| 00:00.12 | holycow | all you will haveto do is what they said: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:00.15 | jetscreamer | omg i'm addicted to GUI |
| 00:00.20 | holycow | and a whole new set of packages will be available |
| 00:00.29 | holycow | but you can upgrade now if you want |
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| 00:03.18 | Xenguy | areels: I tend to agree with what holycow just said; if you want to continue running stable, then once sarge is released to stable (soon), then you'll have more packages available to you, including Firefox |
| 00:04.15 | areels | how can i use unstable? |
| 00:04.25 | areels | have to reinstall debian? |
| 00:04.34 | Nurbs | if you have to ask it's probably not for you, I'd say :) |
| 00:04.34 | holycow | just change the 'stable' word to 'unstable' in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 00:04.39 | maher | areels: use stable until you've learnt more |
| 00:04.40 | holycow | then do apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:04.51 | holycow | please backup all your data however, you could hose your system |
| 00:04.59 | guestish | bum bum bum! |
| 00:05.00 | holycow | the only thing guaranteed not to hose a system is stable |
| 00:05.03 | areels | i don't have any data |
| 00:05.12 | holycow | then knock your self out :) |
| 00:05.30 | guestish | areels: you have hardware :) |
| 00:05.32 | areels | but isn't it stupid to wait something new released until it's packaged for debian? |
| 00:05.43 | Nurbs | holycow: guaranteed is nothing :) |
| 00:05.43 | Xenguy | !tell areels about woody->sid |
| 00:05.49 | holycow | Nurbs, hehe *nod* |
| 00:06.05 | holycow | areels, why is it stupid? sounds like you have already made up your mind |
| 00:06.30 | PerfDave | !tell areels about sid upgrade |
| 00:06.30 | areels | i'd like to install anything newly released immediately |
| 00:06.41 | maher | areels: gentoo is for you then |
| 00:06.45 | Xenguy | areels: if you have a reasonable amount of *nix/debian experience, then sid can work out alright - otherwise stable is your friend =) |
| 00:07.02 | holycow | areels, you don't seem to either understand basic system administration philosophy or debian |
| 00:07.05 | PerfDave | areels: No reason why you have to wait for stuff to be packaged for Debian, just compile it youself and stick it in /usr/src/ |
| 00:07.05 | areels | being stable is not natural hehe |
| 00:07.14 | areels | life is unstable we can't change that with debian |
| 00:07.15 | PerfDave | areels: Or better still, package it for Debian yourself and help out with the distribution :) |
| 00:07.17 | holycow | rule #1: software only gets stable over long periods of time, anythin new is buggy |
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| 00:07.30 | holycow | rule #2: that means anything stable is old because of how quickly open source grow2s |
| 00:07.42 | Nurbs | rule #3: every patch is buggy, too :) |
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| 00:08.05 | holycow | rule #4: if you want to live on the edge and fuck your self, or think you have the skills to fix it, you get the latest and greatest |
| 00:08.19 | areels | why we can't download and install something with just clickin on it :)? |
| 00:08.19 | holycow | in debian you have a well thought out development process |
| 00:08.35 | holycow | you have testing that is stable and fairly mature |
| 00:08.41 | holycow | woops stable that is |
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| 00:08.42 | holycow | ehe |
| 00:08.54 | holycow | testing that is more buggy but being readied for going stable |
| 00:08.57 | jetscreamer | caling it unstable is more like 'state of flux' than 'state of fuxor' |
| 00:09.05 | holycow | unstable is just that, a staging ground for the latest and greatest |
| 00:09.10 | holycow | your choice |
| 00:09.20 | jetscreamer | but sometimes it does bork, not as often as they would have you think though |
| 00:09.36 | holycow | the reason you can't click and run is because, if you ask that question, your clearly not competent enough to do so otherwise you would know the answer |
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| 00:09.43 | holycow | what jetscreamer said |
| 00:09.44 | jetscreamer | scare off the n00bs |
| 00:09.46 | Xenguy | jetscreamer: that is my experience also |
| 00:09.51 | areels | and i can't understand why there are thousands of dists in the planet |
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| 00:09.58 | holycow | if you like click and run, go use windows, and then reinstall every few months |
| 00:09.59 | Nurbs | experimental is borked often. especially gnome. but then gnome is always borked I guess :) |
| 00:10.06 | holycow | nurbs heh |
| 00:10.09 | jetscreamer | areels how many different types of candy are there |
| 00:10.13 | Xenguy | but beware, it is risky, bordering on heresy, to voice such opinions =) |
| 00:10.18 | holycow | areels, how old are you? |
| 00:10.23 | areels | 20 |
| 00:10.24 | maher | areels: becuase anyone can make their own distro - same reason there are thoasands of text editors |
| 00:10.26 | holycow | heh |
| 00:10.30 | holycow | first time trying linux? |
| 00:10.34 | areels | no |
| 00:10.47 | holycow | how can you possible ask such a question then? |
| 00:10.48 | areels | i'm still waiting for a linux like windows xp |
| 00:10.53 | PerfDave | areels: You want to go and read "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric Raymond, it may explain some of these issues to you. |
| 00:10.57 | holycow | areels, never gonna happen |
| 00:10.59 | holycow | go back to xp |
| 00:11.09 | areels | it will be happen |
| 00:11.10 | PerfDave | Good god, why would you want Linux to be like Windows XP? I like a secure, stable operating system ;) |
| 00:11.21 | holycow | your neither interested in technology nor willing to learn |
| 00:11.25 | areels | yeah |
| 00:11.31 | areels | i wanna use like a sheep |
| 00:11.34 | RobertP | XP is pretty stable. |
| 00:11.37 | maher | areels: lindows aims to be like xp |
| 00:11.43 | Nurbs | PerfDave: I have to admit, that I do find very components quite unstable :) |
| 00:11.47 | areels | yes but it's not like that yet |
| 00:11.53 | Nurbs | PerfDave: on Linux systems that is |
| 00:12.05 | holycow | areels, it never will be |
| 00:12.09 | holycow | give up your self delusion |
| 00:12.09 | nvz | holycow: personally like I said I think they do a good job and deceiving people for money, and riding out a dead business. But I couldnt do it, my concious tells me there is a way to accomplish all that they have and tell the truth.. cause chances are if they dont understand that BS MS feeds them, they wont understand the truth either ;) |
| 00:12.11 | areels | it will be |
| 00:12.11 | PerfDave | Nurbs: "very" components? |
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| 00:12.20 | Nurbs | PerfDave: very many. |
| 00:12.22 | PerfDave | areels: What particular aspect of Windows XP do you think Linux should emulate? |
| 00:12.26 | areels | there was no kde but now it's exists |
| 00:12.27 | Nurbs | PerfDave: do NOT take drugs. |
| 00:12.27 | PerfDave | Nurbs: Fair enough. I don't :) |
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| 00:12.28 | holycow | nvz, heh, just look at areels |
| 00:12.35 | holycow | right there you can see brainwashing at work |
| 00:12.44 | areels | PerfDave: installing programs must be like windows |
| 00:12.50 | areels | download and run that's all |
| 00:12.55 | holycow | areels, never going to happen |
| 00:12.57 | holycow | deal with it |
| 00:13.04 | areels | will happen |
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| 00:13.11 | holycow | lol |
| 00:13.15 | jetscreamer | areels, you have to click too many times to install a proggy in windows |
| 00:13.16 | holycow | why do you think it will be like that? |
| 00:13.19 | PerfDave | areels: Why must it be like that? That only happens because Windows has a crippled development system. |
| 00:13.21 | maher | areels: do understand the user/root distinction? |
| 00:13.30 | Xenguy | gee, I thought drugs were for breaking down brainwashing ... :P |
| 00:13.32 | nvz | Well I guess I am getting back to work.. if not I will be back sooner than later ;) |
| 00:13.33 | thomas_adam | Troll, troll, troll so more..... |
| 00:13.34 | Zoohouse | Im having trouble installing debian beta4 on my machine |
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| 00:13.36 | Zoohouse | it just dies |
| 00:13.36 | jetscreamer | it's much easier to install under linux |
| 00:13.38 | areels | because technology must make easier life |
| 00:13.40 | areels | not hard |
| 00:13.40 | holycow | Xenguy, hehe :) |
| 00:13.51 | PerfDave | areels: Besides, I'd rather just use a nice GUI installer for apt, and have a simple easy-to-use system whcih is consistent across applications. |
| 00:13.56 | PerfDave | OK, areels is just trolling now ;) |
| 00:14.01 | areels | and everything will be more easier |
| 00:14.05 | areels | must be.. |
| 00:14.18 | novice | how can i configure my dhcpd.conf to use only my eth1 for my intranet? |
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| 00:14.53 | thomas_adam | areels: Here's an answer to use: If you want Xp, go back to windows. If you want a look and feel similar to XP, I believe xwpe provides it. Anything else and you need to call a psychiatrist out. |
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| 00:15.02 | sm | hi all.. just how do I upgrade to a custom-built 2.6 kernel, again ? |
| 00:15.07 | PerfDave | novice: Edit /etc/init.d/dhcp[d] |
| 00:15.09 | sm | why no kernel-source-2.6 package ? |
| 00:15.11 | holycow | areels, never going to happen, your both, dreaming, and completely ignorant of the situation |
| 00:15.12 | Zoohouse | i have AMD Athlon64 with 2 SATA drives. I put in the Debian beta4 cd and after i hit "enter" to boot it just dies |
| 00:15.12 | Supaplex | very carefully |
| 00:15.23 | thomas_adam | !tell sm -about search |
| 00:15.25 | holycow | please take some time and research, although i felt same as you when i first started |
| 00:15.26 | PerfDave | sm: Read the Installation Manual, chapter 9. 2.6 under Woody is tricky. |
| 00:15.27 | holycow | but i was wrong |
| 00:15.27 | areels | thomas_adam: i want easy to use function of windows and too many sources of linux |
| 00:15.34 | yhg | sm, There are many different 2.6 kernel sources. |
| 00:15.38 | thomas_adam | areels: You need to call a doctor out. |
| 00:15.40 | maher | Zoohouse: does d-i support your sata chipset? |
| 00:15.48 | Zoohouse | d-i? |
| 00:15.52 | pseudofred | tge world just lost.. another hulkamaniac |
| 00:15.54 | sm | I see, thank you |
| 00:15.58 | maher | Zoohouse: the beta installer |
| 00:15.59 | xam | novice: I'm not sure you can in the config file. Usually dhcpd automatically detects what IP address pool you serve, and decides the correct network interface itself |
| 00:16.02 | holycow | thomas_adam, hehehe excellent answer :) |
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| 00:16.11 | areels | anyway i think 5 years later there will be 20 main linux dist and 10 of them will be like windows |
| 00:16.25 | holycow | areels, not a single one will be like windows |
| 00:16.26 | Zoohouse | maher, i dont know if it supports the sata chipset... |
| 00:16.33 | PerfDave | areels: You don't know what you're talking about :) |
| 00:16.40 | holycow | because windows wont be windows by that time |
| 00:16.44 | thomas_adam | areels: Yes, and SCO really will be smoking crack. |
| 00:16.46 | holycow | by that time windows will be like unix |
| 00:16.53 | areels | yes |
| 00:16.53 | PerfDave | xam: No, dhcpd binds to all interfaces and complains if it doesn't have a pool to serve for an interface. |
| 00:16.57 | Xenguy | areels: define "like windows" -- I think you want a Mac honestly |
| 00:17.02 | maher | Zoohouse: well if your sata chipset isn't supprted it isn't going to work |
| 00:17.10 | nvz | I guess thats sooner and not later |
| 00:17.12 | areels | like windows = easy to use |
| 00:17.17 | pseudofred | you can customize a few window managers so that they look damn close to windows |
| 00:17.20 | areels | no typing something on console |
| 00:17.23 | areels | clicks only |
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| 00:17.29 | holycow | areels, your an idiot |
| 00:17.29 | Zoohouse | maher, i see... Mandrake also failed to work in a similar way |
| 00:17.29 | holycow | :) |
| 00:17.29 | yhg | areels, The ease of clicking to install software is what allows viruses to be so effective against windows. |
| 00:17.30 | thomas_adam | areels: heh. |
| 00:17.32 | holycow | i mean that |
| 00:17.36 | nvz | its hard to tell sometimes |
| 00:17.46 | pseudofred | functionality wise, as well.. there are front-ends to everything |
| 00:17.46 | maher | Zoohouse: do you know what sata chipset you have |
| 00:17.48 | Xenguy | areels: you want to kill the command-line?? *sigh* |
| 00:17.48 | xam | PerfDave: the effect is exactly what I described ;) |
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| 00:17.58 | areels | Xenguy: yeah i hate that line hehe |
| 00:18.00 | yhg | areels, In debian, all you have to do is run a gui for apt and type in your root password when it asks you. |
| 00:18.05 | Zoohouse | mathieu, no, how can i find out? |
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| 00:18.14 | PerfDave | xam: Nope, if you've got multiple interfaces and only want to serve one via dhcp, you need to hack the initscript. |
| 00:18.29 | maher | Zoohouse: did you computer come with a manual or something? |
| 00:18.30 | Zoohouse | maher, how can i find out? |
| 00:18.32 | Supaplex | yhg: that and the assumption that any file based on its extension is +x |
| 00:18.34 | try_catch_this | the main way to get debian is by that downloaw manager thinggy right? |
| 00:18.34 | nvz | areels: you still looking for a package tool? install synaptic already! |
| 00:18.49 | Zoohouse | maher, let me look for the motherboard manual |
| 00:18.58 | thomas_adam | Supaplex: Files are not based on extension - they work on magic. |
| 00:19.05 | Xenguy | areels: then you aren't thinking clearly my friend - the combination of GUI and CLI is the most powerful option of all; with just one of the other, it's like chopping your brain in half, and saying it's better ;-) |
| 00:19.12 | areels | yhg: here is a good example.. if i want to install some download managar i go to download.com check what's new or most popular.. then i download and install that's all in windows |
| 00:19.15 | Xenguy | s/of/or |
| 00:19.24 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: For some, it is.... |
| 00:19.30 | areels | but for linux i have to search released packages then install all of them then try |
| 00:19.32 | jetscreamer | areels, stfu already about windows |
| 00:19.35 | areels | then remove what i didn't like |
| 00:19.38 | maher | areels: i feel you rpain |
| 00:19.38 | jetscreamer | or just run windows |
| 00:19.44 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: But they always throw the wrong half away... |
| 00:19.44 | xam | PerfDave: if you have multiple interfaces, then every interface has its own IP address and cannot serve an address pool that cannot be reached (ie. is not in the same network segment) |
| 00:19.45 | holycow | someone kick areels |
| 00:19.52 | Xenguy | thomas_adam: heh |
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| 00:20.11 | PerfDave | xam: Yes, but you still have to hack the initscript if you don't want to serve one or more of your interfaces. |
| 00:20.11 | nvz | areels: debian is a packaged distro, the packages are grabbed, unpacked and configured all in one easy step |
| 00:20.11 | Spartak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.20 | novice | xam: so how can i configure my intranet using dhcp for it? |
| 00:20.20 | thomas_adam | areels: Do you live under a bridge? Seen any goats lately? |
| 00:20.35 | PerfDave | novice: Edit the initscript, like I said. |
| 00:20.42 | areels | no one understands me? i'm so idiot? |
| 00:20.45 | xam | PerfDave: dhcpd will not serve on interfaces it does not have a appropriate pool range for |
| 00:20.45 | areels | ok then.. |
| 00:20.50 | thomas_adam | areels: Laughable. |
| 00:20.54 | maher | areels: why dont' you just run windows? |
| 00:20.59 | Supaplex | after reading the diff man pages, I'm left to ask, is there a diff option I have considered, or another diff(1) that will allow me better control over html? (some clown decided a 5 line 600k html file would be "cute" - eg, they were lazy when coding the output). |
| 00:21.03 | yhg | areels, sourceforge.net |
| 00:21.03 | nvz | areels: the advantage of having all the software packaged this way over letting the original authors do it, is that it keeps everything in a consistant state |
| 00:21.12 | xam | PerfDave: it will complain (as you described) and will not serve ... |
| 00:21.18 | holycow | areels-idiot, no your just inexperienced |
| 00:21.21 | Supaplex | option I have/* not/ |
| 00:21.25 | novice | PerfDave: didn't see it...sorry... |
| 00:21.31 | holycow | all windows users think that way when they try linux |
| 00:21.31 | novice | PerfDave: let me see. |
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| 00:21.51 | Zoohouse | maher, i have the manual in my hand, but cant find the chipset... |
| 00:21.55 | holycow | the worst thing about windows converts is they fail to be humble and admit they are inexperienced |
| 00:21.58 | areels-idiot | well holycow i'm a good example for people who doesnt use linux and afraid |
| 00:22.00 | nvz | holycow: misinformed, overcharged, raped.. I could go on and on |
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| 00:22.14 | holycow | areels-idiot, i was exactly the same when i started |
| 00:22.25 | holycow | infact i used suse for a while because i thought, great, just like windows |
| 00:22.27 | nvz | holycow: takes more than lack of experience to be a zombie |
| 00:22.42 | holycow | then i gained more skill and i look back and go, jesus f christ, i knew nothing |
| 00:22.44 | maher | Zoohouse: can you boot to anything on this machine? |
| 00:22.44 | holycow | litterally nothing |
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| 00:22.49 | xam | novice: well, if eth0 has 192.168.0.254 and eth1 with a different IP (on a different subnet), and you want to set up a dhcpd server for 192.168.0.x, then just specify the proper pool range in dhcpd.conf ... dhcpd should work properly |
| 00:22.56 | holycow | so please stop telling all the experienced folks here you have a clue okay? |
| 00:22.57 | skywolf | i've have a recurrent problem with debian's (also redhat's) package management system. |
| 00:23.02 | Zoohouse | maher, fedoracore2 |
| 00:23.08 | nvz | someone with no experience will learn faster than someone who has been using windows |
| 00:23.09 | holycow | all of us know windows inside and out, and most of use are admins and qualified |
| 00:23.12 | Zoohouse | maher, im running it as we speek |
| 00:23.21 | Xenguy | areels: If my wife can adapt to gnu/linux (I forced her too :-), then anyone can - she was diehard wind0ze (why? cos she knew nothing else, that's all - people seem to like what they know best -- go figure) |
| 00:23.23 | holycow | i recommend asking questions over making statements based on your very limited knowledge |
| 00:23.23 | nvz | I know I've deployed both in such situations |
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| 00:23.32 | maher | Zoohouse: ok - do lspci and see what it says about the chipset - what kernel are you running |
| 00:23.33 | skywolf | when i upgrade software and build it from a tarball, i don't know how to tell that to the pkg manager |
| 00:23.34 | holycow | be a student until you get promoted to a teacher, mk? |
| 00:23.37 | areels | holycow: that's what i think. time is precious. |
| 00:23.50 | areels | and i wanna learn faster |
| 00:23.54 | skywolf | this leads to version conflicts, etc. |
| 00:24.17 | areels | and i request ability to learn linux faster |
| 00:24.17 | yhg | skywolf, You can't. It's not a package if you build it yourself. |
| 00:24.17 | holycow | good then stop saying stupid things we already know where your coming from |
| 00:24.17 | areels | i wanna learn less do more |
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| 00:24.21 | Zoohouse | maher, [root@localhost joel]# lspci |
| 00:24.21 | Zoohouse | bash: lspci: command not found |
| 00:24.25 | holycow | we see it all the time with windows users coming in here, its the exact same statements, they know everything |
| 00:24.28 | cafuego | Time is precious? Weren't you trying to compile mozilla? |
| 00:24.30 | yhg | skywolf, What you need to do is in the process of building it make it into a package. |
| 00:24.33 | maher | skywolf: there is no particularly easy way to get around that - you could use equivs |
| 00:24.34 | holycow | now ... ask questions, what do you want to know? |
| 00:24.42 | holycow | remember, no opinions, you are a student |
| 00:25.32 | novice | PerfDave: dhcpd failed to start" |
| 00:25.32 | maher | Zoohouse: install it or cat /proc/pci |
| 00:25.32 | skywolf | that's discouraging, but thanks for the comments |
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| 00:25.32 | areels | now i want to install firefox. how can i install it ? |
| 00:25.32 | cafuego | Zoohouse: it's in the 'pciutils' package. |
| 00:25.32 | xam | Zoohouse: apt-get install pciutils |
| 00:25.32 | yhg | skywolf, It's not really that hard. |
| 00:25.32 | holycow | <nvz> holycow: takes more than lack of experience to be a zombie <-- hehe :) acctually theres a lot of truth to that |
| 00:25.32 | cafuego | areels: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 00:25.33 | holycow | areels we gave you the answers: 1. wait |
| 00:25.40 | areels | holycow: forgot them yes you gave me |
| 00:25.45 | Zoohouse | xam: [root@localhost joel]# apt-get install pciutils |
| 00:25.46 | Zoohouse | bash: apt-get: command not found |
| 00:25.49 | skywolf | i read somewhere there's a way to manually alter the database that dpkg uses |
| 00:25.52 | holycow | 2. change 'stable' to 'unstable' in your /etc/apt/sources.list file and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:25.53 | skywolf | to let it know |
| 00:25.57 | cafuego | Zoohouse: tip: this is #debian. |
| 00:26.00 | PerfDave | novice: What error does it give in /var/log/messages? |
| 00:26.04 | Zoohouse | thats righttttttttt |
| 00:26.05 | maher | Zoohouse: umm.... just cat /proc/pci |
| 00:26.06 | Zoohouse | lol |
| 00:26.07 | holycow | 3. google :) |
| 00:26.27 | cafuego | Zoohouse: What you're running appears to NOT be debian. |
| 00:26.42 | Xenguy | ooo, busted =) |
| 00:26.49 | azeem | cafuego: he might be running Debian 1.0 or something |
| 00:26.50 | azeem | pre-apt |
| 00:26.51 | yhg | skywolf, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 00:26.52 | maher | Zoohouse: you seem unfamiliar with linux in general - if you take the box to your local linux user group they will install probably debian on it if you ask them nicely |
| 00:26.57 | holycow | azeem, hehehe :) |
| 00:27.05 | skywolf | yhg: thnx, i'll check it out |
| 00:27.09 | Zoohouse | cafuego, you are right, it is fedora |
| 00:27.20 | azeem | Zoohouse: there's debtakeover |
| 00:27.25 | cafuego | Zoohouse: Well, without wanting to be narky, fuck off then. |
| 00:27.42 | Xenguy | Zoohouse: "never confess until the preacher grabs you from behind" -- hehe |
| 00:27.48 | holycow | cafuego, hahah :) you guys have some great lines today :) |
| 00:27.50 | holycow | 'narky" |
| 00:27.56 | holycow | i'm adding that to my vocabulary :) |
| 00:28.04 | Zoohouse | cafuego, im having trouble installing debien, so without being narky you fuck off |
| 00:28.06 | areels | i lost ok i changed all stables to unstable |
| 00:28.14 | cafuego | holycow: Nothing like not sleeping well for 3 nights like coming up with great lines. |
| 00:28.36 | xam | areels: arrggll |
| 00:28.36 | holycow | *nod* mmhhmm i hear ya |
| 00:28.37 | cafuego | Zoohouse: My apologies, I assumed you were trolling. |
| 00:28.49 | cafuego | Zoohouse: What's the install problem? |
| 00:28.49 | Zoohouse | cafuego, no sir ;) |
| 00:28.59 | maher | Zoohouse: try dmesg | less and see if it says anything about sata |
| 00:29.11 | Zoohouse | im running amd athlon64 with 2 astat drives |
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| 00:29.25 | cafuego | astat? |
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| 00:29.40 | areels | i have too many errors now holycow |
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| 00:29.47 | Zoohouse | i put in the cd and when it says "hit Enter to boot" i do so but shortly after i do it just freezes and dies |
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| 00:29.54 | areels | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_bin |
| 00:30.03 | Zoohouse | cafuego, i meant to say SATA |
| 00:30.09 | cafuego | Zoohouse: Ah sata. Do you know what sata controller thwe machine has? |
| 00:30.35 | Zoohouse | cafuego, im fairly new to linux... |
| 00:30.42 | Zoohouse | how can i find out ? |
| 00:30.44 | holycow | what are the errors, and did you dist-upgrade as root? |
| 00:30.50 | cafuego | Zoohouse: Did you buy a system or did you build it yourself? |
| 00:31.01 | Zoohouse | build |
| 00:31.08 | cafuego | Zoohouse: What mobo did you buy? |
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| 00:31.28 | Zoohouse | cafuego, ASUS K8V SE Deluxe |
| 00:31.37 | cafuego | Checking... |
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| 00:31.48 | Zoohouse | cafuego, thank you for the help |
| 00:31.48 | areels | these are errors holycow |
| 00:32.06 | xam | areels: don't post here, post in #flood |
| 00:32.20 | cafuego | kt800 via sata. Are you running in raid mode? |
| 00:32.22 | holycow | ill send you my sources.list file, back up yours, even tho its fucked |
| 00:32.40 | Zoohouse | i took off raid mode from the bios |
| 00:32.44 | areels | i didn't post it here xam and congratulations you're the first person who i saw warns before than action instead after than action |
| 00:32.45 | cafuego | Zoohouse: Good[tm] |
| 00:33.04 | cafuego | Zoohouse: Using the amd64 iso from alioth.debian.org? |
| 00:33.19 | Zoohouse | nope... |
| 00:33.22 | areels | and thank you also |
| 00:33.24 | Zoohouse | didn't know there was one |
| 00:33.26 | cafuego | Zoohouse: i386 one? |
| 00:33.30 | Zoohouse | yea |
| 00:33.38 | cafuego | Booting the default kernel? |
| 00:33.43 | Zoohouse | yea |
| 00:34.04 | cafuego | Ok. Your problems will probably all be solved with an amd64 2.6 kernel |
| 00:34.04 | Zoohouse | i just pop in the cd and reboot my machine and hit enter, then it dies |
| 00:34.07 | cafuego | (it's magic) |
| 00:34.27 | Zoohouse | cafuego, i also have a similar problem with mandrake |
| 00:34.47 | xam | cafuego: can I get some of this magic? I don't have a amd64 however :-/ |
| 00:34.58 | cafuego | xam: No. Avaunt! |
| 00:35.20 | Zoohouse | ok cool so i go get it at alioth.debian.org? |
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| 00:35.26 | Zoohouse | thank you for your help |
| 00:35.27 | xam | cafuego: damn, have to make my own magic potion again |
| 00:35.36 | greycat | cafuego: you can still say "Avast!" for a few more hours in my time zone. |
| 00:35.37 | cafuego | Zoohouse: Just checking the url for you. |
| 00:35.50 | cafuego | Zoohouse: http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/sid-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 00:35.59 | Zoohouse | thanx |
| 00:36.18 | thomas_adam | Yaarrrrrrh. |
| 00:36.31 | cafuego | Zoohouse: When that boots up, you probably want to make sure you have a 2.6 kernel. You *may* need to boot it with 'linux26' rather then just hitting return. |
| 00:37.10 | Zoohouse | cafuego, ill check it out now |
| 00:37.16 | cafuego | good luck :-) |
| 00:37.24 | Zoohouse | thx |
| 00:37.27 | Zoohouse | later everyone |
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| 00:37.35 | struct | is there a debian tutorial for configuring LVM? |
| 00:37.37 | cafuego | (it installed fine on both amd64 boxes I've popped it on sofar) |
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| 00:41.03 | simonrvn | @lart root IRCers |
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| 00:44.19 | Striker2 | Hi. I have a simple and stupid question. I'm running Debian woody on my server at home. I use irssi to IRC. I wanted compile irssi with all supports. One of they is to build irssi with socks (4/5). I installed all the socks library (libsocksd, libsocksd-dev libsocks4). When I run ./configure all things work..but when I try to compile it I get an error (problems with socks). The same thing happends with BitchX. Someone can suggest |
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| 00:45.07 | struct | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 00:45.33 | Striker2 | struct, too easy. I want to compile it by hands. Anyway irssi-text hasn't all the supports I need. |
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| 00:46.33 | Striker2 | struct, any idea? |
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| 00:46.41 | struct | no, sorry |
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| 00:46.49 | Striker2 | np. :) |
| 00:46.55 | try_catch_this | ** (gnome-session:13213): WARNING **: Unable to lock ICE authority file: /home/dsl/.ICEauthority |
| 00:47.03 | try_catch_this | how can I fix this? |
| 00:47.26 | greycat | try_catch_this: is your home dir on NFS? |
| 00:47.29 | MarcN | I have some new pcf font files. What is the best way to install them? mkfontdir; xset fp+ /some/dir; xlsfonts show the font, but I don't see it in the gnome font picker. Why not? |
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| 00:47.51 | try_catch_this | NFS? |
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| 00:48.53 | simonrvn | cgi: apt-get source irssi-text; edit debian/rules to have the extra options you need/want; apt-get build-dep irssi-text (plus the apt-get install libsocks-dev stuff and fakeroot, then chmod +x debian/rules; run fakeroot debian/rules binary in the source dir |
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| 00:50.18 | cafuego | simonrvn: dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 00:50.53 | rares000 | is there any way to get the 2.6.5 kernel-source still? |
| 00:50.59 | cafuego | helix: Speaking of transparent latex thongs... |
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| 00:51.16 | helix | cafuego: yes, here I am |
| 00:51.24 | asuffield | wearing a transparent latex thong? eew |
| 00:51.31 | helix | cafuego: my hosting company does not wish to upgrade their kernel |
| 00:51.36 | PerfDave | asuffield: What's wrong with transparent latex thongs? :p |
| 00:51.47 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:51.52 | try_catch_this | they are a couple of programs that i can only run as root, example mozilla firefox, does anyone else have this problem? |
| 00:51.57 | asuffield | dpkg-source chmods debian/rules when it's done unpacking. you should never have to do that by hand |
| 00:52.00 | helix | asuffield: no, I don't wear them, we just hypothesized one day that they might be.. wait, why did we talk about them? |
| 00:52.21 | rares000 | helix so root theM |
| 00:52.23 | helix | cafuego: do you remember? |
| 00:52.32 | maria | thongs, for when you can't sit on a washing line |
| 00:52.32 | cafuego | helix: We talked about them in relation to gential shaving; how getting poubic hair stuck in a latex thong would suck. |
| 00:52.41 | helix | ah, right |
| 00:52.41 | abrotman | i can't imagine there's ever a good reason to discuss latex :) |
| 00:52.48 | cafuego | helix: I believe tarzeau brought up the shaving |
| 00:52.58 | helix | cafuego: tarzeau brought up vibrator batteries |
| 00:53.00 | rares000 | LaTeX vs MS Word |
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| 00:53.13 | helix | cafuego: I'm not sure what happened after that |
| 00:53.26 | cafuego | helix: Did they specify any reasons for not upgrading the kernel? |
| 00:53.37 | helix | cafuego: they said it's the latest kernel for that release. |
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| 00:54.15 | simonrvn | cgi: don't /msg me |
| 00:54.15 | cafuego | helix: Did you tell them that release is 3 years out of date and has more holes in it than a VC body with a colander on its head? |
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| 00:54.27 | cgi | simonp, I'm on Woody. I think there isn't libsocks5-dev |
| 00:54.34 | helix | cafuego: not yet. the reply I got was fairly terse and I'm quite unimpressed. |
| 00:54.53 | cafuego | helix: So you're researching alternatives now eh? |
| 00:54.55 | simonrvn | cgi: so do a search already |
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| 00:55.04 | helix | cafuego: I haven't started, but I should |
| 00:55.07 | nullguy | anyone successfully get kazaa working under debian? |
| 00:55.14 | cafuego | helix: I think I saw cheep hosting solutions in the latest Linux Journal. |
| 00:55.14 | cgi | simonp, prozac:/usr/src/ss5-2.4# apt-cache show libsocks4-dev |
| 00:55.15 | cgi | W: Unable to locate package libsocks4-dev |
| 00:55.15 | cgi | prozac:/usr/src/ss5-2.4# |
| 00:55.20 | simonrvn | @kill kazaa |
| 00:55.23 | helix | cafuego: the thought of temporarily hosting it at my house is fairly unappealing |
| 00:55.29 | maher | helix: who's hosting you currently? |
| 00:55.35 | netrider | re |
| 00:55.36 | simonrvn | cgi: my nick IS NOT simonp. FFS |
| 00:55.38 | nullguy | simonp: ? |
| 00:55.41 | helix | maher: I'm not saying lest someone try to root them ;) |
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| 00:55.55 | cafuego | helix: I can temporarily host it for you, but you will have to put up with bob[tm] bandwith ;-) |
| 00:55.55 | simonrvn | TAB COMPLETE PROPERLY |
| 00:56.00 | try_catch_this | has anyone ever used parted to resize an NTFS partition? |
| 00:56.01 | cgi | simonrvn, fucked X-Chat. ;) |
| 00:56.02 | helix | then they'll have access to my s3kr1t p1x directory |
| 00:56.08 | helix | cafuego: heh |
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| 00:56.25 | maher | helix: :) well let us know if you find a decent hoster - i may be looking for a remote machine at some point.... |
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| 00:56.31 | try_catch_this | I want to know how long it would take to resize a 115 gig partition to about 100 gigs |
| 00:56.34 | thu | what can be wrong if I can't get a value for # host `hostname`? |
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| 00:56.44 | maher | try_catch_this: i once used ntfsresize - it seemed to work |
| 00:56.45 | cafuego | Though I admittedly managed 2MB/sec on that box when dowmnloading stuff to it |
| 00:56.45 | helix | maher: yeah, I guess the problem is that most hosts that allow ssh access are a little more expensive |
| 00:57.01 | struct | no, sorry |
| 00:57.04 | struct | is there a debian tutorial for configuring LVM? |
| 00:57.05 | helix | maher: this one doesn't give out shells, but I've been able to deal with ftp ok.. |
| 00:57.14 | helix | if I found something new I'd want shell access though |
| 00:57.19 | Zoohouse | confound im logging in from my laptop becuse something wird happend while rebooting the pc i was installing debian |
| 00:57.28 | thu | thu@obelix:~$ host `hostname` / Host obelix not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 00:57.42 | cafuego | helix: Probably a uml based host, get yer own virtual linux box with an IP. |
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| 00:58.05 | maher | helix: I've seen dedicated boxes for around $80/month from the cheapest hosters - but I have never rented one... |
| 00:58.14 | helix | umm |
| 00:58.18 | helix | yeah, that's out of my price range |
| 00:58.25 | helix | I don't think I'll be able to switch for a bit |
| 00:58.26 | thu | I think the cheapest were around $40 |
| 00:58.29 | helix | maybe in a few months |
| 00:58.35 | cafuego | helix: Lemme grab that LJ and have a look though the ads |
| 00:59.07 | thu | $45/month if you're an open source contributor :) |
| 00:59.40 | helix | I know someone that offers what I want for ~$9/month, but that's only with one domain |
| 01:00.03 | Zoohouse | confound i did what you did and booted from the cd using kernal2.6. Debian installed from the cd just fine, no problems. Then it told me to take out the cd and reboot and i did so. But when debian rebooted and i hit enter in grub i get an error that reads: Code: Bad EIP value <0>Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 01:00.09 | kingsley | Why would I see "/sbin/int: cannot open dev/console: no such file" when booting a newly restored backup in which /dev/console exists? |
| 01:00.12 | thu | 1and1.com had a promotion that included shell access.. it's over though |
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| 01:00.45 | helix | I'm not too worried about it. I know enough geeks that I'm sure I'll find something. |
| 01:00.46 | thu | thu@obelix:~$ host `hostname` / Host obelix not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) <-- any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 01:01.07 | try_catch_this | I have 250 megs of ram how big should a linux swap partition be? |
| 01:01.11 | kingsley | Could grub be finding the kernel image to boot, but not the root directory? |
| 01:01.16 | helix | mine says my host does not exist ;) |
| 01:01.18 | thu | try_catch_this, 512M is a nice round number |
| 01:01.33 | Zoohouse | What should i do confound?? |
| 01:01.44 | cafuego | helix: Hmm, no.. cheapest in there is $99/mo |
| 01:01.48 | helix | ouch |
| 01:01.49 | thu | maybe host just tries the dns |
| 01:02.13 | helix | screw that. I'd rather host it myself. |
| 01:02.13 | Zoohouse | i mean to say cafuego |
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| 01:02.40 | ahosie_ | !lart me |
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| 01:02.51 | thu | !lart ahosie_ |
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| 01:03.00 | cafuego | Zoohouse: Whoops. Plug "Bad EIP value" into google. |
| 01:03.02 | try_catch_this | how does windows xp handle resizing partitions? |
| 01:03.06 | ahosie_ | heh |
| 01:03.11 | cafuego | try_catch_this: "not" |
| 01:03.15 | eyaw_nayr | Using a netinst ISO, how do you load other modules besides the ones autodected? |
| 01:03.16 | thu | any poor souls here running srss3 on linux? |
| 01:03.27 | thu | try_catch_this, on win xp you use something like partition magic |
| 01:03.28 | cafuego | eyaw_nayr: alt-F2; modprobe |
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| 01:04.07 | Roxwell | Hi, how do i set up IPv6, i already have a tunnel but the address they gave me links to the cia world factbook |
| 01:04.08 | eyaw_nayr | thanks cafuego |
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| 01:04.41 | cafuego | thu: Add 'obelix' to the DNS server and make sure the right domain name it set in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:04.51 | try_catch_this | partition magic costs money :) |
| 01:05.06 | holycow | http://users.net1plus.com/scottm/HomeComputer.jpg <-- hehe :) |
| 01:05.15 | try_catch_this | and the demo isnt even a real demo cause it wont resize the ntfs |
| 01:05.19 | thu | cafuego, does `host` obey nsswitch.conf or does it just hit the name server? |
| 01:05.26 | holycow | if i didn't know any better, i would say thats what the ms r&d dept. looks like :) |
| 01:05.26 | holycow | hehehe |
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| 01:05.38 | cafuego | thu: Mine just hits the nameserver, default untouched nsswitch.conf |
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| 01:05.56 | thu | oh.. makes sense then |
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| 01:06.09 | eyaw_nayr | cafuego: what is the full path to modprobe? |
| 01:06.15 | cafuego | eyaw_nayr: /sbin/modprobe |
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| 01:06.40 | Afrodita | Plz Help Me http://www.netwars.ru/go.php?login=patriotina |
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| 01:07.57 | ansong | um, i just d/l and ran chkrootkit. and i've got "possible LKM trojan installed" i googled the message and followed the "compare /proc with ps" instructions. i think its a false alarm. yes? |
| 01:08.08 | cafuego | ansong: Most likely yes. |
| 01:08.24 | try_catch_this | how long did the resize take? |
| 01:08.31 | cafuego | RelDrgn: parked in the driveway? |
| 01:08.32 | maher | try_catch_this: ages |
| 01:08.33 | RelDrgn | ansong: false alarms come up a lot on newer kernels |
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| 01:08.51 | ansong | good. it seemed to be the consensus in the forums i read also |
| 01:09.05 | ribrdb | is there an official woody dvd jigdo file? |
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| 01:10.43 | try_catch_this | the sarge business card iso: is that sutable for someone with 56k that wants to get debian? |
| 01:10.57 | eyaw_nayr | try_catch_this, no |
| 01:10.59 | try_catch_this | Like a minimal install that will install the rest over the net? |
| 01:11.06 | ansong | try_catch_this, you'd want to give them the full install |
| 01:11.14 | eyaw_nayr | try_catch_this, a netinstall over the net would take ages |
| 01:11.51 | try_catch_this | I have alot of the packages already |
| 01:12.09 | ansong | good luck man |
| 01:12.13 | try_catch_this | like 2 cds of packages with openoffice kde and gnome |
| 01:12.27 | eyaw_nayr | whatever floats your boat |
| 01:12.38 | try_catch_this | I just wanted to know if it had the minimal debian stuff |
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| 01:14.45 | mqduck | im setting up some old hardware to make a debian machine out of, and i have a choice between a rage 128 pro and a rage II. can someone tell me which came first/which is better? |
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| 01:15.04 | ansong | get 128 |
| 01:15.07 | eyaw_nayr | mqduck, 128 pro |
| 01:15.07 | mqduck | thanks |
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| 01:17.25 | try_catch_this | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc1/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 01:17.32 | try_catch_this | anyone tried this before? |
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| 01:19.28 | rares000 | anyone have the 2.6.5 kernel-source deb? |
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| 01:21.27 | fwhite | how come when i run make I get this message make: gcc: Command not found |
| 01:21.36 | kingsley | Is my understanding correct that linux can't boot if the file named "/dev/initrd" doesn't exist? |
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| 01:23.10 | ansong | install gcc? |
| 01:23.17 | greycat | kingsley: no |
| 01:23.27 | fwhite | I just installed debian have been using mandrake 10 for a while |
| 01:23.34 | maher | fwhite: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 01:23.48 | fwhite | ok I will try that |
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| 01:24.18 | callie | fwhite, do apt-get update first |
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| 01:24.26 | Serialkiller | question : is there a updated kernel hoto for upgradeing to 2.6* |
| 01:24.47 | fwhite | ok. I will do that first thanx |
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| 01:25.47 | freemo | is there a way to mount a directory on a partition and not the whole partition? |
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| 01:26.25 | hao2lian | apt-get install kernel-image-* will always work if nothing else. |
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| 01:26.42 | mrwill | freemo: that question doesn't seem to make sense. |
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| 01:27.14 | freemo | i have a directory sitting in a ext3 partition.. is there a way i can mount jsut that directory instead of the whole ext3 partition? |
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| 01:27.26 | freemo | that was directed to mrwill |
| 01:27.47 | mrwill | freemo: don't think so, sorry. |
| 01:28.12 | tvn | are they going to fix the nautilus icon problem in Sarge ? it has been around since May . |
| 01:28.15 | Kerr | what is the command to lock the screen with xscreensaver ? |
| 01:28.21 | freemo | mrwill, darn .. cause i want to augment a RO file system with my harddrive.. but i dont want to expose the whole drive |
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| 01:28.36 | ansong | i'm getting a weird error on upgrade, openoffice mimelnk? is trying to overwrite a file thats also in kdelibs-data? |
| 01:28.52 | paolo | Hi guys! Is there a way to have a chat with another ltsp client without a internet connection? |
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| 01:29.00 | goofy871 | ryan |
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| 01:29.48 | Markaci | Is it sarge or is it 3.0r3 (still woody) being released soon? Or are they the same? I'm confused. |
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| 01:30.18 | ixi-deb05 | Hi |
| 01:30.25 | Kerr | nevermind.. i figured it out |
| 01:30.27 | cafuego | Markaci: Sartge (3.1) will be released soon. |
| 01:30.57 | ixi-deb05 | Where and when is better to load iptables rules? |
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| 01:31.26 | mrwill | ixi-deb05: better than what? |
| 01:31.45 | ixi-deb05 | mrwill: better then other alternatives :) |
| 01:31.58 | Markaci | Okay, thanks cafuego. |
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| 01:32.03 | mrwill | !tell ixi-deb05 about better |
| 01:32.12 | chris__ | wtf is the package that has pnpdump |
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| 01:32.14 | chris__ | i cant remember |
| 01:32.17 | chris__ | in testing |
| 01:33.33 | biohazrd | is there a way to setup a dns server to use the short name of the host instead of the fqd? or do i have to use /etc/hosts for that? I tried A record for the short name and a CNAME |
| 01:34.06 | AZN_Reaver | how do i install Glib 2.0 using apt-get ? |
| 01:34.21 | mrnull | what program do you guys use for binary newsgroups? |
| 01:34.46 | callie | AZN do apt-cache search Glib |
| 01:34.52 | biohazrd | apt-get install libglib2.0-0 |
| 01:35.57 | ixi-deb05 | mrwill: in other words should /etc/init.d/iptables script be used? Or its BETTER to use another techique? |
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| 01:36.32 | mrnull | ixi-deb05: huh.. i was going to use 'brag.' haven't heard about that |
| 01:37.21 | SNIa | anyone here has setup multiple default gateways? |
| 01:37.28 | dpowers_ | anyone know how to make the console always scrollable? |
| 01:37.35 | ixi-deb05 | mrnull: ? |
| 01:37.37 | dpowers_ | and where to change text sizes for console? |
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| 01:39.01 | mrnull | ixi-deb05: i was just looking for a client program to assemble and download binary newsgroup files. |
| 01:39.15 | ixi-deb05 | 2 all: Is using /etc/init.d/iptables script for loading iptables rules common approved practice or there is another Debian way to do that? |
| 01:39.15 | freemo | is there a config file the ip tables are stored in? |
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| 01:40.03 | mrwill | dpowers_: to make it scrollable, you could try screen. |
| 01:40.06 | ixi-deb05 | 2 all: I'm asking because of those warnings in /etc/default/iptables.... |
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| 01:40.33 | dpowers_ | mrwill: that's a good idea, maybe i'll just log output to a file |
| 01:40.35 | ixi-deb05 | mrwill: well... I know nothing about it. Sorry. |
| 01:40.37 | abrotman | freemo: kind of |
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| 01:40.41 | ixi-deb05 | mrnull: well... I know nothing about it. Sorry. |
| 01:40.53 | ixi-deb05 | mrwill: it was to mrnull |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | Freak: iirc /var/lib/iptables/active|inactive |
| 01:41.02 | dpowers_ | isnt there a way to log screen output to a file as well to stdout? |
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| 01:41.11 | dpowers_ | 2&>1 or something |
| 01:41.38 | freemo | abrotman, kinda how? |
| 01:41.55 | mrwill | dpowers_: if you just want the output of something to go to a file, and be echoed again, try 'tee' |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | freemo: it's more of the iptables .. not like a config file |
| 01:42.11 | freemo | abrotman, what? |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | freemo: iptables processes the file .. aw screw it ..call it a config file |
| 01:42.19 | freemo | abrotman, hehehe |
| 01:42.45 | fwhite | how would I install ati i386.rpm driver files? I notice debian uses .deb I need this to be able to use my radeon card |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | !tell fwhite about alien |
| 01:43.09 | ixi-deb05 | fwhite: alien |
| 01:43.12 | Gil | fwhite: don't use the rpms |
| 01:43.13 | abrotman | !tell fwhite about ati drivers |
| 01:43.19 | Gil | fwhite: search google for 'ati drivers debian' |
| 01:44.32 | abrotman | !ati driveres |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 01:44.34 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. |
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| 01:44.37 | abrotman | Gil: like that? |
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| 01:46.37 | freemo | abrotman, where is thsi "config" file? |
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| 01:48.29 | abrotman | freemo: i told you |
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| 01:49.12 | freemo | abrotman, i dont see it... you said there is a file that iptables processes right? |
| 01:49.36 | zarchne | freemo: he said "Freak: iirc /var/lib/iptables/active|inactive" |
| 01:50.34 | freemo | Zapelius, ahh i filter out lines that are addressed to the wrong person mentally without relizing it |
| 01:50.50 | BlackJudas | what pkgs do i need to install dhcp? |
| 01:50.51 | BlackJudas | or do i? |
| 01:50.53 | freemo | abrotman, i see no such firectory "iptables" in /var/lib |
| 01:50.55 | abrotman | freemo: sorry |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | !find inactive |
| 01:51.21 | freemo | abrotman, nope :( |
| 01:51.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'inactive' (5 shown; 16 total): (/usr/share/doc/autobook/html/inactive.png) in doc/autobook ;; (/usr/share/apps/kvoctrain/entry-inactive.png) in kde/kvoctrain ;; (/usr/share/inkscape/icons/dt_inactive.xpm) in graphics/inkscape ;; (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/bitmaps/netinactive) in x11/isdnutils-xtools ;; (/usr/share/apps/noatun/skins/kjofol/HexoBronx/inactive.png) in sound/noatun. |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 01:51.46 | freemo | hehe |
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| 01:52.10 | abrotman | freemo: did you make any entries yet? |
| 01:52.12 | GentooGuy | If I wanted to sniff the packets of clients on my network would Ethereal have to be installed on each client, on my machine or just the router???? |
| 01:52.14 | abrotman | and save/restore them? |
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| 01:52.25 | freemo | abrotman, yes |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | GentooGuy: depends on your network |
| 01:52.36 | abrotman | freemo: using /etc/init.d/iptables ? |
| 01:52.48 | GentooGuy | abrotman: yes I am using iptables |
| 01:53.00 | GentooGuy | actually I have a firewall script |
| 01:53.05 | NixerX | anyone ever have troble booting into windows 2000 after installing sarge? |
| 01:53.09 | GentooGuy | everything in the internal network is allowed though |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | GentooGuy: what does that have to do with iptables? |
| 01:53.33 | abrotman | GentooGuy: it depends on your network |
| 01:53.38 | freemo | abrotman, nope |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | freemo: try that |
| 01:53.46 | freemo | abrotman, and there are rules in my ip table |
| 01:54.01 | GentooGuy | oh well how do you mean, I have a central linksys router |
| 01:54.13 | GentooGuy | two windows clients |
| 01:54.16 | nvz | NixerX: yeah that will happen |
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| 01:54.18 | freemo | abrotman, try what? |
| 01:54.20 | GentooGuy | and three linux/unix clients |
| 01:54.27 | NixerX | nvz, It totally sucks :) |
| 01:54.27 | GentooGuy | that is about it |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | GentooGuy: iirc .. a switch won't broadcast traffic |
| 01:54.40 | nvz | NixerX: you always install windows first from oldest to newest then other OS's when you multi boot with windows |
| 01:54.54 | ansong | abrotman, but you can see lots of other stuff |
| 01:55.06 | GentooGuy | I see so how would it be possible to see traffic from all clients on my network and not just my own? |
| 01:55.08 | abrotman | ansong: ok .. if you say so |
| 01:55.11 | nvz | NixerX: lots of versions of the windows installers will puke if they fine something they dont understand |
| 01:55.17 | abrotman | i don't see why people want to sniff traffic anyways |
| 01:55.18 | NixerX | nvz, Yea I have 40'ish gigs set aside for slackware ususall then I decided to give devian a whirl. |
| 01:55.42 | GentooGuy | if you don't know how I can do it just say so |
| 01:55.46 | ansong | esp. if you send a few arps |
| 01:55.49 | GentooGuy | I am trying to google it anyway |
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| 01:56.03 | NixerX | Normally I can fisk /mbr and stuff is vback to normal....but not this time! |
| 01:56.04 | JoePenguin | Is there a way to have my middle mouse button act as a double-click? |
| 01:56.07 | nvz | NixerX: Debian, and sounds like you are off to a wild start at testing operating systems you obviously havent got it down yet. |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | GentooGuy: from what i remmber .. if your switch is actually a hub .. you can see all traffic |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | GentooGuy: otherwise .. i suppose you need a sniffer on the switch |
| 01:56.40 | NixerX | nvz, I got plenty of experince just not w/ debian. |
| 01:56.40 | SNIa | switch != hub |
| 01:56.42 | GentooGuy | the switch in this case is my linksys router |
| 01:56.44 | nvz | NixerX: was the win2k an existing install I thought you said you tried to install it after installing sarge? |
| 01:56.46 | SNIa | switch == multiport bridge |
| 01:56.50 | SNIa | hub == multiport repeater |
| 01:56.56 | abrotman | GentooGuy: is it a switch or hub |
| 01:57.01 | NixerX | nvz, Win2k was pre-existing. |
| 01:57.02 | try_catch_this | whats the apt-get command to delete out dated debs from cache? |
| 01:57.04 | GentooGuy | so I could technically install ethereal on the router if I wanted to do this |
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| 01:57.12 | ansong | GentooGuy, i think you're kind of out of luck then. |
| 01:57.13 | GentooGuy | it is the linksys WRT54G |
| 01:57.18 | Xenguy | JoePenguin: I don't think you want that (middle-click is the X paste mechanism for example) |
| 01:57.28 | GentooGuy | so I am supposing it is a switch not a hub |
| 01:57.29 | abrotman | but .. if it is within the subnet .. will the router see the traffic? |
| 01:57.34 | nvz | NixerX: whats the problem then? |
| 01:57.47 | ansong | GentooGuy, it is switched, yes |
| 01:57.47 | JoePenguin | Xenguy: I forgot about that. Well, suppose I have a fourth button then :) |
| 01:57.51 | rares000 | alrighty is there a way to get wget to follow symlinks? |
| 01:57.54 | GentooGuy | yes |
| 01:57.58 | SNIa | only thing you'll pick up on a switch is broadcasts |
| 01:58.07 | SNIa | otherwise you'll have to arp poison |
| 01:58.21 | rares000 | the symlink is to a . directory so it's like hidden or something |
| 01:58.29 | GentooGuy | k |
| 01:58.50 | NixerX | nvz, Heh....I try to boot into win2k after the install and it grub just sits at the root (hd0,0) blah blah chainloader+ yap yap |
| 01:58.54 | Xenguy | try_catch_this: apt-cache clean is one idea |
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| 01:59.15 | ansong | abrotman, the router is on the switch (one device) unless he's running some hacked firmware that allows him to install whatever on the router's fs he's going to have to arp poison his lan to see much of anything |
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| 01:59.22 | nvz | NixerX: sounds like ntldr isnt there.. you do got a win2k rescue media right? |
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| 01:59.35 | abrotman | ansong: so tell him it's not possible? |
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| 01:59.45 | NixerX | nvz, Yep I tried that and it was a bomb...:( |
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| 01:59.53 | ansong | i already have, i don't know if it took |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | GentooGuy: see what ansong said? |
| 02:00.40 | NixerX | nvz, Its f**ked. I never had trouble like this before....but I guess its to be expexted from an RC release. |
| 02:00.41 | nvz | NixerX: tried what? |
| 02:00.44 | GentooGuy | yup thanks |
| 02:00.51 | ansong | oops, SNIa said it too |
| 02:00.54 | nvz | NixerX: no debian didnt hose windows |
| 02:00.54 | NixerX | nvz, I tried using a rescue disk. |
| 02:00.57 | GentooGuy | yes it is switched |
| 02:01.03 | nvz | NixerX: and what did you try doing with it |
| 02:01.33 | nvz | NixerX: either something in grub is wrong or ntldr was on mbr and is now gone and needs to be installed |
| 02:01.34 | NixerX | nvz, I tried the fast repair, the console FIXBOOT FIXMBR. |
| 02:01.40 | abrotman | and as i said .. when you first started .. it depends on your network :) |
| 02:01.51 | abrotman | freemo: find it? |
| 02:02.07 | nvz | NixerX: what is NT on /dev/hda1? |
| 02:02.14 | NixerX | nvz, yea. |
| 02:02.33 | nvz | NixerX: and the installer found it and added a grub entry for it? |
| 02:02.52 | NixerX | nvz, Yep automatically even...that part was smooth as hell. |
| 02:03.11 | nvz | NixerX: yeah see the problem is I know very little about grub and ntldr |
| 02:03.18 | freemo | abrotman, nope and i jsut did a locate |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | freemo: find it? |
| 02:03.40 | nvz | NixerX: I have an XP box here though and I know lilo, which is something you could try instead of grub, but I think ntldr is missing |
| 02:03.46 | freemo | abrotman, i think what ill need to do is boot linux (if it boots, its jsut mounted right now in knoppix). then do an iptables-save |
| 02:03.47 | NixerX | nvz, I rarelt have trouble using lilo. |
| 02:03.48 | try_catch_this | I have a mouse with 5 buttons, I would like to know if I could get linux to detect the extra 2 buttons, and assign them to special features like minimize or maximize |
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| 02:03.59 | NixerX | nvz, personally I prefer lilo. |
| 02:04.03 | nvz | NixerX: could mount the NT partition from linux and see if ntldr is there |
| 02:04.11 | abrotman | freemo: you have to have an inactive and active |
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| 02:04.31 | NixerX | Yea thats there as is boot.ini... |
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| 02:04.35 | freemo | abrotman, i searched for the word iptables and looked and there is none |
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| 02:05.01 | abrotman | freemo: read the /etc/init.d/iptables script |
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| 02:05.38 | NixerX | nvz, I dont get it. |
| 02:05.52 | nvz | NixerX: well if you know about winders nt then you might know what to look for in setting up ntldr, I personally stopped using it around 98SE, now I just recently installed XP |
| 02:05.56 | freemo | abrotman, not such script exists |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | freemo: did you install it? |
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| 02:06.16 | nvz | NixerX: I could look into it but I dont know off hand |
| 02:06.23 | NixerX | nvz, I only use windows for audio recording. |
| 02:06.33 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:06.44 | abrotman | freemo: the file should be there if you have the package installed |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | if you're running knoppix .. i have no idea |
| 02:07.00 | Master_Yoer | I know this is beyond debian, but I was wondering where I could get the quota package? (One came default with my install, but it doesnt have edquota, or anything) |
| 02:07.04 | NixerX | nvz, cause its cheaper than a mac and I know the proggies. |
| 02:07.18 | mrwill | Master_Yoer: maybe quota-tools? |
| 02:07.18 | nvz | NixerX: whaa whaa heh :) |
| 02:07.21 | freemo | abrotman, what package.. is inactive and active a part of some special package? i thought you were saying "they must be on yoru drive" |
| 02:07.35 | NixerX | nvz, Thats funny eh? |
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| 02:07.47 | nvz | NixerX: what kind of software are you using or what are you doing? |
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| 02:07.51 | Master_Yoer | mrwill: apt cant find quota-tools |
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| 02:08.18 | NixerX | Sonar Producer and a bunch of Sonic Foundry crap |
| 02:08.32 | mrwill | Master_Yoer: I've got quotas enabled with packages quota, and quotatool |
| 02:08.33 | nvz | NixerX: making cds the I guess |
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| 02:08.40 | callie | Master_Yoer, apt-cache search quota |
| 02:08.45 | mrwill | Master_Yoer: sorry for the semi-accurate name last time. |
| 02:09.09 | tomb0y | if i have a 20gb as my /dev/hda1 what tool can i use to make that /dev/hda2 and make a /dev/hda1 before that for /boot ? |
| 02:09.15 | Master_Yoer | callie: I did that, it only showed results for quota. |
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| 02:09.51 | claviola | Yes gmail invites |
| 02:10.01 | claviola | I'll invite anyone[0] who wants to be invited |
| 02:10.07 | claviola | 0. anyone I deem worthy |
| 02:10.13 | mrwill | tomb0y: parted? |
| 02:10.17 | Master_Yoer | im on redhat, btw, which was why I said it was outside of debian |
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| 02:10.25 | claviola | helix: ping |
| 02:10.38 | callie | Master_Yoer, well i dont know about redhat |
| 02:10.40 | tomb0y | mrwill: so parted will allow you to move partitions around that have data on it and wont ruin it? |
| 02:10.55 | tomb0y | mrwill: ive only created paritions at time of install.. never after install |
| 02:10.55 | mrwill | tomb0y: certain types of partitions, yes. |
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| 02:11.09 | tomb0y | mrwill: ext2/ext3 ? |
| 02:11.24 | mrwill | tomb0y: yes, but cannot be mounted rw while being modified. |
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| 02:12.06 | simonrvn | Master_Yoer: #redhat or #fedora |
| 02:12.18 | Master_Yoer | ill try that, thanks |
| 02:12.27 | tomb0y | mrwill: ok and thers no probs remounting / as read-only correct ? or will parted require a /tmp dir or something |
| 02:12.52 | mrwill | tomb0y: not sure -- you may have to boot from something else, like a cd. |
| 02:13.27 | tomb0y | mrwill: ;/ ok.. ill look fully into it.. that part is kinda hard since im remote :) but thanks for info |
| 02:13.42 | mrwill | tomb0y: no problem. |
| 02:15.31 | mrnull | exit |
| 02:16.33 | random0ne | it's too bad the new apt-proxy is borked. it is such a useful app |
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| 02:19.49 | spatulasnout | Hi, how does one set the time zone in debian/linux? My server's is set to CDT and I'd like to set it to PDT |
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| 02:20.13 | simonrvn | tzconfig |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | yes .. that |
| 02:20.18 | ApTek | spatulasnout: tzconfig |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | since i tried to type gzconfig |
| 02:20.33 | spatulasnout | simonrvn, abrotman, ApTek - thanks ! |
| 02:20.35 | random0ne | tzsetup |
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| 02:22.05 | spatulasnout | random0ne: thanks ! |
| 02:22.13 | MobyTurbo | spatulasnout: if you want it just set for one user, set the TZ environmental variable in the shell. |
| 02:22.15 | abrotman | Random-832: wtf is that? |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | not you |
| 02:22.25 | abrotman | the other random0ne |
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| 02:22.37 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: i keep forgetting to do that for myself... |
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| 02:22.42 | random0ne | spatulasnout: tzsetup appears to be ncurses front end for tzconfig |
| 02:22.44 | MrP | Anyone know how to change what program opens a certain file type by default? |
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| 02:23.00 | Roxwell | Hi, how do i exit a service, like x |
| 02:23.04 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: that's what ~/.bashrc is for. ;-) |
| 02:23.05 | Roxwell | or gnome |
| 02:23.08 | random0ne | abrotman: huh? |
| 02:23.29 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: yah ;). it's the action of actually setting it. i do know where it is ;) |
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| 02:24.03 | deepfrze | Roxwell: click on the "logout" button and choose your choice |
| 02:24.06 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: export TZ=EST05EDT |
| 02:24.14 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: but you know that. :-) |
| 02:24.32 | Roxwell | deepfrze, well, i would be right now i have xdm set and it doesn't let me choose |
| 02:24.34 | random0ne | can anyone recommend a good player for streaming mp3s? xmms is buggy with streaming media. i've been using xine...but i'm not excited about the interface. |
| 02:24.34 | simonrvn | yes. isn't it EST-05EDT ? |
| 02:24.38 | simonrvn | no.. |
| 02:24.48 | pills | cafuego: you around bud |
| 02:24.53 | MobyTurbo | simonrvn: no, no minus sign. |
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| 02:25.10 | simonrvn | you're right :) |
| 02:25.24 | simonrvn | (02:19:%) export TZ=EST05EDT (lun,sep20) |
| 02:25.31 | simonrvn | (22:24:%) (dim,sep19) |
| 02:25.34 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 02:25.37 | verve | hey guys.. i'm in debian install.. just wondering which filesystem's performing the best in general these days.. ext3, reiser or xfs |
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| 02:25.40 | verve | comments? |
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| 02:25.52 | deepfrze | Roxwell: what do you want to exit from, gnome or xdm? |
| 02:25.59 | Roxwell | gnome |
| 02:26.04 | simonrvn | verve: forget reiserfs, IMO |
| 02:26.04 | MrP | Does anyone know where I can change the default program to open a certain file type? |
| 02:26.07 | Roxwell | and goto standard command prompt |
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| 02:26.19 | verve | simonrvn: i remember 'bout a year ago, i wanted to try XFS |
| 02:26.19 | Roxwell | but i need gnome to exit not just switch |
| 02:26.30 | verve | ran slack on ext3.. |
| 02:26.31 | random0ne | Roxwell: can you hit ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 02:26.49 | Roxwell | lol i need it to EXIT |
| 02:26.50 | Roxwell | close |
| 02:26.53 | Roxwell | quit |
| 02:26.57 | Roxwell | completely |
| 02:27.02 | MobyTurbo | MrP: if it's a script the first line is #!/bin/scriptprogram |
| 02:27.15 | Roxwell | nvm, i'll just restart |
| 02:27.15 | random0ne | Roxwell: not familiar with gnome. you can't exit xdm without stopping the xdm service |
| 02:27.15 | pills | im trying to get my wireless pcmcia card to work, with iwconfig it seems like it is picking up my access point correctly, but I cant access the internet |
| 02:27.17 | abrotman | Roxwell: isn't there an Actions menu at the top? |
| 02:27.33 | MrP | MobyTurbo: No, I just need to change what program opens .mpg, .wmv, etc |
| 02:27.42 | Roxwell | action logout will take you to xdm where the only thing you can do is log back in |
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| 02:27.47 | verve | oh, or JFS.. |
| 02:27.50 | verve | didn't see that one |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.01 | simonrvn | jfs is improved so i hear |
| 02:28.06 | dob | seems that anacron don't work, it runs only at the time in /etc/crontab, if the pc is not on at this time when i power on it the anacron job don't start, why? |
| 02:28.12 | MobyTurbo | MrP: there is no such thing system-wide. |
| 02:28.16 | verve | hrm |
| 02:28.34 | dob | no sorry the time in /etc/cron.d/anacron |
| 02:28.48 | MrP | MobyTurbo: The first time I was asked what I wanted to open it with, it had an option to make it the default program |
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| 02:28.55 | MobyTurbo | MrP: maybe you can tell nautilus or konqueror to do it for certain files. |
| 02:28.55 | mynullvoid | hi |
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| 02:29.05 | simonrvn | verve: i've been using xfs for about 2 years. no major catastrophes IME. some folks have had problems with it. i intend to try out jfs in the near future |
| 02:29.11 | simonrvn | verve: don't /msg me |
| 02:29.13 | mynullvoid | how can I get gnome 2.8 from debian? |
| 02:29.20 | MobyTurbo | MrP: but there's no such thing as a standard. |
| 02:29.24 | greycat | !topicsmite mynullvoid |
| 02:29.25 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mynullvoid. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 02:29.33 | verve | simonrvn: i'm on an ibm thinkpad i1400 |
| 02:29.34 | verve | if that matters |
| 02:29.43 | verve | any laptop-centric problems with any of 'em? |
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| 02:30.10 | gravity | AVAST! |
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| 02:30.27 | MrP | MobyTurbo: When I was downloading an video clip of a stereo competition, Mozilla downloaded it, and made totem open it, and it keeps crashing. So I want to change it to open with something else. What would handle that association? |
| 02:30.27 | MobyTurbo | gtg get caffiene |
| 02:30.49 | dob | seems that anacron works like cron, it runs the job only at a determinated time |
| 02:30.56 | abrotman | !woodchuck |
| 02:30.56 | dpkg | i heard woodchuck is a woodchuck, a little animal that doesnt chuck wood |
| 02:31.02 | MobyTurbo | MrP: Mozilla has settings to determine "helper applications". Look there. |
| 02:31.09 | MrP | ok |
| 02:32.04 | maher | dob: anacron should run the job - but it might wait a bit before running it - and it won't run things more often than once a day if they're in cron.daily etc |
| 02:32.07 | mynullvoid | what I mean is how can I get debian experimantal gnome 2.8 via apt? |
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| 02:32.32 | dob | maher: i mean the jobs on /etc/cron.daily |
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| 02:33.05 | maher | dob: how long have you waited to see if they run - and how long has it been since they were run |
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| 02:33.14 | dob | maher: more than 1 day |
| 02:33.20 | paul | wondering if its my irc client or i dont have right font on my debian box but everything is in ascii? |
| 02:33.45 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: thank you BTW. i didn't do that before =) |
| 02:34.12 | dob | maher: it seems that it works like cron, not anacron, it runs only at the time in /etc/cron.d/anacron |
| 02:34.25 | maher | dob: how long has the machibe been on |
| 02:34.37 | simonrvn | paul: i would hope everything is at least in ascii, or some other charset... |
| 02:34.51 | dob | maher: about 12h |
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| 02:35.16 | paul | yeh but my bx titlebar is just jibberish ascii and not coming out as the proper lines. |
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| 02:35.28 | dob | maher: but the last cron.daily job was made more than 1 day before |
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| 02:36.53 | maher | dob: ok - dunno - anacron works for me |
| 02:38.03 | orkid | hi, i'm confused. I want to install sarge, but i'm confused about which images to boot with. i want to boot from HD, and then install sarge over the network. i understand i need to get the debian installer boot images first. but which ones? netboot? i thought that was for booting off the net? hd-image? but i thought that was for sarge ISOs located on an HD (not just the installer). ?? |
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| 02:38.29 | orkid | (hd-image == hd-media) |
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| 02:38.44 | paul | exit |
| 02:38.50 | dob | maher: i had reset the bios and the time was reset to an old time, after this i set up the right time , can be this a cause of this problem? |
| 02:38.59 | Sandman | One of my user accounts doesn't have permission to use xfree86. From what I saw, it looks like it needs to be added to the "video" group. The appropriate syntax for the /etc/group file is to just append the username to the end of the line of which group you want to add it to, correct? |
| 02:39.03 | xeon | Can anyone recommend some lightwight window managers? XFce4 is even too slow for my 400mhz K6-2 |
| 02:39.06 | maher | dob: could be |
| 02:39.11 | gravity | pwm |
| 02:39.19 | cartel | hey all |
| 02:39.20 | xeon | And Firefox is way too slow, is there a lightwight browser, too? |
| 02:39.22 | cartel | anyone use hylafax here? |
| 02:39.28 | maher | cartel: dillo |
| 02:39.32 | dob | maher: ok |
| 02:39.33 | deepfrze | what do I need to do to get cpu temp on my KSensors display, I don't see it in the config screen? running 2.6.7 |
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| 02:39.39 | maher | cartel: oops |
| 02:39.39 | mrwill | Sandman: might try using usermod utility if you don't want to remember syntax, but think you are correct. |
| 02:39.40 | cartel | xeon: evil |
| 02:39.45 | maher | xeon: dillo |
| 02:39.45 | rares000 | not dillo |
| 02:39.48 | rares000 | dillo bad |
| 02:40.10 | rares000 | epiphany |
| 02:40.12 | abrotman | ew |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | that's too much |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | i know .. links |
| 02:40.28 | xeon | I'd preferably have somehting pretty + fast... |
| 02:40.34 | xeon | Don't worry too much about memory... |
| 02:40.37 | locust | haha i remember dillo |
| 02:40.37 | abrotman | opera? ... maybe? |
| 02:40.45 | xeon | I've heard of dillo before... |
| 02:40.45 | rares000 | epiphany is gecko + gtk |
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| 02:40.53 | rares000 | firefox is gecko + XUL |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | xeon: try a static opera build |
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| 02:41.12 | rares000 | epiphany is fast |
| 02:41.31 | abrotman | pushy aren't we? |
| 02:41.46 | orkid | (hd-image == hd-media) |
| 02:41.49 | orkid | hi, i'm confused. I want to install sarge, but i'm confused about which images to boot with. i want to boot from HD, and then install sarge over the network. i understand i need to get the debian installer boot images first. but which ones? netboot? i thought that was for booting off the net? hd-image? but i thought that was for sarge ISOs located on an HD (not just the installer). ?? |
| 02:41.55 | gravity | tcl + gecko... <shudder> |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:41.57 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 02:42.04 | rares000 | epiphany!epiphany!epiphany! <- that's pushy |
| 02:42.16 | zignig | orkid: their are lots of ways to boot the new d-i |
| 02:42.20 | gravity | orkid: You want the bizcard image |
| 02:42.26 | zignig | orkid: you can even install onto a usb-key. |
| 02:42.33 | rares000 | or BitchX loves epiphany don't you? |
| 02:42.48 | orkid | gravity: ok, so bizcard image on the hd, and boot using kernel/initrd from where? (netboot? hd-media?) |
| 02:43.03 | abrotman | rares000: except you got the package name wrong |
| 02:43.07 | gravity | orkid: Oh, you want to boot from the HD? I don't recall how to do that... |
| 02:43.17 | gravity | I'm not sure you can really |
| 02:43.20 | rares000 | bah |
| 02:43.25 | orkid | gravity: yeah, no cdr (i'm behind eh? lol) |
| 02:43.27 | orkid | tx |
| 02:43.36 | gravity | orkid: Get the floppy images |
| 02:43.44 | gravity | orkid: That's your best bet iirc |
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| 02:44.14 | orkid | gravity: yeah, there aren't that many ofem :) thanks. |
| 02:44.25 | gravity | orkid: No problem |
| 02:44.35 | gravity | orkid: Oh, and if you've got a USB keychain I'd go that route |
| 02:44.41 | gravity | orkid: If not, then the floppies |
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| 02:44.54 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 02:44.54 | dpkg | methinks useless factoids is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 02:45.11 | gravity | Is that meant to be ironic? |
| 02:45.31 | abrotman | gravity: wishful thinking i suppose |
| 02:45.49 | orkid | gravity: i'm reaaaally behind ;) no usbkey either. i like booting a grub floppy, and then booting whatever kernel i want off whatever HD. but i just don't know what kernel image of d-i to boot so that i can later do an install from the net. (perhaps it's netboot, but that might be purely for tftp, bootp, etc). |
| 02:45.50 | rares000 | c'mon knoppix owns you |
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| 02:46.36 | rares000 | netinst installs base packages then later you go from net |
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| 02:46.46 | gravity | orkid: It shouldn't matter, especially if it's such an old machine. Just get the floppy images and insatll. It'll pull everything from the net during install aside from the bare base |
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| 02:47.42 | orkid | rares000: but you need to boot it. i don't have a cdr to burn it. i was thinking of pullin the kernel/initrd from the iso (using isobuster), booting that kernel, but then how to get the rest out of the iso? i think i'll just give the floopies a try (if i can find enough that work!) |
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| 02:48.19 | orkid | hmmmmmm, what's the access directory under the 'floppy' directory? it seems to have copies of the boot, cd-drivers, net-drices, root floppy images... wwwweird? |
| 02:48.29 | rares000 | orkid go use Qnx then the whole thing fits on a floppy |
| 02:48.42 | rares000 | :) |
| 02:48.48 | Sandman | traceroute: Warning: findsaddr: error sending netlink message: Connection refused |
| 02:48.52 | Sandman | Anyone seem that before? |
| 02:48.59 | dob | bye |
| 02:49.05 | orkid | i have an HD, i've progressed that far in computer technology (and the internet to boot, woohoo!) |
| 02:49.15 | rares000 | sandman lot's of places do not like traceroutes |
| 02:49.30 | abrotman | rares000: so does linux |
| 02:49.32 | zignig | rares000: whick is a royal pita. |
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| 02:49.44 | pills_ | im trying to get my wireless pcmcia card to work, with iwconfig it seems like it is picking up my access point correctly, but I cant access the internet |
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