| 00:00.11 | sussudio | yes. too bad there isn't something that will pause the list. oh wait. |
| 00:00.18 | flake | yah whats that? |
| 00:00.24 | dondelelcaro | bong! |
| 00:00.26 | sussudio | . |
| 00:00.35 | thomas_adam | flake: In my timezone, it's now Sunday. Welcome. |
| 00:00.43 | dondelelcaro | !sunday |
| 00:00.44 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:00.58 | flake | wow i am cool |
| 00:01.00 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: I still don't know why we're here on sundays... |
| 00:01.07 | cakoose | I'm using apache2-prefork and can't get a CustomLog going. Apache creates a log file but it stays complete empty. The 'access.log' and 'error.log' work fine. |
| 00:01.24 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: Mummy doesn't let us out to play, and this white jacket is very restrictive. |
| 00:01.25 | sussudio | prefork? |
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| 00:01.40 | uruboro | im here because i have too alcohol in the bloodstream to drive to the disco :) |
| 00:01.41 | cakoose | sussudio: The PHP package forced me to use apache2-prefork |
| 00:01.52 | sussudio | !info apache2-prefork |
| 00:01.58 | FieldySnuts | that's not true, it does not force you to use prefork |
| 00:02.02 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: yess... typing with the byte stick is very tiring... |
| 00:02.04 | Miravlix | cak: Yeah it is broken in sarge |
| 00:02.05 | sussudio | <dpkg> Package 'apache2-prefork' does not exist. |
| 00:02.06 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: it does |
| 00:02.07 | flake | dondelelcaro cuz you are a loser fool |
| 00:02.07 | flake | duh |
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| 00:02.17 | cakoose | sussudio: I think it's called apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 00:02.20 | FieldySnuts | spanked |
| 00:02.52 | sussudio | spoooon |
| 00:02.55 | dondelelcaro | uruboro: so take a cab |
| 00:02.55 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:02.57 | neuro|laptop | yarrr, truly the egos in here be large indeed |
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| 00:02.59 | caphuso | dpkg: +depends libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 00:03.04 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libexpat1 (>= 1.95.6), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.7, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), apache2-mpm-prefork (>= 2.0.50-10), php4-common (= 4:4.3.8-12), libmagic1 |
| 00:03.34 | dondelelcaro | uh... pirate day has come and gone. |
| 00:03.39 | oKtosiTe | what exactly is the difference between the netinst and businesscard images? or where can I read about this? |
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| 00:03.43 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: pirate day? |
| 00:03.53 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: yarr, there be days for us |
| 00:04.04 | doleyb | oKtosiTe: about 50 meg |
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| 00:04.07 | jono | hi all |
| 00:04.08 | neuro|laptop | september 19th on the king's calendar it be |
| 00:04.16 | jono | where does apt-get source put source packages? |
| 00:04.19 | neuro|laptop | and the 19th be the day of talkin' like a scurvy dog |
| 00:04.23 | neuro|laptop | yarrr, it be jono |
| 00:04.24 | greycat | jono: . |
| 00:04.25 | Fluten | is pirate day the day where everyone reinstalls their pirated windows os? |
| 00:04.28 | dondelelcaro | damnit... it's fucking come again |
| 00:04.28 | cakoose | jono: usually in the current directory |
| 00:04.30 | thomas_adam | jono: $(pwd) |
| 00:04.31 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: oh, i just read #freenode |
| 00:04.32 | jono | yarrr, be it neuro|laptop |
| 00:04.34 | oKtosiTe | doleyb, comedian, eh? |
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| 00:04.39 | brc_ | is there a easy way to tell what debian branch we are currently on? |
| 00:04.44 | brc_ | other then looking at sources.list |
| 00:04.50 | thomas_adam | brc_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:04.50 | dondelelcaro | brc_: apt-cache policy |
| 00:04.51 | RichiH | brc_: /etc/debian_version |
| 00:04.54 | brc_ | thanks :) |
| 00:04.56 | neuro|laptop | dondelelcaro: then ye truly be a landlubber |
| 00:04.56 | lexton5 | http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_004 |
| 00:04.57 | uruboro | dondelelcaro, the disco is 50 km away, and i prefer getting a new hd then a cab for that amount of money ;) |
| 00:05.17 | dondelelcaro | uruboro: details, details. |
| 00:05.23 | jono | thanks me hearties |
| 00:05.32 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: apt-cache policy -- neat, didn't know that |
| 00:05.55 | brc_ | yeah |
| 00:05.59 | brc_ | nifty |
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| 00:06.16 | neuro|laptop | i'd wager ye'd never been to the blackest heart of the ocean, and grappled with the scurviest squid known to man |
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| 00:06.21 | uruboro | dondelelcaro, i never got more than 500 mt, swimming of course :) |
| 00:06.24 | RichiH | lexton5: release names are all from toy story |
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| 00:07.06 | dondelelcaro | uruboro: heh. It's rare for me to get within 500m of shore [unless I'm in a harbour] |
| 00:07.19 | uruboro | the scurviest squid? a prerelease? |
| 00:07.29 | zophyx | BIND is like Microsoft Windows. The damn thing doesn't work. Every version has been brimming with bugs. |
| 00:07.40 | dondelelcaro | zophyx: so don't use it. use pdns or something. |
| 00:07.49 | FieldySnuts | zophyx: it works fine. user error. |
| 00:07.53 | zophyx | i knew you would say that |
| 00:07.56 | uruboro | well dondelelcaro that's good, i'd not be honoured to be run over by you when swimmin ;) |
| 00:07.59 | RichiH | zophyx: your analogues are like a vacuum. they suck |
| 00:07.59 | Miravlix | Bind worked fine for me forwhat is it 10 years now |
| 00:07.59 | FieldySnuts | then don't troll us |
| 00:08.00 | RichiH | :p |
| 00:08.08 | Miravlix | Wouldn't be an internet without it. :) |
| 00:08.13 | directhex | RichiH, analogies |
| 00:08.21 | RichiH | directhex: ah, thanks |
| 00:08.27 | Airox | yeha! |
| 00:08.32 | zophyx | well.. when i solve this serious bug and save the internet you will all like me |
| 00:08.37 | caphuso | Miravlix: nah, we could exchange our /etc/hosts file around :) |
| 00:08.53 | Miravlix | cap: or use IP only |
| 00:08.57 | directhex | caphuso, yeah, we could post it up on a web site! |
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| 00:09.29 | caphuso | and you only need one IP anyways: 216.239.59.104 ;-) |
| 00:09.31 | spatulasnout | newbie question: a dedicated server was configured for me running "debian (stable)". uname -a says "Linux tastyspleen 2.4.19-ac4 #1 Wed Aug 7 00:10:12 EDT 2002 i686 unknown" ...how can i find out more about what 'version' of debian is installed? and the kernel source version? thx! |
| 00:09.50 | Airox | hehe |
| 00:10.02 | caphuso | spatulasnout: the kernel source is obviously 2.4.19-ac4, just as your uname output says |
| 00:10.06 | Miravlix | Kernel is 2.4.19 |
| 00:10.10 | uruboro | caphuso your idea is workable, we just need to consolidate all the porn domains into a couple |
| 00:10.16 | directhex | spatulasnout, the debian version is identifiec by cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:10.29 | caphuso | cat /etc/debian_version is not reliable |
| 00:10.37 | spatulasnout | directhex: ah, 3.0 ... thx !! |
| 00:10.38 | directhex | spatulasnout, versions of packages can be identified with dpkg -l packagename |
| 00:10.54 | RichiH | zophyx: true. asg will hump you, then |
| 00:11.06 | RichiH | fo' free |
| 00:11.11 | Miravlix | spat: Might wanna check apt-get update |
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| 00:11.32 | directhex | caphuso, true, hell it even reports something on knoppix, it cant be right ;) |
| 00:11.34 | giantrobot | q: if I am installing a new kernel-image, will "apt-get install kernel-image..." set up my computer for the new kernel automatically, or am I merely downloading the image? |
| 00:11.43 | oKtosiTe | anyone, what exactly is the difference between the netinst and businesscard images, or where can I read about this? |
| 00:11.52 | Miravlix | giant: IT's normally automatic. |
| 00:11.58 | RichiH | giantrobot: set up automagically |
| 00:11.59 | spatulasnout | directhex: thanks ! |
| 00:12.25 | RichiH | giantrobot: if you still have lilo, it ask you to check if you have initrd support enabled (which you should check!) |
| 00:12.25 | giantrobot | does it affect my yaboot.conf (lilo.conf for x86 users) |
| 00:12.27 | Miravlix | If you have fidled with the boot loader, then it can break the automatic install though |
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| 00:14.13 | giantrobot | I see. what kind of fooling with the boot loader would mess it up, and if it messes up, will the package just download somewhere (package listing?) |
| 00:14.35 | Miravlix | Anyone know what the security issues is running two privat networks on a switch. |
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| 00:17.06 | lexton5 | perl 5.8 in sarge! |
| 00:17.22 | mst | how's that a good thing |
| 00:17.34 | lexton5 | ? |
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| 00:19.46 | greycat | sarge has had perl 5.8 for years, IIRC |
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| 00:20.31 | lexton5 | yes but not as a stable release? |
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| 00:22.44 | Zetabyte2 | I recompiled a 2.6.8 kernel from source, copied over the bzImage file and modified menu.lst so grub has it as a menu option, but when i boot with it, i just get a blank screen with a flashing cursor in the bottom left of the screen. it occurs shortly after you see "uncompressing kernel...". can anyone point me in the right direction here? |
| 00:22.47 | greycat | !sarge guess |
| 00:22.48 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 5 weeks, or see <guess>. |
| 00:23.16 | oKtosiTe | Zetabyte, did you do a grub-install? |
| 00:23.22 | lexton5 | I have the kettle on.... would anyone like some Green Tea? |
| 00:23.33 | oKtosiTe | lexton5, here please |
| 00:23.45 | Zetabyte2 | uh...no. do you need to do that? because the new option showed up in the menu |
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| 00:23.57 | TheBlueWizard | greycat: is dpkg up to date re: sarge release guess? |
| 00:24.22 | fanny_ | Hi all, I currently run redhat, what does debian offer that RH doesnt??, any good reason to change over? |
| 00:24.23 | oKtosiTe | Zetabyte, yes, the new item shouldn't appear otherwise (???) |
| 00:24.27 | green-earz | Zetabyte2: why not compile the kernel the debian way ? |
| 00:24.30 | greycat | !sarge guess |
| 00:24.30 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 5 years, or see <guess>. |
| 00:25.01 | Zetabyte2 | because i know the non-debian way, and it seemed easier at the time. if you guys think the problem sounds like it's installed wrong, i'll go give the debian way a shot. |
| 00:25.41 | Zetabyte2 | fanny_, debian owns redhat in a heartbeat. the debian apt has more packages and generally works better than the ports of it, that's the big reason. |
| 00:26.12 | Zetabyte2 | fanny_, I also find debian is much more stable than redhat (or mandrake, for that matter, just to list the ones i've used). |
| 00:26.32 | fanny_ | Zeta, that was my next question, stability |
| 00:26.34 | green-earz | Zetabyte2: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 00:26.37 | kasan0 | fanny: afaik red hat is discontinued, and fedora is an experimental distro |
| 00:27.01 | kasan0 | and rhel is lame |
| 00:27.04 | fanny_ | kasanO, I said RH but am actually on FC1 |
| 00:27.36 | Zetabyte2 | green-earz, thanks =) |
| 00:27.47 | green-earz | Zetabyte2: ok |
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| 00:28.27 | MerlinCorey | fanny_: http://www.linuxforce.net/debian.html and http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html |
| 00:28.32 | directhex | god i wish we ran debian at work rather than redhat 7.2 |
| 00:28.36 | MerlinCorey | fanny_: neither are official or anything, just resources... |
| 00:28.37 | directhex | and solaris 9 -_- |
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| 00:30.10 | directhex | really, my job would be so much easier on debian |
| 00:30.19 | kasan0 | fanny: debian is for more advanced linux users and is more configurable. |
| 00:30.20 | green-earz | Zetabyte2: you could have apt-get the kernel image for 2.6.8 |
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| 00:30.46 | caphuso | $ nngrep qpopper |
| 00:30.56 | fanny_ | kasanO, I am a linux newcomer, like a year or so |
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| 00:31.51 | neuro|laptop | [01:27] <kasan0> and rhel is lame |
| 00:31.57 | oKtosiTe | fanny_, debian is king and queen of linux distro's as far as I'm concerned |
| 00:32.00 | neuro|laptop | kasan0: what makes ye be sayin' this? |
| 00:32.51 | kasan0 | fanny: i used to run redhat & mandrake. they provide the most popular packages. as i started installing more software, it became difficult to administer due to a mix of RH and third party packages. with debian, all packages are supplied by the distro and "just work" together better. |
| 00:32.53 | green-earz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:33.30 | juan | is mozilla thunderbird broken in sid? |
| 00:33.32 | fanny_ | kasanO, ya, i would say as deb comes on what 6-7 cd's |
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| 00:33.45 | directhex | juan, apparently so, according to bdo |
| 00:33.48 | neuro|laptop | fanny_: ye only be needin' one to install |
| 00:33.48 | green-earz | fanny_: have you installed woody or sarge ? |
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| 00:34.06 | directhex | juan, if you use aptitude, you would have gotten dire warning about it being broken before you installed |
| 00:34.15 | skunk | directhex: broken how? |
| 00:34.36 | kasan0 | fanny: yes, there are over 10000 packages. you don't need to d/l the cd's; just install a basic system from the first CD, then "apt-get install" from the Internet as needed |
| 00:34.54 | juan | skunk: upgrading profile fails |
| 00:35.03 | fanny_ | kasanO, just need cd1?? |
| 00:35.15 | directhex | skunk, dunno, there are 3 grave bugs posted against it. |
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| 00:35.39 | juan | what's the stupid db format used for abook and imap cache files? |
| 00:35.48 | directhex | fanny_, not even cd1 really. a 110mb or 45mb net-install cd will do the job |
| 00:36.00 | DarknessX | in which package is the 'lp-cups' binary? |
| 00:36.01 | green-earz | fanny_: and are you dsl user if so check out the sarge net installer cd 110 meg |
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| 00:36.14 | uruboro | sarge is like 13 cds, iirc. anyway as directhex says you just need one installer cd then you get everything else from the net |
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| 00:36.54 | fanny_ | thanks guys, let me go look into it |
| 00:36.56 | directhex | DarknessX, apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search lp-cups |
| 00:37.06 | green-earz | fanny_: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 00:37.21 | fanny_ | green, thx |
| 00:37.23 | kasan0 | fanny: if i were you, i would wait a few months for Sarge to be released if you want stability & the latest software. |
| 00:37.39 | green-earz | fanny_: all the best |
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| 00:38.29 | fanny_ | kasanO, sarge the next release?? |
| 00:38.38 | fanny_ | thx green |
| 00:39.11 | kasan0 | fanny: yes, it is almost ready to be released. the current release, codenamed "woody", is several years old. sarge, however, is relatively recent. |
| 00:39.30 | kasan0 | !guess sarge |
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| 00:39.41 | fanny_ | good deal, will give me some time to read up |
| 00:40.10 | Zetabyte2 | running sid, i'm getting errors with package "locales" remove --purge and reinstall doesn't help - anyone know if it's borked or how to fix it? |
| 00:40.13 | green-earz | fanny_: here a link thats well worth a read bookmark > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 00:40.15 | kasan0 | fanny: cya, good luck |
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| 00:41.10 | green-earz | fanny_: and another bookmark link http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
| 00:41.21 | directhex | or http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03OTM= for sarge |
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| 00:41.41 | directhex | continued at http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD04MjQ= |
| 00:42.09 | Condector | hello |
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| 00:42.36 | K_Dallas | Good eveing folks! |
| 00:42.59 | MerlinCorey | !gentoosmite randomusers |
| 00:43.05 | K_Dallas | how could i install kde3.3? it does not apear on my sites |
| 00:43.38 | K_Dallas | i mean when i use synaptic |
| 00:43.56 | MerlinCorey | K_Dallas: is it in packages.debian.org ..? |
| 00:43.59 | mwilson | K_Dallas: That is correct. |
| 00:44.13 | Zetabyte2 | nobody has any ideas about how to fix my broken "locales" package? |
| 00:44.15 | K_Dallas | so it is not therer, that is what you are saying right |
| 00:44.15 | streuner | K_Dallas: /list #debian-kde |
| 00:44.52 | Rawplayer | :+ |
| 00:45.01 | K_Dallas | excuse me streuner, what does that list do? |
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| 00:45.50 | streuner | K_Dallas: /list is the command to list the /topic of the channel, just use it |
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| 00:47.09 | Miravlix | Good thing it's a small network or we would have to casterate you for creating server load. :) |
| 00:47.11 | K_Dallas | well it did somethign strange in kvirc which i didnt understand |
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| 00:47.42 | K_Dallas | i only use list to get chan names |
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| 00:48.28 | enyawix | is snort_inline in the package tree? |
| 00:48.47 | enyawix | i want to setup a snort_inline based fire wall |
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| 00:48.52 | menteco | Is there a set of fonts commonly available with standard installations of Linux and Windows? |
| 00:49.18 | streuner | K_Dallas: read the URL in the /topic and /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 00:50.29 | Condector | hey, i'm try to make the mpg123, but fail... the command: apt-get source mpg123 --compile |
| 00:50.48 | MerlinCorey | menteco: arial... times new roman..? verdana..? :p |
| 00:50.52 | Condector | i 'm try in other time apt-get build-dep mpg123.. |
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| 00:51.02 | dimka | hello |
| 00:51.07 | cafuego | apt-get install mpg321 |
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| 00:51.34 | dimka | i'm a newbie, can anyone help me setup sound on my linuxbox, i don't know where to start :( |
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| 00:52.00 | streuner | dimka: /msg dpkg sound |
| 00:52.28 | Condector | cafuego but, if i'm try apt-get source mpg321 --compile |
| 00:52.39 | cafuego | dimka: Find ojt what you card is with 'lspci' - install the correct driver using 'modconf'. Install a mixer, add yourself to the 'audio' group, logout, login. Turn the volume up using the mixer, play sound. |
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| 00:52.46 | Condector | in my own pc the default binary is slow.. |
| 00:53.01 | cafuego | Condector: Recompiling it with default options will make no difference. |
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| 00:53.48 | streuner | Condector: how got you the idea, you make a better compiled deb than a maint of debian, who works in years on such problems? |
| 00:53.48 | K_Dallas | just out of curiousity, anyone knows why suse 9.1 is so slow on my mahcine while debian is not ;) -good thing i switched to debian- |
| 00:53.59 | dimka | cafuego, my sound used to work, i did apt-get, then it stopped working |
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| 00:54.23 | cafuego | dimka: Just 'apt-get' does nothing. You must have done something else. |
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| 00:55.29 | dimka | cafuego, i think the kernel was updated |
| 00:56.04 | cafuego | dimka: The kenrel is never automatically upgraded to a new version. Only a newer compile of a current version. That would make no difference. |
| 00:57.07 | dimka | cafuego, lspci gives me this: |
| 00:57.07 | dimka | 0000:00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS962 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 04) |
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| 00:57.17 | dimka | how do i know whats the module? |
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| 00:58.13 | cafuego | dimka: You check found the sound card entry, not an ISA bridge |
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| 00:58.48 | bbitz | hello |
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| 00:59.53 | dimka | cafuego, what does that mean? |
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| 01:00.25 | cafuego | doc_: it means "0000:00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS962 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 04)" is NOT your sound card. |
| 01:00.29 | Zetabyte2 | while using make-kpkg, i keep getting "perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 01:00.29 | Zetabyte2 | ", and i'm pretty sure it's due to a broken locales package. should I be worried? |
| 01:01.03 | directhex | Zetabyte, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:01.04 | Condector | streuner hehe, i don't thing so.. but in this case, i beliave you is right |
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| 01:01.25 | dimka | cafuego, then is this what i'm looking for? "0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0): |
| 01:01.36 | cafuego | dimka: Yes. |
| 01:01.44 | dimka | alright, what do i do with it? |
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| 01:03.16 | Nexus | Anyone in here using debian for a bind serveR? I'm a bit confused on how it's setup... |
| 01:03.20 | cafuego | dimka: I'm pretty sure you cna load the intel 810 audio controller for that. Use 'modconf' |
| 01:03.35 | Zetabyte2 | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:03.50 | Zetabyte2 | thanks, dpkg, i hadn't realized that. that's terribly helpful. |
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| 01:05.52 | dimka | cafuego, do you mind if we talk via private message? |
| 01:06.11 | mjbb81 | I want to download debian for an intel processor. Which files should I download, alpha, arm hppa, i386, etc? |
| 01:06.15 | TestiCalls | how can i tell what glibc i have? |
| 01:06.49 | green-earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.49 | Condector | mjbb81 i386 |
| 01:06.50 | mentor1 | mjbb81: What Intel processor? |
| 01:06.58 | mentor1 | could be IA64. |
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| 01:07.19 | Condector | humm |
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| 01:07.21 | Condector | okz |
| 01:07.25 | K_Dallas | Hi again! |
| 01:07.25 | mjbb81 | I hate to be stupid but how can I tell. I have the box open. |
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| 01:07.47 | ApTek | mentor1: It is always a cause for concern when someone with high-end hardware doesn't actually know what they have. :) |
| 01:07.49 | mentor1 | mjbb81: Is it a standard PC? |
| 01:07.51 | dondelelcaro | TestiCalls: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 01:07.57 | directhex | mentor1, ARM i think |
| 01:07.59 | mentor1 | ApTek: XScale isn't really high end. |
| 01:08.24 | K_Dallas | I have copied most of my suse xf86config lines into that of my debian to get the monitor recognized which workedp retty good BUT |
| 01:08.37 | K_Dallas | now each time i log into gnome, i get a cross in the center |
| 01:08.38 | ApTek | mentor1: I meant the 64-bit stuff. |
| 01:08.49 | dimka | can anyone help me configure soundcard, step-by-step, i'm trying to get it working for few days now |
| 01:08.56 | K_Dallas | if i move a window over it, it disapears for good but how do i remove it from the start |
| 01:08.57 | greycat | dimka: /msg dpkg sound /msg dpkg faq |
| 01:09.05 | mentor1 | ApTek: heh. |
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| 01:09.22 | green-earz | mjbb81: and here is the link for debian sarge net installer, if you are a dsl user try it out http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 01:09.38 | dimka | greycat, I don't know what driver to use! |
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| 01:09.45 | K_Dallas | i did a netinstall of sarge and it was pretty good |
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| 01:11.10 | green-earz | K_Dallas: its the way installing will be i bet, when dsl becomes more avaible |
| 01:11.30 | mentor1 | K_Dallas: multipass. |
| 01:11.50 | nvz | dsl is teh suck |
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| 01:12.44 | kruzi | if i have written a shell script, what chmod do i need to use to make it run? 700 ? |
| 01:13.02 | nvz | kruzi: man chmod |
| 01:13.17 | mentor1 | kruzi: well, you can 'make it run' with just read permissions. |
| 01:13.31 | kruzi | yeah i wanna make it only run and ONLY viewable by root user |
| 01:13.51 | nvz | mentor1: how you make it run? scare it? |
| 01:13.52 | ApTek | kruzi: You may also want to take a glance at the manual for chown. |
| 01:13.58 | mentor1 | nvz: source foo |
| 01:14.07 | luser | kruzi: chmod +x script.sh |
| 01:14.17 | nvz | mentor1: oh. Are you mentor? |
| 01:14.27 | mentor1 | nvz: No. I'm mentor1 |
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| 01:14.29 | kruzi | is x = 7 |
| 01:14.30 | kruzi | ? |
| 01:14.39 | mentor1 | kruzi: read the man page. |
| 01:15.18 | luser | kruzi: not sure, anyway, you can use letters :) chmod +x scr.sh; chmod o-rwx scr.sh; ... :) |
| 01:15.29 | luser | kruzi: anyway, as ppl said, do : man chmod |
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| 01:16.17 | nvz | mentor1: oh, well I never seen you here before, and your personality closely matches that of mentor |
| 01:16.35 | mentor1 | nvz: Yes, I'm a clone. |
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| 01:17.04 | nvz | mentor1: interesting. |
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| 01:17.26 | ludi | Hello. Would it be ok to replace 'testing' with 'sarge' in my sources.list? |
| 01:17.27 | Nexus | Would someone mind helping me understand what exactly is setup with debian bind? |
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| 01:18.14 | mentor1 | ludi: Depends on how you define 'OK' |
| 01:18.15 | nvz | ludi: that would be a good idea |
| 01:18.25 | mentor1 | nextime: Just ask. |
| 01:18.26 | nvz | ludi: if you want to be using sarge |
| 01:18.27 | TestiCalls | how i install libc6 |
| 01:18.41 | mentor1 | TestiCalls: apt-get install libc6 |
| 01:18.41 | mentor1 | ? |
| 01:18.45 | ludi | nvz: well I've been using testing for the last month. Are sarge and testing the same thing right now? |
| 01:18.49 | TestiCalls | it's already updated |
| 01:18.50 | nvz | ludi: otherwise you will be upgraded to etch when sarge freezes |
| 01:18.55 | mentor1 | ludi: at the moment. |
| 01:19.07 | TestiCalls | does that mean it's already installed? |
| 01:19.08 | ludi | etch is the codename for the next thing after sarge? |
| 01:19.14 | nvz | ludi: yes but sarge is partially frozen and will become stable, and testing will then be etch |
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| 01:19.39 | ludi | ok I'm gonna change over to sarge because this is a workstation and I want it to be secure/stable |
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| 01:19.50 | marlboro | sarge? |
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| 01:20.12 | mentor1 | TestiCalls: upgraded. Pretty much yes. |
| 01:20.32 | ZackB | what is the command to restart debian |
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| 01:20.39 | Initial_KK | hi |
| 01:20.39 | neofred | hello, Initial_KK |
| 01:20.41 | nvz | ZackB: init 6 |
| 01:20.50 | Initial_KK | the Debian is really hard to install... |
| 01:21.02 | mentor1 | ZackB: Reboot? man shutdown |
| 01:21.22 | Initial_KK | I just install 4 times and still can't get the x-window running |
| 01:21.31 | ZackB | shutdown will restart it? |
| 01:21.37 | mentor1 | ZackB: man shutdown |
| 01:21.40 | ZackB | thx |
| 01:21.45 | ludi | I just switched from 'testing' to 'sarge' in my sources.list and 0 packages changed on my system :) |
| 01:21.50 | Initial_KK | is there any site teach u how to install w/ diagram?? |
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| 01:21.54 | mentor1 | Initial_KK: Umm...you don't need to reinstall if you can't get X working. You need to fix X. |
| 01:21.56 | ZackB | that restart or shutdowns? |
| 01:21.57 | Initial_KK | diagram of screenshot |
| 01:22.05 | mentor1 | ludi: That would be right. |
| 01:22.06 | Fluten | is mounting of filesystems the first thing that happens when debian starts? |
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| 01:22.10 | Initial_KK | how? |
| 01:22.10 | mentor1 | ZackB: man shutdown |
| 01:22.21 | Fluten | so i can mount /var over nfs before any daemons start |
| 01:22.32 | ludi | anyone know when gdm 2.6 will make it into sarge? |
| 01:22.33 | Initial_KK | it like u need to be an expert to fix x |
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| 01:22.37 | DarknessX | how can I check in which package a binary is located? (which package has lp-cups?) |
| 01:22.38 | mentor1 | Initial_KK: OK. So you have installed and booted into Debian? |
| 01:22.39 | Nexus | Anyone using bind in debian? |
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| 01:22.46 | green-earz | Initial_KK: have a read of http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 it should help with xserver set up |
| 01:22.48 | mentor1 | ludi: Sarge is forzen. |
| 01:22.49 | Initial_KK | yes |
| 01:23.04 | mentor1 | Initial_KK: How does X not work? |
| 01:23.14 | mentor1 | ~tell Nexus about ask |
| 01:23.16 | ludi | mentor1: well I heard they need to get gdm 2.6 into sarge, it's the only gnome 2.6 package missing |
| 01:23.18 | mentor1 | ~tell Nexus about polls |
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| 01:23.25 | Initial_KK | I don't know |
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| 01:23.31 | mentor1 | ludi: Well, it's up to the release manager then. |
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| 01:23.36 | Initial_KK | I install in a 386 pc |
| 01:23.40 | Initial_KK | for doing the lab |
| 01:23.41 | green-earz | Initial_KK: are you installing woody or sarge |
| 01:23.41 | mentor1 | Initial_KK: Well...neither do I... |
| 01:23.51 | mentor1 | Initial_KK: ... that's gonna hurt. |
| 01:24.10 | Initial_KK | i think woody w/ 2.4 kernel |
| 01:24.12 | mentor1 | Initial_KK: So, what happens when you try to start X? |
| 01:24.18 | dags | whereabouts could a version libdvdcss for sarge be found? or is there a different way to play dvds? |
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| 01:24.27 | dug | is anyone bored enough to consider themselves in a helpful mood? |
| 01:24.28 | Initial_KK | it doesn't start |
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| 01:24.38 | Nexus | mentor1, Ok. Try this on for size. The bind install in debian has left me completely confused. Where are zone files supposed to go? |
| 01:24.46 | mentor1 | Initial_KK: Yes, I gathered that much. |
| 01:24.56 | X-Bull | Hello |
| 01:25.00 | nvz | dug: ask your question |
| 01:25.01 | mentor1 | Nexus: master zones? slave zones? root zones? |
| 01:25.08 | mentor1 | ~Tell dug about ask |
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| 01:25.21 | Nexus | mentor1, All zones. Master mainly. |
| 01:25.28 | X-Bull | Anyone running Debian on a laptop ? |
| 01:25.38 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
| 01:25.41 | Fluten | X-Bull, i am |
| 01:25.44 | WiFiTux | X-Bull, everyone |
| 01:25.44 | mentor1 | dags: Debian can't legally distribute libdvdcss. marillat.free.fr has one IIRC. google be your friend. |
| 01:25.44 | Arnox | Hey, does anyone know why the nvidia-kernel for the 2.6 kernel is not in the official repositories? |
| 01:25.48 | Miravlix | Works fine, why? |
| 01:26.02 | X-Bull | I can't get DNS working on Debian |
| 01:26.04 | mentor1 | nextime: /etc/bind/; slave zones go in /var/lib/bind (iirc) |
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| 01:26.17 | Fluten | X-Bull, server or client? |
| 01:26.26 | WiFiTux | X-Bull, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:26.30 | rares000 | !marillat |
| 01:26.30 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main". |
| 01:26.31 | green-earz | Initial_KK: check the sarge netinstaller 110 meg http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ and have a read of this howto for help with xserver setup http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 01:26.34 | X-Bull | I put my ISP nameserver numbers in to /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 01:26.41 | mentor1 | X-Bull: Can you ping them? |
| 01:26.41 | X-Bull | and then I use wvdial |
| 01:26.44 | regeya | remember, dags, here in the ol' U.S. of A., those of us who use Linux but just want to view their DVDs on a higher-res screen like their monitor are BREAKING THE LAW. |
| 01:26.47 | X-Bull | No |
| 01:26.48 | dags | mentor1: okeys, i forgot about that site :) |
| 01:26.49 | regeya | it's asinine, but true. |
| 01:26.57 | X-Bull | It claims it can't resolve DNS |
| 01:26.58 | gbdrbobAFK | I asked a question on the channel about 6 hours ago. The answer is at http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail/ thanks for your help guys :-) |
| 01:27.05 | mentor1 | regeya: Those of us who want to use the copy we own, are criminal. |
| 01:27.17 | dags | regeya: oops |
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| 01:27.19 | Miravlix | X-Bull: cat /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 01:27.25 | mentor1 | X-Bull: Can you ping them? |
| 01:27.37 | X-Bull | No I can't ping them at all |
| 01:27.41 | X-Bull | DNS just hangs |
| 01:27.47 | X-Bull | maybe I have a bad install |
| 01:27.47 | mentor1 | X-Bull: OK. well that's not a DNS issue. that's a routing issue. |
| 01:27.52 | WiFiTux | X-Bull, can you connect at all in any way!? how? |
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| 01:27.57 | mentor1 | X-Bull: Do you have a default route? |
| 01:28.04 | mentor1 | X-Bull: man route. |
| 01:28.12 | X-Bull | No I can't connect I am using FreeBSD right now |
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| 01:28.19 | regeya | mentor1, that stinks, too. I have a DVD-ROM drive that came with licensed software, which won't work in the OS I choose to use. I've paid for the DVDs I put in my DVD-ROM drive. Yet I'm still stealing, apparently. |
| 01:28.20 | WiFiTux | X-Bull, bug of!! |
| 01:28.20 | Initial_KK | why everyone is telling me install sarge netinstaller?? |
| 01:28.32 | X-Bull | WiFiTux, WTH ? |
| 01:28.36 | erik | hahaha |
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| 01:28.45 | Miravlix | Initial: Because it's nice. |
| 01:28.50 | regeya | there's a special place in hell for Anti-Freedom zealots |
| 01:28.51 | Initial_KK | how? |
| 01:28.52 | WiFiTux | !moron X-Bull |
| 01:28.53 | dpkg | X-Bull: You are moron #12 |
| 01:28.57 | dug | I'm getting a message eth0:Setting half-duplex based on MII #32 link partner ability of 0000 message ... what's this ll about then? |
| 01:29.03 | Initial_KK | !sarge |
| 01:29.03 | dpkg | Fall in! Ten-HUT! Sarge is the new 'testing' version of Debian, which will become stable soon. You can help test it: ask me about "d-i" or see the #debian-boot topic. ask me about <sarge stable> |
| 01:29.05 | Miravlix | Really wish Sarge stuff was availble after install it has lots of nice features |
| 01:29.07 | mentor1 | regeya: Payment is irrelevant. If you legally own a copy of something, you should be able to do with it as you like, except distribute copies of it. |
| 01:29.11 | X-Bull | FreeBSD quantum.fireball.lan 5.2.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Aug 5 07:00:02 EDT 2004 root@:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/POWELL i386 |
| 01:29.16 | X-Bull | Well at least it works |
| 01:29.24 | X-Bull | Better documentation than Linux |
| 01:29.25 | mentor1 | WiFiTux: Calm down. |
| 01:29.25 | regeya | heh |
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| 01:29.30 | Initial_KK | <sarge stable> |
| 01:29.35 | Emptied | I have a Debian install I need to clone across about 12 servers. 'df' reports the install at a touch over 700m. The servers have slightly divergent hardware, but the kernel I am using is known to work on all of them. I have hunted but I am having trouble finding a good solution. The only difference(aside from hardware) between the servers are eth0+1 IPs, /var/qmail/control/me and /etc/hostname. |
| 01:29.41 | X-Bull | and compiling a kernel is so much easier on FreeBSD |
| 01:29.42 | WiFiTux | mentor1, is this #freebsd :/ |
| 01:29.45 | regeya | X-Bull: fairly standard FreeBSD trolling, but heh, how do you like 5.2, anyway? |
| 01:29.46 | X-Bull | you should try it |
| 01:29.47 | green-earz | Initial_KK: http://www.linuxbeta.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=59&slide=1 |
| 01:29.49 | regeya | oh now you're lying |
| 01:30.01 | regeya | I've lost all respect |
| 01:30.09 | mentor1 | WiFiTux: Ummm, well, he was askign a question about Linux. |
| 01:30.10 | regeya | you've lost all credibility now, X-Bull |
| 01:30.11 | initech | X-Bull: ok, i'll bite, what the hell is better about the documentation? |
| 01:30.14 | X-Bull | regeya, It's great I can't wait until 5.3 comes out |
| 01:30.28 | WiFiTux | mentor1, this ain't #linux! :) anyway... |
| 01:30.30 | mentor1 | X-Bull: No, soapboxing. |
| 01:30.31 | regeya | nevermind, X-Bull, your nick tells me what you're full of... |
| 01:30.36 | mentor1 | s/,// |
| 01:30.45 | X-Bull | initech, Read the FreeBSD Handbook it's in /usr/share/doc |
| 01:30.50 | Arnox | Does anyone know why there are no 2.6 nvidia-kernel debs on the official repositories? |
| 01:30.52 | mentor1 | initech: Don't feed the trolls. |
| 01:30.57 | X-Bull | Where's the Debian Handbook ? |
| 01:31.00 | Initial_KK | thx a lot green-earz that's what i need |
| 01:31.06 | WiFiTux | X-Bull, try connecting with debian and we can help you if you have a dns problem. |
| 01:31.07 | mentor1 | ~tell X-Bull about dug |
| 01:31.11 | initech | X-Bull: bullshit. summarize please, if you want to spout shit |
| 01:31.24 | mentor1 | WiFiTux, initech: final qarning. |
| 01:31.26 | Emptied | Arnox: I'd bet because they are binaries and GNU |
| 01:31.27 | mentor1 | s/q/w/ |
| 01:31.36 | green-earz | Initial_KK: thats ok and all the best |
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| 01:31.43 | X-Bull | initech, Get a copy of FreeBSD and you will see |
| 01:31.46 | regeya | I'll agree that the FreeBSD handbook rocks, and that it's a breese to install. But anyone claiming that building the FreeBSD kernel is easier to build than the Linux kernel probably hasn't built a Linux kernel anytime in the 2.x days |
| 01:31.52 | X-Bull | The documentation is primo |
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| 01:32.00 | regeya | and the 2.x days have been around for a while now |
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| 01:32.03 | WiFiTux | mentor1, I'm not fighting here... np... |
| 01:32.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 01:32.18 | initech | X-Bull: not good enough. If you want to complain and whine, at least say something useful |
| 01:32.27 | nvz | X-Bull: stop trolling. I've used freebsd and I am sure others have too, but this is not #freebsd, its #debian. |
| 01:32.33 | initech | X-Bull: debian has plenty of docs |
| 01:32.35 | X-Bull | anyway I might have to reinstall RedHat |
| 01:32.43 | X-Bull | PCMCIA kernel |
| 01:32.46 | Sandman | "You have received an invalid certificate. Please contact the server administrator or email correspondent and give them the following information: Your certificate contains the same serial number as another certificate issued by the certificate authority. Please get a new certificate containing a unique serial number." |
| 01:32.47 | peterS | X-Bull: good luck, dude |
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| 01:32.56 | Sandman | What to do? |
| 01:33.04 | nvz | peterS: dude, dude, hey dude. |
| 01:33.09 | regeya | X-Bull: I'll agree, even though you're not being truthful, that FreeBSD rocks. initech, you're a typical biter. Children, chill. :-D |
| 01:33.11 | peterS | nvz: Dude! |
| 01:33.20 | mentor | hmmm. |
| 01:33.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*X-Bull@1.2-177-216.bed.freedialup.org.dialup.G4.Net] by mentor |
| 01:33.39 | WiFiTux | So SCO set the lawsuit again, huh... |
| 01:33.40 | *** kick/#debian [X-Bull!~matthew@mentor.user] by mentor (mentor) |
| 01:33.47 | nvz | there's the real mentor ;) |
| 01:33.53 | mentor | ok... |
| 01:34.03 | mentor | My +q was correct? |
| 01:34.04 | WiFiTux | wow, first time I see someone get kicked here... |
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| 01:34.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!~initech@scatterbolt.r00tserverz.net] by mentor |
| 01:34.21 | regeya | interesting...figured I'd find the x-bull in #freebsd. no. |
| 01:34.33 | mentor | hmm. |
| 01:34.38 | mentor | quiet isn't working. |
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| 01:35.05 | regeya | ? |
| 01:35.11 | mentor | I told him to stop. |
| 01:35.28 | regeya | stop what? oh, you were still seeing messages from initech? |
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| 01:35.35 | Emptied | Time is an issue for this project, so my gut tells me some kind of boot CD to fdisk to my liking, untar an archive of /(- /dev /proc) and run a script to set IPs and hostnames. All will be attached to the same NFS server so I can just untar over NFS if I can get a base going. Any better ideas or projects out there? |
| 01:35.40 | WiFiTux | After reading all the SCO crap, you guys think they have a remote chance of winning? If this is not the place to talk about this, I'll shut up |
| 01:35.42 | daggie | kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-646c, errno = 8 |
| 01:35.48 | daggie | has anyone seen that before? |
| 01:36.00 | mentor | regeya: Were you seeing messages from initech? |
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| 01:36.06 | regeya | nope |
| 01:36.15 | regeya | weird |
| 01:36.15 | mentor | ah. |
| 01:36.18 | mentor | enlightenment. |
| 01:36.19 | peterS | daggie: binfmt-646c - that's an odd one |
| 01:36.30 | peterS | daggie: I thought for a moment it was ELF, but that would be binfmt-656c |
| 01:36.32 | mentor | ops can see +q'ed people's messages. |
| 01:36.34 | user01 | my system's audio seems to be randomly failing |
| 01:36.39 | regeya | heh...oh well. |
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| 01:36.55 | mentor | Umm, can I have a victim? |
| 01:36.58 | initech | mentor: what the hell was that for? |
| 01:37.00 | peterS | mentor: me, me |
| 01:37.05 | nvz | mentor: sure ;) |
| 01:37.07 | regeya | I think one just joined |
| 01:37.08 | peterS | mentor: I've never been +q'd here before |
| 01:37.10 | daggie | peterS: yeah its strange |
| 01:37.15 | mentor | initech: I told you to stop feeding the trolls. |
| 01:37.21 | daggie | cant solve it, uses 12 hours on it now |
| 01:37.32 | initech | mentor: you are abusing op status big time |
| 01:37.57 | user01 | for example: tuxracer warning: Warning: Couldn't set 22050 Hz 16 bit audio Reason: No available audio device |
| 01:37.57 | peterS | initech: you didn't see his warning? |
| 01:38.01 | Emptied | initech: call the Federal IRC Oversight Committee |
| 01:38.04 | nvz | I wondered about that myself, but you were definanly feeding a troll |
| 01:38.04 | peterS | initech: I should say, *either* of his two warnings? |
| 01:38.07 | mentor | initech: I told you to stop. I gave you a final warning. You continued. You were kciked. |
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| 01:38.15 | TestiCalls | i've converted a .rpm to .deb... now what? |
| 01:38.18 | daggie | so anyone able to help me with that? |
| 01:38.25 | initech | mentor: thanks, daddy |
| 01:38.27 | Initial_KK | green-earz: a problem from that site, I think it install other kernel beside 2.4 right, but I need a 2.4 kernel |
| 01:38.32 | WiFiTux | TestiCalls, dpkg -i package |
| 01:38.46 | regeya | initech: first a biter, now flaming the op. how...suspicious. |
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| 01:39.03 | mentor | peterS: Can you cycle for me? |
| 01:39.04 | initech | regeya: i'm hardly "flaming" |
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| 01:39.22 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!~peterS~@adsl-67-67-232-221.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by mentor |
| 01:39.28 | regeya | initech: it's IRC. I have to wonder why you're getting worked up. you're back this soon, aren't you? |
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| 01:39.49 | peterS | ping? |
| 01:39.50 | user01 | and then xmms works but it says "libmikmod.so.2 cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory |
| 01:39.52 | initech | but just amusing myself by accepting a dumb troll seems hardly a reason to be banned |
| 01:40.09 | TestiCalls | wifitux it shows that error processing... trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 01:40.22 | nvz | initech: in a channel this large after being asked to stop its plenty reason enough. |
| 01:40.33 | mentor | initech: And again. Stop now please. |
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| 01:40.35 | peterS | mentor: cool, never got to experience a +b before |
| 01:40.38 | regeya | besides, we're getting off topic. you could have had your little tizzie via /msg with the moron. since I don't want to have some asinine argument with some pre-teen, I'll just invoke /ignore. |
| 01:40.39 | WiFiTux | TestiCalls, what are you installing? did you try with apt-get? |
| 01:40.41 | mentor | peterS: haha. |
| 01:40.47 | nvz | if everyone in here went off on a tangen at once it would be a disaster |
| 01:40.49 | green-earz | Initial_KK: you mean the slide show site, will be installing the 2.4 kernel it the default for sarge |
| 01:40.55 | TestiCalls | im installing ati firegl z1 128 drivers |
| 01:40.55 | daggie | kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-646c, errno = 8 |
| 01:40.58 | daggie | anyone? |
| 01:40.59 | nvz | or just another sunday in #debian |
| 01:41.00 | TestiCalls | they came in a rpm package |
| 01:41.07 | peterS | nvz: not here, yet |
| 01:41.09 | TestiCalls | but i read through google that debian prefers debs |
| 01:41.12 | initech | nvz: ? heh, the channel is nothing but! |
| 01:41.25 | TestiCalls | that and i got a msg from cmd that says to use alien to convert |
| 01:41.38 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!~initech@scatterbolt.r00tserverz.net] by mentor |
| 01:42.00 | user01 | oh i see what that command does now... |
| 01:42.06 | Initial_KK | that's a screenshot for sarge?? |
| 01:42.11 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!~initech@scatterbolt.r00tserverz.net] by mentor |
| 01:42.16 | green-earz | Initial_KK: you can install the 2.6 kernel from the start of a sarge install by typing linux26 at the first prompt of the install |
| 01:42.17 | Initial_KK | I think I'm using woody |
| 01:42.47 | mentor | peterS: OK. Can I try a quiet too? |
| 01:43.09 | green-earz | Initial_KK: did you install from cds ? then that will be woody i bet |
| 01:43.18 | jorgp_ | where is a good place to find the lastest updated info and the holdups of sarge? |
| 01:43.25 | peterS | mentor: sure |
| 01:43.27 | TestiCalls | any ideas wifitux |
| 01:43.36 | user01 | anyway...i cant seem to figure it out...i sometimes have open_gl errors in quake 3 which i know works and then in quake3 and tuxracer sometimes the sound doesnt work and i get sound dropped errors |
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| 01:43.43 | Miravlix | With sarge apt-getting apt-listbugs is a good idea |
| 01:43.55 | Initial_KK | is sarge really easy and not much problems that woody? |
| 01:44.03 | Initial_KK | to install |
| 01:44.13 | nvz | peterS: its about time someone shut you up ;) |
| 01:44.18 | Miravlix | Sarge installer is great, but it's still in development |
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| 01:44.24 | jorgp_ | woody is very easy to install |
| 01:44.24 | mentor | peterS: And again? |
| 01:44.31 | user01 | Miravlix: my sound problem is with sarge |
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| 01:44.56 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!~peterS~@adsl-67-67-232-221.dsl.wchtks.swbell.net] by mentor |
| 01:45.02 | mentor | peterS: Did you speak a second time? |
| 01:45.09 | peterS | mentor: I said a few things there |
| 01:45.20 | Miravlix | user01: In my case CDROM didn't work under sarge after install and 2.6 kernel. |
| 01:45.24 | mentor | OK. So ops can talk to quieted people. |
| 01:45.34 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!~initech@scatterbolt.r00tserverz.net] by mentor |
| 01:45.43 | TestiCalls | hello can someone help |
| 01:45.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 01:45.54 | user01 | Miravlix: its like my sound randomly fails |
| 01:45.54 | peterS | mentor: yeah, I said 3 lines while my +q was active. I don't know if anyone heard them |
| 01:45.59 | mentor | I'm still confused as to how initech got past the ban though. |
| 01:46.03 | mentor | peterS: I go thte first. |
| 01:46.08 | green-earz | Initial_KK: sarge is easyer to install and are you a dsl user if so go for the sarge net installer |
| 01:46.10 | mentor | * peterS attempts to speak |
| 01:46.39 | peterS | right, after that I also said <peterS> nvz: can you hear me *now*? ("good!") <peterS> mentor: isn't my +q still on? |
| 01:46.47 | user01 | Miravlix: and mp4 video is fine but audio doesnt work on those video files |
| 01:47.01 | dondelelcaro | mentor: if you're +o, you see what people who are +q say, apparently... |
| 01:47.01 | mentor | peterS: Thanks for the help. |
| 01:47.05 | peterS | no problem |
| 01:47.09 | mentor | dondelelcaro: Yeah, we got that far ;) |
| 01:47.24 | dondelelcaro | mentor: yeah, I hadn't noticed it before... might be a new feature |
| 01:47.28 | mentor | dondelelcaro: Can you see how initech walked through my ban. |
| 01:47.31 | mentor | ?? |
| 01:47.34 | mentor | ag. |
| 01:47.37 | green-earz | Miravlix: did you install a kernel image or from kernel source ? |
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| 01:48.37 | user01 | and with my mp4 video's audio not working...i cant watch my war video footage :( |
| 01:48.42 | dondelelcaro | mentor: it was working, as far as I can tell... |
| 01:48.57 | user01 | well i can watch but without audio... |
| 01:49.12 | TestiCalls | can someone help out.. i've converted a .rpm file to a .deb now that i run dpkg i get an error that i try to overwrite something |
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| 01:49.25 | mentor | dondelelcaro: Ah. was it removed when I set -q initech? |
| 01:49.27 | dondelelcaro | TestiCalls: what are you trying to installed? |
| 01:49.31 | dondelelcaro | mentor: I think so... |
| 01:49.32 | TestiCalls | a driver |
| 01:49.39 | TestiCalls | ATI FireGL Z1 |
| 01:49.52 | TestiCalls | should i go off of xserver and try again? |
| 01:50.05 | dondelelcaro | TestiCalls: assuming it's trying to overwrite the Xserver driver only, you can use --force-overwrite |
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| 01:50.19 | TestiCalls | thanks dondelecaro |
| 01:50.40 | dondelelcaro | TestiCalls: but you should dpkg-deb -c foo.deb; first, to make sure it's not doing something stupid. |
| 01:50.55 | dondelelcaro | TestiCalls: it should only be providing something in /usr/X11/lib/drivers/ or similar |
| 01:50.58 | mentor1 | nexus: making progress? |
| 01:50.59 | FieldySnuts | sunday approacheth |
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| 01:51.10 | Dark_Ninja | So, I'm new to Debian. (Knoppix, actually.) |
| 01:51.23 | kaplanfx | Dark_Ninja: /topic |
| 01:51.32 | nvz | FieldySnuts: and you're already here.. darn.. hehe |
| 01:51.38 | Dark_Ninja | Is there a tutorial that could help me out with things like upgrading software, installing new software, and removing software? Things like that? |
| 01:51.46 | Dark_Ninja | kaplanfx: Oh. Okay. |
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| 01:51.55 | kaplanfx | Dark_Ninja: try #knoppix |
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| 01:52.03 | Dark_Ninja | kaplanfx: Okay. Thanks. |
| 01:52.08 | mentor1 | !knoppix |
| 01:52.09 | dpkg | knoppix is probably a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based mostly on Debian testing. It has almost 2GB in compressed volume, works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/knoppix.php, /join #knoppix for knoppix-specific stuff. Not Debian but similar. |
| 01:52.28 | mentor1 | Dark_Ninja: Or: /topic |
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| 01:52.34 | green-earz | Dark_Ninja: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
| 01:52.35 | kaplanfx | Dark_Ninja: try debian though, its good |
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| 01:53.02 | Dark_Ninja | kaplanfx: Yeah...but, I love how Knoppix detected everything. I don't want to compile my own kernel -- I don't know enough about the computer that I'm putting Linux on. |
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| 01:53.16 | holo | aha knoppix-std nao esta no bot |
| 01:53.52 | holo | *aha knoppix-std isn't in the bot database |
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| 01:53.56 | holo | :s |
| 01:54.21 | regeya | you could always try a prebuilt kernel + discover, Dark_Ninja. |
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| 01:55.12 | nvz | holo: hablomos ingles aqui. gracias. Hispanohablantes por favor usen #debian-es. |
| 01:55.20 | holo | regeya, agreed, and testing already comes with 2.6.3 if i'm not mistaken.. wich is recent |
| 01:55.45 | holo | nvz, grr i'm not spanish |
| 01:55.51 | kaplanfx | the new installer has pretty good hardware detection |
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| 01:55.59 | nvz | holo: you were speaking protugese, or spanish or something |
| 01:56.01 | marlboro | hi |
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| 01:56.16 | WiFiTux | Question, I have my apt.conf which was just changed and i added the proxy line for my University. I'm trying to commnet it out to use apt at home but it's giving me an error, any idea on how could i comment out? |
| 01:56.29 | kaplanfx | # |
| 01:56.30 | nvz | holo: hell if I know, I havent studied any languages in years, and I learned so many, they are all the same to me |
| 01:56.36 | holo | nvz, portuguese.. i prefer english to spanish |
| 01:56.40 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, I tried that |
| 01:56.42 | regeya | and portugal portuguese at that |
| 01:56.44 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: put a # at the beginning of the line |
| 01:56.52 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: well whats your error then? |
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| 01:57.07 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, Syntax error ::2 |
| 01:57.07 | cafuego | isn't portugal portugese crap compared to brazilian portugese? |
| 01:57.14 | regeya | seriously, what's the difference between portuguese and brazilian portuguese...dangit cafuego |
| 01:57.17 | initech | cafuego: oh my |
| 01:57.17 | TestiCalls | i would hope that ati is smart enough not screw up a persons computer |
| 01:57.19 | TestiCalls | we'll see |
| 01:57.21 | nvz | holo: portugese seems like spanish to me, I understand it, and I never learned portugese, only Spanish, French, Italian, German, and Latin |
| 01:57.24 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: thats when you run apt-get udpate? |
| 01:57.26 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:2: Unsupported directive 'acquire::http::proxy' |
| 01:57.28 | kaplanfx | update rather |
| 01:57.39 | cafuego | nvz: Portugese has a lot of 'ao' - spanish doesn't. |
| 01:57.41 | kaplanfx | WiFiTux: is this a laptop? |
| 01:57.48 | WiFiTux | kaplanfx, yesss... |
| 01:57.56 | regeya | nvz: take a look at italian sometime. my only other language is bad spanish (not much spanish) and I understand more italian than portuguese ;-D |
| 01:58.07 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 01:58.14 | kaplanfx | I was just wondering |
| 01:58.15 | nvz | cafuego: so if I just speak spanish with the ao sound in there alot I can pass as brazillian? |
| 01:58.22 | kaplanfx | otherwise I was going to suggest taking the line out |
| 01:58.24 | initech | itaian is beautiful |
| 01:58.25 | regeya | haha |
| 01:58.25 | TestiCalls | por que tienen que peliar sobre idiomas? |
| 01:58.25 | dan2 | while using shorewall, packets can get from local network through the gateway machine, however, the gateway machine is unpingable and can not do connections itself |
| 01:58.43 | kaplanfx | I dunno, I've never added that to my apt |
| 01:58.52 | holo | nvz, its not even close.. becouse spanish just can't speak other languages, and portuguese can adapt to most languages |
| 01:58.55 | WiFiTux | k |
| 01:59.02 | regeya | o_O |
| 01:59.10 | user01 | initech: you've obviously never had an angry italian woman yelling at you :p |
| 01:59.19 | caphuso | finally persistent ielm history |
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| 01:59.25 | initech | user01: hah! that is beautiful too! |
| 01:59.27 | holo | they come to portugal and they assume we must speak spanish .. irritating haaa |
| 01:59.43 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, any idea how can I comment a line in apt.conf? # does not work. |
| 01:59.53 | nvz | regeya: heh, yeah well in like 7th grade we had to take 6 weeks courses on German, Latin, Spanish and French, I studied spanish about 3 years after that, and some italian on my own. I dont remember much, I do better at reading it then anything else |
| 01:59.57 | holo | italian is cool |
| 01:59.59 | holo | :) |
| 02:00.09 | user01 | portuguese has too many weird nasal sounds...but the portuguese chicks are hot ;) |
| 02:00.18 | daggie | kmod: failed to exec /sbin/modprobe -s -k binfmt-646c, errno = 8 |
| 02:00.26 | daggie | it comes when i boot up |
| 02:00.31 | WiFiTux | user01, spanish is harder to learn that port. |
| 02:00.47 | WiFiTux | user01, and the hot one's are brazilian. |
| 02:00.47 | holo | user01, they may be hot, but spanish are easier |
| 02:00.55 | user01 | WiFiTux: writing or speaking? |
| 02:01.05 | WiFiTux | speaking could say. |
| 02:01.16 | initech | i need to learn spanish, just so I can be marketable after leaving the country when dipsh*t gets reelected |
| 02:01.17 | holo | brasilian have the coolest butts |
| 02:01.24 | nvz | initech: heh |
| 02:01.26 | user01 | holo: I had a portugeuse gf once...the most difficult ive ever had :P |
| 02:01.27 | regeya | something people need to understand about americans...I can drive several hundred miles and I'm still in an english-speaking country. hell, I can cross the northern border and still run into a mostly english-speaking country. is it any wonder most of us speak only one language? |
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| 02:01.42 | user01 | but she was pretty hot :) |
| 02:01.42 | holo | user01, what is gf? |
| 02:01.46 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: // and /**/; actually. |
| 02:01.51 | user01 | holo: girlfriend |
| 02:01.55 | holo | ha |
| 02:01.57 | regeya | and some people from quebec claim that they don't speak french. :-P |
| 02:02.11 | nvz | initech: I am living down here in Texas right now.. where dipshit spends his days chasin amadilla's in the woods |
| 02:02.14 | holo | user01, agreed! |
| 02:02.19 | regeya | they'd probably make fun of a southern American for saying "speak American" though |
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| 02:02.33 | initech | nvz: would he only get leprosy from one |
| 02:02.33 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, so put the whole command into /blbla/ |
| 02:03.12 | user01 | why are portuguese women so difficult, holo? :) |
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| 02:03.33 | holo | user01, i don't know .. i'm am yet to discover |
| 02:03.36 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, a / in the beggining did it. Thanks. |
| 02:03.40 | nvz | initech: I'd be happpy if he would just not cheat again |
| 02:03.41 | initech | brazilian women are really something, dunno about portugeuse |
| 02:03.42 | holo | user01, but i have some theories |
| 02:04.25 | nvz | initech: seen the jibjab cartoons? |
| 02:04.37 | user01 | holo: well at least its not a cultural thing...i was afraid maybe it was just something i didn't understand but as long as portuguese men dont understand them either...i feel better ;) |
| 02:04.39 | initech | nvz: just the famous one |
| 02:04.40 | holo | i think one reason is becouse portugal is a country of strong family values and very conservative |
| 02:04.54 | Condector | osl |
| 02:04.57 | initech | spain is general is very leftist |
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| 02:05.02 | nvz | initech: oh well there was one from last year too, and one with clinton making weed brownies |
| 02:05.09 | initech | nvz: lol |
| 02:05.20 | nvz | initech: had Al Gore and GWB rapping and you be the DJ |
| 02:06.02 | user01 | holo: yeah mine didnt like that i wasn't planning to get a dog and have a family with a home somewhere in the sububs |
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| 02:06.23 | initech | the CNT in spain has several hundred thousand members, and it is like the IWW in america, which has about 900 members |
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| 02:06.46 | user01 | holo: but i did get a dog! |
| 02:06.50 | holo | user01, LOL |
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| 02:08.58 | mjbb81 | green-earz you told me to download a test version of debian. Is it stable? |
| 02:09.01 | TestiCalls | how can i edit a file through cmd prompt? |
| 02:09.19 | nvz | TestiCalls: you mean non-interactively? |
| 02:09.23 | TestiCalls | right |
| 02:09.24 | peterS | TestiCalls: write an ed script, I suppose, or use 'sed -i' |
| 02:09.29 | initech | TestiCalls: nano. ae. vi, emacs |
| 02:09.32 | directhex | mjbb81, moreso than "stable" versions of mandrake, fedora, etc |
| 02:09.33 | nvz | ysothoth: echo, sed, awk, grep... etc |
| 02:09.35 | TestiCalls | nano what? |
| 02:09.37 | TestiCalls | what's the command |
| 02:09.43 | TestiCalls | i've been playing with it but im dumb |
| 02:09.43 | holo | TestiCalls, is your nick some part of the sexual organ? |
| 02:09.48 | nvz | ysothoth: echo, cat, sed, awk, grep... etc |
| 02:09.55 | initech | TestiCalls: nano <filename> |
| 02:09.58 | nvz | TestiCalls: use redirects > and >> |
| 02:10.04 | peterS | initech: he wants to do it noninteractively |
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| 02:10.12 | peterS | initech: nano doesn't have a noninteractive mode, that I'm aware of |
| 02:10.16 | TestiCalls | ok.. i hate this case sensitivity ;( |
| 02:10.33 | initech | peterS: i think he wants something reall simple as far as I can tell |
| 02:10.37 | nvz | TestiCalls: you'll get used to it. use tab completion |
| 02:10.44 | TestiCalls | tab? |
| 02:10.50 | nvz | TestiCalls: yeap |
| 02:10.52 | user01 | holo: can you teach me some portuguese? i have a few things i still want to say to her ;) |
| 02:10.56 | nvz | TestiCalls: unless you use zsh or something |
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| 02:11.08 | nvz | TestiCalls: bash uses tab complete |
| 02:11.24 | TestiCalls | tab? as in what is tab completion? |
| 02:11.33 | holo | user01, of course! |
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| 02:11.38 | TestiCalls | btw, i've changed my mind i'll just copy over this new one with an old one |
| 02:11.43 | TestiCalls | could someone help with the command |
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| 02:11.56 | initech | TestiCalls: just tyoe something at the prompt and hit <TAB>, it will try to complete it for you |
| 02:12.02 | nvz | TestiCalls: like when I press T the press the tab key my chat program shows TestiCalls automatically because you are the only nick with a T in here right now |
| 02:12.07 | TestiCalls | o |
| 02:12.09 | TestiCalls | didn't know that |
| 02:12.10 | TestiCalls | ;) |
| 02:12.12 | TestiCalls | nice |
| 02:12.15 | user01 | holo: thanks! |
| 02:12.44 | holo | user01, what do you want to know? |
| 02:12.55 | nvz | TestiCalls: I've been operating my computer doing everything you can imagine in text mode for years, its way easier once you understand things |
| 02:13.06 | TestiCalls | probably nvz |
| 02:13.09 | TestiCalls | speaking of one of those things |
| 02:13.18 | TestiCalls | you woulnd't happen to know how to copy and paste via the cmd prompt would ya? |
| 02:13.28 | maher | TestiCalls: what was your reboot problem? |
| 02:13.28 | nvz | TestiCalls: install screen |
| 02:13.32 | nvz | TestiCalls: its awesome |
| 02:13.34 | initech | TestiCalls: gpm |
| 02:13.39 | nvz | initech: bah |
| 02:13.55 | initech | ok, screen, christ |
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| 02:14.55 | frozeNET | hello... |
| 02:15.11 | frozeNET | does linux have a program to defragmantize FAT drives? |
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| 02:15.35 | initech | frozeNET: rm? :) |
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| 02:16.35 | Roaster | nice suggestion |
| 02:16.44 | nuix | tabo, tydel6 |
| 02:17.19 | spatulasnout | Hi, I've inherited a preconfigured debian stable 3.0 system, and my uname -r says "2.4.19-ac4" but all my files in /boot say "2.4.18". Is that indicitave of a discrepancy? |
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| 02:17.59 | frozeNET | hehe |
| 02:18.00 | frozeNET | i knew it |
| 02:18.06 | frozeNET | i asked to terriblest of questions |
| 02:18.11 | Zetabyte2 | *cry* none of my custom kernels work, even done the debian way. I must be leaving out some essential module accidentally. =( |
| 02:18.46 | maher | spatulasnout: that's odd |
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| 02:19.32 | maher | frozeNET: see if anything in dosfstools ca do that |
| 02:19.47 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: is it possible they are symlinks to somewhere else? what bootloader are you using? |
| 02:20.23 | maher | spatulasnout: do ls -l / and see where vmlinuz points to |
| 02:20.31 | Tweak | maher do you know much about crontab? |
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| 02:20.43 | maher | Tweak: you can ask |
| 02:20.57 | spatulasnout | mrwill_: they don't appear to be symlinks.. vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
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| 02:21.34 | maher | spatulasnout: where does lilo/grub think the kernel images are? |
| 02:21.53 | spatulasnout | mrwill_: re: bootloader, unfortunately it's a remote system in a server farm... I want to patch my kernel and am needing to be cautious <grin> |
| 02:22.03 | spatulasnout | er, maher/mrwill both, sorry |
| 02:22.10 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: well, I wasn't suggesting you reboot |
| 02:22.29 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: just thought you could take a look at bootloader's configuration files. that is harmless. |
| 02:22.50 | spatulasnout | mrwill_: oh, right, sorry... is that /etc/lilo* .... looking for them |
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| 02:23.53 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: think it's just /etc/lilo.conf, one file. |
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| 02:24.25 | gakusei | i have a problem printing using xprt with mozilla. can anybody help me? |
| 02:25.03 | spatulasnout | mrwill_: my lilo.conf says: boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hda3 (these look correct to me), and image=/vmlinuz |
| 02:25.40 | gakusei | ?? |
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| 02:25.52 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: and vmlinuz points to a 2.4.18 image. how very odd. are any other configurations specified? |
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| 02:26.09 | frozeNET | your / partition is at /dev/hda3? |
| 02:26.21 | gakusei | i have a problem printing using xprt with mozilla. can anybody help me? |
| 02:26.29 | spatulasnout | frozeNET: correct / is /dev/hda3 |
| 02:26.41 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: maybe somebody built a 2.4.19 kernel and then renamed it... |
| 02:27.04 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: not that that makes any sense at all to do, but you are running it somehow. |
| 02:27.14 | spatulasnout | mrwill: i don't see evidence of alternate configurations... |
| 02:27.30 | gakusei | please |
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| 02:27.59 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: well, if not in that file, don't exist. |
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| 02:28.26 | mrwill_ | gakusei; I'm not sure what xprt is. Do you have cups installed? |
| 02:28.27 | gakusei | thank you |
| 02:28.30 | spatulasnout | mrwill: yes i guess it it's looking like the files are misnamed... it's a large dedicated server farm type outfit, i just signed up with them, and they had a debian option... i think it's not their common configuration... maybe they goofed |
| 02:28.45 | gakusei | i use unstable |
| 02:29.08 | gakusei | is a printing server that comes with xf86 |
| 02:29.18 | frozeNET | does printing work at all? |
| 02:29.34 | mrwill_ | gakusei: I've got no experience with that, my apologies. |
| 02:29.43 | mwilson | gakusei: Sure. Don't use xprt, problem solved. |
| 02:30.02 | spatulasnout | mrwill: i'm just treading carefully, because I don't have a console to select alternate boot possibilities... so if I screw up in patching my kernel, i'm locked out (i presume) |
| 02:30.22 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: so you want to build a new kernel and install it? |
| 02:30.42 | spatulasnout | mrwill: right ... i'm wanting to build a kernel with the grsecurity patch |
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| 02:31.07 | spatulasnout | mrwill: then i saw this discrepancy, and blinked :) |
| 02:31.13 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: I've built them before remotely, and walked one guy through it here. |
| 02:31.18 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: successfully. |
| 02:31.26 | spatulasnout | mrwill: awesome! <grin> |
| 02:31.28 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: but yes, that discrepancy is odd. |
| 02:31.31 | gakusei | the mozilla don't print without xprt. its printing very big for the paper type |
| 02:31.54 | mwilson | gakusei: It doesn't? Wow... all this toner on the paper here, it's all my imagination? |
| 02:32.24 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: I think we can safely do this anyway -- as long as it is a 2.4 series kernel you should be ok. |
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| 02:32.42 | mwilson | gakusei: I never knew that Mozilla couldn't print, it claimed to be doing it all this time. |
| 02:33.13 | mrwill_ | gakusei: they mock you, but you see, the real problem is that it is printing too big. |
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| 02:33.26 | nvz | mwilson: nope I sent those documents to you printer you zoof, dont you remember? |
| 02:33.29 | mwilson | Because he's using xprt. |
| 02:33.45 | mwilson | Don't use xprt, no stupid printing issues, problem solved. |
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| 02:34.10 | skyrat | allo |
| 02:34.12 | spatulasnout | mrwill: cool! . . . so far i'd just begun following the steps on http://www.debianhowto.de/howtos/en/grsecurity/c_grsecurity.html |
| 02:34.18 | kelan | does anyone know of a program that can run in the background like a daemon, watching X for a window with a particular title and then execute arbitrary commands? |
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| 02:35.23 | greycat | kelan: fvwm |
| 02:35.25 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: that howto looks pretty good. |
| 02:35.35 | Tweak | maher ok hehe, well I was reading all about it and I thought crontab -e is what I need to do.. but when I put the info in it doesnt seem to work. So I put it in /etc/crontab ... do u think that will work better?? |
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| 02:36.15 | kelan | greycat, can i run it as a daemon? i don't really want to replace my whole window manager |
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| 02:36.30 | greycat | then seek equivalent functionality in your (inferior ;-)) WM. |
| 02:36.41 | Tweak | maher left? |
| 02:36.49 | mwilson | greycat: I didn't figure you for a fvwm user. |
| 02:36.56 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: however, I might recommend doing more careful configuration than just 'make oldconfig', a 'make menuconfig' would probably present the info in a more readable way. |
| 02:37.05 | greycat | mwilson: I've been using it for many years now |
| 02:37.20 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: the important thing is to build kernels the 'debian way' with make-kpkg, that takes care of a lot for you. |
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| 02:37.42 | holo | greycat, isn't fvwm that window manager wich is similar to windows 95? |
| 02:37.52 | holo | only in aspect of course |
| 02:37.53 | mwilson | holo: Hardly. |
| 02:37.58 | kelan | greycat, well sawfish can do window matching, but i havent found a way to make it run arbitrary commands when it finds one. just thinks like maximizing/placement/etc of the window. sigh |
| 02:38.02 | greycat | you're thinking of fvwm95. |
| 02:38.09 | nvz | holo: there is fvwm and fvwm95 |
| 02:38.22 | greycat | kelan: ask a sawfish channel |
| 02:38.26 | holo | greycat, nvz ha! that's it |
| 02:38.28 | kelan | ok |
| 02:38.32 | kelan | will do |
| 02:38.46 | nvz | sawfish rules ;) |
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| 02:38.59 | mwilson | greycat: Apparently it's important to get that keylogger fired up when whatever window it is appears. |
| 02:39.01 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: the critical thing after you have built the kernel is to get the lilo config right. |
| 02:39.13 | holo | i use big pretty beautifull huge gnome |
| 02:39.19 | holo | ahah |
| 02:40.04 | spatulasnout | mrwill: re: lilo... ok |
| 02:40.26 | mrwill_ | spatulasnout: also, should ask, did you just install a debian source package for the kernel sources? |
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| 02:41.19 | spatulasnout | mrwill: yes, i installed kernel-package and kernel-source-2.4.19 ... i have only just untarred it |
| 02:41.44 | nvz | mrwill_: you could also mention fakeroot, goes good with kernel package, and libncurses5-dev or whatever devs you need for your config method |
| 02:42.16 | mrwill_ | nvz: wasn't aware curses was required for menuconfig, but ok, sure... |
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| 02:47.37 | nvz | mrwill_: you werent aware? thats funny, you dont recognise the difference between frontends like readline, cureses, and stuff like that? |
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| 02:48.01 | TestiCalls | anyone know a depository for ati drivers for debian? |
| 02:48.12 | greycat | TestiCalls: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
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| 02:48.21 | mrwill_ | nvz: last time I looked the kernel had it's own little frontend that it would compile to show the menus, but again, you might be right. |
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| 02:48.49 | greycat | mrwill_: how is that different from "make menuconfig"? |
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| 02:48.58 | holo | hey greycat don't you want to add some bot entry for knoppix-std? i tried it and its awesome! |
| 02:49.09 | mrwill_ | greycat: that is what I am talking about, 'make menuconfig' |
| 02:49.10 | greycat | holo: /join #knoppix |
| 02:49.18 | greycat | mrwill_: it uses ncurses. |
| 02:49.20 | nvz | mrwill_: yeah it has its own frontends, and you compile them, there are curses, qt and gtk AFAIK |
| 02:49.24 | greycat | mrwill_: always has. |
| 02:49.26 | holo | greycat, -.- |
| 02:49.36 | holo | i use it as rescue system |
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| 02:49.42 | mrwill_ | greycat: ok, I stand corrected, sorry. |
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| 02:50.52 | mrwill_ | geez, get something wrong on this channel, you really get jumped on. |
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| 02:51.02 | nvz | mrwill_: I find it to be a tad overkill to use an X based kernel config, but hey, if you use make-kpkg, fakeroot, and wget you can easily make a graphical kernel compilign tool with that |
| 02:51.28 | mrwill_ | nvz: well, I think make xconfig or whatever it is is silly, but make menuconfig I like. |
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| 02:51.56 | holo | greycat, what about aclerex? there is no entry for that too.. well they have no release yet i guess |
| 02:52.07 | holo | (transgaming) |
| 02:52.08 | greycat | holo: then make one. |
| 02:52.21 | holo | greycat, if i make you add? |
| 02:52.23 | nvz | mrwill_: I like menuconfig for the most part, it misbehaves in some terminal types, and has had issues through the years |
| 02:52.36 | greycat | holo: I'm not your personal bot-translator. Do it yourself. |
| 02:53.07 | holo | greycat, ok sorry! i'll get the source |
| 02:53.16 | greycat | what the fuck. |
| 02:54.04 | holo | greycat, i can add realtime? |
| 02:54.48 | greycat | dpkg, holo is <holo> greycat, if i make you add? <greycat> holo: I'm not your personal bot-translator. Do it yourself. <holo> greycat, ok sorry! i'll get the source |
| 02:54.48 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 02:54.57 | soro_d2 | df |
| 02:55.23 | greycat | /dev/soro_d2 1000 1000 0 100% /porn |
| 02:55.50 | holo | greycat, hahaha very funny |
| 02:56.20 | holo | greycat, you forgot: <holo> greycat, i can add realtime? |
| 02:56.31 | greycat | no, I stopped at the punchline. |
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| 02:58.15 | holo | greycat, when you quit angry-mode say something -.- |
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| 02:59.11 | greycat | holo: better /ignore me, then. I'm always like this. |
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| 02:59.45 | mrwill_ | greycat: really? I remember you being mellower before. |
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| 03:00.03 | holo | greycat, nope.. your full of usefull information. |
| 03:00.37 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 03:00.47 | BOredAtWork | I'm trying to get a 2.2 install functional on an ancient Dell w/a 3c509; the driver loads okay, but ifup eth0 fails. |
| 03:01.03 | BOredAtWork | 'route' returns nothing... |
| 03:01.07 | WiFiTux | wow kernel 2.2? |
| 03:01.11 | greycat | or debian 2.2? |
| 03:01.15 | BOredAtWork | Debian 2.2. |
| 03:01.18 | WiFiTux | oh |
| 03:01.31 | BOredAtWork | (Yeah, I'm a bit behind the times) |
| 03:01.36 | mrwill_ | that's actually more of a wow than kernel 2.2 |
| 03:01.43 | hellz_hunter | i know that an old version of the 3c509 driver is broken |
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| 03:01.50 | BOredAtWork | I know this NIC functions; it worked for Debian & windows before. |
| 03:01.51 | nvz | ooh angry mode |
| 03:01.53 | greycat | or 2.2.17ish |
| 03:01.59 | WiFiTux | hehe |
| 03:02.00 | hellz_hunter | an updated kernel does the trick |
| 03:02.07 | BOredAtWork | (I think kernel is 2.2.14, perhaps? Definately a 2.2.1x) |
| 03:02.15 | nvz | get out the catnip, greycat's in angry mode |
| 03:02.20 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, if you can, give woody a shot... :) |
| 03:02.20 | nvz | heh |
| 03:02.27 | WiFiTux | make life easier... |
| 03:02.31 | BOredAtWork | Well, if I get this beast online, I'll apt-get the latest and greatest. |
| 03:02.58 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, as always, is the card supported in the kernel? |
| 03:03.13 | WiFiTux | or else can you load the drivers> |
| 03:03.13 | nvz | its time for me to go attempt an upgrade again |
| 03:03.15 | BOredAtWork | Problem is, I can't get anywhere fast, unless I get the network alive. Well, unless I break down and buy a CD, which takes the fun out of it. |
| 03:03.22 | BOredAtWork | Yeah, card's got the module loaded. |
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| 03:03.36 | BOredAtWork | Nothing odd showing in /var/log/messages; loaded okay as far as I can tell. |
| 03:03.37 | soro_d2 | seis e paia emmm |
| 03:03.40 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, and ifconfig -a ? |
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| 03:03.58 | WiFiTux | shows your eth/ |
| 03:04.01 | BOredAtWork | ifconfig -a finds it. |
| 03:04.08 | BOredAtWork | got a mac address |
| 03:04.11 | BOredAtWork | RX packets: 0 |
| 03:04.14 | BOredAtWork | RX packets: 19 |
| 03:04.20 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, can you dhcp the address? |
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| 03:04.29 | WiFiTux | dunno if potato has dhclient |
| 03:04.34 | greycat | I'd try manually assigning an IP first. |
| 03:04.40 | WiFiTux | yep |
| 03:04.48 | greycat | potato has pump and dhcp-client and dhcpcd I think |
| 03:04.52 | BOredAtWork | WiFiTux - how do I do that? |
| 03:05.08 | WiFiTux | ifconfig eth0 ip netmask ; route add default gw routerip |
| 03:05.18 | BOredAtWork | Bitchin'. Trying it now. |
| 03:05.20 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, dunno with potato dhclient eth0? |
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| 03:05.36 | WiFiTux | greycat, help me up here, does potato has dhclient? |
| 03:05.38 | greycat | or something like "pump -i eth0" |
| 03:05.53 | WiFiTux | there you go |
| 03:06.14 | soro_d2 | da |
| 03:06.15 | soro_d2 | sad |
| 03:06.15 | soro_d2 | asd |
| 03:06.16 | soro_d2 | f |
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| 03:06.17 | soro_d2 | are |
| 03:06.17 | soro_d2 | gt |
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| 03:06.23 | WiFiTux | idiot |
| 03:06.29 | BOredAtWork | That comes back with SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 03:06.43 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, what are you doing? |
| 03:06.51 | BOredAtWork | (Isn't it past bedtime, or soemthing?) |
| 03:06.52 | Fluten | he must of been using the inferior qwerty |
| 03:07.03 | Fluten | and had trouble finding the home row |
| 03:07.10 | BOredAtWork | I ran the ifconfig ... route add default gw router cmd |
| 03:07.28 | WiFiTux | are the IP's in the same range? no errors? |
| 03:07.32 | greycat | BOredAtWork: we can't diagnose your command if we can't see the actual vaules you used. |
| 03:07.40 | BOredAtWork | pump -i eth0 says: |
| 03:07.48 | greycat | "Network is unreachable" sounds like you fucked up the numbers to me. |
| 03:07.56 | BOredAtWork | "eth0: Setting Rxmode to 0 addresses. |
| 03:07.57 | WiFiTux | me too |
| 03:08.09 | BOredAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.20 | BOredAtWork | Repeats that twice... still thinking |
| 03:08.44 | BOredAtWork | THen says: "Operation failed." |
| 03:09.11 | greycat | the dhcp client in sarge is far more verbose by default |
| 03:09.17 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, time to read bud. |
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| 03:09.40 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, i don't know if there's a dhclient eth0 but give it a shot |
| 03:09.49 | TestiCalls | how can i check wat kernel version i have |
| 03:09.57 | WiFiTux | uname -a |
| 03:10.08 | TestiCalls | thanks |
| 03:10.09 | greycat | isn't that on the FRONT page of the FAQ? |
| 03:10.16 | BOredAtWork | I could have fucked up the router_ip for the 'ifconfig eth0 ip netmask ; route add default gw 198.168.1.1' |
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| 03:10.34 | WiFiTux | hahah |
| 03:10.37 | greycat | BOredAtWork: that looks wrong, yes. |
| 03:10.42 | BOredAtWork | I'm running through a router sitting under my roommate's desk; his DHCP address is 198.168.1.100 |
| 03:10.52 | greycat | BOredAtWork: check it again. slowly. |
| 03:10.58 | dpowers | anyone ever get cramfs: wrong magic followed by a kernel panic? |
| 03:11.03 | greycat | are you sure the first octet ends with "8"? |
| 03:11.09 | BOredAtWork | BUt for the life of me, stupid windows XP won't gimme a way to get the actual router's address... |
| 03:11.18 | greycat | BOredAtWork: ipconfig /all |
| 03:11.25 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, could be a linksys so, ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.150 netmask 255.255.255.0 ; route add default gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:11.51 | BOredAtWork | 'tis indeed a linksys... trying that command now |
| 03:11.53 | WiFiTux | haha 198! |
| 03:11.55 | greycat | hmm, uname isn't on the front page of the FAQ. but still... |
| 03:12.00 | fliplap | so, if i compile a kernel on this box without installing, then tar up /usr/src/linux and do make install on the slower box the kernel is meany for, will everything go alright? |
| 03:12.10 | MerlinCorey | http://www.miketaylor.org.uk/tech/wxinmfpl/debian.html <<< poor sod |
| 03:12.12 | fliplap | this box is an Athlon, the other one in a Pentium 75 |
| 03:12.27 | Phated | MerlinCorey: What's happened to him? |
| 03:12.27 | greycat | fliplap: use make-kpkg to build kernel-image deb |
| 03:12.43 | MerlinCorey | Phated: inability to downgrade from testing, it seems.. |
| 03:12.54 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oh, please. Then it's all his fault. :) |
| 03:13.03 | MerlinCorey | Phated: my thoughts exactly :) |
| 03:13.03 | fliplap | greycat: and make an installable kernel package? |
| 03:13.06 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, I don't think dns will work for you atm so trying at least pinging. |
| 03:13.10 | BOredAtWork | That command came back with "SIOCSIFNETMASK: Invalid argument" |
| 03:13.14 | MerlinCorey | Phated: 'tis a somewhat interesting read, though... |
| 03:13.20 | fliplap | greycat: I'm trying to avoid compiling anything big on the other box, since its so slow |
| 03:13.24 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oh? In that case... :) |
| 03:13.30 | greycat | fliplap: use make-kpkg to build a kernel-image deb |
| 03:13.36 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, which one? put them separate |
| 03:13.45 | fliplap | ok, i'll look into it |
| 03:13.47 | BOredAtWork | mkay |
| 03:13.59 | MerlinCorey | Phated: shows some horrid ignorance in a few places :( |
| 03:14.01 | TestiCalls | im doing the ati driver guide... and there's something there addressing: correct value for your kernel, for example something like "-1-686" for prepackaged Debian kernels. |
| 03:14.04 | fliplap | though i don't really need a kernel image deb, since its only going onto one other box |
| 03:14.09 | TestiCalls | is that like the i386? |
| 03:14.14 | MerlinCorey | definately not the sort of thing you want debian noobs to be reading, lest they follow in his footsteps... |
| 03:14.14 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: well of course it's Sunday FFS |
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| 03:14.38 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: in some time zones |
| 03:14.50 | WiFiTux | saturday here |
| 03:14.55 | WiFiTux | !sunday |
| 03:14.56 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:15.16 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Ahhhh. |
| 03:15.26 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: yeah well I figure it based on worldwide Sunday. Makes more sense to me that way |
| 03:15.28 | BOredAtWork | Okay, I take that back; misplaced a damn 255. |
| 03:15.42 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: well, it's sunday "on average" |
| 03:15.45 | MerlinCorey | Beverly Hills Cop II is *so* not Reno 911... |
| 03:15.58 | hellz_hunter | does the linux ntfs module have a 4gb file transfering limitation? |
| 03:16.04 | BOredAtWork | 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.150 netmask 255.255.255.0; route add default gw 192.168.1.1' said: |
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| 03:16.14 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, know it. |
| 03:16.16 | BOredAtWork | "eth0: Setting Rx mode to 0 addresses" |
| 03:16.24 | BOredAtWork | "eth0: Setting Rx mode to 1 addresses." |
| 03:16.26 | BOredAtWork | And that's it. |
| 03:16.31 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:16.37 | Phated | greycat: Have you not noticed the two-week long sunday (almost 3 now) that has been occurring? |
| 03:16.39 | greycat | BOredAtWork: isn't it amazing how it works when you don't fuck up the IP addresses? |
| 03:16.45 | BOredAtWork | Now, 'ifconfig' tells me I've got 192.168.1.150 |
| 03:17.07 | saranusu | Hey all this is my first time here and i need some help configuring my debian samba and proftpd servers so if anyone has anytime could they pm me and help me out lol |
| 03:17.08 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, now go to /etc/resolv.conf and figure out. |
| 03:17.12 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: yeah that's what I mean :D |
| 03:17.12 | greycat | Phated: you mean it was intelligent here 3 weeks ago? news to me. |
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| 03:17.36 | Phated | greycat: Oh, true. |
| 03:17.46 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, dunno, but think it's nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:17.52 | BOredAtWork | WiFiTux - ...? |
| 03:17.59 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, did it ping.? |
| 03:18.11 | nvz | can anyone see http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ? its showing a blank page for me |
| 03:18.11 | BOredAtWork | I can't ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:18.24 | greycat | BOredAtWork: what did the windows box have for its gateway? |
| 03:18.33 | greycat | BOredAtWork: "ipconfig /all" and/or "netstat -rn" on winxp |
| 03:18.39 | greycat | netstat -rn is the same on Unix. |
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| 03:18.44 | MerlinCorey | Phated: did you read it..? |
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| 03:18.55 | BOredAtWork | It's got 192.168.1.1 for gw on the XP box |
| 03:19.04 | greycat | BOredAtWork: can the windows box ping it? |
| 03:19.18 | saranusu | ? |
| 03:19.22 | BOredAtWork | (I don't have a light on the router at this point. how the hell can I have an IP, but not a light...? |
| 03:19.23 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oh, yes. A good strong lart is needed, IMO. |
| 03:19.25 | TestiCalls | hey did the command make-pkpg get changed? |
| 03:19.30 | MerlinCorey | Phated: agreed :) |
| 03:19.34 | Phated | MerlinCorey: :D |
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| 03:19.36 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, is the adapter up? |
| 03:19.42 | WiFiTux | I think it is... |
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| 03:19.46 | greycat | TestiCalls: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 03:19.59 | BOredAtWork | Yeah; eth0 shows up under 'ifconfig' output |
| 03:20.10 | BOredAtWork | Hrm... no light on the card, though... wtf? |
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| 03:20.45 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, can't ping it. hhmm is the adapter with the cable connected and has lights and so on? |
| 03:21.13 | BOredAtWork | No light on the NIC! |
| 03:21.35 | greycat | did you attach the cable? |
| 03:21.37 | BOredAtWork | Now isn't THAT special... how on earth can I have no lights, yet have an ip address on that nic? |
| 03:21.38 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, what do you think then? Is it a PCI adapter? |
| 03:21.42 | BOredAtWork | Yeah, cable's attached. |
| 03:21.52 | Phated | peterS: Come on, mate. "Arrrgh, matey!" is not leetspeek. |
| 03:21.54 | BOredAtWork | I'm inept, but I *can* pull cable :-) |
| 03:21.56 | WiFiTux | well wrong cable then. |
| 03:21.59 | greycat | BOredAtWork: you have an IP because you assigned one. |
| 03:22.00 | TestiCalls | hey greycat i'm following a guide on ATI Linux driver packages and this is part of the instructions... i'm suppose to run this: make-kpkg --append-to-version "-flavour" --revision 2.x.y-z --config old configure |
| 03:22.01 | peterS | Phated: not *that* kind of pirate |
| 03:22.07 | peterS | Phated: that kind doesn't exist anymore |
| 03:22.19 | peterS | Phated: the only kind that actually exists nowadays is lamer script kiddies sharing warez |
| 03:22.21 | TestiCalls | i know that the -flavour = -1-386 |
| 03:22.25 | Phated | peterS: Oh. "D00dz, 1 h4v3 w4r3z!" That? |
| 03:22.30 | peterS | Phated: yes |
| 03:22.36 | BOredAtWork | Alrighty, I'll go fetch a new patch cable. Got one here someplace... |
| 03:22.40 | TestiCalls | but i think 2.6.7-(something) is missing |
| 03:22.41 | Phated | peterS: Ahh. Conceded. |
| 03:22.51 | WiFiTux | BOredAtWork, this is my last thing. type nameserver 192.168.1.1 into /etc/resolv.conf so you can use apt-get. figure out the rest. |
| 03:22.52 | TestiCalls | would that z be a 1? |
| 03:23.05 | peterS | Phated: why people want to talk like that for a whole day is beyond me, but I guess I can play along at least for a bit |
| 03:23.08 | greycat | TestiCalls: I would never ever attempt to build fglrx driver module debs for Debian pre-compiled kernel images. I've only ever done it for *custom* kernel-image debs that I created. |
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| 03:23.16 | Phated | peterS: Oh, and why not? :) |
| 03:23.23 | TestiCalls | so what do you have in mind |
| 03:23.49 | peterS | ph4t3d: w3Ll, B3c4U53 1t g3t5 R34lLy 0Ld 4Ft3r 4 *L0t* l355 th4n 4 d4y 0f 1t |
| 03:24.25 | peterS | ph4t3d: (tH4t W45 4 t35t rUn - 1t'5 n0T tl4p d4y 1N my tz Y3t) |
| 03:24.47 | greycat | peterS: what has 8 arms, 8 legs, and 8 eyes? |
| 03:24.54 | Phated | peterS: Well, it is, but I prefer the "Arrrgh, matey!" interpretation of TLAP. |
| 03:25.00 | peterS | greycat: that's a good question |
| 03:25.02 | greycat | peterS: 8 pirates. |
| 03:25.06 | peterS | ahh |
| 03:25.07 | WiFiTux | 4 |
| 03:25.23 | fliplap | ok, trying this make-kpkg thing |
| 03:25.42 | Phated | greycat: Haha. |
| 03:25.45 | fliplap | so you think it will transfer to the slower box fine, as long as i have all of the required stuff for 2.6 |
| 03:25.49 | Phated | WiFiTux: 8. |
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| 03:26.01 | WiFiTux | Phated, why 8? |
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| 03:26.07 | WiFiTux | seriously |
| 03:26.34 | Phated | WiFiTux: One-legged, one-armed, one-eyed. |
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| 03:26.40 | Phated | I mean, they're pirates! |
| 03:26.46 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 03:26.47 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 03:26.54 | Phated | Exactly. :) |
| 03:26.55 | WiFiTux | Now I get it. |
| 03:26.57 | greycat | Phated: only in #debian would you have to *explain* that joke. |
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| 03:27.12 | Phated | greycat: *sigh* Sad, isn't it? Pass the rum, matey. |
| 03:27.27 | greycat | Phated: arrrrgh, no rum for you, missy. you're underage. |
| 03:27.27 | WiFiTux | greycat, I was thinking in something else. |
| 03:27.36 | WiFiTux | That's a geeke joke... |
| 03:27.44 | Phated | greycat: Arrgh, pass the rum, or I'll have your guts for garters. |
| 03:27.59 | peterS | greycat: rape her and take all her gold |
| 03:28.07 | WiFiTux | wuju |
| 03:28.16 | Phated | greycat: You ain't no pirate, matey. |
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| 03:28.22 | WiFiTux | DVDA? |
| 03:28.27 | az[a]zel | scallywags |
| 03:28.33 | Phated | Sorry, s/steals/pilfers/ |
| 03:28.34 | MerlinCorey | Phated: how was the birthday..? |
| 03:28.44 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Most excellent, thank you. :) |
| 03:28.46 | Phated | greycat: Heh. |
| 03:28.48 | MerlinCorey | :) |
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| 03:29.01 | az[a]zel | Phated: so you're 17 now then? |
| 03:29.07 | Nexus | I installed nagios, but didn't have mysql installed first. How do I reinstall a package? |
| 03:29.08 | Phated | az[a]zel: 16, actually. |
| 03:29.11 | MerlinCorey | Phated: what are we doing on our mind-birthday..? :P |
| 03:29.16 | MerlinCorey | err |
| 03:29.18 | MerlinCorey | s/mind/mid |
| 03:29.19 | WiFiTux | Ohh shit, we are having an earthqueake... |
| 03:29.20 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Mind-birthday? |
| 03:29.25 | WiFiTux | shit |
| 03:29.26 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oh, that. Right, when was it again? |
| 03:29.26 | az[a]zel | oh I thought you were already 16 |
| 03:29.28 | peterS | WiFiTux: cool! where? |
| 03:29.31 | Phated | WiFiTux: Take cover. |
| 03:29.40 | peterS | nah, tell us about it instead |
| 03:29.41 | WiFiTux | Costa Rica |
| 03:29.43 | MerlinCorey | Phated: I think we figured the 21-23, somewhere in there... |
| 03:29.44 | Phated | az[a]zel: I used to be 15 and increments. |
| 03:29.46 | peterS | then you might be eligible for bash.org |
| 03:29.50 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Well, when's yours? |
| 03:30.04 | WiFiTux | done, must have been a 4.8 or so... |
| 03:30.11 | Phated | That was fast. |
| 03:30.12 | Nexus | Anyone on how to reinstall nagios-mysql so it will create the mysql tables? |
| 03:30.15 | MerlinCorey | Phated: the 30th... |
| 03:30.24 | Phated | Nexus: apt-get install --reinstall nagios... |
| 03:30.25 | WiFiTux | fast? 15 seconds? |
| 03:30.29 | MerlinCorey | 23 is right in between... |
| 03:30.30 | Phated | WiFiTux: Oh. |
| 03:30.34 | WiFiTux | hehe |
| 03:30.47 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oh, true. Party in #debian-offtopic! :D |
| 03:30.48 | WiFiTux | Me build houses pretty strong here. |
| 03:30.53 | MerlinCorey | sweet... |
| 03:30.56 | Phated | :D |
| 03:31.03 | WiFiTux | I we would have an ivan here, I would do much... |
| 03:31.08 | Nexus | Phated, Thank you. |
| 03:31.08 | WiFiTux | s/I/it |
| 03:31.15 | Phated | Nexus: No worries. |
| 03:31.21 | FieldySnuts | badgerwannngg |
| 03:31.38 | peterS | snuuuts! a snuuuuuuuuuuts! |
| 03:31.42 | greycat | heh |
| 03:31.52 | WiFiTux | fuck replika |
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| 03:32.14 | RoundQube | hello all |
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| 03:32.52 | WiFiTux | :/ |
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| 03:33.56 | kingsley | Is the correct syntax for restoring a mirrored MSDOS partition: "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1"? |
| 03:34.10 | peterS | kingsley: or "cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1" |
| 03:34.16 | mjbb81 | I just installed debian. Then when it reboots during grub I get error 18. What is that? |
| 03:34.17 | peterS | kingsley: either should work fine, if they are the same size |
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| 03:34.22 | WiFiTux | cp -rf |
| 03:34.26 | peterS | WiFiTux: why? |
| 03:34.32 | WiFiTux | folders? |
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| 03:34.40 | WiFiTux | ohh it's /dev |
| 03:34.40 | peterS | WiFiTux: this is just a block device. it doesn't have folders |
| 03:34.50 | WiFiTux | sorry, yeah /dev |
| 03:34.59 | mjbb81 | I tried to install a test version. Was that a mistake? |
| 03:35.19 | Nexus | Phated, How do I see what packages I have installed? |
| 03:35.25 | Phated | Nexus: dpkg -l |
| 03:35.45 | kingsley | peterS: I considered using "cp", but 1.) my understanding is that MSDOS requires certain files to be at the beginning of the partition and 2.) "cp" with no options might lose some file attributes, like creation date. |
| 03:36.01 | peterS | kingsley: not if you're copying raw data from one block device to another |
| 03:36.03 | mjbb81 | If I get an error when I try to start using debian after install should I get a new install? |
| 03:36.03 | RoundQube | kingsley: dd is the best way to do it |
| 03:36.08 | peterS | kingsley: in that case it behaves more or less exactly like dd |
| 03:36.22 | RoundQube | mjbb81: google error 18, its easily fixable |
| 03:36.24 | peterS | RoundQube: what's the advantage of dd if=foo of=bar over cp foo bar? |
| 03:36.34 | peterS | RoundQube: other than being harder to type and remember? |
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| 03:36.55 | RoundQube | peterS: its usually the way to do it, from what i've read |
| 03:36.59 | greycat | the only difference between "dd if=/dev/foo of=/dev/bar" and "cp /dev/foo /dev/bar" is the default block size. |
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| 03:37.06 | kingsley | peterS: What's the syntax for using cp to copy raw data from one block device to another: "cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1"? |
| 03:37.11 | peterS | kingsley: yep |
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| 03:37.27 | peterS | RoundQube: dd has lots of options that control exactly how data is copied. if you aren't using any of those options, cp is much simpler to use |
| 03:37.40 | WiFiTux | !beer kingsley |
| 03:37.44 | RoundQube | if you have difficulty remembering dd, then you probably shouldn't be running linux |
| 03:37.48 | Phated | kingsley: Isn't Linux FUN? :D |
| 03:37.54 | RoundQube | heh |
| 03:37.55 | kingsley | RoundQube: WHy do you think dd is better than cp? |
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| 03:38.02 | Phated | Why? When cp works as well as dd? |
| 03:38.07 | peterS | RoundQube: but why should you have to remember dd? you don't think "cp" is an intuitive way to "copy some data from one place to another"? |
| 03:38.12 | RoundQube | kingsley: either works, i just prefer using dd |
| 03:38.18 | Phated | In this case, anyways. |
| 03:38.19 | kingsley | Phated; Oh, yeah. |
| 03:38.20 | Agrajag- | hey all, got a bit of a networking problem. i get 'destination host unreachable' when i ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.0.60. i see the corresponding lights on the hub flashing. if i ping 192.168.0.1 from 192.168.0.95, it works fine. 192.168.0.60 is a linux box, 192.168.0.1 a winxp, and 192.168.0.95 a win2k. basically the linux box can't ping anything, but the hub lights are flashing |
| 03:38.22 | Phated | kingsley: :D |
| 03:38.29 | MerlinCorey | Phated: because dd is arcane... |
| 03:38.40 | peterS | the whole myth about how dd is better than cp ... I really don't understand it. who started it? how does it propagate? |
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| 03:38.55 | RoundQube | peterS: usually through people like myself |
| 03:39.04 | Phated | peterS: It started with a question like kingsley's and propogated through people like RoundQube, |
| 03:39.10 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Ahhh. |
| 03:39.15 | peterS | Phated: arrrr, so I see |
| 03:39.20 | RoundQube | heh |
| 03:39.26 | maher | there is no myth - dd is clearly inferior |
| 03:39.32 | Phated | peterS: Arrr, matey, you're learnin'. Pass the rum. |
| 03:39.44 | peterS | Phated: keep trying. I've got no more rum for you than greycat does |
| 03:39.47 | RoundQube | are there any channels on this network specifically for gtkmm? #gtk+ is always idle |
| 03:40.05 | peterS | RoundQube: try gimpnet (irc.gimp.org) |
| 03:40.05 | MerlinCorey | Phated: dd -if= and -of= just makes you look so cool and wizardly... |
| 03:40.12 | peterS | RoundQube: they are more likely to have gtk-related channels than we are |
| 03:40.13 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oh, please. :) |
| 03:40.25 | RoundQube | peterS: k, i wasn't aware there was such a network. Thanks |
| 03:40.30 | peterS | RoundQube: np |
| 03:40.58 | RoundQube | im really starting to like gtkmm |
| 03:41.06 | Phated | What's it do> |
| 03:41.07 | WiFiTux | Fight time. |
| 03:41.07 | Phated | ? |
| 03:41.25 | Agrajag- | bugger i have no idea what's wrong with this network :/ |
| 03:41.30 | RoundQube | Phated: gtkmm = c++ wrapper for gtk+ ie: gtk-- |
| 03:41.34 | MerlinCorey | Phated: also, some older unix guides I have talk about using dd to backup your mbr... I'm not sure if cp can do the same thing... |
| 03:41.35 | Phated | peterS: You suck. :) |
| 03:41.39 | Phated | RoundQube: Ahh. |
| 03:41.42 | MerlinCorey | Phated: but I would think it can :) |
| 03:41.46 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oo. |
| 03:41.52 | Nexus | Anyone in here using nagios with debian? I can't figure out why it didn't install the tables for me like it did on another box. |
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| 03:42.08 | peterS | MerlinCorey: the MBR, probably not, because cp doesn't let you control the *amount* of data you are copying |
| 03:42.17 | MerlinCorey | ah, well, there you go... |
| 03:42.22 | MerlinCorey | the one thing DD has over cp... |
| 03:42.22 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 03:42.26 | MerlinCorey | *dd |
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| 03:42.44 | peterS | MerlinCorey: yeah. as I said already - if you need special options to control exactly how your data is copied (including how much of it), dd is better. if not ... why bother with the more arcane syntax? |
| 03:43.03 | toresbe | peterS: Do you know where the DD syntax is from? |
| 03:43.13 | peterS | toresbe: some mainframe OS, but I forget which one |
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| 03:43.42 | toresbe | peterS: IBM OS/360 |
| 03:43.50 | peterS | toresbe: sounds plausible |
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| 03:44.02 | toresbe | peterS: I have some DD punchcards :) |
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| 03:44.12 | Phated | My god! Only one degree of an OS? |
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| 03:44.16 | kingsley | peterS: Do you happen to know if cp's "-a" option, for archiving, should be used when substituting cp for dd? |
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| 03:44.37 | peterS | kingsley: if you're dumping data to and/or from block devices, like your original question, there's no need for -a or anything |
| 03:45.11 | nvz | Phated: stfu :) |
| 03:45.17 | Phated | nvz: :D |
| 03:45.30 | peterS | th3r3. my tl4P 1rC f1Lt3r 15 FullY 0p3r4t10n4L n0W |
| 03:45.41 | nvz | Phated: bla bla bla.. |
| 03:45.47 | Phated | peterS: Arrrrgh, matey, the devil take you. |
| 03:45.56 | peterS | (1F 4nY0n3 n33D5 mY 1r551 5cr1Pt, /m5g m3) |
| 03:46.02 | nvz | Phated: piggy says you talk alot |
| 03:46.09 | Phated | nvz: Bugger piggy. |
| 03:46.24 | Phated | toresbe: Eew. |
| 03:46.36 | peterS | Phated: if you didn't know, piggy is the bot that logs for debstats |
| 03:46.46 | Phated | peterS: So I heard. |
| 03:46.52 | Phated | But bugger piggy nonetheless. |
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| 03:47.04 | toresbe | And could be specified with something like "bootsplash=file" |
| 03:47.12 | toresbe | actually, it should go mainstream! |
| 03:47.14 | peterS | 1 D0nt kn0W 1f p1gGy w0uld 4ppR3c14t3 Th4t |
| 03:47.20 | Phated | toresbe: You are a weakling. |
| 03:47.26 | Phated | peterS: I'm sure he would. |
| 03:47.30 | Phated | !qotd11 |
| 03:47.30 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 03:47.33 | Phated | There. |
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| 03:48.01 | greycat | !listvals buttplug |
| 03:48.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'buttplug' by value (1 shown): buttplug #DEL#. |
| 03:48.08 | Phated | 0_0 |
| 03:48.16 | greycat | hmm... disappointing. |
| 03:48.18 | kingsley | peterS: Is my assumption correct that cp copies the partition's boot record too? |
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| 03:48.33 | greycat | kingsley: it reads the bytes, it writes the bytes. |
| 03:48.38 | peterS | kingsley: cp just copies raw data. whatever is exposed by the kernel driver behind the block device |
| 03:49.03 | peterS | kingsley: and yes, that would include the first 1024 bytes of a partition, i.e., the bootable bits |
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| 03:51.59 | mjbb81 | For error 18 - One solution is to but the /boot partition below the 1024 partition. What size should I make /? |
| 03:52.20 | kingsley | peterS: I'll also restore other data onto a bigger partition. Do you agree that I should make a FS on the big new partition and use something like "cp -a" to copy the data? |
| 03:52.53 | peterS | kingsley: yes. 'cp -ax' is even better, in case you have nested mounts, because it ignores additional mounted filesystems inside the source |
| 03:53.10 | mjbb81 | I had made partitioned / - 7 GB. |
| 03:53.17 | peterS | kingsley: so for example, "cp -ax / /mnt/backup_root" would ignore both /mnt/backup_root and /proc, for the purpose of determining what to copy |
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| 03:53.43 | kingsley | peterS: Thanks |
| 03:53.46 | peterS | Guerin: who is relex? |
| 03:53.47 | Guerin | can someone tell me why gnome sucks so much arse today |
| 03:53.52 | Phated | Guerin: Eh? |
| 03:53.53 | peterS | errr... |
| 03:53.57 | peterS | greycat: who is relex? |
| 03:53.59 | Guerin | peterS: some random who came in here |
| 03:54.02 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:54.03 | Phated | peterS: got kicked. |
| 03:54.10 | peterS | I see |
| 03:54.13 | mjbb81 | I have a 160 hard drive and the bios thinks that it is 8 GB. Is that common? |
| 03:54.25 | Phated | Defenitely not. |
| 03:54.30 | Guerin | !gnome icons |
| 03:54.32 | mrwill_ | mjbb81: well, it's wrong. |
| 03:54.33 | Guerin | grrr |
| 03:54.49 | mjbb81 | That appears to be why I have the error 18. |
| 03:54.54 | Guerin | what's ther fix for the got-no-damn-icons-in-gnome problem in sarge? |
| 03:55.04 | peterS | w00t lolzzz!!!!11 |
| 03:55.41 | mjbb81 | Can older bios accept 160 GB drives? |
| 03:55.53 | peterS | mjbb81: sometimes |
| 03:56.29 | peterS | mjbb81: it won't be able to address anything past 128 GB, and the drive may have to fool the bios into thinking that's all the capacity it has |
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| 03:57.25 | pole | what kind of program can i use to help me print pictures? |
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| 03:58.05 | cafuego | peterS: Did you just find the source for kr4d on alt.sources.games or something? |
| 03:58.30 | peterS | cafuego: nah, I hacked an irssi script to use 'eleet' and 'studly' from the 'filters' package |
| 03:58.39 | peterS | cafuego: it is talk like a pirate day, so I thought I should participate |
| 03:58.47 | maher | pole: gnome-photo-printer |
| 03:58.51 | fliplap | yay. Finally got X sorta kinda working on this cirrus gd7543 chipset |
| 03:59.06 | fliplap | ended up having to go with the VESA driver in Xfree86 4 |
| 03:59.17 | fliplap | its impossibly slow, but it works for this project |
| 03:59.25 | fliplap | since there won't be anything interactive happening in X |
| 03:59.29 | cafuego | peterS: 0h, g4G m3 w|+h 4 p|+<Hf0rK d00d! |
| 03:59.34 | peterS | cafuego: the type of pirate I have been talking like is both less annoying to listen to *and* more prevalent on the Internet than the type most people think of on this day |
| 03:59.46 | fliplap | <-- doing a digital picture frame |
| 04:00.00 | pole | maher, awesome |
| 04:00.05 | greycat | peterS: no pieces of eight for you!! |
| 04:00.20 | peterS | gr3yc4T: 1Ll 5Urv1V3 50m3h0w |
| 04:00.30 | pipeline | fliplap: Why are you using X 4.x? Also, were fbdev and svgalib not options? |
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| 04:02.10 | fliplap | pipeline: i couldn't get 16bit 800x600 to work in 3.3.6 correctly |
| 04:02.39 | fliplap | pipeline: 3.3.6 actually supports this chipset, but it shifts the entire screen to the right by ~30px. Tried to find a solution to it all day |
| 04:03.01 | fliplap | pipeline: I'm using X purely for simplicity |
| 04:03.04 | peterS | fliplap: probably a simple matter of adjusting your horizontal timings |
| 04:03.08 | fliplap | nope |
| 04:03.15 | fliplap | wouldn't work |
| 04:03.33 | fliplap | tried xvidtune, didn't accomplish anything. I'm guessing because its a laptop LCD |
| 04:04.04 | fliplap | i'm just happy I have an 800x600 16bit display now :-) Speed isn't really an issue |
| 04:04.45 | fliplap | the entire thing will really just consist of a script that sets the background of the root window to a random image from a directory |
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| 04:04.57 | fliplap | the directory will be shared via samba and a wireless card |
| 04:04.58 | usuario | hello |
| 04:05.14 | mrwill_ | usuario: hi |
| 04:05.17 | fliplap | should make for a pretty idiot proff setup |
| 04:05.20 | fliplap | proof |
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| 04:05.37 | greycat | fliplap: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ShellTricks#head-ce37c20b88aef5e8c05bf76b70b908885d108ed0 |
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| 04:06.30 | fliplap | greycat: thanks :-) I was actually going to start looking for how to select a random file :-) |
| 04:06.42 | pinkee | hello |
| 04:06.58 | usuario | I'm having trouble with xf86config on woody; after the config, startx gives me a /usr/bin/X11/X no such file or directory |
| 04:07.19 | Guerin | ok |
| 04:07.33 | Guerin | remind me to never use gnome or nautilus for anything ever again |
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| 04:07.34 | fliplap | usuario: you need to install an xserver package |
| 04:07.47 | Phated | Guerin: Yessir. |
| 04:07.51 | fliplap | agreed |
| 04:08.05 | fliplap | nautilus looks cool, but i never really found it useful. |
| 04:08.07 | usuario | fliplap, what is the packagename? |
| 04:08.18 | Guerin | you'd think one could install nautilus and run it under xfce4 and have it work |
| 04:08.20 | pipeline | fliplap: You probably needed to generate your own modelines, and that would have been unpleasant. Better to do it this way, I suspect. |
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| 04:08.25 | pinkee | i have ~3 years experience with debian and i just did a fresh install with the sarge.iso. I want to compile my own kernel that isn't using initrd, but i don't know how to get it to boot. |
| 04:08.26 | greycat | usuario: x-window-system-core |
| 04:08.28 | Phated | Guerin: But it does work, I'm using that. |
| 04:08.35 | Guerin | Phated: sarge? |
| 04:08.40 | greycat | pinkee: /msg dpkg kp |
| 04:08.41 | Phated | Guerin: Sid. Heh. |
| 04:08.52 | Guerin | Phated: did you have icon troubles? |
| 04:09.05 | Phated | Guerin: None whatsoever, it just worked. (TM) |
| 04:09.05 | Guerin | and yes, I do have gnome-icon-theme installed |
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| 04:09.29 | Phated | I just apt-get installed nautilus and that was about it. |
| 04:09.29 | giantrobot | anyone here have experience with netBSD? |
| 04:09.41 | Phated | Eh, this is #debian. |
| 04:09.42 | giantrobot | I'm curious about some simple pro/con arguments you may have about it |
| 04:09.48 | giantrobot | right |
| 04:09.51 | giantrobot | I'll switch |
| 04:09.52 | sciboy | peterS, Thanks man, the file is working perfectly now =) |
| 04:09.54 | toresbe | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:09.54 | toresbe | A friend foof mine actually wrote that he had "Linu |
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| 04:09.56 | usuario | fliplap, thank you, I didn't have that package |
| 04:10.00 | peterS | sciboy: oh yeah - I was gonna ask you about that |
| 04:10.04 | fliplap | thank greycat |
| 04:10.05 | peterS | sciboy: if you've got it safely, I'll delete it |
| 04:10.28 | Guerin | toresbe: are you drunk? |
| 04:10.56 | pipeline | giantrobot: NetBSD is, obviously, the worst thing to ever defile #debian. |
| 04:10.57 | sciboy | peterS, Yep, got it... I am thinking they should implement a feature similar to rsync except using ftp or http so people can still recover corrupted downloads. |
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| 04:11.14 | peterS | sciboy: ask doogie, I think he's written such a beast before |
| 04:11.16 | greycat | pipeline: wrong. |
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| 04:11.37 | peterS | sciboy: the idea is that you generate an rsync checksum file and put it up alongside the original file, on http |
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| 04:11.46 | florian | hi how can i start the bittorrent-gui? |
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| 04:11.55 | peterS | sciboy: then the client pulls down the checksum file, figures out what bits of the real file it needs, and grabs them via http 'ranges' |
| 04:12.06 | cafuego | giantrobot: NetBSd doesn't run very well if you installing it on scsi zip disk attached to a 25MHz m68k Mac |
| 04:12.31 | peterS | sciboy: rsync itself is a 2-way protocol, so you can't do this without *some* cooperation on the server - in this case, generating those checksum index files |
| 04:12.34 | cafuego | giantrobot: Beyond that I haven't tried it. |
| 04:12.51 | florian | what is need for bittorrent? |
| 04:13.02 | cafuego | giantrobot: If you insist on BSD, go MacOS X, otherwise use Linux. |
| 04:13.09 | sciboy | peterS, I believe Getright under windows has their "repair" feature which essentially gives the same results. |
| 04:13.25 | cafuego | florian: 'btdownloadgui <torrent file>' |
| 04:13.30 | peterS | sciboy: not without aid from the server, it doesn't. http doesn't have rsync-like features built in |
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| 04:13.50 | sciboy | peterS, Thats what i don't get... Getright does it without the aid of the server =/ |
| 04:14.01 | nuix | HiO, there, how can i let command mail send a mail to internet using command estmp instead of sendmail? |
| 04:14.01 | peterS | sciboy: one thing you *could* do is check the file integrity - for some common file types it may be possible to deduce approximately where your corruption happened |
| 04:14.02 | nuix | HiO, there, how can i let command mail send a mail to internet using command estmp instead of sendmail? |
| 04:14.28 | florian | cafuego: thanx |
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| 04:14.43 | sciboy | peterS, Oh well, thanks for helping "last night" =) |
| 04:15.38 | peterS | sciboy: no problem. I'll delete my 475 MB file now (: |
| 04:15.38 | nuix | peterS, help: how can i let command mail send a mail to internet using command estmp instead of sendmail? |
| 04:15.55 | peterS | nuix: I've never heard of 'estmp', but if it is indeed a mail transfer agent, it should provide a /usr/sbin/sendmail compatibility wrapper |
| 04:15.55 | florian | cafuego: who inclued this package ? "libindustrial.so" |
| 04:16.04 | peterS | florian: dpkg -S will know |
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| 04:16.46 | nuix | peterS, sorry, it is esmtp :) |
| 04:16.57 | peterS | nuix: I still haven't heard of it, and what I said still applies |
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| 04:17.52 | florian | peterS: thanks but he has installed but not found :-} |
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| 04:18.12 | nuix | peterS, as you said, there is such a file, thanks |
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| 04:18.33 | usuario | I have a i810 (Intel) onboard graphics card and I get "Fatal server error: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0" when i type startx, what can be the problem? |
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| 04:20.16 | nuix | peterS, when i send mails by the command mail, it says a error code 70. i dont know what it means, do you know that? |
| 04:20.22 | peterS | nuix: no |
| 04:20.53 | usuario | does knoppix have apt? |
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| 04:21.20 | peterS | usuario: probably |
| 04:21.31 | peterS | usuario: we don't support knoppix here, though, so I don't actually know |
| 04:21.54 | try_catch_this | what can I use to read linux partition files from windows? |
| 04:22.32 | peterS | try_catch_this: rumors of 'explore2fs' abound. google is your friend. |
| 04:22.49 | usuario | peterS, okay, I downloaded 3.0 r2 and it looks like my install is ancient, can I update my system to sarge? |
| 04:22.49 | peterS | try_catch_this: if you are using some other Linux filesystem other than ext2 or ext3, I do not know what windows drivers / programs exist |
| 04:23.11 | peterS | usuario: 3.0r2 would be debian, not knoppix. as such, we can help. /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 04:23.18 | r4t | http://hostleaf.com:8888 just for debian users |
| 04:23.19 | try_catch_this | I think its ex2 |
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| 04:23.40 | try_catch_this | :) |
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| 04:23.51 | Phated | YAY! |
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| 04:23.54 | subterrific | !kb |
| 04:23.54 | dpkg | i heard kb is If you mean 'kB': see 'kilobyte', but see also 'binary units' for why it can mean 1,000. If you mean 'kbit': see 'kilobit', and also 'binary units'.. Killer Bunny, , or the microsoft's Knowledge Base |
| 04:24.01 | greycat | Phated: arrrr. |
| 04:24.06 | subterrific | !kp |
| 04:24.06 | dpkg | well, kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 04:24.08 | Phated | greycat: Arrrrr. |
| 04:24.16 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Phated Arrrr |
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| 04:24.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrrrrr. |
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| 04:24.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Arrrr |
| 04:24.41 | skunk | usuario: /quit |
| 04:24.43 | Phated | Arrrr. |
| 04:25.26 | Phated | !tlap |
| 04:25.33 | Phated | You're kidding. |
| 04:25.37 | usuario | peterS, how do I dpkg from woody to sarge? the dpkg --help is overwhelming |
| 04:26.15 | peterS | usuario: which step are you having trouble understanding? there are 3 steps mentioned in the help text I pointed you to |
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| 04:26.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: arrrr me matey |
| 04:26.50 | usuario | peterS, I missed your message, print it again |
| 04:26.51 | fliplap | AR! |
| 04:26.59 | fliplap | it be talk like a pirate day! |
| 04:27.00 | peterS | usuario: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 04:27.07 | fliplap | yee salty wenches! |
| 04:27.09 | peterS | usuario: type that and 'dpkg', a bot, will give you a short summary of the steps |
| 04:27.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrrrr, where's me rum, matey? |
| 04:27.29 | nvd | help dpkg |
| 04:27.32 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: The run is gone, mate |
| 04:27.38 | usuario | peterS, oh, okay, thank you |
| 04:27.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrr, where be my rum? |
| 04:27.48 | fliplap | scarynetworkguy: where be my wenches? |
| 04:28.15 | Phated | fliplap: You be getting no wenches in #debian, for 'tis bad luck to bring a woman on board. |
| 04:28.15 | Phated | Arrr. |
| 04:28.16 | fliplap | Aye |
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| 04:28.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Even a minature one |
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| 04:28.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrr. |
| 04:28.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Arrrrr |
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| 04:28.44 | Phated | Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. |
| 04:29.02 | greycat | my ho ho? |
| 04:29.13 | fliplap | mmm ho hos |
| 04:29.25 | scarynetworkguy | Arrrrr |
| 04:29.35 | fliplap | i be needing the little debbie snack cakes arrrr |
| 04:29.39 | fliplap | ho hos arr! |
| 04:29.43 | Yaksman | shiver your timbers? |
| 04:29.53 | Yaksman | pirating SCO IP again? |
| 04:29.53 | Phated | Debbie snack cakes? What manner of devilry be that? |
| 04:30.51 | Phated | Arrrr, me matey, you be plundering the wrong ship this time. |
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| 04:32.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Arrrr |
| 04:32.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrr. |
| 04:32.30 | dag_ | anyway to fetch x.org with apt-get? |
| 04:32.41 | Phated | No, me matey, you be getting the wrong idea. |
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| 04:32.54 | Phated | x.org be not Debianised yet. |
| 04:32.58 | dag_ | ok |
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| 04:33.05 | peterS | whY n0T? L0lz |
| 04:33.06 | dag_ | but i can use it at debian right_ |
| 04:33.09 | scarynetworkguy | dag_: Arrrr not so me matey |
| 04:33.11 | Phated | Arrr, aye. |
| 04:33.18 | Phated | greycat: Aye, avast! |
| 04:33.21 | dag_ | damn pirates! |
| 04:34.00 | rares000 | wait is it the nineteenth? |
| 04:34.01 | az[a]zel | arrr Debian be a harsh mistress |
| 04:34.01 | peterS | d4G_: 1t5 0nly f0r 0n3 d4y, y0Ull B3 0K |
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| 04:34.14 | Phated | peterS: Arrrr, you be the wrong kind of pirate, matey. |
| 04:34.16 | dag_ | peterS: ? |
| 04:34.17 | dag_ | wtf? |
| 04:34.26 | peterS | dag_: that's a different way to talk like a pirate |
| 04:34.30 | dag_ | l0|_ |
| 04:34.31 | rares000 | peterS pirate not irritant |
| 04:34.32 | scarynetworkguy | Arrr that she be |
| 04:34.36 | Phated | dag_: peterS be the modern pirate. |
| 04:34.43 | dag_ | | $33 |
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| 04:34.46 | Phated | rares000: Aye, matey, you be right. |
| 04:34.54 | Phated | dag_: Arrrrr, you be the wrong pirate too. |
| 04:34.59 | greycat | Phated: nay, the true modern pirates be wearin' suits. |
| 04:35.01 | peterS | r4R35000: TrutH b3 t0lD, 1 f1nD th15 tYp3 0f p1r4t3 l355 1Rr1t4t1nG th4n t3h 0T3hr k1nD l0lzz |
| 04:35.14 | Phated | greycat: Arrr, aye. |
| 04:35.25 | Phated | Xenguy: That be today, matey. |
| 04:35.32 | peterS | x3Nguy g01Ng 0N n0W, d00d |
| 04:35.42 | dag_ | peterS: will the x.org be debianised tomorrow? |
| 04:35.48 | Phated | Arrr, no, matey. |
| 04:35.56 | peterS | dag_: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 04:36.00 | peterS | dag_: also, /msg dpkg x.org |
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| 04:36.03 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Arrrr those be dirty bilge rats |
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| 04:36.06 | peterS | dag_: between those two factoids, you should get *some* idea |
| 04:36.14 | az[a]zel | !pirate |
| 04:36.14 | Phated | Xenguy: Aye, cursed be ye for forgetting TLAP, matey. Walk the plank! |
| 04:36.14 | dpkg | well, pirate is a robber and murderer in international waters. See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy> |
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| 04:36.19 | greycat | !topicsmite dag_ |
| 04:36.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dag_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:36.25 | rares000 | arr I'd take off the me other leg if X were given unto the debian persuasion |
| 04:36.36 | Phated | Arrr. |
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| 04:36.49 | scarynetworkguy | Xeper: Arrrr you swab the poop deck |
| 04:36.54 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Aye me matey |
| 04:37.02 | dag_ | so in other words i should keep clear of xorg_ |
| 04:37.03 | dag_ | ? |
| 04:37.20 | peterS | dag_: you don't need to "keep clear". there are reasons it's not been ported to Debian yet, is all we're saying |
| 04:37.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrrr. |
| 04:37.33 | Xenguy | Jeez, so it is, er, ahem, aye, so it be, shiver me timbers! ;-) http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ |
| 04:37.36 | rares000 | x.org she be in after the great flood (sarge release) |
| 04:37.37 | dag_ | i cant unserstand you leet mojo talk := |
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| 04:37.52 | dag_ | thats why i ask |
| 04:37.59 | Phated | Xenguy: Arrrr, me matey, pass the rum! |
| 04:38.01 | greycat | dag_: you didn't understand the topicsmiting? |
| 04:38.02 | dag_ | but ok, ill just stick to xfree for now |
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| 04:38.09 | peterS | Xenguy: she is asking everyone for rum |
| 04:38.13 | peterS | Xenguy: don't give it to her, she's underage |
| 04:38.13 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Avast! There be many a lubber here tonight |
| 04:38.16 | Phated | Arrr, that I be. |
| 04:38.21 | greycat | /topic -> X.org questions -> /msg dpkg xorg |
| 04:38.34 | Phated | peterS: Actually, I think you'll find I'm of age for rum now. |
| 04:38.39 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: it be sunday. |
| 04:38.45 | dag_ | yeah i have red it, thats why i asked if i should keep clear of it (installing from source) |
| 04:38.45 | peterS | Phated: nah, you can have rum & coke, with just the coke |
| 04:38.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrrr, that be true, me matey. |
| 04:38.51 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Aye me matey that it be |
| 04:39.01 | Phated | greycat: Arrrr, it be the 19th day of September. |
| 04:39.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Arrrr |
| 04:39.11 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrr. |
| 04:39.16 | Testi|AFK | anyone know how to stop startx |
| 04:39.20 | peterS | /ignore -regex [Aa]rrr |
| 04:39.22 | Testi|AFK | without restarting |
| 04:39.25 | scarynetworkguy | Testi|AFK: Aye |
| 04:39.32 | peterS | Testi|AFK: ctrl-alt-backspace ought to do it |
| 04:39.37 | greycat | Testi|AFK: exit from your X session. ctrl-alt-f1, login on the text console. |
| 04:39.44 | rares000 | no one on a pirate's ship is ubderage only if ye to scare to swab or take care of her (the ship) then yoe be underage even if ye be so old ye play dominoes with the teeth that have fallen out |
| 04:39.45 | Phated | peterS: So I can subvert it to... Arrrr. :D |
| 04:39.50 | Testi|AFK | yeah im at the login console |
| 04:39.54 | Testi|AFK | i want to stop it |
| 04:39.59 | Testi|AFK | cus i want to run it again |
| 04:40.00 | greycat | peterS: Ahrrrr! |
| 04:40.04 | peterS | Phated: oh? not really, my /ignore would have caught that |
| 04:40.05 | Phated | rares000: Arrrr, pass the rum, matey. |
| 04:40.07 | peterS | Phated: greycat has the right idea |
| 04:40.23 | Phated | peterS: Your /ignore only gets three rrrs. :D |
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| 04:40.34 | greycat | Phated: it's a regex; it'll match partial words. |
| 04:40.40 | peterS | Phated: indeed it does. the first three are enough to match my expression |
| 04:40.40 | Phated | Ahhhhhh. |
| 04:40.50 | greycat | Phated: s/h/r/g |
| 04:41.11 | Testi|AFK | soo |
| 04:41.13 | Testi|AFK | anyone know? |
| 04:41.14 | dag_ | well have fun with the pirate fetish :) |
| 04:41.16 | Phated | rares000: Arrrr, that be true, matey. |
| 04:41.17 | dag_ | im off to bed |
| 04:41.19 | rares000 | the last time I got drunk was because I had a toothache |
| 04:41.25 | Testi|AFK | what's the command to stop x from the command prompt while it's running |
| 04:41.27 | Phated | Testi|AFK: Arr, me matey, ye have been warned... Ctrl-Alt-BkSp. |
| 04:41.37 | greycat | Testi|AFK: /etc/init.d/whateverdm stop |
| 04:41.42 | rares000 | that's from itself |
| 04:41.46 | Phated | Testi|AFK: Oh, that. Killall startx? :D |
| 04:41.49 | greycat | Phated: I believe you'll find he's cursed by a *dm. |
| 04:42.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Agrrrh, me matey, you be speaking truth. |
| 04:42.01 | Phated | greycat: Oh. |
| 04:42.02 | rares000 | killall XFree86 |
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| 04:42.12 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Aye me matey |
| 04:42.17 | greycat | alias avast=killall |
| 04:42.19 | Phated | Testi|AFK: Well, my matey, /etc/init.d/*dm/ stop. :D |
| 04:42.24 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrr. |
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| 04:43.15 | greycat | init.d/* scripts should accept "avast" as a synonym for "stop" on *-09-19. |
| 04:43.22 | Testi|AFK | eh screw it... ctrl alt del did it |
| 04:43.30 | Phated | greycat: Or WALK THE PLANK! |
| 04:43.41 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Aye! |
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| 04:44.40 | Phated | rares000: Unfortunately, it's a script. |
| 04:44.52 | Testi|AFK | god i hate "no screens found" |
| 04:44.54 | peterS | rares000: no number keys needed, I just type /t and then my line |
| 04:45.07 | peterS | rares000: or /tme for action lines |
| 04:45.12 | greycat | "t" for "twittify"? |
| 04:45.18 | Phated | Hahahahahahahahahhahaha arrr. |
| 04:45.28 | peterS | greycat: well, the script is 'tlap.pl' so it's short for that |
| 04:45.39 | greycat | ah. |
| 04:45.43 | rares000 | no for 7vv1771fy |
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| 04:45.50 | scarynetworkguy | Arrrrr |
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| 04:46.14 | Phated | Arrrrrr. |
| 04:46.19 | pipeline | Does anyone know of a converter for Thunderbird .6x mail data? |
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| 04:46.38 | peterS | r4R35000: J00 5h0uLd n0 th4t 1 4l50 n0Rm4lLy u53 nUmb3R5 4B0v3 my L3tt3r k3y5, n0t th3 numB3r P4d |
| 04:47.09 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | Landlubbers beware! there be pirates | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian is NOT Knoppix | GNOME 2.8? /msg dpkg gnome2.8 | sarge Base+Standard is now frozen; RC1 installer: /msg dpkg d-i | NO GMAIL INVITES! | X.org questions -> /msg dpkg xorg | BROKEN: | FIXED: libapr0 (#266165) | SECURITY: READ YOUR DSA! || Sorry, no sarge release toda |
| 04:47.22 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | Landlubbers beware! there be pirates | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian is NOT Knoppix | GNOME 2.8? /msg dpkg gnome2.8 | sarge Base+Standard is now frozen; RC1 installer: /msg dpkg d-i | NO GMAIL INVITES! | X.org questions -> /msg dpkg xorg | BROKEN: | FIXED: libapr0 (#266165) | SECURITY: READ YOUR DSA! | Sorry, no sarge release today |
| 04:47.24 | rares000 | Arr but me matey never mentioned any landlubbin number pad |
| 04:47.41 | Phated | ARGH! |
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| 04:48.33 | rares000 | 4nyvv4y5 1 b3 g01n t0 sl33p |
| 04:48.52 | peterS | n8 d00d |
| 04:49.16 | rares000 | don't h4v3 t00 mvch fun vv/0 m3 |
| 04:49.27 | Phated | Bugger, matey. |
| 04:49.39 | peterS | r4R35000 w3ll Try N0t 2 |
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| 04:51.43 | scarynetworkguy | Aye! |
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| 04:52.15 | Phated | Arrrr, captain. |
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| 04:52.50 | kingsley | peterS: I noticed that "cp -ax /mnt/hd /mnt/hdc" put all data in a new directory named "/mnt/hdc/hd". Do you happen to know how to make cp put everything directly under /mnt/hdc, without creating the directory named "hd"? |
| 04:53.02 | peterS | actually, come to think of it ... |
| 04:53.09 | greycat | kingsley: cd /mnt/hd && cp -ax . /mnt/hdc/ |
| 04:53.10 | peterS | I think there's a better way to Talk Like A Pirate... |
| 04:53.14 | peterS | office2k3 pro, doom3, NWN, RHEL3, GNU Emacs Manual ---> http://127.30.241.115:8080/warez/home.htm <--- |
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| 04:53.21 | peterS | office2k3 pro, doom3, NWN, RHEL3, GNU Emacs Manual ---> http://127.30.241.115:8080/warez/home.htm <--- |
| 04:53.32 | Phated | Eh, WTF. :D |
| 04:53.43 | greycat | that's talking like a spammer |
| 04:53.47 | pipeline | I find it intensely humorous that GNU Emacs Manual is uttered in the same breath as office and doom3 |
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| 04:53.54 | peterS | oh yeah |
| 04:53.59 | peterS | pipeline: well, it *is* non-free |
| 04:54.03 | pills | cafuego: u around? |
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| 04:54.07 | greycat | peterS: heh |
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| 04:54.19 | kingsley | greycat: That looks plausible. Thanks. |
| 04:54.19 | peterS | I was hoping someone would get that joke |
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| 04:54.26 | mazu | greetings |
| 04:54.42 | greycat | mazu: ahoy! |
| 04:54.53 | Phated | Arrrrr, you be off the map, mazu. Here, there be monsters~! |
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| 04:56.37 | scarynetworkguy | Aye! |
| 04:56.55 | jharrison | OI! |
| 04:57.06 | Phated | jharrison: Arrrrr, down to the brig with you, matey. |
| 04:57.13 | scarynetworkguy | Aye! |
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| 04:57.21 | Phated | Aye! |
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| 04:57.42 | jharrison | Phated: where is my rum you sorry excuse for a salior? |
| 04:57.58 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: Avast! The run is gone |
| 04:58.06 | jharrison | what! |
| 04:58.07 | peterS | jharrison: don't tell me. you're an actual Pirate of the Caribbean |
| 04:58.25 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: ye be walkin the plank now swine |
| 04:58.30 | Phated | jharrison: Arrrr, me matey! The rum be gone. You be sleeping on the job. Swab the poop deck! |
| 04:58.42 | pills | im trying to install these atmel drivers and during the config i dont know how to answer "root dir of external pcmcia" can anyone help? tnx |
| 04:58.52 | mazu | greetings, Phated, greycat |
| 04:58.53 | jharrison | Phated: but im the captain |
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| 04:58.57 | Phated | mazu: Arrr. :) |
| 04:59.00 | jharrison | this sounds like mutiny! |
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| 04:59.05 | scarynetworkguy | mazu: Arrrr |
| 04:59.08 | Phated | jharrison: Arrrrrr, MUTINY@ |
| 04:59.09 | jharrison | bastards |
| 04:59.22 | jharrison | :-P |
| 04:59.31 | Wyzard | Can battery status monitoring (in a laptop) be accomplished through ACPI, or is APM needed for that? |
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| 04:59.42 | jharrison | Wyzard: lmsensors? |
| 04:59.57 | jharrison | dpkg: rum |
| 04:59.57 | dpkg | jharrison: I give up, what is it? |
| 05:00.04 | jharrison | damn it |
| 05:00.07 | jharrison | !rum |
| 05:00.11 | Wyzard | jharriso1: No, I mean things like the GNOME battery-status applet |
| 05:00.26 | Wyzard | jharriso1: lmsensor is for temperature and fans |
| 05:00.43 | jharrison | Wyzard: well how should I know. its not like I have a laptop you know |
| 05:00.46 | jharrison | :-P |
| 05:00.48 | Phated | !rum $1 is (<action> pours $1 a goblet of rum. Yo ho ho.|<reply> But the rum is gone!) |
| 05:00.48 | dpkg | okay, Phated |
| 05:00.59 | Wyzard | ah |
| 05:01.02 | Phated | !no, rum $1 is (<action> pours $1 a goblet of rum. Yo ho ho.|<reply> $1: But the rum is gone!) |
| 05:01.06 | jharrison | Wyzard: just shooting in the dark |
| 05:01.10 | Phated | dpkg, no, rum $1 is (<action> pours $1 a goblet of rum. Yo ho ho.|<reply> $1: But the rum is gone!) |
| 05:01.24 | Phated | !rum me |
| 05:01.25 | dpkg | phated: But the rum is gone! |
| 05:01.29 | Phated | Ahhh, perfect. |
| 05:01.30 | jharrison | :( |
| 05:01.35 | Phated | !rum jharrison |
| 05:01.36 | dpkg | jharrison: But the rum is gone! |
| 05:01.39 | jharrison | :( |
| 05:01.40 | mazu | Phated, greycat, chop chop, scrub 'em decks |
| 05:01.41 | Phated | XD |
| 05:01.44 | jharrison | I dont like it |
| 05:01.45 | Phated | mazu: Arrrrrr. |
| 05:01.52 | scarynetworkguy | !why is the rum gone |
| 05:01.53 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, scarynetworkguy |
| 05:01.59 | jharrison | lucky for me I know infobot language |
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| 05:02.13 | jharrison | a few quick key strokes and the rum will never be gone |
| 05:02.14 | jharrison | wwwwwwweeeeeeeee |
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| 05:02.35 | Wyzard | See, I have a ThinkPad 600E that I recently installed Debian on, and it's unable to read the battery's power level, or whether it's plugged in or not |
| 05:02.54 | Wyzard | I've had Debian installed on this laptop in the past (a few months ago) and it worked then, so I know it's possible |
| 05:02.57 | Phated | !rum me |
| 05:03.00 | Phated | YAY! |
| 05:03.04 | Wyzard | but I don't know what's different about this time |
| 05:03.12 | pills | has anyone successfully installed ATMEL drivers? |
| 05:03.19 | Phated | !literal cmd: rum (.*?) |
| 05:03.19 | dpkg | CMD: rum (.*?) is ($1): (<action> pours $1 a goblet of rum. Yo ho ho.|<reply> $1: But the rum is gone!) |
| 05:03.23 | Phated | Ahh, lovely. |
| 05:03.24 | scarynetworkguy | !rum me |
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| 05:03.32 | scarynetworkguy | !rum gone |
| 05:03.51 | Phated | Hahahahahahahahaha arrrrrr. |
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| 05:04.12 | jharrison | !rum |
| 05:04.17 | scarynetworkguy | Avast! |
| 05:04.23 | jharrison | dpkg: rum |
| 05:04.23 | dpkg | jharrison: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:04.24 | ziggle | arrr |
| 05:04.34 | jharrison | !rum |
| 05:04.38 | jharrison | :( |
| 05:04.39 | scarynetworkguy | !rum gone |
| 05:04.40 | dpkg | gone: But the rum is never gone! |
| 05:04.44 | jharrison | hehe |
| 05:04.46 | Phated | Heh. |
| 05:04.51 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :P |
| 05:04.54 | jharrison | !rum me |
| 05:04.54 | dpkg | jharrison: But the rum is never gone! |
| 05:05.00 | jharrison | dpkg: damn straight |
| 05:05.06 | jharrison | hehe |
| 05:05.12 | jharrison | stupid bot |
| 05:05.15 | mazu | them loony mateys flying the "skulls and crossbones" |
| 05:05.20 | Phated | Hey, that was MY factoid. |
| 05:05.35 | jharrison | I seemed to have "modified" it |
| 05:05.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: rum gone ws supposed to be *the* line |
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| 05:05.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 05:06.05 | Phated | jharrison: No, I meant the damn factoid. |
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| 05:06.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 05:06.17 | Phated | Heh, the damn factoid. Arrrr. |
| 05:06.19 | jharrison | it would take an act of God to make there be no rum here in bahamas |
| 05:06.26 | jharrison | we are a land of pirates |
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| 05:06.32 | Phated | peterS: It's quiet. |
| 05:06.35 | buu | er33t |
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| 05:06.45 | mazu | shiver me timbers |
| 05:06.46 | jharrison | 300+ years ago it was blackbeard |
| 05:06.48 | fluke | hello all! |
| 05:06.54 | Phated | Arrrr! |
| 05:06.54 | jharrison | and now its internet pirates |
| 05:06.56 | jharrison | :-P |
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| 05:07.00 | mazu | fluke, ahoy! |
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| 05:07.13 | scarynetworkguy | fluke: ahoy |
| 05:07.37 | jharrison | its wonderful to walk along the street and be able to buy dvds |
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| 05:08.32 | jharrison | any of you guys ever come here ill take you to blackbeards tower |
| 05:08.39 | jharrison | its right up the road from my house |
| 05:08.39 | Phated | Ooooooooo. |
| 05:08.45 | jharrison | wonderful view |
| 05:08.50 | Phated | I mean, arrrrrrr, that be swag. |
| 05:08.56 | jharrison | :) |
| 05:09.15 | jharrison | I can take you to the caves were he and his crew use to hide too |
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| 05:09.21 | Phated | Arrrr. |
| 05:09.26 | scoopex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:09.38 | jharrison | and forts where a lot of pirates were tortured |
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| 05:09.42 | Phated | Oooo. |
| 05:09.51 | jharrison | they even have those machines where they stretch you out |
| 05:09.56 | jharrison | looks painful |
| 05:09.59 | Phated | The rack. |
| 05:10.03 | jharrison | yeah |
| 05:10.04 | fluke | aloha all! aah, dpkg knows about mplayer.. :) |
| 05:10.05 | jharrison | the rack to be sure |
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| 05:10.15 | exarkun | Can anyone explain #debian-overflow to me? |
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| 05:10.23 | jharrison | exarkun: sure |
| 05:10.27 | jharrison | exarkun: when there is some problem |
| 05:11.08 | jharrison | exarkun: like with the network you may find yourself in debian-overflow. not exactly sure how it works but its to stop joins to this channel all at once It hink |
| 05:11.14 | peterS | exarkun: to prevent flood join vandalism in #debian, the channel has a limit of how many people can join at a time |
| 05:11.20 | ziggle | is there a plan to make all packages debconf, or are some going to avoid that? |
| 05:11.23 | jharrison | yea |
| 05:11.24 | jharrison | yeah |
| 05:11.26 | peterS | exarkun: if you cross that limit you wind up in #debian-overflow |
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| 05:11.30 | jharrison | peterS: coudlnt have said it better |
| 05:11.31 | jharrison | :-P |
| 05:11.45 | Berkelio | hola |
| 05:11.46 | peterS | exarkun: all you have to do is wait awhile - maybe 30 seconds - then /part #debian-overflow and try rejoining #debian |
| 05:11.51 | Berkelio | hi |
| 05:11.56 | jharrison | yeah |
| 05:11.59 | Berkelio | you're f. |
| 05:11.59 | jharrison | thats what I do |
| 05:12.01 | Berkelio | 516351605 |
| 05:12.02 | fester2001 | for a standered install of the teesting version of debian how many cds will i need? |
| 05:12.02 | Berkelio | +06+5+3 |
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| 05:12.15 | exarkun | I was kind of interested in the details of how the network decided to send you to the overflow channel :) |
| 05:12.15 | Berkelio | Eh loco |
| 05:12.18 | Berkelio | q boquea |
| 05:12.19 | Berkelio | yankie |
| 05:12.20 | jharrison | fester2001: the first one |
| 05:12.22 | Berkelio | 666 |
| 05:12.26 | Berkelio | aguante bin laden |
| 05:12.28 | Berkelio | forros putos |
| 05:12.29 | Berkelio | aguante bin laden |
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| 05:12.32 | peterS | 25 or 6 to 3 |
| 05:12.59 | jharrison | sleep time |
| 05:13.01 | jharrison | goodnight everyone |
| 05:13.04 | ziggle | cya |
| 05:13.08 | jharrison | or goodday |
| 05:13.08 | Wyzard | fester2001: Not even the first one, if you have an Internet connection available while installing... go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and download the netinst or businesscard CD |
| 05:13.14 | jharrison | whatever suits you best |
| 05:13.16 | jharrison | :-P |
| 05:13.46 | Wyzard | fester2001: You can install as much of Debian as you want, with just the 40MB "businesscard" CD as a starting point |
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| 05:13.54 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: Avast! |
| 05:14.21 | Phated | jharrison: Arrrrrrr. |
| 05:14.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Avast! Sleep is for landlubbers |
| 05:14.52 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Arrrrr |
| 05:15.14 | regeya | oh christ |
| 05:15.19 | Phated | regeya: What? |
| 05:15.30 | regeya | I mean, "arrrrr." |
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| 05:15.33 | scarynetworkguy | regeya: Arrr |
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| 05:16.00 | Ox0F0-0FF | hummm, how the hell i forgot this |
| 05:16.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | man section_number ulimit |
| 05:16.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | i want the section 1 |
| 05:16.18 | Ox0F0-0FF | ?? |
| 05:16.26 | Ox0F0-0FF | man 1 ulimit won't go |
| 05:16.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | man ulimit 1 neither |
| 05:16.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | anyone ? |
| 05:16.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | crap :( |
| 05:16.43 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: man bash |
| 05:16.47 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: it's a bash builtin |
| 05:17.04 | ziggle | any zsh users? |
| 05:17.11 | Ox0F0-0FF | oh, ok |
| 05:17.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | did man man but had nothing |
| 05:17.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | i get why now |
| 05:17.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | thanks |
| 05:17.44 | fluke | isn't ulimit a shell builtin in most shells? |
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| 05:18.11 | yargo | try: help ulimit |
| 05:18.17 | rich_ | Hi |
| 05:18.35 | Ox0F0-0FF | hummm, man bash.. |
| 05:18.37 | Ox0F0-0FF | tiny tiny |
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| 05:18.39 | Ox0F0-0FF | heh |
| 05:18.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | :) |
| 05:18.44 | netrider | yep |
| 05:18.47 | Ox0F0-0FF | yargo: ok |
| 05:18.48 | Wyzard | Ox0F0-0FF: You know, your nick is really obnoxious for others to type |
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| 05:18.59 | Ox0F0-0FF | well, man ulimit gives me ulimit 3 |
| 05:19.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | the function |
| 05:19.01 | Phated | Wyzard: Tab complet, matey. |
| 05:19.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | but i want the command line options |
| 05:19.11 | Wyzard | phaethon: Still obnoxious |
| 05:19.15 | Ox0F0-0FF | which is in section 1 |
| 05:19.20 | Phated | Wyzard: Apparently so. :) |
| 05:19.24 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: right. since it's built in to bash, it should be documented in 'man bash' somewhere |
| 05:19.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Aye! |
| 05:19.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: AYE! |
| 05:19.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | peterS: only thing i want is how to ask man the section 1 |
| 05:19.54 | phaethon | Wyzard, pleasink to be watchink de autocomplete. |
| 05:20.02 | Phated | . |
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| 05:20.09 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: 'man 1 ulimit' would work if ulimit were a separate command with its own manpage |
| 05:20.13 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: but it isn't, so it doesn't |
| 05:20.20 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: the word is lame o <tab> is hardly obnoxious |
| 05:20.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | ah, that's why |
| 05:20.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | so that's not me who went crazy |
| 05:20.41 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: so yeah, you had the syntax right, it just doesn't have a manpage separate from the bash one |
| 05:21.04 | peterS | Ox0F0-0FF: just like 'cd' doesn't |
| 05:21.34 | fluke | man 7 bash-builtins |
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| 05:22.35 | afra | how come firefox doesn't render xml correctly? It spits it out as plain text... |
| 05:22.58 | Ox0F0-0FF | help ulimit worked thanks yargo |
| 05:23.26 | fluke | afra are you sure you got the correct content-type ? |
| 05:23.43 | peterS | afra: how should it render it? xml can have a few thousand different schemas / semantics |
| 05:23.58 | afra | fluke: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> |
| 05:24.17 | fluke | afra sorry, I meant in the HTTP response |
| 05:24.27 | peterS | afra: fluke is talking about the content-type header in HTTP, not the file contents |
| 05:24.36 | regeya | firefox needs something to go on other than an xml document, methinks |
| 05:24.45 | peterS | regeya: yeah |
| 05:24.46 | fluke | peterS I think afra is referring to some browsers that will show the tags structure without all the attributes and contents, kind of a summary of the XML file |
| 05:24.50 | afra | http://darkstatic.com/~afra/xml-firefox.jpg is what i see |
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| 05:25.17 | afra | the file I loaded via file:/home/user/file.xml |
| 05:25.19 | fluke | afra are you getting this xml from an http server, or you did "file...open" or something equivalent? |
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| 05:25.22 | xeon2 | What medium should I use to get packages? HTTP or FTP? What's the real difference? |
| 05:25.23 | peterS | fluke: ah, possibly. I'm reasonably xml-ignorant, myself |
| 05:25.48 | afra | fluke: I saved it from an HTTP server and then loaded it into firefox from my hard drive |
| 05:25.52 | peterS | xeon2: http is just as good, IMHO, and the protocol is somewhat simpler - hence faster startup time, which is important for small files |
| 05:26.05 | Wyzard | xeon2: It doesn't really matter much, but HTTP connects more quickly |
| 05:26.17 | xeon2 | Yes, that's what I observed. |
| 05:26.30 | xeon2 | Just making sure there wasn't any security benefits. |
| 05:26.35 | rich_ | xml gives me tv listings. http just gives me crappy web pages |
| 05:26.42 | ixi-deb05 | Is modules.conf still used after installing module-init-tools? |
| 05:26.43 | afra | http://darkstatic.com/~afra/t.xml is a snippet of the xml file |
| 05:26.47 | fluke | afra it's _possible_ that firefox won't display it the same whether it's from a file:// url or from an http server. typically, the http server will set a specific content type when returning the xml file, which would probably make firefox do something with the data, rather than display as plain text.. |
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| 05:27.17 | QQmelo | holas |
| 05:27.17 | Wyzard | xeon2: You're not authenticating to the server, and neither protocol provides protection against in-transit tampering by third parties |
| 05:27.18 | peterS | ixi-deb05: yes, for 2.4 kernels |
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| 05:27.25 | peterS | ixi-deb05: not for 2.6 kernels, where module-init-tools is actually *used* |
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| 05:27.32 | ixi-deb05 | peterS: mine is 2.6.8.1 |
| 05:27.33 | afra | does that file show up okay? |
| 05:27.35 | QQmelo | anyone here know if the graphical installer is dead? |
| 05:27.56 | xeon2 | Wyzard: One of these days I'm going to have to read about protocols. |
| 05:28.02 | try_catch_this | any freeware alternatives to winrar? |
| 05:28.17 | Wyzard | fluke: I think Mozilla-based browsers only display XML in hierarchial form if they have a content-type of "text/xml"... but anything opened from a local file is assumed to be "text/plain" |
| 05:28.25 | Wyzard | xeon2: What about them? |
| 05:28.31 | fluke | try_catch: unrar :) |
| 05:28.34 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: rzip |
| 05:28.41 | fluke | try_catch unless you need to create rars...? |
| 05:28.47 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: no Windows rzip though |
| 05:28.55 | try_catch_this | not really create them |
| 05:28.55 | ixi-deb05 | peterS: hm.. where to read more about this? How to control modules options and loading? |
| 05:28.57 | fluke | wyzard that's what I thought at first too.. |
| 05:29.12 | try_catch_this | I want an archiver to use when I am in windows |
| 05:29.13 | peterS | ixi-deb05: /etc/modprobe.d/* are the config files for module-init-tools |
| 05:29.16 | afra | fluke: i used the apache mime.types out of the box |
| 05:29.33 | peterS | ixi-deb05: also there is /etc/modules-2.6 (if you have it) or /etc/modules (if you don't have modules-2.6) which lists the modules to load unconditionally at boot time |
| 05:29.33 | ixi-deb05 | peterS: interesting... very. thanks. |
| 05:29.33 | fluke | afra if I open your xml file from mozilla, it gets displayed in hierarchical form as I think you're looking for.. |
| 05:29.42 | xeon2 | Wyzard: Just in general. To become a better security minded administrator. |
| 05:29.57 | peterS | fluke: well, note that he said firefox specifically |
| 05:29.58 | fluke | afra but the content-type isn't saved with the data hence, firefox doesn't know what to do once you open it again.. (I think wyzard is right) |
| 05:30.19 | try_catch_this | I want to back up the /varcache//apt/archives directory on 1 cd |
| 05:30.28 | try_catch_this | right now it is 857 mb |
| 05:30.34 | afra | fluke: I tried it in mozilla 1.7 and same stuff...it's displayed like a .txt file |
| 05:30.40 | fluke | peterS well, I don't have firefox right here at the moment.. not sure how mozilla and firefox differ wrt. content types and file extensions.. |
| 05:30.43 | yargo | try-catch-this: try 7zip http://www.7-zip.org/ |
| 05:30.48 | try_catch_this | mabe bz2 can make it small enough? |
| 05:30.57 | fluke | afra but when you fetch it back from your http server, you get the expected results? or not? |
| 05:31.00 | peterS | try_catch_this: have you tried 'apt-get autoclean' ? that deletes older versions of .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives - leaving just the newest version of each package |
| 05:31.06 | Wyzard | fluke: However, I just tried opening an XML file of mine via a "file://" URL, and it did appear to read it as XML... complained that it couldn't find the XSLT stylesheet, (which is located in the same directory and gets found just fine when using HTTP) |
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| 05:31.14 | Wyzard | fluke: That's in Galeon though, not Firefox |
| 05:31.25 | try_catch_this | ok |
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| 05:31.37 | fluke | wyz guess you could download the xslt and save it in the same dir as the xml.. but we digress |
| 05:31.50 | peterS | try_catch_this: the thing is, your data is already compressed - deb files are gzipped or (in a few cases) bzip2ed |
| 05:31.52 | Wyzard | xeon2: Well, reading "about protocols" is pretty general... it sounds like you're saying you want to learn what a protocol is, etc. |
| 05:31.59 | peterS | try_catch_this: so I doubt *any* file compressor will make very much difference |
| 05:32.07 | xeon2 | Wyzard: That, too. |
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| 05:32.34 | try_catch_this | I have to go back to linux and run apt-get autoclean |
| 05:32.45 | try_catch_this | when this download finishes |
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| 05:33.22 | fester2001 | Wyzard i am on dialup and my friend will be downloading it for me i wanted to avoid downloading gnome and that sort of thing |
| 05:33.41 | afra | fluke: I see exactly this when viewing from the URL and not from the hard drive: http://darkstatic.com/~afra/screenshot.png |
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| 05:34.22 | fluke | afra that's basically how Safari displays xml files here too.. |
| 05:34.23 | afra | weird no? |
| 05:34.39 | afra | yeah but it worked for you (in a hierarchy display) in mozilla... |
| 05:34.39 | fluke | afra personaly, when I get an XML file, I'd rather see it as text/plain but that's my own preference.. |
| 05:34.45 | macmouse | where do I set my locale settings? |
| 05:34.47 | ixi-deb05 | peterS: so, modprobe.d/* stuff is like modules.conf but slightly simplified. Does update-modules still work? Where to place custom stuff? (Sorry if these are rtfm questions) |
| 05:34.56 | macmouse | so perl, and a bunch of other programs, will stop complaining? |
| 05:35.04 | peterS | ixi-deb05: update-modules is now a no-op - it does nothing, as it isn't needed |
| 05:35.15 | peterS | ixi-deb05: for custom stuff, just create a new file like "local" in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 05:35.18 | Wyzard | ixi-deb05: I just create a file called "/etc/modprobe.d/local" |
| 05:35.38 | Wyzard | and apparently I'm not the only one :-) |
| 05:35.53 | afra | fluke: did you install mozilla from apt or the mozilla.org tarballs? |
| 05:36.10 | ixi-deb05 | peterS, Wyzard: thanks :) |
| 05:36.11 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:36.16 | Phated | peterS: Doesn't this seem to happen with you and a lot of people? :) |
| 05:36.18 | ziggle | when will firefox 1.0rc be in unstable? |
| 05:36.28 | Phated | Hopefully soon. |
| 05:36.47 | afra | they're having problems with thunderbird in unstable apparantly |
| 05:36.50 | peterS | ph4t3d: 1 Dunn0 ... 1 Gu355 th3r3 H4v3 b33N t1M35 Wh3n y0u 4nd 1 h4v3 D0n3 th3 54m3 th1ng |
| 05:37.00 | Phated | Eeep. :D |
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| 05:37.13 | ziggle | afra: do the two have any common dependencies, i thought they were totally seperate? |
| 05:37.14 | macmouse | where do I set my locale settings? |
| 05:37.57 | peterS | macmouse: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:38.07 | fluke | afra I'm not on a linux system at the moment.. I got the official macosx bin from mozilla.org.. :-/ sorry |
| 05:38.09 | macmouse | thanks peters |
| 05:38.29 | try_catch_this | fester2001: I downloaded gnome over a couple of days |
| 05:38.35 | try_catch_this | and kde also |
| 05:38.54 | afra | fluke: i should try it on my powerbook... |
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| 05:39.00 | afra | fluke: btw, what irc client do you use on osx? |
| 05:39.18 | ziggle | a good irc client on OS X is the port of xchat, it works really well |
| 05:39.24 | fluke | afra none: I ssh to some linux or freebsd box and use epic4 with approx 500kb worth of scripts :) |
| 05:40.00 | fluke | actually, take that back, I'm now using epic4 directly on the mac, compiled using fink. in a real xterm though, not Terminal.app (ugh) |
| 05:40.46 | afra | fink's awesome :) |
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| 05:41.07 | fluke | (and the loaded scripts total 260k now, not 500+kb, sorry, was including backup files...) |
| 05:41.27 | macmouse | peterS: oh... perl still complains.. now what? |
| 05:41.28 | ziggle | fluke: why do you have so many scripts? |
| 05:41.33 | peterS | macmouse: not sure |
| 05:41.40 | macmouse | heh |
| 05:41.41 | fluke | I've been a long time debian user on x86 though.. since debian 0.93 actually :) (circa early 1996, switching from slackware 3.0) |
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| 05:42.25 | try_catch_this | "OS X is the port of xchat"? xchat seems to work exactly the same way on all oseses |
| 05:42.37 | fluke | ziggle actually, the main script is approx 100kbytes and is Phoenix from vassago. does color, changes layout, all sorts of completions, friend lists, etc.. I'm just used to it now.. |
| 05:42.39 | try_catch_this | os 's |
| 05:42.58 | ziggle | try: there is a port you can use without X11 |
| 05:43.30 | macmouse | peterS: hrm... looks like the package console-data/console-tools is all messed up.. |
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| 05:43.48 | try_catch_this | yuck console based irc |
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| 05:43.56 | Phated | Er, hello, irssi. |
| 05:44.24 | mosty | is there a replacement for network interface metrics? |
| 05:44.29 | yargo | I'm just trying out this emacs erc client, it seems pretty nice... Still gotta get used to this Lisp wackiness, fun. |
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| 05:44.48 | fluke | hmm, aren't metrics applied to routes usually? |
| 05:45.19 | mosty | fluke, yes |
| 05:45.27 | scarynetworkguy | i heard that irssi is the only irc client that doesn't cause cancer |
| 05:45.29 | mosty | fluke: except modern linux kernels don't seem to support it |
| 05:45.59 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: indeed, some irc clients are just as bad as smoking 3 packs a day |
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| 05:46.07 | Phated | Dear me! |
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| 05:46.08 | peterS | proven fact! |
| 05:46.10 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: yes yes they are |
| 05:46.14 | Phated | I had better use ONLY irssi. |
| 05:46.30 | PuddPunk | scarynetworkguy: bitchx causes cancer.... and i like it! |
| 05:46.41 | peterS | Phated: y3S, j00 |\/|u5+ |
| 05:46.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: and some *cough* bitchx *cough* are almost as bad as dselect |
| 05:46.50 | Phated | Hahahahahaha. |
| 05:46.55 | fluke | mosty strange, my debian box here shows it with "/sbin/route", and "netstat -rnA inet" displays a field "MSS" which possibly would be the metric.. (?) |
| 05:47.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *GASP* as bad as *dselect*! |
| 05:47.08 | xeon2 | What package can you get the MS fonts from? |
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| 05:47.14 | Wyzard | xeon2: msttcorefonts |
| 05:47.15 | peterS | xeon2: 'msttcorefonts' |
| 05:47.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nods* |
| 05:47.19 | rich_ | I like xchat but its not black enough. I like everything but fonts black so I can see the transparancy. Black is my transparant color. Anyone know a irc client that lets me change all the colors, or failing that, whats the best non graphical , non bitchx irc client? |
| 05:47.20 | peterS | xeon2: it's in contrib, I believe |
| 05:47.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
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| 05:47.36 | PuddPunk | rich_: kvirc? |
| 05:47.36 | peterS | this is getting a little weird |
| 05:47.42 | Phated | peterS: This is weird. :F |
| 05:47.43 | xeon2 | Thanks, guys |
| 05:47.48 | rich_ | PuddPunk thanks |
| 05:47.52 | PuddPunk | np |
| 05:47.57 | Wyzard | Well, we're talking facts... it'd be hard to disagree over that one |
| 05:48.06 | Phated | Indeed. |
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| 05:48.50 | fluke | rich you should be able to run an xterm with reverse video and white text, then any text irc client (epic4?) |
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| 05:49.10 | Phated | Or eterm with irssi. |
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| 05:49.23 | rich_ | fluke My xterms are the right color. Thats why a non graphical, non bitchx client would work |
| 05:49.43 | Phated | rich_: irssi? :) |
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| 05:50.01 | fluke | rich there are many. I guess anything from your old ircii clients to anything newer. I've been using epic4 for way too long to know the other alternatives, sorry :) |
| 05:50.02 | rich_ | Phated cool. Thanks |
| 05:50.17 | mosty | fluke: what's the difference between route metrics and interface metrics? ifconfig has a metric setting, but gives "SIOCSIFMETRIC: Operation not supported" when i try to use it. route metrics appear to work |
| 05:50.29 | Wyzard | I'm not anti-bitchx, but I'm anti-bitchx-obnoxious-quit-messages |
| 05:50.32 | Phated | rich_: Not a problem. there's a really nice theme for it too, yell at me when you've installed it for the theme. Lines up all the text nicely. |
| 05:50.49 | Phated | Wyzard: /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 05:50.54 | xeon2 | Is there a better login manager not associated with Gnome or KDE? |
| 05:51.06 | mosty | xeon, wdm ? |
| 05:51.06 | rich_ | Phated Well the themes wont be much use because I want everything but the text black |
| 05:51.10 | fluke | mosty good question.. I haven't seriously been using recent linux kernels, not sure what the if metric does.. |
| 05:51.18 | Wyzard | Phated: I don't want to ignore ALL those messages, just the stupid quotes bitchx sticks in its quits :-) |
| 05:51.23 | PuddPunk | Wyzard: I never see them so i dont mind lol |
| 05:51.24 | rich_ | So I can see the transparency |
| 05:51.27 | fluke | mosty perhaps it's added to the route metric or something.. |
| 05:51.28 | ziggle | rich_: you need a gothic irc client |
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| 05:51.34 | try_catch_this | is bz2 generally considered the best opensource compression algorithm? |
| 05:51.36 | Wyzard | PuddPunk: Exactly why they're obnoxious |
| 05:51.41 | offby1 | that's metaphysically absurd, man: how can you see transparency? |
| 05:51.42 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: rzip |
| 05:51.45 | Phated | rich_: No, no, the theme just lines up all the nicks so everything's aligned. You still get it all black. In fact, more black than the regular irssi. |
| 05:51.48 | mosty | try_catch_this, "best" depends on the situation |
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| 05:51.58 | fluke | try define best: compresses most? fastest? uses less amount of ram? it's a question of compromise really... |
| 05:52.02 | Phated | offby1: You don't see it, you see its effects. |
| 05:52.03 | PuddPunk | anyone here know much about balckdown java? |
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| 05:52.15 | PuddPunk | im having trouble getting the java3d package installed from blackdown |
| 05:52.20 | rich_ | Phated Ok, Ive herad good things about irssi from other people too. Thanks again |
| 05:52.32 | Phated | rich_: Not a problem, yell for the theme when you want it. :) |
| 05:52.42 | try_catch_this | mosty I realize that but for random binary data |
| 05:52.58 | Wyzard | try_catch_this: For high compression ratios, rzip is best... it's a layer on top of bzip2 which additonally compresses long-range redundancy (over a range of about 900MB) |
| 05:52.58 | try_catch_this | best means smallest to me' |
| 05:53.01 | Phated | gzip. :D |
| 05:53.09 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: the only IRC client that won't cause cancer. Good stuff |
| 05:53.11 | Phated | Wyzard: Ooo. |
| 05:53.20 | Phated | rich_: Excellent interface, really. :) |
| 05:53.22 | Wyzard | Phated: Great for things like CD images |
| 05:53.25 | mosty | try_catch_this, do you need adaptive compression? do you have any time/speed constraints? these vary between compression algorithms. there is no clear "best" general compression algorithm |
| 05:53.30 | PuddPunk | i get enough cancer from my wireless networks |
| 05:53.34 | Phated | Wyzard: Oooooooooooo. |
| 05:53.42 | Wyzard | Phated: And it runs about as fast as plain bzip2 |
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| 05:53.48 | try_catch_this | yet again, best means smallest to me |
| 05:53.49 | Phated | Wyzard: *Ooooooooooooooooooooooooo* |
| 05:53.57 | rich_ | scarynetworkguy Well as long as I can change the colors. Xchat lets you change all the colors but one, so I have a tab bar and scroll bar that cover up the video. |
| 05:54.03 | mattyw | Hello, does n1 know where I can get debs for evolution 2.0 which I wish to test out |
| 05:54.10 | rich_ | ... It makes it so I have to resive the video |
| 05:54.13 | mosty | try_catch_this, try a few on your data, see which performs the best for your data |
| 05:54.20 | rich_ | rather than just playing it full screen |
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| 05:54.40 | try_catch_this | when you have to download a 200 meg file instead of a 300 meg file on 56k I dont really care how long it takes to decompress |
| 05:54.45 | Phated | rich_: Meh, you have to change the colours by applying themes and such. Like I said, the one I have, stolen off thomas_adam, is a nice plain one. |
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| 05:55.06 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: yes you can change colors. The theme that Phated has *rocks* |
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| 05:55.15 | Phated | Yes yes indeedy. |
| 05:55.22 | pills | has anyone been able to install the ATMEL drivers? |
| 05:55.23 | PuddPunk | Phated : screenie? |
| 05:55.25 | ziggle | try_catch_this: http://www.rkeene.org/oss/dact/ should be a big help |
| 05:55.32 | fluke | try some of us run slow machines on fast networks.. "best" varies from one to another. I would think that bzip2 or derivatives would probably yield the best compression though |
| 05:55.32 | Phated | PuddPunk: Dude, irssi. Console, man. |
| 05:55.55 | Wyzard | ziggle, try_catch_this: dact actually isn't that great... it's a good concept, but not really worthwhile since bzip2 is the best compressor in almost all cases |
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| 05:56.11 | Wyzard | so it's just a slow alternative to running bzip2 |
| 05:56.12 | ziggle | wyzard: but like he says, cpu time is no object |
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| 05:56.22 | Phated | PuddPunk: This is the screenie from the guy who created the theme. http://edulinux.homeunix.org/~n6tadam/irssi/irssi.png |
| 05:56.32 | PuddPunk | ok |
| 05:56.34 | PuddPunk | 10q |
| 05:56.34 | scarynetworkguy | PuddPunk: http://www.scarynetworkguy.net/screen.html |
| 05:56.46 | Wyzard | ziggle: But dact doesn't yield a better compression ratio so the extra CPU time is a total waste |
| 05:56.48 | GreenAsJade | I have an apt-get problem... |
| 05:56.49 | Phated | WOOT! It's a thunderstorm! |
| 05:56.55 | scarynetworkguy | YAY!!! |
| 05:57.02 | Phated | And with the POTC music, ahhhhh... |
| 05:57.06 | mosty | wyzard, there are algorithms that compress to smaller sizes than bzip2 most of the time. they're mostly slower though |
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| 05:57.22 | GreenAsJade | "unable to open files list file for package `pdf-printerconfig': Input/Ouput error |
| 05:57.24 | ziggle | wyzard: does it really win in EVERY case, why was dact even invented (and subsequentially improved?) |
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| 05:57.39 | GreenAsJade | Phated - I have a thunderstorm here right now :-) |
| 05:57.45 | Phated | GreenAsJade: Where you at? :) |
| 05:58.00 | GreenAsJade | canberra |
| 05:58.01 | guestish | im guessing near florida :) |
| 05:58.05 | Wyzard | mosty: not ones that are implemented in dact though |
| 05:58.09 | Phated | GreenAsJade: Meh. :) |
| 05:58.11 | guestish | canberra?!?! |
| 05:58.18 | rich_ | Just from the description its pretty clear that dact wins hands down. But when you actually try to use it, youll find out why cpu time matters |
| 05:58.34 | guestish | greycat: heh, a gmail invite overload? :) |
| 05:58.39 | Wyzard | ziggle: in my (informal) testing, dact generally got about the same compression ratio as straight bzip2... sometimes even worse, due to the overhead of having to store which algorithm was used on each block |
| 05:58.56 | afra | I can mount a DVD but xine refuses to open a DVD complaining that /dev/dvd does not exist |
| 05:59.05 | guestish | i prefer lzma personally for compression... |
| 05:59.05 | afra | If I type mount /dev/dvd, this works |
| 05:59.06 | ziggle | wyzard: i will say bzip2 is far above most any other method i have ever seen |
| 05:59.16 | guestish | afra: do you have user level access to /dev/dvd? |
| 05:59.21 | Wyzard | ziggle: rzip is better |
| 05:59.33 | fluke | afra are you doing this while the dvd is mounted? does xine access the raw device? it's possibly "locked" ? |
| 05:59.34 | mosty | "better" is subjective |
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| 06:00.09 | scarynetworkguy | !better |
| 06:00.09 | dpkg | better is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 06:00.11 | guestish | Wyzard: ever try any LZMA variants? they seem to have a good compression ratio |
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| 06:00.23 | ziggle | aww, you can't pipeline rzip, looks pretty cool otherwise |
| 06:00.37 | Wyzard | ziggle: On files that contain long-range redundancy, rzip gives you a *significantly* better compression ratio... and in the worst case, no long-range redundancy, your compression ratio is the same as straight bzip2, plus negligible overhead |
| 06:00.43 | rich_ | If people arent smart enough to know that I dont speak for everyone, they come back shouting about it :) |
| 06:00.55 | ziggle | wyzard: i'll have to try it on some ISOs |
| 06:00.55 | rich_ | and learn quickly |
| 06:00.58 | afra | now it's saying device is busy when i try to umount it, but nothing is using it |
| 06:01.01 | mattyw | Can anyone tell me where to get Evolution 2.0 debs? |
| 06:01.07 | Wyzard | ziggle: ISOs are what I use it for, too |
| 06:01.07 | guestish | afra: whats your pwd? :) |
| 06:01.12 | afra | nevermind... |
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| 06:01.20 | ziggle | wyzard: ISOs are great to save a few hundred meg on |
| 06:01.22 | afra | nautlius launched something on it |
| 06:01.24 | guestish | Wyzard: really? whats your average ratio? |
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| 06:01.55 | guestish | afra: heh |
| 06:01.58 | afra | if I mount the dvd as normal user, ie. mount /dev/dvd, it works fine (and unmounting). |
| 06:02.13 | guestish | afra: sounds good |
| 06:02.53 | guestish | afra: i think you cant play a mounted dvd, but i could be wrong |
| 06:03.05 | Wyzard | guestish: varies widely depending on the contents of the file |
| 06:03.08 | GreenAsJade | Any clues about how to work out what apt-get's problem is? |
| 06:03.12 | guestish | Wyzard: for isos |
| 06:03.13 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: you are right |
| 06:03.15 | afra | but xine says: "there is no input plugin available to handle dvd:/" |
| 06:03.21 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: k |
| 06:03.26 | Wyzard | guestish: Varies widely depending on the contents of the CD :-) |
| 06:03.29 | afra | guestish: no I have since unmmounted it..i did it to see permission levels |
| 06:03.32 | guestish | afra: well then you dont have the appriate codec |
| 06:03.44 | guestish | afra: approiate |
| 06:03.48 | guestish | grrr, icant spell |
| 06:04.00 | ziggle | rzip seems to work well with 100MB+ files |
| 06:04.04 | guestish | Wyzard: heh... |
| 06:04.05 | afra | well it says (in terminal): libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading |
| 06:04.11 | guestish | Wyzard: always a catch isnt there ;) |
| 06:04.15 | guestish | afra: install libdvdcss |
| 06:04.29 | afra | no it's in there... |
| 06:04.37 | guestish | afra: libdvdcss2? |
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| 06:04.48 | ziggle | compression is only a factor when your bottleneck is bandwidth |
| 06:05.05 | Wyzard | ziggle: I compress things for long-term archival too |
| 06:05.07 | guestish | afra: you sure the disk isnt all scratched up? |
| 06:05.11 | afra | okay yeah it's a permissions problem..as root, xine will work |
| 06:05.17 | guestish | afra: k |
| 06:05.23 | afra | but i can normally mount it? |
| 06:05.32 | guestish | afra: you tell me |
| 06:05.42 | afra | i mean yes I can...mount /dev/dvd works fine |
| 06:05.44 | ziggle | wyzard: bandwidth to the future comes at a premium too, i'd imagine |
| 06:05.53 | guestish | afra: check read permissions |
| 06:06.04 | afra | should it be 644? |
| 06:06.10 | yargo | afra: your /etc/fstab probably gives you permission to mount (user option) |
| 06:06.11 | kingsley | Why did linux assign "/dev/hdc" instead of "/dev/hdb" to my second EIDE disk? Because they're plugged into different IDE connectors on the motherboard? |
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| 06:06.24 | guestish | afra: that gives read/write to user and read only to everyone else iirc |
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| 06:06.39 | guestish | afra: i would do 744 |
| 06:06.39 | ziggle | kingsley: a = primary master, b = primary slave, c = sec. master, d = sec slave |
| 06:06.42 | afra | 666 i mean |
| 06:06.58 | afra | yep that did it |
| 06:07.02 | guestish | ziggle: i have hde hdf, hdg hdh also :) |
| 06:07.07 | guestish | afra: nice |
| 06:07.13 | kingsley | ziggle: Excellent. Just as I suspected. Thanks for the reality check. |
| 06:07.15 | ziggle | or if you are rich like guestish |
| 06:07.18 | guestish | :) |
| 06:07.19 | afra | i feel stupid..i thought since i mounted it, I had permissions |
| 06:07.27 | afra | but as yargo suggested, /etc/fstab ... |
| 06:07.30 | ziggle | guestish: do you play with LVM at all? |
| 06:07.33 | guestish | ziggle: well i have the connectors, no drives are there atm |
| 06:07.33 | Wyzard | guestish: The best compression ratio I've seen is on disc 2 of Visual Studio .NET 2003... 414MB down to 91MB |
| 06:07.39 | guestish | Wyzard: o_O |
| 06:07.40 | Wyzard | guestish: That's way better than I get on most files though |
| 06:07.43 | Phated | Ooooooooooo. |
| 06:07.50 | guestish | ziggle: i only have 2 hds |
| 06:07.52 | afra | guestish, thanks man. I appreciate it |
| 06:08.01 | ziggle | does anyone have any experience with 1TB+ RAID arrays? |
| 06:08.02 | guestish | afra: np, enjoy the movie ;) |
| 06:08.06 | MobyTurbo | kingsley, you actually want, if you only have two drives, to have them both on different controllers. IDE serializes the master and slave for i/o |
| 06:08.06 | Wyzard | Phated: 1.5x to 2x is more typical though |
| 06:08.08 | try_catch_this | off to linu |
| 06:08.11 | try_catch_this | x |
| 06:08.18 | Phated | Wyzard: True. |
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| 06:08.30 | kingsley | MobyTurbo: I'm inclined to agree. |
| 06:08.38 | guestish | MobyTurbo: does that mean if i have 4 ide connectors i should stick them on 4 channels? |
| 06:08.45 | guestish | MobyTurbo: i mean 4 ide devices |
| 06:08.46 | ziggle | wyzard: the best ratio i have ever seen is gzip /dev/zero |
| 06:08.53 | guestish | MobyTurbo: 2 cdrom, 2 hard drives |
| 06:09.04 | guestish | ziggle: lol... |
| 06:09.11 | guestish | ziggle: little bit of repeating there eh? :) |
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| 06:09.25 | scarynetworkguy | and of course it's a trade off with speed |
| 06:09.26 | MobyTurbo | guestish, you should put the CD-ROMs on one controller and the hard drives on another - you *don't* want a hard drive slowed down by a CD-ROM. |
| 06:09.26 | guestish | i mean redundency |
| 06:09.28 | mosty | guestish, split the hard drives between the two controllers |
| 06:09.42 | guestish | MobyTurbo: i have a IDE controller card, so i have 4 ide channels |
| 06:09.46 | Wyzard | ziggle: If you want to be mean, run that for a few hours, send someone the resulting file, and tell them to decompress it. :-) |
| 06:09.56 | mosty | i move data between hard drives more than to/from cdrom drives |
| 06:10.03 | guestish | MobyTurbo: actually i have 2 controller cards, but only one plugged in atm, they seem to come whenever i buy a hard drive... |
| 06:10.05 | ziggle | wyzard: i wonder if rzip would chew even more RAM on that |
| 06:10.36 | Wyzard | ziggle: I don't think you can run rzip on a character special device... it needs to be able to seek around on the input file |
| 06:10.36 | MobyTurbo | guestish, does your motherboard have an IDE controller? |
| 06:10.39 | guestish | MobyTurbo: yes |
| 06:10.42 | ziggle | can you do root reiserfs in unstable right in the original installer? |
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| 06:10.54 | kingsley | Why is it that every grub example I've seen assigns /dev/hdc to "hd1"? If this is correct, how would grub notation specify /dev/hdb? |
| 06:11.03 | MobyTurbo | guestish, then if it's enabled you can't use the second controller anyway... |
| 06:11.09 | guestish | MobyTurbo: why not? |
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| 06:11.24 | ziggle | why is lilo even around anymore, grub is so nice. grub spoils me with its greatness. |
| 06:11.26 | guestish | MobyTurbo: i am using it, i have my cdroms on the onboard and my hard drives on the controller card |
| 06:11.27 | MobyTurbo | guestish, I think, don't quote me on this, that IDE is limited to two pairs. |
| 06:11.27 | Wyzard | kingsley: GRUB uses the BIOS drive enumeration... (hd1) means the second drive installed, no matter where it's actually connected |
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| 06:11.48 | guestish | MobyTurbo: j/k |
| 06:11.51 | cartman | ziggle: because grub doesnt work for everyone |
| 06:12.09 | ziggle | lilo has an interface like burnt toast |
| 06:12.11 | guestish | MobyTurbo: meh, in any case my set up now works fine |
| 06:12.16 | guestish | ziggle: mmmm...toast... |
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| 06:12.18 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: No, most IDE controllers (such as the one on your motherboard) only provide two channels (each supporting two drives), but there's nothing preventing you from adding more |
| 06:12.31 | guestish | let there be channels! |
| 06:12.35 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: I currently have two Promise Ultra100 cards installed, for a total of six IDE channels, supporting up to 12 drives |
| 06:12.45 | guestish | Wyzard: why? |
| 06:12.50 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard, I stand corrected then. Thanks |
| 06:12.53 | kingsley | Wyzard: Do you happen to know how BIOSes enumerate drives? For example, do BIOSes assume that the first drive is plugged into the first IDE connector? |
| 06:13.04 | Wyzard | guestish: Because I have five hard drives and two CD-ROMs |
| 06:13.17 | guestish | kingsley: onboard primary hda/hdb, onboard secondary hdc/hdd |
| 06:13.24 | guestish | kingsley: thats master/slave |
| 06:13.33 | guestish | Wyzard: RAID array? |
| 06:13.36 | rich_ | ziggle Maybe because people dont care. No one cares enough about the interface which theyd rather not use anyway, theyd rather just have it boot non-interactively. They care more about haveing it always work. For everyone |
| 06:13.55 | guestish | ziggle: well its better than the silo interface, ugh |
| 06:13.58 | Wyzard | kingsley: It can probably differ from system to system, but on mine it seems to be, boot drive first, followed by anything else in primary/secondary, master/slave order |
| 06:14.05 | ziggle | i like lilo and grub equally when they boot. i like grub better when my system doesn't boot :( |
| 06:14.22 | Wyzard | kingsley: I boot from hdb, so that drive is (hd0) in GRUB... hda is (hd1) |
| 06:14.27 | ziggle | silo is trash, I remember using it to boot an IPC, dreadful little machine |
| 06:14.33 | guestish | silo is like trying to talk to a japanese speaker when you only know english |
| 06:14.50 | Wyzard | guestish: A small RAID-0 and a larger LVM volume group |
| 06:14.56 | guestish | Wyzard: sweet |
| 06:14.59 | ziggle | booting on alpha is kind of painful with SRM. i kept screwing up the boot device. |
| 06:15.04 | Wyzard | guestish: When I get my new computer in a few months I'm hoping to to a terabyte RAID-5 |
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| 06:15.11 | guestish | Wyzard: you must do graphics editing or something like that that takes a ton of storage |
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| 06:15.15 | ziggle | Wyzard: are you going to use ext3? |
| 06:15.23 | guestish | im guessing xfs, its good for large files |
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| 06:15.27 | Wyzard | ziggle: No way... XFS or maybe reiser4 |
| 06:15.31 | DimSum | Anyone feel like helping me? |
| 06:15.35 | guestish | JFS isnt bad |
| 06:15.41 | xeon2 | How do I install the locale |
| 06:15.42 | guestish | !+ask |
| 06:15.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 06:15.43 | ziggle | Wyzard: is XFS stable? |
| 06:15.46 | guestish | ziggle: da |
| 06:15.49 | xeon2 | A bunch of applications are complaining. |
| 06:15.54 | Wyzard | ziggle: I'd say XFS for certain, except that there's no way to shrink an XFS filesystem, and that's a problem when using LVM and wanting to rearrange filesystems on occasion |
| 06:15.57 | DimSum | guestish: That WAS the question. |
| 06:16.02 | guestish | xeon2: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:16.06 | mosty | i've been running xfs for a couple of years, no problems |
| 06:16.08 | ziggle | Wyzard: I have to set up a 2TB array soon |
| 06:16.09 | Wyzard | ziggle: seems stable to me... it's been tried-and-true on SGI systems for years |
| 06:16.14 | guestish | xeon2: that or locale, i forget the name |
| 06:16.16 | DimSum | I want to know whether or not anyone is actually going to make an effort before I waste time asking questions that'll never get answered. |
| 06:16.22 | guestish | DimSum: no |
| 06:16.25 | Wyzard | ziggle: I'd be more concerned about whether reiser4 is stable, since it's very new |
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| 06:16.30 | ziggle | Wyzard: I won't be dealing with many LARGE files, mostly small ones |
| 06:16.35 | guestish | DimSum: and im not going to waste effort convincing you of that |
| 06:16.38 | guestish | !+questions |
| 06:16.38 | dpkg | remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> |
| 06:16.47 | DimSum | Sigh. |
| 06:16.54 | DimSum | Whatever. |
| 06:16.59 | ziggle | plonk |
| 06:17.01 | Wyzard | ziggle: then reiser is probably better for you... your main decision is between reiser3 (well-tested, very stable) and reiser4 (newer features, but released only recently) |
| 06:17.05 | DimSum | "Makefile:35: *** The kernel source is not configured. Stop." |
| 06:17.10 | DimSum | Why? |
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| 06:17.16 | guestish | DimSum: make menuconfig |
| 06:17.22 | DimSum | Done it already. |
| 06:17.30 | guestish | DimSum: or make xconfig, or make gconfig, or make oldconfig |
| 06:17.35 | DimSum | Done them all. |
| 06:17.37 | fluke | bye all! |
| 06:17.40 | guestish | DimSum: do you have a .config file? |
| 06:17.43 | ziggle | Wyzard: sounds like reiser3 is the best choice |
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| 06:17.46 | rich_ | Xfs is unshrinkable, but when you think about it, the special features of xfs work better, the bigger the disk is. Specifically, what good does it do for the filesystem to automatically put the most frequently accessed files on the fastest disk sectors, if your restricting which sectors it can use by partitioning them? |
| 06:17.55 | ziggle | is reiser3 shrinkable? |
| 06:18.00 | guestish | DimSum: what command are you executing? why? where? give some information!!! |
| 06:18.07 | guestish | ziggle: shrinkable? |
| 06:18.09 | rich_ | So ideally, one hard disk should have one partition |
| 06:18.21 | DimSum | A .config file which would be where? |
| 06:18.23 | ziggle | well if XFS is unshrinkable, certainly something is shrinkable |
| 06:18.26 | Wyzard | ziggle: I'm about 99% sure it is |
| 06:18.30 | Wyzard | ziggle: I know reiser4 is |
| 06:18.38 | guestish | DimSum: in the kernel-source-x.x.x directory |
| 06:18.47 | DimSum | No. |
| 06:18.50 | Wyzard | ziggle: ext2/3 are shrinkable too |
| 06:18.54 | guestish | DimSum: no .config file? |
| 06:18.57 | DimSum | Nope |
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| 06:19.04 | guestish | DimSum: then you didnt run make menuconfig and save your configuration |
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| 06:19.29 | Wyzard | ziggle: but I would strongly recommend against using ext2/3 on a 2TB filesystem containing many small files... they're table-based rather than tree-based so they don't scale well |
| 06:19.31 | ziggle | Wyzard: ext3 seems like the easiest for crash recovery, there's 10001 ext2 recovery tools |
| 06:19.37 | DimSum | Or at least, it's not showing up. |
| 06:19.46 | guestish | ziggle: ext2 recovery tools dont work with ext3... |
| 06:19.56 | guestish | DimSum: must i repeat myself? |
| 06:19.58 | ziggle | isn't it just ext2 + journal? |
| 06:20.02 | DimSum | No, you mustn't |
| 06:20.02 | try_catch_this | ... |
| 06:20.06 | guestish | ziggle: the journal interferes with the undelete tools |
| 06:20.08 | DimSum | I just saved it to .config, but it doesn't show up in the directory listing |
| 06:20.10 | guestish | DimSum: alright then |
| 06:20.14 | Wyzard | guestish: You'd think they would, since ext3 is just ext2 plus a journal... but (for example) e2defrag silently corrupts ext3 filesystems |
| 06:20.15 | guestish | DimSum: its a hidden file |
| 06:20.21 | DimSum | I'm aware of this |
| 06:20.27 | guestish | Wyzard: yeah, i know |
| 06:20.31 | guestish | DimSum: k |
| 06:20.32 | ziggle | i wish i had BeFS, i used to have great times with it |
| 06:20.36 | DimSum | Although I was under the impression that hidden files show up when you're using a root session |
| 06:20.38 | DimSum | Guess I was wrong |
| 06:20.43 | DimSum | Point is, it still doesn't work. |
| 06:20.44 | guestish | DimSum: only on bsd's ls |
| 06:20.55 | guestish | DimSum: you must be a recent convert |
| 06:20.56 | DimSum | I'm not trying to compile the kernel, I might add |
| 06:20.58 | ziggle | maybe lsd's ls too |
| 06:21.04 | guestish | DimSum: then what are you doing? |
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| 06:21.04 | DimSum | guestish: I'm not a convert; I've been forced into this. |
| 06:21.07 | Wyzard | BeFS stored MIME types as part of a file's metadata, right? |
| 06:21.11 | DimSum | I'm trying to install the latest orinoco driver |
| 06:21.15 | ziggle | yeah, it was great |
| 06:21.16 | Wyzard | That was the greatest idea ever... I wish all OSes did that |
| 06:21.19 | guestish | DimSum: let me guess, a freebsd user without driver support |
| 06:21.26 | ziggle | i loved storing ID3 data in filesystem metadata |
| 06:21.27 | DimSum | No. |
| 06:21.30 | guestish | ziggle: wow, thats cool |
| 06:21.39 | der-bob | can someone please give me the link to the FAQ of this channel? |
| 06:21.40 | guestish | DimSum: alright, well it doesnt matter, in any case what are you doing? |
| 06:21.45 | guestish | !tell der-bob about faq |
| 06:21.50 | der-bob | thx |
| 06:21.52 | guestish | np |
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| 06:21.55 | DimSum | I'm trying to install the latest orinoco driver <--- |
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| 06:22.06 | guestish | DimSum: im trying to see how this doesnt involve compiling a kernel |
| 06:22.07 | ziggle | you used to be able to use the BeOS search tool to build queries even on metadata schemas you set up yourself |
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| 06:22.17 | guestish | DimSum: and failing quite spectactuarly |
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| 06:22.46 | DimSum | guestish: It does. |
| 06:22.51 | guestish | ziggle: i wish microsoft ripped that file system off instead of creating ntfs (or whatever they did to use it) |
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| 06:23.00 | DimSum | But I have to apply the driver sources to the kernel first |
| 06:23.04 | try_catch_this | I need a dvd burner, these cd's are not cutting it any more |
| 06:23.08 | DimSum | And when I attempt to, with "make", it fails. |
| 06:23.10 | ziggle | guestish: i think they did, there's rumbling about metadata in longhorn |
| 06:23.19 | guestish | ziggle: cool |
| 06:23.21 | mac | I need some help figuring out just why apt (or aptitude) wants to remove a package... |
| 06:23.27 | guestish | ziggle: if they are going to steal something it might as well be a good idea |
| 06:23.36 | Wyzard | ziggle: If you're talking about WinFS, that's being delayed until a later release |
| 06:23.41 | ziggle | guestish: supposedly google is getting ready to do some kind of userspace searching tool, microsoft wants it first |
| 06:23.43 | guestish | DimSum: you dont understand how it all works, thats the problem |
| 06:23.47 | guestish | ziggle: heh |
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| 06:24.03 | guestish | DimSum: start from sratch and give me the whole story |
| 06:24.06 | mac | specifically, trying to install ddd, it wants to install a bunch of X stuff and then remove a perl package... |
| 06:24.09 | Wyzard | ziggle: However, GNOME Storage (http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/) looks interesting... |
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| 06:24.12 | guestish | DimSum: give me the blow by blow :) |
| 06:24.14 | DimSum | Sigh, where would you like me to start from? |
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| 06:24.22 | DimSum | I bought a bunch of hardware, and now I need to get it to work |
| 06:24.22 | mac | (which, given some fancy stuff I'm done w/perl, is a bad idea) |
| 06:24.27 | DimSum | I installed Ubuntu (debian-based distro) |
| 06:24.30 | ziggle | Wyzard: i guess they are just doing file snooping (say for ID3 tags) instead of having it IN the fs |
| 06:24.33 | guestish | DimSum: the beginning, with all the juicy details |
| 06:24.40 | DimSum | Then I downloaded the Orinoco 0.15RC2 driver source |
| 06:24.41 | cakoose | Did totem stop working for anybody? The last 'apt-get upgrade' broke mine. |
| 06:24.42 | Phated | Oh, no, NOT another Debian-based bullcrap thing! |
| 06:24.45 | guestish | DimSum: so what are you running now? |
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| 06:24.50 | DimSum | Ubuntu |
| 06:24.52 | guestish | ah |
| 06:24.54 | guestish | !+debian based |
| 06:24.55 | ziggle | Wyzard: so like Windows Search can say, look up artist, or for email, sender, etc. |
| 06:24.55 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 06:24.55 | DimSum | Comes with 2.6.8.1 |
| 06:25.07 | guestish | DimSum: on their webpage they even admit its not debian |
| 06:25.08 | DimSum | A debian answer should be just fine. |
| 06:25.08 | Wyzard | ziggle: ah, ok... that's not quite the same as WinFS |
| 06:25.14 | guestish | DimSum: k, go on then |
| 06:25.16 | Wyzard | ziggle: Take a look at that GNOME Storage link though |
| 06:25.23 | mqa | Just out of curiosity, Has there been any discussion on making several modules load at the same time. For example: ide or scsi drivers don't really depend on network drivers. |
| 06:25.24 | DimSum | As I was saying |
| 06:25.28 | DimSum | It's Kernel 2.6.8.1 |
| 06:25.30 | ziggle | Wyzard: linking up now |
| 06:25.35 | DimSum | So I downloaded linux-source-2.6.8.1 |
| 06:25.37 | Phated | !debian-based =~ s/Xebian,/Xebian, Ubuntu,/ |
| 06:25.37 | dpkg | Phated: i didn't have anything called 'debian-based' |
| 06:25.43 | DimSum | bunzip2'd it |
| 06:25.44 | Phated | !+debian-based =~ s/Xebian,/Xebian, Ubuntu,/ |
| 06:25.44 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'debian-based', Phated |
| 06:25.49 | guestish | Phated: no dash |
| 06:25.52 | Phated | !+debian based =~ s/Xebian,/Xebian, Ubuntu,/ |
| 06:25.52 | dpkg | Phated: that doesn't contain 'Xebian,' |
| 06:25.56 | Phated | Silly me. |
| 06:26.00 | Phated | Argh. |
| 06:26.06 | DimSum | untarred it |
| 06:26.13 | Phated | Yes it fucking contains Xebian, you damned dpkg. |
| 06:26.17 | guestish | DimSum: fine fine |
| 06:26.19 | guestish | Phated: msg dpkg |
| 06:26.21 | DimSum | Then extracted the driver source |
| 06:26.27 | Phated | guestish: Yessir. |
| 06:26.30 | cakoose | nobody with 'totem-xine' problems? |
| 06:26.35 | DimSum | And followed the instructions in the README, which consisted of "make". |
| 06:26.38 | Wyzard | ziggle: I like the idea of being able to type "the spreadsheet I was editing yesterday before I started playing Quake" in a file-open dialog and having it work :-) |
| 06:26.40 | guestish | Phated: ;) |
| 06:26.46 | DimSum | Which brings us back to the Kernel source not configured error. |
| 06:26.51 | guestish | DimSum: debian's patched kernels can cause errors |
| 06:26.52 | ziggle | Wyzard: do you play with OS X at all? |
| 06:27.00 | DimSum | guestish, well |
| 06:27.04 | DimSum | The problem has moved on a stage |
| 06:27.06 | guestish | DimSum: and i dont understnad what you are doing |
| 06:27.08 | Wyzard | ziggle: I've used it a bit, but I don't own any Macs myself |
| 06:27.16 | DimSum | guestish, PM? |
| 06:27.26 | guestish | DimSum: are the sources for a module or for a program? |
| 06:27.28 | guestish | DimSum: #flood |
| 06:27.29 | Wyzard | ziggle: If I ever buy a laptop, it'll most likely be a Powerbook, but I won't be doing that anytime soon |
| 06:27.41 | DimSum | Well, it's not for a flood, just a couple of linkx |
| 06:27.44 | DimSum | *Links |
| 06:27.45 | ziggle | Wyzard: they have this new feature in the next version, I think it is called Dashboard. it's basically tab-completion for the desktop |
| 06:27.46 | Phated | guestish: Damn dpkg to hell. |
| 06:27.48 | DimSum | They're for a driver. |
| 06:27.51 | guestish | DimSum: paste here then |
| 06:27.52 | guestish | Phated: heh |
| 06:27.54 | DimSum | Kk, sec |
| 06:28.03 | Phated | guestish: :D |
| 06:28.08 | ziggle | Wyzard: you can mash in the first few characters of an app, document, address book member, itunes mp3, etc, and it starts it |
| 06:28.10 | DimSum | http://www.nongnu.org/orinoco/ |
| 06:28.12 | DimSum | That's the driver |
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| 06:28.47 | DimSum | Anyway, I added a symlink from /lib/modules/2.6.8.1-2-386/build to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.8.1 |
| 06:28.53 | DimSum | And now the driver compilation gives me new errors |
| 06:28.59 | ziggle | Wyzard: i have a powerbook, it is very slick and useful |
| 06:29.02 | scarynetworkguy | !damn dpkg |
| 06:29.05 | ziggle | Wyzard: it even has apt-get if you install fink |
| 06:29.17 | DimSum | "Line 1: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: No such file or directory" |
| 06:29.26 | Wyzard | ziggle: I'll get one eventually, but my new desktop comes first, and that's going to be an AMD64 running Debian |
| 06:29.28 | DimSum | And a bunch of other stuff. |
| 06:29.29 | guestish | Phated: its fixed |
| 06:29.33 | DimSum | But that's the one that's screwing it up |
| 06:29.37 | ziggle | Wyzard: why did you decide on AMD64? |
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| 06:29.53 | scarynetworkguy | !fix dpkg |
| 06:29.55 | guestish | DimSum: heh, remove the symlink |
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| 06:29.58 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 06:30.05 | Chimpanzee | ook ook! |
| 06:30.07 | DimSum | If I do that, it goes back to Kernel Source not configured |
| 06:30.08 | Chimpanzee | ook ook ook? |
| 06:30.12 | guestish | DimSum: fine |
| 06:30.13 | Chimpanzee | ooh-ooh-ah-ah? |
| 06:30.15 | DimSum | The problem is, it finds the kernel source from that symlink I created |
| 06:30.26 | Wyzard | ziggle: Well, Intel's 64-bit equivalent would be a possibility too, but I don't think it's worth the higher price unless it has some really cool features that I haven't heard about yet |
| 06:30.27 | Chimpanzee | ook ook: apt-get install banana |
| 06:30.29 | K_Dallas | Sorry to ask but anyone got a favorite ftp client which is pretty easy and fast to use, somethign to easity change dir in and give ftp address in. thanks in advance (gftp or kbear didnt help much) |
| 06:30.33 | Phated | guestish: What was the problem with "that doesn't contan..."? |
| 06:30.38 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: shouldn't you be over in #ubuntu |
| 06:30.38 | guestish | DimSum: Q2: How do I compile/install the driver? The easiest way is to use the version included in the kernel source |
| 06:30.42 | Wyzard | ziggle: Basically, I want a 64-bit system and I'm happy with my current Athlon |
| 06:30.43 | ziggle | Wyzard: are you going for the 64 bit reason, or for something else? |
| 06:30.45 | scarynetworkguy | or however you spell it |
| 06:30.48 | Chimpanzee | ook? |
| 06:30.48 | guestish | Phated: debian based is a refer link |
| 06:30.52 | guestish | !+literal debian based |
| 06:30.52 | dpkg | debian based is Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just ecause something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 06:30.54 | DimSum | scarynetworkguy: They weren't helping ;P |
| 06:30.55 | Chimpanzee | apt-get install banana-tree |
| 06:31.05 | guestish | Phated: well it is, ignore that, heh |
| 06:31.07 | Phated | guestish: Ahh. |
| 06:31.09 | DimSum | guestish: That'd be great, except the version in the kernel source doesn't support monitor mode. |
| 06:31.12 | DimSum | You see my problem now? |
| 06:31.20 | Chimpanzee | ook ook? |
| 06:31.26 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: yeah but we tend to be rude here you might get your feelings hurt |
| 06:31.35 | Chimpanzee | ook ook :( |
| 06:31.40 | DimSum | scarynetworkguy: I don't give a shit, tbh |
| 06:31.49 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: that and Ubuntu is *not* Debian |
| 06:31.51 | guestish | DimSum: apt-get install pcmcia-source |
| 06:31.52 | DimSum | I just want this card to work |
| 06:31.58 | DimSum | guestish: What's that for? |
| 06:32.01 | Chimpanzee | apt-get install banana-tree? |
| 06:32.07 | Chimpanzee | ooh-ook |
| 06:32.09 | guestish | DimSum: thats the debianized version of that program |
| 06:32.09 | ziggle | yum, bananas |
| 06:32.13 | guestish | DimSum: er, modules |
| 06:32.17 | Chimpanzee | ooh-ooh-ah-ah? |
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| 06:32.20 | Chimpanzee | ook! |
| 06:32.33 | DimSum | pcmcia-source isn't the orinoco driver though |
| 06:32.36 | DimSum | Plus |
| 06:32.41 | tsp | hi |
| 06:32.41 | guestish | DimSum: its a much cleaner way or doing the same thing. it includes the orinoco driver |
| 06:32.43 | DimSum | "Couldn't find package pcmcia-source" |
| 06:32.47 | guestish | DimSum: of* |
| 06:32.49 | DimSum | Which version of the orinoco driver? |
| 06:33.02 | guestish | DimSum: should be the latest if you are using unstable |
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| 06:33.19 | guestish | DimSum: now heres where Ubuntu is getting in the way, you arent using debian repositories so it doesnt have all the packages |
| 06:33.26 | Phated | guestish: He's using Ubuntu. :| |
| 06:33.26 | DimSum | Ah. |
| 06:33.41 | DimSum | Of course, I could add the debian repository to the apt-sources file, though, right? |
| 06:33.41 | guestish | DimSum: i would recomend installing debian testing or unstable instead |
| 06:33.52 | ziggle | Wyzard: gnome storage looks pretty neat, it's too bad it's not for KDE |
| 06:33.53 | guestish | DimSum: no, Ubuntu is not debian |
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| 06:34.03 | DimSum | Sigh. |
| 06:34.04 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: the Ubuntu docs themselves say not to do that. |
| 06:34.06 | DimSum | I'm not installing debian |
| 06:34.12 | DimSum | No way in hell |
| 06:34.17 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: i know, i've read that |
| 06:34.19 | Phated | DimSum: So leave #debian |
| 06:34.20 | ziggle | DimSum: try the unstable installer, it's really nice |
| 06:34.20 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: them |
| 06:34.30 | DimSum | Depends on how you define "nice" really. |
| 06:34.31 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: if you choose to do somethig that fucking stupid do no come fucking whining at us when your shit breaks. |
| 06:34.33 | guestish | DimSum: well sorry then, good luck with another distro |
| 06:34.36 | guestish | DimSum: easy to use |
| 06:34.41 | DimSum | guestish, lol. |
| 06:34.51 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: then WTF are you telling him to do that? |
| 06:34.52 | guestish | DimSum: you think im joking? |
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| 06:34.54 | ziggle | DimSum: i have never had a problem with the unstable installer |
| 06:35.01 | DimSum | guestish: No, I just think you're wrong :) |
| 06:35.01 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: hes saying to do it, im saying dont |
| 06:35.07 | scarynetworkguy | ziggle: ther is no unstable installer |
| 06:35.09 | guestish | DimSum: have you used it? |
| 06:35.19 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: cool I must have misread. Sorry |
| 06:35.23 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: np |
| 06:35.23 | DimSum | No, but I've used Linux |
| 06:35.35 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: "unstable" as in "in development"... the sarge installer |
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| 06:35.41 | guestish | DimSum: try it before you judge |
| 06:35.41 | DimSum | "Linux" and "easy to use" don't go together in the same sentence. |
| 06:35.44 | Phated | DimSum: OK, so if you're not installing Debian, leave. |
| 06:35.52 | DimSum | Neither does "Linux" and "good graphical interface" |
| 06:35.55 | Phated | DimSum: Oh, please, then go back to Windows and shut the fuck up. |
| 06:35.55 | DimSum | or "linux" and "usable" |
| 06:36.05 | guestish | DimSum: in any case im not your boss so do what you want |
| 06:36.05 | ziggle | DimSum: it is at least as easy to use as the older installer |
| 06:36.07 | bruno | lol |
| 06:36.09 | DimSum | Phated: Would you like a hug? |
| 06:36.14 | Wyzard | DimSum: FWIW, I've been running Debian full-time on my desktop for the past four years |
| 06:36.14 | Phated | DimSum: Fuck off. |
| 06:36.17 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: then go bother your fellow fucktards over at #ubuntu |
| 06:36.31 | DimSum | scarynetworkguy: You seem to have a lot of hate for Ubuntu |
| 06:36.42 | guestish | DimSum: stop trolling and go away, im sure the folks in #Ubuntu would be happy to help you |
| 06:36.42 | peterS | DimSum: dim indeed |
| 06:36.43 | ziggle | so much ubuntu hostility, I think it is a good thing that more debian core members have commercial support |
| 06:36.44 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: yes yes I do |
| 06:36.48 | Phated | DimSum: Yes, because we've noted that the people who use it are mainly fucktards like you. |
| 06:36.55 | DimSum | To be honest, I don't see anything wrong with it. Read about it on OSNews and it looked pretty nice |
| 06:37.03 | DimSum | Gnome 2.8, as well. Major plus-point there. |
| 06:37.05 | guestish | DimSum: its fine, its just not debian |
| 06:37.09 | Phated | It's not Debian, ergo, don't ask about it in here. |
| 06:37.11 | guestish | DimSum: do you undetstand?" |
| 06:37.15 | guestish | understand? |
| 06:37.18 | guestish | man, i cant spell tonight |
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| 06:37.25 | DimSum | guestish, Of course; I was merely communicating to scarynetworkguy that his hatred of it was confusion. |
| 06:37.27 | DimSum | *Confusing |
| 06:37.34 | Phated | guestish: Dude, you can think, it's better than some people in here. :) |
| 06:37.41 | ziggle | duhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 06:37.45 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: The main thing is that you are in #debian going on about something that is *not* Debian |
| 06:37.52 | guestish | Phated: :) |
| 06:37.56 | Phated | DimSum: Also dissing Debian. |
| 06:37.58 | Phated | guestish: :) |
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| 06:38.01 | ziggle | dissing to the max |
| 06:38.05 | Phated | Heck yes. |
| 06:38.07 | DimSum | scarynetworkguy: Fair enough |
| 06:38.14 | DimSum | As I said, the people in Ubuntu weren't helpful. |
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| 06:38.19 | DimSum | At least guestish actually ATTEMPTED to help. |
| 06:38.22 | guestish | DimSum: fine, but remember hes allowed to have his opinion, so just leave him alone |
| 06:38.24 | Phated | DimSum: What a surprise. |
| 06:38.25 | DimSum | Which I respect. |
| 06:38.37 | Phated | DimSum: He tried to help because he thought you were using Debian. |
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| 06:38.42 | DimSum | No he didn't |
| 06:38.46 | mac | I've refined my question; is there a way to figure out why a package wants to be upgraded? |
| 06:38.47 | DimSum | I explained to him from the start I was using Ubuntu. |
| 06:38.58 | Phated | guestish: Did you know he was using Debian at his very first question? |
| 06:39.05 | Wyzard | mac: Generally it's because there's a newer version available... |
| 06:39.12 | ziggle | blah blah ubuntu blah blah |
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| 06:39.14 | mosty | dimsum, there's an entire channel dedicated to the distribution you want help with. why aren't you there instead? |
| 06:39.20 | ziggle | why is this still even being acknowledged |
| 06:39.23 | DimSum | mosty: I already explained; they were unhelpful. |
| 06:39.25 | mac | Fair enough. Is there a way to force it to _not_ upgrade something? |
| 06:39.30 | Phated | mac: Pin it. |
| 06:39.32 | guestish | Phated: who cares |
| 06:39.34 | DimSum | Anyway, I'm going to go fix this piece of shit, so; bbl. |
| 06:39.35 | mac | how? |
| 06:39.39 | mosty | dimsum, this channel will be even less helpful |
| 06:39.39 | guestish | !+pin |
| 06:39.39 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: having any luck here? |
| 06:39.42 | Phated | guestish: Fair enough. |
| 06:39.43 | guestish | !+hold |
| 06:39.43 | dpkg | from memory, hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect, or 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold |
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| 06:40.04 | Phated | DimSum: No, *don't* bbl. we're really not interested in having you around. |
| 06:40.13 | mac | so, say, if I wanted to pin perl, I would do 'apt-get install =perl'? |
| 06:40.15 | ziggle | seething contempt |
| 06:40.20 | guestish | mac: read the factoid |
| 06:40.24 | Phated | ziggle: Yes. |
| 06:40.25 | guestish | !tell mac about hold |
| 06:40.37 | yargo | mac: are you trying to install something that depends on a newer version of perl? |
| 06:40.37 | DimSum | Phated: !care. |
| 06:40.49 | scarynetworkguy | ziggle: yes massive hatred and loathing |
| 06:40.53 | Phated | DimSum: So leave. |
| 06:41.02 | ziggle | he can't leave, now it's like a car wreck |
| 06:41.09 | Phated | ziggle: *sigh* |
| 06:41.12 | scarynetworkguy | DimSum: What we need you to do is go out in the front yard and play a nice rousing game of hide and go fuck yourself |
| 06:41.26 | DimSum | scarynetworkguy: And you and Phated need to drink big, tall glasses of stfu. |
| 06:41.30 | guestish | how about we change the subject... |
| 06:41.33 | Phated | guestish: Oh? |
| 06:41.35 | DimSum | In fact; http://msbetas.net/arnie.jpg |
| 06:41.41 | ziggle | has anyone ever used distcc in conjunction with apt-get -b source? |
| 06:41.46 | dondelelcaro | DimSum: this channel doesn't deal with ubuntu. Try #ubunto |
| 06:41.53 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Oh, hello. |
| 06:42.01 | dondelelcaro | s/o$/u/ |
| 06:42.11 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Apparently, the people in there are "not being helpful". |
| 06:42.28 | mac | yargo: yes, it looks like I might be... |
| 06:42.37 | dondelelcaro | Phated: ahh.. Well, that's not really our concern as far as I can tell... ;-) |
| 06:42.49 | Phated | dondelelcaro: No, except he's bugging us here instead. :) |
| 06:42.53 | mac | even after holding it, apt-get --no-act install gives me a 'the following packages will be changed: perl' and wants to upgrade it anyway. |
| 06:43.07 | Phated | mac: What's wrong with upgrading perl? |
| 06:43.11 | scarynetworkguy | Which I find ironic since their entire deal is based on everybody feeling good about themselves and helping each other out |
| 06:43.31 | ziggle | scarynetworkguy: i hear they have a distrobution too |
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| 06:43.35 | yargo | mac: if you don't want to upgrade your perl, try installing an earlier version version the package, one that depends on the version of perl your have installed. |
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| 06:43.42 | scarynetworkguy | ziggle: have you read their site? |
| 06:43.49 | Phated | Oh, true, did anyone read their "Code of Conduct"? Makes a good laugh, really. |
| 06:43.56 | mac | My perl install's a bit crazy; bunch of specially patched modules and whatnot. |
| 06:43.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes yes it does |
| 06:43.57 | ziggle | scarynetworkguy: it looks like the communist manifesto mixed with sarge |
| 06:44.04 | Phated | ziggle: Good god! That bad? |
| 06:44.05 | scarynetworkguy | ziggle: yeah pretty much |
| 06:44.24 | Phated | Now I really should read it. |
| 06:44.26 | mac | yargo: good idea; is there an easy way to figure out dependencies for older versions...wait, that's a dumb question. |
| 06:44.34 | mac | :-P |
| 06:44.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: do you have a fork handy? |
| 06:44.53 | Wyzard | grr |
| 06:45.00 | mac | I imagine a --no-act pkgname-version will do the trick. |
| 06:45.01 | Wyzard | Can someone explain to me why so many IRC servers require identd? |
| 06:45.02 | ziggle | i think it's a great effort though, now debian has some more companies paying to work on it |
| 06:45.15 | Wyzard | What useful capability does it provide? |
| 06:45.20 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Always do. |
| 06:45.22 | scarynetworkguy | ziggle: you think Ubuntu is a great effort? |
| 06:45.26 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: because they think it means that you can find which user is running the irc client |
| 06:45.30 | ziggle | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 06:45.30 | cahoot | Phated: know where this qoute is from? 'At this point you will find yourself among the friendly crowd of #debian inhabitants.' |
| 06:45.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah you'll need it for after reading that crap |
| 06:45.39 | scarynetworkguy | !lart ziggle |
| 06:45.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: A great effort, but... Not the right direction. |
| 06:45.47 | mosty | wyzard: to filter broken irc proxies |
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| 06:46.05 | yargo | mac: or if your using aptitude, the versions available are listed on the bottom, just enter one of them and see if the perl version is statisfied. |
| 06:46.06 | ziggle | Phated: what would be a good direction |
| 06:46.06 | Phated | cahoot: "The Hitchhiker's Guide to Not Annoying Phated?" :D |
| 06:46.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 06:46.11 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: But knowing the remote user's name is next to useless... it's a completely arbitrary string that nobody else can do anything useful with |
| 06:46.22 | scarynetworkguy | ziggle: no it's a horrible direction |
| 06:46.31 | mac | hmm, maybe this is a different problem than I though. I noticed that I can have aptitude do no-recommendations; can I have it do no-suggested, too? (man page doesn't seem to say) |
| 06:46.35 | Phated | ziggle: Away from Ubuntu and other "Debian-based" that really slice up Debian's philosophy and such. |
| 06:46.42 | dondelelcaro | mac: yes, you can. |
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| 06:47.14 | ziggle | Phated: I suppose I'm thinking more of a 'trickle-down' benefit, like bugfixes that could be incorporated, etc |
| 06:47.16 | dondelelcaro | mac: actually, suggests aren't followed at any time. |
| 06:47.20 | mac | ('cause it looks like ddd is 'suggesting' perl >=5.8.0...) |
| 06:47.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: and that have all kinds of fucked up security practices |
| 06:47.29 | Phated | Oh, my god. "The Ubuntu community and its members must |
| 06:47.29 | Phated | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.35 | scarynetworkguy | ziggle: no because they are fucking leaches |
| 06:47.37 | mac | Oh, well then, nevermind. |
| 06:47.40 | ziggle | Ubuntu love you long time |
| 06:47.56 | Phated | Who was it who was asking us to "drink nice tall glasses of stfu"? |
| 06:48.02 | dondelelcaro | Phated: Branden |
| 06:48.12 | Phated | dondelelcaro: No, our resident ubuntu moron. |
| 06:48.13 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: no Branden has a right to do so |
| 06:48.22 | Phated | Who's Branden? |
| 06:48.32 | ziggle | in science, men stand on other men's shoulders. in computer science, men stand on each other's feet. |
| 06:48.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: overfiend. |
| 06:48.41 | Ryo-Ohki | hrm |
| 06:48.49 | dondelelcaro | "you like the cup... drink from the cup" |
| 06:48.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhhh, him. |
| 06:49.04 | Ryo-Ohki | is there any way to access a Linux/xfs partition from windows? |
| 06:49.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah |
| 06:49.16 | ziggle | what is more dead, AmigaOS or BeOS? i keep losing track... |
| 06:49.19 | peterS | Ryo-Ohki: not that I've ever heard of |
| 06:49.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :| |
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| 06:49.54 | Phated | ziggle: I think they're equally dead, but BeOS seems to be much-loved. |
| 06:49.55 | peterS | ziggle: BeOS has fewer fans left |
| 06:49.56 | gordonjcp | morning people |
| 06:50.01 | peterS | ziggle: they're otherwise about equal |
| 06:50.14 | gordonjcp | and bots |
| 06:50.22 | poin_t | guys, any suggestions of good helpdesk software? |
| 06:50.26 | ziggle | both BeOS and AmigaOS keep burping up from time to time |
| 06:50.32 | yargo | anyone know of the top of there head what kernel sarge is going to ship with? |
| 06:50.34 | Phated | peterS: I'm sorry. :D |
| 06:50.43 | peterS | yargo: two kernels, at least |
| 06:50.48 | peterS | yargo: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8-or-so |
| 06:50.54 | Phated | yargo: 2.4.* and 2.6.7 or something. |
| 06:51.01 | Phated | peterS: Better? :D |
| 06:51.01 | Wyzard | 2.6 being the default, I hope |
| 06:51.05 | peterS | Phated: somewhat better |
| 06:51.08 | Phated | Wyzard: Think so. |
| 06:51.08 | peterS | Wyzard: nah |
| 06:51.10 | Phated | peterS: :D |
| 06:51.15 | Wyzard | (when I installed the other day, the 2.4 was selected by default) |
| 06:51.20 | ziggle | there is even a site, http://www.yellowtab.com that will sell you BeOS "v6", which is an improved version of the source they bought from Be |
| 06:51.22 | Phated | peterS: Hahahahahaha we're never going to get this right, are we? :D |
| 06:51.34 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah, if you just hit Enter you get 2.4.27. if you type "linux26" and hit Enter, you get 2.6 |
| 06:51.53 | Wyzard | peterS: It should be the other way around, with "linux" and "linux24" |
| 06:52.02 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 06:52.05 | peterS | Wyzard: make your case to #debian-boot. but prepare to be mocked |
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| 06:52.25 | peterS | Wyzard: 2.4.27 is more stable than 2.6.7 or 2.6.8 and I'll stand by the d-i people's opinion on this |
| 06:52.59 | ziggle | i've never had a problem with 2.6.7, but it's on really vanilla hardware |
| 06:53.09 | peterS | ziggle: yeah, you're probably using i386 or compatible |
| 06:53.11 | Wyzard | I don't know anyone who's had stability problems with 2.6 kernels, and I don't think we should be giving old kernels to new users |
| 06:53.13 | Phated | I haven't had problems with 2.6.7 either. |
| 06:53.21 | ziggle | peterS: I have had many problems on alpha though |
| 06:53.27 | peterS | Wyzard: "old kernels"? 2.4.27 came out less than 2 months ago, I think |
| 06:53.39 | Wyzard | 2.4.x as a whole are old |
| 06:53.44 | Phated | peterS: But 2.6.7 came out less than 2 weeks ago! :D |
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| 06:53.57 | peterS | Wyzard: well, you in your infinite wisdom can explain to #debian-boot why they made the wrong choice, then |
| 06:54.04 | guestish | Phated: thats 2.6.8.1 |
| 06:54.12 | Phated | guestish: Oh, very well. |
| 06:54.35 | guestish | Wyzard: 2.4.27 is infinitely more stable and i DO know people who have had 2.6 based problems |
| 06:54.36 | peterS | Phated: not true. 2.6.7 has been around awhile |
| 06:54.37 | mosty | wyzard: old and stable. these are good qualities for the default kernel on a soon-to-be-stable release |
| 06:54.41 | Phated | peterS: Yessir. |
| 06:55.17 | peterS | Phated: the Debian packaging of 2.6.8-1-* is about 2 weeks old, though |
| 06:55.23 | Phated | peterS: Ahh. |
| 06:55.24 | peterS | well, 3 weeks by now |
| 06:55.29 | guestish | Wyzard: one being me |
| 06:56.15 | guestish | Wyzard: now giving a 2.6 option im all for, but 2.4.x should be the default |
| 06:56.19 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: funny I built a kernel off of the Debian sources for 2.6.8 on Aug 16 |
| 06:56.21 | ziggle | does anyone run any Prescott HT chips && debian? |
| 06:56.46 | Caelum | ziggle: you mean P4s? |
| 06:56.57 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: kernel-image-2.6.8-i386 (2.6.8-2) unstable; urgency=high |
| 06:56.58 | ziggle | Caelum: yes |
| 06:56.59 | guestish | night all |
| 06:57.03 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: -- Andres Salomon <dilinger@voxel.net> Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:42:43 -0400 |
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| 06:57.19 | Caelum | ziggle: lots of people do, works fine, in either smp or single cpu mode |
| 06:57.31 | ziggle | Caelum: i cannot get mine going in SMP |
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| 06:57.47 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: on the 16th, version 2.6.8-1 came out. I'm running 2.6.8-2 which is a couple weeks newer |
| 06:57.48 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: right that was -2 -1 was out before that |
| 06:57.58 | Caelum | ziggle: later 2.6 kernels have some optimizations for scheduling on HT as well. It doesn't boot? what happens? |
| 06:58.24 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: peterS> | Phated: the Debian packaging of 2.6.8-1-* is about 2 weeks old, though |
| 06:58.25 | ziggle | Caelum: I don't remember, i THINK something about apic, but i could reboot if you are curious |
| 06:58.27 | kingsley | Is my assumption correct that most BIOSes treat the secondary master drive as HDD-2? |
| 06:58.48 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: I meant the latest one, right, as in, the one that fixes bugs that one would want fixed in sarge |
| 06:59.05 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: that's not what you said. But yes in that case you are right |
| 06:59.08 | Caelum | ziggle: you need apic for smp to work, afaik, but you could try passing noapic |
| 06:59.20 | Caelum | kingsley: 3 |
| 06:59.30 | ziggle | Caelum: i've tried that, no result. i know it works in linux though, because I get SMP in knoppix |
| 06:59.35 | Caelum | kingsley: err, if it starts with 0 then 2 |
| 06:59.37 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: you'll notice I also said "about 2 weeks old" before checking and then noticing that it was, in fact, about 3 weeks |
| 06:59.44 | kingsley | Caelum: It starts with 0... |
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| 06:59.56 | mac | so, back to my perl troubles: it looks as if an older version (1:3.3.1-14) doesn't want new perl; how do I go about installing it? (sorry for the newbie question there; I'm not traditionally a debian guy) |
| 07:00.04 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: ok whatever |
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| 07:00.33 | Caelum | mac: try apt-get build-dep foo && apt-get -b source foo |
| 07:00.45 | ziggle | Caelum: does HT count as SMP? i was using the kernel-smp package. |
| 07:00.48 | Caelum | ziggle: compile a newer kernel? |
| 07:00.52 | Caelum | ziggle: yeah |
| 07:01.06 | ziggle | Caelum: i was just apt'n them, i haven't compiled my own. |
| 07:01.19 | Caelum | ziggle: you could run it in single cpu mode, too, there are some advantages that way |
| 07:01.19 | kingsley | Does a tool exist, possibly "grub", that reports which drives the BIOS sees, and what it calls them? |
| 07:01.22 | pw | Yes, HT processors will use an SMP kernel. |
| 07:01.34 | ziggle | kingsley: fdisk -l? |
| 07:01.35 | mac | Caelum: sounds scary. :-) what exactly is that doing? |
| 07:01.49 | ziggle | Caelum: i'm on it now in single CPU mode |
| 07:01.50 | Jens | Hi i need help, when i copy from my debian to my windows over samba or over winscp it copies the first mb's and then stops. what can i do? |
| 07:01.51 | Caelum | mac: compiling the package |
| 07:02.02 | ziggle | Caelum: I just really want CPU0 and CPU1 in GKrellM |
| 07:02.19 | mac | is there a way to preview the results of the build-dep to see if it's going to behave itself? |
| 07:02.20 | ziggle | it looks uber-cool |
| 07:02.30 | Caelum | mac: if it builds, it should work |
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| 07:03.20 | Caelum | ziggle: have you tried the kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp |
| 07:03.28 | Caelum | mac: build dependencies, yeah |
| 07:03.32 | ziggle | Caelum: i am running apt to fetch it now |
| 07:03.41 | ziggle | Caelum: i will boot and record what happens |
| 07:04.38 | mac | is there a way to observe what dependencies it's going to build before it does it? If my perl breaks, login goes to hell on this box.... |
| 07:04.59 | dondelelcaro | mac: use pbuilder |
| 07:05.18 | mac | ? |
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| 07:05.58 | ziggle | why is irqbalance a recommended package on kernel install? |
| 07:06.09 | Jens | Hi i need help, when i copy from my debian to my windows over samba or over winscp it copies the first mb's and then stops. what can i do? |
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| 07:06.49 | dondelelcaro | ziggle: uh, which kernel-image? |
| 07:07.01 | ziggle | -1-686-smp |
| 07:07.11 | ziggle | 2.6.8 |
| 07:08.13 | dondelelcaro | ziggle: because it's usefull if you have a multi-cpu system |
| 07:08.28 | ziggle | dondelelcaro: what does it do? |
| 07:08.37 | dondelelcaro | ziggle: apt-cache show irqbalance |
| 07:08.56 | ziggle | sounds useful |
| 07:09.00 | ziggle | i'll install it up |
| 07:09.10 | ziggle | i'm apt to install it now, ha ha ha |
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| 07:09.35 | mac | So, it looks like older binary packages aren't kept around, hence my need to install from source? |
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| 07:12.13 | ziggle | when grub says it may take a long time to probe drives it is not kidding, it's been like 5 minutes |
| 07:12.57 | mac | So, I'm thinking that apt-get --no-opt build-dep foo should do (at least the beginning of) what I want. |
| 07:13.14 | mac | However, now I can't figure out the syntax to tell it package + version. |
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| 07:13.41 | mac | ddd-3.3.1 doesn't work ('unable to find a source package'), ddd-3.3.1-14 doesn't work (ditto), etc. |
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| 07:14.10 | ziggle | IRC in emacs = hardcore |
| 07:14.24 | debian-newbe | how are you all? |
| 07:14.28 | ziggle | IRC in vi = double hardcore |
| 07:14.53 | mac | ziggle, don't know about that; ':shell' makes it easy. |
| 07:14.54 | mac | :-P |
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| 07:16.08 | scarynetworkguy | ziggle: first of all you meant IRC in emacs == hardcore. |
| 07:16.33 | Phated | ziggle: Second of all no one IRCs in vi because vi isn't as bloated as emacs. |
| 07:16.40 | mac | scarynetworkguy, the only correct writing of that is => hardcore,; == just means it's a statement that could be true. |
| 07:16.53 | deadcat | ibook too hard to buy/bid )= cant win. going for a dell now. (= |
| 07:17.02 | Phated | Isn't as bloated == doesn't contain anything other than a bloody text editor. |
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| 07:17.08 | K_Dallas | Q: Would it be easy to replace XFree with Xorg? |
| 07:17.10 | mac | Now, why can't apt find any source packages? garr... |
| 07:17.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: very true |
| 07:17.19 | deadcat | K_Dallas: no |
| 07:17.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
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| 07:17.27 | K_Dallas | anyplan to replace it |
| 07:17.36 | deadcat | !tell K_Dallas about xorg |
| 07:17.49 | deadcat | K_Dallas: /topic (= |
| 07:17.53 | ziggle | scarynetworkguy: how do you know i didn't mean IRC in emacs := hardcore? |
| 07:17.59 | Phated | mac: Have you configured apt to get source packages? You should have a line that looks like : deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 07:18.09 | scarynetworkguy | also IRC in emacs causes cancer |
| 07:18.14 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 07:18.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 07:18.23 | ziggle | IRC in emacs causes cancer... and i'm loving it!!! |
| 07:18.33 | debian-newbe | q: anyone want to log in on my machine and see if they can find the error that makes my net so slow? |
| 07:18.34 | mac | deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free |
| 07:18.39 | mac | (from /etc/apt/sources.list) |
| 07:18.49 | ziggle | debian-newbe: maybe it is all the people you have logged in? |
| 07:18.50 | Phated | mac: Hm, then you should be golden. |
| 07:18.55 | Phated | ziggle: Hahahahahaha. |
| 07:18.57 | scarynetworkguy | and vi unlie emacs follows the Unix Philosophy so you can't IRC from it |
| 07:19.07 | scarynetworkguy | s/unlie/unlike |
| 07:19.13 | mac | Phated, do I have the pkgname-version syntax wrong? |
| 07:19.21 | Phated | mac: What's your syntax? |
| 07:19.21 | debian-newbe | ziggle no, no people have been in yep :) |
| 07:19.34 | mac | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.51 | mac | (also been tried without the -14) |
| 07:19.53 | ziggle | i have kernel 2.6.8 smp installed, preparing to reboot |
| 07:20.02 | Phated | mac: Hm... Doesn't look wrong. |
| 07:20.12 | mac | gives: |
| 07:20.14 | mac | E: Unable to find a source package for ddd-3.3.1-14 |
| 07:20.26 | Phated | Hang on. |
| 07:21.14 | Phated | Hm... No idea what could be wrong. |
| 07:21.43 | mac | I did an apt-get update beforehand after editing sources.list, as well. |
| 07:22.01 | Phated | See, it's odd, because I can't even find ddd-3.3.1-14 at all. |
| 07:22.05 | mac | is there some way to get it to list the available source packages? |
| 07:22.33 | mac | Well, it's one of the two versions that aptitude lists; the other is 3.3.9-something, but that one will cause trouble. |
| 07:23.01 | Phated | Ahh, aptitude. Why not use aptitude, it might be able to do a source download and compile/ |
| 07:23.13 | scarynetworkguy | mac: what package are you installing? |
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| 07:23.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: ddd-3.3.1-14 |
| 07:23.22 | ziggle | back in with SMP, yaay for 2.6.8 |
| 07:23.53 | mac | phated: beat me to my own punch. hehe |
| 07:24.10 | scarynetworkguy | mac: what branch of Debian? |
| 07:24.19 | mac | woody. |
| 07:24.31 | mac | (mostly, anyway; there is some stuff left over from stable) |
| 07:24.52 | scarynetworkguy | mac: Data Display Debugger? |
| 07:24.55 | mac | Yes. |
| 07:25.06 | mac | but without perl-5.8.x |
| 07:25.10 | scarynetworkguy | mac: try just using ddd as the package name |
| 07:25.20 | Phated | mac: :D |
| 07:25.33 | mac | ...won't that try to get the most-recent version? |
| 07:25.49 | scarynetworkguy | mac: yes |
| 07:25.50 | Phated | No, only the most recent version available for woody. |
| 07:25.54 | mac | (note that 3.3.1-14 isn't the most recent) |
| 07:26.02 | Phated | Not the most available worldwide version. |
| 07:26.18 | mac | Well, methinks the newer one is available for woody, as a straight apt-get install ddd tries to get it. |
| 07:26.29 | scarynetworkguy | mac: you want an old verison? |
| 07:26.31 | Phated | Hm. |
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| 07:26.48 | mac | yes, or a way to get the newer one without anything getting near my perl install. |
| 07:27.02 | mac | (and I'd really hate to have to go build it from scratch...) |
| 07:27.16 | mac | (in the 'skip apt entirely) sort of way. |
| 07:27.51 | scarynetworkguy | mac: your best chance is to download the woody package and install it with dpkg |
| 07:28.07 | mac | IE go get the older one from somewhere or other? |
| 07:28.20 | mac | (or, get the new one and tell it to please ignore dependencies?) |
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| 07:28.32 | scarynetworkguy | mac http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ddd&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 07:28.56 | Phated | Oh, how hard can it be to build entirely from scratch... |
| 07:29.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: not that bad |
| 07:29.11 | Phated | :D |
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| 07:29.13 | hcy | hello, is there a way I can get hebrew characters in my gnome terminal window? so far, any non-english characters show up as question-marks. |
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| 07:29.35 | mac | Phated, I run gentoo on my workstations, and a hacked-up solaris on my big server...not bad at all, I promise. |
| 07:29.38 | mac | But I'd rather not. |
| 07:29.40 | mac | :-D |
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| 07:30.31 | tosh | I configured Xwindows using xf86config, but when trying to load startx, I get an error on Section "InputDevice" it gives me "not a recognized section name", which it is... anyone seen this before? |
| 07:30.37 | scarynetworkguy | mac: anyway you can get the old deb from that link I gave you then just do a dpkg -i on it and Robert will be your uncle and Fanny will be your aunt |
| 07:30.43 | Phated | mac: Ahhhhh... |
| 07:30.54 | mac | Phated: ? |
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| 07:31.01 | mac | scarynetworkguy, let's see what happens... |
| 07:31.11 | cartman | tosh: your XF86Config-4 is broken |
| 07:31.41 | mac | Phated: or, just look at it this way: my only x86 server runs debian. |
| 07:31.41 | tosh | cartman I only have XF86Config, not XF86Config-4 |
| 07:31.42 | kingsley | Why would grub-install report "The file /mnt/hdc2/boot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." when the "find" command at grub's command line sees it? |
| 07:31.50 | cartman | tosh: same |
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| 07:31.54 | Phated | mac: Ahhh. |
| 07:32.00 | scarynetworkguy | At least he's not running Ubuntu |
| 07:32.13 | tosh | any better way to configure X than xf86config? |
| 07:32.16 | tosh | is there a debian tool? |
| 07:32.17 | ziggle | fear and loathing with Ubuntu linux |
| 07:32.24 | ziggle | we're ALL debian tools |
| 07:32.26 | cartman | tosh: X -configure |
| 07:32.27 | scarynetworkguy | tosh: vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 07:32.30 | cartman | tosh: it auto configures |
| 07:32.37 | gordonjcp | scarynetworkguy: what's the general consensus on ubuntu then? Not Debian? |
| 07:32.41 | cartman | tosh: but you need to fix resolution afterwards |
| 07:32.43 | mac | hahaha. Since I'm now in 'do the deps yourself' mode, is there a happy way to list everything I've got installed? |
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| 07:32.58 | tosh | I got it to work once, but the cursus was a little square with fluo colors |
| 07:33.14 | tosh | cursor* |
| 07:33.50 | tosh | ill run xf86config again then |
| 07:33.57 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:34.04 | Phated | !lart scarynetworkguy |
| 07:34.40 | Phated | gordonjcp: General consensus on Ubuntu: "Don't you fucking dare come in here asking for help with it." |
| 07:34.54 | scarynetworkguy | oh look I woke the troll up. |
| 07:35.05 | Phated | Oops. |
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| 07:35.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: not you :D |
| 07:35.26 | Phated | :D |
| 07:35.37 | pw | gordonjcp: I don't know anything about Ubuntu except that I like the artwork. It is pretty! |
| 07:35.43 | pingouiin | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed |
| 07:35.45 | pingouiin | what XMMS needs to workd ? it's not install dependencies ? |
| 07:35.47 | rich_ | mac man dpkg and after you mess it up, if you try again,let it install what it says it needs |
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| 07:36.35 | simonrvn | now i gotta figure out what it's got on it |
| 07:36.51 | gordonjcp | Phated: heh, worse than Knoppix then? |
| 07:37.00 | pingouiin | someone know how making xmms working ? |
| 07:37.01 | Phated | gordonjcp: They seem to have stupider people. :) |
| 07:37.04 | joesmack | can i setup my laptop to turn my touchpad on and off on the fly? what would i need for that? |
| 07:37.42 | gordonjcp | Phated: I've noticed that lately questions about knoppix get "Oooh, just this once, but in future ask #knoppix"-type responses |
| 07:37.55 | gordonjcp | pingouiin: apt-get install xmms, click play |
| 07:38.11 | mac | rich_ dpgk -i -ing it complains about unmet deps, and it looks like trying to satisfy the deps will cause the earlier problem. |
| 07:38.11 | Phated | gordonjcp: Yeah, but ubuntu people are more fucktardish. :) |
| 07:38.32 | pingouiin | gordonjcp, : apt-get install xmms |
| 07:38.39 | pingouiin | gordonjcp, xmms is already the newest version. |
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| 07:38.56 | pingouiin | gordonjcp, : xmms |
| 07:38.58 | gordonjcp | Phated: hah. You know, whisper it in dark places, but I have to say that Linspire is (gasp) not that bad really |
| 07:39.05 | pingouiin | gordonjcp, Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
| 07:39.22 | Phated | gordonjcp: No, really? Well, I haven't seen a Linspire troll in here, so it must not be all that bad. |
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| 07:39.39 | simonrvn | linspire == lindows |
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| 07:39.43 | gordonjcp | Phated: if you just want something to replace Win98, it fits the bill nicely |
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| 07:39.50 | pingouiin | what else to use to listening online radio (ogg) if xmms doesnt work ? |
| 07:39.53 | gordonjcp | and you don't *have* to run everything as root |
| 07:40.20 | Phated | gordonjcp: Oh, nice. |
| 07:40.25 | gordonjcp | pingouiin: that's a new one on me |
| 07:40.33 | rich_ | mac welll theres a way to make it output a list of packages, in the same format that it takes back the list. Its just dagerous, and if your dependancy system is really broken, it wont help. Its only if its just a little broke that it ever helps without makeing things worse |
| 07:40.37 | gordonjcp | you could try mplayer, or xine |
| 07:40.49 | gordonjcp | Phated: my Mum seems to be managing OK |
| 07:41.00 | cartman | pingouiin: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=240605 |
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| 07:41.16 | hcy | is there a way I can get hebrew characters in my gnome terminal window? so far, any non-english characters show up as question-marks. |
| 07:41.17 | pingouiin | gordonjcp, nothing in comannd line ? the gui seem to be a realy shit like xmms |
| 07:41.31 | Phated | gordonjcp: Oh, cool. :) |
| 07:41.32 | simonrvn | hcy: set up utf8 |
| 07:41.41 | cartman | hcy: you should set the encoding |
| 07:41.45 | gordonjcp | pingouiin: mplayer is command-line |
| 07:41.50 | scarynetworkguy | gordonjcp: is your mum root all the time? |
| 07:41.52 | simonrvn | hcy: it'll do english and hebrew better |
| 07:41.52 | Phated | pingouiin: You want to play mp3s in command line? mpg321. |
| 07:41.53 | hcy | how's that done? |
| 07:42.02 | simonrvn | hcy: there's a howto |
| 07:42.21 | gordonjcp | scarynetworkguy: yeah, 'cos she kept putting all kinds of random crap into the username bit |
| 07:42.35 | hcy | simonrvn: on the debian site? |
| 07:42.42 | simonrvn | sec |
| 07:42.56 | Phated | Yeee-ouch. |
| 07:43.11 | simonrvn | dpkg utf-8 |
| 07:43.11 | dpkg | well, utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man pages. |
| 07:43.12 | gordonjcp | scarynetworkguy: why? I *guarantee* that machine cannot be cracked |
| 07:43.20 | Phated | gordonjcp: No internet? |
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| 07:43.25 | gordonjcp | pingouiin: from googling for that error message: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/26/2004/03/3/134622 |
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| 07:43.30 | pw | !root |
| 07:43.30 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 07:43.30 | gordonjcp | Phated: yup |
| 07:43.34 | scarynetworkguy | !punish gordonjcp |
| 07:43.38 | Phated | gordonjcp: Oh, in that case... |
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| 07:44.01 | gordonjcp | Phated: plus, it doesn't run any externally-accessable services |
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| 07:44.14 | Phated | gordonjcp: Well, yeah, you can't do that without the internet. :) |
| 07:44.39 | tosh | any faq on changing from debian stable to unstable? |
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| 07:44.56 | Phated | tosh: Edit sources.list. Apt-get update. Apt-get dist-upgrade. Done. |
| 07:45.00 | trapper- | how can i format a disk as fat32? |
| 07:45.02 | simonrvn | don't need a faq other than an editor and root access |
| 07:45.10 | Phated | simonrvn: That was one. :) |
| 07:45.16 | trapper- | detachable usb drive |
| 07:45.34 | scarynetworkguy | !sing vim |
| 07:45.35 | pw | trapper-: mkfs.vfat <filesystem> |
| 07:45.42 | scarynetworkguy | vim should have a song |
| 07:45.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Haha. :D |
| 07:45.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
| 07:46.13 | pw | scarynetworkguy: "ESC ESC ESC *beep* :q! emacs <filename>", to the tune of "Clementine". |
| 07:46.13 | trapper- | pw i tried that and got command not found |
| 07:46.25 | pw | trapper-: you need to be root |
| 07:46.42 | scarynetworkguy | pw: we were talking about text editors what does emacs have to do with it? |
| 07:46.44 | trapper- | i am :\ |
| 07:47.09 | pw | trapper-: have you got the dosfstools package installed? |
| 07:47.11 | trapper- | the .vfat version isnt there in whereis either :\ |
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| 07:47.24 | pw | scarynetworkguy: oh, what a shining wit :-) |
| 07:47.27 | trapper- | no idea, dont think so |
| 07:47.57 | scarynetworkguy | pw: did I make a joke? |
| 07:48.02 | trapper- | getting now |
| 07:48.06 | simonrvn | Phated: heh |
| 07:48.08 | pw | scarynetworkguy: ba-dum TISH! |
| 07:48.12 | Phated | simonrvn: :) |
| 07:48.32 | simonrvn | sorry took so long, control key was stuck :| |
| 07:48.40 | Phated | simonrvn: Heh. :) |
| 07:48.53 | gordonjcp | Phated: even when it *is* connected, it's not running anything very visible |
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| 07:49.15 | scarynetworkguy | famous last words |
| 07:49.15 | Phated | gordonjcp: Very nice. |
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| 07:49.25 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: screen -r. was typing 's', and scroll lock was coming on |
| 07:49.28 | scarynetworkguy | gordonjcp: is there a password on the root account? |
| 07:49.28 | Phated | gordonjcp: Not the best idea, but very nice. |
| 07:49.44 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: you ere not the source of the confusion. :D |
| 07:49.48 | gordonjcp | scarynetworkguy: erm, there is actually |
| 07:49.49 | simonrvn | good |
| 07:49.56 | simonrvn | (for once) |
| 07:50.04 | Phated | simonrvn: (and only once) |
| 07:50.11 | simonrvn | haha |
| 07:50.13 | scarynetworkguy | gordonjcp: I thought you never put root passwords on anything |
| 07:50.13 | tchino | how we can start over mc the mpg123, when i click on a mp3-file |
| 07:50.38 | gordonjcp | scarynetworkguy: I know this, because she phoned me at 11pm last night when I was driving through torrential rain and 70mph winds, and kept ringing back until I answered |
| 07:50.41 | Phated | Oh, dear god. mpg321 <filename/regexp>, how hard can it be. |
| 07:50.47 | gordonjcp | because she'd forgotten it |
| 07:50.59 | streuner_ | tchino: you have to configure the config file for 'mc', not that easy |
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| 07:51.56 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: for you, me, and say simonrvn not hard at all. For others you might as well give em a butcher knife and ask them to split an atom |
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| 07:52.12 | gaunt | Hi. Do I have to quit my WM in order to upgrade the kernel? |
| 07:52.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *sigh* |
| 07:52.20 | Phated | gaunt: No. |
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| 07:52.26 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes yes indeed |
| 07:52.28 | gaunt | phaethon, okay. |
| 07:52.30 | Phated | gaunt: You do need to reboot at some point, though. |
| 07:52.31 | gaunt | oops |
| 07:52.33 | simonrvn | gaunt: no. you do have to reboot however |
| 07:52.37 | gaunt | Phated, thanks |
| 07:52.40 | gaunt | and okay, simonp |
| 07:52.46 | gaunt | this is not going that well |
| 07:52.48 | simonrvn | s/p/rvn/ |
| 07:52.54 | gaunt | exactly |
| 07:53.18 | Phated | simonrvn: This is -such- a petty matter, but... Beatcha.:D |
| 07:53.46 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 07:53.53 | Phated | :D |
| 07:54.21 | tchino | streuner_: hello streuner, and how you can do that? Have you configure that |
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| 07:54.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
| 07:55.27 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 07:55.36 | Phated | Eh? |
| 07:55.46 | streuner | tchino: no - i usually use xmms itself or sometimes gentoo (gtk-based filemanager) |
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| 07:56.12 | simonrvn | the original gentoo, not the wannabe :P |
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| 07:56.21 | streuner | heh |
| 07:56.24 | helix | arrrrrrr |
| 07:56.28 | simonrvn | arrrr |
| 07:56.34 | The_Ball | in a regex, how do i match everyting except one string "foo" ? |
| 07:56.39 | streuner | ohhhhh |
| 07:56.48 | simonrvn | international pirate's day is over :| |
| 07:56.57 | helix | simonrvn: huh? |
| 07:57.02 | helix | it's the 19th |
| 07:57.02 | simonrvn | arrr, matey |
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| 07:57.13 | Phated | Arrrrr, it's still the 19th here. |
| 07:57.35 | simonrvn | helix: oh, is it? i must be confused then |
| 07:57.43 | helix | simonrvn: you are |
| 07:57.49 | simonrvn | as usual |
| 07:58.06 | scarynetworkguy | Aye! |
| 07:58.12 | simonrvn | aaarrr |
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| 07:59.09 | simonrvn | The_Ball: i only know about grep -v. probably some equivalent |
| 07:59.33 | peterS | y35, 1T 15 5t1Ll tL4p D4y |
| 07:59.39 | peterS | w00000t |
| 07:59.39 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:59.49 | simonrvn | peterS: hehe |
| 08:00.03 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: heh |
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| 08:00.41 | peterS | dont worry folks, I didnt actually write this tlap translator script just for today. it was a small modification of a different 1 I already had |
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| 08:00.53 | simonrvn | now to find out how to get past the PROM password on that ss10.. |
| 08:01.04 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: it was mcuh cooler when I thought you had written it for today |
| 08:01.04 | simonrvn | peterS: :) |
| 08:01.11 | patterson | why is ntfs support problematic ? |
| 08:01.22 | simonrvn | because. blame M$hit |
| 08:01.24 | peterS | 5c4ryn3tw0RkguY: 0 w3lL. 1m 2 h0n35t 50m3T1m35 |
| 08:01.29 | scarynetworkguy | patterson: because MS sucks |
| 08:01.37 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: *nice* |
| 08:01.54 | patterson | isnt there enough stuff exposed to make writes stable ? |
| 08:02.12 | peterS | f8D: uR5 15nt B4d 31th3r |
| 08:02.18 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: you *must* put this script someplace I can get it |
| 08:02.21 | Phated | Heh, true. |
| 08:02.22 | simonrvn | patterson: hehe |
| 08:02.33 | peterS | 5c4ryn3tw0RkguY: u u53 1r551 ? |
| 08:02.34 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Don't you dare. :D |
| 08:02.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: your's is even better |
| 08:02.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It's short as hell. :) |
| 08:02.47 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: yes yes I do |
| 08:02.51 | Phated | peterS: Me too. |
| 08:02.52 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah |
| 08:02.55 | pw | NTFS is actually a really nice filesystem, if somewhat slow. |
| 08:03.01 | simonrvn | might as well put it public |
| 08:03.19 | bougyman | The_Ball: you get an answer yet? |
| 08:03.27 | simonrvn | half-answer |
| 08:03.30 | The_Ball | bougyman, not really |
| 08:03.35 | kisielk | pw: pretty prone to fragmentation too |
| 08:03.35 | bougyman | what language? |
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| 08:03.40 | Gnea | !ntfs |
| 08:03.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/ntfs |
| 08:03.41 | The_Ball | bougyman, perl |
| 08:03.41 | kisielk | pw: and the access controls are flaky |
| 08:03.47 | bougyman | one sec |
| 08:03.48 | peterS | hmmmmm. I have a feeling I would be acting socially irresponsibly by putting such a tool in the hands of such people. but anyway. http://p12n.org/tmp/tlap.pl |
| 08:03.49 | The_Ball | bougyman, im looking at ^(\D*)(?!123) |
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| 08:04.01 | Phated | peterS: :D |
| 08:04.01 | scarynetworkguy | YAY!! |
| 08:04.06 | patterson | yuk |
| 08:04.07 | peterS | scarynetworkguy,Phated: it needs 'apt-get install filters' |
| 08:04.09 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: hey we ain't that bad |
| 08:04.14 | bougyman | that's very inneficient, the_ball. |
| 08:04.20 | The_Ball | ok |
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| 08:04.46 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: thankies |
| 08:04.48 | peterS | scarynetworkguy,Phated: usage: drop it in ~/.irssi/tlap.pl - then run "/run tlap" - then type "/t sentence to type" or "/tme does some action" |
| 08:04.50 | Phated | peterS: Yessir. |
| 08:04.53 | simonrvn | peterS: yay |
| 08:04.57 | Phated | Oo. |
| 08:05.04 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: you rule |
| 08:05.08 | peterS | /t sentence to type |
| 08:05.10 | peterS | 53Nt3nC3 t0 tyP3 |
| 08:05.16 | peterS | etc. |
| 08:05.17 | Phated | Oooooo. |
| 08:05.35 | peterS | 't' is short for 'tlap' - it probably should be "/pirate" or something but I needed it to be short |
| 08:05.47 | peterS | you can change it on the last two lines of the script |
| 08:06.02 | Phated | Okies. :) |
| 08:06.37 | simonrvn | conflicts with my /t (/topic) thing. *edits* |
| 08:06.44 | Phated | Yes indeedy. |
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| 08:06.51 | peterS | /tme almost regrets this already --> |
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| 08:07.35 | bougyman | The_Ball: |
| 08:07.41 | bougyman | echo "this is a lot of foo and some unfoo fooness of foo stuff"|perl -ne '@array= split(/\bfoo\b/);print @array' |
| 08:07.44 | peterS | simonrvn: heh |
| 08:07.54 | bougyman | this is a lot of and some unfoo fooness of stuff |
| 08:08.03 | Phated | w00t. |
| 08:08.05 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 08:08.23 | peterS | note that the leetspeek is not very sophisticated |
| 08:08.32 | Phated | peterS: Shoudln't that be p3t3R5? :D |
| 08:08.36 | peterS | sometimes I help out by substituting "to" -> "2" and so forth by hand |
| 08:08.53 | peterS | Phated: you have no control over the nick in a /me action |
| 08:09.01 | Phated | peterS: Oh, right. My bad. :) |
| 08:09.09 | simonrvn | witness ^^^ |
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| 08:09.21 | The_Ball | bougyman, not really what im after |
| 08:09.30 | bougyman | what? |
| 08:09.31 | The_Ball | bougyman, i think |
| 08:09.35 | bougyman | you said you wanted all but foo. |
| 08:09.38 | bougyman | that's what that is. |
| 08:09.50 | bougyman | it flattens the @array when you use it in a string context. |
| 08:10.01 | simonrvn | flatten? |
| 08:10.35 | peterS | simonrvn: meaning, the array just becomes a string with the individual elements stuck together |
| 08:10.43 | The_Ball | bougyman, /\bfoo\b/ matches foo right? |
| 08:10.44 | simonrvn | *n0d5* |
| 08:10.49 | peterS | ha |
| 08:10.53 | Phated | gl33p. |
| 08:10.54 | bougyman | the_ball: look at the operation. |
| 08:11.19 | bougyman | you split on /\bfoo\b/, which naturally removes /\bfoo\b/ from the returned array. |
| 08:11.37 | The_Ball | bougyman, i can't split, its for a regex in apache |
| 08:11.50 | bougyman | you said prel before tho. |
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| 08:11.55 | simonrvn | load up some <Perl> then ;P |
| 08:11.57 | bougyman | er perl. |
| 08:12.00 | The_Ball | bougyman, apache uses perl expressions |
| 08:12.07 | bougyman | pcre != perl. |
| 08:12.11 | bougyman | but anyway. |
| 08:12.20 | bougyman | mod_rewrite stuff? |
| 08:12.20 | peterS | bougyman: it's a "oh but knoppix *is* debian" kind of thing |
| 08:12.26 | The_Ball | mod_alias |
| 08:12.34 | simonrvn | not perl |
| 08:12.54 | The_Ball | simonp, not? |
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| 08:13.17 | simonrvn | meh. |
| 08:13.25 | simonrvn | s/p/rvn/ |
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| 08:13.54 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 08:15.12 | The_Ball | what im trying to do is have apache redirect all requests to a temp page with "RedirectMatch temp .* http://localhost/temp.php" but the request for temp.php will receive a redir as well |
| 08:15.13 | simonrvn | PCRE = perl *compatible* regex |
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| 08:15.25 | simonrvn | not perl |
| 08:15.26 | The_Ball | i see |
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| 08:16.51 | daaku | anyone using e17? i'm compiling them into deb's using cvs, and i'm stuck on esmart.. it complains about ltdl.h: no such file.. a quick dpkg -S shows its in libtool.. anyone know how to fix it? |
| 08:17.12 | helix | cafuego: ping |
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| 08:18.09 | Dewi | backup question: if I tar up an ext3 partition with open log files on it, is it likely to skip those files, get a nice atomic snapshot, or produce nasty results? |
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| 08:19.14 | peterS | Dewi: the writes to the files should be atomic, so you shouldn't get partially written log entries |
| 08:19.14 | Dewi | or break the tar operation? |
| 08:19.14 | gordonjcp | Dewi: unpredictable |
| 08:19.14 | peterS | Dewi: but this actually depends on a mount option |
| 08:19.17 | simonrvn | dpkg -S /usr/include/ltdl.h |
| 08:19.18 | dpkg | Package: /usr/include/ltdl.h: Status: install ok installed |
| 08:19.22 | simonrvn | libltdl3-dev: /usr/include/ltdl.h |
| 08:19.25 | peterS | Dewi: actually I was confused. tar will succeed, it will only show completed writes in the log files |
| 08:19.39 | simonrvn | daaku: ^^^ |
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| 08:19.52 | peterS | Dewi: obviously it won't snapshot *all* your log files at the same atomic instant. but each log file will get an atomic read at the end |
| 08:19.55 | simonrvn | WTF would ltdl.h be in libtool? |
| 08:19.57 | Dewi | peterS : will it ever fail to open a file just because a process is using it? |
| 08:20.08 | Dewi | peterS : oh yeah, that's fine |
| 08:20.09 | peterS | Dewi: no. Unix does not aggressively lock files the way Windows does |
| 08:20.32 | daaku | simonrvn: i changed some include's in the Makefile, worked i think! |
| 08:20.33 | peterS | Dewi: in some Unixes it's *possible* to lock a file exclusively such that other processes can't open it, but this is very rarely actually done |
| 08:20.38 | Dewi | peterS : cool. on my windows machine at work my whole damn backup fails anytime I'm running a web server that's writing logs, so I have to stop the service every time I do a backup. |
| 08:20.50 | simonrvn | which is why you can tail a file |
| 08:20.52 | Dewi | peterS : aah. that makes me feel better. |
| 08:20.53 | peterS | Dewi: yeah. Windows file locking philosophy is "lock everything ruthlessly" |
| 08:21.13 | Dewi | simonrvn : well, I can tail this particular log on windows, but I can't back it up with winrar. no idea why. |
| 08:21.20 | peterS | Dewi: Unix file locking philosophy is "use advisory file locks in circumstances where you think they might be useful, but don't actually enforce these for apps that don't care about them" |
| 08:21.38 | simonrvn | good thinking, IMO |
| 08:21.47 | Phated | In short, "Windows Sucks." |
| 08:21.52 | Dewi | :D |
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| 08:22.05 | simonrvn | ...but we all knew that already, didn't we? ;) |
| 08:22.17 | peterS | Phated: well, there are advantages and disadvantages to the Windows file locking philosophy. Dewi is quite familiar with one major disadvantage |
| 08:22.23 | Dewi | peterS : so... does it sound sane to cron tar | ssh and do regular backups that way? |
| 08:22.28 | Phated | peterS: Ahh. |
| 08:22.34 | peterS | Dewi: that's certainly one way |
| 08:22.36 | rich_ | Dewi Maybe they want to ask you about it. You should call them. |
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| 08:22.44 | peterS | Dewi: I personally would probably use rsync-over-ssh from cron |
| 08:22.49 | rich_ | You might need permission |
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| 08:23.08 | Dewi | peterS : hmm. only problem is my destination is - you guessed it - windows. I have only one unix machine at home here. |
| 08:23.16 | rich_ | Or, maybe the file is just too big |
| 08:23.19 | Dewi | peterS : but still that *might* be workable |
| 08:23.29 | Dewi | peterS : rsync's windows support was never great, that's all |
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| 08:24.06 | metrix | what package do I need to dpkg-reconfigure if I botched the video card question when install debian testing? |
| 08:24.22 | trapper- | himmm |
| 08:24.28 | cartman | metrix: xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:24.29 | trapper- | fouind my problem. |
| 08:24.41 | metrix | thanks cartman! |
| 08:24.51 | trapper- | after i unmount my usb drive once i cant remount it untill after i ahve rebooted... any ideas? |
| 08:24.52 | cartman | np |
| 08:25.19 | trapper- | 'viewusb' still shows the device, i just cant mount it |
| 08:25.26 | trapper- | or fdisk it btw |
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| 08:26.16 | scarynetworkguy | !any ideas |
| 08:26.16 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 08:26.39 | Phated | 0_0 |
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| 08:27.08 | trapper- | !any ideas with regard to my usb unmounting problem? |
| 08:27.10 | MerlinCorey | quick, Phated, to the RIAA! |
| 08:27.10 | trapper- | :D |
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| 08:27.54 | Phated | YES! |
| 08:28.01 | cartman | trapper-: what kernel btw? |
| 08:28.38 | MerlinCorey | (actually, KDE is one of the reasons I hate knoppix :/ |
| 08:28.38 | MerlinCorey | ) |
| 08:28.45 | trapper- | 2.4.26-1-386 |
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| 08:28.53 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: no it's the one machine in the world where KDE is *not* bloatware |
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| 08:29.06 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: ah, ok, carry on, then... |
| 08:29.23 | cartman | trapper-: no idea but check logs device might be changing /dev/sdX entry |
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| 08:29.43 | cartman | s/logs/logs, |
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| 08:30.21 | ren_ | i never really have been a fan of using the kernel that comes with a debian installation; but, i'm doing it now since i'm using someone else's computer and want to quickly install the nvidia drivers.. should i use the nvidia drivers in the apt repository or just recompile the kernel? |
| 08:30.21 | MerlinCorey | rofl |
| 08:30.22 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 08:30.47 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Go read Dan Brown's Digital Fortress, you'll get it. |
| 08:30.54 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah that should keep em off our backs for a while |
| 08:31.14 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: and it is a rocking good story |
| 08:31.16 | cartman | ren_: /msg dpkg nvidia howto |
| 08:31.24 | ren_ | cartman: thanks :D |
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| 08:32.00 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: fuck... |
| 08:32.09 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: no |
| 08:32.10 | MerlinCorey | :/ |
| 08:32.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 08:32.28 | rich_ | ren_ Me either, but the 2.6 kernel in sarge rocks. My benchmark is I can watch movies without haveing them skip while doing other things in the background, like file transfers. On my hardware, thats stretching things. |
| 08:32.29 | debian-newbe | hey all :D |
| 08:32.33 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: they have these places that will let you borrow them fro free |
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| 08:32.42 | Phated | THE TAPE SAFE! |
| 08:32.48 | Phated | Er... |
| 08:32.52 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: YES!! |
| 08:33.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: almost always a good answer |
| 08:33.13 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: dude... I live in Michigan... and I don't have a car... And the library is in the ghetto... |
| 08:33.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heck yes. |
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| 08:33.39 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: if I'm not shot to or from, I'll surely die from the cold :/ |
| 08:34.03 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: Awwwwww |
| 08:34.32 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: YEAH |
| 08:34.47 | MerlinCorey | well, there IS a college right down the street... but you have to pay thousands of dollars to use their library, so that's hardly free :/ |
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| 08:35.03 | rich_ | MerlinCorey have you tried it? |
| 08:35.09 | patterson | ask. it wont cost anything |
| 08:35.22 | patterson | librarians are easy :) |
| 08:35.26 | Phated | True. |
| 08:35.28 | cahoot | audacity in sarge not alsa aware? or is just me missing some option? |
| 08:35.30 | MerlinCorey | rich_: tried walking through the ghetto when not on a "mission"..? |
| 08:35.37 | rich_ | Well, sometimes they do, sometimes they dont, it never hurts to try |
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| 08:36.02 | patterson | and librarians are there for a reason |
| 08:36.37 | patterson | self selecting for the meme of information should be free. cute too |
| 08:36.47 | vogella | Hello. Is there a graphical tool to set / change the mount point for the debian file system? I would like to change /home from /dev/hda6 to /dev/hda7. I would assume that I only have to change the /etc/fstab entry but I'm not sure. |
| 08:36.54 | scarynetworkguy | librarians RULE |
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| 08:37.11 | rich_ | MerlinCorey I grew up around east palo alto. Its a somewhat famous ghetto |
| 08:37.17 | debian-newbe | please somone help me |
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| 08:37.40 | patterson | east palo alto and west palo alto are bizzare |
| 08:37.51 | MerlinCorey | debian-newbe: check out newbiedoc on sourceforge |
| 08:37.53 | rich_ | twin peaks |
| 08:38.06 | MerlinCorey | rich_: "around it" and "in it" are two different thinks :/ |
| 08:38.06 | patterson | washington dc is likie that to. but way closer |
| 08:38.06 | scarynetworkguy | problem solved |
| 08:38.17 | MerlinCorey | *things |
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| 08:40.18 | rich_ | MerlinCorey I guess you live where you stand. I was sitting at a bar, and this kid came up to me one time , begging for money, and the bartender pulled out a big scary looking revolver, and pointed it at the kid and told him to go back to his video game. Thats about the worst time Ive had there |
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| 08:40.43 | Phated | Gleep. |
| 08:40.50 | scarynetworkguy | cool |
| 08:40.57 | MerlinCorey | rich_: worse than the old tweaker bitches getting all up on you at the bar..? |
| 08:40.58 | rich_ | Someone threw an egg at me once, but I think the crazy bartender was worse |
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| 08:41.53 | MerlinCorey | you've lived a sheltered life compared to me :/ |
| 08:41.56 | MerlinCorey | lucky bastard... |
| 08:41.56 | MerlinCorey | :/ |
| 08:41.57 | rich_ | Makes me miss the bbq. Goldies. But dont try it unless you like it hot |
| 08:42.18 | Phated | You guys' environments are scaring me now. :| |
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| 08:43.46 | tchino | do somebody knows a good side about the midnight commander to configurate the .mc-file |
| 08:44.08 | MerlinCorey | Phated: yeah, where I am now is exactly two blocks from the ghetto... my street *seems* all nice and such, 'cause it's perpindicular to the college... but you go two streets up, and it's straight ghetto, people selling drugs on the corner and all... |
| 08:44.18 | Phated | MerlinCorey: That is kind of scary. |
| 08:44.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Meh. |
| 08:44.33 | mortal | does anyone here know when 2.6.8.1 + cdrecord will work again? |
| 08:44.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 08:44.35 | rich_ | scarynetworkguy You think salem isnt boreing? |
| 08:44.41 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 08:44.46 | scarynetworkguy | rich_: I'm not in Salem |
| 08:45.14 | Phated | Isn't Salem in MA? |
| 08:45.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: the one you are thinking of is. But almost every state has a Salem |
| 08:45.45 | debian-newbe | please somone help me |
| 08:46.01 | rich_ | scarynetworkguy Thats what I mean. All of oregon is boreing. Whoever named boreing oregon, should have been given that name to the state, instead of a town. |
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| 08:46.15 | cahoot | debian-newbe: wrong channel this is #neighbouhoods |
| 08:46.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *sigh* |
| 08:46.21 | scarynetworkguy | debian-newbe: are you goint to ask a qustion or are we supposed to guess WTF you are going on about |
| 08:46.43 | MerlinCorey | Phated: it can be... Hell... I've been through a lot, seen a lot, but it's even scarier in this being a *new* ghetto to me, and across the US... I'm used to things in California ghettos... So my first week here, I was genuinely afraid walking home from this liquor store down the street because of this group of 20 kids on bicycles at 12 at night... Didn't know *what* could be up... Now I know they're not anything to worry |
| 08:46.43 | MerlinCorey | about, but initially, it could have been anything, as I've been in places where twelve year old's are carrying 'nines and sellin' drugs... |
| 08:46.49 | rich_ | salem oregon is the religious one. Settled by methodists around the end of the 1800's |
| 08:46.53 | daaku | anyone see a parse error in this?: void ewl_tree_mode_set( Ewl_Tree *tree, Ewl_Tree_Mode mode ) |
| 08:46.54 | debian-newbe | scarynetworkguy :) ive asked like 10 times but no one answers. |
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| 08:47.16 | scarynetworkguy | debian-newbe: a /lastlog shows no qustions. You STFU now k? |
| 08:47.30 | tchino | mc settings, i want to open a .mp3-file, somebody know how |
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| 08:48.04 | Phated | MerlinCorey: :| |
| 08:48.17 | MerlinCorey | daaku: #c or #c++ possibly..? and look *around* it... |
| 08:48.21 | debian-newbe | scarynetworkguy: sambe times out after 2 minutes. what can i do? |
| 08:48.29 | debian-newbe | scarynetworkguy samba |
| 08:48.36 | ight8 | Question. winblows has Active desktop that basically makes the desktop a web page capable of all the animation and such of a standard web page, does linux have anything like that? |
| 08:48.48 | MerlinCorey | daaku: and maybe use a compiler that gives a better error message than, "parse error"... |
| 08:49.04 | rich_ | ight8 You want a web browser on your root window? |
| 08:49.27 | daaku | MerlinCorey: i'm trying to get e17, and ewl dies! the specific error is: parse error before "Ewl_Tree_Mode".. and whole lot more after it |
| 08:49.28 | scarynetworkguy | debian-newbe: #samba |
| 08:49.35 | puffy | morning |
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| 08:49.42 | Phated | It's afternoon. |
| 08:49.49 | ight8 | no just want to make my desktop animated with buttons and small screens for bash |
| 08:49.59 | daaku | its 5am |
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| 08:50.14 | Phated | It's 1650 hrs. |
| 08:50.23 | MerlinCorey | !info ewl |
| 08:50.28 | scarynetworkguy | time zone war |
| 08:50.31 | ight8 | like integrating my background pic with hot keys and animations |
| 08:50.37 | Phated | :D |
| 08:50.40 | puffy | :) |
| 08:50.41 | scarynetworkguy | :D |
| 08:50.53 | cahoot | debian-newbe: you might prepare for a more distinct question by reading the logs /var/log/samba |
| 08:51.06 | MerlinCorey | what the hell is ewl..? |
| 08:51.08 | daaku | MerlinCorey: i tried querying dpkg, didnt get anything back |
| 08:51.28 | MerlinCorey | daaku: perhaps you ask in their support... |
| 08:51.29 | daaku | MerlinCorey: dependency for e17 (one of about a hundred) |
| 08:51.47 | rich_ | ight8 Well theres a million different window managers, and graphical utilities with buttons and stuff. But how excactly it relates to the web is another question. That makes me think maybe it runs http programs or java script programs... Like rendering web pages on peoples root window.... that sounds interesting in a cutesy kind of way |
| 08:52.00 | Phated | rich_: That would be an MS idea. |
| 08:52.22 | daaku | MerlinCorey: yeah, i'll do that when i'm awake.. thanks |
| 08:52.33 | MerlinCorey | ight8: maybe XPde has something like it... |
| 08:52.37 | scarynetworkguy | into the tape safe with whoever dreamt that up |
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| 08:52.43 | ight8 | I mean it would be cool if the waves on my current desktop image flowed |
| 08:53.04 | gordonjcp | ight8: set your desktop image to be an animated gif? |
| 08:53.05 | tchino | streuner_: hello |
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| 08:53.11 | ight8 | possible |
| 08:53.17 | MerlinCorey | hmmm... |
| 08:53.20 | scarynetworkguy | ight8: I think E can do that. it's fucking evil but I think it can do it |
| 08:53.31 | MerlinCorey | can you do something like WinAmp's visualisations to desktop in windoze..? |
| 08:53.46 | MerlinCorey | (xp+, iirc) |
| 08:53.49 | ight8 | where can I find E |
| 08:54.07 | scarynetworkguy | ight8: apt-get install enlightenment |
| 08:54.10 | MerlinCorey | ight8: any decent club or disco... |
| 08:54.19 | MerlinCorey | oh ^^; |
| 08:54.33 | scarynetworkguy | ight8: and no I'm not going to teach you how to do it cause I don't know |
| 08:54.50 | ight8 | i know better than to ask and get flamed |
| 08:54.56 | ight8 | lol |
| 08:55.06 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:55.06 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: no the kind of e you are thinking of is less evil |
| 08:55.12 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 08:55.12 | dpkg | methinks lol is stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 08:55.27 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: but still party evil... |
| 08:55.35 | scarynetworkguy | l0L |
| 08:55.41 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: yes yes it is |
| 08:55.48 | rich_ | Id look for a web page renderer that has an option to let you select the window id of the window it reders to. |
| 08:56.18 | Phated | YES! |
| 08:56.23 | scarynetworkguy | YEAH!! |
| 08:56.38 | gordonjcp | rich_: ... |
| 08:57.13 | gordonjcp | MerlinCorey: you can do <screensaver> -root and draw it to the root window |
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| 08:57.49 | ight8 | imagine a city scape with small moving cars on the street and the lights on the building change periodically and some of the buildings act as buttons for kongurer and such |
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| 08:58.20 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:58.31 | quitte | i installed read-edid, and am getting proper information about my monitor when i use get-edid and parse-edid, but still dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn'T seem to use these values. |
| 08:58.35 | quitte | any ideas? |
| 08:58.37 | MerlinCorey | ight8: sounds like you're volunteering to make a soon to be dead window manager... |
| 08:58.42 | scarynetworkguy | ight8: the key here is to put down the crack pipe before trying to use a computer |
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| 08:59.13 | Phated | ight8: That would be your imagination. It's not happening. |
| 08:59.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: my tape safe is full can we put ight8 in yours |
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| 08:59.18 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: maybe he's one of those ununwhatever guys with their, "today's software isn't designed to be really *useful*" |
| 08:59.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh sure, mine's really cramped though, you mind? |
| 08:59.42 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: because a text field on a website *should* be a full featured word processor... |
| 08:59.45 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: *sigh* |
| 09:00.10 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Ridiculous, isn't it? Personally, if elinks has trouble rendering a page, it's too complicated. :) |
| 09:00.15 | ight8 | no even I'm not that extreme or stupid |
| 09:00.18 | quitte | is it normal that the xconfig asks to set the monitor type even if read-edid is installed and working? |
| 09:00.35 | petemc | quitte: it asks, but should suggest values |
| 09:00.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I don't mind at all. Might have to break a few bones getting him in but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make |
| 09:00.53 | MerlinCorey | Phated: *nod* minus CSS..? |
| 09:00.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, in that case, it'll all yours. |
| 09:01.04 | quitte | petemc so i maybe should remove the xconfig first, and then try the simple monitor selection? |
| 09:01.05 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Very well, since that seems to render fine. |
| 09:01.29 | MerlinCorey | Phated: *nod* |
| 09:01.32 | petemc | quitte: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 09:01.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: thankies |
| 09:01.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No worries :D |
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| 09:02.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 09:02.19 | Phated | :D |
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| 09:02.44 | Phated | Lovely. |
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| 09:03.15 | quitte | petemc i already knew that. can i delete the default values somehow so that dpkg-reconfigure acts if it was run the first time? |
| 09:03.20 | ight8 | thank you, I didnt need those bones anyways |
| 09:03.43 | petemc | quitte: that factoid explains how to do that... |
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| 09:04.04 | quitte | petemc no it doesn't |
| 09:04.43 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: so are there lot's of these people? |
| 09:05.24 | petemc | quitte: so what does dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 do? |
| 09:05.35 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: ummm... it's some "new" operating system that is perl-based or something... |
| 09:05.47 | ight8 | ok, I got lots of reading to do,before I begin anything. so thanks for the info and the great conversation. |
| 09:05.51 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: god have mercy on all our souls |
| 09:06.49 | puffy | is there any idea, how should i hide the join/part msgs with irssi ? |
| 09:07.03 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: http://www.unununium.org/ |
| 09:07.16 | petemc | puffy: /ignore modes #debian , i think |
| 09:07.35 | puffy | ill try |
| 09:07.37 | MerlinCorey | they have their own time format... |
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| 09:07.46 | thomas_adam | Or just /ignore #debian ALL |
| 09:07.49 | quitte | petemc oh! ok. |
| 09:08.16 | Phated | puffy: /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
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| 09:08.54 | puffy | thx |
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| 09:09.40 | MadTi | anyone knows where i can set my Aterm configuration? in gentoo i used .Xdefaults to declare my settings, but debian doesn't use this file :/ |
| 09:09.59 | MerlinCorey | MadTi: are you *sure*..? |
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| 09:10.17 | MadTi | hm, seems so |
| 09:10.24 | MerlinCorey | MadTi: have you checked in /usr/share/doc/ ..? |
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| 09:11.01 | rich_ | MadTi /etc/X11/app-defaults/* has some options that are hard to find, but they can be tricky to configure yourself so save a backup |
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| 09:12.25 | thomas_adam | puffy: I suggest you use the 'crapbuster.pl' script from irssi.org to do all of this. |
| 09:12.46 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: check that site out, perchance..? ^^; |
| 09:13.00 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: not yet I've been playing with a new toy |
| 09:13.07 | puffy | thomas_adam: i would do, but irssi.org gave me a cant look up host failure |
| 09:13.11 | quitte | bah! the yconfiguration now has completely different values than get-edid|parse-edid show for hsync and vsync |
| 09:13.13 | puffy | about 5 mins ago |
| 09:13.19 | thomas_adam | puffy: /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS BANS, etc is just not flexible enough. |
| 09:13.23 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: going there now |
| 09:13.24 | GreenAsJade | My debian machine is 192.168.1.103 on my local network. I want to enable other machines to use the X display. (IE on the other machine go DISPLAY=192.168.1.103:0.0) However, I can't find a way to allow connections. I tried xhost + .... I'm thinking that this is not working because DISPLAY is :0.0 not 192.168.1.103:0.0 ... any clues? |
| 09:13.24 | quitte | s/yconf/xconf |
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| 09:13.35 | thomas_adam | PING irssi.org (208.185.179.21) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 09:13.35 | thomas_adam | 64 bytes from southsko.com (208.185.179.21): icmp_seq=1 ttl=48 time=166 ms |
| 09:13.41 | puffy | thomas_adam: sry, connection reset by peer :) |
| 09:14.07 | thomas_adam | puffy: It's working fine, so hop to. |
| 09:14.08 | MadTi | but can i make use of the .Xdefaults anyway? |
| 09:14.28 | puffy | thomas_adam: than someting sux on my box :(( |
| 09:14.43 | thomas_adam | MadTi: It does use this file. Create it, and add "xauth merge ~/.Xdefaults" to ~/.xsession |
| 09:14.44 | GreenAsJade | (I tried setting DISPLAY to 192.168.1.103:0.0 on that machine (103) then xhost + , but it says it can't open the display) |
| 09:14.54 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: why am I not surprised that they quote Reiser? |
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| 09:15.35 | puffy | thomas_adam: ehhhe, irssi.org sux without www. :)) |
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| 09:15.47 | thomas_adam | puffy: No it doesn't. |
| 09:16.02 | GreenAsJade | sigh |
| 09:16.04 | puffy | gor me it does :) |
| 09:16.08 | puffy | f |
| 09:16.18 | Phated | puffy: That means -you- suck. |
| 09:16.28 | puffy | maybe :) |
| 09:16.33 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: that is just *wrong* |
| 09:16.33 | Phated | :) |
| 09:16.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hm? |
| 09:17.00 | thomas_adam | puffy: http://edulinux.homeunix.org/~n6tadam/irssi.png |
| 09:17.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: http://www.unununium.org/ |
| 09:17.22 | Phated | What the fuck kind of a name is THAT? |
| 09:17.26 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: isn't it, though..? |
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| 09:17.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: and it just goes downhill from there |
| 09:17.42 | thomas_adam | puffy: Now apologise. |
| 09:17.43 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: yes yes it is |
| 09:17.52 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: This Island Earth? |
| 09:17.58 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: See That Glow. |
| 09:18.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, my. |
| 09:18.05 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: yes yes |
| 09:18.08 | puffy | thomas_adam: i belive you, but it doesnt work for me, and that's all |
| 09:18.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah |
| 09:18.09 | puffy | :) |
| 09:18.19 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite puffy |
| 09:18.23 | thomas_adam | puffy: Then you really are a moron. |
| 09:18.28 | scarynetworkguy | first public use |
| 09:18.30 | thomas_adam | puffy: Is it Sunday where you are? |
| 09:18.36 | puffy | yes |
| 09:18.38 | Phated | maximizing interconnection between components <- Meaning if one thing breaks your system's borked. I like it. :| |
| 09:18.47 | thomas_adam | How nice you could join us on this holy day. |
| 09:19.00 | Phated | s/holy/unholy and everlasting/ |
| 09:19.10 | scarynetworkguy | can't. breathe. must. stop. laughing. |
| 09:19.25 | puffy | thomas_adam: you are so nice ... :D |
| 09:19.30 | puffy | thank you :) |
| 09:19.42 | thomas_adam | My pleasur. |
| 09:19.45 | Phated | Yay. |
| 09:19.48 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: that happened to me, too :) |
| 09:20.21 | GreenAsJade | anyone? |
| 09:20.24 | Phated | What was so funny anyways? |
| 09:20.27 | potemkin | modconf question: I have an ancient network card, which works if I manually `insmod ne io=0x300'. If I let modconf do it, with the same options, it'll fail. What does modconf do beside the insmod |
| 09:20.30 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: yeah |
| 09:20.37 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: Anyone is not here right now. Do come back later. |
| 09:20.43 | GreenAsJade | ho ho |
| 09:20.54 | GreenAsJade | PMLOTF |
| 09:21.35 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: The Blob? |
| 09:21.40 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Great film. |
| 09:21.50 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: *nods* |
| 09:21.53 | thomas_adam | Steve MacQueen. |
| 09:21.57 | scarynetworkguy | yes yes |
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| 09:22.19 | anyone | Hello. :) |
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| 09:22.46 | Phated | anyone: You're going to be the main target of every moron in here. Here's your raygun, good luck. |
| 09:22.46 | anyone | I'm baaaack, and by popular demand, too. |
| 09:23.22 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: The Fly? |
| 09:23.32 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Another classic. |
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| 09:23.46 | MerlinCorey | Real Genius? |
| 09:23.56 | thomas_adam | Personified? Yep, me. |
| 09:23.57 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: yes |
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| 09:24.08 | MerlinCorey | "Have you been touching yourself again?" |
| 09:24.19 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: can I borrow the laser? |
| 09:24.32 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: gonna shoot the unungoonies..? |
| 09:24.37 | deadcat | Phated: heheh. man. godamn ibook so hard to buy/bid. going for a dell l400. 3.5 LB (= common baby. daddy needs a lappy. hahaha |
| 09:24.46 | Phated | YAY! |
| 09:25.28 | deadcat | Phated: ibook 500mhz = $400, dell 700mhz = $400 |
| 09:25.46 | deadcat | if i beg this guy i might get the price drop a bit hehe |
| 09:25.53 | fooz | heh |
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| 09:26.04 | deadcat | fooz: but i aint blowing him though (= |
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| 09:26.26 | Phated | deadcat: *Oooooooo* |
| 09:26.36 | deadcat | AHHAHAHA |
| 09:26.52 | helloyo | debian has left windoze off my bootloader, how do i add it? i'm trying with the tool but its not working |
| 09:26.59 | thomas_adam | helloyo: GRUB? |
| 09:27.03 | helloyo | yes |
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| 09:27.20 | thomas_adam | helloyo: see /boot/grub/menu.lst <-- examples therein. In short: chainload it. |
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| 09:27.28 | helloyo | ok, thanks |
| 09:27.40 | deadcat | maybe he will lower the price if i tell him i dont need windows/nero/wireless/cdrom/floppy heeh. |
| 09:27.49 | thomas_adam | helloyo: And whatever "the tool" is, it clearly is no match for your sharp wits. |
| 09:27.50 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: The Thing? |
| 09:27.56 | helloyo | lol |
| 09:28.17 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Yup. I liked the plot, nice and simple. Cold, though. :) |
| 09:28.21 | MerlinCorey | omh |
| 09:28.24 | MerlinCorey | unununium.oftc.net |
| 09:28.28 | MerlinCorey | (irc) |
| 09:29.02 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: yes very cold. Did you know that John Campbell gets writing credits on it? |
| 09:29.12 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Which part? |
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| 09:29.17 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Stop it, please. :| |
| 09:29.20 | Ra1stlin | hi all |
| 09:30.12 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: it would seem that he came up with the basic story |
| 09:30.34 | thomas_adam | Ah. |
| 09:30.47 | scarynetworkguy | yeah |
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| 09:33.14 | phaethon | MerlinCorey, what? |
| 09:34.16 | Phated | MerlinCorey: No way. :| |
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| 09:34.22 | caphuso | MerlinCorey: we're haunting you |
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| 09:35.35 | peterS | phaethon: careful with that thing |
| 09:35.39 | pw | phaethon was a rather good game on the old Acorn RISCOS computers. |
| 09:36.09 | phaethon | pw, I don't think I was alive back then. |
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| 09:36.19 | kokoko1 | hi all |
| 09:36.21 | phaethon | (IOW, I don't think I know what you think I know) |
| 09:36.23 | petemc | what was that game on the archimedes, you flew a little ship about... |
| 09:36.41 | kokoko1 | how to connect Internet automatically ? |
| 09:36.42 | potemkin | zarch! |
| 09:36.45 | potemkin | muhahahaaah |
| 09:36.47 | petemc | yes! |
| 09:36.54 | kokoko1 | currently we are using Kppp |
| 09:37.05 | pw | Zarch. |
| 09:37.07 | pw | I mastered that. |
| 09:37.12 | petemc | it was great |
| 09:37.24 | MerlinCorey | you guys should relay #debians... |
| 09:37.36 | potemkin | those were the days huh? |
| 09:37.38 | potemkin | :) |
| 09:37.38 | pw | I did consider trying to get Linux going on the A5000, but with 4MB RAM and a 40MB disk, it's not really feasible. |
| 09:37.40 | petemc | MerlinCorey: its been talked about before, no need for it |
| 09:37.41 | MerlinCorey | seems it would be more use than relayed #klients (and we're on 12 networks or something)... |
| 09:38.47 | potemkin | pw, I have an old A4000 lying around, still have to investigate if I can get *some* form of LInux up and running on that |
| 09:38.52 | potemkin | my hopes are not good |
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| 09:39.50 | rich_ | MerlinCorey but why this channel? Why not some channel that needs more traffic? |
| 09:39.53 | pw | potemkin: One of the blockers is that IIRC you need 8MB RAM to get started. |
| 09:40.17 | MerlinCorey | rich_: more for the other less populated #debian's benefit... |
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| 09:41.43 | Gnea | grrrr |
| 09:41.46 | Gnea | !experimental |
| 09:41.46 | dpkg | somebody said experimental was If you want to use some certain packages in experimental, you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Pin-Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
| 09:41.58 | Gnea | it maybe hard to get there but that doesn't explain it very well |
| 09:42.09 | pw | While we're talking about the arches less well travelled, is there anything I can do to make my lime green iMac read CD-Rs so that I can install Debian on it? |
| 09:42.10 | Gnea | what's the proper deb http://.... line? |
| 09:42.11 | peterS | MerlinCorey: irc.debian.org points to this network. if someone wants to get debian help but doesn't visit irc.debian.org, what should we do? |
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| 09:42.36 | pw | Gnea: it tells you right there :) |
| 09:42.43 | Gnea | uh |
| 09:42.46 | Gnea | it says |
| 09:42.47 | pw | just plug in the appropriate debian.mirror |
| 09:42.55 | Gnea | deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ .. /project/experimental main |
| 09:42.58 | pw | yeah |
| 09:43.01 | pw | that's exactly right |
| 09:43.09 | Gnea | so the / .. / is right?1 |
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| 09:43.12 | pw | so put in the mirror site you want, and enjoy |
| 09:43.16 | Gnea | obviously |
| 09:43.27 | pw | you've introduced a space after the .. |
| 09:43.44 | Gnea | my irc client does it, thanks |
| 09:44.00 | Phated | Gnea: ../project <- that. |
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| 09:44.22 | Gnea | hrm |
| 09:44.27 | Gnea | i don't have an /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 09:44.37 | pw | you'll need to make one |
| 09:44.52 | Gnea | well it snagged the lists |
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| 09:44.59 | florathief | howdy gents |
| 09:45.07 | Phated | Hmph. |
| 09:45.13 | florathief | <--- new to debian |
| 09:45.25 | kraftwerk | sarge yet released? it's the 19. ;-) |
| 09:45.31 | pw | potemkin: "You must have at least 16MB of memory and 110MB of hard disk space" <-- rules my A5000 *right* out. |
| 09:45.45 | florathief | um.... why are there seven (7!) r2 CDs? |
| 09:45.48 | thomas_adam | pw: You have an Acorn Archimedies? |
| 09:45.52 | scarynetworkguy | kraftwerk: I like your early stuff really well not so much the last couple of albums though |
| 09:45.52 | pw | thomas_adam: Indeed so. |
| 09:46.05 | pw | kraftwerk: I thought you went off the boil post-1980. |
| 09:46.11 | thomas_adam | pw: Lucky sod. I've been after a proper RISC computer like that for years. Reminds me of school. :) |
| 09:46.16 | pw | thomas_adam: Buy mine. |
| 09:46.23 | thomas_adam | pw: How much? |
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| 09:46.28 | Gnea | ok i created preferences |
| 09:46.36 | thomas_adam | pw: Or rather - where are you? ;) |
| 09:46.39 | kraftwerk | scarynetworkguy, pw: uarghn =P i'm not kraftwerk, i am kraftwerk! |
| 09:46.43 | pw | thomas_adam: Teesside. |
| 09:46.44 | Gnea | but now it's not getting the hpoj from experimental |
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| 09:46.48 | Gnea | why the fuck... |
| 09:46.59 | thomas_adam | pw: I'm in Southampton. |
| 09:47.00 | basilikos | hello is there a dutch debian channel/ |
| 09:47.07 | thomas_adam | !~dutch |
| 09:47.09 | thomas_adam | !+dutch |
| 09:47.09 | dpkg | dutch is probably soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 09:47.11 | Gnea | !dutch |
| 09:47.11 | dpkg | dutch is probably soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 09:47.13 | pw | thomas_adam: Heh. Postage would be quite fearsome, I think |
| 09:47.31 | thomas_adam | pw: Err, just a bit. :) I'm a poor student who does not drive. :) |
| 09:47.54 | basilikos | in #debian.nl there no-one ;) |
| 09:48.00 | Gnea | ha |
| 09:48.02 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Awwwwww |
| 09:48.03 | thomas_adam | basilikos: Oh well. Tough. |
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| 09:48.10 | helix | thomas_adam: be nice :/ |
| 09:48.29 | pw | Dr Jekyll, even. |
| 09:48.37 | florathief | ok |
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| 09:48.39 | Phated | helix: Been having a cold? |
| 09:48.43 | florathief | (tries a different angle) |
| 09:48.45 | basilikos | can some one help me out? i have probs installing irssi because i dont have glib. |
| 09:48.58 | helix | Phated: oh. no, it just didn't.. seem very scented for a while |
| 09:49.02 | thomas_adam | basilikos: You do have glib, otherwise you wouldn't have an installation to speak of. |
| 09:49.02 | Phated | florathief: *sigh* Use the first one alone, and do a netinst. |
| 09:49.02 | helix | like, the first hour or two |
| 09:49.05 | Phated | helix: Ahh. |
| 09:49.05 | florathief | if i download all the r2 CDs am i going to have to re-download all the sarge ones when it goes stable? |
| 09:49.10 | florathief | or will apt update? |
| 09:49.15 | scarynetworkguy | basilikos: how are you trying to install irssi? |
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| 09:49.16 | thomas_adam | basilikos: What's the _real_ error? |
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| 09:49.52 | pw | Those crazy ARM Linuxers! |
| 09:49.53 | basilikos | oke this is the error during install irssi |
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| 09:50.01 | pw | http://www.bits.bris.ac.uk/dooby/armlinux/download/ <-- ARM Linux in 4MB :-) |
| 09:50.06 | thomas_adam | pw: How much are RISC PCs, anyway? |
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| 09:50.17 | basilikos | gzip: glib.bla.bla.tz not foung |
| 09:50.25 | thomas_adam | basilikos: No, try again. |
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| 09:50.37 | thomas_adam | basilikos: I don't like guessing games, even if today is Sunday. |
| 09:50.42 | basilikos | cofigure error: glib is needed for installing irssi |
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| 09:50.56 | scarynetworkguy | basilikos: wrong |
| 09:51.05 | Gnea | W: Did not understand pin type release=experimental |
| 09:51.05 | Gnea | e: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 09:51.12 | basilikos | scarynetworkguy: ? |
| 09:51.15 | Gnea | grrrrr |
| 09:51.18 | pw | thomas_adam: Dunno. There's always loads on ebay, though. They'd make a much better target for Linux than the Ax000 boxes. |
| 09:51.19 | Gnea | dpkg lied. |
| 09:51.20 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Gnea |
| 09:51.43 | pw | Gnea: come to #flood with me and show me your preferences file |
| 09:51.43 | thomas_adam | basilikos: Why don't you just use the binary package rather than trying to compile it? What you really mean from that error is that you did not install 'build-essential', because you're out of your depth. |
| 09:52.03 | peterS | dpkg lied is <reply>YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH |
| 09:52.04 | dpkg | okay, peterS |
| 09:52.16 | helix | heh |
| 09:52.27 | basilikos | can i pls p/m some one about my prob :) i get crazy from this public :D |
| 09:52.27 | streuner | argh |
| 09:52.30 | streuner | sunday |
| 09:52.37 | Splatch | yop yop all |
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| 09:52.44 | thomas_adam | basilikos: No. |
| 09:52.51 | thomas_adam | basilikos: You have the answer from me. |
| 09:52.53 | petemc | basilikos: apt-get install irssi-test |
| 09:52.55 | petemc | gah |
| 09:53.00 | petemc | text, not test |
| 09:53.27 | basilikos | oke tnx ill try |
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| 09:53.34 | Jubin | hi |
| 09:53.36 | pw | Gnea: did that fix it? |
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| 09:53.41 | streuner | basilikos: what makes you think, you need to compile irssi-text? |
| 09:53.52 | Jubin | I am running Eclipse on debian, it says GTK+ too olkd, current version 2.0.2, required: 2.0.6 |
| 09:53.55 | Jubin | what can I do ? |
| 09:54.03 | thomas_adam | Jubin: Use the lesstif version. Much nicer. |
| 09:54.19 | Gnea | pw: yes, thank you :) |
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| 09:54.36 | pw | Gnea: Yay! Another user about to trash his machine thanks to the glory of experimental! |
| 09:54.45 | Jubin | thomas: lesstif version of what ? |
| 09:54.47 | Gnea | hahhaha |
| 09:54.54 | thomas_adam | Jubin: Woody, I assume? |
| 09:55.11 | Jubin | thomas: yes |
| 09:55.18 | Jubin | (debian woody) |
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| 09:55.21 | thomas_adam | Jubin: Dist-upgrade to sarge. |
| 09:55.30 | Jubin | how can I do that ? |
| 09:55.35 | thomas_adam | Jubin: Then try eclipse again. Or, if you're like me when doing Java, just use vim. |
| 09:55.36 | Jubin | (sarge is unstable, isnt it ?) |
| 09:55.40 | thomas_adam | Jubin: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 09:55.51 | streuner | Jubin: no - testing |
| 09:56.01 | Jubin | hm |
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| 09:56.05 | thomas_adam | Very nearly stable.... very nearly. |
| 09:56.19 | Jubin | thomas: errm hm - dpkg woody->sarge will work ? |
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| 09:56.27 | thomas_adam | Jubin: No. |
| 09:56.30 | thomas_adam | Jubin: I made it all up. |
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| 09:56.38 | Phated | thomas_adam: Bad, bad, person. |
| 09:56.42 | thomas_adam | !tell Jubin about woody->sarge |
| 09:56.45 | Jubin | ho thomas |
| 09:56.48 | Jubin | got it |
| 09:56.49 | thomas_adam | Jubin: Follow that, and have fun. |
| 09:56.51 | Jubin | already. |
| 09:57.02 | thomas_adam | Jubin: You can follow instructions, yes? |
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| 09:57.18 | Gnea | man it's been a longtime since i made a .deb out of a source package... |
| 09:57.23 | pw | OK. So, here's the deal. I've got a 266MHz G3 iMac, 96MB, 6GB. I want to install Debian on it, because it's got insufficient memory for OSX and OS8.6 isn't floating my boat any more. I've downloaded the ISOs but the damn box isn't reading the CDs - it can't boot from the first one, and just gives up and boots OS 8.6. Clues? |
| 09:57.53 | thomas_adam | pw: BIOS supportds booting from CD, yes? |
| 09:57.56 | Gnea | <- knows jack shit about macs |
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| 09:58.06 | pw | thomas_adam: I can boot off the OSX and 8.5 installation CDs just fine. |
| 09:58.09 | amorphix | hi everyone |
| 09:58.15 | pw | hello |
| 09:58.16 | thomas_adam | pw: Try #debianppc |
| 09:58.22 | pw | thomas_adam: kewl, will do |
| 09:58.25 | petemc | pw: when i used debian on old world macs, a long time ago, i had a small os8 install and used bootx to load debian |
| 09:58.34 | Jubin | but - stupid question: I know there is a simple command for substituting strings in text files, but I dont remember |
| 09:58.45 | gordonjcp | Jubin: sed? |
| 09:58.46 | hackeron | is everything from dmesg stored in /var/log/messages as well? |
| 09:58.48 | amorphix | I've just installed a backported Apache 2 on Woody and I'm wondering if anyone else has managed to do this and get PHP working? I can't find any documentation on this |
| 09:58.50 | caphuso | Jubin: perl -pi.bak -e 's/foo/bar/g' |
| 09:59.05 | petemc | Jubin: in vim :%s/foo/bar/ |
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| 09:59.25 | Jubin | pete: foo is the source, bar the dest ? |
| 09:59.36 | pw | petemc: OK, I'll investigate bootx. |
| 09:59.40 | petemc | foo changes to bar |
| 09:59.43 | pw | That might get me where I need to go. |
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| 10:00.01 | amorphix | I'm just wondering if I need to install something like a module for Apache 2 that also needs to be backported? |
| 10:00.05 | petemc | pw: nb its not bootx that osx uses, its something else |
| 10:00.41 | pw | petemc: yaboot for OSX, innit? |
| 10:00.57 | petemc | yaboot is a boot loader for new world macs |
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| 10:01.30 | scarynetworkguy | petemc: what does the "new world" and "old world" thing refer to? |
| 10:01.42 | amorphix | Apache 2.0 (backported) + PHP4 on Woody, can it be done? |
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| 10:01.52 | petemc | scarynetworkguy: a change that happened around the G3 time |
| 10:01.56 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: different type of firmware in older and newer powerpc-based macs |
| 10:01.57 | helix | that nick seems a bit redundant |
| 10:02.04 | Marsupilcoalt | could somebody tell me how to build a mirror of a DNS server ? ( not really dealing with debian but i didn't know where to ask that... ^^; ) |
| 10:02.06 | Jubin | I guess I ll have to reboot after updating to sarge |
| 10:02.15 | thomas_adam | Jubin: reboot? |
| 10:02.27 | RetardedSmurf | are their pirates here? |
| 10:02.29 | Jubin | yes |
| 10:02.31 | Jubin | reboot |
| 10:02.36 | Jubin | no ? |
| 10:02.44 | thomas_adam | maybe? |
| 10:02.45 | rich_ | I think the major change that happenned at apple was when they authorised clones, and I have no idea how that changed their product |
| 10:02.48 | amorphix | haha |
| 10:03.06 | thomas_adam | I liked apple when they had that nice multi-coloured logo. |
| 10:03.08 | helix | RetardedSmurf: are whose pirates here? |
| 10:03.12 | thomas_adam | Now I don't like them. |
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| 10:03.19 | petemc | helix: its talk like a pirate day |
| 10:03.23 | RetardedSmurf | Hi i was running fedora and sound worked, then i got pissed at yum so i installed debian and now sound doesnt work, can i blame you guys? |
| 10:03.25 | amorphix | Apple is a fading force in the computer industry |
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| 10:03.26 | peterS | p3T3mc: w3 kn0W th4t |
| 10:03.28 | helix | petemc: he said "their" pirates |
| 10:03.33 | petemc | ahh |
| 10:03.34 | basilikos | hmz can any one tell me why apt-get install glib-dev not works? |
| 10:03.36 | helix | petemc: so I wondered whose he meant :) |
| 10:03.40 | Gnea | ok this has to be the most retarded thing i have seen in a rules file before |
| 10:03.44 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.48 | pw | RetardedSmurf: We've got 0-dayz warez! |
| 10:03.50 | Gnea | there is no cups-config command!!! |
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| 10:04.02 | thomas_adam | basilikos: No such package, that's why. |
| 10:04.05 | pw | RetardedSmurf: /msg dpkg experimental for info on the hottest apps! |
| 10:04.08 | Gnea | unless i forget to install the dev package |
| 10:04.17 | thomas_adam | basilikos: libglib1.2-dev - Development files for GL |
| 10:04.17 | thomas_adam | libglib2.0-dev - Development files for th |
| 10:04.23 | amorphix | basilikos: check your package name |
| 10:04.24 | RetardedSmurf | pw: i dont need the hottest apps, just sound |
| 10:04.41 | basilikos | oke tnx |
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| 10:04.48 | thomas_adam | basilikos: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:04.49 | RetardedSmurf | besides, apt-cache dump shows me all the hottest apps >_< |
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| 10:05.16 | amorphix | who's root |
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| 10:05.33 | Phated | Some moron IRCing as root, no doubt. |
| 10:05.39 | Gnea | amorphix: yo' momma |
| 10:05.42 | amorphix | hehe |
| 10:05.43 | RetardedSmurf | the sndconfig wants .o modules but all my kernel modules are .ko, i ran alsaconfig and it said everything is great, enjoy your sound, but aplay just hangs |
| 10:05.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:06.00 | Gnea | what if it's just someone? |
| 10:06.04 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: Eh/ |
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| 10:06.08 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: I don't know how alsaconfig or sndconfig work - I bypass them both by just forcing modules to load |
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| 10:06.14 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: so, what sound chip do you have? |
| 10:06.18 | RetardedSmurf | my modules are loaded |
| 10:06.23 | RetardedSmurf | i810 |
| 10:06.23 | Gnea | alsa rocks |
| 10:06.26 | helix | OK, I'M RELOADED |
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| 10:06.31 | RetardedSmurf | snd-intel8x0 or something |
| 10:06.33 | RetardedSmurf | for the module |
| 10:06.39 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: so you have the 'snd_intel8x0' module loaded but *not* the 'i810_audio' module? |
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| 10:07.13 | peterS | Gnea: I think she really meant she's loaded. on rum, no doubt, given what day it is |
| 10:07.14 | pw | helix: Does that mean you now suck, as in "Metallica" and "The Matrix"? |
| 10:07.26 | Gnea | peterS: good point |
| 10:07.34 | Gnea | hey now |
| 10:07.35 | RetardedSmurf | hold on i rebooted let me get back to where i was |
| 10:07.45 | helix | pw: it was a movie quote.. :( |
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| 10:07.51 | Gnea | pw: i'll have you know i found my old tape of master of puppets. and it still works! :P |
| 10:07.58 | rich_ | Some oss drivers are better, some alsa drivers are better. It depends on your sound card |
| 10:08.09 | rich_ | And needs I guess |
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| 10:08.31 | ysothoth | Gnea: I feel sorry for you. |
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| 10:08.52 | pw | Gnea: Metallica entered The Decade Of Suck in 1990. They still haven't left |
| 10:09.10 | Gnea | see, everything pre-blackalbum didn't suck |
| 10:09.18 | peterS | Gnea: was that the turning point? |
| 10:09.18 | RetardedSmurf | ok i do have that loaded |
| 10:09.27 | Gnea | peterS: basically |
| 10:09.32 | Gnea | it really got going with load |
| 10:09.35 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: which one? I mentioned two modules for your sound chip. do you have both loaded, or just one? |
| 10:09.37 | petemc | i would be inclined to agree |
| 10:09.58 | Gnea | garage days still the best, with creeping death coming in second |
| 10:09.59 | rich_ | ftp://GDlive.com/phish/991230 .... open source music that the artist wants you to hear. |
| 10:10.05 | RetardedSmurf | i have snd-intel8x0, snd-intel8x0 loaded |
| 10:10.11 | RetardedSmurf | err |
| 10:10.15 | RetardedSmurf | i meant to say i810_audio |
| 10:10.16 | RetardedSmurf | as well |
| 10:10.21 | RetardedSmurf | rather then the same thing twice |
| 10:10.24 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: you should *not* have i810_audio loaded, is my point |
| 10:10.29 | RetardedSmurf | oh |
| 10:10.33 | RetardedSmurf | heh |
| 10:10.39 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: how the hell... i810_audio is the OSS driver |
| 10:10.50 | Gnea | get rid of that OSS crap |
| 10:10.51 | peterS | Gnea: probably autoloaded by some evil autoload thingy |
| 10:10.52 | RetardedSmurf | oh, well i loaded it when you mentioned it, before i didnt have it |
| 10:10.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:11.00 | RetardedSmurf | err i DIDnt have it loaded |
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| 10:11.09 | RetardedSmurf | i need cofee |
| 10:11.10 | Gnea | peterS: perhaps dave mustaine wrote the driver |
| 10:11.12 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: so hmmm. anyway, remove it. 'rmmod i810_audio' |
| 10:11.35 | RetardedSmurf | ok |
| 10:11.39 | Gnea | hrm |
| 10:11.55 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: and you do have snd_intel8x0 loaded, still. I don't know what would go wrong if you have that loaded. |
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| 10:12.12 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: you *can* load snd_pcm_oss as well - that provides compatibility with non-ALSA apps |
| 10:12.18 | acollins | can anyone tell how to run make-kpkg so that I get the same config as my existing prepackaged kernel? |
| 10:12.24 | amorphix | Apache 2.0 (backported) + PHP4 on Woody, can it be done? |
| 10:12.27 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: so, that's recommended, but it won't fix your problem with your actual ALSA app |
| 10:12.33 | alejandro_ | hi, it is possible to mount a bin file with mount -o loop -t iso9660 ? |
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| 10:12.45 | peterS | acollins: the .config file is in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 10:12.46 | RetardedSmurf | thats true it wont |
| 10:12.47 | Gnea | alejandro_: no |
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| 10:13.04 | acollins | peterS: thanks! |
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| 10:13.14 | alejandro_ | Gnea, do you know which option do I need to mount that file? |
| 10:13.19 | cahoot | RetardedSmurf: read /proc/asound/pcm |
| 10:13.25 | Gnea | alejandro_: it won't mount |
| 10:13.28 | pep | gosh, 63,8 MB of updates for sarge today |
| 10:13.37 | Gnea | alejandro_: just burn it to a cd and make an iso out of that |
| 10:13.38 | kruzi | damn |
| 10:13.48 | kruzi | must be close to becoming stable |
| 10:13.48 | alejandro_ | Gnea, it is 750mb :( |
| 10:13.53 | kruzi | e.g. current release |
| 10:13.58 | Gnea | alejandro_: so use an 800meg cdr |
| 10:14.04 | RetardedSmurf | also if it helps im running sarge |
| 10:14.08 | RetardedSmurf | with 2.6... |
| 10:14.19 | pep | kruzi: rather the opposite |
| 10:14.21 | alejandro_ | Gnea, i would....but i don't have one... |
| 10:14.39 | acollins | peterS: works a treat! thanks again |
| 10:14.40 | alejandro_ | there is no way to save a bin file into a iso file? |
| 10:14.48 | pep | kruzi: imho tha amount of changes is reverse proportional to stability |
| 10:14.55 | pep | s/tha/the/ |
| 10:14.59 | kruzi | yeah |
| 10:15.00 | peterS | RetardedSmurf: unless you've got some other random module interfering with snd_intel8x0, I don't know why an alsa app would just *hang* |
| 10:15.02 | kruzi | but not quite yet |
| 10:15.07 | Gnea | alejandro_: walmart opens in a little while :) |
| 10:15.09 | kruzi | hence debian aint called it yet:) |
| 10:15.14 | cartman | alejandro_: http://glindorf.linuxuser.hu/glinuxia/downloads/bin2iso.tar.gz |
| 10:15.15 | Gnea | oh wait |
| 10:15.19 | cartman | alejandro_: worth a try |
| 10:15.22 | Gnea | oh, shweet |
| 10:15.23 | pep | but, I am running sarge to help it become stable anyways :) |
| 10:15.26 | scarynetworkguy | !lart walmart customers |
| 10:15.27 | alejandro_ | cartman, yes :D |
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| 10:15.40 | RetardedSmurf | sealab:/# aplay -l |
| 10:15.40 | RetardedSmurf | **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** |
| 10:15.40 | RetardedSmurf | card 0: ICH5 [Intel ICH5], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel ICH5] |
| 10:15.40 | RetardedSmurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.40 | RetardedSmurf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:16.10 | pep | harsh rules about flooding here |
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| 10:16.26 | RetardedSmurf | opps flood |
| 10:16.27 | Gnea | eh |
| 10:16.31 | RetardedSmurf | wasnt sure how gaim was gonna post that =/ |
| 10:16.33 | Gnea | harsh smarsh |
| 10:16.44 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:17.05 | RetardedSmurf | how much of that did it I send |
| 10:17.20 | Gnea | <RetardedSmurf> Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 |
| 10:17.24 | Gnea | ^^ last line |
| 10:17.43 | RetardedSmurf | was the line before that Subdevices: 1/1 |
| 10:17.46 | RetardedSmurf | or Subdevices: 0/1 |
| 10:17.53 | Gnea | yeah |
| 10:18.09 | RetardedSmurf | the first one? |
| 10:18.15 | Gnea | 2nd |
| 10:18.28 | Phated | Don't you even think of pasting the rest of it in here. |
| 10:18.37 | Gnea | as i stated: /topic |
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| 10:19.10 | RetardedSmurf | noted |
| 10:19.15 | RetardedSmurf | ok i flooded in flood :) |
| 10:19.32 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:19.34 | Gnea | i'm not there |
| 10:20.02 | RetardedSmurf | then your lucky |
| 10:20.08 | alejandro_ | cartman, converting...thanks :) |
| 10:20.08 | RetardedSmurf | it was horrible, no one survived |
| 10:20.15 | Gnea | as usual |
| 10:20.16 | cartman | alejandro_: np |
| 10:20.19 | Gnea | ;) |
| 10:20.25 | tzafrir_ | Is there a simple way of making certain packages (thttpd, dnsmasq) not to run by default? |
| 10:20.40 | amorphix | Apache 2.0 (backported) + PHP4 on Woody, can it be done? |
| 10:20.47 | caphuso | tzafrir_: rm /etc/rc2.d/S??whatever |
| 10:21.48 | caphuso | amorphix: if you're using apache2-mpm-prefork and can get your hands on a libapache2-mod-php4 package, yes |
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| 10:23.23 | RetardedSmurf | is there a way to fetch an alsa package and enable debugging or would i have to go ahead and get the source to get that going? |
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| 10:23.38 | amorphix | caphuso: aha would the libapache2-mod-php4 need to be ported also? |
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| 10:24.44 | caphuso | amorphix: guess |
| 10:24.51 | amorphix | caphuso: yes? |
| 10:25.15 | Gnea | checking for user-mode USB support... LIBUSB |
| 10:25.17 | Gnea | w00t |
| 10:26.01 | amorphix | caphuso: where can I find a backported mod then? |
| 10:26.12 | RetardedSmurf | i did read /proc/asound/pcm and nothing outputed |
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| 10:26.32 | caphuso | amorphix: apt-get.org? google? ~/my_own_backports? |
| 10:27.05 | RetardedSmurf | does anyone use gdesklets? |
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| 10:27.08 | potemkin | amorphix, be warned though, last time I checked there were *still* apache2 threading issues in some of PHP4's extension libraries |
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| 10:27.18 | amorphix | damn |
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| 10:27.25 | amorphix | caphuso: thanks |
| 10:27.29 | RetardedSmurf | did you have to do anything funky aside from apt-get install'ing the pkgs? |
| 10:27.32 | caphuso | that's why you use apache-mpm-prefork |
| 10:28.11 | caphuso | which behaves exactly like apache 1.3, with a higher version number |
| 10:28.17 | potemkin | caphuso, ah, right you are. But then what are the benefits of upgrading to 2 |
| 10:28.55 | RetardedSmurf | the images it comes with for fancy indexing are cooler |
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| 10:29.04 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 10:29.24 | cahoot | RetardedSmurf: and /proc/asound/cards is empty too - then alsa doesn't seem to be loaded |
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| 10:30.31 | ribnitz | Are harddisks really the cheapest form of storage? - What do I have to invest to get them hot-swappable? |
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| 10:31.33 | amorphix | caphuso: I see, thanks for that.. I guess I may need a higher version of PHP4 than is currently in Woody also eh |
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| 10:31.46 | dj-death | Hi all |
| 10:31.53 | mazze | make-kpkg tells me, that I needed to apply a patch for cramfs to my pristine 2.6.8.1er kernel, if I wanted to use initrd. But where can I find this patch? Or how do I change mkinitrd not to use cramfs? |
| 10:31.57 | dj-death | does someone use udev here ? |
| 10:32.25 | RetardedSmurf | cahoot: yeah that is empty to |
| 10:32.43 | dj-death | I would like to link the /dev/ node's of my mp3 player to /dev/iriver |
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| 10:33.44 | cahoot | RetardedSmurf: alsa isn't loaded |
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| 10:34.34 | RetardedSmurf | that could probably be causing a problem |
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| 10:37.09 | khagen | Hello, does anybody know if there's a channel on cyrus-imap? |
| 10:37.21 | teclo | Hello. How can I know if a hard drive is UDMA66 or UDMA100 or other ? hdparm -I /dev/hdb says DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 *udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 udma6 ... but it doesnt help me... Any idea ? |
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| 10:37.37 | RetardedSmurf | alsa does get mentioned in my boot |
| 10:37.42 | RetardedSmurf | let me see what it says |
| 10:37.43 | thomas_adam | teclo: paste the hdparm output to #flood |
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| 10:38.48 | RetardedSmurf | how do i start alsa? |
| 10:38.53 | khagen | teclo: Sorry, but I'd like to know myself. |
| 10:38.58 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: /etc/init.d/alsa start |
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| 10:39.16 | teclo | thomas_adam: thank you |
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| 10:39.32 | RetardedSmurf | thomas_adam: thx i was looking in the rc.d folders (used to bsd) |
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| 10:39.50 | RetardedSmurf | ok i ran that and im reading pcm and cards but still nothing |
| 10:39.53 | ribnitz | is it worth optimising hdd params if that thing is an ide disk with a sata interface, and is connected to a pci slot? |
| 10:40.00 | zakame | hehello |
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| 10:40.07 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:40.22 | mazze | does the "kernel-source-2.6.8"-package from sarge really contain Linux 2.6.8.0 or 2.6.8.1 ? |
| 10:40.25 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: apt-get install alsamixer |
| 10:40.35 | Gnea | mazze: .1 |
| 10:40.41 | RetardedSmurf | 0 [ICH5 ]: ICH - Intel ICH5 Intel ICH5 at 0xfebff800, irq 17 |
| 10:40.54 | mazze | Gnea thanks. |
| 10:40.57 | thomas_adam | Gnea: No, alsa-utils |
| 10:40.58 | Gnea | probably needs unmuting |
| 10:40.59 | RetardedSmurf | ah damn |
| 10:41.03 | RetardedSmurf | i was using read as a command |
| 10:41.12 | RetardedSmurf | ok they both display stuff |
| 10:41.13 | Gnea | oh, right |
| 10:41.13 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: It's a builtin. |
| 10:41.15 | Gnea | alsa-utils |
| 10:41.22 | RetardedSmurf | i have amixer and alsa-utils |
| 10:41.43 | Gnea | type alsamixer |
| 10:41.47 | khagen | RetardedSmurf: What's the problem? |
| 10:42.01 | thomas_adam | Go on, Gnea - I have to see this. |
| 10:42.07 | RetardedSmurf | when i give aplay a wave it just hangs and i dont get to hear the cool sound |
| 10:42.12 | ribnitz | Ok, I give it another try, how do I get a working xine in sarge? |
| 10:42.33 | RetardedSmurf | Gnea: I used alsamixer & raised the volume |
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| 10:42.46 | khagen | RetardedSmurf: Can you run alsamixer? |
| 10:42.51 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: did you check the tweeter in your speakers? |
| 10:42.57 | ribnitz | mine always dyes on maximising the window on startup (and then killing the wm |
| 10:42.58 | khagen | RetardedSmurf: sorry |
| 10:43.32 | teclo | thomas_adam: did you see on #flood my paste of the hdparm command ? |
| 10:43.34 | RetardedSmurf | Gnea: headfones, full volume, but anycase shouldnt i get back to the prompt after running aplay? |
| 10:43.37 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: How do you mean? |
| 10:43.44 | thomas_adam | teclo: I do, just a moment... |
| 10:43.50 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: perhaps it's still playing |
| 10:44.00 | teclo | thomas_adam: thank you |
| 10:44.04 | RetardedSmurf | Gnea: its ding.wav very short :) |
| 10:44.17 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: well for all i know it could be 30 megs ;) |
| 10:44.19 | thomas_adam | teclo: The DMA in use is the one marked (*), so: *mdma2 in your case. |
| 10:44.20 | nksen | hm. freshly installed mysqld. but when doing '/etc/init.d/mysql start' i just get 'Starting mysqld...Failed' the logs don't say anything. any suggestions? |
| 10:44.25 | RetardedSmurf | DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNGGGGG |
| 10:44.38 | RetardedSmurf | many more I's but i dont want to get kicked |
| 10:44.41 | RetardedSmurf | :P |
| 10:44.46 | khagen | RetardedSmurf: Are your oss-drivers loaded? If so.. unload them. |
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| 10:44.48 | thomas_adam | nksen: #mysql |
| 10:44.53 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: but seriously, have you run the alsamixer program? |
| 10:45.18 | RetardedSmurf | Gnea: yes i have, the volume is up |
| 10:45.27 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: and it's not muted anywhere? |
| 10:45.34 | RetardedSmurf | khagen: if your reffering to the 810_audio i dont have it loaded |
| 10:46.05 | teclo | thomas_adam: ok but, what does mdma2 mean ? 66 ? 100 ? Other ? |
| 10:46.10 | RetardedSmurf | Gnea: no mutes |
| 10:46.22 | khagen | RetardedSmurf: Okay, that caused me a lot of time figuring out. |
| 10:46.23 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: are you in X? |
| 10:46.31 | snoke | is there driver for ich5 sata raid |
| 10:46.35 | thomas_adam | teclo: Read the manpage for hdparm - it's probably explained there. |
| 10:46.44 | thomas_adam | snoke: google.com/linux |
| 10:46.46 | RetardedSmurf | Gnea: I am in X |
| 10:46.56 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: do you have xmms installed? |
| 10:47.00 | RetardedSmurf | yes |
| 10:47.02 | teclo | thomas_adam: thank y |
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| 10:47.12 | Gnea | ok, open it up |
| 10:47.14 | Rooinek | bye |
| 10:47.20 | Gnea | select output plugin as alsa |
| 10:47.24 | thomas_adam | How do you go from alsamixer to xmms? I'd personally like to see RetardedSmurf's 'lsmod' output for starters. |
| 10:47.27 | Gnea | then configure it |
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| 10:47.53 | Gnea | what shows for audio device if you click the arrow? |
| 10:48.00 | RetardedSmurf | thomas_adam: ill post it in flood |
| 10:48.06 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: Good man. |
| 10:48.06 | khagen | lsmod woold be nice. |
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| 10:48.53 | GreenAsJade | Looking for some help to figure out why my machine who's IP address is x.x.x.x doesn't cope with |
| 10:48.55 | GreenAsJade | export DISPLAY=x.x.x.x:0.0;xhost + |
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| 10:49.08 | neemz | Hey folks I am about to go to university and I may need to tunnel my stuff to my unix box to bypass the uni proxy |
| 10:49.08 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: ROFL. |
| 10:49.18 | neemz | Problem is I don't know how to do this and i'm going in about 35 minutes |
| 10:49.22 | RetardedSmurf | hi |
| 10:49.31 | caphuso | GreenAsJade: a) that's terribly insecure and b) does your X server listen for TCP connections? |
| 10:49.32 | GreenAsJade | whadI say? whadI say? |
| 10:49.34 | mxn | neemz: Where you off to? :-) |
| 10:49.35 | nevyn | neemz: it's gonna take longer than that to sort it out. |
| 10:49.36 | teclo | thomas_adam: sorry but there's nothing about that in the manpage nor in /usr/share/doc/hdparm... They just say -I will give info |
| 10:49.39 | Gnea | neemz: you could setup a vpn - openvpn is very good |
| 10:49.41 | neemz | Manchester met |
| 10:49.51 | thomas_adam | neemz: Cool. |
| 10:49.57 | khagen | neemz: can you use ssh on the site? |
| 10:49.58 | neemz | I just need some kind of proxy daemon don't I |
| 10:49.59 | nevyn | configure ssh to listen on 443 and just ssh in? |
| 10:50.00 | Gnea | neemz: if you know a lot about networking you could prolly figure it out in 20 mins |
| 10:50.01 | GreenAsJade | caphuso: it's a local network |
| 10:50.14 | caphuso | GreenAsJade: uh, how does that matter? |
| 10:50.15 | GreenAsJade | How do I tell my X server to listen for TCP? |
| 10:50.18 | neemz | I doubt I will be able to ssh once at uni |
| 10:50.21 | RetardedSmurf | ok |
| 10:50.23 | GreenAsJade | security is not an issue |
| 10:50.29 | RetardedSmurf | i pasted the sound related stuff to flod |
| 10:50.30 | caphuso | *sigh* |
| 10:50.30 | RetardedSmurf | flood* |
| 10:50.35 | neemz | so im gonna have to get something working from here and then slap in the settings once othere there |
| 10:50.36 | Gnea | GreenAsJade: can i quote you on that?/ |
| 10:50.52 | GreenAsJade | if you help me solve the problem, sure quote me |
| 10:51.15 | neemz | I have two linux box's both running debian so I have plenty of choices to tunnel through |
| 10:51.16 | Gnea | GreenAsJade: how are you starting X? startx or x|k|gdm? |
| 10:51.18 | GreenAsJade | I'll even accept a lecture on taking security for grated if it comes with a solution as well |
| 10:51.25 | GreenAsJade | kdm |
| 10:51.25 | neemz | anything I can apt-get to do this for me? |
| 10:51.29 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oi. |
| 10:51.29 | Gnea | hrm |
| 10:51.38 | caphuso | GreenAsJade: use ssh x11 forwarding. do "/msg dpkg sshx" |
| 10:51.39 | GreenAsJade | I think/presume |
| 10:51.42 | Gnea | i haven't used kdm in a long time |
| 10:51.45 | khagen | apt-get install ssh? |
| 10:51.56 | RetardedSmurf | Gnea: I configued xmms to use the alsa output |
| 10:52.17 | Gnea | GreenAsJade: sshx will work too and is actually more secure |
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| 10:52.28 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: What are you trying to do, run X programs as root, or something? |
| 10:52.37 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: Not that you're a moron for trying, mind... |
| 10:52.41 | RetardedSmurf | it tells me that i need to check stuff |
| 10:52.47 | Gnea | RetardedSmurf: ok did you check to see what device it's actually using? |
| 10:52.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah I'm going to lastlog it now |
| 10:52.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No, no, ignore that after all. :| |
| 10:53.00 | GreenAsJade | I have been both root and not-root trying to do this |
| 10:53.06 | vegai | is there a way to rename alsa's channels (e.g. Headphones, Wave Surround) |
| 10:53.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: ok |
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| 10:53.29 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: I recommend you leave all your doors and windows open and put a sign up "All who wants to can come on in..." |
| 10:53.30 | RetardedSmurf | khagen: did you see my lsmod output in #flood |
| 10:53.33 | GreenAsJade | I'll look at x forwarding too, but it'd be nice to have something really basic working first... |
| 10:53.47 | caphuso | ssh x11 forwarding is basic |
| 10:53.55 | khagen | RetardedSmurf: no |
| 10:53.57 | GreenAsJade | Did I mention that these machines are VMware on a laptop? Good luck breaking ing... |
| 10:54.14 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: Before you get into bad habits, let's get one thing straight... DONT RUN COMMANDS USING xhost. :) Use ssh -X if you _really_ have to. |
| 10:54.16 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: should he provide lead pipes or would they be expected to bring their own? |
| 10:54.27 | Gnea | GreenAsJade has a good point there |
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| 10:54.34 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Now, really. You'd think he would provide them. |
| 10:54.36 | RetardedSmurf | khagen: do you want to see it? :P |
| 10:54.36 | Gnea | why waste those extra cpu cycles :) |
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| 10:54.43 | nevyn | GreenAsJade: you need an xserver for win32 |
| 10:54.48 | hcy | is there any reason why someone would want to format a HD as ext2 and not ext3? |
| 10:54.51 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Surplus to requirement. |
| 10:54.55 | khagen | RetardedSmurf: I'd like to. |
| 10:54.56 | caphuso | hcy: yes |
| 10:55.02 | Gnea | hcy: sure |
| 10:55.03 | GreenAsJade | Yeah - I'd love to have an xserver for win32. |
| 10:55.03 | RetardedSmurf | khagen: should i msg it to you? |
| 10:55.03 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: heh |
| 10:55.07 | GreenAsJade | Is there one? |
| 10:55.12 | RetardedSmurf | theres an expensive one |
| 10:55.14 | RetardedSmurf | and a free one |
| 10:55.15 | GreenAsJade | (But that doesn't solve my current problem) |
| 10:55.15 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I would think so :D |
| 10:55.18 | Gnea | there are many |
| 10:55.20 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 10:55.25 | RetardedSmurf | xwin-32 |
| 10:55.26 | pep | hcy: ext2 is faster, it would work on slower machines |
| 10:55.28 | RetardedSmurf | is nice but pricy |
| 10:55.45 | GreenAsJade | I went to get XFree86 today and cygwin setup told me that the packages were "removed'!! |
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| 10:56.06 | Gnea | ok sleep time |
| 10:56.09 | RetardedSmurf | gnite |
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| 10:56.48 | hcy | i just bought a new HD, and i'm about to format it... it's 160 GB, I'm going to leave about 30 GB unformatted for future emergency use, another 30 as FAT32, and 100 as a linux partition... on my old HD, I made the linux partition ext3, but I'm just wondering before I format this one if I should maybe consider doing it otherwise. |
| 10:56.49 | GreenAsJade | Anyhow, the problem that I'm trying to solve is why I can run an xterm on the _same_ machine if DISPLAY is :0.0, but not if DISPLAY is x.x.x.x:0.0 where x.x.x.x is the machine's OWN IP ADDRESS |
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| 10:57.07 | pep | hcy: I use reiser3 |
| 10:57.08 | neemz | Can I use squid on my debian server with proxytools on my local machine to bypass the university proxy? |
| 10:57.09 | thomas_adam | hcy: You can go ext2<=>ext3 very easily. |
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| 10:57.21 | peterS | GreenAsJade: because you are running X with "-nolisten tcp" |
| 10:57.29 | peterS | GreenAsJade: run 'ps -ef | grep X' and you'll see |
| 10:57.33 | GreenAsJade | oo ooo ooo am I!? |
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| 10:57.44 | GreenAsJade | dang. that guy's hacked into me already :-) |
| 10:57.51 | scarynetworkguy | neemz: is the box in question on the uni lan? |
| 10:57.54 | peterS | GreenAsJade: I see everything |
| 10:58.01 | sussudio | I see sunday people. |
| 10:58.13 | peterS | sussudio: and we don't even know it's sunday! |
| 10:58.14 | neemz | no scarynetworkguy |
| 10:58.21 | neemz | My box is external to everything |
| 10:58.26 | hcy | my ext3 partition works rather nicely, except that once when i wanted to undelete a file, the undelete apps in apt-get seemed to only work with ext2, not ext3. |
| 10:58.26 | mosty | greenasjade: xauth/xhost |
| 10:58.27 | RetardedSmurf | khagen: i msged you my lsmod sound related stuff |
| 10:58.29 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: they're everywhere |
| 10:58.30 | neemz | I was hoping I could tunnel over port 80 or something |
| 10:58.34 | thomas_adam | Best take Piggy with me. |
| 10:58.41 | GreenAsJade | Soooooo .... why is it like that, does it has to be, and how do I get round/change it? |
| 10:58.43 | Phated | sussudio: Run while you can. |
| 10:58.55 | pep | hcy: why would you use undelete if you have your backups? :> |
| 10:59.03 | peterS | GreenAsJade: depends on how you invoke X. edit a file in /etc/X11/ somewhere |
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| 10:59.12 | scarynetworkguy | neemz: tell squid to listen on some port that the uni allows out and then point the box that is internal to the uni at the squid box. |
| 10:59.17 | hcy | pep: huh? |
| 10:59.28 | scarynetworkguy | mmmmm bacon |
| 10:59.29 | GreenAsJade | OK - I'll go look for that. Is it set up like that just out of paranoia? |
| 10:59.39 | pep | hcy: in other words -- backup is the right thing, not undelete |
| 10:59.41 | Phated | pep: Translation - "What backups?" |
| 10:59.42 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: No, for your own safety. |
| 10:59.44 | neemz | okie dokey |
| 10:59.49 | pep | heh :) |
| 10:59.51 | GreenAsJade | heh heh touche |
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| 11:00.01 | mosty | greenasjade: does it really affect you? |
| 11:00.20 | scarynetworkguy | GreenAsJade: because it is the right and responsible way to do things. |
| 11:00.21 | hcy | pep: backup... you mean manually backing-up, or is there some feature in ext3 that i don't know about? |
| 11:00.39 | pep | I learned it when I had almost lost my work and didn't have backup of it |
| 11:00.39 | Phated | pep: Translation - "What are backups anyway?" |
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| 11:00.57 | GreenAsJade | Thanks for the info, and warnings. |
| 11:01.05 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: those are the things you use the bulk tape eraser on |
| 11:01.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 11:01.11 | pep | Phated: one has to loose all his data by accident to learn that backups should be made |
| 11:01.16 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: Well, not that we care, but teaching moro^H^H^H^Hpeople bad habits is not something we like to do. |
| 11:01.20 | Phated | pep: Believe me, I know. :) |
| 11:01.24 | hcy | what's the benefit of ext3 over ext2, then? |
| 11:01.31 | thomas_adam | hcy: journaling. |
| 11:01.34 | Phated | Journalign. |
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| 11:01.42 | sphenxes | sorry guys, but how can I change my password on the server |
| 11:01.43 | pep | hcy: ex3 is more proof to random power fails |
| 11:01.44 | Phated | Bah, late and couldn't even spell it right. |
| 11:01.50 | hcy | yeah, journaling, i've heard that word before... what's it used for? |
| 11:01.51 | mazze | when trying to install my newly generated kernel-2.6.8er package, mkinitrd tells me that the kernel did not support lvm, which is not correct, IMHO. What could went wrong? |
| 11:01.52 | scarynetworkguy | Dear Filysystem, Today was Sunday.... |
| 11:01.53 | sphenxes | freenode* |
| 11:01.53 | cartman | sphenxes: passwd |
| 11:01.54 | thomas_adam | sphenxes: as root: passwd <username> |
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| 11:02.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 11:02.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
| 11:02.10 | sphenxes | sorry i mean on freenode |
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| 11:02.19 | pep | hcy: to prevent data loss when your power supply stops randomly |
| 11:02.21 | cartman | hcy: journaling filesystems are fail safe ( usually ) |
| 11:02.24 | thomas_adam | sphenxes: Not too vague, then? |
| 11:02.25 | Phated | #freenode, certainly. |
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| 11:02.42 | scarynetworkguy | sphenxes: /msg nickserv |
| 11:02.43 | pep | or when you are experimenting with devel kernels etc |
| 11:02.44 | GreenAsJade | Ah, I love the friendly armosphere of an IRC channel! |
| 11:02.45 | cartman | sphenxes: /msg nickserv help passwd |
| 11:02.51 | sphenxes | thanks all |
| 11:02.56 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: You should come here on Sunday... oh.... |
| 11:02.57 | LordKahless | hey someone think theyc ould help me? last nite i tried to configure alsa and i used a prog called alsa conf, now on a different comp with similar hardware, apt-get wont install alsa conf |
| 11:02.59 | LordKahless | any ideas? |
| 11:03.02 | hcy | so can this journaling stuff be used to undelete files? or does it only work for power failures? |
| 11:03.05 | GreenAsJade | So - X11 tunnelling over ssh is what I should be doing, eh? |
| 11:03.24 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: "alsaconf", not "alsa conf". And can you be more specific...? |
| 11:03.25 | scarynetworkguy | hcy: did you blow away some data? |
| 11:03.38 | scarynetworkguy | !any ideas |
| 11:03.38 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of rutabagas, a little thermal paste, and 42 starving kittens. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:03.39 | cartman | sphenxes: /msg nickserv help set |
| 11:03.42 | cartman | :) |
| 11:04.02 | scarynetworkguy | GreenAsJade: yes |
| 11:04.03 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Given that 'alsaconf' is in the 'alsa-utils' package..... |
| 11:04.05 | mosty | greenasjade: yes. it's faster too |
| 11:04.05 | LordKahless | thomas_adam: err thats right alsaconf |
| 11:04.14 | LordKahless | o.O |
| 11:04.14 | hcy | scarynetworkguy: well, it happened to me once, and apt-cache search gave me some apps for undeleting stuff from ext2, but they said they didn't work for ext3. |
| 11:04.17 | GreenAsJade | thx. Are there other ways? |
| 11:04.18 | sphenxes | cartman, thanks |
| 11:04.28 | cartman | sphenxes: np |
| 11:04.37 | pep | hca: gosh, if you want undelete files then the best you can do is using some sort of DOS with FAT |
| 11:04.45 | LordKahless | thomas_adam: i was just doing apt-get install alsaconf, maybe thats my problem heh |
| 11:04.48 | scarynetworkguy | hcy: why worry about it when you have your backups? |
| 11:04.56 | RetardedSmurf | anyone use gdesklets ? |
| 11:04.57 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Yes, I didn't expect you to search for anything.... |
| 11:05.00 | thomas_adam | !tell LordKahless about search |
| 11:05.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: "What backups?" |
| 11:05.11 | hcy | scarynetworkguy: and you're backing up something that pep already said :) |
| 11:05.12 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
| 11:05.16 | thomas_adam | RetardedSmurf: #gnome morons do. |
| 11:05.23 | pep | hca: there you wil have software for defragmenting and undeleting :) |
| 11:05.24 | LordKahless | thomas_adam: when i did apt-cache search alsaconf it came up with alsa-utils and alsaconf |
| 11:05.31 | scarynetworkguy | hcy: that's because it's a fun joke |
| 11:05.36 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Well for me it did not. |
| 11:05.42 | RetardedSmurf | what do smart people use |
| 11:05.42 | LordKahless | but the package named alsaconf is broken or something, either way, thanks |
| 11:05.56 | LordKahless | thomas_adam: probably just my odd apt sources then |
| 11:05.59 | Phated | LordKahless: There -is- no package named alsaconf. |
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| 11:06.04 | hcy | the truth is that i deleted it too soon after creating those files, before i had a chance to back'em up |
| 11:06.09 | mosty | i want to lookup a bug in the bts, but i don't know what package to look at... the bug is that X migrates from tty7 to a random tty occaisionally. anyone seen that before? |
| 11:06.10 | scarynetworkguy | I've known much cooler klingons |
| 11:06.10 | thomas_adam | !+find alsaconf |
| 11:06.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 11:06.25 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Sunday, isn't it? |
| 11:06.32 | LordKahless | alsaconf - ALSA configurator |
| 11:06.43 | thomas_adam | !+find alsaconf sarge |
| 11:06.45 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:06.45 | Phated | LordKahless: FFS, install alsa-utils. |
| 11:06.47 | LordKahless | that comes up when i do apt-cache search alsaconf |
| 11:06.48 | hcy | actually, not true - they were on tape (dv video files), but i would rather have been able to undelete them quickly than to have to dvgrab them all over again. |
| 11:06.51 | RetardedSmurf | my alsa doesnt work :( |
| 11:07.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 11:07.12 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: why not just do what you've been told to? |
| 11:07.14 | thomas_adam | !+find alsaconf woody |
| 11:07.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:07.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf, /usr/lib/menu/alsaconf) in sound/alsaconf. |
| 11:07.44 | Phated | Ooo, in woody. |
| 11:07.57 | LordKahless | scarynetworkguy: i have and i fixed my problem, i was just clarifying why i had the problem, seeing as how people dont believe that i see a package named alsaconf |
| 11:08.09 | Phated | LordKahless: Apparently only in woody. :| |
| 11:08.15 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: what branch are you running? |
| 11:08.22 | LordKahless | unstable |
| 11:08.23 | hcy | so the journaling stuff doesn't help for stuff i delete myself, only stuff that power failures ruin? |
| 11:08.29 | mosty | yes |
| 11:08.36 | scarynetworkguy | hcy: right |
| 11:08.48 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: So you run a mixed system? |
| 11:08.53 | Phated | LordKahless: That would be sid != woody thus there is no alsaconf PACKAGE in sid, only the utility. |
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| 11:09.12 | Phated | LordKahless: [~@blue-nowhere] apt-cache search alsaconf |
| 11:09.12 | Phated | alsa-utils - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (utilities) |
| 11:09.13 | hcy | ok, bottom line, i want a nice, good, realiable linux partition... my system's fairly new and fast... what do you guys recommend? |
| 11:09.14 | Phated | There. |
| 11:09.20 | Phated | ext3. |
| 11:09.24 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: You have source lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for both woody and unstable? |
| 11:09.25 | LordKahless | all i knwo is, i installed debian from a netinstall cd i downloaded awhile back, did apt-get -t unstable dist-upgrade, and here i am |
| 11:09.32 | LordKahless | thomas_adam: aparently heh |
| 11:09.34 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: heh. |
| 11:09.34 | scarynetworkguy | hcy: if you have to ask ext3 |
| 11:09.42 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Welcome to your world of fuckedness. |
| 11:09.44 | mosty | hcy: use ext3 unless you have a pressing need for something only available in another fs |
| 11:09.49 | Phated | So that's two votes for ext3. |
| 11:09.55 | Phated | Oh, three votes now. |
| 11:10.00 | thomas_adam | Reiserfs. |
| 11:10.07 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: :D |
| 11:10.15 | Phated | Damn. I was hoping for unanimity sometime. |
| 11:10.18 | hcy | thomas_adam: what's the benefit of that? |
| 11:10.19 | thomas_adam | Spanner in the works. |
| 11:10.24 | Phated | Damn you. |
| 11:10.27 | thomas_adam | hcy: Only to confuse you. |
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| 11:10.53 | hcy | thomas_adam: oh, I thought you were serious |
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| 11:11.07 | Phated | *sigh* |
| 11:11.09 | scarynetworkguy | xteddyfs |
| 11:11.16 | Phated | YAY! |
| 11:11.17 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, I'm a bit new to debian, I want to install mySQL - Is apt-get the best method, also, if I use apt-get is there a flag to see which version will be installed before I install? |
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| 11:11.42 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Rule 1) When dist-upgrading do it properly. 2) Running a mixed system between unstable and stable is like your ex-gf bring your 'friend' after a breakup - it'll work for a while until she goes off on one. |
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| 11:11.43 | scarynetworkguy | "The cutest FS" |
| 11:11.52 | mosty | andrewtaylor: learn to use dselect or aptitude or synaptic, they're great for answering those sorts of questions |
| 11:12.07 | thomas_adam | mosty: No, not dselect. |
| 11:12.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: What does it do, besides make all your files look like teddies? |
| 11:12.20 | mosty | well i like dselect. |
| 11:12.22 | Phated | Eeeee, dselect. |
| 11:12.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: pretty much :D |
| 11:12.28 | Phated | :D |
| 11:12.33 | LordKahless | thomas_adam: well as far as i know, i dont have any packages from woody or sarge installed, but what was wrong with the way i did dist-upgrade? |
| 11:12.36 | hcy | why is there no way to undelete stuff in ext3, anyway? why enable it in ext2 and not in ext3? |
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| 11:12.41 | Phated | Er, s/Eeeee/Eeeeew/ |
| 11:12.51 | scarynetworkguy | I heard that dselect and aptitude cause cancer. Not sure about syanptic |
| 11:13.03 | mosty | hcy, undelete isn't really "enabled" in ext2 either |
| 11:13.05 | andrewtaylor_ | eek, i don't want to get cancer :) |
| 11:13.13 | andrewtaylor_ | We love a bit of FUD on a Sunday |
| 11:13.24 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: join #flood, and run the command: /exec -o grep -v '^#' /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:13.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Only apt doesn't cause cancer. |
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| 11:13.27 | ribnitz | hcy: people are expected to know what they are doing, btw. allowing undleete may be a security risk |
| 11:13.28 | mosty | andrewtaylor: but yes- apt-get install foo is the best way to install foo |
| 11:13.28 | scarynetworkguy | andrewtaylor_: then apt-get is the way to go |
| 11:13.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: coolness :D |
| 11:13.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 11:13.47 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: from your irc-client, that is. |
| 11:14.01 | hcy | mosty: so why does it work? |
| 11:14.03 | andrewtaylor_ | so, apt-get is a bit all encompassing, I don't seem to be able to do apt-get which version is mysql (or similar) |
| 11:14.03 | ribnitz | hcy: also ext2 is stone-o |
| 11:14.09 | LordKahless | thomas_adam: there ya go |
| 11:14.12 | helix | I wonder if ":D" overload is as bad as "huggle" overload. |
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| 11:14.37 | mosty | hcy: because people have written crazy hacks that kinda work sometimes, if the phase of the moon is right, because they're familiar with ext2. |
| 11:14.39 | Phated | helix: :D |
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| 11:14.52 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Right, you have one fucked file there - I want you to listen carefully.... |
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| 11:14.58 | LordKahless | heh |
| 11:15.01 | mosty | andrewtaylor: apt-cache show foo |
| 11:15.03 | hcy | mosty: but no hacks for ext3 |
| 11:15.12 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: comment out anything that does not have the word 'unstable' in that. |
| 11:15.26 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Can you do that? |
| 11:15.28 | andrewtaylor_ | aah thanks |
| 11:15.32 | LordKahless | -_- |
| 11:15.34 | hcy | ok, the people have spoken... ext3 it will be |
| 11:15.37 | mosty | hcy: ext3 is newer, and perhaps the journal confuses things. undelete doesn't even work well on ext2 |
| 11:16.04 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: [y/N/?] |
| 11:16.17 | mosty | andrewtaylor: try "apt-cache search mysql" |
| 11:16.29 | RetardedSmurf | anyone else have any ideas for my alsa woes? |
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| 11:16.40 | Phated | LordKahless: Yes, he's treating you like a moron because your sources.list shows that you are one. |
| 11:17.04 | RetardedSmurf | ill bring you the gift of peace |
| 11:17.04 | LordKahless | i didnt make the sources.list file, im not a moron, im just lazy |
| 11:17.14 | Profit | how can i change umask on only one group like group "users" with GID 101 |
| 11:17.18 | Phated | Oh, and that's a LOT better. |
| 11:17.26 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: same thing if you leave your shit broke |
| 11:17.30 | GreenAsJade | dang, how do Ii enable ssh ? |
| 11:17.31 | thomas_adam | Profit: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 11:17.34 | LordKahless | nothing is broken atm |
| 11:17.47 | Phated | LordKahless: You can't install, can you? :) |
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| 11:17.52 | scarynetworkguy | LordKahless: that file was broke |
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| 11:18.12 | LordKahless | i havent had any problems with the 3 installs ive done using that file |
| 11:18.17 | GreenAsJade | netstat tels me |
| 11:18.30 | hcy | "85 Linux Extended" = ext3? |
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| 11:18.53 | GreenAsJade | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 871 /tmp/ssh-nMixod645/agent.645 |
| 11:18.53 | thomas_adam | LordKahless: Do you want me to help you or not? Failure to do so, and your asking of subsequent questions to unbork your install when it fucks up, will result in no help. |
| 11:18.57 | Profit | thomas_adam, i'm on slackware sorry that i ask in channel debian but on other channels noone dont want to help me |
| 11:19.14 | thomas_adam | Profit: Then toodles to #slackware and wait. |
| 11:19.20 | deucalion | hcy: no, ext2 |
| 11:19.29 | hcy | deucalion: so what's ext3? |
| 11:19.30 | thomas_adam | Profit: How the hell can we help you when we run debian? Hmm? |
| 11:19.37 | deucalion | hcy: ext2+journaling |
| 11:19.48 | Profit | ok sorry thomas_adam |
| 11:19.49 | deucalion | hcy: but uses the same fs-id |
| 11:19.51 | GreenAsJade | you could help me instead.... ;-) |
| 11:19.58 | RetardedSmurf | or me |
| 11:20.02 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: No, you were and are now beyond that. |
| 11:20.03 | hcy | deucalion: so i use 85? |
| 11:20.03 | RetardedSmurf | helping me is awesome |
| 11:20.06 | deucalion | hcy: yes |
| 11:20.13 | hcy | deucalion: ok |
| 11:20.31 | thomas_adam | GreenAsJade: Hey, there's room up here for you, too. |
| 11:20.37 | deucalion | hcy: and - if you want - you can always change the fs even on a running system between ext2 and ext3 with tune2fs |
| 11:20.46 | GreenAsJade | he heh :-) :-) |
| 11:20.49 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite GreenAsJade |
| 11:20.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Like that one? :) |
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| 11:21.17 | deucalion | hcy: just read the man-page of tune2fs, especially the stuff concerning the -O parameter |
| 11:21.25 | hcy | if i'm going to have a fat32 partition on this disk as well which i'll use both in linux and windowsXP, does it make a difference which one comes first on the partition? |
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| 11:21.29 | caphuso | deucalion: it's not that easy. you have to umount and mount to really change the filesystem type |
| 11:21.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes I do |
| 11:21.37 | LordKahless | thomas_adam: i had one problem, it is fixed, if my install gets borked, ill reinstall, find out what screwed me up in the first place, and not do it again. i never claimed to know debian that well, so if all ur gonna do is act condisending because you are a bit more experienced with a paticular distro, then no, i dont want your help |
| 11:21.41 | Phated | hcy: Give Windows the first one. |
| 11:21.41 | RetardedSmurf | Linux sealab 2.6.7-1-386, alsa modules loaded, oss modules not loaded, aplay hangs. asound/pcm ands cards both have output |
| 11:21.46 | mosty | for some reason X has moved from tty7 to tty4 (whilst X was running). anyone know which package to look in the bts to find out about this? |
| 11:21.51 | RetardedSmurf | aplay hangs and does not play wav |
| 11:21.58 | deucalion | caphuso: yes, but mount -oremount,ro makes it possible as well afaik |
| 11:22.02 | Phated | GreenAsJade: Er, apt-get install ssh. :| |
| 11:22.07 | caphuso | deucalion: no |
| 11:22.12 | GreenAsJade | it says " |
| 11:22.18 | caphuso | deucalion: a complete umount is necessary |
| 11:22.21 | deucalion | hcy: it will be easier to have the fat32 partition first i guess |
| 11:22.30 | GreenAsJade | "ssh is already the latetst version" |
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| 11:22.36 | scarynetworkguy | GreenAsJade: good |
| 11:22.41 | Phated | GreenAsJade: OK, so what are you making noises about? |
| 11:22.50 | caphuso | (yes, that means rebooting if you want to change / and single user mode for things like /usr and /var) |
| 11:22.57 | GreenAsJade | Um, when I try to ssh to the host I get "connectino refused" |
| 11:22.58 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: The Mission UK? |
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| 11:23.02 | deucalion | caphuso: really? worked for me without a complete umount, but maybe I'm not remembering everything quite correctly which might be possible as well |
| 11:23.11 | mosty | greenasjade, is the sshd running on that machine? |
| 11:23.14 | caphuso | deucalion: how did you know that it worked? |
| 11:23.21 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: The triangle trade is no more.... |
| 11:23.21 | hcy | deucalion: can i format fat32 in cfdisk, then? or should i boot into winXP and do it with partition magic? |
| 11:23.23 | Phated | GreenAsJade: So? That doesn't mean -your- ssh isn't working. |
| 11:23.29 | GreenAsJade | cant see it running |
| 11:23.32 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: heh |
| 11:23.35 | Phated | hcy: You want to reformat fat32? |
| 11:23.42 | deucalion | caphuso: no journal was on the fs anymore and it showed ext2 |
| 11:23.42 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Never heard of them. |
| 11:23.46 | Phated | GreenAsJade: You should use ports, really. |
| 11:23.47 | caphuso | deucalion: 'it'? |
| 11:23.47 | mosty | hcy: cfdisk is just for partitioning. use mkfs.vfat to format it as fat32 |
| 11:23.48 | hcy | Phated: no, the disk is blank |
| 11:23.59 | Phated | hcy: Well, then, yes, you can use cfdisk. |
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| 11:24.12 | Phated | Oh, wait... go with what mosty said. |
| 11:24.13 | GreenAsJade | Phated: the host and client are both mine. |
| 11:24.19 | deucalion | hcy: partition magic does everything in a breeze i guess, but if you want to do it with cfdisk go ahead. partition magic will be easier though |
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| 11:24.29 | GreenAsJade | I'm assuming I'm getting connection refused 'cuase I haven't got the host set up right |
| 11:24.35 | hcy | ok |
| 11:24.43 | deucalion | caphuso: the partition i "converted" from ext3 to ext2 |
| 11:24.49 | scarynetworkguy | GreenAsJade: is the sshd running? |
| 11:24.55 | hcy | i'm gonna reboot now, then, thanks y'all for all your help |
| 11:24.59 | caphuso | deucalion: oh, the partition just came and told you "hey, i'm ext2 now"? |
| 11:25.02 | GreenAsJade | can't see it. how do I get it to run (automatically) |
| 11:25.04 | deucalion | caphuso: but that was just /var and /usr, so you may be right |
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| 11:25.18 | caphuso | deucalion: aside from the fact that you didn't change the partition type at all... |
| 11:25.21 | deucalion | caphuso: no, i remounted it as ext2 and the mount showed it |
| 11:25.30 | GreenAsJade | (aside from editing manually rc.whatever) |
| 11:25.32 | Phated | GreenAsJade: When you installed, I presume there was something that asked if you wanted sshd to run. Is it running? |
| 11:25.34 | caphuso | deucalion: you can't believe mount |
| 11:25.39 | deucalion | caphuso: after removing the journal |
| 11:25.51 | GreenAsJade | maybe I should uninstall and install again and see if I get that question! |
| 11:26.01 | deucalion | caphuso: mmmh, so you are right then ... if mount isn't really as trustworthy as i thought |
| 11:26.02 | mosty | greenasjade: just do dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
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| 11:26.05 | scarynetworkguy | GreenAsJade: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
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| 11:26.12 | GreenAsJade | snao |
| 11:26.14 | mon | hi, i keep getting "init_special_inode: bogus imode (177777)" in dmesg + some EXT3 related errors. could this be because i keep too many files in 1 place (too many for ext)? google wasnt much of help |
| 11:26.14 | GreenAsJade | snap |
| 11:26.19 | caphuso | deucalion: it will gladly change /etc/mtab to say ext2 instead of ext3, if you force it to, but that doesn't mean shit. you need to look in /proc/mounts for what the kernel thinks it is |
| 11:26.28 | Phated | GreenAsJade: What they said, and when you get... "Do you want to run the sshd server?" say yes. |
| 11:26.33 | deucalion | caphuso: good to know that though ... thx |
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| 11:26.57 | caphuso | mon: paste one of those errors in #flood |
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| 11:28.01 | GreenAsJade | this is why I like debian! |
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| 11:28.30 | caphuso | mon: your filesystem got damaged. fsck it and hope for the best, then check if your hard disks are still good (use smartctl, if possible) |
| 11:28.31 | mon | caphuso: i'm using the machine to sync gentoo's portage. worked fine till today it seems |
| 11:28.38 | scarynetworkguy | it is the default FFS |
| 11:28.51 | GreenAsJade | I didn't manually install ssh |
| 11:28.59 | Phated | GreenAsJade: And how did you do so? |
| 11:29.04 | mon | caphuso: it can get damaged even if running for 100 days straight? |
| 11:29.16 | GreenAsJade | So - dpkg told me that X11 forwarding is off by default, but I can see X11Forwarding yes in sshd_config. |
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| 11:29.26 | GreenAsJade | is there something else I need to do to enable it as well? |
| 11:29.39 | caphuso | mon: it can get damaged after running any time straight |
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| 11:30.48 | scarynetworkguy | mark the time |
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| 11:31.02 | mon | caphuso: 100k files in a dir on lvm doesn't have anything to do with it? |
| 11:31.23 | caphuso | mon: it'll be quite slow, but shouldn't cause real problems |
| 11:32.01 | mon | caphuso: omg you're right. i get the infamous hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 11:32.23 | mon | seems the piece of crap really is dying. thanks for help |
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| 11:33.33 | scarynetworkguy | link http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/als00/2000papers/papers/full_papers/orr/orr_html/index.html |
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| 11:33.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hm? |
| 11:33.52 | scarynetworkguy | tldp let me down but still 3 minutes ain't half bad |
| 11:33.56 | Phated | Heh. |
| 11:34.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: How to use ssh to forward X |
| 11:34.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oo. |
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| 11:35.32 | fdomb | can somone give me a hint what programm i can use for audio radio streaming? |
| 11:35.54 | Phated | icecast? |
| 11:36.02 | Phated | Or something. |
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| 11:37.21 | scarynetworkguy | gnump3d |
| 11:37.33 | scarynetworkguy | icecast is also one |
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| 11:39.55 | peterS | amorphix: on the edge? bah. you haven't lived until you've struggled for two weeks to sort out a mess from unmasking and emerging one too many experimental things in portage |
| 11:40.06 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 11:40.14 | peterS | hmmm, that's borderline talking like a pirate |
| 11:40.32 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:40.34 | peterS | it's at least talking like a gentoo lamer, which is at most two or three steps removed from a warez d00d |
| 11:41.00 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: heh |
| 11:41.55 | pw | the next logical step in the gentoo process is to develop a tool that can compile and distribute code as the developer is writing it. |
| 11:42.12 | pw | Line by line. |
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| 11:43.22 | Karhuton | Mayby they should switch to pure perl applications. That way the people can run the code as the developer is writing it! |
| 11:43.23 | helix | <peterS> pw: we need a gcc flag that ships the code off to some human who is an expert in x86 assembly language, to tune it by hand and send it back |
| 11:44.14 | scarynetworkguy | Karhuton: no they like to compile |
| 11:44.40 | cartman | scarynetworkguy: perl -c ;) |
| 11:44.41 | helix | scarynetworkguy: you're not a perl programmer, are you? |
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| 11:44.56 | scarynetworkguy | helix: no I'm not. Educate me please |
| 11:44.57 | sussudio | perl programmer? isn't that an oxymoron? |
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| 11:45.28 | cartman | scarynetworkguy: perl can be compiled directly even can be converted to c and then compiled |
| 11:45.35 | gordonjcp | scarynetworkguy: maybe they can compile their compiler, and then use their shiney new optimised compiler to compile an even more optimised version of the compiler, and so on... |
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| 11:46.03 | peterS | gordonjcp: that's about right, for people who don't understand the concept of "diminishing returns" |
| 11:46.29 | scarynetworkguy | cartman: cool I did not know that |
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| 11:47.00 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: it's not a very useful facility, really. compiled perl isn't usually any faster than the source script |
| 11:47.17 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: basically you lug around a copy of the perl interpreter and your code in it, for no real gain |
| 11:47.24 | GreenAsJade | whoa - I seem to be forwarding X over ssh. Thanks all! You can sleep easy knowing that you averted someone doing xhost + :-) |
| 11:47.25 | cartman | peterS: even perl->c can decrease performance |
| 11:47.32 | peterS | cartman: indeed. |
| 11:48.32 | mosty | greenasjade: also, try ssh -X -C |
| 11:48.32 | GreenAsJade | OK ... |
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| 11:48.34 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: interesting |
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| 11:49.02 | scarynetworkguy | GreenAsJade: good |
| 11:49.19 | gordonjcp | peterS: anyway, unless you have implemented something purely in hardware, you can always optimise it a bit more... |
| 11:49.49 | scarynetworkguy | gordonjcp: nobody said you couldn't |
| 11:50.02 | GreenAsJade | "An attacker may then be able to perform activities such as keystroke monitoring" .... what's the deal there? |
| 11:50.24 | scarynetworkguy | GreenAsJade: what? |
| 11:50.33 | GreenAsJade | qthat's what man ssh says under -X |
| 11:50.52 | gordonjcp | scarynetworkguy: what I mean is, if it's not done in hardware, it's not fast enough |
| 11:51.11 | peterS | GreenAsJade: if you press a key, and your X packets are being forwarded through ssh, someone in the middle can see that you just sent a short packet to the other end, and may guess that it was a keystroke |
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| 11:51.38 | peterS | GreenAsJade: and, given the patterns of how people type with QWERTY keyboards and English text, it's possible to deduce a lot of the content of what they are typing *just from the timings of the keystrokes* |
| 11:51.55 | peterS | GreenAsJade: fascinating exploit against ssh-like protocols, that |
| 11:52.07 | FieldySnuts | mud slide |
| 11:52.09 | cartman | is that man in the middle attack? |
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| 11:52.15 | peterS | cartman: yes |
| 11:52.24 | peterS | GreenAsJade: you can defeat it in ssh by having the ssh client randomize the timings a little bit when sending individual keystroke packets. you do lose a bit of latency that way |
| 11:52.27 | mosty | cartman, a specific form of it yes |
| 11:52.39 | GreenAsJade | maybe that's why the person said use -C with -X |
| 11:52.43 | peterS | GreenAsJade: but with X tunneling, this is harder, because the ssh client has no real knowledge of the structure of the X protocol |
| 11:52.46 | FieldySnuts | C is simply compression |
| 11:52.48 | GreenAsJade | (which otherwisee wouldn't have made sense) |
| 11:53.02 | GreenAsJade | yeah - so compression ... does that mean keystrokes get messed with? |
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| 11:53.13 | GreenAsJade | Or does each one go in separate packets? |
| 11:53.34 | mackie | hi, has some an idea how I can install openbsd? |
| 11:53.36 | mosty | i suggested -C just because it's a nice side affect of tunneling X over ssh |
| 11:53.41 | helix | mackie: #openbsd ? |
| 11:53.43 | peterS | GreenAsJade: unless you type very very fast, or your network is slow, you are probably sending individual packets for each keystroke |
| 11:53.55 | peterS | cartman: errr, sorry, brainfart. this is *not* a man-in-the-middle attack. |
| 11:54.06 | mackie | helix: thnks I will try it |
| 11:54.07 | peterS | cartman: it's a traffic analysis attack |
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| 11:54.20 | cartman | peterS : ok thanks. scary actually |
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| 11:54.35 | cartman | I would think ssh over X to be totally secure |
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| 11:54.48 | peterS | cartman: yeah. intriguing - it's an avenue of attack that I never would have thought of |
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| 11:55.20 | GreenAsJade | heh! My firefox just crashed, and the netscape error reporter came up! |
| 11:55.23 | cartman | wonder if NX protocol can be used as protection |
| 11:55.26 | Karhuton | That's just theory, or has someone been able to do it? |
| 11:55.30 | cartman | it compesses X packets |
| 11:55.39 | cartman | compress* |
| 11:55.52 | Karhuton | Meaning the traffic analysis attack, based on keystrokes of X tunnel over ssh |
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| 11:56.27 | GreenAsJade | The man page kinda implies that the attacked can see th actual keystrokes if they have permissions to change something on the remote machine |
| 11:56.45 | peterS | cartman: possibly. anything that aggregates packets together for efficiency would also mask the keystroke timings somewhat |
| 11:56.54 | mackie | one more question, is my apt-get utility wrong? |
| 11:56.55 | mackie | root@boxhost:/home/mac7# apt-get install licq |
| 11:56.55 | mackie | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 11:56.55 | mackie | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 11:56.55 | mackie | Package licq is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:56.55 | mackie | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
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| 11:56.59 | peterS | cartman: also, being a really slow typist helps |
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| 11:57.01 | helix | dur |
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| 11:57.11 | nomichan | hi |
| 11:57.12 | cartman | peterS nice deal. Faster performance + better security |
| 11:57.14 | peterS | cartman: if you type slowly, the timings of your keystrokes is not so predictable |
| 11:57.25 | cartman | cool :) |
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| 11:57.38 | Phated | peterS: Get a broken wrist for a bit, it'll be completely erratic. :) |
| 11:57.45 | Karhuton | PeterS, that's just crap. You'd have to have a "profile" on the guy before you can even get minimal chances of success. |
| 11:57.46 | peterS | Phated: that's the idea, yeah |
| 11:57.50 | Phated | peterS: Ahhh. |
| 11:57.51 | cartman | or use dvorak :) |
| 11:57.52 | nomichan | i've installed the debian snort package but it delivers me empty daily-stats. what's wrong? |
| 11:58.01 | nomichan | anyone has an idea? |
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| 11:58.10 | amorphix | Is it possible to run an earlier version of Perl in sid, alongside the latest threaded version in sid? |
| 11:58.16 | mackie | oeps, sorry I did something what is not allowed ... |
| 11:58.33 | peterS | Karhuton: so you say. but it has been demonstrated that someone typing English text over ssh, the text can be reconstructed reasonably accurately |
| 11:58.37 | cahoot | nomichan: noone bothering you? |
| 11:58.37 | basilikos | hello, what package do i need to apt-get mplayer whit gui support? |
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| 11:58.49 | Phated | peterS: That's kind of scary. |
| 11:58.52 | peterS | Phated: quite |
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| 11:59.00 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 11:59.02 | Karhuton | Meaning you'd have to record stuff he types AND know what he is typing. Thus you can make a profile based on how he writes certain letter combinations - then matching for 'em in other text. |
| 11:59.13 | damo | hiya, i'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.8 from the debian testing source but when i "make-kpkg kernel_image i get: |
| 11:59.14 | damo | drivers/built-in.o(.text+0x7d186): In function `splash_getraw': |
| 11:59.14 | damo | : undefined reference to `vesafb_ops' |
| 11:59.28 | macewan | http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/ <- made the changes, updated, but gnome is still being shown as 2.6.1 |
| 11:59.28 | gordonjcp | Karhuton: well, you could do that you know |
| 11:59.29 | damo | can anybody help me please? |
| 11:59.49 | nomichan | cahoot: no, the logfiles actually are a few bytes big. the stats say the logfiles go "from ::: to :::" < something is missing here, I guess |
| 12:00.03 | RetardedSmurf | if you had something else going along with the keystroke packets then they wouldnt be alone and so vunerable |
| 12:00.04 | basilikos | hello, what package do i need to apt-get mplayer whit gui support? somone? |
| 12:00.07 | gordonjcp | Karhuton: during WW2, radio operators used to be able to identify each other from the exact timing of the morse code they sent |
| 12:00.13 | Karhuton | If one can only know the timings between key presses, and no idea of the content, then it's *really really* hard. Almost impossible. |
| 12:00.49 | gordonjcp | so, in theory, you could analyse typing patterns and have a guess at what different pauses mean |
| 12:00.51 | ferret | basilikos: did you try gmplayer? |
| 12:01.03 | basilikos | no |
| 12:01.11 | ferret | Try that, assuming you have gtk+ |
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| 12:02.23 | basilikos | hmz oki |
| 12:02.35 | Karhuton | Gordon, that's just pretty much impossible. Very far fetched. |
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| 12:03.11 | Jubin | ok - apt-get dist-upgrade left my installation totally fucked up |
| 12:03.12 | directhex | tinfoil hats at the ready! |
| 12:03.25 | Jubin | fortunately I can still switch from debian to something better |
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| 12:03.32 | Karhuton | Gordon, though the ww2 morse code thingy is different. |
| 12:03.42 | basilikos | E: Invalid operation gmplayer :( |
| 12:03.47 | directhex | sigh |
| 12:03.57 | Phated | basilikos: apt-get INSTALL gmplayer, perhaps? |
| 12:03.58 | directhex | basilikos, the marillat mplayer packages INCLUDE gmplayer |
| 12:04.00 | ferret | Did you miss something? Like perhaps the word "install"? |
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| 12:04.09 | directhex | unless you explicitly install "mplayer-nogui" |
| 12:04.13 | sorsis | Freedroid is in maintainer reguested page and it allready has .deb on its own page. How about if someone would add that file to packagelist? |
| 12:04.18 | ferret | E: invalid operation INSTALL ;) |
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| 12:04.49 | ferret | QWhy did you tell me that apt! :| |
| 12:04.52 | directhex | basilikos, if you already have mplayer frmo marillat, then just type "gmplayer", it's been installed |
| 12:05.00 | ferret | s/QWhy did/Why didn't/ |
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| 12:05.10 | basilikos | E: Couldn't find package gmplaye |
| 12:05.11 | basilikos | :( |
| 12:05.36 | dondelelcaro | !tell basilikos about mplayer |
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| 12:06.08 | vmiklos | hi |
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| 12:06.24 | GreenAsJade | !tell GreenAsJade about something |
| 12:06.36 | GreenAsJade | heh :-) |
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| 12:07.03 | directhex | oh fucking christ basilikos THERE IS NO GMPLAYER PACKAGE |
| 12:07.06 | andrewtaylor_ | Is there a website I can use to find out which packages provide which files, i need libdb.4-1 |
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| 12:07.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell andrewtaylor_ about search |
| 12:07.27 | directhex | andrewtaylor_, apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libdb.4-1 |
| 12:07.27 | ferret | Maybe apt's gmplayer description could be altered? :) |
| 12:07.35 | vmiklos | how do you say 'failure' in italian? |
| 12:07.41 | sussudio | vmiklos: mussolini |
| 12:07.43 | andrewtaylor_ | thanks directhex |
| 12:07.49 | ferret | Haha. |
| 12:07.54 | directhex | all marillat mplayer packages include gmplayer, except for mplayer-nogui |
| 12:08.10 | directhex | if you can "mplayer", you can "gmplayer" |
| 12:08.14 | vmiklos | sussudio: :D |
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| 12:09.06 | pep | is there jemacs in deb package? |
| 12:09.12 | pep | or kawa? |
| 12:09.14 | sussudio | !tell pep about search |
| 12:09.24 | basilikos | ok so ill just need to d/l libpng source? |
| 12:09.29 | pep | woa 8-) |
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| 12:11.06 | hcy | what was that command i need to do to change ext2 to ext3 again? i made my fat32 partition in partition magic, and now i just ran cfdisk to make the linux partition |
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| 12:11.34 | cartman | hcy: tune2fs |
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| 12:12.00 | cartman | hcy: tune2fs -j /dev/foo |
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| 12:12.11 | hcy | cartman: thanks |
| 12:12.43 | cartman | partition magic cant create ext3 partition yet? |
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| 12:14.04 | Karhuton | Yes |
| 12:14.07 | Karhuton | PM can. |
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| 12:14.41 | tzafrir | When I run apt-cdrom it creates a source for "unstable contrib main" . Any way to convince it I'm using testing? |
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| 12:14.49 | tzafrir | (which I am) |
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| 12:14.52 | hcy | cartman: i got an error: "Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda2 <cr> Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock |
| 12:15.30 | cartman | hcy: if you dont have any valueable data there try mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda2 |
| 12:15.36 | cartman | fs looks corrupted |
| 12:16.01 | hcy | cartman: the disk is brand-new and therefore blank anyway... i hope it's not a hardware problem |
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| 12:16.12 | fflush | hcy: do you have any data on this parttion? |
| 12:16.20 | cartman | hcy: try mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda2 |
| 12:16.28 | hcy | ok, trying |
| 12:17.18 | amorphix | whats the latest kernel being supplied in sid? |
| 12:17.24 | fx87 | hello morons |
| 12:17.25 | directhex | 2.6.8 |
| 12:17.34 | amorphix | phew, im running 2.4.18 |
| 12:17.42 | directhex | !troll fx87 |
| 12:17.50 | amorphix | fx87 hello |
| 12:17.51 | directhex | amorphix, that would be the latest in woody |
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| 12:18.05 | amorphix | directhex: i just migrated to sid :) |
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| 12:18.31 | amorphix | is it worth upgrading the kernel or can I leave it? |
| 12:18.44 | amorphix | this system is only to be used for web server and related apps |
| 12:18.46 | morner | amorphix: what are you on atm? |
| 12:18.50 | morner | 2.4.26? |
| 12:18.53 | Jubin | hours for nothing: debian upgrade to unstable (just in order to run fucking eclipse) failed - I can reinstall the whole system now - 1 day for nothing. How can it be that debian is behind the state-of-the-art of other distributions ?! |
| 12:19.00 | directhex | amorphix, you COULD leave it, but i'd get 2.4.27 at the very least |
| 12:19.00 | morner | 2.4.26 is probably good enough |
| 12:19.01 | amorphix | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 12:19.08 | morner | 2.6.x have nasty problems :( |
| 12:19.12 | amorphix | oh |
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| 12:19.28 | takatumi | morner: like what? |
| 12:19.29 | pep | Jubin: unstable is, well, unstable :> |
| 12:19.30 | morner | well, for a server they're not so serious |
| 12:19.30 | directhex | 2.6 is fine for me |
| 12:19.42 | takatumi | 2.6 works fine here too |
| 12:19.46 | morner | but my CD burner won't work with 2.6.8 >_< |
| 12:19.59 | hcy | cartman: ok, that's done - it seems to have worked ok |
| 12:20.02 | morner | and it's not exactly built for stability |
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| 12:20.07 | hcy | cartman: thanks |
| 12:20.11 | morner | i'd go with 2.4.x for a server, tbh |
| 12:20.17 | FPlus | where to get the 37MB netinstall-iso from? |
| 12:20.18 | directhex | morbius, run the cd burner app as root |
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| 12:20.27 | amorphix | Jubin: thats some bad luck, I'm doing an upgrade now also to unstable just to Apache 2 and PHP4, hope i dont meet a similiar fate |
| 12:20.38 | cartman | hcy: nice |
| 12:20.47 | mosty | morner: cd burning was broken in 2.6.8 and 2.6.8.1 |
| 12:20.50 | directhex | FPlus, try http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc1/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 12:20.54 | amorphix | I will stick with 2.4 then, i dont think the upgrade is necessary |
| 12:21.06 | directhex | amorphix, upgrade to a more recent 2.4 |
| 12:21.12 | amorphix | damn |
| 12:21.14 | amorphix | ok |
| 12:21.15 | FPlus | directhex, what's the difference between rc1 and rc2 ? |
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| 12:21.25 | takatumi | rc2 already? |
| 12:21.28 | morner | mosty: i have a combo drive.. it seems to be a fairly common problem even with late 2.6's, that those don't work |
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| 12:21.56 | directhex | FPlus, rc1 exists |
| 12:22.04 | cartman | morner: 2.6.8+ cd/dvd burning doesnt seem to work for non root users |
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| 12:22.11 | FPlus | huh? |
| 12:22.14 | cartman | dont know if its fixed yet |
| 12:22.15 | cartman | or even |
| 12:22.15 | cartman | if it will be fixed |
| 12:22.15 | andrewtaylor_ | if apt-get doesn't have a package I want, where's the best place to download it manually? |
| 12:22.25 | cartman | andrewtaylor_: check www.apt-get.org |
| 12:22.28 | amorphix | sheesh, my new threaded Perl in sid wont be supported by Interchange! it had to happen. I should be able to run an older Perl for Interchange alongside the new threaded version? |
| 12:22.34 | morner | cartman: oh, i didn't know that'd work.. |
| 12:22.35 | morner | but |
| 12:22.43 | sorsis | 2.6.x with gdm => JAM! |
| 12:23.15 | andrewtaylor_ | cartman thanks |
| 12:23.15 | morner | i think i'll just go back to 2.4.2x, when i can be bothered |
| 12:23.15 | directhex | sorsis, what flavour jam? |
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| 12:23.15 | cartman | morner: 2.6.8 supposed to work |
| 12:23.16 | initech | sorsis: i use 2.6.8 + gpm, no problems ... |
| 12:23.16 | initech | err gdm and kdm I mean |
| 12:23.35 | sorsis | directhex: Mouse keyb and graphs tilt. MP3 radio works fine at background. |
| 12:23.58 | basilikos | omg i cant figure out what gtk i must install for mplayer can some one explain to me how i can search that? now i have this huge list.. |
| 12:23.59 | FPlus | what's the current debian version? |
| 12:23.59 | directhex | sorsis, user error. it's fine for me |
| 12:24.00 | sorsis | initech: Could it be because Befofe I used dri with support for old X? |
| 12:24.15 | morner | cartman: of course with debian, all i need to do to swap kernels is install a different kernel .deb :) |
| 12:24.17 | directhex | basilikos, how exactly did you install mplayer? |
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| 12:24.45 | basilikos | ./configure --enable gnui or sth like that did you mean that? |
| 12:24.53 | directhex | christ almighty |
| 12:24.55 | morner | er.. |
| 12:24.59 | cartman | morner: I mean if you got 2.6.8 kernel you are supposed to me able to burn as a normal users provided you got right permissions on cdrecorder |
| 12:25.04 | directhex | !tell basilikos about marillaty |
| 12:25.05 | cartman | or a suid cdrecord |
| 12:25.05 | sorsis | initech: I mean before... I have voodoo 3 chip. |
| 12:25.08 | directhex | !tell basilikos about marillat |
| 12:25.12 | initech | sorsis: so do I - easy enough to tell though, just unload the dri and try X again |
| 12:25.15 | morner | what are the odds that my radeon 9800 xt will work under linux? |
| 12:25.17 | amorphix | How does one know which kernel version is the best upgrade? Would one normally choose the latest version for current dist? |
| 12:25.23 | morner | (distro=debian latest) |
| 12:25.40 | FPlus | what's the current debian version? |
| 12:25.41 | sorsis | morner: good. |
| 12:25.41 | directhex | basilikos, you could spend hours fucking about trying to compile a working mplayer, or use an easy functional precompiled package |
| 12:25.42 | initech | morner: as a 3d card? I don't think .... I could never get ATI's drivers to work in debian |
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| 12:25.57 | directhex | morner, 2d or 3d? |
| 12:26.06 | cartman | morner: good guys buy NVidia ;) |
| 12:26.11 | directhex | morner, sarge & sid should do 2d fine |
| 12:26.15 | morner | amorphix: the most recent one, basically.. if you want rock-solid stability, the latest 2.2.x would be best |
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| 12:26.27 | morner | amorphix: 2.4.x is also very stable |
| 12:26.28 | amorphix | morner cool thanks |
| 12:26.30 | basilikos | ok |
| 12:26.34 | directhex | morner, ati's 3d in linux is laughable though |
| 12:26.37 | morner | 2.6.x has lots of interesting new features |
| 12:26.41 | morner | but isn't as stable |
| 12:26.51 | morner | :( |
| 12:26.56 | directhex | morner, http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/benchmark.png for example |
| 12:26.57 | amorphix | I'm going to upgrade to 2.4.27 |
| 12:26.58 | morner | :( @ no 3d |
| 12:27.04 | amorphix | thats the latest atm for sid |
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| 12:27.26 | RetardedSmurf | anyone have any ideas for my alsa problem?? the models are loaded and when i give aplay a wav it just hangs w/ no sound |
| 12:27.31 | RetardedSmurf | modules* |
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| 12:27.39 | amorphix | well the latest at 2.4.x |
| 12:27.52 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: strace it |
| 12:28.16 | amorphix | why the big leap to from there to 2.6.x |
| 12:28.16 | amorphix | what happened to 2.5 |
| 12:28.16 | directhex | morner, ati laugh at linux users for being silly enough to buy their product. they're bad people. |
| 12:28.16 | morner | looks like i'll be dual-booting for any gaming then... |
| 12:28.16 | directhex | amorphix, odd numbers are development trees |
| 12:28.18 | amorphix | oh i see |
| 12:28.27 | Jubin | i think i will go for mandrake... |
| 12:28.28 | Jubin | bye people |
| 12:28.29 | initech | directhex: well at least the older ATI's work well with the DRI |
| 12:28.31 | morner | amorphix: no odd numbers are released as producution kerneles |
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| 12:28.34 | cartman | amorphix: err 2.5 went up to 2.5.75 if I remember right |
| 12:28.42 | RetardedSmurf | ok strace shows it hanging at open("/dev/snd/pcmC0D0p", O_RDWR |
| 12:28.51 | morner | :O:O:O |
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| 12:28.58 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: someone is using your sound device |
| 12:29.00 | morner | @ Jubin |
| 12:29.01 | directhex | initech, define "work well". ati's cards "work well" if you can get the drivers installed, if "work well" mjeans "66% slower than the equivalent nvidia" |
| 12:29.07 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: artsd , esd running ? |
| 12:29.33 | bizkit | hi, i have a S3 Trio3D videocard and xserver-xfree86 version 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4.. which doesn't seem to support this chipset anymore? which version should i use to have support for s3 trio 3d? and where to get it? |
| 12:29.34 | RetardedSmurf | esd is |
| 12:29.40 | initech | directhex: works well = "able to play whatever 3 year old games are available for linux and GL screensavers" |
| 12:29.47 | initech | :) |
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| 12:29.54 | RetardedSmurf | should i kill him |
| 12:30.03 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: well to use aplay yes |
| 12:30.08 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: or setup dmixc |
| 12:30.09 | FPlus | what's the difference between rc1 and rc2 ? |
| 12:30.09 | cartman | dmix* |
| 12:30.11 | RetardedSmurf | i just want sound :( |
| 12:30.14 | morner | bah |
| 12:30.18 | directhex | FPlus, rc1 exists, rc2 doesn't |
| 12:30.18 | RetardedSmurf | ill kill who ever i ahve to |
| 12:30.36 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: if you use dmix you can get esd run and aplay will still work |
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| 12:30.50 | amorphix | anyone got any old SIMM memory they wanna sell ;p |
| 12:30.53 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: http://opensrc.org/alsa/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 12:30.55 | basilikos | ok now i got this ftp whit mplayers how does it work how higher the version number the more uptodate? |
| 12:31.01 | initech | amorphix: try ebay |
| 12:31.07 | morner | ffs @ a ti4200 totally whips the 9800xt :| |
| 12:31.09 | RetardedSmurf | which sound daemon would be better? |
| 12:31.14 | andrewtaylor_ | What is glibc? |
| 12:31.22 | directhex | basilikos, it works thus: "apt-get install mplayer" |
| 12:31.24 | RetardedSmurf | i dont need to run aplay, just was using it to test alsa bc i didnt realize esd was running |
| 12:31.28 | andrewtaylor_ | Google seems to suggest it's a redhat thing |
| 12:31.29 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: I use none |
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| 12:31.38 | takatumi | FPlus: where did see this rc2? |
| 12:31.41 | RetardedSmurf | i use non on my 2 bsd boxes |
| 12:31.43 | RetardedSmurf | none* |
| 12:31.44 | cartman | RetardedSmurf: because with dmix you dont need a sound daemon |
| 12:31.49 | basilikos | directhex: id did that but then i says it needs gtk :x |
| 12:31.54 | directhex | morner, yep, aren't ati great. was a disappointment playing with a 300 quid card & having it get trounced by the old card i had for years |
| 12:31.55 | cartman | you can do userspace mixing with dmix |
| 12:31.56 | RetardedSmurf | ok ill read that page then |
| 12:32.00 | crumple | morner: i've had reasonable success with ati's drivers (w/ radeon 9600). not as good as under windows, but works pretty well. ran into problems with libs left over from nvidia driver install, so make sure you clean up first if you've had other cards. |
| 12:32.13 | directhex | basilikos, "says" it? |
| 12:32.13 | RetardedSmurf | and free myself from the tyranny of sound daemons |
| 12:32.17 | cartman | yeah :) |
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| 12:32.40 | morner | crumple: http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/benchmark.png sort of speaks for itself thought :'( |
| 12:32.43 | morner | -t |
| 12:32.46 | basilikos | directhex: it gives an error that it needs gtk |
