| 00:00.03 | shamu | yup dondelecaro -- is there a command that lists all the .dpkg-old files lying around ? |
| 00:00.15 | dondelelcaro | shamu: I gave it to you. find / -type f -iname '*.dpkg-old' |
| 00:00.26 | shamu | whoops, my highlighting is off |
| 00:00.29 | shamu | thanks |
| 00:00.48 | dondelelcaro | probably find /etc would work, but whatever... |
| 00:00.51 | shamu | dpkg only moves conffiles, and then only using that suffix, right? |
| 00:00.52 | dpkg | shamu: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:01.04 | shamu | who's dpkg? |
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| 00:01.11 | dondelelcaro | shamu: it doesn't move conffile unless you say yes. |
| 00:01.28 | dondelelcaro | shamu: otherwise, it sticks the distributed version there if you say no. |
| 00:01.31 | xenwryly | where's the proper place to put a chroot installation? |
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| 00:01.35 | shamu | gotcha, thanks |
| 00:01.39 | dondelelcaro | xenwryly: wherever you want it. |
| 00:01.53 | shamu | one frequent use for chroot installs is at the top level of a mounted partition |
| 00:02.03 | xenwryly | dondelelcaro: /var /usr? |
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| 00:02.09 | shamu | so you can then make that partition the root of another system |
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| 00:02.29 | shamu | no, usually like : mkdir /tmp/foo; mount /dev/hda4 /tmp/foo; chroot /tmp/foo |
| 00:02.33 | dondelelcaro | xenwryly: /var will work, /mnt isn't unusual... I like /exports... but do whatever you want. |
| 00:02.45 | shamu | sorry, not /tmp |
| 00:02.52 | shamu | I have /var/tmp/sid, for example |
| 00:03.49 | KnyghtMare | hi, I used the apache-perl package to install mod_perl, then used the php4 package to install php support.. now I want to upgrade to php5 and there doesn't seem to be a backport avaliable and no apxs on the apache-perl install, anybody know a way to install PHP5 without the need to recompile mod_perl by hand? |
| 00:04.33 | syntaxis | KnyghtMare: I believe http://www.dotdeb.org has a PHP5 backport |
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| 00:04.51 | xenwryly | dondelelcaro: k, thanks |
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| 00:05.36 | KnyghtMare | thanks syntaxis |
| 00:05.45 | helloyo | does anyone know where the list of keysyms is kept? |
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| 00:06.46 | shamu | who just asked the question about downloading a whole web page? |
| 00:06.57 | shamu | oops never mind |
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| 00:09.11 | emes | why are there 14 cds in the latest testing? which do i need to install? |
| 00:09.31 | omry | what is this command supposed to do (parhaps on on debian) : /usr/bin/X11/Xvfb :0 & |
| 00:09.34 | ApEtc | emes: If you do the net install, only 1 |
| 00:09.52 | kruzi | if im using apache2 do i put virtual host info in sites.conf as opposed to apache2.conf? |
| 00:10.11 | emes | ApEtc: it has a pcmcia prism2 wireless card, can the installer use that? |
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| 00:11.30 | ApEtc | emes: I'm not perfectly certain, but I believe prism2 is available with the 2.4 kernel install |
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| 00:12.18 | emes | ApEtc: does the actuall install use the net, or just installing packages after? |
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| 00:14.22 | thoreauputic | emes: you can do a perfectly adequate basic install from the first cd |
| 00:14.32 | emes | thoreauputic: ok, thx |
| 00:14.37 | thoreauputic | emes: the rest you can apt-get |
| 00:14.40 | emes | thoreauputic: with 2.6? |
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| 00:15.10 | mentor | emes: There are 14 CDs because that's the number of CDs needed to contain all of the packages Debain has. |
| 00:15.16 | thoreauputic | emes: I believe that's an option - but you need to read the d-i page to check |
| 00:15.32 | emes | ok |
| 00:15.33 | mentor | emes: If you have a suitable net conntection a netinstall CD or floppy would be a better option. |
| 00:15.41 | mentor | !tell emes about netinst |
| 00:16.08 | Nurbs | I think I remember some package that could rebuild debian packages from source and automatically apply patches to it in the process, but I can't remember the name or find it through apt-cache (afaict it wasn't pbuilder, pentium-builder or debian-builder at least) |
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| 00:16.21 | Nurbs | can someone point me to it? |
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| 00:17.25 | Mardus | Hi all. |
| 00:17.45 | Mardus | Now I can do some stuff with my HDD again, as I'm in the office. |
| 00:17.53 | emes | i origionally installed gentoo on this p2 366 laptop, but that isnt working very well, lol |
| 00:18.18 | thoreauputic | emes: in any case apt-getting a new kernel is pretty trivial... |
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| 00:19.38 | Mardus | Question: I have a hard drive, partitioned; the first partition is FAT /with data on which I want to transfer to another place over a LAN, the other is Linux. The HDD does not boot automatically. If I wanted to connect this HDD in a computer to the same cable as the original HDD /a Win HDD, should my HDD be at the end of the cable or at the middle (jumper set as SLave)? |
| 00:19.46 | Mardus | -on |
| 00:20.01 | dippo | for anyone interested, my ssh issue was MTU over a pptp tunnel |
| 00:20.16 | dippo | no idea why "strace ssh" or "ssh -v" would affect the packet size versus normal ssh though |
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| 00:20.41 | Mardus | Supplemental: I need the Win to startup on the original/primary HDD and the FAT partition marked as D. |
| 00:21.00 | thoreauputic | emes: on older boxes, I'd be inclined to stick to lightweight apps (eg sylpheed for mail, or even mutt - and choose a light file manager like rox or emelfm etc |
| 00:21.04 | tvn | can someone confirms that the Nautilus icon problem still present in Sarge ? |
| 00:21.28 | emes | thoreauputic: i know, i plan to use fluxbox |
| 00:21.36 | thoreauputic | emes: and a small window manager of course - wmaker, fluxbox, icewm |
| 00:21.46 | thoreauputic | ah - OK :) |
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| 00:22.20 | phogg | Mardus: the question has nothing to do with Linux or Debian, even if Debian is on the Linux partition. Where the drive is on the cable does not affect its logical assignment, unless it is jumpered as cable select |
| 00:22.24 | thoreauputic | emes: an excellent choice, if I might venture to say so , Sir ;) |
| 00:22.42 | Mardus | phogg: Ok, thanks. |
| 00:22.48 | emes | thoreauputic: i use fluxbox for my p4 2.4C, i like it :) |
| 00:23.23 | thoreauputic | emes: I'm running Flux here , too :) |
| 00:23.39 | Mardus | phogg: I admit the flaw in the question, 'cause I'm the first of my father and mother, hence a version 1.0. |
| 00:23.43 | Mardus | ;) |
| 00:24.16 | emes | but i also plan to show off linux to my friends with this laptop, and it would take a week to compile kde on it with gentoo :) |
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| 00:24.37 | phogg | Mardus: version 1.0 has no special meaning in the non-corporate world. See Gaim's recent amusing version jump. |
| 00:24.57 | Mardus | phogg: Been a Windows user for most of my life. |
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| 00:25.34 | Mardus | I do need help with Debian later on anyway. |
| 00:25.56 | thoreauputic | emes: indeed |
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| 00:26.41 | helloyo | emes, get all your themes and everything setup well! |
| 00:26.57 | mcbridematt | does anyone know a way to get around kontact-plugins bug #268892 . I installed a testing system (using netinst cd) for a friend to upgrade to unstable, but he isn't able to install mozilla or a whole lot of other stuff because of this |
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| 00:29.09 | err404 | bonsoir, quelle est la commande pour reconfigurer l'interface eth0 en tant que ethernet, car mon eth0 viens de se transformaer en "lien encap:UNSPEC" et suivi d'une adresse hard tres longue, et il n'y à plus d'adresse ip definie (du coup plus rien en reseau) |
| 00:29.27 | Ronin | umm err404 english would help us help you |
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| 00:29.37 | err404 | sorry french |
| 00:29.43 | err404 | only |
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| 00:30.28 | phogg | must upgrade something... what's a good package I probably don't have? |
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| 00:31.06 | phogg | err404: #debian-fr |
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| 00:31.40 | err404 | phogg: merci |
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| 00:33.44 | JediMaster | hi all, I'm having some problems setting up quotas on a sarge system, I've not tried before, never needed them, I've added "usrquota,grpquota" to the options for / in the fstab, I installed quotatools, rebooted, and can see "VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1" in dmesg, however the command "quotatool -u admin -bq 100M -l "150Mb" /" gives me the error: "quotatool: Error while detecting kernel quota version: No such process". Can anyone help? Thanks |
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| 00:34.42 | JediMaster | I mean "quota" and "quotatool" packages |
| 00:35.11 | JediMaster | peterS: maybe, but quotatool just doesn't seem to work |
| 00:35.22 | JediMaster | pretty sure it's something I've missed though |
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| 00:35.30 | phogg | JediMaster: maybe you don't have quotas enabled in the kernel? |
| 00:35.50 | JediMaster | phogg, what, even with that message in dmesg? |
| 00:36.07 | peterS | JediMaster: I don't use quotas, but I seem to recall that different kernel versions have incompatible implementations |
| 00:36.11 | JediMaster | it's a default debian kernel... er I think, let me check |
| 00:36.12 | phogg | JediMaster: Unless you know you compiled it in, that would be my first guess, message or no. |
| 00:36.26 | peterS | JediMaster: check the docs for your quota package and make sure it claims to support your kernel version |
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| 00:36.43 | JediMaster | hmm it's an older one 2.6.0-1-686-smp |
| 00:37.46 | JediMaster | actually there's something weird |
| 00:38.00 | JediMaster | the root filesystem is type "unkown" |
| 00:38.03 | JediMaster | according to mount: |
| 00:38.07 | JediMaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.15 | elephant | What dictionnary should i use ? |
| 00:38.25 | elephant | For french-english translation |
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| 00:38.35 | elephant | i am on kde-debian |
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| 00:39.20 | Mardus | phogg: Thanks for your previous advice, it worked. |
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| 00:39.44 | JediMaster | hmm, I'm going to upgrade the kernel... remotely, fun fun, only 100 miles away at 1:39am lol |
| 00:39.51 | guestish | JediMaster: lol.. |
| 00:40.07 | guestish | JediMaster: its easy, unless something goes wrong ;) |
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| 00:40.32 | phogg | JediMaster: I hope you're using lilo |
| 00:40.48 | guestish | phogg: grub's good too |
| 00:41.03 | JediMaster | bah, should be ok, can remotely get into it even if the network's down, just need to call one of the engineers to go slap a boot cd in |
| 00:41.12 | phogg | guestish: not for remote kernel upgrades, not last I knew |
| 00:41.14 | guestish | JediMaster: at 1 am? :) |
| 00:41.22 | JediMaster | phogg: yes actually, but I've normally like grub more |
| 00:41.24 | guestish | phogg: it doesnt matter which you use |
| 00:41.35 | JediMaster | er s/i'\ve/I/ |
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| 00:42.54 | Mardus | Question: Now I have here an original-to-the-computer WinME HDD, and another with Debian that boots thru a floppy. Both HDD's are connected to one Primary cable, the Deb HDD is SLave. Is it possible to boot that same HDD through floppy with what the current config is -- and that the WinME HDD wouldn't be affected? I tried this with another computer and it somehow worked. |
| 00:43.48 | useruser | Mardus: yes i reckon you'll be ok |
| 00:44.04 | Mardus | Supplemental: With 'current config' I meant how the HDD's are set up right now. The WinME HDD is critical in that I don't want it affected, but I don't want to boot Deb though opening the comp case and switching cables all the time. |
| 00:44.14 | Mardus | * through |
| 00:44.45 | Mardus | JediMaster: laughs |
| 00:45.02 | Mardus | JediMaster: I meant 'laughter' |
| 00:45.08 | JediMaster | =) |
| 00:45.08 | Mardus | Ok, I'll see what happens with that HDD business |
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| 00:46.08 | JediMaster | surely that's gotta be a typo? but how can you put a typo in a kernel image name? even has kernel headers for it too |
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| 00:47.19 | Aldaris | if I have a program written with license GPL and want to use an 3rd party LGPL library, do I have to convert the library to GPL? |
| 00:47.29 | afcpack | JediMaster: hell, I could have a kernel 2.6.8-these_arent_the_droids_youre_looking_for :) |
| 00:48.03 | guestish | Aldaris: try #gnu |
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| 00:48.11 | dondelelcaro | Aldaris: no. the LGPL is compatible with the GPL |
| 00:48.26 | JediMaster | yes afcpack, but it's in the offical feeds |
| 00:49.10 | afcpack | JediMaster: ahh... that's different... never mind :) |
| 00:49.15 | Aldaris | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:50.25 | Mardus | useruser: Looks like it worked well: I booted into Linux with a floppy, and removed the floppy and WinME booted. |
| 00:50.54 | Mardus | Oh wow, this is way too cool: now I don't have to switch cables all the time. |
| 00:51.04 | Ronin | keep the floppy in Mardus |
| 00:51.48 | Mardus | Ronin: I meant to say that I shutdown Deb, then removed floppy, then booted WinME. |
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| 00:52.06 | Ronin | i know like i said keep that floppy in :) |
| 00:52.21 | useruser | Mardus: next step: install lilo on the slave hard disk as tell your bios to boot off the slave; add a boot menu option for windoze and you can dispense with the floppy alltogether |
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| 00:53.11 | Mardus | useruser: I can't, because I'm afraid of compromising the WinME HDD. I'm in the office and that HDD contains a bookkeeping app. |
| 00:53.13 | Vyrus | anybody here use codeweavers |
| 00:53.34 | useruser | Mardus: if the bios can boot off the secondary hard disk you don't have to touch the master at all |
| 00:53.44 | useruser | s/secondary/slave/ |
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| 00:54.29 | kaplanfx | sweet, new burner got here today (NEC ND-5000A) |
| 00:54.29 | Mardus | useruser: I am not this seasoned in GNU/Linux/Debian yet and I would want to try this @Home, because there is a P120 comp and reading the floppy just to boot my HDD takes 5 minutes. |
| 00:54.31 | Mardus | Or more. |
| 00:54.41 | kaplanfx | er ND-3500A rather |
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| 00:54.55 | kaplanfx | this is the first time I'll have a linux box with a burner in it |
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| 00:56.03 | Mardus | Question: I just have a bare-bones install on that HDD, how do I make security updates? |
| 00:56.46 | thoreauputic | Mardus: run apt-setup and include security sources |
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| 00:57.11 | Mardus | thoreauputic: I think I had the security sources included when I first installed Debian. |
| 00:58.02 | thoreauputic | Mardus: well, then you haven't a problem - apt-get upgrade should pull any security updates in for you |
| 00:58.13 | Mardus | thoreauputic: Do I have to be the root for that? |
| 00:58.37 | thoreauputic | Mardus: yes, you run apt-get as root of course |
| 00:59.04 | Mardus | thoreauputic: Just found out thru trial&error |
| 00:59.55 | thoreauputic | Mardus: installing system-wide software will always require root privileges, of course :) |
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| 01:01.25 | Mardus | thoreauputic: Ok, looks like it worked. I am so happy that I have my first successfully installed and networked Linux install ^_^ |
| 01:02.13 | thoreauputic | Mardus: congratulations ! :) |
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| 01:02.37 | JediMaster | ahh yes, I remember this kernel panic I got last time I upgraded to 2.6 on this machine.... grrr |
| 01:02.56 | Mardus | I have 2.4 |
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| 01:03.19 | Mardus | thoreauputic: The thing was that I did the install like three weeks go, but then missed all the buses, went home on foot and caught such a cold that I still cough. Which reminds me that I have to take some cough medicine. |
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| 01:03.27 | JediMaster | "pivot_root: No such file or directory".."/sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: No such file"..."Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!"... any ideas anyone? |
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| 01:04.11 | resiak | Not strictly a #debian question, but I ask because <ego_boost target="regulars">you're all such knowledgable, helpful people :)</ego_boost> I am in a bit of a pickle about how to keep my contacts and calendar syncronised between desktop and laptop. I'm currently using Evolution. I've solved email by running an IMAP server; I'm open to suggestions for similar solutions to the other two, erm, collections of data. |
| 01:04.29 | Mardus | And my left ear, the one that can hear, feels like its aching a bit. |
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| 01:05.16 | thoreauputic | Mardus: apt-get install hot lemon and honey with rum ;) |
| 01:05.54 | syntaxis | Mardus: that's a good point, actually... why does one's hearing suffer when one has a heavy cold? |
| 01:06.06 | guestish | oy |
| 01:06.10 | resiak | syntaxis: aren't the ears connected to the nose? |
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| 01:06.37 | aalex_ | hello |
| 01:06.48 | Mardus | syntaxis, resiak: I strongly think they are. |
| 01:07.10 | bailey | I am having a problem with my xterms in X-windows, i just updated to 2.6.8 and when i open an xterm it opens for like 5 seconds and then closes every time i have tried everything i can think of but nothing will work??? can anyone help |
| 01:07.12 | resiak | Mardus, syntaxis: Hence the whole holding-the-nose-and-exhaling-with-mouth-shut-to-make-ears-pop thing. It also sounds familiar from when my eardrums burst... |
| 01:07.17 | aalex_ | help |
| 01:07.17 | syntaxis | resiak: so how does it work... the snot migrates into your ear cavities? :-D |
| 01:07.25 | duende | Help : I have some files in a directory that i'm trying to remove, but it's saying Permission denied, i'm logged in as root, and it's only png files. Even if i do a ls -l in the directory, it says permission denied for 5 files |
| 01:07.47 | resiak | syntaxis: Actually, if your drums burst, you get a nice yellowy fluid on your pillows :p |
| 01:07.53 | Mardus | syntaxis: I guess it does, because once a cold is caught, hearing is not as good as it was before catching the cold. |
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| 01:08.18 | asg | Mardus: and your snot tastes like peanut butter |
| 01:08.22 | Mardus | syntaxis: And post factum (after the cold) the hearing is supposed to get to default levels. |
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| 01:08.30 | syntaxis | Mardus: I can't wait |
| 01:08.34 | Mardus | asg: Did you taste it? |
| 01:08.39 | resiak | asg: delicious baked into cookies |
| 01:08.41 | asg | Mardus: of course |
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| 01:08.50 | asg | resiak: snot or peanut butter? |
| 01:08.55 | Mardus | asg: So you put your finger into my nose? |
| 01:08.58 | resiak | asg: Well, by implication, both |
| 01:09.15 | resiak | asg: Although I must say I've only tried one... |
| 01:09.29 | asg | Mardus: not yours personally. |
| 01:09.43 | Mardus | asg: And by asking whether you've tasted it, I didn't ask about peanut butter... |
| 01:09.48 | syntaxis | resiak: if you want to taste snot, just try snorting it down into your mouth instead of blowing it into a tissue |
| 01:09.48 | asg | bailey: if you reboot with your previous kernel, do the symptoms persist? |
| 01:09.50 | afeared | hey guys, I was having some real bad issues with my new kernel not detecting root, causing kernel panic. I've already tried --initrd, my other course of action was to use LILO, or embed IDE support into the kernel. But in xconfig, I can only make ATA support in a module. |
| 01:10.06 | guestish | arg |
| 01:10.07 | guestish | i lost |
| 01:10.26 | syntaxis | guestish: did you use one of the bid sniping programs? |
| 01:10.26 | Mardus | thoreauputic: man Brontex(R) sez: apt-get Brontex, dependancy: run only after apt-get food consumption |
| 01:10.49 | resiak | syntaxis: I currently have a nice cold + chest infection, so... |
| 01:10.51 | Mardus | I will be using a hot lamp tomorrow for my poor ear. |
| 01:10.51 | asg | Mardus: when I mentioned 'your' above, I was talking about it in a personal possessive sense (i.e., when I have a cold, my snot tastes like peanut butter, in the back of the throat) |
| 01:11.01 | resiak | asg: As in the "one's" sense? |
| 01:11.07 | guestish | syntaxis: nah |
| 01:11.16 | syntaxis | guestish: check out the bidwatcher package |
| 01:11.33 | syntaxis | !info bidwatcher |
| 01:11.35 | dpkg | bidwatcher: (Tool for watching and bidding on eBay auctions), section net, is optional. Version: 1.3.16-1 (sid), Packaged size: 118 kB, Installed size: 356 kB |
| 01:11.59 | bailey | No it worked in the previous kernel but i have tried recompiling and haven't figured out what the setting is??? |
| 01:12.08 | bailey | do you have any idea |
| 01:12.17 | Mardus | asg: I am not an English speaker natively anyway. |
| 01:12.18 | paolo | Ho do I paste? |
| 01:12.24 | paolo | Where do I paste? |
| 01:12.29 | syntaxis | paolo: #flood |
| 01:12.38 | asg | bailey: did you recompile 2.6.8 with the same settings as the previous one? (i.e. you copied the previous .config and did 'make oldconfig'?) |
| 01:12.39 | Mardus | paolo: Depends on how did you copy your stuff into the clipboard |
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| 01:12.50 | thoreauputic | Mardus: dpkg-reconfigure respiratory-tract |
| 01:12.50 | asg | Mardus: no worries, I'm being silly and should be ignored |
| 01:12.53 | syntaxis | paolo: or here if it's just a few lines |
| 01:12.53 | asg | Mardus: ;) |
| 01:13.05 | paolo | syntaxis: 6 lines |
| 01:13.22 | syntaxis | I don't know what the threshold is for something constituting a flood |
| 01:13.27 | resiak | thoreauputic: Could not open lock file: are you a doctor? |
| 01:13.29 | asg | syntaxis: >3 lines |
| 01:13.35 | syntaxis | asg: ah, cool |
| 01:13.37 | Mardus | asg: Well, I forgive you. You may probably have some qualities that in no way could be termed as 'silly'. |
| 01:13.42 | syntaxis | paolo: so paste it 3 lines at a time :-) |
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| 01:14.04 | syntaxis | thoreauputic: :-D |
| 01:14.27 | asg | Mardus: my qualities are usually respectable unless it's late and I've had a few too many pints; forgive me |
| 01:14.29 | syntaxis | lol |
| 01:14.50 | Mardus | asg: I have already. Forgiveness is a virtue. |
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| 01:15.08 | paolo | Well, I'm going to paste here. My syslog gives many lines like these (note: the hd and the mb _are_ good): |
| 01:15.10 | Mardus | thoreauputic: I don't know how dpkg-reconfiguring my respiratory tract looks like; I can't imagine what you meant by that. |
| 01:15.11 | paolo | Sep 30 14:19:55 localhost kernel: Buffer I/O error on device hdc1, logical block 9170603 |
| 01:15.12 | paolo | Sep 30 14:19:55 localhost kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on hdc1 |
| 01:15.12 | paolo | Sep 30 14:19:55 localhost kernel: hdc: recal_intr: status=0x61 { DriveReady DeviceFault Error } |
| 01:15.19 | bailey | asg: No i didn't should i try that? |
| 01:15.22 | guestish | syntaxis: wow, cool |
| 01:15.29 | guestish | syntaxis: is it command line or GUI? |
| 01:15.30 | soyuz | am I correct to believe that using pristine source tree the kernel *should* compile without make menuconfig or am I in need of a supplier of hallucinagenics? |
| 01:15.44 | syntaxis | Mardus: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=joke |
| 01:15.48 | syntaxis | :-D |
| 01:15.56 | guestish | syntaxis: or both? |
| 01:15.59 | nvz | man I am about to give up on this one.. heh I've been trying to test phpgroupware for days to see what it was like, but its too much of a PITA for a PHP based groupware suite |
| 01:16.03 | asg | bailey: you should, at lesat to eliminate the possibility that you forgot something (what it is I don't know, I've never seen xterms start and stop 5 seconds later for no apparent reason.) |
| 01:16.04 | Mardus | syntaxis: I took it as a joke anyway. |
| 01:16.11 | asg | s/lesat/least/ |
| 01:16.19 | thoreauputic | Mardus: it's an ncurses based solution... I always wondered what the "curses" bit was aboout... |
| 01:16.24 | paolo | Also lines like: |
| 01:16.24 | paolo | Sep 30 14:19:57 localhost kernel: ide1: reset: success |
| 01:16.24 | paolo | Sep 30 14:19:57 localhost kernel: hdc: set_geometry_intr: status=0x61 { DriveReady DeviceFault Error } |
| 01:16.24 | paolo | Sep 30 14:19:57 localhost kernel: hdc: set_geometry_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStatusError } |
| 01:16.34 | paolo | What could be the problem? the kernel? |
| 01:16.49 | asg | paolo: you're drive is likely to be dying. Backup your data and buy another one. |
| 01:16.52 | Mardus | thoreauputic: I don't know the difference between ncurses and curses anyway. Only that everyone can curse. |
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| 01:17.08 | asg | resiak: debhelper won't kick him but an op will if one shows up. |
| 01:17.08 | syntaxis | guestish: I've never used it myself, I'm afraid |
| 01:17.19 | guestish | syntaxis: lol, why? |
| 01:17.30 | resiak | asg: Where is debhelper? |
| 01:17.41 | asg | resiak: been awol for a bit |
| 01:17.45 | asg | !seen debhelper |
| 01:17.45 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'debhelper', asg |
| 01:17.49 | paolo | asg: but I have just changed it, and the mb too. The same error now as before |
| 01:17.49 | resiak | asg: These poor bots seem to be having housing difficulties |
| 01:17.49 | syntaxis | guestish: it depends on gtk, so I think GUI is a safe bet |
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| 01:18.13 | syntaxis | guestish: because all the auctions I've ever bid on, I did *before* finding out that such tools existed, lol |
| 01:18.14 | thoreauputic | Mardus: dpkg-reconfigure is a kind of "when all else fails" catch-all Debian solution.... to put it as technically as possible ;) |
| 01:18.16 | asg | paolo: oh, when did this start and what did you possibly do to cause it? |
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| 01:18.34 | guestish | syntaxis: heh |
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| 01:18.40 | syntaxis | guestish: had I only been aware of its existence, I surely would have :-) |
| 01:18.44 | asg | resiak: it happens, it happens. Thankfully, dondelelcaro is a good botwrangler |
| 01:18.46 | Mardus | thoreauputic: I don't understand the 'catch-all' part. |
| 01:18.57 | resiak | dondelelcaro: :) |
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| 01:19.15 | resiak | Where in fact do the bots live? |
| 01:19.18 | syntaxis | Mardus: like a fail-safe |
| 01:19.23 | syntaxis | Mardus: last resort, kind of thing |
| 01:19.27 | paolo | I don't know, once I installed the kernel 2.6.4-1-686... Could it be the guilty? |
| 01:19.27 | asg | resiak: rzlab.ucr.edu (at the moment) |
| 01:19.35 | dondelelcaro | resiak: on a box across the room from me |
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| 01:19.43 | syntaxis | Mardus: a scorched earth approach, you might say :-D |
| 01:19.47 | thoreauputic | Mardus: for example, the usual incantation when you can't get X to work is "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 01:19.52 | sussudio | !where are you |
| 01:19.52 | dpkg | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 01:19.55 | asg | paolo: what were you using before? does the problem go away if you go back to using what you were using before? |
| 01:20.10 | Mardus | Reference to: syntaxis, thoreauputic: Oh yea, I was already typing a question about examples. |
| 01:20.12 | resiak | dondelelcaro asg dpkg : i seeeee. |
| 01:20.28 | paolo | asg: well, I can try with the preceeding kernel. Let me do it! thank you! |
| 01:20.31 | Mardus | throeauputic: I guess I understand your joke better now. |
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| 01:20.32 | resiak | Damn, i thought dpkg might have an amusing reply |
| 01:20.41 | nvz | sussudio: whats that about are they actually programmed to determine thier location? |
| 01:20.44 | asg | paolo: please do, it will help narrow the problem space |
| 01:20.57 | sussudio | :-| |
| 01:21.01 | sussudio | ~where are you |
| 01:21.02 | apt | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 01:21.13 | sussudio | @where are you |
| 01:21.14 | ravenbird | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 01:21.14 | resiak | @where are you |
| 01:21.20 | nvz | apperently not |
| 01:21.22 | jgrafals | is there a debian isp irc channel? I have some sendmail problems. |
| 01:21.26 | Mardus | thoreauputic: I' was having some very good Latvian-made anti-cough and anti-snot syrup, but I ran out of it and was left with Brontex. |
| 01:21.28 | asg | nvz: the question is where 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W is |
| 01:21.41 | Alleria | why does tcpdump give a nonzero number for "packets dropped by kernel" even with no iptables filtering? |
| 01:21.42 | asg | jgrafals: if #sendmail can't answer it, ask here |
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| 01:21.49 | sussudio | www.mapquest.com |
| 01:21.52 | Cueball | Whats the prog to find out what proccess ID's are using a file or /dev device |
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| 01:22.18 | asg | Cueball: lsof |
| 01:22.18 | jgrafals | I upgraded my production server tonight from woody to sarge and last sendmail auth |
| 01:22.27 | Cueball | Cheers asg |
| 01:22.28 | nvz | asg: amherst, co |
| 01:22.28 | asg | Cueball: fuser too |
| 01:22.34 | thoreauputic | Mardus: my Grandmother used to work wonders with hot lemon juice and honey ;) |
| 01:22.37 | asg | nvz: there you go then |
| 01:23.03 | jgrafals | I can't even find an error in sendmail log :-( |
| 01:23.04 | asg | nvz: I was hoping for something tropical, on a beach with a drink but amherst will do. |
| 01:23.06 | resiak | nvz: CO == Colorado? |
| 01:23.21 | Mardus | thoreauputic: At least I have warm tea here, made with a coffee machine and remnants of coffee. That should keep me up all night /although I woke at about 22:00, while it's 04:22. Father brought some honey home, but I don't like that honey. He also brought some onions, too. |
| 01:23.22 | syntaxis | thoreauputic: that sounds quite nice... way better than lemsip at any rate |
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| 01:23.42 | Mardus | syntaxis: What's lempsip? |
| 01:24.02 | Mardus | syntaxis: *lemsip |
| 01:24.06 | resiak | Mardus: Oh, lemsip is a minor deity! It's over-the-counter cough medicine |
| 01:24.16 | nvz | resiak: not sure what I am looking at, google -> 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W -> [I'm Feeling Lucky] |
| 01:24.24 | dondelelcaro | http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?infact=2&outfact=2&act=move&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=42.37512&mlon=-72.51999&msym=bigdot&mlabel=&murl=&lat=42.37512&lon=-72.51999&wid=0.360&ht=0.130&conf=mapnew.con |
| 01:24.33 | Mardus | resiak: How does is it applied? |
| 01:24.40 | syntaxis | Mardus: you drink it |
| 01:24.42 | resiak | Mardus: You drink it, and feel better. |
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| 01:25.07 | thoreauputic | resiak: the ultimate cure is to hang your hat at the end of the bed, then drink hot rum until you see two hats ... |
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| 01:25.21 | Mardus | thoreauputic: LOL LOL |
| 01:25.23 | resiak | thoreauputic: And then be able to spell like your username :p |
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| 01:25.37 | nvz | resiak: Massachusetts I guess |
| 01:25.40 | nvz | resiak: not CO |
| 01:25.46 | tak_ | hello |
| 01:25.50 | resiak | nvz: You just spoiled the fun... |
| 01:25.55 | syntaxis | thoreauputic: that's aquavit :-D |
| 01:26.05 | Mardus | resiak, Oh, that Latvian syrup I had, I had to have it 4-6 times a day with a soup spoon. |
| 01:26.05 | syntaxis | thoreauputic: see e.g. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/08/msg00753.html |
| 01:26.05 | nvz | resiak: Amherst, MA |
| 01:26.08 | thoreauputic | resiak: much thought was applied to the spelling of my user name :) |
| 01:26.11 | tak_ | im trying to add an interface to a bridge, but im getting Invalid Argument... brctl addif br0 tun0 |
| 01:26.18 | tak_ | Anyone know why I am getting this error? |
| 01:26.25 | Mardus | throeauputic: Because therapeutic was taken? |
| 01:26.48 | thoreauputic | Mardus: no, there's rather more to it than that |
| 01:27.09 | tak_ | i think you needed more thought... you still spelled it wrong |
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| 01:27.46 | thoreauputic | tak_ has it occurred to you that the spelling is deliberate? |
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| 01:28.09 | Mardus | thoreauputic: Ok /about you giving more thought to how your name is spelled. |
| 01:28.16 | resiak | tak_: Ok, I think you win. |
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| 01:29.22 | tak_ | resiak: and that's only my FIRST virtual terminal |
| 01:29.39 | asg | tak_: the next fun step is to do that in multi-split ion2 screens |
| 01:29.46 | Mardus | It's interesting that one day I'm here and announce what kind of IRC client I use, people are angry and another day (or night, like now), people actually care enough to know when I say that my ear is not feeling well or I caught a cold and then make warm (not literally warm, but heartwarming) jokes. |
| 01:29.52 | bzik | how do i check if i'm using woody? just by /etc/apt/source.list? if it's stable == woody? |
| 01:29.56 | resiak | tak_: Well, I'm using screen -x over ssh with adjacent PCs, so there. |
| 01:29.59 | dondelelcaro | !no, where are you is <reply>I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 01:30.01 | asg | bzik: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:30.06 | thomas_adam | Mardus: I couldn't give a shit. There, that better? :) |
| 01:30.52 | asg | bzik: though the best check is to see what version of libc6 you are running |
| 01:30.53 | bzik | asg, thx. 3.0:/ |
| 01:30.53 | thoreauputic | Mardus: the asshole count is low today, that's all ;) |
| 01:30.53 | Mardus | thomas_adam: I don't need your sh (dren meant). |
| 01:30.53 | dondelelcaro | !where are you |
| 01:30.53 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 01:30.55 | asg | !dondelelcaro++ |
| 01:31.25 | resiak | dpkg, how did you move so fast? |
| 01:31.26 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, resiak |
| 01:31.35 | bzik | asg, don't have libc6 running |