| 00:00.05 | PerfDave | prostat: you've killed your X server process? |
| 00:00.09 | prostat | yes |
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| 00:00.10 | PerfDave | prostat: And your login manager? |
| 00:00.21 | prostat | Every process created by the user. |
| 00:00.31 | PerfDave | prostat: The login manager won't be running as the user. |
| 00:00.33 | Phated | The login manager is not created by the user. |
| 00:00.38 | prostat | login manager? |
| 00:00.42 | paolo | PerfDave: Can you help me ? |
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| 00:00.46 | Phated | prostat: How are you starting X? |
| 00:00.48 | PerfDave | prostat: gdm or whatever |
| 00:00.57 | prostat | I user xfce4 and fluxbox, using xstartfce4 to run |
| 00:01.07 | prostat | use* |
| 00:01.12 | PerfDave | paolo: Do you have support for the filesystem or device in your kernel? |
| 00:01.17 | thomas_adam | prostat: Which does nothing more than a simple ./.xsession file wouldn't. |
| 00:01.22 | gothtec | Can I, running apache 1, somehow redirect http://address.to.my.webserver/magicthingy to another server and another port, like 192.168.1.200:5000 (which will have a webserver running), while keeping http://address.to.my.webserver/ like it is? |
| 00:01.30 | thomas_adam | prostat: Oddly enough that's what the program does - it creates one for you. |
| 00:01.51 | eruin | gothtec: check on .htaccess mod_rewrite |
| 00:01.58 | lewis | thomas_adam: ok, I have downloaded the package, and am extracting 110Mb of files... |
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| 00:02.00 | paolo | PerfDave: support for the filesystem ? |
| 00:02.02 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: you can run a proxy that does that... |
| 00:02.06 | lewis | (110Mb all to find out the CPU temp) |
| 00:02.20 | thomas_adam | lewis: You could just check the BIOS. :/ |
| 00:02.27 | PerfDave | paolo: Yes, support for the floppy filesystem you're using |
| 00:02.28 | rares000 | how do I get rss feeds in firefox? |
| 00:02.36 | lewis | thomas_adam: I want to find the temp remotely, and the BIOS doesn't show it |
| 00:02.40 | PerfDave | gothtec: mod_rewrite or something? |
| 00:02.40 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: rrr,, nevermind. Using mod_rewrite is the right way. Youll just Location: http://somehostname:someport |
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| 00:03.00 | gothtec | dondelelcaro: the idea is that from the outside, http://address.to.my.webserver/magicthingy will look like just another directory on the same webserver |
| 00:03.04 | PerfDave | rares000: ARe you running the 1.0 prerelease? |
| 00:03.16 | thomas_adam | gothtec: To which you should ask #apache |
| 00:03.22 | rares000 | where can I get that? |
| 00:03.23 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: that's a bit more complex to do. |
| 00:03.29 | paolo | PerfDave: This is my second time installing Debian, i can't get those term you are using |
| 00:03.31 | rares000 | as a .deb |
| 00:03.37 | eruin | you could do that with frames |
| 00:03.43 | gothtec | I'll ask #apache then, aye |
| 00:03.45 | thomas_adam | rares000: Juat download it. |
| 00:03.45 | eruin | btw, frames are HORRIBLE |
| 00:03.47 | Phated | rares000: WHAT? FFS, wait until FF 1.0 gets into Deb. |
| 00:03.57 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: what we're talking about is an actual redirection, but what you're asking for will probably require an actual proxy server. |
| 00:04.23 | Weeble | FF 1.0 ? |
| 00:04.26 | Weeble | that's ages away |
| 00:04.28 | Wibble- | PerfDave, thanks for the pointers - your help has got me much further than 2 weeks of struggling with apache-ssl has! (I've now got apache running on http:// AND https://!) |
| 00:04.28 | rares000 | hey Phated cheeel all right? |
| 00:04.34 | rares000 | :) |
| 00:04.37 | Gumby | gothtec: I know know about debian, but in other distros I've used DocumentRoot is in commonhttpd.conf |
| 00:04.40 | Phated | Weeble: Nope. |
| 00:04.51 | Weeble | nope? |
| 00:04.59 | Weeble | but the thing's poop! |
| 00:05.13 | dondelelcaro | gothtec: there's loads of advantages of being able to write your own RequestHandler at the drop of a hat |
| 00:05.15 | lewis | thomas_adam: ok - ready? |
| 00:05.20 | Phated | Weeble: Dude I'm using it already. Granted, I downloaded it off the mox.org site, but that's not the point. |
| 00:05.21 | vittorio | anyone successfully running 2.6 kernel from backports.org on woody? |
| 00:05.22 | PerfDave | paolo: Are you sure the floppy is still good? Can you mount it on the other Debian machine? |
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| 00:05.48 | guestish | hola |
| 00:05.50 | rares000 | !experimental |
| 00:05.50 | dpkg | from memory, experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental, you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Pin-Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
| 00:05.52 | guestish | whats up? |
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| 00:06.01 | thomas_adam | lewis: Go. |
| 00:06.01 | guestish | rares000: ew, what brought that up? |
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| 00:06.09 | lewis | thomas_adam: ./start.sh: line 268: /sbin/lspci: No such file or directory |
| 00:06.09 | paolo | PerfDave: Yes. I put a file on it, then I open it again on the flopppy |
| 00:06.17 | thomas_adam | lewis: install pciutils |
| 00:06.28 | Nyle | i feel totally fucked up, this new med got me man im a zombie now |
| 00:06.34 | _bryce | is there a howto on the route command? |
| 00:06.35 | thomas_adam | lewis: best also to run it as 'root'. |
| 00:06.41 | thomas_adam | _bryce: man route |
| 00:06.47 | Nyle | i passed out for 3 hours and now i wake up and im feeling like shit |
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| 00:06.54 | Phated | Nyle: So go back to fucking bed. |
| 00:06.54 | lewis | thomas_adam: running as root already, pciutils already installed |
| 00:06.55 | thomas_adam | Nyle: What meds? |
| 00:07.02 | lewis | install pciutils-dev? |
| 00:07.05 | thomas_adam | lewis: upload the script so I can see it. |
| 00:07.28 | _bryce | thomas_adam: that's not even funny. Man route is the `worst. manpage. ever.' It clearly assumes that you already know how to use it and have forgotten the syntax or switches. |
| 00:07.40 | PerfDave | paolo: You've tried mounting the floppy in the first machine since it didn't work in the second? |
| 00:07.51 | Phated | _bryce: I believe the man said man 5 interfaces. |
| 00:07.54 | lewis | thomas_adam: http://www.SaintsServers.com/~lewis/start.sh |
| 00:08.02 | PerfDave | _bryce: info route |
| 00:08.03 | lewis | oops - one sec |
| 00:08.03 | thomas_adam | _bryce: Pfft. It's a networking concept - so if you don't understand where it is used, you're fucked. |
| 00:08.10 | PerfDave | _bryce: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:08.20 | paolo | PerfDave: It worked on the first one. But in the second one it didn't |
| 00:08.26 | _bryce | thomas_adam: that's the point, I don't know what it's used for, i'm looking for a document to tell me that. |
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| 00:08.36 | stew | worst manpage ever? |
| 00:08.37 | PerfDave | paolo: Yes, have you tried it on the first one again? |
| 00:08.39 | lewis | thomas_adam: http://www.saintsservers.com/~lewis/start.txt <- though it is start.sh for me |
| 00:08.43 | _bryce | PerfDave: I am trying to get a debian machine to connect to the lan. |
| 00:08.54 | paolo | PerfDave: I'm doing it |
| 00:08.56 | PerfDave | _bryce: So why are you using route? |
| 00:09.07 | PerfDave | _bryce: Just set the address or DHCP in /etc/interfaces and use ifup |
| 00:09.07 | _bryce | PerfDave: it didn't do it automaticly? |
| 00:09.18 | vaelek | why is it if I am at 1280x1024 I can see the entire desktop, but if i switch to anything lower than that I get a virtual resoluion? |
| 00:09.32 | _bryce | okay... |
| 00:09.46 | stew | _bryce: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
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| 00:09.50 | paolo | PerfDave: It worked on the first machine too |
| 00:09.52 | Phated | vaelek: Use xrandr to switch resolutions. Less painful. |
| 00:09.56 | thomas_adam | lewis: add "-xv" to the end of the #!/bin/sh line, this: "#!/bin/sh -xv", and run the command again, this time capture the output snd upload that, hence: ./start.sh &> ./output.txt |
| 00:10.12 | paolo | PerfDave: but i've tried another floppy and it mounted ok |
| 00:10.24 | PerfDave | paolo: The other floppy mounted OK on the second machine? |
| 00:10.45 | PerfDave | vaelek: How are you switching resolution? |
| 00:10.48 | lewis | ok |
| 00:10.53 | vaelek | ctl-alt-+/- |
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| 00:11.01 | Phated | vaelek: As stated, use xrandr. |
| 00:11.02 | prostat | PerfDave, Phated and thomas_adam: So, is there any other advice you may be able to offer to reset my display without the need for a reboot? |
| 00:11.11 | PerfDave | vaelek: That's the way those commands work. |
| 00:11.16 | Phated | prostat: Dude, I was never involed in your convo. :/ |
| 00:11.21 | thomas_adam | prostat: Wha? |
| 00:11.23 | PerfDave | prostat: I'm afraid I can't think of any. |
| 00:11.52 | PerfDave | vaelek: If you're using KDE, use "Screen Size and Rotate" control in the System section of the KDE menu. |
| 00:11.54 | vaelek | 800x600 was fine before I added higher resolutions, then everything below the topmost went virtual on me |
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| 00:12.00 | prostat | PerfDave: Darn. I was hoping to avoid a reboot. |
| 00:12.06 | lewis | thomas_adam: http://www.SaintsServers.com/~lewis/output.txt |
| 00:12.07 | PerfDave | prostat: Can't think of anything, soz. |
| 00:12.10 | paolo | PerfDave: Yes |
| 00:12.21 | Phated | vaelek: Yes, that happens, I know. It happens here too. For the love of god and sanity, apt-get install xrandr and USE IT. |
| 00:12.26 | PerfDave | Bah, supertux sucks. |
| 00:12.39 | PerfDave | paolo: Then use the second floppy ;) |
| 00:12.43 | Phated | PerfDave: I'm placing a bet on you sucking at it. :) |
| 00:12.43 | vaelek | E: Couldn't find package xrandr |
| 00:12.51 | Phated | vaelek: Hm. |
| 00:12.53 | Phated | Hang on. |
| 00:12.57 | prostat | Phated: Sorry man, I thought you asked how I started X. And thomas_adam, I added you in because you mentioned about .xsession. |
| 00:13.02 | Gumby | vaelek: its your X config file |
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| 00:13.11 | PerfDave | !find xrandr |
| 00:13.15 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xrandr' (3 shown): libxrandr-dev ;; libxrandr2 ;; libxrandr2-dbg. |
| 00:13.18 | Phated | prostat: Ahh, true. My bad. But no, I'm afrais I can't think of anything. |
| 00:13.20 | vaelek | Gumby I'm aware of this, but I don't know what is causing it mate :) |
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| 00:13.34 | Phated | vaelek: In that case just type xrandr in an xshell. |
| 00:14.07 | vaelek | Phated i dont have xrandr |
| 00:14.07 | Phated | vaelek: Then you'll see along the leftmost column some numbers. Select the res you want, then type xrandr -s <numberofres> |
| 00:14.13 | nz | hey, can some one explain how to check my ext3 file system for errors please.. |
| 00:14.14 | paolo | PerfDave: Thanks !! |
| 00:14.17 | PerfDave | vaelek: X automatically sets the desktop size to the biggest screen resolution. Ctrl-Alt-plus and minus change the X server resolution, not the desktop size. |
| 00:14.20 | Gumby | vaelek: I forget where it is, but something in the X config file will have virtual desktop smaller than the resolution you are trying to run. Post your config on pastebin |
| 00:14.24 | Phated | vaelek: Hold one. :) |
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| 00:14.34 | PerfDave | nz: fsck |
| 00:14.36 | Narkerbyt | has anyone used SDL into GTK ? |
| 00:15.30 | Phated | vaelek: Try installing libxrandr2. |
| 00:15.33 | PerfDave | /usr/X11R6/bin/xrandr is in xbase-clients which vaelek should already have installed.. |
| 00:15.42 | Phated | Hmph. |
| 00:15.45 | thomas_adam | lewis: + '[' '!' -e /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 ']' <-- RH-ism |
| 00:15.49 | nz | PerfDave, i'm not sure how to use it, i tried fsck -t ext3 /dev/hdg1 |
| 00:15.52 | Phated | vaelek: Can ou just try hitting xrandr in an xshell? |
| 00:15.56 | Phated | xterm. |
| 00:16.03 | PerfDave | nz: man fsck |
| 00:16.07 | lewis | thomas_adam: obviously (er yeh) - so what should I do? |
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| 00:16.24 | thomas_adam | !+find libstdc++ |
| 00:16.26 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libstdc++' (15 shown; 17 total): libstdc++2.10-dbg ;; libstdc++2.10-dev ;; libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 ;; libstdc++5 ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dbg ;; libstdc++5-3.3-dev ;; libstdc++5-3.3-doc ;; libstdc++5-3.3-pic ;; libstdc++5-dbg ;; libstdc++5-dev ;; libstdc++5-doc ;; libstdc++5-pic ;; libstdc++6 ;; libstdc++6-dbg ;; libstdc++6-dev. |
| 00:16.27 | vaelek | Phated : xrandr: command not found |
| 00:16.39 | lewis | btw, I do not want the OMSA web server |
| 00:16.40 | Phated | vaelek: Then install libxrandr2. |
| 00:16.49 | thomas_adam | vaelek: as root |
| 00:16.51 | PerfDave | vaelek: Have you done something wierd like not installed X from Debian packages? |
| 00:16.52 | vaelek | damn copy/paste isn't working right either, it's only doing the 1st letter Gumby |
| 00:16.58 | thomas_adam | vaelek: Also your monitor has ti support it. |
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| 00:17.04 | Phated | thomas_adam: xrandr doesn't need to run as root. |
| 00:17.04 | PerfDave | vaelek: "apt-get install xbase-clients" may fix it |
| 00:17.13 | Gumby | vaelek: lol. ouch |
| 00:17.14 | thomas_adam | Phated: I know. |
| 00:17.14 | lewis | so, running './start.sh -noinstallweb' is fine with me |
| 00:17.15 | vaelek | PerfDave no i used the packages, only non-debian thing i have is nvidia drivers |
| 00:17.22 | Phated | thomas_adam: Ah, misunderstanding. |
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| 00:17.44 | PerfDave | vaelek: Well, I've got xrandr, it's from xbase-clients (in sid anyway) |
| 00:17.47 | Gumby | vaelek: just highlighting isnt copying properly? |
| 00:18.03 | PerfDave | vaelek: Are you using KDE? |
| 00:18.06 | Phated | vaelek: I have xrandr too. |
| 00:18.23 | vaelek | Gumby nope, and if i do edit|copy and paste into the browser i get the 1st letter only, I am in gnome atm |
| 00:18.25 | PerfDave | Hmm, xrandr isn't in Woody... |
| 00:18.40 | Gumby | vaelek: just highlight the text, then middle click to paste |
| 00:18.43 | PerfDave | vaelek: Are you running Woody? |
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| 00:19.09 | vaelek | PerfDave yes |
| 00:19.17 | Phated | OK, there's our answer. |
| 00:19.29 | lewis | thomas_adam: what are you thinking? |
| 00:19.35 | vaelek | Gumby ok that's working |
| 00:19.43 | PerfDave | vaelek: Ah, the version of X in Woody doesn't have xrandr support, it seems. |
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| 00:20.07 | thomas_adam | lewis: I'm wondering why Xtrealise(app); is not releasing my widget. |
| 00:20.12 | nz | how do i make debian check the a hard disk on next reboot ? |
| 00:20.27 | lewis | thomas_adam: oh right |
| 00:20.38 | thomas_adam | Ah, that would be the Americans controlling every single piece of shit. |
| 00:20.45 | thomas_adam | if they could spell, it would help. |
| 00:21.13 | vaelek | Gumby : http://www.pastebin.com/110685 |
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| 00:21.33 | florz | nz: touch /forcefsck |
| 00:21.44 | nz | florz, tnx alot |
| 00:21.44 | PerfDave | nz: Why do you want to do that? |
| 00:22.18 | nz | PerfDave, um, its because i cant get fsck to check my hdd |
| 00:22.41 | Gumby | vaelek: hrm, looks good |
| 00:22.41 | Rez | mentor: my friend's company made /. about 50 minutes ago for their infiniband stuff :) |
| 00:23.01 | PerfDave | nz: Is that because it's mounted, perchance? |
| 00:23.12 | nz | PerfDave, its not mounted |
| 00:23.18 | PerfDave | Hmm, I was talking to somebody about Infiniband earlier, he thinks it sucks ;) |
| 00:23.30 | Rez | PerfDave: makes stuff go fast |
| 00:23.34 | PerfDave | nz: So why can't you fsck it? |
| 00:23.37 | PerfDave | Rez: Until it falls over. |
| 00:24.08 | PerfDave | Rez: Talk to directhex about Infiniband, he's got some experience with it. |
| 00:24.09 | nz | PerfDave, it keeps coming back with a ussage list, i think i'm not running it properly |
| 00:24.21 | PerfDave | nz: So RTFmanpage :) |
| 00:24.23 | Rez | PerfDave: so does my friend. she sets up clusters all over the us with it. |
| 00:24.25 | thomas_adam | lewis: The file it fails on will be a symlink to one of the main .so libs for libstdc++<foo> that exist in Debian. |
| 00:24.45 | nz | PerfDave, i did, i ran it like it said |
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| 00:25.08 | nz | PerfDave, fsck -C -t ext3 /dev/hdg1 |
| 00:25.10 | PerfDave | Rez: That's nice for her. Shame she's using something that sucks ;) |
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| 00:25.25 | PerfDave | nz: Yes, and read the manpage to work out why that doesn't work. |
| 00:25.26 | Rez | PerfDave: she works for voltaire |
| 00:25.34 | PerfDave | Rez: That's nice for her. |
| 00:26.44 | vaelek | anyone have a trackman marble wheel usb mouse? I FINALLY got it working but the wheel isn't doing anything? |
| 00:27.18 | teratorn | vaelek: does xev see it? |
| 00:27.22 | sussudio | the wheel on the mouse goes round and round round and round round and round |
| 00:27.24 | epitron | is there a site with a big index of people's independant apt-get sources? |
| 00:27.59 | sussudio | epitron: yes, there is |
| 00:28.03 | PerfDave | epitron: http://www.apt-get.org/ |
| 00:28.07 | Nyle | vaelek, in your X config file go to the section of input devices, your mouse, and do something like Z-Axis Mapping " 4 5 ", i know someone else knows what i'm talking about. that usually helps |
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| 00:28.14 | vaelek | teratorn um. i dont know how to tell |
| 00:28.23 | philips | Where is the NTFS resizing menu in the debian-install rc1? |
| 00:28.25 | teratorn | run xev |
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| 00:28.37 | lewis | thomas_adam: ok... |
| 00:28.37 | epitron | sussudio / PerfDave : thanks! :) |
| 00:28.39 | teratorn | vaelek: see if the buttons make xev tell you things |
| 00:28.41 | sussudio | NTFS resizing menu? |
| 00:28.41 | vaelek | Nyle already got it |
| 00:28.44 | teratorn | err the wheel |
| 00:28.47 | PerfDave | philips: #debian-boot |
| 00:28.52 | florz | Does anyone in here have a clue how I could get the kernel to correctly chose the source address for outgoing connections from a router using fwmark based policy routing? |
| 00:29.01 | philips | PerfDave: thx |
| 00:29.04 | philips | sussudio: thx |
| 00:29.05 | PerfDave | philips: I doubt that d-i can resize NTFS though, since it's a propriatery heap of junk. |
| 00:29.07 | vaelek | teratorn what switches do i start it with? |
| 00:29.15 | teratorn | none |
| 00:29.23 | vaelek | xev: unable to open display '' |
| 00:29.25 | philips | PerfDave: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2004/20040930 |
| 00:29.29 | philips | PerfDave: second bullet |
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| 00:29.38 | teratorn | vaelek: from within X |
| 00:29.50 | PerfDave | philips: Fair enough, my bad. I didn't think that anything other than PartitionMagic could resize NTFS. |
| 00:30.03 | PerfDave | Ooh, does this mean we'll see NTFS resize support in Knoppix? *drool* |
| 00:30.17 | vaelek | ok, i have a window with a box in the corner that is doing nothing at all |
| 00:30.17 | Nyle | ahh cliffs of dover |
| 00:30.17 | PerfDave | philips: Uhm, that's a feature list for pre-rc2, not for rc1 |
| 00:30.22 | Nyle | sweet guitar work |
| 00:30.35 | teratorn | vaelek: when the xev window has focus, it tells you about all the events it receives |
| 00:30.41 | philips | PerfDave: I hold here in my hand the iso |
| 00:30.48 | teratorn | vaelek: thus you can see if your wheel causes X events to be generated |
| 00:30.52 | philips | PerfDave: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/i386/pre-rc2/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 00:31.06 | vaelek | teratorn it'd be nice if it did heh.. but it's not doing anything at all, there's just a little box in the corner of the xev window |
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| 00:31.22 | PerfDave | philips: That's not what you asked |
| 00:31.27 | PerfDave | 01:29 < philips> Where is the NTFS resizing menu in the debian-install rc1? |
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| 00:31.36 | teratorn | vaelek: um, run it in a terminal? |
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| 00:31.47 | bas_ | florz, the first ip address in the same subnet will be used as source |
| 00:31.49 | rich_ | vaelek you put your mouse cursor in the little box |
| 00:31.51 | vaelek | teratorn i run it in a terminal it says unable to open display |
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| 00:32.12 | teratorn | vaelek: NO, nOT A VC, an X terminal emulator! |
| 00:32.19 | vaelek | rich_: i've clicked the hell out of it, in all possible places, it's doing nothing |
| 00:32.50 | vaelek | ahah |
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| 00:33.09 | vaelek | ok, everythign except the wheel is registering |
| 00:33.10 | teratorn | ahah! |
| 00:33.13 | teratorn | ok |
| 00:33.20 | teratorn | X isn't configured right |
| 00:33.28 | teratorn | (of course) |
| 00:33.30 | vaelek | teratorn gee. |
| 00:33.31 | vaelek | :) |
| 00:33.46 | lewis | hey again |
| 00:33.47 | florz | bas_: In the same subnet as what? |
| 00:33.57 | teratorn | hey, it could have been generating the /wrong/ events |
| 00:34.14 | bas_ | same subnet as the gateway |
| 00:34.22 | bas_ | florz same subnet as the gateway |
| 00:34.55 | florz | bas_: Hu? How can a gateway be on a single subnet?! |
| 00:34.55 | crist0 | how do I install gtkmm ? just type apt-get install gtkmm ?? |
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| 00:35.49 | bas_ | florz, I think I'm not understanding your initial question |
| 00:35.57 | thomas_adam | crist0: Why don't you try it, ffs? |
| 00:36.13 | florz | bas_: What is it that you don't understand, then? |
| 00:36.17 | Gumby | http://ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54 |
| 00:36.32 | bas_ | florz, you want to route traffic from your machine to a router, and you want to tell the kernel to use a specific source ip addres? |
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| 00:37.10 | crist0 | thomas_adam, ok ^_^ |
| 00:37.20 | florz | bas_: Nope, I'm speaking of connections originating at the router |
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| 00:37.47 | bas_ | florz, ok so packets comming from the router to ??? |
| 00:38.22 | florz | bas_: well, to somewhere else =:-) |
| 00:39.23 | bas_ | florz, I still dont get the question.... the packets leaving will have the source address of the machine creating the packets right? |
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| 00:40.28 | florz | bas_: Erm, yes and no. Yes, they will have one of the addresses of the machine as their source address. |
| 00:41.29 | AlbertEin_ZaYa | sorry does anybody knows what will be the name of the debian vercion that is going to be testing when sarge becomes stable ? |
| 00:41.34 | florz | bas_: Normally the first one of the interface the packet is leaving the machine through. |
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| 00:41.49 | nvz | AlbertEin_ZaYa: etch |
| 00:41.50 | bas_ | when it it the second? |
| 00:42.03 | AlbertEin_ZaYa | nvz, etch ?? |
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| 00:42.10 | florz | bas_: ? |
| 00:42.19 | nvz | AlbertEin_ZaYa: yes Etch |
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| 00:42.26 | abrotman | !etch |
| 00:42.26 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 00:42.35 | abrotman | thomas_a1am: brats! |
| 00:42.36 | AlbertEin_ZaYa | nvz, thanks |
| 00:42.37 | Oasis | Hi, do I need to download the DNS package during package installation in order to get online or is that more for setting up a server? |
| 00:42.53 | abrotman | Oasis: you can't do dns lookups? |
| 00:42.57 | thomas_a1am | abrotman: ? |
| 00:43.05 | bas_ | florz, you said normally a packet has source address the same as the first IP address on a interface... I want to know when the second IP address of a interface is the source |
| 00:43.05 | abrotman | thomas_a1am: i'm making brats tomorrow :) |
| 00:43.19 | thomas_adam | Cool. |
| 00:43.20 | abrotman | thomas_adam: having connectivity issues? |
| 00:43.21 | Oasis | abrotman: I have that DHCP setup. |
| 00:43.24 | thomas_adam | Yes. |
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| 00:43.32 | florz | bas_: Dunno, I don't think that ever happens. |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | Oasis: you don't want bind unless you are setting up a dns server |
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| 00:43.50 | Oasis | abrotman: What do you mean? |
| 00:43.54 | abrotman | !bind |
| 00:43.55 | dpkg | it has been said that bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/view.cgi?/products/BIND/index.phtml, or read the brilliant docs at http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf. |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | !dns |
| 00:43.57 | dpkg | dns is, like, the domain name service. This service maps TCP/IP numerical addresses such as 123.12.4.245 to a name, such as microshaft.com. Thus when you lookup microshaft.com, it goes out to the appropriate DNS servers and asks for a TCP/IP address which corresponds to the domain name. If it finds a DNS entry for the name you typed in, that is returned. If not, an error is returned. or if you want a hostname for your dynamic ip, ask me about dhis. #dns |
| 00:44.16 | Qapf | !porn |
| 00:44.44 | dpkg | i heard porn is see pr0n |
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| 00:44.44 | bas_ | florz, but in your first question you asked how to control the source addres.... I said the source address will allways be the first ip address on a interface |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | Qapf: i recommend gamp |
| 00:44.44 | Qapf | lol |
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| 00:44.47 | Oasis | abrotman: So, I don't need the DNS package just for regular internet use, correct? |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | Oasis: nope |
| 00:45.09 | abrotman | Oasis: is your network dhcp? |
| 00:45.23 | ken | something funky happened... all my apps that use gtk lost their font. i.e. letters are all little boxes. Has anyone seen this before? |
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| 00:45.32 | abrotman | !gtk font |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | !gtk1 font |
| 00:45.39 | florz | bas_: Well, that probably is true. But when using fwmark-based policy routing, it's not the first ip address of the interface the packet is going through. |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | grr |
| 00:45.42 | kombi | sarge's installer won't let me create a software raid larger than 30 GB, are there limitations of any kind? |
| 00:45.47 | abrotman | !listkeys gtk |
| 00:45.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gtk' by key (15 shown; 36 total): gtk font change ;; gtk-theme ;; licq-gtk ;; gtkmozembed.h ;; dpkg says rep-gtk ;; gtk-config ;; gtk-gnutella ;; gtk2 font ;; global gtk-2.0 ;; vim-gtk ;; php-gtk ;; gtk2.pm ;; gtk+ ;; gtk ;; perl-gtk. |
| 00:45.57 | abrotman | !gtk font change |
| 00:45.57 | dpkg | somebody said gtk font change was switch from the gtk-theme-switch package for gtk1 apps, switch2 from the same for gtk2. |
| 00:46.03 | abrotman | kombi: #debian-boot |
| 00:46.13 | abrotman | that's still not right |
| 00:46.22 | CLI | ken, not me, are you using experimental or something, or have upgraded lately? |
| 00:46.34 | abrotman | !gtk fontsize |
| 00:46.34 | dpkg | gtk fontsize is probably the .gtkrc file format has changed, so switch doesn't fix font sizes in gtk1.x apps. Instead, copy a file from /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$LOCALE to ~/.gtkrc and replace the specified font with whatever you like. |
| 00:46.36 | Qapf | !pr0n |
| 00:46.36 | dpkg | methinks pr0n is porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 00:46.42 | bas_ | florz, can you give an example? interface ips? and their gatewayips? |
| 00:46.53 | kombi | abrotman: stupid as I am, what does #debian-boot mean..? |
| 00:46.56 | ken | i'm running stable dist, but have started to use some packages lately |
| 00:46.59 | Qapf | lol, porn-get? |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | kombi: /j #debian-boot |
| 00:47.22 | nvz | Qapf: its a joke, see the website |
| 00:47.34 | kombi | ahem, shall I type that into my epic? |
| 00:47.34 | CLI | ken, try apt-get upgrading and see if that fixes it |
| 00:47.36 | nvz | Qapf: and try to resist the temptation to be offtopic. |
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| 00:47.42 | abrotman | kombi: yes |
| 00:47.43 | ken | iirc, it was dillo, freeciv-gtk... |
| 00:47.44 | CLI | or reinstall xfonts-base |
| 00:47.46 | kombi | thx! |
| 00:47.47 | abrotman | kombi: it's another channel |
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| 00:48.44 | kombi | ..where absolutely nobody hangs out.. |
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| 00:48.48 | florz | bas_: well, let's say you have two ppp interfaces, one is 10.0.0.1 (ptp peer 10.0.0.2), the other 10.1.0.1 (ptp peer 10.1.0.2), both ptp peers can be used to reach the same networks |
| 00:48.58 | abrotman | kombi: there's quite a few people there |
| 00:49.05 | bas_ | florz, ok |
| 00:49.05 | lewis | thomas_adam: found this - https://portal.aero.und.edu/twiki/bin/view/Know/DebianLinuxDellOMSALong - might be what i want |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | kombi: it's #debian-boot |
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| 00:50.27 | thomas_adam | lewis: Looks good. |
| 00:50.37 | lewis | thomas_adam: basically, telling me to install libpam-stack, libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1 and xlibs |
| 00:50.44 | lewis | those three programs make any sense? |
| 00:50.46 | ken | CLI: I'm afraid that reinstalling would require me to remove quite a large number of packages that have dependencies, etc. |
| 00:50.49 | thomas_adam | lewis: Yes. |
| 00:50.56 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you've been here for a whole 5 minutes without getting kicked :) |
| 00:51.09 | ken | abrotman: thanks, I'll look into gtkrc |
| 00:51.09 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.25 | CLI | abrotman, that pr0n downloader is kind of sick... |
| 00:51.29 | florz | bas_: Now, when a packet originates from the router that has these two ppp interfaces, it is decided in some way, which interface the packet will be sent through - and that interface's address should be used as the source address for that packet |
| 00:51.42 | abrotman | CLI: i know nothing of it |
| 00:52.02 | nvz | abrotman: when has thomas_adam ever been kicked? |
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| 00:52.20 | CLI | ken, dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base to reload them? I'm not the one with the problem! fine |
| 00:52.21 | bas_ | and you want to speify which ppp interface is used for a specific destination? |
| 00:52.28 | bas_ | florz, and you want to speify which ppp interface is used for a specific destination? |
| 00:53.04 | thomas_adam | nvz: Talk to me, rather than in the third-person. |
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| 00:53.16 | abrotman | nvz: his isp is flaky today |
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| 00:53.26 | nvz | thomas_adam: I wasnt talking to you that I knew of ;) |
| 00:53.31 | weeeeeee | I apt-got install mmv, but don't know how to rename all .htm to .html ? :/ |
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| 00:53.44 | thomas_adam | nvz: No, you're just being a nosey sod. |
| 00:53.47 | ken | Problem solved. I simply renamed my .gtkrc to .gtkrc-bak... and the default fonts are back. Thanks! |
| 00:53.50 | weeeeeee | how do you rename all .html to .htm ? |
| 00:53.55 | thomas_adam | nvz: You could just ask *me* whether I have or not. |
| 00:54.03 | florz | bas_: Yes and no. Yes, for some packets, but that does not cause any problems. What causes problems is routing based on fwmark, which for example marks by port number. |
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| 00:54.30 | nvz | thomas_adam: I thought by kicked he meant like kicked out of the channel by an op, which I never seen happen before |
| 00:54.32 | vaelek | is there any messenger clients for gnome like trillian? supporting multiple im networks? |
| 00:54.39 | abrotman | vaelek: gaim |
| 00:54.40 | thomas_adam | weeeeeee: rename 's/.html$/.htm$/' *.html |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:55.23 | thomas_adam | weeeeeee: You might have to escape the '.'s. \.html$, for example. |
| 00:55.33 | abrotman | vaelek: as an FYI .. gaim also runs on windows |
| 00:55.42 | lewis | thomas_adam: argh |
| 00:55.45 | weeeeeee | thanks thomas_adam :) saved my life ! |
| 00:55.54 | bas_ | florz, ahh.. so if fwmark "tags" a packet as destination port 80 you want to use ppp1 instead of ppp0, and all packets with dest port 25 tu use ppp0 as gw device? |
| 00:56.16 | florz | bas_: exactly :-) |
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| 00:56.55 | bas_ | florz, ok.. now I get it... ;-) not exactly my cup of tea, but letme have alook |
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| 00:57.07 | florz | bas_: *g* |
| 00:57.10 | vaelek | what does this mean: Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library .. that's what i get when i try to start gaim |
| 00:57.42 | vaelek | nevermind |
| 00:57.48 | abrotman | vaelek: you got it? |
| 00:57.50 | thomas_adam | lewis: ? |
| 00:58.11 | nvz | vaelek: well being that its a general warning its not too serious, but it means what it says. you have not compiled the local that is set |
| 00:58.12 | Nyle | i think xmms just froze up |
| 00:58.18 | vaelek | abrotman yea i didn't notice it added an icon to the bar at the bottom, thought it was just hung |
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| 00:58.45 | nvz | vaelek: or havent installed locales.. which is the cause of the effect you mentioned usually. |
| 00:58.57 | lewis | thomas_adam: yeh - i am pissed off |
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| 00:59.13 | lewis | thomas_adam: the guide looks great, it is meant to be EXACTLY what i want, and thus should work |
| 00:59.16 | nvz | lewis: never helps, but its better to be pissed off than pissed on. |
| 01:00.02 | jcole | what browser is included in gnome? epiphany or galeon? |
| 01:00.06 | vipersniper | does sarge come with the 2.6 kerenl |
| 01:00.12 | abrotman | vipersniper: yes |
| 01:00.12 | vaelek | jcole mozilla |
| 01:00.14 | lewis | https://portal.aero.und.edu/twiki/bin/view/Know/DebianLinuxDellOMSALong - it looks so perfect |
| 01:00.15 | Nyle | vipersniper, yes |
| 01:00.16 | tsadi | hi! how do i know whether certain packages in sarge have bugs that's keeping it from getting release? |
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| 01:00.36 | tsadi | where can i find this list? |
| 01:00.36 | Nyle | tsadi, thats why its testing :) |
| 01:00.37 | abrotman | jcole: in gnome? .. whatever you install .. epiphany is formally part of gnome |
| 01:00.41 | Nyle | there is no list |
| 01:00.51 | bas_ | florz, im not sure.. but I think this page describes what you want http://www.shorewall.net/1.4/Shorewall_Squid_Usage.html |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | tsadi: bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 01:01.03 | lewis | thomas_adam: pm me if you have any ideas, I need to sleep |
| 01:01.14 | florz | bas_: erm, to be exact: I want to use the respective ppp interface and also the interface's ip address as source address. The former works fine - packets are sent through the interface I want them to go through. Just that the source address is not the one of that interface |
| 01:01.19 | jcole | abrotman: ah, ok, got it... installing gnome 2.8 via source on another system... |
| 01:01.22 | vittorio | PerfDave, fwiw, found out the solution. also put kernel-2.6 from backports.org in sources.list. and ide-generic was missing in /etc/modules for ide detection |
| 01:01.23 | florz | bas_: Lemme have a look ... |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | jcole: on a debian box? |
| 01:01.39 | PerfDave | vittorio: Fair enough |
| 01:01.42 | lewis | night night |
| 01:01.52 | jcole | abrotman: sort of, gnoppix remaster... |
| 01:01.57 | tsadi | thanks abrotman |
| 01:02.02 | vaelek | gah, gaim only does aim/icq? what is TOC? |
| 01:02.14 | abrotman | jcole: try ubuntu |
| 01:02.27 | jcole | abrotman: ok |
| 01:02.39 | abrotman | jcole: it comes with gnome2.8 |
| 01:03.10 | vaelek | nm. found the plugins :) |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | vaelek: it does everything trillium does afaik |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | !trillium |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | dpkg: hello? |
| 01:03.56 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
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| 01:04.35 | jcole | abrotman: btw, say i have 2000 debian packages i want to select to install... is there a debian site where i can virtually select them and see the dependency/conflict problems, etc. ? |
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| 01:04.52 | abrotman | jcole: really .. look at ubunut |
| 01:04.54 | PerfDave | jcole: apt-get --simulate install |
| 01:04.54 | abrotman | ubuntu |
| 01:05.02 | PerfDave | abrotman: You're cruel |
| 01:05.21 | jcole | lol |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | PerfDave: ? |
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| 01:05.44 | tsadi | abrotman, if a package is not listed in bugs.debian.org/release-critical, does that mean that the present package will make it to stable unchanged? (given no new bugs are discovered that is) |
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| 01:06.00 | abrotman | tsadi: bugs.debian.org/pkgname |
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| 01:06.09 | abrotman | tsadi: yes .. that is what it could mean .. |
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| 01:06.12 | PerfDave | abrotman: Why are you suggesting that jcole should run ubuntu? |
| 01:06.23 | abrotman | tsadi: they could introduce a new version with bugs |
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| 01:06.35 | abrotman | PerfDave: becuase he's ocmpiling gnome2.8 on a knoppix-ish box? |
| 01:06.49 | abrotman | and ubuntu comes with gnome2.8 |
| 01:06.51 | abrotman | good enough? |
| 01:06.52 | initech | jcole: apt-get install tells you that, but I assume you want something prettier <?> |
| 01:07.01 | PerfDave | What's that got to do with Debian? ;) |
| 01:07.06 | PerfDave | Debian comes with gnome 2.8 too. |
| 01:07.12 | tsadi | abrotman, thanks again! |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | PerfDave: what does knoppix have to do with debian? |
| 01:07.18 | bas_ | florz, ehh...? I only just read your before last remark: So you allready control traffic based on criteria per ppp interface? but the problem is that even though traffic goes through ppp0 it still has the source address of ppp1? |
| 01:07.23 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | jcole: you can install gnome2.8 on debian too |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | PerfDave: happy now? |
| 01:07.49 | jcole | haha |
| 01:07.49 | florz | bas_: Yep, exactly |
| 01:07.59 | abrotman | !tell jcole about gnome2.8 |
| 01:08.00 | bas_ | florz, hmmmmm |
| 01:08.06 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yes, what has Knoppix got to do with Debian? |
| 01:08.12 | jorgp | I would be happy if installing subversion was not broken |
| 01:08.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: not a freaking clue |
| 01:08.15 | k-god | OT: is anyone familiar with 'Doze virus scanners and how they active scan? I'm looking for something like clamav on 'Doze (samba hosted), but am curious about the active scanning functionality. |
| 01:08.26 | florz | bas_: Which is why it seems that URL doesn't help me, as it seems to deal with forwarded packets only |
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| 01:08.50 | bas_ | florz, indeed... Only now do I fully underastand your question |
| 01:09.00 | Lisco | could anyone tell me where to find information on installing a kernel patch? |
| 01:09.05 | initech | k-god: I'm pretty sure clam-av does not have that capability yet, check the docs |
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| 01:09.06 | abrotman | PerfDave: i just thought i'd be nice enough to point him to ubuntu |
| 01:09.57 | bas_ | and the machine running fwmark... is it a gateway (router) for other machines behind it? or is it the sole machine? |
| 01:10.01 | bas_ | florz, and the machine running fwmark... is it a gateway (router) for other machines behind it? or is it the sole machine? |
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| 01:10.14 | jcole | PerfDave & abrotman: thx for the info =) |
| 01:10.58 | michal_ | hi.. just a little warning.. the instructions for installing gnome 2.8 with aptitude will VERY likely SCREW your system.. removed virtually every package i had installed.. now to my question |
| 01:11.09 | abrotman | PerfDave: when he comes back asking about experimental .. i'm sending him to you |
| 01:11.11 | michal_ | what is the paramater in apt-get to install an older version of a package? |
| 01:11.14 | jeaneid | I just built the 2.6.6 kernel, and rebooted . The window graphics breaks down after a while. I think the window screen halts but the kerenel is still booting. does anyone know about this |
| 01:11.18 | k-god | initech: Yeah, I'm curious about just how that's done. I'm thinking some sort of filesystem intermediation. |
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| 01:11.28 | abrotman | michal_: yeah .. wifitux made me put them there |
| 01:12.25 | florz | bas_: Depends on how you mean it. It does routing (forwarding and masquerading) for other machines, too, yes. Routing forwarded packets to the different ppp interfaces works fine though, and masquerading works fine, too. |
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| 01:12.30 | abrotman | michal_: go to snapshot.debian.net .. manually instla it |
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| 01:12.49 | abrotman | install even |
| 01:12.58 | florz | bas_: (using fwmark, that is) |
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| 01:13.15 | tam | ~xorg |
| 01:13.17 | michal_ | abrotman: i'm system is currently in a dangerous state :/ i need to downgrade my apt |
| 01:13.27 | michal_ | s/i'm/my |
| 01:13.42 | abrotman | michal_: how did it get that way? |
| 01:14.14 | michal_ | ahh.. worked it out.. apt-get install apt=0.5.27 |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | michal_: how did it get that way? |
| 01:14.28 | eggy | gd |
| 01:14.28 | michal_ | abrot: following the instructions that dpkg pointed me to :/ |
| 01:14.34 | tam | !xorg |
| 01:14.34 | dpkg | [xorg] an alternative X implementation (a fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from the X.Org Foundation - the current release is X11R6.8. It will not be packaged for Debian until after the Sarge release. At that time, Debian will probably go with the new modular packages of X.org, if it is ready, or the monolithic release if not. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040712.051027.74293658.html for more information . |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | michal_: about gnome2.8? |
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| 01:14.51 | michal_ | abrot: i was warned that it COULD fuck my ystem.. but i didn't realise it could remove almost all my packages |
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| 01:15.01 | Rammstein | hi argent |
| 01:15.07 | argent | jajaja |
| 01:15.07 | abrotman | !gnome2.8 |
| 01:15.08 | dpkg | from memory, gnome2.8 is #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org says gnome2.8 will not enter sid until after the release of sarge, or see http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?GnomeTwoDotEightFAQ, or http://www.gnomejournal.org/gnome_debian.php |
| 01:15.09 | argent | hola noky |
| 01:15.16 | Rammstein | (: |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | !gnome2.8 is also WARNING: may do bad stuff to your system |
| 01:15.25 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 01:15.33 | michal_ | abrot: aptitude is pretty dangerous.. by default it just goes ahead and does it's thing without a summary beforehand like apt-get gives |
| 01:15.42 | abrotman | michal_: did you try the other method? |
| 01:15.51 | abrotman | maybe i should just remove that aptitude method |
| 01:15.56 | abrotman | the other one just uses apt |
| 01:16.01 | aveng0 | anybody having problems with spontaneously disconnecting usb mass storage devices without actually disconnecting them (kernel 2.6.x)? |
| 01:16.07 | michal_ | abrot: the apt-get method just did not work.. there was only one version of gnome-desktop-environment and it was the 2.6 one |
| 01:16.13 | Grondin | Wo it's really exciting. Here I come: I don't what is going on in my lilttle box but I got debian 2.4 and suddenly the network was down and never came up again, any clue please? |
| 01:16.21 | justin | michal_: have you ever used aptitude? |
| 01:16.44 | michal_ | justin: i have but i never explored the options.. and it seems very different from the last time i used it |
| 01:16.44 | Nyle | Grondin, you got the kernel 2.4? |
| 01:16.47 | initech | Grondin: is the interface "up"? |
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| 01:16.57 | Grondin | 2.4.18 |
| 01:16.59 | Grondin | yes |
| 01:17.12 | justin | michal_: that you would say that it doesn't give you a summary indicates that you never used it... |
| 01:17.13 | initech | Grondin: does it have an ip address? |
| 01:17.16 | Nyle | well if you update the kernel image you also have to run modconf and put the network driver module in the kernel |
| 01:17.26 | justin | since aptitude does in fact give you a summary, even moreso than apt-get does |
| 01:17.57 | Nyle | try modconf on the updated kernel, see if you network drivers are loaded or not |
| 01:18.07 | Grondin | dhcp discover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 :/ |
| 01:18.19 | bas_ | florz, I don't get it... If a packet enters eth0 as src 192.168.0.1 --> gets tagged as a packet leaving ppp0 it should be masqeraided as src x.y.z.w (belonging to ppp0) but still you see it masquraided as src x.y.d.c (src of ppp1) ? |
| 01:18.44 | justin | Grondin: plug the cable back in |
| 01:18.44 | michal_ | justin: well if i never used it my system wouldn't be fucked up at the moment. the summary in aptitude is FAR from clear.. in apt-get it writes it in plain english.. in aptitude you get colours and single letter sumaries.. easy to misunderstand. if by default it has the one axtra step of spelling it out in english it would have clicked that my system was about to be screwed |
| 01:18.52 | Grondin | iat is already in |
| 01:19.07 | eggy | guys.. is there a way to overide a depenacy when installing a pacakge? |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | eggy: yes .. man dpkg |
| 01:19.18 | michal_ | it seems MUCH better than dselect though |
| 01:19.21 | michal_ | very powerful |
| 01:19.28 | eggy | using apt though |
| 01:19.36 | justin | michal_: um, you don't have to use aptitudes curses interface, it is perfecly capable of being ran like apt-get |
| 01:19.38 | florz | bas_: Nope, masquerading works as it should. The masqeraded src addr is the address of the interface the packet is routed through. |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | eggy: man apt-get |
| 01:19.39 | Oasis | What would be a good way of going about getting X Windows installed? |
| 01:19.45 | eggy | .. |
| 01:19.47 | mohohaha | yo Grondin |
| 01:19.52 | justin | !tell oasis about xwindows |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | !tell Oasis about set up X |
| 01:19.56 | Rammstein | che |
| 01:19.57 | Grondin | thanks mohohaha to tell me bout this server :p |
| 01:19.59 | michal_ | justin: i was following instructions on the website |
| 01:19.59 | Oasis | Thanks. |
| 01:19.59 | Rammstein | aca no hay minas argent |
| 01:20.00 | Rammstein | bua |
| 01:20.02 | Rammstein | :( |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | english? |
| 01:20.11 | argent | jajaja |
| 01:20.18 | Rammstein | ok |
| 01:20.36 | Rammstein | there no women here |
| 01:20.44 | Rammstein | mucho olor a huevo |
| 01:20.59 | argent | see |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | english |
| 01:21.02 | mohohaha | Grondin, you fix your problem? |
| 01:21.02 | Nyle | hola, me llamo pene de cabra, como estas? |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | holy shit |
| 01:21.09 | Rammstein | hahaha |
| 01:21.09 | bas_ | florz, so you can allready control traffic based on your rules per ppp interface... and you allready controll the src address the packet has when it leaves the ppp interface.... what dont you control yet? |
| 01:21.09 | abrotman | english |
| 01:21.11 | Grondin | no :/ |
| 01:21.12 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 01:21.12 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 01:21.15 | Grondin | dont know how |
| 01:21.17 | argent | jajaja |
| 01:21.24 | Grondin | I touch something to fix the lilo |
| 01:21.27 | michal_ | does anyone here conenct to gdm running on a debian box via vnc? |
| 01:21.28 | Grondin | and now the network is down :p |
| 01:21.39 | argent | ahi te saludo Nyle, Rammstein... |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | fucking shit |
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| 01:21.46 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:21.47 | Nyle | no |
| 01:21.47 | abrotman | talk english or leave |
| 01:21.47 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:21.50 | Nyle | english only man |
| 01:21.54 | Rammstein | abrotman: |
| 01:21.55 | Grondin | and this windows is dying please :p |
| 01:21.56 | Rammstein | libertad |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | talk english or leave |
| 01:22.06 | Nyle | i don't even speak spanish, that was about all the spanish i know, except smoking MUCHO MOTA |
| 01:22.08 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:22.12 | Grondin | the ethernet is a 8139**** |
| 01:22.17 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:22.18 | Grondin | a common card :/ |
| 01:22.22 | florz | bas_: Yes, nope. It's only masquerading that works. The source address is not selected correctly for locally (== on the router) generated packets. |
| 01:22.23 | eggy | I don't see an option sirs |
| 01:22.36 | weeeeeee | is there a command to show what services run at what runlevel ? like i,e "update-rc.d apache list" (??) |
| 01:22.43 | Nyle | Grondin, run modconf and use the 8139too driver instead of the retulat 8139 |
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| 01:22.46 | michal_ | oh well.. here goes almost certain failure.. have to quit X :/ |
| 01:22.47 | Nyle | regular* |
| 01:22.49 | abrotman | weeeeeee: so use that one |
| 01:23.09 | abrotman | weeeeeee: ls /etc/rc#.d/ |
| 01:23.10 | weeeeeee | no list switch :/ I am just guessing |
| 01:23.16 | Nyle | starting with kernel 2.4 and above realtek cards work with the 8139too drivers |
| 01:23.26 | Nyle | try that and then ifdown ifup and see if it comes on |
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| 01:23.35 | Nyle | or u might have tor estart, i had ot |
| 01:23.43 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:23.44 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 01:23.53 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:23.56 | sussudio | !tor |
| 01:24.00 | weeeeeee | abrotman, it's a shame that update-rc doesn't have this option :/ |
| 01:24.01 | abrotman | tor is nice |
| 01:24.02 | abrotman | !info tor |
| 01:24.07 | bas_ | florz, Ahhhhh..... so its the traffic form eth0 on the machine performing masq to be fwmarked asswell? |
| 01:24.08 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.0.8+0.0.9pre3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 617 kB, Installed size: 1516 kB |
| 01:24.09 | Grondin | Ehf obviously they don't seem to be there :| |
| 01:24.10 | eggy | God Dang it! |
| 01:24.11 | zakame | ehlo! how was yesterday's rant about xfree86 vs xorg? |
| 01:24.23 | Nyle | you takes two more keystrokes, u is only one |
| 01:24.25 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:24.38 | florz | bas_: ? |
| 01:24.39 | tam | would anyone recommend building xorg for deb sid? |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | no |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | zbowling: didn't you make xorg packages? |
| 01:25.15 | tam | abrotman: why? |
| 01:25.17 | Grondin | in kernel/drivers/net sectin |
| 01:25.22 | abrotman | tam: why bother? |
| 01:25.22 | Grondin | anywhere else to look for something? |
| 01:25.23 | eggy | I cannot find the friggen opion |
| 01:25.39 | zbowling | abrotman: yah I did a while back. but my machine crashed and I lost my wor |
| 01:25.41 | zbowling | :-( |
| 01:25.47 | tam | abrotman: won't it be better having an upgraded X server? |
| 01:25.49 | Rammstein | aca son todos nerds, en su vida tocaron una teta.. deben masturbarse pensando en el pinguino |
| 01:25.54 | Rammstein | vos que opinas argent? |
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| 01:26.05 | Nyle | Grondin, they are there, whree ever you find the rl 8139 you will find the rl 8139too under it |
| 01:26.08 | argent | jajaja |
| 01:26.10 | Nyle | its there just look for it |
| 01:26.17 | zbowling | abrotman: lost my harddrive and all the scripts I made to help make the move easier |
| 01:26.18 | zakame | why wait for a deb pkg when you can bfs? |
| 01:26.21 | eggy | NO ITS NOT |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | tam: only if you need it .. if not .. why the hell bother? .. what will you gain . if you don't know .. why is the effort warranted ? |
| 01:26.29 | bas_ | florz, the machine that does fwmark "tagging" masqueraiding routing etc etc... the machine for which ppp0 and ppp1 are "local" ... that machine... traffic originating from there. is it that specifi traffic that you want to control? |
| 01:26.31 | PerfDave | tam: Does xorg do anything you need that fxree86 doesn't? |
| 01:26.34 | argent | se, esta bueno, pero aca ya se zarpan mal |
| 01:26.55 | PerfDave | zakame: And go and stick about a million entries in equivs, of course. |
| 01:26.58 | zakame | PerfDave: good question. |
| 01:27.02 | weeeeeee | !tell argent about es |
| 01:27.03 | tam | abrotman: you are correct. and as you are PerfDave |
| 01:27.04 | abrotman | god dman it |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | stop with the fucking spanish |
| 01:27.11 | zakame | PerfDave: no, not necessarily. |
| 01:27.15 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:27.16 | zakame | !es |
| 01:27.16 | dpkg | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispańa que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 01:27.18 | Rammstein | weeeeee peton |
| 01:27.26 | Nyle | are there any ops? |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | why aren't there any damn ops around |
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| 01:27.32 | zbowling | really I only lost my index on my drive, so if you want to grep through a bunch of inodes in lost+found be my guest... |
| 01:27.55 | Nyle | arrival of the spectrum obscure |
| 01:27.57 | PerfDave | zakame: Well, you don't have to, but it'd be better. Especially if you wanted to remove xfree86 :) |
| 01:28.12 | zbowling | debian-es? |
| 01:28.15 | Nyle | i need to go read the d2mods.com |
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| 01:28.45 | zakame | PerfDave: you can forego with the packaging system altogether, and yet still have a very usable system... I currently have gdm set to have xorg, no breakage there. |
| 01:28.50 | eggy | it'd be a heck of a lot easier if somebody would just give me the darn option |
| 01:28.56 | PerfDave | Right, I don't care what Phated says, Supertux sucks |
| 01:29.10 | Grondin | ehm Nyle I don't find anything like 8139 only the word Ethernet, no realtek |
| 01:29.11 | Phated | PerfDave: :D |
| 01:29.13 | PerfDave | zakame: Yeah, and what's the point in that? If you don't want a packaging system, run LFS or Redhat or something. |
| 01:29.32 | Rammstein | loco |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | stop with the fucking spanish |
| 01:29.48 | zakame | PerfDave: that doesn't mean apt can't live with the source... |
| 01:29.54 | PerfDave | Come on, come on, do the locomotion with me. |
| 01:29.58 | Rammstein | al final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son |
| 01:29.58 | Rammstein | todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeee |
| 01:29.58 | Rammstein | al final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son |
| 01:30.01 | Rammstein | todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeee |
| 01:30.02 | Grondin | spanish its easy |
| 01:30.04 | rares000 | stop fucking with the spanish |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | PerfDave: stop with the lame dances |
| 01:30.04 | Rammstein | al final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeeeal final aca son |
| 01:30.06 | abrotman | !ops |
| 01:30.06 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 01:30.09 | Rammstein | todos maricones, en su vida tocan una teta.. manga de putos aguante Slackware no la mierda de debian ... Aguante slackware eeee |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | Rammstein: |
| 01:30.12 | *** part/#debian Rammstein (0@200.70.177.219) |
| 01:30.15 | zakame | is it possible to do a perl one-liner that kicks those !es? |
| 01:30.17 | abrotman | sorry |
| 01:30.18 | Grondin | kid |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | he left on his own |
| 01:30.21 | florz | bas_: Yep. More exactly: That is the specific traffic that causes problems. I also want to control the traffic coming in on eth0 (to be routed to one of the ppp interfaces), but that works fine already. |
| 01:30.23 | PerfDave | Just /ignore Rammstein, it's easier |
| 01:30.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@200.70.177.219] by Rez |
| 01:30.30 | zakame | PerfDave: ok |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | Rez: thanks |
| 01:30.49 | abrotman | Rez: sorry to distur |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | b |
| 01:30.50 | zbowling | i made a LFS box before LFS was even organized |
| 01:30.58 | PerfDave | zakame: Yeah, i'm not saying you can't compile xorg from source, and not tell apt about it. But it's better if you do tell apt about it. |
| 01:31.06 | hacim | is there a way I can append to a file via scp/sftp? |
| 01:31.08 | bas_ | florz, what is the default gateway device of that machine? |
| 01:31.19 | zbowling | its tricky with apt and xorg |
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| 01:31.31 | zbowling | have to make a few dummy packages |
| 01:31.40 | zakame | PerfDave: true. that's why I'm already doing packages of it, thanks to xserv-xfree86's dscs... |
| 01:31.45 | Grondin | Nyle any way to get the driver frm the cd ? Sorry to be a lil begginer |
| 01:32.19 | florz | bas_: The default route in the main routing table is ppp0 - which probably is in some way related to the fact that that interface's address is used for outgoing packets even when they are "fwmark-routed" to ppp1. |
| 01:32.19 | Nyle | Grondin, tell me what heppened exactly, from the state of working to broken |
| 01:32.23 | zakame | there shouldn't really be any difficulty, just a lot of time to build the packages, and a lot of bandwith to upload them somewhere... |
| 01:32.38 | zbowling | when i got xorg working, i mean it was compatible with debian's package system as well (always feel safer that way because I do nightly apt-get updates) |
| 01:33.09 | bas_ | florz, have you tried setting the def gw to eth0 |
| 01:33.11 | zakame | zbowling: did you install xorg on /usr/local? at least that should protect you from update creep... |
| 01:33.24 | Grondin | Nyle mmm we installed Debian, I'm a begginner so a guy was do the configuration part trough ssh, but he missed something and when we boot we only got a LI instead of Lilo so he told me what to do here, editing a configuration part, but I must have erase something in it cause verythin was working before |
| 01:33.48 | florz | bas_: uh?! No, I haven't, why do you think that could make any sense? |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | !li |
| 01:33.53 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:33.54 | bas_ | florz, assuming that is the interface which masqueraids |
| 01:33.56 | Nyle | are you root? |
| 01:34.20 | Grondin | Nyle of course it's my computer, I edited in a texte containning word like Proc /proc defaults 0 0 |
| 01:34.24 | florz | bas_: It's the interface the packets come from that are to be masqueraded, yes |
| 01:34.25 | Grondin | you should know what it is |
| 01:34.37 | bas_ | florz, yes.. if eth0 is the "input" interface which masquesraids traffic to pppx it should make sense |
| 01:34.46 | florz | bas_: Why that? |
| 01:35.04 | Nyle | Grondin, /etc/lilo.conf and paste its contents in #flood |
| 01:35.15 | Nyle | not all of it |
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| 01:35.22 | zbowling | zakame: i went a created a dummy xfree86 package that a very high unreachable version number (incase a new xfree86 update came out) and i installed xorg and wrapped it up in a deb. (i was going to upload it after I got some major issues worked out and made them installation questions for the deb installer) but I lost my hd |
| 01:35.24 | Nyle | just the no #commented out part |
| 01:35.32 | Grondin | but I have to write it :p the network is down wait |
| 01:35.46 | Nyle | what? |
| 01:35.49 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:35.52 | Nyle | yeh |
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| 01:36.00 | Nyle | hold on that one then |
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| 01:36.28 | zbowling | Be safe: Don't Drink and Debian |
| 01:36.32 | Nyle | lol |
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| 01:37.01 | Grondin | dont see commented somewhere |
| 01:37.09 | abrotman | there is no 2.6.9 |
| 01:37.10 | Nyle | Grondin, what netcard do you have |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:37.12 | zakame | zbowling: isn't just using an epoch easier? |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | yet |
| 01:37.15 | Grondin | realtek 8139 |
| 01:37.25 | jorgp | abrotman: well, there is rc4 |
| 01:37.27 | eggy | =/ |
| 01:37.36 | bas_ | florz, traffic from your lan 192.168.0.x enters the machine on eth0 right? then fwmark tags packets based on criteria... then fwmark routes packets to either ppp0 or ppp1 (where the masqueraiding takes place) |
| 01:37.39 | Nyle | type modconf and look at which driver th kernel has loaded for the 8139 card |
| 01:37.49 | Nyle | you need to find it, i have the same card |
| 01:37.50 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:38.00 | florz | bas_: Yep |
| 01:38.00 | Nyle | it is there, its called rl 8139too |
| 01:38.04 | Grondin | I have a lot of rl8139 in fact lol but it was detected a hour before |
| 01:38.11 | Grondin | I know it was there |
| 01:38.20 | Grondin | but after i touched the text |
| 01:38.27 | Nyle | what text |
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| 01:38.38 | bas_ | if traffic originatin from that machine enters eth0 (if you set it as def gw device) it should be handled as any other packet entering that device |
| 01:38.43 | Grondin | do't remember the name it was with proc /proc defaults 0 0 |
| 01:38.44 | bas_ | florz, if traffic originatin from that machine enters eth0 (if you set it as def gw device) it should be handled as any other packet entering that device |
| 01:38.50 | Grondin | with thing ending with 0 -1 or 0 0 |
| 01:39.02 | zbowling | Jan 18 2038 is when I'm going to laugh at anyone using 32 bit integers for unix epoch |
| 01:39.22 | mne | hi there, I accidentally replaced my /etc/XF86Config (and /etc/XF86Config-4) with the file from the xf86config setup tool. The problem is that each normal user uses this config files now (instead of the XF86Config-4 in the user's home directory). How can I change this so that the X Server uses the XF86Config-4 of the user who starts the X-Server ? |
| 01:39.41 | Nyle | what does your network card get detected from or not, try ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 |
| 01:39.45 | Nyle | tell me what heppens |
| 01:39.49 | zbowling | I sure do hope i have a new cell phone because it uses 32 bit epoch... I'm sure it won't work in 2038 |
| 01:39.59 | zakame | mne: startx -f <your config> ? |
| 01:40.10 | zakame | zbowling: hoohoo :D |
| 01:40.27 | jharrison | abrotman: dude! |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | jharrison: man! |
| 01:40.42 | jharrison | abrotman: its almost time to go out |
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| 01:40.47 | abrotman | jharrison: out where? |
| 01:40.59 | mne | zakame: thx, but I want the user's config to be used by default (just "startx"). It was like that in the debian default configuration before |
| 01:41.05 | jharrison | abrotman: cuban bar |
| 01:41.06 | dudeman | dude man, whats up |
| 01:41.12 | Grondin | ifdown: listenin on lpe eth0 00:50:fc 9e 09 95, sending on (same numbers) send on socket fallback |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | jharrison: is that different than a normal bar? |
| 01:41.20 | zbowling | it would be nice to have a cell phone that would last that long (seeing how my current one cost me $590 just to get one with linux) |
| 01:41.25 | jharrison | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:41.32 | jharrison | abrotman: they have cubans |
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| 01:41.47 | abrotman | jharrison: instead of bahamians? |
| 01:41.56 | Grondin | le ifupsays: lsten on (same numbers) receive_packet failed...bvabla dhcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 4-10-17 |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | jharrison: gonna get a cute girl? |
| 01:42.02 | jharrison | abrotman: cubans == cigars and cubans also == people from cuba |
| 01:42.06 | jharrison | abrotman: hell no |
| 01:42.11 | jharrison | abrotman: i got a wife |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | jharrison: you shouljd |
| 01:42.18 | jharrison | abrotman: HELL NO! |
| 01:42.20 | abrotman | jharrison: get her a girl too! :) |
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| 01:42.28 | jharrison | sigh |
| 01:42.31 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:42.39 | abrotman | jharrison: gonna get drunk? |
| 01:42.46 | jharrison | abrotman: well I never get drunk |
| 01:42.50 | jharrison | abrotman: ill get close though |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:42.51 | Grondin | You should |
| 01:42.56 | dudeman | Grondin, , hold on |
| 01:42.56 | Grondin | it would solve your problem for the night :p |
| 01:42.58 | jharrison | abrotman: I get enough to make driving fun |
| 01:43.02 | zbowling | Grondin: 00:50:FC edimax technology co., ltd. - might be your problem |
| 01:43.06 | kombi | where is the keymap loaded at boot? |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | jharrison: cab/walk? |
| 01:43.07 | Grondin | :| |
| 01:43.11 | Grondin | what does it mean ?! |
| 01:43.13 | jharrison | abrotman: hell no |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:43.14 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 01:43.21 | abrotman | jharrison: too far? |
| 01:43.27 | Grondin | edimax |
| 01:43.28 | jharrison | abrotman: I will have enough to make driving FUN |
| 01:43.33 | Grondin | damn not the stupid useless chipset |
| 01:43.35 | kombi | what means !keymap? |
| 01:43.36 | bas_ | jharrison, If you are so close to getting drunk, why not one drink more...? |
| 01:43.40 | jharrison | driving is not fun if you are a passenger |
| 01:43.40 | Grondin | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | jharrison: i prefer enough to make walking fun :) |
| 01:43.46 | zbowling | your card manufature |
| 01:43.53 | jharrison | bas_: because driving is not fun if youkill someone |
| 01:44.02 | jharrison | and its against my beliefs |
| 01:44.17 | bas_ | jharrison, ahh... didnt read the part about driving..... |
| 01:44.27 | zbowling | I confess, debian w00ped my a** while drinking, so i came back to my click and go windoze to chat |
| 01:44.31 | abrotman | jharrison: i prefer enough to make walking fun :) |
| 01:44.35 | dudeman | Grondin, , type modconf and then do down until you see kernel/drivers/net/ and in there make sure you have a + sign next to 8139too |
| 01:44.37 | jharrison | abrotman: :) |
| 01:44.42 | kombi | abrotman: sorry, but what is the deeper meanign of !keymap? |
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| 01:44.46 | jharrison | abrotman: what you need is a good ether binge |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | kombi: sex |
| 01:44.49 | Grondin | what is ASF support? |
| 01:44.55 | kombi | got it.. |
| 01:44.55 | abrotman | jharrison: or a nap |
| 01:44.57 | mne | maybe something else works: how can I install just the original /etc/XF86Config from the debian xserver-xfree package ? Is there a way to tell apt-get what files should be extraxted from the archive ? |
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| 01:45.29 | bas_ | jharrison, but I don not need to get drunk to be irresponsible behind the wheel... four drinks will make my response time go down by 1.5 secs |
| 01:45.30 | kombi | well, where do I change it? (not the sex..) |
| 01:45.31 | jharrison | abrotman: I suppose |
| 01:45.43 | zakame | mne: you can just do dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 if you want to change it... |
| 01:45.56 | Grondin | zbowling: thanks for your little clue |
| 01:45.58 | jharrison | bas_: yes thats true |
| 01:46.00 | zbowling | ASF or Microsoft Stupid Outdated Video Crud File or (by its name) Ass Sex File |
| 01:46.03 | abrotman | jharrison: i'm still tired from !buckabeer |
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| 01:46.07 | Grondin | ahahaha |
| 01:46.08 | jharrison | bas_: im responsible though |
| 01:46.08 | guestish | !asf |
| 01:46.08 | dpkg | asf is probably arsonists settin fires and they is wicked, or a compressed video format owned by microsoft. to convert an ASF file into a patent-free format, use VirtualDub 1.3c. Newer official versions don't have ASF support but there's a fork for 1.4c out there that works also. Note that Virtual Dub only runs on windows (sigh). |
| 01:46.12 | mne | zakame: Thanks, I think that will help ... |
| 01:46.14 | bas_ | florz, you here? |
| 01:46.15 | Grondin | A graphical chi^pset then ? |
| 01:46.17 | jharrison | abrotman: buckabeer? |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | jharrison: and tomorrow is an oktoberfest at a co-workers house |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 01:46.22 | dpkg | well, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 01:46.29 | kombi | they call it wma now.. |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | jharrison: and i have to make the brats |
| 01:46.37 | zakame | zbowling: asf - a subliminal fucker |
| 01:46.41 | epilog | are there debian packages for the ATI binary XFree drivers? |
| 01:46.44 | Grondin | This chan is awesome, everyone's participatin ! |
| 01:46.50 | jharrison | abrotman: brats? |
| 01:46.53 | zakame | epilog: none that i know of? |
| 01:46.55 | epilog | i've got some "conflicts" |
| 01:46.56 | kombi | awesome.. |
| 01:46.58 | abrotman | !dict bratwurst |
| 01:46.59 | epilog | hrm.. |
| 01:47.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'bratwurst' a small pork sausage [syn: {brat}] |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | !dict brat |
| 01:47.06 | guestish | mencoder can turn an asf into an avi |
| 01:47.07 | dpkg | Dictionary 'brat' (3 shown; 7 total): a very troublesome child ;; 4. The young of an animal. [Obs.] --L'Estrange. ;; Brat \Brat\ (br[a^]t), n. [OE. bratt coarse garnment, AS. bratt cloak, fr. the Celtic; cf. W. brat clout, rag, Gael. brat cloak, apron, rag, Ir. brat cloak; properly then, a child's bib or clout; hence, a child.] 1. A coarse garment or cloak; also, coarse clothing, in general. [Obs.] --Chaucer.. |
| 01:47.08 | epilog | maybe there's a way around this problem... |
| 01:47.10 | guestish | which is slightly better |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:47.24 | jharrison | oh ok |
| 01:47.25 | epilog | guestish: can it do that without re-encoding the video stream? |
| 01:47.27 | abrotman | jharrison: food |
| 01:47.37 | zbowling | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/format/asfspec.aspx |
| 01:47.39 | guestish | epilog: yeah, you just do -oac copy -ovc copy and it changes the container format |
| 01:47.40 | kombi | where's the keymap set, damned? (I didn`t say damned) |
| 01:47.41 | jharrison | abrotman: is there mutton? |
| 01:47.49 | florz | bas_: Yep, about to try what you suggested |
| 01:47.54 | abrotman | jharrison: in the brats? |
| 01:48.00 | zakame | why are the debian mail queues so damn slow? I've just posted 2 controls to bugs.debian.org, and they're still not there... |
| 01:48.00 | jharrison | abrotman: no to eat |
| 01:48.06 | epilog | guestish: interesting... i remember that mencoder didn't used to be very good at remangling the datastream :) |
| 01:48.08 | guestish | i still prefer matroska, but its not that well supported...unlike avi which is supported everywhere |
| 01:48.12 | jharrison | abrotman: in general |
| 01:48.13 | abrotman | jharrison: dunno . i'm only responsible fro the brats |
| 01:48.15 | epilog | you'd get unseekable AVI's and stuff |
| 01:48.25 | guestish | epilog: its decent, you can try transcode if you really want to |
| 01:48.29 | guestish | epilog: na, its improved |
| 01:48.31 | kombi | jesus, what timezone are you all in? |
| 01:48.38 | epilog | sweet.. I'll check that out. |
| 01:48.41 | jharrison | abrotman: if it goes "bbaaaaa" ill eat it |
| 01:48.45 | kombi | mindzone even.. |
| 01:48.46 | guestish | kombi: PDT i think |
| 01:48.47 | mne | zakame: that didn't work either |
| 01:48.47 | zakame | ASF to OGM is also nice ;) |
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| 01:48.53 | guestish | ogm is ok... |
| 01:48.55 | abrotman | jharrison: dunno. the girl that is hosting is a good cook |
| 01:49.04 | kombi | guestish: is that a file? |
| 01:49.13 | guestish | kombi: its my timezone |
| 01:49.17 | abrotman | kombi: EDT |
| 01:49.18 | Grondin | Is there anyway to look on the cd if there's a driver for the ethernet card cause mine is really not there |
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| 01:49.20 | jharrison | abrotman: is she greek? |
| 01:49.20 | kombi | ohh... |
| 01:49.32 | tcsetattr | if you mencode -ovc copy an ASF file, it'll still have WMV video in it, which means it's still not going to be playable with Micros~1 proprietary codec |
| 01:49.34 | abrotman | jharrison: don't think so .. dunno |
| 01:50.00 | guestish | epilog: tcsetattr has a point you know |
| 01:50.05 | mne | zakame: I'll try to just reinstall the xserver, thanks for trying to help me out |
| 01:50.05 | jharrison | abrotman: mutton is really the lost meat these days. greek people know the way of the mutton though |
| 01:50.08 | guestish | epilog: i would reencode to mepg4 if i were you |
| 01:50.12 | guestish | mpeg4* |
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| 01:50.17 | zakame | tcsetattr: true, that's why we need to distill that from wmf to either raw or avi... |
| 01:50.18 | abrotman | jharrison: i had a gyro earlier this week from a greek place |
| 01:50.26 | zakame | or mpeg4/divx |
| 01:50.39 | guestish | avi is a container format, mpeg4 is a codec standard |
| 01:50.49 | zakame | mne: what xserver are you using? from sarge? |
| 01:50.55 | zakame | guestish: yep. |
| 01:51.03 | jharrison | mmmmmmmm |
| 01:51.11 | epilog | guestish: hrm... so ASF is using a mangled Mpeg4 algorithm? :) |
| 01:51.12 | jharrison | abrotman: the one with mutton in it? |
| 01:51.14 | guestish | you would convert wmv to a mpeg4 compliant codec or whatever else |
| 01:51.21 | guestish | epilog: no, asf uses wmv |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | jharrison: Opa Gyro! |
| 01:51.32 | abrotman | jharrison: we don't know what's in it .. but it's good :) |
| 01:51.32 | epilog | isn't WMV a mangled mpeg4 algorithm? |
| 01:51.38 | florz | bas_: doesn't seem to work, just giving "no route to host" |
| 01:51.41 | epilog | like, using the same basic ideas, but tweaked? |
| 01:51.42 | guestish | epilog: mangled beyond reconigition :) |
| 01:51.42 | mne | zakame: debian/sid XFree 4.3.0 |
| 01:51.52 | epilog | hrmm.. |
| 01:52.02 | epilog | well, mangled in terms of the actual datastream i'm sure.. |
| 01:52.10 | epilog | but what the data represents is probably very similar |
| 01:52.16 | guestish | epilog: mplayer hosts the ffmpeg project which produces a high quality mpeg4 file |
| 01:52.25 | epilog | hah |
| 01:52.30 | epilog | dude, you don't need to tell me about this stuff :) |
| 01:52.31 | tcsetattr | oh and if you do use mencoder on an ASF file, you have to specify a framerate for the output file with -ofps because the input file has a variable frame rate |
| 01:52.36 | guestish | epilog: then go do it! :) |
| 01:52.38 | zakame | mne: oso if you changed /etc/XFree86-4 before, you shouyld also update its md5sum as well... |
| 01:52.39 | cafuego | uh oh |
| 01:52.40 | epilog | i've been into mplayer and ffmpeg and all for a long time |
| 01:52.41 | mne | florz: what is the problem with your network ? |
| 01:52.45 | cafuego | Oct 16 11:51:07 caffeine smartd[13499]: Device: /dev/hdg, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate changed from 75 to 76 |
| 01:52.51 | zakame | mne: i think the docs are at debian-reference |
| 01:52.59 | epilog | guestish: do what? :) |
| 01:53.08 | guestish | epilog: whatever you are gonna do |
| 01:53.10 | bas_ | florz, Bhah... Then I dont get it... |
| 01:53.12 | sussudio | cafuego: konijnen? |
| 01:53.23 | mne | zakname: thanks for the tip :) |
| 01:53.26 | cafuego | sussudio: Nee, de disk met al mijn data |
| 01:53.26 | guestish | ;) |
| 01:53.28 | epilog | guestish: i wasn't the guy who asked the question about mencoder, i just started throwing in my 2 cents :) |
| 01:53.34 | guestish | epilog: oohh, lol, who was? |
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| 01:53.38 | epilog | I don't know |
| 01:53.44 | cafuego | sussudio: ... en ik kan 'm volgende week pas op raid gooien |
| 01:53.44 | guestish | heh, i missed that part |
| 01:53.58 | tcsetattr | I didn't see anyone asking questions about ASF. just people taking random shots at it |
| 01:54.09 | guestish | lol |
| 01:54.14 | sussudio | 75? the lowest either of my drives has is 195 |
| 01:54.14 | zakame | lol |
| 01:54.21 | sussudio | cafuego: hoe oud is dat ding? |
| 01:54.26 | florz | mne: fwmark based policy routing on locally generated packets will not select the real outgoing interface's ip address as the source address for the packet. |
| 01:54.30 | guestish | !shoot asf |
| 01:54.37 | WiFiTux | is there a ACPI channel?! |
| 01:54.39 | guestish | what is with this channel and badgers?!?! |
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| 01:54.51 | epilog | BADGERS? |
| 01:54.58 | tcsetattr | florz, the source address of a packet is determined before it is routed. |
| 01:54.59 | zakame | WiFiTux: i dont know. is it on TV? |
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| 01:55.02 | epilog | BADGERS?!?! |
| 01:55.04 | epilog | WE DON'T NEED NO STEENKEEN BADGERS? |
| 01:55.10 | epilog | s/?/! |
| 01:55.11 | florz | bas_: Well, thanks anyway ... |
| 01:55.12 | sussudio | epilog: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 01:55.18 | guestish | lol |
| 01:55.21 | mne | florz: mhm, sorry, I don't know fwmark ... |
| 01:55.33 | epilog | sussudio: i'd ask what you mean, but i'm afraid you'll answer |
| 01:55.49 | cafuego | sussudio: 2 jaar |
| 01:55.50 | epilog | (yes, badger mushroom) |
| 01:55.52 | epilog | :) |
| 01:56.04 | bas_ | florz, something else... I can understand you want to route based on policy for your "users" but why do you have specific needs for the traffic originating from the router? |
| 01:56.05 | tcsetattr | florz, for example in a TCP connection, you can't send some packets with source address 1.2.3.4 and some with 1.2.3.5 -- they all need to have a matching (src,port,dst,port) tuple from beginning to end of the connection. You can't mangle source address on a per-packet basis and expect it to work |
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| 01:56.31 | florz | tcsetattr: Yes and no. After all some "routing" has to be done in order to know which interface a packet/connection will go out through and thus which sourc address to use. |
| 01:56.53 | epilog | is it difficult to make a virtual package to satisfy some dependency that you've manually installed from source? |
| 01:57.01 | tcsetattr | florz, the source address is associated with the _socket_. See netstat. |
| 01:57.04 | florz | bas_: Well, it is not just a router, but it runs some services, too. |
| 01:57.05 | zakame | epilog: yes and no. |
| 01:57.13 | epilog | hrm |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | epilog: and use stow |
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| 01:57.54 | epilog | abrotman: hey, that looks neat... i've been using installwatch this whole time |
| 01:57.57 | florz | tcsetattr: Erm, yes, but that socket's source address nevertheless is selected using routing information |
| 01:58.01 | sussudio | cafuego: what does smartctl -H /dev/hdg say? |
| 01:58.03 | abrotman | epilog: i'm sorry |
| 01:58.04 | epilog | (and a script called instmon) |
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| 01:58.09 | bas_ | tcsetattr, yes you can mangle as you which with fwmark |
| 01:58.29 | zakame | epilog: but obviously its better not to make virpkgs... like when I was building xorg on woody, it didn't have libfreetype6-dev or fontconfig, so I have to manually install them. |
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| 01:58.32 | epilog | i'll look into stow.. :) |
| 01:58.33 | Grondin | damn |
| 01:58.49 | guestish | heh |
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| 01:58.56 | bas_ | florz, ok.. the picture gets even clearer... those services ... are they for the inside networjk or outside? |
| 01:59.06 | bas_ | florz, duh... outside probably |
| 01:59.10 | epilog | zakame: well, i'm trying to solve this ATI Binary X driver problem :) |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 01:59.15 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. |
| 01:59.18 | florz | bas_: both |
| 01:59.21 | epilog | ah, nice! |
| 01:59.24 | epilog | thank you :) |
| 01:59.36 | Grondin | What is the network chipset for the Intel® 865PE Chipset |
| 01:59.41 | cafuego | sussudio: SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED |
| 01:59.43 | florz | bas_: Yes, it could be solved with additional computers, I guess, but I'd like to avoid that |
| 01:59.48 | guestish | !tell epilog about gatos |
| 01:59.51 | bas_ | florz, do you have hardware spare? If you splitt router/gateway |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | epilog: i also cured cancer today |
| 01:59.55 | abrotman | los gatos!! |
| 01:59.57 | sussudio | O_o |
| 02:00.00 | bas_ | flors there goes my idea |
| 02:00.14 | guestish | epilog: they are also opensourced drivers for ati card (afaik) |
| 02:00.16 | epilog | abrotman: did the patient live? |
| 02:00.22 | guestish | ati cards* |
| 02:00.25 | cafuego | sussudio: But then, it also says that for the 80G deathstar ;-) |
| 02:00.26 | epilog | hmm |
| 02:00.32 | epilog | does it have good GL acceleration? |
| 02:00.32 | sussudio | o_O |
| 02:00.34 | epilog | i kinda like that :) |
| 02:00.58 | Piggy | -_- |
| 02:00.59 | zakame | is there such a thing as opensource hardware? |
| 02:01.05 | sussudio | zakame: yes |
| 02:01.20 | florz | bas_: Probably it would make new problems anyway. One of the services is asterisk, using SIP. |
| 02:01.27 | guestish | check out the website |
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| 02:02.02 | zakame | sussudio: like what? |
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| 02:02.22 | sussudio | zakame: openbios |
| 02:02.31 | nvz | speaking of curing things there is a crapload of interesting health headlines lately: possible maleria vaccine, aids transmission from males -> females was prevented in monkeys, and bush lied to the US about being able to have flu vaccines ready for flu season... there is more I just cant remember em all ;) read the news |
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| 02:03.02 | Grondin | What news in this :p Bush a liarrrr |
| 02:03.06 | nvz | if they stop aids from spreading from males to females, they might as well start calling it GRID again |
| 02:03.08 | bas_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.11 | zakame | olds |
| 02:03.14 | zakame | not |
| 02:03.15 | zakame | news |
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| 02:03.29 | WiFiTux | What do i need in the kernel to be able to turn off a laptop. I had this working before, dunno what's missing. |
| 02:03.31 | florz | bas_: *gg* |
| 02:03.34 | nvz | zakame: well news.google.com reported them all last night sometime |
| 02:03.39 | abrotman | nvz: that flu thing is rediculous .. they knew 6months ago the flu vaccine was fucked |
| 02:04.04 | nvz | abrotman: yeah, well we were bushwacked again, what can I say |
| 02:04.15 | abrotman | nvz: vote? |
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| 02:04.31 | zakame | nvz: exactly. last night. there is no such thing as news. all are olds. but that's just me ;D |
| 02:04.49 | bas_ | florz, I'm sorry this is to difficult to do on irc... having all the stuff "hands on" and a lot of time might get thing working... |
| 02:04.49 | nvz | zakame: heh, stfu ;) |
| 02:04.50 | t-jack | Is there anyplace to get mplayer anymore? |
| 02:05.01 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 02:05.01 | dpkg | mplayer is not in Debian. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available: see ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for instructions. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:05.04 | smacnay | mplayerhq.hu |
| 02:05.25 | zakame | nvz: hehe ;D |
| 02:05.34 | florz | bas_: Well, if you like, do it "hands on" =:-) - but, yes, that's probably the way I'm gonna try further |
| 02:05.34 | smacnay | grab the latest snapshot and follow instructions from making with kpkg |
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| 02:05.42 | zakame | t-jack: don't forget the source |
| 02:06.15 | t-jack | Bah. phuk kpkg... |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 02:06.25 | dpkg | mplayer is not in Debian. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available: see ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for instructions. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 02:06.29 | abrotman | i already told you once |
| 02:06.33 | nvz | spike tv has been playing CSI all evening, and the commercials are out of sync it plays one commecial's video to anothers audio |
| 02:06.42 | zakame | smacnay: kpkg? |
| 02:06.42 | bas_ | florz, The major blocker here is routing/fwmark... possibly you'd be better off asking "experts" in an other channel than (bit generic) #debian |
| 02:06.50 | Grondin | a command to detect again your components? |
| 02:06.56 | abrotman | !kp |
| 02:06.56 | dpkg | hmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 02:07.00 | dudeman | discover |
| 02:07.11 | nvz | if I was their advertisers I would be pretty upset |
| 02:07.12 | dudeman | Grondin, discover |
| 02:07.16 | Grondin | thx dude |
| 02:07.36 | dudeman | np |
| 02:07.49 | smacnay | zakame: oops - sorry- wires crossed here |
| 02:08.21 | zakame | np |
| 02:08.24 | florz | bas_: Yep - any clue where one could find people knowledgeable about this kind of stuff? If I don't find any way otherwise, that probably is the only chance ... |
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| 02:08.43 | abrotman | florz: for iptable stuff? |
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| 02:09.08 | florz | abrotman: iptables and, probably more importantly, routing/iproute2 |
| 02:09.16 | abrotman | #iptables has experts |
| 02:09.18 | Grondin | Oh found it |
| 02:09.19 | Grondin | vim /etc/fstab |
| 02:09.20 | Grondin | ;P |
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| 02:09.27 | Grondin | I probably put the hell in this |
| 02:09.48 | Grondin | damn theres nothing in this file anymore lol |
| 02:10.00 | abrotman | there better be |
| 02:10.05 | Oasis | my dependencies keep on breaking when i try to apt-get xserver. >.< |
| 02:10.14 | florz | abrotman: Ah, thanks, gonna ask them then ... :-) |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | florz: also .. http://netfilter.org |
| 02:10.47 | Nyle | Oasis, get new dependencies |
| 02:10.59 | zakame | Oasis: dselect update |
| 02:10.59 | Nyle | tee hee |
| 02:11.08 | Grondin | What can I do :p |
| 02:11.14 | Oasis | I will try that. |
| 02:11.35 | florz | abrotman: Well, haven't read all of the stuff there is on that site, but if there is what I'm looking for, they must have hidden it very well :-) |
| 02:11.50 | Grondin | Hey` |
| 02:12.03 | Grondin | is there supposed to be something in the /etc/fstab about the eth0? |
| 02:12.05 | bas_ | florz, not that I know of on irg... you could try the netfilter mailing list... |
| 02:12.05 | abrotman | florz: took me a while .. check the links they have to other docs |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | Grondin: why would there be? |
| 02:12.16 | abrotman | !fstab |
| 02:12.16 | dpkg | i guess fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 02:12.25 | abrotman | eth0 doesn't fit there |
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| 02:12.34 | hackeron | is there a move utility in linux that can append to folders? -- say I have a bunch of folders that correspond to other folders but with new files in them, mv says "cannot overwrite directory" |
| 02:12.36 | Grondin | since i touched this the eth0 is down ;P |
| 02:12.38 | helix | woo, it's finally getting cold |
| 02:12.39 | Grondin | so what else can it be |
| 02:12.46 | Nyle | do etc/inerface |
| 02:12.50 | Grondin | ok |
| 02:12.51 | abrotman | helix: you need to move north |
| 02:12.51 | simonrvn | Grondin: fs == filesystem |
| 02:12.52 | Grondin | interfaces |
| 02:12.58 | helix | abrotman: it's below 60F! |
| 02:12.59 | abrotman | !tell Grondin about interfaces |
| 02:12.59 | t-jack | abrotman: I already know, actually, that there are no official .debs for mplayer. Kaffeine is broken in Sid, mplayer has license issues... What's left? |
| 02:13.08 | abrotman | helix: it's probably 45 outside tonight |
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| 02:13.13 | helix | lucky you |
| 02:13.16 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 02:13.16 | dpkg | mplayer is not in Debian. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available: see ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for instructions. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:13.21 | abrotman | t-jack: to do what? |
| 02:13.25 | helix | lucky me too though, I won't freeze to death in the winter |
| 02:13.41 | abrotman | i won't either |
| 02:14.01 | t-jack | abrotman: To pkg a .deb file. To play mediafiles, of course. |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:14.09 | MerlinCorey | since I woke up the other day to it being 59 F in the house :/ |
| 02:14.12 | abrotman | t-jack: totem |
| 02:14.13 | Nyle | u wont get the mplayer from there, i tried |
| 02:14.16 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:14.16 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 02:14.22 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main". |
| 02:14.55 | Nyle | deb ftp://ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/debian-marillat testing main |
| 02:14.58 | abrotman | Nyle: why not? |
| 02:15.00 | Nyle | use that one |
| 02:15.05 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 02:15.09 | Nyle | something wrong with the mirror |
| 02:15.12 | Nyle | or the ftp |
| 02:15.13 | abrotman | works fine for me |
| 02:15.14 | Nyle | this one works |
| 02:15.33 | abrotman | ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ |
| 02:15.35 | abrotman | it's right there |
| 02:15.40 | Nyle | doesn't work for me |
| 02:15.43 | initech | marillat has changed servers a coupla times, causing some confusion |
| 02:15.46 | Grondin | finally got the interfaces |
| 02:15.54 | abrotman | Nyle: you smoked too mcuh :) |
| 02:15.55 | Grondin | auto lo | iface lo inet loopback |
| 02:15.58 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:16.11 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.12 | nvz | \ |
| 02:16.12 | Grondin | and about the first card : auto eth0 | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:16.17 | nvz | oh well |
| 02:16.21 | smacnay | ouch, I am reading about the Mplayer switch from Debian to Slack. Look at reason #3 (not sure I agree) -> http://mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/news-archive.html |
| 02:16.23 | Grondin | | for changing the line ;P |
| 02:16.50 | initech | smacnay: i read that, the guy just doesn't understand debian and doesn't want to. |
| 02:16.53 | Nyle | well, mplayer for me works lousy |
| 02:16.59 | guestish | works great for me |
| 02:17.01 | smacnay | initech: I assumed as much. |
| 02:17.02 | Nyle | sound is always choppy no matter which file I play |
| 02:17.06 | t-jack | abrotman: eroen.coekaerts.be and marillat.free.fr are down, ftp.nerim.net is up. I have all three in sources.list, yet still no mplayer. |
| 02:17.07 | Grondin | Debian sucks - that's the opinion of most of the core developers |
| 02:17.12 | guestish | Nyle: your choice |
| 02:17.20 | nvz | Nyle: probably software scaling or slow cpu |
| 02:17.21 | zakame | Nyle: then get mplayer-cvs, worxwell |
| 02:17.21 | guestish | Nyle: its probably not mplayer thats the problem though |
| 02:17.24 | WiFiTux | Grondin, how dare you!? |
| 02:17.27 | initech | mplayer works here, but with a long startup, never troubleshot it tho |
| 02:17.28 | Nyle | 1.8 ghz |
| 02:17.29 | guestish | Grondin: core devs of what? |
| 02:17.30 | smacnay | Nyle: I have been lucky to have no prolems with it at all. |
| 02:17.35 | abrotman | t-jack: good for them |
| 02:17.36 | helix | WiFiTux: that's from the mplayer developers |
| 02:17.38 | zakame | smacnay: i second that |
| 02:17.42 | nvz | Nyle: software scaling is still slow even on faster cpus |
| 02:17.44 | Nyle | well everything else works fine |
| 02:17.51 | simonrvn | guestish: mplayer |
| 02:17.56 | WiFiTux | helix, ohh, ok. I was going to ajnda#$$@E |
| 02:17.58 | simonrvn | guestish: *they* suck |
| 02:18.02 | MerlinCorey | # The old OS was installed 3 years ago, so time to clean up the mess |
| 02:18.02 | MerlinCorey | # Debian sucks - that's the opinion of most of the core developers |
| 02:18.04 | helix | umm, ok |
| 02:18.09 | Nyle | mplayer i have to actually manually go and specify each time to use alsa as output, and even then sound is chopppy, on any other device it doen'st work |
| 02:18.15 | guestish | ah |
| 02:18.27 | guestish | simonrvn: heh |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: that's right .. they fucked the install and blamed debian .. like all true developers |
| 02:18.29 | Nyle | and all the rest of the programs work fine |
| 02:18.35 | guestish | simonrvn: i like both mplayer and debian :) |
| 02:18.40 | initech | smacnay: but obviously the old admin wasn't doing much to appease the developers who used it either |
| 02:18.40 | mohohaha | Grondin, did you fix your problem? |
| 02:18.44 | Nyle | i like debian |
| 02:18.45 | smacnay | MerlinCorey: I forgot to include that bit. I can only imagine how crappy a three year-old install was |
| 02:18.47 | guestish | Nyle: have you tried editing the config file? |
| 02:18.52 | Grondin | still not ;P |
| 02:18.53 | guestish | =P |
| 02:18.56 | t-jack | abrotman: My bad. It's in there now... |
| 02:18.59 | Nyle | no i havn't |
| 02:19.00 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:19.02 | abrotman | well duh |
| 02:19.09 | Nyle | im too llazy right now i'll do it later |
| 02:19.16 | Nyle | i wanna just chill tonight and no feel sick |
| 02:19.34 | Sandman | I click on listen.pls, and KDE says "KDEInit could not launch '/home/s/Desktop/listen.pls" |
| 02:19.39 | Sandman | Any idea why this would be happening? |
| 02:19.40 | mohohaha | Grondin, what's your problem anyway |
| 02:19.50 | Sandman | pls is currently associated with Kaffeine |
| 02:19.54 | Nyle | no matter how much pot i smoke im not getting any higher, i'm beginning to think i might have burned myself out |
| 02:19.57 | guestish | Sandman: you need to set up your mime types, and dont ask me anything else cause i dont know =p |
| 02:19.58 | MerlinCorey | well, like all kiddi3s, their reasoning is nice... "debian sucks" leaves me waiting for the "because" that's isn't there and never will be... |
| 02:19.59 | Sandman | If I open it manually with Kaffeine (add it to playlist), it works |
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| 02:19.59 | guestish | Nyle: heh... |
| 02:20.11 | simonrvn | Nyle: you're habituated |
| 02:20.11 | MerlinCorey | s/that's/that |
| 02:20.26 | Nyle | im a irresponsible lazy moron |
| 02:20.29 | Nyle | thats what i am |
| 02:20.31 | Grondin | Maybe it's the network card driver |
| 02:20.31 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:20.34 | Grondin | Maybe it's me |
| 02:20.34 | guestish | Nyle: well im not disagreeing :) |
| 02:20.48 | Grondin | Maybe it's the configuration of the connection |
| 02:20.51 | Nyle | im not denying |
| 02:21.05 | zakame | fuck opinions. |
| 02:21.30 | Grondin | Saying fuck opinions is giving his own opinion about opinions :p |
| 02:21.35 | simonrvn | s/fuck/fucking/ :P |
| 02:21.49 | nvz | zakame: opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one, but nobody wants to hear 'em. |
| 02:21.54 | Nyle | Grondin, man have you checked in modconf that you ahve the proper driver loaded, for kernels 2.4 and above realtek 8139 ues the 8139too driver located under kernel/drivers/net/ 8139too |
| 02:21.58 | zbowling | heheh... someone put up a "RedHat Powered" sign in front of their bizz, so i put up a bigger sign in front of ours (just right across the street) that says "DEBIAN POWERED" that is like 4 times as large (cost $9.10 at kinkos) |
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| 02:22.03 | zakame | Grondin: exactly my point. whats so wrong in all this is the wrongness of it... |
| 02:22.16 | Grondin | ahaha |
| 02:22.18 | simonrvn | zbowling: heh |
| 02:22.36 | zakame | hehe. little skeletons out of the closet... |
| 02:22.45 | Nyle | kkk |
| 02:22.54 | zbowling | Ohh i need to get to say "Debian Empowered" instead |
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| 02:23.24 | MerlinCorey | http://mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/mplayer-dev-eng/2003-December/022821.html << it boils down to, "I don't know how to use debian but I know how to use slackware" |
| 02:23.35 | nvz | zbowling: and lights if possible |
| 02:23.36 | guestish | MerlinCorey: lol |
| 02:23.36 | zbowling | I will go sneak a "EM" in front of the Powered part |
| 02:23.53 | MerlinCorey | 2. why slackware? |
| 02:23.53 | MerlinCorey | - debian sux (most of core devels agree :)) |
| 02:23.53 | MerlinCorey | - i dont like/know/etc debian |
| 02:24.01 | simonrvn | how's this for a brain warp. sshed to another box on the LAN to install stuff onto a box across the room |
| 02:24.29 | zakame | nah, "all your base are belong to swirl" seems better... |
| 02:24.29 | hackeron | find | while read file; do cp -v "$file" ."$file" && rm -v "$file"; done --- that works in a way, but then I also need to add something to detect if folder exists and if not create one, isnt there any solution in linux for this basic file management? |
| 02:24.40 | simonrvn | zbowling: hehehe |
| 02:24.47 | guestish | MerlinCorey: well i suppose the server admin should use what they know |
| 02:24.47 | simonrvn | zbowling: sorry |
| 02:24.53 | simonrvn | zakame: |
| 02:24.58 | simonrvn | ^^^^ |
| 02:24.59 | Nyle | all your bae are belong to.. your mom! |
| 02:25.06 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 02:25.08 | zbowling | haha |
| 02:25.12 | Nyle | i wanna make a tishirt with that on it |
| 02:25.47 | MerlinCorey | guestish: granted, but "- debian sux now, more than before", repeating again and again that "debian sux" is just childish and stupid... |
| 02:25.48 | zbowling | i want the entire collection of tshirts at tshirthell.com and thinkgeek.com |
| 02:26.01 | nvz | I liked greycats idea, about starting a company called Fucking, and selling one of everything |
| 02:26.05 | t-jack | abrotman: Yeah. We should throw a party in their favor. :) |
| 02:26.10 | abrotman | who? |
| 02:26.13 | zbowling | cuz like most techies.. i'm a tshirt kind of guy |
| 02:26.19 | Nyle | how much would one of each of the shirts in a small cost? |
| 02:26.22 | zbowling | i even have a tux shirt |
| 02:26.31 | t-jack | abrotman: eroen.coekaerts.be and marillat.free.fr :) |
| 02:26.33 | Nyle | like 2 grand |
| 02:26.35 | Nyle | 3 grand |
| 02:26.36 | guestish | MerlinCorey: just because the admin is lacking the maturity of a 12 year old shouldnt cause an uproar, hes entitled to his misguided opinions :) |
| 02:26.39 | abrotman | i have a dragon-tails.com tshirt :) |
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| 02:26.47 | abrotman | t-jack: oh |
| 02:26.56 | Nyle | 5000 at the most |
| 02:27.06 | close_to_debian | hi |
| 02:27.08 | MerlinCorey | guestish: again, granted :P |
| 02:27.21 | MerlinCorey | manu / close_to_debian: |
| 02:27.24 | MerlinCorey | !hi close_to_debian |
| 02:27.25 | dpkg | Many greetings, close_to_debian, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 02:27.44 | nvz | close_to_debian: just Nyle, or at least he's the only one who lets us know he's high |
| 02:27.46 | zbowling | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=335 |
| 02:27.57 | Narkerbyt | has anyone used SDL into GTK ? |
| 02:28.01 | zbowling | i'm high.. on beer |
| 02:28.05 | guestish | zbowling: lol |
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| 02:28.14 | MerlinCorey | zbowling: that's a depressent, you're *low*... |
| 02:28.15 | Nyle | man its all godo man u know, im a peace full non dumb stoner, i get along perdy well with ppl |
| 02:28.19 | MerlinCorey | *sant |
| 02:28.35 | close_to_debian | nvz: thanks for the info |
| 02:28.38 | Nyle | people are cool man |
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| 02:28.39 | guestish | Nyle: spell weed :) |
| 02:28.42 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: have I passed the tomahawk your way..? |
| 02:28.43 | zbowling | MerlinCorey: but i have a pill to take care of that (that maybe I should take while drinking) |
| 02:28.57 | MerlinCorey | zbowling: lots of pills do that :P |
| 02:29.00 | Nyle | people kick ass, its the public that sucks |
| 02:29.10 | Nyle | subtle difference, if you can pick up on it |
| 02:29.19 | Grondin | anyway Debian is jammed now lol |
| 02:29.38 | guestish | Grondin: jamed? |
| 02:29.41 | nvz | Nyle: "A person is smart, people are stupid..." -- Men In Black |
| 02:29.42 | MerlinCorey | Grondin: as in it is done jamming..? |
| 02:29.49 | MerlinCorey | Grondin: I didn't know Debian had a band... |
| 02:29.50 | Nyle | i tried redhat, it pissed me off, i tried other distros and they all sucked, i tried debian and I said, fuckin A |
| 02:29.54 | Grondin | like whn windows is crashin :p |
| 02:29.57 | zbowling | MerlinCorey: I have 2 pills that do that... and another not so good pill that shouldn't be talked about in IRC rooms that are ran in the public... |
| 02:29.59 | Grondin | comon lol :p |
| 02:30.00 | nvz | Nyle: put stupid in brackets I summerized |
| 02:30.03 | Grondin | Debian rocks |
| 02:30.04 | t-jack | abrotman: RT textmsg... the perfect communications medium. Start a conversation and wait days between responses. ;) |
| 02:30.12 | guestish | !debian rocks |
| 02:30.15 | guestish | !debian |
| 02:30.15 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:30.17 | abrotman | t-jack: sure .. sounds good |
| 02:30.18 | MerlinCorey | zbowling: anti-depressent or mdma..? |
| 02:30.23 | guestish | man, thats a boring factoid |
| 02:30.27 | guestish | !factinfo debian |
| 02:30.27 | dpkg | debian -- last modified at Mon Dec 22 14:38:24 2003 by debian!~mcppala@is7.pacific.net.hk; it has been requested 296 times, last by guestish, 12s ago; it has been locked by debian. |
| 02:30.35 | MerlinCorey | though there isn't much difference between those two... |
| 02:30.37 | guestish | bah |
| 02:30.40 | t-jack | !giggle abrotman |
| 02:30.40 | zbowling | holly crap!! someone called and their last name on the caller id was debian!!! |
| 02:30.48 | guestish | zbowling: no kidding? |
| 02:30.54 | t-jack | !giggle with abrotman |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | no more drugs for you people |
| 02:31.02 | t-jack | Bah. :) |
| 02:31.06 | Nyle | people, peeople who need people, are the luckiest people... oh just fuckin shoot me now |
| 02:31.26 | zbowling | guestish: yah.. i was just messed enough on vodka to really think it was a real debian person at first glance |
| 02:31.26 | zakame | Nyle: hehe... |
| 02:31.27 | MerlinCorey | zbowling: it's called an orange box... |
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| 02:32.04 | zbowling | hehe... I do that with a little code in asterisk on my PRIs down at the colo |
| 02:32.07 | yesi | hi |
| 02:32.10 | Grondin | I give up :p going to club, Have a goodnight dudes and geeks who want tshirts! |
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| 02:33.32 | zakame | zbowling: reminds me of the time somebody sent me a cellphone on fedex, and it rang the minute i opende it??? |
| 02:33.33 | simonrvn | eeew |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | !fart |
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| 02:33.59 | zbowling | zakame: the martix has you |
| 02:33.59 | guestish | gah! kicked my surge protector again |
| 02:34.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:34.11 | Nyle | i got me a fat sack of nugs, im tokin the hell outta some budd tonight, and my lady friend is comin and we gonna watch movies and eat popcorn and cuddle and be all typical american like so we feel like we fit in and are part of a system and we belong to something that makes us feel better about ourself |
| 02:34.15 | sussudio | guestish: in soviet russia, surge protector kills you. |
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| 02:34.19 | guestish | this sucks |
| 02:34.23 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: what strain..? |
| 02:34.23 | guestish | sussudio: heh |
| 02:34.35 | Nyle | i don't know man, I didn't go to weed college |
| 02:34.40 | Nyle | its good stuff, high grade |
| 02:34.51 | simonrvn | means fuck all |
| 02:34.52 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: pity... poseur :) |
| 02:34.56 | zbowling | sudo mv /dev/pants /dev/dryer |
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| 02:35.15 | guestish | sussudio: well at least the reboot was painless |
| 02:35.19 | zakame | hehe |
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| 02:35.25 | cafuego | cat /dev/mug | tee /dev/pants | drink -v |
| 02:35.35 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: do you at least know if it's Indica or Sativa..? |
| 02:35.47 | simonrvn | probably not |
| 02:35.50 | MerlinCorey | (at least majority) |
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| 02:35.53 | Nyle | cannabis indica, with a high content of cbd, attatches to my tetrahydrocanniibinol receptors and exites 5 spots in my brain, where dopamine and seratonin are pumping neurons |
| 02:36.02 | zbowling | i wish when i remotely booted I could could have a little robot that I could remotely control watch it just to make sure it came back up... I hate sweating my balls off every reboot |
| 02:36.07 | Peppito | I have done apt-get install gnome gdm and apt-get kernel-source-2.6.8 for Debian 3.1(Sarge) are there any other commands I should run? |
| 02:36.17 | simonrvn | Nyle: pumping into neurons |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | welcome to #stoner |
| 02:36.20 | MerlinCorey | so it's indica..? |
| 02:36.23 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 02:36.24 | guestish | mmm...ext3 is the best |
| 02:36.31 | Nyle | yeh no shit abrotman |
| 02:36.35 | Nyle | im done talking about drugs |
| 02:36.43 | guestish | Nyle: what about taking them? :) |
| 02:36.47 | Nyle | nope |
| 02:36.49 | Nyle | hehehe |
| 02:36.52 | guestish | lol |
| 02:36.52 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: you brought it up :P |
| 02:36.52 | Peppito | I am having problems installing soundcard drivers for my nvidia nf2 onboard soundcard |
| 02:37.04 | Nyle | and i ended it |
| 02:37.52 | guestish | why do i only get 2.0 MB/s using scp on my lan? |
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| 02:37.58 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: #stoner would be a horrible place |
| 02:38.04 | guestish | there cant be that much overhead |
| 02:38.07 | zakame | Peppito: |
| 02:38.16 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: why ..conversations would only last about 2 minutes |
| 02:38.34 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: at least if it had the same demographic makeup (does that make sense?) as real stoner culture... |
| 02:38.45 | florz | guestish: tried top? |
| 02:38.46 | Peppito | zakame: |
| 02:38.59 | guestish | florz: how would top have anything to do with my throughput? |
| 02:39.09 | zakame | why doesn't p.d.o have a main/pr0n? |
| 02:39.10 | Nyle | my bios tells me that i can boot from usb fdd and usb zip, I tried both of the, with m usb key 16mb i made a 98 boot disk and copied the bootsector and files with mkbt on my usb key, yet when i boot the pc it just does nothing, doesn't ell me anything like non system disk or disk oerro, it just doesn't do anything |
| 02:39.25 | Nyle | how do I go about making a bootable usb key in linux |
| 02:39.31 | MerlinCorey | no, because for every one person like me, there'd be ten to twenty people who had no idea about anything screaming about how stoned they were, spamming the channel with away messages reading, "bong time" every five minutes, and just generally making asses of themselves... |
| 02:39.34 | Peppito | zakame: you said my name? |
| 02:39.37 | Nyle | i've lookedon google and not found a damn thing |
| 02:39.38 | florz | guestish: De-/Encryption needs processing power? |
| 02:39.42 | zbowling | Nyle: I like your statement, so i'm putting it in the header of one my code files... every code file gets 1 great statement.. i clean it up though |
| 02:39.47 | guestish | florz: sure, but not that much |
| 02:39.50 | zbowling | cannabis indica, with a high content of cbd, attaches to my tetrahydrocannabinol receptors and excites 5 spots in my brain, where dopamine and serotonin are pumping thru my neurons |
| 02:39.55 | guestish | florz: very little actually |
| 02:40.02 | Nyle | zbowling, what statement |
| 02:40.04 | florz | guestish: Well, that depends on the processor. |
| 02:40.09 | simonrvn | MerlinCorey: IOW, suck hard on sweaty hairy donkey balls, right? |
| 02:40.18 | guestish | hrm, well maybe in this case a good deal |
| 02:40.24 | zakame | Peppoops, sorry |
| 02:40.28 | guestish | heh |
| 02:40.33 | zbowling | Nyle: if you don't mind? |
| 02:40.34 | guestish | thats probably it florz, thanks |
| 02:40.42 | MerlinCorey | simonrvn: yeppers... |
| 02:40.42 | florz | guestish: =:-) |
| 02:40.48 | Nyle | i don't know what you are talking about zbowling |
| 02:40.52 | guestish | florz: bah, was a waste too |
| 02:40.53 | guestish | what* |
| 02:40.58 | Nyle | what statement did I make |
| 02:41.07 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:41.08 | Nyle | that |
| 02:41.10 | Nyle | sure go ahead |
| 02:41.11 | zbowling | yah |
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| 02:41.13 | zbowling | :-) |
| 02:41.22 | MerlinCorey | !tell Nyle about enter |
| 02:41.30 | MerlinCorey | ^_^ |
| 02:41.31 | sussudio | zbowling, Nyle: #crackwhores |
| 02:41.48 | zbowling | hah |
| 02:41.56 | zbowling | really that is #potheads |
| 02:42.14 | zbowling | crack is for whores |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | i prefer #debian as #food more |
| 02:42.28 | guestish | heh |
| 02:42.46 | Nyle | i ran #drugs on dal.net for 7 years and #opium for 6 hehehe :) site used to be opiated.org, but the domain died this year and i just got out of all that crap, grew up u know |
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| 02:43.08 | Nyle | i'd rather watch dogma or jay n silent bob |
| 02:43.13 | MerlinCorey | !u |
| 02:43.13 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 02:43.22 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: amen! |
| 02:43.45 | t-jack | !wud |
| 02:43.45 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 02:43.46 | Nyle | yeh, but you = 2 more keystrokes |
| 02:43.53 | abrotman | so what |
| 02:44.00 | abrotman | you don't look like a moron |
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| 02:44.09 | Nyle | so what? i don't fucking feel like tyipng two more keystrokes not needed |
| 02:44.19 | MerlinCorey | yet you typed all that, which wasn't needed... |
| 02:44.25 | Nyle | u have a problem with that, type /ignore Nyle and stfu |
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| 02:44.27 | abrotman | oh dear .. he used 'two' instead of '2' |
| 02:44.29 | Guerin | Nyle: fine. Then we feel like calling you a fuckwit and a moron. |
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| 02:44.35 | Peppito | I have a7n8x Deluxe Motherboard, currently running Debian 3.1, I need some help installing sound drivers for my onboard sound. Maybe someone can point me in the right direction. I tried downloading drivers from the nvidia website. I save it ok, execute it ok, but then when it tries to install it just give me an error something about the kernel |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | Guerin: hooray |
| 02:45.15 | Nyle | Guerin, that makes no difference in my life, lol :) |
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| 02:45.20 | t-jack | Nyle: I don't see anyone complaining about wtf, stfu, and rtfm... :) |
| 02:45.28 | Nyle | exactly |
| 02:45.28 | MerlinCorey | I wonder what kind of logs dal keeps... |
| 02:45.29 | abrotman | t-jack: we will |
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| 02:45.44 | abrotman | it's also .. 3 characters vs 1 |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | with shut the fuck up .. vs stfu |
| 02:45.54 | abrotman | etc |
| 02:46.00 | Phated | abrotman: Why thank you. :) |
| 02:46.08 | abrotman | it's the epitomy of lazy |
| 02:46.09 | Guerin | some acronyms/abbreviations are acceptable. some aren't. cope. |
| 02:46.22 | MerlinCorey | plus, they're actual acronyms... whereas 'u', 'y', and 'ne1' are just moronspeak... |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | 'u' is not an abbreviation |
| 02:46.23 | WiFiTux | Stupid ACPI killed one of my laptop batteries... |
| 02:46.29 | Phated | Nyle: How about if you REALLY want to be lazy... u stt tpng lyk dis. |
| 02:46.30 | zakame | i almost stfu was a university |
| 02:46.33 | Nyle | once again, YOU are the ones with the problem, not me, type /ignore Nyle and please stfu :) |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | Phated: you can stop that now :) |
| 02:46.44 | Phated | abrotman: ;) |
| 02:47.01 | abrotman | Nyle: or you could type like a normal educated pereson |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | person |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | !punish abrotman's keyboard |
| 02:47.21 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: once again, we'll just call you a fuckwit and a moron, and you can /ignore us if you please... |
| 02:47.23 | guestish | heh |
| 02:47.29 | helix | MerlinCorey: ahem |
| 02:47.38 | Nyle | I am a normal educated person, I chose to type a certian way, and I will not change, you apparently have a problem with me typing the way I do, so just ignore me and get on with your life. |
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| 02:47.44 | helix | Nyle: you too. hush. |
| 02:47.45 | abrotman | you choose |
| 02:47.48 | hippo | WiFiTux: how is that possible? |
| 02:47.50 | Dewi | Nyle : no. go away. |
| 02:47.52 | Phated | Shall we -all- ignore him then? |
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| 02:47.56 | guestish | Nyle: u kno, u may b right |
| 02:48.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: let's |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | rite |
| 02:48.07 | abrotman | too many letters |
| 02:48.07 | Guerin | guestish: s/right/rite/ |
| 02:48.08 | dogmeat | too funny |
| 02:48.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | lets wake up toresbe |
| 02:48.18 | Phated | OK, on the count of three... /ignores at the ready! |
| 02:48.21 | guestish | :) |
| 02:48.22 | MerlinCorey | lol @ abrotman |
| 02:48.23 | helix | or +q's |
| 02:48.27 | helix | if you don't all stop it |
| 02:48.42 | guestish | pie is tasty |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | helix: can you do that again with fewer characters? :) |
| 02:48.58 | helix | abrotman: stop trolling, plzkthx |
| 02:49.01 | MerlinCorey | I had macaroni and cheese, from the blue box... |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:49.08 | Dewi | the bytes! they burn! |
| 02:49.09 | guestish | !blue |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: the one with the letters? |
| 02:49.14 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oooooh, Kraft? |
| 02:49.20 | MerlinCorey | phaethon: yeppers :D |
| 02:49.22 | scarynetworkguy | Bah |
| 02:49.22 | MerlinCorey | er |
| 02:49.24 | MerlinCorey | Phated: |
| 02:49.28 | Phated | MerlinCorey: WOOT! |
| 02:49.28 | guestish | Dewi: never try HCL then |
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| 02:49.46 | Nyle | geez I swear you all are like women on the rag having thier first moment, leave me be and don't judge me by the way I chose to type. |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | choose |
| 02:49.56 | zakame | perhaps it would be better to type in hex? |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | it's choose |
| 02:50.00 | Guerin | ye gods |
| 02:50.00 | helix | oh well |
| 02:50.01 | abrotman | not chose |
| 02:50.03 | Nyle | oh god |
| 02:50.04 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 02:50.05 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@ip70-177-56-118.br.br.cox.net] by helix |
| 02:50.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 02:50.35 | guestish | heh |
| 02:50.37 | guestish | who was that? |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | it was Nyle |
| 02:50.50 | guestish | ah |
| 02:50.56 | lilliput_ | just a question I got a really serious pb on my box about 10 minutes ago .. my hdd was so busy that I couldn't do anything even when i tried to login in text mode I got a timeout ( more than 60sec before enter the pass ) so I use the magic key to kill everything and then everything came back .. I remember having this pb once but I was working so .. |
| 02:50.59 | MerlinCorey | Never, You Lying Eagle! |
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| 02:51.17 | lilliput_ | oups sorry I forget the main things .. Hello World :) |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | lilliput_: swap storm? |
| 02:51.20 | cafuego | I hear doing too much dope makes you paranoid and whiny. |
| 02:51.29 | WiFiTux | hippo, I turned off the PC, went to sleep, woke up and saw the computer was still on, then the battery started flashing, this was also reported in a ThinkPad T42, the ACPI calls the power_off but doesnt turn off and does something to the battery and if left that way more than 4-10 minutes, your battery is dead. |
| 02:51.31 | Guerin | cafuego: yeah, i was going to mention that |
| 02:51.32 | abrotman | cafuego: really? where? |
| 02:51.36 | abrotman | i hope not! |
| 02:51.38 | Phated | cafuego: That's odd, because I've never done dope. |
| 02:51.56 | cafuego | Phated: Exception that proves the rule |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | Phated: you're not paranoid |
| 02:51.57 | xenobius | i almost have gtk built but in the make install, lt-gtk-query-immodules reports that libXrandr.so.2 doesn't exist, which it does.. what might i need to change so that it recognizes it's there ? |
| 02:51.57 | sussudio | !do dope |
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| 02:52.14 | Phated | cafuego: Ahh. |
| 02:52.16 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: no need to insult Phated |
| 02:52.16 | xenobius | !do shoots xenobius |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | who did? |
| 02:52.25 | Phated | abrotman: Don't you accuse me of being paranoid! |
| 02:52.27 | WiFiTux | !prozac |
| 02:52.28 | dpkg | i guess prozac is a great new flavor of pez |
| 02:52.29 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: you |
| 02:52.32 | guestish | !bite the bullet |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | no i didn't |
| 02:52.35 | abrotman | she did |
| 02:52.35 | WiFiTux | hhmm |
| 02:52.40 | MerlinCorey | !d-i |
| 02:52.40 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | i said she wasn't paranoid |
| 02:52.42 | lilliput_ | abrotman, not sure |
| 02:52.44 | Phated | abrotman: Yes you did! Stop denying it! |
| 02:52.47 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yes you did you said she was not paranoid |
| 02:52.53 | Phated | </paranoid> |
| 02:52.54 | xenobius | abrotman: hey |
| 02:52.56 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | now i can't figure out if she is whining or being paranoid |
| 02:53.12 | Phated | abrotman: I'm not being paranoid! |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | xenobius: hi |
| 02:53.14 | xenobius | abrotman: do you know out of curiousity ? you seem to know more than me about alot of things linux related |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | xenobius: know what? |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | i know !jooc |
| 02:53.47 | xenobius | abrotman: i almost have gtk built but in the make install, lt-gtk-query-immodules reports that libXrandr.so.2 doesn't exist, which it does.. what might i need to change so that it recognizes it's there ? |
| 02:53.52 | lilliput_ | abrotman, I should add that's nearly 4 in the morning .. for my computer .. |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | xenobius: why are you building gtk? |
| 02:53.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no just because the *are* out to get you doensn't mean that you are not paranoid |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | lilliput_: it needs a nap |
| 02:54.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 02:54.07 | scarynetworkguy | s/the/they |
| 02:54.10 | abrotman | lilliput_: sounds like a VM issue .. which kernel? |
| 02:54.11 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
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| 02:54.16 | xenobius | abrotman: because the new version of gaim requires 2.x |
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| 02:54.24 | abrotman | xenobius: and you're on woody? |
| 02:54.31 | xenobius | abrotman: yes |
| 02:54.37 | helix | ok, everyone. Nyle is coming off +q, so please use this opportunity to /ignore if you are unable to deal with his typing style. deal? |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | xenobius: why don't you just install the gnome2 backport? |
| 02:54.43 | Guerin | xenobius: two wordss: back ports |
| 02:54.44 | lilliput_ | the last one on the 2.6 branch |
| 02:54.46 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 02:54.47 | guestish | helix: aye |
| 02:54.50 | xenobius | abrotman: explain |
| 02:54.59 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@ip70-177-56-118.br.br.cox.net] by helix |
| 02:55.00 | Led_Zeppelin | I have a Audigy2 sound card. I have the modules loaded using alsaconf. But I still get no sound. The volume is not muted |
| 02:55.02 | xenobius | abrotman: keep in mind i'm still learning lol |
| 02:55.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 02:55.04 | Led_Zeppelin | can someone please help? |
| 02:55.09 | abrotman | !gnome2 on woody |
| 02:55.10 | dpkg | it has been said that gnome2 on woody is take a look at http://people.debian.org/~walters/gnome2.html |
| 02:55.13 | nvz | Phated: who's out to get you out of curiousity? My uncle used to say Tom Petty was after him |
| 02:55.13 | Nyle | all i wanan say is, rednecks deserve a chance too ya know :) |
| 02:55.14 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: are the modules modprobed? |
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| 02:55.23 | guestish | Nyle: your neck isnt red |
| 02:55.24 | Phated | nvz: EVERYONE's out to get me. |
| 02:55.26 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, hmm, I don't think so |
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| 02:55.30 | Nyle | it used to be |
| 02:55.30 | lilliput_ | abrotman, but still I wait around 10 minutes .. |
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| 02:55.31 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:55.36 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: well there you go =P |
| 02:55.43 | Phated | helix: Nope. :/ My bad, I'll go do that now. |
| 02:55.47 | abrotman | lilliput_: VM stuff is bad when it goes wrong |
| 02:55.47 | cafuego | fuck! |
| 02:55.48 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, modules are loaded, BTW |
| 02:56.03 | helix | Phated: do it for me. I can't /ignore. :) |
| 02:56.05 | rares000 | there should be a /ignore moronspeak |
| 02:56.08 | guestish | helix: i couldnt, my /ignore skipped out on me, last i heard it was heading towards exico :) |
| 02:56.11 | lilliput_ | abrotman, just to be sure what vm stand for ? |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | xenobius: also .. check out backports.org |
| 02:56.18 | cafuego | swapping 1.5GB |
| 02:56.18 | abrotman | xenobius: but why not upgrade to sarge? |
| 02:56.20 | guestish | helix: mexico even |
| 02:56.22 | abrotman | !vm |
| 02:56.22 | dpkg | vm is probably at http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/ |
| 02:56.25 | Phated | helix: Ahh. :) Yes ma'am. |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | nice |
| 02:56.25 | helix | not hexico? |
| 02:56.25 | guestish | cafuego: =\ |
| 02:56.29 | Guerin | rares000: you could write a script which automatically corrects certain words |
| 02:56.31 | guestish | helix: well you never know :) |
| 02:56.34 | cafuego | cgi script gone bad |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | lilliput_: swap |
| 02:56.49 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: well then, check your connections |
| 02:57.06 | MerlinCorey | yeah, I hear that... |
| 02:57.06 | guestish | helix: you could...see a movie |
| 02:57.07 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, its all there. however when I use Digial Output...I get fuzzy sound on my speakers. |
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| 02:57.10 | abrotman | helix: you could go get coffee? |
| 02:57.11 | Nyle | toke up and take a ride |
| 02:57.17 | MerlinCorey | unfortunately, I'm stuck staying home for a time... |
| 02:57.17 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: mm... |
| 02:57.18 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, no clue why, but I get some sound with that |
| 02:57.28 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: did you enable the oss compatiblity layer? |
| 02:57.28 | MerlinCorey | so I can't even see the drunk people... |
| 02:57.30 | helix | I don't drink coffee (or smoke pot) |
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| 02:57.34 | abrotman | helix: i didn't think you'd be a drinker |
| 02:57.39 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, hmm yea |
| 02:57.44 | rares000 | Guerin I will when I learn to not leave the the indefinite articles |
| 02:57.48 | Phated | Of course not. Yeast are living beings too! XD |
| 02:57.48 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: hrm... |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | hmm .. helix on coffee .. more intense .. could be bad :) |
| 02:57.49 | xenobius | hehe uh... abrotman |
| 02:57.53 | rares000 | out |
| 02:57.55 | Guerin | rares000: heh |
| 02:58.01 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: not much else there is to do |
| 02:58.06 | MerlinCorey | Phated: you're in a better mood today..? |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | uh huh |
| 02:58.11 | MerlinCorey | Phated: was it the Kraft..? |
| 02:58.11 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 02:58.12 | xenobius | abrotman: i already have xfree86 4.4.0 |
| 02:58.13 | Guerin | helix: you should go camping then |
| 02:58.17 | Phated | MerlinCorey: I'm never in a better mood, sir. |
| 02:58.17 | Guerin | </lame-pun> |
| 02:58.19 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, worked perfectly before |
| 02:58.20 | abrotman | xenobius: and? |
| 02:58.21 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: or there isnt much else to do if you prefer correct grammar :) |
| 02:58.24 | helix | guestish: it's too late for movies, methinks |
| 02:58.24 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: before what? |
| 02:58.24 | scarynetworkguy | yeah but they don't cast a shadow. So I think it's ok |
| 02:58.26 | xenobius | abrotman: but its not registered with dpkg |
| 02:58.26 | lilliput_ | abrotman, oki I should add that an other guy on another chan get exactly the same pb dozen of minutes later .. strange but the kernel he is running on is an 2.4.22 |
| 02:58.29 | guestish | helix: its never too late! :) |
| 02:58.30 | rares000 | xflee86 |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | xenobius: oh dear |
| 02:58.31 | Phated | helix: Rent, rent! |
| 02:58.32 | xenobius | abrotman: i built it from scratch lol |
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| 02:58.35 | helix | Guerin: haha. outdoors. me. u r teh funnay |
| 02:58.42 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, I reinstalled my system |
| 02:58.49 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: oh |
| 02:58.49 | Guerin | helix: no, it's more like... intense ... in tents ... |
| 02:58.51 | MerlinCorey | eew, andrew`, look, icechat... one of the cool people is chris... |
| 02:58.52 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: uh, why? |
| 02:58.56 | abrotman | lilliput_: sounds more like a #linux question .. but those things are usually hard to trace |
| 02:58.56 | Guerin | but yeah, that was the other funnay thing |
| 02:59.06 | Phated | Yay. |
| 02:59.06 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, just had to. |
| 02:59.07 | xenobius | abrotman: and let me tell you if that wasn't a pain in the ass lol |
| 02:59.12 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: mmk |
| 02:59.14 | lilliput_ | abrotman, oki thanks anyway |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | xenobius: use backports |
| 02:59.16 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: and you sure its not muted? |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | xenobius: or move to sarge |
| 02:59.31 | xenobius | abrotman: what is sarge ? |
| 02:59.31 | helix | I love when someone says they are looking for "intellegent" people |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 02:59.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge is has been said that sarge is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
| 02:59.39 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: well icant say much else without more info |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | helix: did you mean to misspell that? |
| 02:59.51 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, pretty sure |
| 02:59.57 | helix | abrotman: yeah, that's how they spelled it |
| 02:59.57 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:00.00 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:00.00 | MerlinCorey | isn't sarge frozen now..? |
| 03:00.04 | helix | abrotman: I saw it on my LUG mailing list |
| 03:00.07 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: all i know is "it aint working" |
| 03:00.08 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: partly |
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| 03:00.12 | MerlinCorey | ah... |
| 03:00.14 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, its not muted. |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | helix: looking in what capacity? |
| 03:00.17 | MerlinCorey | so no point updating factoids just yet..? |
| 03:00.32 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: updating which factoids? |
| 03:00.36 | helix | abrotman: "I am dying of lack of contact with intellegent persons out here at the beaches." |
| 03:00.41 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: any :P |
| 03:00.42 | Guerin | the ones about "stable" etc? No. |
| 03:00.57 | abrotman | helix: oh yes .. must be horrible .. try not hanging at the beach .. |
| 03:01.03 | zoid | how can i convert my root ext2 partition to ext3? |
| 03:01.06 | rares000 | bellygerence |
| 03:01.08 | Guerin | helix: I amy dying of lack of punctuation |
| 03:01.09 | xenobius | abrotmman: can i tell apt-get to ignore its xfree86 dependencies and install gnome anyway ? |
| 03:01.13 | abrotman | !tell zoid about ext2->ext3 |
| 03:01.14 | guestish | zoid: tune2fs |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | helix: i got it |
| 03:01.16 | Guerin | s/amy/am/ |
| 03:01.24 | helix | :) |
| 03:01.27 | zoid | thanks |
| 03:01.33 | Guerin | !apostrophesmite helix |
| 03:01.35 | helix | heh |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | and hands her a . |
| 03:01.54 | MerlinCorey | !win Guerin |
| 03:01.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 03:02.08 | Guerin | already got a few of those on backorder |
| 03:02.15 | guestish | o-O |
| 03:02.16 | Guerin | damn things haven't arrived yet though |
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| 03:02.18 | helix | I wonder if my book came |
| 03:02.23 | helix | about chacun gille |
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| 03:02.44 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, when i restart alsa I hear a sound click on my speaker |
| 03:02.46 | Guerin | wtf is chacun gille? It sounds like cajun food to me. |
| 03:02.57 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, so the speakers are working...something up with my settings then |
| 03:03.00 | helix | Guerin: it's this book of french nonsense poems. say 'chacun gille' aloud. |
| 03:03.06 | helix | you might get it then :) |
| 03:03.10 | Led_Zeppelin | how can I get them to "defaults" like when I first got alsa? |
| 03:03.24 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, or even remove the settings |
| 03:03.26 | Guerin | I don't know how to pronounce it :( |
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| 03:03.39 | helix | Guerin: ah. it should sound (roughly) like "jack and jill" |
| 03:03.43 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: could be |
| 03:03.44 | Guerin | ah |
| 03:03.48 | Guerin | I had a hard g |
| 03:03.52 | helix | ah |
| 03:04.01 | helix | yeah, I guess that wouldn't make much sense |
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| 03:04.42 | GomoX | hi everyone |
| 03:05.00 | guestish | Guerin: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4291&item=7106978650&rd=1 |
| 03:05.02 | GomoX | i screwed up pretty badly, and could use some help |
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| 03:05.07 | MerlinCorey | !hi GomoX |
| 03:05.08 | sbk | apologies -- typos |
| 03:05.08 | dpkg | Many greetings, GomoX, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 03:05.15 | helix | GomoX: what did you do? |
| 03:05.25 | guestish | Guerin: :) |
| 03:05.43 | helix | maybe he deleted glibc |
| 03:05.45 | rares000 | with 683 in here plenty is an understatement |
| 03:05.46 | Guerin | guestish: hahaha |
| 03:06.12 | nvz | helix: are you feeling ok? 80s music? |
| 03:06.14 | guestish | Guerin: a perfect addition to your collection :) |
| 03:06.20 | MerlinCorey | rares000: count yourself, it's 684 :) |
| 03:06.22 | GomoX | helix: i got my system unbootable by trying to move /boot to a raid1 partition, basically what i need is a floppy bootdisk image with both software raid support and ICH5 SATA support trhough libata (that is, a 2.6 kernel) |
| 03:06.26 | helix | nvz: heh |
| 03:06.31 | helix | GomoX: oh, address the channel :) |
| 03:06.34 | GomoX | i know its a lot to ask |
| 03:06.45 | rares000 | Oh heck |
| 03:06.51 | GomoX | I just need a kernel image |
| 03:06.54 | guestish | rares000: gosh darn it to heck |
| 03:07.01 | GomoX | so that i can put it on a floppy on this windows machine |
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| 03:07.51 | rares000 | I have a nice server that I can build it on in a few minutes |
| 03:07.53 | cafuego | GomoX: So a 2.6.x netinst iso would do the trick, is what you're saying? |
| 03:08.02 | pixelmonkey | does anyone know what would cause me to get back DUP! replies when pinging my gateway using a wireless NIC? |
| 03:08.05 | Guerin | wow |
| 03:08.08 | Guerin | p3s run cold |
| 03:08.14 | GomoX | cafuego, would it? |
| 03:08.29 | guestish | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4291&item=7107498170&rd=1 <==== another fun one |
| 03:08.30 | GomoX | cafuego: id be better with a floppy but what the hell |
| 03:08.31 | hippo | GomoX: sysresccd has a very complete kernel also |
| 03:08.33 | cafuego | GomoX: Just boot the installer, switch to copnsole 2, mount & fix your install. |
| 03:08.58 | GomoX | hippo: what is that? |
| 03:09.07 | useruser | pixelmonkey: i got dup when i used the wrong driver for my nic (not a wireless) |
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| 03:09.12 | GomoX | cafuego: this netinst were talking about is sarge's right? |
| 03:09.18 | NeNe | Tok tok |
| 03:09.18 | cafuego | GomoX: yep |
| 03:09.20 | Oasis | I would like apt-get install gnome. How do I go about doing that? |
| 03:09.24 | NeNe | Hi |
| 03:09.31 | cafuego | GomoX: That has md support and should also support your sata controller. |
| 03:09.35 | NeNe | Ummm nothing |
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| 03:09.50 | MerlinCorey | Oasis: apt-cache search or check packages.debian.org for the actual gnome package? |
| 03:10.05 | hippo | GomoX: a cd for rescue purposes |
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| 03:10.13 | Oasis | MerlinCorey: I have no web browser. Just commandline atm. Trying to install sarge. |
| 03:10.24 | pixelmonkey | useruser: hmm... I'm able to nslookup addresses |
| 03:10.25 | NeNe | take a coffe |
| 03:10.26 | MerlinCorey | Oasis: so apt-cache search, maybe? |
| 03:10.34 | pixelmonkey | useruser: but I can't browse the web or ping without dups to my router |
| 03:10.35 | Oasis | MerlinCorey: Will try. |
| 03:10.38 | scarynetworkguy | Oasis: you can of course get a browser |
| 03:10.38 | GomoX | cafuego: ok, ill give that a shot - sata should be fine as ICH5 was the first SATA chipset ever supported on linux. The problem is the knoppix CD i have is one of the "early" 2.6 versions that gave a "irq 18: no one cared!" error on sata stuff :P |
| 03:10.49 | NeNe | and chech who _ estar here |
| 03:10.55 | pixelmonkey | useruser: also, I can ping other computers on my network |
| 03:11.00 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish, can you run amixer > amixer.out and paste your amixer.out file somewhere? |
| 03:11.04 | useruser | pixelmonkey: sounds vaguely familiar... but i had this problem a looong time ago and my memory is hazy |
| 03:11.20 | useruser | pixelmonkey: ah, you only get DUPs pinging one machine? that's not so familiar |
| 03:11.30 | pixelmonkey | useruser: not any machine, it's the router for my subnet |
| 03:11.38 | scarynetworkguy | pixelmonkey: what kind of gateway is it? I'm looking for a brandname |
| 03:11.52 | NeNe | I CANT BECOUSE I STAR IN MY HOME... |
| 03:11.53 | useruser | pixelmonkey: ok, i'm probably not the best person to quiz about this :) |
| 03:12.00 | Oasis | scarynetworkguy: How can I get a browser? |
| 03:12.02 | NeNe | THE CONECTION IS VERY BAD |
| 03:12.08 | Zyberdog | can you get gnome2.8 for sarge? |
| 03:12.09 | sussudio | !aolify NeNe |
| 03:12.16 | pixelmonkey | scarynetworkguy: Linksys |
| 03:12.17 | MerlinCorey | Oasis: apt-get install elinks lynx |
| 03:12.32 | NeNe | OKAS.... |
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| 03:12.37 | scarynetworkguy | pixelmonkey: and did you leave it with the defualt IPs? |
| 03:12.40 | rares000 | the connection to your caps lock key seems to be broken that can be fatal around here |
| 03:12.41 | pixelmonkey | scarynetworkguy: there's another machine on it that is using wireless and is running Windows, and its net connection is okay (and no DUPS) |
| 03:12.54 | useruser | Oasis: can't you just run apt-get install gnome? |
| 03:12.54 | scarynetworkguy | pixelmonkey: and did you leave it with the defualt IPs? |
| 03:12.54 | NeNe | YEA....... |
| 03:12.59 | Oasis | MerlinCorey: What would be the best way to go about getting X onto sarge because I'm trying but packages/dependencies are failing left and right, any ideas? |
| 03:13.04 | NeNe | WHERE ARE YOU ---- |
| 03:13.07 | pixelmonkey | scarynetworkguy: i.e. 192.168.1.1, yea |
| 03:13.20 | MerlinCorey | Oasis: apt-get install x-server-xfree86, iirc |
| 03:13.24 | sussudio | NeNe: turn off your capslockl |
| 03:13.24 | NeNe | YES.... |
| 03:13.25 | Guerin | NeNe: I am at 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:13.27 | helix | NeNe: please don't use caps lock |
| 03:13.30 | scarynetworkguy | pixelmonkey: and do you have neighbors close by? |
| 03:13.32 | rares000 | !!rares000smite |
| 03:13.33 | GomoX | cafuego: do you think a boot.img from /sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy will do? |
| 03:13.34 | Oasis | useruser: I tried that but it apparently isn't the right name for it. |
| 03:13.45 | pixelmonkey | scarynetworkguy: you mean wireless neighbors, yea |
| 03:13.45 | useruser | Oasis: what if you type apt-cache show gnome |
| 03:13.54 | NeNe | WHY A NOT USE THE CAT LOPS |
| 03:14.04 | rares000 | !rares000smite NeNe |
| 03:14.07 | helix | NeNe: because you'll be banned if you don't stop |
| 03:14.09 | scarynetworkguy | pixelmonkey: change your IP so that you don't talk to their routers anymore :D |
| 03:14.13 | sussudio | ... |
| 03:14.17 | Oasis | useruser: gives me endless amounts of gnome related files. |
| 03:14.23 | NeNe | OK |
| 03:14.32 | MerlinCorey | xserver-xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-8) |
| 03:14.32 | MerlinCorey | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.33 | NeNe | I CHANGE MYN IP |
| 03:14.36 | useruser | Oasis: so what happens when you do run apt-get install gnome? |
| 03:14.44 | MerlinCorey | Oasis: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:14.44 | pixelmonkey | scarynetworkguy: I don't follow what you mean |
| 03:14.53 | helix | well. |
| 03:14.53 | NeNe | YEA |
| 03:14.54 | rares000 | NeNe fine and we'll change your gender |
| 03:15.02 | Guerin | !saturday |
| 03:15.02 | dpkg | from memory, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 03:15.03 | helix | rares000: can you stop? |
| 03:15.03 | useruser | Oasis: yes, installing an x server is a good move if you haven't got one (what MerlinCorey said) |
| 03:15.06 | NeNe | MY NAME IS HERNESTO |
| 03:15.11 | NeNe | IM MEXICAN |
| 03:15.12 | sussudio | NeNe: fuck off, hernesto. |
| 03:15.14 | helix | NeNe: stop using caps lock |
| 03:15.14 | Zyberdog | can you get gnome2.8 for sarge? (I have the default sources.list .. and it only goes to 2.6.something) |
| 03:15.22 | Oasis | useruser: Trying but fails everywhere about dependencies and packages. |
| 03:15.24 | Guerin | Zyberdog: no. |
| 03:15.37 | Guerin | Zyberdog: topic |
| 03:15.40 | NeNe | MY MAIL IS |
| 03:15.45 | Oasis | Slowly trying to get it all put together but something is always broken. |
| 03:15.46 | MerlinCorey | !topicsmite Zyberdog |
| 03:15.47 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Zyberdog. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:15.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 03:15.48 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@wlan-gw.utvm.edu.mx] by helix |
| 03:15.48 | *** part/#debian NeNe (~NeNe@wlan-gw.utvm.edu.mx) |
| 03:15.48 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 03:15.49 | Zyberdog | ok.. dpkg's help on it sounds like its not on SID yet.. |
| 03:15.59 | useruser | Oasis: apt-cache policy gnome. what does it say? |
| 03:16.03 | abrotman | helix: you da uhm .. figurative man |
| 03:16.03 | Zyberdog | have read dpkg's word on it.. |
| 03:16.16 | Guerin | Zyberdog: that's right. Nor will it be for an underermined amount of time. |
| 03:16.17 | peterS | abrotman: that's kind of suggestive |
| 03:16.25 | abrotman | how so? |
| 03:16.30 | helix | it is? |
| 03:16.33 | peterS | pointing out her figure |
| 03:16.36 | abrotman | oh |
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| 03:16.38 | helix | heh |
| 03:16.39 | abrotman | uhm |
| 03:16.39 | MerlinCorey | haha |
| 03:16.42 | abrotman | not that figure |
| 03:16.44 | Oasis | useruser: one second, going to get it. |
| 03:16.46 | peterS | figures |
| 03:16.46 | abrotman | !sing helix |
| 03:16.46 | dpkg | It's not unusual to have your hips proposed to. |
| 03:16.51 | Zyberdog | Guerin, I am asking for sarge.. not sid |
| 03:16.52 | useruser | Oasis: paste it in #flood |
| 03:16.56 | Led_Zeppelin | can someone run amixer get PCM and tell me how it looks like? |
| 03:17.21 | Guerin | Zyberdog: anything in sarge has to go through sid first - and sarge will never have gnome 2.8, because it's not going into sid until after sarge releases. |
| 03:17.45 | Zyberdog | ahh.. got the release structure figured out now, thanks |
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| 03:18.08 | initech | Guerin: there'll probably be a decent backport before long, though |
| 03:18.40 | abrotman | initech: it's already in experimental |
| 03:18.42 | Guerin | initech: indeed. |
| 03:18.44 | stew | Guerin: they said that about gnome 2.6 back in june as well :) |
| 03:18.55 | Guerin | stew: hehe, really... |
| 03:18.59 | sbk | pixelmonkey: by any chance, do you have your card set to "scan mode" of some kind, where it's periodically cycling through the channels? |
| 03:19.15 | Guerin | !bless cafuego |
| 03:19.17 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child cafuego, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:19.45 | cafuego | dpkg: it's not *that* bad |
| 03:19.46 | dpkg | cafuego: no idea |
| 03:19.59 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: many? |
| 03:20.01 | cafuego | abrotman: until your fingers fall off |
| 03:20.05 | nvz | abrotman: I did it at least 15 times in a row today |
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| 03:20.12 | Zyberdog | is "sarge" a static name like testing? .. or will it all move and sarge take woody's place as stable.. etc |
| 03:20.23 | Oasis | useruser: ftp.debian.org testing main package, ftp.us.debian.org, ftp.linux.csu.berkeley.org. |
| 03:20.24 | nvz | abrotman: eventually figured out I was hitting "q" instead of "a" somewhere |
| 03:20.30 | Guerin | Zyberdog: the latter |
| 03:20.32 | MerlinCorey | no, Zyberdog, testing and stable are symbolic links... |
| 03:20.37 | Guerin | Zyberdog: only sid has a static name |
| 03:20.38 | cafuego | Zyberdog: "sarge" is static, "testing" is not. |
| 03:20.44 | Zyberdog | ok ok easy now |
| 03:20.45 | Zyberdog | :) |
| 03:20.57 | useruser | Oasis: try commenting out that berkeley source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:21.10 | Oasis | useruser: Will do but why? |
| 03:21.11 | useruser | Oasis: then apt-get update and try again |
| 03:21.21 | nvz | abrotman: might have to do like me, force yourself to type with no more than two fingers on a hand. if I use all 10 fingers I can type faster than my mind can process the information to make sure its right |
| 03:21.27 | abrotman | nvz: i wasn't even close .. and i did it like 7 times |
| 03:21.36 | useruser | Oasis: well you're getting missing dependencies; this doesn't usually happen if you stick with the standard debian distro |
| 03:21.58 | Oasis | useruser: K. I will go try. |
| 03:22.25 | MerlinCorey | Oasis: go try..? you aren't running across the house, are you..? :P |
| 03:22.54 | nvz | abrotman: I'd seriously like to just have some kind of smartcard or biometric authentication, I am getting tired of having to remember at least 2 passwords for every damn box I build |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | nvz: 2? .. that's it? |
| 03:23.20 | initech | nvz: fuck that shit |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | yay ldap :) |
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| 03:23.41 | helix | abrotman: he said "at least 2" |
| 03:23.45 | nvz | abrotman: I said at least 2, just for root and me, then there are key passwords, samba passwords, vnc passwords.. etc |
| 03:23.47 | cafuego | now I need to reconfig this P233 to listen on the primary server IPs for mail/web/dns .. then replug it against the servers, flip the servers to 10.0.0.0 and reroute the DSL, disable ISDN on the main switch and flip that over too. |
| 03:23.48 | initech | nvz: ldap works pretty good, but can be a pain in the arse |
| 03:23.49 | afra | I'm sorry if I sound ignorant but is 100Mbps = T1? |
| 03:24.03 | cafuego | afra: No, T1 is much slower then 100MB/s |
| 03:24.10 | MerlinCorey | yeah... I'm looking for a good distributed authentication system, so I can get user information from my main server, instead of replicating each user on each of my boxen... |
| 03:24.21 | rares000 | Mb or MB |
| 03:24.23 | cafuego | MerlinCorey: ldap/mysql |
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| 03:24.28 | initech | MerlinCorey: ldap, or nis (easier) for unix |
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| 03:24.35 | sussudio | afra: no, T1 is 1.5mbit |
| 03:24.38 | afra | cafuego, what is T1 speed in Mbps and what does it mean by "fully burstable"? |
| 03:24.41 | sussudio | !t1 |
| 03:24.41 | dpkg | t1 is probably Two pairs of copper wire that carry data at a rate of 1.544 Mbps. T1 lines are used to carry 24 DS-0 signals. They can be used to carry 24 phone lines or an Internet connection capable of 1.544 Mbps data transfer. See also fractional T1.. Broadband for Real Men |
| 03:24.47 | MerlinCorey | either of those hit 'doze, too..? |
| 03:24.52 | nvz | helix: still listening to the soft 80's music? seriously are you feeling ok? |
| 03:25.07 | stew | i thought they only carried 23 channels |
| 03:25.08 | helix | what's wrong with 80s music? |
| 03:25.14 | sussudio | !safety dance |
| 03:25.16 | MerlinCorey | the roomates can't stat *n?x on anything but the TV :p |
| 03:25.16 | dpkg | We can dance, we can dance Everybody look at your hands |
| 03:25.18 | initech | helix: it sucks? :) |
| 03:25.19 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that's how that 'at least' works |
| 03:25.20 | cafuego | helix: Apart from it being 80s music? |
| 03:25.22 | helix | no it doesn't |
| 03:25.25 | helix | :| |
| 03:25.28 | abrotman | helix: can you help me with a new age song? |
| 03:25.28 | cafuego | !duranduransmite helix |
| 03:25.31 | sussudio | 80s music > you |
| 03:25.33 | afra | I'm looking at http://cihost.com/cheap_web_hosting/ but it sounds too good to be true..$49/month for colocation and 100Mbps and 1500GB transfer/month (!!) |
| 03:25.45 | helix | abrotman: new age? |
| 03:25.51 | sussudio | fle fle fle fle flex |
| 03:25.53 | abrotman | you know .. like 80s crap |
| 03:26.03 | initech | helix: i grew upin the 80's and I really want to forget that shit ;) |
| 03:26.08 | GomoX | cafuego: i tried using the root.bin from sarge in order to boot, but it doesnt have the "rescue" option anymore, doesnt'it? |
| 03:26.08 | cafuego | afra: that sort of thing is generally much cheaper in the US than anywhere else. |
| 03:26.17 | sussudio | helix: off-key like bernard sumner? |
| 03:26.17 | initech | helix: devo was ok |
| 03:26.22 | cafuego | GomoX: Dunno, I've never needed it |
| 03:26.26 | helix | heh :) |
| 03:26.37 | helix | abrotman: new age isn't what I'm thinking of here. |
| 03:26.48 | GomoX | You know, i would have made a boot floppy if floppies didnt suck so bad that i couldnt find one that worked |
| 03:26.51 | stew | GomoX: you don't need it, just boot it and hit alt-f2 to get a shell |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | helix: it's ok .. you can't hear me hum it anyways :) |
| 03:26.54 | afra | cafuego: but how come some places charge $200/month for less features? |
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| 03:27.06 | GomoX | stew: that is if i grab the iso |
| 03:27.16 | GomoX | cds are expensive these days, you know |
| 03:27.20 | cafuego | afra: They probably have better infrastructure, not a shed in the backyard with a few racks of dodgy servers ;-) |
| 03:27.46 | Peppito | what does this mean --No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel |
| 03:27.47 | GomoX | anyway, im not really sure what iso i need :/ |
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| 03:27.58 | afra | cafuego, well it's co-lo so i'll be okay there....though this place doesnt offer "fully burstable"..what is that precisely? |
| 03:28.02 | Oasis | useruser: Okay, that did get me further along on the installation but now it errors with this.. |
| 03:28.06 | afra | sussudio, New Order rules |
| 03:28.14 | sussudio | afra: indeed, it does |
| 03:28.20 | cafuego | afra: You're probably sharing your 100Mbit with all the other clients. |
| 03:28.24 | Oasis | useruser: Gtk-Warning: cannot open display at: /user/share/perl5/debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm |
| 03:28.34 | afra | sussudio, you like joy division? |
| 03:28.43 | sussudio | afra: not really |
| 03:28.45 | afra | cafuego, but it should be pretty fast i hope...thank you for your help |
| 03:28.49 | Xsquared | hey, i have a server box that has only programs from the stable section. I'd like to get more programs and learn more bout this stuff. The server is hosting 2 web pages and email. Would changing from stable to unstable/testing be appropriate? |
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| 03:29.05 | cafuego | afra: try it for a month or two, see how you go .. then decide. |
| 03:29.13 | useruser | Oasis: i think you want to run dpkg-reconfigure debconf and select the dialog frontend |
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| 03:29.29 | Peppito | is anyone running Sarge with a7n8x motherboard and using onboard sound |
| 03:29.35 | useruser | Oasis: then try again :) |
| 03:29.39 | smacnay | does bignose pop in here very often? |
| 03:29.43 | Oasis | useruser: Okay. Will do. |
| 03:29.46 | sussudio | smacnay: no |
| 03:29.47 | cafuego | !tell Peppito -about supported by |
| 03:29.48 | abrotman | !seen bignose |
| 03:29.53 | dpkg | bignose <~bignose@eth595.vic.adsl.internode.on.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 108d 1h 19m 34s ago, saying: 'faw: no such list. licenses are discussed on debian-legal mailing list, and a consensus decision is aimed for.'. |
| 03:30.04 | Peppito | i got rpm, gnome gdm, and kernsel-source 2.6.8 |
| 03:30.08 | cafuego | Hmm, that scum has a static IP |
| 03:30.12 | afra | now I use debian unstable at home; for work debian stable. but for my own server (which will mainly be running postgres/apache), I want to go debian stable but I think some packages my be too old (like gcc, as I compile stuff from source such as apache). I heard I could go testing but security patches aren't released for testing. What are my options? Just stable then? |
| 03:30.14 | nvz | has like everything that could be interesting been done now, and tv is just going to suck from now on? |
| 03:30.26 | GomoX | i should be fine with the bussinesscard sized iso, right? |
| 03:30.26 | Oasis | useruser: Sorry, very new with the dselect/apt-get of debian. Use to be a RedHat user. A novice one at that. >.< |
| 03:30.30 | cafuego | nvz: it's been sucking for years |
| 03:30.30 | thoreauputic | what's the correct command to remount read write ? mount -o something ... |
| 03:30.32 | nvz | I mean I thought it has sucked for at least 3 years now, but still |
| 03:30.35 | cafuego | GomoX: yep |
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| 03:30.44 | followmearound | hey all -- I'm trying to write a simple shell script to launch another X, but it's not working right |
| 03:30.50 | cafuego | Now back in the 80s, tv sucked you! |
| 03:30.52 | useruser | Oasis: np, you'll get the hang of it |
| 03:31.02 | followmearound | export XINITRC=$HOME/.tvinit; startx -- -xf86config /etc/X11/TVConfig :1; |
| 03:31.02 | cafuego | followmearound: startx -- :1 |
| 03:31.07 | followmearound | no, that's working |
| 03:31.11 | nvz | ah the Wonder Years.. |
| 03:31.20 | followmearound | but then my WM starts bitching and it tries to launch gnome |
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| 03:31.49 | afra | sussudio, they lost of a lot of money on that even if it broke the record for most sold 12" |
| 03:31.50 | cafuego | sussudio: Is that the '88 version? |
| 03:32.02 | sussudio | cafuego: no, but i have that one too |
| 03:32.05 | Soyrunner | I'm using port forward back to a 192.168.1.16 for access from the internet to a personal BBS. Firewall at school isn't allowing throughput. Can I use Apache VirtualHost to route to a local machine through such a firewall? |
| 03:32.08 | smacnay | thanks |
| 03:32.12 | Peppito | anyone know if Nforce 2 Soundstorm is supported by linux or what ever |
| 03:32.18 | rares000 | tv sucks because the majority of tv viewers suck |
| 03:32.22 | michal | i've been trying and trying but I havn't been able to configure gdm to work with Xvnc.. does anyone know if it's possible? following the redhat specific instructions doesn't work |
| 03:32.55 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 03:32.57 | Oasis | useruser: It says my debconf is not installed. |
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| 03:33.10 | Xsquared | hey, i have a server box that has only programs from the stable section. I'd like to get more programs and learn more bout this stuff. The server is hosting 2 web pages and email. Would changing from stable to unstable/testing be appropriate? |
| 03:33.16 | sussudio | cafuego: wake me up before you go go |
| 03:33.23 | cafuego | sussudio: DIE! |
| 03:33.27 | abrotman | Xsquared: no |
| 03:33.29 | Piggy | JITTERBUG |
| 03:33.32 | abrotman | !sarge security |
| 03:33.34 | abrotman | bah |
| 03:33.35 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 03:33.47 | useruser | Oasis: eh? how did you install debian on this machine, anyway? |
| 03:33.49 | Xsquared | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:34.08 | Oasis | useruser: net-inst. burned an iso. |
| 03:34.22 | abrotman | Xsquared: there are no security updates for sarge currently |
| 03:34.24 | mohohaha | so sid doesn't have security patch ?? |
| 03:34.33 | MerlinCorey | Xsquared: personally, and this is just from my perspective, I would say yes, because sarge will becoming stable, so ensure that your sources say "sarge" and not "testing"... that way when sarge IS stable, you will get the security updates in a timely manner, as testing does not get security updates in a timely manner, which is not ideal for a webserver... |
| 03:34.44 | useruser | Oasis: i'm pretty surprised debconf isn't there, then. apt-get install debconf |
| 03:34.44 | michal | is there an ETA for the release of sarge? |
| 03:34.46 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: it's an external server |
| 03:34.46 | mohohaha | wouldn't sarge and sid be less secure? |
| 03:34.48 | MerlinCorey | Xsquared: but the risk seems low right now, so you can balance it out :) |
| 03:34.52 | sussudio | michal: wir |
| 03:34.53 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:34.55 | abrotman | !security |
| 03:34.55 | dpkg | hmm... security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Unstable is usually kept up-to-date without having a separate place to download from. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". for non-us security add "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" to your sources.list |
| 03:35.00 | Oasis | useruser: Tried that. Doesn't work. Let me get that exact message. |
| 03:35.02 | abrotman | you know |
| 03:35.08 | abrotman | some of these factoids are lacking |
| 03:35.15 | michal | sussudio: fine.. then give me a time when gnome2.8 will enter sarge |
| 03:35.24 | abrotman | michal: it won't |
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| 03:35.26 | Peppito | No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel what does this error message mean and how can I fix it |
| 03:35.31 | sussudio | do. you. enjoy. what you dooo |
| 03:35.38 | spirax | is there a way i can tell the dependencies for a package? |
| 03:35.39 | cafuego | nvz: Step away from that mr Mr song lyrics sheet |
| 03:35.49 | sussudio | spirax: apt-cache show package |
| 03:35.52 | abrotman | spirax: apt-cache |
| 03:35.54 | useruser | Oasis: are you ircing from the debian machine? |
| 03:35.57 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: yeah, agreed, but he's hosting two pages, I think he'll be fine for the few months before sarge actually goes stable... |
| 03:35.58 | mohohaha | !ps2 |
| 03:35.58 | dpkg | [ps2] either a serial port for like keyboards and mice or the PlayStation 2 which does 4x DVD and plays PS2 games, or the line-continuation prompt enviromental variable |
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| 03:36.00 | nvz | cafuego: the what? |
| 03:36.01 | michal | abrot: how come? it's the current stable release :/ worth delaying sarge for |
| 03:36.09 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: i think he means two sites |
| 03:36.10 | useruser | Oasis: it would make things easier as you could paste stuff exactly |
| 03:36.15 | cafuego | nvz: .. or the chicken gets it! |
| 03:36.33 | abrotman | michal: you don't understand debian's definition of stable |
| 03:36.47 | nvz | I dont know who Mr Song is.. |
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| 03:37.01 | Oasis | useruser: no, i'm not. i didn't think i could. |
| 03:37.02 | michal | abrotman: i do.. it means that it has been tested to be stable.. on all supported architectures |
| 03:37.11 | useruser | Oasis: ok. what is in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 03:37.36 | smacnay | say he-lo-o-o-o say he-lo-o-o-o... |
| 03:37.38 | abrotman | michal: and they have to reduce the number of bugs .. you can't keep craming shit in |
| 03:37.47 | Oasis | useruser: anyway for me to get irc while just in commandline and still use it effectively? i have no gnome or anything. |
| 03:37.59 | smacnay | useruser: a listing of where your box updates from. |
| 03:37.59 | useruser | Oasis: yes, apt-get install irssi |
| 03:38.06 | useruser | Oasis: yes, apt-get install irssi screen |
| 03:38.11 | useruser | smacnay: yeah, thanks |
| 03:38.12 | Oasis | useruser: i will get that. |
| 03:38.20 | smacnay | nvz: IS that in A? Hmm. |
| 03:38.21 | michal | abrot: is there any sort of plan on phasing things like gnome2.8 into some revision of sarge down the track? |
| 03:38.24 | nvz | smacnay: F |
| 03:38.28 | nvz | smacnay: starts on A |
| 03:38.41 | mohohaha | how to install x windows 4.4 |
| 03:38.53 | MerlinCorey | michal: possibly as a backport some time... |
| 03:38.55 | Oasis | useruser: it is now letting me select how i want to view/edit my packages, such as, frontline, gnome, non-interactive, etc. which one should I choose? |
| 03:39.02 | useruser | Oasis: good |
| 03:39.03 | smacnay | nvz: hmm, I can't say I ever recall it modulating. Shows how closely I ever listened to it. |
| 03:39.03 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: stable testing or sid? |
| 03:39.06 | useruser | Oasis: i suggest readline |
| 03:39.10 | mohohaha | MerlinCorey, sid |
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| 03:39.21 | nvz | smacnay: doesnt modulate I am just not formally educated in any way. |
| 03:39.22 | Oasis | useruser: K. I will use that and try to install irssi. One second. |
| 03:39.30 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: then you should know, otherwise you shouldn't be using sid..? |
| 03:39.45 | nvz | smacnay: just progresses A, F, D, G through the song and like A, C, D, G during the Mr Jones part. |
| 03:39.46 | smacnay | nvz: I should listed to that again some time. |
| 03:39.46 | mohohaha | ??? |
| 03:39.54 | michal | i think i am going to reinstall my debian system.. i think i've screwed it a bit more than I intended.. |
| 03:39.59 | mohohaha | maybe i shouldn't be using debian huh |
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| 03:40.27 | nvz | smacnay: the original 1993 August & Everything After version anyhow. they've never played it like that since |
| 03:40.27 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: it's just that there are things you should know how to do well before using sid... |
| 03:40.27 | smacnay | mohohaha: generally, sid is not a good idea for people to eun unless they are ready roll up their sleeves and fix things the odd time. |
| 03:40.35 | thoreauputic | Oasis: actually apt-get install irssi-text |
| 03:40.56 | smacnay | mohohaha: Debian is cool... go with stable or testing. |
| 03:40.56 | mohohaha | i'm using sid because i can't stand those old packages in woody and sarge |
| 03:40.56 | nvz | smacnay: I like the acousting version where he stars out playing Tom Petty so you wanna be a rock n roll star. |
| 03:41.00 | thoreauputic | Oasis: that seems to be the package name |
| 03:41.15 | useruser | Oasis: yeah, my mistake |
| 03:41.43 | smacnay | mohohaha: testing is a more current than stable but without some of the potential pitfalls of sid (at least so I find). |
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| 03:41.56 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: that's not a good reason to use sid :) |
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| 03:42.02 | smacnay | nvz: haven't heard that one |
| 03:42.12 | michal | does anyone here know of any way of redirecting all sound generated on a machine via a vritual sound device (or some other alternative) over the network to a windows machine? |
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| 03:42.23 | nvz | smacnay: I've got a Takamine G Series EG-240 RS |
| 03:42.41 | nvz | smacnay: traded in my Fender Squire for it. |
| 03:42.45 | smacnay | mohohaha: I hear ya, but after one major glitch in sid, you (and I) would be wishing we were using testing or stable. |
| 03:42.57 | stew | michal: icecast? |
| 03:43.01 | smacnay | nvz: nice guitar. Takamine are great. |
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| 03:43.11 | michal | sid is fine.. it's experimental that's got me worried :P |
| 03:43.12 | MerlinCorey | !sidsmite mohohaha |
| 03:43.12 | stew | michal: well that wouldn't be "all sound generates" |
| 03:43.14 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 03:43.16 | nvz | smacnay: yeah its acoustic-electric |
| 03:43.24 | nvz | smacnay: most expensive guitar I ever had |
| 03:43.39 | smacnay | nvz: I bet. But they are worth the money. |
| 03:43.39 | mohohaha | hmm, so debian's problem arises: woody and sarge packages are out of date, and sid is not stable nor secure |
| 03:43.40 | michal | stew: i'm after everything go via the network.. beeps included |
| 03:43.52 | abrotman | ovation is crap |
| 03:43.54 | nvz | smacnay: I figure if I got somewhere to plug it in, cool.. but if I am ever down and out, I can still jam |
| 03:44.01 | flanker | can anyone quickly tell me why the loopback address must be in the routing table? |
| 03:44.09 | abrotman | but really they are |
| 03:44.10 | peterS | abrotman: you do that a lot. where do you tend to run to? |
| 03:44.15 | smacnay | nvz: true - better amplified sound too. |
| 03:44.16 | michal | is there no way to get also to redirect over the network? or something like that |
| 03:44.17 | abrotman | peterS: mexican food |
| 03:44.21 | michal | or at LEAST duplicate the sound over the network |
| 03:44.24 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: did you come here to troll..? |
| 03:44.30 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: we don't like trolls... |
| 03:44.31 | peterS | abrotman: gotcha. *that* kind of "runs". I took it for a verb, not a noun |
| 03:44.51 | mohohaha | i'm a troll if you think so |
| 03:44.58 | abrotman | but still .. ovation sucks |
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| 03:45.31 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: a free guitar is a free guitar and by definition sucks a lot less than my $100 jasmine... |
| 03:45.34 | michal | also... does anyone know if it is possible to list only experimental packages with synaptic? i havn't been able to figure out how to create such a filter |
| 03:45.37 | mohohaha | at least this is the problem im facing: out of date packages in sid/sarge and sid not stable and cant install x window |
| 03:45.39 | abrotman | they still suck |
| 03:45.46 | abrotman | mohohaha: go the hell away |
| 03:45.49 | abrotman | you're an idiot |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | hehe .. the intersection drawing in Chasing Amy |
| 03:46.20 | stew | flanker: the loopback address does not need to be in the routing table |
| 03:46.24 | smacnay | mohohaha: go with an install of sarge and just change your sources if you want sid. |
| 03:46.27 | mohohaha | i guess i'm an idiot to install debian and ask for help here after all |
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| 03:46.40 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: xserver-xfree86 (4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 [alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, sparc], 4.3.0.dfsg.1-7 [hurd-i386]) |
| 03:46.46 | abrotman | mohohaha: if you come here and slam it .. you are |
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| 03:47.12 | Guerin | mohohaha: no, you're an idiot to install sid without being competent, and to complain about sarge being out of date. |
| 03:47.19 | thoreauputic | mohohaha: no, your idiocy is that you haven't done your research and don't understand how debian works |
| 03:47.27 | flanker | stew: I'm just looking at someoe else boot up script and they have route add -net 127.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 |
| 03:47.32 | abrotman | espeically since sarge and sid have almost identical packages you moron |
| 03:48.01 | mohohaha | i really don't know how debian works now... i thought this was a help channel.. |
| 03:48.03 | stew | flanker: i'm looking at my routing table, and there is no route for localhost |
| 03:48.19 | mohohaha | thanks for help |
| 03:48.24 | abrotman | mohohaha: do you need help or not? |
| 03:48.25 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: so if you want to install x-windows, there you go, that's the package... |
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| 03:48.30 | nvz | smacnay: I would have rather had the blue one but they sold it before I got up there. this red one is very pretty though, I like the darker cherry color, my squire was like bright red. I was lucky to get it the music stores in morgantown all sucked.. that one for the longest time only sold yamaha's and I didnt like any of them |
| 03:48.31 | Guerin | mohohaha: read the faq, then we'll help |
| 03:48.31 | abrotman | !tell mohohaha about setup x |
| 03:48.35 | tcsetattr | mohohaha, lose the bleeding-edge obsession and learn the correct name of the X Window System, and you won't look so much like an ignoramus |
| 03:48.41 | michal | abro: sid does seem to have a much better selection.. but then there's pinning.. you can run mostly sarge and a few packages out of sid.. or rebuild them for sarge |
| 03:48.46 | flanker | thanks stew :) |
| 03:48.53 | useruser | mohohaha: qref.sf.net |
| 03:48.54 | Nyle | ignoramus? |
| 03:48.55 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | michal: or not mix .. better idea |
| 03:49.04 | mohohaha | yah i got that, MerlinCorey |
| 03:49.19 | MerlinCorey | michal: are you using the only IRC client around today without tab completion..? |
| 03:49.21 | Nyle | thats a funnyon e |
| 03:49.22 | MerlinCorey | michal: :p |
| 03:49.27 | hippo | stew: is there one for localnet? |
| 03:49.27 | Oasis | useruser: It complains about my AT Keyboard timing out? |
| 03:49.35 | peterS | Nyle: ignoramus is a good word. many ignoramuses don't know what it means |
| 03:49.44 | Guerin | peterS: ignorami |
| 03:49.46 | michal | abro: the solution to not mixing is to run sid. i've never actually had significant problems with sid though.. as long as i don't autoclean my debs before i know new packages are fine i can always go back |
| 03:49.50 | smacnay | I would rather be an ignoramus than an inyouranus |
| 03:49.53 | useruser | Oasis: what does? |
| 03:49.53 | stew | hippo: no |
| 03:49.54 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:49.54 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: so then what do you need help with..? |
| 03:49.57 | Guerin | michal: don't. |
| 03:50.02 | Guerin | !sid evangelism |
| 03:50.02 | dpkg | i guess sid evangelism is Sure, run Sid all you like - do as you please - just don't advise inexperienced users to run unstable as their main debian install. If you do, you get to help them exclusively, and #debian gets to curse your name for ever more. |
| 03:50.11 | Oasis | useruser: when i try to apt-get install something. |
| 03:50.12 | michal | merlin: xchat2.. tab completion more often than not completes to the wrong name for me :/ |
| 03:50.23 | useruser | Oasis: never heard of that one. tried google? |
| 03:50.25 | Nyle | my parents got company over and they got loud indian music playing and buncha india people are here an pakistani people and its fucking annoying |
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| 03:50.30 | mohohaha | MerlinCorey, right now, nothing.. |
| 03:50.39 | kaplanfx | michael__: its foobar for me too |
| 03:50.42 | MerlinCorey | mohohaha: ok, just checking, this being a help channel and all... |
| 03:50.43 | kaplanfx | case in point :) |
| 03:50.52 | kaplanfx | michal: that was for you |
| 03:50.54 | michal | guerin: why are you telling ME not to run sid though? |
| 03:50.57 | abrotman | mohohaha: so you just came here to bitch? |
| 03:50.59 | smacnay | michal: I had one prob with sid a few years ago (on a now old dead machine). dpkg broke. |
| 03:51.19 | Guerin | michal: I'n not. I'm telling you not to recommend it to people who can't find it for themselves. |
| 03:51.22 | mohohaha | ... |
| 03:51.32 | michal | i've had the occasional sid problem too.. but most problems were long ago.. lately sid has been very stable *for me* |
| 03:51.46 | michal | guerin: i never recommended it to anyone.. |
| 03:51.51 | smacnay | michal: I am just running testing and am happy enough. |
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| 03:52.05 | Guerin | !stable means DOESN'T CHANGE. If sid has been that for you, then your sources.list is set up wrong. |
| 03:52.05 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Guerin |
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| 03:52.14 | Guerin | stable means DOESN'T CHANGE. If sid has been that for you, then your sources.list is set up wrong. |
| 03:52.18 | hippo | stew: strange...but does ping 127.0.0.3 work? |
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| 03:52.28 | sussudio | so superman where are you now? when everything's gone wrong somehow? |
| 03:52.43 | stew | hippo: yes |
| 03:52.44 | abrotman | Guerin: you remapped your } to ! ? |
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| 03:52.49 | smacnay | !who am i |
| 03:52.49 | dpkg | smacnay shut up, you are a nobody |
| 03:52.54 | smacnay | thanks |
| 03:52.55 | michal | ideally i wish i could see what packages were in all the releases easily.. can't be done yet as easily as i would like.. but it's a LOT better than it used to be |
| 03:52.57 | Guerin | abrotman: n0p3 |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | heh |
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| 03:53.04 | hippo | stew: then don't worry much about it ;) |
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| 03:53.07 | smacnay | !who are you? |
| 03:53.07 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 03:53.14 | abrotman | !what are you |
| 03:53.14 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:53.18 | Oasis | useruser: I think it might have completed apt-get install of xfree86 and xserver but i'm not sure. |
| 03:53.22 | smacnay | I love it when he goes ape over me. |
| 03:53.25 | m0ss | can anyone help me with debian install? |
| 03:53.27 | abrotman | DanC: madwifi and prism54.org |
| 03:53.42 | useruser | Oasis: try running startx (as a non-root user, preferably) |
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| 03:53.48 | Oasis | useruser: it just went through installation, asked me a lot of questions about my system, and then exited. |
| 03:53.52 | smacnay | !where are you? |
| 03:53.52 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 03:53.57 | useruser | Oasis: that's good |
| 03:54.02 | DanC | I've read a bit about madwifi, but I can't quite tell if, for example, the Belkin F5D7000 works. |
| 03:54.08 | abrotman | not quite sure how longitude goes negative |
| 03:54.15 | m0ss | sooo |
| 03:54.16 | stew | hippo: who said i was worried? i was just responding to someone who was asking why such a route was required (which it isn't) |
| 03:54.17 | DanC | (belkin http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=150774) |
| 03:54.20 | Oasis | useruser: how do i start it safely? |
| 03:54.24 | thoreauputic | m0ss: probably - be a bit more specific and someone might be able to help |
| 03:54.43 | Oasis | useruser: that being, how do i start the xserver? i think is my question. |
| 03:54.51 | m0ss | i keep trying to install debian but it keeps freezing |
| 03:54.51 | smacnay | Oasis: startx |
| 03:55.01 | Oasis | smacnay: tried that, doesn't work. |
| 03:55.01 | nvz | sussudio: superman died |
| 03:55.03 | m0ss | this last time it froze unpacking gimp |
| 03:55.08 | smacnay | Oasis: xinit |
| 03:55.11 | useruser | Oasis: try running startx (as a non-root user, preferably) |
| 03:55.21 | Nyle | lex lugar won |
| 03:55.23 | Nyle | :( |
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| 03:55.26 | GomoX | m0ss: faulty memory? |
| 03:55.39 | m0ss | explain |
| 03:55.39 | GomoX | temperature issues? |
| 03:55.44 | m0ss | No temp issues |
| 03:55.53 | GomoX | computers don't just "freeze" unless something is really wrong |
| 03:55.54 | hippo | stew: however, with a default woody install I have one for localnet |
| 03:55.57 | GomoX | like, bad memory |
| 03:56.03 | m0ss | RAM? |
| 03:56.06 | GomoX | yeap |
| 03:56.11 | m0ss | crap |
| 03:56.14 | useruser | m0ss: try memtest86 |
| 03:56.18 | smacnay | Is there a command to show current uptime? |
| 03:56.22 | m0ss | theres nothing on it |
| 03:56.25 | GomoX | uptime |
| 03:56.28 | thoreauputic | smacnay: uptime |
| 03:56.30 | smacnay | doh! |
| 03:56.32 | Guerin | smacnay: strangely enough |
| 03:56.34 | m0ss | i cant get it fully operating |
| 03:56.37 | smacnay | would be that obvious. |
| 03:56.45 | initech | m0ss: bad i/o controller can send the OS to hell as well |
| 03:56.54 | MerlinCorey | smacnay: and uptimed is nice, too... |
| 03:56.57 | GomoX | smacnay: real uptime geeks apt-get install uptimed |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | yay .. bad i/o .. more mexican food |
| 03:57.00 | michal | shame there are no well supported network audio systems :/ |
| 03:57.15 | m0ss | refresh me on what the i/o controller is |
| 03:57.19 | michal | cross platform network audio systems rather |
| 03:57.20 | smacnay | GomoX: a daemon? why would one run a daemon? |
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| 03:57.35 | Oasis | useruser: Got nothing with both xinit and startx. >.< |
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| 03:57.39 | initech | m0ss: ide, scsi controller practically speaking |
| 03:57.48 | m0ss | right |
| 03:57.49 | GomoX | smacnay, it monitors your uptime and keeps track of your highest uptimes, notifies you when you break a record |
| 03:57.52 | Nyle | gomox, mine did that for 3 months almost, i changed ram sticks and what not, but in the end i took out my processor and looked and saw that some of the grey goo between the heatsink and the processor was getting to the sides of the porc. so i wiped it off with a paper towel, put the cpu back in and now it works. before i did this, it would freeze up at random times, if the power was on, it would freeze, during bios settings or during loading th |
| 03:57.53 | GomoX | etc |
| 03:57.56 | Oasis | useruser: i think it might of crashed and just didn't say it did. |
| 03:57.59 | Zyberdog | how do I install a .deb file? |
| 03:58.02 | useruser | Oasis: waddaya mean got nothing? you have to say exactly what happened when you ran those programs |
| 03:58.02 | smacnay | Oasis: what do you see on the screen? Any EE messages - chaeck the X log. |
| 03:58.07 | initech | m0ss: or bad cables, terminators, et al |
| 03:58.14 | Nyle | it hasn't frozen once since |
| 03:58.15 | m0ss | probably memory |
| 03:58.16 | MerlinCorey | smacnay: uptimed keeps uprecords |
| 03:58.21 | GomoX | Nyle: that was some bad goo |
| 03:58.26 | hippo | Zyberdog: dpkg -i package.deb |
| 03:58.26 | Nyle | yeh it was |
| 03:58.27 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:58.28 | GomoX | Nyle, goo shouldnt be conducting |
| 03:58.35 | Nyle | it wasn't |
| 03:58.35 | m0ss | all of the other components are practically new |
| 03:58.37 | smacnay | GomoX: ah. That is ok I guess. I don't plan on setting or keeping track of my home box records. |
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| 03:58.46 | Nyle | i dujnno |
| 03:58.47 | Nyle | brb |
| 03:58.53 | GomoX | Nyle, oh you mean stuff would overheat because of it? |
| 03:59.06 | m0ss | the memory is the only thing im unsure of |
| 03:59.12 | Zyberdog | hippo, thanks |
| 03:59.13 | smacnay | Oasis: did you install xdm? |
| 03:59.26 | m0ss | or at least a stick of it |
| 03:59.30 | smacnay | Oasis: did you configure X at all? |
| 03:59.46 | GomoX | smacnay, heh thats fine too - uptime is the digital version of penis size |
| 03:59.59 | GomoX | well im off to try this netinst iso and try to get my system back |
| 04:00.16 | smacnay | GomoX: good luck |
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| 04:00.22 | Oasis | smacnay: don't think so. maybe? |
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| 04:00.36 | m0ss | do i have to delete and create ne wpartitions every time? |
| 04:00.40 | smacnay | how many of the Debian install CD's does one need to start an install to finish off with netinstall? |
| 04:00.47 | m0ss | one |
| 04:00.51 | m0ss | the first one |
| 04:00.53 | smacnay | Oasis: what kind of card do you have (vid card)? |
| 04:00.59 | Oasis | smacnay: nvidia. |
| 04:01.23 | smacnay | m0ss: damn, I d/l and burnt all 14 - more for fun than anything. Good to have handy I guess. |
| 04:01.26 | Oasis | smacnay: nvidia geforce4. |
| 04:01.34 | smacnay | Oasis: did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 04:02.07 | Oasis | smacnay: not really, no. |
| 04:02.08 | smacnay | Oasis: you don't need to but without them you will not get OpenGL accelerated graphics. |
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| 04:02.30 | Oasis | smacnay: more worried about just getting x up and going. |
| 04:02.49 | Oasis | smacnay: i would like opengl accelerated graphics eventually though. =) |
| 04:03.12 | abrotman | work? |
| 04:03.22 | WiFiTux | he most be in europe |
| 04:03.33 | abrotman | no .. MI |
| 04:03.36 | hippo | is there any program using 3d in linux (except games)? |
| 04:03.42 | abrotman | blender |
| 04:03.45 | abrotman | glxgears |
| 04:03.52 | abrotman | screensavers |
| 04:04.07 | nvz | hippo: if you just want test 3d, thats what glxgears is for |
| 04:04.13 | abrotman | what uses 3d in windows .. except games |
| 04:04.28 | peterS | abrotman: CAD |
| 04:04.36 | m0ss | should i go with window x/gnome/kde? the only one ive used before is gnome, and windowmaker but thats not a gui |
| 04:04.40 | abrotman | yeah .. we have cad in linux too |
| 04:04.42 | sussudio | greycad? |
| 04:04.44 | m0ss | or x win rather |
| 04:04.48 | abrotman | blender is a bad cad program :) |
| 04:04.50 | Oasis | smacnay: do i want xserver-xfree86-dbg or xserver-xfree86?, do they have performance differences? |
| 04:04.53 | michal | i have to ask |
| 04:05.00 | peterS | abrotman: not like in Windows. none of the high-end CAD software supports Linux |
| 04:05.05 | WiFiTux | hippo, I was looking for the same thing, best thing is glxgears and maximize it |
| 04:05.09 | smacnay | Oasis: do this, change to root and run - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:05.14 | abrotman | peterS: i thought autocad ported |
| 04:05.20 | peterS | abrotman: autocad isn't high-end |
| 04:05.21 | MerlinCorey | (I work at home for those that haven't picked up on it, yet - so I work my own hours, too, just sensitive of deadlines :p) |
| 04:05.22 | michal | why does gnome2.8 (amongst other things) need libxft1 when libxft2 is supposed to be used now? |
| 04:05.26 | WiFiTux | there's a Linux Autocad.. |
| 04:05.29 | smacnay | Oasis: you installed the .deb, right? The Debian X package. |
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| 04:05.37 | abrotman | peterS: it's the highest i know |
| 04:05.47 | abrotman | peterS: the only thing i remember otherwise was the stuff for sun boxes |
| 04:05.59 | Oasis | smacnay: I believe so. |
| 04:06.03 | peterS | abrotman: high-end is ProEngineer, CATIA, Unigraphics. $10000 per seat per year, type of high end |
| 04:06.19 | abrotman | yeah .. i don't do cad .. or think it's interesting |
| 04:06.26 | nvz | michal: sounds like a question from #gnome, or the someone more technical than people here, gnome 2.8 is in experimental most people arent even concerned with it |
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| 04:06.43 | WiFiTux | Someone has a car computer? |
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| 04:06.51 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: and PTC has ported Pro/Engineeer to Linux |
| 04:07.00 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: oh, true. I'd forgotten that |
| 04:07.00 | smacnay | Oasis: as root - 'apt-get install xserver-xfree86' |
| 04:07.01 | orionis | howto, change 100MB to 10MB rate of my eth0 on linux ??? |
| 04:07.13 | thoreauputic | michal: (wild stab in the dark ) bacward compatibility? |
| 04:07.17 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: I used to work for them :) |
| 04:07.19 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: CATIA pwns ProE |
| 04:07.21 | thoreauputic | *backward |
| 04:07.31 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: it was the bane of my life :D |
| 04:07.34 | smacnay | Oasis: mii-tools might - not sure |
| 04:07.35 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 04:07.42 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: :D |
| 04:07.47 | michal | thoreauputic: that would be only for things which are built with it.. but the dependencies seem to be a spaghetti mess |
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| 04:08.03 | smacnay | Oasis: did you run that command? |
| 04:08.13 | cafuego | peterS: in soviet russia ProE pwns CATIA |
| 04:08.13 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: you worked for PTC? |
| 04:08.42 | thoreauputic | michal: well I have no idea, basically - I guess asking in #gnome would be more productive |
| 04:09.19 | Oasis | smacnay: Yes, it is asking me questions about my graphics card. |
| 04:09.20 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: yep |
| 04:09.26 | michal | aha! |
| 04:09.31 | abrotman | !#gnome |
| 04:09.31 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gimp.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:09.41 | michal | it's xlibs and gnome-terminal.. only 2 i have installed that depend on libxft1 :/ |
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| 04:09.52 | smacnay | choose the default stuff, but under the section of which card you have, select 'nv' |
| 04:09.53 | michal | unfortunately xlibs takes almost everythign with it |
| 04:10.13 | jetscreamer | say no to framebugger |
| 04:10.17 | smacnay | Oasis: do you know what your monitor can handle? If so, select the refresh rates appropriately. |
| 04:10.17 | jetscreamer | bufer even |
| 04:10.28 | michal | framebuffer is the best |
| 04:10.30 | Oasis | smacnay: Okay, I did that, but what is a video system bus identifier? Heh. |
| 04:10.47 | jetscreamer | PCI:1:0:0 |
| 04:10.47 | smacnay | Oasis: the 'nv' driver is for your nvidia card. |
| 04:10.48 | cafuego | oait's where you just hit return, like the screen says. |
| 04:10.59 | smacnay | Oasis: it should autodetect that. |
| 04:11.10 | initech | scarynetworkguy: any idea why my dsl router is constantly sending link layer traffic to my pc (not ip)? |
| 04:11.14 | smacnay | Oasis: PCI bus identification number. |
| 04:11.14 | michal | btw.. there's also the nvidia driver if you get the commercial drivers |
| 04:11.32 | flanker | can anyone here assist me with a question on environment settings? |
| 04:11.35 | scarynetworkguy | initech: nope |
| 04:11.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | beowulf is not in the official distro ? :'( |
| 04:11.47 | Oasis | smacnay: K but how do I know my PCI bus identification number? >.< |
| 04:11.50 | scarynetworkguy | initech: mostly cause I'm not in the mood to really think tonight |
| 04:11.57 | jetscreamer | i jsut told it to you |
| 04:12.00 | smacnay | Oasis: just leave that blank. |
| 04:12.03 | jetscreamer | but hit enter it wil autodetect |
| 04:12.16 | Oasis | Thanks. |
| 04:12.41 | m0ss | shouldnt the debian setup be able to connect to one of the http servers for the apt to get info from if ive got an onboard ethernet plugged in to our working internet connection? |
| 04:12.53 | smacnay | Oasis: the main thing is that you select 'nv' for your card. |
| 04:13.10 | jetscreamer | if you have the nic module loaded and the network set up properly yes |
| 04:13.31 | m0ss | what is the nic module? |
| 04:13.39 | initech | scarynetworkguy: ok. neither am i :) |
| 04:13.45 | m0ss | the network obviously works because im here talking |
| 04:14.00 | jetscreamer | then yes |
| 04:14.06 | thoreauputic | m0ss: have you run apt-setup? |
| 04:14.08 | nvz | hmmz |
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| 04:14.12 | m0ss | its runnin |
| 04:14.12 | jetscreamer | obviously? no, you could have 2 boxes |
| 04:14.17 | m0ss | sorry |
| 04:14.32 | m0ss | i have 2 disks burnt with debian |
| 04:14.41 | m0ss | didnt want to burn them all... |
| 04:14.58 | jetscreamer | you usually only need cd#1 but d-i is better |
| 04:15.05 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you don't need to - the first is plenty |
| 04:15.18 | m0ss | but the apt and the security thing cant connect to their respective http servers |
| 04:15.21 | smacnay | Oasis: when that is finished running - as root -> cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep Driver |
| 04:15.44 | flanker | is anyone here free, I have a question? |
| 04:15.45 | m0ss | the network is all hooked up and the lights are on on the hub |
| 04:15.51 | smacnay | m0ss: my install is off of 4 floppies and it worked. |
| 04:15.53 | jetscreamer | no we all cost money |
| 04:16.04 | thoreauputic | !tell flanker about ask |
| 04:16.08 | Guerin | we might be cheap, but we're not free |
| 04:16.20 | flanker | seriously guys |
| 04:16.28 | flanker | I have a question about environment variables |
| 04:16.28 | jetscreamer | yep, seriously |
| 04:16.33 | rares000 | what's a good rss applet for gnome |
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| 04:16.48 | smacnay | flanker: not an area I have played with... yet. |
| 04:17.00 | smacnay | Oasis: what is happening? |
| 04:17.01 | jetscreamer | yeh i know nothing about env |
| 04:17.15 | misterbonnie | lol |
| 04:17.41 | flanker | within a script, you can say IPADDRESS = 10.0.0.1 does that become an environment variable that can later be called up as $IPADDRESS |
| 04:17.44 | jetscreamer | m0ss you can ping the servers? |
| 04:17.47 | smacnay | flanker: try 'man setenv' |
| 04:17.51 | misterbonnie | flanker: no |
| 04:17.57 | m0ss | smacnay- did you use the http server when setting up apt? |
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| 04:18.03 | scarynetworkguy | god that's an ugly address |
| 04:18.03 | smacnay | m0ss: yes |
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| 04:18.25 | m0ss | mine couldnt connect |
| 04:18.29 | m0ss | for some reason |
| 04:18.48 | m0ss | i suppose it has to do with my hardware....but i have the ethernet adapter enabled in bios |
| 04:18.54 | jetscreamer | can you ping the servers |
| 04:18.58 | thoreauputic | m0ss: as jetscreamer says, can you ping the server? |
| 04:19.07 | m0ss | not sure |
| 04:19.17 | m0ss | im still trying to get through setup |
| 04:19.25 | m0ss | been doing this since 6pm |
| 04:19.27 | smacnay | flanker: I believe if you 'set IPADDRESS=10.0.0.1' - it becomes an env variable for your current session. |
| 04:19.29 | m0ss | its 12 now |
| 04:19.41 | jetscreamer | moss what chip does your nic use |
| 04:19.54 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 04:20.04 | jetscreamer | you're typing to us from this box |
| 04:20.05 | tcsetattr | flanker, the export command turns shell variables into environment variables |
| 04:20.08 | smacnay | flanker: not sure about from within scripts |
| 04:20.24 | smacnay | Oasis: you there? |
| 04:20.33 | tcsetattr | when you say foo=bar, you create a shell variable. If you export foo, it will then be an environment variable |
| 04:20.36 | Oasis | smacnay: Just got back from answering all those questions. |
| 04:20.50 | flanker | smacnay: and I assume that can then be called up in a script by referencing it b $IPADDRESS... do you know how I can see what else is set, or how I can view these parameters in the environment settings? |
| 04:21.02 | m0ss | jet- nic...you mean what processor? |
| 04:21.05 | Oasis | smacnay: I selected Nv, like you said, and answered other questions about my system and it exited without any error, I think. |
| 04:21.11 | smacnay | flanker: read tcsetattr - he knows |
| 04:21.17 | jetscreamer | Network Interface Card |
| 04:21.21 | m0ss | oh |
| 04:21.26 | smacnay | Oasis: good. |
| 04:21.28 | jetscreamer | thingy you plug the internet into |
| 04:21.30 | m0ss | dont know...its integrated on the mobo |
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| 04:21.37 | Oasis | smacnay: what should i do next? |
| 04:21.39 | m0ss | the mobo is a SiS |
| 04:21.44 | smacnay | Oasis: now, as 'user' and not 'root' - type 'startx' |
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| 04:21.51 | m0ss | at least most of the components are |
| 04:21.56 | jetscreamer | sis900 module probably, fyi |
| 04:21.56 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: stop with the really techincal terms |
| 04:22.02 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 04:22.08 | jetscreamer | how about doohickey |
| 04:22.08 | m0ss | Ok |
| 04:22.24 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: and could you vague it up just a bit please |
| 04:22.25 | m0ss | so how do i get back to the driver menu? |
| 04:22.31 | thoreauputic | m0ss: well clearly it was detected so it's not an issue - try finding an apt server address and pinging it |
| 04:22.33 | smacnay | Oasis: any luck |
| 04:22.50 | Oasis | smacynay: nope. >.< |
| 04:22.53 | jetscreamer | m0ss, you say you are using this box, at the moment, to communicate to us via irc, correct? |
| 04:23.00 | m0ss | Yes |
| 04:23.00 | jetscreamer | and doing setup |
| 04:23.04 | m0ss | im on my windows cp |
| 04:23.07 | m0ss | pc |
| 04:23.13 | m0ss | setup on my other on |
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| 04:23.14 | m0ss | e |
| 04:23.19 | m0ss | two comps in my room |
| 04:23.20 | followmearound | xinit /etc/X11/tvinit -- /usr/X11R6/bin/X -xf86config /etc/X11/TVConfig :1 |
| 04:23.25 | followmearound | why is that freaking out on me? |
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| 04:23.31 | Oasis | smacnay: nothing, not sure what i'm doing wrong. |
| 04:23.33 | smacnay | Oasis: do you have a .xinitrc file? In your home dir? |
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| 04:23.57 | m0ss | setup is running on another comp...while i talk on this working one... |
| 04:24.02 | m0ss | it didnt detect the nis |
| 04:24.04 | m0ss | nic |
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| 04:24.21 | Oasis | smacnay: no, i don't. |
| 04:24.50 | jetscreamer | ok m0ss go back to the installer menu and do the networksetup |
| 04:24.56 | jetscreamer | wait |
| 04:24.59 | m0ss | i cant |
| 04:25.12 | m0ss | its installing the desktop |
| 04:25.17 | m0ss | gnome |
| 04:25.19 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 04:25.29 | m0ss | hopefully it will work this time |
| 04:25.37 | m0ss | last time it got stuck on gimp |
| 04:25.37 | jetscreamer | !tell m0ss about d-i |
| 04:25.56 | scarynetworkguy | It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Starbucks that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking is a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion |
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| 04:26.09 | Oasis | smacnay: any other ideas? |
| 04:26.17 | jetscreamer | well you should be able to do network setup after it's finished moss |
| 04:26.30 | nvz | sussudio: bunnies take to bbq sauce? |
| 04:26.31 | smacnay | does X use .xinitrc or .Xresources or both? Seems there was one that was obsolete. |
| 04:26.34 | smacnay | Oasis: getting some |
| 04:26.34 | m0ss | Ok |
| 04:26.38 | m0ss | whats that d-i |
| 04:26.42 | m0ss | you mean 3.1 |
| 04:26.46 | smacnay | Oasis: did you install a window manager? |
| 04:26.48 | jetscreamer | btw m0ss did you type bf24 when the cd booted or are we talking ide-pci (aka you typed nothing) |
| 04:26.50 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: don't start the starbucks flamewar up again |
| 04:26.54 | nvz | m0ss: /j #debian-boot, or /topic #debian-boot |
| 04:27.08 | nvz | m0ss: yes its the 3.1 installer |
| 04:27.09 | Oasis | smacnay: i don't think so. maybe. i answered a lot of questions during that config. |
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| 04:27.19 | m0ss | ide |
| 04:27.26 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I'm not but you gotta admit that's pretty damn funny |
| 04:27.42 | smacnay | Oasis: this would be separate from the X install and config. Is this a brand new Debian install? |
| 04:27.42 | m0ss | i set bios to run cd boot at first |
| 04:27.43 | scarynetworkguy | I wanna be a Mentat when I grow up |
| 04:27.44 | jetscreamer | not sure if that kernel has sis900 built in or not.. the bf24 does i'm pretty sure |
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| 04:27.58 | Oasis | smacnay: Yes. Sarge. |
| 04:28.11 | m0ss | i looked through the nics the first time i tried installing |
| 04:28.13 | smacnay | Oasis: did you install gnome and kde? |
| 04:28.19 | jetscreamer | thufir scarynetworkguy |
| 04:28.20 | m0ss | but they all were designated pci |
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| 04:28.26 | m0ss | and i know it was integrated |
| 04:28.27 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: *nod* |
| 04:28.37 | Oasis | smacnay: no. i thought it already did. |
| 04:28.46 | Oasis | smacnay: during base installation and such. |
| 04:28.46 | smacnay | Oasis: probably. |
| 04:28.47 | m0ss | and none of the options had the + next to them |
| 04:28.57 | jetscreamer | m0ss, when i say built in, i mean "built in" |
| 04:29.04 | smacnay | Oasis: try this from console - 'gnome-session' |
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| 04:29.07 | jetscreamer | no selection needed |
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| 04:29.24 | smacnay | Oasis: do you have a .Xresources file? |
| 04:29.36 | jetscreamer | aka compiled in |
| 04:29.41 | m0ss | Yes i know |
| 04:29.47 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 04:29.47 | m0ss | i went with the default linux boot |
| 04:29.51 | Oasis | smacnay: says i don't have that command: gnome-session. |
| 04:29.59 | smacnay | Oasis: hmm. |
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| 04:30.06 | Oasis | smacnay: no .xresource file that i have seen, not sure where it would be located though. |
| 04:30.09 | m0ss | just typed in linux when it prompted me |
| 04:30.13 | Oasis | smacnay: nothing in the home dirs. |
| 04:30.14 | smacnay | hit Alt-F7 together |
| 04:30.15 | Xenobius | yay |
| 04:30.17 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 04:30.24 | jetscreamer | you didn't even have to type linux |
| 04:30.24 | Xenobius | i go everything running :) |
| 04:30.44 | Xenobius | it was as simple as reconfiguring ld.so and running ldconfig :) |
| 04:30.49 | jetscreamer | no it's ctrl+alt+F7 |
| 04:30.51 | smacnay | Oasis: to get back hit Alt-F1 |
| 04:30.53 | smacnay | oops |
| 04:30.57 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 04:31.02 | smacnay | he may not have known that |
| 04:31.10 | jetscreamer | i meant from gui you need to add ctrl |
| 04:31.12 | m0ss | i know |
| 04:31.16 | smacnay | he will think the machine is frozen. |
| 04:31.21 | m0ss | i didnt type linux actually but its the same thing |
| 04:31.31 | jetscreamer | ah okie |
| 04:31.39 | Guerin | !okie |
| 04:31.39 | dpkg | i guess okie is someone from Oklahoma, usually of rustic stock. If you mean OK, just say it. |
| 04:31.46 | Oasis | smacnay: i'm still here. it didn't work. |
| 04:31.47 | m0ss | kernel panic? |
| 04:31.50 | jetscreamer | oh kay can you see |
| 04:31.52 | m0ss | why do they panic? |
| 04:31.59 | Xenobius | hmmm |
| 04:32.00 | smacnay | Oasis: just a blank console (really no console) |
| 04:32.03 | jetscreamer | you got a kernel panic? |
| 04:32.06 | m0ss | Yes |
| 04:32.09 | Xenobius | lol now i have another problm lol |
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| 04:32.18 | m0ss | cpu context corrupt |
| 04:32.23 | Oasis | smacnay: it just logged me out of the session. |
| 04:32.23 | Xenobius | when i start my x-server as a regular user... |
| 04:32.31 | jhagg | anyone configured sendmail as client to a server using PLAIN or LOGIN auth? |
| 04:32.38 | Xenobius | gaim doesn't give me any sound :( |
| 04:32.47 | Oasis | smacnay: just toggled through the ttyl1-6. |
| 04:32.49 | m0ss | yay it just stopped installation |
| 04:32.50 | Guerin | Xenobius: that's a cuase for celebration! |
| 04:33.01 | jetscreamer | m0ss, you can successfully do a woody install with that cd, but if i was you, i'd just say fuggit, and get the d-i image... only like 110mb max |
| 04:33.11 | jetscreamer | oh nm then |
| 04:33.19 | m0ss | Nevermind what? |
| 04:33.20 | jetscreamer | i thought you meant you got a panic just now |
| 04:33.21 | seberino | anyone know what i18n is? international html? ...how does it relate to xml? to docbook (a dtd)? |
| 04:33.24 | Xenobius | guerin: any idea why sound doens't work when i'm not logged in as root and using gaim ? |
| 04:33.25 | m0ss | i did |
| 04:33.39 | The_Vulture | ~tell Xenobius about sound |
| 04:33.41 | Guerin | seberino: i18n = internationalisation, I believe |
| 04:33.55 | jetscreamer | you got a panic and then it finished installation? |
| 04:33.56 | thoreauputic | seberino: locales stuff (languages etc0 |
| 04:33.56 | The_Vulture | ~tell Xenobius about audio |
| 04:34.00 | m0ss | No |
| 04:34.02 | m0ss | it stopped |
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| 04:34.07 | stew | seberino: i18n is just an abriviation for internationalization that comes from the fact that ther are 18 letters abbrevieated |
| 04:34.09 | Guerin | Xenobius: using a sound server like arts or esd? |
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| 04:34.12 | smacnay | Oasis: ok, try this - as user in your home dir - 'cd' -> 'touch .xinitrc' -> 'mc -e .xinitrc' - add the line 'exec /usr/bin/blackbox' at the end -> hit F2 to save. |
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| 04:34.19 | jeward | Hello, any wireless experts in the house? |
| 04:34.36 | scarynetworkguy | i!ask |
| 04:34.39 | scarynetworkguy | !ask |
| 04:34.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 04:34.41 | seberino | Guerin, thoreauputic, stew: thanks, is there an i18n flavor of xml then? |
| 04:34.44 | mwilson | Wireless just is. |
| 04:34.51 | jetscreamer | m0ss, you can successfully do a woody install with that cd, but if i was you, i'd just say fuggit, and get the d-i image... only like 110mb max |
| 04:35.02 | jeward | Can anyone help me get my wireless going on a Dell Inspiron 9100? |
| 04:35.03 | m0ss | i heard you |
| 04:35.05 | stew | seberino: there is not an i18n flavor of xml |
| 04:35.06 | smacnay | Oasis: then try startx in console again |
| 04:35.10 | m0ss | whats the diff? |
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| 04:35.13 | jeward | I have the driver loaded and ndiswrappered. |
| 04:35.20 | m0ss | and how is that going to be better? |
| 04:35.29 | m0ss | its already failed more times than i can count |
| 04:35.37 | jeward | But it doesn't seem to be getting an IP address yet. |
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| 04:35.57 | smacnay | Oasis: if that doesn't work, look at the /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 04:36.14 | jetscreamer | m0ss, it will work, for one |
| 04:36.16 | jetscreamer | but |
| 04:36.18 | andrew` | anyone have a handy url for installing via a serial console with no keyboard attached? |
| 04:36.19 | Oasis | smacnay: Will try that. |
| 04:36.21 | jetscreamer | you can do it with the cd you have |
| 04:36.27 | stew | jeward: does iwconfig show it associated with an access point? |
| 04:36.29 | thoreauputic | m0ss: did you check the md5sum of your disks? Are you sure the CDs are OK in other words? |
| 04:36.29 | seberino | stew: you mean if someone wants to make docs be international they must NOT use xml... wow... that's sad |
| 04:36.38 | m0ss | how so? |
| 04:36.42 | Guerin | seberino: xml is already internationalisation-ready |
| 04:36.42 | carli_ | Greetings from Argentina |
| 04:36.52 | jeward | stew: you want just the iwconfig output? |
| 04:36.53 | stew | seberino: no i don't mean that. |
| 04:36.59 | fran | Ouch, this is not my nick |
| 04:37.11 | jetscreamer | you're so cute, fran |
| 04:37.21 | stew | seberino: i just mean that there are not multiple "flavors" of xml |
| 04:37.21 | jeward | stew: Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462GHz Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 04:37.22 | lazo | Hi people. Please anyone can tell the steps to install Debian 3.0r2 with /usr, /var and /home on LVM?? |
| 04:37.33 | m0ss | jet how is it going to work with the cd i have? |
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| 04:37.36 | stew | jeward: thats a no |
| 04:37.49 | seberino | Guerin, stew: if xml is international already maybe i don't need to bother with i18n... perhaps we can all ignore i18n if xml does the international thing already |
| 04:37.55 | jeward | stew: Okay, I'm not sure what to do. |
| 04:38.09 | Guerin | seberino: are you trolling, or what? |
| 04:38.13 | stew | jeward: do you know what channel/essid your wireless is on? (i know nothing about ndiswraper btw) |
| 04:38.17 | fran | Is woody ready for 2.6 series of kernel? Or I have to update it with some packages from unstable? |
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| 04:38.25 | Guerin | seberino: i18n has nothing to do with xml or any other makrup language |
| 04:38.31 | jeward | stew: I believe it's on channel 11 and unencrypted. |
| 04:38.31 | Xenobius | yay |
| 04:38.33 | Guerin | fran: no, and no. |
| 04:38.35 | Xenobius | thx all |
| 04:38.44 | stew | seberino: xml doen't do anything, its just a way of structuring data |
| 04:38.45 | scarynetworkguy | !tell fran about bobbit |
| 04:38.46 | Guerin | fran: /msg dpkg bunk if you really must use 2.6 on woody |
| 04:38.50 | Xenobius | question |
| 04:38.56 | smacnay | Oasis: how are things going? |
| 04:39.00 | mne | I just managed to get my dualhead config to work. The problem is that gnome starts up at the wrong screen. The primary screen is on the secondary monitor any vice-versa. how can i swap ? |
| 04:39.04 | thoreauputic | m0ss: have you had any previous sucessful linux installs on the box you are trying to install debian on? |
| 04:39.20 | Xenobius | how does that audio group thingy work btw ? I mean does it somehow specify what libaries are allowed to be used by its members or what ? |
| 04:39.23 | scarynetworkguy | it would appear that I suck |
| 04:39.30 | fran | Guerin: Thanks! |
| 04:39.39 | smacnay | Oasis: you may want to do this as user - 'locate blackbox | grep bin' to make sure that is is installed and the path is correct. |
| 04:39.41 | seberino | Guerin, stew: ok, thanks, xml doesn't specify *how* to do international support. that is why we need i18n. ok , it is becoming clearer now i think. thanks again |
| 04:39.46 | stew | jeward: you are on channel 11, but what is the essid? |
| 04:39.54 | The_Vulture | Xenobius: no, the device nodes for your sound device are writeable by the audio group, not everyone.. |
| 04:39.58 | The_Vulture | (and readable) |
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| 04:40.04 | mne | Xenobius: Usually all users in the audio group are permittet to write to the audio device, thus listening to sound :) |
| 04:40.06 | The_Vulture | /dev/dsp et al |
| 04:40.16 | The_Vulture | what mne said |
| 04:40.21 | jeward | stew: Okay, I don't know. Can I find out from the router's web interface perhaps? |
| 04:40.29 | stew | jeward: yes |
| 04:40.35 | Guerin | Xenobius: not libraries, devices. For example, the ownership of /dev/dsp will be something like root:audio 750 - meaning that root has full perms, audio group members have 5, and others have 0 |
| 04:40.36 | m0ss | thor...no |
| 04:40.43 | m0ss | windows was on it |
| 04:40.49 | jeward | stew: One momnet. |
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| 04:40.52 | stew | jeward: though you should just be able to tell your wireless card to use "any" |
| 04:40.59 | Xenobius | ahhhhh |
| 04:41.04 | Xenobius | gaim is so cool lol |
| 04:41.08 | mwilson | stew: Gee... since when? |
| 04:41.09 | thoreauputic | m0ss: are you sure the hardware is OK? and are you sure the febian disk is not corrupt? |
| 04:41.10 | jeward | stew: I did. |
| 04:41.21 | m0ss | the disk is not corrupt |
| 04:41.22 | jeward | stew: iwconfig wlan0 essid any |
| 04:41.26 | Xenobius | now onto my next project |
| 04:41.33 | Xenobius | compiling gnome from scratch :) |
| 04:41.34 | m0ss | the memory is good |
| 04:41.39 | mne | lol |
| 04:41.42 | stew | jeward: yes |
| 04:41.48 | thoreauputic | m0ss: so as I asked before, you checked the md5sum? |
| 04:41.49 | m0ss | i dont know about the processor |
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| 04:41.50 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 04:41.50 | dpkg | list of links, or a stupid AOL gimmick. |
| 04:42.01 | Xenobius | i'm thinking.. |
| 04:42.11 | m0ss | i dont know what md5sum |
| 04:42.13 | m0ss | is |
| 04:42.15 | scarynetworkguy | somehow I doubt that |
| 04:42.45 | Xenobius | maybe i'll cross development my own dpkg free linux dist |
| 04:42.45 | mne | btw, are there any X.org debian packages (like experimental or something like that) out there ? |
| 04:42.45 | mwilson | mne: No, no need for them. |
| 04:42.45 | stew | mwilson: /msg dpkg x.org |
| 04:42.45 | stew | err mne^^ |
| 04:42.46 | Xenobius | is there anyway to track what files a process and it's child processes are writing ? |
| 04:42.50 | thoreauputic | m0ss: in that case you don't know if your install disk is OK - you need to make sure |
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| 04:43.00 | jeward | stew: It is set to MAC address of the AirStation. |
| 04:43.03 | m0ss | how? |
| 04:43.10 | stew | Xenobius: strace |
| 04:43.17 | m0ss | i just bunrt the disk... |
| 04:43.24 | stew | jeward: what is? |
| 04:43.26 | Xenobius | stew: is that a standard command in all builds of linux ? |
| 04:43.28 | m0ss | im pretty sure its ok |
| 04:43.32 | jeward | stew: AP000740389F1C I think? |
| 04:43.34 | Oasis | smacnay: None of that seems to be working. I can't even find a log file of XFree86. |
| 04:43.38 | Xenobius | stew: is that how dpkg-buildpackage works ? |
| 04:43.44 | stew | Xenobius: no |
| 04:43.44 | jeward | stew: The ESSID? |
| 04:43.46 | stew | Xenobius: no |
| 04:43.46 | thoreauputic | m0ss: did you download it? If so, go to the server and get the md5sum file |
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| 04:44.10 | m0ss | Ok |
| 04:44.16 | m0ss | Be Right Back |
| 04:44.21 | smacnay | Oasis: nothing in /var/log at all? |
| 04:44.23 | thoreauputic | m0ss: there are md5sum checkers for windows - get one |
| 04:44.25 | stew | jeward: setting your essid to the mac address would be quite uncommon |
| 04:44.28 | jeward | stew: Oh, here is the ESSID: 000740389F1C |
| 04:44.32 | mwilson | smacnay: He didn't actually look. |
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| 04:44.36 | thoreauputic | m0ss: google will find one |
| 04:44.39 | mwilson | jeward: Unlikely. |
| 04:44.47 | jeward | stew: That's what is says... |
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| 04:44.55 | stew | jeward: thanks, now if i'm ever in your neighborhood i can get on your wireless |
| 04:44.56 | smacnay | Oasis: 'ls /var/log/X*' |
| 04:44.58 | m0ss | where do i find this md5sum file? |
| 04:45.02 | jeward | stew: :-) |
| 04:45.07 | jeward | stew: It's wide open. |
| 04:45.13 | mwilson | How can someone not know what they're using on their access point? |
| 04:45.13 | stew | jeward: thanks again |
| 04:45.28 | jeward | stew: Now if =I= could just get on it... ;-) |
| 04:45.31 | Oasis | smacnay: Nothing. |
| 04:45.38 | thoreauputic | m0ss: it is normally listed on the same server you got the debian iso from |
| 04:45.53 | m0ss | nothin but iso files |
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| 04:46.13 | nvz | heh I tried the libfasttrack-gift and typed in some searches, and for the most part it searches, then after a while if I wait and watch the log, it says WARNING.. something about bad search, bitch at the kazaa developers. hehe |
| 04:46.15 | jeward | stew: Can you help me get this working? |
| 04:46.16 | smacnay | Oasis: hmm, got me then. If xserver-xfree86 was installed without a glitch, there should be some output. |
| 04:46.21 | thoreauputic | m0ss: where are you getting your iso? URL please |
| 04:46.36 | m0ss | http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/3.0_r1/i386/ |
| 04:46.53 | Oasis | smacnay: Alright, I will tinker around with it some. Thank you for your help. |
| 04:46.54 | thoreauputic | m0ss OK hang on a minute or two |
| 04:47.03 | Oasis | smacnay: Know how I can check if I have gnome installed? |
| 04:47.07 | m0ss | alrighty |
| 04:47.27 | jeward | Can anyone help me get my wireless going? |
| 04:47.30 | smacnay | mwilson: is there not a setting to change somewhere in the /etc dir for allowing non-root users access to running X? |
| 04:47.37 | MerlinCorey | !d-i |
| 04:47.37 | dpkg | i heard d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 04:47.58 | mwilson | smacnay: Yes. |
| 04:48.12 | smacnay | Oasis: apt-cache search gnome -> apt-cache show gnomexxx - where xxx will be the specific package name found in the search |
| 04:48.21 | stew | jeward: if you set the essid, key and channel right in iwconfig you will see your AP's mac addr show up in iwconfig under Access Point |
| 04:48.34 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you d/l ed the first CD, correct? |
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| 04:48.35 | smacnay | mwilson: on a first install, would that be set to root-only? |
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| 04:48.40 | jeward | stew: Right, I must be doing something wrong. |
| 04:48.43 | smacnay | mwilson: I can't remember. |
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| 04:48.52 | jeward | stew: iwconfig wlan0 essid 000740389F1C |
| 04:48.56 | mwilson | smacnay: If you told it so when you installed it. You *do* get asked. |
| 04:49.00 | m0ss | Yes first cd |
| 04:49.04 | jeward | stew: Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462GHz Access Point: 00:00:00:00:00:00 |
| 04:49.07 | thoreauputic | m0ss |
| 04:49.10 | m0ss | Yes |
| 04:49.13 | jeward | stew: Still not associated? |
| 04:49.13 | thoreauputic | m0ss: OK |
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| 04:49.20 | m0ss | good file? |
| 04:49.34 | jeward | stew: It won't care if I'm also on it wired, will it? |
| 04:49.44 | stew | jeward: keep an eye on /var/log/messages. did you set that essid? who did? if its some AP you bought at your local computer ripoff department then it would be something like "default" or "linksys" or somehting |
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| 04:49.46 | thoreauputic | m0ss: I'm looking for an md5sum file for you - wait please |
| 04:49.57 | m0ss | should i use dhcp or bootp config if im behind a router? |
| 04:49.59 | m0ss | Ok |
| 04:50.11 | jeward | stew: It's a Buffalo and the default is the MAC addy. |
| 04:50.38 | stew | jeward: by buffalo do you mean a 2000 pound mamal? |
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| 04:50.58 | jeward | stew: Buffalo is also a brand of network gear. :-) |
| 04:50.59 | smacnay | Oasis: I am not sure about your X issues. Try running xdm as root. Maybe that locate it first 'locate xdm'. |
| 04:51.00 | kingsley | It looks like my ISP has stopped providing usenet service. Does anyone here happen to know how to find a free usenet server that propagates posts? |
| 04:51.19 | jeward | stew: Oct 15 21:28:24 shinobi kernel: ndiswrapper (iw_set_encr:650): key 1 is not set |
| 04:51.28 | mwilson | kingsley: "looks like"? You don't think you should ask them? |
| 04:51.40 | jeward | stew: Oct 15 21:30:27 shinobi kernel: ndiswrapper (iw_set_encr:617): removing encryption key 0 failed (C0010015) |
| 04:51.57 | jeward | stew: Does that mean it won't work unencrypted? |
| 04:51.59 | smacnay | Oasis: I don't use xdm so I am sort of reaching here. |
| 04:52.02 | vorpal | hi folks. is there any documention about /proc? i have found a few web pages, but i was wondering if there is any semi-official source (besides kernel source code that is) |
| 04:52.12 | Oasis | smacnay: Don't have xdm. |
| 04:52.16 | m0ss | question |
| 04:52.31 | m0ss | should i use dhcp/bootp type config behind a firewall |
| 04:52.34 | m0ss | ?ż?ż |
| 04:52.43 | m0ss | i mean router |
| 04:52.46 | m0ss | router |
| 04:53.01 | mwilson | What does that have to do with it? Do you HAVE a DHCP server? |
| 04:53.09 | stew | jeward: i don't know what that means |
| 04:53.16 | jeward | stew: Me either. |
| 04:53.19 | m0ss | dhcp is a direct connection to the net |
| 04:53.24 | stew | jeward: you might wanna try iwlist wlan0 scanning and see if your ap show up |
| 04:53.27 | vorpal | the reason i ask this question is that it seems to me that there is alot of duplication of effort in alot of software to parse /proc entries |
| 04:53.31 | mwilson | m0ss: It is? Since when> |
| 04:53.35 | jeward | stew: Can you walk me through the iwconfig steps, just in case I'm missing one? |
| 04:53.40 | stew | !confuse m0ss |
| 04:53.41 | dpkg | yes, what are their gouda tomorrow, m0ss? by order of the democracy of belarus with extra cheese |
| 04:53.44 | m0ss | whatever...you dont have to be an ass |
| 04:53.52 | m0ss | you could just give a yes or no |
| 04:53.55 | m0ss | politely |
| 04:54.11 | mwilson | m0ss: A yes or no to what? So far, you've only asked a nonsense question. |
| 04:54.23 | m0ss | well debian wants to know |
| 04:54.46 | jeward | stew: wlan0 No scan results |
| 04:54.49 | m0ss | so obviously its not nonsense...its asking me if i want to use dhcp or bootp to auto config the network |
| 04:54.53 | stew | m0ss: what question? should you use dhpcp or bootp? my answer would be "probably" |
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| 04:55.02 | sussudio | CTCP VERSION reply from m0ss: mIRC v6.12 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 04:55.09 | mwilson | m0ss: Well, do you? Do you have a DHCPd running on your network? |
| 04:55.25 | m0ss | whats that? |
| 04:55.32 | stew | jeward: iwconfig eth0 channel 11 essid any |
| 04:55.35 | m0ss | sorry i dont know all the terminology |
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| 04:55.46 | thoreauputic | m0ss: actually you downloaded the older version of woody - I suggest you try the sarge installer as others have sugested |
| 04:55.51 | jeward | stew wlan0 right? |
| 04:55.51 | mwilson | Then perhaps you should learn. |
| 04:56.10 | smacnay | Oasis: try 'apt-get install xdm' as root. |
| 04:56.19 | gordonjcp | m0ss: there are a lot of good HOWTOs out there on how to set up networks |
| 04:56.22 | m0ss | whats the sarge? |
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| 04:56.25 | stew | jeward: i dunno, depends on your driver |
| 04:56.27 | Oasis | smacnay: Good idea. |
| 04:56.32 | m0ss | you mean the r2? |
| 04:56.34 | stew | time for me to walk the dog... |
| 04:56.35 | gordonjcp | m0ss: I'd suggest going and googling to find out what DHCP actually is |
| 04:56.39 | jeward | stew: Yeah, mine's wlan0. |
| 04:56.48 | jeward | stew: Still not associated. :-( |
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| 04:57.06 | thoreauputic | m0ss: there are md5sums for 3.0r1 here; http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/images/3.0_r1/i386/ |
| 04:57.21 | m0ss | Ok |
| 04:57.33 | m0ss | well what is the one you are recommending? |
| 04:57.49 | thoreauputic | m0ss: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 04:58.11 | MerlinCorey | !woody pool |
| 04:58.11 | dpkg | Place your bets on when woody will become stable! fooz=16-Nov-1955 za=30-Oct-2002 tarzeau=6-Dec-2001 longshot=14-Dec-2001 LSorensen=24-Dec-2001 vsprung=25-Dec-2001 greycat=01-Jan-2002 orth=02-Feb-2002 StevenK=29-Feb-2002 fire_hawk=hell's frozen zedboy=05-Mar-2002 caphuso=13-Mar-2002 gpgkeys=14-Mar-2002 drusscol=01-Apr-2002 gnupg=14-Apr-2002 gomez=29-Apr-2002 crrj=01-Jul-2002 randakar=14-feb-2003 asuffield=$release_date{woody}, or not now |
| 04:58.11 | smacnay | m0ss: do you have a hardware router running? Or do you connect directly from your computer? |
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| 04:58.47 | m0ss | router |
| 04:58.49 | thoreauputic | m0ss: did you do that/msg ? It will answer your questionre sarge |
| 04:58.59 | vorpal | i expect that many people probably parse output of programs like ps or top, but maybe it would be useful to document /proc in some grammatical form |
| 04:59.05 | smacnay | m0ss: does it give you your ip address on the home net? |
| 04:59.32 | GTVDispatch | can anyone here recommend a video player for debian/sarge other than totem? preferably one that uses as little RAM as possible? |
| 04:59.35 | nvz | what else could I use to view an animated gif besides a web browser? anything lightweight like eeyes or something that will play them in a continuous loop? |
| 04:59.40 | m0ss | Yes |
| 04:59.47 | m0ss | it gives one of those 192.168 deals |
| 04:59.49 | LU7DFV | GTVDispatch: mplayer |
| 04:59.53 | GTVDispatch | thx |
| 05:00.18 | gordonjcp | m0ss: sounds like you want DHCP then |
| 05:00.26 | gordonjcp | as well as a good book about networking |
| 05:00.42 | GTVDispatch | what is the package name LU7? |
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| 05:01.24 | m0ss | Ok |
| 05:01.37 | GTVDispatch | LU7DFV: what is the apt-get install command for it? |
| 05:02.06 | vorpal | apt-get install LU7DFV? |
| 05:02.14 | LU7DFV | GTVDispatch: It´s not in debian packages, you must download the source and then compile |
| 05:02.14 | deadcat | nvz: gqview feh? |
| 05:02.32 | thoreauputic | !tell GTVDispatch about marillat |
| 05:02.35 | LU7DFV | GTVDispatch: But the source comes with 'debian' directory, so you can generate your own deb |
| 05:02.37 | vorpal | check packages.debian.org |
| 05:02.41 | nvz | deadcat: hmm. I use gqview alot, I didnt know it would animate them |
| 05:03.03 | vorpal | ok, so no ideas about /proc documentation? |
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| 05:03.19 | michael12345 | what does this mean |
| 05:03.19 | deadcat | nvz: iused it alot as well. and didnt notice it could but gqview and feh are the 2 top image viewer.. so... |
| 05:03.22 | michael12345 | sorry do |
| 05:03.23 | michael12345 | exten => 2,1,GotoIfTime(8:00-22:00|mon-fri|*|*?10) |
| 05:03.23 | michael12345 | exten => 2,2,Playback(tsn/sales/closed) |
| 05:03.23 | michael12345 | exten => 2,3,Dial(Zap/g2/201) |
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| 05:03.38 | michael12345 | exten => 2,1,GotoIfTime(8:00-22:00|mon-fri|*|*?10) |
| 05:03.38 | michael12345 | exten => 2,2,Playback(tsn/sales/closed) |
| 05:03.38 | michael12345 | exten => 2,3,Dial(Zap/g2/201) |
| 05:03.42 | sussudio | michael12345: it means you're an arsehole |
| 05:03.48 | deadcat | !moron michael12345 |
| 05:03.48 | dpkg | michael12345: You are moron #33 |
| 05:03.50 | michael12345 | What does GotoIfTime do |
| 05:03.52 | mwilson | vorpal: I hear there's this amazing thing called "Google". Must be a real secret... no one ever seems to use it. |
| 05:04.05 | vorpal | i was considering a lib to parse various information from /proc |
| 05:04.06 | nvz | deadcat: haha, I thought feh was just like an expression of some kind, I didnt know it was a program ;) |
| 05:04.22 | deadcat | nvz: HAHAHAH (=. its a good prog |
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| 05:04.40 | vorpal | perhaps xml-encoded |
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| 05:04.49 | Oasis | I installed both xserver, xdm, and gnome but I still can't run xstart. |
| 05:05.06 | Oasis | Am I doing something wrong? |
| 05:05.14 | nvz | deadcat: yeah I like gqview, when I dont have this ignorant ass nauitlus going and drawing the desktop, gqview even sets root window from my picture collections |
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| 05:05.17 | LU7DFV | Oasis: Try startx |
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| 05:05.24 | pixelmonkey | I'm getting errors from fontconfig (warning: line 248: invalid edit binding "same") whenever I start X apps... does anyone know what config file it's referring to? |
| 05:05.24 | vipersniper | im trying to install the 2.6 kernel |
| 05:05.25 | thoreauputic | Oasis: that would be startx I believe (typo i hope) |
| 05:05.29 | vipersniper | apt-cache search kernel-source | grep 2.6 |
| 05:05.34 | vipersniper | not working |
| 05:05.35 | deadcat | nvz: feh and gqview doesnt work either. )= |
| 05:05.36 | deb-nube | is it possible to use debian for upgrading the kernel |
| 05:05.46 | deb-nube | errm I mean apt-get |
| 05:05.46 | thoreauputic | deb-nube: yes |
| 05:05.51 | deb-nube | wow |
| 05:06.01 | deb-nube | how? |
| 05:06.07 | deb-nube | apt-get install kernel ? |
| 05:06.07 | mwilson | vorpal: Oh, goodie... the world really needs more unpareseable XML. Take simple data structures and make them impenetrable, by all means. |
| 05:06.10 | thoreauputic | deb-nube: apt-cache search kernel-image | less |
| 05:06.17 | deb-nube | hmm |
| 05:06.31 | gordonjcp | vorpal: why xml? |
| 05:06.33 | thoreauputic | deb-nube: choose one and apt-get it |
| 05:06.35 | vorpal | mwilson: you missed my earlier posts. i am not so lazy as to search google. i am considering writing a lib or documentation for parsing info from /proc |
| 05:06.37 | pixelmonkey | oh I found it never mind (/etc/fonts/fonts.conf) |
| 05:07.12 | mwilson | vorpal: And then you complain about there supposedly being no information about /proc, thus you ARE too lazy to search Google. |
| 05:07.43 | nvz | deadcat: oh well. that gqview can get you into trouble if you have big picture collections or use thumbnails in any way.. can accumulate alot of space in ~/.gqview I only got like 2 images atm that I just made for my bg, but I usually have alot of stuff I find on google image search. |
| 05:07.51 | thoreauputic | deb-nube: got that? Or just apt-get install kernel-image and it will tell you |
| 05:07.58 | GTVDispatch | Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main Packages ( /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_ Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 05:08.13 | vorpal | mwilson: clearly you misunderstand my intentions. i am thinking of an idea for a project, not simply trying to understand the layout of /proc |
| 05:08.14 | GTVDispatch | could someone explain how to remedy that error message? |
| 05:08.32 | vorpal | mwilson: and i didn't complain ;-) |
| 05:08.56 | m0ss | thanks guys we will see how sarge works in a bit |
| 05:09.02 | mwilson | Except that you did, of course. And no, I didn't misunderstand. |
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| 05:09.30 | mwilson | But I'm not going to continue, either. |
| 05:09.38 | vorpal | mwilson: please explain how my previous statements constituted a complaint ;-) |
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| 05:10.16 | jeward_ | stew: Wow, crashed both my system AND my router. |
| 05:10.37 | deadcat | is it a deal if i trade my pc133 512mb ram for an orig airport wireless card? |
| 05:10.54 | thoreauputic | vorpal: you misunderstood that mwilson is *always* right ;-) |
| 05:11.03 | sussudio | deadcat: only if you're the one getting the ram |
| 05:11.10 | mwilson | deadcat: I'll give you such a stick for your card. |
| 05:11.17 | deadcat | sussudio: no. i have the ram. |
| 05:11.28 | mwilson | thoreauputic: I am? Odd, I've never claimed so. I make mistakes all the time. |
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| 05:11.43 | thoreauputic | mwilson: :-) |
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| 05:11.58 | deadcat | mwilson: the 133 ram doesnt fit my ibook. which is pc100 |
| 05:12.06 | K9-Cop | I use the GDM to login to KDE, do I need the xdm or kdm daemon/services? |
| 05:12.10 | Guerin | deadcat: then it's no use to you, so... |
| 05:12.12 | sussudio | deadcat: so? it'll just revert to pc100 |
| 05:12.31 | deadcat | sussudio: the slot doesnt fit. |
| 05:12.38 | guestish | heh, well someone talked to me |
| 05:12.40 | mwilson | sussudio: Is the iBook as sensitive to the timing encoded on the RAM as the PB is? |
| 05:12.46 | guestish | guess i missed it |
| 05:12.50 | sussudio | deadcat: then your ibook either doesn't use pc100 or that isn't pc133 |
| 05:12.51 | vorpal | i am proposing an api for parsing /proc. i was just wondering if there was such a thing already. or if it is feasible/worthwhile |
| 05:12.52 | mwilson | deadcat: So you mean you have a PC133 DIMM, not a SO-DIMM. |
| 05:13.04 | sussudio | mwilson: he said "DOESNT FIT" |
| 05:13.29 | vipersniper | i type "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7.1" and i get "could not find package kernel imag" |
| 05:13.41 | guestish | vipersniper: well you gotta spell image right |
| 05:13.43 | deadcat | mwilson: whats DIMM and SO-DIMM? the card says SDRAM |
| 05:13.46 | mwilson | sussudio: Then your statement makes no sense, as a PC100 SO-DIMM and a PC133 SO-DIMM would have the same form-factor. |
| 05:13.49 | sussudio | deadcat: i have a 32MB SO-DIMM here somewhere. |
| 05:13.54 | vipersniper | its right when i type it |
| 05:14.31 | mwilson | sussudio: If it doesn't fit in the iBook, it's either a DDR SO-DIMM, or it's not a SO-DIMM. |
| 05:14.37 | vipersniper | still get that error |
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| 05:14.51 | mwilson | sussudio: Whether it *works* is another issue, but it must fit. |
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| 05:15.00 | thoreauputic | vipersniper: that eould be because the package name has other bits after what you typed |
| 05:15.11 | vipersniper | like what |
| 05:15.15 | mwilson | deadcat: How long is this component? |
| 05:15.18 | thoreauputic | *would |
| 05:15.19 | sussudio | everything i said was valid |
| 05:15.22 | deadcat | mwilson: 1.5" |
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| 05:15.39 | vorpal | ok, ill try this question on debian-devel, thanks folks |
| 05:15.43 | thoreauputic | vipersniper: your processor type etc - apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 05:16.25 | thoreauputic | vipersniper: for instance: kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 |
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| 05:17.21 | mwilson | Actually, I'm probably going to take the airport card out of my iBook and put it in my QS. |
| 05:17.40 | thoreauputic | vipersniper: also notice the last . is actually a - |
| 05:17.40 | mwilson | If I can figure out what I did with the video card for the QS. |
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| 05:17.58 | lazo | Hi!. Anyone can help me installing Debian 3.0r2 with LVM?? |
| 05:18.01 | Nyle | how is it possible to run console in tty1 and run X in tty2, then switch over to 1 and be in console mode, and then switch to tty2 and be in X without having it close |
| 05:18.07 | vipersniper | thoreauputic, thanks, got it |
| 05:18.08 | deadcat | mwilson: it looks like this: deadcat.thegunn.com/ram/ |
| 05:18.15 | Nyle | can it be set up like that? |
| 05:18.23 | thoreauputic | vipersniper: no worries :) |
| 05:18.39 | deb-nube | is apt-get like bsd ports? |
| 05:18.48 | deb-nube | is the port source stored on my system? |
| 05:18.57 | deb-nube | when I do apt-get update? |
| 05:19.07 | deadcat | mwilson: ignore the box. (= |
| 05:19.22 | mwilson | It didn't come in that box? |
| 05:19.54 | K9-Cop | If I use gdm to login to KDE, then presumably I don't need to have xdm or kdm running as a daemon? |
| 05:19.57 | thoreauputic | Nyle: X normally runs on tty7 or tty8 and so on - so to get to your X session, alt-F7 or alt-F8 |
| 05:20.07 | deadcat | mwilson: no. that box came with the 128 i got from another person. this 512 is a trade with a dude this evening. |
| 05:20.55 | mwilson | That box matches what this chip supposedly is. |
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| 05:21.30 | deadcat | mwilson: really? heheh. i traded the 512 for garage badn jam pack. |
| 05:22.28 | thoreauputic | Nyle: is that what you meant or do you need more info ? |
| 05:22.42 | Nyle | i got it, thanks |
| 05:22.49 | thoreauputic | OK |
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| 05:23.38 | Nyle | also im trying to use apt-spy and when I do apt-spy -d testing it starts testing like no us servers, I only want to test unitedstates servers, so i tried apt-spy -a North-America and that doesn't do anything, i read the man page twice and I cannot figure out how to do it |
| 05:25.01 | lazo | LVM on Debian *installation* Help! :-) |
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| 05:25.43 | Nyle | does anyone use or has used apt-spy |
| 05:26.10 | vipersniper | thoreauputic, whats the command to get the kernel-source for 2.6 |
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| 05:27.05 | Penix | vipersniper: apt-get source kernel-source-blah |
| 05:27.14 | Penix | vipersniper: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 05:27.24 | pixelmonkey | has anyone here ever used the proprietary cisco vpn client for Linux? |
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| 05:28.19 | FirstLite | deb-nube: apt-get is used to install, upgrade, and remove binary packages usually, although it can be used to retrieve package source code too (apt-get source packagename) |
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| 05:28.48 | deb-nube | how do you do a compile of a source to a package ? |
| 05:28.54 | deb-nube | do you use another tool? |
| 05:29.20 | jeward | stew: Wow, I crashed not only my laptop, but also my router! |
| 05:29.31 | hacim | since I updated openoffice my printer doesn't work... it works via lpr on the command line |
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| 05:29.59 | mwilson | hacim: Then your printer works. |
| 05:29.59 | jeward | stew: the good news is, I am now scanning and managed! |
| 05:30.14 | hacim | mwilson: not from openoffice |
| 05:30.25 | Nyle | ho do I benchmark only the us debian testing mirrors using apt-spy, i read the man page twice and i cannot figure it out. I try apt-spy -a North-America as is documetned in the man page and it doesn't do anything, what switches do I need to run with apt spy |
| 05:30.34 | FirstLite | deb-nube: you can use apt-get source packagename to retrieve the source into the current directory, then run the makefile in the source directory called debian/rules |
| 05:30.39 | mwilson | hacim: So what you mean is that openoffice can't print, not that the printer doesn't work. |
| 05:30.46 | deb-nube | ok |
| 05:30.54 | hacim | mwilson: yeah, I meant to say that the printer doesn't work from openoffice |
| 05:31.04 | deb-nube | I thought maybe apt-get build or apt-build |
| 05:31.06 | deb-nube | existed |
| 05:31.06 | Nyle | hacim my printer doesn't work freom firefox |
| 05:31.07 | vipersniper | where is the source.list file located |
| 05:31.09 | mwilson | No, you meant to say that openoffice can't print. |
| 05:31.22 | Nyle | vipersniper /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:31.28 | jeward | Okay, here's the command that doesn't work: iwconfig wlan0 up |
| 05:31.37 | mwilson | "doesn't work" is a nonsense statement. |
| 05:31.43 | streuner | hacim: at their site is a doc which decribes how to set the printer up, IIRC. |
| 05:31.50 | Penix | deb-nube: apt-get -b source packagename, or just man apt-get |
| 05:31.57 | hacim | mwilson: openoffice cannot print using my printer that works normally |
| 05:32.10 | jeward | mwilson: I get: Error: unrecognnized wireless request "up" |
| 05:32.15 | deadcat | jeward: dont think thats how you use iwconfig |
| 05:32.18 | mwilson | hacim: And do we get to know how it malfunctions? |
| 05:32.26 | streuner | hacim: you repeat the same statement, thats what we already know |
| 05:32.29 | jeward | deadcat: I'm going from a web page. |
| 05:32.37 | vipersniper | i need to put some souce URI's in the source list |
| 05:32.41 | FirstLite | deb-nube: yeah, that's a better way |
| 05:32.41 | jeward | deadcat: What's the proper syntax? |
| 05:32.56 | deadcat | jeward: iwconfig wlan0 essid <id> |
| 05:32.57 | vipersniper | which ones are best to use |
| 05:32.57 | mwilson | jeward: Why are you telling ME? I'm not involved. |
| 05:33.11 | hacim | mwilson: it malfunctions by not functioning at all... it doesn't appear to queue anything to lp |
| 05:33.15 | jeward | deadcat: http://shinzui.org/space/Dell+Inspiron+9100+on+Linux |
| 05:33.21 | vipersniper | anyone |
| 05:33.28 | hacim | streuner: I repeated it because it wasn't syntactically acceptable to mwilson |
| 05:33.36 | jeward | deadcat: I'm managed by the router. |
| 05:33.53 | thoreauputic | vipersniper: just use your favourite editor and save the changes |
| 05:34.02 | streuner | hacim: have you read the message, read the doc at OO? |
| 05:34.15 | deadcat | jeward: just ignore the last command. the person might be refering to ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 05:34.15 | mwilson | hacim: No, you keep saying "the printer doesn't work", which is demonstatably incorrect. |
| 05:34.27 | thoreauputic | vipersniper: run apt-setup to get the sources, if that's what you mean |
| 05:34.28 | jeward | deadcat: I'll try that? |
| 05:34.45 | hacim | mwilson: the last thing I said was that openoffice cannot print using my printer |
| 05:34.54 | deadcat | jeward: hes a moron. iwconfig wlan0 essid <id> mode Managed key restricted <key> works, dont have to run 3 commands |
| 05:35.05 | jeward | deadcat: Okay... now if I just get and IP address from DHCP... |
| 05:35.06 | deadcat | jeward: well. i am not gonna try it. (= |
| 05:35.18 | hacim | streuner: yeah, I've read the help within OO that shows you how to use ooadmin to setup printers, that doesn't print a test page either |
| 05:35.22 | FirstLite | deb-nube: to answer your other question, apt-get update synchronizes your local list (of all available packages) with the lists in the Debian repositories you're using |
| 05:35.24 | deadcat | jeward: after that you run dhclient wlan0 and pray. since its NDIS |
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| 05:35.56 | hacim | streuner: err, oopadmin |
| 05:35.58 | jeward | deadcat: I don't have dhclient? |
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| 05:36.07 | deadcat | jeward: "I chose to use Fedora core 2. The install is very straightforward." <-- theres your answer. (= |
| 05:36.23 | jeward | deadcat: :-) |
| 05:36.26 | FirstLite | deb-nube: you need to run apt-get upgrade in order to actually install the newer version of any package |
| 05:36.27 | deadcat | jeward: how the hell do i know. your question/comments makes no sense. |
| 05:36.36 | jeward | deadcat: I tried Fedora 3... hung. |
| 05:36.39 | deadcat | jeward: are you on debian or fedora cock like him? |
| 05:36.48 | jeward | deadcat: Debian. |
| 05:37.21 | deadcat | jeward: then you can dhclient wlan0 after all those iwconfig command . have you checked ndiswrapper.sf.net ? much better howto than that moron |
| 05:37.28 | thoreauputic | FirstLite: that's not quite right - upgrade isn't necessary to install a newer package |
| 05:37.39 | jeward | deadcat: I must have something different than dhclient? |
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| 05:38.04 | jeward | deadcat: What alternatives are there to dhclient? |
| 05:38.12 | maher | jeward: try apropos dhcp |
| 05:38.35 | jeward | maher: I don't have apropos either. |
| 05:38.46 | jeward | I'm on feather Linux. |
| 05:38.48 | deadcat | jeward: stop asking questions that are actions. |
| 05:39.06 | deadcat | jeward: dammit you just said "debian"... |
| 05:39.07 | thoreauputic | jeward: feather != debian |
| 05:39.09 | jeward | deadcat: What do I do if I don't have dhclient? |
| 05:39.17 | deadcat | jeward: you might have pump |
| 05:39.22 | jeward | deadcat: I do apt-get? |
| 05:39.27 | streuner | feather? |
| 05:39.28 | jeward | deadcat I have pump! |
| 05:39.29 | deadcat | jeward: ya apt-get it then |
| 05:39.45 | streuner | what the hell is 'feather' |
| 05:39.47 | streuner | ? |
| 05:39.50 | FirstLite | thoreauputic: really? I always had to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in order to get security updates. How else can you do it? |
| 05:39.57 | deadcat | !feather |
| 05:40.07 | streuner | no factoid yet |
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| 05:40.15 | Nyle | i finally figured it out, edit the apt-spy.conf and # everything non us and then run with -d testing |
| 05:40.16 | deadcat | streuner: its a very slim distro based on damn small linux |
| 05:40.24 | Nyle | i feel so proud |
| 05:40.25 | streuner | doh |
| 05:40.27 | jeward | deadcat: How do I use pump? |
| 05:40.34 | deadcat | jeward: pump |
| 05:40.38 | thoreauputic | FirstLite: yeah - that's to upgrade *everything* though - to get a newer package it isn't needed is it/ |
| 05:40.44 | maher | deadcat: its a knoppix derivative |
| 05:40.55 | Nyle | its actually a knoppix 'remaster' |
| 05:41.09 | jeward | deadcat: operation failed. |
| 05:41.18 | deadcat | Nyle: i read that the guy used DSL and added some stuff to it. |
| 05:41.25 | Nyle | i used to do that too |
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| 05:41.30 | Nyle | i like dsl |
| 05:41.34 | deadcat | jeward: root maybe? |
| 05:41.35 | streuner | jeward: install debian then |
| 05:41.44 | deadcat | Nyle: ya. dsl on my wallet. heheh |
| 05:41.49 | deadcat | in |
| 05:41.56 | jeward | E verybody says install debian, but the debian install doesn't work on my system. |
| 05:42.05 | maher | jeward: what doesn't work |
| 05:42.10 | Nyle | jeward it works on anysystem capable of booting from a harddisk |
| 05:42.10 | deb-nube | debian is hard |
| 05:42.14 | jeward | maher: base install. |
| 05:42.30 | maher | jeward: what error / how are you attempting to install |
| 05:42.32 | novapunkx | I am trying to get sound to work in Gnome. It works in KDE fine but in Gnome if I try to open Voulme Control it says Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found. |
| 05:42.34 | jeward | maher It can't install []Desktop |
| 05:42.49 | jeward | maher: It wasn't specific. |
| 05:42.50 | deadcat | jeward: use the d-i |
| 05:42.55 | maher | jeward: if you got that far you already had base |
| 05:43.05 | jeward | maher: Well, okay. |
| 05:43.10 | jeward | maher: Very base. :-) |
| 05:43.15 | foxcokk | i need some help with cups. basically, i have a printer on the network with its own bultin print server. it has an ethernet port on it, a web interface, all the fancy crap. its an HP officejet 7310. i found the driver for it at linuxprinting.org and used tis command to install it:lpadmin -p OfficeJet7310 -v http://192.168.1.240/ -P /root/HP-OfficeJet_7300-hpijs.ppd. it adds iut to cups then i can go into the cups config and start |
| 05:43.15 | foxcokk | a test page. once i clikc print test page, it tells me that the printer is busy and it is going to rety again in 10 seconds. any idea? |
| 05:43.26 | maher | jeward: do you still have the old install on the disk? |
| 05:43.27 | deb-nube | can one apt-get install a kernel and have 2 images running? |
| 05:43.29 | FirstLite | thoreauputic: ok, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I think 'upgrade' is specifically intended to do everything at once. I'm not sure how to upgrade a single package -- maybe 'install' will do that? |
| 05:43.35 | deb-nube | err to choose from |
| 05:43.35 | maher | deb-nube: no |
| 05:43.38 | jeward | maher: No, I deleted it. |
| 05:43.40 | maher | deb-nube: yes |
| 05:44.04 | deb-nube | like it just adds another image to grub or something |
| 05:44.06 | deb-nube | I hope |
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| 05:44.22 | jeward | So feather is too far out? |
| 05:44.24 | maher | jeward: can you run debootstrap on feather? |
| 05:44.39 | thoreauputic | FirstLite: yup - apt-get install will get the newest package automatically (for your particular set of package sources0 |
| 05:44.43 | jeward | maher: What is debootstrap? |
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| 05:45.08 | maher | jeward: do you want to install debian on you rcomputer |
| 05:45.14 | jeward | maher: I am new to debian. I left redhat. |
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| 05:45.25 | maher | jeward: what was worng with redhat |
| 05:45.35 | jeward | maher: They started charging. |
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| 05:45.54 | jeward | maher: I would just like my wireless to work on feather and I would be a happy man. |
| 05:45.55 | maher | jeward: you can still dl for free or use fedora |
| 05:46.05 | jeward | maher: I did, the install hung. |
| 05:46.20 | maher | jeward: fedora install? |
| 05:46.26 | jeward | maher: Yes, core 3. |
| 05:46.28 | foxcokk | can anyone answer my question? |
| 05:46.34 | maher | jeward: ddi youtry fc2 |
| 05:46.38 | jeward | maher: No. |
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| 05:46.51 | jeward | maher: Fedora is bloated. |
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| 05:47.04 | maher | foxcokk: cups in stable? |
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| 05:47.10 | foxcokk | testing |
| 05:47.15 | cahoot | foxcokk: I'd check the error log |
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| 05:47.17 | m0ss | Ok guys im back |
| 05:47.26 | maher | foxcokk: tirn on debug and stare at the logs |
| 05:47.26 | FirstLite | deb-nube: you can have multiple kernel packages installed. I use lilo, not grub, but I've usually had to tweak my lilo.conf manually in order to be able to choose from among them on startup. |
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| 05:47.30 | m0ss | question |
| 05:47.45 | eijgf | As what user to the system startup scripts in /etc/init.d/ run as? |
| 05:47.53 | m0ss | i got sarge to install...but it had problems installing desktop components |
| 05:47.56 | maher | jeward: don't ask about feather here - if youwant to install debian install it and ask when/if you get stuck |
| 05:48.08 | mwilson | eijgf: Why could it possibly matter? |
| 05:48.13 | jeward | maher: Aok, I thought it was debian. |
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| 05:48.42 | maher | m0ss: what error |
| 05:48.46 | eijgf | mwilson because i have a startup script that writes to a file and it is owned as root and the file is not getting written to on boot |
| 05:48.49 | m0ss | umm |
| 05:48.55 | foxcokk | i have my error_log here and it doesnt really give me any errors |
| 05:48.59 | m0ss | i forget |
| 05:49.00 | spirax | where on the debian site has it announced that sarge is now frozen? |
| 05:49.01 | eijgf | mwilson but if i execute my script as the user root once logged in it writes to the file correctly |
| 05:49.06 | maher | foxcokk: did you turn on debug |
| 05:49.09 | m0ss | well it didnt show the error long enough |
| 05:49.16 | m0ss | i was using sarge and it goes so quick |
| 05:49.21 | maher | m0ss: i forget how to fix your problem... :) |
| 05:49.23 | foxcokk | how do i turn on debug? |
| 05:49.26 | thoreauputic | m0ss: hard to help if we don't know what the error was |
| 05:49.32 | maher | foxcokk: edit the config |
| 05:49.43 | eijgf | mwilson so i was wondering if maybe the startup scripts run as nouser or something to that effect |
| 05:50.05 | m0ss | thor- it didnt install anything i dont think |
| 05:50.15 | m0ss | the error screen doest display long |
| 05:50.20 | maher | m0ss: are you on the testing install atm |
| 05:50.25 | m0ss | Yes |
| 05:50.28 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you have a working base install ? it boots? |
| 05:50.33 | m0ss | Yep |
| 05:50.35 | m0ss | finally |
| 05:50.40 | m0ss | but no desktop |
| 05:50.43 | mwilson | People always have to try to break init. |
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| 05:50.55 | maher | eijgf: add a bunch of echo or use the option that gets the script to echo everything and see what it does |
| 05:51.03 | m0ss | it connected to the remote server and dled all the stuff |
| 05:51.11 | maher | m0ss: what do you type |
| 05:51.13 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you have apt set up? and a working internet connection/ |
| 05:51.15 | eijgf | maher ok cool |
| 05:51.20 | m0ss | Yes |
| 05:51.29 | m0ss | working |
| 05:51.30 | m0ss | all |
| 05:51.52 | thoreauputic | m0ss: what's you preferred desktop? |
| 05:52.06 | m0ss | windowmaker but i think ill start with gnome |
| 05:52.14 | maher | m0ss: so what do you type and what happens |
| 05:52.26 | m0ss | nothing |
| 05:52.34 | m0ss | i want to set up the desktop |
| 05:52.35 | maher | m0ss: WHAT DO YOU TYPE |
| 05:52.39 | bullet | hey guys, i downloaded the nvidia kernel source, and the 2.6.8-1-k7 kernel image... so does debian provide tools for me to automatically compile it for the 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:52.41 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:52.43 | m0ss | but i dont know how |
| 05:52.46 | maher | m0ss: how are you trying to do that? |
| 05:53.02 | m0ss | through sarge....but im already out of that now |
| 05:53.11 | m0ss | im not doing anything now...just asking |
| 05:53.20 | maher | m0ss: type apt-get update and see what happens |
| 05:53.21 | deadcat | !tell bullet about nvidia |
| 05:53.38 | maher | m0ss: are in sarge or not in sarge? |
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| 05:53.53 | m0ss | not |
| 05:53.58 | m0ss | ive completed install |
| 05:54.03 | m0ss | it gave me an error |
| 05:54.06 | m0ss | hold on |
| 05:54.13 | deadcat | !tell m0ss about enter |
| 05:54.16 | maher | m0ss: you are using a computer - what os is it currently running |
| 05:54.28 | maher | m0ss: its ok to say you don't know |
| 05:54.31 | foxcokk | hey ok, the log says it connects, then it trys to get supporting attributes, then it craps out and waits 10 seconds |
| 05:54.39 | m0ss | unable to lock the list directory |
| 05:54.51 | m0ss | im using windows xp now |
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| 05:55.06 | maher | m0ss: why don't you reboot into sarge and relogin here |
| 05:55.08 | thoreauputic | m0ss: are you root? when you get that error? |
| 05:55.17 | m0ss | not root |
| 05:55.22 | m0ss | user |
| 05:55.26 | m0ss | i should go to root |
| 05:55.34 | bullet | deadcat: i'm familiar with how to do it by downloading the installer directly from nvidia's website.. or using their debs.. i downloaded the source via the apt-get tree. i was just curious if debian provided tools to make this more easy |
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| 05:55.36 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you need to be root to install stuff |
| 05:56.03 | mwilson | When did nVidia start providing debs? |
| 05:56.05 | deadcat | bullet: ya. download the source and read the docs. |
| 05:56.08 | thoreauputic | m0ss: is this your first attempt at running linux? |
| 05:56.27 | m0ss | Yes |
| 05:56.30 | m0ss | Ok im root now |
| 05:56.33 | Zyberdog | i've enabled 3-button mouse and scrollwheel in the xserver configuration... but my scroll whell shill doesn¨'t work? |
| 05:56.34 | m0ss | ive used unix b4 |
| 05:56.38 | foxcokk | maher, you there? |
| 05:56.40 | m0ss | i got the apt udate |
| 05:56.46 | bullet | deadcat: where can i found the howto that the bot is telling me :) |
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| 05:56.58 | maher | foxcokk: yeah - dunno offhand |
| 05:56.58 | m0ss | apt-get update |
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| 05:57.19 | deadcat | bullet: http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 05:57.47 | thoreauputic | m0ss: do you know if X is installed? type whereis X and give me the output , if any |
| 05:57.54 | m0ss | Ok |
| 05:57.56 | m0ss | Be Right Back |
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| 05:58.04 | maher | foxcokk: which printer again |
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| 05:58.24 | m0ss | it gave me a x: |
| 05:58.27 | m0ss | but its not a promp |
| 05:58.28 | m0ss | t |
| 05:58.47 | thoreauputic | m0ss Ok you don't have X then. |
| 05:58.50 | m0ss | Nope |
| 05:59.06 | m0ss | so how do i fix this? |
| 05:59.15 | maher | m0ss: are you in sarge atm? |
| 05:59.23 | m0ss | not while talking |
| 05:59.30 | m0ss | but on my linux box i am |
| 05:59.33 | maher | m0ss: do you have net connectivity in sarge |
| 05:59.33 | deadcat | m0ss: then you cant fix |
| 05:59.39 | m0ss | Yes |
| 05:59.54 | m0ss | im talking on windows...fixing on sarge |
| 06:00.01 | m0ss | it has internet |
| 06:00.04 | maher | m0ss: ok - boot to sarge - logon here using a text irc client |
| 06:00.06 | thoreauputic | m0ss: apt-get install x-window-system then apt-get install gnome |
| 06:00.45 | thoreauputic | m0ss: actually maher has the better idea |
| 06:00.55 | bullet | deadcat: thank you rebooting |
| 06:01.05 | thoreauputic | m0ss: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 06:01.08 | m0ss | im doing the apt-get |
| 06:01.16 | deadcat | Bulldog: why do you need to reboot? |
| 06:01.22 | Zyberdog | i've enabled 3-button mouse and scrollwheel in the xserver configuration... but my scroll whell shill doesn¨'t work? |
| 06:01.24 | m0ss | im already getting x win |
| 06:01.29 | holycow | and apt-get install gdm too? |
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| 06:03.49 | special | someone speak spanish ?? |
| 06:03.56 | maher | !spanish |
| 06:03.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 06:04.32 | tvn | anyone uses eclipse ? is it possible to define the sytax hilight for specific keyword ? |
| 06:04.53 | m0ss | what is video card bus identifier for onboard SiS video? |
| 06:05.15 | stew | m0ss: you can leave it blank |
| 06:05.19 | m0ss | Ok |
| 06:05.25 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you don't need to answer |
| 06:05.30 | sussudio | m0ss: B4DG:3R55 |
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| 06:05.32 | stew | (unless you have 2 video cards) |
| 06:06.17 | m0ss | i just didnt answer...but hanks |
| 06:06.22 | opqdonut | how can i tell tar not to delete the files it archives? |
| 06:06.44 | m0ss | what is the mouse code for a serial port mouse? |
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| 06:06.59 | thoreauputic | opqdonut: err - it doesn't delete them |
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| 06:07.08 | stew | opqdonut: there is no way to even make tar delete stuff |
| 06:07.34 | m0ss | and my question? |
| 06:07.37 | opqdonut | weird. ok. it did for me |
| 06:07.41 | m0ss | its a 2 button |
| 06:07.50 | opqdonut | m0ss: try /dev/ttyS0 |
| 06:07.55 | m0ss | Ok |
| 06:07.59 | thoreauputic | opqdonut: why on earth would an archiving app delete what it archives? |
| 06:08.05 | m0ss | its not S1? |
| 06:08.24 | stew | m0ss: ttyS0 would be roughly eqiv to "com1" and S1 to "com2" |
| 06:08.28 | opqdonut | m0ss: might be, try the first five or so ttyS# ports |
| 06:09.04 | m0ss | i guess it was ok with S0 |
| 06:09.04 | stew | m0ss: dmesg | grep ttyS might* be helpful |
| 06:09.19 | opqdonut | m0ss: an easy way would be to 'tail -f /dev/ttyS<num>' and then move mouse. if you get garbage on the screen, the port is right. |
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| 06:09.39 | thoreauputic | opqdonut: not easy for hime - he's new to all this |
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| 06:10.18 | m0ss | Laughing Out Loud |
| 06:10.44 | m0ss | ok..x window is installing |
| 06:10.48 | m0ss | you guys are awesome |
| 06:11.01 | m0ss | but stay on the line |
| 06:11.58 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you might want to start with windowmaker instead of gnome - you can always install gnome later and windowmaker will be quicker to download |
| 06:12.09 | Phated | XFCE4! |
| 06:12.20 | m0ss | whats the command? |
| 06:12.28 | deadcat | m0ss: make a guess |
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| 06:12.44 | m0ss | apt-get install windowmaker |
| 06:12.47 | m0ss | wmaker |
| 06:12.48 | thoreauputic | Phated: heh - he expressed a personal preference for windowmaker ;) |
| 06:12.57 | scarynetworkguy | XFCE4 is nice |
| 06:12.58 | Phated | thoreauputic: NO WAY. But OK, his choice. :) |
| 06:13.01 | simonrvn | m0ss: try searching instead of guessing |
| 06:13.09 | Guerin | !guess |
| 06:13.09 | dpkg | hmm... guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 06:13.14 | m0ss | Laughing Out Loud |
| 06:13.26 | m0ss | my friend used windowmaker on his desktop and laptop |
| 06:13.31 | m0ss | i liked what i saw |
| 06:13.42 | thoreauputic | m0ss: apt-cache search windowmaker :) |
| 06:13.42 | m0ss | dont like the gui of gnome so muc |
| 06:13.58 | Phated | m0ss: Then why bother with gnome at all? Stick with wmaker. |
| 06:14.38 | m0ss | what am i lookin for? |
| 06:14.46 | Phated | Windowmaker...? |
| 06:15.03 | scarynetworkguy | m0ss: a clue? |
| 06:15.14 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you did the apt-cache search? |
| 06:15.15 | m0ss | oh...clue |
| 06:15.18 | m0ss | Yes |
| 06:15.24 | m0ss | how do i go through the results |
| 06:15.28 | m0ss | i can only see the tail end |
| 06:15.33 | m0ss | and thats not enough |
| 06:15.37 | Phated | m0ss: apt-cache search whatever | less |
| 06:15.37 | simonrvn | pipe it through less |
| 06:15.42 | Phated | Or your favourite pager. |
| 06:15.46 | scarynetworkguy | less is more |
| 06:15.53 | Phated | But more is less. |
| 06:15.58 | simonrvn | and that's all |
| 06:16.00 | opqdonut | least is more |
| 06:16.04 | stew | most is almost as much as less |
| 06:16.05 | m0ss | buh |
| 06:16.08 | simonrvn | most is more |
| 06:16.12 | thoreauputic | and most is like more and less, only more |
| 06:16.13 | m0ss | enough nonsense |
| 06:16.17 | m0ss | jesus |
| 06:16.17 | Phated | But less is more! |
| 06:16.21 | m0ss | SHUT UP |
| 06:16.27 | scarynetworkguy | adn more is less!! |
| 06:16.39 | opqdonut | w3m is less but more! |
| 06:16.43 | Phated | m0ss: You don't ask us to shut up here, mate, it's a popular philosophical argument. :/ |
| 06:16.55 | thoreauputic | m0ss: hey, this is #debian - anything can happen ;) |
| 06:17.08 | Phated | m0ss: And if you don't like it, bugger off. 'nuff said. |
| 06:17.10 | Guerin | Phated is more or less right |
| 06:17.15 | scarynetworkguy | worse is better |
| 06:17.15 | deadcat | i personall pipe the outputs to vim (= |
| 06:17.22 | Phated | Guerin: More or less. |
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| 06:17.33 | scarynetworkguy | one of the two |
| 06:17.33 | m0ss | Rolling On Floor Laughing |
| 06:17.38 | opqdonut | a big enough scroll back buffer is more? |
| 06:17.49 | m0ss | apt-get experts-to-make-less-nonsense |
| 06:17.53 | Phated | FFS stop using those lame acronyms and then SPELING them out. |
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| 06:18.04 | Phated | m0ss: apt-get install, silly. |
| 06:18.15 | m0ss | sigh |
| 06:18.17 | simonrvn | Phated: they're expanded acronyms, which is worse |
| 06:18.17 | m0ss | im a nub |
| 06:18.19 | Phated | opqdonut: But more has no back scroll. |
| 06:18.23 | m0ss | Ok |
| 06:18.28 | deb-nube | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 06:18.31 | opqdonut | Phated: ah, so it is less, then |
| 06:18.31 | Phated | simonrvn: My point. Can we just ask him to not use them? |
| 06:18.31 | m0ss | im not seeing anything i can use while searching here |
| 06:18.36 | m0ss | or on the other comp |
| 06:18.37 | Phated | opqdonut: Yes, which is more. |
| 06:18.40 | deb-nube | is telling me I have to have an initrd kernel |
| 06:18.47 | opqdonut | Phated: i see a paradox :) |
| 06:18.49 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you don't need to tell us you're a newb - we can tell :) |
| 06:18.50 | deb-nube | or have my boot loader set up for that |
| 06:18.54 | scarynetworkguy | and if I use more... |
| 06:18.56 | m0ss | really? |
| 06:18.58 | Phated | opqdonut: Oh yes. |
| 06:18.59 | simonrvn | m0ss: n00b, newb, noob, nub is n, short-u, b. which is: |
| 06:19.03 | deadcat | deb-nube: ya. all apt-get kernels are initrd kernels i think |
| 06:19.04 | simonrvn | @+dict nub |
| 06:19.07 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It's less. But less is more. |
| 06:19.11 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'nub' (4 shown): the choicest or most essential or most vital part of some idea or experience; "the gist of the prosecutor's argument"; "the heart and soul of the Republican Party"; "the nub of the story" ;; a small lump or protuberance [syn: {nubble}] ;; a small piece; "a nub of coal"; "a stub of a pencil" [syn: {stub}] ;; Nub \Nub\, v. t. [Cf. Knob.] To push |
| 06:19.11 | ravenbird | ; to nudge; also, to beckon. [Prov. Eng.]. |
| 06:19.15 | Phated | nub is lite a little thing. |
| 06:19.19 | Phated | like* |
| 06:19.26 | deb-nube | deadcat, does the warning mean it won't work?! |
| 06:19.31 | stew | deb-nube: which bootloader do you use? |
| 06:19.32 | m0ss | would you mind answering my questions at least? |
| 06:19.32 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nod* |
| 06:19.36 | deb-nube | grub |
| 06:19.47 | Phated | m0ss: FFS! We TOLD YOU, apt-cache search windowmaker | less! |
| 06:19.47 | deadcat | deb-nube: cehck /boot, see if you have initrd.img-the.2.6.8 kernel |
| 06:19.52 | m0ss | the ridicule doesnt bother me much |
| 06:19.55 | opqdonut | m0ss: what was it, again? |
| 06:19.57 | scarynetworkguy | which is more |
| 06:19.58 | deb-nube | hmm |
| 06:19.59 | deb-nube | ok |
| 06:20.01 | thoreauputic | m0ss: we told you how to search using apt-cache search |
| 06:20.11 | deb-nube | so now I just add that to grub.conf? |
| 06:20.14 | m0ss | how to get or run windowmaker or whatever |
| 06:20.16 | stew | deb-nube: if you have grub, apt-get should correctly edit /boot/grub/menu.lst for you, don't worry about it |
| 06:20.18 | deb-nube | or menu.lst |
| 06:20.19 | deadcat | deb-nube: no. update-grub |
| 06:20.19 | Phated | Well he OBVIOUSLY has me on ignore, so I'm just not even going to bother. I gave him the same damned answer TWICE! |
| 06:20.22 | m0ss | but im not seeing aynthing useful |
| 06:20.24 | deb-nube | ok |
| 06:20.34 | opqdonut | m0ss: apt-get install it |
| 06:20.36 | deb-nube | thanks |
| 06:20.44 | Phated | m0ss: HELLO! apt-get install windowmaker, startx. IF you don't know the package, use apt-cache search. |
| 06:20.45 | simonrvn | m0ss: / to search, so /wmaker for example |
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| 06:20.57 | thoreauputic | m0ss: apt-get install wmaker |
| 06:21.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I think he was busy with his pencil. If you know what I mean |
| 06:21.26 | Phated | simonrvn: No, apparently he doesn't get that apt-cache search doesn't install/run wmaker. |
| 06:21.41 | m0ss | Thanks |
| 06:21.47 | deb-nube | cool! I am going to try rebooting now ... ulp :-| |
| 06:21.54 | thoreauputic | m0ss: and if you didn't see anything useful from the apt-cache search, you must be blind or really not trying |
| 06:22.00 | simonrvn | Phated: hopefully he'll grow a clue. i think he just did |
| 06:22.04 | deb-nube | I have a builtin wifi card I hope it keeps working :-P |
| 06:22.12 | Phated | simonrvn: One can only hope. |
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| 06:22.16 | deadcat | deb-nube: what chipset? |
| 06:22.19 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: I wouldn't bet on it |
| 06:22.35 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: i'm not. /me watches |
| 06:22.36 | deb-nube | prism intersil |
| 06:22.40 | deb-nube | prism 2.5 I think |
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| 06:22.45 | deadcat | deb-nube: pcmcia? |
| 06:22.46 | deb-nube | orinoco drivers |
| 06:22.49 | Phated | simonrvn: Keep me updated, eh? |
| 06:22.55 | deb-nube | no ... on the mb of the laptop |
| 06:22.58 | deb-nube | oci |
| 06:22.58 | deadcat | deb-nube: ya. then you're good to og |
| 06:23.00 | deb-nube | errm |
| 06:23.08 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: *nod* |
| 06:23.08 | deb-nube | yay! |
| 06:23.11 | simonrvn | Phated: hehe, you have him on /ig don't you ;) |
| 06:23.22 | deb-nube | shutdown -r now |
| 06:23.26 | deb-nube | :-) |
| 06:23.34 | deb-nube | bye for now |
| 06:23.38 | Phated | simonrvn: No, I don't, but I'm starting to think he has ME on /ig, because he never seems to notice that I'm trying to jump in and help. :/ |
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| 06:24.09 | csdevv | hi |
| 06:24.15 | csdevv | anybody awake here? |
| 06:24.26 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:24.32 | m0ss | maybe |
| 06:24.36 | csdevv | oh so I will go to sleep on |
| 06:24.38 | Guerin | zzzzzzz |
| 06:24.43 | Phated | (Zzzzzzzz) |
| 06:24.45 | csdevv | :-) |
| 06:24.48 | deadcat | csdevv: later |
| 06:24.54 | csdevv | need urgently some help |
| 06:24.59 | simonrvn | we're all sound alseep, these are just automatons talking for us |
| 06:25.09 | deadcat | csdevv: not gonna help you with that attitude. |
| 06:25.09 | csdevv | oh sorry |
| 06:25.10 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:25.11 | simonrvn | csdevv: just ask the question |
| 06:25.14 | m0ss | whats the apt-get for gimp? is it just gimp or are there numbers on the end or what? |
| 06:25.16 | csdevv | think I have to apologize |
| 06:25.23 | Phated | csdevv: Again, no one is awake. My mistress is asleep. I am an intelligent monkey typing on her behalf. Shh. |
| 06:25.31 | simonrvn | m0ss: apt-cache search | gimp |
| 06:25.39 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: and if we are this clever in our sleep just imagine what we could do if we woke up |
| 06:25.42 | Guerin | !peanut Phated |
| 06:25.43 | deadcat | m0ss: use your head and think before asking the question. do the same thing you did with wmaker |
| 06:25.45 | simonrvn | m0ss: you can scroll up and down with pgup pgdown |
| 06:25.48 | Phated | Guerin: HAH! |
| 06:25.52 | csdevv | I believe I just killed my hdd |
| 06:25.53 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: godam! |
| 06:26.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: DAMN... |
| 06:26.03 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: it would be amazing |
| 06:26.11 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: hehe |
| 06:26.22 | Phated | simonrvn: Dude, apt-cache search | gimp? WTH? :) |
| 06:26.28 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: heh |
| 06:26.35 | scarynetworkguy | odd that |
| 06:26.45 | aida-night | m0ss: apt-get install gimp2 |
| 06:27.12 | m0ss | thanks |
| 06:27.17 | m0ss | im trying to scroll up |
| 06:27.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It's OK, you're asleep and dreaming. |
| 06:27.25 | m0ss | pg up button? |
| 06:27.31 | aida-night | yes |
| 06:27.32 | m0ss | because its just giving me beeps |
| 06:27.40 | m0ss | and a tilde |
| 06:27.42 | Phated | m0ss: What command are you typing? |
| 06:27.44 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: nice. |
| 06:27.44 | aida-night | hold alt |
| 06:27.48 | Phated | Oh FFS. |
| 06:27.56 | m0ss | thanks aida |
| 06:27.58 | aida-night | and page-up while holding alt |
| 06:27.59 | aida-night | np |
| 06:28.33 | thoreauputic | m0ss: do you get the feeling you jumped into a lion's den ? ;) |
| 06:28.34 | csdevv | does anybody know how to recover my partition table and could help me please? |
| 06:28.43 | m0ss | it was shift |
| 06:28.47 | Phated | thoreauputic: I'm going to bite his head off in a while, yes. |
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| 06:29.00 | m0ss | not alt |
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| 06:29.13 | aida-night | csdevv: aks the Gods for mercy... for you are d00med my child |
| 06:29.17 | thoreauputic | Phated: ah, sorry - it's the lioness he should be worried about then :) |
| 06:29.18 | aida-night | ask* |
| 06:29.22 | Phated | thoreauputic: :) |
| 06:29.35 | Phated | m0ss: You could always try actually piping it to a pager! |
| 06:29.49 | scarynetworkguy | thoreauputic: well duh |
| 06:29.49 | aida-night | m0ss: sometimes it's alt... sometimes it's shift |
| 06:30.03 | csdevv | undOOm me please guys. |
| 06:30.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: you think that might work. I mean only half the channel told him to do it |
| 06:30.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I don't know, it seems to make sense, DOESN'T it? |
| 06:30.26 | aida-night | csdevv: First commandment: Backup thine files |
| 06:30.40 | csdevv | oh thank you |
| 06:30.48 | aida-night | ;) |
| 06:30.52 | csdevv | but if one didn't do.? |
| 06:30.57 | Phated | csdevv: What? You DIDN'T? |
| 06:30.59 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: that it does. Almost as if someone had this problem and built tools to use to resolve it very nicely |
| 06:31.01 | csdevv | no |
| 06:31.05 | csdevv | thta's my prob |
| 06:31.06 | aida-night | then thou shalt be struck by the holy bolt from the heavens |
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| 06:31.15 | m0ss | Thanks |
| 06:31.20 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yes, it's like it was DESIGNED to work this way, wasn't it? |
| 06:31.20 | csdevv | Yeah you are correct |
| 06:31.32 | aida-night | csdevv: what did you do? |
| 06:31.44 | aida-night | csdevv: did you zap your drive?? |
| 06:31.51 | csdevv | I tried to reinstall lilo on my first hdd |
| 06:31.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: one could almost think that it was DESIGNED to be done that way yes |
| 06:32.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yes, indeed. |
| 06:32.07 | aida-night | csdevv: is the master boot record the only thing that is messed up? |
| 06:32.12 | csdevv | after my system did not start two days ago |
| 06:32.17 | aida-night | if that's the case then you don't have to worry |
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| 06:32.29 | csdevv | no I believe I also crashed the partition table |
| 06:32.32 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: almost as if there were a DESGIN philosophy behind it all |
| 06:32.44 | csdevv | now I am online with a knoppix edition |
| 06:32.48 | joefso | Hi, how can I find out what packages are availble in experimental only? |
| 06:32.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Almost like a full philosophy to ensure TOOLS were built! |
| 06:32.51 | aida-night | csdevv: please elaborate what leads your this "belief" |
| 06:33.15 | csdevv | I tried to reinstall lilo with the mandrake 10.0 cd |
| 06:33.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: so that when we have a problem we could use those TOOLS to solve it? |
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| 06:33.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: And that we could USE them together? |
| 06:33.36 | aida-night | csdevv: what did this process of "trying" involve.. tell me commands |
| 06:33.43 | csdevv | but there was a problem to reinstall lio automatically |
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| 06:33.55 | aida-night | We can't help you if you are not specific |
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| 06:34.17 | csdevv | if you boot the system with the mandrake cd you can find a rescue console by pressing F1 |
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| 06:34.29 | aida-night | yes.. I am familiar with that |
| 06:34.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: to PIPE output from other commands through them |
| 06:34.35 | csdevv | I tried to reinstall lilo with that gui |
| 06:34.42 | cafuego | Ja, pijpen die hap |
| 06:34.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh gee, yeah! So you can use them together! |
| 06:34.56 | Phated | cafuego: Eh? |
| 06:34.56 | csdevv | but there always was a problem with writing to the disk |
| 06:35.37 | aida-night | csdevv: as long as you didn't actually type any commands to modify the partition table, and the hard disk is not physicall damaged, there is a good chance you can still mount the partitions and recover youd ata |
| 06:35.41 | aida-night | data* |
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| 06:35.43 | csdevv | so I thought the disk type might have been wrong because I installed WIN Xp about one year ago, but did not want to keep it and deleted it |
| 06:35.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Almost as if there were a |
| 06:35.55 | scarynetworkguy | !unix philosophy |
| 06:35.55 | dpkg | somebody said unix philosophy was http://www.scarynetworkguy.net |
| 06:35.57 | csdevv | yes I know |
| 06:35.58 | csdevv | but |
| 06:36.17 | csdevv | I changed the disk type with cfdisk under knoppix |
| 06:36.24 | cafuego | Can someone run a 'host 202.125.40.184' for me? |
| 06:36.34 | Phated | cafuego: Hold for one moment. |
| 06:36.41 | csdevv | and then tried to reinstall a WIN-Boot-loader with the mandrake gui |
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| 06:36.47 | Guerin | 184.40.125.202.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer coffee.creativecontingencies.com. |
| 06:36.56 | cafuego | Cool, thanks. |
| 06:36.57 | Phated | cafuego: Name: coffee.creativecontingencies.com |
| 06:36.58 | Phated | Address: 202.125.40.184 |
| 06:37.08 | aida-night | csdevv: did you actually change the partition type??? cause if you did... that's very bad |
| 06:37.15 | Phated | Aaah I was slow. No matter. |
| 06:37.17 | cafuego | That'll teach those bastards to not update their dns delegations. |
| 06:37.17 | csdevv | yes |
| 06:37.29 | aida-night | well.. the changes were writting to the partition table |
| 06:37.30 | Guerin | heheh |
| 06:37.33 | Phated | cafuego: *lifted brow* |
| 06:37.46 | csdevv | now I only earn the message lost interrupt |
| 06:37.47 | aida-night | so you drive is probably beyond redemption |
| 06:37.51 | aida-night | rather your data is |
| 06:37.58 | m0ss | anyone know how to adjust resolution in windowmaker? |
| 06:38.00 | cafuego | Phated: Client's domains hosted at coffee... except my newdns server is not coffee. |
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| 06:38.15 | cafuego | Phated: and i need to turn it off *tomorrow* unless I want another $300 bill |
| 06:38.15 | Phated | cafuego: Aaahhhh... |
| 06:38.21 | aida-night | m0ss: man xfree86 |
| 06:38.22 | scarynetworkguy | ouchies |
| 06:38.27 | Phated | cafuego: Ouch. |
| 06:38.37 | m0ss | its goin good |
| 06:38.41 | jetscreamer | what kind of store should i open |
| 06:38.44 | m0ss | xfree86? |
| 06:38.48 | aida-night | m0ss: even better man man |
| 06:38.51 | cafuego | So rather then them updasting the domaisn I've flipped the IPs on their ns entries |
| 06:38.55 | csdevv | I even cannot mount any of the partitions allthough my knoppix recognizes the partitions but is unable to mount them |
| 06:38.59 | Phated | m0ss: Even better grow a brain. |
| 06:39.05 | m0ss | note taken |
| 06:39.06 | aida-night | m0ss: I suggest you read a little about linux distributions before asking these questions |
| 06:39.10 | m0ss | why |
| 06:39.12 | Phated | jetscreamer: I'd say chocolate! It would make me happy. :) |
| 06:39.17 | jetscreamer | m0ss, having fun? :) |
| 06:39.19 | m0ss | i have you nice insulting people to tell me about them |
| 06:39.25 | m0ss | im having loads of fun |
| 06:39.27 | aida-night | m0ss, because linux isn't like windows... window maker is NOT responsible for changing resolutions |
| 06:39.32 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: one with clues? |
| 06:39.36 | m0ss | but i would like to know how to adjust resolution in windowmaker |
| 06:39.37 | z36ra | I have an rpm that wants to install in /opt. can i have it install in /usr/share simply by unpacking, renaming the base_dir, and generating the deb? |
| 06:39.38 | Phated | Oh, wait, we're insulting him. I think I'll move right along and keep insulting him. |
| 06:39.41 | jetscreamer | Phated, computer related. should i do the repair/reseller thing, or are internet cafe'sprofitable |
| 06:39.43 | m0ss | right |
| 06:39.45 | m0ss | well what is |
| 06:40.04 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite m0ss |
| 06:40.09 | m0ss | responsible that is |
| 06:40.13 | aida-night | m0ss: xfree86 is reponsible for what you see drawn on the screen... |
| 06:40.16 | Guerin | x server |
| 06:40.18 | m0ss | Ok |
| 06:40.27 | Phated | jetscreamer: Hm... I'd personally be really hot for something like a internet cafe with proper food and drinks. :) |
| 06:40.38 | aida-night | m0ss: the file /etc/X11/XF86-Config4 is where the display settings are configured |
| 06:40.41 | Guerin | m0ss: try xrandr or dpkr-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:40.42 | jetscreamer | <--certified food manager too |
| 06:40.50 | Guerin | woo |
| 06:40.52 | z36ra | info: it's eagle by cadsoft. |
| 06:40.53 | Guerin | certified |
| 06:40.57 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:41.00 | Phated | Wooo, impressive. |
| 06:41.02 | thoreauputic | m0ss: if your insult filter is properly adjusted, you will learn stuff here ;) |
| 06:41.06 | scarynetworkguy | that would be nice. something with food that didn't suck |
| 06:41.08 | jetscreamer | heck yeah, 2 days training bay-bee |
| 06:41.09 | gordonjcp | Phated: it's the only way an internet cafe will make money |
| 06:41.13 | Phated | jetscreamer: Heh. |
| 06:41.18 | Phated | gordonjcp: You'd be surprised... |
| 06:41.34 | Phated | jetscreamer: Oooh how about Debian lessons? :D |
| 06:41.56 | m0ss | thor- i know |
| 06:41.58 | jetscreamer | yeah but that's a side thing... |
| 06:42.00 | m0ss | im learning a bunch |
| 06:42.02 | csdevv | is there really no chance to get back my data? |
| 06:42.04 | Phated | jetscreamer: Well yes. |
| 06:42.06 | m0ss | but whats chordmiddle? |
| 06:42.14 | Phated | m0ss: middle click. |
| 06:42.18 | jetscreamer | what i'd do there is make em join this channel |
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| 06:42.24 | deb-nube | wheeee |
| 06:42.26 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: nice |
| 06:42.26 | Phated | jetscreamer: Oh, no, don't you bloody dare. |
| 06:42.32 | jetscreamer | but seriously |
| 06:42.37 | aida-night | csdevv: I would try setting your partition type back to what it was.. and try mounting it manually |
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| 06:42.45 | tcsetattr | chordmiddle is emulating a middle button by pushing left and right buttons simultaneously. don't enable it unless you are tragically missing a middle button |
| 06:42.46 | Phated | jetscreamer: OK, but seriously, internet cafe's running deb! :) |
| 06:42.53 | Phated | tcsetattr: I do. :/ |
| 06:43.00 | deb-nube | updated my kernel with ease |
| 06:43.03 | csdevv | I am unsure whether I will be able to mount it manually |
| 06:43.14 | jetscreamer | i have an investor, and i was just wondering what's profitable... i know how to run a restaurant too btw |
| 06:43.28 | aida-night | csdevv: why?? you are not sure about the commands? |
| 06:43.31 | deb-nube | only thing wrong is sound doesn't work (except with flashplayer?!) |
| 06:43.34 | aida-night | or is there something else |
| 06:43.35 | Phated | jetscreamer: Well then, internet cafe sounds very good. Draw me a map, I'll visit. :) |
| 06:43.37 | csdevv | but what is the message meaning lost interrupt while I am booting any linux from a cd |
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| 06:43.45 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: at least here about the only thing that really makes money is gaming. |
| 06:43.46 | deb-nube | but that's how it was before too |
| 06:43.49 | jetscreamer | his idea was posting stuff on ebay for people |
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| 06:44.27 | Phated | jetscreamer: How about an ebay cafe? :) You know, like a trading post and people know where they can meet to get their stuff. |
| 06:44.33 | deb-nube | :-( |
| 06:44.36 | aida-night | csdevv: I have not encountered that error.. but I fail to see what it has to do with your harddrive.. if you know it's physically intact |
| 06:44.52 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: nice idea |
| 06:44.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah? |
| 06:45.01 | csdevv | doesn't that mean my hdd's writing or reading head is out of it's mechanicl range? |
| 06:45.03 | aida-night | probably cause by some other device in your system |
| 06:45.14 | aida-night | when does it come up? |
| 06:45.20 | csdevv | no I did not change anything and before it was okay, |
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| 06:45.34 | csdevv | after writing those changes I earned the message |
| 06:45.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah. That could be a nice value add. In particular in a larger market |
| 06:45.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Nice. Woo, I came up with an idea! |
| 06:45.58 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nod* |
| 06:46.04 | Phated | :) |
| 06:46.05 | csdevv | after I have written another disk type and reinstalled lilo into /dev/hda5 |
| 06:46.20 | csdevv | and then reinstalled Winbootloader with the mandrake gui |
| 06:46.42 | csdevv | into the same partition |
| 06:46.42 | jetscreamer | that would be good, the investor would like it (and esp his wife) |
| 06:47.04 | csdevv | I cannot get any access to the drive |
| 06:47.12 | aida-night | csdevv: what happens when you try to mount it manually? |
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| 06:47.25 | csdevv | mom I will try to do it |
| 06:47.30 | Phated | jetscreamer: Woohoo, excellent. I'll still visit even though I hate ebay. And hey people could pay in cash at the cafe to each other, you'd do a HUGE business with kids who didn't have parents who were willing to let them use their credit cards. |
| 06:47.30 | jetscreamer | csdew, after you try & try & try and give up, low-level format it |
| 06:47.45 | Guerin | well, obviously, it wouldn't be an ebay thing |
| 06:47.49 | aida-night | mom? |
| 06:47.57 | Guerin | I mean, good luck getting any kind of ebay affiliation |
| 06:47.59 | Phated | aida-night: :) |
| 06:48.01 | csdevv | thks jetscreamer |
| 06:48.10 | Phated | Guerin: Not ebay explicitly then. |
| 06:48.10 | csdevv | I already did that a few times before |
| 06:48.12 | aida-night | Phated: I didn't know I had kids |
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| 06:48.17 | csdevv | with my older hdd's |
| 06:48.20 | jetscreamer | csdevv, that's a last resort |
| 06:48.25 | jetscreamer | k |
| 06:48.26 | csdevv | yes |
| 06:48.27 | Phated | aida-night: I didn't know you did either! :) Why congratulations! |
| 06:48.35 | csdevv | but I don't want to give up too fast |
| 06:48.42 | csdevv | perhaps I will learn sth new |
| 06:48.53 | csdevv | and be able to rescue data in the future |
| 06:48.58 | cahoot | aida-night: moment? |
| 06:49.25 | jetscreamer | csdevv, you "probably" did toast the data, but i wasn't paying attention |
| 06:49.41 | m0ss | Ok so i set up the xfree86 |
| 06:49.51 | aida-night | cahoot: indeed |
| 06:49.51 | csdevv | I tried to reinstall lilo with the mandrake rescue gui from the 1st cd |
| 06:49.55 | m0ss | im trying to find how to put it in /etc/x11 |
| 06:50.04 | jetscreamer | yeah i saw that... use the woody cd |
| 06:50.04 | m0ss | or whatever |
| 06:50.15 | csdevv | then I changed the disk type with cfdisk under knoppix |
| 06:50.20 | aida-night | mv filename /path/to/move/to |
| 06:50.28 | jetscreamer | type rescue root=/dev/hdX at the boot prompt |
| 06:50.36 | jetscreamer | so change it back |
| 06:50.41 | jetscreamer | and pray |
| 06:50.47 | aida-night | yea |
| 06:50.51 | aida-night | I would definitly pray |
| 06:50.51 | jetscreamer | unless you wrote to the partition |
| 06:51.01 | jetscreamer | then i'd sacrifice a goat |
| 06:51.10 | jetscreamer | and know it won't work |
| 06:51.29 | csdevv | what arguments will I have to give by typing what you suggested? |
| 06:51.43 | thoreauputic | m0ss: are you trying to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
| 06:51.51 | m0ss | No |
| 06:51.59 | deb-nube | debian rox :-) |
| 06:52.02 | m0ss | trying to get xf86config to x11 folder |
| 06:52.03 | jetscreamer | by typing what i suggested while booting the woody cd? the path to the / partition |
| 06:52.08 | deb-nube | too bad about sound :-P |
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| 06:52.18 | m0ss | so i can change resolution on monitor |
| 06:52.19 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.20 | aida-night | jetscreamer: he is using mandrake |
| 06:52.40 | jetscreamer | i thought he used a mandrake cd to reinstall lilo |
| 06:52.42 | csdevv | no, at the moment I am online with the knoppix |
| 06:52.47 | jetscreamer | on a debian installation |
| 06:52.49 | csdevv | and there is no rescue command |
| 06:53.15 | thoreauputic | m0ss: umm... resolution is in the file I just mentioned, and I don't understand what the hell you are trying to do |
| 06:53.44 | aida-night | thoreauputic: just wait.. it'll get worse... I gave up |
| 06:53.46 | deb-nube | I'm so close I can taste it ... don't understand why sound works perfectly here: http://creativecommons.org/wired/ in flashplayer inside mozilla |
| 06:53.46 | m0ss | when i start up windowmaker |
| 06:53.58 | m0ss | Laughing Out Loud |
| 06:53.58 | deb-nube | but not from the command line ??! |
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| 06:54.19 | m0ss | i start up windowmaker and the res isnt what i want it to be |
| 06:54.19 | deb-nube | like play sound.wav or aplay sound.wav etc |
| 06:54.25 | Nyle | how can I change the dpi settings for my resolution. I'm running 1600x1200@100 24b and the fonts are by default very huge. how can I find out what dpi setting its currently at and how can I change it? I've looked in the man pages and searched google |
| 06:54.27 | m0ss | i am just trying to figure out how to change |
| 06:54.30 | m0ss | it |
| 06:54.48 | deb-nube | Nyle there's a dpi setting for X I believe |
| 06:55.00 | Nyle | startx -dpi i know |
| 06:55.06 | csdevv | aida-night: I am receiving the message mount special device /dev/hda does not exist |
| 06:55.07 | Nyle | but what do I need to set mine to |
| 06:55.10 | cahoot | Nyle: xdpyinfo |
| 06:55.17 | jetscreamer | m0ss, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is supposed to be able to do what youwant.. if it doesn't something is fuxored |
| 06:55.22 | thoreauputic | m0ss: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:55.28 | deb-nube | probably higher 96dpi say |
| 06:55.30 | aida-night | csdevv: what command did you type to mount? |
| 06:55.45 | jetscreamer | knoppix automount |
| 06:55.58 | csdevv | mount /dev/hda -r /mnt/maxtor |
| 06:55.58 | Nyle | xdpyinfo? |
| 06:56.08 | deb-nube | tells you the current dpi |
| 06:56.27 | cahoot | Nyle: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers might set dpi |
| 06:56.29 | jetscreamer | csdevv, you mount partitions, not hard drives |
| 06:56.30 | Nyle | unable to open display :0.0 |
| 06:56.30 | aida-night | csdevv: do you have even have hda in /dev ? |
| 06:56.31 | deb-nube | Nyle ... do you konw anything about configuring sound? |
| 06:56.35 | aida-night | and yes |
| 06:56.39 | aida-night | mount /dev/hda0 |
| 06:56.39 | jetscreamer | aka mount /dev/hda2 |
| 06:56.41 | aida-night | add the zero |
| 06:56.45 | csdevv | oh sorry |
| 06:56.51 | deb-nube | Nyle, you have to be running X |
| 06:56.52 | csdevv | messed up a little bit |
| 06:56.54 | jetscreamer | 0? |
| 06:56.57 | Nyle | I know all I had to do was install alsabase and alsa utils and stuff and i got sound automatically |
| 06:56.59 | aida-night | or 1 |
| 06:57.01 | aida-night | or whatever |
| 06:57.09 | jetscreamer | yeah it starts at 1 |
| 06:57.10 | Nyle | deb-nube, I am typing this from a console window in X |
| 06:57.19 | cahoot | Nyle: as root? |
| 06:57.22 | Nyle | indeed |
| 06:57.26 | deb-nube | hmm I only have sound inside flash |
| 06:57.30 | cahoot | Nyle: in users X? |
| 06:57.36 | deb-nube | not in any of my sound applications |
| 06:57.39 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:57.43 | csdevv | but I do not know all the arguments I have to give |
| 06:57.45 | Nyle | do i need to login to X as root? |
| 06:57.47 | cahoot | Nyle: that's why |
| 06:57.55 | deb-nube | if you are root |
| 06:57.55 | csdevv | it is a ext3fs-partition |
| 06:58.01 | cahoot | Nyle: run it as user |
| 06:58.06 | jetscreamer | !sex alsa |
| 06:58.07 | dpkg | alsa is about 32% vegetable |
| 06:58.09 | Nyle | oh |
| 06:58.24 | jetscreamer | !rape alsa |
| 06:58.41 | Nyle | ok it gave me a bunch of stuff on that command xpdyinfo |
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| 06:59.07 | jetscreamer | somebody kick the racist |
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| 06:59.20 | csdevv | aida-night: no I don't have hda in /dev |
| 06:59.36 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 06:59.42 | aida-night | csdevv: then your problem is worse than we though |
| 06:59.42 | Nyle | resolution: 123x126 dots per inch |
| 07:00.01 | Nyle | is that what I was looking for, and if so whats a good value to make the fonts a tad bit smaller |
| 07:00.02 | csdevv | yes that is why I am so messed up |
| 07:00.02 | aida-night | csdevv: is this an IDE drive? |
| 07:00.05 | csdevv | :-(( |
| 07:00.09 | csdevv | yes |
| 07:00.15 | csdevv | it is the first ide-driv |
| 07:00.21 | csdevv | mean /dev/hda |
| 07:00.21 | jetscreamer | ls /dev/hd* |
| 07:00.22 | aida-night | does your bios even see the drive??? |
| 07:00.27 | aida-night | yea |
| 07:00.31 | aida-night | do what jet said |
| 07:00.46 | gordonjcp | Nyle: 100dpi is about right for a 19" monitor |
| 07:01.07 | csdevv | yes my BIOS recognizes it |
| 07:01.25 | nigger | you may want to try dmesg | grep hd |
| 07:01.28 | csdevv | the command ls /dev/hda delivered /dev/hda |
| 07:01.30 | sluttywetbitch | ah? |
| 07:01.35 | nigger | that will how if the kernel recognized it |
| 07:01.46 | nigger | s/how/show |
| 07:01.54 | aida-night | csdevv: then it's there |
| 07:01.58 | csdevv | yes |
| 07:02.02 | jetscreamer | how about ls /dev/hda* |
| 07:02.27 | csdevv | ls /dev/hda1 |
| 07:02.33 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:02.35 | simonrvn | nigger, sluttywetbitch: i request that you both change your nicks |
| 07:02.39 | jetscreamer | ls /dev/hda* |
| 07:02.40 | Nyle | resolution: 123x126 dots per inch |
| 07:02.40 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.43 | sluttywetbitch | simonrvn, ah? |
| 07:02.59 | Nyle | i need to make that 100x100 right? |
| 07:03.00 | aida-night | csdevv: put the * there |
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| 07:03.16 | aida-night | that lists every partition on hda |
| 07:03.20 | csdevv | I can see all the five partitions |
| 07:03.24 | jetscreamer | you should get way more than you have though |
| 07:03.27 | simonrvn | sluttywetbitch: you know what i said |
| 07:03.28 | aida-night | excellent |
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| 07:03.39 | xoz | csdevv: cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 07:03.46 | jetscreamer | right |
| 07:03.48 | jetscreamer | do that |
| 07:03.51 | cahoot | Nyle: AFAIK there is only one correct dpi for a given resolution - depends on the physical dimensions of the screen area |
| 07:03.55 | jetscreamer | xoz you line stealer :/ |
| 07:03.55 | csdevv | ooohhh there are many more partitions |
| 07:04.07 | csdevv | cfdisk does not work |
| 07:04.14 | aida-night | cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 07:04.20 | Nyle | how do I find out how big my monitor is? |
| 07:04.20 | jetscreamer | you should get way more than you have though |
| 07:04.23 | csdevv | there are 19 partitions |
| 07:04.27 | cahoot | Nyle: in my experience X figures out the correct dpi by itself |
| 07:04.28 | Guerin | Nyle: ruler |
| 07:04.31 | sluttywetbitch | simonrvn, comon, if it was forbidden, surely it would be blacklisted as many others already are. |
| 07:04.37 | jetscreamer | csdevv, those are imaginary |
| 07:04.37 | xoz | jetscreamer: mind stealer also :) |
| 07:04.38 | Nyle | lol |
| 07:04.40 | jetscreamer | don't worry |
| 07:04.41 | Guerin | sluttywetbitch: no. |
| 07:04.48 | sluttywetbitch | but I guess its ok to take sluttyfuckingbitch as a nickname, since its not blacklisted. |
| 07:05.05 | Guerin | sluttywetbitch: I dunno, why don't you ask an op? |
| 07:05.07 | nigger | csdevv: you can make a blank partition table using cfdisk -z /dev/hda , but first, you may want to dmesg | grep hd to see if the kernel sees the disk |
| 07:05.13 | xoz | csdevv: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 07:05.15 | simonrvn | nigger, sluttywetbitch: i don't care. this is the second i ask nicely |
| 07:05.20 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:05.21 | csdevv | mom plz |
| 07:05.36 | jetscreamer | csdevv, see what typing mount returns |
| 07:05.37 | sluttywetbitch | simonrvn, yeah and it was really cute of you. |
| 07:05.43 | Guerin | csdevv: is your mother in this channel? |
| 07:05.52 | simonrvn | sluttywetbitch: you don't know my temper |
| 07:05.59 | Nyle | wtf is goin on, you guys are being morons |
| 07:06.02 | Nyle | cut it out |
| 07:06.06 | xoz | simonrvn: she is now nicelittlegirl |
| 07:06.08 | Guerin | Nyle: pot, meet kettle |
| 07:06.17 | nigger | yeah let ppl pick their own nicks simonrvn |
| 07:06.19 | Nyle | im trying to get my dpi fixed here |
| 07:06.35 | simonrvn | nigger: not if they insult people |
| 07:06.40 | helix | nigger: please change your nick. being purposely offensive is silly. |
| 07:06.40 | jetscreamer | and we have that black guy to go with the pot and the kettle |
| 07:06.42 | Guerin | nigger: dict decency |
| 07:06.49 | nicelittlegirl | Nyle, does it disturbs your inner peace? |
| 07:06.54 | csdevv | dmesg delivered only end_request: I/O error |
| 07:07.13 | simonrvn | nicelittlegirl: i doubt trolls have inner peace, otherwise they wouldn't troll |
| 07:07.14 | pingouiin | hello |
| 07:07.49 | Nyle | i can deal with sexually offensive/nonoffensive stuff, but cmon man, nigger, thats like an open invitation to flaming |
| 07:07.55 | Nyle | i thought we were grownups in here |
| 07:07.58 | simonrvn | thoreauputic: not just "regular" trolling this |
| 07:08.11 | cahoot | Nyle: one thing is to make sure the 100dpi fonts are listed before the 75dpi fonts in the relevant config |
| 07:08.19 | Nyle | ahh |
| 07:08.21 | jetscreamer | ya'll waste around too much, just take action :) |
| 07:08.22 | Nyle | i foudn it |
| 07:08.22 | simonrvn | nicelittlegirl: some poepl are too immature to let near a computer, never mind a stove |
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| 07:08.27 | thoreauputic | simonrvn: I agree that it's offensive |
| 07:08.28 | nigger | well, actually another nick was my first choice, but the server wouldn't take it. |
| 07:08.30 | simonrvn | Nyle: ^^ |
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| 07:08.40 | Nyle | a page online |
| 07:08.42 | Nyle | brb |
| 07:08.43 | helix | nigger: so find something else or you will be removed. |
| 07:08.45 | simonrvn | nigger: what, fascist? |
| 07:08.47 | xoz | csdevv: to install lilo using a rescue cd, you must specify to load you root directory at bootprompt so that lilo can get the correct device map |
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| 07:09.01 | jetscreamer | just remove them sheesh why are you wasting time |
| 07:09.03 | cahoot | simonrvn: moron more likely |
| 07:09.08 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:09.12 | nicelittlegirl | simonrvn, yeah, some others are way too serious about it tho. |
| 07:09.12 | csdevv | but the hdd is not readable |
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| 07:09.20 | xoz | nigger: the op is requesting you... they own the house. |
| 07:09.23 | simonrvn | nicelittlegirl: that wasn't for you |
| 07:09.58 | Troudecul | ah well. |
| 07:10.01 | thoreauputic | nigger: helix has been patient - it won't last much longer I suspect |
| 07:10.19 | Nyle | dude, type /nick Niger |
| 07:10.23 | Nyle | we can deal with that |
| 07:10.25 | simonrvn | /kb them now. enough of this fucking bullshit |
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| 07:10.31 | Nyle | thats like nyger u know |
| 07:10.33 | Nyle | not offensive |
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| 07:10.40 | simonrvn | TRASH NAZI TRASH |
| 07:10.46 | jetscreamer | simonrvn, that's what i said on_join |
| 07:10.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:10.55 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: w00t |
| 07:10.59 | Troudecul | yeah, you were disturbed. |
| 07:11.09 | helix | oh well. |
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| 07:11.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@sdn-ap-007caburbP0127.dialsprint.net] by helix |
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| 07:11.16 | jetscreamer | bout time |
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| 07:11.25 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 07:11.26 | simonrvn | the other idiot too |
| 07:11.35 | simonrvn | Guerin: wow |
| 07:11.51 | simonrvn | half-breed like me, though different kind |
| 07:12.01 | Guerin | heh, word |
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| 07:12.36 | Guerin | let us contemplate for a moment the valuable contribution interbreeding of different nationalities has made to our world |
| 07:13.03 | m0ss | hey thor |
| 07:13.08 | simonrvn | xoz: we are emotional creatures, we can't help it |
| 07:13.27 | thoreauputic | m0ss: your tab key stuck? |
| 07:13.28 | m0ss | or jet |
| 07:13.28 | cahoot | Guerin: thinkig of the eskimo-polynesian connection? |
| 07:13.32 | m0ss | No |
| 07:13.34 | m0ss | why? |
| 07:13.39 | m0ss | Nevermind |
| 07:13.41 | Guerin | cahoot: what's an eskimo? |
| 07:13.42 | m0ss | anywyas |
| 07:13.49 | simonrvn | inuk |
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| 07:13.53 | cahoot | Guerin: sorry innuit |
| 07:13.55 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you *do* know about tab completion then? |
| 07:13.58 | m0ss | maybe there is no solution |
| 07:14.02 | m0ss | Yes |
| 07:14.06 | m0ss | i do |
| 07:14.09 | thoreauputic | m0ss: to what/ |
| 07:14.14 | m0ss | but in windowmaker |
| 07:14.15 | thoreauputic | *? |
| 07:14.21 | csdevv | so thanks folks for your help |
| 07:14.26 | m0ss | all of the toolbars in programs are huge |
| 07:14.34 | Guerin | cahoot: that connection, among plenty others. |
| 07:14.38 | csdevv | think I really have to lowlevelformat it |
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| 07:14.44 | m0ss | barely enough room to do anything in firefox and gimp |
| 07:14.47 | csdevv | bye |
| 07:14.57 | m0ss | the toolbars are huge |
| 07:14.59 | thoreauputic | m0ss: I use fluxbox - I'm sure there are docs for windowmaker |
| 07:15.09 | simonrvn | m0ss: you can make them smaller |
| 07:15.16 | m0ss | do you know how? |
| 07:15.22 | simonrvn | m0ss: right click on the toolbar |
| 07:15.33 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:15.58 | Nyle | ok, the weird thing is, when I login with gnome, the font sizes are ok, but in kde, the fonts are huge, even if I make them smaller, some programs, such as xchat still uses huge fonts on the buttons/window etc. In Gnome xchat displays the smaller more proper font size. So i don't think its a dpi problem, its got something to do with kde, anyone know how I can go about fixing this freakin thing |
| 07:16.12 | m0ss | Ok |
| 07:16.23 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: yes, install xfce4 |
| 07:16.25 | xoz | Nyle: kcontrol |
| 07:16.27 | Guerin | Nyle: welcome to cross-toolkit display problems |
| 07:16.52 | Nyle | xoz, :) |
| 07:16.52 | Guerin | Nyle: in kde, qt apps will be fine but gtk apps will be fucked; in gnome gtk apps will be fine but qt apps won't |
| 07:17.01 | Nyle | oh |
| 07:17.08 | Nyle | now wtf is that crap :/ |
| 07:17.20 | Nyle | that sucks, major major bung holes |
| 07:17.21 | Guerin | Nyle: you need to set both DEs to think they're running on the same dpi, with the same fionts and sizes. |
| 07:17.28 | thoreauputic | Nyle: you can find a kind of compromise setting but it won't be perfect |
| 07:17.36 | m0ss | i think nyle and me are into the same dilemma |
| 07:17.43 | m0ss | what about wmaker? |
| 07:17.47 | Guerin | yeah, it'sa big pain in the arse. |
| 07:17.49 | xoz | Nyle: configure both control panels |
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| 07:17.59 | Nyle | oh |
| 07:18.09 | Guerin | the good bit: you can run kcontrol from gnome, and gnom-control-center from kde without trouble |
| 07:18.18 | Guerin | so just run them side by side |
| 07:18.32 | Nyle | xoz, configuing the gnome cp will fix the font sizes on these gtk apps in kde |
| 07:18.43 | xoz | Nyle: a little trial-and-chaos thing, |
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| 07:18.47 | Nyle | lol |
| 07:18.48 | Guerin | hehe |
| 07:18.49 | Nyle | chaos eh |
| 07:18.54 | thoreauputic | m0ss: no I think your issue is different |
| 07:18.58 | simonrvn | xoz: hehe, i like that, trial-and-chaos :) |
| 07:19.24 | Nyle | ya'll are awesome, thanks a bunch |
| 07:19.34 | xoz | simonrvn: error leads to chaos to order ... :) |
| 07:19.34 | m0ss | Ok |
| 07:19.44 | m0ss | well does anyone know how to help fix? |
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| 07:20.25 | thoreauputic | m0ss: have you looked for the windowmaker webpage? Probably info there |
| 07:20.45 | simonrvn | xoz: heh |
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| 07:21.18 | m0ss | im lookin |
| 07:21.20 | m0ss | its funny |
| 07:21.25 | m0ss | the things they say to do |
| 07:21.27 | m0ss | dont do anything |
| 07:21.33 | m0ss | they are just options which do nothing |
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| 07:21.48 | m0ss | could sarge be the cause of the bugginess? |
| 07:22.15 | thoreauputic | m0ss: maybe look at this - haven't read it but might give you ideas |
| 07:22.17 | thoreauputic | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/725/1/ |
| 07:22.38 | vipersniper | i did apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.7 and it did not unzip the file in /usr/src |
| 07:22.41 | simonrvn | xoz: eyup |
| 07:22.43 | xoz | m0ss: rm -rf GNUstep .. then restart wmaker |
| 07:23.10 | m0ss | Thanks |
| 07:23.16 | vipersniper | do i just unzip the file |
| 07:23.19 | MerlinCorey | vipersniper: yes... |
| 07:23.34 | walken | anyone know why amd64 debian does not have 2.4.x kernels ? |
| 07:23.40 | MerlinCorey | vipersniper: tar -jxf /usr/src/kerenel-source-2.6[tab] |
| 07:23.42 | vipersniper | tar -vxjf file name |
| 07:23.46 | walken | is that unstable compared to 2.6.x ? |
| 07:23.54 | vipersniper | -xvjf |
| 07:24.16 | Guerin | walken: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 07:24.23 | walken | ok :) |
| 07:24.28 | xoz | m0ss: GNUstep dir is often fck up by wmaker... so you have to backup a working one and restore it if wmaker cant start with the current one. |
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| 07:24.39 | Guerin | vipersniper: you shouldn't compile outside your home dir anyway |
| 07:25.06 | Guerin | vipersniper: if you're building something which looks only in /usr/src/, make symlinks |
| 07:25.11 | m0ss | nothing seems to be working |
| 07:25.15 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: that's not what debian.org + newbiedoc say about it :/ |
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| 07:25.25 | m0ss | i disable clip in preferences...it still there |
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| 07:25.39 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: compiling in a directory which requires root permissions is just damn stupid |
| 07:25.58 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: no, it only requires you be in the src group and can use fakeroot |
| 07:26.16 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: that can work, too. |
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| 07:26.27 | thoreauputic | m0ss: well, you could always choose adifferent window manager ;) http://xwinman.org/ |
| 07:26.48 | MerlinCorey | what fabulous prize will I get today..? |
| 07:26.50 | MerlinCorey | !win MerlinCorey |
| 07:26.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, MerlinCorey! You have won the US presidency! |
| 07:26.58 | MerlinCorey | damnit! responsibility! |
| 07:26.59 | MerlinCorey | :/ |
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| 07:27.02 | thoreauputic | m0ss: apt-get install fluxbox ;) |
| 07:27.11 | xoz | m0ss: better use another window manager. wmaker is a little buggy in using configs. you can fix it if you have enough experience... but at this time, better use fluxbox or xfce or openbox. fluxbox and openbox can load those tiny little windows of wmaker also. |
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| 07:28.41 | Vicious | #flood /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 07:29.14 | m0ss | whats fluxbox |
| 07:29.27 | MerlinCorey | a window manager... |
| 07:29.32 | m0ss | duh |
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| 07:29.45 | xoz | m0ss: same function of wmaker |
| 07:29.46 | MerlinCorey | all the gentoo kiddies swear by it and must have the latest version of it... |
| 07:29.50 | thoreauputic | m0ss: http://fluxbox.org/ |
| 07:29.53 | Asulao | hello. problem with vsftpd. need to disable outgoing tcp connections to clients. how can I do this? |
| 07:30.03 | xoz | m0ss: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 07:30.08 | solars | I got a debian webserver running on stable, now I have to install php5 and mysql4 how can I do this and keep the server as stable as possible? |
| 07:30.11 | xoz | m0ss: apt-cache show fluxbox |
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| 07:30.49 | m0ss | how do i get into fluxbox? |
| 07:30.53 | thoreauputic | MerlinCorey: not only Gentoo kiddies :) |
| 07:31.03 | MerlinCorey | hey, I'm running fluxbox on my laptop :P |
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| 07:31.15 | xoz | m0ss: i just told you |
| 07:31.15 | m0ss | well how do i get into it? |
| 07:31.18 | zakame | ehlo |
| 07:31.22 | m0ss | i got it |
| 07:31.24 | stew | solars: if you wanna keep the server as stable as possible then s/5/4/ |
| 07:31.25 | m0ss | how do i run it |
| 07:31.36 | brc_ | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 07:31.39 | MerlinCorey | m0ss: :/ |
| 07:31.39 | xoz | m0ss: do you use startx? |
| 07:31.51 | m0ss | Yes |
| 07:31.59 | solars | stew, s/5/4 ? you mean use php4 ? |
| 07:32.03 | stew | yes |
| 07:32.11 | xoz | m0ss: edit .xsession. replace wmaker with fluxbox |
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| 07:32.15 | solars | stew, okay.. but how do I upgrade to mysql4 ? |
| 07:32.27 | Guerin | !dotdeb |
| 07:32.43 | brc_ | :>< |
| 07:32.55 | brc_ | vipersniper, see http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 07:33.09 | solars | stew, just that package, to keep the system still more or less stable |
| 07:33.21 | MerlinCorey | solars: well, "staying as stable as possible" you'll just have to wait until sarge goes stable, methinks... |
| 07:33.29 | stew | !info mysql-server sarge |
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| 07:33.42 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.21-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 3554 kB, Installed size: 8612 kB |
| 07:33.48 | thoreauputic | m0ss: or you can do startx `which fluxbox` (where `` are backticks - top left on the same key as ~) |
| 07:33.50 | brc_ | ~sarge release date |
| 07:33.58 | Guerin | !dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged upn and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 07:33.59 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 07:34.01 | stew | solars: ^^^ if you upgrade to sarge you get mysql4 |
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| 07:34.07 | Guerin | !sarge guess |
| 07:34.07 | dpkg | At a guess, sarge will be ready in about... 6 months, or see <guess>. |
| 07:34.26 | MerlinCorey | !gentoosmite all teh world |
| 07:34.34 | brc_ | ~sarge release date is <reply> When It's Ready (TM) |
| 07:34.35 | apt | brc_: okay |
| 07:34.35 | solars | MerlinCorey, stew the reason is that a software package that has to be installed, needs mysql4 |
| 07:34.52 | MerlinCorey | solars: so look at dotdeb, like Guerin has been intimating :) |
| 07:34.55 | Guerin | wow, if the whole world actually ran 0.8% faster and only took 7 weeks to compile, that would be worth it |
| 07:35.07 | simonrvn | !dotdeb =~ s/upn/upon/ |
| 07:35.07 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
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| 07:35.29 | xoz | Guerin: you want to grow old faster :) |
| 07:35.30 | m0ss | so |
| 07:35.30 | tcsetattr | I think it's supposed to be "packaged up". packaged upon what? |
| 07:35.32 | Guerin | !dotdeb =~ s/upon/up/ |
| 07:35.32 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 07:35.36 | m0ss | im in fluxbox |
| 07:35.44 | solars | MerlinCorey, hm whats dotdeb? |
| 07:35.48 | MerlinCorey | m0ss: congratulations |
| 07:35.48 | m0ss | mozilla is still HUGE |
| 07:35.51 | m0ss | Laughing Out Loud |
| 07:35.53 | m0ss | Thanks |
| 07:35.56 | MerlinCorey | !tell Solars about dotdeb |
| 07:35.59 | Guerin | solars: jesus, can you read? |
| 07:36.10 | moredruid | I get a message "Unprotected Private Host Key", now ssh won't accept incoming connections. How do I fix this? |
| 07:36.12 | MerlinCorey | fucktard, maybe..? |
| 07:36.29 | thoreauputic | m0ss: if you want to configure fluxbox, go to fluxbox.org and read the docs - they are very good |
| 07:36.30 | simonrvn | moredruid: file perms are fucked. should be 600 |
| 07:36.37 | Guerin | moredruid: fix the permissions on your host key. It must not be world readable. |
| 07:36.41 | Spoof][c[away] | What difference bitween debian packages : apache-ssl , apache-perl and apache ? |
| 07:36.42 | MerlinCorey | moredruid: on a guess, I think maybe some settings in your ~/.ssh/ |
| 07:36.51 | Guerin | !guess |
| 07:36.52 | dpkg | from memory, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 07:36.53 | xoz | m0ss: you can load the wm* of wmaker like wmclock ... |
| 07:37.00 | solars | Guerin, I didn't receive anything before as you typed !dotdeb |
| 07:37.01 | thoreauputic | m0ss: just resize the mozilla window then |
| 07:37.02 | zakame | hehe, fucktard... |
| 07:37.03 | MerlinCorey | Well, that's exactly what it was :) |
| 07:37.06 | Guerin | !dotdeb |
| 07:37.06 | dpkg | i guess dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 07:37.08 | xoz | m0ss: by editing you .xsession |
| 07:37.25 | zakame | anyone got pointers to building firefox on woody? |
| 07:37.33 | MerlinCorey | ouch, why..? |
| 07:38.20 | m0ss | Ok |
| 07:38.20 | stew | zakame: have you looked for backports? |
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| 07:38.38 | MerlinCorey | zakame: I just fail to make the connection between a system that must be running woody and a system that must have firefox... :/ |
| 07:38.40 | MerlinCorey | but... |
| 07:38.42 | MerlinCorey | !backports |
| 07:38.42 | m0ss | first...its the font in firefox...its huge...like the words "file and edit and tools" |
| 07:38.42 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 07:39.00 | Nyle | whats the diff between a screen and a display? |
| 07:39.06 | xoz | m0ss: your dpi is the problem. |
| 07:39.13 | m0ss | second...can i chage the background image in fluxbox on its own? |
| 07:39.20 | m0ss | ok...how do i fix dpi? |
| 07:39.23 | stew | Nyle: context? |
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| 07:39.37 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: a screen has a display, iirc... |
| 07:39.50 | Guerin | Nyle: a display doesn't necessarily happen on a screen - for example, xprint prints to an x display, then gives that to your printer |
| 07:39.58 | thoreauputic | m0ss: you can change the background - you need either bsetbg or fbsetbg |
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| 07:40.26 | xoz | m0ss: edit /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc ... change it to 100 or 75 or 120. depends on your display. |
| 07:40.42 | xoz | m0ss: then restart X |
| 07:40.51 | Nyle | well im looking at /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers and out of 4 lines 3 are commented. the one that isn't looksl ike this :0 local@tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -nolisten tcp vt7 . I was trying to modifyt he kde default dpi to 96 |
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| 07:41.14 | Abnix | so a long time on a system that was running server only duty (no kybrd/mse/vid) I'd had a problem with agetty filling up my logs with spam, so I did something to make it stop, don't remember what though, unfortunately I've decided to use this rig for a desktop machine and no longer am able to log in on the console (there's no prompt) but I can login remotely....Any ideas? |
| 07:41.16 | Guerin | Nyle: that's the wrong file. |
| 07:41.18 | zakame | stew: I prefer bts. ;) no backports for me... |
| 07:41.20 | Nyle | oh |
| 07:41.31 | zakame | MerlinCorey: of course there is. |
| 07:41.33 | Guerin | Nyle: I don't know what file you need; ask #kde or #debian-kde |
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| 07:41.43 | moredruid | thanks guys, it's working again... but eh... does this mean my system has been compromised, because I don't recall changing anything there |
| 07:41.43 | xoz | Nyle: are you using kdm? |
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| 07:41.52 | stew | zakame: bts? |
| 07:41.54 | Nyle | yes I am |
| 07:41.56 | hanasaki | trying to get udf to work on sarge with kernel 2.6.8.1 and gettting this outptu... any suggetions? |
| 07:41.59 | hanasaki | pktsetup /dev/pktcdvd0 /dev/hdc |
| 07:41.59 | hanasaki | open packet device: No such device or address |
| 07:41.59 | Guerin | build the source |
| 07:42.03 | stew | oh |
| 07:42.04 | m0ss | its a really old 15" monitor...but supports 1024x768 |
| 07:42.08 | m0ss | needs more dpi |
| 07:42.13 | Nyle | xoz, im using kdm |
| 07:42.14 | m0ss | dont know what would be good |
| 07:42.17 | m0ss | prob 100 |
| 07:42.29 | xoz | Nyle: then, it might be the correct file.... add -dpi 96 and restart it |
| 07:42.32 | m0ss | 96 |
| 07:42.36 | Nyle | ok |
| 07:42.37 | thoreauputic | m0ss: try different settings and see |
| 07:42.39 | zakame | stew: Build Tree from Source, or build from source, bfs... |
| 07:42.51 | Nyle | X supports the -dpi switch? |
| 07:42.53 | m0ss | what fle was that agin? |
| 07:43.20 | cahoot | m0ss: measure the physical dimension - divide resolution with the measure in inches - you get the correct dpi |
| 07:43.27 | xoz | m0ss: no, you have to use a trial-and-chaos thing... start with 75, then 90, then 100... checking how your firefox would behave |
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| 07:43.46 | m0ss | what file? |
| 07:43.46 | xoz | m0ss: most will use 100 |
| 07:44.00 | m0ss | what do i edit? |
| 07:44.01 | xoz | m0ss: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 07:44.10 | thoreauputic | m0ss: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 07:44.18 | xoz | m0ss: use vi /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 07:44.28 | thoreauputic | or nano |
| 07:44.29 | xoz | m0ss: or whatever editor |
| 07:44.32 | Abnix | huh gotta love how everyone on this network tends to ignore me... |
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| 07:44.54 | thoreauputic | xoz: vi might be a bit intimidating :) |
| 07:45.32 | m0ss | how do i edit that file? |
| 07:45.34 | xoz | thoreauputic: yep. cant judge it with its blank screen, though :) |
| 07:45.45 | MerlinCorey | Abnix: did you say something..? :P |
| 07:45.47 | Abnix | so a long ago time on a system that was running server only duty (no kybrd/mse/vid) I'd had a problem with agetty filling up my logs with spam, so I did something to make it stop, don't remember what though, unfortunately I've decided to use this rig for a desktop machine and no longer am able to log in on the console (there's no prompt) but I can login remotely....Any ideas? |
| 07:45.53 | Abnix | yes, |
| 07:45.54 | thoreauputic | m0ss: open it in an editor? |
| 07:45.54 | Abnix | that |
| 07:45.59 | Abnix | a while ago |
| 07:46.14 | xoz | Abnix: inittab? |
| 07:46.18 | stew | Abnix: un-brake /etc/inittab |
| 07:46.19 | MerlinCorey | yes, reset up the consoles... |
| 07:47.00 | xoz | Abnix: you have to have some consoles respawning |
| 07:47.05 | moredruid | exit |
| 07:47.19 | Nyle | ok are there any other files I should be aware of that can possibly override the dpi settings |
| 07:47.29 | MerlinCorey | !any ideas |
| 07:47.29 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 07:47.33 | MerlinCorey | I love this one... |
| 07:47.33 | thoreauputic | m0ss: nano is pretty easy, or apt-get install gedit for a graphical editor : you will need to be root to edit thet file |
| 07:47.41 | Nyle | cuz i noticed in linux u have to freakin modify a bajillion files to get one thing working |
| 07:47.54 | simonrvn | Nyle: not so |
| 07:47.56 | MerlinCorey | Nyle: really..? no I don't... |
| 07:47.58 | xoz | Nyle: depends on whether you use kdm, startx, or gdm |
| 07:48.18 | xoz | Nyle: each has its own config for dpi. |
| 07:48.19 | Karzy_ | Which net installation cd do you guys think is the best? I just downloaded this XFS 3.0 one but it asked for a password when I tried to unencrypt it? |
| 07:48.32 | thoreauputic | m0ss: eg su <password> ; nano /etc/path/to/file |
| 07:48.38 | m0ss | huh? |
| 07:48.42 | Nyle | :0 local@tty1 /usr/X11R6/bin/X -dpi 96 -nolisten tcp vt7 thats what the line looks like now, lets see if it worked, what do I do know, alt crt backspace? |
| 07:48.46 | MerlinCorey | !tell Karzy_ about d-i |
| 07:48.52 | stew | Karzy_: you downloaded what? /msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:48.55 | thoreauputic | m0ss: what don't you understand? |
| 07:48.57 | simonrvn | Karzy_: that's an unofficial one. the page you got it from has the password *hint* |
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| 07:49.03 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:49.07 | xoz | m0ss: you need to be root |
| 07:49.18 | Abnix | hmm |
| 07:49.19 | simonrvn | read what's in front of you, people |
| 07:49.20 | Karzy_ | stew: a netinst CD |
| 07:49.30 | Abnix | the inittab on that machine is identical to the one on this machien |
| 07:49.30 | Karzy_ | XFS-enabled for deb 3.0 |
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| 07:49.37 | Abnix | (md5sum agrees) |
| 07:49.42 | simonrvn | Karzy_: like i said, unofficial |
| 07:50.01 | simonrvn | Karzy_: get a d-i one like MerlinCorey told the bot to tell you |
| 07:50.04 | Asulao | hello. problem with vsftpd. need to disable outgoing tcp connections to clients (or use a specific server port). how can I do this? |
| 07:50.11 | Karzy_ | simonrvn: the darn link was to an ftp site tho |
| 07:50.27 | MerlinCorey | Asulao: have you read any documentation..? |
| 07:50.31 | Asulao | yes |
| 07:50.33 | stew | Karzy_: ftp? why didn't you say so |
| 07:50.46 | Asulao | pasv_enable, port_enable ... they don't seem to work |
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| 07:50.51 | Nyle | hallejulah |
| 07:50.55 | Nyle | it worked |
| 07:51.08 | Nyle | thanks you very mucho grande |
| 07:51.21 | simonrvn | stew: "the darn link was". implies to was linked to from a web site, which i'm almost 100% positive it was |
| 07:51.26 | Karzy_ | stew: cool the link Merlin sent me is gonna do the trick I think, thanks! |
| 07:51.43 | MerlinCorey | you're welcome, but thank the bot, too... |
| 07:51.48 | Nyle | lol now i have to make the fonts bigger in kde cuz now they are too small, brb |
| 07:51.53 | stew | simonrvn: if it was from the intarnet it musta been the right one |
| 07:51.54 | xoz | Nyle: smaller fonts now? |
| 07:51.55 | Karzy_ | thanks bot :) |
| 07:52.08 | Karzy_ | I stepped on this little notebook I have |
| 07:52.08 | Nyle | yeh, i just gotta change from size 8 to 10 |
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| 07:52.10 | simonrvn | stew: in an intarball :P |
| 07:52.10 | Nyle | thats all |
| 07:52.15 | stew | heh |
| 07:52.19 | Karzy_ | and I can't find a screen for it on ebay, so I'm going to install X on it and use the s-video out |
| 07:52.21 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 07:52.28 | Asulao | MerlinCorey: those are the options to configura right? and/or maybe connect_from_port_20 |
| 07:52.29 | Guerin | simonrvn: heh |
| 07:52.30 | Karzy_ | so I can use it to play movies and dvds in my living room :) |
| 07:53.00 | xoz | Nyle: if you change display manager or upgrade kde, it maybe change ... so keep watching :) |
| 07:53.06 | solars | stew, do you know how to install phpmyadmin for php5? apt doesn't want that.. |
| 07:53.12 | Guerin | any of you fine folks know if it's possible to display a linux console on a tv via TV-out? |
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| 07:53.22 | simonrvn | Asulao: ftp uses 2 ports, one data and one control. 21, and 20 |
| 07:53.36 | MerlinCorey | Asulao: ftp_data_port is more like it... |
| 07:53.37 | Karzy_ | Guerin: some laptops do it automatically |
| 07:53.41 | stew | solars: the only thing i know about php5 is that i'm not ready to run it yet |
| 07:53.42 | MerlinCorey | and the related one... |
| 07:53.58 | Asulao | simonrvn: but when a client tries to connect to ftp, I get random port connections originatin from server |
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| 07:54.06 | solars | stew, is it pretty unstable yet ? |
| 07:54.12 | Guerin | Karzy_: what if I'm using a geforce4 with a tvout cable instead of a laptop? |
| 07:54.18 | simonrvn | Asulao: read the FTP RFC |
| 07:54.43 | stew | solars: i have no idea, but i have not seen any reason to upgrade from php4 which works. php5 is only months old its bound to have bugs |
| 07:54.48 | flanker | Do you guys know what metric 1 means when added at the end of the add gateway command? |
| 07:54.49 | Nyle | oh i got it now, thanks xoz |
| 07:55.05 | solars | stew, alright, just thought about upgrading .. |
| 07:55.06 | xoz | Guerin: there should be a hardware video switch... or bios. |
| 07:55.08 | stew | flanker: in linux, nothing |
| 07:55.14 | Nyle | I am very limited on fonts, i need more fonts, how do I get more fonts |
| 07:55.28 | Guerin | xoz: on the card? or on the computer? |
| 07:55.38 | simonrvn | Nyle: search for them, "xfont" |
| 07:55.40 | Guerin | Nyle: apt-cache search font |
| 07:55.48 | flanker | stew: I am looking at a linux script.. and its got the gateway and a metric on the end... |
| 07:55.53 | Nyle | i did, i don't know which ones to get |
| 07:55.54 | Asulao | MerlinCorey: still not working I get outgoing packets suck as: PROTO=TCP SPT=54972 DPT=2180 ... |
| 07:55.57 | stew | solars: unless you need something specific from php5, upgrading is bound to cause more problems then it would solve |
| 07:56.05 | xoz | Guerin: like a magic key... but i guess the bios should support automatic view for video out. |
| 07:56.09 | Guerin | Nyle: htfswk what you want? |
| 07:56.16 | m0ss | Ok how do i get out of the logon thing from x win |
| 07:56.18 | MerlinCorey | Asulao: like someone else said, read the RFC... |
| 07:56.22 | Guerin | xoz: this is encouraging. |
| 07:56.22 | solars | stew, okay, I'll keep php4 in this case, thank you |
| 07:56.26 | Nyle | whoah |
| 07:56.28 | stew | flanker: yeah. and the mertic part is meaningless |
| 07:56.30 | Nyle | what was that man |
| 07:56.35 | MerlinCorey | Asulao: have you been through /usr/share/doc/vsftpd ? |
| 07:56.41 | xoz | Nyle: use your windows fonts. |
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| 07:56.57 | Asulao | MerlinCorey: no just the man. Ok I'll take a look. thanks |
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| 07:57.49 | xoz | Guerin: sometimes, the support software will allow you to enable that but you need to run it in windows ;) |
| 07:59.57 | flanker | stew: I've seen it myself with cisco gear, with traffic favouring the path with the lower metric... |
| 08:00.05 | m0ss | alright |
| 08:00.11 | m0ss | ive got a new stumper |
| 08:00.14 | stew | flanker: in *linux* it is meaningless |
| 08:00.29 | Nyle | I have finally got this working, I started with grub for nt and ended up with a debian linux system with my hp psc 2410 printer, ethernetcard, video card, music, ntfs drives browsing, mail and openoffice. I couldn't have done it without you people, thanks a lot |
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| 08:00.40 | m0ss | i restarted my comp and now i cant get to the black screen with the computer prompt |
| 08:00.49 | Asulao | MerlinCorey: there's not much AT /usr/share/doc/vsftp ... a readme, a faq... |
| 08:00.55 | m0ss | it gives me a login startx prompt |
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| 08:01.16 | Guerin | xoz: well, this box will be a router and media station, for playing music and video on my stereo and TV - but ideally I'd run the video side of things on a vesa console |
| 08:01.19 | stew | flanker: unless you are running somehting like zebra, in which case you would never be asking questions like this |
| 08:01.21 | MerlinCorey | Asulao: well, I'm not the maintainer or the developer so I don't know what to tell you :) |
| 08:01.33 | Guerin | xoz: X is unnecessary overhead, really |
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| 08:01.40 | xoz | Nyle: what a satisfaction to have laboured and learn lots of new knowledge. |
| 08:01.56 | Asulao | MerlinCorey: but you seem to know about vsftpd. maybe you can help |
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| 08:02.01 | Nyle | if the kernel gives erros about loading some drivers, where would the log file be that holds this info |
| 08:02.06 | Nyle | xoz, indeed |
| 08:02.13 | Guerin | Nyle: even if we did call you a fucktard a few times :P |
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| 08:02.22 | Nyle | its all good man |
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| 08:02.27 | MerlinCorey | Asulao: I've done all I can... |
| 08:02.29 | austin9 | a quick tip please? |
| 08:02.33 | xoz | Guerin: ah, streaming? |
| 08:02.34 | Nyle | life is to short to be pissed at people |
| 08:02.35 | Guerin | Nyle: don't worry too much about kernel module warnings as long as everything works |
| 08:02.36 | Nyle | :) |
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| 08:02.48 | Asulao | MerlinCorey: ok thanks. |
| 08:02.50 | stew | Nyle: /var/log/messages ; dmsg |
| 08:03.04 | Nyle | but i don't want to see those at boot time, i'd like to know how to fix that. |
| 08:03.10 | Nyle | ok |
| 08:03.16 | Guerin | xoz: nope, I just want to run a console on my TV so I can do mplayer -vo vesa foo.avi and then watch it on TV |
| 08:03.38 | Guerin | Nyle: how often do you boot anyway? |
| 08:03.54 | Guerin | Nyle: my advice: turn your monitor off before booting |
| 08:03.54 | simonrvn | as little as possible ;) |
| 08:03.58 | austin9 | sarge net installer failed to install desktop packages, what do I need to apt-get to get kde running? |
| 08:04.06 | Nyle | umm |
| 08:04.08 | Nyle | not too much |
| 08:04.10 | Guerin | austin9: kde x-window-system |
| 08:04.17 | simonrvn | austin9: installer doesn't install x |
| 08:04.31 | simonrvn | not by default anyway |
| 08:04.32 | Nyle | only when I need to play diablo2 or morrowind or view my files that only windows media player can play |
| 08:04.38 | Nyle | other than that I use linux now |
| 08:04.42 | austin9 | apt-get install w-window-system kde? |
| 08:04.49 | xoz | Guerin: then the video out should be working... unless there's a *switch* to enable it... the moment there is an output cable plugged to it, that may be the switch. |
| 08:04.49 | simonrvn | x- |
| 08:04.56 | Guerin | Nyle: no such thing as a file that only WiMP can play - unless they're drm |
| 08:04.56 | stew | Guerin: when you say console, do you mean sans X? |
| 08:05.06 | austin9 | yeah x, whoops |
| 08:05.11 | austin9 | thanks a bunch |
| 08:05.14 | Guerin | xoz: right. Cool. I don't have the card yet. |
| 08:05.17 | Guerin | stew: yeah. |
| 08:05.48 | Nyle | well, mplayer can play those in linux but there is either no soudn or its very choppy |
| 08:06.02 | Nyle | and some wmv files only have audio and no video in linux |
| 08:06.12 | Guerin | Nyle: it's all about your config. Hint: don't use software scaling. |
| 08:06.24 | Nyle | what is software scaling |
| 08:06.28 | Guerin | Nyle: this is why I like to play video on a console |
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| 08:06.47 | Nyle | the games I like to play arn't on consoles |
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| 08:07.22 | Nyle | well morrowind is but i can't play off the shelf morrowind, i gotta have the expansions and the mods and plugins |
| 08:07.27 | Guerin | Nyle: the video is, say, 640x480 pixels. You want to play it on a 1280x960 screen, you have to scale it up. |
| 08:07.48 | Guerin | Nyle: this is done in software, by mplayer, using your cpu as muscle - and most cpus don't have that muscle. |
| 08:07.56 | Asulao | hello. problem with vsftpd. need to disable outgoing tcp connections to clients (or use a specific tcp local port). can't seem to make it work. |
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| 08:08.13 | Guerin | Nyle: the solution is to run videos in their native resoolution, and change your display resolution down to fit them |
| 08:08.29 | stew | Guerin: this is why i have a dedicated monitor running 852x480 :) |
| 08:08.40 | Nyle | how come xp doesn't have a problem with it |
| 08:08.41 | Guerin | Nyle: no, I mean a shell console, not an xbox or a ps2 |
| 08:08.48 | Guerin | Nyle: drivers, mostly. |
| 08:08.53 | m0ss | will anyone answer my friggin question? |
| 08:08.54 | Nyle | i see |
| 08:09.22 | Guerin | stew: yeah, that's a goodish size. |
| 08:09.29 | xoz | Nyle: codecs |
| 08:09.37 | sussudio | m0ss: no. |
| 08:09.40 | Guerin | stew: what's the modeline for that? custom? |
| 08:09.41 | m0ss | thanks |
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| 08:10.06 | Guerin | xoz: except we use the same codecs, right? |
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| 08:10.26 | Nyle | do you think diablo 2 is playable under linux? |
| 08:10.32 | stew | Guerin: yeah. i have one card that will do 852x480 and another that will only do mulitples of 8 so 848x480 |
| 08:10.51 | Guerin | stew: funky |
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| 08:13.06 | simonrvn | meh |
| 08:13.10 | xoz | Guerin: yep... some codecs however are specific for windows although they use similar extension. |
| 08:14.19 | Guerin | interesting |
| 08:14.23 | Guerin | and not protable, I presume |
| 08:14.27 | Guerin | porable |
| 08:14.31 | Nyle | why does my hp psc 2410 printer not show up under firefox |
| 08:14.32 | stew | prot this |
| 08:14.42 | Guerin | p0r+4bl3 |
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| 08:14.47 | stew | w3rd |
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| 08:15.10 | xoz | Nyle: configure printing in linux is a pain in the *arse* |
| 08:15.13 | Guerin | Nyle: have you installed a print system and gotten your printer working in that yet? |
| 08:15.18 | Guerin | yeah, printing is evil |
| 08:15.34 | Guerin | I'm currently avoiding IM conversations with my mother, who wants help with her printer... |
| 08:15.50 | stew | printing is so 20th century |
| 08:15.50 | Nyle | i can print from other apps |
| 08:15.56 | Nyle | and from qonqurer |
| 08:15.57 | Guerin | especially since I don't own a printer, and therefore I know nothing about it |
| 08:16.02 | Asulao | m0ss: look at /etc/inittab |
| 08:16.23 | sussudio | ... |
| 08:16.38 | Nyle | Guerin, u kicked in her stomach for a few months, help her man |
| 08:16.38 | Asulao | :D |
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| 08:16.49 | Guerin | Nyle: don't fucking u me |
| 08:17.01 | Nyle | huh |
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| 08:17.05 | Guerin | Nyle: and I do help her, 'twas I who installed debian for her itfp |
| 08:17.07 | pmjdebruijn | lo |
| 08:17.26 | pmjdebruijn | is there anywhere where i can find the debian 2.6.6 kernel ? |
| 08:17.36 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 08:17.36 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewthere in 2002 is here. |
| 08:17.37 | stew | pmjdebruijn: kernel.org |
| 08:17.49 | pmjdebruijn | stew, i mean the patches which debian applies... |
| 08:17.57 | stew | philips: what dpkg said |
| 08:18.04 | stew | pmjdebruijn: |
| 08:18.06 | stew | ugh |
| 08:18.14 | Guerin | !lose stew |
| 08:18.15 | dpkg | stew: You Lose. |
| 08:18.18 | m0ss | can someone explain why when i reboot that x win brings up a graphical login prompt instead of the black and white text? |
| 08:18.24 | stew | dang |
| 08:18.34 | Guerin | m0ss: you installed a display manager |
| 08:18.41 | m0ss | hmm |
| 08:18.41 | stew | m0ss: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 08:18.45 | sussudio | Guerin: /lastlog the bastard |
| 08:18.47 | pmjdebruijn | it's not on packages.debian.org anymore.. |
| 08:18.54 | Guerin | sussudio: I know |
| 08:19.04 | Nyle | m0ss, open up a root console and type /sbin/init 3 and then type apt-get remove xdm kdm gdm |
| 08:19.05 | Guerin | pmjdebruijn: are you having difficulty reading this? |
| 08:19.16 | Nyle | then you will be fine |
| 08:19.21 | xoz | m0ss: login and kill xdm or kdm or gdm. |
| 08:19.24 | pmjdebruijn | Guerin, no? why? |
| 08:19.50 | xoz | m0ss: perhaps it started a display manager for login |
| 08:19.53 | Guerin | pmjdebruijn: because you obviously had trouble reading the bit where dpkg told you the answer about 20 lines ago |
| 08:19.55 | stew | Nyle: why the init 3? |
| 08:20.05 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 08:20.08 | stew | k |
| 08:20.11 | Nyle | thats what i website said |
| 08:20.13 | Nyle | and it worked |
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| 08:20.16 | stew | uh huh |
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| 08:20.27 | xoz | Nyle: debian is using init 2. |
| 08:20.28 | Guerin | Nyle: that's a sledgehammer approach |
| 08:20.30 | pmjdebruijn | Guerin, right... sorry... didn't know what sdn ment... didn't read the rest... :s |
| 08:20.38 | stew | it was on the intarnet |
| 08:20.43 | Guerin | just dropping to a text console is a much cleaner and simpler way |
| 08:20.47 | Nyle | dude in a new with linux |
| 08:20.50 | pmjdebruijn | thanks! |
| 08:20.59 | Guerin | stew: thar4 it must b teh tru |
| 08:21.04 | stew | w3rd |
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| 08:21.45 | Guerin | Nyle: well, for future reference: don't fuck with init unless you know what you're doing. TO get a console outside X, use ctrl+alt+f[16] |
| 08:21.51 | Guerin | err |
| 08:21.53 | Guerin | [123456] |
| 08:22.41 | Guerin | grrr, I'm looking for two asian action movies, and I can't find them |
| 08:22.52 | Guerin | time and tide, and bangkok dangerous |
| 08:22.53 | sussudio | hm... belgians = stupid. students = stupid. hazing = stupid. belgian students hazing = darwin awards. |
| 08:22.55 | stew | pr0n? |
| 08:23.01 | flanker | stew: if dynamic routingw as used you could spcify a metric I believe... |
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| 08:23.11 | Guerin | nope, 4kshun |
| 08:23.14 | stew | flanker: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:23.22 | flanker | anyone not relevant for me.. I'm static.. |
| 08:23.50 | flanker | stew: I'm just looking at the handy work of someone else.. in their scrip they specify a default gateway and give it a metric of 1 |
| 08:24.04 | Nyle | what I don't get is that you say don't ask questions unles syou've looked it up yourself, when I do look it up and it seems to work for me, sometime later I tell soemone about it here so that it may help them and i'm chewed out. man what is going on |
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| 08:25.07 | Guerin | Nyle: there are many ways to do things. Some ways are better than others. |
| 08:25.10 | cyberyo | io ! |
| 08:25.32 | Nyle | that I can understand |
| 08:25.44 | Guerin | Nyle: learning this OS is all about learning the proper ways to do things, and most sspecifically, the principles which make these ways proper and other ways improper |
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| 08:26.10 | Guerin | principles like "minimal force" and "the right too for the right job" |
| 08:26.15 | xblade | hi there |
| 08:26.15 | Guerin | s/too/tool/ |
| 08:26.30 | Nyle | or u can jsut say tool* |
| 08:26.31 | xblade | I have a question about DI-624 dlink router |
| 08:26.32 | Nyle | :) |
| 08:26.39 | yancy | how can I start the telnetd managed by xinetd? I do have a correct config file of telnet in /etc/xinetd.d/telnet with option 'desable=no', but when I do a /etc/init.d/xinetd restart, I can't telnet to my host either. :( |
| 08:26.43 | Nyle | i hate extra typing, im very lazy |
| 08:26.44 | xblade | anybody familiar with it ??? |
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| 08:26.52 | m0ss | so how do i not have a stupid login screen while also having xdm installed? |
| 08:27.01 | Guerin | yancy: why are you telnetting? |
| 08:27.08 | yancy | localhost |
| 08:27.11 | xblade | I would like to know if it is possible to access the local area network through a router |
| 08:27.18 | Guerin | m0ss: use sysvconfig to stop it from starting |
| 08:27.19 | Nyle | yes it is |
| 08:27.30 | Guerin | xblade: anything's possible |
| 08:27.36 | stew | yancy: whats the point of telnetting to localhost? |
| 08:27.38 | Nyle | I do it at my house all the time, i have a buffalo airstation 54G |
| 08:27.42 | jharrison | ive had wwwaaaayyy too much guinness |
| 08:27.51 | Guerin | jharrison: good man! |
| 08:27.53 | xblade | let's say there is 2 places, can 2 places become a big LAN by connecting through a router ??? |
| 08:27.54 | Nyle | I conenct two laptops and 3 desktops with it |
| 08:28.00 | yancy | just for testing |
| 08:28.11 | xblade | they r different network connections |
| 08:28.12 | jharrison | Guerin: i barely was able to drive home |
| 08:28.19 | eye69 | xblade: Yep. |
| 08:28.25 | thoreauputic | m0ss: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 08:28.25 | eye69 | xblade: That would be called a WAN. |
| 08:28.31 | Guerin | jharrison: wtf, you can't have had that much if you're still allowed to drive |
| 08:28.33 | xblade | how do I set it ??? |
| 08:28.36 | m0ss | already did that thor |
| 08:28.39 | eye69 | xblade: Setup a VPN. |
| 08:28.40 | thoreauputic | ok |
| 08:28.43 | Guerin | jharrison: either that, or you're completely fucking insane |
| 08:28.47 | jharrison | Guerin: allowed? |
| 08:29.01 | jharrison | insane is more like it |
| 08:29.06 | xblade | but VPN is only accesible to 1 pc and from the pc to other pcs |
| 08:29.07 | Guerin | fucking islanders |
| 08:29.09 | stew | yancy: man xinetd.conf then |
| 08:29.12 | jharrison | heh |
| 08:29.12 | Nyle | what is a transcoded font |
| 08:29.13 | yancy | ps, when I do /etc/initd/inetd.real start , I can telnet my localhost successfully |
| 08:29.13 | optic | can anyone recommend mailing list management and web archiving apps? |
| 08:29.16 | gordonjcp | jharrison: arsehole |
| 08:29.30 | Guerin | xblade: but if you can get a shell on that pc, you can do anything |
| 08:29.37 | xblade | how about connecting directly to the router and accessing the LAN just like regular home lan |
| 08:29.43 | Guerin | jharrison: it's not fucking funny, sunshine. |
| 08:29.50 | jharrison | if i was not good to drive i would not have driven |
| 08:29.58 | yancy | I maned xined.conf , and I found nothing wrong in my configure file :( |
| 08:29.58 | xoz | optic: mailman |
| 08:30.03 | stew | 04:28 < jharrison> Guerin: i barely was able to drive home |
| 08:30.04 | gordonjcp | shouldn't drink and drive, shithead |
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| 08:30.24 | eye69 | xblade: A VPN will be able to tunnel between the LAN's, securely. |
| 08:30.36 | jharrison | maybe i over did it then |
| 08:30.45 | optic | xoz: is that based on experience? |
| 08:30.52 | eye69 | xblade: 10:29:08 < xblade> but VPN is only accesible to 1 pc and from the pc to other pcs |
| 08:30.53 | xblade | cool |
| 08:30.55 | eye69 | xblade: That's bullshit. |
| 08:31.17 | xblade | hehehe |
| 08:31.37 | Asulao | hello. problem with vsftpd. need to disable outgoing tcp connections to clients (or use a specific tcp local port). can't seem to make it work. |
| 08:31.40 | xblade | many apologies for stupid mistakes |
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| 08:32.03 | xblade | thanx guys, will be back for headache questions |
| 08:32.06 | xoz | optic: for experience, we've been using fml |
| 08:32.14 | stew | yancy: have you restarted xinetd since you restarted? are you watching the logs? |
| 08:33.15 | jharrison | i think you guys took me too seriously |
| 08:33.38 | flexmaster | Hi, I have a font problem : How can I change font-gtk under KDE (I dont find .gtkrc file in my home) ? |
| 08:34.35 | xoz | flexmaster: use gnome-control |
| 08:35.04 | xoz | flexmaster: use gnome-control-center |
| 08:35.19 | optic | xoz: do you know if mailman's html archives are threaded or flat, vs. those of hypermail? |
| 08:35.19 | Guerin | flexmaster: copy /etc/gtk/gtkrc.$YOUR_CHARSET to ~/ and edit the default font listed there |
| 08:35.29 | flexmaster | xoz: I use Kde , I can use Gnome Contro Center inside KDE ? |
| 08:35.34 | gordonjcp | jharrison: just be glad you don't live in Scotland |
| 08:35.44 | yancy | stew : yes, I restarted xined several times, why inetd works well but xinet d con't work in debian? where does the xined place its log? |
| 08:35.48 | Guerin | flexmaster: I mean, copy it to ~/.gtkrc |
| 08:36.13 | thoreauputic | flexmaster: yes you can - but Guerin's suggestion sounds better |
| 08:36.14 | xoz | optic: it supports both |
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| 08:36.32 | jharrison | gordonjcp: why is that? |
| 08:36.34 | xoz | flexmaster: of course |
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| 08:37.04 | flexmaster | Thanks , Now I try |
| 08:37.15 | gordonjcp | jharrison: we take a fairly unsympathetic view to drunk drivers |
| 08:37.28 | jharrison | gordonjcp: im not drunk |
| 08:37.30 | gordonjcp | a guy ran up my arse last year, pissed as a fart |
| 08:37.38 | gordonjcp | so I shot im in the testicles |
| 08:37.47 | xoz | jharrison: if you're in japan, you gonna pay $3000 for drunk-driving. |
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| 08:37.59 | jharrison | oh my gosh |
| 08:38.07 | Guerin | gordonjcp: with what? |
| 08:38.08 | gordonjcp | sobered him up nicely... |
| 08:38.10 | gordonjcp | 12-bore |
| 08:38.20 | jharrison | do you people call 6 guinness since 10pm drunk? |
| 08:38.21 | Guerin | yeah, and in japan drunk driving = 1 drink |
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| 08:38.30 | xoz | jharrison: it's equivalent to an intent to kill somebody. |
| 08:38.30 | Guerin | jharrison: what time is it now? |
| 08:38.35 | gordonjcp | jharrison: what's your local time? |
| 08:38.40 | jharrison | 430 am |
| 08:38.46 | gordonjcp | yeah definitely |
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| 08:38.56 | Guerin | one an hour is a bit over in most places |
| 08:39.00 | xoz | Guerin: no more, even 2% alcohol is considered drunk and all the passengers will also pay by allowing the driver. |
| 08:39.14 | stew | Guerin: not in the bahamas where he is |
| 08:39.17 | Guerin | xoz: oh yeah, that's what I mean - zero drinks is ok |
| 08:39.25 | stew | xoz: 2%? .4% is coma level |
| 08:39.33 | sopolivata | how can i change on all dir chmod to be 755 and on all files in and other dirs and files in other dirs :) |
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| 08:39.38 | sopolivata | sorry for my bad english |
| 08:39.57 | xoz | stew: yep... but road accidents here are high... second to suicide which is 98 person a day :) |
| 08:40.06 | jharrison | you guys are freaking out just a bit |
| 08:40.51 | simonrvn | sopolivata: find, xargs, and chmod |
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| 08:41.14 | pingouiin | what xoz ?! |
| 08:41.41 | simonrvn | anyay, later |
| 08:41.41 | pingouiin | 98 people killing themselves by day ? |
| 08:41.41 | Guerin | jharrison: no, we aren't. |
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| 08:41.48 | jharrison | Guerin: if you say so |
| 08:41.56 | yancy | sopolivata: you mean do a 'chmod -R 755 dirs' ? |
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| 08:42.14 | stew | good rule of thumb would be that the guinesses are .03%+ to bac per and your liver can purge .02% per hour and so 6 beers in 6 hours puts him at .06 which is legal most places and not others |
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| 08:42.45 | xoz | pingouiin: suicide is still popular here. there are lots of website offering people to commit suicide together because it's lonely to commit alone. life is simple here, if you can't live with the pressure, just commit suicide. end of story :) |
| 08:43.08 | pingouiin | xoz, where do you live ? |
| 08:43.10 | MarkS | hey all... is D-I currently known to behave erratically? |
| 08:43.19 | xoz | pingouiin: near tokyo |
| 08:43.28 | Guerin | MarkS: #debian-boot |
| 08:43.31 | pingouiin | xoz, ok.... |
| 08:44.09 | xoz | pingouiin: police wants to shotdown those websites but they cant... they have *democracy* here |
| 08:44.09 | sopolivata | yancy and all files and dirs and files in the dirs will be changed ? |
| 08:44.14 | rares001 | How do i get nautilus to put Capitals before lowercase in file managers and on the desktop? |
| 08:44.30 | yancy | sopolivata: yes |
| 08:44.36 | MarkS | I asked there the other day and they said that it was stable to their knowledge, I'm wondering if any users have experiences, or heard of experiences where D-I causes erratic behavior? |
| 08:44.57 | rares001 | d-i works fine |
| 08:45.04 | MarkS | no problems ever? |
| 08:45.13 | rares001 | nope |
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| 08:45.34 | Guerin | MarkS: I've used itfour times with perfect or near-perfect results every time. |
| 08:46.05 | stew | MarkS: unless you are using "quite exotic" hardware then d-i is very stable |
| 08:46.06 | yancy | how can I check my xinetd work status? |
| 08:46.20 | dhemitimutz | haloo |
| 08:46.21 | MarkS | interesting.... well then, the next step in my logic would be, has ftp.debian.org, or ftp.us.debian.org been having problems lately? |
| 08:46.25 | dhemitimutz | haii |
| 08:46.33 | rares001 | !locales |
| 08:46.33 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course. |
| 08:46.45 | Asulao | For some reason, new WinXP SP2 explorer ftp functionality doesn't work well with vsftpd, anybody seen this? |
| 08:46.51 | Guerin | MarkS: both those are dns round-robins, so that would require several separate servers all being fucked at once. |
| 08:46.56 | xoz | !info localepurge |
| 08:47.01 | Guerin | Asulao: hahaha |
| 08:47.02 | dpkg | localepurge: (Automagically removing unnecessary locale data), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.72 (sid), Packaged size: 29 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
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| 08:47.16 | MarkS | Guerin - that was exactly what I was thinking... hence why I'm so confused with what I've been witnessing |
| 08:47.33 | MarkS | ok, I'll take this over to debian-boot again, and possibly submit a bug report |
| 08:47.36 | Guerin | Asulao: tell people to use a real ftp client. filezilla is a good one for windows. |
| 08:47.42 | stew | MarkS: i have had no problems with ftp.debian.org recently |
| 08:47.45 | Guerin | MarkS: yeah, talk it over with them. |
| 08:48.05 | MarkS | ok, thanks for answering my questions guys.. have a good night/morning |
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| 08:48.49 | Asulao | Guerin: sure, but anyway it's a problem. vsftpd doesn't seem to use config params I set when clients use winxp explorer (just with SP2) |
| 08:49.16 | Asulao | (port params) |
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| 08:50.49 | Guerin | Asulao: that would be a problem with windows. |
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| 08:51.06 | Asulao | mmm... maybe, or maybe not. |
| 08:51.19 | sopolivata | yancy and when i make new dir the permesions will be 755 again ? |
| 08:51.30 | sopolivata | in the dir that i give this permesions |
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| 08:52.27 | yancy | sopolivata: no , if you want all users can create files and dirs in this dir with the permission 755, you shoud use ACL. |
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| 08:53.18 | sopolivata | what is ACL some software who i must download |
| 08:53.18 | sopolivata | ? |
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| 08:53.44 | afra | now I use debian unstable at home; for work debian stable. but for my own server (which will mainly be running postgres/apache), I want to go debian stable but I think some packages my be too old (like gcc, as I compile stuff from source such as apache). I heard I could go testing but security patches aren't released for testing. What are my options? Just stable then? |
| 08:54.25 | aveng0 | afra: check backports.org |
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| 08:54.43 | cy_ | mooooo |
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| 08:54.46 | cy_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:54.47 | cy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.47 | cy_ | E: Broken packages |
| 08:54.51 | cy_ | anyone had a similar problem ? |
| 08:54.52 | cy_ | :p |
| 08:54.53 | afra | aveng0, thank you. using testing is not wise then? |
| 08:55.03 | yancy | acl means access control list, google for acl , your filesystem shoud support( it's not a problem, ext3 and most modern filesystem have supported it ) acl. you mail also have to install a tool named acl or aclutils to set or get acl options on files. |
| 08:55.13 | Guerin | cy_: yeah. /msg dpkg java |
| 08:55.24 | cy_ | k |
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| 08:55.29 | aveng0 | afra: stable is fine... if you really need new features you can compile your own deb for stable... for certain packages |
| 08:55.30 | sopolivata | yancy my computer is with ext3 |
| 08:55.34 | sopolivata | tell me what i must do |
| 08:55.35 | sopolivata | :) |
| 08:55.50 | aveng0 | afra: you also get security updates quite rapidly. |
| 08:56.08 | afra | aveng0, I notice gcc is not on backports.org |
| 08:56.11 | opqdonut | sopolivata: you need to hav acl enabled in your kernel |
| 08:56.14 | Guerin | and stable has huge aamounts of backports |
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| 08:56.25 | sopolivata | i think its enable |
| 08:56.28 | Guerin | afra: obviously. |
| 08:56.30 | sopolivata | how can i chk |
| 08:56.30 | sopolivata | ? |
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| 08:56.46 | bustacap | hey all |
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| 08:57.13 | yancy | sopolivata: remount your filesystem with the option 'acl', you can modify your /etc/fstab, add ',acl' fter 'defaults' |
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| 08:57.13 | opqdonut | sopolivata: see the file /boot/config-<your-kernel-version> |
| 08:57.13 | bustacap | I cannot get sound in flash movies on the net |
| 08:57.13 | xoz | afra: because if it's there, you are looking for a major upgrade. |
| 08:57.13 | bustacap | I am using esd |
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| 08:57.21 | bustacap | and mozilla |
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| 08:57.59 | sopolivata | yancy if is not enable how can i enable this ? |
| 08:57.59 | afra | gcc 3.0.4 should be okay though right? I mean unstable has 3.3.5... |
| 08:58.09 | yancy | sopolivata: then, install the acltool , execute setfacl -m d:u::755,g::755,o::755 dirs |
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| 08:58.46 | yancy | sopolivata: not enable? Do you mean you have no permission to do this? |
| 08:59.54 | MyNameIsChris | Does Sarge exists? Because I can't find it in stores or Ebay. |
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| 09:00.30 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: just download it and install it. |
| 09:00.30 | Guerin | MyNameIsChris: hasn't been released yet, so no. |
| 09:00.48 | afra | the debian-installer is not available for the stable branch yes, correct/ |
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| 09:01.01 | MyNameIsChris | My internet speed is too slow to download it, and damn |
| 09:01.12 | MyNameIsChris | Everyone keeps telling me to buy Sarge |
| 09:01.13 | dobby_ | hello in which file can i change my apache version? |
| 09:01.35 | dondelelcaro | dobby_: ? |
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| 09:01.49 | Guerin | dobby_: change the version which apache reports to clients, you mean? |
| 09:01.51 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: there are cd vendors listed on debian.org/CD |
| 09:02.02 | MyNameIsChris | I'll check it out |
| 09:02.06 | MyNameIsChris | Thanks |
| 09:02.19 | dobby_ | Guerin: yes thats what i want! |
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| 09:02.36 | kr | how should i install python2.2 in woody? mine only came with python2.1. i'd prefer 2.3 though but 2.2 would be good enough. can i just download/compile the source manually? |
| 09:02.48 | Guerin | dobby_: httpd.conf, most likely. read the apache doc and/or ask in #apache |
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| 09:03.44 | dobby_ | Guerin: hmm i did not find the version number in httpd.conf thats my problem |
| 09:03.46 | dondelelcaro | kr: get a backport of 2.3 from unstable. Check apt-get.org FE |
| 09:04.08 | dondelelcaro | dobby_: you'll have to add a line to set it into httpd.conf. There's no setting in there by default. |
| 09:04.14 | kr | i forget how to turn backports on |
| 09:04.31 | eye69 | kr: backports.org |
| 09:04.34 | dobby_ | dondelelcaro: ah ok thanks |
| 09:04.40 | MyNameIsChris | Found it, but $40? |
| 09:04.57 | dondelelcaro | MyNameIsChris: you can probably find them for cheaper. |
| 09:05.00 | kr | whats wrong with compilin the python source myself? |
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| 09:05.15 | MyNameIsChris | I'll just keep trying to fix my Woody problems |
| 09:05.28 | xoz | kr: if you got enough brains to do it, proceed. |
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| 09:06.01 | Jepko | hi there |
| 09:06.29 | yancy | How can find who is a debian package's maintener ? Can I do a 'dpkg -?? packagename' to get the maintener's information? |
| 09:06.41 | dondelelcaro | kr: the issue with compiling it yourself is that it's more difficult to remove later... but do whatever you want. |
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| 09:06.48 | dondelelcaro | yancy: apt-cache show package; |
| 09:07.07 | Jepko | is it normal my /lib/modules/2.6.9-rc4/kernel/fs doesn't exist ?, because I have codepage probleme => ( Unable to load NLS charset cp850) when I try to mount a FAT partition... |
| 09:07.09 | dondelelcaro | yancy: or, /msg dpkg maint packagename |
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| 09:07.14 | yancy | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 09:07.36 | xoz | Jepko: you forgot to compile it as module. |
| 09:07.40 | dondelelcaro | Jepko: you didn't build that codepage. The warning shouldn't matter much, though. |
| 09:07.52 | Jepko | xoz, which one is it ? |
| 09:08.14 | Jepko | CONFIG_FAT_FS ? |
| 09:08.27 | xoz | Jepko: somewhere in the filesystem |
| 09:08.42 | MyNameIsChris | I found one for $30, what kernel does Sarge ship with? |
| 09:08.49 | dondelelcaro | Jepko: it's actually under the codepage section. |
| 09:08.52 | Jepko | xoz: yeah, I didn't find it, it's my third kernel of the same version :) |
| 09:09.26 | dondelelcaro | Jepko: CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850 et al. |
| 09:09.42 | xoz | Jepko: near the last part of the main menu of config |
| 09:09.47 | kr | i cant find python2.3 on apt-get.org |
| 09:09.56 | dondelelcaro | Jepko: but that won't stop you from mounting the FS, it'll just complain about it. |
| 09:10.08 | xoz | Jepko: native language support |
| 09:10.20 | Jepko | FILEsystem - DOS / fat /nt filesystem - |
| 09:10.24 | sushi | i did nmap localhost and i got port 445 microsoft-ds open... which service is responsible ? |
| 09:10.34 | Jepko | default codepage for FAT -> 850 |
| 09:10.55 | Jepko | default iocharset for fat -> iso8859-1 |
| 09:11.06 | dondelelcaro | Jepko: actually, the default for FAT is 437 |
| 09:11.08 | Jepko | MSDOS fs support -> * |
| 09:11.16 | xoz | Jepko: and there are specific codepage in the Native language support section. default is cp437 |
| 09:11.33 | dondelelcaro | sushi: netstat -plunt and see what is on 445 |
| 09:11.35 | Jepko | dondelelcaro: yes, but it was not working either with 437, that's why I used 850 |
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| 09:11.47 | Guerin | MyNameIsChris: you're willing to pay money for a snapshot of an unreleased OS? |
| 09:12.00 | sushi | dondelelcaro, thx |
| 09:12.01 | dondelelcaro | Jepko: don't randomly pick codepages. Just build whatever ones you need. |
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| 09:12.06 | MyNameIsChris | Apparently it'll fix all my problems everyone keeps teling me |
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| 09:12.09 | Jepko | is it better to compile MSDOS fs support and VFAT fs support as module, or in hard in the kernel ? |
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| 09:12.33 | xoz | Jepko: not much different. you don't use it for booting. |
| 09:12.33 | dondelelcaro | Jepko: it doesn't really matter. |
| 09:12.33 | Jepko | dondelelcaro: I guess I need 850, as a french |
| 09:12.46 | dondelelcaro | Jepko: then build it and load it. |
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| 09:13.06 | kr | can someone help me find a python2.2 or 2.3 backport for woody please |
| 09:13.08 | xoz | Jepko: compile them as modules so that you can try which one is for you |
| 09:13.15 | Jepko | dondelelcaro: it does, because when I try to mount a fat partition ( usb key), I get thie answer => Unable to load NLS charset cp437 |
| 09:13.23 | Guerin | kr: if it's not on apt-get.org, then you're SOL |
| 09:13.33 | Guerin | !tell kr about simple sid backport |
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| 09:13.59 | kr | i have woody though |
| 09:14.06 | xoz | Jepko: you didn't compile that as a module... better enable all so that you'll have options later. |
| 09:14.26 | Guerin | kr: read it. |
| 09:14.32 | sussudio | kr: pig? |
| 09:14.41 | kr | pig? |
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| 09:15.05 | dondelelcaro | kr: I looked on apt-get.org for a few seconds and found python2.2... |
| 09:15.09 | Jepko | xoz: ok, I will recompile them as a module, and see.. |
| 09:15.16 | Jepko | thx gentlemen :) |
| 09:15.20 | Jepko | or misses :) |
| 09:15.43 | kr | don_inlab the filenaems it gives are too obscure |
| 09:15.46 | Guerin | the feminine form of gentlemen is "ladies", fyi |
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| 09:15.53 | kr | like python2.2-dev-bla393939393939 |
| 09:16.17 | dondelelcaro | kr: python2.2 2.2.1-4.2.1 (i386) isn't terribly obscure. |
| 09:16.22 | Guerin | ah, python 2.2? |
| 09:16.34 | kr | i dont see that |
| 09:16.35 | Guerin | backports for that definitely exist |
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| 09:16.50 | boukensya | hey guys.. is there a mac emulator for linux? |
| 09:16.52 | dondelelcaro | fabbione has them. |
| 09:16.52 | Xerakko | I have a problem packaging a library, when I do debuild -rfakeroot it make .deb file without the library. The debian/tmp have the library. Whats happen? |
| 09:16.55 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: pearpc |
| 09:16.55 | boukensya | I have a mac game I wanna play |
| 09:17.05 | kr | ok now i do |
| 09:17.09 | MyNameIsChris | I know I ask this daily but I will ask again seen as though purchasing Sarge is apparently stupid. After installing 2.6.7 my system boots the new kernel, says it starts kdm like usual, but stays at tty1 and I cannot switch to tty7. Is it possible I left something vital out of my kernel? If so, does anyone know what? |
| 09:17.17 | boukensya | would I be able to run the cd via pearpc? |
| 09:17.47 | Guerin | MyNameIsChris: why are you using a homemade kernel? |
| 09:17.55 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: well, first you'd actually have to have macos. But pearpc is the emulator. |
| 09:18.15 | MyNameIsChris | I had to upgrade to 2.6.7 so my sound adapter would be supported |
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| 09:19.22 | boukensya | dondelecaro: so I cant read a mac cd without macos? |
| 09:19.23 | Guerin | MyNameIsChris: you're using woody, right? |
| 09:19.25 | Xerakko | I had this problem when I don't get radeon module in the kernel (I have an ati radeon) |
| 09:19.26 | MyNameIsChris | Yes |
| 09:19.35 | kr | dondelelcaro what do i put in my sources.list? deb http://backports.org/debian stable python2.2 2.2.1-4.2.1 (i386) or the url of the apt-get.org's search results |
| 09:19.40 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: you can read it, but you won't be able to run it. |
| 09:19.47 | dondelelcaro | kr: the apt-get.org search result. |
| 09:19.59 | boukensya | doesn't pearpc emulate it so I can run it? |
| 09:20.30 | kr | deb http://debian.fabbione.net/debian-ipv6 woody ipv6 python2.2 2.2.1-4.2.1 (i386)? |
| 09:20.37 | kr | and for deb-src |
| 09:20.48 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: yes, but if you don't have macos, you won't be able to run it. |
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| 09:21.05 | dsl_ | deutsch |
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| 09:21.52 | MyNameIsChris | Guerin: Do you have an idea? |
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| 09:22.10 | man_in_shack | has anyone here installed xorg? |
| 09:22.17 | dondelelcaro | !anyone |
| 09:22.17 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 09:22.21 | Guerin | !get xorg |
| 09:22.21 | dpkg | i guess get xorg is see http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. If you whine about your xorg problems in #debian, we will show no mercy. |
| 09:22.29 | boukensya | ohh I see how do I get macos? hehe |
| 09:22.31 | Guerin | !bunk |
| 09:22.31 | dpkg | methinks bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html |
| 09:22.36 | Guerin | MyNameIsChris: ^^ |
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| 09:22.56 | dondelelcaro | boukensya: uh, you buy it? or you get the 7.X versions from your local apple mirror. |
| 09:23.03 | MyNameIsChris | Cheers |
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| 09:23.25 | boukensya | so 7x is free? cool |
| 09:23.39 | dondelelcaro | dunno if it's free, but it is available. |
| 09:23.43 | Selecter | HELP: xmms won't start. error message: Gdk-ERROR **: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 09:23.43 | Selecter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:24.50 | MyNameIsChris | Too much trouble, I don't need sound or internet that badly. Thanks anyway |
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| 09:25.25 | dondelelcaro | Selecter: what version of xmms is that? |
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| 09:25.59 | xbiker | anyone can get me some advice in recofiguring grub? |
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| 09:26.18 | Selecter | don_inlab, 1.2.10 |
| 09:26.40 | dondelelcaro | Selecter: -1 I presume? what version of libgdk are you running? |
| 09:26.44 | Xerakko | what's the problem sbiker |
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| 09:27.09 | man_in_shack | does anyone know how soon debian will have a xorg package? |
| 09:27.16 | dondelelcaro | !xorg |
| 09:27.16 | dpkg | xorg is probably an alternative X implementation (a fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from the X.Org Foundation - the current release is X11R6.8. It will not be packaged for Debian until after the Sarge release. At that time, Debian will probably go with the new modular packages of X.org, if it is ready, or the monolithic release if not. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040712.051027.74293658.html for more information . |
| 09:27.26 | man_in_shack | ah ok |
| 09:27.28 | man_in_shack | thanks |
| 09:27.56 | xbiker | i have an installed knoppix in hd but the params of grub are get with locales in german and some other issues i want to modify (kernel 2.6 by default, not selecting every time) |
| 09:28.02 | man_in_shack | sarge is only a few months away from official reliece? |
| 09:28.03 | Selecter | don_inlab, how do I know that in debian? |
| 09:28.05 | man_in_shack | *release |
| 09:28.28 | thoreauputic | !rsn |
| 09:28.28 | dpkg | [rsn] Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 09:28.36 | Selecter | man_in_shack, maybe in a month or half of it |
| 09:28.42 | man_in_shack | Selecter, cool thanks |
| 09:28.45 | dondelelcaro | spektr: dpkg -l libgtk1.2 in this case |
| 09:28.51 | dondelelcaro | s/spektr/Selecter/ |
| 09:29.16 | man_in_shack | i think i'll just wait for the xorg packages then |
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| 09:29.25 | Xerakko | you must to modify /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
| 09:29.45 | Xerakko | and then execute grub-install |
| 09:29.50 | Selecter | sorry :) |
| 09:29.55 | xbiker | this file is not in my filesystem |
| 09:29.56 | Selecter | dondelelcaro, libgtk1.2 1.2.10-17 The GIMP Toolkit set of widgets for X |
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| 09:31.26 | Selecter | dondelelcaro, they say it is some sort of font problem |
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| 09:31.45 | berzerka | hello evryone |
| 09:31.59 | Xerakko | try a locate menu.lst |
| 09:32.25 | Xerakko | I use debian, no knoppix :( |
| 09:32.51 | xbiker | i have one in examples directory |
| 09:34.02 | yancy | Does anyones know how to build a self-contained self-hosting glibc? |
| 09:34.23 | Guerin | yancy: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 09:34.35 | Selecter | dondelelcaro, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=261254 |
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| 09:34.42 | thoreauputic | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.48 | thoreauputic | haha |
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| 09:34.58 | thoreauputic | ok I got it anyway |
| 09:35.07 | yancy | <yancy> iyhtays |
| 09:35.08 | yancy | <dpkg> If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 09:35.16 | yancy | ?? |
| 09:35.30 | Guerin | yancy: what's not to understand |
| 09:35.35 | Guerin | ? |
| 09:35.51 | Guerin | thoreauputic: :) |
| 09:36.13 | yancy | so ... how can I build a pure glibc? |
| 09:36.37 | thoreauputic | Guerin: the dreaded leading space problem ... ;) |
| 09:36.39 | xbiker | xerakko thanks anyway i still looking for this file |
| 09:37.12 | Xerakko | I'm sorry |
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| 09:39.36 | yancy | Guerin: did it mean I shoudn't ask such question? why? |
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| 09:40.25 | Guerin | yancy: it means that if you have to ask how to do it, you shouldn't do it. |
| 09:41.43 | yancy | It means I "shoudn't" rebuild my own glibc? |
| 09:42.06 | Guerin | yancy: not unless you know what you're doing, which you patently don't. |
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| 09:43.16 | zakame | hi all! just got ion2 to bfs in woody, xcompmgr looks nice... |
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| 09:45.50 | yancy | Guerin: I think it means I couldn't get more knowledge ... what a pity! :( |
| 09:46.31 | Guerin | yancy: it doesn't mean that at all. It means you shouldn't attempt it until you're properly qualified. Part of being properly qualified is being able to do your own research, so... get to it. |
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| 09:47.25 | Guerin | yancy: if you're reliant on answers in an irc channel for your information, you're certainly not capable of it. |
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| 09:49.53 | yancy | Guerin: Thanks for your help. I do some reseach, but failed. can you tell me is there a tool to check the glibc is pure enough or not ? |
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| 09:50.27 | berzerka | im using debian sarge, and i have the feeling that a lot of info files are missing on my system.. the info for gcc is not available for example (and i guess there 'is' an info file for gcc, isn't it?), info gcc shows me its man page, and in emacs info-mode it's not available at all.. could i be missing an important doc-package, what ould be other causes, oris that behaviour correct ? |
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| 09:51.08 | nevyn | berzerka: the gcc docs are not in main. |
| 09:51.11 | Guerin | berzerka: some packages have a separate -doc package - grub-doc, for example, contains the documentation for grub |
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| 09:52.18 | matty_ | can someone tell me what woody cd's i need for a normal install with kde ? |
| 09:52.53 | berzerka | ha! ure right! there are independant gcc-x.y-doc packages. must have missed them before.. thank you. |
| 09:52.58 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 09:52.58 | dpkg | well, cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
| 09:53.18 | kr | how do i install a .deb file i downloaded |
| 09:53.19 | thoreauputic | matty_: I think kde is on CD1, but maybe someone can confirm that |
| 09:53.20 | berzerka | i thought such important core components would be covered in doc-base or something.. |
| 09:53.22 | kr | the binary |
| 09:53.27 | Guerin | kr: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 09:53.35 | kr | thanks |
| 09:53.56 | Guerin | berzerka: gcc docs aren't important for most users |
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| 09:55.26 | berzerka | Guerin: yeah, maybe. is it possible to view the according man page in emacs-info if no info file is present? (like the standalone info-viewer does) |
| 09:55.46 | Guerin | no idea |
| 09:55.52 | Guerin | actually |
| 09:55.54 | berzerka | anyone? |
| 09:56.01 | Guerin | since it's emacs, yes, anything's possible |
| 09:56.23 | berzerka | =) yeah but i guess there's a convenient way.. |
| 09:56.33 | Guerin | #emacs might know |
| 09:56.54 | berzerka | right.. thank you |
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| 09:58.36 | Selecter | How to get rid of evil 'defoma'? |
| 09:58.47 | sussudio | !berserker |
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| 09:59.06 | Selecter | !foo |
| 09:59.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
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| 09:59.33 | nevyn | !bar |
| 09:59.34 | dpkg | hmm... bar is a metasyntactic variable in cahoots with foo, baz, and boo. |
| 09:59.36 | Selecter | !defoma |
| 09:59.36 | dpkg | hmm... defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
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| 09:59.41 | tefsom | hi all |
| 09:59.56 | Guerin | Selecter: apt-get remove --purge defoma? |
| 10:00.00 | tefsom | why mail command doesn't exist on my machine ? what have i to install ? |
| 10:00.14 | tefsom | i'm using postfix+ fetchmail |
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| 10:00.16 | tefsom | + mutt |
| 10:00.21 | Guerin | !find bin/mail |
| 10:00.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mail' (9 shown; 44 total): (/usr/bin/mailp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/sbin/mailer) in admin/john ;; (/usr/bin/mailrm) in mail/masqmail ;; (/usr/bin/mailto) in mail/metamail ;; (/usr/sbin/mailsnarf) in net/dsniff ;; (/usr/bin/mail.local) in net/ktalkd ;; (/usr/bin/mailsync) in mail/mailsync ;; (/usr/bin/mailleds) in mail/mailleds ;; (/usr/bin/mailstat) in mail/procmail. |
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| 10:00.40 | Selecter | Guerin, no. It will delete all X packages :) |
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| 10:01.14 | nk__ | is there an app to create animated gifs? |
| 10:01.15 | Guerin | Selecter: then maybe try dpkg-reconfigure defoma, see if it will let something else do the font handling |
| 10:01.29 | Guerin | maybe there's another font manager, try apt-cache search as welll |
| 10:01.36 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 10:01.56 | tefsom | mutt tells me Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.). when i try to send an email from mutt |
| 10:02.10 | liblsd | hi, what to enter in /etc/network/interfaces to get eth1 auto-up at startup ? |
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| 10:02.34 | ribnitz | If I am a poor loenly package maintainer without write privs to the archive, asking on #debian-devel is the proper way to get flamed? |
| 10:02.35 | tefsom | liblsd: auto eth0 |
| 10:02.36 | tefsom | iface eth0 inet static |
| 10:02.48 | tefsom | or dhcp instead of static |
| 10:02.51 | ribnitz | liblsd: auto eth1, man interfaces |
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| 10:03.10 | thoreauputic | nk__: I think gimp will do that with gif enabled (used to be a patent problem but I think it's resolved) |
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| 10:03.24 | nk__ | thomas_adam, i'll have a look |
| 10:03.30 | liblsd | ribnitz: auto eth1 wont work, i dont get any error message but eth1 isnt up after startup |
| 10:03.35 | caulfield | hello |
| 10:03.35 | ribnitz | thoreauputic: there's a gimp-nonfreee.. |
| 10:03.39 | ricochet | what happens when apt-update is erroring out with 'not in gzip format' |
| 10:03.40 | tefsom | hmmm nobody knows anything about mutt error sending emails ? |
| 10:03.45 | caulfield | could you help me? |
| 10:03.49 | ribnitz | liblsd: it works here. |
| 10:03.58 | ribnitz | liblsd: check syslog and messages. |
| 10:04.09 | Guerin | liblsd: you have to add an iface line under the auto line |
| 10:04.14 | caulfield | why freeze my computer when change master volume? |
| 10:04.14 | Abnix | heh just noticed my girlfriend has a smudge of thermal paste on her nose... |
| 10:04.21 | Abnix | god I love her (o: |
| 10:04.38 | ribnitz | caulfield: "master volume"? |
| 10:04.44 | liblsd | ribnitz: btw do u enter it like auto eth1 inet static or, auto eth1 | iface eth1 inet static |
| 10:04.54 | liblsd | Guerin: i tried that too |
| 10:05.09 | caulfield | sound volume |
| 10:05.12 | tarzeau | nk__: know gifsicle or imagemagick? |
| 10:05.27 | ribnitz | liblsd: auto eth1 (newline) iface eth0 ... (some lines) iface eth1 ... |
| 10:05.33 | tarzeau | Abnix: photo? |
| 10:05.35 | caulfield | with mixer |
| 10:05.38 | nk__ | tarzeau, imagemagick, yes. heard of it |
| 10:05.43 | nk__ | gifsicle is new to me |
| 10:06.06 | Abnix | tarzeau: tried, she won't let me |
| 10:06.08 | liblsd | ribnitz: tried that without success |
| 10:06.10 | ribnitz | liblsd: read man interfaces |
| 10:06.12 | tarzeau | Abnix: i prefer mine to have something edible on her nose |
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| 10:06.46 | Abnix | umm, k, got a 'nose thing' do ya? |
| 10:06.52 | Abnix | (o; |
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| 10:07.30 | Abnix | just thought it was cool, her having that smudge on her nose...I mean, anything else woulda been...ordinary. |
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| 10:07.35 | caulfield | ribnitz: when i try to change it my box freeze completly |
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| 10:08.03 | ribnitz | caulfield: you mean hot-swapping drives? |
| 10:08.14 | simonsoul | hi , am i in the right channel to ask abt kernel 2.6 with woody? |
| 10:09.19 | tefsom | pls can help me ? |
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| 10:09.57 | Guerin | simonsoul: yeah. |
| 10:10.01 | Guerin | !bunk 2.6 |
| 10:10.01 | dpkg | somebody said bunk 2.6 was You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html |
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| 10:10.34 | MikTheUser | omg i dont get any of the gawk tuts - any1 here can help me? |
| 10:10.44 | Guerin | !any1 |
| 10:10.45 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 10:10.50 | simonsoul | COOL |
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| 10:10.58 | helix | gah |
| 10:11.07 | helix | !stab braindead CMSs repeatedly |
| 10:11.12 | simonsoul | !bunk 2.6 |
| 10:11.12 | dpkg | [bunk 2.6] You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html |
| 10:11.18 | thoreauputic | !tell tefsom about ask |
| 10:11.30 | caulfield | ribnitz: no, i talk sound volume, eg: i change it in xmms |
| 10:11.45 | ribnitz | caulfield: ah, sorry. no idea then. |
| 10:12.13 | Guerin | !find bin/mail$ |
| 10:12.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/mail' (2 shown): (/usr/share/linpac/bin/mail) in hamradio/linpac ;; (/usr/bin/mail) in mail/mailutils,mail/op-mail2-fb,mail/mailx. |
| 10:12.26 | Guerin | tefsom: ^^ |
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| 10:12.56 | MikTheUser | how do i replace text fron stdin to stdout with gawk? |
| 10:13.46 | bbrazil | MikTheUser: if you don't need to keep state between lines just use sed |
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| 10:14.07 | MikTheUser | bbrazil, what do you mean state? |
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| 10:15.27 | zakame | foo |
| 10:15.36 | zakame | oops |
| 10:16.15 | sussudio | !pity zakame |
| 10:16.16 | dpkg | I pity da fool zakame! |
| 10:16.29 | viri | where i can find linux |
| 10:16.32 | viri | *g* |
| 10:16.35 | viri | hm |
| 10:16.35 | zakame | sussudio: i was writing a scratch func underemacs |
| 10:16.42 | MikTheUser | i basically want to pipe the output of `uptime` through something so the "users 0" will get cut out (use it at shutdown) |
| 10:16.55 | zakame | my spacebardoesn'twork consistently... |
| 10:16.57 | viri | where i can find dpkg? |
| 10:16.58 | thoreauputic | viri: download it from google.com |
| 10:17.09 | viri | lol |
| 10:17.09 | viri | ;) |
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| 10:17.35 | Guerin | dpkg, where are you |
| 10:17.42 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
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| 10:17.50 | Guerin | viri: ^^ |
| 10:17.59 | zakame | heehee |
| 10:18.08 | sussudio | dpkg: where's Guerin |
| 10:18.22 | Zyberdog | very odd.. have configured xserver several times.. just cant get the scroll to work |
| 10:18.22 | viri | oh, i see ;) |
| 10:18.23 | dpkg | sussudio: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:18.28 | sussudio | dpkg: baah |
| 10:18.28 | dpkg | baaaaaaaah |
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| 10:21.36 | Gh0sty | Hello |
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| 10:22.31 | thoreauputic | !hi Gh0sty |
| 10:22.32 | dpkg | Many greetings, Gh0sty, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 10:22.34 | zakame | Gh0sty: olleH |
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| 10:23.08 | thoreauputic | zakame: #debian-es ;-) |
| 10:23.37 | Gh0sty | anyone have an idea what could be wrong with cups? i get chinese out of my printer sometimes, but most of the times it works ok :( |
| 10:23.40 | zakame | thoreauputic: nah, #debian-ph :D |
| 10:24.08 | xoz | Gh0sty: enroll your computer to an english class :) |
| 10:24.12 | zakame | Gh0sty: wat locale? |
| 10:24.26 | thoreauputic | zakame: #naibed |
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| 10:24.37 | dpryo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:24.43 | sussudio | !tell dpkg about bts |
| 10:24.44 | golgotha | is there something that can monitor if i have a cable plugged into my nic? |
| 10:24.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:24.52 | sussudio | !tell dpryo about bts |
| 10:24.54 | sussudio | :-P |
| 10:24.57 | zakame | thoreauputic: ??? |
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| 10:25.26 | Gh0sty | no, i meanth: its on a my router and sometimes it gives me crap, most of the times it works ok (for ex yesterday i tried to print my english presentation and it looked like wingdins :p ) |
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| 10:25.40 | Gh0sty | i print from windows pcs trough cups |
| 10:25.55 | thoreauputic | zakame: Gh0sty: olleH thoreauputic: zakame: #naibed |
| 10:25.59 | zakame | Gh0sty: couldbe a netpb? |
| 10:26.30 | zakame | thoreauputic: oic, cio... |
| 10:26.46 | Gh0sty | gonna try to put it on a fixed pc first and see if it occurs there :s |
| 10:27.13 | thoreauputic | emakaz, huh? |
| 10:28.35 | zakame | thoreauputic: citupuaeroht, acehioprttuu |
| 10:28.56 | hail04 | I am hopeless at linux but I like to dabble nonetheless. How do I go about creating a boot floppy for debian 3 and can I run base install with only cd 1 (because that is all I have been able to download being on dialup) |
| 10:29.19 | Guerin | hail04: can you not boot from the cd? |
| 10:29.35 | zakame | hail04: how aboutgetting tomsrtbt and install from there ? ;) |
| 10:29.41 | hail04 | no the machine is a very old digital server and it wont boot from cd |
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| 10:29.56 | caulfield | cso, vazee |
| 10:29.56 | Gh0sty | oh, does it have a floppydrive? |
| 10:30.01 | hail04 | yep |
| 10:30.06 | Guerin | hail04: what os is on there now? |
| 10:30.39 | Gh0sty | hail04 hold on: |
| 10:30.41 | hail04 | was redhat 7.2...but I have messed it up pretty much so I was going to try this |
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| 10:31.06 | Gh0sty | hail04: http://btmgr.webframe.org/ |
| 10:31.24 | Guerin | right. You can debootstrap from within redhat. but a floppy ain't too hard to use. |
| 10:31.37 | Gh0sty | hail04: a floppy you bootup from, then you can select in the menu to bootup from cd (works on 386 even :p ) |
| 10:31.47 | zakame | Guerin: yep, similar to a chroot install... |
| 10:32.01 | helix | hmm |
| 10:32.01 | Guerin | zakame: so similar it's identical. |
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| 10:32.10 | zakame | Guerin: hehe ;) |
| 10:32.11 | helix | I lost gimp |
| 10:32.24 | zakame | gump, bubba gump |
| 10:32.24 | Guerin | helix: make a noise like ram |
| 10:32.34 | Gnea | *glub* |
| 10:32.38 | Gh0sty | it went to the big place called: heaven of the lost items :p |
| 10:32.55 | helix | I was using it and it just disappeared |
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| 10:32.57 | helix | what in the hell |
| 10:33.04 | Gnea | not in ps axf? |
| 10:33.04 | gordonjcp | hello helix |
| 10:33.06 | moz | hi |
| 10:33.09 | moz | anybody |
| 10:33.10 | helix | yo gordonjcp |
| 10:33.12 | ribnitz | helix: segfaulted? |
| 10:33.12 | helix | sup dude |
| 10:33.13 | Gnea | crashnburn probably |
| 10:33.13 | Guerin | that's pretty funky, indeed |
| 10:33.16 | zakame | moz: ho |
| 10:33.18 | helix | ribnitz: dunno |
| 10:33.30 | Gnea | helix: btw, i finally got the hell out of ny |
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| 10:33.36 | helix | I guess that's likely. it's more like it just went elsewhere |
| 10:33.38 | ribnitz | helix: if it just dissapears without leaving a note.. |
| 10:33.49 | helix | yeah, but I hit some funky key combo |
| 10:33.53 | helix | so I dunno |
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| 10:34.20 | helix | hm, yeah, guess I segfaulted it |
| 10:34.27 | helix | since it's not in my ps output :) |
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| 10:34.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:34.36 | thoreauputic | helix: same thing happens to me with women - I hit some funky key combo and they disappear |
| 10:34.46 | zakame | thoreauputic: hehe. |
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| 10:35.00 | ribnitz | helix: ps ax |grep gimp |wc -l should be 2 |
| 10:35.00 | zakame | so i guess gimp has a lot to do with women... |
| 10:35.12 | moz | trying to compile a java code in netbeans . and says: package org.apache.oro.text.perl does not exist |
| 10:35.13 | helix | thoreauputic: heh |
| 10:35.19 | Guerin | no, I think it's more that thoreauputic has little to do with them |
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| 10:35.33 | helix | he needs a decoder ring |
| 10:35.34 | Gnea | ah, nothing like people still living in the stone age :) |
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| 10:35.46 | thoreauputic | Guerin: Used to but I gave up ;) |
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| 10:35.57 | helix | stupid gimp |
| 10:35.59 | Guerin | thoreauputic: quitter |
| 10:36.00 | ribnitz | Gnea: we don't really need wheels do we? |
| 10:36.16 | Gnea | ribnitz: what's wrong with wheels? |
| 10:36.51 | ribnitz | Gnea: They are evil sorcery and hence need ot be sacrificed to the thunder god. |
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| 10:37.04 | thoreauputic | Guerin: Now I just draw and paint them :) |
| 10:37.15 | Gnea | ribnitz: it could be argued that sacrifice is equally, if not more so evil :) |
| 10:37.20 | xoz | thoreauputic: that's theraputic |
| 10:37.31 | thoreauputic | xoz: indeed |
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| 10:37.35 | ribnitz | Gnea: not if its done in a clean state of mind. |
| 10:37.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:37.55 | Gnea | ribnitz: who's to say that punishing others is a clean process? :) |
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| 10:38.38 | alys | Please, can anyone tell me - or point to a website - how to remove gdm? Thanks |
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| 10:38.42 | backwash | anyone know a good app to burn mp3s to a cda format cd ? |
| 10:38.48 | Gnea | alys: apt-get remove gdm |
| 10:38.51 | ribnitz | Gnea: Wheels are sorcery, and hence the sacrifice can only be handled by the sacrificer with a special, well-established rite. |
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| 10:39.04 | alys | Thanks Gnea - that's a great help. |
| 10:39.27 | Gnea | ribnitz: by that right, should you not be tending a farm and milking your cows rather than utilizing a computer? ;) |
| 10:39.30 | thoreauputic | alys: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:39.36 | colde89 | have problems with squid, browser say`s: The requested URL could not be retrieved ... Access Denied any idea ?? |
| 10:40.02 | ribnitz | Gnea: yes, but the computer does not use any wheels, and hence is not sorcery, is it? |
| 10:40.03 | Gnea | colde89: reconfigure squid |
| 10:40.06 | scarynetworkguy | colde89: your config is wrong. You need to set up the ACL right |
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| 10:40.26 | acmini | hello |
| 10:40.32 | Gnea | ribnitz: you don't know for sure? do not modern wheels require electricity? |
| 10:40.35 | colde89 | scarynetworkguy: have given some acl`s |
| 10:40.44 | acmini | anyone have irc serve |
| 10:40.44 | zakame | thoreauputic: can i apt-get -y install nodm |
| 10:40.49 | scarynetworkguy | colde89: do it right |
| 10:40.54 | ribnitz | Gnea: that can be provived without wheels. |
| 10:41.01 | backwash | anyone know a good app to burn mp3s to a cda format cd ? |
| 10:41.10 | ribnitz | backwash: mp3burn |
| 10:41.12 | alys | thoreauputic: thanks - that was a good idea... |
| 10:41.17 | Gnea | ribnitz: but to make the wheels turn... |
| 10:41.21 | zakame | backwash: cdrecord, or libbrun |
| 10:41.23 | backwash | thx |
| 10:41.28 | xoz | colde89: check acl in squid.conf |
| 10:41.32 | ribnitz | Gnea: what wheels? |
| 10:41.35 | zakame | s/libbrun/libburn/ |
| 10:41.44 | Gnea | ribnitz: the ones on your chair :) |
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| 10:43.34 | acmini | şĂ |
| 10:43.43 | colde89 | scarynetworkguy: have used acl intern 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 for my network (host on 192.168.0.1) |
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| 10:45.27 | colde89 | scarynetworkguy: the second acl i used is acl netscape browser -i mozilla |
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| 10:45.31 | sussudio | blah. i think the psu fan in one of my pc's died again |
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| 10:49.12 | Gnea | helix: cindy lauper? :) |
| 10:49.18 | helix | NWO |
| 10:49.20 | helix | ! |
| 10:49.26 | helix | actually, I've moved into the 90s now |
| 10:49.37 | Weeble | yaay cindy lauper! |
| 10:49.46 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:50.02 | helix | haha, liz phair |
| 10:50.17 | colde89 | xoz: how to give acl to (host 192.168.0.1) in squid.conf isn`t it acl intern 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 |
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| 10:51.00 | nwo | helix:? |
| 10:51.14 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:51.37 | Gnea | grrr.... |
| 10:51.44 | Gnea | dpkg: sparc backports? |
| 10:51.47 | dpkg | Gnea: i haven't a clue |
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| 10:52.04 | Gnea | bun of a stitch |
| 10:52.08 | helix | oh shit |
| 10:52.15 | helix | nwo: hey, didn't know it was anyone's nick. sorry. |
| 10:52.16 | xoz | colde89: can't rememeber. the example in squid.conf should enlighted you.... i just used; |
| 10:52.21 | xoz | acl our_networks src 10.0.0.0/24 133.15.216.0/24 |
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| 10:52.39 | nwo | helix: ahh, ok |
| 10:52.42 | helix | :) |
| 10:53.09 | colde89 | xoz :: have fond something in google .. |
| 10:53.09 | Gnea | google's being a douchebag again... |
| 10:53.20 | xoz | colde89: http_access allow our_networks |
| 10:54.02 | az[a]zel | boo |
| 10:54.50 | xoz | colde89: why are you using squid? |
| 10:56.42 | colde89 | xoz :: will use a proxy |
| 10:57.25 | xoz | colde89: for web browsing and ftp? |
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| 10:58.51 | colde89 | xoz:: yes for webbrowsing |
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| 10:59.52 | rich_ | Hi |
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| 11:01.08 | xoz | colde89: then you just have to configure your network address and use http_access allow networks |
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| 11:02.28 | netic | hi there. what's the file in which i set environment variables? if possible for all users. e.g. QTDIR=/usr/local/qt |
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| 11:03.52 | xoz | netic: /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 11:04.24 | netic | xoz: thanks |
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| 11:07.46 | colde89 | xoz :: ok have used http_access allow 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 but when i restart squid i get acl name 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 not found and accessline contains no acl`s sciping squid |
| 11:08.50 | Fuwex | How do I show running processes again? forgot it |
| 11:09.06 | xoz | colde89: you have to name it like acl mynet <address/mask>.. then http_access allow mynet |
| 11:09.21 | netpython | fg ... |
| 11:09.53 | takatumi | Fuwex: top? |
| 11:10.10 | netpython | ps -waux |
| 11:10.37 | colde89 | xoz :: mynet means daomainname ?? |
| 11:11.13 | xoz | colde89: no, you invent it.. just any name that you can use to refer to your network since http_access expects a name. |
| 11:11.28 | Fuwex | thanks takatumi |
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| 11:16.07 | colde89 | xoz :: works .. |
| 11:16.31 | xoz | !congratulate colde89 |
| 11:16.31 | dpkg | huzzah colde89, you did it! |
| 11:16.55 | colde89 | joo.. |
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| 11:19.22 | optic | alias whois="whois $1 | less" in ~/.bashrc does not work any better way to do this? |
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| 11:20.02 | optic | (i could replace /usr/bin/whois etc. but that seems messy |
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| 11:20.14 | Gnea | optic: write it as a function |
| 11:20.20 | ribnitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:20.31 | xoz | optic: create a local file in ~/bin named whois with that command inside |
| 11:20.48 | xoz | optic: or use another name |
| 11:21.11 | Gnea | whois() { whois $1 | less; } |
| 11:21.14 | optic | xoz: is /usr/local/bin acceptable if i want it available to all users? |
| 11:21.33 | Gnea | toss that in a file and . the file |
| 11:21.34 | xoz | optic: checkout Gnea first.... yep |
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| 11:22.26 | optic | Gnea: i don't understand. what do you mean by function? put the alias command in a . file?? |
| 11:22.47 | Gnea | optic: no, it's a bash function, not an alias, but it acts as an alias, only it's a function |
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| 11:23.28 | MrMario64 | howdy, I have a question. When I startup smb share from fstab is mounted before my pcmcia networkcard is up and running, hence it fails to mount. How can I change sequence? |
| 11:23.29 | Gnea | for example, i use this to toss .bin/.cue files into a cd |
| 11:23.32 | Spoof][c[lnx] | what does "wa" in top(string CPU(s): ) is mean ? |
| 11:23.32 | Spoof][c[lnx] | Cpu(s): 8.4% us, 2.8% sy, 0.0% ni, 87.1% id, 1.5% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.1% si |
| 11:23.33 | optic | Gnea: does the alias syntax in .bashrc work for it? |
| 11:23.42 | xoz | optic: similar to /etc/bash_completion |
| 11:23.44 | Gnea | optic: no, i just gave you the syntax |
| 11:24.00 | MyNameIsChris | Earlier Guerin told me about some bunk packages needed to run 2.6 on Woody, does anyone know the link he gave me or the !tell thing? |
| 11:24.11 | Gnea | burnavcd() { if [ -z $1 ]; then echo "Usage: burnavcd tocfile.cue"; echo "Exiting..."; else echo "Burn baby! BURN!!!"; cdrdao write --eject --speed 40 -v 5 --driver generic-mmc --devi |
| 11:24.13 | Gnea | ce ATA:1,1,0 --force $1 |
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| 11:24.18 | Gnea | fi } |
| 11:24.47 | Gnea | optic: see, then i just have to cd to the dir with the .bin and .cue files in it and type: burnavcd some.cue |
| 11:24.49 | Gnea | and bam |
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| 11:25.26 | DrPete | Whats the cheapest sata raid 5 controller thats not crappy |
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| 11:25.46 | Gnea | optic: an alias isn't going to parse piped functionality - that's why you need a function for | less |
| 11:26.08 | MyNameIsChris | Never mind, got it |
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| 11:27.48 | optic | okay thanks i will educate myself on this subject with your example |
| 11:28.13 | Gnea | probably a good idea - i usually like to check to see if that first argument is empty or not :) |
| 11:28.20 | MyNameIsChris | Do I have to download ALL these: http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/debian/dists/woody/kernel-26/main/binary-i386/ |
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| 11:29.49 | Gnea | MyNameIsChris: i sure as hell wouldn't |
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| 11:30.09 | MyNameIsChris | What if you NEEDed 2.6? |
| 11:30.25 | Gnea | then i'd configure and compile it |
| 11:30.30 | MyNameIsChris | I did |
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| 11:31.49 | MyNameIsChris | Would you like me to tell you my problem? |
| 11:31.49 | jel | anyone else had trouble with chroot not being executable recently? I'm not sure if an update screwed it up, or if prelink did. |
| 11:31.49 | Gnea | sure why not |
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| 11:31.50 | MyNameIsChris | When it boots the new kernel it starts kdm but stays at tty1 and I cannot switch to tty7. Guerin said I needed those packages |
| 11:31.58 | joefso | How come the default zsh in debian is so bold? |
| 11:31.58 | Gnea | that's all? |
| 11:32.06 | MyNameIsChris | ? |
| 11:32.11 | Gnea | he didn't tell you WHY you needed them? |
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| 11:32.16 | jel | bold? |
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| 11:32.32 | MyNameIsChris | msg dpkg bunk |
| 11:32.32 | joefso | jel bold in a way of almost no configuration done |
| 11:32.32 | sussudio | joefso: maybe it's just like its father |
| 11:32.36 | joefso | sussudio: hahaha |
| 11:32.40 | Jon | Hi guys. I want to burn a debian/woody/i386 install CD, preferably as small as possible. Since there are no official woody business-card-cd images (or jigdo files). I think I have two options: a third-party installer or use the sarge business card CD and try a downgrade to stable when its done. what do you recommend? |
| 11:32.52 | jel | lol, sussudio :) |
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| 11:33.09 | spirax | Jon, use the net installer, 31mb. |
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| 11:33.20 | Gnea | Jon: HAHAHAH downgrade... AAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA oh that's funny... heh, you can't downgrade. |
| 11:33.21 | jel | joefso: what you want a *preferences*. You set those yourself. |
| 11:33.22 | nevyn | !tell Mabin about root |
| 11:34.00 | jel | anyone know what chroot is used for during boot? Will single bypass it? |
| 11:34.03 | joefso | jel: oh, ah. I thought that it supose to be like ready to use configuration like bash. |
| 11:34.18 | joefso | configuration like in /etc/ |
| 11:34.24 | jel | joefso: it's always been usable for me |
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| 11:35.25 | Jon | spirax: ah there's netinstaller images for stable? cool, thanks |
| 11:35.36 | Jon | Gnea: what stops you downgrading precicely |
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| 11:35.52 | Gnea | Jon: it can't be started |
| 11:36.09 | Jon | Gnea: I se |
| 11:36.11 | Gnea | Jon: this is debian, you can upgrade or you can format and reinstall |
| 11:36.17 | spirax | you can't "downgrade" the whole distro, but you can with individual packages: apt-get install package/stable |
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| 11:36.22 | jel | Jon: the lack of an apt-get downgrade command, mostly :) It's just not designed to be downgraded |
| 11:36.25 | Jon | Gnea: I've read reports of unstable -> stable transitions |
| 11:36.28 | frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:36.46 | Gnea | Jon: yes and i just described the actual process. :) |
| 11:36.50 | Jon | perl -p -i -e 's!unstable!stable!g' /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:37.02 | Gnea | no. |
| 11:37.04 | Gnea | that will not work. |
| 11:37.16 | Gnea | whoever told you that is smoking a lot of crack. |
| 11:37.23 | Jon | I gather there are some unresolvable dependencies, relating to libc particularly, which have to have manual intervention |
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| 11:37.48 | Gnea | you're not reading me right: IT CAN'T BE DONE. |
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| 11:38.07 | Gnea | and don't tell me someone else said they could. it was a lie. and you can't prove me wrong. |
| 11:38.27 | petemc | there was article on debianplanet on doing it |
| 11:38.33 | Gnea | oh really |
| 11:38.34 | Gnea | show me. now. |
| 11:38.39 | petemc | heh |
| 11:38.46 | Gnea | no 'heh', url. |
| 11:39.03 | petemc | the thing is, i dont giev a fuck if you believe me or not :) |
| 11:39.04 | jel | you could manually uninstall all/most of the newer packages in one go, and install old ones, but it would still probably be screwed up in places, and you'd have to fix it. |
| 11:39.14 | xoz | Gnea: what you are saying is from unstable to stable is not possible? |
| 11:39.16 | Guerin | it MIGHT work |
| 11:39.22 | Guerin | it probably won't |
| 11:39.24 | Shadur | Jon: That won't work because the installed versions of everything you have installed is higher than anything that stable offers, so it'll dist-upgrade exactly nothing. |
| 11:39.47 | Shadur | Or worse, it might attempt to upgrade a few things and then break horribly on everything else. |
| 11:39.47 | Jon | Shadur: aha! of course |
| 11:39.47 | Guerin | and even if it does seem to work, initially, it might just fuck out later |
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| 11:39.57 | Jon | Gnea: I' |
| 11:40.05 | Shadur | Jon: And the fact that I had to spell this out for you means that you shouldn't even be trying. |
| 11:40.07 | jel | xoz: backup /home, and anything else that contains personal data, reinstall, and copy back your data |
| 11:40.14 | Jon | Gnea: I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I just don't believe that you are right. |
| 11:40.17 | Gnea | xoz: how are you going to convince over 50 packages that require and equal or GREATER value to install a LOWER value of themselves? |
| 11:40.26 | Jon | Shadur: I'm not trying - its speculation. |
| 11:40.29 | Gnea | s/and/an/ |
| 11:40.31 | xoz | Gnea: pinning/priority |
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| 11:40.59 | Gnea | i still don't see the url being pasted. it's a farce. |
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| 11:40.59 | Shadur | Jon: And you're wrong, as Gnea has been trying to explain to you for a while now. |
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| 11:40.59 | Shadur | ~tell root__ about root |
| 11:41.09 | Jon | Gnea: if you are really interested, go look for it yourself |
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| 11:41.31 | xoz | Gnea: ive done it once.... have to dpkg --force libc and essentials but it's workable. |
| 11:41.43 | Gnea | Jon: if you think i'm really that wrong, then prove me wrong and find it yourself. otherwise, suffer in the amount of time that you will waste attempting to do it. :) |
| 11:42.00 | Jon | Shadur: I understand gnea's arguments and he's right that those methods I proposed will not work. I don't think it is impossible however. I can invisage a very complex and waste-of-time approach involving a chroot install etc. etc. but as this is entirely speculative, I don't see there's any point in getting heated about it. |
| 11:42.03 | Shadur | Jon: Uh, no. Someone else made the claim that such an article exists. They get to prove it by showing the URL. |
| 11:42.07 | xoz | jel: configs in /etc are essential |
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| 11:42.12 | Jon | Gnea: I'm afraid I don't have the time for that |
| 11:42.19 | petemc | Gnea: go to debianplanet.org, search for downgrade |
| 11:42.27 | Jon | Gnea: oh don't worry, you've convinced me its not worth attempting :) |
| 11:42.48 | rich_ | I believe he said it. |
| 11:42.50 | jel | xoz: no they're not. Configs are installed with software. Perhaps you feel that your own customisations are important, but that's different from essential. |
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| 11:42.55 | Gnea | no thanks, i have better things to do than smashing my head into a cement wall :) |
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| 11:43.19 | petemc | bah |
| 11:43.21 | petemc | http://debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 |
| 11:43.23 | Gnea | petemc: yeah, what Shadur just said. |
| 11:43.28 | Jon | Shadur: fine, I withdraw the claim that I ever read the article. The thing is, its clear that this approach is unfeasible, so I won't invest any more time looking ito it, that includes digging up an article on DP for someone to read for their own satisfaction |
| 11:43.29 | Shadur | On a slightly more productive note, are there any kernel patches that'll allow a sysadmin to do with signals and processes what the extended POSIX ACLs let you do with files? That is, give specific users or groups of users the ability to send certain signals to certain processes? |
| 11:43.30 | Gnea | oh right on cue |
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| 11:44.14 | xoz | jel: the point why you need /etc is to customize your config... you can't just replace it with defaults. |
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| 11:44.31 | petemc | you have to ask yourself why i would make something like that up |
| 11:44.36 | jel | Shadur: security-enhanced linux (or whatever the NSA mods are called) sounds like it might be what you need |
| 11:44.38 | Gnea | I've been doing a lot of PHP work, and my source files are scattered across the file system. <--- n00b. |
| 11:44.52 | xoz | jel: but yeah, reinstalling is faster but downgrade is possible if needs require it. |
| 11:44.58 | Jon | I've been doing a lot of PHP work, <--- n00b. |
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| 11:45.09 | jel | xoz: if you're downgrading, your new configs aren't going to work anyway. Goes with the territory. |
| 11:45.12 | Shadur | I want to be able to delegate some mundane work to co-admins, but it'll require them to be able to send kill -HUP to the occasional daemon. Bind has the /var/run/ndc socket that lets me use posix acls, which makes ndc work for them, but apachectl won't let me do that. |
| 11:45.21 | Shadur | jel: Thanks, I'll look into them |
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| 11:45.22 | Gnea | ahaha, he did it to save uptime. |
| 11:45.33 | Jon | Gnea: thats disheartening :( |
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| 11:45.54 | jel | Shadur: actually, for that, you probably want some custom scripts and sudo |
| 11:46.20 | Guerin | !downgrade |
| 11:46.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 11:46.37 | Guerin | I knew I'd read that somewhere before |
| 11:46.39 | jel | alias downgrade=rm -rf / :D |
| 11:46.47 | Shadur | jel: That's my other option, yeah, but I'd really prefer to have the list of sudo'able commands as short as possible. |
| 11:47.09 | xoz | !factinfo downgrade |
| 11:47.09 | dpkg | downgrade -- last modified at Mon Jun 28 21:08:16 2004 by sprintf`!~user@host125-90.discord.birch.net; it has been requested 59 times, last by Guerin, 49s ago. |
| 11:47.17 | Shadur | Hmm. Maybe a single script that takes an argument regarding which daemon to restart/reload and takes it from there... |
| 11:47.18 | takatumi | also on the testing->stable factoid |
| 11:47.23 | xoz | Guerin: you're cheating :) |
| 11:47.39 | Guerin | xoz: why? |
| 11:47.43 | takatumi | temperature |
| 11:47.44 | takatumi | 14:31 < tail3r> | takatumi_ : 70C |
| 11:47.48 | Guerin | petemc: priorities, mate |
| 11:47.50 | Gnea | Jon: VERY disheartening! he said he can't even find a single problem! what if he reboots and has to get a work order out in 30 minutes only to find that he's gotta burn a knoppix cd in order to rescue it! :) |
| 11:47.51 | xoz | Guerin: ahh, i though you modified it :) |
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| 11:47.53 | petemc | :) |
| 11:47.56 | Guerin | xoz: nope |
| 11:47.56 | jel | lol, pete :) |
| 11:48.00 | petemc | hey jel |
| 11:48.01 | Jon | I would use the testing installer and stick with it if I knew sarge was going to be stable in the near future, but I'm not too confident |
| 11:48.05 | Guerin | xoz: I was going to, if it wasn't already there |
| 11:48.05 | jel | hi there :) |
| 11:48.07 | takatumi | damn how did that get here :) |
| 11:48.22 | Guerin | Jon: it will be, depending on your definition of "near" |
| 11:48.27 | Jon | Gnea: yeah that approach is very foolhardy |
| 11:48.34 | DrPete | Anyone surgest and sata raid 5 controllers that are reasonable in price |
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| 11:48.47 | Jon | Guerin: I dunno. Within the time-frame where I feel too nervous running testing I suppose |
| 11:48.49 | yesi | hi |
| 11:48.50 | Guerin | Gnea: yeah, that's the real danger - rebooting |
| 11:48.55 | Jon | Guerin: to be honest I'm probably worried about nothing |
| 11:49.08 | Guerin | Jon: what's the machine's purpose? |
| 11:49.14 | Jon | Guerin: web server |
| 11:49.22 | abrotman | Jon: good idea |
| 11:49.24 | Jon | Guerin: actually mostly just a router |
| 11:49.27 | Guerin | Jon: go with stable + security, for sure. |
| 11:49.28 | Gnea | Jon: the method does seem valid though - the only other real problems i can see is the fact that if a newer kernel package is installed (say, newer than 2.4.21) then there'll be some real problems unless it's caught before the reboot |
| 11:49.38 | Jon | Guerin: ok cool yeah, thats my plan then |
| 11:49.45 | abrotman | Jon: oh ..just a router? .. the only thing you'd really have to woory about is kernel/ssh vulns |
| 11:49.50 | Guerin | Jon: ah, a home box? Mine is sarge, but then again, i don't care too mcuh if it breaks |
| 11:50.13 | Jon | Guerin: mine's currently sid hehe |
| 11:50.20 | Guerin | Jon: I thought you meant a production web server |
| 11:50.21 | Gnea | Jon: listen, my router/server/firewall is running unstable (sid). It has for MONTHS!! I just moved and it's still running hard with no problems. |
| 11:50.26 | Jon | Guerin: but its a mess. I can't get it to boot a 2.4 kernel at all, and the 2.2 one kernel panics under high load |
| 11:50.48 | yesi | i'd like to know if there's the "nvidia-kernel-common" package in the sarge testing, please? because i can't find it... |
| 11:50.48 | Jon | Guerin: no. It runs a personal web page now, but it probably won't in a few months. sorry, a bit dazed today |
| 11:50.49 | Guerin | Jon: damn, you broke something BAD |
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| 11:50.56 | Gnea | Jon: it's quite simple - i just install woody and apt-get upgrade - in fact i find it more stable, more faster and more secure than stable |
| 11:51.01 | abrotman | like .. module tools? |
| 11:51.08 | rich_ | xoz Ive done it and it worked for weeks. Does that sound like a long time to you? It doesnt sound like a long time to me. Its hardly worth my time to help someone when I know its only going to last a few weeks. |
| 11:51.09 | Guerin | more faster |
| 11:51.15 | abrotman | my boss says that |
| 11:51.18 | abrotman | and more solider |
| 11:51.25 | Guerin | more betterer |
| 11:51.26 | jel | yesi: you have to build it from nvidia-kernel-source, probably |
| 11:51.34 | abrotman | and says people speak good english |
| 11:51.43 | sussudio | engwrish |
| 11:51.46 | Gnea | Jon: take for example apache itself - do you trust a newer version of apache or older? sure you could install a backport, but uhm, the point would then be..? |
| 11:51.50 | abrotman | meep! |
| 11:51.50 | Jon | Guerin: yah precicely. It's been running so long I'm not entirely confident it hasn't been rooted. Its just an irrational fear. chkrootkit lists nothing, I've never seen any signs etc., its just been up for so long, and 5 years ago I knew so little I don't trust the old me :) |
| 11:51.58 | xoz | rich_: mine works and let me finish my research for a year.. you lack *experience* i must say. don't blame the downgrade. |
| 11:52.04 | Gnea | Jon: "if it ain't broke don't fix it!" :) |
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| 11:52.22 | abrotman | i think my machine finally decided to do an updatedb .. don't think its had one of those in .. months |
| 11:52.27 | Guerin | Jon: I'd work on fixing your kernel issues, and leave it as is. |
| 11:52.36 | abrotman | maybe a nice 2.6? |
| 11:52.41 | Moebius2 | does anyone know how I can get the apache mod_include with debian? |
| 11:52.50 | Jon | Gnea: very true - however I'm putting a new HD in and I want 2.4 for iptables. two 2.4 kernels I built failed to boot, can't figure out why, seemed like with all that, a good opportunity for a clean up |
| 11:53.05 | Guerin | Jon: unless you have other reasons to waste so much time redoing it all. |
| 11:53.22 | Guerin | joefso: debian kernels boot? |
| 11:53.27 | Guerin | Jon: ^^ |
| 11:53.29 | Jon | Guerin: sticking a new HD in gives me the window to mess with it |
| 11:53.31 | Gnea | Jon: have you compiled many kernels before? |
| 11:53.37 | Jon | Gnea: yeah, loadsa |
| 11:53.37 | yesi | jel: i'm just begeinning with debian, so how could i do this please? |
| 11:53.46 | abrotman | ok ... how screwed up is cyrrus to have like 10 DSAs in a week? |
| 11:53.53 | Guerin | !nvidia howto |
| 11:53.53 | dpkg | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 11:53.57 | Jon | Gnea: this old machine's a p200 and my desktop is hardware-dead at the moment. it takes so long to build on a 200! |
| 11:54.04 | rich_ | xoz Why do you think we would lie to you? I mean, downgradeing is no big deal, youll have to learn the hard way like everyone else. But why would we lie? Why wouldnt it be officially supported if it works? |
| 11:54.07 | Gnea | heh |
| 11:54.11 | jel | yesi: see what dpkg said, just above |
| 11:54.15 | Gnea | i used to run a k6 200 as my server for years |
| 11:54.20 | abrotman | Jon: so use a debian kernel |
| 11:54.31 | Jon | Gnea: the first 2.4 attempt I think was a stupid mistake - I forgot to change the CPU type in the .config file from p3 :) however the second attempt fails too (machines reboots after LILO), and I can't place that one atm. |
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| 11:54.37 | Jon | abrotman: good idea |
| 11:54.44 | Jon | abrotman: actually I never even considered that. |
| 11:55.04 | xoz | rich_: if it's not officially supported, it doesn't mean it doesn't work... what's your logic. im just saying that it was possible because i did it. end of story. :) |
| 11:55.06 | jel | hmm.. it's disturbing when people's routers are faster than your desktops :D |
| 11:55.14 | yesi | thanks Guerin jel |
| 11:55.18 | Gnea | my router is an athlon 1ghz now |
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| 11:55.43 | Guerin | jel: yeah, the guy I bought a replacement mobo from threw in a couple p3-733s he had sitting around the shop |
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| 11:55.59 | Guerin | a quality guy, he is |
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| 11:56.19 | rich_ | xoz Ok, well you should ask yourself why we would lie to you, and it will all become clear when it breaks. |
| 11:56.21 | abrotman | Jon: see above note about my mailserver .. and i already fixed it .. and it's not even 8am here :) |
| 11:56.38 | jel | Guerin: nice :) |
| 11:56.46 | abrotman | one of my routers at work is an alpha |
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| 11:56.57 | Guerin | jel: doesn't help the fact that my main box is a p2-233 though |
| 11:57.10 | Jon | abrotman: what was wrong with it? |
| 11:57.14 | Guerin | the other two are my wife's desktop and the router |
| 11:57.20 | abrotman | Jon: the alpha? or the mailserver? |
| 11:57.26 | Jon | I'm sticking debian on my work's desktop on monday, looking forward to that |
| 11:57.30 | Jon | abrotman: mailserver |
| 11:57.33 | Jon | abrotman: (curiosity) |
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| 11:57.51 | jel | Guerin: why not switch 'em? |
| 11:58.02 | sm | Hello - does anyone have a Sony Picturebook PCG-C1VFK and a working XF86Config-4 file they could send me?? |
| 11:58.16 | abrotman | Jon: oh .. we migrated last night before i left work .. i still am using the old one for listserv ..had removed most of the allowed domains to recieve for :) |
| 11:58.22 | abrotman | Jon: i had to put them back :) |
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| 11:58.30 | Guerin | jel: mine is a laptop, on a small table... and it has 256 ram, whereas the router has 128. I don't do anything requiring instant speed on this lappy, but I do need a lot of ram. |
| 11:58.36 | xoz | rich_: the process of your downgrade and the apps you used is different from mine. if your comp break, you have all the control to troubleshoot it... mine broke but i fixed it... so, if you gave up in a week, fine... that's why i said, it's not worth *it*.. it started from curiosity. the time is nothing from the knowledge i learned along those problems i encoutered. |
| 11:58.39 | trollboy | so I found what I believe to be a bug with sarge |
| 11:58.58 | petemc | Guerin: that sucks, seeing as you dont have a lot ;) |
| 11:59.05 | Guerin | petemc: :P |
| 11:59.18 | abrotman | Jon: nothing horrible |
| 11:59.19 | Guerin | even so, I'm not using all of it |
| 11:59.26 | Jon | hey you know whats quite good - gentoo's install, how you can start it off from a chroot on an existing linux system |
| 11:59.30 | petemc | trollboy: check the bts to see if its been reported, if not, install reportbug and do so |
| 11:59.32 | jel | Guerin: ahh, gotcha. I use a laptop mainly, too. |
| 11:59.38 | Guerin | Jon: debian's been able to do that since day 1 |
| 11:59.45 | Jon | the reason that is good is, I can setup a chroot, put a gentoo start on it, play with emerge enough till I get bored, then remove the chroot without damaging my OS! :) |
| 11:59.46 | rich_ | xoz I think your time frame is a little skewed, its been years and years since I made the mistake youve made. And in the years since then Ive seen many other people make the same mistake. |
| 12:00.00 | Jon | never need look at gentoo again |
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| 12:00.19 | jel | Guerin: tar has been able to do that for a while now, too :D |
| 12:00.27 | Guerin | jel: indeed. |
| 12:00.45 | xoz | rich_: making mistake by satisfying your couriosity is not bad... instead by just believing all that comes without trying it... |
| 12:01.05 | abrotman | now i know why all those kids think knoppix is debian .. because every damn time slashdot has a knoppix story .. they use the debian logo |
| 12:01.20 | xoz | abrotman: heh |
| 12:01.20 | sussudio | !badgerdot |
| 12:01.20 | dpkg | badger ; badger ; badger ; badger ; badger ; linux ; linux ; badger ; badger ; badger ; SCO oooh! It's SCOoooo... |
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| 12:01.43 | Guerin | there's a qualitative difference between going "I know what'll fix this!" and fucking things up out of naivete, and going "I wonder what will happen if ..." and fucking them up out of experimentation. |
| 12:01.43 | abrotman | that's odd .. |
| 12:01.50 | rich_ | xoz yes thats why I said its not a big deal that you think you can downgrade. The important thing is that when it breaks you realise that we werent lieing after all. |
| 12:02.03 | abrotman | iknow my bosses passwd . checking his mail on the new mailserver .. he got spam from what is supposed to be sethb@gluck |
| 12:02.09 | Gnea | oh wow. |
| 12:02.13 | Gnea | now this is retarded. |
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| 12:02.28 | abrotman | Gnea: ? |
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| 12:02.37 | sussudio | Gnea: presidential debateS? |
| 12:02.48 | abrotman | utah? |
| 12:02.51 | xoz | rich_: updrade/downgrade breaks things but so far it can be fixed. |
| 12:02.52 | abrotman | canada? |
| 12:03.03 | Gnea | i can't upgrade silo because it requires an upgraded libc6, but libc6 absolutely refuses to upgrade since it's running a 2.2 kernel, but it won't boot a 2.4 kernel unless the new silo is installed. on a sparc. |
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| 12:03.15 | Guerin | haha |
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| 12:03.39 | Jon | Gnea: ouch |
| 12:03.42 | Jon | that reminds me |
| 12:03.51 | abrotman | but you can upgrade libc without a newer kernel |
| 12:03.54 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 12:03.54 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 12:03.57 | jel | Gnea: 2.6? :) |
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| 12:04.25 | Gnea | jel: going from woody to sid :) |
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| 12:04.48 | Gnea | some jackass in #debian-sparc said that sid is the way to go |
| 12:04.57 | jel | Gnea: actually, you could just download it and force the install manually through dpkg. If you know it'll all be configured right when you're done. |
| 12:04.57 | Gnea | of course, he's got an ultra 5 not a sparcstation 5 |
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| 12:04.58 | abrotman | why is kernel upgrade part of going from woody to sid? |
| 12:05.18 | abrotman | Gnea: i had a 1+ .. i got rid of it .. but i may have an ultra30 coming |
| 12:05.19 | Jon | I get weird prints into my console on my sparc, 'unimplemented SPARC system call 63' etc. its disconcerting |
| 12:05.24 | petemc | ive long since stopped using ms ss5, i find it too slow to be usable |
| 12:05.32 | petemc | s/ms/my/ |
| 12:05.36 | Gnea | jel: no, that doesn't work either. |
| 12:05.54 | abrotman | Gnea: so upgrade libc before the kernel? |
| 12:05.54 | Gnea | WARNING: You have a cpu which requires kernel 2.4.21 |
| 12:05.54 | Gnea | or greater in order to install this version of glibc. |
| 12:05.54 | Gnea | Please upgrade the kernel before installing this package. |
| 12:06.01 | Gnea | impossible. |
| 12:06.04 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 12:06.09 | Gnea | sid for sparc is broken. |
| 12:06.12 | Gnea | someone fucked up. |
| 12:06.12 | abrotman | do them all at once? |
| 12:06.17 | abrotman | Gnea: go to sarge first? |
| 12:06.25 | petemc | Guerin: people are giving them away |
| 12:06.25 | jel | Gnea: you can always hack the dependancies in /var/lib/dpkg/info :) |
| 12:06.28 | abrotman | Guerin: it's easy in .us |
| 12:06.34 | Guerin | so it seemms |
| 12:06.38 | petemc | in fact, if anyone in belfast wants one... |
| 12:06.48 | ubertux | hi, does any one know why all songs just skipped when i try to play them in xmms as normal user but works fine when i am root? |
| 12:06.50 | sussudio | petemc: people are leaving |
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| 12:07.02 | abrotman | Guerin: i had a friend whose dad worked at a design company making incinerators ... they moved from SPARC to Win32 .. they gave away all the sparc boxen |
| 12:07.17 | abrotman | Guerin: now i've got a friend at PSU .. they're dumping some sparc stuff |
| 12:07.21 | Jon | Guerin: I got a SS5 donated from uni before I graduated. I started working at a different uni a few weeks ago, where I picked up a spare nic for it. My plan is to have it ready as a drop-in router if the drives in my p200 fail |
| 12:07.23 | Guerin | have they no resale value? |
| 12:07.28 | xoz | ubertux: adduser <username> audio |
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| 12:07.36 | Jon | Guerin: ... and also play a bit with SPARC ASM |
| 12:07.36 | abrotman | Guerin: that same guy also has a AIX box at home he got for free |
| 12:07.43 | ubertux | xoz: cheers |
| 12:07.47 | petemc | i have an rs6000 too |
| 12:07.52 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Just off to buy ingredients. :) |
| 12:07.54 | petemc | nice machine |
| 12:07.59 | abrotman | thomas_adam: for kaniddles? |
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| 12:08.08 | Jon | now what I would really like, is a 64-bit multiprocessor sparc to use as a dekstop |
| 12:08.11 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yeppers. |
| 12:08.12 | ubertux | xoz: umm, i'm already a member of audio |
| 12:08.14 | abrotman | thomas_adam: i have my moms recipe here at my place |
| 12:08.15 | jel | petemc: ms ss5? what's that? |
| 12:08.23 | abrotman | jel: mistype |
| 12:08.30 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Woooo. |
| 12:08.35 | petemc | jel: see the line after that :) |
| 12:08.38 | petemc | s/ms/my/ |
| 12:08.39 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you want me to type it in don't you? |
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| 12:09.08 | xoz | ubertux: try mv .xmms .xmms.old . it might be the old config of previous xmms... |
| 12:09.09 | jel | :) |
| 12:09.32 | Gil | ubertux: do you have read permissions on the audio files? |
| 12:09.45 | Guerin | Gil: how else would he have queued them? |
| 12:09.53 | abrotman | Guerin: i had an SGI that i bought .. i loved that box .. but sold it anyways |
| 12:09.55 | abrotman | !hurt me |
| 12:10.09 | Gil | Guerin: Maybe he queued them earlier. |
| 12:10.10 | ubertux | thanks guys, it's the old config i import from gentoo |
| 12:10.18 | Gil | Guerin: Maybe he uses m3u files |
| 12:10.23 | abrotman | !blame gentoo |
| 12:10.24 | thomas_adam | abrotman: It doesn't look like you're busy... ;) |
| 12:10.25 | xoz | ubertux: *ouch* |
| 12:10.25 | Gil | Guerin: Who knows? |
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| 12:10.30 | Guerin | you crazy cats and your funky hardware |
| 12:10.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: darn you .. i'm not :) |
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| 12:10.42 | DrPete | are the RC4000 from RAIDCore any good? |
| 12:10.47 | Guerin | Gil: true. |
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| 12:10.56 | thomas_adam | abrotman: I'd get in quick -- tomorrow is Sunday. :) |
| 12:11.01 | WestMae | hey guys |
| 12:11.02 | abrotman | thomas_adam: give me a few minutes |
| 12:11.08 | zarchne | The topic here mentioning DSA 563-2 is obsolete; there's a 563-3 (...woody5) which appears to have fixed problems with sendmail in DSA 563-2 (...woody3). |
| 12:11.09 | thomas_adam | abrotman: No rush. |
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| 12:11.29 | Gnea | i just told that mofo off |
| 12:11.43 | Guerin | zarchne: let an op know when next you see one |
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| 12:12.24 | MaeWest | I just installed linux (debian ) for the first time. When i try to run x, it attempts to run but then nothing comes up indicating i selected the wrong video file configuration. XFree86.0.log shows: (II) ATI: Shared non-ATI VGA in PCI/AGP slot 1:0:0 detected |
| 12:12.30 | MaeWest | (EE) No devices detected |
| 12:12.32 | zarchne | Guerin: I forget who all that is, besides greycat. |
| 12:12.40 | MaeWest | Fatal Server error: No screens found |
| 12:12.43 | MaeWest | how do i fix this |
| 12:12.44 | Guerin | zarchne: /msg dpkg ops |
| 12:12.54 | sussudio | !tell MaeWest about noscreensfound |
| 12:13.22 | xoz | MaeWest: boot as single user and disable kdm or xdm or gdm |
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| 12:13.48 | xoz | MaeWest: ignore what i said |
| 12:13.49 | Guerin | MaeWest: stupid question: is ATI the corect driver? |
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| 12:14.08 | Guerin | because the error message seems to say it ain't |
| 12:14.21 | MaeWest | i dont know |
| 12:14.31 | MaeWest | i guessed |
| 12:14.32 | Guerin | MaeWest: what card is it? |
| 12:14.35 | jel | MaeWest, do lspci, and see what it says |
| 12:14.36 | Guerin | !guess |
| 12:14.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 12:14.39 | MaeWest | have the slightest idea |
| 12:14.41 | Gnea | MaeWest: you don't know what video card it is? |
| 12:14.46 | zarchne | well, helix and dondelelcaro are nominally here. |
| 12:14.51 | MaeWest | i figured it was an ati since i have a highend laptop |
| 12:15.02 | MaeWest | if i remember correct it is, let me look at the specs |
| 12:15.05 | Guerin | MaeWest: do what jel says |
| 12:15.05 | zarchne | helix: The topic here mentioning DSA 563-2 is obsolete; there's a 563-3 (...woody5) which appears to have fixed problems with sendmail in DSA 563-2 (...woody3). |
| 12:15.09 | Gnea | helix: i'm about to blow something up |
| 12:15.17 | helix | Gnea: please include yourself. |
| 12:15.26 | Gnea | helix: good idea. |
| 12:15.26 | xoz | MaeWest: try XFree86 -configure. and see what is detected |
| 12:15.46 | helix | zarchne: ok, thanks |
| 12:15.51 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 12:15.52 | Pepr | Hi everyone. I have been trying all night to build a new 2.6.8 kernel for my system (Woody). I am having no luck. I need to have PCMCIA_cs, and I am getting conflicting resources on how to do this... Any ideas.. |
| 12:15.55 | Gnea | i think i'll pass on the blowing things up idea and just go to bed :) |
| 12:16.07 | Gnea | i'll just reinstall the sparc later |
| 12:16.13 | *** topic/#debian by helix -> READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian is NOT Knoppix | GNOME 2.8? /msg dpkg gnome2.8 | sarge Base+Standard is now frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | NO GMAIL INVITES! | X.org questions -> /msg dpkg xorg | WOODY: the cyrus-sasl DSA (563-1) is broken. Use the one in DSA 563-3 |
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| 12:16.17 | Guerin | Gnea: dreaming about blowing things up isn't nearly as satisfying as actually doing it |
| 12:16.19 | sm | Does the current Sarge disk still have rescue mode? |
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| 12:16.24 | helix | zarchne: good enough? :) |
| 12:17.01 | Guerin | helix: s/like // |
| 12:17.05 | Gnea | Guerin: yeah well i'm dealing with some high sensitivity so i'm not gonna press my luck :P |
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| 12:17.06 | MaeWest | lspc says: nVidi Corporation: Unknown device 031a(reva1) |
| 12:17.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 12:17.12 | Guerin | hehe |
| 12:17.13 | zarchne | helix: good enough |
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| 12:17.22 | helix | Guerin: no, it's a song |
| 12:17.25 | Guerin | Gnea: if it's computer hardware, I feel your pain. |
| 12:17.28 | Guerin | helix: I know. |
| 12:17.37 | Pepr | Hi everyone. I have been trying all night to build a new 2.6.8 kernel for my system (Woody). I am having no luck. I need to have PCMCIA_cs, and I am getting conflicting resources on how to do this... Any ideas.. |
| 12:17.38 | Gnea | MaeWest: that says nvidia, not ati :) |
| 12:17.52 | DrPete | LSorensen: are you there? |
| 12:18.04 | Gnea | !tell Pepr about ask |
| 12:18.06 | Guerin | Pepr: woody doesn't do 2.6 ootb |
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| 12:18.26 | Guerin | !bunk |
| 12:18.26 | dpkg | bunk 2.6 is probably You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html |
| 12:18.28 | abrotman | thomas_adam: same email? |
| 12:18.30 | Guerin | Pepr: ^^ go there |
| 12:18.36 | Gnea | !tell Pepr about repeat |
| 12:18.43 | jel | MaeWest, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, and change ati to nv |
| 12:18.43 | loevborg | how do you guys use kernel-source (or modules) packages? I don't want to compile them as root (it's utterly unecessary), but /usr/src isn't owned by a user. |
| 12:18.48 | Guerin | xoz: cam? |
| 12:18.51 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yes, ta. |
| 12:18.51 | MaeWest | ok |
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| 12:19.23 | Gnea | MaeWest: you might wanna consider installing the commercial driver from nvidia.com |
| 12:19.23 | MaeWest | what do i put in the Identifier for the video card |
| 12:19.30 | xoz | Guerin: its more liquid |
| 12:19.31 | Guerin | noo |
| 12:19.37 | Guerin | MaeWest: just use nv |
| 12:19.40 | MaeWest | leave it Generic Video card? |
| 12:19.41 | MaeWest | ok |
| 12:19.48 | Gnea | Guerin: why? |
| 12:20.09 | MaeWest | omg its asking for the video card's bus identifer |
| 12:20.14 | MaeWest | i have the slightest idea what that is |
| 12:20.18 | Guerin | Gnea: because using/building the nvidia driver takes >0 skill, and it's non-free? |
| 12:20.20 | abrotman | thomas_adam: done |
| 12:20.28 | Guerin | MaeWest: it also says you can just hit enter |
| 12:20.31 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 12:20.31 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 12:20.32 | Gnea | i mean, i can understand, just to get it up and running |
| 12:20.39 | thomas_adam | Ah, A. Brotman.... |
| 12:20.40 | abrotman | thomas_adam: some day .. i should really ask my mom to write that out better :) |
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| 12:21.09 | Gnea | ok, bedtime |
| 12:21.16 | thomas_adam | "smoked ham butt"... |
| 12:21.18 | abrotman | thomas_adam: how's it look .. other than all those wacky measurements :) |
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| 12:21.26 | jel | MaeWest, yep, just press enter if you haven't already. But for what it's worth, lspci tells you that info too. |
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| 12:21.30 | helix | england! |
| 12:21.32 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Looks grand. |
| 12:21.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you know .. i've asked her about that many times .. she says all butchers know what you mean |
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| 12:21.40 | thomas_adam | helix: Defecting? :) |
| 12:21.48 | helix | no way, my teeth are too nice for england |
| 12:22.01 | thomas_adam | helix: How are you? |
| 12:22.05 | MaeWest | whats the best video mode for a 16.1 lcd (laptop) |
| 12:22.06 | helix | I'm good! |
| 12:22.10 | helix | except for this web design stuff. |
| 12:22.16 | abrotman | MaeWest: mode? |
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| 12:22.22 | abrotman | helix: web design? |
| 12:22.25 | Guerin | MaeWest: what have you run it in on windows? |
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| 12:22.29 | helix | abrotman: new LUG website |
| 12:22.29 | jel | MaeWest: you need to know what resolution your laptop display is. |
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| 12:22.33 | helix | hoho, tribe called quest |
| 12:22.35 | abrotman | helix: ewww .. |
| 12:22.39 | helix | can I kick it? yes I can! |
| 12:22.46 | helix | abrotman: ew? |
| 12:22.56 | abrotman | helix: CSS .. lug site .. |
| 12:23.04 | helix | abrotman: ah, well. we need a new site. |
| 12:23.15 | abrotman | helix: i'm a backend person more than a cutesy crap person |
| 12:23.15 | helix | actually, I demanded a new site because I hated updating the old one |
| 12:23.18 | helix | so it's up to me to fix0r it |
| 12:23.22 | jel | MaeWest, try 1024x768, if you're not sure |
| 12:23.24 | abrotman | i think the whole web should run on one font |
| 12:23.40 | abrotman | MaeWest: is it widescreen? |
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| 12:24.00 | jel | MaeWest, if it looks blurry or weird when it comes up, you'll know to change it :) |
| 12:24.06 | MaeWest | ok jei |
| 12:24.08 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Do i have to really worry about the dried loaf the night before... I mean, I can dry it out quickly for use tonight, no? |
| 12:24.19 | MaeWest | kinda @ abrotman . i havent used this one in months |
| 12:24.21 | helix | abrotman: oh, I like pretty stuff. like my website :) |
| 12:24.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you could speed it up by turned the over on uberlow .. or buy prediced bread i supposed |
| 12:24.35 | Sandman | Is Debian including newer drivers in their X package still? I know new versions of X are out of the question, but what about new drivers? |
| 12:24.35 | abrotman | suppose |
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| 12:24.41 | abrotman | helix: you have a grand website |
| 12:24.46 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Oooh, good point. |
| 12:24.51 | abrotman | MaeWest: is the monitor widescreen |
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| 12:25.03 | MaeWest | yes |
| 12:25.08 | Guerin | Sandman: every new revision will have more drivers in it, yeah. |
| 12:25.17 | abrotman | thomas_adam: make sense? |
| 12:25.17 | findme | anyone running openmosix |
| 12:25.18 | MaeWest | I bypassed and selected 1280X9 something |
| 12:25.19 | helix | abrotman: I redesigned it. now it has hot pink. |
| 12:25.28 | abrotman | helix: oh .. i have not seen |
| 12:25.29 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Yes, perfect sense. Just printing it out now... |
| 12:25.44 | MaeWest | (EE) No devices detected ... no screens found when i tired to run again |
| 12:25.46 | abrotman | helix: the old was better |
| 12:26.02 | Sandman | Guerin: Cool, thanks. |
| 12:26.05 | abrotman | thomas_adam: now .. if you need clarification .. i'd have to call my mom :) |
| 12:26.24 | helix | abrotman: why? |
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| 12:26.36 | abrotman | helix: was that a bday gift for me? :) |
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| 12:26.55 | abrotman | Guerin: kanidelles |
| 12:27.02 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Nope. It makes perfect sense to me. Ok, it's now 13:30. I'm off to the butchers and supermarket to get stuff. Toodles. |
| 12:27.03 | Guerin | !dict kanidelles |
| 12:27.05 | dpkg | could not find definition for kanidelles |
| 12:27.14 | abrotman | thomas_adam: have fun |
| 12:27.23 | thomas_adam | Thanks, abrotman. |
| 12:27.28 | helix | abrotman: was what? |
| 12:27.31 | helix | toodles! |
| 12:27.40 | MaeWest | what am i doing wrong |
| 12:27.46 | abrotman | helix: your website a gift for my bday :) |
| 12:27.57 | helix | abrotman: if it made you unhappy, then yes |
| 12:28.02 | jel | Maewest: you definitely chose nv? Does the full error message mention nv? |
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| 12:28.33 | abrotman | helix: how nice .. i think |
| 12:28.55 | helix | o_O |
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| 12:29.23 | MaeWest | (II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0 |
| 12:29.24 | MaeWest | (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device |
| 12:29.25 | MaeWest | (EE) No device detected. |
| 12:29.26 | MaeWest | Fatal Server Error: no screens found |
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| 12:29.28 | abrotman | Guerin: http://www.austria.org/sep99/dumplings.html .. most of the way down the page .. similar to TIROLER KNĂ–DEL |
| 12:29.42 | helix | thoreauputic: there is this song that says 'keep it thorough', right? so anyway, I live in a neighborhood called 'walden wood' or something, so I always say I 'keep it thoreau' ... |
| 12:29.44 | MaeWest | before that line has NV and lists driver chipsets etc etc |
| 12:29.58 | helix | MaeWest: no flooding in here, mmkay |
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| 12:30.03 | MaeWest | sorry hon |
| 12:30.06 | MaeWest | im new |
| 12:30.27 | helix | abrotman: why should your birthday be any different from every other day? |
| 12:30.37 | thoreauputic | helix: ah - sometimes this nick is underappreciated ;) |
| 12:30.45 | abrotman | helix: to make me unhappy? |
| 12:30.50 | helix | thoreauputic: heh |
| 12:30.50 | abrotman | helix: only 1 cat now? |
| 12:30.53 | helix | abrotman: yeah. yeah. |
| 12:31.00 | thoreauputic | helix: there are a few private word plays involved |
| 12:31.01 | MaeWest | any idea how to fix this |
| 12:31.04 | helix | abrotman: well, I have a new kitten that I haven't named yet. he looks like vladi.. |
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| 12:31.28 | helix | thoreauputic: oh. well, I got at least one or two of them a long time ago.. unless you're a recluse too. |
| 12:32.01 | abrotman | helix: ah .. good .. how about Tait? :) |
| 12:32.06 | helix | haha. |
| 12:32.26 | thoreauputic | helix: I am indeed a recluse (but not by nature ) |
| 12:32.29 | abrotman | no .. no Tait? |
| 12:32.42 | abrotman | you could name your kitty Tait .. sounds like fun |
| 12:32.52 | helix | abrotman: I don't think so |
| 12:32.56 | helix | I was thinking 'niels' |
| 12:33.00 | abrotman | helix: come on .. who else has that name |
| 12:33.01 | abrotman | ?? |
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| 12:33.11 | helix | well, max and niels. makes a lot of sense if you ask me. |
| 12:33.20 | helix | mr. planck and mr. bohr |
| 12:33.27 | helix | abrotman: dude. I know tait is your middle name. |
| 12:33.30 | abrotman | whoa |
| 12:33.31 | helix | which is why I say "NO!" |
| 12:33.31 | abrotman | easy |
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| 12:34.03 | abrotman | helix: you give your cats such nice names .. ours were like Specks,Tiger,Eclipse |
| 12:34.15 | helix | yeah, they do fizzix |
| 12:34.19 | sussudio | !do /whois |
| 12:34.24 | sussudio | hmm |
| 12:34.25 | abrotman | (of course ... Eclipse was all black .. and slept a lot .. and was a wheezer) |
| 12:34.40 | xoz | helix: quark or quasar |
| 12:34.46 | helix | xoz: I like human names |
| 12:35.06 | abrotman | yeah .. none of that meep crap :) |
| 12:35.17 | sussudio | !fuck abrotman |
| 12:35.20 | jel | MaeWest, that was ok. I'm not sure what's going on with it; hard to tell from here. It could be that the card is some weird variation, that you'll need an official driver for. It might be wise to try apt-get --purge remove xserver* and then apt-get install discover xwindow-system-core xserver-xfree86. Then, it should ask you everything again, using it's best guess for default answers. Just be sure it's set to nv, and you should be |
| 12:35.20 | jel | ok. If not, try installing the nvidia drivers. Sorry I can't spend more time on it :/ |
| 12:35.24 | sussudio | damned |
| 12:35.33 | abrotman | well .. wasn't that nice |
| 12:35.33 | xoz | helix: they will be when i have children |
| 12:35.38 | helix | heh |
| 12:35.40 | Guerin | someone souped up the !fuck command |
| 12:35.40 | abrotman | helix: what about bob? |
| 12:35.50 | helix | nah, no bob |
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| 12:36.01 | Guerin | !factinfo cmd: fuck (.*?) |
| 12:36.01 | dpkg | cmd: fuck (.*?) -- last modified at Fri Oct 31 22:06:24 2003 by fhffhqvb!fhff@81.68.128.2; it has been requested once, last by ninja_ at Sun Aug 1 18:36:00 2004. |
| 12:36.09 | helix | damn |
| 12:36.10 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:36.13 | helix | back when sussudio was in hiding |
| 12:36.17 | abrotman | that's not right |
| 12:36.23 | sussudio | it's not keeping track of who changes factoids anymore :-| |
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| 12:36.24 | abrotman | the request time isn't right |
| 12:36.49 | abrotman | unless dpkg has the wrong time |
| 12:36.50 | Guerin | by a year or so |
| 12:36.55 | abrotman | !date |
| 12:36.55 | dpkg | The current date is Sat Oct 16 12:36:56 2004 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 12:37.08 | abrotman | no . i mean the last request .. but ninja_ .. isn't right |
| 12:37.15 | abrotman | by ninja_ |
| 12:37.37 | nexis | im curious if anyone has had any success getting a older rca digital camera to work under linix at all, rca cds6300, ive looked on google for a few days now, and nothing |
| 12:37.53 | abrotman | i did'nt know rca made cameras |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | (so that would be a no from me) |
| 12:38.06 | Guerin | rca as in, uses rca jacks? |
| 12:38.10 | abrotman | nexis: gphoto doesn't say anything |
| 12:38.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:38.14 | Guerin | or is rca a camera company? |
| 12:38.17 | nexis | nothing from gphoto |
| 12:38.21 | nexis | rca as the company |
| 12:38.23 | nexis | its usb |
| 12:38.27 | abrotman | Guerin: RCA .. the phonograph company |
| 12:38.33 | Guerin | ah, them |
| 12:38.35 | Guerin | funky |
| 12:38.43 | abrotman | same as RCA jacks |
| 12:38.47 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:38.54 | Guerin | I'm getting the connection now |
| 12:38.54 | abrotman | thouhg .. i think they have a more official name |
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| 12:39.03 | nexis | i won it at work a few years ago, still works fine, just hopin to get it working under linux |
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| 12:39.10 | abrotman | helix: CSS sucks? |
| 12:39.43 | helix | only when it wasn't written by me |
| 12:39.43 | Guerin | nexis: what does it use for storage? |
| 12:39.43 | abrotman | helix: rewrite it? |
| 12:39.43 | abrotman | nexis: got windows? and if so .. how does it work under windows? |
| 12:39.51 | nexis | Guerin, cf |
| 12:39.53 | helix | abrotman: well, it's easier to replace stuff |
| 12:39.55 | abrotman | helix: are you good with CSS? or just hate other poeples? |
| 12:39.56 | nexis | so that was my next step |
| 12:39.56 | helix | this stylesheet is huge |
| 12:40.01 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 12:40.04 | zinx | CSS sucks :/ |
| 12:40.07 | nexis | abrotman, yea, under windows, its a twain aquire |
| 12:40.10 | helix | abrotman: no, I'm good with it. I'm mostly annoyed with not knowing what colors are where |
| 12:40.16 | abrotman | nexis: are you kidding? |
| 12:40.34 | nexis | abrotman, they provide some drivers for windows, but i perfer twain aquire |
| 12:40.42 | helix | so you need to mount it |
| 12:40.45 | abrotman | nexis: oh .. do you know how the drivers work? |
| 12:40.54 | nexis | abrotman, not a clue on that one |
| 12:40.57 | abrotman | helix: not all usb cameras work the same |
| 12:41.09 | abrotman | helix: some require a special protocol that sony thought was a good idea |
| 12:41.15 | nexis | yea, i tried the usb-storage module trick, no luck |
| 12:41.16 | abrotman | especially that old |
| 12:41.18 | Guerin | like anything made by canon |
| 12:41.20 | Guerin | fuckers |
| 12:41.23 | loevborg | Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 12:41.24 | abrotman | nexis: tried hotplug? |
| 12:41.30 | loevborg | what can I do to fix this? |
| 12:41.30 | nexis | abrotman, yea |
| 12:41.32 | asg | loevborg: run it as root |
| 12:41.35 | abrotman | the protocol is something like PPTP or some crap |
| 12:41.36 | zinx | uhm, lots of digital cameras use a proprietary protocol |
| 12:41.38 | MaeWest | my monitor is a nVidia® GeForce™ FX Go5600 Graphics Controller |
| 12:41.41 | loevborg | asg, I do |
| 12:41.42 | Guerin | nexis: time to go buy a cf card reader |
| 12:41.45 | abrotman | zinx: not anymore |
| 12:41.49 | asg | loevborg: then make sure another process isn't already running |
| 12:41.51 | zinx | abrotman: Still. |
| 12:41.51 | loevborg | asg, i ctrl+c-'d apt-get, that's why |
| 12:41.53 | nexis | yea, just hoping that i can read the files with a cf reader |
| 12:41.53 | zinx | abrotman: Really. |
| 12:41.55 | Guerin | MaeWest: nope, that's your graphics card |
| 12:41.58 | MaeWest | the card rather |
| 12:42.00 | xoz | loevborg: kill the process. lsof | grep lock |
| 12:42.05 | abrotman | zinx: most of them now work with mass storage .. appear as a drive in windows |
| 12:42.10 | abrotman | with no extra drivers |
| 12:42.11 | Jon | MaeWest: that sounds more like a graphics card |
| 12:42.11 | helix | Guerin: what's wrong with canon? |
| 12:42.20 | zinx | abrotman: but there are still lots that don't :P |
| 12:42.20 | MaeWest | yeah i meant card |
| 12:42.28 | abrotman | zinx: but as i said .. not anymore |
| 12:42.30 | loevborg | xoz, asg, never mind you were right of course |
| 12:42.31 | Guerin | helix: they use the special canon protocol for their cameras... instead of mass storage |
| 12:42.31 | abrotman | older ones yes |
| 12:42.35 | abrotman | but not so much anymore |
| 12:42.43 | Jon | MaeWest: module 'nv' should work. once up and running, you'll probably want to try the proprietry nvidia drivers |
| 12:42.44 | zinx | abrotman: and as i'm saying, there are STILL LOTS THAT DON'T. EVEN NOW. THAT'S WHAT STILL MEANS. |
| 12:42.48 | Guerin | I mean, lots of camera people do it, but that doesn't make it any less of a PITA |
| 12:42.59 | abrotman | I BROKE MY SHIFT KEY |
| 12:43.01 | loevborg | thanks. |
| 12:43.09 | asg | abrotman: use the right one :) |
| 12:43.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:43.17 | MaeWest | thats the thing jon, i cant get it up and running. Keeps says (EE) No devices detected |
| 12:43.27 | MaeWest | this is on my laptop |
| 12:43.31 | Jon | MaeWest: hang on a sec whilst I lastlog |
| 12:43.33 | helix | Guerin: ah. I just use gphoto2 with mine; no problems. I've never bothered trying to mount it.. |
| 12:43.36 | MaeWest | 16 in. UXGA TFT Active Matrix |
| 12:43.40 | MaeWest | ok |
| 12:43.46 | Guerin | MaeWest: time to install read-edid, discover and hotplug if they aren't already |
| 12:44.00 | MaeWest | ;-) lead the way |
| 12:44.19 | abrotman | nexis: you could ask #gphoto .. they may be able to help you a bit |
| 12:44.29 | MaeWest | installin now |
| 12:44.30 | Guerin | helix: yeah, photo2 works a charm with them. But before I knew that, I spent most of a day trying to get it working with mass storage, like my fuji and nikon use |
| 12:44.37 | zinx | abrotman: many of the cheaper cameras use proprietary protocols |
| 12:44.39 | helix | ah |
| 12:44.44 | helix | you have three digicams? rich boy. |
| 12:44.45 | nexis | and the funny part, on a lsusb, it shows up as Bus 002 Device 011: ID 069b:5557 Thomson, Inc. |
| 12:44.48 | nexis | kk, ill try in there |
| 12:44.53 | MaeWest | ok its installed Guerin |
| 12:44.56 | zinx | abrotman: (think < $50 range) |
| 12:45.00 | Guerin | helix: two, at different times... the canon was my mother's |
| 12:45.05 | Guerin | s/was/is/ |
| 12:45.07 | abrotman | zinx: you mean disposable? :) |
| 12:45.12 | zinx | abrotman: absolutely not. |
| 12:45.25 | helix | cold feet are so not awesome |
| 12:45.26 | Guerin | MaeWest: now try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again |
| 12:45.35 | zinx | nexis: search for that id |
| 12:45.37 | abrotman | zinx: if you buy a $50 camera .. you get what you desserve |
| 12:45.40 | zinx | nexis: instead of the name of the camera |
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| 12:45.48 | zinx | abrotman: that's not the point here :P |
| 12:45.52 | Guerin | discover, read-edid and/or hotplug should try to detect things for you |
| 12:46.13 | abrotman | zinx: i haven't played with a $50 camera .. everyone i tried worked with usb mass storage and hotplug |
| 12:46.48 | Guerin | helix: just put your PSU's output fan by your feet |
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| 12:46.53 | jel | oh man, they're still finding bugs in cp :D |
| 12:46.55 | helix | ah, socks. I am a genius. |
| 12:47.00 | abrotman | or cat |
| 12:47.00 | Guerin | haha |
| 12:47.01 | nexis | when i got the camera from work like 3 years ago, it was valued at like 400 bucks |
| 12:47.01 | abrotman | !! |
| 12:47.01 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 12:47.06 | abrotman | get a cat to lay on your feet! |
| 12:47.14 | Guerin | easier said than done |
| 12:47.18 | helix | abrotman: there is something very wrong with that sentence |
| 12:47.24 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:47.24 | helix | "get a cat to [...]" |
| 12:47.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:47.27 | helix | really now |
| 12:47.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:47.32 | abrotman | especially lay somewhere cold |
| 12:47.56 | Guerin | my cats'd be all like, no, YOU come and lay overe HERE |
| 12:48.02 | thoreauputic | helix: the double entendre was perhaps intentional? |
| 12:48.03 | abrotman | nexis: camera model again? |
| 12:48.12 | helix | mine would be like, "uh, wtf? your FEET? gtfo" |
| 12:48.16 | nexis | abrotman, rca cds6300 |
| 12:48.20 | helix | thoreauputic: maybe |
| 12:48.33 | helix | serpiente! |
| 12:48.41 | sussudio | champinon? |
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| 12:49.02 | abrotman | nexis: wow .. really . not a single thing |
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| 12:49.28 | Guerin | nexis: any gits on the vendor/model id? |
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| 12:49.39 | sussudio | helix: flashdance? |
| 12:49.44 | helix | totally. |
| 12:49.47 | abrotman | nexis: if you plug it into usb . can you get some device info? |
| 12:49.51 | nexis | Guerin, yea, one sec |
| 12:49.52 | helix | sussudio: did you ever see that movie "RAD"? |
| 12:49.58 | abrotman | oh .. i have |
| 12:50.00 | sussudio | helix: dunno |
| 12:50.01 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.02 | Guerin | abrotman: you're way behind. |
| 12:50.05 | abrotman | the BMX site |
| 12:50.08 | abrotman | err movie |
| 12:50.16 | helix | that movie was awesome |
| 12:50.16 | dor | when I run xfce4 it tells me GTK-warning cannot open display |
| 12:50.19 | abrotman | helix: it was |
| 12:50.29 | abrotman | helix: you and i may be the only people to admit that :) |
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| 12:50.40 | asg | !comfort sussudio |
| 12:50.40 | dpkg | There, there, sussudio. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 12:50.49 | abrotman | helix: http://imdb.com/title/tt0091817/ |
| 12:50.52 | Guerin | dor: have you installed an x server? |
| 12:50.59 | helix | http://thelastminute.typepad.com/blog/184205.1020.A.jpg <rad |
| 12:51.03 | dor | you mean xfree86? |
| 12:51.08 | Guerin | dor: yes |
| 12:51.12 | MaeWest | still says (EE) No devices detected |
| 12:51.14 | nexis | www.nexistech.net/cam.txt |
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| 12:51.16 | abrotman | i bet lori laughlin denies she made it |
| 12:51.20 | Jon | MaeWest: right erm, I'm going for a lie down. My advice would be to setup X with the vesa driver, then when thats working try moving to the nv one, then finally nvidia. |
| 12:51.22 | dor | heh, no , I thought it's a windows manager, ;\ |
| 12:51.23 | nexis | thats the output from lsusb -v for the device |
| 12:51.37 | MaeWest | ok |
| 12:51.47 | Guerin | MaeWest: yeah,, try vesa driver. But if nv doesn't work, i don't see why vesa will. |
| 12:51.53 | dor | anyway , how can I install x.org ? |
| 12:51.59 | asg | dor: /topic |
| 12:52.00 | Guerin | dor: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 12:52.08 | Guerin | !get xorg |
| 12:52.08 | dpkg | hmm... get xorg is see http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. If you whine about your xorg problems in #debian, we will show no mercy. |
| 12:52.22 | JoejJ | Hello there, I've got a problem.. I try do remove webmin-core but it doesn't work... There are some error messages: |
| 12:52.24 | JoejJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.25 | dor | !get xorg |
| 12:52.26 | dpkg | i heard get xorg is see http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. If you whine about your xorg problems in #debian, we will show no mercy. |
| 12:52.36 | JoejJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.37 | dor | thanks alot guys |
| 12:52.43 | JoejJ | What could I do? |
| 12:52.44 | abrotman | oh .. don't thank us yet |
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| 12:52.48 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a Display Manager, that will let me choose my default Window System (ie. KDE, GNOME, WindowMaker)? |
| 12:52.53 | asg | JoejJ: touch /etc/webmin/webmin.acl |
| 12:52.54 | nexis | JoejJ, try touch /etc/webmin/webmin.acl |
| 12:52.55 | JoejJ | Can I remove a package by hand ? |
| 12:52.56 | abrotman | stop using webmin .. it's a piece of shit |
| 12:52.57 | nexis | then remove it again |
| 12:53.05 | dor | hmm |
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| 12:53.25 | MaeWest | lol , same thingn no screens |
| 12:53.26 | dor | how do I copy it from those links from bitchx to bash? |
| 12:53.26 | JoejJ | nexis: you mean open it with vi and create an empty file? |
| 12:53.28 | nexis | if you can do it with webmin, you can do it with console 3 times better |
| 12:53.36 | nexis | JoejJ, no, just type touch /etc/webmin/webmin.acl |
| 12:54.00 | asg | abrotman: is that a veiled sexual reference? |
| 12:54.02 | abrotman | nexis: i suppose you could always pay a kernel developer to make the drvers? |
| 12:54.07 | dor | !get x.org |
| 12:54.09 | takatumi | Led_Zeppelin: gdm |
| 12:54.11 | dor | !get xorg |
| 12:54.11 | dpkg | i guess get xorg is see http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. If you whine about your xorg problems in #debian, we will show no mercy. |
| 12:54.14 | abrotman | asg: no . bratwurst |
| 12:54.29 | asg | dor: use /msg dpkg get xorg (we don't need to see the factoid every 5 seconds in channel) |
| 12:54.29 | nexis | abrotman, or i could say screw it, and get a new camera, give this one to my parrents |
| 12:54.30 | abrotman | dor: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 12:54.37 | abrotman | nexis: oh yeah .. good point :) |
| 12:54.38 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 12:54.38 | dor | how do I copy links from bitchx? (got no mouse) |
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| 12:54.44 | abrotman | nexis: any good reason to keep this camera? |
| 12:54.50 | nexis | im cheap |
| 12:54.55 | jel | Led_Zeppelin: both kdm and gdm allow that (actually, debian helps them to :) |
| 12:54.57 | asg | dor: use screen + bitchx and it's cut and paste features |
| 12:55.00 | abrotman | nexis: better yet . send it to a kernel developer :) |
| 12:55.16 | abrotman | dor: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 12:55.18 | asg | dor: or just type them in switching between consoles. |
| 12:55.23 | abrotman | dor: then it will stop scrolling away |
| 12:55.25 | dor | ok, thanks |
| 12:55.35 | nexis | abrotman, and is this the point where you give me your address, and tell me your a kernel developer? |
| 12:55.38 | abrotman | and stop using bitchx |
| 12:55.41 | asg | !apostrophesmite asg |
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| 12:55.55 | helix | my god, why is control@bugs.d.o stuck in my paste buffer |
| 12:56.03 | abrotman | nexis: hardly .. i can hold my own with PHP .. and that's about the end of it .. ok yes i do know C/C++ but not that much |
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| 12:56.11 | abrotman | well .. |
| 12:56.12 | abrotman | wait |
| 12:56.18 | MaeWest | anyone have any idea how i can solve this dreaded problem on this laptop |
| 12:56.18 | abrotman | i do know a fair bit . but i'm out of practice |
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| 12:56.27 | abrotman | i better know a decent amount after 6yrs of college |
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| 12:56.38 | nexis | if i knew a little more about molesting hardware, i could make it an adventure, and write a module |
| 12:56.46 | draconis | Is it possile to authorize a login on a linux box by a NT domain? |
| 12:56.48 | JoejJ | nexis: WHOW, THANKS !!! It works... |
| 12:56.52 | abrotman | nexis: you could try the kernel developers book |
| 12:57.02 | abrotman | draconis: yes |
| 12:57.06 | draconis | \o/ |
| 12:57.10 | abrotman | draconis: wait .. NT or 2k? |
| 12:57.27 | nexis | abrotman, but that requires reading, reading requires time, time is something i dont really have |
| 12:57.41 | abrotman | nexis: well .. your parents will appreciate it :) |
| 12:57.42 | draconis | abrotman: NT |
| 12:57.45 | nexis | yea |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | draconis: that i'm not sure .. 2k uses ldap .. kind of .. NT .. i think you may be fucked |
| 12:58.13 | draconis | is it ldap owwwww |
| 12:58.17 | asg | draconis: check the samba book at oreilly.com/openbook |
| 12:58.19 | nexis | anyone have any sugestions on good digital cameras that are well supported? |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | nexis: mine is |
| 12:58.32 | nexis | abrotman, what you got? |
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| 12:58.37 | abrotman | nexis: olympus C730UZ .. newer models sohuld be the same |
| 12:58.42 | asg | abrotman: you can also use pam_krb5 if it's AD based. |
| 12:58.44 | thoreauputic | nexis: I recommend a tripod |
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| 12:59.00 | cahoot | nexis: my canaon G5 is well handled by digikam |
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| 12:59.02 | abrotman | asg: that's why i asked about nt vs 2k/2k3 |
| 12:59.08 | nexis | a small camera is also a plus |
| 12:59.11 | abrotman | asg: but i'm not sure krb5 even works with NT |
| 12:59.11 | xoz | nexis: nikon D70 :) |
| 12:59.21 | nexis | this one is a little big to go clubbing with |
| 12:59.24 | asg | abrotman: not with NT4 |
| 12:59.38 | abrotman | asg: yeah .. i guess he'd maybe ask #samba |
| 13:00.21 | abrotman | draconis: maybe poke #samba a bit .. but they may get upset |
| 13:00.21 | asg | abrotman: there should be pretty good info in the Using Samba book at oreilly.com/openbook |
| 13:00.21 | abrotman | asg: i don't think its a smaba issue |
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| 13:00.41 | asg | abrotman: there might be a pam_ntlm that will work with NT4 |
| 13:00.50 | nexis | you know, now, im kicking myself in the ass, i saw these cf readers at walmart like 3 months ago for 10 bucks |
| 13:01.00 | abrotman | asg: ewww |
| 13:01.06 | abrotman | nexis: so go back and get one |
| 13:01.17 | asg | abrotman: agreed |
| 13:01.24 | abrotman | hmm .. new camera >$300 .. card reader .. $15 |
| 13:01.45 | nexis | abrotman, they were in the clearance area |
| 13:01.46 | asg | abrotman: yeah, even an 8-in-1 reader is cheap these days |
| 13:02.12 | abrotman | yep |
| 13:02.19 | abrotman | nexis: still .. not that much |
| 13:02.40 | nexis | abrotman, if they are in the clearance area, they are gettin rid of them |
| 13:02.50 | nexis | i may look into a 8-in-1 reader |
| 13:02.53 | abrotman | nexis: but still .. they only cost $15 |
| 13:02.59 | nexis | yea |
| 13:03.15 | nexis | why cant things just be as simple as my video cam? |
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| 13:03.35 | asg | nexis: same reason I can't sync my Axim X30 with my linux box |
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| 13:04.34 | nexis | yea |
| 13:04.41 | nexis | i still love my sony handicam |
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| 13:04.57 | MaeWest | if i download the drivers from nvidia , will that fix this problem? |
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| 13:05.20 | asg | MaeWest: try the debs first (/msg dpkg nvidia) if you want to go that route. |
| 13:05.21 | abrotman | asg: dell sucks? |
| 13:05.28 | nexis | dell is evil |
| 13:05.32 | nexis | dude, your going to hell |
| 13:05.32 | asg | abrotman: yeah, work forced me to have the Axim for testing. |
| 13:05.45 | abrotman | some dells . the CPU can't be removed |
| 13:05.48 | asg | abrotman: makes a fine mp3 player though (which is what I use it for) |
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