| 00:00.06 | zbowling | and I have a limited binary release license for this system v too... |
| 00:00.22 | g00se` | Noob here! Has anyone here successfully used the business card sarge? |
| 00:00.41 | simonrvn | @polls |
| 00:00.41 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid badgers will hurt you. |
| 00:00.46 | simonrvn | @bad polls |
| 00:00.46 | ravenbird | The reason we hate polls is because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 00:01.02 | bob2 | g00se`: don't use the word "noob", it makes you look stupid, not uninformed. |
| 00:01.10 | bob2 | g00se`: lots of people use the sarge business card isos. |
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| 00:01.22 | bob2 | g00se`: if you're having a problem with today's try asking in #debian-boot |
| 00:01.23 | PerfDave | zbowling: If you wanted to compile code against the Linux kernel and distribute it, then that code has to be GPL'd. And you're probably not legally allowed to re-release AT&T SysV Unix source as GPL. |
| 00:01.37 | tell | Noid : found it out: i need bin2iso |
| 00:01.57 | bob2 | s/probably'almost certainly/ |
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| 00:02.17 | bob2 | and I really doubt sysV has anything to offer linux now, anyway |
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| 00:03.55 | GomoX | bob2: maybe some more IP lawsuits |
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| 00:04.09 | bob2 | haha |
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| 00:05.47 | g00se` | "The specified Debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it" was the specific problem |
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| 00:06.06 | benha | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.28 | bob2 | g00se`: using which mirror? |
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| 00:06.35 | NEGRO | O |
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| 00:06.42 | NEGRO | HELLO |
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| 00:06.58 | g00se` | *any* mirror on the installer |
| 00:07.01 | NEGRO | HELLO |
| 00:07.05 | NEGRO | FACKER |
| 00:07.08 | PerfDave | !ops |
| 00:07.08 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
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| 00:07.37 | bob2 | g00se`: definetly ask in #debian-boot then |
| 00:07.39 | benha | why doesnt anyone ever... i mean EVER answer me |
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| 00:07.49 | TML | bob2: too fast for me |
| 00:07.57 | PerfDave | benha: Maybe you smell? |
| 00:08.05 | benha | no...its not that |
| 00:08.06 | bob2 | benha: because no one knows the anser to your question |
| 00:08.07 | xcy | lol |
| 00:08.12 | benha | ohh that stinks |
| 00:08.17 | bob2 | try asking in a more suitable forum, like a vsftpd list |
| 00:08.17 | cafuego | benha: karma |
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| 00:08.30 | benha | forums take time lol |
| 00:08.40 | bob2 | no, not a web forum, a mailing list |
| 00:08.42 | cafuego | Probably you're the only person in the world who use vsftpd. |
| 00:08.52 | benha | umm actually no |
| 00:08.54 | bob2 | forum was a word before retards starting creating bulletin boards on web sites |
| 00:09.04 | xcy | doesn't the kernel.org ftp use it too? |
| 00:09.06 | cafuego | Did that have a vulnerability a week or so ago? |
| 00:09.08 | benha | why is it included in a base install of fedora 2 server package? |
| 00:09.25 | Stormfrog | A question about Sarge installation/the section of the installation where you pick your own packages: when you first are fired into aptitude you get a list with all dependencies and modules selected from the catagories I selected. I then choose "new package view" in aptitude to select some additional packages. Does this cancel the packages preciously selected by the catagories I picked? |
| 00:09.28 | cafuego | AH no, that was lukemftpd |
| 00:09.42 | bob2 | benha: because it's one of the less-shit ftp servers around |
| 00:09.48 | cafuego | benha: This is #debian, we should know about this why? |
| 00:09.53 | benha | if you take the most current version of Fedora core 2 you will find it has it included Cafuego |
| 00:09.55 | bob2 | xcy: I'm pretty sure they do |
| 00:09.56 | benha | because your all dick |
| 00:09.58 | benha | dicks |
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| 00:10.06 | bob2 | damn |
| 00:10.11 | Liquid_Tension | Stormfrog: no? |
| 00:10.14 | GomoX | haha |
| 00:10.20 | GomoX | bob2 is on fire |
| 00:10.25 | xcy | lol |
| 00:10.29 | bob2 | laggy irc |
| 00:10.31 | simonrvn | what a dufus (benha) |
| 00:10.32 | cafuego | I might be a dick, but at least I'm not a fucking retarded lobotimized dick |
| 00:10.32 | bob2 | hurry up, internode |
| 00:10.35 | rsd | hey, does anyone know how to use outlines in openoffice? when i click decrease indent or increase, the outline style doesn't change |
| 00:10.46 | cafuego | s/i/o/ |
| 00:10.51 | Stormfrog | Liquid_Tension: oki, thanks |
| 00:10.55 | bob2 | 1ah, benha was actually using fedora |
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| 00:11.13 | cafuego | bob2: Most agressive morons are <heh> |
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| 00:11.22 | bob2 | hah |
| 00:11.24 | simonrvn | and he calls us dicks for his dumbness. look who's fucking talking |
| 00:12.03 | xcy | karma people |
| 00:12.08 | Stormfrog | Is there an official debian newsgroup/forum where you post ideas/feedback for debian? |
| 00:12.21 | cafuego | Stormfrog: debian-user maybe |
| 00:12.22 | bob2 | Stormfrog: no |
| 00:12.29 | xcy | sure, they are lots of maling-lists |
| 00:12.35 | cafuego | Stormfrog: That has a bit of a signal-to-noise ration problem though, afaik. |
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| 00:12.43 | bob2 | Stormfrog: debian-user is for user-y questions/suggestions, debian-devel for developer-y stuff |
| 00:12.44 | GomoX | Stormfrog: and there is wiki.debian.org too |
| 00:12.48 | bob2 | Stormfrog: what do you want to suggest? |
| 00:12.52 | bob2 | it's .net |
| 00:13.05 | GomoX | hmmm |
| 00:13.25 | bob2 | Stormfrog: if it's for a particular package, then the BTS is probably the right place |
| 00:14.11 | Stormfrog | lots of suggestions... :) |
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| 00:14.22 | jono | hi all |
| 00:14.33 | PerfDave | Morning jono ;p |
| 00:14.45 | bob2 | filfing wishlist bugs on the packages involved is probably the best way |
| 00:14.48 | jono | is there a way to find how many unique IP addresses have accessed a specific file on an Apache server? |
| 00:14.52 | jono | PerfDave, heya dude :) |
| 00:14.56 | Stormfrog | bob2: nah, I am just looking for targets for the sparm coorporation I am working for... ;) |
| 00:14.59 | bob2 | since "MY IDEAS FOR DEBIAN" posts on -devel tend to get ignored |
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| 00:15.09 | Stormfrog | /s/sparm/SPAM |
| 00:15.17 | PerfDave | jono: grep 'filename' /var/log/apache/access.log | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | sort | uniq |
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| 00:15.29 | PerfDave | Not that I was doing this earlier or anything ;) |
| 00:15.34 | jono | hehe cheers |
| 00:15.43 | n3o_X | anyboyd know how to fix the "No Certificate found" error wiht proftpd? |
| 00:15.52 | sussudio | anyboyd? |
| 00:15.59 | n3o_X | anybody* |
| 00:16.00 | n3o_X | :S |
| 00:16.04 | sussudio | !anybody |
| 00:16.04 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 00:16.11 | Stormfrog | bob2: like my idea with an Installation Interface using VR technology? 8) |
| 00:16.22 | Stormfrog | its the best idea Ive had ever |
| 00:16.27 | xcy | have you tried google? |
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| 00:16.39 | sussudio | !pity Stormfrog |
| 00:16.40 | dpkg | I pity da fool Stormfrog! |
| 00:16.41 | random0ne | nfs is kicking my @$$ :( i have been working on this for 4 days. there is nothing on the web :( *can* anyone help? |
| 00:16.42 | n3o_X | yes.. anything ive found isnt being very helpful |
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| 00:17.13 | simonrvn | nono |
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| 00:18.01 | jono | PerfDave, is there a way to tweak that so it displays a count of the number of unique IP's accessing that file as opposed to displaying the IP's? |
| 00:18.02 | sussudio | in soviet russia. hay. hits. you. |
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| 00:18.56 | dvhart_ | why would I not be able to unmount the home filesystem? |
| 00:19.23 | xcy | maybe a process is using it someway |
| 00:19.25 | mwilson | dvhart_: Why would you be able to? |
| 00:19.28 | dvhart_ | I am the only user logged in (root), and fuser -m /home shows nothing |
| 00:19.42 | random0ne | anyone have any idea how to fix SM-UMON problems with nfs? |
| 00:19.44 | dvhart_ | mwilson, I need to swap home partitions |
| 00:19.56 | dvhart_ | mwilson, is it prohibited to unmount home on a running machine? |
| 00:20.04 | sussudio | dvhart_: you wouldn't at all be in the /home directory, right? |
| 00:20.05 | mwilson | Not that I'm aware of. |
| 00:20.16 | dvhart_ | sussudio, *g* no I am not |
| 00:20.31 | kruzi | if i want to add a new user to group admins and with a certain dir as home dir why wont adduser --group admins --home /home/admins/username username work |
| 00:20.33 | bob2 | hvlsof | grep home |
| 00:20.33 | dvhart_ | sussudio, and like I said, fuser -m /home doesn't report any usage |
| 00:20.38 | kruzi | from man pages that what i can see it is |
| 00:20.40 | Shaun2222 | anybody know how i can copy the contents of one dir to another and keep everything the same? i tryed cp -a but it doesnt copy hardlinks right. |
| 00:20.40 | kruzi | ? |
| 00:20.42 | bob2 | dvhart_: lsof|grep home |
| 00:20.45 | bob2 | says nothing, too? |
| 00:20.56 | bob2 | Shaun2222: er, you can't copy hardlinks |
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| 00:21.02 | mwilson | kruzi: There'd have to be a group named 'admins' first. |
| 00:21.06 | kruzi | there is. |
| 00:21.08 | dvhart_ | bob2, right - nothing |
| 00:21.09 | kruzi | groupadd admins |
| 00:21.21 | bob2 | dvhart_: and it says it's busy when you try to umount it? |
| 00:21.23 | simonrvn | please don't use that, use addgroup |
| 00:21.28 | mwilson | Do we all get to guess what error you get? |
| 00:21.30 | random0ne | maybe i'll use samba instead of nfs...this is ridiculous |
| 00:21.30 | Shaun2222 | bob2: i need to recreate everythign one on drive to another... and they are diffrent fstypes. |
| 00:21.40 | simonrvn | mwilson: yup |
| 00:21.45 | dvhart_ | umount: /home: device is busy (repeated once) |
| 00:21.45 | mwilson | Shaun2222: Hard-Disk-Upgrade HOWTO |
| 00:21.53 | simonrvn | Shaun2222: fs type matters how? |
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| 00:22.04 | xcy | lsof |grep /home |
| 00:22.12 | kruzi | simonrvn: ok, but what am i doing wrong with adduser now? |
| 00:22.13 | dvhart_ | xcy: already covered ^ |
| 00:22.20 | dvhart_ | it is exported for nfs |
| 00:22.23 | bob2 | Shaun2222: I think rsync can preserve hardlinks like that |
| 00:22.23 | Shaun2222 | simonrvn: well if they were the same i could just dd to it couldnt if? |
| 00:22.24 | simonrvn | (i bet he's in the dir he's trying to umount) |
| 00:22.25 | kruzi | adduser --group admins --home /home/admins/username username work |
| 00:22.25 | dvhart_ | just thought of that |
| 00:22.28 | bob2 | but it will use a fuckload of ram |
| 00:22.40 | xcy | maybe you need to stop nfs first |
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| 00:22.46 | mwilson | dvhart_: Gee, you think that might be a problem? </sarcasm> |
| 00:22.48 | dan2 | bob2: only n > 64 |
| 00:22.58 | dvhart_ | mwilson, yeah, I had forgotten about it |
| 00:22.58 | bob2 | dan2: eh? |
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| 00:23.14 | random0ne | anyone object to home over samba? |
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| 00:23.26 | mwilson | Anyone have any reason to do home over samba? |
| 00:23.28 | kruzi | anyone? |
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| 00:23.35 | simonrvn | mwilson: eeew |
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| 00:23.50 | brc_ | wow awesome! |
| 00:23.57 | brc_ | ssh enabled install with the lastes d-i nightly |
| 00:24.01 | mwilson | simonrvn: DOn't look at me... cluebie over there thinks it's a good idea. |
| 00:24.01 | brc_ | very very nicely done |
| 00:24.02 | random0ne | mwilson: yeah, nfs doesn't work |
| 00:24.16 | mwilson | random0ne: Except that it does, of course. |
| 00:24.31 | Shaun2222 | bob2: i tryed rsync -aH file newfile but a stat on newfile shows links as being 1 where links on file is 2, really they should all be 3. |
| 00:24.39 | simonrvn | random0ne: you must have a fever or something. i recommend a thermometer |
| 00:24.43 | random0ne | mwilson: except that i have unresolved bugs |
| 00:24.44 | dvhart_ | thanks all, dvhart dons the dunce cap for a while |
| 00:24.51 | kruzi | if i want to add a new user to group admins and with a certain dir as home dir why wont adduser --group admins --home /home/admins/username username work |
| 00:25.05 | random0ne | simonrvn: i probably do. i've been wrestling with nfs for 4 days now |
| 00:25.08 | mwilson | kruzi: Again, does anyone get to know what error you get? |
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| 00:25.45 | random0ne | mwilson: there is no help for erroneous SM_UNMON bug |
| 00:25.56 | kruzi | error i get is: adduser: no options allowed after names. |
| 00:26.11 | simonrvn | so put them before... sheesh |
| 00:26.19 | simonrvn | @slap kruzi |
| 00:26.26 | brc_ | options go before iirc |
| 00:26.27 | kruzi | i have |
| 00:26.27 | webfreak | or man adduser |
| 00:26.32 | kruzi | no difference |
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| 00:26.40 | random0ne | simonrvn: it is simple. nfs doesn't work. nfs should work. fact that nfs doesn't work remains unsolved |
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| 00:27.13 | kruzi | ive put it before and after. |
| 00:27.30 | dondelelcaro | kruzi: what is the exact command you are using with adduser? |
| 00:27.32 | random0ne | simonrvn: nfs was working for many months, but now it does not. |
| 00:27.35 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah its pretty simple and kernel or userspace |
| 00:27.45 | mwilson | It's hard to break NFS. |
| 00:27.56 | random0ne | mwilson: i didn't break nfs, it has broken me |
| 00:27.58 | mwilson | If I can make it work, anyone should be able to. |
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| 00:28.16 | kruzi | dondelelcaro: adduser --group admins --home /home/admins/username username |
| 00:28.27 | random0ne | mwilson: search for erroneous SM_UNMON and you'll find that it is unresolved |
| 00:28.39 | simonrvn | kruzi: PUT THE OPTION FIRST |
| 00:28.40 | random0ne | mwilson: i have been bitten by an obscure bug |
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| 00:29.05 | simonrvn | --home /home/admins/username is an option |
| 00:29.14 | simonrvn | .... |
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| 00:29.27 | thomas_adam | apt-cake |
| 00:29.55 | n3o_X | whats another good ftpd other then proftpd? |
| 00:30.01 | simonrvn | apt-get install wake-up-brain |
| 00:30.05 | pingouiin | apt-space cake |
| 00:30.15 | nvz | n3o_X: who said there was a good ftp? |
| 00:30.22 | n3o_X | ok.. |
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| 00:30.24 | nvz | n3o_X: apt-cache search ftp |
| 00:30.35 | n3o_X | what would you recomend for multiple hosts.. |
| 00:30.36 | nvz | n3o_X: install a package manager or something |
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| 00:31.15 | n3o_X | unless anybody knows how to fix the No Certificates found error in proftpd |
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| 00:31.20 | dondelelcaro | kruzi: that doesn't add a user. That adds a user to a group. |
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| 00:31.35 | dondelelcaro | kruzi: you want --in-group or something, not --group admins. Read the manpage more closely. |
| 00:31.53 | dondelelcaro | s/in-group/ingroup/ |
| 00:32.01 | thomas_adam | Synaptic is terrible. |
| 00:32.31 | nvz | thomas_adam: its already running in workspace 1, heh |
| 00:32.42 | nvz | thomas_adam: whats terrible about it? |
| 00:33.14 | nvz | thomas_adam: works good for me, I setup debconf to use kde or gnome, and use synaptic, gets across to all the users I have seen so far |
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| 00:34.08 | thomas_adam | It does Strange Things (tm) with dependencies, which it b0rks. The only way of fixing it was to use the CL, which is what I should have done to begin with. For instance, installing mozilla from synaptic lead to all kind of dependency issue I never had from using apt-get on another machine. |
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| 00:34.14 | nvz | I think there is a kde based package manager out there that is going around too |
| 00:34.43 | thomas_adam | Even though all synaptic is (or should be) is a front-end to the apt lib. |
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| 00:34.52 | thomas_adam | I recall mentioning this to dondelelcaro in passing some months ago now. |
| 00:35.10 | random0ne | mwilson: can you link. i could not find anything helpful |
| 00:35.12 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: yeah, it shouldn't be borking things... although, there could be a few bugs... |
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| 00:35.39 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> yorunto british, youc ant say "in passing" |
| 00:35.41 | nvz | I havent seen it do that, but I'll keep it in mind* |
| 00:35.42 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: If I could isolate a concrete example, I'd file one. But as it stands, it's just too arbitrary. |
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| 00:36.02 | thomas_adam | tty1: Could you type that out properly, please? |
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| 00:36.07 | random0ne | mwilson: i have the same nfs software running on diff computers, one works one doesn't, tried different kernels, host/dns, everything |
| 00:36.09 | netcat | n3o_X: I went to www.google.com/linux and typed in: "No Certificates found" proftp and it sent me to a FAQ that has that question... |
| 00:36.18 | mwilson | The only front-end that truly works correctly is dselect. |
| 00:36.36 | nvz | I havent used dselect in a very long time |
| 00:36.40 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: even it has issues from time to time... |
| 00:36.47 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> can you not be a passive agressive prick? you knwo you understood it despite the typos. |
| 00:36.55 | abrotman | aggressive |
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| 00:36.58 | mwilson | aptitude is broken by design, and synaptic is just junk. |
| 00:37.01 | tty1 | that too damnit! |
| 00:37.11 | abrotman | mwilson: you love tasksel :) |
| 00:37.17 | guestish | mwilson: do you ever have anything positive to say? :) |
| 00:37.18 | helloyo | how is synaptic junk? what doesn't it do? |
| 00:37.22 | thomas_adam | tty1: No, really. I couldn't understand what you wrote. :) |
| 00:37.24 | brc_ | aptitude > * =) |
| 00:37.28 | mwilson | abrotman: Love it for what? |
| 00:37.29 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> oh im sorry then :) |
| 00:37.30 | dondelelcaro | tty1: I couldn't parse what you said either. something about brittish people not being able to use in passing or something. |
| 00:37.35 | mwilson | guestish: Sure. |
| 00:37.35 | abrotman | mwilson: makign eggs? |
| 00:37.39 | tty1 | hehehe :) |
| 00:37.41 | nvz | one thing that happened that got me pissed at the dselect people, was the interface change that happened some time ago whereby the two main buttons were switched, confusing me |
| 00:37.48 | thomas_adam | tty1: Try again. |
| 00:37.56 | guestish | mwilson: lets hear it! :) |
| 00:38.05 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> i said "your not british you cant use 'in passing' " |
| 00:38.09 | mwilson | You have to install vte in order to use synaptic? That's silly. |
| 00:38.10 | abrotman | you're |
| 00:38.11 | abrotman | god |
| 00:38.23 | nvz | I dont even reacall dselect navigation, but by the time I got used to it, they reversed it |
| 00:38.23 | thomas_adam | tty1: s/your/you\'re/, and yes I am/. |
| 00:38.27 | random0ne | mwilson: you mentioned you found info on google. can you link. debian runs statd as root, so permission are not the issue |
| 00:38.32 | guestish | mmm...evoution 2.0 |
| 00:38.34 | dondelelcaro | brc_: primarily the fact that it has two separate ways of indicating what should be installed... |
| 00:38.36 | guestish | good stuff |
| 00:38.37 | abrotman | evolution |
| 00:38.39 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> oh.. then by all means.. use it all you like :) |
| 00:38.44 | dondelelcaro | brc_: see the aptitude buglist for enlightenment. |
| 00:38.47 | brc_ | mm... |
| 00:38.48 | abrotman | guestish: from exp? |
| 00:38.49 | brc_ | dondelelcaro, okay |
| 00:39.01 | thomas_adam | tty1: Thanks for that. |
| 00:39.03 | guestish | abrotman: eh? |
| 00:39.10 | nvz | dondelelcaro: aptitude has buglisting built in now too? |
| 00:39.12 | abrotman | guestish: from experimental? |
| 00:39.12 | dondelelcaro | if you just use aptitude, it's generally ok... but it doesn't necessarily play well with the other frontends. |
| 00:39.15 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> my pleasure.. just glad to be of help |
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| 00:39.27 | thomas_adam | What's with the "->" ? |
| 00:39.29 | mwilson | brc_: It ignores the status file. It re-implements a new and undefined package status database not accessible to standard utilities. Its behavior is different on the same package state depending on whether you use it from the command line or the ncurses interface. |
| 00:39.33 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it'll call apt-listbugs just like anything else... but I'm talking about bugs.debian.org/aptitude/ |
| 00:39.40 | dondelelcaro | s#/$## |
| 00:39.42 | random0ne | mwilson: did you find info or not? |
| 00:39.57 | thomas_adam | mwilson: That last point has been a PITA, that the developers refuse to acknowledge. |
| 00:39.59 | mwilson | brc_: It arbitrarily decides to ignore its own hold statuses. |
| 00:40.02 | guestish | abrotman: na, i havent gotten it yet, im not brave enough to use experimental packages |
| 00:40.14 | abrotman | guestish: then were you get evo2.0 from? |
| 00:40.19 | brc_ | mwilson, okay thanks....going to read some of these bugs |
| 00:40.41 | brc_ | mwilson, do you have anything you suggest as a replacement? |
| 00:40.42 | guestish | abrotman: i havent yet, im just taking a look at the slashdot article |
| 00:40.44 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Oh, no, they acknowledged it. They said "oh, gee, dependency resolution is hard, don't yell at us". |
| 00:40.49 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I havent really had apt-listbugs be useful yet. most of the time the bugs are reported with experimental version numbers, or something and it doesnt apply to me. |
| 00:40.51 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 00:40.56 | abrotman | guestish: oh |
| 00:41.00 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, i don't use it either... *shrug* |
| 00:41.06 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Look around... I think it's still an open bug. |
| 00:41.26 | nvz | dondelelcaro: going yo have to query the bts when something goes wrong anyhow |
| 00:41.36 | random0ne | mwilson: you made smart-ass comment, can you back it up or are you wasting my time? |
| 00:41.54 | mwilson | random0ne: Hm? Did I say anything to you? |
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| 00:42.28 | mwilson | random0ne: Or did I only make an observation that I was googling? |
| 00:42.29 | nvz | aptitude does seem to handle orphans though, I havent really seen synaptic doing that |
| 00:42.47 | mwilson | random0ne: As *you* suggested? |
| 00:42.52 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yessir? |
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| 00:43.00 | Darksmurf | Sound problems! Sound works under Enlightenment and on the Console. When I try to play an MP3 via XMMS it sounds distorted and choppy. Same thing happens when I try to play via AMP on the console |
| 00:43.05 | Darksmurf | Any help |
| 00:43.06 | abrotman | thomas_adam: it was kinky .. thanks |
| 00:43.17 | guestish | whats up with the rush of udev users? |
| 00:43.29 | mwilson | guestish: It's 'l33t to use udev. |
| 00:43.36 | nvz | not even with the complete removal does it say anything about orphaned libs or anything in synaptic that I ever seen |
| 00:43.36 | random0ne | mwilson: you implied you found relevant information and that the trouble i've run into is trivial |
| 00:43.41 | guestish | mwilson: hah |
| 00:43.43 | simonrvn | incompetent fools not reading docs. again. |
| 00:43.45 | mwilson | guestish: Like it was 'l33t to use devfs. |
| 00:43.50 | sussudio | what's blue and red and goes round and round at 150mph? |
| 00:43.52 | guestish | mwilson: its caused nothing but a flood of noobs |
| 00:44.02 | guestish | mwilson: you try it out yet? |
| 00:44.09 | mwilson | guestish: No, no use for it. |
| 00:44.21 | guestish | same...i might install it just to see what the big deal is.. |
| 00:44.27 | Noid | sussudio: a bleeding smurf tied to a spinning record? |
| 00:44.40 | guestish | lol... |
| 00:44.45 | sussudio | Noid: no, that smurf situated in a blender. |
| 00:44.48 | thomas_adam | "But.. but, I only like to see my /dev tree with devices currently plugged in! When it's full with the others, it confuses me." |
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| 00:44.58 | Noid | sussudio: fair enough d-: |
| 00:45.05 | mwilson | guestish: udev also leads into the next generation of the penis-waving war... "my /dev is emptier than yours..." |
| 00:45.08 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse thomas_adam |
| 00:45.10 | dpkg | yes, how was their bacon yesterday, thomas_adam? by order of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra anchovies |
| 00:45.16 | guestish | mwilson: who cares... |
| 00:45.21 | mwilson | guestish: The morons do. |
| 00:45.22 | mith | does http://www.packetstormsecurity.org/filedesc/debian.telnetd.txt.html apply to sarge? |
| 00:45.33 | mith | not that it matters, since we don't run telnet. |
| 00:45.35 | thomas_adam | Mmmm, bacon. |
| 00:45.37 | simonrvn | try it and see |
| 00:45.40 | guestish | whatever |
| 00:45.49 | dipnlik | Hi all. Anyone knows how to mount a palmtop's SD card? |
| 00:45.57 | dondelelcaro | mith: I think so... someone was mumbling about it in -devel |
| 00:45.58 | sussudio | !mith mith |
| 00:46.00 | guestish | i suppose its useful for some things like usb devices |
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| 00:46.13 | mwilson | guestish: IMHO, udev, like devfs, is a problem looking for another problem it can claim to have solved. |
| 00:46.15 | scarynetworkguy | here piggy piggy |
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| 00:46.31 | guestish | mwilson: well its basically just the next generation of devfs, right? |
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| 00:46.35 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 00:46.38 | dondelelcaro | mith: yeah, looks like the fix has been uploaded to sid... the fix for sarge will probably make it in in a bit. |
| 00:46.43 | Noid | hmmm devfs was scary, to say the least |
| 00:46.46 | simonrvn | guestish: no |
| 00:47.19 | mwilson | I can't see bothering with Debian's udev package, unless the maintainer has become sane again and implemented a normal naming policy |
| 00:47.26 | Noid | dondelelcaro: for the pure thrill value |
| 00:47.26 | guestish | simonp: what is it? |
| 00:47.30 | GWiz | My Woody box was rooted last night, and I'm hoping to figure out how it happened, and how to prevent it in the future. Anybody here game to a little q&a? |
| 00:47.30 | guestish | simonrvn: what is it? |
| 00:47.33 | mwilson | !maint udev |
| 00:47.35 | user01 | do i have to restart samba each time i change smb.conf? |
| 00:47.40 | dpkg | udev: Marco d'Itri <md@linux.it> |
| 00:47.49 | thomas_adam | user01: Yes, but then you don't change it often, do you? |
| 00:47.49 | The_Vulture | GWiz: were you up to date with security fixes? |
| 00:47.57 | kruzi | hmm do i have to use ssh2 with sarge? |
| 00:48.01 | thomas_adam | user01: If you are, you're doing something wrong. |
| 00:48.07 | user01 | thomas_adam: im still trying to get it to work :P |
| 00:48.10 | dondelelcaro | kruzi: no, but it's the default. |
| 00:48.19 | dondelelcaro | kruzi: odds are you really want to use v2... |
| 00:48.33 | kruzi | yeah in securecrt i always get probs though |
| 00:48.42 | random0ne | mwilson: now that we've established that my nfs problem has no known workaround, what about samba homes? |
| 00:48.49 | user01 | thomas_adam: i cant get it to log on from windows but windows sees it |
| 00:48.56 | kruzi | unable to auth using any of the configured auth methods |
| 00:48.59 | thomas_adam | user01: #samba |
| 00:49.02 | simonrvn | that's "securecrt"'s problem, not ssh v2's |
| 00:49.02 | kruzi | creates headaches |
| 00:49.05 | GWiz | The_Vulture: unsure, I'm pretty good about that, but it may have been a few weeks since the last security fix... I was capturing a log at the time it happened, and found what looked like a root kit (from looking at the files) in /tmp/xpl |
| 00:49.09 | user01 | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 00:49.16 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Forbidden Planet? (this may be a dupe) |
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| 00:49.34 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: No, not a dupe. Good, though. |
| 00:49.43 | Noid | random0ne: i think mwilson was, in his own subtle way, hinting you to google for info on the bug you seem to have |
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| 00:49.58 | The_Vulture | GWiz: a few weeks can mean a great deal, check debian-security-announce archives for the period you haven't updated and cross reference with the packages you have installed |
| 00:50.07 | mwilson | random0ne: You established that, not me. I'm reading about NFS. |
| 00:50.32 | mwilson | Noid: No, he invited me to google about it, and I am. |
| 00:50.43 | mwilson | Noid: NFS is always interesting. |
| 00:50.44 | random0ne | Noid: i've read all 23 redundant messages about the problem i've encountered |
| 00:50.52 | dondelelcaro | GWiz: you should probably also run chkrootkit |
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| 00:51.14 | Noid | mwilson: oh, i thought you had found something related to his bug |
| 00:51.17 | random0ne | mwilson: let me know if you read anything helpful. |
| 00:51.19 | GWiz | The_Vulture: Good, that's been done already, didn't see anything... unfortunately, the machine was reset and that erased a good deal of what was there |
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| 00:51.43 | Noid | mwilson: something useful to him, that is |
| 00:52.06 | GWiz | The_Vulture: I'm mostly wondering about the kernel, and whether any Woody kernel is updated enough (>2.4.23) to eliminate that as a vulnerable point |
| 00:52.28 | The_Vulture | GWiz: security fixes are backported to everything, including kernels as I understand it |
| 00:52.33 | GWiz | The_Vulture: as I don't see anything later than 2.4.19 in the list of available packages |
| 00:52.46 | bjron | hmm, got alsa working w/ xmms, but no sound w/ ogle, or even something as simple as bplay ;(. Any hints on how to make this stuff work? |
| 00:52.50 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Plan 9 from Outer Space? |
| 00:53.02 | The_Vulture | people get fussed over complete version numbers, based on non-debian info about their security or insecurity, which doesn't factor in debian backported patches |
| 00:53.02 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: New one to me. |
| 00:53.06 | user01 | #samba isnt a very talkative room :p |
| 00:53.14 | thomas_adam | user01: /msg dpkg piav |
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| 00:54.02 | deb-nube | but |
| 00:54.03 | GWiz | The_Vulture: I frankly don't understand the process of backporting fixes into older kernel sources... if someone could point me to an appropriate site I'd be happy to read up on it |
| 00:54.07 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Oh you must find it :D |
| 00:54.14 | thomas_adam | I shall do so. :) |
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| 00:54.23 | deb-nube | I have an issue with ethernet not working |
| 00:54.33 | user01 | thomas_adam: /msg dpkg piav what is that? |
| 00:54.33 | dipnlik | Anyone knows how to mount a palmtop's SD card? |
| 00:54.33 | zinx | thomas_adam: worst sci-fi movie ever, period |
| 00:54.33 | deb-nube | I can get wifi connections easily |
| 00:54.34 | thomas_adam | deb-nube: Get to the point. |
| 00:54.42 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: it's one of those so very very bad that is good deals |
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| 00:54.47 | The_Vulture | GWiz: I'm not sure there's any specific documentation, but backporting fixes to any packages, kernel or otherwise is basically the same. |
| 00:54.48 | zinx | thomas_adam: it's so bad it's popular |
| 00:54.57 | tty1 | OOPS |
| 00:55.05 | tty1 | deb-nube -> i HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE SAYIGN THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SOMEOTHING WITHOUT SAYING WHY THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT |
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| 00:55.09 | tty1 | oops caps lock sorry |
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| 00:55.27 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> :) |
| 00:55.38 | tcsetattr | stty -xcase </dev/tty1 |
| 00:55.42 | The_Vulture | When a problem is discovered, it is fixed in the main kernel source, perhaps in older versions too, if it isn't fixed in the debian stable version, the debian security team look at the code that fixed the problem, and see whether the problem applies to debian stable, and if so how it would be fixed in a similar manner, and fix it |
| 00:55.53 | g4lt | thomas_adam why not just blind-type reset into the vty? |
| 00:55.59 | deb-nube | but ifup eth0 gives me an address that only lasts a few minutes |
| 00:56.00 | tty1 | scarynetworkguy -> thats for me to knwo and yout o find out *scary music* :) |
| 00:56.03 | thomas_adam | !thomas ideals |
| 00:56.04 | dpkg | TMTOWTDI, YMMV, HTH, YHBT, HAND. |
| 00:56.08 | thomas_adam | g4lt: ^ |
| 00:56.12 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Invasion of the Body Snatchers |
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| 00:56.20 | GWiz | The_Vulture: ok, thanks... seems to be a common enough question that there would be a faq or something.. I'll dig around a bit more. Thanks for the advice |
| 00:56.20 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: The original is excellent. |
| 00:56.34 | zerocool | zzz |
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| 00:56.45 | deb-nube | and then reverts to whatever the DHCP refused address is: 169.254.. |
| 00:56.45 | simonrvn | what a dufus |
| 00:56.46 | g4lt | !ops |
| 00:56.47 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 00:56.50 | zerocool | zzzzzzz |
| 00:56.51 | zerocool | z |
| 00:56.55 | zerocool | z |
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| 00:56.56 | thomas_adam | zerocool: STFU. |
| 00:56.56 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: heh |
| 00:56.57 | zerocool | z |
| 00:57.01 | zerocool | z |
| 00:57.07 | g4lt | wake up, ops |
| 00:57.08 | The_Vulture | you then get the kernel-image-a.b.c-num for some num as fixes are included, as I understand it.. |
| 00:57.09 | zerocool | z |
| 00:57.13 | simonrvn | zerocool: S. T. F. U. |
| 00:57.13 | zerocool | z |
| 00:57.14 | thomas_adam | !ops |
| 00:57.14 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 00:57.15 | zerocool | z |
| 00:57.15 | scarynetworkguy | tty1: you should really try harder |
| 00:57.17 | zerocool | z |
| 00:57.19 | zinx | deb-nube: uhm, linux doens't have a dhcp refused address |
| 00:57.21 | zerocool | z |
| 00:57.23 | zerocool | zaoeu |
| 00:57.24 | numist | zerocool: piss off |
| 00:57.25 | zerocool | ; |
| 00:57.26 | zinx | deb-nube: that's entirely a windows thing. |
| 00:57.27 | zerocool | ;crl |
| 00:57.30 | zerocool | carl |
| 00:57.37 | GomoX | /ignore zerocool |
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| 00:57.37 | tty1 | scarynetworkguy -> try harder to do what? |
| 00:57.42 | scarynetworkguy | tty1: freemo |
| 00:57.43 | numist | thanks Rez |
| 00:57.51 | tty1 | scarynetworkguy -> yea.. i changed my nick in the channel.. duh |
| 00:57.56 | zinx | deb-nube: then the DHCP server is misconfigured |
| 00:58.00 | simonrvn | (20:57) CTCP VERSION reply from zerocool: BitchX-1.0c20cvs+ by panasync - Linux 2.6.6-1-686 : Keep it to yourself! |
| 00:58.06 | deb-nube | all the other linux boxes can get on the network no problem |
| 00:58.06 | tty1 | scarynetworkguy -> you said what, not who. ifyou had said who i woudl know wha tyouwe re tlakinga bout |
| 00:58.28 | simonrvn | tty1: WTF? |
| 00:58.29 | thomas_adam | tty1: You have a PEBUAK issue. |
| 00:58.30 | zinx | deb-nube: doesn't matter. dhcp server is misconfigured if it's giving the box the wrong IP :) |
| 00:58.30 | tty1 | i was goign to register my nick and had to think up something creative |
| 00:58.34 | deb-nube | (including other debian boxes) |
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| 00:58.44 | tcsetattr | ok, we know tty1 doesn't look at the screen before pressing ENTER |
| 00:58.44 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> PEBUAK? |
| 00:58.47 | tty1 | simonp -> what? |
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| 00:58.55 | thomas_adam | Problem Exists Between User And Keyboard. |
| 00:58.59 | deb-nube | zinx, you think it is caching the MAC address of the previous machine or somethin? |
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| 00:59.08 | tty1 | thomas_adam -> its caus eim on a damn laptop |
| 00:59.10 | helix | what an annoying thing to do |
| 00:59.18 | zinx | deb-nube: *shrug* |
| 00:59.29 | simonrvn | *sigh*. fuck this. AFK |
| 00:59.33 | zinx | deb-nube: i don't know anything about your dhcp server or its configuration |
| 00:59.35 | deb-nube | zinx, how do I clear my dhcp cache? |
| 00:59.42 | tty1 | im use to my natural keyboard.. and this is sooo different..t eh space bar is in a different place and all |
| 00:59.47 | deb-nube | just rm -rf /var/blabbab/dhcp |
| 00:59.49 | deb-nube | ? |
| 01:00.01 | zinx | deb-nube: the local cache is in /var/lib/dhcp*/ |
| 01:00.08 | deb-nube | ok |
| 01:00.14 | zinx | deb-nube: but that's just the client :/ |
| 01:00.25 | zinx | (unless you're running a server) |
| 01:00.34 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: War of the Worlds (1953) |
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| 01:00.41 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Yep. |
| 01:00.46 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: *nods* |
| 01:00.47 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Quatermass and The Pit. |
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| 01:00.56 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: yes :D |
| 01:01.08 | deb-nube | perhaps the system tries to request an address previously used by another machine and initially gets it ... then after a minute it gets kicked off due to MAC mixups ... |
| 01:01.34 | zinx | deb-nube: Linux doesn't ever choose that range itself |
| 01:01.43 | dondelelcaro | deb-nube: any sane server pings an address before it hands it out. |
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| 01:02.00 | deb-nube | well it's a windows DHCP server I am certain |
| 01:02.08 | dondelelcaro | then all bets are off. |
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| 01:02.42 | tty1 | damnit im fucking hungary.. we really should set up a buffet in this chatroom. |
| 01:02.46 | deb-nube | anyway i couldn't get an address from my little plastic router at home either ... then I just waited a bit and it was ok |
| 01:03.00 | dondelelcaro | tty1: you provide the cashish, I'll purchase the food. |
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| 01:03.25 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: skipping forward a few decades. The Black Hole? |
| 01:03.29 | tty1 | dondelelcaro -> so long as we can have hash brownies for the "Sepcial" people :) |
| 01:03.39 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Not seen that. Heard good things about it, though. |
| 01:03.45 | dondelelcaro | tty1: you can have whatever you want. |
| 01:03.52 | thomas_adam | Mmmm, Piggy. |
| 01:03.56 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: it rocks |
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| 01:04.01 | scarynetworkguy | mmmmmmm ham |
| 01:04.09 | deb-nube | linux has come a long way when builtin wifi works out of the box but the ethernet is fuxored due to DHCP server madness ... used to be wifi was a dream and ethernet was our only chance |
| 01:04.15 | tty1 | dondelelcaro -> deal :) |
| 01:04.21 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Clash of the Titans? |
| 01:04.29 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Of course. :) |
| 01:04.35 | deb-nube | debian is mainstream :-| |
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| 01:05.16 | zinx | deb-nube: again, the problem is with the server |
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| 01:05.26 | deb-nube | zinx, yeah |
| 01:05.38 | deb-nube | zinx, well ... the network really |
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| 01:06.21 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.21 | deb-nube | there's 4 other linux notebooks (fedora and debian) and a BSD workstation purring along with WinDHCP doling out addresses ... |
| 01:06.27 | thomas_adam | Ha. |
| 01:06.33 | scarynetworkguy | Pretty much anything by Ray Harryhausen I think |
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| 01:06.39 | thomas_adam | Yes. |
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| 01:07.08 | tty1 | you guys like my new screen name *does a twist* |
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| 01:07.26 | deb-nube | is it possible to identify ("map") interfaces by MAC address in /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 01:07.30 | doublehp | I m actually running a Sarge RC1 CD on a comp, and I need to run badblocks ... this command was still present in beta; where has it gone now ? |
| 01:07.41 | thomas_adam | doublehp: It's still there. |
| 01:07.48 | doublehp | thomas_adam: where ? |
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| 01:08.00 | thomas_adam | station:~# whereis badblocks |
| 01:08.00 | thomas_adam | badblocks: /sbin/badblocks /usr/share/man/man8/badblocks.8.gz |
| 01:08.11 | deb-nube | i mean will ifupdown recognize that or do I need to use a script (awk or something) to get the MAC address into a variable or something |
| 01:08.35 | thomas_adam | doublehp: Now run along. If you have to ask _that_, you shouldn't attempt to run it. |
| 01:08.36 | zinx | deb-nube: kinda, but it's somewhat evil |
| 01:08.46 | deb-nube | hmm |
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| 01:09.06 | zinx | deb-nube: use ifrename |
| 01:09.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | tcp 0 0 192.168.0.1:netbios-ssn 192.168.0.5:1089 ESTABLISHED <----- any idea why i see this on a netstat -a ? nor 192.168.0.1 nor 192.168.0.5 are of this computer ip addresses |
| 01:09.21 | deb-nube | ok |
| 01:09.25 | zinx | (and /etc/iftab) |
| 01:09.47 | doublehp | thomas_adam: when I hit 'badblocks' it says cmd not found |
| 01:09.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | and this comp is not forwarding |
| 01:09.54 | thomas_adam | doublehp: "hit"? |
| 01:10.07 | doublehp | thomas_adam: hit those keys ... |
| 01:10.08 | Darksmurf | Anyone know why an MP3 won't play correctly under Sarge? Sound in general works, MP3s are garbled... I don't have any other sounds (i.e. WAV) to test with |
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| 01:10.24 | tell | how can i have colors in console as root? |
| 01:10.26 | Darksmurf | Its a C-Media (CMPCI module) |
| 01:10.31 | thomas_adam | doublehp: You have to be 'root', in "init 1" and have your partition mounted 'ro'. |
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| 01:10.35 | deb-nube | Darksmurf, dunno 2out5 of my systems have no sound :-( |
| 01:10.55 | thomas_adam | doublehp: If you suspect disk trouble, I'd suggest running badblocks off a rescue CD. |
| 01:11.14 | doublehp | thomas_adam: ??? do you mean I should mount a partition to run badblock on it ??? |
| 01:11.15 | thomas_adam | tell: /msg dpkg ls colours |
| 01:11.21 | Darksmurf | deb-nube, :-( thats no good. The new installer saw my card, installed the correct module. cat /dev/random /dev/dsp make noise |
| 01:11.21 | user01 | how do i restart samba at the command line? |
| 01:11.22 | thomas_adam | doublehp: Did I say that? |
| 01:11.24 | doublehp | thomas_adam: (02:06:26) doublehp: I m actually running a Sarge RC1 CD |
| 01:11.24 | thomas_adam | doublehp: No. |
| 01:11.29 | tell | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.52 | thomas_adam | tell: sorry: ls colour |
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| 01:12.01 | deb-nube | 2 laptops are basically identical but one has no sound while the other does ... here I think it is APCI interfering or something. One machine has a newer BIOS |
| 01:12.08 | user01 | it would have to be both smbd and nmbd i imagine |
| 01:12.40 | Ox0F0-0FF | tcp 0 0 192.168.0.1:netbios-ssn 192.168.0.5:1089 ESTABLISHED <----- any idea why i see this on a netstat -a ? nor 192.168.0.1 nor 192.168.0.5 are of this computer ip addresses an this comp is not forwarding... how come it writes 192.168.0.1 as local address since it's an other computer ? |
| 01:13.09 | doublehp | Ox0F0-0FF: ip spooffing ? |
| 01:13.13 | tcsetattr | use netstat -p |
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| 01:13.31 | kinema | does anyone here use apt-proxy? |
| 01:13.49 | afcpack | hmm...had to do some deep googling to fix my gnome sound after installing udev... |
| 01:13.50 | thomas_adam | kinema: No, but if you do, consider using apt-cacher instead. apt-proxy sucks. |
| 01:13.55 | doublehp | thomas_adam: you said : "have your partition mounted 'ro'." |
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| 01:14.12 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: it worked fine the few times that I used it... |
| 01:14.18 | kinema | thomas_adam: are you a apt-cacher dev? |
| 01:14.24 | thomas_adam | kinema: No. |
| 01:14.38 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: It breaks after a while. |
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| 01:14.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | heh |
| 01:14.42 | doublehp | what are altervatives to badblocks to check a hdd ? |
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| 01:14.47 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: hrm... which bugs? |
| 01:14.49 | thomas_adam | doublehp: fsck |
| 01:14.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | stopped samba a few minutes and now it's not there anymore |
| 01:14.59 | thomas_adam | doublehp: RTFM. |
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| 01:15.29 | deb-nube | Darksmurf, ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:549:(snd_pcm_hw_start) SNDRV_PCM_IOCTL_START failed: Broken pipe ..... is one error I get often |
| 01:15.33 | doublehp | thomas_adam: which manual do you wanna me read when I cant find the executable ? |
| 01:15.45 | thomas_adam | doublehp: Why don't you use knoppix? |
| 01:15.45 | Ox0F0-0FF | makes me think like someone using 192.168.0.5 to get in this comp through 192.168.0.1 which is internet gateway and prohibited by iptables |
| 01:15.48 | mwilson | gods, stupid bash subshells |
| 01:15.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | i'll change my security strategy |
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| 01:16.14 | kinema | thomas_adam: why would a simple dpkg proxy/cacher need to depend on apache? |
| 01:16.35 | doublehp | thomas_adam: because I have always founded badblocks in all my floppy set and netinst CDs until today ... |
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| 01:17.00 | Darksmurf | deb-nube wha?! |
| 01:17.04 | thomas_adam | kinema: I don't know. |
| 01:17.15 | user01 | thomas_adam: i think there is only one person answering questions in #samba and he just left |
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| 01:17.30 | doublehp | thomas_adam: my first question was : is badblock still in sarge RC1 netins CD ? if yes, mhere ? |
| 01:17.31 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: #267880 |
| 01:19.11 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: Go bitch in #debian-boot |
| 01:19.16 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: woops. |
| 01:19.20 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam, hey |
| 01:19.25 | thomas_adam | doublehp: go bitch in #debian-boot |
| 01:19.31 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: Hello.... |
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| 01:19.48 | thomas_adam | user01: Oh well. |
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| 01:19.58 | thomas_adam | user01: Try their mailing list. |
| 01:20.07 | SNIa | hrmn, my mom works at the bank... almost caught someone using stolen identity, got the cheque cashed, but left when she asked for SIN # said it was in the car... matched the doctors signature and everything |
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| 01:20.27 | rich_ | Hello |
| 01:20.31 | SNIa | yo |
| 01:20.39 | random0ne | mwilson: i'm assuming you've had no luck diggin up anything relevant. i'd be happy at this point to know what i need to downgrade, etc. |
| 01:21.30 | trans_err | what do I need to do so I can build qt apps in debian? It always tells me that there are no kde headers in my path |
| 01:21.31 | mwilson | random0ne: No offense, but where did you get the idea that I was doing research for your sake? |
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| 01:22.08 | mwilson | trans_err: Are you building qt apps, or KDE apps? |
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| 01:22.44 | random0ne | mwilson: mostly from the fact that you were reading about NFS. |
| 01:22.48 | denix | can someone help me intall the hostap drivers... it says *** Can't build for 2.6 with a non-2.6 source! |
| 01:23.04 | random0ne | mwilson: directly after i asked about NFS. |
| 01:23.17 | trans_err | mwilson: KDE- oops |
| 01:23.27 | mwilson | random0ne: Sure. It interested me. |
| 01:23.28 | random0ne | mwilson: and based on the assumption that you were here to be helpful |
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| 01:23.47 | mwilson | random0ne: Occasionally I am. I also choose what with. |
| 01:23.48 | thomas_adam | Why keep a dog and bark yourself, eh, random0ne? |
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| 01:24.11 | random0ne | thomas_adam: why give salt to a dehydrated man? |
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| 01:24.28 | tintin | hi |
| 01:24.29 | mentor | Doesn't one need salt when one is dehydrated? |
| 01:24.43 | random0ne | mentor: not without water |
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| 01:24.54 | tintin | a good man coul help me |
| 01:24.58 | mentor | random0ne: Yes, but you still need salt. |
| 01:25.09 | tintin | i can't have x with user account |
| 01:25.09 | random0ne | mwilson: so you are choosing not to help me--or you can't help me? |
| 01:25.28 | tintin | onlly root can use startx |
| 01:25.43 | random0ne | mentor: good point |
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| 01:26.13 | tintin | i have reconfigure the Xwrapper but it the sem |
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| 01:26.34 | trans_err | tintin: why would you want a user to run startx? |
| 01:26.49 | mwilson | random0ne: Why are you pursuing me? I'm choosing not to get involved in your issue. *I* let it drop, quite some time ago. |
| 01:26.56 | tintin | yes but in console any user don't recognize startx |
| 01:26.57 | thomas_adam | tintin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 01:27.02 | trans_err | use a login manager like gdm or kdm after X is started by root |
| 01:27.06 | tintin | i did it ya |
| 01:27.07 | random0ne | mwilson: not before you made smart-ass comments |
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| 01:27.21 | tintin | but no change |
| 01:27.37 | mentor | random0ne: OK, I think mwilson has made it clear that he doesn't want t o help you. |
| 01:27.41 | mwilson | random0ne: You told me to go google it. I went and googled it. I told you I was googling it. This is a smart-ass comment? |
| 01:27.57 | thomas_adam | tintin: Then edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config ny hand. |
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| 01:28.19 | random0ne | mwilson: the tone was self-evident. for instance you called it a "silly NFS" problem |
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| 01:28.36 | helloyo | is it difficult to change to lilo? (want to put on a cool theme) |
| 01:28.38 | random0ne | mwilson: i do realize that you a major helpful force here on #debian |
| 01:28.50 | asittler_ | random0ne: Just kiss and make up, why don't you. |
| 01:28.58 | tintin | in that file i have some information about deconf |
| 01:29.03 | mwilson | random0ne: *drop* it. |
| 01:29.07 | random0ne | mwilson: and your place in debian heaven is guaranteed. |
| 01:29.09 | JoshH | random0ne: hah, i hope that was sarcasm |
| 01:29.16 | mentor | random0ne: Stop now. |
| 01:29.22 | ^IcE-bOy^ | hi |
| 01:29.31 | random0ne | mwilson: i need help. can you provide it? if yes, will you? |
| 01:29.32 | dondelelcaro | random0ne: are you still going on about this? yeesh. |
| 01:29.38 | ^IcE-bOy^ | i'm trying to make a simple debian package that copy files to /var/www/ |
| 01:29.54 | mentor | random0ne: The issue has ended. |
| 01:29.56 | ^IcE-bOy^ | but i get this error in dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 01:29.56 | JoshH | random0ne: what is your problem exactly? |
| 01:29.58 | dondelelcaro | random0ne: just ask your question. If someone answers, they answer. If you don't like the answer, try again in a half or quarter hour. |
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| 01:29.58 | ^IcE-bOy^ | found eof where expected start of change data at /usr/lib/dpkg/parsechangelog/debian line 136, <STDIN> line 1. |
| 01:29.59 | ^IcE-bOy^ | dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package |
| 01:30.00 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: i still have an nfs problem. so far i've only gotten snide comments |
| 01:30.03 | ^IcE-bOy^ | what could happen ? THanks |
| 01:30.15 | dondelelcaro | random0ne: *what* is your NFS problem? |
| 01:30.16 | tty1 | guys.. i swear to god im dreaming in linux.. i wake up and im in the middle of typing out commands |
| 01:30.18 | helloyo | has anyone put that cool matrix theme on grub? |
| 01:30.27 | g4lt | random0ne and this is surprising, given your attitude? |
| 01:30.32 | mentor | helloyo: No, nobody uses it. |
| 01:30.35 | tintin | any other idea is welcome |
| 01:30.49 | mentor | g4lt: Please don't feed it. |
| 01:30.53 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: "Received erroneous SM_UNMON request from <client> for <server>" |
| 01:31.02 | tty1 | i want linux tolook cooler :( |
| 01:31.09 | asittler_ | random0ne: If you don't ask a straight question, you won't get a straight answer. |
| 01:31.11 | dondelelcaro | random0ne: and? |
| 01:31.23 | tintin | okey i will try find solution tomorrow morning ya |
| 01:31.29 | asittler_ | tty1: Linux looks cool enough as it is. |
| 01:31.54 | tty1 | asittler_ -> i want somethign to make the bash prompt have a background or something |
| 01:31.55 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: and my system is unresponsive while NFS flails. and i can't find any help on the internet. and i'm using debian. |
| 01:31.58 | tintin | onelly one question |
| 01:31.59 | helloyo | mentor, ok then |
| 01:32.04 | deviousubb | tty1: transparency :) |
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| 01:32.15 | asittler_ | tty1: google bashish |
| 01:32.15 | mentor | !tell helloyo about ask |
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| 01:32.23 | tintin | i selected for everybody and no chznge where should be the bug |
| 01:32.35 | tty1 | deviousubb -> is that an xwindows thing? |
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| 01:32.40 | deviousubb | ya |
| 01:32.42 | tty1 | asittler_ -> is that xwindows related? |
| 01:32.43 | random0ne | i was serious about what mwilson has contributed. i too would blindly (or enlightenly) take his side. |
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| 01:32.48 | deviousubb | guess you're not using x window? |
| 01:32.53 | asittler_ | Might be, I don't know. |
| 01:32.54 | tty1 | deviousubb -> yea i dont use x windows. alteast not on all my boxes |
| 01:32.55 | mentor | tintin: How does it not work as a user? |
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| 01:33.01 | andrew__ | is the top command the best way to view physical/kernel memory? |
| 01:33.02 | JoshH | random0ne: ive found a couple good things from google, check this out: http://seclists.org/linux-kernel/2001/Dec/5052.html apologies if you have already seen it |
| 01:33.04 | tintin | the startx |
| 01:33.10 | tintin | no recofniezd |
| 01:33.12 | tty1 | asittler_ -> how can you recomend somethign you know nothign about |
| 01:33.26 | mentor | tintin: I'm sorry, I don't understand. |
| 01:33.33 | g4lt | random0ne man nfs, look for intr. htat may allow you to have your system back at least |
| 01:33.37 | asittler_ | I used to use it. |
| 01:33.44 | tintin | mentor when i try start x the command isn't recognized |
| 01:33.49 | tty1 | asittler_ -> then you should know! |
| 01:33.52 | asittler_ | That, and I heard quite a bit about it. |
| 01:33.56 | Shundread | Say, can anyone help me? I'm new to linux and I cannot configure my sound card or my video card properly |
| 01:34.04 | random0ne | g4lt: it recovers, but is unusable on nfs mounts |
| 01:34.08 | JoshH | Shundread: what sound and video card? |
| 01:34.10 | g4lt | !tell Shundread about audio |
| 01:34.13 | mentor | tintin: IS /usr/X11R6/bin/ in your $PATH? |
| 01:34.26 | dondelelcaro | random0ne: well, the SM_UNMON is just rpc unmonitoring a machine. You'll have to give more information on what is going on in the dmesg and what kernel|nfs setup you're using here... |
| 01:34.36 | tintin | yes i have all |
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| 01:34.56 | random0ne | JoshH: i have already seen it. statd runs as root on debian. |
| 01:35.04 | thomas_adam | tintin: grep allowed /etc/X11/X#Xwrapper.config |
| 01:35.12 | thomas_adam | tintin: What does that produce? |
| 01:35.25 | tintin | i will try it |
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| 01:35.26 | Shundread | sound card: Onboard AC97 2 channel Audio Codec, on Soyo Motherboard, chipset VIA P4m266A Northbridge / VT8235 Southbridge |
| 01:35.36 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: let me know what you need. i have tried both debian and stock kernels. i have tried different options. ihave tried both udp and tcp |
| 01:35.54 | nvz | random0ne: your uname -r, if you are using kernel or userspace nfs |
| 01:35.59 | nvz | random0ne: some valid info |
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| 01:36.12 | g4lt | !tell shundread about ac97 |
| 01:36.32 | Shundread | Video: NVIDIA Geforce 4 MX440-8X |
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| 01:36.35 | MrP | Hello |
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| 01:36.44 | random0ne | nvz: currently running 2.6.7 custom (based on stock) also tried 2.6.8.1 and 2.6.8(-1?) debian source |
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| 01:36.51 | JoshH | Shundread: is X working for you at all? |
| 01:36.55 | Shundread | Adding AC97 on modconf doesn't work. =( |
| 01:36.56 | random0ne | nvz: kernel nfs server, v3 |
| 01:37.04 | g4lt | Shundread there's plenty of nvidia howtos, but I can't remember the factoids for them ;) |
| 01:37.19 | dondelelcaro | random0ne: are you using nfs v2, v3 or v4? |
| 01:37.21 | MrP | Anyone know why none of my audio programs can work? I added my user to the audio group, and it plays the jingle when I log in |
| 01:37.22 | PizzaBoy | Has anyone here ever herd of a "DaBreegster" ? He told me I could find him here |
| 01:37.22 | Noid | !tell Shundread about nvidia-howto |
| 01:37.24 | g4lt | Shundread did you read the second factoid? |
| 01:37.36 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: v3 explicitly |
| 01:37.39 | Shundread | My X is running at 16 colours, 640x480. =( |
| 01:37.54 | Shundread | Hehehe, it's pretty crappy at this resolution |
| 01:37.54 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: as specified in /etc/default/nfs-kernel-serverf |
| 01:37.57 | mentor | PizzaBoy: 'who' |
| 01:38.00 | tintin | thomas anybody |
| 01:38.13 | g4lt | PizzaBoy he lied |
| 01:38.17 | mentor | PizzaBoy: '/who' even |
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| 01:38.33 | thomas_adam | tintin: That's OK. |
| 01:38.35 | MrP | Shundread: I had the same problem. The only way I could fix it was weird. I reinstalled everything but the GUI. After everything was installed, I used apt to get and install kde. After that, it worked perfect |
| 01:38.37 | random0ne | i am also getting not responding errors |
| 01:38.53 | tintin | yes for the information but not for startx |
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| 01:38.58 | Shundread | I'm using IceWM |
| 01:39.14 | tintin | i can't startx only root |
| 01:39.26 | tintin | where is the mistake |
| 01:39.39 | tintin | i'm looking for than 3 hours now |
| 01:39.42 | MrP | Anyone know why none of my audio programs can work? I added my user to the audio group, and it plays the jingle when I log in |
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| 01:39.46 | thomas_adam | tintin: ls -l $(which startx) |
| 01:39.51 | nvz | somewhere between the keyboard and the chair |
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| 01:40.11 | nvz | keep looing, try opening your eyes once in awhile. you'll get it |
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| 01:40.39 | ^IcE-bOy^ | how can i do a .deb that run a exe file when finish installation ? |
| 01:40.41 | tintin | root only |
| 01:41.03 | tintin | how can i put my users |
| 01:41.23 | mentor | ^IcE-bOy^: Run dpkg on Windows? |
| 01:41.24 | dondelelcaro | ^IcE-bOy^: read the new maintainers guide. It's all documented there. |
| 01:41.31 | g4lt | !tell tintin about xwrapper |
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| 01:41.41 | mentor | ^IcE-bOy^: Use the maintainer scripts...this is all in hte policy/maintainers guide |
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| 01:41.48 | ^IcE-bOy^ | mentor, sorry for my english, i refer a executable file |
| 01:42.01 | rich_ | tintin seems to me when I installed it asked me if I wanted root only to start x. The other choices were to let anyone start it or to only let console users use it |
| 01:42.07 | ^IcE-bOy^ | dondelelcaro, where can i fin this guide |
| 01:42.17 | ^IcE-bOy^ | s/fin/find |
| 01:42.20 | nvz | ^IcE-bOy^: www.debian.org/devel |
| 01:42.24 | ^IcE-bOy^ | nvz, thanks |
| 01:42.42 | dumitru | hi! anyone who could tell me please where can I find configtest for apache on a Debian system (or apachectl to run it with -t option)? |
| 01:42.49 | mentor | tintin: type '/usr/X11R6/bin/startx' into your shell |
| 01:43.44 | Shundread | g4lt: I'm reading the infos you sent me through dpkg |
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| 01:44.20 | nvz | dumitru: /msg dpkg find |
| 01:44.46 | thomas_adam | ^IcE-bOy^: /msg dpkg leading punctuation . You look like a bat. |
| 01:45.11 | tintin | ya |
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| 01:45.42 | dumitru | nvz: hmm,"no help on find". |
| 01:45.59 | dondelelcaro | !newmaint |
| 01:46.00 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 01:46.03 | dondelelcaro | ^IcE-bOy^: ^^^ |
| 01:46.12 | nvz | !find apachectl |
| 01:46.18 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apachectl' (4 shown; 5 total): (/usr/sbin/apachectl) in web/apache ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.2.1/functions/Completion/Unix/_apachectl) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.2.1-dev-1/functions/Completion/Unix/_apachectl) in shells/zsh-beta ;; (/usr/share/doc/apache-doc/manual/programs/{apachectl.html|apachectl.html.en|apachectl.html.html|...}) in doc/apache-doc. |
| 01:46.22 | IcE-bOy | ;) |
| 01:46.22 | tintin | warning process set to nice value 0 |
| 01:46.39 | tintin | insted -10 as required |
| 01:46.41 | dumitru | nvz: many thanks! |
| 01:46.44 | nvz | dumitru: the find works perfectly |
| 01:47.00 | vmx | hi! i played around with ldap+pam, it didn't work. now i'd like to change back to normal authentification. i changend everything in /etc/pam.d back to "auth required pam_unix.so", but i can't login. what could i have missed to change? |
| 01:47.02 | dondelelcaro | random0ne: have you seen http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0112.2/1190.html; already and attached an strace process to rpc.statd? |
| 01:47.10 | mentor | tintin: So, startx worked? You have your $PATH set wrong. |
| 01:47.19 | nvz | dumitru: same thing apt-file, packages.debian.org would do |
| 01:47.30 | MrP | Anyone know why none of my audio programs can work? I added my user to the audio group, and it plays the jingle when I log in |
| 01:48.04 | nvz | !doesnt work |
| 01:48.10 | nvz | !doesn't work |
| 01:48.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 01:48.17 | tintin | i don't know why i change the Xwrapper for user only root can acces |
| 01:48.33 | dumitru | nvz: in the end I did it with apt-file search and I've got the same result as you here, thank you very much one more time! |
| 01:48.38 | tintin | wher can i change this path |
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| 01:48.54 | tty1 | hahahaha |
| 01:49.02 | g4lt | good god, can't you even listen to the bot? |
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| 01:49.32 | nvz | dumitru: yes you can use the bots here or packages.debian.org for that as well. The bots will use apt-file for you |
| 01:49.34 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: i saw the message. rpc runs as root on debian, so permissions are not an issue |
| 01:50.02 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: also, the problem, i think is on the client. there are 3, one is not working |
| 01:50.02 | mentor | tintin: Usually, it is set in your shell configuration. |
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| 01:50.37 | IcE-bOy | dondelelcaro, i'm reading debian-policy how to make debian packages, but i don't find how to run a bash script when .deb instalation finish |
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| 01:51.00 | Kbyte | IcE-bOy: postinst? |
| 01:51.19 | adhoc | IcE-bOy: look for a section on pre-install scripts and post-install scripts |
| 01:51.25 | vmx | if anyone cares, i found the problem (/etc/nsswitch.conf) |
| 01:51.31 | doublehp | IcE-bOy: look for the dogumentation of the postinst script |
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| 01:51.39 | tintin | and what i need to do i don't know anymore |
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| 01:52.09 | tintin | it's configured for anybody |
| 01:52.12 | scarynetworkguy | MrP: KDE? |
| 01:52.20 | doublehp | what is the command to limit the traffic of an application ? |
| 01:52.20 | systemadmin | anyoen knwo where to get fbconfig? |
| 01:52.42 | g4lt | !tell systemadmin about search |
| 01:52.43 | nvz | doublehp: traffic? you mean the priority? |
| 01:53.03 | doublehp | nvz: not the nice, but the network rate ... |
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| 01:53.29 | systemadmin | g4lt : humm maybe you should have asked if i did that first before coming here? or even if i googles it.. :) |
| 01:53.42 | nvz | doublehp: I wasnt aware such a thing existed |
| 01:53.56 | g4lt | systemadmin humm, maybe you should have, then you wouldn't need to ask |
| 01:53.58 | slisher | How do I go about setting up a usb printer?? |
| 01:54.07 | IcE-bOy | Kbyte, adhoc doublehp thanks, i'm going to look in this section :) |
| 01:54.09 | systemadmin | did i got nothing! lol |
| 01:54.17 | g4lt | systemadmin then STFW |
| 01:54.18 | nvz | slisher: what printer is it? |
| 01:54.20 | dondelelcaro | random0ne: well, where are you seeing the messages? paste some of them to #flood |
| 01:54.26 | systemadmin | STFW? |
| 01:54.32 | g4lt | !stfw |
| 01:54.32 | dpkg | it has been said that stfw is http://google.com/ http://google.com/linux, or search the fucking web AND read http://www.google.com/help/index.html AND go to http://groups.google.com/, or see http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif Google is your God: http://www.google.com/, or google.com, and groups.google.com, and tdlp.org. |
| 01:54.37 | tintin | mentor sorry it's my first time |
| 01:54.38 | slisher | nvz: HP photosmart 7760 |
| 01:54.57 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: i think i may be guilty of not reading google well enough after all. |
| 01:55.11 | tintin | weell nobody take any more idea |
| 01:55.14 | doublehp | nvz: it is to be used like watch or time : you add that cmd in front of an other, and you can limit the traffic if it calls the std libs ( usefull for emule or wget not to take 100% ) |
| 01:55.17 | mentor | tintin: Yes, but the rules are still in plain sight in the topic, and you were given notice by ChanServ on joining hte channel. |
| 01:55.35 | nvz | slisher: http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PhotoSmart_7660 |
| 01:55.38 | thomas_adam | tintin: echo $PATH (as a non-root user) |
| 01:55.41 | mentor | tintin: I'm still working on the 'startx' is not a recognised command problem. |
| 01:55.49 | tintin | i do has i can isn't my language |
| 01:55.53 | tintin | sorry |
| 01:56.09 | mentor | tintin: What is your langauge? |
| 01:56.15 | GomoX | mentor: apt-get install xbase-clients? |
| 01:56.24 | systemadmin | lol |
| 01:56.25 | tintin | french |
| 01:56.26 | systemadmin | nothing |
| 01:56.30 | mentor | !french |
| 01:56.30 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 01:56.32 | nvz | doublehp: yeah I know exactly what you mean, those searches of something popular could easily suck up some bandwidth |
| 01:56.33 | GomoX | tintin: essaie #debian-fr |
| 01:56.37 | mentor | GomoX: No, he can startx as root. |
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| 01:56.59 | tintin | yes i know but nobody can help me there for this one |
| 01:57.01 | GomoX | mentor: then dpkg-reconfigure something and set who is authorized to run the xserver |
| 01:57.13 | mentor | GomoX: He's done that. |
| 01:57.16 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: i tried nhfsstone and noticed that i lost connectivity, so i replaced my switch. i am still testing, but i have yet to experience freezes |
| 01:57.28 | thomas_adam | GomoX: Read your backscroll, ffs. |
| 01:57.29 | mentor | GomoX: It wouldn't give that error message if he hasn't anyway. |
| 01:57.51 | afcpack | in udev.permissions, is raw1394:root:root:0666 a valid entry? |
| 01:57.54 | tintin | i tryed on spanish to |
| 01:58.01 | tintin | but no |
| 01:58.04 | thomas_adam | His error is one of cluelessness anyway. |
| 01:58.15 | zignig | s/a kiss to// |
| 01:58.16 | thomas_adam | tintin: echo $PATH (as a non-root user) |
| 01:58.25 | thomas_adam | tintin: (I won't ask you a third time) |
| 01:58.35 | GomoX | zignig: you perv |
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| 01:58.49 | tintin | my problem isn't coming from the startx that's it? |
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| 01:59.06 | buht-pick | anyone use debians build of phpbb2? |
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| 01:59.18 | mentor | ~tell buht-pick about polls |
| 01:59.33 | buht-pick | heh |
| 01:59.36 | buht-pick | ok. |
| 01:59.51 | hacim | can anyone tell me how grub's fallback kernel works? I am wondering how grub determines that the kernel didn't work |
| 02:00.19 | buht-pick | can anyone help me with a small phpbb2 problem? Ive installed debians paakcge for phpbb2 however i was never prompted for a user account or setup to begin to configure it, is there a default user? ive tried their website |
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| 02:00.23 | g4lt | systemadmin on the contrary, google tessl you it's a Solaris util, not a linux one. next thing you're going to want is m64config FFS |
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| 02:00.37 | slisher | nvz: thanks |
| 02:00.51 | mentor | buht-pick: /usr/share/doc/phpbb? |
| 02:00.56 | Spongebob | anyone got any ideas when xfree86 4.4.0 is going to be released on testing? |
| 02:01.06 | brock | anyone using GNOME with Sarge? |
| 02:01.13 | afcpack | !anyone use |
| 02:01.13 | thomas_adam | !tell brock about polls |
| 02:01.14 | Spongebob | brock, yes |
| 02:01.15 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 02:01.24 | thomas_adam | Is it Sunday already? |
| 02:01.34 | skanda | so it isn.t |
| 02:01.37 | buht-pick | mentor k, thx. isnt there a way to view .gz files with out gunzippping them? like z-comething? |
| 02:01.47 | thomas_adam | buht-pick: z{cat,less} |
| 02:01.48 | skanda | any ,$ lovers in here? |
| 02:01.52 | sussudio | z-cometodaddy? |
| 02:01.53 | skanda | m$ |
| 02:02.02 | tintin | thomas i don't understand |
| 02:02.05 | deviousubb | I love money |
| 02:02.08 | afcpack | thomas_adam: it's not Sunday, but it's 5 o'clock somewhere :) |
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| 02:02.12 | tintin | could you explend |
| 02:02.14 | thomas_adam | tintin: Type: echo $PATH |
| 02:02.15 | brock | I am having trouble with GDM |
| 02:02.17 | tintin | devlop |
| 02:02.19 | skanda | you'll love http://bms.r0gue.net also ;) |
| 02:02.20 | Dossy | Is there an easy way to see how a Debian package will be built? |
| 02:02.22 | brock | to get the different themes working |
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| 02:02.25 | skanda | i did. |
| 02:02.27 | tintin | i did it |
| 02:02.29 | rich_ | buht-pick Theres a program called mc that lets you actually browse around inside a archive file |
| 02:02.31 | random0ne | dondelelcaro: thank you for your help. the switch looks to have been the problem |
| 02:02.34 | tintin | i have a list |
| 02:02.35 | thomas_adam | tintin: Pour le user pas le nom 'root'. D'accord? |
| 02:02.37 | buht-pick | k thx |
| 02:02.49 | sussudio | mentor, dondelelcaro: skanda spamma |
| 02:02.51 | random0ne | mwilson: thank you for putting up with me |
| 02:02.56 | tintin | well echo path user |
| 02:02.57 | sussudio | skanda: don't paste urls in here. |
| 02:02.59 | mentor | buht: NO, you have to unzip them...but you can do so into a temporary pipe rather than to a file. |
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| 02:03.08 | deviousubb | Dossy: you read the maint-guide already? |
| 02:03.10 | brock | can anyone help me out with GDM and themes? |
| 02:03.14 | Dossy | I guess I could apt-get source :) |
| 02:03.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:03.47 | Dossy | deviousubb: no ;- |
| 02:03.47 | thomas_adam | brock: #gnome on irc.gimp.net |
| 02:03.47 | Dossy | :-) |
| 02:03.47 | tintin | thomas je suis novice et j'apprend |
| 02:03.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c0ke.kaizo.org] by mentor |
| 02:03.47 | *** kick/#debian [skanda!~matthew@mentor.user] by mentor (mentor) |
| 02:03.47 | buht-pick | thomas_adam mentioned zcat and zless |
| 02:03.47 | deviousubb | .. |
| 02:03.47 | brock | thanks! |
| 02:03.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:03.47 | Dossy | deviousubb: thanks. |
| 02:03.49 | deviousubb | for what? |
| 02:04.00 | thomas_adam | brock: er, irc.gimp.org, even. |
| 02:04.07 | buht-pick | thx again guys! |
| 02:04.14 | brock | OK |
| 02:04.25 | brock | I thought this was really more related towards Debian but ... |
| 02:04.33 | sussudio | brock: did you know your nick means badger in gaelic/old english? |
| 02:04.38 | Spongebob | LOL |
| 02:04.44 | tintin | thomas does i need to change any liune |
| 02:04.45 | sussudio | i'm serious. |
| 02:04.46 | brock | sussudioL nope |
| 02:04.54 | IcE-bOy | Kbyte, adhoc doublehp i don't find postinst script section into debian policy manual :( |
| 02:04.55 | thomas_adam | tintin: Sorry? |
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| 02:05.08 | thomas_adam | IcE-bOy: Read it again. |
| 02:05.12 | tintin | does i have a problem in one file |
| 02:05.14 | thomas_adam | sussudio: hahahaha. |
| 02:05.18 | Spongebob | hehehe |
| 02:05.19 | tintin | a line to change |
| 02:05.26 | Kbyte | IcE-bOy: read the new maintainer guide |
| 02:05.26 | g4lt | sussudio actually, brock means more "small mammal" |
| 02:05.32 | thomas_adam | tintin: en francais. |
| 02:05.32 | rich_ | sussudio Cool. If his first names david, it might mean the same in english :) |
| 02:05.37 | sussudio | thomas_adam: the cheyenne indian translation kinda sucks |
| 02:05.44 | tintin | thomas wy my users can not find startx |
| 02:05.48 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Really? :) |
| 02:05.53 | sussudio | thomas_adam: it's really long |
| 02:06.06 | IcE-bOy | i was looking into debian policy guide, not into new mantainer guide |
| 02:06.11 | sussudio | g4lt: dict badger |
| 02:06.16 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Any chance you can publish them on-line, if you're so inclined? |
| 02:06.17 | tintin | bon bas voila pas moyen que mes user reconnaissent le startx alors que tous est bien installé |
| 02:06.26 | dan2 | !badger sussudio |
| 02:06.26 | sussudio | g4lt: dict brock, even. |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | !french |
| 02:06.27 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 02:06.27 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 02:06.36 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Let him off, I asked him to. |
| 02:06.39 | tintin | vive les bots |
| 02:06.43 | tintin | gnagna |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | thomas_adam: ok |
| 02:06.52 | brock | I just picked this name from the character Venom from Spiderman |
| 02:06.52 | g4lt | !factinfo cmd: badger (.*?) |
| 02:06.52 | abrotman | asked him to what? |
| 02:06.52 | dpkg | cmd: badger (.*?) -- last modified at Wed Jun 9 15:32:42 2004 by g4lt!galt@news.publicrelations.pdpc. |
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| 02:07.05 | dan2 | hmm, I am thirsty |
| 02:07.12 | abrotman | beer |
| 02:07.15 | sussudio | these pretzels are making me thirsty |
| 02:07.21 | Spongebob | hehe |
| 02:07.43 | thomas_adam | tintin: I suggest you /J #debian-fr. I cannot speak enough French to help you. Sorry. |
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| 02:07.54 | tintin | ok |
| 02:08.14 | nvz | if I had some pretzels I would not have had to make anything |
| 02:08.14 | tintin | but do you have dificulty to understend me? |
| 02:08.23 | g4lt | Spongebob never |
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| 02:08.32 | Spongebob | g4lt, :( |
| 02:08.35 | tintin | i did it ya |
| 02:08.38 | tintin | haaaaaaa |
| 02:08.42 | thomas_adam | tintin: What was it? |
| 02:08.51 | g4lt | Spongebob sarge is about to freeze, I think it's in version-freeze now |
| 02:08.52 | tintin | does i need reinstall all my system for yhay |
| 02:08.53 | tintin | *$ |
| 02:08.54 | tintin | ^:l$^ |
| 02:08.55 | tintin | $ù |
| 02:08.55 | tintin | ^ |
| 02:08.55 | tintin | * |
| 02:08.56 | tintin | µ |
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| 02:09.06 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:09.08 | thomas_adam | Strange creature. |
| 02:09.18 | g4lt | noted |
| 02:09.22 | nvz | hey frenchie! |
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| 02:09.22 | Spongebob | i was about to say strange man |
| 02:09.24 | thomas_adam | nvz: Stop that. |
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| 02:09.30 | hazard` | thomas_adam, i agree. i was getting frustrated for you just watching that |
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| 02:09.34 | dondelelcaro | nvz: freedom fry. |
| 02:09.41 | Spongebob | heya dondelelcaro |
| 02:09.43 | tintin | ok come bake for my salutation to thomas |
| 02:09.48 | tintin | for your help |
| 02:09.53 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I'm actually natural cut |
| 02:09.55 | thomas_adam | tintin: apt-cake ? :) |
| 02:09.55 | sussudio | i had crossaints earlier. |
| 02:09.58 | tintin | i will try find solution tomorrow |
| 02:10.04 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Avec Blaireau? |
| 02:10.05 | Spongebob | g4lt, what about under the testing distro? |
| 02:10.18 | sussudio | thomas_adam: dans le oven |
| 02:10.22 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 02:10.28 | tintin | i'm tired i tryed find a solution during 4 hours now and it's ok |
| 02:10.35 | g4lt | Spongebob it'll prolly get in when testing is etch |
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| 02:10.40 | thomas_adam | tintin: Bon Reve. |
| 02:10.46 | Spongebob | yeh fair enuf |
| 02:10.53 | tintin | apt_cake? |
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| 02:11.09 | thomas_adam | tintin: apt-cake, yes. :) |
| 02:11.10 | Spongebob | g4lt, you wouldnt happen to be running it would u? or see any benefits of running it? |
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| 02:11.17 | Zap-W | anyway to tell samba not to broadcast to the entire 192.168.0.255 subnet |
| 02:11.27 | thomas_adam | Zap-W: #samba |
| 02:11.35 | Zap-W | they are asleep |
| 02:11.36 | g4lt | Spongebob I am, in sid, and I can't see much difference, save more hardware support |
| 02:11.50 | thomas_adam | Zap-W: Then wait until they awake. |
| 02:11.50 | tintin | what's that |
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| 02:11.52 | nvz | Zap-W: thats what windows technology does to people |
| 02:11.56 | tintin | apt-cake |
| 02:12.00 | g4lt | Spongebob xrandr is new, but nothing uses it much yet |
| 02:12.09 | Spongebob | ahh k |
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| 02:12.19 | Zap-W | i am getting flooded with UDP packets |
| 02:12.20 | haraldo | Hi |
| 02:12.43 | haraldo | How to start GUI applications as root while being logged into X/kde as normal user? |
| 02:12.55 | nvz | haraldo: not a good idea |
| 02:12.57 | dondelelcaro | haraldo: with su, sudo, or sux; |
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| 02:13.08 | thomas_adam | tintin: plaisanterie |
| 02:13.08 | g4lt | !tell haraldo about runstuffasroot |
| 02:13.18 | nvz | haraldo: gksu or gnome sudo will do it, but its generally not a good thing |
| 02:13.28 | thomas_adam | hazard`: /msg dpkg runstuffasroot |
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| 02:13.40 | thomas_adam | My tab completion sucks today. |
| 02:13.42 | g4lt | thomas_adam too late ;P |
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| 02:13.58 | thomas_adam | g4lt: Story of my life. |
| 02:14.03 | nvz | thomas_adam: I think its your completor frenchie |
| 02:14.06 | haraldo | Thanks guys. |
| 02:14.46 | Spongebob | g4lt, i was looking at installing it before - as im having a heap of troubles w/ my video card - it wont play games like neverball or tuxracer properly (its a laptop w/ trident cyberblade xpai1) but it definately supports opengl, strange thing is when i run games like neverball it opens - runs like a can of chunky pasta sauce - and corrupts the screen so i am forced to do a ctrl+alt+bkspace |
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| 02:15.11 | thomas_adam | "runs like a can of chunky pasta sauce", eh? |
| 02:15.15 | g4lt | Spongebob what card? |
| 02:15.25 | Spongebob | trident Cyberblade XPai1 |
| 02:15.31 | Spongebob | thomas_adam, or so to speak, yes ;) |
| 02:15.35 | thomas_adam | Spongebob: What does glxgears tell you? |
| 02:15.37 | smaug9 | i'm trying to install the cisco vpn client, and it's asking me where the kernel headers are. where are they? |
| 02:15.38 | g4lt | cyberblades suck all round |
| 02:15.40 | nvz | could have been worse. |
| 02:15.55 | Spongebob | thomas_adam, dont think i have glxgears installed? |
| 02:15.58 | Spongebob | i shall look |
| 02:16.02 | g4lt | smaug9 did you install them? |
| 02:16.07 | brock | guys, can I ask a GDM question? I'm not getting anything from that other channel |
| 02:16.14 | nvz | smaug9: where ever you built your kernel or installed them to |
| 02:16.19 | smaug9 | g4lt: i'm not sure what to install |
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| 02:16.26 | smaug9 | it's a brand new install from the sarge |
| 02:16.30 | doublehp | nvz: can you read french ? |
| 02:16.35 | smaug9 | when i search packages.debian.org |
| 02:16.41 | Spongebob | glxgears runs fine |
| 02:16.41 | smaug9 | i only see kernel headers for 2.4 |
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| 02:16.46 | nvz | doublehp: maybe I dont know, why? |
| 02:16.48 | smaug9 | unless i'm missing something |
| 02:17.05 | doublehp | nvz: https://linuxfr.org/~lucas/10886.html |
| 02:17.06 | smaug9 | shoulda been from the sarge debian installer |
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| 02:17.20 | Spongebob | thomas_adam, want me to paste in flood? |
| 02:17.25 | thomas_adam | Spongebob: Can do. |
| 02:19.00 | user01 | anyone know what package is needed to have x-java-vm in mozilla? |
| 02:19.11 | omnivector | when i'm using postfix in gentoo, there's a package called cyrus-sasl for interfacing postfix with a mysql database (or does it handle TLS?) i'm not entirely sure. at any rate.. i don't see this anywhere in debian's packages. am i looking in the wrong place? |
| 02:19.15 | brock | jre? |
| 02:19.24 | brock | well, the plugin at least |
| 02:19.25 | user01 | taking a look |
| 02:19.29 | brock | no> |
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| 02:19.31 | brock | no? |
| 02:19.36 | g4lt | user01 kaffe |
| 02:19.41 | xixor | hey everyone. If I recompile a kernel, will I need to re-install hostapp for wireless internet or anything? |
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| 02:20.19 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.23 | nvz | doublehp: I see |
| 02:20.30 | mrwill | omnivector: it's in there. |
| 02:20.30 | Spongebob | see that thomas_adam / g4lt ? |
| 02:20.38 | mrwill | omnivector: I use it myself. |
| 02:20.42 | smaug9 | should i install the source, also? |
| 02:20.45 | thomas_adam | Spongebob: Yes. |
| 02:20.51 | smaug9 | or do i only need the headers? |
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| 02:21.00 | nvz | doublehp: language is virtually irrelevant to weather or not I will understand something |
| 02:21.05 | user01 | ty |
| 02:21.14 | omnivector | mrwill: do you have these files in your system? /usr/lib/sasl2/smtpd.conf and /etc/sasl2/smtpd.conf because i don't |
| 02:21.28 | doublehp | nvz: there are vry good explanations ; if you dont get french, hry google translation |
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| 02:21.35 | nvz | doublehp: I can identify and parse many many languages spoken and programmed, even though I dont fully understand them |
| 02:21.41 | mrwill | omnivector: did you install postfix-tls? |
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| 02:21.47 | omnivector | mrwill: yep |
| 02:21.59 | Zap-W | i am Xless |
| 02:22.06 | doublehp | nvz: it says : it werks in userspace, exept with staticly linked apps |
| 02:22.12 | xixor | hey eveyrone, anyone heard any problems with the 2.6.8.1 kernel? |
| 02:22.22 | mrwill | omnivector: before I dig around for files, did you look for sasl packages -- like, 'apt-cache search sasl' |
| 02:22.36 | nvz | doublehp: says something about 'I found out a long time ago on _some_irc_server_, about a program called trickle, that works to limit the connection speed to a particular app |
| 02:22.41 | omnivector | mrwill: i'm getting this error in my log: Sep 27 21:47:28 pony postfix/smtpd[1845]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
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| 02:23.06 | nvz | doublehp: closed it already, but like I said, I can understand something that makes sence to me no matter how its encoded |
| 02:23.06 | omnivector | mrwill: yep i searched for sasl. i installed libsasl2 but that didn't seem to help |
| 02:23.09 | omnivector | fyi i'm migrating a gentoo server to debian |
| 02:23.10 | mrwill | omnivector: what documentation are you reading on how to do this? |
| 02:23.22 | nvz | doublehp: if I dont understand it, doesnt matter how you write it |
| 02:23.51 | rich_ | xixor Sometimes it needs careful configuration to find the driver for peoples ide controler |
| 02:23.52 | omnivector | well, i'm using the gentoo virtual mail howto as that's how i setup the mail server in gentoo. i haven't found something similar for debian. i do have courier-imap with my mysql db working however |
| 02:24.16 | mrwill | omnivector: there is some good documentation on this at kirb.insanegenius.net or some similar url. |
| 02:24.53 | mrwill | omnivector: not the migration, but setting up the mail system. |
| 02:25.18 | SNIa | nvz: Ottawa? |
| 02:25.19 | omnivector | yeah.. it really just seems like the only piece of the puzzle is i'm missing the equivalent of cyrus-sasl |
| 02:25.23 | Sandman | For a debian package to move to Testing, it must be compatible with ~11 archs, correct? For it to be introduced into unstable, there are no such requirements. |
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| 02:25.42 | g4lt | Sandman to be introduced in unstable, it has to exist |
| 02:25.42 | sussudio | mama fume le pipe de papa |
| 02:25.55 | xixor | rich_: hm.. is that a 2.6.8.1 specific problem? Or is a 2.6.? problem? |
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| 02:26.09 | Sandman | g4lt: For it to be moved to testing, it must be compatible, no? |
| 02:26.12 | SNIa | sussudio mom smokes dads pipe? |
| 02:26.14 | Sandman | g4lt: No bugs across all architectures? |
| 02:26.17 | mrwill | omnivector: I'm using PAM with sasl. |
| 02:26.42 | omnivector | mrwill: hmm. think you can help me setup pam_mysql+sasl+postfix in a priv chat really quick? |
| 02:26.45 | g4lt | Sandman actually, it just has to bug-free in all arches it builds for, which could be less than 11. palo, for example |
| 02:27.01 | mrwill | omnivector: well, no. |
| 02:27.30 | rich_ | xixor I dont know. One day I lost my old config and it took me like a week to get another one configured. With me it was 2.6.8.1 , and Ive seen quite a few other people complain about it saying root device not found |
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| 02:27.53 | nvz | SNIa: ce qui? |
| 02:28.04 | xixor | rich_: hm.. ok, maybe i'll make a bootdisk before installing the new kernel then. I am just worried mainly about hostapp not working so I can't get on the web |
| 02:28.14 | SNIa | nvz you live in Ottawa? |
| 02:28.18 | Hackel | Just curious, anyone know what's holding up Firefox 1.0pr in sid? |
| 02:28.30 | nvz | SNIa: close, Lake Dallas, Tx.. heh |
| 02:28.31 | sussudio | Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 171 |
| 02:28.37 | SNIa | hehehe... |
| 02:28.45 | kingsley | My ISP stopped providing usenet service. Does a good free alternative exist? |
| 02:29.00 | SNIa | neato evolution 2 is out |
| 02:29.03 | g4lt | kingsley sort of. google. |
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| 02:29.08 | Hackel | kingsley: not that I've found...but man, I hate to say the cliched answer, but your ISP sucks. You should find another. |
| 02:29.08 | rich_ | kingsley google for them. Seems to me theres a lot |
| 02:29.10 | Sandman | g4lt: _totally_ bugfree? |
| 02:29.17 | Sandman | g4lt: Or just major bugs. |
| 02:29.21 | g4lt | Sandman no RC bugs |
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| 02:29.47 | Sandman | g4lt: Release Critical. RC being something that just crashes the program instantly? |
| 02:29.48 | rich_ | kingsley Not all carry all groups though. So if you use free ones its ussually best to use more than one |
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| 02:30.28 | doublehp | using IPTABLE, is it possible to limit the bandwidth crossing a router for the traffic to a particular IP ? |
| 02:30.44 | g4lt | Sandman at this point, Id suggest you sit down with the packaging manual, since you're asking questions entirely too deep for Debian users |
| 02:31.18 | kingsley | rich_: There's at least one site which publishes details of free usenet feeds, but I've also read that free usenet feeds tend to have low quality. Do you happen to know a way to use more than one? |
| 02:31.31 | Sandman | g4lt: Okay |
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| 02:31.54 | kingsley | Hackel: If my email address and web site were portable, I might consider switching. |
| 02:32.02 | pauliukas | What's the best FTP server out there for debian? |
| 02:32.02 | Kbyte | doublehp: you could use the qos classes for this |
| 02:32.28 | xixor | paulinukas : thats a pretty general question. I like proftpd |
| 02:32.31 | doublehp | Kbyte: which cmd/man page shall I go for ? |
| 02:32.36 | mrwill | pauliukas: dunno, I use proftpd too, though. |
| 02:32.39 | Hackel | kingsley: yeah, that sucks. One of the advantages of getting your own domain. :) |
| 02:32.45 | rich_ | kingsley Yes. You can run a usenet caching program like nntpcache. As I remember theres two or three in debian but thats the only one I remember. Its like a mini news server that collects news from different sites and lets you read them all as if it was one server |
| 02:32.54 | pauliukas | ok thanks guys |
| 02:32.58 | rich_ | well it is one server, but it collects news from many servers |
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| 02:33.26 | xshad | hi |
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| 02:34.16 | g4lt | kingsley It can, IIRC |
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| 02:34.21 | rich_ | kingsley Yes leafnode. I think it can |
| 02:34.28 | xshad | I have an athlon xp and get an athlon 64, which distros I need? |
| 02:34.50 | mrwill | xshad: you could use i386 |
| 02:34.53 | guestish | xshad: #debian-amd64 |
| 02:34.55 | xshad | for both? |
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| 02:35.19 | g4lt | xshad no, really, #debian-amd64 |
| 02:35.30 | xshad | tkz |
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| 02:36.34 | bhartshorn | anybody have any recomendations for an ftp server for debian, i've only used vsftpd before. |
| 02:36.43 | rich_ | kingsley try googleing for free nntp servers. I actually use www.37.com (its a search engine) but that search turned up a lot |
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| 02:37.08 | guestish | rich_: nntp, that like rss feeds? |
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| 02:37.35 | guestish | er, similar to? |
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| 02:37.38 | guestish | heh... |
| 02:37.42 | guestish | im guessing not.. |
| 02:37.56 | g4lt | guestish you've never heard of usenet?!?! |
| 02:37.58 | rich_ | guestish As far as I know thats the protocal news servers use. Ive heard of rss but dont know what it is excactly. I think its for text streams |
| 02:37.59 | guestish | sure i have |
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| 02:38.13 | guestish | rich_: oh, ok |
| 02:38.13 | g4lt | guestish usenet transport protocol == nntp |
| 02:38.24 | guestish | g4lt: as in newsgroups? |
| 02:38.27 | Darksmurf | hey guys/gals..I'm trying to get my sound to sound right. I've decided I need to try to recompile my kernel...should I just grab the source from kernel.org? |
| 02:38.30 | g4lt | guestish yep |
| 02:38.32 | afcpack | kingsley: would this help: http://www.nyx.net/~bkraft/ |
| 02:38.45 | kingsley | rich_: I've found sites that report free usenet feeds, but I suspect they're unreliable and constantly changing, therefore I'm contemplating writing a script than periodically queries them and updates leafnode's configuration. |
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| 02:38.46 | jorgp_ | heh, RC bugs in sarge just go up and down, does not seem to be making any headway |
| 02:38.48 | peterS | I thought the usenet transport protocol == scraping groups.google.com ? |
| 02:39.17 | g4lt | peterS you know, I could kill you for that in many states... |
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| 02:39.30 | peterS | g4lt: fortunately you're in a sober state right now, so you won't, right? |
| 02:39.44 | rich_ | kingsley I think other people have done that, then they put them on web pages. But you can quickly add 5 or 6. Thats more than you need |
| 02:39.54 | kingsley | afcpack: That URL returned "file not found". |
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| 02:40.15 | rich_ | kingsley but the free ones specialise, so you might need one for linux, and another one for porn |
| 02:40.19 | guestish | ah, cool |
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| 02:40.26 | rich_ | because they carry different groups |
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| 02:41.05 | peterS | g4lt: did usenet exist before google invented groups.google.com? |
| 02:41.12 | afcpack | kingsley: hmm... odd that... it should be a rather reliable list of free nntp servers... most of them specialized |
| 02:41.25 | nvz | Darksmurf: if you want, apt-get install build-essential kernel-package libncurses5-dev fakeroot wget, then wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.27.tar.gz |
| 02:41.31 | rich_ | Usenet existed before google. It existed before the www |
| 02:41.42 | mrwill | and now it is no more. |
| 02:41.44 | peterS | rich_: yeah yeah. leave me alone, I'm trolling g4lt |
| 02:41.45 | mrwill | right? |
| 02:41.53 | rich_ | :) |
| 02:42.03 | sussudio | peterS: \ / \ / lol |
| 02:42.08 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.18 | Sandman | Okay, so it's been established that MPlayer cannot be in contrib, obviously not main, and apparently not non-free either, all of which I now understand. But what about the Non-US servers? Can't it be stored there? |
| 02:42.18 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.20 | peterS | doh |
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| 02:42.28 | sussudio | Sandman: you bastard |
| 02:42.35 | Stormfrog | What is the Gnome GUI program called that lets you configure debian? |
| 02:42.48 | peterS | nvz: specific conditions. (a) monospace font, (b) nicks are left-aligned, text isn't |
| 02:42.49 | Sandman | sussudio: ? |
| 02:42.53 | numist | first jpeg virus posted to usenet |
| 02:42.54 | Darksmurf | nvz Is it advisable to upgrade to 2.6.8? |
| 02:42.58 | sussudio | Sandman: you interrupted a lolling |
| 02:42.59 | Stormfrog | Ive been searching in aptitude but I cant find it anywhere |
| 02:43.00 | g4lt | Sandman non-US barely has reason to exist as is, but will never exist for patent issues |
| 02:43.12 | Sandman | sussudio: lol |
| 02:43.14 | MobyTurbo | Stormfrog: xterm |
| 02:43.16 | peterS | nvz: the text-is-left-aligned family of configs won't work for that, no |
| 02:43.20 | nvz | Darksmurf: no, 2.6.8.1 is current, in that tree. but it has known issues with certain things |
| 02:43.32 | Darksmurf | nvz, thanks! |
| 02:43.41 | g4lt | kinda looked like a lolroll |
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| 02:43.56 | Stormfrog | MobyTurbo: huh? what good would xterm do me? :P |
| 02:44.14 | Sandman | g4lt: I just think it's really unfortunate. Debian cares, I respect that. I just think it's unfair that people outside of Debian hold it against Debian that it doesn't carry MPlayer anymore, saying Debian is crap because its legal team takes personal issues into consideration when throwing out packages |
| 02:44.20 | nvz | Darksmurf: but just untar, and build with kernel-package and fakeroot, thats the debian way (tm) |
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| 02:44.33 | xixor | Hey everyone, quick question. About 6 months ago I installed a kernel I compiled from a .deb. I have several revisions, and I am not sure which one is currently installed. Is there a way of seeing which revision, or which .deb file I installed my current kernel from? |
| 02:44.33 | darkl0tus | does anyone know of how to make all of my windows semi transparent? |
| 02:44.36 | Sandman | g4lt: And it upsets me because I'm really quite fond of Debian and would like to see it grow. |
| 02:44.48 | g4lt | Sandman IIRC, I was the first one to point out that decss was a legal landmine |
| 02:44.57 | hacim | xixor: you can't tell by looking at uname -a? |
| 02:45.00 | tcsetattr | if Debian distributes a usable MPlayer, it will be sued by Micros~1 |
| 02:45.02 | Sandman | g4lt: url? |
| 02:45.03 | peterS | Sandman: personal issues? there were allegations, some of them even true, that mplayer included some copyright violations in it |
| 02:45.04 | tcsetattr | how does that help anyone? |
| 02:45.08 | mrwill | xixor: well, you can figure out what kernel version you are running with uname |
| 02:45.09 | g4lt | and I really don't care much at all about mplayer, good or bad |
| 02:45.18 | nvz | darkl0tus: yeah use macos or x.org or something debian doesnt do that yet that I know of |
| 02:45.18 | Darksmurf | nvz, I don't suppose I could bother you to ask WHAT problems? RE: kernel-package and fakeroot: I've never used these before, where can I go to figure out what/how they work? |
| 02:45.35 | Sandman | tcsetattr: m$ sent a letter to Debian? |
| 02:45.45 | Stormfrog | MobyTurbo: Ive installed debian previously and then I had an icon named Debian Configuration or something in my Gnome menu... it was some kind of Debian Controlpanel I think, but now I cant find it >P |
| 02:45.55 | Sandman | Mandrake, SuSE, Gentoo, all these other distrobutions, too, carry MPlayer. Won't they get nailed? |
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| 02:45.59 | darkl0tus | nvz: thanks! |
| 02:45.59 | peterS | Sandman: if Debian started violating their copyrights, I imagine they would |
| 02:46.02 | Sandman | distribution, rather. |
| 02:46.03 | g4lt | Sandman shit, it was during the 2600 case, I twitted one of the people on wendy setzer's list about it |
| 02:46.06 | xixor | mrwill: yeah, I can see I am running 2.6.0-test11, but not sure which package it came from.. I have several .debs I have compiled in various states of dissaray :) |
| 02:46.20 | peterS | Sandman: those other distros do *not* carry mplayer. most of them don't. the ones that do do not include the codecs you actually care about. |
| 02:46.31 | hacim | g4lt: thats seltzer |
| 02:46.34 | Sandman | g4lt: "twitted"? |
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| 02:46.40 | useruser | xixor: does apt-cache policy help? not sure if it will for a deb not in a repository |
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| 02:46.45 | g4lt | Sandman look in hte debian-legal archives about the time of dvdcca vs corley |
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| 02:46.51 | Sandman | peterS: Gentoo certainly does. And the comments I've been receiving about the issue has been mainly coming from Gentoobies |
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| 02:46.55 | rich_ | Windows users often make the mistake of thinking debian, and linux is some kind of new fangled thing that needs to grow and convert windows users to survive. Its not, its the most popular form of unix which has always been the industrial and academic standard. It exists apart from windows and is in no danger of competition from windows. What you see here is just a tiny, tip of that iceburg. |
| 02:46.58 | nvz | Darksmurf: kernel-package builds your kernel into a debian package syntax is basically "make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image" to do a fakeroot compile of a kernel with menuconfig, but kernel image can do all phases of patching configuring and compiling, and even packaging the kernel from one command line, install it and read the manpage 'man make-kpkg' |
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| 02:47.11 | g4lt | hacim could be. I only met her once, and that was this year |
| 02:47.18 | peterS | Sandman: they're putting themselves at legal risk, then. something they might get away with. but regardless, not something the Debian Project can afford |
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| 02:47.22 | nvz | Darksmurf: thats --rootcmd=fakeroot actually |
| 02:47.23 | numist | rargh, Im done now |
| 02:47.28 | hacim | g4lt: yeah, I know her, I am quite sure its seltzer |
| 02:47.32 | peterS | Sandman: copyright violation is one thing Debian is *not* about |
| 02:47.33 | Sandman | peterS: Aye. |
| 02:47.35 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 02:47.35 | useruser | rich_: you should teach dpkg that one |
| 02:47.36 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 02:47.38 | Sandman | peterS: Aye, aye. |
| 02:47.40 | g4lt | hacim you were at defcon? |
| 02:47.46 | hacim | g4lt: nope |
| 02:47.48 | dondelelcaro | Darksmurf: see above. |
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| 02:48.08 | Fpanel | a quick question for people which stay in this channel 24/7. how much bw does staying in this channel for 1 day take? |
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| 02:48.11 | hacim | oy, and make-kpkg is supposed to be simple, heh |
| 02:48.18 | hacim | Fpanel: hardly anything |
| 02:48.24 | dondelelcaro | Fpanel: probably 1-2M... |
| 02:48.30 | rich_ | useruser Thanks. You can steal it if you want to, but I probably heard it from someone else |
| 02:48.34 | Fpanel | ok |
| 02:48.42 | g4lt | Fpanel IRC is doable over a 9600 BPS connection |
| 02:48.44 | mrwill | xixor: I see... maybe you could extract individual files like vmlinuz files and md5 them or something and compare against the file in your /boot |
| 02:48.52 | hacim | dondelelcaro: think its that much? it can't be more than 3-4ksec at peak? |
| 02:48.59 | Stormfrog | Fpanel: bw? |
| 02:49.06 | nvz | hacim: could use it to make a kernel compiling frontend pretty easily I would think, but who would do such a thing. Kernel compiling isnt suppose to be easy enough for cluebies |
| 02:49.13 | dondelelcaro | hacim: my #debian logs go from 900k->1.8M |
| 02:49.17 | mrwill | Stormfrog: bog weapons. |
| 02:49.17 | Fpanel | bw = bandwidth |
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| 02:49.35 | sussudio | hell, the tty's are only 38400. |
| 02:49.48 | hacim | dondelelcaro: makes sense |
| 02:49.53 | g4lt | dondelelcaro yesterday, I was on #debian pretty well on a palmpilot at 19.6 kbps for a couple hours |
| 02:50.13 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: yeah... I'd suspect you could do it on 2400 baud... |
| 02:50.16 | Stormfrog | mrwill: that really doesnt tell me much more... =) |
| 02:50.35 | g4lt | dondelelcaro yeah, I HAVE done IRC at 2400 baud ;) |
| 02:50.57 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: yeah, waiting for the screen to update sucks. |
| 02:50.57 | hacim | mm, tradewars |
| 02:51.10 | Stormfrog | Debian Control Panel in Gnome, rings a bell anyone? (what package?) |
| 02:51.17 | mrwill | sussudio: bet you lost a lot of combat to faster modem users if they existed at the time. |
| 02:51.29 | nvz | Stormfrog: you mean gnome-control-center? |
| 02:51.29 | g4lt | mrwill TW was turn-based |
| 02:51.39 | nvz | Stormfrog: I dont think thats really even used anymore |
| 02:51.43 | sussudio | mrwill: one user at a time |
| 02:51.44 | mrwill | g4lt: not real-time? whoa, I am a youngun. |
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| 02:51.49 | nvz | Stormfrog: nautilus seems to cover all that |
| 02:51.56 | Darksmurf | dondelelcaro, nvz thanks |
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| 02:52.15 | g4lt | even TW2002 is turn-based |
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| 02:52.35 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: yeah... someone needs to make EV massively multiplayer though... |
| 02:52.35 | mrwill | g4lt: huh, didn't remember that. |
| 02:52.37 | rich_ | I remember I used to have a friend who I played bsd startrek with. Its a text game. And one day his older sister saw us playing, she was a secretary and I mentioned that its a lot faster when we traveled to the computer cluster, instead of useing a 300 baud modem. And she said it looked like it was faster than she could type. |
| 02:52.38 | Stormfrog | nvz: so, there is nothing like a debian control panel with a gui in gnome? I am just asking since I think I have seen it, but I am not completely sure. |
| 02:53.01 | rich_ | As if that was impressive |
| 02:53.09 | nvz | Stormfrog: I dont know wtf you mean by debian control panel, I wasnt aware there was a "debian control panel" |
| 02:53.18 | nvz | Stormfrog: I cant even imagine what one would do |
| 02:53.25 | tcsetattr | the terminal is fast enough if it's faster than you can type _and_ faster than you can read |
| 02:53.45 | deb-nube | :-( ... I fear my problem with DHCP was not the servers fault (even if it was windows) |
| 02:53.48 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: it has to be faster than the keyrepeat rate I use. |
| 02:53.56 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: and the delay needs to be below about 100ms |
| 02:54.12 | Stormfrog | nvz: I guess that is probably as good an answer I will get on that... thanks :) |
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| 02:54.26 | deb-nube | apparently wifi and wired ethernet can't coexist ? --> http://web.mit.edu/release/www/ibm-laptop-lore.html |
| 02:54.32 | st3v3 | test? |
| 02:54.46 | dondelelcaro | deb-nube: uh, that's totally not true. Although, it may be possible for an ibm laptop. |
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| 02:55.02 | hacim | anyone gotten an ipmi 2.0 card to work? on boot I see: ipmi_si: Unable to find any System Interface(s) |
| 02:55.09 | nvz | Stormfrog: maybe you could be more specific about what you need, I used gnome a good bit and am pretty familiar with its tools, I know nothing of a control panel |
| 02:55.22 | useruser | Stormfrog: maybe you want webmin or something |
| 02:55.33 | dondelelcaro | deb-nube: yeah, that howto looks a bit suspicious. |
| 02:55.37 | st3v3 | can someone help me outl... i installed opera on my knoppix box and im looking for it to launch it |
| 02:55.53 | nvz | useruser: maybe you want to smite yourself with badgers for saying that |
| 02:55.54 | deb-nube | :-| |
| 02:55.59 | useruser | nvz: done |
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| 02:56.06 | deb-nube | so I don't need to reboot I hope |
| 02:56.12 | jetscreamer | st3v3 i couldn't help but notice you didn't ask your question in #knoppix |
| 02:56.19 | g4lt | !reboot |
| 02:56.19 | dpkg | Unlike many proprietary operating systems, GNU/Linux almost never requires a reboot to change something. Most changes take effect immediately; occasionally, you may need to log out and log back in, or restart a particular service. However, unless you are changing kernels or hardware, you should not need to reboot. |
| 02:56.34 | deb-nube | I have a similar laptpop which is not creating this problem |
| 02:56.37 | deb-nube | err |
| 02:56.43 | st3v3 | jetscreamer.... im new to all of this irc chat |
| 02:56.47 | deb-nube | I have a similar laptpop which does not have this problem |
| 02:57.14 | jetscreamer | st3v3, try /join #knoppix |
| 02:57.20 | mrwill | st3v3: well, you have made a minor mistake. you are in channel #debian, which is for debian, and you want to know about knoppix. |
| 02:57.27 | jetscreamer | !tell st3v3 about knoppix |
| 02:57.32 | deb-nube | I have eth1 and eth0 of course |
| 02:57.35 | helloyo | i can't seem to change my grub image, could somebody please help? |
| 02:57.39 | Stormfrog | useruser: that looks like a really neat idea... I am thinking about setting it up on my server |
| 02:58.03 | g4lt | mrwill actually, knoppix IRC clients autojoin #debian, because they don't want to be bothered with their own n00bs |
| 02:58.07 | useruser | Stormfrog: well i can't vouch for its usefulness, having installed and never really used it a long time ago |
| 02:58.14 | nvz | Stormfrog: there is also usermin, but they both suck ass |
| 02:58.27 | nvz | Stormfrog: its not the most secure thing in the world |
| 02:58.50 | Stormfrog | thats probably true... |
| 02:58.55 | mrwill | g4lt: yeah, I know, but nothing I can do about that. |
| 02:59.36 | mrwill | g4lt: this guy was well mannered and polite, after all. |
| 02:59.51 | Stormfrog | argh... I get the wrong keyboard layout when I start x :/ |
| 03:00.06 | mrwill | Stormfrog: setxkbmap layout |
| 03:00.08 | nvz | Stormfrog: last I checked webmin seemed to have more plugins, usermin appeared to be a newer, possibly rewrite, with a more organized look, and seemed to be more geared toward debian specifically |
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| 03:01.25 | Stormfrog | nvz: its a cool idea... and very simple to just fire up a browser and tweak your system |
| 03:01.50 | nvz | Stormfrog: just as simple and alot more secure to do it one of a millon other ways |
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| 03:02.27 | bjron | I've got a new install of sarge, running the 2.6.8 kernel, and a soundblaster live card. I can't get my sound working though. Can anyone help? |
| 03:02.45 | nvz | Stormfrog: in case you havent noticed the /etc part of the VFS is your control panel, and ssh is a reliable secure means of remote management |
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| 03:02.54 | mrwill | bjron: probably. |
| 03:03.02 | deb-nube | dondelelcaro, sound won't work either |
| 03:03.09 | mrwill | bjron: seriously, what have you tried? where did you get stuck? |
| 03:03.20 | dondelelcaro | !when will sarge release is <reply> Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when testing-security is online. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040922.235108.ffbd1f8f.en.html for current info. Ask me about sarge-pool, wir, siyh. |
| 03:03.20 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 03:03.46 | bjron | I'm trying to use alsa right now, but not set on that |
| 03:03.50 | dondelelcaro | deb-nube: have you loaded the appropriate module? |
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| 03:04.05 | BucDesktop | hola! ALL ! |
| 03:04.12 | bjron | already read what dpkg has to say about alsa 2.6 |
| 03:04.14 | dondelelcaro | deb-nube: if you install discover and hotplug, and are using a debian kernel, this should happen automagically. |
| 03:04.19 | bjron | and that link |
| 03:04.21 | beata | Hrm. Does anyone have reccomendation for what to replace Pixie Plus? |
| 03:04.31 | dondelelcaro | bjron: have you followed the instructions in /msg dpkg audio yet? |
| 03:04.32 | BucDesktop | quick question. i did a netinst for sarge and the computer i did it on does not have an internet connection now |
| 03:04.45 | BucDesktop | how can i do apt-get to install packages now :( |
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| 03:04.51 | mrwill | beata: what the heck is a Pixie Plus? |
| 03:04.53 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: use apt-move or similar. |
| 03:04.55 | nvz | beata: pixie delux? pixie dust? what the hell is Pixie Plus? |
| 03:04.59 | bjron | dondelelcaro: yes |
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| 03:05.11 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, what is apt-move? and how will i get them if i have no internet connection? |
| 03:05.13 | mrwill | bjron: are you getting any erors? |
| 03:05.14 | dondelelcaro | bjron: and then checked dmesg to make sure that the audio driver actually loaded? |
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| 03:05.17 | dondelelcaro | !apt-move |
| 03:05.18 | dpkg | somebody said apt-move was THE (wrong) WAY to keep a set of debian machines running the same distribution up to date, since you only have to download the software once, and then put it on e.g. an ftp server. this is the wrong way to do this, see apt-proxy |
| 03:05.23 | bjron | it doesn't seem to be a mixer/mute problem |
| 03:05.34 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, can i d/l all of the uptodate packages for sarge onto a cd-r or dvd-r and apt-get them that way? |
| 03:05.39 | mrwill | bjron: ok, and the modules are loaded? |
| 03:05.41 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: yes, that's what apt-move does. |
| 03:05.49 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: rrr. not apt-move. apt-zip. |
| 03:05.55 | bjron | don_inlab, mrwill: yes modules are loaded |
| 03:06.02 | dondelelcaro | too many freaking apt-* programs. |
| 03:06.04 | kingsley | Does a utility exist which can convert an XML file into a traditional record oriented text file that's grep -able? |
| 03:06.04 | BucDesktop | !apt-zip |
| 03:06.04 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
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| 03:06.33 | dondelelcaro | bjron: ok, and what happens when you cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp0 |
| 03:06.39 | nvz | dondelelcaro: whats apt-proxy? I was just about to start running an apt-cacher here. is that the same thing or is that something else? |
| 03:06.47 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, where can i d/l the latest packages for sarge? |
| 03:06.57 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: from your local debian mirror. |
| 03:06.57 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, i want to d/l them all and burn them to a dvd |
| 03:07.10 | bjron | dondelelcaro: silence |
| 03:07.14 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: there are unofficial jigdo dvd images that you can get and burn. |
| 03:07.16 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, then i can go apt-zip /mnt/cdrom ? |
| 03:07.18 | dondelelcaro | bjron: but no error messages? |
| 03:07.23 | bjron | no |
| 03:07.29 | asittler_ | Damnit, I can't upgrade tonight. |
| 03:07.35 | dondelelcaro | bjron: ok, then sound is most likely working, but you don't have the volume up. |
| 03:07.37 | Stormfrog | nvz: I agree... but sometimes I just feel more secure with a graphical representation of what I am doing :) |
| 03:07.38 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, does jigdo=latest packages? |
| 03:07.48 | dondelelcaro | bjron: run alsamixer, and make sure all of the volumes are up. |
| 03:08.05 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: pretty much, yes. |
| 03:08.06 | nvz | Stormfrog: there are still better ways than webmin |
| 03:08.10 | deb-nube | dondelelcaro, it should |
| 03:08.17 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, k. going to debian.org now |
| 03:08.20 | deb-nube | "discover" is installed |
| 03:08.38 | bjron | dondelelcaro: doesn't help |
| 03:08.40 | nvz | Stormfrog: what kind of tasks are you doing? |
| 03:08.49 | dondelelcaro | bjron: so all of the volumes are up in alsa mixer? |
| 03:08.55 | dondelelcaro | bjron: do you have multiple soundcards? |
| 03:09.10 | bjron | yes, may be the problem. |
| 03:09.28 | bjron | dondelelcaro: sorry I forgot to mention that before |
| 03:09.51 | dondelelcaro | bjron: try plugging something into both of them then... odds are the onboard one is setup first, and the other is dsp1 or something. |
| 03:10.00 | dondelelcaro | bjron: try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1 or similar |
| 03:10.52 | bjron | dondelelcaro: dsp1 and 0 -> silence, 2 and 3 -> No such device |
| 03:11.09 | Darksmurf | nvz, let me make sure I understand everything I was told: After "apt-get install build-essential kernel-package libncurses5-dev fakeroot wget" I need to download the source from kernel.org (via the URL you gave me). Then I need to extract the .gz. After CDing into that directory I need to **"make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot kernel_image --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image"** |
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| 03:11.33 | dondelelcaro | bjron: ok, now run alsamixer -c 1; and bring up all the levels and try the above again. |
| 03:11.40 | Darksmurf | nvz That will allow me to config my kernel, it'll compile the kernel, modules and install it? |
| 03:11.44 | bjron | dondelelcaro: ok, so I plugged the speakers into the onboard |
| 03:11.53 | bjron | and that's dsp0 |
| 03:11.55 | nvz | Darksmurf: that works fine, dondelelcaro recited the mantra for you, which adds in some neat things like the date stamp on the image name |
| 03:12.38 | nvz | Darksmurf: what that does is compiles menuconfig so you can configure it, then when you exit there, it compiles kerenel and modules, and builds a .deb package that you install with dpkg |
| 03:12.42 | dondelelcaro | bjron: yeah, the other is dsp1 most likely, and you'll need to use alsamixer -c 1; to munge it. |
| 03:12.48 | Darksmurf | nvz The main diff I saw between ur command and his (other than what you mentioned) was that he didn't have a menuconfig option, can I just add that to his and get the date stamp featrues? |
| 03:12.48 | bjron | ah |
| 03:12.51 | bjron | yes I see |
| 03:12.59 | nvz | Darksmurf: you run this as user, not root |
| 03:13.21 | xerophyte | where can i learn to set my server time properlly i have problems ..local time server time .. all screwed up .. i mean have server local time is good but my logroate is rotating in future time |
| 03:13.27 | Darksmurf | nvz, ahh, thats nice. Then I can only use root to dpkg -i, nice! |
| 03:13.29 | bjron | dondelelcaro: any way I can get rid of my other card (it won't physically come out of course) |
| 03:13.39 | nvz | Darksmurf: sure you can read the manpage too anytime like I said. it can add patches and all sorts of stuff if you ever need to do that |
| 03:13.48 | dondelelcaro | bjron: don't bother about it... |
| 03:14.25 | dondelelcaro | bjron: you can change the alsa default. I personally have two cards here [onboard PoS, and then a sound blaster less of a PoS] |
| 03:14.25 | nvz | Darksmurf: yes. you should always avoid using root for everything especially compiling things. |
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| 03:14.33 | Darksmurf | nvz, I'll look at that. I seem to remember something about a patch that improves multimedia, something like a preemptive multitasking patch, does that sound right? |
| 03:14.34 | dondelelcaro | bjron: but generally it's not necessary to do anything like that. |
| 03:14.37 | mrwill | !tell xerophyte about setting time |
| 03:15.01 | bjron | dondelelcaro: problem is programs try to play to the one I don't have the speakers plugged into |
| 03:15.03 | nvz | Darksmurf: sounds like you almost know what you are talkinga bout |
| 03:15.24 | nvz | Darksmurf: I have heard of the -mm patch, but I believe the kernel always supports PM |
| 03:15.37 | rich_ | Darksmurf Its in the 2.6 kernel. |
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| 03:16.12 | BigCanOfTuna | Anyone run Debian on an Athlon 64? I am thinking of putting together a new system and wondering if it is worth going to 64bit. I would primarily use the system as a developement workstation. |
| 03:16.13 | dondelelcaro | bjron: you can specify which card to use for most programs. What you should probably do is change the default for alsa though. |
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| 03:16.42 | mrwill | !tell BigCanOfTuna about anyone |
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| 03:16.49 | dondelelcaro | BigCanOfTuna: unless you need to address the memory, I'd imagine for most things it's not worth it to go for 64 bit yet. |
| 03:16.55 | bjron | dondelelcaro: where do I look for how to do that kind of thing? |
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| 03:17.06 | dondelelcaro | bjron: check google... I'll look when I get back in a second. |
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| 03:17.17 | bjron | dondelelcaro: thanks for the help |
| 03:17.20 | BigCanOfTuna | dondelelcaro: There are not performance gaines to be expected? |
| 03:17.23 | nvz | Darksmurf: PM is the kernels ability to decide how long to run any one task before switching to another |
| 03:17.38 | Darksmurf | nvz, rich_ 2.6..doh. I'm trying to recompile because I can't play MP3s, they sound garbled. The sounds GAIM play sound fine. Any ideas as to a cause, and any idea if this would help? |
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| 03:18.42 | God_father20 | hi, I want to start with Linux(I don`t know anything about linux), which version (slack, debian, ....) is good for me...? |
| 03:18.44 | doublehp | I have : # /usr/sbin/radvd -d 4 -l ./t && echo ok || echo NOK => NOK, why doens it say what is wrong ? and t logfile is not created ( yes my ./ is writable ) |
| 03:19.26 | nvz | Darksmurf: no idea would have to start over with more details. soundede like you already decided on compiling a kernel before |
| 03:19.29 | The_Vulture | ~tell God_father20 about why debian |
| 03:19.38 | rich_ | Darksmurf I dont know, its very sound card specific. If oss doesnt work, trry alsa. Or if the precompiled kernel works, boot with that, make your sound card work, then rmmod the modules until all thats left are the ones that are needed. |
| 03:19.56 | beata | Mew mew |
| 03:21.20 | Darksmurf | nvz rich_, I only decided to compile a new kernel because I didn't know what else to do. Its a C-Media sound card (CMPCI). The kernel module is the one that the installer installed. I'm using ESD (running enlightenment). MP3s sound garbled from XMMS and amp (i.e. from X and from console) |
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| 03:21.35 | nvz | God_father20: why are you "start with linux"? you mean you are learning how to use a computer? |
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| 03:22.20 | nvz | Darksmurf: ditch enlightment, try mpg321 then see whats what |
| 03:22.41 | Darksmurf | nvz mpg321! thats what I was looking for, but I coudln't remember the name |
| 03:22.53 | nvz | Darksmurf: thats what you get for running the Evil Sound Daemon |
| 03:23.27 | xerophyte | mrwill, thx for the info just wondering why does do i have to say UTC=no if i have windows on the same box which i dual boot |
| 03:23.55 | Darksmurf | nvz, I didn't think amp used esd, I thought it would use /dev/dsp |
| 03:23.57 | phaethon | crud. How much work would it be to cram a notebook-ready deb sys into a 128M USB flash drive? |
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| 03:24.11 | dondelelcaro | BigCanOfTuna: there may be if you are pushing a lot of 64 bit integers around or addressing large amounts of memory. |
| 03:24.19 | nvz | Darksmurf: turn off esd use a basic player see what happens |
| 03:24.47 | nvz | God_father20: dont /msg me |
| 03:24.54 | dondelelcaro | BigCanOfTuna: but I haven't been convinced yet that the gains are worth the extra cost... but check out the benchmarks for yourself, and see what you're actually doing. |
| 03:24.56 | beata | Probably a little much work, phaethon. 256MB would give more breathing space. |
| 03:25.33 | nvz | God_father20: /msg dpkg hi, not me. |
| 03:25.33 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, how can i use jigdo if my debian box is not on the net |
| 03:25.40 | phaethon | better off plugging into a bootable CDRW/DVDRW? |
| 03:25.50 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, the only box i have now connected to the net is a windows box |
| 03:25.59 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: there is jigdo available for windows. |
| 03:26.00 | beata | Hrmmm. What are you planning to do it for? |
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| 03:26.19 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, got a link? |
| 03:26.51 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: see http://atterer.net/jigdo/#download |
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| 03:27.21 | Darksmurf | top |
| 03:27.28 | Darksmurf | top |
| 03:27.34 | Darksmurf | doh...sorry |
| 03:27.49 | dondelelcaro | bjron: if you haven't found it already, see http://alsa.opensrc.org/faq/#FAQ026 |
| 03:28.05 | Cuga | Hey This question should be in #apache but they are ignoring me... i just installed Bastille package on one of my servers to test it out and it seems to have disabled remote access to user_dir's (public_html). I've doubled checked the apache2.conf and the permissions on the directory and files below it and all seems well.. what else should I look for |
| 03:28.10 | nvz | I love the way windows users are just so confused. Its like windows makes you tired, confused, and hungry for more apperently this is how they view the public. |
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| 03:28.29 | Cuga | I get 403's |
| 03:28.31 | bjron | dondelelcaro: great, thanks |
| 03:28.37 | nvz | s/they view/microsoft views/ |
| 03:29.07 | deviousubb | nvz: I know it makes me hungry, don't know about the tired part |
| 03:29.11 | numist | thank you nvz |
| 03:29.17 | bjron | heh, crap, gxine turned my volume down again >:( |
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| 03:30.15 | Darksmurf | nvz I can't tell any difference (still garbled). This is after I 'kill'ed esd |
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| 03:30.47 | nvz | Darksmurf: infestergate |
| 03:31.22 | nvz | Darksmurf: see what the cpu/mem usage is like when playing use htop, or gnome-system-monitor or something. |
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| 03:31.40 | nvz | Darksmurf: read logs, check filesystem usage, figure something out |
| 03:31.43 | deb-nube | dondelelcaro, no sound still ... I think I figured it out though :-) |
| 03:31.53 | deb-nube | dondelelcaro, check this out: |
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| 03:32.26 | deb-nube | # cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Modem ]: ICH - Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Modem |
| 03:32.26 | deb-nube | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.26 | deb-nube | 1 [I82801CAICH3 ]: ICH - Intel 82801CA-ICH3 Intel 82801CA-ICH3 at 0x1c00, irq 11 |
| 03:32.42 | dondelelcaro | deb-nube: ugh. Don't paste here. |
| 03:32.53 | Darksmurf | nvz, I've got ~20% free CPU when playing MP3, this is because I've got a cp going from the network. I've tried to play with 80%+ free while playing, with plenty of free ram |
| 03:32.56 | deb-nube | # cat /proc/asound/cards shows 2 cards |
| 03:33.05 | deb-nube | the first of which is a modem |
| 03:33.05 | Darksmurf | nvz, and no change |
| 03:33.09 | Stormfrog | Locales question: I set my locales with "dpkg-reconfigure locales", and configure them correctly. I log out my currect shell session and login, and I can still not use "å ä ö" in shell? |
| 03:33.26 | dondelelcaro | deb-nube: yeah, those crappy software modems are really just soundcards, so that's not terribly surprising. |
| 03:33.31 | dob | how can i make communicate 2 mta in a lan ? i want to send mail to the user of another pc and viceversa |
| 03:33.34 | Stormfrog | /s/currect/current |
| 03:33.36 | deb-nube | so I have to tell alsa to use card 2 |
| 03:33.51 | dondelelcaro | deb-nube: yeah, see the link that I gave bjron a few minutes ago. |
| 03:34.01 | deb-nube | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.07 | deb-nube | great thanks |
| 03:34.13 | nvz | Darksmurf: are you sure the files are good they fresh rips from cdparanoia or have you run checkmp3 or anything on them to check the frames? |
| 03:34.18 | dob | someone has some simple howto about this ? |
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| 03:35.28 | Darksmurf | nvz I'll run checkmp3. These files were good when I backed them up a few days ago..also transfered a file from another machine that was known good. I'm not ruling out corrupt files, it just seem VERY unlikley |
| 03:35.38 | Stormfrog | ANyone knows why my locales arent "used" even thou I set them in dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 03:36.14 | openroad | how to pipe message/mail before it arrives mailbox ,im using qmail |
| 03:36.16 | adar | I've got a small dependency problem with apt. I've got two apt sources, both of which supply a libtheora0, one with a much newer version. The apt source with the older version of libtheora0 also supplies libtheora-dev, which depends on the old version of libtheora0. I've got the newer version of libtheora0 installed, how can I get apt to remove it, install the older version of libtheora0, then install libtheora-dev? |
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| 03:36.21 | nvz | dob: debian.org has howto links, and that particular thing is probably covered in the install guide or your MTA's documentation |
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| 03:37.05 | mrwill | openroad: need to change mda, mail delivery agent. |
| 03:37.06 | Darksmurf | nvz FYI, this is a 500mhz + 256mB ram |
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| 03:37.20 | mrwill | openroad: could also use a .forward file. |
| 03:37.20 | dob | nvz: ok i read some howto but i don't want a professional installation guide about my mta, i think this is a simple problem |
| 03:37.25 | openroad | mrwill:what is it (qmail) |
| 03:37.26 | nvz | Darksmurf: better than most of my hw |
| 03:37.31 | dimka | hi, can anyone help a newbie? when i run "dmesg" i get "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" error, and it repeats hundreds of times |
| 03:38.01 | mrwill | openroad: if just for one user, recommend making a .forward in home dir, with '| some command' in it. |
| 03:38.21 | Darksmurf | nvz, I'd think it could play MP3s :-). CheckMP3 said it found 0 BAD_FRAMES |
| 03:38.29 | mrwill | openroad: that will process mail for that user through whatever program you pipe it to. |
| 03:38.36 | nvz | dob: dont know what to say, exim has documentation I havent read it, thats why my mta does local delivery only. heh |
| 03:38.43 | mrwill | openroad: otherwise, could try making procmail the mda. |
| 03:39.09 | openroad | mrwill:ok ill try .forward first now |
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| 03:39.15 | takatumi | what would be the best way to ssh into this machine from work? |
| 03:39.21 | nvz | Darksmurf: yeah by sound box is like 200mhz or so |
| 03:39.29 | Darksmurf | !! |
| 03:39.30 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 03:39.46 | dimka | anybody knows what "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" that dmesg generates? |
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| 03:40.26 | nvz | Darksmurf: mixes the xbox, mp3s, cds, and other inputs like line in for my guitar or whatever to the bose radio and the Cyber Acoustic system |
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| 03:41.42 | Darksmurf | nvz Nice, how many sound cards do you have?! |
| 03:41.48 | kpearce | I am having problems with utf-8 support in mozilla/galeon on the latest sid. It worked a couple of months ago, but now it won't display the Greek accents on perseus (www.perseus.tufts.edu). I'm not sure if this is a mozilla problem, or a font problem, or a debian mozilla package problem. Does anyone else know anything? Does it work for any of you? |
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| 03:42.00 | xixor | anyone have any experience with hpijs? THe Inkjet/deskjet printer driver software from HP? |
| 03:42.11 | nvz | Darksmurf: just one. Line In, Mic in, and Duplexed output, ESS Maestro 2 PCI |
| 03:42.18 | Craigwd_2000 | Nope. |
| 03:42.31 | derf | gah. I need to be more careful with cfdisk. I just toasted the partition table on the wrong disk, but I still have the drive mounted. Any chance I can recover it? |
| 03:43.03 | Craigwd_2000 | My ethernet isn't working under Morphix. I'm on a laptop. Any advice? |
| 03:43.12 | simonrvn | #morphix |
| 03:43.38 | Craigwd_2000 | Thanks. Though I've already tried their forums and got no help there. |
| 03:43.41 | Darksmurf | nvz, well, I guess I'm going to recompile my kernel |
| 03:44.07 | openroad | mrwill: could you give content example of .forward |
| 03:44.17 | kingsley | derf: Not that I know of, unless you happen to have copied the whole drive or first sector at some point, which I expect is unlikely. |
| 03:44.30 | simonrvn | Craigwd_2000: it was a request, not a suggestion |
| 03:44.35 | nvz | Darksmurf: the output is basically just a duplexed stereo ouput which I have duplexed again givinging me 3 identical outs, and used some of the modem, cd, etc internel inputs and stuff alon with some custom made cables that make use of old at keyboard coords and extensions I had to hook it all up |
| 03:44.37 | tty1 | how do i change what font is used at the bash prompt? |
| 03:44.45 | doublehp | I have : # /usr/sbin/radvd -d 4 -l ./t && echo ok || echo NOK => NOK, why doens it say what is wrong ? and t logfile is not created ( yes my ./ is writable ) |
| 03:44.50 | kingsley | derf: You mihgt want to google for "partition table" and recover | reconstruct. |
| 03:44.55 | derf | kingsley: yep. OK. I'll just start backing up and hope I get the whole thing before I have to leave for work in the morning. |
| 03:45.06 | Darksmurf | nvz, ahh, I get it...I forgot about all those internal inputs |
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| 03:45.53 | kingsley | derf: I like your idea of a backup. Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised to find that there's a clever way to reconstruct a partition table by scanning a disc, but I'm guessing. |
| 03:45.58 | mrwill | openroad: well, for what you are trying to do I already did -- just a line in the file starting with a pipe, and then a command to process the mail through. mail sent to that user account will be run through the command. |
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| 03:46.33 | nvz | Darksmurf: would be nice to get better hardware and setup some real surround, and where I can control which inputs go to which outputs, instead of mixing everything together |
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| 03:47.08 | openroad | mrwill: well thx alot for info :) |
| 03:47.17 | mrwill | openroad: sure. |
| 03:48.16 | nvz | I will probably keep this laptop untill it dies, and run the TRex Intel PIIX's into the ground too. alot of the other stuff has got to go though |
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| 03:50.01 | maggo | hello, i des installed dpkg |
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| 03:51.07 | maggo | somebody can tell me if there is another form to install it |
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| 03:52.03 | maggo | please help me |
| 03:52.55 | mrwill | maggo: if you want to beg, please do it coherently. |
| 03:53.08 | mrwill | maggo: your questions make no sense. |
| 03:53.09 | nvz | apt_: hello |
| 03:53.31 | g4lt | how did you remove dpkg?! |
| 03:53.58 | nvz | is that what des installed means? |
| 03:54.35 | mrwill | oh boy, let me guess! |
| 03:54.57 | peterS | nvz: I have triple des installed |
| 03:55.11 | mrwill | it means he installed it, but encrypted it too. |
| 03:55.16 | nvz | peterS: what for? |
| 03:55.32 | peterS | nvz: oh, you know, couldn't be bothered to recompile openssl without it |
| 03:55.41 | nvz | heh |
| 03:55.43 | g4lt | I think there's like a special thing when you try to --purge dpkg that requires you to type in "yes, I know uninstalling this will fuck up my system" |
| 03:55.55 | nvz | peterS: s/recompile/use/ |
| 03:55.58 | nvz | ? |
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| 03:56.11 | peterS | nvz: oh, I don't actually *use* 3DES for anything |
| 03:56.34 | g4lt | peterS why not, i still use rot13 |
| 03:56.41 | xixor | anyone think they could provide a quick help getting a printer going? I have an HP deskjet, I installed hpijs, foomatic, cups, added the queue for my printer (which should be in /dev/lp0 I believe). Cups says it is on Device URI: parallel:/dev/unknown-parallel0. The message is "printer not connected, try again 30 seconds" |
| 03:57.36 | maggo | ok, i desinstalle dpkg |
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| 03:58.06 | g4lt | magg fine, don't listen |
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| 03:58.48 | nvz | g4lt: cant hear you way down there, need some hamster stilts |
| 03:58.50 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, jigdo-lite keeps asking me for a debian mirror: |
| 03:59.00 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: yeah. Point it at your local debian mirror. |
| 03:59.05 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 03:59.06 | dpkg | mirrors is probably at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 03:59.27 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, i figured out what i was doing wrong |
| 03:59.37 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, i was omitting the http:// :) |
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| 03:59.59 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: oh, yeah... that's non-optional. |
| 04:00.05 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: since it can be ftp:// too... |
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| 04:00.37 | g4lt | I want a lsh:// source ;) |
| 04:00.45 | maggo | yes, I deleted dpkg |
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| 04:01.27 | |XO2| | if you dont set a grace period or a soft limit on quotas.....and just set a hard limit....it will still work right? |
| 04:01.42 | g4lt | maggo well, you succeeded in doing exactly what you typed then |
| 04:01.44 | architec | hi all |
| 04:01.46 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, i hope this thing actually create the dvd |
| 04:02.02 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, if not i'm going to be ticked |
| 04:02.11 | |XO2| | how do i get rid of kdm from starting up? |
| 04:02.31 | nvz | |XO2|: update-rc.d -f kdm remove |
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| 04:02.42 | g4lt | !tell |XO2| about nodm |
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| 04:02.48 | Stormfrog | When I boot up and gdm should start it fails and sends me back to prompt with the message "Caught Signal 11. Server aborting" what does that mean? |
| 04:02.52 | Klebel | where would i put gtk themes at? |
| 04:03.10 | g4lt | !tell Stormfrog about sig11 faq |
| 04:03.16 | g4lt | !tell Stormfrog about sig11 |
| 04:03.23 | nvz | Stormfrog: read the X log, Signal 11 is a SIGSEGV or Segmentation Violation |
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| 04:04.25 | Stormfrog | nvz: How can that be? X was running just fine some minutes ago, then I made a dpkg-reconfigure to make the locales right. But that was everyhting I did... :P |
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| 04:04.48 | g4lt | Stormfrog listen to the bot.... |
| 04:04.51 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: well, it's supposed to... I've used it to create cds, but not dvds yet. |
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| 04:06.02 | Spongebob | urgh frustration... g4lt i just tried my knoppix cd, and when i run glxgears i get 220+fps on knoppix, yet only 50-80fps on my current install.. also the framebuffer works on the knoppix and doesnt work much or at all on my current install... any ideas? |
| 04:06.06 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, why on the mirror readme does it say ftp.us.debian.org (not mirrored) ? |
| 04:06.14 | mrwill | |XO2|: yes, quotas work fine without a soft limit. |
| 04:06.17 | Stormfrog | g4lt: thing is I am 99% sure my memory is topnotch so I dont see why I am getting this error... |
| 04:06.27 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, does that mean it is not that "uptodate" ? |
| 04:06.45 | nvz | you cant use windows, it uses you by design |
| 04:06.54 | BucDesktop | hehe |
| 04:07.10 | g4lt | in soviet russia you use windows |
| 04:07.24 | g4lt | in capitalist america windows uses you |
| 04:07.31 | nvz | heh |
| 04:07.41 | dondelelcaro | BucDesktop: I don't know where you're reading that... |
| 04:07.46 | hazard` | microsoft j00nix is k-l33t |
| 04:07.59 | BucDesktop | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
| 04:08.01 | nvz | g4lt: I suppose kickme.to/fosi is proof of this |
| 04:08.10 | BucDesktop | the United States mirror under primary mirror |
| 04:08.24 | Stormfrog | Anyone knows what to do with a sig11 if there is no hardware fault? |
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| 04:08.33 | |XO2| | mrwill thanks |
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| 04:09.31 | BucDesktop | dondelelcaro, is there any way to see what files will be on the sarge jigdo disc 1? |
| 04:09.54 | deviousubb | linuxsoft |
| 04:09.54 | g4lt | Stormfrog buy stock in sky-castle-building companies? |
| 04:10.00 | xerophyte | how many people think qmail is better then exim for large email servers greater than 20K emails ? |
| 04:10.16 | nvz | !confuse Stormfrog |
| 04:10.18 | dpkg | no, how was my badger tomorrow, Stormfrog? by order of the democracy of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
| 04:10.53 | g4lt | xerophyte how about you start MTA wars in #wegiveashitaboutmtawars? |
| 04:10.59 | Spongebob | urgh frustration... i just tried my knoppix cd, and when i run glxgears i get 220+fps on knoppix, yet only 50-80fps on my current install.. also the framebuffer works on the knoppix and doesnt work much or at all on my current install... any ideas? |
| 04:11.13 | tty1 | can snyone suggest any programs that would change the look of my console? |
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| 04:11.15 | deviousubb | Spongebob: #knoppix |
| 04:11.41 | g4lt | tty1 X ;P |
| 04:11.50 | tty1 | g4lt -> hehe |
| 04:12.41 | mrwill | tty1: if you have console framebuffer support in the kernel you might be able to change fonts or something. |
| 04:12.43 | Stormfrog | g4lt: thats not a very constructive solution... entertaining idea thou |
| 04:13.02 | nvz | tty1: stare at htop for awhile then go do something productive |
| 04:13.03 | morka | can somebody educate me on what is framebuffer? |
| 04:13.05 | tty1 | mr-david -> i can change the fonts using consolechars |
| 04:13.17 | tty1 | nvz -> :) |
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| 04:13.53 | Stormfrog | wtf, I just cant for the love of god figure out how xserver can run smooth one moment and the next it exits with fatal server error?????!1 |
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| 04:14.10 | morka | xserver is mysterious like that |
| 04:14.12 | morka | i try not to use it |
| 04:14.14 | Stormfrog | *tears at his dreads* |
| 04:14.52 | bob2 | Stormfrog: sig11 is almost always a hardware bug |
| 04:14.53 | Stormfrog | morka: but I want to have a gnome desktop and be really cool... :\ |
| 04:14.54 | absurdhero | hello, has anyone here used Debian GNU/Hurd? |
| 04:14.56 | jorgp | anyone know of a good xml/xsl editor |
| 04:15.00 | bob2 | assuming you haven't done stupid shit to your software |
| 04:15.02 | nvz | Stormfrog: apt-get install comb |
| 04:15.03 | bob2 | jorgp: emacs! |
| 04:15.05 | bob2 | absurdhero: #hurd |
| 04:15.14 | absurdhero | ah thanks |
| 04:15.15 | Stormfrog | bob2: dont curse |
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| 04:15.24 | jorgp | bob2: no, wysiwyg interaface |
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| 04:15.37 | bob2 | jorgp: how can you have wysiwyg for xml? |
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| 04:15.45 | mwilson | [1;5A |
| 04:15.46 | mwilson | zoobazoobazooba |
| 04:16.07 | Stormfrog | nvz: iiiek, evil! |
| 04:16.16 | g4lt | actually wouldn't XML be WYSIWYMGIYHYTR? |
| 04:16.19 | jorgp | bob2: no idea, how about xsl |
| 04:16.20 | mwilson | Hrm, it still eats the CPU, but it's running a lot faster... |
| 04:16.45 | bob2 | jorgp: XSL wysiwyg is even more insane |
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| 04:17.42 | BucDesktop | i'm out night all. thanks again dondelelcaro |
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| 04:17.58 | Stormfrog | g4lt: "What you See Is What You Maybe Get If Have Your Trooper Railgun"? |
| 04:18.04 | doublehp | I have : # /usr/sbin/radvd -d 4 -l ./t && echo ok || echo NOK => NOK, why doens it say what is wrong ? and t logfile is not created ( yes my ./ is writable ) |
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| 04:18.55 | Flying_Furball | for a newbie looking for a distro that is compatible with the most things and is easy to use, which one would you guys recommend? I know of Xandros, SuSE, and Mandrake to be easy enough, but which one is best? |
| 04:19.02 | menteco | do you know a good CAT (computer aided translation) software for linux? |
| 04:19.27 | rich_ | Flying_Furball debian of course. |
| 04:19.40 | bob2 | Flying_Furball: asking that in a distro channel seems a little silly |
| 04:19.51 | bob2 | but if you're a huge newbie, ubuntu might be a nice intro to Debian |
| 04:19.54 | g4lt | Stormfrog hold your tongue right, but yeah |
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| 04:20.37 | Stormfrog | bob2: the odd thing is that after gdm fails to load it sends me back to shell, then tries to start again, fails, tries to start again... and goes on like that until I kill the gdm process. And thats when the sig11 error comes up... :P |
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| 04:21.17 | Jambon | ya i know it's silly |
| 04:21.53 | Jambon | but after installing debian on a friends computer because he hated windows, i'm not having much luck with it |
| 04:21.55 | Stormfrog | Jambon: Linux isnt for n00bs... I know, I am one of the. Its Hell, save yourself when you still have your mentality intact. ;) |
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| 04:21.59 | maggo | i have deleted dpkg, i need reinstall it, there some form |
| 04:22.16 | Stormfrog | Jambon: *looks insane and drools* |
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| 04:22.25 | Jambon | and i'm asking for easy. yes i like debian, i've used it before. but trying to set everything up in less than a week in it isn't as easy as i'd like |
| 04:22.34 | jotham | how do i list the installed packages on my system? dpkg -l? |
| 04:22.42 | guestish | Jambon: debian isnt one of the easier distros to set up |
| 04:22.43 | bob2 | maggo: no, you've lost |
| 04:22.52 | bob2 | maggo: use a boot disk and don't do such stupid shit again |
| 04:22.57 | guestish | Jambon: also its not as graphical as some people would prefer |
| 04:23.05 | jotham | bob2: that's good advice |
| 04:23.06 | bob2 | Jambon: ubuntu! |
| 04:23.16 | jotham | "don't do such stupid shit" |
| 04:23.23 | jotham | i wish my coworkers headed that :( |
| 04:23.27 | bob2 | jotham: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' |
| 04:23.39 | jotham | mmm awk |
| 04:23.48 | SNIa | gawk awk |
| 04:24.02 | guestish | dont gawk at awk |
| 04:24.04 | menteco | is it possible to install Sid directly, without upgrading from stable? |
| 04:24.09 | jotham | problem is, if i do apt-get on one of them, it says it isn't installed |
| 04:24.11 | bob2 | menteco: yes. |
| 04:24.14 | guestish | menteco: yes, but not recomended... |
| 04:24.16 | jotham | so dpkg -l is showing things that arn't even installed? |
| 04:24.21 | bob2 | jotham: yes. |
| 04:24.23 | tty1 | my computer froze but i can still ssh into it but when i tell it to shutdown it doesnt respond (no error) and i cant kill the program that made the system hand.. can someone give me a way tos hut it down without doing a hard reset? |
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| 04:24.34 | bob2 | jotham: put a "grep ^ii" in there if you only want installed ones |
| 04:24.39 | jotham | thanks |
| 04:24.41 | menteco | bob2: how to install Sid directly? |
| 04:24.47 | rich_ | If you find debian too hard to set up I think you should try os/x, or solaris. |
| 04:24.47 | jotham | what does 'rc' mean btw? |
| 04:24.56 | menteco | guestish, why you do not recommend to install Sid directly? |
| 04:25.06 | jotham | since when was it called 'os/x' |
| 04:25.06 | g4lt | jotham in what context? |
| 04:25.07 | guestish | menteco: it changes too much to give a good clean first install... |
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| 04:25.15 | jotham | g4lt: dpkg -l output |
| 04:25.16 | guestish | menteco: i would install sarge or woody then upgrade |
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| 04:25.18 | bob2 | jotham: removed, configs remaining |
| 04:25.21 | jotham | ahh |
| 04:25.24 | bob2 | jotham: the legend at the top of the output explains it |
| 04:25.28 | Flying_Furball | k |
| 04:25.36 | Flying_Furball | i just missed any answers that came |
| 04:25.44 | guestish | menteco: though i suppose you could give the unofficial sid cds a shot |
| 04:25.52 | jotham | my scrollback doesn't contain all the output |
| 04:25.58 | jotham | i'll pipe it |
| 04:25.58 | debian | jotham: what makes you think he's referring to Apple's OSX? :) |
| 04:25.59 | bob2 | jotham: dpkg -l | head |
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| 04:26.16 | emes | why can't you install opera with apt-get? |
| 04:26.16 | Flying_Furball | check |
| 04:26.18 | jotham | debian: well i figured he could mean os2 warp...but it didn't seem likely |
| 04:26.23 | Flying_Furball | statement |
| 04:26.36 | menteco | guetish, the last time I downloaded an unofficial Sid cds, the installer was not functional. I had to first install woody. |
| 04:26.37 | debian | jotham: :D |
| 04:26.42 | bob2 | emes: because opera isn't in Debian. |
| 04:26.51 | jotham | opera is terrible anyway |
| 04:26.51 | emes | bob2: why not? |
| 04:27.00 | bob2 | emes: because Debian's not allowed to do so |
| 04:27.02 | Stormfrog | Jambon: Ive tried some different distros and finally came up with that the distor most commonly used among my friends is the one to go with... every distory seem to have their own problems. Mandrake is real easy to install a default system. Debian is, or rather can be, alot more tricker. But when it comes to installing programs and controlling packages apt-get just blows Mandrake away. Basically, Mandrake = hype. Debian = efficiency. That my five ... |
| 04:27.02 | jotham | debian doesn't support lameware (tm) |
| 04:27.04 | bob2 | complain to opera. |
| 04:27.08 | Stormfrog | ... cents anyway (being a "n00b") |
| 04:27.26 | tempo | can anyone recommand a solid 24port gigbit switch that doesn't cost $$$$? |
| 04:27.33 | emes | bob2: its in gentoo and freebsd portage, whats the difference? |
| 04:27.42 | Stormfrog | /s/jombon/Flying_Furball |
| 04:27.43 | guestish | why does anyone use opera?? there are plenty of free web browsers, who would want to pay money for one? |
| 04:27.45 | absurdhero | the sarge CD worked for me |
| 04:27.55 | emes | guestish: opera is free |
| 04:28.04 | bob2 | emes: portage downloads it from another source |
| 04:28.13 | g4lt | emes and you can get a copy from Opera, not from Debian |
| 04:28.13 | bob2 | emes: go get the .deb from opera's site |
| 04:28.16 | jotham | firefox is nice |
| 04:28.19 | bob2 | emes: complain to them if you want it in Debian |
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| 04:28.21 | absurdhero | except that it isn't.. you have to pay if you dont want ads. and you don't get source code |
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| 04:28.34 | guestish | emes: with spyware, yes |
| 04:28.49 | emes | guestish: and its the only browser that i know that saves open pages through sessions, which is very helpful |
| 04:29.06 | guestish | emes: what do you mean "saves open pages"? |
| 04:29.23 | guestish | emes: most, if not all, modern web browsers cache websites |
| 04:29.26 | Stormfrog | guestish: Opera is just raw power... imho. It IS faster than firefox in some aspects. Its tab controll is alot more sophisticated, its loaded with odd features which some of us has come to depend upon. |
| 04:29.34 | debian | emes: well, firefox can, with plugins |
| 04:29.35 | emes | guestish: you can leave 20 tabs open, crash the computer, restart, and have all the tabs open when you start opera back up |
| 04:29.35 | jotham | he means when you reload the browser all your tabs are where they were last time |
| 04:29.44 | absurdhero | mozilla does that |
| 04:29.48 | guestish | emes: galeon does that too |
| 04:29.54 | jotham | but i don't see why you would pick a web browser based on that feature |
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| 04:29.59 | emes | firefox does that? |
| 04:30.03 | guestish | emes: and im sure others do too |
| 04:30.07 | guestish | emes: i said galeon, not firefox |
| 04:30.08 | absurdhero | you can save tab sets in virtually every tabbed browser (except Safari) |
| 04:30.11 | jotham | firefox doesn't as far as i can tell |
| 04:30.11 | debian | emes: yes, I forgot the link, you go look for it yourself. |
| 04:30.22 | debian | jotham: yes it does |
| 04:30.25 | Stormfrog | Not to even mention mouse gestures in Opera... I cant live without them. |
| 04:30.25 | absurdhero | there must be an extention.. |
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| 04:30.31 | Spartak | how can i pipe all output including errors to /dev/null in a bash script? |
| 04:30.32 | absurdhero | mouse gestures in firefox |
| 04:30.33 | debian | jotham: not by default, though |
| 04:30.34 | jotham | debian: oh i was looking for the option the other day but couldn't find it |
| 04:30.44 | guestish | emes: galeon i KNOW does it, i dont know about firefox. you can probably find an extention that does it though |
| 04:30.51 | emes | i use opera normally and if something doesnt work, i open up firefox |
| 04:30.55 | debian | jotham: aye, it's just a plugin, since everybody is intrested, let me find the link |
| 04:31.03 | guestish | to each their own |
| 04:31.12 | Stormfrog | emes: me to =) |
| 04:31.22 | absurdhero | guestish: except for teh source code :p |
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| 04:31.35 | guestish | absurdhero: ? |
| 04:31.39 | Jambon | hello? |
| 04:31.41 | absurdhero | "to each his own" |
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| 04:31.44 | guestish | absurdhero: its their source code, they can do what they like |
| 04:31.56 | protoloco__ | how do i find a file ? |
| 04:32.02 | guestish | protoloco__: locate |
| 04:32.06 | |XO2| | chmod 777 |XO| |
| 04:32.08 | carmen | emes: you need 'tabbrowser' extension for ffox |
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| 04:32.16 | SNIa | any other must-have app I need to install? I got gaim,gimp,evolution,firefox,xmms |
| 04:32.17 | Stormfrog | protoloco__: find -name "*f00*" |
| 04:32.22 | absurdhero | i didn't say that can't do what they like |
| 04:32.35 | guestish | SNIa: install what you need |
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| 04:32.40 | debian | emes, jotham: http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/ -> Session Saver |
| 04:32.54 | Stormfrog | SNIa: mplayer is always nice... :) |
| 04:33.00 | SNIa | right! |
| 04:33.04 | guestish | SNIa: i recomend xine for playing movies and the codecs from mplayer's website if you dont mind installing 3rd party packages |
| 04:33.11 | SNIa | I keep getting this error, Please check your locale settings: |
| 04:33.11 | jotham | debian: thanks |
| 04:33.16 | guestish | SNIa: mplayer itself is nice too |
| 04:33.20 | absurdhero | oh you can mix and match mplayer's codecs with xine? |
| 04:33.22 | SNIa | LANGUAGE=(unset_ |
| 04:33.24 | debian | emes: though I use Opera at work, but I do think firefox has more extension than opera |
| 04:33.30 | debian | jotham: glad to help |
| 04:33.33 | Stormfrog | SNIa: with the mplayer gui you dont need xmms... =) |
| 04:33.49 | SNIa | right |
| 04:34.04 | SNIa | installed scribus too, thats a good appà |
| 04:34.31 | absurdhero | i usually use it on OSX |
| 04:34.39 | jacobsid | What is the debian way to manage joystick permissions? I've searched and understand I need rw permissions but I haven't found the right group to do this with. It seems like there should be an input or joystick group. |
| 04:34.45 | absurdhero | i tend to prefer VLC for debian |
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| 04:34.58 | deb-nube | debian, "download with" is another great extension ;-) |
| 04:34.59 | guestish | SNIa: mplayer prides itself on its console interface, if you want GUI get a xine frontend |
| 04:35.04 | debian | Stormfrog: I thought that win32 version is quite complete |
| 04:35.06 | absurdhero | jacobsid: you can make a joystick group if you want |
| 04:35.09 | absurdhero | let me see what I did |
| 04:35.20 | absurdhero | doh computer not on |
| 04:35.32 | rich_ | I use mplayer for almost everything in debian. I have it set up, to handle streams when I click on icons with dfm |
| 04:35.37 | SNIa | is there a .deb package for mplayer? i've compiled it from source before |
| 04:35.42 | debian | deb-nube: really? There're way too many of them to try. :) |
| 04:35.45 | absurdhero | there is a group for people with access to the physical input devices, i can't remember the name of it. thats what you want |
| 04:35.51 | jacobsid | absurdhero: Thanks. I was hoping that it was used enough that a defacto group had been reserved for that type of stuff. |
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| 04:35.57 | frozeNET | hey |
| 04:35.58 | guestish | !tell SNIa about marillat |
| 04:36.08 | guestish | !tell SNIa about mplayer |
| 04:36.11 | absurdhero | jacobsid: type groups as your normal user and see which one fits best |
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| 04:36.19 | frozeNET | i'm using postfix, can someone tell me how i can send mail through my ISP's smtp server? |
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| 04:36.34 | faw | hmmm |
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| 04:36.56 | SNIa | marillat who's that? |
| 04:37.01 | guestish | frozeNET: #postfix |
| 04:37.08 | guestish | SNIa: the maintainer of the mplayer debs |
| 04:37.11 | frozeNET | nobody's alive... |
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| 04:37.29 | kaosdzy1 | k. as silly a question as this seems, what is the best distro for beginners. i need the most drivers possible and best windows compatibilty |
| 04:37.39 | Stormfrog | debian: nah, long from... every 5 movie I play in mplayer has a problem with audio/video sync, it crashes randomly and doesnt play some files correctly (messes up colors)... but apart from that it is great. It plays everyhing that is "correct", but the movies I play are usually a bit corrupted. |
| 04:37.47 | frozeNET | kaosdzy1, probbably mandrake |
| 04:37.50 | SNIa | kaosdzy1: I heard lycoris is good |
| 04:37.53 | frozeNET | it's the most windows-ish |
| 04:37.58 | quin_ | kaosdzy1: i'd agree with frozeNET |
| 04:38.01 | frozeNET | but you'll have to move away from it quickly |
| 04:38.05 | frozeNET | if you want to learn real linux |
| 04:38.12 | guestish | frozeNET: you dont _have_ to |
| 04:38.14 | frozeNET | also, it isn't the best distro out there |
| 04:38.19 | SNIa | I'd have to say I learned the most from Linux From Scratch |
| 04:38.26 | guestish | SNIa: oy... |
| 04:38.28 | rich_ | Stormfrog The marrilat sources provide lots of codecs |
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| 04:38.33 | debian | Stormfrog: on average it can plays more than any other players. Well may be I haven't seen too many movies. :) |
| 04:38.44 | SNIa | but... its pointless using LFS for production, FAR too time consuming |
| 04:38.55 | guestish | SNIa: pointless to use it for anything but a learning tool |
| 04:39.04 | SNIa | heh, you could say that |
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| 04:39.21 | guestish | SNIa: i for one hate having to do my own package management :) |
| 04:39.24 | SNIa | or if you're curious as to the structure of a distro, if you're going tob uild your own |
| 04:39.29 | Stormfrog | debian: yes, its definately the best player overall... Im just waiting for an update on the gui. |
| 04:39.34 | rich_ | If you dont get unix, go to school. If you do, then linux is easy |
| 04:39.35 | SNIa | guestish: nod |
| 04:39.50 | guestish | Stormfrog: xine is just as good |
| 04:39.51 | debian | Stormfrog: there is GUI? :P |
| 04:39.56 | guestish | Stormfrog: and its much more GUI oriented |
| 04:40.04 | Stormfrog | guestish: bah |
| 04:40.12 | guestish | Stormfrog: i know for a fact the mplayer devs dont care about the GUI as a whole |
| 04:40.15 | kaosdzy1 | what about xandros? |
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| 04:40.37 | SNIa | Lindows I heard was close to windows, or as it is called now Linspire |
| 04:40.44 | Stormfrog | guestish: I have no idea, there isnt an win32 version of xine from what I know :) |
| 04:40.50 | guestish | Stormfrog: ok, that sounded weird, i meant to say most mplayer devs dont like the mplayer gui ;) |
| 04:40.59 | guestish | Stormfrog: this isnt #windows |
| 04:41.02 | peterS | SNIa: they should call it GNU/Linspire |
| 04:41.06 | rich_ | SNIa I heard that lindows is a program for windows. |
| 04:41.15 | guestish | peterS: na, it would detract from the commerical value in the name |
| 04:41.25 | guestish | :) |
| 04:41.45 | jacobsid | absurdhero: Thanks for your time. IMO none of the groups in /etc/group really fit. I'll try to remember to write up an email to debian-user tomorrow. |
| 04:41.45 | Stormfrog | guestish: no shit? damn, Ive been in the wrong channel for a WEEK! No wonder my system is so messed up now!! o_0 |
| 04:41.53 | Stormfrog | ;) |
| 04:41.56 | guestish | lol.. |
| 04:41.59 | absurdhero | jacbosid: whats it under by default? |
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| 04:42.13 | guestish | Stormfrog: remember, fdisk is your friend :)( |
| 04:42.15 | guestish | Stormfrog: :) |
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| 04:42.21 | Stormfrog | guestish: hehe |
| 04:42.28 | kaosdzy1 | any thoughts on xandros? |
| 04:42.35 | absurdhero | jacobsid: the group that the ttys is under fits I think. if you have keyboard access, you should have joystick access i think |
| 04:42.40 | jacobsid | absurdhero: I'm using 2.6.8 w/ discover/hotplug. /dev/input/* (including js0) are all root:root |
| 04:42.50 | absurdhero | jacobsid: ah |
| 04:42.52 | guestish | kaosdzy1: sure, its a distro that costs money |
| 04:43.14 | absurdhero | you could also put it under the audio group since anyone who has access to the speakers could use the joystick |
| 04:43.22 | guestish | kaosdzy1: feel free to ask more, im just chalk full of thoughts tonight |
| 04:43.24 | kaosdzy1 | ok. let's pretend it doesn't for now..... |
| 04:43.40 | absurdhero | or whatever the mouse is under, i dunno, just throwing out sugestions |
| 04:43.49 | Spongebob | 2.6.6 vs 2.6.8.1 what |
| 04:43.54 | guestish | kaosdzy1: they make a decent distro thats geared towards people who want to use linux in a similar manner they use windows |
| 04:43.56 | Spongebob | whats better |
| 04:44.07 | guestish | Spongebob: 2.6.8.1 is safer |
| 04:44.18 | kaosdzy1 | now. money aside. which distro would support the most things? |
| 04:44.22 | Spongebob | mm |
| 04:44.32 | trogger | kaosdzy1: more specifically? |
| 04:44.34 | guestish | kaosdzy1: s/a similar manner/a similar manner in which they use windows/ |
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| 04:44.43 | jacobsid | absurdhero Thanks. Mouse works as root since it's handled by X. I could have X read joystick but the games want to read/write /dev/js0 or /dev/input/js0 |
| 04:44.46 | quin_ | guestish, kaosdzy1: "like windows" = "like an newbs desktop" |
| 04:44.48 | guestish | kaosdzy1: the linux kernel is the same no matter what you use |
| 04:45.01 | guestish | quin_: you could say that, or you could also say its for people who dont want to learn |
| 04:45.05 | Jambon | k now |
| 04:45.21 | guestish | quin_: they just want something that looks pretty and doesnt crash |
| 04:45.31 | absurdhero | in that case, knoppix :p |
| 04:45.44 | guestish | absurdhero: that is a livecd, and only a livecd |
| 04:45.52 | quin_ | guestish: when you get a little into it debian is great for laziness and less hassle while still having a decent desktop |
| 04:45.53 | Crasp | guestish: i could give them the painting i made yesterday :) |
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| 04:46.00 | guestish | Crasp: :) |
| 04:46.05 | Crasp | guestish: rockstable, never crashes, and looks nice :) |
| 04:46.06 | jacobsid | absurdhero: It seems like there should be an input group, unless a joystick is the only input device you'd write to in which case maybe there should be a joystick group. |
| 04:46.08 | absurdhero | guestish: ive installed it to a drive :p |
| 04:46.09 | guestish | quin_: no, it isnt |
| 04:46.10 | Spongebob | guestish, im just trying to figure out why i get 220+ fps with glxgears under knoppix using the 2.6.6 kernel and only 50 - 80fps under my normal debian install using 2.6.8.1 with pretty much the same setitngs?!?! any ideas? |
| 04:46.19 | Jambon | i'm asking this because i've tried to install debian on a friend computer and it's not working too well. sound is failing and it's dirt slow. i need a distro that out of the box will support the most things and link to a windows network, possibly have a scanning and cd/dvd burning program |
| 04:46.22 | absurdhero | jacobsid: ya, i agree |
| 04:46.26 | guestish | quin_: maybe once installed, but the installation process is a pain |
| 04:46.40 | guestish | Spongebob: maybe they are using the hardware accelerated drivers |
| 04:46.50 | takatumi | amazing, ssh from a windows machine at works fine, but awfully slow |
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| 04:46.53 | absurdhero | jacobsid: I think i put mine under the group that the cdrom is under. that way, an account with physical access is required to use the joystick |
| 04:46.55 | Crasp | Jambon: well, debian has all kernel options enabled. If it's not in the kernel, than it's available as a module |
| 04:47.01 | quin_ | guestish: yeah, but i've found recent installers a bit more friendly :) |
| 04:47.06 | Crasp | Jambon: another distribution is not gonna help you on that |
| 04:47.10 | jacobsid | Spongebob: Sometimes I've gotten results from glxgears that seem impossible. i don't know if that's what you're seeing or not. Are you using the same resolution on both systems? glxgears window the same size? |
| 04:47.16 | Crasp | Jambon: i consider you read the installation guide |
| 04:47.26 | guestish | Jambon: try the sarge install cds, they are quite easy to use |
| 04:47.30 | Spongebob | jacobsid, yep |
| 04:47.34 | guestish | quin_: true |
| 04:47.36 | Jambon | it is sarge i'm using |
| 04:47.42 | Crasp | time for train |
| 04:47.42 | Crasp | bb |
| 04:47.51 | guestish | Jambon: then either learn how to use a linux distro or go to mandrake/suse/redhat |
| 04:48.02 | Jambon | that's what i wanted to know |
| 04:48.03 | Spongebob | guestish, any ideas how i can check to see if im using the hardware accelerated drivers? |
| 04:48.08 | Jambon | which one of those |
| 04:48.10 | guestish | Jambon: or if you are feeling like shelling out cash use xandros or linspire |
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| 04:48.20 | SNIa | do I have to install my nvidia driver manually under debian? |
| 04:48.21 | guestish | Spongebob: sure, check your XF86Config-4 file |
| 04:48.29 | guestish | Spongebob: this an nvidia card? |
| 04:48.35 | guestish | !tell SNIa about nvidia howto |
| 04:48.36 | quin_ | heh i have a xandros 1.0 cd, came with a magazine |
| 04:48.46 | Spongebob | haha no, trident Cyberblade XPAi1 (laptop) |
| 04:48.56 | quin_ | don't try to configure xandros beyond their pretty dialogs |
| 04:49.00 | takatumi | how can I see the other session windows ssh'd through putty? |
| 04:49.02 | SNIa | guestish: is there a version for kernel 2.4? |
| 04:49.03 | guestish | Spongebob: no idea then, google for a howto |
| 04:49.04 | Jambon | ok, let;s pretend there was no money involved. which of suse/mandrake/xandros/lycoris will support the most things out of the box? |
| 04:49.09 | guestish | SNIa: its the same for 2.4 |
| 04:49.10 | quin_ | edit a config file and *poof* your system starts acting weird |
| 04:49.21 | guestish | Jambon: its a coin toss |
| 04:49.28 | guestish | Jambon: depends solely on your system |
| 04:49.34 | takatumi | on screen |
| 04:49.35 | deadcat | anyone know of apple ibook recalls and stuff? |
| 04:49.40 | Jambon | 1.1 g celeron |
| 04:49.48 | absurdhero | yes |
| 04:49.48 | jacobsid | Spongebob glxinfo |
| 04:49.48 | gridbug | Hey folks. Anybody set up Nagios on Sid? I'm getting an error that reads in part "It appears as though you do not have permission to view information for any of the services you requested...". |
| 04:49.49 | quin_ | i'd say mandrake/lycoris |
| 04:49.53 | Stormfrog | Is there a simple way to save a programs output into a file? Etc "ls | save f00.txt" |
| 04:49.59 | guestish | Jambon: techinically they all support exactly the same things, its just a measure of their autodetection capibilities |
| 04:50.02 | Stormfrog | commands that is |
| 04:50.03 | peterS | Stormfrog: ls > file.txt |
| 04:50.06 | absurdhero | ls > foo.txt |
| 04:50.10 | Stormfrog | sweet |
| 04:50.11 | guestish | Jambon: all you can do is try them out and see what works best |
| 04:50.18 | Stormfrog | thanks guys |
| 04:50.22 | peterS | Stormfrog: or ... if you also want to see the output on your terminal: |
| 04:50.26 | peterS | Stormfrog: ls | tee file.txt |
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| 04:50.39 | peterS | Stormfrog: "tee" meaning "duplicate the output into this file" |
| 04:50.49 | Spongebob | jacobsid, what am i looking for |
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| 04:50.59 | trogger | Stormfrog: if you want to append the stuff to the end of a file, use ls >> file.txt |
| 04:51.38 | Jambon | ok. how is xandros? i heard that it does windows networking well, and that would be just super cuz the school network it a pretty important thing to be able to see |
| 04:51.47 | guestish | Jambon: debian is better than any beginner distro such as the one i've listed, but the learning curve is steeper |
| 04:51.52 | jacobsid | Spongebob: direct rendering: Yes (third line) |
| 04:51.58 | guestish | Jambon: try it out and see, or ask in #xandros |
| 04:52.05 | Spongebob | direct rendering: no |
| 04:52.06 | guestish | Jambon: the ones* |
| 04:52.14 | guestish | Spongebob: you are using software only drivers |
| 04:52.23 | Spongebob | mmm |
| 04:52.31 | Stormfrog | peterS: cool |
| 04:52.40 | Stormfrog | trogger: that can come in handy aswell |
| 04:52.42 | Spongebob | how does one switch to hardware accelerated drivers |
| 04:52.56 | jacobsid | Spongebob software rendering. Review your /var/log/XFree86.0.log and your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:52.59 | Jambon | i know it's the best. but you see between college and stuf i don't have that much time to mess with his computer |
| 04:54.31 | rich_ | debian is the best because it has the best developers. It has the largest team of developers in the world. That resulted in it becomeing the easiest. |
| 04:54.40 | deadcat | $600 for a new ibook 800mhz a good deal? |
| 04:54.44 | soyuz | I've been having weird X config problems with the mouse. at 1024 cursor goes to the bottom at 800 into dead center? wassup with that? |
| 04:54.52 | mwilson | deadcat: Yes. |
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| 04:55.25 | quin_ | i don't think debian resulted in easiness, but rather convenience once you rtfm |
| 04:55.28 | deadcat | mwilson: ok. only cdrom though and 128mb ram only. not sure about airport yet. shes gonna check and tell me tomorrow. |
| 04:55.31 | guestish | Jambon: you dont need to justify yourself to me, just do whatever |
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| 04:56.22 | quin_ | heh that's strange, tty1 as a nick throws me off a little |
| 04:56.23 | mwilson | There were gen3 icebooks with cdrom only? |
| 04:56.38 | deadcat | mwilson: http://everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/stats/ibook_800_2.html |
| 04:56.43 | rich_ | quin_ Well when your alternative is something like cisco where you need to actually pay for certification to learn the secrets, thats easy. |
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| 04:56.49 | imad | hi, can anyone tell me what irc channel and server to go to for help on postgresql????? |
| 04:57.10 | rich_ | I mean reading the docs are easy |
| 04:57.14 | guestish | imad: #postgresql |
| 04:57.26 | jacobsid | Spongebob: Compare the X config between debian and knoppix. Compare lsmod. Verify that you're loading the right kernel module for your video card (if you're loading any at all) and that you're loading the right modules in XF86Config-4 in the "Module" section |
| 04:57.44 | Spongebob | kk jacobsid |
| 04:57.49 | Spongebob | il try again |
| 04:57.56 | imad | guestish: you make me look stupid :) thanks |
| 04:58.00 | guestish | np |
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| 04:58.18 | guestish | imad: always happy to make you look stupid ;) |
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| 04:59.13 | jacobsid | Spongebob sorry your having trouble. It's been several months since I've had trouble w/ X and hardware acceleration. I had been runing sid but I just re-installed testing onto this computer and for the most part everything went very well (no sound due to discover loading oss and alsa modules was annoying) |
| 04:59.20 | try_catch_this | it dosent recgonise the 256 module properly |
| 04:59.30 | try_catch_this | it shows up as 32 megs in the biso |
| 04:59.35 | try_catch_this | bios* |
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| 04:59.42 | guestish | try_catch_this: defective ram? |
| 04:59.55 | try_catch_this | I really doubt |
| 05:00.04 | guestish | try_catch_this: old bios? |
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| 05:00.07 | jacobsid | try_catch_this: old bios or mainboard? |
| 05:00.08 | quin_ | what card was spongebob using? |
| 05:00.10 | rich_ | When I was young I used the computers at stanford. Then I got a pc, and it didnt work like the computers I was used to. So I thought maybe I could connect to the computers at stanford and use them from home. I asked the people at the information desk how to do that and they gave me two choices. They said I could install slakware and they would support it. They gave me some floppies for windows and said if I use them Im on my own because com |
| 05:00.10 | rich_ | puter students better install slakware. I took the first choice. |
| 05:00.11 | guestish | try_catch_this: incompatible ram standards? |
| 05:00.11 | try_catch_this | if it were defective it wouldnt have been detected at all |
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| 05:00.23 | try_catch_this | old bios, and old main board |
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| 05:00.42 | try_catch_this | I need to make the new bios diskette from a win98 box |
| 05:00.43 | guestish | rich_: times have changed :) |
| 05:00.43 | jacobsid | quin_ trident Cyberblade XPAi1 (laptop) |
| 05:00.45 | Tres`ni | I seem to have lost the default Gnome cursors, they don't seem to be present in the gnome folder in /usr/share/icons/ |
| 05:00.56 | Tres`ni | Anyone got any ideas on what may have happened and how to get them back? |
| 05:01.00 | try_catch_this | I wouldnt dare trust wine to make a bios diskette for me |
| 05:01.00 | quin_ | rich_: thats actually quite amusing :) |
| 05:01.17 | trogger | Tres`ni: check your ~/.icons/ |
| 05:01.26 | quin_ | eek, trident. i had troubles even with a tgui vga |
| 05:01.44 | quin_ | couldn't even get 8bpp without corruption |
| 05:01.46 | Tres`ni | trogger: I did, I have no default, I get this really weird huge black icon that's kinda triangular |
| 05:02.04 | Tres`ni | and, it effecting all users, not just myself.. |
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| 05:02.18 | Tres`ni | (as in the Default gnome theme seems to be MIA) |
| 05:02.24 | trogger | Tres`ni: very weird |
| 05:02.25 | try_catch_this | memory shows up in linux as 191476 - (128+64) |
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| 05:02.45 | guestish | try_catch_this: might just be too old to support such large memory sticks |
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| 05:03.06 | try_catch_this | guestish: mabe the computer is just too old to use that much memory |
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| 05:03.11 | try_catch_this | exactly |
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| 05:03.23 | Tres`ni | trogger: I concure |
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| 05:03.33 | rich_ | quin_ well since then Ive tried hard to learn windows. Ive taken classes in it. Ive taken programing classes where everyone else used windows and I ended up haveing to use linux, and still passed the classes because Ive never been able to effectively use windows. The point is its a lot easier for people who know windows to switch to linux then it is for people who know linux to switch to windows. |
| 05:03.51 | jacobsid | try_catch_this: also bios memtest isn't very good. memtest86 is a nice program for testing, but I don't remember if it can work around bios limitations. |
| 05:03.55 | guestish | rich_: no kiddin? i would think its the reverse.. |
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| 05:04.10 | quin_ | me too |
| 05:04.16 | try_catch_this | the thing is that linux wont boot with the 256 module in it |
| 05:04.20 | guestish | rich_: linux has a much steeper learning curve |
| 05:04.29 | try_catch_this | it gave me some memory dump as it crashed |
| 05:04.56 | jacobsid | try_catch_this: what if you pass it the amount of memory? |
| 05:05.05 | rich_ | guestish Then why dont you see people who do it? I mean people switch to linux every day, how often have you met anyone who knew unix or linux first and switched to windows? Theres not many because its very difficult. |
| 05:05.19 | quin_ | probably because if you get into linux first, you fill your brain, whereas windows is kinda repetitive and mindless at times |
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| 05:05.43 | guestish | rich_: i thought its cause who would want to? windows is made for the computer illeriterate, people who actually can use linux effectively have no need for an OS like windows |
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| 05:05.58 | npx | Hi, which package sets the mixer to auto-mute? I did a dpkg-reconfigure -a a while back (cuz I was bored, christ i need a hobby) and seem to have fubarred my mixer settings |
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| 05:06.10 | trogger | npx: alsamixer ? |
| 05:06.13 | npx | guestish: games, thx |
| 05:06.21 | guestish | ??? |
| 05:06.28 | npx | trogger: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: alsamixer is not installed |
| 05:06.30 | guestish | i didnt say anything |
| 05:06.31 | Totient | what tool can measure I/O speed for MSD devices? |
| 05:06.35 | rich_ | guestish People might want to so they could take a class that used some teaching framework like boreland. But in my experience., they end up useing gcc, and passing anyway :) |
| 05:06.39 | Tres`ni | trogger: Could the /usr/X11/lib/X11/icons/default be overriding the /usr/share/icons/default? |
| 05:06.58 | try_catch_this | guestish: "windows is made for the computer illeriterate" baaaaaawwwwaaaaaa hahahahahahahahahahah |
| 05:07.03 | npx | guestish: You said people who could use linux have no need for windows, but I <3 starcraft so it's installed anyways |
| 05:07.05 | Tres`ni | (though the index.theme in X11/icons/default is just inherit=Core |
| 05:07.06 | guestish | try_catch_this: ? |
| 05:07.10 | guestish | npx: oh, heh |
| 05:07.12 | try_catch_this | too funny |
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| 05:07.15 | guestish | npx: true enough |
| 05:07.20 | quin_ | npx: it's just an init.d script run at boot by 'aumix' |
| 05:07.26 | trogger | Tres`ni: I don't know |
| 05:07.26 | evol | if you want windows get a mac |
| 05:07.26 | npx | quin_: thanks |
| 05:07.28 | guestish | try_catch_this: its true |
| 05:07.37 | try_catch_this | matter of oppinion |
| 05:07.48 | try_catch_this | I just happen to disagree |
| 05:08.20 | poleHom | can i use synaptic to prune out orphaned packages? |
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| 05:08.29 | jacobsid | try_catch_this: so does booting with mem=348M work? |
| 05:08.34 | poleHom | i have way too little space left... and i just want to go delete crap i dont use anymore |
| 05:08.45 | guestish | try_catch_this: windows is simplistic compared to linux |
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| 05:09.20 | try_catch_this | jacobsid: I will try that after I install 98 on a seperate partition and make a boot disk for the bios I downloaded |
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| 05:09.27 | guestish | try_catch_this: for some power users i suppose this makes it harder, but most just want to be able to click on an icon and open a program |
| 05:09.45 | quin_ | poleHom: tried and apt-get clean ? |
| 05:09.47 | try_catch_this | "windows is simplistic compared to linux" yes very much so, so simplistic infact that a 5 year old could you it |
| 05:09.53 | quin_ | s/and/an/ |
| 05:09.55 | g4lt | guestish no, they don't even want to click on an icon.... |
| 05:09.57 | try_catch_this | use it* |
| 05:10.00 | poleHom | quin_, all the time... |
| 05:10.08 | guestish | try_catch_this: which is why its easier to use |
| 05:10.15 | guestish | g4lt: most dont mind :) |
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| 05:10.31 | try_catch_this | low learning curve |
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| 05:10.50 | jacobsid | poleHom I don't use synaptic enough to be sure, but aptitude has options to clean the package cache. deborphan can give you a list of unused libraries. |
| 05:11.17 | poleHom | jacobsid, thanks.. i think i was just looking for deborphan |
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| 05:11.26 | jacobsid | try_catch_this that's annoying to have to have windows to flash bios. |
| 05:11.32 | rich_ | I like to click on an icon and open a program. Well Only when I can have different icons that open it for different urls. But I like to have that ability and I have it, with linux. Windows users like to say that they just feel comfortable with the windows gui, well the unix gui is way way more standardised, and it can be set up so you get to click and drag whatever you want to click and drag |
| 05:11.35 | try_catch_this | jacobsid: also I dont know if my motherboard can cache that much memory |
| 05:11.53 | quin_ | btw, why does apt have super cow powers? |
| 05:11.57 | try_catch_this | jacobsid: tell that to IBM, they are the ones who made the bios |
| 05:12.10 | jacobsid | try_catch_this: I'd give it a go, that parameter was added to help with the situation your dealing with. It just costs a reboot to see :) |
| 05:12.26 | try_catch_this | but the 256 module isnt even in |
| 05:12.39 | try_catch_this | I have to turn off the computer to put it in |
| 05:12.41 | quin_ | !cow |
| 05:12.41 | dpkg | cow is, like, a Turing complete language at http://www.bigzaphod.org/cow/ |
| 05:12.53 | jharrison | I need some advice |
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| 05:13.01 | quin_ | ooh turing |
| 05:13.22 | jharrison | ive just rebuilt kdenetwork to fix a bug with krdc/rdesktop which requried a patch for rdesktop |
| 05:13.49 | quin_ | has anyone else had major problems with nvidia and xfree86 on kernel 2.8 |
| 05:13.52 | jacobsid | poleHom: np. I've been getting friendly with LVM for more and more disk space lately. Keep it in mind for your next upgrade. :) |
| 05:13.57 | poleHom | dpkg --purge `deborphan` |
| 05:13.57 | dpkg | poleHom: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:13.58 | try_catch_this | jacobsid: thanks for your concern, I will try that later though |
| 05:13.59 | jharrison | the previous krdc conficted with rdesktop so I removed the conflict and installed the new krdc and the patched rdesktop |
| 05:13.59 | poleHom | is that a good idea? |
| 05:14.11 | jharrison | krdc seems to depend on rdesktop |
| 05:14.21 | Stormfrog | Now my xserver complains about "failed to initialize core devices"? What does that mean?? |
| 05:14.30 | jharrison | should I make rdesktop a recommended of krdc or a depend |
| 05:14.31 | poleHom | jacobsid, what do you mean by LVM? |
| 05:14.37 | jharrison | ? |
| 05:14.39 | jacobsid | try_catch_this: np. Just seemed like a lot of work for a bios update. Too bad you cant extract it w/ wine or something :) |
| 05:14.55 | try_catch_this | I would risk doing that with wine :) |
| 05:15.01 | quin_ | Stormfrog: couldn't open the default mouse or keyboard, and allow*openfail isnt true. |
| 05:15.19 | try_catch_this | would not* |
| 05:15.28 | guestish | rich_: i stand by my statement :) |
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| 05:15.46 | guestish | rich_: WMs such as fvwm are infinitely more customizable, but it takes much more knowledge to do it |
| 05:15.59 | jacobsid | try_catch_this I wouldn't flash a bios from in windows. :P dos boot flopy for me. |
| 05:16.01 | peterS | poleHom: LVM == Logical Volume Manager. a subsystem for use with Linux (modeled after similar ones for other Unix versions) for managing partitions and filesystems |
| 05:16.13 | takatumi | how can I see the other screen session windows ssh'd through putty? ctrl a " shows me only 1, but I do have a few on my machine running at home |
| 05:16.22 | simonrvn | quin_: apt-get moo |
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| 05:16.45 | The_Vulture | takatumi: perhaps you started a new screen session instead of reconnecting to an existing one |
| 05:16.54 | quin_ | omg, heh, moo is such a virus over the net :D |
| 05:16.54 | The_Vulture | screen -ls will show you th screen sessions that are open |
| 05:16.58 | quin_ | !moo |
| 05:16.58 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 05:16.58 | guestish | night all |
| 05:17.04 | jacobsid | poleHom: It's nice since it allows you to repartition or even resize partitions while the system is running (since they aren't bios parittions). I'm still not brave enough to lvm / (root) but the rest is becoming fair game. |
| 05:17.11 | peterS | poleHom: basically with LVM, instead of partitions, you have "volume groups". think of a volume group as a simple filesystem that can hold *other filesystems*, rather than files. you can create, delete, and resize these filesystems, without repartitioning anything |
| 05:17.14 | quin_ | rofl |
| 05:17.25 | guestish | poleHom: its BSD slices |
| 05:17.26 | takatumi | The_Vulture: I attached to this one with a screen -dr, and thats how I am chatting via irssi |
| 05:17.26 | The_Vulture | screen -dr <session id> will connect to one (you might want to kill your current one first) if there's only one screen session you don't need to specify the sessionid |
| 05:17.37 | try_catch_this | to think that the ram I have lying about the place once costed 100's of dollars, and I can get it for free now |
| 05:17.43 | poleHom | so, is LVM have any performancnce hits? |
| 05:17.46 | The_Vulture | takatumi: then that's probably all you've got.. one screen session with one window.. |
| 05:17.50 | xixor | Hey everyone. The FAT and VFAT modules I load in my kernel give errors about being unable to load codepage cp437, and subsequently I cannot mount my VFAT partitions. Inside .config there are about 2 or 3 dozen different NLS codepages to specify, how do you pick which one to satisfy? |
| 05:17.58 | The_Vulture | takatumi: screen -ls shows only one entry? which is the currrently connected one? |
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| 05:19.13 | takatumi | The_Vulture: yes, maybe I am just mistaken, apt-get distupgrade in running though, maybe not in a screen session, just wanted to check up |
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| 05:19.26 | jacobsid | poleHom: It does add an additonal abstration layer - just like it being better to run swap on it's own partition vs a file on a partition it costs a little to run on LVM (no idea how much the cost is, it seems to do quite well) |
| 05:19.28 | takatumi | s/in/is |
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| 05:20.03 | poleHom | jacobsid, i will definitely look into this the next time i redo my system... or try it out in vmware |
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| 05:20.43 | Stormfrog | *zzz* |
| 05:20.45 | jacobsid | poleHom: I find that with a 120G drive I don't need it all today, and I don't know where I'll need it tomorrow so I allocate generaously what I need and know that I can grow (even across disk) tomorrow without needing to copy files all over. |
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| 05:21.13 | poleHom | jacobsid, yes, this sounds too good to be true! why havent i heard of it before now? |
| 05:22.20 | tty1 | quin_ -> :) |
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| 05:23.03 | jacobsid | poleHom: *shrug* It's maturing. I wasn't willing to use it so much in 2.4. I feel much better with it on lvm2 and 2.6 kernels. File systems are supporting it more and more. Be careful on your choices though. Not all filesystems shrink (xfs doesn't) and some can grow without unmounting while others have to be unmounted to change sizes. Keep that in mind when you allocate space. |
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| 05:24.00 | SNIa | any other decent 3d games besides tux racer? |
| 05:24.12 | daniels | ut? |
| 05:24.19 | peterS | poleHom: dunno why you haven't heard of it before now. it's been around since around 1998, I think. I don't remember having any troubles with it, except for upgrading kernel patches and userspace tools at the same time, which was a pain, back before it stabilized |
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| 05:24.23 | jacobsid | poleHom: Like I said I do swap and / on their own partitions and then lvm the rest of the disk (nicely supported by debian-installer by the way) allocaing 2G or so chunks for /home /usr and /var (well 4G for a desktop in /usr). Lots of space to grow into later even on my 80G drive with 16G to windos. |
| 05:24.24 | scarynetworkguy | , |
| 05:24.30 | SNIa | there a ut debian package? i'm guessing its a demo? |
| 05:24.42 | try_catch_this | what program do i use to watch the otherpersons desktop across an lan? |
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| 05:25.27 | jm_ | xtv |
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| 05:25.49 | poleHom | jacobsid, so i can also make multiple drives into one logical drive? |
| 05:26.05 | peterS | poleHom: yes |
| 05:26.17 | poleHom | hell yeah |
| 05:26.21 | peterS | poleHom: you partition a drive, then format a partition as a "physical volume" (PV) |
| 05:26.23 | poleHom | without using raid? |
| 05:26.30 | peterS | poleHom: then you stick PVs together into a "volume group" (VG) |
| 05:26.37 | peterS | poleHom: Volume Groups are what you allocate filesystems inside |
| 05:26.44 | jacobsid | poleHom: Ya pretty cool huh. You can even move stuff around from disk to disk as a volume group and it's mostly transparent to the users. |
| 05:26.57 | poleHom | wow, this is too cool |
| 05:26.58 | peterS | poleHom: actually what you allocate are "logical volumes", which you then put filesystems on. |
| 05:27.08 | jm_ | heh all these solutions use different terminology |
| 05:27.10 | jacobsid | peterS: Thanks for that correction |
| 05:27.19 | jm_ | that sounds much like AIX |
| 05:27.23 | jm_ | which is not surprising |
| 05:27.29 | poleHom | so i can migrate my current filesystem to LVM while it is running? |
| 05:27.31 | peterS | jm_: yes, quite |
| 05:27.55 | peterS | jm_: the user interface is a bit like AIX, but much more like HP-UX, because that's what Heinz Mauelshagen patterned it after |
| 05:28.12 | g4lt | those who do not study history are destined to reinvent unix, badly |
| 05:28.16 | jacobsid | poleHom no. You can move where logical volumes are on physical volumes. Getting it to a LVM in the first place requires copying (as far as I know) |
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| 05:28.48 | jm_ | peterS: hmm all I know is that resizing file systems on HP-UX is a nightmare compared to AIX |
| 05:28.48 | peterS | poleHom: you can copy data into a filesystem that's on a logical volume inside a volume group, but you can't just change your layout "in place", if you don't have additional disk space |
| 05:28.51 | poleHom | jacobsid, i see... i'm up for a hdd addition soon, so i guess i can copy it all to a new drive and then covert my current drives after that |
| 05:29.08 | peterS | jm_: yes, that's one thing AIX definitely got right. Assuming, of course, that you do *not* ever have to shrink a filesystem |
| 05:29.22 | jm_ | peterS: indeed |
| 05:29.29 | g4lt | peterS awww, smit 0wnz you ;P |
| 05:29.44 | peterS | poleHom: here's what you can do: create a PV partition on your new drive, make a VG that uses that PV, then create a filesystem or two inside that, and copy all your data into that |
| 05:30.01 | peterS | poleHom: *then* blow away your existing partitions (except the root partition - LVM + root partition is still a pain, so I don't recommend it) on your existing drive |
| 05:30.18 | peterS | poleHom: *then* create a PV partition on your existing drive, and extend the VG to encompass that PV |
| 05:30.24 | jacobsid | poleHom ditto peterS |
| 05:30.30 | peterS | poleHom: this will require a reboot or two, most likely, but by the end of it you have a big pool of space |
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| 05:30.47 | poleHom | awesome... i'm goinng to have to do this once i find a good deal on techbargains |
| 05:31.02 | rich_ | I like one partition for one hard drive. But only if you have plenty of ram, no users and no public servers |
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| 05:31.08 | poleHom | so the sid kernel has LVM support, right? |
| 05:31.10 | jacobsid | poleHom when I add drives (not replace) I now add them as a whole physical volume. No 'normal' partitions. |
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| 05:31.44 | jacobsid | poleHom testing/sid (kernel 2.6). debian-installer supports setting up LVM from the get-go |
| 05:32.13 | jacobsid | poleHom install lvm2 and discover and 2.6.x kernel |
| 05:32.22 | try_catch_this | ummm xtv may not exactly be what I want |
| 05:32.34 | try_catch_this | I need to beable to controll the other computer too |
| 05:32.42 | try_catch_this | think ssh -X on steroids |
| 05:32.45 | poleHom | jacobsid, thanks for the info... i cant use this till i get a new drive though... |
| 05:33.37 | jacobsid | poleHom: np. Something to keep in your bag of tricks. |
| 05:33.52 | poleHom | sounds great |
| 05:34.06 | poleHom | i never knew hard drive upgrades could be so easy |
| 05:35.47 | peterS | poleHom: a bit of history so you won't be confused here: LVM went through 10 incompatible versions of userspace tools, long ago when it was first being developed. hence, Debian has packaged 'lvm8', 'lvm9' and 'lvm10' - the latter is what is used on older 2.4 kernels |
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| 05:36.24 | peterS | poleHom: then with 2.6, the LVM people rethought their approach and converted to a different kernel approach called "device mapper" or "dm". the corresponding userspace tools are known as "lvm2" now. |
| 05:36.55 | peterS | poleHom: newer Debian 2.4 kernels support 'dm' as well, so you can use either lvm10 or lvm2 on those |
| 05:37.09 | peterS | poleHom: that's why 'lvm2' is actually newer than 'lvm10', which may seem a bit confusing |
| 05:37.23 | simonrvn | that still scares the shit out of me, lvm* that is |
| 05:37.27 | jacobsid | poleHom: On that thought I prefer to create lvm's from scratch with lvm2/kernel2.6 rather than make them on lvm10/kernel2.4 and upgrade. That also works but does the /dev naming differently. Lost me once. |
| 05:37.36 | deadcat | any ibook owners here and have trouble with the "ibook login board recall" thing? |
| 05:37.39 | poleHom | i see... i'm already using the 2.6.8 kernel in sid... |
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| 05:37.56 | tty1 | does anyoen know how to extract the initrd and then repackage it? the howto's arent being too helpful today |
| 05:38.23 | jacobsid | poleHom: also as peterS says it does work on 2.4. I'm just fixated on 2.6 for it's other improvements :) |
| 05:38.42 | poleHom | i wont be goinng back to 2.4.x anytime soon ^_^ |
| 05:39.23 | peterS | jacobsid: heh, there is that. but yeah, Debian has patched dm into its 2.4 kernels for awhile now, so 'lvm2' should be all anyone on sid / sarge needs |
| 05:40.33 | peterS | poleHom: if you *do* think you'll be trying to boot an older 2.4 kernel, you can always install *both* lvm10 and lvm2. the system knows how to auto-select the compatible tool when needed. |
| 05:40.42 | jacobsid | simonrvn: i'm no longer scared of lvm. I use to be vary wary of it, as I was wary of 'new' ;) filesystems other than ext2/3. It's still not reccomended for production but I use it there anyway and am ready with backups to pick up the pieces. |
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| 05:41.16 | poleHom | what FS is the recommended one for use with LVM? |
| 05:41.25 | poleHom | i would prefer something non ext2/3 |
| 05:41.38 | vegai | I think everything works |
| 05:41.58 | yxa | what pack is ldconfig and start-stop-daemon in? I dont seem to have it |
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| 05:42.14 | peterS | poleHom: any FS will work. the question is whether a FS can be resized easily, and if so, whether it can be done without unmounting |
| 05:42.41 | peterS | poleHom: *those* factors sort of magnify the convenience of running inside an LVM, but they're not really *necessary* |
| 05:42.41 | poleHom | peterS, so which ones resize the best/easily? |
| 05:42.44 | simonrvn | see, i'm in a position where i can't experiment with it. i'll use xfs, but where something is effectively wholly dependent on s/w for the partitioning scheme, i just can't do. at least "the old way" i know what's there, and how to do deal with any breakage |
| 05:43.06 | peterS | poleHom: pretty much any fs can be resized if it's not mounted, I *think*. I don't have a complete list in my head |
| 05:43.08 | tty1 | does anyoen know how to extract the initrd and then repackage it? the howto's arent being too helpful today |
| 05:43.24 | simonrvn | yxa: s-s-d is in dpkg and ldconfig i think is in libc6 or some other package |
| 05:43.24 | jacobsid | poleHom: the LVM howto covers some filesystems under the resizing sections. I try to not overallocate by too much so I don't care that XFS doesn't shrink. That may be a reason to not use XFS on LVM for others. |
| 05:43.26 | Penix | iirc xfs can be grown without remounting |
| 05:43.26 | peterS | poleHom: I think JFS and XFS can be enlarged without unmounting, but not made smaller |
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| 05:43.55 | peterS | poleHom: as for ext2/ext3, Andreas Dilger wrote a patch *many* years ago for online resizing, but it has never been integrated |
| 05:44.18 | poleHom | cool |
| 05:44.25 | peterS | Penix: good to hear confirmation. I had heard this but not really firsthand |
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| 05:45.02 | peterS | Penix: a bit ironic, given the sad state of LVM-like capabilities in IRIX |
| 05:45.13 | jacobsid | Penix: Thanks for the correction if I said XFS must be unmounted to be resized earlier. It must be mounted. |
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| 05:47.02 | abhisawa | guys i have two users one is "abcdefghij" and "abcdefgh" , in ls command i get abcdefgh only for any file owned by one of these user |
| 05:47.16 | abhisawa | how would i know exact file owner ? |
| 05:47.18 | yxa | simonrvn cant believe they are not installed by default |
| 05:47.27 | SNIa | user id |
| 05:47.28 | simonrvn | yxa: uh, they are |
| 05:47.29 | jacobsid | i've started using a mixed bag of file systems just to know them first hand. |
| 05:47.53 | jm_ | abhisawa: ls -ln |
| 05:48.22 | Penix | I think I'll go with a jfs /home when I buy a new disk |
| 05:48.54 | poleHom | anyone have any generic debian tips on how to clean up years of crufty packages laying around on the system? |
| 05:48.56 | Penix | I always seem to feel safer using jfs for something important |
| 05:49.30 | abhisawa | thnxs jm_ |
| 05:49.34 | simonrvn | does the newer jfs code support quotas? |
| 05:49.45 | simonrvn | (2.6.x kernels) |
| 05:49.53 | jacobsid | poleHom deborphan didn't clear up enough? How about looking at the obsolete packages section in aptitude. |
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| 05:50.19 | simonrvn | never mind, i'll just go do some grepping |
| 05:50.29 | Penix | simonrvn: I don't think so |
| 05:50.31 | Penix | simonrvn: not sure though |
| 05:50.32 | jacobsid | I'd like to start using extended attributes on file systems like security attributes and custom file attributes. |
| 05:50.33 | poleHom | jacobsid, yes, dpkg --purge `deborphan` cleared up a hundred megs or so... but i'm still close to being full |
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| 05:50.49 | Penix | I've never had a need for quotas though, so it's not a problem for me |
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| 05:51.24 | simonrvn | super.c:262: /* Silently ignore the quota options */ |
| 05:51.29 | try_catch_this | I have 2 10mega bit nics, I was wondering what program I could use to get the "real" speed of the nics, which I know is probally much less |
| 05:51.34 | simonrvn | fs/jfs/ |
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| 05:52.00 | RexDart | alrighty, trying to install debian from a cd |
| 05:52.01 | simonrvn | that's debian-patched 2.6.8.1 (debian 2.6.8) |
| 05:52.01 | try_catch_this | 10 mbits is max theoritical bust speed correct? |
| 05:52.24 | RexDart | I think this cd's a bit old though, doesn't appear to have support for anything newer than ext2 (listed as linux: type 83) |
| 05:52.37 | RexDart | it uses cfdisk for partitioning |
| 05:52.43 | RexDart | just an old disc? |
| 05:52.43 | jacobsid | try_catch_this: You're trying to measure against noisy lines and collisions and stuff? Plus remember there's the transport protocol overhead (likely IP) that takes some percent. |
| 05:52.46 | simonrvn | it does handle them, AFAICT, but i'll keep looking |
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| 05:53.10 | Penix | my guts feel like what david crosby looks like |
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| 05:53.25 | simonrvn | it does do POSIX ACLs |
| 05:53.27 | jacobsid | RexDart you can make the partition type 'linux' and format it as some linux supported fylesystem. You just need linux and swap types. |
| 05:53.28 | spdf | black? |
| 05:53.54 | yxa | it seems that root logging into a bash shell using ssh2 doest source /etc/profile by default. is that normal? |
| 05:53.55 | spdf | Wait, that's Bill.. |
| 05:54.00 | RexDart | that's apparently all I can do, man. |
| 05:54.09 | RexDart | but I don't see any way to do ext3 or reiser |
| 05:54.17 | RexDart | I'm new to debian though :P |
| 05:54.44 | simonrvn | "JFS: resize requires volume to be mounted read-write\n"); |
| 05:54.45 | spdf | RexDart: You don't set the fs type in cfdisk.. |
| 05:55.01 | RexDart | where do I do that then? |
| 05:55.02 | jacobsid | RexDart Are you at the create a partition stage (I think so) or the pick your partition formats stage? I'd grab the new debian-installer if you can. |
| 05:55.14 | RexDart | where can I find the new debian installer? |
| 05:55.18 | jacobsid | simonrvn: sounds like XFS |
| 05:55.20 | Penix | RexDart: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 05:55.23 | spdf | RexDart: After you partition the disk.. |
| 05:55.28 | simonrvn | jacobsid: this is still jfs |
| 05:55.37 | SNIa | I got to say, ever since I started to play around with Linux, i've gotten less excercize |
| 05:55.49 | RexDart | so I partition with type 82 and 83, then at what point do I make the filesystem? |
| 05:55.53 | spdf | SNIa: You're being assimilated :) |
| 05:55.56 | jacobsid | simonrvn: nod. I was commenting that it and xfs seem to share that requirement. |
| 05:56.05 | Penix | 100% 9705KB 1.9MB/s |
| 05:56.07 | simonrvn | ah, yeh |
| 05:56.08 | Penix | pathetic |
| 05:56.09 | SNIa | spdf: heh, you can say that |
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| 05:56.35 | RexDart | If it matters, here's what I see in the readme of the cd I made: Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r2 "Woody" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD |
| 05:56.36 | Penix | even now that I've got a fscking switch I still get stupid speeds |
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| 05:56.39 | jacobsid | RexDart It will ask you what filesystems you want to use after you make the partitions. |
| 05:57.08 | RexDart | jacobsid, I don't recall any such prompt.. |
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| 05:57.15 | try_catch_this | jacobsid: the most I have seen is 56k, this is way less than 10mbits, want something to push it to the max |
| 05:57.22 | RexDart | just made 'em, then went straight to the next step of picking modules |
| 05:57.27 | jacobsid | RexDart Should work fine. 3.0 r3 would of course be newer, but as long as you say yes to getting security updates you should be OK |
| 05:57.45 | RexDart | okay, no need for a new debian installer? |
| 05:58.23 | erevly[a] | try_catch_this: you can try bwmon.sourceforge.net |
| 05:58.29 | erevly[a] | shows nic usage in real-time |
| 05:58.30 | Penix | can't believe I wasted a 700mb cdr by writing an 11mb freedos iso to it |
| 05:58.33 | jacobsid | RexDart after you partition and say "OK I'm done partitioning" (I normally reboot at that point) it should ask you to assign mount points and what filesystems you want to use |
| 05:58.41 | Penix | need to buy some of those little mini cdrs |
| 05:58.45 | dondelelcaro | Penix: $0.12 down the drain... |
| 05:58.50 | RexDart | It only asked for mount points |
| 05:58.55 | erevly[a] | Penix: buisness card cdrs ;p |
| 05:59.05 | Penix | dondelelcaro: wouldn't mind so much, but it was my last one |
| 05:59.07 | dondelelcaro | Penix: although, I think those mini-cdrs might actually be more expensive... at least, they were at some point. |
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| 05:59.19 | try_catch_this | erevly[a]: I have a nic mon already, I want something to test the connection |
| 05:59.40 | Penix | dondelelcaro: I think I've seen 10 packs for a couple of dollars more than regular ones |
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| 06:00.05 | jacobsid | try_catch_this eww. Maybe try ntop while you transfer files around? You could also use mrtg but that seems like overkill. |
| 06:00.09 | Penix | obviously it'd probably be easier to buy full ones, but I always feel bad about wasting so much space |
| 06:00.28 | spdf | Penix: buy a cheap usb drive.. |
| 06:00.28 | jacobsid | RexDart after that it should ask for partition types |
| 06:00.28 | try_catch_this | also, when I ping my average time is 0.4 ms, this is dam high for 2 computers 3 feet apart |
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| 06:00.47 | jacobsid | RexDart I mean filesystem types |
| 06:00.47 | try_catch_this | I rember playing quake against people that had 0 pings |
| 06:00.47 | RexDart | jacobsid, I sure don't remember seeing anything like that. |
| 06:00.56 | spdf | Penix: 32mn thumb drive for $10.. |
| 06:01.01 | RexDart | We're talking about the blue text screen with the red "popup" with the suggested mount points, right? |
| 06:01.01 | jacobsid | Penix: I wrote my last debian-installer to a mini cdrw |
| 06:01.10 | jacobsid | RexDart what is it asking you now? |
| 06:01.12 | dondelelcaro | Penix: yeah, looks like $47 vs $25 |
| 06:01.17 | hard_disk | Whats the partitiontool in linux? |
| 06:01.19 | dondelelcaro | Penix: at least, in the 100 pack size... |
| 06:01.22 | jacobsid | RexDart it can't install files until it formats partitions that you just created. |
| 06:01.39 | RexDart | well, then I assume it went straight on with ext2 without asking me |
| 06:01.51 | RexDart | I dunno |
| 06:01.52 | jacobsid | RexDart is it copying files to the disk? |
| 06:01.58 | hard_disk | please? |
| 06:01.59 | try_catch_this | hard_disk: cfdisk, but its dangreous if you dont know what you are doing |
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| 06:02.10 | RexDart | I'm going to reboot, put the other hard drive in and start over |
| 06:02.11 | try_catch_this | so ask for alternatives |
| 06:02.13 | RexDart | what should I look for? |
| 06:02.26 | try_catch_this | hard_disk: also try qtparted |
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| 06:02.31 | soth` | talking of partitions, there any free software thats good at resizing partitions? |
| 06:02.38 | RexDart | (I'm using this same pc to install debian on a 2GB hdd for my tablet pc that has no external drives) |
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| 06:02.43 | try_catch_this | qtparted |
| 06:02.43 | SNIa | is there a gnome version of parted? |
| 06:02.53 | RexDart | no bootable floppy, no cdrom |
| 06:02.54 | hard_disk | thanks.. :) i will tell if i broke my system :) |
| 06:03.00 | try_catch_this | it can resize ntfs, but back up your data first! |
| 06:03.19 | try_catch_this | :) |
| 06:03.24 | directhex | qtparted can't do much unless you install all the Recoomends too |
| 06:03.25 | zakame | hello! what's a good blogging elisp for emacs? |
| 06:04.22 | jacobsid | I think it's equally annoying to have five pages of accessories first before the item there or on ebay. |
| 06:04.47 | dondelelcaro | jacobsid: that's why you usually enter the exact item that you're looking for... it cuts out most of the crap |
| 06:05.50 | jacobsid | most is a good key word. Sometimes the model number doesnt' filter it all. Ebay: "works with model #" |
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| 06:09.03 | erevly[a] | in sarge, how can you set the x server to accept remote connections? (xdmcp) |
| 06:09.07 | SNIa | where are your xscreensavers located? |
| 06:09.12 | jacobsid | RexDart: good luck with the install. Watch for a question like "What filesystem would you like to use" Ext2 is the default/selected option. It should ask you this for each partition you create and assign a mount point to. |
| 06:09.15 | SNIa | I'd like to have one where it is my wallpaper |
| 06:09.26 | dondelelcaro | erevly[a]: I'd strongly recommend against it, but xdmcp is a function of your display manager. |
| 06:09.50 | dondelelcaro | erevly[a]: for most things you're better off using X tunneled through ssh. |
| 06:10.06 | erevly[a] | why would you recommend against it? |
| 06:10.09 | RexDart | jacobsid, I'm still pretty sure it never asked anything like that. You said I'm supposed to create partitions, then reboot? |
| 06:10.13 | dondelelcaro | erevly[a]: uh, because it's not terribly secure. |
| 06:10.14 | erevly[a] | say it was on a secure network. |
| 06:10.26 | dondelelcaro | erevly[a]: and no network is really secure. |
| 06:10.38 | scarynetworkguy | erevly[a]: no you *still* don't do insecure things |
| 06:10.45 | g4lt | erevly[a] the password goes over in the [relatively] clear.... |
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| 06:10.54 | erevly[a] | if it's so insecure |
| 06:10.57 | erevly[a] | why is it supported? |
| 06:11.01 | erevly[a] | :> |
| 06:11.08 | zakame | has anyone run 2.6.9-rc2-mm4 with the nvidia glx drivers |
| 06:11.11 | zakame | ? |
| 06:11.12 | g4lt | it isn't really in Debian.... |
| 06:11.12 | dondelelcaro | erevly[a]: unless you specifically need xdmcp, and ssh through X, or LDAP, or NIS won't work, you shouldn't use it. |
| 06:11.17 | jacobsid | RexDart I don't know if you have to reboot, I don't know if the installer re-syncs the partition table so out of habit I reboot after creating it. The new installer seems to go just fine without rebooting there. |
| 06:11.28 | dondelelcaro | erevly[a]: same reason why telnetd is present. |
| 06:11.38 | dondelelcaro | erevly[a]: no sane person uses it, but it's there just in case you need it. Same thing with ftp. |
| 06:11.39 | RexDart | jacobsid, what installer do you suggest I use then? |
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| 06:12.08 | jacobsid | RexDart I really like debian-installer release canidate 1. |
| 06:12.12 | dondelelcaro | well, ftp with real accounts anyway... anonymous ftp is something totally different. |
| 06:12.12 | erevly[a] | dondelelcaro: alright, thanks :o |
| 06:12.27 | g4lt | erevly[a] go talk to the Debian X maintainers about how well it's supported: you'll find the answer is "very little" |
| 06:12.27 | RexDart | What asks me to create the filesystem...how about that. Is it simply the next step of the install script? |
| 06:12.28 | bharat | hi, all. I just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.8-1 to 2.6.8-3 (among other things -- big aptitude session) and after rebooting, the SCSI drives on my box no longer show up in dmesg, nor are they accessible in any way. Anybody have any ideas on how I can get them back? |
| 06:12.45 | jacobsid | RexDart just type /msg dpkg debian-installer |
| 06:13.17 | RexDart | okay |
| 06:13.37 | jacobsid | I don't care for even anonymous ftp. |
| 06:13.56 | dondelelcaro | jacobsid: it has it's place... |
| 06:14.21 | jacobsid | dondelecaro Somewhere I guess. tftp has it's place - as a bootloader :) |
| 06:15.37 | erevly[a] | tftp for cisco routers :/ |
| 06:15.42 | RexDart | yep |
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| 06:15.54 | jacobsid | HTTP/1.1 is a great anonymous ftp for me. |
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| 06:16.28 | jacobsid | bharat does lsmod show scsi modules? |
| 06:16.30 | tty1 | can anyone tell me how i can extract the initrd (so i can edit oen of the files int here) and then repackage it? ive looked everywhere and cant figure it out.. but i did this before so i knwo it is poissible.. please.. any help is apreciated. |
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| 06:16.41 | NuBus-PPC | How reliable is lmsensors output, generally? I have an nforce2 board here, and sensors-detect has detected a bunch of chips on the nforce2 bus. That's cool - and I'm getting output from them. It just seems a bit... off. One of the cpu temps doesn't quite correspond to the temperatures the bios is showing, and the other (from another chip's driver) shows a static number. (this is on kernel 2.6.7, under sarge) |
| 06:17.01 | bharat | jacobsid: thanks for helping. yes, it shows scsi_mod (... aic7xxx, sd_mod) |
| 06:17.14 | Shaun2 | anybody know how to copy one file system to another and preserve everything... right now i'm having issues with it keeping hardlinks |
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| 06:17.32 | simonrvn | tty1: did you think of looking in the initrd-tools docs? ... |
| 06:17.32 | dondelelcaro | NuBus-PPC: it shows what the chip is reporting. It may not correspond with reality, because not every motherboard uses the same formulas for the chips or hooks them up to the same thermocouple or whatever. |
| 06:17.38 | jacobsid | Shaun2 rsync (must be other solutions too) |
| 06:17.40 | hard_disk | ok.. i have partitioned my hard disk.. how i can make it work now?.. some formatting maybe? |
| 06:17.53 | hard_disk | how will i init it as an ext2 system? |
| 06:17.59 | tty1 | simonrvn -> nope.. didnt even know abotu it |
| 06:18.17 | simonrvn | tty1: dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 06:18.23 | RexDart | hard_disk, if you're doing it all manually I think it's mkfs |
| 06:18.28 | jacobsid | bharat: hmm. but they aren't in dmsg... It should talk about them when the module loads. How about rmmoding them and modprobing them? (your main disk isn't scsi I take it?) |
| 06:18.32 | RexDart | but then again I can't even get the installer to work so don't listen to me :P |
| 06:18.34 | hard_disk | rexdart, whats the better way then? |
| 06:18.35 | tty1 | simonrvn -> is there a perticualr command int here i should looka t? |
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| 06:18.43 | RexDart | hell if I know |
| 06:18.46 | NuBus-PPC | dondelelcaro: that's fair. atm I'm running it through a bit of a mental conversion :) |
| 06:18.46 | bharat | jacobsid: good idea. my main drive is ide, so I'll try that |
| 06:19.22 | dondelelcaro | NuBus-PPC: you can modify your lmsensors config to put the data into more "realistic" numbers... but it's pretty hard to get it really accurate. |
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| 06:19.22 | jacobsid | bharat after that try mounting by hand |
| 06:19.32 | bharat | jacobsid: ok, I rmmod'd aic7xx, sd_mod and scsi_mod |
| 06:19.33 | jacobsid | bharat then google for the error if you get one. |
| 06:19.35 | simonrvn | tty1: read the docs, i don't know |
| 06:20.00 | tty1 | simonp -> alright |
| 06:20.09 | RexDart | alright, I've got the net installation cd |
| 06:20.12 | simonrvn | grr, simonrvn, not simonp |
| 06:20.24 | jacobsid | hard_disk you're using the Debian 3.0 installer? It just walked you through cfdisk to partition? What does it say now? |
| 06:20.26 | RexDart | I'm going to reboot, let's hope it recognizes the onboard NICs of my nforce2 board |
| 06:20.39 | bharat | jacobsid: no joy. no error messages, either |
| 06:20.46 | simonrvn | simonp: i apologise on behalf of all the people that mis-tab completed you instead of me |
| 06:20.47 | tty1 | simonrvn -> sorry |
| 06:20.58 | RexDart | jacobsid, thanks for your help |
| 06:21.02 | NuBus-PPC | dondelelcaro: aye - I looked in there, but thought I'd leave it alone until I'd peeked further at what usually happens with these things. It's my first play with an x86 in -years- =) |
| 06:21.10 | simonrvn | when you get it at least 3-5 times a day it gets annoying |
| 06:21.12 | jacobsid | bharat I know some scsi stuff got changed with 2.6.8 but nothing for mounting afaik. |
| 06:21.13 | bharat | jacobsid: is there an easy way to roll back to an older kernel? |
| 06:21.23 | Fpanel | i deleted the nobody user and when i try installing fam it says an error msg that there is no nobody usr when i try adding one it says i need a pass work and then i chose one and when installing fam it say another error about nobody's password so is there away of adding noaody w/o a password and what UID should he have...? |
| 06:21.39 | dondelelcaro | NuBus-PPC: yeah, you might check google... someone may have made one that's correct for your hardware (or at least close...) |
| 06:21.56 | Fpanel | lol @ NO GMAIL INVITES! msg me |
| 06:22.10 | jacobsid | bharat You can re-install it if it's still listed, or reboot and select the older one if you didn't un-install - except that these are both 2.8 kernels. You would have to look and see if it's in the archives. |
| 06:22.11 | simonrvn | Fpanel: ... |
| 06:22.18 | jacobsid | bharat might be in /var/lib/apt/cache |
| 06:22.41 | tty1 | simonrvn -> well my tab completion isnt working right ... not sure whats up |
| 06:22.48 | try_catch_this | now that I have added memory to this computer it seems to run faster than the day I first used it :) |
| 06:23.00 | dondelelcaro | try_catch_this: that's not unusual... |
| 06:23.14 | g4lt | try_catch_this it's all an illusion.... |
| 06:23.20 | jacobsid | FPanel: on sarge nobody is uid 65534 |
| 06:23.25 | dondelelcaro | or -1 |
| 06:23.40 | jacobsid | try_catch_this how did the bios flash go? |
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| 06:24.26 | bharat | jacobsid: ah, cool. I've got the old kernel in /var/cache/apt/archives. Can I just dpkg --install it? are there any gotchas with adding kernels that way? |
| 06:24.35 | yxa | it seems that root logging into a bash shell using ssh2 doest source /etc/profile by default. is that normal? |
| 06:24.48 | NuBus-PPC | dondelelcaro: I shall, thanks :) |
| 06:25.26 | jacobsid | Fpanel useradd can create a user w/o a password. Pretty terse. Read the man page. |
| 06:25.45 | g4lt | yxa it seems that allowing remote root logins is stupid |
| 06:25.51 | jacobsid | bharat Yes, I'd install a different kernel version (2.6.7) and boot to it before doing that. |
| 06:25.55 | deadcat | how do i convert a .wma file to .mp3? |
| 06:25.59 | Fpanel | i used the gnome GUI to and it said there must be a password |
| 06:26.05 | yxa | g4lt internal lan |
| 06:26.05 | bharat | jacobsid: ok. thanks for the help, I'm gonna give it a try. |
| 06:26.08 | jacobsid | bharat although it _should_ work running the current kernel. Just reboot soon. |
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| 06:26.10 | deadcat | any ibook owners here and have trouble with the "ibook login board recall" thing? |
| 06:26.27 | SerajewelKS | i cannot get CD burning to work on sarge |
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| 06:26.39 | SerajewelKS | i've used modconf to load sg and ide-scsi |
| 06:26.48 | SerajewelKS | and i've appended "hdc=ide-scsi" to my kernel parameters |
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| 06:26.59 | SerajewelKS | but "cdrecord -scanbus" still displays an error |
| 06:27.10 | simonrvn | deadcat: rm *.wma ; wget *.mp3, or better yet *.ogg |
| 06:27.22 | jacobsid | deadcat: you need software that can play a wma and output it to stdout as a wav or something and then encode it as mp3. I'm sure something exists. Google for linux convert wma mp3 |
| 06:27.30 | deadcat | simonrvn: this file is from my friend's windows machine. (= |
| 06:27.37 | peterS | SerajewelKS: the usual recommendation for all newer kernels is to avoid ide-scsi and sg - use only ide-cd - and use 'cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom ...' |
| 06:27.43 | deadcat | jacobsid: ok |
| 06:27.44 | SerajewelKS | or wait, cdrecord -scanbus DOES display *one* device, but it's my thumb drive |
| 06:27.55 | simonrvn | "friends don't let friends drive windows" |
| 06:27.59 | SerajewelKS | peterS, what kernel version do you need to do that |
| 06:28.03 | jacobsid | SerajewelKs what kernel? |
| 06:28.06 | peterS | SerajewelKS: 2.4.22 or newer, I think |
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| 06:28.12 | g4lt | or use real scsi ;P |
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| 06:28.15 | SerajewelKS | 2.4.18 |
| 06:28.17 | streuner | SerajewelKS: what kernel do you use? |
| 06:28.19 | deadcat | simonrvn: his laptop and server is linux but his desktop is windows i guess. |
| 06:28.30 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if you're running sarge, you can update 2.4.18 to something quite a lot newer. like 2.4.26 or 2.4.27 |
| 06:28.42 | SerajewelKS | peterS, i tried that, but DMA didn't work |
| 06:28.47 | kaplanfx | well I just ordered my dvd burner |
| 06:29.04 | SerajewelKS | apparently 2.4.27 does not come with DMA support, which sucks |
| 06:29.07 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well hmmm. IDE has been modularised, you have to make sure it is loading the correct IDE module, or DMA will probably not work |
| 06:29.11 | kaplanfx | who was I talking to about this last night? |
| 06:29.12 | peterS | SerajewelKS: that's a change since 2.4.18 |
| 06:29.20 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS I think you still use ide-scsi in 2.4 kernels right? (sucks, then you have to unload/load stuff or change everything to use /dev/sd* instead of /dev/hd* |
| 06:29.31 | SerajewelKS | peterS, what must i do to enable DMA? |
| 06:29.46 | peterS | jacobsid: you *can*, but newer 2.4 kernels (newer than 2.4.22 or so) support other means of sending SCSI commands directly to the ATAPI driver |
| 06:29.47 | deadcat | whats with all the apple ibook logic board recall? it scares the crap out of me because i should be getting an ibook tomorrow or so... |
| 06:29.55 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, i use symlinks for my CD drives anyway, just need to update them |
| 06:29.58 | Fpanel | i herd from a friend that is a friend of some which works at google that google are planing to make a debian based distro and port ebuild to debian (YUCK) and help the x.org team a LOT and maybe make a fork of gnome or help it a lot |
| 06:30.00 | peterS | SerajewelKS: probably just a matter of loading the right IDE module(s). that will depend on your IDE chipset |
| 06:30.07 | jacobsid | peterS Thanks. I didn't realize they did ide-cd in 2.4's |
| 06:30.16 | SerajewelKS | peterS, does updating a kernel require you to re-modconf? |
| 06:30.28 | peterS | jacobsid: it's reportedly experimental in 2.4.22 or so, I don't know if it's been fixed to be more solid in newer 2.4's. I only use 2.6 around here |
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| 06:30.39 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS have you tried hdparm to check/set DMA? |
| 06:30.55 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, how else would i know that DMA doesn't work? |
| 06:30.56 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if module names change, you may have to load new modules. but all modconf really does is edit the /etc/modules file, so you don't normally have to run it on updates |
| 06:31.07 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 06:31.15 | SerajewelKS | i tried 2.6... it broke everything on my system |
| 06:31.30 | SerajewelKS | oh, and since i updated to sarge the kernel has been spewing out a lot of error messages on boot |
| 06:31.35 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS well what happens when you tried to set dma w/ hdparm |
| 06:31.46 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well anyway, ide-scsi and sg *should* work in 2.4.18 (and newer) - I was just mentioning what is considered a better alternative in this day and age. it may or may not actually work better for *you* |
| 06:31.57 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, permission denied (same error on redhat when you don't have DMA) |
| 06:31.57 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS errors are probably discover/hotplug. Mostly harmless |
| 06:32.15 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, these aren't hotplug errors |
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| 06:32.44 | SerajewelKS | where do the bootup messages go to? |
| 06:32.49 | SerajewelKS | dmesg doesn't display the interesting ones |
| 06:32.50 | dondelelcaro | Fpanel: as far as I know, they haven't done anything along those lines yet. |
| 06:32.55 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: /var/log/dmesg |
| 06:33.18 | Fpanel | when it from a friend of a friend which works at google |
| 06:33.25 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: edit /etc/default/bootlogd and man bootlogd |
| 06:33.39 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: /var/log/dmesg is totally different from dmesg. |
| 06:33.45 | jacobsid | nod |
| 06:34.05 | streuner | SerajewelKS: get an bf2.4 kernel, that makes less headaches about burning ;-) |
| 06:34.07 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro, not by a whole lot |
| 06:34.19 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: /var/log/dmesg is the output of dmesg just after booting |
| 06:34.19 | SerajewelKS | streuner, take that up with Guerin, he told me to not use bf |
| 06:34.30 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: uh, that's where the initial boot log goes. Perhaps if you are more specific what you're looking for I can help you. |
| 06:34.33 | SerajewelKS | nevyn, it's after that when the messages come |
| 06:34.38 | SerajewelKS | stuff about /etc/mtab not existing |
| 06:34.50 | nevyn | that's init stuff not kernel stuff. |
| 06:34.56 | streuner | SerajewelKS: heh, don't list to Guerin, what do you expect from an kiwi ;-) |
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| 06:35.46 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 06:35.55 | streuner | SerajewelKS: no, the bf2.4 kernels have those stuff compiled in, so it makes it damn easy to burn... |
| 06:35.56 | SerajewelKS | so do i just build my own kernel? |
| 06:35.59 | boukensya | hey guys.. anyone had any luck getting an orinoco working with kismet? |
| 06:36.04 | Fpanel | yea when i did an kernel image upgrade not by source my system broke. SerajewelKS try completing it from source |
| 06:36.21 | SerajewelKS | blech |
| 06:36.21 | nevyn | boukensya: yeah works here. |
| 06:36.28 | streuner | SerajewelKS: why not, take an config out of bf2.4 and use that |
| 06:36.32 | SerajewelKS | i switch to debian to avoid building my own kernel =/ |
| 06:36.35 | nevyn | you gotta patch the modules on pre 2.6 kernels tho I think |
| 06:36.46 | SerajewelKS | or i could retry 2.6 |
| 06:37.03 | SerajewelKS | do i just apt-get the image and modify my lilo conf? |
| 06:37.11 | nevyn | umm no. |
| 06:37.23 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: you shouldn't need to touch lilo.conf. |
| 06:37.29 | nevyn | unless you've modified it already |
| 06:37.31 | streuner | SerajewelKS: hm, it only exists the official kernels, and they modularized the burning stuff as well... |
| 06:37.33 | SerajewelKS | hmm i did last time |
| 06:37.36 | SerajewelKS | to add initrd |
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| 06:37.44 | nevyn | yeah but that should be it |
| 06:37.55 | nevyn | SerajewelKS: you don't have to actually add it to the list. |
| 06:38.14 | boukensya | nevyn: how did you patch the kernel? With what driver |
| 06:38.17 | SerajewelKS | kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 ? |
| 06:38.20 | try_catch_this | umm, I was hearing some of my buddies ask about zbox wireless network, I wonder if anyone has done this and how far they have gotten the network to broadcast |
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| 06:38.29 | bharat | jacobsid: rolling back the kernel fixed it -- thanks for your help! Now I'm going to screw around with rolling forward and back |
| 06:38.31 | try_catch_this | xbox* |
| 06:38.38 | boukensya | nevyn: which website did you go to to get it? |
| 06:38.43 | boukensya | what file did you download? |
| 06:38.53 | SerajewelKS | what changes will i need to make to get my system working with 2.6? |
| 06:38.57 | boukensya | they have new ones via cvs and now not sure what to do |
| 06:39.00 | SerajewelKS | i heard that you need to do a makeover on /dev |
| 06:39.21 | streuner | boukensya: scroll up, and read what 'peterS' told you about |
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| 06:39.35 | streuner | SerajewelKS: ^^ |
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| 06:39.54 | SerajewelKS | ^^? |
| 06:40.04 | simonrvn | means look up or scroll up |
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| 06:40.08 | jacobsid | bharat: Nice. Glad that worked, sad the newer setup didn't... :( |
| 06:40.15 | SerajewelKS | i don't see an answer up there |
| 06:40.15 | streuner | SerajewelKS: scroll up, and read what 'peterS' told you about |
| 06:40.23 | boukensya | streuner: peterS didn't tell me anything ? |
| 06:40.33 | holycow | hey all |
| 06:40.33 | peterS | boukensya: he mistyped a nick, he didn't mean you |
| 06:40.39 | streuner | boukensya: sorry, that was for SerajewelKS |
| 06:40.43 | holycow | so i'm sitting on tech support line with my isp, shaw cable |
| 06:40.50 | boukensya | hehe yes.. I realised that.. I looked for like 3 mins too lol |
| 06:40.51 | bharat | jacobsid: no worries. I'm sure they'll fix whatever it was. |
| 06:40.52 | holycow | he reconnects shit goes renew ip |
| 06:40.54 | holycow | i go okay |
| 06:40.56 | SerajewelKS | streuner, i don't see anything from peterS about 2.6 |
| 06:40.58 | holycow | he goes watcha using |
| 06:41.00 | holycow | i go linux |
| 06:41.06 | holycow | he goes oh so you know how to do that then |
| 06:41.07 | holycow | :D |
| 06:41.23 | peterS | SerajewelKS: oh, I don't think I said anything about 2.6. there are two main things to keep in mind when moving to 2.6 |
| 06:41.34 | streuner | SerajewelKS: no? He talked about 'modern' kernels? |
| 06:41.35 | peterS | SerajewelKS: (a) a few userspace tool updates, notably lvm2 in place of lvm10, if you happen to use LVM |
| 06:41.48 | SerajewelKS | LVM? |
| 06:41.57 | fyn | Hi. I want a calendar app I can use on a couple workstations and access on the web. Will some combination of moz/korganizer/evolution with horde/yahoo calendar/??? do this? If not ... how close can I come to a calendar I can check from anywhere but have a decent interface to where I usually use it? |
| 06:41.59 | peterS | SerajewelKS: (b) a few modules have changed names or otherwise been rearranged. one example: the 'uhci' and 'usb-uhci' drivers have been unified and renamed to 'uhci_hcd' |
| 06:42.08 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if you don't know what LVM is, trust me, you aren't using it |
| 06:42.09 | simonrvn | holycow: hehe, cool |
| 06:42.17 | streuner | SerajewelKS: ok, just fix the issue for your burning problem... |
| 06:42.25 | peterS | SerajewelKS: other driver renaming: 'hid' (USB keyboards / mice) is now 'usbhid' |
| 06:42.26 | streuner | holycow: Moo! |
| 06:42.29 | SerajewelKS | peterS, so after i install 2.6 i need to modconf? |
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| 06:42.47 | holycow | hola dudes! |
| 06:42.54 | peterS | SerajewelKS: the 'agpgart' driver, for AGP slot support, has been split up into several vendor-specific modules |
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| 06:42.56 | holycow | :) |
| 06:43.10 | peterS | SerajewelKS: modconf, or just editing /etc/modules as you learn you need to load stuff, I guess |
| 06:43.20 | SerajewelKS | mmkay |
| 06:43.29 | boukensya | nevyn: so what file should I get? The airsnort website directs me to the cvs, which is what they put in the kernel anyway |
| 06:43.32 | SerajewelKS | yipes! 15mb |
| 06:43.39 | SerajewelKS | that's almost as big as the kernel source! |
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| 06:43.41 | peterS | SerajewelKS: you'll want to load the 'pcspkr' module in 2.6, btw, if you want to hear beeps from your PC speaker. this was not necessary in 2.4 |
| 06:44.16 | SerajewelKS | lol |
| 06:44.22 | ight8 | hi. I got a konquerer question, I set the home but when I open konquerer i get a whole seperate page, how do I change that. |
| 06:44.29 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well, it's true. took me awhile to track that one down. (: |
| 06:44.37 | SerajewelKS | fun stuff |
| 06:44.39 | peterS | yeah |
| 06:44.50 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?Kernel2dot6 |
| 06:44.57 | peterS | also, the IDE modules have been split up into chipset-specific modules, just like newer 2.4 kernels |
| 06:45.05 | SerajewelKS | but this still doesn't answer my question as to why loading sg and ide-scsi doesn't make CD burning work in 2.4 =/ |
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| 06:45.22 | jm_ | because it may be used by ide-cd |
| 06:45.29 | peterS | so if you have an Intel ICH chipset, for example, you have to load the 'piix' driver for proper IDE support, both in late 2.4 and in 2.6 |
| 06:45.49 | SerajewelKS | jm_, so i need to unload ide-cd? |
| 06:46.04 | alejandro_ | is there a way to precompile a kernel for a later instalation? i mean, including the nvidia kernels and some webcam drivers |
| 06:46.14 | peterS | SerajewelKS: ide-scsi and ide-cd should not be both loaded at the same time, really, if you want to use them for your CD-RW drive |
| 06:46.17 | streuner | SerajewelKS: 'Guerin' is right, when he say, bf2.4 is for one thing, to install debian, but their section of 'burning cdr' is damn easy. |
| 06:46.24 | SerajewelKS | alejandro_, check out kernel-package |
| 06:46.39 | alejandro_ | SerajewelKS, i will now :) thanks ;) |
| 06:46.46 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: or pass options to drivers/kernel |
| 06:46.50 | SerajewelKS | uh well |
| 06:46.53 | SerajewelKS | ide-cd isn't in /etc/modules |
| 06:47.03 | SerajewelKS | jm_, and i AM passing "hdc=ide-scsi" to the kernel |
| 06:47.10 | peterS | SerajewelKS: does "lsmod" show ide-cd as having been loaded? |
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| 06:47.21 | SerajewelKS | yes |
| 06:47.28 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if you're running the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel, it won't be, because ide-cd is built into that kernel |
| 06:47.49 | peterS | SerajewelKS: anyway, try 'rmmod ide-cd' and then 'modprobe ide-scsi' (if it was already loaded, unload it first) |
| 06:47.49 | SerajewelKS | i'm not using bf |
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| 06:47.58 | streuner | hm |
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| 06:48.01 | SerajewelKS | peterS, ide-scsi appears higher on the list than ide-cd |
| 06:48.13 | SerajewelKS | rmmod worked |
| 06:48.13 | tty1 | can anyone tellme how to change the contents of a file int he initrd... ive tried mounting it and editing but that doesnt work cause it always indicates its a read only file ssytem. |
| 06:48.20 | peterS | SerajewelKS: right, that means it was loaded *later*. which means ide-cd probably claimed the CD-RW drive |
| 06:48.29 | streuner | (otherwise he hadn't no issue for burning?!) |
| 06:48.36 | peterS | SerajewelKS: you can verify that ide-scsi has the drive by doing 'cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver' |
| 06:48.59 | SerajewelKS | peterS, it says (none) |
| 06:49.08 | peterS | SerajewelKS: ok, 'rmmod ide-scsi; modprobe ide-scsi' |
| 06:49.13 | peterS | SerajewelKS: i.e., reload the ide-scsi module |
| 06:49.23 | SerajewelKS | yay |
| 06:49.28 | SerajewelKS | ide-scsi version 0.9 |
| 06:49.32 | peterS | SerajewelKS: ok then |
| 06:49.42 | SerajewelKS | LUN is 1,0,0 |
| 06:49.43 | peterS | SerajewelKS: change the /dev/cdrom link to point to 'scd0' instead of 'hdc' |
| 06:49.53 | SerajewelKS | peterS i think i already did that |
| 06:49.56 | SerajewelKS | let me check |
| 06:50.14 | peterS | SerajewelKS: ah, ok. you may also have to load the 'sr_mod' module, if you haven't already - that's SCSI CD-ROM |
| 06:50.26 | SerajewelKS | that's in /etc/modules |
| 06:50.35 | SerajewelKS | so now the big question... how do i prevent ide-cd from loading? |
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| 06:50.49 | SerajewelKS | rmmod/modprobe works, but i'd like to to work right after bootup |
| 06:50.49 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: no need to, just pass it appropriate parameters |
| 06:51.00 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS do you have discover running? |
| 06:51.14 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, yes |
| 06:51.18 | streuner | doh, discover |
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| 06:51.23 | SerajewelKS | jm_, we covered this territory already |
| 06:51.37 | streuner | we forgot always that discover causes headaches :-) |
| 06:51.39 | SerajewelKS | jm_, the parameter is being passed to the kernel... please stop telling me to do that |
| 06:51.45 | jacobsid | SerajewlKS try skip ide-cd in /etc/discover.conf |
| 06:51.53 | SerajewelKS | i take it discover means trouble? |
| 06:51.57 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: passing it to the kernel obviously helps little if ide-cd is a module |
| 06:52.04 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I would add 'ide-scsi' to /etc/modules. that should do it |
| 06:52.10 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: please stop assuming I am telling you the same thing |
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| 06:52.30 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 06:52.31 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS I had discover load oss and alsa modules for me today. It did for my sound what it did for your burning. |
| 06:52.36 | SerajewelKS | peterS, i did that already, as i said |
| 06:52.37 | g4lt | in fact, running discover on boot is a Bad Thing IMO |
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| 06:52.53 | SerajewelKS | so i should dpkg -P discover ? |
| 06:53.00 | jm_ | I always hated kudzu in RH and similar thing in SuSE |
| 06:53.09 | peterS | wait, does discover run *before* /etc/modules is processed? |
| 06:53.12 | peterS | that's messed up! |
| 06:53.14 | SerajewelKS | i liked kudzu.. it helped me set up my modem |
| 06:53.31 | SerajewelKS | peterS, it might be, i'm not sure |
| 06:53.31 | jm_ | module options should help via modules.conf or whatever is the same for 2.6 |
| 06:53.32 | g4lt | run it once or twice when you got new hardware, sure, but if you aren't adding new hardware every time you bood, why run a hardware detection? |
| 06:53.53 | peterS | SerajewelKS: nah, /etc/modules is processed at rcS/S20 - discover doesn't load until rcS/S36 |
| 06:54.03 | jacobsid | I like them all, when they work right. discover/hotplug/2.6 do cause crashes on some old VALinux servers I deal with and I've not been able to down them long enough to figure out what to blacklist. |
| 06:54.05 | SerajewelKS | i have one more rather enigmatic question |
| 06:54.38 | SerajewelKS | is there a debian-compatible service that will detect when i plug in a removable device (like a thumb drive), and automatically mount it? |
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| 06:54.57 | hemicuda | hotplug |
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| 06:55.03 | peterS | SerajewelKS: that's what 'hotplug' is designed to do. you probably have to configure it specifically for that sort of thing, though |
| 06:55.11 | streuner | !info hotplug |
| 06:55.15 | dpkg | hotplug: (Linux Hotplug Scripts), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.20040329-15 (sid), Packaged size: 59 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 06:55.19 | g4lt | jacobsid my point still stands, running hardware detection at boot is stupid |
| 06:55.24 | SerajewelKS | i think i have it installed |
| 06:55.25 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS hotplug/udev, that link I sent earlier |
| 06:55.34 | user01 | where is the mozilla plugin directory installed to? |
| 06:55.45 | SerajewelKS | lol i have hotplug-utils but not hotplug |
| 06:55.56 | takatumi | jm_: suse kind of handled it well for me, on a 2.4 though |
| 06:56.00 | manu | how do i prevent a module from loading automatically |
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| 06:56.03 | tty1 | can anyone tellme how to change the contents of a file int he initrd... ive tried mounting it and editing but that doesnt work cause it always indicates its a read only file ssytem. |
| 06:56.12 | streuner | g4lt: they put in d-i, to makes things easier, but it makes headaches here afterwards... |
| 06:56.18 | jacobsid | g4lt I agree with the concept of being able to say no, or only running it on command (you could say no to Kudzu) but generally I want the hardware I just added to work as soon as I boot. |
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| 06:56.35 | SNIa | is there a way to make a screenshot movie? |
| 06:56.36 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 06:56.43 | SerajewelKS | hotplug is going to remove usbmgr.. is that okay? |
| 06:56.51 | g4lt | jacobsid so before you poweroff to add the hardware, enable it once |
| 06:56.54 | jm_ | takatumi: it was always annoying for us because we use a lot of KVM-s in our server room and mice get randomly (dis-)connected and then the machine gets stuck at boot (this is with default settings, one can change it I guess) |
| 06:56.58 | peterS | SerajewelKS: yeah, usbmgr is an older thing, I think |
| 06:57.06 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I don't use either one of them (: but that's my understanding |
| 06:57.08 | jm_ | SNIa: screenshot movie ? |
| 06:57.12 | SerajewelKS | hehe |
| 06:57.29 | SerajewelKS | i have two USB devices, and i don't like having to edit fstab each time to move the mount points |
| 06:57.35 | SNIa | jm_: Yeah I've got a 3D screensaver I setup as my background picture, but it is hard to show somone a static image of somethign that moves |
| 06:57.37 | jacobsid | g4lt that would be nice, I'd forget sometimes so I'd want an option on boot. (I kinda wish I had selective startup sometimes too) |
| 06:57.39 | menteco | where can I put a command to execute each time I log in on X Window? |
| 06:57.48 | dondelelcaro | menteco: in your .Xsession |
| 06:57.53 | peterS | menteco: you can create a ~/.xsession |
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| 06:57.56 | dondelelcaro | s/X/x/ |
| 06:57.58 | jm_ | SNIa: well try xvidcap, but it might not work for this |
| 06:58.01 | manu | tty1:why dont you take a look at this http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/#ch-before |
| 06:58.03 | scarynetworkguy | Screenshot: The Movie!! It has chills it has thrills. Coming soon to a monitor near you!! |
| 06:58.05 | takatumi | jm_: I have not messed with it much, ever since moving to debian, except for cd burning, I dont have a debianized 2.4 kernel |
| 06:58.08 | peterS | menteco: but note that if that file exists, the default Debian X session does *not* run - *only* your .xsession runs |
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| 06:58.21 | peterS | menteco: so if you do that you have to invoke everything you want, including 'gnome-session' or whatever |
| 06:58.32 | jacobsid | manu: if the module is loaded 'cause it's in your modules configs, remove it. If it's being discovered, stop discovering or blacklist it. |
| 06:58.33 | manu | tty1:i think it will be useful |
| 06:58.43 | SNIa | jm_: what is xvidcap part of? |
| 06:59.00 | menteco | peterS: isn't there a command to include the system xsession into my user xsession file? |
| 06:59.09 | manu | jacobsid: is it in /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 06:59.09 | SerajewelKS | i started hotplug |
| 06:59.16 | SerajewelKS | it did nothing when i plugged in my thumb drive |
| 06:59.39 | tty1 | manu -> i will thank you |
| 06:59.41 | peterS | menteco: well, if you know where the system xsession is, you can just run it directly. it's a shell script. |
| 06:59.46 | jm_ | SNIa: it's not in Debian |
| 06:59.52 | peterS | menteco: as it happens, this is /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 07:00.07 | jacobsid | manu: depends on kernel and stuff. My system it's in /etc/modultils/<name> and then you run update-modules. |
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| 07:00.18 | jm_ | SNIa: http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/xvidcap |
| 07:00.28 | user01 | everytime i try to do a search for a file the program freezes in x :P |
| 07:00.33 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS check dmesg again. Sometimes it takes a minue |
| 07:00.35 | SNIa | jm_: thx |
| 07:00.59 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, this device is detected immediately by the kernel |
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| 07:01.45 | jm_ | peterS: but running Xsession again is not a good idea, he should probably start 50xfree86-common_determine-startup and possibly 99xfree86-common_start |
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| 07:01.53 | SerajewelKS | what exactly is devfs? |
| 07:01.58 | peterS | jm_: oh, point. that might be mutually recursive. |
| 07:02.00 | streuner | uhm |
| 07:02.11 | dondelelcaro | doesn't /etc/X11/Xsession actually call ~/.Xsession itself? |
| 07:02.16 | jm_ | yes it does |
| 07:02.16 | streuner | SerajewelKS: something which causes you more headaches |
| 07:02.26 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DevFAQ |
| 07:02.35 | jm_ | would be better to just copy the contents of 99xfree86-common_start and modify it and run that |
| 07:02.56 | peterS | menteco: ignore my last advice. you don't want to call /etc/X11/Xsession from ~/.xsession - listen to jm_ instead |
| 07:03.06 | streuner | SerajewelKS: or read the docs from the kernel-image of in /usr/src/linux/ |
| 07:03.16 | streuner | s/of/or/ |
| 07:03.21 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 07:03.26 | SerajewelKS | so how do i get hotplug working? |
| 07:03.29 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS I've not tried hotplug and devfs. Never used devfs. |
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| 07:04.20 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS did hotplug load any usb mass storage drivers (lsmod)? |
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| 07:05.37 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, i'm not using devfs |
| 07:05.45 | SerajewelKS | and the drive works fine |
| 07:05.54 | SerajewelKS | but i want it to be automagically mounted when i plug it in |
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| 07:06.14 | SerajewelKS | because sometimes it's sda1, sometimes sdb1, and sometimes sde1 |
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| 07:06.42 | takatumi | SerajewelKS: mine is always sda1 |
| 07:07.00 | SerajewelKS | takatumi, that's because you've only got one USB Mass Storage device |
| 07:07.05 | SerajewelKS | i have five |
| 07:07.20 | takatumi | SerajewelKS: probably |
| 07:07.26 | s-toned | Is it wise to have /sbin in the path for normal users? |
| 07:07.44 | streuner | heh |
| 07:07.46 | streuner | no |
| 07:07.52 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS hotplug and udev account for that (but I don't know if that also requires sysfs) you can write your own mappings. The concept is that you don't care what usb port you plug into, it's the same device. You'll have to do legwork to get it going though. |
| 07:08.15 | s-toned | streuner: was that for /sbin? |
| 07:08.21 | streuner | yes |
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| 07:08.22 | simonrvn | udev is 2.6.x only, and needs sysfs |
| 07:08.24 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, i don't have udev either |
| 07:08.27 | gallus | hi |
| 07:09.07 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS as long as your /dev nodes are right then I think you can still use hotplug, writing scripts (or finding them) to be called to do your mount or whatever when the device is detected. |
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| 07:10.06 | SerajewelKS | jacobsid, where can i find these scripts? |
| 07:10.11 | SerajewelKS | and/or how would i write them |
| 07:10.26 | s-toned | streuner: It's a pity. |
| 07:11.11 | jacobsid | SerajewelKS google is really a good tool. "hotplug usb storage automount" http://www.greenfly.org/tips/usb_drive.html |
| 07:11.30 | bob2 | my usb stick is /dev/uba1 |
| 07:11.39 | _wolf_ | anyone have problems with 2.6.8.1 and fat partitions? |
| 07:12.01 | SlayerXP | _wolf_: yes, you do. |
| 07:12.25 | _wolf_ | yeah, I do, but anyone else? |
| 07:12.30 | jacobsid | _wolf_ I don't |
| 07:12.35 | _wolf_ | I cant to maount anything that is fat... |
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| 07:12.54 | _wolf_ | any idea what the reason could be? |
| 07:12.55 | bob2 | have you checked the BTS? |
| 07:12.56 | bob2 | googled? |
| 07:13.05 | bob2 | checked the kernel BTS? |
| 07:13.09 | _wolf_ | googled yes, no help |
| 07:13.13 | SerajewelKS | i must say, it's stuff like this that makes me appreciate windows a bit more =/ |
| 07:13.14 | SlayerXP | _wolf_: can you be more vague? |
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| 07:13.22 | bob2 | bugs.debian.org, bugzilla.kernel.org |
| 07:13.22 | SlayerXP | or less specific? |
| 07:13.37 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: no, it means you should use something more newbie-oriented than Debian |
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| 07:14.03 | bob2 | if Debian is too much setting up and fiddling don't use it |
| 07:14.07 | bob2 | </rant> |
| 07:14.19 | sobersabre | 've got gpm problem: can't use mouse in the console. ps2, ms scroller, optical, no USB ... |
| 07:14.21 | RichiH | bob2: <rant /> |
| 07:14.32 | bob2 | hotplug will do nothing but load the module for your card when you plug it in |
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| 07:14.37 | RichiH | <smartass /> ;) |
| 07:14.38 | _wolf_ | well when I try to mount any partiton, image whatever that is *fat I get this error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on <device> |
| 07:14.49 | bob2 | if you want it mounted, that's the responsibility of gnome-volume-manager |
| 07:14.57 | g4lt | sobersabre you also using X? |
| 07:14.58 | sobersabre | _wolf_ modprobe dosfs |
| 07:15.00 | bob2 | _wolf_: show us the exact command you used. |
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| 07:15.08 | sobersabre | g4lt, i do, but not now. |
| 07:15.08 | jm_ | _wolf_: did you check if your kernel has support for appropriuate file system ? maybe it's ntfs |
| 07:15.09 | bob2 | _wolf_: and the output of "cat /proc/filesystems" in #flood |
| 07:15.19 | bob2 | sobersabre: er, dno't you mean fat? |
| 07:15.25 | _wolf_ | mkfs.msdos /dev/hda5 |
| 07:15.31 | _wolf_ | mount -t msdos /dev/hda5 /mnt/ |
| 07:15.33 | bob2 | sobersabre: or msdos. |
| 07:15.51 | g4lt | sobersabre take a look at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and replicate the settings in gpm |
| 07:15.55 | sobersabre | bob2 , i meant msdos... fbsd sediments... sorry :) |
| 07:16.01 | bob2 | ah. |
| 07:16.18 | bob2 | haha |
| 07:16.43 | sobersabre | g4lt it doesn't work: i see the cursor in the center, and it won't move |
| 07:16.51 | jm_ | _wolf_: how big is that partition ? |
| 07:17.06 | _wolf_ | some 3 gigs |
| 07:17.24 | menteco | peterS: I placed the command xdp (from package display-dhammapada) in my system Xsession, rebooted but the command didn't run, though the package man page says to use Xsession. Did I miss something? |
| 07:17.28 | jm_ | ok, you have to use mkfs.vfat -F 32 |
| 07:17.38 | _wolf_ | 3.7 to be exact, but when I try to mount a floppydisk image (via loop) I get the same error |
| 07:17.39 | sobersabre | bob2, if on 2.6.x u should insmod msdos, and mount -t vfat |
| 07:17.45 | peterS | menteco: not sure |
| 07:17.54 | sobersabre | _wolf_ are you certain it is FAT32 ? |
| 07:18.05 | bob2 | sobersabre: I'm almost certain it's still vfat. |
| 07:18.06 | _wolf_ | sobersabre: I use msdos |
| 07:18.18 | SerajewelKS | okay i wrote a cd with cdrecord -dummy |
| 07:18.20 | _wolf_ | but i've tried both |
| 07:18.23 | takatumi | sobersabre: which kernel? |
| 07:18.24 | SerajewelKS | as we can expect, it finished with errors |
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| 07:18.33 | SerajewelKS | cdrecord: Input/output error. flush cache: scsi sendcmd: no error |
| 07:18.37 | jacobsid | lsmod has fat & vfat here and I didn't have to tell mount the type. It just worked. |
| 07:18.52 | sobersabre | takatumi ... in which context ? :] |
| 07:18.57 | bob2 | _wolf_: does -t auto work? |
| 07:19.08 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: that sounds like bad hardware... |
| 07:19.12 | bob2 | e.g. dodgy cables |
| 07:19.13 | _wolf_ | bob2: nope |
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| 07:19.20 | SerajewelKS | bob2, this is a brand new drive |
| 07:19.20 | takatumi | sobersabre: your mouse |
| 07:19.33 | SerajewelKS | and it happens after the track is written |
| 07:19.34 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: are you sure it works? |
| 07:19.44 | bob2 | ie have you burned a cd and verified the md5sum? |
| 07:19.46 | SerajewelKS | bob2, it reads CDs fine |
| 07:19.47 | sobersabre | vanilla 2.4.27 from apt repository |
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| 07:20.08 | SerajewelKS | bob2, is that just md5sum /dev/cdrom ? |
| 07:20.11 | sobersabre | i even manuall insmoded evdev, mousedev |
| 07:20.18 | sobersabre | manually, i mean |
| 07:20.18 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: yes. |
| 07:20.28 | sobersabre | takatumi .. .any suggestions ? |
| 07:20.38 | takatumi | sobersabre: I am on 2.6.8.1, sorry dont know |
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| 07:20.43 | sobersabre | except "upgrade to 2.6" |
| 07:20.44 | sobersabre | :) |
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| 07:21.15 | bob2 | sobersabre: are you using a Debian kernel? |
| 07:21.20 | sobersabre | yes. |
| 07:21.22 | _wolf_ | perhaps I should try the 2.6.7 kernel... |
| 07:21.49 | sobersabre | bob2 if i use 2.6.8.1 [vanilla, from kernel.org], can i use debian nvidia drivers ? |
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| 07:22.10 | bob2 | sobersabre: you need to build them, but they will work |
| 07:22.14 | bob2 | just make sure you use make-kpkg |
| 07:22.25 | sobersabre | ok ... thanks |
| 07:22.29 | sobersabre | quit |
| 07:22.34 | takatumi | sobersabre: why not use the debian one? |
| 07:22.45 | jacobsid | _wolf_ I'm using debian's 2.6.8-1 and mounting a windows formatted fat32 partition. Works fine. Loads the right modules and mounts it with just: mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 07:22.46 | bob2 | it' |
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| 07:22.57 | bob2 | s not optimised for his hardware |
| 07:22.57 | bob2 | duh |
| 07:23.01 | mrdeath | hi all |
| 07:23.07 | _wolf_ | jacobsid: but have you tried 2.6.8.1... |
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| 07:23.25 | mrdeath | can i connect 3 wifi points without accesspoint using dlink cards? |
| 07:23.30 | jm_ | _wolf_: WFM |
| 07:23.34 | jacobsid | _wolf_ what does uname -a say? |
| 07:23.49 | _wolf_ | Linux watson 2.6.8.1 #1 Sat Sep 25 18:56:51 EEST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 07:23.52 | openroad | thx to mrwill(if he is online for his explanation) |
| 07:23.55 | ruski | mrdeath: depends on the cards really, you should be able to set them all in adhoc mode |
| 07:24.06 | takatumi | bob2: I thought there were ones with nvidia support |
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| 07:24.41 | bob2 | takatumi: "ones"? no Debian kernel ships with nvidia's stupid binary drivers. |
| 07:24.44 | _wolf_ | jacobsid: Linux watson 2.6.8.1 #1 Sat Sep 25 18:56:51 EEST 2004 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 07:24.53 | bob2 | but the drivers are in the non-free section |
| 07:25.08 | takatumi | bob2: ah didnt know, mine is ATI |
| 07:25.18 | SerajewelKS | how does autofs detect when you want to read from a drive after it automatically unmounts it? |
| 07:25.23 | openroad | suppose i : cat blah.txt | script_for_parse_blah.txt ,what library in python i should use ? |
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| 07:26.06 | tty1 | i need some help.. im trying to figure out how to edit a file in the initrd.img file .. i tried mounting it but it always mounts as ro.. so i tried to copy it and then use mkcramfs however it wont copy the hardlinks in there and i cant figure out a way to recreate them (operation not permited) .. any ideas? |
| 07:26.07 | bob2 | doesn't autofs slide into the VFS between the user and the real filesystem? |
| 07:26.10 | godsmoke | openroad: that comes in on stdin |
| 07:26.11 | jacobsid | _wolf_ I'm scratching my head over the 8.1 vs 8-1. Anyone else help me out here. |
| 07:26.24 | bob2 | openroad: eh? just read from stdin. |
| 07:26.24 | SerajewelKS | bob2, i don't know, that's what i'm asking you |
| 07:26.37 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: I'm almost certain that's how it works |
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| 07:26.51 | takatumi | tty1: why not create another initrd? |
| 07:27.15 | _wolf_ | jacobsid: the8-1 means 2.6.8 build 1, but I use kernel 2.6.8.1, see kernel.org |
| 07:27.16 | bob2 | you can't edit it, cramfs is read-only |
| 07:27.18 | tty1 | takatumi -> how would i do that and change the contents of one of the files before it made it? |
| 07:27.21 | takatumi | tty1: or get rid of initrd |
| 07:27.26 | bob2 | I con't think it supports hardlinks; why are you trying to use them? |
| 07:27.31 | SerajewelKS | bob2, so the filesystem remains mounted as far as the user is concerned, but the kernel hhhas unmounted it? |
| 07:27.35 | mrdeath | ruski: ok. thank you. |
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| 07:27.38 | tty1 | bob2 -> well i know there is a way to extract it, change it, and then remake it.. cause i did it before |
| 07:27.38 | jacobsid | _wolf_ So this isn't a debian kernel-image (I thought I had asked that but I may have forgotten) |
| 07:27.50 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: the autofs filesystem is mounted, but the underlying one is not |
| 07:27.52 | _wolf_ | jacobsid: no, plain vanilla |
| 07:27.55 | bob2 | tty1: why are you trying to edit it? |
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| 07:28.03 | bob2 | tty1: do you know that cramfs supports hardlinks at all? |
| 07:28.06 | tty1 | bob2 -> cause the initrd file already had hardlinks in it.. so im tryign to copy the contents and recreate it so when i packit back up it willb e the same |
| 07:28.09 | takatumi | tty1: make-kpkg --initrd |
| 07:28.24 | tty1 | bob2 -> it msut cause it already had ahrdlinks in it |
| 07:28.24 | jacobsid | _wolf_ better play w/ others than. Your chances of finding someone running vanilla 2.6.8.1 ppc are a bit slimmer :| |
| 07:28.27 | bob2 | takatumi: why are you trying to modify it at all? |
| 07:28.53 | takatumi | bob2: I have no idea what t he is trying ot achieve |
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| 07:28.58 | takatumi | s/ot/to |
| 07:29.01 | tty1 | bob2 -> cause i need to change a line in loadmodules.. the vesafb to radeonfb (this is hwo i did it on this system and it worked, but i forget how i extracted the fs) |
| 07:29.17 | tty1 | takatumi -> how will that let me edit the files before it makes the initrd? |
| 07:29.26 | _wolf_ | jacobsid: well I also have the same problen with my laptop (pc) 2.6.8.1 |
| 07:29.38 | bob2 | takatumi: er, not you, sorry |
| 07:29.46 | takatumi | tty1: why are you trying to edit the file? vesafb works fine either way |
| 07:29.52 | _wolf_ | jacobsid: Linux flipflop 2.6.8.1 #1 Sat Aug 28 21:03:25 EEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:30.03 | openroad | bob2: im trying.. |
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| 07:30.06 | tty1 | takatumi -> cause with radeonfb i get a much higher resolution at the terminal |
| 07:30.10 | jacobsid | _wolf_ I guess try other images then. Does kernel-image-2.6.8-1 work? |
| 07:30.24 | tty1 | takatumi -> the resolution from vesafb is horrible even with vga=792 |
| 07:30.30 | takatumi | tty1: try vga=792 with vesafb |
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| 07:30.41 | EmleyMoor | Where does courier-imapd expect the Maildir to be? Also, does it have any caveats on format? |
| 07:30.43 | _wolf_ | jacobsid: I'll have to see. thanks anyways.. |
| 07:30.48 | tty1 | tak_ -> thats what it is at.. still wayt o small for my tastes..r adeonfb has a nice high resolution |
| 07:30.50 | takatumi | tty1: ad then I dont know, it works fine for me with a radeon340 |
| 07:30.53 | jacobsid | _wolf_ np, sorry I couldn't help |
| 07:31.14 | takatumi | tty1: I couldnt get radeonfb to work |
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| 07:31.21 | tty1 | takatumi -> mine works.. jsut isnt a high enough resolution for my tastes radeonfb is 1600x1200 and is beautiful |
| 07:31.43 | tty1 | takatumi -> well i have it working on this box by changing the initrd.. i jsut cant figure out hwo i did it exactly |
| 07:31.48 | jacobsid | tty1: Just curious. What is the screen size? |
| 07:31.50 | takatumi | tty1: well if you get it to work, write a howto or something :) |
| 07:31.53 | s-toned | How do I pass the system's name and the assigned IP address to the DNS server so that other systems can connect to the system using that name? |
| 07:31.57 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: wherever you tell it to find it. |
| 07:31.57 | tty1 | jachebug -> 21 inch |
| 07:32.13 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: it just want's regular maildirs, foo/.bar.baz/ |
| 07:32.14 | tty1 | takatumi -> id be happy to... i did it before so ill figure it out again |
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| 07:32.22 | SerajewelKS | i'll be darned |
| 07:32.22 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: ~/Maildir if you don't say otherwise, iirc |
| 07:32.28 | SerajewelKS | without -dummy it wrote without any errors |
| 07:32.31 | bob2 | s-toned: DHCP. |
| 07:32.43 | EmleyMoor | OK - what if I don't tell it? How do I tell it? ~/Maildir is correct but it can't see my folders |
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| 07:33.13 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: name your folders the way it wants them. |
| 07:33.23 | EmleyMoor | OK - and how's that? |
| 07:33.25 | takatumi | tty1: what about vga=795? |
| 07:33.29 | bob2 | 17:32:15 bob2 | EmleyMoor: it just want's regular maildirs, foo/.bar.baz/ |
| 07:33.39 | bob2 | where foo = Maildir |
| 07:33.40 | EmleyMoor | Does it need something called INBOX.? |
| 07:33.55 | EmleyMoor | Or do they just have to begin with a .? |
| 07:33.55 | bob2 | it does like that |
| 07:33.59 | bob2 | I'm not sure if it needs them |
| 07:34.08 | bob2 | actually, you're right INBOX, INBOX.foo, etc. |
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| 07:34.29 | tty1 | takatumi -> it didnt accept that.. said it was an invalid mode or something |
| 07:34.31 | bob2 | I was mixing up courier and dovecot. |
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| 07:35.06 | s-toned | bob2: finding the dhcp-server and getting an ip address -> works |
| 07:35.11 | s-toned | bob2: Finding the DNS server so that it can be used to resolve domain names -> works |
| 07:35.43 | takatumi | tty1: if radeonfb is your problem why dont you recompile the kernel with radeonfb static, get rid of vesafb and the initrd as well? |
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| 07:36.06 | tty1 | takatumi -> i may go that route.. but id like to avoid it if i can figure out how |
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| 07:36.30 | s-toned | bob2: passing an entry to the dns-server -> I don't know what would be responsible for that (conf-files, programmes, ...) |
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| 07:36.36 | intx | what's the command to regen the cache of packages? |
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| 07:36.54 | Slartibartfast | is there a room for dual monitor support? |
| 07:36.54 | bob2 | ishai_: "cache of packages"? the list of packages avaiable to apt? |
| 07:37.08 | intx | yes |
| 07:37.12 | s-toned | intx: apt-get autoclean (?) |
| 07:37.13 | takatumi | tty1: you should use initrd only with stock kernels, IMHO |
| 07:37.13 | SerajewelKS | are prebuilt ppscs and epst kernel modules available? |
| 07:37.22 | SerajewelKS | intx, apt-get update |
| 07:37.22 | bob2 | intx: "apt-get update" updates it. |
| 07:37.24 | tty1 | takatumi -> this is a stock kernel |
| 07:37.34 | intx | there's no other commands? |
| 07:37.34 | SerajewelKS | s/ppscs/ppscsi |
| 07:37.42 | ishai_ | I am trying to install sarge on my pentium 4 HT system, and it says my computer is not connected to any network - I know it is connectd to a network because I just hooked up this drive as a spare to see how linux would act on my HT system |
| 07:37.44 | SerajewelKS | intx, why would you need another command? |
| 07:37.58 | SerajewelKS | ishai_, maybe network drivres aren't loaded? |
| 07:37.58 | ishai_ | can anyone help? |
| 07:37.58 | takatumi | tty1: so start compiling, kernel-package makes it real easy |
| 07:38.06 | SerajewelKS | s/drivres/drivers |
| 07:38.09 | bob2 | intx: explain what you want to do |
| 07:38.17 | ishai_ | SerajewelKS, it detects and loads a module for eth0 |
| 07:38.20 | intx | dunno. just apt-cache show initscripts shows a package, but on a friend's debian stable system, it doesn't. |
| 07:38.31 | intx | is initscripts supposed to be installed? |
| 07:38.32 | bob2 | ishai_: you need to explain a lot more. |
| 07:38.40 | bob2 | ishai_: what version of Debian? do you hav a DHCP server? sure the cable is ok? |
| 07:38.44 | SerajewelKS | ishai_, weird... do you need to do antying to log on to your network? |
| 07:39.11 | jacobsid | ishai_ I know it works on a P4HT if that's all your testing. Not sure about the network problem. |
| 07:39.13 | ishai_ | bob2 im using sarge, there is a dhcp server up and running, the cable is fine |
| 07:39.20 | bob2 | intx: it's not in stable./ |
| 07:39.25 | ishai_ | its got an onboard sis900 |
| 07:39.27 | takatumi | tty1: |
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| 07:39.47 | intx | bob2: why do I have it installed then? |
| 07:40.00 | takatumi | tty1: yikes, cant paste from windows via putty :) |
| 07:40.00 | ishai_ | in fedora the computer freezes when its loading the services when HT is enabled. |
| 07:40.16 | SerajewelKS | well the ISO/burned md5sums match |
| 07:40.54 | ishai_ | bob2 what else shoudl I tell? I tried it with both pic and apic enabled, no luck |
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| 07:41.00 | intx | bob2: according to apt-cache show initscripts, it's essential, and it's priority is 'required' |
| 07:41.10 | ishai_ | the odd thing is that knoppix 3.6 can boot the machine just fine |
| 07:41.15 | Slartibartfast | has anyone done much manual editing of their xf86config~4 file? Im having trouble configuring my dual head system to run in 1024x768 |
| 07:41.58 | jacobsid | ishai_ You could try disabling HT in the kernel, but I know it works w/ Linux. |
| 07:41.58 | g4lt | Slartibartfast there's a dualhead-howto on ibiblio |
| 07:42.01 | takatumi | Slartibartfast: man xf86config-4? |
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| 07:42.17 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... still no luck |
| 07:42.18 | ishai_ | there is no point in me putting linux on this box if I cannot enable HT |
| 07:42.23 | intx | if I purged the package initscripts, would I be fine? |
| 07:42.24 | jacobsid | ishai_ in the kernel -> in the bios |
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| 07:42.44 | sciboy | Hi guys. |
| 07:42.47 | bob2 | s-toned: http://www.realmtech.net/documents/DynamicDNS.pdf |
| 07:42.55 | bob2 | intx: because you're not using stable |
| 07:42.58 | jacobsid | ishai_ You asked for things to try... |
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| 07:43.14 | bob2 | intx: different versions of debian have different packages |
| 07:43.15 | bob2 | it was just split out; read the changelog for the gory details |
| 07:43.26 | sciboy | Still having fun trying to get ALSA working =/ "alsactl: save_state:1061: No soundcards found..." I am using a SoundBlaster Live Pro (Value) with emu10k1 drivers. |
| 07:43.27 | bob2 | ishai_: is it detecting your nic? |
| 07:43.28 | Tzigane | Hello =) I'm just curious about this screenshot... Can anyone tell me what this dock-like application is in this screenshot?: http://www.freedesktop.org/~jg/R6.8/sco-xorg.jpg |
| 07:43.41 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: paste your folder layout to #flood |
| 07:43.41 | sciboy | Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
| 07:43.48 | bob2 | sciboy: don't waste your time. |
| 07:43.50 | holycow | Slartibartfast, you use nvidia and twinview? |
| 07:43.58 | sciboy | bob2: Why? |
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| 07:44.04 | sciboy | bob2: It was working before =P |
| 07:44.08 | sciboy | bob2: Why not now? |
| 07:44.09 | ishai_ | bob2 yes - it just says I am not connected to a network, which is utter nonsense, fedora dn windoze and knoppix all pick up my network just fine |
| 07:44.10 | EmleyMoor | bob2: OK - will do if my next attempt fails - right in the middle of trying something now - will give you notice |
| 07:44.18 | bob2 | sciboy: because ALSA gives you nothing on am emu10k1. |
| 07:44.22 | Slartibartfast | g4lt: I just checked that out looks like the same one as http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/automagicconfig.html which is what i sed to set this up it was very helpful but im having trouble modifying the resolution |
| 07:44.26 | bob2 | the OSS drivers work better, provide more features and are less hassle |
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| 07:44.35 | sciboy | bob2... And? |
| 07:44.52 | sciboy | bob2: I still need to get ALSA working with it =P |
| 07:44.56 | bob2 | ishai_: chill dude. |
| 07:44.58 | holycow | Slartibartfast, you use nvidia and twinview? |
| 07:45.01 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 07:45.01 | bob2 | sciboy: no you don't. |
| 07:45.01 | try_catch_this | I am having sometrouble setting up a lan, I have ip masquerading working, but I cant get the configuer it to find the files on the other computers |
| 07:45.13 | g4lt | Slartibartfast given that ibiblio and tldp are the same site, I'd hope so ;) |
| 07:45.18 | SerajewelKS | is there any way that i can assure that one specific device always gets the same /dev/sdX node? |
| 07:45.24 | bob2 | ishai_: can you run "pump -i eth0" fro the second console and get an IP ok? |
| 07:45.26 | Slartibartfast | holycow: no nvidia and xinerama |
| 07:45.27 | SerajewelKS | and/or find the node it's attached to? |
| 07:45.32 | sciboy | Any help would be greatly appreciated. "alsactl: save_state:1061: No soundcards found..." |
| 07:45.39 | try_catch_this | when I open up the home file browser in kde and check my lan, I get localhost instead of the other computer |
| 07:45.40 | intx | bob2: i'm pinning.. how do I check what depends on initscripts? |
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| 07:45.42 | Slartibartfast | g4lt: well im sorry i didnt know that |
| 07:45.47 | holycow | touche, i was gonna send ya mine |
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| 07:46.14 | g4lt | jesus, take a joke already |
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| 07:46.33 | bob2 | intx: apt-cache showpkg initscripts |
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| 07:47.06 | holycow | Slartibartfast, basically you can a) delete everything but the deisred reso for the screen section |
| 07:47.17 | Slartibartfast | g4lt: sorry dude i didn't mean to sound beligerent |
| 07:47.22 | ishai_ | bob2 - I didnt even try - it doesnt even detect my hard drive as connected. |
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| 07:47.23 | holycow | and b) you MUST have the right horizsync and vertrefresh for your monitor |
| 07:47.37 | holycow | in order to be able to display certain resolutions on your monit |
| 07:47.38 | bob2 | ishai_: #debian-boot |
| 07:47.55 | sciboy | How do i stop "discover" from starting at boot? |
| 07:47.59 | bob2 | sciboy: remove it |
| 07:48.00 | holycow | x will calculate based on those two things various target resolutions your moni can handle |
| 07:48.08 | bob2 | sciboy: and you do need to learn the varying degrees of "need". |
| 07:48.11 | holycow | so look up your moni on google regarding refresh rates and go |
| 07:48.12 | g4lt | sciboy man update-rc.d |
| 07:48.23 | intx | bob2: thanks |
| 07:48.23 | tty1 | im tryign to copy a directory with hard links in it.. how can i caus eit to preserve these hardlinks? i heard somethign about rsync? |
| 07:48.29 | sciboy | g4lt: Thanks =) |
| 07:48.44 | s-toned | bob2: thank you very much. Searching for "debian dynamic dns" I could have found it myself. (shame) |
| 07:48.46 | g4lt | tty1 man cp |
| 07:48.54 | Slartibartfast | holycow: hmm well i have the two monitors running good the mouse moves freely between the two and i can drag things back and forth, I have run 1024x768 on both monitors succesfully just not in unison, I will continue my research and report back |
| 07:48.58 | holycow | that is provided you already made xinerama work and display on both monis |
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| 07:49.20 | holycow | oh you have different makes of moni? |
| 07:49.24 | g4lt | Slartibartfast are you suing a single GPU for both monitors? |
| 07:49.24 | intx | bob2: if I have no reverse-dependencies, can i safely remove it? |
| 07:49.33 | tty1 | g4lt -> i did.. and i tried a few of the options that seem as thou they would apply.. but it didnt work... |
| 07:49.38 | holycow | its either that or ... |
| 07:49.41 | tty1 | g4lt -> they are hard links of directories |
| 07:49.43 | bob2 | intx: no |
| 07:49.47 | holycow | your vid card cannot handle that res on the second one |
| 07:50.02 | g4lt | tty1 you really shouldn't be hardlinking directories anyways |
| 07:50.05 | bob2 | tty1: copying hardlinks makes no sense |
| 07:50.06 | holycow | i once had a highend and low end vid cards, the low end vid card just couldn't handle 1600x1200 |
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| 07:50.07 | Slartibartfast | g4lt: no one is an nvidia geforce mx/400 on AGP and the other is a PCI trident 2meg original |
| 07:50.13 | intx | bob2: right now i'm 'pinning' .. i think the package that required it might've been removed |
| 07:50.19 | tty1 | g4lt -> im not... theyawere already there forom the system |
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| 07:50.37 | bob2 | intx: nom you cannot remove it, that's whay it's marked "Essential: yes". if you remove it, thigns will break horribly. |
| 07:50.43 | tty1 | bob2 -> well i need someway to do this.. i need a way to preserve the hardlinks in the mount of the initrd.img when i copy it and recreate it |
| 07:50.54 | SerajewelKS | i know that fstab supports using LABEL and UUID for ext2/xfs filesystems, but can i do a similar trick with FAT32 partitions? |
| 07:51.00 | holycow | Slartibartfast, thats why |
| 07:51.03 | intx | bob2: how do I revert back to stable? |
| 07:51.09 | bob2 | intx: you don't. |
| 07:51.17 | bob2 | intx: this is why everyone told you to not mix unstable and stable. |
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| 07:51.23 | bob2 | intx: and if "they" didn't, beat them. |
| 07:51.32 | intx | haha, i have a lot of people to beat :) |
| 07:51.41 | bob2 | !+downgrade |
| 07:51.42 | dpkg | well, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 07:51.52 | Slartibartfast | holycow: harsh yeah last night i didnt have the dual head working but at seprate times i had the cards and monitors at 1024x768 |
| 07:51.53 | bob2 | tty1: do you really care about the hard links? |
| 07:52.13 | itom | hi all; I've installed a pc with specific selected programs. Is possible to have another pc with the same programs automatically? |
| 07:52.20 | intx | bob2: mysql-server is mysteriously disappearing from /etc/rc?.d and I can't figure out why.. think it's related? |
| 07:52.28 | takatumi | bob2: he apparently needs it to get radeonfb going |
| 07:52.43 | bob2 | intx: no. |
| 07:52.58 | tty1 | bob2 -> i dont know what they are there for.. im tryign to edit this file without knowing anythign about anythign in there except the fiel im editing |
| 07:53.00 | bob2 | takatumi: he needs to change a setting, but does he need to preserve the hardlinks? |
| 07:53.03 | intx | any clue what might be causing mysql-server to disappear? the error logs don't show anything.. |
| 07:53.12 | bob2 | takatumi: don't you just need to edit /etc/initrd.conf or something and run mkinitrd? |
| 07:53.17 | holycow | Slartibartfast, *hmmm* i forget what my config file looked like with dual vid card setup... sorry :/ i would guess you definately need to monitor sections, one for each with its own refresh rate |
| 07:53.24 | takatumi | bob2: this is uncharted territory for me |
| 07:53.26 | bob2 | intx: is mysql-server installed? |
| 07:53.29 | intx | yes |
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| 07:53.33 | bob2 | tty1: don't you just need to edit /etc/initrd.conf or something and run mkinitrd? |
| 07:53.42 | bob2 | sorry, your nicks are too similar for my lazy typing |
| 07:53.42 | holycow | each 'identifier' should be unique |
| 07:54.10 | holycow | but i'm guessing so ill stop there before i fry one of the monis :) |
| 07:54.10 | tty1 | bob2 -> im not running mkinitrd (but yes) .. im reacreaking it with mkcramfs |
| 07:54.19 | bob2 | intx: then you probably ran some crap like ksysv or such...debian won't ever remove those symlinks without asking you. |
| 07:54.29 | tty1 | mkinitrd makes one from scratch and wouldnt give me the opertunity, so far as i know, to edit the fdile i want first |
| 07:54.31 | intx | bob2: occasionally I find mysqld not running, for no apparent reason, and nothing in the error log... as well as it missing.. |
| 07:54.35 | Slartibartfast | holycow: i am just checking out my xonfig file now and under resolutions it had 1024x768 800x600 640x480 which mine is in right now i removed all but the 1024x768 and am going to restart x |
| 07:54.51 | intx | bob2: i don't use kde on this machine |
| 07:55.08 | bob2 | tty1: you don't need to edit a file. you need to edit the list of moculdes that get included. no? |
| 07:55.14 | pipegeek | Hi all. I just upgraded a machine from woody to sarge, and in the process upgraded to kde 3.2. However, plastik is not in the list of themes...what is the name of the package that contains this? I would really vastly prefer it to the alternatives, and I cannot find it online for kde 3.2 (though there are versions for 3.1 and before). |
| 07:55.17 | bob2 | intx: that's very odd |
| 07:55.25 | intx | bob2: i don't have x on it at all.. i'm worried it could be a worm or something. |
| 07:55.26 | bob2 | pipegeek: try #debian-kde |
| 07:55.35 | pipegeek | bob2: thanks |
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| 07:55.47 | bob2 | intx: well, it's possible you're vulnerable, since I doubt you're getting security updates anymore |
| 07:56.03 | bob2 | but I've only ever heard of one person getting a virus or worm or whatever on linux |
| 07:56.09 | bob2 | and that required several acts of profound stupidity |
| 07:56.18 | holycow | you have? |
| 07:56.18 | holycow | heh |
| 07:56.29 | g4lt | bob2 ramen and lion..... |
| 07:56.31 | holycow | lindows user? |
| 07:56.41 | intx | bob2: i just did an update from apt today and it updated 22 packages including mysql-server, so i think the security updates are still coming along |
| 07:56.45 | tty1 | bob2 -> hmm .. well i need to edit the fact that vesafb is in the top of loadmodules.. so that is correct.. however im not sure if the conf file effects those modules.. let me look at it |
| 07:56.54 | bob2 | g4lt: it was lion, iirc |
| 07:57.03 | bob2 | holycow: no, redhat 7.0, no patches, ever. |
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| 07:57.05 | intx | bob2: what symptoms, other than the oddness i've told you about, should I check for? |
| 07:57.13 | bob2 | intx: no, you're getting packages from unstable |
| 07:57.17 | bob2 | intx: run chkrootkit, I guess |
| 07:57.23 | slartibartfast | Holycow: stil the same old 640x480 |
| 07:57.26 | holycow | bob2, hehe :) thats delicious |
| 07:57.26 | bob2 | tty1: I'm almost certain it is |
| 07:57.32 | intx | chkrootkit found nothing the last time I checked which was months ago |
| 07:57.35 | takatumi | rk hunter is not a deb package? |
| 07:57.51 | holycow | slartibartfast, really? :( sorry i completely forgot my dual card setup, i run dual head now :| |
| 07:57.51 | tty1 | bob2 -> thanks.. ill have a look |
| 07:57.59 | intx | (I had the same mysterious symlink disappearing months ago) |
| 07:58.19 | tty1 | bob2 -> actually it is not |
| 07:58.25 | hcy | does anybody know of an easy linux way to convert a pdf to a jpeg? |
| 07:58.30 | intx | bob2: i shouldn't be, pinning has stable as top priority.. |
| 07:58.41 | bob2 | intx: you shouldn't be pinning, full stop |
| 07:58.41 | tty1 | bob2 -> all the things in loadmodules file of the generated initrd are not those listed in mkinitrd/modules |
| 07:58.45 | ruski | slartibartfast: 640x480 over both monitors or just on each ? |
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| 07:59.06 | intx | bob2: someone from here told me to! :/ |
| 07:59.17 | Gnea | hcy: take a screenshot |
| 07:59.36 | slartibartfast | ruski: both monitors are each at 640x480 |
| 07:59.41 | intx | bob2: so there's no possible way I can downgrade everything back to stable? |
| 07:59.52 | SerajewelKS | i know that fstab supports using LABEL and UUID for ext2/xfs filesystems, but can i do a similar trick with FAT32 partitions? |
| 08:00.03 | takatumi | intx: you are not reading |
| 08:00.13 | bob2 | intx: most anything is possible, but it's highly annoying and may not work at all |
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| 08:00.25 | bob2 | intx: if you're willing to write the machine off, you can try |
| 08:00.43 | jacobsid | hcy imagemagic or some perl module converts pdf's to text and images. |
| 08:00.48 | intx | takatumi: ? |
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| 08:01.02 | intx | bob2: well, right now it doesn't really look like I have much of a choice either way |
| 08:01.05 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: no one knew last time you asked...try debian-user. |
| 08:01.12 | bob2 | intx: why? |
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| 08:01.32 | Gnea | has anyone here ever ran an agp geforce card with a DVI in dual-head mode? like with a DVI->VGA converter? |
| 08:01.37 | SerajewelKS | bob2, debian-user? |
| 08:01.54 | takatumi | intx: /msg dpkg downgrade |
| 08:01.56 | bob2 | SerajewelKS: the mailing list. |
| 08:02.24 | holycow | Gnea you mean like a geforce 4200ti that comes with one crt connector and one lcd connector? |
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| 08:02.45 | affe | is the sources changed for stable ? |
| 08:02.45 | intx | takatumi: ahh, i never saw that reference above, thanks |
| 08:03.03 | intx | bob2: cause from what you're telling me, my system is screwed from pinning already :) |
| 08:03.11 | hcy | jacobsid: thanks, that worked great! |
| 08:03.13 | bob2 | affe: no, the Debian stable archive has not moved. |
| 08:03.16 | tty1 | bob2 -> any ideas.. how i can copy a hardlink ? or some work around? |
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| 08:03.21 | Gnea | holycow: correct. i've located DVI->VGA adapters on ebay. cheap (under $10) |
| 08:03.35 | holycow | i run one right now, two 19" crts |
| 08:03.39 | takatumi | tty1: try debian-ser or debian-laptop |
| 08:03.46 | affe | bob2 hmm can you point me to a source.list that should work? |
| 08:03.46 | takatumi | s/ser/user |
| 08:03.52 | Gnea | holycow: with the adapter? |
| 08:03.54 | bob2 | tty1: you're fixated on the hardlinks. ignore it and see if it works. |
| 08:03.55 | holycow | converter came with card, but thats about the right price |
| 08:03.56 | tty1 | takatumi -> why laptop? |
| 08:03.58 | bob2 | affe: run apt-setup. |
| 08:03.59 | holycow | mine did yeah |
| 08:04.05 | Gnea | shweet!! |
| 08:04.05 | pipegeek | Sorry to bother everyone again, but there's nobody in #debian-kde, and it's getting awful late. Does anyone know what package contains the plastik kde theme, or why it wouldn't be installed along with kde 3.2 from sarge? |
| 08:04.21 | takatumi | tty1: radeonfb is common on laptops |
| 08:04.22 | Gnea | it'll be awhile before i can do that, but now i know. thanks :) |
| 08:04.33 | bob2 | !+find plastik |
| 08:04.35 | holycow | 4200ti really is a great stable card i highly recommend it |
| 08:04.37 | tty1 | bob2 -> hehe .. you think it might? even if it boots thou you think some errors may creep in later something serious i cant reverse? im messing with the kernel here so im leary to not put things back the way they were |
| 08:04.40 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'plastik' (4 shown; 40 total): (/usr/share/locale/ar/LC_MESSAGES/kwin_plastik_config.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ar ;; (/usr/share/locale/eo/LC_MESSAGES/kstyle_plastik_config.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-eo ;; (/usr/share/locale/uk/LC_MESSAGES/kstyle_plastik_config.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-uk ;; (/usr/share/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/kstyle_plastik_config.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-zhcn. |
| 08:04.44 | pipegeek | bob2:nope |
| 08:04.46 | holycow | its a bit older but still good enough for most games if you dual boot |
| 08:04.48 | holycow | *nod* no worries |
| 08:04.49 | tty1 | takatumi -> ahh thanks |
| 08:04.51 | bob2 | is it plastik or keramik which was the horribly ugly default? |
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| 08:05.04 | bob2 | tty1: if it boots, I'd be almost certain it will work fine |
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| 08:05.07 | holycow | bob2, both? |
| 08:05.12 | bob2 | hah. |
| 08:05.15 | pipegeek | keramik |
| 08:05.15 | Gnea | holycow: heh, by the time i get around to setting it up i'll probably go for a 5200 |
| 08:05.21 | Gnea | or a 5600 |
| 08:05.26 | holycow | lol |
| 08:05.30 | bob2 | tty1: worts comes to worst, you purge the kernel package and reinstall it, and get everything back the way it was |
| 08:05.33 | intx | bob2: if nothing depends on initscripts, why would removing it break things? apt-get upgrade, with stable set to 1001 priority doesn't upgrade (well, downgrade actually) anything. |
| 08:05.39 | holycow | check about the adapters before you buy of course |
| 08:05.45 | bob2 | tty1: fwiw, I get the radeonfb by passing video=radeonfb at boot time. |
| 08:05.53 | holycow | the should still come with them as lcds are not selling huge numbers because of price |
| 08:05.55 | EmleyMoor | I've transferred all my folders from name to INBOX./.name and am still seeing nothing |
| 08:06.00 | Gnea | too bad the fan on my original ddr died and the resulting heat fried the nvidia chip.. that one had a DVI |
| 08:06.01 | bob2 | intx: as I said before, it's Essential: yes. that means it's Essential, yes. |
| 08:06.09 | tty1 | bob2 -> im just worried it may screw yup other things i dont knwo about.. like make the reseirfs driver go wacko and write alls crewy to my drive or somthing..b ut ill try |
| 08:06.11 | bob2 | intx: it doesn't matter if anything Depends on it or not. |
| 08:06.20 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: INBOX.foo, INBOX.bar.baz |
| 08:06.21 | tty1 | bob2 -> do you think i should symlink instead or leave it without any link? |
| 08:06.30 | Gnea | holycow: yeah, gonna be awhile still before the rich help saturate the market |
| 08:06.31 | affe | bob, tried that, get the answer that the server closed the connection |
| 08:06.41 | intx | bob2: what does Essential mean? |
| 08:06.44 | holycow | lol Gnea its a fucking scam |
| 08:06.45 | loadA77 | i'm planning to buy an apple ibook or powerbook, but want to run debian on that. Does someone here has experiences with that? |
| 08:06.46 | EmleyMoor | Ah, right... |
| 08:06.52 | intx | bob2: apt-show-versions | fgrep /testing and /unstable show nothing. |
| 08:06.53 | holycow | i don't believe for a minute they cost as much as they do |
| 08:06.59 | holycow | ever open up a cert and lcd? |
| 08:06.59 | bob2 | tty1: the cramfs is just another filesystem, which the kernel happens to read modules from. unless the filesystem driver is fucked and returns giibberish, it'll be fine. |
| 08:07.02 | Gnea | i'm sure they don't :) |
| 08:07.08 | bob2 | intx: essential is an english word... |
| 08:07.10 | Gnea | CRT, yes.. LCD, no |
| 08:07.11 | holycow | the sheer VOLUME of hardware in a cert is staggering compared to lcd |
| 08:07.22 | Gnea | i can imagine :) |
| 08:07.22 | bob2 | tty1: but if you're scared, don't try it, I don't want to get blamed if it goes wrong :) |
| 08:07.23 | tty1 | bob2 -> sounds good.. thanks ill try |
| 08:07.28 | bob2 | affe: try another one |
| 08:07.35 | holycow | lcd is just a thin piece of plastice, some electronics around it and a backlight thingy |
| 08:07.35 | intx | bob2: yeah, but why is it essential to debian? |
| 08:07.37 | holycow | scam |
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| 08:07.49 | bob2 | intx: did you look at what was inside it? |
| 08:07.52 | bob2 | intx: dpkg -L initscripts |
| 08:07.55 | holycow | plastic even |
| 08:07.56 | SlayerXP | intx: the same way that oxygen is essential to your continued idiocy. |
| 08:08.03 | Gnea | what really gets my goat is the fact that displays like a 42" plasma screen can't go above 1024x768.. that's just wrong, especially at that price |
| 08:08.31 | bob2 | SlayerXP: harsh. |
| 08:08.38 | holycow | Gnea, heh |
| 08:08.42 | SlayerXP | bob2: but fair, I think |
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| 08:08.46 | holycow | the whole it industry is a fucking scam |
| 08:08.53 | Gnea | holycow: true, but even 10 years ago CRT's weren't cheap - it's all about market saturation and TTL |
| 08:09.13 | intx | bob2: what package takes the place of initscripts in stable? |
| 08:09.25 | holycow | there is that, but i don't think anyone really takes the consumer into account, its mostly how little can we sell for how high |
| 08:09.31 | Gnea | i don't argue the scam bit either :) |
| 08:09.42 | holycow | linux is the first consumer driven product imho :) |
| 08:09.46 | bob2 | intx: sysvinit or so, I don't remember. as I said earlier, check the changelog if you want to gory details |
| 08:09.50 | Gnea | that's why i like ebay ;) |
| 08:09.58 | holycow | ehe :) me too |
| 08:10.11 | Gnea | i just sold a bunch of hardware on there |
| 08:10.21 | Gnea | my athlon 900mhz cpu went for $28 |
| 08:10.31 | holycow | what? |
| 08:10.33 | orjan_ | Any filemaneger that suports setting acl for XFS? |
| 08:10.34 | holycow | heh |
| 08:10.36 | holycow | i have one here |
| 08:10.36 | Gnea | yup |
| 08:10.39 | holycow | i'm never selling it |
| 08:10.39 | Gnea | started it at $1 |
| 08:10.43 | Gnea | took 3 days |
| 08:10.55 | Gnea | well i replaced it with a 1ghz |
| 08:10.58 | Gnea | and i'm moving |
| 08:10.59 | holycow | you could get more than that at the salvation army :) |
| 08:11.01 | Gnea | so... :) |
| 08:11.05 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 08:11.14 | bob2 | orjan_: you've been asking for 3 days now |
| 08:11.21 | Gnea | the starvation army? ;) |
| 08:11.34 | holycow | lol :) |
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| 08:11.55 | loadA77 | exit |
| 08:12.02 | orjan_ | bob2: nods but not very often..but I guess it's time to stop.. |
| 08:12.27 | bob2 | orjan_: nah, you're just very persistent... |
| 08:12.33 | SlayerXP | !fgi orjan_ filemanager+xfs+acl |
| 08:12.34 | dpkg | orjan_: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=filemanager+xfs+acl |
| 08:12.37 | EmleyMoor | bob2: Still nothing |
| 08:12.41 | bob2 | orjan_: I'd try on the debian-user list or so |
| 08:12.57 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: well, that's how my trees are arranged |
| 08:12.57 | intx | bob2: alright, thanks |
| 08:12.59 | orjan_ | bob2: ok |
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| 08:14.37 | holycow | Gnea, your right tho, there is somethign about a system 'not' being over 1ghz :) |
| 08:14.39 | holycow | eheh |
| 08:14.55 | holycow | my other two are 1ghz and 1.4 ghz and i cant be bothered to use the 900 mhz one |
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| 08:15.22 | hazard` | anything over 33MHz is excessive |
| 08:15.28 | intx | SlayerXP: in the same way oxygen helps you complain about other people and not do anything constructive about it, inevitably adding to the problem? |
| 08:15.41 | bob2 | intx: enough |
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| 08:16.26 | intx | okay |
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| 08:17.39 | sciboy | =/ |
| 08:17.51 | tty1 | bob2 -> alright im reseting now.. cross your fingers. |
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| 08:18.40 | sciboy | dpkg won't allow me to remove "alsa-modules-2.6.8" due to this error. "Storing ALSA mixer settings...failed.", is there a way to force dpkg to remove it? |
| 08:18.41 | dpkg | that's too long, sciboy |
| 08:18.51 | hazard` | haha |
| 08:18.52 | bob2 | by fixing it, of course |
| 08:19.05 | sciboy | But i am fixing it by removing it =/ |
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| 08:19.11 | bob2 | 6no you're not |
| 08:19.15 | bob2 | you're using sid |
| 08:19.18 | bob2 | you deal with these problems |
| 08:19.34 | bob2 | edit /var/lb/dpkg/info/alsa-modules-2.6.8.prerm |
| 08:20.12 | pipegeek | !+find keramik |
| 08:20.15 | brann | hi.i've switched from 2.4 to 2.6 and now xawdecode complains that there is "No XvVideo port available" .google doesn't know much about this error message. any hint/pointer would be appreciated ! |
| 08:20.21 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'keramik' (5 shown; 50 total): (/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/krec/krec-keramik.png) in sound/krec ;; (/usr/share/apps/kstyle/themes/keramik.themerc) in libs/kdelibs-data ;; (/usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/kwin_keramik_config.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ru ;; (/usr/share/locale/ms/LC_MESSAGES/kwin_keramik_config.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-ms ;; (/usr/share/locale/hr/LC_MESSAGES/kwin_keramik_config.mo) in kde/kde-i18n-hr. |
| 08:20.24 | sciboy | bob2, That file doesn't exist =P |
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| 08:20.49 | bob2 | postrm then |
| 08:21.09 | itom | hi all; I've installed a pc with specific selected programs. Is possible to have another pc with the same programs automatically? |
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| 08:21.28 | bob2 | yes, but it's a shitty way to do things |
| 08:21.46 | bob2 | !+key --get-selection |
| 08:21.54 | bob2 | !+find --get-selection |
| 08:21.58 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '--get-selection' returned no results. |
| 08:21.59 | bob2 | blah |
| 08:22.03 | bob2 | I've forgotten hwo to use the bot |
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| 08:23.26 | jacobsid | `dpkg --get-selections > my_packages` on the host; dpgk --set-selections < my_packages on the target (will my ` avoid the bot?) |
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| 08:23.48 | bob2 | yup, thanks |
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| 08:23.56 | spo0nman | LOL!!! this is so funny Thomaz> Hi guys, I get this error: http://220.244.200.182/~thomas/databace.php, so I gather that I need a file called "mysql.sock" do you know where I can download it? |
| 08:24.01 | bob2 | then run "apt-get dselect-upgrade"on the second machine |
| 08:24.15 | bob2 | spo0nman: are you 13 years old? |
| 08:24.27 | spo0nman | bob2: hey! isnt it funny.... |
| 08:24.40 | bob2 | no. |
| 08:24.49 | spo0nman | :( |
| 08:24.50 | MrPRiM8 | I can never get cups to work on my system [testing] (cupsd just shows blank pages all the time) -- is it just me ? |
| 08:24.57 | bob2 | you need to fix your crappy script. or the php config. |
| 08:25.00 | Slartibartfast | holycow: thanks for all your help it was the refresh rate I just forced my good monitor to use the lesser monitors rate and it worked thanks a lot I really appreciate it |
| 08:25.01 | Adamo | halt |
| 08:25.16 | MrPRiM8 | i have tried removing and re-installing cups and cupsys |
| 08:25.19 | holycow | no prob, glad it worked :) |
| 08:25.21 | spo0nman | bob2: oh its some dumbass asking the question not me. |
| 08:25.21 | MrPRiM8 | and purge and all that |
| 08:25.33 | bob2 | spo0nman: oh |
| 08:25.42 | bob2 | spo0nman: then I take it all back |
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| 08:25.45 | Adamo | cant you use halt in crontab it says bad command? |
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| 08:25.58 | bob2 | Adamo: specify the full path |
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| 08:26.05 | spo0nman | bob2: i told him that its avaliable at his local grocery store in a shrik wrapped pack. |
| 08:26.12 | bob2 | haha. |
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| 08:27.35 | gabkin | anyone have any experience with damn small Linux and Samba shares? |
| 08:27.47 | bob2 | this is #debian. |
| 08:27.50 | gabkin | its a variant of debian |
| 08:27.53 | g4lt | gabkin #damnsmalllinux |
| 08:28.00 | g4lt | !essentially debian |
| 08:28.01 | dpkg | [essentially debian] yeah, xandros, libra, knoppix are all essentially debian, but methanol is essentially ethanol, and we don't recommend you drink methanol either. Just like you don't go to a Mitsubishi dealership for help with a Plymouth Champ, or a VW dealership for help with a Porsche 914/4, don't ask #debian for help with your pseudo-Debian: either get help from your distributor or switch to full-on Debian |
| 08:28.05 | gabkin | sorry, thanks |
| 08:28.41 | MrPRiM8 | does the cupsd work in debian/testing for any of you ? |
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| 08:28.55 | MrPRiM8 | (port 631 web administration thing) |
| 08:28.55 | holycow | that sounds more like a samba or nfs question as well |
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| 08:29.12 | holycow | MrPRiM8, yep |
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| 08:29.52 | MrPRiM8 | holycow, ah... must just be me then,.. hrm. |
| 08:30.26 | boxix | hello, someone knows which ethernet gigabyte nics have a functionning driver ? |
| 08:30.53 | g4lt | is a gigabyte nic 8000basefx? |
| 08:31.01 | bob2 | I hear e1000's work |
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| 08:31.21 | bob2 | boxix: isn't it easiset to just check what nics are supported in your kernel source? |
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| 08:31.30 | bob2 | MrPRiM8: if it didn't, it would be mentioned in the BTS |
| 08:32.04 | MrPRiM8 | bob2, it won't work for me, even after lots of tinkering and reinstalling,... and i can't seem to use the stable one either, because of some dependency mess :( |
| 08:32.30 | boxix | bob2: i seeking for personnal experiences with gygabyte ... |
| 08:32.37 | tty1 | bob2 -> no luck.. it came up to ablank screen |
| 08:32.40 | bob2 | eesh |
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| 08:32.49 | bob2 | tty1: does video=radeonfb work? |
| 08:33.02 | bob2 | MrPRiM8: the web interface is justblank? |
| 08:33.14 | MrPRiM8 | bob2, it shows the index page, but none of the following pages (cgi) work |
| 08:33.18 | MrPRiM8 | bob2, they just show blank screens |
| 08:33.20 | tty1 | bob2 -> havent tried it..i thought the format was vga=### .. i didnt know youc ould specify the driver there |
| 08:33.26 | bob2 | MrPRiM8: file a bug. |
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| 08:33.33 | bob2 | tty1: vga would an x86ism |
| 08:33.33 | MrPRiM8 | bob2, with debian or with cups ? |
| 08:33.38 | bob2 | or are you on x86? |
| 08:33.41 | bob2 | mrdebian |
| 08:33.57 | bob2 | MrPRiM8: Debian. |
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| 08:34.04 | tty1 | bob2 -> im on a a dual xeon system .. it is a x86 architecutre |
| 08:34.21 | SlayerXP | tty1: you have my sympathy |
| 08:34.33 | bob2 | hey, I use a dual xeon |
| 08:34.38 | bob2 | it's fucking fast |
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| 08:34.47 | bob2 | tty1: try video=radeonfb |
| 08:34.55 | bob2 | it's what I use on my ibook, at least |
| 08:35.08 | tty1 | bob2 -> yea it is.. i love my box.. its a beast.. dual channel memory, a scsi :) |
| 08:35.10 | tty1 | bob2 -> i will thanks. |
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| 08:35.17 | g4lt | bob2 when are you going to graduate to a useful system, like a sun3? |
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| 08:35.28 | bob2 | g4lt: hey, it's not mine, I just use it |
| 08:35.36 | holycow | i don't know why i find it amusing that linux runs great on apple hardware |
| 08:35.37 | bob2 | my ibook serves me well |
| 08:35.40 | bob2 | except when I hate it |
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| 08:35.51 | bob2 | holycow: except for the fucking wireless nic |
| 08:35.56 | bob2 | !kill broadcom |
| 08:35.57 | holycow | i just think thats neat ... a company that is so sheltered and self protective gets pwned |
| 08:36.13 | bob2 | well, they're not getting pwned |
| 08:36.20 | bob2 | I paid a big gob of cash for it |
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| 08:36.30 | bob2 | and I even paid for os X as part of that |
| 08:36.33 | holycow | lol same is true with wireless cards on x86 lappies |
| 08:37.06 | g4lt | bob2 it's insidious: first we get them all using fink, then we point out that linux > macos, then we slowly pull them in ;) |
| 08:37.14 | bob2 | holycow: at least you can use ndiswrapper |
| 08:37.16 | holycow | ehe i know, its the whole attitude of it thing. |
| 08:37.17 | bob2 | g4lt: hah |
| 08:37.23 | bob2 | yeah |
| 08:37.33 | holycow | bob2, does anyone run that successfully? never tried |
| 08:37.36 | bob2 | and I really doubt that their chipsets are *that* special |
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| 08:37.41 | bob2 | holycow: lots of people use it |
| 08:37.43 | nihil | hi! |
| 08:37.50 | holycow | cool :) |
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| 08:38.01 | brann | xvideo worked with 2.4, and doesnt now i've installed 2.6 ... any possible reason to that? |
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| 08:38.22 | bob2 | lots |
| 08:38.24 | bob2 | !+worked in 2.4 |
| 08:38.25 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 08:38.36 | bob2 | he even takes Visa now, iirc |
| 08:38.42 | bob2 | boxix: DRI would be the obvious one |
| 08:38.49 | nihil | how do I setup locale ru_RU.KOI8-R in debian, how do I make in boot ibto console, not in X? |
| 08:38.53 | itom | you know if possible to install linux in a old mac 4400/200? |
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| 08:39.28 | jm_ | nihil: dpkg-reconfigure locales ; /msg dpkg nodm |
| 08:39.29 | brann | bob2:) hehe, more seriously, what relevant data should i give? i've been googling 2 hours, without finding out the problem :( |
| 08:39.47 | bob2 | itom: is it a powerpc? |
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| 08:40.27 | tty1 | bob2 -> no luck.. it said it was an invalid mode number or something along those lines |
| 08:40.30 | boxix | bob2: DRI ? |
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| 08:40.58 | nihil | jm_ thanks a lot! one more.. my user doesnot seem to have much rights for creating files for gnome in /tmp.. what do I do about that? |
| 08:41.00 | EmleyMoor | bob2: Does INDEX.foo need to be a subdirectory of INBOX.? |
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| 08:41.21 | itom | bob2, CPU: PowerPC 603e |
| 08:41.25 | bob2 | EmleyMoor: mine's in the same dir. |
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| 08:41.34 | bob2 | itom: then probably, www.debian.org/ports/ppc/ |
| 08:41.37 | tell | how do i make an app run as root from a desktop launcher? (gnome) |
| 08:41.45 | EmleyMoor | Well, mine are not valid... though INBOX. is! |
| 08:41.53 | jm_ | tell: use sux |
| 08:42.07 | tty1 | bob2 -> was there somethign else i had to do.. jsut "vga=radeonfb" .. amybe "video=radeonfb" or something that is simialr but not the same? |
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| 08:42.33 | bob2 | tty1: I said video=radeonfb |
| 08:42.37 | itom | bob2, thanks I read it |
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| 08:42.39 | tty1 | bob2 -> doh! |
| 08:42.48 | tty1 | bob2 -> im such an idiot sometimes |
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| 08:42.51 | bob2 | itom: then if you need more help, #debianppc. |
| 08:43.09 | aragorn | bob2 : so what should i do, where can i find why xvideo is now failing with my new kernel |
| 08:43.12 | gothtec | ppc pwns :D |
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| 08:43.32 | bob2 | aragorn: do you swear absolutely nothing else has changed? |
| 08:43.39 | bob2 | and that if you reboot into 2.4 it works fine? |
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| 08:44.23 | aragorn | bob2: i've made apt-get install kernel-image-2.6foo ,and thats all. i'll reboot, hold one 2min |
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| 08:44.45 | itom | bob2, http://www.debian.org/ports/ppc dosn't exist |
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| 08:45.04 | bob2 | then use a teeny little bit of initiative |
| 08:45.09 | bob2 | ports/powerpc |
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| 08:45.48 | nihil | jm_ thanks a lot! one more.. my user doesnot seem to have much rights for creating files for gnome in /tmp.. what do I do about that? |
| 08:45.52 | MrPRiM8 | is there a way i can reinstall all of the dependencies for a package ? (i can see them with apt-cache depends) |
| 08:45.53 | g4lt | well the p could also mean pathetic.... |
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| 08:46.07 | itom | bob2, I found that exist http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ |
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| 08:46.39 | nihil | well I'll reboot and see if xdm starts again |
| 08:47.04 | bob2 | MrPRiM8: how would that help? |
| 08:48.02 | MrPRiM8 | bob2, i dunno... i installed this system unstable and then moved to testing... i was thinking maybe it would reinstall some package down to testing and work |
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| 08:48.17 | EmleyMoor | I'm still getting no joy seeing my folders with imap |
| 08:48.18 | bob2 | ewww |
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| 08:48.32 | MrPRiM8 | bob2, everything works beautifully except cups |
| 08:48.42 | aragorn | bob2: i dont understand. i've just reboot with my old 2.4 kernel, and its not working. but i swear i have only apt-getted the new kernel, and nothing else!!! |
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| 08:49.54 | zotoro | hello!! |
| 08:50.00 | scarynetworkguy | !hello |
| 08:50.01 | dpkg | Hi, scarynetworkguy! |
| 08:50.01 | Tzigane | Howdy! |
| 08:50.57 | Tzigane | And I'm spent... |
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| 08:51.42 | orjan_ | EmleyMoor: had that problem once using mutt with the wrong mask |
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| 08:54.14 | tell | i can only use k3b as root, because otherwise my writer won't appear in the menu when wanting to burn. how can this be? |
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| 08:54.19 | quitte | I'm trying to get the backstreet ruby system working on my system. But I want it to work with two consoles, not two xservers. The docs say framebuffer doesn'T work, but otoh the docs are very old, and i can't find the dumb console in the kernel config anywhere. anyone here that has experience with that patch? |
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| 08:54.28 | EmleyMoor | orjan_: This affects both mutt and imp |
| 08:54.40 | roo9 | what program would you reccomend to convert a sequence of jpegs to some type of movie file? |
| 08:55.15 | dondelelcaro | roo9: uh, imagemagick can do that iirc. |
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| 08:56.58 | EmleyMoor | Anyone familiar with maildir layout requirements for courier-imap? |
| 08:57.10 | orjan_ | EmleyMoor: in muttrc I the mask option to =. |
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| 08:57.31 | EmleyMoor | orjan_: Not using. |
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| 08:58.17 | aragorn | bob2:i've finally figured it out : the new kernel has deleted custom stuff in my /etc/modules.conf, including my tuners setting |
| 08:58.28 | tell | how do i get write access to my cdwriter as a regular user? |
| 08:58.31 | caphuso | aragorn: duh |
| 08:58.44 | caphuso | aragorn: why the hell did you add custom stuff to /etc/modules.conf? |
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| 08:59.15 | caphuso | wasn't the big fat warning "do not edit this file" obvious enough? |
| 08:59.18 | aragorn | caphuso: because my tv card didnt worked before, and i've found several messages on mailing lists telling to do so |
| 08:59.29 | bob2 | Debian != redhat |
| 08:59.32 | tty2 | bob2 -> that didnt work.. when i do it that way it loads no framebuffer at all |
| 08:59.33 | caphuso | aragorn: read "head /etc/modules.conf" |
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| 09:00.28 | aragorn | caphuso : ok, i see. thx |
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| 09:00.38 | zakame | ehlo, anyone runing linux-2.6.9-rc2-mm4 with nvidia glx? |
| 09:02.27 | aragorn | caphuso: modules.conf told me to see man update-modules, which told me that this command is obsolet now... |
| 09:02.42 | jm_ | araga;it is, for 2.6 kernel |
| 09:02.43 | Coke | Hello. I look at the python2.3-omniorb2 package and it depends on omniorb4, yet the documentation says that the latest version of omniorbpy ONLY works with omniorb3 and 2.8. What's up whith this? Big mistake from maintainers or outdated docs? |
| 09:03.05 | caphuso | aragorn: why do you have module-init-tools installed if you don't use a 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:03.14 | aragorn | jm_ so where should i put my configuration stuff. ie my tuner settings for the bttv module |
| 09:03.24 | aragorn | caphuso: i use a 2.6 kernel (installed it 2hours ago) |
| 09:03.38 | caphuso | aragorn: why are you using /etc/modules.conf if you're using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:03.57 | jm_ | aragorn: read docs for module-init-tools |
| 09:04.04 | aragorn | jm_: ok ill do that |
| 09:04.17 | aragorn | caphuso: hmm... because i'm dumb? thx for the hints |
| 09:04.23 | tty2 | does anyone know how i can get the radeonfb loaded inplace of vesafb (framebuffer) .. i tried video=radeonfb:1600x1200 but when then it loads no framebuffer at all acording to /proc/fb.. anyoen know? |
| 09:04.40 | zakame | ehlo, anyone runing linux-2.6.9-rc2-mm4 with nvidia glx? can't get the nvidia drivers to work... |
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| 09:05.31 | g4lt | !tell zakame about repeat |
| 09:05.48 | zakame | !tell g4lt about sorry |
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| 09:05.55 | Slartibarfast | zakame: check out #nvidia |
| 09:06.04 | zakame | Slartibarfast: thanks |
| 09:06.22 | Slartibarfast | zakame: np |
| 09:06.26 | bob2 | zakame: don't use experimental kernels if you don't read lkml |
| 09:06.33 | try_catch_this | in linux what do I need to do to share a printer across a network? |
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| 09:06.37 | bob2 | since mm breaks shitty binary modules a regular basis |
| 09:06.52 | try_catch_this | the printer is connected to my main pc |
| 09:07.06 | try_catch_this | the 2 are connected by a crosscable |
| 09:07.11 | zakame | bob2: have been reading lkml, heard about the -mm kernels from there, got interested in running one... |
| 09:07.16 | aragorn | jm: no doc for module-init-tools (although a package with that name is installed) |
| 09:07.22 | tty2 | bob2 -> got any more ideas? |
| 09:07.25 | linuxfreak-gamer | hallo gamers |
| 09:08.00 | jm_ | aragorn: that's bullshit, it has man pages |
| 09:08.08 | jm_ | as well as /usr/share/doc/module-init-tools/FAQ |
| 09:09.03 | aragorn | jm_ : i've found the FAQ, but man module-init-tools tell me that no entry is available:( |
| 09:09.17 | jm_ | aragorn: dpkg -L module-init-tools |
| 09:09.50 | aragorn | jm_: and? |
| 09:09.57 | jm_ | aragorn: read |
| 09:09.59 | g4lt | bob2 keep the triggerfinger on the kill, I suspect trouble.... |
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| 09:10.21 | zakame | in the -mm kernels is it safe to say Y on all the available schedulers to be conpiled into the kernel? |
| 09:10.32 | zakame | s/con/com/ |
| 09:11.28 | aragorn | jm_: theres a /usr/share/man/fr line. but i dont know i it's what u want me to read |
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| 09:12.18 | EmleyMoor | Try as I might, I am still having problems with folder layout for imap - either it's looking somewhere other than where I have my maildir or the layout inside is wrong - is there a good way for me to discover what is wrong? |
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| 09:13.19 | aragorn | jm_: ok, it seems i have to do man insmod.modutils and so on (man module-init-tools doesnt work) |
| 09:13.29 | caphuso | aragorn: no |
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| 09:13.53 | jm_ | aragorn: no, man isnmod is enough |
| 09:14.02 | jm_ | insmod even, and consider using modprobe instead |
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| 09:16.45 | g4lt | aragorn insmod doesn't even work on 2.6 kernels.... |
| 09:17.04 | aragorn | g4lt: so how do i set up my tuner type ? |
| 09:17.20 | g4lt | aragorn modprobe, like jm_ suggested |
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| 09:18.01 | aragorn | g4lt:ok thx |
| 09:19.03 | aragorn | g4lt: so can i use modconf? or is it only for 2.4 kernels? |
| 09:19.08 | kerpal23_ | I have a named daemon running on one of my machines, it has a class A to something.com.. I goto use it for a nameserver for another domain the webgui is saing.. "unable to verify existence of nameserver ciaotampa.com " the port is open.. is thier anything I am missing? |
| 09:19.19 | g4lt | aragorn nothing stopping you from using modconf |
| 09:19.24 | Fpanel | why do people come up to linux geeks and ask there windoze problems that they have and think you know the answer? |
| 09:19.51 | g4lt | Fpanel because windoze geeks are STUPID |
| 09:19.56 | Phated | Fpanel: Because they have the not completely inaccurate idea that Linux geeks know -everything-. |
| 09:20.01 | Fpanel | at lest it not as bad as them calling up there isp (boy i fell sorry for them) |
| 09:20.01 | MobyTurbo | Fpanel: because you *do* know the answer to their windows problems. "Install Linux" |
| 09:20.08 | Phated | OK, he wins. |
| 09:20.16 | Fpanel | lol |
| 09:20.19 | kerpal23_ | ?? |
| 09:20.38 | g4lt | kerpal23_ !! |
| 09:20.43 | Fpanel | ok if i want to sell distros on ebay which one will make the most money? |
| 09:21.18 | Penix | Fpanel: SLS |
| 09:21.24 | Penix | teehee |
| 09:21.37 | Phated | Fpanel: Hm. You can ask for obscene amounts of money for Windows and yet it'll be cheaper than regular Windows, while if you ask for the same amounts for Linux they'll laugh and go download it. XD |
| 09:21.40 | kerpal23_ | why dont you go on ebay and search and see |
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| 09:22.02 | Fpanel | ok |
| 09:22.05 | aragorn | i've done modprobe bttv card=39, but it's still not working. am i suppose to do something so that changes are applied? |
| 09:22.14 | kerpal23_ | g4lt how much do you know about dns? |
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| 09:23.11 | Fpanel | well i think ubuntu is going to take over a lot of distro like fedora if they ported YaST over to linux (i mean debian) |
| 09:23.36 | Phated | NOT UBUNTU OH GOD NO! |
| 09:23.46 | kerpal23_ | ubunto? |
| 09:23.46 | g4lt | Fpanel tehy didn't, yast is cproprietary |
| 09:24.03 | Phated | kerpal23_: Don't ask, won't tell, will be much happier. |
| 09:24.17 | kerpal23_ | yast is becomming opensource. |
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| 09:24.35 | Zero_Dogg | drakconf is a good open source GUI conf util |
| 09:24.36 | Fpanel | YaST is GPL'd already |
| 09:25.21 | Fpanel | novel is GPL everything they own NOW they only forgot to do it to the Unix they onwed before sco got there nasty hand on it |
| 09:25.52 | Penix | thank god |
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| 09:26.10 | Karhuton | What's soo bad about ubuntu? |
| 09:26.37 | petemc | seems ok to me |
| 09:26.40 | Fpanel | ubuntu is like the red hat of debian |
| 09:26.50 | petemc | hows that then? |
| 09:26.50 | Phated | Indeed. Which sucks. |
| 09:26.52 | Karhuton | Ewww. |
| 09:27.07 | Karhuton | Fpanel, that isn't a compilent. |
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| 09:27.38 | Fpanel | it pop. but there are better that people havent herd about |
| 09:27.45 | scarynetworkguy | yes yes it is but with even worse security |
| 09:27.59 | petemc | pffft |
| 09:28.23 | petemc | scarynetworkguy: mac osx does the same thing, are the people that work on it fools as well? |
| 09:28.36 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy you didn't hear that adamantix was going over to ubuntu next release? ;P |
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| 09:28.46 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt: what? |
| 09:28.56 | g4lt | petemc now that you mention it....... |
| 09:29.00 | scarynetworkguy | petemc: it would seem so. |
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| 09:30.07 | petemc | scarynetworkguy: apart from you "removes one layer of security" argument, what else is so wrong with, be as technical as you like |
| 09:30.14 | petemc | +it |
| 09:30.19 | scarynetworkguy | petemc: note that *most* people agree with me. To include the authors of sudo who in every bit of doc mention that is is for giving non-root users limited access to run apps as root *not* for replacing root as a way of admining a box |
| 09:30.30 | Karhuton | petemc, what layer? |
| 09:30.37 | petemc | Karhuton: ask scarynetworkguy |
| 09:30.46 | Karhuton | scarynetworkguy, what layer? |
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| 09:31.05 | petemc | scarynetworkguy: so asking someone to set up a root password is much better than giving them full sudo? |
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| 09:31.38 | Fpanel | i say install sarge then use ubuntu's apt mirror |
| 09:31.52 | petemc | scarynetworkguy: it would appear the big brains behind osx and ubuntu dont agree with you |
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| 09:32.23 | scarynetworkguy | petemc: find someone respected in the *unix* community who agrees with you |
| 09:32.41 | Dirk_Gently | me agrees with petemc |
| 09:32.54 | Karhuton | petemc: Those big brains are only thinking about little brains, that can't understand what they're doing, so that things would be easier for the little ones. |
| 09:32.59 | g4lt | petemc my fear is one Sunday, someone's going to ask hotw to recover root's password, because they visudo'd themselves out |
| 09:33.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Studies show small brains are actually smarter, so. |
| 09:33.01 | Dirk_Gently | s/sentence/ |
| 09:33.25 | tty1 | oh my fucking god... i cant figure out how to make my system load the radeonfb instead of the vesafb .. i tryed video=radeonfb, and i even modified the initrd, but it always just boots with no framebuffer in place when i do that. |
| 09:33.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: cool :D |
| 09:33.36 | g4lt | petemc ...and OF COURSE, they're going to ask here, because ubuntu is Debian, right? |
| 09:33.45 | Karhuton | video=vga16:off ? |
| 09:33.50 | scarynetworkguy | petemc: note that the authors of sudo disagree with you |
| 09:33.51 | takatumi | tty1: vesafb :) |
| 09:33.56 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: tsk tsk. do you know the people behind ubuntu? don't diss those that you're not aquainted with till you know at least who they are |
| 09:34.01 | petemc | g4lt: the ubuntu channel is quite active, it would be fine to direct them there |
| 09:34.07 | g4lt | petemc and when they do, we're going to refer them to you |
| 09:34.12 | petemc | scarynetworkguy: show me where they say that |
| 09:34.24 | tty1 | takatumi -> but the resolution isnt high enough.. i want mega resolution. |
| 09:34.28 | Karhuton | Then load the radeonfb as module - or possibly try: video=vga16:off video=radeonfb ? |
| 09:34.45 | Fpanel | so if you want ubuntu install sarge THEN UPGRADE USING THE UBUNTU APT MIRROR TAHT WAY YOU DONT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH ROOT AND SUDO |
| 09:34.51 | tty1 | Karhuton -> how do i load it as a mdoule.. jsut modprobe it at the prompt? |
| 09:34.56 | SlayerXP | dpkg: YADDC is (Yet Another Dumb Debian Clone. Stop trying to fix what isn't broken, guys.) |
| 09:34.56 | dpkg | okay, SlayerXP |
| 09:35.02 | Karhuton | tty1, yeah. |
| 09:35.03 | Fpanel | sheesss i started a war here |
| 09:35.09 | tty1 | i tryed video=radeonfb .. but not with the vga16:off part. |
| 09:35.15 | kerpal23_ | whats the diff between ubunto and debian |
| 09:35.23 | tty1 | Karhuton -> i tried that before and the screen went compeltly black and only showed a cursor |
| 09:35.27 | Karhuton | Though I've had problems with radeonfb crasing sometimes. |
| 09:35.28 | kerpal23_ | just looked at the bs.. and it seem slike another lame debian rip |
| 09:35.34 | SlayerXP | kerpal23_: echo debian > 1; echo ubunto > 2; diff 1 2 |
| 09:35.50 | g4lt | kerpal23_ nobody will go into #ubuntu asking stupid Debian questions for starters |
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| 09:36.00 | Karhuton | tty1: Sometimes you have to change to another tty and then switch back and it'll redraw. |
| 09:36.00 | SlayerXP | ooh, could someone with bot-fu make an action for me? |
| 09:36.05 | Phated | g4lt: Yeha, they come -here- asking stupid ubuntu questions. :| |
| 09:36.17 | Karhuton | Besides vesa can do 1024x768@32bits i'd remember. |
| 09:36.23 | cef_work | least the ubuntu guys took the time to make sure that things say 'ubuntu' instead of debian, and pointing people to ubuntu for support |
| 09:36.26 | g4lt | SlayerXP expn the action.... |
| 09:36.29 | tty1 | Karhuton -> ill try.. but last time it killed my whole system when i did that and i had to do a hard reboot... but let me try.. illb e back if i get booted |
| 09:36.31 | cef_work | unlike knoppix |
| 09:36.41 | kerpal23_ | what do you mean its tottaly diff |
| 09:36.41 | Karhuton | vga=761 was 1024 w/ 8bits if i remember correctly |
| 09:37.02 | SlayerXP | g4lt: !diff nick item1 item2 == nick: echo $item1 > 1; echo $item2 > 2; diff 1 2 |
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| 09:37.21 | g4lt | cef_work there are some damned ingenious idiots out there... |
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| 09:38.02 | g4lt | SlayerXP that may have some bug issues with short-addressing.... |
| 09:38.34 | SlayerXP | g4lt: *looks blankly* |
| 09:38.36 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: full bot's name instead of short addressing helps (bug g4lt mentioned) |
| 09:39.07 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: I have no idea what you're talking about :) |
| 09:39.07 | g4lt | but we can do it up, np there |
| 09:39.16 | simonrvn | e.g. |
| 09:39.19 | cef_work | g4lt: indeed there are.. I'm still not sure wether I'm one of them though *grin* |
| 09:39.19 | simonrvn | !! |
| 09:39.19 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 09:39.25 | simonrvn | dpkg: ! |
| 09:39.30 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 09:39.34 | simonrvn | that |
| 09:39.53 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: grok it now? |
| 09:39.58 | SlayerXP | i think so |
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| 09:40.40 | simonrvn | put another way: instead of referring to the bot via its command character, you refer to it via its nick |
| 09:40.43 | tty2 | Karhuton -> yea.. it goes belly up when i do that |
| 09:41.03 | g4lt | dpkg cmd: diff (.*?) (.*?) (.*?) is ($1) ($2) ($3): $3: echo $1 > 1; echo $2 > 2; diff 1 2 |
| 09:41.03 | dpkg | okay, g4lt |
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| 09:41.17 | Karhuton | tty2: are you going to watch movies in frambuffer or something? |
| 09:41.20 | g4lt | !diff foo bar SlayerXP |
| 09:41.21 | dpkg | $3: echo $1 > 1; echo $2 > 2; diff 1 2 |
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| 09:41.38 | g4lt | shit, bug $2 in blootbots :( |
| 09:41.41 | captainmubbers | hey... i'm having problems booting into my debian system... can i rescue it by booting from the installation cds? |
| 09:41.46 | tty2 | Karhuton -> no.. but id like to do msot things in the framebuffer.. id otn like X .. but i need a high resolution for it to be bearable for me |
| 09:42.00 | tty2 | Karhuton -> and i am considering video too actually ..b ut thats not why |
| 09:42.03 | elirips | hi people. suddenly my home partition is full. how can i find out where my free place has gone too? i dont remember the name of the command to see the size of the content of directories... |
| 09:42.06 | captainmubbers | i just need to mount /dev/hda1 |
| 09:42.15 | tty2 | elirips -> du |
| 09:42.24 | Karhuton | then i suggest 8bit 1024x768 or so. I'd remember it's vga=761 |
| 09:42.30 | elirips | tty2: thx :) i should write this things down |
| 09:42.34 | g4lt | blootbots don't like multivariate factoids ATM |
| 09:42.46 | Karhuton | with larger depths it somewhat slower. |
| 09:42.53 | tty2 | elirips -> the -h and -s options are useful for what yoru doing |
| 09:43.12 | tty2 | -h makes it list the size in megabytes or gigs.. and -s summarizes the directory and doesnt show every file |
| 09:43.35 | elirips | thanks tty2.. i'm really wondering what programm got crazy and filled up my home partition |
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| 09:44.34 | tty2 | elirips -> if you do du -hs it will jsut tell yout he size of the current directory ... i often use du -hs ./* to list the size of each directory from where i am at |
| 09:44.39 | captainmubbers | i remebmer something about an option where i could provide: boot=/dev/hda1 |
| 09:44.46 | captainmubbers | but the installation cd doesn't seem to allow that |
| 09:44.55 | itom | hi I've "tmpfs 62M 8,0K 62M 1% /dev/shm" in my new sarge installation, how to disable it? |
| 09:45.13 | jm_ | itom: don't |
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| 09:45.40 | tty2 | captainmubbers -> when i tell it not to install to the mbr it asks where ot install too (if i recall that is what the boot option is for right.. wehre to install the boot secotor) |
| 09:45.46 | elirips | tty2: thanks again. i was just reading the man-page to find how to do that. |
| 09:45.50 | itom | jm_, but I've only 128mb of ram and 64 are used for tmpfs |
| 09:46.04 | Slartibarfast | jm_: about that is it dynamic, does it change according to ram need, and can i use it for temrary files? |
| 09:46.09 | jm_ | itom: it's dynamic |
| 09:46.11 | Fpanel | #ubuntu dont have +t on so we can abuse there topic if we are bord |
| 09:46.13 | captainmubbers | i want to boot from it, not to install too it |
| 09:46.14 | tty2 | elirips -> no problems.. im all for helping people isntead of telling them to jsut read the manual.. when its reasonable to do so. |
| 09:46.23 | Ancillius | has one of yours lm=sensors running on an intel centrino boards with 855GM chipset and 82801DBM/DBL/DB ICH4? |
| 09:46.32 | jm_ | itom: read tmpfs.txt |
| 09:46.33 | g4lt | Fpanel DO NOT troll other channels! |
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| 09:46.46 | jm_ | Slartibarfast: ditto for you |
| 09:46.55 | Fpanel | i am not that board |
| 09:46.59 | Slartibarfast | jm_: where can i find that? |
| 09:47.05 | tty2 | g4lt -> oh come on he was jsut jokin |
| 09:47.05 | elirips | tty2: you know by chance too how to make du list also the hidden-directories? |
| 09:47.07 | scarynetworkguy | Fpanel: If the ever come in here we can kick their asses but to troll them lowers us. So don't do it |
| 09:47.08 | jm_ | Slartibarfast: kernel docs |
| 09:48.04 | g4lt | tty2 hand out here for a repeated troll attack from #gentoo before you talk about that.... |
| 09:48.26 | tty2 | elirips -> not off hand... you can try du -hs ./.* but i dont think that will change anything |
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| 09:48.50 | tty2 | g4lt -> what do you mean.. i never bitched about #gentoo .. i think nothing but the best of those people.. i did however bitch about gentoo the distro |
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| 09:49.12 | g4lt | I for one will be vigorously pushing to have someone who does a #debian-based cross-troll banned |
| 09:49.16 | tty2 | elirips -> actually du -hs ./.* worked for me |
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| 09:49.27 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt: yes yes |
| 09:49.30 | Karhuton | tty: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html |
| 09:49.32 | tty2 | g4lt -> what do you mean? |
| 09:49.41 | Karhuton | there's a list of modes for vesa frame buffer. |
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| 09:49.45 | g4lt | tty2 did I stutter? |
| 09:49.47 | tty2 | g4lt -> ive never spoken bad on ANY channels |
| 09:49.54 | Phated | g4lt: Right behind you. |
| 09:50.06 | tty2 | g4lt -> i bitched about the distro itself .. but not any channels |
| 09:50.18 | g4lt | if somebody trolls other channelds from #debian, god have mercy on their sould, because >I< won't |
| 09:50.33 | tty2 | g4lt -> what are you tlakigna bout.. i didnt! |
| 09:50.42 | Phated | g4lt: You're on a roll, mate, keep going. |
| 09:51.21 | orjan_ | I'm trying to access webmin from anther box on the same local net without luck. At localhost it works so webmin is running and I can open apache from the other box. What to check? |
| 09:51.31 | tty2 | !webmin |
| 09:51.32 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 09:52.24 | cef_work | g4lt: heh |
| 09:52.27 | orjan_ | tty2: is it only dondelcaro who hates it or is it really that bad? |
| 09:52.29 | Slartibarfast | who is dondelelcaro? |
| 09:52.36 | cef_work | g4lt: I'm sure that he won't either |
| 09:52.44 | tty2 | orjan -> you need to change the info int he conf file.. it denys connections from everythign but localhost by default |
| 09:52.46 | Phated | Slartibarfast: Someone you don't want to cross. |
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| 09:53.04 | tty2 | orjan -> nah i jsut thought it was funny.. i thinkw ebmin is ok to learn with.. but it is horrible int erms of security |
| 09:53.09 | Slartibarfast | Phated: ill keep that in mind |
| 09:53.18 | orjan_ | tty2: ok, could that be the realm option? |
| 09:53.19 | Phated | Slartibarfast: Good. :) |
| 09:53.24 | tty2 | g4lt -> WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I TROLLED ABOUT ANY OTHER CHANNELS? |
| 09:53.28 | Slartibarfast | Phated: lol |
| 09:53.39 | tty2 | g4lt -> caps lock soory |
| 09:53.43 | adar | I've got a small dependency problem with apt. I've got two apt sources, both of which supply a libtheora0, one with a much newer version. The apt source with the older version of libtheora0 also supplies libtheora-dev, which depends on the old version of libtheora0. I've got the newer version of libtheora0 installed, how can I get apt to remove it, install the older version of libtheora0, then install libtheora-dev? |
| 09:53.54 | tty2 | orjan -> ill find out for you.. one sec |
| 09:54.19 | g4lt | tty2 if you insist on being isnulted, I can think of a lot more exciting things to insult you on than that.... |
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| 09:54.40 | tty2 | g4lt -> no.. your upset at something i did and id liek to remedy that.. that is all |
| 09:54.45 | Phated | tty2: Just stop now. He never meant you. He meant anyone. It was you who started going "what do you mean?" |
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| 09:55.10 | Phated | simonrvn: Nooo... don't leave me with them! :) |
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| 09:55.26 | tty2 | orjan -> it is /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf ... edit the line allow .. put the iop you want to allow access there.. if hter eis more then one seperate it with spaces |
| 09:55.34 | tty2 | err orjan_ |
| 09:55.42 | tty2 | Phated -> ahh i misunderstood him then |
| 09:55.45 | orjan_ | tty2: ok thanks |
| 09:55.51 | Phated | tty2: Indeed you did. Now apologise. |
| 09:55.53 | Phated | :) |
| 09:55.54 | scarynetworkguy | tty2: I think you doth protest too much |
| 09:56.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: note that tty2 is freemo |
| 09:56.17 | tty2 | scarynetworkguy -> what protesting.. im just trying to find out what i did wrong.. and fix it or not do it again |
| 09:56.38 | scarynetworkguy | tty2: yeah |
| 09:56.43 | tty2 | Phated -> i would gladly apaologize if i knew what for. for misunderstanding and starting a confusion.. sure.. im sorry for that. |
| 09:56.51 | Phated | tty2: Yay. |
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| 09:56.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: And freemo is? |
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| 09:57.04 | tty2 | Phated -> you dont know me dont worry |
| 09:57.13 | tty2 | Slartibarfast -> about 5'10" 150 lbs :) |
| 09:57.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I could be wrong as I often am but I seem to recall him as a troll |
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| 09:57.37 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Got log, will know. XD |
| 09:57.41 | g4lt | Slartibarfast ask sussudio for a lastlog of freemo, it might be enlightening.... |
| 09:57.45 | findme | interesting, someone changed the hard drive while the puter was powered on.:-) |
| 09:57.49 | tty2 | scarynetworkguy -> ivew never itnentionally trolled.. in face i try (and fail aparently) not to the best i can |
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| 09:58.11 | Ghido | hi, i've to schedule a file movement from a folder to another one every hour; do u know if there's a way to automatize this operation? |
| 09:58.24 | g4lt | Ghido man cron |
| 09:58.25 | findme | Ghido, shell + cron |
| 09:58.41 | Ghido | thanks |
| 09:58.46 | findme | Ghido, google , there may be scripts already available. |
| 09:58.52 | scarynetworkguy | tty2: like I said I tend to apply that label easilty and could be wrong |
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| 09:58.55 | Ghido | thanks |
| 09:58.58 | Slartibarfast | g4lt: you lost me at susodio |
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| 09:59.29 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: everyone makes mistakes, it's the learning from them that's the hard part. |
| 09:59.34 | g4lt | Slartibarfast just forget it |
| 09:59.34 | tty2 | scarynetworkguy -> well it isnt completly wrong.. there seems to be people that get mad at me.. adn i try to make things right and they get mroe mad.. i jsut dont know why or how.. cause if i did i wouldnt do whatever pisses people off |
| 10:00.03 | Phated | cef_work: Hey! :) |
| 10:00.09 | cef_work | Phated: heya |
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| 10:00.30 | tell | how do i make an app run in su-mode from a gnome launcher on the desktop? |
| 10:00.30 | Slartibarfast | g4lt: does it have anything to do with phil collins? |
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| 10:00.50 | Phated | cef_work: What's up? |
| 10:00.50 | Penix | tell: man sudo |
| 10:00.54 | cef_work | Phated: work, work, and more work |
| 10:01.02 | Phated | cef_work: Sad. |
| 10:01.11 | cef_work | tell: man gksu |
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| 10:01.58 | tty1 | scarynetworkguy -> then perhaps you can enlighten me as to why |
| 10:02.13 | g4lt | good god, does ANYONE use their head for something other than a hatrack anymore? |
| 10:02.32 | cef_work | Phated: yeah.. I had to move my workplace.. I was the one organising it all... it's been hectic |
| 10:02.39 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: yeah work less you'll have more fun |
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| 10:03.00 | tell | cef_work : thanks |
| 10:03.08 | Phated | cef_work: Ouchies. |
| 10:03.33 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: soon I will be.. moving the workplace is almost all finished.. then I can rest.. going on holidays during october |
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| 10:04.02 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: cool |
| 10:04.02 | pipegeek | hello? |
| 10:04.04 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: and the boss decided as a bonus he's going to buy me a brand new lappy.. a freebie.. yay! |
| 10:04.15 | Slartibarfast | is there a channel where i can freely profess my love for debian? |
| 10:04.17 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: some guys have all the look |
| 10:04.30 | Phated | cef_work: Ooooo, not bag. |
| 10:04.33 | Phated | bad* |
| 10:04.39 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: lots of 7am-12 midnight days in there to get it |
| 10:04.41 | pipegeek | one more question: what does it mean when dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't actually produce an XF86Config-4 file? |
| 10:04.58 | cef_work | Phated: hehe.. and of course, I'm pushing for a raise as well |
| 10:05.01 | tty1 | pipegeek -> did you get an error? |
| 10:05.06 | Phated | cef_work: Yes, go for it! |
| 10:05.06 | pipegeek | tty1: no. |
| 10:05.08 | Slartibarfast | pipegeek try "X-configure" |
| 10:05.13 | tty1 | pipegeek -> how odd |
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| 10:05.27 | Slartibarfast | pipegeek sorry X -configure |
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| 10:05.42 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: good luck |
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| 10:06.00 | pipegeek | tty1: Could it be that some previous administrator of this computer had instructed dpkg not to handle XF86Config-4? If so, how would I reverse that? |
| 10:06.01 | cef_work | Phated: well I've got almost confirmed work outside of this place if I want it (in a number of places/ways), so I'll have fun whatever happens |
| 10:06.16 | Phated | cef_work: Most excellent. :) |
| 10:06.17 | tty1 | pipegeek -> are you doing it as root? |
| 10:06.17 | libpcp | hi all |
| 10:06.24 | pipegeek | tty1: yes. |
| 10:06.25 | Slartibarfast | pipegeek: i was just doing some work with xconfig and noticed the same thing |
| 10:06.26 | libpcp | i create a firewall script on iptables |
| 10:06.37 | pipegeek | btw, X -configure doesn't work |
| 10:06.38 | cef_work | Phated: and since I've been working at the same place now for almost 13 yrs.... I've got a tonne of holidays |
| 10:06.43 | libpcp | now i want to save the iptables rules where should i put it? |
| 10:06.46 | tty1 | pipegeek -> i dont know then.. you are looking in the right spot for the XFree config file right? |
| 10:06.51 | pipegeek | right. |
| 10:06.53 | libpcp | iptables-save > to where? |
| 10:07.01 | tell | is it possible to make a (graphical) installer, which asks for a cd in the cd-driver, think the cd is a directory? like /home/me/virtualcd ? |
| 10:07.03 | Phated | cef_work: 13 years... Wow. |
| 10:07.05 | simonrvn | /var/lib/iptables |
| 10:07.17 | simonrvn | default |
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| 10:07.28 | libpcp | simonrvn: under that directory with the filename iptables? |
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| 10:07.38 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: X -configure will make a config file in /root/XF86config-4.new |
| 10:07.44 | Ireul | hi |
| 10:07.46 | simonrvn | libpcp: no sorry, i was thinking of the init script |
| 10:07.46 | libpcp | iptables-save > /var/lib/iptables/iptables ? |
| 10:07.47 | tty1 | libpcp -> doesnt matter where.. you use iptables-restore < <same file> to restore it.. youc an save the file anywehere |
| 10:08.02 | Ireul | please I've got a problem with hotplug and oss drivers on sarge... |
| 10:08.10 | cef_work | Phated: yeah.. long time.. if I leave, means I'm set for a while, even if I don't have a job to walk into |
| 10:08.23 | Phated | cef_work: Very nice. |
| 10:08.39 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: well, it didn't. |
| 10:08.40 | Slartibartfast | you need to start it like Xfree86 -xf86config /root/XF86config.new |
| 10:08.51 | Ireul | I couldn't prevent hotplug from load es1371 driver... I've put on /etc/hotplug/blacklist the module name (es1371) |
| 10:09.08 | pipegeek | unresolved symbols were reported. |
| 10:09.13 | tty1 | libpcp -> like you can do "iptables-save > ~/saved_iptables" and restore it with "iptables-restore < ~/saved_iptables" |
| 10:09.26 | cef_work | Ireul: sure it's hotplug loading it, and not discover? |
| 10:09.30 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: there is no XF86config.new. |
| 10:09.35 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: this command makes a new config file and puts it into the folder the command is "X -configure" |
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| 10:10.03 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: what I'm telling you is that it doesn't. X quits, complaining of unresolved symbols. |
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| 10:10.14 | cef_work | Ireul: discover does similar stuff to hotplug, and has a tendancy to load oss modules like that |
| 10:10.44 | Ireul | cef: and? |
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| 10:10.53 | rich_ | Hello |
| 10:11.13 | cef_work | Ireul: well there is a blacklist for discover too that you can add modules to |
| 10:11.14 | aragorn | how can i allow an user to reboot ? should i add him to a special group? |
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| 10:11.27 | Ireul | cef: where is it? |
| 10:11.30 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: hmm, I dont think you can run it while x is running, are you running on the system your trying to configure? |
| 10:11.31 | xir_ | anyone knows the command line command for cvs to import a new repos? |
| 10:11.58 | cef_work | Ireul: check /etc/discover or something like that.. I got rather annoyed at discover on this lappy I've got and just removed it |
| 10:11.58 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: X is not running. X will not run, as there is no xf86config file. |
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| 10:12.13 | Ireul | cef: /etc/discover.conf???? |
| 10:12.26 | tty1 | can someone please help me to get the radeonfb to load at startup .. ive tryed everything under the sun .. form doing video= to manually editing the initrd.img file and i cant get it to load. it just boots with no framebuffer loaded at best.. how can i load it or find out why it isnt loading? |
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| 10:13.20 | aragorn | in gnome, when i click the speaker to open the mixer, it says "no mixer device found" ... but sound is working correctly on my box... ideas? |
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| 10:13.46 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: so your talking from a command line irc client, and you tried X -configure and it wouldnt work eh? you dont have any backup XF86config's? |
| 10:14.06 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: yes, yes, and yes. |
| 10:14.09 | cef_work | Ireul: might be.. been a while since I looked at it (about 3 months).. and I've done a lot since.. so might be there.. |
| 10:14.54 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: let me do a bit of research |
| 10:14.56 | pipegeek | I tried to upgrade to Xfree86 4.3. I had been using 3.3.6. When dpkg refused to set 4.3 as the default, I uninstalled 3.3.6. 3.3.6 is no longer in debian, so I can't go back to it. Which means I am stuck |
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| 10:15.36 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: could you post your XF86Config-4 file in #flood so that I can fiddle with it? |
| 10:15.37 | libpcp | guys i tried to nmap my server without iptables rules but why is it that i got a reply 139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn |
| 10:15.51 | cef_work | hrm.. I wonder just how much rf radiation I'm currently exposed to at the moment.. probably not a healthy amount |
| 10:15.54 | libpcp | why it was filtered since i dont have rules |
| 10:15.55 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: for sure |
| 10:16.01 | n1637 | Just tried to add a new kernel; that worked fine, big speedup, etc, but a few odd things happened. I was upgrading in order to get the sound modules (I had installed 2.2 basic from the Woody CDs), and sawe a string of errors saying that the new sound modules coudn't be added because too many files were open. This only happened for *.ko and *.so sound module files. I've had a look at /proc/sys/kernel/file-max and inode-max, and not on |
| 10:16.01 | n1637 | ly don't they exist, but I can't add them, even as root in the same dir: "cannot create regular file `file-max': No such file or directory". ) |
| 10:16.43 | n1637 | I'm not sure what's causing this. |
| 10:16.46 | cef_work | wonder if I should turn off some of these AP's.... hrm |
| 10:16.46 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: actually, email might be better |
| 10:17.02 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: pipegeek@yahoo.com |
| 10:17.14 | libpcp | anyone got an idea why? |
| 10:17.43 | kerpal23_ | cause its not sending connection refused messages |
| 10:17.52 | tty1 | libpcp -> default policy may be on reject? |
| 10:18.08 | kerpal23_ | i just namped my open server got the same thing.. it likely has to do with a kernel feature as in #kernel for a definitive answer |
| 10:18.16 | libpcp | tty1: i dunno |
| 10:18.22 | ELNooboStupido | fedora works like a champ on my single processor system - it has yet to boot correctly on my HT system - Debian works like a champ on both |
| 10:18.27 | ELNooboStupido | I dont understand why |
| 10:18.38 | kerpal23_ | i.e. intercept conn_refused replace with conn_drop |
| 10:18.47 | kerpal23_ | in the netstack. |
| 10:18.56 | HolyGoat | blast. apache configure keeps complaining about DBM support. I thought it was available by default. |
| 10:19.04 | tty1 | libpcp -> listen to those other guys if they are getting the same thing.. i dont know what "filtered" is anywya.. i drop all packets.. filter is prolly a response.. but i dunno .. if the default policies are on accept then i dont know |
| 10:19.08 | Ireul | cef: done!!!! thank you!!! |
| 10:19.10 | Fpanel | every other meanstreem distro has a also a GUI to config the system beside a console based (base-config) is there one for debian that i didnt install? (not that i need it, its just that a newbie want to know...) |
| 10:19.15 | kerpal23_ | or even still could be within iptables without rules.. (once again that would now be a kernel feature) |
| 10:19.16 | cef_work | Ireul: no problems |
| 10:19.28 | Ireul | cef: man discover |
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| 10:19.31 | Fpanel | dm, i remberd progeny made one for debian |
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| 10:19.43 | Ireul | cef: I've test also solaris 8 |
| 10:19.51 | Jubin | hi - any idea where I can get the packages for : gnome 2.8 and evolution 2.0 ? |
| 10:19.57 | cef_work | Ireul: you have my condolances |
| 10:20.01 | SlayerXP | Jubin: the Internet |
| 10:20.04 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: roger |
| 10:20.05 | DrRighteous2 | whats the command line to copy an entire drive to another, partitions and boot sector and all... ? |
| 10:20.05 | libpcp | kerpal23_: wow thats nice, so i dont even had to firewall that port since it was being filtered by kernel on defaults |
| 10:20.11 | SlayerXP | DrRighteous2: dd |
| 10:20.16 | kerpal23_ | noo.. |
| 10:20.17 | Ireul | cef: but installed debian sarge after a while :) |
| 10:20.17 | tty1 | libpcp -> if youd like me to look at yoru default policies paste iptables --list to #flood. |
| 10:20.22 | jerome | Jubin: ask in gnome-debian |
| 10:20.24 | cef_work | Ireul: heh.. |
| 10:20.25 | kerpal23_ | you would need to close the ports you dont want. |
| 10:20.37 | MobyTurbo | Fpanel: most graphical configurators are inflexable, buggy, and stomp all over custom changes to the text files. |
| 10:20.38 | kerpal23_ | nmap is scaning how many ports per second, with rubbish.. |
| 10:20.41 | jerome | Jubin: but you could wait for a while too |
| 10:20.48 | Ireul | cef: I think solaris lacks of software even if it is very stable |
| 10:20.52 | DrRighteous2 | SlayerXP: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hdd ? |
| 10:20.54 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: what kind of vid card are you using? |
| 10:21.04 | pipegeek | s3 864 |
| 10:21.06 | kerpal23_ | all i know if it says filtered in nmap on port 80 and i get http:// to it.. without a problem some security feature is transparently helping me. |
| 10:21.07 | cef_work | anyone know what the lethal dosage of radiation at 2.4 Ghz is? |
| 10:21.11 | pipegeek | err |
| 10:21.12 | libpcp | tty1: i dont have iptables rules enabled by that port was being filtered from outside when i do nmap |
| 10:21.14 | pipegeek | 964 |
| 10:21.19 | Penix | Ireul: lacks which software? |
| 10:21.28 | jerome | MobyTurbo: actually it depends on the text file format |
| 10:21.33 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: is that an intel model? |
| 10:21.34 | Ireul | Penix: development tools for examples |
| 10:21.39 | tty1 | libpcp -> THEN i dont knwo |
| 10:21.40 | Penix | Ireul: like what? |
| 10:21.41 | tty1 | caps lock again |
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| 10:21.44 | jerome | xml files are comfortable to share conf between cli and gui |
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| 10:21.49 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: dunno. |
| 10:21.54 | Penix | Ireul: it has editors and compilers. what else do you want? |
| 10:22.01 | kerpal23_ | libpcp why dont you remove iptables from the kernel and see what im talking about. |
| 10:22.01 | Ireul | Penix: Sun ONE Studio is worth 995$ |
| 10:22.10 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: the email is sent im using hotmail |
| 10:22.12 | Penix | Ireul: and? |
| 10:22.15 | kerpal23_ | or ax someone in iptables. |
| 10:22.19 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: thanks |
| 10:22.23 | Ireul | Penix: compilers and editors are not for free |
| 10:22.26 | Fpanel | MobyTurbo: yea like what mandrake did to apache on my friend com IT WAS HORIBLE |
| 10:22.47 | Penix | Ireul: really? gee, and here I was thinking emacs, vim, gcc etc. were free |
| 10:22.52 | libpcp | kerpal23_: you got the point man, i remember when i recompiled the kernel i enabled the iptables builtin |
| 10:22.53 | MobyTurbo | jerome: if you're talking about XML configuration files, whoever invented hand-edited XML configuration files is the first against the wall when the revolution comes. |
| 10:22.56 | tty1 | libpcp -> like i said.. lsiten to one of the other guys..t hey get the same error.. so it prolly is a known issue |
| 10:23.12 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: hehehe |
| 10:23.13 | Ireul | Penix: but these tools are not in solaris 8 disks |
| 10:23.16 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: if you need on that is a bit more sane I could send you my old nvidia 1 card config |
| 10:23.25 | pipegeek | I seem to remember that there is a place that one puts an md5 hash of config files that one wants to be handled by dpkg, and if that gets out of sync, dpkg stops listening. Where might that be? |
| 10:23.36 | Penix | Ireul: you can download gnu software for solaris (from sun iirc) |
| 10:23.37 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: nah, thanks, it's ok |
| 10:23.42 | libpcp | so i understand now why it was being filtered by default, the kernel did it |
| 10:23.46 | Ireul | Penix: I know... |
| 10:23.49 | Penix | Ireul: and iirc 8 or 9 or something comes with a cd full of all that crap |
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| 10:24.05 | Ireul | Penix: no compares with debian |
| 10:24.09 | libpcp | thanks for the idea kerpal23_ and thanks to you too tty1 |
| 10:24.13 | Ireul | Penix: apt-get install ... |
| 10:24.21 | Jubin | so there is no gnome 2.8 for debian sarge |
| 10:24.24 | tty1 | libpcp -> any time |
| 10:24.29 | tty1 | libpcp -> best of luck |
| 10:24.33 | Penix | Ireul: that has nothing to do with your claim that solaris lacks software |
| 10:24.33 | libpcp | yeah |
| 10:24.39 | Pazzo | hi all! has anyone a good link to some pros/cons regarding apache-ssl vs libapache-mod-ssl? (what solution needs more ressources, provides more features...) |
| 10:24.52 | Penix | but, I should get back to my dirty, cheap whiskey |
| 10:24.57 | Ireul | Penix: I meant lack of free software dude |
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| 10:25.26 | thomas_adam | Pazzo: Why? |
| 10:25.27 | cef_work | Jubin: doubtful it's not had any real testing time, and debian don't put untested stuff into a soon-to-be stable release (or that's the idea anyway) |
| 10:25.35 | thomas_adam | Pazzo: (and why don't you search google)? |
| 10:25.40 | Ireul | Penix: I couldn't effort 995$ for a kdevelop3-alike tool |
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| 10:26.11 | MobyTurbo | Ireul: at one time Solaris had the most free software, before Linux took off free software authors tended to target sun. |
| 10:26.45 | Pazzo | thomas_adam: I was googling for something like 2 hours now - time ago I was always using modssl - since I use Debian Sarge I use Apache-SSL - just because it was the package I found first |
| 10:26.52 | Penix | Ireul: who said you need one? |
| 10:27.00 | Penix | Ireul: Sun? hah |
| 10:27.03 | Terr | Hi all, I have (I hope) a short and quick question |
| 10:27.08 | Ireul | Penix: so tell me |
| 10:27.08 | Terr | which kernel option did we forget to turn on / should not have turned off |
| 10:27.14 | Terr | with our recently compiled 2.6.8.1 kernel, we're missing /dev/tty1 - tty8 etc. devices |
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| 10:27.34 | Pazzo | apache with mod-ssl blows up apache, Apache-SSL is probably using even more ressources because it is a different binary |
| 10:27.34 | Ireul | Penix: are there tools form sun for developing (except java tools)? |
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| 10:27.38 | SlayerXP | Terr: virtual console support |
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| 10:27.49 | cef_work | MobyTurbo: economies of volume.. Sun was rather prolific amongst the university communities |
| 10:28.04 | MobyTurbo | cef_work: exactly |
| 10:28.12 | Terr | SlayerXP> would that be under 'Character devices'? |
| 10:28.12 | Jubin | ok |
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| 10:28.40 | Penix | Ireul: "developing" what? you're being extremely vague. |
| 10:28.59 | Ireul | Penix: I use c/c++ |
| 10:29.08 | Penix | Ireul: then install gcc |
| 10:29.19 | Ireul | Penix: I've done... |
| 10:29.25 | Penix | Ireul: so, what's the problem? |
| 10:29.33 | Ireul | Penix: I've done it... |
| 10:29.39 | Penix | Ireul: what? |
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| 10:29.58 | aragorn | how can i permit normal users to reboot? |
| 10:29.59 | Ireul | Penix: gcc wasn't developed under solaris... |
| 10:30.02 | thomas_adam | Ireul: "Mummy, wow. I'm a big boy now?" |
| 10:30.13 | thomas_adam | aragorn: man shutdown |
| 10:30.15 | Pazzo | thomas_adam: having 2 different instances of apache seems more flexible - but is also an administrative overhead. googling didn't make me really happy, atm I'm "srcolling" through the debian ml archives... but even there still now nothing to answer my questions |
| 10:30.25 | thomas_adam | Pazzo: You mistake me for one who cares. |
| 10:30.29 | Ireul | Penix: I think it's better a solaris tool... |
| 10:30.45 | ricky_clarkson | aragorn: man shutdown (look for shutdown.allow) |
| 10:30.54 | Pazzo | thomas_adam: ok, I got it :o) |
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| 10:30.58 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: too slow. |
| 10:31.05 | Ireul | Penix: I know gcc under linux... I've work a lot with it and it's simply the best... but I don't think so under solaris... |
| 10:31.11 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Too imprecise. |
| 10:31.15 | thomas_adam | Ireul: Troll, yes? |
| 10:31.22 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Pfft, the man can read. |
| 10:31.43 | Ireul | thomas_adam: no I'm not |
| 10:31.46 | Penix | Ireul: that makes no sense |
| 10:31.56 | Ireul | Penix: why? |
| 10:32.07 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: I already have one of these. |
| 10:32.19 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: Are you keeping her in the basement still? |
| 10:32.25 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Shhhh. |
| 10:32.31 | Ireul | Penix: do you think that gcc would work as under linux??? |
| 10:32.38 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Everyone will want one. |
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| 10:32.46 | pipegeek | GOT IT! |
| 10:32.51 | SkOrPiO | hi |
| 10:32.53 | ricky_clarkson | thomas_adam: I haven't got a basement, sadly. |
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| 10:33.01 | Penix | Ireul: you claim that there's no good, free "development" tools for solaris, even though gcc for solaris exists, and sunfreeware.com even provides packages, but you don't want to use it because it's not developed specifically for solaris?... |
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| 10:33.06 | hedekar | hi, I'm following the steps on the webpage http://xoomer.virgilio.it/g_pochini/ea.html to get my Echo Darla card to work and I've gotten all the way down to the line: make install and then I get errors |
| 10:33.11 | pipegeek | Slartibartfast: Thank you |
| 10:33.28 | Ireul | Penix: no |
| 10:33.29 | thomas_adam | hedekar: paste them to #flood |
| 10:33.30 | rich_ | Ireul: If I were you, Id use linux. |
| 10:33.35 | Ireul | Penix: I've tell |
| 10:33.47 | SkOrPiO | i use linex |
| 10:33.59 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: any luck? |
| 10:34.01 | SkOrPiO | is useless |
| 10:34.01 | Ireul | Penix: that there's no free development tool from sun for solaris... that's all |
| 10:34.12 | thomas_adam | Ireul: gcc for solaris? |
| 10:34.17 | SkOrPiO | this is an extremeño linux |
| 10:34.17 | niklash | I have this wierd-looking file that I can't delete even as root. e2fsck doesn't find any errors, so I'm not sure if this is a file system error, or if I'm overlooking anything. |
| 10:34.22 | aragorn | is someone here using xawdecode? |
| 10:34.33 | Ireul | Penix: and I don't know if gcc would be a good choice, because it wasn't developed specifically for solaris... |
| 10:34.35 | SkOrPiO | is a great shit |
| 10:34.37 | Penix | Ireul: oh, so, now it's from *sun*? |
| 10:34.44 | thomas_adam | niklash: rm ./thefile || rm -- the_file || mc || READ THE FAQ |
| 10:34.48 | Penix | !cluebat Ireul |
| 10:34.58 | Penix | Ireul: I declare you lord of the solaris cluebies |
| 10:35.01 | simonrvn | SkOrPiO: what you do in the toilet doesn't concern us |
| 10:35.32 | niklash | thomas_adam: "Operation not permitted", and I have checked the permissions. |
| 10:35.46 | Ireul | rich_: infact I use linux :) not solaris |
| 10:35.55 | Slartibartfast | pipegeek: your welcome and I hope you get it working soon |
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| 10:36.19 | SkOrPiO | don't touch me the balls |
| 10:36.28 | Penix | hmm. I use debian. I want to "develop" things. I need a compiler. there's this gcc thing, but debian doesn't write it itself. there's no "development tools" for linux! |
| 10:36.40 | hedekar | thomas_adam, how do I do that? |
| 10:37.01 | Ireul | pen: gcc was written for linux. stop. |
| 10:37.06 | rich_ | Ireul My opinion is that sun made solaris free in order to promote java. You dont consider java a compilor? |
| 10:37.13 | Ireul | penix: gcc was written for linux. stop. |
| 10:37.31 | Ireul | rich_: I'm not interested in java |
| 10:37.53 | SkOrPiO | do you know an spanish x-chat?? |
| 10:38.04 | rich_ | Ireul Neither am I, but it still exists. |
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| 10:38.50 | thomas_adam | hedekar: Hmm? |
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| 10:38.56 | MobyTurbo | Ireul: gcc existed before Linux |
| 10:39.57 | MobyTurbo | Ireul: also gcc is one of the most multiplatform compilers. |
| 10:39.59 | hedekar | thomas_adam, how do I paste my errors to #flood when I'm working in a terminal window on an X system |
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| 10:40.22 | Ireul | MobyTurbo: would you use it under solaris??? |
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| 10:40.50 | thomas_adam | hedekar: (in #flood): /exec -o make install 2>&1 |
| 10:40.58 | MobyTurbo | Ireul: it probably runs OK under Solaris. |
| 10:40.58 | brc_ | is the apache2 package broken? |
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| 10:41.05 | thomas_adam | brc_: bugs.debian.org |
| 10:41.09 | brc_ | already looked |
| 10:41.21 | thomas_adam | brc_: Use apache, like any sane person. |
| 10:41.25 | thomas_adam | brc_: not apache2 |
| 10:41.27 | Ireul | MobyTurbo: ok |
| 10:41.28 | brc_ | heh |
| 10:41.49 | thomas_adam | brc_: Although since you do not define 'broken', and I am not psychic... |
| 10:41.52 | brc_ | anyhow... The following packages have unmet dependencies: apache2: Depends: apache2-mpm-worker (= 2.0.51-2) but it is not going to be installed or apache2-mpm-prefork (= 2.0.51-2) but it is not going to be installed or apache2-mpm-perchild (= 2.0.51-2) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 10:41.53 | EmleyMoor | apache2 - is that "a patchy" web server? |
| 10:41.59 | brc_ | EmleyMoor, yep |
| 10:42.20 | brc_ | apt-get install apache2 .....this is a freshly installed box on sid |
| 10:42.22 | EmleyMoor | Whereas apache of course is less so |
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| 10:42.40 | citral | Dunno if I made a good choice, I bought a 8 port switch to share my home connection for 50 Euros, but it has no integrated firewall and cannot be administrated... |
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| 10:43.00 | brc_ | (aka unmanaged switch) |
| 10:43.05 | citral | yeah |
| 10:43.14 | brc_ | anyhow....can't seem to figure out what the problem is |
| 10:43.21 | Slartibartfast | I think you made agreat decision |
| 10:43.31 | Hadaka | I would need to specify different device permissions on a certain USB input device, how would I do that? |
| 10:43.38 | citral | Slartibartfast, is that ironic ? |
| 10:43.50 | tell | with mozilla-firefox, clicking on a link to a file often results in displaying the source of that file in a new window. how do i tell firefox to just download the file? |
| 10:43.54 | brc_ | I'd hate to file a broken package report if this isn't broken |
| 10:44.14 | citral | tell, right click on it then |
| 10:44.39 | double_c | citral: did you really want a router? if so, then buying a switch was a poor decision |
| 10:45.07 | brc_ | this seems really broken... |
| 10:45.16 | MobyTurbo | tell: shift-click |
| 10:45.17 | Slartibartfast | citral: I dont see how it would be ironic, sounds like a great deal, and if your really worried about intursion you can set up a linux firewall on an old computer and send your internet throught it |
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| 10:45.23 | brc_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: apache2-common: Depends: openssl but it is not going to be installed |
| 10:45.40 | citral | Slartibartfast, I thought this way yes :) |
| 10:45.51 | EmleyMoor | brc_: Can you install any of the missing packages? |
| 10:46.15 | brc_ | EmleyMoor, no that's the strange thing |
| 10:46.17 | brc_ | copying.. |
| 10:46.51 | brc_ | apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork ..... The following packages have unmet dependencies: apache2-mpm-prefork: Depends: apache2-common (= 2.0.51-2) but it is not going to be installed |
| 10:46.59 | brc_ | round and round we go |
| 10:47.11 | EmleyMoor | OK - but how about openssl? |
| 10:47.16 | citral | Slartibartfast, in fact I don't care about intrusions for the moment, I don't have any port open, but later I will bring my own apache up, then I will probably set an apache - firewall server |
| 10:47.26 | brc_ | trying now |
| 10:47.33 | brc_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:47.33 | brc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.35 | Slartibartfast | citral: i love linux |
| 10:47.38 | brc_ | A R G H! |
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| 10:47.48 | citral | !support linux |
| 10:47.49 | dpkg | linux is the BEST |
| 10:47.50 | brc_ | apt-get magic is supposed to automagically take care of this... |
| 10:47.51 | EmleyMoor | brc_: OK - keep going and see if you can get it working |
| 10:47.58 | brc_ | if I wanted to go get every package I'd just use slack |
| 10:48.09 | brc_ | alright...just keep following the packages then? |
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| 10:48.25 | EmleyMoor | You shouldn't have to |
| 10:48.34 | brc_ | well it appears I do... |
| 10:48.47 | EmleyMoor | You will probably find a whole bunch of stuff that needs to be upgraded or something, if you carry on down |
| 10:48.55 | EmleyMoor | After that, it may work OK |
| 10:48.58 | brc_ | I know I shouldn't have to...been using debian sarge for about 6 months and (mostly) loving it |
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| 10:49.09 | EmleyMoor | Do you have any packages on "hold"? |
| 10:49.12 | brc_ | perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2.2) but 5.8.4-2.3 is to be installed |
| 10:49.19 | brc_ | not that I know of...it's a fresh sid install |
| 10:49.24 | EmleyMoor | Ah, there you go! |
| 10:49.31 | brc_ | ? |
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| 10:49.46 | EmleyMoor | You have found a clash! |
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| 10:49.57 | EmleyMoor | Update, then try |
| 10:50.00 | brc_ | this is a good thing right? :p |
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| 10:50.06 | brc_ | alright... |
| 10:50.27 | Jubin | is it possible to have windows transparency in debian sarge?s x ? :) |
| 10:50.47 | brc_ | okay I just apt-get update'ed but it was already up-to-date |
| 10:50.50 | scarynetworkguy | Jubin: that question is almost entirely without meaning |
| 10:51.08 | EmleyMoor | brc_: OK - it looks like perl is the broken package, then. |
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| 10:51.18 | brc_ | oh?...hmm yes okay |
| 10:51.26 | CASP6 | labi |
| 10:51.40 | brc_ | shall I submit a bug report somewhere?... |
| 10:51.59 | EmleyMoor | Well, I don't know what procedure is but I presume so |
| 10:52.13 | brc_ | aha |
| 10:52.18 | brc_ | nevermind...appears to already be a bug |
| 10:52.29 | brc_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273379 |
| 10:52.36 | EmleyMoor | That's what you get for running sid |
| 10:52.52 | brc_ | er..nevermind |
| 10:52.56 | eded | everything works in Sarge? |
| 10:52.57 | eded | ;) |
| 10:53.02 | Ireul | pen: do you know if linux is more System V or BSD compliant??? |
| 10:53.03 | Jubin | scary I feel ashamed ;) |
| 10:53.07 | brc_ | can't quite tell if that's relevent or not...can't read it ;) |
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| 10:53.57 | scarynetworkguy | Jubin: 1: scary <tab> will complete my nick. 2: you shoule be asking about WM's |
| 10:54.09 | cef_work | hrm, I think all this RF radiation is giving me a headache.. euugh |
| 10:54.17 | Hadaka | so no-one knows how to get usb device permissions modified for a certain device? |
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| 10:54.59 | scarynetworkguy | !seen no-one |
| 10:55.01 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'no-one', scarynetworkguy |
| 10:55.08 | Ireul | MobyTurbo: I've got a K6III-450 with kernel image should I install to upgrade from 2.4????? |
| 10:55.11 | scarynetworkguy | Hadaka: yeah I doubt he does |
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| 10:55.21 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: that is scary |
| 10:55.22 | brc_ | apt-get install perl perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.8.4-2.2) but 5.8.4-2.3 is to be installed hmm...so...perl depends on perl-base...2.2...but perl-base 5.8.4.2.3 is going to be installed....or something |
| 10:55.32 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: yeay |
| 10:55.32 | brc_ | apt-get is too dang smart for it's own good |
| 10:55.54 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: I think I need a tinfoil hat working here at the moment |
| 10:56.09 | Jubin | scarynetworkguy: ok !!! SO DOES GNOME 2 WM support windows transparency ? but it is also a questino of the underlying x-libs |
| 10:56.16 | brc_ | I spose all I can do is try back here some time this afternoon and see if anybody knows what the problem is eh? |
| 10:56.24 | Ireul | Please, I've got a K6III-450 wich kernel image should I install to upgrade from 2.4????? |
| 10:56.32 | scarynetworkguy | Jubin: I don't know but that is a much bette question |
| 10:56.47 | erevly | Iruel: the newest one probably, do you mean which architecture should you cimpile for? |
| 10:57.04 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: i always have mine close at hand |
| 10:57.20 | Jubin | scarynetworkguy: thanks ;))) |
| 10:57.21 | Hadaka | brc_: um, my perl depends against perl-base 5.8.4-2.3 - are you sure you have updated to the latest? |
| 10:57.33 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: I think I need one with all this wireless gear.. |
| 10:57.38 | scarynetworkguy | Jubin: anytime |
| 10:57.40 | brc_ | Hadaka yes sir |
| 10:57.55 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: I just ripped out all my wireless stuff here :D |
| 10:57.55 | brc_ | I *JUST* apt-get update'ed ...and I've had this problem for the past two days |
| 10:58.12 | Hadaka | brc_: ah, which arch? |
| 10:58.13 | brc_ | I also *JUST* did a fresh sid install from the d-i biz card cd's |
| 10:58.19 | brc_ | x86 |
| 10:58.27 | Hadaka | urm |
| 10:58.35 | Hadaka | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/perl/perl |
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| 10:58.49 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: there is 4 AP's in the office (varying standards) normally.. and currently I have another 53 on my desk, and 200 MU's.. plus whatever wireless devices are in the office at the moment |
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| 10:59.32 | Hadaka | the dependency is for 2.3 in the debian archives - so for some odd reason, you still have an older perl package in your package list - have you tried another mirror? |
| 10:59.40 | brc_ | oh! hangon!.... |
| 10:59.42 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: large scale deployment.. they're being tested |
| 10:59.47 | brc_ | hmmm |
| 10:59.53 | brc_ | http://ftp.us.debian.org testing/main |
| 11:00.01 | Hadaka | testing? but testing isn't sid |
| 11:00.04 | brc_ | either I am a idiot or maybe there's a d-i bug |
| 11:00.04 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: cool |
| 11:00.05 | brc_ | yes I know |
| 11:00.09 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: it's quite interesting to see just how they all handle being in close proximity.. remarkably well actually |
| 11:00.19 | Hadaka | so you install sid and are trying to use sarge? |
| 11:00.21 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: coolness |
| 11:00.23 | eded | or another way: what doesn't work in Sarge yet? |
| 11:00.24 | brc_ | I'm pretty sure I selected sid in d-i... |
| 11:00.49 | brc_ | Hadaka, no, I did not know (notice rather...) that apt-get was using testing.... |
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| 11:00.51 | brc_ | this is odd |
| 11:00.56 | Hadaka | brc_: ah, right |
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| 11:01.19 | brc_ | I'm using a d-i nightly build... |
| 11:01.22 | brc_ | hmmmm |
| 11:01.23 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: I feel sorry for anyone who is pointing an antenna in our direction at the moment.. there's 18 essid's in use currently in just the 2.4 Ghz band.. *grin* |
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| 11:01.58 | brc_ | I can't recall with 100% certainty that I selected sid with d-i...but think I did |
| 11:02.05 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: that would suck :D |
| 11:02.08 | brc_ | I must have...because either way there wouldn't be this problem |
| 11:02.25 | brc_ | is there a way to show what branch is currently installed? |
| 11:02.25 | cef_work | scarynetworkguy: heh.. break their heads a bit methinks |
| 11:02.30 | brc_ | other then looking at what apt-get thinks |
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| 11:02.35 | ricky_clarkson | cef_work: Didn't you say that yesterday. |
| 11:02.36 | ricky_clarkson | ? |
| 11:02.37 | scarynetworkguy | cef_work: most likely |
| 11:02.43 | Hadaka | brc_: I think there are two places where to select the distribution - first as to what base-system to install, and then what apt source to use |
| 11:02.52 | Hadaka | brc_: no, an installed debian is just an installed debian |
| 11:03.05 | cef_work | ricky_clarkson: say what? |
| 11:03.06 | brc_ | Hadaka, I'm pretty sure that when you select which apt source it only asks you what mirror to use |
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| 11:03.27 | Hadaka | hmh, could be, it's been a moment or two since I used d-i |
| 11:03.30 | brc_ | e.g. http/ftp/cdrom, then us.debian.org/uk.debian.org etc |
| 11:03.38 | brc_ | I could be wrong |
| 11:03.46 | ricky_clarkson | cef_work: wrt antenna. |
| 11:04.12 | cef_work | ricky_clarkson: nope.. I'm pretty sure I wasn't even on yesterday.. depending on your timezone of course |
| 11:04.17 | brc_ | if you are correct that sounds like a flawed design to me |
| 11:04.24 | ricky_clarkson | cef_work: Or sometime not long ago. |
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| 11:05.02 | brc_ | I don't think it would make any sense to allow you to install the base of a branch....then select the repository of a different branch (which would cause breakage...as in my case) |
| 11:05.18 | brc_ | I'll try to run through the installer later tomorrow and see |
| 11:05.31 | cef_work | ricky_clarkson: mebbe a few weeks ago.. but for different reasons.. and a different setup.. |
| 11:05.52 | brc_ | this is odd |
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| 11:06.00 | Hadaka | brc_: well, in the other direction it may have it uses - eg. installing testing and using unstable - since unstable installation can be broken at times |
| 11:06.06 | brc_ | from sources.list #deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
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| 11:06.46 | brc_ | Hadaka, maybe.....I think (assuming it really works that way) it'd be far better to force the user to go manually edit sources.list if they want to do that |
| 11:07.00 | brc_ | trying to figure why the sid entry is commented....haven't touched sources.list |
| 11:07.29 | Hoe | hi all, got permissions problem with my soundcard on desktop /using alsa/: one ordinary user can use it ok, but second not, e.g. launching alsamixer outputs 'function snd_ctl_open failed for default: perm. denied';; perms for /dev/snd/blah are set up to allow everyone |
| 11:08.21 | L3muri4 | maybe run ./snddevices from alsa-driver package ? hoe |
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| 11:08.57 | MerlinCorey | Hoe: are they in the sound group..? |
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| 11:09.01 | mongoose | #automake |
| 11:09.06 | MerlinCorey | Hoe: /msg dpkg alsa |
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| 11:09.12 | cef_work | Hoe: sure about those permissions? they could have been reset by something else. you really should just add the users to the sound group |
| 11:09.23 | tell | hi i'm trying to install the quake III demo, but running ./linuxquakeblah.gz.sh gives: linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh: line 98: exec: -t: invalid option |
| 11:09.28 | tell | what's wrong? |
| 11:09.32 | MerlinCorey | Hoe: /msg dpkg sound |
| 11:09.46 | tell | exec: usage: exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirection ...] |
| 11:10.10 | L3muri4 | cef_work : audio group i guess .. |
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| 11:10.28 | cef_work | L3muri4: woops.. yup audio group |
| 11:10.53 | Hoe | MerlinCorey, no one of them is in the sound group => gotta fix it, but it's still a paradox for me |
| 11:11.19 | MerlinCorey | Hoe: if they're not in the correct group they're not going to get permission to mess with audio devices... |
| 11:11.21 | Hadaka | brc_: commented out entries sound *really* weird |
| 11:11.30 | brc_ | yes I agree....... |
| 11:11.37 | brc_ | I swear I haven't (hadn't) touched it |
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| 11:11.48 | brc_ | or changed it with any other tool since installation |
| 11:11.51 | brc_ | btw |
| 11:12.04 | brc_ | just uncommented it.....same problem with apache2 |
| 11:12.21 | brc_ | updated first ofcourse |
| 11:12.25 | L3muri4 | anybody know the simple way to allow one user using apt-get ? |
| 11:13.02 | MerlinCorey | L3muri4: one user already has it... |
| 11:13.15 | L3muri4 | no - i mean non-root of course |
| 11:13.23 | jm_ | sudo |
| 11:13.32 | MerlinCorey | L3muri4: why would you want that? but sudo, of course... |
| 11:13.52 | brc_ | oh great |
| 11:13.55 | brc_ | now I'm getting |
| 11:14.03 | L3muri4 | hm. it's strange because when i use sudo, it asks me for root password and when I type it, it asks me again |
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| 11:14.22 | MerlinCorey | L3muri4: then you need to configure it... |
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| 11:14.33 | brc_ | dpkg: error processing apache2-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apache2-mpm-worker: apache2-mpm-worker depends on apache2-common (= 2.0.51-2); however: Package apache2-common is not configured yet. |
| 11:14.33 | dpkg | brc_: that's too long |
| 11:14.40 | L3muri4 | yep... thx.. |
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| 11:14.46 | brc_ | ~how long is too long? |
| 11:14.47 | apt | brc_: what are you talking about? |
| 11:14.47 | dpkg | brc_: I think you lost me on that one |
| 11:14.47 | StyXman | hai all |
| 11:14.53 | brc_ | 4 lines? |
| 11:14.59 | StyXman | I'm havin troubles setting upo my dsl connection |
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| 11:15.34 | StyXman | ppp complains about tiemouts sendin configRequests |
| 11:15.46 | Hadaka | brc_: bosom:~# apt-get install apache2 |
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| 11:15.58 | Hadaka | brc_: The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 11:16.02 | Hadaka | brc_: apache2 apache2-mpm-worker |
| 11:16.05 | StyXman | one problem is that I'm using one of those nasty USB dsl modems |
| 11:16.32 | StyXman | So i can't point my finger to ppp |
| 11:16.41 | bob2 | L3muri4: sudo doesn't ask for your root password, ever. |
| 11:16.45 | bob2 | afaik. |
| 11:16.47 | brc_ | Hadaka, I added sid into sources.list and now it seems to be in some sort of half installed state |
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| 11:17.22 | brc_ | apt-get install 3 not fully installed or removed. |
| 11:17.28 | Hadaka | brc_: do apt-get dist-upgrade and apt-get -f install do anything for you? |
| 11:17.57 | StyXman | so my question is: has anybody been bite by 'LCP: timeout sending Config-Request'? |
| 11:18.00 | brc_ | apt-get -f install didn't... |
| 11:18.09 | brc_ | you in #flood? |
| 11:18.24 | Hadaka | now am |
| 11:18.27 | luctor | what decides what alt+tab does ? im using afterstep, is this what set the rules for alt+tab ? |
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| 11:19.11 | bob2 | luctor: could be any X app |
| 11:19.14 | bob2 | probably your window manager, tho |
| 11:19.36 | L3muri4 | bob2 , from a normal user i type "sudo apt-get update" and it asks me for passwd. |
| 11:19.40 | rich_ | luctor try /etc/inittab |
| 11:19.45 | L3muri4 | and my root passw isn;t correct |
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| 11:19.54 | Hadaka | brc_: you should try upgrading, the package you've gotten is from sarge is not a suitable version for your sources now |
| 11:19.58 | bob2 | L3muri4: yes, it wants your *user* password |
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| 11:20.11 | murokki | how can i set my printer to work, the only printer i.e firefox detects is PostScript/default :> |
| 11:20.11 | brc_ | Hadaka, as in apt-get upgrade? |
| 11:20.11 | brc_ | sure thing |
| 11:20.13 | bob2 | L3muri4: what would be the point of suudo if it askedf for your root one? |
| 11:20.15 | Hadaka | brc_: or, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:20.20 | brc_ | k |
| 11:20.35 | L3muri4 | hm. shit. you are right bob2 :( |
| 11:20.44 | L3muri4 | bob2 ,i am a dumb..sry :) |
| 11:20.59 | bob2 | you're not dumb, you just didn't read the sudo docs |
| 11:21.03 | bob2 | or maybe it doesn't have any |
| 11:21.07 | brc_ | dist-upgrade.... binutils cpp cpp-3.3 g++ g++-3.3 gcc gcc-3.3 gcc-3.4-base libgpmg1 libstdc++5-3.3-dev linux-kernel-headers vim vim-common doesn't look like anything related to apache2 :\ |
| 11:21.45 | cef_work | bob2: it has docs |
| 11:22.25 | murokki | when i try to install mplayer with apt-get i get the following error: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 11:22.28 | murokki | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 11:22.31 | murokki | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 11:22.33 | murokki | or been moved out of Incoming. |
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| 11:22.55 | bob2 | use the correct mplayer source |
| 11:23.00 | Hadaka | brc_: just let it upgrade everything and see what happens |
| 11:23.01 | bob2 | christian documents this on his website. |
| 11:23.07 | Ireul | Please, I've got a K6III-450 wich kernel image should I install to upgrade from 2.4????? |
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| 11:23.12 | murokki | uh right |
| 11:23.21 | brc_ | Hadaka, see #flood...it's a apache2-common bug |
| 11:23.25 | EmleyMoor | Ireul: 2.6-386 will definitely work |
| 11:23.35 | Ireul | Empero: thanks |
| 11:23.39 | Ireul | EmleyMoor: thanks |
| 11:23.42 | brc_ | 273017 "apache2-common: post-installation script returned error exit status 1" |
| 11:23.44 | EmleyMoor | (others may be better) |
| 11:23.50 | EmleyMoor | Better still, roll your own! |
| 11:24.00 | Hadaka | brc_: hmm |
| 11:24.06 | murokki | how can i make my printer work, at least it detects it in the boot :> |
| 11:24.15 | Phated | Isn't there a K6 arch kernel? |
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| 11:24.50 | Hadaka | brc_: hmh, you are right |
| 11:25.05 | brc_ | gonna try to gather the relevent info and submit it to the bug |
| 11:25.09 | Hadaka | brc_: apparently someone broke the scripts really recently for fresh installs |
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| 11:25.19 | tty2 | can someone please help me to get the radeonfb to load at startup .. ive tryed everything under the sun .. form doing video= to manually editing the initrd.img file and i cant get it to load. it just boots with no framebuffer loaded at best.. how can i load it or find out why it isnt loading? |
| 11:25.20 | brc_ | that's how it looks :[ |
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| 11:26.04 | bob2 | tty2: no you didn't |
| 11:26.09 | bob2 | if you build your own kernel, it's trivial |
| 11:26.19 | Hadaka | brc_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273019 |
| 11:26.32 | ricky_clarkson | Hadaka: He found it and told you already. |
| 11:26.40 | brc_ | thanks, reading |
| 11:26.49 | ricky_clarkson | Hadaka: Ah, sorry, slightly different bug number :) |
| 11:26.50 | brc_ | ricky_clarkson, different bug... |
| 11:26.52 | brc_ | ;) |
| 11:27.15 | brc_ | seems it's specifically related to apache2-mpm-worker which is the default |
| 11:27.16 | tty2 | bob2 -> well id rather debug this first then build a new kernel... im more interested in how to debug this to know whats wrong..... cause buildign a kernel might be a bit tricky.. ive done it for other distros ..b ut not deb.. never did anythign form source in deb yet |
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| 11:27.44 | brc_ | tty2 google for "newbie doc kernel"...it's a GREAT guide to building debian kernels |
| 11:27.55 | tty2 | brc_ -> great, i will.. thanks |
| 11:28.10 | jerome | adding make-kpkg might help too |
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| 11:28.53 | coachz | hi all |
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| 11:29.50 | tty2 | i guess rebuilding the kernel is all im left with now.. can someone give me a quick one or two line summary of how i would do a kernel .. i mena i know how to do it in other distros.. but with deb do i need to get a package.. or do i just do it the old fashion way? |
| 11:29.58 | bob2 | tty2: no it's not |
| 11:30.05 | coachz | anyone know how to make a new file while in nano ? |
| 11:30.07 | bob2 | ask on debian-users how to do this and someone will probably answer |
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| 11:30.14 | bob2 | IRC is a shit place to find complex answers |
| 11:30.56 | tty2 | bob2 -> i dont want complex answers.. simple ones are good enough.. that gives me enough info to be productive on google. so i knwo what to look for... what is debian-user for? |
| 11:31.09 | Ireul | bob2: a shifting place |
| 11:31.10 | bob2 | eesh |
| 11:31.10 | asg | tty2: a mailing list, you should be a member |
| 11:31.18 | Ireul | bob2: :) |
| 11:31.22 | brc_ | tty2 look at the newbie doc kernel guide for the 'debian way' to build a kernel package.....it's quite easy |
| 11:31.40 | brc_ | here http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 11:31.41 | bob2 | tty2: if an answer takles more than one command or one sentence, IRC is a bad place, imho |
| 11:31.45 | coachz | What's a good editor that can open multiple VERY LARGE files and easily cut and paste block from one file to the other? |
| 11:31.50 | bob2 | debian-user is a mailing list for actual complex discussions |
| 11:31.52 | brc_ | coachz, vim |
| 11:31.59 | coachz | thanks |
| 11:32.01 | asg | coachz: vim |
| 11:32.05 | bob2 | emacs! |
| 11:32.07 | bob2 | ed! |
| 11:32.09 | brc_ | vim! :p |
| 11:32.13 | coachz | it don't look like nano can open multiple files so i'm having to boot it |
| 11:32.14 | asg | !start an editor war |
| 11:32.14 | dpkg | nvi is known to decrease your lifespan |
| 11:32.16 | brc_ | vim > e* |
| 11:32.30 | asg | bob2: you are so vile |
| 11:32.41 | tty2 | bob2 -> i agree.. irc alone anyway.. but irc combined with google has been very productive for me in many things. |
| 11:32.54 | brc_ | nano is basically notepad for windows (IMHO ofcourse) |
| 11:33.03 | brc_ | coachz, join #vim |
| 11:33.03 | tty2 | brc_ -> i shall look at that. i was jsut hoping for a commadn or package .. but that doc will do just as welll.. sure its in there. thanks |
| 11:33.03 | bob2 | tty2: yeah, that is true |
| 11:33.07 | bob2 | but not on this question |
| 11:33.08 | rich_ | Well I think all it takes is patience. If you have patience you can piece together the complex answers over a period of time. Its kind of like black box theory, You cant always get the answer directly but you can deduce it through statistical means |
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| 11:33.40 | brc_ | tty2 following that guide will be much better then any one line answer you'll get on irc |
| 11:34.09 | derek_ | how do i start firefox, i compiled it into /etc/firefox but it never said what command to use to start it |
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| 11:34.35 | tty2 | brc_ -> im sure it would be.. as i said thou i dont go on jsut the one line answer..t hat gives me a place to start .. i usually dont like reading long drawn out howto's to find my answers.. i prefer witha c ommand or two to start at. then hack out some man pages or google if i need it |
| 11:34.57 | bob2 | derek_: "compiled it into /etc/firefox"? |
| 11:35.10 | murokki | how can enable different colors for files etc. |
| 11:35.14 | derek_ | where else would i? |
| 11:35.20 | murokki | i have it enabled as normal user but not for root :> |
| 11:35.35 | murokki | just point out the config file |
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| 11:36.21 | MobyTurbo | murokki: you don't want that for root - because you could have terminal emulation problems and need to rescue them as root |
| 11:36.22 | derek_ | where am i suppose to compile it? |
| 11:36.24 | lrrr | what package contains the wait3(2) manpage? |
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| 11:36.31 | murokki | ok |
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| 11:36.42 | bob2 | lrrr: probably manpages-dev |
| 11:36.47 | derek_ | err install it |
| 11:36.47 | lrrr | ahh |
| 11:36.49 | L3muri4 | derek_ - apt-get install mozilla-firefox or download the latest tar.bz2 and run ./configure && make && make install |
| 11:36.54 | bob2 | derek_: er, to/usr/local or something? |
| 11:37.00 | tell | hi when i state: eject /cdrom it won't eject it. how can i force this? |
| 11:37.03 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.04 | derek_ | oh |
| 11:37.08 | L3muri4 | what does it mean to "compile it co /etc/firedox" ? |
| 11:37.14 | bob2 | unmount it |
| 11:37.19 | lrrr | bob2, finally! thanks :) |
| 11:37.27 | tell | bob2 : same prob |
| 11:37.29 | derek_ | unmount? |
| 11:37.40 | MobyTurbo | derek_: man hier |
| 11:37.43 | L3muri4 | how to remove that troll :P |
| 11:37.53 | bob2 | tell: duh, close the program that's accessing it |
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| 11:38.01 | bob2 | tell: lsof | grep /cdrom |
| 11:38.03 | bob2 | fucking idiot dog |
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| 11:40.03 | s-toned | I can access now with the boxname. wins server 192.168.0.3 in /etc/samba/smb.conf was it. |
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| 11:41.34 | Zero_Dogg | ~/win 5 |
| 11:41.43 | Zero_Dogg | bah |
| 11:41.43 | simonrvn | esc-5 works too |
| 11:41.43 | simonrvn | || meta |
| 11:41.50 | tty2 | bob2 -> feels good to install the kernel from scratch.. this way i can really tweak it to my needs anyway .. get rid of the unnecicery stuff.. boot quicker too i would imagine |
| 11:42.01 | bob2 | not by much |
| 11:42.24 | RichiH | tty2: with that argumenation, you should be using gentoo ;) |
| 11:42.29 | simonrvn | the modules and kernel are the fastest part of the boot in fact |
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| 11:42.34 | L3muri4 | tty2 - how big is your bzImage? and what version do you compile? |
| 11:42.49 | tty2 | rich_ -> i tryed it.. i liked it..b ut it broke way too much |
| 11:42.58 | L3muri4 | if i can ask of course:) tty2 |
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| 11:43.15 | tty2 | L3muri4 -> im nto compiling becasue of the speed.. im doing this all to get my framebuffer working |
| 11:43.22 | RichiH | tty2: i fear i see a pattern, there ;) |
| 11:43.36 | RichiH | tty2: oh, that is a good reason, then |
| 11:43.43 | tty2 | RichiH -> hehe :) |
| 11:43.57 | L3muri4 | heh.. tty2 - the smallest kernel i ever done wa 840 :) and i on it now :) 2.4.27 :) |
| 11:44.10 | tty2 | RichiH -> althou i know deep down it isnt gentoo that bork.. but i most lilly have faulty memory .. but im in denial so its gentoos fault |
| 11:44.11 | L3muri4 | but 2.6.8.1 never goes below 1200 kb |
| 11:44.11 | bob2 | tty2: asking on debian-user would be quicker than rebuilding a kernel |
| 11:44.21 | bob2 | especially if you did it when I first suggested it, like 5 horus ago |
| 11:44.31 | EmleyMoor | 2.6.8.1 is horrible if you ever do audio CDs |
| 11:44.32 | simonrvn | the '->' thing is like a primitivist thingy. kinda annoying, but vaguely comical and neat at the same time |
| 11:44.33 | RichiH | tty2: memtest86 |
| 11:44.48 | RichiH | bob2: heh |
| 11:44.52 | L3muri4 | EmleyMoor - why ? because of the SCSI emulation or what? |
| 11:44.57 | tty2 | bob2 -> sorry .. you suggested that (so far as i could tell) when yous uggested rebuilding the kernel .. adn rebuilding the kernel is appealing anyway .. |
| 11:45.12 | EmleyMoor | L3muri4: No - it eats all the memory and kills everything! |
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| 11:45.27 | keta | in argentina, do they speak spanish or portuguese? |
| 11:45.33 | jm_ | Spanish |
| 11:45.37 | tty2 | RichiH -> yea.. i tryed that out.. didnt give any errors immediatly .. however if i understood memtest correctly i should let it run over night to pick up any errors.. i cant have my router down that long |
| 11:45.39 | EmleyMoor | keta: Spanish, and a little Welsh |
| 11:45.40 | L3muri4 | EmleyMoor - hmm.. why? i don;t have such problems.. maybe it depends on the hardware layer |
| 11:45.44 | keta | jm_: many thanks |
| 11:45.55 | MobyTurbo | keta: spanish. Only Brazil speaks portuguese |
| 11:45.57 | EmleyMoor | L3muri4: Seen it on two different machines and heard about it from others |
| 11:46.18 | L3muri4 | hmm... stragne EmleyMoor ... but everythig works fine on my box. |
| 11:46.23 | EmleyMoor | Most South American countries speak Spanish - Brazil is the major exception |
| 11:46.29 | tty2 | bob2 -> there is no such room as debian-user .. did you mean the actual mailing lsit? |
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| 11:47.06 | MobyTurbo | EmleyMoor: well, most people in Bolivia don't speak Spanish, they speak an Amerind language. |
| 11:47.08 | RichiH | tty2: yes, he did |
| 11:47.08 | bob2 | tty2: yes, I'm sure I said that |
| 11:47.25 | EmleyMoor | MobyTurbo: Yes - but the "public" language is Spanish |
| 11:47.32 | Aapzak | hello people, anyone here who can help me with compiling source code from php into the system? |
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| 11:48.07 | MobyTurbo | EmleyMoor: I think over 90% of the mostly illiterate population doesn't even know Spanish. |
| 11:48.12 | tty2 | bob2 -> you said it was a mailing list.. however you also appended it witha # so i assume dyou meant a room that was the home of the mailing list |
| 11:48.22 | Aapzak | I know how to compile, but I need a good guide for compiling stuff 'the Debian way' |
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| 11:49.05 | bob2 | tty2: I have not used "debian-user" and "#" in the same line in the past 12 hours. |
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| 11:49.08 | L3muri4 | Aapzak - read the faq about packaging in debian |
| 11:49.17 | tty2 | bob2 -> hmm .. my mistake then |
| 11:49.21 | L3muri4 | Aapzak - it's really easy .. |
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| 11:49.33 | karl_ | I have truetype fonts in truetype category How do I register then in xfont category in defoma |
| 11:49.39 | Aapzak | L3muri4: tnx, I will do that |
| 11:49.54 | asg | karl_: /msg dpkg font guide |
| 11:50.10 | bob2 | hah |
| 11:50.12 | bob2 | I was about to say "don't bother" |
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| 11:50.15 | asg | bob2: gotta pimp you out from time to time |
| 11:50.16 | aragorn | mozilla complains it has no plugin for viewing an application/x-mplayer2 file. i've installed mplayer but it doesnt change anything. what should i do? |
| 11:50.23 | Aapzak | The Debian GNU/Linux FAQ |
| 11:50.24 | Aapzak | Chapter 6 - Basics of the Debian package management system |
| 11:50.24 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:50.39 | bob2 | aragorn: apt-cache search mozilla mplayer |
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| 11:55.40 | aragorn | bob2 : ok thx |
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| 11:56.05 | cafuego | bah, godspam |
| 11:56.16 | simonrvn | meh ... The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is: 2.6.9-rc2. still. bleh. |
| 11:56.33 | cafuego | simonrvn: There's -bk patches. |
| 11:56.45 | simonrvn | i'm waiting for release |
| 11:56.47 | cafuego | simonrvn: Though they do admittedly not always compile. |
| 11:56.53 | bob2 | hey, 2.6.9-rc1 oopses when I remove my wireless, and apparently trashed my disk, too |
| 11:56.59 | vegai | Gentoo! |
| 11:57.14 | cafuego | bob2: Liar! You must have been running Knoppix. |
| 11:57.14 | aragorn | bob2 : no package found. should i louk somewhere else? |
| 11:57.20 | simonrvn | vegai: the x based file manager? |
| 11:57.31 | bob2 | aragorn: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 11:57.33 | bob2 | it's there |
| 11:57.40 | vegai | dpkg: gentoo |
| 11:57.41 | dpkg | [gentoo] a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc and Sparc64 systems. It rules all the inferior distributions (Sadly, not all other distributions are inferior ;). Kinda of akin to BSD according to chouimat, or something you don't want to administer more than 2 of, or a nice file browser, or see also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ and http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm, or and see http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
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| 11:57.45 | vegai | oops |
| 11:58.06 | Fpanel | ubuntu is make a GUI for d-i so i guess debian can edit it and bring it back home |
| 11:58.10 | vegai | "It rules all the inferior distributions", well put :) |
| 11:58.11 | aragorn | bob2: mplayer is installed on my system. it's working fine. but i cant get mozilla to open application/x-mplayer2 files |
| 11:58.21 | bob2 | Fpanel: blahblahblah |
| 11:58.35 | cafuego | Fpanel: I'm sure debian isn't interested in it. |
| 11:58.40 | bob2 | Fpanel: there's been a port for months, someone needs to finish it |
| 11:58.46 | g00se` | Why is Knoppix so frowned upon in these parts? |
| 11:58.57 | bob2 | aragorn: yes, because you're not looking very hard. install mozilla-mplayer or whatever it's called. |
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| 11:59.04 | bob2 | g00se`: because this is #debian, not #knoppix |
| 11:59.06 | cafuego | g00se`: it's not, it's just that we don't support it. |
| 11:59.16 | simonrvn | g00se`: it's a distro like any other, and has its own channel |
| 11:59.28 | SlayerXP | g00se`: because we have better things to do with our computers than watch is compile stuff for hours on end |
| 11:59.28 | asg | g00se`: unless you know what you are doing, you end up with broken crap, not debian, and then come in here and ask questions we can't possibly answer. |
| 11:59.33 | Fpanel | bob2: are you talking about the one progeny is working on |
| 11:59.35 | SlayerXP | oh, you said knoppix not gentoo, my bad |
| 11:59.37 | cafuego | SlayerXP: wrong one |
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| 12:00.15 | ricky_clarkson | g00se`: Same reason you don't ask a Latin professor about Spanish. |
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| 12:00.32 | bob2 | Fpanel: no, I'm talking about the gtkfb d-i port |
| 12:00.49 | rotten | is it possible to create a empty file with a specific size? |
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| 12:00.58 | asg | rotten: man dd |
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| 12:01.01 | aragorn | bob2: hmm ur right, mozilla-mplayer was in contrib, it works now..thx |
| 12:01.01 | bob2 | rotten: dd can. |
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| 12:01.40 | Fpanel | bob2: it need a rewrite |
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| 12:02.00 | cafuego | Did ubuntu just run 'find . | xargs perl -pi -e 's/Debian/Ubuntu' ' or something? |
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| 12:02.08 | bob2 | more or less |
| 12:02.13 | bob2 | come to LUV next month |
| 12:02.14 | asg | cafuego: they did some other stuff but basically yes |
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| 12:02.17 | bob2 | Fpanel: why? |
| 12:02.27 | oskie | would it improve system performance on a simple workstation with 1GB of memory if you removed the swap? |
| 12:02.38 | bob2 | oh, they did tons of other stuff, but the branding changes were grep'd. |
| 12:02.39 | bob2 | oskie: no |
| 12:02.49 | cafuego | Ah i see, they also skinned gdm. |
| 12:02.55 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Hey, at least that should avoid people coming here Knoppix-styleee. |
| 12:03.05 | oskie | bob2: but on my system it starts to swap out sleeping processes because it needs more memory for disk cache (!) |
| 12:03.19 | cafuego | oskie: No matter how much ram you have, a system will *always* be fatser if it also has swap. |
| 12:03.25 | bob2 | oskie: yes, that's a good thing |
| 12:03.32 | bob2 | oskie: if you don't like it, tell the kernel not to |
| 12:03.37 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: Depends on what its x-chat autojoin is like :-P |
| 12:03.37 | bob2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.40 | eye69 | oskie: The machine will only use swap when it has to. |
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| 12:04.22 | coywolf | CDMA and GSM, which is the future? |
| 12:04.23 | oskie | bob2: what should I set that value to? ("check kernel sources"? :) |
| 12:04.23 | cafuego | Does it least have X.org? |
| 12:04.33 | oskie | eye69: apparently not so |
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| 12:05.05 | cafuego | coywolf: neither, but currently GSM is much better (especially if you travel a lot) |
| 12:05.10 | bob2 | oskie: 0 if swap really bothers you that much |
| 12:05.13 | bob2 | coywolf: GSM |
| 12:05.21 | MobyTurbo | oskie: it actually slows things down to not have a swap file or partition, because the kernel uses more conservative memory algorithms if it knows that swap isn't there as backup. |
| 12:05.22 | SlayerXP | --> ChanCleaner (cleaner@freenode.channel.cleaner) has joined #clues-chat |
| 12:05.26 | oskie | eye69: example: after burning a 4.7GB DVD some processes are swapped out |
| 12:05.32 | Fpanel | bob2: because i here the code is so messy that.... |
| 12:05.32 | bob2 | cafuego: no |
| 12:05.43 | asg | SlayerXP: getting rid of the cruft? |
| 12:05.50 | oskie | MobyTurbo: hmm ok |
| 12:05.52 | cafuego | bob2: no xorg or gsm is not better if you travel? |
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| 12:05.57 | oskie | bob2: ok, thanks |
| 12:06.01 | asg | Fpanel: the text installer is just fine; windows has one, what's the big deal with a graphic one? |
| 12:06.06 | SlayerXP | asg: not a clue, never seen one of those before. |
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| 12:06.14 | asg | SlayerXP: ah, okay. |
| 12:06.24 | bob2 | cafuego: no x.org, ask daniels about it ;-) |
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| 12:06.39 | cafuego | bob2: I gotta get him to sign my gpg key. |
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| 12:07.10 | MobyTurbo | oskie: if you're running a 2.6 kernel you might want to look into using a swap file rather than swap partition, 2.6 sped up swap file performance to the point where it's about the same as a swap partition. |
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| 12:07.25 | citral | I will buy a second ethernet card to builda firewall, but for the moment I have adsl modem --> unmanaged switch --> two computers. Can they both acces internet ? |
| 12:07.30 | Fpanel | asg: EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA THERE ARE NOOBS IN THIS WORLD (crap only the extra part was ment to be caps) |
| 12:07.41 | oskie | MobyTurbo: hmm ok |
| 12:07.49 | coywolf | cafuego: bob2 is CDMA the major telecommunication tech in USA and Japan? |
| 12:07.59 | asg | Fpanel: and noobs install windows with a text installer for the first part just fine? (or it comes pre-installed and they never see it.) |
| 12:08.12 | MobyTurbo | oskie: I don't really reccomend 2.6 kernels though, 2.4 seems more stable. |
| 12:08.35 | Phated | asg: Dude, have you -seen- the windows installer? "Press 1. Hit Enter to continue." Not much to it... |
| 12:08.39 | cafuego | coywolf: In the US yes, due to the qualcomm patent, not sure about Japan. |
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| 12:08.56 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Press 2 to download viruses. |
| 12:09.00 | oskie | MobyTurbo: hehe |
| 12:09.01 | cafuego | coywolf: Though i hear all major US cities have GSM networks as well now. |
| 12:09.03 | asg | Phated: and the new d-i is about the same if you don't want to do things like dual boot, manage your own partitioning scheme, etc. |
| 12:09.23 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Aye. |
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| 12:09.31 | Phated | asg: No -way-. |
| 12:09.34 | BucDesktop | arghh |
| 12:09.40 | citral | 3) you're not alowed to install anything else than the service pack2 first |
| 12:09.47 | Phated | So I was justified in hating it after all... |
| 12:09.47 | BucDesktop | i've ran out of disk space so i can't finish my jigdo dvd download |
| 12:09.52 | asg | Phated: yes, you can do it with one hand even ;) |
| 12:09.54 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Installing windows isn't quite that straightforward, it does require a reasonable amount of time at the box. |
| 12:10.01 | Phated | citral: Even though it will break any apps you install in 4). |
| 12:10.02 | coywolf | cafuego: which is the most popular? CDMA? |
| 12:10.06 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: I did it in an hour. :| |
| 12:10.09 | cafuego | coywolf: GSM. |
| 12:10.11 | Phated | asg: XD |
| 12:10.11 | BucDesktop | i need to d/l mysql and all of the deps to cd so i can update my debian box that is not connected to the internet |
| 12:10.14 | BucDesktop | how can i do this? |
| 12:10.22 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: That's ages. |
| 12:10.28 | cafuego | coywolf: Or did you mean in the us? No idea, don't give a crap either. |
| 12:10.39 | Hadaka | does someone happen to know how I could modify permissions for the device files of a certain usb device? |
| 12:10.44 | coywolf | cafuego: i mean in usa |
| 12:10.52 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: Then configuring it to be useful (removing Outlook, installing bits of software etc.) takes another 30 minutes. |
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| 12:11.10 | cafuego | coywolf: yeah, dunno, don't give a crap. Don't go there (at all) |
| 12:11.15 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Ahh, that junk. |
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| 12:11.18 | TMM | hi all! |
| 12:11.27 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: I wish I had the resources to set up Ghost where I did some sysadmin. |
| 12:11.40 | Phated | HOW, I ask, can -anyone- be so damn perky? |
| 12:11.44 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: My phone works everywhere in Europe except the Isle of Man. |
| 12:11.45 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Oh well. :) |
| 12:11.49 | Phated | cafuego: Roaming? |
| 12:11.54 | cafuego | Phated: yeah |
| 12:11.56 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Which is where my Dad lives. ;( |
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| 12:12.07 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: How about south america and asia? :-) |
| 12:12.20 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: *I* don't work in those places. |
| 12:12.21 | coywolf | cafuego: it was said among 10 telcommunication providers, there's 7 CDMA in usa. how about your country? |
| 12:12.25 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Never been out of Europe. |
| 12:12.31 | MobyTurbo | ricky_clarkson: what are the people of the Isle of Man called, mankind? (Yes, I know, it's Manx. ;-) ) |
| 12:12.35 | cafuego | Though be careful, Brazil->Australia is *fucking* expensive. |
| 12:12.40 | g4lt | cafuego I dunno, I think there's some Wilderness Areas in Idah that it won't work... |
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| 12:12.57 | cafuego | coywolf: There's one that does CDMA on the side, the rest are all GSM. |
| 12:12.57 | TMM | is there anybody here that can point me to a description of the ext3 on disk format? I need to know the state of a deleted block and inode. weither or not pointer blocks are deleted too... |
| 12:12.59 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Standard rates are £1 a minute for outgoing calls, 40p a minute for incoming. |
| 12:13.10 | ricky_clarkson | While roaming. |
| 12:13.30 | toresbe | The remaining 10% being THIS BLOODY BASEMENT |
| 12:13.32 | coywolf | cafuego: oh, i see |
| 12:13.58 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: For your provider? |
| 12:14.02 | toresbe | Speaking of it, it's ringing upstairs, brb |
| 12:14.10 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Someone was saying that Holland only covers part of the Netherlands. Can you clarify? |
| 12:14.16 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: That's what I get charged. |
| 12:14.18 | cafuego | ricky_clarkson: Coz I got this neet $300 bill after spending 5 days in brazil. |
| 12:14.25 | ricky_clarkson | cafuego: Haha! |
| 12:14.26 | TMM | cafuego: don't you have to pay through the nose then when someone in holland calls you? |
| 12:14.28 | orjan | coywolf: european cdma is usually w-cdma diiferent than the us on iirc |
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