| 00:00.06 | doublehp | doub how to know if it can be applied on living connections ? about shapered ... |
| 00:00.42 | Tchiak | YEAH! |
| 00:00.42 | Tchiak | sound ^^ |
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| 00:00.44 | DekaPrincess | I know that it doesn't -come- with Debian. ^^ |
| 00:00.44 | Tchiak | now if i can get it to play DVD's it's all good then |
| 00:00.53 | DekaPrincess | But I'm hoping that -it- will be able to run the one windows game I play, because Wine can't. :3 |
| 00:01.03 | Tchiak | ummm |
| 00:01.03 | Tchiak | odd |
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| 00:01.22 | Tchiak | the sound file sounds quirkey |
| 00:01.29 | Tchiak | lower levels are getting like almost mute |
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| 00:02.28 | kikoo_ | Why with "iptables -A INPUT -p all -d $IP -j LOG --log-level debug --log-prefix "testing log" I don't get anything in the log ? |
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| 00:03.16 | DekaPrincess | How do I unmount a CD? ^^ |
| 00:03.27 | nvz | DekaPrincess: umount /cdrom, usually |
| 00:03.33 | nvz | DekaPrincess: man umount |
| 00:03.37 | kikoo_ | umount /dev/cdrom |
| 00:03.40 | nvz | DekaPrincess: whats with all the lamerisims? |
| 00:03.50 | DekaPrincess | nvz: I'm new? :3 |
| 00:04.02 | nvz | DekaPrincess: I mean like the ^^ and stuff |
| 00:04.03 | Tchiak | wtf |
| 00:04.06 | Tchiak | MEEHHHHHHH |
| 00:04.15 | doub | doublehp: it's using iptables. maybe s/o knows better than me on this here... |
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| 00:04.25 | Tchiak | what is wrong with this thing and playing DVD's -_- |
| 00:04.39 | nvz | Tchiak: PEBKAC |
| 00:04.47 | Tchiak | bahhhh |
| 00:04.54 | Tchiak | it mounts it |
| 00:04.55 | DekaPrincess | I'm sorry. |
| 00:05.06 | Tchiak | but whenever it tries to show it the program crashes.. using totem btw |
| 00:05.09 | DekaPrincess | Bah, it says the CDrom is busy, but I'm not doing anything with it. |
| 00:05.24 | abrotman | DekaPrincess: get out of the CD directory |
| 00:05.27 | Tchiak | :P |
| 00:05.30 | abrotman | cd ~ |
| 00:05.45 | DekaPrincess | I'm not in it. |
| 00:05.45 | lunaphyte | abrotman: i missed your message from earlier - i sort of hobbled through the install process (businesscard), but i felt like things didn't go as they should have. i can't get past 'choose a mirror' without 'bad archive mirror' errors. |
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| 00:06.04 | doublehp | doub vho ? |
| 00:06.06 | abrotman | lunaphyte: i still recommend the 110MB Netinst image |
| 00:06.30 | lunaphyte | i'm burning it now |
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| 00:06.38 | abrotman | lunaphyte: heh :) |
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| 00:07.09 | nvz | DekaPrincess: install lsof and check with that |
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| 00:07.20 | paxetil | i've got this line in menu.lst "splashimage=/boot/grub/splashimages/grub-splash-debblue.xpm.gz" but doesn't appear nothing when booting |
| 00:07.34 | doublehp | I would like to change the priority of a pre established connection ... I d like to limit its rate .... to a given IP ... using IPTABLES or shapered, it looks like changes can only apply to new connections .. is there a way to apply them on running cnx ? |
| 00:07.41 | holo | i have one debian system with woody and another with sid.. the first i don't have lpinfo and the other one has.. they both have the same packages installed i think |
| 00:07.59 | holo | anyone know ? |
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| 00:08.06 | holo | wich package has this command? |
| 00:08.07 | abrotman | !find lpinfo |
| 00:08.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lpinfo' (2 shown): (/usr/sbin/lpinfo) in net/cupsys-client ;; (/usr/share/games/zangband/lib/help/helpinfo.txt) in non-free/games/zangband. |
| 00:08.14 | abrotman | !tell holo about search |
| 00:08.21 | abrotman | !find lpinfo woody |
| 00:08.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lpinfo' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/lpinfo) in net/cupsys. |
| 00:08.38 | abrotman | there you go |
| 00:08.44 | Tchiak | What info do you guys need for me to properly explain the problem i'm having Playing dvd's in Xfree? |
| 00:08.48 | holo | abrotman, ha! forgot dpkg, thanks abrotman |
| 00:09.28 | nvz | Tchiak: well see the problem then would be XFree86 does not play dvds, doesnt even have codecs or anything |
| 00:09.45 | Tchiak | well i'm using gnome and the video player Totem |
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| 00:09.46 | abrotman | GO SOX!! |
| 00:09.51 | Tchiak | to try and play them |
| 00:09.55 | rreK | none of the apt sources i try have libtcl... |
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| 00:10.00 | nvz | Tchiak: and? |
| 00:10.03 | rreK | does anyone know one that has it? |
| 00:10.09 | holo | grr, now this was lame. i was querying it as normal user certainly |
| 00:10.11 | nvz | and den... |
| 00:10.21 | afcpack | abrotman: flashing back to the old philly A's are we? :) |
| 00:10.23 | Tchiak | and when i try to play the DVD it loads it but puts a big ol blue screen where the picture should be and crashes |
| 00:11.02 | abrotman | afcpack: i miss those philly A's uniforms :) |
| 00:11.09 | abrotman | since i'm .. like 89 |
| 00:11.32 | nvz | Tchiak: well when you cannot get any info like that, a good thing to try is run the program from an xterm or something where you can see the programs stdout or stderr messages |
| 00:12.09 | Tchiak | @_@W |
| 00:12.12 | Tchiak | wtf? |
| 00:12.20 | nvz | that should at least give you some info about where in the process it dies and what signal it catches.. etc |
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| 00:12.44 | Tchiak | Invalid IFO for tite 2 (VTS_02_0.IFO). |
| 00:13.07 | Tchiak | then a whole bunch of iforead things crashin |
| 00:13.22 | Tchiak | Suspected RCE REgion Protection!!! |
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| 00:15.52 | brooman | Does anyone know if there are any servers that host 30r3?? |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | wtf is 30r3 |
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| 00:17.08 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:17.13 | abrotman | you mean 3.0r3 |
| 00:17.45 | rreK | where can i get a tcl deb? |
| 00:18.01 | abrotman | rreK: apt-get install tcl maybe? |
| 00:18.10 | doublehp | doub I have tried new connections, and it not better : i limitted 192.168.0.133 ( an other host in my network ) at 2k, and it can reach 3M .... |
| 00:18.11 | Matong | hello all, how is it possible to get autofs working like under windows(cdrom-op-switch will try to unmount the cdrom)? |
| 00:19.28 | lunaphyte | so netinst is kernel+base, all other packages must be downloaded, and businesscard is kernel only and even base must be downloaded? is that accurate? |
| 00:19.56 | troubled | anyone know why gluck.d.o would be trying to send me mail from random arsbank.com email addresses? |
| 00:20.05 | troubled | rather anyone who runs gluck here? |
| 00:20.48 | afcpack | fleh... helix player crippled :( |
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| 00:21.12 | Tetricus | sounds like spyware or some kind of virus |
| 00:21.19 | ctp | hi folks. anyone has a hint how i get my mouse slower? |
| 00:21.23 | obake | lunaphyte yes. something like that. |
| 00:21.38 | lunaphyte | ctp: move your hand slower :P |
| 00:21.44 | lunaphyte | obake: thanks |
| 00:21.48 | ctp | lunaphyte: :-) |
| 00:21.55 | thoreauputic | rreK: for the lib, try looking at tcllib ( apt-cache show tcllib ) |
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| 00:22.21 | ctp | lunaphyte: any other hints? i think it has sometthing to do with a high resolution of my mouse. |
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| 00:23.11 | lunaphyte | ctp: i probably should have kept my mouth shut - i have no idea.. |
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| 00:24.56 | ctp | lunaphyte: itīs ok if you could say me when they release sarge ;-) |
| 00:25.35 | doublehp | doub any alternative to shapered ? |
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| 00:26.06 | lunaphyte | ctp: say you? |
| 00:26.16 | Wyzard | ctp: I think there's a speed setting you can put in the X config |
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| 00:27.20 | Tchiak | wtf? |
| 00:27.30 | Tchiak | libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavialable |
| 00:27.30 | Tchiak | @_@ |
| 00:27.41 | Wyzard | Tchiak: You need to install libdvdcss |
| 00:27.41 | stew | ctp: man xset |
| 00:28.05 | Tchiak | where can i find that wyzard? |
| 00:28.20 | ctp | Wyzard: i tried to change the resolution in my xorg.conf but without effect :-( |
| 00:28.24 | Wyzard | Tchiak: from the same unofficial source as mplayer (which I assume is what you're trying to use) |
| 00:28.25 | stew | Tchiak: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 00:28.27 | ctp | stew: thx |
| 00:28.34 | Tchiak | no i' |
| 00:28.39 | Tchiak | i'm using a xine wrapper called totem |
| 00:28.59 | miked593 | exportfs -a - I get a "function not implemented" what's that about? how do I fix it? |
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| 00:30.36 | stew | miked593: do you have portmap and nfs-common started? |
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| 00:31.05 | stew | miked593: and nfs-{kernel,user}-server |
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| 00:31.56 | Tchiak | yes |
| 00:32.01 | Tchiak | dvd's work on it now ^^ |
| 00:32.12 | miked593 | I just restarted nfs-kernel-server to be sure, yes its running |
| 00:32.26 | stew | miked593: and the other two? |
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| 00:32.50 | miked593 | I just restarted nfs-common as well |
| 00:32.55 | miked593 | how do I check for portmapper? |
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| 00:33.10 | stew | miked593: /etc/init.d/portmap restart |
| 00:33.39 | miked593 | ok, everything is running then |
| 00:34.41 | miked593 | and I still get the function not implemented thingy |
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| 00:36.13 | stew | miked593: are you running a debian kernel or a kernel you compiled? |
| 00:36.25 | miked593 | debian kernel |
| 00:36.54 | stew | miked593: maybe you need to modprobe nfs/nfsd/exportfs |
| 00:37.34 | miked593 | can't locate module for any of those |
| 00:37.39 | miked593 | it says |
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| 00:38.20 | stew | miked593: uname -r |
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| 00:39.21 | pbook | has anyone tried mac on linux with debian? |
| 00:39.28 | thoreauputic | miked593: I found this a useful howto for NFS when I set it up: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/NFS-HOWTO/server.html |
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| 00:39.47 | stew | miked593: you are still running an install kenrel, aren't you |
| 00:40.02 | jharrison | anyone using kde have grainy looking fonts? |
| 00:40.22 | lunaphyte | if i'm doing a netinst install, the archive access method for would be http or ftp right? |
| 00:40.52 | stew | lunaphyte: yes |
| 00:41.14 | stew | jharrison: a lot of people have been complaining about fonts today and possible fontconfig borkage |
| 00:41.21 | abrotman | jharrison: friends don't let friends use kde :) |
| 00:41.21 | Tchiak | What package shoudl i use with debconf to configure my xserver? |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | Tchiak: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:41.42 | stew | Tchiak: xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:41.44 | jharrison | abrotman: I dont have many friends |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | jharrison: you left -ot again? |
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| 00:42.17 | jharrison | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | jharrison: did we upset you? |
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| 00:42.29 | jharrison | abrotman: no |
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| 00:43.19 | Tchiak | hehe |
| 00:43.20 | Tchiak | thanks |
| 00:43.25 | jharrison | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
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| 00:43.29 | palmax_gmailfs | Hello! |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | i'm a bad person |
| 00:43.35 | jharrison | why |
| 00:43.41 | palmax_gmailfs | room: do you have gmailfs? |
| 00:43.42 | stew | !comfort abrotman |
| 00:43.42 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 00:43.43 | jharrison | abrotman: why do you saythat? |
| 00:43.53 | abrotman | go sox go |
| 00:44.05 | afcpack | abrotman: BOOM! :) |
| 00:44.12 | abrotman | jharrison: will you run me over repeatedly with your car? |
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| 00:44.21 | jharrison | abrotman: no |
| 00:44.26 | jharrison | abrotman: why would I do that? |
| 00:44.26 | palmax_gmailfs | I have a problem with gmailfs, can you help me? |
| 00:44.33 | fabio | ciaooooooooooo |
| 00:44.33 | fabio | c'e' qualcuno ? |
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| 00:44.42 | abrotman | !italian |
| 00:44.43 | dpkg | from memory, italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:44.54 | abrotman | jharrison: for fun :) |
| 00:45.09 | palmax_gmailfs | Im searching a gmailfs user |
| 00:45.12 | palmax_gmailfs | :P |
| 00:45.14 | jharrison | abrotman: its not fun to bring others pain and suffering |
| 00:46.07 | jharrison | abrotman: unless they rape one of your loved ones or tryto kill one of your family members or something |
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| 00:46.10 | palmax_gmailfs | jharrison, abrotman, dpkg Holborn, ..: do you use gmailfs |
| 00:46.23 | jharrison | palmax_gmailfs: you relize dpkg is a bot right? |
| 00:46.25 | abrotman | no |
| 00:46.44 | abrotman | dpkg: how many fingers am i holding up? |
| 00:46.45 | dpkg | abrotman: i don't know |
| 00:46.50 | jharrison | !bot |
| 00:46.50 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 00:46.59 | palmax_gmailfs | jharrison, I dont understand you |
| 00:47.00 | stew | !gender |
| 00:47.00 | dpkg | I'm male |
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| 00:47.08 | jharrison | palmax_gmailfs: dpkg is not a real person |
| 00:47.11 | palmax_gmailfs | I have a problem becasuse |
| 00:47.14 | jharrison | palmax_gmailfs: dpkg is a program |
| 00:47.17 | palmax_gmailfs | ok! |
| 00:47.20 | palmax_gmailfs | yes |
| 00:47.20 | jharrison | !ok |
| 00:47.20 | dpkg | ok is, like, okay |
| 00:47.24 | abrotman | !what are you |
| 00:47.24 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:47.25 | palmax_gmailfs | to configure |
| 00:47.28 | palmax_gmailfs | !ok |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | palmax_gmailfs: we have no idea |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | none of us od |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | do |
| 00:47.37 | palmax_gmailfs | :S |
| 00:47.54 | palmax_gmailfs | dont you use gmail file system? |
| 00:47.55 | abrotman | i can't even think of a single person using gmailfs |
| 00:48.05 | abrotman | no .. i'm a spaz |
| 00:48.16 | jharrison | what is gmailfs? |
| 00:48.20 | abrotman | !gmailfs |
| 00:48.21 | palmax_gmailfs | gmail file system |
| 00:48.23 | DekaPrincess | Hmmm... How do I extract from rar files? ^^ |
| 00:48.23 | palmax_gmailfs | :D |
| 00:48.27 | abrotman | !gmail |
| 00:48.27 | dpkg | hmm... gmail is a web mail service from Google that is _still_ not supported by Konqueror.... http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php |
| 00:48.32 | abrotman | oh .. whatever |
| 00:48.34 | abrotman | stupid bot |
| 00:48.35 | palmax_gmailfs | DekaPrincess, the only thing is unrar |
| 00:48.39 | jharrison | DekaPrincess: what kind of rar files hhmmm? |
| 00:48.43 | palmax_gmailfs | but unrar is a privative software |
| 00:48.47 | abrotman | !gmailsmite palmax_gmailfs |
| 00:48.56 | jharrison | DekaPrincess: pirate! |
| 00:48.57 | palmax_gmailfs | JAJAJAJ |
| 00:48.59 | lunaphyte | how can i set an ip during base system configuration if i've already told it dhcp? |
| 00:49.00 | abrotman | !rar |
| 00:49.00 | dpkg | i heard rar is an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz ;), or unrar to unrar things, or the worst file format ever, designed by morons FFS, use split and cat like a sane person!, or (better get parchive too, lest your pr0n be incomplete) |
| 00:49.03 | fabio | I want to update my distro |
| 00:49.05 | fabio | apt-get upgrade or apt-get distr-upgrade ? |
| 00:49.08 | palmax_gmailfs | abrotman, I have a lot of invites |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | lunaphyte: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 00:49.15 | jharrison | DekaPrincess: try using unrar-nonfree |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | lunaphyte: or use etherconf if you need a 'gui' |
| 00:49.30 | jharrison | DekaPrincess: then you will be able to extract all your illegal warez |
| 00:49.30 | DekaPrincess | It's in 10 parts, filename.part01.rar etc... I just tried unrar filename.part01.rar and it gave me 'failed.' |
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| 00:49.48 | abrotman | lunaphyte: make sense? |
| 00:49.50 | fabio | elisa ? |
| 00:50.07 | DekaPrincess | ... Since when does rar = warez? |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | !italian |
| 00:50.10 | dpkg | hmm... italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 00:50.17 | Wyzard | DekaPrincess: If the subsequent parts end in ".r01", ".r02", etc. then it should find them automatically |
| 00:50.19 | palmax_gmailfs | abrotman, do you dont use gmailfs? |
| 00:50.20 | stew | DekaPrincess: you might need unrar-nonfree for newer version of .rar |
| 00:50.20 | jharrison | DekaPrincess: most the time it = warez |
| 00:50.29 | jharrison | DekaPrincess: not always though |
| 00:50.32 | abrotman | palmax_gmailfs: i don't fucking use gmailfs .. what part of that don't you understand? |
| 00:50.34 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:50.34 | palmax_gmailfs | room: dont anybody use gmailfs? |
| 00:50.36 | abrotman | god damnit |
| 00:50.40 | abrotman | !room |
| 00:50.41 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 00:50.41 | palmax_gmailfs | JEJEJEJ |
| 00:50.42 | stew | palmax_gmailfs: some people would define insane as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results |
| 00:50.44 | jharrison | what is gmailfs |
| 00:50.49 | afcpack | !anyone |
| 00:50.49 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:50.50 | abrotman | palmax_gmailfs: go away |
| 00:50.52 | Wyzard | jharrison: Warez groups use it because it compresses better than zip... better than bzip2 too, in some cases |
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| 00:51.01 | palmax_gmailfs | I dontknow... |
| 00:51.04 | palmax_gmailfs | ok |
| 00:51.07 | jharrison | Wyzard: thats fine |
| 00:51.07 | giuppi | are there debian packages for gtk 2.5? |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | giuppi: maybe experimetnal |
| 00:51.16 | palmax_gmailfs | I go away |
| 00:51.22 | abrotman | !info libgtk |
| 00:51.22 | jharrison | palmax_gmailfs: bye bye |
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| 00:51.34 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 00:51.40 | abrotman | !info libgtk2 |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | i give up |
| 00:52.01 | stew | giuppi: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:52.08 | afcpack | double fleh... helix player crippled and realplayer 10 still crashes |
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| 00:52.22 | giuppi | stew: of course they are not in main |
| 00:52.24 | lunaphyte | abrotman: etherconf is not on my system - how do i use /msg dkpg interfaces? |
| 00:52.29 | giuppi | nor in contib/non-free |
| 00:52.41 | abrotman | lunaphyte: there is a file .. /etc/networking/interfaces .. you edit it |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | lunaphyte: are you still in the middle of the install? |
| 00:52.58 | lunaphyte | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:53.09 | abrotman | lunaphyte: can't you choose to setup netowrking again? |
| 00:53.18 | lunaphyte | abrotman: i'm past the initial reboot- sorry |
| 00:53.18 | abrotman | does wichert hang out on freenode? |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | lunaphyte: then edit the interfaces file |
| 00:53.42 | lunaphyte | abrotman: ok |
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| 00:53.52 | lunaphyte | dumb question - what does /msg mean? |
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| 00:54.19 | abrotman | lunaphyte: in your irc window type '/msg dpkg interfaces' |
| 00:54.27 | abrotman | !tell lunaphyte about interfaces |
| 00:54.46 | abrotman | and you can talk with dpkg(the bot) in that little window |
| 00:55.02 | lunaphyte | oh - cool. thanks |
| 00:55.29 | Tchiak | >_> |
| 00:55.38 | kenboo | what is IX-2400 processor? Itanium 2.4G? |
| 00:55.51 | Tchiak | i know it can do 1600x1200 so why isn't it doing it -_- |
| 00:55.55 | kenboo | uh Xeon perhaps |
| 00:56.05 | abrotman | uh |
| 00:56.10 | abrotman | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:56.27 | kenboo | sorry it's Xeon. confirmed |
| 00:56.31 | stew | Tchiak: /var/log/Xfree86.log will tell you why |
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| 00:56.55 | Wyzard | Tchiak: How do you know? |
| 00:57.03 | Wyzard | Tchiak: (that it can do 1600x1200, that is) |
| 00:57.47 | Tchiak | cause it did it before |
| 00:57.56 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:58.00 | Tchiak | it's a geforce 4 ti 4200 going to a 19" monitor >_> |
| 00:58.07 | Wyzard | And what changed between "before" and "now" ? |
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| 00:58.07 | Tchiak | i would hope it coudl do 1600x1200 :P |
| 00:58.12 | Tchiak | 2.6.8 |
| 00:58.22 | Tchiak | it's not setting 1600 x 1200 for some reason |
| 00:58.29 | Wyzard | Something more than that must have changed... your kernel has nothing to do with the video modes available to X |
| 00:58.35 | Tchiak | :| |
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| 00:58.53 | Tchiak | i dunno |
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| 00:59.01 | abrotman | well .. there's the problem |
| 00:59.05 | Tchiak | maybe it's the 2.6.8 compatible Xwin that has the problem |
| 00:59.09 | abrotman | let's blame pbook |
| 00:59.23 | Wyzard | "2.6.8 compatible Xwin" ? |
| 00:59.25 | pbook | anyone running mol? |
| 00:59.29 | Tchiak | (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "800x600" |
| 00:59.29 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:59.29 | dpkg | ppc is, like, short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 00:59.30 | Wyzard | X isn't dependent on your kernel version either |
| 00:59.40 | Tchiak | yeah you know it updates all the X libraries when you change to sarge |
| 00:59.49 | Tchiak | and do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:59.57 | Wyzard | ah, so you've upgraded more than just your kernel |
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| 01:00.21 | Tchiak | well technically i installed in 2.2.20-idepci, then change apt to sarge, did a dist upgrade, installed 2.6.8 kernel |
| 01:00.27 | Tchiak | then isntalled the Xwin system |
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| 01:00.46 | abrotman | Tchiak: wait .. nvidia? |
| 01:00.48 | Tchiak | yes |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | #nvidia |
| 01:00.52 | Fallout | Hey all :) |
| 01:01.00 | pbook | hello |
| 01:01.12 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:01.12 | dpkg | i heard ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 01:01.19 | Fallout | Anyone like decent music here? Hehe |
| 01:01.35 | pbook | fallout: are you on ppc? |
| 01:01.36 | Radiance | i do |
| 01:01.37 | Wyzard | Fallout: Probably eveyone here would answer yes to that, but with different definitions of "decent" in min |
| 01:01.40 | Radiance | :-) |
| 01:01.41 | abrotman | Fallout: are you going to ask any debian related question? |
| 01:01.41 | Wyzard | *in mind |
| 01:02.08 | Radiance | Fallout, if you mean real music and not the wannabee-popstars of nowadays ;) |
| 01:02.21 | Fallout | Hehe, then you'll like these: http://www.machinaesupremacy.com |
| 01:02.39 | Fallout | And no its not mindless pop :) |
| 01:03.02 | Fallout | They're a practically un-heard of metal band |
| 01:03.16 | Fallout | And frankly.. they need more fans, hehe :) |
| 01:03.20 | afcpack | whew! |
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| 01:03.44 | abrotman | yay #crappymusicin#debian |
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| 01:03.58 | meff | anyone using marillat's repository know how to fix the Faac error when running mplayer? using the old ver for now.. |
| 01:04.05 | Fallout | If you're shallow minded then you wont click that link |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | Fallout: if i'm in #music . i might .. i'm in #debian |
| 01:04.35 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 01:04.45 | abrotman | Fallout: now .. have any debian stuff to talk about? |
| 01:05.08 | Fallout | I have no idea what debian is. :) I'm just remaining faithful to my faveourite band and helping them out |
| 01:05.14 | abrotman | get out of here |
| 01:05.15 | ugly | is there a way to make 'bc' *round* numbers after the decimal place instead of truncating when specifying the scale? |
| 01:05.16 | FieldySnuts | god will somebody +q him |
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| 01:05.26 | FieldySnuts | fucking spammers |
| 01:05.30 | Weeee | ugly bc -l (??) |
| 01:05.34 | ugly | Weeee: no |
| 01:05.39 | ugly | :P |
| 01:05.40 | abrotman | and there's a reason to not answer stupid people questions about music |
| 01:05.42 | Weeee | :P |
| 01:06.13 | FieldySnuts | he's spamming other channels as well, #freenode is now aware |
| 01:06.22 | nvz | does anyone know what it means when the kernel says ACPI: Unable to locate RSDP, and disables the interpreter? I am thinking its like there is an ACPI interpreter but there is no code in the BIOS, but does this mean then I cannot use ACPI functions? |
| 01:06.29 | meff | abrotman: every time i see this channel either you are greycat are talking.. do you guys ever sleep? ;) |
| 01:06.40 | ugly | meff: they're both bots, duh |
| 01:06.45 | meff | hah |
| 01:06.46 | Weeee | heheh |
| 01:06.48 | abrotman | meff: yes .. but only because my landlord can keep her dogs quiet from about 1am to 6am |
| 01:07.03 | abrotman | meff: and it's not buckabeer night :) |
| 01:07.06 | DekaPrincess | Yay, unrar-nonfree worked. Thanks, people. ^^ |
| 01:07.13 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
| 01:07.13 | dpkg | buckabeer is, like, time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 01:07.22 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 01:07.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: see :) |
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| 01:07.33 | meff | abrotman: oh god the neighbors behind my complex have dogs that bark all fucking day.. i've called the cops on em, no help.. any ideas? lol |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | meff: antifreeze? |
| 01:07.46 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, I can't relate directly since I don't drink, but at least I know what you're talking about :-) |
| 01:07.47 | stew | !any ideas |
| 01:07.47 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of herring, a little vegemite, and a dozen sex-crazed weasels. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:07.50 | Weeee | ugly, found a way to do it ? |
| 01:07.53 | Nosf3ratu | got a friend who can't boot to his new install |
| 01:07.56 | ugly | Weeee: no |
| 01:07.59 | meff | abrotman: sounds good to me.. now to find a method of application. |
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| 01:08.04 | Nosf3ratu | (god knows what he did) but he only gets LI... |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | !li |
| 01:08.10 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:08.19 | Nosf3ratu | i had him reboot to a sarge boot cdrom and ... yeah |
| 01:08.28 | Nosf3ratu | i'm doing that right now w/ him, abrotman. |
| 01:08.31 | Nosf3ratu | but he can't run lilo |
| 01:08.33 | stew | Nosf3ratu: /usr/share/doc/lilo/README.common.propblems (or something) |
| 01:08.35 | Nosf3ratu | it says he's missing libdevmapper. |
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| 01:08.42 | abrotman | meff: really .. she has two of them .. they don't like being left alone . they bark at everyhing .. they suck .. and both neighbors have dogs too . and they like to bark too |
| 01:08.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: you made it through 4 years of college with no drinking? |
| 01:09.00 | abrotman | and in PA no less |
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| 01:09.02 | Wyzard | abrotman: correct |
| 01:09.04 | abrotman | boggles the mind :) |
| 01:09.07 | Wyzard | abrotman: At Lehigh, no less ;-) |
| 01:09.20 | meff | abrotman: i feel for you man, truely.. me and my wife go through homicidal rages often towards them |
| 01:09.26 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, if he's missing libdevmapper.so...is there anything he can do? |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | Wyzard: you don't like booze at all? |
| 01:09.30 | Gumby-p4 | if I was wanting to stop my monitor from going into suspend mode, what would I add to lilo.conf ? I am pretty sure it has to do wiht acpi, I am just not sure what to edit |
| 01:09.39 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm just not particularly interested |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | meff: call spca |
| 01:09.53 | Nosf3ratu | Gumby-p4, turn it off in the bios. And xset dpms off |
| 01:09.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: you could still go with coworkers and drink soda |
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| 01:10.16 | abrotman | !find libdevmapper.so |
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| 01:10.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: You should see the picture from my 21st birthday |
| 01:10.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libdevmapper.so' (2 shown): (/lib/libdevmapper.so.1.00) in libs/libdevmapper1.00 ;; (/usr/lib/libdevmapper.so) in libdevel/libdevmapper-dev. |
| 01:10.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: lots of beer? |
| 01:10.25 | meff | abrotman: what could the spca do? |
| 01:10.31 | abrotman | meff: take the dogs |
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| 01:10.34 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:10.45 | Wyzard | you could say that |
| 01:10.55 | Nosf3ratu | He can't install that package from a rescue partition... |
| 01:11.01 | meff | abrotman: (sorry i know this isnt debian related) but did you call em on your neighbors dogs? |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | meff: no . i just got a new landlord .. |
| 01:11.20 | Nosf3ratu | would it be easier to just reinstall? |
| 01:11.25 | Nosf3ratu | he just installed yesterday |
| 01:11.25 | Gumby-p4 | Nosf3ratu: thx |
| 01:11.40 | Nosf3ratu | Gumby-p4, np |
| 01:12.15 | meff | abrotman: i'll look into the spca.. when these dogs arent barking their ass off, their kids are screaming murder.. antifreeze for that problem too? ;) |
| 01:12.23 | meff | ok back to debian discussion :P |
| 01:12.26 | abrotman | meff: i think so .. :) |
| 01:12.31 | abrotman | meff: ask the police what you can do |
| 01:13.01 | stew | meff: if they are outside dogs, calling the spca when they are outside and its particularly cold can be effective |
| 01:13.10 | lunaphyte | abrotman: i got the dogs too... :x |
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| 01:13.23 | meff | stew: im in austin texas.. 'cold' isnt a word here :/ |
| 01:13.38 | stew | meff: heh, ok. s/cold/hot/ :) |
| 01:14.04 | chealer | him what's the difference, as seen in synaptic, between packages that are "Upgradable" and "Upgradable (upstream)"? basically what means upstream? |
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| 01:14.14 | meff | more like, these dogs are in the backyard chained up barking non-stop all fucking day, even when their owners are home.. |
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| 01:14.20 | meff | anyways.. |
| 01:14.49 | abrotman | meff: texas .. lax gun laws .. shoot them? |
| 01:14.55 | abrotman | this is sad .. i love animals |
| 01:14.58 | meff | lol |
| 01:14.58 | abrotman | i hate yip dogs |
| 01:15.37 | lunaphyte | abrotman: it's the owners, not the dogs. even yip dogs can be cool if they're brought up right. |
| 01:15.38 | meff | too bad their backyard is towards my apartment's window in this complex ;/ |
| 01:16.15 | nvz | I have a VIA VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133] here and it seems it has 2 usb ports onboard, then like a total of 4 more plugging into the mobo in various places, and I have two VT82xxxxx USB controllers on my PCI bus fighting over irq 12, I am not sure what to do :-/ |
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| 01:16.18 | abrotman | lunaphyte: that is true .. but the majority are not |
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| 01:16.33 | abrotman | nvz: disable one |
| 01:16.44 | lunaphyte | abrotman: true |
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| 01:17.09 | abrotman | now they start again |
| 01:17.10 | nvz | abrotman: bah ;) |
| 01:17.11 | abrotman | fucking dogs |
| 01:17.27 | abrotman | !punish abrotman's landlord's dogs |
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| 01:18.04 | lunaphyte | i didn't know penquins liked dog balls |
| 01:18.13 | abrotman | they taste like fish |
| 01:18.14 | meff | they're silent here right now.. probably cause its raining and they're hiding and shit |
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| 01:19.13 | meff | all this talk is reminding me of neuticles :P |
| 01:19.20 | aaronluke | kinky |
| 01:19.24 | abrotman | !qotd40 |
| 01:19.24 | dpkg | well, qotd40 is abrotman| nt pattern matches my left testicle |
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| 01:19.45 | npx | hi #debian |
| 01:20.06 | meff | yay, 1.0pr hit sid today.. now all my extensions work again |
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| 01:20.30 | meff | for some reason it was borked in .93 |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | btw .. NL baseball stinks |
| 01:21.13 | npx | 1.0pr2 I think was all goofed up on my win2k box |
| 01:21.28 | npx | shit, did I say that? |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | #debian :) |
| 01:22.18 | meff | are there any extensions for firefox that let you do like .. gg: and dict: and fm: like in konq? |
| 01:23.01 | meff | one thing i miss.. i dislike the seperate search box.. rather just do a gg: |
| 01:23.02 | abrotman | opera has those |
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| 01:23.07 | abrotman | oh .. no .. seperate boxes |
| 01:23.08 | initech | but opera blows |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | i like it |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | you're from LA .. all you know is food :) |
| 01:23.20 | hacim | galeon still rocks |
| 01:23.21 | initech | opera is an ad blaster |
| 01:23.32 | initech | abrotman: bah! |
| 01:23.33 | hacim | I'm thinking of switching from firefox back to galeon :( |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | initech: buy it? |
| 01:23.41 | meff | last time i used galeon it was soo crash happy |
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| 01:23.47 | hacim | firefox doesn't save my tabs if the browser crashes |
| 01:23.53 | abrotman | initech: dunno .. i've been using it for a while .. the ads don't bother me anymore |
| 01:23.56 | initech | galeon gained a lot of weight since 2000 |
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| 01:24.08 | hacim | meff: exactly, the firefox tab extentions jsut caused firefox to get more buggy |
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| 01:24.21 | initech | konq works good for me, aside from the occaissional css/javascript fuck up |
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| 01:24.47 | meff | i haven't had firefox crash on me unless i go to a really fucked up page.. |
| 01:25.00 | Ober | firefox js seems to suck |
| 01:25.17 | droopy | meff I scroll funny and it borks |
| 01:25.30 | meff | how do you scroll funny? |
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| 01:25.49 | chealer | firefox crashes several times a day since about 3 days, I wonder what I should do, all extensions are deactivated now |
| 01:25.52 | droopy | meff :)~ slow...then fast |
| 01:25.57 | initech | meff: unfortunately all the corporate web sites (time sheets, shit like that) are built for IE or are so poorly designed they don't work for shit |
| 01:25.59 | npx | meff I think if he knew that he'd stop doing it... |
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| 01:26.33 | initech | chealer: stop using sid ;) or be patient and wait for sarge |
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| 01:26.42 | meff | initech: yeah, unfortunately thats a problem of not using standards, or eh.. using 'microsoft standards' .. |
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| 01:26.50 | abrotman | chealer: or stop using firefox |
| 01:27.11 | droopy | I want to dump the cable ISP what are the differences between all the different T1 T3 lines |
| 01:27.22 | initech | e.g., i am using mutt right now cause kmail in sid is completely fucked |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | droopy: how much can you spend a month? |
| 01:27.29 | meff | droopy: a lot of money ;) |
| 01:27.44 | abrotman | !T1 |
| 01:27.44 | dpkg | t1 is probably Two pairs of copper wire that carry data at a rate of 1.544 Mbps. T1 lines are used to carry 24 DS-0 signals. They can be used to carry 24 phone lines or an Internet connection capable of 1.544 Mbps data transfer. See also fractional T1.. Broadband for Real Men |
| 01:27.46 | abrotman | !t3 |
| 01:27.46 | dpkg | t3 is, like, 28 T1 lines together make up a T3, which can carry 672 separate voice channels or up to 44.736 Mbps data throughput. Many large Internet providers brag of about having T3 backbones. |
| 01:28.05 | abrotman | droopy: in .us .. a T1 is probably at least $300/month |
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| 01:28.12 | rich_ | droopy well to start with, around $1500 us per month, plus a per packet charge |
| 01:28.13 | initech | err, they might brag about OC-3 + |
| 01:28.15 | abrotman | not to mention local loop etc |
| 01:28.23 | meff | abrotman: how do i see how many factoids dpkg has? |
| 01:28.25 | abrotman | rich_:T1 isn't that much |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | !stats |
| 01:28.32 | dpkg | Since Tue Oct 12 06:14:54 2004, there have been 184 modifications, 7564 questions, 1832 dunnos, 27 morons and 2510 commands. I have been awake for 14d 19h 13m 37s this session, and currently reference 24595 factoids. I'm using about 17664 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2773.02/136.52 child 2852.59/240.69 |
| 01:28.35 | meff | danke |
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| 01:28.39 | droopy | abrotman I pay 55.03 for cable that is shaped everyything is blocked and I get ten real channels |
| 01:28.40 | abrotman | meff: do you want them? |
| 01:28.47 | initech | abrotman: T1 (full) can be had for $200/month US |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | initech: who? |
| 01:29.06 | droopy | How much is satelite |
| 01:29.07 | initech | Cox, for one |
| 01:29.07 | meff | abrotman: the factoids? |
| 01:29.11 | tcsetattr | it depends a lot on your location. Here (Indiana) a full T1 is at least $1000/month |
| 01:29.12 | abrotman | meff: yes |
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| 01:29.25 | meff | abrotman: isnt dpkg just blootbot? |
| 01:29.39 | rich_ | Maybe initech will only charge you $200, but I wont do it for less than $1500 :) |
| 01:29.43 | initech | abrotman: but the cable is actually faster, way faster. it's artificially reduced |
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| 01:29.51 | iceman | isnt that kind of old? leasing telephone lines for broadband.. |
| 01:29.56 | stew | initech: who sells T1's for 200/month? |
| 01:30.07 | abrotman | initech: i'd like to see those prices .. i don't believe it |
| 01:30.14 | stew | initech: i'll take 10 |
| 01:30.16 | initech | stew: Cox routinely does so, resells Bell T1's for about that |
| 01:30.16 | abrotman | initech: cheapest i've ever seen is $300 .. |
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| 01:30.27 | dbron | initech: that's bs |
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| 01:30.41 | initech | dbron: since i worked for them i doubt it's BS |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | rich_: you're full of it too |
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| 01:30.45 | stew | initech: with an sla? |
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| 01:30.53 | abrotman | rich_: if you're paying $1500 .. you're getting seriously ripped |
| 01:30.54 | meff | a cable co reselling a bell co ? blasphemy. |
| 01:30.56 | droopy | Has anyone messed with satelite |
| 01:30.59 | jharrison | full of what? |
| 01:31.01 | rich_ | abrotman If youll do it cheaper, thats great |
| 01:31.04 | jharrison | SHIT? |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | droopy: shitty latency |
| 01:31.06 | iceman | of course you have a fast upstream, but where I live a 24/1 mbit adsl is lite $40 a month. that seems kind of better for a regular consumer |
| 01:31.08 | rich_ | I dont need the work |
| 01:31.15 | initech | stew: sla? |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | rich_: what .us state are you in? |
| 01:31.25 | rich_ | abrotman oregon |
| 01:31.30 | tcsetattr | more to the point, how big a city do you live in |
| 01:31.31 | stew | initech: service level agreement |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: how much is a T1 in oregon |
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| 01:31.50 | rich_ | salem, oregon, its lower mid-sized |
| 01:31.55 | initech | stew: meaning a guarantee that it is up? |
| 01:31.56 | tcsetattr | try getting a T1 to a town of population < 20,000 for less than $1000/month |
| 01:32.03 | relex | hello. is there anywhere online where i can find old debian packages (specifically firefox .92) |
| 01:32.06 | jharrison | t1 here is 600 bucks a month or so |
| 01:32.08 | stew | initech: yeah, they are pretty standard with a t1 |
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| 01:32.13 | droopy | abrotman Is there anything else then dsl and the electric companies?? |
| 01:32.19 | abrotman | rich_: you're getting seriously ripped off |
| 01:32.24 | rich_ | Oh and Im supposed to work for free? Rent in this town costs $500 |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | rich_: do you sell them? |
| 01:32.42 | initech | stew: yes, but Cox was having to give refunds somewhat often. They were not very reliable |
| 01:32.53 | abrotman | droopy: dsl,cable,satellite,T,dialup,fttp |
| 01:32.56 | rich_ | abrotman No, but I will for $1500 us a month |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman | droopy: wireless |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | rich_: then what do you know? |
| 01:33.07 | Tchiak | (ii) NVIDIA(0): Not using mode "1600x1200" (no mode of this name) wtf |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | rich_: have you ever bought one? |
| 01:33.30 | rich_ | abrotman I know I want $1500 us a month. Is that so wrong? |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | rich_: i've worked for various companies .. done a fair share .. never even seen one go over $800 |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | and that was years ago |
| 01:33.55 | droopy | abrotman dsl less messed with than cable? |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | rich_: why do you want $1500 ? .. you dont' even sell them |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | droopy: debateable .. depends on your ISP |
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| 01:34.22 | debian_ | does ssh.com sell ssh that is compatbile to openssh? |
| 01:34.25 | rich_ | abrotman I would sell one for that much money. |
| 01:34.45 | abrotman | rich_: so you really have no idea how much a T costs in oregon do you? |
| 01:34.59 | debian_ | well, I can't defend my position against the decision to purchase something from ssh.com that are otherwise be 'free'. |
| 01:35.14 | iceman | I could rent an smaller apartment here with 10mbit ethernet, and manage both rent and broadband for the price of a T1 |
| 01:35.20 | nvz | debian_: this isnt ssh.com's support channel, what are you talking about? |
| 01:35.22 | droopy | abrotman I don't want the phone want to use sip...my cable can't keep up with mldonkey running (skype?!?) |
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| 01:35.35 | droopy | sip |
| 01:35.56 | rich_ | abrotman I guess it goes up and down and I checked a few years ago. I think that if you want the job, yould be better off to make a bid, rather than by questioning your competitors abilities. |
| 01:36.09 | initech | Cox used to have the cable modems wide open at 10Mbs up/down at one point |
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| 01:36.35 | abrotman | rich_: wtf are you babbling about? .. do you know what it costs to get a T1 from verizon or PacBell or not? |
| 01:36.39 | holo | i'm having problems with fonts in gnome (using sid), they appear very small in many applications. maybe some font fallback becouse i don't have some font package installed. any ideas? |
| 01:37.00 | rich_ | abrotman I told you what Id charge. How much would you charge? |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | rich_: how much does it cost you to procure one .. this is not a trick question damn it |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | rich_: if you needed to get a T1 .. how much would your company pay? |
| 01:37.35 | initech | rich_: i would charge $5,000/month, and levy fines of up to 5 billion for complaints |
| 01:37.35 | droopy | initech Time Warner sells wide open (ports) for 59. Its what they use to give a way for free. |
| 01:37.37 | rich_ | abrotman iT WOULD COST ME TIME. |
| 01:37.44 | abrotman | rich_: you're being a fucking asshole |
| 01:37.54 | rich_ | oops sorry for the caps |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | rich_: answer the question . it's not hard |
| 01:38.01 | FieldySnuts | dick |
| 01:38.18 | abrotman | rich_: if you call PacBell ... how much is a T1 .. in monetary terms |
| 01:38.25 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i am |
| 01:38.31 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:38.47 | FieldySnuts | welcome to #debian |
| 01:38.53 | rich_ | abrotman Whats your problem? Trying to chisle the price down? If you think Im asking too much, then maybe you should ask less. |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | rich_: you are truly a moron |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | rich_: you really really are dumb aren't you? |
| 01:39.20 | relex | hello. is there anywhere online where i can find old debian packages (specifically firefox .92) |
| 01:39.29 | abrotman | !snapshot |
| 01:39.30 | dpkg | i heard debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 01:39.32 | rich_ | abrotman Why? Because I charge too much? |
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| 01:39.39 | droopy | abrotman your running T3?? Right |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | rich_: because you can't answer the question |
| 01:39.47 | FieldySnuts | yeah right. |
| 01:39.55 | rich_ | abrotman You mean for free? |
| 01:39.55 | stew | initech: cox doesn't sell t1's they sell cable at t1 speeds. big difference |
| 01:39.58 | abrotman | droopy: almost noone has a T3 .. unless you know you need it .. you dont' get it |
| 01:40.01 | FieldySnuts | and I've got an OC48 in my house. |
| 01:40.03 | abrotman | rich_: you're an idiot |
| 01:40.05 | nvz | I think my APIC is mentally retarded.. |
| 01:40.13 | holo | xfonts |
| 01:40.14 | initech | stew: they resell Bell South T1's as well |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | rich_: you can't even answer the question |
| 01:40.22 | holo | xfonts-artwiz is crucial? |
| 01:40.26 | rich_ | abrotman Well you know, if you dont want an answer, you dont have to ask |
| 01:40.27 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: is that it? |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | rich_: why can't you tell me the price of a T1 from PacBell? you don't know? |
| 01:40.49 | tcsetattr | abrotman, you can't just ask for a T1 and get a price. you have to give the address. then 2 days later the telco finally gives you a price for the loop. |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | $1500 .. idiot |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | tcsetattr: you can get a rough guess .. i know they have the local loop charge |
| 01:41.04 | FieldySnuts | that's true of T3's and above, T1's you can readily get the prices. |
| 01:41.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: install a T1 where? |
| 01:41.11 | tcsetattr | if you're installing a T1 on somebody's farm because it's in the middle of nowhere and can't get cable, it'll be expensive. |
| 01:41.12 | chealer | initech: I'm not using sid, I'm using sarge (0.9.3) |
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| 01:41.21 | abrotman | but jesus . unless you're 25 miles from a CO . i can't imagine it costing $1500 |
| 01:41.26 | rich_ | abrotman Why should I? And frankly I dont like your tone so go fuck yourself you little piece of shit. |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | per month |
| 01:41.31 | FieldySnuts | it'd be a hell of a lot more |
| 01:41.31 | initech | chealer: apt-listbugs, reportbug |
| 01:41.32 | tcsetattr | I've never got anybody to give me a same-day T1 quote |
| 01:41.32 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there's no way anyone can give you a price without knowing the loop length... |
| 01:41.36 | FieldySnuts | rich_: sto being a kiddy. |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | rich_: thank you .. have a nice day |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i realize this . but when is the last time you saw a T1 for $1500 |
| 01:41.54 | rich_ | FieldySnuts He started it. You want some? |
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| 01:42.06 | FieldySnuts | no just a +q for you, i'd pay for one |
| 01:42.12 | DekaPrincess | Thank you. |
| 01:42.18 | initech | i can't believe you guys are arguing about the price of T1's |
| 01:42.18 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: the last time I priced them they were in that range... |
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| 01:42.21 | abrotman | rich_: really .. it was an easy question .. you kept being a dick |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: does pacbell rape everyone? |
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| 01:42.37 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i can get a full T for $600 |
| 01:42.44 | abrotman | probsably $450 |
| 01:42.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: although, they've probably gotten cheaper since then. There's no such thing as pacbell anymore, anyway. |
| 01:43.10 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but there is obviously a base charge |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | + local loop |
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| 01:43.43 | droopy | How many Mbps is T1 |
| 01:43.49 | abrotman | !T1 |
| 01:43.49 | dpkg | it has been said that t1 is Two pairs of copper wire that carry data at a rate of 1.544 Mbps. T1 lines are used to carry 24 DS-0 signals. They can be used to carry 24 phone lines or an Internet connection capable of 1.544 Mbps data transfer. See also fractional T1.. Broadband for Real Men |
| 01:43.49 | stew | droopy: 1.5 |
| 01:44.02 | FieldySnuts | 1.544 |
| 01:44.10 | FieldySnuts | or was it 1.554, hell i forget. |
| 01:44.15 | FieldySnuts | either way, shitty |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | droopy: it's rpobably not worth the price |
| 01:44.25 | FieldySnuts | no, it's not. |
| 01:44.37 | droopy | abrotman is it bandwidth or something? |
| 01:44.37 | abrotman | droopy: i hope you're not in oregon .. they apparently require your first born there |
| 01:44.42 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 01:44.48 | FieldySnuts | dumbass |
| 01:44.48 | lunaphyte | who in their right mind would even want a t1 these days, given an alternative? |
| 01:44.53 | abrotman | droopy: my bandwidth on a T at work is slower than cable |
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| 01:44.57 | abrotman | my home cable |
| 01:45.00 | karrot-x | sdsl 1.5 is a much better bang for the buck then a T1 |
| 01:45.04 | FieldySnuts | down yes. up doubtful |
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| 01:45.16 | initech | it isn't the price, it's the reliability you pay for ... although there's little reason cable could not be as reliable as a T1, just bullshit |
| 01:45.20 | FieldySnuts | what you're generally paying for with a T1 is dedicated, that is to say, it's guaranteed to be up |
| 01:45.26 | FieldySnuts | beat me to it |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | yay QOS aggreements |
| 01:45.34 | droopy | karrot-x I think I can get adsl?? |
| 01:45.35 | FieldySnuts | no kidding |
| 01:45.39 | rf | is there a way to restart X without rebooting ? |
| 01:45.54 | droopy | rf ctrl-alt-del |
| 01:45.55 | karrot-x | droopy: what? |
| 01:45.55 | gravity | rf: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 01:45.55 | thoreauputic | rf: yes of course |
| 01:45.59 | FieldySnuts | log out... |
| 01:46.02 | FieldySnuts | this isn't windows. |
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| 01:46.18 | droopy | What is sdsl compared to adsl |
| 01:46.21 | FieldySnuts | if you're using a dm or something, log out, get back to that, ctl-alt-backspace wait for it to come back |
| 01:46.22 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: there's a bunch of different charges, actually... really depends what you're talking about. The bandwidth for the thing isn't all that expensive... |
| 01:46.45 | FieldySnuts | droopy: it varies wildly depending on the area. but sdsl usually has equal up and downstream, adsl has much greater down than upstream |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: there are charges .. but they all stay flat except local loop |
| 01:46.57 | lunaphyte | sdsl usually means up and down are the same - adsl has different up/down rates - but it depends on who you ask. |
| 01:46.59 | karrot-x | droopy: sdsl is symetrical dsl, it's 1.5/1.5 and is full duplex, adsl is half duplex, and can not have sync'd speeds |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | http://covad.com/products/access/t1/pricing.shtml |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | like that |
| 01:47.04 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 01:47.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: depends on the contract... |
| 01:47.05 | rich_ | I still say I wouldnt do it for less than $2000 a month. Its going to require more pot than I first estimated. |
| 01:47.22 | rich_ | :) |
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| 01:47.23 | abrotman | rich_: you'd be out of business faster than shit in a mexican restaurant |
| 01:47.25 | stew | droopy: sdsl often has lower ping times and possibly an sla and is a lot more expensive than adsl |
| 01:47.36 | droopy | Cool. |
| 01:47.51 | karrot-x | speakeasy.net's sdsl 1.5 is i thin $200 or $300, their same t1 for that speed is $500-600 |
| 01:47.51 | rich_ | What? $2500 a month is too much? |
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| 01:48.01 | abrotman | rich_: shut up |
| 01:48.06 | droopy | stew is there a national ISP |
| 01:48.15 | tcsetattr | Verizon sells an ADSL 1.5/1.5 package, also an ADSL 768/768. Same speed both ways, but they don't call it "SDSL" in the literature |
| 01:48.44 | stew | droopy: dslreports.com is chock full of info |
| 01:50.00 | FieldySnuts | and disinfo |
| 01:50.11 | mree3 | ? verizon has verizon has: 39.95 for 5MB/2MB, $49.95 for 15MB/2MB, and $199.95 for 30MB/5MB |
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| 01:51.00 | tcsetattr | ok, guess I haven't looked lately. |
| 01:51.07 | kruzi | im on 1.5/256k here which is $99/m AUD which is about $70USD. no usage limits. |
| 01:51.12 | karrot-x | sdsl is also a leased line i believe |
| 01:51.13 | droopy | mree3 5 up 2 down? |
| 01:51.18 | mree3 | yes |
| 01:51.38 | mree3 | http://www.verizon.net/fios/ |
| 01:51.45 | mree3 | fiber to your house |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | you wish :) |
| 01:52.05 | JOn_k | christ sun machines should have a big warning on login saying that kilall doesn't do the same as in linux |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | JOn_k: uhm .. duh? it's solaris? |
| 01:52.27 | abrotman | read the man page? |
| 01:52.28 | karrot-x | JOn_k: if by sun machines you mean solaris |
| 01:52.29 | initech | JOn_k: lol |
| 01:52.31 | spotteddog | verizon can't handle the voice net, I don't trust them with data (esp. not fiber) |
| 01:52.34 | rich_ | JOn_k do tell. What does it do? |
| 01:52.43 | tcsetattr | rich_, man killall5 |
| 01:52.46 | initech | JOn_k: don't unplug the keyboard either |
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| 01:53.02 | abrotman | JOn_k: especiallly .. no stop-A |
| 01:53.03 | droopy | How do I get a telephone line cheap for verizon? |
| 01:53.10 | JOn_k | heh... |
| 01:53.15 | abrotman | no stop-a |
| 01:53.16 | abrotman | !!! |
| 01:53.17 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 01:53.21 | abrotman | dpkg: sorry |
| 01:53.21 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 01:53.27 | chealer | initech: how to use apt-listbugs for mozilla-firefox? can you introduce me to it with an example? |
| 01:53.33 | rich_ | tcsetattr I know what it does in debian, is that what it does in sun? |
| 01:53.43 | abrotman | in solaris .. and no |
| 01:53.48 | JOn_k | it shuts the system down |
| 01:53.50 | initech | chealer: apt-listbugs list mozilla-firefox |
| 01:53.53 | tcsetattr | Linux's killall5 is sysv killall. what it does: kills every process. Every process. It ignores whatever you tell it to do through command line arguments. (It doesn't consider extra command lien arguments a usage error, it just fscking ignores them and kills everything.) |
| 01:54.09 | chealer | initech: sorry, I got it too late :| |
| 01:54.12 | abrotman | JOn_k: iirc .. you can `killall `hostname`` in linux .. and the system goes down |
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| 01:54.21 | rich_ | tcsetattr I see. thanks. |
| 01:54.51 | rich_ | JOn_k yea I can see how that would be suprisinging |
| 01:55.05 | tcsetattr | sysv people refuse to consider that a bug and fix it to emit a usage error if there are extra arguments (as in "killall inetd"). |
| 01:55.06 | droopy | THANKS ALL:)~ |
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| 01:55.33 | pcman | hi |
| 01:55.35 | JOn_k | well that should be a sin ;] |
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| 01:55.44 | abrotman | tcsetattr: maybe it's like an idiot tax? |
| 01:55.45 | pcman | where can i download sarge |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 01:55.51 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, or but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 01:55.58 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:56.02 | tcsetattr | it's definitely a bad thing to ignore command line arguments. If your program doesn't want any arguments, then the user supplying them is a sign of trouble |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | tcsetattr: don't read the man page .. suffer the consequences? |
| 01:56.13 | FieldySnuts | #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 01:56.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:56.32 | rich_ | I guess its something you would figure out the first time you used it |
| 01:56.37 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: uh, and there's a reason why it says "Kill all processes?" in the manpage |
| 01:56.47 | tcsetattr | abrotman, sysv killall predates the Linux killall, so they consider the Linux command misnamed. This makes it a religious issue of "you stole our command name and made it do something different" |
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| 01:57.03 | abrotman | tcsetattr: and? .. they're wrong? |
| 01:57.28 | nvz | ok is DRM in the kernel required to use an X driver with accell? |
| 01:57.38 | tcsetattr | well, they're not wrong about that. But even so, it is bad to process with execution when the user's command line is invalid (contains excess arguments) |
| 01:57.44 | nvz | I notice there are not any nvidia DRM modules in my kernel |
| 01:57.49 | tcsetattr | s/process/proceed/ |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | tcsetattr: well .. perhaps .. but "It's always been that way" :) |
| 01:58.41 | tcsetattr | the religious issue of "we were first, we shouldn't have to change" obscures the more practical issue of verifying the command line |
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| 01:58.57 | chealer | initech: my bug's not there, but it's just a crash...how to know it's not already reported by someone else? 0.9 is not the latest version of firefox anyway... |
| 01:59.07 | GmLB | Major problem... I just did a dist-upgrade from stable to testing |
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| 01:59.14 | GmLB | and now Lilo only goes so far as "li" |
| 01:59.15 | abrotman | tcsetattr: true .. but wouldnt' you rather solaris goes away? |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | !li |
| 01:59.22 | FieldySnuts | i would i would |
| 01:59.22 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:59.48 | initech | chealer: go through the bts and look for something that matches, if nothing, report a bug i guess |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | i like solaris |
| 02:00.04 | rich_ | I dont know, solaris x86 is free. Free is a very good price |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | if i could do solaris and debian all day .. i'd be a happy man |
| 02:00.12 | tcsetattr | abrotman, they keep hinting about releasing Solaris under a free license... maybe Debian userland on a Solaris kernel will be nice :) |
| 02:00.13 | FieldySnuts | solaris x86 is also nuts slow |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | rich_: so is solaris for sparc |
| 02:00.19 | GmLB | only for x86 |
| 02:00.24 | GmLB | and solaris 10 makes that a lot better |
| 02:00.27 | abrotman | the ownership of SPARC is your license for Solaris |
| 02:00.28 | FieldySnuts | no it doesn't |
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| 02:00.39 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 02:00.45 | FieldySnuts | eat it boy. |
| 02:00.49 | GmLB | ...and the "Zones" in solaris 10 are probably the coolest thing I've ever seen |
| 02:00.51 | abrotman | eat it .. nm |
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| 02:01.02 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it truly does |
| 02:01.08 | FieldySnuts | negative, sailor |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | it does |
| 02:01.32 | FieldySnuts | is this the 5 minutes, or the full half hour? |
| 02:02.00 | Pythos | just the 5 minutes, thanks |
| 02:02.11 | FieldySnuts | but you didn't pay. |
| 02:02.18 | TCW | I don't get it... how can I see if I use alsa or oss? |
| 02:02.21 | thoreauputic | yes he did! |
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| 02:02.23 | Pythos | did, did did |
| 02:02.24 | FieldySnuts | no, he didn't |
| 02:02.26 | FieldySnuts | did not |
| 02:02.31 | thoreauputic | di so |
| 02:02.36 | abrotman | 5 dolla? |
| 02:02.37 | thoreauputic | did so! |
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| 02:02.39 | FieldySnuts | i'm just arguing on my spare time |
| 02:02.42 | chealer | initech: it's so obvious that a package like firefox won't be crash-proof...hum...what to report anyway, that it crashes regularly (how imprecise)? |
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| 02:03.21 | loke | what do i have to change in the ftp conf file if a ls command works on my lan but not on the wan? |
| 02:03.57 | TCW | gstreamer is set to alsa (oss is not an option there), sound through esd does work but the gnome mixer fails completely |
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| 02:04.55 | loke | anybody? |
| 02:05.11 | loke | could the router be focking it up? |
| 02:05.17 | stew | loke: change from using active to passive ftp |
| 02:05.18 | loke | my linksys piece of shit? |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | c'est possible |
| 02:05.30 | loke | stew in the conf? |
| 02:05.41 | stew | loke: in the client |
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| 02:05.48 | stew | loke: is either the client or server behind nat? |
| 02:05.58 | loke | the server is behind nat |
| 02:06.11 | loke | stew? |
| 02:06.31 | stew | loke: then its probably the pos router, and you should see if you can turn off active in the server |
| 02:06.42 | loke | ok |
| 02:07.03 | loke | stew, so i want passive in the client and server? |
| 02:07.17 | stew | loke: if either is configured for passibe you will be okay |
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| 02:07.22 | stew | s/b/v/ |
| 02:07.27 | loke | k |
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| 02:08.29 | loke | hey stew, i dont see any passive line in the conf? |
| 02:11.09 | tcsetattr | passive mode ftp can only be requested by the client. The server can't initiate it. |
| 02:11.15 | loke | k |
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| 02:11.39 | loke | tcsetattr then why would i have problems with the ls command on the wan but ok on the lan? |
| 02:11.43 | loke | my linksys router? |
| 02:11.59 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know why "zoo"'s and "compress"'s documentation say their packages have been moved to the "main" section, but "dpkg -s (zoo|ncompress) | grep Section" reports that both are in "non-free"? |
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| 02:12.56 | abrotman | !info zoo woody |
| 02:12.58 | abrotman | !info zoo |
| 02:12.58 | dpkg | zoo: (manipulate archives of files in compressed form), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 2.10-9 (woody), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 02:13.05 | dpkg | zoo: (manipulate zoo archives), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.10-11 (sid), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 02:13.13 | AaronMCouture | could someone explain how to setup a mail server (one that sends and recieves mail) |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: that's a loaded question |
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| 02:13.39 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: do you have a mailserver picked out yet? |
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| 02:13.45 | Thanatermesis | !dpkg |
| 02:13.46 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 02:13.47 | tcsetattr | loke, NAT is a pile of kludges that breaks things. FTP is one of the things that it breaks most often. |
| 02:13.50 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: i heard postfix and exim |
| 02:13.51 | Thanatermesis | !p2p |
| 02:13.51 | dpkg | it has been said that p2p is peer to peer. Power to the People |
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| 02:13.59 | ioerror | what happened to the package 'lame' ? |
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| 02:14.16 | loke | tcsetattr ok |
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| 02:14.23 | ioerror | I cannnot encode mp3s with grip on a fresh sarge install with lame because the package doesn't seem to be in sarge anymore. |
| 02:14.26 | ioerror | Anyone know why this is? |
| 02:14.29 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: then go read www.postfix.org .. start there .. or try exim.org(i personally like postfix) |
| 02:14.31 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: however i couldnt get eitherone setup to recieve mail and send mail |
| 02:14.43 | loke | tcsetattr i do see a pasv_enable command in my man page |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: are you on debian? |
| 02:14.51 | loke | tcsetattr for my ftp server |
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| 02:14.53 | AaronMCouture | abrotmain: only to recieve mail - and yes im on deb |
| 02:14.58 | TCW | ioerror, what makes you think lame would not ne in sarge? |
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| 02:15.02 | loke | tcsetattr its default |
| 02:15.07 | TCW | s/ne/be/ |
| 02:15.17 | tcsetattr | loke, that's just whether the server will _allow_ PASV if the client requests it. |
| 02:15.18 | xam | ioerror: AFAIK/IIRC lame was not even in woody ... or potato |
| 02:15.21 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: eximconfig will setup exim .. if you need help with postfix .. see thier website |
| 02:15.26 | loke | tcsetattr ok |
| 02:15.30 | stew | ioerror: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:15.33 | chealer | TCW: in lsmod do you have snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss? |
| 02:15.45 | loke | tcsetattr you wanna help me real quick |
| 02:15.45 | tcsetattr | ioerror, debian does not include mp3 encoding software for fear of violating US patents |
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| 02:15.58 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: but postfix will recieve mail and send mail PO3 and IMAP? |
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| 02:16.12 | xam | tcsetattr: I can't blame them |
| 02:17.01 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: no .. you need a pop3/imap server for that |
| 02:17.03 | TCW | chealer, right now... no ;) need to reboot that machine. I did a reboot to windows because I wanted to make sure that sound does work... now mixing in Gnome, aumix, alsamixer all do work... but there is absolutely no sound anymore :) |
| 02:17.05 | rich_ | tcsetattr even in non-free or contrib? So people can no longer play mp3's with xmms? |
| 02:17.07 | kingsley_ | abrotman: "info zoo" is clever. Thanks. Could I impose upon you to try "$ dpkg -s zoo | grep Section" and let me know what it says? |
| 02:17.12 | TCW | chealer, wait a minute |
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| 02:17.15 | rich_ | or mp3blaster? |
| 02:17.19 | abrotman | kingsley: i'm on sarge |
| 02:17.21 | loke | stew will you help me real quick? |
| 02:17.34 | kaplanfx | is this channel for Debian/HURD q's too? |
| 02:17.34 | abrotman | kingsley: non-free for me |
| 02:17.39 | xam | rich_: playing is different than encoding |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | !Hurd |
| 02:17.39 | dpkg | i heard hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel. the core of the GNU system and available at http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. #hurd-bunny the underground #hurd channel, or http://www.hurd-bunny.org |
| 02:17.51 | chealer | TCW: if you don't, that means you don't have OSS compatibility for ALSA |
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| 02:18.07 | ioerror | software patients suck :( |
| 02:18.11 | Golden|Wolf | how do i add program to startup files? |
| 02:18.12 | rich_ | xam and tcsetattr Oh I see. Thanks |
| 02:18.12 | chealer | you can test cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp too when your sound works |
| 02:18.16 | ioerror | patents even |
| 02:18.22 | stew | loke: if you have a question just ask the channel |
| 02:18.26 | TCW | chealer, l am quite sure I have them loaded... but in a second or two I will have a look |
| 02:18.39 | kaplanfx | abrotman: that doesn't really help :) |
| 02:18.41 | xam | rich_: for the same matter lame and mplayer do not distribute binary packages ... |
| 02:18.43 | TCW | chealer, I did that... there came *nothing* out of the speakers |
| 02:19.11 | abrotman | kaplanfx: does it not say #hurd ? |
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| 02:19.32 | kaplanfx | abrotman: I'm talking about debians hurd distro |
| 02:19.40 | abrotman | kaplanfx: same place |
| 02:19.42 | kingsley_ | Will someone running unstable please try "$ dpkg -s zoo | grep Section" and let me know what it says? |
| 02:19.47 | kaplanfx | abrotman: ok |
| 02:19.48 | abrotman | i think |
| 02:19.51 | abrotman | kaplanfx: sec |
| 02:19.52 | xam | rich_: they only offer source code ... and let other people create/distribute the binary packages (who are either daring, stupid or brave, or a combination of all) |
| 02:20.26 | da_ | !zoo |
| 02:20.26 | dpkg | zoo is probably fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 02:20.28 | TCW | chealer, both modules loaded |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | kaplanfx: i'd say go there |
| 02:20.32 | da_ | hrm |
| 02:20.38 | kaplanfx | abrotman: im there, thanks |
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| 02:21.07 | TCW | I don't get it |
| 02:21.28 | da_ | its not what i was looking for obviously :p |
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| 02:21.34 | dip | <cievo> rick_: |
| 02:21.34 | dip | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.34 | dip | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.34 | dip | <mitem> i need something to show off my Nvidia card |
| 02:21.34 | dip | <TCW> guillemot, no.... I was talking what you asked here in the channel... :) |
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| 02:21.45 | rich_ | xam yes I see. Ive seen people asking questions about how to package mplayer, in some kind of self compileing manner but so far the marrilat archives work best for me |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | dip: wtf was that? |
| 02:22.40 | TCW | abrotman, what ever it was... it was long agao ;) I said that yesterday |
| 02:22.59 | xam | rich_: yes, they are handy. However I (sometimes) prefer to build the stuff myself (eg. marrilat does not have binary packages for some of the architecture I have here ) |
| 02:23.17 | nsillik | what is the status of debian for AMD64? |
| 02:24.17 | TCW | The sound did work a hour ago but the mixer in Gnome (or the also mixers in general) did not... now it changed completely. Mixers do work (all of them) but no sound |
| 02:24.18 | abrotman | TCW: heh |
| 02:24.30 | TCW | s/also/alsa/ |
| 02:24.30 | stew | !amd64 |
| 02:24.31 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. |
| 02:24.37 | da_ | blah |
| 02:24.44 | da_ | i was abpout to do !tell |
| 02:24.56 | da_ | s/bp/b |
| 02:24.57 | chealer | nsillik: some info there http://release.debian.org/sarge.html |
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| 02:25.10 | rich_ | xam I hguess if you really wanted to be safe you'ld just compile the upstream source in /usr/local/* but so far the third party archive hasnt bit me |
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| 02:25.17 | TCW | chealer, so... any suggestions? :) |
| 02:25.41 | libben | where do i type a forced line for my Nvidia card? i have a line that is for forcing my card to agp 4 and agpfw and so on. |
| 02:25.46 | libben | isnt it in modules.conf? |
| 02:25.54 | libben | but i cant find any nvidia specific in there. |
| 02:26.02 | nsillik | none of the links to alioth are working |
| 02:26.39 | TCW | I would be glad if I would know if Alsa or OSS is running... so that would be enough for the moment :) |
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| 02:27.07 | Echizen | anyone ever use axel? |
| 02:27.19 | Echizen | i'm trying to use it with an ftp that requires login |
| 02:27.19 | chealer | TCW: sorry I have no idea (but I'm far from knowing that stuff) |
| 02:27.28 | gqru | hello! |
| 02:27.43 | TCW | chealer, no problem... me neither ;) |
| 02:27.45 | Echizen | so i say 'axel -n 10 url' |
| 02:28.00 | Echizen | where the url is the full path and has the login and user |
| 02:28.02 | chealer | TCW: if you have the modules loaded, that should mean you have OSS compatibility for ALSA. now for alsa I don't know |
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| 02:28.16 | Echizen | but it just doesnt do anything and goes back to the prompt |
| 02:28.19 | Echizen | any ideas? |
| 02:28.21 | TCW | Never had any soundproblems in the last years... if the card was supported under Linux, then it just worked... and now... I just don't get it! |
| 02:28.24 | gqru | sorry offtopic, but where c programming forum or irc thanks |
| 02:28.30 | xam | libben: IIRC the only options you can change is via /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ... at least lots of those options are mentioned in the README that comes with the nvidia driver ... there is also a nvidia-settings application, but that only changes some few setting related to gamma and colour |
| 02:28.45 | chealer | TCW: try alsaconf |
| 02:29.07 | TCW | chealer, guess ;) |
| 02:29.33 | libben | xam: do i need to restart my box before i launch my game after ive edited it? |
| 02:29.36 | libben | its for doom3 =) |
| 02:29.46 | Echizen | any ideas?? |
| 02:29.47 | xam | libben: you only have to restart X |
| 02:29.49 | TCW | chealer, it is not installed... nowthing alsa related is installed. just one lib but I think that is just alsa related and not alsa himself |
| 02:30.00 | TCW | s/nowt/not/ |
| 02:30.14 | TCW | chealer, do you use alsa? |
| 02:30.46 | xam | libben: I don't think that the nvidia-kernel-module is parsing anything from /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, only the nvidia-XFree86 driver module does |
| 02:30.49 | kingsley_ | Which file(s) does "dpkg -s" read from? |
| 02:30.57 | TCW | chealer, so a dpkg --get-selections |grep alsa thrown in a query would be fine :) |
| 02:31.17 | libben | so where do i add these lines then ? |
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| 02:31.38 | xam | libben: RTFM |
| 02:31.42 | libben | options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 NVreg_ReqAGPRate=8 |
| 02:31.45 | libben | ok |
| 02:31.49 | Echizen | yo |
| 02:31.53 | Echizen | anybody know? |
| 02:32.05 | chealer | TCW: yes it's my sound driver |
| 02:32.21 | xam | libben: ahh, those *really* look like options for the module ... you should put them into /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modutils/* |
| 02:32.44 | libben | thxs. |
| 02:32.57 | TCW | chealer, would you be so kind and tell me which alsa packages I need? Just grep the output of dpkg --get-selctions for "alsa". |
| 02:33.20 | jetscreamer | alsa-base or alsabase iirc |
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| 02:33.25 | jetscreamer | go tthat? |
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| 02:33.44 | xam | libben: don't forget to do a 'update-modutils' or at least 'depmod -a' |
| 02:33.48 | TCW | oh... hi jetscreamer ;) status... it is now more broken than before :) |
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| 02:34.26 | nvz | 0.0 how freakin hot are these Thunderbirds suppose to run? |
| 02:34.27 | TCW | jetscreamer, alsa-base, alsa-oss and alsa-utils atre installed |
| 02:34.31 | chealer | TCW: alsa-base, alsa-oss, alsa-utils |
| 02:34.34 | TCW | are even |
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| 02:34.51 | TCW | chealer, ehm... so.... ;) |
| 02:35.06 | nvz | the BIOS's lowest warning temp is 70/158 and my case temp is noticably hot comming out |
| 02:35.23 | Echizen | you guys suck |
| 02:35.41 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:35.42 | abrotman | well then |
| 02:35.43 | libben | can that really be a good thing. all lines in modules.conf starts with Alias bla-bladasdasd and so on. |
| 02:35.48 | slake | If I wanted to install debian on ext3, reiserfs, or one of the newer file systems, how would I do that |
| 02:35.49 | libben | this line starts with options |
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| 02:35.53 | slake | with the standard install cd? |
| 02:35.56 | libben | i looked in modutils. |
| 02:36.03 | mosty | slake, with the sarge installer, yes |
| 02:36.05 | libben | and it dont contain any file that looks editable. |
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| 02:36.08 | kaplanfx | slake: use sarge installer |
| 02:36.14 | slake | okay, I will look into that, thanks |
| 02:36.15 | libben | except that there is alot of breaked up files. |
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| 02:36.53 | rich_ | slake xfs. And Yould just get an installer 6that supports it, which Ive heard the new one does. The one I have is old and not quite standard but Im sure its still available as well |
| 02:37.03 | chealer | TCW: sorry, I can't explain your sound stopped working |
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| 02:37.23 | TCW | chealer, that's ok... |
| 02:37.37 | TCW | .oO( no it is not... but wtf should I do?! *g* ) |
| 02:37.37 | slake | its just that the default stable release seems to come with a terribly old kernel (2.2x i think) and I don't want to have to install then upgrade everything |
| 02:37.44 | slake | especially the filesystem |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | slake: use the sarge installer |
| 02:38.03 | abrotman | slake: and woody installer does have a 2.4 .. and you can make that ext3 |
| 02:38.27 | mosty | slake, woody comes with an old kernel because woody is old. you can run 2.4 on woody quite easily though. but i wouldn't like to go installing woody now, sarge will be out soon |
| 02:38.43 | slake | And that comes on the latest woody distro? |
| 02:39.00 | rich_ | slake: /msg dpkg xfs or try substituting whatever filesystem your considering |
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| 02:39.17 | abrotman | slake: you can easily get ext2 and ext3 with woody |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | slake: sarge installer has more options |
| 02:39.29 | slake | ok |
| 02:39.44 | slake | I knew I could apt-get the kernel modules and utils for it, I just didn't know it came on the cd |
| 02:40.00 | TCW | I have absolutely NO clue what happend... but the line-out jack changed |
| 02:40.15 | xam | TCW: you mean physically? |
| 02:40.28 | TCW | xam, I mean electronically |
| 02:40.33 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: ok, i setup postfix but now when i login and type mail it says therei s no mail for me.. also how do i check the inbox and what is the password for post-master? |
| 02:40.39 | rich_ | slake It would be hard to use any of them for the root filesystem if there wasnt installation disks that supported them |
| 02:40.51 | rich_ | slake possible, just not quite so easy |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: what makes you think there would be mail for you? |
| 02:41.05 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: and where did you tell postfix to store your mail? |
| 02:41.12 | xam | abrotman: well, everybody gets spam ;) |
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| 02:41.18 | TCW | xam, a few hors ago it was the red one (normale mike I'd say, but that was the jack where the sound came out) and now it is the green one |
| 02:41.33 | ShadowRage | are there any special apps in debian that configure the network? |
| 02:41.37 | gqru | Hi i want to learn c. give me advice thx. |
| 02:41.38 | ShadowRage | or any special configs? |
| 02:41.38 | abrotman | etherconf |
| 02:41.39 | chealer | when reading http://release.debian.org/sarge.html should one understand that sarge will need i486 instead of i386? |
| 02:41.41 | xam | TCW: whoa, thats something new ... |
| 02:41.46 | abrotman | !tell ShadowRage about interfaces |
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| 02:42.10 | ShadowRage | !tell ShadowRage about interfaces |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | chealer: you'd have to file a bug if it's not correct |
| 02:42.22 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: i sent my self mail. and it is setup for the directory: /var/mail/ |
| 02:42.39 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: do you see it there? |
| 02:42.40 | stew | AaronMCouture: are you watching /var/log/mail.log? |
| 02:42.55 | jetscreamer | chealer no |
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| 02:43.30 | AaronMCouture | Oct 26 22:29:59 www postfix/qmgr[26792]: 47D7F3FD4: from=<couturea@www.xeroweb.com>, size=905, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 02:43.31 | TCW | In short.... sound an mixing does work... even if I have absolutely not-at-all-a-single-idea-or-not-a-foggiest-notion about what happend or how it "got" fixed |
| 02:43.45 | kingsley_ | Why would /var/lib/dpkg/available and /var/lib/dpkg/status report a "Section:" value from the stable release but a "Version:" from unstable? |
| 02:43.53 | pbryan | Does anyone know if someone has GNOME 2.8 backported for sid? |
| 02:43.53 | chealer | jetscreamer: I'm just curious...what does it mean? |
| 02:43.57 | jetscreamer | tcw having fun_with_alsa? :) |
| 02:44.04 | peterS | pbryan: for sid? use the one in experimental |
| 02:44.08 | jetscreamer | chealer it means it functions on i386 arch |
| 02:44.10 | peterS | pbryan: /msg dpkg experimental |
| 02:44.13 | jetscreamer | and all those others |
| 02:44.33 | pbryan | peterS: yeah, except I don't feel like engaging in a pinning exercise if someone is managing a repository themselves... |
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| 02:44.50 | stew | peterS: btw the experimental factoid changed |
| 02:44.58 | peterS | stew: I hope it still says something useful |
| 02:45.09 | stew | peterS: you be the judge |
| 02:45.09 | chealer | jetscreamer: ok, I must have misinterpreted "upgrades for true-i386 require kernels w/ 486 emu support (not yet available; wli, hch?)" |
| 02:45.13 | peterS | stew: looks fine to me |
| 02:45.26 | stew | same here |
| 02:45.29 | jetscreamer | chealer, i didn't go down that far, let me look again |
| 02:45.34 | TCW | Normally I had such experiences with windows servers, clients, networks from Exchange to ISS or whatever M$-related software but *NOT* with Linux... I am absolutely shocked... somehow ;) |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | we don't support it anymore? |
| 02:47.00 | gqru | how can i see channel list? |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | and that really changed |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | gqru: /list |
| 02:47.00 | gqru | thx |
| 02:47.00 | TCW | jetscreamer, I would not call it fun... I like to know what happens in the background, that's why I use Linux. But know I don't know anything! |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | what happened to all the pinning stuff |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | ~experimental |
| 02:47.02 | apt | from memory, experimental is If you want to use some certain packages in experimental , you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Pin-Priority: 999' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | @experimental |
| 02:47.02 | ravenbird | If you want to use some certain packages in experimental, you need first a sources.list line of 'deb http://debian.mirror/debian/ ../project/experimental main', then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences. Remember, it's hard to get to for a reason! do: apt-get -t experimental install foo bar |
| 02:47.04 | jetscreamer | chealer, looks like that means if it's really a 386, the kernel needs 486 emulation... but i'm just trying to interpret, i could be wrong |
| 02:47.29 | chealer | jetscreamer: ok, anyway I'll just skip that, thanks |
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| 02:48.15 | TCW | xam, I'd say... it is not possible that you've been there where the soundproblem was... but I believe in magic, so everything is possible ;) |
| 02:48.46 | TCW | Ehm... let's say... *NOW* I believe in magic ;) |
| 02:48.50 | stew | is pinning experimental as high as 1001 or 999 really a good idea? |
| 02:48.55 | gqru | how can i save the channel lists to my disk? |
| 02:48.58 | jetscreamer | tcw, you've heard of ethernet... do you knowwhat ether means? |
| 02:49.27 | rich_ | I never heard pinning was a good idea, or experimental was a good idea. So it seems to me theres no way they could be good together. |
| 02:49.44 | xam | jetscreamer: the stuff which makes you blind if you drink it? ;-P |
| 02:50.14 | TCW | jetscreamer, it depends if you are kidding or its a catch question.... or... if you mean it seriously ;) |
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| 02:50.49 | jetscreamer | xam, that's the third definition on m-w.com |
| 02:51.13 | jetscreamer | http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=ether&x=0&y=0 |
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| 02:52.30 | TCW | ether means airwaves too? |
| 02:52.33 | xam | jetscreamer: actually I gave you two definitions: first I gave you definition 3a (from www.m-w.com), and then the definition 1a |
| 02:52.48 | TCW | Ok, I am not a native speaker but that does wonder me |
| 02:52.49 | xam | sorry, I meant 2a |
| 02:53.06 | rich_ | I dont know why I never thought of brewing my own beer before I turned 18. It might even be legal some places. |
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| 02:53.35 | tcsetattr | it helps to know that the term "ethernet" was first used to describe a packet radio network |
| 02:53.55 | FieldySnuts | cq cq |
| 02:54.00 | slake | rich_, So I am stuck using ext2 on whatever file system I install the debian base onto? |
| 02:54.04 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 02:54.15 | jetscreamer | !tell slake about ext2->ext3 |
| 02:54.21 | rich_ | tcsetattr well ether is a gas I guess, found in the atmosphere. Is that your point? A lot of hot air? :) |
| 02:54.26 | jetscreamer | cp a lot for something different |
| 02:54.39 | xam | argll, 1a and 2a |
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| 02:54.50 | slake | Oh. I see. |
| 02:54.50 | nvz | slake: what are you installing with? |
| 02:54.59 | slake | I would like to use sarge |
| 02:55.04 | slake | I haven't downloaded an iso yet |
| 02:55.05 | tcsetattr | a century or two ago, "ether" was the theorized transmission medium for light waves (before people understood that a wave of electric and magnetic fields could propagate in a vacuum with no medium at all) |
| 02:55.07 | pipeline | tcsetattr: What's that famous Bob Metcalfe quote -- Ethernet's been redefined three times or something |
| 02:55.18 | nvz | slake: I am sure D-I sarge can handle many filesystems |
| 02:55.19 | rich_ | slake No, the new installer lets you choose and theres old installers for a lot of filesystems |
| 02:55.22 | jetscreamer | one is a description, the other was thought to be an actual element in the very old days |
| 02:55.39 | slake | my question is this: which iso should I download? |
| 02:55.47 | slake | I just got a new box and I want the latest software |
| 02:55.48 | mosty | slake: the sarge netinstall iso |
| 02:55.51 | rich_ | slake And theoretically I guess its possible to install without formatting |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:56.01 | dpkg | it has been said that d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, or but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 02:56.07 | AaronMCouture | can someone tell me what i have to do to get postfix to allow Outlook to get and send messages? |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | slake: use the 110MB sarge installer |
| 02:56.13 | slake | I want to give linux a try again, the nvidia drivers for freebsd really suck and I don't have as many packages |
| 02:56.18 | xam | jetscreamer: well, not really an 'element' like typical gases or so ... more like 'dark matter' |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: pop3 or imap |
| 02:56.37 | mosty | aaronmcouture: postfix is only for sending mail, you also need a pop3 or imap server |
| 02:57.18 | xam | jetscreamer: it was used to explain why the measurements of the speed of light were always constant, regardless whether you were moving or not |
| 02:57.20 | rich_ | slake sorry but I havent heard great things about the nvidia drivers. The advantage is that in linux everything else is stable. Id provides a stable framework within which its easier to fix the nvidia problem |
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| 02:57.43 | slake | well, the nvidia drivers should work, they just don't |
| 02:57.52 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: i dont know lol |
| 02:57.56 | slake | frequent lockups.. |
| 02:57.59 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: i tryed both |
| 02:58.00 | rich_ | slake Then debian is a good choice |
| 02:58.15 | rich_ | slake If it can work anywhere it can work in debian :) |
| 02:58.22 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: did you install an imap or pop3 server? |
| 02:58.41 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: i need to install a imap server? |
| 02:58.43 | slake | is this what I want? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20041026/ |
| 02:58.43 | xam | jetsceamer: well, with this newly invented matter/element called 'ether' you could explain the strange results. And then came Einstein and told the world about relativity |
| 02:58.44 | TCW | obvously not :) |
| 02:58.48 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: what does postfix do then? |
| 02:58.58 | mosty | aaronmcouture: postfix does smtp |
| 02:59.12 | xam | jetscreamer: and then 'ether' was obsolete ;) |
| 02:59.14 | TCW | AaronMCouture, it is just a smtpd |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | !smtp |
| 02:59.15 | dpkg | smtp is probably simple mail transport protocol. rfc2821 |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: you need like courier or cyrus |
| 02:59.51 | mosty | aaronmcouture: apt-get install courier-pop |
| 03:00.05 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: so i need postfix to recieve and send. and then one that interfaces with outlook? |
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| 03:00.07 | TCW | AaronMCouture, it is for SENDING mails to other smtpds. If you want to GET the mail you need an imap or a pop3 daemon |
| 03:00.15 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: yes |
| 03:00.26 | initech | AaronMCouture: you want to use OUTLOOK as an imap client? |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | !pop3 |
| 03:00.31 | dpkg | [pop3] a really pesky way to get email, especially if you have lots of it. or an evil thing most people on the internet are stuck with whether they like it or not or see fetchmail, or telnet your.pop3.server.org pop3 |tee -a mymails, user johndoe, pass ****, list, retr 1, dele 1, quit, or rfc1939 |
| 03:00.37 | abrotman | !imap |
| 03:00.37 | dpkg | hmm... imap is (rfc2060) a protocol allowing a client to access and manipulate electronic mail messages on a server. It permits manipulation of remote message folders (mailboxes), in a way that is functionally equivalent to local mailboxes. IMAP includes operations for creating, deleting, and renaming mailboxes; checking for new messages; permanently removing messages; searching; and selective fetching of message attributes, texts, and portions thereof. |
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| 03:00.47 | abrotman | initech: as opposed to? |
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| 03:01.01 | mosty | outlook's imap support blows chunks |
| 03:01.06 | TCW | AaronMCouture, not for outlook (don't use that word in here, please! *g*) you need it for every mail user agent that is not local to the smtpd (on the same machine) |
| 03:01.13 | initech | abrotman: well with imap you have to choose clients carefully, they range from suck ass to "ok" |
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| 03:01.32 | peterS | which is a shame because the protocol itself is quite good |
| 03:01.36 | abrotman | initech: so do servers :) |
| 03:01.38 | initech | last time i checked outlook was utterly unworkable as an imap client (though was a while ago) |
| 03:01.40 | TCW | thunderbird is ok |
| 03:01.40 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: how do i read my email with postfix. i know the /var/mail dirs have the mail in it but i can use the "mail" command to read the mail |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | you can or cannot? |
| 03:01.59 | Trev_ | Anyone running sarge raid 0 that has a moment to help me configure it for a new install ? |
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| 03:02.30 | TCW | I used thunderbird with some linux and windows clients and it was really great for imap.... now I'v thrown all windows boxes away und switched back to evolution :) |
| 03:02.40 | initech | Trev_: any particular reason you are using raid0? |
| 03:02.47 | mosty | initech, it works, but it just appears to cache everything in a local outlook mailbox file, which somewhat defeats the purpose of leaving your mail on the server |
| 03:02.50 | Trev_ | I have 2 ide drives.. heh |
| 03:02.56 | abrotman | raid0 blows |
| 03:03.03 | Trev_ | mirror is raid 0 correct ?? |
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| 03:03.10 | abrotman | no |
| 03:03.14 | TCW | Trev_, no |
| 03:03.16 | abrotman | !raid1 |
| 03:03.18 | Trev_ | raid 0 simple striped.. ahh |
| 03:03.18 | abrotman | !raid0 |
| 03:03.24 | abrotman | dpkg: you don't know/ |
| 03:03.24 | dpkg | abrotman: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:03.25 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:03.25 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: i cant use the mail command.. it says no mail for *user* |
| 03:03.29 | rich_ | I hate to say it but I read debian mailing lists and I find it all so confuseing that I use a graphical mail client called xfmail. Is it any good for imap? |
| 03:03.31 | initech | Trev_: with just two you really will not get any performance and are incurring a grave liability |
| 03:03.36 | Trev_ | ok then..lemme rephrase that.. |
| 03:03.38 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: is the mail in that directory? |
| 03:03.47 | Trev_ | RAID1 - sorry.. |
| 03:03.51 | TCW | Trev_, avoid using raid0, it is really unsecure |
| 03:03.55 | initech | raid0 might be good for /var/tmp or something if you have money to burn |
| 03:03.59 | Nurbs | one does get performance... |
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| 03:04.11 | initech | Nurbs: in benchmarks only, really |
| 03:04.15 | Nurbs | no, not really |
| 03:04.20 | initech | yes really |
| 03:04.23 | Moraiat | anyone know of a channel or anything related to winamp? |
| 03:04.29 | TCW | if someone wants performance... raid5 or 10 then |
| 03:04.36 | Nurbs | initech: the world is banana shaped, really |
| 03:04.43 | abrotman | Moraiat: certainly not #debian? |
| 03:04.47 | Moraiat | well yeah |
| 03:04.48 | TCW | Moraiat, the Windows player?! |
| 03:04.49 | initech | Nurbs: no, not really, it's on a turtle |
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| 03:04.52 | abrotman | Moraiat: i do not |
| 03:04.56 | Moraiat | but |
| 03:04.59 | abrotman | !winamp |
| 03:04.59 | dpkg | winamp is probably a Win32 Audio player, or available for linux |
| 03:05.02 | Nurbs | initech: no, there are no elephants that large |
| 03:05.04 | Trev_ | --> Raid 1. I have 2 80gb drives.. was going to do 3 partitions.. 1- boot 2 -swap 3 root.. I wanted to raid 1 them (mirror). THis is for sarge initial install.. |
| 03:05.12 | Moraiat | i dunno, i couldn't find anything. so i asked the smartest room ;) |
| 03:05.18 | rich_ | Moraiat the linux version? Or is that media player? One of them has a linux version but if its a windows program, theres #windows |
| 03:05.24 | mosty | moraiat: nobody uses winamp in linux |
| 03:05.26 | initech | Nurbs: elephants do not stack. turtles can stack, "all the way down" |
| 03:05.35 | Trev_ | I am curious if I need toset the same partitians up in my 2nd ide drive.. or just dedicate the entire thing to raid1.. |
| 03:05.59 | Nurbs | initech: you got me there. |
| 03:06.04 | TCW | There is a linux version of winamp? |
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| 03:06.18 | abrotman | !info winamp |
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| 03:06.23 | TCW | for heavens sake... why?! |
| 03:06.24 | rich_ | woo hoo |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | not in debian |
| 03:06.32 | initech | Trev_: raid1 if you like redundancy, otherwise just two separate drives |
| 03:06.36 | chealer | maybe there WAS a linux version for winamp |
| 03:06.37 | ebene | TCW: xmms, check linux.org/apps |
| 03:06.48 | Moraiat | no no no, im not asking if you guys have support for winamp. i'm asking if any of you possess the knowledge of a winamp channel or support line. |
| 03:06.51 | TCW | ebene, I know xmms... and guess... I use it! |
| 03:06.54 | Trev_ | initech - setting up raid 1.. please read question a few lines up.. |
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| 03:06.59 | ebene | aah k |
| 03:07.01 | pipeline | chealer, TCW: Yes, there was. Wasabi player AKA winamp 3 runs on linux. |
| 03:07.20 | pipeline | chealer, TCW: That said, xmms and beep media player are both far better than Winamp3 |
| 03:07.28 | rich_ | Moraiat because theres a linux version you can try ##linux |
| 03:07.30 | TCW | pipeline, really? ;) |
| 03:08.13 | kaplanfx | chealer: amarok is a great audio player for linux, I believe it requires kde libraries though |
| 03:08.15 | TCW | I stuck with mp3blaster... it is more ssh friendly ;) |
| 03:08.27 | pipeline | No, I made that up, including the stupid name, just to play with your head. And all the hits on google are part of my elaborate sham. And my pathetic at cutting wit is actually funny. |
| 03:08.28 | kaplanfx | chealer: it was just added to debian in the last few weeks |
| 03:08.29 | TCW | s/stuck/stick/ |
| 03:08.47 | Moraiat | wow |
| 03:08.52 | Moraiat | 31232 threads in winamp technical |
| 03:08.58 | rich_ | I use mplayer for everything. And I integrated it with dfm so I dont have to use its interface |
| 03:09.08 | kaplanfx | Moraiat: try amarok |
| 03:09.10 | TCW | Moraiat, just curious.... what is your problem? |
| 03:09.17 | initech | i use winamp to write political papers |
| 03:09.42 | ebene | 0.o |
| 03:10.04 | initech | on a raid0 of two ntfs filesystems on the same drive. i also use gentoo. |
| 03:10.35 | mosty | heh |
| 03:10.37 | chealer | kaplanfx/ pipeline: I have no problem for my audio player, I was just trying to answer Moraiat/ TCW |
| 03:10.49 | Moraiat | TCW: whenever i start milkdrop (a visualization plugin in winamp [windows version {yes, i know, im sorry}]) i get this error http://kev.majestik.org/mderror.PNG |
| 03:11.09 | Moraiat | 1.04b version --latest, is what im using. all previous versions work. all other visualizations work |
| 03:11.16 | TCW | chealer, I do not have any audio-player problems nor did I have such problems... my probolems were far beyond that scope ;) |
| 03:11.19 | mosty | moraiat: guh, talk about asking in the wrong place |
| 03:11.25 | initech | dude, what in god's name are you coming in here for your winamp problems? |
| 03:11.26 | Moraiat | mosty: YES! |
| 03:11.35 | Moraiat | IM NOT!!!! |
| 03:11.41 | chealer | kaplanfx: I hope I can try amaroK soon |
| 03:11.43 | abrotman | Moraiat: try reinstalling directX ? |
| 03:11.53 | Moraiat | doing that right now |
| 03:12.14 | Moraiat | initech: did you read that error message? |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | shit |
| 03:12.21 | TCW | Moraiat, I just smile a bit and grin... ;) |
| 03:12.27 | abrotman | abrotman: #debian you moron |
| 03:12.43 | Moraiat | okay we're gonna start over with me as a new nick |
| 03:12.54 | thoreauputic | Moraiat: that isn't an error message, it's a URL |
| 03:13.00 | chealer | TCW: you were just saying "There is a linux version of winamp?" |
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| 03:13.02 | Stylus | thoreauputic: grr |
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| 03:13.26 | abrotman | initech: what did i do? |
| 03:13.34 | TCW | chealer, ehm... ok :) |
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| 03:13.52 | Stylus | hi guys, i was wondering if you have any knowledge of a WINAMP HELP LINE or CHANNEL. I do not necessarily need/expect help from this channel. just if anyone has info of a channel where i COULD get help. it would be much appreciated |
| 03:14.02 | abrotman | !winamp |
| 03:14.02 | dpkg | it has been said that winamp is a Win32 Audio player, or available for linux |
| 03:14.03 | thoreauputic | Stylus: hehe |
| 03:14.04 | initech | abrotman: you mentioned directX, for the third time in this channels history ;) |
| 03:14.17 | abrotman | initech: it happens .. |
| 03:14.22 | mosty | stylus, if #winamp doesn't help, nowhere will |
| 03:14.26 | TCW | Stylus, in this special case.... N O! :) |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | initech: would you rather i talk about Foxpro .. again? |
| 03:14.43 | Stylus | isnt directx part of wine? so couldn't a wine related problem possibly related to directx? |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | who was that? |
| 03:14.50 | abrotman | it was rahul |
| 03:14.59 | abrotman | insisting foxpro was a database |
| 03:15.03 | initech | what kind of world is this where people talk about FoxPro at will? |
| 03:15.14 | Stylus | foxpro? |
| 03:15.18 | abrotman | !foxpro |
| 03:15.27 | abrotman | Stylus: use wikipedia.org |
| 03:15.28 | abrotman | it's crap |
| 03:15.45 | Stylus | :) wikipedia amazes me |
| 03:15.47 | thoreauputic | Stylus: #wineHQ ;) |
| 03:15.58 | Stylus | should i just cheat and state it as a wine question? |
| 03:16.11 | abrotman | Stylus: you could just not use winamp |
| 03:16.12 | thoreauputic | Stylus: ^^^ |
| 03:16.16 | Stylus | negative |
| 03:16.20 | abrotman | positive |
| 03:16.22 | Stylus | i likes the pretties of the visualizations |
| 03:16.46 | abrotman | Stylus: good pot? |
| 03:16.55 | Stylus | abrotman: don't need it. it's that good. |
| 03:17.05 | Stylus | the visualizations...not.. the pot |
| 03:17.10 | Stylus | O.o |
| 03:17.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:17.13 | boreas | what kind of filesystems work well for remote sharing (in terms of security, etc)? I've heard good things about AFS, but from lkml, it sounds like better kernel support for this will be slow because not many people use it - so what do most people use? |
| 03:17.22 | TCW | Stylus, did someone provide you with help here? No? How come? It was already said that *here* we don't know about a helpline or channel of that sort. |
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| 03:17.30 | Stylus | NTFS! |
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| 03:17.55 | Stylus | TCW: yeah but then people started yelling at me |
| 03:17.57 | Overide | don't use winAMP |
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| 03:18.03 | MepisBelle | StyleWarz: http://internet.ls-la.net/man-pages/rtfm-2.html |
| 03:18.07 | TCW | Stylus, explain... since when is NTFS a remote filesystem? |
| 03:18.13 | Stylus | i dunno |
| 03:18.16 | Stylus | i wanted to joke |
| 03:18.20 | Stylus | Overide: yes, thank you, that's been stated |
| 03:18.23 | TCW | bad joke |
| 03:18.24 | abrotman | Stylus: not ntfs |
| 03:18.26 | Stylus | i know :( |
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| 03:18.45 | Stylus | shuit |
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| 03:19.00 | MepisBelle | Dork - departing. |
| 03:19.01 | TCW | ntfs is not as bad as someone in here may think... it is closed source an it is from M$, that makes it bad... but... it is not a remote FS |
| 03:19.08 | abrotman | boreas: there are quite a few .. afs,dfs,coda,nfs |
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| 03:19.30 | abrotman | TCW: it is not remote fs . not like CIFS at least :) |
| 03:19.52 | TCW | abrotman, it is in no sense remote... PERIOD! ;) |
| 03:20.00 | abrotman | TCW: :) .. it is not |
| 03:20.15 | TCW | abrotman, wanna argue about ntfs... here?! *g* |
| 03:20.15 | boreas | abrotman, i was under the impression NFS was quite insecure, coda was mostly not used |
| 03:20.26 | abrotman | TCW: ntfs isn't a remote file system you bastard!!! |
| 03:20.33 | AaronMCouture | i install curior but now i cant login via the POP3 client |
| 03:20.37 | abrotman | boreas: nfs is insecure .. |
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| 03:20.54 | abrotman | boreas: i just pointed out its existence |
| 03:20.57 | Moraiat | ... |
| 03:20.58 | TCW | boreas, if you need security... ehm... what kind of security? Better athentification? Encryption? But in all cases... nfs looses. |
| 03:21.01 | Moraiat | Directx wanted to restart |
| 03:21.06 | Moraiat | there was no "no" option |
| 03:21.08 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: this isn't for a real mail server is it? |
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| 03:21.22 | AaronMCouture | abrotman, yes iti s |
| 03:21.27 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: you still awake? |
| 03:21.34 | TCW | AaronMCouture, stop whatever you are doing now!!! |
| 03:21.35 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: T1 in oregon :) |
| 03:21.36 | Buffy | Evenin', all. |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 03:21.49 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: is the game still on .. then yes .. i'm still awake |
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| 03:21.50 | AaronMCouture | haha alright |
| 03:21.53 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: T1? |
| 03:21.56 | Moraiat | if this doesnt work im commiting ritual suicide |
| 03:21.56 | boreas | TCW, very secure on authentication and over-the-network encryption, but not encryption on the client side |
| 03:22.05 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: HTF would I know if the game was on? :D |
| 03:22.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: it's baseball? |
| 03:22.16 | TCW | AaronMCouture, I am not kidding!! |
| 03:22.27 | Moraiat | well....crap... |
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| 03:22.33 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: where do you live? |
| 03:22.34 | AaronMCouture | tcw: what should i do then? |
| 03:22.44 | TCW | Overide, would be asking a bit more friendly? ;) |
| 03:22.46 | abrotman | Overide: do it again .. i kill you |
| 03:22.47 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: Pennslyvania |
| 03:22.49 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Oh BTW WRT Simpsons you were right. I suck. I guess that means I'm buying warmdaddy's :) |
| 03:22.53 | TCW | AaronMCouture, reading?! |
| 03:23.02 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: good .. i'll come pick up your server .. i'll do it |
| 03:23.10 | Moraiat | OMFGWTFBBQGRASS |
| 03:23.14 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: woohoo |
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| 03:23.24 | Moraiat | winnt? |
| 03:23.25 | scarynetworkguy | !win abrotman |
| 03:23.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | TCW: you're in reading? |
| 03:23.33 | Moraiat | we don't like your kind in here |
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| 03:24.00 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: haha i dont get it, why cant i setup a mail server.. i setup apache, mysql, perl, php, etc. i just need the mail server now to complete my cluster |
| 03:24.06 | TCW | AaronMCouture, nowadays there are TONS of unsecure and broken build-by-noobs-and-kiddies- mail-servers around which do a lot of bullshit... there is no need for another one! |
| 03:24.15 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: because you don't seem to have the slightest idea how to do it |
| 03:24.17 | chealer | TCW: NTFS is not a network filesystem |
| 03:24.19 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: where in PA? |
| 03:24.29 | TCW | chealer, come on... tell me! ;) |
| 03:24.30 | abrotman | TCW: are you in PA too? |
| 03:24.35 | Moraiat | - |
| 03:24.36 | TCW | abrotman, no... |
| 03:24.40 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:24.45 | TCW | abrotman, and yes... sometimes I do read ;9 |
| 03:24.46 | abrotman | TCW: i live near reading, pa |
| 03:24.50 | Moraiat | | |
| 03:24.54 | TCW | abrotman, *lol* |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | Moraiat: wtf are you doing? |
| 03:25.03 | Moraiat | loading |
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| 03:25.04 | Moraiat | - |
| 03:25.09 | chealer | TCW: really, it's not one. it's the equivalent of linux ext3, improved. |
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| 03:25.28 | TCW | chealer, wtf do you try to tell me?! :) |
| 03:25.31 | abrotman | do we have a factoid that tells someone how to install a whole server? |
| 03:25.35 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: and the only way is to set it up and figure out how to do it correctly. that is why i am asking for help and looking on google for information. sadly enough i cant find one good tutorial on how to setup a real mailserver |
| 03:25.38 | Moraiat | | |
| 03:26.04 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: www.postfix.org |
| 03:26.16 | TCW | AaronMCouture, start reading some network related linux docs... search for them at www.tldp.org |
| 03:26.19 | thoreauputic_ | Moraiat: erm - did you want to say something? |
| 03:26.23 | chealer | TCW: just trying to be as disturbing as Moraiat :) |
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| 03:26.28 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: then find the home page for courier |
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| 03:26.34 | Moraiat | no |
| 03:26.35 | TCW | chealer, you really made it! ;) |
| 03:26.36 | Moraiat | - |
| 03:26.57 | AaronMCouture | well i have courier installed imap and pop servers running and postfix |
| 03:27.05 | AaronMCouture | i have relaying disabled |
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| 03:27.17 | Myren | how can i get the width of my terminal? |
| 03:27.21 | AaronMCouture | now i just cant figure out why i cant login |
| 03:27.23 | Moraiat | | |
| 03:27.26 | Myren | counting dots is making me nauteous |
| 03:27.30 | TCW | AaronMCouture, and you have not read a single line about networking, mailservers and linux... so do that 1st, please! |
| 03:27.31 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: check your logs .. what od they say? |
| 03:28.08 | mosty | myren: run vi, turn on the "ruler" and move that cursor to the end of the line |
| 03:28.21 | Moraiat | - |
| 03:28.36 | abrotman | echo $COLUMNS ? |
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| 03:29.18 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: Oct 26 23:14:20 www courierpop3login: Connection, ip=[::ffff:192.168.1.99] |
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| 03:29.57 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: isn't there more? |
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| 03:30.12 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: i suspect courier is looking for mail where postfix isn't putting it |
| 03:30.20 | AaronMCouture | Oct 26 23:14:20 www postfix/local[473]: 7786E3FD4: to=<aaron@xeroweb.com>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (mailbox) |
| 03:30.20 | AaronMCouture | Oct 26 23:14:22 www courierpop3login: Connection, ip=[::ffff:192.168.1.99] |
| 03:30.20 | AaronMCouture | Oct 26 23:14:24 www courierpop3login: Connection, ip=[::ffff:192.168.1.99] |
| 03:30.30 | Moraiat | hmm |
| 03:30.30 | abrotman | iirc .. courier wants maildir .. postfix puts it in /var/mail |
| 03:30.39 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: it wont accept my users passwords |
| 03:30.42 | Caimlas | what does the file /var/lib/dpkg/available pertain to? as in, when is it read/written? |
| 03:30.45 | Moraiat | is there anyway you could mail a message to a postal service, then get them to print it up and deliver it... |
| 03:31.00 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: looks fine to me |
| 03:31.19 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: i don't see it denying you |
| 03:31.23 | AaronMCouture | how do i make the server require a password inorder to send data |
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| 03:31.31 | haraldo | Hi. |
| 03:31.36 | scarynetworkguy | Moraiat: I've heard of such things google on it |
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| 03:31.45 | mosty | AaronMCouture, rtfm |
| 03:32.03 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: no running before standing |
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| 03:32.21 | haraldo | My pppoe connection isn't automaticly redialed after the provider closed the connection (it does so every 12h), hoow do I change this? |
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| 03:32.37 | TCW | haraldo, man pppd |
| 03:32.50 | Moraiat | scarynetworkguy: i would almost think about starting up a service for that. but...what would be the point... |
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| 03:33.47 | haraldo | TCW: Searching for 'redial' and 'reconnect' in there didn't bring up anything. Any further hints? |
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| 03:33.59 | TCW | haraldo, persist would be a good start |
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| 03:35.35 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:35.37 | abrotman | go sox go |
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| 03:35.46 | ghost66 | #knoppix |
| 03:36.02 | haraldo | TCW: My dsl-provider file already has the persist option in it. What else yould be responsible? |
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| 03:36.49 | TCW | haraldo, maybe a conflicting option? |
| 03:37.03 | TCW | haraldo, woody? |
| 03:37.16 | haraldo | TCW: No, sarge. At least nopersist isn't in there. |
| 03:37.28 | TCW | haraldo, demand? |
| 03:37.47 | haraldo | TCW: No, demand isn't in there, too. |
| 03:38.16 | TCW | haraldo, it may be thet pppd just crashes... what does the log state? |
| 03:38.41 | TCW | that even |
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| 03:40.16 | Caimlas | which programs manipulate /var/lib/dpkg/available, and how can the file be updated? it got corrupted on my system somehow. |
| 03:40.16 | k-god | How do you invoke a mode in [x]emacs? |
| 03:40.35 | Caimlas | (and now I can't do a dpkg -l or such) |
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| 03:40.58 | tcsetattr | Caimlas, try running dselect update |
| 03:41.00 | TCW | 9:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/pppd nodetach call dsl-provider >>/var/log/dsl>&1 <- something like that in /etc/inittab could also be of great help |
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| 03:41.07 | Moraiat | ooh...i found #gentoo |
| 03:41.20 | TCW | haraldo, but just do that if you knoiw what you are doing |
| 03:41.26 | Caimlas | tcsetattr: would that be the same as apt-get update? |
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| 03:41.38 | tcsetattr | Caimlas, they're different. |
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| 03:41.41 | doolph | hi |
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| 03:41.49 | jetscreamer | hey tar xvjf unpacks a bz2 but which do i pass it for .gz? |
| 03:41.51 | jetscreamer | lose the j and put... |
| 03:42.06 | TCW | jetscreamer, z? |
| 03:42.08 | Caimlas | tcsetattr: how so? |
| 03:42.20 | jetscreamer | tcw, put z instead of j? |
| 03:42.26 | doolph | hey anyone here know about vpn |
| 03:42.29 | TCW | jetscreamer, sure... are your manpges broken? |
| 03:43.01 | jetscreamer | tcw tar has one of the fattest unreadable manpages i've seen yet |
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| 03:43.12 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 03:43.21 | haraldo | TCW: "pppd[7092]: Can't open options file /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider: Permission denied" seems to be the entry of interest. |
| 03:43.25 | Moraiat | okay, my friend just said perl was useless... |
| 03:43.29 | Moraiat | someone give me an argument |
| 03:43.33 | TCW | jetscreamer, that *maybe* true... but in all linux-users livfes, that is a must-read :p |
| 03:43.36 | Trev_ | PERL USELESS.. omg shoot your friend please |
| 03:43.49 | haraldo | TCW: But pppd is supposed to run as root, right? |
| 03:43.53 | Trev_ | with a sling shot.. -- dont wanna promote tooo much violence here |
| 03:43.53 | ansong | Moraiat, 7 lines of perl will decrypt CSS |
| 03:44.40 | TCW | haraldo, not necessarily... but mostly yes |
| 03:45.06 | haraldo | TCW: At least here - after I did a manual 'pon dsl-provider' - it does. |
| 03:45.13 | *** part/#debian hope22 (~tito@syr-24-169-78-241.twcny.rr.com) |
| 03:45.24 | *** join/#debian abyy_ (~chris_@c-24-7-9-145.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:45.26 | TCW | haraldo, and? |
| 03:45.41 | TCW | haraldo, I don't get your point... if there is one ;) |
| 03:46.19 | haraldo | TCW: The point is I still don't know why the connection isn't automaticly reastablished after the ISP reset it. |
