| 00:00.05 | fjc | elbo, okay ill google those... i already recompiled the kernel and grub and everything for reiser4 support and forgot about that small detail :P |
| 00:00.23 | elbo | fjc: look there : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/231648 |
| 00:00.24 | VolVE | abrotman: I'm now reading man pages for MAKEDEV :) |
| 00:00.54 | t-jack | simonrvn, Which devices do I chmod? |
| 00:00.57 | elbo | fjc: Well I'm trying to make a custom boot-cd and custom installer in order to install a debian with reiser4 enabled |
| 00:01.07 | mrwill | RyanW: would be best to find kernel with driver in it, only try to build a driver from elsewhere if there is no other way. |
| 00:01.07 | abrotman | VolVE: you're barking at the wrong person |
| 00:01.09 | guestish | heh...i sent a pgp signature in an email and they said to resend it cause they wouldnt open messages with attachments...=\ |
| 00:01.38 | simonrvn | t-jack: they should be ok already, just check them to be sure. should be mixer*, dsp*, and the stuff in /dev/snd |
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| 00:02.02 | fjc | elbo, that is pretty nice... i dont need reiser4 or anything but i didnt have anything big to change anymore, and i figured upgrading would be a good way to learn |
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| 00:02.40 | elbo | fjc: I don t need reiser4 too, but I like the new pluginnable way it s built |
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| 00:03.28 | abrotman | !reiser4 |
| 00:03.30 | kenboo | peterS, finally lapack worked. thanks |
| 00:03.31 | abrotman | !reiser |
| 00:03.31 | dpkg | it has been said that reiser is filed in my brain under "reiserfs". http://boudicca.tux.org/hypermail/linux-kernel/2001week19/0069.html |
| 00:03.36 | fjc | elbo: wow they have a howto and everything... i was just following the instructions from the namesys website |
| 00:03.38 | abrotman | nope |
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| 00:04.25 | abrotman | elbo: did you read the part in the install guide about custom kernel? |
| 00:04.38 | peterS | kenboo: heh, cool |
| 00:04.42 | kenboo | peterS, lapack3 & atlas3 package doesn't work with blas package. the maintainer should add dependency constraints |
| 00:04.47 | elbo | abrotman: not yet |
| 00:04.55 | peterS | kenboo: all I did was tell you about the 'lapack3-dev' package - you figured the rest out yourself, one way or another |
| 00:05.16 | elbo | abrotman: I ve read how to build a custom rescue CD |
| 00:05.21 | Karhuton | Is there a file where I can read partition sizes, free space etc. |
| 00:05.22 | fjc | elbo: i think im gonna give it up for now cause i dont have the space in my hard drive to move everything :( |
| 00:05.24 | elbo | abrotman: but it lacks from the installer |
| 00:05.34 | Karhuton | I found /proc/diskstats but don't know how to read it. |
| 00:05.41 | elbo | fjc: that s the point... or use a temp harddrive |
| 00:05.44 | peterS | Karhuton: there is /proc/partitions |
| 00:05.45 | kenboo | peterS, i decided go for lapack-* instead of lapack3, so was atlas2. then finally everything worked |
| 00:05.54 | peterS | Karhuton: but also, just run "df" and it reports on the filesystems you have mounted |
| 00:06.11 | tzafrir | after 'apt-get install gdm-themes; /etc/init.g/gdm restart' anything else I should make to make gdm thmeses avilable from gdm greeter? |
| 00:06.15 | simonrvn | peterS: HELLO |
| 00:06.15 | peterS | kenboo: cool. I don't know much about linear algebra processing and stuff like that, so I don't think I could have helped you much further anyway |
| 00:06.38 | fjc | elbo: as opposed to their definition, laptops CAN be really inconvenient sometimes.. |
| 00:06.46 | peterS | simonrvn: hey! |
| 00:07.20 | elbo | fjc: not well suited for upgrades... |
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| 00:07.31 | simonrvn | peterS: goddamn how did you do that so quickly ? :P |
| 00:07.40 | fjc | elbo: ok, im gonna go back to my old grub and kernel :( |
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| 00:07.54 | elbo | fjc: you can still use nfs |
| 00:07.57 | tzafrir | fjc , but at least theiy're much smaller |
| 00:08.07 | fjc | elbo: are you planning to put your bootcd online when its done? |
| 00:08.14 | fjc | elbo: nfs? for what? |
| 00:08.19 | tzafrir | Consider using one as a server... |
| 00:08.25 | elbo | fjc: why not, if people would like to use it |
| 00:08.37 | Karhuton | peterS: What does /proc/partitions report? |
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| 00:08.49 | elbo | fjc: use nfs to backup your hard drive, then chroot to it and finally convert your hardrive to reiser4 |
| 00:08.53 | peterS | Karhuton: partition sizes |
| 00:08.55 | sam_ | is there a dpkg for configuring a new hard drive? |
| 00:09.06 | abrotman | yeah ... the kernel |
| 00:09.10 | peterS | Karhuton: in kilobytes |
| 00:09.18 | Karhuton | How about free space or used space? |
| 00:09.22 | peterS | Karhuton: it knows nothing about filesystem usage inside the partitions, though |
| 00:09.37 | tzafrir | there was a nice program that uses sparse files to convert a partitions on the fly from one type to another. I forgot its name |
| 00:09.58 | fjc | elbo: sorry, do u mean using a network? id have to read more into that and see what i can get from it |
| 00:10.10 | elbo | sam_: why don't you use cfdisk and mkfs.ext2 or whatever ? |
| 00:10.36 | Karhuton | peterS: From what file I could retreave this info? |
| 00:10.47 | elbo | fjc: yes use the network with nfs (network file system) or samba |
| 00:10.59 | abrotman | Dispatch: you mean to partition the new HDD? |
| 00:11.03 | peterS | Karhuton: it's only calculated for filesystems which are currently mounted. the 'df' command retrieves the info from the kernel, using system calls |
| 00:11.19 | RodrigoChandia | the program to confert using sparse files is convertfs |
| 00:11.23 | abrotman | Dispatch: aren't you GFV..... ? |
| 00:11.29 | Dispatch | abrotman yes |
| 00:11.39 | Dispatch | GTV? |
| 00:11.44 | fjc | elbo... its a valid option, i have another computer in my network with win98.. but im afraid thats gonna have to wait for a while... ive only used linux for 2 months |
| 00:11.46 | Dispatch | heh, yeah |
| 00:11.51 | tzafrir | peterS: all the information nuder /proc is direct kernel calls |
| 00:11.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:12.00 | abrotman | i was close |
| 00:12.05 | abrotman | Go Sox! |
| 00:12.14 | peterS | tzafrir: sort of. if you count 'open' and 'read' as kernel calls. I meant the kernel calls you couldn't get with just those calls |
| 00:12.30 | elbo | fjc: ok good luck |
| 00:12.34 | peterS | abrotman: sox > yankees? how's life going in MLB? I'm not even keeping track |
| 00:12.44 | tzafrir | I mean: the information presented there is information from the kernel. Not diretly from the disk |
| 00:12.44 | Dispatch | whats the command for that again? |
| 00:12.50 | elbo | fjc: I will let you know if my custom cd is out |
| 00:12.57 | fjc | elbo, thanks, whats your website address just in case you publish it? |
| 00:13.02 | abrotman | peterS: StL/Houston going to game 7 tomorrow .. Sox/Yanks start in about 10 minutes |
| 00:13.07 | Karhuton | So I can't get the information anywhere else but df? |
| 00:13.20 | elbo | fjc: got many don't know which one i will use |
| 00:13.26 | tzafrir | Karhuton, what information exactly? |
| 00:13.30 | peterS | abrotman: how many games have the RS / Yankees won, respectively? |
| 00:13.31 | abrotman | peterS: it's game 7 .. after the yanks led the series 3-0 .. it's now 3-3 |
| 00:13.33 | elbo | fjc: I will certainly create one for it |
| 00:13.38 | peterS | abrotman: oooh. very cool. |
| 00:13.45 | peterS | abrotman: and who's at home? |
| 00:13.45 | abrotman | peterS: time for some tv eh? :) |
| 00:13.51 | abrotman | in NYC tonight |
| 00:13.53 | Karhuton | tzafrir: Enough info that I know how much free space there is on a partition. |
| 00:13.53 | fjc | elbo, ok im sure ill find out... thanks a lot and good luck w ur project |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | and i think StL is at home tomorrow |
| 00:14.00 | elbo | elbo: there would be some howto on dvb too, (I hope, if I ve got enough time) |
| 00:14.02 | fjc | bye |
| 00:14.03 | tzafrir | Karhuton , the information under /proc is what the kernel knows. |
| 00:14.10 | abrotman | peterS: turn on FOX .. |
| 00:14.18 | peterS | abrotman: so both pennants go to 7 games this year. that's nice. |
| 00:14.31 | Karhuton | tzafrir: Yes.. Is there a file I can read that info from? /proc/diskstats ? How to read the output? |
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| 00:14.41 | abrotman | peterS: oh yeah .. they was an article at CNN about how it is affecting wall street trading because the games are going so late |
| 00:14.41 | tzafrir | I don't think that there's any more direct way to tell how much free space there is in a mounted partition |
| 00:14.52 | peterS | abrotman: hehe |
| 00:14.54 | Dispatch | mplayer /home/sam/Desktop/Sam/pain.mp3 |
| 00:14.58 | Karhuton | tzafrir: Partition size + used space is enough. |
| 00:15.15 | peterS | abrotman: my parents are avid world series people, but I haven't lived at home in a long time, and I rarely catch this stuff |
| 00:15.17 | abrotman | Dispatch: are you telling us what you're listening to? |
| 00:15.21 | Rene | hi! What does "perl: warning: Setting locale failed" mean in a fresh install of sarge? |
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| 00:15.27 | abrotman | peterS: yeah .. KS will do that to you :) |
| 00:15.36 | abrotman | peterS: sadly .. I'm stuck in an NL town |
| 00:15.50 | tzafrir | so either parse df's output or see where it takes the information from. strace is a fine tool |
| 00:15.51 | peterS | abrotman: heh. you talk like you've lived in KS..? |
| 00:16.04 | abrotman | peterS: i've been there .. Hayes is booooorrrring |
| 00:16.24 | Rene | here is the complete error: http://paste.phpfi.com/33928 |
| 00:16.27 | peterS | abrotman: oh yeah, it's way out in the middle of nowhere. Wichita is considerably larger, but probably still boring for people accustomed to cities > 350000 |
| 00:17.27 | tzafrir | Rene: try running: locale-gen |
| 00:17.27 | abrotman | peterS: Philly is kind of big :) |
| 00:17.27 | peterS | abrotman: oh, I know. we have no cities here to compete with anything east coast-ish |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | peterS: where are your parents? |
| 00:17.28 | peterS | abrotman: not closer than Dallas/Ft Worth anyway |
| 00:17.28 | peterS | abrotman: parents are in Topeka, which is not all that far from KC |
| 00:17.31 | tzafrir | Rene: what's there output of: locale| grep -v '"' ? |
| 00:17.32 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 00:17.47 | abrotman | how can you be a baseball fan in KS .. i don't get it . i thought you had to be into nascar and football |
| 00:17.47 | peterS | abrotman: however, they lived in Boston for 3 years before I was born, so they're all about the Red Sox right now |
| 00:17.50 | abrotman | and rodeos :) |
| 00:18.02 | abrotman | peterS: oh .. that would do it |
| 00:18.31 | peterS | abrotman: hey, I remember 1985. KC Royals won it all. of course, they've done nothing since then, but still |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:18.40 | tzafrir | so, anybody here uses gdm and has themes working? |
| 00:18.43 | abrotman | they keep selling thier talent |
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| 00:19.07 | Rene | tzafrir: Thanks! That did the trick |
| 00:19.09 | peterS | abrotman: indeed. I don't really follow either the royals or the chiefs, though. not much of a sports fan in general |
| 00:19.33 | peterS | abrotman: and before you ask, no, I don't follow nascar either |
| 00:19.41 | ferret | msg night all |
| 00:19.51 | ferret | msg night all |
| 00:19.55 | abrotman | peterS: heh |
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| 00:21.04 | Rene | tzafrir: noup.. i was wrong. did not help.. I get this when running locale-get: |
| 00:21.04 | Rene | Generating locales... |
| 00:21.04 | Rene | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.07 | abrotman | peterS: rodeos? |
| 00:21.15 | peterS | abrotman: heh. no. (: |
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| 00:21.29 | Dispatch | abrotman i think i need to format it first, can cfdisk do that? |
| 00:21.39 | abrotman | Dispatch: man mkfs |
| 00:21.47 | Dispatch | thx |
| 00:22.02 | tzafrir | Rene: I remember I had such I problem. Did you manually set the language name to "en" somewhere in the installation? |
| 00:22.21 | Rene | tzafrir: no, i dont think so |
| 00:22.40 | tzafrir | workaround: replace "en" with "en_US" or whatever your country is |
| 00:22.54 | tzafrir | edit /etc/locale.gen |
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| 00:23.44 | tzafrir | Rene, and probably also in the environment. See the output of : locale |grep -v '"' |
| 00:23.54 | paxetil | i have the error "/dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.". What should i do to correct this ? |
| 00:24.04 | paxetil | when doing "grub-install /dev/hda" |
| 00:24.18 | tzafrir | do you have IDE on that system? |
| 00:24.37 | Rene | tzafrir: this is the output: http://paste.phpfi.com/33929 |
| 00:24.57 | Rene | tzafrir: yes, i have an IDE |
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| 00:25.57 | [Jan] | !php5 |
| 00:25.57 | dpkg | i guess php5 is at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system |
| 00:26.00 | tzafrir | The "IDE" line was for paxetil |
| 00:26.11 | paxetil | tzafrir, yes i have |
| 00:26.20 | tzafrir | Rene: try 'export LANG=en_US' |
| 00:26.38 | paxetil | i've installed grub before and didn't report this error |
| 00:26.43 | tzafrir | (or a country other than US) |
| 00:26.45 | paxetil | it's the first time |
| 00:27.02 | tzafrir | But still, something is bad in the local aliasing definitions.. |
| 00:27.02 | Rene | tzafrir: when i installed sarge, i got a screen where i chould pick my locale. I picked "en ISO-8859-1" |
| 00:27.47 | tomb0y | mrwill: you have an example of how to use stunnel and ftp together, on stunnel.org it lists like stunnel -c -f -d port -r remote_ip:port but on stunnel 4.05 it doesnt even have a -c -d -r option.. |
| 00:27.56 | paxetil | tzafrir .. |
| 00:28.13 | mrwill | tomb0y: sorry, don't have examples. |
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| 00:28.22 | Rene | tzafrir: i had "en ISO-8859-1" in /etc/locale.gen. I changed that to en_US ISO-8859-1, and now it seems to generate my locale.. |
| 00:28.54 | tzafrir | paxetil: maybe the device file itself is bad? or you now have devfs or udev? |
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| 00:29.02 | tomb0y | mrwill: ok time to browse the mailing lists |
| 00:30.24 | ryan` | I'm having problems getting the iptables source package from unstable to compile, can anyone help? |
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| 00:30.47 | ryan` | I'm getting an error in libipt_time.c |
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| 00:32.01 | qaz | How would I 'alias'the command "startx /usr/bin/icewm" to something simpler, like "ice"? |
| 00:32.23 | philips | qaz: man bash |
| 00:32.33 | philips | qaz: look for alias |
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| 00:33.10 | RodrigoChandia | see .bashrc |
| 00:33.13 | [Jan] | hmm, i have installed the debian php5 package, but there isn't a module in /etc/apache2/mods-available ? <- is that normal? :p |
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| 00:33.26 | abrotman | [Jan]: no you haven't |
| 00:33.32 | philips | [Jan]: Where did you get the package? |
| 00:33.33 | abrotman | there are no debian php5 packages |
| 00:33.38 | [Jan] | !php5 |
| 00:33.38 | dpkg | somebody said php5 was at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system |
| 00:33.39 | t-jack | AAAAAAAAUUUUUGH! |
| 00:33.42 | Rene | tzafrir: locale |grep -v '"' did the trick.. |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | exactly |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | not debian |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | [Jan]: those are unofficial .. do they not work? |
| 00:34.25 | [Jan] | hmm, seems like i'm the only one around where they dont work :p |
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| 00:34.44 | abrotman | [Jan]: there haven't been too many people using them that i'm aware .. #php said php5 is flaky |
| 00:34.45 | t-jack | kkkkkspfuhussakkkk |
| 00:34.51 | guestish | t-jack: uh huh |
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| 00:34.55 | abrotman | t-jack: are you broken |
| 00:34.55 | Rene | tzafrir: should I add that locale-export permanently to my environment, or is there any other ways in setting the locale? |
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| 00:35.15 | t-jack | abrotman, etttcf |
| 00:35.26 | dfcc | can anyone help please, im trying to use vim when i putty into my machine, but as soon as i hit enter the putty session seems to hang? |
| 00:35.54 | [Jan] | abrotman: hmm, ic, then i'll use php4, thanks |
| 00:36.03 | paxetil | i have the error "/dev/hda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.". What should i do to correct this ? |
| 00:36.03 | abrotman | [Jan]: good plan :) |
| 00:36.05 | t-jack | abrotman, I'm about to throw out this computer and never touch another one. |
| 00:36.05 | paxetil | when doing "grub-install /dev/hda" |
| 00:36.09 | fflush | dfcc: start vim with vim -X |
| 00:36.17 | guestish | t-jack: give it to me |
| 00:36.18 | abrotman | t-jack: is your kernel still broken? |
| 00:36.42 | t-jack | abrotman, Not the kernel. The sound system. |
| 00:36.53 | abrotman | oh i have an idea |
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| 00:37.01 | abrotman | buy a 10$ creative card |
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| 00:37.06 | guestish | yeah! |
| 00:37.13 | guestish | or a audgy |
| 00:37.15 | fflush | dfcc: did it help |
| 00:37.15 | abrotman | like a PCI128 or whatever they are |
| 00:37.16 | fflush | ? |
| 00:37.36 | dfcc | fflush: still the same thing? |
| 00:37.39 | dfcc | *-? |
| 00:37.40 | guestish | t-jack: or reinstall linux |
| 00:37.43 | t-jack | guestish, AudigyLS |
| 00:37.49 | guestish | t-jack: fine |
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| 00:37.57 | guestish | t-jack: then use oss drivers |
| 00:38.06 | directhex_ | pci128 is an ensoniq soundscape |
| 00:38.32 | clusty | i want to install fame but it complains that it cannot find "libfam-config". How can I tell which package has this file? |
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| 00:39.01 | peterS | clusty: on irc, you can do: /msg dpkg find libfam-config |
| 00:39.06 | guestish | o-O |
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| 00:39.54 | PabloEscobar | how could I trick bash into putting a "grc" before any command given in a terminal? |
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| 00:40.08 | clusty | peterS, it says it ain't there |
| 00:40.43 | peterS | clusty: that's a problem, then. it means debian doesn't have any such file anywhere in the archive. |
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| 00:41.07 | [Jan] | abrotman: ok, php4 is on, but still no module in that dir, do i have to use a 'manual' LoadModule php4_... /path/to/module/somewhere ? |
| 00:41.23 | peterS | clusty: there is a libfam-dev package. if the right stuff is anywhere, it'll be there. |
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| 00:41.33 | clusty | peterS, it is fame not fam |
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| 00:41.56 | dondelelcaro | clusty: is it asking for libfam or libfame? |
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| 00:42.20 | clusty | dondelelcaro, 'libfame-config' |
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| 00:42.35 | abrotman | [Jan]: what module .. what dir? |
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| 00:42.38 | abrotman | and what package? |
| 00:42.43 | tcsetattr | is it possible for apt-file to work through apt-proxy? |
| 00:42.49 | abrotman | did oyu load libapapche2-mod-php or whatever it is? |
| 00:42.55 | clusty | dondelelcaro, after googleing about libfame i found some source, which complains about the same file |
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| 00:43.14 | clusty | dondelelcaro, at the ./compile stage |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | ./compile ? |
| 00:43.33 | tcsetattr | apt-file update wants to download Contents-i386.gz which apt-proxy doesn't want to provide... |
| 00:43.47 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: heh |
| 00:43.51 | peterS | tcsetattr: oh, lovely |
| 00:43.54 | [Jan] | abrotman: php4 puts a config file in /etc/apache while apache2 is in /etc/apache2 ? :p |
| 00:44.00 | abrotman | btw .. what moron put evolution under Office in the gnome menu |
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| 00:44.16 | abrotman | [Jan]: a config file .. never seen it .. what config file? |
| 00:44.21 | jharrison | hehe |
| 00:44.22 | Rene | I have one more qustion: What is the best way in moving files from one hdd to an other? I would like to skip files that are getting I/O errors. Now if I usee "mv ./* /mnt/new/..." i just see errors in the syslog. The files are moved, but if there was an error, it did not skip that file.. |
| 00:44.24 | peterS | abrotman: Outlook is part of MS Office. guess they were just trying to conform |
| 00:44.37 | dondelelcaro | clusty: libfame-config is part of fame. Sounds like it wants it's library installed before it will build itself. |
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| 00:45.23 | [Jan] | :p |
| 00:45.23 | abrotman | peterS: dumb move :) |
| 00:45.28 | clusty | dondelelcaro, and how do I bootstrap the problem libfame wants fame which wants libfame if I got it right |
| 00:45.50 | dondelelcaro | clusty: libfame should compile without fame, but the readme included in the package should explain the compile steps. |
| 00:46.20 | clusty | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot |
| 00:46.52 | peterS | dondelelcaro: that reminds me of the README file for autoconf, at least way back when, haven't checked recently. GNU M4 comes with a configure script so apparently some people had some concern about circular dependencies (: |
| 00:47.05 | Zyberdog | can see in my XF86Config-4 that somehow I ended up with 2 mouse inputdevices .. one as /dev/psaux and another /dev/input/mice .. how can I find out which one is actually the one that is used? |
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| 00:47.20 | dondelelcaro | peterS: heh. Yeah, it happens alot. FE, gcc is like that. |
| 00:47.33 | peterS | Zyberdog: check your ServerLayout section. probably both are listed as used. you can comment out whichever line in the ServerLayout section you don't want active |
| 00:47.39 | heitor | hello all. Anyone knows a good HOWTO about installing a new kernel using apt-get? |
| 00:48.09 | dondelelcaro | heitor: uh, apt-get install kernel-image-what-you-want; read output, act accordingly. |
| 00:48.12 | Rene | What is the best way in moving files from one hdd to an other? I would like to skip files that are getting I/O errors. Now if I use "mv ./* /mnt/new/..." i just see the I/O errors in the syslog. The files are moved, but if there was an error, it did not skip that file.. Now i might get corrupted files because of this. |
| 00:48.31 | dondelelcaro | Rene: if mv suceeds, it overcame the I/O errors. |
| 00:48.47 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah, gcc is compiled in 3 stages - once with the system compiler, once with itself, then again with itself - the last one just so it can compare itself with the previous one and verify that they're exactly the same generated code |
| 00:48.48 | dondelelcaro | (or at least thinks it did) |
| 00:48.54 | Zyberdog | peterS, yea.. they're both there.. can I unplug / re-plug the mouse in my ps/2 port and read in a log somewhere where it is mounted = |
| 00:48.55 | Rene | dondelelcaro: are you sure? |
| 00:48.59 | dondelelcaro | Rene: yes. |
| 00:49.06 | peterS | Zyberdog: kernel 2.2, 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:49.19 | Rene | dondelelcaro: Thanks! :) |
| 00:49.19 | Zyberdog | 2.4 |
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| 00:50.08 | peterS | Zyberdog: what you want is /dev/psaux, then. and mouse ports aren't really designed to be hot-plug, except some that come on laptops, so that's a bad idea |
| 00:50.50 | Zyberdog | peterS, thanks .. will try and comment out the one in /dev/input/mice, restart X .. and see how that goes :) |
| 00:50.56 | thoreauputic | heitor: apt-cache search kernel-image | less ; apt-get install <your choice of kernel> |
| 00:51.00 | tcsetattr | if they didn't want me hot-plugging it they shouldn't have put it on the outside of the case |
| 00:51.08 | peterS | Zyberdog: really it shouldn't matter. /dev/input/mice may fail but the server won't care if it does |
| 00:51.31 | peterS | tcsetattr: that's a good point, and yet ... PS/2 and SCSI ports weren't designed for that |
| 00:51.43 | Zyberdog | the problem is: with xorg (on another distro) scrolling worked fine.. but can't get it to work in debian+xfree86 |
| 00:52.00 | heitor | How can I choose mirrors to apt-get ? |
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| 00:52.10 | peterS | Zyberdog: as for scrolling, what type of mouse do you have? in particular, is it at least 5 years old, or newer? |
| 00:52.17 | peterS | heitor: apt-setup |
| 00:52.26 | thoreauputic | heitor: run apt-setup |
| 00:52.29 | tcsetattr | on one machine I have a serial mouse, so I laugh at all the PS/2 bullshit... on another machine I have a PS/2 mouse that doesn't fit well in the port, the connector falls out all the time. When I plug it back in I have to restart gpm. |
| 00:52.53 | Zyberdog | peterS, its a completely standard 3-button mouse.. one of those you get free when you buy a new computer these days.. (the computer it came with was bought 3 months ago) |
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| 00:53.22 | peterS | Zyberdog: with scroll wheel, I guess. anyway, in the InputDevice section of XF86Config-4, you need 3 things: |
| 00:53.28 | jdnewmil | tcsetattr : one of these days you will have to replace your mobo instead of restarting gpm |
| 00:53.38 | peterS | Zyberdog: Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" Option ZAxisMapping "4 5" |
| 00:54.13 | Zyberdog | Explorer ? ok.. |
| 00:54.13 | peterS | Zyberdog: you already have the first, dunno about the second or third line there |
| 00:54.13 | tcsetattr | jdnewmil, it's already survived 2 lightning hits and has some other quirks as a result, so that'd be no big loss :) |
| 00:54.18 | peterS | Zyberdog: actually "ExplorerPS/2" is not really any better or worse than "ImPS/2", in your case. they should both work |
| 00:54.24 | heitor | thanks |
| 00:54.30 | Zyberdog | peterS, I've always use the protocol "PS/2" |
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| 00:54.38 | abrotman | why do my bosses have to be so dumb |
| 00:54.39 | jdnewmil | tcsetattr : lol ... takes a thumping and keeps on jumping :) |
| 00:54.41 | wasabi_ | Does linux have any mechanism to allocate a portion of CPU to allowing root to login and fix stuff. For instance, say you run a job out of control, and it causes the server to use so much CPU that you can't get in to cancel the job. Is there a way to prevent that? |
| 00:54.43 | peterS | Zyberdog: "PS/2" does not report your scroll wheel. "ImPS/2" and "ExplorerPS/2" both do. |
| 00:54.49 | Zyberdog | thanks |
| 00:54.52 | abrotman | wasabi_: ulimit |
| 00:54.53 | Zyberdog | there's my problem |
| 00:55.07 | wasabi_ | abrotman, ahh that's what that's for |
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| 00:55.23 | peterS | Zyberdog: and don't forget the ZAxisMapping line I mentioned, if you don't already have it. |
| 00:55.43 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: it's the law |
| 00:55.51 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you're alive |
| 00:55.55 | Zyberdog | peterS, already have "4 5" there.. what about "Emulate3Buttons" ? |
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| 00:56.05 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yeah been that way for sometime |
| 00:56.07 | peterS | Zyberdog: you don't need Emulate3Buttons |
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| 00:56.46 | Zyberdog | is there a command to restart X ? |
| 00:56.59 | abrotman | kawfee was here the other day |
| 00:57.07 | peterS | Zyberdog: log out of your current X session, then if it doesn't restart the actual server, hit ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 00:57.10 | clusty | dondelelcaro, i found it. I was trying the wrong package |
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| 00:58.15 | clusty | dondelelcaro, and now just another small question - is there a way how I can change the mapping of the keys to my laptop st power=off and sleep=suspend to ram |
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| 00:58.39 | Zyberdog | peterS, "jubii", thanks :) - scrolling finally works now |
| 00:58.44 | peterS | Zyberdog: heh, cool |
| 00:58.56 | Zyberdog | next issue :P |
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| 00:59.14 | heitor | there is something like apt-get list (to show installed packages) |
| 00:59.26 | stew | heitor: dpkg -l |
| 00:59.28 | dogmeat | another parition has an image that i want to boot, but the grub is not displaying it, how can i boot from another image in a separate partition that isnt listed by grub at boot? |
| 00:59.29 | heitor | there is something like apt-get list (to show installed packages), the ones I can use apt-get remove... |
| 00:59.31 | peterS | heitor: dpkg -l |
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| 00:59.42 | heitor | thanks stew and peterS |
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| 01:00.32 | jdnewmil | stew or peterS: is there something like "dpg -l" that doesn't give truncated names of packages? |
| 01:00.38 | Zyberdog | When I installed debian+xfree86 2 weeks ago it automaticly detected my video card.. named it correctly etc.. yesterday I reinstalled debian+xfree86 and now I just have a "Generic Card" :| |
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| 01:00.43 | heitor | To remove KDE i shall simple use apt-get remove kde ?? |
| 01:00.49 | peterS | jdnewmil: you can kludge it with the COLUMNS environment variabe. something like COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l |
| 01:00.49 | abrotman | you wish |
| 01:00.58 | stew | jdnewmil: COLUMNS=250 dpkg -l |
| 01:01.09 | stew | jdnewmil: or dpkg --get-selections |
| 01:01.14 | peterS | stew: we seem to be on a roll here |
| 01:01.18 | stew | peterS: :) |
| 01:01.53 | heitor | after doing apt-get install kernel-image2.6.8-686 What should I do to update grub ?! Anyone knows? |
| 01:02.07 | cafuego | Regex wizz: Can I get a regex to use in sed/perl to remove a \n IF there is an alphanumeric character on the next line? |
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| 01:02.08 | peterS | heitor: it should handle that automatically |
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| 01:02.22 | stew | peterS: i was just about to say that |
| 01:02.29 | cafuego | 's/$\n^([A-z])/$1/g' doesn't seem to cut it |
| 01:02.35 | peterS | stew: heh |
| 01:02.46 | peterS | cafuego: you need .../gs, I think |
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| 01:02.50 | tcsetattr | cafuego, don't put the ^ in there |
| 01:02.57 | jdnewmil | thx stew and peterS : dpkg --get-selections seems cleanest |
| 01:02.59 | peterS | cafuego: also ... yeah, what tcsetattr said |
| 01:03.17 | tcsetattr | you already have a \n you don't need a ^ (which is only good at the beginning of the regexp) |
| 01:03.28 | cafuego | peterS/tcsetattr: no joy |
| 01:03.33 | cafuego | Remove the $ too? |
| 01:03.34 | tcsetattr | and take out the $ too |
| 01:03.39 | peterS | yeah |
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| 01:03.57 | tcsetattr | you are expanding the magic variable $\ there |
| 01:04.19 | cafuego | in perl, yes... not in sed |
| 01:04.25 | tcsetattr | and since you're dealing with multiple lines, you need to use perl -0777 to have it slurp the whole file at once. |
| 01:04.30 | eggy | zlib-dev is still broken :o |
| 01:04.33 | tcsetattr | well, since you used $1 on the RHS you can't be usnig sed. |
| 01:04.34 | peterS | cafuego: you can also use s/\n(?=[A-Za-z])//sg, I think. the (?=) means "this must come next but don't include it in the pattern matched" |
| 01:04.47 | stew | jdnewmil: realize that --get-selections also returns packages you installed then later removed |
| 01:04.58 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: or just unset $/; |
| 01:05.09 | cafuego | peterS: Cool |
| 01:05.17 | tcsetattr | perl -p0777e 's/\n(?=[A-Z])//g' |
| 01:05.17 | peterS | cafuego: errr, for perl. not for sed. |
| 01:05.37 | cafuego | peterS: However, it doesn't work. (outputs nothing) |
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| 01:05.42 | jdnewmil | stew : so does "dpkg -l" ... grep -v to fix |
| 01:05.52 | peterS | cafuego: oh well, I could be wrong about how to use the (?=) feature |
| 01:06.00 | cafuego | Yeah, here we go. |
| 01:06.08 | RyanW | mrwill: are you still around? |
| 01:06.14 | cafuego | No, I had -0777 -e and not -p077e |
| 01:06.19 | tcsetattr | and A-z probably doesn't mean what you thing it does. |
| 01:06.37 | cafuego | tcsetattr: I have A-Za-z now |
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| 01:06.40 | tcsetattr | A is ASCII 65 ; z is ASCII 122. Between them is a lot of stuff besides just letters. |
| 01:06.42 | romulo | how to configure a microsoft intellimouse usb on debian? |
| 01:06.48 | dondelelcaro | perl -pe 'BEGIN{undef $/;} s/\n(?=[A-Za-z])//g;'; works also. |
| 01:06.50 | romulo | ive follow one how to but the binds are wrong =P |
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| 01:07.06 | Trev_Thorpe | g |
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| 01:07.19 | cafuego | Ha, shit. |
| 01:07.24 | heitor | How can apt-get remove KDE completely? |
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| 01:07.35 | romulo | heitor, apt-get remove kde? |
| 01:07.36 | cafuego | One bug: It strips empty lines |
| 01:07.39 | abrotman | apt-get --purge remove libqt |
| 01:07.45 | cafuego | and starts joined lines with a space. |
| 01:07.47 | abrotman | heitor: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:07.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:07.57 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde how to remove kde |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | i bet they'll love that |
| 01:08.03 | heitor | heheheh! |
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| 01:08.12 | heitor | They'll probably ban me |
| 01:08.31 | tcsetattr | I don't see how that could happen |
| 01:08.51 | heitor | its not possible to remove KDE so... |
| 01:08.54 | cafuego | Nevertheless |
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| 01:09.08 | tcsetattr | s/\n(?=[A-Za-z])//g can't insert any spaces that aren't already there |
| 01:09.10 | cafuego | I'll paste in #flood |
| 01:09.26 | heitor | Is it possible to use apt-get XPde ? |
| 01:09.30 | abrotman | !info xpde |
| 01:09.45 | abrotman | guess not |
| 01:09.52 | stew | heitor: apt-get remove --purge kde-base should do it |
| 01:10.22 | heitor | thanks stew |
| 01:10.59 | thoreauputic | heitor: you're running debian and you want xpde? Odd... |
| 01:11.00 | RainbowW | i don't understand why i'm getting this when trying to mirror i386/sid with anonftpsync: building file list ... rsync: link_stat "/home/rnbwpnt/#" failed: No such file or directory (2) |
| 01:11.00 | RainbowW | . can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | RainbowW: why would you want to do that? |
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| 01:11.36 | abrotman | !dance |
| 01:11.36 | udo | bye |
| 01:11.37 | abrotman | go sox |
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| 01:12.03 | RainbowW | abrotman: because i'm running a 35-seat classroom and next week i'll be doing a total of 175 debian installs. a mirror would be the polite thing. |
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| 01:12.19 | stew | RainbowW: what about apt-cacher or apt-proxy |
| 01:12.23 | abrotman | RainbowW: apt-proxy |
| 01:12.43 | stew | !apt-proxy |
| 01:12.43 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. Watch out for the upcoming 1.3.0 version which supports http backends too |
| 01:12.54 | tewrewwer | RainbowW rsync =) |
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| 01:13.14 | Thon | Eww.. nasty nic I had there =) |
| 01:13.15 | EruditeHermit | hi, does anyone know how to configure a wireless card with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | get the device name |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | set it up |
| 01:13.52 | RainbowW | tewrewwer: duh. i'm using (and asking for help with) the rsync script at debian.org/mirrors/ftpmirror. |
| 01:13.55 | stew | EruditeHermit: put stuff like wireless_essid blah \n wireless_channel 6... |
| 01:14.02 | romulo | hi does anybody knows how to setup a microsoft intellimouse usb with all buttons+wheel? |
| 01:14.03 | stew | EruditeHermit: (man 5 interfaces) |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | apt-proxy |
| 01:14.16 | abrotman | instead of mirroring all of it .. you only cache what you need |
| 01:14.23 | EruditeHermit | stew: yeah, but i want ot to dhcp |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | RainbowW: also .. /msg dpkg fai .. |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | RainbowW: you may really like it |
| 01:14.37 | EruditeHermit | stew: I tried it, but someone said I need to do something with iwconfig |
| 01:14.38 | stew | EruditeHermit: doens't matter |
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| 01:14.48 | abrotman | !fai |
| 01:14.48 | dpkg | well, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 01:14.54 | stew | EruditeHermit: anything that you would do with iwconfig can be done with interfaces |
| 01:15.05 | EruditeHermit | stew: right now I have iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 01:15.23 | RainbowW | abrotman: fai isn't appropriate. installation is a student exercise. |
| 01:15.40 | EruditeHermit | stew: along with the generic stuff |
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| 01:15.58 | abrotman | RainbowW: oh .. yeah .. check out apt-proxy .. i'm not sure about mirroring |
| 01:16.01 | peterS | romulo: actually yes. /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 01:16.13 | stew | EruditeHermit: yeah, any arguments you would give to iwconfig just put in interfaces with a wireless_ prefix |
| 01:16.16 | peterS | abrotman: apt-proxy doesn't work well / at all for new installs |
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| 01:16.37 | abrotman | why not? |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | you can't specify the proxy eh? |
| 01:17.04 | abrotman | RainbowW: peterS says i'm an idiot and you need to mirror it :) |
| 01:17.07 | peterS | abrotman: apt-proxy doesn't quite emulate a real web server well enough to fool debootstrap, which is what the isntaller uses |
| 01:17.14 | peterS | RainbowW: if you have an apache server already set up (or are willing to set one up), there is apt-cacher in unstable. it's sort of a specialised web cache intended for apt |
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| 01:17.28 | peterS | RainbowW: unlike apt-proxy, apt-cacher seems to work fine with the debian installer |
| 01:17.42 | Random832 | anyone know what could cause the system to freeze when using mplayer with artsd? |
| 01:17.54 | peterS | abrotman: hey, I didn't say you were an idiot (: I would have assumed apt-proxy would work fine as well, until I actually tried it |
| 01:17.58 | Random832 | i can't even ssh in |
| 01:18.05 | EruditeHermit | stew: so wireless_iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 01:18.09 | RainbowW | peterS: the data store will be on a solaris box (i didn't pick it) so i need to stick with rsync. thus, i need help diagnosing rsync. |
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| 01:18.34 | peterS | RainbowW: apt-cacher is just a CGI script written in Perl, so it *shouldn't* be hard to deploy on solaris |
| 01:18.54 | peterS | RainbowW: as for a full mirror, I don't know what to recommend - I haven't attempted this |
| 01:19.00 | stew | EruditeHermit: no, leave that line alone, then on the next 3 lines put wireless_essid foo \n wireless_channel 6 \n wireless_key bar (or whatever) if you would normally run iwconfig eth1 channel 6 essid foo.... |
| 01:19.25 | Random832 | anyone? |
| 01:19.34 | k-man_ | i'm just applying pat 2.6.7 to 2.6.6 kernel source and there is some files it says Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] whats the correct answer to that question? |
| 01:19.38 | Random832 | oh, i forgot - people in here are jerks about phrasing questions |
| 01:19.38 | Random832 | ok |
| 01:19.39 | abrotman | peterS: thanks :) |
| 01:19.44 | k-man_ | and why do i get that problem? |
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| 01:19.56 | Random832 | "why does running mplayer using artsd as sound output cause a total system freeze?" |
| 01:19.58 | peterS | k-man_: it means your 2.6.6 kernel already has some patches that were part of 2.6.7 |
| 01:19.59 | RainbowW | peterS: for a full mirror the recommended method is anonftpsync, available at www.debian.org/mirrors/anonftpsync. it's based on rsync. |
| 01:20.04 | EruditeHermit | stew: but wouldn't that limit me to a specified network? |
| 01:20.16 | dogmeat | i have a second hd, but not sure which /dev it is mapped to. is there a way to find out which /dev it is mapped to in order to mount it? |
| 01:20.17 | EruditeHermit | stew: what if I wanted to make it work for any wireless network around |
| 01:20.23 | peterS | k-man_: normally you want to just leave those alone (the default answer) |
| 01:20.26 | k-man_ | peters, oh.. maybe i downloaded the debian kernel source or something (it was ages ago, i don't remember) |
| 01:20.34 | peterS | k-man_: yeah, likely |
| 01:20.40 | Guerin | Random832: it might just be that nobody knows much about arts, since I can only think of about three regulars in here who use kde |
| 01:20.40 | k-man_ | peters, ok, thanks |
| 01:20.48 | ApEtc | dogmeat: It depends on which controller and whatnot it is attached to. Is the drive IDE? |
| 01:20.58 | thoreauputic | Random832: it's always possible no-one actually knows the answer :) |
| 01:21.02 | dogmeat | ApEtc: yes it is ide |
| 01:21.08 | Random832 | i use arts with gnome since esd doesn't work with my sound card |
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| 01:21.37 | Erinsays | Ok, got a usb key, now I just need to mount it as not read only |
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| 01:22.02 | ApEtc | dogmeat: pri. master will be hda, slave will be hdb, sec. master is hdc and slave is hdd. Extended controllers (Promise, Highpoint, so on) will follow a similar pattern with the next few letters. |
| 01:22.11 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 01:23.13 | mon | hey, i'm trying to install sarge on a compaq with hardware raid5. grub (or lilo) can't get installed on the MBR. any thoughts? |
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| 01:24.46 | peterS | mon: the hardware raid array calls itself a SCSI disk, I guess? |
| 01:25.05 | mon | peterS: err, it's /dev/ida/c0d0 |
| 01:25.08 | t-jack | simonrvn, And of course even OSS would prove dysfunctional. |
| 01:25.10 | Thonatos | sda |
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| 01:25.22 | simonrvn | t-jack: meh :/ |
| 01:25.41 | stew | EruditeHermit: then put wireless_essid any |
| 01:26.46 | stew | mon: have you treid asking in #debian-boot? |
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| 01:26.56 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 01:26.56 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 01:26.58 | mon | peterS: thing is, it's worked before with sarge. i had raid5 then |
| 01:27.07 | mon | stew: i'll try. thanks |
| 01:27.27 | tcsetattr | mon, what error message are you getting from lilo? |
| 01:27.30 | EruditeHermit | stew: thx |
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| 01:27.51 | EruditeHermit | stew: channel any? |
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| 01:28.56 | mon | tcsetattr: a big red screen is all i remember :) wait i'll check |
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| 01:29.47 | t-jack | simonrvn, Of course, it might be advisable to plu in the damn driver. What's the OSS module for AudigyLS? |
| 01:29.59 | simonrvn | i don't know |
| 01:30.23 | t-jack | What good are you? :P :) |
| 01:30.33 | Zyberdog | what's that cvs command to checkout/upgrade/install something directly from a cvs.. cvs -d pserver:....:/cvsroot/project/module .. how is it` |
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| 01:31.09 | tcsetattr | normally you cvs login, then you cvs get, then you cvs update periodically |
| 01:31.51 | Zyberdog | sounds tricky |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | t-jack: google says? |
| 01:32.14 | Zyberdog | tried it once.. but didn't have to login or nothing.. one command, it downloaded changed files and upgraded |
| 01:32.23 | dippo | anyone here ever noticed vfolders not updating util you quit in evolution? |
| 01:32.28 | tcsetattr | well, you're too vague to be worth talking to |
| 01:32.36 | Guerin | dippo: I hate those fucking vfolders |
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| 01:32.45 | Zyberdog | hehe.. thanks |
| 01:32.47 | dippo | heh |
| 01:32.55 | dippo | well it seems like a cool idea if it'd work |
| 01:33.00 | dippo | but it only works the first time i create them |
| 01:33.01 | Guerin | yeah, innit |
| 01:33.03 | dippo | and then nothing changes |
| 01:33.11 | Guerin | I like context in my mail |
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| 01:33.35 | Guerin | I like going to a particular account and reading that account's mail, not having it all lumped in together |
| 01:33.41 | mon | tcsetattr: appearantly setting a partition active or not makes all the difference :) |
| 01:33.45 | dippo | well you can isolate it |
| 01:34.07 | EruditeHermit | stew: that didn't work |
| 01:34.23 | EruditeHermit | stew: when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart, it still doesn't see eth1, only eth0 |
| 01:34.24 | Guerin | dippo: or I can just go to the account and read my mail |
| 01:35.01 | Guerin | speaking of wwhich |
| 01:35.24 | Guerin | maybe I'll try to get sylpheed-gtk2 working with my self-signed tls certs again |
| 01:35.34 | tcsetattr | yeah, the bootable partition flag can be important |
| 01:36.39 | mon | tcsetattr: not bootable, active. i haven't set any partition bootable (hmm maybe i should) |
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| 01:37.13 | tcsetattr | those are 2 names for the same flag, as fara s I know |
| 01:37.28 | dippo | hm |
| 01:37.33 | dippo | i wish evolution could cram tasks into an imap folder |
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| 01:38.26 | tcsetattr | fdisk and cfdisk both say "bootable". I don't know where "active" comes from... DOS fdisk maybe? |
| 01:38.49 | mathieu | dippo, i thought the same thing |
| 01:38.56 | Random832 | well, the fdisk command is "a" |
| 01:39.01 | Random832 | to make bootable |
| 01:39.11 | peterS | tcsetattr: /sbin/activate, from lilo (: |
| 01:39.14 | dippo | i wonder if thunderbird can do that |
| 01:39.18 | dippo | or if it even has tasks |
| 01:39.29 | tcsetattr | ok then. |
| 01:39.50 | peterS | but yeah, MS-DOS called it the "active" partition as well |
| 01:40.10 | Random832 | the partition table standard in use comes from msdos anyway |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | eww dos |
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| 01:40.37 | Nilbus | hello :) |
| 01:40.48 | mon | tcsetattr: yeah "active" is an MS word i think |
| 01:41.22 | mon | tcsetattr: anyway, i've set the bootable flag now and i'm about to find out if that's the problem |
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| 01:43.19 | KrispET | i may just sit here and idle, but am an ardent linux user - and i |
| 01:43.26 | KrispET | oops |
| 01:43.28 | peterS | abrotman: how goes the AL pennant? |
| 01:43.54 | emes | its 6 to 1 |
| 01:43.59 | emes | boston |
| 01:44.02 | peterS | cool |
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| 01:44.27 | peterS | I suppose at some point I should learn about espn.com or something so I can actually check this stuff for myself |
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| 01:45.25 | abrotman | !punish ales |
| 01:45.36 | abrotman | peterS: mostly good |
| 01:45.39 | outlier | How well does Debian (and apt!) work on a 64 bit machine? |
| 01:45.52 | abrotman | peterS: 6-1 Sox winning |
| 01:46.03 | outlier | - do things generally work, or am I asking for a world of pain? |
| 01:46.04 | peterS | outlier: by that do you mean amd64 or just any 64-bit CPU? |
| 01:46.07 | BucWheat | that would suck if the sox let the yankees come back |
| 01:46.16 | peterS | outlier: debian has worked for many years on alpha, and for a few years on sparc64 |
| 01:46.21 | outlier | peterS: amd64 |
| 01:46.43 | abrotman | outlier: #debian-amd64 |
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| 01:47.08 | peterS | outlier: you can run it in 32-bit mode or in 64-bit mode. in 64-bit mode you have to get your stuff from a non-debian archive, for now, but they report that it's basically ready for prime time |
| 01:47.32 | outlier | abotman: Thanks - using lame client just now & cant search channels. |
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| 01:48.18 | outlier | peterS: Ah - that makes sense. So if I want a 'it just works' kind of build under Debian, I should probably stick to 32 bit for now. |
| 01:48.36 | doleyb | outlier: I'm on an AMD64, and couldn't get the debian64 to work. |
| 01:48.47 | peterS | outlier: well, I really have no idea. I don't have such hardware. I'd go straight to the pure64 port being maintained outside of debian, if I were you |
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| 01:49.24 | abrotman | outlier: ask #debian-amd64 .. they will know more about pure64 |
| 01:49.39 | doleyb | outlier: It seems that the ubuntu distro has a more-polished amd64 setup (still debian-based, of course) |
| 01:49.39 | abrotman | and multi-arch .. if that's even functional or still in progress |
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| 01:50.09 | lok3 | how do i change timezone? |
| 01:52.00 | outlier | Ok, I'm off to the #debian-amd64. Thanks to everybody for the tips - sounds like this newbie should avoid it for a while yet. |
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| 01:52.37 | tomb0y | looking for some stunnel help... im trying to stunnel ftp to connect to a ftp server. i see 0 packets dropped by a firewall, stunnel reports "SSL state (accept): before/accept initialization" as last thing, it states connected to when i ftp to the localhost binded port. and on the server side it shows a connection being created, but it just times out, never see a prompt for username or anything. |
| 01:54.23 | AngelGabriel | Is anyone having problems with mail not getting thru to hotmail servers? |
| 01:54.58 | nvz | AngelGabriel: I dont know, could you be any less specific, while being more offtopic? |
| 01:55.19 | AngelGabriel | It seems that when my users use our mail server, email doesn't turn up in hotmail email boxes |
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| 01:55.55 | AngelGabriel | for example, one of our users, uses our DEBIAN machine to send email from outlook - his return address is user@yahoo.com his mail doesn't get to hotmail |
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| 01:57.56 | Guerin | AngelGabriel: what do your MTA's outgoing logs say? |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: i can't imagine why :) |
| 01:58.38 | paolo | Hi guys! How do I kill a program that ps shows in the state: "D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)". I tryed to "kill -9" it, but without success. Any idea? |
| 01:58.41 | AngelGabriel | Okay, i'm going to test send something now ... so I can check the logs |
| 01:58.42 | Guerin | AngelGabriel: basically, once a message passes out of your smtp server, it's the responsibility of the recieving mta to handle. |
| 01:59.13 | jetscreamer | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Coffee-1.html |
| 01:59.41 | Guerin | AngelGabriel: /var/log/mail* |
| 01:59.52 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 01:59.52 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 01:59.53 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: or to reject and tell you why |
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| 02:01.01 | Guerin | paolo: if it is IO unavailability causing this process to sleep, you need to make that resource available. An example of this is an nfs share going offline while in use. |
| 02:01.26 | Guerin | paolo: normally if you make the resource available, the process will pick up again, or you can kill it. |
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| 02:02.20 | BlackJudas | \o/ OMG 2.6.9 is out... omg... I'm so happy. |
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| 02:02.42 | s003apr | is the output for apt stored in a log? |
| 02:02.44 | Guerin | BlackJudas: if you're so happy, just grab it from kernel.org |
| 02:02.49 | Guerin | s003apr: no. |
| 02:02.57 | Phated | BlackJudas: Why so particularly excited abou 2.6.9? |
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| 02:03.22 | BlackJudas | Phated: Because 2.6.8 dislikes my mobos. |
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| 02:03.28 | jetscreamer | !2.6.9+nv |
| 02:03.28 | dpkg | 2.6.9+nv is probably http://ngc891.blogdns.net/index.php?2004/09/21/3-patched-nvidia-drivers , temporarily. |
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| 02:03.44 | BlackJudas | Guerin: Naw, I like to make-kpkg, easier to manage my kernels. |
| 02:03.57 | AngelGabriel | Guerin, It gives me status sent ... but when i check for the message @ hotmail .... it never arrives ... |
| 02:04.05 | jetscreamer | you can use make-kpkg on kernel source from kernel.org |
| 02:04.09 | Drizzt321|ssh | anyone get lirc-modules-source to work with a 2.6.8-1-k7 kernel package? |
| 02:04.09 | Phated | BlackJudas: Well maybe 2.6.9 won't like them either, you never know. :) |
| 02:04.15 | jetscreamer | i did with this 2.6.9 i'm running |
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| 02:04.40 | Guerin | BlackJudas: I build all my kernels with make-kpkg from kernel.org source. It's actually easier than using a debian kernel source, because you needn't worry about tricky versioning requirements. |
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| 02:05.08 | Guerin | AngelGabriel: take it up with hotmail.com (hahaha) |
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| 02:05.37 | jetscreamer | linx owns windows, linux makes coffee baybee |
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| 02:05.44 | AngelGabriel | Guerin, on darnit... i just realised what may be happening - some people have thier hotmail accounts set so that they only see mail from people in thier address book. |
| 02:05.47 | jetscreamer | oops linux |
| 02:06.08 | BlackJudas | Guerin: Oh yeah? I always thought the debian pkg had some patches/scripts that make-kpkg required. |
| 02:06.12 | jetscreamer | i need a nice ssh howto... url anybody? |
| 02:06.13 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: you did check the spam box right? |
| 02:06.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: openssh.org ? |
| 02:06.29 | jetscreamer | k thx |
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| 02:06.38 | BlackJudas | Phated: it's quite possible, but I saw some ACPI fixes that may fix my retarded problems. |
| 02:06.51 | Phated | BlackJudas: Oh, cool. :) Much goodness. |
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| 02:08.23 | Phated | A WHAT?S |
| 02:08.25 | simonrvn | eeew wet ear |
| 02:08.30 | Phated | Oh that. |
| 02:08.39 | abrotman | sicko |
| 02:08.49 | simonrvn | abrotman: you poopie-doopie |
| 02:08.59 | Phated | Hehehehehe. |
| 02:09.03 | AngelGabriel | abrotman, my other hotmail account is setup diffrently, the mail came right thru |
| 02:09.13 | Phated | WTF is this, high school all over again? |
| 02:09.17 | abrotman | AngelGabriel: spam blocker? |
| 02:09.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:09.25 | Phated | (and no one will kindly remind me that I am still in HS, so.) |
| 02:09.44 | simonrvn | nah, we've just regressed 20 years :P |
| 02:09.49 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:09.59 | Phated | If I regressed 20 years I'd be... hm. |
| 02:10.04 | simonrvn | -5 |
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| 02:10.28 | Phated | -4 actually. |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | oh .. legal nowhuh |
| 02:10.39 | Phated | Eh? |
| 02:10.43 | simonrvn | oh yeh you had a b-day. HAPPY B-DAY |
| 02:10.57 | simonrvn | (late) |
| 02:11.19 | Phated | simonrvn: Thanks. :) |
| 02:11.26 | paolo | Guerin: for example, it happened on a floppy disk where in fstab the filesystem type was auto, and in mounting a windows samba share where an error occurred when mounting. |
| 02:11.26 | PabloEscobar | how could I trick bash into putting a "grc" before any command given in a terminal? |
| 02:11.36 | Phated | Haha. |
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| 02:11.59 | initech | grc!? gibson research.com?!? |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:12.07 | scarynetworkguy | evil pure evil |
| 02:12.08 | PabloEscobar | no dumbass |
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| 02:13.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: gonna give him cooties? |
| 02:13.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Peach lipstick, actually. |
| 02:13.26 | PabloEscobar | fucking fags |
| 02:13.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: nice |
| 02:13.36 | simonrvn | @tell PabloEscobar about gay |
| 02:13.38 | initech | some one should modify the "win" factoid with something like that |
| 02:13.41 | Guerin | PabloEscobar: pure class |
| 02:13.56 | PabloEscobar | ahahha |
| 02:13.57 | simonrvn | PabloEscobar: closet? |
| 02:13.58 | PabloEscobar | still fags |
| 02:14.03 | PabloEscobar | lmfao |
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| 02:14.07 | PabloEscobar | they have a script for it |
| 02:14.08 | PabloEscobar | ahahah |
| 02:14.09 | Phated | Hey hey. Drop it, moron. |
| 02:14.14 | Guerin | PabloEscobar: I sense a kick/ban approaching... |
| 02:14.17 | simonrvn | !ops |
| 02:14.17 | PabloEscobar | ahahha |
| 02:14.17 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:14.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:14.28 | Guerin | anyway, yeah |
| 02:14.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no black for him? |
| 02:14.29 | abrotman | !lose Phated |
| 02:14.30 | Guerin | grc |
| 02:14.30 | dpkg | Phated: You Lose. |
| 02:14.33 | PabloEscobar | ahahhaha |
| 02:14.35 | PabloEscobar | lames |
| 02:14.37 | *** mode/#debian [+q PabloEscobar!*@*] by Rez |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | Phated: your teddy? |
| 02:14.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heck no. |
| 02:14.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nice* |
| 02:14.49 | Guerin | "tricking windows users into thinking their computers are secure since 1996" |
| 02:14.50 | Phated | abrotman: No, yours. Gooba. :D |
| 02:14.52 | simonrvn | Rez: thank you |
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| 02:15.05 | abrotman | Phated: i actually still have my old stuffed animals somewhere |
| 02:15.12 | Phated | abrotman: Awwww. |
| 02:15.13 | abrotman | i think my mom boxed them up |
| 02:15.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@pool-141-158-125-54.pitt.east.verizon.net] by Rez |
| 02:15.20 | initech | abrotmans mom sends him to work in a teddy |
| 02:15.27 | Guerin | yeah, all mine are boxed up for whenever we have kids |
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| 02:15.37 | peterS | way way way too much information, initech |
| 02:15.50 | Guerin | who probably won't want them, because they're not new and shiny enough :( |
| 02:15.53 | Phated | abrotman: Awwww, brownie. |
| 02:16.06 | Phated | Guerin: Give it to them when they're babies, they'll be attached to them for life. |
| 02:16.09 | JimButton | peterS: don't tell them that you have to work naked... |
| 02:16.14 | Guerin | that's what I figure |
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| 02:16.23 | peterS | JimButton: I try to keep that information, uh, under wraps |
| 02:16.24 | abrotman | Phated: he was nice |
| 02:16.33 | JimButton | heh |
| 02:16.36 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i would have killed |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | at least i blew mine up |
| 02:16.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: i almost did |
| 02:16.53 | Guerin | well, I just took delivery of seven extraordinarily large pumpkins |
| 02:16.59 | Phated | abrotman: I'm sure. |
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| 02:17.12 | Phated | Guerin: Lovely. What will you do with them? |
| 02:17.21 | Guerin | Phated: what time of year is it? |
| 02:17.30 | Phated | Guerin: How should I know? Exam time? |
| 02:17.36 | JimButton | he will carve them and let them rot in front of his house, of course... |
| 02:17.43 | Phated | Oh, wait, Halloween, silly me. |
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| 02:17.51 | Guerin | Phated: it's pumpkin time. That means pumphin soup, pumpkin pie, and jack-o-lanterns for school |
| 02:17.55 | Phated | Guerin: Stick a tux face on them! :D |
| 02:18.01 | JimButton | i think rotting pumpkins smell really disgusting |
| 02:18.06 | peterS | Guerin: pumpkin soup? that doesn't sound good at all |
| 02:18.07 | scarynetworkguy | coolness |
| 02:18.09 | abrotman | pumpkins are disgusting |
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| 02:18.17 | scarynetworkguy | JimButton: spoilsport |
| 02:18.18 | Phated | I think rotting <food> spells disgusting, soo... |
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| 02:18.21 | Guerin | it's bizarre that we're getting roped into this, because neither NZers nor Koreans really celebrate halloween |
| 02:18.31 | Guerin | pumpkin soup is glorious |
| 02:18.31 | peterS | Guerin: so what's the story? |
| 02:18.34 | initech | pumpkin pie is pretty good, sweet potato pie is better though |
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| 02:18.39 | abrotman | Phated: ever smelled rotting liver? |
| 02:18.40 | excelblue | is debian-testing stable? |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | enough for me it is |
| 02:18.50 | peterS | excelblue: not by definition. it's pretty good in practice. |
| 02:19.00 | initech | excelblue: nope, of course not |
| 02:19.03 | Phated | abrotman: Yes... |
| 02:19.08 | Guerin | peterS: it's american, therefore it's worth learning at an english academy |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | Phated: not mine |
| 02:19.17 | peterS | Guerin: aha |
| 02:19.23 | Guerin | but OMFG, people who ddon't like pumpkin soup? |
| 02:19.32 | Guerin | that's just wrong |
| 02:19.37 | peterS | Guerin: haven't tried it, it just doesn't sound all that great |
| 02:19.39 | JimButton | Guerin: i've seen pumpkins on sale in sweden |
| 02:19.46 | initech | Guerin: i can see that being pretty good |
| 02:19.54 | outlier | excelblue: I have problems maybe 2-3 times a year with Sarge, but no show-stoppers so far. |
| 02:20.00 | Guerin | and people who've never even TRIED pumpkin soup |
| 02:20.05 | Guerin | ye gods |
| 02:20.05 | paolo | Guerin: what about if the IO resource cannot be made available? Is there a way to kill that process that wastes resources? |
| 02:20.10 | JimButton | Guerin: halloween comes everywhere, and it is only jamie lee curtis' fault |
| 02:20.16 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: there are all kinds of pure stupid people around |
| 02:20.17 | Drizzt321|ssh | anyone have lirc installed from the debian packages? I'm having trouble getting mine to work |
| 02:20.27 | Guerin | paolo: well, they don't really waste a lot of resources, they just sit there doing nothing |
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| 02:20.32 | abrotman | Guerin: ever had gefilte fish? |
| 02:20.33 | initech | Guerin: i've had sweet potato - andoullie sausage soup and it is very good, probably similar |
| 02:20.39 | Guerin | abrotman: nope |
| 02:20.40 | excelblue | so, testing is stable enough for regular desktop usage? |
| 02:20.45 | JimButton | abrotman: gefilte fish has a nice name, but that's it :) |
| 02:20.48 | simonrvn | excelblue: yes |
| 02:20.49 | excelblue | basically, it compares to the stability of the average linux distro? |
| 02:20.57 | Phated | YEs. |
| 02:21.00 | simonrvn | excelblue: better |
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| 02:21.16 | outlier | excelblue: Mostly my troubles were when I deliberately upgraded apps - never had it actually crash when it wasn't my own doing. |
| 02:21.19 | Phated | What's an average Linux distro anyway? |
| 02:21.20 | Guerin | well, it's just pumpkin and chicken stock and garlic and black pepper and brown spices, and some people cheat by putting cream in |
| 02:21.22 | initech | excelblue: sort of, but it changes often and sometimes drastically |
| 02:21.27 | simonrvn | Phated: crap |
| 02:21.29 | Guerin | it's really really really good |
| 02:21.32 | Phated | simonrvn: Heh. |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | Phated: mdk is average i suppose |
| 02:21.38 | Phated | Guerin: Send us some, we'll decide. |
| 02:21.40 | paolo | Guerin: but why the gnome "system load" applet shows a fixed load when a process is in that state? And if the processes are more than one the system load rapidly grows till almost 100% |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | Guerin: ok .. now that sounds gross |
| 02:21.45 | abrotman | Guerin: have thomas_adam make it |
| 02:21.46 | Guerin | red hat is the very definition of average |
| 02:21.49 | Phated | abrotman: BLAH. In that case, yes, what simonrvn said. |
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| 02:22.12 | Phated | Guerin: Average quality, average usage experience? :) |
| 02:22.17 | Guerin | paolo: that's weird, D processses, by definition, are doing nothing. |
| 02:22.33 | Guerin | Phated: yup. Bog standard middle of the road. |
| 02:22.38 | Phated | Guerin: Tsk. |
| 02:22.39 | paolo | Guerin: ok, thank you! |
| 02:23.00 | Guerin | I thought americans were huge into their pumpkin stuff? |
| 02:23.09 | Phated | Anyone have ideas for the theme "Fun in the Chemistry Lab"? |
| 02:23.11 | Guerin | I mean, the whole thanksgiving bit... |
| 02:23.19 | simonrvn | initech: mmm borscht :) |
| 02:23.20 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: naw most people only make crappy pies and Jack O lanterns |
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| 02:23.39 | Guerin | Phated: set up your books like a dm screen between the gas taps and the teacher, turn on gas taps, light, melth things in the flame |
| 02:23.52 | Phated | Guerin: Hm, me likey... |
| 02:23.58 | Guerin | yeah, gumbo IS the king of soups |
| 02:24.02 | Phated | Guerin: No books though, it's a practical exam. |
| 02:24.10 | dondelelcaro | paolo: processes in D state cause a load of 1, because they're 1 process waiting for the system to do something. |
| 02:24.10 | Guerin | Phated: improvise |
| 02:24.23 | dondelelcaro | paolo: load != cpu activity. |
| 02:24.23 | Phated | I hate to say this, but *raises hand* never had gumbo here, so sticking with some kind of veggie thing. |
| 02:24.28 | Phated | Guerin: Hm. Ok. |
| 02:24.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: White Phosphorus nuff said :D |
| 02:24.43 | abrotman | pumpkins suck |
| 02:24.44 | Guerin | ah, I presumed paolo was talking cpu load |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | Phated: youneed to have gumbo |
| 02:25.02 | tcsetattr | processes in D state are coutned in the load average, because they are not doing anything on the CPU but they are usually causing disk access, which is part of the general idea of "load". So if there's a process stuck in D state, the load average will be misleading |
| 02:25.03 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: no you suck |
| 02:25.08 | dondelelcaro | Phated: there are a few neatoid clock reactions that go from clear to orange to black... |
| 02:25.24 | cafuego | Why would you eat gumbo if there is ANY alternative? |
| 02:25.24 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: she said so .. but still pumpkins suck |
| 02:25.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Here's a rundown. I'll have one acid, one alkali, a bunch of reagents, and one unknown compound. Any ideas? |
| 02:25.34 | Phated | abrotman: I apparently do. |
| 02:25.39 | dondelelcaro | Phated: http://www.mun.ca/educ/ed4361/virtual_academy/campus_a/woodlandm/Demo1.html |
| 02:25.40 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Hmmm, fun... |
| 02:25.43 | abrotman | Phated: suck? |
| 02:25.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: hm |
| 02:25.44 | Phated | Wheeee. |
| 02:25.53 | Phated | abrotman: Need to have gumbo. |
| 02:26.04 | abrotman | Phated: you do ... but only from NOLA .. ask initech |
| 02:26.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: mix it all toghther and shake HARD |
| 02:26.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Right... |
| 02:26.29 | Phated | abrotman: OK. |
| 02:26.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 02:26.35 | Phated | :D |
| 02:26.36 | abrotman | Phated: or ask initech how to make it |
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| 02:26.47 | Guerin | gumbo's really hard to make properly, though |
| 02:26.52 | Phated | Oy, excelblue, don't CTCP. |
| 02:27.02 | Guerin | I can only do a half-arsed job, having never tasted the authentique |
| 02:27.31 | Phated | We are not going to get anything with mercury in them besides thermometers. |
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| 02:28.18 | Phated | abrotman: Hm, not a bad idea. |
| 02:28.21 | dondelelcaro | Phated: ? in a chemistry lab? It's not like HgCl2 is all that freaky... |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | Phated: maybe he can give you some substituts .. and scarynetworkguy can help :) |
| 02:28.50 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Dunno, but we've never studied mercury anything. |
| 02:28.53 | Phated | abrotman: Wheeee. |
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| 02:29.01 | simonrvn | temperature : 35-37 C (uncalibrated) |
| 02:29.06 | abrotman | Phated: you need spices :) |
| 02:29.06 | simonrvn | eek |
| 02:29.11 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: what are we gonna make? |
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| 02:29.21 | Phated | Whhhhheeeeee, spices! |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: not me .. not you .. Phated is making gumbo |
| 02:29.30 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.34 | dondelelcaro | Phated: oh. What level chemistry is this? |
| 02:29.37 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Ahhh yes gotta love gumbo |
| 02:29.39 | Phated | dondelelcaro: O level. |
| 02:29.43 | Treason | checking for GL/gl.h... no |
| 02:29.43 | Treason | configure: error: *** OpenGL support not installed - please install first *** |
| 02:29.44 | initech | gumbo? who? what? |
| 02:29.45 | abrotman | Orgasm? |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | initech: help Phated make gumbo |
| 02:29.58 | Treason | what deb package do i need for opengl |
| 02:30.00 | abrotman | and a Po Boy :) |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | !opengl |
| 02:30.07 | dpkg | [opengl] (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
| 02:30.10 | initech | mm... po boy |
| 02:30.12 | Phated | initech: Yes yes help Phated make gumbo and anything else abrotman suggests. |
| 02:30.14 | dondelelcaro | Phated: rrr... I've no clue what that means. |
| 02:30.24 | initech | Phated: what ya wanna know? |
| 02:30.27 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Well I'm 16, so I guess HS level. |
| 02:30.29 | abrotman | thomas_adam: my mom said she will send pecan roll recipe btw |
| 02:30.31 | Phated | initech: ANYTHING! |
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| 02:30.41 | Guerin | O-levels are a british high school xam |
| 02:30.45 | initech | Phated: can send you a recipe if you want |
| 02:30.47 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I need in on that action |
| 02:30.51 | Phated | initech: Whheeeeeee, yes. |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | i thought it was Orgasm :) |
| 02:30.58 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:31.03 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you like pecans? |
| 02:31.05 | initech | Phated: msg me with yr email then |
| 02:31.08 | Guerin | initech: put it on a httpd someplace, I wanna see too |
| 02:31.13 | Phated | initech: Okely dokely. |
| 02:31.16 | initech | Guerin: 'k |
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| 02:31.33 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I'm not stupid or anything you know |
| 02:31.40 | Phated | Mmm, pecans. |
| 02:31.41 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: huh? |
| 02:31.52 | Guerin | so do y'all pronounce it pee-kan or p'kahn ? |
| 02:31.52 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: only stupid people don't like pecans :D |
| 02:31.54 | abrotman | because you like pecans? |
| 02:31.56 | Phated | abrotman: No no no, #debian-cooking! :D |
| 02:31.57 | excelblue | I want a minimal install of debian sarge. |
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| 02:32.00 | excelblue | which CD do I get? |
| 02:32.02 | abrotman | Phated: nah .. |
| 02:32.06 | initech | Phated: what sort of gumbo? |
| 02:32.07 | Guerin | excelblue: d-i from the topic |
| 02:32.07 | Phated | abrotman: YES |
| 02:32.10 | abrotman | i like debian-recipes.com .. we can share |
| 02:32.11 | Treason | what deb package do i need for opengl |
| 02:32.17 | Guerin | Treason: depends. |
| 02:32.21 | Phated | initech: Uhm... Never had any, so I'm receptive to whatever. |
| 02:32.22 | abrotman | sausage gumbo! |
| 02:32.22 | cafuego | excelblue: Do you have a dcent internet link, accessible during install? |
| 02:32.23 | initech | Phated: chicken? duck? seafood? |
| 02:32.26 | dondelelcaro | Phated: well, HgCl2 is only $10 for 5g... |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | prok! |
| 02:32.29 | Phated | initech: Oooh seafood! |
| 02:32.33 | abrotman | kind of like pork :) |
| 02:32.33 | simonrvn | Treason: you need -dev packages to compile things |
| 02:32.35 | Treason | Guerin, its for an xmms package |
| 02:32.38 | scarynetworkguy | good choice |
| 02:32.41 | Phated | Mmm, seafood... |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | initech: no pork? |
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| 02:32.46 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Aaahhh, well. |
| 02:32.50 | scarynetworkguy | initech: can I get in on that email? |
| 02:32.52 | Guerin | Treason: what vid card have you? |
| 02:32.55 | initech | Phated: can you get lump crabmeat and grey shrimp out there? |
| 02:32.56 | dondelelcaro | Phated: it's sigma 215465-5G |
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| 02:33.00 | abrotman | no pork? |
| 02:33.03 | excelblue | I have an OK internet link, it can download about 1MB in 1min |
| 02:33.03 | abrotman | :( |
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| 02:33.12 | initech | abrotman: always, sausage :) |
| 02:33.13 | excelblue | so, it takes about 600min to download a 600MB ISO |
| 02:33.24 | cafuego | excelblue: get the 40Mb business card iso. |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | Phated: what is the easiest meat for you to get? |
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| 02:33.26 | Phated | initech: Grey shrimp... tiger prawns work as a substitute? |
| 02:33.36 | excelblue | cafuego: how about if I just want something decent to start with. |
| 02:33.40 | delire | anyone here successfully running an ATI9700 on x.org's X11R6 with DRI or fglrx? |
| 02:33.41 | Phated | abrotman: I can get chicken, pork, beef. |
| 02:33.43 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: wow |
| 02:33.47 | excelblue | since I was looking for something when installed, takes up about 200-300MB |
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| 02:33.47 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Wheee. |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | Phated: sausage? |
| 02:33.50 | cafuego | excelblue: it *only* contains the kernel and installer scripts. |
| 02:33.53 | initech | Phated: no, they sure don't. i like them but they aren't good for this at all |
| 02:33.56 | excelblue | how about netinstall? |
| 02:34.04 | initech | Phated: can you get ducks? |
| 02:34.05 | abrotman | use it |
| 02:34.10 | abrotman | heh .. ducks |
| 02:34.10 | Phated | initech: Damn. Hm. Grey shrimp. What exactly are grey shrimp? |
| 02:34.10 | Guerin | mmm, duck |
| 02:34.14 | Phated | Duck, mmm. |
| 02:34.15 | simonrvn | my cpu likes it cool ;) |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | Phated: can you get sausage? |
| 02:34.23 | cafuego | excelblue: same, but more options - both netinst and business card fetch actual packages from the net when installing. |
| 02:34.35 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, I've no clue what sort of regulatory stuff people normally have to do to get these things. I just order them, and they show up |
| 02:34.39 | initech | Phated: like gulf (of mexico) shrimp, they are grey or white (around florida they're pink) |
| 02:35.09 | cafuego | simonrvn: temperature : 23 C (uncalibrated) |
| 02:35.12 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: you have it easy |
| 02:35.13 | initech | Phated: they don't taste anything like tiger shrimp |
| 02:35.14 | excelblue | cafuego: can it do a clean install without the net? |
| 02:35.15 | abrotman | Phated: smaller |
| 02:35.15 | Phated | initech: I'll hunt around. |
| 02:35.18 | cafuego | simonrvn: Yours is *hot* |
| 02:35.34 | simonrvn | cafuego: i know. G3 in an 8500 case |
| 02:35.34 | cafuego | excelblue: No.. you'll need to get the full CD for that. |
| 02:35.39 | initech | Phated: i'll send you chicken, it's easy and cheap |
| 02:35.43 | excelblue | s**t |
| 02:35.49 | simonrvn | cafuego: i'm getting a powertower pro case soon |
| 02:35.52 | excelblue | usually, I would only need CD1 to get X and all that ,right? |
| 02:35.53 | cafuego | simonrvn: This is a G3 in a G3 case (with the big F-O fan along the side) |
| 02:35.58 | Phated | initech: Wheeee, excellent, thanks. |
| 02:36.05 | cafuego | excelblue: Yeah... I think so. |
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