| 00:00.23 | valdyn_ | callie: now thats weird , i wouldnt know if those packages are bugged - but proceed with tutorial anyway, it should cover compiling etc |
| 00:00.23 | inner | xeron : windows xp has been running flawlessly for 18month, I seriously doubt there is anything wrong with the hardware, the OS maybe.. that I'd doubt |
| 00:00.28 | Kerr | iptables -A INPUT -s 219.140.166.19 -j DROP ? |
| 00:00.29 | xeron | Kerr- since you got even that much wrong I would recommend you reread... there's quite a bit there, I'm sure you didn't read it all |
| 00:00.41 | Guerin | inner: if you use a sane filesystem like ext3, virtually the only thing which will cause corruption of the kind you specify is hardware failure. |
| 00:00.42 | *** join/#debian rox (~rox@tm.213.143.79.69.dc.telemach.net) |
| 00:00.43 | Kerr | -f is fragments. i pasted and edited the wrong example |
| 00:00.46 | Kerr | O.o |
| 00:00.47 | callie | valdyn_, but i shouldnt have to compile should i? |
| 00:00.52 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 00:00.57 | xeron | inner- alright... then your fs was probably not damaged... you might come out of this and go "crap, I did change that, didn't I?" |
| 00:01.00 | skywolf | I have a problem with dselect, dpkg, et. al. foo.1.2.10.deb is installed, and I need foo.1.2.8. I built and installed foo.1.2.8 from source, but can't get rid of foo.1.2.10. |
| 00:01.01 | inner | Guerin : ext2 |
| 00:01.20 | valdyn_ | callie: correct, have you checked the bts for your alsa-modules package? |
| 00:01.36 | abrotman | skywolf: first of all .. snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:01.38 | skywolf | but some other stuff I'm installing from source needs foo.1.2.8, and the 1.2.10.deb is keeping it from building |
| 00:02.02 | inner | xeron : nope didn't change a thing, just 1 reboot and xfree refused to boot |
| 00:02.03 | T_VoiD | kerr: yes |
| 00:02.09 | Kerr | thanks |
| 00:02.20 | Guerin | inner: same applies, except that the lack of journalling means you have to take more care of your filesystem. |
| 00:02.27 | callie | valdyn_, bts? |
| 00:02.44 | valdyn_ | callie: bug tracking system on www.debian.org |
| 00:02.48 | Guerin | inner: and if you didn't take care of it ... then you oughtn't be using old filesystems which require such care. |
| 00:02.55 | inner | Guerin : how do I take more care when the software I didn't write crashes and forces a hard reboot what then huh ? |
| 00:03.01 | Kerr | do you know ho i could find out who is hiding behind the proxy found at 219.140.166.19 ? |
| 00:03.10 | Kerr | how^ |
| 00:03.16 | Guerin | inner: you check your fileesystem after the boot. Simple. |
| 00:03.40 | inner | Guerin : what manually !.. I thought that happen automatically |
| 00:03.44 | sysfault | Guerin: had a good sleep? |
| 00:03.51 | Kerr | I Only made my ip public on this channel, ##linux, and #linuxhelp on undernet.. |
| 00:04.05 | Kerr | well, the fact that i had no firewall running, anyhow. |
| 00:04.07 | Guerin | inner: hence "YOU habe to take care of your filesystem". |
| 00:04.15 | skywolf | abrotman: but I don't want an updated .deb package. I want to let the pkg manager know it can uninstall the package in question, since I've got a new version built from source. |
| 00:04.20 | Guerin | anyway, I have to go fight insurance demons now |
| 00:04.23 | Guerin | have fun |
| 00:04.28 | inner | Guerin : long live microsoft then. |
| 00:04.32 | sysfault | later |
| 00:04.34 | Guerin | sysfault: yeah, it was good :) |
| 00:04.44 | sysfault | good |
| 00:04.53 | *** join/#debian EUFORIA (~EUFORIA@102.Red-80-26-31.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 00:05.03 | Kerr | how can i make a suggestion for alterations to the default debian sarge sshd_config ? |
| 00:05.26 | skywolf | i read somewhere there's a way to manually update dpkg's files so it knows about a new program installed from source, but I can't find the reference |
| 00:05.37 | skywolf | does anyone know how to do it? |
| 00:05.45 | *** join/#debian holoturoide (~holoturoi@200-103-176-131.fozit7002.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 00:05.47 | Salma | skywolf , use checkinstall (??) |
| 00:05.57 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 00:06.01 | skywolf | Salma: ok |
| 00:06.07 | Salma | if you are installing from source |
| 00:06.11 | *** join/#debian carles (~carles@164.125.64.51) |
| 00:06.27 | kingsley | T_VoiD: Thanks. apt-get -qq -s install worked pretty well in a bash script. |
| 00:06.31 | *** join/#debian Ecna (~ecna@adsl-69-225-160-177.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 00:06.33 | xeron | inner- do you have a .log file in /etc/X11? |
| 00:06.39 | Kerr | the congfig had PermitRootLogin set to yes. First thing i did was change that.. but why have such a stupid default? |
| 00:06.47 | cafuego | Kerr: You could file a wishlist bug report against ssh. |
| 00:07.07 | *** join/#debian veleno (~ervalerio@213-140-6-119.fastres.net) |
| 00:07.09 | cafuego | Kerr: But allowing root to login via ssh isn't that much of an issue. |
| 00:07.15 | inner | xeron : yes.. but I don't know how I would get that to you from bitchx |
| 00:07.19 | kingsley | T_VoiD: The whole script, including comments, is only 27 lines long. |
| 00:07.47 | Kerr | cafuego: tell that to someone who hasn't just had a dictionary attack launched against them.. |
| 00:08.17 | Kerr | i wish the person who i turned hostbased authentication off for had a static ip ~.~ |
| 00:08.22 | *** join/#debian asac (~asac@c185059.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 00:08.23 | Salma | Kerr, w/ good passwords I don't think that's an issue ;) |
| 00:08.42 | Kerr | Salma: any password can be cracked. |
| 00:09.00 | Kerr | my root pass is close to 30 chars, but it isn't unbreakable. |
| 00:09.03 | cafuego | Kerr: That's not much of an issue with decent passwords. And if you're using ssh anyway, you could use key based auth. |
| 00:09.08 | freemo | how do i get back to the configuration screen that i saw when i apt-get installed an aplication? |
| 00:09.13 | *** join/#debian blue (~blue@212.145.81.70) |
| 00:09.14 | FieldySnuts | <3 ssh |
| 00:09.20 | satHan | freemo: dpkg-reconfigue <package> |
| 00:09.26 | inner | holy crap it worked |
| 00:09.27 | Salma | freemo apt-config (??) |
| 00:09.32 | inner | the dcc I mean |
| 00:09.35 | *** join/#debian Robinson (~boardingl@ool-18b88300.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:09.48 | Kerr | cafuego: I've a whole lot of learning to do.. |
| 00:10.00 | *** join/#debian toffy (~bjorn@80.203.84.236) |
| 00:10.01 | cafuego | Kerr: But I agree that at least they could make it a debconf yes/no question during install. |
| 00:10.03 | Kerr | i was going to try keybased, but the person who i'm doing this for went offline |
| 00:10.15 | *** join/#debian hoover (~jelque@adsl-68-92-77-253.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) |
| 00:10.22 | Kerr | and my shitty, shitty origon router won't let me connect to my external ip from within the lan |
| 00:10.26 | Kerr | amongst other things |
| 00:10.35 | *** join/#debian five (~fhs@pool-162-84-200-28.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:10.50 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 00:11.27 | Kerr | i paid £60 for a 5 port hub/router/adsl modem combo. Nearest i saw elsewhere was double that. |
| 00:11.28 | *** join/#debian spl0it (~spl0it@CPE0048541ad07b-CM000a735ce3ad.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:11.32 | Kerr | i guess i got what i paid for |
| 00:11.48 | freemo | sathan thanks |
| 00:12.09 | inner | xeron : thought I send you that too for good mesure |
| 00:12.23 | spl0it | sathan kdm log has lots of error, wheres that nvidia howto I want to make sure I have the write settings...... |
| 00:12.25 | Kerr | meh |
| 00:12.32 | xeron | inner - Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 00:12.40 | inner | xeron : yup |
| 00:12.43 | *** join/#debian KrOnOs[PKA] (~kronos@c-24-129-59-158.se.client2.attbi.com) |
| 00:12.55 | dub | kerr, if you are using NAT something like loopback.inter.net.nz could help |
| 00:13.04 | Kerr | i move out next week... no more router, and campus 4meg internet instead of my 512k ! I wonder if they'll block any ports on me. |
| 00:13.07 | KrOnOs[PKA] | does debian have a release that has kde 3.3 and xorg ? |
| 00:13.26 | Nurbs | no |
| 00:13.30 | FukaiMori | where can I find some screenshots of debian? |
| 00:13.42 | Nurbs | KrOnOs[PKA]: unstable has got kde 3.3, but there are no xorg packages anywhere |
| 00:13.56 | abrotman | FukaiMori: screenshots of what? |
| 00:13.57 | Nurbs | FukaiMori: it looks like every other distribution |
| 00:14.01 | inner | xeron : question is why. |
| 00:14.02 | Kerr | any idea how i would go about finding who is using the proxy located at 219.140.166.19 ? |
| 00:14.02 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 00:14.03 | dpkg | [xorg] an alternative X implementation (a fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from the X.Org Foundation - the current release is X11R6.8. It will not be packaged for Debian until after the Sarge release. At that time, Debian will probably go with the new modular packages of X.org, if it is ready, or the monolithic release if not. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040712.051027.74293658.html for more information . |
| 00:14.04 | kerpal | via-rhine II is via-rhine for modules right? |
| 00:14.07 | cafuego | FukaiMori: You can make debian look like *any* linux desktop screen shot |
| 00:14.10 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: http://images.google.com/images?q=debian%20screenshots |
| 00:14.13 | xeron | inner- alright... working on it |
| 00:14.20 | abrotman | !info kdebase sid |
| 00:14.23 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 00:14.32 | kerpal | how can i tell init has started in the logs, i can see that the rootfs for the kernel is being loaded. |
| 00:14.41 | KrOnOs[PKA] | when is sarge comming out? |
| 00:14.42 | FukaiMori | deciding whether to get gentoo or debian still, thats why I asked |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | !sarge stable |
| 00:15.50 | dpkg | Sarge will be stable when it's ready. There is still no final date, but there is a tentative release date of 2004/09/15. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/08/msg00001.html, or http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1143 |
| 00:15.50 | *** join/#debian xykatra (~xykatra-@dup-200-64-42-250.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 00:15.50 | *** part/#debian xykatra (~xykatra-@dup-200-64-42-250.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 00:15.50 | kerpal | when sarge goes stable, will i have to update my apt-sources? |
| 00:15.50 | *** join/#debian MarcN (~marc@dsl.wildcat.MV.COM) |
| 00:15.50 | Kerr | are there any plans for making sid stable this decade? |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | kerpal: what are you pointing at now? |
| 00:15.50 | kerpal | anyone have a via-rhine II here? |
| 00:15.50 | cafuego | FukaiMori: Go for Debian, much less work. You can make them look identical anyway. |
| 00:15.53 | *** join/#debian Ecna (~ecna@adsl-69-110-157-184.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 00:15.55 | FukaiMori | okay |
| 00:16.01 | deepfrze | kerpal, I use that |
| 00:16.04 | FukaiMori | I hear debian is the most popular |
| 00:16.06 | *** mode/#debian [+l 753] by debhelper |
| 00:16.12 | cafuego | Kerr: No, Sid will always be unstable. There will be a new testing once sarge is released, though. |
| 00:16.18 | Nurbs | FukaiMori: well, cafuego does good advertising |
| 00:16.21 | *** join/#debian five (~fhs@pool-162-84-200-28.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:16.34 | kerpal | deepfrze: is it just the via-rhine module? |
| 00:16.49 | deepfrze | kerpal, yes |
| 00:16.58 | cafuego | Nurbs: You don't need to do much in th way of advertising when a product is as good as debian :-) |
| 00:17.13 | Kerr | cafuego: I take it the new testing will also be named after a toy story character O.o ? |
| 00:17.18 | cafuego | Nurbs: The only people it doesn't work on is the ones who have already made up their minds and then come here to troll. |
| 00:17.19 | Nurbs | cafuego: you're doing it again *g* |
| 00:17.31 | cafuego | Kerr: Probably :-) |
| 00:17.39 | Kerr | cafuego: .... WHY!? |
| 00:17.47 | Kerr | it's alwayas bugged me.. |
| 00:17.50 | kerpal | general question: how can I tell from the logs that init has started, this remote-machines' kernel looks good aside from no-networking and i would like to make sure by knowing it is proc' init. |
| 00:17.53 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 00:17.58 | Nurbs | Kerr: yeah. I'd call it Lara |
| 00:18.00 | cafuego | Kerr: Why not? Beats the crap out of 'Longhorn' ;-) |
| 00:18.11 | *** join/#debian beowu1f (~beowulf@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp122016.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 00:18.14 | abrotman | kerpal: you want to see what has started? |
| 00:18.26 | cafuego | Anyway, lets see how we go with Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 for Workgroups first. |
| 00:18.42 | Nurbs | oh... |
| 00:18.45 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: we'll have to hurry up and release r1 so we can have 3.1.1 |
| 00:18.46 | Nurbs | I see 3.11 coming |
| 00:18.47 | kerpal | abrotman: i have to reboot into a rescue system everytime to see what the "new" system has done, i only have logs to go by. |
| 00:18.47 | Kerr | i'd use debian whatever the name.. and i agree it's better than longhorn, but surley there are geekier names jsut screaming to be used O.o |
| 00:18.52 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: *nodnod* |
| 00:18.59 | kerpal | abrotman: this is a RH to Deb migration. |
| 00:19.02 | Nurbs | and Debian 95 after that... wait... |
| 00:19.04 | Nurbs | 2095? |
| 00:19.08 | cafuego | Kerr: But why would deb need a geeky name? |
| 00:19.10 | Nurbs | uh-oh. |
| 00:19.13 | kerpal | abrotman: almost done, but the damn networking isn't up yet. |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | kerpal: dmesg? /var/log/syslog|messages |
| 00:19.14 | spl0it | !nvidia |
| 00:19.14 | dpkg | i guess nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. |
| 00:19.16 | Kerr | dondelelcaro: |
| 00:19.18 | Kerr | err |
| 00:19.23 | spl0it | !nvidia-howto |
| 00:19.23 | inner | Kerr : sounds very biblical |
| 00:19.23 | dpkg | i heard nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". |
| 00:19.28 | Kerr | cafuego: why not? it's just a name. |
| 00:19.29 | abrotman | kerpal: do you know which driver it is? |
| 00:19.44 | kerpal | abrotman via-rhine from what im hereing. |
| 00:19.45 | Nurbs | Kerr: isn't Toy Story geeky? :) |
| 00:19.57 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: and woody, sarge, sid, bo, potato, hamm, etc. isn't geeky enough? |
| 00:20.06 | Kerr | disney movies are geeky? |
| 00:20.24 | xeron | inner- remove the nodeadkeys from your XF86Config file |
| 00:20.28 | Nurbs | Kerr: if they employ high-resolution 3D graphics, maybe ;) |
| 00:20.31 | dondelelcaro | Kerr: but calling your operating system after them? And knowing almost all of the character's names? |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | hearing |
| 00:20.35 | inner | xeron : okay |
| 00:20.38 | Kerr | lol |
| 00:20.39 | abrotman | kerpal: so use modconf to install it |
| 00:20.56 | cafuego | Nurbs: Yeah, at the current release date Debian 2095 would seem a good bet ;-) |
| 00:20.58 | Nurbs | Kerr: they probably did use NURBS, too |
| 00:20.59 | Kerr | then name debian after final fantasy characters? I know most of their names ? |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | !release history |
| 00:21.01 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-08-28), Potato(2.2; 2001-04-17[?]), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19). The next release will be Sarge. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 00:21.14 | *** join/#debian Jockel (~Jockel@kdat.de) |
| 00:21.18 | kerpal | abrotman: itried echo "modprobe via-rhine" >S1fixme /etc/init.d && ln -s /etc/init.d/S1fixme /etc/rc.3/S1fixme and i also aliased it in modconf. |
| 00:21.20 | FukaiMori | how is debian$B!-(Bs uptime? |
| 00:21.22 | *** join/#debian thomas_adam (n6tadam@host217-42-100-35.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:21.32 | *** join/#debian protoloco_ (~pimp@CableLink40-113.INTERCABLE.net) |
| 00:21.35 | cafuego | FukaiMori: How stable is it, you mean? |
| 00:21.37 | Kerr | wont there eventualy be no characters left ? |
| 00:21.41 | Nurbs | cafuego: I shall add that date to the next pool, after 3.1 r1 is out then |
| 00:21.44 | kerpal | abrotman: that is about the command we all see the syntax errors in that. |
| 00:21.48 | inner | xeron : same result |
| 00:21.57 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: that's really just a function of the kernel you run. There are installations running Debian that have thousands of days of uptime. |
| 00:22.05 | abrotman | kerpal: huh? |
| 00:22.11 | FukaiMori | mm I see |
| 00:22.16 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 00:22.17 | *** part/#debian skywolf (skywolf@user-11fb074.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 00:22.19 | Kerr | on a totaly different subject, how easy will it be for me to get my muse 5.1 soundcard working well, with debian sarge ? |
| 00:22.31 | kerpal | abrotman: i tried to put an init script to modprobe via-rhyne and log ifconfig and lsmod to a log.. yet its not executing. |
| 00:22.40 | abrotman | kerpal: that's a kernel question .. not specific to debian |
| 00:22.41 | cafuego | FukaiMori: " 10:22:13 up 205 days, 21:40, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00" <-- that's a machine sitting under my desk. |
| 00:22.52 | FukaiMori | Nice |
| 00:23.06 | abrotman | kerpal: did you setup your interfaces file? |
| 00:23.08 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: if you're running in production, there's really no other choice but Debian. If this is a desktop machine, then things become slightly less critical, and you can play around a bit. |
| 00:23.09 | kerpal | abrotman: abrotman: no its an init.d question |
| 00:23.14 | kerpal | abrotman: yes. |
| 00:23.18 | FukaiMori | hmm |
| 00:23.21 | *** join/#debian Ecna (~ecna@adsl-69-105-238-71.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 00:23.22 | abrotman | kerpal: the normal was is to load via-rhine in your /etc/modules |
| 00:23.23 | cafuego | 205 days ago I installed a new kernel, before that it had a 160 day uptime. |
| 00:23.26 | kerpal | abrotman auto lo eth0 eth0 set and dhcp |
| 00:23.32 | FukaiMori | I was kinda wanting a Desktop |
| 00:23.38 | cafuego | (also after installing and booting a new kernel) |
| 00:23.42 | kerpal | abrotman: thought its was /etc/modules.conf |
| 00:23.43 | inner | xeron : is there any other config / log files that might aid you ? |
| 00:23.46 | *** join/#debian chitiri (~mike@zf1.sntcanada.com) |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | kerpal: nope |
| 00:24.06 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: it'll do desktop too, of course... it's an excellent distribution for them as well. |
| 00:24.13 | FukaiMori | so like, how would you get a desktop on debian? |
| 00:24.23 | cafuego | FukaiMori: Yeah, it's nice & stable for the desktop too. My desktop machine doesn't have much of an uptime coz i dual-boot it with Windows, but it has *never* crashed due to debian. |
| 00:24.24 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: just install it. |
| 00:24.28 | FukaiMori | I hear when you first install it, there isnt a desktop yet, just a kernal |
| 00:24.30 | abrotman | FukaiMori: install it ... i run it on my laptop |
| 00:24.31 | FukaiMori | kernel rather |
| 00:24.51 | xeron | inner- Option "XkbRules" "xkb/xfree86" -> Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" (remove xkb/) |
| 00:24.52 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: that depends on what you install. There is a desktop task that installs almost anything you'd ever want. |
| 00:24.57 | kerpal | abrotman: well my init is executing now :) |
| 00:25.04 | FukaiMori | mm I see |
| 00:25.06 | cafuego | FukaiMori: When the initial install is done, you add the X window system and your preferred desktop environment (say Gnome or KDE or something else) |
| 00:25.13 | *** join/#debian gosper (~blah@pcp02555549pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:25.16 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: but if you know exactly what you want, you can install exactly what you want without any other stuff. |
| 00:25.17 | kerpal | from ifconfig i can see its not getting dhcp |
| 00:25.21 | abrotman | kerpal: ? |
| 00:25.21 | *** join/#debian QuaD- (~derek@beac872-0b01-dhcp160.bu.edu) |
| 00:25.24 | *** join/#debian Ecnassianer (~ecna@adsl-69-225-161-151.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 00:25.29 | FukaiMori | KDE is what I wanted |
| 00:25.40 | gosper | i'm trying to install my wireless card, i have my driver insmoded but my card wont attach it self to a network device, what i am doing wrong? |
| 00:25.42 | abrotman | kerpal: so the kernel module is in /etc/modules .. and your interfaces file is done correctly? |
| 00:25.44 | kerpal | abrotman: when i wrote an init.d script to make sure the dev got loaded, i also logged ifconfig to a file. |
| 00:25.46 | cafuego | FukaiMori: Easy then, that's all packages and waiting :-) |
| 00:25.52 | kerpal | abrotman: from the evidence nope.. |
| 00:25.55 | kerpal | abrotman, :) |
| 00:25.59 | FukaiMori | oo good X) |
| 00:26.03 | inner | xeron : same result |
| 00:26.12 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: so just aptitude install kde; [or use the desktop task, which includes kde as well as gnome.] |
| 00:26.13 | abrotman | !insmod |
| 00:26.14 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 00:26.17 | xeron | inner- log file is the same also? |
| 00:26.22 | *** join/#debian roland0 (~asdfsdfas@host-205-241-35-133.acelerate.com) |
| 00:26.24 | FukaiMori | oo I see |
| 00:26.31 | FukaiMori | I used to use mandrake, which was kinda buggy |
| 00:26.32 | inner | xeron : yup bleats the same XKB error |
| 00:26.44 | gosper | yeah |
| 00:26.46 | gosper | modprobe |
| 00:26.46 | FieldySnuts | kinda? |
| 00:26.49 | gosper | i used modprobe |
| 00:26.55 | *** join/#debian wpostma (~wpostma@HSE-Toronto-ppp300415.sympatico.ca) |
| 00:27.03 | *** join/#debian OhMyAchinLap (~OhMyAchin@acs-24-144-154-158.zoominternet.net) |
| 00:27.03 | FieldySnuts | ~abuse mandrake |
| 00:27.05 | apt | ACTION smacks mandrake across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 00:27.05 | cafuego | gosper: Did you set the correct esid and/or key? |
| 00:27.10 | FukaiMori | yea |
| 00:27.12 | FukaiMori | buggy |
| 00:27.16 | inner | ~abuse mandrake |
| 00:27.19 | apt | ACTION smacks mandrake across the face. "Take that, Bitch!" |
| 00:27.22 | gosper | cafuego, no |
| 00:27.22 | FieldySnuts | rpm based, nuff said |
| 00:27.23 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 00:27.33 | FukaiMori | rpm sux |
| 00:27.34 | cafuego | FukaiMori: Debian Sarge should be a breath of fresh air, then. |
| 00:27.41 | *** join/#debian CompWizrd (~compwiz@d57-87-27.home.cgocable.net) |
| 00:27.47 | FukaiMori | l |
| 00:27.50 | abrotman | kerpal: are you still booting off the rescue cd? |
| 00:27.54 | FukaiMori | k |
| 00:27.55 | cafuego | FukaiMori: One thing though, what video card do you have? |
| 00:27.57 | *** join/#debian Hamled (~hamled@pool-68-163-55-194.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:28.08 | FukaiMori | Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 128MB |
| 00:28.24 | FukaiMori | not AGP though |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | not agp? |
| 00:28.29 | inner | FukaiMori : what kernel are you running ? |
| 00:28.34 | abrotman | they make pci cards still? |
| 00:28.41 | *** part/#debian macmx (~mike@201.129.119.248) |
| 00:28.52 | *** join/#debian kalango (~daniel@200165034048.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 00:28.55 | cafuego | FukaiMori: You'll most likely want to get the binary-only nvidia drivers from the non-free repository then. Just keep that in mind when the installer asks about non-free and answer 'yes' at that point :-) |
| 00:28.55 | abrotman | i don't believe they sell that in pci |
| 00:29.01 | FukaiMori | None, I dont have linux right now |
| 00:29.09 | FukaiMori | I just finished uninstalling it so I could get something else |
| 00:29.10 | FieldySnuts | some of those pci cards aren't half bad, my cousin grabbed an ati 9400 (win though), performs a lot better than I expected |
| 00:29.22 | FieldySnuts | 5900FX ultra here, love it to bits |
| 00:29.23 | cafuego | abrotman: Yeah, you can buy nvidia and ati cards as pci; twice as expensive as the agp variety though |
| 00:29.24 | FukaiMori | Okay caf |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | well . why would you do that? |
| 00:29.36 | kerpal | abrotman: commiting changes.. this is rescue image via bootp server is ny |
| 00:29.41 | cafuego | abrotman: Say you hve a mainboard without AGP? |
| 00:29.50 | xeron | inner- setxkbmap -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout fr -v 10 (do that) |
| 00:29.50 | kerpal | is it via-rhine or via_rhine? |
| 00:29.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: or you only have 1 AGP socket and drive N monitors? |
| 00:29.59 | FukaiMori | I dont have AGP on my motherboard |
| 00:30.00 | cafuego | abrotman: Or maybe you want to run twin screens and only have one agp slot? |
| 00:30.10 | *** part/#debian kalango (~daniel@200165034048.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 00:30.12 | xeron | inner- or do "setxkbmap -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout fr -v 10 > xeron" and send it to me |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | cafuego: i understand why ... |
| 00:30.21 | abrotman | but how many motherboards don't have agp |
| 00:30.29 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: quite a few, actually... |
| 00:30.30 | cafuego | Mind you, you *will* need a massive cooling solution with 4 ATI cards in yer pc :-) |
| 00:30.39 | abrotman | and having a 5200 is worth running on that machine(ie ... playing games) |
| 00:30.42 | *** join/#debian spoofer (~Spoofer@186.74-136-217.adsl.skynet.be) |
| 00:30.50 | FukaiMori | mmhmm |
| 00:31.19 | FieldySnuts | servers don't exactly need agp either (4 way board won't have the room either) |
| 00:31.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that's also a server .. not playing games there |
| 00:31.34 | *** join/#debian sciboy (~cba660ea@sciboy.user) |
| 00:31.40 | deepfrze | kerpal, via-rhine |
| 00:32.01 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: that, and it has the 133MHz 64 bit PCI slots... so it's a bit out of the AGP range... |
| 00:32.05 | sciboy | Hi, i am looking into alternatives for xfree86 and i recently came pass xfbdev... Where could i download it? |
| 00:32.17 | xeron | sorry |
| 00:32.19 | xeron | layout us |
| 00:32.19 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: They don't need big F-O cgfx cards though, a 1MB Cirrus Logic will do ;-) |
| 00:32.23 | *** join/#debian JOS654 (~JOS654@70.Red-217-125-81.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 00:32.31 | *** join/#debian thomas_adam (n6tadam@host217-42-100-35.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:32.31 | xeron | inner- setxkbmap -rules xfree86 -model pc104 -layout us -v 10 |
| 00:32.59 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: true... I pretty much would stick with a matrox something if I was actually using it to do crunching... |
| 00:33.15 | greycat | dpkg, noob =~ s/<reply> see newb || // |
| 00:33.15 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 00:33.20 | thomas_adam | I have an issue with irssi -- trying to get it to autoconnect, yet eachtime it tries I get the following error: |
| 00:33.27 | thomas_adam | Woops. |
| 00:33.31 | greycat | dpkg, noob =~ s/"equiv/", or the equiv/ |
| 00:33.31 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 00:33.36 | abrotman | !sing thomas_adam |
| 00:33.36 | dpkg | thomas_adam was an IRCer, alas he is no more, for what he thought was H2O was really H2SO4 |
| 00:33.42 | *** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 00:33.47 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 00:33.47 | Kerr | does iptables -A INPUT -p portnumber -j DROP close a port? |
| 00:33.50 | inner | xeron : yeah made that change hehe :) |
| 00:34.04 | abrotman | kerpal: #iptables |
| 00:34.09 | abrotman | kerr ^^ |
| 00:34.12 | *** join/#debian c4_ (c4@host1.200-43-123.telecom.net.ar) |
| 00:34.13 | meff | anyone know how to fix mozilla's dns lookup time? it just sits there for a few seconds before doing anything each time i go to a url |
| 00:34.22 | c4_ | hi |
| 00:34.42 | xeron | inner- uhhhm... there's only 1 line in this file... there should be like 10 I think |
| 00:34.44 | meff | whereas if i use dig on an address it comes up immediately |
| 00:34.54 | xeron | inner- a lot more than 1, anyhow |
| 00:35.17 | FieldySnuts | mozilla just pulls in /etc/resolv.conf , be sure to check it |
| 00:35.27 | FieldySnuts | it also doesn't see any changes to it while open, if you changed it, restart mozilla |
| 00:35.45 | meff | FieldySnuts: its all correct.. i heard something about ipv6 slowing down its resolving time.. you know anything about that? |
| 00:35.46 | Kerr | ty |
| 00:35.46 | xeron | inner- I get 17 lines (6 are locale warnings |
| 00:35.47 | c4_ | does this shows me the first 512B (phisical) from sector 0 of my hard drive?: machine~# dd if=/dev/hda count 512 | less ? |
| 00:35.49 | inner | xeron : that's all it printed out, other than it missed saying can't open display "default display" |
| 00:35.50 | FieldySnuts | nope |
| 00:35.56 | *** join/#debian WiFiTux (~abonilla@nat-oeste-77-netra20.ice.co.cr) |
| 00:35.56 | FieldySnuts | i've run ipv6 didn't have that issue |
| 00:36.16 | *** join/#debian heeeeeeelp (~knoppix@200-147-70-167.tlm.dialuol.com.br) |
| 00:36.46 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, talking about IPv6, have you heard on where is this suppoused to be implemented? |
| 00:37.22 | FieldySnuts | it already is implimented, just a matter of it spreading |
| 00:37.34 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, that' |
| 00:37.40 | WiFiTux | s what I meant. |
| 00:37.46 | FieldySnuts | for now most peopole simply use an ipv6 over ipv4 tunnel |
| 00:37.51 | FieldySnuts | pure ipv6 wouldn't be very useful yet |
| 00:37.59 | WiFiTux | I guess 2 more years or so? maybe more. |
| 00:38.05 | FieldySnuts | more than that |
| 00:38.09 | *** join/#debian jrr (foobar@12-222-109-87.client.insightBB.com) |
| 00:38.15 | FieldySnuts | it's got a 10 year phase in time, and that's not thought to be anywhere near enough |
| 00:38.16 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, yep. More time. |
| 00:38.21 | WiFiTux | So we can all get an IP :/ |
| 00:38.53 | WiFiTux | IPv9 in china was it/ |
| 00:39.01 | WiFiTux | or the use something like that? |
| 00:39.05 | inner | xeron : pretty weird isn't it . |
| 00:39.17 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 00:39.30 | xeron | inner- Mmm... |
| 00:39.50 | xeron | inner- Baffles me why there's no output... when you run that command without the >xeron do you see more? |
| 00:40.02 | inner | no |
| 00:40.10 | kerpal | abrotman: iptables? |
| 00:40.20 | c4_ | what does: dd if /dev/hda count 512 | less returns? is what's at the beggining of the hd drive? |
| 00:40.26 | inner | xeron : other than 1 extra line, as I said before. |
| 00:40.45 | c4_ | sorry, if=! |
| 00:41.05 | xeron | inner- alright... well, since it doesn't work we'll try to reinstall xlibs... |
| 00:41.12 | xeron | inner- apt-get --reinstall --option="DPkg::Options=--force-confmiss,--force-confnew" install xlibs |
| 00:41.12 | *** join/#debian MIMIR (~MIMIR@c-65-97-17-149.va.client2.attbi.com) |
| 00:41.17 | MIMIR | lesbian |
| 00:41.20 | MIMIR | debian? |
| 00:41.27 | c4_ | MIMIR: lol |
| 00:41.49 | MIMIR | is a debian someone who worships little debbie treats? |
| 00:42.18 | greycat | not by definition, but it's permitted. |
| 00:42.28 | WiFiTux | MIMIR, how about Lesbian? it uses the same Sources and stuff? |
| 00:42.42 | MIMIR | lesbian is a lickix distro |
| 00:42.50 | MIMIR | a bit different from linux |
| 00:43.02 | c4_ | greycat: do you know that about dd? |
| 00:43.05 | WiFiTux | lickix? hmm |
| 00:43.09 | WiFiTux | !google lickix |
| 00:43.15 | *** join/#debian gnu (~gnu@CPE-24-160-245-93.wi.rr.com) |
| 00:43.16 | *** join/#debian Llamabutcher (~gnu@CPE-24-160-245-93.wi.rr.com) |
| 00:43.18 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for lickix |
| 00:43.32 | WiFiTux | dpkg, don't bullshit me! |
| 00:43.32 | dpkg | WiFiTux: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:43.34 | *** join/#debian Holborn_ (~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 00:43.34 | MIMIR | roffle-mayo |
| 00:43.41 | inner | xeron : done |
| 00:43.43 | WiFiTux | :/ |
| 00:43.45 | *** join/#debian cigabayt (~TheaTRe@218.111.65.76) |
| 00:44.05 | xeron | inner- result? |
| 00:44.08 | *** join/#debian tjs (~tjs@deepde.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 00:44.11 | inner | xeron same |
| 00:44.36 | *** part/#debian tjs (~tjs@deepde.lnk.telstra.net) |
| 00:44.50 | xeron | inner- Hmm |
| 00:45.04 | *** join/#debian bassgoon (~aaron@64.113.88.133) |
| 00:45.16 | xeron | inner- try dpkg -i --force-confmiss |
| 00:45.16 | inner | xeron : yeah very 'Hmm' |
| 00:45.18 | bassgoon | lmao http://quotes.linuxcult.com/?up=132 |
| 00:45.25 | xeron | inner- the previous should have fixed that but just for hahas |
| 00:46.01 | bassgoon | lmao http://quotes.linuxcult.com/?up=132 |
| 00:46.05 | *** mode/#debian [+l 735] by debhelper |
| 00:46.15 | *** join/#debian roland0 (~asdfsdfas@host-205-241-35-132.acelerate.com) |
| 00:46.22 | inner | xeron : dpkg needs at least one package archive |
| 00:46.26 | *** join/#debian CoNaN (~CoNaN@200.225.247.113) |
| 00:46.32 | inner | xeron : xlib ? |
| 00:46.55 | Kerr | is there any specific reason why i should leave Ports 9, 13, 37, 111, 747 open to the net; before i go and seal them off ? |
| 00:47.07 | c4_ | i distrust a man that is going to sell a HD to me. i want to know if i can see if the disk has nothing at the begining using dd something like this: dd if=/dev/hda count=1024 | less . or if that won't work? |
| 00:47.27 | inner | xeron : maybe I should update xfree86 to something above 4.1 ? |
| 00:47.41 | inner | xeron : uhmm or whatever version it is |
| 00:47.47 | *** join/#debian gnu (~gnu@CPE-24-160-245-93.wi.rr.com) |
| 00:47.47 | *** join/#debian Llamabutcher (~gnu@CPE-24-160-245-93.wi.rr.com) |
| 00:47.48 | greycat | c4_: what the fuck? just wipe the disk. |
| 00:47.59 | greycat | c4_: why would you care what's on it, unless you *want* to read that data? |
| 00:48.05 | *** join/#debian lolitaaa (AdrenaLin@WNPP-p-203-54-20-247.prem.tmns.net.au) |
| 00:48.15 | bassgoon | lmao http://quotes.linuxcult.com/?up=132 |
| 00:48.17 | c4_ | greycat: i want to see if the disk is new |
| 00:48.27 | xeron | inner- apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-base |
| 00:48.34 | *** join/#debian thomas_adam (n6tadam@host217-42-100-35.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:49.07 | kerpal | greycat can you join me in #flood real quick its 3 lines and a route question |
| 00:49.08 | xeron | inner- well, it might help, but the problem seems to most likely be some link between the config file and the keymap file... |
| 00:49.11 | citral | exit |
| 00:49.17 | xeron | inner- try reinstalling the xfonts-base package. |
| 00:49.54 | inner | xeron : same result |
| 00:49.54 | xeron | inner- if that does not work, then upgrade... the upgrade might require you to install nvidia drivers again |
| 00:50.07 | inner | xeron : how do I do that ? |
| 00:50.17 | inner | xeron : upgrade I mean |
| 00:50.40 | xeron | apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:50.42 | xeron | just do that |
| 00:50.51 | *** part/#debian bassgoon (~aaron@64.113.88.133) |
| 00:50.54 | c4_ | greycat: i don't think that this guy will make a low level format or a wipe to the disk, so if i read something that means the disk is not new, and i will not buy it. but i don't know if dd works with a not formated new disk |
| 00:51.07 | deadcat | if i want to make a live distro base on knoppix, where/what should i do? any links? |
| 00:51.09 | thomas_adam | kerpal: yessir. |
| 00:51.10 | MIMIR | OMG |
| 00:51.14 | MIMIR | NO |
| 00:51.22 | MIMIR | BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASS |
| 00:51.24 | Nurbs | deadcat: hehe, #knoppix of course |
| 00:51.27 | MIMIR | I LOST TETRIS!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:51.29 | deadcat | Nurbs: ok |
| 00:51.30 | MIMIR | :( |
| 00:51.54 | ralf-x | hahaha |
| 00:52.35 | c4_ | why are you so rude?, what? can't i be such an stupid guy? |
| 00:52.39 | *** join/#debian hachre (~hachre@dsl-082-083-211-180.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:52.47 | hachre | How can I reinstall a package including all its dependencies? |
| 00:52.51 | c4_ | 8o( |
| 00:53.06 | inner | xeron : same result |
| 00:53.25 | Nurbs | hachre: by hand? :) |
| 00:53.28 | *** join/#debian meff (~meff@adsl-68-90-189-235.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 00:53.38 | hachre | Nurbs: you're kidding |
| 00:53.44 | c4_ | hachre: a new version or the same you've installed? |
| 00:53.44 | Nurbs | am not. |
| 00:54.04 | hachre | c4_: doesnt matter really... the version i've installed is fine |
| 00:54.07 | ralf-x | heh |
| 00:54.18 | *** join/#debian spl0it (~spl0it@CPE0048541ad07b-CM000a735ce3ad.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:54.22 | hachre | c4_: something erased some libs, now dpkg thinks the libs are installed while they arent - but i dunno which ones |
| 00:54.43 | c4_ | hachre: you can reconfigure by dpkg-reconfigure package, and i think that is some option called reinstall, let me see |
| 00:54.44 | hachre | now some packages dont work anymore... |
| 00:55.20 | *** join/#debian Statuz (~Statuz@200.55.154.94) |
| 00:55.28 | c4_ | hehe |
| 00:55.56 | menteco | may you suggest a program to pause and resume downloads? |
| 00:56.12 | spl0it | can anyone help me out with my nvidia driver? its listed in lsmod, but for some reason its not working properly... theres no direct input in glxinfo, the error is... Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"..... any suggestions??? I did dpkg-reconfigure on the xfree86 settings but that didn't seem to work :( |
| 00:56.15 | meff | should i let x determine my DPI automatically or use a set one? |
| 00:56.28 | cafuego | menteco: 'wget -c uri' can be ctrl-c'd and resumed. |
| 00:56.29 | c4_ | hachre: apt-get --reistall package |
| 00:56.41 | cafuego | c4_: 'apt-get install --reinstall' |
| 00:56.57 | c4_ | cafuego: that's it |
| 00:57.01 | hachre | c4_: problem is, that doesnt include dependencies of package |
| 00:57.08 | c4_ | hachre: have u seen that? |
| 00:57.12 | hachre | yeah |
| 00:57.13 | hachre | c4_: problem is, that doesnt include dependencies of package |
| 00:57.17 | c4_ | damn! |
| 00:57.21 | hachre | ;/ |
| 00:57.42 | *** join/#debian WiFiTux (~abonilla@nat-oeste-77-netra20.ice.co.cr) |
| 00:57.51 | *** join/#debian abrotman (~abrotman@user-37kbv8t.dialup.mindspring.com) |
| 00:58.14 | *** join/#debian haYnguy (~hawaiiang@203-49.34-65.tampabay.rr.com) |
| 00:58.17 | deepfrze | hachre, apt-get install makes sure all dependencies are installed |
| 00:58.24 | haYnguy | does ndiswrapper install the drivers? |
| 00:58.35 | hachre | deepfrze: the problem is some libraries have been erased |
| 00:58.38 | CoNaN | spl0it: have you tried to get the last driver from the nvidia web page ? |
| 00:58.38 | *** join/#debian holycow (~yada@S0106002078ccd651.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 00:58.38 | *** join/#debian Ecna (~ecna@adsl-68-121-149-58.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 00:58.40 | menteco | cafuego, thanks |
| 00:58.44 | hachre | deepfrze: now dpkg thinks they are still installed why they arent |
| 00:58.50 | hachre | deepfrze: i dont know which ones though |
| 00:58.55 | deepfrze | hachre, try apt-get update, then apt-get -u upgrade |
| 00:59.05 | *** join/#debian Sinistrad (~strad@ip68-230-35-175.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:59.17 | spl0it | ya conan, I just installed the other morning... (6111 is listed in lsmod, and it loads properly on boot (dmesg) |
| 00:59.18 | *** join/#debian freemo (~freemo@h-69-3-168-75.phlapafg.covad.net) |
| 00:59.44 | c4_ | hachre: man, i'm thinking that the guyz are not keeding |
| 00:59.52 | freemo | how do i make talk work.. i got talk and talkd but when i try to talk to someone it says the party isnt accepting conenctions.. the man isnt much help and i cant find a talkd command installed anywhere |
| 00:59.54 | *** join/#debian meff (~meff@adsl-68-90-189-235.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 01:00.01 | c4_ | hachre: read the info and dpkg -r all dependences |
| 01:00.02 | wpostma | Anyone know how to configure fonts on OO 1.1.2 in Debian Sid? the fonts button in /usr/lib/openoffice/spadmin is gone in this version. |
| 01:00.04 | CoNaN | yep. the 6111. this is the one that I'm sucesssuful using at here |
| 01:00.06 | hachre | deepfrze: nothing to be upgraded |
| 01:00.12 | hachre | c4_: damn |
| 01:00.23 | *** join/#debian ClonedMule (~Henry@dialup-4.243.200.13.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net) |
| 01:00.27 | hachre | i think its the only way though.. |
| 01:00.30 | *** join/#debian badblody (~badblody@194.Red-83-34-80.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 01:00.34 | c4_ | hehe hachre, if you find the way tell me, that's a good question |
| 01:00.35 | CoNaN | spl0it: what are the errors ? |
| 01:00.36 | *** join/#debian _fishynet (fishy@adsl-218-106-188.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:00.45 | resiak | Heh, just saw that meff has A Perfect Circle lyrics for his quit message. Surely that's exactly the wrong place to show people what your musical tastes are, because they can't talk to you about them. |
| 01:00.48 | freemo | if i fdo in.talkd it just says socket oepration on non-socket |
| 01:01.10 | meff | resiak: :) |
| 01:01.37 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 01:01.37 | resiak | meff: aha, didn't see you re-join :p |
| 01:01.40 | freemo | can someone pleas help it is very important i fix this beofr ethe person leaves that i need to talk to |
| 01:01.43 | c4_ | cafuego: does dd reads if=/dev/hda even if hda is a new disk without any format (with a low level format)? |
| 01:01.48 | *** part/#debian ralf-x (~jwalker@adsl-065-013-010-167.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:01.52 | *** part/#debian ClonedMule (~Henry@dialup-4.243.200.13.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net) |
| 01:02.14 | cafuego | c4_: Yep. |
| 01:02.18 | resiak | meff: I never really saw the attraction of that particular song, but they played it when I saw them, so it must be popular... |
| 01:02.37 | *** join/#debian dewey (~dewey@c-67-168-51-181.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:02.41 | deepfrze | hachre, you may have to remove and purge the package, then do a install |
| 01:03.03 | *** join/#debian Loof (~loof@pcp02107091pcs.cstltn01.in.comcast.net) |
| 01:03.27 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 01:03.29 | c4_ | cafuego: ok, so that (dd if=/dev/hda cout=1000 | less) can be a way to see if the disk is a "new" disk? |
| 01:03.31 | Loof | So, when you install a new kernel...does it automatically create a new initrd? |
| 01:03.44 | hachre | tried that, deepfrze, didnt work :( |
| 01:03.46 | cafuego | c4_: Not really, no. |
| 01:03.49 | asg | Guerin: ? |
| 01:03.51 | hachre | im going to uninstall all dependencies |
| 01:03.53 | hachre | and reinstall manually |
| 01:03.56 | hachre | cya later |
| 01:04.15 | deepfrze | hachre, good luck |
| 01:04.18 | hachre | thanks |
| 01:04.18 | cafuego | c4_: If you want to know that, you're better off using smartctl to get some SMART log data. |
| 01:04.22 | c4_ | cafuego: i mean if none has made a sweep or a low level format before |
| 01:05.06 | cafuego | c4_: If someone is selling as used disk as new, they WILL have done a 'zero all data on drive' type thing. Unless of course they're totally retarded. |
| 01:05.10 | c4_ | cafuego: ok, i have it, and what should i search into all the info that smartctl tells me to see if the disk is new? |
| 01:05.22 | cafuego | c4_: See if there are any log entries. |
| 01:05.40 | freemo | ahh mesg :) .. is there a way i can tell if x is running.. im int hru ssh so i cant jsut ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 01:06.08 | resiak | freemo: ps aux | grep X |
| 01:06.35 | c4_ | cafuego: ok, and does any record came from manofacturer? |
| 01:08.01 | *** part/#debian MarcN (~marc@dsl.wildcat.MV.COM) |
| 01:08.43 | c4_ | cafuego: sorry to ask such a lot about this, but the guys here that sell computer stuff are so untrustworthy! |
| 01:08.45 | *** join/#debian steve (~steve@adsl-67-118-13-224.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) |
| 01:09.07 | *** join/#debian hachre (~hachre@dsl-082-083-211-180.arcor-ip.net) |
| 01:09.08 | hachre | it worked |
| 01:09.18 | c4_ | (i've found that last word in the dictionary) |
| 01:09.19 | asg | Sep 12 20:53:54 gimp kernel: version 0 swap is no longer supported. Use mkswap -v1 /dev/hda1 (swapfiles created with potato are apparently not compliant with 2.6.8.1) |
| 01:09.28 | c4_ | hachre: man!, tell me! |
| 01:09.30 | hachre | c4_, deepfrze : it worked |
| 01:09.39 | c4_ | damn! |
| 01:09.46 | deepfrze | hachre, great |
| 01:09.47 | c4_ | what the hek is that!? |
| 01:09.59 | hachre | c4_ i used apt-cache depends package to find out the dependencies, made a list of them, and used apt-get install --reinstall on the list |
| 01:10.03 | hachre | ;) |
| 01:10.10 | cafuego | c4_: Check the 'Power_On_Hours' attibute. |
| 01:10.30 | c4_ | cafuego: coll, i will |
| 01:10.52 | c4_ | hachre: wise guy! |
| 01:10.56 | cafuego | c4_: Mine have been on for 2100 hours (87 days) and have had 11 reboots. |
| 01:11.08 | cafuego | (which is in Power_Cycle_Count) |
| 01:11.34 | c4_ | damn! 87 days and only 11 reboots!, mine have more reboots than hours on! |
| 01:11.44 | hachre | lol |
| 01:11.54 | cafuego | c4_: Um, that's not a very good stat, dude :-) |
| 01:11.58 | hachre | lol |
| 01:12.10 | blue | plase, somebody know how to get thumbails of avi files in nautilus file manager? |
| 01:12.12 | cafuego | c4_: Note also that those stats are off a rackmounted hosted box. |
| 01:12.20 | *** join/#debian gnu (~gnu@CPE-24-160-245-93.wi.rr.com) |
| 01:12.21 | *** join/#debian gnu_ (~gnu@CPE-24-160-245-93.wi.rr.com) |
| 01:12.24 | hachre | Is there any definite way to find out when this system has been installed? |
| 01:12.26 | *** join/#debian agney (~bofh@agney.user) |
| 01:12.38 | c4_ | in the third world, haveing things made for the third world in the third world |
| 01:13.04 | asg | c4_: you can make computers out of corn cakes? |
| 01:13.05 | *** join/#debian gargahmel (~daniel@200-98-157-8.tlf.dialuol.com.br) |
| 01:13.16 | *** join/#debian qolume (~netwalker@adsl-62-167-94-121.adslplus.ch) |
| 01:13.24 | cafuego | c4_: The real server hasn't been rebooted in 4942 hours ;-) |
| 01:13.27 | hachre | i found a way which is correct i guess |
| 01:13.27 | c4_ | "i want to be ready, walking to babylon with my gun!" |
| 01:13.35 | hachre | ls -lh /var/log/debian-installer |
| 01:13.35 | hachre | ;) |
| 01:13.39 | asg | c4_: marley? |
| 01:13.44 | hachre | im off to bed guys |
| 01:13.45 | hachre | cya ;) |
| 01:13.57 | *** join/#debian citral (~christoph@kss9-d9bb8a4e.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 01:14.08 | *** join/#debian meff (~meff@adsl-68-90-189-235.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 01:14.32 | *** join/#debian spock_ (~spock@wbar14.chi1-4.29.101.190.chi1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 01:14.34 | *** join/#debian asdfasf (~asdfsdfas@host-205-241-35-132.acelerate.com) |
| 01:14.44 | freemo | if i have a AGP video card what do i replace PCI:1:0:0 with? |
| 01:14.47 | *** join/#debian chairuou (~cr@203.162.92.91) |
| 01:15.07 | xeron | freemo- care to venture a guess? |
| 01:15.12 | c4_ | doh!... im a "lefts man", that eats with the "right hand" (?) |
| 01:15.18 | Nurbs | freemo: you are using more than one card? |
| 01:15.25 | *** join/#debian Mine-18` (~tR@219.95.161.213) |
| 01:15.26 | freemo | xeron, AGP sop,something.. but i dont know the rest |
| 01:15.29 | Nurbs | freemo: you don't need to specify anything. or: use lspci |
| 01:15.31 | freemo | no just the one |
| 01:15.47 | freemo | Nurbs, well when i dpkg-reconfigre it makes me supply something |
| 01:15.57 | Nurbs | it doesn't afaik |
| 01:15.58 | Jamie_Z | with my debian box, im getting about 200-400 kb/s from it; it is setup for 100mbps full duplex... ive tried swapping nics, cables, and clients, and re-ordering pci devices... any suggestions on what i could try to get it fast again? |
| 01:16.09 | freemo | Nurbs, i think it thingks there are two cards |
| 01:16.14 | freemo | i dont know why |
| 01:16.17 | Nurbs | it accepts an empty string probably |
| 01:16.22 | *** join/#debian grubby (~tompfr@ool-43572f19.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:16.23 | citral | Hey that's just cool, elinks2 -g in console will launch graphic browser in framebuffer ! |
| 01:16.27 | Nurbs | but you can still check with lspci |
| 01:16.40 | cafuego | And then we have the deskstar: Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 086 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 452355687 |
| 01:17.02 | xeron | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900 Ultra] (rev a1) |
| 01:17.06 | asg | cafuego: hitatchi vibrator kernel error? |
| 01:17.07 | freemo | ok i get this error int he xfree log "no DFP detected" |
| 01:17.24 | *** join/#debian xammu (njleiej@pD9E1F9D8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:17.48 | citral | freemo: try mplayer -vo directfb foo.mpg and elinks2 -g www.debian.org |
| 01:17.55 | cafuego | asg: Well, it claims to have had a massive failure at 812 hour of operation, but has been working 100% fine since I took it out of the firewire case and popped it into a Linux box a year ago <heh> |
| 01:18.08 | asg | cafuego: haha |
| 01:18.19 | cafuego | Been on for 14465 hours now |
| 01:18.30 | *** join/#debian REds (~redskin@adsl-160-179.swiftdsl.com.au) |
| 01:19.06 | asg | cafuego: a little less than two years, not bad. What kernel version? |
| 01:19.20 | freemo | citral, ok .. one moment.. i think i may have figured it out |
| 01:19.29 | freemo | im trying to install some stuff. |
| 01:20.14 | citral | freemo: I know, I just discovered that I can watch videos and surf on the web *with* pictures without X :) |
| 01:20.23 | haYnguy | has any used ndiswrapper? |
| 01:20.53 | dan2 | asg! |
| 01:20.58 | asg | dan2: evening |
| 01:21.00 | asg | haYnguy: yes |
| 01:21.01 | *** join/#debian beowu1f (~beowulf@HSE-Sherbrooke-ppp122016.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 01:21.07 | freemo | citral, fromt he command prompt.. wow! |
| 01:21.15 | *** join/#debian X-Ray5 (~shoot@ip24-250-33-120.ri.ri.cox.net) |
| 01:21.37 | citral | my problem is when when I'm in screen, elinks don't find the framebuffer... |
| 01:21.54 | citral | links2 I mean |
| 01:22.08 | *** join/#debian bohan` (bohan@ARennes-203-1-20-119.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 01:22.36 | *** join/#debian Maliuta (nikolai@210.8.29.19) |
| 01:22.42 | X-Ray5 | Hey all, I ran out of room in my /boot disk and I'm looking to delete some old kernels can anyone help me? I'm running 2.6.5-1-686 |
| 01:22.59 | Wyzard | citral: That's because when you're in screen, standard output isn't a Linux console -- it's a pseudoterminal created by screen |
| 01:23.02 | citral | freemo: I always loved console and console apps, I am running them in X too :) |
| 01:23.22 | mwilson | X-Ray5: What does the kernel you're running have to do with deleting kernels you're not using? Seems incredibly straightforward. |
| 01:23.29 | asg | X-Ray5: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image (remove anything besides your 2.6.5-1.686 package and the backup (see /vmlinuz.old)) |
| 01:23.43 | c4_ | cafuego: Error 47009 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 1941 hours (80 days + 21 hours) |
| 01:23.47 | asg | citral: what WM do you use? |
| 01:23.48 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: Just delete the ones you're not using... delete the corresponding modules from /lib/modules too, to avoid clutter |
| 01:23.54 | cafuego | asg: The drive I mean, not the uptime :-) |
| 01:23.55 | citral | Wyzard: yes, it semms to be attached to /dev/pts/ , I think there's no other solution than opening another console |
| 01:23.55 | c4_ | ? |
| 01:24.02 | citral | asg: fluxbox |
| 01:24.04 | asg | cafuego: ahhh |
| 01:24.07 | Wyzard | citral: Probably, unfortunately |
| 01:24.11 | X-Ray5 | But guys there are alot of different ones here |
| 01:24.18 | mwilson | X-Ray5: So? |
| 01:24.19 | cafuego | c4_: So that disk has been on power for at least 80 days. |
| 01:24.19 | c4_ | cafuego: that can be because my machine has no battery? |
| 01:24.30 | *** join/#debian RossP (~Rossp@6.103.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 01:24.36 | asg | citral: too mousey, better off using ion if you like console in X :) |
| 01:24.44 | mwilson | X-Ray5: Did I ask you to /msg me? |
| 01:24.52 | RossP | Hey everyone :) |
| 01:24.55 | freemo | citral, yea i like the console too.. i wished ther was an light weight x-like system to allow you to run simple but pretty guis form int he console |
| 01:25.02 | X-Ray5 | mwilson: no |
| 01:25.08 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: From the text you just msg'ed me, you have two kernels: 2.6.5 and 2.6.7, probably installed from Debian packages |
| 01:25.12 | RossP | any PHP4/MySQL experts in channel that has a second? |
| 01:25.17 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: So just uninstall the package |
| 01:25.22 | Wyzard | RossP: #php, #mysql |
| 01:25.23 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: yeah they are |
| 01:25.24 | cafuego | c4_: Well, it *can* crash if the power fails, but I'd think it would not generally crash hard enough for a SMART log entry, |
| 01:25.24 | c4_ | cafuego, ok, so i will get this guy's tricks |
| 01:25.27 | mwilson | <snicker> He /msg'd *everyone*? |
| 01:25.30 | citral | asg: I know, but with 800x600 I find fluxbox really nice because I have a them with _really_ thin borders :) |
| 01:25.35 | RossP | Wyzard: thanks :) |
| 01:25.39 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 01:25.40 | asg | mwilson: not me, I suck :) |
| 01:25.41 | cafuego | c4_: Is it supposed to be a new drive? |
| 01:25.45 | *** part/#debian RossP (~Rossp@6.103.cm.sunflower.com) |
| 01:25.53 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: um... what do i do apt-get remove initrd.img-2.6.7-1-686 |
| 01:25.56 | citral | my english is awful today |
| 01:25.57 | Wyzard | mwilson: Probably just you and me... I've yet to see anyone msg the whole channel |
| 01:26.07 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: yes |
| 01:26.11 | c4_ | cafuego: supposed (not this, the one i'll buy) |
| 01:26.15 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: I'd suggest using "--purge" too |
| 01:26.17 | *** join/#debian wallison (wallison@cae88-80-006.sc.rr.com) |
| 01:26.21 | dimm0k | anyone get their infra-red remote control working with their audigy2 and linux? |
| 01:26.23 | asg | citral: with ion, X is like screen but with lots of bonus features :) |
| 01:26.38 | menteco | RossP: I do some PHP/Mysql, but not an expert. |
| 01:26.46 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: may i msg you? |
| 01:27.19 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: No need... ask in the channel, that way others can contribute to the discussion too |
| 01:27.25 | *** join/#debian Virusmaster (~Thomas@p5091B509.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:27.25 | X-Ray5 | kk |
| 01:27.55 | asg | dpkg kk is <reply>K.K Downing, one of the 2 guitar players in Judas Priest. |
| 01:27.55 | dpkg | ...but kk is already something else... |
| 01:27.58 | asg | bah |
| 01:28.00 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: so this is what happened i run apt-get upadate; apt-get dist-upgrade and then it stops and i do a df -h |
| 01:28.02 | asg | !kill self |
| 01:28.10 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: i see my /boot is full |
| 01:28.11 | *** join/#debian aum (~aum@port-204-54-210.fastadsl.net.nz) |
| 01:28.23 | c4_ | cafuego: and if the guy's never started the machine with the SMART enabled, the same i will "catch him with the hands in the mace"? |
| 01:28.31 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: but i think apt downloaed the newer kernel files |
| 01:28.46 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: so if i del them they will just redownload from apt |
| 01:29.18 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: You probably have a package like "kernel-image-2.6-k7" installed... it's an empty package which depends on the latest actual kernel package (currently "kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7") |
| 01:29.34 | cafuego | c4_: Well, that depends on what "catch him with the hands in the mace" means. |
| 01:29.34 | c4_ | cafuego: i mean, if SMART is not enable the disk logs the used hours anyway? |
| 01:29.41 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: so as newer kernel releases become available, that dependency changes and it automatically pulls in the new kernel |
| 01:29.42 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: what do you mean? |
| 01:29.49 | cafuego | c4_: yes, it does. |
| 01:30.04 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: sorry i dont know much about all this.. |
| 01:30.08 | cafuego | c4_: it always logs, it only reports when you enable it. |
| 01:30.08 | c4_ | cafuego: do you have a phrase something like that i've invented? |
| 01:30.25 | c4_ | COOOOL!, that thief will not scape! |
| 01:30.29 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: so i'm going to do.. apt-get remove --purge initrd.img-2.6.7-1-686 |
| 01:30.42 | mwilson | X-Ray5: What's that supposed to do? |
| 01:30.43 | X-Ray5 | and they same for all the other 2.6.7 stuff |
| 01:30.52 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: It's a common trick used in Debian packages... for example, there are several versions of Python -- python2.1, python2.2, python2.3 -- which can all be installed at the same time |
| 01:30.55 | cafuego | c4_: Note that I do *not* know how it works when a machine is unplugged for a longer period of time. |
| 01:31.04 | *** join/#debian fede2004ndg (~ndg_04@201.255.100.13) |
| 01:31.12 | *** join/#debian kawfee (~kawfee@CPE-24-166-183-254.kc.rr.com) |
| 01:31.13 | cafuego | c4_: And/or doesn't have a bios battery. |
| 01:31.30 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: okay I get that.. so what are you saying i havfe lots of kernels installed at teh same time? |
| 01:31.30 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: Then there's a package called "python" which depends (currently) on "python2.3"... so you can say "apt-get install python" and it'll get the latest version |
| 01:31.46 | c4_ | cafuego: ok, that info you've gave me was more than enough |
| 01:31.51 | *** part/#debian fede2004ndg (~ndg_04@201.255.100.13) |
| 01:32.00 | *** join/#debian cthomas (~cthomas@adsl-69-152-200-143.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) |
| 01:32.03 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: Yes... that "dummy" package causes the latest actual kernel to be installed, but it doesn't cause the old ones to be removed (because it's perfectly OK to have multiple kernels installed) |
| 01:32.04 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: cool |
| 01:32.12 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: So just remove the old ones manually |
| 01:32.22 | asg | Wyzard: it's unfortunate that the same command will not uninstall python-in-nappies, python-sucking-on-thumbs, and python-finally-gets-laid either |
| 01:32.26 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: so how can i resome this? |
| 01:32.28 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 01:32.34 | *** join/#debian smacnay (~smacnay@67.71.28.56) |
| 01:32.44 | X-Ray5 | *resolve |
| 01:32.54 | *** join/#debian findme (~findme@c-67-164-162-213.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:33.04 | Wyzard | asg: That sentence conveys no meaningful information to me except that you have some vague dislike for Python |
| 01:33.19 | c4_ | cafuego: the other parts of the machine will be tested compiling a kernel, that have allways worked to let me know problems in hardware, do you agree? |
| 01:33.25 | asg | Wyzard: nevermind |
| 01:33.47 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: um... so what should I do? |
| 01:34.02 | Ox0F0-0FF | what's a good tool to measure total bandwidth usage on eth0? (surviving reboots, monthly, weekly) |
| 01:34.04 | *** join/#debian thomas_adam (~n6tadam@host217-42-100-35.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 01:34.08 | smacnay | what is a good util to set my x root window on start of X? I am using plain X with openbox. |
| 01:34.09 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: Just uninstall the old packages. They have names like "kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7", where "k7" might be "386" or "686" depending on which variant you have installed |
| 01:34.39 | X-Ray5 | its an p3 cpu so its 686? |
| 01:34.48 | greycat | !686 |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. |
| 01:34.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | ippl |
| 01:35.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | crap |
| 01:35.13 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: but um.. why would i uninstall a _newer_ kern then the one i'm running? |
| 01:35.21 | *** join/#debian try_catch_this (trycatchth@216.110.108.47) |
| 01:35.27 | cthomas | I wonder when they'll start using 786? |
| 01:35.30 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: You're the one who installed it, not me, but 686 would be the most appropriate variant to have installed |
| 01:35.36 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: You're not... you're uninstalling the older ones |
| 01:35.40 | freemo | have i upset anyone in here other then greycat? |
| 01:35.44 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: The most recent kernel is 2.6.8 |
| 01:35.46 | freemo | ever? and if so why? |
| 01:36.09 | c4_ | 2.6.8.1 hehe! |
| 01:36.15 | X-Ray5 | but i'm running 2.6.5 why would i uninstall 2.6.7 |
| 01:36.18 | deadcat | how do i tell ssh NOT to save the pub key of the remote server in my .known_hosts file and ignore the warning about wrong key file? |
| 01:36.37 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: You're not running 2.6.5, unless you haven't rebooted in a few months |
| 01:36.39 | *** join/#debian Eric26 (~a@200.123.155.78) |
| 01:36.48 | *** join/#debian Ecnassianer (~ecna@adsl-69-108-216-243.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 01:36.52 | c4_ | X-Ray5: not a big deal, just look at the changelogs and find out if you should |
| 01:37.05 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: when i do a... uname -a i get Linux delldoh 2.6.5-1-686 #5 Fri Apr 30 20:26:13 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:37.10 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: Run "uname -r" to see what kernel you're currently running -- it's probably 2.6.7 at the moment, and now that you've installed the 2.6.8 package, next time you reboot you'll be running 2.6.8 instead |
| 01:37.31 | try_catch_this | whats the name of the linux scan disk utility? And can it scan a FAT32/16 partition (because the scandisk in windows sux), oh and a defragger as well |
| 01:37.32 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: uname -r --> 2.6.5-1-686 |
| 01:37.40 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: OK, then your bootloader is still booting the old one |
| 01:37.50 | try_catch_this | win98 that is |
| 01:38.01 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 01:38.07 | Eric26 | can anybody help me? I have many doubts and None answer |
| 01:38.13 | greycat | !tell Eric26 about ask |
| 01:38.31 | X-Ray5 | okay then i will restart load the new one and delete the 2.6.5 one then |
| 01:38.37 | greycat | try_catch_this: boot Win98 into "MS-DOS mode" and then run scandisk C: |
| 01:38.38 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: Edit your LILO or GRUB configuration (whichever you use) so that it points to the vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-686 file |
| 01:38.43 | jharrison | X-Ray5: no |
| 01:38.52 | try_catch_this | I cant because of lilo |
| 01:38.55 | jharrison | X-Ray5: leave one kernel you know works just incase you need it |
| 01:38.58 | c4_ | try_catch_this: apt-cache search testdisk ? |
| 01:39.02 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: Or better yet, the /vmlinuz symlink, which always points to the current actual kernel file |
| 01:39.10 | jharrison | X-Ray5: if you have grub you can try update-grub |
| 01:39.13 | try_catch_this | I am not in linux right now |
| 01:39.15 | aldug | does any documentation exist for libid3tag? |
| 01:39.17 | *** join/#debian michael__ (~sadjester@d60-65-124-214.col.wideopenwest.com) |
| 01:39.22 | c4_ | Eric26: me to!~, what are yours? |
| 01:39.23 | aldug | or is it just not included in the deb? |
| 01:39.26 | *** join/#debian itchy (~itchy@81.172.72.2) |
| 01:39.37 | Eric26 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.39 | c4_ | hehe |
| 01:39.39 | greycat | try_catch_this: what the hell does lilo have to do with it? |
| 01:39.42 | itchy | Hi there! |
| 01:39.44 | itchy | :) |
| 01:39.46 | jharrison | itchy: where is scratchy? |
| 01:39.48 | greycat | try_catch_this: if you can boot win98, you can boot win98 in DOS mode |
| 01:39.50 | *** join/#debian king_ (~viv@adsl-68-124-85-227.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 01:39.52 | itchy | xD |
| 01:39.54 | X-Ray5 | how can i tell what boot loader i use? |
| 01:39.55 | jharrison | itchy: you guys still doing your show? |
| 01:40.00 | try_catch_this | lilo would stop me from getting into dos mode |
| 01:40.03 | X-Ray5 | i dont have a monitor on my system |
| 01:40.07 | Eric26 | Video, printer, CD-Writer, Modem (Ufff) |
| 01:40.13 | *** join/#debian catalyst (~catalyst@cm216.omega172.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 01:40.23 | Wyzard | c4_: hehe |
| 01:40.24 | itchy | yeah! we're working on it |
| 01:40.33 | c4_ | Eric26: damn!, let start by one of them |
| 01:40.40 | *** join/#debian cuse (~cuse@dsl60b0081.sdtnet.de) |
| 01:40.41 | Eric26 | hehehe ok |
| 01:40.46 | Eric26 | Printer |
| 01:40.50 | *** join/#debian Buddha (Buddha@moep.com) |
| 01:40.56 | Eric26 | Wich packages do i nedd? |
| 01:41.13 | cuse | Hi! Is there a (soft)way to unlock a cdrom drive? |
| 01:41.20 | Eric26 | (I have an USB Epson C63 printer) |
| 01:41.20 | c4_ | Eric26: nono, but from more importance to less... did you compile a kernel for your machine? |
| 01:41.54 | Eric26 | mmmmm i'm a begginer at this point, so don't know what you asking me |
| 01:42.03 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: If you installed using woody's installer, you probably have LILO unless you installed GRUB yourself. If you installed using the new beta installer, I think it asks you which one you want. |
| 01:42.04 | Eric26 | why should i compile the Kernel? |
| 01:42.08 | try_catch_this | so a linux scan disk? |
| 01:42.11 | nvz | Eric26: the answer is no |
| 01:42.26 | nvz | Eric26: type uname -r, tell us what that says |
| 01:42.43 | itchy | sonne, guys someone can tell me how I can change the hostname? (permanent results) |
| 01:42.46 | X-Ray5 | Wyzard: yeah i'm using lilo i just updated it to use the new image |
| 01:43.14 | Eric26 | I know the version of Kernel wich is 2.4.2 |
| 01:43.20 | Eric26 | is that enough? |
| 01:43.26 | *** join/#debian QuaD-_ (~derek@beac872-0b01-dhcp142.bu.edu) |
| 01:43.30 | greycat | try_catch_this: look for something like "fsck.fat" or "fsck.msdos" or whatever |
| 01:43.38 | BlackJudas | So, is there a doc that explains the difference between main/cached/buffered memory for me? |
| 01:43.40 | nvz | Eric26: type uname -r tell us whats there exactly |
| 01:43.57 | Eric26 | ok |
| 01:44.01 | Eric26 | wait for me |
| 01:44.19 | Eric26 | enathing else? i'm not in linux right now. |
| 01:44.21 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: You should reboot (so you're running the new kernel) before you uninstall the old ones |
| 01:44.27 | dan2 | asg: still there? |
| 01:44.30 | c4_ | Eric26: ok, so you have to go to www.kernel.org and download a kernel source first, so download ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 01:44.32 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 01:44.41 | nvz | Eric26: oh I see.. well whats the situation then fresh install and clueless? |
| 01:45.02 | Wyzard | X-Ray5: You *can* uninstall the old kernel while you're still running it, but just to be safe, it's best to make sure the new kernel boots successfully (by booting it) before you remove the old one |
| 01:45.07 | c4_ | damn!, nvz, sorry |
| 01:45.24 | Wyzard | c4_: eww... use one of the kernel-source packages |
| 01:45.35 | Eric26 | ok, i donwload a Compact Woody CD image from debian page |
| 01:45.39 | greycat | c4_: you do NOT want 2.6.8 upstream |
| 01:45.45 | c4_ | Wyzard: yes, i don't like it that way |
| 01:45.50 | Eric26 | then i download packages from x-Window and KDE |
| 01:45.50 | greycat | they released 2.6.8.1 for a reason |
| 01:45.50 | jharrison | greycat: why not |
| 01:46.00 | greycat | jharrison: brown paper bag kernel. |
| 01:46.02 | jharrison | greycat: 2.6.8.1 sucks too |
| 01:46.02 | nvz | Eric26: seems like first thing would be to get to where you can irc from linux, is that possible? |
| 01:46.15 | jharrison | greycat: I cant get 2.6.8.1 and > to boot at all |
| 01:46.19 | cthomas | what is the major complaint with 2.6.8? |
| 01:46.26 | jharrison | greycat: im stuck on 2.6.7 |
| 01:46.44 | Wyzard | I'm running 2.6.8 with no problems |
| 01:46.51 | Eric26 | mmm i don´t think so. I couldn't install my modem |
| 01:46.53 | jharrison | cthomas: 2.6.8 has broken nfs stuff and some other thing I believe |
| 01:46.58 | jharrison | cthomas: there is a changelog |
| 01:47.01 | nvz | Eric26: you've done a base install of woody an just need some help setting things up? what kind of modem? |
| 01:47.06 | c4_ | greycat: yes, i don't really knows such a lot, but i didn't see that other have answered |
| 01:47.08 | *** join/#debian pipegeek (~pipegeek@pool-141-154-112-2.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:47.09 | jharrison | Wyzard: the debian 2.6.8? |
| 01:47.15 | Wyzard | When I first upgraded, VMware started hanging on occasion, but that stopped when I rebuilt the kernel using a newer revision of the kernel-source-2.6.8 package |
| 01:47.27 | Wyzard | jharrison: custom-compiled from kernel-source-2.6.8 using make-kpkg |
| 01:47.32 | Eric26 | bad news... Winmodem... |
| 01:47.35 | cthomas | is there somewhere to view the changelog without actually downloading all the source? |
| 01:47.44 | jharrison | Wyzard: the debian sources are patched with 2.6.8.1 as far as I know |
| 01:47.52 | jharrison | cthomas: there sure is |
| 01:47.54 | cthomas | i'm running 2.6.8 on an important machine, if there's a problem I need to know about it |
| 01:47.56 | jharrison | cthomas: its your lucky day |
| 01:47.59 | Eric26 | yes that's right |
| 01:48.00 | inner | xeron : did you have any other advice for me, sorry I had to pop out. |
| 01:48.09 | Wyzard | cthomas: kernel.org has links to the changelogs |
| 01:48.14 | greycat | cthomas: 2.6.8 upstream or Debian? big difference. |
| 01:48.16 | mwilson | cthomas: Don't run 2.6.8 on any machine. Step back to 2.6.7 or earlier. |
| 01:48.16 | nvz | Eric26: thats ok.. its a desktop internal winmodem? |
| 01:48.17 | jharrison | cthomas: if you go to www.kernel.org and click the changelog link viola you will see a changelog |
| 01:48.47 | thomas_adam | Just don't run a kernel at all, and imagine what would happen. |
| 01:48.53 | nvz | Eric26: your dual booting then linux on the same machine you are on now? |
| 01:48.54 | xeron | inner- ah wb. |
| 01:48.55 | jharrison | hehe |
| 01:48.58 | jharrison | thomas_adam: hey you are back |
| 01:48.59 | c4_ | greycat: you mean that Eric26 should try to install a linux system with the things that he can find in his machine? |
| 01:49.01 | greycat | thomas_adam: no security holes, for one... |
| 01:49.04 | *** join/#debian sysfault (~exalted@ool-44c023dc.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:49.07 | xeron | inner- I still see the deadkeys in the new log... |
| 01:49.07 | thomas_adam | See. It makes sense. :) |
| 01:49.24 | Eric26 | is a PCI Internal Modem. If i'm not wrong is a PCTEL HSP Modem (those wich ask you about a contry seleccion) |
| 01:49.28 | greycat | c4_: what the fuck? are you actually speaking english, or are you using english words in some heretofore unknown manner? |
| 01:49.35 | Eric26 | i have run ScanModem Script |
| 01:49.53 | c4_ | greycat: /ignore greycat all |
| 01:49.57 | *** join/#debian jwmctavi (~james_mct@Toronto-HSE-ppp3708307.sympatico.ca) |
| 01:50.02 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 01:50.07 | Eric26 | i Have two HD nvz, one with Linux and one With Win |
| 01:50.07 | thomas_adam | c4_: Bye. |
| 01:50.17 | *** join/#debian medgno (medgno@CPE-69-23-244-58.mn.rr.com) |
| 01:50.18 | c4_ | hehe |
| 01:50.22 | Eric26 | why do i have to donwload the kernel? |
| 01:50.27 | nvz | Eric26: yeah this may be a little tricky but we might be able to work something out.. there are drivers for alot of those winmodems, but they usually require building into the kernel.. |
| 01:50.46 | inner | xeron : oo :/ uhmm |
| 01:50.46 | nvz | Eric26: what is you goal right now? what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 01:50.48 | greycat | a bitchx user, too. |
| 01:50.49 | Eric26 | ok |
| 01:51.31 | Eric26 | at first, make my hardware work...the more i get, the best |
| 01:51.33 | *** join/#debian King_Jeer (~knoppix@overland10k.mo24.107.16.214.charter-stl.com) |
| 01:52.13 | inner | xeron : yeah something put it back not sure what it was, but I removed it still does the same thing |
| 01:52.13 | Eric26 | sorry to be a rooky at this, bue anything you can do to helo me i'll be thank |
| 01:52.15 | *** join/#debian karrot-x_ (~karrot-x@dsl092-163-014.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:52.35 | karrot-x_ | i tried copying something from my smbfs mount and it says in the samba file "invadlid arguement" |
| 01:52.39 | nvz | Eric26: yeah yeah.. but where are you now.. you've base installed woody have no net connection what do you plan to do, do you have package cds? |
| 01:53.09 | *** join/#debian _fishynet (fishy@adsl-34-57-50.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:53.16 | Eric26 | mmm nope i donwload all the packages i have from debian page |
| 01:53.49 | Eric26 | i just have a Linux Knoppix CD bootable, but i don't think that can help |
| 01:54.03 | nvz | Eric26: huh? what did you use to install do you have any debian cds? |
| 01:54.17 | pipegeek | Hi all. I'm battling a rather vexing problem here: no matter what I do, arts segfaults immediately after being started, with the message "unix_connect: can't connect to server (unix:/tmp/mcop-pipegeek/hrairoo-05dc-4144d919)". The file in question (a socket) is, in fact, there. This happens regardless of what I set as the output device. Ideas? My soundcard is a soundblaster 16, and I am running debian testing/unstable. |
| 01:54.21 | itchy | please, guys |
| 01:54.45 | inner | xeron : it's not like this keyboard is something obtuse or anything, it's a standard 104 |
| 01:54.46 | itchy | someone can tell me how I can change the hostname of my machine |
| 01:54.53 | xeron | inner- did you reinstall xfonts-base? |
| 01:55.00 | inner | xeron : yes |
| 01:55.00 | itchy | with permanent results? |
| 01:55.02 | Eric26 | i Download a compact ISO file from the Debian page, ,burnit to a CD and install from there |
| 01:55.04 | pipegeek | My system is a Pentium I 200MHz with 128MB RAM |
| 01:55.08 | itchy | thanks a lot |
| 01:55.16 | Eric26 | that ffile weight 33 MB |
| 01:55.21 | Eric26 | and have no packages |
| 01:55.26 | nvz | Eric26: by compact you mean what? a mini netinstall that only contains a base-system? |
| 01:55.28 | Eric26 | just basic Debian |
| 01:55.29 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 01:55.37 | freemo | can someone help.. imhaving trouble getting a wireless card working.. i followed all the documentation i found ont he net.. but i think i may be missing something |
| 01:55.38 | Eric26 | i supose |
| 01:55.40 | nvz | Eric26: yeah well what do you expect to do with that? |
| 01:55.49 | Wyzard | pipegeek: A socket is an intermediary for two processes... even if the socket itself exists, connecting will fail if there's nothing listening on the other end of it |
| 01:56.11 | inner | xeron : can do it again if you liek |
| 01:56.12 | inner | like |
| 01:56.16 | Wyzard | pipegeek: But if you're trying to start the arts daemon, I'd think it'd be needing to *listen* on the socket rather than connect to it... |
| 01:56.32 | Eric26 | what you mean? |
| 01:56.32 | nvz | Eric26: you just wanted a bash shell? or you were planning on setting up your modem and net installing or what? |
| 01:56.38 | pipegeek | Wyzard: I dunno what to tell you. |
| 01:56.39 | xeron | inner- some people in here are godlike with this stuff... not me... you're certainly patient so if you're nice enough you might get an answer but I googled and googled and there's nothing else I can find to try... |
| 01:56.55 | Eric26 | yea |
| 01:57.04 | pipegeek | Wyzard: I run artsd, I get the message I quoted, and then it segfaults. |
| 01:57.16 | pipegeek | googling turned up nothing. |
| 01:57.22 | inner | xeron : yeah, thanks.. for your effort, sorry none of it work for you :( |
| 01:57.26 | Wyzard | pipegeek: I'd google for other people asking about it, check the BTS, and maybe run it under strace to see if that provides any insight |
| 01:57.36 | xeron | inner- try xfonts... there's still an error for that in there |
| 01:57.43 | inner | xeron : ok |
| 01:57.49 | nvz | Eric26: yeah? |
| 01:57.51 | Eric26 | mi idea is to setting up modem to update after that. I use this machine like a Workstation, a home machine |
| 01:57.59 | xeron | inner- (WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist. |
| 01:58.06 | xeron | inner- not sure which package that one is |
| 01:58.14 | nvz | Eric26: honestly I dont see this being the right way to do this. |
| 01:58.23 | xeron | inner- might be in cyrillic... |
| 01:58.25 | Eric26 | mmm why? |
| 01:58.40 | thomas_adam | Eric26: I don't understand you, mmmmmk? |
| 01:58.46 | inner | xeron : uhmm will have a look |
| 01:58.54 | *** join/#debian nono31 (~nono31@201.13.1.86) |
| 01:59.11 | Eric26 | i'm i asking in the wrong place? |
| 01:59.13 | cthomas | which command will let me name a file and tell me what package it belongs to? |
| 01:59.14 | nvz | Eric26: sarge is expected to be stable really really soon, woody is 2 years old for one, and for two a newbie tryign to hack a kernel with winmodem support on a base woodyinstall then proceed to install a full system via modem download is just insane |
| 01:59.16 | Wyzard | freemo: Most wireless cards require external modules to be built (linux-wlan-ng or hostap) |
| 01:59.38 | Eric26 | ok |
| 01:59.40 | nvz | Eric26: seems more logical to wait about a week, burn like the first full sarge iso ang use that |
| 01:59.40 | Eric26 | i get it |
| 01:59.41 | xeron | inner- try changing your mouse to imps/2 |
| 01:59.46 | *** join/#debian flamtripl3t (~g_dub@d207-81-86-42.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 01:59.51 | freemo | Wyzard, well acording to the tutorial i followed i had to get hotplug .. is that it? |
| 01:59.59 | nvz | Eric26: then at least you have a full cd of additional packages do work with |
| 02:00.04 | *** join/#debian why_ache (~yhusain@12-216-207-12.client.mchsi.com) |
| 02:00.06 | xeron | inner- I read something about that also while looking around, but you already had that in your old configuration |
| 02:00.07 | nvz | Eric26: and its up to date |
| 02:00.14 | Eric26 | ok |
| 02:00.20 | Eric26 | i'l do that |
| 02:00.29 | Wyzard | freemo: Hotplug is a necessary component in using PCMCIA/CardBus cards... but once the system recognizes the card, you still need the driver to actually use it, and that's where linux-wlan-ng and hostap come in |
| 02:00.30 | Eric26 | and thanks for your time |
| 02:00.32 | nvz | Eric26: hang around here |
| 02:00.43 | holycow | you know, reading weblinked pdf docs on linux is a pleasure ... they don't max your cpu on load up, they don't load into the browser (thank god no plugins yet) and they don't crash your windowing environment like sometimes happens to win explorer |
| 02:00.47 | holycow | quite refreshing :) |
| 02:00.51 | freemo | Wyzard, oh this isnt even pcmcia it is pci |
| 02:00.54 | cthomas | sarge will be the best christmas gift ever... |
| 02:01.00 | nvz | Eric26: when sarge is announced get as many of the ISOs and cou can stand to d/l burn.. but just one would be better than that compact woody iso |
| 02:01.02 | Wyzard | freemo: It might be a little late if you've already bought the card, but I'd recommend getting a prism54-based card like the Netgear WG511 |
| 02:01.02 | freemo | Wyzard, ok should ijsut apt-get those? |
| 02:01.07 | *** join/#debian CompWizrd (compwiz@d57-87-27.home.cgocable.net) |
| 02:01.09 | holycow | cthomas, *high five* |
| 02:01.10 | inner | xeron : yeah it's weird that it's supposed to be PS/2 but every time x is run it changes it to Im |
| 02:01.11 | holycow | agreed |
| 02:01.16 | freemo | Wyzard, this card uses the prism54 driver actually |
| 02:01.19 | *** join/#debian Walther (~john@S0106008029e4209f.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 02:01.28 | xeron | inner- imps/2 is an extended ps/2 driver I think |
| 02:01.29 | Wyzard | freemo: In that case you don't need hotplug (though it's useful to have anyway, since it plays a role in things like USB) |
| 02:01.33 | nvz | Eric26: its expected to be frozen by the 15th, but its not certain. |
| 02:01.33 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 02:01.35 | freemo | Wyzard, maybe you can tell me how to get this up form scratch.. cause i think i missed some major step somewhere |
| 02:01.54 | Wyzard | freemo: Oh, it's a prism54? Then you're in luck, if you're comfortable with compiling a new kernel |
| 02:02.07 | *** join/#debian Devz (Devz@200.93.12.46) |
| 02:02.11 | *** join/#debian CoNaN (~CoNaN@200.225.247.113) |
| 02:02.12 | nvz | Eric26: in the mean time, if knoppix works, thats alot like debian and runs off the cd, so you can use it until then and to learn stuff |
| 02:02.13 | Devz | how i can update kernel in debian ? |
| 02:02.17 | holycow | hopefully sarge 3.2 or whatever will be released soon after with gnome 2.8, project utopia, and the new debian xorg server :D ... oh who ma i kidden XD |
| 02:02.19 | inner | xeron : ahh.. maybe it's picking up that it's an topical mouse with scroll will,middle mouse and 2 buttons on the side? |
| 02:02.23 | xeron | inner- you could try removing your x config file and setting it all over again? |
| 02:02.26 | nvz | Eric26: since you said you have a knoppix cd |
| 02:02.32 | *** join/#debian streuner (~streuner@pD9531208.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:02.38 | Wyzard | freemo: The prism54 driver is part of the official kernel... just compile a kernel that includes that module, get the firmware file from prism54.org and put it where the page says to put it, and load the module |
| 02:02.50 | freemo | Wyzard, i can compile a new kernel .. althou im ssh'ing in and would like to avoid that if possible |
| 02:03.16 | Wyzard | freemo: Out of curiosity, btw, what card is it? I wouldn't mind having a prism54 PCI card myself. |
| 02:03.18 | *** join/#debian ado_ (~ado@3kx.net) |
| 02:03.19 | inner | xeron : you mean rm XF86Config-4 |
| 02:03.47 | xeron | no |
| 02:03.55 | xeron | inner- they made it goof-proof. |
| 02:03.59 | Eric26 | ok, but why should i wait one week? |
| 02:04.12 | smacnay | to set X root window on starting X (just a simple wm) do I need something like xsetroot to put a .png or .jpg on the window? |
| 02:04.40 | nvz | Eric26: well if you d/l sarge now you may be wasting time too, cause its not completly frozen and called stable, its still in testing, so things you d/l may have bugs |
| 02:04.42 | freemo | Wyzard, origo |
| 02:04.47 | inner | xeron : lol |
| 02:05.14 | freemo | Wyzard, how do i modprobe it to tell it what it is modprobing.. or do i jsut do "modprobe prism54" ? |
| 02:05.21 | nvz | Eric26: I mean its real soon its releasing and its a spankin new one, and for someone who is going to take a great deal of time to do it, I would think you want the latest most stable stuff |
| 02:05.30 | Eric26 | ok |
| 02:05.33 | inner | xeron : not goof-proof enough :) |
| 02:05.35 | pipegeek | Wyzard: well, I'm no programmer and I can't figure out what went wrong here. I'd be very grateful if you'd be willing to take a look at the output of strace, but I understand entirely if you aren't. |
| 02:05.35 | Wyzard | nvz: He could still install it and then upgrade when it goes stable... that's not exactly a waste |
| 02:05.44 | Wyzard | freemo: modprobe prism54 |
| 02:06.13 | Wyzard | freemo: And install the "wireless-tools" package -- that contains the "iwconfig" program which you use to configure the wireless aspects of the interface (setting SSID, etc.) |
| 02:06.21 | nvz | Wyzard: yeah but the issue of him being a newbie and needing to setup a winmodem on his own is scary.. I want to at least see him do anything that gets him half a chance at succeeding |
| 02:06.21 | inner | xeron : by the way what is the debconf question at the start ? |
| 02:06.22 | *** join/#debian QuaD- (~derek@beac872-0b01-dhcp178.bu.edu) |
| 02:06.35 | freemo | Wyzard, they took down their firmware due to debian licence restrictions they say |
| 02:06.41 | Wyzard | freemo: But just loading the prism54 module should give you a network interface (it'll be named like "eth0", not like "wlan0") |
| 02:06.44 | xeron | inner- cd /etc/X11 && cp XF86Config-4 XF86Config-4.custom && md5sum XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 02:06.55 | xeron | inner- then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 02:06.56 | nvz | Wyzard: I've only done one winmodem, so I dont have much experience myself.. but your advice is welcome I am sure |
| 02:07.05 | Eric26 | ok, in the meantime, any webpage or basic manual to download? |
| 02:07.24 | xeron | inner- if you rerun the configuration utility and have a modified XF86Config file it will NOT save. |
| 02:07.33 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 02:07.48 | freemo | Wyzard, it doesnt. |
| 02:07.50 | Wyzard | freemo: They're providing it anyway... follow the link at the end of the first paragraph on the firmware page |
| 02:07.53 | xeron | inner- it keeps track of md5 sums like that as a check... watch try to dpkg-reconfigure after you remove your configuration, it won't save. |
| 02:07.54 | nvz | Eric26: well debian.org has plenty of reading material, I would mostly read the install guide and try research your modem situation, cause once you can get in here from linux you can get help |
| 02:07.57 | *** join/#debian rapha3l (raf@bonnefoy-1-82-66-79-70.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 02:08.01 | inner | xeron : okay will test that |
| 02:08.12 | Wyzard | freemo: (You need to have the firmware file in place before the module will load successfully) |
| 02:08.22 | freemo | ahh gotcha |
| 02:08.27 | freemo | how do i take th module down then? |
| 02:08.33 | *** join/#debian orospakr (~orospakr@CPE00a00cc1c1a6-CM00407b87b341.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:08.34 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (~peter@S01060040052f6d20.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 02:08.41 | Wyzard | freemo: "rmmod" or "modprobe -r" |
| 02:08.54 | xeron | inner- then take your time going through all the stuff in the configuration... if that doesn't work, unfortunately I don't have an answer for you, except try completely removing X and completely reinstalling :( |
| 02:08.59 | *** join/#debian llamabutcher (~llamabutc@CPE-24-160-243-132.wi.rr.com) |
| 02:09.10 | *** join/#debian fmatheus (~fmatheus@201.1.154.226) |
| 02:09.11 | xeron | inner- Make sure the /etc/X11/ tree is wiped out. |
| 02:09.17 | nvz | Eric26: as Wyzard said, sarge isos are being built every night as progress progresses, and you could just d/l iso 1 now if you must.. you cant get too far in the next few days, and should you manage to get the modem working by time it freezes, you could d/l the updates |
| 02:09.29 | freemo | Wyzard, it doesnt tell me where to put the firmware thou or how to make the module looka t it |
| 02:09.34 | llamabutcher | nvz: hey you were helping me with my alsa before and i needed to ask you 1 more question |
| 02:09.42 | Wyzard | freemo: It's mentioned somewhere on that page |
| 02:09.44 | nvz | llamabutcher: go for it |
| 02:09.47 | freemo | nvm |
| 02:09.51 | freemo | hehe im blind :) |
| 02:10.04 | Eric26 | Ok, about the winmodem, i have run ScanModem script and identify (think) then chipset. Wich is the next step? |
| 02:10.09 | rares000 | ok how do I delete a file that is unlinked |
| 02:10.14 | Wyzard | freemo: You need to rename the file too -- see the last column in the table |
| 02:10.15 | llamabutcher | i ran alfaconf, and it showed that it auto recognized my intel snd blah blah blah and it said everything was configured and gravy.. then it tried to start it and it generated an error and it said that i could type alsactl restore to find the error and it said no soundcard found |
| 02:10.37 | CoNaN | Hello. I did a apt-get upgrade, and it spend a lot of time.. but some packages fail to download.. How can I deal with this, telling to install the other packages ? |
| 02:10.45 | nvz | Eric26: well for my experience it was a HSF modem in a laptop and I had to d/l a kernel driver, it went quite well. |
| 02:10.56 | inner | xeron : don't have a dir in /var/lib/xfree86 |
| 02:10.59 | FukaiMori | hmm |
| 02:11.04 | FukaiMori | there are 7 debian CDs |
| 02:11.05 | FukaiMori | ??? |
| 02:11.38 | inner | FukaiMori : 14 if you count source cds |
| 02:11.40 | *** join/#debian aurelio_buendia (~pax@dsl092-235-062.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 02:11.51 | nvz | llamabutcher: like I said before I dont know much about the ALSA API, if I use an ALSA driver, I load the ALSA 2 OSS Emulation layer, because all apps have always supported OSS and thats what I am used to and my system is setup for. |
| 02:12.00 | dan2 | peterS: hey |
| 02:12.07 | Wyzard | FukaiMori: You don't need them if you have a decent Internet connection... you can just get the 50MB installer CD and it'll download the rest as-needed |
| 02:12.08 | llamabutcher | okay |
| 02:12.13 | inner | +1 for non-US |
| 02:12.19 | nvz | llamabutcher: ask the channel for help, or try using the OSS i810 driver |
| 02:12.21 | Wyzard | FukaiMori: Most of the stuff on that CD is software you'll never actually install |
| 02:12.31 | thomas_adam | tkgate. |
| 02:12.49 | freemo | Wyzard, hmmm .. im not sure if i have any of those models.. iw as jsut told to use the prism54 driver for my card from a site i googled |
| 02:12.53 | zygut | how can I get java to work with mozilla? |
| 02:13.00 | FukaiMori | oo okay |
| 02:13.03 | FukaiMori | ty wyzard |
| 02:13.09 | nvz | zygut: have you installed a j2re yet? |
| 02:13.16 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 02:13.26 | zygut | nvz: no, I am not sure how |
| 02:13.33 | inner | you only really need the first 2 cds |
| 02:13.34 | Wyzard | freemo: The GT is the 802.11g chip, the Indigo is the 802.11a chip, and the Duette supports both standards |
| 02:13.44 | nvz | zygut: you can d/l the linux binaries from sun directly if you want.. its not too hard to do that way. |
| 02:13.47 | Wyzard | freemo: (or so I was told by someone in #prism54 a few months ago) |
| 02:13.58 | freemo | ok |
| 02:14.04 | *** join/#debian QuaD-_ (~derek@beac872-0b01-dhcp188.bu.edu) |
| 02:14.07 | FukaiMori | I have a i386 system |
| 02:14.08 | nvz | zygut: you just chmod 700 them and run them , and the self extract |
| 02:14.11 | Eric26 | wyzard, wich download of 50MB? |
| 02:14.11 | FukaiMori | woody-i386-1.iso I get that |
| 02:14.28 | Wyzard | Eric26: I'd use the beta installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 02:14.29 | FukaiMori | woody-i386-1.raw ... that too? |
| 02:14.33 | inner | xeron : so how to I purge xfree86 and reinstall it ? |
| 02:14.36 | Wyzard | FukaiMori: Just the iso |
| 02:14.38 | Devz | how i can update kernel in debian ? |
| 02:14.40 | FukaiMori | okay |
| 02:14.42 | FukaiMori | thanks wyzard |
| 02:14.43 | Randy | Mori: I think you have a x86 processor.. I hope to god you dont have a 386 |
| 02:14.46 | FukaiMori | 160MB it is |
| 02:14.57 | FukaiMori | hmm |
| 02:15.03 | FukaiMori | I have a AMD Athlon XP |
| 02:15.07 | freemo | Wyzard, no such device |
| 02:15.13 | inner | FukaiMori : don't for get to md5sum it before burning it off |
| 02:15.15 | *** part/#debian fmatheus (~fmatheus@201.1.154.226) |
| 02:15.34 | Randy | Mori: you can download the 486 iso, 686, etc.. it would all work |
| 02:15.40 | Wyzard | FukaiMori: That's OK, "i386" just means it uses the architecture that originated with the 386... as opposed to, say, a Mac with a PPC processor |
| 02:15.46 | xeron | !purge |
| 02:15.46 | dpkg | purge is, like, to complete wipe away a package, including it's config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package] |
| 02:15.57 | Wyzard | Random-832: There's no 486, 686, etc. isos |
| 02:15.58 | FukaiMori | oh |
| 02:16.01 | FukaiMori | I have a PC |
| 02:16.05 | FukaiMori | I built myself.... |
| 02:16.10 | FukaiMori | just a normal PC |
| 02:16.10 | deepfrze | FukaiMori, are you sure you want woody, sarge is going to be the official release real soon. |
| 02:16.27 | FukaiMori | heh, sarge isnt out yet though |
| 02:16.35 | nvz | zygut: then what I do is move the folder to like /usr/local, and link the /usr/local/j2re-1.4.1/bin/java to /usr/local/bin/java, and link the plugin to the mozilla plugin dir, and it works for mozilla and java apps |
| 02:16.45 | Wyzard | FukaiMori: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- get the 40MB "businesscard" CD |
| 02:16.57 | inner | xeron : oo :) |
| 02:17.09 | Wyzard | FukaiMori: (assuming you have Internet access while installing, that's all you need) |
| 02:17.11 | *** join/#debian zeeble (~sound@203.199.92.129) |
| 02:17.19 | holycow | http://www.pocketworkstation.org/ <-- neato |
| 02:17.31 | *** join/#debian coywolf (~coywolf@218.24.179.84) |
| 02:17.33 | FukaiMori | hmmm |
| 02:17.36 | FukaiMori | which one? |
| 02:17.38 | nvz | FukaiMori: sarge has been out for sometime, its still in testing, nightly images being made |
| 02:17.41 | Wyzard | freemo: You put the firmware file in place and tried loading the module and it said that? |
| 02:17.45 | FukaiMori | business card? |
| 02:17.48 | inner | xeron : do apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree86 ? will remove it and it's dependants ? |
| 02:17.51 | Eric26 | wyzard, that installer came with any packages? |
| 02:17.57 | nvz | FukaiMori: eh? |
| 02:18.03 | *** join/#debian malex|home (~malex@dsl-206-098.resnet.purdue.edu) |
| 02:18.10 | *** join/#debian axology (~axology@ip68-3-123-211.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 02:18.11 | Wyzard | Eric26: No, it's just the installer. The packages are downloaded from the Internet during the installation. |
| 02:18.12 | *** join/#debian slip (~slip@ool-18bc0dc6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:18.15 | freemo | Wyzard, no .. when i loaded the module it gave no error (it never gave an error not even when i didnt have the firmware) |
| 02:18.19 | FukaiMori | on that site that wyzard gave |
| 02:18.28 | FukaiMori | Wyzard, Business Card, right? |
| 02:18.29 | freemo | i get a "no device " error when i try to bring the interface up |
| 02:18.35 | *** join/#debian osc- (~osc@stewie.cede.psu.edu) |
| 02:18.46 | freemo | Wyzard, the iface didnt come up when i modprobed |
| 02:19.01 | *** part/#debian slip (~slip@ool-18bc0dc6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:19.13 | Wyzard | FukaiMori: Any of them will work for a net install, but the businesscard one is all you actually need... the others just contain extra packages that you don't need on the CD because they'll be downloaded anyway |
| 02:19.13 | *** join/#debian angus (~angus@217-162-220-17.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 02:19.16 | xeron | inner- I'm not sure, dpkg --help or man dpkg |
| 02:19.20 | Wyzard | freemo: Does "ifconfig -a" show it? |
| 02:19.29 | *** join/#debian godless (~godless@d51532C0A.kabel.telenet.be) |
| 02:19.34 | FukaiMori | okay |
| 02:19.36 | FukaiMori | thanks wyzard |
| 02:19.39 | angus | hi, can someone give me a little help with webmin... |
| 02:19.40 | aurelio_buendia | I just did the net-install so I don't have much of anything on my shiny new debian box, but... I would like to set up a telnet server (I'm behind a firewall) so that I can unplug montior/mouse/keyboard and do things from another computer behind my firewall. Help? |
| 02:19.58 | *** join/#debian chris- (~nas@ip68-10-87-215.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 02:19.58 | *** join/#debian aPriL (~SeX@lsanca1-ar19-4-46-073-074.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 02:19.59 | aurelio_buendia | Oh and hi... |
| 02:20.00 | Wyzard | aurelio_buendia: Use SSH, not telnet |
| 02:20.02 | inner | xeron : ta |
| 02:20.05 | *** part/#debian osc- (~osc@stewie.cede.psu.edu) |
| 02:20.22 | *** join/#debian brad[] (~brad@209.161.229.122) |
| 02:20.22 | aurelio_buendia | It's just temporary while I run the box headless |
| 02:20.23 | Wyzard | aurelio_buendia: Just install the "ssh" package, and say yes when it asks if you want to run the server |
| 02:20.23 | freemo | Wyzard, i dont think show.. it does show a "sit0" iface.. i dont knwo what that is thou |
| 02:20.23 | Wyzard | aurelio_buendia: Use SSH anyway |
| 02:20.23 | chris- | stop it brad. |
| 02:20.25 | aurelio_buendia | good point |
| 02:20.27 | *** join/#debian JimButton (lukas@pm476-27.dialip.mich.net) |
| 02:20.30 | aurelio_buendia | I'll just have to remove it later |
| 02:20.30 | brad[] | chris, you rabid Gentoo user |
| 02:20.32 | brad[] | gtfo |
| 02:20.33 | Wyzard | freemo: That's not it |
| 02:20.40 | chris- | ok mr. kde |
| 02:20.40 | freemo | Wyzard, :( |
| 02:20.49 | dondelelcaro | chris-, brad[]: take that elsewhere. |
| 02:21.00 | Wyzard | aurelio_buendia: Why remove it? It's always useful to be able to log into a system remotely, and that package includes the client for logging into other systems too. |
| 02:21.09 | FukaiMori | amd sarge will automatically install the KDE desktop |
| 02:21.13 | FukaiMori | if I choose for it to |
| 02:21.17 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: if you tell it to, yes. |
| 02:21.19 | FukaiMori | okay |
| 02:21.20 | nvz | Eric26: those cds are netinstall cds, what they have is an installer and base system, they install a linux kernel and base system, allow you to setup the network, a bootloader, then you boot the system and base-config runs where you will configure various things including your package mirror, and then d/l and install the rest of the system. |
| 02:21.22 | *** join/#debian paw (meow@zblaxell.ott.istop.com) |
| 02:21.24 | FukaiMori | and how do I activate it? |
| 02:21.29 | angus | can anyone help me with webmin? i get this message in "quotas" : No local filesystems can support quotas |
| 02:21.30 | FukaiMori | or does it activate automatically |
| 02:21.46 | dondelelcaro | FukaiMori: if you're using a display manager like kdm or gdm or xdm, you just select kde. |
| 02:22.00 | nvz | Eric26: this is pretty much not designed for your particular configuration, as you would know if you had read thw install guide |
| 02:22.03 | *** join/#debian slip (~slip@ool-18bc0dc6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:22.04 | aurelio_buendia | Wyzard: security worries? |
| 02:22.05 | Wyzard | aurelio_buendia: But my point was that there's no reason to use telnet except for compatibility with an existing setup |
| 02:22.07 | FieldySnuts | angus: kernel has to have support for quotas in that specific filesystem. some don't have quotas |
| 02:22.10 | slip | Gentoo power!!! |
| 02:22.12 | *** join/#debian Nurbs (tom@p50927FB3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 02:22.12 | *** part/#debian slip (~slip@ool-18bc0dc6.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:22.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:22.20 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 02:22.21 | dippo | anyone know what could cause autofs to fail to expire a mount? |
| 02:22.22 | freemo | Wyzard, actually im starting to second guess if this is really the right driver for it... |
| 02:22.25 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ool-18bc0dc6.dyn.optonline.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:22.26 | freemo | it is a AMD 1771 chipset |
| 02:22.31 | dippo | i see it trying to expire over and over in daemon.log |
| 02:22.31 | angus | it works before... |
| 02:22.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:22.34 | Eric26 | yes i read the install guide nvz |
| 02:22.35 | dippo | and yet I can manually unmount it just fine |
| 02:22.36 | inner | xeron : alternatively reinstall the entire os :) LOL |
| 02:22.43 | Wyzard | freemo: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=226108 |
| 02:22.45 | *** part/#debian brad[] (~brad@209.161.229.122) |
| 02:22.56 | Wyzard | freemo: One of the posts on that page mentions that the Origo Am1772 doesn't work |
| 02:23.06 | *** join/#debian Ecna (~ecna@69.106.56.239) |
| 02:23.13 | chris- | ;D |
| 02:23.16 | freemo | Wyzard, i seem to have found a driver for it actually |
| 02:23.20 | Wyzard | ok |