| 00:00.11 | directhex_ | StormShaman, yes, it does, but it comes with oss in there by default too, and oss takes precedence |
| 00:00.24 | StormShaman | also, how do i add ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ to my list of places to download stuff from? i want mplayer |
| 00:00.33 | Flimzy | Nighthawk98TJ: I'd check sox... altho it's unlikely to help. |
| 00:00.33 | amorphix | Flimzy: when you say it's much slower performance wise using partial partitions in the array, do you mean in general? are we talking majorly slow? this is my first time building a raid array, I just followed the howto and it read as though you could choose the size of the partitions you want in the array |
| 00:00.38 | directhex_ | StormShaman, also, you want to install alsa-base and alsa-utils packages |
| 00:00.41 | Flimzy | Nighthawk98TJ: (with a proprietary format like that) |
| 00:00.46 | StormShaman | directhex_, i dunno, when i used the config in the /boot/ folder, to compile a new kernel, i didn't see alsa checked |
| 00:00.54 | The_Vulture | StormShaman: what problems exactly? did you modprobe the right modules for your hardware? did you add yourself to the audio group, did you log out and back in again? |
| 00:00.57 | StormShaman | directhex_, why would oss take precedence when it's outdated? |
| 00:01.05 | directhex_ | StormShaman, it just does. |
| 00:01.05 | Nighthawk98TJ | Flimzy, OK, thanks |
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| 00:01.10 | StormShaman | The_Vulture, aren't i in the audio group by default? |
| 00:01.16 | hexagonsun | I need to be able to access my chem homework online, but the mepis (Debian) distro I'm using is having a hard time with my cable modem |
| 00:01.19 | rares000 | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 00:01.19 | rares000 | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 00:01.19 | rares000 | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 00:01.30 | The_Vulture | StormShaman: no.. |
| 00:01.37 | StormShaman | ok |
| 00:01.45 | wazquis | hey, i was concidering setting a adressbook to use on my webmail, evolution and other... what whould be the tool to use? some ldab db? |
| 00:01.46 | The_Vulture | StormShaman: run "groups" and find out |
| 00:01.48 | rares000 | put that in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:01.49 | hexagonsun | pump always fails... it used to work before. even after I power cycle the modem |
| 00:02.01 | Nighthawk98TJ | Flimzy, Apparently mplayer is supposed to do it, but it is returning an error when I try to convert one of these to wav |
| 00:02.15 | StormShaman | actually i'm in audio already, so it is automatic |
| 00:02.17 | hexagonsun | GO DOWNLOAD A FREEPLAY CRACKING PROGRAM |
| 00:02.20 | StormShaman | but alsa doesn't work |
| 00:02.27 | Flimzy | amorphix: Well, in a general sense, every added "layer" slows things down. Altho the slowdown of a partition vs. raw disk will be minimal. The major slow down will occur in seek times, when using the device as both a RAID device and non-RAID device. YOu'll improve performance if you allow the RAID driver to control all I/O to the disk. |
| 00:02.44 | Flimzy | Nighthawk98TJ: can you convert it to some other uncompressed format? |
| 00:02.49 | directhex_ | StormShaman, i fucking said it wouldn't... never mind, i'm sure you knoow exactly what's up |
| 00:02.56 | StormShaman | rares000, where do i put that? |
| 00:03.01 | StormShaman | rares000, oh OK |
| 00:03.28 | The_Vulture | hexagonsun: do stop shouting.. and making such suggestions. |
| 00:03.45 | Nighthawk98TJ | Flimzy, no, it's having an error reading it: mplayer: relocation error: mplayer: undefined symbol: faacDecOpen |
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| 00:04.06 | Flimzy | Nighthawk98TJ: Perhaps you don't have the proper codecs installed |
| 00:04.34 | StormShaman | directhex_, i know oss takes precedence but does that mean i just can't use alsa period? |
| 00:04.38 | Nighthawk98TJ | Flimzy, here's the line that came before: file:/music/Rock/Maroon 5/Song About Jane/Maroon 5 - Harder to Breathe.m4a |
| 00:04.39 | Nighthawk98TJ | file:/music/Rock/Maroon 5/Song About Jane/Maroon 5 - Must Get Out.m4a |
| 00:04.39 | Nighthawk98TJ | file:/music/Rock/Maroon 5/Song About Jane/Maroon 5 - Not Coming Home.m4a |
| 00:04.39 | Nighthawk98TJ | file:/music/Rock/Maroon 5/Song About Jane/Maroon 5 - Secret.m4a |
| 00:04.39 | Nighthawk98TJ | file:/music/Rock/Maroon 5/Song About Jane/Maroon 5 - She Will Be Loved.m4a |
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| 00:04.53 | hexagonsun | http://hymn-project.org/ |
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| 00:04.58 | hexagonsun | http://hymn-project.org/ |
| 00:05.00 | benny_benassi | hey i installed woody from the iso and after i do apt-get upgrade distro to the testing version, i am unable to run kde... does anyone know what i might be doing wrong? |
| 00:05.00 | Nighthawk98TJ | file:/music/Rock/Maroon 5/Song About Jane/Maroon 5 - Through With You.m4a |
| 00:05.02 | Nighthawk98TJ | sorry gents |
| 00:05.04 | Nighthawk98TJ | wrong paste button ;) |
| 00:05.07 | directhex_ | StormShaman, yes. it means you can't use alsa, as long as oss is loaded. you can unload oss and disable it, in which case alsa (with oss compatability) take over |
| 00:05.23 | hexagonsun | Nighthawk, go here. http://hymn-project.org/ |
| 00:05.34 | Nighthawk98TJ | hexagonsun, k, ill check it out, thanks |
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| 00:05.47 | Nighthawk98TJ | hexagonsun, are there debian packages for this software? |
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| 00:05.48 | StormShaman | directhex_, ah |
| 00:05.49 | rares000 | StormShaman, sometimes it thinks the woody ones are more recent than the sarge (they put sarge+version and woody+version instead of version+sarge, etc in the names so it's kinda weird) |
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| 00:06.15 | hexagonsun | yes there are debian packages for cracking Apple Computer's proprietary digital rights protection software. |
| 00:06.20 | StormShaman | rares000, so i could only add the testing line and no others, right? |
| 00:06.35 | StormShaman | i assume that would work |
| 00:06.36 | rares000 | you can add all those |
| 00:06.48 | StormShaman | i could add just one instead, right? |
| 00:06.52 | hexagonsun | it's right next to the package for bearshare and winmx |
| 00:06.52 | rares000 | but if you don't want to mix don't |
| 00:06.55 | directhex_ | hexagonsun, well there are packages for using microsoft's proprietary patent-protected network file sharing protocol... |
| 00:07.22 | hexagonsun | yeah, but that's reverse engineering |
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| 00:07.27 | amorphix | Flimzy: if i didnt mount or use the other partitions I created on the array drives, that wouldnt affect the performance of it? |
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| 00:07.46 | Flimzy | what is Microsoft's proprietary patent-protected network file sharing protocol? |
| 00:07.52 | directhex_ | hexagonsun, and hymn isn;t? |
| 00:07.59 | Flimzy | amorphix: Yes... it would speed it up. |
| 00:08.05 | directhex_ | Flimzy, the SMB protocol, currently called CIFS. |
| 00:08.09 | amorphix | Flimzy: thats what i meant :) |
| 00:08.16 | hexagonsun | it is, but there's that fine legal line of difference between those two |
| 00:08.18 | amorphix | Flimzy: thanks for the info, very helpful |
| 00:08.29 | Flimzy | amorphix: Your best bet, performance-wise, is to boot from a standard drive, then use dedicated devices for the RAID array |
| 00:08.31 | rares000 | INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREE. |
| 00:08.31 | rares000 | You are visitor number 1. |
| 00:08.36 | rares000 | coolies |
| 00:08.43 | rares000 | frist hit |
| 00:08.54 | Flimzy | directhex_: Microsoft didn't invent SMB. Sure, they've "proprietary-ized" it... into CIFS and other bastardized thingies... but SMB itself isn't MS |
| 00:08.57 | hexagonsun | networks are made for being connected to, even if it's in a proprietary manner |
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| 00:09.18 | toresbe | Apropos a fanatic RMS, I'm seing his talk in a few days |
| 00:09.25 | directhex_ | Flimzy, who invented something is irrelevant. it's whoever abuses the US patent office with it first |
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| 00:09.35 | toresbe | I wanna print out the GNU preamble on a Teletype and ask him to sign it |
| 00:09.43 | rares000 | when did obfuscation == competition |
| 00:09.57 | directhex_ | rares000, ever heard of starforce? |
| 00:10.08 | Flimzy | directhex_: I was simply rebutting your "Microsoft proprietary" claim. |
| 00:10.14 | rares000 | starforce? |
| 00:10.19 | hexagonsun | and yes I misspelled subtleties |
| 00:10.27 | directhex_ | a data cd copy protection standard |
| 00:10.31 | Flimzy | directhex_: SMB is no more "Microsoft proprietary" than, say, LDAP, or HTML. |
| 00:10.45 | directhex_ | it uses the most complex virus-like obfustication to make it impossible to analyse with softice or similar |
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| 00:14.49 | Zap-W | as long it works..... |
| 00:14.50 | StormShaman | how do i make my /windows partition available to all users? |
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| 00:15.08 | StormShaman | i tried doing chown iain /windows since iain is my user name |
| 00:15.14 | StormShaman | but it won't allow it |
| 00:15.23 | rares000 | are you root |
| 00:15.24 | rares000 | ? |
| 00:15.32 | StormShaman | i can be root in a console |
| 00:15.32 | rares000 | only root can chown |
| 00:15.37 | StormShaman | i su'd |
| 00:16.02 | StormShaman | # chown iain /windows/ |
| 00:16.02 | StormShaman | chown: changing ownership of `/windows/': Operation not permitted |
| 00:16.07 | rares000 | chown goes owner:group |
| 00:16.16 | StormShaman | or just owner |
| 00:16.18 | StormShaman | or just :group |
| 00:16.21 | rares000 | lsattr |
| 00:16.52 | rares000 | it may have some attributes |
| 00:16.52 | idnar | StormShaman: you need to set the owner with the uid option to mount |
| 00:16.52 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: mount it with umask=000 |
| 00:17.15 | rares000 | also hard to chown while mounted I believe |
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| 00:17.20 | StormShaman | lsattr: Invalid argument While reading flags on ./windows |
| 00:17.32 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hda1 /windows |
| 00:17.46 | StormShaman | first i should unmount, right? |
| 00:17.49 | StormShaman | it's mounted right now |
| 00:17.56 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: sure |
| 00:18.46 | _frank | why wont' squid cache .deb files? :/ |
| 00:18.49 | StormShaman | ok, i did that |
| 00:19.02 | StormShaman | now i need to make all the files that were in it belong to everyone |
| 00:19.06 | StormShaman | how do i do that? |
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| 00:19.18 | StormShaman | i still get lsattr: Invalid argument While reading flags on ./windows |
| 00:19.21 | freemo | in debian where is the wt-documentation path? |
| 00:19.26 | freemo | *qt-documentation |
| 00:19.43 | toresbe | freemo: It's somewhere in /usr/share/doc/, most likely |
| 00:19.51 | freemo | torbjorn, thanks |
| 00:20.15 | freemo | i dont see it there |
| 00:20.33 | valdyn_ | _frank: squid config permits to set max size of files and aswell suffixes ( like .deb ) etc |
| 00:20.44 | _frank | where in the config do i find that |
| 00:20.48 | _frank | i've searched like hell |
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| 00:21.34 | tony | Q: best stress test tools for new hardware? |
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| 00:22.13 | auxw | where can I download a minimal debian CD image to get it installed? Is Lord Sutch's good one? |
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| 00:22.36 | rares000 | ok this is embarassing even speed metal chix write better than speed metal guys |
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| 00:22.50 | valdyn_ | auxw: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 00:23.55 | auxw | valdyn_, thank you |
| 00:24.14 | auxw | so I can reinstall it and then install all the unstable packages I currently have using dpkg --set-selections? |
| 00:24.17 | mindphasr | 1 |
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| 00:26.25 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: you cannot change owner on a vfat fs |
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| 00:27.02 | Rexmulder | X is very slow. I ve seen something like hostname could be the reason but I don t see where configure it ? |
| 00:27.46 | StormShaman | valdyn_, OK |
| 00:28.11 | wazquis | anyone using a ldap for addressbook? |
| 00:28.25 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: you can make everyone access it, with that umask as i told you, vfat however doesn't support the user / group thing |
| 00:28.25 | StormShaman | How do i make it so /windows always mounts with those options? The whole mount -t vfat -o umask=000 /dev/hdb3 /windows |
| 00:28.45 | StormShaman | I want it to always be accessible, after all |
| 00:29.11 | vpb | edit |
| 00:29.21 | vpb | StormShaman, edit /etc/mtab |
| 00:29.28 | StormShaman | mtab? |
| 00:29.30 | vpb | StormShaman, and add that line |
| 00:29.31 | StormShaman | not fstab? |
| 00:29.42 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: an example line in /etc/fstab : /dev/hda5 /mnt/games vfat umask=000 0 0 |
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| 00:29.50 | vpb | StormShaman, mtab |
| 00:29.54 | StormShaman | valdyn_, thanks |
| 00:29.55 | idnar | StormShaman: yes, edit fstab not mtab |
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| 00:30.11 | initech | don't edit mtab |
| 00:30.17 | StormShaman | what? confused |
| 00:30.25 | greycat | No manual entry for mtab |
| 00:30.31 | greycat | Fucking pitiful. |
| 00:30.48 | StormShaman | i have this already in mtab |
| 00:30.50 | StormShaman | /dev/hdb3 /windows vfat rw,umask=000 0 0 |
| 00:30.53 | StormShaman | is that right? |
| 00:30.58 | greycat | DON'T TOUCH MTAB. PRETEND IT DOES NOT EXIST. |
| 00:31.06 | initech | mtab is dynamically created, don't fuck with it |
| 00:31.08 | dan2 | whats a good tutorial for BNF |
| 00:31.11 | rares000 | mtab is run by the os |
| 00:31.16 | initech | BNF? |
| 00:31.17 | StormShaman | OK OK |
| 00:31.38 | StormShaman | anyway, if it has the line /dev/hdb3 /windows vfat rw,umask=000 0 0 it should be usable by all anyway, right? |
| 00:31.46 | sloopy | initech: experience... |
| 00:31.48 | StormShaman | yet it doesn't |
| 00:31.50 | greycat | StormShaman: read /etc/fstab |
| 00:32.13 | StormShaman | in fstab it's |
| 00:32.14 | StormShaman | /dev/hdb3 /windows vfat defaults 0 2 |
| 00:32.15 | tcsetattr | dan2, /usr/doc/doc-rfc/all-included-rfcs/rfc2234.txt.gz ? |
| 00:32.24 | greycat | StormShaman: you're missing the umask=000 in /etc/fstab |
| 00:32.34 | StormShaman | OK |
| 00:32.39 | StormShaman | do i need rw as well? |
| 00:32.43 | rares000 | fstab is for when you mount w/o options |
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| 00:32.48 | greycat | and you probably want "0 0" instead of "0 2" because you won't be fscking it. |
| 00:32.58 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: rw is default in this case |
| 00:33.07 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: so use it or not, doesnt matter |
| 00:33.17 | StormShaman | OK, i'll leave it out |
| 00:33.28 | initech | sloopy: huh? |
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| 00:33.46 | zbowling | someone say my name? |
| 00:33.51 | zbowling | !seen zbowling |
| 00:33.52 | dpkg | zbowling is currently on #debian (4h 43s). Has said a total of 232 messages. Is idling for 1s |
| 00:34.17 | tomb0y | any reason for this.. mount -o loop -t iso9660 test.iso /mnt outputs mount: not a directory. test.iso exists in path im in, and /mnt exists and is a dir |
| 00:34.38 | greycat | tomb0y: try $PWD/test.iso |
| 00:34.56 | tomb0y | greycat: same error |
| 00:35.13 | greycat | tomb0y: you're sure you're running that on a debian system? |
| 00:35.43 | greycat | anything else mounted on /mnt? autofs taking it over? |
| 00:35.44 | tcsetattr | tomb0y, strace it |
| 00:35.49 | tomb0y | greycat: Linux version 2.4.25 (root@tkv) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) |
| 00:36.02 | freemo | are there any java IDE's i can get thru apt-get... i dont see any |
| 00:36.12 | zbowling | i always drop the iso9660 because its default :-) |
| 00:36.14 | tomb0y | and /mnt is not mounted |
| 00:36.27 | valdyn_ | freemo: eclipse is one |
| 00:36.37 | asg | freemo: eclipse (though you are better off stuffing it in /usr/local based on a download from their site) |
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| 00:36.56 | initech | how come even though i build my kernel as a user, the version still shows root@host? |
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| 00:37.03 | freemo | i did an apt-cache search for eclipse and it didnt seem to come up with anything relevent |
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| 00:37.15 | freemo | just widget toolkits |
| 00:37.18 | asg | freemo: using woody? |
| 00:37.37 | freemo | asg, no sarge netinst |
| 00:38.14 | asg | freemo: it's in contrib |
| 00:38.14 | Randy | stdio.h and math.h cant be found ? how do I find these? |
| 00:38.14 | greycat | !b-e Randy |
| 00:38.14 | asg | freemo: you probably only have main |
| 00:38.14 | dpkg | Randy: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 00:38.14 | jvn | i've installed udev, and booted, but i still have a bunch of device nodes, how do i fix this? |
| 00:38.14 | freemo | asg, what do youmean by that? |
| 00:38.14 | tomb0y | tcsetattr: it hangs at "ioctl(4, 0x4c00" |
| 00:38.38 | StormShaman | !mplayer |
| 00:38.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ , or for debian packages, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/, or the url for debian packages moved to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/; as for why mplayer isn't in debian, ask me about <mplayer license> |
| 00:38.40 | asg | freemo: sarge only comes with 'main' in /etc/apt/sources (you have to put contrib or non-free in if you want) |
| 00:38.45 | valdyn_ | jvn: thank god that you have device nodes, why do u want none? |
| 00:39.04 | greycat | valdyn_: he must be terribly bored, having an OS that works. |
| 00:39.12 | jvn | valdyn_: i mean excess of device nodes, i thought udev only display ones present on the system |
| 00:39.22 | freemo | asg, where do i put that..? after "testing main" ? |
| 00:39.28 | StormShaman | debian-marillat seems to have a bunch of dependency issues, that is, the dependencies don't exist (for example there is no `libarts' package) so i guess i should just get it from mplayerhq.hu? |
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| 00:39.44 | valdyn_ | jvn: to many pty? or what? |
| 00:39.48 | beowu1f | !debian: where does the shell PATH get set if there isn't a .bash_profile? |
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| 00:40.03 | asg | freemo: after the 'main' bit |
| 00:40.09 | asg | freemo: separted by spaces |
| 00:40.20 | greycat | !beowu1f: /etc/environment /etc/profile ~/.profile ~/.bashrc /bin/login PAM compiled-in defaults etc. etc. etc. etc. |
| 00:40.21 | asg | freemo: you'll still need to grab a compilant jdk though |
| 00:40.24 | jvn | valdyn_: too many pty, hd, the whole junk before udev |
| 00:40.30 | asg | freemo: /msg dpkg java (for that) |
| 00:40.40 | freemo | asg, thanks |
| 00:40.47 | greycat | jvn: and you care because...? |
| 00:40.48 | StormShaman | dang, it's only availabe as source at mplayerhq.hu |
| 00:40.53 | rares000 | StormShaman you may have to use aptitude to check the versions |
| 00:40.59 | Stormfrog | I am trying to mount a device but I get an error message "device is busy"... I dont know what is wrong? I would appricate some help since Ive never done this before... |
| 00:41.02 | StormShaman | rares000, i was using aptitude |
| 00:41.10 | StormShaman | rares000, there is no `libarts' package |
| 00:41.12 | rares000 | Stormfrog, it's there if you add unstable |
| 00:41.14 | StormShaman | only libarts1 |
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| 00:41.25 | StormShaman | oh, well i'm running sarge |
| 00:41.35 | Stormfrog | rares000: add unstable? |
| 00:41.38 | jvn | greycat: only for completeness sake for installing udev and having it solve what its suppose to |
| 00:41.55 | rares000 | er StormShaman |
| 00:41.56 | greycat | "solve"? |
| 00:41.58 | Stormfrog | rares000: oh... wrong nick I suppose |
| 00:42.03 | rares000 | yup |
| 00:42.10 | callie | ive had debian 2 days and already i love it! |
| 00:42.13 | rares000 | soire |
| 00:42.27 | initech | jvn: not all that familiar with udev yet, but were the /dev files already there? |
| 00:42.33 | freemo | asg, i added contrib and non-free and its still giving me the same problem |
| 00:42.39 | zbowling | why is /list not working on freenode today? |
| 00:42.43 | asg | freemo: apt-get update |
| 00:42.47 | StormShaman | what's bobbit? |
| 00:42.50 | asg | !bobbitt |
| 00:42.50 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 00:42.54 | freemo | asg, ok |
| 00:42.55 | jvn | initech: they were there before, that might have been the problem, i'm not sure |
| 00:43.07 | callie | bobbitt? |
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| 00:43.15 | jvn | initech: i thought installing udev would wipe it clean |
| 00:43.15 | freemo | asg, didnt change anything |
| 00:43.15 | rares000 | except I've had things pretty much working |
| 00:43.18 | initech | jvn: well i doubt seriously that udev would delete them |
| 00:43.19 | StormShaman | who? |
| 00:43.31 | greycat | !fgi |
| 00:43.31 | dpkg | hmm... fgi is http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 00:43.40 | StormShaman | yeah yeah |
| 00:43.41 | callie | whats a bobbitt? |
| 00:43.42 | asg | !info eclipse sarge |
| 00:43.45 | vpb | anybody know where can I find the link for kde 3.3 for debian |
| 00:43.46 | asg | callie: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 00:43.47 | StormShaman | callie, |
| 00:43.50 | StormShaman | !bobbit |
| 00:43.51 | StormShaman | !bobbitt |
| 00:43.52 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 00:44.01 | vpb | bc I want to add it on /etc/apt/sources.list and upgrade my kde |
| 00:44.10 | jvn | initech: i was thinking as much, i just wanted to get rid of unnecessary dev nodes |
| 00:44.11 | initech | will the bot twiddlers please get a private room? |
| 00:44.20 | StormShaman | the idea i get is that it's bad to install software from a less stable distro |
| 00:44.26 | initech | jvn: probably that's it |
| 00:44.48 | greycat | StormShaman: the more general formulation is that it's bad to mix versions of debian, and the farther apart those versions are, the worse the problems will be |
| 00:44.53 | callie | ok well i have sarge too |
| 00:44.55 | freemo | asg, ? |
| 00:44.58 | StormShaman | OK |
| 00:45.00 | stew | StormShaman: its bad to mix the distros, esp woody with sarge/sid since they use different libc |
| 00:45.05 | Stormfrog | Anyone have a strategy for how I am going to go about with this. I have a new disk which I want to mount as /it. However there is already a folder like that located on the same filesystem/device as "/"... there are also two devices mounted as subdirectories inside /it. I want to mount the new disk as /it and then move everything which was in that folder before to the new one... :P |
| 00:45.07 | StormShaman | well i'll stick with sarge |
| 00:45.12 | freemo | asg, it didnt say anything about sclipse.. or am i not seeing something |
| 00:45.21 | initech | StormShaman: mixing branches causes entropy creep :) |
| 00:45.23 | valdyn_ | jvn: im not sure if using devfs might not just overwrite your udev - /dev, do you have devfs enabled too? |
| 00:45.32 | vpb | anybody know where can I find the link for kde 3.3 for debian |
| 00:45.34 | StormShaman | Stormfrog, try this |
| 00:45.34 | asg | freemo: does 'apt-cache search elipse' provide any illumination |
| 00:45.39 | StormShaman | mv /it /it2 |
| 00:45.58 | freemo | asg, not one bit |
| 00:46.05 | freemo | asg, didnt return a single thing |
| 00:46.08 | asg | freemo: no eclipse-platform? |
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| 00:46.29 | Randy | I tried to put two, 1 GIG ddr DIMM's in my ECS board... why does meminfo rip me off on RAM by 1 GIG ? is there something about my 2.4.25 kernel that doesn't support this ? |
| 00:46.37 | freemo | asg nope |
| 00:46.47 | jvn | valdyn_: no, i don't have devfs enabled |
| 00:46.49 | vpb | anybody know where can I find the link for kde 3.3 for debian |
| 00:46.59 | asg | freemo: hmmm, then it might not have made it into sarge. Just download it from eclipse.org and stuff it in /usr/local (much better that way) |
| 00:47.00 | StormShaman | Randy, 1G DDR DIMMs, as opposed to 1G DDR SIMMs? lol. |
| 00:47.15 | initech | Randy: possibly, 32 bit systems don't do more than 1GB without weird hacks |
| 00:47.16 | freemo | asg alrighty |
| 00:47.23 | freemo | asg, thanks for your help |
| 00:47.23 | Randy | two 1 GIG DIMMs.. what could be wrong ? |
| 00:47.26 | Randy | berr |
| 00:47.32 | asg | freemo: you're welcome, sorry it didn't work out |
| 00:47.34 | rares000 | Randy the kernel needs 4 GB support enabled |
| 00:47.38 | tcsetattr | Randy, you need to compile a kernel with HIGHMEM support |
| 00:47.43 | StormShaman | Randy, oh course they are DIMMs |
| 00:47.48 | StormShaman | They are 1G, after all |
| 00:47.56 | asg | Randy: is this a debian 2.4 kernel? |
| 00:47.58 | jvn | valdyn_: you think i can erase /dev, and then reboot and udev will repopulate /dev again? |
| 00:48.03 | freemo | asg, no big deal.. debians apt-get has done me too much good to complain about it not having one program |
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| 00:48.05 | Randy | ash: yes it is 2.4.25 |
| 00:48.17 | Randy | rares: how do I enable 4 GB support ? |
| 00:48.20 | initech | jvn: hah! good luck! |
| 00:48.20 | asg | Randy: then see tcsetattr's advice |
| 00:48.24 | greycat | jvn: I would *strongly* recommend that you mv it instead of "rm *"ing it. |
| 00:48.39 | Randy | whos tcsetattr |
| 00:48.42 | initech | Randy: recompile the kernel, or look for a debian kernel image with highmem |
| 00:48.43 | greycat | jvn: actually, I'd *most* strongly recommend that you leave it alone |
| 00:48.44 | StormShaman | rm * would take too long, i would recommend rm -r * |
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| 00:48.48 | Randy | OH |
| 00:48.52 | Randy | I see that now.... |
| 00:49.14 | asg | Randy: 20:47 < tcsetattr> Randy, you need to compile a kernel with HIGHMEM support |
| 00:49.14 | valdyn_ | jvn: which kernel are you using? what does /etc/init.d/udev stop ; /etc/init.d/udev start say |
| 00:49.14 | tomb0y | hmm ok.. now this mount got locked up on my box.. cant killall it, cant kill -KILL it :/. |
| 00:49.19 | Stormfrog | StormShaman: Ive done that.., the I dismounted the devices mounted as /it/scratch and /it/mp3. The I tried to mount them againt in /it2 ... but I cant and I get an error saying "mount: /dev/sda1 already mounted or /it2/scratch busy" - but /dev/sda1 is dismounted (doesnt show up when I type "mount"... however I can still view the files in that mountpoint with ls which seems odd if it is dismounted). |
| 00:49.19 | Randy | how do I compile kernel with HIGHMEM support ? |
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| 00:49.43 | asg | Randy: download the source, configure it, compile it, install it (/msg dpkg kp) |
| 00:49.53 | greycat | step 2's the killer. |
| 00:49.54 | initech | Randy: just make a 1Gb swap out of a ramdisk instead :) |
| 00:49.56 | valdyn_ | jvn: erasing /dev wont help, but can make your system unusuable |
| 00:49.56 | tcsetattr | unless you can find a .deb with highmem enabled |
| 00:50.02 | StormShaman | Stormfrog, I'm sorry, I don't know. What does it stand for anyway? |
| 00:50.22 | jvn | valdyn_: weird, it says it can't find "/etc/udev/udev.conf" but udevd did get started |
| 00:50.27 | initech | jvn: you know how much space all those files are taking up in /dev? what like 5KB? |
| 00:50.41 | Randy | asg: do I need to recompile the kernel or just isntall HIGHMEM ? |
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| 00:51.05 | jvn | initech: its not really a space issue or anything like that, just a cosmetic issue, i guess its not really worth it |
| 00:51.09 | rares000 | the patches are source look por the higmem image in aptitude |
| 00:51.13 | initech | Randy: you need to recompile. |
| 00:51.21 | initech | jvn: right |
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| 00:51.30 | Stormfrog | StormShaman: "it"? It's just a name for the folder with my ftp/samba contents :) |
| 00:51.38 | StormShaman | Stormfrog, OK |
| 00:52.10 | Randy | Can I just upgrade my kernel version ? |
| 00:52.11 | tomb0y | how do i change this "hi mount 2.11n-7" to be ii instead on a dpkg ? |
| 00:52.12 | rares000 | image not source/patch if that is available otherwise source |
| 00:52.16 | StormShaman | when i'm compiling things, like mplayer, where should i put the tar.bz2? in /? |
| 00:52.27 | rares000 | Randy no this is an option not an upgrade |
| 00:52.31 | initech | Stormfrog: /usr/local/src |
| 00:52.48 | greycat | StormShaman: or $HOME or /usr/src or /var/tmp or wherever you want, really, EXCEPT / |
| 00:52.49 | StormShaman | initech, thanks |
| 00:52.49 | nevyn | StormShaman: ~/downloads ? |
| 00:53.18 | Randy | can I just upgrade my kernel to 2.6 and have it see my 2 GIG's of RAM |
| 00:53.22 | StormShaman | also, can i compile things like mplayer as my user, or must i be root? |
| 00:53.33 | nevyn | StormShaman: you can compile it as a user. |
| 00:53.34 | greycat | StormShaman: compiling as yourself is recommended |
| 00:53.34 | Superfrog | annoing with identical nicks |
| 00:53.39 | StormShaman | Randy, it's not an issue of upgrading |
| 00:53.40 | initech | Randy: not unless you have a 64 bit CPU |
| 00:53.41 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: doesnt matter - do it as a user but /msg dpkg marillat, |
| 00:53.56 | greycat | compiling mplayer is an adventure. |
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| 00:53.59 | nevyn | install it as root but have a look at checkinstall which makes deb packages from the make install target |
| 00:54.00 | StormShaman | valdyn_, didn't work |
| 00:54.01 | gomer | re |
| 00:54.10 | valdyn_ | !marillat |
| 00:54.10 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main". |
| 00:54.11 | StormShaman | greycat, shit, that sucks |
| 00:54.25 | greycat | it's a learning experience though... |
| 00:54.25 | StormShaman | nevyn, you talking to me? |
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| 00:54.30 | nevyn | StormShaman: yeah |
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| 00:54.38 | StormShaman | valdyn_, i just said marrilat didn't work |
| 00:54.43 | greycat | !didn't work |
| 00:54.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:54.45 | StormShaman | nevyn, why root? |
| 00:54.49 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: see above, i did it for you |
| 00:55.06 | tomb0y | as in how do i reverse this "echo mount hold | dpkg --set-selections" ? so its not on hold anymore |
| 00:55.06 | StormShaman | valdyn_, no i'm saying i did it and it didn't work |
| 00:55.14 | thh | Hi, is this the right channel for kernel-compile problems, or should I go somewhere else? |
| 00:55.42 | Seb | thh: #kernel-newbies |
| 00:55.46 | vpb | anybody know where can I find the link for kde 3.3 for debian |
| 00:55.52 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: marillat works fine, you might have mistyped |
| 00:55.54 | nevyn | StormShaman: you need to be root to install it. but compile it as yourself |
| 00:55.54 | Randy | if I install a SMP image kernel will it notice my 2 GIG's of RAM ? |
| 00:56.06 | nevyn | vpb: sid? |
| 00:56.11 | initech | tomb0y: dpkg --get-selections > file ; edit ; dpkg --set-selections < file |
| 00:56.17 | rares000 | Randy no |
| 00:56.18 | StormShaman | valdyn_, no i didn't mistype, but the person had me paste three lines, one for stable, one for testing, one for unstable |
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| 00:56.30 | DMJC | how many packages has debian got? |
| 00:56.35 | Randy | rares000: why is it such a bitch to use 2 GIG's of RAM ? |
| 00:56.37 | thh | ok, I'll try that tnx |
| 00:56.41 | StormShaman | DMJC, www.debian.org says how many |
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| 00:56.46 | rares000 | Randy it's not |
| 00:56.48 | initech | Randy: because you have a 32bit CPU |
| 00:57.10 | rares000 | it's just that it slows the system and most people don't have it |
| 00:57.14 | Randy | rares: how do I recompile with HIGHMEM support? |
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| 00:57.18 | vpb | nevyn, I have an unstable version of debian |
| 00:57.30 | greycat | Randy: same way you compile with LOWMEM support but you change one parameter. |
| 00:57.41 | valdyn_ | StormShaman: why all 3? you need one according to which debian release you have running |
| 00:57.48 | rares000 | google Kernel Compile HowTo |
| 00:58.11 | Randy | rares: wouldn't it be easier for me if you just explained to me how? |
| 00:58.16 | greycat | Randy: no. |
| 00:58.39 | directhex | it says somethign about IE that my HTML 4.01 compliant page looks better in links2 or dillo than IE |
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| 00:58.47 | rares000 | it involves booting configuring and compiling topics |
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| 00:58.59 | StormShaman | valdyn_, they told me to have all three. with only the relevant one, it's now working, so thanks |
| 00:59.09 | greycat | configuring a kernel will take you at least an hour the first time. We will NOT hand-hold you through EVERY FUCKING QUESTION either. |
| 00:59.22 | initech | Randy: no one want to lead someone through compiling a kernel and all its attendant crap on irc |
| 00:59.29 | greycat | when you realize the utter stupidity of the Linux developers for forcing this situation upon the world, you may join me in ranting about Linux. |
| 00:59.33 | StormShaman | directhex, funny, dillo is a very uncapable browser |
| 00:59.47 | directhex | StormShaman, compared to IE? |
| 00:59.59 | StormShaman | directhex, compared to anything |
| 01:00.03 | StormShaman | directhex, almost |
| 01:00.06 | rares000 | dillo is not even comparable to lynx |
| 01:00.09 | greycat | dillo has major issues. |
| 01:00.15 | StormShaman | directhex, sure, it's not buggy (seeming) but it sucks anyway |
| 01:00.23 | directhex | StormShaman, it can correctly disaplay PNGs, and it can assign arbitrary height to a table row. more than IE does |
| 01:00.29 | rares000 | no context menu for one |
| 01:00.30 | greycat | StormShaman: unless you count "opening 720 separate TCP connections at once" as a bug. |
| 01:00.40 | StormShaman | directhex, it also does less than IE in other areas |
| 01:00.57 | directhex | StormShaman, perhaps, but in this specific (compliant) area, it blows goats |
| 01:01.12 | StormShaman | which one does? |
| 01:01.24 | directhex | StormShaman, IE |
| 01:01.34 | StormShaman | k |
| 01:01.37 | StormShaman | but why use dillo? |
| 01:01.45 | StormShaman | it has so many shortcomings |
| 01:01.45 | initech | IE blows goat shit in almost every possible area |
| 01:01.47 | directhex | StormShaman, for curiosity |
| 01:01.50 | StormShaman | oh OK |
| 01:02.00 | StormShaman | initech, hear hear |
| 01:02.14 | rares000 | because it's got a good development philosophy |
| 01:02.19 | directhex | looks a little better in dillo than links2 -g |
| 01:02.54 | StormShaman | links2 -g is weird, it seems to use graphics for fonts, so you can't copy/paste to/from it |
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| 01:03.21 | StormShaman | well, i have to go watch some anime now, since i have mplayer working. see you. |
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| 01:03.26 | tct | IE is still very usefull for sites that use active-x controlls and other microsoft stuff |
| 01:03.57 | initech | tct: fortunately those sites are less than useless |
| 01:04.04 | Faranhor | can anybody lend me a hand with a Kernel panic? it says: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unkown_block(0,0). my root partition has an ext3 filesystem |
| 01:04.05 | asg | tct: such sites ought to be banned |
| 01:04.20 | Faranhor | msg me |
| 01:04.40 | citral | Faranhor, you missed initrd when upgrading to 2.6, don't you ? |
| 01:04.41 | vpb | can anybody tell me how can I upgrade my kde 3.1 to 3.3 in debian |
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| 01:05.04 | initech | citral: initrd doesn't work with 2.6? |
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| 01:05.47 | citral | initech, it works with 2.6, I mean he probaly forgot tu put the entry in lilo or grub or yaboot or :) |
| 01:05.49 | Faranhor | citral, ehm, i'm runnin' on sarge, and i've started installation with kernel 2.6.7 |
| 01:06.00 | citral | hem |
| 01:06.10 | citral | Faranhor, you have a boot cd then ? |
| 01:06.17 | Faranhor | yep |
| 01:06.23 | Randy | will the SMP kernel image show my 2 GIGs of RAM ? |
| 01:06.29 | rares000 | no |
| 01:06.36 | initech | citral: brain fart ... i was having problems with it yesterday |
| 01:06.43 | initech | Randy: NO! |
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| 01:07.05 | initech | Randy: take one gig of ram and give it to a homeless person |
| 01:07.09 | tct | ms gaming zone, hotmail(mabe?) :/ |
| 01:07.11 | rares000 | ok $10 bucks and I'll build it for you but I'll need some files |
| 01:07.13 | Faranhor | citral, any idea? |
| 01:07.22 | tct | need IE for those sites |
| 01:07.32 | citral | Faranhor, then open a shell and put initrd=/initrd.img under image=/vmlinuz |
| 01:07.32 | Randy | shouldn't the largest kernel let me use 2 gig's or RAM? |
| 01:07.39 | rares000 | no |
| 01:07.44 | Randy | thats not right |
| 01:07.45 | initech | tct: i never go to those, so it isn't an issue |
| 01:07.49 | greycat | Randy: no, only the *right* kernel. |
| 01:07.52 | initech | ms gaming zone? |
| 01:07.56 | greycat | size isn't the criterion here |
| 01:08.04 | rares000 | Randy big has nothing to with it |
| 01:08.05 | Faranhor | citral, ok |
| 01:08.14 | vpb | can anybody tell me how can I upgrade my kde 3.1 to 3.3 in debian |
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| 01:08.14 | vpb | can anybody tell me how can I upgrade my kde 3.1 to 3.3 in debian |
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| 01:08.39 | citral | Faranhor, you know, you can mount the primary partition with the installer and open a shell without re-installing anything. |
| 01:08.40 | rares000 | 32-bit cpus are ancient but 64bit only hit the desktop scene recently |
| 01:08.44 | initech | greycat: damn that was harsh huh |
| 01:08.49 | greycat | initech: I didn't ban him |
| 01:09.03 | tct | ms gaming zone: I still play age of empires there |
| 01:09.25 | initech | computer games are an unbelievable waste of time |
| 01:09.33 | initech | like irc |
| 01:09.49 | zignig | initech: heh, at least irc can be constructive |
| 01:09.52 | citral | makes impotent |
| 01:09.52 | rares000 | games waste no more time than talking about games wasting time |
| 01:09.59 | zignig | @lart initech |
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| 01:10.42 | initech | just kidding |
| 01:10.46 | Faranhor | citral, oh, that's not the point, i've allready installed the system, and i tryed to update the kernel t 2.6.8.1, but there's no way to boot with it after installing the new kernel image |
| 01:10.58 | zignig | initech: that must be a long pipe to reach .au ;P |
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| 01:11.03 | citral | Faranhor, /lastlog citral |
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| 01:11.19 | xeon | Can anyone tell me what number they pass as vga to lilo to get 1600x1200 atr 16M colors? |
| 01:11.27 | tipx | sup.. whats the name of the packet for the modules u need when turning to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:11.32 | initech | zignig: you know it. and if you don't watch i'll stab you wit a brick |
| 01:11.37 | xeon | 795 only does 1280x1024 |
| 01:11.44 | xeon | 799 doesn't seem to work |
| 01:11.45 | greycat | tipx: module-init-tools just like it said in the Changes file |
| 01:11.46 | Faranhor | citral, what's that for? |
| 01:11.49 | DrBlink | i finally got samba to work - i can see files from xp to debian and vice-versa |
| 01:11.52 | Randy | what is wajig ? |
| 01:11.53 | tipx | greycat: thx dude.. |
| 01:11.57 | vpb | can anybody tell me how can I upgrade my kde 3.1 to 3.3 in debian |
| 01:12.03 | greycat | vpb: #debian-kde can. |
| 01:12.07 | zignig | initech: oh yeah ? :) |
| 01:12.24 | initech | yeah! |
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| 01:12.35 | citral | Faranhor, to read what I said and didn't want to repeat but I will repeat it you can boot from the cd mount the partition open a shell and edit /etc/lilo.conf |
| 01:12.40 | rares000 | well I guess $10 bucks for the use of that extra 1M is too much... |
| 01:12.42 | vpb | greycat, thx |
| 01:12.52 | zignig | I recently got a firewire card, it works ( ie modules are loaded ) |
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| 01:12.59 | tipx | hmms no module-init-tools in woody? |
| 01:13.13 | DrBlink | greycat: wats the next thing i need to learn in the process of making a site that lets you get http direct downloads from my linux box while sharing files from my xp box? |
| 01:13.15 | zignig | but I can't seem to get a firewire dvd burner going , any ideas anybody ? |
| 01:13.16 | Faranhor | citral, but i use grub |
| 01:13.21 | DrBlink | i finished setting up samba |
| 01:13.24 | citral | !moron Faranhor |
| 01:13.25 | dpkg | Faranhor: You are moron #34 |
| 01:13.35 | citral | Faranhor, /etc/grub.conf |
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| 01:14.09 | maher | zignig: what doesn't work |
| 01:14.19 | greycat | DrBlink: "/join #samba" or "/join #apache", I'd imagine. |
| 01:14.21 | Faranhor | citral, you mean /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:14.34 | DrBlink | k |
| 01:14.42 | zignig | maher: I can work out what software to use for the firewire device |
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| 01:15.05 | maher | zignig: i use k3b |
| 01:15.21 | jharrison | tipx: why would there be module-init-tools in woody? |
| 01:15.23 | citral | greycat, my mail system works fine with postfix and procmail but I still can't access http://wooledge.org. There must be a dns failure somewhere :/ |
| 01:15.28 | jharrison | tipx: do you see any 2.6 kernels in woody? |
| 01:15.48 | greycat | citral: you said you were able to ping it but not open an HTTP connection (yesterday, I think). |
| 01:15.49 | zignig | maher: will try, apt-getting now :) |
| 01:15.52 | tipx | of course your right |
| 01:15.56 | citral | greycat, yep |
| 01:15.57 | greycat | citral: is that still the case? |
| 01:15.59 | maher | zignig: what version of debian |
| 01:16.03 | vpb | does anybody here has a source.list with KDE 3.3 sources? |
| 01:16.03 | citral | yep |
| 01:16.10 | zignig | maher: testing |
| 01:16.13 | valdyn_ | citral: youre using kernel 2.6.8 i guess? |
| 01:16.13 | greycat | citral: then it's not a DNS failure, if ping is able to resolve the hostname |
| 01:16.16 | tipx | been a while for me :) been away in ireland for a year and no internet at all |
| 01:16.17 | maher | vpb: what version of debian are you using |
| 01:16.26 | citral | greycat, mmm right |
| 01:16.28 | maher | zignig: there is a bug in k3b on testing atm |
| 01:16.30 | vpb | maher, I'm using libranet 2.8.1 |
| 01:16.36 | citral | valdyn_, yes why ? |
| 01:16.45 | maher | vpb: you seem not to be using debian |
| 01:16.50 | zignig | maher: ah , I'll look at what it uses 'underneath' |
| 01:16.51 | greycat | citral: perhaps your HTTP proxy is broken |
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| 01:17.05 | zignig | maher: cdrao by the looks. |
| 01:17.07 | maher | zignig: dvd+rw-tools |
| 01:17.12 | xeon | Can anyone tell me what number they pass as vga to lilo to get 1600x1200/16M colors? 799 isn't working for me. |
| 01:17.12 | vpb | maher, libranet is a debian |
| 01:17.16 | jharrison | tipx: you could upgrade to sarge |
| 01:17.18 | citral | I don't have any squid or squad |
| 01:17.21 | valdyn_ | citral: they fixed a quite common network bug, which is in quite a few routers / hosts, so there will be sites that you cannot access |
| 01:17.23 | maher | vpb: no |
| 01:17.27 | maher | zignig: that still owrks |
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| 01:17.28 | zignig | maher: ok :) thanks |
| 01:17.28 | jharrison | tipx: then you would have module-init-tools and 2.6 kernels available |
| 01:17.30 | vpb | maher, do u have any source.list with KDE 3.3 source |
| 01:17.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@213.149.98.19] by greycat |
| 01:17.42 | *** kick/#debian [vpb!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (I should've made it a kick-BAN the first time.) |
| 01:17.45 | greycat | That was my mistake. |
| 01:17.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 01:17.50 | tipx | jharrison: yepp will do so think it might be best |
| 01:17.53 | freemo | im having trouble getting my cvs server running.. iwhen i connect to it with a client it says "cvs login: authorization failed: server router.syncleus.com rejected access to /usr/local/cvs/ for user cvs" |
| 01:18.02 | citral | valdyn_, it's a joke I hope |
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| 01:18.10 | kruzi | hmm |
| 01:18.10 | asg | freemo: did you 'cvs login' first? |
| 01:18.18 | valdyn_ | citral: nope |
| 01:18.35 | freemo | asg, well im using a gui client.. but since it asked for a password i would say so |
| 01:18.45 | kaka | how do you check if HT is working properly? |
| 01:18.57 | kaka | where does it say there are two CPUs working? |
| 01:19.04 | asg | freemo: then don't use pserver, use ssh (and any gui client worth its salt should handle it just fine) |
| 01:19.04 | valdyn_ | citral: im not saying youre hit by that bug in this case, but it does exist |
| 01:19.07 | greycat | Hyped Threading isn't 2 CPUs. |
| 01:19.13 | tipx | kaka: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:19.15 | asg | kaka: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:19.17 | kaka | two logical CPU? |
| 01:19.33 | citral | valdyn_, I'm disappointed with 2.6 sice the begining, I think I will re-compile a benh 2.4 for the ibook, but with 366 Mhz it's a lot of time, and alsa drivers must be recompiled too. |
| 01:19.37 | freemo | asg, what would i set CVSROOT to if i use ssh? |
| 01:20.08 | asg | freemo: CVSROOT=:ext:me@server:/repo/dir |
| 01:20.16 | asg | freemo: use CVS_RSH=ssh |
| 01:21.01 | jharrison | asg: hey |
| 01:21.04 | jharrison | asg: its friday |
| 01:21.09 | jharrison | !beer asg |
| 01:21.16 | asg | jharrison: evening, how are things down in the tropics? |
| 01:21.21 | jharrison | asg: pretty good |
| 01:21.25 | citral | it's already saturday here |
| 01:21.29 | asg | jharrison: glad to hear it |
| 01:21.45 | jharrison | asg: ivan looks like its going to pass us by and I may have real guinness soon |
| 01:21.51 | jharrison | asg: going to a cuban bar tonight |
| 01:21.56 | freemo | asg, was i suppose to replace ext with ssh or something? |
| 01:22.06 | jharrison | they have cuban cigars too |
| 01:22.07 | jharrison | mmmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:22.27 | valdyn_ | citral: http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/ if u care |
| 01:22.32 | asg | jharrison: cool, have fun and have one for me :) |
| 01:22.39 | jharrison | asg: definately |
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| 01:22.46 | asg | freemo: no, 'ext' should not be changed |
| 01:22.52 | dan2 | asg: hiya |
| 01:22.52 | jharrison | wish some of you guys were going to be there |
| 01:22.55 | asg | freemo: CVS_RSH=ssh indicates that ssh is to be used |
| 01:22.56 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:22.57 | asg | dan2: evening |
| 01:23.06 | asg | jharrison: yeah, that would be nice |
| 01:23.06 | freemo | asg, hmm .. ok |
| 01:23.12 | jharrison | asg: how are things where you are? |
| 01:23.15 | citral | valdyn_, I care, but it's "you" :) |
| 01:23.35 | asg | jharrison: pretty good, drying out after 6" of rain from the last one (prepping for the next one) |
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| 01:23.50 | citral | !abrotman |
| 01:23.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | damn right |
| 01:24.00 | citral | yeah |
| 01:24.00 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 01:24.00 | dpkg | from memory, useless factoids is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 01:24.04 | asg | jharrison: not a lot of rain in retrospect but more than was expected |
| 01:24.12 | deadcat | elinks or links better? |
| 01:24.19 | citral | elinks ! |
| 01:24.29 | deadcat | k |
| 01:24.31 | npx | god dammit |
| 01:24.34 | npx | all my friends are at "work" |
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| 01:24.44 | greycat | "suddenly people running current kernels are finding that they cannot talk to a number of systems out there. One of the higher-profile affected sites is packages.gentoo.org. Gentoo users are, unsurprisingly, not pleased." hahahaha |
| 01:24.44 | npx | damn them, and their "jobs" and "personal responsibilities" and "educations" |
| 01:24.55 | asg | greycat: :) |
| 01:25.02 | npx | hahahah that's good |
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| 01:25.14 | deadcat | greycat: whys taht? (= |
| 01:25.25 | npx | TCP/IP stack corruptionz0r? |
| 01:25.41 | deadcat | hehehe |
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| 01:25.46 | KrOnOs | how can i make a script that executes 3 commands ? |
| 01:25.50 | jharrison | asg: you in VA? |
| 01:25.51 | npx | #!/bin/bash |
| 01:25.55 | npx | command; command; command |
| 01:26.00 | greycat | valdyn_: thanks for the URL |
| 01:26.06 | deadcat | KrOnOs: a && b && c |
| 01:26.07 | npx | lurning eez fawn 4 me nd u |
| 01:26.26 | npx | && means if a returns true then exec b, right? |
| 01:26.33 | greycat | dpkg, window scaling is http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/ -> if you're having problems connecting to some sites with Linux kernels later than 2.6.7, read this. |
| 01:26.33 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 01:26.56 | TheBlueWizard | greycat: was it cuz Gentoo is getting "too adventurous" with kernel? |
| 01:27.04 | greycat | TheBlueWizard: read the article. |
| 01:27.18 | TheBlueWizard | where is that? |
| 01:27.19 | npx | TheBlueWizard: keep asking stupid questions till you get the gist of the article |
| 01:27.21 | abrotman | greycat: is that only www ? |
| 01:27.34 | greycat | abrotman: it's only TCP. |
| 01:27.34 | valdyn_ | TheBlueWizard: its b/c they're using a buggy router / server and linus doesnt care |
| 01:27.38 | npx | TheBlueWizard: That's what being a linux user is *ALL ABOUT* |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | greycat: oddly .. a friend just told me his irc doesn't work to certain sites |
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| 01:28.32 | Robinson | Can anyone help me out? I installed debian using the new installer, and i cannot "./configure" anything. I get the error, "C Compiler cannot create executables". |
| 01:28.37 | greycat | !b-e |
| 01:28.37 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 01:28.39 | abrotman | greycat: but his www and ssh do |
| 01:28.50 | TheBlueWizard | npx: hey, I just got to read the messages flying around on #debian, and that quote just caught my attention. os all |
| 01:28.54 | npx | Robinson: *nod* checking config.log is always a good idea too |
| 01:29.01 | greycat | abrotman: that sounds more like a firewall to me, unless it's "IRC to hostA and WWW to hostB" |
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| 01:29.13 | Robinson | npx: Yes, i have, it just says the error that i see. |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | greycat: nope .. he can get to other sites via irc .. and irc to the host from other hosts |
| 01:29.31 | ZackB | is their a list of debain commands that show what they do? |
| 01:29.35 | npx | Robinson: build-essential, then =) |
| 01:29.43 | Robinson | npx: dpkg just said what to do though, i'm going to try that |
| 01:29.44 | greycat | ZackB: man man |
| 01:29.46 | Robinson | npx: =P, yeah. |
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| 01:30.23 | citral | greycat, valdyn_ rock. The solution in the article maid me enter in your site |
| 01:30.34 | greycat | citral: ugh. ok. |
| 01:30.46 | valdyn_ | citral: my site? |
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| 01:31.06 | citral | valdyn_, no greycat's. |
| 01:31.16 | JOS654 | hi anyone can give me a page with a list of hardware linux compatible (searching for a pci wifi card) |
| 01:31.17 | valdyn_ | I see |
| 01:31.26 | TheBlueWizard | valdyn_: thanks for the hinting |
| 01:31.28 | greycat | ok, time to break shit.... |
| 01:31.32 | citral | valdyn_, you have a site ? |
| 01:31.34 | abrotman | greycat: you know .. call level 1 tech support :) |
| 01:31.39 | maher | JOS654: google linux wlan first link |
| 01:31.41 | asg | jharrison: sorry, NC |
| 01:31.43 | valdyn_ | citral: nope |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | JOS654: 11b or 11g? |
| 01:31.49 | JOS654 | 11 g |
| 01:31.53 | jharrison | asg: thats right |
| 01:32.04 | asg | Robinson: apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:32.05 | abrotman | JOS654: check the madwifi and prism54 sites |
| 01:32.05 | jharrison | asg: you are british living in NC charlotte area right? |
| 01:32.09 | asg | jharrison: yep |
| 01:32.10 | abrotman | those are all i know of |
| 01:32.12 | tct | if I have fluxbox as my window manager, how do I chande it to kde given that I downloaded all the packages rewquired for ked? |
| 01:32.16 | JOS654 | thx |
| 01:32.19 | jharrison | asg: doh we just talked about the other day too |
| 01:32.23 | jharrison | asg: I need new memory |
| 01:32.24 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:32.27 | tct | and how do I change to gnome when I download that too? |
| 01:32.30 | za | greycat, how can you provide such good technical support for so many years without asking for anything in return? |
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| 01:32.33 | asg | jharrison: been here since '83 so I don't sound british (unless I'm around other brits and it becomes infective) |
| 01:32.44 | npx | tct, echo startkde > ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:32.54 | jharrison | asg: im like that around americans |
| 01:33.08 | asg | jharrison: yeah, it's socially helpful I find |
| 01:33.15 | tct | when I boot this will boot ked by default? |
| 01:33.16 | dan2 | asg: what are you up to? |
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| 01:33.21 | abrotman | asg: so you sound like a redneck? |
| 01:33.30 | npx | tct, are you using kdm/xdm/gdm ? |
| 01:33.31 | asg | dan2: winding down a long week |
| 01:33.32 | jharrison | asg: I dont really have bahamian accent around americans but when im around other bahamians all the americans are like what the hell did he just say |
| 01:33.35 | dan2 | asg: heh |
| 01:33.36 | asg | abrotman: hehe, no |
| 01:33.44 | dan2 | asg: sounds like its time to open up a case a beer eh? |
| 01:33.47 | jharrison | abrotman: hi |
| 01:33.50 | asg | jharrison: I know the feeling well |
| 01:33.53 | jharrison | abrotman: happy friday |
| 01:33.59 | jharrison | !beer abrotman |
| 01:34.02 | npx | dan2, most insightful thing I've seen in #debian for many moons |
| 01:34.11 | asg | dan2: nah, not many tonight. |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | jharrison: i've had mine already :) |
| 01:34.19 | jharrison | hehe |
| 01:34.21 | tct | to tell you the truth I dont know, all I know is that its fluxbox |
| 01:34.27 | jharrison | abrotman: im about to go out to a cuban bar |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | jharrison: you live in the bahamas .. how do you get a boat to cuba? |
| 01:35.09 | asg | dan2: just converted a bobbit box to sarge (pretty easy downgrade all things considered) |
| 01:35.25 | jharrison | abrotman: no no, the cubans get a boat to here |
| 01:35.28 | asg | s/bobbit/bobbitt/ |
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| 01:35.35 | abrotman | jharrison: heh |
| 01:35.36 | jharrison | abrotman: :-P not the other way around |
| 01:35.43 | beowu1f | anyone know of a decent DVD authoring tool.. [AVI-->VCD;DVD riping]? |
| 01:35.48 | jharrison | abrotman: we have all kinds of cultures here |
| 01:35.53 | greycat | OpenBSD 3.6 (PEGASUS) #3: Fri Sep 10 21:24:11 EDT 2004 |
| 01:35.53 | zignig | maher: what is the /dev/* of your firewire dvd drive ? |
| 01:35.57 | za | greycat, how can you provide such good technical support for so many years without asking for anything in return? |
| 01:35.58 | jharrison | abrotman: I think there are over 50 nationalities |
| 01:36.06 | abrotman | beowu1f: did you try google? |
| 01:36.07 | asg | za: he asks now and again |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | jharrison: that many? |
| 01:36.15 | jharrison | abrotman: yep |
| 01:36.16 | maher | zignig: /dev/sr0 |
| 01:36.18 | greycat | za: I ask that people try to be less stupid, and start to answer their own questions.... |
| 01:36.24 | za | asg, but still. You too really. |
| 01:36.31 | zignig | maher: :) |
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| 01:36.34 | jharrison | abrotman: there is a nice belgian restuarant downtown |
| 01:36.38 | jharrison | abrotman: they have really good beer |
| 01:36.39 | abrotman | god .. yankees getting clobbered ..(which is a good thing) |
| 01:36.44 | maher | zignig: umm... which points to /dev/scd0 |
| 01:36.52 | abrotman | jharrison: i just got back from www.slyfoxbrew.com |
| 01:37.10 | beowu1f | abrotman: yup.. have on or 2 just thought u guys might possibly have something different.. |
| 01:37.34 | jharrison | mmmmmmmmmmm black raspberry wheat beer |
| 01:37.34 | za | greycat, you've been here for at least, what, 4 years? You've helped people out for 4 years. Aren't you sick of those people? |
| 01:37.34 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:37.35 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 01:37.59 | jharrison | !2 |
| 01:37.59 | dpkg | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 01:38.01 | mst | wud |
| 01:38.03 | asg | za: it's one way to give back to a community that provided some great software. |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | beowu1f: i don't have a burner .. check the dvdrtools site .. or what ever it is |
| 01:38.16 | mst | ne1 of u has like stuff |
| 01:38.18 | greycat | za: on occasion the stupidity gets so thick that I can't stand it, and then I go /away or I just /quit IRC. I have finite patience. |
| 01:38.18 | mst | kekeke |
| 01:38.22 | abrotman | !dvdrecord |
| 01:38.23 | dpkg | dvdrecord is probably a hacked version of cdrecord within dvdrtools able to burn dvds |
| 01:38.33 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:38.37 | zignig | maher: hmmm , I have a dvd rom on that , how do I list them ? |
| 01:38.44 | za | asg, I know man. But it's hard to keep on for so long. |
| 01:38.50 | greycat | dpkg, dvdrecord is also For real support, use growisofs from dvd+rw-tools, or cdrecord(-ProDVD) |
| 01:38.50 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 01:39.01 | za | greycat, I /quit for about 18 months... and still |
| 01:39.11 | maher | zignig: unplug, replug, see what its called |
| 01:39.22 | valdyn_ | zignig: /msg dpkg mplayer ; /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:39.30 | maher | zignig: hotplug should log what it got called |
| 01:39.38 | jharrison | abrotman: if I could go to this slyfox place I would try a different beer every time till I had tried them all |
| 01:39.39 | zignig | valdyn_: I want to _burn_. |
| 01:39.44 | asg | za: usually, a one month vacation helps |
| 01:39.45 | greycat | !torch zignig |
| 01:39.54 | abrotman | jharrison: problem is .. they change them all the time .. |
| 01:40.00 | valdyn_ | zignig: err, apt-get install growisofs |
| 01:40.06 | abrotman | jharrison: you'd have to keep a cheat sheet in your wallet |
| 01:40.18 | za | asg, I guess. Yeah. |
| 01:40.21 | zignig | maher: sbp2 , but I can't mount it |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | jharrison: i've never been there when they had the complete set twice(of 13 beers ..) |
| 01:40.44 | jharrison | abrotman: I would keep a list in a database of course |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | jharrison: err .. 13 of like 30 or whatever they have |
| 01:40.49 | maher | zignig: load sr_mod |
| 01:40.57 | jharrison | abrotman: and I would code a nice browser frontend for it |
| 01:41.02 | valdyn_ | zignig: nm /ignore what said, you want "dvd+row-tools" |
| 01:41.03 | jharrison | abrotman: :-P |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | jharrison: tonight they had a black rasberry wheat .. i didn't have it .. but it looked damn good |
| 01:41.08 | asg | za: plus, there is a certain camaraderie |
| 01:41.16 | jharrison | abrotman: I want that |
| 01:41.20 | jharrison | abrotman: it sounds good |
| 01:41.26 | abrotman | jharrison: $4 for 10oz |
| 01:41.31 | asg | abrotman: next time, ask for a sample |
| 01:41.32 | jharrison | thats it? |
| 01:41.36 | jharrison | holy crapola |
| 01:41.40 | jharrison | thats cheap |
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| 01:41.49 | abrotman | jharrison: most are about $3 |
| 01:41.52 | za | asg, of course. |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | asg: i was going to . but the others in the party were ready to go |
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| 01:42.15 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 01:42.19 | jharrison | abrotman: there was a bar in Chatty in TN I use to go to and during haloween they had a very good pumpkin ale |
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| 01:42.22 | abrotman | asg: they are boring :) |
| 01:42.36 | asg | abrotman: when it's time to go, it's time to go |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | jharrison: ew .. i'm not a pumpkin person |
| 01:42.47 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:42.49 | jharrison | it was good |
| 01:42.52 | abrotman | asg: after 2 beers? |
| 01:42.58 | asg | jharrison: had an octoberfest in NJ a few years ago that tasted like socks and pumpkins :) |
| 01:43.03 | zignig | maher: hmmm , still not on the scsi bus |
| 01:43.12 | jharrison | asg: socks? |
| 01:43.13 | asg | abrotman: to each their own |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | jharrison: i had the whithorse and the heller one |
| 01:43.18 | asg | jharrison: yeah, it was revolting |
| 01:43.27 | maher | zignig: what happened when you loaded sr_mod |
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| 01:43.38 | abrotman | asg: why do you know what socks taste like? |
| 01:43.49 | jharrison | asg: yeah? |
| 01:43.56 | asg | jharrison: the problem was that my friend bought a lot of it so we drank 'pumpkin and toes' for an entire weekend |
| 01:44.08 | jharrison | I feel sick |
| 01:44.12 | zignig | maher: hotplug said Sep 11 09:19:33 [kernel] ieee1394: Node 01:1023 has non-standard ROM format (0 quads), cannot parse |
| 01:44.13 | asg | abrotman: a minor stretch of the imagination |
| 01:44.35 | maher | zignig: what kernel |
| 01:44.37 | abrotman | jharrison: the whithorse was very hooegarden-ish |
| 01:44.38 | zignig | maher: I have a cd burner working , I think it is the dvd module is old. |
| 01:44.40 | asg | abrotman: it tasted like socks smell |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | jharrison: the other .. slightly better than a .. eek .. coors original |
| 01:44.55 | zignig | maher: 2.4.21 |
| 01:45.04 | greycat | asg: clean socks, or dirty? |
| 01:45.05 | rares000 | half of taste comes from smell that's why pizza tastes funny when have th eflu |
| 01:45.06 | zignig | maher: I think I Need a new kernel ;) |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | jharrison: but on par .. pretty good |
| 01:45.11 | jharrison | I wonder if this cuban place will have any good imported beers |
| 01:45.14 | maher | zignig: try the most recent 2.4? |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | jharrison: just voted best brewery in philly |
| 01:45.23 | asg | greycat: not clean, that's for sure; post-rugby I would estimate |
| 01:45.26 | jharrison | I need something that will go good with my honduras cigar |
| 01:45.28 | greycat | asg: ouch. |
| 01:45.34 | zignig | maher: I've been itching to try 2.6 for a while. |
| 01:45.39 | jharrison | unless I buy a cuban cigar from this place |
| 01:45.44 | zignig | maher: I say wtfn :) |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | eww |
| 01:45.49 | greycat | jharrison: tobacco is *so* disgusting. |
| 01:45.51 | Randy | Im compiling the kernel.. its it natural to just press the enter key 1 billion times while it asks questions? |
| 01:45.57 | maher | zignig: firewire doesn't work so well except in the most recent 2.6 |
| 01:46.02 | jharrison | greycat: yes I know |
| 01:46.10 | jharrison | greycat: it makes me puke |
| 01:46.10 | asg | greycat: that's what happens when you buy without a taste test |
| 01:46.14 | maher | zignig: 2.6.7 was the first that really worked for me |
| 01:46.18 | zignig | maher: ah , 2.4.latest it is. |
| 01:46.23 | za | Randy, try make xconfig |
| 01:46.36 | za | Randy, keep your .config. For ever. |
| 01:46.46 | asg | Randy: or install libncurses5-dev and use 'make menuconfig' |
| 01:47.17 | za | ewww |
| 01:47.26 | Randy | is it too late to try make xconfig ? |
| 01:48.02 | zignig | maher: 2.4.27 coming down the wire :) |
| 01:48.27 | abrotman | Randy: are you sure you should be compiling a kernel .. especially without reading the docs that come with it? |
| 01:48.31 | greycat | Randy: configuring a linux kernel is something of a black art. |
| 01:48.41 | npx | It's not that damn hard |
| 01:48.49 | zignig | greycat: grey art actually ;) |
| 01:49.02 | greycat | Randy: if you're using DEBIAN kernel sources instead of kernel.org, you MIGHT be able to get away with copying your config file from /boot to .config and then using menuconfig to flip the one option you wanted to change. |
| 01:49.14 | greycat | Randy: but DO NOT attempt that with kernel.org kernel sources and debian config files. |
| 01:49.22 | rares000 | Randy my offer still stands |
| 01:49.40 | Randy | rares: what offer? |
| 01:49.49 | rares000 | $10 bucks |
| 01:49.53 | rares000 | and |
| 01:49.55 | asg | Randy: he was going to give you the eflu apparently |
| 01:49.57 | Randy | for what ? |
| 01:50.04 | za | Randy, The Debian kernel maintainers do a good job me thinks. apt-cache search kernel-image. |
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| 01:50.24 | rares000 | you get to have 2G w/o having a problem |
| 01:50.25 | Randy | yes but I just press the enter key endlessly now ? |
| 01:50.28 | asg | za: but the 2.4 kernels in woody do not have HIGHMEM support (he has >1G of ram) |
| 01:50.39 | za | asg, ah; missed that |
| 01:50.40 | greycat | Randy: no, you have to actually READ the help on each option and figure out whether you need it or not. |
| 01:50.50 | Randy | NO |
| 01:50.50 | asg | za: no worries |
| 01:50.53 | Randy | too much crap |
| 01:51.01 | Randy | enter key works fine |
| 01:51.03 | asg | !comfort greycat |
| 01:51.04 | dpkg | There, there, greycat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:51.23 | Randy | im just going to hold it down |
| 01:52.09 | asg | Randy: there are quite a few kernel drivers that are mutually exclusive, holding enter down will only cause a compile to fail (probably 30 minutes into it) |
| 01:52.31 | pipeline | Why compile a kernel at all? |
| 01:52.43 | greycat | pipeline: see za's comments, see previous hour of discussion |
| 01:52.45 | asg | pipeline: because the debian image doesn't have support for >1G |
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| 01:52.54 | zignig | asg: is there a program that will scan your hardware and make a kernel config |
| 01:52.57 | zignig | ? |
| 01:53.19 | asg | zignig: extrapolate from the dmesg that a debian install kernel provides |
| 01:53.19 | abrotman | asg: that's easily fixed |
| 01:53.33 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 01:53.37 | za | zignig, no |
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| 01:53.48 | zignig | asg: I suppose that hotplug/discover to it with modules. |
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| 01:54.12 | zignig | za: it would be cool though. |
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| 01:54.12 | asg | zignig: that and 'lsmod' post-install should give you enough to go on |
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| 01:54.18 | citral | zignig, but you can copy a /boot/config-2.4.18-newpmac to /usr/src/linux/.config, it's generally a good start |
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| 01:54.24 | za | zignig, there is a 'cool' text adventure that does it. |
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| 01:54.36 | zignig | asg: full automation is the key :), replicating debian |
| 01:54.40 | zignig | Mwhahahaha |
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| 01:54.54 | abrotman | !debtakeover |
| 01:54.54 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 01:54.55 | asg | zignig: seel joeyh's latest blog (planet.debian.org) |
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| 01:55.10 | abrotman | asg: really ... it's about time damn it |
| 01:55.11 | zignig | asg: nope , but soon will |
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| 01:55.43 | greycat | printers. *shudder* |
| 01:55.47 | asg | abrotman: I agree |
| 01:55.59 | asg | greycat: :( |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | !tree killers |
| 01:56.02 | zignig | za: backup,backup,backup |
| 01:56.12 | zignig | greycat: printers are so evil. |
| 01:56.14 | za | greycat, cups is my friend |
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| 01:56.25 | asg | zignig: well, Lexmark Z32 |
| 01:56.29 | asg | zignig: 's are |
| 01:56.31 | citral | abrotman, at least Mr guillem knows how to write bash scripts |
| 01:56.31 | greycat | !esr cups |
| 01:56.31 | dpkg | [esr cups] http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cups-horror.html or http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/27/0043250 (aka "The Luxury of Ignorance"), or http://www.asktog.com/ |
| 01:56.32 | za | greycat, and the adobe Windows generic postscipt drivers... |
| 01:56.53 | abrotman | citral: eh? |
| 01:56.58 | greycat | za: you're a brave one. |
| 01:56.58 | za | haha |
| 01:57.00 | initech | za: hope they are postscript printers |
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| 01:57.04 | citral | about debtakeover |
| 01:57.18 | abrotman | do they make non-postscritp printers anymore? |
| 01:57.22 | nitin | ug |
| 01:57.27 | abrotman | citral: oh |
| 01:57.31 | zignig | asg: I had a 160 column dot matrix _explode_ on me once. |
| 01:57.34 | nitin | guys im using a ati-radeon 9700 pro |
| 01:57.35 | za | initech, actually, yeah. But it would make no nevermind anyway. |
| 01:57.36 | asg | greycat: apparently he just found out that he has prior art for sender-id in fetchmail |
| 01:57.39 | citral | abrotman, yes, I have one canon i250 |
| 01:57.41 | greycat | zignig: uh... how? |
| 01:57.43 | asg | zignig: ouch |
| 01:57.51 | abrotman | oh .. good |
| 01:58.03 | nitin | and after doing fglrx setup it says i have a radeon 9500 pro and glx gears is really low (2500) whereas gentoo / suse gives me 4000 |
| 01:58.06 | nitin | help? |
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| 01:58.10 | zignig | greycat: the transformer shorted and shattered the casing |
| 01:58.14 | abrotman | zignig: printing pr0n? |
| 01:58.20 | zignig | BOOOOM, smoke and sparks. |
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| 01:58.27 | zignig | /s/pr0n/pain. |
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| 01:58.31 | citral | !pornsmite zignig |
| 01:58.37 | greycat | zignig: did you plug it into the 220volt outlet? |
| 01:58.49 | nitin | guys im using a ati-radeon 9700 pro and after doing fglrx setup it says i have a radeon 9500 pro and glx gears is really low (2500) whereas gentoo / suse gives me 4000 help? |
| 01:58.54 | zignig | greycat: 240v , it was working at the time. |
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| 01:59.00 | za | greycat, I'm not so brave. Can you think of an alternative? |
| 01:59.02 | greycat | nitin: use whatever suse used, then. |
| 01:59.09 | zignig | asg: heh |
| 01:59.16 | nitin | suse just worked with ati drivers |
| 01:59.18 | nitin | debian doesnt |
| 01:59.25 | greycat | zignig: was the printer *designed* to take 240v, or was it expecting 110v? :) |
| 01:59.26 | citral | nitin, it does |
| 01:59.29 | nitin | ? |
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| 01:59.32 | asg | zignig: the question is, does he read 2600 for the articles or the phone pr0n on the back cover |
| 01:59.37 | nitin | really? can u give me instructions |
| 01:59.44 | initech | nitin: suse makes deals with them, that's why you pay $90 |
| 01:59.45 | citral | nitin, which card ? |
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| 01:59.53 | Noid | asg: why not both? |
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| 02:00.03 | zignig | asg: you assume that they can read in the first place. |
| 02:00.10 | citral | nitin, don't msg me, the discussion can help someone else maybe.... |
| 02:00.10 | rares000 | is there a way to sign the kernel build |
| 02:00.12 | asg | Noid: touche |
| 02:00.16 | nitin | k |
| 02:00.18 | asg | zignig: ;) |
| 02:00.23 | nitin | card -> radeon 9700 pro |
| 02:00.25 | citral | nitin, which card ,n |
| 02:00.50 | greycat | nitin: hey, why don't you say it 10 or 12 more times so they can all see it? ;-) |
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| 02:01.02 | Noid | asg: after all, there are people who get *really* excited when a new kernel comes out... |
| 02:01.06 | nitin | citral asked me greycat.. |
| 02:01.12 | greycat | nitin: I know, not your fault |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | greycat: citral did ask |
| 02:01.16 | nitin | lol |
| 02:01.23 | greycat | abrotman: they asked for something that he's already said, though |
| 02:01.32 | asg | Noid: hah |
| 02:01.54 | nitin | Noid lol thats a word for smart people at my highschool :) |
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| 02:02.13 | abrotman | greycat: but it wasn't nitin's fault .. citral just wasn't paying attention |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | or was too lazy to scroll up |
| 02:02.18 | greycat | abrotman: I know. |
| 02:02.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:02.19 | nitin | any ideas citral |
| 02:02.21 | Noid | nitin: which one? excited? d-: |
| 02:02.27 | nitin | :) |
| 02:02.34 | citral | nitin, google give me already 10304353253252 ideas, I will not detail the process |
| 02:02.43 | nitin | i already tried |
| 02:02.44 | nitin | alot.. |
| 02:02.48 | abrotman | nitin: turn on direct rendering |
| 02:02.49 | nitin | most dont work.. |
| 02:02.50 | asg | Noid: touche but he misinterpreted the 'dental' as a 'labial' |
| 02:02.52 | nitin | its on |
| 02:03.05 | nitin | but it tells me i have a 9500 when i have a 9700 pro |
| 02:03.07 | Noid | asg: hahaha |
| 02:03.09 | greycat | nitin: if you got 2500 fps, then you *are* getting 3d accel. If you need more than that, you should consult the experts in #ati or #xfree86 |
| 02:03.12 | nitin | and it doesnt use the full power of the card |
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| 02:03.15 | abrotman | nitin: so if you 'glxinfo | grep direct' .. .it says yes? |
| 02:03.20 | nitin | yep |
| 02:03.27 | za | "The Luxury of Ignorance: An Open-Source Horror Story" Is more like "The Luxury of being an idiot". |
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| 02:03.28 | valdyn_ | nitin: check which version of the driver suse / gentoo use |
| 02:03.33 | nitin | hmm |
| 02:03.34 | nitin | k |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | nitin: sounds like you're done |
| 02:03.46 | abrotman | nitin: does it really matter? .. are you going to play games? |
| 02:03.53 | za | "Aunt Tillie"... oh my. |
| 02:03.53 | nitin | i get 10 fps in warcraft 3 |
| 02:03.59 | nitin | thats pointless |
| 02:04.03 | za | nitin, eww |
| 02:04.09 | nitin | i can get 70 in suse etc.. |
| 02:04.10 | nitin | but |
| 02:04.13 | nitin | i hate suse:) |
| 02:04.18 | nitin | they use kde :) |
| 02:04.23 | za | nitin, what graphics card? |
| 02:04.25 | nitin | ... |
| 02:04.27 | greycat | !smite za |
| 02:04.31 | citral | nitin, i will be good http://www.rage3d.com/content/articles/atilinuxhowto/ |
| 02:04.32 | nitin | lol radeon 9700 pro |
| 02:04.36 | KrOnOs | how do i set my name servers? |
| 02:04.38 | greycat | that's 3 times now. |
| 02:04.44 | greycat | KrOnOs: man resolv.conf |
| 02:04.45 | asg | KrOnOs: man 5 resolv.conf |
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| 02:04.55 | greycat | the 5 isn't required in that one |
| 02:04.59 | greycat | but it won't hurt |
| 02:05.01 | Noid | random remembrance: the other day a guy entered #debian-es, his nick was uberhacker... he changed the topic to "hacked by uberhacker" and waited with a smiley... he left after being utterly ignored |
| 02:05.05 | da | intel extreme | ati raedon 9000? |
| 02:05.13 | da | which one is easier to install the driver? |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | greycat: i think 4 actually |
| 02:05.17 | da | and performance? |
| 02:05.22 | asg | greycat: true |
| 02:05.23 | za | nitin, so get ati's uberfast gl drivers like SUSE has? ati.com? /j #ati ? |
| 02:05.31 | herbi | Noid, probably did a mIRC list for all channels with -t :P |
| 02:05.47 | greycat | abrotman: ah, you're right. 4 times in /lastlog |
| 02:05.53 | greycat | I must've missed one of them |
| 02:05.55 | za | "But wait! Wait! Hallelujah! There's a help button! I click it." |
| 02:05.57 | initech | i could never get ati's drivers to work, i just use DRI |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | greycat: some people .. yeesh :) |
| 02:06.05 | initech | with my radeon 9000 |
| 02:06.07 | da | initech |
| 02:06.09 | da | really?! |
| 02:06.12 | za | Sounds like his kernel compile experience |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | greycat: was it a radeon 9700 ? :) |
| 02:06.14 | Noid | herbi: ssssh th0se 4re ub3rh4cker s3cr3ts |
| 02:06.17 | da | did yo try the firglx? |
| 02:06.28 | initech | da: yep |
| 02:06.41 | asg | greycat: nethack doesn't run any faster |
| 02:06.45 | abrotman | greycat: it's fairly easy .. if you can read |
| 02:06.48 | da | I've read ati website, and it seems to be easy |
| 02:06.53 | abrotman | nor does monkeybubble |
| 02:06.54 | za | greycat, nethack runs 2 fps with it. |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | or robotfindskitten |
| 02:06.59 | da | but do yo recommand intel extreme ? |
| 02:07.00 | Noid | all i know about dri is that it's something i comment out when i put the nvidia drivers d-: |
| 02:07.01 | initech | DRI was much more involved, but it did work |
| 02:07.10 | da | how about 3d ? |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | da: i have an intel card.. works fine |
| 02:07.17 | abrotman | not best performance .. |
| 02:07.20 | da | like tuxracer |
| 02:07.22 | da | quake3 |
| 02:07.24 | abrotman | but good enough .. although .. mine is a laptop :) |
| 02:07.26 | herbi | Noid, why? |
| 02:07.33 | abrotman | uhm .. someone gave me a demo |
| 02:07.36 | da | yep, i look forwad to buying a laptop |
| 02:07.39 | herbi | Noid, i run DRI + nvidia drivers side by side |
| 02:07.43 | da | and now have 2 choices |
| 02:07.47 | Noid | herbi: i was just kidding (-; |
| 02:07.49 | herbi | at least i think i do |
| 02:07.51 | da | one is ati raedon |
| 02:07.54 | da | and another is intel extreme |
| 02:08.02 | abrotman | da: the demo is q3 .. on my lappie .. about 60+fps i think |
| 02:08.04 | Noid | herbi: oh, that why... because the readme says so |
| 02:08.18 | abrotman | da: but don't ask me more than that .. i only did it to test for him .. i really don't play games |
| 02:08.20 | da | hmm... sounds I should chose intel extreme |
| 02:08.21 | Noid | herbi: and quite more importantly, because it works |
| 02:08.28 | abrotman | well .. i do .. but not on PC .. |
| 02:08.51 | herbi | Noid, you dont disable directX on your windows computer when you install the nvidia drivers do you? :P |
| 02:08.58 | KrOnOs | how do i restart my net adapter? |
| 02:09.06 | greycat | KrOnOs: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 02:09.19 | greycat | depending on what you actually mean by "restart" |
| 02:09.23 | za | If you want good performance on q3a/ut2003/ut2004/et/doom3, it's easy. Replace it with an nvidia card. |
| 02:09.49 | da | za |
| 02:09.54 | da | laptop has it all integrated |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | za: good .. next time an idiot comes in here asking about nvidia drivers .you'll help them? |
| 02:10.02 | za | abrotman, sure |
| 02:10.04 | da | I am talking about the dell 600m or 700m |
| 02:10.08 | citral | bah. I like only frozen-bubble for five minutes |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | mine does |
| 02:10.10 | KrOnOs | greycat :i changed the name server in resolf.conf..now i want it to load it |
| 02:10.15 | za | abrotman, I will point him to #nvidia, no problem |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | da: mine is a IBM G40 |
| 02:10.18 | greycat | KrOnOs: do nothing. you're done. |
| 02:10.21 | Noid | herbi: what is directx? d-: seriously, no, but i don't know what dri is, and ut2k4 works just fine without it... can dri help me get better performance? |
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| 02:10.29 | maher | da: how about a sharp mm20 |
| 02:10.33 | greycat | KrOnOs: don't restart anything except daemons that may have cached old DNS values (e.g. squid, sendmail) |
| 02:10.36 | da | too much |
| 02:10.40 | da | I am short on budget |
| 02:10.58 | herbi | Noid, i think so. its like directx for X11...but not 3d. ut2k4 works fine because its opengl based. but youll notice an improvement in say window drawing times when you have dri enabled |
| 02:11.02 | maher | da: how about a lindows c3 then? |
| 02:11.09 | da | lindows c3? |
| 02:11.11 | da | what is that? |
| 02:11.18 | herbi | da, thats offtopic. |
| 02:11.20 | herbi | :) |
| 02:11.24 | maher | da laptop with a via c3 in it |
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| 02:11.43 | Noid | herbi: hmmm i'll look into it... then why do the nvidia readme's state that you must leave it out? |
| 02:11.48 | da | it has better linux driver support? |
| 02:12.02 | herbi | Noid, no idea. ive had it compiled in my kernel since 2.4.2 |
| 02:12.09 | abrotman | lindows is based on debian |
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| 02:12.19 | citral | !based on debian |
| 02:12.19 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 02:12.20 | valdyn_ | Noid: Dri is a driver interface, you need it to use DRI drivers, theres no point at all to use it with nvidias driver |
| 02:12.34 | za | ATI make their own drivers. They are closed. People wouldn't care so much if they were closed but good. They aren't. They are closed are shit. |
| 02:12.39 | toresbe | I suddenly feel like making a Linux webradio! With news, information, and stuff like that! |
| 02:12.41 | abrotman | citral: i didn't say it was debian |
| 02:12.44 | maher | da: well lindows runs a linux kernel - dunno how easy it is to get debian on one - but you can buy them woth debian pre-installed from eracks |
| 02:13.03 | citral | abrotman, I know, I just like this one :) |
| 02:13.11 | da | za, r yo the only one had back luck with ait? |
| 02:13.12 | toresbe | RFC....? |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | citral: i like |
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| 02:13.24 | da | do yo know any one else get fireglx work? |
| 02:13.26 | greycat | da: no, he's not. |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 02:13.27 | dpkg | useless factoids is probably Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
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| 02:13.33 | za | da, nope |
| 02:13.37 | greycat | abrotman: haha |
| 02:13.44 | da | noone actually get it worked? |
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| 02:13.56 | greycat | abrotman: how can we make Her kill gentoo users instead? or lawyers? |
| 02:13.57 | da | but the dri driver worked right? |
| 02:13.58 | Noid | valdyn_: i just got told the contrary /: |
| 02:14.03 | za | da, if you want games. Get an nvidia card, and the binary drivers from nvidia |
| 02:14.17 | da | dude, my choice laptop doesn't come with nvidia |
| 02:14.18 | za | da, GL games that is. Nethack runs as fast on both. |
| 02:14.19 | valdyn_ | Noid: that is false then ) |
| 02:14.21 | da | I have nvidia at home hehe |
| 02:14.30 | herbi | greycat, your feminist side is showing :P |
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| 02:14.41 | herbi | communist! |
| 02:14.42 | da | alright, I'll buy the one with ati raedon 9000 |
| 02:14.47 | da | then try dri |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | greycat: we can make a factoid for !iwantmydri .. and make it kill gentoo users |
| 02:14.49 | greycat | <- not communist. |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:15.04 | za | greycat, they all say that |
| 02:15.23 | citral | what has communism with feminism to do ? |
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| 02:15.40 | citral | nothing. at all. |
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| 02:15.51 | za | abrotman, meow ? |
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| 02:16.52 | abrotman | za: pussy? |
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| 02:16.57 | kurumin | . |
| 02:16.59 | za | I still don't understand how #gentoo went from 0 to 800 users in such a short space of time... |
| 02:17.14 | asg | za: bandwagon phenonenon |
| 02:17.15 | herbi | za, who cares |
| 02:17.21 | citral | za, because they are 100% lame ? :) |
| 02:17.21 | abrotman | za: it's a cult |
| 02:17.26 | za | asg, seems reasonable |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | za: hopefully they break out the jonestown koolaid soon |
| 02:17.48 | za | heh |
| 02:17.52 | initech | abrotman: hah! |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | i'm glad someone got that .. i was starting to think i was old |
| 02:18.20 | za | you are. |
| 02:18.25 | za | Obviously :) |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | yes .. i am |
| 02:18.30 | abrotman | but i thought i was the only one |
| 02:18.32 | asg | abrotman: and I was about to start a rousing rendition of 'Fire Woman' |
| 02:18.36 | abrotman | i was like 1 when that happened |
| 02:18.45 | Noid | because they can make each program run some nanoseconds faster! and in the long run, they may even enjoy computers a FULL MINUTE longer than you! |
| 02:18.54 | citral | http://oldman-needs-help.org :) |
| 02:18.57 | toresbe | abrotman: You are making me feel like creating a useless factoid :P |
| 02:19.19 | greycat | !gentoosmite Noid |
| 02:19.24 | abrotman | toresbe: please .. go ahead .. just don't tell peterS |
| 02:19.31 | herbi | za, btw, http://funroll-loops.org |
| 02:19.33 | za | haha |
| 02:19.39 | Noid | omg even slower? |
| 02:19.50 | initech | herbi: that site is hilarious |
| 02:19.51 | asg | Noid: if you don't know what you are doing, yes |
| 02:19.54 | greycat | Noid: you missed that one? I think it was in a DWN a few months ago. |
| 02:19.54 | mush | abrotman: i went camping once waaay out in the bush. joked to a friend that jim jones would be there. of course there was a guy named jim jones when we got to the camp |
| 02:20.01 | initech | for about 15 minutes anyway |
| 02:20.07 | za | Compiling code is 1337 I guess |
| 02:20.14 | greycat | Noid: by fucking with the -O* options on a big C++ program that actually made it *slower* than the debian package |
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| 02:20.37 | abrotman | mush: did you cry? |
| 02:20.50 | za | herbi, :) |
| 02:20.51 | asg | abrotman: nah, he took the blue pill |
| 02:21.04 | za | -099 !!! |
| 02:21.13 | Noid | greycat: hahaha... btw i'm learning C++ right now, just took the ebook "thinking in c++" (-: |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | Noid: there was a big article about it .. gentoo defaults to -O3 or something .. which is slower than the -O2 that most people use . or something like that |
| 02:21.16 | mush | i declined all drinks served from 50 gallon drums |
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| 02:21.36 | greycat | Noid: I've read part of that. It's the only positive C++ experience I've ever had so far. |
| 02:21.55 | Noid | abrotman: to be absolutely honest, i do not track gentoo news /: |
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| 02:21.55 | za | abrotman, It's the load/run times trade off thing |
| 02:21.59 | Flimzy | I just upgraded my CPU from a Duron 1.3Ghz to an Athlon XP 2400+ (2.0Ghz, I believe), but my BIOS (which I just flashed to the latest version) on an MSI K7N2 (nForce2 chipset) only shows an Athlon XP 1800+ (1.5Ghz). Is anyone here familiar with a similar setup, and what I might do to get it working right? I manually set the CPU FSB to 133Mhz in the BIOS, which *should* get it up to 2Ghz (15x133Mhz), but it has absolutely no effect that I |
| 02:22.00 | Flimzy | can tell. |
| 02:22.03 | greycat | Noid: this was in Debian newsd. |
| 02:22.35 | Noid | greycat: erhm i don't track those either |
| 02:22.51 | greycat | Noid: DWN is just once a week, worth subscribing to |
| 02:23.04 | Noid | greycat: where? |
| 02:23.07 | greycat | !DWN |
| 02:23.07 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
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| 02:23.27 | za | Anyone remember wehavethewayin.com? Who made that? |
| 02:23.39 | Phill | Hi, could someone help me with this error? dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 02:23.39 | Phill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.39 | Phill | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 02:23.39 | Phill | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.39 | Phill | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 02:23.40 | Phill | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 02:23.47 | asg | arglyfargl! |
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| 02:24.01 | valdyn_ | flimzy: i have this board, lieing unused next to me, with the same cpu, settings are autodetected just fine ( or were when I used it ) |
| 02:24.07 | greycat | sounds like you need more swap space |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | asg: wethhherhhre ? |
| 02:24.10 | asg | Phill: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
| 02:24.25 | Phill | i don't have any swap hehe... |
| 02:24.25 | Flimzy | valdyn_: Hmm... *grr* I wonder if there's a hardware jumper that overrides the BIOS setting or something |
| 02:24.26 | abrotman | use a spork! |
| 02:24.28 | MozillaMan | I just Installed debian sarge, and I love it! |
| 02:24.43 | asg | abrotman: the flood damaged my delicate sensibilities |
| 02:24.52 | valdyn_ | Flimzy: resetting to default values doesn't fix it? |
| 02:24.53 | Flimzy | valdyn_: (you interested in selling that board/CPU, BTW? :) |
| 02:24.56 | za | The big microsoft and Unisys anti-linux campaign from a few years ago... Unisys just started shipping redhat boxen. |
| 02:25.02 | Noid | greycat: done, thanks |
| 02:25.09 | MozillaMan | RedHat sucks |
| 02:25.16 | MozillaMan | Debian is the best |
| 02:25.20 | asg | za: it's fiscally expedient for them to do so, no more. |
| 02:25.21 | MozillaMan | better than gentoo |
| 02:25.24 | Flimzy | valdyn_: I haven't tried that yet. But if settin the FSB manually doesn't fix it, a reset seems like a longshot (but at this point a longshot may be all I have to go on!) |
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| 02:25.27 | initech | red hat is some slapped together shit |
| 02:25.33 | greycat | MozillaMan: you don't have to convince *us*. we already know. |
| 02:25.40 | za | asg, Do you remeber the wehavethewayout.com parody site? |
| 02:25.41 | MozillaMan | I know you know |
| 02:25.46 | valdyn_ | Flimzy: sure, but I suspect youre not anywhere near europe ) |
| 02:25.54 | MozillaMan | I was just testing you |
| 02:25.56 | Flimzy | valdyn_: You are correct :) |
| 02:26.03 | initech | za: the register had a great article about that |
| 02:26.04 | Flimzy | valdyn_: I'll try a reset... and look for jumpers... bbl (maybe) |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | asg: that's what i say about beer . but i figure i can live without them |
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| 02:26.07 | za | asg, wehavethewayout.com being the 'Linux sucks' site from them |
| 02:26.07 | Phill | Ok, i've made a swap (64mb, it's 2x the ram, right?), will try again |
| 02:26.08 | Flimzy | valdyn_: thaks or the help |
| 02:26.12 | za | initech, yeah? lemmi look |
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| 02:26.14 | asg | za: sorry, I don't (I'm still trying to stop laughing at the linux on a mainframe is 10x more expensive than windows on a pc comparison adds) |
| 02:26.29 | za | initech, I was looking for that parody site, but It's untracable :( |
| 02:26.38 | asg | abrotman: beer is good, beer is our pall |
| 02:26.46 | MozillaMan | I do love the apt package manager, I just moved to debian from suse, and I was sick and tired of RPM |
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| 02:26.48 | za | asg, :) |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | and impairs our spelling and keyboard skills |
| 02:27.16 | Noid | !parody |
| 02:27.20 | Phill | what should I add to my fstab to get the swap to initilize when the pc boots? |
| 02:27.25 | initech | people talk about apt-get, not realizing that it is an inevitable product of debians good design, not a bolt on |
| 02:27.28 | asg | abrotman: yes, slightly |
| 02:27.36 | za | http://www.the-register.co.uk/ -> ebay. heh |
| 02:27.36 | greycat | Phill: man fstab |
| 02:27.36 | Noid | hmmm someone should add something funny for that one |
| 02:27.38 | Q3Man | I've got a plain text file I need to send to a local cups printer.. whats the simplest way to do that? |
| 02:28.12 | MozillaMan | I also like the way debian strips the kernel of what you don't need, that gives you a faster, more aggressive kernel |
| 02:28.14 | asg | Phill: /dev/hdXY none swap sw 0 0 (where XY is your drive/partition format) |
| 02:28.27 | Phill | asg: thankyou! |
| 02:28.28 | Noid | greycat: fine. now you will have a user with an /etc/fstab line that reads: man fstab |
| 02:28.38 | dan2 | asg: haskell is great, the threading api is superb |
| 02:28.39 | asg | Phill: do read the manpage (man fstab) though |
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| 02:28.40 | MozillaMan | Is anyone here using Sarge? |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | ah .. Sunday came early |
| 02:28.51 | asg | MozillaMan: quite a few I would expect |
| 02:28.53 | dan2 | asg: not a pita like pthreads in C |
| 02:28.57 | MozillaMan | Cool |
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| 02:28.59 | Phill | i have it up now (thanks geycat i guess :P ) |
| 02:29.03 | l_i_l_o | I have sarge testing version |
| 02:29.05 | asg | dan2: I always prefered forks |
| 02:29.08 | MozillaMan | me2 |
| 02:29.11 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Sunday never ended |
| 02:29.16 | asg | greycat: geycat? |
| 02:29.20 | dan2 | asg: there is no fork() in haskell, there is forkOS() (creates OS threads), forkIO () (haskell threads) |
| 02:29.22 | za | initech, do you have a url for that? |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:29.28 | dan2 | asg: they work the same way as fork |
| 02:29.36 | initech | nah just remember is |
| 02:29.37 | MozillaMan | I don't much like woody |
| 02:29.40 | initech | *it |
| 02:29.41 | asg | dan2: still fork() is simple |
| 02:29.52 | dan2 | asg: forkOS is equally simplistic |
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| 02:30.05 | asg | dan2: but that's likely just a wrapper around the C lib |
| 02:30.21 | za | I asked if anyone knew about it yesterday, but Guerin verbally abused me |
| 02:30.29 | abrotman | MozillaMan: many of us use sarge .. |
| 02:30.31 | dan2 | asg: sure, but I can't see that haskell threads are going to be able to smp as well as pthreads |
| 02:30.49 | Flimzy | valdyn_: I found it... For unknown reasons, I had the "safe mode" jumper set, which set the FSB to 100Mhz. Who knows what other adverse effects that may have had on my performance the last 12+ months I've had it set like that! |
| 02:30.50 | za | Guerin doesn't seem to be such a friendly person |
| 02:30.51 | asg | dan2: dunno there |
| 02:31.07 | dan2 | asg: I'll show you a simple echo client one moment |
| 02:31.08 | asg | za: he's fine and dandy, just has the odd moment (like we all do) |
| 02:31.11 | valdyn_ | Flimzy: hehe,neat |
| 02:31.20 | l_i_l_o | does somebody have realtek ac'97 sound on chipset ATI please? |
| 02:31.40 | za | asg, I said "Does anyone remember...." He said "Why the fuck should we you idiot?". |
| 02:31.40 | scarynetworkguy | za: have you ever thought that maybe it's you? |
| 02:31.40 | MozillaMan | I have a question as to why In debian, all of the runlevels are the same? |
| 02:31.43 | greycat | l_i_l_o: it probably uses i810_audio in OSS/2.4 |
| 02:31.47 | za | asg, Seemed more than that :/ |
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| 02:32.05 | Noid | MozillaMan: same reason that all orientals look the same |
| 02:32.16 | Noid | MozillaMan: you haven't looked hard enough |
| 02:32.17 | MozillaMan | haha |
| 02:32.17 | greycat | MozillaMan: because run levels are pretty useless in the first place. But they're reserved for your use as the sysadmin, if you wish. |
| 02:32.27 | asg | za: don't read too much into it, he probably had a bad day. |
| 02:32.28 | dan2 | asg: http://paste.anbcs.com/2258 |
| 02:32.35 | MozillaMan | I like to be able to kill the x-server |
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| 02:32.44 | l_i_l_o | grey> i810 doesn't work |
| 02:32.48 | greycat | "Oh, today is Friday! I think I shall disable NFS shares today!" |
| 02:32.55 | za | asg, yeah, guess so |
| 02:33.09 | asg | dan2: '$' --For window compatibility ??? |
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| 02:33.31 | dan2 | asg: I copied it from an example |
| 02:33.35 | asg | dan2: ah |
| 02:33.41 | dan2 | asg: I made some modifications to use threads |
| 02:33.48 | asg | dan2: almost but not quite entirely unlike python |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | i810_audio? |
| 02:33.59 | kerpal23_ | anyway to mount (not extract) a tar.gz? |
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| 02:34.09 | greycat | kerpal23_: LUFS maybe? |
| 02:34.21 | Noid | asg: that's one of the funnier sentences ever |
| 02:34.23 | manual_overide | kerpal23_: why do you want to mount it? |
| 02:34.37 | asg | Noid: it's a 'Douglas Adams' quote |
| 02:34.41 | scarynetworkguy | za: yes yes it was you. BTW DON"T EVER MESSAGE ME AGAIN YOU FUCKHEAD |
| 02:34.43 | l_i_l_o | how can I install snd_atiixp module |
| 02:34.44 | Noid | asg: tea, i know |
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| 02:34.56 | za | scarynetworkguy, I /msg you because it was very OT. |
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| 02:35.08 | deadcat | KrOnOs: DONT /msg me. |
| 02:35.09 | kerpal23_ | Well, I would like to use rsync, yet i would like to have it compressed and i don't want to double my space requirement, plus i think it would be better in a filesystem when ihave tons of small files. |
| 02:35.16 | dan2 | asg: hmm, guess there is a forking function, `par' |
| 02:35.25 | Noid | asg: i had to go over it a few times hehehe |
| 02:35.26 | asg | Noid: yeah, one of my favorites besides '...under the stairs in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard!"' |
| 02:35.27 | deadcat | KrOnOs: that was at 18:31 hour |
| 02:35.43 | za | scarynetworkguy, If you want to continue this conversation, lets do it in private. |
| 02:35.43 | greycat | kerpal23_: you can't even BUY scsi disks smaller than 36 GB today. |
| 02:35.44 | deadcat | manual_overide: DONT msg me either. read the fucking topic fucker |
| 02:35.55 | greycat | kerpal23_: or IDE ones under about 60 GB |
| 02:36.02 | manual_overide | deadcat: h4w |
| 02:36.05 | greycat | kerpal23_: so how is "double the storage space" an issue? |
| 02:36.06 | manual_overide | heh |
| 02:36.09 | kerpal23_ | but really the second reason is when backing up a linux f.s. onto fat32 or something.. first im looking for some compress file that you can mount in linux and hope thier is a port in win. |
| 02:36.19 | za | scarynetworkguy, don't CAPS me. And don't verbally abuse me in a channel to which are conversation is totally OT. |
| 02:36.19 | dan2 | asg: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/libraries/base/Control.Concurrent.html#v%3AforkIO |
| 02:36.25 | asg | dan2: ah |
| 02:36.34 | dan2 | asg: its the nice threading api, very very simple, nice to use |
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| 02:36.48 | Noid | asg: hahaha... one of my favorites is the "why are they called Perfectly Normal Beasts?" dialog |
| 02:36.53 | scarynetworkguy | asg: heh |
| 02:36.55 | asg | dan2: cool |
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| 02:37.05 | asg | Noid: :) |
| 02:37.07 | greycat | !tell l_i_l_o about msg |
| 02:37.09 | dan2 | asg: and a completely compatible BSD and Haskell network sockets library |
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| 02:37.16 | greycat | Is it "Don't read the guidelines, just /msg everyone" night? |
| 02:37.33 | manual_overide | :P |
| 02:37.35 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: no just permasunday :| |
| 02:37.57 | kerpal23_ | this isn't a really big deal conversation, where i need tar.gz due to filesystems incomptabilites i can just ssh tar it, yet rsync would be better when i have to do it over and over and over and onver again.. |
| 02:38.02 | robl|lt | What .deb provides equiv-builds? I'm trying to install java "the debian way", but I don't know how to find equiv-builds. |
| 02:38.11 | asg | !kick manual_overide |
| 02:38.13 | scarynetworkguy | asg: lucky you. BTW way .us $1,000 enough for that drive? |
| 02:38.14 | manual_overide | heh |
| 02:38.15 | asg | !win manual_overide |
| 02:38.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, manual_overide! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:38.22 | manual_overide | w00t |
| 02:38.23 | greycat | robl|lt: you want mpkg-j2se |
| 02:38.36 | robl|lt | greycat, thanks :) |
| 02:38.47 | asg | scarynetworkguy: more than, I have to erase the s3kr3t C0ke recipe first though |
| 02:38.50 | manual_overide | robl|lt: you can always check out debian.org and search the contents of packages |
| 02:38.55 | greycat | robl|lt: the one you were *thinking* of was equivs, but that's not as good in this case |
| 02:39.04 | dan2 | asg: you should try out haskell |
| 02:39.05 | scarynetworkguy | asg: coolness :) |
| 02:39.12 | greycat | manual_overide: unfortunately he misspelled the command name |
| 02:39.34 | kerpal23_ | whats the difference between a mounted .gz [theoritical] and cloop[real world] |
| 02:39.37 | manual_overide | well, that's a pebcak isn't it? |
| 02:39.40 | asg | dan2: I'm currently coding in PHP4, Python, Perl, Java, and sh. I don't need another language :) |
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| 02:39.58 | dan2 | asg: scratch off perl, its not good for your health |
| 02:40.00 | dan2 | ;) |
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| 02:40.09 | asg | dan2: bah, Perl is the only thing that keeps me sane |
| 02:40.12 | asg | dan2: hehe |
| 02:40.14 | za | !za is also <scarynetworkguy> za: yes yes it was you. BTW DON"T EVER MESSAGE ME AGAIN YOU FUCKHEAD |
| 02:40.14 | dpkg | okay, za |
| 02:40.15 | greycat | perl is a drug |
| 02:40.19 | kerpal23_ | asg: learn c and java man.. :) |
| 02:40.31 | Fluten | is hdparm -S the correct way to have a hard drive spin down after being idle? |
| 02:40.32 | dan2 | asg: since when did you start doing java? |
| 02:40.34 | asg | kerpal23_: I have, too heavy for quick hacks though |
| 02:40.36 | manual_overide | s/drug/piece of crap/ |
| 02:40.44 | Fluten | since i've been using this in my router, and squid will stop loading a page for a while |
| 02:40.50 | za | Fluten, see y and Y also |
| 02:40.51 | Fluten | until i go to every drive, and get it to wake up |
| 02:41.00 | kerpal23_ | asg: man it sucks when your just a quick and dirty hacker ;) |
| 02:41.01 | robl|lt | greycat, is mpkg-j2se in a special repo? |
| 02:41.03 | asg | dan2: since we started rolling on a uPortal solution |
| 02:41.03 | Fluten | za, setting a standby timeout for them |
| 02:41.03 | toresbe | !toresbe |
| 02:41.03 | dpkg | it has been said that toresbe is a retrogeek |
| 02:41.12 | cheeseballs40 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.12 | greycat | robl|lt: oh god, please don't tell me you're on woody... |
| 02:41.17 | za | Fluten, yeah then, S |
| 02:41.19 | asg | kerpal23_: it pays the bills and give me more time to fool around on irc :) |
| 02:41.20 | toresbe | !toresbe is also an insane coder of COBOL |
| 02:41.20 | dpkg | toresbe: okay |
| 02:41.23 | dan2 | asg: Java->CL->Haskell! |
| 02:41.29 | greycat | !info mpkg-j2se sarge |
| 02:41.33 | greycat | fuck. |
| 02:41.35 | greycat | !info mpkg-j2se sid |
| 02:41.36 | robl|lt | greycat, :) |
| 02:41.39 | dpkg | mpkg-j2se: (A utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 57 kB |
| 02:41.39 | kerpal23_ | asg: paing the bills and being able to irc turns me on :) |
| 02:41.46 | dan2 | greycat: its in contrib, at least it should be |
| 02:41.50 | robl|lt | greycat, I'm on Sarge... should I have it? |
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| 02:41.56 | greycat | well, java is crap, so you'd only want it on a throwaway unstable box anyway |
| 02:42.01 | za | heh |
| 02:42.02 | greycat | robl|lt: see above... |
| 02:42.06 | asg | kerpal23_: indeed, as debstats apparently shows, paying the bills and irc'ing at the same time occur frequently |
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| 02:42.08 | maher | cheeseballs40: you probably have dns problems |
| 02:42.14 | robl|lt | !info mpkg-j2se sarge |
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| 02:42.18 | rich_ | hi |
| 02:42.25 | za | Java 1.5's default *nix look is pretty cool. And the UI is *loads* faster. |
| 02:42.29 | dan2 | robl|lt: it has an rc bug.. its supposed to be in contrib not unstable |
| 02:42.32 | kerpal23_ | wish thier was something that was like cloop but the space for the archive was more dynamic.. |
| 02:42.34 | greycat | za: and the license...? |
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| 02:42.40 | za | greycat, no change. |
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| 02:42.42 | dan2 | za: you can't use java and fast in the same sentence |
| 02:42.50 | za | greycat, looks prettier though. |
| 02:42.52 | kerpal23_ | either that or the rsync group would design tar into the scheme.. ..grr |
| 02:42.58 | za | dan2, :) |
| 02:43.01 | Fluten | would debian recognize a scsi expansion card upon booting up? |
| 02:43.07 | Fluten | to use scsi hard drives in an ide board |
| 02:43.08 | robl|lt | greycat, that info bot was very useful :) I'm just trying to see the streaming video on /. Also, I hate it when things don't work, even if I don't need/want them. |
| 02:43.09 | greycat | Fluten: that's a linux issue. |
| 02:43.09 | za | dan2, 'faster', not 'fast' |
| 02:43.13 | MepisBelle | http://internet.ls-la.net/man-pages/rtfm-2.html |
| 02:43.24 | dan2 | za: you really mean, less like a turtle no? |
| 02:43.27 | robl|lt | greycat, thanks for your help though. |
| 02:43.29 | kerpal23_ | Fluten: hmmm doub't it .. looks like you need a module. |
| 02:43.30 | greycat | za: "less abysmally snail-like"? |
| 02:43.39 | asg | greycat: hahaha |
| 02:43.40 | za | like I said... 'faster' :) |
| 02:43.42 | kerpal23_ | Fluten: it really depends if its os dependent or not. |
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| 02:43.55 | Fluten | hmm, modules needed for ide cards too? |
| 02:44.04 | za | java < 1.5.. even the menu's are slow. |
| 02:44.09 | greycat | "IDE cards". Good god.... |
| 02:44.22 | kerpal23_ | Fluten: some scsi hardware sets inline detween the scsi main card and its devices by hijacking irqs something like that wouldn't need shit. |
| 02:44.25 | za | I have to use some java apps on linux :( (maple, mathematica, matlab...) |
| 02:44.42 | cheeseballs40 | i have a shitty dell ap/gateway. The dhcp is dishing out the public dns servers from my isp. Running ipconfig /all in windows shows dns servers in this order 192.168.1.1 66.90.130.101 66.90.133.117. I know that the dell router is not doing any type of dns proxying. Do you think that could be the problem |
| 02:44.49 | asg | za: 1.0 AWT apps were fastish, things have been going down hill since then |
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| 02:44.54 | abrotman | matlab is java? |
| 02:45.06 | asg | za: though the swt native libs are passable |
| 02:45.06 | kerpal23_ | Fluten: something like a pci card with firewire ports would [likely] need compiled in or modules for that chipset. and all likelyhood already in the kernel. |
| 02:45.14 | maher | cheeseballs40: does dns work from linux |
| 02:45.17 | za | asg, really, the 1.5? UI's seem much, much faster. |
| 02:45.20 | za | abrotman, yeah. |
| 02:45.23 | kerpal23_ | asg: where are the stats? |
| 02:45.26 | za | abrotman, the 'desktop' is. |
| 02:45.38 | asg | !debstats |
| 02:45.38 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 02:45.39 | cheeseballs40 | well I can ping pretty much anything and see a public IP address |
| 02:45.41 | Noid | abrotman: afaik, no |
| 02:45.43 | asg | kerpal23_: ^^^ |
| 02:45.48 | cheeseballs40 | ping via the dns name |
| 02:45.50 | kerpal23_ | cool |
| 02:46.01 | kerpal23_ | !context |
| 02:46.01 | dpkg | i heard context is SCROLL UP, DAMMIT |
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| 02:46.11 | maher | cheeseballs40: so what doesn't work? |
| 02:46.28 | kerpal23_ | My name not thier :( |
| 02:46.30 | kerpal23_ | sad. |
| 02:46.48 | cheeseballs40 | It also happened in Fedora Core 2 tonight. I was getting all kinds of connection refused at about 3/4 the websites I tried to visit. |
| 02:47.13 | Sinistrad | What software is available in unstable for video capture (from i.e.: a Tv tuner (ivtv)) |
| 02:47.24 | kerpal23_ | asg: sniff sniff i didn't make it into the stats.. im here alot annoying ppl right? |
| 02:47.47 | valdyn_ | Sinistrad: xawtv, tvtime |
| 02:48.03 | Sinistrad | valdyn_, thank you |
| 02:48.12 | cheeseballs40 | Running debian the computer seems to connect to a mirror for apt-get but as soon as it trys to update the package list it just sits at 0%. I can go to another terminal, login and ping the same mirror that I am trying to attach to. |
| 02:48.13 | kerpal23_ | Sinistrad: i just got a wintv-ubs2-pvr its fucking sweet |
| 02:48.13 | za | !ConTeXt is also http://www.pragma-ade.nl/ |
| 02:48.13 | dpkg | okay, za |
| 02:48.28 | Sinistrad | kerpal23_, I opted for the pvr-350 :) |
| 02:48.34 | maher | cheeseballs40: what kernel |
| 02:48.43 | kerpal23_ | Sinistrad: pvr2 cause im a laptop |
| 02:48.57 | Sinistrad | kerpal23_, ahh, yeah, I need a PCI->USB adapter for fun... |
| 02:49.16 | kerpal23_ | Sinistrad: good luck with the V4L drivers.. all the haupage drivers are like alpha (afaik) |
| 02:49.21 | za | !hug scarynetworkguy |
| 02:49.33 | cheeseballs40 | 2.6.7 on debian 2.6.5 on fedora. I used to have a gentoo box that was running 2.4.? and did not have any trouble but that was on a ipcop firewall. |
| 02:49.35 | abrotman | !hug my mom |
| 02:49.46 | Sinistrad | kerpal23_, I've successfully loaded the 2.6 ivtv modules...so I'm hoping it works now :) |
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| 02:49.56 | cheeseballs40 | That firewall was doing dhcp proxying. |
| 02:49.57 | kerpal23_ | Sinistrad: cool. |
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| 02:50.14 | cheeseballs40 | I am going to look through the settings on the dell router again. |
| 02:50.21 | maher | cheeseballs40: well - it could be many things - recent kernels are meant to have problems with some routers |
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| 02:50.32 | Phill | how do i install a package from a .deb file? |
| 02:50.33 | greycat | maher: but not 2.6.{5,7} |
| 02:50.40 | greycat | Phill: dpkg -i |
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| 02:50.40 | manual_overide | Phill: rtfm |
| 02:50.47 | maher | greycat: ok - i dunno exactly which |
| 02:50.47 | Phill | thanks greycat |
| 02:50.50 | greycat | manual_overide: please specify which FM |
| 02:50.50 | manual_overide | i've always wanted to say that |
| 02:50.54 | manual_overide | heh |
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| 02:51.01 | Sinistrad | kerpal23_, I'll eventually be using knoppmyth for it, but it seems knoppmyth requires a lame disc partitioning scheme before it will install, and I haven't boguht my disc yet :( |
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| 02:51.04 | kerpal23_ | watching the sept11 shit really pisses you off.. fucking especially what bush administration done to clark, and saing i hate kerry more , makes me hate the state of politics in the u.s. </end of rant> |
| 02:51.08 | cheeseballs40 | Any documentation that I could look through on this problem? |
| 02:51.08 | asg | kerpal23_: new month, check last month's |
| 02:51.08 | Phill | how endearing |
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| 02:51.17 | kerpal23_ | asg cool |
| 02:51.29 | greycat | cheeseballs40: try a different router/firewall and see if it still occurs |
| 02:51.48 | cheeseballs40 | A couple days ago was the first time I tried a 2.6 kernel and that is when the problem showed up. |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | asg: are you water? |
| 02:51.55 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 02:51.55 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 02:52.01 | exobyte | I'm trying to run Xvfb, but I'm getting this error: could not open default font 'fixed'; |
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| 02:52.11 | mackid | DEBIAN! |
| 02:52.14 | mackid | :P |
| 02:52.14 | greycat | exobyte: install x-window-system-core |
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| 02:52.30 | exobyte | greycat: how big is it? is it all of x? |
| 02:52.32 | nevyn | does anyone know how to get a usb orinoco working in linux? |
| 02:52.35 | za | apt, love mackid |
| 02:52.37 | apt | If you love mackid so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 02:52.44 | mackid | lol |
| 02:53.09 | greycat | apt's been hanging around the pre-adolescent crowd again |
| 02:53.15 | za | nevyn, a USB one? Sounds like fun. |
| 02:53.29 | cheeseballs40 | The dell router is running firmware from sparklan. Maybe I sould go back to the dell firmware? |
| 02:53.43 | mackid | in the course i'm taking, they don't even COVER debian |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | !usb wireless |
| 02:53.46 | dan2 | apt, love apt |
| 02:53.49 | apt | If you love apt so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 02:53.49 | za | poor apt |
| 02:53.54 | mackid | just RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0 |
| 02:53.55 | mackid | bah... |
| 02:54.01 | maher | cheeseballs40: you install random firmware on your router and then it doesn't work? surprise! |
| 02:54.03 | kerpal23_ | asg: can't find me in their :( |
| 02:54.07 | kerpal23_ | asg: oh well. |
| 02:54.18 | za | mackid, Debian Enterprise GNU/Linux rocks |
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| 02:54.41 | mackid | i'm sure it does, za.. but that isn't RedHat Enterprise is it? |
| 02:54.44 | cheeseballs40 | It is working better than it was before. With the dell firmware it crashed constantly. With this firmware it has been up solid for two weeks. |
| 02:54.45 | mackid | it's different |
| 02:54.51 | megatronx | anyone have debian installed on a laptop? |
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| 02:54.56 | greycat | Debian Core Enterprise GNU/Linux Stage 3 |
| 02:54.59 | kerpal23_ | megatronx: yep |
| 02:54.59 | Sinistrad | kerpal23_, by "successfully loaded the module" it seems I failed in that success -- I got an error when it looked for the firmware or something (/lib/modules/ivtv-fw-enc.bin) ... |
| 02:55.04 | maher | cheeseballs40: send it back to dell and buy a router that works? |
| 02:55.07 | za | no es lo mismo |
| 02:55.09 | cheeseballs40 | I guess I shoud use the word "solid" light ly |
| 02:55.24 | megatronx | did you use the 3.0 r2? |
| 02:55.30 | Sinistrad | kerpal23_, oh, nevermind probably --- seems it's in the faq...I'm just a loser who doesn't read docs :) |
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| 02:55.54 | mackid | can i put debian on my iBook? |
| 02:55.55 | mackid | :D |
| 02:56.03 | za | mackid, yup. |
| 02:56.08 | greycat | mackid: sure, but ask #debianppc for details |
| 02:56.11 | mackid | not that i'd want to.. Mac OS X's BSD core is too kickass. |
| 02:56.12 | mackid | :P |
| 02:56.17 | za | mackid, I have it on my ibook anyway... |
| 02:56.20 | mackid | unless i could dualboot |
| 02:56.24 | kerpal23_ | Sinistrad: yeah well I know thier is support for my dev but it had't [a few months ago] have support for xawtv and other tv apps, it required its own player [temporarily] i am not sure what the pci 350 is looking like.. |
| 02:56.26 | kerpal23_ | Sinistrad: cool. |
| 02:56.36 | mackid | but i only have a 30gig hard drive and it's 28GB full of the OS and music and crap |
| 02:56.40 | Derek__ | is it safe to change partitions? |
| 02:56.55 | Derek__ | my windows takes up the whole 60 gigs but i want to install debian |
| 02:56.56 | greycat | !IYHTAYS |
| 02:56.56 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 02:56.59 | cheeseballs40 | My roomate bought it at a discount electronics store. I was worried about that damn thing from the get go. Well ho hmmm more work for me. |
| 02:57.02 | megatronx | man i've been trying to get debian installed on my hp pavilion zv5000 (AMD 64) and have no clue on how to get windowmaker installed. |
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| 02:57.18 | abrotman | you got debian isntalled .. but can't get windowmaker installed? |
| 02:57.24 | za | OSX is funny. 90% of the OS is OSS. apache/cups/samba/bash/kernel... |
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| 02:57.25 | greycat | megatronx: apt-get install wmaker |
| 02:57.43 | mackid | well, za, you need a kernal |
| 02:57.47 | megatronx | ok now how can i get it to run if damn x fails |
| 02:57.48 | mackid | kernel =-o |
| 02:57.56 | mackid | holy shit, the unpardonable typo |
| 02:58.00 | cheeseballs40 | If i get the new router working how to I reconfigure apt-get to setup it up for ftp again. |
| 02:58.04 | za | mackid, heh :) |
| 02:58.06 | cheeseballs40 | If i get the new router working how to I reconfigure apt-get to setup it up for ftp again? |
| 02:58.10 | mackid | and bash is necessary as well |
| 02:58.22 | greycat | why the fuck would you use ftp? |
| 02:58.25 | greycat | cheeseballs40: apt-setup |
| 02:58.45 | megatronx | http is better than ftp? |
| 02:58.51 | za | That poor MS company should ship their distro with apache/samba/cups/a shell/. |
| 02:58.58 | cheeseballs40 | easy enough. Ok I will setup using http. |
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| 02:59.49 | za | mackid, then port that pretty gl UI to X :) |
| 03:00.03 | mackid | za lol |
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| 03:00.13 | mackid | that would be hard. but really, why not OS X? |
| 03:00.22 | mackid | debian is great, but what can you do with it that you can't do with OS X? |
| 03:00.33 | za | mackid, the opposite holds too |
| 03:00.33 | exobyte | greycat: you see my question? |
| 03:00.36 | mackid | OS X is basically FreeBSD with a kickass GUI and a bunch of extra stuff |
| 03:00.37 | greycat | mackid: upgrade for free... |
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| 03:00.44 | za | mackid, don't mention iTunes :) |
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| 03:00.51 | mackid | i was just going to say that, LOL |
| 03:00.58 | abrotman | mackid: that's debatable .. i don't like the OSX gui |
| 03:01.02 | greycat | exobyte: you could have just TRIED IT and received your answer immediately. |
| 03:01.07 | mackid | there is *not* a good jukebox for X |
| 03:01.09 | mackid | there isn't. |
| 03:01.12 | greycat | exobyte: I'm not going to go add up the damned sizes for you |
| 03:01.20 | mackid | XMMS is a media player, but it doesn't organize your music |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | mackid: does this look like #osx or #opendarwin? |
| 03:01.40 | mackid | what, i'm comparing OS X to debian |
| 03:01.41 | megatronx | in xmms you can do that yourself. |
| 03:01.49 | mackid | does this have to be a complete debian-only chat? |
| 03:01.49 | za | mackid, the new xorg xserver means X is capable of a just as pretty desktop as OSX has. |
| 03:01.54 | greycat | it also doesn't rename all your files without your consent |
| 03:02.05 | exobyte | greycat: ok- so it's 16mb. I'm guessing it's a lot |
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| 03:02.06 | greycat | mackid: YES, it does. That's why it's called #debian. |
| 03:02.06 | mackid | greycat you can tell it not too |
| 03:02.09 | za | mackid, and stuff like http://wwws.sun.com/software/looking_glass/ looks fun too |
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| 03:02.20 | bradley | hello, im wondering how to confiure automount under debian |
| 03:02.26 | mackid | yeah za!! i've seen that.. totally cool |
| 03:02.38 | za | mackid, make a #debian-osx :) |
| 03:02.42 | mackid | lol |
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| 03:02.49 | rich_ | mackid I have a good jukebox, it goes like this ; export SONG="`ls ~/Video/Music|rl -c 1`";mv ~/Video/Music/"$SONG" ~/Video/Juked/;/usr/local/bin/mplayer -really-quiet -nocache -vo xvidix -ao oss -colorkey 0x000000 ~/Video/Juked/"$SONG" > /dev/null |
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| 03:03.07 | za | oh dear |
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| 03:03.14 | mwilson | zoob zoob zoob |
| 03:03.23 | mackid | abrotman: you can change the OS X GUI if you want. there is an easy way to do it with a little add-on |
| 03:03.24 | za | wow |
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| 03:03.38 | abrotman | mackid: OSX sucks .. it's a piece of shit |
| 03:03.39 | za | mackid lol |
| 03:03.40 | genixpro | hello, im wondering how to configure automount under debian |
| 03:03.42 | mackid | lol rich_ |
| 03:03.45 | greycat | rich_: what is "rl"? |
| 03:03.52 | za | !rl |
| 03:03.53 | dpkg | methinks rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm). Conways game using only rational numbers |
| 03:03.53 | SerajewelKS | since the people in #debian-kde aren't awake, i'll ask here: what package do i need to get for the "Themes" kcontrol module to appear? |
| 03:03.55 | za | :) |
| 03:04.32 | duncf | za: that doesn't seem to help :-( |
| 03:04.34 | toresbe | HHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAA |
| 03:04.35 | toresbe | http://www.dubyaspeak.com/images/segway.jpg |
| 03:04.55 | Sinistrad | yeah, you'd never see the libertarian candidate falling off a segway. |
| 03:05.00 | mackid | LOL |
| 03:05.02 | rich_ | greycat Its a program that randomises lines. I think it came in the randomize-lines package |
| 03:05.04 | megatronx | speaking of kde if i do apt-get for kde, gnome, or windowmaker will it get the latest ver.? |
| 03:05.10 | toresbe | "You have to turn it on," explained Segway spokeswoman Stacy Ferguson, whose office had spoken to White House officials after the incident. |
| 03:05.19 | mwilson | megatronx: No. |
| 03:05.20 | za | toresbe, oh dear :) |
| 03:05.27 | mackid | pfft toresbe |
| 03:05.38 | mackid | i love IRC. it's so anti-bush. |
| 03:05.43 | za | That reminds me, I have the last episode of 24 series 3 to watch |
| 03:05.48 | abrotman | megatronx: you get whatever is in the version of debian you're using |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | mackid: no . the world is anti-bush |
| 03:05.58 | greycat | za: shouldn't they call it "72" or something? |
| 03:06.14 | za | greycat, good point :) |
| 03:06.22 | megatronx | i have the debian 3.0 r2 disc. |
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| 03:06.33 | toresbe | mackid: Well, most of the world is, except for a few hardcore fundamentalist conservatives in the US. |
| 03:06.35 | za | greycat, this last series has put me off it anyway. |
| 03:06.41 | SerajewelKS | anyone, anyone at all? |
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| 03:07.06 | megatronx | so then i have to downloads the packages to update the gui then? |
| 03:07.10 | Hiryu | how do I set the font my gtk2 apps use when in KDE? |
| 03:07.23 | toresbe | mackid: And it's not ANTI-BUSH when the guy gets up on a segway without turning the damned thing on - - I'd laugh if it were Michael Moore or Linus Torvalds. |
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| 03:07.33 | za | !gtk2 font |
| 03:07.34 | dpkg | hmm... gtk2 font is to change the default font, add something like "gtk-font-name = "Verdana 12"" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 03:07.44 | za | !factinfo gtk2 font |
| 03:07.44 | dpkg | gtk2 font -- created by za <~za@m45-mp1.cvx2-a.lee.dial.ntli.net> at Mon Oct 21 16:00:10 2002 (690 days); it has been requested 10 times, last by za, 11s ago. |
| 03:07.52 | Hiryu | za: it doesn't work at all |
| 03:07.56 | mackid | true toresbe, but it's funnier *because* it's bush |
| 03:07.58 | mackid | hahah |
| 03:08.00 | mwilson | Hiryu: Except that it does, of course. |
| 03:08.01 | za | It used to :( |
| 03:08.08 | Hiryu | za: The most I can do is change the font size, and only mozilla seems the difference, and not very well |
| 03:08.09 | za | requested 10 times in 690 days :( |
| 03:08.34 | za | Hiryu, try the #debian-kde guys? |
| 03:08.39 | SerajewelKS | what package provides the "theme" module for kcontrol? |
| 03:08.50 | SerajewelKS | za, screw #debian-kde, no one's awake |
| 03:08.53 | Hiryu | za: guess I'll have to |
| 03:08.57 | Hiryu | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 03:09.02 | za | try #kde then? |
| 03:09.13 | greycat | or try fvwm? :) |
| 03:09.25 | mwilson | za: Or he could just do it correctly, I suppose. |
| 03:09.36 | za | mwilson, explain |
| 03:09.38 | js | wa up |
| 03:09.40 | za | mwilson, please? |
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| 03:10.14 | mwilson | za: What's to explain? You told him how to do it, he whines that it doesn't work, so he's doing it wrong. 'Nuff said. |
| 03:10.20 | tct | I know most of the people using linux have broadband, but I have dialup and my modem supports modem on hold and none of the dialers i have seen for linux (kppp etc) have modem on hold, anyone know how I would get this working in linux? |
| 03:10.33 | za | mwilson, ahh, misunderstood |
| 03:10.40 | exobyte | greycat: I installed all the fonts deps of that pkg. thx for pointing me at it |
| 03:10.40 | mwilson | tct: When did most Linux users start getting broadband? |
| 03:11.03 | Lilguy | Hi all, first timer here. Impressive channel size :) |
| 03:11.14 | KrOnOs | when i do "locate" how can i make it display the results page by page? |
| 03:11.30 | mwilson | KrOnOs: pipe it through a pager. |
| 03:11.37 | SerajewelKS | KrOnOs, | less |
| 03:11.51 | tct | mwilson: thats the impression I got, anyway do you know how to get modem on hold working? |
| 03:12.19 | Lilguy | Could someone tell me how to find out how much space is available on the various partitions for linux? |
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| 03:12.47 | Lilguy | I seem to be out of space in my /var/lib dir :( |
| 03:12.52 | SerajewelKS | Lilguy, type 'df' in a console |
| 03:12.55 | aldug | does anyone here use an audigy 2ZS sound card under linux? |
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| 03:12.59 | deepfrze | Lilguy, df |
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| 03:13.08 | Lilguy | thx SerajewelLKS |
| 03:13.14 | Lilguy | thx deepfrze |
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| 03:13.22 | mackid | df -H for it in MB and GB |
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| 03:13.56 | fourth | Hey, Does Anyone Know A Useful apt-get command, besides apt-get update?? |
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| 03:14.01 | Lilguy | Ouch... |
| 03:14.10 | mwilson | fourth: Useful for what? |
| 03:14.12 | abrotman | fourth: uhm .. apt-get install blah |
| 03:14.13 | Guerin | tct: generally those features are supported in software, and as such may not work well in linux-based systems unless the vendor has made code available to write drivers from. |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | apt-get clean |
| 03:14.17 | fourth | starting out |
| 03:14.18 | abrotman | apt-get remove |
| 03:14.21 | Guerin | tct: which I expect very few of them do. |
| 03:14.23 | mwilson | fourth: And why don't you just read the man page? |
| 03:14.23 | abrotman | like ... man apt-get ? |
| 03:14.37 | fourth | never tried, thx |
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| 03:15.16 | Lilguy | 1% available in /var, 3% in / and 25% in /usr |
| 03:15.33 | Lilguy | Doesn't seem right, I didn't think I'd installed that much on the 40Gig drive... |
| 03:16.18 | Superfrog | Could someone explain to me hd devices in /dev are to be interpreted? For example my root filesystem is disk hdb2 and its is primary slave in my system. If I changed it to Primasry Master in my system, what would the device name be? (I really need to know because if I change device and reboot it wont be able to mount if it is trying to mount from wrong device) |
| 03:16.22 | za | This months ACM Crossroads looks good. 'Computer security'. |
| 03:16.23 | SerajewelKS | what does the left-hand column of 'dpkg -l' mean? |
| 03:16.43 | za | Superfrog, hda |
| 03:16.46 | SerajewelKS | Superfrog, /dev/hdb2 would move to /dev/hda2 |
| 03:16.59 | SerajewelKS | Superfrog, /dev/hda is primary master, hdb is primary slave |
| 03:16.59 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: What does the man page say it means? |
| 03:17.14 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, the manpage says nothing on that topic, of course |
| 03:17.19 | Superfrog | Why the "2" in the end of the devie name... whaat does it mean? |
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| 03:17.27 | SerajewelKS | Superfrog, partition 2 |
| 03:17.31 | tct | I dont know if they made it available, but even so wouldnt I have to enable it in the driver? I had to compile the drivers myself and its a winmodem |
| 03:17.32 | Superfrog | ohh |
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| 03:17.35 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: the output of dpkg -l clearly states it |
| 03:17.38 | za | Superfrog, if you partition the drive, thats it's number |
| 03:17.44 | Guerin | tct: hahaha |
| 03:17.47 | Superfrog | oh! :D |
| 03:17.50 | za | hi Guerin |
| 03:17.53 | Superfrog | thats very logic |
| 03:17.56 | Guerin | tct: "good luck" is all I can say. |
| 03:18.03 | tct | Guerin: ? |
| 03:18.04 | za | Superfrog, you don't have to partition it of course... |
| 03:18.05 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, ah i was grepping the output |
| 03:18.10 | Superfrog | za SerajewelKS thanks |
| 03:18.11 | tct | 0_o |
| 03:18.17 | mwilson | Guerin: You're asking an awful lot there, that someone actually read. |
| 03:18.28 | SerajewelKS | KDE 3 uses QT 2? |
| 03:18.33 | Guerin | !tell tct about winmodems |
| 03:18.48 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: It does? |
| 03:19.02 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, according to dpkg -l QT3 is not installed, but QT2 is |
| 03:19.03 | Guerin | za: top o' the morning to ye |
| 03:19.05 | tct | the same way the dialer can turn down the speaker volume |
| 03:19.07 | za | :) |
| 03:19.14 | tct | it can turn on the modem on hold |
| 03:19.15 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: If you say so. |
| 03:19.23 | exobyte | I have a system with an ip between 10.0.0.0. and 10.0.255.255. Any ideas how to figure it out |
| 03:19.28 | Guerin | tct: if you have the right driver. Do you? |
| 03:19.37 | SerajewelKS | rc libqt3 3.0.3-20020329-1 Qt GUI Library (runtime version). |
| 03:19.42 | Guerin | exobyte: ifconfig? |
| 03:19.47 | SerajewelKS | ii libqt2 2.3.2-14 Qt GUI Library (runtime version) |
| 03:19.55 | exobyte | Guerin: don't have access |
| 03:19.56 | cheeseballs40 | must I use ifconfig to configure the netcard or is there a net setup utility in debian I can use to set the card to a static IP instead of dhcp? |
| 03:20.11 | Guerin | exobyte: then you don't have an ip address on an if in that machine. |
| 03:20.12 | LSorensen | cheeseballs40: man interfaces |
| 03:20.15 | Superfrog | Is there someway to ibstruct the system to boot another device if I get a kernel panic if I would enter the wrong root device to mount in mtab? |
| 03:20.18 | tct | If I didnt have the right driver I wouldnt be talking to you from linux now |
| 03:20.24 | LSorensen | cheeseballs40: you simply add entries to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:20.33 | Lilguy | Ok, I guess I read that wrong...only 1% of my /var directory is actually being used, but when I try to install MySql-server, it tells me it doesn't have enough space in /var/lib/mysql ...Strange... |
| 03:20.36 | LSorensen | Superfrog: you don't edit mtag |
| 03:20.38 | LSorensen | er mtab |
| 03:20.44 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, how else can you interpret those lines? |
| 03:20.45 | Superfrog | LSorensen: no? |
| 03:20.48 | LSorensen | Superfrog: never |
| 03:20.49 | Guerin | Superfrog: sure. look at the root= and init= kernel parameters in your lilo or grub config |
| 03:20.55 | LSorensen | Superfrog: fstab yes, mtab no |
| 03:21.08 | LSorensen | Superfrog: root is set by the boot loader |
| 03:21.09 | cheeseballs40 | thanks Ill be back if I run into trouble! |
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| 03:21.38 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: I interpret the first as you not having a package by that name installed. I interpret the second as you *do* have a package by that name installed. Neither says anything about KDE. |
| 03:21.59 | exobyte | Guerin: it has an ip, I just don't know it |
| 03:22.11 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 03:22.15 | SerajewelKS | i'm using KDE 3.2 |
| 03:22.18 | Superfrog | So, If I want to swap the device to boot I really want to be able to edit settings in lilo when I reboot (after having swapped primary slave to primary master) |
| 03:22.20 | SerajewelKS | and QT2 is installed |
| 03:22.23 | Guerin | exobyte: how do you know it has an ip if it's not showing in ifconfig? |
| 03:22.33 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Yes, a version of QT2 is installed. |
| 03:22.42 | exobyte | Guerin: I'm just hoping it booted |
| 03:22.43 | LSorensen | Superfrog: or just add root=blah to the command prompt of lilo |
| 03:22.44 | SerajewelKS | okay... but doesn't KDE 3 use QT 3? |
| 03:22.49 | SerajewelKS | when i go to |
| 03:22.51 | SerajewelKS | 'apt-get install libqt3 libqt3-mt' |
| 03:22.53 | Guerin | Superfrog: yes. Hold shift to interrupt lilo and get a prompt |
| 03:22.59 | SerajewelKS | it says it's going to uninstall pretty much all of KDE |
| 03:23.00 | LSorensen | Superfrog: you can override the lilo settings at the lilo prompt |
| 03:23.04 | Superfrog | oh |
| 03:23.10 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Yes, I would expect so. |
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| 03:23.14 | Superfrog | LSorensen: root=blah? :) |
| 03:23.19 | za | !grub |
| 03:23.19 | dpkg | somebody said grub was [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 03:23.21 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: look at the dependencies list for your version of KDE and you'll find the answer. p.d.o is your friend. |
| 03:23.28 | LSorensen | Superfrog: yes assuming blah is your root device name? |
| 03:23.30 | LSorensen | :) |
| 03:23.31 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Installing random conflicting packages is seldom a good thing. |
| 03:23.38 | Superfrog | oh |
| 03:23.46 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: sarge? |
| 03:23.53 | LSorensen | Superfrog: root=/dev/hda1 for example |
| 03:23.53 | za | grub isn't gonna be on the sarge d.o I guess |
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| 03:24.01 | LSorensen | za: d.o? |
| 03:24.02 | Guerin | za: yeah, it is. |
| 03:24.04 | ZackB | how i change the dir where the user logs into the ftp? i used adduser to make a user. |
| 03:24.09 | Abel` | how can i install java ? |
| 03:24.14 | LSorensen | za: grub is the default on sarge. lilo is an option in expert mode |
| 03:24.16 | Guerin | !tell Abel` about java |
| 03:24.20 | mwilson | Guerin: Might be unstable, too. |
| 03:24.23 | za | LSorensen, s/d.o./debian installer (d.i.)/ |
| 03:24.25 | SerajewelKS | odd |
| 03:24.31 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Hardly. |
| 03:24.33 | SerajewelKS | kdebase doesn't even depend on ANY version of QT |
| 03:24.34 | za | cool :) |
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| 03:24.44 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, but it depends on packages which do. |
| 03:25.03 | za | poor LILO, hahaha |
| 03:25.07 | LSorensen | za: and update-grub is VERY nice |
| 03:25.08 | ZackB | how do i change the users dir from home/user to var/www ? |
| 03:25.19 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: bear in mind that kde is horribly broken at least in sarge, right now. It might be in sid too. |
| 03:25.37 | LSorensen | Guerin: it is? I must not have logged out in a while |
| 03:25.39 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 03:25.43 | mwilson | Guerin: What do you think he's using for a regexp that he's managing to find libqt2 and libqt3, and still miss the actual QT3 package? |
| 03:25.44 | SerajewelKS | kdelibs4 depends on libqt3c102-mt |
| 03:25.48 | Guerin | ZackB: you read the apache documentation, where it is very clearly explained, then you follow the instructions, and failing that, you ask in #apache. |
| 03:25.53 | za | LSorensen, I'm off looking :) |
| 03:26.03 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, i'm using '*qt*' thank you very much |
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| 03:26.07 | Guerin | mwilson: no idea. |
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| 03:26.19 | toresbe | Allright, then |
| 03:26.20 | Phill | is there an easy way to remove a large bunch of packages? like i want to remove everything x related |
| 03:26.21 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: What's that supposed to do? |
| 03:26.22 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: try dpkg -l |grep qt |
| 03:26.23 | SerajewelKS | .*qt.* too |
| 03:26.27 | SerajewelKS | lol |
| 03:26.31 | LSorensen | Phill: apt-get remove xlibs |
| 03:26.32 | SerajewelKS | Guerin, that's what i WAS doing |
| 03:26.39 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I know it should be the same, but apparently it isn't always. |
| 03:26.40 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Unlikely. |
| 03:26.41 | tct | ... |
| 03:26.55 | LSorensen | Phill: that should get most of it |
| 03:26.57 | toresbe | Signing off for tonight |
| 03:26.57 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, unlikely what |
| 03:27.00 | Guerin | Phill: aptitude, dselect. |
| 03:27.04 | Phill | LSorensen, thanks, trying it now... |
| 03:27.22 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: The problem is obviously PEBKAC. |
| 03:27.23 | Guerin | Phill: --purge as well |
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| 03:27.31 | Phill | --purge ? |
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| 03:27.35 | za | I knew it. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/10/computers_make_you_sick/ |
| 03:27.39 | Guerin | Phill: nuke the config files too |
| 03:27.42 | Phill | apt-get remove xlibs --purge? |
| 03:27.43 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, pardon? |
| 03:27.48 | LSorense | Phill: yeah |
| 03:27.51 | Guerin | Phill: otherwise all those apps will leave cruft in your computer |
| 03:28.00 | Superfrog | Hmm... I have a "delay 20" in my lilo.conf but lilo still starts working instantly..? |
| 03:28.07 | Phill | cool, trying that |
| 03:28.09 | LSorensen | Guerin: just a few config files. you can always check for removed but not purged packages later and clean those out |
| 03:28.17 | LSorensen | Superfrog: no prompt? |
| 03:28.26 | Lilguy | Anyone know why I would get a "not enough space in /var/lib/mysql" when I'm trying to install MySQL ? df says that I'm using !% of /var |
| 03:28.28 | kaplanfx | anyone tried to use azurues on unstable? with any java 1.4.x or 1.5.x? |
| 03:28.37 | Guerin | LSorensen: true. I'm obsessive about such things though. |
| 03:28.41 | za | knew also: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/16/net_smut_ok/ |
| 03:28.45 | kaplanfx | im trying to figure out if I am having an azureus bug or debian bug |
| 03:28.56 | kaplanfx | oh I meant azureus above, sorry about the bad spelling |
| 03:29.04 | LSorensen | kaplanfx: what is it? |
| 03:29.20 | LSorensen | kaplanfx: I tend to believe: java == bad |
| 03:29.32 | Guerin | azureus is a bittorrent client |
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| 03:29.34 | SerajewelKS | i don't see any "main qt package" here besides libqt3 |
| 03:29.38 | Superfrog | LSorensen: no... no menu with alternatives to boot pops up |
| 03:29.40 | LSorensen | Guerin: use bittornado |
| 03:29.44 | Guerin | I used it for a while, but it was a ramm hog |
| 03:29.55 | LSorensen | Superfrog: it should give a prompt, menu is another lilo option |
| 03:29.56 | Guerin | LSorensen: so I changed to bittornado :) |
| 03:30.03 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Despite actually knowing the name of the package. <sigh> |
| 03:30.15 | SerajewelKS | you mean libqt3c102-mt? |
| 03:30.19 | za | LSorense, mono too ? |
| 03:30.20 | LSorensen | Guerin: java apps tend to be ram hogs. at work with have a java based network management tool. takes between 512 and 1024M to run |
| 03:30.27 | Guerin | yikes |
| 03:30.32 | LSorensen | za: no need to emulate MS inventions |
| 03:30.37 | kaplanfx | LSorensen: nah man java does = bad, unfortunately azureus = way better than any other bittorrent client. Therefore a compromise has to be made |
| 03:30.41 | Guerin | yeah, I've heard about that |
| 03:30.41 | LSorensen | za: I won't even install .net on windows machines |
| 03:30.46 | mwilson | Wow, he finally started paying attention to his own voice. |
| 03:30.51 | LSorensen | kaplanfx: I like bittornado |
| 03:30.52 | kaplanfx | Guerin: you using it? |
| 03:31.09 | LSorensen | kaplanfx: espacially having btlaunchmanycurses running pointing at a dir I just dump .torrent files intpo |
| 03:31.11 | Guerin | kaplanfx: no, for the reasons above. I suggest bittornado's btlaunchmanycurses. |
| 03:31.12 | deadcat | LSorensen: whats so good about bittornado compare to bittorent |
| 03:31.24 | LSorensen | deadcat: it works well, it's simple to use. |
| 03:31.24 | kaplanfx | Guerin: what is that? |
| 03:31.30 | za | LSorensen, the 'Empowering users to create their own software solutions' thing doesn't strike you as attractive either? |
| 03:31.31 | deadcat | LSorensen: ok |
| 03:31.36 | Guerin | kaplanfx: it's a bittorrent client |
| 03:31.37 | kaplanfx | Guerin: I usually use btdownloadgui |
| 03:31.40 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: the defacto method to deal with multiple .torrents. |
| 03:31.44 | kaplanfx | ah |
| 03:31.50 | LSorensen | deadcat: the curses overview autolauncher/manager is nice |
| 03:31.51 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, instead of being sarcastic and cryptic you could try helping in the future |
| 03:31.53 | kaplanfx | its ncurses based I assume? |
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| 03:31.56 | Guerin | kaplanfx: why? All you get is an ugly gui with a cancel box. |
| 03:32.00 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: btlaunchmanycurses --max-upload-rate 100 . |
| 03:32.07 | dondelelcaro | or whatever is appropriate... |
| 03:32.12 | kaplanfx | Guerin: cause I didn't know about that other thing |
| 03:32.20 | LSorensen | kaplanfx: you can tell btlaunchmany how much up/down bandwidth to use for the torrents combined and it divices it out in a sensible way |
| 03:32.26 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: hmm, its part of the bittorrnado package? |
| 03:32.27 | Guerin | kaplanfx: try it out, it's the shit. |
| 03:32.30 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: yes. |
| 03:32.42 | kaplanfx | hmm, I will, thanks for the tip |
| 03:32.48 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: there's a equivalent one in the bittorrent package, but the bittornado one is slightly better, IMO |
| 03:33.03 | LSorensen | kaplanfx: when you want to stop sharing a file, delete the .torrent, and within a minute it disappears from the program. to add one, dump it in the dir you told it to monitor, and it will add it within a minute |
| 03:33.10 | kaplanfx | I liked azureus becuase it seemed to get files many times faster than other clients, better traffic direction I think |
| 03:33.17 | Guerin | hahah |
| 03:33.34 | LSorensen | kaplanfx: never had a problem with speed in bittornado using the launchmanu program |
| 03:33.38 | deadcat | LSorensen: shows seeds/peers. nice (= |
| 03:33.39 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: yeah... there is a bug with it currently though, where it searches subdirectories for .torrents if it can't find any in the monitoring dir... |
| 03:33.41 | Guerin | it's all the same underlying code, essentially the clients are just interfacing. |
| 03:33.49 | LSorensen | deadcat: yeah I want a bigger screen to run it sometimes |
| 03:33.52 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Helping what? You are wrong. Nothing else needed to be said. |
| 03:33.59 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: I noticed that yesterday |
| 03:34.08 | deadcat | LSorensen: any chance it quits after downloading? (= |
| 03:34.15 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: yeah... it's sort of annoying, since I don't always delete the .torrents |
| 03:34.17 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, you just made my point. |
| 03:34.28 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: yeah I had a disabled/ dir |
| 03:34.35 | Guerin | deadcat: no, why would you do that with a torrent? |
| 03:34.48 | deadcat | Guerin: my upload is weak. |
| 03:34.52 | LSorensen | Guerin: to use your bandwidth to upload things you think are more useful |
| 03:35.05 | Guerin | feh |
| 03:35.05 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: just limit your upload rate... |
| 03:35.09 | aldug | does anyone here use an audigy 2ZS sound card under linux? |
| 03:35.10 | Guerin | gdmf leeches |
| 03:35.12 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it does that farily sanely |
| 03:35.15 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i set it to 3 |
| 03:35.19 | aldug | or know if it's well supported? |
| 03:35.20 | LSorensen | aldug: I wish. I only have an sb live platinum |
| 03:35.32 | LSorensen | aldug: alsa snd-emu10k1 driver is by far the best for it |
| 03:35.54 | Guerin | hehe |
| 03:35.56 | LSorensen | aldug: very well supported, well at least the live and audigy are. not sure if the 2 and 2zs are yet, but I suspect they are |
| 03:36.03 | Guerin | I have to go get my damn exhaust fixed |
| 03:36.07 | Guerin | bits are falling off it again |
| 03:36.14 | aldug | LSorensen: so you've heard it's well supported? |
| 03:36.20 | aldug | oh |
| 03:36.22 | Guerin | and I think my cam belt is worn, as well :( |
| 03:36.22 | LSorensen | aldug: well the emu10k1 in general is |
| 03:36.30 | za | dondelelcaro, hard to get that greese off ya keyboard |
| 03:36.40 | aldug | is creative contributing? |
| 03:36.54 | aldug | they were a few years ago |
| 03:37.04 | kaplanfx | your upload speed with bittorrent seems best at 1/2 your total upload speed, so for instance, if you have 128kb that 16kB therefore you want 8kB up |
| 03:37.09 | stew | aldug: you may wanna ask in #creative as well |
| 03:37.23 | kaplanfx | erm I don't know if I abbreviated bits and bytes correctly there |
| 03:37.25 | LSorensen | aldug: the audigy is a 10k2 which is pretty well supported last I checked, but the 2 and 2zs are slight variations and I haven't checked how well supported they are. there is a new audigy budget card that is not in fact an emu10kx chip, and is really a piece of junk it seems (although not as bad as the dell sb live oem 'software DSP' model) |
| 03:37.26 | aldug | stew, oh I didn't know about that |
| 03:37.37 | kaplanfx | download can be about 3/4 of total downlaod |
| 03:37.41 | kaplanfx | download rather |
| 03:37.54 | aldug | LSorensen: what's the name of the new budget card? |
| 03:38.04 | Guerin | i pretty routinely have 400k in each direction |
| 03:38.06 | LSorensen | aldug: audigy LX or LZ or something like that |
| 03:38.06 | za | http://www.opensource.creative.com/snapshot.html |
| 03:38.07 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: you single boot on your ibook ya? |
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| 03:38.24 | Guerin | I don't bother capping it, since my bandwidth is unmetered and essentially unlimited |
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| 03:38.37 | LSorensen | Guerin: must be nice |
| 03:38.52 | za | aldug, well the sound blaster live 5.1 digitals are less than 20 UKP |
| 03:38.58 | Guerin | LSorensen: yeah, one of the perks of living in exile :) |
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| 03:39.20 | aldug | the audigy 2zs is now $85 on newegg with a $20 rebate |
| 03:39.29 | LSorensen | za: and very nice too. only 16 bit not 24bit, but as if you can tell on most speakers |
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| 03:40.10 | za | LSorensen, agreed. And even the oss/free drivers supports its hardware mixing etc (no problem opening /dev/dsp 64 times concurrently) |
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| 03:40.23 | Lilguy | man, I'm so confused by how *nix handles partitions.... |
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| 03:40.30 | LSorensen | za: yeah. alsa has full midi synth support too |
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| 03:40.46 | astronut | what does apt mean by "The following packages will be changed" |
| 03:40.49 | astronut | ? |
| 03:40.54 | LSorensen | Lilguy: linux handles it like dos/windows. bsd/solaris and such on the other hand use slices. now that's confusing |
| 03:40.54 | deadcat | my eyes hurt. only 3hrs of sleep lastnight. |
| 03:41.07 | LSorensen | astronut: the following _held_ packages will be changed? |
| 03:41.10 | za | Lilguy, what don't ya get ? |
| 03:41.21 | astronut | LSorensen: yes, thats it |
| 03:41.24 | astronut | what does it mean? |
| 03:41.57 | LSorensen | astronut: it means you put something on hold (as in you did not want it to upgrade that package) and now you asked it to do something it can only do by changing what you put on hold. it is warning you that the package you told it not to upgrade is going to be upgraded (changed) |
| 03:42.30 | astronut | oh |
| 03:42.35 | astronut | i forgot i put the pakcage on hold |
| 03:42.42 | astronut | that would be my problem? how do i remove hold again? |
| 03:42.43 | Lilguy | well, it's telling me that it doesn't have enough space to install a program, when the partitiion is only 1% used... |
| 03:42.45 | LSorensen | astronut: well that's what it is. |
| 03:42.46 | astronut | !holding |
| 03:42.53 | astronut | !hold |
| 03:42.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold |
| 03:43.18 | LSorensen | astronut: aptitude can do it. echo "packagename install" | dpkg --set-selections, is another way |
| 03:43.30 | deadcat | does bittoranado resume? |
| 03:43.31 | za | Lilguy, which partitions are / and /tmp and /var on ? Is *those* partitions only 1% used? |
| 03:43.32 | astronut | echo mozilla-thunderbird install | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 03:43.35 | LSorensen | astronut: echo "packagename hold"|dpkg --set-selections, is a way to put it on hold too |
| 03:43.38 | LSorensen | deadcat: of course |
| 03:43.42 | deadcat | (= |
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| 03:43.46 | za | s/Is/Are/ |
| 03:43.49 | astronut | right...thats how i did it...i just forgot the syntax |
| 03:43.55 | LSorensen | deadcat: it wouldn't be bittorrent compliant if it didn't |
| 03:43.57 | Lilguy | za, I'll pm you the output of my df ok? |
| 03:44.06 | za | Lilguy, ok |
| 03:44.06 | deadcat | LSorensen: i see. hehe |
| 03:44.09 | Julli | "ACPI: IRQ9 SCI: Edge set to Level Trigger." This is the last output I get before my machine hangs during boot. I can boot with "acpi=off", though. Is there something I can do about this? A kernel option, perhaps, or something like that? |
| 03:44.29 | LSorensen | Julli: turn of acpi support in kernel config, or get a non broken bios |
| 03:44.49 | Julli | LSorense, it's a laptop and I kinda need acpi... |
| 03:44.49 | kaplanfx | Guerin: man, btlaunchmanycurses is damn nice :) f%*k azureus and its java whoreing |
| 03:44.59 | herbi | kaplanfx, yeah |
| 03:45.00 | kaplanfx | and bye bye to my jre :) |
| 03:45.04 | LSorensen | Julli: well you aren't getting it until the laptop maker makes a non broken bios |
| 03:45.19 | LSorensen | Julli: complain to the laptop maker that their bios has broken acpi. |
| 03:45.30 | LSorensen | Julli: or try a different kernel version that might have a work around |
| 03:45.33 | Julli | LSorense, urgh, are you sure that's it? |
| 03:45.33 | LSorensen | Julli: or use apm |
| 03:45.38 | LSorensen | Julli: yes |
| 03:45.50 | herbi | apm is fine |
| 03:45.52 | herbi | use it. |
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| 03:45.57 | Julli | LSorense, well, thanks. |
| 03:46.04 | LSorensen | Julli: many bioses (which is where acpi is implemented) are broken, since they were designed to work with windows acpi use, not the full acpi spec |
| 03:46.18 | Julli | apm just doesn't seem to offer as useful options as acpi... |
| 03:46.23 | LSorensen | Julli: on some laptops linux has had to pretend to be as stupid about it as windows, for the bios to do it right |
| 03:46.28 | LSorensen | Julli: that's true |
| 03:46.41 | herbi | Julli, sure, but it works. |
| 03:46.45 | LSorensen | Julli: what brand laptop? |
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| 03:47.01 | Julli | LSorense, Acer. |
| 03:47.09 | LSorensen | Julli: well go check for the latest bios. |
| 03:47.13 | LSorensen | Julli: and which kernel? |
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| 03:47.17 | Julli | LSorense, will do. |
| 03:47.35 | Julli | Hmm, 2.6.7 and 2.6.6. |
| 03:47.57 | Julli | I'll try 2.6.8 then. |
| 03:48.02 | kaplanfx | herbi: do you know if I need to restart the client to add d/ls? or do I just put the torrents in the dir? |
| 03:48.08 | LSorensen | Julli: well they are often updating acpi handling in the kernel, so maybe 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 will help, but in any case the bios is doing something wrong with acpi if it crashes on boot |
| 03:48.18 | kaplanfx | herbi: nevermind, they just came up :) |
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| 03:48.21 | LSorensen | Julli: and of course make SURE pnp os support is OFF in the bios |
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| 03:48.26 | tct | I was looking for a gui interface to linux's firewall something similar to zonealarm, I tried firestarter but that has has caused problems, any other gui firewalls anyone can suggest? |
| 03:48.27 | LSorensen | Julli: that setting breaks a lot of stuff |
| 03:48.50 | LSorensen | tct: linux firewalls don't work in such stupid ways as windows firewalls with pop up windows asking questions for every application |
| 03:49.27 | LSorensen | tct: firewall is configured by root, X is not run by root |
| 03:49.28 | Julli | LSorense, oh, thanks. I hadn't heard that before. |
| 03:49.54 | LSorensen | Julli: on many laptops, the pcmcia cards don't work in linux, until you set pnp os to off and then all of a sudden everything just works |
| 03:50.02 | tct | nice, but somethigntellimg me what programs are accesing the net and who is probing me would be nice |
| 03:50.03 | LSorensen | Julli: pnp os = ms os. |
| 03:50.15 | za | LSorense, X runs as root... |
| 03:50.17 | LSorensen | tct: read your system log |
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| 03:50.23 | LSorensen | za: but the applications in X better not |
| 03:50.27 | herbi | LSorensen, doesnt lunax have pnp os support in the kernel now |
| 03:50.34 | LSorensen | herbi: not perfectly |
| 03:50.41 | herbi | gg |
| 03:50.50 | Julli | LSorense, I see, well thanks for the help. |
| 03:51.05 | herbi | thats why im not upgrading my computer till socket 939 is well and truly established |
| 03:51.08 | LSorensen | herbi: and the pnp/pci spec always demanded the bios (which knows the hardware) configure it. MS decided they could do it better if they got to control most of it (all except audio and hd and network if net booting) |
| 03:51.17 | za | <Lilguy> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 03:51.18 | za | <Lilguy> dev/hdb2 -1258705566064k 1.0k 0.0k 3% / |
| 03:51.24 | za | Can anyone make sense of that?! |
| 03:51.43 | herbi | za, obviously not? |
| 03:51.43 | LSorensen | herbi: not sure why MS decided they didn't know how to configure audio cards, so they asked the bios makers to keep handling it |
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| 03:52.00 | LSorensen | za: system screwup? time to shutdown and reboot I suspect |
| 03:52.05 | Lilguy | hehe |
| 03:52.12 | za | Lilguy, something is really wrong there man :/ |
| 03:52.17 | Lilguy | hasn't helped unfortunately... |
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| 03:52.25 | herbi | what kernel |
| 03:52.32 | LSorensen | za: bad libc or utility version? |
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| 03:52.50 | za | LSorense, seem reasonable guesses |
| 03:52.51 | LSorensen | za: I have seen that happen if the version of df is much to old or if libc is too old for the kernel |
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| 03:52.58 | junix-br | hello |
| 03:53.08 | Lilguy | should I try upgrading libc? |
| 03:53.10 | za | LSorense, makes sense. Lilguy ? |
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| 03:53.31 | herbi | Lilguy, when you compile your kernel you should always read ../Documentation/Changes and make sure your libs/utils are up to date. |
| 03:53.35 | uiui | who can tell me,how to stop gdm? |
| 03:53.36 | Lilguy | I can't say I understand it, but it gives me something else to try at least :) |
| 03:53.54 | tct | so about the firewall? |
| 03:53.56 | herbi | uiui, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:54.05 | attis | anybody know why update-modules would hose X? |
| 03:54.11 | Lilguy | herbi: I don't believe I've ever compiled my own kernel. So far I've just installed straight from the woody cd |
| 03:54.14 | LSorensen | tct: if you want to kow what the firewall blocks, make the firewall log it and read the log file |
| 03:54.15 | herbi | tct, about the firewall, go read netfilter.samba.org website. |
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| 03:54.22 | attis | stop gdm by /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:54.22 | za | LSorensen, LSorense is killing my tab completion :) |
| 03:54.27 | LSorensen | za: what? |
| 03:54.32 | LSorense | za: too confusing? |
| 03:54.41 | za | LSorense, I'm easily confused :) |
| 03:54.50 | rich_ | kaplanfx http://tv4all.com/ns3.htm has some good streaming video stations |
| 03:54.52 | kaplanfx | herbi: I use that site, and suprnova, neither are great |
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| 03:54.57 | LSorense | za: sometimes my dsl link drops, so I run irc from both my parents linux server and my own machine |
| 03:54.57 | Lilguy | hehe, me too za |
| 03:55.07 | za | ah |
| 03:55.08 | LSorensen | za: pretty simple |
| 03:55.26 | Lilguy | Ok, upgrading libc to the latest testing release... |
| 03:55.32 | attis | Did ya get the herbi? |
| 03:55.38 | attis | Did ya get that herbi? |
| 03:55.40 | attis | ? |
| 03:55.42 | LSorensen | Lilguy: you were on an older testing version? |
| 03:55.55 | herbi | attis, get what? |
| 03:56.19 | Lilguy | Well, I installed from woody, and recently pointed my debian list file thingy to the testing release. |
| 03:56.19 | attis | That you stop gdm by /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 03:56.31 | Lilguy | I haven't done a full dist-upgrade yet, but have installed a lot of the testing packages. |
| 03:56.36 | kaplanfx | herbi: is that worth signing up for? |
| 03:56.43 | herbi | attis, i said that before you, i didnt ask the question, uiui did |
| 03:56.45 | herbi | kaplanfx, yes. |
| 03:56.51 | kaplanfx | rich_: that site looks like all religious tv |
| 03:56.53 | attis | O sorry |
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| 03:57.05 | kaplanfx | herbi: ok, thanks for the tip :) |
| 03:57.20 | herbi | welcome. |
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| 03:57.21 | kaplanfx | Sorry |
| 03:57.21 | kaplanfx | The current user account limit (100,000) has been reached. Inactive accounts are deleted all the time, please check back again later... |
| 03:57.24 | Lilguy | I probably should just do the dist-upgrade thing and be done with it. Didn't want to break stuff by losing kde though.... |
| 03:57.25 | kaplanfx | doh |
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| 03:57.35 | kaplanfx | oh well, I bookmarked it |
| 03:57.52 | rich_ | kaplanfx really? Probably depends on the country your in. Try uk, they are somewhat godless |
| 03:57.54 | LSorensen | Lilguy: can always but kde on hold |
| 03:57.55 | rich_ | :) |
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| 03:58.39 | Lilguy | Well, I really would rather just stick to GNome, but the only problem (a stupid one I'll admit) is that my VNC setup always loads KDE, and I don't want to break that by uninstalling it... |
| 03:59.02 | attis | So anybody out there know why trying to load ksensors would break X |
| 03:59.03 | attis | ? |
| 03:59.07 | Lilguy | I even changed the .vnc/xstartup to launch gnome by default, but it always insists on loading kde for some reason.... |
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| 03:59.11 | LSorensen | Lilguy: change the default window manager. update-alternatives --config x-window-manager or x-display-manager or something |
| 03:59.27 | kaplanfx | rich_: nice |
| 03:59.40 | Lilguy | LSorernsen: huh? |
| 03:59.43 | _infrared | I have a problem.. I'm using LVM2 and created a VG (storage) from two PV (/dev/hda3 and /dev/hdb). From this, I have one LV (media). When I do lvdisplay it shows the size correctly of the combined drives (302gb) but when I do a df of the mounted LV, it only shows 182gb (the size of /dev/hdb).. Why is this? |
| 04:00.06 | kaplanfx | rich_: what plugin works with the video? |
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| 04:00.22 | kaplanfx | im using debian (obviously) and firefox .9 |
| 04:00.45 | LSorensen | _if: you had it only that size when you formated it? |
| 04:00.49 | LSorensen | er _infrared |
| 04:00.50 | herbi | _infrared, does debian correctly utilise all 302gb or only the first 182gb |
| 04:00.56 | za | _infrared, because the volume you have mounted is 182gb ? |
| 04:01.02 | rich_ | kaplanfx depends on the site. I use realplayer10 when I need too, but almost everything exect the newest version rtsp streams work with mplayer |
| 04:01.05 | LSorensen | _infrared: the filesystem doesn't have to be the size of the device |
| 04:01.17 | LSorensen | _infrared: you might be able to resize the fs to fit the lv |
| 04:01.23 | rich_ | kaplanfx except |
| 04:02.35 | _infrared | ohh |
| 04:02.44 | _infrared | sorry I completely forgot about the filesystem |
| 04:02.46 | _infrared | thanks.. dumb me |
| 04:02.47 | kaplanfx | rich_: thanks |
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| 04:02.54 | rich_ | kaplanfx no problem |
| 04:03.06 | Lilguy | LSorensen: it gives me these options: |
| 04:03.08 | Lilguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.08 | Lilguy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.23 | Lilguy | what do those have to do with kde/gnome? |
| 04:03.36 | za | _infrared, check (pv|lv|vg|)display |
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| 04:03.52 | hodgman | <==Noob here...I just installed Debian and I would like to uninstall exim and put sendmail on since I know sendmail better...would it cause any problems if I did that ? |
| 04:04.11 | hodgman | and how would I go about doing that...is it just like a apt thing to deinstall it? |
| 04:04.25 | _infrared | za: yeah.. those show up correct but the filesystem was created prior to me adding /dev/hda3 so the filesystem is only 182gb.. makes sense to me now.. thanks guys1 |
| 04:04.29 | attis | hodgman it didn't when I installed it |
| 04:04.49 | hodgman | attis: it didn't cause any problems ? |
| 04:04.52 | za | _infrared, resize2fs etc? |
| 04:04.55 | attis | apt-removed exim when I installed sendmail |
| 04:05.03 | hodgman | ahh ok...thanks :) |
| 04:05.55 | attis | apt-get install sendmail worked for me |
| 04:06.22 | za | _infrared, or lvextend ? |
| 04:06.48 | attis | hodgman do you know X very well? |
| 04:07.06 | za | poor xfree86 |
| 04:07.18 | za | *sniff* |
| 04:07.24 | FieldySnuts | poor my ass, they're the ones that chose the license |
| 04:07.36 | za | oh dear. |
| 04:07.36 | tct | apt-get cant find ego whic is part of the gnome package, anyone else get this error? |
| 04:07.43 | kaplanfx | this guy is an idiot -> http://www.desktopos.com/sections.php?op=viewarticle&artid=33 he refers to kde as linux at one point, and says its a crime to leave people with only the option of vi or emacs |
| 04:08.01 | FieldySnuts | kaplanfx: some people deserve to be stuck with redhat or fedora, or even windows, shrug |
| 04:08.07 | za | FieldySnuts, So I guess you don't have apache installed or the other million apps that aren't gpl compatible? |
| 04:08.15 | FieldySnuts | za: be quiet troll |
| 04:08.25 | za | sigh |
| 04:09.13 | za | !cluebat FieldySnuts |
| 04:09.19 | FieldySnuts | :D |
| 04:09.20 | za | haha |
| 04:09.59 | hodgman | attis: umm not really..sorry was messing with stuff :) |
| 04:10.51 | hodgman | tct: did you try the apt-cache search command ? |
| 04:11.21 | rares000 | all right I got work to do will have to IRC later cyall |
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| 04:11.49 | hodgman | lol scooper ...I use one of you every day to clean my ferrets litter box LOL |
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| 04:13.11 | Angelika | hi, can anybody here use hydrogen? |
| 04:13.29 | attis | Yea to wash wounds |
| 04:13.46 | attis | sorry |
| 04:13.47 | Angelika | I don't know why it isn't loading oss_driver |
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| 04:14.56 | Angelika | attis: it's a drumn machine |
| 04:15.02 | Angelika | sequencer |
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| 04:15.46 | Angelika | i'm using sarge repositories, oss works well for xmms and rythmbox |
| 04:16.02 | Angelika | but isn't being initialized by hydrogen |
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| 04:16.17 | Angelika | anybody has any hint? |
| 04:16.19 | hodgman | Angelika: ask in the http://hydrogen.sourceforge.net/ forums |
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| 04:18.17 | FieldySnuts | ~kill Angelika |
| 04:18.19 | apt | ACTION shoots a ionized neutrino gun at Angelika |
| 04:19.29 | za | !shoot apt |
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| 04:22.05 | za | Does uptime wrap around at some point still ? |
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| 04:22.43 | mwilson | Yes |
| 04:22.51 | za | at what mwilson ? |
| 04:23.02 | za | it used to be less than a year, no ? |
| 04:23.15 | mwilson | za: I have no idea... I couldn't care less about uptime l33tness. |
| 04:23.34 | za | nor me... just wondered |
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| 04:24.39 | Stormfrog | So, how do I mount filesystems then..? :P I mannaged to make lilo boot from the correct device, but "mount" still points to the wrong device mounted as "/"... (which is odd since I can see "/") Anyways, how do I change mount so that it shows the correct info? |
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| 04:26.47 | Stormfrog | That is, I cant really umount the device /hdb2 since mount think it holds to "/" filesystem (but mount is wrong, hda2 is really "/"). |
| 04:26.52 | attis | That does not sound good there Stormfrog |
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| 04:27.07 | za | Stormfrog, vim /etc/fstab ? |
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| 04:28.51 | Stormfrog | za: yes.. that works. Thanks :) |
| 04:29.08 | za | :) |
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| 04:31.47 | Stormfrog | so... anything else I should do with a blank disk than partition it with fdisk? |
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| 04:32.11 | peterS | toresbe: useless factoids make baby peterS cry |
| 04:32.13 | za | Stormfrog, throw a filesystem on it ? |
| 04:32.26 | Moonpatrol | so |
| 04:32.29 | Stormfrog | za: what comman do I use to do that? |
| 04:32.30 | Moonpatrol | debian doesn't suck like gentoo? |
| 04:32.34 | Moonpatrol | and won't make my life hell? |
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| 04:32.45 | za | Stormfrog, mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb or such ? |
| 04:32.52 | Stormfrog | oh |
| 04:33.04 | peterS | za: mke2fs -j /dev/hdb |
| 04:33.20 | Xenguy | Moonpatrol: "far from it" |
| 04:33.20 | peterS | za: but that's usually wrong because hdb usually means a hard disk, which you will want to put a partition table on first |
| 04:33.31 | Stormfrog | I liked the tool for creating filesystems/partition that wa availiable during installation od debian |
| 04:33.36 | Moonpatrol | far from it as in ? |
| 04:33.39 | za | peterS, You don't need a partition... |
| 04:33.41 | Moonpatrol | far from being good or far from being bad? |
| 04:34.14 | peterS | za: on a hard disk? it's recommended. the OS looks for one, you'll be compatible with a lot of automated tools, etc. |
| 04:34.14 | Xenguy | Moonpatrol: as in, I'm fond of quoting the Matrix on a whim ;-) |
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| 04:34.25 | za | peterS, recommended by who/what ? |
| 04:34.29 | Xenguy | Moonpatrol: in this case, far from "hell" |
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| 04:34.40 | Moonpatrol | hmm k |
| 04:34.42 | za | peterS, It will break nothing... most people don't even realise it's possible... |
| 04:34.42 | Moonpatrol | so its far from gentoo |
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| 04:35.13 | za | peterS, the OS doesn't look for one btw... |
| 04:35.19 | peterS | za: by a lot of people. it makes life less confusing for everybody, not least the other OSes that might ever want to look at the drive |
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| 04:35.25 | za | peterS, I mean, it doesn't care if there isn't one |
| 04:35.37 | Xenguy | Moonpatrol: well that's hard to say - it depends on what you really mean - but if you have enough experience to tackle gentoo, then I think you'll appreciate Debian's maturity |
| 04:35.52 | za | peterS, what other OS would even be able to look at an ext3 partition? :) |
| 04:35.55 | peterS | za: lilo / grub require a partition table, for one |
| 04:36.27 | peterS | za: or, more precisely, they require the empty space that happens between the partition table and the first partition |
| 04:36.31 | za | Stormfrog, cfdisk |
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| 04:37.00 | rich_ | All operateing systems can use ext2 and 3 as far as I know |
| 04:37.19 | peterS | rich_: actually a lot cannot |
| 04:37.42 | za | peterS, I agree with what your saying, but it's a second disk, and I just wanted to point out the fact to him that we don't need to create a single partition on a disk, we can just throw a filesystem on it. |
| 04:37.50 | Stormfrog | za: so... there was no reason for running fdisk and create a partition as I did? |
| 04:37.52 | peterS | rich_: Linux, FreeBSD and The Hurd are the only ones with good support for it. there is semi-decent support with a third-party patch to Windows NT |
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| 04:38.00 | za | peterS, the *need* part being what I was trying to show |
| 04:38.11 | ONi | Hi allz |
| 04:38.27 | peterS | za: nod. you don't *need* to have ISO-9660 or UDF on a cdrom either, but it's generally a good idea |
| 04:38.41 | za | Stormfrog, not really, but take note of what peterS has pointed out |
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| 04:38.54 | ONi | I am running it off a Knoppix CD install |
| 04:39.16 | Stormfrog | oki :) |
| 04:39.20 | callie | ive just installed debian and i need to set up audio ive read some docs and i think i need to compile the modules into my kernel, can someone help me out here? |
| 04:39.30 | za | peterS, thats a bit different, the fs updates being killers on CD/DVD media... but I got your point |
| 04:40.12 | peterS | za: well, I mean even read-only cdroms, not CD-RWs. you could put FAT or JFS or whatever on them, but by doing so you limit the OSes that will deal with them gracefully (: |
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| 04:40.29 | rich_ | peterS Well obviously I meant all that have been made since the creation of ext2 and 3. What do you mean good support? Unix has great support for all filesystems, hurd is still in development.I consider it nit picking for you to refer to windows as an operateing system. |
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| 04:40.50 | za | peterS, putting ext3 on anything means it's linux only, but is there any other OS anyway? :) |
| 04:41.07 | Inner | lol |
| 04:41.14 | peterS | za: heh. FreeBSD, The Hurd, and Windows NT/2000/XP can all read ext2 (and thus ext3) |
| 04:41.16 | ONi | I am still learning the basics of linux |
| 04:41.27 | ONi | but it is evidently alot like windows |
| 04:41.30 | ONi | yet |
| 04:41.32 | peterS | za: FreeBSD and The Hurd can write to it too, although I don't know if they can do the journaling aspect of ext3 |
| 04:41.33 | za | peterS, the windows family can read ext2 !? since when ? |
| 04:41.33 | ONi | very different |
| 04:41.39 | Stormfrog | peterS: What is the "journal" option for? |
| 04:41.41 | peterS | za: well, with a third-party extension |
| 04:41.43 | Phated | Back up, Windpows can read ext3? Fascinating. |
| 04:41.49 | Phated | Er, Windows* |
| 04:41.51 | za | peterS, ah |
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| 04:42.10 | Stormfrog | peterS: in "mke2fs -j" that is |
| 04:42.19 | iblis- | guys, do i need to patch the 2.4.26 kernel to support reiserfs quota ... i already set CONFIG_QUOTA=y and CONFIG_XFS_QUOTA=y in the kern config but i got : reiserfs_getopt: unknown option "usrquota" |
| 04:42.39 | pipeline | za, Phated, peterS: There's alse explore2fs, which, while lame, is free. :| |
| 04:42.55 | pipeline | Also, FreeBSD write support for ext2 is dangerou.s |
| 04:43.01 | za | pipeline, lets windows read ext2 ? |
| 04:43.12 | peterS | Stormfrog: Journaled Filesystems 101, by peterS: journaling means writing changes to a disk in a specific order, to a holding area first (called a journal) and then later from there to the rest of the disk. This *may* be a performance loss, but what it means is that in the event of a crash / power failure, it is *really* easy, and fast, and 100% reliable, to ensure that the filesystem is consistent (the "fsck" step). |
| 04:43.32 | za | Microsoft should just grab all the 30+ filesystems support code from Linux. |
| 04:43.40 | pipeline | za: Userspace utility. It lets *you* read ext2 from inside windows. |
| 04:43.42 | peterS | Stormfrog: this means two things: (a) you will never (unless the journaling filesystem has bugs) end up with a corrupt filesystem that can't be easily fixed, and (b) boot times are quick even after an abnormal shutdown |
| 04:43.46 | Phated | pipeline: Oo. |
| 04:43.52 | za | Windows could be good... with apache/samba/cups/vsftpd/.... |
| 04:44.00 | Stormfrog | peterS: sweet |
| 04:44.03 | za | pipeline, cool |
| 04:44.14 | Phated | za: Just use linux. :) |
| 04:44.17 | pipeline | za: Also, linux's kernel architecture is both ugly and slightly weird. Translation: It's immensely easier to re-write something than to attempt a port. |
| 04:44.27 | peterS | Stormfrog: journaling filesystems, on Linux, are ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs. on Windows NT, ntfs is a "logging filesystem" which is quite similar. other commercial Unixes have various journaling fses as well |
| 04:44.29 | za | Phated, of course. They could make it useful though :/ |
| 04:44.36 | Phated | za: Heh. |
| 04:44.44 | rich_ | unix reads all filesystems, as far as I know vms can read any filesystem. If people want their date planers to use any filesystem maybe they should retell the person who works at the boutique. Or wherever they buy those things |
| 04:44.57 | za | pipeline, true, the virtual filesystem thingy... but still./ |
| 04:44.57 | pipeline | Oh, bull, rich_. |
| 04:44.57 | peterS | rich_: VMS can read any filesystem? since when? |
| 04:45.02 | pipeline | Linux reads a handful of filesystems. |
| 04:45.06 | rich_ | Their date planers and recipe organisers |
| 04:45.13 | Phated | pipeline: More than a handful, really. |
| 04:45.16 | pipeline | Most UNIX's read their native fs, the previous version, and FAT12 or 16. |
| 04:45.19 | peterS | rich_: and by "unix" you mean ... which unix? there's about half a dozen brands still actively developed / supported |
| 04:45.21 | pipeline | Phated: A handful of *relevant* filesystems. |
| 04:45.22 | iblis- | guys, do i need to patch the 2.4.26 kernel to support reiserfs quota ? ... i already set CONFIG_QUOTA=y and CONFIG_XFS_QUOTA=y in the kern config but i got : reiserfs_getopt: unknown option "usrquota" |
| 04:45.28 | Phated | pipeline: Oh, all right. :) |
| 04:45.44 | pipeline | Phated: I'm proud to say I've used at least half of them. Even EFS. |
| 04:45.44 | za | pipeline *nod* |
| 04:45.57 | Phated | pipeline: Dear me. How very impressive. :) |
| 04:46.10 | za | Linux has great FS support though. Reads about 30 out of the box? (box == kernel.org) |
| 04:46.13 | peterS | pipeline: heh. efs. here's a question: have you ever read an efs CDROM in Linux? |
| 04:46.16 | Phated | pipeline: What's FAT12? |
| 04:46.22 | peterS | Phated: FAT for floppy disks |
| 04:46.32 | Phated | Ah, thanks. |
| 04:46.36 | za | lol |
| 04:46.36 | Stormfrog | peterS: ahem... does mke2fs also create the partition for the divice if I specify /dev/hdb1 for example? |
| 04:46.45 | Stormfrog | device even |
| 04:46.46 | peterS | Phated: back before MS-DOS 4.0, that was the only version of FAT, and it is limited to a hard disk partition of 32 MB or smaller |
| 04:46.48 | pipeline | peterS: Yes. Crashy, crashy. Worked, though. Took me about eight tries to read 6.5 base. |
| 04:46.53 | za | Stormfrog, hda1 is a partition already |
| 04:47.02 | peterS | Stormfrog: no, you have to partition separately. use 'cfdisk /dev/hdb' or similar. |
| 04:47.07 | Phated | peterS: I see. Pretty much obsolete nowadays except in floppy disks, then. |
| 04:47.09 | peterS | pipeline: heh |
| 04:47.21 | peterS | Phated: well, it's not like floppy disks are obsolete. they still have their uses, here and there |
| 04:47.23 | za | Floppy disks are obsolete anyway... no? |
| 04:47.31 | pipeline | Stormfrog: Partitions? Nonsense. Waste 8 cylinders of space? Bah. |
| 04:47.32 | peterS | Phated: but yeah, nobody uses FAT12 for hard disks ever since MS-DOS 4.0 came out with FAT16 |
| 04:47.34 | iblis- | pipeline, do i need to patch 2.4.26 to get quota support for reiserfs ? |
| 04:47.34 | za | None of my boxen have a floppy, haven't for 3 years. |
| 04:47.40 | Phated | peterS: I did say except in floppy disks. I LOVE floppy disks. :) |
| 04:47.41 | rich_ | peterS I mean all of them. I dont see how you could call it unix without such a basic feature as the ability to use different filesystems. But then some people dont see how it can be called unix without inetd. Anyway, its a very simple basic feature to make your software work on different filesystems, so if your date planner doesnt do it, id say complain to whoever makes it, or whoever traffics it. |
| 04:47.45 | Phated | za: No way. |
| 04:47.48 | peterS | Phated: or possibly DOS 5.0. I forget which. |
| 04:47.51 | rich_ | As I said, as the guy at the boutique |
| 04:47.55 | Phated | za: I like the floppies. :) |
| 04:47.57 | rich_ | ask |
| 04:47.59 | Phated | peterS: Ah. |
| 04:48.09 | za | Phated, You like cassettes too? :) |
| 04:48.18 | Phated | za: No, I'm not old enough for those. :) |
| 04:48.24 | za | Phated, and tapes and punch cards? :) |
| 04:48.32 | pipeline | peterS: Tries = Reboots. I finally pulled it off in single-user, copying to the hard disk. This was a long time ago, though, and I don't think EFS was in the official kernel tree yet :| |
| 04:48.35 | peterS | za: Phated isn't even old enough to remember VHS cassettes, never mind audio cassettes (: |
| 04:48.42 | za | haha |
| 04:48.47 | Phated | za: I had a REALLY old system until about last year where there was no CDROM drive, thus with the floppies. |
| 04:48.57 | Phated | peterS: I've used VHS cassettes, thank you. |
| 04:48.59 | peterS | pipeline: ahh. I did it once after efs got into kernel 2.2 or 2.4, whichever it was. it worked great for me, as I recall. |
| 04:49.06 | Phated | peterS: Audio too. :P |
| 04:49.08 | peterS | Phated: ok, so I exaggerate a little (: |
| 04:49.11 | za | I have a box of 5 1/4 inch BBC floppies here |
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| 04:49.21 | Phated | peterS: Yes indeed, sir. |
| 04:49.25 | za | Antiques |
| 04:49.26 | Phated | za: Oooooo. |
| 04:49.27 | pipeline | rich_: Bullshit. Hardly any UNIX systems support anything but their native fs -- and that's true of linux. Once you leave the native fs's, support is pure shit. Wouldn't you think linux would have decent UFS by now? |
| 04:49.29 | peterS | za: I won't be impressed until you post a URL to pictures of you with your 8" floppies |
| 04:49.35 | za | lol |
| 04:49.49 | za | peterS, I have a camera on my phone... I just might... |
| 04:49.52 | za | no! stop! |
| 04:50.26 | Phated | ~.- |
| 04:50.27 | peterS | yes, kids, those ancient floppy disks called 5 1/4" were not the oldest / biggest. 8" floppies looked exactly the same but bigger |
| 04:50.27 | pipeline | peterS: The hilarious part is here I am, quite a few years later, and I still haven't had a successful IRIX install on the machine I originally intended to do it on. |
| 04:50.27 | Phated | peterS: Yes, sir. |
| 04:50.31 | peterS | pipeline: heh. no kidding? |
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| 04:50.54 | za | I have the admin guide for the BBC winchester disk too... sigh... good times |
| 04:51.08 | Stormfrog | err... in cfdisk when choosing "type" I cant see ext3 anywere? There is just linux/linux swap |
| 04:51.10 | pipeline | peterS: Network install from a non-IRIX host is an unpleasant experience. |
| 04:51.14 | peterS | pipeline: indeed - commercial unixes never seem to support anything but the one or two filesystems they consider native. AIX only supports FAT through a very crappy shadow of mtools |
| 04:51.33 | pipeline | SCO and Solaris have roughly equivalent support for FAT |
| 04:51.36 | peterS | pipeline: I've done it. I don't think I booted from the net, but I have run 'inst' with a network source |
| 04:51.54 | rich_ | pipeline Whats linuxs native filesystem? Is it xfs because thats what I use for root. The only way I can imagine that anyone could thing that unix does not support many filesystems is if theyve never compiled or even confiigured a modern kernel. You know cpm, had an awful filesystem and that inspired the very first unix to have these capabilities that I suppose tinylimp still hasnt mimicked |
| 04:51.59 | peterS | pipeline: fortunately, the real mtools is very portable and works fine on things like AIX. (: |
| 04:52.04 | Phated | Stormfrog: I think you want Linux. |
| 04:52.12 | KOZ | stormfrog is there a list with numbers beside the choices |
| 04:52.22 | pipeline | peterS: Booting from the net is extremely difficult to debug because one, the documentation isn't very good, and two, the error messages are along the lines of "Error: Couldn't do foo." |
| 04:52.28 | za | Stormfrog, the 'type' isn't about the filesystem. |
| 04:52.33 | rich_ | But they will if enough people tell their local boutiqu that they want it |
| 04:52.34 | mwilson | rich_: Where in the world do you get this stuff? |
| 04:52.38 | Phated | Stormfrog: You want 83. :D |
| 04:52.43 | peterS | rich_: please tell me how to enable support for any of the above, on AIX 4.x or 5.x: ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs, ufs, fat/vfat, bfs, efs |
| 04:52.44 | KOZ | I just booted from the net and have a problem myself |
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| 04:52.57 | za | Stormfrog, it's just a hint to the OS |
| 04:53.06 | peterS | rich_: AFAIK, *none* of those are supported by AIX *at all*, except FAT through a crappy set of very limited userspace floppy tools |
| 04:53.13 | Phated | peterS: Shouldn't that be any of the following? :) |
| 04:53.16 | pipeline | rich_: You're clearly an idiot. UNIX and UFS predate CP/M by ten years, easily. Secondly, XFS comes from IRIX, a commemrcial UNIX. Also, you don't have to configure a "modern kernel." Fortunately for us, Linux doesn't have one of those. |
| 04:53.18 | peterS | Phated: whatevah |
| 04:53.21 | Phated | :D |
| 04:53.24 | rich_ | peterS My guess is you just enable support when configuring/compileing your kernel, like any other unix |
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| 04:53.37 | Phated | You guess? |
| 04:53.40 | Phated | Heh. |
| 04:53.41 | peterS | rich_: don't "guess", since you act like you know so much. tell me in concrete terms how to do this |
| 04:53.44 | mwilson | rich_: You have no idea whatsoever about "any other unix", do you? |
| 04:53.45 | pipeline | rich_: To add insult to injury, XFS predates linux. |
| 04:53.55 | peterS | rich_: I have to warn you that I was an AIX admin for years and do not know the answer, unless it is "you can't do that" |
| 04:54.23 | peterS | pipeline: does it? that's a shaky timeline. XFS was introduced in IRIX 5.0 - was that out in 1991? |
| 04:54.35 | peterS | pipeline: I was thinking IRIX 5 was more like 1993 |
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| 04:54.59 | rich_ | mwilson Well, no, the point is, if it doesnt work its broke. And if that means its not linux, it probably cant be fixed :) |
| 04:55.03 | peterrooney | callie: have you tried to use sound yet? |
| 04:55.36 | mwilson | rich_: And what does that mess of dribble have to do with anything you've said in the last ten minutes? |
| 04:55.36 | peterS | rich_: the real point is, you made incorrect assumptions and stated them as facts. you should be more careful next time |
| 04:55.39 | pipeline | peterS: Linux dates to 1991? Maybe as a usenet post ;) |
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| 04:55.46 | callie | peterrooney, yeah i have |
| 04:55.55 | pipeline | peterS: I was wrong anyway -- XFS was added in 5.3, in 12/94 |
| 04:56.01 | callie | peterrooney, with no luck |
| 04:56.02 | peterS | pipeline: Linux began in early 1991 and was quite usable by the end of 1991 |
| 04:56.10 | Phated | Linux does date to 1991. |
| 04:56.29 | peterS | pipeline: not that I know except by hearsay - I didn't first see it until early 1994 |
| 04:56.30 | Phated | First kernel released, wasn't it? Unless my admittedly limited computer history is failing me... |
| 04:56.46 | za | -r--r--r-- 1 536 536 63362 Oct 30 1993 linux-0.01.tar.bz2 |
| 04:56.48 | rich_ | mwilson Thats some other "os" from the dark ages doesnt suport modern filesystems? What does that have to do with the fact that its broke? |
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| 04:57.11 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 04:57.17 | KOZ | I am having trouble using debian and I don't have a clue where to start because I am new to linux. Anyone willing to help |
| 04:57.22 | mwilson | One hundred thirty-seven |
| 04:57.27 | Phated | KOZ: What do you need? |
| 04:57.31 | za | KOZ, be more specific ? |
| 04:57.33 | rich_ | mwilson Your rioght though I dont use his windows manager |
| 04:57.40 | peterS | mwilson: notice how smoothly he goes from "well, of *course* all unixes support these filesystems, moron" to "what? they don't? how terribly baroque of them" |
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| 04:58.01 | KOZ | Ok I installed the current release of debian from installing from an ftp to my old laptop |
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| 04:58.03 | rich_ | Or his date planner or whatever broken os it uses |
| 04:58.04 | za | 'windows manager' |
| 04:58.07 | Phated | KOZ: OK. |
| 04:58.18 | mwilson | peterS: Apparently he thinks Linux is a Unix. |
| 04:58.22 | rich_ | I dont use It :) |
| 04:58.25 | Phated | KOZ: State your question more specifically, please. We really don't need a backstory here. |
| 04:58.25 | KOZ | Everything is ok until I restarted and XFS wont start gnome up |
| 04:58.26 | peterS | mwilson: something like that |
| 04:58.42 | Phated | KOZ: XFS is not supposed to start gnome. Do you get a regular login? |
| 04:58.49 | mwilson | KOZ: Uh, last time anyone checked, XFS was a filesystem. |
| 04:58.49 | KOZ | No |
| 04:59.03 | KOZ | I figured xfs is xfreeserver |
| 04:59.09 | Phated | No, |
| 04:59.15 | KOZ | ok |
| 04:59.18 | KOZ | hold one sec |
| 04:59.20 | Phated | XFS is, as mwilson said, a filesystem. |
| 04:59.21 | peterS | KOZ: heh. not. X Font Server. |
| 04:59.24 | za | or x font server |
| 04:59.29 | Phated | Moonpatrol: What're you giggling at? |
| 04:59.50 | Phated | I once thought it was x font server, until I saw it in the file systems section when I compiled a kernel. :| |
| 04:59.54 | KOZ | I spent the last 5 hours installing debian to my p100 laptop |
| 05:00.00 | pipeline | peterS: I'd respect that attitude a lot more if Linux had decent UFS support :| |
| 05:00.09 | mwilson | KOZ: And not once did you read the installation guide, right? |
| 05:00.14 | rich_ | Yes its a filesystem, made by sgi. You mean to say sgi only uses one filesystem? First of all I dont believe that and second of all, if it was true, yes, I would find it baroque |
| 05:00.16 | peterS | pipeline: indeed. I expected better UFS support *years* ago. guess nobody cares. |
| 05:00.17 | Phated | mwilson: Harsh. |
| 05:00.25 | mwilson | Phated: Truth. |
| 05:00.26 | peterrooney | callie: quick checks. (1) have you added yourself (and root) to group 'audio' ? (2) have you relaxed permissions on /dev/dsp ? |
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| 05:00.27 | KOZ | Ok it says X server cannot be started |
| 05:00.32 | Phated | mwilson: Harsh truth? |
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| 05:00.38 | peterS | rich_: SGI uses two filesystems. XFS, normally, but it previously used EFS and still supports it. |
| 05:00.41 | KOZ | because it is not setup correctly |
| 05:00.41 | pipeline | rich_: SGI uses three filesystems. EFS, XFS, and CXFS. I don't believe IRIX supports anything else. |
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| 05:00.50 | peterS | rich_: that's not counting ISO-9660, which of course it also supports, for cdroms |
| 05:01.02 | callie | peterrooney, ive added my user to audio |
| 05:01.13 | za | !irix |
| 05:01.13 | dpkg | i guess irix is SGI's unix operating system., or referred to as 'the masochist os' (though newer versions do improve on it). It is known for security problems, like having suid CGI scripts (i kid you not.), or has DEFAULT PASSWORDLESS LOGINS in older versions. |
| 05:01.16 | KOZ | Do you need to see the server output |
| 05:01.17 | callie | peterrooney, what do i need to do to the /dev/dsp ? |
| 05:01.20 | peterS | rich_: AIX is even more insular. it supports exactly one filesystem, JFS. |
| 05:01.32 | Phated | KOZ: If we wanted it, we would ask for it in #flood, not here. : |
| 05:01.34 | Phated | :) |
| 05:01.36 | pw | peterS: Even on CDs? |
| 05:01.47 | rich_ | Ok well I see theres disagreement over how many filesystems sgi supports and I suspect your talking about the number it supports out of the box. I think what you consider "good" support is different from what I consider "good" support. |
| 05:01.50 | callie | peterrooney, im not even sure if i need to install something first, my soundcard is not very standard |
| 05:01.52 | peterS | pw: what? oh yeah, iso-9660, of course. with rockridge. |
| 05:01.55 | za | 42. |
| 05:02.04 | peterS | rich_: HP-UX is a dual-filesystem shop - its own HFS (not related to the macintosh filesystem), and more recently, vxfs from Veritas |
| 05:02.10 | rich_ | If it works, it works... |
| 05:02.14 | peterrooney | callie: chmod 777 /dev/dsp (though i'm sure i'll gert roasted if there is a less permissive way of getting access) |
| 05:02.32 | za | !roast peterrooney |
| 05:02.34 | pw | peterS: See, VMS didn't support ISO9660 for a long time. You had to have FILES-11 formatted CDs :-) |
| 05:02.38 | KOZ | So would it be better to update it to version 4.4 or is it better to fix it my reconfiguring it |
| 05:02.39 | peterS | pw: neat (: |
| 05:02.50 | pipeline | rich_: No, there's no disagreement. There's really only two hard drive filesystems -- EFS and Rock Ridge are historical curiosities used for CD's. |
| 05:02.52 | za | peterrooney, adduser foo audio ? |
| 05:03.04 | callie | ive done that za |
| 05:03.05 | peterS | pw: what filesystems does VMS support? I assume it has its own, but I don't know the name of that. does it support any unix or other "foreign" filesystems? |
| 05:03.12 | callie | this is how it looks so far |
| 05:03.15 | callie | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Sep 11 03:55 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp |
| 05:03.25 | za | ouch |
| 05:03.30 | peterS | pw: our friend rich_ here is quite sure that VMS supports ext2 / ext3. I think he's a bit daft |
| 05:03.32 | pw | peterS: Nowadays one uses ODS-5 on FILES-11, and it talks ISO9660. |
| 05:03.40 | pw | rich_: You're completely wrong. |
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| 05:03.46 | za | callie, why is it a recursive symlink ? |
| 05:03.57 | callie | you're asking me? |
| 05:04.16 | za | callie, have you type "ln -sf /dev/dsp ..." recently ? |
| 05:04.17 | peterrooney | callie: wtf? /dev/dsp is a link to itself? huh? |
| 05:04.34 | callie | i didnt change anything |
| 05:04.50 | callie | appart from adduser callie audio |
| 05:04.51 | za | wasn't me your honor |
| 05:05.00 | peterS | callie: you should 'rm /dev/dsp; cd /dev; MAKEDEV audio' |
| 05:05.16 | rich_ | I dont see why you would consider it an operateing system if you cant even mount a different filesystem. I realise people are fascinated by the pretty colors such things make on their screens but I dont think they should call them operateing systems |
| 05:05.22 | za | unless your using devfs |
| 05:05.27 | pw | rich_: eh? |
| 05:05.37 | pipeline | peterS: There's four or five VMS filesystems, and they're all a bit weeeird by UNIX standards. |
| 05:05.43 | rich_ | pw eh. |
| 05:05.45 | pipeline | rich_ is surely a troll. |
| 05:05.49 | peterS | rich_: what has the term "operating system" to do with non-native filesystem support? |
| 05:05.56 | za | pipeline, I'm beginning to think so |
| 05:05.58 | peterS | pipeline: I imagine |
| 05:06.09 | pw | pipeline: No there aren't. There's FILES-11 which is the disk format and ODS2 and ODS5 which are the filesystems. That's yer lot under VMS. |
| 05:06.20 | pw | Oh, and ISO9660 for CDs. |
| 05:06.27 | callie | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Sep 11 07:05 /dev/dsp |
| 05:06.33 | pipeline | pw: Does it do rockridge, too, out of curiousity? |
| 05:06.34 | peterS | callie: much better |
| 05:06.34 | za | callie, looks better |
| 05:06.39 | peterrooney | callie: that looks better |
| 05:06.44 | tct | how good is NTFS support in linux? cause I dont want to risk damaging my xp partition |
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| 05:06.47 | pw | pipeline: Not sure offhand. |
| 05:06.47 | rich_ | peterS This styarted with you saying they dont support ext2/3. If they arent linux they arent sh!t, and really shouldnt be considered. |
| 05:06.52 | Phated | tct: I hear it works. |
| 05:07.00 | pw | tct: For read access, it's fine |
| 05:07.06 | pw | write access is "interesting". |
| 05:07.07 | peterrooney | peterS: odds? |
| 05:07.07 | pipeline | tct: Read support is perfectly safe. Compressed files don't work. windows lvm is a bit dodgy, but safe as far as I can tell. |
| 05:07.14 | tct | well yeah it can read |
| 05:07.15 | peterS | rich_: that's pretty closed-minded. Linux has crappy support for NTFS, does that make it a POS as well? |
| 05:07.18 | peterrooney | za: odds? |
| 05:07.23 | tct | but writing :/ |
| 05:07.25 | callie | ok so what do you think i should do now guys??? |
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| 05:07.31 | Phated | rich_: that's bullshit. To disclude everything else as not good enough, simply because "they arent linux"... |
| 05:07.36 | za | low :) |
| 05:07.37 | peterS | callie: "adduser yourusername audio" |
| 05:07.39 | Phated | callie: You're trying to play sound? |
| 05:07.45 | Phated | callie: What peterS said. :) |
| 05:07.53 | callie | ive already done that |
| 05:07.55 | rich_ | peterS No ntfs was a pos long before linux added write support for the ntfs filesystem |
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| 05:08.07 | Phated | callie: Then you should be good to go. Try playing something. |
| 05:08.08 | rich_ | peterS its in 2.6.8 |
| 05:08.14 | peterS | rich_: ntfs is *not* a POS. it has features ext3 did not get until kernel 2.6 |
| 05:08.23 | peterS | rich_: what makes you say ntfs is a POS? other than NIH? |
| 05:08.45 | Phated | NIH? |
| 05:08.50 | peterrooney | callie: You may need to restart the program that was trying to use the sound. |
| 05:08.50 | Phated | !NIH |
| 05:08.51 | dpkg | it has been said that nih is "Not Invented Here" - a syndrome often suffered by developers and companies who tend to reinvent the wheel for no reason other than being able to put their name on it. |
| 05:08.53 | Phated | Ahh. |
| 05:08.58 | rich_ | peterS Because it takes a half hour to boot up and down. |
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| 05:09.06 | peterS | Phated: in other words, "it's Microsoft, it must be crap" |
| 05:09.06 | Phated | callie: Oh, and log out and back in. :) |
| 05:09.22 | pw | NTFS has its problems, mostly centred around performance. |
| 05:09.24 | peterS | rich_: in fact, ntfs was around before Linux got *any* journaling filesystems. ntfs is "logging", which is not identical to journalling, but offers some of the same features |
| 05:09.26 | za | a FAT doesn't really model a real filesystem in any way |
| 05:09.27 | Phated | peterS: Oh, crap, some MS products, much as it pains me, actually work fine. Minesweeper, for oen. :) |
| 05:09.28 | pw | Featurewise, it's nifty. |
| 05:09.46 | peterS | Phated: fortunately minesweeper is an easy game to clone, so multiple ones have been written for unix / linux (: |
| 05:09.53 | stew | Phated: heh |
| 05:09.56 | za | a real filesystem surely looks more like a tree... |
| 05:09.56 | peterS | Phated: and yes, I agree, I run 'winmine.exe' on occasion myself |
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| 05:10.10 | peterS | Flimzy: morning |
| 05:10.11 | peterrooney | Phated: and MSIE's multi-file ftp action is kinda keen |
| 05:10.19 | Flimzy | Heya Peter |
| 05:10.20 | lexton | I didn't get a complete install of postfix so I'm trying to reinstall - but first I need to remove the package -- when I do apt-get remove postfix - it also asks me if I want to remove apache, samba and a few other packages |
| 05:10.21 | callie | ok thanks guys |
| 05:10.23 | callie | BRB |
| 05:10.24 | Phated | peterrooney: Exactly. :) |
| 05:10.31 | lexton | how can I get apt-get to just remove postfix |
| 05:10.32 | pw | Phated: I've often thought that if Microsoft could stick to Mac OS X software, games and mice, and give up on this silly "Windows" idea, they'd be much better. |
| 05:10.49 | KrOnOs | how can i install Apache 2.0.50 using apt-get ? |
| 05:10.50 | peterS | rich_: come to think of it, ntfs *still* has features that no Linux filesystem has. arbitrary forks, for one. reiser4 will have them, but it's not in linux yet |
| 05:10.52 | za | pw, I've thought that too |
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| 05:11.04 | stew | lexton: apt-get remove postfix, but you are going to need to pick somehting to take its place, like exim, or ssmtp |
| 05:11.05 | lexton | dpkg --force --remove postfix won't work either - complains of dependencies |
| 05:11.05 | dpkg | lexton: You are moron #1015 |
| 05:11.06 | pipeline | peterS: ReiserFS isn't a real good example of anything :P |
| 05:11.06 | za | pw, their new mice *are* pretty... 'pretty' too. |
| 05:11.07 | peterS | KrOnOs: first, make sure you're in debian unstable. then, apt-cache search apache2 |
| 05:11.09 | rich_ | peterS Well if you want it to support modern filesystems tell the guy at the software boutique and he will tell the guy he gets them from to tell whoever makes it to support them. I dont see why people who use computers should care about people who play those game things |
| 05:11.15 | Phated | peterS: Heh. I must admit that... There was a version of minesweeper for windows, can't rememver what it was called, but it was the BEST minesweeper clone around. Linux minesweepers are iffy. If playable. |
| 05:11.31 | Phated | pw: Hm... Always possible. Solitaire never crashes, does it? :) |
| 05:11.38 | pipeline | pw: Well, is there really anything wrong with their engineering? It would be nice if they stuck to sane API's, though, wouldn't it. |
| 05:11.51 | lexton | stew I want to reinstall postfix! |
| 05:12.01 | stew | lexton: apt-get install --reinstall postfix |
| 05:12.01 | peterS | rich_: WAIT a minute. first you said "these OSes don't support ____ filesystems, they must be crap." Now you are saying "who cares, filesystem support is a stupid game we don't care about" |
| 05:12.05 | Phated | It would be nice if they concentrated more on QC, but then everyone needs more QC. |
| 05:12.07 | peterS | rich_: kindly make up your mind |
| 05:12.11 | pw | pipeline: Their Windows Office developers aren't a patch on the Mac OS X Office developers |
| 05:12.13 | peterrooney | dpkg, can i be a moron too? |
| 05:12.18 | dpkg | peterrooney: are you smoking crack? |
| 05:12.28 | peterS | !moron peterrooney |
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| 05:12.29 | dpkg | peterrooney: You are moron #63 |
| 05:12.37 | pw | !britsmite rich_ |
| 05:12.55 | stew | hey whats wrong with snooker! |
| 05:13.03 | Phated | It's rather boring. |
| 05:13.07 | stew | its fun! |
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| 05:13.12 | Phated | Though in short bursts it's OK. |
| 05:13.16 | callie | nope :( |
| 05:13.17 | za | It's almost as boring as cricket? |
| 05:13.21 | callie | still no sound |
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| 05:13.26 | Phated | No, cricket is worse. |
| 05:13.26 | stew | ok, endless hours is pushing it i guess |
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| 05:13.33 | stew | cricket is worse |
| 05:13.38 | Phated | callie: OK, checklist. Have you relogged in? |
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| 05:13.47 | Stormfrog | hmm... how come my 200Gb driver only ended up as an 184Gb drive when I am done with partitioning/creating fs/mounting? |
| 05:13.57 | callie | uhuh Phated |
| 05:14.00 | peterrooney | callie: What is your X session/window manager, and what app are you using to make sound? |
| 05:14.00 | peterS | stew: cricket rocks. assuming you can stay awake |
| 05:14.01 | za | Stormfrog, metadata takes space |
| 05:14.07 | Phated | callie: Hm... |
| 05:14.09 | callie | im using gnome |
| 05:14.09 | Stormfrog | za: metadata? |
| 05:14.13 | callie | with xmms |
| 05:14.15 | rich_ | peterS Ive consistantly said that modern operateing systems support multi filesystems. You quibbled that some support more than others. The fact is thats rare and ussually due to the fact that some software requires features other file systems dont have, like permissions, or extended attributes. I still say If they dont support ext2/3, I wouldnt even consider it, and I dont even use ext2/3, thats just a low end standard. |
| 05:14.17 | Phated | OK, we need troubleshooting here, STAT! |
| 05:14.19 | za | Stormfrog, 16GB seems a lot though :) |
| 05:14.25 | Stormfrog | and freaking 16Gb? |
| 05:14.32 | stew | dpkg: cmd: britsmite (.*?) =~ s/snooker/cricket/ |
| 05:14.32 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 05:14.33 | za | Stormfrog, the filesytem data takes space on the drive |
| 05:14.34 | Stormfrog | yes... that seems alot |
| 05:14.35 | Phated | 16GB is a lot. |
| 05:14.35 | stew | woop |
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| 05:14.56 | pipeline | rich_: Well, fortunately, you're an idiot, and the rest of the world doesn't make decisions on the basis of ext2 or MINIXFS support. |
| 05:15.00 | Phated | dpkg: cmd: britsmite (.*?) =~ s/cricket/(snooker|cricket)/ |
| 05:15.01 | dpkg | OK, Phated |
| 05:15.04 | Phated | There. |
| 05:15.07 | stew | fine |
| 05:15.08 | stew | :) |
| 05:15.10 | peterS | rich_: "rare" for pretty much *everyone* to only support their own native filesystem(s), plus iso-9660 for CDROMs? actually that's the common case. it's *rare* for an OS to support significantly *more* than its own native one or two |
| 05:15.10 | Phated | :D |
| 05:15.12 | peterrooney | in xmms preferencs, what output plugin are you using? |
| 05:15.15 | rich_ | pipeline Then maybe the rest of the world is in the wrong channel :) |
| 05:15.16 | Stormfrog | Could I have done something wrong when I created the filesystem? |
| 05:15.23 | peterrooney | callie: in xmms preferencs, what output plugin are you using? |
| 05:15.52 | pipeline | rich_: No, I think it's just you. Perhaps you should try #windoze or #sunstools |
| 05:15.56 | peterS | rich_: or you are. it's getting less and less fun to argue with your tunnel world view |
| 05:16.00 | Phated | rich_: Oh, it's just you. |
| 05:16.26 | stew | Stormfrog: also remember that when manufacturers advertise 200gb disks they are not 200 * (1024 ^ 3), but are 200 * (1000^3) |
| 05:16.38 | callie | peterrooney, ALSA |
| 05:16.40 | peterS | rich_: foreign filesystem support is such a *minor* feature issue for most of the things these other unixes / vms / winnt are used for, it's not even funny |
| 05:16.52 | pw | I use VMS all day every day. |
| 05:16.59 | pw | Foreign FS support is not an issue. |
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| 05:17.19 | peterS | pw: exactly. when was the last time you had a hard disk from AIX or Linux and needed to pop it into your VMS cluster? (: |
| 05:17.25 | pw | Quite. |
| 05:17.30 | Flimzy | Is there any conventional wisdom regarding video resolutions when ripping DVDs, to mantain the original aspect ratio? For instance, a 16:9 widescreen film has a resultion of 720:360 which is an actual ratio of 2:1. To get an actual 16:9 pixel:pixel ratio, I'd have to stretch the height to 405 pixels. But then when displayed on a standard monitor, the _visible_ aspect ratio will be 8:3. So... the question becomes, should I encode the DVD |
| 05:17.31 | Flimzy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:17.33 | callie | peterrooney, if i do a pnpdump i dont see my sound card ??? |
| 05:17.34 | stew | !(200 * 1000000000) / (1024*1024*1024) |
| 05:17.34 | dpkg | 186.264514923096 |
| 05:17.39 | stew | Stormfrog: ^^ |
| 05:17.52 | peterrooney | callie: Do you have OSS driver available in prefs? |
| 05:17.53 | rich_ | Look I sympathise with you if you are stuck with thiose other things but if whoever makes them wanted you to use other filesystems, they would include suppoort for them. So maybe its best that you just use whatever filesystem they use, or use a modern os, which has support for many filesystems. |
| 05:17.54 | pw | There's these magic things called "Networks" and "Standard protocols" which we can use to transfer data, rich_. |
| 05:17.56 | za | Flimzy, check the mplayerhq.hu forums... |
| 05:18.05 | mwilson | Flimzy: Why would you need to rip the disc at all? |
| 05:18.09 | callie | peterrooney, ive tried them all |
| 05:18.09 | pw | rich_: You're talking bollocks. |
| 05:18.11 | Stormfrog | stew: oh |
| 05:18.11 | rich_ | Its a question of compatability |
| 05:18.20 | Flimzy | mwilson: Thank you for your much appreciated input. |
| 05:18.22 | Flimzy | za: Okay, thanks. |
| 05:18.27 | stew | Stormfrog: so blame the marketting weenies |
| 05:18.34 | Stormfrog | stew: those bastards! |
| 05:18.37 | stew | yup |
| 05:18.41 | za | hehe |
| 05:18.41 | Stormfrog | :D |
| 05:18.45 | rich_ | If you dont like being limited to ntfs, why dont you try linux? |
| 05:19.02 | Stormfrog | Ill sue them pants off |
| 05:19.05 | mwilson | Flimzy: What input? I asked a question. |
| 05:19.05 | pw | rich_: Eh? |
| 05:19.06 | peterrooney | callie: I'm out of ideas. I'm runing debian on a mac, and have minimal familiarity with pnp. |
| 05:19.14 | mwilson | Flimzy: What's the point of ripping the disc? |
| 05:19.22 | rich_ | pw eh. |
| 05:19.24 | peterrooney | callie: you may want to check into what GNOME is using for sound. |
| 05:19.44 | mwilson | Flimzy: I've yet to find any reason to bother with doing it, and I have lots of DVD's. |
| 05:19.57 | Angelo- | hi, i'm trying to install libc6-dev, but i get this error message: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-13) but 2.3.2.ds1-16 is to be installed |
| 05:19.58 | Phated | peterrooney: Isn't it usally esd or some such? |
| 05:20.08 | peterS | Flimzy: dunno, but if I were to guess, I'd say the best option is to go with 720x405. assume square pixels on the playback system, but also assume that it knows to put black bars above and below the picture as needed |
| 05:20.10 | stew | peterrooney: macs dont have PnP! they must suck!! ;) |
| 05:20.14 | Flimzy | mwilson: Then you obviously don't have the answer to my question, so you needn't speak up. |
| 05:20.19 | callie | peterrooney, well thanks for your help |
| 05:20.27 | callie | im sure i'll suss it out |
| 05:20.29 | pw | rich_: You have failed to demonstrate why the presence or otherwise of foreign FS support makes an operating system "modern" or not. |
| 05:20.31 | pipeline | OF makes pnp sort of unnecessary, no? |
| 05:20.38 | za | Flimzy, check dvdrip for a less brain intensive way |
| 05:20.40 | mwilson | Flimzy: I didn't say I had the answer to your question. I was rather hoping you had the answer to mine. |
| 05:20.42 | peterS | pipeline: huh? OF as in open firmware? |
| 05:20.43 | peterrooney | callie: there is also #xmms. |
| 05:20.44 | pw | And mwilson: "DVDs" </apostrophe-police> |
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| 05:21.08 | Flimzy | peterS: If the playback system is, say, my PC, it will certianly include black bars... but then the image will still be distorted, b/c (to my knowledge) most PC playback software does not compensate for lack of square pixels. |
| 05:21.12 | Flimzy | mwilson: I'm sorry, I don't. |
| 05:21.17 | Flimzy | za: That's what I'm using. |
| 05:21.24 | rich_ | pw You mean you actually consider being limited to ntfs a desireable feature? Goodness, how metaphyisical. |
| 05:21.35 | peterS | Flimzy: right, that's why I say "assume square pixels on the playback system" - i.e., encode at 720x405 or whatever |
| 05:21.37 | Flimzy | za: And dvdrip's automatic resize presets seem to assume square pixels. |
| 05:21.49 | mwilson | Flimzy: So you have no idea why you do it, then? |
| 05:21.58 | peterrooney | Phated: I suspect it's esd, but it's hard to say becuase I'm in Enlightenment directly, not in GNOME. |
| 05:22.06 | Flimzy | peterS: But my point is... the playback system does *not* have square pixels (at least not in the common case of using my own PC to play back). |
| 05:22.12 | Flimzy | mwilson: That's right. Crazy huh? |
| 05:22.18 | Phated | peterrooney: I used gnome/KDE once upon a time, and recall something called esd. So hm. |
| 05:22.20 | za | Flimzy, ah, I've not encountered that |
| 05:22.21 | Phated | !esd |
| 05:22.22 | dpkg | from memory, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
| 05:22.24 | pw | rich_: kindly demonstrate how being able to read foreign filesystems makes an operating system modern. For bonus marks, you could give a real-world example of where this would be useful outside the context of a geek's PC. |
| 05:22.32 | Flimzy | za: Simple math is all it takes to realize it :) |
| 05:22.33 | Phated | Hm. Oh well. |
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| 05:22.55 | Flimzy | za: It converts to a 1.7777 ratio... i.e. 16:9. Which assumes square pixels (which very few PC displays have). |
| 05:22.55 | peterS | Flimzy: ahh. I would expect playback software to assume the input signal had square pixels, and compensate however is appropriate (black bars, etc). possibly it makes different assumptions, or is configurable |
| 05:23.00 | rich_ | pw It means that you can read the drive with a different computer. Big boy stuff. |
| 05:23.02 | za | Flimzy, I've never been any good at arithmetic :( |
| 05:23.09 | pw | rich_: Why would you ever want to do that? |
| 05:23.11 | Flimzy | za: it does th emath for ya ;) |
| 05:23.14 | pfanner | rich_: networking. |
| 05:23.25 | Flimzy | peterS: maybe so... hmm... I dunno. I must find a way to test! |
| 05:23.52 | peterS | Flimzy: anyway, PC displays *do* have square pixels, typically. monitors are almost exactly 4:3, and if you use 1024x768 or 1600x1200, that's also 4:3. the oddball resolution being 1280x1024, which is 5:4 and which I've never understood (1280x960 is much more sensible) |
| 05:23.58 | rich_ | pw You wouldnt, if you just want to plan your calender I guess. Its a thing people do with computers. |
| 05:24.10 | mwilson | When did PC displays stop having square pixels, anyway? |
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| 05:24.26 | pw | rich_: Why would you EVER want to read a VMS box's disk in, say, a Solaris box? |
| 05:24.26 | Flimzy | peterS: 4:3 makes for pixels that are 33% wider than they are tall. |
| 05:24.32 | peterS | Flimzy: only if your monitor is square |
| 05:24.34 | Flimzy | peterS: er... n/m |
| 05:24.36 | peterS | Flimzy: mine is 4:3 |
| 05:24.42 | Flimzy | peterS: right... my bad... hmmm |
| 05:24.48 | mwilson | Flimzy: No. 4:3 makes for a *screen* that's 33% wider than it is tall. |
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| 05:25.08 | rich_ | pw You cant think of a reason? What if it had teddy bears on it, and you wanted to see them? |
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| 05:25.17 | Flimzy | peterS: So perhaps my first assumption ("Maybe I'm making this too complicated") is indeed true... |
| 05:25.25 | peterS | Flimzy: heh. possible. |
| 05:25.27 | pw | rich_: So, the basic answer you're giving is "I don't know". |
| 05:25.50 | peterS | Flimzy: as I said, why 1280x1024 caught on is a mystery to me, since it's 5:4 and thus pixels aren't square on most monitors. but that's the aberration, the other standard resolutions are all 4:3 |
| 05:25.55 | rich_ | pw I dont see why you would think being able to see what is on the drive is niot a good reason. |
| 05:26.12 | callie | one thing you may know peterrooney how do increase the defualt resolution from 1024x768 ? |
| 05:26.14 | rich_ | pw It seems to me thats what drives are for |
| 05:26.43 | peterS | rich_: on "the drive"? how often do you put a drive from one OS into a computer running a different OS? as a tinkerer you might, but people in a business environment ALMOST NEVER have any need to do this |
| 05:26.48 | pw | !helixsmite rich_ |
| 05:26.57 | rich_ | pw I cant believe your seriously questioning why modern operateing systems have the ability to use more than one filesystem |
| 05:27.19 | pw | You can't give me a reason why you'd need to. |
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| 05:27.40 | rich_ | I dont understand what it is that you dont like about that obviously great feature |
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| 05:27.51 | peterS | rich_: we can't figure out why you think everyone needs it |
| 05:27.53 | rich_ | pw I told you, to see the teddy bears |
| 05:27.53 | pw | I'm not saying anything about whether I like it or not. |
| 05:27.59 | pw | rich_: So you don't know. |
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| 05:28.11 | Flimzy | peterS: I guess now I have to wonder if a DVD assumes square pixels. If it does, then I should not do any resizing whatsoever. |
| 05:28.27 | rich_ | If you dont want tpo read the drive you dont have to, but I dont see how you could possibly not consider the ability to read the drive a goiod feature |
| 05:28.29 | peterS | rich_: the biggest reason I can think of to want a zillion filesystems supported by your OS is for dick size war purposes |
| 05:28.35 | peterS | rich_: frankly, most of us grew out of that phase some time ago |
| 05:28.41 | Flimzy | peterS: But that would also mean it doesn't conform to a 16:9 aspect ratio... (maybe it's not supposed to) |
| 05:29.12 | peterS | Flimzy: I've seen DVDs with various ratios. they're not always 16:9. the black bars above and below the screen are varying sizes |
| 05:29.18 | Phated | If you don't -need- it, as most regular computer users don't, I don't see why it's an "obviously great feature". |
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| 05:29.29 | Flimzy | peterS: Okay. |
| 05:29.37 | za | 1.77777777.... = 16/9. Just realised that. :) |
| 05:29.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: cause it's 1337? |
| 05:29.46 | stew | 1:2.35 (or whatever) seems to be much more common than 16:9 for dvds |
| 05:29.47 | Flimzy | za: Aye... didn't I say that? :P |
| 05:29.51 | peterS | rich_: the problem is that none of us can see where you would have a production OS and suddenly need to import a disk from a different OS into it. how often do you expect most people (not tinkerers) would *ever* need to do this? |
| 05:29.59 | Phated | I mean, come on. Most Linux-ers could consider themselves regular computers users, but how often, REALLY, do we need more than ext3/2/whateverelseweuse? |
| 05:30.01 | za | Flimzy, you said it, I just proved it to myself :) |
| 05:30.06 | Flimzy | za: hehe |
| 05:30.09 | peterS | rich_: you go on and on about "reading the data" but you never explain where this "the data" came from and why you can't just use it on the OS it was written with |
| 05:30.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bleh. Backscroll or /lastlog rich_ |
| 05:30.14 | Flimzy | stew: That's roughly what this one seems to be |
| 05:30.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
| 05:30.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 05:30.31 | za | Flimzy, I only realised a couple of days ago that 0.9999... = 1 btw :) |
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| 05:30.38 | Phated | za: 0_0 |
| 05:30.44 | Flimzy | Actually, this one is 3:2 with the black bars, or 2:1 without |
| 05:31.01 | Flimzy | za: hehe... I love proving that to ppl. I was shown 3 ways to do it in highschool math class. |
| 05:31.22 | Phated | Flimzy: Proving what? |
| 05:31.23 | za | =) |
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| 05:31.27 | rich_ | peterS So your point is that the users dont need computers, and prefer date planners? Then why not discuss it with the guy who sells the little single filesystem date planners? |
| 05:31.33 | Flimzy | Phated: 0.9... = 1 |
| 05:31.53 | peterS | rich_: my point is that users don't need computers that read someone else's hard disk on someone else's OS. they need computers that can read and write data on their own hard disks, in their own format. |
| 05:32.00 | Phated | rich_: WTF. We're saying that we use computers, but don't need to read a million filesystems. I use a sum total of TWO fs's. |
| 05:32.07 | peterS | helix: not really |
| 05:32.07 | Phated | Flimzy: Oh, go on. |
| 05:32.10 | stew | helix: you didn't |
| 05:32.15 | peterS | helix: rich_ is either very very stupid, or a troll. possibly both |
| 05:32.34 | helix | peterS: what's the executive summary? |
| 05:32.38 | helix | (about the topic..) |
| 05:32.44 | Flimzy | Phated: 1/3 = 0.3..., and 1/3 * 3 = 1, and 0.3... * 3 = 0.9..., thus 0.9... == 1 |
| 05:32.44 | za | n = 0.9999.... so 10n = 9.9999.... and 10n-n = 9, hence 9n=9, so n = 0.9999.... = 1 |
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| 05:32.45 | Stormfrog | Whhaat iiis theee matriix? |
| 05:32.50 | peterS | helix: (1) rich_ said "all unixes can read ext2 / ext3 / whatever, and so can VMS" |
| 05:32.56 | peterS | helix: (2) we proved that this was ridiculous |
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| 05:32.58 | rich_ | helix They claim linux has too many filesystems and other unixs sometimes suppoort only a few and therefore ntfs is best because it only supports one. |
| 05:33.05 | Phated | Flimzy: Ah, bleh. Done it a million times. |
| 05:33.10 | peterS | helix: (3) he said "oh how terribly backwards, I can't believe anyone uses those so-called OSes then" |
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| 05:33.21 | Flimzy | Phated: Then why'd you tell me to "go on"? |
| 05:33.25 | peterS | helix: (4) we all said "how often do you need to read data from some other OS, on your computer? most people *never* need to" |
| 05:33.35 | Phated | Flimzy: I was curious to see if you had a different method. :) |
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| 05:33.47 | peterS | helix: (5) rich_ said "well, shrug, if you don't want to read your data, fine, but I still can't see why you'd want to use an OS that doesn't support all modern filesytems" |
| 05:33.52 | peterrooney | Phated: That failed miserably. |
| 05:33.54 | peterS | helix: we are now cycling between (4) and (5) |
| 05:33.57 | helix | ah |
| 05:34.03 | Flimzy | Phated: Ah. za told another method... the only one that's considered a mathematical "proof", IIRC. |
| 05:34.10 | Phated | peterrooney: Hm? |
| 05:34.15 | Phated | Flimzy: Ah. |
| 05:34.15 | kruzi | hey all using unrar if i have a file thats split up into 15 .rar files eg: filename.rar and filename.r01, r02 etc and i wanna extract from command line, how would i? i cant work it out via man unrar and i dont wanna damage the files? |
| 05:34.20 | helix | peterS: thanks for bringing me up to speed :) |
| 05:34.21 | rich_ | I still say that modern operateing systems support many filesystems and I consider calling anything made by tinylimp an operateing system to be nit picking |
| 05:34.42 | rich_ | nit picking at best |
| 05:34.42 | pipeline | what the heck is tinylimp? |
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| 05:34.42 | peterS | helix: like all good trollwars, it didn't take long to cover the relevant points (: |
| 05:34.42 | Phated | za: Ooh, I like that one. |
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| 05:34.55 | stew | kremlyn: unrar x blah.rar |
| 05:35.00 | Phated | peterS: And go straight to the flaming? :) |
| 05:35.01 | Flimzy | Phated: The other method is to devide 1.0000000 by 1 using long division... but "accidentally" assume that 1 goes into 10 only 9 times... (far easier to demonstrate on paper than on IRC). You'll end up with 0.9... instead of '1' as your answer |
| 05:35.03 | peterS | Phated: heh |
| 05:35.10 | kruzi | stew: but blah.rar is 15 files |
| 05:35.11 | helix | peterS: yeah. much better to read the summary than backscroll.. |
| 05:35.12 | rich_ | pipeline tiny=micro. Limp=soft. TinyLimp=MicroSoft |
| 05:35.17 | peterS | helix: happy to be of service |
| 05:35.23 | Flimzy | s/1.0000000/1.0.../ |
| 05:35.30 | peterS | rich_: we get it. we didn't laugh because we didn't think it was funny |
| 05:35.33 | za | Phated, I liked it because it's so obviously correct. Its the same way we prove that 1/3 = 0.3333.... |
| 05:35.35 | Phated | Flimzy: But that would be... Meh. |
| 05:35.35 | stew | kruzi: is there not one that is actually .rar? |
| 05:35.38 | peterS | xoz: you are moron #152 |
| 05:35.42 | helix | god, that's cheesier than "M$" |
| 05:35.44 | Phated | za: Yes, that's a nice one, I agree. |
| 05:35.50 | stew | kruzi: in any case unrar x ... is not going to damage anything, i promise |
| 05:35.53 | rich_ | peterS He asked, I ansered |
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| 05:36.08 | kruzi | stew: there's 15 rar files which is really 1 .iso file - the rar files are 15Mb each |
| 05:36.27 | stew | kruzi: do any actually end in ".rar"? |
| 05:36.40 | kruzi | stew: yes the first one |
| 05:36.45 | stew | kruzi: unrar x blah.rar |
| 05:36.48 | kruzi | stew: then the next one is .r01 .r02 etc |
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| 05:37.28 | za | kruzi, you usenet pirate you |
| 05:37.42 | boukensya | how would I tell my apt to only get firefox from sid? |
| 05:37.42 | boukensya | and not everything else |
| 05:37.49 | kruzi | za: excuse me? |
| 05:38.02 | stew | boukensya: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 05:38.10 | xoz | za: but 10n-n = 9n != 9 |
| 05:38.15 | Phated | boukensya: Are you on sid? I hope so. In that case, apt-get install mozilla-firefox? |
| 05:38.18 | Flimzy | za: Don't be silly. He's to NEW for usenet. He got that using Kazaa. |
| 05:38.26 | boukensya | I am on testing/sarge |
| 05:38.43 | Phated | xoz: But 10n-n = 9.9999 - 0.9999 = 9n = 9 |
| 05:39.01 | xoz | Phated: it should be equal in all premise. |
| 05:39.01 | Phated | boukensya: In that case, see backports.org. |
| 05:39.15 | stew | Phated: backports is only woody iirc |
| 05:39.22 | Phated | xoz: No, you need to substitute in the value of n... |
| 05:39.32 | boukensya | cool. will check those out thanx |
| 05:39.33 | Flimzy | xoz: 10n-n != 9nl 10n-n = 9 |
| 05:39.35 | Phated | stew: Really. My bad then. I thought it included sarge. |
| 05:39.42 | Flimzy | s/9nl/9n;/ |
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| 05:39.55 | za | xoz, n=0.9999... so 10n-n = 9.9999 - 0.9999 hence 9n = 9 so that n = 1. |
| 05:39.59 | kruzi | za: so rather than calling me a pirate can you actually offer any advise? |
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| 05:40.04 | xoz | Phated: it's only true if n=1, otherwise... no. |
| 05:40.10 | za | kruzi, sure, rar x foo.rar |
| 05:40.12 | stew | kruzi: i gave you all the advice you need... |
| 05:40.17 | za | and read the 1337 nfo ! :) |
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| 05:40.36 | Flimzy | xoz: Which is why that proves that 0.999... == 1 |
| 05:40.52 | mwilson | kruzi: You're *not* a thief? |
| 05:40.59 | stew | boukensya: you can setup both testing and unstable sources, and man apt_preferences, then use apt-get -t |
| 05:41.03 | rich_ | boukensya Well first of all, its not really adviseable. Second of all, you put set up/etc/apt/sources.list so it has some deb-src lines in it that point to the new dist. Then you use apt-get to download and compile the sources of the new dist |
| 05:41.13 | Flimzy | Has anyone here used DVD::Rip to encode OGGs in cluster mode? |
| 05:41.24 | stew | boukensya: what rich means is /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 05:41.36 | rich_ | bougyman Yes/ like stew said |
| 05:41.38 | Phated | xoz: Dude. n = 0.9999 10n = 9.999 10n - n = 9.999 - 0.9999 = 9 = 9n. |
| 05:41.43 | rich_ | stew thanks |
| 05:41.45 | kruzi | stew: it doesnt work |
| 05:41.50 | kruzi | i get file header problems |
| 05:41.54 | stew | kruzi: then you need a newer version of unrar |
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| 05:42.15 | kruzi | im running woody, current |
| 05:42.15 | scarynetworkguy | stew: just ask the bot about simple sid backport |
| 05:42.31 | za | xoz, 0.9999... = 1. It's no trick. 0.9999... is just another name for 1. Like 0.3333... is another name for 1/3. |
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| 05:42.47 | stew | scarynetworkguy: i have, many times. i was the one who recommended that to boukensya |
| 05:43.05 | juliusmalch | goodmorning everybody, Is there a place on the net on which issue a package request? |
| 05:43.25 | scarynetworkguy | stew: coolness. I just saw the last bit. :) |
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| 05:43.33 | stew | juliusmalch: whats a package request? |
| 05:44.01 | stew | juliusmalch: bug report? |
| 05:44.24 | juliusmalch | stew, no, just a request for a package which is not it in sarge/unstable |
| 05:44.32 | peterS | juliusmalch: http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
| 05:44.44 | peterS | juliusmalch: ^^^ packages requests are labeled with "RFP" for "request for packaging" |
| 05:44.52 | Angelo- | i'm using testing and i'm trying to apt-get libc6-dev but i get this message: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-13) but 2.3.2.ds1-16 is to be installed, how can i fix this? |
| 05:44.52 | MerlinCorey | ah but really .9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 *might as well* be 1... not so sure about .999 - that's stretching it a bit for me :) |
| 05:45.09 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: that all depends |
| 05:45.13 | juliusmalch | peterS, thank you |
| 05:45.14 | peterS | MerlinCorey: depends on context. sometimes 3 significant figures is more than enough |
| 05:45.22 | stew | juliusmalch: check apt-get.org to see if someone else is packaging it |
| 05:45.38 | MerlinCorey | I was "taught" always have at least 5 signifigant digits... |
| 05:45.56 | peterS | didn't get to that |
| 05:46.08 | peterS | MerlinCorey: it really does depend |
| 05:46.18 | MerlinCorey | *significant |
| 05:46.19 | peterS | MerlinCorey: a lot of times in physics experiments, 3 is all you have from your measurements anyway |
| 05:46.24 | MerlinCorey | very late all the sudden |
| 05:46.44 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: That's why we've been saying 0.9... the ... means "continuing" |
| 05:46.50 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: Any highschool algebra grad should know that :P |
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| 05:47.34 | za | more correctly, the ... means continuing forever... |
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| 05:47.42 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: well, the _ above the nine would, but IRC doesn't exactly come with MathML, :p |
| 05:47.43 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Well, when you start rounding off, 9.9 might as well be one, eh? |
| 05:47.55 | MerlinCorey | 10? |
| 05:48.02 | MerlinCorey | it would never round to 1 :p |
| 05:48.12 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: Yes... which is why "..." is also a mathematecally accepted standard. |
| 05:48.26 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: For mediums other than IRC, too. |
| 05:48.41 | pw | !helixsmite rich_ |
| 05:48.52 | MerlinCorey | peterS: re physics: I always a better student in pure math than physics :( |
| 05:48.54 | helix | :) |
| 05:49.07 | peterS | MerlinCorey: more fun when you don't have that pesky experimental error, eh? |
| 05:49.12 | MerlinCorey | and I got screwed in my senior year of high school, too. |
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| 05:49.35 | MerlinCorey | stupid american schools and their not having higher level courses... |
| 05:49.38 | rich_ | pw Ok, let me take a different approach. Puppies. In order to see the puppies, you have to be able to read the filesystem that the puppies are on. Not you, but your computer has to read it. |
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| 05:49.57 | helix | MerlinCorey: is your real name "merlin corey"? |
| 05:50.16 | MerlinCorey | helix: no... though my mother was going to name me merlin... |
| 05:50.29 | helix | MerlinCorey: oh. so what is that name from? |
| 05:50.32 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oops. :) |
| 05:50.41 | helix | pw has a cat named merlin. |
| 05:50.47 | peterS | maybe his real name is Merl |
| 05:50.56 | Phated | Merl? |
| 05:51.00 | helix | like Perl |
| 05:51.02 | peterS | like Meryl, only shorter |
| 05:51.06 | helix | oh |
| 05:51.17 | MerlinCorey | helix: roger zelazny's (zelazny.freenode.net anyone?) Chronicles of Amber, books five through ten... |
| 05:51.23 | helix | err |
| 05:51.32 | peterS | who is Amber? |
| 05:51.39 | peterS | never mind, that's just trolling |
| 05:51.40 | MerlinCorey | no, what is... |
| 05:51.40 | MerlinCorey | it's a place... |
| 05:51.47 | MerlinCorey | it is the center of Order... |
| 05:51.50 | pw | helix: had. |
| 05:51.51 | helix | it's also a thing |
| 05:51.52 | pw | Not has. |
| 05:51.53 | helix | pw: :O |
| 05:52.00 | pw | She left. |
| 05:52.03 | MerlinCorey | or rather the pole..? |
| 05:52.05 | helix | oh :/ |
| 05:52.08 | rich_ | sounds like terrapin. |
| 05:52.09 | helix | pw: how long ago? |
| 05:52.09 | MerlinCorey | it's quite complicated... |
| 05:52.21 | pw | Three or four months. |
| 05:52.36 | peterS | this is my brother Merl, and this is my other brother Merl |
| 05:53.17 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: heh |
| 05:53.33 | MerlinCorey | helix: re it's also a thing; but in the context of Roger Zelazny's universe, it is a place :) |
| 05:53.37 | stew | neato: /msg mathbot Sum[9/10^n, {n,1,Infinity}] |
| 05:53.43 | MerlinCorey | (thus capitalized as a proper noun) |
| 05:53.49 | helix | MerlinCorey: yes, I got that |
| 05:54.15 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 05:54.36 | MerlinCorey | helix: well, 'tis a decology, so technically, silly novels... |
| 05:54.37 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 05:54.51 | rich_ | If I could read I wouldnt be on irc. Id probably be wealthy and famous. |
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| 05:55.05 | helix | rich_: no, that's if you could write |
| 05:55.09 | MerlinCorey | you have speech to text running well, rich_... |
| 05:55.10 | peterS | MerlinCorey: bah. if it were any good it would just be a 10-book trilogy, Ã la Hitchhiker |
| 05:55.33 | MerlinCorey | peterS: it's available in 1 big book... |
| 05:55.34 | za | there are 10 hitchhikers? :) |
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| 05:55.46 | peterS | za: no, only 5 |
| 05:55.46 | MerlinCorey | and it's quite good</opinion> |
| 05:55.57 | MerlinCorey | I've read it, so I gt an opinion - you don't :) |
| 05:55.58 | peterS | za: but that's where the idea comes from that a trilogy can transcend three volumes |
| 05:56.05 | MerlinCorey | s/gt/get |
| 05:56.05 | rich_ | MerlinCorey Yes I can pick out words, but obviously it isnt english. You have to read good to understand books and stuff, not like irc. |
| 05:56.11 | za | oh |
| 05:56.12 | MerlinCorey | well..? |
| 05:56.28 | MerlinCorey | I think it reading well helps on IRC... |
| 05:57.01 | za | stew, mathbot is mathematica? |
| 05:57.16 | Phated | "read good" Heh. |
| 05:57.29 | MerlinCorey | reference well :p |
| 05:57.31 | za | Phated, you don't gotta read good to get that |
| 05:57.38 | Phated | za: Obviously not. |
| 05:57.46 | rich_ | I read a long time ago, big books and stuff but that was in the time before. Before irc. |
| 05:57.51 | za | just gotta spel well |
| 05:58.19 | MerlinCorey | rich_: so you stopped reading in '88..? |
| 05:58.33 | za | apparenty we dot evn hae to spel wel to be understod correcty |
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| 05:59.11 | SerajewelKS | You don't hvae to selpl crtolrcey at all, as long as the fsrit and lsat lreetts of ecah word are crocert. |
| 05:59.11 | MerlinCorey | helix: it's been tried... |
| 05:59.14 | peterS | za: what you say! |
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| 05:59.26 | MerlinCorey | helix: I was banned from #geekissues once because of them... |
| 05:59.32 | peterS | MerlinCorey: you and karsten need to hook up. the two of you could have an orgy with the dot keys on your keyboards |
| 05:59.42 | za | peterS, my grammar is terrible, I know it. |
| 05:59.43 | helix | they're annoying |
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| 05:59.50 | Phated | SerajewelKS: That has been proven, you know. |
| 06:00.02 | pfanner | za: nope, if just the first and last letter is the correct, the rest can be a mess and people will still understand it. People even studye in that |
| 06:00.06 | peterS | !confuse SerajewelKS |
| 06:00.07 | dpkg | no, who are my hamster tomorrow, SerajewelKS? by order of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
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| 06:00.15 | SerajewelKS | Phated, i know, i wrote a program to do that |
| 06:00.20 | rich_ | MerlinCorey started stopping I guess. Only seems to me it was before that, with usenet. By the time irc came the usenet had me down to just a paragraph or so at a time, and then irc reduced it to a line. |
| 06:01.11 | wpostma | Has anyone got openoffice working with hindi, or other non-latin fonts? kedit works in hindi, but open office doesn't (I installed the relevant oo-i18n-hi package and indic ttf fonts) |
| 06:01.13 | za | pfanner, yeah, I read something about those brain things, and how they fill in the blanks. |
| 06:01.13 | MerlinCorey | helix: I've heard worse... in fact... they're called the three dots of apocalypse on one channel I frequent :) |
| 06:01.33 | peterS | MerlinCorey: I think you'd do well as a telegraph operator |
| 06:01.47 | nailbiter | SerajewelKS, Phated: not necessarily. :) there's an interesting paper at microsoft research that pulls together lots of studies about how people read based on word shapes (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/ctfonts/WordRecognition.aspx) |
| 06:01.56 | MerlinCorey | peterS: you know little about operating a telegraph, apparently ^^; |
| 06:01.56 | za | lol |
| 06:01.58 | pfanner | za: Aye. |
| 06:02.06 | peterS | MerlinCorey: you'd have fun with the dots, at least, surely |
| 06:02.19 | SerajewelKS | nailbiter, SlweeearKjS, Pteahd: not nelcarsesiy. :) trhee's an istieenntrg pepar at mrsofciot rcaeesrh that pllus tteogehr ltos of seudtis about how poplee read besad on word saephs |
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| 06:02.31 | SerajewelKS | seems to work ;) |
| 06:02.37 | Phated | nailbiter: MS? :D How reliable is their info again? :D |
| 06:02.41 | scarynetworkguy | nailbiter: which is *old* news to any Linguistics student |
| 06:02.44 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Heh, cool. |
| 06:02.59 | SerajewelKS | Phated, it took me all of 15 minutes to write it in C ;) |
| 06:03.05 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Cool. |
| 06:03.07 | za | apt, forget morse |
| 06:03.21 | SerajewelKS | it's fun to run text documents through them and post them online |
| 06:03.26 | nailbiter | Phated: i wouldn't confuse microsoft research with the rest of the company. :) they do quite a bit of interesting work .. |
| 06:03.39 | peterS | nailbiter: they pay me, indirectly, even |
| 06:04.08 | nailbiter | peterS: really? your employer's a Microsoft subsidiary? |
| 06:04.34 | MerlinCorey | peterS: actually, it's just a habbit I developed early on in my IRC life that's hard to break because I do it by reaction now, and have for many years... actually, it started on a forum, but carried over to IRC... it's a differentiation mechanism because I have this horrid little thing where I have to be "different"... |
| 06:04.36 | peterS | nailbiter: no, I'm doing contract work for an ergonomics professor on a grant from Microsoft to study some usability stuff |
| 06:04.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: in this case they are right but just late to the party. Hell we went over that in my morppology class over 10 years ago and it was *not* new back then |
| 06:04.57 | Lilguy | doing a full upgrade to testing :) |
| 06:05.07 | nailbiter | peterS: ah. :) if you don't mind me asking, what's the study about? |
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| 06:05.31 | peterS | nailbiter: readability effects of certain OpenType techniques |
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| 06:05.49 | rich_ | I happen to have great respect for tinylimp. They made secretaries think they were computer users which made them buy about ten times as much hardware as was needed for the tasks they needed doing, which made the price of hardware go down, so I didnt have to walk a quarter of a mile to a "computer cluster" to use the internet. |
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| 06:06.00 | SerajewelKS | i like how M$ comes up with these (TM) names for tech terms |
| 06:06.06 | za | "Download "Cock Sucker" Windows XP Service "Motherfucker" Pack 2 (SP2) for the shafting latest security technologies that help you protect your PC against gangbangs, hackers, and cocksucks. Install it today." |
| 06:06.09 | SerajewelKS | like ClearType instead of sub-pixel hinting |
| 06:06.12 | peterS | nailbiter: it's *really* *not* very exciting stuff, but I have no idea how much is supposed to be NDAd or whatever, so I won't go into any details |
| 06:06.13 | helix | shut up about MS |
| 06:06.17 | za | pornolize.com is so much fun |
| 06:06.20 | SerajewelKS | it's very entertaining |
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| 06:06.38 | MerlinCorey | if that makes any sense... |
| 06:06.54 | helix | MerlinCorey: it didn't. you're too "different" and "weird" for us to understand |
| 06:07.04 | MerlinCorey | so I do apologize, as I'm not *trying* to annoy anyone... |
| 06:07.21 | MerlinCorey | it's quite unconcious :/ |
| 06:07.29 | MerlinCorey | I'll take weird, too... |
| 06:07.29 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 06:07.53 | peterS | MerlinCorey: what's your IRC client? maybe I will do you the favor of writing an IRC plugin that filters your lines before they get sent out, to replace "..." with random other punctuation and/or embarrassing stuff. that ought to cure you pretty quickly |
| 06:07.54 | helix | MerlinCorey: what about 'delusional'? |
| 06:08.35 | helix | peterS: I believe you'd be doing all of us a favor :) |
| 06:08.49 | MerlinCorey | peterS: I hardly need you to do that, considering I am one of the three people that have written SDKs for writing plugins for my IRC client... there's actually scripts for my IRC client which take them out of your receive lines... |
| 06:08.53 | wpostma | Does anyone know if there are any manually configurable font handling options for Open Office at all? I want to get hindi fonts working. |
| 06:08.56 | peterS | MerlinCorey: a few iterations of having your "..." replaced with "(and btw, I suck dick for money)" and similar ought to do wonders for your terminally ingrained habits |
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| 06:09.12 | Phated | peterS: That would be horribly mean. |
| 06:09.17 | peterS | helix: yeah, obviously I wouldn't really be doing it for *him* |
| 06:09.18 | helix | it would rule |
| 06:09.27 | peterS | Phated: nah, I really care about merlin here. I want him to be cured |
| 06:09.28 | Shorty` | MS have patented tabing between links in a browser |
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| 06:09.46 | nvz | za: I finally got that one.. but I am not going to bother laughing now |
| 06:09.54 | MerlinCorey | peterS: well, thanks but no thanks, but you're just setting me back... |
| 06:09.54 | wpostma | Shorty: LYNX has them on prior art for that. |
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| 06:10.15 | Shorty` | wpostma: they've still got it |
| 06:10.18 | MerlinCorey | I've been coming out of it day by day, but everytime people tell me to stop..... well, it just goes the opposite way in my head... |
| 06:10.28 | Phated | peterS: Ahh. |
| 06:10.36 | helix | /mode +b ... |
| 06:10.40 | wpostma | Shorty: having a patent is meaningless, if attempts to extort money using it fail because of prior art. :-) |
| 06:10.52 | peterS | Phated: it's just like curing the violent criminals in "A Clockwork Orange" |
| 06:10.56 | MerlinCorey | helix: you'd need to be on unrealircd and use +f ;) |
| 06:10.59 | Phated | peterS: I see. |
| 06:11.09 | peterS | Phated: I mean, it's for his own good |
| 06:11.15 | wpostma | I'm playing with "UserLinux" beta-1, it's essentially Sarge. :-) |
| 06:11.25 | helix | failing that, can we use electric shock therapy? |
| 06:11.29 | MerlinCorey | peterS: is individuality such a bad thing..? |
| 06:11.32 | za | Microsoft have been granted the patent on navigating webpages with the tab key yesterday. So remember to call your tab key something else when doing so. |
| 06:11.34 | pipeline | Convenient for them that a Debian release was so close, eh? |
| 06:11.37 | helix | haha |
| 06:11.39 | helix | hahahaha |
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| 06:11.44 | za | took em 7 years to get it ! |
| 06:11.47 | peterS | MerlinCorey: forced individuality is |
| 06:11.51 | Dewi | za : I don't think it was specifically with the tab key |
| 06:11.57 | MerlinCorey | peterS: forced..? |
| 06:12.02 | MerlinCorey | peterS: how so..? |
| 06:12.04 | za | Dewi, aw damn |
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| 06:12.07 | Dewi | za : just with the keyboard, right? which is pretty funny since hypertext predates mice |
| 06:12.11 | peterS | MerlinCorey: if you don't have a personality that you can't express except with habits that others find annoying ... that's really a shame |
| 06:12.23 | MerlinCorey | peterS: that's harsh... |
| 06:12.24 | peterS | errr, too many negatives, but you know what I mean |
| 06:12.36 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: yes but the first American edition of A Clockwork Orange, The version the rest of the world got, or the movie? |
| 06:12.43 | za | Dewi, so navigating with the keyboard might infringe on it ? |
| 06:12.49 | peterS | MerlinCorey: the point is, you probably *do* have a personality, and you probably *do* have a recognisable writing style other than the ellipses |
| 06:13.08 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Like the :P. :D |
| 06:13.10 | Dewi | za: from what I've heard, lynx is in trouble :D |
| 06:13.17 | za | dewey, :( |
| 06:13.17 | MerlinCorey | peterS: of course, but you have to look *past* the ellipses...... perhaps it is a lesson in acceptence for you.? |
| 06:13.18 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: I was thinking of the Kubrick movie, but hey, it would be making the same point in any of those, right? |
| 06:13.20 | rich_ | If you like anthony burgess, try 'one hand clapping' |
| 06:13.28 | za | dewey, and links, and w3m ! :( |
| 06:13.32 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Or #debian-offtopic. :D |
| 06:13.33 | MerlinCorey | :p |
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| 06:13.37 | peterS | MerlinCorey: I can accept annoying writing styles. I do not have to respect them |
| 06:13.41 | SerajewelKS | Phated, lol yeah |
| 06:13.56 | streuner_ | Sam Sep 11 08:13:56 CEST 2004 |
| 06:13.59 | SerajewelKS | Dewi, za, lynx sucks anyway. ELinks forever! |
| 06:14.05 | helix | streuner_: ? |
| 06:14.10 | peterS | MerlinCorey: anyway, just FYI, I've seen quite a few people who overuse ellipses. so if you thought it made you unique - sorry, dude |
| 06:14.21 | za | SerajewelKS, I quite like links |
| 06:14.26 | streuner_ | ah, saturday, i wondering what the hell is going on, that's not a suprise then ;-) |
| 06:14.33 | Phated | za: Links, or lynx? :) |
| 06:14.34 | MerlinCorey | peterS: as is your perrogative.... man my spelling went to crap... mayhap you'll be happy to note I do not write as such in poem or prose, or in my code (whether in comment or output)... |
| 06:14.35 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: nope. The movie is based off of the first American editon which only has 20 chapters. later American versions and the version the rest of the world got had 21 chapters. Too complex to go into here but while the movie rocks the 21st chapter gives it a whole new point |
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| 06:14.52 | za | Phated, links :) |
| 06:14.57 | SerajewelKS | i like ELinks because it adds color and some other useful stuff (and google doesn't have it banned) |
| 06:15.01 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: does this whole new point obliterate the reference to "curing" violent criminals by changing their psychology? |
| 06:15.02 | Phated | za: Bah, elinks forever. |
| 06:15.08 | kruzi | hey all using lftp, once im connected to a site how do i limit the speed to 30kb/s - i want to do it from prompt once connected as opposed to in the flags to start the actual program is this possible? |
| 06:15.11 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Google bans links and lynx? |
| 06:15.14 | za | the E scares me. I'm thinking Emacs. |
| 06:15.28 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:15.28 | KrOnOs | how can i uninstall all PHP files ? |
| 06:15.29 | SerajewelKS | Phated, google had links banned at one point. i don't think lynx was banned. |
| 06:15.35 | Phated | SerajewelKS: But why? |
| 06:15.42 | SerajewelKS | KrOnOs, dpkg -P php4 |
| 06:15.51 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: no that part does not change. I was just teasing. |
| 06:15.51 | streuner_ | KrOnOs: installed by apt? |
| 06:15.52 | SerajewelKS | Phated, nobody knows, google never explained why |
| 06:15.58 | Phated | SerajewelKS: How odd. |
| 06:16.02 | Dewi | damn evil google |
| 06:16.03 | KrOnOs | i installed it manually |
| 06:16.08 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: that, or demonstrating that you know the difference between the 20-chapter and 21-chapter editions |
| 06:16.08 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: linkage to that please |
| 06:16.10 | SerajewelKS | Phated, indeed |
| 06:16.11 | za | google is useless lately anyway |
| 06:16.13 | pfanner | links www.google.com works atm. |
| 06:16.20 | MerlinCorey | Dewi: you know their policy is "don't be evil"..? |
| 06:16.22 | streuner_ | KrOnOs: rm /usr/local/php* |
| 06:16.35 | helix | za: pfft. where else can you find the greatest blog content as the first hit in your query? |
| 06:16.39 | za | %99 of links it finds are stupid advertising site meta site things |
| 06:16.39 | Dewi | MerlinCorey : I thought their policy was "be evil, no matter what"? |
| 06:16.43 | streuner_ | KrOnOs: i hope you have those files installed there |
| 06:16.43 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: yeah well there was the element of showing off. yes |
| 06:16.44 | Dewi | MerlinCorey : I must have read it wrongly |
| 06:16.44 | MerlinCorey | peterS: no, so it only bothers you when you can see it..? |
| 06:16.55 | SerajewelKS | i think google unbanned links eventually, but it scared me to death... one day google just comes up with "you have been banned" ... turns out all links users were banned |
| 06:17.00 | helix | scarynetworkguy: s/an/the/ |
| 06:17.02 | peterS | MerlinCorey: lots of things that I do not see do not bother me. I suspect this is true of most people |
| 06:17.12 | tcsetattr | User-Agent headers are such a damn stupid idea. |
| 06:17.17 | MerlinCorey | perhaps you missed my statement, peterS..? |
| 06:17.26 | SerajewelKS | tcsetattr, they're a good idea, they're just abused |
| 06:17.30 | scarynetworkguy | helix: yes |
| 06:17.32 | tcsetattr | the next HTTP RFC should simply mandate that User-Agent is a fixed string, whatever happens to be in the last Micros~1 release. |
| 06:17.34 | MerlinCorey | or you're just being smart, which is fine and dandy... |
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| 06:17.40 | peterS | tcsetattr: see http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UserAgentString for a viewpoint quite sympathetic to yours |
| 06:17.46 | helix | scarynetworkguy: it worked - we're all *really* impressed! |
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| 06:17.55 | tcsetattr | the idea that the server should need to know what kind of client is connecting defeats the whole point of having a standardized protocol. |
| 06:18.12 | za | export HTTP_USERAGENT=$RAND |
| 06:18.16 | scarynetworkguy | helix: heh |
| 06:18.19 | peterS | tcsetattr: it is a nice extra bit of information, but it is *way* too easily abused |
| 06:18.24 | za | +OM ? uh... nm |
| 06:18.29 | tcsetattr | google still has snarf banned. So I used snarf -m (which impersonates Micros~1). What's the point? |
| 06:18.30 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, i'm looking for a URL to the google ban, please stand by |
| 06:18.44 | peterS | tcsetattr: it *is* used to good effect for things like working around certain known bugs in certain clients, like selectively turning off HTTP 1.1 features |
| 06:18.58 | azreal | hey, what do i need for xmms to play real media files? |
| 06:19.02 | za | peterS, the client should be fixed though |
| 06:19.05 | helix | it's neat to see what browsers people use to visit my website(s) |
| 06:19.08 | peterS | tcsetattr: google cares about user agent? that surprises me |
| 06:19.11 | tcsetattr | bah. |
| 06:19.23 | helix | azreal: I think you just need to use realplayer |
| 06:19.33 | azreal | i thought this used to work with xmms |
| 06:19.37 | tcsetattr | somehow, IP and TCP have managed to work without having an explicit "what OS are you" field in their headers. |
| 06:19.37 | peterS | helix: go on, tell him the other name for the modern realplayer client |
| 06:19.38 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Yeah phear my mad 1337 obscure SF skillz |
| 06:19.41 | azreal | oh |
| 06:19.42 | tcsetattr | but HTTP can't do the same? |
| 06:19.44 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, http://linuxfromscratch.org/pipermail/elinks-users/2003-May/000013.html |
| 06:19.48 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 06:20.08 | helix | scarynetworkguy: yeah. ok. |
| 06:20.09 | azreal | hmm, mozilla wants to open up .ram files with xmms, is why i thought it used to work, its been a while though :-\ |
| 06:20.11 | za | tcsetattr, sure it can. It does already. |
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| 06:20.28 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: actually I don't think most people would consider Clockwork Orange to be precisely *obscure* |
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| 06:20.32 | azreal | helix: thanx, i guess ill install realplayer |
| 06:20.34 | rich_ | azreal Most work with mplayer and theres some kind of mplayer plugin for xmms. However Ive tried it and at the time it did not handle streams gracefully so I suggest you eliminate the xmms middleman and just use mplayer |
| 06:20.35 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: despite the fact that most of us have only seen the movie |
| 06:20.42 | helix | is it obscure like the rocky horror picture show? |
| 06:20.47 | za | tcsetattr, HTTP isn't the problem, it's idiots putting HTML inside browser dependent crap |
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| 06:20.56 | azreal | rich_: k |
| 06:20.56 | MerlinCorey | peterS: so you were just being smart, eh..? |
| 06:20.58 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 06:21.08 | SerajewelKS | so anyway, google forced me to upgrade to elinks, and frankly i'm glad they did... elinks is tons better than links |
| 06:21.11 | peterS | MerlinCorey: can't help it. brains just seem to spill out on my keyboard, sometimes (: |
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| 06:21.22 | MerlinCorey | h4w h4w... |
| 06:21.30 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yeah, elinks rocks |
| 06:21.34 | MerlinCorey | better go to sleep... |
| 06:21.48 | peterS | SerajewelKS: note, links2 has its partisans these days - you might try that as well. I haven't tried it much, so I don't have much of an opinion |
| 06:21.55 | peterS | SerajewelKS: it's in unstable as well |
| 06:22.17 | helix | I couldn't even tell a difference |
| 06:22.20 | tcsetattr | (echo "GET /search?q=something" HTTP/1.0;echo "User-Agent: snarf/7.0 (http://www.xach.com/snarf)";echo)|perl -pe 's/\n/\r\n/'|nc www.google.com 80 |
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| 06:22.28 | SerajewelKS | peterS, so then i'll just keep using elinks =) |
| 06:22.34 | peterS | SerajewelKS: works for me |
| 06:22.43 | peterS | SerajewelKS: the big selling point of links2 is its X mode |
| 06:22.43 | Phated | peterS: Links2 in a GUI is pretty sweet. |
| 06:22.58 | za | !dog |
| 06:22.58 | dpkg | dog is, like, at http://www.nl.linux.org/~wsl/dog.html (Buffering replacement for cat) or a mammal which is sometimes called mans best friend, or a footstool, or god spelled backwards |
| 06:23.03 | peterS | SerajewelKS: possibly the most lightweight, yet still modern and supporting semi-modern rendering features, GUI browser |
| 06:23.07 | tcsetattr | that gets you a "banned" page, which refers to http://www.google.com/terms_of_service.html |
| 06:23.17 | SerajewelKS | peterS, i thought the idea of a text-mode browser is that it is text-mode |
| 06:23.32 | za | !dog is also cats from www |
| 06:23.32 | dpkg | okay, za |
| 06:23.40 | helix | links2 -g displays graphics |
| 06:23.47 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yeah, I thought that was weird too. but 'links2 -g' (graphics mode) actually does bear quite a bit of resemblance to its classic links look |
| 06:24.06 | helix | it's neat |
| 06:24.10 | SerajewelKS | well if i want quick response i use elinks, and if i want flash and gfx i use opera |
| 06:24.14 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I guess someone thought there was a place for a really lightweight GUI browser |
| 06:24.30 | peterS | SerajewelKS: and dillo is, let's face it, a POS |
| 06:24.30 | SerajewelKS | peterS, i think it's been done (dillo) |
| 06:24.32 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: that's my point. Knowing about the different versions of the book *is* pretty obscure knowledge |
| 06:24.41 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 06:24.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes yes it is |
| 06:24.43 | za | SerajewelKS, firefox now has an 'adbar' extension. To display those lame adverts opera does ! |
| 06:24.46 | SerajewelKS | tru dat |
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| 06:24.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeppers. |
| 06:24.59 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: well, that is, yeah. but the general subject isn't. when I think "obscure SF" I think in terms of books and authors I've never heard of |
| 06:25.04 | SerajewelKS | za, keygen |
| 06:25.18 | peterS | SerajewelKS: now, links -g might suck as well, but I have a hard time believing it would suck as hard as dillo |
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| 06:25.44 | rich_ | So far, Ive had less trouble with mozilla than any other. Thats whats most important to me in a browser, because I dont enjoy fiddleing with the web. |
| 06:25.50 | za | SerajewelKS, firefox doesn't need one :) And we can now have the same in yer face targetted advertising that we get with opera ! |
| 06:25.57 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: cool. Then it's just a problem of my phrasing. |
| 06:26.00 | tcsetattr | when dillo works, it's great. I love the "grab any part of the window with Button2 and drag it" interface |
| 06:26.02 | Phated | peterS: Pretty much nothing sucks as much as dillo. |
| 06:26.07 | helix | it's pretty sad that links2 -g supports png's and IE doesn't |
| 06:26.10 | peterS | Phated: that's my assumption |
| 06:26.15 | peterS | helix: IE doesn't? |
| 06:26.20 | Phated | helix: Really? |
| 06:26.21 | tcsetattr | I find myself tying to grab scrolling windows with Button2 in other programs |
| 06:26.21 | helix | peterS: not transparency |
| 06:26.22 | Phated | peterS: Yep. |
| 06:26.25 | peterS | helix: ah, right |
| 06:26.26 | za | of course it does |
| 06:26.31 | SerajewelKS | za, does firefox support mouse gestures? have a quick options menu to turn stuff on and off? |
| 06:26.36 | za | just not well... you could have guessed that much though. |
| 06:26.41 | za | SerajewelKS, yes. It does. |
| 06:26.42 | Phated | SerajewelKS: With an extension, yes. |
| 06:26.49 | helix | screw firefox |
| 06:26.54 | rich_ | tcsetattr In fvwm you can set your mouse functions to do anything you want |
| 06:26.59 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: to include IE? |
| 06:26.59 | peterS | tcsetattr: you mean Adobe Acrobat Reader style scrolling, here? |
| 06:27.02 | SerajewelKS | to be honest i tried firefox... and was not impressed at all |
| 06:27.10 | peterS | tcsetattr: that is a nifty feature indeed |
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| 06:27.11 | tcsetattr | uh, Adobe Acrobat is some non-free thing, right? |
| 06:27.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hm? No, to use mouse gestures in FireFox. |
| 06:27.19 | helix | every time you upgrade you have to reinstall extensions |
| 06:27.25 | peterS | tcsetattr: yes. xpdf mimics its middle button scroll thing, though |
| 06:27.28 | za | tcsetattr, non-free-as-all-hell yeah |
| 06:27.28 | helix | some of which don't exist for that version |
| 06:27.30 | tcsetattr | yeah, xpdf does it too |
| 06:27.33 | helix | which is pretty f'in stupid |
| 06:27.34 | SerajewelKS | firefox is like a primitive version of opera. a free primitive version, but still primitive. |
| 06:27.44 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I see |
| 06:27.46 | Xylene | does anyone know what module a SMC1211TX network card uses in Debian? I googled around but I don't see it, and there are two SMC modules in the installer. |
| 06:27.47 | rich_ | tcsetattr Oops I forgot some applications grab the mouse signals. So not quite all apps. |
| 06:27.48 | peterS | tcsetattr: so you *are* talking about the kind of drag-scrolling that xpdf does, then. just making sure |
| 06:27.53 | tcsetattr | sorry I don't have the ability to describe features by analogy to non-free programs that I'll never use :) |
| 06:28.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yep. |
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| 06:28.12 | za | Xylene, try modprobe em both, see which one doesn't complain |
| 06:28.24 | tcsetattr | mozilla should get tha drag-scrolling feature |
| 06:28.24 | peterS | tcsetattr: ahh. I first saw that feature in Acrobat Reader, so I assumed it was invented by them. it might or might not have been, but that's why I used it as a reference |
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| 06:28.35 | SerajewelKS | when/if firefox is up to opera's level i'll use it |
| 06:28.56 | Phated | I use firfox mainly for the tabs. |
| 06:28.58 | za | SerajewelKS, when/if opera gets up to firefox's level. I probably still won't use it. |
| 06:29.17 | SerajewelKS | Phated, opera has tabs |
| 06:29.46 | za | SerajewelKS, do you work for Opera Software? |
| 06:29.50 | SerajewelKS | no |
| 06:29.59 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Yeah, but firefox is lighter on my poor system. :) |
| 06:30.07 | SerajewelKS | but i have yet to find as good a browser |
| 06:30.16 | SerajewelKS | true, opera is a big memory hog |
| 06:30.21 | za | SerajewelKS, so I guess you've just never seen firefox' extensions then? "<SerajewelKS> firefox is like a primitive version of opera." |
| 06:30.26 | helix | all browsers suck in some manner |
| 06:30.37 | rich_ | wget |
| 06:30.41 | za | the www sucks. |
| 06:30.42 | peterS | galeon 1.2.5, of course |
| 06:30.44 | rich_ | I love wget |
| 06:30.50 | tcsetattr | w3m sucks least :) |
| 06:30.53 | SerajewelKS | za, i was too turned-off by firefox's preferences interface to worry about extensions |
| 06:30.55 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: yeah. And is Opera free? |
| 06:31.06 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, thanks to keygens, sure |
| 06:31.23 | holo | scarynetworkguy, is there opera for linux? |
| 06:31.25 | za | SerajewelKS, so your saying "Firefox' preferences sucks more than opera ? |
| 06:31.31 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: not as in beer as in DFSG |
| 06:31.37 | peterS | SerajewelKS: bah. talk about your software piracy on some other channel, please. the point of Debian is that nobody *has* to break the law, because all the stuff you want is legally free |
| 06:31.37 | SerajewelKS | if you don't want to go the keygen route you can always block google ads with iptables |
| 06:31.46 | za | scarynetworkguy, or even as in money |
| 06:31.48 | Phated | What's wrong with the firefox prefs? |
| 06:31.54 | rich_ | I use wget then I look at the file and find the address in the file it gets that says mms: . Then I use mplayer on the mms: part. Thats all the browser you need :) |
| 06:32.11 | nvz | SerajewelKS: let me get this straigt, you were too turned off by the prefs to learn about the ability to extend the prefs? |
| 06:32.12 | SerajewelKS | Phated, i found them... i don't know... the first word that comes to mind is incoherent |
| 06:32.24 | nailbiter | rich_: bah, you wget weenies. real men use telnet. |
| 06:32.27 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Odd, I find them all right. But oh well. :) |
| 06:32.29 | rich_ | If they were just honest about the mms: address I wouldnt even need wget |
| 06:32.31 | Phated | nailbiter: sftp. :| |
| 06:32.34 | scarynetworkguy | za: true but I don't care about that |
| 06:32.40 | SerajewelKS | to each his own |
| 06:32.41 | nailbiter | Phated: well, you can't browse the web with sftp. :) |
| 06:32.42 | za | nailbiter, weenie! near men use nc |
| 06:32.54 | Phated | nailbiter: Meh. |
| 06:32.55 | rich_ | ..but they hide it inside html files |
| 06:32.57 | Phated | nailbiter: ssh. |
| 06:33.04 | SerajewelKS | part of it is that i can't seem to find a decent mail client apart from M2 |
| 06:33.11 | nailbiter | Phated: you can't browse the web with that, either. :-P |
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| 06:33.31 | nvz | whats a decent mail client? |
| 06:33.37 | pfanner | mutt :) |
| 06:33.47 | Phated | nailbiter: ssh + elinks. :D |
| 06:33.50 | Phated | nailbiter: mutt. |
| 06:33.54 | nailbiter | za: hmpf. real men .. launch socket(2) calls in gdb to browse the web! :) |
| 06:34.03 | SerajewelKS | nvz, something that lets me keep different accounts separate, and view HTML |
| 06:34.14 | SerajewelKS | and something that integrates with a browser for hyperlinks |
| 06:34.19 | za | SerajewelKS, I agree that Opera's css/html email client is pretty cool. But Opera being a better browser I wouldn't agree with in the slightest. |
| 06:34.33 | SerajewelKS | my only gripe with M2 is that you can't export mail raw |
| 06:34.36 | Flimzy | I set up my DVD and CD-ROM drives to be mountable by a user (edited /etc/fstab, added 'user,noauto' to FS options). After a dist-upgrade, though (on testing) this is no longer working. Is there a known brokenness in testing to cause this? |
| 06:34.56 | SerajewelKS | za, what's the newest firefox out there |
| 06:35.06 | nailbiter | Phated: actually, that was how a handful of people used to browse the web in the very early days (before web browsers became very common) -- by mail. :) |
| 06:35.11 | peterS | Flimzy: hmmm. I'm not aware of any reason that shouldn't work |
| 06:35.19 | za | nailbiter, socket(2)/gdb is for wimps! Real men hardwire into the telephone socket and use an oscilloscope to look at webpages! |
| 06:35.27 | nailbiter | za: hahahaha |
| 06:35.30 | peterS | Flimzy: did you upgrade your kernel, by any chance? are the 'isofs' and/or 'udf' filesystem modules getting loaded? |
| 06:35.37 | za | SerajewelKS, 0.9.<something> |
| 06:35.55 | nvz | SerajewelKS: have you tried Evolution? |
| 06:35.58 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 06:35.58 | Phated | nailbiter: Ahhh. |
| 06:36.03 | SerajewelKS | on sarge 0.8 is the latest |
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| 06:36.17 | SerajewelKS | i think 0.7 was the one i didn't like, maybe it's better now |
| 06:36.27 | SerajewelKS | nvz, i've heard of it, but it's too big to install in one night |
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| 06:36.33 | za | SerajewelKS, send your opera to http://www.mozilla.org/ |
| 06:36.34 | za | :) |
| 06:36.52 | SerajewelKS | can't got mozilla.org blocked on the firewall ;) |
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| 06:36.53 | nvz | SerajewelKS: heh, well its more than a mail client, its a calendar and all that |
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| 06:37.11 | SerajewelKS | bah, i use my palmpilot for my calendar ;) |
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| 06:37.52 | nvz | SerajewelKS: have you tried the mozilla thunderbird or whatever it was they came out with? |
| 06:38.18 | SerajewelKS | no, is it fast? |
| 06:38.21 | firewar | *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found |
| 06:38.21 | firewar | *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in |
| 06:38.21 | firewar | *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the |
| 06:38.21 | firewar | *** full path to gtk-config. |
| 06:38.21 | firewar | configure: error: GTK is required! |
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| 06:38.34 | SerajewelKS | one thing i can't stand is a slow mail program |
| 06:38.43 | Flimzy | peterS: No... I think my DVD drive turns out just to be stupid... (seems to do this sometimes after I do lots of funky stuff with it) |
| 06:38.44 | SerajewelKS | opera is pretty snappy |
| 06:38.54 | peterS | Flimzy: heh, always possible |
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| 06:39.15 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: Mutt. I doubt you'll find anything faster |
| 06:39.18 | za | SerajewelKS, compared to what ? |
| 06:39.20 | nvz | no idea, dont know what a slow mail client is |
| 06:39.32 | firewar | can anybody help me |
| 06:39.35 | SerajewelKS | za, mozilla mail |
| 06:40.03 | SerajewelKS | mozilla is the slowest browser suite i've ever used, save netscrape |
| 06:40.05 | stew | firewar: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:40.07 | za | SerajewelKS, oh. Mail. Compared it against mozilla-thunderbird ? |
| 06:40.09 | firewar | I have a problem with gtk |
| 06:40.14 | streuner_ | firewar: that script looks for 'gtk-config', /msg dpkg search |
| 06:40.15 | trailertrash | how would i set up interfaces to jump out on a proxy:8080? |
| 06:40.21 | za | firewar, read the message you just pasted to us? |
| 06:40.24 | callie | i forgot how to check what version my kernel is |
| 06:40.26 | callie | ??? |
| 06:40.27 | streuner_ | firewar: and last not least /msg dpkg flood |
| 06:40.33 | za | callie, uname -a ? |
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| 06:40.46 | callie | thanks za |
| 06:41.07 | nvz | its actually uname -r |
| 06:41.14 | firewar | *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in |
| 06:41.14 | firewar | *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the |
| 06:41.14 | firewar | *** full path to gtk-config. |
| 06:41.14 | firewar | configure: error: GTK is required! |
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| 06:41.29 | stew | !cookie debhelper |
| 06:41.32 | SerajewelKS | za, if thunderbird is a slow as mozilla, it's too slow ;) |
| 06:41.34 | firewar | did you got it ??? |
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| 06:41.39 | nvz | gad.. damnit.. f.. |
| 06:41.42 | SerajewelKS | !tell firewar about flood |
| 06:41.43 | firewar | stew ??? |
| 06:41.51 | stew | !tell firewar about msg |
| 06:41.52 | za | actually -r just shows kernel release... but I'm sure -a shows that as well |
| 06:42.15 | za | !tell firewar about msg |
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| 06:42.22 | scarynetworkguy | firewar: don't paste here |
| 06:42.34 | kenboo | cat /proc/version |
| 06:42.38 | kenboo | same thing tho |
| 06:42.49 | za | SerajewelKS, opera is slower to start up than thunderbird is here *shrug* |
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| 06:43.11 | SerajewelKS | za, i mean rendering time |
| 06:43.20 | Gonzo | does anyone know the adress to add in sources.list to get my nvidea card installed |
| 06:43.27 | SerajewelKS | i can stand a slow load (i *do* use openoffice.org after all) if the interface is snappy |
| 06:43.37 | za | SerajewelKS, page rendering time is great on firefox |
| 06:43.42 | firewar | whick packages I need to instaal |
| 06:43.42 | Gonzo | tried to download the drivers with lynx but a can't get trough the webpages of nvidea |
| 06:43.49 | firewar | install |
| 06:43.50 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, the email, duh |
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| 06:43.58 | za | SerajewelKS, faster than IE in the tests at least (see google) |
| 06:43.58 | firewar | I order to enable GTK+ |
| 06:44.02 | firewar | ???? |
| 06:44.08 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, ever heard of text rendering? |
| 06:44.08 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: since when is displaying text "rendering" |
| 06:44.09 | stew | i get excellent rendering times with mutt |
| 06:44.12 | za | SerajewelKS, admit it. You work for Opera? Right? |
| 06:44.21 | SerajewelKS | za, nope |
| 06:44.26 | SerajewelKS | i just love their browser |
| 06:44.41 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, it's called "HTML rendering". google for it. |
| 06:44.46 | za | SerajewelKS, but you've never even tried firefox. You have no clue! |
| 06:44.55 | stew | ie might start showing you content sooner, but firefox finishes the rendering sooner |
| 06:45.09 | SerajewelKS | za, if you carefully read what i said a few minutes ago, you'll see that i tried 0.7 and didn't like it |
| 06:45.14 | firewar | which packages I need to install in order to enable GTK+ |
| 06:45.21 | trailertrash | Gonzo, using kernel 4.2.26, try nvidia-module-4.2.26-xx |
| 06:45.38 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: OK but since any sensible person would be deleting html email unread what does that matter? |
| 06:45.41 | za | SerajewelKS, 0.7 was long ago |
| 06:45.43 | tcsetattr | how do you get kernel 4.2.26? apt-get --from-future? |
| 06:45.45 | Gonzo | trailertrash |
| 06:45.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yep. |
| 06:45.50 | Gonzo | i did clean install |
| 06:45.56 | Gonzo | woody rc2 |
| 06:45.59 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, working with someone who uses outlook, i kind of don't have a choice |
| 06:46.00 | za | tcsetattr, kernel 4.2.26 ? :) |
| 06:46.14 | Poncha | haha |
| 06:46.33 | tcsetattr | or maybe my IRC client is just lagged by a few decades... |
| 06:46.36 | stew | firewar: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 06:46.36 | SerajewelKS | i don't understand the fear of html email |
| 06:46.36 | tcsetattr | that could happen |
| 06:46.37 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: sure you do don't read their email. If they wanna communicate with you they will change |
| 06:46.41 | trailertrash | apt-get kernel-image-2.4.26-1-whateva.deb |
| 06:46.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: for sure :D |
| 06:46.50 | Gonzo | whats the command to see kernel version? |
| 06:46.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 06:46.58 | firewar | Im trying to compile lopster |
| 06:46.58 | Phated | Gonzo: uname -r |
| 06:47.02 | Gonzo | thx |
| 06:47.03 | firewar | stew |
| 06:47.07 | za | =) |
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| 06:47.22 | stew | !lopster |
| 06:47.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, lopster is a napster clone for X using GTK+, available at http://lopster.sourceforge.net. It seems better than gnapster. --- correction, it kicks gnapster arse!, or see lopster.sourceforge.net, they got debian packages too!, or apt-gettable in Debian unstable. .deb avaiable at deb http://folug.linux.it/debian unstable main |
| 06:47.28 | stew | firewar: you don't need to compile it |
| 06:47.29 | Gonzo | 2.2.20 |
| 06:47.32 | firewar | yep! |
| 06:47.59 | SerajewelKS | someone explain why HTML email is evil |
| 06:48.00 | firewar | ok I saw it |
| 06:48.02 | firewar | thx |
| 06:48.15 | Poncha | set source: deb http://future.debian.org/ 2048 main ; apt-get update; apt-get install kernel-image-4.10.26 :) |
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| 06:48.44 | za | SerajewelKS, PDF email is the future. HTML email is stupid. |
| 06:48.51 | stew | 2048? as if we would have run out of toy story names by then |
| 06:48.56 | mwilson | Because generally the recipient isn't interested in the sender's moronic ideas as to color, fonts, and included images. |
| 06:48.57 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 06:49.10 | SerajewelKS | i actually don't like PDF |
| 06:49.12 | trailertrash | Gonzo, you might have to google to set it up after installing kernel, but nvidia-module-4.2.26-xx.deb in non-free, you still will need to check and configure |
| 06:49.14 | Phated | mwilson: Thank you. |
| 06:49.14 | Poncha | stew, thats my random number generator :) |
| 06:49.16 | Phated | I like PDF. |
| 06:49.35 | SerajewelKS | i prefer HTML ;) |
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| 06:49.41 | SerajewelKS | you can't edit PDFs with vim |
| 06:49.43 | Phated | Not fo email. |
| 06:49.43 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: It's insecure to start with. It's a waste of bandwidth. And I'd have to go count but it violates at least 3 tenents of the Unix Philosophy that I can think of off the top of my head |
| 06:49.53 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Except that you can, of course. |
| 06:49.56 | Phated | HTML for webpages - nice. HTML for email -FWOT. |
| 06:49.57 | Poncha | trailertrash, there will still be nvidia by the time kernel 4.2.26 is out? :)) |
| 06:49.57 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, how is it insecure? |
| 06:50.02 | Phated | mwilson: You can? |
| 06:50.08 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, sure you can edit PDFs, but it's not fun in vim |
| 06:50.15 | tcsetattr | explain why you don't want all your mail to be received as roff source and you'll know why normal people don't want HTML mail. |
| 06:50.18 | SerajewelKS | Phated, he means that you can edit binary files in vim |
| 06:50.19 | Phated | BLASPHEMY. |
| 06:50.20 | mwilson | Phated: Certainly. |
| 06:50.24 | Phated | mwilson: Cool. |
| 06:50.26 | rich_ | I never liked mail much because it seemed so retro, but since Ive started watching the morning call-in shows on cspan it occured to me that video and audio attachments are probably better than text. They show emails from people, and I wonder why those people dont just send video or audio attachments |
| 06:50.26 | trailertrash | 2.4.26 i mean :p |
| 06:50.27 | SerajewelKS | which is possible but stupid |
| 06:50.42 | Phated | HTML email - possible but stupider. |
| 06:50.43 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: I do? Funny, I didn't know that's what I meant. Wow, I'd better remove this plugin, then, and only do what you tell me I can. |
| 06:50.53 | Poncha | why pdf email anyway ?? |
| 06:51.00 | Poncha | whats wrong with mime ? |
| 06:51.04 | Phated | mwilson: OK, you need to explain... and teach us how to edit pdf in vim. |
| 06:51.05 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, PDF is a binary format, is it not? |
| 06:51.08 | za | html mail is like parallel port monitors or something |
| 06:51.14 | Phated | Poncha: What? Eew. We want plaintext email. |
| 06:51.24 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Not particularly, no. |
| 06:51.26 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: http://www.zzee.com/email-security/ |
| 06:51.30 | Poncha | Phated, with mime everyone can have what they want :) |
| 06:51.35 | Phated | Poncha: Heh. |
| 06:51.53 | Phated | SerajewelKS: I recommend you not go up against scarynetworkguy WRT security... |
| 06:51.58 | stew | pdf is basically bastardized ps iirc |
| 06:52.10 | KrOnOs | does linux have a "putty" of its own (shell version) |
| 06:52.12 | stew | i programmed in ps once, it was kind of a neat little esoteric language |
| 06:52.18 | Phated | KrOnOs: Er, ssh? |
| 06:52.27 | stew | hahah omg |
| 06:52.33 | Phated | stew: Any fun? |
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| 06:52.53 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, PDF is binary. i think you're talking about the PS before it's processed. |
| 06:52.54 | nailbiter | KrOnOs: invoke 'ssh' in your terminal emulator and you'll get about the same thing. |
| 06:52.58 | Phated | stew: Er, hahah omg? |
| 06:52.59 | Poncha | stew, postscript is a printer language, it's intended to be interpretted by printers, not screens ;) |
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| 06:53.25 | stew | Phated: fun, sure only that it was sorta very odd, but also very well thought out |
| 06:53.32 | Phated | stew: Nice. |
| 06:53.50 | scarynetworkguy | kruzi: Like Phated said ssh and if you want a Putty like term try pterm |
| 06:53.55 | stew | Phated: it was all based on stacks. stacks for everything if you wanted anything you had to find it on one of three stacks |
| 06:54.04 | Phated | stew: Cool. |
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| 06:54.07 | tcsetattr | putty is a symptom of a design flaw in windoze: the lack of the pty abstraction, which allows arbitrary terminal emulators (as well as genuine terminals) to be used to run any program, including ssh |
| 06:54.15 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: That's ok, I think you have no clue what you're talking about. |
| 06:54.15 | stew | Poncha: what about the NeXT's eps displat? |
| 06:54.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Wrong guy you're talking to. |
| 06:54.36 | Phated | tcsetattr: *A* design flaw? :) |
| 06:54.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: thanks |
| 06:54.51 | mwilson | Phated: http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/ |
| 06:54.55 | nailbiter | Poncha: not really; there's Display Postscript, for which there's an implementation in Debian. :) |
| 06:54.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 06:55.01 | Phated | mwilson: Thank you. |
| 06:55.08 | scarynetworkguy | KrOnOs: Like Phated said ssh and if you want a Putty like term try pterm |
| 06:55.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh dear, now I'll have an imcomplete 3Com. :D |
| 06:55.23 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, this is from a PDF |
| 06:55.29 | SerajewelKS | x~\~U~P?n?@^L~Fw?~E7~RJ?~^~]???~MV]??j???^C?^P?JHI~@?~?^B^AV?????~V?-JA(?~]??~A-??4~V=l~Q^F4?U~C~O?A^W~R^R~I~I^M?5^\?^H~UD-%?^F~B????W]??????8^T5rh^?~@^T?^\??g0 |
| 06:55.34 | za | oh dear |
| 06:55.35 | SerajewelKS | that look like plain-text? |
| 06:55.46 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
| 06:55.51 | tcsetattr | PDFs use some kind of compression, and they usually contain lots of images too. |
| 06:56.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 06:56.19 | trailertrash | SerajewelKS, need to get acrobat |
| 06:56.21 | Phated | PDFs are mainly for one purpose - ps2ascii. :D |
| 06:56.22 | SerajewelKS | tcsetattr, exactly. and compession/images are usually binary. |
| 06:56.29 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: I realize you have no clue, but I'm really not concerned with educating you. |
| 06:56.39 | Poncha | nailbiter, i'd say that is unnecessary, because there are quite a LOT of other decent formats that are good for screen rendering. |
| 06:56.40 | SerajewelKS | lol |
| 06:56.46 | Phated | mwilson: This looks cool. :) |
| 06:56.53 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, then stop trying to make scathing remarks |
| 06:56.57 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: You go right on believing whatever you want, and I'll go right on editing PDF's when I have the need. |
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| 06:57.09 | nailbiter | tcsetattr: well, yeah -- it's basically postscript content bundled into compressed chunks, with a table-of-contents stuck on the end .. |
| 06:57.09 | Phated | SerajewelKS: He's doing very well, actually. |
| 06:57.13 | mwilson | Phated: pdftk is very nice. |
| 06:57.15 | Poncha | nailbiter, why producing "yet another format for display rendering" ? |
| 06:57.18 | za | SerajewelKS, html is binary, in that same sense |
| 06:57.23 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 06:57.55 | nailbiter | Poncha: well, i don't know if it's "necessary" or not. :) but it can do quite a few neat tricks. it's possible, for example, to upload code to the display server, and then to invoke it remotely .. |
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| 06:58.00 | stew | Poncha: but then again, why ditch it when its one of the more mature formats? |
| 06:58.08 | SerajewelKS | za, i think you know what i mean |
| 06:58.17 | Phated | mwilson: Editing PDFs in a text editor. Sounds awesome. |
| 06:58.19 | SerajewelKS | za, and i knew someone was going to try and be a smart-ass like that eventually |
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| 06:58.40 | za | Seb, pdf2ps foo.pdf; vim foo.ps |
| 06:58.49 | rich_ | Ive used xpdf. It sucks, but what do you expect from a a protocal that was origionally essentially developed to arbitrarily porevent people from viewing it without buying windows? |
| 06:58.51 | stew | Poncha: ps is a fully functional very powerfull programming language. xml is just structured data. |
| 06:58.54 | za | SerajewelKS, psd2ps foo.psd; vim foo.ps |
| 06:59.04 | za | arf.. fix the spelling mistakes |
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| 06:59.06 | SerajewelKS | za, that's editing a postscript document |
| 06:59.20 | scarynetworkguy | my head hurts |
| 06:59.25 | za | SerajewelKS, pdf is a compressed one with a few extra thingies |
| 06:59.28 | rich_ | Its just another example of planned obsolescence. |
| 06:59.32 | za | SerajewelKS, anyway, that was just an example. |
| 06:59.36 | SerajewelKS | za, exactly. that's what i've been saying. |
| 06:59.46 | za | SerajewelKS, HTML email is just like JPG email. |
| 06:59.57 | za | SerajewelKS, We *could*, but why the hel would we ? |
| 06:59.58 | SerajewelKS | except that is' not |
| 07:00.32 | Poncha | stew, that is true. thats why i say that. basically any document is *data*. the representation of that data is what makes it render. (on screen, printer, or any other device). my vision is that any data would be in a same format and then you could render it as you wish on any device |
| 07:00.32 | za | SerajewelKS, ok then, XML email. Word(tm) email. RTF email... |
| 07:00.33 | Phated | Xpdf works fine. It provides its function. Done. |
| 07:00.41 | tcsetattr | heh. I'd rather get JGP mail. It'd waste less bytes. PNG would be better though |
| 07:00.46 | firewar | what do I have to do to enable lopster ????? |
| 07:00.49 | SerajewelKS | za, HTML and XML by all means |
| 07:00.57 | tcsetattr | JPG even |
| 07:01.01 | za | SerajewelKS, email is plain text. Anything else is just silly. |
| 07:01.05 | za | scarynetworkguy, dope. |
| 07:01.07 | stew | Poncha: the NeXT computers used ps for both display and priting, just as are wishing for |
| 07:01.14 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: SerajewelKS has been telling us all how the world works all night. |
| 07:01.23 | tcsetattr | he's a very good troll |
| 07:01.27 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: lucky us :) |
| 07:01.29 | Poncha | stew, what about blind people? um? |
| 07:01.32 | nailbiter | tcsetattr: well, just send .. ascii art! :) |
| 07:01.43 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 07:01.46 | Poncha | stew, and what about graphics disabled terminas ? |
| 07:01.51 | za | asciipr0n.com ! |
| 07:01.56 | Poncha | *terminals |
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| 07:02.11 | stew | Poncha: what about hitler! this has gone about far enough for me :) |
| 07:02.27 | nailbiter | Poncha: that's an excellent point. disabled access to GUI apps is also important .. |
| 07:02.31 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Earlier we were treated to his assertion that he'd found a way of making KDE 3.2 run using QT2. |
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| 07:02.59 | Phated | mwilson: Is that possible? |
| 07:03.04 | mwilson | Phated: No. |
| 07:03.13 | coywolf | dpkg: mppe |
| 07:03.13 | dpkg | coywolf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:03.15 | scarynetworkguy | stew: You can't invoke Hitler for the purpose of ending the convo. It you lose and it doesn't work. This is basic geek knowledge come on |
| 07:03.20 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, um, no now you're misquoting |
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| 07:03.21 | Phated | mwilson: I didn't think so... KDE is GTK stuff, right? |
| 07:03.28 | Poncha | nailbiter, thats why i'd vote for a single format being able to be rendered on *any* kind of device, be it a screen, printer or voice /whatever |
| 07:03.32 | stew | scarynetworkguy: yeah, i was willing to take a loss :) |
| 07:03.36 | za | Phated, heh :) |
| 07:03.36 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: cute very cute |
| 07:03.37 | nailbiter | Poncha: but that's not to say graphical toolkits are always hostile to sight-impaired users. GNOME's accessibility toolkit, for example, is doing quite well .. |
| 07:03.39 | scarynetworkguy | stew: :D |
| 07:03.39 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, i asked if it was possible because i though dpkg -l was saying that qt2 was installed |
| 07:03.48 | Phated | Poncha: We call that plaintext. |
| 07:04.00 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: It was, as you were told repeatedly. |
| 07:04.08 | scarynetworkguy | stew: in that case I underestimated you |
| 07:04.08 | za | Poncha, Plain Old Text does a good job for that |
| 07:04.31 | Poncha | Phated, not really. plaintext is unable to be processed by machine. therefore is not ver suitable for decent representation (either for disabled people or not) |
| 07:04.38 | Phated | Poncha: Ah. |
| 07:04.39 | Poncha | s/ver/very/ |
| 07:04.40 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: remember when the trolls at least tried |
| 07:04.48 | za | ugh |
| 07:05.00 | scarynetworkguy | Poncha: what "machine" can't process plain text? |
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| 07:05.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I think he might be referring to human languages... Not plaintext per se, perhaps? |
| 07:05.41 | SerajewelKS | scarynetworkguy, define troll |
| 07:05.49 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Got a mirror? |
| 07:05.57 | Poncha | scarynetworkguy, none. no machine can do proper formatting of plaintext (on level higher than just paragraphs). |
| 07:06.00 | stew | !troll |
| 07:06.00 | dpkg | [troll] a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
| 07:06.01 | SerajewelKS | Phated, that's not a definition |
| 07:06.15 | SerajewelKS | okay.. do you think maybe i am clueless? |
| 07:06.16 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Example trumps definition in the poker game of IRC. |
| 07:06.27 | Gonzo | omg |
| 07:06.34 | Gonzo | installed kernel from image |
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| 07:06.37 | Gonzo | kernel panic |
| 07:06.44 | SerajewelKS | therefore i am not a troll, because i am not faking it |
| 07:06.45 | pipeline | couldn't mount root |
| 07:06.49 | Poncha | scarynetworkguy, lets say, you need to give the person an option to choose (a little interaction you know). how do you define that in a plaintext format? |
| 07:06.50 | scarynetworkguy | SerajewelKS: yes yes you are |
| 07:06.52 | stew | omg, did you pay attention to the initrd part |
| 07:06.58 | stew | Gonzo: ^^ |
| 07:07.05 | nailbiter | Poncha: it's not necessary to resort to flat text for accessibility. GNOME's ATK, for example, turns text and buttons in the widget tree into items accessible by text-to-speech engines, and the buttons into targets for eye-trackers .. |
| 07:07.14 | Phated | Gonzo: Did you edit your lilo.conf to include the new initrd? |
| 07:07.21 | SerajewelKS | i really did not know if it was possible to use qt2 with kde |
| 07:07.23 | Gonzo | VFS: cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1) |
| 07:07.34 | scarynetworkguy | Gonzo: welcome to initrd hell |
| 07:07.37 | Gonzo | please append a correct "root" boot option |
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| 07:07.41 | Gonzo | hehe |
| 07:07.43 | Gonzo | aarg |
| 07:07.45 | Gonzo | :) |
| 07:07.48 | Poncha | nailbiter, lets guess what format gnome's using for data storage? :) |
| 07:07.49 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Yet you went right on insisting you didn't have QT3 installed. |
| 07:08.06 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, remember the clueless part? qt3 was flagged as not installed. |
| 07:08.26 | Gonzo | kernel panic: VFS:unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,1) |
| 07:08.28 | rich_ | Theres a lot of different kinds of trolls but I think the one thing they all have in common is they say something they dont believe for the purpose of getting other people to react to it. Oh and they also demand a fee from everyone who tries to pass over the bridge they lurk under. But essentially the first part, building said bridge is what really defines them |
| 07:08.29 | Poncha | nailbiter, even the menus are xml afaik (also, kde and gnome share menu file format) |
| 07:08.31 | mwilson | SerajewelKS: Except that is wasn't, of course. |
| 07:08.32 | stew | Gonzo: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 07:08.33 | nailbiter | Poncha: for the glade widgets? XML, of course. :) but the XML isn't everything -- there's a lot of information in the _code_ itself. the glade markup is useless without that .. |
| 07:08.41 | Gonzo | lilo |
| 07:08.43 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, how was i to know the package was called libqt3c102-mt? |
| 07:08.53 | SerajewelKS | mwilson, libqt3 IS flagged 'r' |
| 07:08.59 | QuaD- | whats a good program to monitor bandwith? |
| 07:09.03 | SerajewelKS | you did not say to look for libqt3c102-mt |
| 07:09.05 | QuaD- | preferably some sort of applet like thing? |
| 07:09.06 | Poncha | nailbiter, then glade markup is badly designed i'd say :) |
| 07:09.07 | Gonzo | hehe |
| 07:09.12 | stew | Gonzo: you need to boot some other kernel, fix your lilo.conf to point to /initrd.img, then run lilo again |
| 07:09.15 | Gonzo | it even screwed my old kernel |
| 07:09.15 | SerajewelKS | therefore, being clueless as i am, i did not think to look there |
| 07:09.29 | Poncha | nailbiter, because it *is* possible to describe virtually anything with xml |
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| 07:09.40 | stew | Gonzo: boot from your bootdisk then, (you do have a bootdisk, right?) |
| 07:09.49 | Gonzo | this is whatr i get when i try to boot my old kernel |
| 07:10.18 | nailbiter | Poncha: it's very difficult to _code_ in XML. :) even with something like, say, XForms, you still have to provide a back-end to the forms-based front-end that actually does the work of the application. |
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| 07:10.43 | rich_ | Oh, and they eat billy goats |
| 07:10.44 | Gonzo | all this miserie just to get x working with geforce4 |
| 07:10.57 | nailbiter | Poncha: Microsoft's XAML does about the same thing -- you define all the widgets and presentation in XML, then embed bits of C# (or VB, or whatever) in little chunks inside the XAML markup |
| 07:10.57 | scarynetworkguy | Poncha: yes but even if you can that does not mean that you should |
| 07:11.04 | stew | Gonzo: its not misery, its education! |
| 07:11.20 | Gonzo | hehe |
| 07:11.53 | pipeline | lilo is misery, install grub |
| 07:12.03 | pipeline | if you screw up grub, you can still boot *something* without breaking out the rescue discs |
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| 07:12.29 | Gonzo | ye 1 thing i learned is that it keeps surprising everytime u want to change something |
| 07:12.34 | SerajewelKS | speaking of lilo/grub, can i do a logical swap of hda<->hdb in lilo? you can in grub, and it's required to boot XP the way i have it set up. |
| 07:12.37 | peterS | pipeline: grub is misery if you're writing a menu.lst from scratch. a lilo.conf from scratch is much easier, IME |
| 07:12.42 | peterS | pipeline: other than *that*, you are correct |
| 07:13.17 | Gonzo | booting the rescue now |
| 07:13.33 | pipeline | peterS: I always write menu.lst from scratch. I find lilo cryptic and pointlessly weird. Also, the lack of an interactive mode is unforgivable |
| 07:13.48 | Phated | Lilo? It's simple. |
| 07:14.12 | stew | peterS: when are you writing menu.lst from scratch when there is always /usr/share/doc/lilo/examples |
| 07:14.27 | scarynetworkguy | *pop* |
| 07:14.32 | Gonzo | hda1 = ext2 |
| 07:14.33 | scarynetworkguy | that was my head |
| 07:14.34 | stew | err s/lilo/grub/ |
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| 07:14.38 | Gonzo | thats my boot disk |
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| 07:14.51 | twirl | shall I update my kernel to 2.6 or 2.4 ? |
| 07:14.54 | Gonzo | this is what should be in lilo right : ? |
| 07:15.08 | Gonzo | image=/initrd.img |
| 07:15.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: HEh. |
| 07:15.20 | rich_ | twirl do you want to? |
| 07:15.20 | Gonzo | and initrd=/initrd.img |
| 07:15.32 | stew | twirl: if you have to ask i'd recommend 2.4 until you find somehting in 2.6 that you "need" |
| 07:15.35 | Gonzo | (+label and ro) |
| 07:15.39 | Gonzo | ?? |
| 07:15.42 | Gonzo | is that correct |
| 07:15.42 | peterS | stew: I've written lilo.conf files from scratch in any number of situations where /usr/share/doc/ is too much trouble - like when I don't have "less" available |
| 07:15.42 | nailbiter | Gonzo: actually, 'image=/vmlinuz', followed by 'initrd=/initrd.img'. |
| 07:15.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 07:15.56 | Gonzo | hmz |
| 07:16.01 | peterS | stew: also, why use /usr/share/doc/ when you can just type the 6 or 7 lines by hand and that's that? |
| 07:16.20 | stew | peterS: bah, less? just use ed :) |
| 07:16.20 | twirl | rich_: hmm I installed debian from the cd, I now have 2.2 , I just want to update it, I went to kernel.org and saw these 2 versions, not sure which one to choose |
| 07:16.39 | Gonzo | k changed it gonna give it a try |
| 07:16.46 | peterS | stew: I'm talking about from a rescue / install floppy, type of thing. it's not like 'view' is available at that point either |
| 07:16.49 | nailbiter | Gonzo: don't forget to re-run 'lilo'. |
| 07:16.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 07:16.57 | coywolf | i want to watch TV in linux, is a video card what i need? |
| 07:16.59 | sciboy | Hmmmm... |
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| 07:17.07 | Gonzo | nope |
| 07:17.09 | Gonzo | : |
| 07:17.20 | SerajewelKS | coywolf, you need a TV card |
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| 07:17.42 | stew | peterS: his original point being that if you had grub in the mbr, you can just type the couple of lines into grub and not need the rescue disk in the first place |
| 07:17.51 | peterS | stew: this is true |
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| 07:17.56 | trailertrash | Gonzo, lilo |
| 07:18.01 | coywolf | SerajewelKS: how much and what type? |
| 07:18.09 | stew | peterS: you just happen to know lilo better (as do I) |
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| 07:18.16 | SerajewelKS | coywolf, i don't know, i never was into that kind of thing |
| 07:18.19 | peterS | stew: you might note, if you scroll up a bit further, that I said "aside from writing a menu.lst from scratch, you are correct" - in his assertion, I meant, that lilo was painful and grub was not |
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| 07:18.34 | stew | peterS: so we're all in agreement there :) |
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| 07:18.41 | rich_ | twirl Hmm. your dist id quite old. Its probably time to upgrade to the latest stable debian and use one of the kernels it supports |
| 07:18.57 | twirl | stew: but don't you think there are better algorithms in 2.6 for scheduling for example... |
| 07:19.16 | twirl | rich_: ah ic |
| 07:20.07 | stew | twirl: yes but its currently buggier, and depending on what you are going to do with the box the scheduling difference might be minimal |
| 07:20.12 | rich_ | twirl And this is a good time to do it. There will be a new release probably this year or next year, and after that happens the upgrade will be even more difficult |
| 07:20.29 | za | !sarge poll |
| 07:20.38 | za | !woody poll |
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| 07:20.43 | stew | twirl: wait, what version of debian are you using? |
| 07:20.52 | stew | twirl: if its woody than def. stick with 2.4 |
| 07:20.53 | twirl | aha |
| 07:20.56 | za | apt, woody poll |
| 07:20.58 | twirl | stew: 2.2 :) |
| 07:21.04 | za | apt, hello |
| 07:21.05 | apt | Howdy Bub |
| 07:21.06 | twirl | aah yeah woody |
| 07:21.10 | stew | oh, like debian 2.2? like hamm? or something? |
| 07:21.16 | twirl | stew: yeah |
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| 07:21.29 | stew | twirl: you are gonna wann upgrade that |
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| 07:21.57 | stew | !hamm->potato |
| 07:21.57 | twirl | stew: yeah I want to upgrade the kernel, is there anything I shall upgrade ? |
| 07:22.05 | rich_ | I didnt even know 2.2 was in woody but I know 2.6 is in sarge, which is the one that will be released next |
| 07:22.08 | Flimzy | twirl: Upgrade your entire OS, for goodness sake! |
| 07:22.18 | coywolf | SerajewelKS: video card == tv card ? |
| 07:22.19 | coywolf | video card >= tv card |
| 07:22.21 | stew | twirl: seeing as 2.6 doens't even run under woody or potato there is no way its running under hamm |
| 07:22.23 | twirl | stew: I just installed it from the cd |
| 07:22.24 | Gonzo | THX nailbiter |
| 07:22.31 | Gonzo | works :D |
| 07:22.32 | Flimzy | rich_: kernel 2.2 is the woody default, altho it also ships with 2.4 |
| 07:22.40 | twirl | stew: what shall I download ? |
| 07:22.40 | nailbiter | Gonzo: cool. :) |
| 07:22.50 | rich_ | Flimzy I see. Thanks |
| 07:22.50 | Flimzy | stew: I think Debian 2.2 == potato, no? |
| 07:22.55 | stew | maybe |
| 07:23.03 | stew | !potato |
| 07:23.03 | dpkg | i guess potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 07:23.05 | stew | yeah |
| 07:23.15 | SerajewelKS | coywolf, a video card is what your monitor plugs into |
| 07:23.33 | sciboy | Jackd is not liking me =/ |
| 07:23.37 | SerajewelKS | a tv card picks up the radio signals and converts it to RGB data |
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| 07:23.44 | Gonzo | for some reason its smp tough |
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| 07:23.53 | Gonzo | but it works :D |
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| 07:24.07 | ktrout | technica.com |
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| 07:24.26 | stew | twirl: if you sources.list is pointing to "stable" sources you can probably just apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrde ; to get to woody, or replace "stable" with "sarge" and update ; dist-upgrade to sarge |
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| 07:24.52 | stew | twirl: what, have you had this machine locked in a dungeon for 4 years with no updates? |
| 07:25.04 | Gonzo | sarge = unstable? |
| 07:25.12 | stew | !sarge |
| 07:25.12 | dpkg | Fall in! Ten-HUT! Sarge is the new 'testing' version of Debian, which will become stable soon. You can help test it: ask me about "d-i" or see the #debian-boot topic. ask me about <sarge stable> |
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| 07:25.16 | Ra1stlin- | good morning |
| 07:25.27 | twirl | stew: I just installed debian, I'm a regular windows user, and I decided to shift to linux :) |
| 07:25.33 | slashme | Hi, guys! As of yesterday I'm in text mode. xdm starts up, but if I login successfully, X dies, and xdm restarts. Startx also dies, without clear errors. |
| 07:25.54 | nailbiter | Gonzo: woody = debian 3.0 = stable branch; sarge = debian 3.1 release candidate = testing branch; sid = debian-CURRENT = unstable branch |
| 07:25.55 | slashme | X was working fine until I did some upgrades. |
| 07:26.11 | twirl | stew:deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free thats what I have in the sources.list |
| 07:26.14 | slashme | I have checked /var/log/XF...log, but no obvious errors. |
| 07:26.22 | stew | twirl: if you installed debian potato from scrach as your first linux, then congrats your (sort of) a genius compared to most recent windows converts |
| 07:26.31 | Gonzo | aah |
| 07:26.32 | slashme | Any thoughts on how to troubleshoot? |
| 07:26.32 | stew | twirl: you should have probably started with the new sarge installer |
| 07:26.32 | SerajewelKS | slashme, try reinstalling x-window-system-core (i think that's what it's called) |
| 07:26.44 | Gonzo | cool changed stable to unstable in sources list |
| 07:26.46 | slashme | OK, I'll give that a shot. |
| 07:26.58 | stew | twirl: apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade and you shoud be on 3.0 |
| 07:26.59 | twirl | stew: aha |
| 07:27.07 | nailbiter | Gonzo: i really suggest you don't do that unless you know how to work around problems with broken packages |
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| 07:27.17 | Gonzo | and as experienced users how 'stable' is sarge? |
| 07:27.23 | rich_ | twirl Then woody is probably best but when sarge becomes stable Youll have to switch to a 2.4 kernel as far as I know, so things will go a lot easier if you install at least the 2.4 kernel now |
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| 07:27.28 | stew | twirl: if you replace stable with sarge, then apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade you will be on 3.1 |
| 07:27.37 | slashme | quit |
| 07:27.42 | rich_ | so its not so far of a jump |
| 07:27.54 | stew | Gonzo: its been very 100% stable for me on several servers |
| 07:28.04 | twirl | ic .... |
| 07:28.04 | nailbiter | Gonzo: use the 'testing' branch instead of 'unstable' if you want to try sarge out. |
| 07:28.04 | sussudio | Gonzo: why do stupid people like you always have to be told the meaning of 'stable', 'testing' and 'unstable'? |
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| 07:28.26 | trailertrash | Gonzo, well, its the frozen candidate for stable at the moment, i always stick with testing |
| 07:28.41 | Gonzo | aah |
| 07:28.45 | Gonzo | well sussudio |
| 07:28.55 | SerajewelKS | i think gcc 3.3.4 is buggy, can i downgrade to 3.3.1 with apt-get? |
| 07:28.56 | Gonzo | its sarge and sid i did not know the meaning of |
| 07:29.11 | stew | the only not obvious thing to know about testing is that it doesn't get timely security updates |
| 07:29.12 | Gonzo | but thx for your flattering comment |
| 07:29.18 | sussudio | Gonzo: it's not like it's explained on the Debian website at all. |
| 07:29.21 | tchino | how can upgrade on the kernel 2.6 |
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| 07:30.07 | trisco | !greetings |
| 07:30.07 | dpkg | hello, trisco |
| 07:30.07 | trailertrash | Gonzo, you can get alsa-kernel-2.4.26xxx stuff also for excellent sound drivers. |
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| 07:30.09 | twirl | stew: as I can understand, that sarge is not yet stable.. shall I stay on woody right now, and compile a 2.4 kernel ? |
| 07:30.12 | sussudio | Gonzo: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 07:30.26 | rich_ | I heard that sid has been designated permanently unstable. So I guess that means the testing and stable versions change, but sid will always be Still In Development |
| 07:31.03 | Gonzo | this is what i knew => it takes ages for 'newer' packages to become stable |
| 07:31.04 | twirl | aah ok |
| 07:31.07 | stew | twirl: sarge is within weeks of becoming stable, its not a bad choice, but woody is certainly a safe bet. as long as you don't need any software that's too new (which seems doubtfull considering its current state) |
| 07:31.09 | Phated | Sid does not stand for Still In Development. |
| 07:31.13 | sussudio | rich_: no. sid just means sid, the unstable kid from toy story. |
| 07:31.16 | Gonzo | and therefor maybe better to use unstable |
| 07:31.25 | Gonzo | or now as nailbiter said sarge |
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| 07:31.38 | Klowner | anyone use freenet6? did they change or am I going nuts |
| 07:31.39 | pipeline | Unstable is a bad idea, flat out. |
| 07:31.45 | twirl | stew: orright... then I will download 2.4 kernel. |
| 07:31.45 | rich_ | sussudio So your saying it will someday become testing, then someday sid will be stable? |
| 07:31.47 | Phated | I use unstable. |
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| 07:31.49 | pipeline | Mark our words, Gonzo. |
| 07:31.51 | sussudio | Gonzo: read the fucking website. it doesn't take ages for newer packages to become stable. STABLE DOESN'T CHANGE. |
| 07:31.56 | limepi | this is a stupid question, but it has me stumped |
| 07:31.56 | trisco | Gonzo: try sarge, once you get everything working, maybe move to sid |
| 07:32.03 | garrett | pipeline, ?? |
| 07:32.12 | sussudio | trisco: don't give out bad advice. |
| 07:32.15 | limepi | I just installed debian, but used the wrong X11 configuration |
| 07:32.18 | stew | twirl: after you update ; dist-upgrade, you can apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 ; pick one and apt-get isntall kernel-image.... |
| 07:32.34 | limepi | now I'm stuck at 800 x 600 with a nice two inches of black border... |
| 07:32.35 | scarynetworkguy | !dict stable |
| 07:32.37 | dpkg | Dictionary 'stable' (1 shown; 19 total): Stable equibrium (Mech.), the kind of equilibrium of a body so placed that if disturbed it returns to its former position, as in the case when the center of gravity is below the point or axis of support; -- opposed to unstable equilibrium, in which the body if disturbed does not tend to return to its former position, but to move farther away from it, as in the case of a body supported at a point below the center of gravity. Cf |
| 07:32.37 | dpkg | rium, under Neutral.. |
| 07:32.38 | stew | limepi: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 07:32.49 | sussudio | rium? |
| 07:32.51 | trisco | sussudio: I dont know if that was bad advice, but thats how I did it, and I am comfortable |
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| 07:33.00 | trailertrash | limepi dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:33.04 | garrett | i've never had a problem with unstable that wasn't user error |
| 07:33.06 | scarynetworkguy | yuppers that word still means what it has always meant |
| 07:33.07 | Phated | trailertrash: You have a clue. Some don't. |
| 07:33.08 | limepi | do I need to run it under anything special? |
| 07:33.16 | sussudio | trisco: yes, that was bad advice and if you keep on giving it you might end up with a +q... |
| 07:33.20 | tchino | how can upgrade on the kernel 2.6 |
| 07:33.26 | stew | limepi: root or sudo |
| 07:33.27 | garrett | bts/apt-listbugs = solution to problems |
| 07:33.38 | sussudio | !tell tchino about repeating |
| 07:33.41 | Gonzo | does sarge includes nvidea drivers for mx440? |
| 07:33.45 | Gonzo | http://www.linuxcompatible.org/thread374-1.html |
| 07:33.53 | trisco | sussudio: righto |
| 07:33.58 | Gonzo | thats what i found but the address does not work anymore |
| 07:34.17 | limepi | trailertrash, that's exactly what I was looking for. thanks! |
| 07:34.19 | scarynetworkguy | Gonzo: not but yuou can get drivers for Nvidia cards |
| 07:34.33 | sussudio | sunday must have started early. |
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| 07:34.41 | Phated | sussudio: It doesn't seem to have ended. |
| 07:34.57 | twirl | stew: 2.4.27 is the latest 2.4 kernel, but as I read about the odd numbers, that they are not stable, isnt that true ? |
| 07:35.07 | sussudio | :-| |
| 07:35.16 | fredl | hello people. Any idea why 'dnsdomainname' would give me the 'right' domainname but getdomainname() returns (none) ? |
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| 07:35.22 | stew | twirl: the middle number is the one that has to be even, the 4 is even so you are ok |
| 07:35.22 | sussudio | twirl: odd _major_ numbers. |
| 07:35.28 | Gonzo | scarynetworkguy can't get them with lynx i can't go trough the selection menu with linx :s (on nvidea sites) |
| 07:35.42 | twirl | ah ok thanks |
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| 07:35.51 | SerajewelKS | sussudio, wouldn't that be the minor number? |
| 07:36.00 | tcsetattr | no, it's odd minor numbers. MAJORVERSION=2 MINORVERSION=4 PATCHLEVEL=27 |
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| 07:36.17 | Phated | Gonzo: Er, elinks, then? |
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| 07:36.51 | trailertrash | Gonzo: i got mine through lynx - but you also can get them with apt-get install nvidia-modules-2.4.26-1-x86 |
| 07:36.53 | fredl | is there a C library call which returns the same result as dnsdomainname? |
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| 07:37.04 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Gonzo about faq |
| 07:37.16 | helloyo | are there any desktops on the first cd of sarge? |
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| 07:37.21 | limepi | now... um... how do I check to see if it worked? |
| 07:37.22 | scarynetworkguy | Gonzo: under the audio/video part of the faq there is a how to that should get you going |
| 07:37.41 | streuner | helloyo: just install anything from i-net |
| 07:38.02 | Gonzo | thx gonna check that out |
| 07:38.04 | rich_ | helloyo Its best to install on a computer that has access to the internet, that way you can have access to all the debian packages. |
| 07:38.08 | streuner | helloyo: no idea, but i guess NOT |
| 07:38.39 | streuner | helloyo: see what rich_ just told you |
| 07:38.39 | sap | anyone know how to stop less from beeping? |
| 07:38.41 | fredl | hmmm, no C programmers here? |
| 07:38.43 | streuner | helloyo: the tric in debian is to install everything via i-net |
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| 07:38.50 | stew | fredl: #c |
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| 07:38.54 | njs | where is that server that has archives of old package versions, for downgrades? |
| 07:38.55 | fredl | tnx stew |
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| 07:39.00 | limepi | debian was by far the most pain-free distro I've dealt with |
| 07:39.08 | limepi | (except for os x. ha!) |
| 07:39.19 | streuner | limepi: exept X |
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| 07:39.31 | streuner | limepi: could be sometimes a bitch |
| 07:39.52 | limepi | yeah. um... how do I now collect the fruits of my labors? do I need to restart my session? |
| 07:40.01 | helloyo | ok, i'll use the internet install, i just don't like that way because i never get an install right first time, then i have to download everything again... |
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| 07:40.03 | rich_ | limepi Its certainly the most painless unix like operateing system. And yet it ends up being even easier than the pc wannabe shells |
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| 07:40.22 | trisco | limepi: X was what used to be difficult with other distros, but with debian even that just works |
| 07:40.27 | rich_ | Thats evolution |
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| 07:40.48 | limepi | yeah... I had trouble with slackware and mandrake and even knoppix |
| 07:40.54 | limepi | it's a crap-ass radeon U1 |
| 07:41.09 | trisco | limepi: radeon here as well |
| 07:41.10 | Klowner | nobody uses freenet6? :/ |
| 07:41.11 | njs | oops, nemmind, I still have it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:41.15 | KrOnOs | what would be the best MB for a Athlon 64 ? |
| 07:41.16 | streuner | laptop limepi? |
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| 07:41.23 | limepi | yeah, it's a friend's... I swear |
| 07:41.36 | peterS | Klowner: I once tried it, couldn't get it to authenticate, and didn't ever get around to debugging it |
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| 07:41.50 | trailertrash | radeons always were a problem, but i heard they have new drivers for linux at ati.com |
| 07:41.56 | trisco | limepi: if you aiming for 3D forget it for now, but the rest is pretty straight forward |
| 07:42.03 | streuner | KrOnOs: use usenet (groups.google.com) to find out |
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| 07:42.17 | limepi | um, so I just reconfigured the X files... how do I get to change my resolution? do I need to restart the session? |
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| 07:42.55 | streuner | limepi: latest GNOME has a tool to switch, but generally you have to start X new |
| 07:42.55 | limepi | trisco, the only problem is that I need more hand-holding than a retard getting a booster shot |
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| 07:43.20 | pipeline | If you log out and log back in, it will restart the X server. |
| 07:43.23 | limepi | well, then... here goes. |
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| 07:43.43 | scarynetworkguy | KrOnOs: one that supports it? |
| 07:43.45 | limepi | yeah, I figured... but I also maybe thought you guys would have some sort of ez command to pull off |
| 07:44.05 | trailertrash | limepi, i think it's control-enter, or alt |
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| 07:44.19 | trailertrash | or both ctrlalt |
| 07:44.33 | streuner | Who the hell told him to reboot the box, he should log out and back it ;-) |
| 07:44.46 | streuner | s/it/in/ |
| 07:44.56 | Phated | streuner: They did say log out and back... |
| 07:45.15 | trisco | Phated: no one said reboot |
| 07:45.24 | streuner | Phated: what difference did you see to my and their statements? :-) |
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| 07:45.28 | limepi | eh? my prefs still are limited to 800 x 600, and 640 x 480 (which messes up) |
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| 07:45.54 | Phated | trisco: Yes, but he obviously misinterpreted, that was my point. |
| 07:45.54 | limepi | Khert2, south county representing. |
| 07:45.57 | Phated | streuner: None. :) |
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| 07:46.15 | streuner | Phated: thanks for the conversation ;-) |
| 07:46.17 | rich_ | Oh well, somepeople dont really need help, they just need to let you know what they were going to do anyway :) |
| 07:46.21 | zeo33x | whats the best mp3 encoder out there? |
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| 07:46.24 | trisco | Phated: how is OT kicking? |
| 07:46.24 | tomb0y | phated: no he didnt.. cuz to restart x. would restart any gui irc client he was using ;) |
| 07:46.26 | Phated | streuner: Heh. *thwap* |
| 07:46.33 | Phated | trisco: Oh, semi-dead. |
| 07:46.36 | limepi | FLAC |
| 07:46.38 | trailertrash | limepi, are you using ati and radeonfb modules? |
| 07:46.41 | Phated | tomb0y: Ahhh, true... |
| 07:46.45 | limepi | no, I'm using vesa |
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| 07:46.52 | scarynetworkguy | tomb0y: not if he was using screen like all good people do |
| 07:46.52 | Phated | limepi: I suggest you install irssi-text. ;) |
| 07:46.56 | trisco | Phated: Oh dear ;) |
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| 07:47.17 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Dude...15:42 < limepi> | trisco, the only problem is that I need more hand-holding than a retard getting a booster shot <- this look like a screen-user to you? |
| 07:47.22 | Phated | trisco: Indeed. |
| 07:47.37 | Phated | limepi: IT helps you stay connected while you restart X and stuff. |
| 07:47.41 | trailertrash | limepi, you might try modconf radeon modules, it usually doesn't do them by default |
| 07:47.49 | streuner | limepi: as i asked you before, is that a laptop? |
| 07:47.51 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no no it does not. :D |
| 07:47.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactement. |
| 07:47.58 | trisco | or get screen, and -d and -r to console |
| 07:48.04 | rich_ | limepi I like xchat too. It got really complicated and then when they made xchat 2 they simplified the interface. I like it much better now |
| 07:48.07 | Phated | trisco: or -dr. |
| 07:48.27 | trisco | Phated: was trying to be as clear as possible |
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| 07:48.38 | Phated | trisco: Heh. All right, I won't fault you for that. :) |
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| 07:49.01 | limepi | I'm pretty much a mac user with enough distaste for microsoft to not use it, but not really technically adept (or prone to caring) for real *nix stuff |
| 07:49.12 | Phated | limepi: SO why not use Mac? :) |
| 07:49.15 | streuner | rich_: i like the good old X-Chat GUI (gtk1.x) |
| 07:49.33 | limepi | mom took 'em back to her office... I ganked my friend's laptop, which he never uses |
| 07:49.38 | POVaddct | streuner: i also liked the gtk1-based xchat better |
| 07:49.47 | limepi | the best computer is free computer |
| 07:49.51 | Phated | az[a]zel: *Oooooooooooooooooooo*... |
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| 07:50.01 | Phated | limepi: The best brain is functioning and open one. |
| 07:50.03 | POVaddct | streuner: but i switched to irssi-text anyway :) |
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| 07:50.19 | sussudio | !macsmite az[a]zel |
| 07:50.33 | simonrvn | azreal: the ibook? |
| 07:50.46 | az[a]zel | hah that's so old.. mac's support multiple buttons.. *sigh* |
| 07:50.47 | Phated | az[a]zel: What kind of mac? |
| 07:50.49 | az[a]zel | simonrvn, yeah |
| 07:50.53 | simonrvn | cool |
| 07:50.55 | Phated | Oooooo. |
| 07:50.58 | az[a]zel | ibook G4 1GHz 512MB RAM 40GB HDD' |
| 07:51.00 | limepi | functioning, yes. Open? sure. So open that yer CSF leaks out? no! |
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| 07:51.23 | Phated | limepi: Er... You mind not smart-assing? You're supposed ot be learning here. |
| 07:51.26 | simonrvn | az[a]zel: nice setup. i keep telling him about 3 button mice on macs, but doesn't believe me |
| 07:51.27 | Phated | ;) |
| 07:51.37 | Phated | az[a]zel: Damn, that's sweet. |
| 07:51.41 | limepi | I'm learning that X is a pain in the ass |
| 07:51.42 | simonrvn | limepi: eew |
| 07:51.54 | limepi | but I've learned that numerous times with this same box |
| 07:51.57 | simonrvn | i like my csf in my head, thanks |
| 07:52.00 | Phated | Gentlemen, the newb is yours'. |
| 07:52.04 | Phated | -' |
| 07:52.15 | deadcat | limepi: you are doing it wrong. (= |
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| 07:52.20 | limepi | I'VE NEVER HAD THIS MUCH TROUBLE DOING SOMETHING DUMB, I SWEAR. |
| 07:52.22 | Phated | deadcat: Hello. :D |
| 07:52.27 | az[a]zel | I pledge allegience to the Mac, for we shalt look down upon thy PC users and shake our heads, our boxen is the 0wnz0r, for liberty and freedom, under Jobs |
| 07:52.31 | deadcat | Phated: yoyoyo. (= |
| 07:52.33 | Phated | limepi: You've never looked to dumb, I swaer. |
| 07:52.38 | simonrvn | az[a]zel: eew |
| 07:52.42 | az[a]zel | hehe |
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| 07:52.50 | deadcat | giggily hehe |
| 07:52.52 | Phated | az[a]zel: Under Jobs, or down on Jobs... :D |
| 07:52.58 | az[a]zel | Phated, eww |
| 07:52.59 | rich_ | Only thing I dont like about xchat is its not black enough. Black is my background color and the color that is transparent when Im useing transparancy so I want everything black except the text. With xchat theres one color that Id have to edit /etc/X11/app-defaults to change. So is there any graphical irc clients that makes it easy to edit every single color without makeing it too complicated? |
| 07:53.01 | simonrvn | oooo, haha |
| 07:53.02 | Phated | az[a]zel: :D |
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| 07:53.44 | Phated | Yay for the Wozman. |
| 07:53.52 | simonrvn | wozniak you mean? |
| 07:53.59 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: yes |
| 07:54.03 | Phated | But of course. |
| 07:54.05 | simonrvn | (dunno who dat is either) |
| 07:54.11 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:54.19 | simonrvn | i just know the name =) |
| 07:54.27 | Phated | simonrvn: More than most know. :D |
| 07:54.32 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: you are shitting me right? |
| 07:54.33 | peterS | simonrvn: you don't know who steve wozniak is? |
| 07:54.39 | peterS | simonrvn: wow. and you call yourself an Apple user |
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| 07:54.54 | simonrvn | it does ring a bell, but i've had a lapse in my memory lately w.r.t names |
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| 07:55.06 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: not even Apple. this is just basic geek knowledge |
| 07:55.22 | kenboo | one of the founder |
| 07:55.24 | trailertrash | i heard that apples are prone to worms |
| 07:55.26 | simonrvn | i can barely remember mine. :) |
| 07:55.27 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: well, but simonrvn owns like a zillion macs |
| 07:55.31 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: so you'd think, you know? |
| 07:55.38 | simonrvn | kenboo: oh yes, *ding*, that's right. the cool one |
| 07:55.54 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: yes yes you would :D |
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| 07:56.07 | kenboo | once kicked out and returned |
| 07:56.11 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:56.23 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: I guess Steve Jobs is the new mac deity. wozniak is too sane and technically competent to really be adored by the macheads |
| 07:56.32 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 07:56.56 | krilla | Can the linux kernel/netfilter transfer ip_conntrak info between nodes in a master/slave configuration for firewall failover, similar to openbsd and pfsync/carp ? does anyone know... |
| 07:56.57 | rich_ | I heard there was a guy named jobs who worked on next and had the foresight to see that it could never catch up to unix because modern operateing systems are not built, they evolve. |
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| 07:57.23 | simonrvn | ..and merged it into mac os x... |
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| 07:57.37 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: and of course Wozniak is much beloved by a lot of non mac heads so your theory makes perfect sense |
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| 07:57.39 | Tweak | hi debian people |
| 07:57.41 | rich_ | He was one of the first to see that |
| 07:57.46 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: 'xactly |
| 07:58.06 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: that was a very clumsy troll. Try harder next time please |
| 07:58.09 | simonrvn | krilla: dump your iptables' output to a file, scp over, done. or that's not what you had in mind? |
| 07:58.41 | krilla | simonrnv, sure thats viable but if the firewall dies at 3am i would have to wake up and do it |
| 07:58.50 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: coolness |
| 07:58.54 | Tweak | I am about to install debian on my new machine. the net install, think its sarge. I remember about ... hmm.. 100 days ago, when I installed the build-essentials or something, (I might b off by a little bit) but if I chose the stock keyboard layout, or something wrong language, it would crap out on me. Anybody know if that still exists in the netinstall today? |
| 07:58.57 | simonrvn | krilla: so script it |
| 07:59.00 | pingouiin | what ?clumsy? means ? |
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| 07:59.12 | scarynetworkguy | krilla: what are you doing asleep at 3 am? |
| 07:59.12 | simonrvn | @+dict clumsy |
| 07:59.12 | rich_ | scarynetworkguy Thats absolutely true. Jobs said regarding next that it was such a huge task that it would be the last serious try because modern operateing systems require far too much recources and programing hours to build from scratch |
| 07:59.18 | krilla | sure its possible, but during failover a few connections could be lost |
| 07:59.18 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'clumsy' (2 shown; 7 total): 2. Without skill or grace; wanting dexterity, nimbleness, or readiness; stiff; awkward, as if benumbed; unwieldy; unhandy; hence; ill-made, misshapen, or inappropriate; as, a clumsy person; a clumsy workman; clumsy fingers; a clumsy gesture; a clumsy excuse. ;; But thou in clumsy verse, unlicked, unpointed, Hast shamefully defied the |
| 07:59.18 | ravenbird | Lord's anointed. --Dryden.. |
| 07:59.22 | Crasp | Tweak: afaik it never was in the netinstall :) |
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| 07:59.40 | Crasp | Tweak: and 100 days is a long period, you should try it again |
| 07:59.41 | Tweak | Crasp, afaik was the problem? Do you know what problem im taking about? |
| 07:59.50 | krilla | I could use a heartbeat daemon to detect failover, but i was just wondering if the pfsync type functions are available in iptables |
| 07:59.52 | pingouiin | good thx ;) |
| 07:59.54 | holo | anyone here managed to install vmware tools successfully? |
| 07:59.54 | krilla | from what I can tell, they aren't? |
| 07:59.55 | Tweak | Crasp yes I am, just wondering if I should watch out for it. |
| 07:59.56 | Crasp | Tweak: afaik = as far as i know :) |
| 08:00.09 | Tweak | Crasp ohhh hehe feeling stupid once again. |
| 08:00.14 | krilla | holo, I migrated several servers to vmware esx server this week |
| 08:00.15 | pingouiin | when i think that my mother said that we never learn anything loosing time on computers ;) |
| 08:00.26 | simonrvn | krilla: try www.netfilter.org and google... i haven't had to do such a thing yet. or ask in #iptables |
| 08:00.33 | Gonzo | eeh |
| 08:00.39 | krilla | ah okay |
| 08:00.39 | Tweak | Crasp ok yes, im going to try again, thanks very much. the net install linux2.6 boot is 2.6.7 kernel? |
| 08:00.42 | krilla | yeah i've looked there quite a bit |
| 08:00.43 | Crasp | Tweak: i tend to use the netinstall with xfs support |
| 08:00.50 | Gonzo | kernel image disabled my network |
| 08:00.50 | krilla | from what i can tell, its not viable |
| 08:00.52 | Tweak | Crasp what is xfs? |
| 08:00.53 | Crasp | Tweak: so i don't have to be bothered by the buggy ext2 stuff |
| 08:00.56 | Gonzo | eth0 lost |
| 08:00.57 | Crasp | Tweak: a filesystem |
| 08:01.07 | Tweak | Crasp ext2 is better I though? writes a log? |
| 08:01.08 | holo | krilla, can you /j #flood? |
| 08:01.14 | Tweak | thought |
| 08:01.16 | Crasp | Tweak: ehm no, ext2 doesn't :) |
| 08:01.25 | simonrvn | Tweak: ext2 doesn't have a journal, ext3 does |
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| 08:01.29 | Crasp | Tweak: ext3 does |
| 08:01.34 | Tweak | Crasp... OHHH yes ext3 is better, hehe |
| 08:01.39 | Crasp | Tweak: but xfs also has that |
| 08:01.40 | Tweak | Crasp is it bad to use ext3? |
| 08:01.51 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:01.55 | krilla | sorry |
| 08:01.56 | Crasp | Tweak: i don't know, i haven't touch ext* filesystems since 4 years or so :) |
| 08:01.57 | Tweak | Crasp I have it installed on my last 15 machines. |
| 08:02.10 | Crasp | Tweak: after i got 2 unrecoverable errors with ext2 |
| 08:02.15 | Tweak | crasp wow, weird, I try to stay as default as possible. |
| 08:02.22 | Tweak | Crasp I have a belly button. |
| 08:02.23 | Rama | Tweak: depends if it's a laptop. But generally, it's good |
| 08:02.39 | holo | krilla, you can't go there? i should give you the whole output installation |
| 08:02.46 | krilla | oh ok |
| 08:02.47 | Tweak | Rama naaa these are gaming servers im putting up 200 miles asay from home :0( |
| 08:02.51 | trisco | Rama: and what would you recommend for laptops? |
| 08:02.52 | krilla | i thought you implied i was flooding |
| 08:02.57 | Gonzo | hmm |
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| 08:03.10 | Tweak | Crasp thanks for all the help. |
| 08:03.14 | Crasp | Tweak: it's easy to find comparisons between ext2/ext3 and xfs |
| 08:03.21 | Crasp | Tweak: in case you are not sure on what to use |
| 08:03.25 | Rama | trisco: depends. If you want the battery to run longer, ext2, or ext but you basically diable the journaling system |
| 08:03.27 | Gonzo | ifup eth0 => ifup: interface eth0 already configured |
| 08:03.27 | Crasp | Tweak: just use google |
| 08:03.33 | Tweak | Crasp I hope I wont have any of the troubles I had with my dual xeon HP dl machine haha that was a fun week no sleep. |
| 08:03.39 | Gonzo | ifconfig => no eth0 |
| 08:03.39 | simonrvn | i wish i could figure out what's causing this bdb_equality_candidates errors... |
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| 08:03.54 | Crasp | Gonzo: and what says ifconfig eth0? |
| 08:03.54 | Gonzo | device not found |
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| 08:03.58 | Rama | Tweak: then Reiserfs of ext3 |
| 08:04.04 | krilla | Can anyone else shed some light on iptables conntrack sync in a firewall failover setup? |
| 08:04.13 | trisco | Rama: hmmm interesting, never thought battery life was a factor too |
| 08:04.16 | Gonzo | error fetching interface information:Device not found |
| 08:04.20 | Phated | Tweak: I'd personally strongly recommend ext3. |
| 08:04.22 | Tweak | Rama ? is reiserfs a word? or a linux term? |
| 08:04.32 | Tweak | Phated thats what I have used so far. |
| 08:04.34 | Crasp | reiserfs is yet another filesystem :) |
| 08:04.46 | Phated | Tweak: Well, then that's good. |
| 08:04.49 | scarynetworkguy | ext3 is rock solid |
| 08:04.51 | krilla | does reiserfs 4 benchmark better than ext3 ? |
| 08:04.54 | Rama | trisco: battery , and hard drive life expectancy... :p don't put ext3 on a Flash drive !! :p |
| 08:04.54 | Crasp | Gonzo: so, the ifup script bugs |
| 08:05.02 | Phated | krilla: In terms of? |
| 08:05.05 | Tweak | I must say to everyone I have talked to thus far, you have been the nicest people. Most the time I get someone really mean hehe and I have to leave. |
| 08:05.11 | Gonzo | hmz |
| 08:05.19 | Rama | Tweak: Reiserfs is a FS developped by some guys related to SuSE and funded by the DARPA |
| 08:05.23 | Phated | I recall some people calling us mean and tactless... |
| 08:05.32 | Crasp | and mp3.com |
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| 08:05.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: usually that is a code for "told me the truth and I don't really want to deal with it" |
| 08:05.53 | Rama | usually, when German engineers get funded by the US Army, it produces interesting results... :P |
| 08:05.54 | simonrvn | you'd think they'd do better</troll> |
| 08:06.01 | Gonzo | pff |
| 08:06.03 | Tweak | Rama wow, crasy. Ok I will look into it. I have about 2 more hours till I have to leave with this new server. |
| 08:06.03 | krilla | Phated, in terms of seektime and i/o |
| 08:06.15 | Phated | mp3.com? Do they still exist? I thought they were bought over by cnet or summat. |
| 08:06.15 | Gonzo | never had problems on old computers |
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| 08:06.22 | Phated | krilla: Then probably no. Reliability, yes. |
| 08:06.27 | limepi | worked like a charm, I say. |
| 08:06.28 | simonrvn | krilla: deadline elevator in 2.6.x is awesome for that |
| 08:06.36 | Phated | simonrvn: What's it do? |
| 08:06.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 08:06.39 | Rama | Tweak: Reiserfs is somewhat faster at bootime, but you should check the benchmark |
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| 08:06.53 | Gonzo | but ooh beware of installing debian on a newer system |
| 08:06.57 | Crasp | Phated: no idea, but last time i look at reisferfs all the tools said "Sponsored by mp3.com" or something |
| 08:06.59 | Phated | Tweak: But if woe should befall your filesystem, good luck. :) |
| 08:07.03 | scarynetworkguy | krilla: that all depends on what you are using it for. File size etc etc. You can't benchmark filesystems in a vacum and get results that mean anything |
| 08:07.04 | Phated | Crasp: No way. :) |
| 08:07.08 | krilla | i would assume since reiserfs 4 is a bit new it could be prone to buggyness, but ext3 is definately more robust and well tested |
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| 08:07.16 | simonrvn | it's different from the default as scheduler, it's meant for high-end stuff, high i/o and such. esp. good on scsi |
| 08:07.25 | Tweak | Rama my servers never have to boot but once. I installed all my machiens 100 days ago and they have all been up for 100 days. |
| 08:07.29 | scarynetworkguy | oh good that's *just* what you want in a filesystem |
| 08:07.30 | limepi | thanks all for helping my dumb ass |
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| 08:07.31 | Yuguloko | alguém que fale português? |
| 08:07.39 | simonrvn | @portuguese |
| 08:07.40 | ravenbird | rumour has it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br. por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 08:07.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Let's say I have lots of teeny files and some large stuff. Mostly under 5 megs, and a few of more than 200 megs. Ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 08:07.55 | Tweak | Rama they are nice and cool in their new level3 home. |
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| 08:08.14 | Phated | Tweak: What about kernel updates? :) |
| 08:08.23 | simonrvn | Phated: my thoguht exactly |
| 08:08.25 | az[a]zel | reiserfs4 looks pretty sweet, but it'll be at least another 12 months before I try it |
| 08:08.28 | Phated | simonrvn: :) |
| 08:08.29 | Rama | Tweak: where they belong... since you use Debian, you can seal the room with massonery now, right ? :) |
| 08:08.29 | simonrvn | thought even |
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| 08:08.34 | Crasp | reiserfs4?? |
| 08:08.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I would say Ext3 |
| 08:08.38 | Crasp | what happened to 2 and 3? |
| 08:08.41 | Phated | az[a]zel: Benefits as compared to ext3? |
| 08:08.48 | Tweak | Phated ouch true, that one um evilC scared me, but no one has consol to my machine. |
| 08:08.49 | az[a]zel | Crasp, wtf? you been living under a rock? |
| 08:08.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, I'm blue then. |
| 08:09.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes yes you are |
| 08:09.00 | Crasp | az[a]zel: no, i tend to stay away from immature filesystems :) |
| 08:09.01 | Phated | Tweak: EvilC? |
| 08:09.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 08:09.13 | simonrvn | Yuguloko: don't /msg me |
| 08:09.27 | az[a]zel | Phated, absolutely smokes it, speed wise.. and reiser 4 is fully atomic.. so theoretically, the chance of anything being corrupted on a crash is extremely small |
| 08:09.28 | alakdan | is there a good library that can render html in a terminal like lynx/links does |
| 08:09.31 | Tweak | phated yes, if I remember correctly. Let me check real quick. |
| 08:09.32 | Crasp | az[a]zel: xfs never let me down, so i don't see any use for a different filesystem :) |
| 08:09.42 | Gonzo | anyone got any idea why new kernel installed with apt-get loses my network card? |
| 08:09.43 | simonrvn | Yuguloko: no i don't understand enough portuguese sorry. go to #debian-br |
| 08:09.49 | peterS | alakdan: nothing too wrong with just piping stuff through lynx -dump or w3m |
| 08:09.54 | Rama | Did anybody actually have a problem with Reiserfs ? I've seen it running for year now, so wondering... :p |
| 08:09.55 | Crasp | az[a]zel: but i'll have a look at reiserfs4 then :) |
| 08:09.59 | Phated | az[a]zel: Interesting. I might try it out after nuking my winders partition someday. |
| 08:10.03 | peterS | !reiserfs |
| 08:10.03 | dpkg | reiserfs is probably a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3 or xfs for safer filesystems. |
| 08:10.11 | peterS | Rama: yes, plenty of us have seen problems with reiserfs |
| 08:10.21 | suzzi | hello all how is everyone tonight??? |
| 08:10.26 | krilla | rama, i've got reiser 3.6 running on a few high load ingres db servers and its performing fine |
| 08:10.27 | az[a]zel | yaeh im running ext3 after reiserfs 3 bit me, twice :) |
| 08:10.31 | scarynetworkguy | az[a]zel: WTF does "fully atomic" mean? |
| 08:10.32 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. |
| 08:10.33 | alakdan | peterS: need a library for my programming assignment. :) libwww is too complex for my needs |
| 08:10.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Dunno. :) |
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| 08:10.45 | az[a]zel | but I'm willing to give reiser 4 a go when it stabilises |
| 08:10.47 | Crasp | az[a]zel: on second thought.. i'll stick with xfs :) |
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| 08:10.55 | Phated | Fully atomic... as compared to half-assed atomic? |
| 08:11.04 | Phated | I'm all for ext3. Never failed on me. |
| 08:11.04 | krilla | Why don't you all wait for WinFS and run that :D |
| 08:11.05 | rich_ | xfs has really impressed me even though its not really designed for laptops. |
| 08:11.08 | krilla | hehe |
| 08:11.15 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes but I wonder if az[a]zel does? |
| 08:11.15 | peterS | Rama: in my case, the problems *might* be blamed on flaky hardware. but I've heard plenty of anecdotes from people whose hardware was not to blame |
| 08:11.16 | Rama | Yeah, sound dangerous to say *fully atomic* on an IRC channel... never know who's listening ! :D |
| 08:11.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 08:11.23 | Tweak | phated here is a link, it is a VERY SMALL description of what its all about. IF you want I can find you a much much better site |
| 08:11.23 | Tweak | http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=131410&liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=6&liChannelID=22&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1 |
| 08:11.28 | simonrvn | 'm going to try out jfs on some partition - once i get a stable enough kernel. 2.6.8.1 has been a bust so far |
| 08:11.31 | Crasp | "fully atomic".. that must a term they came up with themselves cause i seriously doubt it has anything to do with atoms :) |
| 08:11.33 | Phated | Tweak: Yes, but what's it about? |
| 08:11.35 | nailbiter | scarynetworkguy: it's a concept borrowed from databases; an 'atomic' operation is either done or not done -- it can't be seen in-progress or half-compelte. |
| 08:11.36 | az[a]zel | scarynetworkguy, meaning something a write will completely fully, or not complete at all.. so a commit is not left half finished |
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| 08:11.48 | Rama | peterS: OK. I understand it's not funny when it happens :p |
| 08:11.51 | Tweak | Phated anybody with console access, can lock up your machine and you cant even restart it. |
| 08:11.53 | peterS | Crasp: the etymology is that atoms were assumed to be atomic |
| 08:11.53 | simonrvn | Crasp, Phated, scarynetworkguy: no it's a progamming term |
| 08:11.57 | Gonzo | anyone got any idea why new kernel installed with apt-get loses my network card? |
| 08:11.58 | Phated | Tweak: Ahh. |
| 08:11.59 | Tweak | Phated and sine I was 200 miles away that was scary for me. |
| 08:12.01 | scarynetworkguy | coolness. |
| 08:12.02 | Phated | simonrvn: Oh, I see. |
| 08:12.05 | peterS | Crasp: this has since been disproven, but that's why they were originally called atoms |
| 08:12.06 | Phated | Tweak: Ahhh... |
| 08:12.19 | peterS | Crasp: because they were assumed to be the smallest thing there is, and could not be split further |
| 08:12.20 | Phated | az[a]zel: So it's like a binary thing, nothing halfway? |
| 08:12.21 | simonrvn | @dict atomic |
| 08:12.25 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'atomic' (3 shown; 13 total): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "atomic" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" atomic ;; immeasurably small [syn: {atomlike}, {minute}] ;; 2. Extremely minute; tiny.. |
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| 08:12.30 | suzzi | rich_: how big is your xfs partition on your laptop? |
| 08:12.41 | Crasp | peterS: hmm yeah that's true.. today they are splitting up like hell :) |
| 08:12.41 | Tweak | Phated soo I had to ask everyone here how to let my ftp clients keep they ftp but take away their ssh ability, but people just yelled at me asking why... so I had to figure it out myself. |
| 08:12.57 | simonrvn | wee, quarks and strings =) |
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| 08:13.20 | Crasp | simonrvn: anyway, i'll google for it, cause i've never heard of it :) |
| 08:13.22 | Tweak | PeterS and simonrvn both know how noob I am no? |
| 08:13.26 | Phated | Tweak: Ahh. I usually don't allow services except for ssh. So I'm semi-safe. :) |
| 08:13.33 | Phated | simonrvn: Heh. |
| 08:13.40 | peterS | Tweak: yes, quite (: |
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| 08:14.00 | simonrvn | though watch out for a trojan going around on linux boxen with out of date ssh installs |
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| 08:14.08 | Tweak | paterS I think I have grown a lot, I have not had any problems since, and im not going to buy proprietarty stuff any more. |
| 08:14.29 | simonrvn | see intrusions ML at dshield.org |
| 08:14.31 | Flimzy | Tweak: So you won't be buying any computer hardware? |
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| 08:14.39 | rich_ | suzzi 20 gigs. Its the whole disk. Xfs has features really designed for a server, like putting the most frequently accessed files in the fastest disk sectors. This means it takes a little bit extra overhead, and maybe a little more memory then some other file systems but in return for that it sqeezes a little extra speed from the hard disk which is sometimes just what a laptop needs. |
| 08:14.43 | Tweak | simonrvn there is a new linux virus? going though ssh? apt-get update sshd fixes it? |
| 08:14.54 | simonrvn | not a virus.. |
| 08:14.56 | Tweak | Flimzy only pure intel from now on. |
| 08:15.07 | Flimzy | Tweak: Intel isn't proprietary? |
| 08:15.15 | Tweak | Flimzy I had some DL hp servers, that wernt fun to say the least |
| 08:15.20 | scarynetworkguy | !lart Tweak for not only linking to FUD but linking to fucking stupid FUD |
| 08:15.23 | Tweak | Flimzy well the least proprietary |
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| 08:15.33 | Crasp | simonrvn: ah, it's (ofcourse) a database term |
| 08:15.34 | simonrvn | and please re-reas what i said: i said it's a) a trojan b) only vulnerale ssh installs are affected |
| 08:15.39 | Flimzy | Tweak: Intel as opposed to AMD? or as opposed to Mac or Sun or something? |
| 08:15.42 | Crasp | simonrvn: has everything to do with transactions and stuff |
| 08:15.49 | Tweak | scarynetworkguy is just mad at me becuase I didnt give me the pet squirrl he wanted. |
| 08:15.50 | simonrvn | yes |
| 08:16.00 | Tweak | flimzy I mean intell motherboards. |
| 08:16.03 | Tweak | flimzy sorry |
| 08:16.04 | Crasp | simonrvn: tho i don't believe it's technically possible to write a file completely, and not half |
| 08:16.05 | simonrvn | but noy only db stuff |
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| 08:16.07 | Flimzy | Tweak: ahh |
| 08:16.07 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse Tweak |
| 08:16.07 | dpkg | no, those was our ferret today, Tweak? by order of the people's republic of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 08:16.26 | Flimzy | Tweak: I'm not sure I'd trust Intel boards to be the least proprietary. |
| 08:16.29 | Tweak | flimzy make since now? :0) my HPs had some off the wall nics and ide controllers. |
| 08:16.32 | simonrvn | s,intell,inhell, |
| 08:16.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: FUD? *sigh* |
| 08:16.39 | Tweak | flimzy what would you recommend? |
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| 08:16.58 | Flimzy | Tweak: But then I've never actually owned an Intel board (to my knowledge). I have used some boards with Intel chipsets. But since I generally prefer AMD over Intel, I'll probably never buy another Intel chipset again, either. |
| 08:17.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah and not even very good FUD at that |
| 08:17.22 | Tweak | Does anybody know if the AMD 64 bits have heat throttling? I havnt trusted AMD since I burned up all my AMD2800s at once |
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| 08:17.33 | Flimzy | Tweak: What I recommend would depend very heavily on what exactly you're doing with the system... and what problems you're trying to avoid wrt proprietary |
| 08:17.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *sigh* |
| 08:17.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: indeed indeed |
| 08:17.48 | simonrvn | Tweak: basically what you'll see in auth.log is multiple attempts at a brute force login with the user names test, root, guest, and some other one |
| 08:17.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 08:17.57 | Flimzy | Tweak: You don't trust AMD b/c you misused your hardware? :P |
| 08:18.37 | Flimzy | speaking of motherboards, I need to get my hands on a dirt cheap board that will take a Duron 1.3Ghz, and PC133 RAM. |
| 08:18.42 | Tweak | Flimzy im trying to avoid staying up 4 days strait trying to get the hard drive contoller working, and then going to sleep for 1.5 days and then 3 days strait getting nic to work :0) ask peterS / simonrvn they were along for the ride ( I kinda dragged them behind every 2 hours or so) |
| 08:18.59 | Crasp | Tweak: the only way that i can see to burn up all your amd's at once it to throw them on a fire |
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| 08:19.10 | Tweak | Flimzy naa I went for vaction for a weekend, came back and they all overheated. |
| 08:19.19 | Crasp | Tweak: and i am pretty sure they were not meant to be thrown on a fire |
| 08:19.32 | Crasp | Tweak: decent cooling might help :) |
| 08:19.32 | Flimzy | Tweak: So you abused them... by putting them in an improperly controlled environment. |
| 08:19.48 | Tweak | Flimzy still a p4 would never do that |
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| 08:19.59 | Crasp | Tweak: it would |
| 08:20.07 | Flimzy | Tweak: I can understand how heat throttling can be nice... but it's only nice in situations that should never occur anyway. I'd rather just see to it that those situations don't occur. |
| 08:20.11 | Tweak | Flimzy ? if I turned off heat throttling maybe.. |
| 08:20.17 | Flimzy | Tweak: Spending 4x as much $$ so you can be lazy is stupid. |
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| 08:20.27 | Crasp | Tweak: because the thermal throttling is handled by the mainboard, and apparently you didn't have the correct mainboard for the cpu |
| 08:20.38 | Tweak | Crasp and Flimzy a p4 will work witnout a cpu fan / heatsink (it will lockup but wont die) |
| 08:20.41 | Crasp | Tweak: because mine will shutdown when it reaches > 70 degrees (celcius) |
| 08:20.44 | DerBadejunge | What does ist it mean, that sarge base is frozen? Is sarge-stable possible in some months? |
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| 08:21.22 | Flimzy | Tweak: I've had AMD CPUs lock up due to heat. Never had one die. |
| 08:21.23 | Tweak | Flimzy also P4 benchmarks have blown by AMD |
| 08:21.29 | Flimzy | Tweak: Whether by design or not, that's my experience. |
| 08:21.36 | Tweak | Flimzy (other then 64 bit I dont know there like I Said) |
| 08:21.41 | ecliptik | anyone have any experience with userlinux? |
| 08:21.45 | rich_ | DerBadejunge yes. More or less. Months or years. But relatively speaking, very soon. |
| 08:21.54 | Crasp | Tweak: yeah, the ones where they use a p4 3000 vs an amd 2000+ :) |
| 08:21.58 | Rama | Does anybody know how bad "hdb: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }" is ? |
| 08:22.01 | simonrvn | DerBadejunge: soon |
| 08:22.01 | Flimzy | Tweak: AMD pretty well always knock the socks off of P4 for most benchmarks... especially when you consider the price/performance ratio |
| 08:22.02 | Tweak | rick_ did you even put that duck on the train? |
| 08:22.12 | peterS | Rama: is hdb your CD-ROM drive, or a hard drive? |
| 08:22.18 | Rama | peterS: CD-ROM |
| 08:22.19 | Gonzo | anyone got any idea why new kernel installed with apt-get loses my network card? |
| 08:22.20 | Flimzy | Tweak: AMD probably offers 4 times the performance for the $ on high-end CPUs. |
| 08:22.22 | simonrvn | Flimzy: p4s are brute force cpus, not performance ones |
| 08:22.29 | Rama | peterS: DVD/CDR actually |
| 08:22.33 | ecliptik | Rama, after having a bad HD myself, I would have to say that's a pretty bad error, usually hardware related |
| 08:22.34 | peterS | Rama: probably means you don't have a CD in, or it's scratched, or similar |
| 08:22.53 | Flimzy | simonrvn: They only thing I care about is that they're expensive |
| 08:22.55 | Tweak | Crasp I go by the "toms hardware" benchmarks they test all and give a score to all processors. the P4 is averagly higher on the list |
| 08:22.56 | DerBadejunge | rich_ & simonrvn:thx guys |
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| 08:23.03 | Rama | peterS: Yeah, but it happens on all CD and DVDs and blank disks :/ |
| 08:23.03 | anpanman | Crasp: back up everything now. The drive will die SOON |
| 08:23.13 | peterS | Rama: well, hmmm. maybe hardware problems |
| 08:23.16 | anpanman | i mean rama |
| 08:23.16 | simonrvn | let's shove in instructions as fast as possible down a long pipe... ooo, smart... NOT |
| 08:23.20 | anpanman | rama: back up everything now. The drive will die SOON |
| 08:23.22 | Crasp | anpanman: oh :) |
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| 08:23.39 | Rama | Gniak... Off to the facory again ! >_< |
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| 08:23.59 | Rama | anpanman: Done already ! :) |
| 08:23.59 | Tweak | Flimzy my personal opinion is P4 Is safer in a server enviornment, But its hard to compair the geo metro to the skyline. |
| 08:24.02 | Flimzy | simonrvn: If Intel's performance were 25% that of AMD, I'd buy Intel if they had a lower price/performance ratio. |
| 08:24.12 | Crasp | Tweak: i would be pleased if you could show me a link where the amd 3000+ is beaten by the p4 3000 on average |
| 08:24.20 | simonrvn | Rama: they used to. ibooks are bad for h/w reliability |
| 08:24.27 | anpanman | Rama: actually, could be the media as well |
| 08:24.30 | Rama | simonrvn: NOW I know ! ;) |
| 08:24.33 | Tweak | Crasp ok just a sec your not going to leave are you? |
| 08:24.41 | simonrvn | Rama: i'm typing from an 8 year old mac |
| 08:24.42 | rich_ | Rama I took a class once where we figured it out. Its the weight. Apples weigh more and that makes them less likely to jiggle |
| 08:24.43 | Crasp | Tweak: i have been here for months |
| 08:24.55 | Tweak | Crasp How do you hold it in for so long? |
| 08:24.56 | Rama | anpanman: yeah, but that's the same with all CDs... sounds unlikely :p |
| 08:25.04 | Crasp | Tweak: one word.. IDLE |
| 08:25.18 | Tweak | Crasp im glad the 1 word wasnt recycle |
| 08:25.47 | Tweak | Crasp http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030217/cpu_charts-22.html |
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| 08:25.52 | simonrvn | Rama: it's the mobo really, bad mobo design, most other macs are decent. but damned fucks make them too expensive for plastic and metal |
| 08:25.55 | Rama | Hmmm... On one hand I hate PCs... but on the other hand, Apple give me the creeps. I think I actually hate computers but never realised :) |
| 08:26.08 | rich_ | Seems to me most people use debian, so when I buy hardware thats my first consideration. |
| 08:26.09 | Phated | Rama: Yep. |
| 08:26.13 | ecliptik | damn, so I guess not takers? haha |
| 08:26.19 | AnAnt_ | how can I request that a certain software be added to debian distro ? |
| 08:26.28 | Phated | rich_: I think the biggest share of Linux goes to RH or something. |
| 08:26.42 | Tweak | Crasp make sure you look at all the benchmarks, AMD is LESS behind in some of them. |
| 08:26.47 | Phated | sussudio: With a 'tude like that, no girl would want him. :) |
| 08:26.48 | simonrvn | AnAnt_: wnpp bug on the software. |
| 08:26.51 | ecliptik | breeding it's a problem, it's a choice |
| 08:26.55 | helix | does anyone know of a good program for vector graphics? |
| 08:26.57 | holo | krilla, can you rejoin #flood? |
| 08:27.21 | sussudio | :-| |
| 08:27.24 | simonrvn | helix: blender, inkscape |
| 08:27.31 | ecliptik | helix, what type of vector graphics exactly? |
| 08:27.34 | Tweak | sometimes a 2.4 P4 beats a 3000 AMD |
| 08:27.41 | rich_ | Phated Debian has the largest team of developers in the world. |
| 08:27.41 | AnAnt_ | simonrvn: huh ? |
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| 08:27.50 | Rama | babies are weird... they output error messages all the time... they are defetly not mature enough |
| 08:27.50 | helix | ecliptik: um, I don't know.. I'm not really a graphics designer, but I need something better than the gimp |
| 08:28.01 | Phated | rich_: But not the largest users, I think. |
| 08:28.06 | holo | krilla, i installed vmware-tools becouse in boot time it doesn't detect any boot disk.. and windos xp professional is in the cd drive. but the problem seems another |
| 08:28.08 | simonrvn | AnAnt_: go to bugs.debian.org and file a wnpp bug on the software you want packaged |
| 08:28.15 | AnAnt_ | oh |
| 08:28.15 | ecliptik | helix, go with simonrvn suggestion |
| 08:28.19 | AnAnt_ | k, thx |
| 08:28.24 | helix | blender is for 3d though, isn't it? |
| 08:28.27 | anpanman | helix: gimp rulez. for certain thins |
| 08:28.28 | Flimzy | Phated: Are you measuring largest users by height or weight? |
| 08:28.36 | Tweak | Tweak Hugs sussudio dressing in a giant pickle costume |
| 08:28.38 | holo | krilla, -> #flood |
| 08:28.38 | helix | anpanman: gimp isn't working for me atm |
| 08:28.40 | Phated | Flimzy: So funny. :| |
| 08:28.41 | Flimzy | Phated: b/c altho I'm not very fat, I am quite tall. And I use Debian. |
| 08:28.44 | krilla | msg me |
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| 08:28.50 | simonrvn | yes, inkscape is probably what you have in mind. though gimp has a vector graphics plugin |
| 08:28.57 | anpanman | helix: gimp is not good for vector |
| 08:28.57 | AnAnt_ | ok, is there a way to customize my debian distro ? |
| 08:28.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: In some twisted beautiful universe... |
| 08:29.01 | helix | simonrvn: it does? |
| 08:29.16 | Tweak | yay :0) |
| 08:29.16 | Phated | AnAnt_: Most people start of with a base, then install what they like... |
| 08:29.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah I wanna live in that one but I seem stuck here |
| 08:29.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, join the club. |
| 08:29.32 | AnAnt_ | Phated: I mean, customize the CD itself |
| 08:29.44 | Phated | AnAnt_: Dunno, probably not... |
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| 08:29.48 | AnAnt_ | k, thx |
| 08:30.01 | helix | !helixsmite Tweak |
| 08:30.04 | helix | hoho |
| 08:30.07 | scarynetworkguy | AnAnt_: sure you have the source go have fun. You are only limited by your ability to learn |
| 08:30.08 | helix | it even chose the right one |
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| 08:30.23 | Phated | dpkg gets smarter everyday. |
| 08:30.23 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Phated |
| 08:30.28 | Phated | Or not. |
| 08:30.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 08:30.48 | rich_ | Phated They are like trees falling with no one to hear them. Developers drive the technology not the users. The prophesy of bable says that when we ask in the language of God, even the unbelievers will be enlightened. And I mean enlightened with a small e, not the window manager. |
| 08:31.01 | Flimzy | Tweak: Going only by the first chart there... the XP 3000+ (which runs at 2.167Ghz) compared to the P4 2.66, the AMD runs 17% faster (per Mhz) than the Intel. |
| 08:31.14 | helix | wtf |
| 08:31.15 | Crasp | Tweak: http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-11.html |
| 08:31.20 | Crasp | Tweak: for your heat problem :) |
| 08:31.21 | rich_ | Phated I mean the developers speak, the users listen. |
| 08:31.21 | helix | don't do that you retard |
| 08:31.23 | anpanman | Flimzy: is xp 3000+ cheaper than p4 2.66? |
| 08:31.28 | Phated | rich_: Hold on there. The bible? WTF? |
| 08:31.33 | Tweak | Flimzy you asking me to show you what you asking and I provided. |
| 08:31.37 | Phated | The_Vulture: How did you know I needed that> |
| 08:31.38 | Tweak | Flimzy you cant say I didnt. |
| 08:32.17 | Phated | ?* |
| 08:32.18 | Tweak | Crasp do you agree with me? |
| 08:32.18 | The_Vulture | Phated: Omniscient and all that, comes in handy sometimes. |
| 08:32.18 | Phated | The_Vulture: Sure does. Thanks. |
| 08:32.18 | sussudio | !fix Tweak |
| 08:32.18 | Crasp | Tweak: for that test i agree, tho there are also lots of test which show it exactly from the opposite |
| 08:32.20 | Flimzy | Tweak: And 48% faster per $ (CPU cost only... Intel motherboards and RAM are generally more expensive than AMD, too, which I have not considered here) |
| 08:32.26 | Phated | rich_: Also... You can have all the developers in the universe working on Debian, but if everyone's using RH... It's not going to matter. |
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| 08:32.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Wait till next week. |
| 08:32.43 | Flimzy | anpanman: XP 3000+ is $95 on pricewatch, P4 2.6 is $148 |
| 08:32.54 | Flimzy | Tweak: I actually didn't ask for that. |
| 08:32.54 | Phated | OK... Tweak is starting to scare me... |
| 08:32.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I hope I really really hope so |
| 08:33.00 | Flimzy | Tweak: But that's okay... it's fine that you showed me :) |
| 08:33.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah. |
| 08:33.11 | Flimzy | Tweak: I still believe AMD is superior... and I just demonstrated why. |
| 08:33.11 | simonrvn | wtf, it got realling fucking weird in here now |
| 08:33.12 | dondelelcaro | Phated: with a name like Tweak you weren't already scared? |
| 08:33.23 | Phated | dondelelcaro: I was mildly alarmed, yes. |
| 08:33.23 | ecliptik | wow, yahoo! chatrooms are creepy, but yet.... seem to offer so much fun.... |
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| 08:33.30 | dondelelcaro | !room |
| 08:33.30 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 08:33.41 | Crasp | Tweak: the test you've shown me was almost completely filled with thoroughbreds as well |
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| 08:33.49 | Crasp | Tweak: the barton core tends to do it a lot better |
| 08:33.49 | Tweak | Flimzy oh sorry I thought you asking. Was it Crasp? Sorry I got confused. Im not trying to argue with you guys. Everyone has their own thing. I dont want to loose 2 of the nicest people I have met in debian. |
| 08:34.05 | rich_ | Phated Babel. The tower of Babel. God took away the language in which all that can be asked is recieved. But since then he's given us a few words here and there. But users dont contribute to that process, only developers |
| 08:34.05 | simonrvn | .. |
| 08:34.09 | Phated | Flimzy, Crasp: It's a come-on. AVOID, AVOID! |
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| 08:34.28 | Phated | rich_: Er, WTF. Users of Debian -do- contribute to the process... |
| 08:34.28 | Crasp | Tweak: http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/barton-15.html see here how the 2500+ let's a p4 3,3 bite the dust :) |
| 08:34.28 | Piggy | EXTERMINATE! |
| 08:34.31 | coywolf | what does this mean " on par with " ? equal? |
| 08:34.33 | Tweak | Crasp sorry they havnt done any newer benchamrks for a while, only the 64 bits and such. Anybody know if the 800 MHz fsb xeons are any better? |
| 08:34.37 | Flimzy | Tweak: To find a P4 that runs at roughly the same clockspeed as AMD, you're running 25% slower (by that benchmark) |
| 08:34.38 | Phated | simonrvn: Help. |
| 08:34.42 | Phated | coywolf: Yes. |
| 08:34.44 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: put down the crack pipe *before* starting the IRC client |
| 08:34.59 | coywolf | Phated: tnks |
| 08:35.04 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: you can type with one hand and smoke with the other... |
| 08:35.07 | Phated | coywolf: NP. |
| 08:35.09 | simonrvn | rich_: you're not making sense |
| 08:35.12 | Flimzy | Tweak: And still spending 30% more on the hardware |
| 08:35.13 | Tweak | Flimzy Im not compairing clock speeds, just what does better in benchmarks. The MAC processors kick butt and they run low. |
| 08:35.19 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: yes but that does not mean that you *should* |
| 08:35.25 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Bleh. Get's ash all over the nice keyboard... |
| 08:35.25 | ecliptik | has anyone used debian for a backup server? |
| 08:35.32 | sussudio | ecliptik: no. |
| 08:35.32 | Flimzy | Tweak: I agree that clockspeeds are not the most important. |
| 08:35.40 | rich_ | Think about it, its the one language everybody speaks. The one language that is not subject to interpretation. |
| 08:35.40 | ecliptik | any good utils or packages I should look into? |
| 08:35.44 | Flimzy | Tweak: IMO, as I've stated, price/performance is most important. And in that area, AMD wins by a longshot. |
| 08:35.46 | simonrvn | Mac/mac, not MAC, it's NOT A FUCKING MEDIA ACCESS CONTROL THING |
| 08:35.48 | sussudio | !tell ecliptik about polls |
| 08:35.55 | peterS | simonrvn: heh |
| 08:35.56 | Phated | rich_: What precisely is your point? |
| 08:35.58 | sepski | i get md5 checksum error on a package (atitvout) from ftp.no.debian.org in the sid distro. (yes is did apt-get update) |
| 08:36.15 | ecliptik | tweak, what kind of kiss is that suppose to be? |
| 08:36.17 | Flimzy | Tweak: eehhh.... no kissing in public, please! |
| 08:36.19 | Tweak | Flimzy aighty cool, I personally like the features of dual channel ram and hyperthreading. |
| 08:36.25 | Tweak | Flimzy And I will pay more for it. |
| 08:36.30 | Phated | OK, you guys need to get with the /msg-ing... |
| 08:36.32 | simonrvn | rich_: excuse me? the bible is a bunch of stories, and some of it hate literature, get over it |
| 08:36.37 | Flimzy | Tweak: Why pay more for a feature if it's slower? |
| 08:36.50 | Flimzy | Tweak: dual-channel RAM and hyperthreading obviously don't give Intel the advantage it's looking for. |
| 08:37.02 | Tweak | Flimzy sorry but I will continue when I get home. and you have to put on that little thing I bought for you. |
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| 08:37.12 | rich_ | Phated point is its developers that make debian the best, the largest team of developers in the world, and by that reconing linux, and debian is the most popular. |
| 08:37.12 | Flimzy | Tweak: thing? |
| 08:37.17 | eNovell | I'm trying to setup a serial console for logging.. But I can't get it to work.. I've tried to connect to it using minicom, but it seems like it can't connect.. Right now I'm using a serial cable for Cisco routers, are those OK to use ? |
| 08:37.20 | Phated | Tweak: Yo, you're starting to sound whack, man. |
| 08:37.34 | Tweak | Flimzy well its not required that you wear anything. |
| 08:37.34 | Tweak | PHated yes its late |
| 08:37.38 | Flimzy | Phated: I'm wondering (hoping, perhaps) that Tweak is female. But even so, this is still becoming odd |
| 08:37.39 | Tweak | Phated and Im installing linux |
| 08:37.39 | Phated | rich_: Also, WTF. stats show that Debian is ont the most popular. |
| 08:37.44 | Phated | Flimzy: Yeah. |
| 08:37.48 | Phated | Tweak: So? :) |
| 08:37.52 | Tweak | Flimzy haha |
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| 08:37.56 | Phated | s/ont/not/ |
| 08:38.05 | Tweak | Phated I get instant energy boots when installing linux |
| 08:38.08 | Flimzy | Phated: I wonder if Tweak has a CPU fetish... |
| 08:38.13 | scarynetworkguy | kill me just fucking kill me now |
| 08:38.22 | Tweak | Phated the damn penguin is like 9 crates full of speed for mee. |
| 08:38.28 | Phated | Flimzy: Damn, man, it's people like him that make me fear for me cybersafety... |
| 08:38.33 | Phated | !kill scarynetworkguy |
| 08:38.36 | helix | Tweak: please stop acting like a retard. |
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| 08:38.38 | The_Vulture | near enough |
| 08:38.38 | Flimzy | Anyway... I paid $25 for my XP 2400+ used, which was a nice improvement over my Duron 1.3Ghz. I'm happy |
| 08:38.38 | Phated | There we go. |
| 08:38.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: thankies |
| 08:38.49 | Tweak | hehe helix do I know you? |
| 08:38.55 | helix | Tweak: it doesn't matter |
| 08:38.56 | Phated | The_Vulture: And so much more fun... dpkg does the dirty work. |
| 08:39.07 | rich_ | Phated Ok, youve been trolling all night. Why dont you just tell us what it is you like so much that you think is better than debian and linux? |
| 08:39.09 | The_Vulture | indeed |
| 08:39.09 | Flimzy | Now I can transcode DVDs faster than realtime... woot! |
| 08:39.10 | Phated | Tweak: I recommend you listen to helix... |
| 08:39.13 | peterS | Tweak: you've been in this channel for many months (off and on), so has helix |
| 08:39.18 | llamabutcher | hey guys really quick before i do a debian ftp install - if i install w/ no graphical anything i need to apt-get gnome, and gdm and what X windows or osmething? |
| 08:39.19 | helix | Tweak: act like a normal human being or I will +q you, ok? |
| 08:39.26 | rich_ | Why hide it? |
| 08:39.26 | Flimzy | (does "faster than real time" mean I get done before I start?) |
| 08:39.34 | Phated | rich_: WTF! I have not said that Debian isn't good. I have not said that I like something better than Debian. |
| 08:39.37 | Rama | llamabutcher: obviously not |
| 08:39.38 | rich_ | Dont hide your light under a bushell |
| 08:39.38 | Tweak | helix is the +q the thing where I cant talk again? |
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| 08:39.42 | helix | Tweak: yes |
| 08:39.46 | Tweak | helix I was on that for 6 months... haha |
| 08:39.47 | llamabutcher | Rama: ? |
| 08:39.48 | helix | Tweak: gruezi wohl |
| 08:39.53 | Tweak | ? |
| 08:39.54 | helix | Tweak: then watch your step |
| 08:40.00 | helix | Tweak: sorry, I meant that for tarzeau |
| 08:40.01 | Flimzy | rich_: That's easy. Sex is better than debian and linux. |
| 08:40.05 | Rama | llamabutcher: you don't want to install graphic interfaces ? |
| 08:40.06 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse rich_ |
| 08:40.07 | dpkg | no, how was their snake tomorrow, rich_? by order of the democracy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 08:40.11 | Flimzy | rich_: So are some kinds of chocolate cake. |
| 08:40.22 | Phated | Flimzy: Ooo. |
| 08:40.22 | Tweak | helix oh hehe im not trying to cause any trouble sorry. Just getting a little frisky. |
| 08:40.30 | helix | Tweak: yeah. cut it out. |
| 08:40.34 | Phated | Tweak: Get frisky OFF the channel. |
| 08:40.37 | Tweak | helix what do you use linux for? |
| 08:40.39 | simonrvn | Tweak: here is not the place for that. sheesh |
| 08:40.39 | llamabutcher | no, i do... but the boot disc i have only loads like the core of debian w/ no grapical anything built in |
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| 08:40.50 | llamabutcher | and i know i have to apt-get gnome and gdm |
| 08:40.52 | Phated | llamabutcher: Then you apt-get stuff later. |
| 08:40.58 | helix | Tweak: I only use debian so I can stay in here and exercise my authoritah. |
| 08:41.00 | llamabutcher | but do i need something like apt-get xwindows or something |
| 08:41.01 | peterS | Phated: s/frisky// |
| 08:41.02 | Rama | llamabutcher: yeah, that's normal. You'll install that later |
| 08:41.02 | simonrvn | llamabutcher: um yeh. you expecting a rehdat install? |
| 08:41.03 | KrOnOs | what do i do in this case ? : configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation |
| 08:41.08 | Phated | peterS: Also works. |
| 08:41.19 | Rama | llamabutcher: it'll ask you with taskselect |
| 08:41.22 | simonrvn | 184yt=184619-34yt-92 fucking typing |
| 08:41.23 | llamabutcher | sim... no, but that should at least give me graphical stuff |
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| 08:41.24 | peterS | helix: oh, didn't you hear? nobody has to use debian to be in here. you could go back to knoppix and be fine here |
| 08:41.29 | llamabutcher | after i do mozilla and stuff |
| 08:41.30 | Tweak | helix I mean, do you host game servers? Use it for work? or just everday computer use? |
| 08:41.39 | The_Vulture | llamabutcher: x-windows-system will probably suffice |
| 08:41.39 | rich_ | Phated Well I explained quite clearly why I consider it the best. Largest team of developers. Ive explained quite clearly why that makes it the most popular and yet you persist in talking about people who dont even use computers at all |
| 08:41.40 | helix | Tweak: I h4x0r. |
| 08:41.45 | Rama | no no, no Mozilla.. only lynx on Debian ! :) |
| 08:41.46 | Flimzy | I think I'm gonna go watch The Last Samurai now before I go to bed... goodnight all |
| 08:41.49 | helix | or I, h4x0r |
| 08:41.49 | llamabutcher | yeah thats what im looking for thanks |
| 08:41.54 | Tweak | helix I take it game serverz then |
| 08:41.54 | The_Vulture | Rama: elinks for me :) |
| 08:42.06 | helix | Tweak: no |
| 08:42.09 | Tweak | helix oh |
| 08:42.16 | peterS | serverz? wtf kind of a word is that? |
| 08:42.18 | simonrvn | @+dict hacker |
| 08:42.23 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'hacker' (3 shown; 17 total): someone who plays golf poorly ;; 9. (University of Maryland, rare) A programmer who does not understand proper programming techniques and principles and doesn't have a Computer Science degree. Someone who just bangs on the keyboard until something happens. For example, "This program is nothing but spaghetti code. It must have been |
| 08:42.23 | ravenbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.24 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: agian with the *not* smoking crack while IRCing ok? |
| 08:42.25 | Rama | The_Vulture: yeah, links as well... tried w3m but not convinced |
| 08:42.30 | Tweak | helix hehe everyone ingame talk 1337 like that. |
| 08:42.34 | marcst | greetings y'all |
| 08:42.35 | Tweak | HAHA poor golf player |
| 08:42.38 | Tweak | I can call my boss a hacker |
| 08:42.42 | KrOnOs | what do i do in this case ? : configure: error: xml2-config not found. Please check your libxml2 installation /// i did apt-get install libxml2..but it didnt work :/ |
| 08:42.43 | helix | Tweak: it was an in-joke, actually |
| 08:42.47 | tarzeau | helix: bom dia |
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| 08:42.57 | Phated | rich_: Er, what? I like Debian. I consider Debian the best Linux distro. I however notice that Deabian, despite being the best distro, does not posess the largest number of Linux users. I also mean that Debian developers != Debian users. |
| 08:43.16 | Tweak | helix is there any threat of $temp stuff like windows has in my debian systems? |
| 08:43.26 | simonrvn | Phated: no. dds are also users, duh =) |
| 08:43.30 | Rama | DebianZ is l33t ! :) |
| 08:43.34 | helix | Tweak: yeah, there are temporary internet files |
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| 08:43.39 | tarzeau | i can feel the weekend |
| 08:43.41 | helix | if that's what you mean |
| 08:43.45 | Phated | simonrvn: Oh, yeah. My bad. I meant users != developers. |
| 08:43.53 | simonrvn | alamer |
| 08:43.55 | gomer | re |
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| 08:44.05 | rich_ | If you want my honest opinion they dont actually exist unless they have access to their kernel code. Because thats what makes it evolve. Debian has not just recently gotten the largest team of developers, its always had the largest. Its had plenty of time to benefit from their wisdom and experience. |
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| 08:44.10 | Phated | simonrvn: What's that do? |
| 08:44.17 | simonrvn | \/\/|-|47'Z 7|-|47 |)0? |
| 08:44.20 | Tweak | helix im only in text mode, I dont go online, but my windows box made some like $blahblah directories that people could get into. That was the last time I ever used windows for a server. |
| 08:44.41 | Phated | simonrvn: Hm? |
| 08:44.48 | simonrvn | |-|/\/\? |
| 08:44.51 | helix | Phated: that was 'alamer' mode. |
| 08:44.55 | simonrvn | :) |
| 08:44.59 | helix | Phated: see the l33t speak? |
| 08:45.00 | Phated | helix: Ahh. My bad. |
| 08:45.06 | marcst | oi that heurts |
| 08:45.09 | Phated | simonrvn: Very nice. |
| 08:45.12 | marcst | hurts even... |
| 08:45.17 | peterS | simonrvn: 5|-| |_| ~|~ |_| |' |
| 08:45.17 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: Who doesn't exist if they don't have access to their kernel code? |
| 08:45.21 | simonrvn | blame irssi :P |
| 08:45.28 | Phated | peterS: Ooo. |
| 08:45.29 | zimnyx | i've installed php4 and php4-mysql but still get this error "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mmysql_connect()".any tips ? |
| 08:45.41 | theKenT | gnus |
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| 08:45.52 | simonrvn | P373RZ: /\/0, 1 \/\/0/\/'7. (y3Z 1 \/\/1|_|_ :) |
| 08:46.15 | Tweak | 133+ 5p34k i5 pr3++y 5+upid, I d0|\|+ +|-|i|\|k i+ r3411y |-|45 4|\|y+|-|i|\|g +0 d0 wi+|-| 4|\|y+|-|i|\|g. T|-|3 |\|3rd +|-|4+ +|-|0ug|-|+ 0f +|-|i5 5|-|0u1d b3 pi|\|(|-|3d. |
| 08:46.15 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: nice |
| 08:46.15 | gallus | hi boys |
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| 08:46.15 | helix | oh my god. |
| 08:46.15 | MyNameIsChris | I'm desperate to get Linux running on one of my house computers, and from what I understand Debain is the best distribution. |
| 08:46.15 | simonrvn | oh no. sorry |
| 08:46.15 | MyNameIsChris | However, I have tried installing it on 3 machines and I always get a "No Screens" error whenever I try to start a desktop environment. |
| 08:46.17 | MyNameIsChris | Btw, I have the 3cd set from elx.com.au. If that matters. |
| 08:46.18 | MyNameIsChris | Thanks |
| 08:46.19 | simonrvn | helix: sorry |
| 08:46.22 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: what's your name? |
| 08:46.28 | MyNameIsChris | Chris |
| 08:46.29 | MyNameIsChris | lol |
| 08:46.30 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: Everything on one line... |
| 08:46.32 | helix | heh |
| 08:46.38 | MyNameIsChris | Sorry |
| 08:47.01 | MyNameIsChris | Anyone know a solution |
| 08:47.07 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: what sort of graphics card? |
| 08:47.12 | The_Vulture | ~tell MyNameIsChris about no screens found |
| 08:47.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
| 08:47.25 | MyNameIsChris | Radeon 9550 |
| 08:47.30 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: that would explain it |
| 08:47.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 08:47.43 | MyNameIsChris | And Intel Extreme Graphics IGP |
| 08:47.48 | rich_ | scarynetworkguy Excactly. Good programers putting in man hours contribute to a solid, stable operateing systems. Its developers who make the difference, not the users, so even though some other operateing systems have more users, unix and debian has had the most developers for so long that those other people will never catch up, no nmatter how many Users they have. Therefore the users who dont have access to their own source code, dont coun |
| 08:47.48 | rich_ | t, in the process. They exist only in the same sence that a tree makes a sound when there is no one to hear it. |
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| 08:47.49 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: Debian stable is quite old and shows its age particularly painfully in the newish graphics chipset department |
| 08:47.54 | helix | they should have called it XTREME |
| 08:47.59 | rich_ | also woman hours |
| 08:48.02 | helix | XTREME NRG GFX |
| 08:48.27 | Tweak | aighty all, I will C ya later, Cya helix Crasp Flixy peterS and simonrvn. |
| 08:48.28 | MyNameIsChris | I get the error on an old Thinkpad |
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| 08:48.31 | marcst | so anyway 24 hour internet cafes are nice, but it would be cool to not have to run putty for everthing |
| 08:48.36 | Tweak | get some sleep u r always on here |
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| 08:48.51 | simonrvn | marcst: stuck on a winbloze box i take it |
| 08:49.04 | marcst | simonrvn: yep |
| 08:49.04 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: see http://www.xfree86.org/4.1.0/Status.html |
| 08:49.05 | MyNameIsChris | So I have to choose another distro? |
| 08:49.09 | MyNameIsChris | Thanks |
| 08:49.18 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: for graphics chipsets supported by Debian 3.0 (current stable) |
| 08:49.19 | marcst | xp no less |
| 08:49.20 | simonrvn | MyNameIsChris: no, just upgrade t something more recent |
| 08:49.21 | marcst | bleah |
| 08:49.25 | gallus | i've bought an usb2 hard disk box but when i try to copy files the transfer rate is very low. is it possible to test it? i need particulare module? |
| 08:49.28 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: also, http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/Status.html |
| 08:49.29 | simonrvn | marcst: eew |
| 08:49.30 | Phated | marcst: You poor thing. |
| 08:49.34 | rox | MyNameIsChris: no, just get the testing installation ... |
| 08:49.38 | MyNameIsChris | I have Woody, Release 2 |
| 08:49.43 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: for chipset support in the *next* Debian release, which will happen Real Soon Now |
| 08:49.47 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: Go for sarge. :D |
| 08:49.48 | marcst | well at any rate it's cheaper than taking a cab home |
| 08:49.48 | simonrvn | MyNameIsChris: upgrade to sarge |
| 08:49.55 | Rama | MyNameIsChris: I think you need the DRI version of 4.3 for your thing |
| 08:49.58 | rox | MyNameIsChris: you can still boot off of woody, just install packages from the network ... |
| 08:49.59 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: if you find that your chipsets are supported in XFree86 4.3.0 but not 4.1.0, then here is what you want to do... |
| 08:50.00 | simonrvn | !tell MyNameIsChris about woody->sarge |
| 08:50.01 | The_Vulture | marcst: I just one run putty session connected to my screen session at home |
| 08:50.05 | The_Vulture | works from anywhere |
| 08:50.11 | Rama | MyNameIsChris: and the radeon module |
| 08:50.24 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and find a CD-ROM install image. find a way to burn this to a CD. then go from there. |
| 08:50.27 | marcst | The_Vulture: that's exactly what i'm doing :) |
| 08:50.30 | rox | MyNameIsChris: or like simonrvn said, upgrade to testing |
| 08:50.31 | simonrvn | MyNameIsChris: and it's mostly painless now, unlike the factoid |
| 08:50.32 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: OK. Which Linux users don't have access to the source for most of their stuff? |
| 08:50.38 | gallus | this box is connect to /dev/sdc1 |
| 08:50.39 | helix | or upgrade to sarge if you're already running woody |
| 08:50.46 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: beats me |
| 08:50.52 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | cya helix |
| 08:51.00 | Phated | simonrvn: See what rich_ said. :| |
| 08:51.04 | MyNameIsChris | It says it supports Radeon chips |
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| 08:51.15 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: I can't think of any |
| 08:51.16 | simonrvn | Phated: i'm consciously ignoring him right now |
| 08:51.17 | rox | scarynetworkguy: there are distroc, which hide the internals from their users ... |
| 08:51.17 | peterS | Tweak`TG-Onwer? can anybody translate? what is TG and what is an onwer? |
| 08:51.27 | simonrvn | s/he left |
| 08:51.29 | Phated | simonrvn: Consciously as in with / before it? :) |
| 08:51.29 | gallus | i have installed usbstorage module |
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| 08:51.33 | peterS | simonrvn: I know. I'm still curious |
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| 08:51.40 | marcst | k where tf is this thing d/lding my mp3s... |
| 08:51.44 | simonrvn | Phated: no, exercise in self control |
| 08:51.45 | coywolf | should i use freeswan or openswan? what do you use? |
| 08:51.51 | Phated | simonrvn: Oh, very nice. |
| 08:51.53 | peterS | coywolf: openswan is the future |
| 08:51.59 | rox | scarynetworkguy: before using debian i used mandrake for a few months ... so when i migrated from mandrake to debian, i was still a windows user more or less .. i didn0t learn shit on mandrake |
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| 08:52.06 | peterS | coywolf: freeswan is now dead, although I'm not saying it doesn't work |
| 08:52.13 | rox | scarynetworkguy: for example, i didn't know that kernel had modules |
| 08:52.16 | simonrvn | marcst: woop,s i was about to suggest $HOME teehee =) |
| 08:52.17 | scarynetworkguy | rox: WTF are you talking about? How do you hid the internals of GPLed software? |
| 08:52.21 | Phated | rox: Same here. Doesn't mean you didn't have access to the source, it just means you didn't use it. |
| 08:52.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: GUI's. Same goes for RH. |
| 08:52.33 | rox | scarynetworkguy: what phated said |
| 08:52.39 | coywolf | peterS: good, there should be only one ipsec implementation for linux |
| 08:52.43 | scarynetworkguy | rox: that would be your problem doesn't mean you did not have access to the source it simply means you did not use it |
| 08:52.44 | peterS | coywolf: right |
| 08:52.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I said that. :D |
| 08:52.52 | simonrvn | access != use |
| 08:52.52 | marcst | simonrvn: indeed that would make sense lol |
| 08:53.07 | Phated | simonrvn: Yeah, but our local troll says people don't have access. :) |
| 08:53.09 | rich_ | scarynetworkguy Linux users count, thats why debian is the most popular. Because the only kind of popularity that counts is developers. Unix and linux was created by and for developers, whether they develop big, small or just for school homework. |
| 08:53.10 | simonrvn | marcst: *nix r0x0r ;) |
| 08:53.11 | Swynndla | I tried to cron 'shutdown -h now' in root's crontab ... but it refuses to do it |
| 08:53.14 | rox | scarynetworkguy: it means that the os did not encourage me to get to know the internals in any way |
| 08:53.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I know you did. I'm just in pound the facts into the heads of the dense mode. :D |
| 08:53.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: rox isn't the dense one. |
| 08:53.32 | rox | scarynetworkguy: it installed and that was it ... nothing more to it |
| 08:53.33 | simonrvn | rox: yes, that's the nature of redhat. your point? |
| 08:53.45 | Phated | simonrvn: Mandrake. RH was me. |
| 08:53.52 | simonrvn | ...and YDL, and... |
| 08:54.00 | Phated | FC2... |
| 08:54.03 | simonrvn | Phated: whatever =) |
| 08:54.04 | peterS | helix: what about them? or what ones in particular? |
| 08:54.06 | scarynetworkguy | rox: you may not have taken advantage of it but if you had wanted it you *could* have gotten it |
| 08:54.07 | Phated | simonrvn: :D |
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| 08:54.15 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:54.18 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: groan |
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| 08:54.24 | The_Vulture | simonrvn: hehe :) |
| 08:54.24 | rox | scarynetworkguy: indeed i could, but i realy had no way of finding out? |
| 08:54.32 | Phated | simonrvn: Come on, puns are good. |
| 08:54.32 | marcst | place your bets, i have 48 minutes left in prepaid access , will i or not find my d/lded mp3s? |
| 08:54.33 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: :) |
| 08:54.45 | simonrvn | Phated: yes, i giggle after groaning |
| 08:54.47 | Phated | marcst: Depends. What's your typing speed? |
| 08:54.51 | Phated | simonrvn: Haha. |
| 08:54.54 | simonrvn | sometimes before |
| 08:54.54 | MyNameIsChris | I understand there maybe problems with my new GPU but how come I have the same problem on my really old Thinkpad? |
| 08:55.05 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: what graphics chip does it have? |
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| 08:55.06 | simonrvn | MyNameIsChris: too old maybe |
| 08:55.11 | helix | peterS: well, inkscape, I can't figure out how to change the colors |
| 08:55.13 | MyNameIsChris | Radeon 9550 |
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| 08:55.17 | Swynndla | I tried to cron 'shutdown -h now' in root's crontab ... but it refuses to do it <-- how do I do it? |
| 08:55.19 | Phated | simonrvn: And sometimes you fight to control yourself while typing the groan. |
| 08:55.20 | helix | and sodipodi won't open my png file |
| 08:55.23 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: no by defination "most popular" means used by the most people. end of story. Developers are no more and no less important than anyone else |
| 08:55.26 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: Radeon 9550 in a really old thinkpad? I doubt it |
| 08:55.26 | MyNameIsChris | If you're joining us late I get a "No screens error" |
| 08:55.30 | simonrvn | Phated: nah |
| 08:55.32 | scarynetworkguy | rox: you have a net connection don't you? |
| 08:55.35 | MyNameIsChris | No |
| 08:55.36 | Phated | simonrvn: Heh. |
| 08:55.40 | marcst | omg, these public machiens, they acrete so much shit |
| 08:55.45 | peterS | helix: yeah, .png is a raster format, sodipodi seems to be limited to vectors only |
| 08:55.50 | helix | hm |
| 08:55.51 | MyNameIsChris | I have tried on both machines and it was suggested it my be my new GPU |
| 08:55.54 | marcst | s club 7???? |
| 08:55.55 | helix | so save it as .svg or so? |
| 08:56.00 | marcst | arghghgh |
| 08:56.05 | MyNameIsChris | The thinkpad has some old IGP |
| 08:56.05 | POVaddct | MyNameIsChris: which gfx card do you have in the old thinkpad? |
| 08:56.08 | peterS | helix: if you have a svg option, yeah, that's a good choice |
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| 08:56.10 | marcst | oh the cursed mutt |
| 08:56.23 | helix | peterS: well, I can open png's in inkscape and then save as svg or so |
| 08:56.33 | rox | scarynetworkguy: i clearly understand your point that there was nothing stopping me from getting to know the internals, but my point is that those OSes don't encourage their users to get to know the internals in any way |
| 08:56.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It's not the net connections, it's the fact that distros like Mdk and RH are more of the "install everything from install because that's really the only way for your deps to be resolved" kind of thing. |
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| 08:56.47 | scarynetworkguy | marcst: does cursed == beloved now? |
| 08:56.49 | peterS | helix: ahh. so I guess it chucks a raster image into the svg. I wonder if sodipodi will be able to read that portion of it |
| 08:56.58 | peterS | heya, NuBus |
| 08:57.05 | simonrvn | marcst: i know. i and some others maintain a bunch of older macs running os 9, a couple of imacs with sarge + gnome on them, and an emac with os x, and a sarge server. the workstations have so much crap on them - especially the emac - that it's disgusting |
| 08:57.06 | NuBus | morning :) |
| 08:57.07 | POVaddct | helix: use autotrace to convert pixel formats like .png to vector formats |
| 08:57.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Actually, mutt == shit as in sucky thing. Not as in MUA... |
| 08:57.12 | simonrvn | NuBus: hiya |
| 08:57.14 | marcst | scarynetworkguy: i should specify: i refered not to the email client, but to the annoying xp search thingy |
| 08:57.24 | peterS | POVaddct: that's assuming it's fundamentally vector data |
| 08:57.25 | MyNameIsChris | I get the no screens error on the old thinkpad, a HP Pavillion with Intel Extreme Graphics 1 and a self built machine with the 9550 |
| 08:57.28 | gallus | does linux work with usb2 storage? |
| 08:57.36 | tarzeau | gallus: yes |
| 08:57.39 | gallus | do i need to set it? |
| 08:57.41 | simonrvn | gallus: yes. have scsi support? |
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| 08:57.51 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: well, here's the thing. "no screens found" means something went wrong such that the server doesn't find a usable configuration that drives real hardware |
| 08:57.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: ok maybe I will admit that it has been a long time since I used any of the lesser distros and so it might be more well hidden than I recall |
| 08:57.58 | marcst | ah well someone saw fit to d/l some ccr |
| 08:58.01 | scarynetworkguy | marcst: coolness |
| 08:58.03 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: it could mean various problems. read /var/log/XFree86.0.log for the details. |
| 08:58.07 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Think GUI install and not much else. Yep. |
| 08:58.09 | simonrvn | marcst: ooo :) |
| 08:58.11 | marcst | all is not lost |
| 08:58.18 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: with luck, that much more detailed log file will give you enough clues to see what is actually failing |
| 08:58.23 | Phated | marcst: Goody. |
| 08:58.33 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: I jumped on the new GPU thing because that's a very common cause of that error |
| 08:58.36 | gallus | simonrvn: yes i have, but my external usb2 hard disk box has very very low performance |
| 08:58.37 | simonrvn | ccr++ |
| 08:58.37 | POVaddct | MyNameIsChris: intel extreme graphics == i855gme chipset? |
| 08:58.39 | marcst | still havent found mine lol |
| 08:58.41 | scarynetworkguy | rox: point somewhat taken. I am glad to see that you have moved on and am now learning |
| 08:58.41 | MyNameIsChris | It all looks good then it has one line similiar to this (EE) No Screens Found |
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| 08:58.49 | rich_ | scarynetworkguy It depends on your definition of a person. You know, its not just the biggest group of programers, its people who have been around since the beginning. People who came from gnu. So I realise its fun to whine about how some date planner has a better color scheme, but unix was made by and for programers and thats who makes it most popular. |
| 08:58.53 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: no other (EE) lines? |
| 08:59.00 | MyNameIsChris | None |
| 08:59.04 | Phated | Oddness. |
| 08:59.06 | MyNameIsChris | NOt sure on the chipset |
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| 08:59.11 | helix | NuBus: have you ever used sodipodi or inkscape? |
| 08:59.16 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: what graphics driver are you attempting to use with the thinkpad? |
| 08:59.16 | helix | wtf do I change the preferred color |
| 08:59.20 | POVaddct | MyNameIsChris: you need to know the chipset |
| 08:59.23 | gallus | simonrvn: i think linux use it in usb1 not in usb2 mode |
| 08:59.37 | POVaddct | gallus: modprobe ehci-hcd |
| 08:59.38 | peterS | MyNameIsChris: anyway, to determine the chipset: lspci | grep VGA |
| 08:59.47 | Phated | helix: Chill... manpage not helping? |
| 09:00.10 | MyNameIsChris | On the other two I just chose standard VGA or something |
| 09:00.11 | Phated | OK, obviously not. |
| 09:00.14 | NuBus | helix: I haven't, no |
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| 09:00.26 | helix | Phated: anyway, no, the man page doesn't help |
| 09:00.31 | MyNameIsChris | I really want it on this machine, I bought a hdd just for it |
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| 09:00.39 | gallus | POVaddct: i haven't this module |
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| 09:00.49 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means |
| 09:00.51 | Phated | helix: Hmph. I'd install it and look around, but I'm running a dist-upgrade. Check back in about 15 minutes. |
| 09:01.02 | POVaddct | gallus: did you build your own kernel? |
| 09:01.14 | gallus | POVaddct: yes i did |
| 09:01.20 | POVaddct | gallus: which version? |
| 09:01.27 | twirl | make[1]: *** [ncurses] Error 1 I tried apt-get the file, but it seems that I have it. isn't it libncurses5 |
| 09:01.31 | ghostie | i got a question. if i try to get from X to console mode, my screen ends up in gray color hand hangs it self, any idea why? |
| 09:01.37 | cyberyo | io |
| 09:01.41 | gallus | POVaddct: 2.4.26 |
| 09:01.42 | simonrvn | twirl: -dev |
| 09:01.48 | simonrvn | cyberyo: hi |
| 09:01.52 | MyNameIsChris | The machine I want it on: Abit AS8 (i865 + ich5r), Radeon 9550 |
| 09:01.55 | twirl | simonrvn: tanks |
| 09:01.55 | POVaddct | gallus: then you most likely forgot that module |
| 09:02.10 | twirl | s/tanks/thanks |
| 09:02.22 | gallus | POVaddct: could be :) where do i find it? |
| 09:02.34 | POVaddct | gallus: usb section in the kernel config |
| 09:02.53 | POVaddct | gallus: look for something with "ehci" |
| 09:03.08 | gallus | POVaddct: tnx a lot see you soon i need to go |
| 09:03.16 | gallus | POVaddct: :) |
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| 09:04.21 | MyNameIsChris | Is Knoppix based on Debian? |
| 09:04.29 | POVaddct | MyNameIsChris: yes |
| 09:04.40 | MyNameIsChris | Because I can run Knoppix |
| 09:04.40 | rox | MyNameIsChris: it is, but it's not the same thing |
| 09:05.00 | colde89 | have problems to get a isdn-connection to work (unrecognized option `number` with pon isdn/provider) any idea ?? |
| 09:05.08 | POVaddct | MyNameIsChris: it is a mixture of packages from debian testing and unstable |
| 09:05.26 | try_catch_this | if you wanted to turn a knoppix hd install into debian how hard would that be? |
| 09:05.43 | tarzeau | MyNameIsChris: based and then changed very very much |
| 09:05.59 | trisco | try_catch_this: why not just use debian in the first place? |
| 09:06.18 | rich_ | try_catch_this very easy, just put in a debian installation cd or floppy and follow the instructions. |
| 09:06.22 | Sitron[] | On my console, the kernel spits out info about scsi warnings and ext3 info (when I mount them). Can I make all those messages go to a spesific console? ala tty5? |
| 09:06.23 | try_catch_this | cause I dont have 5 days to wait till it downloads |
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| 09:06.52 | Phated | try_catch_this: Ahem. b-fs. |
| 09:06.54 | rich_ | of course you lose all your data |
| 09:06.58 | trisco | try_catch_this: you could try the netinstall or even the biz card iso, its a very small download |
| 09:07.59 | try_catch_this | at its core debian is a kernel image and a few utilities right? |
| 09:08.03 | rajasun | MyNameIsChris: someone mentioned the other day if Knoppix is Debian, it won't be called Knoppix but Debian |
| 09:09.13 | rajasun | MyNameIsChris: Knoppix has a mix of Testing and Sid packages...mixing packages from different branches is a disaster waiting to happen |
| 09:09.48 | POVaddct | rajasun: yes, sooner or later you will get trouble with apt-get |
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| 09:10.32 | scarynetworkguy | try_catch_this: as any core system should be yes |
| 09:10.34 | POVaddct | rajasun: (which can be fixed in most cases by running dpkg with some --force options) |
| 09:10.37 | ghostie | what are the best ati drivers? |
| 09:10.53 | rajasun | POVaddct: and it is sooner rather than later...these folks why can't they just learn ;) |
| 09:11.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Damn straight. |
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| 09:11.52 | Phated | POVaddct: But wouldn't you rather not have to force anything? :) |
| 09:11.57 | rajasun | POVaddct: there are things they need to extra careful about I know that Kanotix and Knoppix puts some packages on hold in the default install |
| 09:12.03 | POVaddct | Phated: of course |
| 09:12.11 | Phated | POVaddct: So use Debian. :D |
| 09:12.12 | bertbob | if it's just a matter of testing and sid both in sources.list, that kind of mix apt-get can handle ok |
| 09:12.14 | rich_ | ghostie Ive found the xvidix driver works really well with my ati rage mobility pro but if you mean the xfree video driver I use the one called "ati", as opposed to the one called "atifb" or "atimisc" |
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| 09:13.32 | Phated | bertbob: Not really a good idea though. I think they have different versions of libs or something. |
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| 09:13.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 09:13.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 09:14.14 | rajasun | a visit to another knoppix-like distro e.g. Mepis, a quick browse through their forum reveals a ton of user complaints about the inability to just apt-get a kernel-image or probs they experienced with new upgrades to major packages like X ;) |
| 09:14.19 | MyNameIsChris | Okay, I have ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.9.0 on an APC (Australian Personal Computer) CD. Is there someway I could use that during installation? |
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| 09:14.20 | bertbob | newest version always wins |
| 09:14.21 | scarynetworkguy | bertbob: you can get away with it if you are *very* careful but that does not make it a good idea |
| 09:14.23 | bertbob | ;) |
| 09:14.26 | ghostie | rich_: what about fglrx? |
| 09:14.43 | scarynetworkguy | MyNameIsChris: just install it after the install |
| 09:14.46 | rich_ | ghostie never heard of it, sorry |
| 09:15.05 | ghostie | rich_: http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/ |
| 09:15.26 | MyNameIsChris | I don't really know any terminal commands, so you'd have to tell me how if you don't mind. |
| 09:15.37 | MyNameIsChris | Sorry |
| 09:15.48 | POVaddct | MyNameIsChris: then it is time to learn those commands |
| 09:15.51 | Phated | We'll try, MyNameIsChris. Just go on with the install. |
| 09:15.53 | POVaddct | (sorry *g*) |
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| 09:16.23 | Phated | POVaddct: Meh. :) Always time to learn more commands. |
| 09:16.37 | POVaddct | hehe |
| 09:16.39 | scarynetworkguy | !tell rajasun about mepis |
| 09:17.27 | rajasun | scarynetworkguy: SimplyMEPIS 2004.1 tracks esting NOT unstable ;0 |
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| 09:17.39 | scarynetworkguy | mepis seems like a really good way to fuck yorself with with a lead pipe |
| 09:17.44 | rajasun | scarynetworkguy: i know because I tested it out just a few days back ;) |
| 09:17.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Sounds like it. |
| 09:17.52 | rajasun | scarynetworkguy: agree :) |
| 09:18.08 | MyNameIsChris | If I insert the CD and type the path to that driver, will it work? Sorry for being nooby. |
| 09:18.17 | scarynetworkguy | !be learning barbie |
| 09:18.27 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: Stop apologising. But... OK. You need to mount the CD. |
| 09:18.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No such thing. |
| 09:18.33 | marcst | lmgdao |
| 09:18.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah somebody needs to make one :D |
| 09:18.43 | MyNameIsChris | mount cdrom? |
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| 09:18.57 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: OK. What's your cdrom drive recognised as? |
| 09:19.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I mean, there's no such thing as a learning barbie. |
| 09:19.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Wordplay here. |
| 09:19.44 | POVaddct | MyNameIsChris: i would rather try to get X running with the fbdev driver, until you have located the native driver |
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| 09:20.13 | MyNameIsChris | . /dev/cdrom I think. I really don't have alot of experience with Linux |
| 09:20.17 | Phated | POVaddct: Dude, he should learn how to mount CDroms too... :D |
| 09:21.06 | POVaddct | grep -l CDROM /proc/ide/hd?/media |
| 09:21.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
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| 09:21.17 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You want the newb? :) |
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| 09:21.54 | MyNameIsChris | Doesn't Grep search a file? |
| 09:21.55 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: Good enough. Type mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 09:22.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: let me check somehting |
| 09:22.24 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Sure. |
| 09:22.25 | MyNameIsChris | And to install the driver |
| 09:22.31 | POVaddct | MyNameIsChris: no, grep searches a string *in* a file |
| 09:22.33 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: Do that first... |
| 09:22.57 | Phated | POVaddct: Well, it can also search stout and print results. ls /dir | grep something works. |
| 09:23.03 | Phated | Er. stdout |
| 09:23.08 | POVaddct | Phated: i know |
| 09:23.15 | MyNameIsChris | Okay, well I try that now. Thanks Alot. Bye |
| 09:23.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: is he runing sarge? |
| 09:23.27 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: Hang on. It's NOT installed. |
| 09:23.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ask him. |
| 09:23.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: touches |
| 09:23.43 | MyNameIsChris | No, I have to install it now |
| 09:23.52 | scarynetworkguy | MyNameIsChris: are you trying to install sarge? |
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| 09:23.54 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: You mean install what? Debian? |
| 09:23.57 | MyNameIsChris | Woody |
| 09:24.04 | MyNameIsChris | Debian |
| 09:24.12 | slashme | Hi! My X is broken: xdm runs, but if I login successfully, X bombs out, and I'm back in xdm. If I try "startx" I also don't get in. I was told to reinstall x-window-system-core, and I found it was not installed, so I installed it, but to no avail. |
| 09:24.13 | MyNameIsChris | I have to unplug my SATA driver so it'll work |
| 09:24.35 | MyNameIsChris | *driver = disk |
| 09:24.37 | MyNameIsChris | oops |
| 09:24.39 | Phated | You have a very odd system. Have fun. :) |
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| 09:25.02 | MyNameIsChris | Yeah, I have on SATA and one IDE because I am told Debian ships with an old kernel |
| 09:25.04 | scarynetworkguy | MyNameIsChris: if it is woody by default your mount point is going to be /cdrom so mount /cdrom should work then yes you can just look in the mount point for whatever you hve on the cd |
| 09:25.09 | MyNameIsChris | *one |
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| 09:25.19 | Di42lo | to install dhcp on debian server, the iptables script is enough ? |
| 09:25.22 | MyNameIsChris | Thanks |
| 09:25.22 | slashme | What logs could I check to see what is wrong? I don't get any obvious errors after "startx". |
| 09:25.35 | Splatch | dites moi il e ou le rep plugin de mozilla? |
| 09:25.35 | MyNameIsChris | Bye |
| 09:25.43 | The_Vulture | Di42lo: what iptables script? and what do you want to install? a DHCP server, or clien? |
| 09:25.48 | The_Vulture | s/clien/client/ |
| 09:25.49 | scarynetworkguy | MyNameIsChris: I'm going to get thwaped for this but I would sugges that you use the sarge installers |
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| 09:25.56 | Di42lo | The_Vulture DHCP server |
| 09:26.05 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
| 09:26.12 | The_Vulture | Di42lo: then apt-cache search dhcp server and pick one.. |
| 09:26.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Self-fulfilling prophecy there, mate. |
| 09:26.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I did in fact call it :D |
| 09:26.30 | Di42lo | The_Vulture and what about the configurations ? |
| 09:26.32 | simonrvn | grr, how *do* you run a binary in gdb to debug. 59-=g1h9= b3---q |
| 09:26.40 | The_Vulture | Di42lo: in /etc/<package name> like everything else |
| 09:26.42 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You did. |
| 09:26.52 | The_Vulture | simonrvn: what the? |
| 09:26.52 | scarynetworkguy | !win scarynetworkguy |
| 09:26.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, scarynetworkguy! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 09:26.57 | Di42lo | The_Vulture ok ...i n00b with debian :| |
| 09:26.58 | scarynetworkguy | w00t |
| 09:27.02 | Di42lo | The_Vulture thx |
| 09:27.08 | mst | !thx |
| 09:27.08 | The_Vulture | gdb ./my_executable - then once gdb starts type "run".. |
| 09:27.08 | dpkg | np lol |
| 09:27.37 | Di42lo | The_Vulture apt-cache search dhcp server < that what i need to run ? |
| 09:27.48 | The_Vulture | Di42lo: that'd be a start.. |
| 09:27.55 | Phated | WHY does everyone insist on announcing that they're noobs? I mean, it really doesn't help us help them, and if any of us are in a foul enough mood, will cause us to flame them instead. This rant brought to you by the letter O. |
| 09:28.13 | The_Vulture | and the number i. |
| 09:28.20 | Phated | And the letter 4. |
| 09:28.28 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: i'm trying to run mysql-admin in gdb to get some stuff to debug it - the maintainer asked me to - but i keep forgetting what to do to run it. like i run gdb /path/to/binary, then type run, and the stupid thing exits and i can't get a backtrace because of that |
| 09:28.32 | slashme | Why could X possibly bomb out after trying to start a session? After all, xdm is drawing windows on the screen and running the mouse. How could I find out what's bombing out? |
| 09:28.34 | The_Vulture | the cult of small furry animals |
| 09:28.38 | The_Vulture | :) |
| 09:28.43 | Di42lo | The_Vulture and then i choose one and run for exmple. ..apt-get install package name ? |
| 09:28.44 | hearsay | how can I get a removable harddisk into /proc/ide (if it wasn't present at boot time) |
| 09:28.49 | The_Vulture | Di42lo: indeed.. |
| 09:29.02 | Di42lo | The_Vulture cool..thx u r the man :| |
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| 09:29.19 | ebene | how can i add space to my root partition? its ext2, and im trying with qtparted, but it won't let me resize it |
| 09:29.22 | scarynetworkguy | This rant brought to you by the letter BOFH |
| 09:29.24 | The_Vulture | simonrvn: well what exactly did he want? does it segfault somewhere? if not you'd need to set a breakpoint somewhere so you can trace at that point |
| 09:29.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Which rant? |
| 09:29.36 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: yes |
| 09:29.44 | simonrvn | it segfaulting |
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| 09:30.01 | slashme | Another question: Can I run X, and then manually run different clients to see what bombs and why? |
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| 09:30.05 | slashme | If so how? |
| 09:30.09 | The_Vulture | simonrvn: what exits? all of gdb, or just the app? what do you do to produce the segfault without gdb? |
| 09:30.13 | simonrvn | the app |
| 09:30.15 | The_Vulture | (ie: do you pass any arguments to it) |
| 09:30.29 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: it segfaults by clicking on a particular pane |
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| 09:30.40 | simonrvn | @wb |
| 09:30.45 | ravenbird | thanks, simonrvn. It's good to be back. |
| 09:30.46 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I didn't have a rant but the joke was too good *not* to throw out. :D |
| 09:30.57 | The_Vulture | but when you run it in gdb it doesn't come up with the UI? not sure I can help all that much there, I've never had a need to debug graphical apps.. |
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| 09:31.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 09:31.23 | simonrvn | no it doesn't, it just exits, straing at me saying "nyah, you're an idiot" |
| 09:31.40 | Phated | Poor you. |
| 09:31.53 | The_Vulture | simonrvn: if you execute it from the command line withou gdb, it does show a UI? *shrugs*.. |
| 09:32.01 | simonrvn | maybe run it normally, and attach to it? |
| 09:32.06 | The_Vulture | sure |
| 09:32.15 | The_Vulture | gdb <executable name> <pid> |
| 09:32.18 | The_Vulture | if I recall correctly |
| 09:32.33 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: yeah once the box finds out that you are an idiot you are pretty much fucked. You can never really scare it again |
| 09:32.40 | simonrvn | that worked |
| 09:32.41 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 09:33.34 | simonrvn | run app, gdb, attach $PID |
| 09:33.45 | slashme | OK, I typed "X" to start X-windows. I now have the familiar grey screen with an X. I guess it's display 0 as there was no other X running, and it's on VT7. Now, how do I open a graphical app on that X? |
| 09:33.51 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: hehe |
| 09:34.18 | slashme | Am I visible at all? |
| 09:34.23 | Phated | slashme: You have a terminal? |
| 09:34.24 | tcsetattr | slash, go to a terminal and type DISPLAY=:0 twm (or DISPLAY=:0 xterm or something like that) |
| 09:34.25 | caphuso | slashme: by hitting ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 09:34.26 | Crasp | slashme: you should consider using startx and putting a windowmanager in your ~/.xinitrc |
| 09:34.28 | Phated | On X. |
| 09:34.37 | slashme | Thanks! |
| 09:34.47 | Phated | Crasp: Startx apparently kills him. *shrug* |
| 09:34.57 | rich_ | slashme I think startx might be a better way to start x. It starts other things you probably need at the same time, like a window manager |
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| 09:35.20 | Crasp | a windowmanager? |
| 09:35.25 | Crasp | now why would you want that? ^_^ |
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| 09:35.33 | Phated | Crasp: And why not, eh? :) |
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| 09:36.00 | Crasp | Phated: i just love moving my pretty "X" mouse cursor around on the "grey" screen |
| 09:36.03 | slashme | Crasp, and rich, I know how to start x normally, but since upgrading some things, it dies after I log into xdm, or immediately after startx. |
| 09:36.09 | Phated | Crasp: Heh. |
| 09:36.17 | slashme | I now did the DISPLAY=:0 xterm thing, and it worked. |
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| 09:36.31 | pingouiin | what im supose to do to lauch an X app (printtool) that need me to be root, while i'm already under X with my normal user, the apps doesnt want to launch saying that there is no DISPLAY |
| 09:36.35 | Crasp | slashme: try something like DISPLAY=:0 wmaker |
| 09:36.36 | slashme | When I typed "exit" in the xterm, X died as well, I guess because the last client died. |
| 09:36.44 | Crasp | slashme: yes |
| 09:36.46 | slashme | OK, will do.... |
| 09:36.54 | Crasp | make sure you have wmaker installed tho |
| 09:37.08 | Phated | slashme: Well, s/wmaker/yourwmofchoice/ |
| 09:37.10 | Crasp | and if you get errors feel free to check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 09:37.11 | caphuso | slashme: why the fuck are you wasting your time with useless experiments like that instead of fixing your problem with startx/xdm? |
| 09:37.23 | bethe | hello. i have to set up a dell poweredge 1750 as internet-server (www/mail). i am looking for a good howto. any ideas? |
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| 09:37.28 | caphuso | Crasp: what for? it's obviously not a problem with the X server |
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| 09:37.41 | iblis- | beth, google.com |
| 09:37.50 | Rama | Does anyone know dhcpd here ? |
| 09:37.55 | Crasp | caphuso: XFree86.0.log doesn't just log server messages |
| 09:38.07 | bethe | iblis-: yeah. i know google. thanks :) |
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| 09:38.10 | caphuso | Crasp: wrong |
| 09:38.24 | iblis- | Rama, whats wrong with your dhcp ? |
| 09:38.25 | slashme | OK, I did the DISPLAY=:0 twm, and ran chromium successfully, with hardware accelleration, no less!!! |
| 09:38.27 | slashme | OK, cool. |
| 09:38.31 | slashme | Now to debug shit.... |
| 09:38.34 | Rama | I get the "No subnet declaration for eth0" finger and I can't seem to find any config file which contains eth0 |
| 09:38.39 | Crasp | caphuso: well at least, if his X gets killed immediately he could probably find it there |
| 09:38.39 | Rama | hmm. |
| 09:38.43 | Rama | let me rephrase |
| 09:39.05 | Rama | I've edited /etc/dhcpd.conf to include a subnet |
| 09:39.08 | MyNameIsChris | It was already installed. I just had to install the driver. It starts, but the resolution is so low I can't really do anything. |
| 09:39.15 | caphuso | Crasp: yes, it would tell him "your X server was killed unexpectedly". useful... |
| 09:39.17 | Rama | but it still says there's nothing for eth0 |
| 09:39.26 | slashme | OK, interesting, I exited twm, but X didn't go down.... |
| 09:39.28 | slashme | weird... |
| 09:39.30 | bethe | i like use sarge with OMSA and all the dell-remote-stuff. asking mysel right which kernel (sarge) i should use |
| 09:39.31 | Rama | and I can't find any example which works. |
| 09:39.32 | Crasp | caphuso: you could look for lines with errors |
| 09:39.42 | bertbob | ~/.xsession-errors might have something |
| 09:39.44 | caphuso | Crasp: it's *not* a problem with the X server |
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| 09:40.09 | Rama | Question would be, where do I explain what eth0 should do ? |
| 09:40.12 | caphuso | Crasp: so, any errors will *not* be in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 09:40.28 | iblis- | Rama, do you use multiple subnet ? |
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| 09:40.39 | Crasp | slashme: i think caphuso will help you further, at least, i'm not going to anymore, cause it appears he knows it better than i do :) |
| 09:40.44 | Rama | iblis-: No (at least I don't think so..^^;;) |
| 09:40.54 | caphuso | slashme doesn't seem to want help |
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| 09:40.58 | Rama | iblis-: dhcpd.conf is for a _server_, actually, is it not ? |
| 09:40.59 | slashme | Crasp: caphuso is an idiot. |
| 09:41.09 | slashme | ignore him. |
| 09:41.15 | Crasp | well he is right |
| 09:41.16 | caphuso | slashme: maybe, but my X session is working |
| 09:41.21 | iblis- | Rama, dhcpD.conf is for the daemon/server |
| 09:41.47 | scarynetworkguy | Rama: what are you trying to do? |
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| 09:41.59 | slashme | caphuso, ol' buddy ol' pal. Mine was working. I know about xdm, I have been using it for years. |
| 09:42.01 | Crasp | slashme: this isn't the right channel to flame either :) |
| 09:42.01 | bethe | is anybody running sarge on dell PE 1750? |
| 09:42.08 | MyNameIsChris | How could I change the resolution in kdm if it is too low to do anything? |
| 09:42.17 | slashme | It had stopped working after an upgrade, and I want to know why. |
| 09:42.24 | Rama | iblis-: actually, what I'd like to do is get the network to work on my desktop. My provider offers DHCP, so I need, well, a DHCP client.. :p |
| 09:42.27 | slashme | Crasp was helping me very nicely. |
| 09:42.30 | Crasp | MyNameIsChris: you have to adjust it in your XF86Config |
| 09:42.32 | slashme | Sorry for the irritable response. |
| 09:42.37 | slashme | I know you're not an idiot. |
| 09:42.38 | caphuso | slashme: nvidia card? |
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| 09:42.48 | slashme | nope, intel 830. |
| 09:42.59 | Crasp | MyNameIsChris: X is not aware whether there is a windowmanager or loginmanager running |
| 09:43.05 | Rama | I heard that dhpcd is something like both client and server, and I'm afraid I'm off configuring things whcih don't actually help |
| 09:43.07 | Crasp | MyNameIsChris: it just shows you what you entered in your config |
| 09:43.15 | iblis- | Rama, apt-cache search dhcp client |
| 09:43.16 | MyNameIsChris | How would a Linux noob do it? |
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| 09:43.28 | Crasp | MyNameIsChris: xf86config<enter> |
| 09:43.29 | caphuso | slashme: ok. run 'rm -f ~/.xsession ~/.xinitrc; echo exec xterm > ~/.xsession; startx' |
| 09:43.34 | caphuso | tell me if it works |
| 09:43.43 | scarynetworkguy | Rama: OK slow down just a bit turbo. Are you in #flood |
| 09:43.54 | Rama | iblis-: yeah, done that... |
| 09:43.55 | MyNameIsChris | ALright, thanks |
| 09:44.00 | MyNameIsChris | Bye |
| 09:44.07 | Rama | scarynetworkguy: well no, but I can join if needed |
| 09:44.11 | slashme | ok, hang on... |
| 09:44.14 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: Dude, stop going off and on... Use the ttys. |
| 09:44.20 | scarynetworkguy | yeah do that |
| 09:44.26 | Rama | scarynetworkguy: done |
| 09:44.33 | mojonat | Hmm? Java in debian is a sad chapter? No apt-get java? |
| 09:45.05 | Crasp | !tell mojonat about blackdown |
| 09:45.25 | choclo | I try and install debian. Without success! I am an absolute beginner in linux an the only word I know in computanish is damn. So who ventures to help me |
| 09:45.41 | Phated | Probably no one. |
| 09:45.51 | mojonat | Crasp: Excellent. Thanks a bunch! =) |
| 09:45.52 | Phated | choclo: Anyways. Describe your problem more specifically. |
| 09:45.53 | Crasp | choclo: by reading the install docs on www.debian.org |
| 09:46.13 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I heard that vaguness makes baby jesus cry |
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| 09:46.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Causes cancer too. |
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| 09:46.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
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| 09:47.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 09:47.34 | coywolf | peterS, how about kame? kame vs openswan, which one is the future? |
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| 09:47.40 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 09:47.50 | Crasp | coywolf: tinc :) |
| 09:48.05 | coywolf | Crasp: ?? |
| 09:48.10 | peterS | coywolf: kame? I thought kame was only concerned with IPv6. maybe I'm mistaken |
| 09:48.25 | Crasp | coywolf: www.tinc-vpn.org |
| 09:48.29 | peterS | coywolf: anyway, probably openswan, for linux. kame seems to be more concentrated on the BSDs, Solaris, etc. |
| 09:48.55 | coywolf | peterS: kame is in linux kernel now |
| 09:49.09 | iblis- | guys, do i need to patch 2.4.26 to get quota support on reiserfs ? |
| 09:49.40 | peterS | coywolf: it is not. certain patches originating from kame have gone in, for linux 2.6 |
| 09:49.54 | peterS | coywolf: but the ipv6/ipsec stack in Linux is Linux's, not KAME's |
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| 09:50.19 | slashme | OK, interesting. If I run X, and then do DISPLAY:0 wmaker, it works. I set my .xsession to say "exec xterm" as suggested, but startx still bombs out shortly after starting X. |
| 09:50.24 | ebene | Hi im using 2.4.26 (Debian). I am trying to resize my root partition (ext2). I have tried using qtparted, but it won't let me resize. I have about 25 gb free on this hdd. Anyone know how i can do this? |
| 09:50.26 | slashme | No xterm starts up. |
| 09:50.48 | ebene | hda* |
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| 09:52.16 | caphuso | slashme: read ~/.xsession-errors |
| 09:53.57 | slashme | It said "/home/slashme/.xsession: Permission denied. |
| 09:54.01 | tcsetattr | slashme, is your .xsession executable and does it have the proper #! header? |
| 09:54.07 | tcsetattr | hah! /me called it |
| 09:54.21 | caphuso | ~/.xsession doesn't need to be executable |
| 09:54.22 | slashme | What should it be? #!/bin/bash? |
| 09:54.30 | caphuso | it also doesn't need to have a #! header |
| 09:54.31 | slashme | .xsession is world-readable. |
| 09:54.52 | tcsetattr | caphuso, his error message (in addition to my ancient memories) says otherwise. |
| 09:54.53 | slashme | It might be old, let me just run x again? |
| 09:55.39 | hearsay | can I insert/remove a hd into/from a "mobile" ide-rack while the pc is running? |
| 09:55.39 | caphuso | tcsetattr: the /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* stuff tests for the executable bit and runs the file with "sh ~/.xsession" |
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| 09:55.40 | hearsay | insert hd -> switch on the rack -> mount -> copy -> umount -> switch off the rack -> remove the hd |
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| 09:55.52 | hearsay | is that correct? |
| 09:55.54 | slashme | hmm, after trying again, .xsession-errors returns, with the same message! |
| 09:56.01 | slashme | I |
| 09:56.41 | caphuso | slashme: what does 'ls -l ~/.xsession' say? |
| 09:56.44 | az[a]zel | heh |
| 09:56.50 | tcsetattr | oh, isn't that clever. my ancient memories are definitely older than "Xsession.d" :) |
| 09:57.01 | nuix | ebene: you can use fdisk to resize your partitions, then use the tool resize to change the capability of your prefered partition |
| 09:57.09 | slashme | -rw-r--r-- |
| 09:57.10 | caphuso | tcsetattr: such shit happens :) |
| 09:57.39 | ebene | nuix: thank you, im going to try |
| 09:57.43 | scooper | himm |
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| 09:58.08 | hearsay | or is ide or the kernel not made for this? |
| 09:58.14 | caphuso | slashme: ok, "rm ~/.xsession; startx" |
| 09:58.29 | coywolf | peterS: can socks+ssh implement vpn? |
| 09:58.51 | slashme | same shit. |
| 09:59.06 | peterS | coywolf: not sure |
| 09:59.23 | simonrvn | finally. and i leraned how to attach to a running process. weee :) |
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| 09:59.34 | simonrvn | too bad my typing still sucks |
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| 09:59.52 | caphuso | slashme: "same shit"? |
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| 10:00.26 | caphuso | slashme: it still tells you that "~/.xsession: permission denied"? |
| 10:00.33 | scooper | himmm |
| 10:00.42 | nuix | <ebene> : sorry, the tool's name is resize2fs |
| 10:00.43 | slashme | Still bombs out shortly after the grey screen, and creates a new .xsession-errors that says .xsession: no such file or directory. |
| 10:00.46 | narff | coywolf: ssh enables you to secure a tunnel not whole network line vpn dose |
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| 10:00.57 | scooper | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc instead of mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdc1 is not good.... |
| 10:00.58 | slashme | Yep. |
| 10:01.02 | caphuso | slashme: ok, what did you break in /etc/X11/? |
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| 10:01.13 | simonrvn | my guess exactly |
| 10:01.22 | slashme | oops, not "permission denied", now "no such file or directory". |
| 10:01.24 | slashme | INteresting. |
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| 10:01.28 | omer | can you givethe name of radio prorrams which i can use in debian |
| 10:01.30 | scooper | in my fstab should i have 1 1 at the end or 0 0 |
| 10:01.31 | simonrvn | could be startx itself too |
| 10:01.33 | slashme | OK, in /etc/X11, you say... |
| 10:01.38 | ebene | nuix: i thanks again :) i was just getting worried seeing all the sites say fdisk cant resize :) |
| 10:01.38 | slashme | nothing. |
| 10:01.43 | caphuso | slashme: wrong |
| 10:01.44 | js_ | which chipset should i prefer when i buy a new motherboard? |
| 10:01.45 | omer | apt-get install "what" |
| 10:01.51 | omer | can you givethe name of radio prorrams which i can use in debian |
| 10:01.52 | coywolf | narff: then, socks+ssh+nat should be ok |
| 10:01.54 | scooper | on the net is says use 1 1 but all my other drives have 0 0 as setup when i installed debian |
| 10:02.18 | slashme | ok, caphuso, what do you think I might have screwed up? |
| 10:02.24 | nuix | ebene: yes |
| 10:02.24 | simonrvn | omer: apt-cache search whatevr you,re looking for here |
| 10:02.30 | caphuso | slashme: ok, are you using knoppix? damn small linux? any other "based on debian" distro? |
| 10:02.38 | FrankyFourFinger | trying to set up BIND for my lan here ... I'm behind a ADSLmodem/router , currently I'm only getting connection refused when doing dns lookups |
| 10:02.44 | omer | how is the usage of cche? |
| 10:02.49 | omer | cache? |
| 10:02.55 | nuix | ebene: you should follow steps below: |
| 10:02.56 | simonrvn | omer: man apt-cache |
| 10:02.58 | slashme | Yes, knoppix-hdinstall. I guess I get crucified at this point? |
| 10:02.59 | narff | coywolf: what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:03.04 | simonrvn | slashme: yup |
| 10:03.05 | slashme | for being in the wrong channel? |
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| 10:03.30 | simonrvn | ...and wasting our time |
| 10:03.32 | caphuso | i hope that was obvious enough |
| 10:03.39 | nuix | ebene: 1: use fdisk to delete the partition you want to resize |
| 10:03.41 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 10:03.53 | Phated | caphuso: Very nice. |
| 10:04.00 | ebene | nuix: 0.o.... its my "/" partion |
| 10:04.00 | streuner | hehe |
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| 10:05.43 | nuix | ebene: 2: use fdisk to new a partition with the same start point of the deleted partition |
| 10:06.50 | nuix | ebene: 3: change the size of the new partition which should be larger than the deleted partition |
| 10:07.10 | ebene | nuix: aah k, so it will just rewrite the partitiion, but not delete all my data? |
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| 10:07.43 | bertbob | or, you could just make a new partition out of your free space and mount it on / where needed |
| 10:08.06 | nuix | ebene: 4: then , save the table information and exit but dont reboot, or you will lose all of your data |
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| 10:09.17 | nuix | ebene: 5: the last step : use the tool resize2fs to resume your data in the deleted partition |
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| 10:09.37 | amorphix | Is anyone familiar with software RAID-5 arrays? I'm trying to figure out if the "dirty" flag in the status of the array.. am I write in thinking this is normal for a working array, and the array would only show as clean in a static state or if you stopped and restarted the array? |
| 10:09.39 | nuix | you will not lose data |
| 10:09.54 | nuix | but the partition is resized |
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| 10:10.05 | amorphix | excuse my typos |
| 10:10.14 | ebene | nuix: im going to give it a shot, thank you very much for your time and effort :D |
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| 10:10.40 | Crasp | ebene: backup important data.. just incase something goes wrong |
| 10:10.49 | ebene | Crasp: i just did, thx :) |
| 10:10.59 | Crasp | ebene: i also did this trick and it worked.. but if you get a power failure you won't be very happy :) |
| 10:11.01 | nuix | the tool resize2fs is in the package e2fsprogs of debian in which there are info in detail , good luck, |
| 10:11.17 | scooper | if i fdisk and then format, but i forgot to reboot in between, am i going to have a problem |
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| 10:11.25 | ebene | hehehe, yikes /me doesnt wanna think about that happening |
| 10:11.51 | nuix | just change the partition info but no format |
| 10:12.19 | nuix | if you format the partition or reboot , you will lose all you have |
| 10:12.23 | Crasp | consider using cfdisk instead of fdisk |
| 10:12.27 | Crasp | a bit more userfriendly :) |
| 10:12.50 | nuix | thanks :) |
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| 10:13.45 | scooper | it seems to be working ok |
| 10:13.50 | scooper | but should i trust it? |
| 10:14.33 | PerfDave | Trust nothing ;) |
| 10:14.47 | amorphix | and no-one :P |
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| 10:15.16 | scooper | so i should re-fdisk, re-boot then re-format ? |
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| 10:15.19 | scooper | :\ |
| 10:15.34 | amorphix | Is anyone familiar with software RAID-5 arrays? I'm trying to figure out the "dirty" flag in the status of the array.. am I correct in thinking this is normal for a working array, and the array would only show as clean in a static state or if you stopped and restarted the array? |
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| 10:16.34 | nuix | you can get details in that package, i tried it and it works fine, or this package will not be allowed to package in debian, do u agree |
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| 10:17.00 | Crasp | freiser: try not to irc as root |
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| 10:17.25 | _frank | how can i make fsck run on all my harddrives every time i start my computer? |
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| 10:18.07 | rich_ | Thanks everyone, thanks p* :) see you in about an hour probably |
| 10:18.12 | Di42lo | if i have iptables script..can i run it on every distro ? i mean i'v script i wrote for red-hat...and im moving to debian..it will work there ? |
| 10:18.34 | scooper | himm |
| 10:18.37 | freiser | Hello I want to set up linuxlogo to display at boot time, with the boot messages scrolling beneath it. How can I do that? |
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| 10:19.32 | omer | how can i install php, mysql phpmyadmin to my compute |
| 10:19.33 | omer | r |
| 10:19.43 | omer | in debian with apt-get install* |
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| 10:20.01 | amorphix | omer: u just answered your own question |
| 10:20.07 | Di42lo | yeah lol |
| 10:20.13 | omer | apt-get install php |
| 10:20.16 | omer | i wrote but |
| 10:20.27 | amorphix | add 4 or 5 to the end of php for version u want |
| 10:20.31 | omer | it didnt get |
| 10:20.40 | amorphix | ie php4 |
| 10:20.42 | Di42lo | maybe there is some versions and he dont know which to get |
| 10:21.10 | bertbob | frank, you could give the -F switch to shutdown, or edit /etc/inittab to include it in ctl-alt-del |
| 10:21.45 | amorphix | omer: for mysql, do apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 10:26.51 | choclo | I am currently configuring the network for a debian's installation. I am been asking "name server addresses" is this equal to DNS in windows? |
| 10:27.24 | PerfDave | choclo: Yes |
| 10:27.25 | simonrvn | pretty much |
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| 10:28.21 | amorphix | Anyone know what the "dirty" flag in soft raid array refers to? |
| 10:28.45 | _frank | how can i make squid cache *.deb-files? |
| 10:28.47 | amorphix | I'm thinking it's normal for a working array? |
| 10:29.04 | tchino | how can I delete packages in /var/cache/apt/archives that has nothing to do with the sarge-packages |
| 10:29.10 | scooper | rm |
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| 10:29.16 | simonrvn | amorphix: read the HWTO already. i told you this yesterday |
| 10:29.27 | amorphix | simonrvn: already did, yesterday |
| 10:29.39 | simonrvn | good, read it again |
| 10:29.56 | amorphix | would be a pointless exercise since it doesnt explain what the dirty flag means |
| 10:30.12 | tchino | scooper: hoho, i mean to delete all packages without sarge |
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| 10:30.26 | amorphix | isnt it |
| 10:30.51 | tchino | scooper: i have to do a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge |
| 10:30.51 | PerfDave | tchino: man apt-get, look at clean and autoclean? |
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| 10:31.15 | marcst | Di42lo: dunno if you're still there, but i think probably yes |
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| 10:31.25 | Di42lo | marcst ok |
| 10:31.28 | simonrvn | amorphix: the newer one does. there's 2 of them, the version 2 one does i think. (i could be remembering wrong though) |
| 10:31.45 | marcst | Di42lo: best thing to do is just try it, if it's just iptables commands, it should work, assuming you have the same iptables support in y our kernel as on rh |
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| 10:32.37 | Di42lo | marcst i know...but there is some commands that talk to some directorys and im not sure there is the same directorys in debian |
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| 10:32.59 | marcst | Di42lo: ok that sort of thing probably will need tweaking |
| 10:33.00 | |ALLANON| | hi |
| 10:33.16 | Di42lo | marcst yes |
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| 10:35.14 | amorphix | simonrvn: thanks, maybe it's in old one im reading the updated version 1.1 |
| 10:36.00 | scooper | if i fdisk and then format, but i forgot to reboot in between, am i going to have a problem? |
| 10:36.01 | hearsay | while installing sarge I've chosen kde and kdm with tasksel, but it was gdm, that was installed |
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| 10:36.37 | hearsay | I changed it to kdm, and now entering X takes several minutes |
| 10:36.53 | hearsay | what can that be? |
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| 10:38.05 | simonrvn | hearsay: does running fc-cache -vf help speed it up? (restart kdm after you run the fc-cache) |
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| 10:44.03 | scooper | arggg |
| 10:44.12 | scooper | just wiped my freevo cache |
| 10:44.15 | scooper | ..... |
| 10:44.26 | scooper | will take an hour to regenerate :( |
| 10:44.36 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 10:45.01 | FrankyFourFinger | How do I prevent /sbin/dhclient-2.2.x from adjusting /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 10:45.20 | scooper | 212 folders to cache all over samba :( |
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| 10:46.21 | mst | whats freevo? |
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| 10:47.05 | caphuso | mst: freevo.sf.net |
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| 10:48.16 | tapas | hi, when installing the kde metapackage i get an error on kontact-plugins. it tries to install a file which is already installed by the kontact package.. |
| 10:48.20 | tapas | should i file a bug report? |
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| 10:49.26 | caphuso | tapas: do you want to look like an idiot? |
| 10:49.57 | PerfDave | tapas: Have you checked the BTS to see whether somebody has already done so? |
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| 10:51.09 | Supaplex | I have a few files under cvs. is there anyway to revert a file to the previous revision? if so, how? (I'd also like a diff for safe keeping, to study the changes) |
| 10:51.35 | Supaplex | the cvs man page has some references to -r, but I don't see how they apply for this situation |
| 10:51.39 | tapas | PerfDave: nope, will do |
| 10:51.44 | PerfDave | Supaplex: http://www.cvshome.org/ should have the manual for CVS available online. |
| 10:51.53 | tapas | caphuso: no, please fo, ok? |
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| 10:52.32 | scooper | if i fdisk and then format, but i forgot to reboot in between, am i going to have a problem? ;p |
| 10:52.34 | caphuso | tapas: then don't file a bug. people who do that without looking if someone else already did it look very dumb |
| 10:52.52 | PerfDave | tapas: Somebody's already filed it, I think (assuming it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268892 ). Filing bugs is commendable, but duplicating them isn't ;) |
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| 10:53.14 | tapas | caphuso: you might have missed what i said. i'll spell it out to you: "fuck off" |
| 10:53.19 | tapas | PerfDave: thanks for the info |
| 10:53.40 | caphuso | !bts |
| 10:53.41 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:53.54 | caphuso | time for some shooting |
| 10:55.53 | nono31 | do you guys know www.alacartejava.com ? is it serious? |
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| 10:56.32 | _cd_ | i resized my boot partition. Now it doesn't boot and says "crc error".. How can I solve this? |
| 10:57.50 | coywolf | Crasp: what protocol tinc based on? |
| 10:58.20 | Crasp | coywolf: own protocol |
| 10:58.29 | Crasp | coywolf: it uses udp or tcp, depending on your needs |
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| 10:59.04 | coywolf | Crasp: i mean the protocols like ipsec, pptp, l2f ... |
| 10:59.15 | Crasp | it doesn't use either of those |
| 10:59.46 | Crasp | it uses an udp connection for the tunnel and encrypts the data with openssl/pgp |
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| 10:59.49 | coywolf | Crasp: its protocol doesn't have a name or in some RFC? |
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| 11:00.56 | Crasp | coywolf: it has lots of great other features as well |
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| 11:03.15 | Crasp | coywolf: and it's fairly easy to set up |
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| 11:09.06 | omer | after install kdn and gdm |
| 11:09.09 | omer | gdm |
| 11:09.21 | omer | i havn't logined as root yet? |
| 11:09.29 | FrankyFourFinger | when using BIND, does /etc/hosts still has any meaning ? |
| 11:09.39 | omer | how can i login as root |
| 11:09.51 | omer | in session window |
| 11:09.59 | amorphix | omer: type su |
| 11:10.15 | omer | i enter root |
| 11:10.27 | amorphix | omer: u need a crash course in Linux system commands, i thought I was bad! |
| 11:10.42 | simonrvn | you don't login as root into x |
| 11:10.47 | omer | how can i uninstall kdm |
| 11:10.52 | simonrvn | su to root after |
| 11:10.53 | omer | kdm |
| 11:10.59 | FrankyFourFinger | he's in a login manager, login as root is normally not done |
| 11:11.08 | simonrvn | omer: man apt-get look for remove |
| 11:11.15 | omer | i enter root and password but |
| 11:11.24 | omer | session windoww come again |
| 11:11.30 | amorphix | omer: dont login as root to X |
| 11:11.43 | simonrvn | omer: you don't login as root to X. for your own security |
| 11:11.57 | amorphix | omer: open a shell in X and switch to root there |
| 11:12.40 | simonrvn | besides me |
| 11:13.01 | amorphix | i wish i knew all the unix commands |
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| 11:13.26 | simonrvn | learn them, like everyone else is doing ;) |
| 11:13.36 | amorphix | i learn a few more every day ;-) |
| 11:13.41 | caphuso | chances are that you don't need all of them anyways |
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| 11:14.16 | simonrvn | FrankyFourFinger: depends on your set up. default is hosts bind in /etc/network/options, as well as for /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 11:14.32 | simonrvn | caphuso: yeh |
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| 11:14.44 | Guerin | chalk another one up to korean drivers |
| 11:14.51 | Guerin | wrote off another car today |
| 11:15.05 | simonrvn | what kind of driver? oh that kind |
| 11:15.07 | sussudio | Guerin: bunnies? |
| 11:15.22 | Guerin | sussudio: nope. Can't pin this one on the bunnies. |
| 11:15.24 | caphuso | i can't remember having to use ci in at least 4 years |
| 11:15.32 | schelm | HiO, i am looking for a prog that displays images with bash, like ascii-art... which program can do this for me? |
| 11:15.42 | scooper | gif2ansi |
| 11:15.43 | caphuso | "images with bash"? |
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| 11:15.50 | sussudio | Guerin: it might have been bored by your phonelines and started with brakelines. |
| 11:16.08 | Guerin | this one was some guy hanging a u-turn in front of me on a 4-lane road in torrential rain |
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| 11:16.19 | simonrvn | .... |
| 11:16.32 | simonrvn | kaouete: forgot the caca in front :P |
| 11:16.34 | Guerin | everyone's alive, he took full responsibility and his insurance is buying me another car |
| 11:16.46 | simonrvn | good to hear |
| 11:16.49 | Guerin | which is kinda good in a way, since the old one gave me notthing but trouble |
| 11:16.51 | kaouete | simonrvn: lol@yah! |
| 11:17.05 | Guerin | i'm going to go and get drunk now |
| 11:17.20 | detlef | since i updated my systhem 2 weeks ago every kde-aplication needs more than 10 minutes (Konqueror,kterm ...) or i need to start it 2 times, i'm using debian 30 r2 , what can i do ? |
| 11:17.30 | Guerin | kterm? |
| 11:17.44 | simonrvn | konsole i guess |
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| 11:17.51 | Guerin | detlef: upgrade to testing |
| 11:18.01 | Guerin | err |
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| 11:18.11 | Guerin | don't listen to me, I'm delusional |
| 11:18.13 | Phated | kterm? Heh. |
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| 11:18.23 | Phated | Guerin: Looks like you're drunk already. :D |
| 11:19.01 | Guerin | Phated: no, the adrenaline's just wearing off |
| 11:19.10 | Phated | Guerin: Adrenaline from what? |
| 11:19.10 | detlef | Guerin: I like a real stabel system! |
| 11:19.24 | Guerin | fucking koreans at the hospital wanteed to give me morphine |
| 11:19.27 | choclo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.27 | choclo | <choclo> it says: IRQ routing conflict for 00:07.5, have irq 5, want irq 11 |
| 11:19.27 | choclo | <choclo> IRQ routing conflict for 00:0d.5, have irq 5, want irq 11 |
| 11:19.27 | choclo | <choclo> PCI: Shring IRQ 11 with 00:11.0 |
| 11:19.27 | choclo | <choclo> Yenta ISA IRQ mask 0x0218, PCI irq 10 |
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| 11:19.29 | Guerin | I have a bruised wrist ffs |
| 11:19.33 | Phated | Guerin: Dear me... The backscroll looks interesting. |
| 11:19.37 | Phated | Heh. |
| 11:19.46 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: ouchies. |
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| 11:20.22 | Guerin | they gave my wife one, but she's got some decent bruising on her chest and shoulder |
| 11:20.42 | Phated | Guerin: Ouchies. She OK now? |
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| 11:21.31 | Guerin | Phated: yeah, she's tough as anything. The worst bit was being stuck in the freezing cold in wet clothes for 5 hours fucking around with insurance and police and hospitals |
| 11:21.55 | Phated | Guerin: Ouch. But cool that you guys are OK. |
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| 11:22.13 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: yeah get here some good painkillers. I had the same thing when I wrecked my car last year. In a couple of days she'll be in some serious pain |
| 11:22.25 | Guerin | ah, that's not good |
| 11:22.41 | corpix | whats up in here ? |
| 11:22.48 | sussudio | Guerin: any ice weasels show up? |
| 11:22.54 | simonrvn | usually ^ that way |
| 11:22.57 | Guerin | sussudio: not that I saw. |
| 11:23.23 | amorphix | Guerin: good to hear you're ok, cud of been nasty by the sounds of it |
| 11:23.34 | Guerin | i'm fucking astounded that we are ok actually |
| 11:23.55 | suzzi | hay all what is the best way to install perl modules in debian? should i use CPAN? or are most modules deb'ed? |
| 11:23.56 | Guerin | all the cans of food we had in the boot are ruptured, and the car was a tootal writeoff |
| 11:24.08 | simonrvn | suzzi: a lot are |
| 11:24.15 | Phated | Guerin: Whoa. Sheer luck, it sounds like. |
| 11:24.17 | caphuso | suzzi: some are available through apt-get, for the rest use dh-make-perl |
| 11:24.18 | simonrvn | suzzi: debianised i mean |
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| 11:25.46 | scarynetworkguy | yeah very lucky |
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| 11:26.27 | kaouete | is there a date fixed for the 'stabilisation' of sarge ? |
| 11:26.35 | ph0t3k | hahaha, never. |
| 11:26.37 | caphuso | kaouete: /msg dpkg wir |
| 11:26.38 | kaouete | :> |
| 11:26.41 | kaouete | ok, thx |
| 11:26.49 | ph0t3k | just use testing. |
| 11:27.06 | ph0t3k | it will keep you up on the game. |
| 11:27.11 | ph0t3k | automatically... |
| 11:27.12 | kaouete | ph0t3k: it's not the problem, i just want to know that :] |
| 11:27.21 | kaouete | caphuso: krkrkr ok :] |
| 11:27.24 | ph0t3k | hahaha :) i see... |
| 11:27.46 | ph0t3k | actually, i just reinstalled testing on my laptop. and got wireless and a bunch of other junk working tonight |
| 11:27.46 | kaouete | i like SIYH |
| 11:27.50 | PerfDave | It's the Phated and Guerin show! ;) |
| 11:27.52 | suzzi | simonrvn: thanks |
| 11:27.52 | ph0t3k | SIYH? |
| 11:27.57 | kaouete | hoho, i use sid on my desktop box :) |
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| 11:28.03 | suzzi | simonrvn: aptitude here i come =) |
| 11:28.06 | kaouete | ph0t3k: /msg dpkg siyh |
| 11:28.10 | simonrvn | heh |
| 11:28.12 | Phated | PerfDave: Funny, very funny. |
| 11:28.22 | PerfDave | suzzi: many Perl modules are packaged as libsomething-perl |
| 11:28.23 | ph0t3k | what is siyh? |
| 11:28.31 | PerfDave | Phated: My mum called me up drunk from .sg about an hour ago. |
| 11:28.38 | caphuso | ph0t3k: /msg dpkg siyh |
| 11:28.44 | Phated | PerfDave: You're kidding. Need me to pick her up? :) |
| 11:28.44 | kaouete | :> |
| 11:28.48 | FrankyFourFinger | .sg ? |
| 11:28.54 | caphuso | singapore |
| 11:28.55 | PerfDave | Phated: She's on an overnight stop there on her way back from .au |
| 11:29.09 | ph0t3k | no such package. |
| 11:29.09 | Phated | PerfDave: Cool. |
| 11:29.16 | PerfDave | Apparently her and my Dad are sat on the beach drinking beer. |
| 11:29.28 | FrankyFourFinger | kewl |
| 11:29.32 | Phated | PerfDave: Heh. Which beach, East Coast? |
| 11:29.33 | caphuso | dpkg: tell ph0t3k -about siyh |
| 11:29.40 | Phated | Singapore is not "kewl". :| |
| 11:29.42 | scarynetworkguy | heh cool |
| 11:29.46 | sussudio | PerfDave: it's only a matter of time before the mydaus meliceps find them. |
| 11:29.51 | suzzi | PerfDave: yaaa |
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| 11:30.27 | Phated | THERE ARE NO MYDAUS MELICEPS IN SINGAPORE! |
| 11:30.28 | ph0t3k | damn stupid irc acronymns |
| 11:30.30 | PerfDave | Phated: No idea :/ |
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| 11:30.35 | ph0t3k | RTFM ph0t3k, RTFM! |
| 11:30.38 | sussudio | Phated: that's what they want you to think. |
| 11:30.39 | KarlosII | !info freeciv experimental |
| 11:31.02 | KarlosII | !info freeciv-gtk experimental |
| 11:31.14 | ph0t3k | anyone know of any good audio production and compilation software for linux? |
| 11:31.17 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: I bet Phated thinks there are no black helicopters in .sg either |
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| 11:31.27 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: or iceweasels. |
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| 11:31.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hey. I own the black helicopters, what do you mean I don't think there are those? |
| 11:31.40 | Phated | Hmph. |
| 11:31.46 | ph0t3k | i use a thing called Live by www.ableton.com in windows... but i am looking for something similar in linux |
| 11:31.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: outstanding :D |
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| 11:31.59 | itom | hiall, I try to install a mail server stand alone with postfix; here you can find my main.cf and log: http://www.tommasovitale.it/my/wiki/index.php?pagename=Main.ConfigurarePostfix |
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| 11:32.22 | PerfDave | ph0t3k: What does this "Live" software do? |
| 11:32.29 | scarynetworkguy | I've been getting beat like a red headed step child tonight |
| 11:32.33 | oskie | how do you enable amd64 architecture for the linux kernel? |
| 11:32.36 | ph0t3k | allows live production of audio. |
| 11:32.38 | oskie | when compiling it i mean |
| 11:32.40 | sussudio | Phated: i have lemon pie too. |
| 11:32.41 | PerfDave | ph0t3k: Or rather, what are you looking for in a software? |
| 11:32.42 | Phated | oskie: When you compile? |
| 11:32.44 | Phated | sussudio: Ooooo. |
| 11:32.48 | oskie | Phated: yeah |
| 11:32.55 | sussudio | and salted cashews. |
| 11:33.03 | Phated | oskie: Go into the menuconfig and look around for architecture... |
| 11:33.04 | PerfDave | ph0t3k: You might want to check out http://www.agnula.org/ (IIRC) and the DeMuDi project there for audio stuff on Debian. |
| 11:33.06 | Phated | sussudio: Bleh. |
| 11:33.08 | ph0t3k | well compilation of music... ever eard of reason? |
| 11:33.11 | caphuso | oskie: uh, same way you enable any architecture? |
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| 11:33.36 | oskie | caphuso, Phated: it's not in there. only cpu family. |
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| 11:33.45 | Phated | oskie: Errr... YEAH, that's it... |
| 11:33.46 | Inner^ | that's better.. |
| 11:33.49 | sh0wer | hi all! |
| 11:33.50 | Inner^ | bloomin' root |
| 11:33.51 | ph0t3k | thx davie |
| 11:33.54 | Phated | caphuso: We should give up. |
| 11:33.58 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Oh, hello. |
| 11:34.38 | PerfDave | Gah, I should get off my arse and have a shower. Need to get dressed up in my new suit :/ |
| 11:34.42 | dondelelcaro | ph0t3k: are you looking for a sequencer or a synthesizer? |
| 11:34.49 | oskie | i've compiled a kernel with cpu family Operton/Athlon64/Hammer/K8, but uname -m still prints i686. it should print x86_64 or amd64 |
| 11:34.55 | Phated | PerfDave: Hahahahahahahaha. Have fun at the wedding. Was it a wedding? |
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| 11:34.59 | ph0t3k | both. |
| 11:35.02 | Inner^ | hi is there a, .deb driver for gf4-440se that I can download for xfree86.. ? |
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| 11:35.08 | dondelelcaro | ph0t3k: there are many examples of both available for Debian at various levels of decency. |
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| 11:35.24 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: nice suit? |
| 11:35.30 | ph0t3k | i heard about a project where they were gearing an entire linux distro toward audio production. |
| 11:35.34 | ph0t3k | called dyne something? |
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| 11:35.42 | dondelelcaro | ph0t3k: the best ones are usually separate. Find a sequencer that you like (there are about 4-5 extant) and then use whatever synths you like. |
| 11:35.46 | Phated | PerfDave: What kind of suit? |
| 11:35.51 | PerfDave | Phated: It's the reception for a wedding, rather than the wedding itself. |
| 11:35.56 | Phated | PerfDave: Ahh. |
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| 11:36.10 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: It's quite a natty grey pinstripe number. |
| 11:36.21 | dondelelcaro | ph0t3k: Debian works just fine for audio work with no tweaking. If you're doing live performances, it's a slightly different matter, and you'll have to do some custom kernel compilation... |
| 11:36.21 | PerfDave | Inner^: Look at nvidia-kernel-src. |
| 11:36.22 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: nice nice |
| 11:36.26 | PerfDave | Inner^: Look at nvidia-kernel-source even |
| 11:36.40 | ph0t3k | yeah... i have had a lot of experience with it. |
| 11:36.46 | Inner^ | PerfDave : does it have to be compiled ? |
| 11:36.54 | ph0t3k | web radio streaming... www.wlcv.net for radio stations. |
| 11:36.54 | Phated | PerfDave: Oooo, grey pinstripe. |
| 11:37.02 | ph0t3k | live production during DJ sets. |
| 11:37.04 | ph0t3k | tons of stuff. |
| 11:37.08 | PerfDave | ph0t3k: That entire Linux distro is the Agnula thing I pointed out, but you can just install the packages on an existing Debian system. |
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| 11:37.20 | dondelelcaro | ph0t3k: streaming is a totally separate problem then live, minimal delay audio work. |
| 11:37.20 | ph0t3k | mmmmmm.... |
| 11:39.26 | ph0t3k | oh i know. |
| 11:39.26 | MyNameIsChris | Okay, thanks to your help earlier. I have Debian running on my old Thinkpad but when I start KDM it starts in some ridculously low resolution and when I change the resolution in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 nothing changes |
| 11:39.26 | MyNameIsChris | thanks |
| 11:39.26 | ph0t3k | just saying i have experience with it. |
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| 11:39.26 | oskie | my problem is that the kernel isn't detecting the AGPGART on this VIA K8T800Pro (amd64) motherboard |
| 11:39.26 | ph0t3k | my name is chris too! |
| 11:39.26 | ph0t3k | haha :) |
| 11:39.26 | ph0t3k | do you do any audio production? |
| 11:39.26 | PerfDave | Inner^: I think there may be a way to use a precompiled thing, but using the kernel source is the way I'm familiar with and seems to work very easily. |
| 11:39.26 | MyNameIsChris | Coolies |
| 11:39.27 | oskie | but support for AGPGART on VIA K8T800Pro is only in amd64 version of the linux kernel |
| 11:39.27 | PerfDave | My name is Dave. |
| 11:39.27 | ph0t3k | ha! |
| 11:39.28 | MyNameIsChris | My brother is Dave |
| 11:39.28 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: YOU'RE NOT MY BROTHERRRRR!!!! |
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| 11:39.28 | Piggy | my name is Dreadpirate Piggeh. |
| 11:39.28 | Guerin | My best mate is Dave |
| 11:39.28 | Phated | Yeesh. |
| 11:39.28 | MyNameIsChris | lol |
| 11:39.28 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: is he heavy? |
| 11:39.28 | NotVeryNice | evening |
| 11:39.28 | Guerin | and he lives in the UK too |
| 11:39.28 | Phated | NotVeryNice: Dear me... Where you at? |
| 11:39.28 | ph0t3k | whoa, that agnula distro has some cool programs. |
| 11:39.28 | Phated | We have someone greeting people in the right time... :D |
| 11:39.28 | NotVeryNice | australia, Phated |
| 11:39.28 | PerfDave | Guerin: Gee, thanks ;) |
| 11:39.28 | Phated | NotVeryNice: Ahh, shoudl have guessed. |
| 11:39.28 | Phated | should* |
| 11:39.28 | MyNameIsChris | So, can anyone help me? |
| 11:39.28 | Inner^ | PerfDave : thanks for the info, I've just installed debian 3.0 r2 (woody) and it doesn't seam to want to run x screen goes black and then flicks back to bash, so I am asuming this is to do with my video card drivers. |
| 11:39.29 | Guerin | PerfDave: do you work for MTV? |
| 11:39.32 | PerfDave | NotVeryNice: That's OK, you'll get over it ;) |
| 11:39.32 | sussudio | ph0t3k: agnula sounds like someone who caught his testes in a door. |
| 11:39.44 | Phated | Guerin: Your best mate works for MTV? Cool. |
| 11:39.48 | Phated | sussudio: *gigggles* |
| 11:39.58 | Guerin | he does indeed |
| 11:39.59 | NotVeryNice | thanks, PerfDave - your confidence is appreciated |
| 11:40.01 | PerfDave | Inner^: Uhm, read /var/log/XFree86.0.log and use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to fix whatever error is there. |
| 11:40.05 | scarynetworkguy | ouchies |
| 11:40.10 | ph0t3k | hahaha |
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| 11:40.16 | werdna2 | inner, sounds like the problem inm having, except mine complains of no screens found |
| 11:40.19 | corpix | fglrx: i got only 1300FPS with glxgears, thats a little bit low for ati9600, can anybody help ? |
| 11:40.31 | PerfDave | Inner^: You shouldn't need to compile the propriatery nVidia drivers just to use X - use the Free "nv" driver. |
| 11:40.35 | Inner^ | werdna2 : funny that.. I noticed that in the log |
| 11:40.40 | caphuso | corpix: make the window smaller |
| 11:40.42 | choclo | I stucked during debian installation. Actually the system is supposed to reboot. But during rebooting it stucked |
| 11:40.46 | PerfDave | Guerin: Hmm, I drink a lot in the pub opposite the MTV building in Camden. |
| 11:40.54 | corpix | caphuso, thanks, this helped ! |
| 11:40.54 | The_Vulture | PerfDave: depends which sort of nvidia device he's using.. as I understand it anyway |
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| 11:41.00 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and see that you have the proper resolutions listed. Then check the log to see why they aren't being used if they really are selected. |
| 11:41.05 | corpix | caphuso, ... |
| 11:41.06 | Phated | PerfDave: WHICH MEANS YOU WORK THERE! |
| 11:41.11 | caphuso | corpix: i know that it does |
| 11:41.17 | Guerin | PerfDave: haha, you might know him then. |
| 11:41.20 | dondelelcaro | yick. MTV |
| 11:41.22 | ph0t3k | Remember everyone, vote john kerry in november!!! HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA, omg... please don't... |
| 11:41.23 | Inner^ | PerfDave : ahhhhhhhh .. now you've hit nail on head, I selected the first once, didn't know what NV was :D |
| 11:41.27 | werdna2 | perfdave - i too have a problem with X and the Nvidia using the nv drivers - im gonna check that... |
| 11:41.31 | PerfDave | The_Vulture: No, if you just want to run X you can use nv. |
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| 11:41.46 | The_Vulture | PerfDave: ah, yeah. *nods* |
| 11:41.49 | MyNameIsChris | Yeah, 640X480,800X600 and 1024X768 are listed |
| 11:42.00 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: in what order? |
| 11:42.06 | MyNameIsChris | That |
| 11:42.07 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: List them in the other order... |
| 11:42.12 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: reverse the order. |
| 11:42.13 | werdna2 | brb |
| 11:42.16 | The_Vulture | wait *thinks*.. I'm still not sure that's the case, I think NV Geforce 4 aren't supported even just in non |
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| 11:42.19 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: The first number will be used as the default res. |
| 11:42.22 | The_Vulture | accelerated X.. |
| 11:42.25 | PerfDave | !noscreensfound |
| 11:42.25 | dpkg | i heard noscreensfound is dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, read /var/log/XFree86.* and see what's wrong. No, really. READ it. I mean it. Really read it. See 'supported by'. |
| 11:42.27 | MyNameIsChris | But it starts in 320X240 |
| 11:42.39 | The_Vulture | I seem to recall having to build the non-free drivers before I could get X.. |
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| 11:42.45 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
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| 11:42.50 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: 0_0 |
| 11:42.58 | PerfDave | The_Vulture: They are in the later versions of X which have an upgraded version of the nv driver. If you're running unstable, or a backported version of X, you'll be fine. |
| 11:43.07 | The_Vulture | PerfDave: ah, right |
| 11:43.14 | PerfDave | The_Vulture: I had trouble with my GeForce FX 5200 at first, but solved it with a dist-upgrade. |
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| 11:43.34 | Inner^ | PerfDave : any idea what a bus identifier is ? |
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| 11:43.48 | PerfDave | Inner^: It's something that identifies a bus? |
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| 11:43.58 | cahoot | ph0t3k: might check out #lad |
| 11:44.00 | Inner^ | PerfDave : hehe I figured that much :D |
| 11:44.02 | PerfDave | Like the 7A, goes from Barton through Oxford out to Kidlington, and round the top of Grovelands... |
| 11:44.23 | PerfDave | Inner^: Look for lines that start with (EE), they're the ones you really need to look out for. |
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| 11:44.31 | Phated | PerfDave: Heh. |
| 11:44.55 | Inner^ | PerfDave : ooo now how did you know I had a my windows xp device print out infront of me :D |
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| 11:45.07 | NotVeryNice | I'm having problems with kde - I get a full system freeze upon logout (system responds to ping, but cannot connect to any session) |
| 11:45.21 | PerfDave | Inner^: I was talking about in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 11:45.24 | scarynetworkguy | yes yes the good old 7A |
| 11:45.33 | Maj0r | little problem: i reinstalled my debian with the debian-net-installer. upgraded to sid. compiled my kernel (2.6.8.1) with my old kernel-config (2.6.8.1). now i always get following message when i connect something via usb and it does not work: |
| 11:45.34 | Maj0r | usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using address 3 |
| 11:45.34 | Maj0r | usb 1-3: control timeout on ep0out |
| 11:45.37 | Guerin | NotVeryNice: can you shell in and kill processess? |
| 11:45.42 | Inner^ | PerfDave : oooo :D |
| 11:45.51 | NotVeryNice | Guerin, no, I cant connect to ssh or even telnet |
| 11:46.00 | Guerin | NotVeryNice: damn. |
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| 11:46.08 | Maj0r | tried to boot with "noapic", "nolapic" and "acpi=off". nothing worked |
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| 11:46.11 | PerfDave | NotVeryNice: Are you running an ssh server :) |
| 11:46.14 | NotVeryNice | yeah :/ I havent found anything in the logs to get me out |
| 11:46.18 | PerfDave | NotVeryNice: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace? |
| 11:46.21 | NotVeryNice | PerfDave, yes :p |
| 11:46.31 | ph0t3k | cahoot: thanks |
| 11:46.32 | NotVeryNice | PerfDave, ctrl-etc has no effect, nor does backspace |
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| 11:46.33 | MyNameIsChris | Still boots into the low resolution |
| 11:46.40 | werdna2 | Hey way cool !! |
| 11:46.46 | NotVeryNice | caps lock key etc has no effect eitehr |
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| 11:46.50 | werdna2 | its working now, Thanks guys! |
| 11:46.53 | NotVeryNice | tried sysreq but nothing |
| 11:46.54 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: can it switch to the higher resolutions? or is that the only resolution you have? |
| 11:47.01 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: have you checked the logs yet? |
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| 11:47.13 | MyNameIsChris | It should be able to, but kdm starts at 320X240 |
| 11:47.19 | MyNameIsChris | Yes |
| 11:47.20 | NotVeryNice | theres been others who have reported the same problem, unsure if they resolved it |
| 11:47.20 | MyNameIsChris | No errors |
| 11:47.47 | oskie | to compile the kernel for amd64 etc: make menuconfig ARCH=x86_64 |
| 11:47.55 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: there wouldn't be errors. There would be lines like: (II) MGA(0): Not using default mode "320x175" (bad mode clock/interlace/doublescan) |
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| 11:48.40 | PerfDave | NotVeryNice: What version of KDE are you running, sorry? |
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| 11:49.00 | NotVeryNice | unstable - kde 3.3 (sorry, should have mentioned that) |
| 11:49.03 | MyNameIsChris | Okay, could you please tell me how to check the log again. Sorry for my noobishness |
| 11:49.23 | PerfDave | NotVeryNice: Is there anything in the BTS? |
| 11:49.33 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 11:49.33 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: You may need to apt-get install less |
| 11:49.48 | NotVeryNice | there was a mentiopn of a similiar problem - just trying to find it now |
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| 11:51.09 | Maj0r | anyone an idea about my prolem ? |
| 11:51.13 | Maj0r | problem |
| 11:51.43 | PerfDave | Maj0r: Sounds like you've misconfigured something somewhere. Have you tried Googling for the error message? |
| 11:52.44 | Maj0r | yes. some hits in debianforum.de. "noapic" or "acpi=off" could be the solution, but not in my case |
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| 11:52.51 | NotVeryNice | can't find anything in the bts about it, a couple of posts to various newsgroups |
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| 11:53.11 | scooper | wtf.... |
| 11:53.13 | scooper | media:/home# apt-get update |
| 11:53.13 | scooper | Err ftp://ftp.nz.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 11:53.13 | scooper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:53.33 | MyNameIsChris | (--)VGA(0): Virtual size is 320X200 (pitch 320) and (**) VGA(0): Built-in mode "Generic 320X200 default mode" and (II) VGA(0): Modeline "Generic 320X200 default mode" |
| 11:53.42 | scooper | whats up with that? |
| 11:53.48 | MyNameIsChris | WHat can I do to fix that |
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| 11:54.01 | PerfDave | scooper: Maybe the nz server is down? |
| 11:55.06 | strerror | anyone recommend a proggy to convert mp3 to wav? |
| 11:55.12 | scooper | i can ping it no worries |
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| 11:55.18 | scooper | maybe overfull? :\ |
| 11:55.23 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Hang on, have you tried editing your X config by hand? |
| 11:55.29 | asg | strerror: sox |
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| 11:55.30 | scooper | some new update come out or something? |
| 11:55.37 | nailbiter | strerror: mpg321 -s mytrack.mp3 >out.wav |
| 11:55.44 | MyNameIsChris | No |
| 11:55.45 | sussudio | !tell strerror about search |
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| 11:55.58 | strerror | asg nailbiter thnaks info |
| 11:55.59 | MyNameIsChris | I just told it to you 800X600 in debconf or something |
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| 11:56.09 | MyNameIsChris | you = use |
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| 11:56.19 | strerror | sussudio: i know about search but it doesn't give me a clear answer |
| 11:56.47 | freemo | good morning debutaunts |
| 11:57.21 | scooper | himmm PerfDave, i can connect to it with ftp ok |
| 11:57.30 | coywolf | peterS: "An IPsec implementation based on the KAME (http://www.kame.net) project is included in the 2.6 Linux kernel and so will be widely available as GNU/Linux distributions change over to 2.6; in part because of this, development of the Free S/WAN project was discontinued in March 2004." |
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| 11:57.51 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: OK, just checking. Does this command give you any output? "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -q /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" |
| 11:58.06 | savio_R | Good morning. How can I join files that have been splited by "split" command? |
| 11:58.12 | pol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.14 | Guerin | savio_R: cat |
| 11:58.32 | savio_R | Guerin, thanks |
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| 11:59.06 | Inner^ | uhmm |
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| 11:59.50 | MyNameIsChris | diff: /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum: No such file or directory |
| 11:59.55 | scarynetworkguy | mmmmm cat |
| 12:00.15 | Phated | ~.- |
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| 12:00.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I'm gonna get hit again ain't I? |
| 12:01.03 | freemo | where do i set environment variables that will take effect at boot time? |
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| 12:01.11 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: ¯.- |
| 12:01.22 | *** part/#debian moouvement (~rudolf@pD95E9C50.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:01.23 | scooper | this is weird.... |
| 12:01.24 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Hmm, that's wierd... |
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| 12:01.43 | scooper | i can ftp to it fine and download files from this box |
| 12:01.59 | scooper | but from either of my debian boxes I get an error |
| 12:02.26 | scooper | firewall prob? |
| 12:02.28 | greycat | and that error is...? |
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| 12:02.38 | PerfDave | scooper: Are your debian boxes on the same network as "this box"? |
| 12:02.42 | scooper | yea |
| 12:02.47 | scooper | but this box is the firewall |
| 12:02.54 | RandomGibbon | i'm trying to install the latest kernel with |
| 12:02.58 | scooper | with wget i get the error 'Error in server response, closing control connection.' |
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| 12:03.12 | greycat | scooper: try passive-mode FTP |
| 12:03.14 | PerfDave | scooper: Try using http instead of ftp? |
| 12:03.18 | RandomGibbon | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 but it says its not found, why isn't it working :) |
| 12:03.18 | greycat | or http, yes. |
| 12:03.18 | scooper | with apt-get update i get 'Server closed the connection' |
| 12:03.24 | MyNameIsChris | Should I give up? |
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| 12:03.38 | kzar | whats the name of that new M$ thingy, that lets you manage users passwords and stuff |
| 12:03.43 | kzar | cant remember the name of the thing |
| 12:03.44 | scooper | but on this box i can connect with ftp no probs and download the same file |
| 12:03.46 | PerfDave | RandomGibbon: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 12:03.51 | scarynetworkguy | MyNameIsChris: yes yes you should |
| 12:03.54 | greycat | kzar: activedirectory>? |
| 12:03.56 | scooper | greycat passive mode... ? |
| 12:03.56 | Nurbs | kzar: MMC? |
| 12:04.00 | greycat | scooper: good lord. |
| 12:04.01 | kzar | thatss the 1 greycat |
| 12:04.07 | kzar | thanks |
| 12:04.11 | Nurbs | "new" is relative :) |
| 12:04.11 | greycat | scooper: USE HTTP. |
| 12:04.13 | MyNameIsChris | Oh well. I really wanted Linux on this machine |
| 12:04.28 | Inner^ | hi all, do I need to update xfree86 beond that which is provided with (woody) 3.0 r2 to gain support for my GF4-440 |
| 12:04.30 | RandomGibbon | PerfDave: hmm it says the latest is 2.6.7, thats not right is it |
| 12:04.45 | RandomGibbon | is my mirror outdated or something |
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| 12:04.57 | Nurbs | Inner^: you can use the binary nvidia drivers, which also gives you 3d acceleration |
| 12:05.00 | scooper | greycat yes i could do that, but now i am perplexed, why has ftp suddenly stopped working? |
| 12:05.07 | greycat | scooper: because FTP SUCKS DONKEY SHIT. |
| 12:05.09 | Nurbs | Inner^: possibly more crashes for free, too :) |
| 12:05.17 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: No, there should be a way to fix this. Use "less /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" and make sure that it's got the 800x600 settings you specified in dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 12:05.22 | Inner^ | Nurbs : :( |
| 12:05.25 | greycat | scooper: you're inside a NAT, and you're probably in active mode, which means the SERVER tries to open a connection BACK TO THE CLIENT. |
| 12:05.30 | PerfDave | Inner^: What errors are you getting in your X log? |
| 12:05.41 | scooper | greycat ahh ok, so i need to allow this ont he firewall |
| 12:05.45 | Nurbs | Inner^: just use them :) |
| 12:05.50 | Nurbs | Inner^: it's not that bad ;) |
| 12:05.51 | scooper | it used to work fine eh... |
| 12:05.55 | greycat | scooper: Google. Much Google. |
| 12:06.00 | Inner^ | PrefDave: No Devices detected & no screens found |
| 12:06.08 | PerfDave | scooper: FTP is a PITA to deal with with NAT firewalls, though it should be possible to have the firewall snoop on FTP data connections and do some cleverness. But using http is easier. |
| 12:06.30 | PerfDave | Inner^: OK, what *else* does it say? All that means is that it can't set up a display. |
| 12:06.33 | greycat | PerfDave: OpenBSD uses an FTP proxy and redirects the packets to it. |
| 12:06.52 | greycat | PerfDave: Linux 2.2 with ipchains has a special ftp module in the kernel that does packet mangling. Not sure about 2.4/iptables. |
| 12:07.03 | scooper | PerfDave until yesterday this was working fine... winXP SP2 seems to have screwed it up... |
| 12:07.08 | MyNameIsChris | Yeah, 800X600 and 640X480 are there |
| 12:07.21 | PerfDave | scooper: You're running XP on your firewall? |
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| 12:07.26 | PerfDave | greycat: FreeBSD and Linux I think both sniff the control connection to automatically do port forwards. |
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| 12:07.30 | Inner^ | PrefDave: umm other than unknown chip set there isn't much more to go on. |
| 12:07.33 | RandomGibbon | should i use smp kernel if i have hyper threading? |
| 12:07.49 | greycat | RandomGibbon: won't hurt... |
| 12:07.53 | RandomGibbon | ok :) |
| 12:07.57 | scarynetworkguy | that;s the best idea I've ever heard |
| 12:08.06 | scooper | PerfDave kind of, XP is my desktop, it has the ADSL and shares this with the rest of the network |
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| 12:08.10 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: "XP on firewall"? |
| 12:08.12 | PerfDave | Inner^: Paste the "unknown chipset" error to #flood |
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| 12:08.23 | mrdeath | hi all |
| 12:08.24 | PerfDave | scooper: No wonder you're having problems then ;) |
| 12:08.25 | savio_R | Guerin, I tried this but don't work: cat -v file1 file2 file3 filename |
| 12:08.35 | mojonat | PerfDave: If you open ports on your FW for FTP, don't forget to open both the data and the control channel... ;-) |
| 12:08.36 | valdyn | this is it for kernel 2.6: ip_nat_ftp.ko |
| 12:08.37 | scooper | the firewall is the new XP SP2 one |
| 12:08.51 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: <sarcasm> Yeah </sarcasm> |
| 12:08.53 | Inner^ | PrefDave: hehe I would.. but erm.. I'm using bitchx at the moment, I don't have copy/paste :D |
| 12:08.57 | MyNameIsChris | Under Section "Screen" it has 800X600 and 640X480 for all depths |
| 12:08.59 | PerfDave | scooper: No wonder you're having problems then ;) |
| 12:09.01 | mrdeath | is there any way to get working ACPI and Fn hotkeys on dell latitude c640 with 2.6.8.1 kernel? |
| 12:09.19 | mrdeath | maybe somebody get it works? |
| 12:09.20 | PerfDave | Inner^: use screen, ctrl-[ and ctrl-] ? |
| 12:09.29 | PerfDave | Or rather, ctrl-A [ and ctrl-A ] |
| 12:09.35 | kvn | Has anyone who is running sid noticed that ssh-agent no longer starts up for them automatically? |
| 12:09.44 | asg | mrdeath: I've used xbindkeys to map some fn hotkeys (i.e. mute, volume, etc) |
| 12:09.51 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: OK, so it's not a problem with debconf then. |
| 12:10.02 | asg | mrdeath: ACPI on dells goes from crap to really in the toilet |
| 12:10.04 | greycat | !tell kvn about yesorno |
| 12:10.06 | MyNameIsChris | Btw, thanks for helping me |
| 12:10.07 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: In which case, there must be something in the X log which hints as to why it can't use 800x600 |
| 12:10.20 | kvn | By automatically, I mean through kdm or whatever. |
| 12:10.33 | MyNameIsChris | I posted the only things that mentioned resolution. Did you see them? |
| 12:10.35 | scarynetworkguy | god just when I thought I had plumbed the depths of stupid |
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| 12:10.49 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: "it's stupid all the way down" |
| 12:10.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: ssh-agent and kdm, eh? :) |
| 12:10.53 | PerfDave | kvn: Are you running unstable? |
| 12:10.53 | werdna2 | hi again ppl, quick question.. |
| 12:11.17 | werdna2 | arts is working if i startX as root, but as a user there is no sound |
| 12:11.17 | kvn | PerfDave: Yep. |
| 12:11.17 | MyNameIsChris | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.17 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Where did you paste them? |
| 12:11.26 | Phated | werdna2: Add yourself to the audio group, log out and back in. |
| 12:11.30 | Inner^ | PrefDave: don't have that luxury either :( .. |
| 12:11.31 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: yes yes it is |
| 12:11.36 | werdna2 | thanks.. |
| 12:11.36 | werdna2 | brb |
| 12:11.40 | PerfDave | Inner^: Why not? |
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| 12:11.52 | MyNameIsChris | In an above message |
| 12:11.57 | Inner^ | PerfDave : I've utterly no idea :D |
| 12:12.00 | MyNameIsChris | Anyway, they were: |
| 12:12.02 | MyNameIsChris | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.05 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: In #flood, if you please. :) |
| 12:12.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: that too. But scooper running XP on his firewall trumps that |
| 12:12.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 12:12.24 | mrdeath | asg: :( my notebook can't awake from sleep too :( do you solve this feature? |
| 12:12.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahh. |
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| 12:12.33 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: and not only that... he uses it as his desktop at the same time. |
| 12:12.34 | kvn | I'll note that I don't see why my issue is stupid since A) it used to work just fine and B) it magically stopped working probably after some upgrade. |
| 12:12.35 | Inner^ | PrefDave: BrookTree is also an unknown chipset |
| 12:12.37 | asg | mrdeath: try acpi.sourceforge.net |
| 12:12.42 | mrdeath | ok |
| 12:12.45 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Is it possible that you're using a "generic VGA" driver for X which doesn't support resolutions greater than 320x200 rather than one for your graphics card? |
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| 12:12.56 | asg | mrdeath: you are likely not going to be able to get it to work. You're best solution is to attempt to use suspend to disk |
| 12:12.57 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Phated I don't know if I should laugh or cry |
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| 12:13.04 | MyNameIsChris | I am using a generic VGA driver |
| 12:13.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Laugh away, my good man. |
| 12:13.10 | MyNameIsChris | Do you want me to change it |
| 12:13.18 | PerfDave | kvn: It's stupid because you're running unstable, and things in unstable *do* stop working randomly. |
| 12:13.18 | mrdeath | asg: and whats about apm? |
| 12:13.25 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: I think that may be the cause of your problem. |
| 12:13.28 | asg | mrdeath: newer dells don't have APM support |
| 12:13.29 | mrdeath | asg: is it works correctly with it? |
| 12:13.36 | mrdeath | shit |
| 12:13.40 | kvn | PerfDave: So why is it stupid to ask what caused it? |
| 12:13.41 | MyNameIsChris | I don't know what GPU this has, it's my dad's old Thinkpad |
| 12:13.41 | mrdeath | ok |
| 12:13.44 | mrdeath | thanks |
| 12:13.45 | asg | mrdeath: if yours does, use it (but a d640 probably doesn't) |
| 12:13.46 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah I'm not the one who is going to get it with the old lead pipe :) |
| 12:13.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactly. |
| 12:14.05 | greycat | dpkg, qotd56 is <PerfDave> scooper: You're running XP on your firewall? <scooper> PerfDave kind of, XP is my desktop, it has the ADSL and shares this with the rest of the network |
| 12:14.05 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 12:14.06 | PerfDave | kvn: Have you looked on the BTS? |
| 12:14.15 | asg | hehe |
| 12:14.25 | greycat | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/55/55|56/ |
| 12:14.25 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 12:14.31 | mrdeath | asg: ok. i check it with my c640 |
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| 12:14.44 | asg | mrdeath: ah, okay |
| 12:14.45 | freemo | is there a way i can make it so whenever i get to the login screen it clears the screen before asking for the login? |
| 12:14.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 12:14.58 | mrdeath | at tuxmobile site a read that it apm must works on this book |
| 12:15.01 | mrdeath | asg: |
| 12:15.04 | MyNameIsChris | Should I pick one of the i### drivers |
| 12:15.04 | asg | freemo: echo 'clear' > ~/.bash_logout |
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| 12:15.09 | mrdeath | asg: thanks for help |
| 12:15.14 | PerfDave | freemo: You mean when you've already been loged in? |
| 12:15.18 | asg | mrdeath: oh, cool. APM support in dells is pretty good |
| 12:15.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 12:15.23 | freemo | PerfDave, no anytime. |
| 12:15.24 | Puppster | hey folks, i just installed gdm, but it seems to ignore my .bash_profile when i log in with it. how do I get it to run my profile? |
| 12:15.24 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Pick the one appropriate for your graphics card. |
| 12:15.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 12:15.35 | greycat | Puppster: login on the text console instead of gdm. |
| 12:15.44 | MyNameIsChris | I don't know the card, it's my Dad's old Thinkpad and he tossed the documentation |
| 12:15.45 | freemo | asg, that wont do it.. i remeber when i tried doing it int he past there were certain situations where it wouldnt clear the screen first |
| 12:15.52 | Phated | Puppster: Errrr... gdm has NOTHING to do with bash... |
| 12:15.56 | scooper | greycat how is that a good quote? lol |
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| 12:16.05 | Puppster | i just need the environment variables and path settings out of my profile |
| 12:16.08 | asg | freemo: that will always work if you are using bash and logging out. |
| 12:16.08 | kvn | PerfDave: Ah, there is finally a bug report on it. No solution, of course. |
| 12:16.10 | Phated | greycat: It should have been an flw. |
| 12:16.10 | sjtu | Any use docarc? I installed in under debian sid and can connect to docarc database with: mysql docarc -u docarc --password=docarc, but connect it via localhost/docarc in mozilla then jump window to enter password, the password didn't work. I have commit skip networking in /etc/mysql/my.cnf? |
| 12:16.11 | freemo | i remeber i had to edit the file that dictated what is dont when the login is asked for. to tell it to clear the screen before it prints out its login request |
| 12:16.16 | scooper | its a perfectly logical setup |
| 12:16.22 | MyNameIsChris | What if I just pick one? |
| 12:16.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: hey now if we ever need a XP machine we know where to look |
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| 12:16.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 12:16.43 | freemo | asg, yes, but it wont clear the screen after startup and wont clear the screen when i use other shells |
| 12:16.44 | Phated | MyNameIsChris: Oh, BRILLIANT idea! </sarcasm> |
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| 12:16.55 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Then it probably won't work. |
| 12:17.05 | MyNameIsChris | I'll try |
| 12:17.15 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: If you use lspci, it will tell you what PCI devices it can see, which should tell you what graphics adapter you have. |
| 12:17.21 | scooper | 99% of my computer use is on XP, why on earth would i not have this as my main box |
| 12:17.25 | freemo | i recall the best way to do it was to edit the file that dictates what is printed to the screenwhen the login is asked for. but i cant remeber what file that was, or what to add to make it clear the screen |
| 12:17.25 | asg | freemo: a) make an init.d script that runs last to clear the screen on boot. b) figure out how other shells support .logout |
| 12:17.31 | Phated | PerfDave: Pick one at random? (Laugh/Cry) |
| 12:17.37 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: There's also a command called dmidecode, which will give you information like this from the BIOS. |
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| 12:17.56 | MyNameIsChris | Oh, I should've read that before I picked one and rebooted |
| 12:18.07 | scarynetworkguy | scooper: you mean aside from the being owned in 20 minutes? |
| 12:18.17 | MyNameIsChris | If it doesn't work, I'll try that |
| 12:18.17 | freemo | asg, well do you know what file im refering to? i belive that would be the most graceful way to do it. |
| 12:18.18 | PerfDave | scooper: No reason not to have it on your main box, but having it as a firewall is a very silly idea. |
| 12:18.20 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: 20? The hax0rs are getting slow. |
| 12:18.24 | scooper | whos going to own me |
| 12:18.27 | PerfDave | !tell MyNameIsChris about reboot |
| 12:18.30 | greycat | scooper: Everyone. |
| 12:18.33 | scooper | lol |
| 12:18.38 | kvn | People aren't sitting there ready to own you. |
| 12:18.40 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: You can just log in to the console and type "startx" to try running X again. |
| 12:18.42 | kvn | It's automatic. |
| 12:18.54 | asg | freemo: no, I don't |
| 12:18.56 | MyNameIsChris | I'm new to Linux |
| 12:19.01 | syd | Hi :-) |
| 12:19.04 | scooper | if you can own my XP in a way which wouldnt own any other OS then ill send you $100 |
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| 12:19.18 | freemo | asg, well thank you for your help |
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| 12:19.25 | freemo | /etc/issue maybe? |
| 12:19.29 | syd | I' have problem with gcc in sarge |
| 12:19.34 | MyNameIsChris | dmidecode: command not found |
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| 12:19.38 | PerfDave | scooper: If we can own your XP box, we'll just sniff your credit card number and send ourselves $100 ;) |
| 12:19.39 | MyNameIsChris | Would it tell me in Bios |
| 12:19.46 | scooper | PerfDave lol |
| 12:19.50 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: We need a security rant, STAT! |
| 12:19.55 | kvn | scooper: They are referencing a recent article written that puts the average time-to-compromise of a brand new XP machine that is hooked up to the network at 20 minutes. |
| 12:20.05 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah well that was before SP2 it's most likely down to ~10 these days |
| 12:20.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: working on it. :D |
| 12:20.27 | syd | it' s installed (gcc) but not found .. |
| 12:20.31 | kvn | Of course that implies that the XP machine is not behind a firewall. |
| 12:20.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, yeah. :) |
| 12:20.34 | asg | syd: install build-essential |
| 12:20.38 | greycat | !tell syd about errors |
| 12:20.40 | scooper | kvn, so if they take longer than 20 mins I guess we can conclude that they are 'below average' .... |
| 12:20.46 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: You'll need to install the ipmi-control package to use dmidecode, and to be running as root. |
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| 12:20.52 | funb0y | how to delete a character in vi ? |
| 12:20.55 | greycat | funb0y: x |
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| 12:21.07 | kvn | scooper: It's not people doing the hacking, it's automatic worms and scripts doing it. Hence the speed. |
| 12:21.07 | Phated | funb0y: Backspace while in insert mode? :) |
| 12:21.08 | funb0y | thx |
| 12:21.09 | PerfDave | funb0y: In insert mode, backspace. In command mode, x |
| 12:21.15 | greycat | scooper: I'd rant at you for stupidity, but you're already in auto-LART mode, so there's no point. |
| 12:21.17 | asg | Phated: :p |
| 12:21.21 | syd | well.. |
| 12:21.21 | kvn | scooper: And you can't really conclude anything since the Internet is burstable. |
| 12:21.23 | Phated | asg: Hm? |
| 12:21.23 | sjtu | Any use docarc? I installed in under debian sid and can connect to docarc database with: mysql docarc -u docarc --password=docarc, but connect it via localhost/docarc in mozilla then jump window to enter password, the password didn't work. I have commit skip networking in /etc/mysql/my.cnf? |
| 12:21.25 | funb0y | Phated, no that didn't work |
| 12:21.26 | kvn | bursty rather. |
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| 12:21.30 | Phated | funb0y: Yes it does... |
| 12:21.33 | asg | Phated: Bksp in insert mode? |
| 12:21.35 | asg | Phated: hehe |
| 12:21.39 | Phated | asg: YES... |
| 12:21.45 | syd | when I tried to launch script for mai modem usb |
| 12:21.47 | Phated | :D |
| 12:22.01 | syd | search for gccc... |
| 12:22.01 | PerfDave | scooper: You might want to consider using one of your Linux machines to share your ADSL connection to your other Linux machine and your XP desktop. It'll probably be more secure and you wouldn't get any problems with this FTP stuff :) |
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| 12:22.11 | scooper | greycat you have still failed to give me even one reason why this setup is stupid |
| 12:22.14 | syd | and tell me that not installed :-( |
| 12:22.15 | Guerin | syd: did you install build-essential yet? |
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| 12:22.31 | syd | but gcc is in my /usr/bin.. |
| 12:22.44 | asg | syd: install build-essential now |
| 12:22.48 | kvn | scooper: Because XP is known to be insecure. Microsoft even admits this by saying that they will start "focusing on security." |
| 12:22.48 | syd | yes..from cd 114 Mb |
| 12:22.49 | greycat | syd: you haven't yet coughed up an ACTUAL error message. |
| 12:23.02 | greycat | scooper: http://www.internetweek.com/breakingNews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=29106061 |
| 12:23.05 | scooper | the only reason i can think of is that i ftp isnt working from inside my network |
| 12:23.09 | scooper | :D |
| 12:23.16 | scooper | kvn, hence SP2 |
| 12:23.26 | asg | !laugh at ftp on greycat's behalf |
| 12:23.26 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! ftp on greycat's behalf just cracks me up! |
| 12:23.36 | MyNameIsChris | This machine has a crappy BIOS |
| 12:23.37 | scarynetworkguy | scooper: yeah it takes an average of 20 minutes for a cloud facing XP box to be owned. You really should stick a real OS between that box and the cloud. And yes XP has *many* remote holes. and no "internet connection sharing" is *not* a firewall |
| 12:23.41 | kvn | The reason FTP doesn't work from inside your network is because you need a firewall that can handle connection tracking and munging of the FTP stream. |
| 12:23.47 | MyNameIsChris | Video Card - 2.2.20 |
| 12:23.50 | Guerin | scooper: the only thing that pwns more people than laziness is overconfidence. |
| 12:24.08 | Guerin | scooper: you appear to be afflicted by both. |
| 12:24.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: "Internet connection sharing"... Gateway? |
| 12:24.09 | kvn | Guerin: I think I saw that in a fortune cookie. |
| 12:24.17 | syd | please...install build-essential? How?...I'.m newbie :-)) |
| 12:24.25 | Douwd | scooper: it *is* sp2, it's the new "enhanced" firewall that blocks active connections |
| 12:24.26 | greycat | syd: apt-get install build-essential |
| 12:24.26 | The_Vulture | Phated: NATing, yes |
| 12:24.27 | scooper | kvn, yeah well it worked fine before i installed SP2, so i figure some new firewall bollocks is blocking it |
| 12:24.28 | PerfDave | scooper: Every time that Microsoft brings out a new SP or operating system, they say it'll make their OS secure. And five minutes later they're proved wrong. I'd be a lot happier having an OS with a good security reputation facing the Internet than one with a terrible one. |
| 12:24.28 | MyNameIsChris | WHat driver would you pick for an old IBM Thinkpad, if you had to guess |
| 12:24.29 | Phated | syd: apt-get install build-essential... |
| 12:24.29 | Guerin | kvn: you should pay attention to your fortune cookies. |
| 12:24.34 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Have you tried lspci? |
| 12:24.34 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah I hate myself for knowing this but that's the MS term for NATing |
| 12:24.36 | Phated | The_Vulture: Thank you. |
| 12:24.38 | syd | eh eh.. |
| 12:24.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
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| 12:24.41 | greycat | !FAQsmite syd |
| 12:24.42 | dpkg | syd: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:24.43 | syd | thanks a lot.. |
| 12:24.47 | MyNameIsChris | Explain |
| 12:24.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: indeed indeed |
| 12:24.51 | kvn | scooper: Probably. Consult Microsoft's support for the answers. |
| 12:24.53 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: I used to do that with win98 and a dial up connection :) |
| 12:24.57 | Douwd | scooper: if you really want to keep your setup like this you better use some 3rd party firewall |
| 12:25.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 12:25.05 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture: I'm sure you did :D |
| 12:25.07 | The_Vulture | ph33r the bandwidth.. |
| 12:25.07 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: The lspci command will scan your PCI bus and may give you information on your graphics card. |
| 12:25.14 | syd | sorry :-) |
| 12:25.15 | MyNameIsChris | It's a laptop |
| 12:25.18 | scooper | Guerin seriously man, i am not concerned about anyone owning my XP desktop... |
| 12:25.27 | MyNameIsChris | Yes |
| 12:25.27 | Guerin | scooper: you should be. |
| 12:25.28 | Douwd | scooper: but it's way easier and better to use your linux machine for i |
| 12:25.29 | MyNameIsChris | Thankyou |
| 12:25.32 | scooper | why |
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| 12:25.36 | MyNameIsChris | Silicon Motion |
| 12:25.38 | kvn | Because it will start relaying spam |
| 12:25.43 | kvn | or attacking website |
| 12:25.44 | kvn | s |
| 12:25.46 | The_Vulture | scooper: yeah well all the other people that get attacked when your system becomes part of some script kiddies botnet will care |
| 12:25.46 | scooper | anyone who has the ability doesnt have the reason |
| 12:25.59 | PerfDave | scooper: Yeah, but people like me get concerned, because we have to deal with the problem when people like you get their XP desktop owned. |
| 12:26.00 | Guerin | scooper: and with an attitude like that, you'll get nothing but scorn and anger from those of us who don't want to rcieve goat pr0n spam from your comprimised box. |
| 12:26.04 | scarynetworkguy | security focus needs a better search enging |
| 12:26.11 | scarynetworkguy | scooper: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/19/infected_in20_minutes/ |
| 12:26.14 | Guerin | scooper: you, sir, are a fucktard. |
| 12:26.15 | scooper | my box has never been compromised |
| 12:26.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: We need "knocking facts into hard heads" mode ON, now. |
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| 12:26.21 | The_Vulture | scooper: not true, lots of people have the ability to use lame automated tools, and the reason they'd do it is because they are young teenagers with a bent for destruction, and showing off |
| 12:26.22 | scarynetworkguy | but El Reg will take care of us |
| 12:26.22 | Guerin | scooper: famous last words. |
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| 12:26.28 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: and you'd know that how? |
| 12:26.29 | PerfDave | scooper: You've got a machine with an internet connection, that's as much reason as you need. |
| 12:26.35 | Phated | Guerin: Shall I? |
| 12:26.37 | The_Vulture | s/ scarynetworkguy/ scooper/ |
| 12:26.44 | Guerin | Phated: be my guest. |
| 12:26.47 | PerfDave | scooper: How do you KNOW your box has never been compromised? Do you run good, proven IDS? |
| 12:26.51 | Phated | Guerin: Thank you. |
| 12:26.57 | kvn | PerfDave: SP2, duh. |
| 12:26.58 | The_Vulture | bah, two chars should be enough for any tab completion |
| 12:27.06 | werdna2 | you guys should get paid for this support... |
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| 12:27.10 | Phated | dpkg, flw10 is <scooper> my box has never been compromised |
| 12:27.10 | dpkg | ...but flw10 is already something else... |
| 12:27.12 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Not sure what driver that needs, try googling for '"silicon motion" linux' |
| 12:27.14 | scooper | anyway this seems like a long way from my inital issue |
| 12:27.15 | Phated | dpkg, flw11 is <scooper> my box has never been compromised |
| 12:27.15 | dpkg | ...but flw11 is already something else... |
| 12:27.19 | scarynetworkguy | scooper: no you don't know that you have been owned you most likely damn well have been. :) |
| 12:27.19 | PerfDave | kvn: Does SP2 include good, proven IDS? |
| 12:27.20 | Guerin | kvn: sp2 has an IDS built in? |
| 12:27.23 | Phated | dpkg, flw12 is <scooper> my box has never been compromised |
| 12:27.23 | dpkg | ...but flw12 is already something else... |
| 12:27.24 | Guerin | Phated: try 20 |
| 12:27.29 | Phated | dpkg, flw20 is <scooper> my box has never been compromised |
| 12:27.29 | dpkg | okay, Phated |
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| 12:27.30 | kvn | PerfDave: I was being sarcastic. |
| 12:27.36 | PerfDave | Phated: Train the bot in /msg ;p |
| 12:27.38 | kvn | PerfDave: It's scooper's answer to everything. |
| 12:27.38 | Phated | Guerin: You're kidding. :D |
| 12:27.40 | Phated | PerfDave: :P |
| 12:27.44 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: no such beast but that's another arguemnt |
| 12:27.46 | MyNameIsChris | Yes! Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou |
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| 12:27.54 | MyNameIsChris | This is brilliant |
| 12:27.58 | MyNameIsChris | Thankyou so much |
| 12:27.59 | kvn | Guerin: See Perfdave response ;) |
| 12:27.59 | Phated | Yeesh. |
| 12:28.04 | Guerin | kvn: aye :) |
| 12:28.08 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Didn't you say that you were running on a laptop? |
| 12:28.14 | MyNameIsChris | Yes |
| 12:28.27 | MyNameIsChris | This is awesome |
| 12:28.35 | PerfDave | MyNameIsChris: Try googling for the laptop brand name, or look on linux-laptop.net, or on the debian-laptop mailing list. |
| 12:28.41 | MyNameIsChris | No, it works |
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| 12:28.52 | MyNameIsChris | The video card was silicon motion |
| 12:28.52 | MyNameIsChris | lspci told me |
