| 00:00.13 | caspercba | guestish: ok |
| 00:00.32 | Xenguy | BTW does anyone reading this have (good or bad) experience with 'txt2tags' ? |
| 00:00.52 | deadcat | are there any live distros for powerpc? |
| 00:01.03 | daxxar | how can i refetch / reinstall one file from a package? |
| 00:01.14 | deadcat | daxxar: reinstall the pkg |
| 00:01.18 | daxxar | (i accidentally deleted a dist-config file which i hadn't edited) |
| 00:01.20 | guestish | deadcat: the debian install cd has a rescue image on it |
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| 00:01.31 | deadcat | guestish: thanks |
| 00:01.40 | deadcat | daxxar: apt-get install pkgname --reinstall |
| 00:01.49 | guestish | deadcat: also there are gentoo livecds for it |
| 00:01.57 | deadcat | daxxar: or dpkg -X pkgname.deb /tmp/blah |
| 00:02.01 | emin | what do i search for when i need a plugin for my browser so that i can watch video like .wmv and .mov inside a website? |
| 00:02.06 | deadcat | guestish: thank you sir. |
| 00:02.07 | areels | is there any gui to configure network settings ? |
| 00:02.09 | guestish | np :) |
| 00:02.15 | areels | only way is using ifconfig ? |
| 00:02.22 | caphuso | daxxar: apt-get -d --reinstall install package; dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/package*.deb |
| 00:02.43 | daxxar | -d? |
| 00:02.50 | daxxar | ah, download? |
| 00:02.51 | caphuso | -d! |
| 00:02.52 | jsn | <whine>Freenode works, but when I join undernet, it doesn't... /join results in 329 #channame message, and "no channel joined in window" (using tkirc)</whine> |
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| 00:02.56 | caphuso | yes, download |
| 00:02.59 | bernie_ | Hello all |
| 00:03.16 | bitsko | how can I tell what kernel config option is the module 'ide-core'? |
| 00:03.17 | daxxar | thanks a lot caphuso :) |
| 00:03.17 | jsn | You are all way too worthy for me. |
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| 00:03.44 | deadcat | jsn: whos your daddy? |
| 00:04.14 | Xenguy | deadcat: love that slap-stick humour :p |
| 00:04.24 | deadcat | (= amen |
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| 00:05.05 | h2k | i can't see any toolbars in firefox after my unstable upgrade. have i missed something or is the .deb broken? |
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| 00:06.32 | DurDur | hello |
| 00:06.51 | guestish | hi |
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| 00:07.16 | jsn | deadcat: My father is a racist, mysoginist religious nut, let's not bring him into this, OK? |
| 00:07.26 | bernie_ | I just installed sarge with the RC1 installer, and I have no development tools, can anyone help? |
| 00:07.40 | h2k | bernie_, apt-get them |
| 00:07.41 | deadcat | jsn: sorry. )= |
| 00:08.06 | bernie_ | as a novice its rather hard to know what to apt-get to get gcc going |
| 00:08.26 | sussudio | bernie_: yes, it's so fucking hard to apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:08.53 | h2k | bernie_, apt-cache search gcc |
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| 00:09.26 | DurDur | I ve got a problem with logging under X. I must -stop-restart- networking-hotplug-gdm. If I don t, Connexion is very slow |
| 00:09.34 | caspercba | guestish: i'm ready |
| 00:09.41 | guestish | caspercba: alright, what kernel are you using? |
| 00:10.00 | sussudio | !tell DurDur about french |
| 00:10.03 | caspercba | guestish: 2.6.8-1 k7 |
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| 00:10.10 | guestish | caspercba: kernel image then |
| 00:10.19 | caspercba | guestish: rigth |
| 00:10.19 | guestish | caspercba: the module should already be in the kernel |
| 00:10.24 | bernie_ | thanks guys, thats all I needed build-essential |
| 00:10.38 | caspercba | guestish: yes, |
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| 00:10.48 | Randy | lol your name is bernie |
| 00:10.54 | Randy | lol. |
| 00:11.01 | guestish | caspercba: apt-get install modconf |
| 00:11.07 | sussudio | says "Randy". |
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| 00:11.12 | caspercba | guestish: ok |
| 00:11.17 | xerophyte | does anybody use firefox and if you can see this page http://www.vonage.ca/products.php i mean i can not see the product page |
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| 00:11.30 | DurDur | sussudio: sorry I don t understand what You tell to me ? |
| 00:11.36 | caspercba | guestish: already installed |
| 00:11.43 | guestish | caspercba: do modconf |
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| 00:11.49 | guestish | caspercba: as root |
| 00:11.50 | Randy | xero: use mozilla |
| 00:11.51 | sussudio | DurDur: you seem to be unable to word something that makes any sense whatsoever in English. try the french channel. |
| 00:11.52 | caspercba | guestish: ready |
| 00:11.58 | guestish | caspercba: are you in modconf? |
| 00:11.58 | Xenguy | xerophyte: it's flash |
| 00:12.06 | caspercba | guestish: yes |
| 00:12.11 | jsn | Can anyone recommend (by /msg, please) a IRC client that should work? TKIRC works on freenode, but isn't working (for me) on Undernet |
| 00:12.17 | sussudio | !msg me |
| 00:12.17 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg sussudio. |
| 00:12.19 | guestish | caspercba: scroll down to the very bottom |
| 00:12.38 | xerophyte | Xenguy i have firefox 9.3 i guess its not working for me i mean it load one time with so many different pictures |
| 00:12.43 | caspercba | guestish: /sound |
| 00:12.43 | Xenguy | jsn: irssi is good, or xchat |
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| 00:13.08 | caspercba | guestish: ready i'm at the bottom |
| 00:13.18 | guestish | caspercba: one sec, let me find the module name |
| 00:13.25 | guestish | via82xxx right? |
| 00:13.26 | caspercba | guestish: ok |
| 00:13.31 | deadcat | jesus. been waiting all day for this slut to sell me the goddamn ibook. )= |
| 00:13.38 | Xenguy | xerophyte: I assume you need a 'flash' plug-in... |
| 00:13.39 | caspercba | guestish: yes via82xxx |
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| 00:14.01 | DurDur | sussudio: OK I ll try the french channel again, but I have no reponse before.... |
| 00:14.10 | penis | hi, can someone tell me why my apt-get isent downloading the newest stable files? |
| 00:14.13 | Xenguy | xerophyte: you could try, for example -> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 00:14.14 | sussudio | slut? why would a slut sell you an ibook? try an authorized mac dealership. |
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| 00:14.17 | root__ | hi |
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| 00:14.35 | penis | i do a apt-get install proftpd and get version 1.2.5.rc1 |
| 00:14.45 | Adamo | hi when you background a program with & how do you return to it? |
| 00:15.06 | shinote | Adamo: control-Z, then fg |
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| 00:15.16 | root__ | hi |
| 00:15.28 | Randy | penis trys to do source |
| 00:15.33 | caspercba | Adamo: fg number, where number is found with the command jobs |
| 00:16.20 | Randy | penis: upgrade |
| 00:16.20 | guestish | caspercba: hrm, ok, open up sound/alsa/pci |
| 00:16.20 | manfriend | im running woody on an old pentium laptop and im having a hard time getting it aknowledge a pcmcia card |
| 00:16.20 | Tetsou | guys, how you like this ? http://213.114.85.96/~aka/ need some feedback on the design :) |
| 00:16.20 | caspercba | guestish: ok |
| 00:16.20 | Adamo | caspercba is the number the pid? |
| 00:16.20 | guestish | caspercba: or sound/pci |
| 00:16.20 | guestish | caspercba: i forget which it is |
| 00:16.21 | deadcat | Tetsou: you sick bastard. (= |
| 00:16.27 | penis | Randy, "trys to do source" <- = |
| 00:16.28 | penis | ? |
| 00:16.34 | Tetsou | deadcat hm? |
| 00:16.42 | jsn | Goodbye, Brave Believers |
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| 00:16.47 | Xenguy | Adamo: if you just have 1 job backgrounded, then do 'fg'; if you have more than one job backgrounded, do 'fg %2' (or whatever number 'jobs' command says it is) |
| 00:16.51 | caspercba | Adamo: no, run jobs and you will see a number for example [1] |
| 00:16.52 | manfriend | no beeps, nothing |
| 00:17.03 | manfriend | could this card be too new for it? |
| 00:17.05 | guestish | caspercba: got it open? |
| 00:17.05 | caspercba | guestish: i can't find it in /sound/pci |
| 00:17.18 | guestish | caspercba: should be named via82xx |
| 00:17.21 | Adamo | Thanks :D |
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| 00:17.32 | Randy | Penis try the souce |
| 00:17.35 | caspercba | guestish: it isn't there |
| 00:17.48 | guestish | caspercba: ok, sec |
| 00:18.12 | guestish | caspercba: im a lookin :) |
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| 00:18.26 | avila | hola |
| 00:18.38 | guestish | caspercba: kernel/sound/pci |
| 00:18.40 | avila | alguien que hable espa;ol |
| 00:18.45 | manfriend | no beep and cardmgr -v doesnt return anything |
| 00:18.47 | guestish | caspercba: should be there |
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| 00:19.12 | holo | lolitaaaa come back :( |
| 00:19.14 | avila | hola |
| 00:19.29 | caspercba | guestish: maybe, it's already loaded, so that's why it isn't there in the list. Sure i isn't in the hole list, i checked everithing |
| 00:19.33 | guestish | caspercba: or just do 'modprobe snd-via82xx' in a console as root |
| 00:19.42 | caspercba | guestish: ok |
| 00:19.53 | guestish | caspercba: then lsmod | grep snd-via82xx and see if anything shows up |
| 00:19.55 | avila | lolita speak spanish |
| 00:20.11 | avila | shit |
| 00:20.55 | caspercba | guestish: FATAL: module not found. i renamed some files, and then i corrected them as you said, but i didn't reboot, |
| 00:21.10 | guestish | ok, then reboot |
| 00:21.12 | caspercba | guestish: that could be the problem |
| 00:21.19 | caspercba | ok, i will, see ya |
| 00:21.24 | avila | someone speak spanish |
| 00:21.57 | avila | holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:22.04 | guestish | !spanish |
| 00:22.04 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 00:24.44 | caspercba | guestish: i'm here, let me see modconf again... |
| 00:24.57 | guestish | caspercba: just do modprobe snd-via82xx |
| 00:25.04 | guestish | caspercba: it'll have the same effect |
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| 00:25.44 | guestish | caspercba: that fails then modconf wont work |
| 00:25.48 | caspercba | guestish: done, FATAL: module not found |
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| 00:26.08 | jetx | hey who was it said try 2.4.27.... i forgot :( |
| 00:26.17 | guestish | caspercba: ok, then you deleted something you shouldnt of |
| 00:26.30 | guestish | caspercba: type on locate snd-via82xx |
| 00:26.34 | guestish | caspercba: type in* |
| 00:27.11 | jetx | wasn't guerin, wasn't guestish... |
| 00:27.26 | guestish | jetx: was me, why? |
| 00:27.29 | Der_Kaiser | debian macht spass |
| 00:27.54 | Adamo | how do i jump out of a process without pausing it? |
| 00:27.56 | caspercba | guestish: i did, updatedb, wait |
| 00:28.01 | guestish | caspercba: k |
| 00:28.07 | jetx | kernel hasn't borked yet |
| 00:28.12 | guestish | jetx: cool, so its working? |
| 00:28.18 | jetx | 2.4.27 is |
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| 00:28.25 | guestish | jetx: then you're in good shape :) |
| 00:28.32 | guestish | jetx: unless you have a problem using 2.4.27 |
| 00:28.40 | jetx | well..... the alsa is different |
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| 00:28.50 | guestish | jetx: meh, just install alsa-source, its all the same |
| 00:28.56 | jetx | i'll compile 2.6.8 myself next, or something |
| 00:29.03 | jetx | or that |
| 00:29.08 | guestish | jetx: i still use alsa-source instead of the 2.6 ones |
| 00:29.09 | jharrison | jetx: have fun |
| 00:29.35 | caspercba | guestish: i made: #locate via82xxx, and i got no output |
| 00:30.00 | Adamo | how do i jump out of a process without Stopping it? |
| 00:30.02 | jetx | learning the alsa source stuff_to_do would be a lot harder that jsut compiling yet another 2.6(.8?) kernel |
| 00:30.11 | jharrison | caspercba: modprobe? |
| 00:30.12 | guestish | caspercba: alright then, we are going to install alsa-source |
| 00:30.15 | caspercba | Adamo: you can't |
| 00:30.19 | jetx | -_- |
| 00:30.31 | jharrison | ah I see |
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| 00:30.33 | caspercba | guestish: ok apt-gaet install alsa-source? |
| 00:30.37 | jharrison | caspercba: nevermind |
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| 00:30.53 | caspercba | jharrison: what's goin on? |
| 00:30.57 | guestish | caspercba: that and alsa-base |
| 00:31.00 | jetx | adamo you want to background a process you seem to be saying |
| 00:31.05 | guestish | caspercba: then read this: http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=541&page=1 |
| 00:31.10 | Xenguy | Adamo: do you mean logout and have the process continue to run, or what? |
| 00:31.15 | jharrison | caspercba: nevermind what I said |
| 00:31.20 | jharrison | caspercba: disregard it |
| 00:31.22 | guestish | caspercba: scroll down to where it says "Stock Debian kernel without precompiled modules" |
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| 00:31.42 | caspercba | guestish: thanks, i'll do it |
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| 00:32.04 | guestish | caspercba: np, the only correction is that alsa-base now has alsaconf, the configuration tool |
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| 00:32.21 | guestish | caspercba: it will generate the config file |
| 00:32.38 | caspercba | guestish: k |
| 00:32.39 | jetx | and then set the mixer levels... if you have that module loaded |
| 00:32.51 | jetx | (alsaconf will blah and then...) |
| 00:33.18 | jetx | k off to jack with the kernel or something thanks again |
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| 00:36.21 | cirdan | hey , is there any way to see what package created a user? |
| 00:36.36 | cirdan | somehow i have conflicts in my passwd and group files |
| 00:36.49 | m00t00 | cirdan: sure |
| 00:36.55 | m00t00 | delete everything, |
| 00:36.59 | m00t00 | then install one by one |
| 00:37.00 | m00t00 | and look |
| 00:37.07 | maher | cirdan: what conflict |
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| 00:37.30 | cirdan | the same ids for multiple entries |
| 00:37.55 | maher | cirdan: give an example |
| 00:38.00 | cirdan | like postfix and another user |
| 00:38.46 | maher | cirdan: what number |
| 00:39.21 | caspercba | !ms |
| 00:39.21 | dpkg | methinks ms is MicroSoft (icky) (see also microsoft) or milliseconds, or multiple sclerosis. Montserrat |
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| 00:39.37 | caspercba | !no |
| 00:39.38 | dpkg | No Offense |
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| 00:40.51 | cirdan | sword:x:1004: |
| 00:40.56 | cirdan | jacqui:x:1004: |
| 00:41.05 | cirdan | well, in thr group file |
| 00:41.17 | cirdan | postfix was conflicting with a user |
| 00:42.09 | maher | cirdan: two names with the same id effectively mean one user with two different names |
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| 00:42.37 | cirdan | correct but a system package and a user should not be having the same id |
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| 00:42.52 | m00t00 | does it matter... really |
| 00:42.54 | maher | cirdan: what is postfix's id? |
| 00:42.57 | m00t00 | just change the id on one |
| 00:43.01 | cirdan | it was 1001 |
| 00:43.37 | cirdan | m00t00 and then i gotta change the owner of the files they need to write to |
| 00:43.38 | maher | cirdan: one expects that user was created by the postfix package |
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| 00:44.00 | cirdan | ok, what package creates the 'sword' group? |
| 00:44.15 | maher | cirdan: no idea |
| 00:44.18 | guestish | cirdan: no clue |
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| 00:46.10 | manfriend | if i put a pcmcia card in i should get some kind of beep, no? |
| 00:46.28 | guestish | manfriend: i wouldnt know |
| 00:46.34 | manfriend | heh |
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| 00:46.52 | manfriend | well the pcmcia bus shows to be working |
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| 00:47.21 | dag__ | will the unofficial images do the same job as the official ones (expet they are more uptodate?) |
| 00:47.33 | guestish | dag__: images of what? |
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| 00:47.47 | pfizur | Anyone have experience with 2.6.x on a Toshiba laptop? |
| 00:47.57 | guestish | !+linux laptop |
| 00:47.57 | dpkg | All ya always wanted to know about linux on laptops is at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/, or at http://mobilix.org |
| 00:48.11 | pfizur | thank ye both |
| 00:48.19 | toresbe | !sendmail |
| 00:48.19 | dpkg | sendmail is, like, ask me to start an mta war. |
| 00:48.23 | guestish | both? :) |
| 00:48.39 | manfriend | thanks dpkg |
| 00:48.40 | pfizur | oh wait |
| 00:48.42 | toresbe | What is wrong about sendmail? I'm not trolling or anything, I just want to know what's wrong with it |
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| 00:48.54 | DaCa | manfriend: you get the beep only if cardmgr is running |
| 00:48.55 | pfizur | im a little slow |
| 00:48.55 | guestish | toresbe: nothings wrong with it |
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| 00:48.59 | pfizur | hey, ican thank a bot :) |
| 00:48.59 | guestish | pfizur: :) |
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| 00:49.20 | guestish | !botsnack |
| 00:49.20 | dpkg | guestish: :) |
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| 00:50.39 | lavamind | hi |
| 00:50.55 | lavamind | is it possible to plot waves in openoffice?? |
| 00:51.21 | lavamind | ie. sine/cosine waves etc. |
| 00:51.29 | guestish | lavamind: theres a math plotter, but i dont know about graphs |
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| 00:51.41 | lavamind | yeah it doesn formulas only |
| 00:51.45 | dli_ | anyone give me an example of netmask for eth0 and eth1, with eth1 as the internal for 172.16.*.* ? |
| 00:52.41 | guestish | lavamind: i shuold check the docmentation |
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| 00:52.44 | guestish | lavamind: would* |
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| 00:53.08 | lavamind | i did alreay couldnt find anything |
| 00:53.15 | lavamind | i think ill check out scilab |
| 00:53.28 | The_Vulture | I'd just use gnuplot |
| 00:53.55 | guestish | lavamind: sounds good |
| 00:54.17 | lavamind | gnuplot ok |
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| 00:57.22 | guestish | lavamind: scilab looks to be more comprehensive |
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| 00:57.41 | BullWeivel | hrmm... |
| 00:57.48 | BullWeivel | apt: dist upgrade |
| 00:58.00 | BullWeivel | dpkg: dist upgrade |
| 00:58.00 | dpkg | BullWeivel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:58.42 | BullWeivel | dpkg: dist-upgrade |
| 00:58.42 | dpkg | ask me about 'potato->woody' or 'stable->testing', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. |
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| 00:59.15 | BullWeivel | dpkg: stable->testing |
| 00:59.15 | dpkg | it has been said that stable->testing is edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'woody' or 'stable' to 'testing' (but comment out security.debian.org's line). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Two important things: testing gets NO security updates. Deal, or go home. Secondly, you MUST subscribe to d-d-a (/msg dpkg d-d-a) or I will come and pour hot grits down your pants. |
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| 00:59.54 | onin | is it possible to install linux using only iso? |
| 01:00.07 | BullWeivel | must subscribe to d-d-a? whats that? |
| 01:00.33 | ugly | onin: without burning it? |
| 01:00.54 | onin | ugly : yup, is it possible? |
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| 01:01.22 | BullWeivel | sure... its possible with Knoppix (or i think it is) |
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| 01:01.32 | asg | BullWeivel: /msg dpkg d-d-a |
| 01:01.43 | BullWeivel | asg: yeah i just did. :) |
| 01:01.51 | onin | im trying to install knoppix linux... how can i do that? |
| 01:01.59 | asg | onin: #knoppix |
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| 01:02.17 | onin | no one answers in that channel |
| 01:02.21 | BullWeivel | onin: read the how to ;) its simple enough :) |
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| 01:02.37 | asg | onin: then use Debian or some other GNU/Linux distribution that provides better support |
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| 01:04.20 | trailertrash | asg: knoppix is really ment as a recovery-run from cd configuration. you need a real hard drive install like debian. |
| 01:04.22 | onin | i have a running knoppix os, i want to reinstall it because i have a new usb mouse, and a dvd-rom, i doesn't work |
| 01:04.43 | asg | trailertrash: I don't care about knoppix, onin is the one who's asking about it |
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| 01:05.13 | guestish | onin: good for you, this is #debian |
| 01:05.16 | The_Vulture | onin: #knoppix - if we wanted to help you with knoppix issues, we'd be in that channel and helping there |
| 01:05.18 | iAPX286 | what's an equivalent of newsyslog (from bsd) in debian ? |
| 01:05.30 | asg | iAPX286: syslog-ng |
| 01:05.41 | asg | iAPX286: most likely |
| 01:05.41 | iAPX286 | asg: thanks |
| 01:05.42 | trailertrash | if you boot your cd and look at what it loads, you can change what needs to be changed instead of reinstalling |
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| 01:08.08 | BullWeivel | i never thought of knoppix as a recovery meant to run from CD install. I always thought of it as another version of linux. Epsecialy since why would you need all that crap it installs (such as x-windows) to recover. |
| 01:08.22 | zbowling | ok... my company just aquired another company and i was going through its old things and found an old copy of all the manuals, programming books, and tapes with binary and source code versions of AT&T System V (1, 2, 3 and 4)... Isn't that the code in question that SCO claims linux has in it? |
| 01:08.29 | asg | !xwindows |
| 01:08.29 | dpkg | well, xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 01:08.41 | Guerin | BullWeivel: yeah. |
| 01:09.10 | asg | zbowling: maybe, contact groklaw |
| 01:09.13 | BullWeivel | asg: im sorry... X happy now ;) i dont use it so. hehehe |
| 01:09.25 | asg | BullWeivel: hah, brainstem function |
| 01:09.41 | Phated | Mardus: If you need help, ask here instead of /msg. |
| 01:09.57 | asg | BullWeivel: X is a way to be bigger terms than using framebuffer consoles :) |
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| 01:10.22 | justin | binarydigit: that desperate? :-P |
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| 01:10.32 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: Nevertheless, somehow I think that I'm going to be immersed in man first and then I'd have to learn vi, unless there's a better text editor in the bare-bones installation. |
| 01:10.32 | Phated | Mardus: Don't /msg, period. |
| 01:10.46 | Guerin | Mardus: nano. |
| 01:10.47 | BullWeivel | damn this week sucks... first the hurricane took out one of our offices...and that screwed up my email server...and not my email server is all screwed up...its like monday...but its 8pm on a friday night sitting in the office screwing with shit that doesnt make me any money extra .. |
| 01:10.55 | Guerin | Mardus: but thee fundamentals of vi aren't hard. |
| 01:10.58 | BullWeivel | not=now |
| 01:11.07 | asg | !comfort BullWeivel |
| 01:11.07 | dpkg | There, there, BullWeivel. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:11.09 | Phated | Hit i, type, hit ESC, hit ZZ. How hard can it be? |
| 01:11.11 | Mardus | -*Guerin*-: I know, but I've used Notepad all my life so far. |
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| 01:11.17 | BullWeivel | asg LOL |
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| 01:11.39 | Mardus | !vi |
| 01:11.40 | dpkg | well, vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/vi/ or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users |
| 01:11.40 | Guerin | Mardus: you're on the brink of a wonderful adventure :) |
| 01:12.08 | Phated | Mardus: Hit i, type, hit ESC, hit ZZ. How hard can it be? |
| 01:12.12 | Phated | ARGH. |
| 01:12.15 | Phated | Oh well. |
| 01:12.19 | asg | Mardus: use 'nano' if you need an easier editor (be aware that 'vi' is powerful and worthy of study) |
| 01:12.23 | zbowling | hum.. this System V is something else... but I don't have a tape drive capable of reading the code off the drive |
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| 01:12.41 | zbowling | barely capable of "/proc" support |
| 01:12.53 | asg | zbowling: is that in the sales brochure? |
| 01:13.07 | zbowling | lol... |
| 01:13.29 | zbowling | i have the code :-) got it a company we aquired |
| 01:13.40 | Mardus | I d-*id*- see nano for a short w-*hile*-, but that was it -- couldn't remember its name. |
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| 01:14.03 | Phated | Oi, cut it out with the *-'s, they're fucking annoying. |
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| 01:14.08 | Guerin | Mardus: wtf is up with your -*foo*- ? |
| 01:14.10 | asg | Mardus: use it until you are comfortable wanting to learn 'vi' |
| 01:14.29 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: Sorry, I'm using IceChat, I'm new to it. |
| 01:14.36 | jetx | hey what's the name of a command-line cd player, possibly installed by default? |
| 01:14.44 | KrOnOs[PKA] | how do i view the ports that are used on my server? |
| 01:14.44 | jetx | nm |
| 01:14.48 | Phated | FFS, use irssi, most of us have no problems with it. |
| 01:14.51 | binarydigit | justin: im home ;) |
| 01:15.05 | zbowling | the apps in the programing book for system v still compile without changing in Linux... so its a great what to make apps that use some of the oldest apis none to unix |
| 01:15.09 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: Is there irssi for Windows too? |
| 01:15.14 | Guerin | the thing that annoys me most about nano is that C-k kills a whole line, not just the part after point |
| 01:15.23 | asg | Phated: you have wings and jet engines and stuff. |
| 01:15.30 | justin | binarydigit: oh, keep forgetting everyone had a 4 day weekend:) |
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| 01:15.34 | Phated | WTF, not AGAIN, you're still in windows? Then use xchat and drop the stupid things. |
| 01:15.38 | Phated | asg: And I hate it. |
| 01:15.45 | asg | Guerin: it isn't meant for serious hacking |
| 01:15.47 | asg | Phated: :) |
| 01:15.57 | Guerin | Mardus: look at irssi.org. If you must use windows, chatzilla is the only bearable client. |
| 01:15.58 | Phated | asg: :) |
| 01:16.04 | Guerin | asg: it most assuredyl is not |
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| 01:16.43 | Guerin | Phated: don't tell people to use windows xchat, it's gone shareware. |
| 01:16.52 | Phated | Guerin: Oh my, it has? |
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| 01:17.04 | Phated | Guerin: If I had known, I wouldn't have asked them to. My bad. |
| 01:17.22 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: Well, nice to see you sounding like that ;) |
| 01:17.34 | Guerin | Phated: yeah, a license fork between the *n?x and d0z3 versions |
| 01:17.38 | Mardus | Dren... * sound |
| 01:17.41 | Phated | Mardus: Excuse me? |
| 01:18.01 | Phated | Guerin: Dear god. |
| 01:18.04 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: I wanted to write 'nice to see you sound like that' |
| 01:18.18 | Phated | Mardus: Sounds like WHAT? |
| 01:18.20 | Guerin | Mardus: please install chatzilla now. |
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| 01:18.28 | Guerin | Phated: see ... sound |
| 01:18.35 | Phated | Guerin: Still. |
| 01:18.43 | Phated | Mardus: What, precisely, do you mean? |
| 01:19.12 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: Like "My bad." |
| 01:19.25 | Phated | Mardus: And what's your point? |
| 01:19.30 | asg | Phated: an apology of sorts apparently |
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| 01:19.45 | Phated | asg: Yes, I was doing that, but so? |
| 01:20.09 | The_Vulture | Phated: I think asg was saying that Mardus might have been trying to apologise for something |
| 01:20.12 | The_Vulture | what, I do not know.. |
| 01:20.14 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 01:20.18 | asg | The_Vulture: me neither |
| 01:20.43 | Mardus | -*The_Vulture*- was just covering, I think... |
| 01:20.45 | Phated | No, I think he was trying to say that it was nice to see me being apologetic. For what reason he said that, I don't know. |
| 01:21.27 | Phated | Mardus: FFS, DELETE the *- MANUALLY if you HAVE to, since you obviously can't be bothered installing chatzilla. |
| 01:21.42 | Mardus | I will, not not right now. |
| 01:22.04 | Phated | Mardus: Then delete the stupid extra ASCII. |
| 01:22.24 | Mardus | Can't. It's like I type your name and a colon and then it appears the way it appears. |
| 01:22.35 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: Cons-*id*-ering your aggressive antics, which I am not yet too used to, your sounding apologetic is a first to me. |
| 01:22.36 | Phated | Then change it somehow so it doesn't appear. |
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| 01:22.45 | holo | hi |
| 01:22.51 | holo | hi Phated |
| 01:22.51 | Mardus | -*Phated*- : I was thinking of looking into it. |
| 01:22.54 | The_Vulture | or don't use a colon, try a semicolon, hyphen, whatever.. |
| 01:22.55 | ryanarn | wtf |
| 01:23.10 | Phated | The_Vulture: Apparently as long as he nick completes it does it. |
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| 01:23.13 | asg | ryanarn: apt-get install bsdgames |
| 01:23.15 | Phated | holo: Er, hi. |
| 01:23.15 | Mardus | -*The_Vulture*-: It doesn't work. |
| 01:23.20 | The_Vulture | Phated: indeed |
| 01:23.26 | ryanarn | asg ? |
| 01:23.38 | zbowling | Frequently a problem can be diagnosed more accurately if AT&T technical personnel can remotely access the computer on which the software is executing. If possible, please connect an auto answer 300 or 1200 bps modem * to the direct dial phone network and to an appropriate port on the computer or connect your AT&T UNIX PC to a telephone line outlined in the Telephone Manager documentation. - From the support card included with my System V tape disk. |
| 01:23.42 | Phated | The_Vulture: Annoying, isn't it? |
| 01:23.46 | asg | ryanarn: the bsdgames package contains wtf(6) (a very useful utility) |
| 01:23.53 | ryanarn | ahh :-) |
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| 01:24.03 | The_Vulture | Phated: indeed |
| 01:24.04 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: I know it's annoying, too: can't read own text. |
| 01:24.10 | Phated | The_Vulture: Aye. |
| 01:24.31 | asg | zbowling: heh |
| 01:24.41 | Phated | Mardus: Look, my nick is Phated, not -*Phated*-. And thus, until you call me by my nick, I'm going to presume your statements are meant for someone else. |
| 01:24.43 | Ra1stlin | good night |
| 01:25.19 | puffy | goodnight |
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| 01:25.55 | Mardus | -*Phated*-: Changed settings, trying to see what's in there... |
| 01:26.00 | holo | lol |
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| 01:26.02 | nullguy | does debian provide a package for gtk2 themes? |
| 01:26.04 | holo | :x |
| 01:26.04 | Mardus | Drat. |
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| 01:26.14 | Mardus | I'll disconnect and then try again. |
| 01:26.21 | asg | zbowling: things haven't changed that much since then though. (Vendor to asg: We need to telnet to the server to perform upgrades. asg to Vendor: ssh? Vendor to asg: erm .. sorry? asg to officemate: morons) |
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| 01:26.30 | Derkommissar | how can i press a key capture what it does and make it do something |
| 01:26.32 | Derkommissar | ? |
| 01:26.36 | zbowling | haha.. since I just broke the seal, at&t owes me 90 support on this system v stuff |
| 01:26.44 | asg | Derkommissar: xev + xbindkeys |
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| 01:26.56 | asg | zbowling: call them now and ask for donuts |
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| 01:27.32 | Mardus | ... |
| 01:28.09 | Mardus | Phatted: I decided to make your nick a guinea-pig for the time being... |
| 01:28.14 | Mardus | Sorry, Phated... |
| 01:28.21 | Mardus | Oh wow, no nick highlighting. |
| 01:28.23 | Phated | Oh, good, it works. Now bugger off my nick. |
| 01:28.24 | zbowling | haha... I might call them and demand my required software upgrade i get at my time of install according to my licenece agreement... |
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| 01:28.38 | Derkommissar | asg, xev is not seen the keys im pressing. |
| 01:28.52 | Derkommissar | i wanna make the extra buttons on my keyboard usefull |
| 01:28.56 | asg | Derkommissar: some odd internet keyboardy thingy or laptop? |
| 01:29.05 | Derkommissar | laptop |
| 01:29.10 | Derkommissar | and a usb device |
| 01:29.13 | Derkommissar | but laptop |
| 01:29.19 | asg | Derkommissar: maybe try 'lineakd' |
| 01:29.41 | Derkommissar | dont have that here |
| 01:29.46 | Derkommissar | let me see if i can get it |
| 01:29.53 | asg | !info lineakd woody |
| 01:29.58 | Mardus | Phated, The_Vulture, et al: The nicks are not highlighted anymore; at least I solved this problem. |
| 01:30.09 | asg | !info lineakd sarge |
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| 01:30.15 | dpkg | lineakd: (Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.8beta4-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 476 kB |
| 01:30.17 | zbowling | "This software my not be exported to the U.S.S.R." - my system v information card |
| 01:30.21 | Phated | Mardus: Whoop de do. |
| 01:30.26 | asg | zbowling: nice |
| 01:30.31 | Mardus | Guerin: Is ChatZilla anyway linked to Mozilla? |
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| 01:31.09 | Derkommissar | doesnt the kernel capture all the keystrokes somewhere |
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| 01:31.28 | zbowling | OMG i got a copy of the System II also.. just found it in another box |
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| 01:31.40 | mool | Mardus: yes, it is. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/rt-messaging/chatzilla/ |
| 01:31.42 | zbowling | Licenced under Bell Labs |
| 01:31.45 | asg | zbowling: that's like having windows 1.06 on 5 1/4 floppies :) |
| 01:31.55 | Mardus | mool: Well, that's bad. |
| 01:32.02 | Phated | Mardus: And why? |
| 01:32.11 | zbowling | hehe.. 1981 edition |
| 01:32.26 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: yes yes it is |
| 01:32.33 | spl0it | hey guys, I've been trying to get my nvidia driver to work for a few days, and after a fresh install tonight it was working just fine, but after removing some packages, it stopped working.... is that even possible? I'm going to try and reinstall the packages right now... but I'm confused |
| 01:32.50 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oy, he said Chatzialla being a Moz product was bad and you're AGREEING? :| |
| 01:33.01 | nullguy | does debian provide a package for gtk2 themes? |
| 01:33.03 | spuer | I have a question about sound card. my sound card is an ac97. However, there is an error with irq "IRQ routing conflict for 00:11.5, have irq 3, want irq4" <-- How do I correct this? |
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| 01:33.12 | blissex | spl0it: that's possible. |
| 01:33.23 | Mardus | I need one that is free /can be as in beer, but something with a minimal memory (RAM) footprint. |
| 01:33.35 | spl0it | sigh... working on re-adding these packages.. hope it works |
| 01:33.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no no I was not I was answering the first question. :| |
| 01:33.56 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: WTF is that bad? |
| 01:34.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahh. |
| 01:34.05 | blissex | spuer: you probably have to change some settings in the BIOS. Try to reserve the 3 and 4 IRQs, so they don't get used by PCI cards. |
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| 01:34.25 | Mardus | scarynetworkguy: It's either "this bad" or "that bad" or "so bad"... |
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| 01:34.54 | Phated | Mardus: Stop deflecting, why is Chatzilla being a Moz product bad? |
| 01:34.55 | Motoko | What's a good IDE Controller card for Debian? |
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| 01:35.01 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: Why is Chatzilla being done by our good friends in the Mozilla project a bad thing? |
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| 01:35.11 | Mardus | scarynetworkguy: And I actually wrot "that's bad" |
| 01:35.14 | spuer | hm...that could be a solution, I'm going to test it. |
| 01:35.16 | spuer | thanks |
| 01:35.28 | spuer | \q |
| 01:35.30 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: what is bad? |
| 01:35.31 | spuer | \quit |
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| 01:35.49 | Mardus | scrynetworkguy, Phated: It's not that. Just that Mozilla Firefox and Gecko are VERY SLOW in a computer I use @home. |
| 01:35.50 | Motoko | What's a good IDE Controller card for Debian? |
| 01:35.58 | blissex | Motoko: eehi, be patient. |
| 01:36.01 | guestish | Motoko: promise ATA/133 contorller card |
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| 01:36.08 | Motoko | thanks |
| 01:36.08 | guestish | contoller* |
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| 01:36.13 | guestish | Motoko: get an old one |
| 01:36.14 | Phated | Mardus: Awww, gee. |
| 01:36.16 | blissex | Motoko: depends on what you want to do. The CMD one is also OK. |
| 01:36.19 | guestish | Motoko: the newest ones are not supported |
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| 01:36.32 | zbowling | Unix System V Release 4.0 Ver 2.1 386/486 - 16 to Unlimited User License Upgrade |
| 01:36.40 | Mardus | Phated: Like Pentium-S 120 MHz, 32M RAM. |
| 01:36.40 | Motoko | What's considered an old one? |
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| 01:36.57 | guestish | Motoko: sec |
| 01:37.02 | Motoko | I need to like, get one today before all the stores close |
| 01:37.03 | blissex | Motoko: not recent Silicon Image :-) |
| 01:37.07 | Phated | Mardus: How sad. I'm sure I pity you, but if you had fucking installed Debian you wouldn't heave performance problems. |
| 01:37.11 | Motoko | k |
| 01:37.13 | blissex | Motoko: get a cheapo Promise or CMD. |
| 01:37.20 | Motoko | k |
| 01:37.23 | Motoko | thank you |
| 01:37.25 | guestish | Motoko: any of the Promise PDC202{46-77} cards |
| 01:37.32 | guestish | Motoko: the SATA ones are NOT Supported |
| 01:37.32 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: what OS are you running on it? |
| 01:37.37 | guestish | Motoko: neither are SATA hybrids |
| 01:37.38 | Motoko | Right |
| 01:37.40 | Mardus | Phated: The machine is running W98 |
| 01:37.44 | guestish | Motoko: and thats the chipset number |
| 01:37.47 | Motoko | I have a Promise SATA Card |
| 01:37.51 | guestish | cant use it |
| 01:37.55 | Phated | Mardus: So? Why can't it run Debian? :) |
| 01:37.57 | guestish | drivers arent out yet |
| 01:38.08 | Motoko | right |
| 01:38.12 | Mardus | With Win95 it would be faster. |
| 01:38.15 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: why not put a real OS on it get some twin and have a blazing fast computer |
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| 01:38.25 | Phated | Twin, heh. :) |
| 01:38.34 | Mardus | Phated: I will make it run Debian somehow, but I have to test the computer for bad RAM first. |
| 01:38.36 | Mardus | !twin |
| 01:38.36 | dpkg | twin is, like, http://sourceforge.net/projects/twin and http://twin.sourceforge.net/twin-screenshot.gif |
| 01:38.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah seems like the perfect idea to me |
| 01:38.39 | ryanarn | Motoko my promis ultra66 isn't working with my 160GB drive. I've heard all promise controllers may be broken on debian right now.. |
| 01:38.40 | dpowers | how do i know what version of a package i'm installing with apt-get? |
| 01:38.45 | Phated | I think flux would work too as long as you got rid of the transparent menus. |
| 01:38.50 | guestish | ryanarn: mine works fine |
| 01:38.51 | asg | dpowers: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
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| 01:38.57 | Phated | Bad RAM? |
| 01:38.59 | ryanarn | guestish what kernel version |
| 01:39.01 | guestish | get a ata/133 one, ata/66 is oollddd |
| 01:39.05 | guestish | ryanarn: 2.6.8.1 |
| 01:39.16 | Motoko | Right |
| 01:39.19 | Mardus | Phated: Bad RAM, yes... Because the computer was made in late 1996. |
| 01:39.22 | spl0it | GOT IT |
| 01:39.26 | ryanarn | guestish yeah, it is old but the machine it is going into is old.. I keep getting dma errors. |
| 01:39.27 | Phated | Mardus: So? |
| 01:39.27 | mool | I came home and found my new UserLinux install hung, hard rebooted, and now my GL games think I'm using Mesa! What should I check for breakage? |
| 01:39.28 | dpowers | asg: for gnome, that doesnt seem to work, just tells me how many are installed and how many are candidate |
| 01:39.29 | Motoko | I have a SATA Controller with a 250GB HDD on it |
| 01:39.34 | guestish | Motoko: cool |
| 01:39.40 | guestish | too bad you cant use it =\ |
| 01:39.44 | spl0it | blissex hey.. it was nvidia-glx |
| 01:39.46 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: so why are you running winders on a box with bad RAM? instead of Debian on a box with bad RAM? |
| 01:39.48 | Motoko | I need the IDE Controller for my file server which has a 15 and 30 HDD |
| 01:39.54 | mazu | is it possible for the kernel to mistake a device? |
| 01:40.07 | ryanarn | guestish: I can't complete my "testing" install |
| 01:40.07 | blissex | spl0it: that is sort of pretty essential :-) |
| 01:40.07 | guestish | Motoko: k, then CMD or a cheap promise should be ok |
| 01:40.08 | Motoko | the MoBo went bad and the only other system I have is SCSI Only but a small HDD is in it |
| 01:40.09 | guestish | ryanarn: cause of the controller card? |
| 01:40.10 | dpowers | i just want to install gnome 2.8 |
| 01:40.16 | mazu | is it possible for the kernel to mistake a device? |
| 01:40.19 | guestish | Motoko: go buy, you are running out of time |
| 01:40.21 | dpowers | ut i dont know which gnome i'm actually installing |
| 01:40.23 | Motoko | k |
| 01:40.26 | Motoko | thanks again |
| 01:40.27 | guestish | Motoko: if you are in as much as a rush as you say you are :) |
| 01:40.29 | asg | dpowers: the candidates are the ones the will be installed if you update |
| 01:40.30 | guestish | np |
| 01:40.38 | guestish | dpowers: install garnome |
| 01:40.39 | toresbe | dpowers: You are probably installing 2.6 |
| 01:40.46 | guestish | dpowers: that'll get your 2.8 |
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| 01:40.49 | ryanarn | guestish, well the machine won't recognize the drive cause the mobo is too old so I figured I could use a pci ide controller to access the drive |
| 01:40.50 | asg | dpowers: which debian version are you running |
| 01:41.00 | dpowers | i just changed to unstale |
| 01:41.01 | Juz_visiting | what is the grep for dpkg -l | grep rc to find just the entrys starting with rc .. not everything that has rc in it |
| 01:41.01 | dpowers | unstab |
| 01:41.03 | dpowers | le |
| 01:41.03 | guestish | ryanarn: i dont know how good debian is at reconizing controller cards |
| 01:41.09 | guestish | ryanarn: i would do a knoppix debootstrap install |
| 01:41.13 | asg | dpowers: then 2.6 it is |
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| 01:41.16 | Mardus | scarynetworkguy: I don't know if the computer has bad RAM, but it probably has. Just that Windows users don't notice this, while it is in the way of Linux working properly. |
| 01:41.18 | Oatmeat | how do I reconfigure a package? |
| 01:41.20 | zbowling | found a floppy someone made in the company. labeled "sys v kernel replacement script to upgrade to linux 1.2" and has a date of "1-2-96" |
| 01:41.30 | guestish | ryanarn: http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html |
| 01:41.32 | ryanarn | guestish: debian does fine at recognizing the controller.. but during the install there are tons of dma errors. |
| 01:41.32 | dpowers | asg: u know if 2.8 is working on deb yet? |
| 01:41.33 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: in what way is Debian not working on the machine? |
| 01:41.37 | toresbe | http://bash.org/?6797 |
| 01:41.41 | toresbe | argh, ignore |
| 01:41.44 | asg | guestish: I installed sarge on a FastTrak S150 today with the new d-i |
| 01:41.45 | guestish | ryanarn: substitute testing for any stable references |
| 01:41.48 | asg | dpowers: /topic |
| 01:41.49 | ryanarn | guestish there is an LKML post about this that was left unresolved |
| 01:41.51 | toresbe | Wow, 2.8 is really cool! |
| 01:41.58 | Mardus | Phated, scarynetworkguy: I have to test the machine using memtest86 first /I even bought a diskette for that. |
| 01:42.01 | trailertrash | Oatmeat, you mean dpkg-reconfigure package? |
| 01:42.01 | guestish | ryanarn: oh, well then i dont know, i would just do debootstrap |
| 01:42.02 | Oatmeat | I tried dpkg --reconfigure but that said it wasn't a valid option and it didn't give me any other help |
| 01:42.08 | guestish | asg: cool |
| 01:42.09 | Oatmeat | trailertrash: thanks |
| 01:42.10 | Phated | Mardus: How nice. |
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| 01:42.21 | guestish | asg: who makes the fastrak cards? |
| 01:42.22 | justin | !+reconfigure |
| 01:42.22 | dpkg | i guess reconfigure is really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
| 01:42.25 | asg | guestish: promise |
| 01:42.30 | trailertrash | Oatmeat, np |
| 01:42.34 | mazu | is it possible for the kernel to mistake a device? |
| 01:42.38 | xarg | why is it that when install the .deb which make-kpkg kern_image creates I do not actually have an initrd.img in /boot? |
| 01:42.40 | guestish | asg: oh! so theres promise SATA support in the kernel now? |
| 01:42.44 | zbowling | haha.. .I compiled the system v kernel in deb with the GNU compiler without a hitch |
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| 01:42.50 | guestish | asg: i know for a while there was none |
| 01:42.52 | asg | guestish: you have to 'modprobe sata_promise' before the d-i gets to the partition drives part but otherwise, a simple install |
| 01:42.57 | scarynetworkguy | Mardus: good go do it. Then you can get a real OS and a real IRC client |
| 01:43.00 | mazu | is it possible for the kernel to mistake a device? (y/n) |
| 01:43.01 | asg | guestish: at least for that card |
| 01:43.01 | ryanarn | mazu why do you ask? Most likely it is not really possible unless there is something wrong with the driver |
| 01:43.08 | guestish | asg: sweet |
| 01:43.18 | guestish | asg: i have a spare card but i couldnt use it due to the fact that there was no support |
| 01:43.28 | mazu | ryanarn, uhm... lspci says i have atheros wifi |
| 01:43.29 | guestish | asg: wheres the module under in modconf? |
| 01:43.35 | Mardus | scarynetworkguy: I didn't say yet that Debian wasn't working there, just that when I ran that old and bad distro years ago in that computer, programs there simply crashed /I remember signal 11 or something. |
| 01:43.46 | asg | guestish: bugs.debian.org/272142 (my installation report) |
| 01:43.47 | ryanarn | mazu do you have a netgear nic? |
| 01:43.50 | mazu | ryanarn, the specification book that comes with this notebook says intel 2100 |
| 01:43.57 | mazu | no |
| 01:43.57 | holo | xarg, maybe you didn't compile with that option |
| 01:44.01 | dpowers | what's a good front end for apt on kde? |
| 01:44.06 | mazu | ryanarn, what is netgear nic? |
| 01:44.10 | Mardus | scarynetworkguy: While I did run Debian in that machine, nothing crashed, as I remember and no signal 9 or signal 11 messages were received. |
| 01:44.10 | asg | dpowers: kpackage |
| 01:44.21 | guestish | ryanarn: debootstrap is a fully functional debian installer, albiet much more basic |
| 01:44.23 | ryanarn | lspci reports what the chip tells it |
| 01:44.29 | asg | dpowers: or running apt-get in konsole |
| 01:44.31 | dpowers | thanks asg |
| 01:44.33 | mazu | ryanarn, so which do i trust? |
| 01:44.43 | Mardus | scarynetworkguy: At least I didn't see any for those few hours that I ran it. |
| 01:44.44 | ryanarn | mazu what lspci tells you, most likely |
| 01:44.45 | mazu | ryanarn, the spec book from manufacturer or the kernel? |
| 01:44.48 | guestish | asg: wheres sata under? |
| 01:44.58 | mazu | ryanarn, thank you |
| 01:45.03 | ryanarn | mazu the kernel is just telling you what the card is reporting |
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| 01:45.09 | dpowers | i'm not as comfortable yet with apt as i am with portage, going to take some time |
| 01:45.09 | xarg | holo: what do you mean? I didn't compile with initrrd support? .... I did! I ust do not have an initrd file. |
| 01:45.21 | mazu | ryanarn, thank you |
| 01:45.25 | ryanarn | mazu it is quite common for many manufacturers to use the atheros chipset in their cards |
| 01:45.40 | ryanarn | mazu you probably have an intel nic but with an atheros chipset |
| 01:45.49 | ryanarn | mazu in which case you'll probably want to use the madwifi driver |
| 01:45.51 | mazu | ryanarn, if this is true, i am screwed |
| 01:45.54 | guestish | asg: nvm, found it |
| 01:45.59 | asg | guestish: :) |
| 01:46.02 | ryanarn | mazu which is frustratingly NOT in the debian package list |
| 01:46.11 | asg | !find mazu |
| 01:46.14 | mazu | ryanarn, yes :( |
| 01:46.14 | ryanarn | mazu my netgear is an atheros |
| 01:46.28 | mazu | ryanarn, any luck with wifi? |
| 01:46.29 | ryanarn | mazu want a link to how to build it into your kernel? |
| 01:46.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mazu' (5 shown; 13 total): (/usr/include/namazu/libnamazu.h) in text/libnmz7-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/elpoint/examples/namazu.png) in x11/elpoint ;; (/usr/share/doc/mew/contrib/00readme-namazu.jis.gz) in mail/mew ;; (/usr/share/doc/namazu2-index-tools) in text/namazu2-index-tools ;; (/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/t-gnus/gnus-namazu.el) in news/t-gnus. |
| 01:46.34 | mazu | asg, greetings |
| 01:46.35 | ryanarn | mazu yeah you have to build it into your kernel |
| 01:46.46 | Mardus | And I'm using an older version of IceChat anyway (3.76) -- at least I don't have to fear mIRC shutting down after 30 or so days... (if that might happen) |
| 01:46.47 | guestish | asg: heh, just cant find the sata_promise module |
| 01:46.48 | Mardus | !nano |
| 01:46.48 | dpkg | [nano] at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9 |
| 01:46.51 | asg | mazu: hiya |
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| 01:46.57 | guestish | asg: maybe its the fact that these are 2.6 sources |
| 01:46.59 | ryanarn | mazu http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi |
| 01:47.02 | ryanarn | mazu that should be a start |
| 01:47.09 | mazu | ryanarn, nah, i would not wanna mess with kernel compile |
| 01:47.12 | asg | guestish: well, I used the 2.6.7 sarge install kernel |
| 01:47.12 | kuraps | question. how can i configure my dvd to work with linux? |
| 01:47.27 | ryanarn | mazu I'll eventually make a kernel with it in there again |
| 01:47.31 | mazu | ryanarn, my distro = fedora core with numerous patches :( |
| 01:47.37 | Mardus | kuraps: You mean, your DVD player or any DVD playing program? |
| 01:47.46 | ryanarn | mazu ahh... maybe you can find one for fedora then |
| 01:47.46 | guestish | kuraps: it should "just work" (tm) |
| 01:47.54 | guestish | asg: ok |
| 01:47.55 | mazu | ryanarn, no luck :( |
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| 01:48.02 | kuraps | my dvd-rom doesn't mount |
| 01:48.04 | mazu | asg, how can i help? :) |
| 01:48.13 | Mardus | guestish: I think posing a question here means that it does not "just work" (tm) |
| 01:48.15 | kuraps | but when i use windows it's ok |
| 01:48.19 | guestish | Mardus: :) |
| 01:48.29 | guestish | kuraps: scsi or ide? |
| 01:48.37 | asg | mazu: my comment was a play on words based on something ryanarn said, disregard. |
| 01:48.44 | kuraps | ide dvd-rom |
| 01:48.57 | mazu | asg, ok |
| 01:48.59 | guestish | kuraps: and you modprobed the ide-cdrom support? |
| 01:49.18 | kuraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.41 | guestish | kuraps: modprobe ide-cdrom |
| 01:49.43 | helix | !kill anime smileys |
| 01:49.46 | ryanarn | mazu netgear just makes a nic with the atheros chipset |
| 01:49.56 | ryanarn | mazu yours is probably an intel with an atheros chipset |
| 01:50.00 | asg | helix: do you have a particularly egregious example of the genre? |
| 01:50.00 | kuraps | guestish : thanks ill try that |
| 01:50.06 | mazu | ryanarn, really!? |
| 01:50.08 | guestish | asg: hrm, isnt in make menuconfig |
| 01:50.12 | guestish | asg: but its there |
| 01:50.13 | guestish | asg: weird |
| 01:50.14 | helix | asg: of what, anime? |
| 01:50.22 | asg | helix: anime smileys |
| 01:50.23 | ryanarn | mazu yeah, it is quite common for companies to do this |
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| 01:50.25 | mazu | ryanarn, i wanna scream "f" word |
| 01:50.40 | asg | guestish: odd |
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| 01:50.49 | helix | I think maybe (>^_^)> is pretty bad |
| 01:50.51 | ryanarn | mazu I actually specifically bought my pcmcia card because it was an atheros gigabit card |
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| 01:50.55 | asg | helix: hehe |
| 01:50.56 | mazu | ryanarn, there are active development for ipw2100 and ipw2200 |
| 01:51.12 | kuraps | guestish : when i use modprobe is says,. Can't locate module ide-cdrom |
| 01:51.12 | mazu | ryanarn, i could have contributed... |
| 01:51.31 | guestish | kuraps: try modprobe cdrom |
| 01:51.51 | ryanarn | kuraps check /lib/modules/<kversion>/kernel/drivers/ide just to make sure |
| 01:52.01 | mazu | costs a fortune to buy another notebook with ipw2200 |
| 01:52.02 | guestish | asg: and theres no config option in the kernel |
| 01:52.13 | holo | mazu, you use the opensource driver? |
| 01:52.15 | ryanarn | mazu is the NIC built-in to the notebook |
| 01:52.23 | mazu | holo, no i cant |
| 01:52.32 | mazu | ryanarn, yes |
| 01:52.33 | holo | mazu, so ndiswrapper |
| 01:52.36 | mazu | sh: line 1: lspci: command not found |
| 01:52.36 | Mardus | Anyways, I'll leave the room and leave space for others in here.. |
| 01:52.49 | kuraps | guestish : same problem, module cd-rom cant locate |
| 01:52.50 | mazu | 02:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 01:52.53 | asg | guestish: CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_PROMISE=m (from the debian /boot/config-*) |
| 01:52.58 | mazu | ^^^^ from lspci |
| 01:53.03 | guestish | kuraps: just modprobe cdrom, no dash |
| 01:53.17 | guestish | asg: im looking at the kernel-source-2.6.8 sources, and the files are there, but no config option |
| 01:53.33 | asg | guestish: did you enable experimental options? |
| 01:53.38 | guestish | asg: enabled all |
| 01:53.40 | ryanarn | mazu and _why_ can't you build your own kernel? |
| 01:53.45 | kuraps | guestish : same, problem, i also try 'modpobe dvd' |
| 01:53.45 | guestish | asg: anyways i gotta eat, ill look afterwards |
| 01:53.47 | asg | guestish: hmmmm |
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| 01:53.49 | asg | guestish: cool |
| 01:53.51 | holo | mazu, that means your card is supported by ipw2200 driver? i'm confused |
| 01:54.04 | holo | mazu, i don't have the support list here |
| 01:54.09 | mazu | ryanarn, cause fedora core have their own kernel patches etc. |
| 01:54.36 | mazu | holo, i wish your right |
| 01:54.47 | ryanarn | mazu did you try that driver? |
| 01:54.49 | mazu | holo, if ipw2200 driver works... |
| 01:54.54 | mazu | ryanarn, no |
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| 01:55.01 | ryanarn | maybe you should try that |
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| 01:55.10 | asg | !wb scarynetworkguy |
| 01:55.11 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! scarynetworkguy has returned! |
| 01:55.17 | mazu | ryanarn, okie dokie |
| 01:55.17 | scarynetworkguy | !fuck comcast hard |
| 01:55.18 | mazu | :D |
| 01:55.28 | scarynetworkguy | asg: thanks |
| 01:55.33 | mazu | thank you ryanarn, holo, asg |
| 01:55.34 | asg | scarynetworkguy: :) anytime |
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| 01:55.39 | scarynetworkguy | asg: :D |
| 01:55.57 | ryanarn | holo does that driver work with the Atheros chipset on mazu's nic? |
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| 01:56.47 | holo | ry |
| 01:56.57 | holo | ryanarn, i could see that |
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| 01:57.21 | holo | ryanarn, i'm currently using xp driver emulated by ndiswrapper |
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| 01:57.50 | nullguy | does debian provide a package for gtk2 themes? |
| 01:57.55 | nullguy | eerrm |
| 01:57.58 | nullguy | not gtk2 |
| 01:58.00 | nullguy | gkrellm2 |
| 01:58.28 | Nosf3ratu | nullguy, they're just called gkrellm |
| 01:58.29 | Nosf3ratu | afaik |
| 01:58.33 | trailertrash | muhri.net for gkrellm themes |
| 01:58.39 | Nosf3ratu | might depend on the debian version |
| 01:58.47 | dfkjddf | iam trying to install debian on a laptop, the terminal truncates the bottommost line of the screen. how do i fix this? |
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| 01:59.09 | try_catch_this | I have a little script I need to get my modem working, How do I get it to run when x starts? |
| 01:59.09 | asg | !wangtek FieldySnuts |
| 01:59.19 | FieldySnuts | :x |
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| 01:59.49 | asg | try_catch_this: edit your ~/.xsession and put the command on the line before your 'wm' starts |
| 02:00.11 | try_catch_this | ok |
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| 02:00.51 | kuraps | guestish : ihave try 'modprove ide-cd' it doesn't generate error, but i still can't mount from my dvd? what should i do next |
| 02:00.57 | asg | try_catch_this: though if this is something that needs to happen when the machine comes up, try /etc/init.d/README (/etc/init.d/skeleton for an example and 'man update-rc.d' to tie everything together.) |
| 02:01.07 | kuraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:01.38 | trailertrash | kuraps, hows about cdrecord -scanbus |
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| 02:02.06 | sAint | hello |
| 02:02.41 | nullguy | thanks. |
| 02:02.42 | kuraps | cdrecord -scanbus , detected my dvd rom, what should i do next? |
| 02:02.48 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 02:03.19 | kuraps | it still says' 'mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist' |
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| 02:04.09 | bhartshorn | how do i force a package to be removed when this does not work? : apt-get remove packagename |
| 02:04.22 | asg | bhartshorn: in what way does it 'not work' |
| 02:04.34 | sAint | i installed debian testing and the only resolution available in X is VERY low (576x384).. my XF86Config-4 files has modes for higher resolutions but i think the problem is wiht my video card driver |
| 02:04.43 | bhartshorn | the package had a bad prerm and postrm files |
| 02:04.51 | scarynetworkguy | sAint: that or your monitor settings |
| 02:04.58 | sAint | i have an onboard ati rage II+ Mach64 GTB (215GTB) |
| 02:05.00 | dan2 | asg! |
| 02:05.14 | bhartshorn | asg, apt-get fails saying: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:05.24 | Gnea | anyone ever gotten any of the newer HP PSC all-in-one printers to work fully in linux? i can get printing to work no problem, it's scanning that's being a hosebeast - i've installed sane, xscanimage and whatnot - also installed hpoj (it's only 0.91 tho, but even scanning-only SHOULD work) and i cannot find ANY tutorials/decent documentation on this - i've tried a lot of different settings and still nada.. it'll detect it, but it simply won't scan - and even gimp won't |
| 02:05.26 | sAint | scarynetworkguy how can i figure out which is causing the problem / solve the problem |
| 02:05.32 | asg | bhartshorn: well, if apt-get -f install doesn't fix things, edit the prerm and/or postrm files to fix the problem (a simple 'exit 0' near the top will often help thought the cleanup is up to you.) |
| 02:05.38 | mool | I had a crash and now openGL isn't using the hardware to render. How can I fix this? |
| 02:05.38 | asg | dan2: evening |
| 02:05.47 | scarynetworkguy | sAint: what vid card do you have? |
| 02:05.51 | dan2 | asg: went to varsity football game, they kicked ass |
| 02:05.55 | dan2 | asg: 44 - 10 |
| 02:05.56 | asg | dan2: cool |
| 02:06.03 | sAint | [22:05:45] <sAint> i have an onboard ati rage II+ Mach64 GTB (215GTB) |
| 02:06.06 | areels | can i share a folder on linux and reach to that folder with a windows client ? |
| 02:06.13 | Gnea | sAint: X should figure out how much ram is on the card - what kind of monitor do you have and did you set the vertical and horizontal refreshes correctly? |
| 02:06.16 | areels | if yes how if no ok |
| 02:06.17 | asg | areels: samba is your friend |
| 02:06.35 | asg | areels: www.oreilly.com/openbook (for a rather nice and free as in beer guide to samba) |
| 02:06.36 | areels | oh i removed samba because i thought it's useless for me |
| 02:07.03 | Gnea | sAint: also, is agpgart setup with mtrr? is it a vanilla or custom-built kernel? |
| 02:07.06 | asg | areels: or 'apt-get install samba-doc' for the same thing |
| 02:07.06 | sAint | ok thanks Gnea, how do i know if the vertical and horis refrehs are ok? |
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| 02:07.07 | dan2 | asg: the only thing I really don't care about licensing on is books.. I am going to buy them anyhow :) |
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| 02:07.24 | Gnea | sAint: depends on your monitor - what monitor (make+model#) do you have? |
| 02:07.41 | asg | dan2: well, I think o'reilly has done a pretty good job over the years. |
| 02:07.51 | Gnea | sAint: it should say what the model# is either on the front bottom or on the back of the monitor |
| 02:07.52 | sAint | its a shitty ol ibm, like IBM 2120 or somethign |
| 02:08.22 | Gnea | sAint: there should be a specific model# associated with it - that a 15" monitor? |
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| 02:08.57 | sAint | ill tell you for sure 1 sec, btw when i ran dpkg-reconfigure on xstart-xfree86 it auto detected it so i think it hsould be configured properly |
| 02:09.02 | Gnea | sAint: most of the older ibm monitors don't go above 640x480 - you might get lucky and hit 800x600 - 17" CRTs are ~$50 these days |
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| 02:09.16 | sAint | ya its an ibm 2124 |
| 02:09.30 | sAint | no ive ran this monitor at 1024x768 on a windows os |
| 02:09.35 | Gnea | that sounds familiar - it probably came off of a PS/2 |
| 02:09.40 | sAint | i think it can even hit 1280 |
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| 02:10.06 | sAint | its comes packaged wiht an aptiva |
| 02:10.18 | sAint | its an old box im just tyring to put it to good use |
| 02:10.40 | asg | sAint: then use it as a mail, file, dhcp, dns, etc server (no X needed for that) |
| 02:11.03 | sAint | i want a desktop enviro tho |
| 02:11.07 | sAint | xfce |
| 02:11.32 | sAint | im pretty new with linux and id like to have something to fall back on when i get trapped wiht just commandline ;P |
| 02:11.46 | scarynetworkguy | XFCE4 rules |
| 02:11.55 | sAint | yeah |
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| 02:12.02 | tvn | that's out of nowhere |
| 02:12.10 | tvn | hyper moment ? |
| 02:12.11 | cthomas | asg: how would you run it? |
| 02:12.12 | sAint | anyways im almost positive its got to do wiht my video card drivers |
| 02:12.16 | Gnea | i'm an Enlightenment geek myself |
| 02:12.17 | asg | cthomas: in wine |
| 02:12.35 | JimButton | helix: there? |
| 02:12.42 | asg | JimButton: was earlier |
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| 02:12.48 | asg | JimButton: being mad about anime smileys |
| 02:12.54 | sAint | does libgl have many dependencies? |
| 02:13.04 | sAint | i mean.. do many things depend on it |
| 02:13.19 | JimButton | asg: oh, i don't really know what kind of smileys those are... |
| 02:13.42 | redspike | hi, how i get multi networks with iptables? like "-s 1.1.1.0/24, 2.2.2.0/16 -d 0/0" ?? |
| 02:13.43 | try_catch_this | my mouse had 5 buttons, any way to get linux to detect them and use them for special purposes? |
| 02:13.48 | Gnea | sAint: check this out: http://www.openbsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=14909 |
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| 02:14.02 | sAint | ok thanks |
| 02:14.08 | asg | JimButton: 21:51 < helix> I think maybe (>^_^)> is pretty bad |
| 02:14.30 | JimButton | asg: i have to agree with her there :) |
| 02:15.05 | sAint | same monitor :/ |
| 02:15.08 | myren | theres some weird syntax you need to echo into a passwd dialog... |
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| 02:15.17 | myren | (echo "foo") | passwd or something |
| 02:15.29 | myren | echo "foo" > passwd or something |
| 02:15.56 | ryanarn | sAint: here's a real stupid way to fix this.. get a knoppix live cd and boot your system with it.. when it boots check out /etc/X11/XF86Config and write down the modelines, then reboot the system in normal debian mode |
| 02:16.38 | Gnea | good idea |
| 02:16.47 | Gnea | hrm |
| 02:17.04 | mick_laptop | ryanarn: or copy the file to a floppy |
| 02:17.13 | ryanarn | mick_laptop: yeah, that's a smarter way to do it |
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| 02:17.21 | mick_laptop | Gnea: it should |
| 02:17.35 | sAint | ahh ryanarn thast a good idea |
| 02:17.38 | sAint | thank you |
| 02:17.48 | Gnea | mick_laptop: i've got this HP PSC 1315 that prints perfectly, but i can't get it to scan worth a shiznit |
| 02:17.55 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 02:17.58 | sAint | does the xf86config get automaticaly created according to system harware when you boot? |
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| 02:18.02 | Gnea | should be worth a shot |
| 02:18.14 | Gnea | sAint: in knoppix, yeah |
| 02:18.16 | mick_laptop | Gnea: there are a few really good sites on Linux + scanners |
| 02:18.32 | sAint | sweet thank you guys |
| 02:18.33 | Gnea | mick_laptop: i know, i've been reading them and to no avail |
| 02:18.38 | mick_laptop | sAint: on knoppix it trys to autodetect the settings |
| 02:18.38 | Gnea | np |
| 02:18.41 | sAint | gotta run for now.. ill report back in tomorrow |
| 02:18.46 | mick_laptop | you may need to tweak them |
| 02:18.56 | sAint | ok well atleast its a place to start |
| 02:19.00 | mick_laptop | Gnea: what software have you looked at? |
| 02:19.02 | sAint | see ya |
| 02:19.06 | Gnea | mick_laptop: i'll hafta boot knoppix on this other system tho, cuz i don't feel like swapping my gf4 out of my workstation |
| 02:19.08 | Eyaw_Nayr | real quick question: I have a microsoft wheel mouse, and everything works besides the scroll wheel. How can I reconfigure it to use the scroll wheel? |
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| 02:19.20 | Gnea | mick_laptop: sane, xscanimage, gimp, hpoj |
| 02:19.38 | mick_laptop | sane has the best support afaik |
| 02:19.54 | mick_laptop | and there should be an irc channel / mailinglist |
| 02:19.57 | Gnea | i've never been too good at setting up scanners in linux in the first place :/ |
| 02:20.05 | try_catch_this | my mouse had 5 buttons, any way to get linux to detect them and use them for special purposes? |
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| 02:20.17 | cafuego | Eyaw_Nayr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 - tell it to enable the scroll wheel. |
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| 02:20.37 | mick_laptop | http://www.sane-project.org also might have something |
| 02:20.40 | Eyaw_Nayr | cafuego: thanks as allways |
| 02:20.46 | asg | try_catch_this: did you try with xev + bindkeys also? |
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| 02:21.17 | try_catch_this | xev + bindkeys also? I have no Idea what this is |
| 02:21.19 | mick_laptop | my suggestion, try w/ knoppix first - then if it doesn't work... try: google, irc, mailinglists |
| 02:21.23 | cafuego | Eyaw_Nayr: one 'l', not two. |
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| 02:22.01 | cafuego | my suggestion: read the docs on what's supported before you buy shit. |
| 02:22.14 | asg | try_catch_this: then run 'xev' (click buttons, note output in the console). Then, if output occurs, use xbindkeys to map the previous 'key' or 'mouse' control codes to do 'stuff' |
| 02:22.20 | scarynetworkguy | !hardware |
| 02:22.20 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 02:22.40 | freemo | !smite dpkg |
| 02:22.47 | cafuego | !supported by |
| 02:22.47 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 02:22.52 | asg | ~kill freemo on dpkg's behalf |
| 02:22.54 | apt | ACTION shoots a charged pseudopositrino gun at freemo on dpkg's behalf |
| 02:23.06 | memoryleek | does apt-get install kernel-image<blah> actually install a precompiled kernel or does it just download the image? |
| 02:23.06 | freemo | heheheh :) |
| 02:23.19 | ryanarn | memoryleek: image is the kernel |
| 02:23.20 | helix | how difficult is it to convert php into perl? |
| 02:23.22 | asg | memoryleek: it installs a precompiled imae |
| 02:23.26 | asg | s/imae/image/ |
| 02:23.28 | cafuego | helix: ouch? |
| 02:23.30 | ryanarn | memoryleek: kernel-source is the source |
| 02:23.32 | asg | helix: very |
| 02:23.37 | memoryleek | cool so i should be ready to reboot right??? |
| 02:23.38 | helix | hm |
| 02:23.40 | mick_laptop | helix: why |
| 02:23.45 | helix | just curious |
| 02:23.48 | asg | helix: well, maybe not. It depends on the code |
| 02:23.51 | ryanarn | memoryleek: if you have grub set to auto update |
| 02:23.56 | asg | helix: and the purpose of the code |
| 02:23.58 | cafuego | helix: the other way around would be easier (if only coz I know php and not perl) |
| 02:24.02 | mick_laptop | it also depends on why she wants to do that |
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| 02:24.13 | mick_laptop | as you can have perl / php work together too |
| 02:24.17 | cafuego | mick_laptop: sucker for pain? |
| 02:24.31 | memoryleek | ryanarn: hmmm....at the end of the install i see a line that says Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst...done....is that it |
| 02:24.46 | asg | mick_laptop: someone probably wrote a script that's useful in PHP but helix doesn't want php on her box so would like a more 'perlish' solution |
| 02:24.54 | helix | heh :) |
| 02:24.54 | ryanarn | memoryleek: that sound like it.. if nothing else when you reboot you won't see the new kernel |
| 02:24.58 | helix | asg: more or less |
| 02:25.09 | asg | helix: I did the same with a python script years ago |
| 02:25.11 | ryanarn | memoryleek: check /lib/modules to make sure it put the new modules in there |
| 02:25.15 | scarynetworkguy | 'perlish' nice word |
| 02:25.19 | mick_laptop | no actually i was supposed to do a perl -> php conversion from a huge project, it was easier to leave the legacy crap and make new modules in php and have them work together |
| 02:25.23 | memoryleek | ryanarn: k |
| 02:25.29 | try_catch_this | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 02:25.34 | try_catch_this | For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
| 02:25.34 | try_catch_this | Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support! |
| 02:25.43 | asg | try_catch_this: have you asked in #debian-kde? |
| 02:25.43 | try_catch_this | I installed everything I could to try to fix this |
| 02:25.50 | helix | I don't really *mind* php, but if it would have been fairly trivial to switch it to perl, that would have been cool.. |
| 02:25.56 | try_catch_this | qt-mt |
| 02:26.04 | mick_laptop | helix: how much code? |
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| 02:26.13 | try_catch_this | no |
| 02:26.15 | memoryleek | ryanarn: there's 2.4 and 2.6 folders |
| 02:26.15 | Dossy | yay. qmail-src package won't build/install ... sigh |
| 02:26.19 | helix | mick_laptop: a few .inc files, not very many php files |
| 02:26.20 | mick_laptop | or is it an oss project? |
| 02:26.22 | asg | helix: then it's probaby fairly trivial; there isn't anything in php that can't be done in perl |
| 02:26.25 | helix | ...but I don't know php |
| 02:26.26 | trailertrash | try_catch_this, do this apt-get remove qt* |
| 02:26.38 | helix | asg: I think php has case switching |
| 02:26.44 | mick_laptop | helix: know C? |
| 02:26.45 | cafuego | helix: yes, it does. |
| 02:26.53 | helix | mick_laptop: no |
| 02:26.56 | cafuego | switch($var) { case 'foo": ... |
| 02:26.56 | asg | helix: still, that's easy to emulate in perl |
| 02:26.59 | ryanarn | memoryleek: what kernel image did you install? there should be something like /lib/modules/2.6.<whatever you installed>/ |
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| 02:27.04 | sollust | hello all...is it possible to connect two computers together using a simple telephone cord and two modems as serial ports? |
| 02:27.05 | helix | asg: how? with a bunch of elsif's? |
| 02:27.15 | Dossy | sollust: why use modems? |
| 02:27.15 | asg | helix: sure |
| 02:27.16 | memoryleek | ryanarn: yea that's it...i see it there...i'm good to go right?? |
| 02:27.17 | dan2 | asg: whats up |
| 02:27.19 | helix | yuck |
| 02:27.29 | asg | helix: case / switch is just a syntactic wrapper around such logic |
| 02:27.30 | cafuego | Dossy: Same reason you use qmail? |
| 02:27.33 | sollust | Dossy: it's what I got... |
| 02:27.35 | asg | dan2: about to go to bed |
| 02:27.41 | helix | asg: I know |
| 02:27.49 | Dossy | cafuego: the point is if the two computers are close enough to be connected by a phone cord ... why use modems? just use a serial cable ... |
| 02:27.52 | helix | but it's such a lovely syntactic wrapper.. |
| 02:27.53 | ryanarn | memoryleek: hrm I think so.. |
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| 02:28.02 | mick_laptop | it is just easier to write clean code in php vs perl (i know that i will be hated for that comment) |
| 02:28.04 | Dossy | cafuego: me using qmail is because it's what's best :P |
| 02:28.05 | sollust | Dossy: because one's a mac using the modem as serial console to the other, a PC |
| 02:28.06 | astronut | !holding |
| 02:28.06 | cafuego | Dossy: postfix is packaged for debian... why use qmail-src? |
| 02:28.09 | asg | helix: perlmonks probably has a very elegant (if not comprehensible) solution |
| 02:28.09 | astronut | !hold |
| 02:28.10 | dpkg | from memory, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold |
| 02:28.10 | The_Vulture | helix: I wouldn't say it's that different/more lovely.. *shrugs* |
| 02:28.11 | memoryleek | ryanarn: hehe...i'm gonna test it out and see what happens...thanks man |
| 02:28.18 | ryanarn | memoryleek: no problem |
| 02:28.22 | Dossy | cafuego: because qmail > postfix :) |
| 02:28.23 | dan2 | asg: I bought a 64oz gatorade, its very very good |
| 02:28.24 | The_Vulture | switches are generally reflective of a lack of generality anyway |
| 02:28.33 | The_Vulture | but a few things don't need to be all that general |
| 02:28.37 | Dossy | sollust: serial is serial -- |
| 02:28.40 | ryanarn | dan2 but is it a 64bit gatorade? |
| 02:28.41 | asg | dan2: it helps if your electrolytes are down |
| 02:28.44 | mick_laptop | i just hate that perl has no support for muti-line comments /* so called c++ style comments */ |
| 02:28.45 | Dossy | sollust: what kind of mac are you talking about? |
| 02:28.52 | cafuego | helix: But once you get to know php you'll like it. Honestly. |
| 02:28.56 | sollust | Dossy: G3/266 powermac |
| 02:28.57 | helix | asg: well, it's for an image gallery. most of them are in php. |
| 02:29.04 | The_Vulture | mick_laptop: C had that commenting style |
| 02:29.05 | dan2 | Dossy: exim > sendmail > zmailer > postfix > qmail |
| 02:29.11 | asg | helix: true, it's a good language for writing such things |
| 02:29.14 | Dossy | sollust: is the serial on that a adb port? or what? |
| 02:29.15 | asg | !start an mta war |
| 02:29.15 | dpkg | smail systems are liable to be r00ted |
| 02:29.17 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: even with the almost constant security problems? Or are those overblown? |
| 02:29.18 | The_Vulture | as did things before that probably |
| 02:29.20 | helix | cafuego: I don't have anything against php |
| 02:29.27 | Dossy | dan2 i think you have it backwards :) |
| 02:29.36 | dan2 | Dossy: not a chance, qmail sucks |
| 02:29.36 | asg | !win Dossy |
| 02:29.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, Dossy! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:29.44 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: Maybe on lindos machines where lusers run apache (and thus php) as root ;-) |
| 02:29.48 | Xenguy | !start an mta war |
| 02:29.49 | dpkg | sendmail is hard to configure |
| 02:29.49 | try_catch_this | root@box:~# apt-get remove qt |
| 02:29.49 | try_catch_this | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 02:29.50 | try_catch_this | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 02:29.50 | try_catch_this | E: Couldn't find package qt |
| 02:29.51 | mick_laptop | The_Vulture: i know, for some reason i've heard it refered to as c++ style (it was also in languages before C iirc) |
| 02:29.51 | helix | all the dire warnings about php exploitability scare me though |
| 02:29.55 | helix | try_catch_this: don't PASTE |
| 02:29.57 | helix | try_catch_this: #flood |
| 02:30.01 | asg | try_catch_this: have you asked in #debian-kde yet? |
| 02:30.03 | The_Vulture | mick_laptop: *shrugs*, odd |
| 02:30.09 | try_catch_this | asg |
| 02:30.16 | try_catch_this | try to join that channel |
| 02:30.16 | Dossy | dan2: at least with qmail, i'm not forced to keep reading security bulletins telling me i have to upgrade my MTA ... |
| 02:30.25 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: oh cool I've read about em a lot but not running it myself don't know how often it really turns into a problem |
| 02:30.30 | asg | try_catch_this: I'm there and? |
| 02:30.37 | mick_laptop | sollust: can i /msg you regarding the mac? |
| 02:30.41 | sollust | try_catch_this: apt-cache search qt |
| 02:30.48 | sollust | mick_laptop: sure... |
| 02:30.52 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: never had a problem with it. Besides, debian *does* have a security repository ;-) |
| 02:30.55 | astronut | anyone else have a problem w/ the latest mozilla-thunderbird? nothing in BTS when i checked |
| 02:30.59 | try_catch_this | you gave me the wrong channel first |
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| 02:31.07 | helix | cafuego: the problem here is that I don't run the box |
| 02:31.15 | helix | cafuego: it's an outside host :| |
| 02:31.24 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: true true. like I said just wondering |
| 02:31.27 | dan2 | Dossy: exim is secure |
| 02:31.32 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: Actually, only one problem. An issue with the wordwrap() function, so i just wrote my own three-liner. |
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| 02:31.46 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: security problem? |
| 02:31.47 | asg | try_catch_this: what did I give you? |
| 02:32.00 | Scheme | 111/tcp open rpcbind <--- is this got something to do with the bind nameserver or is it something else? |
| 02:32.00 | try_catch_this | never mind |
| 02:32.01 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: No, just a crash |
| 02:32.11 | Dossy | scheme: something else. |
| 02:32.12 | asg | Scheme: no, more for nfs / nis |
| 02:32.25 | cafuego | scheme: That's the portmapper |
| 02:32.33 | Scheme | do I need it |
| 02:32.38 | asg | Scheme: no |
| 02:32.44 | cafuego | Scheme: If you need to ask, probably not. |
| 02:32.47 | asg | Scheme: if you did, you'd know you did |
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| 02:32.57 | Scheme | cool. |
| 02:32.59 | cafuego | helix: What distro is the outside host using? |
| 02:33.00 | Scheme | How can I stop it |
| 02:33.02 | Scheme | its not in inetd |
| 02:33.06 | helix | cafuego: I think RH |
| 02:33.07 | cafuego | Scheme: dpkg --purge portmap |
| 02:33.11 | cafuego | helix: Hmm. |
| 02:33.15 | helix | cafuego: ...I don't have shell access either |
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| 02:33.26 | fmatheus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.32 | cafuego | helix: make a page containing <?php phpinfo() ?> |
| 02:33.38 | helix | hey, good idea ;) |
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| 02:33.55 | Caelum | my cat finds the printer amusing |
| 02:34.23 | Orlino | I have a PIII 933 with 3 slots for PC133 ram. Whats the limit to the amount of mem a slot can hold and/or the system? |
| 02:34.27 | Scheme | and whats this one |
| 02:34.28 | Scheme | dpkg --purge portmap |
| 02:34.28 | dpkg | Scheme: are you smoking crack? |
| 02:34.28 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: cool |
| 02:34.28 | cafuego | helix: 2.4.20 and ext3? *wheee*! |
| 02:34.30 | Scheme | errr |
| 02:34.30 | asg | Caelum: your cat is just learning to counterfit cash to buy more treats |
| 02:34.35 | Scheme | 953/tcp open rndc |
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| 02:34.44 | cafuego | Scheme: That's bind9 |
| 02:34.46 | asg | Scheme: that's part of bind9 |
| 02:34.59 | holo | my fly finds my lcd amusing |
| 02:35.01 | fmatheus | asg, xchat has changed my tab |
| 02:35.02 | Caelum | Orlino: look at your motherboard manual |
| 02:35.11 | cafuego | Orlino: Probably 3GB. |
| 02:35.13 | Orlino | Caelum: don't have it :) |
| 02:35.16 | astronut | anyone else have a problem w/ the latest mozilla-thunderbird? it won't show the list of messages for me.. nothing in BTS... |
| 02:35.24 | Caelum | Orlino: which you can find on the manufacturer's web site (along with new bios) |
| 02:35.24 | Scheme | bind also uses port 53 right |
| 02:35.27 | cafuego | Orlino: You don't want to be paying for 2GB sticks of PC133 |
| 02:35.38 | cafuego | Scheme: yes. rndc is the control channel. |
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| 02:35.52 | helix | cafuego: so what should I look for? |
| 02:35.54 | Orlino | cafuego: ram is cheap I think |
| 02:36.11 | cafuego | Orlino: Not 2Gb sticks, not of that old variety. |
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| 02:36.28 | cafuego | helix: The top box probably has a compiled on... |
| 02:36.33 | Caelum | you likely don't need more than a gig |
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| 02:36.37 | Orlino | cafuego: I currently have 2x 256 and 1x 128, want to replace 128 with 512 |
| 02:36.40 | helix | oh, I thought I should look for other stuff :) |
| 02:36.46 | cafuego | helix: Give me the uri and I'll tell you if it's hackable or not ;-) |
| 02:36.54 | helix | uhh |
| 02:37.03 | cafuego | Orlino: That will work just fine. |
| 02:37.05 | helix | 2.4.20-30.7.legacy #1 Fri Feb 20 |
| 02:37.11 | helix | FEBRUARY? |
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| 02:37.22 | Orlino | cafuego: yeah thats cool |
| 02:37.24 | cafuego | helix: That'll be february 2003 as well |
| 02:37.46 | cafuego | helix: redhat 7 |
| 02:37.56 | cafuego | 7.2 in fact |
| 02:38.03 | helix | Dear $HOSTING_COMPANY, Upgrade your fucking kernel. kthx, helix" |
| 02:38.11 | kruzi | hahahaha |
| 02:38.28 | cafuego | helix: For $44/m you can have Debian ;-) |
| 02:38.33 | helix | um |
| 02:38.37 | cthomas | isn't that an exploitable version? |
| 02:38.41 | cafuego | helix: AU$ |
| 02:38.58 | helix | cafuego: that's still probably US$30 or so |
| 02:39.00 | sloopy | helix: they are trying to keep their killer uptime? :') |
| 02:39.03 | Scheme | helix |
| 02:39.03 | helix | and hosted in AU? pfft. |
| 02:39.08 | Scheme | which hosting company are you using.. |
| 02:39.09 | cafuego | helix: it is now, yes. |
| 02:39.16 | helix | Scheme: a crappy one |
| 02:39.21 | cafuego | helix: P'ah! I got gigabit! |
| 02:39.26 | cthomas | mang.. |
| 02:39.26 | Scheme | pm me the URL |
| 02:39.27 | helix | cafuego: I ph34r the AU lack of bandwidth |
| 02:39.29 | helix | Scheme: why? |
| 02:39.36 | Scheme | wanna look at it |
| 02:39.37 | Scheme | :P |
| 02:39.39 | helix | Scheme: fuck off |
| 02:39.52 | Scheme | LOL! |
| 02:40.00 | cafuego | helix: My box doesn't use Telstra's link |
| 02:40.05 | helix | cafuego: ah |
| 02:40.13 | helix | I think I saw you mention something about that |
| 02:40.16 | helix | you must be down with the mafia |
| 02:40.36 | asg | helix: at least he isn't using 'bob2 bandwidth (TM)' |
| 02:40.39 | helix | haha |
| 02:40.43 | cafuego | helix: The martitime worker's union is nextdoor <heh> |
| 02:40.43 | Oatmeat | if I'm using iwconfig to manage my wireless card, should there still be entries in /etc/network/interfaces for wlan0? |
| 02:40.45 | helix | yeah really |
| 02:40.53 | helix | that's some fisher price, My First Bandwidth |
| 02:41.02 | cafuego | "if you don't host with me i'll send 2 dockers to your house" |
| 02:41.06 | helix | cafuego: heh |
| 02:41.08 | asg | helix: hahaha |
| 02:41.15 | helix | cafuego: ...send cute ones ;) |
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| 02:41.35 | cafuego | helix: I'm afraid they're all ugly and say "fuckin' fuck" a lot. |
| 02:41.43 | cafuego | (loudly, too) |
| 02:41.43 | helix | I wonder if I should write to this company |
| 02:41.53 | helix | I mean |
| 02:41.58 | helix | this kernel is way too old |
| 02:42.00 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: a sure sign of a large vocabulary... |
| 02:42.02 | asg | helix: had an old 300 baud modem for my C64 called 'mighty mo' (that's FP Bandwidth) |
| 02:42.08 | helix | heh |
| 02:42.12 | helix | true |
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| 02:42.20 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: That reminds me of a very funny comedian... |
| 02:42.36 | asg | cafuego: Billy Connely? |
| 02:42.53 | cafuego | asg: No, Darren Casey |
| 02:42.57 | kaplanfx | dang first time my cable modem went down since I got comcast 3 months ago :( |
| 02:43.05 | kaplanfx | modem needed a reboot |
| 02:43.17 | asg | cafuego: the name seems familiar |
| 02:43.52 | cafuego | homeless woman asks for money; casey says no; woman says 'well fuck off then you fuckign fuck'; casey asks: what would you do if i DID give you 20 cents, buy a thesaurus? |
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| 02:44.07 | memoryleek | sweeeeeeeetttttt it works |
| 02:44.46 | asg | cafuego: the Roget Petrol Station Edition? |
| 02:44.58 | cafuego | helix: If it's an consolation, the perl fversion on a box that crusty is probably also full of holes. |
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| 02:45.08 | helix | :/ |
| 02:45.19 | cafuego | asg: It's better with actual intonation ;-) |
| 02:45.40 | asg | cafuego: yeah, I've seen similar gags before |
| 02:45.42 | astronut | anyone else have a problem w/ the latest mozilla-thunderbird? it won't show the list of messages for me.. nothing in BTS... |
| 02:46.03 | asg | astronut: then file a bug report (/msg dpkg bts) |
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| 02:46.27 | astronut | k |
| 02:46.43 | Oatmeat | are there any graphical tools for debian for connecting to a wireless access point? |
| 02:46.44 | cafuego | Amazing how many redhat webservers you find if you plug that kernel revision into google :-) |
| 02:46.54 | cafuego | Oatmeat: kwifimanager |
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| 02:47.13 | dan2 | asg: I know you aren't doing anything now, you should write a dbmail-utils spec |
| 02:47.16 | cafuego | Oatmeat: Last month's Linux Journal has an article on it. |
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| 02:47.48 | keep | whats best channel for help with debian and nvidia drivers i cant bring up the room list? |
| 02:47.55 | helix | do you think they'll upgrade their kernels if I threaten to take my business elsewhere? |
| 02:48.01 | cafuego | helix: Nah |
| 02:48.02 | dondelelcaro | keep: #nvidia? |
| 02:48.15 | helix | cafuego: why not? |
| 02:48.28 | keep | lol i they said #debian lol |
| 02:48.40 | dondelelcaro | keep: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:48.41 | cafuego | keep: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 02:48.45 | dondelelcaro | !win me |
| 02:48.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, dondelelcaro! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 02:48.48 | cafuego | !lose dondelelcaro |
| 02:48.49 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: You Lose. |
| 02:48.54 | helix | nah, dondelelcaro won |
| 02:49.01 | keep | K thanks |
| 02:49.10 | cafuego | helix: Not on my BOB2[TM]OZFIBRE link |
| 02:49.16 | helix | heh |
| 02:49.22 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. |
| 02:49.27 | helix | what kind of fiber? thread? :) |
| 02:49.39 | cafuego | helix: brown bread,a ctually |
| 02:49.45 | helix | fancy |
| 02:50.01 | helix | well, as an unbiased third party |
| 02:50.03 | helix | !win dondelelcaro |
| 02:50.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, dondelelcaro! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:50.21 | cafuego | helix: You are SO biased it's not funny |
| 02:50.23 | helix | cafuego: so why do you think they won't upgrade? |
| 02:50.24 | dondelelcaro | whoohoo! I'm beautiful and rolling in spam! |
| 02:50.27 | helix | dude, I am sooo not |
| 02:50.28 | morbius | anybody able to help me w/setting up partitions? in the past I have always just created 2, 1 for the swap and the other being the file system and let it create itself but i wanted to be more specific about what gets what size and i am unclear about what steps to take in cdisk |
| 02:50.37 | cafuego | helix: Lotta work for a single poor customer |
| 02:50.40 | helix | cafuego: I could take a screenshot :| |
| 02:50.51 | helix | cafuego: what if I mention it on their message board with dire warnings? |
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| 02:51.04 | cafuego | helix: Do you think I'm dumb enough to believe you couldn't gimp a screenshot? |
| 02:51.06 | helix | lots of customers read that :) |
| 02:51.07 | dondelelcaro | morbius: the install manual has a bunch of information on operating cfdisk... |
| 02:51.11 | Scheme | Then they'd remove your post. |
| 02:51.28 | helix | that would be very bad business indeed |
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| 02:51.40 | cafuego | helix: Well, email 'em anyway and see what they say. |
| 02:51.45 | helix | cafuego: yeah, I did email |
| 02:51.50 | helix | but assuming they do nothing |
| 02:51.52 | Scheme | 2.4.20 |
| 02:51.56 | helix | seriously though, since 2003? COME ON |
| 02:51.59 | Scheme | thats like |
| 02:52.02 | Scheme | the standard kernel. |
| 02:52.08 | Scheme | that come out with r2 debian.. |
| 02:52.09 | Scheme | idnt it.. |
| 02:52.12 | cafuego | helix: if they do nothing, we DoS them into action. Easy. |
| 02:52.14 | asg | Scheme: no, 2.4.18 |
| 02:52.18 | helix | cafuego: cool :) |
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| 02:52.26 | kurumin | r |
| 02:52.28 | Scheme | hmm |
| 02:52.31 | cthomas | maybe that's the kernel that the install came with ;) |
| 02:52.31 | asg | Scheme: but security patches were backported |
| 02:52.34 | slyfun | can someone help me out, i'm trying to get my wlan card up and running. the module loads, i get a link light, but i can't route any packets to the router, i get "Destination Host Unreachable" |
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| 02:52.41 | Scheme | the disk I had installed a 2.4.20 kernel. |
| 02:52.44 | slyfun | i'm totally confused |
| 02:52.45 | Scheme | Althought another one I used |
| 02:52.49 | helix | cthomas: I don't think 2.4.20 comes with RH 7.2 |
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| 02:52.53 | Scheme | installed a the 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 02:52.56 | asg | Scheme: then it wasn't a 'woody' disc |
| 02:53.00 | cthomas | oh... |
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| 02:53.02 | rdk | Hey, I've been trying to set up a Debian dual-boot on this system, using the network install, and I'm having a bit of trouble connecting to the mirror to download the basic package, but the installer's failing to connect to the mirror after succesfully detecting the network settings via (dhcp?). Does anyone have any ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? |
| 02:53.14 | cafuego | 2.4.20 came with sarge for a while, didn't it? |
| 02:53.24 | cafuego | And some custom netinsts too |
| 02:53.25 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: probably.... |
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| 02:53.29 | kurumin | er |
| 02:53.34 | Scheme | my systems running sarge.. doesn't have any problems with it. |
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| 02:53.37 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: would have to check sdn to really know though. |
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| 02:53.49 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: too much work |
| 02:53.52 | helix | is there somewhere I can find a list of the exploits on 2.4.20? |
| 02:53.53 | cthomas | how many here run the 2.4 branch versus 2.6? |
| 02:53.55 | helix | and up? |
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| 02:54.14 | dondelelcaro | cthomas: yes. |
| 02:54.17 | cafuego | cthomas: racist |
| 02:54.18 | slyfun | wlan experts? |
| 02:54.20 | asg | cthomas: I do on all servers and sid in vmware (I'm testing 2.6 on a few servers though) |
| 02:54.30 | slyfun | anyone? |
| 02:54.31 | try_catch_this | someone was telling me just now about how to try t detect extra buttons on my mouse i am sorry but I missed that |
| 02:54.36 | cafuego | 2.0.40 OR DEATH! |
| 02:54.50 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: your problem most likely stems because you don't have the right route (or even ip) on that card. |
| 02:55.12 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: well, i've got an ip on the card, but i'm not sure how to know if i've got the right route |
| 02:55.14 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: run ifconfig -a; to figure out what card the wlan is on, then man 5 interfaces; and set up /etc/network/interfaces; appropriately. |
| 02:55.18 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: check route -n; |
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| 02:55.42 | cafuego | At least that's what uptime says. |
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| 02:55.57 | cthomas | any opinions on the best quality 2.6 version? |
| 02:56.05 | try_catch_this | what would I use to detect extra buttons on my mouse and use them for other functions |
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| 02:56.06 | asg | cafuego: heavily loaded 'production servers' though? |
| 02:56.10 | cafuego | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1M 2004-02-20 10:46 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.3 |
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| 02:56.19 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: but weren't you the one who had a machine with whacked jiffies? |
| 02:56.23 | cafuego | asg: it was until about a month ago, yes. |
| 02:56.27 | helix | jiffies? |
| 02:56.30 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: i did, the setting is the same as my ethernet connection |
| 02:56.35 | Scheme | I run 2.6.8.1... no problems yet.. |
| 02:56.38 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: route -n, that is |
| 02:56.42 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: paste the output into #flood |
| 02:56.45 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Not on *that* box, so. |
| 02:56.48 | asg | cthomas: well, the 2.6.8.1 kernel image in debian completely breaks tg3 broadcom ethernet drivers (again) (2.6.7 works) |
| 02:57.02 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: The crusty SuSE 6 box with half debian and a 2.6 kernel, yes. |
| 02:57.17 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh. paste the uptime again! ;-) |
| 02:57.20 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: But that runs W2K for dev purposes atm. |
| 02:57.23 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: only problem is, when i plug in the pcmcia card, my ethernet goes down :/ |
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| 02:57.27 | scarynetworkguy | why do I find the whole concept of xemacs so funny |
| 02:57.27 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 02:57.41 | ixi-deb04 | hi |
| 02:57.43 | asg | scarynetworkguy: motif > console? |
| 02:58.03 | udo | night |
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| 02:58.15 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: ok, i just pasted in #flood |
| 02:58.15 | cafuego | lunch time |
| 02:58.15 | dondelelcaro | helix: jiffies are the kernel method of counting time since startup... I think there are 100 jiffies in one second... but I may be mistaken. |
| 02:58.19 | scarynetworkguy | asg: I don't know. It just cracks me up |
| 02:58.21 | helix | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 02:58.23 | calmar | hi all. I'm not sure where to ask. So, I installed the complete sarge CD1. I need to install some drivers. for that I need the kernel sources. for that I want to compile a new kernel (actually in the normal way). when I do a make menuconfig, it claims it could not find ncurses. but ncurses are there at /lib/libncurses.so.5 and /lib/ncurses.so.5.4. Is there maybe missing a libncurse.so (without a number?) |
| 02:58.36 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: ok, you've got two default routes. That's not going to work. |
| 02:58.46 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 02:58.59 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: or at least, it's not going to work without reading the lartc |
| 02:59.00 | asg | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 02:59.03 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: so, what do i do? |
| 02:59.06 | scarynetworkguy | asg: :D |
| 02:59.13 | cafuego | calmar: libncurses5-dev (the headers) |
| 02:59.15 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: route del default 192.168.1.1 eth1; or similar |
| 02:59.15 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: lartc? |
| 02:59.18 | slyfun | ah |
| 02:59.18 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
| 02:59.18 | dpkg | the LARTC HOWTO can be found at http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 02:59.21 | ixi-deb04 | I found strange process in process list. I have no idea who could run it! Its full command line is: "/usr/bin/find / ( -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs -o -fstype afs -o -fstype proc -o -fstype smbfs -o -fstype autofs -o -fstype iso9660 -o -fstype ncpfs -o -fstype coda -o -fstype devpts -o -fstype ftpfs -o -fstype devfs -o -fstype mfs -o -type d -regex \(^/tmp$\)\|\(^/usr/tmp$\)\|\(^/var/tmp$\)\|\(^/afs$\)\|\(^/amd$\)\|\(^/alex$\)\|\(^/var/spool$\)\|\(^/sfs$\) |
| 02:59.28 | asg | cafuego: and install 'build-essential' also |
| 02:59.32 | cthomas | calmar : consider downloading one of the prebuilt debian kernels, they come with the kitchen sink as far a modules go |
| 02:59.34 | scarynetworkguy | calmar: apt-get install ncurses-dev |
| 02:59.41 | cafuego | ixi-deb04: That's 'updatedb', runs every day. |
| 02:59.44 | asg | ixi-deb04: debian doing standard daily cleanup and maintenance |
| 02:59.50 | cafuego | ixi-deb04: it updates the DB used by 'locate'. |
| 03:00.02 | calmar | cafuego: I see thanks. I try again. also thx to cthomas,scarynetworkguy |
| 03:00.20 | ixi-deb04 | asg, cafuego: ah... thanks god. I thought it was malicious hacker! :) |
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| 03:00.40 | Gnea | mick_laptop: well i've made little progress - i've read the mailing list and no one's responding in #sane, so i modified my cli to: scanimage -d hpoj:mlc:usb:PSC_1315 and now i get: scanimage: open of device hpoj:mlc:usb:PSC_1315 failed: Error during device I/O |
| 03:00.46 | dondelelcaro | mwhahahahahaha... the malicious Debian Developer Cracker Attacks Again! |
| 03:00.51 | asg | dondelelcaro: heheh |
| 03:01.07 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: okay, when i ifdown eth0 (my ethernet) what i get is in #flood |
| 03:01.07 | asg | dondelelcaro: when will the DDCAA be in sarge! ? |
| 03:01.20 | Gnea | mick_laptop: celery ptal-mlcd: SYSLOG at /home/msp/src/debian/hpoj/hpoj-0.91/mlcd/ExMgr.h:646, dev=<mlc:usb:PSC_1315@/dev/usb/lp0>, pid=23682, e=11, t=1095463116 ptal-mlcd successfully activated, mode=1284.4. <- syslog entry |
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| 03:01.22 | morbius | dondelelcaro: well im basically at the point where i dont really know a suggested size for / partition... |
| 03:01.24 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: ok, what is the output of iwconfig eth1; ? |
| 03:01.52 | dondelelcaro | morbius: depends on how many other partitions you have. Mine usually varies from 500M to 1G, depending. |
| 03:01.53 | ixi-deb04 | cafuego: I wonder why it uses 98% of cpu. Why not to run it with lower proirity? Even my mouse becomes sick |
| 03:02.01 | Gnea | morbius: 50gigs! ;) |
| 03:02.03 | dondelelcaro | morbius: but then I use a lot of partition |
| 03:02.09 | dondelelcaro | s/ion/ions/ |
| 03:02.12 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: that's it |
| 03:02.15 | mool | Anyone know what [DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.] relates to and how to fix it? |
| 03:02.24 | asg | ixi-deb04: it usually runs when you are supposed to be sleeping |
| 03:02.27 | mool | in my XFREE86log |
| 03:02.40 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: hrm... that looks fine. Take down that interface, bring it back up, and try again. |
| 03:02.48 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 03:03.18 | ixi-deb04 | asg: really? Then how to configure my sleeptime? :) You see usually I sleep from 7:00 till 15:00 =) |
| 03:03.22 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: one more thing... what is the topology of this network? is it wirelesscard->wirelessrouter->router->internet? |
| 03:03.24 | morbius | I want to put my /boot, /, /tmp and /var partitions on one drive and /usr, /home on another |
| 03:03.40 | asg | ixi-deb04: check the /etc/cron.daily directory |
| 03:03.52 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: still destination unreachable |
| 03:03.54 | dondelelcaro | morbius: probably 1->1.5G then... |
| 03:04.05 | timzter | I see a directory owned by a uid/gid of 290, which is not represented in /etc/passwd. How could the directory have been created with such an inexistent uid/gid? |
| 03:04.08 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: what about the network topology? are you connecting through a wireless router? |
| 03:04.13 | ixi-deb04 | asg: thnx |
| 03:04.23 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: yes, it's a smc wireless box |
| 03:04.25 | asg | ixi-deb04: that is likely where the job is running from. You can move it to /etc/cron.d (but you'll have to tweak the script) |
| 03:04.36 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: that then connects to the internet through another router? |
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| 03:04.47 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: nah, that *is* the router |
| 03:04.47 | try_catch_this | what would I use to detect extra buttons on my mouse and use them for other functions |
| 03:04.52 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: ok... |
| 03:05.06 | mwilson | timzter: Huh? I can create anything with any UID/GID I like. |
| 03:05.17 | mick_laptop | Gnea: my only advice is to google the error message and look to see if it was posted in a newsgroup, as i haven't worked with scanners in a while (i have no need because i use a digital camera) |
| 03:05.18 | morbius | hmmm...why is that after i make /dev/hda4 the rest of the space is 'Unusable'? |
| 03:05.29 | mick_laptop | Gnea: which btw is sooooo much easier to use :) |
| 03:05.37 | dli_ | where and how to specify the binding interface of dhcp3 server? not in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ? |
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| 03:05.52 | dondelelcaro | dli_: it by default binds to everything. |
| 03:06.06 | timzter | mwilson: oh. if you do that and you set the permissions to rw-r--r--, that means only root can delete it? |
| 03:06.07 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: i don't think it's a router issue, the eth0 connection can ping the router |
| 03:06.10 | slyfun | hmm |
| 03:06.22 | dli_ | dondelelcaro: we want it be eth2? |
| 03:06.23 | mwilson | timzter: It does? |
| 03:07.03 | timzter | mwilson: I mean if it the directory is owned by a user which doesnt exist on the system, obviously such a 'user' can't log in to delete or change the file |
| 03:07.04 | dondelelcaro | dli_: set INTERFACES in /etc/default/dhcpd3-server |
| 03:07.14 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: ah, sonofa, freakin wep was set |
| 03:07.21 | dondelelcaro | dli_: rrr... dhcpd dhcp3-server |
| 03:07.25 | dondelelcaro | slyfun: that'll do it. |
| 03:07.40 | dli_ | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot, why wouldn't they put it in dhcpd.conf? just want to fool me? |
| 03:07.50 | kaplanfx | anyone seen http://onefinger.sourceforge.net/ ??? I don't know what to make of that |
| 03:07.56 | dondelelcaro | dli_: that's how ISC's dhcpd server has always done it. |
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| 03:09.21 | hoebitch | i really need some help |
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| 03:09.33 | hoebitch | :( |
| 03:09.45 | hoebitch | i am getting a kernel panic error after installing kernel 2.6.8.1 |
| 03:09.47 | kaplanfx | hoebitch: well the amazing kreskin isn't here |
| 03:09.50 | nvz | hoebitch: me too. I didnt understand where the question was to be interpreted from that statment. |
| 03:10.04 | nvz | hoebitch: do you use lilo? |
| 03:10.05 | kaplanfx | and? |
| 03:10.25 | nvz | hoebitch: Are you in fact a hoe and a bitch? |
| 03:10.37 | hoebitch | yes i use lilo |
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| 03:10.52 | hoebitch | i get bitchy when i dont understand how to get debian to work correctly |
| 03:10.53 | aTypical | Does using lilo make one a how bitch? |
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| 03:10.57 | aTypical | s/how/hoe |
| 03:10.59 | nvz | hoebitch: and you installed a debian kernel image without reating the post install messages? |
| 03:11.14 | hoebitch | someone actually did it for me |
| 03:11.16 | hoebitch | and it did function |
| 03:11.21 | Honey | To configure debian to connect to my home wireless network, should I edit /etc/network/interfaces somehow or use iwconfig somehow? |
| 03:11.22 | hoebitch | but none of my devices like pcmcia worked |
| 03:11.28 | kaplanfx | hoebitch: uh, he wants to know if you ran /sbin/lilo |
| 03:11.30 | hoebitch | then for some reason it stopped working |
| 03:11.34 | hoebitch | yes. |
| 03:11.35 | nvz | aTypical: no, just wondering if a hoe bitch existed, and where, so I can relocate if nessicary. |
| 03:11.36 | hoebitch | ive ran it. |
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| 03:11.43 | hoebitch | im also confused about my lilo.conf file |
| 03:11.44 | asg | nvz: probably a reference to Weird Al's 'Amish Paradise' |
| 03:11.50 | aTypical | nvz, los angeles, california. |
| 03:11.53 | hoebitch | it seems to be using an old conf file for some reason |
| 03:11.55 | kaplanfx | when is the kernel panicking? |
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| 03:12.00 | hoebitch | does anybody know where that can be found |
| 03:12.15 | nvz | hoebitch: yeah well with lilo, it tells you to add an initrd line to lilo.conf and run lilo before booting that kernel |
| 03:12.21 | slyfun | dondelelcaro: yeah, sonofa |
| 03:12.25 | Gnea | mick_laptop: cool, i'm doing that as well - yeah i have a digital camera and i agree, it's much better - but there are many times when scanning a print or something in is necessary for my work :) |
| 03:12.28 | nullguy | i hate the way debian distinguishes emacs, and emacs21 |
| 03:12.31 | nullguy | there is no difference |
| 03:12.31 | nvz | hoebitch: unless you have some do_initrd or something set |
| 03:12.36 | nvz | hoebitch: happens alot |
| 03:12.38 | nullguy | why do they have both? |
| 03:12.40 | hoebitch | nvz : that has been done |
| 03:12.41 | nullguy | or even |
| 03:12.45 | nullguy | emacs21-x |
| 03:12.46 | hoebitch | initrd is in there |
| 03:13.08 | nvz | hoebitch: you could give a real error message. maybe you got the wrong cpu arch |
| 03:13.11 | Gnea | mick_laptop: as i tend to rely on debian for the work that i do at home and elsewhere as it is much more stable and more flexible than windowsXP/2k could ever hope to be |
| 03:13.31 | hoebitch | i am going to paste my lilo config in #flood |
| 03:13.33 | hoebitch | one second |
| 03:13.40 | hoebitch | lba32 |
| 03:13.40 | Honey | is there a guide to setting up wireless networking at home? |
| 03:13.44 | hoebitch | oops |
| 03:13.56 | Oatmeat | in windows, I can just browse the networks and pick one... |
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| 03:15.13 | rdk | A bit more information on my problem (network installation failing), the precise error message is "The server was unavailable or contained no Release file". This is after dhcp indicates success. |
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| 03:15.58 | hoebitch | ok ive pasted my lilo conf |
| 03:16.00 | hoebitch | in #flood |
| 03:16.03 | kaplanfx | is there anything program like quicken for linux that is actually decent? |
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| 03:16.12 | asg | kaplanfx: gnucash? |
| 03:16.20 | mung | Does anyone know how I can remap my keyboard via bash? |
| 03:16.26 | hoebitch | now i am rebooting to paste error message |
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| 03:16.38 | mung | my space bar is broken :( |
| 03:16.39 | kaplanfx | asg: can that d/l account info from the net? I'm way to lazy to enter it myself all the time |
| 03:16.40 | hoebitch | its using an old lilo config file though |
| 03:16.42 | asg | kaplanfx: if that doesn't suit your needs, buy codeweavers' wine implementation and run quicken that way |
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| 03:16.53 | hoebitch | because i used to have a message setup |
| 03:17.00 | hoebitch | but i removed that from the lilo conf |
| 03:17.00 | Oatmeat | it seems like every linux thing I find about wireless talks about connecting to random networks... I don't want that.. I want to use my home network |
| 03:17.03 | hoebitch | but it still shows up on boot |
| 03:17.09 | asg | kaplanfx: I don't know if it can or not, mrs. asg hand hacks our finances |
| 03:17.15 | hoebitch | so where could it be grabbing the config from if not /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 03:17.37 | hoebitch | kernel panis: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(3,1) |
| 03:17.46 | mwilson | hoebitch: Nowhere. |
| 03:17.53 | Gnea | Oatmeat: something like airsnort or kismet will do the same |
| 03:17.53 | nvz | hoebitch: oh well, you will need to figure out what your problem is dont care to keep guessing at what you should already know, examine the error. |
| 03:18.03 | Oatmeat | Gnea: That's not what I want |
| 03:18.09 | Oatmeat | I don't want to hijack somebody else's network |
| 03:18.10 | hoebitch | nvz if i am not an expert at linux how should i know this |
| 03:18.15 | Oatmeat | I just want debian to be able to use my own |
| 03:18.17 | Gnea | Oatmeat: wtf do i look like, santa claus? |
| 03:18.20 | hoebitch | how on earth am i supposed to automatically know what is causing the problem |
| 03:18.21 | Gnea | idiot. |
| 03:18.26 | Oatmeat | Gnea: ... |
| 03:18.32 | hoebitch | and trust me i have tried to find the answer online and nothing has pointed me in the right direction |
| 03:18.34 | kaplanfx | asg: yeah, it says here on the page that there is no online banking for americans only germans. aparently banks hide their OFX server urls, which must be were the info is obtained from |
| 03:18.36 | kaplanfx | doh |
| 03:18.49 | Gnea | Oatmeat: yes, they are wifi network scanners, no they are not necessarily for hijacking networks. |
| 03:18.54 | asg | kaplanfx: :( |
| 03:19.08 | Gnea | just because some use them for that purpose does not mean that that is their primary purpose. |
| 03:19.18 | nvz | hoebitch: most people know an error when they see one, without knowing the error, we cant jump to conclusions as to how to fix it. I tried that, twice, two most common ones I thought of didnt work. |
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| 03:20.00 | memoryleek | how do i change backgrounds in fluxbox? |
| 03:20.06 | Gnea | Oatmeat: you just said you could browse wifi networks in windows and connect to one - well that's what programs like airsnort and kismet allow you to do - there's absolutely no difference. |
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| 03:20.12 | asg | memoryleek: man xsetroot |
| 03:20.18 | kaplanfx | all I really need left to go all linux is decent quicken like program, and a spreadsheet that is actually compareable and truly compatible with excel. everything else is as good or better right now |
| 03:20.20 | memoryleek | thanx |
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| 03:20.26 | Gnea | so please, get your facts straight. |
| 03:20.26 | asg | memoryleek: or Esetroot (in the eterm package) if you want pictures |
| 03:20.28 | hoebitch | i just pasted the error |
| 03:20.58 | cafuego | kaplanfx: I find OpenOffice Calc is actually *better* than excel. |
| 03:21.03 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:21.08 | Oatmeat | ok |
| 03:21.44 | Oatmeat | so if I manage to get wireless networking to work by using iwconfig, how do I get those settings to persist from one boot to another? |
| 03:21.51 | memoryleek | nvz: what are the packages for gqview?? |
| 03:21.54 | BlackJudas | What proggie can I use to strip all ID3 tags from a directory of mp3's??? |
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| 03:22.00 | Gnea | kaplanfx: openoffice is pretty snazzy these days and gnumeric is a good companion for spreadsheet stuff - quicken-like stuff still seems to be on a backburner to heat-up phase |
| 03:22.02 | asg | memoryleek: gqview is the package |
| 03:22.03 | nvz | memoryleek: gqview |
| 03:22.15 | memoryleek | nice...thanks |
| 03:22.27 | mwilson | Problem with gnumeric is you have to install all the Gnome-crap. |
| 03:22.45 | nvz | memoryleek: I like it, simple image viewer, and it sets root window with a hotkey if you dont have some higer level desktop like nautilus running on top of the root window |
| 03:22.59 | memoryleek | i swear apt is the coolest way to install software |
| 03:23.00 | Gnea | Oatmeat: i had to reinstall my workstation so i'm doing this from memory for the most part - usually in places like /etc/network/* and /etc/pcmcia/* |
| 03:23.09 | memoryleek | nvz: what would the hotkey be? |
| 03:23.17 | asg | nvz: you don't have enought aggregate computing power at your disposal to comfortably run gnome :p |
| 03:23.23 | cthomas | !interfaces |
| 03:23.24 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 03:23.41 | nvz | memoryleek: well its cool.. there are others. Aptitude, and Synaptic are popular |
| 03:23.49 | kaplanfx | Gnea: not if you are a financial analyst, they are fine for light use but the break any of my complex models |
| 03:23.57 | memoryleek | nvz: cool man thanks |
| 03:24.03 | kaplanfx | s/the/they |
| 03:24.04 | Gnea | Oatmeat: i did a lot of reading in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/ |
| 03:24.14 | Gnea | kaplanfx: exactly. |
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| 03:24.16 | TU | With a VPN If i was behind a NAT with no ports forwarded to me could i use the VPN like i was transparently connected to a WAN that the VPN was connected thru? (Ie run a server) as long as the VPN server was setup properly |
| 03:24.18 | kaplanfx | cafuego: what do you use calc for? |
| 03:24.24 | nvz | asg: BS, this T-Rex the Intel PIIX4 200, is running a vncserver with gnome and I view it on the Vaio running XP |
| 03:24.50 | nvz | asg: I dont have nautilus installed |
| 03:24.53 | asg | nvz: running gnome != comfortably using it |
| 03:25.03 | asg | nvz: I know what you mean though |
| 03:25.19 | nvz | asg: its running fine, 16bit 800x600 in XP on Vaio 800 |
| 03:25.52 | nvz | asg: firefox is slow starting, but I can leave it in another workspace, or hit the window key and start it in XP on the Vaio |
| 03:26.32 | nvz | hell I can play games fine through vnc, like Freecraft, clanbomber |
| 03:27.47 | nvz | I got this box mainly just running an aterm, skipped and ignored on the root window, running screen with irssi, and cplay, and a mixer, and it mixes the vaio, its playback, and the xbox to the two sound systems |
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| 03:28.29 | nvz | just use it as an IRC proxy and Audio Mixer |
| 03:28.38 | destr0 | is there a way to extract a tar archive without it trying to assign the userid/gid to files that they had on an old system? |
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| 03:29.16 | nvz | was supposed to be NFS/SMB fileserver, but I havent had those services running in awhile |
| 03:29.30 | asg | destr0: man tar (--no-same-owner) |
| 03:29.31 | cafuego | kaplanfx: Tracking IP assignments, pricing reports, tax shit. |
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| 03:30.18 | nullguy | does debian provide a xmms skin package? |
| 03:30.20 | kingsley | It appears that my 18G SCSI hard drive is dying a slow and bizzare death. Would anyone here care to recommend a contemporary replacement? |
| 03:30.22 | cafuego | Though admittedly the tax shit is just reporting too, the actual processing/storage I do in mysql/php. |
| 03:30.28 | kaplanfx | cafuego: yeah I could see it would be decent for that, but like I said, it breaks my finance models much of the time, and the graphing is not as sophisticated which I often need to use for presentations |
| 03:30.45 | asg | nullguy: does 'apt-cache search xmms skin' provide any fruitful evidence? |
| 03:30.47 | cafuego | Don't get me started on presentations... |
| 03:31.00 | kaplanfx | cafuego: well if it breaks my models, I can't use it |
| 03:31.04 | cafuego | kingsley: two IDE 80G drives in raid mode. Same price, too ;-) |
| 03:31.07 | nullguy | yep got it |
| 03:31.09 | nullguy | sorry,t hansk |
| 03:31.13 | nullguy | thanks asg |
| 03:31.21 | kaplanfx | cafuego: I started redeveloping my models but some features just weren't there or didn't work correctly |
| 03:31.21 | cafuego | kaplanfx: it's hardly OO's fault you use proprietary stuff |
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| 03:31.32 | kaplanfx | cafuego: its not proprietary |
| 03:31.51 | kaplanfx | cafuego: they are built using excels formule |
| 03:31.56 | cafuego | kaplanfx: The excel featuritis? of course it is. |
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| 03:32.35 | kingsley | cafuego: Thanks. Are you using it? |
| 03:32.36 | kaplanfx | cafuego: well you can do things in excel you still can't in OO |
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| 03:33.23 | cafuego | kaplanfx: yes. And there always will be, MS needs to make sure OO stays "just not right". |
| 03:33.36 | kaplanfx | cafuego: yeah it sucks :( |
| 03:34.09 | kaplanfx | cafuego: but you understand my point, even if I like free software, I am still stuck for a few lingering things |
| 03:34.33 | kaplanfx | damnit I'd buy damn excel for linux if they made it |
| 03:34.48 | kaplanfx | I tried crossover office but it crashed a bit too much |
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| 03:34.52 | whicuz | Hi... I have a cheapy cheapy PCMCIA RTL8139C card, and its attached to a 10 MBPS hub attached to a 10 mbps wall line. It works fine except for giving eth0 timeouts quite frequently |
| 03:35.13 | whicuz | Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix the timeouts? I don't think it's the hub or the cabling |
| 03:35.18 | cthomas | kaplanfx : you can use OSX instead... if you're going to be married to a nonfree os, might as well be a decent one ;) |
| 03:35.38 | cafuego | whicuz: Yep. "cheapy cheapy" does that |
| 03:35.56 | hoebitch | what distro could anyone recommend that is easy to setup |
| 03:36.02 | hoebitch | and comes with a new kernel |
| 03:36.03 | hoebitch | not 2.20 |
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| 03:36.06 | whicuz | cafuego: It wouldn't be a problem if I hadn't left my IBM card where there are no people |
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| 03:36.17 | cthomas | hoebitch , I think you want suse |
| 03:36.18 | whicuz | cafuego: So basically, I go to BestBuy and get a linksys? |
| 03:36.33 | cthomas | hoebitch , and you want #suse somewhere also |
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| 03:37.07 | whicuz | ok, I guess this will do for now then. Thank you guys |
| 03:37.17 | hoebitch | suse? |
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| 03:37.24 | kaplanfx | cthomas: I would if I didn't have to invest in new hardware, I've got several decent x86 boxen here |
| 03:37.29 | cthomas | hoebitch : google |
| 03:38.00 | hoebitch | i know what suse is |
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| 03:38.03 | hoebitch | so thats what ude recommend? |
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| 03:39.16 | hoebitch | how is gentoo |
| 03:39.22 | hoebitch | or fedora |
| 03:39.33 | whicuz | or... Debian? |
| 03:39.39 | helix | hoebitch: #gentoo #fedora |
| 03:40.23 | hoebitch | debian is too hard for me to get working |
| 03:40.28 | hoebitch | and only comes with kernel 2.2 |
| 03:40.39 | xtort17 | I was directed here by #gnome because "loadkeys dvorak" continuously prints "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console". (They thought it might be a distro issue, *shrug*.) |
| 03:40.40 | nvz | hoebitch: bs |
| 03:40.49 | meff | i understand how noatime works, but is it worth it and what kinda preformance increase is it? and is there any downside to enabling it, will not marking the access time affect any programs? |
| 03:40.52 | cthomas | hoebitch , you may be in the wrong place |
| 03:40.55 | toolchest | hoebitch: i suggest linspire, in your case. |
| 03:41.15 | cthomas | toolchest : hmm yeah linspire + webmin |
| 03:41.17 | xtort17 | nm, it works when I'm root... |
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| 03:41.56 | xtort17 | (Well, it didn't print errors, I'm still not using Dvorak.) |
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| 03:42.09 | ella | hi all |
| 03:42.34 | dli_ | nfs server failed: /etc/exports |
| 03:42.36 | dli_ | /usr/lib/fai/nfsroot 172.16.*.*(rw,sync,no_root_squash) |
| 03:42.40 | cthomas | hoebitch , regardless of what you choose, it's not going to download and install itself. You're going to have to do some work. Best of luck. |
| 03:43.37 | bn | hey does anyone know if md5 comes in woody? |
| 03:43.50 | bn | can't seem to find it |
| 03:44.07 | cthomas | md5sum? |
| 03:44.08 | esop | bn: md5sum |
| 03:44.31 | ugly | dli_: I think you can only use wildcards with hosts |
| 03:44.39 | bn | thanks.. |
| 03:44.42 | bn | there it is |
| 03:44.47 | ugly | dli_: use 172.16.0.0/16 instead |
| 03:45.09 | dli_ | ugly: trying |
| 03:45.11 | cthomas | bn: bash's tab command auto-completion loves you ;) |
| 03:45.56 | ugly | dli_: says to use netmask, so might be 255.255.0.0 rather than 32 |
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| 03:46.29 | dli_ | ugly: 172.16.0.0/16, thanks a lot |
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| 03:46.35 | bn | cthomas: =) |
| 03:46.35 | ugly | works? good |
| 03:46.53 | liu6 | is it possible to boot a debian cd off a debian rescue disk, my computer is old so won't boot a cdriom |
| 03:47.22 | dli_ | ugly: yeah, it works, * causes problems |
| 03:47.26 | ugly | k |
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| 03:49.07 | ugly | I just screwed up a box remotely with NFS myself :P |
| 03:49.14 | cthomas | liu6 : you can do a floppy + hard drive install |
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| 03:49.39 | cafuego | ugly: Just wait until it exits. |
| 03:49.49 | cthomas | liu6 : the installation docs on www.debian.org detail it, I'm sure |
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| 03:50.04 | liu6 | I can't do a floppy + cdrom install? |
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| 03:50.07 | ugly | cafuego: it kept giving some kind of message like "channel 5: cannot connect" or similar |
| 03:50.19 | ugly | wasn't stopping |
| 03:50.40 | try_catch_this | what would I use to detect extra buttons on my mouse and use them for other functions |
| 03:50.44 | ugly | cthomas: heh what do you use for remote mounts? |
| 03:51.05 | cthomas | ugly : I just try to avoid it, like a weenie. |
| 03:51.16 | ugly | wise |
| 03:51.24 | Naudix | Anyone know the key sequence to adjust font size in wterm on the fly ? |
| 03:51.54 | cthomas | Naudix : if you find out please tell me |
| 03:52.34 | cthomas | Naudix : but I suspect wterm may not do that |
| 03:52.54 | Naudix | cthomas: It actually just slipped my mind hence my question. I'm going to become a mute and invoke stoicism for the rest of my life -- dependency on others is immaturity. |
| 03:53.21 | Naudix | cthomas: It does do it actually. |
| 03:53.37 | cthomas | Naudix : jeez, don't be so hard on yourself. |
| 03:54.49 | Naudix | cthomas: I'm not being hard on myself--- asceticism is enjoyable to me in a masochistic kind of way. I'm actually rewarding myself. |
| 03:54.51 | cthomas | Naudix : if asking for help is immature, then the whole premise of irc help channels is antisocial |
| 03:55.18 | ella | im tring to compile kvirc3.0 and .configure cant find qt headers. i know i have them installed. can anyone tell me what option i should pass to .configure to make it compile? |
| 03:55.35 | aldug | is it possible to configure proftpd to show hidden files for just one username? |
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| 03:56.30 | cthomas | Naudix : okay, now tell me how to adjust font size on the fly in wterm ;) please |
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| 03:57.53 | helix | Naudix: are you serious? |
| 03:58.01 | cthomas | ella : look for a package called qt3-dev or something like that |
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| 03:58.45 | try_catch_this | I have the same problem |
| 03:58.52 | try_catch_this | I have qt3 dev installed |
| 03:58.59 | try_catch_this | and I get this error |
| 03:59.26 | try_catch_this | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 03:59.30 | try_catch_this | For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
| 03:59.30 | try_catch_this | Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support! |
| 03:59.30 | try_catch_this | *** failed *** |
| 03:59.35 | ella | cthomas: i got libqt3c102-mt and libqt2 |
| 03:59.45 | cthomas | how about reinvoking aclocal, then autoconf, automake |
| 03:59.46 | try_catch_this | me too |
| 04:00.14 | ella | :-( |
| 04:00.28 | Phated | Having a bad day, helix? |
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| 04:00.42 | cthomas | i admit, I use k3b. that's qt. |
| 04:00.42 | helix | no, by try_catch_this has been trying to fix this qt shit for about four hours |
| 04:00.52 | helix | s/by/but/ |
| 04:01.03 | Phated | helix: Looks like he's trying to do a make xconfig. Or something. |
| 04:01.20 | cthomas | helix : we should congratulate him on his persistance! |
| 04:01.26 | Merkidemis | Hello, would anyone have time to assist me in getting USB and PCMCIA internet (both wired and wireless) working on my laptop? |
| 04:01.27 | helix | fooey |
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| 04:01.31 | Phated | cthomas: We should lart the hell out of him. |
| 04:01.34 | cthomas | heh |
| 04:01.48 | cthomas | !contort try_catch_this |
| 04:01.52 | Phated | Oo. |
| 04:01.57 | claviola | unstable users, I have a preliminary gaim 1.0 .deb here: http://people.debian.org/~claviola/gaim_1.0.0-0.0.1cl_i386.deb |
| 04:02.06 | claviola | check it out if you feel like. |
| 04:02.09 | Phated | Unstable users. Heh. |
| 04:02.18 | helix | since claviola is such a nice guy :) |
| 04:02.25 | claviola | why, thanks |
| 04:02.27 | ella | cthomas: i got that too |
| 04:02.36 | claviola | ohhh, you're erinn |
| 04:02.37 | claviola | hahaha |
| 04:02.41 | helix | claviola: heh, yeah |
| 04:02.45 | cthomas | ella : no, don't install it. run it |
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| 04:03.05 | claviola | I do remember exchanging some mail with you |
| 04:03.05 | ella | run k3b |
| 04:03.08 | try_catch_this | origami cow? |
| 04:03.09 | rich_ | hello |
| 04:03.10 | scarynetworkguy | make xconfig is just evil |
| 04:03.16 | ella | ok |
| 04:03.28 | cthomas | ella : I thought you meant aclocal |
| 04:03.41 | cthomas | ella : heheh! you're killing me |
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| 04:04.06 | gamma | I'm trying to make an execute link for an openbox menu like |
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| 04:04.06 | gamma | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:04.18 | ella | cthomas: i am a genuine newbie |
| 04:04.21 | Merkidemis | can anyone help me get my pcmcia network card working? |
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| 04:04.31 | fliplap | so, anyone have a suggestion for the best way to get xfree86 3.3.6 back into a debian testing install? |
| 04:04.42 | fliplap | Merkidemis: what kernel, what card? |
| 04:04.48 | cthomas | ella : compiling software build character... |
| 04:04.52 | ella | cthomas: you have to spell things out for me :-) |
| 04:04.57 | kaplanfx | claviola: are you the maintainer? |
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| 04:05.20 | ella | fun :-) |
| 04:05.34 | fliplap | see, i have this really old laptop I'm doing a project on, and it has this old video card that isn't supported in Xfree86 4.x |
| 04:05.42 | fliplap | but it was supported in 3.x |
| 04:05.46 | helix | god I hate heavy metal |
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| 04:06.10 | fliplap | so i gotta figure out how to get debian to play nice with 3.3.6...or at least find a feed that has it |
| 04:06.17 | Merkidemis | fliplap: 2.2 (I installed woody, no updates yet), 3com Megahertz model 3CCFE575BT |
| 04:06.22 | mung | is there any way to find out why my system hangs when I try to compile some kernel source to bzImage? |
| 04:06.38 | fliplap | 575 is supported in the basic pcmcia package |
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| 04:06.43 | fliplap | get the 2.2 sources |
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| 04:06.48 | fliplap | and the pcmcia-cs sources |
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| 04:07.10 | fliplap | remove the debian pcmcia-cs package |
| 04:07.17 | fliplap | and compile from source |
| 04:07.20 | Led_Zeppelin | where can I get nslookup? |
| 04:07.23 | fliplap | should work like a charm |
| 04:07.33 | fliplap | Led_Zeppelin: you should already have it |
| 04:07.34 | rich_ | helix When I came here from california I was told I had to leave the la rock behind. Because people up here in oregon listen to the seattle sound :). I miss the heavy metal |
| 04:07.45 | Led_Zeppelin | fliplap, nope |
| 04:08.00 | fliplap | do you have dig? |
| 04:08.08 | fliplap | nslookup is depricated anyway |
| 04:08.28 | Merkidemis | fliplap: is there a way I can see if I have what I need already? I haven't had much luck with compiling kernels in the past. |
| 04:08.32 | mtnman | flipflap: nslookup is in dnsutils, iirc |
| 04:08.36 | fliplap | dig hostname.here will accomplish the same thing |
| 04:08.40 | Led_Zeppelin | fliplap, nope no dig |
| 04:08.46 | cthomas | host |
| 04:08.57 | claviola | kaplanfx: I most certainly am not. |
| 04:09.07 | claviola | kaplanfx: hence the 1.0.0-0.0.1cl version. |
| 04:09.09 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm, how do I do nslookup - 127.0.0.1 with host? |
| 04:09.10 | Xenguy | Led_Zeppelin: dnsutils has nslookup; but 'host' and 'dig' are more 'current' tools |
| 04:09.16 | mtnman | led_zeppelin: nslookup is in dnsutils |
| 04:09.16 | fliplap | Merkidemis: you probably don't. And if you're going to use a distrubution like debian you need ot learn to compile a kernel |
| 04:09.23 | claviola | that allows NMUs to go through, etc. |
| 04:09.34 | fliplap | Merkidemis: though for this you don't even need to compile the kernel |
| 04:09.36 | Led_Zeppelin | heh, thanks :-) |
| 04:09.36 | Led_Zeppelin | BUT how do I do nslookup - 127.0.0.1 with host? |
| 04:09.36 | Led_Zeppelin | or similar to that |
| 04:10.04 | ella | is this qt thing often needed? i am tempted to forget about the whole thing. i spent hours googling this problem. |
| 04:10.06 | fliplap | Merkidemis: just download the sources (pcmcia-cs requires them) and keep them in /usr/src/linux |
| 04:10.16 | fliplap | then compile the pcmcia-cs sources |
| 04:10.24 | fliplap | and make install. You should be good to go |
| 04:10.49 | mtnman | led_zeppelin: please clarify your question. |
| 04:10.58 | cthomas | Merkidemis : btw, you can use modconf to see all your modules |
| 04:11.02 | claviola | pcmcia-cs doesn't require the sources |
| 04:11.05 | Merkidemis | fliplap: ok, let me give this a whirl. I need to double check my kernel version to make sure I get the right ones |
| 04:11.13 | Led_Zeppelin | mtnman, with nslookup I used to do, nslookup - 127.0.0.1 to query my local server, how can I do that with host? |
| 04:11.15 | claviola | like all kernel modules, it just requires the kernel headers for the running version |
| 04:11.21 | fliplap | uname -a will tell you your kernel version |
| 04:11.54 | mtnman | led_zeppelin: you could man host, or do "host foobox" or "host <ip-address>" |
| 04:12.35 | claviola | helix: when you said I'm too nice, were you being sarcastic? |
| 04:12.54 | helix | claviola: I didn't say you were 'too' nice, I said you were 'so' nice :) |
| 04:12.54 | Led_Zeppelin | mtnman, man host is a better suggestion. |
| 04:12.58 | Merkidemis | claviola: well, getting the sources to it will be interesting, as I don't have any network access, nor does USB want to be working, and I don't think its CD drive can read RW disks |
| 04:13.10 | Xenguy | every once in a blue moon X can crash in my experience - doesn't happen often fortunately |
| 04:13.11 | mtnman | led_zeppelin: notice it was the first i gave you. |
| 04:13.28 | claviola | Merkidemis: kernel-headers-* is smaller than the full kernel sources. |
| 04:13.39 | claviola | just get a debian kernel and the corresponding kernel headers, man. |
| 04:13.42 | fliplap | you need the full sources to compile pcmcia-cs |
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| 04:13.50 | claviola | helix: either way, were you? :-P |
| 04:13.51 | fliplap | the headers alone won't cut it |
| 04:13.51 | mtnman | led_zeppelin: if you want to query your local server, you need to configure resolv.conf. |
| 04:13.57 | cthomas | no need to compile it |
| 04:14.01 | helix | claviola: nah, I wasn't being sarcastic |
| 04:14.22 | claviola | so why do you think I'm nice? :> |
| 04:14.49 | Led_Zeppelin | mtnman, hmm, with nslookup I can just query ANY server with nslookup - $DNSSERVER |
| 04:14.57 | Led_Zeppelin | mtnman, there must be a flag for this |
| 04:15.03 | helix | claviola: hm, am I wrong or something? are you actually NOT nice? |
| 04:15.13 | mtnman | led_zeppelin: i believe there is an option for that. |
| 04:15.16 | claviola | helix: I'm afraid I *am* nice. :-( |
| 04:15.28 | helix | !hug claviola |
| 04:15.34 | claviola | I want to be badass like Overfiend. |
| 04:15.38 | helix | haha. |
| 04:16.27 | helix | claviola: I've decided that everyone from spain is nice. |
| 04:16.27 | mtnman | led_zeppelin: looks like "host <foobox> <dnsserver>" |
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| 04:16.53 | Merkidemis | is there a nifty command to see what kernel version I have? I want to get the right sources. |
| 04:16.53 | claviola | helix: if that's why you think I'm nice, you might want to reconsider. I'm brazilian, and I couldn't attend dc4. :-/ |
| 04:16.58 | helix | oops |
| 04:17.09 | claviola | even though I sorta announced it was going to be here. |
| 04:17.19 | helix | claviola: hm, I guess I assumed you were because you know amaya. or I thought you did. |
| 04:17.28 | helix | claviola: but everyone from brazil is nice as well :) |
| 04:17.44 | claviola | shotgun! (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/08/msg00003.html) |
| 04:17.49 | cthomas | that's so unfair.. |
| 04:17.53 | ight8 | Question; how to change IRQ and I/O settings? |
| 04:18.00 | fliplap | modprobe |
| 04:18.09 | helix | cthomas: what is? |
| 04:18.10 | fliplap | of the module supports it |
| 04:18.13 | cthomas | ight8 : bios setup? |
| 04:18.21 | fliplap | directed at ight8 |
| 04:18.22 | ight8 | no,, |
| 04:18.23 | claviola | that's one of the reasons debian rules. random developer says "hey, debconfN is to be here. you will come. see you next year." and it all happens! |
| 04:18.28 | fliplap | ight8: modprobe |
| 04:18.36 | claviola | the random developer, in this case, is me. :P |
| 04:18.42 | cthomas | helix , that everybody from spain and brazil is nice. I'm from... *snif* the u.s... |
| 04:18.45 | ight8 | ok thank you I will read more about modprobe |
| 04:18.48 | fliplap | you can set those things with modprobe when you're loading the module |
| 04:18.56 | fliplap | if the module supports it |
| 04:19.02 | helix | claviola: haha. I remember reading this email. I wasn't even involved in debian at the time but I knew I had to go.. so I did :) |
| 04:19.03 | claviola | orkut and fotolog users aren't fond of brazilians. |
| 04:19.21 | helix | claviola: well.. heh |
| 04:19.33 | helix | cthomas: you're nice too, I bet |
| 04:19.42 | fliplap | wow, linux users have really caught on, they ask a simple question, get a simple answer, and go research themselves now |
| 04:19.44 | fliplap | thats awesome |
| 04:19.49 | cthomas | helix : =D |
| 04:19.56 | cthomas | !hug helix |
| 04:20.01 | helix | claviola: I think orkut has helped my portuguese a bit.. for example, I now know it's perfectly acceptable to never write out 'tambem', 'voce(s)' and so on |
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| 04:20.06 | fliplap | !hug me |
| 04:20.12 | fliplap | hurray |
| 04:20.23 | cthomas | !hug clavicola |
| 04:20.32 | peterS | ummmm |
| 04:20.36 | peterS | that's enough botsex for now |
| 04:20.37 | cthomas | it's a love fest! |
| 04:20.53 | toresbe | I have an MP3 player! ^_^ |
| 04:20.57 | ugly | you LIE |
| 04:21.09 | ight8 | last Question and I'm going to google all night reading howto's,,, my dvd rom is registered as a cd-rom how to change that? |
| 04:21.30 | toresbe | Dragging around the laptop was getting tiring |
| 04:23.15 | ight8 | would the file /dev/dsp be where I need to change that |
| 04:23.27 | ugly | ight8: dsp is your soundcard |
| 04:23.34 | ight8 | ok |
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| 04:23.39 | ugly | in a manner of speaking, that is |
| 04:24.12 | fooz | ugly |
| 04:24.15 | ugly | zoof |
| 04:24.28 | ugly | still suicidal? :P |
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| 04:24.43 | fooz | heh |
| 04:24.51 | Basic | any tools under linux to let me read microsoft help files .chm? |
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| 04:24.57 | punkass | anyone out get ndiswrapper working on debian? |
| 04:25.02 | toresbe | punkass: Me. |
| 04:25.12 | punkass | oh yeah...i am having a hell of time |
| 04:25.27 | ella | !kick me |
| 04:25.30 | FieldySnuts | ~roger punkass |
| 04:25.32 | apt | Bend over, punkass and take it like a man! |
| 04:25.32 | mung | is it possible to download a precompiled kernel? |
| 04:25.37 | punkass | doh! |
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| 04:25.43 | ugly | mung: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 04:25.49 | mung | ty |
| 04:25.50 | cthomas | great heavens! |
| 04:25.51 | fooz | ugly, i have recovered my server drive, need to RMA the dead one and send it back to san diego |
| 04:25.55 | toresbe | punkass: Well, say more...? |
| 04:26.00 | punkass | i got the souce, make, make install, then |
| 04:26.13 | ugly | fooz: good, good - I'll be back to distro'ing child porn from your comp in no time |
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| 04:26.16 | try_catch_this | what would I use to detect extra buttons on my mouse and use them for other functions |
| 04:26.20 | punkass | ran ndiswrapper -i theinffile |
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| 04:26.25 | mung | I'd prefer to compile from source, but it keeps crashing, punkass |
| 04:26.48 | fooz | ugly, hrm *sees if anything other than the eggdrop is in /home/ugly* |
| 04:26.54 | punkass | then ran ndiswrapper -m to do the alias thing |
| 04:27.12 | punkass | then a modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 04:27.16 | ugly | fooz: just don't 'cd ...' |
| 04:27.32 | punkass | did a full reboot..but it still says no wireless devices found |
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| 04:27.51 | toresbe | punkass: You need to modprobe it... |
| 04:28.03 | toresbe | punkass: AFK for a while, making teh food. |
| 04:28.09 | punkass | i did |
| 04:28.18 | toresbe | punkass: After rebooting? |
| 04:28.23 | punkass | yup |
| 04:28.29 | toresbe | hmm, dmesg? |
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| 04:28.34 | toresbe | afk, though |
| 04:28.41 | punkass | ok..ill be here.. |
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| 04:30.18 | fooz | ugly, there is no ... |
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| 04:30.41 | ugly | fooz: joke :P |
| 04:30.58 | borhbug | Copying 120 gig of mp3 from one drive to another (same machine) takes forever using 'cp', about 10 hours. I know my machine is not that slow, cause copying from another machine using nfs is much faster |
| 04:31.03 | fooz | ugly, there is a .nude_pics_of_mom though |
| 04:31.07 | borhbug | How can I speed up that process? |
| 04:31.16 | jetscreamer | home rolled kernel is more stable, so far, but 2.4.27 did kern_panic |
| 04:31.31 | TheStar | borhbug: How much faster? |
| 04:31.38 | jetscreamer | figured out i didn't replace my thermal paste last time i took the hs off |
| 04:31.42 | borhbug | about 2 hours |
| 04:31.49 | claviola | helix: haha. |
| 04:31.50 | fooz | ugly, what does your eggdrop do, anyway? |
| 04:31.56 | TheStar | borhbug: Let me guess, your HDD's are on the same channel? |
| 04:32.06 | borhbug | TheStar: No |
| 04:32.08 | claviola | helix: do you get odd errors on orkut regarding donuts? |
| 04:32.11 | ugly | fooz: sites on a single, keyed EFNet chan so we don't lose OPs |
| 04:32.14 | ugly | fooz: er, sits |
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| 04:32.20 | fooz | ok |
| 04:32.24 | borhbug | TheStar: And that's what puzzles me |
| 04:32.25 | fooz | but now you can lose ops. haha |
| 04:32.30 | ugly | heh yes |
| 04:32.39 | fooz | sorry. didn't know the drive would suicide |
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| 04:32.43 | TheStar | borhbug: What about the reverse? Reads could be slow... |
| 04:33.05 | fooz | stupidly didn't have the RAID set up yet |
| 04:33.14 | fooz | was working on setting it up but got distracted |
| 04:33.16 | borhbug | TheStar: I don't think so. I have brand new drives, and the machine is relatively new |
| 04:33.24 | TheStar | borhbug: What filesystem? |
| 04:33.31 | borhbug | TheStar: ext3 |
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| 04:33.49 | TheStar | borhbug: What if you turned off the journal? How fast is it then? |
| 04:33.50 | borhbug | TheStar: Could it be that cp is not welll suited for lots of small files? |
| 04:34.00 | TheStar | borhbug: Possibly. |
| 04:34.08 | maher | borhbug: check the hd speed with hdparm |
| 04:34.16 | borhbug | TheStar: Or that the sub-directory traversal is slow, or something |
| 04:34.17 | jetscreamer | mp3's ar esmall? |
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| 04:34.23 | fooz | ugly, and I dropped selinux for now |
| 04:34.27 | TheStar | maher: The hdd speed is the same wether cp'ing or nfs'ing. |
| 04:34.35 | ugly | fooz: heh too 1337 for you? :) |
| 04:34.43 | borhbug | maher: I'll check |
| 04:34.50 | fooz | ugly, i'm too exhausted to keep up with policy stuff |
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| 04:34.57 | maher | TheStar: yes - but it will show if only one of the drives is slow |
| 04:35.05 | ugly | fooz: BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH H4X0RZ!?!?!11 |
| 04:35.08 | fooz | ugly, they're making drastic changes, but it's all redhat centric, and my patches are not beautiful enough I guess |
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| 04:35.21 | TheStar | maher: Good point, but shouldn't both drives have the same speed, if they're new et al? |
| 04:35.22 | fooz | ugly, dunno.. virtual servers? :) |
| 04:35.34 | maher | TheStar: yes - but something is slow... |
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| 04:35.43 | Merkidemis | hmmm, it seems to find eth0 fine, but it doesn't show up in my ifconfig |
| 04:35.51 | TheStar | maher: True. |
| 04:36.16 | fooz | ugly, I put the linux vservers patch in for kicks |
| 04:36.28 | TheStar | borhbug: I wonder how much a 'find + cp" combination is? |
| 04:36.30 | fooz | ugly, I was playing with UMLs and Xen before it blew up |
| 04:37.06 | mick_laptop | fooz: Xen? is there a url to that? |
| 04:37.14 | fooz | google for xen |
| 04:37.14 | borhbug | TheStar: Perhaps it would be better to use some sort of tar'ing and then transfer the tar file in a single chunk |
| 04:37.22 | ugly | fooz: don't know what any of those are ;) |
| 04:37.31 | TheStar | borhbug: Don't like that idea. |
| 04:37.43 | fooz | ugly, UML is user mode linux. Xen is the Xen virtual machine monitor. linux vservers is like FreeBSD JAIL for Linux |
| 04:37.57 | TheStar | borhbug: But if you do, be careful about permissions, symbolic links, and the like.\ |
| 04:38.06 | ugly | fooz: ah, neat |
| 04:38.14 | borhbug | TheStar: Yes |
| 04:38.37 | ugly | fooz: been playing around with NFS over SSH - any superior alternatives you know of? :) |
| 04:38.38 | fooz | ugly, xen is way cool.. imagine if vmware was the OS itself.. it's like that, but faster |
| 04:38.44 | mick_laptop | fooz: ah i thought you were talking about programming (as in Use Case Diagrams etc.) |
| 04:38.55 | fooz | mick_laptop, no |
| 04:38.56 | mick_laptop | ugly: sftp |
| 04:39.16 | ugly | mick_laptop: you can mount sftp? |
| 04:39.20 | mick_laptop | fooz: ya, i know now ;) |
| 04:39.21 | daaku | ugly: lufs |
| 04:39.39 | daaku | ugly: can mount ssh/ftp and some others |
| 04:39.44 | mick_laptop | ugly: ah, no thats not possible |
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| 04:39.53 | ugly | daaku: hmm interesting |
| 04:40.07 | mick_laptop | if you want that then ssh / NFS is probably better than ssh / SAMBA |
| 04:40.10 | borhbug | TheStar: What really annoys me is that I tried the same thing on a XP machine, and it went a lot faster. No way I can tolerate that XP does anything better than debian |
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| 04:40.27 | maher | borhbug: have you checked the hd speed with hdparm yet |
| 04:40.31 | KrOnOs | how do i make SSHD start on boot ? |
| 04:40.45 | borhbug | maher: nope, I'll do it |
| 04:40.45 | ugly | KrOnOs: apt-get install ssh |
| 04:40.59 | fooz | ugly, with any of the above, I could give you your own virtual machine. you could have root on it |
| 04:41.06 | KrOnOs | i already have it |
| 04:41.07 | daaku | KrOnOs: update-rc.d ssh defaults ? |
| 04:41.11 | jetscreamer | remove /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run if it exists |
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| 04:41.15 | ugly | fooz: rather resource intensive, I would imagine |
| 04:41.18 | fooz | ugly, each has problems though |
| 04:41.19 | jetscreamer | or some such path |
| 04:41.27 | maher | KrOnOs: install ssh - remove the dontrunssh file from /etc/ssh |
| 04:42.01 | fooz | ugly, not especially.. linux vservers runs the usual daemons per each jail but otherwise is OK. Xen sets apart so much physical memory per each one. UML is the same but the memory can be swapped out |
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| 04:42.42 | jetscreamer | be careful with hdparm if you don't know what you're doing (like me) |
| 04:42.46 | KrOnOs | maher : root@pka:/etc/ssh# rm sshd_not_to_be_run |
| 04:43.13 | maher | KrOnOs: ok - now do /etc/init.d/ssh start and in future it will run on boot |
| 04:43.26 | jetscreamer | theo's rectum, lee |
| 04:43.28 | fooz | ugly, so Xen is the worst.. my server only has 256MB of RAM. it's fun to play with when you have a gig though |
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| 04:43.54 | ugly | fooz: heh ghetto - 256mbs |
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| 04:44.06 | fooz | ugly, heh memory is expensive. i don't make much money :( |
| 04:44.08 | TheStar | borhbug: There are a few things winXP does better than linux. |
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| 04:44.18 | fooz | TheStar, taking a long time to install is one |
| 04:44.20 | TheStar | borhbug: But your low speed is really strange. |
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| 04:44.26 | TheStar | fooz: Yes. |
| 04:44.43 | fooz | ugly, Xen is the neatest though.. you ever try vmware? |
| 04:44.54 | ugly | fooz: yea, years and years ago |
| 04:45.02 | fooz | ugly, xen is different in that it requires modifications to the guest OSes it runs.. but unlike vmware, they run at full speed. you can't feel a difference from native |
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| 04:45.10 | ugly | fooz: didn't work too well, but prob has come a long way |
| 04:45.35 | rich_ | Yea, on the other hand a quarter gig does a workstation fine. Personally, I have half a gig |
| 04:45.41 | bob2 | except they're running under a NANOKERNEL |
| 04:45.44 | borhbug | TheStar: I know, XP does something right, but I don't like it when basic things are worse |
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| 04:46.07 | borhbug | maher: Never used hdparm before. What switches would give me the info I need? |
| 04:46.12 | fooz | isn't xen monolithic? |
| 04:46.15 | maher | borhbug: man hdparm |
| 04:46.19 | ugly | fooz: "A port of Win XP was developed with assistance from Microsoft Research, but is not available for general release." <--- LAME |
| 04:46.30 | daaku | i just realized that even though the alt-tab bug has been fixed, my desktop switching in openbox still requires a keypress after the switch is done.. anyone else have that problem? |
| 04:46.31 | fooz | ugly, yeah but it runs Linux 2.6 and NetBSD 2.0 fine :) |
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| 04:46.38 | ugly | useless! |
| 04:46.44 | fooz | ugly, bleh |
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| 04:47.02 | fooz | I should set up xen to work on my server drive before shipping it off |
| 04:47.05 | fooz | then I can play with it remotely |
| 04:47.10 | bob2 | fooz: it runs all the guests under a nanokernel |
| 04:47.16 | bob2 | which handles switching between them |
| 04:47.51 | ugly | sleep time - night fooz |
| 04:47.52 | daveo | anyone else have trouble installing kmail |
| 04:47.54 | fooz | night |
| 04:48.01 | daveo | says it's broken!!! |
| 04:48.04 | fooz | i can't figure out what a nanokernel is because dict.org is not working |
| 04:48.10 | borhbug | maher: It is copying right now, so any benchmarking should probably wait |
| 04:48.35 | jetscreamer | kontact-plugins install script is borked |
| 04:48.51 | bob2 | daveo: could you be more vague please? |
| 04:48.53 | jetscreamer | maybe it depends on it since kde depends on kde* |
| 04:49.18 | jetscreamer | think very very small kernel |
| 04:50.07 | daveo | I tried apt-get install kmail and it came up with unmet dependencies for eight packages |
| 04:50.14 | maher | like a microkernel but _smaller_ |
| 04:50.33 | bob2 | daveo: paste the full error to #flood |
| 04:50.54 | fooz | mach is a microkernel and pretty much anything is smaller than mach |
| 04:51.13 | jetscreamer | daveo i 'probably' answered your question |
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| 04:51.38 | jetscreamer | since it's the only thing that borks afaik on install in kde |
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| 04:51.45 | rich_ | Sound to me like if you put all your drivers in your apps, every last one of them, and tell them to keep a list somewhere so that no other app can use the same hardware they are, that would be cutting the "kernel down as far as it could be cut down. How much more complex than that is a nonokernel? |
| 04:51.51 | suzzi | hello all how is everyone tonight? |
| 04:51.56 | toresbe | I wants me some - - hmm, stuff. |
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| 04:52.24 | suzzi | toresbe: what kind of stuff... will random bits do? |
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| 04:52.38 | suzzi | toresbe: qwerkljjh5h3h423hj23hksldkjh s cd csdkjdafhkjashdlkadfadfff moo! |
| 04:52.40 | punkass | toresbe...u back :) |
| 04:52.47 | suzzi | punkass: check |
| 04:52.49 | toresbe | punkass: Oh, right, sorry |
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| 04:53.00 | fooz | rich_, that sounds like an exokernel |
| 04:53.39 | punkass | toresbe: this is at the end of dmesg after i modprobe |
| 04:53.40 | punkass | ndiswrapper (ndis_init_one_pci:1458) : Windows driver couldnt initalize the device |
| 04:53.48 | punkass | and a couple more errors after that |
| 04:53.59 | toresbe | punkass: Join me in #flood |
| 04:54.09 | punkass | k |
| 04:54.11 | daveo | bob2: pasted in #flood |
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| 04:54.33 | bob2 | daveo: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 04:54.57 | daveo | bob2: yeah just a minute |
| 04:55.01 | suzzi | heres a question for the group. i would like to make a dir that when ever any thing is copyed there then it is scp'ed to another server? is that easy to setup? |
| 04:55.10 | bob2 | suzzi: no, impossible |
| 04:55.22 | bob2 | or, use fuse to make a ssh filesystem |
| 04:55.49 | maher | suzzi: you could set up rsync / dirvish in a cron job |
| 04:56.03 | suzzi | bob2: awwww =( |
| 04:56.10 | bob2 | suzzi: whats your actual aim? |
| 04:56.22 | dli_ | i am getting map_user_kiobuf: double user message from my kernel |
| 04:56.34 | suzzi | maher: humm... i was hopeing to some how avoid writing a wrapper scp but thats my last ditch... |
| 04:56.36 | bob2 | dli_: what does google say? |
| 04:56.40 | bob2 | suzzi: fuse |
| 04:56.41 | TheStar | suzzi: There are user-level file systems, check out lufs, but I don't give you much of a chance. |
| 04:56.43 | Xenguy | suzzi: that is do-able certainly: maybe an rsync/ssh cron job or some such setup? |
| 04:56.47 | bob2 | or use NFS like $deity intended |
| 04:57.05 | kenboo | suzzi, we've made that kind of script |
| 04:57.12 | daveo | bob2:okay done |
| 04:57.16 | maher | suzzi: dirvish comes with most things done |
| 04:57.29 | maher | suzzi: but i don't know how to do exactly what you want |
| 04:57.35 | Xenguy | suzzi: actually there is a nice mirroring software 'unison' that could come in handy too |
| 04:57.40 | TheStar | Xenguy: I wonder what using a file-change monitor would be like? |
| 04:57.54 | toresbe | punkass: Odd. All the clues I have for you is to A) Verify you have the correct driver, B) Google, and C) go to #ndiswrapper, in that order |
| 04:58.02 | suzzi | Xenguy: humm lots of options to choose from thanks |
| 04:58.04 | Xenguy | TheStar: not sure what you mean |
| 04:58.07 | maher | suzzi: maybe you want a distributed fs - let me know if you find one that works... |
| 04:58.20 | dli_ | bob2: google found some resolved bug in older kernels :( but not the one I'm using, 2.4.24 |
| 04:58.21 | toresbe | punkass: Sorry to keep you waiting for nothing |
| 04:58.33 | bob2 | daveo: er, why do you have so many different distros in there? |
| 04:58.51 | bob2 | dli_: are you using a Debian kernel? |
| 04:59.12 | suzzi | maher: ohh thanks i'll look in to that too. |
| 04:59.28 | daveo | bob2: it's the sample file included in Knoppix install |
| 04:59.53 | bob2 | daveo: haha |
| 04:59.56 | daveo | bob2: I'm pretty much a linux newbie here |
| 05:00.00 | bob2 | daveo: yeah |
| 05:00.06 | bob2 | ouch |
| 05:00.20 | punkass | toresbe: well ndiswrapper -l gives me: Installed ndis driver: bcmwl5a hardware present |
| 05:00.25 | Xenguy | maher: hmm, dirvish does look interesting |
| 05:00.37 | bob2 | daveo: well, it's a knoppix problem, not a Debian one, sadly |
| 05:00.41 | toresbe | punkass: OK, then B and C stick out :) |
| 05:00.45 | maher | Xenguy: seems to work - only been using it for a few weeks |
| 05:00.58 | dli_ | bob2 : no openmosix |
| 05:00.58 | punkass | and ive been all over google..and i have been in #ndiswrapper for about an hour now :) |
| 05:00.58 | TheStar | Xenguy: Run a daemon, and whenever a file is added or changed, it's updated. Forget what the daemon is called. |
| 05:01.06 | punkass | thanks for your help tho |
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| 05:01.20 | TheStar | Xenguy: Actually, the daemon I'm thinking of only tells you about file modifications, but... |
| 05:01.22 | bob2 | daveo: do you have a /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 05:01.43 | daveo | bob2: no |
| 05:02.21 | Xenguy | TheStar: ahhh... well both unison and dirvish (neither of which I've actually used yet ;-) look interesting, but there are of course 'more than one way to do it' as always :-) |
| 05:02.34 | bob2 | punkass: are you using Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 05:02.38 | jetscreamer | try ls /var/cache/apt/archives/kontact-plug* |
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| 05:02.48 | bob2 | daveo: well, try #knoppix, they might be able to help |
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| 05:03.13 | TheStar | Xenguy: unison, afaik, would be better, less likely to overwrite files (race conditions), but I dislike having to manually hand-hold it. |
| 05:03.19 | help | is there a way to skip a daemon during boot? specifically the apache daemon which is hanging |
| 05:03.25 | bob2 | help: ctrl-c |
| 05:03.40 | daveo | bob2: pure newbie question here then. Isn't knoppix a debian based distro? |
| 05:03.43 | help | bob2, tried that still hangs |
| 05:03.51 | suzzi | help: I just make a 'disabled' folder in /etc/rc* and mv the call there |
| 05:04.00 | jetscreamer | what's that factoid again? |
| 05:04.04 | bob2 | help: "Linux 1" at the lilo: prompt |
| 05:04.16 | Xenguy | daveo: yes, but type -> /topic :-) |
| 05:04.31 | bob2 | daveo: debian-based, yes |
| 05:04.35 | help | bob2: okay, how do i get to a prompt though |
| 05:04.37 | bob2 | daveo: but not the same as Debian |
| 05:04.39 | TheStar | Xenguy: I wonder what AFS would be like, though. |
| 05:04.43 | bob2 | help: er, do what I just said? |
| 05:04.54 | daveo | bob2: so what are the differences? |
| 05:05.21 | bob2 | daveo: well, for one, knoppix appears to be broken |
| 05:05.23 | claviola | helix: if I add you on orkut, does it count as friend-whoring? |
| 05:05.33 | helix | claviola: probably not :) |
| 05:05.35 | Xenguy | TheStar: no clue, but looks complicated ;-) |
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| 05:05.37 | jetscreamer | daveo how about the knoppix specific held packages |
| 05:05.44 | daveo | bob2: heheh |
| 05:05.45 | jetscreamer | knoppix init scripts |
| 05:05.49 | juhair | hi there |
| 05:05.59 | claviola | helix: heh, okay then. I saw your warning after I added you |
| 05:06.01 | jetscreamer | knoppix sysvinit |
| 05:06.04 | daveo | jetscreamer: what are they |
| 05:06.04 | jetscreamer | many things |
| 05:06.05 | rich_ | daveo: It uses debian packages, but not the debian quality control system. And because each dist is different, no one can take the time to specialise in some oddball dist that has no regard for quality control. |
| 05:06.07 | help | bob2: when i power on the computer it uncompresses linux and goes through the boot process, a prompt doesn't appear until after it boot, problem is it hangs when trying to start the apache daemon... |
| 05:06.13 | helix | claviola: that's for people I don't know at *all* that just randomly add people |
| 05:06.21 | bob2 | help: yes, and if you did what I said, it wouldn't try to start apache |
| 05:06.29 | help | so ... no prompt...or am i missing something? |
| 05:06.29 | jetscreamer | !tell daveo about d-i |
| 05:06.32 | juhair | i'm looking for Intel 82562ET NIC driver |
| 05:06.32 | peterS | claviola: the usual operating principle is: did you add her because you know her well enough to call her a friend, or for some other reason? |
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| 05:06.58 | jetscreamer | !debtakeover |
| 05:06.58 | daveo | rich_: so the apt-get command is different?? |
| 05:06.58 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 05:07.03 | TheStar | Xenguy: Yes, but it's the best solution I can find :( |
| 05:07.12 | juhair | i'm looking for Intel 82562ET NIC driver |
| 05:07.13 | bob2 | help: the *lilo* prompt |
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| 05:07.23 | TheStar | Xenguy: Currently, I'm just using rsync, and confining each location to it's own directory. |
| 05:07.35 | TheStar | Xenguy: Other locations have read but not write access. |
| 05:07.48 | help | bob2 /{ what exactly is the *lilo* prompt? |
| 05:07.49 | claviola | peterS: that's a good one. well, it depends. I can't hang out with her because I do not live in Jacksonville, but I suppose that could happen if I did, so sure, why not. |
| 05:08.03 | rich_ | daveo possibly. And what it gets, but the important thing is which packages it gets. Quality control means packages dont get into the stable distribution until they are stable |
| 05:08.06 | punkass | Ubuntu |
| 05:08.08 | bob2 | help: the prompt that says "lilo:" |
| 05:08.13 | Xenguy | TheStar: more power to ya then - I just tend to avoid anything non-KISS -- a personal preference that's all ;-) |
| 05:08.22 | bob2 | punkass: you might want to mention that in future |
| 05:08.35 | punkass | sorry..just thought they were one in the same |
| 05:08.50 | bob2 | punkass: mostly, but they are different in a number of ways and will diverge further |
| 05:08.56 | bob2 | well, may diverge |
| 05:09.02 | daveo | rich_: so could I change the sources.list and get stable packages?? |
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| 05:09.06 | bob2 | help: tap shift over and over during boot until you see it |
| 05:09.09 | iblis- | ppl, is there any unix->ldap account sync script ? i like to export *only* unix account to ldap so the user can query email address from their mua |
| 05:09.22 | help | ah! that's what i didn't know |
| 05:09.26 | jetscreamer | daveo no |
| 05:09.27 | punkass | ah...well i still have to wireless and its makin be crazy |
| 05:09.31 | TheStar | Xenguy: What's not simple about my method? |
| 05:09.33 | jetscreamer | doesn't work(TM) |
| 05:09.44 | rich_ | daveo Problem is not all packages can be downgraded. Once installed you can never get back to the same dependancy state. |
| 05:09.46 | jetscreamer | daveo, debtakeover |
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| 05:09.57 | TheStar | Xenguy: "each branch can only write to it's own directory, but can read file from the whole company"? |
| 05:10.03 | help | bob2: ok tap shift, get to the lilo prompt, and then enter Linux 1, that will skip all the daemons? or just apache? |
| 05:10.14 | bob2 | help: all |
| 05:10.16 | jetscreamer | also knoppix is different enough that it just won't work w/o a LOT of trouble |
| 05:10.38 | jetscreamer | !tell daveo about debtakeover |
| 05:10.46 | bob2 | er, how will that help? |
| 05:10.46 | help | bob2: thks! |
| 05:11.14 | peterS | claviola: a surprising number of people try to add "friends" like helix because they have a pretty face, even if the two people have only talked a couple of times on irc or whatever, so obviously they don't really know each other |
| 05:11.40 | daveo | rich_: so the only way to "fix it" is a clean debian install? |
| 05:11.48 | maher | peterS: no one adds me - does this mean i don't have a pretty face? |
| 05:11.59 | jetscreamer | no it means you're fugly |
| 05:12.00 | peterS | maher: possibly. I would add you if I were on orkut, I think |
| 05:12.08 | bob2 | daveo: #knoppix might know how... |
| 05:12.10 | helix | maher: you're on orkut? |
| 05:12.24 | maher | helix: sorry - i'm behind the times... |
| 05:12.35 | peterS | jetscreamer: indeed he is |
| 05:12.43 | maher | helix: i'm glad you're still here and not blown out to sea... |
| 05:12.47 | daveo | bob2: thanks I will check there later |
| 05:12.57 | helix | maher: maybe tropical storm jeanne will change that :) |
| 05:13.06 | FieldySnuts | or Karl.. |
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| 05:13.41 | jetscreamer | or was that ranting |
| 05:13.46 | daveo | thanks everyone for the help |
| 05:13.46 | rich_ | daveo Yes, but theres many easy ways to do that. Ive very seldom used any method besides boot floppies, but now days theres something called debbootstrap, or try that debtakeover thing jetscreamer is |
| 05:13.58 | tvn | the new mozilla firefox doesn't do emacs keybinding anymore ? it is now Windows like |
| 05:14.03 | maher | helix: will they run out of letters this year? |
| 05:14.03 | rich_ | suggesting :) |
| 05:14.08 | iblis- | help : how to list contents of the package (like dpkg -L pkg) but without install the pkg |
| 05:14.12 | helix | maher: heh, maybe |
| 05:14.16 | peterS | maher: surely the season is nearly over now |
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| 05:14.33 | daveo | rich_: so install debbootstrap and go from there??? |
| 05:14.33 | maher | helix: its not my imagination - there have been more and bigger than usual? |
| 05:14.35 | jetscreamer | apt-file maybe |
| 05:14.39 | FieldySnuts | maher: much more |
| 05:14.44 | z36ra | k3b reports that it cant find dvd+rw-format but it is in /usr/bin. anyone know what i can do? |
| 05:14.57 | FieldySnuts | NOAA believes this trend will continue for the next 30 years, I do hope they're wrong |
| 05:14.57 | maher | z36ra: known bug - fixed in unstable |
| 05:14.58 | helix | maher: not sure, actually. it seems like there have been more, but it could just be that they've all headed towards florida.. |
| 05:15.30 | maher | z36ra: temporary work around - save the .iso use growisofs directly |
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| 05:16.31 | maher | helix: i'm not sure i approve - you should order some better weather... |
| 05:16.46 | z36ra | maher: ok so save the project to an iso file on disk and then burn the image from k3b with growisofs? |
| 05:16.49 | helix | maher: I was thinking maybe I just need a t-shirt that says HURRICANES ARE TERRORISM |
| 05:17.00 | maher | z36ra: use growisofs from the command line |
| 05:17.15 | maq | Hey guys, I have a simple question for any of you networking saavy people. I have several computers and one hub, I ran out of regular networking cables. I have one crossover cable, can I connect a computer with that crossover to the hub and network it? (maybe in the uplink?) |
| 05:17.17 | z36ra | maher: ok thanx |
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| 05:17.31 | maher | helix: war on hurricanes! |
| 05:17.40 | bob2 | maq: depends on the computer |
| 05:17.43 | daveo | jetscreamer: what's that debtakeover thing again? |
| 05:17.43 | FieldySnuts | helix: like this? http://www.bbspot.com/News/2004/08/hurricane_charley.html |
| 05:17.54 | peterS | maher: I'm sure your opinion on the suitability of carribean weather will be duly noted |
| 05:17.54 | bob2 | maq: modern laptops can revers the crossover to make it work like a straight-through cable |
| 05:18.03 | FieldySnuts | maher: heh look at that url I gave helix |
| 05:18.12 | maher | peterS: phear my weather skillz |
| 05:18.15 | helix | FieldySnuts: haha, I hadn't seen this. thanks. |
| 05:18.21 | trailertrash | maq, depends on the hub really |
| 05:18.21 | maq | It's a regular Intel PC 848(mobo chipset) computer |
| 05:18.21 | peterS | oh dear |
| 05:18.24 | peterS | bbspot is still alive? |
| 05:18.26 | FieldySnuts | helix: hehe |
| 05:18.28 | TheStar | Anyone here have experience with CODA? |
| 05:18.48 | Scheme | BAHAHAHHA |
| 05:19.10 | FieldySnuts | While agreeing that Charley was "a menace to freedom and everything else Americans hold dear," Kerry said Bush should have "worked with our European allies to build an international consensus for dealing with Charley." |
| 05:19.12 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 05:19.19 | peterS | !tell FieldySnuts about paste |
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| 05:19.58 | FieldySnuts | peterS: again, use /ignore on me, it's fully in your control. not doing so shows you just want to cause trouble, thank you drive through |
| 05:19.58 | edrx | what's the right way to reconfigure the mta? I did "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-daemon-light" and just got "Stopping MTA: exim4."/"Starting MTA: exim4."... by the way: "grep-status -s Package -n -F Provides mail-transport-agent" returns "exim4-daemon-light"... |
| 05:20.23 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 05:20.24 | peterS | FieldySnuts: you are not above the rules. channel rules say don't paste large amounts of stuff here |
| 05:20.36 | peterrooney | Which package would provide me with the font 'nimbus' ? Debian's package search page (and dpkg -S) yeilded nothing. |
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| 05:20.55 | peterS | FieldySnuts: the response to "you should respect channel policies" is not "you should just ignore me because I don't have to do so" |
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| 05:21.23 | difeta | how can i apt-get the development packages for all the packages i currently have installed on my system? |
| 05:21.30 | helix | peterrooney: you should become peterR |
| 05:21.36 | rich_ | Seems to me the rules more or less enforce themselves. |
| 05:21.39 | helix | then we just need a few more letters |
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| 05:21.46 | peterS | peterrooney: I think nimbus is in gs-fonts |
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| 05:21.51 | FieldySnuts | what happens when you get past Z? |
| 05:21.54 | FieldySnuts | AA? A1? |
| 05:21.55 | peterS | rich_: mainly they do |
| 05:22.05 | peterS | rich_: I was giving a friendly warning, not trying to take action |
| 05:22.06 | bob2 | difeta: you can't, easily. why would you want that? |
| 05:22.09 | helix | FieldySnuts: then we will be done and no more peter's will be allowed. |
| 05:22.14 | FieldySnuts | heh :( |
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| 05:22.18 | rich_ | peterS try not to let it worry you |
| 05:22.28 | difeta | bob2, i'm going to install garnome, and i need lots of dev packages installed |
| 05:22.34 | aida-night | what does it mean that sarge base+standard is frozen??? |
| 05:22.36 | Scheme | peterS: "large amounts of stuff" |
| 05:22.40 | Scheme | it was 2 lines. |
| 05:22.41 | aida-night | does it mean it's release candidate? |
| 05:22.47 | peterS | Scheme: indeed it was |
| 05:23.02 | FieldySnuts | is he still ranting? i already ignored him, which is the best thing to do for the channel's sake if you have a problem |
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| 05:23.11 | FieldySnuts | he can just as easily do it, life goes on man |
| 05:23.13 | peterS | Scheme: I actually don't mind 2 lines when it's on-topic. (this wasn't.) some other people do, though, so even that is skating on thin ice. |
| 05:23.14 | freemo | yay i just finished a site that uses all opensource and whose content is p2p (wiki and forum) and also open sourceed |
| 05:23.17 | Scheme | 2 lines aint sit. |
| 05:23.28 | bob2 | difeta: then install what you need |
| 05:23.46 | rich_ | FieldySnuts Who you ignore is kind of off topic. |
| 05:23.47 | FieldySnuts | seriously find more worthwhile things to worry about, you'll get ulcers. |
| 05:23.59 | Scheme | indeed. |
| 05:24.06 | rich_ | Not that I mind, |
| 05:24.16 | peterS | helix: just ignore us. op action is for hotheads |
| 05:24.16 | FieldySnuts | stress wrecked my life, i was forced to find out what mattered and what truly did not |
| 05:24.24 | FieldySnuts | easier to try and do it the other way around.. |
| 05:24.32 | Phated | What on earth is happening here? |
| 05:24.35 | helix | ok, shaddup about it |
| 05:24.38 | helix | or I'm handing out +q's |
| 05:24.40 | FieldySnuts | Phated: must be nearing sunday |
| 05:24.42 | FieldySnuts | mkay |
| 05:24.52 | Phated | FieldySnuts: It hasn't ENDED since two weeks ago, it seems. |
| 05:24.57 | FieldySnuts | Phated: damn |
| 05:24.59 | karsten | Is Debian really free? |
| 05:25.01 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: damn straight |
| 05:25.02 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yeah. :) |
| 05:25.06 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hehe what's up |
| 05:25.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 05:25.16 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Not much, reading. |
| 05:25.16 | freemo | karsten, nope, just doesnt cost any money :) |
| 05:25.17 | peterrooney | difeta: i can thing of an awk thing that would get you most of the way towards that. might be kind of long. |
| 05:25.27 | karsten | freemo: Cool nick ;-) |
| 05:25.27 | scarynetworkguy | !permasunday |
| 05:25.27 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 05:25.32 | FieldySnuts | heh perma |
| 05:25.45 | helix | freemo: please cover it up :| |
| 05:25.55 | FieldySnuts | nick, not .. n/m |
| 05:26.01 | freemo | :) |
| 05:26.05 | Phated | Heh. |
| 05:26.07 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 05:26.08 | freemo | heheh |
| 05:26.17 | FieldySnuts | ~fondle me |
| 05:26.18 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 05:26.20 | FieldySnuts | darn |
| 05:26.21 | peterrooney | difeta: s/thing/think/ |
| 05:26.33 | FieldySnuts | that works too wahoo |
| 05:26.40 | difeta | peterrooney, i dont understand |
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| 05:26.49 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You horny creature you. |
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| 05:26.54 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 05:27.02 | SNIa | greetings |
| 05:27.05 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 05:27.11 | Phated | Live long and prosper. |
| 05:27.24 | SNIa | what's up? |
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| 05:27.38 | LordKahless | hey anyone think they could hlep me with alsa? i compiled my own kernel with alsa modular, but xmms will only work if i use the oss plugin, and the gnome volume control and rhythmbox wont play at all |
| 05:27.43 | FieldySnuts | watching the early sunday syndrome |
| 05:27.52 | Phated | Extreme slinky. |
| 05:28.02 | FieldySnuts | badgers? |
| 05:28.08 | scarynetworkguy | SLINK EXTREME |
| 05:28.10 | FieldySnuts | rich_: run |
| 05:28.35 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: did you slay all the OSS modules |
| 05:28.42 | FieldySnuts | smite hehh |
| 05:28.48 | SNIa | which kernel? |
| 05:28.49 | Phated | rich_: Turn off that annoying thing. |
| 05:28.51 | SNIa | 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 05:28.52 | peterrooney | difeta: for i in `COLUMNS=132 dpkg -l | awk `$1 ~ /ii/ {print $2}' ; do apt-get install $i-dev ; done |
| 05:28.57 | trailertrash | LordKahless, you still haveto configure it a lil bit - google to learn howto go to version 10 |
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| 05:29.11 | maher | ok - who's pregnant? |
| 05:29.11 | LordKahless | yeah, i didnt even include oss |
| 05:29.16 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 05:29.19 | rich_ | Weird Al Yankovic - Smells Like Nirvana Im playing things at random |
| 05:29.24 | AngelGabriel | pregnant? I SWEAR I had nothing to do with it! :) |
| 05:29.26 | SNIa | http://www.alsa-project.org/ <-- need not only the kernel module but these also |
| 05:29.33 | LordKahless | i compiled my whole kernel monolithic, aside from alsa, because i've had problems with alsa before |
| 05:29.38 | rich_ | because I have a couple guys helping around the house |
| 05:29.49 | SNIa | alsa driver, alsa library |
| 05:30.06 | peterrooney | difeta: Certainly not complete, but that would take care of the _obvious_ dev packages. |
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| 05:30.18 | scarynetworkguy | I didn't think Klingons configured things |
| 05:30.23 | AngelGabriel | Can anyone recommend a site, where i can find debian based distros? |
| 05:30.27 | trailertrash | LordKahless, you need to unmod all your current oss mods, and its tricky to get alsamods going |
| 05:30.35 | LordKahless | we dont, thats why im asking for help scarynetworkguy |
| 05:30.39 | SNIa | AngelGabriel: linuxiso.org? distrowatch? |
| 05:30.41 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Dude, they use a base 10 dating system... |
| 05:30.43 | LordKahless | unmod? |
| 05:30.48 | difeta | peterrooney, ahh ok thanks |
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| 05:31.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Ahhh now it all makes sense |
| 05:31.10 | peterrooney | scarynetworkguy: There is no honour in configuring a firewall. You must meet your enemies as they approach. |
| 05:31.11 | Phated | :D |
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| 05:31.18 | Phated | Hahahahahaha. |
| 05:31.23 | scarynetworkguy | peterrooney: Yeah I'd think so. |
| 05:31.25 | SNIa | base 10, like the 10 people who understand binary and those who don't. |
| 05:31.32 | Phated | Bash time. :) |
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| 05:31.44 | scarynetworkguy | Yay |
| 05:31.46 | Phated | Oh, I'm too lazy. |
| 05:31.56 | toresbe | Phated, mon cherrie, ta beauté et seulment comparable à qui a coupé le fromage. |
| 05:31.58 | LordKahless | anyone think they can direct me specifically to what i need to do with alsa? this is a fresh install, and i just finished compiling the kernel |
| 05:32.01 | SNIa | can't be that lazy, you use punctuation. |
| 05:32.13 | AngelGabriel | SNIa: I mean specialised distros, like err... clark connect, which is based on redhat... but uses apt-get so i'm impressed |
| 05:32.20 | Phated | toresbe: My beauty can be compared to a couple of cheese? Gee, thanks. :) |
| 05:32.41 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 05:32.54 | Phated | Well, I -think- that's what it translates to. |
| 05:33.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: thwap him with the slinky |
| 05:33.15 | SNIa | in medieval day it was a luxury to have cheese. Those that where rich could afford the "big cheese" hense the name for someone important? the big cheese. |
| 05:33.17 | LordKahless | heh |
| 05:33.20 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Nah, I like cheese. :D |
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| 05:33.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: OK. :D |
| 05:33.41 | Phated | Oh, goody, is it etymology afternoon again? |
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| 05:33.56 | peterrooney | difeta: for i in `COLUMNS=132 dpkg -l | awk `$1 ~ /ii/ {print $2}' ; do for j in `echo $i | awk -F- '{for (k=1;k <= NF; k++) print $k}' do apt-get install $i-dev ; done ; done |
| 05:33.57 | SNIa | its late evening here ;0 |
| 05:33.57 | scarynetworkguy | better that than Sunday afternoon |
| 05:33.59 | AngelGabriel | scarynetworkguy: Man - don't you sleep!? |
| 05:34.03 | rich_ | SNIa He ussually had the best parties |
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| 05:34.15 | The_Vulture | Phated: not too bad for a pizza, I'll give you that |
| 05:34.17 | scarynetworkguy | !sleep |
| 05:34.17 | dpkg | sleep is, like, For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... |
| 05:34.24 | peterrooney | difeta: a longer solution, more flexible, and damn near the line limit for this channel. |
| 05:34.27 | Phated | The_Vulture: Exactly. And I love pizzaz. |
| 05:34.34 | The_Vulture | *nods* |
| 05:34.38 | Phated | :D |
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| 05:34.48 | toresbe | Phated: Your beauty is only comparable to those who cut the cheese. ;) |
| 05:34.56 | peterrooney | difeta: and likely to produce a few errors :) |
| 05:34.59 | Phated | toresbe: THE KNIFE! BRILLIANT! |
| 05:35.20 | toresbe | Phated: One might say I have a "sharp" sense of humour. |
| 05:35.21 | deadcat | damn i got setup today. )= was gonna get the ibook from this dude but couldnt find him... damn starbucks. |
| 05:35.27 | deadcat | all over the street |
| 05:35.28 | Phated | toresbe: Bad pun. :) |
| 05:35.36 | Phated | deadcat: Poor thing. *huggles* |
| 05:35.41 | AngelGabriel | scarynetworkguy: Good answer! |
| 05:36.04 | scarynetworkguy | AngelGabriel: it's only 22:30 here |
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| 05:36.10 | LordKahless | oh wow, making alsa work was... TOO easy |
| 05:36.14 | SNIa | starbucks... they rape you in their prices.. |
| 05:36.15 | Phated | Anyone with ideas for mini slinky fun, join #debian-offtopic. :D |
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| 05:36.40 | AngelGabriel | deadcat: If someone asks you to meet them in starbucks, they don't wanna find you!! I live in london, and on my main road there are FIVE, read it FIVE starbucks! within three minutes walk of each other |
| 05:36.54 | rich_ | yea, then a lot of places use starbucks coffee and they rape you too. |
| 05:36.59 | toresbe | scarynetworkguy: Sleep is for the weak. Real programmers just enter ACPI C3. |
| 05:37.01 | maq | Heyguys, I cant seem to find the 8139too realtek driver while trying to install debian in my other computer |
| 05:37.03 | Phated | AngelGabriel: You'd think the caffeinated would have more enerygy to walk. |
| 05:37.05 | maq | was it renamed ? |
| 05:37.16 | SNIa | Large coffee and a grande rape? |
| 05:37.17 | deadcat | AngelGabriel: there 2 within one fucking block )= |
| 05:37.38 | Phated | Guys, I have like 2 7-11's within five minutes of each other. |
| 05:37.47 | deadcat | AngelGabriel: one block as in without crossing a street. |
| 05:38.03 | SNIa | see 7-11 thats important. can't run out of junk food at 3am |
| 05:38.06 | kaplanfx | who here uses an hp printer? their printing support seems to be best in linux but I'd like a few debian users opinions |
| 05:38.08 | fooz | Phated, i have 3 :D |
| 05:38.10 | fooz | maybe more |
| 05:38.25 | Phated | fooz: *GASP* I wanna live there! |
| 05:38.29 | fooz | Phated, every possible slurpee flavor |
| 05:38.30 | rich_ | I have a bbq place on the corner, with a bbq place that just opened across the street from it. And the new one is doing more bussiness |
| 05:38.30 | maher | kaplanfx: i have a psc 2110 - works fine |
| 05:38.35 | kaplanfx | maq: I think its built in |
| 05:38.43 | Phated | fooz: *GASP* |
| 05:38.43 | fooz | nah not really. the 7-11 guy said they have over 100 slurpee flavors in a big book to order from |
| 05:38.46 | maq | oh |
| 05:38.46 | maq | ok |
| 05:38.51 | Phated | fooz: Oh, my god... |
| 05:38.52 | fooz | each one only has 3-5 flavors |
| 05:38.53 | dli_ | how to let apt scan a local Packages.gz list, instead of from http mirrors? |
| 05:38.55 | kaplanfx | maq: you are installing woody? |
| 05:39.11 | kaplanfx | maher: is that a multifunction? |
| 05:39.12 | SNIa | I decided to learn screen today... jease what crack have I been smoking.. should of learned it ages ago. |
| 05:39.17 | maher | kaplanfx: yup |
| 05:39.20 | Phated | A hundred slurpee flavours... Oh woe is me that has only tried one. |
| 05:39.28 | fooz | Phated, there's one that gives you any free drink after buying 5 of any kind of drink |
| 05:39.29 | kaplanfx | maher: does the scanning and all that work? |
| 05:39.33 | maher | kaplanfx: yup |
| 05:39.36 | toresbe | Phated: Think THAT'S BAD? |
| 05:39.36 | kaplanfx | maher: I'm looking at getting the 2175 |
| 05:39.46 | toresbe | Phated: NORWAY doesn't HAVE slurpees. |
| 05:39.49 | SNIa | anyone here use Epson with Linux? |
| 05:39.50 | kaplanfx | maher: they got refurbs on ebay for 90 bucks |
| 05:39.50 | maq | Excellent ! |
| 05:39.52 | maq | it worked |
| 05:39.55 | fooz | Phated, and another one where the owner likes my bro and gives him cheaper refills |
| 05:40.00 | maq | the whole connecting the crossover cable |
| 05:40.00 | Phated | !pity toresbe |
| 05:40.01 | dpkg | I pity da fool toresbe! |
| 05:40.02 | trailertrash | dli_, try apt-cache search --- |
| 05:40.03 | toresbe | Phated: I tried one in Thailand. |
| 05:40.06 | Phated | fooz: Oooo, nice. |
| 05:40.06 | maq | to the uplink |
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| 05:40.08 | fooz | hehe |
| 05:40.14 | toresbe | Phated: And within 10 minutes, I had tried 4 more. |
| 05:40.25 | Phated | toresbe: Ahhh. DON'T YOU LOVE SLURPEES! |
| 05:40.25 | fooz | and the 3rd one i've only been to twice.. it's uninteresting |
| 05:40.31 | toresbe | Phated: YES! |
| 05:40.32 | kaplanfx | maq: yep, there are 3 or 4 net drivers built into the bf24 kernel, 8139 is one of them |
| 05:40.37 | Phated | toresbe: YAY! |
| 05:40.40 | dli_ | trailertrash: say, apt-cache search ./Packages.gz ? |
| 05:40.44 | kaplanfx | maq: you installing woody? |
| 05:40.45 | toresbe | Phated: So far we have agreed upon slurpees and Sushi. |
| 05:40.51 | Phated | toresbe: Yes, indeed. |
| 05:40.55 | toresbe | We should make a Slurpee-flavour sushi! |
| 05:40.57 | trailertrash | dli_, try apt-cache whatever |
| 05:40.59 | Phated | toresbe: And the blue-nowhere. |
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| 05:41.01 | AngelGabriel | I think starbucks runs with the same principles as Microsoft - Except that thier coffe doesn't fuck up your system, and doesn't bribe the shit outta you if you attempt to move your big blue chip company to another brand of coffee beans |
| 05:41.08 | toresbe | Phated: Aye. But that's not food. |
| 05:41.13 | Phated | You mean a sushi flavoured SlurpEE! |
| 05:41.20 | dli_ | trailertrash: thanks |
| 05:41.21 | toresbe | How about a sushi-flavoured Slurpee? |
| 05:41.23 | toresbe | haha |
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| 05:41.25 | Phated | :D |
| 05:41.28 | kaplanfx | ewww |
| 05:41.30 | rich_ | I have slurpees and sushi on the save corner. Its a little mall :) |
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| 05:41.34 | kaplanfx | sushi will kill me |
| 05:41.37 | fooz | mmm sushi |
| 05:41.39 | kaplanfx | er many kinds |
| 05:41.47 | fooz | grocery store where I work gets some sushi brought in every day |
| 05:41.47 | toresbe | Phated: Quick, get kaplanfx some sushi! |
| 05:41.48 | kaplanfx | haha, death by sushi |
| 05:41.53 | kaplanfx | toresbe: hey |
| 05:41.54 | fooz | every kind of roll |
| 05:41.55 | Phated | YES! |
| 05:42.00 | Phated | California maki! |
| 05:42.10 | scarynetworkguy | yes yes |
| 05:42.12 | rich_ | the slurpee place is called "jamba" they arent really slurpees, they are fruit juices |
| 05:42.12 | Phated | Which I personally dislike, actually. |
| 05:42.13 | SNIa | first time I had sushi I almost gaffed what I was eating |
| 05:42.24 | SNIa | oddly now I crave it |
| 05:42.28 | SNIa | weird. |
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| 05:42.36 | SNIa | maybe they feed their fish crack |
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| 05:42.42 | Phated | I want sushi! |
| 05:42.53 | Phated | AngelGabriel: You poor sod. |
| 05:42.53 | SNIa | oooo WASABI!!! |
| 05:42.56 | rich_ | Im a little worried about sushi because of the mercury |
| 05:43.00 | wasabi | ? |
| 05:43.00 | Phated | Oooooo tempura! |
| 05:43.04 | wasabi | damnit |
| 05:43.06 | fooz | the first sushi everyone eats is always bad.. only the cool people try it again |
| 05:43.10 | kaplanfx | maher: do you use hpijs driver? |
| 05:43.14 | SNIa | oooooo SAKI !!!! |
| 05:43.14 | maher | kaplanfx: yes |
| 05:43.15 | bur[n]er | anyone know of any disk imaging software for linux... similar to norton ghost?? |
| 05:43.18 | wasabi | bur[n]er, dd |
| 05:43.20 | toresbe | fooz: I loved it from day 1 |
| 05:43.21 | iblis- | whos sushi ... whos tempura ? :p |
| 05:43.23 | kaplanfx | maher: and thats compatible with cups? |
| 05:43.26 | Phated | wasabi: FFS, change your nick to w4s461. :D |
| 05:43.27 | fooz | toresbe, lucky |
| 05:43.30 | AngelGabriel | it's just that i prefer my food, you know... cooked, seasoned, hot ! |
| 05:43.33 | Phated | fooz: Me too. |
| 05:43.36 | maher | kaplanfx: i use hpijs / hpoj / cups |
| 05:43.51 | kaplanfx | maher: the printer is slow though eh? |
| 05:44.02 | kaplanfx | i mean in general, not becuase of linux |
| 05:44.02 | ed0n | I want to install nvidia kernel module in debian but it says that it depends in nvidia-kernel-common which says that it has no installation candidate |
| 05:44.10 | maher | kaplanfx: dunno - i'm not a heavy printer user - i don't time it |
| 05:44.11 | AngelGabriel | what is l33t suppose to spell? For the life of me i can't figure it out |
| 05:44.17 | Phated | leet. |
| 05:44.22 | Phated | Or 1337. |
| 05:44.25 | fooz | actually most people that say they don't like sushi.. ask them if they've tried it, and they'll say no |
| 05:44.25 | AngelGabriel | What is leet? |
| 05:44.31 | bur[n]er | wasabi: dd doens't really do compression though |
| 05:44.34 | kaplanfx | maher: buts can it get anywhere near the rated 17ppm in b/w |
| 05:44.34 | Phated | Elite. |
| 05:44.34 | toresbe | AngelGabriel: Elite |
| 05:44.35 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 05:44.35 | fooz | they just can't fathom the idea of raw fish |
| 05:44.41 | wasabi | bur[n]er, dd | gzip |
| 05:44.43 | SNIa | leet is like he's h4x0r g0d |
| 05:44.44 | maher | kaplanfx: no idea |
| 05:44.45 | bur[n]er | can dd go to a file? |
| 05:44.45 | LordKahless | how can i tell what ver of X i have? |
| 05:44.52 | bur[n]er | and can i restore from a dd? |
| 05:44.54 | AngelGabriel | toresbe: Oh man! Of course! *duh* |
| 05:44.54 | SNIa | or she. |
| 05:45.02 | SNIa | bur[n]er: man dd |
| 05:45.03 | bur[n]er | and can i browse a dd to restore only certain files? |
| 05:45.04 | fooz | if they have tried it, they've only tried california rolls (as they have cooked imitation crab usually) |
| 05:45.10 | Phated | LordKahless: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86? :D |
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| 05:45.15 | SNIa | ah dead pixel euch |
| 05:45.17 | toresbe | AngelGabriel: Now all you need to do is try sushi and you're a lingeek! Congrats! :P |
| 05:45.18 | bur[n]er | ok ok... i'll man it |
| 05:45.19 | AngelGabriel | h4x0r?? What's THAT!? |
| 05:45.23 | fooz | they're just wimps |
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| 05:45.32 | toresbe | AngelGabriel: ...? |
| 05:45.37 | toresbe | AngelGabriel: ...hacker...? |
| 05:45.40 | SNIa | AngelGabriel: h4x0r == hacker |
| 05:45.45 | LordKahless | phated eh? do i really wanna do that? lol |
| 05:45.50 | AngelGabriel | Well, it's 6.45 am, i'll order sushi later! |
| 05:45.54 | kaplanfx | maher: that model doesn't do copying though huh? :( |
| 05:46.00 | Phated | LordKahless: YES. I'm not trollign you.. :) |
| 05:46.01 | maher | kaplanfx: it does |
| 05:46.04 | Usiu | Hi, I have a problem with squid cause it spawns 18x (memstat) processes of 47mb ant those go up even to 99mb.. It's 1,8Gb for squid... Any solutions ?? |
| 05:46.05 | bur[n]er | man dd sucks |
| 05:46.06 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: why not? |
| 05:46.12 | toresbe | bur[n]er: It does. |
| 05:46.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I think the :D scared him off. |
| 05:46.19 | IMTheNachoMan | what are some of yalls PS1 vars? i cant think of any cool ones |
| 05:46.20 | LordKahless | lol coz i just did it and it didnt do anything |
| 05:46.22 | toresbe | bur[n]er: I think there is software that does the job better. |
| 05:46.35 | trailertrash | ed0n, did you add nonfree in sources.list |
| 05:46.36 | SNIa | bur[n]er: dd --help |
| 05:46.39 | AngelGabriel | SNIa: toresbe: I can't believe i didn;t figure that out!! Man, I am so slow! Stick me in a room with 500 units, that need XP installed in two hours, and yeah, I can do it, but I couldn't figure out hacker? |
| 05:46.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: hm, not much of a Kliingon then is he? |
| 05:46.39 | toresbe | bur[n]er: But, tar is a far better alternative. |
| 05:46.40 | rich_ | Its not all raw fish. My wife just hates fish, because she spent a couple years on a fishing boat, and got sick of it, but she kind of likes a nice sweet unagi roll. Noty the whole thing, but she'l eat a peice if I get it |
| 05:46.47 | ed0n | trailertrash: yes |
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| 05:46.51 | SNIa | dd if=in-source of=out-source |
| 05:46.52 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: EXACTLY> |
| 05:46.55 | LordKahless | Qapla! |
| 05:46.57 | Usiu | Any help ?? |
| 05:46.58 | bur[n]er | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:47.18 | toresbe | bur[n]er: Well, tar is your best option imo |
| 05:47.22 | SNIa | AngelGabriel: you're pulling my leg. |
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| 05:47.35 | toresbe | bur[n]er: It supports compression. |
| 05:47.45 | toresbe | bur[n]er: It's been used since the seventies. |
| 05:47.47 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: do you know what that command will do |
| 05:47.48 | bur[n]er | toresbe: it's not a true 'image' though right? like if i want to image a windows hard drive |
| 05:47.51 | kaplanfx | maher: I'm a little leary buying a refurbished printer, but its like 1/3 of a new model, damn printers are so finicky to begin with. |
| 05:47.53 | trailertrash | ed0n, try nvidia-kernel-common |
| 05:47.54 | SNIa | it's, ehm |
| 05:47.57 | SNIa | man\ dd sucks |
| 05:48.11 | maher | kaplanfx: printers don't last so long anyway... |
| 05:48.23 | LordKahless | not exactly, im assuming it will list any packages that corrospond to xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:48.26 | toresbe | kaplanfx: Why do you want imaging like that? If you do, then use dd, but - you probably do not.. |
| 05:48.29 | kaplanfx | maher: yeah :( |
| 05:48.41 | SNIa | there's also g4u |
| 05:48.41 | ed0n | trailertrash: it says that it doesn't have any release candidate |
| 05:48.43 | SNIa | ghost 4 unix |
| 05:48.48 | SNIa | which... uses...dd |
| 05:49.07 | kaplanfx | toresbe: I know you like me, but I wasn't even talking to ya |
| 05:49.09 | SNIa | but its easy to use |
| 05:49.11 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: when thins are this busy you really need to use nicks yes it will give you the verison that is installed |
| 05:49.18 | AngelGabriel | SNIa: Just use Ghost Corporate !! Simple! lol |
| 05:49.24 | SNIa | heh |
| 05:49.28 | toresbe | bur[n]er: Why do you want imaging like that? If you do, then use dd, but - you probably do not.. |
| 05:49.31 | toresbe | kaplanfx: sorry :) |
| 05:49.34 | kaplanfx | hehe :) |
| 05:49.34 | bur[n]er | toresbe: i just want an alternative to norton ghost... i'd hate to pirate |
| 05:49.35 | Phated | Heh. |
| 05:49.50 | toresbe | bur[n]er: ER, tar! |
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| 05:50.05 | SNIa | argh... when is international pirate day? or is it over? |
| 05:50.11 | LordKahless | scarynetworkguy: heh sorry bout that, im used to being in windows and my mirc script puts annoying colors when i try to use nicks |
| 05:50.14 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! |
| 05:50.19 | trailertrash | ed0n, ive got in in testing i think, unless it is coming from the mplayer site |
| 05:50.37 | scarynetworkguy | SNIa: the 19th |
| 05:50.37 | K_Dallas | a pretty simple Q ;) How do I install a *.deb file? |
| 05:50.38 | SNIa | SEPT 19 |
| 05:50.38 | toresbe | bur[n]er: tar -czf / image.tgz |
| 05:50.40 | SNIa | heh |
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| 05:50.51 | The_Vulture | K_Dallas: man dpkg |
| 05:50.53 | toresbe | K_Dallas: A pretty simple A: dpkg -i file |
| 05:50.54 | bur[n]er | i know how to do it toresbe... wouldn't it be a .tar though? |
| 05:50.56 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 05:51.00 | SNIa | argh, theee 19th gettin a bit closer me thinkin |
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| 05:51.13 | toresbe | bur[n]er: No, tgz because it's compressed (the z part) |
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| 05:51.27 | SNIa | http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ |
| 05:51.40 | Phated | Oh no, it's TOMORROW! |
| 05:51.42 | bur[n]er | and a .tar is just a non-compressed tar file? |
| 05:51.47 | toresbe | Phated: Yar! |
| 05:51.48 | Phated | Yes, bur[n]er. |
| 05:51.57 | Phated | toresbe: Yay indeedy. |
| 05:52.08 | bur[n]er | hrm... never knew that.. always used bz2 balls |
| 05:52.22 | SNIa | heh |
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| 05:52.32 | Phated | bz2 balls... *stifle* |
| 05:52.43 | scarynetworkguy | hahahaha |
| 05:52.44 | SNIa | heh, or version 1 |
| 05:52.48 | SNIa | bz balls |
| 05:52.48 | maher | toresbe: fleamarket |
| 05:52.57 | Phated | Hmph. *stifle* |
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| 05:53.04 | AngelGabriel | I want to set up a box that I can connect to from another department - usually when i do this, it's on a windows box, and i used remote desktop - what the linux equivelent |
| 05:53.05 | Phated | toresbe: Dude, flea markets are cool. |
| 05:53.07 | toresbe | maher: Watevur. |
| 05:53.12 | K_Dallas | anyone knows why Scilab is marked non-free for Debian? It is free as far as I know |
| 05:53.20 | Phated | Licencing, probably. |
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| 05:53.26 | SNIa | AngelGabriel: x2vnc |
| 05:53.26 | rich_ | I dont compress my balls |
| 05:53.34 | Phated | Hmph. *stifle* |
| 05:53.36 | toresbe | "Yarr, me matey, this datasette shalt never read a tape of Monty on the run again. I give ye 20 cents! 20 cents, I say! Yarr!" |
| 05:53.38 | SNIa | do you encrypt your balls? |
| 05:53.43 | scarynetworkguy | K_Dallas: it would seem that it is not DFSG free |
| 05:53.49 | Phated | Boo. |
| 05:53.57 | rich_ | SNIa nope |
| 05:54.07 | Phated | What exactly is SciLab? |
| 05:54.10 | SNIa | heh |
| 05:54.14 | toresbe | My balls are public and noncompressed. |
| 05:54.19 | scarynetworkguy | !scilab |
| 05:54.19 | K_Dallas | Scilab = Matlab replacement |
| 05:54.24 | SNIa | chmod 777 balls |
| 05:54.31 | Phated | Oh, god. :D |
| 05:54.32 | K_Dallas | DFSG? |
| 05:54.45 | toresbe | K_Dallas: Debian free something guys |
| 05:54.51 | K_Dallas | oh ;) |
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| 05:55.03 | claviola | helix: wow, I see (http://www.double-helix.org/screenshots/urxvt.png) that you either got really hooked to brazilian pop rock while visiting, or just copied one of the natives' ~/mp3 :-) |
| 05:55.09 | SNIa | toresbe: just don't let public be able to write on your balls |
| 05:55.25 | scarynetworkguy | K_Dallas: Debian Free Software guidlines |
| 05:55.27 | helix | claviola: heh. I bought like 8 legiao urbana cds while I was there.. |
| 05:55.34 | toresbe | SNIa: It utilizes CLAs. |
| 05:55.57 | K_Dallas | i see. i have to read to see what it is but the whole idea of making scilab is to make a free matlab availabl for universities |
| 05:55.58 | helix | claviola: I found out about cazuza after I got back though :( |
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| 05:56.28 | K_Dallas | anyway, I have to say that I am pretty darn happy about my decision on switching to debian ;) nice distro |
| 05:56.38 | toresbe | K_Dallas: Same with me. |
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| 05:56.43 | SNIa | toresbe: CLAs? |
| 05:56.55 | toresbe | SNIa: Access lists ;) |
| 05:57.00 | SNIa | figured |
| 05:57.10 | Phated | AKA phonedirectory. |
| 05:57.16 | SNIa | heh |
| 05:57.20 | SNIa | YP |
| 05:57.28 | SNIa | X.500 |
| 05:57.36 | toresbe | SNIa: the "large fart"-smiley? |
| 05:57.52 | toresbe | YP |
| 05:58.28 | SNIa | haven't toyed into that area much, yet... always something to learn |
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| 05:58.42 | SNIa | all i've done is Novell and AD with Win2k |
| 05:58.46 | toresbe | !titslap SNIa |
| 05:59.01 | toresbe | Aw, there isn't anything from the bot... |
| 05:59.01 | SNIa | just the one? |
| 05:59.02 | SNIa | heh |
| 05:59.17 | SNIa | the other one too |
| 05:59.22 | toresbe | + |
| 05:59.28 | SNIa | thats better |
| 05:59.40 | scarynetworkguy | SNIa: it would really be better if you just told peole that you deal drugs to young children |
| 05:59.45 | K_Dallas | does dpkg -i installs a binary *.deb file or a source *.deb file as well? (not sure if my Q makes sense tho, it is that i have found the latest scilab in deb format but there is ony named all-bin and one just all) |
| 06:00.00 | bob2 | K_Dallas: binary only |
| 06:00.05 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 06:00.21 | SNIa | scarynetworkguy: who's peole? |
| 06:00.22 | K_Dallas | so if i get a tarball i have to do the usualy configure ..., right? |
| 06:00.28 | kaplanfx | someone ping ebay |
| 06:00.30 | bob2 | K_Dallas: of course |
| 06:00.34 | kaplanfx | is it possible that ebay went down? |
| 06:00.35 | K_Dallas | good |
| 06:00.40 | AngelGabriel | I got a whole bunch of users on my network, that follow newsgroups - would it be possible for me to cache the news articles they read? Maybe pull them from a local server? |
| 06:00.40 | bob2 | K_Dallas: dpkg can't magically make a debian source package from a random tarball |
| 06:00.43 | kaplanfx | and engadget at the same time |
| 06:00.44 | SNIa | scarynetworkguy: peole is that the guy who can't spell :P |
| 06:00.47 | bob2 | "checkinstall" has a go at it |
| 06:00.47 | Phated | kaplanfx: On the case. |
| 06:00.49 | bob2 | AngelGabriel: leafnode |
| 06:00.55 | kaplanfx | phaethon: huh |
| 06:00.56 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 06:01.01 | scarynetworkguy | SNIa: I am the Dark Lord of IRC Typos |
| 06:01.02 | kaplanfx | er Phated |
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| 06:01.09 | Phated | kaplanfx: Hm? |
| 06:01.11 | K_Dallas | bob2, i have got scilab_3.0-7_all.deb and scilab-bin_3.0-7_i386.deb |
| 06:01.29 | Phated | kaplanfx: Ebay is down, AFAICT. |
| 06:01.35 | bob2 | K_Dallas: then install them, they're binary packages |
| 06:01.44 | K_Dallas | both? |
| 06:01.48 | kaplanfx | gah I think the internet is going down, or my isp's dns server is borked |
| 06:01.50 | SNIa | the typo Sith, a paduan for every master there is, hrmnnn |
| 06:01.56 | ed0n | I am having a problem installing nvidia kernel module, I installed module-assistant and did module-assistant auto-install nvidia, it downloaded and did the whole things, but in the end it says to me that it can't install the .deb file it made becouse it has a unresolved dependency named nvidia-kernel-common, and it asks me if I want to remove the .deb file it made if I choose the file to be installed and I modprobe nvidia the x doesn't start saying no nvidia modul |
| 06:01.59 | Phated | paduan... How very apt. |
| 06:02.03 | kaplanfx | Phated: what isp do you use? |
| 06:02.12 | bob2 | K_Dallas: yes |
| 06:02.19 | Phated | kaplanfx: Nope, ebay is down. I most assuredly use a different ISP than you. :) |
| 06:02.22 | K_Dallas | ok, trying right now |
| 06:02.40 | kaplanfx | Phated: weird, it just came back up |
| 06:02.45 | scarynetworkguy | ed0n: /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian |
| 06:02.49 | AngelGabriel | leafnode .... |
| 06:02.57 | Phated | kaplanfx: I'm still not pinging it. :) |
| 06:03.01 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: ya think? |
| 06:03.09 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh well. :) |
| 06:03.13 | SNIa | someone with a backhoe just cut the line carying your packet to ebay |
| 06:03.51 | Phated | Oh, no, it's back up, it just blocks pings. |
| 06:04.05 | Phated | *sigh* Too bad. |
| 06:04.10 | K_Dallas | is there anyway I could tell dpkg to install all the needed packages instead of stopping? |
| 06:04.16 | evane | Having a little trouble with winbindd in debian, I was using CentOS 3.1 previously with no issues, i have my smb configured correctly and it is joined to the AD Domain but winbindd doesn't seem to be pulling user/groups... in CentOS i really didn't have to do anything for this... i am kinda lost anyone have any ideas |
| 06:04.31 | K_Dallas | or should i install them one after another |
| 06:04.39 | SNIa | heh.. the headlines "drunk backhoe operator interupts red dragon kills 15 in everquest suicide" |
| 06:04.49 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:04.59 | SNIa | more at 11 |
| 06:05.07 | SNIa | oh. it is 11 hrmn |
| 06:05.16 | Phated | Hahahahaha. |
| 06:06.01 | claviola | what in hell |
| 06:06.11 | claviola | I was editing stuff and just got suspended (on orkut) |
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| 06:07.01 | SNIa | http://www.killsometime.com/humor/humor.asp?humor=Need-Directions |
| 06:07.04 | SNIa | funny! |
| 06:08.29 | phaethon | <- looking at notebook puters to purchase |
| 06:08.40 | phaethon | anyone got an opinionated bias on choices? |
| 06:08.47 | maher | phaethon: sharp mm20 |
| 06:09.03 | ed0n | how should I install nvidia-kernel-common it is required for nvidia? |
| 06:09.54 | bob2 | ed0n: using apt. |
| 06:09.58 | The_Vulture | ed0n: same way you install any other package.. |
| 06:10.12 | phaethon | maher, you have one? |
| 06:10.31 | SNIa | phaethon: Apple? powerbook? |
| 06:10.39 | ed0n | bob2: The_Vulture, it says that it doesn't have release candidate |
| 06:10.41 | maher | phaethon: unfortunately not |
| 06:11.29 | phaethon | maher, so what is it about it? |
| 06:11.32 | phaethon | (besides the Efficeon thing) |
| 06:11.37 | bob2 | ed0n: paste the error to #flood |
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| 06:13.22 | maher | phaethon: light - 9 hours barrery life |
| 06:13.42 | phaethon | maher, I don't want to drop a wad of cash and I find out I'm stuck with Wi... Wi.... I can't say it. |
| 06:14.16 | maher | phaethon: look at linux-laptops for install details or buy one pre-installed from emperor linux |
| 06:14.27 | phaethon | ah. cool. |
| 06:15.35 | rich_ | I heard hp sells computers with debian on them. I heard ibm sells them with redhat. Dont know what sun is pushing |
| 06:16.02 | rich_ | or fujitsu, but both sell computers with some linux dist pre-installed |
| 06:16.20 | phaethon | I should've taken a knoppix CD along while shopping. |
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| 06:16.28 | phaethon | see what a deb-based distro can figure out of the hardware. |
| 06:16.50 | bob2 | ubuntu! |
| 06:16.57 | bob2 | ubuntu live 0wnz j00. |
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| 06:26.06 | tchino | i have problem with tetex-base under installing sarge |
| 06:26.52 | meff | anyone know how to resize a ext3 logical volume in lvm2? |
| 06:28.53 | bob2 | tchino: What does the BTS say? (/msg apt bts) |
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| 06:30.05 | bob2 | meff: ext2resize - an ext2 filesystem resizer |
| 06:30.18 | streuner | tchino: oh, the libpaper1 package didn't tell you much? |
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| 06:30.46 | streuner | tchino: well, there is no pkg.preinst, but pkg.config |
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| 06:31.19 | streuner | tchino: did you try apt-get --reinstall install libpaper1 (to configure it) |
| 06:31.22 | streuner | ? |
| 06:32.48 | tchino | streuner: i have move the file libpaper1 in /tmp, then i do apt-get -f install, and it installed the libpapaer1 and 60 other packages |
| 06:33.02 | streuner | hehe |
| 06:33.21 | streuner | tchino: dirty hacks, but it worked :-) |
| 06:33.24 | tchino | streuner: i mean lippaper1.postinstall |
| 06:33.37 | streuner | very good |
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| 06:33.50 | tchino | streuner: but the tetex-base, it will not functioned |
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| 06:34.06 | Ritalin | hey guys |
| 06:34.15 | Ritalin | how would i list a dvd player in fstab? |
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| 06:34.19 | streuner | tchino: even when libpaper1 is installed? |
| 06:34.34 | streuner | tchino: so listen to bob2... |
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| 06:34.47 | bob2 | Ritalin: why would you? |
| 06:34.57 | gnu | hey guys how do you get into root with ubuntu? |
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| 06:35.16 | bob2 | gnu: a) this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 06:35.22 | streuner | tchino: (BTS) |
| 06:35.24 | bob2 | gnu: b) it's in the FAQ |
| 06:35.30 | bob2 | good lord |
| 06:35.47 | Ritalin | bob2 why wouldnt i? I want it to work at boot |
| 06:35.52 | bwlang | Ritalin: same as a cdplayer... /dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 user ... |
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| 06:36.15 | bob2 | Ritalin: it doesn't need to be in fstab for dvd movie playing to work |
| 06:36.28 | gnu | oh |
| 06:36.34 | peterrooney | Which package would provide me with the font 'nimbus' ? Debian's package search page (and dpkg -S) yeilded nothing. Google doesn't mention nimbus in the same breath as debian. |
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| 06:37.19 | cartman | moin |
| 06:37.29 | Ritalin | right now my cd player in fstab looks like this: dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro 00 |
| 06:37.34 | Ritalin | is that wrong? |
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| 06:38.11 | cthomas | Ritalin : no forward slash in front of dev? |
| 06:38.24 | Ritalin | there is sorry |
| 06:38.36 | Ritalin | that look ok to you guys? |
| 06:38.40 | Ritalin | <----newb |
| 06:38.56 | cthomas | Ritalin : does it not work? |
| 06:38.58 | bob2 | you need a space between the 0's |
| 06:39.02 | cartman | Ritalin: there is space between 0's |
| 06:39.04 | cartman | ? |
| 06:39.08 | Ritalin | dont know im installing |
| 06:39.17 | Ritalin | ive gotten to fstab |
| 06:39.25 | Ritalin | just compiled kernel |
| 06:39.30 | cthomas | is that the default? |
| 06:39.35 | Ritalin | yeah |
| 06:39.40 | cthomas | or did you put that in? |
| 06:39.44 | cthomas | if it's the default, go with hit |
| 06:39.53 | cartman | Ritalin: remember you dont mount audio cds |
| 06:40.02 | cartman | in case |
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| 06:40.26 | Ritalin | /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom iso9660 noauto,ro 0 0\ |
| 06:40.32 | Ritalin | thats exaclty what it has |
| 06:40.33 | cthomas | and don't use the tray as a cup holder ;) |
| 06:40.35 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to run a SMTP server as a certain user, instead of root? |
| 06:40.42 | bob2 | Led_Zeppelin: no |
| 06:40.43 | cartman | cthomas :) |
| 06:40.45 | bob2 | not a receiving one |
| 06:40.46 | Ritalin | minus the \ |
| 06:40.48 | Ritalin | :)( |
| 06:40.50 | Ritalin | grrr |
| 06:40.52 | cthomas | Ritalin : do you have reason to believe it's wrong? |
| 06:40.58 | cartman | Ritalin: its correct |
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| 06:41.06 | phaethon | argh. dell and gateway suck. |
| 06:41.07 | Ritalin | well i dont know crap about fstab so i dont have a clue really |
| 06:41.21 | cthomas | Ritalin : why are you freaking out about it? |
| 06:41.30 | Ritalin | cause im a nervous person |
| 06:41.33 | Ritalin | :) |
| 06:41.33 | nenn | any idea how i can apt-get mplayer? |
| 06:41.37 | cthomas | Ritalin : there are a million other things you won't know are right about your system |
| 06:41.37 | tchino | streuner: very complicated, there. but i don't find anything my problem, that it will be unconfigurated |
| 06:41.40 | nextime | bob2 : depend on wich MTA |
| 06:41.48 | phaethon | mv ~/foot dell:/dev/rear |
| 06:41.49 | helix | phaethon: but dell has clever cases |
| 06:41.56 | cthomas | Ritalin : don't come in freaking out unless something is wrong.. jeez ;) |
| 06:41.59 | mtnman | phaethon: add compaq |
| 06:42.00 | valdyn_ | nenn: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 06:42.07 | Led_Zeppelin | bob2, even for port 25? |
| 06:42.10 | nextime | for example with qmail only few pieces of code is running as root |
| 06:42.11 | cartman | nenn: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 06:42.12 | phaethon | HP and Compaq are overly large for my purposes. |
| 06:42.14 | bob2 | nextime: it can't bind port 25 without root priveleges |
| 06:42.16 | Ritalin | so i shouldnt even add the dvd player to fstab? |
| 06:42.20 | streuner | tchino: paste the error in #flood |
| 06:42.20 | bob2 | Led_Zeppelin: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:42.25 | Ritalin | just mount it when i need it? |
| 06:42.27 | phaethon | those two seem to concentrate on portable shunken movie theaters. |
| 06:42.32 | cartman | Ritalin: yes |
| 06:42.36 | Ritalin | works for me |
| 06:42.39 | Ritalin | thanx for help |
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| 06:43.07 | cthomas | er... sure |
| 06:43.08 | nextime | bob2 : sure, but it just can drop root privileges after port binding, like apache for 80 |
| 06:43.13 | cartman | nextime: exim drops root privileges too afair |
| 06:43.15 | bob2 | nextime: sure |
| 06:43.38 | nextime | cartman : i know, qmail was an example, not the only one |
| 06:43.46 | dli_ | how do I make a simple local Packages.tgz, say, I have two compiled .deb files, nothing more than that |
| 06:44.04 | phaethon | I've currently my eyes on Fujitsu's S6210 series notebook, but the thing with Centrino's WLAN is a real turn-off. |
| 06:44.07 | bob2 | dli_: dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages |
| 06:44.07 | streuner | dli_: man dpkg-scanpackages |
| 06:44.07 | cartman | nextime: well that answers your q. too |
| 06:44.11 | nenn | that command didnt work -.- |
| 06:44.21 | cartman | !marillat |
| 06:44.21 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main". |
| 06:44.24 | Led_Zeppelin | bob2, running Apache James. Currently its running as root. I want to create a user called "james" and have that user run it. |
| 06:44.24 | cthomas | nextime : does sendmail not drop root? |
| 06:44.31 | cartman | nenn: listen to dpkg |
| 06:44.35 | nenn | i did |
| 06:44.37 | dli_ | bob2: I got that part, but I don't know how to put that in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:44.44 | Led_Zeppelin | bob2, since its going to be using SMTP (port 25), I think I need root access to run it |
| 06:44.47 | cartman | nenn: apt-get update first |
| 06:44.51 | bob2 | dli_: deb file://path/to/dir ./ |
| 06:44.55 | nenn | alright |
| 06:45.13 | dli_ | bob2: great, I have apache running, I need http:// |
| 06:45.22 | bob2 | Led_Zeppelin: yes, it does. it may be able to drop priveleges after startup, as nextime said; ask in a james-specific channel or list |
| 06:45.35 | bob2 | dli_: then the same but with http instead of file |
| 06:46.03 | nextime | cthomas: i don't use sendmail from too many years, i cant' remember, but i think yes, sendmail can drop privileges too |
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| 06:46.28 | tchino | treuner: how can set the english language temporary |
| 06:46.34 | tchino | streuner: how can set the english language temporary |
| 06:46.45 | dli_ | bob2: trying :) thanks |
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| 06:47.14 | nenn | !dpkg marillat |
| 06:47.14 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main". |
| 06:47.34 | streuner | tchino: edit /etc/environment |
| 06:47.36 | nenn | echo:/home/echo# deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main |
| 06:47.40 | nenn | bash: deb: command not found |
| 06:47.41 | nenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.01 | bob2 | nenn: yes, read the entire first sentence please. |
| 06:48.08 | cthomas | ;) |
| 06:48.28 | nenn | sigh |
| 06:48.32 | streuner | tchino: just 'create' the config-file |
| 06:48.40 | bob2 | nenn: do you know what "your sources.list" is? |
| 06:48.49 | cthomas | !sources.list |
| 06:48.49 | dpkg | If you have problems adding unofficial sites to sources.list, try "deb URL ./" or 'man 5 sources.list' or woody: 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free' or woody non-us: 'deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free', or use apt-setup in package base-config to configure your sources.list, or examples: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 06:49.09 | bob2 | that doesn't seem very helpful |
| 06:49.12 | dli_ | bob2: you are great, it works :) |
| 06:49.20 | bob2 | dli_: cool |
| 06:49.21 | nailbiter | tchino: for just one program invocation? 'LANG=en_US myprog' |
| 06:49.24 | cthomas | dpkg: sources.list is also /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:49.25 | dpkg | cthomas: okay |
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| 06:52.37 | Led_Zeppelin | i have like a defunt process on my system. I am trying to killall -9 xmms, but its not quitting. |
| 06:52.44 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: sources.list =~ s#or /etc/apt/sources.list$## |
| 06:52.44 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'or /etc/apt/sources.list$', dondelelcaro |
| 06:52.59 | streuner | Led_Zeppelin: reboot |
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| 06:53.12 | Led_Zeppelin | strerror, hmm |
| 06:53.18 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: check /var/log/kern.log; has 'xmms' caused a kernel oops in your sound driver? |
| 06:53.18 | Led_Zeppelin | streuner, there has to be another way |
| 06:53.27 | bob2 | there doesn't have to be |
| 06:53.38 | streuner | Led_Zeppelin: defunct with xmms causes headaches |
| 06:53.56 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, not that I see |
| 06:54.07 | Led_Zeppelin | mp3blaster is doing the same too |
| 06:54.26 | Led_Zeppelin | load average: 4.02, 4.04, 4.00 |
| 06:54.26 | Led_Zeppelin | yikes! |
| 06:54.27 | streuner | Led_Zeppelin: custom kernel? |
| 06:54.32 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: ok. do a 'echo hello >/dev/dsp'; does that become unkillable as well? |
| 06:54.39 | Led_Zeppelin | streuner, no stock. 2.6.x |
| 06:54.41 | cthomas | Led_Zeppelin : kernel version? |
| 06:54.53 | Led_Zeppelin | Linux athlonxp 2.6.7-1-386 #1 Thu Jul 8 05:08:04 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:55.07 | tchino | streuner: in #flood, there is output of apt-get -f install |
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| 06:55.13 | streuner | ok |
| 06:55.15 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, no |
| 06:55.33 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, mplayer foo.mp3 plays fine, BTW |
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| 06:55.50 | nenn | mplayer i <3 you |
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| 06:56.05 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: hm. does 'aumix' hang? |
| 06:56.24 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: and what state is 'xmms' stuck in? 'D'? |
| 06:56.25 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, alsamixer? |
| 06:56.28 | streuner | tchino: apt-get install localconf |
| 06:56.39 | cthomas | nenn , is that supposed to be a heart? |
| 06:56.41 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: well, that'd be a good test, too. :) |
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| 06:57.03 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, the status is '?' |
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| 06:57.11 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, alsamixer works fine |
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| 06:57.29 | nenn | i like rexima |
| 06:57.36 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: '?'? :) when you do a 'ps aux', the process state will be in the 'STAT' column .. |
| 06:57.51 | streuner | tchino: tell us the output of 'apt-get --reinstall install tetex-base' (don't flood the channel) |
| 06:58.02 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: usually, it's something like 'D' for "disk i/o", or 'S' for "asleep" or 'R' for "running" .. |
| 06:58.11 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, Ds |
| 06:58.23 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, right.. |
| 06:58.29 | cthomas | disk sleep? |
| 06:58.38 | Led_Zeppelin | it IS mounted via NFS |
| 06:58.43 | cthomas | sleeping disk zombies! |
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| 06:58.47 | Led_Zeppelin | should I restart nfs? |
| 06:58.51 | cthomas | good lord |
| 06:58.53 | phaethon | disk-eating zombies. |
| 06:58.57 | Led_Zeppelin | cthomas, looks like it. |
| 06:59.07 | Led_Zeppelin | its killing my I/O here |
| 06:59.08 | sigjuice | from the ps manpage. D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 06:59.08 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: aah. :) |
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| 06:59.12 | cthomas | braainns... er! I mean diiiisks... |
| 06:59.13 | Led_Zeppelin | well, atleast my load average |
| 06:59.17 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, any suggestion? |
| 06:59.21 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: ok. is your nfs service hung? :) |
| 06:59.26 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, no |
| 06:59.30 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, not at all... |
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| 07:00.17 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: ok. can you attach 'strace' to the 'xmms' process to see what it's stuck doing? |
| 07:00.29 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: the syntax should be something like 'strace -p <pid>' |
| 07:00.50 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: i'll bet it's a read() .. |
| 07:01.02 | Led_Zeppelin | athlonxp:/tmp# strace -p 28169 |
| 07:01.02 | Led_Zeppelin | Process 28169 attached - interrupt to quit |
| 07:01.08 | cthomas | braainnss() |
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| 07:01.25 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: erp. nothing at all? |
| 07:01.26 | SNIa | nice, created a script for my samba share. fixit shop for windows. got a script that autoupdates norton, vet, fprot, adaware and spybot |
| 07:01.34 | Ritalin | what does root login at a serial console mean? |
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| 07:02.12 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, nope. |
| 07:02.13 | nailbiter | Ritalin: it means hooking up a terminal to the computer's serial port, and logging in over that. :) |
| 07:02.15 | sigjuice | why does dpkg -l truncate the output to 80 columns even thought konsole is bigger than that? |
| 07:02.16 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, reboot? |
| 07:02.22 | SNIa | Ritalin: your console where system errors will display to, and it will be over serial port, guessing ttyS0 |
| 07:02.28 | tchino | streuner: look in #flood |
| 07:02.36 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: ok. try "umount -f"-ing your NFS mount first .. |
| 07:02.36 | Ritalin | nah i dont need that |
| 07:02.40 | streuner | hm |
| 07:02.42 | sigjuice | I always find myself running COLUMNS=132 dpkg -l |
| 07:02.54 | cthomas | Ritalin : are you recompiling the kernel? |
| 07:02.56 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, i did that ofcourse :-) |
| 07:02.56 | nailbiter | Ritalin: it's useful on headless systems without video displays. :) |
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| 07:03.27 | Ritalin | cthomas nah im just finishing up some stuff |
| 07:03.41 | difeta | hey all i'm trying to load the HAL daemon, but the command hald doesn't seem to do anything. Any ideas? |
| 07:03.41 | peterS | sigjuice: you should do this in .bashrc: alias wdpkg="COLUMNS=132 dpkg" |
| 07:03.52 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, umount /mnt/athlon; strace -p pid even |
| 07:04.06 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: add a '-f' to attempt a force unmount. :) |
| 07:04.23 | sigjuice | peterS: you are right. It is not a big problem. |
| 07:04.36 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, its unmounted |
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| 07:05.08 | peterS | sigjuice: seriously, though, when you find yourself typing something a lot, time for an alias |
| 07:05.24 | streuner | tchino: apt-get install localconf |
| 07:05.30 | bob2 | difeta: let the init scripts start it |
| 07:05.37 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: it actually unmounted successfully? |
| 07:05.44 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, yep |
| 07:05.50 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: is 'xmms' still stuck in 'D'? |
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| 07:06.03 | difeta | bob2, there is no init script for it. How can i make one? |
| 07:06.11 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, yes |
| 07:06.23 | sigjuice | peterS: I was just wondering why dpkg didn't figure out how wide the terminal is. |
| 07:06.30 | peterS | sigjuice: that's a good question |
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| 07:06.42 | peterS | sigjuice: you're saying your term *is* already 132 columns wide ... and it doesn't notice? |
| 07:06.46 | FraDe | Dimitry, helo |
| 07:06.48 | bob2 | difeta: oh, wait, udev starts it |
| 07:06.56 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: hm, odd. could you check in '/proc/<pid>/fd' to see what open files 'xmms' has? |
| 07:06.59 | tchino | streuner: localeconf is already the newest version |
| 07:07.25 | difeta | bob2, ahhh |
| 07:07.36 | difeta | bob2, 2.6 kernel or later, no prob. |
| 07:07.42 | Dimitry | FraDe: hi |
| 07:07.46 | Dimitry | hi all |
| 07:07.49 | sigjuice | peterS: actually it is 142. |
| 07:07.53 | sigjuice | I just measured it |
| 07:07.55 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, got into its proc directory, now what? |
| 07:08.01 | peterS | sigjuice: heh, odd. does 'resize' figure this out? |
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| 07:08.14 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: what files does it have open? |
| 07:08.25 | bob2 | difeta: yeah |
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| 07:09.14 | sigjuice | peterS: looks like it. I did echo $COLUMNS after resizing konsole a bunch of times |
| 07:09.31 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: aside from /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer, is there anything 'xmms' might be stuck reading from (or writing to)? |
| 07:09.34 | peterS | sigjuice: what shell do you use? |
| 07:09.47 | sigjuice | peterS: bash |
| 07:09.56 | peterS | sigjuice: bash on linux has always respected the SIGWINCH it gets on window resize, and adjusts its worldview accordingly |
| 07:10.02 | peterS | sigjuice: for me, I mean |
| 07:10.07 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, how do I find that out? lsof? |
| 07:10.07 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, not that I am sure of |
| 07:10.18 | peterS | sigjuice: maybe konsole neglects to send SIGWINCH to its child process on window resize? if so, file a bug |
| 07:10.32 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: ls -lR /proc/<pid>/fd |
| 07:10.40 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: the symlinks in that directory point to the process's open files. |
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| 07:11.21 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, /dev/tty2 |
| 07:11.28 | Led_Zeppelin | socket:[620501] |
| 07:11.35 | Led_Zeppelin | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.48 | tchino | streuner: look at #flood, there is the error-message about tetex-base |
| 07:12.32 | Led_Zeppelin | athlonxp:/# fuser /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 07:12.32 | Led_Zeppelin | /dev/snd/controlC0: 28169 |
| 07:12.39 | sigjuice | peterS: looks like COLUMNS always reflects the terminal width, but bash doesn't export it each time it changes. |
| 07:12.57 | peterS | sigjuice: how can it *not* export it? I thought it was exported all the time |
| 07:13.09 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: hmm . |
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| 07:13.26 | florian | hi |
| 07:13.38 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: i can't think of why it'd be hung reading from or writing to on any of those |
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| 07:14.00 | sigjuice | peterS: echo $COLUMNS says 132. dpkg -l is truncated. |
| 07:14.04 | florian | how can i make my soundsystem more stable ? using alsa |
| 07:14.11 | Ritalin | you guys like vixie-cron? |
| 07:14.16 | peterS | sigjuice: what does this say? sh -c 'echo $COLUMNS' |
| 07:14.18 | Ritalin | or is their a better one? |
| 07:14.22 | Dimitry | can anybody say me, why mc kill the screen (virtual console, Xserver not run), when it show its panels... (ie when I did C-o screen is clear) how I can fix this ??? |
| 07:14.46 | sigjuice | peterS: then I tried export COLUMNS and dpkg -l again. This time the output wasn't truncated. |
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| 07:14.56 | Joris | Dimitry: you could try "reset" |
| 07:14.58 | masticator | hey |
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| 07:15.13 | masticator | is there something going on with the kernel.org debian archive tonight? |
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| 07:15.16 | pif | Fetched 34.9MB in 56s (614kB/s) |
| 07:15.21 | sigjuice | peterS: sh -c 'echo $COLUMNS' outputs a blank line |
| 07:15.24 | masticator | like, are they releasing sarge or somethign? |
| 07:15.31 | streuner | tchino: I TOLD YOU, to listen to bob2 (BTS) - why in hell you don't read BTS |
| 07:15.32 | peterS | sigjuice: huh. I thought bash always exported COLUMNS and LINES. guess not. |
| 07:15.34 | streuner | ? |
| 07:15.35 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: could you try attaching gdb to it to see what it's doing? 'gdb -p <pid>', then type 'bt' to get a backtrace. |
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| 07:16.10 | streuner | tchino: i told you to 'apt-get install localeconf' you don't listen |
| 07:16.21 | bob2 | masticator: no |
| 07:16.24 | tchino | streuner: i don't find something about |
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| 07:16.32 | streuner | tchino: look harder |
| 07:16.40 | tchino | streuner: and I told you, that it is installed |
| 07:16.41 | masticator | bob: ok, because I am getting some weird stuff going on with apt\ |
| 07:16.48 | streuner | tchino: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=270407 |
| 07:16.53 | bob2 | masticator: ok. |
| 07:17.12 | masticator | like, its telling me packages are missing and stuff |
| 07:17.18 | tchino | streuner: localeconf is already the newest version |
| 07:17.34 | masticator | when I try apt-get install kde I get a weird message about there being a refernce to it but its not there |
| 07:17.42 | streuner | tchino: and it didn't fix the locale settings? |
| 07:18.00 | masticator | maybe I should try the official mirror |
| 07:19.17 | Dimitry | Joris: I dont think this help me --- look like wrong premision somewere (but were ???) because root dont have this problem... only other users... |
| 07:19.22 | bob2 | masticator: are you using ubuntu? |
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| 07:20.11 | masticator | no |
| 07:20.14 | masticator | progeny |
| 07:20.19 | masticator | the current developer release |
| 07:20.21 | bob2 | right |
| 07:20.25 | bob2 | so #progeny or whatever |
| 07:20.51 | wiat | how restore config of any program ? |
| 07:20.51 | masticator | yeah, but like its supposed to be totally sarge compatible |
| 07:20.57 | masticator | only difference is the installer |
| 07:20.58 | bob2 | masticator: apparently not, tho |
| 07:21.10 | masticator | yeah well I am just figuring that out now! |
| 07:21.11 | bob2 | wiat: there's no general answer. what in particular have you broken? |
| 07:21.39 | masticator | nothing, havent installed any packages, just added an apt source |
| 07:21.42 | ngawang | help! I have installed Debian PPC on my white iBook dual USB from 2003. The installlation whent ok but when i try to reboot the x server wont start. |
| 07:21.42 | ngawang | The screen starts to turnt to black/text/black/text after a while it says: I cannot start the X server, the config isnt set up correctly, do you want to wiev the output? >>Yes >> This is a pre-release etc...Default Lotout and screen, Generic monitor, videocard, keyboard.....Directory /usr/lib/x11/fonts/cyrillic does not exist .......Unnown chipset Chips:Driver ct65520,ct65525, ct65554, ct65555 etc.. no device detected, error no screen found>> |
| 07:21.42 | ngawang | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.44 | ngawang | What to do? In the installation I set the videocard to "chip" becase i didnt knew what to take. This is what is says in systeminformation: |
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| 07:21.46 | wiat | i need config by default of postfix :s |
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| 07:22.17 | ngawang | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.19 | ngawang | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.21 | ngawang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:22.21 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@h245n2fls31o281.telia.com] by dondelelcaro |
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| 07:22.25 | helix | wow, so we've had ubuntu, knoppix, and progeny within the past few hours |
| 07:22.33 | dondelelcaro | ngawang: tell me when you've stopped pasting random stuff |
| 07:22.51 | masticator | helix: what exactly does that mean |
| 07:22.52 | bob2 | wiat: ? |
| 07:22.57 | masticator | is debian.org doing something? |
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| 07:23.02 | streuner | helix: the next one who ask here for help and don't use debian, i shoot him ;-) |
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| 07:23.11 | bob2 | masticator: she's commenting on the number of people asking for help with non-Debian OS's in #debian. |
| 07:23.12 | nenn | anyone use vncserver here? |
| 07:23.13 | sigjuice | why do I have the following package on my sarge system? linux-kernel-headers 2.5.999-test7-bk-16 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 07:23.22 | helix | streuner: seriously |
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| 07:23.26 | masticator | ok, well progeny -IS- debian |
| 07:23.26 | bob2 | sigjuice: read the package description |
| 07:23.32 | bob2 | masticator: except it's not |
| 07:23.36 | masticator | I didnt have these issues with the previous beta release |
| 07:23.45 | masticator | dude it uses the debian logo an everything |
| 07:23.49 | masticator | its debian |
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| 07:23.54 | bob2 | wow |
| 07:23.56 | bob2 | but it doesn't work |
| 07:23.56 | wiat | as I recover the configuration of postfix |
| 07:24.38 | masticator | as far as I can tell this box should behave exactly the same as if I had used Debain Installer release candidate |
| 07:24.41 | sigjuice | bob2: the package descriptions looks fine. I don't understand the version 2.5.999-test7-bk-16. |
| 07:24.52 | dondelelcaro | (and no, ngawang hasn't stopped pasting random garbage) |
| 07:24.54 | bob2 | sigjuice: then ignore it |
| 07:25.03 | peterS | masticator: funny thing how it doesn't, eh? |
| 07:25.04 | bob2 | sigjuice: it's just some stuff taken from a random recent-ish kernel version |
| 07:25.11 | bob2 | sigjuice: it has nothing to do with your running kernel |
| 07:25.11 | peterS | masticator: might make you wonder whether it really *is* "the same as debian" |
| 07:25.19 | masticator | peter: I'll be sure to scream at Ian on mondayt |
| 07:25.40 | peterS | masticator: you do that. we will be waiting breathlessly for your report on the matter |
| 07:25.46 | masticator | lol |
| 07:25.51 | mwilson | nenn: Are you taking a survey? |
| 07:26.05 | nenn | mwilson not really |
| 07:26.20 | bob2 | wiat: I don't think we quite understand your question... |
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| 07:26.42 | masticator | peter: I am not trying to bust anyones chops. I write for Linux Magazine, I am simply trying to figure out why its not behaving the way it is supposed to, thats all |
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| 07:26.47 | mwilson | nenn: Then...? |
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| 07:27.24 | mwilson | Ewww, Linux Mag. |
| 07:27.27 | funmaster | hi @ all |
| 07:27.30 | wiat | as I recover the configuration of postfix |
| 07:27.39 | nenn | mwilson: then is there a way to get your current X session as the vnc Xsession? |
| 07:27.57 | mwilson | nenn: As documented, no, there is not. |
| 07:28.04 | masticator | mwilson: yeah we don't attract the "I am a debian guy and I havent showered in months and proud of it crowd" |
| 07:28.08 | masticator | the feeling is mutual |
| 07:28.09 | masticator | lol |
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| 07:28.25 | nenn | mwilson: god damn it. |
| 07:28.28 | bob2 | masticator: mwilson enough. |
| 07:28.29 | dondelelcaro | shower? what's a shower? |
| 07:28.32 | nenn | there has to be a way |
| 07:28.40 | bob2 | there doesn't have to be a way. |
| 07:28.40 | masticator | bob: oh come on, I can take it |
| 07:28.43 | mwilson | masticator: I wouldn't know... I'm not a member of that crowd either. Is there some reason for the personal attack? |
| 07:28.48 | masticator | hahaha |
| 07:28.53 | bob2 | wiat: what's your native language? |
| 07:29.06 | masticator | "Linux Mag.. eeew" had something to do with it |
| 07:29.27 | mwilson | masticator: I made a comment about your employer. There's nothing to worry about... all the Linux magazines are... well, you figure it out. |
| 07:29.30 | pw | Welcome, sportsfans, to the #debian Handbag Finals. |
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| 07:30.01 | nailbiter | nenn: not with vncserver. :) 'krfb' or 'vino' might work, though .. |
| 07:30.05 | mwilson | nenn: Not with vncserver, it isn't. There are supposedly several other server-type products that will do what you want. |
| 07:30.16 | indigoid | good evening |
| 07:30.27 | dondelelcaro | pw: and look! mwilsion is excuting a perfectly time trust that jams the handbag up an unsuspecting commentator's ass. |
| 07:30.28 | indigoid | don' |
| 07:30.29 | indigoid | er |
| 07:30.39 | masticator | mwilson: If it wasnt for the mainstream linux publications nobody would give a crap about Debian that wasn't intimately familiar with the linux community |
| 07:30.42 | sigjuice | does it make sense to remove the packages listed by deborphan? |
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| 07:30.45 | streuner | inidgold: its morning here in germany... ;-) |
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| 07:30.51 | dondelelcaro | sigjuice: if you don't need them, yes. |
| 07:30.56 | indigoid | don't suppose anyone has a prepackaged linux-mips-sgi toolchain hosted on i386? |
| 07:31.08 | streuner | sigjuice: heh |
| 07:31.08 | masticator | I just finished a rather lengthy article about the Debian Installer. Hopefully, some people who would be otherwise inclined to use Redhat or something else will read it. |
| 07:31.15 | indigoid | i tried to compile one, but my cpu died halfway through building gcc |
| 07:31.15 | dondelelcaro | sigjuice: but besides the space it takes, it won't usually cause you any harm... kind of like a benign tumor |
| 07:31.19 | mwilson | masticator: Which doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I'm not an advocate... I think most advocates should be shot. |
| 07:31.27 | helix | masticator: then when they need help they'll join #debian and encounter mwilson ;) |
| 07:31.43 | masticator | helix: I'll make sure I add that to my next column |
| 07:31.49 | masticator | "beware of the natives" |
| 07:31.50 | mwilson | masticator: Why shouldn't they use RedHat or something else if it does what they want it to do? |
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| 07:32.05 | helix | masticator: hey, no way, most of us shower. just tell them not to use knoppix. :) |
| 07:32.08 | masticator | well, there are actually technical reasons for using Debian |
| 07:32.14 | indigoid | or, indeed, Windows. |
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| 07:32.21 | dondelelcaro | helix: tell me... what is this shower thing of which you speak? |
| 07:32.31 | pw | And some of us take cold showers, don't we, helix? |
| 07:32.36 | helix | pw: DIE |
| 07:32.43 | peterS | pw: you do too? |
| 07:32.46 | mwilson | indigoid: Indeed... computers are about doing a job, not some sort of religious nirvana. |
| 07:32.50 | masticator | for starters, anyone wanting to build a cluster of say, Itanium or PowerPC machines, would be best inclined to use Debian. |
| 07:32.53 | helix | dondelelcaro: it's like all the sand at burningman. except water. :) |
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| 07:32.56 | bob2 | indigoid: look at the toolchain-source package |
| 07:33.06 | helix | pw: you taunt me so. :/ |
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| 07:33.15 | dondelelcaro | helix: ahh... water blasting from the sides, the top, and the bottom... how invigorating... |
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| 07:33.24 | pw | dondelelcaro: hot water, of course. |
| 07:33.32 | peterS | pw: thought you said you took cold showers? |
| 07:33.34 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah. I don't know if your anti-sand gear would work (except the glasses) |
| 07:33.36 | peterS | am I the only one, then? |
| 07:33.43 | dondelelcaro | pw: well, yes... considering that the sand is pretty dang hot... |
| 07:33.43 | helix | peterS: he's making fun of me and my water "heater" |
| 07:33.51 | peterS | helix: ahh |
| 07:33.52 | indigoid | bob2: yeh... i don't want to try compiling again though |
| 07:33.52 | streuner | helix: i forgot, its saturday... |
| 07:34.00 | indigoid | the cpu i'm using now isn't mine |
| 07:34.02 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. yeah, a dust mask would be sadly out of place... |
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| 07:34.12 | dondelelcaro | isn't it sunday in some places already? |
| 07:34.16 | peterS | dondelelcaro: no |
| 07:34.19 | streuner | no |
| 07:34.25 | streuner | even not in .au |
| 07:34.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: in a few hours |
| 07:34.35 | indigoid | though i guess that sorta makes it useless |
| 07:34.41 | dondelelcaro | oh right... midnight hasn't reached the date line yet |
| 07:34.57 | nailbiter | dondelelcaro: it'll be Sunday here in about 6.5 hours. :) |
| 07:35.00 | masticator | okay now progeny is updating from apt correctly |
| 07:35.04 | masticator | that was weird |
| 07:35.10 | bob2 | indigoid: why? |
| 07:35.10 | masticator | had to blow the apt cache. |
| 07:35.14 | dondelelcaro | well, it's the jewish sunday in some places now... |
| 07:35.14 | peterS | dondelelcaro: 2 1/2 hours from now, or thereabouts, the first pacific islands will experience another Sunday |
| 07:35.25 | peterS | well, true |
| 07:35.27 | masticator | l'shanah tovah, DebJews. |
| 07:35.39 | brc_ | I had problems with the broken GCC 3.3 a few weeks ago |
| 07:35.45 | peterS | it's kind of cheating to start your day at dusk, though |
| 07:35.48 | masticator | I saw a picture of Tux in a hassidic getup |
| 07:35.52 | masticator | that was kinda weird |
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| 07:35.55 | cthomas | sweet |
| 07:36.00 | brc_ | iirc I worked around it and got it working ago by force installing everything in a apt tmp directory |
| 07:36.34 | brc_ | but now it's complaining when I try to upgrade gcc-3.3-base |
| 07:36.43 | dondelelcaro | brc_: paste the errors into #flood |
| 07:37.14 | masticator | so if this progeny thing behaves like it is supposed to, I would say it is pretty cool |
| 07:37.22 | masticator | I reserve my judgement for a week or so |
| 07:37.28 | brc_ | okay |
| 07:37.31 | dondelelcaro | brc_: welcome to --force-overwrite. I'd suggest filing a bug if you knew that it actually was one, and not some weird packaging issue |
| 07:37.44 | brc_ | well I really have no idea what happened |
| 07:37.53 | indigoid | hrm |
| 07:37.56 | dondelelcaro | brc_: eg, dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/gcc-baseyadayada.deb |
| 07:37.59 | indigoid | toolchain-source is too big for my /usr |
| 07:38.10 | brc_ | I believe I used some magical combination of ...yeah basically the above when gcc broke to get things working agian |
| 07:38.13 | dondelelcaro | indigoid: uh, get a bigger /usr, or install the source elsewhere... |
| 07:38.24 | brc_ | so I've gotta do it again?..*grumblegrumble* |
| 07:38.35 | dondelelcaro | brc_: no, you just need to apply that one comand to gcc-base. |
| 07:38.48 | dondelelcaro | s/to/to the/ s/base./base .deb. |
| 07:38.59 | bob2 | masticator: is ubuntu on your list? |
| 07:39.00 | brc_ | k...anyidea if I should expect it to work after that? |
| 07:39.04 | indigoid | dondelelcaro: prepending "uh, " to your comments does not make them more credible |
| 07:39.08 | brc_ | (i.e. with future apt-get upgrades |
| 07:39.14 | masticator | I will probably look at it at some point |
| 07:39.20 | indigoid | do you think i had not contemplated workarounds? |
| 07:39.21 | masticator | but Progeny 2.0 is going to be free |
| 07:39.49 | dondelelcaro | indigoid: well, then perhaps explain your problem more completely, since running out of space on /usr can be solved in a myriad of different ways. |
| 07:40.03 | masticator | frankly I have been waiting for a debian I can actually give to my family members |
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| 07:40.14 | masticator | right now I have them all running Linspire |
| 07:40.19 | dondelelcaro | brc_: well, that depends if there are other problems lurking. Assuming it works now, it should continue. |
| 07:40.25 | froxe | hello, do you know if they make external usb cases of a notebooks internal dvd/cd-rw drive? |
| 07:40.30 | mwilson | Why would you force Linux on your family? |
| 07:40.34 | indigoid | i would choose osx for family members |
| 07:40.37 | masticator | force? |
| 07:40.42 | masticator | dude |
| 07:40.44 | dondelelcaro | froxe: I've never seen one, but I don't see why you couldn't make one. |
| 07:40.46 | brc_ | okay...just asking because this's the exact same thing I had to do before when the gcc package was broken |
| 07:40.46 | mwilson | I doubt they did it by choice. |
| 07:40.54 | brc_ | masticator, better way? |
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| 07:41.01 | naim | if i just copy a kernel off a live cd onto an already installed linux and fix grub, should i do anything else for that to work ? |
| 07:41.09 | masticator | when you have only x number of hours per month you can spend on doing consulting for your family |
| 07:41.13 | bob2 | naim: you'll need it's modules too. |
| 07:41.15 | masticator | and the alternative is |
| 07:41.23 | froxe | i had a broken hp pavilion ze5170 and i decided to take it apart into pieces |
| 07:41.30 | masticator | spending HOURS upon hours of dealing with windows spyware and viruses |
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| 07:41.42 | masticator | and having to revisit those PCs constantly to make sure they dont deteriorate |
| 07:41.51 | streuner | naim: wih you don't use a official kernel-image? |
| 07:41.53 | naim | bob2, ill copy all of /boot |
| 07:42.13 | masticator | giving them linspire that they can use and XP for them to boot into occassionally is simply just a better alternative |
| 07:42.13 | mwilson | That's easily solved... my family's PC's are their problem. |
| 07:42.22 | mwilson | Not mine. |
| 07:42.27 | bob2 | naim: the modules are in /lib/modules/ |
| 07:42.27 | dondelelcaro | froxe: yeah, usually the portable cdrom drives are all in one packages, and specifically made for that purpose... I've personally never seen a standard for laptop cdroms. |
| 07:42.28 | streuner | naim: there is NO reason, to use another kernel |
| 07:42.28 | difeta | is it possible to install x.org next to xfree86? |
| 07:42.35 | bob2 | difeta: yes |
| 07:42.49 | masticator | mwilson: yeah, well, in my family, we trade services |
| 07:42.53 | cartman | difeta: use a prefix like /opt/Xorg |
| 07:42.53 | difeta | bob2, could you give be a guide to follow so that i do it right? |
| 07:42.57 | mwilson | difeta: No real reason to, however. |
| 07:42.58 | masticator | my father in law is my stockbroker |
| 07:43.03 | bob2 | difeta: someone posted one on debian-user last week |
| 07:43.03 | indigoid | hrm while i'm talking about mips |
| 07:43.04 | masticator | and my brother in law is my doctor |
| 07:43.07 | difeta | cartman, i plan to |
| 07:43.15 | difeta | mwilson, why's that? |
| 07:43.15 | indigoid | has anyone else tried to get the indycam working properly on an sgi indy, under debian? |
| 07:43.23 | helix | masticator: sounds like a good deal :) |
| 07:43.33 | naim | strerror, installed using tthe hilux installer, i only have a pppoe connection here, cant get it connect to the internet |
| 07:43.34 | bob2 | difeta: http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 |
| 07:43.37 | indigoid | i now know where the problems lie... it is not entirely clear to me how they should be fixed though |
| 07:43.42 | masticator | there is nothing wrong with linspire if all they need to do is browse the web and do basic office type work |
| 07:43.50 | cartman | difeta: http://janeway.no-ip.org/~cartman/xorg-cvs-howto.txt may help |
| 07:44.00 | masticator | debian is not quite there yet |
| 07:44.00 | cahoot | masticator: I'd say that sounds like a risky setup ;) |
| 07:44.48 | froxe | dondelelcaro: thanks, ill keep looking into it |
| 07:44.50 | dondelelcaro | indigoid: I'd try asking on the debian-mips mailing list... |
| 07:45.12 | masticator | you would be surprised how many people I have convinced to convert to linux lately due to WinXP blowing up either by SP2 automatic update or by huge spyware compromises |
| 07:45.16 | mwilson | Doing business with family members... that's what's risky. |
| 07:45.39 | indigoid | agreed, mwilson |
| 07:45.48 | streuner | cartman: find, can you tell me, why someone need x.org now? I have a ATI 128 Rage, the driver are the same xfree86 vs. x.org... |
| 07:45.50 | masticator | mwilson: yeah, well, we Jews like a good bargain |
| 07:45.57 | streuner | s/find/fine/ |
| 07:46.19 | cartman | streuner: 2d performance is better now they are mmx optimized in some places |
| 07:46.34 | cartman | streuner: also real transulency + shadows are eyecandy |
| 07:46.46 | gomer | re |
| 07:46.50 | indigoid | eyecandy, bleh |
| 07:46.51 | cartman | but thats what I heard from Xorg people ( mmx part ) |
| 07:47.04 | cartman | indigoid: they are optional |
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| 07:47.16 | opqdonut | cartman: so can i have atransparent emacs? |
| 07:47.27 | dondelelcaro | yick... |
| 07:47.30 | helix | of course |
| 07:47.34 | cartman | opqdonut: you can have any transparent windows |
| 07:47.35 | streuner | cartman: are you DD? |
| 07:47.36 | indigoid | you wouldn't believe how fast and USABLE fvwm2 + xterm is on my pc |
| 07:47.43 | cartman | streuner: no |
| 07:47.45 | streuner | cartman: a* |
| 07:47.49 | indigoid | the difference between that setup and even a lightweight desktop like xfce is huge |
| 07:47.52 | opqdonut | indigoid: i prefer fluxbox + aterm |
| 07:47.55 | rich_ | fvwm is great |
| 07:48.00 | SNIa | can you play a DVD image through the loopback? in xine? or mplayer? I've tried before & had no luck. |
| 07:48.02 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I can't imagine it either |
| 07:48.13 | opqdonut | dondelelcaro: i do |
| 07:48.17 | streuner | cartman: you are working at the xfree86.org? |
| 07:48.22 | helix | transparency would be nice here, so I could see.. something besides gray :) |
| 07:48.22 | peterS | dondelelcaro: the moment you get any complexity in your background, there's no way transparency wouldn't just kill your ability to see what you're doing |
| 07:48.23 | Paavo_ | dondelelcaro: a transparent konsole is nice imho |
| 07:48.27 | SNIa | the menu's and what not as if it where loading from the dvdrom |
| 07:48.29 | dondelelcaro | opqdonut: for more than a few hours a day? ouchie. |
| 07:48.30 | cartman | SNIa: mplayer dvd:/1 -loop 0 |
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| 07:48.47 | helix | dondelelcaro: simple backgrounds (or a certain amount of tinting) are obviously quite necessary |
| 07:48.47 | cartman | streuner: no just heard from people who work for Xorg like keith packard |
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| 07:48.56 | indigoid | nobody actually uses transparency in real workstations |
| 07:48.59 | afra | is there something wrong with thunderbird in unstable? |
| 07:49.06 | dondelelcaro | I mean, they look cool in screenshots, but I've never been able to work with them for more than a few minutes |
| 07:49.09 | indigoid | they just temporarily enable it in a continual struggle of screenshot poserdom |
| 07:49.11 | Paavo_ | I'm using a heavily tinted background though. |
| 07:49.12 | peterS | indigoid: transparency is *wonderful* for exactly two uses |
| 07:49.14 | rich_ | dondelelcaro I use transparency. So I can watch cspan or some other video while your text scrolls on it. Three hours every morning for washington journal |
| 07:49.14 | SNIa | thx cartman, i'll try that |
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| 07:49.19 | peterS | indigoid: (1) screenshots, (2) demos |
| 07:49.19 | cartman | afra: someone said it didnt show any messages |
| 07:49.26 | Greves | ok theres 723 people here, i KNOW some of you use gdesklets |
| 07:49.32 | dondelelcaro | rich_: that's what more monitors are for! ;-) |
| 07:49.43 | afra | cartman, that's right..okay, as long as it wasn't my config or something |
| 07:49.45 | Greves | can anyone here help me ? |
| 07:49.46 | rich_ | plus videos throughout the day |
| 07:49.46 | indigoid | as for gnome/kde |
| 07:49.48 | opqdonut | dondelelcaro: screenshot http://koti.mbnet.fi/opqdonut/fluxdesktop2.png <--- that's what i use all the time |
| 07:49.50 | indigoid | what the fuck happened to Xresources? |
| 07:49.51 | indigoid | grrr |
| 07:49.55 | streuner | Grevel: /msg dpkg ask |
| 07:49.59 | helix | poor indigoid |
| 07:50.02 | peterS | indigoid: 1993 called, they want it back |
| 07:50.10 | indigoid | they have very real advantages |
| 07:50.20 | indigoid | over this modern per-host config shit |
| 07:50.25 | helix | opqdonut: what the hell is that thing in the top right corner? |
| 07:50.37 | opqdonut | helix: torsmo |
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| 07:50.39 | BlackJudas | What's the switch for mv to create non-existent directories? the manpage .. uhh isn't helpful. |
| 07:50.49 | dondelelcaro | opqdonut: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/ss_1074921190.png [and rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/ss/ |
| 07:51.14 | helix | my eyes. |
| 07:51.22 | helix | why do I keep looking at dondelelcaro's screenshots? |
| 07:51.23 | streuner | helix: gdesklets |
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| 07:51.35 | peterS | helix: now you know what I used to feel like looking at yours |
| 07:51.37 | helix | streuner: is that what they are? |
| 07:51.40 | helix | peterS: no way |
| 07:51.43 | Greves | haha ok streuner, in that case, which version of gdesklets should i use, .3 or .2.6.2. which is more compatible with the gdesklet displays available? (namely starterbar and cornerxmms) |
| 07:51.58 | dondelelcaro | helix: what, the fonts are too big? ;-) |
| 07:52.01 | streuner | Greves: no idea |
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| 07:52.06 | bob2 | anyone happen to know if quakeforge is network-compatible with quake? |
| 07:52.17 | helix | http://cytosine.org/~helix/pastel.png <-easy on the eyes |
| 07:52.26 | helix | dondelelcaro: fonts too big, colors too bright, etc. |
| 07:52.48 | dondelelcaro | helix: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/ss/ss_2004716_121246.png may be more in your style... |
| 07:52.49 | helix | (or dark :)) |
| 07:52.51 | dondelelcaro | dunno |
| 07:52.51 | opqdonut | dondelelcaro: lotsa stuff, how can you work with that? |
| 07:52.54 | sum_1 | how do i go about synching system time with an ntp server? |
| 07:53.16 | indigoid | fonts too big? |
| 07:53.19 | indigoid | you don't value your eyes? |
| 07:53.22 | peterS | sum_1: install ntpdate |
| 07:53.23 | cyberyo | io |
| 07:53.24 | SNIa | helix using screen? |
| 07:53.28 | bob2 | helix: contrast is bad, right? |
| 07:53.32 | sum_1 | thanks peterS |
| 07:53.33 | helix | indigoid: big fonts *hurt* my eyes |
| 07:53.37 | helix | SNIa: yeah.. |
| 07:53.39 | rich_ | sum_1http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/clock2b.html |
| 07:53.41 | indigoid | you lie |
| 07:53.42 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's not so bad :) |
| 07:53.46 | opqdonut | helix: ion2? |
| 07:53.53 | helix | ion3 |
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| 07:53.56 | dondelelcaro | opqdonut: most of that stuff sits on separate workspaces, actually... it's just impossible to show it in a single screeshot |
| 07:53.59 | helix | bob2: shut up :/ |
| 07:54.04 | bob2 | helix: :) |
| 07:54.09 | helix | it just gives me a headache (along with huge fonts) |
| 07:54.15 | Greves | anyone? gdesklets? |
| 07:54.30 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah, but now imagine those fonts on a huge monitor at 1600x1200... they're suddenly not so large... |
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| 07:54.39 | SNIa | helix was kicking myself today for not learning screen earlier... |
| 07:54.43 | helix | dondelelcaro: well, my "small" fonts are on 1280 |
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| 07:54.48 | dondelelcaro | pw: perl scares you? |
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| 07:55.02 | pw | dondelelcaro: no, your complete lack of colour sense scares me :) |
| 07:55.03 | opqdonut | dondelelcaro: well, i've got 4 workspaces that look a bit like the on that's screenshotted. i do open extra aterm from time to time, though... |
| 07:55.26 | dondelelcaro | pw: I actually haven't done anything to the colors... that's just a black background and whatever cperl thinks is a good default |
| 07:55.42 | dondelelcaro | pw: contrast is all that maters there.. could care less if they go well |
| 07:55.44 | helix | cperl-mode doesn't look anything like that for me |
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| 07:55.59 | peterS | helix: maybe because you are somewhat less insane than dondelelcaro |
| 07:56.02 | pw | helix: that's because dondelelcaro is really using Gentoo's l33ter cperl mode |
| 07:56.06 | helix | heh |
| 07:56.22 | afra | cartman, is there anywhere i can read up on this thunderbird problem? |
| 07:56.22 | opqdonut | helix: pretty nice.. is that colorful prompt xterm and PS1 trickery? |
| 07:56.25 | helix | maybe I just need to load 50 more options in my emacs file |
| 07:56.50 | helix | opqdonut: it's urxvt and underline-inherit-cursor-color brokenness :) |
| 07:56.52 | dondelelcaro | actually, I may be using a more recent cperl mode than the one that is in Debian... |
| 07:56.56 | helix | opqdonut: but I like it so I don't file bugs. |
| 07:57.12 | opqdonut | helix: :) |
| 07:57.31 | opqdonut | helix: i've just got plain old opqdonut@jam:~$ |
| 07:57.37 | helix | ah |
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| 07:58.07 | indigoid | i just have $ or # |
| 07:58.17 | pw | A friend of mine at work has a 250K .emacs. |
| 07:58.19 | indigoid | as i am intelligent enough to remember my own username |
| 07:58.20 | opqdonut | helix: every other screenshot i see has something like `->[~]**_ |
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| 07:58.37 | helix | pw: yikes. |
| 07:58.51 | helix | opqdonut: yeah.. |
| 07:58.57 | peterS | opqdonut: wtf is the point of *that*? |
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| 07:59.02 | opqdonut | indigoid: i only use it because i haven't bothered to change it, but the current dir is handy |
| 07:59.16 | pw | helix: I'm sure it practically writes his code for him |
| 07:59.21 | brooman | would anyone happen to know how to make Eterm's fonts larger by default? |
| 07:59.30 | helix | I found a neat thing today though.. |
| 07:59.31 | opqdonut | peterS: dunno, i guess it's 1337, oh, and i didn't include th colors and flashing parts :) |
| 07:59.49 | helix | http://www.anc.ed.ac.uk/~stephen/emacs/ell.html |
| 07:59.57 | opqdonut | brooman: xresources or eterm -fn font |
| 07:59.59 | helix | which I guess most emacs users know about |
| 08:00.27 | bob2 | not me. |
| 08:00.38 | brooman | opqdonut: will either of those make a permanent change so I don't have to redo it for every instance? |
| 08:01.14 | opqdonut | brooman: put the xresources line into your ~/.Xresources see man eterm for the exact resource |
| 08:01.33 | helix | bob2: maybe just xemacs then ;) |
| 08:01.36 | brooman | opqdonut: ok |
| 08:01.43 | opqdonut | brooman: 'XTerm*font: font' will do the same for all terminal emulators installed |
| 08:02.08 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:02.09 | opqdonut | brooman: (as every term gets resources first as XTerm) |
| 08:02.24 | helix | artist.el --- draw ascii graphics with your mouse |
| 08:02.28 | brooman | opqdonut: interesting..thanks |
| 08:02.46 | peterS | helix: yawn. I was using picture-mode in 1994 (: |
| 08:03.01 | helix | yeah, and I wasn't a loser on computers in 1994 |
| 08:03.03 | peterS | not that I've used it since, mind |
| 08:03.04 | bob2 | helix: it's in emacs-goodies or so |
| 08:03.08 | helix | bob2: ah |
| 08:03.10 | opqdonut | brooman: np. remember you have to 'xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources' to make the changes effective without restarting X |
| 08:03.13 | pw | peterS: Remember, this stuff is all new and exciting to helix, because she was still in nappies in 1994. |
| 08:03.20 | peterS | pw: oh, true |
| 08:03.20 | helix | yeah, really |
| 08:03.43 | peterS | pw: is this like Windows XP users who get all excited about remote desktop? |
| 08:03.51 | pw | Yes :) |
| 08:03.52 | helix | FOAD |
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| 08:04.03 | pw | !britsmite helix |
| 08:04.09 | indigoid | oops |
| 08:04.13 | peterS | what's british about roast beef? |
| 08:04.20 | helix | yeah, and shove it down pw's throat, dpkg |
| 08:04.44 | indigoid | it's cool how the Indy has an ATX-like power button, but in 1994 |
| 08:04.45 | pw | peterS: Well, the French derogatively refer to us as "Rosbifs" |
| 08:04.53 | indigoid | hit the button and it shuts down gracefully |
| 08:04.55 | helix | indigoid: we were just talking about 1994 |
| 08:04.56 | peterS | pw: ah, that I did not know |
| 08:05.10 | pw | We refer to them as "Losers at cricket". |
| 08:05.15 | peterS | pw: ha |
| 08:05.19 | peterS | pw: I thought that was India |
| 08:05.29 | indigoid | it's the english that really suck at cricket |
| 08:05.30 | helix | quitter |
| 08:05.38 | cartman | afra: sorry no idea |
| 08:05.49 | peterS | indigoid: if so, that's kind of funny, given that they kind of invented it |
| 08:06.10 | indigoid | australia has thrashed them since 1989 |
| 08:06.38 | indigoid | they've never even looked like winning more than one match per test series |
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| 08:06.45 | cahoot | peterS: AFAIK scots don't dominate golf |
| 08:06.47 | helix | !wb pw |
| 08:06.47 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! pw has returned! |
| 08:06.54 | peterS | cahoot: well, true |
| 08:07.05 | pw | Bah. |
| 08:07.10 | peterS | cahoot: and AT&T hardly dominates the Unix scene |
| 08:07.12 | dondelelcaro | does anyone dominate golf? |
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| 08:07.26 | cahoot | dondelelcaro: us? |
| 08:07.30 | pw | I went for something else and got x-chat instead :| |
| 08:07.35 | helix | heh. |
| 08:07.39 | dondelelcaro | cahoot: but they've lost the rider cup a few times |
| 08:07.42 | peterS | pw: I did wonder why you disappeared so abruptly |
| 08:07.43 | helix | that's what you get for that silly GUI of yours |
| 08:07.55 | pw | This is a very silly GUI |
| 08:07.57 | cahoot | dondelelcaro: at least players from us - in general |
| 08:07.59 | pw | it's Windows XP :) |
| 08:08.04 | peterS | helix: at least he's using xchat on openvms. oh wait, he probably isn't |
| 08:08.08 | dondelelcaro | pw: that's why you run irssi in screen. bleargh! |
| 08:08.12 | helix | haha |
| 08:08.20 | pw | me and irssi don't get on |
| 08:08.23 | dondelelcaro | !cast out windows |
| 08:08.24 | pw | it could be worse |
| 08:08.30 | pw | I could be using bitchx |
| 08:08.39 | peterS | pw: indeed |
| 08:08.54 | indigoid | just don't have close-window buttons at all |
| 08:08.59 | indigoid | i sure don't miss them |
| 08:09.06 | indigoid | instead i have a hotkey setup to run xkill |
| 08:09.15 | dondelelcaro | yeah, and then you probably type alt-f4 indiscriminately or something... |
| 08:09.17 | peterS | indigoid: you run a close-optional desktop? |
| 08:09.19 | helix | I still close things on accident |
| 08:09.22 | helix | by accident |
| 08:09.24 | indigoid | peterS: what? |
| 08:09.26 | helix | peterS: hahaha |
| 08:09.28 | peterS | nothin' |
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| 08:09.45 | peterS | oh well, helix got it. or seemed to |
| 08:10.36 | indigoid | xkill is nice. none of this try-to-aim-at-the-close-button crap. just aim anywhere at all in the target window |
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| 08:10.50 | garrett | hey, does anyone know a way to convert maildir to mbox? |
| 08:10.56 | helix | you sound very dangerous |
| 08:10.58 | dondelelcaro | garrett: use archivemail |
| 08:11.25 | peterS | indigoid: now now. delete is much nicer than kill |
| 08:11.28 | garrett | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 08:11.33 | indigoid | it's almost as satisfying has combining focus-follows-mouse with ^d |
| 08:11.33 | peterS | indigoid: or does xkill have a delete option these days? |
| 08:12.02 | indigoid | hold down ^d and swish your mouse around all your terminal windows |
| 08:12.04 | indigoid | bam! bam! bam! |
| 08:12.08 | helix | .. |
| 08:12.20 | peterS | indigoid: of course, ctrl-alt-backspace saves time |
| 08:12.23 | indigoid | peterS: don't know, don't care. |
| 08:12.47 | Ritalin | hey guys |
| 08:12.53 | Ritalin | having grub issues |
| 08:13.08 | dondelelcaro | ditch the \% if you aren't running in cron, of course... |
| 08:13.15 | pw | Ritalin: sit down and tell us all about it. It's OK. We're professionals. Sort of. |
| 08:13.15 | indigoid | ritalin: you need to fry them before you eat them |
| 08:13.22 | peterS | dondelelcaro: of course |
| 08:13.30 | Ritalin | when i type root (hda0,0) i get Error 23: Error while parsing number |
| 08:13.39 | pw | lose the "a" |
| 08:13.39 | Ritalin | eh? |
| 08:13.40 | peterS | Ritalin: hd0, not hda0 |
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| 08:13.51 | Ritalin | doh! |
| 08:13.55 | pw | so, /dev/hda1 is (hd0,0( |
| 08:13.57 | pw | Er |
| 08:13.58 | pw | ) |
| 08:13.58 | pw | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.04 | Rawplayer | Ritalin: its not doh you didnt read that manual |
| 08:14.19 | peterS | Rawplayer: oh, ease off. that's an easy detail to mix up |
| 08:14.20 | Ritalin | i never do |
| 08:14.22 | Ritalin | lol |
| 08:14.25 | pw | Rawplayer: if we bitched out everyone who didn't RTFM we'd do nothing else |
| 08:14.28 | Ritalin | man pages suck |
| 08:14.28 | mcsuper5 | hello |
| 08:14.34 | dondelelcaro | !mansmite Ritalin |
| 08:14.39 | peterS | pw: indeed, you just did describe some people here |
| 08:14.47 | Ritalin | lol |
| 08:14.55 | pw | Ritalin: the easiest way to read grub documentation is to install dwww and use a web browser |
| 08:15.05 | pw | much nicer than the horror that is the info program |
| 08:15.13 | indigoid | hey info is ok |
| 08:15.15 | dondelelcaro | ah, info is so much fun! |
| 08:15.21 | peterS | pw: people use /usr/bin/info? not just emacs? |
| 08:15.28 | indigoid | peters: i do |
| 08:15.38 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's basically is emacs without the editor part... |
| 08:15.40 | pw | I use a web browser and pretend like I'm using a modern computer. |
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| 08:16.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah and without any useful keybindings |
| 08:16.27 | indigoid | sure, it sucks if you expect it to be like firefox |
| 08:16.27 | indigoid | but it does work |
| 08:16.27 | bludwulf | hey guys how do i go to debian setup? |
| 08:16.27 | indigoid | it has searching, and link navigation, and many other spiffy things |
| 08:16.27 | dondelelcaro | peterS: hey, it's got C-s and u p n; what else do you need? |
| 08:16.27 | mcsuper5 | I want to burn the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives to a disk, where might a find a tutorial on how to do this so I can use apt-cdrom add later? |
| 08:16.27 | bludwulf | i want to tell the "netinstall.iso" to install a desktop for me |
| 08:16.32 | indigoid | dondelelcaro: i |
| 08:16.35 | pw | http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/dwww/ <-- documentation, civilised-stylee |
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| 08:16.36 | peterS | dondelelcaro: multiple windows would be nice. also, it's been awhile since I used it but it seems like scrolling is weird |
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| 08:17.13 | elemental | so what do you guys think of ubuntu ? |
| 08:17.19 | pw | Nice artwork. |
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| 08:17.22 | Ritalin | lol |
| 08:17.29 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, true... *shrug* for serious reading, there's nothing like emacs' info or woman. |
| 08:17.30 | pw | What's "lol" about that? It is. |
| 08:17.31 | peterS | elemental: the warthog motif turns me off |
| 08:17.34 | bludwulf | hey guys how do i go to debian setup? |
| 08:17.42 | helix | dondelelcaro: YOU EXPECT US TO DO YOUR READING FOR YOU TOO? |
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| 08:18.10 | dondelelcaro | helix: well, I mean, when you guys finish cooking, doing the laundry, and cleaning, why not? |
| 08:18.14 | helix | heh |
| 08:18.18 | Ritalin | damn |
| 08:18.22 | Ritalin | well it booted kinda |
| 08:18.30 | pw | bludwulf: "debian setup"? |
| 08:18.33 | brc_ | how do you check what your disk quota is? |
| 08:18.36 | pw | quota |
| 08:18.37 | Ritalin | im at the grub screen |
| 08:18.39 | dondelelcaro | brc_: quota -v |
| 08:18.44 | Ritalin | but its all wacked out looking |
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| 08:18.55 | bludwulf | pw yah i want to get to this http://www.linuxbeta.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=59&slide=34 |
| 08:18.57 | Ritalin | can hardly see it and its all messed up |
| 08:18.58 | dondelelcaro | ahh yes... the technical term: "whacked out looking" |
| 08:19.03 | indigoid | i don't allow women in my kitchen or laundry |
| 08:19.12 | indigoid | they are banned |
| 08:19.18 | pw | bludwulf: that's after all the network setup stuff |
| 08:19.24 | brc_ | dondelelcaro, thanks...think I might have really screwed up |
| 08:19.25 | dondelelcaro | indigoid: well, if you don't clean those rooms, it's not surprising... |
| 08:19.27 | bludwulf | yah ok so how to get to that |
| 08:19.43 | pw | Just step through the installer, you'll get there |
| 08:19.50 | helix | indigoid: for some reason, I suspect you don't have to do a lot of policing. |
| 08:20.00 | brc_ | bell:/usr/src/asterisk# cvs update -dP can't create temporary directory /tmp/cvs-serv13661 Disk quota exceeded |
| 08:20.00 | brc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.03 | indigoid | i'd rather cook my own food and wash my own clothes |
| 08:20.06 | bludwulf | pw i dont wnat ot install everything again! |
| 08:20.19 | helix | bludwulf: run tasksel |
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| 08:20.25 | brc_ | I only have 5% disk used on a 40 GIG partition |
| 08:20.27 | dondelelcaro | indigoid: no eating out either? bummer. |
| 08:20.35 | brc_ | and I don't seem to have the quota command |
| 08:20.39 | dondelelcaro | brc_: check df -h; |
| 08:20.43 | Ritalin | i hate linux |
| 08:20.48 | indigoid | cooking keeps me entertained |
| 08:20.52 | peterS | Ritalin: the feeling is mutual, I'm sure |
| 08:20.52 | dondelelcaro | brc_: odds are you aren't running a quota and have tmpfs or something mounted on /tmp |
| 08:20.52 | helix | or install quota :) |
| 08:20.53 | indigoid | i'm always trying different stuff |
| 08:20.57 | pw | bludwulf: apt-get install gtypist, first. |
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| 08:21.10 | brc_ | dondelelcaro, ahhhmmmmm |
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| 08:21.23 | bludwulf | ok let me try |
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| 08:21.27 | bludwulf | i hate linux to heh |
| 08:21.30 | indigoid | last night i improvised an utterly amazing pasta sauce |
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| 08:21.33 | brc_ | what's /dev/shm? |
| 08:21.40 | pw | brc_: If you don't know, you don't care. |
| 08:21.40 | Ritalin | crap its showing the root hda0 mistype i did when i boot |
| 08:21.41 | indigoid | yum yum |
| 08:21.45 | brc_ | k |
| 08:21.48 | dondelelcaro | brc_: that's shared memory... not really a big deal |
| 08:21.50 | Ritalin | i thought i fixed that |
| 08:21.56 | brc_ | I had just updated a bunch of apt-get packages |
| 08:22.00 | Ritalin | i must have two grub.conf's |
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| 08:22.15 | pw | Ritalin: this isn't the grub.conf you're looking for. Move along, move along. |
| 08:22.20 | brc_ | and I issued a apt-get clean after I got the quota warning...didn't think to do a df before I did apt-get clean |
| 08:22.33 | pw | is /tmp on a different filesystem, brc_ ? |
| 08:22.35 | peterS | pw: you don't need to see his master boot record |
| 08:22.41 | dondelelcaro | brc_: well, there's no way that you could have used 36G worth of .debs |
| 08:22.44 | brc_ | pw, yeah /tmp is it's own partition |
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| 08:23.10 | Ritalin | should have went with lilo... |
| 08:23.19 | bludwulf | helix ok thanks that worked, after i selected "desktop" will i be able to run kde ? |
| 08:23.32 | brc_ | dondelelcaro, yeah I didn't think so |
| 08:23.35 | pw | Ritalin: No, LILO is poo compared to GRUB |
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| 08:23.37 | helix | bludwulf: umm, I'm not sure what all is in tasksel. |
| 08:23.44 | brc_ | so no ideas why that happened? |
| 08:23.48 | dondelelcaro | brc_: uh, if /tmp is a separate partition, that's probably the deal |
| 08:23.53 | brc_ | I guess I'll just try cvs updating again and see what happens...... |
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| 08:24.13 | pw | At least with grub, if you arse it up, you can hit "e" and edit the line until it boots. |
| 08:24.14 | brc_ | hmm |
| 08:24.14 | pw | If you fark up your lilo.conf, you're potentially dead in the water. |
| 08:24.14 | brc_ | pw yeah that's saved me a ton of times :) |
| 08:24.23 | brc_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 08:24.29 | helix | GitS? |
| 08:24.38 | helix | !gits |
| 08:24.44 | helix | it's not like grits, right? |
| 08:24.48 | peterS | helix: "ghost in the shell" |
| 08:24.49 | pw | Hot grits? |
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| 08:24.55 | helix | pw: IN YOUR PANTS |
| 08:24.57 | helix | peterS: ah |
| 08:25.12 | LordKahless | anyone here using fluxbox? i just got it with apt, but, i have nothing on the menu |
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| 08:25.32 | pw | LordKahless: have you got menu installed? |
| 08:25.33 | peterS | pw is petrified? |
| 08:25.42 | peterS | that's almost a multilingual pun |
| 08:25.55 | Rawplayer | LordKahless: you need to make your menu's |
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| 08:26.16 | helix | heh |
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| 08:26.51 | LordKahless | as i was asking before X started to freak out, anyone know how i can generate menus for flux? |
| 08:27.22 | The_Vulture | LordKahless: install the menu package.. |
| 08:27.32 | LordKahless | what is the name of the pkg? |
| 08:27.38 | The_Vulture | "menu" |
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| 08:28.22 | LordKahless | menu is already the newest version |
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| 08:28.55 | The_Vulture | run "update-menus" perhaps.. do you have a .fluxboxrc or something that might be specifying a different menu file? |
| 08:29.03 | sciboy | Hi, i recently downloaded a rather large file and i discovered it is partially corrupted, i do not have the bandwidth available to re-obtain the file and i was wondering whether there is a tool that can repair the file if i give it the URL of where i was downloading from and the file i have on my hard drive? GetRight under windows i believe has this feature available =/ |
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| 08:29.16 | LordKahless | not that i know of, i just installed debian tonite |
| 08:29.24 | pw | sciboy: I believe you can do that with curl or wget. |
| 08:29.33 | lemental | I have a MAJOR problem .. my X/gnome2.8/whatever is changing to ASIAN fonts by itself , it goes back and forth from asian/english .. how do I fix this .. it does it in ALL apps .. firefox/xchat/gaim/etc |
| 08:29.42 | doleyb | sciboy: consider wget -c |
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| 08:30.00 | pw | sciboy: knock yourself out. I'm not reading all this for you: http://guildenstern.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/dwww?type=man&location=/usr/share/man/man1/curl.1.gz |
| 08:30.01 | LordKahless | brb |
| 08:30.06 | The_Vulture | I use BlackBox, rather than fluxbox, not sure if I had to do anything to get things working with the menu system, but my ~/.blackboxrc has an entry for menus, pointing to /etc/X11/blackbox/blackbox-menu perhaps you need something similar |
| 08:30.27 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 08:30.47 | lemental | I didnt change anything |
| 08:30.49 | lemental | its possessed |
| 08:30.57 | lemental | pango == gnome international support |
| 08:31.01 | lemental | fonts/etc |
| 08:31.02 | lemental | right ? |
| 08:31.06 | lemental | I cant use firefox |
| 08:31.14 | lemental | actually .. let me try loading x with just blackbox |
| 08:31.16 | lemental | and debugging |
| 08:31.17 | lemental | brb |
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| 08:32.09 | sciboy | pw, I see nothing there of any use to me =/ |
| 08:32.14 | Ritalin | yeah im gonna try lilo |
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| 08:32.21 | Ritalin | i hate grub already |
| 08:32.39 | sciboy | doleyb, That wouldn't work considering it is corrupted at the beginning... would it? |
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| 08:33.25 | pw | so "curl -r" wouldn't help, sciboy ? |
| 08:34.06 | sciboy | pw, I am not sure as to what _sections_ of the file are corrupted. |
| 08:34.32 | pw | sciboy: then you're doomed. |
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| 08:35.30 | pw | I'd love to know how GetRight can detect which sections of a file are corrupted without downloading the whole thing. |
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| 08:36.48 | sciboy | So would i =/ |
| 08:37.36 | doleyb | sciboy: Getright can probably resume files that were stopped in the middle, that's normal. |
| 08:37.38 | sciboy | Too bad i can't get getright to work under wine =/ |
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| 08:37.56 | sciboy | doleyb, According to someone else, it does more than that. |
| 08:37.59 | doleyb | sciboy: wget -c doesn't work either? |
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| 08:39.11 | doleyb | sciboy: I don't suppose you have a shell account on the server? if so, rsync would work. |
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| 08:39.27 | sciboy | It is a sourceforge mirror =/ |
| 08:39.49 | doleyb | sciboy: beg someone here with a fast connection to download it for you, and then run you an rsyncd server. |
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| 08:40.17 | sciboy | I don't even know how to use rsync =P |
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| 08:41.13 | joesmack | how do you concatenate two strings in bash? |
| 08:41.53 | doleyb | joesmack: $A$B |
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| 08:46.10 | apnea | !ping |
| 08:46.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:46.45 | Ritalin | Kernel Panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) |
| 08:46.52 | Ritalin | i compile something wrong? |
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| 08:47.00 | elwood | Ritalin, sure |
| 08:47.07 | sciboy | Would someone be kind enough to host an rsync server for this file? frag.ops_2.0-english.run ? I downloaded it but the file was corrupted and i don't have the bandwidth left to download it again =/ |
| 08:47.13 | peterS | Ritalin: yes. you missed your IDE driver and/or your filesystem |
| 08:47.22 | Ritalin | :( |
| 08:47.23 | elwood | Ritalin, enable the fs support |
| 08:47.32 | peterS | sciboy: where is that file? |
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| 08:47.38 | Ritalin | brb i need a smoke... |
| 08:47.42 | Supaplex | I have sqlite running, but all I get are 0 byte files when I create a database. even after creating tables and detaching the database. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 08:47.48 | Ritalin | been messing with this for going on a whole day :( |
| 08:48.11 | sciboy | peterS, http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/liflg/frag.ops_2.0-english.run |
| 08:48.16 | Ritalin | <----OS X user who just got his 1st pc |
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| 08:48.42 | vogella | Hello, is there a hardware check program available for debian? My PC is sometimes hanging and I would like to check via a program (if possible) if my PC is ok from the hardware side. |
| 08:48.42 | joesmack | how do you prepend a zero to a bash variable |
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| 08:49.22 | apnea | joesmack: VARIABLE= |
| 08:49.24 | gomer | VAR=0$VAR |
| 08:49.24 | elemental | hrm |
| 08:49.30 | sciboy | peterS, To the rescue again are we? |
| 08:49.47 | peterS | sciboy: trying. I don't have the space for that file so I'm gonna see if I can make space while it downloads (: |
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| 08:50.12 | doleyb | sciboy: wow, i didn't expect anyone would be nice enough to get it for you. |
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| 08:50.20 | sciboy | peterS: Thanks =) |
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| 08:50.32 | doleyb | i was just joking before. |
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| 08:50.56 | sciboy | doleyb, I am personally not suprised peterS is lending a hand. |
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| 08:51.09 | sciboy | doleyb, I am just lucky he was online =) |
| 08:52.00 | elemental | hrm |
| 08:52.02 | elemental | fixed it |
| 08:52.04 | elemental | heh |
| 08:52.09 | sciboy | peterS, How large is your hard drive anyway? |
| 08:52.24 | woodrag | trying to run php-scripts on my webserver it looks like apache does not run them but just offers them for download.... I have altered httpd.conf with the required lines but it does not work.... ??? |
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| 08:52.59 | peterS | sciboy: huge drive - 120 GB - way more than I need. but my data partition is getting close to full, and I haven't got around to partitioning the rest of the drive |
| 08:53.00 | doleyb | sciboy: i would've hleped, i have 40 gig free, but the last time i opened ports, i am hacked. |
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| 08:53.35 | sciboy | doleyb, Been making too many enemies have we? |
| 08:53.38 | peterS | sciboy: anyway, I found some space, and I'm downloading it now. it should arrive in less than an hour. so wait an hour, then rsync from p12n.org::tmp/frag.ops_2.0-english.run |
| 08:54.00 | doleyb | woodrag: Are you maybe mixing php3 files with php4 server (or vice-versa)? |
| 08:54.08 | sciboy | peterS, Ok, thanks =) |
| 08:54.10 | peterS | sciboy: I *knew* there was a good reason for me to set up an rsync server on my machine. (it was really for my own use, but anyway) |
| 08:54.34 | elemental | peter |
| 08:54.35 | sciboy | peterS, Oh and remember that i owe you 2. |
| 08:54.37 | woodrag | doleyb: Good tip! |
| 08:54.43 | peterS | sciboy: heh |
| 08:54.47 | woodrag | doleyb: Im am going to check this out! |
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| 08:57.04 | elwood | which one is the pkg-config search path? |
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| 09:00.20 | debian200 | best way to crawl through a f.s for .mp3's and mv them to a ./dir ? |
| 09:00.23 | woodrag | doleyb: I replaced the php4 with the php3 module but it does not do the trick... Im using dselect on debian/testing! |
| 09:01.11 | kerpal | !test |
| 09:01.11 | dpkg | No, kerpal, you're not online any more. |
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| 09:02.05 | sciboy | bbl. |
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| 09:02.31 | gomer | debian200: find / \*.mp3 |
| 09:02.43 | nitronic | hi there, has anyone been having problems with gAIM freezing upon sign on? i'm having this on both my debian boxes:( |
| 09:02.43 | pingouin | how can i tell mozilla to open WxH+X+Y position ? the -geometry option doesnt work for it in ~/.xinitrc |
| 09:02.46 | doleyb | woodrag: do you know if your scripts are php3 or php4? |
| 09:03.23 | Hugl3 | Hello all |
| 09:03.33 | Hugl3 | anyone here can help me dealing with symlinks ? |
| 09:03.38 | Hugl3 | I have posted here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=230180 |
| 09:03.47 | Hugl3 | but noone onswered.. |
| 09:03.52 | Hugl3 | maybe here you can help me ? |
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| 09:04.28 | snail | could someone suggest freeciv-like games for debian? |
| 09:04.35 | elemental | how do I uninstall all non-english fonts |
| 09:04.43 | elemental | my box is changing to asian fonts and is possessed |
| 09:04.59 | woodrag | doleyb: I downloaded mythtvweb.. I think its php3.. |
| 09:05.15 | doleyb | debian200: or better "find / -name \*mp3 -exec mv \{\} ~/music \;" |
| 09:05.20 | woodrag | doleyb: Does it matter?? Isnt it a apache problem? |
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| 09:06.00 | doleyb | woodrag: well, there are 2 different mimetypes for php3 and php4 scripts, and you have to set the right one in apache.conf |
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| 09:07.31 | gege | hello all ! |
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| 09:07.54 | woodrag | doleyb:AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
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| 09:08.04 | gege | how many french in the places ? for a question pliz |
| 09:09.57 | gege | pliz ... is just for a kestion ... but in french f it's possible :) |
| 09:09.59 | doleyb | woodrag: according to mythweb-0.16/README, it wants PHP 4.x |
| 09:10.44 | doleyb | woodrag: your apache.conf line looks right for php4. For php3, it would be pplication/x-httpd-php3 insteaed |
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| 09:11.47 | elwood | config.status: error: cannot find input file: [config.h].in |
| 09:11.48 | elwood | make: *** [stamp-h] Error 1 |
| 09:11.59 | elwood | what can i do? |
| 09:12.16 | Ritalin | im in my kernel now and i have reiserfs support checked.... |
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| 09:12.25 | Ritalin | why did it give me that weird error then |
| 09:12.37 | Ritalin | Kernel Panic:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,3) |
| 09:12.47 | Ritalin | im using reiser4 |
| 09:12.49 | peterS | Ritalin: you are missing something to do with IDE support |
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| 09:12.54 | peterS | Ritalin: also, what is wrong with debian kernel images? |
| 09:13.16 | Ritalin | peterS im using gentoo :) |
| 09:13.18 | cahoot | peterS: they don't work on gentoo |
| 09:13.24 | Ritalin | they are just useless in #gentoo |
| 09:13.25 | peterS | cahoot: ahhh |
| 09:13.38 | peterS | Ritalin: so what are you doing on #debian, then? surely you would get more accurate help in #gentoo? |
| 09:13.47 | Ritalin | yeah right |
| 09:13.48 | peterS | Ritalin: case in point - I just advised something that will not work for you |
| 09:13.53 | peterS | Ritalin: in #gentoo, this would not happen |
| 09:14.05 | Ritalin | dude they dont know crap |
| 09:14.09 | Ritalin | most of them anyways |
| 09:14.16 | peterS | well, I guess that's possible |
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| 09:14.30 | Rawplayer | !distrowar |
| 09:14.41 | Ritalin | i figure kernel config was the same for every distro |
| 09:14.49 | Ritalin | and you guys seem to know more |
| 09:14.57 | Rawplayer | #kernel |
| 09:14.59 | Rawplayer | try there |
| 09:15.00 | cahoot | peterS: otoh I don't thinke the inability to config a kernel is distro specific - mora a personal thing |
| 09:15.16 | cahoot | like spelling |
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| 09:15.22 | Ritalin | lol |
| 09:15.57 | Ritalin | well you think its an ide problem? |
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| 09:16.07 | peterS | Ritalin: most likely |
| 09:16.12 | Ritalin | im using reiser4 but im also using a very new kernel image |
| 09:16.13 | doleyb | Ritalin: before the error message, did you get a list of your partitions printed? |
| 09:16.26 | Ritalin | umm |
| 09:16.28 | Ritalin | i dont know |
| 09:16.38 | Ritalin | i got a bunch of stuff before that happened |
| 09:16.48 | peterS | Ritalin: reiser4 is not included in official kernels |
| 09:16.53 | doleyb | Ritalin: it usually happens 10-12 lines up, a line like "hda1 hda2 <hda3> hda4" |
| 09:17.08 | Ritalin | im using ck-kernel |
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| 09:17.12 | Ritalin | newest one |
| 09:17.21 | Ritalin | said its patched for reiser4 |
| 09:17.37 | doleyb | Ritalin: and when you "checked" reiser4, was that as module or kernel? |
| 09:17.55 | Ritalin | well in kernel it just says reiserfs support |
| 09:17.56 | doleyb | Ritalin: because it can't be a module unless you also make initrd |
| 09:17.59 | Ritalin | but i got it checked |
| 09:18.14 | Ritalin | yeah i didnt make it a module |
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| 09:19.09 | doleyb | Ritalin: join #flood, and i show you something |
| 09:19.47 | Ritalin | im there |
| 09:19.59 | nitronic | anyone been having problems with gaim crashing lately? i know it has to do something with another debian package, as older versions also crash |
| 09:20.07 | nitronic | anyone know what is causing it? |
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| 09:20.41 | Gathond | nitronic: the BTS might |
| 09:20.44 | cahoot | nitronic: tried starting it in a term - any errors reported? |
| 09:20.51 | nitronic | cahoot - not at all |
| 09:21.00 | cmo | i need to install debian, but i do not know the latest version. (What is the latest stable version of debian?) |
| 09:21.07 | nitronic | Gathond - BTS? |
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| 09:21.17 | at0mik | hi all |
| 09:21.25 | doleyb | cmo: the version called "stable" is stable. |
| 09:21.41 | Gathond | nitronic: bug tracking system, bugs.debian.org |
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| 09:21.42 | at0mik | Dies the sarge cd iso support xfs filesystem ? (http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/20040917/sarge-i386-netinst.iso( |
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| 09:21.48 | doleyb | cmo: however the "stable" version is NOT the latest, not nearly. |
| 09:22.04 | pw | doleyb: it's the latest released version. |
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| 09:22.30 | Ritalin | yeah i seen my hd on there |
| 09:22.37 | Ritalin | probally filesystem then |
| 09:22.56 | cmo | i need to install debian in a small office. so i wanted a stable because i wanted to keep workers away from frustration. |
| 09:22.56 | doleyb | pw: technically that isn't true. if people can download it, that is "release" |
| 09:23.04 | Ritalin | i think im just gonna switch to debian |
| 09:23.09 | Ritalin | you guys are way more helpful |
| 09:23.22 | Ritalin | plus compling stuff sux |
| 09:23.24 | Ritalin | :) |
| 09:23.47 | Ritalin | everyone in #gentoo says you guys have really old software though |
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| 09:24.10 | doleyb | Ritalin: If you want to download and compile newer stuff onto debian, you always can |
| 09:24.23 | snail | Ritalin: debian has stable software |
| 09:24.24 | doleyb | Ritalin: but you don't have to compile all the old, boring stuff just to get that far. |
| 09:24.25 | Ritalin | plus i have some experince with apt-get |
| 09:24.36 | Ritalin | i use fink on os x |
| 09:25.04 | Ritalin | yeah screw gentoo |
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| 09:25.35 | doleyb | actually I am considering trying gentoo for the 1st time soon. |
| 09:25.51 | Ritalin | well its a pain in the arse to setup |
| 09:25.56 | doleyb | just to see if it recognizes my network card (which debian doesnt, without recompiling kernel) |
| 09:26.02 | cmo | so for example, there is fd1 and fd2. is there is something for debian. what is the version number of the last stable release |
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| 09:26.11 | cmo | suitable for office production |
| 09:26.22 | cahoot | Ritalin: why the urge to relieve yourself here? |
| 09:26.33 | Ritalin | eh? |
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| 09:26.49 | doleyb | cmo: I think the version called "sarge" would be good. Look for the sarge netinst iso and burn that. |
| 09:27.26 | pw | doleyb: do you have an Intel Pro/100 network card? |
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| 09:28.16 | doleyb | pw: I have 4 ne2k-pci cards of different brands. They work in fedora or knoppix, but not debian. |
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| 09:29.36 | pw | doleyb: Ah. I have an intel card that requires the alternative driver, which is not provided in the kernel that the sarge installer currently uses. However, it is supported in the new d-i |
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| 09:29.57 | doleyb | pw: i tried the woody and sarge bootdisks, neither work with the card. |
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| 09:30.12 | doleyb | pw: but sarge at least shows error messages, woody fails silently. |
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| 09:30.29 | mung | could some kind soul help me figure out how to share my dsl from a debian box to windows clients? |
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| 09:31.45 | mung | I've read multiple Howto's on the subject, but none really helped |
| 09:32.03 | cahoot | mung: bying a router is no option? |
| 09:32.20 | mung | cahoot: where's the fun in that? |
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| 09:33.27 | mung | I put together an old p200 in a cardboard box just for this purpose |
| 09:33.39 | mung | you can't buy that sort of workmanship in any store i know :P |
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| 09:34.34 | cahoot | mung: checked out smoothwall? |
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| 09:35.03 | mung | yeah I've checked out a few small distro's like that |
| 09:35.08 | doleyb | mung: you can do it with 2 iptables commands. |
| 09:35.32 | doleyb | mung: I will paste some in #flood |
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| 09:35.47 | mung | thanks |
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| 09:37.11 | maitscha | hello, I have a problem with my snmp-daemon, I get no answer with snmpwalk... |
| 09:37.53 | maitscha | I tried the following: snmpwalk -c public -v 1 localhost 1.3.6.1.2.1.1. But I only get "Timeout: No Response from localhost". |
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| 09:42.41 | gordonjcp | az[a]zel_ubuntu: how is it? |
| 09:43.39 | cartman | az[a]zel_ubuntu: advertising in the nick ? :) |
| 09:43.42 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | gordonjcp, nice.. easiest way to install a debian-like distribution |
| 09:44.09 | az[a]zel_ubuntu | cartman, well it's so I don't collide when I'm logged in multiple times |
| 09:44.20 | cartman | az[a]zel_ubuntu: okies |
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| 09:45.37 | linaa | #join France |
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| 09:47.24 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
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