| 00:00.07 | asg | IrishKitty: openoffice.org |
| 00:00.07 | thomas_adam | IrishKitty: kde |
| 00:00.14 | betoreyez | oKtosiTe: echo options snd-intel8x0 index=0; options snd-usb-audio index=1 >> /etc/modules.conf |
| 00:00.19 | g4lt | IrishKitty kile |
| 00:00.22 | jbr | IrishKitty: latest kernel-source? |
| 00:00.31 | IrishKitty | what sort of sizes are we talking? |
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| 00:00.47 | Dr_Aevil | I see a few options for various scripts to assist with traffic shaping in the debian packages cache - could anyone recommend a particular one? From the desciption "wondershaper" does what I want |
| 00:00.47 | betoreyez | openoffice arround 100MB |
| 00:00.52 | thomas_adam | IrishKitty: Billions of gigabytes. |
| 00:00.54 | IrishKitty | I am trying to do a nice a squid config for my network |
| 00:00.55 | oKtosiTe | kde is a dummy package right? |
| 00:01.06 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: Yes, but the packages it references..... |
| 00:01.06 | dondelelcaro | oKtosiTe: it's a meta package. |
| 00:01.16 | IrishKitty | currently its set to a max object size of 64 meg, I think I may update this to 256 |
| 00:01.21 | citral | !monthypyth thomas_adam |
| 00:01.22 | dpkg | Your mother was a hamster thomas_adam, and your father smelt of elderberries! |
| 00:01.23 | oKtosiTe | what's the difference? |
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| 00:01.41 | thomas_adam | Ha! |
| 00:01.44 | dondelelcaro | oKtosiTe: the term is meta package. That just means that it's a package that depends on other packages, and doesn't provide anything else. |
| 00:01.44 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: Lots. |
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| 00:01.49 | dondelelcaro | s/else/itself/ |
| 00:01.49 | nvz | dondelelcaro: files created with fakeroot will never be root then, but my installed kernel is safe and owned by root, was only compiled by fakerooted source files? |
| 00:02.10 | thomas_adam | nvz: The manpage says it all. |
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| 00:02.17 | nvz | thomas_adam: alright |
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| 00:02.26 | PerfDave | The OOo package is 28Mb, OOo-bin is 126Mb on i386 |
| 00:02.26 | IrishKitty | argh, can someone remind me where the lsit of available packages is please? |
| 00:02.27 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that's because it was debianized! to tar it seems to be owned by root, so the tarball gets created with the proper permisions. |
| 00:02.36 | dondelelcaro | IrishKitty: /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 00:02.40 | nvz | thomas_adam: never used it outside make-kpkg yet, just got curious all of a sudden |
| 00:02.41 | citral | o_O |
| 00:02.41 | IrishKitty | thats the one! |
| 00:02.42 | IrishKitty | cheers |
| 00:02.56 | mosty | i've recently reinstalled debian on my laptop, and i'm trying to remember what package i need to make my latex-produced postscript files use better fonts (i want them easier to read onscreen). what packages do i need? |
| 00:03.10 | dondelelcaro | nvz: since you actually install it as root, you get the proper permisions... [you could also munge the resultant tarball by hand, but that would suck.] |
| 00:03.13 | thomas_adam | nvz: It's used in a number of places, usually within scripts -- the classic being for debian package creation (hence its use with make-kpkg). |
| 00:03.41 | dondelelcaro | mosty: postscript generally looks just fine if you're using gv. If you're making pdfs, use pdflatex. |
| 00:03.55 | thomas_adam | Sounds kinky. |
| 00:04.04 | dondelelcaro | mosty: but anyway, this is already a faq. See ctan |
| 00:04.23 | IrishKitty | looks like 100mb is the limit |
| 00:04.28 | oKtosiTe | thomas_adam: I don't use snd-* modules. That doesn't seem to help |
| 00:04.42 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: That's ALSA? |
| 00:04.53 | nvz | thomas_adam: yeah doesnt seem like it could ever propose a threat unless the admin put something into use that wasnt done properly.. like used fakeroot improperly or for a dumb reason, but seems like for package creation, it is a very secure way of doing things |
| 00:05.32 | betoreyez | oKtosiTe: did u reboot? cause those lines are loaded in reboot... |
| 00:05.36 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, the only real issue comes from installing untrusted packages... but those can come from anywhere, and don't really have much to do with fakeroot |
| 00:05.36 | thomas_adam | nvz: fakeroot's homepage is on either FM or SF, but really - ISTR that website lists its common usages. |
| 00:05.39 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 00:05.40 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 00:05.51 | betoreyez | oKtosiTe: in boot, I mean.. |
| 00:06.05 | mosty | dondelelcaro, i am using gv, and the font is not good onscreen. any particular term you recommend i should search for on ctan? |
| 00:06.17 | dondelelcaro | mosty: you're viewing a ps file, right? |
| 00:06.20 | mosty | yes |
| 00:06.21 | thomas_adam | mosty: That's a known issue with ps. |
| 00:06.25 | dondelelcaro | mosty: and if you zoom in? does it look ok? |
| 00:06.41 | thomas_adam | and pdf... especially with xpdf. |
| 00:07.10 | betoreyez | any repository of xorg for sarge? |
| 00:07.12 | mosty | dondelelcaro, it looks slightly better when i zoom, but i seem to recall it was better before my reinstall |
| 00:07.29 | dondelelcaro | mosty: stick a screenshot up somewhere |
| 00:07.45 | nvz | well that helps alot, I could have been using it alot more than I usually do |
| 00:07.45 | mosty | oKtosiTe, one momenty |
| 00:07.45 | PerfDave | !topicsmite betoreyez |
| 00:07.46 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon betoreyez. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 00:07.56 | mosty | bah, silly nick completion |
| 00:08.46 | Weeble | nobody has invited me to gmail |
| 00:09.17 | qbit | Weeble: i have 6 .. you want one |
| 00:09.29 | qbit | invites that is |
| 00:09.35 | Weeble | \o/ |
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| 00:09.43 | nvz | I think I finally figured out slashdot is more of a cronological archive of news events than an actual news source.. I would always get aggrivated by slashdot, because it would tease with an abstract and not have an article or a link to one |
| 00:09.45 | qbit | email? |
| 00:09.48 | ApEtc | Weeble: Gmail invites are the new currency. It replaces a pat on the back or a "thank you" now. |
| 00:10.11 | asg | g4lt: you've got to whack him with a hammer |
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| 00:10.19 | Weeble | ow |
| 00:10.26 | cafuego | nvz: If you change "archive of news events" to something else, I'd agree. |
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| 00:11.02 | dondelelcaro | mosty: anyway, it's pretty typical for ps to look nasty on screen. That's why you use pdflatex for onscreen stuff, or xdvi. There are also options to dvips to clean things up slightly, but I never bother with them |
| 00:11.13 | clement | gmail sounds cool, until you start thinking about how they'll probably never implement POP or IMAP ;) |
| 00:11.21 | greycat | "You signed up for a gmail account, so you must be a twit. Perhaps you know a bunch more twits who'd like to, uh, trust us with all their most intimate email... here, kid, give these `invites' to all your kewlest friends!" |
| 00:11.25 | greycat | "The first one's free!" |
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| 00:11.36 | asg | greycat: crackmail |
| 00:11.54 | cafuego | greycat: You're waaaaay too paranoid for your own good. |
| 00:12.02 | oKtosiTe | heh, my mail account has 75GB of storage |
| 00:12.14 | nvz | cafuego: what would you call it. I just read somewhere that they were something like that.. I dont go to slashdot cause like I said the claim to be news for geeks, and there isnt any news, just headlines and abstracts, you have to go find the news |
| 00:12.20 | citral | oKtosiTe, my disk too. |
| 00:12.20 | evan_d | is it possible to make a deb archive that somehow auths with ldap? I thought of doing mod_ldap in apache and then passing the username and then deb http://username:pass but that sends the passwords cleartext afaik |
| 00:12.31 | oKtosiTe | citral: ;-D |
| 00:12.33 | cafuego | greycat: Google would NEVER do anythig dastardly with our private information, they're not evil like oracle or microsoft, are they? |
| 00:12.55 | citral | never say never... |
| 00:13.02 | mosty | any public company is liable to turn |
| 00:13.12 | cafuego | nvz: Yeah, just having a think... "partially sorted pile of trivia" perhaps ;-) |
| 00:13.18 | Weeble | Google might sell our privates? |
| 00:13.32 | greycat | Weeble: no, just information about our privates. |
| 00:13.32 | stew | mosty: yeah, infact they owe it to their stock holders to start to turn a bit |
| 00:13.36 | cafuego | citral: I forgot the </sarcasm> |
| 00:13.37 | mosty | dondelelcaro, how does that windowshot look? is it just my imagination? |
| 00:13.40 | nvz | cafuego: heh, online trivail persuit upgrade site |
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| 00:13.52 | dondelelcaro | mosty: yeah, that's pretty normal. If you use xdvi it'll look slightly better... but the ps doesn't include screen fonts, so it'll look nasty |
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| 00:14.26 | oKtosiTe | thomas_adam: oss(/esd) |
| 00:14.29 | qbit | yay |
| 00:14.32 | peorparaelsol | hola |
| 00:14.42 | PerfDave | Could we stick http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php in the topic for the gmail stuff? :) |
| 00:14.44 | thomas_adam | oKtosiTe: Fine. Just change the symlink that /dev/dsp points to. |
| 00:14.46 | mosty | dondelelcaro, is there anything like xdvi closer to gv than ghostview? :) |
| 00:14.54 | greycat | PerfDave: no, put it in a factoid |
| 00:15.01 | nvz | yeah google news doesnt have news, but damn if it doesnt have links to it with timestamps, and alo pictures, to go with its headlines and abstracts |
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| 00:15.05 | PerfDave | greycat: Then we don't get to topicsmite people ;) |
| 00:15.21 | greycat | PerfDave: there will always be more rude newbies to topicsmite. |
| 00:15.22 | nvz | slashdot isnt even worth the time it takes to request the page |
| 00:15.38 | dondelelcaro | mosty: I don't quite follow you... |
| 00:15.48 | asg | nvz: but it provides a nice indicator of when morons are likely to show up here and ask for stuff they saw there |
| 00:16.00 | Weeble | all the time? |
| 00:16.02 | PerfDave | But normally I'll buy a hardcopy newspaper and read that if I want to kill time ;) |
| 00:16.23 | cafuego | the problem with /. is that they appear to not be able to use a bloody spell checker |
| 00:16.25 | nvz | asg: I have already pointed out it does nothing useful ;) |
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| 00:16.44 | nvz | asg: no need to show off what it does that is utterly annoying |
| 00:16.51 | mosty | dondelelcaro, xdvi uses an ancient widget set like ghostview. is there anything a little more modern, similar to how gv is compared to ghostview? |
| 00:16.52 | asg | nvz: bha |
| 00:16.59 | PerfDave | asg: I thought people only read it for the articles? Or is that Playboy? ;) |
| 00:17.00 | asg | oops, I sheeped |
| 00:17.15 | asg | PerfDave: I only look at the pictures |
| 00:17.27 | nvz | yeah playboy is about as bad as /. |
| 00:17.45 | nvz | most people I am sure buy that thinking about nude women |
| 00:17.47 | PerfDave | Nah, Playboy occasionally has some useful information about computing ;0 |
| 00:17.54 | nvz | and you open it up and they will sell you everything but |
| 00:17.57 | greycat | and much better pr0n |
| 00:17.57 | level2 | anyone know tools for make 3d character or 3d animations in linux |
| 00:18.05 | nvz | PerfDave: heh |
| 00:18.17 | Weeble | yeah was gonna say, Playboy's articles are prolly rather better than /. |
| 00:18.20 | asg | greycat: more tasteful at least |
| 00:18.41 | Weeble | lets be honest, nobody that wants to just look at naked women buys playboy |
| 00:18.44 | thomas_adam | asg: You're married... |
| 00:18.46 | nvz | level2: blender |
| 00:18.56 | dondelelcaro | mosty: not to my knowledge... I've actually pretty much switched over to using pdflatex for almost everything now, and use xdvi only when I need to check something for ps output. |
| 00:18.56 | asg | thomas_adam: mrs. asg reads them too |
| 00:18.57 | g4lt | Weeble yeah, but playboy.com isn't free for the headlines ;P |
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| 00:19.08 | thomas_adam | Umm, err... |
| 00:19.10 | nvz | level2: only thing that comes to mind for me on 3d and linux |
| 00:19.21 | dondelelcaro | mosty: esp. since only pdflatex supports hyperref et al. |
| 00:19.40 | asg | thomas_adam: indeed, she buys them from time to time |
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| 00:19.54 | level2 | nvz:povray? |
| 00:19.56 | nvz | thomas_adam: thats why he said he only looks |
| 00:20.12 | Weeble | nn all |
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| 00:20.34 | Weeble | nun all |
| 00:20.36 | nvz | level2: no idea |
| 00:20.43 | mosty | dondelelcaro, fair enough. i should probably follow suit |
| 00:21.21 | nvz | level2: I got an S3 Virge video card, figrue that one out, I must do alot of 3d huh? |
| 00:21.21 | level2 | nvz:thanks |
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| 00:22.16 | phug | when I apt-get dist-upgrade does it not upgrade to the newest available kernel? |
| 00:22.33 | dondelelcaro | phug: no, because the newest kernel is a totally separate package |
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| 00:23.04 | phug | dondelelcaro: ok, so I just need to upgrade it manually (eg install the new, test, maybe uninstall the old)? |
| 00:23.12 | dondelelcaro | phug: yeah |
| 00:23.19 | abrotman | nice topic re: gmail |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | remember that debian hardened guy? .. it made slashdot |
| 00:24.07 | phug | dondelelcaro: if I have compiled some modules against a particular kernel source, will I always need to recompile them for a new kernel? |
| 00:24.11 | nvz | phug: when a new kernel is made, the package name changes, doesnt stay the same and the version changes like everything else |
| 00:24.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: does that mean you don't want one?:) |
| 00:24.23 | Conversion | Do you recomend the new kernel yet? Who would be best suited for it? |
| 00:24.36 | nvz | phug: yes if needed, new kernel may have built in support for them |
| 00:24.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: my space on my mail server is limited only by the number of harddrives I plug in... it's a whole lot bigger than 1G |
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| 00:25.30 | nvz | phug: like if you are upgrading from 2.2 or 2.4 to a 2.6, alot has changed, new kernel may support your hardware without those extra modules |
| 00:25.32 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you sohuld swithc to 500MB hdds :) |
| 00:25.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I think /boot is around 500M |
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| 00:26.36 | g4lt | dondelelcaro what werfe you smoking when you partitioned that, and do you have any left? |
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| 00:26.46 | nvz | I dont see anyone ever needing a 500mb boot its not like its a popular storage spot |
| 00:27.06 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: no, the drive itself is 500M |
| 00:27.32 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: I think I made all of it /boot since I didn't know what else to do with a hard drive that small |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:28.01 | nvz | I'd use it for swap |
| 00:28.10 | asg | dondelelcaro: would have made a decent /tmp on a small system |
| 00:28.13 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's too slow for swap... |
| 00:28.18 | nvz | probably work better than my 500mb swap on the same drive |
| 00:28.26 | PerfDave | 500Mb makes a decent small server :) |
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| 00:28.38 | nvz | would affect my pc much I am sure.. I dont have super fast anything ;) |
| 00:28.45 | nvz | would probably be an improvement |
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| 00:28.57 | dondelelcaro | although, it is just a celeron 466 or something |
| 00:29.02 | phug | I'm pretty confused. I recompiled the 2.4.21 kernel source b/c I needed a config option changed. So I produced kernel-headers-2.4.21_Custom.1_i386.deb and installed it, but in my /boot I only have initrd.img-(2.4.21-5-686|2.4.22-1-386) .. where is the 2.4.22-1 coming from? |
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| 00:29.28 | phug | whoops, I produced kernel-image-2.4.21_Custom.1_i386.deb as well and actually only installed that |
| 00:29.49 | smj | Sup Debianites... I'm about to roll out Debian Sarge onto my desktop in a bit. I'm testing it in VMWare a bit first so I work the kinks out. Is LILO the default boot loader? |
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| 00:29.56 | The_Ball | fetchmail - does anybody know if this is allowed? 'user * there is alex here' |
| 00:29.59 | asg | smj: no, grub |
| 00:30.02 | dondelelcaro | smj: grub is on i386 |
| 00:30.18 | smj | asg, dondelelcaro: Thanks. I'm glad to hear that. :-) |
| 00:30.19 | dondelelcaro | The_Ball: no, because it won't work. |
| 00:30.31 | dondelelcaro | The_Ball: fetchmail has to log on as some user. |
| 00:30.51 | The_Ball | dondelelcaro, ok, i think i see |
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| 00:31.31 | mtellez | I'm just installed debian stable, how can I get debian 2.6? |
| 00:31.44 | asg | mtellez: upgrade to sarge or /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
| 00:32.00 | smj | Also, isn't Sarge still in testing? |
| 00:32.09 | The_Ball | dondelelcaro, i get alot of messages with "Domain of sender address <some e-mail address> does not resolve" what should i do about that? |
| 00:32.12 | asg | smj: yes, but it will go stable soonishly |
| 00:32.29 | dondelelcaro | The_Ball: fix it so your sender address resolves. Whatever is in the From: should resolve. |
| 00:32.35 | smj | Sorry, I just realized that I'm blindly ignoring the topic. |
| 00:32.37 | mtellez | asg, thanks |
| 00:32.49 | The_Ball | dondelelcaro, but tese are spam messages, so they are not valid domains |
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| 00:33.40 | g4lt | The_Ball in that case reject with a 550 Go to hell ;P |
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| 00:33.53 | asg | g4lt: or |
| 00:34.00 | asg | g4lt: 550 gmail invites here ... |
| 00:34.06 | The_Ball | g4lt, i would rather that spamassassin get to see them and update it's database |
| 00:34.59 | g4lt | The_Ball once they get to SA, it's too late to reject |
| 00:35.29 | The_Ball | g4lt, but these messages are in a pop3 account, im just trying to get them down to my server |
| 00:35.46 | The_Ball | g4lt, so they are already accepted, no? |
| 00:36.35 | dondelelcaro | The_Ball: yeah, those you pretty much have to discard yourself... |
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| 00:37.07 | IrishKitty | whats current SATA support like ? |
| 00:37.08 | dondelelcaro | The_Ball: spamassassin does a kind-of ok job of recognizing them if you train the bayes database... but it still misses some of htem... |
| 00:37.11 | dondelelcaro | IrishKitty: it works. |
| 00:37.16 | IrishKitty | within linux that is :p |
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| 00:37.39 | IrishKitty | dondelelcaro: http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=1793243632&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=60614 would something liek that work out the box, what sort of kernel jibble would I need ? |
| 00:38.20 | phug | what package does /boot/initrd.img-xxx come from? |
| 00:39.05 | dondelelcaro | IrishKitty: you'll definetly need 2.6, but I have no clue about that card, since it's not a manufacturer that I recognize, and they don't list the chipset |
| 00:39.10 | asg | phug: kernel-image-* |
| 00:39.17 | IrishKitty | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 00:40.35 | abrotman | you don't *need* 2.6 .. but it makes the job easier |
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| 00:41.21 | oKtosiTe | 2.6 is easier alright |
| 00:41.22 | IrishKitty | talking of 2.6, I should continue this compile of 2.2 |
| 00:41.40 | dondelelcaro | IrishKitty: see http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more information about it |
| 00:41.41 | asg | captainwinky: it would be most helpful if you would tell the channel what your issue is |
| 00:41.48 | mosty | dondelelcaro, hmm, pdflatex produces pdf's that look the same as the postscript i have :/ |
| 00:41.58 | phug | I should install the "partition boot block" on the partition that /boot mounts to, right? |
| 00:41.59 | captainwinky | oh, np :) |
| 00:42.01 | dondelelcaro | mosty: eh? they shouldn't... |
| 00:42.10 | dondelelcaro | mosty: are you using custom fonts or something? |
| 00:42.25 | Randy | a |
| 00:42.31 | mosty | dondelelcaro, no |
| 00:42.33 | captainwinky | a program that i am using claims that wave input is already in use which renders my microphone unusable |
| 00:42.38 | abrotman | 2.2? |
| 00:42.46 | dondelelcaro | mosty: you're viewing the pdf using xpdf, right? |
| 00:42.52 | abrotman | holy mother it's sunday! |
| 00:43.05 | dondelelcaro | mosty: gv sucks at viewing pdfs. |
| 00:43.50 | mosty | ahh, it's much better in xpdf |
| 00:44.08 | abrotman | gnome-pdf isn't bad |
| 00:44.22 | phug | This kernel installer is asking if it should put the partition boot record on my main partition (/ = /dev/hda6) .. should I put it on /boot = /dev/hda1 instead? |
| 00:44.23 | smj | Anyone used Sarge under VMWare before? |
| 00:44.43 | smj | How do I get VMWare to bring up X on Sarge? |
| 00:44.47 | citral | smj, no, why ? |
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| 00:44.56 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, gpdf is just based on xpdf... |
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| 00:45.08 | asg | smj: you need to install the vmware-tools |
| 00:45.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: the old versino is .. i think the new is completely different |
| 00:45.16 | citral | hey crip is cool |
| 00:45.18 | smj | citral: Evidently X won't start. It keeps complaining that the mouse pointer doesn't exist. |
| 00:45.22 | smj | asg: Did that. |
| 00:45.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dunno, it still claims to be in the description... but then again, I don't use it |
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| 00:45.38 | nvz | smj: how is the mouse hooked to the host? |
| 00:45.40 | shifty | does debian support 64 bit yet? |
| 00:45.41 | asg | smj: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (choose the correct mouse protocol and device) |
| 00:45.45 | shifty | i mean is there a 64 bit version? |
| 00:45.45 | dondelelcaro | shifty: yes. |
| 00:45.53 | smj | asg: You kick ass dude! |
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| 00:45.57 | dondelelcaro | shifty: see ia64 or the amd64 discussions. |
| 00:45.58 | nvz | smj: I think vmware may convert ps2 mice to usb |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: does gpdf == gnomepdf? |
| 00:46.14 | shifty | dondelelcaro: does it work? |
| 00:46.25 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I think so... since I couldn't find gnomepdf or gnome-pdf |
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| 00:46.30 | asg | smj: I'm using /dev/psaux and ExplorerPS/2 here |
| 00:46.39 | dondelelcaro | shifty: yes. |
| 00:47.02 | asg | abrotman: gpdf is crap compared to xpdf |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | the next version damn you people :) |
| 00:47.28 | asg | abrotman: the interface is a little nicer but the result is horrible |
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| 00:48.44 | gnumdk | hello |
| 00:48.48 | Johnny5 | hi |
| 00:48.57 | gnumdk | i've got a problem after installing sarge and upgrade to sid :/ |
| 00:49.09 | PerfDave | !tell gnumdk about sid upgrade |
| 00:49.22 | Johnny5 | wow, you guys ban a lot of people |
| 00:49.35 | asg | gnumdk: can you elaborate on the problem? |
| 00:49.48 | gnumdk | with debian kernel, pppoe module is loaded and pppoe is working, with an official kernel.org, no pppoe(obsolete) and pppd is not working :( |
| 00:49.58 | asg | Johnny5: a lot of people are morons |
| 00:50.02 | captainwinky | !tell me about sid upgrade |
| 00:50.19 | asg | captainwinky: you can also use /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 00:50.34 | Johnny5 | hmmm |
| 00:50.37 | cafuego | asg: Stop talking about me as if I'm not here. |
| 00:50.49 | Johnny5 | asg, I have old Debian CDs and I don't know if they will see my modem |
| 00:50.51 | asg | cafuego: meta-moron? |
| 00:50.55 | Johnny5 | I read online that I have a win modem |
| 00:50.56 | captainwinky | asg: okay, thanks |
| 00:51.04 | Johnny5 | my modem doesn't work in knoppix |
| 00:51.21 | Johnny5 | and my friend said that knoppix is like a live cd debian |
| 00:51.23 | smj | asg: The /dev/psaux was the magical device. Thanks dude. |
| 00:51.26 | asg | Johnny5: if it won't work in knoppix, it won't likely work in debian (esp. with old install discs) |
| 00:51.31 | asg | smj: :) you're welcome |
| 00:51.33 | cafuego | Johnny5: No, knoppix is a live linux cd. Not debian. |
| 00:51.37 | abrotman | i give up .. i can't find it |
| 00:51.42 | asg | abrotman: find what? |
| 00:51.48 | Johnny5 | hold on, I'll tell you what my CDs say |
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| 00:51.56 | Johnny5 | I don't have a burner and my friend gave them to me |
| 00:52.10 | abrotman | asg: my sanity |
| 00:52.14 | Johnny5 | Debian 30r1 |
| 00:52.14 | cafuego | Johnny5: Still, you saved $300 by not using windows, so now you can afford a decent $40 hardware modem ;-) |
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| 00:52.22 | asg | abrotman: ah, drink more. It helps. |
| 00:52.34 | Johnny5 | no I'm using Windows now |
| 00:52.40 | abrotman | asg: nah .. nother rough weekend . bachelor party |
| 00:52.44 | phug | I'm concerned that I don't have an initrd.img for the kernel I just compiled/installed in my /boot ... should I be? |
| 00:52.45 | Johnny5 | I've had this computer for since 1999 |
| 00:52.53 | Johnny5 | it has Windows 98SE |
| 00:52.56 | asg | abrotman: all the more reason to have more to help smooth things out ;) |
| 00:52.58 | shifty | for amd64 do i get ia64 format? |
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| 00:53.16 | cafuego | shifty: No. |
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| 00:53.23 | cafuego | shifty: You get amd64. |
| 00:53.24 | asg | phug: if you didn't compile it with initrd support, you won't have one |
| 00:53.28 | shifty | cafuego: i dont see that |
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| 00:53.34 | smj | Debian Sarge looks NICE!!!!! |
| 00:53.35 | cafuego | shifty: You after an install iso? |
| 00:53.42 | asg | phug: make sure you didn't compile your ide controller and other essentials as modules and you will be fine |
| 00:53.51 | shifty | cafuego: yes, or net-install iso |
| 00:53.57 | cafuego | shifty: Just a moment |
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| 00:53.59 | abrotman | shifty: amd64!=ia64 |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | shifty: ia64 is itanium |
| 00:54.13 | smj | asg: Are you running VMWare with Debian as the host OS? |
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| 00:54.24 | abrotman | shifty: ask the people in #debian-amd64 |
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| 00:54.43 | shifty | abrotman: whats itanium? |
| 00:54.48 | abrotman | !itanium |
| 00:54.48 | dpkg | somebody said itanium was intels 64 bit processor, or vaporware |
| 00:54.55 | abrotman | ok .. not vaporware |
| 00:55.10 | LSorensen | abrotman: their sales are vaporware :) |
| 00:55.13 | phug | asg: is that CONFIG_PARIDE ? |
| 00:55.19 | shifty | ok so its the same thing? |
| 00:55.21 | abrotman | LSorensen: i suppose so |
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| 00:55.31 | abrotman | shifty: no |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | !AMD64 |
| 00:55.34 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or, and https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | maybe we should have a link to the amd website |
| 00:55.54 | LSorensen | abrotman: they rival the sales of the altair 8800 :) |
| 00:55.55 | Johnny5 | asg, can I get my modem to work with bf2.4 install? |
| 00:55.59 | clement | !arm |
| 00:55.59 | dpkg | hmm... arm is Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/, or best supported in #debian-arm |
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| 00:56.02 | abrotman | LSorensen: not that good :) |
| 00:56.03 | Nurbs | uh. gnome 2.8 in debian :) |
| 00:56.04 | cafuego | shifty: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ |
| 00:56.06 | Johnny5 | I read bf2.4 supports more |
| 00:56.11 | abrotman | Nurbs: in sid? |
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| 00:56.23 | LSorensen | joh: is it a real modem? |
| 00:56.31 | cafuego | !amd64 is also See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. |
| 00:56.32 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
| 00:56.37 | Johnny5 | LSorensen, are you talking to me? |
| 00:56.38 | Nurbs | abrotman: experimental of course X) |
| 00:56.41 | LSorensen | Johnny5: yeah |
| 00:56.44 | Nurbs | but 2.8.0-1 |
| 00:56.55 | Johnny5 | well of course it's real |
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| 00:56.58 | Johnny5 | I'm talking to you now |
| 00:57.00 | shifty | is the install for amd64 any different then x86? |
| 00:57.03 | LSorensen | joh: using linux? |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | Nurbs: oh .. i knew that .. but 2.8 isn't official yet afaik |
| 00:57.08 | Johnny5 | no |
| 00:57.10 | phug | how do I get initrd.img to be built when I compile a kernel? is it in the config or a cmd line opt? |
| 00:57.11 | Johnny5 | Windows 98SE |
| 00:57.18 | LSorensen | Johnny5: then how do you know it's a real modem? |
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| 00:57.23 | cafuego | shifty: Nope, pretty much identical. I've used it, works fine. |
| 00:57.30 | Johnny5 | ummm |
| 00:57.33 | bonez39 | I have mozilla-firefox running...I want to run mozilla-composer....yet, even if I can launch mozilla, and then composer from within it....as soon as I type a few letters on the composer page...it closes and mozilla closes too.....consistently, every time..... |
| 00:57.35 | Johnny5 | it's real |
| 00:57.36 | cafuego | LSorensen: He said it was a winmodem, so no, it's not real. |
| 00:57.37 | jbr | Johnny5: winmodem != real modem |
| 00:57.37 | LSorensen | Johnny5: lots of windows only software controlled crap exists |
| 00:57.37 | derek_ | does anyone in here know alot about apache2, no one in #apache has a clue but it seems to be a very simple and common problem |
| 00:57.37 | Johnny5 | it exists |
| 00:57.50 | Johnny5 | oh |
| 00:57.51 | smj | phug: initrd has to be built separately |
| 00:57.56 | Johnny5 | well how do I know if a modem is real? |
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| 00:58.16 | cafuego | Johnny5: if linux sees it as /dev/ttySX it's real. |
| 00:58.25 | rage_ | is there a good console-only vnc viewer for debian? |
| 00:58.27 | LSorensen | Johnny5: if you can put it in a dos machine and have it work, it's a real modem. if you can plug it into and NT4 machine and have it work without loading any drivers, it's a real modem |
| 00:58.35 | clement | derek_: it probably only seems to be simple then ;) |
| 00:58.35 | shifty | who sent me this link http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ ? |
| 00:58.43 | cafuego | shifty: I did. |
| 00:58.47 | LSorensen | joh: if it comes with a driver disk, then it's probably not a real modem |
| 00:58.50 | shifty | cafuego: was that the testing or unstable? |
| 00:58.53 | Nurbs | abrotman: well, but it is 2.8.0-1, so there's probably been at least some internal version tagging at least... debian packages before were 2.7.9x... *shrug* not that it really matters :) |
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| 00:59.02 | cafuego | shifty: Looks like unstable. |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | shifty: go to #debian-amd64 .. they will help you more than any of us |
| 00:59.11 | cafuego | shifty: Either way, worked fine for me :-) |
| 00:59.27 | derek_ | no, its crazy, im trying to load a module and it says its loaded but... it doesn't work |
| 00:59.31 | Johnny5 | what about bootloader |
| 00:59.40 | Johnny5 | I hear lilo is better but that debian uses grub |
| 00:59.44 | LSorensen | Johnny5: many software modems (winmodems) do not work with linux. some have crappy binary only drivers that sometimes work. they don't work with the installer though, only later once you have installed a bunch of extra stuff |
| 01:00.03 | thomas_adam | Johnny5: You hear these rumours from www.trolltrolltroll.com ? |
| 01:00.04 | cafuego | Johnny5: neithger grub nor lilo is better. Debian can sue both. |
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| 01:00.21 | phug | smj: I only changed one usb option in the kernel; can I use the same initrd that came w/ the stock debian kernel, then? |
| 01:00.23 | LSorensen | Johnny5: no grub is far better, and debian uses lilo in 3.0 (stable) and choice of lilo and grub (grub default) in sarge (3.1 testing) |
| 01:00.40 | yo | exit |
| 01:00.44 | abrotman | woody has grub |
| 01:00.45 | thomas_adam | LSorensen: Or, not and - never both at the same time. |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | yo: exit! |
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| 01:01.13 | smj | phug: I don't believe you can. Which version of the kernel are you using? |
| 01:01.26 | phug | smj: 2.4.21 |
| 01:01.44 | Shiggity | Is there any known problems with the Debian installer RC1 where it would cause GRUB to malfunction (Display the word 'grub' over and over again) on first boot? |
| 01:01.49 | abrotman | Nurbs: gnome2.8 is supposed to be released tomorrow so says gnome.org/start/2.7 |
| 01:01.55 | smj | phug: Nope. You have to create a new initrd. |
| 01:02.00 | cafuego | Shiggity: No, grub is far better. |
| 01:02.04 | LSorensen | phug: when you changed the option, did you even start from the debian config? |
| 01:02.12 | smj | phug: I'm not sure how one goes about doing it in Debian, sorry. |
| 01:02.16 | Nurbs | abrotman: yeah, found it, too :) |
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| 01:02.26 | Nurbs | abrotman: damn, debian is fast *g* |
| 01:02.27 | Johnny5 | hmmm |
| 01:02.30 | phug | LSorensen: yes, I copied the one from the 2.4.21-5 in /boot/ into the src tree and built using it |
| 01:02.42 | Shiggity | cafuego, It's supposed to be using grub. It apparently is, but something is going wrong on the first boot. |
| 01:02.50 | Johnny5 | thomas_adam, I came straight from that site |
| 01:02.58 | thomas_adam | Johnny5: :) |
| 01:03.00 | Nurbs | abrotman: actually, it is today in this timezone |
| 01:03.07 | cafuego | Shiggity: Is it installed properly? menu.lst ok? |
| 01:03.19 | abrotman | Nurbs: who releases on anything but EST? |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:03.37 | Nurbs | abrotman: uhm. europeans? :) |
| 01:03.49 | kurumin_ | speak portuguese? |
| 01:03.53 | Shiggity | cafuego, I don't think it is installing properly. I havn't checked for menu.lst after this last try. |
| 01:03.56 | Johnny5 | thomas_adam, do you use Windows 98SE too? |
| 01:03.57 | cafuego | Nurbs: I'm on EST too, mate. |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | Nurbs: no way .. they all do it at the close of business so they don't get bothered :) |
| 01:04.04 | cafuego | !portuguese |
| 01:04.04 | dpkg | i heard portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:04.14 | thomas_adam | Johnny5: No, only windows 3.1 |
| 01:04.21 | thomas_adam | progman.exe! |
| 01:04.24 | Johnny5 | oh yeah |
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| 01:04.31 | Johnny5 | 3.1 is cool |
| 01:04.40 | Johnny5 | my older computer likes it |
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| 01:05.04 | cafuego | Shiggity: You cna do a rescue boot using the cd (Boot with rescue root=/dev/hdXY ro) then run /sbin/grub-install to reinstall it. |
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| 01:05.32 | Shiggity | cafuego, will try that thanks. |
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| 01:06.15 | abrotman | cafuego: yummy! |
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| 01:07.16 | BullWeivez | i am remoted into a box that is about 2 hours away. Just did shutdown -r now and it wont reboot...just gives me console again and don't reboot...idears??? |
| 01:07.27 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 01:07.44 | abrotman | type 'reboot' ? |
| 01:07.48 | BullWeivez | exactly...i do a shutdown -r now and it dont do nothing to the box (yep im root) |
| 01:07.49 | abrotman | not that it woudl be any different |
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| 01:07.59 | BullWeivez | nope |
| 01:08.02 | BullWeivez | i dont get this. |
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| 01:08.19 | abrotman | which init level is reboot? 6 or 0 ? |
| 01:08.21 | BullWeivez | i have never seen a box not let you reboot it (i know were all uptime whores..but this is rediculous hehee) |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | or maybe neither |
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| 01:08.32 | BullWeivez | uhh not sure...how do i tell? |
| 01:08.34 | citral | abrotman, 6 I think |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | BullWeivez: been hacked? |
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| 01:08.44 | BullWeivez | not sure...trying to figure that out right now. |
| 01:08.54 | abrotman | so maybe shutdown is crap ... |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | do a which shutdown |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | where does it go? |
| 01:09.18 | BullWeivez | bahh sbin/shutdown |
| 01:09.19 | derek_ | how do you do a normal shutdown? |
| 01:09.23 | cockroach | i'm having weird trouble with login.app - when i start it, x starts up (grey, pixeled background), immediately "crashes" (screen gets black), starts again (grey, pixeled background) and then stops doing anything at all. the console says "Login.app: could not load xpm image (image broken or corrupt)". kdm and startx work just fine. i also tried the package from stable but i get the same error (using testing, btw). any idea, anyone? |
| 01:09.27 | BullWeivez | i just use shutdown -r now |
| 01:09.30 | idnar | derek_: shutdown -h now ? |
| 01:09.36 | derek_ | ok, ty |
| 01:09.44 | BullWeivez | nope same thing... |
| 01:09.46 | abrotman | BullWeivez: reboot does the same? |
| 01:09.48 | derek_ | i've been just pressing the button |
| 01:09.51 | BullWeivez | yeah same |
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| 01:09.57 | abrotman | derek_: huh? |
| 01:10.07 | BullWeivez | err...whats the name of that tool which checks for a root kit? |
| 01:10.08 | oKtosiTe | How do I swap my /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 around? |
| 01:10.30 | stew | BullWeivez: chkrootkit |
| 01:10.30 | derek_ | power button |
| 01:10.30 | abrotman | when? |
| 01:10.30 | derek_ | lol know i know |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | derek_: when do you hit the poower button? |
| 01:10.50 | citral | BullWeivez, because you are not alowed to do that from remote I think, you are using ssh ? |
| 01:10.51 | tct | what can I use to resize my xp partition to make more room for linux? |
| 01:10.52 | derek_ | when i shutdown, i couldn't figure out how in the man pages |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | BullWeivez: try `init 6` |
| 01:11.08 | abrotman | tct: ntfs? |
| 01:11.17 | BullWeivez | ahh any idea on how i can make amessage pop up on the screen??? I need to send a message to the idiot tech who is siitting there..since he gave me the wrong damn phone number (damn it!) |
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| 01:11.25 | abrotman | derek_: does it say 'power down now' ? |
| 01:11.29 | smj | Where does one go for mplayer? |
| 01:11.29 | tct | isnt xp ntfs by default? |
| 01:11.33 | abrotman | BullWeivez: init 6 |
| 01:11.35 | kurumin_ | i have difficult to communicate in english... my '/var/lib/dpkg/available' was corrupted |
| 01:11.37 | stew | smj: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | tct: that wasn't what i asked you |
| 01:11.42 | tct | yes it is ntfs though |
| 01:11.46 | smj | stew: Thanks. |
| 01:11.52 | abrotman | !parted |
| 01:11.52 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 01:11.55 | BullWeivez | i just tried init 6...now what? shutdown -r now? |
| 01:12.01 | abrotman | does it let you redo ntfs? |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | BullWeivez: init 6 does nothing? |
| 01:12.14 | BullWeivez | nada |
| 01:12.19 | BullWeivez | just goes to next line in the console |
| 01:12.30 | tct | thanks |
| 01:12.32 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:12.36 | abrotman | tct: wait. |
| 01:12.47 | abrotman | BullWeivez: have the tech guy pull the plug> |
| 01:12.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:13.03 | BullWeivez | oh thats interesting... ns1:/Web/logs/corp# shutdown -r now Broadcast message from root (pts/0) (Tue Sep 14 20:12:24 2004): The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 01:13.03 | BullWeivez | init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 01:13.04 | abrotman | !ntfs resize |
| 01:13.04 | dpkg | ntfs resize is probably http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 01:13.11 | abrotman | tct: but please backup first |
| 01:13.18 | BullWeivez | that last part is something new. |
| 01:13.20 | jbr | BullWeivez: (curious) do you see shutdown processes in ps? |
| 01:13.22 | BullWeivez | never seen that part before. |
| 01:13.26 | tct | =.= |
| 01:13.31 | idnar | BullWeivez: that doesn't sound good |
| 01:13.32 | abrotman | tct: yes .. backups |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | they are good |
| 01:13.48 | abrotman | makedev? |
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| 01:13.59 | BullWeivez | jbr: hrmm..what woudl they look like? (i dont see a shutdown when i do ps -aux though) |
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| 01:14.04 | tct | everytime I touched the partitions in xp it crashed |
| 01:14.10 | abrotman | BullWeivez: ls -l /dev/initctl |
| 01:14.22 | citral | everytime I saw XP it crashed... |
| 01:14.28 | BullWeivez | prw------- 1 root root 3840 Sep 14 20:11 /dev/initctl |
| 01:14.36 | abrotman | that's just wierd |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 01:14.46 | za | Debian is on /. |
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| 01:15.08 | abrotman | za: i said earlier |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | za: that guy was here the other day asking how to get it into debian |
| 01:15.21 | za | abrotman, ah. Bringer of old news, me |
| 01:15.35 | citral | prw------- 1 root root 0 Sep 14 03:03 /dev/initctl |
| 01:15.39 | za | heh |
| 01:15.40 | citral | it's normal |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | !tell za about slashdot |
| 01:15.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:15.49 | abrotman | oh .. damn it |
| 01:16.16 | abrotman | !i suck |
| 01:16.31 | smj | !tell smj about slashdot |
| 01:16.43 | Johnny5 | is Debian hard install for first time linux user? |
| 01:16.50 | Johnny5 | I used PHLAK and knoppix before |
| 01:16.58 | Johnny5 | but never installed |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | smj: it's actually a command |
| 01:17.04 | citral | Johnny5, then it's in the pocket |
| 01:17.06 | za | Johnny5, no. Not hard. At all. |
| 01:17.08 | smj | abrotman: Yeah, I see that now. :-) |
| 01:17.10 | BullWeivez | hrmm...maybe that did it... shutdown -n -r now |
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| 01:17.17 | BullWeivez | i did get kicked out of hte screen. |
| 01:17.22 | BullWeivez | not sure if thats a good thing though ;) |
| 01:17.30 | Johnny5 | citral, in the pocket? |
| 01:17.53 | Guerin | Johnny5: can you read? |
| 01:17.59 | Johnny5 | yes |
| 01:18.02 | za | "Wanna mount my hardened woody?" |
| 01:18.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:18.05 | za | ho ho ho |
| 01:18.06 | Guerin | Johnny5: then you can install and use debian. |
| 01:18.16 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:18.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install guide is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ or http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst or if you're totally clueless read http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=1 too |
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| 01:18.35 | citral | ohh segmentation fault from irssi |
| 01:18.36 | BullWeivez | lol totally clueless. |
| 01:18.37 | Johnny5 | I can't do netinstall |
| 01:18.44 | Guerin | Johnny5: why not/ |
| 01:18.45 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:18.45 | Johnny5 | I don't even know if my modem is real |
| 01:18.49 | Guerin | hehe |
| 01:18.53 | citral | my first core dump since one year at least |
| 01:19.00 | Johnny5 | but I have CDs |
| 01:19.04 | Johnny5 | but I don't know |
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| 01:19.09 | Guerin | google all your hardware before starting |
| 01:19.09 | Johnny5 | I have CDs 1-7 |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | citral: what's a core dump? |
| 01:19.17 | Johnny5 | I don't know if I need the other ones |
| 01:19.21 | Johnny5 | I know I need 1 and 5 |
| 01:19.27 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | oh never mind |
| 01:19.31 | abrotman | i don't want to know |
| 01:19.34 | citral | abrotman, an image of the ram at the segfault moment, for debugging |
| 01:19.44 | abrotman | citral: can it make eggs? |
| 01:19.51 | citral | abrotman, yes. |
| 01:20.00 | citral | it can cook them too |
| 01:20.03 | Guerin | scrambled eggs? |
| 01:20.03 | abrotman | (citral hopefully knows i know what a core dump is) |
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| 01:20.25 | abrotman | citral: i went to college to be a programmer/developer .. i know what a core dump is :) |
| 01:20.33 | citral | abrotman, :) |
| 01:20.33 | Guerin | hehe |
| 01:20.36 | g4lt | abrotman it can't boil them very well, it tends to burn the water.... |
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| 01:20.58 | abrotman | citral: matter of fact .. i made a good one the other day goofing with a friend with some wierd memo stuff in C |
| 01:21.05 | citral | abrotman, my description was ok I hope ? |
| 01:21.15 | abrotman | citral: mostly |
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| 01:21.50 | abrotman | it was something for .. uhm .. fibonacci numbers .. but it would cheat and do fib(33) in like .2 seconds |
| 01:22.00 | Festerdublin | hello.. would someone please have a moment to help me with IPTABLES? |
| 01:22.01 | abrotman | !core |
| 01:22.01 | dpkg | hmm... core is cool :), or joo daddy, or the pimp, or psycho |
| 01:22.03 | citral | My first distro was mandrake ppc, I had a core dump every hour. |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:22.18 | za | abrotman, cheat? Binet ? |
| 01:22.18 | abrotman | Festerdublin: you can try .. but #iptables might be better |
| 01:22.32 | abrotman | za: i'd have ot paste it .. it was memo stuff=ish |
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| 01:22.52 | abrotman | err .. i'm sorry .. fib(33) in 2microseconds |
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| 01:23.19 | abrotman | it's called memoized |
| 01:23.20 | Guerin | wtf is a fibonacci number? |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | !fibonacci |
| 01:23.28 | Guerin | and can IT make me scrambled eggs? |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | dpkg: you suck |
| 01:23.30 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
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| 01:24.26 | citral | dpkg, punish abrotman for making as if he didn't knew what a core dump is |
| 01:24.31 | za | Guerin, 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,... |
| 01:24.34 | tct | dam you have to pay for xchat on windows now |
| 01:24.39 | tct | :/ |
| 01:24.47 | citral | tct, ahahaha |
| 01:24.51 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number |
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| 01:24.59 | abrotman | Guerin: ^^ |
| 01:25.00 | Guerin | I see |
| 01:25.19 | Guerin | they must get pretty hard to calculate when you get to the 109372th one |
| 01:25.37 | tct | grrrr, free software isnt that free after all ;/ |
| 01:25.38 | za | Guerin, not really |
| 01:25.47 | Guerin | tct: it is if you use free sopftware |
| 01:25.48 | za | Guerin, there are formulas to find the n'th |
| 01:25.59 | abrotman | Guerin: it's not to calculate .. just slow . and numbers get .. ginormous |
| 01:26.07 | Guerin | tct: it's not if you use non-free software, like the windows version of xchat |
| 01:26.14 | Guerin | right |
| 01:26.17 | citral | frpee sopftwares are goopd |
| 01:26.18 | tct | sopftware? |
| 01:26.21 | za | (Plus its a nice easy recursive algorithm example) |
| 01:26.24 | Guerin | by hard, I meant cpu-intensive |
| 01:26.29 | za | except that is slow as all hell |
| 01:26.30 | abrotman | not really at all |
| 01:26.30 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.41 | abrotman | Guerin: it's very simple math ... very very simple |
| 01:26.47 | tct | !free |
| 01:26.47 | dpkg | somebody said free was defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 01:27.03 | Guerin | abrotman: so why is it slow? |
| 01:27.14 | Guerin | abrotman: simply because the numbers are so large? |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | Guerin: most solutions are recursive |
| 01:27.27 | za | (1 / sqrt(5) ) * (phi.^n - psi.^n) <-- Binets formula for the n'th Fib number. |
| 01:27.47 | abrotman | Guerin: so lots of stack changes .. and lots of numbers |
| 01:27.52 | Guerin | right |
| 01:27.53 | za | where phi = (1 + sqrt(5)) / 2 and psi = (1 - sqrt(5)) / 2 |
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| 01:28.12 | Guerin | that all means practically nothing to my mathematically challenged brain |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | Guerin: it can actually be done one liner |
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| 01:28.34 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | that's disgusting :) |
| 01:28.50 | za | *nod* |
| 01:29.17 | phug | is there a reason to make things you know you're always going to be using in the kernel modules instead of builtin? |
| 01:29.21 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's not right |
| 01:29.36 | Encrypted | Anyone in the room familiar or running debian potato on oldworld ppc? |
| 01:29.41 | Randy | is there a rule I can set to make it so that A single hop in my traceroute would stop showing up? |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:29.44 | dpkg | [ppc] short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:29.56 | sam_ | nah |
| 01:29.58 | sam_ | sparc for me |
| 01:30.04 | Guerin | phug: not really ... it's just recommended that you build sound and network as modules, because they're more flexible that way. |
| 01:30.06 | abrotman | !win sam_ |
| 01:30.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, sam_! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 01:30.12 | Encrypted | Exactly. |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | but it's something like that |
| 01:30.14 | sam_ | yay |
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| 01:30.27 | Encrypted | Thanks. |
| 01:30.30 | za | abrotman, tic; binets_formula(1:1000000); toc Elapsed time is 0.779708 seconds. (the first million in less than a second) |
| 01:30.43 | sam_ | !!! |
| 01:30.43 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:30.46 | citral | it is Space |
| 01:31.01 | abrotman | za: of all fibs? |
| 01:31.13 | za | abrotman, yeah |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | za: no .. that's not right |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | za: you would break your computer |
| 01:31.36 | za | abrotman, how so ? :) |
| 01:31.40 | abrotman | za: fib(45ish) is larger than 32bit |
| 01:31.44 | abrotman | can handle |
| 01:31.47 | citral | nvz, for example, you need to get an extra keyboard config on french ibook, or you can't type @ and so on... |
| 01:31.51 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:31.54 | Encrypted | dpkg: Thanks for the info. |
| 01:31.54 | dpkg | no worries, Encrypted |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | za: i'd have to double check |
| 01:32.05 | za | abrotman, its about 1.134903170000002e+09 |
| 01:32.24 | nvz | citral: doesnt sound like anything I would switch to ppc for ;) |
| 01:32.40 | abrotman | za: is tha tall? |
| 01:32.45 | za | abrotman, 450 is about 4.953967011875142e+93 |
| 01:32.55 | abrotman | citral: what does that have to do with ppc? |
| 01:32.56 | nvz | citral: I can pull my @ key off this wireless keyboard on my VAIO if I wanted to |
| 01:33.02 | za | abrotman, octave/matlab rock |
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| 01:33.10 | abrotman | za: heh |
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| 01:33.16 | The_Ball | :q |
| 01:33.17 | abrotman | za: i forgot where the cutoff was |
| 01:33.19 | citral | nvz, the config is a little bit tricky sometimes, but it is very stable when installed. And ibook have the best keyboards and screens imho |
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| 01:33.44 | abrotman | za: i can distracted for about a week in college by sequential pythagorean triples |
| 01:33.45 | oKtosiTe | How long will it take xorg to enter testing? |
| 01:33.49 | ha[Y]nguy | what kernel sources does the debian installation of knoppix have? |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | !xorg |
| 01:33.53 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is an alternative X implementation (a fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from the X.Org Foundation - the current release is X11R6.8. It will not be packaged for Debian until after the Sarge release. At that time, Debian will probably go with the new modular packages of X.org, if it is ready, or the monolithic release if not. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040712.051027.74293658.html for more information . |
| 01:33.59 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: ^^ |
| 01:34.03 | nvz | citral: oh I know that the laptops are built stronger, but what I am saying is I dont see whats special about ppc, this has absolutly nothing to do with ibooks |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | ha[Y]nguy: this isn't #knoppix .. we have no idea |
| 01:34.12 | joecool | hey, in the topic, does that mean they need gmail invites, cause i have 6 |
| 01:34.26 | ha[Y]nguy | #knoppix might as well be like...#brick wall of no one talking |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | joecool: no .. noone wants any |
| 01:34.28 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: thank you |
| 01:34.32 | joecool | abrotman: chill, debian is related |
| 01:34.36 | abrotman | ha[Y]nguy: we still don't know |
| 01:34.46 | ha[Y]nguy | hmm |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | joecool: chill about what? |
| 01:34.50 | BullWeivez | whats the easiest linux command to type to tell you how much ram is free? |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | free |
| 01:34.55 | citral | nvz, the question was about old world ppc machine, they ar quiet special |
| 01:35.07 | abrotman | joecool: chill about what? |
| 01:35.13 | smj | abrotman: That's not a very easy command to type. |
| 01:35.16 | joecool | abrotman: if he asked about the gentoo livecd, then yeah, tell him to go elsewhere, but knoppix is debian.. so why not |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | joecool: the fuck it is |
| 01:35.27 | citral | !knoppix |
| 01:35.27 | dpkg | somebody said knoppix was a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based mostly on Debian testing. It has almost 2GB in compressed volume, works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/knoppix.php, /join #knoppix for knoppix-specific stuff. Not Debian but similar. |
| 01:35.36 | abrotman | joecool: knoppix is not debian .. /topic if you need more proof |
| 01:35.38 | citral | based on debianb |
| 01:35.39 | ha[Y]nguy | debian is on the cd |
| 01:35.52 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 01:35.52 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 01:35.54 | ha[Y]nguy | it supports debian packages too |
| 01:35.55 | joecool | abrotman: you can do a debian install with knoppix |
| 01:36.00 | abrotman | no .. you can't |
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| 01:36.12 | ha[Y]nguy | yeah u can |
| 01:36.15 | citral | ha[Y]nguy, yes, but debian don't support it :D |
| 01:36.15 | ha[Y]nguy | I did it |
| 01:36.19 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:36.19 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 01:36.31 | ha[Y]nguy | !you |
| 01:36.31 | dpkg | p!dn+s os`n |
| 01:36.35 | abrotman | no .. you can't .. it's not debian . it's a bastardized knoppix/debian pile of crap |
| 01:36.51 | ha[Y]nguy | i doubt it |
| 01:36.53 | yhg | !nel |
| 01:36.56 | ha[Y]nguy | its almost the same... |
| 01:36.57 | citral | !doubt |
| 01:36.57 | dpkg | i heard doubt is When in doubt, cafuego is always right. |
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| 01:37.05 | za | yhg, ne*one* |
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| 01:37.10 | joecool | abrotman: you can do an install with it dumbass, you can even install gentoo with it if you so desired |
| 01:37.13 | abrotman | ha[Y]nguy: exactly . it's almost the same .. this isn't horseshoes or handgrenades |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | joecool: it's not debian |
| 01:37.24 | jbr | joecool: and that makes it gentoo, right? |
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| 01:37.35 | ha[Y]nguy | abrotman, whats so different? |
| 01:37.43 | joecool | jbr: i wanted to prove a point, you can do a debian install from knoppix |
| 01:37.53 | g4lt | joecool you are the dumbass here |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | ha[Y]nguy: it didn't start as debian .. and you can't be guaranteed that all the packages are from debian .. it's not debian |
| 01:38.01 | ha[Y]nguy | g4lt, you are too |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:38.17 | ha[Y]nguy | they are.. |
| 01:38.17 | g4lt | ha[Y]nguy just fuck right the hell off |
| 01:38.19 | joecool | god, i hate distro channels |
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| 01:38.47 | abrotman | jeebus |
| 01:38.50 | oKtosiTe | lol |
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