| 00:00.02 | mitem | i wish there were an open source webmail package as beautiful as the one for exchange server |
| 00:00.03 | abrotman | Phated: what do you know about baseball? |
| 00:00.09 | Karnaugh | jsan: so the entire system is a useless cock up - hence i switched to Postfix and a mysql backend with postfixadmin |
| 00:00.11 | Phated | cyberchondria: apt-get. Joy of joys. |
| 00:00.15 | cyberchondria | PerfDave : talking about installing programs. |
| 00:00.22 | Phated | abrotman: That I'm not going to support the Sox. |
| 00:00.23 | cyberchondria | oh ok cool close to it then |
| 00:00.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i heard a 5 year old did it the other day .. you should be ok |
| 00:00.28 | FlipmodePlaya | I think restarting it worked, thanks. |
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| 00:00.31 | abrotman | Phated: engrish? |
| 00:00.35 | Phated | cyberchondria: Yes. apt-get install works. :) |
| 00:00.40 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: most 5 you are smarter than be :/ |
| 00:00.45 | PerfDave | cyberchondria: Installing programs means using apt-get on the command line, aptitude for ncurses, or synaptic for X. |
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| 00:00.47 | scarynetworkguy | s/be/me |
| 00:00.56 | Pretty_Generic | why is it called gnu when it looks like a penguin |
| 00:00.58 | glick | hmm following the debian nvidia howto apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source it says that it couldnt find nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:00.58 | abrotman | and kill the u? |
| 00:01.00 | zeeeee | does anybody know how to access ext3 or reiser filesystems from windows? (with write access) |
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| 00:01.07 | Phated | Er WTF. Linux != Gnu. |
| 00:01.09 | PerfDave | cyberchondria: It's kind of like Gentoo except it's a lot faster, because it doesn't have to download source and compile, and doesn't crash all the fucking time. |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | wtf .. it's sunday!!! |
| 00:01.11 | jsan | my freinds a use debian-cdd r3 , vpopmail and courieer imap |
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| 00:01.17 | cyberchondria | And this will run better than gentoo |
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| 00:01.23 | PerfDave | Phated: Linux != GNU |
| 00:01.23 | jsan | whats the problem ? |
| 00:01.23 | Phated | cyberchondria: Heck yes. |
| 00:01.31 | Phated | PerfDave: Fine. |
| 00:01.34 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 00:01.35 | cyberchondria | COOL im on my way |
| 00:01.37 | abrotman | jsan: can you telnet to the IMAP port? |
| 00:01.40 | PerfDave | Pretty_Generic: Linux != GNU |
| 00:01.51 | jsan | yes |
| 00:02.03 | Phated | WHAT, I ask, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE AND TAB-COMPLETE?! |
| 00:02.03 | Pretty_Generic | linux is not unix, gnu = "gnu's not unix", therefore linux = gnu = !unix |
| 00:02.03 | dondelelcaro | Pretty_Generic: GNU's logo is a Gnu. |
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| 00:02.19 | abrotman | Phated: Phated Phated Phated: what do you mean? |
| 00:02.19 | PerfDave | Pretty_Generic: http://www.gnu.org/ |
| 00:02.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: we all suck every last one of us |
| 00:02.32 | initech | huh? Linux = GNU |
| 00:02.34 | Phated | Pretty_Generic: Windows != Linux, does Windows == UNIX? |
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| 00:02.41 | Phated | initech: No. |
| 00:02.41 | rich_ | I think its the apps that are gnu not the kernel |
| 00:02.46 | PerfDave | Bah, Phated should stop saying what I'm about to say. |
| 00:02.48 | mitem | linux == kernel |
| 00:02.50 | mitem | gnu == os |
| 00:02.53 | rich_ | The gnu kernel is hurd |
| 00:02.57 | Phated | PerfDave should pay more attention. |
| 00:03.03 | abrotman | gnu wishes they were the whole OS |
| 00:03.06 | PerfDave | Phated: I'm writing pr0n. |
| 00:03.12 | citral | abrotman, point |
| 00:03.13 | abrotman | hurd is poop |
| 00:03.18 | PerfDave | abrotman: Ever tried using HURD? |
| 00:03.19 | Anthro | I realize this is woefully off-topic, but I'm hoping I can find some help here. I am trying to install a bootloader (grub or lilo or something else, I don't care) under vmware. I have a virtual disk with a single Windows partition, and want it to just boot immediately. Help, please. |
| 00:03.23 | initech | please, GNU/linux only. thank you. |
| 00:03.23 | Phated | GNU is pretty much the tools and utils like ls and stuff. Linux is the kernel. |
| 00:03.24 | Pretty_Generic | No. Windows == VMS |
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| 00:03.25 | rich_ | Linux seems to be a lot more popular than hurd |
| 00:03.27 | jsan | abrotman I conect with port 100 , no problem |
| 00:03.28 | initech | ;) |
| 00:03.29 | abrotman | PerfDave: not in a while .. i've heard they made much progress |
| 00:03.31 | Phated | *ack* |
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| 00:03.35 | mitem | abrotman: but the idea of a microkernel seems pretty darn cool |
| 00:03.40 | abrotman | jsan: your imap is port 100? |
| 00:03.46 | Phated | Windows == VMS... Since when? |
| 00:03.49 | abrotman | mitem: sure it does .. if it works |
| 00:03.53 | abrotman | windows was based on vmw |
| 00:03.56 | PerfDave | abrotman: It's perfectly usable. Friend of mine uses GNU/HURD, has X and Moz and stuff working on it nicely. The main reason it sucks is hardware support. |
| 00:03.56 | abrotman | vms |
| 00:03.57 | asuffield | actually, windows has most of its roots in os/2 |
| 00:03.57 | Anthro | Phated: since "NT" |
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| 00:04.08 | Phated | Anthro: Bah. |
| 00:04.19 | Phated | But OK. |
| 00:04.20 | asuffield | from that path it shares a common ancestor with vms, though |
| 00:04.29 | abrotman | no . Windows is not VMS |
| 00:04.39 | Anthro | Phated: The primary developer of VMS was hired by MS to create NT. |
| 00:04.42 | citral | it's parctic to be closed source, you can steal the code of every other and say you are original |
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| 00:04.44 | initech | NT == vms == Os/2 == phatedsmite |
| 00:04.46 | PerfDave | Windows is VMS if GNU is Linux, apples are oranges and iPods are good. |
| 00:04.51 | abrotman | nt is not vms |
| 00:04.59 | jsan | abrotman whats the por i test courier |
| 00:05.01 | abrotman | damn you people and your revisionist history |
| 00:05.09 | bl0wfish | DAMN |
| 00:05.17 | initech | PerfDave == Phated |
| 00:05.18 | Phated | So if Windows != Linux and Windows == VMS and GNU != UNIX then by Pretty_Generic's logic, Windows == UNIX. BAH. |
| 00:05.22 | nvz | heh |
| 00:05.23 | abrotman | !imap |
| 00:05.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. |
| 00:05.23 | Phated | initech: EW GOD NO! |
| 00:05.25 | asuffield | windows also has a bunch of acorn riscos grafted into it, of all things. I still can't figure out why that happened |
| 00:05.32 | abrotman | jsan: dunno .. check /etc/services |
| 00:05.33 | afcpack | hehehe |
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| 00:05.39 | Pretty_Generic | So it's a penguin, but deep inside it's a gnu. |
| 00:05.40 | jsan | ok |
| 00:05.44 | PerfDave | abrotman: OS Review vol 4 issue 6 doubleplus ungood. Refs unosen, rewrite upsub antefiling. |
| 00:05.44 | Anthro | abrotman: NT shares its software architect with VMS. |
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| 00:05.50 | scarynetworkguy | !aolify Pretty_Generic |
| 00:05.59 | cyberchondria | um ...which release would you recomend |
| 00:06.04 | Phated | Pretty_Generic: It's more like a penguin with a little bunch of gnus. |
| 00:06.06 | Phated | cyberchondria: sarge. |
| 00:06.09 | PerfDave | cyberchondria: For you, Sarge. |
| 00:06.10 | cyberchondria | k |
| 00:06.15 | PerfDave | cyberchondria: /msg dpkg d-o |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | Anthro: does that make it VMS? |
| 00:06.16 | PerfDave | cyberchondria: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:06.20 | abrotman | PerfDave: snarf? |
| 00:06.21 | initech | Pretty_Generic: it's a penguin nibbling on a Gnu's hooves |
| 00:06.21 | rich_ | Whether linux is unix or not, its still a descentdant of minix which is a descendant of system 5. A bastard child is still a child. |
| 00:06.28 | cyberchondria | ? |
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| 00:06.36 | PerfDave | abrotman: Bah, you don't recognise parodies of classic literature |
| 00:06.40 | PerfDave | !msgdpkg |
| 00:06.40 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. |
| 00:06.41 | rich_ | so it has royal blood even if its not an heir to the throne |
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| 00:06.44 | pipeline | rich_: uh, minix is in no way a descendant of sysV |
| 00:06.49 | Ookii | can anyone tell me the mouse driver for an eraserhead type mouse for a toshiba sattelite notebook for putting in xf86config? |
| 00:06.59 | Anthro | abrotman: in much the same way that GNU/Linux is Unix. They were trying to accomplish much the same thing with much the same approach. |
| 00:07.04 | pipeline | rich_: Minix's explicit purpose was to avoid the licensing mess incurred by UNIX v6 and the Lions book. |
| 00:07.07 | PerfDave | Ookii: I think it's just PS/2, I think it was on my Satellite Pro. |
| 00:07.08 | abrotman | Anthro: is it VMS? |
| 00:07.18 | abrotman | does NT == VMS .. or not .. i think not |
| 00:07.21 | citral | Ookii, but you don't put the driver in XF86Config |
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| 00:07.26 | abrotman | more of a ~= |
| 00:07.30 | Anthro | abrotman: to a greater or less extent, yes. NT ~= VMS. |
| 00:07.37 | PerfDave | pipeline: Uhm, minix's explicit purpose was a small microkernel-based unix-like system that would run on 386, for teaching purposes. |
| 00:07.37 | ^Ocean^ | okay I got a sound blaster live, and I got 2 outputs in the back, is there away i can specify xmms to play out only one of the channels ? |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | which is what everyone fucking said god damn it |
| 00:07.46 | thoreauputic | rich_: and linux is not a descendent of minix, either |
| 00:07.48 | abrotman | nt is not vms |
| 00:07.51 | jcook2 | i need to run a command after eth0 is brought up. what is the debian way to do this ? |
| 00:07.52 | abrotman | its kind of like it |
| 00:07.57 | PerfDave | NT pattern matches VMS? |
| 00:08.07 | citral | kind of more or less a peu pres like it |
| 00:08.08 | Ookii | citral: what should i put for it under mouse then? |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 00:08.21 | PerfDave | jcook2: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:08.22 | Phated | abrotman: UNCLEAN INFIDEL! |
| 00:08.23 | citral | Ookii, PS/2 probably. |
| 00:08.28 | cyberchondria | i dont see sarge at www.linuxiso.org? |
| 00:08.29 | bl0wfish | jcook2: put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:08.29 | PerfDave | jcook2: You can specify commands to run after an interface is brought up. |
| 00:08.38 | PerfDave | cyberchondria: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:08.45 | Phated | cyberchondria: Er.../msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:08.45 | abrotman | Phated: unless i'm mistaken .. that has nothig to do with my testicle |
| 00:08.48 | citral | Ookii, you could google for it |
| 00:08.50 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: sucks to be you |
| 00:08.57 | thoreauputic | !tell cyberchondria about d-i |
| 00:09.05 | Phated | abrotman: Anyone who has NT on any part of their body, unclean. |
| 00:09.10 | bl0wfish | ! |
| 00:09.10 | jcook2 | thanks all ... ... i will use the up option in interfaces |
| 00:09.18 | bl0wfish | :) |
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| 00:09.36 | abrotman | Phated: oh ok .. i have it between my ass cheeks |
| 00:09.44 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: TMI |
| 00:09.47 | pipeline | PerfDave: 286. And it wouldn't have been done if Tanenbaum had been able to use the Lions book for classes like he had originally wanted. |
| 00:09.55 | Ookii | citral:i tried, what is the /dev location of ps/2? i have the symbolic one |
| 00:10.07 | jcook2 | i am currious though ... the hosting provider said something about '/etc/*/ifup.d' or something ... anyone able to shed some light on that one? |
| 00:10.09 | pipeline | PerfDave: Actually, wait, MINIX will actually run on an 8088. As in, an original IBM 5150 |
| 00:10.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: that's why i directed it at Phated :) |
| 00:10.29 | abrotman | welcome to #os-history |
| 00:10.32 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yeah but the rest of us had to se it |
| 00:10.33 | pipeline | PerfDave: But you have to have a full memory loadout, otherwise you have to use "exec" in order to unload the shell when you run programs. |
| 00:10.34 | Phated | abrotman: Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew. |
| 00:10.42 | cyberchondria | kinda slow download ... :( only 125kbs |
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| 00:11.00 | PerfDave | abrotman's left testicle is unclean? He should wash it occasionally. |
| 00:11.04 | citral | dpkg, qotd40 is abrotman| nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 00:11.04 | dpkg | okay, citral |
| 00:11.07 | JeffH | are there any apps that'll show me 'cap lock on' 'cap lock off' on screen when I press the caps lock key? |
| 00:11.08 | Pretty_Generic | I think UNICS is a lot better since the 60s. |
| 00:11.13 | PerfDave | cyberchondria: Use the torrents, if they're up? |
| 00:11.13 | Pretty_Generic | they did well |
| 00:11.17 | Phated | cyberchondria: You can always use the damned floppies, and stop whining when I only get ~50kbauds. |
| 00:11.23 | citral | (replace <Ash_2004> No.. I just dont know english) |
| 00:11.28 | nvz | o.O |
| 00:11.35 | dondelelcaro | JeffH: not that I know of... but you could write one. |
| 00:11.37 | PerfDave | JeffH: kdm does, which is handy :) |
| 00:11.51 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:11.58 | abrotman | what happened to the real qotd40? |
| 00:12.07 | cyberchondria | hmmm...i dont see anything about torrents |
| 00:12.09 | scarynetworkguy | qotd11 |
| 00:12.12 | Moebius | ok what exactly is debian woody? |
| 00:12.17 | citral | Ookii, what kernel? |
| 00:12.20 | abrotman | !woody |
| 00:12.20 | dpkg | somebody said woody was the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 00:12.20 | Phated | Moebius: Read debian.org. |
| 00:12.21 | scarynetworkguy | cyberchondria: there are no torrents |
| 00:12.22 | PerfDave | Moebius: /msg dpkg releases |
| 00:12.23 | JeffH | PerfDave: what about once I'm already logged in? |
| 00:12.30 | PerfDave | JeffH: No idea :) |
| 00:12.44 | Ookii | citral: whatever is on debian.org right now for their images |
| 00:12.45 | bl0wfish | so, when is sarge released? |
| 00:12.57 | citral | Ookii, uname -r |
| 00:12.59 | cyberchondria | dang well its at 27% so i will wait |
| 00:12.59 | dondelelcaro | !when will sarge release |
| 00:13.00 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when testing-security is online. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040922.235108.ffbd1f8f.en.html for current info. Ask me about sarge-pool, wir, siyh. |
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| 00:13.08 | Pretty_Generic | Also, the war in Vietnam is over which is cool |
| 00:13.17 | rich_ | I just looked it up in the family tree. Minix split from the main unix system5 bracnh, shortly before what they were calling system 8 in around 1984 |
| 00:13.21 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite Pretty_Generic |
| 00:13.26 | PerfDave | Pretty_Generic: No, it just moved to Iraq :) |
| 00:13.36 | Ookii | citral: 2.2.20-idepic |
| 00:13.47 | citral | Ookii, o_O |
| 00:14.17 | abrotman | just kill him too |
| 00:14.30 | citral | Ookii, apt-cache search kernel-image, pick up the last one for your arch |
| 00:14.43 | citral | Ookii, 2.4.something |
| 00:15.02 | Ookii | i just downloaded this image from debian.org, they don't have the newest? |
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| 00:15.28 | abrotman | !tell Ookii about real kernel |
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| 00:15.38 | glick | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source says that it cant find that package? |
| 00:15.52 | tiger1020x | hello all .nix fre-qz |
| 00:15.55 | citral | Ookii, if you want something more "up-to-date", /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:15.56 | cyberchondria | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <---thats what im downloading is that sarge? |
| 00:16.09 | abrotman | tiger1020x: are you 7? |
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| 00:16.32 | citral | Ookii, or /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 00:16.46 | citral | Ookii, and please, install a real kernel. |
| 00:16.49 | tiger1020x | anyone here? |
| 00:16.54 | Ookii | citral: honestly i'm just putting this on an old laptop, i'll i'd like to have is x so i can have open office |
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| 00:16.59 | Ookii | citral: to type stuff |
| 00:17.00 | thoreauputic | cyberchondria: err...did you bother to read the page? |
| 00:17.08 | cyberchondria | ya |
| 00:17.19 | cyberchondria | ;) |
| 00:17.23 | gmortena | hello, I am running psybnc ... and I can only make it run in root.. how can i get it running in usermode ??? |
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| 00:17.25 | Ookii | citral: isn't ps2 /dev/ps2? i have /dev/mouse, but i know that is a symbolic location |
| 00:17.26 | thoreauputic | cyberchondria: and did it say sarge ? |
| 00:17.28 | cyberchondria | read right nover it LOL!!!! |
| 00:17.33 | Vilim | can anyone recommend a good 3d graphing program? |
| 00:17.36 | cyberchondria | Installing sarge with the Debian-Installer |
| 00:17.44 | Vilim | I can't figure out how to do what I want in gnuplot |
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| 00:17.49 | citral | Ookii, yeah yeah, but 2.2 is really outdated you know, you'll get really better perf with a 2.4 |
| 00:17.50 | thoreauputic | cyberchondria: congratulations |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | doesn't gnuplot do 3d? |
| 00:17.55 | cyberchondria | i've been drinkin :P |
| 00:17.57 | woodyst | sorry, my internet provider sucks |
| 00:17.59 | tiger1020x | nmap -P0 -O www.georgebush.com daddy what does that do? |
| 00:18.03 | PerfDave | citral: Prove it :) |
| 00:18.04 | woodyst | as all spanish providers!!! |
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| 00:18.12 | abrotman | tiger1020x: man nmap .. figure it out |
| 00:18.14 | reptor | hello, I am running psybnc ... and I can only make it run in root.. how can i get it running in usermode ??? |
| 00:18.15 | nvz | bah |
| 00:18.29 | tiger1020x | it was a joke |
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| 00:18.45 | citral | PerfDave, that would take too long :) |
| 00:18.48 | PerfDave | 2.2 kernels are nice and small and solid, if you don't need USB, you don't need 2.4 and if you can live without kernel pre-empting, you don't need 2.6 |
| 00:18.48 | abrotman | nvz: we need them .. they keep letting morons from PA in here |
| 00:18.51 | afcpack | my choice of Labatt got shot down the other night... how 'bout a nice cold Molsen Golden? |
| 00:18.55 | rich_ | http://www.levenez.com/unix/ <-- linux family tree |
| 00:18.59 | abrotman | !beer afcpack |
| 00:19.09 | Pretty_Generic | I don't get it though. I though UNIX was made by SCO. |
| 00:19.14 | Q-FUNK | does anybody know why passing options to kernel 2.6 from modconf fails? |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | just kill him |
| 00:19.17 | abrotman | jeez |
| 00:19.20 | PerfDave | On lower-end systems, the bloat of a 2.6 kernel more than outweighs the benefit of kernel pre-empting. |
| 00:19.21 | tiger1020x | PA i'm from Pa and i hate it.. |
| 00:19.24 | nvz | abrotman: um? |
| 00:19.24 | afcpack | abrotman: that always wooks, too :) |
| 00:19.29 | PerfDave | Pretty_Generic: It was made by SCO and Microsoft. |
| 00:19.35 | woodyst | PerfDave: I think that not all drivers are prepared for preempting. Are they? |
| 00:19.41 | abrotman | tiger1020x: yeah .. they make a lot of morons in PA don't they :) |
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| 00:20.11 | PerfDave | woodyst: I've not heard of any extant problems with kernel pre-empting in 2.6. Perhaps some non-Free drivers don't handle it well, but then that's what you get for using crap propriatery drivers :) |
| 00:20.12 | tiger1020x | land of people that yuppies or ghetto blacks |
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| 00:20.31 | afcpack | abrotman: a lot of them work for PennDot |
| 00:20.47 | tiger1020x | lol |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | tiger1020x: you must live in a city .. you forgot the rednecks the make up the 80% of the state |
| 00:20.52 | woodyst | PerfDave: I use only free drivers and from 2.6 i get some kernel panics related to preempt (oops indicates it) |
| 00:21.05 | PerfDave | woodyst: Really? I hope you've filed bugs ;) |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | afcpack: you think? :) |
| 00:21.13 | tiger1020x | close by |
| 00:21.14 | PerfDave | woodyst: Can't say I've had any similar experiences. |
| 00:21.18 | Ookii | citral: considering i don't have internet on this laptop, where would i download the kernel package so i could then install it manually |
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| 00:21.22 | citral | PerfDave, here 2.6 is much nicer with my ibook( I mean reaction time, disk noises) than 2.4 was. |
| 00:21.30 | hackeron | I have a strange connection to 195.86.128.57 of data being sent with my bandwidth limitation to there. I am the only user and I'm sure as hell not sending anything there.. I added the ip to the blacklist file in shorewall and restarted it, but that doesnt seem to kill the connection to there. Any idea what else to try? |
| 00:21.35 | woodyst | PerfDave: for the moment i haven't, because i think it can be my machine. I am investigating... |
| 00:21.39 | afcpack | abrotman: I see the results every time I head up I-79... the change at the state line is incredible |
| 00:21.43 | glick | step 3 of the debian nvidia howto doesnt seem to work for me |
| 00:21.45 | woodyst | PerfDave: it was a question... |
| 00:21.49 | tiger1020x | south street got killed so i ended up moving to vegas |
| 00:21.52 | abrotman | afcpack: yeah .. sucks don't it :) |
| 00:21.59 | PerfDave | woodyst: Like I say, I hadn't *heard* of any such problems. |
| 00:21.59 | rich_ | 2.4 without -ck makes my movies skip. |
| 00:21.59 | glick | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source comes back with package not found |
| 00:22.04 | rich_ | 2.6 doesnt |
| 00:22.08 | abrotman | tiger1020x: you live in philly now? |
| 00:22.14 | PerfDave | glick: I think it might be nvidia-kernel-src? |
| 00:22.23 | glick | hmm |
| 00:22.24 | woodyst | PerfDave: right, then i think it may be my machine... |
| 00:22.26 | mwilson | glick: Well, why don't you add non-free to your sources like it says and try again? |
| 00:22.27 | tiger1020x | yeah |
| 00:22.36 | citral | Ookii, you have a woody install cd, you have 2.4 kernel on it. apt-setup, choose cd, apt-get update, apt-cache search whatyouwant |
| 00:22.37 | tiger1020x | i don't leave the house much cause of it |
| 00:22.47 | codin | what is apic ? |
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| 00:22.53 | abrotman | !apci |
| 00:22.58 | PerfDave | citral: I'd rather run 2.6 than 2.4 on a reasonably high-spec system like my Celeron, but I'd have 2.4 on a Pentium and 2.2 on a 486. |
| 00:22.58 | abrotman | !acpi |
| 00:22.58 | dpkg | somebody said acpi was Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS. Details at http://www.teleport.com/~acpi/acpihtml/home.htm, or at http://phobos.fs.tum.de/acpi, or horribly horribly broken, for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/, or patches at acpi.sf.netl.org), or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0" |
| 00:23.17 | woodyst | codin: apic: programable interrupts controller |
| 00:23.34 | abrotman | oh yeah .. that too :) |
| 00:23.38 | abrotman | !apic |
| 00:23.38 | dpkg | from memory, apic is Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, a new PIC, and about time too... |
| 00:23.38 | codin | woodyst, thx and acpi ? |
| 00:23.41 | woodyst | codin: mostly for smp but some cpus have one and can use it without smp |
| 00:23.44 | eruin | http://www.beatniksoftware.com/tomboy/img/applet-small.png <--- can anyone tell me what the "greenish" notification icon with a "v" in it is for? |
| 00:23.44 | tiger1020x | debian makes you hardcore like sid vicious |
| 00:23.57 | abrotman | codin: scroll up a bit .. see what dpkg said |
| 00:24.00 | citral | PerfDave, yes. |
| 00:24.09 | abrotman | sid was a junkie |
| 00:24.11 | nvz | hackeron: ftp.easynet.nl |
| 00:24.13 | abrotman | no vision |
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| 00:24.31 | abrotman | no talent either |
| 00:24.32 | hackeron | nvz: how does that help me kill the connection to the IP? |
| 00:24.56 | PerfDave | citral: I also wouldn't run 2.6 on a server, FWIW :) |
| 00:24.59 | woodyst | codin: acpi: advanced configuration and poser interface: substitutes apm |
| 00:25.05 | codin | abrotman, thank you |
| 00:25.18 | woodyst | codin: acpi: advanced configuration and power interface: substitutes apm |
| 00:25.20 | rich_ | It doesnt take talent to change the world. Vicious was like no one else before him and many after wards emulated him |
| 00:25.26 | nvz | hackeron: well thats what it is. you know enough to see an IP somewhere but cannot stop a connection? |
| 00:25.31 | tiger1020x | abrotman you know anything about gtk-gnutella or xmame src compiles? |
| 00:25.34 | abrotman | uhm ... who the fuck would want to be like him? |
| 00:25.42 | abrotman | tiger1020x: nope .. i use the packages |
| 00:25.42 | PerfDave | Sid Vicious was a talentless loser. |
| 00:25.47 | abrotman | !win PerfDave |
| 00:25.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, PerfDave! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:25.50 | citral | PerfDave, totally depends, I would run 2.6.5 on a powerpc server. |
| 00:25.52 | rich_ | abrotman I dont know, punk rockers I guess |
| 00:26.09 | hackeron | nvz: yes, I see the connection on ntop, all I want to do is kill it. How do I do that? |
| 00:26.10 | woodyst | Who wants the US presidency? |
| 00:26.17 | rich_ | abrotman vivian from "the young ones" |
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| 00:26.21 | abrotman | rich_: i don't know a single smart punk rocker who thinks sid was anything but a fucked up talentless crackhead |
| 00:26.23 | doublehp | woodyst: I do |
| 00:26.24 | PerfDave | citral: I wouldn't run 2.6 on a server full-stop. I don't think it's stable enough for it. |
| 00:26.26 | nvz | hackeron: kill whatever is running the connection |
| 00:26.38 | woodyst | doublehp: I will not retain you |
| 00:26.41 | PerfDave | citral: Or rather, I don't think there's any benefit to it. |
| 00:26.42 | hackeron | nvz: I cant kill apache... |
| 00:26.43 | doublehp | :( |
| 00:26.53 | tiger1020x | ok abrotman.. can you tell me why i connect at 4.0 on my winmodem but never get good bandwidth use on gtk-gnutella? |
| 00:27.03 | abrotman | rich_: and i think you're getting at they emulated his on stage prescense .. not his life as a whole |
| 00:27.11 | hackeron | nvz: I just want to kill that particular connection, no matter what is causing it... |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | tiger1020x: no .. nfc |
| 00:27.16 | nvz | hackeron: heh |
| 00:27.21 | woodyst | tiger1020x: do you share a lot of files? |
| 00:27.25 | PerfDave | abrotman: Actually, when I grow up I want to knife my girlfriend and OD on smack. I think it'd be really cool. |
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| 00:27.37 | hackeron | nvz: if iptables can block IPs, cant it kill connections to them? |
| 00:27.41 | tiger1020x | no it's not anything obvious |
| 00:27.49 | abrotman | PerfDave: i know .. wouldn't it be great .. smack is the best .. it's like .. sex .. but on drugs :) |
| 00:28.01 | woodyst | nvz: yes, you block an IP and connection get blocked |
| 00:28.02 | rich_ | abrotman but isnt that what an artist is? I mean everyone has a personal life a whole lot die from drugs or alchohol. What matters is what he left the world |
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| 00:28.16 | tiger1020x | but i never get more than 28.8 on gnutella downloads and i hate using limewire |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | rich_: and wtf did sid vicious leave worth anything? .. absolutely nothing .. and i grew up listening to SP |
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| 00:28.53 | rich_ | abrotman I dont know but you said he had a presence. |
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| 00:29.11 | woodyst | tiger1020x: IMHO: best is bittorrent, then aMule and xMule, and then, gnutella |
| 00:29.28 | nvz | bah I better not be getting sick again |
| 00:29.32 | rich_ | abrotman I actually think it was his voice, but a presence is better |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | rich_: on stage .. he was a front man without trying .. he was the character of the band .. regardless .. he was a talentless crackhead .. and his death bettered the world |
| 00:29.40 | tiger1020x | i know abotman about sp but it was a general statement basicly that could be understood by the whole |
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| 00:30.24 | abrotman | rich_: would you really want to see sid vicious still living? |
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| 00:30.29 | abrotman | even 10 years ago? |
| 00:30.36 | abrotman | look at Rotten .. he's a joke |
| 00:30.54 | woodyst | SerajewelKS: sorry, my connection hanged up |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | even though he lived .. and "made a difference" .. punkers need to rock out . then retire .. and stay retired |
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| 00:31.04 | rich_ | abrotman You mean would I pull the trigger? No :) |
| 00:31.08 | woodyst | SerajewelKS: Spanish ISPs sucks! |
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| 00:31.31 | rick__ | hi guys, i did a "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" yesterday. One of the packages it upgraded is squid. Since then, i am having problems with ncsa_auth. With the authentication enabled, i am unable to surf. with the authentication disabled, i can surf |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | rich_: don't you think people like Rotten and like Iggy Pop trying to connect with young people .. is rediculous? |
| 00:31.35 | rick__ | any suggestions ? |
| 00:31.44 | k-man | how long does it take for new kernels to get into sarge usualy? |
| 00:31.52 | tiger1020x | the end all be all is women kill rockstars..trust me i know i was one... www.quintesense.djcentral.com |
| 00:31.58 | k-man | ie, 2.6.9 |
| 00:31.59 | abrotman | k-man: see if it's in sid first |
| 00:32.01 | afcpack | abrotman: Jello Biafra should be on the list too... |
| 00:32.08 | abrotman | afcpack: heh :) |
| 00:32.10 | tiger1020x | omg jello |
| 00:32.34 | rich_ | abrotman No, but Im glad you mentioned iggy pop. a hundred years after people forget about them drinking too much they will be remembered for their art. |
| 00:32.40 | afcpack | local college paper trashed his new CD... |
| 00:32.41 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.9-386 |
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| 00:33.11 | woodyst | !info kernel-image-2.6.9 |
| 00:33.17 | abrotman | rich_: doubtful .. only a few will be remembered .. how many other bands that you thought were cool 20 years ago do you still listen to? |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | when is the last time you broke out that Exploited tape and listened to it? |
| 00:33.53 | woodyst | !info linux-2.6.8.1 |
| 00:33.59 | rich_ | abrotman I still go see them, they all have their own bands now and still play together sometimes |
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| 00:34.19 | rich_ | They havent even retired yet |
| 00:34.21 | abrotman | rich_: you still see Exploited play? |
| 00:34.28 | macewan | anyone run into & fixed this? Could not find assembly gtk-sharp, references from /usr/share/dotnet/f-spot/f-spot.exe |
| 00:34.34 | abrotman | don't you think it's kind of odd? .. they're like 50 now |
| 00:34.36 | abrotman | at least |
| 00:34.39 | tiger1020x | diff als 1.06 1.07rc anyone? |
| 00:34.54 | Tchiak | woulda been funnier fi they used g-spot for the file name :P |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | Tchiak: instead of f-spot? |
| 00:35.14 | macewan | :) |
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| 00:35.33 | rich_ | abrotman The bands I was listening to 20 years ago hevent even retried yet, but most of them, a huge percentage of the members now play in multiple bands. |
| 00:35.39 | tiger1020x | damn abrotman you've been in the chat since nixon was in office |
| 00:35.43 | macewan | anyone run into & fixed this? Could not find assembly right spot, references from /usr/share/dotnet/g-spot/g-spot.exe |
| 00:35.53 | rich_ | retired |
| 00:35.53 | abrotman | rich_: do they still play punk .. do they still drive like they used to? |
| 00:36.02 | citral | bah dpkg says kernel-image-2.6.8-powerpc doesn't exist |
| 00:36.02 | abrotman | tiger1020x: since you were in diapers |
| 00:36.08 | citral | dpkg, bah |
| 00:36.08 | dpkg | bah is, like, everyone's other favourite word (see heh) |
| 00:36.17 | abrotman | !boo |
| 00:36.19 | tiger1020x | i doubt it i'm old |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | tiger1020x: how old? |
| 00:36.31 | tiger1020x | 30 |
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| 00:36.49 | phigan | anyone use oidentd? |
| 00:36.52 | zinx | 30 is old? X_X |
| 00:36.56 | phigan | how do I use ident spoofs with oidentd? |
| 00:36.56 | tiger1020x | still get carded and date 18 yr olds though |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | tiger1020x: aren't you foul |
| 00:37.10 | rich_ | abrotman In some cases more. Theres a lot of people who never liked boby weir too much when he played rock and roll and were a lot happier when he played country/bluegrass with ratdog |
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| 00:37.16 | tiger1020x | absolutely not |
| 00:37.31 | rich_ | So they are alive and progressing |
| 00:37.34 | abrotman | rich_: sure .. but that makes sense since dead started as a jug band |
| 00:37.38 | glick | damn every way i try to make nvidia modules somehow something always doesnt work |
| 00:37.52 | tiger1020x | brb reboot |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:38.14 | rich_ | yea, pure country fans hated the dead and they are getting back into phill and friends |
| 00:38.29 | abrotman | jug isn't exactly country |
| 00:38.30 | glick | when i run debian/rules binary_modules i get a error that says dh_testdir: cannot read debian/control no such file or directory |
| 00:38.35 | thomas_adam | phigan: You read the documentation. |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | thomas_adam: !! |
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| 00:38.54 | thomas_adam | Hey, abrotman. |
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| 00:38.59 | abrotman | thomas_adam: shouldn't you be sleeping? |
| 00:39.01 | thomas_adam | Can't stop long, I must try and sleep,. |
| 00:39.11 | abrotman | i missed 60 minutes .. i'm bummed |
| 00:39.20 | thomas_adam | 9am lecture, too. |
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| 00:39.29 | abrotman | lecture on what? |
| 00:39.36 | thomas_adam | Operating Systems. |
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| 00:39.58 | thomas_adam | We had our "three minute" look at Unix. That was it. |
| 00:40.02 | thomas_adam | It's such a bullshit unit. |
| 00:40.11 | abrotman | thomas_adam: so what is the rest? |
| 00:40.22 | pipeline | abrotman: probably ATL |
| 00:40.35 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Fucked if I know. It's all "student lead" because the lecturer is a wanker who doesn't know what he is doing. |
| 00:40.59 | jsan | waths the directory log run the courrier imap |
| 00:41.00 | abrotman | thomas_adam: so ask for more unix time .. or BeOS :) |
| 00:41.06 | afcpack | 2-0 sox in 1st |
| 00:41.06 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 00:41.16 | abrotman | afcpack: that was soooo close |
| 00:41.22 | dondelelcaro | wait, they only spent 3 minutes on UNIX in an OS class? yeesh. |
| 00:41.35 | rick__ | hi guys, i need some assistance |
| 00:41.43 | rick__ | i did a "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" yesterday. One of the packages it upgraded is squid. Since then, i am having problems with ncsa_auth. With the authentication enabled, i am unable to surf. with the authentication disabled, i can surf |
| 00:41.44 | jsan | whats the directory log run the courrier imap ? |
| 00:41.52 | abrotman | /var/log ? |
| 00:42.06 | dondelelcaro | that's like taking a photography class and spending no time in the darkroom |
| 00:42.06 | thomas_adam | glick: you need to run 'debian/rules binary' |
| 00:42.22 | jsan | in the /var/log |
| 00:42.22 | glick | hmm it doesnt say that in the docs |
| 00:42.23 | jsan | I dont find |
| 00:42.29 | rich_ | extra credit |
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| 00:42.44 | abrotman | afcpack: how you like those pants? |
| 00:42.48 | glick | thomas_adam, it says no such rule |
| 00:42.53 | glick | when i try binary |
| 00:43.05 | thomas_adam | glick: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:43.18 | glick | thomas_adam, get my nvidia drivers installed |
| 00:43.19 | thomas_adam | abrotman: I'd rather have the snooker ones. :) |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | !britsmite thomas_adam |
| 00:43.33 | afcpack | abrotman: it doesn't work without the old stirrup socks :) |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | afcpack: heh |
| 00:43.44 | thomas_adam | :( there goes brekkie. |
| 00:43.47 | citral | mmm snooker on eurosport is fine |
| 00:43.58 | jsan | is neccessary configure the courrier imap to accept connections with squirreal ?? |
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| 00:44.28 | thomas_adam | Which moment of inspiration lead to squirrelmail depending on apache2? |
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| 00:45.05 | astronut | anyone know a program that can generate a tone of a specified frequency and save it as a wave file? |
| 00:45.06 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: it doesn't. |
| 00:45.11 | nvz | I've been thinking about setting up squirrel mail here, since apt-cacher is the only thing currently making use of the apache box |
| 00:45.14 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: it's apache2 | httpd |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | tiger1020x: is that trooper? |
| 00:45.32 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: Try telling that to my box ---> there. |
| 00:45.48 | dondelelcaro | !depends squirrelmail |
| 00:45.52 | abrotman | astronut: they exist .. for like guitar tuning etc |
| 00:45.54 | dpkg | squirrelmail: depends on apache2 | httpd, libapache2-mod-php4 | php4 | php4-cgi, perl |
| 00:45.58 | astronut | ya... |
| 00:46.03 | astronut | i wrote one to generate tone, but not to wave file |
| 00:46.07 | astronut | audacity can do it looks like |
| 00:46.13 | tiger1020x | trooper what i'm kernel sauders |
| 00:46.18 | thomas_adam | Then this machine is f***ced. |
| 00:46.51 | abrotman | thomas_adam: fucked? |
| 00:47.06 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: now, if you don't have something that provides httpd and php4 (or php4-cgi) it'll try to install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 to satisfy the dependency |
| 00:47.13 | nvz | astronut: making a phone dialer? |
| 00:47.22 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: Nevermind, I fixed it now. |
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| 00:47.37 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: cool. |
| 00:47.48 | jsan | my friends when i try to access webmail whit squirrelmail, return ERROR : Connection dropped by imap-server. , i dont find courrier log, HELP ME? please |
| 00:47.50 | abrotman | !fix thomas_adam |
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| 00:48.06 | abrotman | jsan: check /var/log/messages or syslog |
| 00:48.15 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:48.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 00:48.17 | jsan | a moment abroad |
| 00:48.24 | tiger1020x | can anyone be a pal and mail me all the testing cds for sum cash? |
| 00:48.38 | thomas_adam | tiger1020x: Heh. |
| 00:48.39 | citral | abrotman, a-men. |
| 00:48.44 | abrotman | tiger1020x: get them at work? |
| 00:48.45 | nvz | tiger1020x: anyone could, or you could go buy em online |
| 00:49.07 | dondelelcaro | zero-g cat throwing: http://www.usafa.af.mil/dfp/cockpit-phys/mov/cat.mov |
| 00:49.10 | tiger1020x | work?? i work from home and i'm on dial up |
| 00:49.12 | rich_ | Thanks everyone, bbl |
| 00:49.30 | abrotman | tiger1020x: than order them online i suppose |
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| 00:49.42 | nvz | tiger1020x: goto a college, library, LUG.. etc |
| 00:49.44 | tiger1020x | how much? |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | tiger1020x: yeah .. there's a bunch of LUGs in philly |
| 00:50.16 | thomas_adam | Cool. |
| 00:50.18 | jsan | abrotman, message and syslog dont return error |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | tiger1020x: and a Perl club |
| 00:50.24 | citral | tiger1020x, http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 00:50.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: you eat at Pat's? |
| 00:50.43 | afcpack | dondelelcaro: now that's just mean :) |
| 00:50.44 | tiger1020x | got it |
| 00:50.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: i didn't know you were a philly boy |
| 00:51.02 | deadcat | how $ should i sell osx10.3 3cd set? |
| 00:51.03 | abrotman | (or girl) |
| 00:51.12 | Wyzard | abrotman: nah... I was going to once, on a day trip with a friend, but it was too far away from where we were |
| 00:51.27 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm actually about 45 minutes away from the city, but I go there from time to time |
| 00:51.28 | tiger1020x | oh no..more philly ghetto in here |
| 00:51.31 | astronut | nvz: no, that's dmtf |
| 00:51.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: i work in KoP |
| 00:51.37 | Wyzard | abrotman: Franklin Institute, stuff like that |
| 00:51.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: oh? |
| 00:51.40 | astronut | nvz: it's for a friends psych experiment |
| 00:51.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: So do I :-) |
| 00:51.51 | tiger1020x | abrotman where in philly? |
| 00:51.53 | jsan | abrotman there is other opinion ? |
| 00:51.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: maybe you work in my building :) |
| 00:51.55 | astronut | i would do dtmf in my own program, not in waves |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | jsan: dunno .. try asking #courier |
| 00:52.13 | tiger1020x | ..norristown here |
| 00:52.19 | dondelelcaro | (that clip is from the vomit comet, in case someone was wondering...) |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | tiger1020x: i'm far NW |
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| 00:52.25 | jsan | ok |
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| 00:52.51 | tiger1020x | erie or you mean the city? |
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| 00:53.13 | ryan_ | is there a problem with xserver packages right now? I just restarted and I can't boot into X anymore... I reinstalled my nvidia kernel package, but it still isn't workign -- says it can't load the nvidia kernel module |
| 00:53.17 | abrotman | tiger1020x: i work in KoP |
| 00:53.31 | xinming | anyone here can tell me which soft to differ the package list today with the one in my System |
| 00:53.36 | tiger1020x | shit ur close |
| 00:53.42 | abrotman | !ur |
| 00:53.42 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 00:54.00 | citral | xinming, look at the changelogs |
| 00:54.01 | rookiehwm | whee, debian/mips ain't half bad |
| 00:54.02 | tiger1020x | maybe i'll buy you a round at dirty franks |
| 00:54.02 | rookiehwm | :) |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | tiger1020x: doubt it .. dunno where that is |
| 00:54.28 | xinming | citral: I mean the list which from apt-get update; |
| 00:54.39 | tiger1020x | a block away from south street ...artist-hippie bar |
| 00:54.40 | xinming | citral: where is the changelog located ? |
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| 00:54.50 | citral | xinming, on internet |
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| 00:54.59 | abrotman | tiger1020x: i rarely go to the city to drink |
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| 00:55.16 | Vyrus | how do i make a /dev/"device" i for got the command mk"somthing" |
| 00:55.23 | tiger1020x | well whatever |
| 00:55.34 | nvz | Vyrus: man MAKEDEV |
| 00:55.43 | citral | xinming, either you trust the package manager and upgrade your app, or you go to debian.org and look what changed for this package |
| 00:55.44 | xinming | citral: If I didn't upgrade for 3 days,and I have to read the changelog for every page? |
| 00:55.47 | xinming | Vyrus: mknod |
| 00:55.52 | Vyrus | yea |
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| 00:55.56 | Vyrus | xinming, thanx that was it |
| 00:56.27 | citral | xinming, uh uh, I upgrade every month |
| 00:57.04 | tiger1020x | anyone have alsasound sounding like the chipmunks? |
| 00:57.04 | xinming | citral: No,I don't mean the apt-get upgrade, I mean which software were newly put into apt pool |
| 00:57.12 | ryan_ | anybody have xserver not running at all? |
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| 00:57.25 | thomas_adam | ryan_: Yes. |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | ryan_: yeah . servers |
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| 00:57.45 | nvz | xinming: if you use synaptic, it automatically marks new packages with a start IIRC |
| 00:57.50 | ryan_ | well I mean I just restarted my workstation and Xserver stopped working :) |
| 00:58.05 | thomas_adam | ryan_: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 00:58.06 | afcpack | urg... U2 ipod advert... "one, two, three, fourteen!" |
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| 00:58.15 | l3m_ | i just dist-upgraded my sid and now the font-antialiasing is really ugly... |
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| 00:58.20 | l3m_ | any ideas? |
| 00:58.33 | thomas_adam | l3m_: defoma? |
| 00:58.34 | xinming | nvz: In console. ;-) |
| 00:58.35 | ryan_ | thomas_adam : tells me that the config is invalid No Screens found... Says it can't load the nvidia kernel driver/module |
| 00:58.50 | thomas_adam | !tell ryan_ -about noscreensfound |
| 00:58.54 | xinming | Someone told me there is a soft which can do this,but I really don't know which one it is. |
| 00:59.04 | tiger1020x | why does upgrading to qt-mt make your computer look like you work at a doctors office? |
| 00:59.05 | thomas_adam | ryan_: And as you're using nvidia -- ask in #nvidia |
| 00:59.18 | ryan_ | thomas_adam : thanks -- i think I did say YES to the framebuffer Q when it came up |
| 00:59.37 | l3m_ | thomas_adam: what about defoma? .. there IS aa, but it just looks different and uglier as before.. |
| 00:59.39 | ryan_ | I just did an apt-get upgrade today for the first time in a week |
| 00:59.47 | thomas_adam | l3m_: Right. |
| 01:00.00 | thomas_adam | ryan_: I haven't done mine in months. |
| 01:00.31 | citral | when it works, why mess it up... |
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| 01:00.39 | jetscreamer | boredom |
| 01:00.50 | l3m_ | thomas_adam: could you please be a bit more verbose, i really don't get what you're trying to tell me :( |
| 01:00.51 | csy | is there any program that installs all mail shizzle postfix, courier, imap, smtp/pop3 whatever, i have one for apache/php/mysql etc. |
| 01:00.58 | citral | of course for servers on woody there are security upgrades |
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| 01:01.16 | tiger1020x | teu.. i don't bother unles it's security related......if i do upgrade the gui i customized goes to shit |
| 01:01.35 | xinming | anyone else here can tell me which app is used for displaying new package were added into apt pool? |
| 01:01.36 | thomas_adam | l3m_: Well, what? Jolly good, I'd say. Must be a PEBAK issue, what? |
| 01:01.42 | phigan | thomas_adam: Oh really? |
| 01:01.47 | phigan | damn I hadn't thought of reading the documentation |
| 01:01.53 | phigan | OH WAIT |
| 01:01.53 | ryan_ | thomas_adam : i just ran the dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and there was no frame buffer question -- different from the dpkg msg you sent me |
| 01:01.54 | phigan | yes I had! |
| 01:02.00 | phigan | And it didn't say anything about that in there! |
| 01:02.08 | phigan | SO I guess that's why I'm asking in here, huh?! |
| 01:02.10 | thomas_adam | ryan_: You wouldn't be telling porkies now, would you? |
| 01:02.19 | ryan_ | porkies? |
| 01:02.23 | thomas_adam | phigan: /ignore |
| 01:02.30 | phigan | thomas_adam: I give a shit! |
| 01:02.37 | thomas_adam | ryan_: "porkie pies" == lies. (slang) |
| 01:02.40 | phigan | thomas_adam: You were a jerk to begin with, ignoring me is doing me a favor. |
| 01:02.43 | ryan_ | no i'm not |
| 01:02.47 | ryan_ | i just ran it and it doesn't say |
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| 01:03.12 | thomas_adam | ryan_: Ask in #nvidia, after you examine your /var/log/XFree86.0.log file. |
| 01:03.34 | tnks | all right. . . I decided to return that Sony Vaio. . . and get a Thinkpad instead. . . |
| 01:03.46 | ryan_ | well what in the debian packages is trashing my nvidia kernel module package? |
| 01:03.48 | phigan | tnks: Good choice |
| 01:03.55 | thoreauputic | phigan: thomas_adam's rather too knowledgeable to be labelled a jerk, really |
| 01:04.02 | tnks | I don't know if anybody who was helping me is still on-line. . . but thanks to you all. . . |
| 01:04.05 | citral | phigan, mmm you are trying to say that the doc of oidentd doesn't explain how to use it... |
| 01:04.19 | phigan | thoreauputic: He didn't know that oidentd's documentation didn't include what I asked about. Can't be THAT knowledgable |
| 01:04.29 | tnks | by the way, are there any other companies that are a good alternative to the Thinkpads? |
| 01:04.39 | thomas_adam | tnks: What is it you're after? |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | i like thinkpad |
| 01:04.53 | abrotman | nvz: you don't like your vaio do you? |
| 01:05.04 | phigan | tnks: Thinkpad's are the best. But I hear Toshiba's and Dell's don't have much of a problem |
| 01:05.09 | thomas_adam | I've heard mixed opinions about the Vaio. |
| 01:05.13 | phigan | I hear -some- vaio's are good for linux, but not all |
| 01:05.15 | tnks | phigan: that's kind of what I hear too. |
| 01:05.20 | l3m_ | thomas_adam: thanks for the insult. i appreciate your trying to help me, but just "defoma" doesn't really help. there's loads of settings that defoma can change, and i don't really know which ones are the problem... |
| 01:05.30 | ryan_ | I have everything running on my Thinkpad T21 -- I haven't tested the modem though |
| 01:05.32 | citral | vaio are toys, not computers |
| 01:06.00 | tnks | My experience with Vaios is that they're probably like Dells, only with a fancy shell and a cult following. |
| 01:06.00 | thomas_adam | l3m_: Try another tack -- take a screenshot. |
| 01:06.00 | phigan | citral: You must be as knowledgable as thomas_adam |
| 01:06.11 | phigan | tnks: Certain models of vaio's are very linux friendly |
| 01:06.19 | thomas_adam | l3m_: It could be your font listings, and nothing more. |
| 01:06.20 | tnks | But when you're on Linux, that cult following disappears. . . and the fancy shell begins to look more flimsy. . . |
| 01:06.23 | phigan | or, linux is friendly to certain models of vaios, I should say |
| 01:06.24 | citral | phigan, if you can't read the doc, search on google pal |
| 01:06.43 | deadcat | vaio are the worst crap ever!@ |
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| 01:06.55 | Guerin | tnks: and a memory stick slot which only sony fanboiz would ever use, because sony cameras are toys too |
| 01:06.55 | phigan | citral: Note in my msg to thoreauputic, the documentation doesn't include what I asked about |
| 01:06.55 | tnks | phigan: my Vaio (S260) ended up being support about as well as new technology gets supported. |
| 01:06.56 | citral | !tell phigan -about order |
| 01:07.09 | phigan | citral: DOne, done, done, done, done, and done |
| 01:07.10 | tnks | It needed a few patches, but really. . . what doesn't? |
| 01:07.14 | phigan | citral: quit being a jerk |
| 01:07.26 | phigan | citral: Obviously, you don't know the answer |
| 01:07.28 | citral | phigan, quit being so agressive. |
| 01:07.41 | Guerin | phigan: the other thing you might consider doing is behaving like you're entitled to something. |
| 01:07.42 | citral | I never said I know the answer. |
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| 01:08.04 | phigan | Guerin: Hey, I asked a question like everyone else. I didn't deserve to be treated that way. |
| 01:08.07 | Guerin | phigan: if you're so much GDMF smarter than everyone else, piss off and find the answer yourself. |
| 01:08.25 | phigan | citral: Well you weren't helping. What was your goal? |
| 01:08.44 | phigan | Guerin: No problemo, jerkface! |
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| 01:09.24 | Guerin | phigan: go on, then. We're waiting. |
| 01:09.39 | citral | !coconuts phigan |
| 01:09.40 | dpkg | Are you suggesting coconuts migrate, phigan? |
| 01:09.41 | phigan | Guerin: You're waiting on me? |
| 01:09.51 | thoreauputic | phigan: the order factoid should probably include a recommendation to read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" |
| 01:09.58 | l3m_ | thomas_adam: screenlooks looks identical to screen ( what a surprise :) ) , i ran defoma-reconfigure, the problem is still here.. |
| 01:10.16 | phigan | thoreauputic: Dude, I asked a question, everyone responded like jerks. |
| 01:10.32 | thomas_adam | l3m_: That wasn't what I was meaning. I meant for you to take a screenshot, upload it somewhere for me to see it, so I can get an idea wtf you're on about. |
| 01:10.33 | phigan | thoreauputic: If they knew the answer, they would've answered with it |
| 01:10.40 | Guerin | phigan: yeah, waiting for you to go and find it yourself, like you said you would. |
| 01:10.44 | thoreauputic | phigan: and how do you think your behaviour is being perceived? |
| 01:10.49 | citral | phigan, we told you really polite to read the doc. |
| 01:10.53 | phigan | Guerin: Shouldn't you possibly.. get a life? |
| 01:10.58 | phigan | citral: No, you really didn't |
| 01:11.04 | Guerin | phigan: I have one already, actually. |
| 01:11.05 | phigan | citral: but that's ok |
| 01:11.17 | phigan | Guerin: Waiting for me to find answers isn't a life for you. |
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| 01:11.23 | phigan | Guerin: Perhaps you should explore other alternatives. |
| 01:11.32 | Guerin | phigan: I was actually waiting for you to FUCK OFF AND DIE. |
| 01:11.40 | phigan | Guerin: And I care why? |
| 01:11.42 | Guerin | but I can do other things while I wait. |
| 01:11.50 | phigan | Don't let me stop you. |
| 01:12.18 | phigan | thoreauputic: My behavior is a direct result of jerks. |
| 01:12.25 | zignig | phigan: that kind of attitude won't get you any help. |
| 01:12.35 | phigan | thoreauputic: Maybe some people should think twice before bringing this sort of annoyance upon themselves :) |
| 01:12.56 | phigan | zignig: I have already abandoned hope for help from this channel, as asking a question resulted in jerk-like responses |
| 01:12.58 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I've really not been paying attention, but is he really just going on and on about #277883 and #277874 ? |
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| 01:13.22 | mwilson | thomas_adam: You'd really think that an unstable user would pay attention to what packages were being updated. |
| 01:13.39 | Guerin | phigan: since you've abandoned hope, please just abandon. |
| 01:13.42 | thomas_adam | mwilson: He might be. I'm not sure... |
| 01:13.43 | l3m_ | thomas_adam: http://lagerhalle.l3m.org/uglyfonts.png |
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| 01:13.52 | citral | phigan, I will prove you that you are a moron. http://linuxreviews.org/man/oidentd.conf/ |
| 01:13.54 | phigan | Guerin: Suck my balls, and suck my balls. |
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| 01:13.59 | thoreauputic | phigan: I see, so your rudeness is justified by your perception that otheres are being jerks - interesting. You will have a pleasant life |
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| 01:14.03 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Yep, that's what he's whining about. |
| 01:14.09 | citral | CAPABILITIES |
| 01:14.09 | citral | spoof |
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| 01:14.10 | thomas_adam | l3m_: Read what mwilson just said to me. Do the bug numbers relate to what you're asking? |
| 01:14.11 | citral | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.14 | citral | etc |
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| 01:14.25 | phigan | zigong__: You did. Very nice. |
| 01:14.28 | phigan | .. |
| 01:14.28 | Guerin | phigan: seen http://www.mandrakehelp.com/identd-HOWTO-5.html |
| 01:14.31 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:14.33 | phigan | citral: You did, very nice |
| 01:14.48 | phigan | citral: Thank you, as well. |
| 01:14.51 | Guerin | phigan: and perhaos you'd like to repeat that statement to one of our friendly ops. |
| 01:15.02 | zignig | Guerin: hehe. |
| 01:15.06 | [SaC]Comrade | initech i will use pdmenu for the other users.. they will have this menu on login.. is there atrick they can use to 'go around' this and use standard login? |
| 01:15.13 | jetscreamer | imo citral instigated this, but phigan should never have responded so |
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| 01:15.22 | phigan | citral also helped |
| 01:15.23 | citral | phigan, no problem. |
| 01:15.24 | phigan | so its all good. |
| 01:15.26 | thomas_adam | To my eyes the fonts look OK, but then I don't use any of that font-AA nonsense. |
| 01:15.28 | nevyn | anyone know of something decent to draw organisational diagrams in? |
| 01:15.35 | thomas_adam | nevyn: dia |
| 01:15.39 | Guerin | phigan: did you see the link I gave you? |
| 01:15.42 | citral | yeah dia |
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| 01:16.16 | zignig | nevyn: or dotty if you have the relationships in digital form already. |
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| 01:16.17 | mwilson | l3m_: Well? |
| 01:16.21 | nevyn | thomas_adam: just using assorted or is there a template set for buisness roles with nice people/department boxes |
| 01:16.33 | pmwilson | how do i look at the dependencies of a specific .deb file (like one I downloaded from somewhere) without attempting to install it, etc. |
| 01:16.34 | phigan | Guerin: yes, but I was looking for information on oidentd specifically. Thank you, regardless. |
| 01:16.37 | l3m_ | mwilson: might be the problem, i just finished reading the bug reports... |
| 01:16.44 | thomas_adam | nevyn: There are templates in dia which will suit your needs. Partly a mix from UML and general flowcharting. |
| 01:16.47 | Guerin | phigan: You said you'd googled. You lied. |
| 01:17.00 | citral | phigan, first hit on google :| |
| 01:17.00 | phigan | Guerin: I did. I didn't google properly, obviously |
| 01:17.05 | jetscreamer | compare search strings |
| 01:17.10 | citral | yeah that's possible |
| 01:17.12 | Guerin | phigan: that is the FIRST FUCKING LINK that comes up when you google oidentd+spoofing+howto |
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| 01:17.13 | afcpack | l3m_: looks fine to me... |
| 01:17.29 | pmwilson | nevyn: dia does have some annoyances... like don't hit the del key while editing a string in an object, or the object is deleted |
| 01:17.31 | phigan | i searched for oidentd and spoof |
| 01:17.32 | jetscreamer | heh least you didn't drop that R guerin |
| 01:17.40 | phigan | Guerin: Didn't have anything in there about it |
| 01:17.41 | citral | phigan, I just pasted your question... ident spoofs with oidentd |
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| 01:18.18 | l3m_ | afcpack: well it looked better before :) |
| 01:18.22 | phigan | Guerin: it talks about oidentd.users, which for some reason has no effect in mine |
| 01:18.46 | pmwilson | how do i check/list the dependencies of a .deb file? |
| 01:18.56 | dondelelcaro | pmwilson: dpkg-deb -I foo.deb |
| 01:19.00 | mwilson | I don't see all that much "wrong" with that screenshot, other than the usual KDE ugliness, but you've definately got the autohinter enabled. The vertical and horizontal strokes make that clear. |
| 01:19.04 | dondelelcaro | pmwilson: man dpkg-deb; |
| 01:19.10 | initech | pmwilson: apt-cache depends blah |
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| 01:19.29 | pmwilson | dondelelcaro: yeah, that's what I was looking for. i forgot about dpkg-deb |
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| 01:20.03 | Guerin | phigan: and the documentation makes no mention of oidentd.users? |
| 01:20.03 | phigan | according to oidentd's website, /etc/oidentd.spoof with user:reply should work as well, but it doesn't |
| 01:20.04 | l3m_ | mwilson, thomas_adam: thanks, that solved the problem!! |
| 01:20.09 | phigan | i'm about to try the oidentd.conf method |
| 01:20.16 | phigan | Guerin: yes it does, but it doesn't work for me |
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| 01:21.10 | perdido_n0_espa | oi hi hello!!! |
| 01:21.13 | Guerin | phigan: I see you've decided to stop being a roaaring fucktard now. |
| 01:21.22 | mwilson | l3m_: Please post to one or the other of the bugs, then, to assist in convincing the maintainer. |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | perdido_n0_espa: /topic |
| 01:21.38 | citral | phigan, there is probably a lig you could check in /var/log/, help yourself a little bit |
| 01:21.45 | citral | s/lig/log/ |
| 01:21.50 | l3m_ | mwilson: ok, i'll try :) |
| 01:22.17 | phigan | Guerin: That's what happens when you get to normal conversation |
| 01:22.50 | abrotman | !helixplayer |
| 01:22.50 | dpkg | well, helixplayer is https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ |
| 01:22.52 | abrotman | helix: sorry |
| 01:22.54 | tictac | Nosf3ratu: yo |
| 01:22.57 | phigan | citral: i haven't run oidentd with debug information, that's about all i haven't checked yet |
| 01:23.10 | jorgp_ | anyone using svn? |
| 01:23.13 | citral | phigan, logs have nothing to do with debug |
| 01:23.15 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 01:23.15 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:23.27 | thomas_adam | jorgp_: Lots of people. #svn cerrtainly do. |
| 01:23.29 | phigan | citral: no but there's no indication in the logs of why oidentd.users isn't working |
| 01:23.41 | phigan | citral: there's no indication why it doesn't work in inetd either. |
| 01:23.46 | phigan | everything else works in inetd |
| 01:23.56 | jetscreamer | jorgp_, svn is deprecated, use paper instead |
| 01:24.04 | jorgp_ | thanks guys |
| 01:24.07 | jetscreamer | np |
| 01:24.10 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:24.10 | phigan | I just haven't had that much time to worry about identd |
| 01:24.29 | thomas_adam | Is that an excuse? |
| 01:24.33 | thomas_adam | I can't quite hear it... |
| 01:24.35 | citral | phigan, there are some apps that require you to set up an entry in inetd to work |
| 01:25.08 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 01:25.08 | dpkg | cheesesteak is probably http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak, or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 01:25.19 | phigan | citral: Yeh, and have a -i line to be run from inetd, etc |
| 01:25.32 | thomas_adam | abrotman: It's not time for breakfast yet, let alone that. Mmmm, chocolate porridge for breakfast.... |
| 01:25.42 | abrotman | wtf is oggvorbissdk .. and why does helixplayer need it |
| 01:25.42 | phigan | err argument |
| 01:25.45 | abrotman | helix: sorry |
| 01:25.56 | abrotman | thomas_adam: cocoa puffs? |
| 01:26.10 | thomas_adam | abrotman: No, porridge. |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | yeah .. like mushy cocoa puffs :) |
| 01:26.25 | citral | thomas_adam, wtf? isn'it 03:25 in your town too? |
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| 01:26.37 | Airox | Evening |
| 01:26.41 | thomas_adam | citral: 02:26 |
| 01:26.44 | Guerin | morning |
| 01:26.52 | Airox | ah indeed, morning.. |
| 01:26.53 | afcpack | local Kroger pulled all the British food... except the Heinz Beans |
| 01:27.09 | Airox | I'm drunk |
| 01:27.10 | citral | but england is on greenwich... |
| 01:27.10 | Airox | (-: |
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| 01:27.41 | muhoo | a friend of mine wants to try out sarge d-i. where can i get install cdrom's/floppies for him? |
| 01:27.43 | thomas_adam | citral: No, I'm still on BST -- the clocks have yet to change. |
| 01:28.00 | thomas_adam | muhoo: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:28.01 | citral | ah |
| 01:28.03 | thoreauputic | !tell muhoo about d-i |
| 01:28.06 | muhoo | thomas_adam: thx |
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| 01:28.58 | l3m_ | mwilson: upon further reading of the bugreport, it seems that the maintainer already agreed to turn off autohinting by default |
| 01:29.09 | Sandman | Is it better for a hdd to just stay on all teh time, or spin up for 16 hours and spin down for 8? |
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| 01:29.15 | Sandman | every day |
| 01:29.27 | abrotman | thomas_adam: mushy cocoa puffs! |
| 01:29.37 | thomas_adam | abrotman: Heh. |
| 01:29.45 | abrotman | Sandman: depends on what you're doing with it . and what it was engineered for don't you think? |
| 01:29.52 | Airox | Don't you people ever get some sleep ??? |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | Sandman: if it's not a server .. i shut it down |
| 01:30.05 | afcpack | sleep is for the weak |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | and the tired |
| 01:30.16 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:30.22 | Guerin | and the lazy |
| 01:30.23 | Airox | No sleep makes you weak and tired... |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | oh.. and those that have just gotten laid |
| 01:30.33 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:30.37 | citral | IRC is for the lazy too... |
| 01:30.38 | Airox | Hmm, gotta sleep then.. |
| 01:30.40 | mwilson | l3m_: The maintainer has stated he's going to further screw up the configuration handling. It doesn't need "defaults", it needs to actually do what the user tells it to do. |
| 01:30.41 | afcpack | time for bed, then ;) |
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| 01:30.44 | csy | is there any program that installs all mail shizzle postfix, courier, imap, smtp/pop3 whatever, i have one for apache/php/mysql etc. |
| 01:30.45 | Guerin | maybe that's why lots of #debianites don't sleep... |
| 01:31.01 | citral | or the too-tired-too-think-or-work |
| 01:31.02 | Airox | hehe |
| 01:31.03 | thomas_adam | csy: apt-get |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | Guerin: autoeroticism doesn't count |
| 01:31.06 | mwilson | l3m_: In other words, the package shouldn't be deciding whether to turn it on or not, it should continue to ASK, and then act on that. |
| 01:31.16 | Airox | apt-get install gurls |
| 01:31.17 | Guerin | abrotman: my question stands |
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| 01:31.23 | csy | gurls? |
| 01:31.25 | Guerin | s/question/speculation/ |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | and wtf is oggvorbissdk? |
| 01:31.31 | Airox | Sorry, i'm drunk. |
| 01:31.36 | Airox | girls.. |
| 01:31.36 | csy | right. |
| 01:31.44 | vithos | I am experiencing long delays when connecting to proftpd on debian from a windows box over IPv4 LAN. I think it may have something to do with IPv6 but I don't know what to do about it! |
| 01:31.46 | csy | .. |
| 01:31.48 | Guerin | abrotman: sounds like a bullshit name for vorbis tools and dev libs |
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| 01:31.49 | l3m_ | mwilson: hmm, sounds reasonable :) |
| 01:31.56 | abrotman | Guerin: ask helixplayer |
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| 01:31.59 | abrotman | helix: sorry |
| 01:32.01 | phigan | citral: Thanks again. |
| 01:32.14 | mwilson | vithos: Why would you think it had something to do with IPv6? |
| 01:32.27 | Airox | Yeah... |
| 01:32.30 | vithos | mwilson: from some failed attempts to solve the problem by googling |
| 01:32.31 | Guerin | vithos: what windows client are you using? |
| 01:32.34 | Sandman | abrotman: Everything in life is relative, yes. So I'll give more info: It's a 2.5" HDD in a laptop |
| 01:32.40 | csy | thomas_adam: just out of interest, what wud u suggest i use for pop3, imap, and smtp? |
| 01:32.49 | Guerin | Sandman: it wants to be on as little as possible |
| 01:32.49 | vithos | it happens with many different FTP clients on windows. Filezilla and SmartFTP to name a few |
| 01:32.54 | citral | vithos, if it's XP, did you deactivate the firewall? I heard about lot of troubles with ftp from that |
| 01:32.55 | Sandman | abrotman: Because the platters are smaller, will it therefore be less wearing on the hdd to stop and start all the time? |
| 01:33.00 | Airox | csy: smtp and imap |
| 01:33.01 | mwilson | vithos: Far more likely that your Debian box is trying to reverse the Windows box, and failing. |
| 01:33.03 | thomas_adam | csy: Why would you use pop3 if you're using imap? |
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| 01:33.06 | [SaC]Comrade | is it needed/ok to deny all users (not manualy added users) from sshd access? |
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| 01:33.25 | csy | because i generally use pop3 for outlook and imap for any webmail |
| 01:33.29 | Airox | [SaC]Comrade: that depends on how paranoide you are.. |
| 01:33.31 | vithos | I'll try disabling the firewall and then check the reverse DNS |
| 01:33.33 | csy | + clients usually prefer pop |
| 01:33.35 | Guerin | [SaC]Comrade: leave it open for one user, in case you haave to administer remotely. |
| 01:33.43 | Shmecher | how do i view my proceccor type? |
| 01:33.52 | Airox | [SaC]Comrade: You could use the option to give file with it when connecting.. |
| 01:33.55 | citral | Shmecher, /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:33.59 | [SaC]Comrade | guerin several users will have access but those are added manual |
| 01:34.08 | mwilson | Hm libpaperg goes away? |
| 01:34.09 | Guerin | [SaC]Comrade: perfectly sensible. |
| 01:34.11 | mwilson | Interesting. |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | Sandman: you justify it however you want |
| 01:34.17 | Airox | vithos: Just set the outbound connection on port 53 open... |
| 01:34.20 | vithos | aha, it was the firewall doing it! thank you citral |
| 01:34.20 | Airox | That would do... |
| 01:34.30 | citral | fucking XP |
| 01:34.34 | vithos | indeed. |
| 01:34.44 | Airox | Operating systems don't fuck. |
| 01:34.45 | [SaC]Comrade | caus i don't know if anyone logs in with deamon for example and its pwd it will login.. right? |
| 01:34.54 | Guerin | Airox: you're drunk. |
| 01:35.03 | Airox | Yes. |
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| 01:35.11 | Guerin | [SaC]Comrade: ? |
| 01:35.16 | vithos | I'd install debian on this box if I thought I could figure out how to do software RAID-0, but that's for another day |
| 01:35.21 | vithos | thanks again guys/gals :D |
| 01:35.34 | Sandman | abrotman: You know, if you didn't want to help you could've simply not said anything =) |
| 01:35.36 | [SaC]Comrade | the users that are in /etc/passwd |
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| 01:35.45 | nevyn | citral: I know the feeling. |
| 01:35.52 | thomas_adam | csy: I'd recommend you don't /msg me. |
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| 01:36.10 | Airox | I hate girls. They aren't willing to touch me... |
| 01:36.13 | Guerin | [SaC]Comrade: logins are recorded in auth.log |
| 01:36.16 | thomas_adam | csy: But to answer your question, if you want to install something that requires no brains on your part, use exim. |
| 01:36.25 | Guerin | Airox: you poor, sad lamer |
| 01:36.31 | csy | sorry but i cant read a fucking thing in here theres about 4 other people asking other questions |
| 01:36.41 | csy | exim = pop3&smtp? |
| 01:36.45 | thomas_adam | csy: You'll get used to it. |
| 01:36.51 | Airox | exim = smtp |
| 01:36.56 | abrotman | Sandman: i did help .. there's no scientific answer |
| 01:37.19 | thomas_adam | csy: I just use null-mailers, exim and fetchmail with imap, so..... |
| 01:37.27 | Guerin | csy: so did you guys reform without graham nash, or something? |
| 01:37.33 | Airox | csy: Use something like courier for imap or pop. |
| 01:37.43 | thomas_adam | dovecot. |
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| 01:38.12 | Redz | Is dovecot any good? |
| 01:38.23 | citral | nevyn, and to be honnest, I cannot really pretend working in an industrial or service environment without a mininmum knowledge about windows admin :/ |
| 01:38.55 | thomas_adam | Redz: Ask a question. |
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| 01:39.37 | Airox | I'm examening my firewall logs. And i see a lot of ip's that resolve to a hostname with my isp's domain in it. Are you guys also experiencing this ?? |
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| 01:40.07 | Redz | Ive been using cyrus & have found it fast and stable. Just wondering why you would use dovecot over cyrus? |
| 01:40.16 | mwilson | Airox: No, I can pretty much guarantee you that we're not seeing your ISP's domain in our logs. |
| 01:40.25 | Airox | Strange.. |
| 01:40.36 | mwilson | You think we should be? |
| 01:41.00 | citral | Airox, your isp just look if you're still connected |
| 01:41.12 | dan2 | thomas_adam: gnite |
| 01:41.20 | thomas_adam | dan2: Umm, sleep well. |
| 01:41.20 | Airox | Is it normal to get lots of different ip's and hosts then ? |
| 01:41.22 | mwilson | I'd be more than a little concerned if I was seeing wanadoo.nl in mine, since I think I've got their netblock blacklisted. |
| 01:41.27 | dan2 | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 01:41.33 | Airox | mwilson: wanadoo :o |
| 01:41.45 | Airox | That's the isp i'm using and is getting in my logs.. |
| 01:41.48 | mwilson | If I don't, I need to. |
| 01:41.54 | Airox | Lot's of lines... |
| 01:42.18 | asuffield | gah, who bothers to read that kind of shit these days? if you don't get a few worm hits per hour, your internet connection is down |
| 01:42.27 | citral | Airox, you are aware that every single machine on the net is scanned a lot of time per day? |
| 01:42.33 | Xenguy | Hi, I have a bind9/named question: I have recently begun to see recurring log entries like this: "named[4727]: enforced delegation-only for 'com' (ns1.metrolink.com/A/IN) from 192.48.79.30#53" <-- can anyone help me understand what this means (I have googled but I seem to be missing some DNS knowledge that would allow me to 'get it') ? |
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| 01:43.03 | Airox | citral: Well i found it rather weird that my isp is like 90% of the dropped packets... |
| 01:43.12 | Airox | And all with different hostnames.. |
| 01:43.18 | Airox | almost.. |
| 01:43.44 | asuffield | so your ISP has a lot of infested customers. that's not surprising, wanadoo is the ISP for morons |
| 01:44.30 | Airox | Yes it is. |
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| 01:44.55 | tcsetattr | they know they're a pit of spam and worminess, but they don't wana doo anything about it |
| 01:45.06 | citral | Airox, are you running apache or any public service? |
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| 01:45.14 | Airox | Yes. |
| 01:45.51 | abrotman | it would appear that some idiot working at real decided that libvorbis-dev should be at c:\oggvorbissdk with the linux player |
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| 01:46.53 | Guerin | abrotman: that in itself is enough reason for me to not use it |
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| 01:47.26 | uber_fish | hi |
| 01:47.36 | Airox | Hello |
| 01:47.39 | cmartine | anyone know what kernel you need to mount 1 terabyte disk |
| 01:47.49 | cmartine | ive tried w/ 2.4.18 |
| 01:47.57 | Yannick_ | i'm looking for sarge iso images, I found this? what iso should I get, not all 14 images, can't be....http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ |
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| 01:48.19 | citral | Yannick_, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:48.20 | holycow | lol |
| 01:48.27 | holycow | oh man, mplayer movie.bin |
| 01:48.39 | holycow | mplayer reads bin files, neat |
| 01:48.46 | Yannick_ | ok thanks citral |
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| 01:48.50 | uber_fish | cmartine: are you sure your filesystem can handle 1 terabyte? |
| 01:49.01 | Guerin | holycow: you realise it's just a mpeg file renamed to .bin, don't you? |
| 01:49.21 | holycow | lets check |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | Guerin: well .. i can't figure out waht this vorbissdk is |
| 01:49.26 | Airox | lol |
| 01:49.27 | cmartine | does that mean it cant be ext2fs? |
| 01:49.48 | cmartine | i cant mke2fs on a single terabyte , keeps crashing |
| 01:49.51 | citral | Airox, seeing the kind of service you are running, I wouldn't be surprised that some morons are trying bruteforce on your site |
| 01:50.14 | dondelelcaro | cmartine: 2.4.18 should be able to mount a >1T disk. |
| 01:50.38 | Airox | citral: Let them try.. |
| 01:50.40 | Guerin | abrotman: I've never heard of it. you should post a sarcastic message to their list asking when they'll supply us with this mystical sdk, and why they're releasing something which depends on vaporware |
| 01:50.52 | uber_fish | cmartine i would recomend trying it with ext3fs it has a max at 4tb |
| 01:50.53 | Airox | cmartine: ext3 would let you allow to have a size of 4tb |
| 01:50.56 | Guerin | abrotman: it might be a fun troll |
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| 01:51.08 | abrotman | Guerin: heh |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | Guerin: or i'm an idiot |
| 01:51.18 | uber_fish | airox: nice |
| 01:51.35 | Airox | :/ |
| 01:51.41 | Airox | Sorry.. |
| 01:51.44 | glick | hey when you install firefox doesnt it come with any icons |
| 01:51.45 | glick | ? |
| 01:51.48 | glick | and where would they be |
| 01:52.05 | uber_fish | glick: how did you install it? |
| 01:52.06 | abrotman | icons where? |
| 01:52.08 | nvz | glick: /usr/share/ in either pixmaps/ or icons/ most likely |
| 01:52.09 | abrotman | and which wm |
| 01:52.12 | Guerin | glick: icons live in /usr/share/(pixmaps|icons) |
| 01:52.17 | dondelelcaro | cmartine: it's possible that you need a newer version of ext2fstools |
| 01:52.18 | Airox | (-: |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | which for damn wm? |
| 01:52.42 | Xenguy | glick: try this as root -> updatedb && locate firefox |grep -i png <-- or xpm instead of png |
| 01:52.54 | Guerin | glick: but the non-official firefox packages don't have the firefox logo etc - the art is non-free |
| 01:53.00 | nvz | glick: if you installed the 1.0 binaries instead of the debian package, then the icons are in whatever dir you installed to |
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| 01:53.15 | Xenguy | So no one has any ideas on my DNS log question above? |
| 01:53.17 | glick | nah i instaled the debian package |
| 01:53.57 | glick | kde |
| 01:53.58 | nvz | I got 1.0PR installed in /usr/local/firefox-1.0PR/ and thats where my icons are, I just linked the binary to /usr/local/bin/ |
| 01:54.11 | cmartine | ext2fstools? humm.. wont apt-get update/upgrade catch the latest? |
| 01:54.32 | __add__ | OK I'm pretty confused. very confused. |
| 01:54.39 | __add__ | About......... |
| 01:54.44 | Airox | ... |
| 01:54.48 | dondelelcaro | cmartine: if you're using stable, the lastest might not be new enough. |
| 01:54.58 | dondelelcaro | cmartine: but I'm pretty sure it should have supported FS up to 4T in size. |
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| 01:55.11 | glick | i used apt-get to install firefox |
| 01:55.25 | Airox | nn people! |
| 01:55.40 | cmartine | I installed a custom kernel on a dellpoweredge 2650 |
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| 01:56.29 | cmartine | is there something perhaps that requires the kernel to mount 1 TB filesystem? |
| 01:56.39 | nvz | cmartine: its the user version thats wrong then ;) |
| 01:56.42 | dondelelcaro | cmartine: which kernel are you using? |
| 01:56.48 | __add__ | okay......i know this is a hard question for you all but I want to verify 100% that hda1, 2, 3, 4 correspond to C:, E:, F:, and H respectively. How do I do this? |
| 01:56.52 | cmartine | 2.4.18 custom |
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| 01:57.08 | __add__ | matching up by MB does not work |
| 01:57.49 | pmwilson | __add__: model numbers? or serial numbers? |
| 01:57.56 | citral | __add__, hum, this is not #windows |
| 01:58.03 | __add__ | pmwilson, they are partitions |
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| 01:58.20 | __add__ | citral, but I have to ask here. :) |
| 01:58.38 | dondelelcaro | cmartine: if you're going to bother to build a custom kernel, you'll want 2.4.27 anyway. |
| 01:58.50 | __add__ | and #windows is not a good channel anyway |
| 01:59.04 | __add__ | I REALLY have to check anyway |
| 01:59.09 | citral | __add__, the linux tree is VERY different from windows, you cannot speak about C: F: etc, but about / , /home etc |
| 01:59.11 | pmwilson | __add__: heh... right. i didn't read it closely enough. use fdisk or partition magic in windows to see how they are allocated |
| 01:59.14 | dondelelcaro | __add__: this has nothing whatsoever to do with #debian. |
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| 01:59.27 | dondelelcaro | __add__: and no, they don't necessarily corespond at all. |
| 02:00.18 | pmwilson | __add__: and then when you are back in linux, you can use fdisk again to check the allocations and match them up to the partition numbers |
| 02:01.01 | pmwilson | __add__: what format are they? if its something you can read under linux... just mount them all and look at the contents (and add a file the root of each one naming them) |
| 02:01.20 | __add__ | pmwilson, will do. thank you. |
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| 02:02.36 | citral | pmwilson, yes I understand what you want now, you could simply mount them with names like c; e; f; etc. if it's more clear for you |
| 02:02.59 | nvz | in your home dir for that matter |
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| 02:03.30 | abrotman | this is too confusing .. a mwilson and pmwilson |
| 02:03.43 | citral | they are clones :D |
| 02:03.46 | mwilson | ^_^ |
| 02:03.48 | mwilson | Hardly. |
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| 02:04.47 | pmcitral | allez bonne nuit |
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| 02:05.43 | tcsetattr | typedef mwilson *pmwilson; |
| 02:05.52 | __add__ | be right back |
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| 02:07.10 | Guerin | diff -u mwilson pmwilson |
| 02:07.15 | Guerin | nope |
| 02:07.17 | Guerin | no difference |
| 02:07.42 | mwilson | I'm nicer. |
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| 02:07.59 | afcpack | mwilson: that's a scary thought :) |
| 02:09.07 | pmwilson | hmm. |
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| 02:09.18 | coywolf | are there any secure ftp server? |
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| 02:10.02 | Guerin | !ftp |
| 02:10.02 | dpkg | [ftp] (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 02:10.17 | Guerin | coywolf: which one of those three do you mean by "secure" |
| 02:10.37 | coywolf | Guerin, the sftp connects to |
| 02:11.09 | Guerin | coywolf: proftpd can be run with encryption, a bunch of others can too. |
| 02:11.12 | mwilson | I used to run MS-DOS 5 on my firewall machine... confused people no end. |
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| 02:11.25 | marinka | can anyone help me. i have a problem with xserver or kdm - not sure - on my laptop - it worked allright for some time but now when it loads it doesnt recognize the keyboard. if i point mouse to 'console login' and press, the keyboard works in console and if i restart kdm it also works. but i have to do it almost EVERY time i turn the laptop on. does anyone know that's the matter? |
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| 02:12.08 | coywolf | Guerin, can proftpd be forced with encryption? |
| 02:12.15 | Guerin | coywolf: yes. |
| 02:12.40 | coywolf | Guerin, can windows IE connect to it? |
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| 02:12.48 | abrotman | marinka: bts say anything/ |
| 02:12.49 | abrotman | > |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | ? |
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| 02:13.05 | Guerin | coywolf: I doubt it, because I doubt ie supports sftp |
| 02:13.14 | marinka | hjbjjjjjjbhj |
| 02:13.18 | Guerin | coywolf: but if it can, then it can. |
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| 02:13.52 | UberNewb | Guerin: Guerin what was the name of that firefox extension you like? |
| 02:13.55 | Guerin | marinka: echo "false" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 02:14.03 | Guerin | UberNewb: compact menu |
| 02:14.15 | coywolf | Guerin, i want to share with my friends some data, i need security. what's the best sulution? they use windows |
| 02:14.31 | ideafix | is there ant download manager that lets you dl the same file from fifrent mirrors and put it back together ? |
| 02:14.32 | UberNewb | here you go: http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=26 |
| 02:14.32 | Guerin | coywolf: tell them to use filezilla |
| 02:14.36 | coywolf | Guerin, they should upload files to me |
| 02:14.41 | UberNewb | a version that should work with 0.10.1 |
| 02:14.44 | coywolf | Guerin, k |
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| 02:15.02 | zakame | hi again |
| 02:15.36 | Guerin | UberNewb: I'm not using 1.0pr1 now anyway, regardless of extensions. see bugs.debian.org/278046 |
| 02:15.43 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 278046 |
| 02:15.46 | dpkg | #278046:I[mozilla-firefox] mozilla-firefox: firefox segfaults on certain sites (javascript?) (confirmed) |
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| 02:16.24 | abrotman | and that's why ECMA should retire JavaScript :) |
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| 02:16.29 | UberNewb | Guerin: oh. i gave you the link 'cause you said the reason you weren't using 0.10.1 was because that extension wasn't available for that version |
| 02:16.34 | Guerin | the mozilla.org binary doesn't, but debian 0.9.3-6 and 1.0pr1 do |
| 02:16.38 | UberNewb | Guerin: what's the bug?\ |
| 02:16.46 | UberNewb | nvm |
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| 02:17.32 | csmith | Does anyone know if Mathematica works fine on Debian? |
| 02:17.34 | UberNewb | then use the moz.org binary |
| 02:18.10 | Guerin | UberNewb: that's what I've put on my wife's computer. I don't use any sites which do a lot with javascript, so I haven't noticed it. |
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| 02:18.41 | UberNewb | Guerin: well, i thought you might want to know it is available, so i gave you the link |
| 02:18.44 | Gopher | anyone ever tried gaim-vv or know where i can find the debs for gaim-vv |
| 02:18.54 | Guerin | UberNewb: yeah, that's cool, cheers. |
| 02:18.58 | abrotman | apt-get.org perhaps |
| 02:19.05 | Gopher | i looked there for it |
| 02:19.18 | baroni | Does anybody knows about advanced X sessions management ? |
| 02:19.21 | Guerin | Gopher: I haven't seen debs for it. I think there are rpms for suse and hat, you could try alient, or building the source. |
| 02:19.36 | marinka | can anyone help me, i have a problem with xserver - or kdm, not sure- on my laptop. it worked fine for some time but now it doesnt recognize the keyboard when it first loads and only if i go to console (with a mouse) the keyboard works there and i can restart kdm and all will work. does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 02:19.52 | Gopher | thanks Guerin, i'll see if i can find the rpms |
| 02:20.14 | deadcat | whats -vv? |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | marinka: bts say anything? |
| 02:20.25 | Guerin | deadcat: voice and video |
| 02:20.29 | deadcat | o |
| 02:20.30 | abrotman | very verbose :) |
| 02:20.44 | abrotman | kind of like Gaim for brits |
| 02:20.59 | deadcat | gnomemeeting is not popular? |
| 02:21.09 | zakame | heh |
| 02:21.11 | abrotman | deadcat: i think it's different |
| 02:21.16 | deadcat | ah |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | deadcat: like webcam/mic for AOL IM |
| 02:21.30 | uber_fish | csmith, mathematica works fine on my (debian) machine |
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| 02:22.09 | uber_fish | csmith just remember to de-select your num-lock |
| 02:22.33 | Gopher | how do i make a debian package from the source? is there an easy way |
| 02:22.36 | marinka | any one knows what the problem is: i have a problem with xserver - or kdm, not sure- on my laptop. it worked fine for some time but now it doesnt recognize the keyboard when it first loads and only if i go to console (with a mouse) the keyboard works there and i can restart kdm and all will work. does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 02:22.45 | csmith | uber_fish: Thanks, couldn't find anything on their website regarding Debian compatibility |
| 02:23.44 | zakame | Gopher: papt-get source -b your_package |
| 02:23.49 | Guerin | < Guerin> marinka: echo "false" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 02:24.22 | digigasm | can anybody else confirm that "passwd -e user" doesn't work on unstable? |
| 02:24.32 | uber_fish | csmith, just remember to get the linux liscence, because that can turn into a headache |
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| 02:24.59 | csmith | uber_fish, I'm going to order an official copy |
| 02:25.05 | Guerin | digigasm: works perfectly for me. |
| 02:25.34 | digigasm | Guerin: are you using shadow? |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | marinka: bts say anything? |
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| 02:26.04 | Klebel | i put an .xinitrc file in my home folder, but it still doesnt auto launch the apps i want? |
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| 02:26.07 | Klebel | why isnt it workin? |
| 02:26.28 | shingouz | hmm... i dont seem to find this in the manpages, maybe i need some sleep; how do i mark a package 'hold' with dpkg/apt-get/some-other-nifty-cli-tool? |
| 02:26.32 | deadcat | Klebel: you using any DM? or startx? |
| 02:26.43 | Guerin | digigasm: yes |
| 02:26.44 | abrotman | marinka: bts say anything? |
| 02:26.44 | Klebel | im using xdm |
| 02:26.57 | deadcat | Klebel: ln -s .xinitrc .xsession |
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| 02:27.28 | Klebel | whats that do? |
| 02:27.35 | deadcat | what do you think? |
| 02:27.46 | Klebel | why link it? |
| 02:28.04 | thomas_adam | Klebel: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 02:28.07 | Gopher | zakame is the source the tar.gz |
| 02:28.15 | Gopher | or is it the compiled directory |
| 02:28.39 | Klebel | ok |
| 02:28.43 | ideafix | there no suse prozila rpms :/ |
| 02:28.50 | zakame | heh |
| 02:29.03 | uber_fish | csmith, yeah, that is what i had too, but i bought a windoz licence key and it didnt work on my linux box, took me 3 weeks to finally get them to just give me another key... stupid wolfram research |
| 02:29.40 | ideafix | ? |
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| 02:30.38 | ideafix | haxors must be really happy now with this new war on terror laws 1 |
| 02:31.25 | digigasm | I did "dpkg-reconfigure passwd" to use shadow and now "passwd -e user" works. I wonder why it doesn't work without shadow? |
| 02:31.35 | csmith | uber_fish, Thanks for the heads up |
| 02:31.58 | tcsetattr | password expiration is recorded in the shadow file. Before shadow, it didn't exist.. |
| 02:32.29 | deadcat | digigasm: cant you juse do a pwconv and a grpconv ? |
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| 02:34.11 | PirulaS | how I can ignore dependencies with apt-get ? |
| 02:34.25 | PirulaS | ups, hello all :) |
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| 02:34.27 | Guerin | PirulaS: you can't |
| 02:34.28 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: you don't. Fix them. |
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| 02:34.54 | deadcat | PirulaS: whats the chance of the app working without the dependencies? |
| 02:35.00 | glick | nice |
| 02:35.03 | UberNewb | you could tell it to download only, but you'd still need to resolve the dependencies |
| 02:35.16 | agraupe | how does one install irssi in debian? of all the packages, surely irssi is among them |
| 02:35.26 | Guerin | agraupe: apt-cache search irssi |
| 02:35.29 | deadcat | agraupe: apt-get install |
| 02:35.29 | dondelelcaro | agraupe: apt-get install irssi-text;; |
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| 02:35.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell agraupe about search |
| 02:35.39 | PirulaS | I installed apache 2 on sarge, and there are a lot of packeages depends of apache |
| 02:35.57 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: those packages should Depends: apache | httpd |
| 02:36.06 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: if they don't, then those packages have bugs. |
| 02:36.36 | agraupe | it was the -text I was missing. thanks |
| 02:36.39 | PirulaS | how I can change it ? |
| 02:37.22 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: what package is this? |
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| 02:37.54 | PirulaS | libapache-mod-log-sql depends apache-common |
| 02:38.11 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: libapache-mod-log-sql can't work with apache2. |
| 02:38.22 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: it requires apache 1. |
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| 02:38.58 | ar3dam | I have some mistake on having tried to install sqwebmail, says that it cannot find GDBM or the db library..how I will be able to install it? |
| 02:39.00 | dondelelcaro | moreover, that package isn't even in Debian. |
| 02:39.03 | PirulaS | <=1.18 apache1 ; >1.18 apache2 |
| 02:39.17 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | yay sox |
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| 02:40.06 | dondelelcaro | !+info libapache-mod-log-sql |
| 02:40.08 | dpkg | Package 'libapache-mod-log-sql' does not exist. |
| 02:40.18 | PirulaS | i've libapache-mod-log-sql_1.98-1_i386.deb |
| 02:40.34 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: so talk to whoever packaged it, because they screwed it up. |
| 02:40.38 | loke | i have tftpd running and cant seem to kill it? |
| 02:40.42 | thu_ | what network problem would cause im/irc/downloads to timeout every 30 minutes? |
| 02:41.03 | dondelelcaro | loke: it's probably being started via /etc/inetd.conf then. Either remove tftpd, or comment out the line in inetd.conf |
| 02:41.14 | loke | dondelelcaro ok |
| 02:41.34 | abrotman | !info libapache-mod-log-sql woody |
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| 02:41.43 | thu_ | and how would one go around debugging repeating timeouts? |
| 02:41.45 | abrotman | woohoo .. root! |
| 02:42.01 | abrotman | thu_: your router |
| 02:42.18 | Viddy | or as they say in south africa, thru your rooter |
| 02:42.54 | Guerin | the correct pronunciation of "route" is actually "root" |
| 02:43.02 | Guerin | since the word is french |
| 02:43.08 | loke | dondelelcaro thank you |
| 02:43.11 | thu_ | abrotman, it's likely that the problem is on the isp side but they don't seem to know what's going on |
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| 02:43.20 | loke | dondelelcaro i was trippin out for a minute |
| 02:43.30 | Guerin | the use of "rowt" is jjust another case of americans bastardising any language they get their hands on :) |
| 02:43.36 | abrotman | thu_: doubt it .. unless they are morons |
| 02:43.37 | PirulaS | Do I can modify /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 02:43.49 | loke | dondelelcaro i just commented it out in inetd.conf and then restarted inetd |
| 02:43.51 | thu_ | abrotman, I'm not sure how to document the problem from my side.. the connection timeouts every 30 mins but it doesn't look like a router problem |
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| 02:44.01 | abrotman | thu_: you don't have a firewall or router? |
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| 02:44.28 | dondelelcaro | loke: yeah,in the future, netstat -plunt; will help you figure those things out. |
| 02:44.28 | thu_ | abrotman, I switched routers and the one I have now has been working fine for quite a while |
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| 02:44.43 | abrotman | thu_: maybe that's your answer |
| 02:44.44 | xerophyte | I have problem i have linksys KVM2KIT KVM switch its preconfigured to double scroll key to switch between the desktops .. but i have remote server which has same configuration.. so its imposisble to switch server on the remtoe site is there any keyboard immulator on the linux so i can switch console using software keyboard ? |
| 02:44.51 | loke | dondelelcaro thanks again |
| 02:44.55 | dondelelcaro | loke: np |
| 02:45.03 | thu_ | abrotman, switched routers as in the problem is the same with any router I use |
| 02:45.21 | loke | dondelelcaro i cant ever remember the right switches to use with netstat, i was using nmap |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | thu_: you just said it's been working fine for a while |
| 02:45.40 | thu_ | abrotman, how can I document the timeouts so I get them to look on their side? |
| 02:45.44 | dondelelcaro | loke: the two that are common are apn, and plunt. Remember those two, and you'll be ok. |
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| 02:46.13 | thu_ | abrotman, before the isp did some changes on their side.. I've been having timeout problems on and off for the past few days |
| 02:46.18 | dondelelcaro | thu_: figure out why things are timing out. Is an IP address changing? Are you loosing connectivity every 30 minutes? |
| 02:46.19 | loke | dondelelcaro good to know |
| 02:46.24 | abrotman | thu_: i find it odd your irc is timing out .. since there is activity on the port .. normal rules keep it up while there is activity |
| 02:46.26 | xerophyte | is there any software which will simplate the keyboard on linux??? |
| 02:46.36 | abrotman | thu_: then ask them what they changed |
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| 02:46.54 | thu_ | abrotman, big isp.. the first line tech support seem clueless and try to blame it on my router |
| 02:47.08 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: what, like xkeycaps or somethign? |
| 02:47.08 | abrotman | thu_: tell them you've changed routers .. or you don't have router |
| 02:47.08 | thu_ | dondelelcaro, and how would I do that? |
| 02:47.21 | thu_ | that's an idea |
| 02:47.27 | biohazrd | what would cause a cdrw to say mount: No medium found, yet the device shows up in the output of cdrecord --scanbus ? |
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| 02:47.35 | Guerin | thu_: bamboozle them with technical terminology and demand to speak to someone more senior |
| 02:47.46 | biohazrd | my normal cdrom will mount data cd fine however.. |
| 02:47.47 | dondelelcaro | thu_: when your connections timeout, figure out what exactly has happened. Or get rid of the router entirely, and test for a while. |
| 02:47.49 | thu_ | abrotman, the real question was what kind of network diag tools (other than ping) I can use to find out what's going on |
| 02:48.15 | initech | Guerin: yes, talk about flux capacitors and johnson rods |
| 02:48.25 | dondelelcaro | thu_: traceroute, ping, route, telnet, tcpdump. That's pretty much all you need. |
| 02:48.41 | initech | tcptraceroute can come in very handy |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | thu_: dunno .. traceroute .. ping .. telnet maybe |
| 02:48.51 | PirulaS | dondelelcaro Do I can modify /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
| 02:48.52 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, i mean i need software keyboard so when i use the java to access the remote server and press scroll two times |
| 02:48.55 | paxetil | if i want to use a /boot partition, i need to put a line in /etc/fstab to mount partition to /boot ? |
| 02:48.55 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: no. |
| 02:49.04 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: fix the .deb already. |
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| 02:49.13 | abrotman | or don't use it |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | why would anyone want to log apache in sql? |
| 02:49.27 | thu_ | I usually go with mtr.. thing is everything works fine except for a few secs every 30 mins that make everything timeout |
| 02:49.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I can think of a couple reasons... |
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| 02:49.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: only 2? |
| 02:49.45 | PirulaS | abrotman for use dtc (control panel) |
| 02:50.11 | abrotman | and that makes it ok? :) |
| 02:50.14 | PirulaS | dondelelcaro how I can repair .deb ? |
| 02:50.19 | xerophyte | does anybody know good virtual keyboard for linux ? |
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| 02:50.44 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: you don't repair it. You fix it. Build it against the version of apache that you actually want to have installed, and fix the debian/control so that it's using the proper version. |
| 02:50.45 | fernandotcl | hello |
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| 02:50.50 | abrotman | xerophyte: you mean onscreen? |
| 02:50.54 | initech | virtual keyboard? |
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| 02:51.39 | dondelelcaro | thu: even loss of connectivity for a few seconds (hell, even a few minutes) shouldn't cause a timeout. |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | thu: it could be momentary |
| 02:51.46 | xerophyte | abrotman, yup |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | if your dhcp lease expires .... do you lose connectivity? |
| 02:52.11 | fernandotcl | hmmm it seems that gnome won't load with my firewall rules, running sid... any ideas? |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | xerophyte: i think gnome and kde ech have one |
| 02:52.20 | thu | dondelelcaro, I realize that.. that's why I'm not sure what exactly is going on |
| 02:52.21 | abrotman | each |
| 02:52.24 | xerophyte | abrotman, i have KVM preconfigured to a key but i need to use that key to access another kvm swithc remotely so i need virtual keyboard so i can switch server motely |
| 02:52.28 | dondelelcaro | fernandotcl: you're probably blocking connections to localhost. |
| 02:52.38 | xerophyte | abrotman what is the name of it i have gnome |
| 02:52.39 | PirulaS | dondelelcaro I don't know how do it |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | xerophyte: servers don't run X ! |
| 02:52.49 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: well, then talk to the person who made the .deb. |
| 02:52.51 | thu | abrotman, I was thinking either dhcp or some kind of logrotate |
| 02:52.56 | fernandotcl | dondelelcaro, ohhh great tip, i think that's it, i forgot that detail, many thx |
| 02:53.01 | dondelelcaro | PirulaS: or pay someone to fix it. |
| 02:53.03 | xerophyte | abrotman, i want it on my box |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | xerophyte: servers don't run X :) |
| 02:53.23 | paxetil | if i want to use a /boot partition, i need to put a line in /etc/fstab to mount partition to /boot ? |
| 02:53.27 | xerophyte | abrotman you uderstand wrong |
| 02:53.40 | xerophyte | abrotman, i mean you understood me wrong |
| 02:53.50 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: wait, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | gtkeyboard - A highly-configurable on-screen keyboard for mouse-typing |
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| 02:54.15 | abrotman | xerophyte: apt-cache search keyboard screen |
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| 02:54.24 | Klebel | is there anyway that i can get my insert key to work in linux? |
| 02:54.49 | dondelelcaro | Klebel: work where/ |
| 02:54.56 | dondelelcaro | Klebel: xev shoudl show it working. |
| 02:55.08 | Xenguy | Klebel: what app? |
| 02:55.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: on a properly confifgured DHCP server, oddly enough comcast's are correct, at halfway through the lease period the server checks to see if your IP is still being used if it is it renews your lease at that point in time. If it is not it checks again at the end of the lease period and if you are not using it then issues you a new address the next time you turn the machine and/or connect it to the network.So long story |
| 02:55.28 | xerophyte | abrotman My desktop (KVM switch with multible desktop) --- Remote Server ( KVM switch with mulitpble servers ) the problem both KVM switch configured with same key combination to swithc between servers and dekstop so if i wanna switch between servers access on my desktop i need to use virtual keyboard from the screen because if i use my keyboard it will swith between desktop .. i tried my best to explain :) |
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| 02:55.40 | Klebel | it doesnt recognize it |
| 02:55.42 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: nah. The client is supposed to renew the lease, not the server. |
| 02:55.58 | Xenguy | Klebel: you need to be specific |
| 02:56.03 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: and issuing a different address if the address is not in use is always wrong. |
| 02:56.20 | abrotman | xerophyte: still not getting it .. still tihnk you want OSK |
| 02:56.29 | thu | why would a dhcp renew cause everything to timeout? |
| 02:56.42 | dondelelcaro | thu: if you're getting a different address, everything will time out. |
| 02:56.50 | Klebel | my /var/log/messages tells me to use 'setkeycodes e059 <keycode> |
| 02:57.09 | abrotman | thu: if you block pings perhaps .. your ISP may think you are off ... and take away your IP .. then your system has to get a new one? |
| 02:57.12 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: 'course, that's not to say that ISPs don't do that already. |
| 02:57.22 | xerophyte | abrotman, i think gok works let me se |
| 02:57.23 | thu | dondelelcaro, I don't think I'm getting a new address |
| 02:57.37 | abrotman | gok? |
| 02:57.38 | thu | dondelelcaro, nope, address stays the same |
| 02:57.43 | abrotman | !info gok |
| 02:57.45 | dpkg | gok: (The GNOME Onscreen Keyboard), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.11.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 860 kB, Installed size: 7940 kB |
| 02:57.45 | Klebel | and they keycode is 111 but it gives me an error, like the console doesnt recognize it |
| 02:57.54 | dondelelcaro | thu: *shrug*. See what is happening when things time out. |
| 02:57.58 | abrotman | xerophyte: ok .. but isn't that what i said darn it? |
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| 02:58.16 | Xenguy | Klebel: no idea about that error you're seeing - sorry |
| 02:58.20 | dondelelcaro | thu: although, if you're using NAT, you may want to remove the router from the loop entirely... because it may be the problem. |
| 02:58.21 | xerophyte | abrotman, yup |
| 02:58.21 | thu | dondelelcaro, a few ping packets get lost.. I saved a traceroute report to see if it changes afterwards |
| 02:58.30 | abrotman | xerophyte: so i got it the first time? |
| 02:58.44 | dondelelcaro | thu: where do the ping packets get lost? |
| 02:58.46 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: yeah I think you have the order right but six of one half a dozen of the other basically if you never turn the machine off you will keep the adrese forever |
| 02:59.01 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: exactly. |
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| 02:59.16 | jimmy | can anyone walk me through setting up a socks proxy on linux? |
| 02:59.25 | Guerin | man |
| 02:59.41 | Guerin | it takes a shitload of quail eggs to make an omelette |
| 02:59.43 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: and oh the didn't have Simpsons on because of baseball. I hold you personally responsible and want to hunt you down and kill you. :D |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | and sometimes . even if you do . it seems some remember mac .. and give the same back .. or maybe just too coincidental for me |
| 02:59.55 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: *nod* |
| 03:00.06 | thu | dondelelcaro, I was pinging the dns server during the last timeout.. I think I only lost 1 packet when it happened |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: not me .. they new simpsons doesn't start until 2 weeks from now |
| 03:00.25 | dondelelcaro | thu: yes, but where was the packet lost? did the NAT box die? |
| 03:00.30 | deadcat | nov 7th |
| 03:00.37 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: and honestly .. simpsons have been on almost since the last time sox were in the series |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | and groening is 1/2 as old as the last time they won :) |
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| 03:00.56 | paxetil | if i want to use a /boot partition, i need to put a line in /etc/fstab to mount partition to /boot ? |
| 03:00.56 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:01.03 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: reruns you dumbass reruns and it's next week. God could you be a little more uselss. and I still want to hunt you down and kill you. |
| 03:01.08 | thu | dondelelcaro, I'll ping the nat box now.. timeout in ~3 mins |
| 03:01.29 | abrotman | i thought the beginning of the season was in two weeks .. halloween special next week |
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| 03:01.46 | xerophyte | abrotman, will these works i mean the KVM console has the focus and i need to switch the focus to this how the KVM console get the keys just wondering |
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| 03:01.59 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: which .. honestly .. i don't get . because game7 could start at 730 next sunday |
| 03:02.04 | thu | dondelelcaro, do you know of any smart network diag tools that would be able to identify this problem? |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | xerophyte: was that a question? |
| 03:02.23 | xerophyte | abrotman, yup |
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| 03:02.31 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: and if it does I'm going to get on a plane and fly to Philly and kick your useless ass :D |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: they didn't plan for simpsons apparently |
| 03:02.51 | xerophyte | abrotman, did you get the problem i mean i got the on screen keyboard now when i press its just type ont he bottom window .. |
| 03:02.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: so you better hope like hell that it doesn't |
| 03:03.04 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i think they have been showing ads .. just in case there isn't a game7 |
| 03:03.13 | abrotman | xerophyte: never used it |
| 03:03.24 | xerophyte | abrotman, but the remote KVM switch console is different application when i press the key |
| 03:03.26 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: and isn't the halloween a rerun? |
| 03:03.31 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I hate you </pout> |
| 03:03.34 | xerophyte | abrotman, that application need to get it |
| 03:03.34 | deadcat | dont worry. there AINT gonna be a game 7 |
| 03:03.41 | dondelelcaro | thu: I've given you the ones that are available... |
| 03:03.46 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: they've been advertising a new one |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's the simpsons .. they've been on every week foir like 13 years |
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| 03:03.50 | Unified | hi |
| 03:03.53 | abrotman | deadcat: never know |
| 03:03.59 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, did you get my problem with KVM console and onlinescreen keyboard |
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| 03:04.00 | uber_fish | hey anyone know where i can get the mysql client library for php5? |
| 03:04.04 | Unified | anyone tried gnome 2.8 from experimental yet? is it usable at all? |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | deadcat: the NLCS .. the home team won the game .. so it went to 7 |
| 03:04.14 | jimmy | can anyone help me setup a socks proxy on linux? |
| 03:04.17 | abrotman | uber_fish: no .. there is no PHP5 in debian |
| 03:04.20 | deadcat | abrotman: its gonna be 5 and out |
| 03:04.26 | abrotman | deadcat: no way |
| 03:04.29 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: abrotman hopes there is not going to be a game 7 cause it's his ass if there is. |
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| 03:04.35 | xerophyte | is there on screen keyboard to replace the real keyboard ? |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | deadcat: either 4 or 7 :) |
| 03:04.40 | deadcat | jimmy: google. that doesnt sound like a 3 step howto. so google it |
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| 03:04.47 | jimmy | ive tried |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: after dinner at warmdaddys? |
| 03:04.54 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: (= |
| 03:04.56 | jimmy | everything is for the one server from premeo |
| 03:05.00 | jimmy | which is no longer opensource |
| 03:05.16 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: damn straight you're taking me to Warmdaddys before I kill you. :D |
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| 03:05.38 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: sounds like a plan .. but you're buying the booze and dessert |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:06.02 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: done and done ;D |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: and then i die! |
| 03:06.29 | uber_fish | abrotman, are you sure i cant download the source and compile it? |
| 03:06.35 | abrotman | uber_fish: i have no idea |
| 03:06.37 | abrotman | !php5 |
| 03:06.37 | dpkg | php5 is probably at ``deb http://packages.dotdeb.org ./'' but remember to read http://devel.dotdeb.org and remove the line or you'll hose your system |
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| 03:07.33 | abrotman | thu_: your ISP sucks |
| 03:07.35 | uber_fish | abrotman, well, it is being a royal pain in my arse, trying to get it to compile with mysql |
| 03:07.38 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yep. but of course odds are with food and booze in me I'll get all distracted and forget about the killing. As you well know I'm a bit of a flake. |
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| 03:07.51 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: and music!!! it's a blues place |
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| 03:08.01 | abrotman | uber_fish: that's the default |
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| 03:08.15 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: damn you're never going to die in that case. |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i might even get laid :) |
| 03:09.01 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: depends on if the food is as good as it looks like it is :) |
| 03:09.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i've eaten there .. it's that good :) |
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| 03:09.42 | thu_ | abrotman, I'm looking into my dhcpd now.. can't find anything wrong though |
| 03:09.58 | abrotman | hmm .. average white band playing there next weekend |
| 03:10.04 | abrotman | thu_: did it really drop you? |
| 03:10.08 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: *nod* having seen your S&S Pork recipe I'm willing to take your word on that :) |
| 03:10.17 | jetscreamer | when is grand funk railroad? |
| 03:10.25 | thu_ | abrotman, everything times out every 30 mins |
| 03:10.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: i'm serious |
| 03:10.30 | jetscreamer | yeah i know |
| 03:10.32 | PirulaS | dondelelcaro is very easy I only need modify 'control' file. A lot of thanks. |
| 03:10.35 | jetscreamer | well i figured |
| 03:10.43 | abrotman | thu_: the old you still hasn't gone |
| 03:10.54 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's good food :) |
| 03:10.55 | thu_ | here |
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| 03:11.01 | initech | dondedelcaro's easy like that |
| 03:11.05 | abrotman | thu: i meant for it to timeout :) |
| 03:11.08 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: *drool* |
| 03:11.11 | thu | abrotman, it takes a while |
| 03:11.18 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: are you reading the menu again? |
| 03:11.28 | initech | what menu? |
| 03:11.32 | initech | gimme |
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| 03:11.33 | abrotman | thu: and your external IP stays the same? |
| 03:11.35 | thu | abrotman, what could cause this on my LAN? |
| 03:11.37 | thu | abrotman, yes |
| 03:11.39 | abrotman | initech: http://www.warmdaddys.com/ |
| 03:11.43 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: no I'm not but I do have it bookmarked on my work machine. :) |
| 03:11.51 | abrotman | thu: only your router that i'm aware |
| 03:11.58 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Now I am |
| 03:12.01 | Guerin | it's quail egg omelettes for lunch chez Guerin aujourd'hui |
| 03:12.02 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 03:12.11 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: :) |
| 03:12.15 | Guerin | but I forgot to put mushrooms in |
| 03:12.25 | coywolf | Guerin, i'm trying to build mplayer, what Codecs to choose? |
| 03:12.32 | jetscreamer | w32codecs |
| 03:12.45 | Guerin | coywolf: don't build it. Use the marillat packages. The sarge package worked fine for me. |
| 03:12.48 | jetscreamer | whatever's in that |
| 03:12.52 | thu | abrotman, right now I have a crappy small router that doesn't have any time-related features |
| 03:12.55 | abrotman | Guerin: mushrooms->mplayer |
| 03:12.57 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:13.19 | abrotman | thu: can you risk connecting your box directly to cable modem? |
| 03:13.24 | thu | abrotman, given that this whole timeout problem has been centered around some downtime I tend to blame the isp |
| 03:13.35 | coywolf | Guerin, last night, marillat broken for me, i'm using sid |
| 03:13.39 | scarynetworkguy | coywolf: on every other package I agree with Guerin but on this one google on mplayer debian follow the first hit and read that how to |
| 03:13.51 | thu | abrotman, I'd rather not.. I guess I could give it a try with knoppix |
| 03:13.53 | jetscreamer | marillat worked fine for me today sid |
| 03:14.01 | abrotman | thu: you could ... |
| 03:14.09 | scarynetworkguy | coywolf: http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html |
| 03:14.12 | abrotman | thu: i'd suspect them too |
| 03:14.17 | coywolf | scarynetworkguy, k |
| 03:14.23 | abrotman | thu: try to find a friend in your area with same provider |
| 03:14.28 | abrotman | initech: menu ok? |
| 03:14.31 | initech | marrillat works fine, watched "eat drink man woman" on it just today |
| 03:14.34 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: are you drooling again? |
| 03:14.36 | deadcat | anyone got flashplugin for firefox on ppc? |
| 03:14.44 | abrotman | initech: huh? |
| 03:14.45 | coywolf | jetscreamer, k |
| 03:14.55 | initech | abrotman: yeah is that austin? |
| 03:14.55 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:15.01 | abrotman | initech: philadelphia :) |
| 03:15.09 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yes I am so badly in fact that I'm going to go make dinner :) |
| 03:15.15 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 03:15.17 | initech | abrotman: i thought you were in texas? |
| 03:15.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: :D |
| 03:15.25 | abrotman | initech: PA |
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| 03:16.01 | abrotman | initech: i like to eat |
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| 03:16.31 | michael12345 | is there a way I can copy files that have 1098525950.18387.gsm and not 1098525950.18387-in.gsm |
| 03:16.47 | dondelelcaro | michael12345: by using find intelligently. |
| 03:16.48 | Guerin | coywolf: use the testing packages; the sid package was broken for me, too, but the testing package works fine. |
| 03:16.54 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: as do all good people |
| 03:17.08 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: sadly .. i'm roughly 150-160lbs |
| 03:17.17 | initech | sadly? |
| 03:17.19 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i like to eat .. but apparently not enough :) |
| 03:17.23 | dondelelcaro | michael12345: fe, find . -type f -iname '*.gsm' -not -iname '*-in.gsm' -print0 |xargs -0... yada yada. |
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| 03:17.46 | initech | i'm like 185, haven't been 150 for like a year (FUCK) |
| 03:17.47 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 03:18.05 | michael12345 | so the command would mv find . -type f -iname '*.gsm' -not -iname '*-in.gsm' /storage |
| 03:18.09 | coywolf | Guerin, i'm afaid mix tesint and unstable together will bring me trouble |
| 03:18.14 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: or you're just blessed with the same metabolism I had till I hit 30 at which point it all went south on me |
| 03:18.20 | dondelelcaro | michael12345: no. |
| 03:18.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: to your penis? |
| 03:18.27 | dondelelcaro | michael12345: info find, man xargs. |
| 03:18.30 | Guerin | coywolf: not nearly as much trouble as trying to build mplayer yourself, mark my words. |
| 03:18.50 | jetscreamer | why do you ask about his penis |
| 03:18.51 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: stopped a few inches short of there sadly enough |
| 03:19.03 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: bummer .. so you just look like john candy huh? |
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| 03:19.27 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: :P |
| 03:19.27 | initech | abrotman: let's not go *that* far |
| 03:19.28 | FUF | eh, anyone here on the debian-announce mailing list? |
| 03:19.38 | abrotman | initech: you mean you're not skinny anymore? |
| 03:19.43 | dondelelcaro | FUF: almost everyone here should be. |
| 03:19.56 | abrotman | FUF: there's an archive also |
| 03:20.01 | FUF | im aware |
| 03:20.07 | FUF | just something very odd happened |
| 03:20.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i want the duck |
| 03:20.16 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: http://www.scarynetworkguy.net/100_0247.JPG |
| 03:20.18 | FUF | I got a huge set of past messages.. |
| 03:20.23 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yeah that would be good |
| 03:20.24 | initech | abrotman: no, i stopped being skinny around age 37 (i'm 38) i gained weight before though, always lose it |
| 03:20.35 | FUF | 180+ debian-changes messages |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: where do you get the TVs!!! |
| 03:20.50 | dondelelcaro | FUF: uh, you subscribed to debian-changes. |
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| 03:20.57 | dondelelcaro | FUF: that's probably not the mailing list you want. |
| 03:21.09 | FUF | dondelelcaro: ive been subscribed to debian-changes for almost 2 years now |
| 03:21.10 | abrotman | initech: not anymore .. you're here too much |
| 03:21.12 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: that was at a PS2 LAN party :) |
| 03:21.16 | initech | lol |
| 03:21.23 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: oh .. now it makes sense |
| 03:21.40 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: *nod* yeah I'm a freak but not that much of a freak |
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| 03:21.55 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i thought maybe you were like reaves in sweet november :) |
| 03:22.06 | abrotman | reeves .. keanu .. whatever his last name is |
| 03:22.11 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: heh |
| 03:22.14 | abrotman | where's Phated when i need to spell a guys name |
| 03:22.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yeah |
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| 03:22.28 | dondelelcaro | FUF: ok... so why are we talking about -announce then? |
| 03:22.50 | FUF | woops, just realized my initial msg was incorrect :) |
| 03:22.59 | Guerin | people who tuck in tshirts need beatings |
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| 03:23.10 | abrotman | Guerin: like scarynetworkguy ? |
| 03:23.11 | Guerin | they make those of us who don't look like slackers |
| 03:23.13 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:23.19 | FUF | dondelelcaro: are you on debian-changes? did you just get a mass of emails too? |
| 03:23.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yeah I think that is what he meant :) |
| 03:23.24 | Guerin | just like that ex-military muthafucka |
| 03:23.25 | abrotman | i don't even tuck in my polo shirts at work :) |
| 03:23.31 | Radiance | can any one recommend a good site which scans your box to see how much info it can get from your browser etc ? thanks |
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| 03:23.33 | abrotman | i'm the lazy |
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| 03:23.39 | abrotman | err .. i'm lazy |
| 03:24.02 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: what can I say I'm a fucked up person |
| 03:24.04 | dondelelcaro | FUF: no, I'm not. but it looks like r3 just went through. |
| 03:24.12 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I resemble that remark |
| 03:24.16 | initech | lol, you tuck in your shirt if you have like a 30" waist, other than that, don't :) |
| 03:24.17 | FUF | dondelelcaro: that'd explain it :) |
| 03:24.19 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: that you do. |
| 03:24.20 | [SaC]Comrade | on pdmenu build i get " make: msgfmt : command not found " what package is this and how can i build a dep to get it? |
| 03:24.25 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: *nod* |
| 03:24.31 | [SaC]Comrade | i builded dep |
| 03:24.32 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: now we need your pic again :) |
| 03:24.52 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/lg.jpg , I think |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | naked! |
| 03:24.55 | [SaC]Comrade | but how do i install the dependencies now |
| 03:25.15 | abrotman | Guerin: i didn't know you had red hair ... |
| 03:25.18 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: *nod* |
| 03:25.23 | abrotman | Guerin: you must really stick out in korea :) |
| 03:25.28 | initech | Guerin: i always knew you were a hippie mofo |
| 03:25.31 | Guerin | abrotman: you ought to pay more attention |
| 03:25.32 | scarynetworkguy | damn hippy looking SOB :) |
| 03:25.33 | abrotman | and the milky white skin :) |
| 03:25.36 | Guerin | I ain't no hippie! |
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| 03:25.53 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: :P |
| 03:26.22 | Guerin | anyway, I was rrrreeeally stoned when that pic was taken, and had just gotten out of bed |
| 03:26.24 | FUF | dondelelcaro: heard anything official from anyone else yet about this (r3) yet? so far the only sign i see anywhere were those emails to debian-changes |
| 03:26.32 | ideafix | can i make extended partitions on several primary or just on the last primary ? |
| 03:26.35 | abrotman | Guerin: they still stone people in korea? |
| 03:26.41 | Guerin | and it's a couple years old, but I haven't changed much since |
| 03:26.46 | Guerin | abrotman: sadly, no. |
| 03:26.49 | dondelelcaro | FUF: it's been in preparation for about 5 months now. Announcements were made to -devel-announce |
| 03:27.05 | mwilson | An r3? |
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| 03:27.09 | abrotman | weee |
| 03:27.18 | abrotman | !punish fox |
| 03:27.26 | mwilson | That's just ducky. |
| 03:27.27 | loke | damn |
| 03:27.39 | loke | dpkg, anger management maybe |
| 03:27.39 | dpkg | loke: no idea |
| 03:27.41 | UberNewb | er, how do i take a screenshot? |
| 03:27.43 | Guerin | time to consider dist-upgrade... |
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| 03:27.53 | abrotman | dpkg: why can't you pee? |
| 03:27.53 | UberNewb | print-screen doesn't seem to be working... |
| 03:27.53 | loke | or abrotman i mean |
| 03:27.54 | dpkg | abrotman: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:28.21 | abrotman | UberNewb: gnome/kde? |
| 03:28.25 | UberNewb | kde |
| 03:28.26 | dondelelcaro | FUF: it'll take a bit for it to be officially announced, but it's in the archive now. |
| 03:28.31 | [SaC]Comrade | but how do i install the dependencies now |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | nfc about kde |
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| 03:28.49 | abrotman | UberNewb: apt-cache search kde screenshot |
| 03:28.49 | Guerin | ksnapshot |
| 03:28.54 | UberNewb | print screen should work in any, damnit |
| 03:29.03 | Guerin | but it's shit and you might as well just use import |
| 03:29.14 | UberNewb | import? |
| 03:29.24 | abrotman | !info import |
| 03:29.24 | fernandotcl | wxwidgets and easy tag are gtk1... is there something i can do about it? |
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| 03:29.29 | Guerin | UberNewb: why? Many *n?x keyboards don't have a printscreen |
| 03:29.39 | Guerin | import is in imagemagick |
| 03:29.42 | abrotman | i prefer stop-a |
| 03:29.46 | UberNewb | Guerin: i've never seen a keyboard without print screen |
| 03:29.59 | abrotman | UberNewb: ever used a sparc box? |
| 03:30.03 | UberNewb | nope |
| 03:30.03 | deadcat | scrot or xwd works wonders, and faster than import |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | 3 more outs |
| 03:30.37 | deadcat | amen |
| 03:30.40 | [SaC]Comrade | on pdmenu build i get " make: msgfmt : command not found " what package is this and how can i build a dep to get it? |
| 03:30.44 | UberNewb | k, i'm using KDE. what do i need so i can just press print screen and/or alt or ctrl print screen to take screen shots? |
| 03:30.45 | ideafix | can i make extended partitions on several primary or just on the last primary ? |
| 03:30.51 | abrotman | work is gonna suck tomorrow :) |
| 03:30.58 | dondelelcaro | UberNewb: no, that's windows shite. |
| 03:31.12 | dondelelcaro | print screen does what it says in unix. It prints the freaking screen to a printer. |
| 03:31.28 | UberNewb | dondelelcaro: that 'windows "shite"' is pretty frickin' handy |
| 03:31.30 | abrotman | and in windows .. it's ctrl-printscreen |
| 03:31.46 | abrotman | well .. to the buffer anyways |
| 03:32.01 | UberNewb | abrotman: without ctrl it just copies the whole screen. with ctrl it does the fg window |
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| 03:32.10 | UberNewb | or was that alt.. |
| 03:32.18 | abrotman | UberNewb: if ou say so |
| 03:32.34 | mwilson | No, alt-printscreen does the foreground window. |
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| 03:32.50 | mwilson | Not that it matters, there are umpteen screenshot utilities you could use. |
| 03:32.50 | UberNewb | that's what i thought |
| 03:33.02 | jetscreamer | print screen vs alt print screen in w2k is entire screen vs window_focused, copied to clipboard |
| 03:33.13 | UberNewb | i don't want to have the utility visible when using it though... |
| 03:33.18 | doleyb | UberNewb: There is a bigger problem: many X11 apps don't cope with pictures on the clipboard. |
| 03:33.29 | deadcat | UberNewb: map it to some key then. |
| 03:33.30 | UberNewb | doleyb: what about gimp/ |
| 03:33.48 | abrotman | UberNewb: gimp has a function to take a screenshot |
| 03:34.01 | deadcat | !moron UberNewb |
| 03:34.01 | dpkg | UberNewb: You are moron #56 |
| 03:34.04 | UberNewb | abrotman: then gimp would need to be running |
| 03:34.13 | Guerin | UberNewb: just bind prtscrn's keystroke to import -window root screen`date +'%Y%m%d%H%M%S`.png |
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| 03:34.16 | abrotman | UberNewb: you know ... File->Acquire->screenshot |
| 03:34.17 | UberNewb | deadcat: i'm not a moron, just ignorant |
| 03:34.30 | abrotman | at least in gimp2 |
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| 03:34.43 | abrotman | gimp1 has it also .. dunno where though |
| 03:34.58 | doleyb | abrotman: the same in gimp1 |
| 03:35.04 | deadcat | UberNewb: just use fucking scrot, |
| 03:35.05 | cafuego | gimpgimpgimpgimpgimp |
| 03:35.06 | UberNewb | ok, i can use that for now, but in the future i want to be able to take a screenshot without the utility being visible |
| 03:35.21 | Guerin | UberNewb: or you could just ignore me |
| 03:35.26 | cafuego | UberNewb: import -window root foo.png |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | cafuego: you want gimp? gay indian midget porn? |
| 03:35.42 | cafuego | abrotman: gay incest midget porn, if you please |
| 03:35.54 | abrotman | cafuego: oh yeah .. you're from .au :) |
| 03:35.55 | doleyb | UberNewb: Unless X11 had a universal clipboard for graphics, the feature you want won't happen. |
| 03:35.56 | initech | cafuego: asian, please |
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| 03:36.06 | cafuego | initech: No, that would be gAmp |
| 03:36.08 | abrotman | initech: that's gamp |
| 03:36.08 | deadcat | UberNewb: use your freakin desktop/window manager to map scrot to som key then press that damn key |
| 03:36.10 | abrotman | this is gimp |
| 03:36.23 | cafuego | initech: And I am not Penix. I don't even LOOK like Penix. |
| 03:36.24 | doleyb | UberNewb: For example, I just opened a picture in gimp and copied it. But I can't paste that into openoffice. |
| 03:36.46 | cafuego | doleyb: Insert -> image |
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| 03:37.00 | UberNewb | sorry, not ignoring, just trying to find how to bind keys |
| 03:37.15 | abrotman | UberNewb: and gimp has a delay you can use |
| 03:37.16 | doleyb | cafuego: Yes, we know it can happen with the filesystem. But he wanted a clipboard-based method. |
| 03:37.36 | deadcat | UberNewb: what manager you using? i use xbindkeys to handle all my key binds. thisn way i dont rely on the manager |
| 03:37.42 | abrotman | woohoo .. sox win |
| 03:37.43 | [SaC]Comrade | what package do i need to be able to perform msgfmt ??? |
| 03:37.51 | UberNewb | deadcat: KDE, and i think i have that too. |
| 03:38.36 | abrotman | !find msgfmt |
| 03:38.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'msgfmt' (6 shown; 13 total): (/usr/bin/msgfmt) in devel/gettext ;; (/usr/lib/mailman/bin/msgfmt.py) in mail/mailman ;; (/usr/X11R6/bin/xview_msgfmt) in devel/xviewg-dev ;; (/usr/include/kde/kbabel/msgfmt.h) in libdevel/kbabel-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/gettext-doc/msgfmt.1.html) in doc/gettext-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/icu/html/msgfmt_8h-source.html) in doc/icu-doc. |
| 03:39.05 | [SaC]Comrade | hmm thx |
| 03:39.08 | deadcat | abrotman: all i know is YANKEES LOST (= |
| 03:39.11 | abrotman | [SaC]Comrade: gettext |
| 03:39.15 | abrotman | deadcat: damn right |
| 03:39.20 | ideafix | can i make extended partitions on several primary or just on the last primary ? |
| 03:39.25 | abrotman | !punish Yankees |
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| 03:40.36 | UberNewb | Guerin: how do i bind the key? |
| 03:40.39 | [SaC]Comrade | thx dudes, does this !find command work for all packages? |
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| 03:40.54 | deadcat | [SaC]Comrade: use /msg dpkg find <pkg> |
| 03:41.02 | loke | !punish abrotman |
| 03:41.09 | [SaC]Comrade | thx this is a great help :) |
| 03:41.10 | abrotman | !kill loke |
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| 03:41.19 | loke | !beer abrotman |
| 03:41.35 | initech | abrotman: how many times does that have to happen to you for you to learn? :P |
| 03:41.38 | abrotman | !wine loke |
| 03:41.45 | loke | lol |
| 03:42.02 | UberNewb | how do i bind a key? |
| 03:42.02 | abrotman | initech: until someone feeds me my own balls :) |
| 03:42.20 | deadcat | UberNewb: #kde |
| 03:42.27 | abrotman | waves even |
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| 03:43.54 | jetscreamer | you apply superglue to it? |
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| 03:44.17 | jetscreamer | or snot if it's really sticky |
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| 03:45.53 | jetscreamer | !record |
| 03:46.05 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 03:46.05 | dpkg | No, jetscreamer, you're not online any more. |
| 03:46.18 | jetscreamer | hey he's right |
| 03:46.22 | Vrkhans | i have a wireless router and i couldnt able to dial my dsl modem with my router |
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| 03:46.24 | Trev_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:46.42 | deadcat | Vrkhans: shouldnt you call your isp? |
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| 03:47.10 | UberNewb | xbindkeys exits whenever i click 'get key'... |
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| 03:48.14 | Vrkhans | i did they said call the router company |
| 03:48.28 | deadcat | UberNewb: heres a fucking easy way to take the damn screenshot. click <the kde start>, run, then typ scrot |
| 03:48.49 | UberNewb | don't have it |
| 03:48.53 | Vrkhans | and the company charge money for the service |
| 03:49.03 | blah22 | I need to assign some aliases for eth0 I have a range of IP addresses, what is the proper syntax for /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:49.34 | deadcat | blah22: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:49.39 | deadcat | UberNewb: you bullshiting me? |
| 03:49.52 | loke | deadcat = greycat? |
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| 03:49.57 | UberNewb | deadcat: command not found |
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| 03:50.05 | deadcat | loke: deadcat != greycat |
| 03:50.14 | loke | ? |
| 03:50.14 | deadcat | UberNewb: install scrot or just type import |
| 03:50.18 | UberNewb | er, 'could not run the specified command' |
| 03:50.19 | Vrkhans | i dont know what to do because i tried every thing |
| 03:50.34 | UberNewb | ah, import works |
| 03:50.42 | UberNewb | that's what i'm looking for |
| 03:50.42 | UberNewb | thx |
| 03:51.07 | Vrkhans | route does not able to detect the dsl modem |
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| 03:51.17 | Vrkhans | what could be the reason |
| 03:51.42 | blah22 | deadcat: I've already done the man interfaces not seeing the info there |
| 03:51.58 | deadcat | blah22: explain alias. |
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| 03:52.35 | blah22 | deadcat: I just need to assign like a range of IPs to some eth0, they can be like eth0:1, eth0:2 etc |
| 03:53.04 | deadcat | blah22: iface eth0:1 inet static doesnt work? |
| 03:53.24 | blah22 | deadcat: I was just trying to add it to like /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:53.33 | blah22 | so it would create it automagically |
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| 03:55.13 | deadcat | blah22: it works. auto eth0:1 and iface eth0:1 inet static |
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| 03:56.14 | blah22 | I am saying I was just thinking I should be able to add it in /etc/network/interfaces to the eth0 section and put like a line for the virtual interfaces in there |
| 03:56.17 | puff | Heya... I'm on one debian box, running screen. ssh to another debian box, try to run emacs, it gives me an error message: Terminal type screen.linux is not defined. |
| 03:56.33 | blah22 | .. it sounds like I need to add each eth0:1, eth0:2 etc though |
| 03:57.10 | uber_fish | puff, use vim o_0 |
| 03:57.24 | mwilson | puff: Yes, so? |
| 03:57.35 | mwilson | puff: Apparently it's not. Fix it. |
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| 03:57.56 | mwilson | puff: Provide it on the remote or tell screen to be something else on the local. |
| 03:58.07 | bob2 | don't use virtual interfaces |
| 03:58.17 | zignig | bob2: they are so usefull. |
| 03:58.28 | bob2 | ip addr eth0 add 1.2.3.4 |
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| 03:58.36 | bob2 | iproute 0wnz j00 |
| 03:58.49 | Leimy | does debian have a way to set the default "autotools" that get called? |
| 03:58.59 | Leimy | or is there an environment variable for that? |
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| 03:59.54 | UberNewb | when i take a screenshot with import, where does it go? |
| 04:00.13 | deadcat | UberNewb: ~ |
| 04:00.20 | UberNewb | hrm, i can't find it |
| 04:00.29 | UberNewb | is the default format .png? |
| 04:00.41 | deadcat | UberNewb: make a guess |
| 04:00.53 | UberNewb | apparently not |
| 04:01.55 | puff | mwilson I'd love to fix it, how would I do that? |
| 04:02.00 | UberNewb | it's not in ~ |
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| 04:02.18 | blah22 | bob2: well I need to add like IPs to eth0 (like 15 IPs), so how do I do that? |
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| 04:02.48 | UberNewb | it saves it automatically upon selecting the area, correct? |
| 04:03.04 | bob2 | blah22: did you read what I said? |
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| 04:03.18 | bob2 | for i in 1.2.3.4 5.6.7.8 9.10.11.12 ; do sudo ip addr eth0 add $i ; done |
| 04:03.21 | deadcat | UberNewb: yes goddamn you |
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| 04:03.31 | Arelius | Hey |
| 04:03.33 | UberNewb | then something's wrong, because there are no images there |
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| 04:04.11 | deadcat | UberNewb: cehck /tmp, find ~ -type f -iname "*png" |
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| 04:04.47 | jorgp_ | anyone setup websvn? I installed it but it complains that I need to set up a repository path in include/config.inc using $config->parentPath or $config->addRepository |
| 04:04.52 | jorgp_ | but they are set |
| 04:05.02 | Arelius | Debian has Apt-get correct? |
| 04:05.10 | bwlang | Arelius: yes |
| 04:05.18 | Arelius | How is the ATI support? |
| 04:05.19 | thu_ | yeah |
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| 04:05.26 | Arelius | 3D acceleration? |
| 04:05.36 | bwlang | Arelius: yes |
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| 04:05.48 | Gho5t | how long do arp entries last in linux |
| 04:06.40 | Arelius | bwlang: hmm? |
| 04:06.43 | UberNewb | not in temp, nor in ~ or it's subdirs |
| 04:06.47 | UberNewb | *tmp |
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| 04:06.54 | Shorty` | anyone here done a headless mp3 player with IR for input and LCDproc for output? |
| 04:06.54 | Roldyx | /join #lanux |
| 04:07.07 | coywolf | Guerin, do you use mplayer or gmplayer? |
| 04:07.10 | Arelius | gh05t: don't quite me on it, but I vaugly remember something like 120 mins |
| 04:07.15 | Arelius | quote |
| 04:07.16 | Gho5t | ok |
| 04:07.21 | Gho5t | that's a long time |
| 04:07.33 | Arelius | Yeah |
| 04:07.35 | Shorty` | Roldyx: was that aimed at me? |
| 04:07.36 | bwlang | gho5t: i think it's configurable.. |
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