| 00:02.52 | dondelelcaro | soyuz: I'm a grad student at UC Riverside in the cmdb program... |
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| 00:03.27 | sussudio | soyuz: what do you do all day except reload bash.org in your browser and watch cartoon network? |
| 00:03.31 | soyuz | figgers. a stoodnt |
| 00:04.01 | Nosf3ratu | when attempting to perform a netinstall, debian cannot find an iso on my usb stick or anywhere else on the machine...what do i do? |
| 00:04.12 | soyuz | sussudio: molest clients. answer stoopit questions. the usual. similar to this channel |
| 00:04.15 | jsturgis | i have the module i82365 loaded automatically on boot. how do i stop it? |
| 00:04.35 | johill | jsturgis: modconf |
| 00:04.52 | jsturgis | johill: modconf locks up when removing i82365 |
| 00:05.04 | johill | then remove it from /etc/modules |
| 00:05.12 | soyuz | sussudio: don't get CARTOON NETWORK here. Wish I did. Wish I got UPN here -- ENTERPRISE season premiere tomorrow! |
| 00:05.20 | johill | (and reboot to get rid of it if you can't unload it for whatever reason) |
| 00:05.20 | soyuz | !quantum |
| 00:05.20 | dpkg | from memory, quantum is for Captain QUANTUM of the STARSHIP ENTERPRISE... aka Scott "I'm also a singer" Bakula |
| 00:06.00 | croepha__ | 2 |
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| 00:06.15 | jsturgis | johill: its no listed in /etc/modules |
| 00:06.28 | sussudio | the enterprise... it sucks. |
| 00:06.32 | johill | jsturgis: uhh |
| 00:06.49 | sussudio | needs more cowbell. |
| 00:06.50 | johill | hm, dunno what else could be loading it, any devices used? |
| 00:06.52 | soyuz | sussudio: oh, that cuts me to the quick. You have killed me, sussudio |
| 00:07.00 | mathieu | after apt-get'ing some fonts, what are the minimal steps to be able to use them? |
| 00:07.04 | johill | I don't even know what i82365 is, so.. |
| 00:07.08 | jsturgis | johill: what about /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep? |
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| 00:07.13 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: I checked, but it doesn't look like quite what I'm after. I need to do a pxe boot with a mobo that won't |
| 00:07.25 | johill | jsturgis: no, it just saves there the dependencies |
| 00:08.11 | johill | if you really totally want to get rid of it then move the i82365.ko file from /lib/modules/2.6.8/<something>/ to /root |
| 00:08.12 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: oh, you mean do a netboot with something that doesn't support PXE? |
| 00:08.24 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: shouldn't a simple etherboot boot disk do that? |
| 00:08.29 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: yeah. There used to be a free disk to do that |
| 00:08.32 | spart | whats a good "services conf" console app? for maintaining initscripts? |
| 00:08.34 | johill | then reboot and see what fails (because it can't load the module). then you know why it was getting loaded |
| 00:08.39 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: but etherboot isn't pxe compatable, right? |
| 00:08.40 | spart | ... something like ntsysv |
| 00:09.15 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: dunno. One would expect PXE to support DHCP|BOOTP+tftp+nfs or similar booting. |
| 00:09.17 | johill | exobyte: the latest etherboot is /somewhat/ pxe compatible |
| 00:09.41 | johill | it can (for a long time now) be booted via PXE, and the latest unstable version adds the ability to boot PXE images |
| 00:09.59 | sussudio | soyuz: http://www.firsttvdrama.com/ |
| 00:10.02 | johill | (it didn't work for me, unfortunately, so I ended up hacking low-level HP-UX stuff instead) |
| 00:10.13 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: probobly. I think there's a way to boot from pxe into etherboot, I think |
| 00:10.35 | Nosf3ratu | if someone can help me with this netinstall, i'd really appreciate it. |
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| 00:10.42 | Roupert | Hi, sorry, I'd like to know if is there someone who installed kolab 2 succesfully on a Debian 3. Thanks a lot |
| 00:10.48 | rkt | thanks your for support dudes |
| 00:10.50 | Nosf3ratu | specifically, how can i make the installer see the iso on the pen drive? |
| 00:10.53 | exobyte | johill: would that include the bootomatic? How close is it? |
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| 00:11.03 | Nosf3ratu | or cp the iso to the windows partition and make it see it there? |
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| 00:11.16 | paxetil | it's normal that alsamixer doesn't save settings ? |
| 00:11.19 | johill | exobyte: bootomatic? I thought that was called rom-o-matic, or is that something else? |
| 00:11.39 | exobyte | johill: you're probobly right. I just knew it eneded in o-matic |
| 00:11.43 | daaku | quick question, i've archived my maildirs as tar.bz2's, anyone know of a tool to grep through those? |
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| 00:12.05 | johill | exobyte: I don't remember, last time I checked the PXE stuff was sort of half there (in the unstable/development version on rom-o-matic) |
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| 00:12.19 | johill | its being discussed on the mailing list, some patches floating around for better compliance |
| 00:12.43 | nksen | anyone knows how to create a mysql connection with openoffice? |
| 00:12.57 | johill | exobyte: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/etherboot-developers |
| 00:13.55 | Roupert | ...infact I have some problems with "--define=..." of single packages |
| 00:17.05 | johill | exobyte: hope that helped, falling asleep now |
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| 00:18.17 | spart | could someone recommend a runlevel editor? (other than ksysv ) |
| 00:19.06 | Jacobo221 | has someone been able to use the remote contreoller with xmms? |
| 00:19.23 | nvz | what is the common file extensons for flac files? I've never used them, but I am making a script that I want to at least put generic support for them in |
| 00:19.23 | sussudio | spart: runlevel editor? like update-rc.d? |
| 00:19.36 | sussudio | nvz: umm. .flac? |
| 00:20.09 | nvz | sussudio: yeah I figure, but I thought people might try truncate it and use weird things like .flc |
| 00:20.14 | trman | can i have several lines ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ pointing to different directories in httpd.conf? |
| 00:20.27 | sussudio | nvz: flc's are graphics files |
| 00:20.29 | faw | trman, yes |
| 00:20.36 | nvz | so far I got regexes for mp3s, oggs, wmvs, and wavs |
| 00:20.37 | trman | thanks faw |
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| 00:20.50 | nvz | I know there are a few more popular audio formats |
| 00:20.59 | faw | trman, you are welcome |
| 00:21.16 | sussudio | nvz: mod xm s3m etc |
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| 00:21.55 | nvz | heh, I'll keep it simple for now, I am putting all the vars at the top, user can add in regexs next to the ones I include |
| 00:22.13 | sussudio | bdgr, mshrm, snk |
| 00:22.17 | nvz | heh |
| 00:22.23 | spart | sussudio: yep, that should work thx |
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| 00:22.43 | directhex | nvz, AAC, for itunesy audio |
| 00:23.28 | dondelelcaro | AIFF |
| 00:23.32 | nvz | I've been using this generic update script that only handled oggs and mp3s and moved them from my incomming/shared to my actual music library. it was counting *2 and wasnt filtering anything.. so I started actually hacking the script I originally wanted. |
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| 00:24.48 | sussudio | nvz: mpc, mid..... |
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| 00:24.56 | nvz | I fixed the count, added clean support for more filetypes, and I am going to add in things to enforce consistancy of good files with a naming scheme and normalized volume. should be an all-purpose script for organizing seperatly generated types of audio into a hierachial library |
| 00:25.30 | SuperLag | do you need the driver{1-4}.bin disks to do a woody install or are the root.bin and rescue.bin floppy images enough? |
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| 00:26.59 | nvz | so far it just moves and counts based on regexs, outputs the result, then querys the music library and tells the Total tracks, artists, and filesystem usage. |
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| 00:31.22 | nvz | I see lots of utils that all help build a quality music archive in debian. This script should allow them all to be used together from one interface when its complete |
| 00:32.18 | Moc | Damn I love distro that put the kernel config file in /boot ;) |
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| 00:38.10 | theturtle | I know this isn't directly related to debian, but somewhat related to linux, any input would be appreciated. I'm looking to run linux as a virtual os, as a service. Anyone know of a slim approach that could be run as a service? |
| 00:38.28 | theturtle | as a service on windows xp |
| 00:38.58 | sussudio | in soviet russia, service runs you. |
| 00:38.59 | Gumby | hello all. Can anyone tell me how I can change themes in gdm. I dont use gnome, but I do use gdm. Ive installed the debian package gdm-themes but in the "Theme" option provided in gdm it only shows "default" |
| 00:39.00 | Nosf3ratu | i was able to get my netinstall started, but it cannot detect my network card (using the linux26 install) ... i have to get the specific module(s) right? |
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| 00:41.56 | pixelmonkey | if I am writing a shell script and I need to use single quotes (as for sed) within quotes (as for setting a variable), and the whole thing has to be quoted somehow for an alias, how do I escape that? |
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| 00:42.11 | pixelmonkey | in particular, I'm trying to do this: alias cd 'cd \!*; set prompt="`pwd | sed 's/\/.*\///g'` % "' |
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| 00:42.41 | pixelmonkey | which sets my prompt to the current directory, minus all its parents... but the quote at the end of the sed pattern isn't properly escaped |
| 00:42.52 | pixelmonkey | adding a \' doesn't seem to work... is there some other trick? |
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| 00:47.05 | klys | ~nerk |
| 00:47.06 | apt | nerk! |
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| 00:47.23 | stew | pixelmonkey: what shell do you use? |
| 00:47.42 | stew | pixelmonkey: there are easier ways to do what you are doing |
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| 00:50.21 | sussudio | !bugger klys |
| 00:50.22 | tcsetattr | he's using csh. there are 3 clues: 1. no = in the alias command. 2. have to backslash '!' even inside quotes to prevent history expansion. 3. the use of "%" as a prompt character |
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| 00:51.16 | AndreaKBG | why use csh? |
| 00:51.22 | AndreaKBG | bash is powerfull |
| 00:51.27 | tcsetattr | if it's tcsh, he should be reading the man page for prompt expansion. If it's plain csh, he needs to get the Delorean up to 88 mph |
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| 00:54.11 | aFlag | hi, my computer is not actually turning off when i do shutdown -h now, i have to press the power button on the pc, does anyone know what option is the one i have to have builtin on the kernel in order to the shutdown to work properly? |
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| 00:55.13 | SpeS | hi, anyone with rrd+cacti? I can set it up, but asks me for user/login for "cacti user", and can't get in |
| 00:55.16 | SpeS | how can I set them? |
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| 00:56.44 | vipe | any one who noticed that alsactl is removed or no longer installed in rc alsa-utils 1.0.6-3 |
| 00:56.54 | vipe | (sid) |
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| 00:58.05 | sussudio | !tell vipe about bts |
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| 00:58.50 | vipe | sussudio: I already did, no bugs found (I'm creating one) |
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| 00:59.17 | Jacobo221 | is there any command-line app to lower and higher the speakers volume? |
| 00:59.40 | tcsetattr | setmixer |
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| 01:00.05 | zignig | Jacobo221: aumix is a good one. |
| 01:00.05 | tcsetattr | there was an old utility called "mixer"... part of the sndkit package... don't know what ever happened to that |
| 01:00.08 | Jacobo221 | tcsetattr: thanx :) |
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| 01:00.28 | Jacobo221 | zignig: will check that one too. thans again |
| 01:02.13 | xinming | anyone here can tell me how to enable "Last failure logon times" in bash? I mean It works before.But don't know why,It doesn't work now. |
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| 01:02.42 | huhcool | anyone know how to get a Canon i450 printer to work in debian (sarge) ? I can't find the i450 (or any i series printer for that matter) listed on linuxprinting.org |
| 01:03.08 | necco | hello everybody.. :) |
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| 01:03.29 | xinming | hi,nicco |
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| 01:03.47 | debdevil | hello...finally came to my senses and came back to debian today :) |
| 01:03.48 | necco | well.. it takes an "e" but nevermind.. ;) |
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| 01:04.13 | Nurbs | what is /srv meant for? |
| 01:04.40 | Jacobo221 | tcsetattr: does setmixer work at all??? |
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| 01:05.16 | dags | is it ok to stay in x while apt upgrading stuff like x-window-system-core? |
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| 01:05.45 | stew | Nurbs: webserver content for one |
| 01:05.45 | debdevil | but I need a little help with a few things...hope you guys can help out 1st thing is, I'm running debian sarge but I downloaed the image about a month ago so I want to udate to latest...but will runining apt-get dist upgrade do this (I don't want to go to stable) |
| 01:07.18 | Nurbs | stew: so, what is /var/www for then? |
| 01:07.22 | tcsetattr | setmixer seems to work, as far as I can tell... I don't have any speakers plugged in right now but when I change the voulme with setmixer, it is reflected in aumix |
| 01:07.22 | stew | Nurbs: /var/www should be moved to /srv/www according to fhs2.3 (which is new) |
| 01:07.22 | stew | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#SRVDATAFORSERVICESPROVIDEDBYSYSTEM |
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| 01:07.33 | Nurbs | stew: interesting. |
| 01:07.39 | Nurbs | just saw it when I install sarge pre-rc2 |
| 01:07.58 | Jacobo221 | tcsetattr: you on sarge? |
| 01:08.28 | debdevil | and will running apt-get dist-upgrade give me gnome 2.8? |
| 01:08.55 | Nurbs | debdevil: no |
| 01:08.57 | SpeS | hi, anyone with rrd+cacti? I can set it up, but asks me for user/login for "cacti user", and can't get in |
| 01:08.58 | SpeS | how can I set them? |
| 01:09.13 | tcsetattr | no, stable |
| 01:09.23 | Nurbs | debdevil: 2.8 is only in experimental |
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| 01:09.33 | debdevil | Nurbs: oh...ok...so not quite yet |
| 01:09.43 | Nurbs | debdevil: it will never be in sarge |
| 01:09.53 | stew | debdevil: /topic |
| 01:10.29 | debdevil | what does that mean? |
| 01:10.39 | Nurbs | debdevil: check the topic |
| 01:10.58 | stew | !topicsmite debdevil |
| 01:10.59 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon debdevil. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 01:11.11 | Jacobo221 | tcsetattr: ok, found it working now :) thanx! |
| 01:11.22 | debdevil | ok...I read the topic, um, ok |
| 01:11.31 | debdevil | and? |
| 01:11.43 | Nurbs | debdevil: well, read on. |
| 01:11.49 | Nurbs | debdevil: /msg dpkg gnome2.8 |
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| 01:12.08 | debdevil | Nurbs: I gotcha...thanks |
| 01:12.11 | Nurbs | debdevil: X) |
| 01:12.17 | debdevil | lol |
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| 01:12.35 | debdevil | so basically it is saying gome 2.8 will be in when sarge becomes stable |
| 01:13.00 | Nurbs | yeah. |
| 01:13.13 | Nurbs | or you use experimental |
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| 01:13.26 | debdevil | I didn't realize until I just installed again that deb is still using xfree, is there plans to go to xorg? |
| 01:13.47 | Nurbs | heh |
| 01:13.51 | Nurbs | debdevil: /topic |
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| 01:13.58 | stew | debdevil: yeah well they said that about gnome 2.6 back in june as well... so who knows |
| 01:13.59 | debdevil | oh..ok..:) |
| 01:14.11 | debdevil | ok...I see |
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| 01:15.03 | debdevil | I just did apt-get remove kdebase..and it uninstalled a bunch of stuff..but when I apt-get dist-upgrade I see a bunch of kde stuff getting updated..is there aways to get rid of all kde bs? |
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| 01:15.28 | debdevil | well...a simple way that is? |
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| 01:16.52 | Tchiak | how can i see what my onboard video and bus's are? |
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| 01:17.13 | debdevil | well..I think I see what I have to do |
| 01:17.20 | debdevil | I appreciate the help guys |
| 01:17.21 | Nurbs | debdevil: you might want to look into aptitude, debfoster and deborphan |
| 01:17.41 | b0ef | I've logged in with ssh to a computer. I'm able to use my norwegian special characters in the terminal, but once I start screen I just see rubble. I am able to use screen properly when sitting on the actual host. Somehow I can't use these characters in screen when it's reattached over a ssh connection |
| 01:17.48 | debdevil | just glad to be back home (debian) :) |
| 01:18.25 | dondelelcaro | b0ef: it's most likely either your LANG or your TERM settings that are screwing things up |
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| 01:20.09 | b0ef | my LANG is not changed when I enter screen; it stays at no_NO.UTF-8 |
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| 01:20.25 | b0ef | what TERM settings could I look at? |
| 01:20.35 | dondelelcaro | b0ef: well, TERM is set to screen when you run screen. |
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| 01:20.57 | dondelelcaro | b0ef: if for whatever reason it thinks that it can't display UTF-8, that might be causing issues. |
| 01:21.25 | b0ef | yes, $TERM is set to screen;) |
| 01:21.46 | b0ef | but I can use it properly on the other box |
| 01:21.56 | dondelelcaro | b0ef: are these both Debian boxen? |
| 01:22.00 | b0ef | but not over ssl |
| 01:22.07 | b0ef | no, I don't use distros |
| 01:22.25 | b0ef | I just always find help here when I'm stuck;) |
| 01:22.29 | dondelelcaro | b0ef: uh, well, odds are your term settings are screwed for one or both. |
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| 01:22.53 | dondelelcaro | b0ef: they're non-trivial things to get right, and not knowing exactly what you have them set to kind of makes it difficult. |
| 01:22.54 | vinay | is an old p70 ok for a -686 kernel? |
| 01:23.19 | dondelelcaro | vinay: uh, it's probably a 586, not a 686. |
| 01:23.21 | b0ef | yes, but where should I look for these settings you talk about? |
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| 01:23.27 | dondelelcaro | b0ef: in termcap. |
| 01:23.32 | notr | turk yokmu ya |
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| 01:23.41 | vinay | dondelelcaro: thats what i thought too... guess i'm stuck to -386 kwenwl vuilsa rhwn |
| 01:23.48 | notr | squid konusunda yardım edebilecek biri varmı beyler |
| 01:24.39 | dondelelcaro | !turkish |
| 01:24.39 | dpkg | methinks turkish is #turklug, or #debian.tr, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 01:24.44 | b0ef | dondelelcaro: you think termcap have anything to do with this?. I mean, it works right until I start screen |
| 01:24.53 | pixelmonkey | stew: sorry, was away, it's csh on a remote system, normally I use bash but google said this was the way to do it for csh |
| 01:25.03 | dondelelcaro | b0ef: screen uses a totally different TERMCAP than xterm or ssh does. |
| 01:25.09 | notr | ok |
| 01:25.22 | b0ef | dondelelcaro: mk, I'll dig some more;) |
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| 01:31.43 | Agrajag- | hey all, my adsl modem has a dhcp server which i get my address via dhclient from. my syslog is filling up with heaps of dhcp requests/nak's. it says it's bound to an address, with "renewal in 30 seconds" |
| 01:31.45 | Agrajag- | is this normal? |
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| 01:32.15 | Guerin | mine renews every 1800 seconds apparently |
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| 01:32.47 | Guerin | i don't know what a sane range might be, but 30 seconds is definitely too short |
| 01:32.48 | Agrajag- | hmm 30 seconds seems a bit much, especially as it's filling up my syslog heaps |
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| 01:34.21 | nvz | its all round an shiny, whut is it.. 'well thats a dvd paw." |
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| 01:40.41 | thomas_adam | Silly question time. What does the "rev (08)" part in an lspci output signify? "Revision" of some sort? |
| 01:41.47 | Guerin | Once again, the devout Dr Adamdelves into the deeper ysteries of software-haardware interaction. What will he uncover this time? |
| 01:42.04 | droopy | initech hi are you there...last day of my gig today till other jobs!! |
| 01:42.06 | Guerin | that might have been less stupid without the typos |
| 01:42.15 | Xenguy | Is there a way to 'reload' the configuration options of a .muttrc file without stopping and re-invoking mutt? |
| 01:42.21 | Gumby | can anyone tell me how I can tell what version of a package I have installed |
| 01:42.34 | Xenguy | Gumby: dpkg -l foo* |
| 01:42.40 | Xenguy | is one way |
| 01:42.44 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Doubt it. |
| 01:42.57 | Guerin | Gumby: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l foo or apt-cache policy packagename |
| 01:43.00 | Guerin | thomas_adam: me too |
| 01:43.13 | initech | droopy: you're getting laid off already? |
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| 01:43.50 | Gumby | thx a bunch |
| 01:43.53 | sebix | hi, if I want to set up a dual boot, debian + Win, which partition should come first |
| 01:43.55 | droopy | initech no it was temp work and our boss wants us to come back we did so good. |
| 01:44.07 | Guerin | sebix: install windows first, then debian over the top |
| 01:44.28 | Guerin | sebix: debian gives you the option of booting multiple OSs; windows doesn't |
| 01:44.59 | sussudio | Guerin: you can make winNT boot multiple OSes |
| 01:45.02 | initech | Guerin: well it sort of does, with some hoopla involving dd and boot.ini |
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| 01:45.19 | Guerin | you CAN do it, but it doesn't give you the option at install time |
| 01:45.27 | initech | Guerin: but there's no point in using he windows bootloader, it sucks |
| 01:45.45 | droopy | initech XP pro has bull loader |
| 01:45.56 | sebix | Guerin: thanks. I am used to dual boot on ppc, where Debian must come first in the partition table... |
| 01:46.15 | dondelelcaro | sebix: nah, Debian can be later. |
| 01:46.16 | Guerin | sebix: ah, position on partition tables is irrelevant on x86 |
| 01:46.25 | dondelelcaro | sebix: totally doesn't matter on ppc |
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| 01:47.53 | droopy | sebix and the order doesn't matter its just easy for Win then Debian. Or boot to rescue edit lilo.conf chroot lilo |
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| 01:49.12 | WiFiTux | What does Sarge base Installer is frozeen mean? |
| 01:49.16 | sebix | dondelelcaro: strange... I was pretty sure about that. Anyway, thanks for the info |
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| 01:49.18 | initech | put windows in a vmware jail where it belongs - don't soil your disk with block level windows |
| 01:49.25 | Guerin | WiFiTux: it's not changing |
| 01:49.41 | WiFiTux | Guerin, and? is it going to be released? |
| 01:49.44 | droopy | initech bock level? |
| 01:49.48 | dondelelcaro | sebix: np. |
| 01:49.51 | Guerin | WiFiTux: sure. With sarge. |
| 01:49.56 | initech | droopy: just being silly |
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| 01:50.07 | Pyro_San | hello |
| 01:50.08 | WiFiTux | Guerin, does that mean Sarge is ouot? |
| 01:50.14 | Guerin | WiFiTux: no. |
| 01:50.29 | Guerin | WiFiTux: but tings go into freeze before they're released. |
| 01:50.32 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I don't get it.. |
| 01:50.37 | WiFiTux | ahok |
| 01:50.37 | initech | droopy: block level meaning it's directly contacting the disk as opposed to exising as a file on a linux filesystem |
| 01:50.44 | WiFiTux | for about a month or so? |
| 01:50.56 | Guerin | WiFiTux: development -> testing -> freeze -> release |
| 01:50.59 | Pyro_San | I'm a newbe to debian how would I update my system |
| 01:51.01 | WiFiTux | Guerin, It means the problems are fixed now, ot at least for now? |
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| 01:51.09 | droopy | initech AHH...ok |
| 01:51.14 | Guerin | WiFiTux: sarge is between 2 and 3 now, the installer is at 3 |
| 01:51.31 | sebix | dondelelcaro: I know where the confusion comes from : http://people.debian.org/~branden/ibook.html |
| 01:51.34 | Guerin | WiFiTux: i hope so, since they're preparing to release it |
| 01:51.40 | sebix | dondelelcaro: should we comment it to the author ? |
| 01:51.52 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ok, cool. So the major Security problem was "fixed" and now are looking to make sure.. |
| 01:51.56 | nyeri_poolenta | hey anybody knows if the option "check for non fatal errors" in the cpu section of configuration for the 2.6.8.1 kernel slows down the kernel? |
| 01:52.08 | Guerin | WiFiTux: I guess so. I didn't know of one. |
| 01:52.14 | WiFiTux | Guerin, cool, thanks buddy. I just want gnome2.8 :) So I'm waiting |
| 01:52.39 | WiFiTux | Guerin, well, abrotman told me about that, So, I must have been fooled :/ |
| 01:52.58 | initech | nyeri_poolenta: i'm using it, doesn't seem to be causing any slowness ... |
| 01:53.10 | Guerin | WiFiTux: oh, he's undoubtedly right, I just didn't know of it. |
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| 01:53.16 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I heard of people who actually did it... With Sid. |
| 01:53.31 | nyeri_poolenta | initech: i ask since it says it checks every 5 seconds to see if something weird has happened with the registers |
| 01:53.32 | Guerin | WiFiTux: not up for thast kind of packaging chicanery? |
| 01:53.38 | nyeri_poolenta | i imagine that must take up some cpu cycles |
| 01:53.58 | droopy | can you have diskd poll a cdrom? |
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| 01:54.03 | Moc | is a .deb file just a tar/gz or a tar/bzip file ? |
| 01:54.10 | WiFiTux | Guerin, yeah, some people installed it with some gnomejournal.org tutorial... |
| 01:54.18 | Guerin | Moc: it's an ar file containing two tar.gz files |
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| 01:54.41 | nichos | anyone know what the ascii is for SPACE? |
| 01:54.49 | Moc | ha ok cool.. I want the config file of a kernel 2.4.27 ehe |
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| 01:55.04 | xinming | anyone here can tell me which package can do the thing which can tell you "last failure login times" in debian? I mean the thing like the system newly installed. |
| 01:55.31 | Xenguy | Mutt question solved -> set mime_forward=ask-yes |
| 01:55.31 | droopy | nichos no but if you figure that out I would love to know ctrl-c |
| 01:55.31 | xinming | I don't know why It doesn't work here. |
| 01:56.05 | nichos | droopy ? |
| 01:56.26 | droopy | nichos ctrl-c in asci |
| 01:56.43 | initech | xinming: "last"? |
| 01:56.48 | WiFiTux | Guerin, http://gnomejournal.org/gnome_debian.php |
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| 01:57.11 | xinming | initech: No,I mean after you type login anme and passwd. |
| 01:57.15 | nichos | droopy is there an ascii for anything but a number? |
| 01:57.34 | xinming | initech: And If there is any failure login record,It will tells you. |
| 01:57.56 | xinming | initech: It doesn't work now.Just show you the last place you login without failure times. |
| 01:58.12 | droopy | nichos I thought they all where number combinations well 010101 |
| 01:58.55 | Guerin | WiFiTux: that looks absolutely trivial to do. |
| 02:00.02 | nvz | bah, totem is telling me I can view this dvd its encryped or something and I may need libdvdcss, I see no package with that name?! |
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| 02:00.25 | Guerin | nvz: marillat has it |
| 02:00.33 | nvz | Guerin: ok, ty |
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| 02:00.39 | Guerin | it's patent encumbered, so it's not in debian |
| 02:00.50 | belracu | which is the best torrenet client for linux |
| 02:00.54 | droopy | nvz /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install or something installs deb |
| 02:01.01 | Guerin | or otherwise legally dodgy, it might not actually be patents |
| 02:01.01 | xinming | initech: Did I describe the problem understandable? |
| 02:01.08 | Guerin | belracu: bittornado |
| 02:01.27 | xinming | belracu: bittorrent |
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| 02:01.48 | WiFiTux | Guerin, not doable you mean, or something you would like to do? |
| 02:01.58 | belracu | Guerin, grins this is for my old grandfatehr i think some GUI will be good for him |
| 02:02.00 | initech | xinming: and you tried putting in the wrong password to test this? |
| 02:02.06 | nvz | droopy: sorry, but you arent making any sense to me |
| 02:02.10 | Guerin | WiFiTux: easy to do. I'd do it if I cared about gnome. |
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| 02:02.35 | Guerin | belracu: azureus, if you have java and a ton of ram. |
| 02:02.43 | droopy | nvz that is a install script for reading encrypted dvd's. |
| 02:02.45 | WiFiTux | Guerin, Well, i suck at it, so I don't have the gutts to do it. |
| 02:03.13 | belracu | humm time for a GTK proj ... for torrnets |
| 02:03.49 | exobyte | for some odd reason, when I install tftpd-hpa, there is no tftp binary |
| 02:04.06 | Guerin | belracu: abc is another, but it's pretty shit. Or it was when I last used it, about 6 months ago. |
| 02:04.23 | nvz | normally you form deb http://my.boxs.ip/apt-cacher/my.source.uri/, but if its an ftp and you put ftp:// it wont connect to apt-cache on port 80 I wouldnt think, but if you put http:// and its an ftp uri, wouldnt work either I would thing. |
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| 02:05.05 | droopy | sussudio :)~ |
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| 02:05.11 | karjala | When |
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| 02:05.16 | karjala | When's debian sarge coming out? |
| 02:05.17 | Guerin | karjala: now |
| 02:05.22 | Guerin | !sarge guess |
| 02:05.22 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 2 days, or see <guess>. |
| 02:05.22 | karjala | Guerin: When? |
| 02:05.27 | sussudio | karjala: badgers |
| 02:05.37 | karjala | !sarge guess |
| 02:05.37 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 4 months, or see <guess>. |
| 02:05.38 | Inept | which reprository would you suggest for x86-64 ? |
| 02:05.39 | nvz | I child proofed my IRC connection, but sussudio keeps getting through somehow ;) |
| 02:05.44 | karjala | he he |
| 02:06.02 | droopy | LOL |
| 02:06.06 | Guerin | !sarge stable |
| 02:06.06 | dpkg | Sarge will be stable when it's ready. There is still no final date, but there is^H^Hwas a tentative release date of 2004/09/15. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/08/msg00001.html, or http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1143, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/09/msg00005.html |
| 02:06.11 | initech | karjala: watch the number of rc bugs in sarge, and you'll get some idea of when it's coming out |
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| 02:06.42 | xcy | rc-bugs increased a bit in this week |
| 02:07.03 | nvz | the bugs have gone up every week |
| 02:07.07 | xcy | aprox 200 |
| 02:07.35 | droopy | apt-listbugs deb is cool |
| 02:07.36 | initech | i would hope that a release will follow a long term trend downward :) |
| 02:07.40 | nvz | you'd think all the people just started testing debian sarge last month or something |
| 02:07.42 | sussudio | much like in soviet russia, where the bugs go up you |
| 02:08.07 | Guerin | watching short-term bug moevements isn't going to give you any real indication of when it'll release |
| 02:08.15 | nvz | sussudio: or like in the Republic of Texas, where the bugs are as big as you |
| 02:08.17 | initech | Guerin: long term |
| 02:08.27 | sussudio | nvz: bugs like dubya? |
| 02:08.43 | Guerin | initech: yeah, I agree. |
| 02:08.49 | nvz | sussudio: yeah him and his familia of cocka rocha |
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| 02:11.52 | xinming | initech: Yeap,I tried that.Sorry,I was in Wc just now. :-$ |
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| 02:12.39 | xinming | initech: use the wrong password or try to make it time out. they are all the same. |
| 02:13.11 | nvz | yeehaw, paw, crashed X with it that time |
| 02:13.31 | initech | xinming: should be in login.defs, but the command "faillog" tell you the same thing |
| 02:13.40 | initech | err, /etc/login.defs |
| 02:13.55 | Nosf3ratu | when the debian installation manual makes talk of "additional modules required for installation" where can i find these modules? |
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| 02:14.10 | Nosf3ratu | e.g. i think i need a special module for my network card that's not on the small net/usb boot iso |
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| 02:15.31 | xinming | initech: which line should I change? |
| 02:15.39 | xinming | It seems all are ok. :-S |
| 02:15.58 | xinming | FAILLOG_ENAB yes |
| 02:16.04 | initrode | initech is going down baby |
| 02:16.45 | initech | initrode: get off my turf and get back to work, mmkay? |
| 02:16.47 | Nurbs_ | what could make an ssh session hang after logout? the server shows two sshd processes "sshd: tom@notty" and "sshd: tom [priv]" running still, too, but the shell already quit |
| 02:17.12 | initech | initrode: it's not a half day, you know! |
| 02:17.34 | Jacobo221 | hey, xcdroast doesn't detect my CD-R drive as an SCSI allthough I have ide-scsi built-in kernel (version 2.4.26)... any help? |
| 02:18.31 | nyeri_poolenta | can i use the "cpu frequency scaling" option in my kernel to overclock my cpu? |
| 02:18.38 | xcy | Jacobo221, did you added hdX=ide-scsi to the kernel boot command? |
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| 02:19.32 | guestish | nyeri_poolenta: dont think so |
| 02:19.35 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 02:19.35 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 02:19.40 | guestish | nyeri_poolenta: its for scaling it back in order to save power |
| 02:19.44 | Guerin | but no, that's not what it's for |
| 02:19.53 | xinming | initech: Sorry,I 've tried to add a line into the .bashrc or .profile.they all dont work. |
| 02:19.56 | Guerin | overclocking is a whole different topic |
| 02:19.57 | guestish | Guerin: uh...heh |
| 02:20.12 | telme | does sa-exim have a spamassassin dependancy? |
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| 02:20.17 | Jacobo221 | xcy: yep, I did |
| 02:20.26 | Guerin | telme: you telme |
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| 02:20.49 | xcy | Jacobo221, and "cdrecord --scan-bus" shows it? |
| 02:20.50 | telme | ooh, and what are you guerin? |
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| 02:21.24 | Guerin | telme: I'm someone who knows how to search package data on packages.debian.org or with apt-cache show |
| 02:21.27 | guestish | xcy: cdrecord -scanbus |
| 02:21.38 | xcy | jep, sorry |
| 02:21.49 | xcy | my fault |
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| 02:21.58 | guestish | telme: apt-cache and apt-rdepends are very useful |
| 02:22.03 | xcy | Jacobo221, cdrecord -scanbus |
| 02:22.17 | telme | Guerin: okay, you didn't get my little attempt at humor:( |
| 02:22.23 | initech | telme: apt-cache depends sa-exim |
| 02:22.32 | Guerin | telme: yeah, I did, I just didn't think it was funny :P |
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| 02:23.19 | Jacobo221 | xcy: cdrecord -scanbus shows nothing, i don't know why :-/ |
| 02:23.26 | guestish | Jacobo221: do you have a scsi cdrom drive? |
| 02:23.27 | telme | guestish, Guerin, initech: let me rephrase my question, when i apt-get sa-exim it does not pull spamassassin with it. But I though you need spamassassin for sa-exim to work. Just wondering if anybody knew... |
| 02:23.40 | guestish | telme: not a clue |
| 02:24.13 | Guerin | telme: spamassassin can work over a network. So it needn't be installed locally to work. |
| 02:24.16 | Nurbs_ | telme: spa can run on another host |
| 02:24.17 | Inept | i've just upgraded to Opteron system. Is there an easy way to transform installed Debian for i386 into Debian for ia64 ? |
| 02:24.22 | Nurbs_ | -p |
| 02:24.31 | Jacobo221 | guestish: no, IDE, but with scsi-ide builtin kernel |
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| 02:25.15 | guestish | Jacobo221: any particular reason for doing that? |
| 02:25.28 | Jacobo221 | guestish: for doing what'? |
| 02:25.32 | guestish | Jacobo221: using ide-scsi |
| 02:25.57 | xcy | because he is in 2.4 |
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| 02:26.05 | guestish | Jacobo221: are you using 2.4? |
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| 02:26.30 | xcy | yes, he said before |
| 02:26.44 | Jacobo221 | guestish: ye, 2.4.26 |
| 02:26.45 | guestish | he can type you know =P |
| 02:26.57 | telme | Guerin, Nurbs_: great thanks for the help. So basically if want spamd to execute at runtime on a local exim install, then yes, I will need spamassassin...? |
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| 02:27.01 | xcy | and can you read? |
| 02:27.02 | guestish | Jacobo221: mmk, so your cdrom is /dev/sdc? |
| 02:27.10 | Guerin | telme: yeah. |
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| 02:27.17 | guestish | xcy: only the number of lines in my buffer |
| 02:27.23 | xcy | lol |
| 02:27.28 | Jacobo221 | xcy, guestish : wait, i think i suspect what it can be. need to reboot. thanx for your help, i'll be back in 5 minutes |
| 02:27.28 | guestish | ;) |
| 02:27.32 | guestish | heh, k |
| 02:27.37 | xcy | Guerin, /dev/scdX |
| 02:27.37 | Jacobo221 | guestish: no, /dev/sda |
| 02:27.46 | guestish | Jacobo221: k |
| 02:27.54 | lfs__ | Using rsync I want to be user on the local machine and root on the remote machine, Anyone know how to do that? |
| 02:28.00 | xcy | i hate nick autocompletion |
| 02:28.13 | Jacobo221 | xcy: heh |
| 02:28.16 | guestish | lol |
| 02:28.30 | guestish | it happens quite frequenly believe it or not :) |
| 02:28.36 | guestish | 13 |
| 02:28.38 | guestish | do'h |
| 02:28.43 | Guerin | lfs__: login via ssh to your remote machine |
| 02:28.45 | Guerin | as root |
| 02:28.49 | guestish | changing tv channels gets harder and harder :) |
| 02:29.03 | xcy | ide-scsi drives are /dev/scdX |
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| 02:29.21 | lfs__ | But then what is the rsync command? |
| 02:29.31 | guestish | xcy: i got rid of that ide-scsi crap a while ago |
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| 02:29.39 | xcy | me too |
| 02:29.42 | guestish | xcy: i wont let it touch my machine again +P |
| 02:29.52 | guestish | =P |
| 02:29.54 | xcy | but hey, something is wrong here |
| 02:29.56 | kunphuzil | I'm looking at a download directory for debian, the iso's listed are binary-1 binary-2 etc., do i need all of these? |
| 02:29.57 | Guerin | rsync root@foo.org:/bar /baz |
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| 02:30.11 | lfs__ | ok thanks |
| 02:30.45 | Guerin | kunphuzil: most people only need 1-3, you might even just need 1 |
| 02:31.08 | Guerin | kunphuzil: if you want to do a network install, don't get the cds, just use a netinstaller |
| 02:32.06 | xcy | and use mirrors |
| 02:32.17 | Guerin | and smoke |
| 02:32.22 | xcy | lol |
| 02:32.40 | xcy | oh, and vote kerry if in USA |
| 02:32.45 | fuhz | it's possible that the tty print's slow? |
| 02:32.50 | lfs__ | Thanks Guerin. It works like a charm |
| 02:33.00 | Guerin | it sure does |
| 02:33.02 | fuhz | with ncurses |
| 02:33.11 | initech | fuhz: to the screen? |
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| 02:35.09 | initech | xcy: heh http://www.it.kpt.cc/scratch/gopconstrm.mov <- very funny |
| 02:35.17 | guestish | oy, democrats |
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| 02:35.31 | guestish | extremist democrats |
| 02:36.25 | kunphuzil | Does anyone know if I can do a network install using a Linksys WUSB11 USB card? |
| 02:36.55 | Guerin | kunphuzil: google to see what versions, if any, of the linux kernel support it |
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| 02:37.33 | kunphuzil | Guerin: ah, ok. up to this point i've been having to install custom drivers |
| 02:38.02 | Guerin | kunphuzil: non-free 3rd-party drivers? |
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| 02:38.17 | kunphuzil | Guerin: no, free. but just not integrated into the kernel |
| 02:38.31 | Guerin | right |
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| 02:38.34 | kunphuzil | Guerin: atmelwlandrivers.sf.net i think, if you're wondering |
| 02:38.58 | Guerin | well, you can build a kernel and make a netinstall cd, but it might be more hassle than just installing off cd |
| 02:39.26 | kunphuzil | yeah |
| 02:39.40 | kunphuzil | so do the other iso's have applications on them or something? |
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| 02:40.01 | Guerin | yeah, and source |
| 02:40.58 | kunphuzil | Guerin: what all is beyond the first disk? i've successfully used my linksys card before in debian, so after i get a base system installed it shouldn't be too much trouble to download the rest |
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| 02:41.08 | Award | Semi-off-topic CVS usage question: If I want to split off a branch (the current stable release) (5x), and want the main to work ahead to the next release (6x), and I want to have both available to work on, I check out each one (checkout proj, checkout -d proj6 -r proj6 proj), when I commit to proj6, it works as expected, it commits only to the proj6 branch, but when I commit to proj, it gets committed both to the trunk AND to the proj6 branch. How can I get |
| 02:41.09 | Award | it to commit only to the trunk and not previous branches? |
| 02:41.12 | Jacobo221 | xcy, guestish : ok, i discovered the problem... two weeks ago my motherboard burned into flames and I had to buy a new one. looks like I set this new one as secondary-master enstead of primary-slave ;-) so the line in lilo.conf was incorrect |
| 02:41.25 | xcy | lol |
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| 02:41.59 | xcy | damm, those burning motherboards |
| 02:42.00 | Award | (the proj6 should be replaced with proj5...5 is the branch, 6 is what the trunk is working toward) |
| 02:42.11 | Jacobo221 | xcy: hehehe |
| 02:42.50 | Guerin | kunphuzil: the first disc contains the most commonly installed/used apps, the second contains the next most-common, etc. |
| 02:42.59 | guestish | Jacobo221: ah |
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| 02:43.09 | Guerin | to get a basic system up and running in order to buid your own kernel, you'll only need disk 1 |
| 02:44.35 | Guerin | mmm, I love the smell of smoked chicken in the morning |
| 02:44.40 | Guerin | smells like.... barbecue |
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| 02:44.57 | Varanger | hello everyone! |
| 02:44.58 | kunphuzil | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:45.15 | Varanger | has anyone installed synaptics under Debian? |
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| 02:45.31 | Guerin | Varanger: someone has |
| 02:45.40 | Varanger | you have? |
| 02:45.44 | Guerin | nope |
| 02:46.16 | Varanger | do you use something for package management? |
| 02:46.23 | xerophyte | when i backup with tar it kills the server does anybody know what is happening with it ? |
| 02:46.24 | gaasfet | synaptics or synaptic ? |
| 02:46.38 | Varanger | let met see |
| 02:46.40 | Guerin | synaptics = mouse drivers for touchpads. You're referrring to synaptic |
| 02:46.50 | Varanger | Synaptic Package Manager |
| 02:46.51 | Varanger | sorry |
| 02:46.52 | guestish | Varanger: uh, ya, i use apt |
| 02:46.59 | Guerin | I use apt-* and dpkg for package management |
| 02:47.00 | gaasfet | I use it |
| 02:47.01 | guestish | Varanger: apt is the best thing since toast! |
| 02:47.09 | guestish | !hail apt |
| 02:47.15 | guestish | !praise apt |
| 02:47.20 | guestish | !apt |
| 02:47.20 | dpkg | apt is probably the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced frontend for dpkg and rpm (depending on your system). For Debian it's a frontend for dpkg. Apt kicks ass. |
| 02:47.22 | sussudio | !bomb apt |
| 02:47.30 | guestish | !exalt apt |
| 02:47.33 | gaasfet | synaptic is good for browsing and reading package content |
| 02:47.33 | guestish | !worship apt |
| 02:47.48 | soyuz | pedestrians! |
| 02:47.51 | Guerin | !kill guestish |
| 02:47.51 | Varanger | is dpkg a user or a bot ? |
| 02:47.55 | guestish | !lart Guerin |
| 02:48.03 | guestish | Varanger: little of both |
| 02:48.05 | Guerin | this has gone too far |
| 02:48.09 | soyuz | Varanger: sure. a REAL poison |
| 02:48.16 | guestish | Guerin: are you sure? |
| 02:48.18 | Varanger | :( |
| 02:48.21 | tvn | wow , what's with this Rating Limit stuff in Gaim ? |
| 02:48.24 | Varanger | don't try to kill me |
| 02:48.26 | guestish | tvn: dunno |
| 02:48.29 | guestish | !kill Varanger |
| 02:48.29 | Guerin | s/he's a bot which regularly gets possessed by evil spirits likee guestish |
| 02:48.34 | guestish | :) |
| 02:48.39 | guestish | buahhahahahahaha |
| 02:48.41 | Guerin | tvn: ? |
| 02:48.51 | kidongrok | Im hacking at my network/interfaces, trying to use 'mapping eth0:1'. ~# ifup eth0:1 ==> |
| 02:48.54 | guestish | *hack* *hack* *cough* *cough* |
| 02:49.02 | Varanger | !kill guestish |
| 02:49.21 | guestish | Varanger: hey =P |
| 02:49.22 | kidongrok | ==> Device "eth0:1" does not exist. Ignoring unknown interface eth0:1=eth0:1. |
| 02:49.28 | soyuz | geez, that would hurt |
| 02:49.33 | Guerin | kidongrok: have you defined eth0:1 properly? Like you would any other interface? |
| 02:49.41 | Varanger | It's my first time in a Debian room |
| 02:49.48 | guestish | Varanger: welcome |
| 02:50.00 | soyuz | hmmm fresh meat |
| 02:50.03 | Varanger | thanks... |
| 02:50.11 | soyuz | :D |
| 02:50.18 | Varanger | fresh meat in this room, not in Debian or Linux |
| 02:50.19 | kidongrok | Guerin: I have a iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:50.31 | Varanger | 11 months using Debian and 5 five years in Linux |
| 02:50.37 | intrin | what the command to check if a certain proccess is running |
| 02:50.41 | soyuz | Varanger: who cares if your a virgin or not |
| 02:50.47 | Guerin | kidongrok: you need to add another iface eth0:1 stanza |
| 02:50.58 | Varanger | you do! |
| 02:50.59 | soyuz | you're the next contestant! |
| 02:51.03 | Guerin | intrin: ps ax |grep foo |
| 02:51.11 | soyuz | !soyuz |
| 02:51.12 | dpkg | from memory, soyuz is really nothing more than an old black box ACER that won't accept any more than 16meg, but runs debian *really* well... oh, and it was also a Russian spacecraft. Thank you for your interest and proceed to the checkout counter. |
| 02:51.20 | kidongrok | I had an '#iface eth0:1 inet static'. should it have a 4th term or not |
| 02:51.29 | guestish | soyuz: mmm |
| 02:51.35 | soyuz | sorry, I had to do it. |
| 02:51.44 | guestish | !factinfo soyuz |
| 02:51.44 | dpkg | soyuz -- created by soyuz <~soyuz@CM600-vina4-71-21.cm.vtr.net> 6h 36m 14s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by soyuz, 33s ago. |
| 02:51.52 | soyuz | gahhhh! |
| 02:51.54 | Guerin | kidongrok: you ned to define an ip for it, at minimum, and netmask, broadcast, gateway... |
| 02:51.58 | guestish | :) |
| 02:52.20 | Guerin | kidongrok: you need to set up your virtual eth interfaces just as you would a normal interface. Do all the same things. |
| 02:52.45 | Guerin | it's narcissistic to make your own factoids |
| 02:53.04 | guestish | heheh |
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| 02:53.36 | guestish | !mock soyuz |
| 02:53.40 | soyuz | me? narisisssitsissitic? |
| 02:54.39 | FUF | lol |
| 02:54.44 | guestish | whatever works for ya |
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| 02:54.49 | kidongrok | Guerin: hmm - I was trying to use a mapping to turn on a static address to correspond with the dhcp that eth0 picks up - kinda chicken-egg with setting IP etc |
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| 02:55.18 | Guerin | kidongrok: you may well need to script that, then. |
| 02:55.29 | Varanger | has anyone tried Cedega? |
| 02:55.39 | guestish | can someone give me voice in #freenode? i wanna see if i can get an IP cloak |
| 02:55.42 | Guerin | Varanger: yes, some people have tried cedega |
| 02:55.51 | Guerin | guestish: patience |
| 02:55.59 | zforce | hey does anyone know how to shrink a dvd from DVD-9 to DVD-5 ala dvdshrink on under Linux? |
| 02:55.59 | Varanger | what do you think? |
| 02:56.03 | Jacobo221 | is there anybody using submount? I have problems with the floppy, it just reads it continuously and sometimes is quite noisy (and damages the disc, of course) |
| 02:56.06 | guestish | Guerin: heh, im sure |
| 02:56.10 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 02:56.10 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:56.20 | Varanger | I want to kill my win98 and become a serious Linux gamer |
| 02:56.30 | Varanger | but I'd like Debian user opinions! |
| 02:56.38 | sussudio | serious gamer is an oxymoron |
| 02:56.51 | Guerin | Varanger: it's shit. |
| 02:56.58 | initech | Varanger: give up games and learn sh or perl or something :) |
| 02:57.02 | soyuz | Jacobo221: woah, is the floppy ok? I mean physically? |
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| 02:57.26 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: well, it used to be ;) |
| 02:57.35 | kidongrok | Guerin: I tried this:iface="$1" |
| 02:57.35 | kidongrok | spew=$(ip addr show dev $iface |grep inet) |
| 02:57.35 | kidongrok | while read addr name; do |
| 02:57.35 | kidongrok | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.35 | kidongrok | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.36 | *** kick/#debian [kidongrok!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 02:57.55 | soyuz | Jacobo221 so are about 50 that I keep on the shelf as models of how diskettes can be crummy |
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| 02:58.13 | sussudio | !bugger kidongrok |
| 02:58.16 | Guerin | kidongrok: don't flood in here |
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| 02:58.35 | Guerin | kidongrok: and don't bother asking me about shell scripting - I guarantee you're better at it than I am :) |
| 02:58.40 | kidongrok | sorry - Im new to this stuff - flooding is newlines ? |
| 02:58.40 | soyuz | Jacobo221 and a few busted drives to go with them... |
| 02:58.46 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: but the problem is that the floppy drive_ bemoces noisy from time to time (and never tops reading or writing or whatever it does) |
| 02:59.02 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: do you use submount? |
| 02:59.07 | Guerin | yeah, 4 lines gets you a kick, 3 gets you shouted at, 2 gets you grumbles. |
| 02:59.15 | soyuz | Jacobo221 all the time |
| 02:59.30 | Nurbs_ | Guerin: hehe |
| 02:59.33 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: please paste me your fstab line for floppy :) |
| 02:59.49 | soyuz | aww do I HAVE to? |
| 03:00.01 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: i set it as "/dev/floppy /mnt/fd subfs rw,fs=vfat:msdos:ext2,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0" |
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| 03:00.07 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: yes please |
| 03:00.13 | Guerin | Varanger: don't fucking message me. |
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| 03:01.03 | soyuz | geez, you put all that in there. Hell, I just use autofs. works a charm |
| 03:01.46 | soyuz | Jacobo221 the samba share gets mounted auto by the client and sounds NORMAL |
| 03:01.48 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: autofs? never heard of that |
| 03:01.57 | Cyis | anyone think what's wrong with this... static struct <struct type> <struct name> = { type: <decl>, func: <func name>, data: <decl> }; |
| 03:02.11 | Cyis | I get an "unknown field 'data' specified in initializer |
| 03:02.30 | soyuz | Jacobo221 unless the medium itself is crappy, in which case it makes a horrible grind grind sound. |
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| 03:02.38 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: lol |
| 03:02.44 | guestish | yay, it works |
| 03:02.48 | pv2b | Cyis, struct <struct name> doesn't have a 'data' field? |
| 03:02.53 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: I'll have to google for that fs driver :) |
| 03:03.02 | Guerin | Varanger: really. Don't do it again. |
| 03:03.04 | pv2b | Cyis, anyway, this is offtopic on this channel. we can discuss this in /msg if you want. |
| 03:03.07 | Cyis | pv2b: thing is this code used to compile with gcc 2.95.4 |
| 03:03.12 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: anyway, please query me your fstab line about floppy if you don't mind |
| 03:03.19 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: i just wanna make sure ;) |
| 03:04.26 | Varanger | Guerin: OK... Guerin... don't take it bad ! |
| 03:04.41 | Varanger | Guerin: just relax yourself... |
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| 03:05.47 | guestish | !relax |
| 03:05.47 | dpkg | /me leans back and lights up a cigar |
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| 03:05.51 | tcsetattr | Cyis, that's the old GNU syntax. C99 has standardized syntax for explicit element initializers. Try it with a dot: = { .foo=bar } |
| 03:06.01 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 03:06.06 | Guerin | !literal relax |
| 03:06.07 | dpkg | relax is <REPLY> /me leans back and lights up a cigar |
| 03:06.24 | WiFiTux | sussudio, Isn't that !relax bad? |
| 03:06.33 | raymor | Hi all. I'm in serious need of a debin expert right now. |
| 03:06.38 | guestish | raymor: no kidding? |
| 03:06.41 | Guerin | !relax =~ s#<REPLY> /me#<action># |
| 03:06.41 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
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| 03:06.50 | WiFiTux | !relax |
| 03:06.56 | WiFiTux | thanks Guerin |
| 03:06.59 | mboman | Hi guys |
| 03:06.59 | guestish | raymor: you should try progeny, they provide good debian support contracts |
| 03:07.06 | guestish | raymor: good quality* |
| 03:07.10 | raymor | On our biggest clients production server I just did rm -Rf /etc |
| 03:07.18 | Guerin | raymor: backups |
| 03:07.38 | Guerin | raymor: you take them at least daily, right? |
| 03:08.04 | raymor | Yeah, I'm trying to find out if the guy who set this machine up set it up on the backup system. He's not answering. |
| 03:08.16 | mboman | Have anyone of you done a multi-isp routing setup? I been reading the docs but iproute2's 'ip' command doesn't like the 'table' keyword (running sarge) |
| 03:08.21 | Guerin | raymor: if he didn't, you're both likely to be fired. |
| 03:08.45 | Guerin | raymor: can't you page a 24/7 tech or something? |
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| 03:09.08 | FUF | raymor: might wanna remount that filesystem read-only for now.. |
| 03:09.20 | guestish | raymor: you wiped the company's backups? |
| 03:09.26 | FUF | raymor: if it comes to worst, you may still be able to recover your dir tree |
| 03:09.29 | Guerin | guestish: no, he wiped /etc |
| 03:09.39 | guestish | ah, ouch |
| 03:09.43 | guestish | o_O |
| 03:10.07 | Guerin | it's not the eotw, but it needs to be put back in place pronto |
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| 03:11.35 | Jacobo221 | soyuz: isn't autofs a replacement for subfs?? |
| 03:13.00 | guestish | Guerin: yeah, there goes his init scripts |
| 03:13.02 | raymor | > might wanna remount that filesystem read-only for now |
| 03:13.06 | raymor | did that |
| 03:13.42 | Guerin | raymor: whatever you do, don't logout, reboot, change init level, or kill any services |
| 03:13.47 | mboman | raymor: you got another HDD laying around, same size (or larger) as your '/' partition |
| 03:13.49 | mboman | ? |
| 03:13.54 | Guerin | just don't change anything |
| 03:14.03 | raymor | Guerin > I AM the 24/7 tech that got paged. |
| 03:14.06 | guestish | raymor: you killed your init scripts meaning you cannot reboot |
| 03:14.10 | Guerin | raymor: ... |
| 03:14.12 | guestish | raymor: course you know that... |
| 03:14.22 | Moc | Anyone kno what I can do with this : |
| 03:14.22 | Moc | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.o |
| 03:14.22 | Moc | depmod: init_cmd640_vlb |
| 03:14.24 | Guerin | raymor: and yet you don't have access to the backups? WTF? |
| 03:14.35 | Moc | this if after a make modules_install of kernel 2.4.27 |
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| 03:14.51 | mboman | Guerin: you are assuming that backups exists.. |
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| 03:15.05 | Guerin | mboman: if they don't ... well ... |
| 03:16.17 | mboman | anyway, the init scripts (if standard) isn't that hard to re-create.. bigger issue is all the other config files that has been customized.. |
| 03:16.24 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:16.40 | raymor | We have essentially two seperate sets of servers that are operated indenpendently, the controlk panel servers and the non-control panel servers. Normally I only touch the control panel ones tht have a seperate backup system. I'm also the new guy at the compnay and don't know the ropes to well yet. |
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| 03:17.21 | mboman | raymor: I would say it was not very smart to get you on the 24/7 call list then... |
| 03:17.26 | raymor | I'm thinking I need to get on anothe debian system and start copying files. But this appears to be out only debian system. |
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| 03:17.55 | mboman | raymor: do NOT modify anything on the machine |
| 03:18.08 | Oasis | raymor: Blame someone else. |
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| 03:18.19 | debdevil | can anyone tell me how I could install a package from unstable (I just want to install a single package) |
| 03:18.20 | Guerin | raymor: if this box isn't backed up, you'll need to reinstall everything with --force-conf-miss, then redo all the customisation from there |
| 03:18.28 | guestish | !pin |
| 03:18.31 | guestish | hrm |
| 03:18.33 | mboman | raymor: as long as you don't write new data to the disk you can run some forensic tools to get at least some of the files back... |
| 03:18.44 | guestish | raymor: ext2 or ext3? |
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| 03:19.08 | Guerin | raymor: but if there aren't backups, then you get to share at least SOME of the blame. |
| 03:19.13 | daedx | Help! I've just installed GPM (for using mouse in virtual terminals) and now all my xsessions are fucked up ... I tried removing GPM, restarting Gnome display manager, and it doesnt work |
| 03:19.13 | Guerin | with someone else, I mean. |
| 03:20.16 | yarddog | . |
| 03:20.54 | mboman | does anyone know if/where the iproute2 guys are hanging out? |
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| 03:21.52 | sussudio | mboman: their parents' basements? |
| 03:22.02 | Yo_misma | please tell me... is true than the vocalist of simply red is death????? |
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| 03:22.22 | sussudio | Yo_misma: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 03:23.22 | Guerin | !mickhucknallsmack Yo_misma |
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| 03:23.31 | Guerin | !mickhucknallsmack |
| 03:23.37 | Guerin | hyuh |
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| 03:23.57 | Guerin | Yo_misma: that's the kind of beating you'll get if you message me again. |
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| 03:24.12 | daedx | Help! I've just installed GPM (for using mouse in virtual terminals) and now all my xsessions are fucked up ... I tried removing GPM, restarting Gnome display manager, and it doesnt work |
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| 03:24.32 | Guerin | !mickhucknallsmack $1 is <action> beats $1 some more with the uglystick. |
| 03:24.32 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 03:24.51 | sebix | hi again... I can't find what network driver to load for the Gateway 200X I am installing. Any clue ? |
| 03:24.59 | microrahsheen | What should I set QTDIR to when compile QT apps+ |
| 03:25.01 | microrahsheen | ? |
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| 03:25.16 | xenobius | hello |
| 03:25.17 | Guerin | microrahsheen: #debian-kde |
| 03:25.25 | microrahsheen | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:25.26 | xenobius | how do i get a list of all binary executables on my system ? |
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| 03:25.38 | mboman | sebix: run 'lspci' and give us the _nic_ line |
| 03:25.42 | Guerin | xenobius: why would you? |
| 03:26.03 | xenobius | Guerin: to browse and figure out what each one does |
| 03:26.17 | sebix | mboman: I am just at the configuration of the modules step in the installation... don't know if I can run lspci |
| 03:26.20 | Guerin | xenobius: that's among the stupidest ideas I've ever seen in this channel. |
| 03:26.21 | xenobius | Guerin: is there a wat ? |
| 03:26.32 | Guerin | xenobius: you might be able to do it with find, I guess |
| 03:26.36 | xenobius | Guerin: well thank you guerin |
| 03:26.40 | tictac_ | any idea why the kernel-package in sarge didnt create an initrd.img file? |
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| 03:26.53 | toy-laptop | sup |
| 03:26.55 | daedx | Help! I've just installed GPM (for using mouse in virtual terminals) and now all my xsessions are fucked up ... I tried removing GPM, restarting Gnome display manager, and it doesnt work |
| 03:26.57 | xenobius | Guerin: why is that so terrible ? i'm not exactly certain what binaries are all installed on my system |
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| 03:27.03 | Guerin | !tell daedx about repeat |
| 03:27.04 | toy-laptop | is there any way to turn your 802.11x card into a police scanner? |
| 03:27.05 | toy-laptop | lol |
| 03:27.11 | mboman | sebix: in that case you can do some trial and error.. most common ones are either realtek or intel cards.. (rtl8139 or eepro100) |
| 03:27.12 | tictac_ | toy-laptop: lol. no |
| 03:27.16 | BrianAnthony | ow do i unload a module and if it's in use how do I turn it off |
| 03:27.19 | toy-laptop | loooooool damn |
| 03:27.23 | sussudio | toy-laptop: have you tried inserting it rectally? |
| 03:27.31 | toy-laptop | hahaha no hang on lemme try... |
| 03:27.36 | tictac_ | toy-laptop: just buy one, they are cheap enough. radio shack has some decent ones. |
| 03:27.37 | toy-laptop | nope didn't work |
| 03:27.39 | sebix | mboman: ok. I will set it up afterward anyway |
| 03:27.39 | Guerin | xenobius: they are legion. Why don't you just read everything in /usr/share/doc instead, to get some context... oh, no, that wouldn't be l33t |
| 03:27.41 | daedx | Well ... I need to be able to go back in X-window |
| 03:27.44 | sebix | mboman: thanks |
| 03:27.44 | peterS | mboman: and 3c59x, there are a *lot* of those on motherboards |
| 03:27.51 | toy-laptop | i needed one right away |
| 03:27.51 | debdevil | APT::Default-Release "stable"; is the line in apt.conf ...apt is saying syntax error extra junk after value..anyone know what is wrong here? |
| 03:27.52 | apt | okay, debdevil |
| 03:27.53 | pv2b | toy-laptop, if you need to ask -- no. |
| 03:27.58 | mboman | peterS: ah, ok.. |
| 03:27.59 | daedx | I just can't .. im stuck in console |
| 03:28.06 | toy-laptop | there was just a high speed chase in front of my apartment |
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| 03:28.25 | sussudio | friday's the new sunday |
| 03:28.26 | tictac_ | toy-laptop: too bad. |
| 03:28.29 | xenobius | Guerin: hey maybe you know this one, modprobe is reporting errors about modules not being found, char-0-something-or-other, where do i find the reference to this link, how do i recompile a list of module dependencies for my new kernel etc ? |
| 03:28.33 | toy-laptop | yeah i know :-\ |
| 03:28.34 | gringo | hi |
| 03:28.36 | mboman | toy-laptop: be happy that they didn't do it _though_ your appartment :) |
| 03:28.43 | gringo | how can I do a format a: in linux? |
| 03:28.56 | peterS | gringo: install 'mtools' |
| 03:28.57 | toy-laptop | ol |
| 03:29.00 | guestish | gringo: mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 |
| 03:29.00 | peterS | gringo: then use 'mformat a:' |
| 03:29.09 | guestish | gringo: or do that... |
| 03:29.19 | gringo | peterS, I want to do it the linux way :) |
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| 03:29.29 | raymor | guestish> Been working on it instead of readin here. It's ext3 unfortunaterly. I'm trying to aty least get a working system with /etcpasswd and such. |
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| 03:29.31 | mboman | people still have floppy drives? |
| 03:29.35 | peterS | gringo: then install 'dosfstools' and use 'mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0' as guestish suggested |
| 03:29.36 | xenobius | lol yes |
| 03:29.49 | GregorR | I'm using a floppy right now ^_^ |
| 03:29.51 | guestish | i have one |
| 03:29.55 | GregorR | But I'm using hfsutils |
| 03:29.57 | toy-laptop | i have one in my desktop |
| 03:29.59 | gringo | I want to give a linux filesystem to the disk |
| 03:29.59 | toy-laptop | but i never use it |
| 03:30.06 | toy-laptop | i use my 1gig flash |
| 03:30.17 | xenobius | mboman: yes why wouldn't they :P they're good for new OS development, assuming you want to play with all that, i found a neat guide to creating your own boot images and os kernels :) |
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| 03:30.18 | mboman | well, I have floppy drive in both my desktop and my laptop.. never been used thou.. |
| 03:30.24 | gringo | thanks |
| 03:30.29 | peterS | gringo: then mke2fs on the floppy, then, if you want |
| 03:30.45 | xenobius | ok well folks see ya |
| 03:30.53 | mboman | CF and USB thumbdrive are my choice for moving data (non-networked) |
| 03:30.56 | toy-laptop | what different bands can an 802.11x card pickup |
| 03:30.56 | peterS | gringo: but the usual point of floppies is to be able to use them cross-platform, and ext2 isn't supported on most non-Linux OSes |
| 03:31.08 | toy-laptop | this has spawned an entirely new interest for me |
| 03:31.16 | pv2b | toy-laptop, 802.11x? don't you mean 802.11b or g? or a? or what? |
| 03:31.21 | Jacobo221 | automount vs submount. which do you recommend? |
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| 03:31.25 | pv2b | or is 802.11x a new stadnard i don't know about? |
| 03:31.31 | toy-laptop | 802.11x = 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g |
| 03:31.41 | toy-laptop | replace x variable with your choice of letter |
| 03:31.58 | pv2b | toy-laptop, i could invent a 802.11z card which worked on 80 meter CW if i wanted to. |
| 03:32.03 | pv2b | toy-laptop, so you need to be specific |
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| 03:32.16 | tictac_ | anyway i can create an initrd image? |
| 03:32.19 | toy-laptop | 802.11b |
| 03:32.22 | guestish | raymor: i dont know what to tell ya |
| 03:32.26 | toy-laptop | what radio bands can it read |
| 03:32.28 | pv2b | toy-laptop, 802.11b operates on 2.4 GHz. |
| 03:32.34 | tictac_ | for some reason make-kpkg didnt create it |
| 03:32.41 | daedx | ... anybody can just give my a hint about what's going on?! My Xwindow is fucked up because of GPM .. I tried removing GPM, restarting Xwindow .. doesnt work |
| 03:32.44 | tictac_ | just made a directory /initrd |
| 03:32.50 | toy-laptop | can it read other frequencies |
| 03:32.50 | tictac_ | :| |
| 03:32.52 | toy-laptop | like FM band |
| 03:33.00 | mboman | daedx: we heard you the first time... |
| 03:33.05 | pv2b | toy-laptop, hm. not really. |
| 03:33.19 | toy-laptop | i now have a new senior project |
| 03:33.21 | toy-laptop | create a combo card |
| 03:33.23 | Joint | ok great i got my alsa working, |
| 03:33.24 | pv2b | toy-laptop, in theory, yes. any equipment can be modified to do whatever you want to do. |
| 03:33.33 | toy-laptop | that does 802.11g, reads FM radio, and can be a police scanner |
| 03:33.34 | toy-laptop | loool |
| 03:33.39 | daedx | Well ... Don't you have any idea why a simple terminal application can fuck up Xfree? |
| 03:33.41 | mboman | daedx: make sure gpm isn't running, and make sure your X11 config points to the correct mouse device... |
| 03:33.50 | pv2b | toy-laptop, just get a scanner. |
| 03:33.54 | toy-laptop | haha im goin to |
| 03:34.02 | toy-laptop | welp lemme get back to this descrete math studying |
| 03:34.04 | daedx | gpm ain't running I've remove it and stopped the daemon |
| 03:34.05 | peterS | the LiDS scanner technology is pretty cool |
| 03:34.06 | toy-laptop | got a big mid-term tomorrow |
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| 03:34.10 | peterS | not that that's what you're talking about |
| 03:34.11 | toy-laptop | later fellas |
| 03:34.18 | pv2b | toy-laptop, good ones are most often able to pick up "wide FM" transmissions, as broadcast by broadcast FM. |
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| 03:34.21 | pv2b | toy-laptop, cya. |
| 03:34.23 | mboman | daedx: it's because GPM also wants to play with the mouse.... |
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| 03:35.36 | microrahsheen | how do I make apt-get install RECOMMENDED packages? |
| 03:35.57 | daedx | mboman: I've checked my XF86config and there is nothing about gpm, and my mouse still point to /dev/input/mice |
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| 03:36.14 | thu | hey.. is there any decent keygrabber available for use with openbox3? I can't seem to find epist anywhere |
| 03:36.15 | k00giez | hi |
| 03:36.18 | mboman | daedx: and you are sure gpm is not running? |
| 03:36.22 | k00giez | pls help me how to create a new parition and mount it |
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| 03:36.31 | k00giez | i need to save my linux swap space |
| 03:36.37 | k00giez | pls help me how to create a new parition and mount it |
| 03:37.07 | mboman | k00giez: save your swap space? |
| 03:37.14 | nvz | my 800mhz Athlon w/ 128mb ram cant even handle playing a DVD with a/v sync through mplayer or totem-xine, vesa, svga, or x11 output, even with framedrop on it slowly looses sync :-/ |
| 03:37.23 | daedx | mboman: Hell yeah, I've done /etc/init.d/gpm stop then apt-get delete gpm then I verify in ps -aux and GPM is not running |
| 03:37.42 | soyuz | !parted |
| 03:37.42 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 03:37.45 | dondelelcaro | daedx: if you're using 2.6, you'll need to use /dev/input mice. |
| 03:37.46 | thu | nvz: bad video drivers maybe? |
| 03:37.49 | k00giez | mboman, i deleted a un formated partition but doing so deletees my linux swao |
| 03:37.59 | daedx | Im using 2.4.26 |
| 03:38.02 | nvz | thu: more like no video drivers maybe ;) |
| 03:38.04 | dondelelcaro | nvz: xv... |
| 03:38.22 | daedx | And my mouse always pointed to /dev/input/mice |
| 03:38.38 | peterS | daedx: that's correct if your mouse is USB or ADB |
| 03:38.42 | mboman | k00giez: ok, so you killed your swap partition.. run fdisk, create a swap partition (type 82) and then run 'mkswap' |
| 03:38.43 | dondelelcaro | nvz: you'll probably also want to use -vm as well so you don't have to deal with scaling. |
| 03:38.47 | thu | openbox users: what do you use to handle shortcuts? (like switching workspaces) |
| 03:38.47 | mboman | k00giez: on it |
| 03:39.00 | daedx | Yeah, usb mouse |
| 03:39.00 | dondelelcaro | thu: $EDITOR |
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| 03:39.10 | rich_ | Hello |
| 03:39.21 | nvz | dondelelcaro: xv requires a server extension right? |
| 03:39.22 | k00giez | can i pvt you mboman |
| 03:39.37 | mboman | k00giez: one moment.. gotta do something first |
| 03:39.40 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah, but almost all cards should have it.. and it's enabled by default in Debian. |
| 03:39.40 | nvz | dondelelcaro: and 3d accelerated drivers? |
| 03:39.50 | dondelelcaro | nvz: nah, no 3d necessary. |
| 03:39.52 | thu | dondelelcaro: how exactly do you switch workspaces with $EDITOR? |
| 03:39.57 | mboman | k00giez: or go ahead and I'll get back to you later |
| 03:40.13 | dondelelcaro | thu: you use $EDITOR to edit .config/openbox/rc.xml; and then set the hotkeys you want to use. |
| 03:40.26 | k00giez | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 03:40.27 | k00giez | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.27 | k00giez | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.27 | k00giez | /dev/hdb1 1 5633 45247041 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 03:40.27 | k00giez | /dev/hdb2 * 5634 5646 104422+ 83 Linux |
| 03:40.27 | k00giez | /dev/hdb3 5647 8833 25599577+ 83 Linux |
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| 03:40.34 | mwilson | zabazabazaba |
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| 03:40.51 | k00giez | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.53 | k00giez | Disk /dev/hdb: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes |
| 03:40.55 | k00giez | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders |
| 03:40.57 | k00giez | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 03:40.58 | thu | dondelelcaro: do you know of any decent keygrabber in apt? I used to like epist because it works with all WMs |
| 03:40.59 | k00giez | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.01 | k00giez | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.04 | k00giez | /dev/hdb1 1 5633 45247041 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 03:41.06 | k00giez | /dev/hdb2 * 5634 5646 104422+ 83 Linux |
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| 03:41.11 | mwilson | thu: Except that it doesn't, of course. |
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| 03:41.21 | k00giez | sorry |
| 03:41.23 | dondelelcaro | k00giez: stop pasting in here. |
| 03:41.25 | mwilson | thu: epist works with NETWM-compatible window managers, not all window manager. |
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| 03:41.31 | daedx | I've even tried to rerun fglrxconfig .. doesnt work |
| 03:41.32 | k00giez | where to paste? |
| 03:41.47 | dondelelcaro | k00giez: #flood; See /topic |
| 03:41.52 | thu | mwilson: all window managers I normally use then (other than ion) |
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| 03:42.25 | dondelelcaro | thu: openbox3 does that all internally now. |
| 03:42.27 | mwilson | thu: So, if you want epistrophy, run epistrophy. What's the big deal? |
| 03:42.38 | thu | mwilson: not in apt :) |
| 03:42.48 | thu | dondelelcaro: that's good news |
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| 03:42.54 | mwilson | thu: Uh, it never was, so that's certainly no argument. |
| 03:43.03 | k00giez | someone pls help me create new partition |
| 03:43.17 | thu | k00giez: use cfdisk |
| 03:43.19 | Nosf3ratu | what's the default partition type on usb drives? |
| 03:43.22 | Nosf3ratu | fat32 or 16? |
| 03:43.28 | Nosf3ratu | i can't boot to mine anymore |
| 03:43.29 | k00giez | ok i used fdisk |
| 03:43.34 | k00giez | but this what happens |
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| 03:43.39 | Nosf3ratu | i get MBR: F00 and then nothing |
| 03:43.58 | mwilson | thu: It's not like it has any significant dependencies. |
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| 03:44.16 | nvz | dondelelcaro: apperently xv is what totem-xine uses, cause I get the same reaction from it, as I did from mplayer when I choose that output plugin. X crashed. |
| 03:44.23 | thu | mwilson: I guess it doesn't |
| 03:44.31 | dondelelcaro | nvz: ah. try x11 then with -vm |
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| 03:45.04 | allex87 | hello |
| 03:45.11 | mwilson | thu: How wonderful for you, then, that epistrophy doesn't use XML configuration files. |
| 03:45.18 | rich_ | nvz xvidix is good |
| 03:45.18 | allex87 | anyone can help me with some information on how to install fglrx drivers from ati? |
| 03:45.32 | nvz | dondelelcaro: should I also aviod trying to use -zoom and scale this I assume? |
| 03:45.33 | mwilson | thu: So... you've never actually USED epistrophy, right? |
| 03:45.38 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah. |
| 03:45.58 | dondelelcaro | nvz: -vm will switch the video mode to the closest mode that matches using xvidmode, and basically obviates the need for scaling |
| 03:46.07 | nvz | dondelelcaro: cause I tried that and framedrop and it still didnt help |
| 03:46.11 | thu | mwilson: I used epist for a while.. I was refering to the openbox rc.xml |
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| 03:46.33 | mwilson | thu: What does openbox3's rc file have to do with epistrophy? |
| 03:46.35 | dondelelcaro | nvz: hrm. yeah, you may need to figure out why you can't use xv then... |
| 03:46.53 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I kept trying -fps options, cause I couldnt get the keys for the a/v sync to work.. there used to be keys you could press and it would adjust the a/v sync |
| 03:47.19 | thu | mwilson: it contains the openbox key bindings that could also be handled by epist |
| 03:47.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah... here, with huge videos and a bad driver it would just get more and more out of sync |
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| 03:47.38 | mwilson | thu: Ah, you mean it has nothing to do with it. That's what I thought. |
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| 03:48.08 | nvz | dondelelcaro: its a brand new encrypted dvd, the laptop just cant handle it without drivers it seems |
| 03:48.15 | Lilguy | hi all |
| 03:48.59 | debdevil | is there package repository beyond unstable? I'm wanting xchat >2.0.10 and it's not even in unstable though it's inluded in other distors as stable...is deb just that far behind? |
| 03:49.39 | Lilguy | I could really use some help, if someone has a minute...I'm running debian sarge, and just upgraded my kernel, and now it seems I lost all network connectivity... |
| 03:50.06 | Guerin | hrm, all my hours in #debian might be starting to earn their keep |
| 03:50.06 | dondelelcaro | nvz: hrm. could be. |
| 03:50.11 | nvz | dondelelcaro: wow, the -vm helps alot. you think I could kill X, and use -vm with -vo svga or -vo vesa to get full screen and still have these good results? |
| 03:50.16 | mwilson | debdevil: Exactly what is it that you think is later than 2.0.10? |
| 03:50.19 | dondelelcaro | nvz: possibly... |
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| 03:50.23 | dondelelcaro | nvz: I really don't know |
| 03:50.25 | mwilson | debdevil: One of the development versions? |
| 03:50.35 | Guerin | my wife's x session just crashed while she was doing university work, and I think I'll be able to pull the text out of /dev/mem |
| 03:50.41 | Lilguy | I saw something fly past in the bootup screens about inet0, but couldn't read it. Is there a way to see the bootup messages? |
| 03:50.59 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the vm does the trick, I new the main problem is having to software scale the frames |
| 03:51.08 | debdevil | mwilson: ya..anything really...I had fedora installed the other day and there was a majore improvedment to xchat -though I can't remembe which version it was |
| 03:51.20 | sebix | hey (again ;-)). lspci gives : Network Controller: Intel corp. : unknown device 1043 (rev 04). |
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| 03:51.28 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah. software scaling sucks even on this dual xeon p4 2.4G |
| 03:51.30 | mwilson | debdevil: So you think Debian should package development versions of software. |
| 03:51.36 | k00giez | how much swap space should i create? |
| 03:51.40 | k00giez | how much swap space should i create?????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 03:51.41 | debdevil | mwilson: no, I didn't say that |
| 03:51.51 | mwilson | debdevil: Doesn't xchat suck enough without having to use dev versions? |
| 03:51.53 | rich_ | debdevil Well if you like broken stuff you can get more recent software |
| 03:51.56 | lynx^ | newest version of xchat is 2.4? |
| 03:51.58 | dondelelcaro | k00giez: stop using excess punctuation. |
| 03:52.00 | lynx^ | and thats not delevepoment? |
| 03:52.02 | Xenguy | keeeel heeeem |
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| 03:52.23 | BrianAnthony | how can I make a sound card turn off, or like so it's not in use |
| 03:52.28 | debdevil | mwilson: no...does exactly what I need exactly how I want |
| 03:52.31 | Nurbs_ | lynx^: yep. |
| 03:52.46 | debdevil | mwilson: the newest release that is |
| 03:52.46 | sebix | and lspci also gives : Ethernet Controller: Intel corp. : unknown device 103d (rev 04). |
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| 03:52.52 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I didnt know you could run it like that, it said the scalar is off in the aterm, and the video stayed syncd so far, I am going to try doing it from console as root accessing it directly to try and cheat on full screen ;) |
| 03:52.59 | BrianAnthony | I'm trying to disable my driver for my sound card but it says it's in use |
| 03:53.15 | lynx^ | so what is this about no newer version then 2.0.10 cept dev? |
| 03:53.17 | michal | hi. does anyone know of any software to automatically terminate idle terminal sessions? |
| 03:53.18 | mwilson | debdevil: Better get compiling, then. |
| 03:53.26 | debdevil | mwilson: but I see the newest release, even in unstable is only 2.0.10 so I was wondering if there is a repository with even newer than that? |
| 03:53.28 | michal | after they have been idle for n minutes |
| 03:53.30 | mwilson | !maint xchat |
| 03:53.36 | dpkg | xchat: Davide Puricelli (evo) <evo@debian.org> |
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| 03:53.59 | Nurbs_ | xchat 2.4 is in experimental |
| 03:54.02 | debdevil | ok...so if I want newer, I just need to download the tar and compile myself? |
| 03:54.05 | sebix | any idea what I could do with this to get the proper ethernet driver ? |
| 03:54.12 | dondelelcaro | !info xchat experimental |
| 03:54.18 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.0-0.1 (experimental), Packaged size: 257 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 03:54.19 | Nurbs_ | there are no major new features, though |
| 03:54.26 | Lilguy | Is there a log somewhere that shows the output of the bootup process? |
| 03:54.27 | lynx^ | oh |
| 03:54.31 | Nurbs_ | or fixes... |
| 03:54.37 | debdevil | whooa...how'd you get that? |
| 03:54.44 | dondelelcaro | Lilguy: /var/log/kern.log; /var/log/dmesg; |
| 03:54.48 | Nurbs_ | !experimental |
| 03:54.48 | dpkg | somebody said experimental was If you want to use some certain packages in experimental, you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Pin-Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
| 03:54.56 | Lilguy | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 03:55.00 | mwilson | Nurbs_: But... but... didn't you know, people will just DIE if they can't whine about having the latest version! |
| 03:55.17 | Nurbs_ | don't tell me :> |
| 03:55.23 | dondelelcaro | now, why you'd even use xchat is another story... but whatever. |
| 03:55.31 | debdevil | holy shit...I hate people sometimes |
| 03:55.31 | mwilson | Nurbs_: After all, all previoous versions magically stop working when that version number gets incremented. |
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| 03:55.51 | debdevil | I asked a simple question...I'm not complaining!!! |
| 03:56.10 | useruser | debdevil: that's what you think |
| 03:56.14 | useruser | debdevil: we know better |
| 03:56.20 | Nurbs_ | well, sometimes older versions did not work at all for certain purposes. |
| 03:56.22 | mwilson | Of course you're complaining. In fact, you're slamming... "or is deb just that far behind?" (a quote) |
| 03:56.49 | debdevil | ya |
| 03:56.57 | debdevil | I asked if deb is that far behind |
| 03:57.02 | debdevil | well..aparently it is |
| 03:57.02 | mwilson | Gods, clueless unstable users. |
| 03:57.04 | debdevil | so what |
| 03:57.08 | Guerin | debdevil: no, it's not. |
| 03:57.22 | lynx^ | how do you build a pkg on debian from src so you can install it instead of compiling src but dont want to go with all that revision,debconfs whatever? |
| 03:57.23 | debdevil | nope...newer version of xchat is just as stable |
| 03:57.30 | Nurbs_ | ah, pointless discussion. |
| 03:57.36 | debdevil | exactly |
| 03:57.52 | mwilson | debdevil: Funny how I wasn't referring to unstable versions of xchat, isn't it? |
| 03:57.54 | Guerin | debdevil: oops, your laack of understanding of how an OS is put together is showing |
| 03:58.03 | debdevil | lol |
| 03:58.10 | mwilson | Guerin: But he WANTS it! |
| 03:58.23 | debdevil | good...I never intended that I new a lot |
| 03:58.30 | debdevil | I'm glad you finally figured that out |
| 03:58.31 | Lilguy | Ok, Kern.log and dmesg look useful, but they're not what I see when the system boots |
| 03:58.31 | mwilson | Guerin: Therefore, someone should *immediately* package it for him. |
| 03:58.32 | debdevil | genious |
| 03:58.34 | Guerin | mwilson: therefore he must have it. |
| 03:58.39 | Guerin | indeed. |
| 03:58.40 | debdevil | lol |
| 03:58.51 | rich_ | debdevil Its the dependancies. Your welcome to compile anything you want because debian has stable libs. But if you want broken, theres experimental. But why stop with xchat? just install experimental packages until something breaks |
| 03:58.53 | Lilguy | I got an error pertaining to eth0, and I'd like to see what it said... |
| 03:59.01 | Guerin | Lilguy: dmesg? |
| 03:59.01 | mwilson | I swear, Debian should NEVER publish how to get to unstable. |
| 03:59.31 | debdevil | rich_: I simply wanted to install the newest version of xchat because I like it's new features..not my whole system |
| 03:59.44 | mwilson | How can anyone like xchat? |
| 03:59.53 | debdevil | but I guess its a crime to want to install a new version of a package |
| 03:59.56 | sussudio | mwilson: people like ikea furniture too. |
| 03:59.58 | lynx^ | rofl |
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| 04:00.16 | Guerin | debdevil: go on, then. Things in experimental can be installed, if you know how. Just ddon't expect people to load the gun for you. |
| 04:00.18 | debdevil | I'm slamming debian because I like to try a new version of xchat |
| 04:00.25 | Lilguy | Guerin: no, it's not in there... |
| 04:00.27 | debdevil | lol |
| 04:00.31 | lynx^ | i just moved to debian and i feel what debdevil is saying a lot though |
| 04:00.32 | dondelelcaro | debdevil: it's in experimental. Go get it if you want it already. |
| 04:00.38 | mwilson | I met this true hypocrite once... slammed mirc every chance he got, yet he used xchat. |
| 04:00.42 | rich_ | debdevil Then install it. No problem. But you cant expect debian to make it stable just to please you. They wont make it stable until everything it depends on is stable. Because of that, you can download and compile anything you want. |
| 04:00.47 | Xenguy | BTW I was at ClockTower this past weekend, and yer right, the patio really does suck ;-) |
| 04:00.47 | mwilson | I just looked at him. |
| 04:00.51 | Xenguy | ww |
| 04:00.53 | Xenguy | sorry |
| 04:00.59 | debdevil | rich_: I don't want debian to make it stable!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:01.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell debdevil about ep |
| 04:01.12 | allex87 | can anyone help me with some information on how to install fglrx drivers from ati? |
| 04:01.14 | mwilson | Guerin: Ooooh, was it a really BIG gun stuck in your ribs? |
| 04:01.17 | rich_ | debdevil Use upstream sources and compile it yourself. |
| 04:01.29 | Guerin | mwilson: yup, but at lest I know how to load it myself :) |
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| 04:01.49 | Guerin | now I'm pinned sarge - sid - experimental :0 |
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| 04:01.58 | mwilson | I tried evocrap 2 just so I could say I had, but it's not like I'd ever actually use it for anything. |
| 04:01.59 | dgc | ehlo, I'm trying to install the eclipse package using apt-get (on sid) |
| 04:02.07 | foxcokk | is there a way to save all of the iptables rules to a file so u can import them again later without typing each rule in? |
| 04:02.08 | Lilguy | Any other ideas where I might see the error that poppup up at bootup? it's not in kern.log or dmesg.... |
| 04:02.26 | dgc | but I'm stuck at not being able to install the sun-j2rex.xdebian package |
| 04:02.28 | debdevil | na..that's alright...I've never met such a bunch of fucking piece of shit fuck faces...going back to a real os...gentoo for life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:02.36 | lynx^ | rofl |
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| 04:02.38 | Guerin | allex87: get the rpm and use alien to convert it to a .deb |
| 04:02.41 | foxcokk | hahhaha |
| 04:02.45 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:02.45 | Lilguy | dgc, java seems to be one of th ebiggest pains in the ass to install on linux |
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| 04:03.02 | dgc | Lilguy: I've got java installed fine |
| 04:03.04 | allex87 | Guerin, then just install it as "usual"? |
| 04:03.10 | Guerin | just use the binary from java.sun.com |
| 04:03.14 | Guerin | allex87: apparently so |
| 04:03.18 | dgc | Lilguy: just can't get debian to recognize it |
| 04:03.23 | Lilguy | ah |
| 04:03.27 | dgc | rather, can't get apt to recognize it |
| 04:03.31 | dondelelcaro | dgc: you'll need the equivs package then. |
| 04:03.34 | rich_ | Lilguy really? Seemed to me it was just a few simple commands. Now try installing it on solaris. |
| 04:03.37 | allex87 | Guerin, well I'll try... |
| 04:03.43 | dgc | dondelelcaro |
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| 04:03.47 | dgc | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 04:03.58 | Lilguy | Well, I couldn't manage to install it using apt-get...Maybe I was just looking in the wrong places... |
| 04:03.59 | dondelelcaro | dgc: apt-get install equivs; read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*; |
| 04:04.08 | mwilson | I haven't found a reason yet to bother installing java 1.5... is there one? |
| 04:04.10 | dondelelcaro | dgc: either that, or install the debian packages of sre whatever. |
| 04:04.31 | lynx^ | so if i wanted the lateast xchat and such and went got the src and compiled it (not expmeintal pkgs though just lateast stable) that wont make things unstable on my box then right |
| 04:04.47 | Lilguy | java 1.5 is really cool from a programmer's perspective, but not really supported as much as the earlier ones... |
| 04:04.51 | dgc | dondelelcaro: alright |
| 04:04.58 | Guerin | lynx^: how can you possibly expect us to know? |
| 04:05.03 | dondelelcaro | lynx^: who knows? it's entirely possible that xchat will destroy your system, murder your dog, and impregnate your wife. |
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| 04:05.23 | Guerin | come on, I think the dog might have a fighting chance |
| 04:05.25 | lynx^ | rofl |
| 04:05.37 | lynx^ | i mean if theres nothing wrong with the package |
| 04:05.43 | guestish | xchat 2.4.0 is overrated |
| 04:05.44 | lynx^ | its not exp or anything |
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| 04:05.47 | guestish | theres no real difference |
| 04:05.57 | dondelelcaro | lynx^: why don't you find out? |
| 04:05.58 | guestish | unless you are a real xchat power user |
| 04:06.00 | Guerin | lynx^: I can guaran tee that if it works well, it'll work well. |
| 04:06.03 | Lilguy | Ok, I have 2 problems. The first is that upgrading my kernel disabled all the networking. The second is that I can't seem to retreive the error message I get at bootup, because I can't find the right log file.... |
| 04:06.06 | rich_ | Lilguy You like that? Well whatever floats your boat. Did you try /msg dpkg install java ? |
| 04:06.10 | lynx^ | im confused like with other distros i always went and got latest src and compiled and never thought this would make things unstable? |
| 04:06.29 | Lilguy | rich: no, I don't believe so |
| 04:06.37 | Guerin | lynx^: and it might not. But how would WE know what you'd do? |
| 04:06.50 | lynx^ | hmm ok |
| 04:08.00 | Lilguy | I'd like to get java working at some point, I think eclipse kicks ass, especially for c/c++ in linux |
| 04:08.25 | dondelelcaro | Lilguy: run ifup -a; then. You'll see the error mesages. |
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| 04:08.34 | Lilguy | Ok, I'll try that |
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| 04:08.48 | rich_ | Lilguy Oh. I didnt like java. Too restrictive. |
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| 04:10.15 | Lilguy | ok< here"s what it says" eth0: error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 04:10.22 | foxcokk | is there a way to save all of the iptables rules to a file so u can import them again later without typing each rule in? |
| 04:10.42 | Lilguy | aparently it forgot what eth0 was when I upgraded the kernel...I have a feeling I forgot something I was supposed to do... |
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| 04:11.26 | Xenguy | foxcokk: a firewall script like shorewall is one way |
| 04:12.08 | Nurbs_ | iptables-save, iptables-restore? |
| 04:12.13 | dgc | man, equivs is a pain =+( |
| 04:12.16 | Lilguy | I'm really a dummy when it comes to kernel stuff. I've never compiled one, and I just used whatever the default modules were off of the woody cd when I installed it. So I'm really lost with this network problem, since I've never set it up manually before. |
| 04:12.52 | foxcokk | well iptables-save and load work, but i'm looking to export the rules so i can back them up. so when if romat my router ii can import again |
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| 04:13.44 | Nurbs_ | uh... how about iptables-save? :) |
| 04:14.22 | Nurbs_ | I would normally recommend some premade packet filter/firewall application or just a script with all your rules and start/stop functionality, though |
| 04:14.53 | Guerin | Lilguy: find your kernel module, modprobe it, bounce the interface, done. |
| 04:15.13 | Lilguy | Guerin: whugghh? |
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| 04:15.22 | Guerin | Lilguy: what card is it? |
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| 04:15.41 | Lilguy | I believe it's a 3Com, but I'm not sure. |
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| 04:15.46 | Guerin | Lilguy: lspci |
| 04:15.59 | Lilguy | is that the module name? |
| 04:16.15 | Guerin | no, that;s the program you run to find out what cad it is? |
| 04:16.21 | Lilguy-the-linux | ok |
| 04:16.23 | foxcokk | ok.. well where did iptables-save save it to |
| 04:16.23 | foxcokk | ? |
| 04:16.29 | Guerin | scad it is?/card it is./ |
| 04:17.12 | Lilguy | Ok, it's a linksys NC100 |
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| 04:17.30 | Guerin | Lilguy: run modconf as root and load the corresponding kernel module |
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| 04:17.40 | michal | is there any way to mount an smb share as a normal unprivilidged user? |
| 04:17.47 | Lilguy | Ok, I'll give it a try |
| 04:17.52 | saskwach | Does anyone know what this error message means? I got it when I tried to hotsync my clie: usbmgr[474]: USB device isn't matched the configuration |
| 04:17.52 | alvherre | What's the command to configure services to start at boot? |
| 04:17.55 | dondelelcaro | michal: use smbclient |
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| 04:18.13 | Guerin | alvherre: update-rc.d ; rcconf |
| 04:18.17 | tam | is there a way to transfer a full gallery over from a fedora box to debian machine keeping the structure intact? |
| 04:18.19 | dondelelcaro | michal: rrr... I mean smbmount. It has to be setuid 0 though. |
| 04:18.21 | alvherre | Guerin, thanks |
| 04:18.25 | Guerin | tam: cp -a |
| 04:18.39 | tam | Guerin: good enough for me. thanks. |
| 04:18.42 | michal | dond: i don't have superuser privileges on the system |
| 04:18.43 | Guerin | tam: or rsync, or tar, or scr -r, or... |
| 04:19.25 | dondelelcaro | michal: well, try smbmount. If it works, you can mount smb filesystems. If not, you'll need someone who is. |
| 04:19.29 | tam | Guerin: thanks i thought of those commands but i was making sure just incase i messed up |
| 04:20.09 | dondelelcaro | michal: and it's smbmnt that has to be setuid... |
| 04:20.34 | michal | smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (510,510) |
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| 04:20.37 | michal | so i guess it isn't |
| 04:21.21 | dondelelcaro | michal: I'm not aware of anything that can browse smb shares without actually mounting them, unfortunatly... |
| 04:21.23 | dgc | equivs-build is producing a non-buildable package =+( |
| 04:21.58 | dondelelcaro | dgc: eh? |
| 04:22.08 | michal | smbclient can.. but i don't know if that's going to be useful for finding files |
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| 04:22.29 | dgc | parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted trailer line, at changelog line 5 |
| 04:22.50 | dondelelcaro | dgc: uh, your changelog is screwed. You used equivs-control to build the control, right? |
| 04:22.58 | dgc | dondelelcaro: right |
| 04:23.41 | Nurbs_ | dondelelcaro: konqueror can't? nautilus probably can (too?) |
| 04:23.42 | Calypso | Can someone point me to a create rescue disk how to? |
| 04:23.43 | dgc | dondelelcaro: I left changelog to the default |
| 04:24.02 | dondelelcaro | Nurbs_: hrm. maybe. I don't use either of those. |
| 04:24.11 | dondelelcaro | dgc: hrm. paste it into #flood |
| 04:24.33 | Nurbs_ | michael__: you might want to try nautilus (gnome file manager) or konqueror (kde's) |
| 04:24.59 | michal | nurbs: i'm doing this over a ssh connection |
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| 04:25.15 | Nurbs_ | michal: X forwarding, VNC :> |
| 04:25.34 | michal | nurbs: even the ascii is slow :/ |
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| 04:26.27 | dondelelcaro | dgc: you need to specify a version. |
| 04:26.32 | dgc | dondelelcaro: really? it said "defaults to 1.0" |
| 04:26.35 | Lilguy | Ok, I'm having trouble finding a module for a Linksys NC100...Anyone know of an equivelant or a generic that would work? |
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| 04:27.05 | dgc | dondelelcaro: same problem |
| 04:27.07 | dondelelcaro | dgc: hrm. It might also be that you don't have a valid email address in the Maintainer: field |
| 04:27.22 | streuner | Lilguy: have you looked via groups.google.com (usenet)? |
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| 04:27.32 | zOrK | cl |
| 04:27.33 | dgc | dondelelcaro: that was it |
| 04:27.52 | dgc | dondelelcaro: tnx |
| 04:28.07 | dgc | . o O ( how silly is that ) |
| 04:28.36 | dondelelcaro | dgc: it's not, actually... tons of things have to parse the changelog... |
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| 04:29.12 | dgc | dondelelcaro: yeah, but I'd expect a better error message from the equivs-build proggy |
| 04:29.21 | alvherre | Does Debian have some weird firewall or something? |
| 04:29.24 | Lilguy | streuner, I'll try that now |
| 04:29.29 | streuner | ok |
| 04:29.35 | streuner | alvherre: no |
| 04:29.35 | alvherre | I'm finding some apps hang trying to connect to portmap ... |
| 04:29.36 | dondelelcaro | dgc: the error message isn't from equivs. It's from dpkg-parsechangelog |
| 04:29.39 | dgc | alvherre: if you want it to =+) |
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| 04:29.48 | streuner | alvherre: nfs prolly |
| 04:29.55 | alvherre | dgc, it's actually stock Sarge, installed yesterday |
| 04:29.55 | dondelelcaro | dgc: and if you're using it, you're expected to know what a valid changelog looks like. |
| 04:30.05 | alvherre | nope, no NFS here ... just plain local disk |
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| 04:30.39 | dgc | dondelelcaro: see, that's even worse; I mean, even when I write my own parsers for things I can't expect myself to remember the format |
| 04:31.13 | dgc | oh well |
| 04:31.33 | streuner | alvherre: debian doesn't install a firewall auto to your system |
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| 04:32.08 | alvherre | well ... this is what I see: inetd is running here |
| 04:32.16 | dgc | alvherre: what behavior has lead you to wonder about a firewall? |
| 04:32.16 | alvherre | listening on port 13 |
| 04:32.17 | streuner | DOH |
| 04:32.37 | dondelelcaro | dgc: the format is well documented... http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog |
| 04:32.37 | streuner | alvherre: feel free to disable it |
| 04:33.00 | alvherre | dgc, epiphany and galeon block if I try to write something on a textbox inside the Gecko widget |
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| 04:33.28 | alvherre | streuner, no, I was going to give an example of weird behavior |
| 04:33.39 | alvherre | ok, so inetd is running |
| 04:33.42 | alvherre | I strace it |
| 04:33.51 | alvherre | then I do a "telnet localhost 13" |
| 04:33.55 | alvherre | and nothing happens |
| 04:34.19 | alvherre | I expect inetd to fork to answer the request ... |
| 04:34.23 | alvherre | but the telnet process just hangs there |
| 04:34.42 | alvherre | if I strace the epiphany or galeon processes, I see the same behavior |
| 04:35.08 | alvherre | they connect() to the portmap port, but it never answers |
| 04:35.09 | dgc | dondelelcaro: there's a bug in that documentation: it doesn't specify the format of a valid email address, nor does it mention that the email address must be a legitimate one |
| 04:35.14 | alvherre | so they appear to be hung |
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| 04:36.10 | tictac_ | dah. once again, make-kpkg isnt building the initrd.img file |
| 04:36.12 | tictac_ | :( |
| 04:36.31 | Nurbs_ | --initrd? |
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