| 00:00.05 | cs-f00 | are there any really good tutorials or anything |
| 00:00.05 | cs-f00 | ??? how you know? |
| 00:00.11 | cafuego | scabbers: The IBM servers? ;-) |
| 00:00.18 | rares000 | scabbers get a pegasoppc.com machine |
| 00:00.42 | rares000 | perl5 by example is online |
| 00:00.54 | rares000 | really good book |
| 00:01.04 | MerlinCorey | cs-f00: 'cause i r hekker... now email dr.kaos@kaos.to with your question and he will gladly show you the way... |
| 00:01.41 | cafuego | MerlinCorey: Stop posting my email on a public irc channel. |
| 00:01.41 | ec | :) |
| 00:01.42 | dondelelcaro | scabbers: http://www.ultraspec.us/pegasos.htm ? |
| 00:01.55 | scabbers | dondelelcaro: thatnks that is the one |
| 00:01.57 | cs-f00 | really |
| 00:02.08 | MerlinCorey | cafuego: except you're not the dc404 leader :/ |
| 00:02.12 | cs-f00 | Private chat with me Corey |
| 00:02.17 | MerlinCorey | cs-f00: no... |
| 00:02.17 | scabbers | dondelelcaro: will those run OS X? |
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| 00:02.47 | MerlinCorey | cs-f00: email that guy, he'll tell you where to go, when to go there, and you go there, sit and listen, and try to help... you'll learn if you're worth it... |
| 00:02.54 | cs-f00 | k |
| 00:03.05 | initech | gentoo officially supports the "america's army" propoganda game ... am I the only person who finds this repulsive? |
| 00:03.31 | cafuego | initech: probably. Others do find gentoo repulsive as well, though. |
| 00:03.38 | sussudio | initech: be quiet and bomb people into the stone age. |
| 00:03.38 | rares000 | dr.kaos er why does that sound like a redirect to goatse |
| 00:03.40 | dondelelcaro | scabbers: no. |
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| 00:03.49 | MerlinCorey | it's not a propaganda game... it's a fun game where everyone does drugs and shoots each other... |
| 00:03.58 | dondelelcaro | scabbers: well, most likely not. You might be able to get it to work in mol |
| 00:04.35 | sussudio | cafuego: much like at ozzfest |
| 00:04.44 | rares000 | why can't we just have like a major president and all the soldiers be minor presidents |
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| 00:04.59 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: The website mentions mac-on-linux, so i expect it would indeed run OK in mol. |
| 00:05.12 | Matt|CS| | does anyone know if there is a apt-get package for c++ documentation? |
| 00:05.22 | sussudio | !tell Matt|CS| about search |
| 00:05.26 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, I'd expect so too, but I'm not 100% certain... |
| 00:05.38 | Matt|CS| | sussudio: I've already searched like a million and half options |
| 00:05.49 | cafuego | a 1GHz G4 is a bit slow though, don't they have a 1.8GHz model? |
| 00:05.59 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, I think so. |
| 00:06.03 | Matt|CS| | don't you think if I asked for a specific package of information I would have already found it? |
| 00:06.04 | initech | shit 1ghz is plenty |
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| 00:06.20 | Matt|CS| | since I have never asked for a package name before |
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| 00:06.46 | MerlinCorey | Matt|CS|: I don't remember you, so, I can't vouch for that... |
| 00:07.04 | MerlinCorey | Matt|CS|: there IS a package that has development man pages... |
| 00:07.31 | NyteOwl | anyone use Jabber? Client recommendations? |
| 00:07.34 | dondelelcaro | MerlinCorey: the only thing that comes close is the cpp documentation packages. |
| 00:07.39 | citral | cafuego, actually my G3 366Mhz performs like a =~ 500Mhz pentium, so a 1GHz G4 should be a nice power cow |
| 00:07.39 | dondelelcaro | NyteOwl: gaim works fairly well. |
| 00:07.49 | Matt|CS| | MerlinCorey: would you mind giving me a hint on the name of that package? |
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| 00:08.14 | deadcat | citral: ya. i just got the dell L400, but gonna sell it and get a G3 or G4 instead (= |
| 00:08.18 | rares000 | gaim IRC is borken thanks to gtk2 list box being slower than a Z80 |
| 00:08.18 | cartman | NyteOwl: kopete |
| 00:08.22 | NyteOwl | hmmm thanks |
| 00:08.27 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I think the g4 is up to like 1.5 or something... the g5 is up to 2.25 or so |
| 00:08.37 | MerlinCorey | Matt|CS|: I don't know it off the top of my heard, either, and I'd have to apt-cache search it out... |
| 00:08.51 | NyteOwl | I haven't looked at gaim since I still haven't managed to move my ICQ dtabase to the new version :( |
| 00:09.24 | mohohaha | your ICQ database? |
| 00:09.39 | cafuego | citral: it should be, yes. |
| 00:09.50 | MerlinCorey | dondelelcaro: why do people use trillian for IRC - same thing :/ |
| 00:09.58 | dexter | anyone here familiar with enlightenment? |
| 00:10.01 | KarlosII | dondelelcaro, and aren't the g5's dual cpu? |
| 00:10.01 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: No, Apple sold at least Dual 1.6GHz G4s... so they can do 1.6GHz min. |
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| 00:10.27 | cafuego | I do think the 1.8 were the midrange G5s actually |
| 00:10.30 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, could be... the 1.5's that I know about are the mobile versions, anyway. |
| 00:10.39 | Matt|CS| | MerlinCorey: does this name ring a bell? libstdc++6-dev?? |
| 00:10.49 | directhex | 1.6 g5 powermac used to be the bottom end, it's not anymore |
| 00:11.04 | MerlinCorey | Matt|CS|: that's a library header file collection, or so, iirc |
| 00:11.28 | Matt|CS| | libstdc++6-dev - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (development files) |
| 00:11.36 | MerlinCorey | Matt|CS|: look for what dondelelcaro said... what I was talking about was manpages-dev or something, and not c++ related, necessarily... |
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| 00:12.27 | cafuego | directhex: it is, in the imac. |
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| 00:12.52 | Matt|CS| | c-cpp-reference - C and C++ programming reference |
| 00:13.02 | MerlinCorey | Matt|CS|: good job :) |
| 00:13.03 | directhex | cafuego, an improvement? i should think so, i tried using a g3 550 to watch a basic video file & it was hopeless compared to a 350mhz k6-2. urgh. |
| 00:13.08 | Matt|CS| | to bad it's already installed |
| 00:13.14 | Matt|CS| | and I don't have the pages for some reason |
| 00:13.45 | citral | heh, G4 begins at 400 MHz |
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| 00:13.53 | cafuego | directhex: Um, you must have not had enough ram. The G3 here has no problems whatsoever with full screen video (and Final Cut Pro video editing for that matter) |
| 00:14.20 | boboy | ever since i re-installed winxp .. and i did a chroot using knoppix before doing a /sbin/lilo . .i've been getting a kernel panic : unable to mount root fs on 03:02 |
| 00:14.22 | jharrison | cafuego: nice. g5 is 64 bit right? |
| 00:14.24 | cafuego | directhex: Or did yours have one of those crap nvidia cards? |
| 00:14.25 | MerlinCorey | Matt|CS|: dunno about that package, maybe it's in /usr/share/doc somewhere..? |
| 00:14.33 | citral | directhex, that's the video card or the codec, not the cpu |
| 00:14.36 | cafuego | jharrison: yeah, 64bit-ish |
| 00:14.39 | jharrison | cafuego: we just installed a xserver g5 the other day in the data centre |
| 00:14.48 | jharrison | cafuego: it has pretty blue lights |
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| 00:14.57 | cafuego | Blinkenlights! |
| 00:15.07 | jharrison | yeah they blink |
| 00:15.09 | jharrison | :-P |
| 00:15.52 | directhex | cafuego, buggered if i know, i just know of the three macs i've tried to use in the past year, one (g3 imac) was unuseable for video from cold-boot, one (g4 powermac) was okay bar almost zero network throughput (courtesy an apple extreme base station), and one (g5 powermac) had completely fucked audio output (gave up on VLC or MPlayer, neither would play more than garbage) |
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| 00:16.49 | kdog | anyone had any luck with APC UPS units with the USB cable? |
| 00:17.23 | dondelelcaro | Matt|CS|: that package is html pages only. No manpages at all. |
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| 00:17.32 | directhex | kdog, i hope so, we're looking at gettingm one at work |
| 00:17.39 | Matt|CS| | :/ |
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| 00:17.49 | Matt|CS| | I found that one though, thanks anyways |
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| 00:18.59 | sussudio | !tell kdog about polls |
| 00:19.01 | Karhuton | What's this tmpfs in /dev/shm ?! |
| 00:19.06 | ZenithDK | is there some way to find out what program appends new mail to my /var/mail files? |
| 00:19.21 | ZenithDK | I have fetchmail installed, but it's configured for my homedir |
| 00:19.36 | ZenithDK | and ditto is evolution |
| 00:19.58 | valdyn | ZenithDK: your MTA, prolly exim since it is default |
| 00:20.32 | jharrison | we going burnin and lootin tonight |
| 00:20.49 | ZenithDK | valdyn: uninstalled exim and installed postfix instead |
| 00:21.32 | valdyn | ZenithDK: so it is postfix then |
| 00:22.04 | ZenithDK | hmmm....ok |
| 00:22.25 | ZenithDK | I thought only fetchmail fetched mail, why would postfix do that?? |
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| 00:23.39 | valdyn | ZenithDK: postfix doesnt fetch mail, it deals with mail it gets via network or the "sendmail" command, which too is part of postix ( or about any MTA ) |
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| 00:24.27 | rellik | what do I need to apt-get so that I can 'man 2/3 printf' ? |
| 00:24.33 | valdyn | ZenithDK: listens at some port to recieve mail ( 25 ) |
| 00:24.34 | bobol | after re-installing winxp .. i think my debian partition changed from /dev/hda2 to /dev/hda3 ..is that possible ? |
| 00:24.39 | jharrison | you cant tell the women from the men |
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| 00:26.04 | kdog | OK, is there a package that will handle a APC UPS with a USB cable? apcupsd doesn't like /dev/ttyUSB1 as a serial port. |
| 00:26.08 | citral | c-cpp-reference is a *very* good job |
| 00:26.16 | ZenithDK | valdyn: I know postfix *sends* the mail, and fetchmail, well, fetches it :-), but I just can't figure out why you're saying that it could be postfix dropping me mail in the /var/mail/* files, when it's mail that fetchmail has been configured to get |
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| 00:27.07 | jharrison | helix: :) |
| 00:27.26 | helix | jharrison: we are about to get fucked |
| 00:27.38 | jharrison | helix: um that doesnt sound good |
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| 00:27.50 | jharrison | helix: unless you mean by your husband or something |
| 00:27.56 | helix | I mean by the hurricane |
| 00:28.03 | jharrison | helix: we are in the beginning of it right now |
| 00:28.10 | jharrison | its getting pretty bad outside |
| 00:28.15 | rares000 | hurricane where now? |
| 00:28.26 | helix | rares000: off the coast of florida.. |
| 00:28.29 | jharrison | bahamas |
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| 00:28.39 | trumee | does anybody uses ices here for streaming? |
| 00:28.44 | jharrison | its about 300 or 400 miles from fl I think |
| 00:28.50 | valdyn | ZenithDK: postfix sends and also recieves, if your fetchmailed fetched mail ends up at that file then fetchmail is either appending it directly or forwarding it to the postfix server, or using "sendmail" |
| 00:28.55 | trumee | i am wondering if a playlist can be reloaded without killing the ices server? |
| 00:29.25 | rares000 | ok /me suggests the government move Florida closer to Connecticut so I can go on vacation every weekend |
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| 00:29.32 | jharrison | helix: dont worry its just a little sissy ass cat 2 |
| 00:29.37 | jharrison | helix: oh wait |
| 00:29.40 | helix | jharrison: heh. |
| 00:29.40 | citral | rares000, heh |
| 00:29.43 | jharrison | helix: you are in FL thats a big deal to you guys |
| 00:29.50 | jharrison | helix: those paper huts you people live in |
| 00:29.51 | jharrison | :-P |
| 00:29.56 | ZenithDK | valdyn: ok, thanks, so I guess we can narrow it down to postfix then, will have a look ;) |
| 00:30.11 | helix | jharrison: well, frances was a tropical storm when it hit where I live and still managed to knock out power in most of the city for several days |
| 00:30.24 | jharrison | helix: I doubt a 100 mile an hour hurricane would even keep the people here in doors |
| 00:30.34 | jharrison | helix: ouch |
| 00:30.40 | valdyn | ZenithDK: mm, i think narrow it down to fetchmail and make sure it dumps all mail directly into whichever file you wish |
| 00:30.55 | jharrison | helix: well hopefully jeane wont strengthen over our warm waters before it gets to you |
| 00:31.06 | jharrison | helix: or hopefully it wont get to you |
| 00:31.09 | jharrison | thats even better |
| 00:31.11 | ZenithDK | valdyn: ok, will look there first |
| 00:31.15 | helix | yeah, hopefully |
| 00:31.31 | jharrison | why |
| 00:31.36 | jharrison | I guess its for the best |
| 00:31.42 | jharrison | ive never left for a hurricane |
| 00:31.49 | helix | because I like taking road trips with my cat. |
| 00:31.53 | jharrison | hehe |
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| 00:32.16 | valdyn | ZenithDK: you need something like this in your fetchmailrc "mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d $USER" |
| 00:32.35 | jharrison | helix: you should carry on like luitenant dan |
| 00:32.49 | Karhuton | Luitenant? |
| 00:32.57 | valdyn | ZenithDK: though you dont need to use procmail, it needs instructions how to sort your mail.. |
| 00:33.01 | jharrison | did I spell it wrong or something? |
| 00:33.12 | jharrison | anyways that dude from forest gump |
| 00:33.27 | helix | lieutenant, I think |
| 00:33.39 | jharrison | well as long as you get my meaning |
| 00:33.40 | Karhuton | Lieutenant I'd guess too :) |
| 00:33.46 | helix | anyway, I'm not too concerned about it right now. I have to find blogs for my mom to read. |
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| 00:34.03 | helix | they keep talking about bloggers on the news and it has piqued her interest |
| 00:34.04 | jharrison | im bahamian. its totally legal in our language structure to mis-spell words :-P |
| 00:34.55 | jetscreamer | helix, let me msg you a channel that's totally into blogging |
| 00:35.05 | jharrison | if you want to be totally bahamian any word that begins with a w switch it with a v and vice versa |
| 00:35.08 | helix | jetscreamer: chill, I don't need a *channel* |
| 00:35.17 | helix | I just need to find some halfway decent political blogs |
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| 00:35.47 | MegaByte | Hey guys! |
| 00:35.49 | jetscreamer | heh... |
| 00:35.59 | MegaByte | I have a serious problem with cdrecord... |
| 00:36.00 | helix | maybe I should refer her to planet debian |
| 00:36.18 | jharrison | MegaByte: you should fix it |
| 00:36.38 | jharrison | MegaByte: your buddy Gigabyte was just in here saying the same thing |
| 00:36.52 | jetscreamer | well it was just a channel to find the blogs of some very intelligent ppl, nm |
| 00:37.16 | MegaByte | jharrison: The problem is that my 683mb file gets recorded as a 783mb file... |
| 00:37.22 | jharrison | jetscreamer: in the abundance of water the fool is thirsty |
| 00:37.26 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 00:39.49 | helix | jetscreamer: ok, well.. give it to me, I guess :) |
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| 00:40.41 | cafuego | helix: foxnews.com |
| 00:40.42 | MegaByte | jharrison: Here! |
| 00:40.44 | MegaByte | Track 01: data 681 MB |
| 00:40.44 | MegaByte | Total size: 782 MB (77:33.04) = 348978 sectors |
| 00:41.02 | helix | cafuego: that's where she heard about bloggers :) |
| 00:41.10 | citral | MegaByte, that's because of your nick |
| 00:41.25 | helix | "what's a blogger? where can I read blogs?" |
| 00:41.30 | MegaByte | citral: :P |
| 00:41.50 | MegaByte | Well, does anyone have anyclue about what is going on? |
| 00:42.00 | cafuego | helix: She can download sbs from my website. |
| 00:42.10 | helix | cafuego: heh. yeah, my mom blogging. |
| 00:42.13 | citral | MegaByte, do a "df -h" on the original file to see |
| 00:42.15 | helix | she would love that |
| 00:42.21 | cafuego | helix: *nodnod* SBS is nice & simple. |
| 00:42.22 | jharrison | MegaByte: dont jump in the water if you cant swim |
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| 00:42.59 | citral | MegaByte, sorry I'm tired I mean ls -h |
| 00:43.04 | ZenithDK | valdyn: it's not fetchmail, because it attaches a header "From something....." to all mail, and these does not have it |
| 00:43.09 | MegaByte | citral: I'll show you... |
| 00:43.11 | MerlinCorey | [20:22] <Vyrus001> and i dont want to spend a nother 3 days compileing a gentoo install |
| 00:43.11 | MerlinCorey | [20:22] <&MerlinCorey> so install debian.. |
| 00:43.14 | MerlinCorey | </evil> |
| 00:43.27 | MegaByte | root@zero /home/x1/Imagens/Iso$ ls -l MaxPayne_new.iso |
| 00:43.27 | MegaByte | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 714702848 Set 24 18:48 MaxPayne_new.iso |
| 00:43.36 | MegaByte | df -h shows: |
| 00:43.47 | MegaByte | root@zero /home/x1/Imagens/Iso$ du -h -s MaxPayne_new.iso |
| 00:43.47 | MegaByte | 683M MaxPayne_new.iso |
| 00:44.01 | jharrison | helix: at least jeane has not turned yet |
| 00:44.09 | jharrison | helix: that might work out well for you |
| 00:44.10 | ZenithDK | valdyn: I think it's because of debconf's configuration, it asked me where to send all mail for the root user to, and I think I said 'myuser', and I guess it just assumes /var/mail/myuser as default....so now I need to figure out how to change this |
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| 00:44.30 | helix | jharrison: yeah, we'll see.. |
| 00:44.45 | ZenithDK | valdyn: ups, forgot to show all headers in mutt ;) |
| 00:44.47 | jharrison | helix: really I wish it would just not hit FL |
| 00:44.54 | jharrison | helix: you poor people cant handle another hurricane |
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| 00:44.59 | helix | yeah :/ |
| 00:45.05 | valdyn | ZenithDK: so only some of your mail, only the mail which is sent by your system is put into /var/mail/myuser? |
| 00:45.06 | jharrison | oh what a rat race |
| 00:45.21 | ZenithDK | it DOES go through fetchmail apparently? hmmm...I'm lost then....my /etc/fetchmailrc has nothing in it about /var/mail/myuser |
| 00:45.55 | citral | MegaByte, I don't know really why it's so different, but using gtoaster I noticed that it said 750+ MB, and it passed anyway on a 700MB cd... |
| 00:45.57 | ZenithDK | valdyn: no, it's not mail sent from my system even |
| 00:46.02 | cafuego | MegaByte: Do you think the difference between bits and bytes? |
| 00:46.15 | cafuego | s/think/know/ |
| 00:46.38 | cafuego | MegaByte: Or actually, the difference between 1000 and 1024? |
| 00:46.52 | citral | cafuego, 27 ? |
| 00:46.56 | ZenithDK | valdyn: it's really weird, it's only very few of the mails that end up in /var/mail/myuser, the rest ends up in /home/myuser/Mail/some-Maildir-folder/new where I want it....just as I have told procmail to do |
| 00:46.58 | valdyn | ZenithDK: whats your delivery method in fetchmail? I havent really looked into that for years, so all i got is my example : mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d $USER" |
| 00:46.58 | tcsetattr | 1024/1000 doesn't make 681MB into 782MB |
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| 00:47.18 | ZenithDK | yes, exactly, I use procmail as well |
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| 00:47.40 | jharrison | formula rather |
| 00:47.46 | cafuego | tcsetattr: What if you add a 25MB lead-in and a 25Mb lead-out? |
| 00:47.59 | ZenithDK | valdyn: I have 'mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T' |
| 00:48.00 | Ether_Man | jharrison: umm.. /8 perhaps.. |
| 00:48.12 | tcsetattr | !681*1024/1000*1024/1000+25+25 |
| 00:48.12 | dpkg | 764.080256 |
| 00:48.15 | jharrison | Ether_Man: yeah ok well I wan tto see myoptions dude |
| 00:48.29 | cafuego | tcsetattr: Comes close now eh..? |
| 00:48.33 | citral | ZenithDK, mda "/usr/bin/procmail -f fetchmail" or you lose the "from:" |
| 00:48.58 | MegaByte | cafuego: I know... but here it says the file length is 683mb... |
| 00:49.07 | jharrison | ok thats enough bob. time for something else |
| 00:49.14 | ndee | where's the "normal" location for installing applications like firefox? Isn't it /usr/local/? |
| 00:49.14 | valdyn | ZenithDK: i suspect your procmail is doing "crap" then |
| 00:49.20 | ZenithDK | citral: what do you mean? I have 'from: someone@somewhere.com' in all my mails |
| 00:49.29 | ZenithDK | valdyn: it actually looks like they are all dupes |
| 00:49.34 | ZenithDK | so it delivers both places |
| 00:49.37 | MegaByte | citral: And I don't get what you said.,.. it said what about a 700+ MB: |
| 00:49.57 | ndee | and does it matter if I install firefox as root or as normal user? |
| 00:50.20 | jharrison | ndee: just aptitude install mozilla-firefox |
| 00:50.28 | cafuego | ndee: Depends on whether you want the install to succeed or fail |
| 00:50.30 | MegaByte | ndee: If you install it as an user, firefox will be only available to your user account. |
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| 00:50.43 | ndee | jharrison: is it the newest version? |
| 00:50.50 | valdyn | ZenithDK: ok - some procmail export might be able to help you there - but it wont hurt to just create an almost empty procmailrc with only "DEFAULT=/path/to/my/inbox" |
| 00:50.52 | jharrison | 0.9.3-5 |
| 00:50.52 | MegaByte | ndee: (You'll be forced to install it into your normal folder) |
| 00:50.53 | ZenithDK | valdyn: no, not dupes apparently |
| 00:50.54 | jharrison | I think |
| 00:51.08 | valdyn | s/export/export/ |
| 00:51.14 | valdyn | s/export/expert/ |
| 00:51.18 | cafuego | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 00:51.18 | ZenithDK | valdyn: ok, thanks |
| 00:51.24 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 0.9.3-5 (sid), Packaged size: 9607 kB, Installed size: 28024 kB |
| 00:51.33 | jharrison | ndee: there is a way to get dpkg to tell you |
| 00:51.35 | jharrison | hhmmmm |
| 00:51.39 | ZenithDK | will look further into it some time later, I am too busted now |
| 00:51.40 | jharrison | cafuego: nice |
| 00:51.41 | jharrison | :-P |
| 00:51.48 | ZenithDK | valdyn: thanks for your help |
| 00:51.51 | ZenithDK | nite |
| 00:51.57 | ndee | ok, made that aptitude thingie :D |
| 00:52.07 | jharrison | ndee: much easier isnt it? |
| 00:52.09 | valdyn | ZenithDK: nite |
| 00:52.39 | ndee | jharrison: true ;) |
| 00:53.37 | ndee | jharrison: but it's not the newest version, the new "find" box is AWESOME :D |
| 00:53.53 | jharrison | ndee: patience |
| 00:54.09 | ndee | jharrison: I guess so ;) |
| 00:54.14 | jharrison | ndee: 1.0 will be in sid shortly |
| 00:54.50 | ndee | jharrison: hopefully also soon in sarge ;) |
| 00:54.58 | jharrison | ndee: ah |
| 00:55.03 | jharrison | ndee: you could install it if you like |
| 00:55.18 | jharrison | ndee: its not difficult to install it |
| 00:55.38 | ndee | jharrison: I know, I tried the installer with root but it told me that it can't connect to display 0:0 or something like that. |
| 00:55.59 | jharrison | ndee: were you trying to run it as root? or install it as root? |
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| 00:56.25 | ndee | jharrison: I tried to install it as root |
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| 00:57.09 | jharrison | ndee: ok well thats a security feature of X that will not allow you to aquire a display for root running a program from X running as a normal user |
| 00:57.15 | jharrison | ndee: does that make sense to you? |
| 00:57.39 | sussudio | !confuse ndee |
| 00:57.39 | ndee | jharrison: kinda, I just thought that root can do just about EVERYTHING :D |
| 00:57.39 | dpkg | yes, how are your pants yesterday, ndee? by order of the people's republic of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 00:57.54 | jharrison | ndee: in other words if you are logged into your X as a normal user and then from command line you su to root and try to run something that wants to display a GUI it will give that error |
| 00:58.10 | ndee | jharrison: so I have to login to X as root? |
| 00:58.12 | jharrison | ndee: so you can install it to your home directory as a normal user |
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| 00:58.29 | ndee | it'll only be me anyway who's using the notebook so |
| 00:58.33 | jharrison | ndee: or yes you can run X as root to do the install for global |
| 00:58.39 | ndee | ah ok |
| 00:58.49 | NyteOwl | ndee: a user sued to root I= root |
| 00:58.49 | NyteOwl | er != |
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| 00:59.15 | jharrison | ndee: you can easily do a ctrl+alt+f1 and log in as root and just do a startx :1 |
| 00:59.31 | ndee | NyteOwl: I know :) |
| 00:59.36 | jharrison | ndee: that will open a X session on f8 as root |
| 00:59.45 | jharrison | ndee: then you woudlnt even have to log out of your current x session |
| 00:59.46 | ndee | jharrison: and startx :2 would be on f9? |
| 01:00.00 | jharrison | ndee: just ctrl+alt+backspace when you are done to kill the session |
| 01:00.07 | jharrison | ndee: not sure |
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| 01:00.13 | jharrison | ndee: try it and see |
| 01:00.18 | ndee | gonna try :D |
| 01:00.35 | Ether_Man | depends on what's on the consoles already |
| 01:00.57 | ndee | jharrison: it tells me the server is already active for display 0 |
| 01:01.12 | jharrison | ndee: did you do startx :1? |
| 01:01.15 | ndee | yes |
| 01:01.20 | jharrison | ndee: what about :2 |
| 01:01.32 | ndee | same error |
| 01:01.35 | OctalTHOR | I think you have to do startx -- :1 ? |
| 01:01.42 | jharrison | OctalTHOR: yeah |
| 01:01.45 | jharrison | ndee: sorry |
| 01:01.48 | jharrison | ndee: I forgot the -- |
| 01:01.53 | jharrison | ndee: OctalTHOR is right |
| 01:01.55 | ndee | seems like it works with -- :1 :D |
| 01:01.57 | ndee | thanks |
| 01:01.58 | jharrison | ndee: do startx -- :1 |
| 01:02.12 | OctalTHOR | Yeah sure you betcha. |
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| 01:02.17 | jharrison | ndee: welcome to fast user switching |
| 01:02.17 | Markaci | http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0409/bhtorus_esa.jpg |
| 01:02.19 | jharrison | ndee: sort of |
| 01:02.20 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:02.32 | jharrison | ndee: that should tide you over till kde 3.4 |
| 01:02.41 | jharrison | ndee: unless you dont use kde |
| 01:02.54 | ndee | that's actually pretty cool :D |
| 01:03.07 | jharrison | ndee: yeah its not bad is it |
| 01:03.15 | ndee | I am using kde, love it :D so shall I install firefox to /usr/local/firefox? |
| 01:03.34 | jharrison | ndee: sure |
| 01:03.38 | ndee | k |
| 01:03.44 | jharrison | ndee: unless you wish to follow the file system hiearchy standards |
| 01:03.57 | jharrison | ndee: /usr/local should be fine though |
| 01:03.59 | ndee | jharrison: where is such an application normally installed |
| 01:04.10 | jharrison | ndee: if you are installing it yourself /usr/local |
| 01:04.18 | ndee | ok |
| 01:04.25 | jharrison | ndee: if you are packaging for debain there are guidelines to follow |
| 01:04.45 | jharrison | ndee: such as binaries in /usr/bin and libs in /usr/lib etc... |
| 01:04.54 | jharrison | ndee: depends on the package |
| 01:04.56 | ndee | I see |
| 01:05.22 | jharrison | it sure got quiet in here |
| 01:05.34 | Jindrak | yeah, it's amazing... |
| 01:05.49 | jharrison | I feel like im hogging the channel |
| 01:05.55 | ndee | oh well, the setup crashes... |
| 01:06.01 | Jindrak | almost 800 people, none without a question |
| 01:06.03 | Jindrak | oh |
| 01:06.06 | jharrison | ndee: does it give an error? |
| 01:06.18 | Jindrak | s/none/only one |
| 01:06.25 | ndee | "Speicherzugriffsfehler", that means Memory Access Error |
| 01:06.30 | ndee | just that, nothing more. |
| 01:06.32 | Jindrak | bleeeeh |
| 01:06.52 | scarynetworkguy | I have a question. How come I kick so much ass? |
| 01:07.02 | jharrison | ndee: thats strange. I have installed 1.0 |
| 01:07.03 | Jindrak | you have large feet? |
| 01:07.07 | jharrison | ndee: I didnt have the problem |
| 01:07.16 | jharrison | ndee: I installed as normal user though in my home dir |
| 01:07.19 | ndee | now it works |
| 01:07.21 | ndee | so weird |
| 01:07.23 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: cause you are scary |
| 01:07.32 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: :D |
| 01:07.42 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: and cause you are a pirate |
| 01:07.55 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: arrrgh! |
| 01:08.03 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: Aye me matey |
| 01:08.12 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: rum! |
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| 01:08.22 | jharrison | where be me rum |
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| 01:08.57 | scarynetworkguy | One, because it is a vile drink that turns even the most respectable men into complete scoundrels. Two, that signal is over a thousand feet high. The entire Royal Navy is out looking for me, do you really think that there is even the slightest chance that they won't see it |
| 01:09.02 | jharrison | argh! |
| 01:09.11 | jetscreamer | arrrzgh |
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| 01:09.44 | flashzero | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.46 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: nice nice |
| 01:09.46 | Jindrak | this is incredible...#debian without debian-related chat |
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| 01:10.03 | jharrison | Jindrak: ssshhhh |
| 01:10.09 | jharrison | Jindrak: you are gonna get us in trouble |
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| 01:10.38 | Jindrak | jharrison: well, aparrently, there's no one here to complain |
| 01:10.47 | jharrison | Jindrak: they are watching us |
| 01:11.01 | Jindrak | aaah |
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| 01:11.19 | Jindrak | jharrison: well, let's keep it down then |
| 01:11.32 | jharrison | Jindrak: here have some rum |
| 01:11.40 | ndee | now it works, I just love firefox :D |
| 01:11.48 | guestish | anyone know why my mozilla is printing a blowup of the webpage of about 300% |
| 01:11.49 | jharrison | ndee: yeah firefox is nice |
| 01:11.53 | Jindrak | arrrrg |
| 01:11.53 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: there is no run I've already explained that, silly |
| 01:12.07 | Jindrak | cheers matey |
| 01:12.08 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: there is always rum |
| 01:12.10 | guestish | for me at least |
| 01:12.22 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: so is this latest hurricane going to hit near you? |
| 01:12.23 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: this is the bahamas. rum flows through the water pipes just about |
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| 01:12.32 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: yeah its about here now |
| 01:12.33 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: Aye!! |
| 01:12.37 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: windy outside |
| 01:13.07 | Jindrak | batton down the hatches |
| 01:13.14 | jharrison | Jindrak: did that this morning |
| 01:13.14 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: coolness. Out of the last 3 is the first one I don't have to do DR support for. |
| 01:13.25 | jharrison | dr? |
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| 01:13.40 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: where you at? |
| 01:13.43 | jharrison | oh |
| 01:13.44 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: disaster recovery |
| 01:13.53 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: where are you in FL? |
| 01:14.03 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: I'm in Oregon but we have a big data center in FL |
| 01:14.04 | guestish | anyone? |
| 01:14.11 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: ah ok |
| 01:14.18 | jharrison | scarynetworkguy: well we have a big data centre here |
| 01:14.19 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:14.37 | jharrison | guestish: did you check your printer settings |
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| 01:14.45 | jharrison | guestish: maybe the resolution is off |
| 01:15.02 | guestish | jharrison: works fine for every other application i use |
| 01:15.12 | leOn | maybe the page has frames |
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| 01:15.23 | jharrison | guestish: are you using postscript printer driver with mozilla? |
| 01:15.24 | leOn | frames are evil |
| 01:15.32 | guestish | jharrison: even works if i use ps2pdf on the ps output of mozilla's file output |
| 01:15.32 | jharrison | guestish: are you using cups? |
| 01:15.36 | guestish | jharrison: lprng |
| 01:16.14 | jharrison | maybe thats why |
| 01:16.14 | thomas_adam | vi] |
| 01:16.14 | jharrison | I use cups |
| 01:16.14 | guestish | jharrison: cups has the same probelm |
| 01:16.14 | jharrison | oh ok |
| 01:16.14 | guestish | jharrison: i tried it |
| 01:16.14 | guestish | i use ps2pdf on the output and it prints fine |
| 01:16.20 | jharrison | guestish: maybe a bug then? |
| 01:16.24 | guestish | but the raw ps file is borked |
| 01:16.31 | ndee | gooooood nite to everyone :) |
| 01:16.33 | ec | ! |
| 01:16.34 | guestish | jharrison: think i should file a report? |
| 01:16.37 | jharrison | ndee: night |
| 01:16.53 | guestish | bugs been on my comp for...um...a month or so |
| 01:17.04 | jharrison | guestish: have you exhasted all options to rectify the situtation? |
| 01:17.14 | guestish | jharrison: i suppose, unless you have any ideas |
| 01:17.17 | jharrison | guestish: if you feel you have then sure file a bug report |
| 01:17.40 | jharrison | guestish: what are you trying to print? |
| 01:17.41 | guestish | jharrison: yeah, i do, but whenever i file one it always ends up being something obvious 5 seconds right after i file it =\ |
| 01:17.46 | guestish | jharrison: anything really |
| 01:17.55 | guestish | jharrison: doesnt matter what it is |
| 01:17.59 | jharrison | guestish: you using firefox from sid? |
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| 01:18.25 | guestish | jharrison: mozilla suite from sid |
| 01:18.30 | jharrison | oh |
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| 01:18.45 | jharrison | well im not going to install that |
| 01:18.58 | guestish | jharrison: ? |
| 01:19.01 | jharrison | I was going to try printing from mine and see if I get the same problem |
| 01:19.07 | jharrison | but I thought you were using firefox |
| 01:19.09 | guestish | jharrison: oh, let me try firefox |
| 01:19.13 | jharrison | ok |
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| 01:19.58 | guestish | jharrison: same |
| 01:20.09 | jharrison | guestish: ok let me give it a go |
| 01:20.34 | jharrison | guestish: what printer do you have? |
| 01:20.34 | guestish | jharrison: alrighty |
| 01:20.34 | guestish | jharrison: hp deskjet 932c |
| 01:20.34 | jharrison | ive a laserjet 5 |
| 01:20.34 | Jindrak | is in only firefox/mozilla related products or all browsers? |
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| 01:20.40 | jharrison | dont konw if that will make a difference |
| 01:20.43 | guestish | jharrison: i dont think theres a more supported printer |
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| 01:21.23 | guestish | jharrison: hows your printer? |
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| 01:22.20 | helix | hm, I have the same printer, but he left |
| 01:22.26 | netrider | yep |
| 01:22.27 | jharrison | yeah |
| 01:22.37 | helix | loser |
| 01:22.58 | jharrison | mine prints fine it would appear |
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| 01:23.26 | guestish | jharrison: my client crashed |
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| 01:23.28 | guestish | jharrison: so i probably missed anything you said |
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| 01:24.04 | pauliukas | How can I unsistall installed packages? |
| 01:24.25 | Stevie-O | apt-get remove |
| 01:24.25 | Initial_KK | hi everyone, I got really problem, I need to learn how to write a driver for ISA |
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| 01:24.37 | guestish | jharrison: so, hows it print for you |
| 01:24.39 | GNUdeNoob | when i use kde to make a new internet dialup, do i still have to edit a 'secrets' file somewhere? |
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| 01:24.41 | tomb0y | is 10.1.* internal ips ? |
| 01:24.48 | helix | guestish: are you using cups? |
| 01:24.48 | Stevie-O | yes |
| 01:24.52 | jharrison | guestish: fine |
| 01:24.55 | pauliukas | Stevie-O: But is there a function that gives me a list of all the installed packages? |
| 01:25.04 | Stevie-O | dpkg -l |
| 01:25.04 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Stevie-O |
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| 01:25.13 | Stevie-O | pauliukas |
| 01:25.15 | guestish | jharrison: well, maybe im just unlucky |
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| 01:25.17 | guestish | heh |
| 01:25.20 | Initial_KK | any one got any good site about how to write driver or any IRC channel I can ask about driver stuff? |
| 01:25.23 | Randy | peanut |
| 01:25.31 | guestish | jharrison: think i should still go for that error report? |
| 01:25.35 | guestish | Initial_KK: #kernel |
| 01:25.35 | Initial_KK | thx |
| 01:25.36 | helix | Initial_KK: maybe #c or something |
| 01:25.36 | jharrison | guestish: try cups with bsd compt and gimp-print drivers |
| 01:25.43 | GNUdeNoob | where can i find info on what to put in the secrets file? |
| 01:25.44 | guestish | jharrison: did that ,same problem |
| 01:25.51 | covux | hi. iam using 3.12 ati drivers with latest unstable xfree version and 2.6.8.1 kernel. in XFree86.0.log it says at startup "RandR enabled" and later "Initializing built-in extension RANDR". no my prob. under kde -> control center -> peripherals -> display -> Size & Orientation it says "Your X server does not support resizing and rotating the display .... etc." any ideas or help? thanks |
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| 01:26.04 | jharrison | Initial_KK: the kernel documentation is about as good as any place to start |
| 01:26.13 | guestish | jharrison: cant be the driver, cause other apps print file |
| 01:26.15 | guestish | jharrison: fine |
| 01:26.22 | Stevie-O | isn't there a nice debconf thing for the network configuration? |
| 01:26.28 | Initial_KK | how to shutdown debian? |
| 01:26.30 | helix | etherconf |
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| 01:26.35 | helix | or pppoeconf, if you use pppoe |
| 01:26.39 | Stevie-O | ah, thanks |
| 01:26.42 | guestish | Initial_KK: that a joke? |
| 01:26.48 | Initial_KK | "hutdown now" seem doesn't work |
| 01:27.00 | helix | Initial_KK: halt or shutdown -h now |
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| 01:27.07 | guestish | Initial_KK: you dont know how to shutdown debian yet you want to write low level drivers??? |
| 01:27.07 | Stevie-O | (converting a friend from Slackware to Debian) |
| 01:27.15 | leOn | Initial_KK: try poweroff |
| 01:27.16 | guestish | o_O |
| 01:27.23 | Initial_KK | I don't want to write, the prof. force me to. |
| 01:27.29 | jharrison | I must be old school. I always edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:27.32 | guestish | jharrison: also mozilla produces corrupted ps files |
| 01:27.32 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:27.36 | helix | ah, another brilliant CS major |
| 01:27.36 | guestish | jharrison: i do too... |
| 01:27.38 | Stevie-O | jharrison: ditto |
| 01:27.44 | leOn | jharrison: is there any other way? |
| 01:27.46 | guestish | helix: heh... |
| 01:27.46 | leOn | =) |
| 01:27.51 | Stevie-O | jharrison: But this guy's a little green to be doing that just yet. |
| 01:27.52 | toresbe_ | jharrison: Heh, I actually just dragged myself to doing that. |
| 01:27.58 | jharrison | leOn: another way for what? |
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| 01:28.05 | leOn | < jharrison> I must be old school. I always edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:28.06 | jharrison | Stevie-O: oh ok |
| 01:28.06 | GNUdeNoob | how do i start debconf ... is that a console command? |
| 01:28.12 | jharrison | toresbe_: :) |
| 01:28.13 | toresbe_ | jharrison: Until last week I ifconfigged all my boxes manually |
| 01:28.15 | Stevie-O | leOn: manually ifconfig |
| 01:28.20 | guestish | GNUdeNoob: no, the application uses it as a frontend |
| 01:28.22 | toresbe_ | jharrison: And used IP's on local boxes |
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| 01:28.29 | jharrison | toresbe_: hehe well YOU are old school then |
| 01:28.37 | Stevie-O | bah |
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| 01:28.49 | jharrison | toresbe_: I edit /etc/network/interfaces and then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:28.51 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:28.52 | Stevie-O | *I* write perl scripts to call the ioctls! |
| 01:28.53 | Stevie-O | top that! |
| 01:29.11 | guestish | helix: and i wonder why our kernel drivers even work if people like Initial_KK write them... |
| 01:29.20 | special | someone that speak spanish ? |
| 01:29.28 | guestish | !espanol |
| 01:29.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 01:29.30 | GNUdeNoob | guestish: sorry, i still don't understand how to start debconf |
| 01:29.30 | helix | I don't think he's going to submit a patch to the lkml anytime soon |
| 01:29.30 | OctalTHOR | Eh? |
| 01:29.34 | guestish | GNUdeNoob: you dont |
| 01:29.38 | guestish | GNUdeNoob: understand? |
| 01:29.49 | jharrison | I was going to write some python gui interface for debian to configure network with but then I thought there is net-config already which is ncurses so why bother |
| 01:29.53 | helix | GNUdeNoob: if you're trying to reconfigure a package that uses it, dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 01:29.53 | guestish | GNUdeNoob: man debconf |
| 01:29.59 | toresbe_ | WTF??? My University boxen are CONFUSING me. |
| 01:30.03 | guestish | toresbe: ? |
| 01:30.09 | special | but in this channel |
| 01:30.14 | special | anybody helpme |
| 01:30.15 | GNUdeNoob | ok, muchas! |
| 01:30.21 | leOn | there's a cute gnome applet |
| 01:30.21 | jharrison | so now im thinking of doing a web frontend to shorewall firewall |
| 01:30.22 | toresbe | There, that is better. |
| 01:30.25 | helix | special: #debian-es |
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| 01:30.30 | guestish | jharrison: how about fixing my problem :) |
| 01:30.32 | dondelelcaro | special: probably, but #debian-es is the place to ask if you need to do it in español |
| 01:30.43 | jharrison | guestish: im not that l33t yet I dont think |
| 01:30.46 | guestish | jharrison: heh |
| 01:30.49 | FieldySnuts | kingsley: are you trying to create it over 2 or 4GB in size? |
| 01:30.55 | leOn | sits on the bottom of the panel and it configures network ifaces |
| 01:30.59 | FieldySnuts | huh huh yeah |
| 01:31.05 | leOn | dunno the name though |
| 01:31.08 | guestish | jharrison: well im sure theres something that needs to be done, just dont reinvent the wheel like many others do :) |
| 01:31.23 | toresbe | guestish: I tried to reattatch the screen, but I was told there is none. So I open up a new screen with irssi in it. |
| 01:31.25 | guestish | kingsley: fat16 is old and outdated |
| 01:31.29 | Piggy | I AM PORKHOLIO |
| 01:31.35 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:31.35 | guestish | toresbe: ? |
| 01:31.35 | helix | toresbe: screen -list ? |
| 01:31.37 | kingsley | FieldySnuts: Yes, I was trying to create it over 2 GB, and am now trying 2GB. |
| 01:31.41 | kingsley | guestish: I know. |
| 01:31.46 | FieldySnuts | kingsley: try 1 first |
| 01:31.50 | guestish | kingsley: why then? |
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| 01:32.05 | kingsley | FieldySnuts: 1 what? |
| 01:32.09 | FieldySnuts | GB |
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| 01:32.27 | toresbe | guestish: Then I notice that I've become toresbe*_* |
| 01:32.27 | kingsley | guestish: My understanding is that a DOS application I need will only run on FAT16. |
| 01:32.28 | shinobi2 | any pine experts here? how do i export(save) the entire email-folder instead of just one single email? |
| 01:32.34 | guestish | toresbe: ok |
| 01:32.39 | helix | heh |
| 01:32.39 | guestish | kingsley: probably not true |
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| 01:32.51 | kingsley | FieldySnuts: Why do you think I should try only 1 GB? |
| 01:32.55 | toresbe | guestish: And I detatch, and NOW SUDDENLY, there are two screens! |
| 01:33.03 | guestish | toresbe: heh |
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| 01:33.19 | FieldySnuts | kingsley: just to establish that it works fine at 1GB |
| 01:33.23 | FieldySnuts | aka well below 2GB |
| 01:33.25 | dondelelcaro | shinobi2: uh, cp mailfolder where_you_want_to_copy_the_stupid_thing |
| 01:33.26 | helix | dondelelcaro: there is actually fake 'ham'.. |
| 01:33.26 | guestish | kingsley: the fs shouldnt matter unless |
| 01:33.31 | dondelelcaro | helix: yeah... |
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| 01:33.37 | guestish | SPAM! :) |
| 01:33.49 | helix | and bologna. |
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| 01:33.58 | pauliukas | What's the command to get disk information such as used and free space on filesystems |
| 01:33.58 | guestish | heh |
| 01:33.58 | dondelelcaro | helix: apparently, there are some good buddhist restaurants in LA that specialize in non-meat meat. |
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| 01:34.04 | guestish | pauliukas: df -h |
| 01:34.08 | guestish | dondelelcaro: you mean soy? |
| 01:34.09 | pauliukas | thx |
| 01:34.09 | FieldySnuts | it does with fat16, the partition limit is either 2 or 4 GB, i forget which... testing myself |
| 01:34.11 | thomas_adam | Good Piggy. |
| 01:34.13 | helix | dondelelcaro: I've heard rumors of these restaurants. it would be interesting to go to one.. |
| 01:34.16 | dondelelcaro | guestish: not necessarily... |
| 01:34.21 | NyteOwl | should only matter if the application is dependant or works on low level drive configurations |
| 01:34.22 | shinobi2 | dondelelcaro: i think pine is set to imap by default |
| 01:34.25 | guestish | dondelelcaro: o |
| 01:34.27 | pattern | in my kdm.options i have "generate-sessiontypes", but even though i have xfce installed it does not get listed as an option in my kdmrc SessionTypes... how can i get it to be listed, apart from turning off generate-sessiontypes and putting it in to my kdmrc manually? |
| 01:34.28 | kingsley | FieldySnuts: It's 2 GB. |
| 01:34.32 | jharrison | I smell bbq piggy |
| 01:34.34 | jharrison | mmmmm |
| 01:34.55 | dondelelcaro | shinobi2: actually, it's set to use /var/spool/mail/$USER by default... |
| 01:34.56 | Jindrak | spareribs for everyone |
| 01:35.16 | dondelelcaro | shinobi2: but #pine would probably know better. I personally would just use offlineimap and be done with it. |
| 01:35.31 | jharrison | guestish: you can try to run your mozilla in valgrind or something and see if you get any errors when you try to print |
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| 01:35.37 | guestish | jharrison: valgrind? |
| 01:35.39 | jharrison | guestish: im not sure if its really that kind of error though |
| 01:35.39 | thomas_adam | Apple sauce. |
| 01:35.39 | shinobi2 | dondelelcaro: i ssh into my account, then pine it, then pine does imap to connect to mail server. not what you are thinking |
| 01:35.51 | jharrison | guestish: it sounds more like a driver issue with the resolution |
| 01:35.53 | kingsley | guestish: Since partitioning is now fresh in my memory and I have a backup, perhaps now would be a good time to try fat32. |
| 01:35.56 | guestish | jharrison: oh |
| 01:35.58 | guestish | kingsley: da |
| 01:35.59 | jharrison | guestish: valgrind is a memory debugger |
| 01:36.03 | dondelelcaro | shinobi2: you can set up pine to do imap. I'm just talking about what it does by default. |
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| 01:36.31 | jharrison | dondelelcaro: mutt is nice isnt it |
| 01:36.38 | guestish | jharrison: ok |
| 01:36.38 | thomas_adam | Maildrop! |
| 01:36.46 | jharrison | dondelelcaro: and how about its integration with gnupg |
| 01:36.56 | jharrison | such a nice app |
| 01:36.56 | guestish | jharrison: i seriously doubt its a driver issue since its only w/ mozilla apps...though i dunno... |
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| 01:37.10 | jharrison | guestish: maybe with how mozilla uses the driver |
| 01:37.20 | guestish | jharrison: could be |
| 01:37.23 | jharrison | guestish: you can try running it through a debugger and see what you get |
| 01:37.26 | guestish | jharrison: ok |
| 01:37.31 | dondelelcaro | helix: eh, doesn't really matter... I've got a few on my key... a bunch of which are revoked... |
| 01:37.32 | guestish | jharrison: gdb or valgrind? |
| 01:37.34 | jharrison | guestish: you will need mozilla with debugging hooks though |
| 01:37.38 | guestish | jharrison: =( |
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| 01:37.49 | guestish | jharrison: that'll take a while to compile and be BIG |
| 01:37.49 | jharrison | guestish: I know it sucks |
| 01:37.49 | Karhuton | How I can chmod either files or directories recursively? |
| 01:37.56 | guestish | jharrison: but ok, whatever it takes |
| 01:37.56 | jharrison | guestish: yeah I know |
| 01:37.59 | helix | dondelelcaro: why so many? |
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| 01:38.02 | toresbe | What is the passwordless SSH oneliner again? |
| 01:38.15 | helix | I just can't really see a reason to have 35 email addresses attached to one key |
| 01:38.17 | jharrison | toresbe: crc32? |
| 01:38.23 | dondelelcaro | helix: because I used to use a bunch of those accounts to send mail from... |
| 01:38.25 | Karhuton | Since I don't wan to set +x on files, but only on directories. |
| 01:38.40 | puppster | hi, i am trying to set up a wireless card on my laptop... i think i have the right driver, but the howto i'm reading says to add lines to /etc/modules.conf, and modules.conf tells me not to edit it |
| 01:38.43 | dondelelcaro | Karhuton: that's what find . -type d|xargs chmod a+x; is for. |
| 01:38.44 | thomas_adam | Karhuton: find . -type f -exec chmod user.group {} \; -o -type d -exec chmod user.group {} \; |
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| 01:38.49 | FieldySnuts | heh I was able to mkfs.msdos -F 16 fat16-1GB (a 1GB zero file) but not the same but 3GB. so yeah 2GB limit. |
| 01:38.58 | dondelelcaro | Karhuton: man find, man chmod, man chown, man xargs. |
| 01:39.12 | Karhuton | Ah YES! How come I didn't think of that?! It's so simple! |
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| 01:39.35 | Karhuton | Thanks :) |
| 01:39.41 | puppster | what's the proper way to add a module to the system and set up an alias for it? |
| 01:39.43 | toresbe | jharrison: Huh? |
| 01:39.50 | jharrison | Karhuton: sarcasim will get you no where |
| 01:39.56 | jharrison | toresbe: I was being silly |
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| 01:40.00 | dondelelcaro | puppster: generally with modconf |
| 01:40.02 | marioc | any oo.org channel? |
| 01:40.11 | toresbe | jharrison: I mean, the one that keygens something, and then scps it. |
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| 01:40.20 | thomas_adam | puppster: /etc/modutils/aliases <-- add a containing file in there, and run: update-modules |
| 01:40.23 | Stevie-O | my friend doesn't think he needs any of the servers normally handled by inetd. Is there any way he can just turn it off? |
| 01:40.26 | tralala | hi. i'm using the mozilla-browser package from testing. I've noticed that my location bar history doesn't seem to get saved between launches. where have i gone wrong? |
| 01:40.26 | jharrison | toresbe: there is an old ssh exploit called a crc32 exploit where you can just change roots password |
| 01:40.33 | jharrison | toresbe: they featured it in the matrix 2 |
| 01:40.44 | toresbe | jharrison: Oh, right that one :) |
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| 01:40.51 | jharrison | toresbe: you can do passwordless logins with keys though |
| 01:40.55 | jharrison | toresbe: is that what you mean? |
| 01:40.57 | puppster | ok, thanks! |
| 01:40.58 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: use ssh-keygen, then copy your identity.pub over to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 01:40.59 | BucDesktop | hello all i'm almost done with my netinst of debian |
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| 01:41.07 | BucDesktop | which US mirror should i use for apt? |
| 01:41.12 | leOn | Stevie-O: update-rc.d -f remove inetd ? |
| 01:41.16 | thomas_adam | BucDesktop: apt-spy |
| 01:41.20 | kingsley | FieldySnuts: Do you happen to have any idea why "parted /dev/hda check 1" would report that the file system is the same size as before shrinking the partition and running mkfs.msdos? |
| 01:41.20 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, which us mirror should i use for apt? |
| 01:41.21 | leOn | hmmm |
| 01:41.23 | Stevie-O | ah, ok |
| 01:41.28 | BucDesktop | thomas_adam, i don't see that option |
| 01:41.37 | leOn | Stevie-O: update-rc.d -f inetd remove |
| 01:41.42 | leOn | this way |
| 01:41.43 | FieldySnuts | kingsley: don't know, neer used parted and definately never used partition resizing (I don't trust it) |
| 01:41.46 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: whatever is fastest for you. Use apt-setup or apt-spy. |
| 01:41.46 | Stevie-O | got it |
| 01:41.47 | FieldySnuts | s/neer/never/ |
| 01:41.47 | thomas_adam | BucDesktop: Use anyone you like, from the list in apt-setup, then. |
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| 01:42.14 | BucDesktop | k. i guess i'll just chose one for now and once i actually get into debian i'll use apt-spy to pick the fastest one |
| 01:42.38 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: checking for echoes? |
| 01:42.44 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: Yup. |
| 01:42.51 | thomas_adam | Sounds like wood though. |
| 01:42.51 | jharrison | BucDesktop: kernel.mirrors is a good one |
| 01:43.14 | jharrison | BucDesktop: I usually pull about 700 or 800k from them |
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| 01:43.29 | BucDesktop | jharrison, k. |
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| 01:44.40 | cygar | hola gente. |
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| 01:44.59 | Stevie-O | okay, a policy decision |
| 01:45.14 | Stevie-O | where's the best place to put iptables rules? |
| 01:45.34 | jharrison | Stevie-O: /etc/iptables probably |
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| 01:46.09 | cygar | Stevie-O: /etc/init.d/ symlinked to your run level :) [ not much problems :) ] |
| 01:46.14 | kingsley | Bye for now. I'm booting into the win98 startup floppy and will try "format c:". |
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| 01:46.55 | puppster | do i have to do anything other than running update-modules to get the alias for eth1 to be loaded? |
| 01:47.16 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: Arigatou. |
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| 01:47.59 | Stevie-O | okay, what priority does it have to be to make sure it runs after network interface configuration? |
| 01:48.11 | JosephSpiros | I put my stuff in rcS, Stevie-O |
| 01:48.11 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: yukai. |
| 01:48.24 | JosephSpiros | my iptables script, anyway |
| 01:48.29 | JosephSpiros | S41 |
| 01:48.35 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: Anata wa nihongo wakarimasen desu ka? |
| 01:48.58 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: sorry, haven't watched that much anime yet... ;-) |
| 01:49.02 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: (At least I think that's how one says it) |
| 01:49.11 | Stevie-O | rcS? |
| 01:49.22 | Stevie-O | iisn't that only single-user mode? |
| 01:49.30 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: no. rcS always is run. |
| 01:49.47 | Stevie-O | oh |
| 01:49.50 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: however, you don't want anything dealing with interfaces in rcS, since the network hasn't been brought up then. |
| 01:49.50 | toresbe | dondelelcaro: If my l33t nihongo sentence-creating skillz are l33t enough, that should mean, "Do you understand Japanese?" It is a question which answers itself. ;) |
| 01:49.52 | Stevie-O | okay, so we do what |
| 01:49.52 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: does tapping on the touchpad work on your laptop? |
| 01:50.00 | Stevie-O | edit /etc/init.d/firewall |
| 01:50.00 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah |
| 01:50.09 | Stevie-O | and then update-rc.d (arguments I don't know go here) |
| 01:50.11 | Stevie-O | ? |
| 01:50.16 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: damn. what did you do? |
| 01:50.22 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: are you sure about that? I have my iptables rules symlinked as S41iptables in rcS.d... |
| 01:50.24 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: it just worked that way. |
| 01:50.27 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: and it works great |
| 01:50.31 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: and has been for months |
| 01:50.37 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: 2.6 kernel right? |
| 01:50.39 | pauliukas | How can I delete a folder tree? |
| 01:50.43 | dondelelcaro | JosephSpiros: if you have them starting after the interface comes up, that's fine. Or if you have static addresses, it works fine too. |
| 01:50.49 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: yeah, but it was working in 2.4 as well. |
| 01:50.52 | deadcat | pauliukas: rm -rf blah |
| 01:50.54 | dondelelcaro | pauliukas: with the -r and -f flag to rm. |
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| 01:50.54 | toresbe | pauliukas: You must be very careful with this command. |
| 01:51.14 | toresbe | pauliukas: rm -rf. But be VERY CAREFUL, as it has scorched me numerous times. |
| 01:51.43 | JosephSpiros | dondelelcaro: ah, you mean how I have my interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces, stating the address and such there, rather than using dhcp? |
| 01:51.45 | toresbe | Like - *sob* - like that time I - *sob* |
| 01:51.47 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: 2.4 works for me as well, not 2.6, damn x86 laptop hardware... 2 days in a row, i've been talking to 2 powerbook user and damn i want to rob them. (= |
| 01:51.58 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: heh |
| 01:52.04 | toresbe | deadcat: Buy one, you sod ;) |
| 01:52.07 | regeya | haha |
| 01:52.19 | dondelelcaro | JosephSpiros: yes... since you wouldn't know the external address otherwise until the interface has been brought up. |
| 01:52.27 | deadcat | toresbe: i am trying to sell my L400 first. i am planning for an ibook. |
| 01:52.41 | leOn | smells funny here ... |
| 01:52.49 | leOn | deadcat: oh .. it's you! |
| 01:53.03 | deadcat | leOn: ya. just farted. |
| 01:53.30 | Stevie-O | dondelelcaro: so what *should* i do? |
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| 01:54.09 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: even older PowerBooks are really nice, I'm using a PowerBook G3 (Wallstreet, so it requires BootX, but if you had a Lombard or Pismo, you could use yaboot) |
| 01:54.17 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: and it runs very well :) |
| 01:54.22 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: 2.6 as well ;) |
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| 01:54.51 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: well. powerbooks are a bit huge. (= ya. the yaboot thing would be nice. |
| 01:55.00 | Flimzy | Can anyone recommend a (hopefully cheap, likely used) hand-held PC-type device with a barcode scanner, and USB host controller (if such a device exists)? |
| 01:55.12 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: i am selling this: http://deadcat.thegunn.com/tmp/dell.l400/ or just sell it to my friend. heheh |
| 01:55.13 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: yeah, iBook is nice and small :) |
| 01:55.37 | az[a]zel | 12" powerbook is smaller |
| 01:55.54 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: ya. the keyboard on the powerbooks arent that cool though. the metal one kinna crappy. |
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| 01:56.01 | az[a]zel | however they are more expensive.. thus I'm typing this on a 12" ibook :) |
| 01:56.09 | Ox0F0-0FF | just to make *sure* lpd is nothing else than printer related ? meaning if i have no printer i can remove it without any problem right ? |
| 01:56.18 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: oh, well, I'm a huge fan of the PowerBook G3 series, and Pismo |
| 01:56.26 | Karhuton | 0x0F: I've been doing so. |
| 01:56.31 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: Pismo, IMO, is the best laptop design of Apple's |
| 01:56.32 | deadcat | az[a]zel: (= everybody is running debian on ibook/powerbook these day. hehe |
| 01:56.35 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: though, they're all 14" |
| 01:56.40 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: cool. |
| 01:56.45 | leOn | deadcat: neat |
| 01:56.49 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: and, the keyboards are nice :) |
| 01:56.50 | Ox0F0-0FF | Karhuton: i run hylaxfax... |
| 01:56.53 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: what about the 12" what are they? |
| 01:56.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | so not real sure |
| 01:57.06 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: 12" what? |
| 01:57.09 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: you mean the all white one right? ya. (= rocks |
| 01:57.15 | leOn | i'd have it if i didn't buy a lap just recently |
| 01:57.16 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: no, I mean the PowerBook G3 :p |
| 01:57.18 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: 12" are not pismo? what are they? |
| 01:57.31 | Karhuton | Ox0F0-0FF: Sorry. Kinda assumed you were running Red Hat. |
| 01:57.42 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: http://home.josephspiros.com/~joseph/gallery/pismo.jpg |
| 01:57.46 | deadcat | k |
| 01:58.17 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: the hell. never seen this powerbook before. (= |
| 01:58.21 | Ox0F0-0FF | o_O |
| 01:58.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | wtf |
| 01:58.24 | rares000 | there's a green pixel on my laptop I want someone to kill it |
| 01:58.27 | deadcat | leOn: back of a truck? |
| 01:58.31 | leOn | that was a deal... |
| 01:58.36 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: they're beautiful |
| 01:58.40 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: my heart flutters as I view that ;p |
| 01:58.41 | leOn | deadcat: nop ... big event leftovers |
| 01:58.43 | leOn | =) |
| 01:58.43 | Flimzy | rares000: Ship your laptop to me, and I'll be sure to kill it for you |
| 01:58.51 | deadcat | leOn: nice deal. hehe |
| 01:58.52 | leOn | mine wasn't even used |
| 01:58.57 | deadcat | dang |
| 01:59.00 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: anyway, that's the PowerBook, otherwise known as Pismo, the last G3-based /Powerbook/ |
| 01:59.14 | rares000 | Flimzy how do I know you don't plan to clone an army of green pixels |
| 02:00.09 | |XO2| | anyone here have a software raid setup? |
| 02:00.10 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: they're not made anymore, so you get them on eBay, they still sell for ~$600-$800 |
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| 02:00.24 | mentor | ooh. 'Centrino Technology' a triumph of marketing over content. |
| 02:00.34 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: anyway, iBooks are really nice, just explaining that Pismos certainly aren't iBooks |
| 02:00.35 | deadcat | JosephSpiros: its ok. i like the ibook only. |
| 02:00.39 | JosephSpiros | deadcat: iBooks are... iBooks :) |
| 02:00.45 | deadcat | hehe |
| 02:00.49 | leOn | |XO2|: just like the software raid howto says in tldo.org |
| 02:00.54 | leOn | ops |
| 02:00.57 | deadcat | ibook me!!!! (= |
| 02:01.00 | leOn | tldp.org |
| 02:01.26 | mentor | bah. eyetap all the way, I don't care what my computer is. |
| 02:02.02 | User803 | I want to dual boot this laptop with linux. It's tabletPC edition, and Acer formatted it to fat32. I was told by some people a while ago it's better to use NTFS with linux, but I don't see any evidence of this. Should I repartition to ntfs? |
| 02:02.27 | leOn | User803: nah |
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| 02:02.59 | mentor | User803: Ummm, NTFS just about has some read support under Linux, and very broken write support. |
| 02:03.02 | User803 | my other machine is windows xp with ntfs and debian, and I can see that ntfs support in linux isn't perfect yet |
| 02:03.17 | tralala | hi. i'm using the mozilla-browser package from testing. I've noticed that my location bar history doesn't seem to get saved between launches. where have i gone wrong? |
| 02:04.05 | User803 | so do you recommend I reformat this machine before trying to dual boot? Are there any issues with windows XP dual booting while not on ntfs filesystem? |
| 02:04.09 | dendrite | User803: BTW, there is a way to use the windows native NTFS drivers. |
| 02:04.30 | dendrite | User803: in Linux, that is. |
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| 02:05.22 | Flimzy | User803: My W2k/Linux dual boot system is partitioend as so: W2k Boot (40gb NTFS), Linux (40gb ext3), "shared" (40gb FAT32). I can read all three drives in Linux, I can write to the latter two in Linux, and I can read/write to the NTFS/FAT32 drives in 2k |
| 02:05.46 | Flimzy | rakunk: If you have enough HD space to do something like that, you can more or less experience the "best of both worlds" WRT FAT32 and NTFS |
| 02:06.00 | rakunk | hmm |
| 02:06.03 | rakunk | that's a good idea |
| 02:06.07 | rakunk | but what's good about ntfs? |
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| 02:06.16 | Roey | hi |
| 02:06.27 | Flimzy | rakunk: It's a lot faster than FAT32 |
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| 02:06.33 | Flimzy | rakunk: In Windows, that is |
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| 02:06.53 | Roey | hebrew fonts appear as spaces in xchat. What package contains these fonts? I'd like to know what is messed up with them as of last night's apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 02:06.54 | rakunk | and more importantly, (since my manufacturer used fat32) will tabletpc edition run on it? |
| 02:07.13 | Flimzy | rakunk: What OS? |
| 02:07.21 | rakunk | windows xp tablet edition |
| 02:07.30 | tobehz | tablet.. lol |
| 02:07.38 | rakunk | what's with the lol? this machine is awesome |
| 02:07.47 | rakunk | I'm an artist, btw |
| 02:07.48 | tobehz | windows xp on a sub-par computer |
| 02:07.53 | tobehz | that's got to be an awesome box haha. |
| 02:07.55 | rakunk | sub par? |
| 02:07.59 | toresbe | dendrite: My nxt book will be aniBook. |
| 02:08.08 | Flimzy | rakunk: I know nothing about "tablet edition" of XP |
| 02:08.10 | tobehz | pretty sure a tablet can't compare to a regular desktop box. |
| 02:08.10 | rakunk | 1.7ghz pentium M, 1 gig ram |
| 02:08.22 | rakunk | it's better than my crap desktop box! |
| 02:08.25 | rakunk | lol |
| 02:08.27 | Flimzy | I think my next PC purchase may be a hand-held thingie of some sort... just gotta figure out what model to get |
| 02:08.29 | tobehz | ha :| |
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| 02:08.41 | dendrite | toresbe: I'm looking at the mac notebooks. I'm also looking at a full bore G5 too... :-) |
| 02:08.44 | rakunk | acer travelmate 302mxi |
| 02:08.55 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: zaurus! |
| 02:08.56 | rakunk | $2000 |
| 02:09.03 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: maybe... |
| 02:09.04 | leOn | Flimzy: check out www.invair.com |
| 02:09.33 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: I have *at most* $430 to spend. I would like to spend as little as possible, tho, to get the features I need |
| 02:09.43 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: I haven't tried the sl-6000 but it looks good |
| 02:09.55 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: what features do you need? |
| 02:09.58 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: Altho with a Linux-based hand-held, I could put off the purchase of a laptop for a bit longer |
| 02:10.00 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: which would make it worth more $ to me |
| 02:10.17 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: Primarily, the ability to write my own data-entry application, and to attach (or use a built-in) barcode scanner |
| 02:10.23 | leOn | there should be a zaurus model with phone capabilities... |
| 02:10.34 | leOn | THAT would be awsome... |
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| 02:10.37 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: A Linux-based handheld makes the former very easy... I can just write a Perl script, or CGI or something. |
| 02:11.07 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: the zaurus is also for enterprise apps, so i bet there is a barcode scanner model |
| 02:11.11 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: And a nice non-essential feature is a USB host controller, so I can use my mobile phone for Internet access |
| 02:11.33 | kaplanfx | leOn: hey that invair thing is cool |
| 02:11.42 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: The question will be... how expensive is it? :) |
| 02:11.43 | leOn | kaplanfx: very cool |
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| 02:11.52 | TiggaGal | can anyone tell me a command to see how many sticks of ram my computer has? |
| 02:11.54 | leOn | Flimzy: heared it's about $600 |
| 02:11.59 | Flimzy | I just found a Zaurus for $24.95 Buy-it-now on eBay. tehehe... a very old model |
| 02:12.00 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: hrm, the z has a usb controller, but not a standard port |
| 02:12.11 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: the 5500? |
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| 02:12.24 | Flimzy | leOn: which is $600? |
| 02:12.40 | leOn | Flimzy: the invair smart-phone |
| 02:12.41 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: As long as an adaptor is available, I won't mind. |
| 02:12.47 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: Yeah, that sounds about right. |
| 02:12.52 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: the zr-5800 you are looking at insn't linux based |
| 02:12.58 | doleyb | Flimzy: most zaurus can only BE a usb device, not USE one. |
| 02:13.24 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: I know. I'm not interested in that device. |
| 02:13.24 | Flimzy | leOn: I don't want a phone |
| 02:13.26 | kaplanfx | its an old black and white organizer ting |
| 02:13.33 | kaplanfx | doleyb: yeah sucks :( |
| 02:13.39 | Roey | erm.. hi, hebrew fonts are messed up as of last night's debian sid sync. what could be wrong |
| 02:13.43 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: It's a 5800 |
| 02:13.56 | kaplanfx | Roey: its a yom kippur virus! |
| 02:14.03 | Flimzy | doleyb: I realize that. Which is why I've made "USB host controller" a specific feature I'm looking for :) |
| 02:14.03 | leOn | Flimzy: look at it as PDA with wlan and mobile phone conectivity ... |
| 02:14.15 | doleyb | Although they do have a a CF slot, which can hold a USB controller. |
| 02:14.17 | leOn | it's not really a conventional phone |
| 02:14.33 | kaplanfx | Roey: you aren't supposed to be using your computer on er of shabbis |
| 02:14.55 | Flimzy | leOn: URL? |
| 02:15.08 | leOn | www.invair.com |
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| 02:15.15 | doleyb | I have a zaurus 5500 |
| 02:15.16 | leOn | http://www.invair.com/html/messenger_ii1.html |
| 02:15.30 | Flimzy | Zaurus SL-5600 is $370 buy-it-now on eBay. |
| 02:15.53 | Flimzy | SL-5500 is at $148 |
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| 02:16.11 | Flimzy | looks like the SL-5500's are fairly inexpensive |
| 02:16.20 | Flimzy | doleyb: That one runs Linux, right? |
| 02:16.28 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: I haven one, yeah it runs linux |
| 02:16.35 | kaplanfx | er haven = have |
| 02:16.39 | kaplanfx | the 5500 that is |
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| 02:17.00 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: What do you think of it? |
| 02:17.14 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: this one is better imho http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=5721596082&rd=1 |
| 02:17.21 | doleyb | I think it's a good device, but the included software isn't good. |
| 02:17.27 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: I like it, but its more of a toy |
| 02:17.30 | doleyb | You can install better software, but not too much better. |
| 02:17.37 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: you are looking for something more pro I think |
| 02:17.53 | doleyb | And it'd be pain to write perl on there, because the small keyboard is hard to do all the weird []%#$@{} characters. |
| 02:18.08 | doleyb | Anything beyond abc123 is hard to type. |
| 02:18.35 | Flimzy | doleyb: Does it not include WiFi support (and thus the ability to remote in to it to write Perl, etc)? |
| 02:18.37 | leOn | he's just going to do some print 'hello world!\n' ; |
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| 02:19.13 | Flimzy | kaplanfx: that URL you pasted... you're suggesting as better than the SL-5500? |
| 02:19.16 | doleyb | My zaurus 5500 has a CF slot, which I place a wifi card into. |
| 02:19.33 | doleyb | Oh yes, the c-700 is way better. Mainly, it has a 640 res screen, not just 320. |
| 02:20.02 | doleyb | Flimzy: You can also run TCP-over-USB and remote in that way. |
| 02:20.20 | Flimzy | Does the C-700 also run Linux? |
| 02:20.46 | doleyb | yes... but Sharp might only sell a japanese one officially. but you can reinstall yourself. |
| 02:21.11 | Flimzy | doleyb: The seller offers to install an OS of choice before shipping |
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| 02:21.28 | Flimzy | it doesn't say anything about the hardware specs, tho, other than 64mb RAM |
| 02:21.34 | kaplanfx | holy crap, anyone seen this? http://www.this-wonderful-life.com/index.htm |
| 02:21.44 | kaplanfx | looks freakin real |
| 02:21.54 | doleyb | Flimzy: Installing is not hard anyway. Just copy an image to a CF, and hold a key-combo when rebooting. |
| 02:22.31 | doleyb | Flimzy: I think the best zaurus os right now is from openzaurus.org |
| 02:22.31 | Flimzy | Does 64mb RAM mean 64mb RAM, or 64mb CF? |
| 02:22.44 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: yeah, its got a higher resolution screen, and better keyboard, and I like the clamshell personally |
| 02:22.53 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: but the os is japanese |
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| 02:23.10 | kaplanfx | Flimzy: there is no english version, you can get a custom rom though |
| 02:23.14 | doleyb | Flimzy: ram. CF isn't included, you can buy it yourself. |
| 02:23.14 | doleyb | CF could be as much as 1 gigabyte... |
| 02:23.32 | Flimzy | doleyb: Ah |
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| 02:23.49 | doleyb | Hiyaku, nihongo o benykyo shimasho. |
| 02:24.01 | Flimzy | doleyb: That's an improvement over earlier models, isn't it? Which had to do some sort of funky partitioning of RAM for disk/RAM operations? |
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| 02:24.46 | doleyb | Flimzy: the first Linux zaurus sold in the USA had 2 filesystems, a ramdisk for user data and a read-only flash for everything else. |
| 02:24.53 | kaplanfx | doleyb: actually there are 2gb cards |
| 02:25.10 | doleyb | That sucked, because the battery would run out (in 2 hr), or a program would lock up, and all your user-files would be lost. |
| 02:25.15 | leOn | kaplanfx: actually there are bigger ones |
| 02:25.15 | kaplanfx | doleyb: and you can use a microdrive and get about 5 gb but they are finicky on the z |
| 02:25.25 | Flimzy | doleyb: okay... that sounds like what I was thinking of |
| 02:25.33 | leOn | 6GB was the biggest i heared so far |
| 02:25.36 | doleyb | But ppl have made other rom images that mount the flash disk rw, which is much better. |
| 02:25.55 | leOn | but they are not true CF cards ... they're microdrives |
| 02:25.59 | doleyb | Ok, well, you could really get a CF USB controller, and then put a 120 gig external HD on that if you wanted. |
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| 02:26.22 | Flimzy | Maybe I should get a CF USB controller to plug into my mobile phone |
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| 02:27.07 | Flimzy | And optionally into a USB barcode scanner (I assume such devices exist) |
| 02:27.14 | doleyb | What phone has CF slot? handspring, blackberry? |
| 02:27.37 | Flimzy | I'm talking about my phone with a USB interface. |
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| 02:28.04 | Flimzy | Altho... I suppose just b/c the Zaurus runs Linux, doesn't mean it will have the necessary USB device drivers to use a USB Modem |
| 02:28.21 | Flimzy | Do either of you know if an external USB Modem would work on a Zaurus w/ CF USB controller? |
| 02:28.29 | GoreSpilr | hi. I'm trying to install some ttf, and the directions make a reference to a dir I don't have. it makes a refence to /etc/X11/fs/config what should I do? |
| 02:28.51 | Eyaw_Nayr | where can I find the .config files for the kernel-images used on the installers? The installers 2.6.7-1-386 kernel can boot off of my SATA drive, but I cannot figure out what I am missing to get my self-compiled kernel to work. |
| 02:28.54 | doleyb | A zaurus can absolutely use a serial-port adapter and reach a modem that way. |
| 02:29.06 | doleyb | Some phones have serial-over-IR, which works with the zaurus IRDA port. |
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| 02:29.11 | Flimzy | doleyb: But my modem is USB :/ |
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| 02:29.33 | doleyb | Flimzy: Well, you can get kernel source code, so you could work it somehow. |
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| 02:30.02 | doleyb | Flimzy: but the first problem is to get the USB controller working. They exist, but are unpopular, and idk if you could find a driver. |
| 02:30.15 | Flimzy | doleyb: The Zaurus kernel certianly is heavily hacked tho, no? |
| 02:30.24 | Flimzy | And I have no experience doing kernel hacking myself (aside from applying mis-matched patches on rare occasion) |
| 02:30.47 | operatrosaber | H3y all!, Having a nice weekend??, i just have one question.. is there anything wrong with installing Debian through Kanotix? |
| 02:30.48 | Flimzy | hmm |
| 02:30.57 | Flimzy | well I guess it's something to look in to more later |
| 02:30.58 | Flimzy | for now, I gotta go to work |
| 02:31.07 | Flimzy | operatrosaber: What is Kanotix? |
| 02:31.18 | peterS | operatrosaber: we have no idea. at least, I don't. most of us have no experience with kanotix |
| 02:31.21 | operatrosaber | live cd based on mostly all pure debian sid |
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| 02:31.33 | peterS | operatrosaber: however, I do know that you won't get much help in here if you do that and then come back with questions about stuff that doesn't work |
| 02:31.45 | Flimzy | similar to Knoppix? |
| 02:31.46 | peterS | operatrosaber: because we will simply assume that whatever your problems are are kanotixisms |
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| 02:31.50 | Eyaw_Nayr | where can I find the .config files for the kernel-images used on the installers? The installers 2.6.7-1-386 kernel can boot off of my SATA drive, but I cannot figure out what I am missing to get my self-compiled kernel to work. |
| 02:31.59 | operatrosaber | kk, thx |
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| 02:32.57 | doleyb | Eyaw_Nayr: I had that problem recently. |
| 02:33.09 | Eyaw_Nayr | doleyb: what did you do? |
| 02:33.15 | doleyb | can't remember exactly what option... it was under SCSI low level drivers... |
| 02:33.49 | doleyb | Eyaw_Nayr: are you 2.4 or 2.6 ? |
| 02:34.01 | Eyaw_Nayr | doleyb: 2.6.7 |
| 02:34.10 | Eyaw_Nayr | doleyb: 2.6.7-1-386 to be exact |
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| 02:34.44 | doleyb | Eyaw_Nayr: did you have "VIA SATA support" turned on? |
| 02:34.52 | Eyaw_Nayr | doleyb: yes |
| 02:34.54 | doleyb | or whatever kind of SATA you have. |
| 02:35.02 | Stevie-O | wtf |
| 02:35.02 | Stevie-O | iptables v1.2.9: You must specify --to-source |
| 02:35.06 | Stevie-O | since when? |
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| 02:35.26 | Eyaw_Nayr | doleyb: I have every driver compiled in that relates to SATA |
| 02:36.02 | doleyb | Eyaw_Nayr: every one? I think that's impossible, I think they conflict. you can have SATA under IDE or SCSI, but not both. |
| 02:36.14 | doleyb | You probably mean just the scsi ones? |
| 02:36.17 | kingsley | FieldySnuts: I'm happy to report that trimming the partition down to a svelt 2GB and using Microsoft's "FORMAT C:" resulted in a partition that's readable by both DOS and linux. |
| 02:37.01 | smj | Greets folks. Did I miss anything? |
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