| 00:00.02 | streuner | khaled: /msg dpkg knoppix2debian |
| 00:00.04 | streuner | ;-) |
| 00:00.18 | herbi | amyb, no. xchat2 is gtk2+ gui, irssi is console based, although there are some gtk and qt based wrappers |
| 00:00.30 | herbi | like irssi-gtk, etc |
| 00:00.36 | herbi | which i dont mind, actually. |
| 00:00.46 | khaled | thank you :DD |
| 00:00.47 | amyb | ahh thanks herbi. I will look at xchat. |
| 00:01.08 | herbi | youre welcome. i expect a pie in the mail. |
| 00:01.57 | amyb | one mud pie on it's way. |
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| 00:03.35 | amyb | um this may be a silly question, but the screenshots of xchat are under gnome. this will work under KDE won't it? |
| 00:03.53 | pizzahawai | its possible to downgrade to the actual packages in the sources.list with apt without having to give him alle the package names? |
| 00:04.16 | herbi | amyb, yeah |
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| 00:04.34 | herbi | apt-get it and everything will work |
| 00:04.38 | andrew` | hmm |
| 00:04.43 | andrew` | make-kpkg is going to make clean isn't it |
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| 00:05.01 | PerfDave | pizzahawai: Downgrading is generally very very difficult unless you know an awful lot about how Debian packaging works, and even then it's frequently impossible. |
| 00:05.09 | vittorio | ROOOOOOT has landed? what does this mean? |
| 00:05.09 | PerfDave | pizzahawai: What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:05.09 | arafel | amyb: yes it will |
| 00:05.20 | andrew` | ugh |
| 00:05.21 | PerfDave | vittorio: It means that somebody is IRCing as root, which is a bad idea. |
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| 00:05.24 | andrew` | i should just do it the traditional way |
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| 00:05.35 | vittorio | PerfDave, ah, nice advice |
| 00:05.44 | PerfDave | andrew`: What problem are you having with make-kpkg? |
| 00:05.44 | Phated | amyb: Most GNOME/KDE apps will work almost anywhere, even out of their own waters, ie, grip, the gnome ripper, works nicely in KDE as well, and in other WMs too. :) |
| 00:05.48 | pizzahawai | PerfDave: i want to downgrade all my experimental packages to unstable, i just tried gnome2.8 |
| 00:05.58 | andrew` | it crashed the system |
| 00:06.05 | andrew` | well, the compile did... |
| 00:06.15 | andrew` | and now i guess it will make clean and destroy the 4.5 hours already spent compiling :) |
| 00:06.27 | deadcat | some of the g<apps> are gtk<apps> not gnome<apps> |
| 00:06.44 | PerfDave | pizzahawai: Hmm, you should be able to pin the sid packages to a higher priority than the experimental ones (or just remove the pin which gives preferences to experimental packages) and dist-upgrade, but I've not tried it myself. |
| 00:07.07 | PerfDave | andrew`: I don't think make-kpkg does "make clean" unless you ask it to (with make-kpkg clean). |
| 00:07.13 | andrew` | oh good :) |
| 00:07.21 | andrew` | i just read it 'takes care of all that for you' earlier and was leery |
| 00:07.31 | PerfDave | andrew`: In future, run make-kpkg in screen or nohup. And use ccache ;) |
| 00:07.33 | arafel | andrew`: silly question, but this is just the kernel you're building...? 4h35 is a huge amount of time to spend building the kernel. |
| 00:07.45 | pizzahawai | PerfDave: oh, i thought apt decides to upgrade or downgrade looking at the version number? |
| 00:07.50 | pizzahawai | ok, i'll try that |
| 00:07.57 | PerfDave | pizzahawai: Normally it does, but you can use pinning to override that. |
| 00:08.06 | andrew` | arafel: yep, this is on a peice of celery |
| 00:08.11 | PerfDave | pizzahawai: Uhm, didn't you have to play with pinning to get gnome2.8 in the first place? |
| 00:08.12 | pizzahawai | ah ok, thx, i'll try that |
| 00:08.12 | Phated | arafel: Sadly not all of us have a blazing PIV, soo... :) I usually have my kernel running for about six hours. |
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| 00:08.16 | andrew` | nice, it is back to the sounds already |
| 00:08.19 | arafel | andrew`: that would explain it. |
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| 00:08.36 | arafel | Phated: <blink> it didn't take that long even on my ancient Cyrix... |
| 00:08.38 | pizzahawai | PerfDave: pinning like -t experimental? |
| 00:08.46 | pizzahawai | or package/unstable |
| 00:08.52 | Phated | arafel: Dunno, but I'm lazy enough to start it and then go to sleep. :) |
| 00:09.00 | pizzahawai | PerfDave: yes, i did |
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| 00:09.11 | andrew` | I remember when I got my PII-266 I could compile a kernel in 2 mins and 35 seconds |
| 00:09.20 | PerfDave | pizzahawai: Ooh, is that all you need to do? I thought you needed to do an explicit pin in your APT preferences |
| 00:09.29 | andrew` | things sure have changed |
| 00:09.33 | Phated | WHAT? My kernel NEVER compiles in 2 min+. |
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| 00:09.57 | pizzahawai | PerfDave: no, it doesn't seems so ;) I never used pinning... |
| 00:10.04 | pizzahawai | oh no, yes, i used it |
| 00:10.09 | pizzahawai | *remember* |
| 00:10.44 | andrew` | that was when that machine was new, kernels were smaller back then ;) |
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| 00:11.11 | arafel | "printk("hello world!\n"); return 0;" |
| 00:11.21 | Phated | Ohhh, true. 'sides I have an ancient (by today's standards) PIII 500. |
| 00:11.45 | andrew` | my main machine i'm typing on now is a PIII-450 :) |
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| 00:12.04 | Phated | Heh. |
| 00:12.05 | PerfDave | I'm IRCing fom a Pentium 233MMX :) |
| 00:12.07 | cafuego | Phated: Hmm, the server here is a P3/600 |
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| 00:12.11 | pizzahawai | another issue... i spent two nights trying to get framebuffer working (acer travelmate, i810 chip), and i am searching someone who solved this problem |
| 00:12.15 | MaeWest | I finally got sarge installed, and x windows is working. Since they didnt have my nvidia drive, i selected VESA just to get it running. How do i upgrade to the nvidia driver? |
| 00:12.20 | pizzahawai | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 00:12.30 | PerfDave | MaeWest: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 00:12.49 | Phated | cafuego: It doesn't run X, does it? ;) |
| 00:12.53 | MaeWest | ok, im in X , how do i get back to the console |
| 00:12.55 | PerfDave | MaeWest: Or select the "nv" driver if you don't care about 3d performance and don't want the hassle of installing some non-Free malarkey. |
| 00:13.01 | cafuego | Phated: On a production server? |
| 00:13.14 | Phated | cafuego: Well don't sue me technically I'm a server of sorts too. |
| 00:13.20 | cafuego | Phated: My wife's G3/350 runs X (kde 3.3) though. |
| 00:13.21 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, I still can't find my monitors Specs to get the Sync data to get better Res than 1024, are there any "standard" rates to use? |
| 00:13.45 | PerfDave | MaeWest: Either quit your window manager and login manager (if you're using one), control-alt-backspace to kill X, or ctrl-alt-f1 to get to a console (and alt-f7 to get back to X). |
| 00:13.53 | Phated | cafuego: KDE 3.3... most impressive. |
| 00:14.03 | PerfDave | MaeWest: But we have these wonderful applications called "xterms" which let you run a console *inside* X |
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| 00:14.10 | cafuego | It's not *fast* but certainly faster then OSX. |
| 00:14.14 | WiFiTux | cafuego, is that a Wallstreet? |
| 00:14.21 | pijani_lovac | hi, I want to set an ulimiit only for one user, not for all. how can I do that? |
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| 00:14.30 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: why not put something light on it and have it be fast? |
| 00:14.35 | cafuego | WiFiTux: no, B&W G3 Workgroup Server (fully u/w scsi) |
| 00:14.43 | Phated | cafuego: Neither is mine but definitely faster than Win98... oh wait EVERYTHING'S faster than Win98 except WinXP... |
| 00:14.45 | spikeb | cool cafuego that's a nice machine |
| 00:15.00 | PerfDave | Phated: Win98 is miles faster than Win2K and WinXP IME. |
| 00:15.08 | cafuego | spikeb: getting a bit crusty though |
| 00:15.17 | Phated | PerfDave: Yes, I know. |
| 00:15.21 | spikeb | cafuego yeah, they always do :( |
| 00:15.24 | Phated | PerfDave: Wot's IME? |
| 00:15.28 | AlOnSO | fuck your mom |
| 00:15.31 | cafuego | spikeb: it has a bios issue where it can't have ANY ide drives in it, or it won't boot - so I can't add decent space to it. |
| 00:15.32 | AlOnSO | kara de verga |
| 00:15.34 | spikeb | btw, for any developers in here - the sarge installer is very nice. |
| 00:15.34 | PerfDave | Phated: In My Experience |
| 00:15.37 | deadcat | pijani_lovac: one way is to put [ "$UID" = whatevertyeid ] && ulimit blah in /etc/profile |
| 00:15.42 | WiFiTux | AlOnSO, WTF? |
| 00:15.45 | Xenguy | ww |
| 00:15.45 | Phated | PerfDave: Aaah. |
| 00:15.45 | PerfDave | spikeb: Did you file an installation report? |
| 00:15.48 | AlOnSO | kara de pito de baka |
| 00:15.55 | spikeb | PerfDave no, never occured to me to do so |
| 00:16.00 | spikeb | i should do that |
| 00:16.05 | Phated | Japanese! We -are- getting some classy trolls. |
| 00:16.06 | AlOnSO | jajajja |
| 00:16.14 | AlOnSO | piece of shit |
| 00:16.15 | WiFiTux | AlOnSO, haha #debian-es |
| 00:16.25 | PerfDave | spikeb: Yes, you should ;) |
| 00:16.29 | Phated | WiFiTux: Can you just ignore the damn troll? |
| 00:16.29 | WiFiTux | AlOnSO, ya parela... |
| 00:16.52 | Phated | cafuego: Pffft, 512 RAM is sufficient for X. |
| 00:16.54 | WiFiTux | Phated, yes i can. :) Why, you guys normally ignore them and that's it? |
| 00:16.55 | AlOnSO | no maMS |
| 00:16.59 | PerfDave | I need to get hold of a non-x86 architecture to run Debian, will wait for one of the Uni departments to throw out a bunch of Sparc kit and adopt one. |
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| 00:17.22 | WiFiTux | Phated, just asking here... |
| 00:17.25 | Phated | WiFiTux: Well we can yell for an op but why bother with them at all? Oh wait hang on, he's one of your kind, do go on fraternising then. |
| 00:17.38 | arafel | but not in here. |
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| 00:18.04 | PerfDave | I should probably set up some irssi thing automate "/ignore for 24 hours". |
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| 00:18.25 | PerfDave | Or some horrible CTCP thing which means /ignore gets set on the proxy irssi, not the client irssi, so my other irssi client doesn't see it either. |
| 00:18.28 | WiFiTux | Phated, what's wrong with you? calm down. Actually let me ignore you. |
| 00:18.35 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, that's a good idea. |
| 00:18.43 | caphuso | PerfDave: /ignore -time 86400 foo |
| 00:18.48 | Phated | Heh. |
| 00:18.49 | PerfDave | caphuso: Ooh, schweet |
| 00:18.51 | cafuego | for 24 hours? I find that once an IP has been infected with troll it's best to ignore the entire network range for all eternity. |
| 00:18.58 | WiFiTux | caphuso, nice... |
| 00:19.09 | arafel | WiFiTux: if you ignore them, they usually go away. this is a Good Thing. :) |
| 00:19.13 | Xenguy | caphuso: that's already in irssi? |
| 00:19.16 | WiFiTux | !candy caphuso |
| 00:19.17 | caphuso | Xenguy: yes |
| 00:19.22 | Phated | Hm I do believe I ignore WiFiTux yesterday... Oh wait I unignored him to watch the fun. |
| 00:19.24 | Xenguy | caphuso: woohoo! |
| 00:19.32 | WiFiTux | arafel, good idea... |
| 00:19.42 | WiFiTux | Phated, :) |
| 00:19.43 | caphuso | it's also quite prominently documented in "/help ignore" |
| 00:20.02 | Xenguy | caphuso: oh I never read man pages man... |
| 00:20.07 | Phated | WiFiTux: I thought you were going to ignore me. :) |
| 00:20.08 | pizzahawai | PerfDave: doesn't seem to work with pinning |
| 00:20.15 | caphuso | Xenguy: you don't need to... |
| 00:20.19 | Xenguy | haha |
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| 00:20.27 | darkskiez | whats the crack with rcconf being in stable and unstable but not testing? |
| 00:20.37 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: you should be so lucky |
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| 00:20.46 | WiFiTux | Phated, I don't. I fell the anger in them, just that. Please ignore me, and again do not categorize me. Thanks. |
| 00:20.56 | Xenguy | darkskiez: I didn't know it was in stable |
| 00:20.59 | Phated | WiFiTux: Eh? |
| 00:21.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: One wishes. |
| 00:21.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: indeed |
| 00:21.14 | Xenguy | darkskiez: there's something called sysvconfig - dunno how well it works tho |
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| 00:21.20 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite WiFiTux |
| 00:21.21 | PerfDave | /alias ignore1h /ignore -time 3600 |
| 00:21.23 | PerfDave | Victory |
| 00:21.27 | pijani_lovac | deadcat: /etc/profile doesn't exist |
| 00:21.29 | caphuso | darkskiez: got removed from testing because of a policy violation |
| 00:21.39 | WiFiTux | scarynetworkguy, hehe, nice.... |
| 00:21.42 | PerfDave | caphuso: I don't like having a big /ignore list |
| 00:21.47 | darkskiez | caphuso: cheers |
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| 00:22.32 | Phated | PerfDave: Same goes. Oh wait and my ex. So four. :) |
| 00:22.35 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, ignore shouldn't be needed. I think that what OP's are for. But i guess people have their ways. |
| 00:22.45 | darkskiez | Xenguy: will have a look ta |
| 00:22.53 | WiFiTux | Phated, hehe |
| 00:22.54 | Phated | WiFiTux: Ignores work well for cleaning up JOINS PARTS QUITS, so. :) |
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| 00:23.07 | darkskiez | Xenguy: ooo nice |
| 00:23.14 | WiFiTux | Phated, you are right there... |
| 00:23.22 | darkskiez | Xenguy: shows other stuff too |
| 00:23.35 | arafel | the other option is to use a client which doesn't dump those in the channel in the first place ;-) |
| 00:23.39 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Sometimes ops aren't around, or somebody is flooding the channel (but not fast enough to get kicked) |
| 00:23.40 | Phated | WiFiTux: Indeed. |
| 00:23.46 | foxcokk | i ahve a fat32 partiion on my disk but i cant see it in debian. i want to mount it, but i dont know what to put for the fs type. mount -t ???? /dev/hda3 /fatpart |
| 00:23.55 | caphuso | or just a moron that happens to be on topic |
| 00:23.55 | Phated | foxcokk: vfat |
| 00:23.58 | foxcokk | thanks |
| 00:24.04 | caphuso | i hate those |
| 00:24.07 | Phated | caphuso: Why then we should just ban everyone... |
| 00:24.17 | Phated | caphuso: Because we get enough of those. :/ |
| 00:24.19 | QuaD- | can anyone in here tell me why when i run doom3, the background is pitch black? |
| 00:24.23 | WiFiTux | Phated, I don't like arguing. I would buy you a beer if I could. :/ |
| 00:24.30 | arafel | QuaD-: turn your monitor on. |
| 00:24.32 | QuaD- | first it is normal, then freezes for like 10 seconds, then turns black |
| 00:24.33 | QuaD- | haah |
| 00:24.38 | PerfDave | WiFiTux is a lover, not a fighter! |
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| 00:24.42 | caphuso | Phated: that'd be cute, but would probably suffer from a too high rate of false positives :-) |
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| 00:24.54 | Phated | caphuso: Indeed. |
| 00:24.55 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, make love, not war |
| 00:25.08 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: make-kpkg kernel_image, not war. |
| 00:25.16 | Phated | WiFiTux: Dude, I've stopped arguing with you, really. *pout* |
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| 00:25.20 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, ohh that's the debian way. |
| 00:25.23 | PerfDave | Damn, the Debian Way doesn't really have the same ring to it, does it? |
| 00:25.31 | Phated | PerfDave: No, it does not. |
| 00:25.39 | PerfDave | TheBlueWizard: Pervert! |
| 00:25.42 | Phated | TheBlueWizard: That was just too much innuendo. |
| 00:25.43 | WiFiTux | no |
| 00:25.47 | foxcokk | phated: says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superclick or too many mounted fs's... |
| 00:25.55 | Phated | TheBlueWizard: Would you happen to be British? |
| 00:25.59 | foxcokk | superblock* |
| 00:25.59 | Phated | foxcokk: Hm. |
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| 00:26.13 | TheBlueWizard | Phated: nope...I'm an American |
| 00:26.19 | foxcokk | i'm pretty sure its hda3.. but i'm not sure |
| 00:26.24 | foxcokk | how can i check? |
| 00:26.30 | arafel | Phated: where was the connection to being british?! |
| 00:26.30 | Xsquared | i want to use gaim on my box (from the stable section) but the MSN plugin doesn't work because the protocol has changed.. where would i be able to find a patch? |
| 00:26.36 | PerfDave | Phated: Hah, your theory has been disproved! |
| 00:26.41 | Phated | Interesting. I was sure it was mostly the Brits who turned EVERYTHING into innuendo. |
| 00:26.46 | Phated | PerfDave: It was scarynetworkguy's, not mine. |
| 00:26.49 | PerfDave | Xsquared: There may be a more recent version at backports.org ? |
| 00:26.50 | Phated | arafel: See above. |
| 00:26.56 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Hah, your theory has been disproved! |
| 00:27.11 | arafel | Phated: usually the french or italians. or dutch. |
| 00:27.15 | arafel | actually, just men in general. |
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| 00:27.32 | Phated | arafel: Join #debian-offtopic sometime... |
| 00:27.35 | Xsquared | PerfDave: wow, i've never seen that site before. Thanks heaps :-D |
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| 00:27.41 | PerfDave | Xsquared: No worries |
| 00:27.50 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, me me! |
| 00:27.55 | Xenguy | hahah |
| 00:28.01 | foxcokk | phated: any ideas |
| 00:28.08 | Phated | arafel: And then you'll see why scarynetworkguy believes that all Brits turn EVERYTHING into innuendo. |
| 00:28.11 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: yer askin for it man! ;-) |
| 00:28.11 | Phated | foxcokk: Hold one. |
| 00:28.18 | foxcokk | k |
| 00:28.33 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, give it a shot... 10 minutes, or 10 years.. :/ |
| 00:28.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: near as I can tell :D |
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| 00:29.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 00:29.11 | arafel | not everything. and not just us, either. |
| 00:29.17 | WiFiTux | dpkg: say Xenguy did you ignore WiFiTux ? |
| 00:29.18 | dpkg | Xenguy did you ignore WiFiTux |
| 00:29.27 | WiFiTux | hmm ? bug |
| 00:29.40 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: nah, I only /ignore temporarily also (seeing as sometimes I'm perfectly civil, and other times I'm worth ignoring too ;-) |
| 00:30.03 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, I was just saying for the test of it, anyway. |
| 00:30.12 | Phated | foxcokk: I'm really not sure... I know that vfat is the correct filetype... what was the command you typed again? |
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| 00:32.25 | WiFiTux | !soapboxing |
| 00:32.45 | WiFiTux | !soap boxing |
| 00:32.57 | darkskiez | i give up, what is it? |
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| 00:33.32 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: OK, I'm ready; keep talkin -- you just bought yerself 5 minutes ;-) |
| 00:33.38 | WiFiTux | ohh boy. There are no ! for soap boxing |
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| 00:34.03 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, don't make me spam you! ;) |
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| 00:34.25 | Xenguy | (la la la -- I'm not listening!) |
| 00:34.28 | jharrison | OI |
| 00:34.34 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 00:34.53 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 00:34.53 | holo | jharrison, oi |
| 00:35.09 | jharrison | holo: what's up mate |
| 00:35.21 | holo | jharrison, tudo nice |
| 00:35.26 | asz | what controls which window manager is loaded when you start X? |
| 00:35.44 | WiFiTux | someone knows how can i recover a previously used connection, like example, i'm connected to the server with a monitor in a tty, then with another computer get it, can I jump into that same tty? |
| 00:36.09 | WiFiTux | get in with ssh and use the same tty |
| 00:36.11 | nevyn | azulema: .xdefault followed by x-session-manager then x-window-manager |
| 00:36.12 | jharrison | anyone want to recommend what they feel is a good linux compatible digital camera? |
| 00:36.39 | WiFiTux | jharrison, there is a big list of compatible camaras. the crappy Intel one's work. |
| 00:36.42 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: screen? |
| 00:36.48 | caphuso | jharrison: any one that identifies itself as usb mass storage device will work |
| 00:36.50 | nevyn | jharrison: what do you want to spend? |
| 00:36.51 | asz | .xdefault is in the home directory of the user, right? |
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| 00:37.03 | caphuso | asz: use ~/.Xresources instead |
| 00:37.17 | nevyn | azulema: my bad .Xresources |
| 00:37.21 | nevyn | yes. |
| 00:37.22 | asz | ok, I'll check that out |
| 00:37.25 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, well, 1. I'm physically in the PC, then leave the tty open, go to another desk and ssh the same pc, can I use the same tty I was using? |
| 00:37.29 | PerfDave | jharrison: I haven't tried using it with Linux, but I think my Canon PowerShot is gphoto-supported. But I just tend to stick the CF card in the USB card reader instead - I don't have a mains adapter so using it as a webcam would chew battery. |
| 00:37.35 | jharrison | nevyn: about 300 or less |
| 00:37.38 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Use screen ;) |
| 00:37.46 | nevyn | jharrison: USD? |
| 00:37.49 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, ohhhhh ;) jiji |
| 00:38.02 | jharrison | nevyn: USB is better :-P |
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| 00:38.55 | nevyn | jharrison: what currency is that 300 in? |
| 00:38.55 | asz | the situation I'm in is this - this laptop is a complete bitch to do hardware setup on, but Xandros made it painless... however, Xandros deviates from what I'm used to by enough that I feel like I'm fighting the "user friendly" to get at what I want to do |
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| 00:38.55 | jharrison | nevyn: Bahamian |
| 00:38.55 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: That's what I do - I have screen running with my IRC client and mail client on. When I'm on my desktop, I can watch DVDs or whatever while I IRC, but if the desktop's powered off I just log in on the tty of my webserver and reattach the screen. |
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| 00:38.55 | jharrison | nevyn: actually its the same as US |
| 00:38.55 | jharrison | nevyn: I would use my credit card |
| 00:38.55 | jharrison | nevyn: so thats no problem |
| 00:38.55 | nevyn | jharrison: ok.. so about $500 my money |
| 00:39.04 | jharrison | nevyn: what is your money? |
| 00:39.06 | PerfDave | asz: Have you tried the Sarge installer to install Debian proper? And checked http://www.linux-laptops.net/ and the debian-laptop mailing list? |
| 00:39.08 | nevyn | pacific peso's also known as australian dollars |
| 00:39.11 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, yeahhh!!! I won't do that much comlicated, but yes. |
| 00:39.14 | jharrison | ok |
| 00:39.22 | jharrison | nevyn: so yeah about 300 US or less |
| 00:39.41 | jharrison | PerfDave: so as long as the camera has a memory card I could use a card reader instead? |
| 00:39.48 | asz | nope, haven't seen that stuff - it's been since June that I installed this thing |
| 00:39.48 | nevyn | jharrison: that's correct |
| 00:39.53 | jharrison | hhmmm |
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| 00:40.06 | jharrison | amazon has a sale on a sony p41 |
| 00:40.06 | g4sy | hey guys |
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| 00:40.13 | jharrison | 179 |
| 00:40.20 | jharrison | I think it has external memory card |
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| 00:40.23 | PerfDave | jharrison: Yeah. Card readers are cheap and well-supported. I've got one which cost about a tenner, is four USB mass storage devices (Compact Flash, MMC, SD and the one that nobody uses) |
| 00:40.28 | g4sy | i'm about to file an installation bug, but i want to bounce it off you guys first |
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| 00:40.39 | PerfDave | g4sy: Bounce it off #debian-boot, that's what it's there for ;) |
| 00:40.48 | g4sy | thanks |
| 00:40.54 | asz | the "biggie" was that I couldn't get my wlan set up without major frustration. Now, if Sarge can detect a Netgear MA401 and set it up so I can continue installation, I'd be happy with that |
| 00:41.37 | PerfDave | asz: No idea, ask on #debian-boot or check the release notes for the installer. |
| 00:42.38 | asz | yeah, I gave it a few days last time and was pulling my hair out so I said screw it and went with Xandros |
| 00:42.53 | asz | they just hid some options that I'm used to seeing |
| 00:42.58 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: hrm, I'm not sure that worked as advertised |
| 00:43.15 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, do it now... really... |
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| 00:43.56 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, you see me!? |
| 00:44.00 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: I tried for 5 minutes, but I don't think it /unig'd after the 300 seconds |
| 00:44.05 | Xenguy | yep |
| 00:44.07 | WiFiTux | oh |
| 00:44.26 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, the commands doesn't work. |
| 00:44.37 | PerfDave | whittake: Which commands? |
| 00:44.49 | Supaplex | I'm only able to get highly distorted and quiet playback on my sblive. I've attempted to adjust the controls on kmix and aumix, but I'm not getting much success. BION, my onboard via dsp sounds MUCH better then the sblive atm. What else can I try to address the distortion and poor volume? |
| 00:45.02 | PerfDave | Supaplex: Are you running OSS or ALSA? |
| 00:45.14 | PerfDave | Supaplex: And you're using the right driver (emu101k) right? |
| 00:45.17 | Supaplex | I wish I knew :) |
| 00:45.31 | WiFiTux | Supaplex, check the kernel support. |
| 00:45.37 | Supaplex | emu10k1 via lsmod |
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| 00:45.45 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: SB Lives are supported, I'm using one right now (with ALSA) |
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| 00:46.03 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, ohh yeah, I meant to check his current .config |
| 00:46.04 | Supaplex | it's loaded. I'm seeing interrupts on it via procinfo (refresh ever 1 sec in another xterm) |
| 00:46.10 | DJ747 | why can't i read a superblock on my CD-RW? |
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| 00:47.32 | PerfDave | Supaplex: Try running alsamixer |
| 00:47.47 | PerfDave | kmix is a bit wierd about mixing on an SBLive, especially with a 5.1 setup |
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| 00:47.55 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, any idea where there could be someone with a CarPuter? |
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| 00:48.08 | PerfDave | Supaplex: BTW, you have wired up your speakers correctly? :) |
| 00:48.23 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: If I knew what a CarPuter was, it would help. |
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| 00:48.33 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, Car Computer... |
| 00:48.37 | asz | looking in my home dir, I don't see .Xresources. Next option? |
| 00:48.53 | PerfDave | WiFiTux: Friend of mine keeps an old Pentium laptop in the boot as an mp3 server |
| 00:48.55 | Supaplex | I only have 2 channel (well, 2.1 if you count the sub?) |
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| 00:49.21 | PerfDave | Supaplex: have you tried alsamixer? |
| 00:49.22 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, in the car? |
| 00:49.25 | asz | would it be integrated into KDE or something? |
| 00:49.28 | WiFiTux | asz, me either |
| 00:49.49 | Supaplex | ooooooh I have recording set on igain, and had igain up a bit. |
| 00:49.53 | Supaplex | must of been feedback |
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| 00:50.02 | asz | well, by default Xandros fires up ICEwm. I itch for Enlightenment |
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| 00:51.05 | Supaplex | PerfDave: what package is it in? (on woody) |
| 00:51.28 | WiFiTux | PerfDave, I want a Linux Machine in the car, put a little LCD and a Wireless keyboard. and then my Xbox came to my head. I could have my xbox as my car machine. |
| 00:52.12 | Art_ | What source(s) should I use for java-common, java-package & j2re? |
| 00:52.57 | Supaplex | ouuuhuu yea, MUCH better! |
| 00:52.57 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: my mistake - works great :-) |
| 00:53.00 | PerfDave | Supaplex: Hmm, if you're running Woody, you're probably not running ALSA. |
| 00:53.07 | Supaplex | ahh |
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| 00:53.20 | Supaplex | ok, so urm. I'm running OSS btw ;> |
| 00:53.31 | PerfDave | Supaplex: And if you're using emu101k, I think that's the OSS module - ALSA module would be snd-emu101k or something. |
| 00:53.37 | WiFiTux | Xenguy, you ignored me? or who |
| 00:53.37 | PerfDave | Supaplex: Right, we've got that out the way then ;p |
| 00:53.50 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: you da man ;-) |
| 00:53.56 | spirax | is it just me or does the msttcorefonts package in sid seem broken? |
| 00:53.56 | Supaplex | I'm pretty happy with the way it is now. |
| 00:54.10 | Supaplex | now I can turn on sfx on my mail, messenger and other thingies :) |
| 00:54.15 | ygnome | spirax: how so, mine seems fine? |
| 00:54.21 | PerfDave | Supaplex: You got it all sorted? |
| 00:54.26 | spirax | i have a problem when it tries to download them. |
| 00:54.28 | Supaplex | one stream on dsp0 sux (via dsp) |
| 00:54.29 | Xenguy | WiFiTux: I just had to verify that the 'unignore' function works after the allotted time - it does |
| 00:54.31 | Supaplex | yea, thanks mate |
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| 00:54.36 | PerfDave | Supaplex: No probs |
| 00:55.39 | ygnome | spirax: mine were updated yesterday on a long-overdue apt-get upgrade with no problem. |
| 00:55.50 | asz | ok guys, if I don't have .Xresources where do I look next to find where KDE is getting my window manager info from? Does KDM control this? |
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| 00:57.25 | joaquinz | hi |
| 00:57.39 | joaquinz | does anybody know how to auto-generate a grub config file? |
| 00:58.14 | initech | joaquinz: use an example and modify it to suit you |
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| 00:59.08 | Schumi_ | hi all |
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| 00:59.29 | Schumi_ | IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! |
| 00:59.29 | Schumi_ | Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! |
| 00:59.44 | Schumi_ | does anyoane now what this sentences mean ?? |
| 00:59.50 | scarynetworkguy | Schumi_: yes |
| 00:59.54 | PerfDave | Schumi_: You're trying to ssh, yes? |
| 01:00.07 | Schumi_ | yes |
| 01:00.10 | tiger1020x | change the key |
| 01:00.22 | Schumi_ | yes PerfDave |
| 01:00.27 | PerfDave | Schumi_: It means that the key of the SSH server you're connecting to is different to the one you expect. |
| 01:00.49 | Schumi_ | PerfDave: and?? what am i suposed to do?? |
| 01:00.49 | PerfDave | Schumi_: Which could mean that the key has changed for a legitimate reason, or that EVIL EVIL is happening. |
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| 01:01.15 | PerfDave | Schumi_: Confirm the key of the machine in a secure manner. |
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| 01:01.29 | tiger1020x | does anyone know how to switch from oss to alsa? |
| 01:01.43 | SirPsychoSexy | i am able to mount a primary ntfs partition but not an extended ntfs partition |
| 01:01.47 | PerfDave | tiger1020x: If you've got both compiled as kernel modules, remove the OSS modules and install the ALSA ones. |
| 01:01.50 | SirPsychoSexy | anyone knows what it could be? |
| 01:02.01 | PerfDave | tiger1020x: If not, compile a kernel with ALSA support (and OSS support if you want) |
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| 01:03.15 | tiger1020x | i've done it before with a new kernel but i'm afraid i'm stuck with 2.4 due to a winmodem unless i network a machine and shh to it to dial up |
| 01:03.25 | SirPsychoSexy | i am able to mount a primary ntfs partition but not an extended ntfs partition |
| 01:03.30 | trave11er | Schumi_: was the machine you are trying to connect to recently reinstalled or something? |
| 01:03.31 | SirPsychoSexy | anyone knows what it could be? |
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| 01:04.04 | Schumi_ | nope |
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| 01:04.15 | trave11er | Schumi_: ssh reinstalled, possibly? |
| 01:04.22 | PerfDave | Schumi_: Where is the machine you're trying to ssh into? |
| 01:04.24 | Schumi_ | yes i thing |
| 01:04.41 | Schumi_ | PerfDave: to someone else |
| 01:04.41 | PerfDave | Schumi_: Are you the admin of the machine? |
| 01:04.46 | joaquinz | initech : is there anyway to autogenerate it? |
| 01:04.47 | Schumi_ | PerfDave: nope |
| 01:04.48 | Schumi_ | :) |
| 01:04.49 | SirPsychoSexy | is mount -t ntfs /dev/hdxx /mnt/win correct for an extended partition or am i missing something? |
| 01:04.50 | trave11er | Schumi_: that might have changed the key |
| 01:04.53 | DJ747 | does anyone know how to mount an audio cd? |
| 01:05.04 | PerfDave | Schumi_: Ask the administrator of the machine to inform you (in a secure manner) of the new key fingerprint. |
| 01:05.04 | trave11er | DJ747: you don't mount an audio cd |
| 01:05.05 | joaquinz | i haven't time to edit a file... |
| 01:05.19 | Schumi_ | ok PerfDave thanks |
| 01:05.23 | joaquinz | i need a way to auto generate a config file |
| 01:05.33 | DJ747 | trave11er, how can i listen to my music CD then? |
| 01:05.49 | RDF | I have downloaded two debian iso and 3 slack isos and untill the laste 3 did not know about md5 check summing the isos. All have had corrupt files. I have downloaded 3 isos with wget and still the checksum numbers between hashcalc and the checksum file that sits along side the iso do not match. What could be causing these isos to be corrupt on download? This is on a windows xp box. |
| 01:06.03 | trave11er | Schumi_: once your are sure that the remote machine is legit, you can edit the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file and remove the line with the name of this machine containing the old key |
| 01:06.03 | EfaistOs | do u know what is the driver for a promise controller ? |
| 01:06.11 | trave11er | Schumi_: this will make the warning go away |
| 01:06.34 | trave11er | DJ747: a) play it b) rip it |
| 01:07.00 | DJ747 | trave11er, how can i play it if i can't mount it? |
| 01:07.08 | trave11er | DJ747: you don't have to |
| 01:07.23 | trave11er | DJ747: use one of the plethora of cd-playing programs |
| 01:07.37 | trave11er | xmcd in X or cdcd on console, for example |
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| 01:08.01 | EfaistOs | do u know what is the driver for a promise ULTRA100 TX2 controller ? |
| 01:08.08 | RDF | Does or has anyone has a case where there burned isos has corrupted files on them? |
| 01:08.37 | DJ747 | thanks trave11er |
| 01:08.39 | PerfDave | RDF: It's very strange. Maybe your hard disk is corrupt? |
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| 01:08.43 | trave11er | DJ747: np |
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| 01:09.02 | RDF | Per, I dont see how and no have never seen a case of this before. |
| 01:09.15 | Supaplex | PerfDave: it had a poor up bringing. ;) |
| 01:09.22 | Supaplex | ha :p |
| 01:09.25 | PerfDave | RDF: It's very unusual, certainly. |
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| 01:10.01 | Supaplex | no pun intented, but this rocks. I'm hearing parts of my mp3's I didn't notice before. |
| 01:10.06 | Supaplex | PerfDave++ :) |
| 01:10.11 | PerfDave | RDF: Try using BitTorrent to download the ISOs? It should do integrity checking during download rather than at the end. |
| 01:10.18 | RDF | i was looking at that |
| 01:10.26 | tiger1020x | speaking of which does anyone know how to make a bootable iso with mkisofs from a bootable cd in a mounted drive? |
| 01:10.53 | darkskiez | tiger1020x: just copy an image from the device, not the mount. |
| 01:10.54 | PerfDave | tiger1020x: "dd if=/dev/cddrive of=bootable.iso" and then use cdrecord? |
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| 01:11.06 | PerfDave | tiger1020x: Or use k3b or something. |
| 01:11.11 | tiger1020x | nice good old dd again |
| 01:12.08 | joaquinz | does anybody know how to auto-generate a grub config file? |
| 01:12.15 | LSorensen | EfaistOs: pdc202xx_old or pdc202xx_new I believe. Probably new |
| 01:12.39 | LSorensen | PerfDave: not reliable in all cases. readcd is much safer than dd |
| 01:12.53 | PerfDave | LSorensen: Oh, fair enough. I'd just use k3b to duplicate it :) |
| 01:13.10 | darkskiez | i have a problem with alsa, it just drops out all the time with chan_alsa, and gets choppy |
| 01:13.14 | tiger1020x | i stay out the gui when i can |
| 01:13.22 | Schumi_ | good now it does not give me that error, someone told me to delete the line form ~/.ssh/known_hosts ................. but now it is asking me the password.... i forgot it :(( how can i get pass it ?? |
| 01:13.24 | LSorensen | PerfDave: linux has a tendancy to behave oddly for the last few sectors of a cd when reading the device raw. |
| 01:13.29 | PerfDave | darkskiez: There's a pretty good troubleshooting guide on http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
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| 01:13.47 | LSorensen | PerfDave: there is also cdrdao |
| 01:13.47 | PerfDave | Schumi_: Uhm, did you confirm the new key ID with the administrator? |
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| 01:13.59 | Schumi_ | yes |
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| 01:14.17 | tiger1020x | is there anything to edit an iso file in command line? |
| 01:14.17 | PerfDave | Schumi_: The password should be the same as the one you used before. |
| 01:14.33 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: define "edit"? |
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| 01:14.54 | trave11er | tiger1020x: you can't edit an iso9660 filesystem, it is read-only by definition |
| 01:15.03 | trave11er | you can only recreate it |
| 01:15.04 | tiger1020x | basicly looking for a replacement from winiso from back in my windows days |
| 01:15.05 | DJ747 | trave11er, I'm running "cdcd" and i hit play, but i don't hear any sound, the cd is reading and my sound is on, can you help? |
| 01:15.23 | PerfDave | DJ747: Is there an audio cable between your CD drive and souncard/motherboarD? |
| 01:15.24 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: loopback mount iso image, then create new image with mkisofs with changes |
| 01:15.26 | trave11er | DJ747: mixer is set to mute, or something |
| 01:15.37 | darkskiez | PerfDave: its not alsa though, alsa is fine... |
| 01:15.46 | trave11er | DJ747: possibly |
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| 01:15.51 | Schumi_ | yes PerfDave but i forgot it...... isn't there anyway i can get pass this stupid step where is asking the password? |
| 01:16.00 | DJ747 | brb, I'll check if it is on mute |
| 01:16.06 | PerfDave | Schumi_: If there was, it'd make ssh pretty fucking insecure ;) |
| 01:16.12 | DJ747 | Front 255 255 |
| 01:16.13 | LSorensen | DJ747: check for the audio cable as well |
| 01:16.24 | tiger1020x | yeah is there a way also to not have that stupid audio cord when playing cds? |
| 01:16.25 | LSorensen | DJ747: and you need to check the cd-in volume |
| 01:16.43 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: what chord? |
| 01:16.45 | DJ747 | LSorensen, how? |
| 01:16.48 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: or cord. |
| 01:17.01 | LSorensen | DJ747: in the mixer program. your sound card should have a cd volume |
| 01:17.04 | tiger1020x | the one from the cdrom drive to the sound card |
| 01:17.19 | Schumi_ | good night all i am of to bed |
| 01:17.25 | PerfDave | Night Schumi |
| 01:17.26 | tiger1020x | goodnight bro |
| 01:17.28 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: well if you use cdparanoia or alsaplayer or some other program that does on teh fly digital extraction to play then yes. costs some cpu of course |
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| 01:17.42 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: I much prefer to save my cpu for something useful |
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| 01:18.07 | tiger1020x | i have a 2 cd drives on here thats why |
| 01:18.24 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: well do you need to play more than one audio cd at a time? |
| 01:18.48 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: and many sound cards have both a cd in and an aux or other in you could use for the second drive |
| 01:18.50 | tiger1020x | sorry ok that question wasn't neccessary |
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| 01:19.28 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: I have my cd drive hooked up to play audio cds. I did not hook up the DVD although I could if I bought an extra cable since my card has 4 or so inputs on it |
| 01:20.04 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: but any player that uses DAE will work without the audio cable |
| 01:20.24 | tiger1020x | well the computer has proprietary parts.. can't afford to build a new one yet |
| 01:20.44 | tiger1020x | i can't even disable the crappy sound card in the bios |
| 01:20.59 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: alsa doesn't mind dual sound cards |
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| 01:21.29 | tiger1020x | yeah i gotta switch to alsa pretty damn bad |
| 01:21.32 | Xsquared | i've been to backports and got the latest version of gaim from there. When i sign in my msn account, gaim just closes down. Any ideas? |
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| 01:21.52 | EsiX | how do i switch the default wm to gnome from fluxbox? |
| 01:22.03 | LSorensen | Xsquared: It's trying to protect you |
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| 01:22.14 | overflow | humm hello everyone |
| 01:22.16 | Xsquared | [#debian] |
| 01:22.24 | LSorensen | EsiX: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 01:22.27 | tiger1020x | hello overflow |
| 01:22.30 | Irrelevant | They sucked you in here too, eh? |
| 01:22.31 | Xsquared | LSorensen: its doing a good job |
| 01:22.33 | Irrelevant | It's a black hole |
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| 01:22.59 | EsiX | x-window-manager would the gnome-wm? |
| 01:23.11 | EsiX | or gnome-wm would go after? |
| 01:23.33 | overflow | i got a problem in my distro , i've finish to install it know but i can enter to su mode because i dont know the pass word |
| 01:23.42 | overflow | i use ubunto |
| 01:23.48 | LSorensen | EsiX: well a simpler method is install gdm or kdm to handle logins for X and it will have an option for picking the window manager. Or you write a .xsession file that exec's the right windowmanager (gnome-session in the case of gnome, startkde for kde, etc) |
| 01:23.49 | overflow | if can anyone help me |
| 01:24.27 | LSorensen | overflow: well this is not #ubuntu, and how can you not know the root password on the system you just installed? didn't it ask during install? |
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| 01:24.48 | overflow | no |
| 01:24.49 | trave11er | i heard ubuntu disables root account by default |
| 01:24.53 | xzgv | overflow: i think Ubuntu uses sudo |
| 01:25.00 | Random832 | use sudo and your own password |
| 01:25.06 | trave11er | overflow: try sudo |
| 01:25.10 | xzgv | overflow: check with #ubuntu |
| 01:25.13 | Random832 | it's like OSX |
| 01:25.14 | DJ747 | LSorensen, I don't have a cable going from my cdrom to my motherboard, unless you are talking about the IDE cable |
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| 01:25.15 | overflow | hummm ok |
| 01:25.18 | LSorensen | overflow: well debian asks during install, ubuntu doesn't then don't ask us for help |
| 01:25.20 | overflow | tks |
| 01:25.25 | overflow | sorry to come here |
| 01:25.39 | overflow | but thanx anyway |
| 01:25.45 | darkskiez | whats VoiceMail2? |
| 01:25.50 | LSorensen | DJ747: then you can't play audio cd's without a program that plays it using digital audio extraction. that is what windows does by default (since win98) |
| 01:25.53 | tiger1020x | or get knoppix and get in it |
| 01:26.19 | LSorensen | DJ747: you are supposed to have a 4pin audio cable from the cd to the sound card to play audio cds normally |
| 01:26.20 | DJ747 | LSorensen, how expensive are those cables? |
| 01:26.25 | LSorensen | DJ747: a few dollars |
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| 01:26.37 | DJ747 | LSorensen, I had one but when i got my comp upgraded they took it |
| 01:26.45 | LSorensen | DJ747: should have complained :) |
| 01:26.47 | g4sy | DJ747: free at most computer store |
| 01:26.49 | andrew` | my debian installation is nearing 24 hours |
| 01:26.54 | LSorensen | DJ747: most decent computer stores have them cheap |
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| 01:27.00 | DJ747 | ok thanks |
| 01:27.03 | spikeb | that reminds me |
| 01:27.17 | LSorensen | DJ747: Nice to have one at least |
| 01:27.33 | g4sy | DJ747: where i worked, the had so many sitting around, we would throw them away by dozens and scores |
| 01:27.34 | PerfDave | andrew`: You mean it's taken you 24 hours to install Debian, or that you've had it installed for 24 hours? |
| 01:27.42 | xio04 | i'm trying to install konqueror with apt-get install konqueror, i don't have kde installed, but assume all pacakges needed will be installed, now it fails with dependencie errors, do i need to do somthing additional? |
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| 01:28.24 | PerfDave | xio04: apt-get update first, see if that fixes it? |
| 01:28.34 | xio04 | i did apt-get update |
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| 01:28.35 | RDF | using bittorent to download the iso. Is there a way to compare its check sum against what it should be? |
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| 01:28.39 | andrew` | PerfDave: going on 24 hours to install :) not debian's fault though |
| 01:29.00 | PerfDave | RDF: Your BitTorrent client should do that for you, but you can doublecheck when the download is complete. |
| 01:29.07 | RDF | yea |
| 01:29.15 | RDF | It automaticly does error checking? |
| 01:29.26 | idnar | RDF: yes |
| 01:29.29 | RDF | ohh wait |
| 01:29.31 | RDF | hold |
| 01:29.36 | RDF | I dont want woody. |
| 01:29.42 | idnar | RDF: individual chunks have various checksum-type methods applied to them |
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| 01:29.51 | RDF | I need 2.6 kernel and above. |
| 01:29.54 | spikeb | RDF |
| 01:29.56 | spikeb | er |
| 01:30.01 | RDF | what |
| 01:30.01 | spikeb | RDF get a sarge ISO |
| 01:30.04 | RDF | yea |
| 01:30.06 | RDF | where? |
| 01:30.10 | g4sy | RDF: get a sarge netinst |
| 01:30.25 | PerfDave | RDF: That's one of the points of BitTorrent - it downloads chunks and checks their MD5sums seperately (the sum for each chunk is stored on the tracker IIRC) to make sure they're OK |
| 01:30.36 | spikeb | RDF http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:30.45 | LSorensen | RDF: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or cdimage.debian.org |
| 01:31.17 | spikeb | RDF you'll have to type kernel26 to get it to boot/install 2.6 |
| 01:31.22 | spikeb | but other than that, it should work fine |
| 01:31.51 | RDF | okay will use wget to download that iso. |
| 01:32.11 | PerfDave | RDF: There may be Torrents available |
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| 01:32.21 | PerfDave | RDF: Just download the netinstaller, it'll be a smaller download :) |
| 01:32.34 | xzgv | RDF: at the boot prompt check the F3 and F7 |
| 01:32.40 | tiger1020x | i've had wget screw up before when doing a wget -c |
| 01:33.13 | RDF | tiger same here |
| 01:33.14 | vipersniper | which debian comes with the 2.6 kernal or i have to upgrade the kernel |
| 01:33.27 | RDF | but is wget really reliable? |
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| 01:33.35 | LSorensen | RDF: the netinstall cd is nice. |
| 01:33.35 | tiger1020x | i thought so |
| 01:33.37 | spikeb | sarge comes with the option to use/install 2.6 right from bootup |
| 01:33.39 | tiger1020x | wish it were |
| 01:33.56 | LSorensen | RDF: wget is very reliable. wget -c http://blah will resume a previous download if needed |
| 01:33.59 | tiger1020x | i've had failures in rar files that had zips in them |
| 01:34.04 | WiFiTux | What was a program like getright? |
| 01:34.28 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: well unless the server is broken or the file changes wget works perfectly |
| 01:34.31 | vipersniper | spikeb, Sarge really, never seen that option |
| 01:34.52 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: there are defective proxy servers that can screw it up though (since those proxy servers are not resume compatible) |
| 01:34.55 | tiger1020x | well i had the same problem with get right |
| 01:34.56 | PerfDave | vipersniper: What are you running at the moment? |
| 01:35.16 | RDF | okay downloading sarge though wget. But is there a way to check its check sum with a file i dont see? |
| 01:35.16 | spikeb | vipersniper yeah. at the boot prompt you type kernel26 instead of just hitting enter :) |
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| 01:35.27 | vipersniper | PerlDave, Sarge but i messed it up |
| 01:35.28 | xio04 | i want to force something i think, i usually do apt-get install - or somthing to fix somthing, anyone know what i want? |
| 01:35.30 | RDF | Does anyone have a copy of the checksum hex number? |
| 01:35.37 | EsiX | i need help |
| 01:35.41 | PerfDave | vipersniper: You don't need to reinstall to get a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:35.47 | EsiX | when i goto load gnome |
| 01:35.49 | PerfDave | vipersniper: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 01:35.49 | LSorensen | tiger1020x: some proxies send a 'download failed' or 'download interrupted' at the end of the data when the transfer is stopped, rather than just aborting without sending garbage to the client (which doesn't know it's garbage and hence resumes assuming that was part of the data) |
| 01:35.52 | EsiX | or gdm |
| 01:35.58 | vipersniper | PerlDave, yes i do ;) |
| 01:36.09 | EsiX | it gives me an error saying it's not configed correctly |
| 01:36.23 | PerfDave | vipersniper: You shouldn't need to. If you've installed Sarge with a 2.4 kernel, just install a 2.6 kernel-image or compile one from a 2.6 kernel-source |
| 01:36.55 | EsiX | CAN SOMEONE HELP ME FIX THIS? |
| 01:38.07 | dondelelcaro | EsiX: you'll have to give us more information. What is the exact error that it's giving you? |
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| 01:38.43 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: what does getright do? |
| 01:39.10 | PerfDave | EsiX: Please don't use enter as punctuation, it makes it very hard to work out what you're saying in the middle of other conversations. |
| 01:39.21 | PerfDave | EsiX: But yes, what command are you running, what error are you getting? |
| 01:39.24 | abydos | getright is a wget substitute on Windblows. |
| 01:39.27 | PerfDave | EsiX: And are you running Debian? |
| 01:39.30 | tiger1020x | lol |
| 01:39.37 | PerfDave | wget has been ported to Win32. |
| 01:39.43 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, resume downloads, but I just found one called aria. Like download stuff in parts |
| 01:39.52 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: wget will do that just fine. |
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| 01:39.58 | EsiX | hold on |
| 01:39.58 | PerfDave | IME most "download assistants" in Windows are horrible spyware |
| 01:40.03 | EsiX | i'll write it down |
| 01:40.21 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, really? cool. Will use that next time. is a 800mb download... thanks bud |
| 01:40.45 | PerfDave | Hmm, step one is to get EsiX IRCing from the command line and using screen to copy/paste ;) |
| 01:41.05 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: just add a section to the #debian faq if you want |
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| 01:41.22 | tiger1020x | has anyone gotten chntpw to work on a fat32 filsytem? |
| 01:41.23 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Yeah, but the #debian FAQ is really nastily laid out :) |
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| 01:42.04 | PerfDave | It's a bit too n00bish for http://www.debian-administration.org/ though |
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| 01:42.46 | RDF | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/i386/pre-rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso 14 percent download on wget but where can i get the file that shows what its check sum should be |
| 01:42.48 | RDF | ? |
| 01:42.51 | EsiX | it just says it cannot start the X server |
| 01:42.58 | spikeb | lemme see |
| 01:43.07 | PerfDave | EsiX: Do you have network access from the Debian box? |
| 01:43.11 | EsiX | and to restart gdm when it is configed properly.. |
| 01:43.19 | EsiX | ? |
| 01:43.24 | RDF | or mabey i can compare my check sum with your people sarge checksum netinstal image? |
| 01:43.25 | EsiX | it's a private box |
| 01:43.31 | PerfDave | EsiX: Is it connected to the Internet? |
| 01:43.34 | EsiX | yes |
| 01:43.38 | EsiX | how do u think im here? |
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| 01:43.49 | PerfDave | EsiX: OK, why are you needing to copy stuff manually? |
| 01:43.52 | spikeb | lol |
| 01:43.59 | spikeb | EsiX well you could be on another machine :P |
| 01:44.02 | EsiX | is there a way u can doit remotely? |
| 01:44.18 | dondelelcaro | EsiX: well, your first task is to get X working properly. when you can run XFree86 without it erroring, you'll have started down the road |
| 01:44.27 | PerfDave | EsiX: Are you using the machine that you're having trouble with, to run IRC? |
| 01:44.39 | EsiX | yes i am |
| 01:44.45 | t-jack | Anyone experienced where Testing su gave you root priv, but not root env? |
| 01:44.59 | RDF | anyone here care to elaborate on my question? |
| 01:45.02 | EsiX | it's default is fluxbox.. |
| 01:45.26 | PerfDave | EsiX: Can you get into fluxbox without errors? |
| 01:45.30 | EsiX | yes |
| 01:45.36 | EsiX | thatis what im on |
| 01:45.37 | trave11er | t-jack: use 'su -' |
| 01:45.38 | |stefan| | t-jack that's su -m ? |
| 01:45.42 | PerfDave | EsiX: OK, your X server configuration is not the problem. |
| 01:45.54 | EsiX | than what is it? |
| 01:46.13 | PerfDave | EsiX: Without the exact error, it's hard to say, frankly. |
| 01:46.21 | EsiX | i told you |
| 01:46.24 | EsiX | it says |
| 01:46.32 | WiFiTux | hhmm supertux doesn't give me sound! ::(( |
| 01:46.32 | EsiX | "i cannot start the X server" |
| 01:46.42 | derobert | RDF: don't know of a checksum for the whole image, but the individual packages on the CD will have checksums... |
| 01:46.43 | EsiX | "restart gdm when configured properly" |
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| 01:47.06 | t-jack | |stefan| trave11er Funny how just su gave me the env for years, but recently has been wanky, New security measure? |
| 01:47.09 | PerfDave | EsiX: Hmm, it's gdm being wierd, sorry, I don't use that. |
| 01:47.31 | EsiX | what if i were to delete fluxbox? |
| 01:47.33 | RDF | der, this is the sarg net install iso im downloading and im concerned that files on it will be corrupt like the last 3 or so iso downloads |
| 01:47.35 | PerfDave | t-jack: su should never give you the login environment of the other user. |
| 01:47.37 | tiger1020x | i've had redhat always having its xfree86 blow up on me no reason |
| 01:47.38 | vipersniper | spikeb, what do i type at boot prompt kernel-image-2.6 does not work |
| 01:47.40 | PerfDave | EsiX: I don't see how that would help. |
| 01:47.44 | derobert | PerfDave:, Esix: I use gdm |
| 01:47.51 | PerfDave | derobert: Do you know what EsiX's error means and how to fix it? |
| 01:47.57 | derobert | PerfDave: I'll try |
| 01:47.58 | PerfDave | EsiX: You could try googling for the error |
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| 01:48.17 | PerfDave | vipersniper: Read the instructions at the installer boot prompt |
| 01:48.22 | vipersniper | PerfDave, what do i type at the boot prompt |
| 01:48.27 | derobert | EsiX: I'm stepping in in the middle... just tell me if you've already done these things... |
| 01:48.28 | PerfDave | vipersniper: Read the instructions |
| 01:48.33 | EsiX | ok |
| 01:48.37 | EsiX | any help is kind |
| 01:48.48 | xzgv | EsiX: do you see a line that starts with: (EE)? |
| 01:48.54 | PerfDave | derobert: So far, we've ascertained that it's not an X server problem, since startx gets him into fluxbox |
| 01:49.00 | derobert | EsiX: first, have you checked /var/log/gdm/:0.log? |
| 01:49.02 | PerfDave | derobert: But gdm won't start |
| 01:49.07 | EsiX | no i have not |
| 01:49.24 | trave11er | t-jack: no idea |
| 01:49.32 | derobert | EsiX: ok, that's where gdm logs the output as it tries to start X. Check for errors there. |
| 01:49.41 | EsiX | hereis the roor |
| 01:49.43 | EsiX | /etc/X11/X is not executable |
| 01:49.47 | t-jack | PerfDave, OK OK, so maybe I just still don't have compiler bins installed yet. Only files whereis lists are in /usr/lib. Not in t-jack's path. |
| 01:49.48 | PerfDave | EsiX: BTW, you can use screen and irssi to IRC from a console or xterm without logging out, this will also let you copy and paste errors and log entries straight into IRC which will save you lots of hassle |
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| 01:50.14 | PerfDave | t-jack: I have no idea what you just tried to say. |
| 01:50.16 | |stefan| | t-jack =) i've always used su or su -m for root priv's. and su - to include the environment. |
| 01:50.19 | derobert | EsiX: on my system, that is a symlink to the X server... |
| 01:50.25 | derobert | EsiX: check with ls -l |
| 01:50.34 | EsiX | ? |
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| 01:50.38 | tiger1020x | does anyone know how to get a trackball working for gpm? |
| 01:50.41 | vipersniper | PerfDave, hmm, linux26 ;) |
| 01:50.58 | PerfDave | vipersniper: Victory! Congratulations, your new-found powers of literacy will serve you well in Linux. |
| 01:51.24 | tiger1020x | lol |
| 01:51.28 | vipersniper | PerfDave, lol |
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| 01:52.04 | WiFiTux | someone said something!? |
| 01:52.05 | |stefan| | RDF ehm. |
| 01:52.12 | WiFiTux | :/ |
| 01:52.45 | vipersniper | PerfDave, will that install the kernel-2.6 source also |
| 01:52.52 | shared | test |
| 01:52.53 | latenyte | r there any repositories for eclipse 3.0 |
| 01:53.29 | PerfDave | RDF: I'm pretty sure somebody would have noticed if the ISO on the server was broken. I suspect something is wrong at your end. |
| 01:53.30 | tiger1020x | one more thing does 2.4 support alsa? |
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| 01:53.36 | PerfDave | vipersniper: No, it'll just install a 2.6 kernel-image |
| 01:53.53 | PerfDave | vipersniper: A 2.6 kernel-source should be on the first CD (and possibly the netinstall image) |
| 01:54.01 | scarynetworkguy | tiger1020x: the same way you do anyother pointing device |
| 01:54.03 | vipersniper | PerfDave, i have to downlaod and install the source |
| 01:54.21 | PerfDave | vipersniper: So install the kernel, then "apt-get install kernel-source-foo" when you're installed. |
| 01:54.32 | t-jack | PerfDave, I'm manu-installing alsa-driver. configure cannot find a compiler. I say this is an odd predicament, having never occured before. |
| 01:55.19 | PerfDave | t-jack: Do you have a compiler installed on your system? |
| 01:55.24 | PerfDave | t-jack: apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:55.30 | PerfDave | t-jack: Uhm, which ALSA driver are you installing anyway? |
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| 01:56.28 | RDF | perf, if there is a problem on this end i cannot identify it. |
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| 01:56.58 | xhonzax | hello |
| 01:57.01 | xhonzax | hi |
| 01:57.07 | PerfDave | RDF: No, neither can I. That's why I suggested using BitTorrent, which should be better at detecting download corruption. |
| 01:57.09 | xhonzax | so is somebody here? |
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| 01:57.22 | PerfDave | xhonzax: No |
| 01:57.24 | g4sy | can anyone tell me why exim is part of the base system? |
| 01:57.26 | xhonzax | i need help with my pcmcia card ;) |
| 01:57.34 | xhonzax | PerfDave, ;)) |
| 01:57.41 | g4sy | xhonzax: what's up with your card? |
| 01:57.43 | MerlinCorey | gahan: because you need an MTA or it's not unix... |
| 01:57.50 | MerlinCorey | s/gahan/g3sy |
| 01:57.50 | RDF | perf, no one here showed me the bit torrent netinstall sarge links and its not on the page im downloading from. |
| 01:57.51 | xhonzax | g4sy, yes exim is there |
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| 01:58.11 | VICTORRA57 | Hols alguien habla espa?ol |
| 01:58.15 | spikeb | xhonzax very nice isnt it :) |
| 01:58.19 | MerlinCorey | !spanish |
| 01:58.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 01:58.20 | RDF | xh, did you like it ? |
| 01:58.26 | t-jack | PerfDave, After first pass showing me the deficit, I installed a set of gnu compiler pkgs. My soundcard is AudigyLS. Blacklisted once by ALSAproject, there is nevertheless a release which supports it. Namely, alsa-driver 1.0.6a and above. |
| 01:58.27 | PerfDave | g4sy: The system needs an MTA, Debian clearly considers exim to be the best MTA to install by default. |
| 01:58.28 | xhonzax | spikeb, great ;) |
| 01:58.35 | g4sy | i know it's there... but i'm a hardcore unix guy, but not every site i install needs a MTA |
| 01:58.36 | tiger1020x | will this work? sudo apt-get install alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 01:58.56 | MerlinCorey | g4sy: yes, every system needs an MTA or it's not unix... |
| 01:58.59 | PerfDave | t-jack: Has that not been packaged for Debian? |
| 01:59.00 | MerlinCorey | g4sy: mr. unix guy... |
| 01:59.01 | xhonzax | i want to know how can i find type of my pcmcia card |
| 01:59.06 | g4sy | ok, why does the system need an MTA, if i uninstall it right away afterwards? |
| 01:59.09 | michal | is anyone here using a current unstable upstream debian kernel package? |
| 01:59.16 | PerfDave | g4sy: Some things depend on an mta |
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| 01:59.34 | g4sy | PerfDave: like what? |
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| 01:59.49 | xhonzax | how is command 4 show me pcmcia cards ??? |
| 02:00.01 | xhonzax | lspcmcia notfound ;) |
| 02:00.04 | t-jack | PerfDave, It has. But for kernel-image 2.4,27. Sid. Sid just blew all to hell on me earlier today, so I re-installed. |
| 02:00.08 | MerlinCorey | g4sy: cron, for example... |
| 02:00.12 | derobert | michal: upstream package? you mean the debian directory in kernel.org sources? don't use that. |
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| 02:00.42 | michal | derobert: no i need to know if an option is set in the debian kernel configs |
| 02:00.52 | t-jack | PerfDave, I'm in Testing, now. |
| 02:01.03 | pedro | running icewm at a screen res of 1024x768, what would be the best best way to adjust size of toolbar? |
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| 02:01.11 | |stefan| | my cryopod is calling me for my beautysleep |
| 02:01.15 | t-jack | PerfDave, So no driver .deb.. |
| 02:01.16 | PerfDave | g4sy: On my system, attempting to remove exim will also remove Postgres |
| 02:01.28 | xhonzax | please ... i need just command how to find pcmcia card . |
| 02:01.30 | michal | so doesn't anyone use the debian provided kernels? |
| 02:01.34 | derobert | michal: if they're installed, look in /boot; otherwise, either download the .deb and look in its /boot or download the source package |
| 02:01.37 | leonel | hello I have a T23 with 384 mb ram with Debian sid kernel 2.6.8-1 sees only 256 with kernel 2.4 seek 384 if I add mem=384 to grub the system hangs any idea ? |
| 02:01.41 | PerfDave | t-jack: Hang on a sec. You're saying that kernel-image-2.4.27 supports your ALSA? |
| 02:01.46 | xhonzax | i dont know chipset |
| 02:01.49 | VICTORRA57 | disculpen como me cambio al debian-espa?ol |
| 02:01.50 | tiger1020x | ok guys i'll be back it's about beer o clock thank you all for your help |
| 02:01.50 | xhonzax | ??? |
| 02:01.54 | toyowheelin | is there a debian for amd64? |
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| 02:01.56 | MerlinCorey | michal: doesn't anyone do their own investigatingh anymore..? :P |
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| 02:01.58 | michal | derobert: i'm asking here because it would take me a few hours to download the kernel |
| 02:02.03 | g4sy | MerlinCorey: you're right, so if i don't use cron or postgres |
| 02:02.11 | dsl605 | i am trying ot install konqueror, but am not having much success, i took a look at konqueror faqs, it says i need qt, is there a package qt? what is that package? |
| 02:02.14 | PerfDave | michal: Look in /boot/config-foo |
| 02:02.16 | michal | merlin: and where can i find out without downloading the package? |
| 02:02.20 | MerlinCorey | toyowheelin: #debian-64 or something like... |
| 02:02.24 | toyowheelin | lol |
| 02:02.27 | PerfDave | michal: Or zless /proc/config.gz on 2.6 kernels |
| 02:02.27 | toyowheelin | ok cool |
| 02:02.28 | michal | perf: i don't have the package nor can i download it quickly |
| 02:02.32 | PerfDave | !amd65 |
| 02:02.33 | toyowheelin | thanks MerlinCorey |
| 02:02.34 | PerfDave | !amd64 |
| 02:02.34 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. |
| 02:02.40 | t-jack | PerfDave, All I know is that the driver I need is in alsa-modules 2.4.27 .deb, Sid. |
| 02:02.47 | toyowheelin | damn |
| 02:02.52 | toyowheelin | nobody home |
| 02:03.00 | derobert | michal: the source package is much smaller, I think... let me check.... |
| 02:03.07 | |stefan| | /home/nobody |
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| 02:03.19 | |stefan| | eyyyyy ;) |
| 02:03.20 | xhonzax | Excuse>>> product info: "Agere Systems", "Wireless PC Card Model 0111", "", "" manfid: 0x0156, 0x0003 function: 6 (network) |
| 02:03.21 | sky0 | g4sy: you can replace exim with ssmtp; simply forward smtp to another MTA on your net. |
| 02:03.26 | xhonzax | How to install that? |
| 02:03.28 | MerlinCorey | toyowheelin: read the rest of the factoid... |
| 02:03.35 | xhonzax | Any knowledges? |
| 02:03.37 | toyowheelin | im on it |
| 02:03.41 | toyowheelin | thanks |
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| 02:03.47 | |stefan| | xhonzax tried google ? |
| 02:03.54 | pizzahawai | VICTORRA57: si, yo ;) |
| 02:04.00 | MerlinCorey | g4sy: it's in base for a reason, so remove it at your own risk... |
| 02:04.03 | derobert | michal: source for kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 is 90K. It contains all the configs |
| 02:04.10 | PerfDave | t-jack: What kernel are you running in Sarge? |
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| 02:04.17 | t-jack | PerfDave, And Sid crumbled to dust on me today. |
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| 02:04.25 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, yeah nd nothink :( just for kernel 2.4.x nd iam using 2.6.8 |
| 02:04.27 | VICTORRA57 | si dime |
| 02:04.29 | derobert | michal: apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.8-686 will get it for you, or since I already have it, what did you want to know? |
| 02:04.51 | t-jack | PerfDave, I have 2.4.27 and 2.6.8. |
| 02:04.56 | michal | derobert: grep it for OSD is it enabled or disabled? |
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| 02:05.08 | VICTORRA57 | pizzahari dime |
| 02:05.17 | |stefan| | xhonzax precompiled kernel ? |
| 02:05.17 | PerfDave | t-jack: You could try adding sid debsrc lines and do "apt-get -t unstable --build source alsa-modules-2.4.27-something" |
| 02:05.24 | derobert | michal: CONFIG_DVB_AV7110_OSD is not set |
| 02:05.36 | derobert | michal: in 386, 686, 686-smp, k7, and k7-smp |
| 02:05.40 | michal | derobert: DOH!!!! that sucks.. thanks |
| 02:05.43 | PerfDave | t-jack: Or just wait for the packages to filter through to sarge :) |
| 02:06.09 | pizzahawai | VICTORRA57: yo? no, yo nada, preguntaste si alguién habla español |
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| 02:06.14 | steve | hey- there is this new folder on my computer called /TheftFiles |
| 02:06.24 | derobert | michal: btw, the source package is 90K, which is even a reasonable download on a modem.... So you can grab it, and read all the configs |
| 02:06.25 | steve | does that mean i've been hacked? |
| 02:06.29 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, no |
| 02:06.30 | xmms | hi, Where Can I download current ISO of debian? |
| 02:06.41 | michal | if i would like to ask for that option to be changed where would i do so? wishlist bug report on packages.debian.org? |
| 02:06.48 | t-jack | PerfDave, I already have 1.0.6a waiting for compilation. It's never failed me before, su'ing to compile. |
| 02:06.49 | MerlinCorey | !d-i |
| 02:06.49 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 02:06.49 | VICTORRA57 | si quiero cambiarme al debian espa?ol pero no se como |
| 02:06.54 | |stefan| | xhonzax well the pcmcia-cs package might be of help to you. i dunno |
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| 02:07.14 | derobert | michal: probably to the kernel-image pseudo-package |
| 02:07.28 | derobert | michal: if you just type 'reportbug', it'll guide you through the process |
| 02:07.32 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, i will try that.. thanks |
| 02:07.46 | derobert | michal: (assuming you have reportbug installed, of course) |
| 02:07.52 | PerfDave | t-jack: You're compiling into /usr/local right? ;) |
| 02:07.52 | michal | derobert: thanks. i think it's a major oversight on their part for not enabling it :/ |
| 02:08.04 | PerfDave | t-jack: Is it only if you su, or does it happen if you log in as root? |
| 02:08.17 | PerfDave | t-jack: And does it work if you use "su -"? |
| 02:08.18 | MerlinCorey | michal: you can always compile it :) |
| 02:08.21 | derobert | michal: could be, no idea how the options to enable/disabled are chosen |
| 02:08.44 | |stefan| | xhonzax and the pcmcia-modules-2.6.8-1-386-di and nic-pcmcia-modules-2.6.8-1-386-di might also be of help =) |
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| 02:09.07 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, oki ... iam making that ;) |
| 02:09.17 | michal | MerlinCorey: sure i could.. but that defeats the purpose of debian providing packages that try to support everything. |
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| 02:09.39 | pizzahawai | VICTORRA57: /join #debian-es |
| 02:09.40 | MerlinCorey | where in policy does it say that, michal..? |
| 02:09.57 | |stefan| | xhonzax now i have to get some sleep. but good luck. |
| 02:09.59 | De_Mon | is hotplug needed in the kernel for udev support? |
| 02:10.01 | michal | MerlinCorey: it also makes the fact that debian enables the dvb modules redundant for most of those who would benefit from it |
| 02:10.09 | t-jack | PerfDave, Simple su has never failed me before. synaptic shows gcc, cpp, gobc v3.3/3.4 installed. Why doesn't whereis, and configure? |
| 02:10.36 | michal | derobert: i suspect they don't enable the option because it is marked obsolete.. unfortunately nothing has replaced it and it's still under heavy use |
| 02:10.41 | MerlinCorey | michal: they do provide a package that most people can use at least minimally, which I would think is more thore goal... |
| 02:10.43 | Guerin | t-jack: you have installed build-essential, I'm sure. |
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| 02:10.51 | PerfDave | t-jack: Does su - work? |
| 02:11.07 | t-jack | Guerin, Oh sure. I always forget that one. |
| 02:11.13 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, good night ;) |
| 02:11.16 | Guerin | t-jack: just checkin' |
| 02:11.31 | michal | MerlinCorey: then again.. if the goal is a mimimal kernel for installation purposes then why enable things like dvb at all? it's certainly not critical for installation |
| 02:11.35 | c-- | when installing a new kernel via apt-get, what's that handy command that gives a nice quick list of available images? |
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| 02:11.58 | |stefan| | c-- lynx http://packages.debian.org ;) |
| 02:11.58 | derobert | c--: apt-cache search kernel-image works fairly well |
| 02:12.02 | MerlinCorey | michal: *shrug* no idea :) |
| 02:12.19 | De_Mon | what kernel options are required for udev support? |
| 02:12.31 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, have U some sources i cant find pcmcia modules for 2.6 kernel ...thnx |
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| 02:12.42 | t-jack | Guerin, No, I wasn't sarcastic. I really do always forget build-essential. It's installing now. |
| 02:12.55 | michal | MerlinCorey: my point of view is that if dvb is to be enabled then so should the osd.. given that the majority of dvb users use vdr which REQUIRES the osd to be useful |
| 02:13.03 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, i tried to use unstable sources ..nothing :( |
| 02:13.22 | |stefan| | xhonzax didn't those 2 last packages i gave you work ? that's about it though. i haven't tried much pcmcia with 2.6+ |
| 02:13.23 | t-jack | Guerin, Thanks for reminding me. |
| 02:13.24 | drlion | t-jack: are you being double sarcastic? |
| 02:13.40 | sky0 | De_Mon: the config program for the kernel does not let you choose options which depend on other stuff which is disabled; at least it should. |
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| 02:13.55 | c-- | derobert: I did that, but I swore there was a nicer little thing--I could totally just be making this up but I thought I had seen it somewhere... |
| 02:14.01 | c-- | oh well, thanks |
| 02:14.06 | michal | MerlinCorey: and more importantly than that the osd option does not create problems for those that don't need it.. so why not enable it. sorry for ranting.. i should put this in the bug report :) |
| 02:14.07 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, no, that not work ... i didnt find it |
| 02:14.18 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 02:14.22 | De_Mon | sky0 CONFIG_HOTPLUG is required.. I was reading the FAQ and that tidbit was in the html doc |
| 02:14.29 | |stefan| | xhonzax try checking http://packages.debian.org |
| 02:14.30 | derobert | michal: yes, you should, but probably with less ranting. |
| 02:14.47 | xhonzax | |stefan_|, ok |
| 02:15.03 | |stefan| | now i'm off.. my pillow is calling me desperately |
| 02:15.29 | sky0 | De_Mon: why did you ask then? I don't know because I don't use udev. But from reading the source of the config tool, my statement above is still true. |
| 02:15.55 | De_Mon | sky0 udev completely in userspace so it wasnt totally clear to me what was required |
| 02:15.55 | michal | derobert: i need to find out the criteria they use for config options first :/ that way i can put my point across in an informed manner |
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| 02:16.15 | derobert | michal: check the mailing lists archives, then |
| 02:16.17 | t-jack | Bah checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel sources (default is /usr/src/linux). |
| 02:16.46 | PerfDave | t-jack: Your Debian kernel source will be in /usr/src/kernel-source-foo once you've downloaded and unpacked it ;) |
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| 02:17.07 | derobert | t-jack: or in .../kernel-headers-foo if you only really need the headers |
| 02:17.12 | dondelelcaro | michal: the kernel maintainers choose the options, typically. If it's possible to load OSD as a module, it typically will be turned on. |
| 02:17.13 | PerfDave | t-jack: Surprised that it wants full kernel sources rather than just the headers though :/ |
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| 02:17.23 | t-jack | PerfDave, Well... It worked in Gentoo, without needing to compile the kernel, first. |
| 02:17.28 | unique11210 | i can't start my kde or gnome....i have to us icewm,,man... |
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| 02:17.41 | PerfDave | t-jack: It doesn't need to compile the kernel, it needs a kernel source tree to compile against. |
| 02:17.54 | dondelelcaro | michal: if it's not possible to have it as module only, then you'll probably be hard pressed to convince the maintainer unless you can convince them that turning it on won't break anything for people with working systems... |
| 02:18.01 | PerfDave | t-jack: Presumably because it needs your kernel's ALSA code to integrate with |
| 02:18.40 | unique11210 | why won't my kde or gnome start... |
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| 02:18.57 | PerfDave | unique11210: How are you trying to start kde or gnome? |
| 02:19.09 | PerfDave | unique11210: Are you running Debian, rather than Xandros? |
| 02:19.10 | t-jack | PerfDave, I tried that too. version.h never appeared until I compiled the kernel. And of course, doint that, that would require continuing the process. |
| 02:19.28 | unique11210 | from the login screen, its only allowing icewm or fvwm to start.. |
| 02:19.34 | derobert | t-jack: try the kernel-headers package |
| 02:19.36 | unique11210 | kd or gnome won't start.. |
| 02:19.42 | derobert | t-jack: I think that'lll include version.h |
| 02:19.47 | unique11210 | debian.. |
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| 02:20.11 | t-jack | PerfDave, Coz going only partway yeilds 'unknown symbols'... |
| 02:20.13 | michal | dondelelcaro: the option is embedded in another module.. i'm convinced that it does not cause problems for those that don't need it. i guess they could modularise it like they have other things but generally if you want this module then you want this option.. i can't think of any exceptions :/ |
| 02:20.33 | dondelelcaro | michal: which module? |
| 02:21.01 | t-jack | derobert, I try that... |
| 02:21.08 | michal | dond: dvb_ttpci |
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| 02:22.10 | unique11210 | hey perfdave is there a netinst disc for xandros...?? |
| 02:22.12 | michal | dondelelcaro: dvd_ttpci si for full featured (meaning with an mpeg decoder) technotrend dvb cards |
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| 02:24.53 | PerfDave | unique11210: no idea, ask #xandros |
| 02:25.02 | PerfDave | unique11210: What login manager are you using? |
| 02:25.21 | unique11210 | the default debian login manager. |
| 02:25.29 | unique11210 | i didn't make no changes.. |
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| 02:25.45 | vipersniper | PerfDave, it says, "could not find package kernel-source-2.6.7-foo" |
| 02:25.57 | unique11210 | i wish i could tell you more. |
| 02:26.10 | dondelelcaro | michal: you mean DVB_AV7110_OSD ? |
| 02:26.37 | PerfDave | unique11210: What do you mean, the default Debian login manager? Did you select the "desktop environment" option in tasksel? |
| 02:26.50 | michal | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 02:26.57 | unique11210 | yes. |
| 02:27.05 | unique11210 | thats the only one i selected. |
| 02:27.18 | mwilson | Debian has a "default login manager"? |
| 02:27.24 | mwilson | Wow, since when? |
| 02:27.35 | PerfDave | mwilson: If you select the Desktop Environment task, it installs KDM. |
| 02:27.47 | PerfDave | vipersniper: Yes, that's because that's not a real package ;) |
| 02:27.59 | mwilson | And XDM, and GDM, so where's the "default"? |
| 02:28.02 | PerfDave | vipersniper: apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
| 02:28.18 | unique11210 | man, the login screen, where you choose kde or gnome or whatever window manager you want to use. |
| 02:28.22 | PerfDave | mwilson: Does it? I thought it just installed kdm. Or does it install all three and get you to select in the configurator? |
| 02:28.47 | dondelelcaro | michal: yeah, doesn't look particularly harmfull to me... the maintainer probably just didn't know much about it. File a wishlist bug requesting it to be enabled explaining your rationale. |
| 02:28.57 | PerfDave | unique11210: There are different login screens, provided by different programs. It's important to know which one you're using to help fix your problem. |
| 02:29.10 | dondelelcaro | michal: for the time being, you can trivially build your own version of the kernel-image package with it enabled if you want... or just build that module with OSD enabled. |
| 02:29.13 | mwilson | PerfDave: Tasksel installs both KDE and Gnome, so they both come along. The x-window-system metapackage installs XDM. I have no idea how it decides which it's going to present, as I have zero use for tasksel and delete it from any box I control. |
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| 02:29.45 | mwilson | PerfDave: I'm sure the new d-i has some broken way of deciding which to use. |
| 02:29.47 | PerfDave | mwilson: It should choose in debconf, when you install any DM it asks which one you want to use. |
| 02:30.18 | michal | dondelelcaro: i've already done that.. system has been running with no problems with uptime of over 48 days |
| 02:30.23 | PerfDave | unique11210: At some point after choosing that Desktop Environment task, you should have been asked which of xdm, kdm and gdm you wanted to use. Which one did you select? |
| 02:30.35 | mwilson | PerfDave: I can't imagine needing anything other than xdm. |
| 02:30.42 | unique11210 | kde.. |
| 02:30.47 | guestish | mwilson: kdm and gdm look more modern |
| 02:30.50 | unique11210 | ok man. we passed all the tasksel.. |
| 02:31.08 | mwilson | guestish: xdm looks like whatever you configure it to look like. |
| 02:31.09 | unique11210 | i've been using my debian... |
| 02:31.12 | holycow | one way to get around that is to install x-window-system-core then install desktop environment then gdm/kdm/xdm |
| 02:31.12 | PerfDave | unique11210: kde isn't one of the options I asked for. |
| 02:31.21 | PerfDave | mwilson: Some people find other dms more user-friendly. |
| 02:31.27 | michal | dondelelcaro: my goal though is to be able to use the kernel supplied with the debian-installer.. this would make for a trivially easy install on any hardware if i just supplied the extra vdr related packages on the install cd along with a task package.. |
| 02:31.30 | dondelelcaro | michal: ah, ok... yeah, just file a wishlist bug... |
| 02:31.43 | PerfDave | unique11210: OK, you're in icewm right now, right? |
| 02:31.49 | guestish | mwilson: i suppose, but right off the bat the other two look better, and for people who dont want to configure anything it is better ;) |
| 02:31.52 | unique11210 | yes |
| 02:31.57 | mwilson | PerfDave: Uh, put in a user name, put in a password, press enter... how can you be more (or less) friendly than that? |
| 02:32.05 | dondelelcaro | michal: yeah... you could also just have a package that installed the module with OSD support and diverted the existing module until the kernel changes |
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| 02:32.19 | unique11210 | when i try to login to kde nothing happens, same with gnome... |
| 02:32.33 | michal | dondelelcaro: i can divert just one module? |
| 02:32.33 | unique11210 | but when i try lcewm or fvwm it works.. |
| 02:32.38 | mwilson | PerfDave: Both gdm and kdm have their own particular stupidities about ignoring ~/.xsession in favor of their own ways of doing things. |
| 02:32.54 | holycow | lol thats true |
| 02:32.58 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 273307 |
| 02:33.01 | dondelelcaro | michal: yerp |
| 02:33.02 | dpkg | #273307:W[kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7] kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7: kernel/drivers/media/dvb modules without osd support |
| 02:33.15 | guestish | mwilson: you are too bitter =P |
| 02:33.17 | holycow | i have one flaky install where gdm starts up at 800x600 and desktop is at 1024x768 |
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| 02:33.37 | dondelelcaro | michal: that's kind of messy to do, but it should work. |
| 02:33.43 | mwilson | guestish: How so? I'm just not interested in re-inventing the wheel just because some moron CAN. |
| 02:34.02 | michal | speaking of *dm packages does anyone know how to configure them (gdm in particular) to work via Xvnc? I know there are howtos for getting it to work with redhat but i couldn't translate the procedure to debian and get it to work |
| 02:34.05 | guestish | mwilson: why use an old caveman wheel when we can use a new slick chrome one! :) |
| 02:34.21 | dondelelcaro | guestish: bling bling! |
| 02:34.22 | nvz | guestish: because it provides no new features |
| 02:34.39 | mwilson | michal: Yes, the documentation that comes with the vncserver package, that tells you exactly how to set up that behavior, is of absolutely no use. |
| 02:34.41 | derobert | michal: I have tried before, but have never managed to get gdm to like Xvnc. I just gave up and used xdm, which works fine.... |
| 02:34.44 | vipersniper | PerfDave, i did "apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6" and i get results "kernel-source-2.6.6+2.6.6+2.6.8" so now apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 right |
| 02:34.46 | guestish | nvz: but its chrome! :) |
| 02:34.51 | michal | dondelelcaro: how would i do it? build a new kernel using the same config (plus the osd enabled) and then just replace the dvb_ttpci module? |
| 02:34.55 | mwilson | michal: You'll certainly need to find instructions elsewhere. |
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| 02:34.58 | derobert | michal: of course, this was a while ago, so maybe it works now |
| 02:35.02 | PerfDave | mwilson: *shrug* kdm works for me, looks pretty without any configuration, and is easily tweakable through the standard KDE control centre. |
| 02:35.13 | PerfDave | mwilson: I suppose its' a matter of taste, which is why we have choice :) |
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| 02:35.37 | nvz | guestish: its only chrome plated |
| 02:35.38 | xhonzax | what command will show me pcmcia cards? |
| 02:35.40 | dondelelcaro | michal: it's slightly more complex, actually. once you've got the proper module for the install kernel, you're just going to divert (move away) kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386's module, and install your ownl. |
| 02:35.42 | guestish | nvz: dont ruin it for me |
| 02:35.42 | mwilson | PerfDave: Meaning I have to have all of KDE just to configure a dialog box. I see. |
| 02:35.45 | PerfDave | unique11210: So you select KDE or Gnome in your login manager, and nothing happens? You don't get any errors or anything? |
| 02:35.59 | dondelelcaro | michal: because you've diverted it, dpkg be able to unwind the diversion when the packages are removed. |
| 02:35.59 | PerfDave | mwilson: I doubt you have to have *all* of KDE, but we've had this argument tonight. |
| 02:36.09 | PerfDave | mwilson: But since I use KDE anyway, it's not a problem for me. Hence the matter of taste thing. |
| 02:36.17 | michal | dondelelcaro: could i use the alternatives mechanism for this ? |
| 02:36.19 | unique11210 | nope it looks like its working and then right back to the login screen.. |
| 02:36.32 | PerfDave | vipersniper: apt-get install the source for the kernel you wish to hand-compile :) |
| 02:36.44 | mwilson | PerfDave: I can't use KDE... I like to actually get work done with my computer. |
| 02:36.46 | dondelelcaro | michal: no... |
| 02:36.46 | unique11210 | i just reinstalled it.. let me see if it will work.. |
| 02:36.46 | PerfDave | vipersniper: Lots of people seem to have trouble with 2.6.8 though, you might want to go for 2.6.7 |
| 02:36.53 | aFlag | does anyone here know about some channel or something about snes9x? |
| 02:36.56 | PerfDave | mwilson: Funnily enough, that's exactly why I do use it. |
| 02:37.01 | aFlag | more specificaly GSnes9x |
| 02:37.03 | dondelelcaro | michal: man dpkg-divert |
| 02:37.25 | holycow | aFlag, thats funny you mention that, i just finished super mario 2 :) |
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| 02:37.35 | aFlag | hehe |
| 02:37.36 | mwilson | PerfDave: So you use KDE but don't use any KDE applications? I know how far down usability actually is on their feature scale. |
| 02:37.37 | dondelelcaro | michal: it's kind of hackish, and the ideal method is to resolve #273307, but for the time being it will work on new installs. |
| 02:37.42 | michal | dondelelcaro: ahh.. thanks.. wasn't aware of this command |
| 02:37.52 | aFlag | holycow, i'm not able to turn the sound of it off |
| 02:38.06 | aFlag | when using gsnes9x |
| 02:38.06 | holycow | try one of the keys |
| 02:38.14 | PerfDave | mwilson: I use KDE as a window manager, but I use mutt and Firefox rather than kmail and konqueror. Although I do use konqueror as a file browser at times. |
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| 02:38.16 | holycow | 3, 4, 5, [, ] |
| 02:38.19 | t-jack | PerfDave, Again, square1. ALSA static compiled in 2.6.8, no snd_audigyls. |
| 02:38.19 | aFlag | snes9x -ns works fine |
| 02:38.28 | holycow | not sure which one its one is supposed to turn it off |
| 02:38.30 | guestish | khtml...good stuff |
| 02:38.36 | mwilson | Ugh, crapfox. |
| 02:38.38 | aFlag | well, not so fine, it doesn't use sound but still uses the /dev/dsp |
| 02:38.43 | PerfDave | t-jack: If it's statically compiled, then you won't have an audigy module, shurely? |
| 02:38.56 | PerfDave | mwilson: Again, a matter of taste. I've not found a browser I prefer using. |
| 02:39.12 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: so you're elinks all the way, eh..? |
| 02:39.29 | guestish | !mwilson |
| 02:39.29 | dpkg | Hah! |
| 02:39.42 | guestish | lol |
| 02:39.47 | guestish | !factinfo mwilson |
| 02:39.47 | dpkg | mwilson -- created by mwilson <mwilson@ip68-111-188-90.sd.sd.cox.net> at Mon Jul 28 17:28:16 2003 (446 days); it has been requested 92 times, last by guestish, 18s ago; it has been locked by mwilson. |
| 02:39.52 | vipersniper | PerfDave, it did not unzip the file |
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| 02:39.56 | mwilson | ^_^ |
| 02:39.58 | guestish | how do you lock factoids anyways? |
| 02:40.00 | PerfDave | vipersniper: It wouldn't do. |
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| 02:40.11 | t-jack | PerfDave, I won't be installing just the sound modules, that's for sure. Good thing I mooved the dir instead of deleting it. |
| 02:40.30 | PerfDave | t-jack: TBH, I don't really understand exactly what you're trying to do :/ |
| 02:40.45 | guestish | bah, cant |
| 02:40.49 | PerfDave | t-jack: perhaps a more alsa-specific channel might be of use to you? |
| 02:41.29 | vipersniper | PerfDave, it did not unzip the file "its just kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2" in /usr/src |
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| 02:41.47 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: lynx unless that doesn't work, then links -g unless that doesn't work, and finally mozilla. Although I'm much more likely to toss a website into the no-need-to-bother pile if it actually requires something like mozilla to be usable. |
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| 02:42.04 | t-jack | PerfDave, Doubtful, as this is a deficiency to Debian. |
| 02:42.29 | PerfDave | vipersniper: Yes, so use tar to unpack it. |
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| 02:42.50 | PerfDave | t-jack: So file a bug? :) |
| 02:43.16 | PerfDave | t-jack: Any reason you can't backport the alsa-modules thing that does work from sid, rather than compiling from upstream source? |
| 02:43.24 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: ah, so you're not actually a webdeveloper... I unfortunately, *must* ensure pages work in IE, Mozilla, Opera, Netscape, and Firefox, almost compulsively... |
| 02:43.29 | zoghome | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' <-- this file got corrupted, how do i fix it? |
| 02:43.30 | dpkg | zoghome: You are moron #11 |
| 02:43.31 | t-jack | PerfDave, How do I campaign against a pkging philosophy? ;) |
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| 02:43.38 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: Links2 is wonderful more for what it ignores, and how it does it, than for what it supports. |
| 02:43.43 | MerlinCorey | but firefox is nice personally, with some of the development plugins... |
| 02:43.49 | PerfDave | t-jack: Or just wait for the package to filter through from sid into sarge |
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| 02:44.08 | PerfDave | t-jack: It's obviously not a packaging philosphy problem if the package in sid does what you want. |
| 02:44.28 | t-jack | PerfDave, But I Want Music NOW!!! er... I didn't just shout. |
| 02:44.45 | PerfDave | zoghome: /msg dpkg available |
| 02:44.46 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: Huh? I never claimed to be a web developer... I'm just someone who's totally uninterested in what some idiot thinks a page is supposed to look like. Links2 is therefore great for that, as it usually renders a page usably while ignoring all the trash so-called "designers" think they need to include. |
| 02:44.48 | PerfDave | t-jack: So backport it :) |
| 02:44.52 | nvz | I still use links, I started learning w3m, but until I go in and make my own keybindings I could never actually use it. the default has the same actions bound to like 4 or more different keys |
| 02:44.59 | vipersniper | is ti tar -jvx filename |
| 02:45.07 | vipersniper | it |
| 02:45.09 | PerfDave | mwilson: So visit well-designed sites ;) |
| 02:45.13 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: lucky you, but for the rest of us.... :P |
| 02:45.18 | PerfDave | vipersniper: You probably need an f in there somewhere |
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| 02:45.28 | mwilson | PerfDave: There are so few. |
| 02:45.40 | PerfDave | mwilson: Yes, but most of the useful ones are well-designed |
| 02:45.42 | mwilson | PerfDave: Most sites think you care about things like CSS, which I don't. |
| 02:45.50 | nvz | like there are 15 different ways to scroll up and down, and they all seem to do it by page. I have yet to see any default binding that scrolls like a line or two at a time |
| 02:45.55 | t-jack | PerfDave, Bah. I gotta get my hands dirty now, with make-kpkg. :P :) |
| 02:45.56 | PerfDave | mwilson: So your problem is not with GUI web browsers, but with websites in general? |
| 02:46.00 | michal | is there any package in unstable that would be suitable for checking whether a website has changed since the last time it was checked? |
| 02:46.05 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: most sites don't properly implement CSS... |
| 02:46.16 | Supaplex | nvz: like an ebook scroller? |
| 02:46.29 | vipersniper | tar -xvjf |
| 02:46.29 | zoghome | PerfDave: thanks.. |
| 02:46.42 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: and indexes... |
| 02:46.46 | vipersniper | tar -xvjpf :) |
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| 02:46.53 | mwilson | PerfDave: As I said, I'm not interested in what some moron thinks things are supposed to look like. I'm not interested in how this is supposed to be blue, and that's red, oh, and over there should be this green box. Feh. |
| 02:47.10 | rich_ | I havent done anything for css yet by btw, I assume christian marrilat did it for me |
| 02:47.14 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: like I said, most sites don't properly implement CSS... |
| 02:47.16 | PerfDave | mwilson: You know, you can turn all that of in firefox ;) |
| 02:47.20 | nvz | I dont know about everyone, but for me I am a speed reader, and I visualize everything as a whole, I mark where I am at in my head by looking at the paragraphs and stuff, when it flips a whole freakin page just to show two more lines that messes me all up, I will never understand what the whole things means if I cant see it all at once. |
| 02:47.25 | PerfDave | rich_: Different CSS ;) |
| 02:48.08 | PerfDave | mwilson: I find that Firefox with its built-in pop-up blocking, reasonably fine-grained cookie control (especially the "accept cookie for session" option in 0.9), selective image blocking, and some of the automatic ad-blocking stuff makes web browsing a pleasure, and a lot easier on the eyes than using a console-based browser. |
| 02:48.18 | K9-Cop | Java Plugin for mozilla: I made a sym link from jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and then restarted mozilla, but about:plugins doesn't recognize it?? |
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| 02:48.23 | mwilson | PerfDave: Aside from the fact that crapfox is, well, crap... why should I bother? I couldn't care less about the designer's opinion... why should I expend MY effort circumventing him rather than simply using a tool that will ignore him? |
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| 02:48.48 | PerfDave | mwilson: Some presentation, layout and colour is helpful, and makes things easier rather than harder to read. |
| 02:48.56 | sgk284 | how can i force apt-get to configure and install kde-libs? |
| 02:49.00 | PerfDave | mwilson: Frankly, the default setup in Firefox is plenty good enough. |
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| 02:49.21 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: what makes firefox crap..? |
| 02:49.23 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.38 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: that's like the mplayer developers saying "debian sux" 3 times... |
| 02:49.40 | mwilson | PerfDave: Hardly. Any browser that I can take to csszengarden and actually see a difference depending on which link I choose is not one I care to generaly use. |
| 02:49.43 | PerfDave | nvz: I've used w3m. I still prefer using Firefox :) |
| 02:49.59 | PerfDave | sgk284: Why do you need to force it? |
| 02:50.03 | nvz | MerlinCorey: mwilson obviously isnt a casual web surfer. He knows what he wants to see. And sees only what he want. |
| 02:50.22 | PerfDave | mwilson: That's a matter of opinion then, but I think you're being irrationally stubborn, to your own detriment. |
| 02:50.30 | scarynetworkguy | he is clearly very leet |
| 02:50.36 | MerlinCorey | oh, totally... |
| 02:50.43 | sgk284 | PerfDave: because its saying that its having problems with it and i need to get past that point so i use apt-get again |
| 02:50.49 | Guerin | good-o |
| 02:50.51 | Guerin | gah |
| 02:50.53 | Guerin | wrong window |
| 02:51.02 | mwilson | How am I leet? I simly do not care to look at some 10-year-old's idea of what's cool. |
| 02:51.04 | Guerin | just ignore me, like usual |
| 02:51.20 | PerfDave | mwilson: Not all web designers are 10 year olds, and not all web design is done for "cool". |
| 02:51.46 | sussudio | nvz: in channel stats, userpic chooses you. |
| 02:52.00 | nvz | sussudio: does that mean you finally got me one? |
| 02:52.03 | mwilson | I use csszengarden as an example simply because the morons responsible for it are SO egotistical they can't conceive of anyone not thinking their garbage is utterly cool. |
| 02:52.08 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: that's an overly cynical and overly - putdownish..? vocabulary failing me at the moment - way of looking at it all... it's also not the least bit egotistical and arrogant... |
| 02:52.12 | sussudio | nvz: guess what it is. |
| 02:52.18 | nvz | sussudio: no idea I'll go see. |
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| 02:52.48 | nvz | sussudio: heh |
| 02:52.52 | PerfDave | mwilson: It's an interesting demonstration of the potential of CSS. It's *meant* to be style over content. |
| 02:53.05 | x-opher | anyone know of a good site to help me install a sound card |
| 02:53.06 | exark | hey, I jsut apt-get installed kde today..but whenever I try to start it, either from kdm or gdm, it hangs with no loading screen |
| 02:53.14 | PerfDave | mwilson: It's a particularly inappropriate example. |
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| 02:53.20 | x-opher | and how do I run X as root |
| 02:53.30 | x-opher | it's a major pain |
| 02:53.38 | MerlinCorey | x-opher: noooo, don't run X as root... |
| 02:53.39 | exark | x-opher: www.alsa-project.org is your using alsa |
| 02:53.40 | sgk284 | csszengarden has some amazing designs |
| 02:53.40 | mwilson | PerfDave: It's a perfect example of everything that's wrong with web "design". |
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| 02:53.51 | rich_ | Web and graphic designers really are not like us. Of the quiche eaters they are the ones most convinced that they use computers but they are wrong |
| 02:53.54 | nvz | sussudio: I dont see what that has to do with me, but oh well. |
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| 02:53.58 | nvz | yee haw |
| 02:54.02 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: so you think we should all go back to table hell..? |
| 02:54.06 | Guerin | x-opher: don't run x as root |
| 02:54.08 | PerfDave | mwilson: But it's not typical of the web as a whole. It's a site designed to showcase design. |
| 02:54.20 | sussudio | nvz: told you. userpics chose _you_. |
| 02:54.27 | siimo | anyone tell me how do setup an adsl connection ? i have this router http://www.dynalink.co.nz/products/rta770.htm with a network cable into my pc |
| 02:54.30 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: rather than seperating formatting and style from content..? *proper* css in theory makes it easier for YOU to view a site in lynx... |
| 02:54.30 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: I think we should go back to when content actually mattered. |
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| 02:54.40 | PerfDave | mwilson: That's like saying that an art gallery isn't as good as a library, because a library has more information. That doesn't mean that art galleries don't have their place, it just means you shouldn't go there if you don't care about art. |
| 02:54.48 | EsiX | perfdave; thank you for your help |
| 02:54.56 | PerfDave | EsiX: No worries |
| 02:55.23 | PerfDave | mwilson: there are plenty of sites where content does matter, and where using a GUI-based browser makes using the site easier rather than harder. debian.org is a good example :) |
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| 02:56.23 | unique11210 | hey perfdave |
| 02:56.27 | PerfDave | unique11210: Yes? |
| 02:56.34 | mwilson | PerfDave: When did I say I didn't use a GUI browser? Oh, you think links2 is a text browser? Gods, no... links sucks utterly as a text browser, I'd never use it for that. But its GUI mode isn't bad. |
| 02:56.38 | PerfDave | unique11210: Did you try reinstalling that thing? |
| 02:56.45 | unique11210 | i can login as root..but not as the user i created no more.. |
| 02:56.47 | Ghostbuster | hello all |
| 02:56.56 | unique11210 | yeah still no go... |
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| 02:57.12 | unique11210 | i'm logged in as root... but it won't let me use the user no more.. |
| 02:57.20 | EsiX | unique |
| 02:57.20 | Guerin | unique11210: why not? |
| 02:57.27 | EsiX | unique11210, adduser |
| 02:57.29 | PerfDave | unique11210: Can you log in to KDE and Gnome as root as well, or still only icewm and fluxbox? |
| 02:57.29 | Guerin | what error do you get? |
| 02:57.33 | EsiX | and recreate the user |
| 02:57.38 | unique11210 | don't no.. i don't get no error messages.. |
| 02:57.53 | Guerin | unique11210: what do you get when you try to login as user? |
| 02:57.57 | unique11210 | i'm logged in kde as root.. |
| 02:57.59 | Guerin | unique11210: to a text consoole, not into X |
| 02:58.06 | vipersniper | PerfDave, when i do a "make menuconfig" i get scripts/basic/fixdep.c errors |
| 02:58.14 | Guerin | unique11210: lgout now |
| 02:58.15 | PerfDave | vipersniper: /msg dpkg menuconfig |
| 02:58.20 | PerfDave | unique11210: The error messages are probably in the logfile of your display manager :) |
| 02:58.22 | unique11210 | no errors, just a blank screen than back to the login screen. |
| 02:58.46 | Guerin | unique11210: what do you get when trying to login to a TEXT CONSOLE? |
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| 02:59.48 | MerlinCorey | vipersniper: does xconfig work..? |
| 03:00.04 | MerlinCorey | vipersniper: and there's always oldconfig, if you're feeling... self-hating... |
| 03:00.11 | unique11210 | how do i login kde in a text console, never had to before..? |
| 03:00.17 | exark | MerlinCorey: lol |
| 03:00.21 | vipersniper | xconfig command not found |
| 03:00.33 | Guerin | unique11210: hit ctrl+alt+f3 |
| 03:00.37 | exark | vipersniper: make xconfig |
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| 03:00.47 | Guerin | vipersniper: don't use xconfig, use make menuconfig like a sane person |
| 03:01.01 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: his menuconfig is broken for whatever reason... |
| 03:01.09 | vipersniper | i sitll get the script errors |
| 03:01.28 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: whatever reason = hasn't got libncurses5-dev installed, I bet |
| 03:01.43 | MerlinCorey | heh :) |
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| 03:02.00 | unique11210 | yeah guerin |
| 03:02.05 | unique11210 | what else? |
| 03:02.13 | PerfDave | vipersniper: did you /msg dpkg menuconfig like I said? |
| 03:02.14 | Guerin | unique11210: log in |
| 03:02.32 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: tell me you checked that before telling him to make xconfig? |
| 03:02.36 | unique11210 | i'm logged |
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| 03:02.48 | PerfDave | unique11210: Into a text console? |
| 03:02.57 | PerfDave | unique11210: Or into KDE? |
| 03:02.59 | unique11210 | yeah |
| 03:03.00 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: can't say I did, but I can't say I checked his error message, either... watching futurama |
| 03:03.02 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 03:03.05 | unique11210 | test console |
| 03:03.10 | unique11210 | text* |
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| 03:03.18 | Guerin | grrrr |
| 03:03.25 | PerfDave | unique11210: As the user? |
| 03:03.29 | PerfDave | unique11210: Not as root? |
| 03:03.30 | unique11210 | yeah |
| 03:03.30 | vipersniper | PerfDave, /msg dpkg menuconfig "no such file or directory" |
| 03:03.34 | Guerin | unique11210: so your user works, KDE doesn;t |
| 03:03.42 | PerfDave | vipersniper: No, no, type it into your IRC window. |
| 03:03.47 | PerfDave | Guerin: Gnome doesn't either, apparently. |
| 03:03.55 | unique11210 | i'm using kde right now as root, and it works.. |
| 03:04.04 | PerfDave | Guerin: First step is to find out which DM he's using, I think; he doesn't seem to know. |
| 03:04.05 | exark | Soemone, please. I installed KDE today from unstable and it broke. When I log in, all I get is a blank screen where I can move my mouse around |
| 03:04.11 | Guerin | perhaps KDM is broken, then |
| 03:04.13 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:04.14 | PerfDave | exark: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 03:04.26 | exark | PerfDave: BTS? |
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| 03:04.50 | PerfDave | !btssmite exark |
| 03:04.51 | dpkg | Hey, exark: I tried to figure out what your malfunction was, but http://bugs.debian.org/exark came up empty. |
| 03:04.54 | unique11210 | is there a way to try to start kde in a console? |
| 03:04.58 | PerfDave | exark: /msg dpkg bts |
| 03:05.39 | PerfDave | unique11210: Log in to a text console as root, then type "dpkg-reconfigure xdm". It should bring up a window with a little box in the middle with xdm, and probably kdm and gdm in it. One of those will be highlighted in blue. Which one? |
| 03:06.08 | vipersniper | PerfDave, im not on the same computer im installing debian on |
| 03:06.40 | Guerin | unique11210: DON'T use kde as root |
| 03:06.46 | PerfDave | vipersniper: It doesn't matter. If you type "/msg dpkg menuconfig" into your IRC client, it won't execute any commands on your system, but dpkg will tell you how to fix the problem you're having. |
| 03:07.47 | unique11210 | xdm is not installed |
| 03:08.21 | PerfDave | unique11210: Now we're getting somewhere. Try dpkg-reconfigure kdm intead |
| 03:08.27 | PerfDave | !msgdpkg |
| 03:08.27 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. |
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| 03:09.03 | exark | PerfDave: BTS has nothing |
| 03:09.05 | unique11210 | gdm is installed |
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| 03:10.34 | unique11210 | it worked when i did the gdm |
| 03:11.16 | hulett | @find Jonathan*Strange |
| 03:11.27 | vipersniper | Guerin, Guerin MerlinCorey: whatever reason = hasn't got libncurses5-dev installed, I bet thanks, solve the problem |
| 03:11.54 | vipersniper | PerfDave, thanks for all your help also |
| 03:12.01 | PerfDave | unique11210: It didn't work when you did it with kdm? |
| 03:12.03 | sussudio | hmmm... appearently my ISP can delete entries from my cablemodem's error log now. sneaky bastards. too bad for them i'm saving the logs. |
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| 03:12.08 | unique11210 | nope |
| 03:12.13 | unique11210 | only gdm |
| 03:12.20 | PerfDave | unique11210: OK, your display manager is gdm, now we're getting somewhere. |
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| 03:12.38 | PerfDave | unique11210: Look in /var/log/gdm/ for errors, don't know what the exact file's called because I don't use gdm. |
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| 03:13.19 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Jonathan*Strange' returned no results. |
| 03:13.42 | nvz | sussudio: I wasnt aware they kept logs, but they are just little bridge devices. I never really tried accessing it, its outside my lan so I dont even think about it unless something stops working. |
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| 03:15.47 | sussudio | nvz: it has a little webserver. |
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| 03:15.49 | dsl1723 | i want to install kde, what do i need to do? apt-get install kde? |
| 03:15.57 | unique11210 | its 5 logs in the /gdm folder. |
| 03:15.59 | PerfDave | dsl1723: That should do it |
| 03:16.06 | drlion | dsl1723: kill yourself |
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| 03:16.19 | unique11210 | same stuff written in all of them.. |
| 03:16.25 | nvz | sussudio: we got the same modem right the Motorolla Surfboard 5100? |
| 03:16.36 | PerfDave | unique11210: Anything relevant to the problem you're having in them? |
| 03:16.48 | sussudio | nvz: yes |
| 03:16.48 | exark | dsl1723: Tell me if you can run KDE afterwards, I'm having issues |
| 03:16.50 | aFlag | is there a xfree86 channel? |
| 03:16.52 | unique11210 | no.. |
| 03:17.00 | PerfDave | unique11210: Nothing at all? |
| 03:17.09 | Guerin | dsl1723: apt-get install kde x-window-system |
| 03:17.20 | aFlag | i'm having a bit of trouble with it startx -depth 16 doesn't seems to work |
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| 03:17.49 | unique11210 | Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o": No symbols found |
| 03:17.52 | exark | aFlag: What error message are you getting? |
| 03:18.06 | unique11210 | Warning: font renderer for ".bdf.gz" already registered at priority 0 |
| 03:18.17 | PerfDave | unique11210: Another place to look might be ~user/.xsession-errors |
| 03:18.20 | unique11210 | Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list! |
| 03:18.34 | trave11er | unique11210: those are pretty harmless |
| 03:18.36 | nvz | sussudio: you call it up by the external IP it leases or by the bridge ip? |
| 03:18.51 | sussudio | nvz: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/modemlog.html |
| 03:18.58 | PerfDave | unique11210: That .xsession-errors file might be big though - you might want to delete it, then try logging in to kde with the user, then checking the file after that. |
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| 03:19.11 | sussudio | nvz: http://192.168.100.1/ |
| 03:19.33 | aFlag | exark, let me copy it |
| 03:19.39 | alubin | some one know how with the lftp with a single command can I log into a a account and get a file |
| 03:19.52 | PerfDave | alubin: man lftp? :) |
| 03:20.13 | sussudio | route add -net 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth1 |
| 03:20.15 | sussudio | route add -host 192.168.100.1 dev eth1 |
| 03:20.21 | exark | alubin: scp can do it for you |
| 03:20.23 | Guerin | alubin: wget ftp://user@host:path.to/foo.bar |
| 03:20.24 | sussudio | nvz: ^ this is what you do when the modem is on eth1 |
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| 03:21.06 | sussudio | nvz: unless you're already using 192.168.100.0 for your LAN |
| 03:21.39 | alubin | PerfDave: doesnt have nothing about it on the man |
| 03:21.50 | alubin | Guerin: i cant use wget |
| 03:21.53 | unique11210 | brb |
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| 03:21.59 | alubin | exark: and no ssh |
| 03:22.09 | Guerin | alubin: then you'll have to read the lftp manpages |
| 03:22.47 | PerfDave | Guerin: Why do you think you can't use wget to get a file by FTP? |
| 03:23.04 | Guerin | PerfDave: because I'm stupid and useless? |
| 03:23.12 | nvz | sussudio: I am using 10.0.0.0 for my lan, and I got into it at 192.168.100.1 |
| 03:23.13 | Guerin | or maybe because I don't have a shell... |
| 03:23.23 | PerfDave | Gah. |
| 03:23.31 | PerfDave | alubin: Why do you think you can't use wget to get a file by FTP? |
| 03:23.32 | sussudio | nvz: mkay |
| 03:23.57 | alubin | PerfDave: just because the machine dont have it installed |
| 03:24.03 | alubin | PerfDave: and i cant install. |
| 03:24.16 | PerfDave | alubin: D'oh. All machines should have wget installed, it is the most useful thing ever. |
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| 03:24.24 | nvz | sussudio: yeah I didnt know it did that, like I said its outside the network and as long as its serving its fuction most anything I need to see is logged elsewhere |
| 03:24.29 | unique11210 | no go.. |
| 03:24.39 | PerfDave | unique11210: Nothing in .xsession-errors? |
| 03:24.42 | unique11210 | still won't log in to kde or gnome with user.. |
| 03:24.59 | aFlag | (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 03:25.00 | aFlag | Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 03:25.12 | alubin | PerfDave: If its mine or your will have the wget,,, but it inst |
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| 03:25.25 | aFlag | the command is actually startx -- -depth 16 :1 |
| 03:25.38 | PerfDave | unique11210: Did you check the .xsession-errors file like I suggested? |
| 03:25.44 | sussudio | nvz: you can look at the signal levels if you're having issues too |
| 03:25.52 | aFlag | and i'd like to make zsnes start right away with it which i haven't been able to figure out yet |
| 03:25.55 | unique11210 | checking it now in fvwm |
| 03:26.31 | PerfDave | unique11210: No, don't check it out in fwvm |
| 03:26.43 | PerfDave | unique11210: That .xsession-errors file might be big though - you might want to delete it, then try logging in to kde with the user, then checking the file after that. |
| 03:26.49 | unique11210 | can't do it in kde |
| 03:27.14 | unique11210 | i did delete it, and tried to log into kde, no go.. |
| 03:27.32 | PerfDave | unique11210: It's simple. Go to console. Delete file. Attempt KDE login. Login fails. Back to console. Examine .xsession-errors. |
| 03:28.09 | PerfDave | That way, the .xsession-errors file will contain *only* what was written to it when you tried to start KDE. |
| 03:28.40 | unique11210 | how do i login to kde thru the console..? |
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| 03:29.02 | PerfDave | unique11210: You don't. You go back to your login manager and login there. |
| 03:29.20 | unique11210 | got it.. |
| 03:29.25 | PerfDave | OK, in even more detail: Go to console. Delete file. Go back to login manager. Attempt KDE login. Login fails. Back to console. Examine .xsession-errors. |
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| 03:30.23 | aFlag | when i try to do startx -- -depth 16 :1 i get the following error: |
| 03:30.37 | nvz | sussudio: I dont understand the DHCP Server Enabled, The SURFboard cable modem can be used as a gateway to the Internet by a maximum of 32 users on a Local Area Network (LAN).. stuff my router seems to use whatever IP the modem gets like its a transparent bridge, however it claims it is using DHCP server with pool starting around 192.168.100.11 |
| 03:30.39 | aFlag | ((EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 03:30.39 | aFlag | Symbol __glXActiveScreens from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a is unresolved! |
| 03:30.43 | aFlag | any ideas? |
| 03:31.02 | PerfDave | aFlag: Does it not happen when you do startx without any parameters? |
| 03:31.30 | nvz | sussudio: maybe I just dont know how a transparent bridge works ;) |
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| 03:32.14 | aFlag | never tried it |
| 03:32.18 | aFlag | let me see |
| 03:32.42 | Guerin | I think someone should write a remedial probalem solving howto |
| 03:32.46 | PerfDave | nvz: If it's an ethernet bridge, it could still provide DHCP services. And it could be forced to only recognise 32 MAC addresses, and stop passing frames for other ones until older ones timeout. |
| 03:32.58 | Guerin | about isolating variables and other simple principles |
| 03:33.08 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhmagic |
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| 03:33.51 | aFlag | yes, it does, what kind error/warning is it? |
| 03:34.02 | sussudio | nvz: it's just a dhcp server for your LAN, nothing more. |
| 03:34.15 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I've tried trianing helldesk dweebs for that stuff. Might be doable if you were allowed to inflict more pain on them if I was. But you can't do it by giving them something to read. |
| 03:34.29 | nvz | PerfDave: I have no idea, the modem says its running a DHCP Server and pooling from 192.168.100.11 to 192.168.100.42, and my router leases 68.185.202.200, which is my IP from the ISP's DHCP Server. |
| 03:34.31 | trave11er | aFlag: did you compile X yourself by any chance? |
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| 03:34.50 | guestish | why is only half of mozilla uploaded to sid?!?!? |
| 03:34.51 | sussudio | nvz: i disabled it |
| 03:34.55 | PerfDave | aFlag: Right, are you trying to run a second X server on a different monitor / graphics card, or two servers on different ttys on one head? |
| 03:35.01 | guestish | or is my mirror outdated? |
| 03:35.07 | nvz | sussudio: I dont see how, the only buttons are reset defaults, and reset modem. |
| 03:35.10 | remista | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.17 | aFlag | trave11er, no |
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| 03:35.32 | PerfDave | guestish: The package maintainer got lucky and has spent the last few weeks in a constant orgy with half-a-dozen large-breasted Amazon nymphomanicas. |
| 03:35.36 | sussudio | nvz: it's a checkbox :-P |
| 03:35.42 | PerfDave | This sort of thing happens when you're a Debian package maintainer. |
| 03:36.01 | guestish | PerfDave: lol |
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| 03:36.13 | nvz | sussudio: oh well, not on mine ;) |
| 03:36.16 | guestish | PerfDave: that or hes smoking a lot of weed |
| 03:36.30 | aFlag | PerfDave, no |
| 03:36.44 | sussudio | nvz: *shrug*. i have a 5100E btw (E for EuroDOCSIS) |
| 03:36.45 | PerfDave | aFlag: Uhm, I asked you an either-or question, not a yes-no one. |
| 03:36.58 | PerfDave | guestish: No, the large-breasted Amazon nymphomaniacs are more likely. |
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| 03:37.08 | samuel | hello all |
| 03:37.16 | samuel | ive got a question |
| 03:37.25 | guestish | PerfDave: rofl |
| 03:37.36 | samuel | ive got some mpeg files i want to make into xvid... how do i do that? |
| 03:37.40 | aFlag | PerfDave, if i try to run only one server i get the same error |
| 03:37.53 | Guerin | samuel: mencoder |
| 03:37.58 | kurumin026-RJ | boa noite ... tô procurando sala brasileira? |
| 03:37.58 | MaeWest | does yahoo messenger work with linux? |
| 03:38.06 | PerfDave | MaeWest: It can do. |
| 03:38.07 | Guerin | !br |
| 03:38.07 | dpkg | somebody said br was Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:38.11 | kurumin026-RJ | Kurumim Linux 3.21 |
| 03:38.13 | PerfDave | MaeWest: Try gaim |
| 03:38.13 | samuel | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:38.18 | Guerin | MaeWest: apt-get install gaim |
| 03:38.22 | MaeWest | ok |
| 03:38.23 | samuel | apt tell me about mencoder |
| 03:38.24 | PerfDave | !kurumin |
| 03:38.24 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 03:38.53 | nvz | sussudio: yeah I am looking at the source doesnt show anything but text. the only two input tags are those two buttons to reset default settings, and to reset the modem |
| 03:39.12 | trave11er | anybody has skype and a few free minutes to help me test my setup? |
| 03:39.15 | PerfDave | aFlag: Right, you're trying to load the glcore module when you haven't got it installed. So the simple solution would seem to be to change your X server config (dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86) and remove the glcore option towards the end. |
| 03:39.21 | PerfDave | Has skype been packaged for Debian yet? |
| 03:39.27 | trave11er | nope |
| 03:39.33 | MaeWest | (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtkspell0_2.0.7-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:39.34 | aFlag | what's that glcore module? |
| 03:39.37 | trave11er | but there is a linux version, which runs fine |
| 03:39.45 | guestish | mozilla takes forever to compile |
| 03:39.51 | trave11er | well, starts at least :-) |
| 03:39.57 | PerfDave | aFlag: It's an X module to provide OpenGL support at a guess. |
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| 03:40.12 | PerfDave | guestish: You're compiling into /usr/local, aren't you? |
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| 03:40.20 | guestish | PerfDave: not quite ;) |
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| 03:40.27 | guestish | PerfDave: dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot |
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| 03:40.40 | guestish | PerfDave: he uploaded the source but not the binaries |
| 03:40.43 | PerfDave | guestish: Oh, OK, I'll let you off. Thought you were compiling from upstream source. |
| 03:40.46 | guestish | PerfDave: =D |
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| 03:40.59 | kurumin026-RJ | Thank You for Healp-me |
| 03:41.02 | aFlag | PerfDave, do you know how may i get it? It doesn't seem to be anywhere in aptitude |
| 03:41.06 | guestish | PerfDave: let me off with a slap on the wrist eh? |
| 03:41.08 | trave11er | guestish: what version of mozilla are you talking about? |
| 03:41.11 | kurumin026-RJ | bye and good night!!! |
| 03:41.19 | PerfDave | guestish: Maybe it hasn't gotten through the build farm yet? AIUI, Debian maintainers just upload the source package and the binaries get build automagically. |
| 03:41.19 | MaeWest | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:41.19 | MaeWest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.21 | raymond | hello |
| 03:41.21 | guestish | trave11er: mozilla 1.7.3-5 |
| 03:41.33 | guestish | PerfDave: its been a week or so |
| 03:41.35 | PerfDave | aFlag: Just disable it in your X config. |
| 03:41.39 | samuel | Guerin: is mencoder part of something else? i cant seem to find the package |
| 03:41.45 | thomas_adam | Grr, why is it I can't find a newserver that allows me to *post*? |
| 03:41.54 | Guerin | samuel: it's part of mplayer |
| 03:41.55 | trave11er | guestish: i have it installed and working |
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| 03:41.58 | Guerin | !mplayer |
| 03:41.59 | dpkg | mplayer is not in Debian. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available: see ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for instructions. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 03:41.59 | unique11210 | ok |
| 03:42.14 | raymond | hey i'm kinda new to linux and i'm having some trouble installing it to my hard disk and i'm running phlak |
| 03:42.16 | trave11er | guestish: most likely your mirror is b0rked, if you have problems with it |
| 03:42.16 | PerfDave | MaeWest: What errors? |
| 03:42.20 | unique11210 | deleted the file xsession- |
| 03:42.21 | samuel | Gurerin: aaah, thanks |
| 03:42.24 | PerfDave | raymond: What is phlak? |
| 03:42.28 | x-opher | where's "alsaconfig |
| 03:42.30 | unique11210 | tried logging in to kde |
| 03:42.32 | guestish | trave11er: i tried the official us mirror |
| 03:42.36 | MaeWest | (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtkspell 0_2.0.7-1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:42.36 | MaeWest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.39 | raymond | profesonal hackers linux assault kit |
| 03:42.49 | Guerin | raymond: are you a professional hackjer? |
| 03:42.51 | unique11210 | then i went to console to try to read the xsession- |
| 03:42.57 | unique11210 | it was not there... |
| 03:42.58 | raymond | no |
| 03:42.59 | Guerin | !phlak |
| 03:43.00 | aFlag | PerfDave, i've recently insatalled nvidia drivers so i'm guessing it added it on the configuration file, and if it's not working it would like if it work. And maybe that's what making the emulators not to run as fast as i want |
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| 03:43.12 | nvz | sussudio: most I can gather is its just a Model SB5100, Software Version: SB5100-2.3.1.3-SCM00-NOSH, Hardware Version: 3, MIB Version: II, GUI Version: 1.0, VxWorks Version: 5.4. mine says manual configuration, but has no actual manual configuration ;) |
| 03:43.22 | PerfDave | aFlag: You mean the propriatery binary nvidia drivers? |
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| 03:43.33 | Guerin | raymond: then why are you installing a skr1pt kiddie 1337 slp01t howto distro? |
| 03:43.34 | raymond | its a free version of linux so i thought i'd give it a run |
| 03:43.42 | PerfDave | MaeWest: Try apt-get --reinstall install debianutils |
| 03:43.56 | unique11210 | hey perfdave can't i just reinstall everything with tasksel? |
| 03:44.00 | PerfDave | raymond: This is a support channel for Debian, I've never heard of this "phlak" |
| 03:44.02 | Guerin | raymond: try something which is designed for general use instead.phlak is a specialist's tool. |
| 03:44.05 | PerfDave | unique11210: You can, it probably won't fix anything. |
| 03:44.11 | unique11210 | and see it that works. |
| 03:44.17 | sussudio | Software Version: SB5100E-2.3.1.3-SCM01-NOSH Hardware Version: 3 MIB Version: II GUI Version: 1.0 VxWorks Version: 5.4 |
| 03:44.21 | trave11er | guestish: http://archive.progeny.com/debian/pool/main/m/mozilla/mozilla_1.7.3-5_i386.deb |
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| 03:44.24 | PerfDave | unique11210: Reinstalling doesn't often fix much. |
| 03:44.25 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 03:44.25 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 03:44.30 | aFlag | PerfDave, yes |
| 03:44.30 | unique11210 | what about if i delete the user and make a new user? |
| 03:44.34 | raymond | k |
| 03:44.38 | PerfDave | aFlag: How did you install it? |
| 03:44.40 | nvz | sussudio: newer software on yours |
| 03:44.45 | Guerin | raymond: ^^ download, burn and install the installer at that site |
| 03:44.57 | guestish | trave11er: there is more than 1 package |
| 03:45.02 | PerfDave | unique11210: It might be worth a go, but it seems that the problem is with gdm - I don't think it's KDE's fault at all. |
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| 03:45.10 | PerfDave | unique11210: You could try reinstalling gdm ;) |
| 03:45.11 | guestish | trave11er: there is mozilla-browser mozilla-psm and a ton of others |
| 03:45.14 | sussudio | nvz: no, i think that's just because of the DOCSIS vs EuroDOCSIS |
| 03:45.20 | trave11er | guestish: use archive.progeny.com, they are all there |
| 03:45.33 | trave11er | guestish: it is one of the most reliable mirrors, afaik |
| 03:45.34 | aFlag | PerfDave, just runned the script and installed, i didn't do it the debian way |
| 03:45.47 | PerfDave | aFlag: Hmm, then that's probably why you're having trouble now. |
| 03:45.50 | nvz | sussudio: maybe. the SCM01 is the only difference |
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| 03:45.58 | trave11er | guestish: deb http://archive.progeny.com/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 03:46.11 | MaeWest | (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.8.4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:46.11 | MaeWest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.17 | raymond | phlak has a client built into it that will install it to the disk but once i start installing it to the disk an error or something of that sort pops up and goes before i have time to read it |
| 03:46.27 | MaeWest | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:46.27 | MaeWest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.27 | MaeWest | Processing was halted because there were too many errors. |
| 03:46.30 | guestish | trave11er: alright, thanks |
| 03:46.34 | PerfDave | raymond: This is not a support channel for phlak |
| 03:46.45 | aFlag | maybe, i didn't realise there was any other way to install it back then |
| 03:46.50 | PerfDave | aFlag: The "Debian way" also installs the nvidia-glx module which is probably what you want. |
| 03:47.09 | guestish | trave11er: slow though |
| 03:47.11 | raymond | ight srry i just figured you'd know what phlak was since you use linux anyways |
| 03:47.32 | PerfDave | aFlag: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 03:47.35 | PerfDave | aFlag: That might fix it. |
| 03:47.41 | PerfDave | MaeWest: Oh dear. |
| 03:47.46 | aFlag | i just recently found out a tutorial about installing it the debian way, but it would actually require to me to upgrade my glibc for the unstable one |
| 03:48.00 | PerfDave | MaeWest: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.8.4_i386.deb |
| 03:48.09 | PerfDave | MaeWest: Then apt-get --reinstall install debianutils |
| 03:48.15 | rich_ | raymond It sounds like it isnt properly installed. First step is install debian. |
| 03:48.22 | unique11210 | can i install all three display manager? |
| 03:48.36 | PerfDave | unique11210: You can, but you can only use one at a time. |
| 03:48.36 | aFlag | PerfDave, i think those are for kernel 2.4 since it depends on it |
| 03:48.46 | unique11210 | ok.. |
| 03:48.51 | ugly | is there a utility that would tell the total length of a group of audio files (specifically MP3)? preferably in MM:SS format |
| 03:49.04 | joki | winamp? |
| 03:49.15 | joki | or xmms? |
| 03:49.15 | nvz | ugly: xmms would if you put them all into a playlist |
| 03:49.16 | ugly | .. joki: that I can use from command line |
| 03:49.16 | PerfDave | aFlag: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto and follow the glx steps there, possibly? |
| 03:49.17 | daaku | i'm trying to do a debootstrap install, and its crapping out with some Packages.bz2 retrives.. even if i change the server.. never happened before.. anyone have any ideas why that would happen? |
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| 03:49.22 | Guerin | joki: oohooh, winamp for *n?x? where! |
| 03:49.22 | unique11210 | i just reinstalled it, if that don;t work i'm going to try to make a new user and delete the one thats not logging in.. |
| 03:49.28 | unique11210 | thanks perfdave. |
| 03:49.33 | ugly | nvz: yea I should have specified, sorry - for use in a script |
| 03:49.35 | aFlag | and there's actually a module called glx which is loaded, then probably that GLcore is nothing |
| 03:49.38 | PerfDave | ugly: k3b would do it, but is probably overkill. |
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| 03:50.02 | nvz | ugly: well if you are scripting, just use some mp3info program and cut/grep/awk/sed it |
| 03:50.42 | nvz | ugly: what kind of script are you making? I am working on a Virtual Music Library Indexing script |
| 03:50.56 | ugly | nvz: ripping/encoding/tagging script |
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| 03:51.08 | concac | hey, can someone tell me how do i open .ps files? |
| 03:51.16 | PerfDave | concac: ghostview? |
| 03:51.16 | guestish | !tell concac about ggv |
| 03:51.21 | guestish | !tell concac about gv |
| 03:51.28 | ugly | nvz: +naming :P |
| 03:51.45 | concac | cool |
| 03:51.49 | concac | thanks :) |
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| 03:52.08 | nvz | ugly: try mp3info to get the info I guess |
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| 03:52.37 | ugly | nvz: yea it'll give me the total seconds for each track, which I can add together and convert, but bleh it's messy ;) |
| 03:52.43 | ugly | was hoping for a one step solution heh |
| 03:52.43 | MaeWest | this happened again |
| 03:52.45 | MaeWest | (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/debianutils_2.8.4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:52.45 | MaeWest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.46 | MaeWest | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:52.46 | MaeWest | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.02 | PerfDave | MaeWest: Did you try the rm command? |
| 03:53.08 | nvz | ugly: my script is suppose to be all encompasing, but I am focusing on building of a virtual index right now. |
| 03:53.08 | MaeWest | yes |
| 03:53.40 | PerfDave | MaeWest: Hmm. Sounds like you may have a knackered disk. Do you have a reasonabl fast net connection, or local install medium such as a Debian CD? |
| 03:54.02 | ugly | nvz: heh I'm all done with most of mine - just creating a "NFO" file like the TRUE scene kiddies |
| 03:54.16 | nvz | ugly: if you have seen pytone, which creates a virtual index based on tag info, my idea is the same only can be done with/without proper tags, and once the index is built, it doesnt matter which player or frontend you use.. the reason for redoing it is pytone is slow and not even close to as configurable as this will be |
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| 03:54.39 | ugly | nvz: never heard of pytone |
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| 03:55.09 | nvz | ugly: its a python/curses based player frontend like cplay but does virtal sorting by tag info |
| 03:55.30 | ugly | nvz: ah |
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| 03:55.47 | nvz | ugly: my script already does what pytone does, and its better cause I can build it then use the index with any program, |
| 03:56.10 | c-- | So, when trying to install the nvidia drivers for Debian, I'm told that I do not have an ok kernel so it will go ahead and recompile a new kernel for me. Problem is it then requests for the source tree and dies. How can I find if i have these source trees, and if I don't have them, can I apt-get them? (Since my kernel was done with apt-get?) |
| 03:56.25 | PerfDave | c--: How are you trying to install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 03:57.03 | nvz | ugly: I can use cplay and it looks like pytone's index (605) Artists/, (1152) Albums/ ..etc nice little index and once I start cleaning up the code, it will be so incredibly easy to setup a new layout without having to physically alter the files in any way |
| 03:57.37 | guestish | thats it, no more gnomes for me |
| 03:58.02 | Guerin | c--: apt-get install kernel-source-veersion, then make a symlink from where it is to /usr/src/linux |
| 03:58.35 | Guerin | c--: or just do it the debian way, by following this howto... |
| 03:58.40 | Guerin | !nvidia howto |
| 03:58.40 | dpkg | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
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| 03:58.56 | nvz | ugly: I want this just for my collection. but I see real applications for it. Like people who have ripped their fav commercial artists and listen to them, but also have like their own mixed tracks, or tracks from their band or for whatever reason have multiple collections of music that cant be physically mixed together but need to be seen as a whole indexed unit when you are in your media player |
| 03:59.03 | PerfDave | !nvidia-howto |
| 03:59.03 | dpkg | nvidia-howto is probably See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 03:59.19 | Guerin | hah, there are more |
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| 03:59.46 | ugly | nvz: yea sounds neat |
| 04:00.09 | Guerin | !nvisia-howto =~ s#installation.html#installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html# |
| 04:00.10 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'nvisia-howto', Guerin |
| 04:00.15 | Guerin | !nvidia-howto =~ s#installation.html#installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html# |
| 04:00.15 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
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| 04:00.33 | Guerin | dpkg, no, nvidia howto is <reply> see nvidia-howto |
| 04:00.33 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 04:00.42 | guestish | !nvidia howto |
| 04:00.42 | dpkg | nvidia-howto is probably See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 04:00.53 | guestish | o_O |
| 04:00.56 | EvilSporkMan | a loud crash issues forth from my speakers a minute or two after startup. any ideas as to what could be causing this? |
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| 04:01.50 | nvz | ugly: I am in the process of moving variables to an external file to be sourced in, so users can configure it independantly from their homedir, and some kind of sterylization routines.. if you dont use tag info, you either have to manually enter data, or try get it from the tracknames, in which case all tracknames have to be sterylized.. seems this method is for people who have no tags or bad tags.. which usually means they are stealing, but I am just ... |
| 04:01.56 | nvz | ... programming a script to be as flexible as possible I dont speculate on what it will be used for right now. |
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| 04:02.33 | unique11210 | hey perfdave.. |
| 04:02.38 | unique11210 | found something. |
| 04:02.52 | unique11210 | i kdm |
| 04:03.02 | guestish | fun |
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| 04:03.28 | PerfDave | unique11210: What have you found? |
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| 04:03.39 | nvz | once the tracknames are steril and the regular expression for the format is in place the script seems to build the index nicely with no tag info |
| 04:03.43 | unique11210 | i installed kdm, and tried to login to kde and got an error,,,(no write access to $home directory<home/unique11210>) |
| 04:03.45 | new2gentoo | !nvidia howto |
| 04:03.45 | dpkg | [nvidia-howto] See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 04:04.00 | aFlag | is there a way to do the command startx -exec zsnes -- -depth 16 :1? It works without the :1 |
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| 04:04.19 | Guerin | someone tell me about usb printers. when plugged in, they should spit some info into dmesg, right? |
| 04:04.24 | PerfDave | unique11210: That's a start. do: ls -ld /home/unique11210 |
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| 04:04.31 | tcsetattr | aFlag, put the :1 before the -depth 16 |
| 04:04.57 | PerfDave | Guerin: Presumably. They should at the least do some generic USB ID, and probably more if you've got the USB printing modules loaded (or got hotplug to do it for you) |
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| 04:05.27 | Dispatch | does xinbe support .avi? |
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| 04:05.38 | Dispatch | sorry, does xine support avi files? |
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| 04:05.46 | unique11210 | drwxrwxr-x 34 500 500 4096 2004-10-16 23:21 /home/unique11210 |
| 04:05.49 | nvz | seems its faster building the library from the index files and steril tracknames than tag info anyhow. so even with valid tags I see this being the perferred use of my script. which makes me realize it should just always work this way, and the means of sterilization should change from manual, guessing, and taginfo |
| 04:05.52 | PerfDave | Dispatch: With the w32codecs file it should |
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| 04:06.01 | aFlag | it worked, thanks :) |
| 04:06.06 | PerfDave | unique11210: You deleted and readded the user, right? |
| 04:06.18 | unique11210 | no |
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| 04:06.39 | unique11210 | i wanted to try a different login. |
| 04:06.46 | PerfDave | unique11210: As root, do: chown -r unique11210:unique11210 /home/unique11210 |
| 04:06.47 | Dispatch | ugh, then im just not having any luck with windows and linux |
| 04:06.49 | unique11210 | kdm instead of gdm. |
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| 04:07.39 | PerfDave | unique11210: Try that chown command, then logging in from either gdm or kdm |
| 04:07.41 | unique11210 | invalid option. |
| 04:07.49 | Guerin | PerfDave: hrm. |
| 04:07.52 | PerfDave | unique11210: Gah, chown -R |
| 04:07.56 | De_Mon | what would cause ps to return a user ID instead of its name? (only for 1 user) |
| 04:08.27 | unique11210 | brb hopefully in kde.. |
| 04:08.51 | nvz | De_Mon: I would say it cannot determine the username. I cant imagine how this happens. |
| 04:09.00 | tcsetattr | De_Mon, the uid doesn't have a name, or it couldn't be found for some reason. |
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| 04:10.13 | De_Mon | tcsetattr i can su to the user name... everything looks fine in /etc/passwd |
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| 04:10.29 | PerfDave | Guerin: hrm? |
| 04:10.34 | unique11210 | now my question is how did i loose my write access..? |
| 04:10.51 | unique11210 | thanks alot perfdave..... |
| 04:11.04 | unique11210 | back to my good ole kde... |
| 04:11.15 | De_Mon | adduser says the user exists |
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| 04:11.50 | PerfDave | unique11210: dunno. the user ID for unique11210 didn't match the user/group who owned the directory /home/unique11210 |
| 04:12.28 | MerlinCorey | is there a factoid about the reasoning for /usr/local/ for andrew`, anyone..?\ |
| 04:13.18 | MerlinCorey | other than, source built goes there 'cause it's debian policy... |
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| 04:14.21 | tcsetattr | stuff that's in /usr/local is not under the control of the OS vendor (which in the case of Debian means it's not known to the dpkg database). |
| 04:14.29 | johnga1t | what's a more user-friendly alternative to fdisk under debina? |
| 04:14.37 | PerfDave | !usrlocal |
| 04:14.37 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* compile it into /usr/local (normally with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local). Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: equivs |
| 04:14.57 | andrew` | !equivs |
| 04:14.58 | dpkg | somebody said equivs was a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell dpkg you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/* |
| 04:15.10 | PerfDave | MerlinCorey: That do? |
| 04:15.18 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: let's ask andrew` |
| 04:15.32 | MerlinCorey | andrew`: that's the bitch debian and why they say it must be so :P |
| 04:15.39 | PerfDave | andrew`: Clear enough? |
| 04:15.40 | andrew` | lol |
| 04:15.52 | johnga1t | what utilities (other than fdisk) can be used to edit partition tables? |
| 04:15.53 | andrew` | yeah...but it just seems like apt should be smarter than that? |
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| 04:16.10 | PerfDave | andrew`: How should apt know about stuff you've compiled? |
| 04:16.15 | zoghome | can python distutils created debas as well as rpms? |
| 04:16.18 | trave11er | johnga1t: cfdisk, parted |
| 04:16.21 | PerfDave | johnga1t: parted, qtparted, cfdisk |
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| 04:16.41 | MerlinCorey | andrew`: that's what equivs is for, it seems... then you're letting it know... |
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| 04:17.20 | andrew` | :) |
| 04:17.26 | PerfDave | andrew`: No package manager can reasonably do that, unless it's literally intercepting every filesystem call which would be slow (not to mention inaccurate anyway). |
| 04:17.33 | OhMyAchinLap | does anyone know what package i would apt-get in debian to get "dig"? |
| 04:17.40 | tcsetattr | dnsutils? |
| 04:17.42 | PerfDave | OhMyAchinLap: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:17.52 | OhMyAchinLap | i'm wondering if theres just no deb0an-sparc package |
| 04:18.00 | OhMyAchinLap | PerfDave, thanks, i'll try that |
| 04:18.05 | andrew` | yeah, it's understandable |
| 04:18.05 | tcsetattr | dnsutils. |
| 04:18.21 | OhMyAchinLap | tcsetattr, apt-getting that now |
| 04:18.25 | johnga1t | PerfDave: thanks. i've used cfdisk to set it up ... but now i can't mount it ... did mount -t ext2 /dev/hdc1 /mnt/mydrive |
| 04:18.34 | johnga1t | PerfDave: any ideas why that might be screwed? |
| 04:18.48 | PerfDave | johnga1t: There appears to be a control character in that /mnt |
| 04:18.52 | trave11er | johnga1t: did you create the filesystem? |
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| 04:19.04 | trave11er | after creating the partition? |
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| 04:19.19 | johnga1t | trave11er: apparently not ... sorry to be ignorant .... |
| 04:19.28 | johnga1t | trave11er: thought that cfdisk took care of that ? |
| 04:19.36 | trave11er | johnga1t: run mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdc1 |
| 04:19.49 | PerfDave | johnga1t: No, cfdisk makes partitions :) |
| 04:19.51 | trave11er | that will create ext2 filesystem on this partition |
| 04:19.57 | njbair | i've got a friend over and i want to show off debian... anything particularly impressive you can think of? |
| 04:19.59 | johnga1t | trave11er: thanks. |
| 04:20.03 | johnga1t | PerfDave: thanks as well |
| 04:20.05 | trave11er | and then it is possible to mount it |
| 04:20.15 | PerfDave | njbair: Since Phated isn't here... SuperTux! |
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| 04:20.32 | Phated | PerfDave: I AM here, |
| 04:20.33 | PerfDave | xtapo: You say "gets to play with Gentoo" like it's a good thing ;) |
| 04:20.34 | Phated | silly. |
| 04:20.35 | PerfDave | Phated: Oh, fine. |
| 04:20.43 | PerfDave | Phated: You were being unnaturally quiet. |
| 04:20.50 | njbair | k thanks |
| 04:20.50 | PerfDave | xtapo: backport? ;) |
| 04:20.53 | Phated | njbair: To show off Debian... show him cmatrix! |
| 04:20.59 | johnga1t | trave11er: excellent. appreciated |
| 04:21.04 | trave11er | johnga1t: np |
| 04:21.04 | ickywicky | So I'm reading the nvidia Install tutorial and I don't quite understand what "Ensure you have main contrib non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list" means. What am I looking for? |
| 04:21.05 | PerfDave | cmatrix is truly elite. |
| 04:21.06 | Phated | PerfDave: Why you little whippersnapper. |
| 04:21.10 | Phated | Oh yes. |
| 04:21.11 | xtapo | PerfDave: Well, so far I left it syncing during the install, and the install is damn pretty. I hope it's a good distro. |
| 04:21.21 | Phated | PerfDave: Well we FINALLY agree. |
| 04:21.28 | PerfDave | xtapo: Yes, I hoped that as well ;) |
| 04:21.37 | xtapo | heh |
| 04:21.50 | PerfDave | ickywicky: man 5 sources.list |
| 04:22.19 | scarynetworkguy | njbair: Nessus |
| 04:22.48 | PerfDave | ickywicky: Basically, the lines that start "deb" for your main package repository should end with "main contrib non-free" |
| 04:22.48 | xtapo | Jabberd 1.4.2 is in Woody, 1.4.3 is the latest of the 1.4 series, and has a LOT of bug fixes. |
| 04:22.49 | xtapo | Why, oh why, is it Debian's intent to leave everything old? |
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| 04:22.50 | sussudio | !fist xtapo |
| 04:22.54 | scarynetworkguy | !qotd11 |
| 04:22.54 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 04:22.56 | PerfDave | xtapo: It's not Debian's intent. You're running the stable distro. Stable is *frozen*, the only thing that gets in are security patches. |
| 04:22.56 | MerlinCorey | !love sunny256 |
| 04:23.00 | MerlinCorey | errr.. |
| 04:23.01 | xtapo | !kill sussudio |
| 04:23.09 | MerlinCorey | !love sussudio |
| 04:23.20 | PerfDave | xtapo: There are about a million ways to get more recent versions of software into stable. |
| 04:23.24 | rich_ | xtapo In debian, something doesnt just have to be stable to be stable. In debian everything it depends on needs to be stable too |
| 04:23.47 | PerfDave | xtapo: If you want more recent software, run testing, or backport individual packages. |
| 04:24.16 | xtapo | PerfDave, let's say I change the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list to testing from stable, and then dist-upgrade, then say it's released as stable. Can I safely change it to stable? |
| 04:24.18 | MerlinCorey | xtapo: /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:24.22 | MerlinCorey | xtapo: if you haven't already... |
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| 04:24.39 | PerfDave | xtapo: Change it to sarge, that way when sarge is released you won't start tracking etch. |
| 04:24.41 | xtapo | *work |
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| 04:24.54 | srid | infinity:~# apt-get update |
| 04:24.55 | srid | E: Malformed line 10 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 04:25.01 | xtapo | huh, you can change it to sarge? |
| 04:25.05 | PerfDave | xtapo: Putting a deb-src line for sarge or sid into your sources.list and typing "apt-get --build source jabber" is hard? |
| 04:25.08 | PerfDave | xtapo: Yes, you can. |
| 04:25.12 | srid | line 10 is .. |
| 04:25.13 | srid | deb http://kitenet.net/~joey/debian unstable |
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| 04:25.22 | MerlinCorey | xtapo: yes, you can change it to slink or hamm, if you really want, I think... |
| 04:25.25 | xtapo | This I did not know. Thanks PerfDave! |
| 04:25.26 | PerfDave | srid: man 5 sources.lsit |
| 04:25.27 | srid | why i get this error? |
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| 04:25.48 | MerlinCorey | srid: man sources.list |
| 04:25.56 | srid | the syntax is correct |
| 04:26.14 | MerlinCorey | srid: don't you need main / non-free / non-us ? |
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| 04:26.22 | PerfDave | srid: No, compare it to other deb lines, it's not correct. |
| 04:26.28 | srid | MerlinCorey: that's in different main mirror |
| 04:26.31 | PerfDave | srid: And read the manpage, that will tell you what is correct. |
| 04:26.43 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: no, no, "it's correct" |
| 04:26.59 | PerfDave | srid isn't stupid, he's *advanced*! |
| 04:27.04 | Guerin | why the FUCK is the line in config for usb printers called USB_PRINTER, and the module called usblp.ko |
| 04:27.09 | MerlinCorey | ah, well he IS using sid... |
| 04:27.14 | Guerin | fucking fuckers |
| 04:27.32 | xtapo | Ooh, that commercial where all the AOL members come in to make the internet better! How funny and unique! |
| 04:27.34 | srid | my sources.list http://rafb.net/paste/results/N8dzMj32.html |
| 04:27.39 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: 'cause it's a... knock out..? *badump ba* |
| 04:27.39 | PerfDave | Guerin: It's part of our plan to drive you mad and steal your wife. |
| 04:27.48 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:28.05 | PerfDave | srid: Well done, it's an invalid sources.list |
| 04:28.11 | rich_ | xtapo I havent seen it, but the word that springs to mind is "terifying" |
| 04:28.23 | MerlinCorey | xtapo: yes, because AOL controls the entire intarnet... |
| 04:28.33 | MerlinCorey | there is no intarnet without AOL... |
| 04:28.35 | tcsetattr | "I have an idea to make the Internet better... how about if all us AOLers got the fuck out of it?" |
| 04:28.36 | xtapo | MerlinCorey: You mean the intarweb. |
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| 04:28.46 | MerlinCorey | AOL runs the master internet server... |
| 04:28.50 | xtapo | Comcast calls it the interweb. |
| 04:28.54 | trave11er | srid: you need to add at least 'main' ufter 'unstable' and 'experimental' in lines 10,11 |
| 04:28.56 | srid | ok, got it |
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| 04:29.05 | PerfDave | AOL runs the Master COntrol program |
| 04:29.09 | Gnea | MerlinCorey: for aol :) |
| 04:29.42 | MerlinCorey | Gnea: GNO! FOR TEH WH03L INTARWEB! WITHOUT AOL THERE IS NO IRC! |
| 04:29.42 | PerfDave | srid: You know, if you don't know how sources.list works, you probably shouldn't be running sid, let alone "Joey Hess' bleeding edge repository", whatever that may be. |
| 04:29.44 | MerlinCorey | :p |
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| 04:29.48 | xtapo | So, have the Red Sox lost yet? |
| 04:29.51 | Gnea | rofl |
| 04:30.05 | tcsetattr | What iz IRC? do you mean MIRC? |
| 04:30.07 | Gnea | the red sox won? |
| 04:30.14 | MerlinCorey | oh yeah, MIRC... |
| 04:30.21 | xtapo | I don't know, I'm wondering if they've lost yet. |
| 04:30.28 | MerlinCorey | What client do you use for MIRC, tcsetattr? |
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| 04:30.30 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 04:30.34 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: watch your language |
| 04:30.35 | Gnea | dude i don't pay attention to that crap :) |
| 04:30.36 | Guerin | hrm, and why, once I probe that module, do I still get "Unable to open USB device "usb:/dev/usb/lp0": No such device" : naturally, it is there, and permissionised correctly |
| 04:30.40 | PerfDave | !tell srid about sid upgrade |
| 04:30.46 | xtapo | (It's sad, because I'm from and live in boston, and I know they're going to lose.) |
| 04:30.54 | tcsetattr | Guerin, does dmesg show a USB printer being detected? |
| 04:30.58 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: eh..? :/ |
| 04:31.09 | srid | now I get error when run 'apt-get update' : http://rafb.net/paste/results/tWGHUA74.html |
| 04:31.15 | Gnea | xtapo: i used to live 1.5 hours from buffalo, and the bills never won a superbowl. no loss, no gain. :) |
| 04:31.18 | De_Mon | GAH! the reason my username wasnt displayed is because it was TOO LONG O_o |
| 04:31.19 | tcsetattr | it should look something like drivers/usb/class/usblp.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 2 if 1 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0x3111 |
| 04:31.21 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: MIRC. No reason to say nasty things ok? |
| 04:31.26 | MerlinCorey | rofl |
| 04:31.28 | MerlinCorey | ok, scarynetworkguy :D |
| 04:31.36 | Guerin | tcsetattr: hrm, no, only the driver being loaded |
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| 04:31.48 | PerfDave | srid: Those are fairly standard errors. |
| 04:31.57 | Gnea | Guerin: maybe i missed it... what printer is it? |
| 04:32.02 | PerfDave | srid: It's because your deb line doesn't match the layout of the repository. |
| 04:32.14 | De_Mon | scarynetworkguy do you use udev? |
| 04:32.14 | PerfDave | srid: read `man sources.list` to learn how to fix it. |
| 04:32.26 | Guerin | Gnea: stylus c20ux |
| 04:32.28 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: *nods* |
| 04:32.30 | tcsetattr | Guerin, if you unplug it and plug it back in, does dmesg log any notification ofa device being added? |
| 04:32.34 | scarynetworkguy | De_Mon: WTF? |
| 04:32.37 | Guerin | I know the printer works, I've had it working on this machine before |
| 04:32.39 | Gnea | Guerin: ok, what's lsusb report it as? |
| 04:32.41 | MerlinCorey | srid: don't use sid, I don't want to support you when it breaks more :/ |
| 04:32.45 | Gnea | ah cool |
| 04:32.51 | srid | MerlinCorey: sid is cool |
| 04:32.56 | trave11er | srid: http://kitenet.net/~joey/debian/unstable/README |
| 04:32.58 | Guerin | nothing in lsusb, I'm wondering whether acpi has fucked the usb up |
| 04:33.06 | MerlinCorey | !moron srid |
| 04:33.07 | PerfDave | srid: Sarge is cooler. All the cool kids use Sarge. |
| 04:33.07 | dpkg | srid: You are moron #64 |
| 04:33.08 | Gnea | uh |
| 04:33.14 | trave11er | srid: instructions are there, you do not need main after all |
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| 04:33.21 | trave11er | just add a slash after unstable |
| 04:33.22 | Guerin | I'm remote, as well, so we're relying on my mother following my instructions correctly :( |
| 04:33.27 | De_Mon | scarynetworkguy ... it's 2.6's replacement for devfs i'll take that as a no |
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| 04:33.33 | Gnea | if it's not showing up in the bus so that's probably the issue right there |
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| 04:33.39 | PerfDave | srid: I deleted my sid install and installed sarge because my girlfriend left me for a Gentoo user. |
| 04:33.40 | Gnea | Guerin: oh dear.. |
| 04:33.47 | tcsetattr | Guerin, is the appropriate hcd driver loaded? |
| 04:33.55 | scarynetworkguy | De_Mon: I dunno I use whatever it put there |
| 04:34.01 | tcsetattr | ohci-hcd or uhci-hcd and/or ehci-hcd or whatever the old names are |
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| 04:34.09 | johnga1t | i've got a 40gb drive, w about 600mb actually used ... i'd like to backup those 600mb (preferably to an iso) ... what's the best way to do that? |
| 04:34.14 | Guerin | yup, uhci-hcd. |
| 04:34.16 | johnga1t | (dd is trying to get whole drivfe) |
| 04:34.43 | Gnea | Guerin: heh, the past couple weeks my mother couldn't use the internet cuz the linksys router i put in place somehow got its password changed... it wasn't until my sister accidentally power cycled it did it start working again |
| 04:34.43 | vipersniper | i need to make initrd.img for the kernel-2.6.8, whats the command |
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| 04:34.43 | De_Mon | scarynetworkguy ahh okies |
| 04:34.43 | Gnea | Guerin: she's in ny and i'm in wi lol |
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| 04:34.59 | Gnea | Guerin: tell her to turn the power on to the printer |
| 04:35.00 | Dispatch | I've tried everything I can think of to get video files playing smoothly on my old 200mhz 192mb ram comp, and have had no luck. what can i do, software wise, if anything |
| 04:35.02 | PerfDave | johnga1t: partimage would be a good thing, probably. |
| 04:35.07 | Gnea | at least get something in lsusb to show up |
| 04:35.12 | scarynetworkguy | De_Mon: I'm very non-leet when it comes to PCs I just let it do what needs to to so that it just works. |
| 04:35.22 | PerfDave | Dispatch: Use mplayer with -framedrop and -hard-framedrop |
| 04:35.26 | vipersniper | Guerin, i need to make initrd.img for the kernel-2.6.8, whats the command |
| 04:35.33 | MerlinCorey | now srid is going to switch to gentoo and complain the mean people in #debian called him a moron... |
| 04:35.35 | Gnea | Guerin: that's also why i installed usbmgr on there with the beeps enabled |
| 04:35.42 | Guerin | vipersniper: man mkinitrd |
| 04:35.43 | initech | Dispatch: not a lot ... a good video card might help. the older matrox cards have some nice video features |
| 04:35.58 | PerfDave | MerlinCorey: You're saying this like I'm supposed to care ;) |
| 04:36.02 | Dispatch | PerfDave where can i get mplayer, ive apt-cache searched for it many times, im very new to linuyx |
| 04:36.07 | Guerin | yeah, something which beeps would be useful |
| 04:36.08 | PerfDave | Dispatch: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 04:36.17 | foreyez | hello.. i was wonderin-- is a tcp handshake done with ip packets? and the whole syn/ack stuff... are those empty data packets? |
| 04:36.19 | Gnea | hotplug never impressed me much |
| 04:36.25 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: so pretty much "mission acomplished" |
| 04:36.26 | PerfDave | MerlinCorey: was there an interesting /quit or /part message? |
| 04:36.34 | Gnea | foreyez: sure |
| 04:36.35 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: indeed... |
| 04:36.36 | scarynetworkguy | foreyez: yes and no |
| 04:36.50 | initech | foreyez: of course they're ip, and tcp, and yes, there is no payload |
| 04:36.52 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: nope, but he didn't say much after dpkg moronated him... |
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| 04:37.08 | foreyez | scarynetworkguy, the data is not empty? |
| 04:37.18 | Gnea | foreyez: payload is only present when you type something in here and you see any responses coming back :) |
| 04:37.28 | foreyez | gnea, payload=data ? |
| 04:37.30 | Gnea | >>>>>>>>>>PAYLOAD<<<<<<<<<<<< |
| 04:37.36 | Gnea | foreyez: indeed |
| 04:37.46 | scarynetworkguy | foreyez: slap a sniffer on it and see for yourself |
| 04:37.57 | MerlinCorey | but hey, running sid 'cause it's cool, and having no idea how to really setup apt on your own, now *that's* cool... |
| 04:38.16 | foreyez | gnea, when i do a 3-way tcp handshake is there any payload? |
| 04:38.31 | Gnea | foreyez: only if someone spits on it :) |
| 04:38.36 | foreyez | perfdave, tanks ;) |
| 04:38.37 | initech | foreyez: nope |
| 04:38.49 | foreyez | oh ok |
| 04:38.51 | initech | foreyez: look at tcpdump while it's happening |
| 04:39.03 | tcsetattr | you could build a TCP packet with SYN and payload in it... but it would most likely be rejected by a normal host. the usual handshake is no payload in either direction until after the SYN, SYNACK, ACK. _maybe_ on the 3rd packet of the handshake you could put some data and have it work. |
| 04:39.18 | Guerin | damnit, now she has to go to my sister's place |
| 04:39.28 | initech | tcsetattr: hopefully it would be rejected :) |
| 04:39.38 | Dispatch | PerfDave what exactly is frame drop? |
| 04:39.44 | Dispatch | PerfDave a program? |
| 04:39.48 | Gnea | Guerin: ain't that a bitch... :) |
| 04:39.54 | foreyez | initech, tcp dump shows me a bunch of stuff.. i can't see any 'syn' or stuff like that... ? |
| 04:40.02 | PerfDave | Dispatch: -framedrop is an option to mplayer which tells it to skip frames if it's short on RAM or CPU. |
| 04:40.05 | tcsetattr | mplayer -framedrop says "if the CPU can't keep up with the video, skip some frames instead of playing slow-motion". |
| 04:40.17 | initech | foreyez: you need to leanr how to read the output :) |
| 04:40.31 | tcsetattr | foreyez, when you see an "S" in tcpdump, that's a SYN. |
| 04:40.42 | Dispatch | PerfDave does it come with mplayer, like an option within mplayer? |
| 04:40.44 | trave11er | foreyez: try ethereal, it decodes the packets for you |
| 04:40.45 | foreyez | initech, true.. :) |
| 04:40.48 | PerfDave | Dispatch: Yes |
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| 04:41.17 | foreyez | tcsetattr, when are tcp handshakes present? everytime i access a website or what? |
| 04:41.21 | Guerin | i need to find a hotplug script for this damn printer |
| 04:41.34 | Guerin | maybe a reboot will help |
| 04:41.36 | foreyez | traveller, i gotta use tcpdump its for a class |
| 04:41.39 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:42.12 | tcsetattr | foreyez, the TCP handshake is the beginning of a connection. The higher-level protocols decide when to initiate a connection and when to close it. |
| 04:42.27 | Gnea | foreyez: http://phrack.org/ |
| 04:42.46 | PerfDave | Bah, oggenc makes supertux unplayable |
| 04:42.49 | Gnea | foreyez: lot of good articles there, you should read a lot of the archived ones, they will explain a lot of what you are after there |
| 04:42.51 | tcsetattr | for example, when you connect to the IRC server, that's a TCP connection. There's a handshake, and the connection stays up for potentially a very long time. When you disconnect from the IRC server, there will be some FIN packets to terminate the connection. |
| 04:43.26 | foreyez | gnea, thanks.. i'll definately do that, just thought i'd get some b/g info here before i do |
| 04:43.54 | njbair | i screwed up earlier and accidentally uninstalled some xwindows components. i restored most of them, but my graphical login screen is now different. i don't have the option boxes for KDE or Gnome, I just have a very basic box with username/password fields. any idea what package contains the advanced login dialog? |
| 04:44.02 | foreyez | tcsetattr, i.e everytime i connect to something be it a website, an ssh, or anything-- it's tcp? |
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| 04:44.17 | tcsetattr | HTTP is a contrast to that. Most HTTP connections are very short-lived. The client makes a connection and downloads a single file and then closes the connection. It doesn't _have_ to be that way, but HTTP implementors are not very considerate :) |
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| 04:44.39 | Dispatch | what do i message to get info on mplayer again? |
| 04:44.45 | tcsetattr | TCP is the most popular transport-layer protocol. It is used by SMTP, HTTP, IRC, SSH, and lots of other stuff. |
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| 04:45.18 | Guerin | Dispatch: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 04:45.20 | foreyez | tcsetattr, oh okay... and tcp is inside an ip packet right? |
| 04:45.42 | tcsetattr | a TCP segment is inside an IP datagram which is inside an ethernet (or PPP or some other kind of) packet |
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| 04:46.48 | spirax | now that sarge is frozen, what does that mean exactly? are updates to packages still made, just no additional packages add, or what? |
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| 04:47.53 | foreyez | tcsetattr, okay.. and one last thing-- when i connect to another computer using ssh, it'll do a tcp 3-way handshake and connect... now, after the connection is made it will be sending tcp messages at all time? (i.e tcp is not just in the beginning right?) |
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| 04:48.07 | rich_ | spirax I no new updates to packages unles sthey are to fix release critical problems. |
| 04:48.10 | ugly | I'm curious why XMMS reports that a WAV is 42:07 in length, but dividing the byte size (du --block-size=1 and du -b as well) by 180,000 (1,440,000/8) gives a slighter shorter length (about a minute less). Is XMMS rounding somewhere, or is there a problem with my math? |
| 04:48.17 | Dispatch | Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/ var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Pa ckages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 04:48.17 | rich_ | spirax I think |
| 04:48.28 | Dispatch | can anyone tell me what i need to do to make that go away forever? |
| 04:48.34 | srid | during 'apt-get update' how do I specify the sources (deb, deb-src) .. only for which the Packages.gz must be updated .. but not for all .. as my internet connection is bandwidth-limited |
| 04:48.35 | tcsetattr | foreyez, the entire thing is using TCP |
| 04:48.57 | foreyez | tcsetattr, so IP is just the 'wrapper' right? but tcp is the language? |
| 04:49.00 | srid | Dispatch: run 'apt-get update' |
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| 04:49.23 | Dispatch | ahhh, thx |
| 04:49.51 | PerfDave | Dispatch: You should always run "apt-get update" after changing your sources.list |
| 04:49.56 | tcsetattr | foreyez, IP is the foundation on which TCP is built, and TCP is the foundation for a lot of other things |
| 04:50.06 | Dispatch | k, thx |
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| 04:50.19 | foreyez | PerfDave, i'm scared of learnin that ;) |
| 04:50.33 | spirax | when a new stable release is made, does the name of unstable change? |
| 04:50.39 | PerfDave | foreyez: It's nice and simple. Basically, networking works by stacking protocols on front of each other. |
| 04:50.47 | PerfDave | spirax: No. Unstable is and always will be sid. |
| 04:50.53 | PerfDave | Sid will never be released. |
| 04:50.53 | rich_ | spirax Thats changed. I think the new plan is "no" |
| 04:51.07 | PerfDave | rich_: Changed from what? |
| 04:51.21 | foreyez | perfDave, the kernel makes everyone of those stacks work together? |
| 04:51.30 | PerfDave | foreyez: Yeah. |
| 04:51.39 | PerfDave | Well, some of it's done in hardware by the NIC, for example. |
| 04:51.39 | trave11er | foreyez: jeez, it is very simple. ip cart, on which there is a container (tcp packet) containing the goodies |
| 04:51.51 | trave11er | ip packet is a cart |
| 04:52.08 | rich_ | PerfDave I dont know. I have enough trouble seeing the future, I lose track of the past |
| 04:52.11 | PerfDave | The lowest level of the OSI stack is the actual signals on the wire :) |
| 04:52.17 | foreyez | traveller, so why would you need other protocols like udp and such? |
| 04:52.35 | trave11er | foreyez: different purposes |
| 04:52.49 | trave11er | foreyez: udp is fire-and-forget kind of protocol |
| 04:52.53 | PerfDave | foreyez: UDP doesn't do TCP handshaking. It's less stable, but lower latency, and is hence good for streaming where you don't mind the odd packet loss. |
| 04:53.07 | trave11er | tcp more or less guarantees that data will be delivered |
| 04:53.16 | PerfDave | foreyez: TCP is significnantly more reliable, and used where accuracy is more important than speed. |
| 04:53.38 | srid | if a package is listed in Packages.gz of 2 sources say ... and if one is version 1.0 and other being 1.1, which one will be installed if I install that package using apt-get ?? |
| 04:53.52 | PerfDave | srid: All other things being equal, the higher version number. |
| 04:54.05 | foreyez | okay i get it...... (starting to anyway) |
| 04:54.28 | PerfDave | foreyez: The OSI model is very simple and easy to understand. It's a bit of a shame that TCP/IP doesn't fit it hugely well |
| 04:54.53 | srid | PerfDave: one source is from main debian repository and other is 3rd party .. is there any way to restrict apt-get to use only one source (not other) when installing it and it's dependencies ?? |
| 04:55.03 | PerfDave | srid: yes |
| 04:55.07 | foreyez | perfDave, when i create a packet.. say with libnet-- and inject it. where does arp come in? |
| 04:55.12 | srid | PerfDave: can you tell me? |
| 04:55.18 | PerfDave | srid: Read the APT HOWTO |
| 04:55.35 | PerfDave | foreyez: arp is at the Ethernet layer, below IP. |
| 04:55.43 | tcsetattr | arp is what binds IP addresses (layer 3) to ethernet addresses (layer 2) |
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| 04:56.20 | spirax | and rarp is the reverse. |
| 04:56.23 | PerfDave | foreyez: To send out an ethernet frame, you need to know the MAC address you're sending it to. ARP is where a computer goes "What's the MAC address of the computer with this IP address?" |
| 04:56.25 | pipeline | PerfDave: The OSI model is a goddamned nightmare |
| 04:56.30 | tcsetattr | if the kernel needs to send an IP datagram over an ethernet link, and doesn't know what ethernet address to send it to, it will send an arp request |
| 04:56.41 | pipeline | PerfDave: It was supposed to glue together a number of protocols that also bear the description "goddamned nightmare" |
| 04:56.43 | foreyez | perfdave, Mac=my ethernet hardware? |
| 04:56.53 | johnga1t | is there an easy way to see what pkg supplies crt1.o |
| 04:56.53 | johnga1t | ? |
| 04:57.03 | PerfDave | foreyez: Every bit of ethernet hardware has a MAC address, which should be globally unique |
| 04:57.07 | PerfDave | johnga1t: /msg dpkg search |
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| 04:57.50 | trave11er | foreyez: here you go: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/osi.htm :-) |
| 04:57.55 | pipeline | PerfDave: TCP/IP, the "DoD model", is much simpler and usually a great deal more correct. How many truly standard encapsulatable, encapsulating protocols exist above the fourth layer? |
| 04:58.05 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: almost true |
| 04:58.51 | scarynetworkguy | Every piece of networking hardware has a MAC address, which should be globally unique |
| 04:59.08 | foreyez | traveller, been there, done that ;) but still have quite a bit of questions...... |
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| 04:59.45 | foreyez | scarynetworkguy, if my gateway doesn't know what your gateway's address is.. would it send an arp request as an ip packet? |
| 04:59.48 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: What about stuff that isn't Ethernet-based? |
| 05:00.21 | PerfDave | foreyez: ARP only happens on the local network |
| 05:00.21 | trave11er | foreyez: i am pretty sure, that with some moderate googling you can find the information of desired level of detailing and complexity |
| 05:00.21 | tcsetattr | bridge devices, which are virtual devices created from a group of physical ports, also have a MAC address - which can't realistically be made globally unique |
| 05:00.22 | PerfDave | foreyez: It works as an IP broadcast. |
| 05:00.57 | tcsetattr | an ARP packet is not an IP packet. |
| 05:01.06 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: yes even non Ethernet-based stuff. That's the whole point |
| 05:01.24 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: So if I have a SLIP connection, the SLIP interfaces have MAC addresses? |
| 05:01.31 | foreyez | tcsetattr, so there are things going on in the wires that are not necessarily ip packets? |
| 05:01.42 | PerfDave | foreyez: IPX :) |
| 05:01.57 | foreyez | perfdave, like novell ? but does it use the internet? |
| 05:02.17 | tcsetattr | foreyez, every ethernet packet has a protocol identifier (ethertype? I think it's called ethertype) that tells what the next protocol up the stack is. Some are IP, some are PPPOE, some are ARP... |
| 05:02.23 | PerfDave | foreyez: IPX can be routed over big networks, but it's nasty. Don't know about over the Internet at large though, I doubt you'd get it routed properly. |
| 05:02.25 | foreyez | (sorry for all these questions btw... but you guys sure know yer stuff) |
| 05:02.45 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: anything that uses IP does yes. I could be talking out my ass though :D |
| 05:02.55 | Tchiak | be a real man and use UDP |
| 05:03.01 | PerfDave | foreyez: Go acquire a copy of "TCP/IP Illustrated vol. 1", it's *the* reference work (well, along with volumes 2 and 3) on this stuff, and pretty easy to follow with lots of exampls. |
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| 05:03.23 | PerfDave | foreyez: You'll learn more than you care to about old SunOS and SysV UNIX and BSD UNIX IP stacks too, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. |
| 05:03.47 | PerfDave | foreyez: The best thing is when you type in commands from this book which was written stupidly long ago, and get the same output format on a modern Linux or Win2K box |
| 05:03.50 | trave11er | Tchiak: real men write their own tcp emulation on top of udp :-) |
| 05:03.52 | tcsetattr | just like an IP datagram can contain TCP, UDP, ICMP, or other exotic things... an ethernet packet can contain IP, ARP, IPv6, PPPoE, or other exotic things |
| 05:03.54 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: not a bad thing ata ll |
| 05:04.06 | Tchiak | that book changed my life.. it finally convinced me that suicide *IS* the only real solution |
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| 05:04.52 | PerfDave | It's a decade old, and still a perfect reference :) |
| 05:04.59 | Tchiak | well i have to go to bed now |
| 05:04.59 | Tchiak | night |
| 05:05.12 | PerfDave | Can you imagine what use a 10 year old Linux reference would be? ;) |
| 05:05.31 | foreyez | tcsetattr, why do ethernet packets contain ip packets? isn't just one packet enough? ;) |
| 05:05.53 | tcsetattr | it would be more useful than this new plague of books that are built around the KDE or Gnome version of the month |
| 05:06.05 | tcsetattr | don't say IP packet, say IP datagram. It makes you look cool. |
| 05:06.15 | foreyez | heh |
| 05:06.26 | foreyez | okay ip datagram then |
| 05:06.43 | rich_ | The k&r really makes a great compliment to the manual pages. Between the two, you can figure out how to do anything |
| 05:07.07 | PerfDave | I've been framed! |
| 05:07.15 | Tch|zzz | there is a limit tot he size of a tcp packet >_> |
| 05:07.20 | PerfDave | Fucking hell, it's gone 6am :/ |
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| 05:07.37 | tcsetattr | the maximum IP datagram size is 64KB (IPv6 is probably bigger) |
| 05:07.48 | Tch|zzz | so to send anything bigger than the maximum size of the tcp packet it would need to send multiple datagrams to compile a single file |
| 05:07.50 | Tch|zzz | >_> |
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| 05:08.06 | binarydigit | how come the deb packages of mozilla firefox dont have the official icons? |
| 05:08.14 | Tch|zzz | it's so you don't hog a single link :| |
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| 05:08.17 | trave11er | foreyez: it is a hierarchical system. you have simplest protocols at the bottom. then, according to your needs you can build protocols of arbitrary complexity on this foundation |
| 05:08.25 | PerfDave | binarydigit: because the official icons are not licensed in a manner which allows Debian to use them. |
| 05:08.27 | binarydigit | sorry to break the networking chat =P |
| 05:08.31 | Tch|zzz | like my forever protocol >_> |
| 05:08.37 | binarydigit | PerfDave: ah |
| 05:08.39 | Tch|zzz | most useless datagram on earth |
| 05:08.44 | hsn | Hi, I install a new sarge , (I was using SID in English) , now there is a problem with locales (i want to set it Turkish UTF-8), i did dpkg-reconfigure locales , but after apt-get or after a program start always give error msgs about locale .. examle : perl: warning: Setting locale failed. --> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: --> LANGUAGE = "tr_TR:tr:en_GB:en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "tr_TR" |
| 05:08.44 | binarydigit | that sucks |
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| 05:09.00 | tcsetattr | in normal usage, it's best to keep your IP datagram size below your physical network's packet size (which for ethernet is 1500 bytes) |
| 05:09.07 | foreyez | traveller, yah.... but why ethernet "datagram" ? i still don't get it... |
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| 05:09.21 | foreyez | why not just ip ones.... |
| 05:09.28 | Tch|zzz | i created a datagram that had a maximum frame size of 500bytes >_> |
| 05:09.28 | trave11er | ethernet, for example, is the simplest (and dumbest), on top of that you get IP packet, which already can be routed, tcp adds the control and mechanism to greatly improve the reliability |
| 05:09.42 | PerfDave | binarydigit: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/02/msg01877.html |
| 05:09.43 | guestish | anyone know how to use ir-kbd-i2c? |
| 05:09.45 | trave11er | the system is exteremely flexible |
| 05:09.46 | Tch|zzz | and i installed it over the network at school and watched as everything screeched to a halt |
| 05:09.49 | hansgnu | I need of names of shops that sell notebooks in USA, anybody knows? |
| 05:10.04 | Tch|zzz | o_o |
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| 05:10.10 | foreyez | tch, you build that with libnet by any chance? :P |
| 05:10.19 | Tch|zzz | no |
| 05:10.24 | tcsetattr | RFC791 is the IP specification. It says "datagram". That's good enough reason for me |
| 05:10.27 | foreyez | w/ what? |
| 05:10.32 | Tch|zzz | with the help of some friends we created it |
| 05:10.39 | Guerin | ok, the usb port registers other devices (mouse, camera) fine, but this gdmf printer just gives no output in dmesg when it gets plugged in. I have usblp module loaded, anre there any other modules which are needed for usb printing? |
| 05:10.45 | Guerin | other than subcore, host, etc. |
| 05:11.00 | Tch|zzz | we just wanted to see what would happen if we took incomming TCP datagrams and broke them up at the server and resend through our datagrams maximum frame size of 500 bytes |
| 05:11.08 | Tch|zzz | network congestion was the result we determined |
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| 05:11.33 | Tch|zzz | as people commited suicide over the fact they couldnt' save their reports, cause our school decided to have all computers save to a central file system rather than on the harddrive |
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| 05:11.50 | kuru | how do I change the timezone settings? |
| 05:11.55 | foreyez | :O |
| 05:11.55 | PerfDave | Right, kids, I'm off to snooze for a while. Tomorrow I will work out why this damn CD drive is so slow (it's not DMA) |
| 05:12.05 | MerlinCorey | night, PerfDave... |
| 05:12.09 | MerlinCorey | or morning... |
| 05:12.10 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 05:12.13 | tcsetattr | kuru, tzconfig |
| 05:12.19 | foreyez | perfdave, thanks |
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| 05:12.35 | Tch|zzz | can you imagine trying to save a 100kb file to a central file server with only 500bytes being transferred per packet? |
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| 05:12.38 | Tch|zzz | :P |
| 05:12.43 | Tch|zzz | it was chaos |
| 05:12.53 | EsiX | does anyone here know how to compile kde themes? |
| 05:13.03 | vipersniper | i type mkinitrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8 and get these errors cpio: /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory cpio: /lib/modules/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory |
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| 05:13.17 | vipersniper | wahts wrong |
| 05:13.25 | Tch|zzz | hmmm.. viper sounds like you don't have modprobe configured |
| 05:13.32 | Tch|zzz | >_> |
| 05:13.44 | Tch|zzz | or it's just being plain ol si9lly |
| 05:13.46 | Tch|zzz | night |
| 05:13.50 | PerfDave | MerlinCorey: I have had a fantastic idea BTW - you still having your custom kernel trouble and dmesg overwriting woes? Boot the custom kernel, let it hang, then boot off an alternative medium (floppy or CD or sommat) and mount the hard drive and check /var/log/dmesg |
| 05:13.51 | vipersniper | how |
| 05:13.56 | foreyez | tnx evry1 |
| 05:14.13 | MerlinCorey | PerfDave: oooh, idea :) |
| 05:14.21 | vipersniper | what do i have to change in modprobe |
| 05:14.22 | MerlinCorey | fankies |
| 05:14.30 | Randy | there is some kindof bug way high up in the corner of the room.. how do I kill it ? |
| 05:14.43 | PerfDave | Randy: Flamethrower |
| 05:14.59 | binarydigit | railgun |
| 05:14.59 | Tch|zzz | sawed off 22? |
| 05:15.00 | Randy | Perf: I cant damage the wall like that |
| 05:15.07 | TerminX | I literally do use a blowtorch though |
| 05:15.12 | pipeline | newspaper |
| 05:15.20 | TerminX | kills them in such little time there's no wall damage because it's like 0.1 seconds |
| 05:15.22 | Tch|zzz | fly swatter |
| 05:15.40 | Randy | Terminx: you have metal walls? |
| 05:15.44 | TerminX | no |
| 05:15.48 | vipersniper | Tch|zzz, what do i have to config in modprobe |
| 05:15.48 | Randy | I dont have a fly swatter |
| 05:15.59 | TerminX | Randy: it kills them from a few inches away anyways |
| 05:16.02 | TerminX | and it's so brief |
| 05:16.05 | TerminX | I've never damaged any walls |
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| 05:16.29 | Randy | I dont have a blow torch |
| 05:16.33 | PerfDave | Randy: Can of deodorant and a lighter, only takes a quick burst, shouldn't damage your wall at all unless it's made of petrol vapour ;) |
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| 05:16.58 | Randy | dude that WILL make the wall black |
| 05:17.11 | rich_ | TerminX If you first spray gasoline on them with a squirt bottle, They look like little fireworks |
| 05:17.30 | rich_ | well, ok, big fireworks |
| 05:17.43 | vipersniper | what do i have to configure n modprobe.conf to get mkinitrd to work |
| 05:17.57 | TerminX | rol |
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| 05:19.35 | binarydigit | how come when i su into root ls loses color output? |
| 05:20.05 | Guerin | binarydigit: it doesn't lose it, it never had ti itfp |
| 05:20.21 | binarydigit | how do i get it for root? |
| 05:20.21 | peterS | binarydigit: probably because root doesn't use an alias for "ls --color=auto" or set an environment variable LS_COLORS |
| 05:20.32 | binarydigit | ah ok |
| 05:20.37 | Guerin | binarydigit: set it the same as you would for a user |
| 05:21.43 | Guerin | hrm, now my mother's digital camera doesn't work in the usb port... yet the mouse still does |
| 05:22.18 | guestish | anyone know what the new dh_make is? |
| 05:22.28 | PerfDave | I kind of like having no colours in ls as root, it lends a certain old-school gravitas to working as the superuser |
| 05:22.39 | tcsetattr | color ls is a "too retarded for root" feature |
| 05:22.43 | Guerin | PerfDave: yeah, it keeps you ssensible |
| 05:22.57 | binarydigit | root doesnt have a bash profile eh? |
| 05:23.04 | PerfDave | binarydigit: .bashrc |
| 05:23.10 | binarydigit | ah |
| 05:23.15 | peterS | guestish: your question doesn't make sense to me. "what the new dh_make is" - how do you mean? |
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| 05:24.04 | PerfDave | I heard that paisley is the new dh_make |
| 05:24.09 | peterS | PerfDave: haha |
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| 05:26.31 | guestish | peterS: isnt there a new tool out that lays the framework for debianizing packages? |
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| 05:26.47 | peterS | guestish: dh_make isn't terribly new. are you referring to dh_make or something else? |
| 05:27.16 | guestish | peterS: dh_make isnt new, i was wondering if a tool has replaced it yetr |
| 05:27.21 | guestish | yet* |
| 05:27.23 | peterS | guestish: not that I've heard |
| 05:27.27 | guestish | k |
| 05:27.30 | guestish | all i wanted to know |
| 05:27.44 | vipersniper | has anyone had this problem before |
| 05:28.20 | mwilson | vipersniper: What, other than nothing, does modprobe.conf have to do with mkinitrd? |
| 05:29.08 | mwilson | vipersniper: Better question... why do you think you need an initrd? |
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| 05:30.05 | vipersniper | i check grub and the other kernel images are there |
| 05:30.29 | vipersniper | but why does it give me that error |
| 05:30.47 | mwilson | vipersniper: You're not answering my question. Why do you think you need an initrd? |
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| 05:31.02 | vipersniper | cpio: /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory |
| 05:31.02 | vipersniper | cpio: /lib/modules/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory |
| 05:31.26 | sussudio | vipersniper: you're not using debian. |
| 05:31.28 | vipersniper | cause i never tried with out it |
| 05:31.28 | compubomb | does debian have a tool to add a startup script to every directory in rc*.d |
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| 05:31.45 | vipersniper | sussudio, im using debian |
| 05:31.50 | mwilson | compubomb: You don't put scripts there, you put symlinks there. |
| 05:31.54 | sussudio | vipersniper on #debian #fedora #apache |
| 05:32.00 | compubomb | mwilson: well yea.. |
| 05:32.02 | compubomb | i know.. |
| 05:32.05 | Caveman- | guys , got a interesting question. Someone is trying to tell that compileing something straight into the kernel is the same as making a module. ie. they are the same speed etc.. Is this true ? I always thought compiled into the kernel was faster. |
| 05:32.09 | mwilson | compubomb: Oh? |
| 05:32.16 | compubomb | i mean.. how would you dynamically place a symlink in every directory.. |
| 05:32.19 | mwilson | Caveman-: Why would it be? |
| 05:32.33 | Xiph3r | question? does anyone run aim on there debian? |
| 05:32.40 | vipersniper | sussudio, im using debian right now |
| 05:32.41 | Caveman- | just something I was sure I read somewhere. |
| 05:32.43 | mwilson | Caveman-: Other than the one-time miniscule overhead of loading the module. |
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| 05:32.59 | Caveman- | mwilson: hmm, interesting.. thanks. |
| 05:33.25 | rich_ | Xiph3r Survey says No, but SOme people run gaim |
| 05:33.25 | vipersniper | mwilson, so how do i configure it without initrd.img |
| 05:33.26 | Guerin | compubomb: sysvconfig |
| 05:33.35 | Xiph3r | whats gaim? |
| 05:34.10 | Guerin | !gaim |
| 05:34.10 | dpkg | gaim is, like, an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. an excellent irc client Gaim an I.M. |
| 05:34.14 | mwilson | vipersniper: There is no reason for you to be building a kernel requiring an initrd. |
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| 05:34.42 | Xiph3r | thnx |
| 05:34.48 | EsiX | !sarge |
| 05:34.48 | dpkg | i heard sarge is has been said that sarge is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
| 05:34.50 | Guerin | !gaim =~ s/an excellent/a shit/ |
| 05:34.50 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 05:34.54 | vipersniper | mwilson, ok, how do i compensate for that |
| 05:35.10 | mwilson | Compensate for what? |
| 05:35.19 | EsiX | is there a way i can get debian-sarge installed without any cd's or floppy's? |
| 05:35.24 | vipersniper | not using initrd.image |
| 05:35.39 | Guerin | EsiX: yes. You can use debootstrap. |
| 05:35.55 | EsiX | Could u help me with that? |
| 05:36.01 | mwilson | !u |
| 05:36.02 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 05:36.11 | mwilson | !wud |
| 05:36.11 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 05:36.18 | mwilson | Heh... that's a new one. |
| 05:36.23 | EsiX | !debootstrap |
| 05:36.24 | dpkg | i guess debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso>. Useful for installing in a chroot. |
| 05:36.30 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 05:36.30 | dpkg | hmm... chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
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| 05:38.56 | Guerin | EsiX: don't message me, please. |
| 05:38.56 | compubomb | Guerin: thank you so much ! :) |
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| 05:39.08 | Guerin | you've got your answer, go follow the howto :P |
| 05:39.25 | Guerin | compubomb: you're welcome. |
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| 05:39.57 | compubomb | :) |
| 05:39.57 | Guerin | vipersniper: why do you need it? What error are you getting which makes you think you need an initrd? |
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| 05:40.44 | EsiX | guerin whereis my answer? |
| 05:40.58 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 05:40.58 | dpkg | hmm... chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 05:41.04 | Guerin | EsiX: ^^ |
| 05:41.08 | EsiX | jta |
| 05:41.13 | EsiX | what do i do with that? |
| 05:41.19 | Guerin | EsiX: you read it |
| 05:41.34 | Guerin | it helps if you paste it into a web broowser first |
| 05:41.34 | EsiX | ty |
| 05:41.37 | Dispatch | PerfDave if i enable -framedrop will i still have sound? |
| 05:42.35 | Guerin | Dispatch: yes, you'll just have degraded video quality |
| 05:43.00 | Guerin | Dispatch: what's your problem? trying to play a small video scaled to a big screen? |
| 05:43.16 | Dispatch | a really old processer |
| 05:43.26 | Dispatch | 200mhz p1 |
| 05:43.31 | Guerin | yikes |
| 05:43.43 | Dispatch | well i enabled frame drop, and now have no sound |
| 05:43.45 | Dispatch | very strange |
| 05:43.53 | Guerin | hrm, you should still have sound. |
| 05:43.56 | tcsetattr | I use mplayer at 300MHz, it's a challenge to find a set of options that work |
| 05:44.12 | tcsetattr | and MPEG4 files play _much_ better than WMVs |
| 05:44.14 | Guerin | to improve performance, try playing on a vesa console with -vo vesa |
| 05:44.18 | Guerin | yeah, much better |
| 05:44.35 | tcsetattr | and if you ahve an ISA sound card like me, use -af resample=11025:0:0 |
| 05:44.37 | Dispatch | so i type -vo vesa filename? |
| 05:44.48 | Guerin | tcsetattr: ah, that's a good idea |
| 05:44.57 | tcsetattr | Dispatch, you really should try reading the documentation. |
| 05:45.00 | EsiX | how do i get debootstrap? |
| 05:45.00 | Guerin | Dispatch: no, mplayer -vo vesa filename |
| 05:45.06 | Guerin | from a linux console, not within X |
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| 05:45.33 | Guerin | EsiX: you follow that howto |
| 05:45.36 | tcsetattr | Guerin, it's a suggestion from the docus that made a huge difference for me. I guess 44100 16bit stereo over ISA is a bit of a drag on the CPU |
| 05:45.46 | Guerin | yeah, no doubt |
| 05:46.12 | Guerin | I've just upgraded to a shiny new p3, so I should have few problems now :) |
| 05:46.20 | rich_ | I had a lot of trouble with mplayer until I found the driver that best supports my hardware. If you have hardware that does the work, and a driver that uses the hardware it doesnt have to take a lot of cput. |
| 05:46.24 | rich_ | cpu |
| 05:48.18 | Dispatch | so weird, no sound after i did frame drop, even after setting it back to normal |
| 05:48.26 | Dispatch | knowing me, i hit mute or something |
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| 05:49.24 | foxcokk | can someone tell me how to allow apt to get me non-us software? i'm trying to get vpnd, but its non-us |
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| 05:53.09 | sussudio | foxcokk: add deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ sarge/non-US main contrib non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:53.15 | OhMyAchinLap | foxcokk, you need to change your apt sources |
| 05:53.20 | OhMyAchinLap | yes, do that ^^ |
| 05:53.24 | sussudio | foxcokk: : it's most likely in the faq..... |
| 05:53.41 | johnga1t | what does the error "you have devfs enabled but not mounted" mean? how can i correct it? |
| 05:54.02 | sussudio | johnga1t: why do you care? |
| 05:54.08 | sussudio | !devfs |
| 05:54.08 | dpkg | methinks devfs is a virtual fs, like /proc, but for /dev, so that you only have the files in /dev that you need . Located at http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/kernel-patches.html, Ask me about 'devfsd', 'devfs howto', or apt-get install devfsd, or http://www.atnf.csiro.au/~rgooch/linux/docs/devfs.html, or it isn't impossible to get working, but sometimes a big PITA, or http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=105851630726585&w=2, or a bad idea! |
| 05:54.12 | Xiph3r | thnx for who ever told me about gaim |
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| 05:55.05 | james | sup homeboy- |
| 05:55.15 | james | what is it? |
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| 05:55.33 | vipersniper | how do i get to console login |
| 05:55.42 | sussudio | vipersniper: from where |
| 05:55.45 | james | anyway- at my school you log into computers on a domain |
| 05:55.56 | vipersniper | crtl+alt+backspace not working] |
| 05:55.57 | james | i want to get the domain administrator password? |
| 05:56.23 | sussudio | hm wanker |
| 05:56.34 | vipersniper | sussudio, from the gnome desktop manager |
| 05:56.34 | marmot | vipersniper, that should respawn gdm or kdm if its running, try ctrl-alt-F1 to F6 |
| 05:56.45 | johnga1t | how do you disable devfs? |
| 05:56.48 | johnga1t | is that a bad idea? |
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| 05:57.31 | mwilson | johnga1t: Reverse whatever you did to enable it... it's certainly not there by default. |
| 05:58.22 | johnga1t | mwilson: hmph. it says that i have in installed but not mounted ... trying to use partimage |
| 05:58.51 | mwilson | johnga1t: Like I said... undo whatever you did to install it, 'cause it wasn't done for you. |
| 05:59.13 | johnga1t | mwilson: i have no idea what that'd be ... will try to mess around with it |
| 05:59.18 | peterrooney | vipersniper: you might need to use -left- alt key specificly |
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| 06:00.41 | bullet | Hey, could anyone tell me.. how do I tell debian to stop loading agpgart and nvidia_agp when i'm loading the proprietary drivers? |
| 06:00.50 | vipersniper | is there a package with the nvidia drivers |
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| 06:01.04 | nigger | hi |
| 06:01.06 | mwilson | bullet: You don't. You have to have one or the other. |
| 06:01.08 | bullet | when they are loaded concurrently it is causing my vterminals to not show up at all |
| 06:01.11 | Guerin | !nvidia howto |
| 06:01.11 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 06:01.19 | mwilson | They're not loaded concurrently. |
| 06:01.33 | Guerin | nigger: you were warned about your nick and kick/banned yesterday - feel like round two? |
| 06:01.41 | Gnea | wattup nigger |
| 06:01.44 | bullet | mwilson: unfortunately, i didn't compile my own kernel, and debian (or maybe the kernel automounter) is deciding it wants to use those modules.. so is the only way around to delete the modules in /lib/modules? |
| 06:01.44 | sussudio | helix? |
| 06:01.46 | nigger | umm im another person |
| 06:01.50 | bullet | i'd rather not hack it up like that |
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| 06:01.57 | sussudio | ktnx |
| 06:01.59 | Gnea | heh |
| 06:02.01 | Gnea | nice |
| 06:02.04 | bullet | umm |
| 06:02.06 | bullet | well check this out |
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| 06:02.09 | Guerin | swift and sure |
| 06:02.14 | bullet | output from lsmod |
| 06:02.15 | Guerin | that's what we like |
| 06:02.32 | bullet | nvidia_agp 7836 1 |
| 06:02.32 | bullet | agpgart 34536 2 nvidia_agp |
| 06:02.32 | bullet | nvidia 4821204 12 |
| 06:02.37 | Guerin | no |
| 06:02.38 | helix | and I get a /msg, right on schedule |
| 06:02.41 | bullet | well lsmod | grep nv |
| 06:02.42 | Guerin | don't paste |
| 06:02.43 | mwilson | bullet: I have no idea what an automounter might have to do with this... no doubt you think you do. Nvidia provides documentation to control what GART driver will be attempted. |
| 06:02.43 | helix | "what about it? i am black" |
| 06:02.45 | helix | foad. |
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