| 00:00.00 | PerfDave | freemo: Is it possible that you've got some major hardware fuckup? |
| 00:00.03 | gourdin | abrotman: what change in a package update, for example, what's the kde update 3.3.0-a |
| 00:00.05 | doubleh1 | abrotman: to make java work on SID ... |
| 00:00.12 | krowaa | Is there any easy way to uninstall programs, or reinstal using make program ??? |
| 00:00.16 | abrotman | doubleh1: what java? |
| 00:00.16 | freemo | PerfDave, its always possible.. but it was working less then an hour ago |
| 00:00.21 | rich_ | rsd I dont know. I use wget for that. I keep all the mms: addresses in files so I can click on them to start them |
| 00:00.23 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 00:00.28 | doubleh1 | abrotman: the java plugin for mozilla |
| 00:00.40 | abrotman | where did you get a plugin that requires that? |
| 00:00.47 | rsd | rich_: ah.. |
| 00:00.48 | abrotman | and .. try symlinking it |
| 00:00.48 | gourdin | abrotman: a sort of change log, is this available anywhere ? |
| 00:00.55 | rsd | rich_: i arleady had gxine installed, just wondering if mplayer is any better |
| 00:01.02 | abrotman | gourdin: kde.org .. or the package page will show what debian changed |
| 00:01.08 | freemo | well now its working under the vga driver.. but that doesnt explain why i have to use the vga driver ot begin with .. hmmm... |
| 00:01.09 | doubleh1 | abrotman: from "deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian sid main non-free" |
| 00:01.10 | rsd | rich_: it's not compatable with realplayer/wmplayer streaming video in browser, is it? |
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| 00:01.23 | rsd | rich_: that would be very nice if it was :) |
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| 00:01.31 | mhall | god damn it i hate this cisco voicemail system |
| 00:01.34 | PerfDave | freemo: Have you reinstalled Sarge since you screwed everything up trying to downgrade? |
| 00:01.36 | mhall | it pisses me off so fucking much |
| 00:01.52 | rsd | fckgw! |
| 00:02.02 | Sandman | Debian doesn't appear to suffer much from "dependency hell" |
| 00:02.09 | gourdin | abrotman: package page ? |
| 00:02.27 | abrotman | gourdin: like ... packages.debian.org/mozilla-browser |
| 00:02.28 | gourdin | abrotman: ok, I think I got it |
| 00:02.32 | gourdin | thx ;) |
| 00:02.39 | rsd | rich_: what other deps do i need? |
| 00:02.50 | rich_ | rsd I like it a lot but thats because of the way mplayer looks. I have the new realplayer 10 and although mplayer playes most rtsp streams, realplayer 10 (based on helix) Wont play mp3's or mpg's |
| 00:02.53 | PerfDave | Sandman: The stable branch certainly doesn't. |
| 00:03.14 | freemo | PerfDave, no.. but i dont think i screwed anything up.. cause after i changed it to stable, it gave me an error on the first thing i tried to get and i changed it back.. so i didnt isntall anythign under stable |
| 00:03.16 | PerfDave | rsd: Have you tried vlc? That's quite fun. |
| 00:03.31 | rsd | PerfDave, no, what can it do? |
| 00:03.34 | PerfDave | freemo: Have you done apt-get update since changing back to testing sources? |
| 00:03.40 | freemo | PerfDave, maybe its cause this time around im using "sarge" and not "testing" |
| 00:03.43 | Sandman | PerfDave: Neither does testing. And if there are dependency problems, they're easily fixed via backporting. |
| 00:03.52 | rich_ | rsd Im not sure about them all but they have names that are easy to recignize like w32 and libavcodec |
| 00:03.53 | freemo | PerfDave, yes that was performed automatically by apt-setup |
| 00:03.57 | PerfDave | rsd: Just about anything that mplayer can do, as far as I can see. |
| 00:04.00 | PerfDave | freemo: apt-setup? |
| 00:04.22 | freemo | apt-setup is jsut a ncurses program that modifies the sources file for you and does an update |
| 00:04.28 | PerfDave | freemo: Have you checked your sources.list by hand, and manually run an update? |
| 00:04.36 | doubleh1 | abrotman: I have been said that this line was the line to get the JAVA plugins ... |
| 00:04.51 | freemo | PerfDave, no.. but i saw apt-setup perform the update .. and i did edit the sources by hand using apt-setup. |
| 00:04.58 | freemo | as meanign is aid "edit sources manually" |
| 00:04.59 | abrotman | !mozilla java plugin |
| 00:05.17 | rich_ | rsd Im useing the marrillat sources.list line btw |
| 00:05.17 | doubleh1 | I reported a bug on a pakage, and received a mail saying that the mail of the maintainer is not valid any more .... where shall I report that ? |
| 00:05.18 | abrotman | !sid mozilla java |
| 00:05.18 | dpkg | sid mozilla java is, like, mozilla 1.4 (in sid) is compiled with g++ 3.2. The ABI has changed, and old Java virtual machines will not work any more. Please see http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.3/#compatible for details. See http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/JDK-1.4.1/i386/01/, or see 'get-blackdown' for apt-gettable sources. http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/debian/#java for packages that work as of 13 July 2004 |
| 00:05.22 | gourdin | no info in the change log for kde :( |
| 00:05.25 | gourdin | night ppl |
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| 00:05.28 | abrotman | god .. that's old |
| 00:05.30 | rsd | rich_: yup i found them |
| 00:05.37 | rsd | rich_: any deps i need to worry about? |
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| 00:06.12 | PerfDave | freemo: Double checking doesn't do any harm. |
| 00:06.13 | rsd | rich_: oh man, no more lumiere package? ;/ |
| 00:06.16 | rich_ | rsd No, but if something doesnt work its ussually because somethings not installed. I guess you have to install them as you need them |
| 00:06.18 | krowaa | hmmm Hey I have installed one program with 'make install' How easy remove all bin files and conf.. all things that have been installed with that prog ? |
| 00:06.19 | freemo | PerfDave, i am doing that now |
| 00:06.33 | PerfDave | krowaa: Where did you install it? |
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| 00:06.37 | krowaa | I have src files also |
| 00:06.41 | GomoX | why isn't update-menus ran after installing packages? is there a way to do that? |
| 00:06.42 | rich_ | rsd Sorry I never heard of lumiere |
| 00:06.44 | PerfDave | krowaa: Some packages may have "make uninstall" which should help. |
| 00:06.49 | rsd | rich_: hold on |
| 00:06.50 | krowaa | PerfDave, here, there,,,there,,here ;P |
| 00:06.55 | krowaa | hmm PHP have it ? |
| 00:06.58 | PerfDave | krowaa: If you installed it in /usr/local (like you should) then it should be easy. |
| 00:06.58 | krowaa | ;) |
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| 00:07.04 | GomoX | krowaa: use "checkinstall" next time |
| 00:07.05 | rsd | rich_: http://www.nongnu.org/lumiere/ |
| 00:07.07 | PerfDave | krowaa: No bloody idea, Debian packages PHP so you don't need to :) |
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| 00:07.27 | freemo | PerfDave, are you sure that sarge and testing int hat file are 100% identicle in everyway right now? |
| 00:07.31 | krowaa | I don't want to use packages for php installing |
| 00:07.36 | PerfDave | freemo: They should be. |
| 00:07.42 | krowaa | ok thnx |
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| 00:07.49 | PerfDave | krowaa: Why not? What happens when you install something that depends on PHP? |
| 00:07.51 | Sandman | PerfDave: There's also a package called "epkg" which is great for third party software |
| 00:08.03 | Sandman | PerfDave: If you want it to be seperate from the packaging system for whatever reason. |
| 00:08.30 | krowaa | can I make install (ovr) filles ? |
| 00:08.33 | rich_ | rsd I see. I pretty much write my own front end. I use script files and hotkeys to control mplayer |
| 00:08.37 | krowaa | to over write |
| 00:08.39 | krowaa | "_ |
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| 00:08.41 | krowaa | files |
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| 00:09.04 | PerfDave | krowaa: You don't want to overwrite files on a Debian system with "make install". Use Debian packages, or install into /usr/local. Any other course of action will break things. |
| 00:09.13 | freemo | PerfDave, im gonna try uninstalling..g oing back to testing then reinstalling jsut incase. cause that is the only difference between now and when i did the exact same install a day or two ago |
| 00:09.17 | PerfDave | Sandman: Hmm, dpkg knows nothing about it. |
| 00:09.24 | Sandman | PerfDave: I know. encap.org |
| 00:09.29 | Sandman | PerfDave: It's an awesome Lfs package manager. |
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| 00:09.40 | PerfDave | Ah, fair enough. |
| 00:09.41 | krowaa | I have that kind of a problem, I have installed php without mysql support, now I have compiled php with mysql support but how can I install it again ?? |
| 00:09.43 | Sandman | PerfDave: Check it out, it's amazingly simple, but yet a great idea. |
| 00:09.57 | rich_ | rsd I integrated it with a file manager called dfm |
| 00:10.02 | PerfDave | How did you install PHP without MySQL support? |
| 00:10.09 | Sandman | PerfDave: If one uses checkinstall -D to install a package into dpkg, and it wants to overwrite files, will APT see this and prompt you? |
| 00:10.12 | PerfDave | krowaa: Why don't you just install it with apt-get? |
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| 00:10.23 | PerfDave | Sandman: No idea, I have no idea what checkinstall is. |
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| 00:10.48 | PerfDave | krowaa: Back up. Why don't you tell us what you've done, and what you're trying to do, and we may be able to help. |
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| 00:11.23 | freemo | PerfDave, apparently testing and sarge are different.. how i dont know.. but it got a different xserver-xfree86 package (kde was the same on both) |
| 00:11.29 | Sandman | Does anyone know about checkinstall, and whether or not if you use it to install a package APT will let you know if it overwrites files? |
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| 00:11.37 | PerfDave | Oh yeah, I've seen encap before :) |
| 00:11.39 | krowaa | PerfDave, I have installed PHP without MYSQL support, now i want to install it again with MySql sup...thats all !! |
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| 00:12.04 | valdyn | Sandman: sure it will abort when trying to overwrite |
| 00:12.08 | GomoX | krowaa: use packages |
| 00:12.12 | valdyn | Sandman: like with any other package |
| 00:12.16 | PerfDave | krowaa: How did you install PHP without MySQL support? From a Debian package, or by compiling a Debian source package, or from non-Debian source? |
| 00:12.32 | krowaa | non-deb source |
| 00:12.34 | krowaa | php.net :P |
| 00:12.34 | rsd | rich_: hmm, weird erroR: ALSA lib control.c:654:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL /dev/mixer |
| 00:12.36 | krowaa | mysql.com |
| 00:12.38 | krowaa | etc |
| 00:12.44 | krowaa | I still habe |
| 00:12.46 | PerfDave | krowaa: And you didn't install them to /usr/local/ ? |
| 00:12.53 | krowaa | I did !!!! |
| 00:12.56 | krowaa | wrrr |
| 00:12.58 | krowaa | look |
| 00:13.01 | PerfDave | krowaa: You installed them to /usr/local? |
| 00:13.08 | rich_ | rsd is there a /dev/mixer? I use oss because it works better with my sound card |
| 00:13.14 | krowaa | usr/local/lib/php |
| 00:13.22 | PerfDave | krowaa: apt-get install php mysql |
| 00:13.22 | krowaa | /usr/local |
| 00:13.28 | krowaa | no :P |
| 00:13.34 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 00:13.34 | dpkg | <sgeigerbot> Ungy: Do you think I'm some kind of morong? |
| 00:13.38 | krowaa | I don't want to use apt !! :P |
| 00:13.42 | krowaa | ehh :} |
| 00:13.42 | PerfDave | krowaa: Why not? |
| 00:13.49 | krowaa | becouse... :) |
| 00:13.56 | rares000 | j/k |
| 00:14.05 | PerfDave | krowaa: It's the way to do what you want. |
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| 00:14.15 | krowaa | I just have |
| 00:14.16 | asittler_ | rich_: Why do you say OSS works better with your sound card? |
| 00:14.18 | doubleh1 | abrotman: in "!sid mozilla java" http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/JDK-1.4.1/i386/01/ returned 404 ... |
| 00:14.19 | krowaa | recompilled php !! |
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| 00:14.25 | PerfDave | krowaa: That's nice for you. |
| 00:14.26 | krowaa | and I want to install it once again !! |
| 00:14.35 | krowaa | thats all :) |
| 00:14.36 | PerfDave | krowaa: If you don't want to listen to help, then go away. |
| 00:15.01 | krowaa | I want...but u are asking me too many questions :) |
| 00:15.07 | rich_ | asittler_ Because its a maestro 2e and I play a lot of quake2. Quake2 is the only problem I have with alsa, but its reason enough for me to use the oss driver |
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| 00:15.09 | rsd | rich_, strange, it's only gmplayer that crashes, mpalyer from command works fine |
| 00:15.12 | abrotman | doubleh1: im sure it did |
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| 00:15.14 | krowaa | I just want to know how to :) over write files :) |
| 00:15.24 | space_cow_boy | I need to do some simple math for example, 1.2 * 5.53, is there some command line utility for this? |
| 00:15.27 | PerfDave | krowaa: Give me a good reason why you won't use apt, or I won't help you. |
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| 00:15.30 | ixi-deb05 | Hi |
| 00:15.35 | krowaa | I still have in my phpino(); built time set to 23.00 !! |
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| 00:15.42 | asittler_ | krowaa: PerfDave has a point. You don't ask for help and then shrug it off. |
| 00:15.48 | PerfDave | space_cow_boy: bc |
| 00:15.48 | rsd | rich_, is it necessary to download the codec packages from mplayerhq or are they in debian packages alrady? |
| 00:15.52 | krowaa | ah |
| 00:15.54 | rich_ | rsd Oh. Well as I said I just use mplayer and control it with script files and hotkeys |
| 00:15.55 | ixi-deb05 | What do I need to allow incoming connections to X? |
| 00:15.55 | asittler_ | rich_: How about OSS emulation? |
| 00:15.55 | doubleh1 | abrotman: ??? if you knew it, why do you ask me to read 404 pages ??? |
| 00:15.59 | PerfDave | rsd: w32codecs ? |
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| 00:16.09 | krowaa | I think I habe to do it by my self ;/ |
| 00:16.09 | nvz | I need to print on sarge with an HP PSC 2175v, I installed foomatic-gui, ran it as root, and all seems to go well detecting and setting it up but the printer never shows up after I hit apply? what should I be using to print in sarge? |
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| 00:16.11 | krowaa | ok thnx |
| 00:16.17 | rsd | PerfDave, i have that but there are two downloadable packages? |
| 00:16.23 | rich_ | rsd They are in debian packages, its just a question of finding the right package |
| 00:16.29 | PerfDave | rsd: Which two? |
| 00:16.42 | space_cow_boy | PerfDave thanks, that works |
| 00:16.49 | PerfDave | space_cow_boy: No worries |
| 00:16.59 | asittler_ | nvz: CUPS. |
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| 00:17.09 | rsd | PerfDave, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html , under "codecS" section |
| 00:17.10 | abrotman | doubleh1: i didn't know what wa sin there until i used it .. i didn't realize you were using it .. i even said it was super old |
| 00:17.11 | rich_ | asittler_ I tried compileing it in. It didnt seem to help. The problem is under quake2, alsa drivers make sound but the timeing is messed up. |
| 00:17.12 | krowaa | Build Date Sep 26 2004 23:58:52 (old ver) i have the same source, but new compilation and I don't know how to install the new bin files... (make install) does'nt work couse it still leave old files !! |
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| 00:17.31 | asittler_ | rich_: Ah, so it's latency-related. |
| 00:17.37 | Emma242 | I'm trying to modprobe ndiswrapper, just get "Invalid module format" anyone who has a cle? |
| 00:17.39 | Emma242 | *clue |
| 00:17.40 | PerfDave | krowaa: apt-get install php mysql. Now fuck off. |
| 00:17.40 | nvz | asittler_: I installed and removed cupsys already the cupsdconfig shows nothing about printers at all, seems to be a server config of some kind |
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| 00:18.05 | ixi-deb05 | What do I need to allow incoming connections to X? I'm using xdm and thought it is enough to set LISTEN 192.168.7.1 in /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess but there is no new opened ports after that. How to do that? |
| 00:18.15 | PerfDave | rsd: I'm not sure what's in those files. w32codecs is the Debian package you need, probably. |
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| 00:18.47 | nvz | asittler_: which part of cups do I need? |
| 00:18.47 | asittler_ | nvz: I had that problem as well. What I finally had to do was use Kprint and connect to the server from my desktop and configure the printer that way. |
| 00:18.49 | rich_ | asittler_ Yes. And I heard that its only with the 2e. My computer is a laptop, so its a "mobility" chipset. |
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| 00:19.05 | doubleh1 | abrotman: so ... JRE from SUN does not work; should Blackdown work better ? |
| 00:19.19 | asittler_ | cupsys is all you need, but you probably need another Linux machine |
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| 00:19.26 | PerfDave | Emma242: Where did you get your ndiswrapper module from? It's possible that it's compiled against a different / incompatiable kernel version. |
| 00:19.28 | abrotman | doubleh1: blackdown doesn't make them anymore afaik |
| 00:19.34 | Emma242 | aaww |
| 00:19.37 | abrotman | doubleh1: you might have more luck in #java |
| 00:19.39 | freemo | PerfDave, that faq you mentioned earlier.. it isnt on my system.. could yous end me a copy of it? |
| 00:19.41 | nvz | asittler_: sounds like you understand less than I do |
| 00:19.41 | Emma242 | I compiled it myself |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | doubleh1: or #mozilla |
| 00:19.57 | Emma242 | with 2.6.7 sources, wich is the kernel I use |
| 00:20.00 | PerfDave | freemo: It'll be on your system when you install the xserver-common package. |
| 00:20.00 | asittler_ | nvz: As you wish. |
| 00:20.08 | nvz | foomatic seems to be the easy way to do this, but the printer never shows up after I hit apply |
| 00:20.15 | PerfDave | freemo: Each package has documentation in /usr/share/doc/PACKAGENAME/ |
| 00:20.21 | freemo | PerfDave, i have that installed (it was installed as a dependency when i installed xserver-xfree86) |
| 00:20.25 | asittler_ | ah, thanks for reminding me, I need a kernel upgrade on hermes. |
| 00:20.28 | nvz | asittler_: there is no way I or anyone needs two pcs to print to a local printer |
| 00:20.32 | freemo | PerfDave, oh /usr/share/doc |
| 00:20.40 | freemo | PerfDave, the link you gave me pointed elsewhere |
| 00:21.00 | asittler_ | Right. |
| 00:21.03 | PerfDave | freemo: Yes, that's because that message is five years old and refers to Debian slink, not Debian sarge :) |
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| 00:21.12 | PerfDave | freemo: I also told you what file you needed |
| 00:21.33 | PerfDave | 00:41 < PerfDave> The file is /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz |
| 00:21.38 | asittler_ | But I had to do that due to an annoying bug in cupsd. |
| 00:21.46 | Emma242 | PerfDave, my kernel image is 2.6.7-1 and my sources are just 2.6.7, does that difference matter? |
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| 00:21.55 | freemo | PerfDave, sorry.. i jsut saved the link.. figured they were botht he same |
| 00:22.01 | nvz | I have my usb and usb print drivers loaded, the printer is detected, I just need to know how or what to setup to use this hpijs or whatever to print |
| 00:22.12 | asittler_ | Is that what they're calling debian testing now? Slink? |
| 00:22.15 | PerfDave | Emma242: Where did you get the ndiswrapper module from? |
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| 00:22.23 | PerfDave | asittler_: No, slink is a very old Debian distribution. |
| 00:22.25 | PerfDave | !slink |
| 00:22.25 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
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| 00:22.32 | PerfDave | !hamm |
| 00:22.32 | dpkg | methinks hamm is Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 00:22.34 | nvz | asittler_: slink is 2.2 and testing is sarge |
| 00:22.39 | asittler_ | Oh. |
| 00:22.49 | asittler_ | Testing is still sarge. |
| 00:23.05 | brock | hey guys |
| 00:23.06 | PerfDave | asittler_: Until sarge goes stable and testing becomes etch, yes. |
| 00:23.11 | Emma242 | PerfDave, I compiled it from the sources from ndiswrapper.sourceforge... |
| 00:23.14 | gaasfet | thomas_adam: found a fix for cdrecord |
| 00:23.17 | brock | anyone use M$ Exchange with evolution? |
| 00:23.35 | gaasfet | thomas_adam: well I use xcdroast |
| 00:23.36 | thomas_adam | gaasfet: Well done. |
| 00:23.47 | thomas_adam | gaasfet: That's not a fix. |
| 00:23.56 | asittler_ | I have a sid box and a sarge box. I don't run woody. |
| 00:23.58 | gaasfet | thomas_adam: more like medium rare |
| 00:24.12 | thomas_adam | Mmmmm, steak. |
| 00:24.18 | axi0m | im trying to install x and i keep getting an error (error code 1) from apt when it tries to install xfonts base 4.3.0 |
| 00:24.18 | PerfDave | Emma242: Hmm, it possibly gave you different or incorrect build instructions. Try googling for "ndiswrapper Debian" or something? I haven't used ndiswrapper, I'm afraid I can't really be of help. |
| 00:24.19 | asittler_ | Woody is just... too deprecated. |
| 00:24.30 | erevly | i have a box where i can only ping the internal network, but nothing on the internet, and yet all my other boxs have internet :( |
| 00:24.32 | brock | woody is good for servers though, no? |
| 00:24.35 | thomas_adam | asittler_: Really? |
| 00:24.36 | axi0m | i've tried reinstalling and removing |
| 00:24.43 | axi0m | to no prevail |
| 00:24.47 | Emma242 | argh, searched and fiddled for 5 hours now, no success... darn |
| 00:24.48 | asittler_ | erevly: Check your routing configs. |
| 00:24.49 | axi0m | help! :P |
| 00:24.50 | PerfDave | Woody's still very useful for lots of things. All my servers run Woody. |
| 00:24.53 | gaasfet | thomas_adam: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3644 /dev/cdrom instead of the 0,0,0 stuff. |
| 00:24.59 | brock | yea, my router runs on woody |
| 00:25.05 | PerfDave | erevly: Have you got your gateway set properly in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:25.15 | gaasfet | my wife runs on woody |
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| 00:25.16 | brock | workstation on the other hand will always be testing |
| 00:25.19 | PerfDave | axi0m: What actual error does it give you? |
| 00:25.38 | erevly | PerfDave: how do I set it? :| |
| 00:25.45 | asittler_ | My server runs Sarge, but only because it's more up-to-date, and contains relatively modern packages, like the latest apache. |
| 00:25.45 | brock | I should soon have a G5 at home |
| 00:25.48 | PerfDave | erevly: in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:25.49 | erevly | I've never seen a gateway directive |
| 00:25.53 | PerfDave | erevly: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:26.08 | PerfDave | asittler_: But has no security updates |
| 00:26.21 | brock | so .. no evolution/exchange users? |
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| 00:26.27 | axi0m | Errors encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/xfonts-base_4.3.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb |
| 00:26.29 | PerfDave | citral: Woody is still more stable and secure than Sarge. |
| 00:26.31 | asittler_ | Risks vs, balances, PerfDave. |
| 00:26.36 | rich_ | Nothing wrong with woody for a server. The problem comes when you try to compile some new game and it says it needs some new fangled lib. But for a serious server you dont need new libs. |
| 00:26.46 | axi0m | E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 00:26.54 | rich_ | You need stable ones |
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| 00:26.55 | PerfDave | asittler_: Yes, of course. But there is still a point to running Woody. |
| 00:27.09 | PerfDave | Security is more important than stability for my servers. |
| 00:27.21 | nvz | so is this right the cupsys is the only package I need to print? |
| 00:27.26 | erevly | PerfDave: I get this message: ping: sendto: Network is unreachable - ping: wrote 68.9.16.25 64 chars, ret=-1 |
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| 00:27.55 | cafuego | brock: I use evolution, but not exchange. |
| 00:28.09 | PerfDave | erevly: Are you using DHCP or static IPs on your LAN? |
| 00:28.13 | erevly | static ips |
| 00:28.20 | cafuego | brock: I'm considering trying that new thing that got released a while back, once the evolution support for it is all finished. |
| 00:28.21 | brock | cafuego: I see. Thanks for responding at least. |
| 00:28.23 | erevly | which worked, until I moved my box into another room |
| 00:28.37 | PerfDave | erevly: You have plugged the cable in, right? ;p |
| 00:28.43 | asittler_ | I care about having modern software. You care about stabiliy and security. |
| 00:28.43 | brock | who here likes open office fonts? |
| 00:28.44 | cafuego | brock: In the mean time, let me send you my mailing address, so you can forward that G5 to me once it arrives. |
| 00:28.47 | PerfDave | erevly: Have you set your gateway correctly in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:28.49 | erevly | I can ping my local network, so yes :p |
| 00:28.51 | erevly | yah |
| 00:28.56 | erevly | I put gateway 192.168.0.1 :o |
| 00:28.57 | brock | cafuego: =) |
| 00:29.14 | PerfDave | erevly: Have you used ifdown and ifup to apply the new settings to the interface? |
| 00:29.18 | erevly | yes |
| 00:29.19 | abrotman | java sucks |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | don't use it |
| 00:29.21 | SNIa_ | brock: which G5 you get? |
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| 00:29.26 | abrotman | it is the work of the devil!!! |
| 00:29.32 | brock | SNIa: the lowest one |
| 00:29.33 | PerfDave | erevly: Does "route -n" show 192.168.0.1 as the default gateway for your system? |
| 00:29.33 | asittler_ | augh, what's the package that makes network configuration easy? |
| 00:29.36 | brock | I hear it's heavy |
| 00:29.42 | PerfDave | asittler_: etherconf |
| 00:29.44 | asittler_ | I hae run it enough I should know. |
| 00:29.47 | SNIa_ | brock: it is very heavy |
| 00:29.47 | erevly | nvm now it works |
| 00:29.51 | asittler_ | that's the one. |
| 00:29.54 | stianj | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.58 | erevly | i was doing ifconfig eth0 down and it took it down, and did up to bring it up |
| 00:29.58 | cafuego | brock: The lowest one is still 1.8GHz |
| 00:29.59 | brock | SNIa: isn't it like ... 40lbs? |
| 00:30.02 | gaasfet | abrotman: debian java gave me fits but Blackdown works |
| 00:30.03 | erevly | but I guess it didn't cycle the changes :( |
| 00:30.08 | SNIa_ | brock: there is a reason for 2 handles |
| 00:30.15 | brock | cafuego: yea, it's dual but it doesn't to PCI-X which sucks |
| 00:30.17 | erevly | 40lbs is nothing :X |
| 00:30.21 | PerfDave | erevly: You should use ifdown and ifup to take interfaces up and down, only use ifconfig to examine settings. |
| 00:30.31 | erevly | okey, thanks ^_^ |
| 00:30.36 | brock | I think my PC weighs ... less than 10lbs |
| 00:30.37 | PerfDave | erevly: No worries :) |
| 00:30.43 | bob2 | someine really should port debian's network system to iproute2. |
| 00:30.45 | axi0m | PerfDave, did you catch those errors? |
| 00:30.45 | brock | NVM, less than 20lba |
| 00:30.47 | brock | lbs* |
| 00:30.50 | erevly | My gaming rig weighs in excess of 80lbs |
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| 00:30.58 | abrotman | gaasfet: good .. help doubleh1 |
| 00:31.00 | abrotman | or whatever he was |
| 00:31.04 | PerfDave | axi0m: Yes, neither of them were useful. Paste the entire output to #flood. |
| 00:31.04 | brock | does anyone have a G5 in here? |
| 00:31.12 | brock | I'd like to install Linux on it |
| 00:31.16 | axi0m | PerfDave, k |
| 00:31.17 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:31.17 | dpkg | ppc is probably short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 00:31.48 | asittler_ | My school (IMHO)wasted(/imho) ((1500 * 15) + 2000 * 15)) on Dual 1.8GHz G5s with MITSUBISHI monitors last year. |
| 00:32.07 | brock | I've got a dual Xeon 2.4 at work |
| 00:32.07 | PerfDave | asittler_: What were they used for? |
| 00:32.10 | sussudio | no, ppc is probably "i paid out of my ass for this so i'm pretending it's value for money" |
| 00:32.15 | brock | I was damn happy to see a Xeon but when I saw dual .... |
| 00:32.17 | erevly | if they were used for a regular library setup |
| 00:32.19 | erevly | then yes, wasted. |
| 00:32.28 | aspirinas | hi to alll!!!!! |
| 00:32.29 | asittler_ | Computer Science 1 kids write HTML on them. |
| 00:32.33 | erevly | :( |
| 00:32.35 | erevly | wasted. |
| 00:32.43 | erevly | you can write HTML on a pda. :/ |
| 00:32.49 | asittler_ | They do a little with Photoshop Elements.\ |
| 00:32.53 | erevly | hah |
| 00:32.55 | PerfDave | asittler_: Steal them, replace them with 1GHz Durons and nobody will notice ;) |
| 00:32.59 | asittler_ | Exactly. |
| 00:33.05 | brock | .. durons ..... |
| 00:33.08 | asittler_ | Tempting. |
| 00:33.12 | erevly | celerons imo. |
| 00:33.18 | brock | .... not celerons ..... |
| 00:33.32 | erevly | a 2.2ghz celeron is like |
| 00:33.34 | erevly | $55 |
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| 00:33.37 | brock | ha |
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| 00:33.38 | PerfDave | Hell, I've got a 1.4GHz Athlon on my gaming box. |
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| 00:33.44 | asittler_ | Except the Durons can't be made to look like G5s. |
| 00:33.50 | brock | i've got that on my PC |
| 00:33.54 | brock | 1.4 Ghz |
| 00:33.58 | erevly | heh |
| 00:34.03 | brock | it's damn faster than 2.0Ghz celerons at work |
| 00:34.03 | stianj | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.04 | erevly | 1.4ghz athlons run HOT |
| 00:34.06 | erevly | yah |
| 00:34.07 | PerfDave | asittler_: Put them in the same cases ;) |
| 00:34.10 | asittler_ | \my\ gaming box is a 180Mhz PPc 603ev. |
| 00:34.20 | brock | am I the only dumbass that doens't play games? |
| 00:34.22 | erevly | athlons have always towered over celerons/pentium 3s/pentium4s |
| 00:34.30 | PerfDave | Heh, there are no games for PPC ;) |
| 00:34.31 | erevly | in terms of performance |
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| 00:34.52 | asittler_ | All the gaming I do is WarCraft 2, Diablo 1, StarCraft, and Brood War. |
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| 00:34.58 | numist | woo |
| 00:35.12 | PerfDave | axi0m: Are you going to post those errors? |
| 00:35.13 | brock | my gaming = practicing "Texas Flood" on my strat |
| 00:35.22 | erevly | asittler_: quake :D |
| 00:35.28 | The_Vulture | asittler_: bah. Missing the classic: Total Annihilation :) |
| 00:35.34 | sussudio | what's the point of leafblowers? |
| 00:35.39 | asittler_ | No, I don't play Quake. |
| 00:35.45 | erevly | asittler_: it's fun :( |
| 00:35.46 | brock | speaking of games, why wasn't CS ever released for Linux? |
| 00:35.47 | asittler_ | I used to, though. |
| 00:35.59 | deviousubb | I thought CS was released on linux |
| 00:36.01 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: uh, the name kind of says it all. |
| 00:36.02 | PerfDave | sussudio: So posh people can waste money and pollute the environment and have clean lawns. |
| 00:36.06 | deviousubb | along with other HL mods |
| 00:36.15 | erevly | a lot of people just play it in wine |
| 00:36.18 | asittler_ | For the same reason HL wasn't. |
| 00:36.18 | erevly | don't seem to mind :o |
| 00:36.19 | Agrajag- | no, it never was, and unless valve change their minds, never will be |
| 00:36.21 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: posh people use turf vacuums. |
| 00:36.31 | Agrajag- | servers run on linux though |
| 00:36.35 | erevly | indeed |
| 00:36.42 | asittler_ | The CS /server/ is on Linux, the client wasn't |
| 00:36.42 | guestish | servers always run on linux |
| 00:36.45 | erevly | and for good reason :) |
| 00:36.45 | sussudio | PerfDave: that's what rakes are for, aren't they? |
| 00:36.48 | guestish | just never the client |
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| 00:36.56 | barkeeper | hi all |
| 00:36.59 | PerfDave | sussudio: leaf blowers are for people too stupid and lazy for rakes :) |
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| 00:37.02 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: if you've ever tried to rake a huge lawn, you'd know why people use leaf blowers.. |
| 00:37.12 | brock | servers always on linux. That should be MOTD |
| 00:37.19 | guestish | well its true |
| 00:37.20 | erevly | dondelelcaro: hire some kids from the neighborhood |
| 00:37.24 | brock | damn right! |
| 00:37.26 | barkeeper | someone please can clue me on how to start webmin in a way i can access it from non-127.0.0.1 please? |
| 00:37.31 | erevly | ? |
| 00:37.36 | guestish | barkeeper: read the manual |
| 00:37.41 | erevly | barkeeper: it should listen on all interfaces :| |
| 00:37.44 | dondelelcaro | erevly: that costs more money... if I had cashish to spend on that, I'd get a riding turf vacuum. |
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| 00:37.52 | barkeeper | guestish: i did |
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| 00:37.59 | erevly | dondelelcaro: king of the lawn? :p |
| 00:38.04 | brock | I am trying to convince my boss to get Xserve G5s |
| 00:38.05 | guestish | barkeeper: then dont use it and learn the true way to configure thigns |
| 00:38.07 | brock | the pricing ain't bad at all |
| 00:38.07 | guestish | barkeeper: things |
| 00:38.12 | barkeeper | erevly: no way, apt-get installs it on 127.0.0.1 only |
| 00:38.14 | asittler_ | Oh, people with rakes have been known to accomplish stuff. |
| 00:38.31 | iconoclast88 | i installed sarge 2.4.27xx on my machine. I know my nvidia geforce 2 and 17 inch monitor will support 1024. By default it starts me at 800 x 600. I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and try to reconfigure and I put in the data to the best of my knowledge but when i'm done I startx and it says "fatal error" My question is, is there a GUI tool to change my settings to 1024 resolution? |
| 00:38.34 | erevly | barkeeper: grab the source then |
| 00:38.42 | dondelelcaro | barkeeper: uh, you really don't want to change it to non 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:38.44 | bob2 | don't enoucrage people to do stupid things |
| 00:38.47 | cafuego | Yay! postfix with SPF working :-) |
| 00:38.51 | dondelelcaro | barkeeper: but regardless, it's in the configuration. |
| 00:38.52 | guestish | iconoclast88: most likely no |
| 00:38.56 | dondelelcaro | !webmin |
| 00:38.56 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 00:39.11 | barkeeper | dondelelcaro: i really want... its a root server located somewhere else |
| 00:39.14 | iconoclast88 | man. |
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| 00:39.26 | dondelelcaro | barkeeper: uh, so use ssh + $EDITOR |
| 00:39.31 | cafuego | barkeeper: That's what 'ssh' is for. |
| 00:39.31 | doublehp | !firefox java |
| 00:39.43 | erevly | learn how to manage a server from the command line |
| 00:39.45 | doublehp | !konquerror java |
| 00:39.48 | guestish | barkeeper: use ssh |
| 00:39.48 | dondelelcaro | barkeeper: or if you really must, ssh + www-browser + webmin |
| 00:39.49 | erevly | and you won't turn into a dolt sys admin |
| 00:39.55 | iconoclast88 | I even did the simple configuration. If the defaults in setup found my video resolution why can't the simple setup when reconfiguring find the settings?\ |
| 00:39.59 | barkeeper | ssh is what i need to configure properly... to use only v2 and compression |
| 00:40.10 | guestish | barkeeper: nano /etc/ssh.conf |
| 00:40.12 | cafuego | barkeeper: Edit /etc/sshd_config then. |
| 00:40.13 | erevly | barkeeper: the cli is your friend. |
| 00:40.19 | cafuego | barkeeper: Edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config then. |
| 00:40.22 | barkeeper | guestish: ah, thnx |
| 00:40.22 | dondelelcaro | barkeeper: you don't need compression, and by default, Debian's ssh is v2 only. |
| 00:40.23 | doublehp | !sid firefox java |
| 00:40.25 | guestish | barkeeper: er, nvm |
| 00:40.27 | sussudio | brock: are you the same brock that was on nettally.com yesterday? |
| 00:40.28 | cafuego | I think the latter is the right one. |
| 00:40.30 | The_Vulture | what cafuego said |
| 00:40.31 | doublehp | !sid konquerror java |
| 00:40.33 | guestish | barkeeper: its /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 00:40.43 | brock | sussudio: uhmm, don't think so |
| 00:41.00 | barkeeper | ok, thanks so far then :)# |
| 00:41.23 | iconoclast88 | would kernel 2.6 find my video card/monitor settings easier? |
| 00:41.28 | dbron | hi all, compiling php4 for db3 on stable does this look right? I tried without the path but that failed. --with-db3=/usr/lib/ |
| 00:41.29 | guestish | iconoclast88: no |
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| 00:41.41 | guestish | iconoclast88: the kernel does not detect that kind of thing |
| 00:41.43 | barkeeper | dondelelcaro: and btw i do need compression since being on a 8k dialup line :) |
| 00:41.45 | rsd | hey what should i do if my bash prompt doesn't continue to the next line when i have too many characters for oneline? |
| 00:42.03 | bob2 | dbron: doesn't php4 in Debian come with bdb support? |
| 00:42.05 | dondelelcaro | barkeeper: for ssh your main issue is latency. compression generally doesn't help much with that. |
| 00:42.06 | guestish | rsd: scratch you head and/or bang it on the table :) |
| 00:42.11 | dbron | bob2: not db3 |
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| 00:42.20 | dbron | bob2: it has ndbm |
| 00:42.22 | iconoclast88 | thanks guetish |
| 00:42.29 | rsd | guestish, tried it but i got tired |
| 00:42.32 | dondelelcaro | barkeeper: unless you're doing stupid things, compression isn't going to do much for you. |
| 00:42.33 | guestish | rsd: :) |
| 00:42.34 | YargoFlick | rsd: check out your settings in /etc/inputrc |
| 00:42.36 | barkeeper | dondelelcaro: good argument... hmmm... |
| 00:42.44 | PerfDave | dbron: How are you compiling? From a Debian source package? |
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| 00:42.48 | guestish | dondelelcaro: remember what he asked orginially... |
| 00:42.51 | dbron | PerfDave: yes |
| 00:42.52 | dondelelcaro | barkeeper: and when it is, you're transfering files with compression already. |
| 00:42.55 | green-earz | barkeeper: did you find what you whated with webmin but not here is the url for it http://myhost:10000 |
| 00:43.04 | PerfDave | dbron: Just checking ;) |
| 00:43.12 | PerfDave | dbron: Don't forget to pin the package afterwards ;) |
| 00:43.20 | dbron | PerfDave: what other way is there??? |
| 00:43.23 | dbron | heh |
| 00:43.38 | barkeeper | green-earz: according to webmin config, access is restricted to localhost only |
| 00:43.41 | YargoFlick | rsd: also look at man readline |
| 00:43.56 | brock | alright, thanks for all the help people |
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| 00:44.22 | bob2 | use an ssh tunnel |
| 00:44.26 | rsd | YargoFlick, i have no problem with the default debian prompt but i put in a custom one and this happens .. so i thin kit's something with my PS1 |
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| 00:44.49 | freemo | PerfDave, as far as the mouse button thing.. no one and no thing ids of any helpe.. ive googled and talking in xfree86.. xmodmap causes the same problem.. and i looked at xev and it trells me what is happening but not why (when i reverse the buttons it acts like each of the buttons are both of them..s o hitting the right button is like hitting right and left at the same time) |
| 00:45.03 | YargoFlick | rsd: are you using colours in your prompt, they mess things up a bit. |
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| 00:45.10 | rsd | YargoFlick, yeah |
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| 00:45.55 | YargoFlick | rsd: all I can say is don't use colours in your prompt, it never works. |
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| 00:47.01 | dondelelcaro | YargoFlick: it actually works fine. You just have to know what you're doing. |
| 00:47.46 | YargoFlick | dondelecaro: I always ended up with strange scrolling when my input lines got too long |
| 00:47.47 | PerfDave | freemo: Try mailing debian-user or the Debian X mailing list, see if anybody can help there? |
| 00:47.51 | rsd | This is my PS1 right now: PS1="[\[\033[1;33m\]\u\[\033[0m\]@\[\033[1;32m\]\h\[\033[0m\]]-[\[\033[0;31m\]\w\033[0m\]]-->\[\033[0m\] " |
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| 00:48.04 | rsd | looks fine, just output continues on the same line instaed of going on a new one |
| 00:48.16 | PerfDave | freemo: Or open the mouse up and swap the microswitches around ;) |
| 00:48.24 | ndee | how can I check which audio device is being used? |
| 00:48.42 | freemo | PerfDave, seriously.. im gonna rewire the mouse.. it cant be too hard |
| 00:48.45 | FrdFlint | is there a shockwave app available for sarge? |
| 00:48.58 | guestish | FrdFlint: at www.macromedia.com |
| 00:49.03 | axi0m | PerfDave, sorry I have the output now.. I was using VMware and couldn't easily copy the error |
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| 00:49.30 | PerfDave | FrdFlint: apt-cache search flash |
| 00:49.35 | gusman | hola |
| 00:49.40 | gusman | alguien me lee ? |
| 00:49.41 | dondelelcaro | YargoFlick: yeah, those issues aren't unusual if you don't have it exactly right. |
| 00:49.48 | PerfDave | axi0m: OK |
| 00:49.53 | FrdFlint | i looked at macromedia they havent got one for kde, any idea where i can get one for kde or mozzilla firefox? |
| 00:49.55 | PerfDave | !br |
| 00:49.55 | dpkg | somebody said br was Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:50.02 | FrdFlint | ok will try apt |
| 00:50.09 | PerfDave | !es |
| 00:50.09 | dpkg | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 00:50.23 | axi0m | PerfDave, thanks :) |
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| 00:50.54 | mbirkis | !no |
| 00:50.54 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 00:51.01 | guestish | !yes |
| 00:51.01 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 00:51.07 | freemo | hahahah |
| 00:51.12 | FrdFlint | thanks for the help PerfDave |
| 00:51.44 | guestish | FrdFlint: the mozilla/netscape one IS the macromedia one |
| 00:51.54 | guestish | FrdFlint: and its also the KDE and the firefox one |
| 00:52.11 | PerfDave | axi0m: Looks like a buggy package to me... |
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| 00:52.30 | axi0m | PerfDave, all i did was "aptget install x-window-system" |
| 00:52.37 | axi0m | and that's the one it tried to download |
| 00:52.43 | freemo | PerfDave, im just glad im not left handed, or else this would really be a problem |
| 00:52.46 | FrdFlint | ok thanks all i got was an error there telling me it was the wrong one, will install it anyway , thanks again |
| 00:52.46 | PerfDave | axi0m: Yeah, I don't think you did anything wrong. |
| 00:52.59 | guestish | axi0m: whats the problem? |
| 00:53.05 | axi0m | PerfDave, any suggestions? |
| 00:53.25 | guestish | axi0m: i wanna put in my 2 cents :) |
| 00:53.26 | axi0m | guestish, i tried installing x and got stuck when it tried installed xfonts |
| 00:53.33 | guestish | axi0m: stuck as in how? |
| 00:53.37 | axi0m | it won't install |
| 00:53.43 | axi0m | would like to see the error? :P |
| 00:53.46 | guestish | axi0m: #flood |
| 00:53.50 | axi0m | definantly |
| 00:53.57 | guestish | axi0m: paste away |
| 00:54.00 | PerfDave | axi0m: Seems that the deb file is corrupted. |
| 00:54.33 | axi0m | *definitly |
| 00:54.36 | PerfDave | axi0m: You might try "apt-get --reinstall install xfonts-base" but I'm not sure whether that will re-download it again. |
| 00:54.48 | axi0m | PerfDave, yeah i tried that |
| 00:54.51 | axi0m | i tried removing it |
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| 00:55.26 | PerfDave | axi0m: Try "apt-get --purge remove xfonts-base", then "apt-cache clean", then "apt-get install xfonts-base" and see if that helps? |
| 00:55.32 | PerfDave | sorry, that should be "apt-get clean" |
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| 00:55.46 | PerfDave | That'll delete your locally archived Debian packages and download them from the server again. |
| 00:55.57 | guestish | axi0m: how much space? |
| 00:56.07 | axi0m | Perf, okay |
| 00:56.12 | axi0m | guestish, what do you mean? |
| 00:56.20 | guestish | axi0m: how much space is life on your hard drive |
| 00:56.26 | axi0m | ohh |
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| 00:56.36 | Seg_Fault | hi all (again); for some reason, random input widgets keep switching to some sort of asian font. i'm not aware of hitting any buttons to cause this, but I don't know. any ideas? |
| 00:56.44 | axi0m | 3g avail |
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| 00:57.02 | guestish | axi0m: this unstable? |
| 00:57.11 | WES187 | Hey guys.. Is there a linux game like morrowind that is free and online gameplay? or anything similar? or sort of the same? or any good games? |
| 00:57.18 | axi0m | if that's what sarge is |
| 00:57.23 | guestish | axi0m: uh, no its not :) |
| 00:57.24 | PerfDave | guestish: testing, going by the version of xfonts-base |
| 00:57.47 | axi0m | sarge is the middle guy right? |
| 00:57.53 | guestish | axi0m: heh, yeah |
| 00:57.55 | kromagg | WES187: I don't know any free ones or whatever but neverwinter nights has a linux version |
| 00:58.41 | asittler_ | Is there a somewhat solid release date for Sarge? |
| 00:58.50 | PerfDave | asittler_: Yes, WIR ;) |
| 00:59.05 | WES187 | kromagg: I have neverwinter nights and it isn't all that good ): |
| 00:59.33 | guestish | axi0m: do "strace dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/xfonts-base_4.3.0.dfsg.1-4_all.deb" and see what happens |
| 00:59.43 | guestish | axi0m: read the output to get the error |
| 00:59.43 | axi0m | k |
| 00:59.44 | KecKstar | if i want to get my .config file for my KERNEL to use on the new sources i d/l where should it be??? |
| 00:59.50 | kromagg | WES187: did you get past the tutorial ;) this isn't very debian support related though... |
| 01:00.03 | PerfDave | KecKstar: Debian kernels will have /boot/config-* |
| 01:00.04 | useruser | kromagg: /boot |
| 01:00.05 | Seg_Fault | KecKstar: in /boot, usually |
| 01:00.08 | axi0m | sorry if this seems slow, i have to type all the commands in |
| 01:00.09 | guestish | KecKstar: /boot/config-kernelversion |
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| 01:00.12 | axi0m | im using vmware |
| 01:00.12 | rich_ | asittler_ Probably this year or next year. Thats pretty solid considering the magnitude of the event |
| 01:00.14 | PerfDave | KecKstar: Running 2.6 kernels will have /proc/config.gz if you compiled that in. |
| 01:00.16 | axi0m | i can't paste |
| 01:00.18 | useruser | kromagg: (sorry) |
| 01:00.22 | dbron | hrm, still getting this error trying ot compile php4 with db3, any suggestions?? configure: error: Header contains different version |
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| 01:00.34 | KecKstar | ok so then do i just copy it over to the new dir and run #make oldconfig? |
| 01:00.38 | guestish | axi0m: vmware could be the problem, but who knows |
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| 01:00.46 | axi0m | well, it has worked before |
| 01:00.49 | PerfDave | WES187: Return to Castle Wolfenstein and Quake 3 Arena have Linux binaries (but aren't RPGs), and Doom 3 is on the way ;) |
| 01:00.50 | dbron | I used --with-db3=/usr/lib/ |
| 01:00.50 | Marsian | what is a good command line sftp client with tab completion? |
| 01:00.55 | axi0m | i just removed the vm |
| 01:00.57 | axi0m | and started over |
| 01:01.20 | guestish | Marsian: i just use sftp... |
| 01:01.30 | Marsian | but it doesnt have tab completion |
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| 01:01.39 | guestish | Marsian: well you can use putty's |
| 01:01.43 | Seg_Fault | after a stock debian install, if i compile a 64-bit kernel, is stuff gonna stop working? |
| 01:01.50 | guestish | Marsian: putty-tools |
| 01:01.51 | dondelelcaro | Marsian: lftp will do it. |
| 01:01.58 | kromagg | useruser: np |
| 01:01.58 | axi0m | strace |
| 01:02.01 | PerfDave | Seg_Fault: Are you running on amd64? |
| 01:02.03 | axi0m | not found |
| 01:02.04 | guestish | axi0m: yes |
| 01:02.07 | guestish | axi0m: o_O |
| 01:02.07 | Marsian | dondelelcaro : i was trying to compile lftp, but it gives me errors |
| 01:02.09 | Seg_Fault | PerfDave: yes, yes i am. |
| 01:02.15 | dondelelcaro | Marsian: compile? just install the silly thing. |
| 01:02.16 | PerfDave | Seg_Fault: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 01:02.21 | guestish | axi0m: well install it |
| 01:02.29 | Marsian | dondelelcaro : what do you mean? |
| 01:02.51 | KecKstar | after i copy /boot/config-* to the /usr/src/linux dir should i rename it or does it goto a different directory?? |
| 01:02.54 | useruser | Marsian: he means apt-get install it |
| 01:03.01 | FrdFlint | PerfDave apt-get install swf-player and shockwave works great ,thanks |
| 01:03.01 | PerfDave | KecKstar: Call it .config |
| 01:03.06 | KecKstar | thanks :) |
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| 01:03.11 | guestish | Marsian: apt-get install lftp and/or apt-get install putty-tools |
| 01:03.13 | PerfDave | KecKstar: Remember to use make-kpkg to compile kernels |
| 01:03.17 | ugly | I want to do a 'sed' (or similar) operation on a line like 'echo "blah -"', but I also want to preserve spacing between what I replace "blah" with and the end "-" - how could I do this in a shell script? |
| 01:03.19 | rsd | awesome |
| 01:03.22 | rsd | all my stuff works |
| 01:03.24 | rsd | now what? :/ |
| 01:03.30 | Marsian | thanks guestish and dondelelcaro |
| 01:03.33 | KecKstar | PerfDave thanks |
| 01:03.36 | Marsian | much appreciated |
| 01:03.53 | The_Vulture | ugly: use a matching group and reference it in the result.. |
| 01:04.25 | guestish | np |
| 01:04.39 | guestish | rsd: celebrate |
| 01:04.39 | Marsian | guestish : if i install the putty-tools does that change the default sftp command, or is it like putty-sftp? |
| 01:04.46 | guestish | Marsian: psftp |
| 01:04.51 | ugly | The_Vulture: heh I'll have to search up on that as I have very little idea what that means - any recommended ways of searching google matching groups / referencing? |
| 01:04.51 | Marsian | thanks gain |
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| 01:05.00 | guestish | :) |
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| 01:05.03 | useruser | ugly: i don't think i understand the question. doesn't echo "blah -" | sed -e 's/blah/bleh/' do what you want? |
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| 01:05.40 | ugly | useruser: say I want to do 'echo "blah -" | sed -e 's/blah/whatever/'' |
| 01:05.50 | axi0m | i can't install anything because it keeps saying something about dependencies |
| 01:05.56 | ugly | useruser: and preserve the original white spacing between the text and - |
| 01:05.57 | dondelelcaro | ugly: you mean rip out the same number of spacese that you have in whatever? |
| 01:05.59 | guestish | axi0m: dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:06.03 | axi0m | k |
| 01:06.05 | ugly | dondelelcaro: yep |
| 01:06.16 | jlott | is mysql available via dselect? |
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| 01:06.26 | axi0m | guestish, what does that do? |
| 01:06.28 | PerfDave | jlott: apt-get install mysql |
| 01:06.31 | The_Vulture | ugly: you'd want to find some basic sed regex documentation.. |
| 01:06.33 | useruser | ugly: but running that command _does_ preserve the spacing |
| 01:06.34 | ugly | dondelelcaro: I bet this is easy to do if you know perl, but I suck ;) |
| 01:06.35 | axi0m | PerfDave, see ya.. thanks for your help :) |
| 01:06.37 | jlott | PerfDave thanks |
| 01:06.43 | guestish | axi0m: configures all the half-installed packages |
| 01:06.48 | axi0m | guestish, ahh |
| 01:06.50 | axi0m | neat |
| 01:06.51 | Marsian | guestish : does psftp tab completion need to be activated? |
| 01:07.05 | useruser | ugly: it comes back with "whatever -" - is this not what you mean? |
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| 01:07.09 | KecKstar | i ran #cp /boot/config-2.6 /usr/src/linux/.config so if i type #make menuconfig will it use my .config from boot to make new kernel??? |
| 01:07.14 | guestish | Marsian: dunno, i dont use sftp and i dont think i've ever used psftp |
| 01:07.15 | dondelelcaro | ugly: well, in perl it's really simple. You use length $foo; substr; to rip out the first length $foo; characters out of $bar; and then concatenate the two together. |
| 01:07.17 | ugly | useruser: sorry, I phrased it incorrectly - I DON'T want it to preserve the spacing :P |
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| 01:07.40 | useruser | ugly: ok. 's/blah */whatever/' |
| 01:07.40 | kurumin | alguem aqui fala portugues |
| 01:07.41 | guestish | Marsian: i was just throwing it out as an idea |
| 01:07.44 | axi0m | guestish, still getting that same error when i try to install strace |
| 01:07.45 | guestish | !br |
| 01:07.46 | dpkg | i heard br is Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:08.02 | dondelelcaro | ugly: but it may be easier just to parse the whole thing and use sprintf |
| 01:08.04 | bob2 | and he/she's not even using Debian |
| 01:08.05 | bob2 | touching |
| 01:08.06 | guestish | axi0m: do apt-get -f install |
| 01:08.12 | guestish | bob2: ? |
| 01:08.24 | ugly | useruser: well, not quite like that - I don't want it to preserve the spacing, but I want to preserve the *alignment* I suppose |
| 01:08.32 | KecKstar | lol i type #make menuconfig and it says make: sommand not found... what should i apt-get ???? |
| 01:08.36 | bob2 | guestish: kurumin is Yet Another Lame Debian Derivative Live Thingy |
| 01:08.37 | useruser | ugly: ahhhh |
| 01:08.45 | bob2 | KecKstar: install build-essential and libncurses5-dev |
| 01:08.46 | KecKstar | nm |
| 01:08.51 | bob2 | KecKstar: it's in the FAQ, no less. |
| 01:08.52 | guestish | bob2: no kidding...someone should index those things one day |
| 01:08.53 | KecKstar | i apt-get install make |
| 01:08.54 | Erick | ok now we got some Good Fonts, |
| 01:08.56 | Erick | feels good |
| 01:08.56 | axi0m | guestish, hmm.. it's downloading now |
| 01:09.05 | guestish | bob2: theres more than can be counted |
| 01:09.05 | KecKstar | bob2 i need more? |
| 01:09.06 | guestish | axi0m: k |
| 01:09.09 | PerfDave | !tell kurumin about kurumin |
| 01:09.11 | ugly | dondelelcaro: yea printf will work, but only if you specifically know the number of spaces that should be between the text fields, I believe |
| 01:09.13 | bob2 | KecKstar: install what I said |
| 01:09.15 | guestish | axi0m: apt-get -f install fixes problems |
| 01:09.18 | KecKstar | thanks |
| 01:09.19 | guestish | !+apt-get -f install |
| 01:09.23 | guestish | hrm... |
| 01:09.30 | dondelelcaro | ugly: well, you can figure that out in the parsing. |
| 01:09.31 | useruser | ugly: well i guess sed alone is not a good tool for that job. does column(1) help? |
| 01:09.39 | ugly | dondelelcaro: true, but tricky in bash |
| 01:09.42 | axi0m | guestish, i think it worked |
| 01:09.46 | guestish | axi0m: k |
| 01:09.47 | ugly | useruser: I'll check it out |
| 01:09.48 | axi0m | guestish, well i've tried that many time |
| 01:09.51 | dondelelcaro | ugly: but it would really help if you gave an example of the input you had, and the output you wanted. |
| 01:09.56 | guestish | axi0m: k |
| 01:09.57 | dan2 | ~nslookup omnisip.com |
| 01:09.57 | axi0m | guestish, it still gave me that same error that i pasted |
| 01:10.02 | dan2 | :) |
| 01:10.02 | dondelelcaro | ugly: or even, what exactly you're using this to do. |
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| 01:10.05 | bob2 | -f rarely fixes anything |
| 01:10.08 | axi0m | guestish, must have been a bad download |
| 01:10.08 | guestish | axi0m: not surprising |
| 01:10.09 | ugly | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 01:10.20 | guestish | axi0m: yeah, probably a corrupted byte along the way |
| 01:10.28 | kurumin | ok...m |
| 01:10.33 | axi0m | axi0m, yeah |
| 01:10.35 | axi0m | err |
| 01:10.35 | axi0m | wth |
| 01:10.36 | guestish | bob2: it can fix quite a lot depending on the problem... |
| 01:10.38 | axi0m | guestish, yeah :P |
| 01:10.40 | guestish | :) |
| 01:10.45 | YargoFlick | ugly: in bash if var="total" then ${#var} with give you the lenght of var, 5 |
| 01:10.48 | guestish | bob2: but whatever |
| 01:11.00 | bob2 | guestish: it can sometiems fix broken depdnencies...which are only caused by people deliberately confusing apt. |
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| 01:11.22 | guestish | bob2: and maintainers who make bad post-install scripts |
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| 01:11.35 | bob2 | guestish: no, it doesn't fix maintainer scripts |
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| 01:11.39 | ugly | dondelelcaro: I have a big text file - in the mp3 world it's called a NFO, where it contains specific columns for automatically sticking in the artist, title, etc. of an album - there may be decorative ASCII on either side of these fields, so simply sed'ing the artist into the fields (fields are specified like #Artist) won't preserve the alignment |
| 01:11.41 | bob2 | it will puke if they pule |
| 01:11.46 | guestish | bob2: oh, nvm |
| 01:11.46 | toymachine | sup |
| 01:11.52 | toymachine | how do i add something to start at boot in init |
| 01:11.54 | marga | I have udev and kernel 2.6.8, I have modprobed parport and parport_pc, but /dev/parport0 is not created... How can I make it turn up? |
| 01:11.54 | toymachine | or rc.d |
| 01:11.55 | toymachine | rather |
| 01:11.58 | guestish | bob2: well i suppose it does what its made it do |
| 01:12.09 | guestish | marga: man MAKEDEV |
| 01:12.12 | bob2 | guestish: yes, which is try to fixc broken dependencies after some idiot broke them |
| 01:12.23 | bob2 | guestish: MAKEDEV with udev? |
| 01:12.24 | axi0m | guestish, thank you very much :) |
| 01:12.25 | bob2 | are you sure? |
| 01:12.29 | ugly | YargoFlick: yea but in this case I think I'd need to know the specific length of JUST the white spacing |
| 01:12.37 | marga | guestish: uhm... udev is supposed not to need that kind of stuff. |
| 01:12.44 | toymachine | is it update-rc |
| 01:12.44 | guestish | marga: then dont use it if it doesnt work |
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| 01:13.15 | guestish | bob2: i glazed over that part, sorry |
| 01:13.36 | guestish | axi0m: :) |
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| 01:14.25 | Marsian | dondelelcaro : is lftp a support secure ftp? |
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| 01:14.36 | guestish | Marsian: it does |
| 01:15.42 | Marsian | it keeps disconnecting when i do "ls" |
| 01:15.45 | toymachine | wheres a good 2.6 howto |
| 01:15.46 | toymachine | for debian |
| 01:15.54 | Marsian | psftp does seem to do tab completion |
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| 01:15.58 | Marsian | *doesnt |
| 01:16.09 | guestish | k |
| 01:16.16 | guestish | worth a shot |
| 01:16.21 | Marsian | yeah, it was |
| 01:16.24 | YargoFlick | ugly: if you know the orignal name in the files you could sed -e 's/blah /blahblah/'. Just make the first term as long as the second with white space. |
| 01:16.33 | Marsian | anything else you guys can think of? |
| 01:16.45 | guestish | Marsian: i like lftp, but i dont have any clue on how to force it to do sftp instead of ftp |
| 01:16.46 | XanaXa | can someone tell me why I get this in my ps readproctitle service errors: ...s not exist? |
| 01:16.51 | ugly | YargoFlick: yea I know, but in this case you wouldn't know |
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| 01:17.17 | useruser | Marsian: i just tried it with lftp sftp://user@host and it seems pretty happy |
| 01:17.23 | KecKstar | i ran #cp /boot/config-2.6 /usr/src/linux/.config so if i type #make menuconfig will it use my .config from boot to make new kernel??? |
| 01:17.33 | XanaXa | and it keeps splashing all over my terminal |
| 01:18.08 | useruser | Marsian: (i gave it my ssh key password rather than the host password) |
| 01:18.08 | ugly | YargoFlick: (wouldn't know the length of the white space, that is) |
| 01:18.35 | guestish | useruser: cool |
| 01:18.41 | guestish | useruser: so thats the syntax.. |
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| 01:18.58 | useruser | guestish: yes. guess how i discovered it? |
| 01:18.59 | guestish | KecKstar: its /boot/config-2.6.x |
| 01:19.12 | KecKstar | thanks yea i just left it out |
| 01:19.20 | guestish | useruser: god came to you in a premonition :) |
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| 01:19.33 | cafuego | guestish: No, I have never come to useruser. |
| 01:19.34 | useruser | guestish: yeah. He comes in handy every so often |
| 01:20.02 | Sandman | I have a nice /etc/profile setup with screen colors, etc. When I startup screen,however, it doesn't use it. How to tell screen to use /etc/profile on all terminals? |
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| 01:20.23 | guestish | ;) |
| 01:20.31 | blah | question: does availability for drivers depend on what kernel you're using or what distribution ? |
| 01:20.46 | Sandman | When I login @ a terminal, /etc/profile appears to be used. |
| 01:21.00 | cafuego | Sandman: Make screen start a shell with 'bash --login' |
| 01:21.13 | Sandman | cafuego: lemme check man |
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| 01:21.24 | cafuego | Sandman: Alternatively, use .bashrc and not /etc/profile |
| 01:21.26 | guestish | blah: kernel |
| 01:21.29 | KecKstar | ok im trying to insmod orinoco_cs from my kernel's driver/net/wireless dir and it says it cant read the .o file |
| 01:21.41 | cafuego | KecKstar: You don't use insmod EVER EVER! |
| 01:21.44 | guestish | KecKstar: 2.6.x uses .ko |
| 01:21.45 | KecKstar | omy |
| 01:21.49 | KecKstar | what do i use?? |
| 01:21.55 | guestish | KecKstar: modprobe |
| 01:21.58 | cafuego | KecKstar: You install pcmcia-cs and insert the card, cardmgr will load the driver for you. |
| 01:22.16 | KecKstar | pcmcia-cs is the latest version |
| 01:22.17 | guestish | that works too... |
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| 01:22.46 | blah | guestish: does that mean if my sound card doesn't work in kernel x.x in Mandrake, it won't work in the same kernel x.x in Debian ? |
| 01:22.46 | guestish | KecKstar: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 01:22.56 | YargoFlick | Sandman: I think you could also source /etc/profile in your .bashrc as well |
| 01:23.05 | guestish | blah: your sound card uses alsa which is not in every kernel' |
| 01:23.22 | guestish | blah: you can also compile alsa seperately if there is a newer version out than whats in the kernel |
| 01:23.37 | blah | okay, thanks |
| 01:23.56 | guestish | heck you can even compile it if there isnt |
| 01:23.59 | thomas_adam | YargoFlick: No. |
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| 01:24.23 | Sandman | YargoFlick: Works when I'm using a terminal outside of scren, not when I'm using screen |
| 01:24.35 | KecKstar | what if i add the modules to /etc/modules ? |
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| 01:25.11 | YargoFlick | thomas_adam: does sourcing /etc/profile in .bashrc cause problems? |
| 01:25.13 | Erick | ok that's better |
| 01:25.21 | guestish | KecKstar: read the custom kernel howto |
| 01:25.23 | thomas_adam | YargoFlick: It's completely unnecessary. |
| 01:25.42 | Sandman | cafuego: Should I just put it in /etc/bash.bashrc? |
| 01:25.48 | useruser | deb-nube: man apt |
| 01:25.53 | thomas_adam | deb-nube: The latter. |
| 01:26.15 | nvz | ok well I got cups setup, was looking at it the wrong way. Test page printed fine, I cant figure out xprt-org or whatever it is. this program is evil isnt it? how do I set this up to print to cups or is there any other way to integrate xprinting with cups? |
| 01:26.35 | deb-nube | has apt been ported to FreeBSD/NetBSD to work with BSD pkg's ? |
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| 01:27.12 | guestish | deb-nube: somewhat, take a look at Debian GNU/NetBSD and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 01:27.13 | deb-nube | I'm not so interested in Debian/FreeBSD project but after 2 days with apt I find that |
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| 01:27.19 | deb-nube | it TOTALLY ROX |
| 01:27.28 | Erick | deb-nube yeah prety much |
| 01:28.04 | deb-nube | except that I have to pick the applications and stuff ... apt should be voice or direct-to-brain controllable |
| 01:28.25 | guestish | is deb-nube a bot? |
| 01:28.27 | rich_ | deb-nube auto-apt |
| 01:28.33 | useruser | I have a compact flash card which I plug into my laptop's pcmcia slot. the card is mounted and I'm happy. Then i unmount the drive and eject the card. a few minutes later my laptop crashes. I'm not happy. am I doing something wrong? |
| 01:28.44 | Erick | deb-nube you have to find the urls and the bsd links so you can download the packages that's what you need to do |
| 01:28.45 | deb-nube | so you can think of a package you want while you are grocery shopping and you come home and apt has installed it :-P |
| 01:29.11 | guestish | deb-nube: are you a bot? |
| 01:29.14 | Erick | useruser yeah you'r unmounting the drivers? that sounds bad |
| 01:29.20 | deb-nube | ok cool I am gonna apt-ize all my rpm boxen and see if it will work with FreeBSD too |
| 01:29.27 | deb-nube | guestish, yes |
| 01:29.35 | rich_ | deb-nube You dont have to think about it. |
| 01:29.43 | useruser | Erick: no, i'm unmounting the drive before ejecting it. surely that's a good thing? |
| 01:29.47 | guestish | deb-nube: k, just asking =D |
| 01:29.53 | deb-nube | auto-apt cool! |
| 01:29.58 | scirkuit | useruser, maybe you should try a different kernel |
| 01:30.14 | nvz | man I hope you guys arent the only ones around if I ever burst into flames.. heh |
| 01:30.17 | useruser | scirkuit: maybe... i'm running 2.6.7-1-686 |
| 01:30.18 | deb-nube | <clunk> |
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| 01:30.55 | nvz | I know printers can be a bit evil, but surely someone here could give me a little direction |
| 01:30.55 | scirkuit | useruser, same as me, i can't say i've tried mounting a cf card though |
| 01:31.01 | Erick | deb-nube what's so good about apt? |
| 01:31.14 | scirkuit | useruser, search around, see if there are bugs, or maybe just upgrade |
| 01:31.15 | dan2 | Erick: don't troll here, apt is the jewel of debian |
| 01:31.19 | guestish | nvz: printers are evil |
| 01:31.24 | Erick | dan2 i'm asking him a question |
| 01:31.24 | nvz | guestish: yeap |
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| 01:31.33 | guestish | nvz: thats my advice :) |
| 01:31.33 | dan2 | guestish: not HP |
| 01:31.41 | dan2 | guestish: HP == Diesel |
| 01:31.44 | Marsian | how do i get a printer software to work? |
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| 01:31.55 | guestish | dan2: oh yeah? when why does everything i print w/ mozilla come out 300% its normal size? |
| 01:32.02 | dan2 | Marsian: man, texi, and google are your firneds |
| 01:32.05 | Marsian | i installed the drivers for (HP officejet) and tried to print from firefox |
| 01:32.10 | Marsian | andi installed cupsys |
| 01:32.10 | guestish | dan2: no error message, no nothing, just massive text |
| 01:32.11 | dan2 | guestish: xprt is fucked |
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| 01:32.16 | Marsian | it printed...but it didnt work |
| 01:32.18 | dan2 | guestish: install xprt-xprintorg |
| 01:32.25 | dan2 | guestish: and get rid of xprt |
| 01:32.29 | nvz | I went to http://localhost:631/admin/ and setup cups and printed a testpage, and I got xprt.org installed cause thatas what it says I need for printing from mozilla, but I cant figure out how to get it to send to cups! is there another way or can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 01:32.44 | dan2 | nvz: xprt-xprintorg |
| 01:32.46 | guestish | dan2: will do |
| 01:32.54 | dan2 | nvz: scratch xprt, its always sucked cock |
| 01:33.01 | guestish | dan2: should that fix it? |
| 01:33.37 | dan2 | guestish: should |
| 01:33.41 | mentor1 | dan2: Please don't use that in an offensive manner. Women, and male homosexuals are present. |
| 01:33.45 | KecKstar | where is the file that contains the modules the system will load on boot? is it /etc/modules ? |
| 01:33.50 | nvz | dan2: yeah thats what I got I cant figure out how to set it up.. the manpage for xprint seems to be the ticket, but its like damn greek compared to setting up cups, which is already done, and is what actually talks to the printer FFS! it should not be legal for this to be more difficult |
| 01:34.16 | mentor1 | And I suppose, the odd person that can suck their own cock. |
| 01:34.25 | dan2 | nvz: if KITAME didn't fuck up mozilla, you'd still be able to print directly to lp or kprinter |
| 01:34.45 | guestish | dan2: k, i gotta reboot x though right? |
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| 01:34.48 | dan2 | guestish: no |
| 01:34.56 | guestish | dan2: what do i gotta restart? |
| 01:34.59 | nvz | dan2: oh wel, I got cups setup cant figure out any simple way to tell xprt.org to use cups |
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| 01:35.03 | dan2 | guestish: mozilla |
| 01:35.13 | dan2 | nvz: you shouldn't have to, it works out of the box |
| 01:35.21 | nvz | dan2: people here arent really smart enough to save to file and then open xpp |
| 01:35.24 | dan2 | nvz: try purging and reinstall xprt-xprintorg |
| 01:35.27 | guestish | dan2: recompile or restart? |
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| 01:35.31 | dan2 | guestish: restart |
| 01:35.31 | nvz | dan2: well it doesnt seem to I'll try again |
| 01:35.59 | dan2 | nvz: in mozilla-firefox, I pipe directly to lpr (am using cups) |
| 01:36.27 | KecKstar | where is the file that contains the modules the system will load on boot? is it /etc/modules ? |
| 01:36.41 | guestish | dan2: alright |
| 01:36.46 | dan2 | guestish: nvz: looks like Kitame unfucked mozilla |
| 01:36.52 | guestish | dan2: kitame? |
| 01:36.55 | dan2 | guestish: the maintainer |
| 01:37.11 | YargoFlick | nvz: in mozilla, print file, the dialog box comes up, is says postscript printer, select properties, and change it to use lpr. It worked for me? |
| 01:37.11 | guestish | dan2: ahh, in the latest version? |
| 01:37.13 | nvz | dan2: yeah I am setting this up on my uncles laptop, the HP PSC is good with cups, I printed a testpage, but firefox isnt getting there as of yet |
| 01:37.27 | guestish | dan2: cause its been messed up for a while for me |
| 01:37.31 | dan2 | nvz: File->Print->Preference |
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| 01:37.39 | nvz | YargoFlick: I would probably have to install lpr |
| 01:37.43 | dan2 | nvz: s/Preference/Preferences/ |
| 01:38.04 | dan2 | nvz: then use lp, lpr, or kprinter which ever you so desire |
| 01:38.19 | guestish | dan2: reinstalled xprt-xprintorg, purged xprt, same problem (using firefox) |
| 01:38.29 | guestish | dan2: version 0.9.2 |
| 01:38.43 | YargoFlick | nvz: it's been a while, but cups uses the lpr, no? |
| 01:38.46 | dan2 | guestish: go do the instructions I just told nvz |
| 01:38.55 | dan2 | YargoFlick: no, its provides bsd compatible userlands |
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| 01:39.01 | qubit | has anyone had any problems booting off a usb pendrive? I'm thinking about getting a Lexar model and I'd like to be able to boot off of it |
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| 01:39.17 | sussudio | !fist qubit |
| 01:39.21 | dan2 | !tell qubit about polls |
| 01:39.28 | guestish | dan2: which directions? |
| 01:39.39 | dan2 | guestish: <dan2> nvz: File->Print->Preferences |
| 01:39.48 | guestish | dan2: there are no preferences |
| 01:39.55 | dan2 | guestish: hmm, screenshot? |
| 01:40.00 | guestish | dan2: properties, but no preferences |
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| 01:40.11 | danielon | hello |
| 01:40.20 | danielon | i have one question |
| 01:40.24 | dan2 | guestish: that'll work |
| 01:40.25 | njs | I'm looking for a 802.11b PCI (not PCMCIA) card that is 1) hassle-free under Linux, with WEP, 2) cheap. Any suggestions? |
| 01:40.35 | thomas_adam | njs: ebay |
| 01:40.35 | sussudio | danielon: badgers, but only on monday |
| 01:40.39 | dan2 | guestish: Properties... are you using kde? |
| 01:40.43 | guestish | dan2: and change what? |
| 01:40.48 | guestish | dan2: no, im using firefox |
| 01:40.56 | dan2 | guestish: do you use kde? |
| 01:40.58 | guestish | no |
| 01:41.00 | danielon | where should i find repositories for tools like mplayers |
| 01:41.01 | guestish | icewm |
| 01:41.10 | nvz | dan2: id doesnt give any choice, just says no xprt found |
| 01:41.11 | dan2 | guestish: ok, is your printer set as default |
| 01:41.13 | thomas_adam | dan2: I'd consider that question an insult. |
| 01:41.17 | danielon | one listing of repositories for debian packages |
| 01:41.22 | dan2 | thomas_adam: kprinter is decent |
| 01:41.23 | njs | thomas_adam: umm, I can find stores just fine, I'm looking for brand/model ideas. |
| 01:41.32 | thomas_adam | dan2: No. |
| 01:41.44 | nvz | dan2: when it was working before seemed to only be dropping files in ~/Xprinter or something like that |
| 01:41.45 | guestish | dan2: using lprng: hp932c@:64 |
| 01:41.56 | dan2 | guestish: you aren't using cups?! |
| 01:42.00 | guestish | dan2: no |
| 01:42.11 | dan2 | guestish: I won't help you any longer |
| 01:42.14 | guestish | dan2: why not? |
| 01:42.18 | dan2 | guestish: lprng sucks |
| 01:42.19 | guestish | dan2: shouldnt matter |
| 01:42.25 | guestish | dan2: i tried cups, same problem |
| 01:42.34 | guestish | dan2: in fact i switched to lprng cause cups wouldnt work |
| 01:42.37 | dan2 | guestish: I have a 940c here |
| 01:42.43 | guestish | dan2: you want that screenshot? |
| 01:42.47 | dan2 | guestish: yes |
| 01:42.57 | dan2 | nvz: consider upgrading mozilla |
| 01:43.18 | nvz | dan2: this is a fresh sarge isntall |
| 01:43.26 | nvz | dan2: 8.2 or whatever is in sarge |
| 01:43.36 | nvz | dan2: 0.8 I mean |
| 01:43.39 | K_Dallas | Hi guys! |
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| 01:43.53 | dan2 | nvz: firefox? |
| 01:43.57 | nvz | dan2: yes |
| 01:44.15 | K_Dallas | Q: How do i make mozilla or firefox to display corretly non-latin pages? (changing encoding does not help and under windows i do not have thsi roblem) |
| 01:44.22 | dan2 | nvz: consider downloading a set of snapshot binaries from their site, I refuse to use these debian mozilla-firefox packages anymore |
| 01:44.31 | nvz | heh |
| 01:44.35 | guestish | dan2: dcc request sent |
| 01:44.47 | dan2 | guestish: put it on a webserver |
| 01:44.55 | guestish | dan2: you cannot accept dcc? |
| 01:44.56 | nvz | I am not looking to go any further with this too much like work, just need to have xprt support end of story |
| 01:44.57 | dan2 | nvz: they suck so horribly bad its not even funny |
| 01:44.58 | dan2 | guestish: no |
| 01:45.00 | K_Dallas | dan2: would that solve my problem as well? |
| 01:45.28 | nvz | these peole arent very smart or else cups working alone would be fine.. I nedd them to goto file>print on anything and it works |
| 01:45.28 | dan2 | K_Dallas: possibly |
| 01:45.37 | thomas_adam | guestish: No, DCC is a means for viruses and $shite. |
| 01:45.42 | K_Dallas | ok, so up to uninstall and reinstall ;) |
| 01:45.45 | guestish | thomas_adam: ... |
| 01:45.49 | nvz | it appears Xprt has to be setup for that to happen |
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| 01:46.06 | mentor1 | K_Dallas: multipass |
| 01:46.11 | nvz | going to have to figure the evil p.o.s. out |
| 01:46.48 | K_Dallas | mentor1, what is multipass? |
| 01:46.59 | mentor1 | K_Dallas: You mean you're not Korban Dallas? |
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| 01:47.08 | K_Dallas | BTW, i am trying to uninstall mozilla, synaptic says i have to remove gnome as well! |
| 01:47.16 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 01:47.19 | K_Dallas | yes i am :):) |
| 01:47.29 | njs | K_Dallas: try replacing it with another web browser at the same time? |
| 01:47.51 | nvz | I dont know what the fsck to even start with the xprt is more complicated than it should be got 3 diff files asking be fore super specific info about the printer I have no clue about, when cups already supports it FFS, I dont understand why xprt cant just print to cups which already knows how to use the freakin printer |
| 01:47.52 | YargoFlick | K_Dalla: dillo! |
| 01:47.57 | K_Dallas | njs, no just removing it and then installing from mozilla site not debian repo |
| 01:48.10 | mwilson | K_Dallas: Mozilla going means the craptastic Epiphany goes which probably means all of Gnome goes. |
| 01:48.13 | guestish | dan2: sec |
| 01:48.26 | deb-nube | can I use apt to findout what package a file is in if it is *not* on my system? E.g. the package which would contain WinUtil.h (some x11-dev pkg of course but how to find it?) |
| 01:48.29 | shpetim | <mentor1>, a je shqiptar ? |
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| 01:48.32 | njs | K_Dallas: no, I mean, that might make gnome happier. |
| 01:48.35 | K_Dallas | jesus, it is just a browser not a desktop environment ;) |
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| 01:48.38 | rares000 | Epiphany is not craptastic |
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| 01:48.45 | mentor1 | !french |
| 01:48.45 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 01:49.27 | K_Dallas | so what is the safe way to remove mozilla without being crippled |
| 01:49.36 | mwilson | K_Dallas: There isn't one. |
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| 01:49.48 | mwilson | K_Dallas: What leads you to think it needs to be removed? |
| 01:49.49 | rares000 | K_Dallas, epiphany is a gecko based web browser which apparently is necessary to be a desktop |
| 01:49.53 | K_Dallas | excellent :) and they say debian has a great package manager ;) |
| 01:49.58 | mwilson | K_Dallas: It does. |
| 01:50.14 | rares000 | this is not debian's fault it's gnome's |
| 01:50.27 | K_Dallas | well, now someone plz help me to display non-latin sites in my present mozilla if i could not remove it, thanks |
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| 01:50.41 | K_Dallas | (debian pkg manager is great, i agree) |
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| 01:50.56 | thomas_adam | K_Dallas: Lignum dictus? |
| 01:50.59 | rares000 | I knew it there's always an alterior motive |
| 01:51.03 | mwilson | K_Dallas: <shrug> Mozcrap here handles Japanese, handles Russian, handles other things. What is it that you expect it to do that it's not doing? |
| 01:51.25 | K_Dallas | persian (www.bbc.co.uk/persian) |
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| 01:52.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | how can I turn on kernel debug logging? |
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| 01:52.36 | useruser | K_Dallas: for me (firefox), i get most characters rendered ok, but some missing characters. looks like a font missing to me rather than a gecko-type problem |
| 01:52.57 | K_Dallas | well right now i get nothing, just missing chars |
| 01:53.11 | mwilson | K_Dallas: Am I supposed to be seeing something special here? |
| 01:53.13 | mwilson | http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss09261852.png |
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| 01:53.28 | deb-nube | cool it rox:-) |
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| 01:53.44 | mwilson | K_Dallas: If you expect to render farsi, perhaps providing a font with those glyphs might be a good start. |
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| 01:53.58 | K_Dallas | mwilson, your snapshot is perfect |
| 01:54.15 | K_Dallas | i wish i could have had that |
| 01:54.31 | K_Dallas | it is what i see under windows |
| 01:54.57 | mwilson | <shrug> provide the fonts it needs. |
| 01:54.58 | doublehp | I sorted a way to make JAVA work on latest mozilla with SID ... how can I publish the process ? |
| 01:54.59 | useruser | mwilson: where did you get your font? |
| 01:55.19 | dan2 | nvz: can you get to PostScript/Default printer in mozilla? |
| 01:55.19 | mentor1 | ~SID |
| 01:55.21 | apt | i heard sid is the unstable version of Debian. Don't use it unless you know what you're doing, or it can break horribly. a kid in "Toy Story" who was "unstable" and would break toys. There's no reason to backronym Debian/sid to "Still in Development", or see sid faq. sid requires use of bts (by design) or ELSE! |
| 01:55.40 | mwilson | doublehp: Again? Yet another "put this here and create this symlink" needed to be written? Not like it's in any way difficult. |
| 01:55.44 | The_Vulture | doublehp: there's nothing to publish, it's just a matter of using j2se-package. The complications you had were due to shit you'd done before doing it the right way, so far as I can tell |
| 01:55.45 | nvz | dan2: I only have firefox and from File>Print I only get an error saying xprint not found |
| 01:55.47 | opizi | i want to update apt ... but a get : |
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| 01:55.59 | opizi | ec: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 01:55.59 | opizi | ec: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 01:55.59 | dan2 | nvz: grr, are you using xprt-xprintorg? |
| 01:56.02 | mwilson | nvz: crapfox only prints via xprint. |
| 01:56.05 | The_Vulture | mwilson: in fact, with j2se-package, alternatives sets it up by default I'm pretty sure |
| 01:56.09 | nvz | dan2: the c/print/xprinters is all commented out |
| 01:56.20 | nvz | dan2: yes its xprt-xprinttorg |
| 01:56.28 | dan2 | nvz: did you attempt to start xprt? |
| 01:56.28 | nvz | mwilson: yes I know |
| 01:56.32 | mwilson | The_Vulture: I wouldn't know, I didn't have any reason to bother with a package. |
| 01:56.40 | nvz | mwilson: my issue is htw to get xprt to use cups |
| 01:56.59 | The_Vulture | mwilson: *nods* |
| 01:57.00 | mwilson | nvz: I have no idea. Xprint is crap, cups isn't far behind. |
| 01:57.00 | guestish | anyone know how to set the default printer in firefox and mozilla? |
| 01:57.05 | nvz | dan2: I restarted the X server, but its not going to do crap there is nothing in the file |
| 01:57.11 | nvz | dan2: except comments |
| 01:57.16 | dan2 | nvz: sudo invoke-rc.d xprint start |
| 01:57.17 | doublehp | The_Vulture: all that laks aptgetable stuff ... thats why I offer to write a nice doc ... |
| 01:57.28 | guestish | dan2: thanks for the help |
| 01:57.33 | The_Vulture | doublehp: speak english.. |
| 01:57.39 | mwilson | Mozilla still honors MOZ_PRINTER_NAME, doesn't it? |
| 01:57.42 | nvz | mwilson: oh well not everyone is a gemius I need the file>print option in all of these programs to work |
| 01:57.47 | The_Vulture | apt-get install j2se-package; apt |
| 01:57.50 | guestish | mwilson: ya |
| 01:57.54 | doublehp | The_Vulture: you answered me in #java, whereas I was expecting help in here |
| 01:57.55 | The_Vulture | apt-get install j2se-package; apt-get update; apt-get install j2se1 |
| 01:57.57 | The_Vulture | etc.. |
| 01:58.04 | guestish | mwilson: there a way to set the default printer using that? |
| 01:58.09 | nvz | mwilson: if it was my pc I wouldnt care if it printed at all, and I could use it any way it did print, but not these people |
| 01:58.18 | mwilson | guestish: <shrug> My bashrc sets the variable. |
| 01:58.42 | guestish | mwilson: oh |
| 01:58.45 | guestish | mwilson: how do you do it? |
| 01:58.48 | mwilson | nvz: Can't help you... I don't use crapfox, I use mozcrap, which is perfectly happy printing to a standard printer. |
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| 01:58.51 | The_Vulture | doublehp: because I saw you there, apparently. In any case, the answer doesn't need much documentation, the package name should be sufficient for most people. |
| 01:58.55 | guestish | mwilson: can you paste the line? |
| 01:59.01 | doublehp | The_Vulture: + wget sun-j2re1.4_1.4.2+05 + j2se-package |
| 01:59.07 | mwilson | export MOZ_PRINTER_NAME=laser |
| 01:59.10 | nvz | dan2: nope nothing |
| 01:59.13 | mwilson | Not like it's a big deal. |
| 01:59.23 | guestish | mwilson: thanks |
| 01:59.24 | dan2 | nvz: xprint didn't start? |
| 01:59.40 | Bradders | Hi all.. anyone used xmove? |
| 01:59.44 | nvz | dan2: what part of c/print/xprinters contains only comments dont you understand? |
| 01:59.50 | guestish | mwilson: that sets laser as the default printer? |
| 01:59.52 | nvz | dan2: it started,it does nothing at all |
| 01:59.54 | mwilson | nvz: I really thought the crapfox maintainer had come to his senses. |
| 02:00.01 | dan2 | nvz: add these lines then |
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| 02:00.08 | nvz | mwilson: apperently not |
| 02:00.14 | guestish | mwilson: afaik firefox and mozilla use the same printing system |
| 02:00.20 | mwilson | guestish: That sets the environment variable. The print dialog by default reads it. |
| 02:00.22 | doublehp | The_Vulture: to make it work , I did not just apt-get; I had to read a html page, grab sun site, execute some cmds ... all that is not 'just' installing pakages ! |
| 02:00.24 | mwilson | guestish: Nope. |
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| 02:00.43 | nvz | dan2: thats the whole reason I came in here asking questions I dont know what the hell it expects me to put in any of its 3 config files, my printer is already setup, I set it up in cups |
| 02:00.50 | nvz | dan2: wtf to I have to do to tell it that |
| 02:00.51 | dan2 | nvz: I'll pm you the lines |
| 02:00.54 | mwilson | guestish: Kitame went insane, started requiring people to use xprint with Mozilla. In the face of much outrage, he backed down. |
| 02:00.55 | Bradders | What about Xvfb? |
| 02:01.01 | Bradders | Or for that matter, lbx or dxpc? |
| 02:01.07 | mwilson | guestish: Apparently the crapfox maintainer hasn't backed down. |
| 02:01.10 | K_Dallas | mwilson, have you installed any special font to see that persian site? |
| 02:01.16 | mwilson | K_Dallas: No. |
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| 02:01.23 | mwilson | K_Dallas: Not that I'm aware of. |
| 02:01.23 | K_Dallas | darn so how do you do it :) |
| 02:01.31 | The_Vulture | doublehp: getting the binaries from Sun's site is a separate and reasonably simple operation. Once you have them, you have to execute exactly one non-apt/dpkg command. |
| 02:01.36 | guestish | mwilson: oh |
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| 02:01.51 | The_Vulture | in any case, feel free to document it wherever you want |
| 02:01.53 | useruser | K_Dallas: i'm currently trying this: sudo apt-get install $(apt-cache search ttf-|grep ^ttf-|awk '{print $1}') |
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| 02:02.11 | useruser | K_Dallas: i installed a couple of arabic fonts but still don't have all the characters |
| 02:02.19 | mwilson | guestish: Yeah, he had some story about a seurity vulnerability that he couldn't back up when pressed. |
| 02:02.25 | guestish | mwilson: weird |
| 02:02.41 | doublehp | The_Vulture: but all that process could be explained either in a pakage, or given in here by dpkg when asking !sid mozilla java ... |
| 02:02.46 | guestish | mwilson: i just want mozilla to use lpr, but there doesnt seem to be an option to change the default printer |
| 02:02.51 | mwilson | guestish: Considering that mozilla.org didn't know what he was talking about, yeah, weird. |
| 02:02.56 | K_Dallas | useruser, that site is supposed to be unicode |
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| 02:03.09 | guestish | mwilson: i tried exporting export MOZ_PRINTER_NAME="Postscript/Default", but it didnt work |
| 02:03.13 | The_Vulture | doublehp: so go make a factoid in dpkg if you really want |
| 02:03.17 | useruser | K_Dallas: right, but it still needs fonts i think |
| 02:03.29 | The_Vulture | I think the process is clear enough from just "j2se-package" |
| 02:03.32 | mwilson | guestish: No, no, the name of the printer. |
| 02:03.40 | Conficere | I just recently installed sarge on a machine with 2 HD's one IDE 40 gig and one 250 SATA HD. it see's both HD's on install and i am able to partion them. when i reboot i get an fsck error on /dev/sda1 |
| 02:03.41 | mwilson | guestish: By default Moz has this in there... |
| 02:03.44 | mwilson | lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} |
| 02:03.50 | guestish | mwilson: ya |
| 02:03.57 | Conficere | i try repairing it but it said it doesn't exist. i can boot into the console and mount it though |
| 02:04.01 | guestish | mwilson: cept mine is defaulting to xprt's printer |
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| 02:04.09 | K_Dallas | well, maybe i dont have any unicode fonts ;)or the latest one even tho my installation dates back to 2 days |
| 02:04.10 | mwilson | Which says if $MOZ_PRINTER_NAME is non-null, add the -P, then suffix with $MOS_PRINTER_NAME |
| 02:04.11 | guestish | mwilson: its trying to directly talk to lprng, according to dan2 |
| 02:04.23 | mwilson | You can't talk directly to lprng. |
| 02:04.27 | guestish | mwilson: instead of using lpr like i want it to |
| 02:04.33 | dan2 | mwilson: sure you can, over lp server |
| 02:04.58 | mwilson | dan2: Mozcrap doesn't do that. |
| 02:05.10 | dan2 | mwilson: xprt does, no? |
| 02:05.13 | guestish | mwilson: wanna see a screenshot? |
| 02:05.31 | mwilson | dan2: I'm not sure what xprt thinks it's doing. |
| 02:05.32 | guestish | http://www.sonic.net/~jacobvi/screenshot1.png |
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| 02:05.41 | mwilson | dan2: Not that xprt is relevant. |
| 02:05.44 | derek_ | hi, whats a good ftp client? |
| 02:05.48 | guestish | derek_: lftp |
| 02:05.52 | derek_ | thanks |
| 02:05.54 | guestish | derek_: or just the original ftp |
| 02:05.57 | K_Dallas | derek_, there is gftp |
| 02:06.04 | K_Dallas | ncftp and ncftp2 |
| 02:06.08 | mwilson | guestish: Uh, that's not Moz, that's crapfox. |
| 02:06.13 | guestish | mwilson: yeah, but its the same in both |
| 02:06.20 | mwilson | guestish: crapfox only understands xprt. |
| 02:06.22 | derek_ | i've tried a bunch but they won't let me login |
| 02:06.34 | guestish | mwilson: if you want me to, i'll post the same exact screenshot with mozilla instead of firefox |
| 02:06.36 | dan2 | mwilson: the snapshot builds on mozilla.org/firefox don't |
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| 02:06.39 | doublehp | How do I change a definition in dpkg bot ? |
| 02:06.45 | dan2 | mwilson: they can speak native command tongue |
| 02:06.50 | K_Dallas | so maybe your login/pw is wrong or the sites needs a secure ftp |
| 02:06.52 | sean_ | Is there anyone here who would like to help me with ALSA? |
| 02:06.56 | guestish | mwilson: they both have that friggin thing as the default and the lpr one waaayyy at the bottom |
| 02:07.09 | mentor1 | doublehp: factoid =~ s/foo/bar/ or no, foo is bar |
| 02:07.41 | mwilson | guestish: So don't install xprt. It's useless anyway. The only thing that cares about it is Mozcrap, and you don't want Mozcrap to use it. |
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| 02:07.45 | mwilson | http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss09261906.png |
| 02:07.56 | guestish | mwilson: so i can get rid of it with no repercussions? |
| 02:08.05 | derek_ | origional ftp works great :) |
| 02:08.06 | Conficere | anyone have any idea's? |
| 02:08.15 | mwilson | dan2: That's because mozilla.org hasn't gone insane, like the Debian maintainers have. |
| 02:08.20 | guestish | mwilson: yeah, thats what i want for the default |
| 02:08.21 | sean_ | OSS works great, but ALSA won't. |
| 02:08.38 | guestish | mwilson: but it wont let me have it!!! |
| 02:08.50 | mwilson | guestish: "it" being what? |
| 02:08.53 | rich_ | sean_ Well thats easy. Use oss |
| 02:09.11 | guestish | mwilson: printer: PostScript/default |
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| 02:09.33 | guestish | sean_: sec |
| 02:09.39 | dan2 | mwilson: at least the mozilla maintainers, but you'd have to be insane to choose to maintain mozilla anyhow |
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| 02:09.40 | sean_ | Right, well, I would, but I don't like OSS and Audacity doesn't use OSS. Since my main need is to do audio sampling and reencoding, ALSA is a must. |
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| 02:09.48 | sean_ | np guestish |
| 02:09.57 | mwilson | guestish: Are you using mozilla.org binaries, or the Debian ones? |
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| 02:10.01 | guestish | sean_: http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=541&page=1 |
| 02:10.03 | guestish | mwilson: debian |
| 02:10.09 | mwilson | guestish: Then just remove it. |
| 02:10.18 | guestish | mwilson: does mozilla.org have debs? |
| 02:10.18 | loke | im just installed sarge on a HP pavilion and its hanging on <6>linux agpgart interface |
| 02:10.18 | derek_ | ok, i'm using ftp, how would i download an entire directory named /stuff to /home/user/Desktop? |
| 02:10.21 | mwilson | guestish: Make sure the daemon isn't running, and remove it. |
| 02:10.30 | holycow | mwilson, so the suggestion is to roll yoru own package from original binaries? |
| 02:10.31 | guestish | mwilson: k |
| 02:10.36 | guestish | mwilson: oh, you mean remove xprt, ok |
| 02:10.43 | mwilson | holycow: Funny, I don't remember saying anything like that. |
| 02:11.09 | holycow | ah, you don't use moz at all |
| 02:11.14 | guestish | sean_: follow those instructions and you should be good |
| 02:11.15 | mwilson | I don't? |
| 02:11.24 | guestish | holycow: he said he uses the mozilla suite |
| 02:11.42 | derek_ | please? |
| 02:11.48 | loke | i just installed sarge on my hp laptop and when i boots it hangs, right after it starts hotplug it hangs on agpgart, any ideas on how i can fix it? |
| 02:11.54 | systemadmin | anyoen mount ntfs drives in linux i am trying to do mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd /mnt but it s not working |
| 02:11.54 | holycow | lol no hes being a pedantic prick again :) last time moz came up he didn't use it |
| 02:12.10 | mwilson | holycow: Uh, no, I've never said I don't use Mozilla. |
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| 02:12.24 | mwilson | holycow: I've said, repeatedly, that I don't use Firefox. |
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| 02:13.03 | mwilson | holycow: I have Moz around for when links doesn't do the job. |
| 02:13.13 | sussudio | !do the job |
| 02:13.19 | holycow | ah *nod* |
| 02:13.55 | mwilson | holycow: Which is admittedly seldom... if I need to use Moz rather than links2, it's much more likely that the site will go in the "don't bother" pile. |
| 02:14.11 | holycow | lol i remember that |
| 02:14.55 | sean_ | guestish, I'll look at that, but I think I already have. |
| 02:15.24 | derek_ | ftp> get stuff local: stuff remote: stuff 229 Entering Extended Passive Mode (|||51084|) 550 stuff: Not a regular file |
| 02:15.26 | afra | where can I get a well priced 1U server? |
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| 02:16.07 | mwilson | holycow: I anticipate when links2 finally gains printing support, I'll be able to use Moz that much less. |
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| 02:16.50 | systemadmin | any ideas? |
| 02:16.52 | mwilson | heh... even links2 can render that persian bbc site properly |
| 02:16.55 | dan2 | mwilson: the mozilla devel builds using libxp (X11 Print) which works with cups and doesn't requre xprt |
| 02:17.08 | holycow | <mwilson> nvz: crapfox only prints via xprint. <-- i didn't know that |
| 02:17.14 | holycow | how weird, it can't print via cups? |
| 02:17.34 | mwilson | holycow: What would cups have to do with it? |
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| 02:19.05 | mwilson | holycow: cups is just a printing system, like lpr is... it doesn't magically grant the ability to print to applications that do not have it. |
| 02:19.13 | Xenguy | "but not too lame to use BX" :P |
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| 02:19.35 | holycow | oh okay |
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| 02:20.17 | derek_ | nobody knows how? |
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| 02:20.54 | holycow | i thought the apps just sent the data directly to cups ... guess more googling is required |
| 02:20.54 | mwilson | holycow: Of course, you already knew that. |
| 02:21.20 | Xenguy | derek_: something like 'mget' I suppose - it's been awhile |
| 02:21.21 | systemadmin | humm no one mounts ntfs drives here? |
| 02:21.41 | mwilson | systemadmin: More likely, no one cares. |
| 02:21.41 | coreyva | I'm trying to install a 250gb drive and am only seeing 127mb. googling I see that kernel 2.4.19 is a possible fix. Before I install a new kernel, is there somehing else I should be trying first? no definitive answers from google with my searches. |
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| 02:21.51 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: despite the fact that they say it's fixed, I still find massive amounts of problems with it... |
| 02:22.02 | mwilson | coreyva: Hint... you have to actually load the web browser. |
| 02:22.03 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: mainly one..that occurs all the time |
| 02:22.05 | systemadmin | mwilson: ouch, kind of harsh huh? |
| 02:22.09 | derek_ | Xenguy: that gives me ftp: netin: Connection reset by peer |
| 02:22.20 | coreyva | way beyond that mwilson |
| 02:22.25 | mwilson | coreyva: Considering the massive amount of stuff in Google on LBA48. |
| 02:22.26 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: yeah, people here can be pricks form time to time, don't take it personally |
| 02:22.30 | systemadmin | Liquid_Tension: i just want to pull some onfo off it |
| 02:22.31 | Liquid_Tension | ;) |
| 02:22.33 | Xenguy | derek_: dunno |
| 02:22.42 | derek_ | a gui ftp client would be awsome |
| 02:22.47 | Liquid_Tension | I didn't see the first question...what was it? |
| 02:22.52 | Xenguy | derek_: gftp |
| 02:22.58 | doublehp | mentor1: dpkg says that I am a moron, and refuses to learn any more from me :( |
| 02:23.21 | mwilson | I'll never understand why people claim that they're googling, when they're not. |
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| 02:23.29 | systemadmin | Liquid_Tension: i want to mount my ntfs drive, and it isnt letting me, i am using the command mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd /mnt |
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| 02:23.40 | doublehp | mwilson: because Google is their home page ? |
| 02:23.42 | derek_ | Xenguy: awsome, thanks |
| 02:23.49 | Xenguy | derek_: good luck |
| 02:23.53 | mwilson | "let"? <snicker> Does it use the baseball bat or the cattle prod to stop you? |
| 02:24.11 | mwilson | Does the kernel you're using HAVE NTFS support? |
| 02:24.19 | Liquid_Tension | ok, first you'll need a better place to mount it because that's got other stuff in it, so it wouldn't be a good idea, unless of course you don't have any other dirs in there |
| 02:24.32 | systemadmin | milson : yes it does |
| 02:24.43 | mwilson | guestish: Are you printing now? :) |
| 02:24.52 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: what's the error you're getting |
| 02:25.02 | systemadmin | Liquid_Tension: noting in /mnt |
| 02:25.14 | doublehp | any op here ? I want to add 2 defs at dpkg, and he says I am a moron; what shall I do to set up those definitions ? |
| 02:25.52 | Liquid_Tension | so no errors from the mount command, it just seems to be empty....? |
| 02:25.53 | systemadmin | Liquid_Tension: wrong fs type, bad opton, bad super blobk, or top many mounted file systems |
| 02:25.53 | Liquid_Tension | oh |
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| 02:26.16 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: well, you're also trying to mount an entire device not just a partition |
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| 02:26.22 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: you need a partition number after that |
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| 02:26.32 | systemadmin | ok will try |
| 02:27.04 | useruser | K_Dallas: do you have ttf-indic-fonts installed? |
| 02:27.31 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: if you don't know which one it is you can find out using (c)fdisk... there may be other ways, but that's what I do |
| 02:27.32 | systemadmin | Liquid_Tension: just tried hdd1 and still same message |
| 02:27.46 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: are you sure that's the right partition? |
| 02:28.01 | systemadmin | humm i am betting so |
| 02:28.05 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: how many partitions do you have on that drive? |
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| 02:28.18 | systemadmin | i use testdisk and point it a hdd and it says ntfs |
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| 02:28.27 | systemadmin | Liquid_Tension: 1 partition |
| 02:28.34 | Liquid_Tension | oh, and you get hte same error huh....hmmm... |
| 02:28.49 | useruser | note to self: installing fonts is sloooow |
| 02:29.00 | guestish | mwilson: na, just ate dinner :) |
| 02:29.02 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: try creating a directory in /mnt and try to mount it in THAT directory |
| 02:29.10 | systemadmin | ok will try |
| 02:29.13 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: or in some TOTALLY empty directory elsewhere.. |
| 02:29.17 | mwilson | K_Dallas: You might want xfonts-efont-unicode, which has Arabic support |
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| 02:29.29 | mwilson | K_Dallas: I also have the transcode font packages installed. |
| 02:29.32 | guestish | mwilson: PostScript/default prints fine, when i manually select it |
| 02:29.38 | systemadmin | Liquid_Tension: just tried same error |
| 02:29.44 | Liquid_Tension | systemadmin: I wish someone else would jump in...i'm not terribly familiar with mount and it's options/errors/etc. |
| 02:29.51 | systemadmin | lol |
| 02:29.53 | systemadmin | me either |
| 02:29.58 | numist | whats the problem? |
| 02:30.13 | systemadmin | numist: tryign to mount ntfs partiton |
| 02:30.22 | numist | module compiled into kernel? |
| 02:30.32 | systemadmin | numist: yup |
| 02:30.33 | mwilson | guestish: You don't have xprint installed... what's to select? |
| 02:30.34 | systemadmin | ntfs |
| 02:30.34 | systemadmin | and hpfs |
| 02:30.49 | systemadmin | its a winxp storage drive |
| 02:30.51 | numist | mount -t ntfs /dev/hd?? /mnt/* |
| 02:31.03 | Liquid_Tension | brb...booting into linux |
| 02:31.07 | systemadmin | numist: tried, |
| 02:31.10 | numist | and? |
| 02:31.16 | systemadmin | errors |
| 02:31.20 | numist | paste in #flood |
| 02:31.30 | systemadmin | wrong fstyp |
| 02:31.34 | numist | ... |
| 02:31.49 | numist | fdisk the device, and see what it reports the fstype as... |
| 02:32.38 | systemadmin | numist: that did it, i tried the * and it worked |
| 02:32.43 | systemadmin | y have to use the *? |
| 02:32.58 | numist | haha |
| 02:33.01 | numist | uhm.. dont do that... |
| 02:33.06 | numist | unmount it... |
| 02:33.10 | Conficere | hrmmm |
| 02:33.12 | numist | the * was a wildcard, your supposed to fill that in |
| 02:33.38 | systemadmin | i tried fillign it in |
| 02:33.38 | systemadmin | lol |
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