| 00:00.00 | arnon | but it gives me a different font when I connect to the other linux machine |
| 00:00.03 | abrotman | deadcat: read what you typed |
| 00:00.23 | petemc | arnon: define ssh client |
| 00:00.24 | abrotman | go sox go! |
| 00:00.30 | erik | arnon: ssh has no concept of fonts |
| 00:00.31 | deadcat | abrotman: GOGOGO (= |
| 00:00.35 | abrotman | damn right |
| 00:00.44 | arnon | ok |
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| 00:00.48 | FieldySnuts | #annoying-sports-fans or something |
| 00:01.00 | deadcat | abrotman: funny if they choke like the yankees |
| 00:01.07 | arnon | how do I change my console font ? |
| 00:01.21 | abrotman | deadcat: no . that would ugly |
| 00:01.27 | FieldySnuts | arnon: you're not getting the hint, ssh does not care about fonts. define ssh client |
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| 00:01.44 | calvin | How do i find out which device file is associated with which usb device connected to my system? |
| 00:01.47 | deadcat | abrotman: if you are a guy with a yankee shirt in boston, you're dead. if you are a girl with a yankees shirt, you're getting raped tonight |
| 00:01.57 | abrotman | deadcat: there's a pleasant thought |
| 00:02.04 | erik | the thing I hate about red sox fans |
| 00:02.05 | abrotman | calvin: lsusb ? |
| 00:02.08 | erik | is that they extend all the way up here to maine |
| 00:02.10 | deadcat | calvin: /proc/bus/usb |
| 00:02.12 | calvin | abrotman: that doesnt list the device paths |
| 00:02.15 | abrotman | erik: where in maine? |
| 00:02.15 | erik | Listen up, Mainers - the red sox is NOT your home team |
| 00:02.29 | FieldySnuts | i just get sick of hearing about it |
| 00:02.33 | erik | abrotman: two states northeast of Boston |
| 00:02.35 | abrotman | erik: i grew up watching RedSox on channel 2 |
| 00:02.43 | FieldySnuts | it's like too much hype over a bad movie: go away |
| 00:02.47 | abrotman | erik: i meant where in maine :) |
| 00:02.50 | arnon | FieldySnuts, I don't care about ssh anymore, I just want to change my console's font |
| 00:02.51 | erik | abrotman: Bangor |
| 00:02.57 | abrotman | erik: my mom lives near belfast |
| 00:03.01 | FieldySnuts | arnon: for the third time, define ssh client. i'm not asking again |
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| 00:03.11 | erik | abrotman: neat |
| 00:03.17 | abrotman | erik: you sound excited :) |
| 00:03.25 | abrotman | erik: and yes .. maine is BoSox country :) |
| 00:03.32 | erik | abrotman: I, uh, hate maine, a lot :p |
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| 00:03.42 | abrotman | erik: how old are you? |
| 00:03.53 | erik | abrotman: 22 .. I moved from downtown Montreal to here a year ago |
| 00:03.53 | arnon | FieldySnuts, ssh client: a program to connect to an ssh server |
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| 00:04.06 | abrotman | erik: dunno .. i'd live in maine if i could make the money i do in philly :) |
| 00:04.07 | FieldySnuts | arnon: you're playing stupid, and i'm done trying to help. |
| 00:04.12 | erik | wife's finishing up grad school at UMO, then I'm outta here |
| 00:04.18 | erik | I live in maine for the money, ironically enough |
| 00:04.28 | abrotman | erik: not for me .. i'd be stuck in portland .. ewwww |
| 00:04.32 | erik | job I couldn't refuse |
| 00:04.37 | erik | portland, ugh |
| 00:04.41 | abrotman | erik: husband? :) |
| 00:04.48 | erik | yeah i'm a married man |
| 00:04.58 | abrotman | i meant as your job :) |
| 00:05.00 | erik | oh |
| 00:05.04 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:05.08 | erik | Heh |
| 00:05.19 | abrotman | maine isn't that bad |
| 00:05.19 | calvin | deadcat: how do i set that? the web admin thing only lets me pick from a list of devices from /dev/usb for usb printers. |
| 00:05.26 | erik | the money goes from northern maine dialup users --> me --> my wife |
| 00:05.33 | abrotman | bangor isn't that great ... but it's a fantastic area |
| 00:05.40 | FieldySnuts | nuts in jar syndrome |
| 00:05.46 | erik | it's good if you're planning on living here for a long time |
| 00:05.48 | abrotman | erik: i can't remember the isp my mom was using |
| 00:05.52 | erik | but I'm kind of an urban guy |
| 00:05.54 | abrotman | prexar i think |
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| 00:05.58 | erik | ah |
| 00:06.05 | abrotman | not anymore though |
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| 00:06.10 | erik | I think prexar is dead |
| 00:06.20 | abrotman | they got bought .. but can't remember by who |
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| 00:06.29 | deadcat | calvin: type mount | grep usb |
| 00:06.31 | calvin | deadcat: I tried editing /etc/cups/printers.conf, but then when i reset cups, it changed back. |
| 00:06.57 | mlh407 | When i go to install debian, I get to the part about writing inode tables 101/895 and it just stops and does not go anyway...anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:07.03 | calvin | deadcat: yes, /proc/bus/usb/ is mounted. |
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| 00:07.22 | deadcat | calvin: dont know then. i use usbview to view usb devices |
| 00:07.25 | lunaphyte | how can i control the screen resolution of the console (no x)? |
| 00:07.47 | FieldySnuts | well you run framebuffer (yuck), or you don't. |
| 00:07.49 | deadcat | lunaphyte: vga=xxx in your loader |
| 00:08.08 | lunaphyte | deadcat: xxx is the code i have to figure out? |
| 00:08.12 | abrotman | but it's baseball time! |
| 00:08.13 | calvin | deadcat: is there a way to create the device file myself and specify the bus/device it is for? |
| 00:08.28 | abrotman | erik: maybe that's why you don't like it .. or think maine is bosox country .. you didn't grow up there |
| 00:08.32 | deadcat | lunaphyte: no. xxx == 3 digit. 791 is a good # for frambuffer |
| 00:08.42 | calvin | lunaphyte: have KDE? it has a nice LILO configuration tool. |
| 00:08.57 | deadcat | calvin: dont know. i have this in my fstab: none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults,devuid=1000,devgid=50,devmode=0660 0 0 |
| 00:09.02 | lunaphyte | calvin: i have no x, and grub. |
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| 00:09.43 | deadcat | lunaphyte: edit /etc/grub/menu.lst; search for kopt, add vga=791 to the end of the line. the line is commented. but its used later. then run update-grub |
| 00:09.43 | tylerwylie | is it possible to install debian via ftp install from a bootable usb pen drive? |
| 00:09.45 | calvin | deadcat: i have that too, but that isnt for actually communicating with the devices is it? i thought that was just for information about them. |
| 00:09.54 | deadcat | tylerwylie: yes |
| 00:09.57 | tylerwylie | hmm |
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| 00:10.02 | deadcat | calvin: sorry man. |
| 00:10.09 | whatever | evenin |
| 00:10.22 | deadcat | whatever! |
| 00:10.24 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:10.28 | whatever | ^_^ |
| 00:10.29 | tylerwylie | anyone able to point me to any documentation for it? |
| 00:10.37 | calvin | Anyone else know about this? I dont know which device file to use to communicate with a particular usb device, which I have the bus and device numbers for. |
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| 00:10.38 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:10.38 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, or but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 00:10.46 | abrotman | there tylerwylie |
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| 00:10.56 | nono31 | How to list a directory of a site ? |
| 00:11.14 | deadcat | tylerwylie: google and search debian install usb, first hit |
| 00:11.25 | deadcat | nono31: ? what site? |
| 00:11.27 | whatever | so, anyways....my question of the day... |
| 00:11.30 | tylerwylie | deadcat, man you ruin all the fun of pestering IRC |
| 00:11.35 | WiFiTux | nono31, please speak english, or at least try like me. |
| 00:11.46 | deadcat | tylerwylie: my fault (= |
| 00:12.21 | whatever | anyone familliar with shorewall? I'm trying to use it as a firewall configurator (unless someone can suggest something better), and I keep getting iptable errors trying to access 12fw_policychain.so |
| 00:12.48 | whatever | I'm running unstable |
| 00:12.51 | thoreauputic | whatever: apt-get install firestarter |
| 00:13.21 | whatever | thoreauputic: ...nicer to use? |
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| 00:13.55 | thoreauputic | whatever: dead simple, with a startup wizard, NAT... most things you'll need |
| 00:13.56 | yonkeltron | if you delete /var/lib/dpkg/available will apt make a new one when you run apt-get update? |
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| 00:14.33 | whatever | thoreauputic: hm, I'm not using an x-server, looks like this requires it. |
| 00:14.54 | thoreauputic | whatever: ah, yes it is an X app |
| 00:15.33 | whatever | thoreauputic: hmmm, its just a front-end to iptables, right? ...I could probably remotely run it and just end the session when I'm not configuring it. |
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| 00:17.21 | thoreauputic | whatever: or copy the script it generates, maybe |
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| 00:17.43 | excaliber | Generic questin about RAM. |
| 00:17.44 | whatever | thoreauputic: good call |
| 00:18.04 | excaliber | If I have a 512MB stick of PC2100, can I use another stick of PC2700 along with it? |
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| 00:18.12 | excaliber | It will just clock down to PC2100, correct? |
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| 00:18.50 | yaarg | excaliber: yes |
| 00:18.56 | excaliber | Ok, thanks |
| 00:18.58 | excaliber | Thought so |
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| 00:19.14 | lanchow | can anyone help me ? i can't write to my usb disk(ext3) as user, AND i have rw in fstab and i can mount the disk as user |
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| 00:21.06 | seberino__ | Does postfix only SEND email by default? What do you have to do to main.cf to make it RECEIVE mail too? |
| 00:21.12 | tylerwylie | deadcat, that assume's i'm already running debian :( |
| 00:21.48 | deadcat | tylerwylie: well duhhh |
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| 00:22.09 | tylerwylie | deadcat, well, i'm not running debian, or else why would i need the USB key to install debian from |
| 00:22.11 | calvin | are CUPS printers' states supposed to keep being changed to Stop, perhaps when they arent being used? because it keeps being set to stop, but it isnt giving any errors... |
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| 00:22.54 | deadcat | tylerwylie: you have a live cd? or any linux? still works |
| 00:23.02 | tylerwylie | deadcat, Gentoo |
| 00:23.22 | deadcat | tylerwylie: works the same. just download those file and use zcat to > to /dev/sda1 |
| 00:23.37 | tylerwylie | deadcat, i have no fsckin clue what zcat is hehe |
| 00:23.54 | tylerwylie | deadcat, but hey, pink floyd rules |
| 00:24.17 | deadcat | tylerwylie: then you arent following that howto |
| 00:24.40 | tylerwylie | deadcat, well i don't see where it says what zcat is |
| 00:25.10 | calvin | doesnt anyone here use CUPS? |
| 00:25.19 | tylerwylie | cups is for pansies |
| 00:25.19 | deadcat | tylerwylie: zcat boot.img.gz >/dev/sda1 |
| 00:25.27 | deadcat | tylerwylie: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 00:25.28 | tylerwylie | yes, i can do that |
| 00:25.33 | tylerwylie | but i want to know what zcat is |
| 00:25.36 | erik | debian is for pansies |
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| 00:25.48 | abrotman | !info zcat |
| 00:25.53 | tylerwylie | and deadcat i don't know where boot.img.gz is, where i download it, etc |
| 00:25.55 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:25.56 | deadcat | lazy pansies |
| 00:26.24 | erik | is ubuntu debian-compatible? |
| 00:26.28 | erik | or just debian-derived |
| 00:26.28 | abrotman | no |
| 00:26.29 | calvin | tylerwylie: what do you suggest then? |
| 00:26.32 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 00:26.33 | dpkg | ubuntu is probably NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 00:26.33 | xuser_ | in 10.0.0.0/8 what does the /8 means? |
| 00:26.44 | abrotman | erik: it's one of the debian-based distros |
| 00:26.48 | abrotman | !debian based |
| 00:26.49 | dpkg | i heard debian based is Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 00:27.14 | erik | abrotman: yeah, but can you use it and then apt-get install stuff from debian? or is it divergent |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | xuser_: it's the netmask |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | xuser_: the subnet notation |
| 00:27.25 | lunaphyte | deadcat: thanks |
| 00:27.36 | abrotman | go sox :) |
| 00:27.38 | deadcat | lunaphyte: cool |
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| 00:27.43 | abrotman | leadoff homer |
| 00:27.44 | deadcat | abrotman: johnny = jesus |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | erik: i'm not sure .. it may or may not work right |
| 00:27.59 | xuser_ | abrotman: like from 10.0.0.0 to 10.0.0.8 ? |
| 00:28.03 | abrotman | deadcat: dunno about that |
| 00:28.15 | abrotman | xuser_: no .. it's from 10.0.0.0 to 10.255.255.255 |
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| 00:28.19 | abrotman | !netmask |
| 00:28.19 | lunaphyte | fieldysnuts: why framebuffer=yuck? |
| 00:28.19 | dpkg | i heard netmask is the number of bits in an IP address that are the same, and a neat little program that enables one to calculate ranges, netmask pairs, CIDR lists, Cisco lists, addresses in hex, octal, binary, etc. from a address specification. |
| 00:28.24 | ark3 | Where can I ask simple questions about soundcards? |
| 00:28.36 | xuser_ | abrotman: ah ok thanks |
| 00:28.40 | abrotman | ark3: is it debian? |
| 00:28.47 | ark3 | abrotman: Yes. |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | xuser_: google for 'netmask |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | ' |
| 00:28.53 | abrotman | ark3: what's wrong? |
| 00:28.57 | xuser_ | k |
| 00:29.13 | ark3 | abrotman: Just trying to figure out what soundcard to buy for my Debian unstable box. |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:29.23 | ark3 | abrotman: I'm looking for suggestions. |
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| 00:29.58 | abrotman | ark3: well .. i go for the cheap ones :) .. or builtin . my laptop is builtin .. the last card i bought was .. es1371 compatible |
| 00:30.13 | abrotman | SB128 or something .. i don't remember |
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| 00:30.32 | abrotman | xam: yeah .. it's not the best . but i don't really like sound all that much coming from my computer :) |
| 00:30.42 | Wowzer | hello all...is there a maximum uptime for debian? As in, do I need to restart for any particular reasons? |
| 00:30.47 | ark3 | abrotman: The builtin (i.e. motherboard) audio on my system is what I've put up with, but it has a lack of ports, so I can't have six channels of audio and a line-in at the same time. |
| 00:30.55 | abrotman | Wowzer: not really .. only kernel/libc updates |
| 00:30.58 | erik | Wowzer: yeah, if you don't restart every 92 days there's memory corruption |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | erik: that's not nice |
| 00:31.09 | erik | Wowzer: ... or not |
| 00:31.26 | xam | abrotman: well, I have better-than-average hearing - and I like music ... so no cheap audio hardware for me |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | ark3: so you like your sound cards? |
| 00:31.31 | Wowzer | heheh...thanks abrotman. |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | xam: i do have great hearing . but i don't listen to music from my computer .. that's why they make stereos :) |
| 00:31.57 | abrotman | xam: i'm also not a gamer |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | xam: so .. why spend more than like $20 for a sound card that plays crap anyways ? |
| 00:32.12 | Wowzer | excellent...I've had it up for 175 days...just was curious... |
| 00:32.13 | ark3 | abrotman: I want my DVDs in 5.1, which I have now, but I also need a line-in, due to my tv card. |
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| 00:32.34 | erik | Wowzer: I've got a few machines with a 500+day uptime |
| 00:32.35 | ark3 | abrotman: So I'm willing to settle for cheap stuff, as long as it has enough ports and works in Debian. |
| 00:32.42 | erik | so ... you'll be fine for a while yet |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | ark3: if linux supports it .. it should work in debian .. so find the card you want .. google for support |
| 00:32.45 | FieldySnuts | and a few remove kernel vulns |
| 00:32.48 | bkerin | how can I set a file to be automaticly deleted when a process terminates (like tmpfile behavior?) |
| 00:32.52 | FieldySnuts | remote |
| 00:32.55 | JOn_k | any idea where i can get the source code for /bin/false ? |
| 00:32.57 | erik | FieldySnuts: only local, I believe? |
| 00:32.59 | xam | abrotman: OTOH I'm not some illusional 'HiEnd' audiophile that buy $3000 USD cd players |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | xam: but you play CDs and games on your computer? |
| 00:33.21 | abrotman | or oggs/mp3s |
| 00:33.23 | Wowzer | cool...that's nice to know...my 175 days is nuthin. |
| 00:33.34 | lunaphyte | why might i have a 2 minute pause when booting, after grub displays "grub loading stage1.5.", before it shows kernel choices? |
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| 00:33.38 | helix | ark3: go for soundblaster cards or something |
| 00:33.49 | xam | abrotman: I don't play CDs on my PC. I *hardly* play MP3s on my PC (I actually have none on my PC) |
| 00:33.50 | erik | Wowzer: you might want to upgrade your kernel though. There have been a few vulnerabilities in Linux lately. |
| 00:33.54 | calvin | What does it mean when a CUPS printer is stopped? does that mean it cant print right now or its waiting for a job to print? |
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| 00:34.00 | xam | abrotman: but I play games ;) |
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| 00:34.02 | Wowzer | k...doing now. |
| 00:34.10 | erik | calvin: I believe it means that it's "turned off" |
| 00:34.20 | abrotman | xam: ah . see .. i don't .. so .. i could care less .. i'd rather spend the money on a car stereo or home stereo .. |
| 00:34.22 | calvin | erik: but ah, it also says its accepting jobs.. |
| 00:34.22 | erik | calvin: as in, CUPS pretends it's turned off until you "start" it |
| 00:34.23 | nono31 | deadcat, WiFiTux: http://www.casabrancanet.com.br/busca/fotos/Locacao/ I want to list the file of the directory... The site is fucking asp and the links does not work... (pitures with spaces, coma, and separation are '/' ... window$ inside) |
| 00:34.30 | erik | calvin: try to send a job to it? |
| 00:34.33 | calvin | erik: every time i start it, it stops it again. |
| 00:34.39 | erik | weird |
| 00:34.43 | calvin | erik: i have a test page pending. |
| 00:34.44 | derf | anyone know how to tell apt to not remove a package that's been force installed? I did "dpkg -i --force-depends" and now apt-get install wants to remove it |
| 00:34.45 | abrotman | nono31: you can't |
| 00:34.49 | FieldySnuts | that'll teach you to use asp site |
| 00:34.50 | FieldySnuts | s |
| 00:34.54 | xam | abrotman: my current workstation doesn't even have sound support compiled in ... |
| 00:34.55 | deadcat | nono31: wget --mirror ? |
| 00:34.59 | ark3 | helix: So an SB live will work okay on Debian? |
| 00:35.04 | calvin | erik: there are no errors... i dont know if its using the right device tho, i dont know for sure how to find which one to use... |
| 00:35.07 | abrotman | ark3: it should |
| 00:35.08 | Wowzer | that's odd..I had 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. when I tried to apt-get upgrade. |
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| 00:35.22 | abrotman | xam: yep .. so that's why i say .. get the $20 sound card :) |
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| 00:35.31 | ark3 | Thanks folks. |
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| 00:35.39 | xam | abrotman: well, that would be a waste of $20 in my case ;) |
| 00:35.39 | pipeline | abrotman: You can get a pretty damn good sound card for 20$, anyway. |
| 00:35.42 | erik | ark3: the sblive works great with debian, the driver is called "emu10k1" |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | xam: i don't wathc movies, play games, listen to music ... it's just a complicated PC speaker to me :) |
| 00:35.51 | nono31 | deadcat: hum, i don't think there is mirror for this site... |
| 00:36.14 | sorsis | when i test game engine all my objects are white. why? |
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| 00:36.31 | calvin | deadcat: what do you say you used for usb devices? |
| 00:36.33 | ark3 | I should be able to get an SB Live for about 30 bucks. Kewl. |
| 00:36.35 | Linforcer | Heyhey... can anyone tell me how I mount my fat partitions in such a way that nautilus will actually read (and copy) from them without me having to start it up as root? |
| 00:36.41 | sorsis | whops... |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | pipeline: the last i got for 20$ was a sb128 or something |
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| 00:36.59 | abrotman | pipeline: but this was like 4 years ago i guess |
| 00:37.01 | Error_X | Is there any good wlan configuration programs for console? |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | iwconfig ? |
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| 00:37.16 | helix | ark3: works great |
| 00:37.22 | Error_X | k |
| 00:37.28 | abrotman | i'm asking |
| 00:37.34 | abrotman | i think that is what you want |
| 00:38.08 | Wowzer | thx all...logging. |
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| 00:38.08 | Linforcer | anyone? |
| 00:38.08 | The_Vult1re | no |
| 00:38.08 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 00:38.08 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 00:38.16 | abrotman | Linforcer: you want to mount your fat partitions as a normal person? |
| 00:38.22 | Error_X | could not find iwconfig |
| 00:38.30 | abrotman | !find iwconfig |
| 00:38.36 | Error_X | !find iwconfig |
| 00:38.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (1 shown): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools. |
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| 00:38.41 | Linforcer | yeah well, I want to be able to copy from and read them (possibly write) as a normal user |
| 00:38.42 | Guerin | Linforcer: man fstab; look at "users" and "umask" |
| 00:38.48 | Linforcer | thanks |
| 00:38.49 | abrotman | Linforcer: man mount |
| 00:38.54 | Linforcer | tried that |
| 00:39.00 | Linforcer | ill check the fstab thing |
| 00:39.05 | Linforcer | the mount man didnt tell me much |
| 00:39.05 | calvin | I think I'm missing the usblp module, how do i get it? it isnt in /lib/modules |
| 00:39.11 | abrotman | Linforcer: it did to |
| 00:39.14 | Error_X | Didn't find any wireless extensions |
| 00:39.19 | jcole | how would i see all the combinations (at the command prompt) of all the selections i have for a particular debconf configuration entry (for example xserver-xfree86/config/device/driver.. which on my machine is set to i810...) ? |
| 00:39.22 | Guerin | the umask info is in man mount too; that's the important bit |
| 00:39.23 | Linforcer | Ok, I'll check agaoin |
| 00:39.25 | Error_X | I have installed the drivers |
| 00:39.39 | Linforcer | sorry for bothering without checking thoroughly |
| 00:39.48 | Guerin | calvin: debian kernel? |
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| 00:39.54 | abrotman | Linforcer: man mount and man fstab .. those should do it |
| 00:40.01 | Linforcer | thanks ^^ |
| 00:40.12 | Error_X | what is the WLAN interfaces named? |
| 00:40.26 | FieldySnuts | depends on the card |
| 00:40.34 | Error_X | Nokia C110 |
| 00:40.38 | FieldySnuts | no clue |
| 00:40.47 | Error_X | How do I find it? I have installed the drivers |
| 00:40.48 | calvin | Guerin: yes. |
| 00:40.48 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 00:40.49 | FieldySnuts | all i know is wireless in linux is a joke and a major pain in the ass, i wish you good luck |
| 00:41.02 | calvin | Guerin: 2.2.20 |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: my wifi was easier than my 10/100 :) |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | real kernel! |
| 00:41.17 | Guerin | calvin: that kernel doesn't support usb |
| 00:41.25 | Guerin | !real kernel |
| 00:41.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . |
| 00:41.27 | abrotman | !tell calvin about real kernel |
| 00:41.33 | Error_X | prism2cs_init: prism2_cs.so: 0.2.1-pre21 loaded |
| 00:41.38 | FieldySnuts | badgerwang |
| 00:41.44 | Error_X | prism2cs_init: dev_info is: prism2_cs |
| 00:42.41 | calvin | abrotman: thanks. i dont use debian much, just admin the church computer running it :-) |
| 00:42.55 | Error_X | ah, wlan0 |
| 00:42.59 | abrotman | calvin: fitting nick :) |
| 00:43.05 | calvin | Guerin: the kernel has lots of other usb modules, just not the usblp one. |
| 00:43.14 | calvin | abrotman: how so? |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | calvinists |
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| 00:43.50 | abrotman | !fuck comcast dns |
| 00:43.55 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 00:44.18 | abrotman | calvin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism |
| 00:44.30 | calvin | abrotman: no, they dont worship _me_... yet. (my name actually is calvin) |
| 00:44.40 | calvin | and i am very aware of the religion, i made many puns of it in highschool. |
| 00:44.52 | abrotman | go sox! |
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| 00:45.33 | calvin | will apt-get'ting the kernel update lilo and all that? |
| 00:46.02 | abrotman | calvin: you must pay very very very close attention to what it tells you about initrd |
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| 00:46.08 | abrotman | calvin: if you do not .. it will not boot up |
| 00:46.18 | calvin | abrotman: thats a bad thing. |
| 00:46.33 | abrotman | calvin: i know . that's why i'm telling you to pay attention |
| 00:46.42 | calvin | abrotman: you are so thoughtful. |
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| 00:46.47 | jharrison | my fonts are still messed up with -1 |
| 00:46.48 | Linforcer | :'( |
| 00:47.02 | calvin | ugh... this stupid, slow-as-hell connection... |
| 00:47.03 | abrotman | !comfort jharrison |
| 00:47.04 | dpkg | There, there, jharrison. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | calvin: how slow? |
| 00:47.14 | jharrison | its NOT ok! |
| 00:47.14 | calvin | abrotman: DSL |
| 00:47.18 | Linforcer | I mounted the partition with user, but still it shows all the files as unknown file type rather than folders and such |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | calvin: how slow can it be? |
| 00:47.42 | jharrison | two things you dont mess with when it comes to a man and his computer |
| 00:47.48 | jharrison | fonts and inet connection |
| 00:47.51 | abrotman | poprn and fonts? |
| 00:47.53 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:47.54 | calvin | abrotman: compared to my 3+Mbps cable connection? |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | calvin: yay cable |
| 00:48.04 | abrotman | !fuck comcast dns |
| 00:48.09 | calvin | abrotman: amen to that, brotha' |
| 00:48.18 | abrotman | weasel: sorry |
| 00:48.20 | calvin | who the hell programmed dpkg? |
| 00:48.25 | abrotman | !what are you |
| 00:48.25 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 00:48.46 | abrotman | calvin: we all did .. we're bad |
| 00:48.51 | abrotman | !stats |
| 00:48.51 | dpkg | Since Tue Oct 12 06:14:54 2004, there have been 208 modifications, 8289 questions, 1988 dunnos, 27 morons and 2638 commands. I have been awake for 15d 18h 33m 59s this session, and currently reference 24607 factoids. I'm using about 17664 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2981.32/144.69 child 3005.58/254.02 |
| 00:48.54 | jharrison | abrotman: are you fonts messed up? |
| 00:48.57 | abrotman | calvin: he has a lot |
| 00:49.04 | jharrison | s/you/your |
| 00:49.06 | abrotman | jharrison: sid> |
| 00:49.07 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:49.09 | jharrison | yes |
| 00:49.17 | abrotman | now you people know why i don't run sid :) |
| 00:49.20 | tylerwylie | pink floyd rules |
| 00:49.21 | jharrison | what would really piss me off is if YOUR fonts were ok |
| 00:49.26 | abrotman | i let you all catch the silly bugs |
| 00:49.27 | jharrison | but mine are messed up |
| 00:49.32 | abrotman | tylerwylie: no .. |
| 00:49.35 | jharrison | sarge? |
| 00:49.37 | Error_X | WLAN is just a mess in Linux |
| 00:49.39 | jharrison | you run sarge? |
| 00:49.39 | abrotman | jharrison: yep |
| 00:49.44 | tylerwylie | abrotman, there is no god, there is only pink floyd :P |
| 00:49.46 | jharrison | son of a bitch |
| 00:49.46 | abrotman | Error_X: #wireless |
| 00:49.59 | jharrison | tylerwylie: pink floyd is dead |
| 00:50.07 | abrotman | tylerwylie: you must not have seen the photo .. Clapton Is God :) |
| 00:50.15 | jharrison | clapton is dead |
| 00:50.21 | whatever | here here |
| 00:50.22 | jharrison | they are all DEAD! |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | now .. paul simon .. he kicks ass |
| 00:50.35 | whatever | rofl |
| 00:50.36 | jharrison | well |
| 00:50.38 | jharrison | thats true |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | it wasn't a joke |
| 00:50.50 | abrotman | he can't sing worth a damn |
| 00:50.53 | abrotman | but man . he can play |
| 00:50.54 | jharrison | paul simon DOES kick ass |
| 00:51.02 | abrotman | but .. clapton is god |
| 00:51.12 | jharrison | your god is dead |
| 00:51.12 | whatever | ...you didn't specify :P |
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| 00:51.29 | jharrison | !kill clapton |
| 00:51.32 | abrotman | jharrison: no .. he just stopped doing drugs :) |
| 00:51.33 | calvin | abrotman: it says to add that "initrd=/initrd.img" line to lilo.conf, but that file doesnt exist, so is that a bad thing? |
| 00:51.42 | abrotman | calvin: yes it does |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | calvin: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 00:51.51 | jharrison | abrotman: he is still dying |
| 00:51.57 | jharrison | abrotman: and one day he will be dead |
| 00:52.04 | calvin | abrotman: i dont see it.. |
| 00:52.07 | whatever | heheh, nite guys |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | jharrison: it's ok .. he's a much better guitar player than you or I will ever be |
| 00:52.10 | tylerwylie | jharrison, no, they are more alive than any other band in existance |
| 00:52.14 | abrotman | calvin: ls -l /etc/lilo.conf |
| 00:52.22 | tylerwylie | clapton is the 2nd best guitarist in the world imo, 1st being knopfler |
| 00:52.28 | abrotman | wrong |
| 00:52.48 | lunaphyte | jeff buckley |
| 00:52.53 | calvin | abrotman: no, i mean the /initrd.img file doesnt exist |
| 00:52.54 | abrotman | claptop still better |
| 00:52.55 | jharrison | they asked clapton once how does it feel to be the best guitar player in the world |
| 00:52.58 | jharrison | and he said |
| 00:52.58 | jharrison | I wouldnt know |
| 00:52.59 | abrotman | calvin: it will |
| 00:53.03 | tylerwylie | abrotman, you know what IMO means? |
| 00:53.07 | calvin | abrotman: OK, i wanted to make sure. |
| 00:53.07 | jharrison | ask some dude |
| 00:53.12 | jharrison | cant remember his name |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | jharrison: that's being humble |
| 00:53.19 | abrotman | jharrison: jj cale? |
| 00:53.33 | abrotman | robert johnson? |
| 00:53.37 | calvin | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 00:53.37 | calvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.37 | calvin | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 00:53.48 | jharrison | phil keaggy |
| 00:53.57 | abrotman | calvin: why? |
| 00:54.02 | abrotman | there should be an earlier error |
| 00:54.14 | Mo666 | is there a way to start an application on a remote computer via ssh and then log off while keeping the application running? |
| 00:54.17 | jharrison | they asked that dude who taught the metalica dude to playt he same question |
| 00:54.20 | jharrison | and he said the same thing |
| 00:54.22 | abrotman | Mo666: nohup |
| 00:54.31 | jharrison | I woudlnt know ask phil keaggy |
| 00:54.38 | Mo666 | thanks abrotman |
| 00:55.14 | jharrison | you guys wouldnt like phil keaggy though |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:55.41 | jharrison | he is a Christian |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | so? |
| 00:55.58 | jharrison | oh |
| 00:56.00 | calvin | abrotman: i didnt see any other errors. |
| 00:56.01 | jharrison | well maybe you would then |
| 00:56.04 | abrotman | calvin: there has to be |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | calvin: try it again |
| 00:56.11 | calvin | abrotman: and the 2.4 kernels wont even begin to install |
| 00:56.20 | jharrison | calvin: 2.6? |
| 00:56.20 | Guerin | talking about the best guitarists, you have to talk genre |
| 00:56.22 | abrotman | calvin: because the other is in limbo |
| 00:56.30 | abrotman | Guerin: no you don't :) |
| 00:56.37 | jharrison | all I saw just then was blah blah blah genre |
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| 00:57.11 | calvin | actually maybe id rather a 2.4 for this box.. how do i un-limbo that so i can just isntall 2.4? |
| 00:57.23 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:57.29 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 00:57.32 | calvin | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386_2.6.8-4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 00:57.32 | calvin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.32 | dpkg | You are moron #28, calvin |
| 00:57.44 | Guerin | abrotman: if you want it to mean anything. And if you want to give any value to those guitarists who aren't showboaters. |
| 00:57.53 | abrotman | van halen? :) |
| 00:57.58 | Guerin | ecchhh |
| 00:58.00 | calvin | i wasn't talking to the damn bot! |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | apt-get -f install said that? |
| 00:58.14 | Guerin | calvin: yes, you were :) |
| 00:58.29 | bloom | dpkg: don't insult calvin |
| 00:58.29 | dpkg | no idea, bloom |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | dpkg: go away |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | ricki lake's audience has a style? |
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| 00:59.26 | Guerin | abrotman: yes. |
| 00:59.33 | calvin | abrotman: yes, and then the other error again. |
| 00:59.34 | Guerin | not style, but A style. |
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| 00:59.49 | abrotman | how about B style? |
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| 01:00.21 | abrotman | calvin: and there's no error on why? |
| 01:00.39 | bloom | .quit |
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| 01:01.07 | calvin | wait a second... |
| 01:01.20 | abrotman | now .. waaiiit a minute |
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| 01:02.00 | abrotman | you know it makes me wanna shout |
| 01:02.00 | huttan | anyone installed debian with an abit ic-7 max3 motherboard ? |
| 01:02.08 | huttan | cause i cant seem to find any drivers for it |
| 01:02.10 | abrotman | huttan: ask a more specific question |
| 01:02.12 | calvin | i _may_ have read "Do you want to stop now?" as "Do you want to continue now?" |
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| 01:02.14 | abrotman | huttan: drivers? |
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| 01:02.32 | abrotman | !aid calvin |
| 01:02.38 | genixpro | all i want is debain with hardware autodetection, is mepis the way to go? |
| 01:02.41 | huttan | abrotman, modules or whatever |
| 01:02.47 | abrotman | huttan: uname -r |
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| 01:03.07 | initech | genixpro: dunno, the latest sarge installer is pretty damn good at that |
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| 01:03.14 | Guerin | genixpro: no, sarge is the way to go. |
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| 01:03.33 | initech | genixpro: unless this is some sort of production machine |
| 01:03.37 | huttan | abrotman, how will that help me ? |
| 01:03.37 | genixpro | i already bouhgt debain, used it for a couple months, then retreated back to windows missing my games |
| 01:03.45 | abrotman | huttan: it will help me |
| 01:03.52 | huttan | abrotman, it's not even installed |
| 01:03.56 | huttan | abrotman, i cant find my raid array |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | huttan: then how do you know it doesn't work? |
| 01:04.02 | abrotman | oh |
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| 01:04.04 | abrotman | sata? |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | amd64? |
| 01:04.06 | huttan | yes |
| 01:04.08 | huttan | sata |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | amd64? |
| 01:04.16 | huttan | nope, p4 |
| 01:04.17 | genixpro | and i want to advance back to linux, but id rather autodetect my hardware thrn dit around and fool with it |
| 01:04.20 | eventide | hm, I have my user and an alias (/etc/aliases) for my user both subscribed to my smartlist mailing list... yet it seems to not like this; messages sent from either address do not get through. I think smartlist is trying to be too smart... (exim4 mta) |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 01:04.21 | dpkg | [sata faq] at http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 01:04.30 | huttan | ah, nice 0) |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | huttan: which install er did you use? |
| 01:04.41 | abrotman | s/l e/le |
| 01:04.43 | calvin | thanks abrotman, rebooting now! |
| 01:04.46 | huttan | how do you mean ? |
| 01:04.47 | abrotman | calvin: wait. |
| 01:04.59 | abrotman | huttan: which installer did you use? woody or sarge? |
| 01:05.08 | Neb1e | is there any adress i should check which of my hardware work together with debian ? |
| 01:05.11 | calvin | abrotman: what? am i standing on a landmine? |
| 01:05.31 | abrotman | calvin: did you add that line to the vmlinuz section? |
| 01:05.37 | calvin | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | calvin: you're sure? |
| 01:05.50 | calvin | abrotman: yes.. |
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| 01:06.09 | abrotman | calvin: ok . then reboot .. (you may also wish to uncomment prompt/timeout/delay in that file) |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | and rerun /sbin/lilo |
| 01:06.27 | Guerin | Neb1e: debian doesn't support hardware, linux does |
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| 01:06.38 | rue_mohr | @find avr-gcc |
| 01:06.53 | Guerin | Neb1e: check a hardware compatibility list like red hat, suse or mandy maintains |
| 01:07.03 | Rez | rue_mohr: msg the bots. |
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| 01:08.13 | swim_love | guys I am running into some problems trying to configure X-windows |
| 01:08.30 | genixpro | so should i stick debian or go with a direivitive |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | yay debian |
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| 01:08.41 | huttan | abrotman, cool |
| 01:08.44 | huttan | i'll try this |
| 01:08.44 | Guerin | genixpro: debian, of course. |
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| 01:08.48 | huttan | thank you |
| 01:08.50 | swim_love | I have a Nvidia FX 5200 & a flat panel monitor |
| 01:08.55 | swim_love | can someone help me |
| 01:08.57 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'avr-gcc' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/{avr-gcc|avr-gcc-3.4.1|avr-gccbug}) in devel/gcc-avr. |
| 01:09.00 | abrotman | try what? |
| 01:09.13 | Guerin | swim_love: what error do you get, what driver are you usinf for xfree86 |
| 01:09.13 | Guerin | ? |
| 01:09.14 | huttan | whats on the page |
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| 01:09.38 | huttan | abrotman, will switching to legacy ata mode find the raid array tho ? |
| 01:09.50 | swim_love | I am using xserver-xfree86, trying to reconfigure |
| 01:09.55 | swim_love | I used nv,vesa |
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| 01:10.01 | abrotman | huttan: nfc .. i don't use sata stuff |
| 01:10.03 | nxvl | hi |
| 01:10.08 | swim_love | but finally I end up with screens not found |
| 01:10.08 | abrotman | huttan: which installer did you try? |
| 01:10.11 | nxvl | i'm having a problem |
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| 01:10.32 | Guerin | that card should work fine with nv |
| 01:10.39 | nxvl | i'm installing vmware in mi Debian Sarge |
| 01:10.44 | Guerin | !noscreensfound |
| 01:10.44 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, read /var/log/XFree86.* and see what's wrong. No, really. READ it. I mean it. Really read it. See 'supported by'. |
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| 01:10.59 | Guerin | swim_love: say no to the kernel framebuffer? |
| 01:11.05 | swim_love | yes, I did that |
| 01:11.06 | abrotman | huttan: which installer did you try? |
| 01:11.22 | guestish | hi |
| 01:11.27 | initech | why would anyone use the kernel framebuffer as an X driver? |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | because they can? |
| 01:11.41 | guestish | heh |
| 01:11.45 | initech | abrotman: is there some advantage to it? |
| 01:11.46 | swim_love | hey Guerin, do you want me to try the instruction you just printed |
| 01:11.54 | guestish | initech: its for unsupported cards |
| 01:11.58 | huttan | abrotman, just regular debian one |
| 01:12.05 | Guerin | swim_love: yes |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | huttan: sarge or woody? |
| 01:12.13 | abrotman | huttan: where did you download it from? |
| 01:12.24 | swim_love | and should the driver be nv |
| 01:12.30 | Guerin | swim_love: yes. |
| 01:12.45 | initech | guestish: i figured, but it seems almost "recommended" in some circles, which i find strange, since i've never met anyone using it |
| 01:12.47 | swim_love | alright I am working at it |
| 01:12.53 | huttan | abrotman, woody |
| 01:12.57 | huttan | pudas |
| 01:12.57 | guestish | initech: meh |
| 01:12.58 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 01:12.58 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, or but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 01:13.00 | abrotman | huttan: ^^ |
| 01:13.02 | abrotman | try that |
| 01:13.11 | guestish | arg, friggin stable isnt ready yet |
| 01:13.33 | nvs | guestish: I'll be read when it's ready |
| 01:13.37 | Guerin | guestish: ? |
| 01:13.37 | nxvl | can someona helpme please? |
| 01:13.40 | guestish | !smack nvs |
| 01:13.41 | abrotman | huttan: it can instal with a 2.6 kernel .. woody has only 2.2 and 2.4 |
| 01:13.49 | nvs | Ow! |
| 01:13.51 | initech | what version of 2.4 is in woody these days? |
| 01:13.57 | abrotman | same as always |
| 01:13.59 | abrotman | 2.4.18 |
| 01:14.00 | guestish | Guerin: sarge takes forever |
| 01:14.09 | Guerin | guestish: to do what? |
| 01:14.19 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:14.19 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 01:14.22 | guestish | Guerin: to stablize |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | duh |
| 01:14.25 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 01:14.26 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 01:14.27 | sorsis | guestish: it works allready guite well |
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| 01:14.33 | guestish | sorsis: well yeah, but its not *stable* |
| 01:14.41 | sorsis | stable enough |
| 01:14.44 | xam | initech: some people have to use it, mostly those running Linux on non-intel platforms |
| 01:14.51 | swim_love | Guerin, do I need all of the server modules to be loaded by default(GLcore,bitmap,dbe,....) |
| 01:14.57 | Guerin | changing daily is stable enough for you? Not for me. |
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| 01:15.15 | Guerin | swim_love: yeah, just leave all that modules stuff as default with nv. |
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| 01:15.29 | swim_love | okay |
| 01:15.35 | calvin | abrotman: help! |
| 01:15.47 | abrotman | calvin: your pants on backwards? |
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| 01:15.54 | abrotman | i hate it when that happens |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | it makes peeing so damn hard |
| 01:16.02 | calvin | abrotman: now X wont run. it says it cant use /dev/agpgart, but its there and the module is loaded. |
| 01:16.03 | tam | lol |
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| 01:16.18 | abrotman | calvin: lsmod .. it's there? |
| 01:16.18 | Guerin | abrotman: peeing is still easy, just getting it in the toilet is tricky. |
| 01:16.24 | swim_love | Guerin, config is done - should I do 'startx' |
| 01:16.26 | abrotman | Guerin: true |
| 01:16.29 | Guerin | swim_love: yes |
| 01:16.30 | sorsis | Guerin: it hasn't crashed sinse i udpated dri packages. packets are rather new. only bugs what annoy me aren't because of sarge. |
| 01:16.31 | calvin | abrotman: what you do, see... is you cut a small hole in the back of all your pants, and when you wear them normal, you say, "Thats incase I grow a tail!" |
| 01:16.32 | huttan | abrotman, whats the diff between woody and sarge ? |
| 01:16.38 | calvin | abrotman: yep. |
| 01:16.39 | tam | apt: ~wir |
| 01:16.40 | jon_k_ | when i start kde under my normal user accounts i get device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied) any idea how to fix this? |
| 01:16.45 | tam | ~wir |
| 01:16.46 | apt | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 01:16.52 | tam | ~rns |
| 01:16.54 | tam | ~rsn |
| 01:16.55 | apt | rsn is, like, Real Soon Now |
| 01:16.55 | abrotman | huttan: sarge will be the next release of debian |
| 01:17.02 | Guerin | sorsis: I'm not talking about bugs, I'm taalking about changes. That's what stable means after all: doesn't change. |
| 01:17.04 | abrotman | calvin: ls -l /dev/agpgart |
| 01:17.06 | huttan | nice |
| 01:17.18 | huttan | abrotman, so this installer will automatically detect my sata+raid you think ? |
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| 01:17.38 | calvin | abrotman: crw-rw---- ... root video ... |
| 01:17.40 | swim_love | Guerin, it failed again - message is ' Assigning device section with no busID to primary device (EE) No devices detected |
| 01:17.44 | abrotman | huttan: possibly .. i dn't have sata .. and certainly not in raid |
| 01:17.47 | jisao | Once Sarge is release, what will the testing distribution be called? |
| 01:17.51 | swim_love | Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 01:17.55 | abrotman | jisao: etch |
| 01:18.11 | abrotman | calvin: do you need acclerated X for the machine |
| 01:18.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:18.13 | jisao | oh. |
| 01:18.21 | tam | anyone having problems with exim under unstable? |
| 01:18.25 | Guerin | swim_love: have you manually edited your XF86Config-4 ? |
| 01:18.30 | Guerin | swim_love: at any time? |
| 01:18.34 | calvin | abrotman: i need more than vga with 8 bit color and 480x320.. |
| 01:18.38 | guestish | how does the L2 cache affect computer speed? |
| 01:18.39 | bloom | anyone ever seen this? |
| 01:18.39 | bloom | [bloom@cat-in-the-hat ~]$ ssh 192.168.1.101 |
| 01:18.39 | bloom | buffer_get: trying to get more bytes 4 than in buffer 0 |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | calvin: you don't need agp fro that |
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| 01:18.53 | calvin | abrotman: some small amounts of media work are done on here. |
| 01:18.56 | abrotman | guestish: are you serious? |
| 01:19.03 | abrotman | calvin: like gimp? or blender? |
| 01:19.06 | guestish | abrotman: somewhat |
| 01:19.07 | calvin | abrotman: gimp |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | calvin: you don't need agp for that either |
| 01:19.18 | abrotman | calvin: is it nvidia card? |
| 01:19.28 | calvin | abrotman: i do for this card, as i was told. its an intel. i810 driver. |
| 01:19.36 | bloom | cat-in-the-hat is running ssh=3.8.1p1-8.sarge.2 (on a sid box - strange) and 192.168.1.101 (little-cat-a) is running the same version |
| 01:19.42 | swim_love | yes Guerin, I have edited it - but not after the configuration |
| 01:19.42 | guestish | abrotman: i'll go with yes |
| 01:19.48 | guestish | abrotman: i am serious |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | calvin: hmm .. try loading discover maybe |
| 01:19.58 | abrotman | guestish: you mean instead of L1? |
| 01:20.01 | guestish | abrotman: i know it affect speed, just i dont know in what way |
| 01:20.08 | Guerin | swim_love: ok, once you edit it, dpkg-reconfigure won't change it until you reset the md5sum |
| 01:20.13 | guestish | abrotman: like a standard 256 L2 cache processor vs a meg one |
| 01:20.20 | abrotman | registers->L1->L2->RAM->HDD |
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| 01:20.35 | Guerin | swim_love: read the comments at the top of the file for how to reset it. The problem is that any changes you make using dpkg-reconfigure aren't being saved. |
| 01:20.38 | guestish | abrotman: so its like having more ram? |
| 01:20.50 | swim_love | hmm, that makes sense, |
| 01:20.56 | abrotman | guestish: L1 is very fast .. L2 is not so .. RAM is less .. HDD is slow |
| 01:21.02 | guestish | abrotman: oh, ok |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | guestish: the problem comes if you have a Miss |
| 01:21.16 | Guerin | I think debconf should error when it can't edit a config because of md5 changes - as it is it just fails silently. |
| 01:21.18 | guestish | abrotman: a miss? |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | guestish: if you have a large L2 cache .... and you miss there .. and then miss RAM .. it's slows you down |
| 01:21.25 | calvin | abrotman: a module? |
| 01:21.31 | abrotman | calvin: program |
| 01:21.32 | guestish | abrotman: miss there? |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | guestish: you go looking for data .. you miss at all L1,L2,RAM .. you get slower repsonses on your data |
| 01:21.58 | swim_love | Guerin, so I need to reset md5sum and then repeat the process |
| 01:22.04 | Guerin | swim_love: correct. |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | guestish: it's a fine line to play .. not so much anymore |
| 01:22.07 | calvin | abrotman: nevermind. so, i ran it. now what? it just told me what i already know about the card, unless im missing something? |
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| 01:22.21 | guestish | abrotman: how can you miss memory? |
| 01:22.24 | abrotman | guestish: but .. if you search and miss all three .. it slows it down |
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| 01:22.31 | abrotman | guestish: it would be on HDD |
| 01:22.40 | abrotman | calvin: you dont' run it :) |
| 01:22.43 | abrotman | calvin: it runs on boot |
| 01:22.45 | guestish | abrotman: so the data is on the hdd instead of the cache? |
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| 01:23.03 | abrotman | guestish: it can be . L2 is an intermediary between L1 and RAM |
| 01:23.04 | huttan | abrotman, well well..time to try this installer |
| 01:23.04 | huttan | brb |
| 01:23.06 | calvin | abrotman: ok. do i need to configure that then or something? also, why did this break on the kernel upgrade? |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | huttan: ok |
| 01:23.14 | guestish | abrotman: i really dont know what you mean by "missing memory" |
| 01:23.18 | abrotman | calvin: dunno .. i have i810 also |
| 01:23.23 | calvin | abrotman: im sorry. |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | guestish: your instructino needs data .. it has to search registers,L1,L2,RAM |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | if it misses on all of those .. it goes to HDD |
| 01:23.51 | Guerin | guestish: when the data the cpu needs is on disk, not in ram or cache |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | RAM compared to L2 is even slow |
| 01:24.00 | guestish | Guerin: ohhh, ok |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | Guerin: thanks :) |
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| 01:24.07 | guestish | L2 is SRAM right? |
| 01:24.11 | initech | abrotman: i810 ... ewww |
| 01:24.18 | abrotman | initech: i'm not a gamer . works fine |
| 01:24.22 | calvin | abrotman: so what i gotta do? |
| 01:24.30 | abrotman | calvin: looking |
| 01:24.31 | calvin | abrotman: thats the sad part, i am :-( |
| 01:24.40 | calvin | a gamer, that is |
| 01:24.43 | swim_love | Guerin, any links to modify md5sum |
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| 01:24.46 | initech | abrotman: me neither, still, eww :) |
| 01:24.52 | abrotman | initech: runs great |
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| 01:25.06 | abrotman | calvin: X doesn't run at all? |
| 01:25.13 | abrotman | initech: i can't complain |
| 01:25.15 | Miodrag | whats the optimum cluster size on linux partitions? |
| 01:25.17 | Guerin | swim_love: read the comments in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:25.25 | Guerin | Miodrag: n |
| 01:25.31 | swim_love | oh, okay |
| 01:25.37 | abrotman | calvin: ? |
| 01:25.39 | initech | abrotman: well, it's what i use at work, and it does work fine i guess |
| 01:25.45 | Miodrag | gue: n? |
| 01:25.47 | Guerin | where n=speed/cost |
| 01:25.56 | abrotman | guestish: do we understand L2? |
| 01:26.17 | abrotman | guestish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_cache |
| 01:26.17 | initech | abrotman: the fb driver is so slow it's unuseable tho |
| 01:26.18 | abrotman | !L2 |
| 01:26.19 | guestish | abrotman: ya, data is stored temporarily on the L2 cache, like in ram or on the HDD |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | guestish: hopefully your HDD isn't temporary :) |
| 01:26.34 | Miodrag | gue: whats the higest value |
| 01:26.40 | Guerin | Miodrag: depends |
| 01:26.46 | abrotman | initech: well .. i don't use that |
| 01:26.48 | guestish | abrotman: er, yeah, meant to say like in ram or the l1 cache =D |
| 01:27.00 | calvin | abrotman: sorry, no, not at all. |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | guestish: but now .. AMD has L2 on chip |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | so does intel i'm sure |
| 01:27.14 | guestish | abrotman: thats good right? |
| 01:27.16 | Miodrag | gue: is it like on ntfs 64k or like on fat 32k???? |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | calvin: did you reboot again .. and see what happens? |
| 01:27.21 | abrotman | guestish: makes it faster |
| 01:27.33 | Guerin | Miodrag: my point is that the "optimum" number depends on what you're doing |
| 01:27.35 | guestish | abrotman: cool |
| 01:27.53 | calvin | abrotman: yes |
| 01:27.59 | Miodrag | gue: i dont care for space only for speed |
| 01:28.01 | Guerin | Miodrag: heh, I thought you were talking about clusters as in beowulf |
| 01:28.02 | abrotman | calvin: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:28.25 | Guerin | Miodrag: what filesystem? |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | calvin: see if that helps at all |
| 01:28.33 | Miodrag | gue: whats beowulf |
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| 01:28.42 | calvin | abrotman: was already typing it :-) |
| 01:28.49 | Guerin | Miodrag: multiple computers working on the same task |
| 01:29.00 | Miodrag | gue: i dont know [ext3 - i think] |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | calvin: good |
| 01:29.29 | abrotman | calvin: all this for usb? |
| 01:29.37 | Guerin | Miodrag: if you care so much about speed, don't use ext3. on the other hand, if you don't know what filesystem you're using, don't use anything else. |
| 01:29.47 | Guerin | Miodrag: does your keyboard have a tab key? |
| 01:29.52 | guestish | abrotman: good stuff :) |
| 01:30.02 | Miodrag | gue: ofcourse |
| 01:30.10 | guestish | abrotman: so a larger L2 cache isnt nessicarily better |
| 01:30.10 | Guerin | Miodrag: use it. |
| 01:30.14 | calvin | abrotman: the printer is usb. |
| 01:30.17 | thoreauputic | Miodrag: use it! |
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| 01:30.28 | jonoa | hi there.. i've got postfix + mysql (sort of) talking.. when inbound mail arrives, postfix complains that it can't connect to mysql through local socket (log: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)) is there anything i should be looking for? I've tried getting postfix to use 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost, but no joy |
| 01:30.29 | calvin | abrotman: reconfiged, no change. |
| 01:30.31 | Miodrag | thoe: for what |
| 01:30.37 | abrotman | guestish: exactly |
| 01:30.37 | Guerin | jonoa: #postfix |
| 01:30.42 | jonoa | ta |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | calvin: you rebooted already? |
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| 01:30.57 | guestish | abrotman: so why would you want a bigger L2 cache? |
| 01:30.59 | Guerin | Miodrag: guer<tab> should get you Guerin |
| 01:30.59 | calvin | abrotman: since reconfiguring X? |
| 01:31.02 | thoreauputic | Miodrag: nick completion, so we know who the hell you are talking to! |
| 01:31.03 | johnsu01 | I'm able to mount and access cdroms, but when I try to play a cd with cdcd, no sound (though it does fetch the track list). |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | guestish: beucase it's faster |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | calvin: yes |
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| 01:31.10 | abrotman | guestish: it's faster than RAM |
| 01:31.11 | Guerin | Miodrag: if it doesn't get thee to a proper irc client |
| 01:31.14 | guestish | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 01:31.16 | johnsu01 | Could be a device permission problem I guess? But I'm not sure which device. |
| 01:31.17 | abrotman | guestish: if you hit most of the time |
| 01:31.20 | guestish | abrotman: heh |
| 01:31.22 | abrotman | guestish: if you miss .. it sucks |
| 01:31.27 | guestish | abrotman: so that would mean you are using the same data all the time? |
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| 01:31.32 | calvin | guestish: bigger L2 cache means faster processor, comparing with all other factors the same or very nearly the same. |
| 01:31.42 | guestish | calvin: cool |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | guestish: so .. if you have like a 16MB L2 ... not so good .. espeically if you miss |
| 01:31.43 | Miodrag | gue: i am on windows machine right now and mirc doesnt support nick completor... |
| 01:31.47 | guestish | abrotman: heh |
| 01:31.54 | guestish | abrotman: i dont think anything has that |
| 01:31.54 | calvin | abrotman: i will, but i was under the impression i didnt have to. didnt change anything i knew of that id have to reboot for. |
| 01:31.55 | Guerin | Miodrag: like I said... |
| 01:31.57 | calvin | here i go |
| 01:31.58 | abrotman | guestish: if you hit 99% of the time .. L2 is great |
| 01:32.05 | abrotman | guestish: i think itanium has a 4MB |
| 01:32.08 | guestish | abrotman: what determines if you hit or miss? |
| 01:32.14 | abrotman | guestish: if your data is there :) |
| 01:32.20 | guestish | abrotman: heh |
| 01:32.23 | Guerin | Miodrag: don't bother changing the clustersize for speed, is the answer. |
| 01:32.32 | abrotman | calvin: did you restart your DM? |
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| 01:33.15 | Guerin | !.yu |
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| 01:33.22 | abrotman | !yu |
| 01:33.22 | dpkg | yu are gay ? |
| 01:33.26 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | !forget yu |
| 01:33.31 | Guerin | !forget yu |
| 01:33.31 | dpkg | i forgot yu, abrotman |
| 01:33.35 | abrotman | dpkg: thanks |
| 01:33.36 | dpkg | sure thing, abrotman |
| 01:33.36 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:33.37 | monkeydad | how do I set command line 'mail' pop and smtp servers, w/o using sendmail or postfix? |
| 01:33.38 | refa33s | anyone else having gnome hang on login (sid)? |
| 01:33.53 | _Louie_ | Guerin serbia and montenegro |
| 01:33.56 | Guerin | I wuz robbed of my rightful !forget! |
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| 01:34.09 | Guerin | _Louie_: I wondered if it might be something former yugoslav |
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| 01:34.39 | johnsu01 | Actually, looks like my cd problem is not a permissions problem, since root can't play the cd either. Same behavior. |
| 01:34.45 | Guerin | _Louie_: that's pretty weird though, given that yugoslavia no longer exists... |
| 01:34.53 | _Louie_ | dpkg: and dont be rude on my country |
| 01:34.53 | dpkg | _Louie_: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:35.01 | Guerin | hehe |
| 01:35.20 | Guerin | !yu is Serbia and Montenegro, part of the former Yugoslavia |
| 01:35.21 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 01:35.35 | abrotman | shouldn't that be .yu? |
| 01:35.49 | Guerin | !.yu is <reply> see yu |
| 01:35.49 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 01:35.52 | swim_love | Guerin, I checked the header of XF86Config-4, but I could not find anything about md5sum |
| 01:36.13 | Guerin | swim_love: it's there alright. Unless you wrote it from scratch. |
| 01:36.14 | _Louie_ | gu: no part of former yugoslavia but the former yugoslavia - we changed to scg several months ago \: |
| 01:36.42 | swim_love | Well I copied this file from knoppix, since my X worked there |
| 01:36.52 | swim_love | I know I did a dumb thing |
| 01:36.54 | nvs | _Louie_: that's three letters. Is that legal? |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | calvin? |
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| 01:37.19 | zein | the compil ok kernel source take how many time please ? |
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| 01:37.46 | _Louie_ | nvs: thats 3 letters for car sign or sport sign on web we still use .yu |
| 01:37.54 | nvs | OK |
| 01:37.58 | huttan | abrotman, nope didnt work |
| 01:38.00 | _Louie_ | np |
| 01:38.04 | xam | zein: depends on your machine and how many/what options you have selected |
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| 01:38.10 | abrotman | huttan: you can ask #debian-boot .. they may know more |
| 01:38.18 | huttan | kk |
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| 01:38.44 | _Louie_ | Guerin: so what file system do u recomend me and what cluster size? |
| 01:38.57 | zein | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=-xxx kernel_image |
| 01:38.58 | Guerin | _Louie_: I thought there are still parts of the former yugoslavia within the boundaries of other countries, still. |
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| 01:39.37 | xam | zein: on a 3GHz pentium4 it will take just a couple of minutes (with minimum options selected), on a 386sx-20MHz it can take days (when many options are selected) |
| 01:39.42 | pipeline | Guerin: Serbia has never admitted that it's not the only government of Yugoslavia. |
| 01:39.43 | _Louie_ | gue: there is "former yugoslav republic of macedonia" |
| 01:39.47 | Guerin | _Louie_: if you have to ask about filesystems, use ext3, with the default clustersize. |
| 01:39.51 | zein | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.55 | jharrison | boston 3 |
| 01:39.56 | Guerin | pipeline: right. |
| 01:39.58 | jharrison | stl 0 |
| 01:39.58 | guestish | use JFS, why? i dont know |
| 01:40.02 | abrotman | jharrison: i know :) |
| 01:40.02 | guestish | ;) |
| 01:40.07 | johnsu01 | jharrison: nice. |
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| 01:40.17 | Guerin | I used to know a lot about balkan politics, but I'm about 5 years out of date now |
| 01:40.18 | nvs | _Louie_: I thought Macedonia what part of Greece |
| 01:40.20 | jharrison | abrotman: I wasnt telling you |
| 01:40.21 | jharrison | :-P |
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| 01:40.26 | Guerin | nvs: no. |
| 01:40.27 | _Louie_ | pip: there was montenegro at the end too |
| 01:40.30 | pipeline | nvs: The greeks are really pissed off about that, incidentally. |
| 01:40.31 | xam | zein: what do you mean with 'default options' ? debian default? linus' defaults? andrews defaults? |
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| 01:40.41 | _Louie_ | nvs: well what do u know |
| 01:40.47 | calvin | abrotman: I'm gonna try a 2.4 kernel... (2.4.27) and see if that is better. |
| 01:40.49 | jharrison | my fonts suck |
| 01:40.54 | Guerin | !u |
| 01:40.54 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 01:40.58 | pipeline | nvs: There was a big hubbub when Macedonia announced its name to the world. |
| 01:40.59 | _Louie_ | pipeline: lol |
| 01:41.05 | nvs | _Louie_: I don't. I know the Greeks are really furious about them. |
| 01:41.27 | _Louie_ | pip: some of greek cities like solun were serbian not so long ago |
| 01:41.37 | Guerin | nvs: go watch Underground and Before The Rain |
| 01:41.42 | nvs | _Louie_: I'm just asking. No disrespect or anything. |
| 01:41.48 | cafuego | They're all MAD south of the alps. |
| 01:41.49 | Guerin | nvs: for a glimpse of how complicated it is... |
| 01:42.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:42.14 | _Louie_ | nvs: i respect yours curiosity |
| 01:42.20 | nvs | thx |
| 01:42.24 | xam | cafuego: interesting theory |
| 01:42.33 | cafuego | xam: It's a fact, not a theory. |
| 01:42.42 | xam | cafuego: proof? |
| 01:42.46 | cafuego | !right |
| 01:42.46 | dpkg | right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says. |
| 01:42.58 | xam | !win cafugeo |
| 01:42.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafugeo! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:43.06 | Guerin | noooo |
| 01:43.14 | cafuego | Oh good, just what I wanted! |
| 01:43.18 | Guerin | not cthulhu for president! |
| 01:43.20 | _Louie_ | Guerin: will u recomend me file system and cluster size for best speed please? |
| 01:43.28 | tylerwylie | oh yea well i have a 6 week old kitten |
| 01:43.45 | Guerin | !filesystems |
| 01:43.45 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable, medium size: jfs. If you have to ask, use ext3 |
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| 01:44.11 | nvs | tylerwylie: Are you trying to load Debian on the kitten? ;-) |
| 01:44.15 | tylerwylie | JFS is ass |
| 01:44.25 | Guerin | _Louie_: ^^ I don't know/care enough about clustersize to fuck with it, and it sounds like neither should you. |
| 01:44.37 | xam | tylerwylie: bad experience with it? |
| 01:44.44 | Wyzard | I use XFS and I'm fairly happy with it, except that filesystems can't be shrunk so it limits use of LVM |
| 01:44.44 | tylerwylie | JFS does not have enough time of being out there in the open-source community to be worth it yet |
| 01:44.47 | tylerwylie | xam, well yea |
| 01:44.49 | Guerin | tylerwylie: you're loading jfs on the kitten's ass? Is that legal? |
| 01:44.58 | jharrison | there is a lunar eclipse tonight |
| 01:45.05 | cafuego | jharrison: where? |
| 01:45.07 | _Louie_ | gue: whats the default value for cluster size on for example ext3? |
| 01:45.10 | zein | I do make menuconfig and save config |
| 01:45.10 | nvs | jharrison: It's too cloudy here to see it. |
| 01:45.17 | johnsu01 | ok, so I narrowed it down a bit further, I can play mp3s and hear other audio. So there is some problem with the cdrom playing audio cds. |
| 01:45.18 | jharrison | its about half way though |
| 01:45.20 | Guerin | Wyzard: that really pissed me of when I used it too. I had to nuke and start again. |
| 01:45.28 | Guerin | _Louie_: no idea. |
| 01:45.30 | jharrison | its another clear night here in the lovely bahamas |
| 01:45.36 | jharrison | not a cloud in the sky |
| 01:45.38 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:45.38 | cafuego | it's too sunny here to see |
| 01:45.38 | tylerwylie | xam, it's not old enough to be considered reliable yet |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | !punish jharrison for living in the bahamas |
| 01:45.43 | _Louie_ | Guerin: thx for everything |
| 01:45.46 | jharrison | cafuego: ywah thats a problem |
| 01:45.47 | cafuego | what with it being noon |
| 01:45.48 | zein | and fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=-xxx kernel_image |
| 01:45.58 | Wyzard | Guerin: I've just opted to make more volumes rather than enlarging the existing one... the need for extra space tends to be temporary |
| 01:46.11 | xam | tylerwylie: well, it is fucking bloody old, compared to ext3 |
| 01:46.12 | Wyzard | Guerin: When I buy my new computer in a few months, though, I'm planning on using reiser4 |
| 01:46.20 | Guerin | Wyzard: yeah. i didn't need extra space, I needed an extra partition :( |
| 01:46.30 | johnsu01 | Is there a problem playing audio cds when using scsi emulation for the cd drive? |
| 01:46.32 | jharrison | I hope my fonts get fixed sometime soon |
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| 01:46.58 | tylerwylie | xam, jfs? |
| 01:47.02 | Wyzard | Guerin: On the new computer I'm hoping (though it'll be expensive) to have a terabyte RAID-5, which will be one big LVM space |
| 01:47.04 | xam | tylerwylie: yes |
| 01:47.15 | Guerin | yikes |
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| 01:47.19 | Nurbs | I'm having some trouble unzipping a 2.4 GB file. both unzip and mini-unzip (from zlib-bin) complain that the file doesn't seem to exist, but I think they've got trouble opening it because it's > 2 GB or similar... are there any other unzip programs in debian? |
| 01:47.43 | Guerin | braindead_moron_: finally, someone on irc who's honest. |
| 01:47.55 | Wyzard | Nurbs: WinRAR can extract zip files... maybe Linux RAR can too |
| 01:48.00 | ralf-x | hmmm |
| 01:48.03 | abrotman | Wyzard: of reiser? |
| 01:48.07 | Nurbs | Wyzard: hm, no, it can't :) |
| 01:48.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: yeah |
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| 01:48.15 | abrotman | no way .. i prefer xfs :) |
| 01:48.18 | ralf-x | anyone know a good way to make snmpd log what oid's are being queried? |
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| 01:48.24 | tylerwylie | JFS is IBM's high-performance journaling filesystem. It has recently become production-ready and there hasn't been a sufficient track record to comment positively nor negatively on its general stability at this point. |
| 01:48.30 | abrotman | calvin: any better? |
| 01:48.34 | calvin | OK... so i installed a 2.4 kernel, and there is still no usblp module... |
| 01:48.43 | braindead_moron_ | Guerin: I lost a bet in #java a long time ago... And my nick is forever this ;-) |
| 01:48.44 | Wyzard | abrotman: I do too, but half the point of LVM is being able to resize volumes, and XFS filesystems can't be shrunk |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | !find usblp sarge |
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| 01:48.51 | Guerin | braindead_moron_: haha |
| 01:49.08 | jharrison | !fix fonts |
| 01:49.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: i suppose .. but i don't trust that Hans guy :) |
| 01:49.17 | Guerin | usblp does indeed exist in 2.6 kernels, at least |
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| 01:49.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usblp' (4 shown; 15 total): (/lib/modules/2.6.7-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.7-1-686/kernel/drivers/usb/class/usblp.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686. |
| 01:49.24 | abrotman | dpkg: hello? |
| 01:49.24 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | there we go |
| 01:49.27 | ralf-x | don't trust the mad germans |
| 01:49.31 | initech | Wyzard: well if you used reiser3 in the days when it came out, i doubt you would be willing to bet the bank on reiser4, until it stabilizes |
| 01:49.37 | abrotman | calvin: so X works in 2.4 .. but no usblp? |
| 01:49.42 | Guerin | right, so it must be called something else in 2.4. Grep your kernel. |
| 01:49.44 | calvin | abrotman: correct. |
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| 01:49.53 | xam | tylerwylie: this 'help' comment from the linux kernel is 1) outdated ... and 2) it is about the status of the linux port of jfs when it was included |
| 01:49.59 | johnsu01 | And I don't think it's the connection between the cdrom and the soundcard, because I'm trying it with headphones plugged into the jack on the front of the drive. |
| 01:50.01 | Wyzard | initech: I won't be buying this system until at least early 2005 anyway |
| 01:50.26 | tylerwylie | xam, yea, well i have a 6 week old kitten so :P |
| 01:50.39 | initech | Wyzard: i would at least limit it to a single filesystem that was mirrored to something more reliable |
| 01:50.44 | calvin | shit, i didnt realize how late it was getting.. |
| 01:50.48 | xam | tylerwylie: jfs has a long history as enterprise-class filesystem, and some use it in large companies ... under linux |
| 01:50.52 | abrotman | calvin: does it have a different name in 2.4 maybe? |
| 01:51.16 | Wyzard | initech: Well, I'll hopefully be doing backups on at least a moderate schedule |
| 01:51.23 | calvin | abrotman: nothing that i see |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | calvin: so you're stuck? |
| 01:51.37 | calvin | im gonna have to call it quits for now... i have to get home. |
| 01:51.43 | calvin | abrotman: for now, yes. |
| 01:51.43 | abrotman | calvin: leave X working |
| 01:51.47 | xam | tylerwylie: xfs is practically the same. Do you trust XFS more than JFS? If so, why? XFS was/is way more intrusive to the kernel |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | calvin: work on 2.6 tomorrow |
| 01:52.01 | calvin | abrotman: i work from 8 AM to 10 PM tomorrow. |
| 01:52.06 | abrotman | calvin: ouch |
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| 01:52.13 | abrotman | those church people are slave drivers |
| 01:52.22 | calvin | abrotman: well, i do have that 30 minutes between jobs free... |
| 01:52.23 | johnsu01 | There are no kernel error messages or syslog messages when I try to play the CD. No errors, just no sound. |
| 01:52.25 | tylerwylie | xam, i'm a reiserdude |
| 01:52.27 | calvin | abrotman: no, not church, real job. |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | calvin: heh :) |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | JohnnyST: work in another OS? |
| 01:52.51 | calvin | see ya. |
| 01:52.54 | Guerin | tylerwylie: s/reiser/ricer/ |
| 01:52.55 | calvin | thanks, abrotman. |
| 01:53.00 | abrotman | calvin: sorry it didn't work |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | calvin: better luck tomorrow |
| 01:53.09 | abrotman | err .. when you get to it :) |
| 01:53.31 | xam | tylerwylie: I'm not ;) but I'm not a jfs/xfs dude either ... still using ext3 (no need for anything else yet) |
| 01:53.32 | johnsu01 | abrotman: Did you mean me? I don't have another OS to test. But yes, it did work at one time. I have not tried it in a while. |
| 01:53.34 | tylerwylie | Guerin, no, in fact i'm a ricersmasher |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | johnsu01: i do :) |
| 01:53.51 | Wyzard | xam: ext3 doesn't scale well... tree-based filesystems are much nicer |
| 01:53.52 | tylerwylie | Guerin, my goal in life is to beat every civic i've seen, and so far it's working |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | johnsu01: no error message? .. it doesn't work as root? |
| 01:53.58 | johnsu01 | abrotman: No and no. |
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| 01:54.08 | abrotman | johnsu01: and the little cable is there? |
| 01:54.10 | xam | tylerwylie: having said that, I have installed xfs and jfs for some companies |
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| 01:54.20 | johnsu01 | abrotman: I'm plugged into the headphone jack in the drive itself. |
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| 01:54.29 | tylerwylie | xam, i've given jfs a try, and jfs doesn't like me, so i don't like it for not liking me |
| 01:54.31 | abrotman | johnsu01: well .. that sounds fishy |
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| 01:54.38 | abrotman | johnsu01: you tried more than one CD? |
| 01:54.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: i can't see it!!! |
| 01:54.50 | johnsu01 | abrotman: Sure does :) Recently, I switched it to scsi emulation to burn cds.. |
| 01:54.58 | johnsu01 | abrotman: Yeah, tried a couple cds. |
| 01:55.10 | abrotman | johnsu01: but the CD should work no matter what afaik |
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| 01:55.28 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's in the east, fairly high up... it's partly cloudy around here though so you might need to wait for a gap |
| 01:55.45 | tylerwylie | xam, it stole my lunch money, deleted all my porno and then kicked me in the balls |
| 01:55.48 | johnsu01 | abrotman: Yeah. The drive is ok, because I can mount data cds.. |
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| 01:55.54 | tylerwylie | xam, so i said bitch mkreiserfs |
| 01:56.00 | xam | hmm: more /proc/loadavg: 5.02 5.13 4.90 9/89 5345 ... starting a kernel compile now, want to see how high I can bring the load ;) |
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| 01:56.15 | johnsu01 | abrotman: The volume is up.. ;) |
| 01:56.17 | Guerin | tylerwylie: you shoudl use XFS then |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: clouds |
| 01:56.29 | tylerwylie | Guerin, yea i don't have a UPS though |
| 01:56.41 | initech | xam: jfs did something similar to me, an ungraceful reboot caused complete data loss |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | johnsu01: i'm stumped |
| 01:56.46 | tylerwylie | Guerin, that's why JFS didn't like me i think |
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| 01:56.57 | abrotman | johnsu01: that's a direct connect to the cd basically |
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| 01:57.08 | xam | initech: well, I can tell you horror stories about the early days of reiserfs |
| 01:57.13 | tylerwylie | Guerin, my power shut off from random power surge and my install was borked , jfsck didn't work or anything like that |
| 01:57.17 | initech | xam: oh sure, me too |
| 01:57.31 | johnsu01 | abrotman: here's another twist. I just realized I can play it by hitting the play button on the drive. But not via cdcd or cdplay. |
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| 01:57.49 | abrotman | johnsu01: now you're freaking me out |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | johnsu01: gremlins? |
| 01:58.03 | johnsu01 | abrotman: Let me check my blender.. |
| 01:58.10 | johnsu01 | abrotman: Or microwave rather. |
| 01:58.13 | abrotman | or both |
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| 01:58.48 | johnsu01 | abrotman: ack, but "stop" in cdcd _stops_ it from playing..! |
| 01:59.01 | johnsu01 | abrotman: However, play in cdcd does not start it. |
| 01:59.15 | Guerin | tylerwylie: and ricerfs will be any kinder to you? |
| 01:59.50 | xam | johnsu01: sorry, I didn't get what kernel you are using (just that you are using scsi-emu) ... and what kind of cdrom drive do you have? |
| 02:00.07 | initech | ricerfs? is that a raid0 array of 1000 1MB ramdisks? |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | johnsu01: i think you broke cdcd |
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| 02:00.23 | johnsu01 | xam: 2.4.22, cdrom is atapi ? |
| 02:00.30 | tylerwylie | Guerin, it has been so far, although i do hate ricers |
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| 02:00.57 | Guerin | initech: say it aloud and think off the name of a certain german fs designer with enough chutzpah to name his fs after himself... |
| 02:00.58 | yenny | Hi!!!!! |
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| 02:01.43 | deadcat | abrotman: what happen? just got back. |
| 02:01.44 | yenny | who speack spanish???? |
| 02:01.44 | initech | Guerin: oh, reiser3 is just fine these days |
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| 02:01.52 | abrotman | deadcat: 3-0 |
| 02:01.55 | abrotman | sox winning |
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| 02:02.00 | deadcat | abrotman: who scored those 2? |
| 02:02.05 | abrotman | deadcat: cards suck .. bad |
| 02:02.05 | chealer | !spanish |
| 02:02.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 02:02.09 | deadcat | nevermind; |
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| 02:02.15 | abrotman | deadcat: nixon hit a double .. scored 2 |
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| 02:02.19 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:02.26 | yenny | thank you dpkg |
| 02:02.27 | deadcat | lunar eclipse |
| 02:03.20 | AaronMCouture | could someone tell me how i add users to courier's /etc/userdb and if there is an special things i have to edit in the main.cnf file for it to read the db |
| 02:03.45 | xam | deadcat: not here |
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| 02:04.05 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: #courier |
| 02:04.08 | johnsu01 | abrotman: Ever have any trouble setting the volume in cdcd? It shows front volume as 200/200, but back volume at 0/0, and I can't get the 0/0 to change. |
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| 02:04.20 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: hey, i read some mans online |
| 02:04.24 | abrotman | johnsu01: that's your driver afaik |
| 02:04.33 | yenny | bye........ |
| 02:04.38 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: and? |
| 02:04.44 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: am i in the right direction with the db? and thats why it wont let users login |
| 02:04.53 | yenny | Debian is the best!!!!! |
| 02:04.59 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: my courier uses /etc/passwd |
| 02:05.13 | cafuego | my couruer uses mysql and sasl |
| 02:05.21 | xenwryly | I have a bunch of .fmt .efmt and .oft files in my /var/lib/texmf/web2c directory that I want to get rid of to save space. but none of them show up searching apt-file or packages.debian.org. Does anyone know which package put them there? |
| 02:05.37 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: for some reason courier does authenticate users.. just times out. |
| 02:05.40 | Tetricus | Thought I'd make a public service announcement, there is a total lunar eclipse tonight from the United State, times for your area can be found here: http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/LunarEclipse.html |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: #courier |
| 02:05.48 | Wyzard | xenwryly: dpkg -S filename |
| 02:05.49 | AaronMCouture | ok |
| 02:06.00 | abrotman | Tetricus: and the red sox are going to win the series .. which is more important? |
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| 02:06.11 | Tetricus | abrotman, what's the count? |
| 02:06.11 | tylerwylie | sweet http://boortz.com/more/optical_illusion.html |
| 02:06.20 | cafuego | !sport |
| 02:06.20 | abrotman | Tetricus: 3-0 sox ahead |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | bottom of 5th |
| 02:06.36 | cafuego | !sport is <reply> NO SPORT! |
| 02:06.36 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 02:06.39 | xenwryly | Wyzard: not found |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | oh sure .. but soccer is ok |
| 02:06.50 | xenwryly | Wyzard: I think these files were created through the installation |
| 02:06.55 | Wyzard | xenwryly: Then they're not part of any installed package |
| 02:07.07 | Wyzard | xenwryly: dunno then |
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| 02:07.15 | deadcat | my s230 has problem taking pic of the lunar eclipse. )= |
| 02:07.16 | xenwryly | Wyzard: right, but they got there via a package being installed |
| 02:07.27 | xenwryly | Wyzard: either way I need to get rid of them |
| 02:07.37 | yenny | deadcat is possible el apt-get install pequelin???? |
| 02:07.40 | Tetricus | abrotman I haven't been keeping up, how many games so far? |
| 02:07.46 | abrotman | Tetricus: this is game 4 |
| 02:07.56 | deadcat | yenny: i want to see the REAL thing outside. (= |
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| 02:08.02 | Tetricus | whats the count on wins so far? |
| 02:08.10 | abrotman | 3-0 .. sox |
| 02:08.12 | deadcat | Tetricus: espn.com |
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| 02:08.21 | abrotman | boston.com/sports/redsox :) |
| 02:08.34 | Tetricus | deadcat, why the fuck would I go to a website when I've got so many die hard baseball fans like abrotman here to inform me? |
| 02:08.39 | yenny | bye |
| 02:08.44 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:08.47 | deadcat | Tetricus: cus its annoying |
| 02:08.52 | AaronMCouture | hey abrotman: i got a debian question for you |
| 02:08.55 | Tetricus | deadcat, deal with it. |
| 02:09.27 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: ok |
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| 02:09.35 | abrotman | why just me? |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | yay baseball! |
| 02:10.01 | AaronMCouture | abrotman: when my server boots up it gives me the error - > spurious 8259A inturupt: IRQ 7.. any ideas why? |
| 02:10.13 | deadcat | AaronMCouture: just ignore it |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | !spurious 8259A |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | !listkeys 8259 |
| 02:10.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of '8259' by key (1 shown): spurious 8259a interrupt. |
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| 02:10.32 | abrotman | !spurious 8259A interrupt |
| 02:10.32 | dpkg | methinks spurious 8259a interrupt is told of over on Intel's site |
| 02:10.44 | abrotman | AaronMCouture: so go ask intel.com i suppose |
| 02:11.12 | AaronMCouture | ahh i see it on google.. must be common |
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| 02:12.15 | abrotman | !quiet |
| 02:12.19 | guestish_ | test |
| 02:12.19 | deadcat | is the movie "alexander" gonna be like "troy" ? (= |
| 02:12.24 | abrotman | guestish: you're dead |
| 02:12.34 | guestish | abrotman: awww |
| 02:12.35 | abrotman | deadcat: you mean naked people? |
| 02:12.38 | Guerin | deadcat: n o |
| 02:12.38 | guestish | abrotman: i liked living |
| 02:12.42 | deadcat | abrotman: no i mean SUCK |
| 02:12.43 | abrotman | guestish: you came and went |
| 02:12.46 | guestish | abrotman: yup |
| 02:12.47 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:12.51 | guestish | abrotman: different comp |
| 02:12.51 | abrotman | deadcat: jolie in it? |
| 02:12.55 | deadcat | abrotman: ya |
| 02:12.55 | Mo666 | i'm looking for some iptables firewall script which has been updated after july this year and will continue to be maintained. so far i tried arno's iptables fw script, momotha's, baruch's and firehol. none of them really made me happy. any other recommendations? |
| 02:12.56 | Guerin | deadcat: because Oliver Stone is directing, and Oliver Stone is The Fucking Man |
| 02:13.16 | deadcat | Guerin: oh. so not the same director as troy then? |
| 02:13.18 | justin | Mo666: apt-cache search iptables |
| 02:13.35 | Guerin | deadcat: HELL no |
| 02:13.38 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:13.47 | abrotman | naked people! |
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| 02:13.52 | mwilson | When did firehol become a firewall script rather than a tool for YOU to create one? |
| 02:13.59 | deadcat | Guerin: hope no british accent in alexander hehe |
| 02:14.04 | mwilson | And what's so special about July? |
| 02:14.06 | Mo666 | mwilson, okok |
| 02:14.12 | initech | Guerin: dunno, stone has made some bombs |
| 02:14.18 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:14.21 | Mo666 | you got me, i cheated |
| 02:14.36 | Guerin | there's another allexander the great movie due out in '06 sometime starring leo di caprio and directed by baz "moulin rouge" "strictly ballroom" luhrmann |
| 02:14.42 | Mo666 | the special thing about july is that it's some time ago |
| 02:14.59 | Guerin | initech: he's also made a lot of shit-hot stuff. U-Turn, NBK, the vietnam trilogy... |
| 02:15.07 | mwilson | Mo666: So? |
| 02:15.08 | Mo666 | and all the scripts i know of were last updated then or before |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | Guerin: shit-hot? |
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| 02:15.20 | Guerin | abrotman: shit-hot = damn good |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | how hot is shit? |
| 02:15.32 | Guerin | depends |
| 02:15.40 | mwilson | Mo666: Again, firehol isn't a script, it's a creation tool. |
| 02:15.56 | Guerin | deadcat: colin farrel ain't british |
| 02:16.02 | deadcat | Guerin: ah. |
| 02:16.02 | Mo666 | >>Mo666 you got me, i cheated |
| 02:16.10 | radius | anyone upgrade sarge 3.1 kde to 3.3.1 ? and where can i get the dep for the source.list for apt ... thanks |
| 02:16.18 | xam | abrotman: actually shit is warm (when it is fresh) ... so it should be called 'shit-warm' ... well, unless you heat it in the microwave that is |
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| 02:16.30 | mwilson | Mo666: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 02:16.36 | Guerin | radius: apt-get.org |
| 02:16.43 | radius | thanks Guerin |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | xam: i'm scared |
| 02:16.51 | radius | thought someone had a dep line i could use |
| 02:16.55 | Mo666 | mwilson, i mean it was nicorrect to list it in the listing i made |
| 02:16.58 | abrotman | Radiance: #debian-kde |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | radius: #debian-kde |
| 02:17.07 | radius | thanks |
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| 02:17.20 | WiFiTux | mirc sucks... It´s been a while since I didn´t use this thing in windosh |
| 02:17.34 | xam | abrotman: I also have a story about 'piss-easy', but I doubt you are interested in it ... |
| 02:17.49 | Guerin | haha |
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| 02:17.59 | guestish | mirc sucks |
| 02:18.01 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: the solution is to delete your windows partition. |
| 02:18.19 | abrotman | xam: that is never easy .. especially after like 10 beers :) |
| 02:18.20 | mwilson | Mo666: 99.9% of lusers need only something in iptables that says "let nothing in, let everything I do out"... what's there left to make you "happy" about that? |
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| 02:18.48 | WiFiTux | MobyTurbo I already did that, this is my father in law pc. |
| 02:18.54 | guestish | well, boston's curse is over |
| 02:18.56 | Mo666 | mwilson, i'm running servers, i need configurabilty |
| 02:19.05 | Guerin | WiFiTux: ftlog, use a decent irc client. Chatzilla. |
| 02:19.14 | Guerin | WiFiTux: or shell into a debian box. |
| 02:19.19 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ha! |
| 02:19.33 | WiFiTux | Guerin, that would take too much crap. |
| 02:19.33 | mwilson | Mo666: You run "servers", but you can't learn how iptables works yourself? |
| 02:19.41 | tylerwylie | When will the world learn that a million men are of no importance compared with one man? [Henry David Thoreau] |
| 02:19.48 | tylerwylie | damnit wrong channel |
| 02:19.49 | abrotman | Mo666: #iptables |
| 02:20.05 | guestish | mwilson: still havent migrated? :) |
| 02:20.09 | Mo666 | mwilson, i'm cutting this here |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | tylerwylie: you trying to get a date with that crap? :) |
| 02:20.28 | xam | abrotman hehe |
| 02:20.29 | tylerwylie | abrotman, no trying to enrage liberals |
| 02:20.43 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: maybe he has one of those paper certs that make him think he's a sysadmin. |
| 02:20.50 | mwilson | guestish: Not yet... discs haven't shown up, and I've not worked out all the details yet. |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | tylerwylie: how would that do it? |
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| 02:21.00 | tylerwylie | abrotman, read it again |
| 02:21.10 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: That's why I put servers in quotes. :) |
| 02:21.12 | Guerin | tylerwylie: keep it up, you've got less than a week left... |
| 02:21.16 | WiFiTux | This stupid irc client doesn´t tell you if someone typed your nick. Should give another colo. |
| 02:21.17 | WiFiTux | r |
| 02:21.19 | deadcat | damn. the lunar eclipse outside is nice. 98% covered so far. |
| 02:21.20 | abrotman | tylerwylie: and? |
| 02:21.26 | guestish | mwilson: ah |
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| 02:21.42 | Wyzard | deadcat: I'm surprised I can still see it... it's fairly cloudy here, just intermittent gaps |
| 02:21.45 | tylerwylie | abrotman, that's against the current liberal philosophy of destruction of the individual and placing everyone in different 'categories' |
| 02:22.06 | Guerin | mmmm, what'ss that I smell? |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | tylerwylie: and? |
| 02:22.26 | deadcat | Wyzard: where at? |
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| 02:22.45 | abrotman | tylerwylie: apparently either i'm dumb .. or i don't care .. or i'm not liberal enough :) |
| 02:22.58 | MobyTurbo | tylerwylie: Ayn Rand, or whoever you're getting this from, is not quite on-topic here. |
| 02:23.01 | chealer | sorry if that's newbie, but... let's say I want to get firefox 0.10, while I'm on sarge (which sticks on 0.9), how complicated is that? do I just get the .deb from PDO unstable and try to install it or what? |
| 02:23.13 | tylerwylie | MobyTurbo, it was a mis-channel sorry, and it's Thoreau |
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| 02:23.28 | abrotman | xam: you're all liberals there |
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| 02:23.33 | xam | abrotman: haha |
| 02:23.35 | abrotman | xam: try understanding conservatives |
| 02:23.46 | tylerwylie | abrotman, me, personally, i'm a libertarian |
| 02:23.58 | xam | abrotman: well, we'll call them ultra-right wing |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | tylerwylie: you're the biggest freaks of all :) |
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| 02:24.29 | ninkendo | is sarge really frozen? Are there any links to confirm that? |
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| 02:24.34 | chealer | libertarian...does that only exist in the US? |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | tylerwylie: my boss hangs with libertarians .. they got some messed up ideas |
| 02:24.42 | deadcat | ninkendo: debian.org |
| 02:24.47 | abrotman | chealer: lp.org |
| 02:24.50 | MobyTurbo | tylerwylie: libertarianism is anarchism for the rich. |
| 02:25.01 | tylerwylie | MobyTurbo, nope |
| 02:25.09 | Moebius | check out that lunar eclipse! |
| 02:25.09 | xam | abrotman: US liberals are something like EU conservaties, or 'normal' right wing |
| 02:25.11 | grivell | abrotman, it means he's off his rocker right wing ;-P |
| 02:25.13 | deadcat | Moebius: yeep |
| 02:25.18 | ninkendo | deadcat: doesn't have that anywhere on the site |
| 02:25.23 | ninkendo | I checked the news page too |
| 02:25.26 | MobyTurbo | ninkendo: the base system, and I think standard too, of sarge is frozen. |
| 02:25.29 | deadcat | ninkendo: check harder |
| 02:25.40 | abrotman | xam: so i've heard .. i heard our liberals are center of the road in europe |
| 02:25.41 | tylerwylie | abrotman, libertarians believe that the individual is the important thing in america |
| 02:25.41 | deadcat | Moebius: 100% now? |
| 02:25.46 | xam | Moebius: there is no lunar eclipse here ... just one big cloud(y sky) ... |
| 02:25.48 | chealer | MobyTurbo: ok, that approches what I thought |
| 02:25.54 | abrotman | tylerwylie: i know .. it's some whacked ideas |
| 02:26.06 | tylerwylie | abrotman, how? |
| 02:26.06 | xam | abrotman: about that, yes |
| 02:26.19 | grivell | tylerwylie, And which individual do you think is more important? The one who owns the land, or the one who rents it? |
| 02:26.20 | Guerin | !politics |
| 02:26.20 | dpkg | well, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 02:26.22 | Moebius | deadcat, its like 90% or something |
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| 02:26.34 | abrotman | tylerwylie: you just said why .. the individual comes first . like all of the libertarians failed kindergarten "Sharing" Class |
| 02:26.36 | guestish | #Politics is a crazzzy room |
| 02:26.38 | tylerwylie | grivell, they are both equally important,without one there is no other |
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| 02:26.59 | ninkendo | deadcat: it's not on the front page, the news page, or debian-announce |
| 02:27.01 | Guerin | there's a million irc channels for inane circular discussion, go use one of them |
| 02:27.08 | ninkendo | so please, point me to it if you'd be so kind |
| 02:27.08 | peterS | Guerin: heh, point |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | Guerin: i know one :) |
| 02:27.11 | tylerwylie | abrotman, no, libertarians aren't greedy anarchist like everyone thinks them to be, we are more generous than the liberals, we just think it isn't the government |
| 02:27.15 | tylerwylie | s duty to make us share |
| 02:27.19 | guestish | Guerin: ya, and we are in one :) |
| 02:27.30 | abrotman | tylerwylie: that makes no sense |
| 02:27.31 | Guerin | s/one of them/one of the other ones/ |
| 02:27.45 | peterS | abrotman: sure it makes sense |
| 02:27.46 | guestish | ;) |
| 02:27.49 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 02:27.57 | grivell | abrotman, please don't encourage him. He believes the lie. |
| 02:28.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:28.02 | tylerwylie | abrotman, the government is too big and the services it provides are just not working, they think they are entitled to people's money |
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| 02:28.10 | MobyTurbo | #politics at times is a busy channel, and this tripe is not off-topic there. |
| 02:28.12 | tylerwylie | grivell, sorry you cannot comprehend individuality, |
| 02:28.17 | abrotman | tylerwylie: good .. you'll be paving my road next week |
| 02:28.20 | Guerin | tylerwylie: stop. |
| 02:28.21 | intrin | whats cmd to manually set ip in debian? |
| 02:28.31 | sorsis | ifconfig |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | !tell intrin about interfaces |
| 02:28.42 | peterS | intrin: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 02:28.42 | intrin | isnt that just to display? |
| 02:28.44 | grivell | tylerwylie, Who takes care of the elderly (my mother works for senior services btw :) |
| 02:28.45 | peterS | intrin: and so forth |
| 02:28.50 | intrin | ah ok |
| 02:28.51 | intrin | thanks |
| 02:28.59 | WiFiTux | intrin ifconfig eth0 192.... netmask 25.. |
| 02:29.10 | tylerwylie | grivell, they take care of themselves because we teach them how to invest before they grow old |
| 02:29.14 | abrotman | and btw .. that's anarchism |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | anyways |
| 02:29.26 | WiFiTux | peterS I should help them that much? |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:29.27 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 02:29.32 | deadcat | Moebius: its reddish right now.. very cool. |
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| 02:29.42 | abrotman | i can't see it! |
| 02:29.43 | jsoft | is a socket a 'device' as far as the mount option 'nodev' is concerned |
| 02:29.44 | grivell | tylerwylie, And if they invest in Enron ? ;) |
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| 02:29.47 | peterS | WiFiTux: no, I just look at people when they say the same thing I say |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | but it's red? like the sox? |
| 02:29.56 | deadcat | no |
| 02:30.03 | Tchiak | Hello I mounted my drive at /dev/hdb1 to /localdrives/hdb1 |
| 02:30.06 | tylerwylie | grivell, of course there are some things the government must take care of, making businesses play nice, encourage donating to charities etc |
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| 02:30.10 | Wyzard | deadcat: The reason the moon looks red is because it's being illuminated by the Earth's corona... which is red for the same reason sunsets are. :-) |
| 02:30.25 | WiFiTux | peterS ohh, I can´t see in this stupid irc chat!!! |
| 02:30.27 | jsoft | talking about the moon? |
| 02:30.31 | deadcat | Wyzard: ya. i am taking astronomy this sem. hehe |
| 02:30.48 | Tchiak | but now when i try to access /localdrives/hdb1 as a non-root user it gives me: bash: cd: hdb1: Permission denied. How can i make this so non-root users will have access to the /localdrives/hdb1 folder? |
| 02:30.52 | jsoft | The bible talks about the moon being blood red.. but thats after the 7 year tribulation i think. Mind you, I dont think thats far off. |
| 02:31.30 | deadcat | the bible is over-rated. |
| 02:31.31 | chealer | Tchiak: you know nothing about chmod? |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | that's the dumbest thing i've heard |
| 02:31.54 | Tchiak | i tried chmod a+rw and chmod 666 on the folder but it still says Permission denied |
| 02:31.55 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:32.08 | xam | deadcat: have to read the revised version? |
| 02:32.09 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: dunno if I'd call it the dumbest, but it's definetly ranking... |
| 02:32.10 | jsoft | deadcat: over-rated? :) |
| 02:32.14 | xam | s/to/you/ |
| 02:32.18 | deadcat | Tchiak: maybe youdont own the file? |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i meant what he said bout govt making people donate :) |
| 02:32.36 | deadcat | xam: HAHAHAH revised |
| 02:32.49 | deadcat | second edition |
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| 02:32.57 | WiFiTux | stupid stupid irc client! |
| 02:33.08 | abrotman | chealer: why? |
| 02:33.22 | abrotman | WiFiTux: stupid stupid user? :) |
| 02:33.24 | jsoft | king james is prolly the best english translation |
| 02:33.29 | WiFiTux | Is it normall for a Wallstreet to take 7 hours to install Jaguar ? |
| 02:33.36 | abrotman | yaarg: do it again .. AND DIE! |
| 02:33.36 | jsoft | free of dodgy alterations |
| 02:33.37 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: if you have to use Windows IRCing, use xircon with the kano script. |
| 02:33.39 | WiFiTux | abrotman no no no! |
| 02:33.40 | yaarg | abrotman: :P |
| 02:33.42 | deadcat | jsoft: king james? he a rapper? |
| 02:33.45 | hjs | Why is it that when I look at http://download.kde.org/stable/3.3.1/Debian/Packages (version 3.3.1), most packages are 4:3.2.x or depend on kdelibs of this version ? Can anyone explain the versioning scheme used for debian kde packages? |
| 02:33.46 | abrotman | yaarg: do it again .. AND DIE! |
| 02:33.51 | jsoft | no he was a king. |
| 02:33.53 | chealer | abrotman: I mean I hear it the same way you do |
| 02:33.55 | WiFiTux | MobyTurbo what´s xircom, the brand? |
| 02:34.00 | abrotman | chealer: oh |
| 02:34.00 | deadcat | jsoft: haha. just kidding |
| 02:34.08 | jsoft | iirc shakespere was one of his subjects |
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| 02:34.33 | Tchiak | sorry about that |
| 02:34.42 | jsoft | ewww Xchat |
| 02:34.47 | abrotman | yaarg: you're an asshole aren't you? |
| 02:34.48 | MobyTurbo | WiFiTux: xircon. The name of the program. You can download it from cws.internet.com |
| 02:34.48 | loke | he can glare |
| 02:34.48 | guestish | hjs: unofficial repository |
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| 02:34.55 | nvz | robotfindskitten gets my award for the dumbest piece of software I have seen to date |
| 02:34.56 | jetscreamer | [20.12.34] * Grantbow waves |
| 02:34.58 | jetscreamer | ooops |
| 02:35.00 | yaarg | abrotman: i wanted to see what you'd do |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | yaarg: why don't you just ask me? |
| 02:35.09 | yaarg | abrotman: you said you'd kill me! |
| 02:35.11 | Tchiak | as root i can access the /localdrives/hdb1 directory but as non-root I can't.. how can i change it so i can acess the directory as non-root user? |
| 02:35.12 | xam | !asshole |
| 02:35.12 | dpkg | BillGates: You're being summoned, Dark Lord. |
| 02:35.20 | yaarg | abrotman: i awnt to see your mad hak0r skillz |
| 02:35.26 | chealer | Tchiak: sorry I don't know, if you find the answer though that's instering |
| 02:35.30 | MobyTurbo | jsoft: the KJV has wonderful Shakespearian diction, but it's far from being the most accurate. |
| 02:35.51 | tomb0y | quick question.. with LVM: i have several various volume groups, if i move drives around on ata cards, where possibly the drive letter changes, will that affect anything? |
| 02:35.53 | DarthWiFiTux | My nick is too long? |
| 02:36.07 | guestish | DarthWiFiTux: yes |
| 02:36.08 | peterS | tomb0y: no |
| 02:36.14 | zignig | peterS: bleh! |
| 02:36.21 | DarthWiFiTux | guestish ahh, bommer.. |
| 02:36.22 | peterS | tomb0y: LVM should find the PVs and reassemble them with no problem |
| 02:36.30 | tomb0y | peterS: ok im gonna trust you :) hehe |
| 02:36.31 | peterS | bleh, zignig |
| 02:36.37 | hjs | guestish: I don't understand. Why does the URL say 3.3.1 but Version: says 4:3.2.2. What does "4:" mean, and which version is that software *really* ? |
| 02:36.52 | guestish | hjs: they use their own versioning scheme |
| 02:36.54 | peterS | tomb0y: if your system doesn't boot, and you come back here and complain, I promise to try and help you as best I can (: |
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| 02:37.28 | slake | I have a bit of a strange problem.. |
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| 02:37.39 | guestish | slake: does it invlove a problematic situation/ |
| 02:37.41 | guestish | slake: ? |
| 02:37.46 | abrotman | yaarg: you're an idiot |
| 02:37.58 | slake | So I have this laptop, and it has no cdrom drive, so I used my mini-ide adapter to install debian 3.1 with sarge |
| 02:38.04 | tomb0y | peterS: ok :) yea i think i have a bad chanel on a ide card :) so gotta reassemble them, and it doesnt contain main drive, so itll boot for sure, its remounting is what i hope works ;) |
| 02:38.04 | slake | but sarge didn't add pcmcia support |
| 02:38.05 | hjs | guestish: there is a huge functionality difference (to me) between 3.2.2 and 3.3.1; before I start downloading the rather huge KDE on my slow connection, I need to know which version it is |
| 02:38.09 | dondelelcaro | hjs: that's an epoch. |
| 02:38.14 | peterS | tomb0y: sure |
| 02:38.15 | jsoft | MobyTurbo: yep, which do you think is the most accurate english translation though? |
| 02:38.19 | slake | and it set up this whole hardware detection thing and some custom kernel I think |
| 02:38.25 | slake | so I am afraid to recompile the kernel |
| 02:38.33 | guestish | hjs: its a backport |
| 02:38.37 | slake | is there a kernel configuration utility? |
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| 02:38.58 | peterS | hjs: the 4: part, you can ignore. explaining why it's there would take awhile, but I can do it if you're curious |
| 02:39.00 | slake | does debian do that? because I don't want to lose the initrd and other customizations if I just stick a vanilla kernel in |
| 02:39.13 | MobyTurbo | jsoft: that depends, for the Torah alone the Gutnick edition. For the entire Tanach (OT) there's Artscroll. |
| 02:39.21 | deadcat | abrotman: what the fuck. those crappy rock bands ditch their band and go solo? what an asshole |
| 02:39.26 | dondelelcaro | slake: just use a Debian kernel then. |
| 02:39.26 | mwilson | slake: And you need to recompile the kernel because...? |
| 02:39.47 | slake | because it doesn't have pcmcia support |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | deadcat: is that guy horrible or what? |
| 02:39.55 | hjs | peterS: if I can ignore it then I'm not so curious. I just want to know if http://download.kde.org/stable/3.3.1/Debian/Packages really contains KDE 3.3.1 |
| 02:39.57 | slake | but I can't even find the kernel source, I would have to add vanilla source |
| 02:40.06 | MobyTurbo | jsoft: the original Hebrew is the best of course, coupled with good commentaries. |
| 02:40.11 | slake | I would be happy just adding the pcmcia modules, but I can't find those either |
| 02:40.13 | dondelelcaro | slake: if it's a real live debian kernel, it does, or you can load the corresponding pcmcia package with modules in it. |
| 02:40.13 | jsoft | how do I stop lost+found directorys being created in each partition? |
| 02:40.16 | peterS | hjs: well, I have no idea what http://download.kde.org/ has |
| 02:40.18 | deadcat | abrotman: ya he sucks.. and hes solo now? bastard |
| 02:40.19 | dondelelcaro | jsoft: you don't. |
| 02:40.26 | abrotman | deadcat: he's like hootie :) |
| 02:40.28 | jsoft | well I want to. its a grotty |
| 02:40.30 | peterS | hjs: but if they version it like the debian archive, the 4: is of no concern |
| 02:40.32 | slake | well, how would I do that? |
| 02:40.41 | slake | I couldn't find pcmcia* with lsmod |
| 02:40.42 | deadcat | abrotman: except he blows |
| 02:40.45 | slake | er, modprobe |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | deadcat: he's better than that guy |
| 02:40.54 | slake | what would the pcmcia modules be called, and how would I load them? |
| 02:41.00 | dondelelcaro | jsoft: uh, then you totally don't understand what lost+found is for. There's no reason to touch them at all. |
| 02:41.06 | MobyTurbo | jsoft: lost+found is neccesary for fsck. |
| 02:41.09 | peterS | slake: apt-get install pcmcia-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 02:41.10 | jsoft | gay |
| 02:41.12 | jsoft | :( |
| 02:41.14 | dondelelcaro | !gay |
| 02:41.14 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 02:41.19 | jsoft | yes gay. |
| 02:41.23 | abrotman | bye |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:41.33 | jsoft | in bsd its nice and clean and proper |
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| 02:41.42 | jsoft | no hideous lost+found dir in the middle of a mounpoint |
| 02:41.43 | abrotman | then go fucking use BSD dumbass |
| 02:41.48 | peterS | abrotman: why is "gay" considered more offensive in here than "retard"? in the Real World I'd say it's pretty much the other way around |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | stop bitching |
| 02:41.52 | jsoft | im sorry, I cant for this project :) |
| 02:41.53 | dondelelcaro | jsoft: if you fsck the drives, your lost+foudn will show right back up. |
| 02:42.00 | mwilson | slake: How do you figure that a Debian kernel doesn't have PCMCIA support? |
| 02:42.03 | dondelelcaro | peterS: both of them are pretty offensive... |
| 02:42.08 | abrotman | peterS: depends .. i dated a SpecEd teacher .. i used that word once and only once :) |
| 02:42.10 | slake | because I checked which modules were loaded |
| 02:42.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: and yet people call each other "tards" in here all the time |
| 02:42.17 | slake | and my pcmcia slot doesn't respond at all |
| 02:42.17 | peterS | dondelelcaro: and nobody factoids them for it |
| 02:42.24 | abrotman | !fucktard |
| 02:42.24 | dpkg | well, fucktard is http://www.cafeshops.com/debianstuff.3644086 |
| 02:42.28 | slake | and it would make sense since I installed it with a computer that doesn't have a pcmcia slot |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | peterS: we do :) |
| 02:42.41 | peterS | abrotman: oh. well. not with threats of being devoiced, anyway (: |
| 02:42.47 | abrotman | now .. why does fucktard go to a thong? |
| 02:42.53 | Guerin | peterS: gay isn't insulting personally so much as it is insulting of faily large portion of society. |
| 02:43.00 | jsoft | lol |
| 02:43.01 | peterS | Guerin: same with "retard" |
| 02:43.05 | Guerin | peterS: and don't lecture me about retards |
| 02:43.06 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:43.12 | abrotman | yaarg: why do you keep pinging me? |
| 02:43.22 | yaarg | must be my client |
| 02:43.27 | Guerin | no, it's not, because retards don't refer to themselves as retards, nor are they referred to as such by anyone polite |
| 02:43.32 | Guerin | anymore |
| 02:43.33 | jsoft | gay really means happy, but somehow it got to be a reference to bent people |
| 02:43.38 | jsoft | oh well. |
| 02:43.57 | jsoft | what really should happen is bent removal |
| 02:43.59 | peterS | Guerin: so it's a bit different case. it's still considered an offensive word, outside #debian |
| 02:44.01 | jsoft | s/bent/bend |
| 02:44.33 | Guerin | the use of the adjectival form r"etarded" is one thing; but people who are retarded are no longer referred to as retards |
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| 02:44.57 | Guerin | jsoft: spare us the christian heritage rhetoric |
| 02:44.58 | peterS | Guerin: in the US, at least, we don't use the adjective 'retarded' anymore either |
| 02:45.10 | Guerin | peterS: I bet they do in medical circles |
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| 02:45.40 | peterS | Guerin: they might. guess I wouldn't know about that. 'mentally disabled' or 'mentally challenged' or similar is what society at large says, anymore |
| 02:45.45 | xam | Guerin: my cusin has autism ... I don't call him retard, but other people would (mistakenly) call him that |
| 02:45.48 | Guerin | yeah. |
| 02:45.49 | MobyTurbo | it's "developmentally disabled" |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | peterS: Special :) |
| 02:45.58 | peterS | abrotman: yeah. and mentally handicapped |
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| 02:46.14 | xam | peterS: yes, 'special' is a nice word ;) |
| 02:46.16 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: no, they don't in medial circles. They're people who have disorder or a disease. |
| 02:46.17 | Guerin | xam: yeah. retardation is a pretty specific developmental disorder. |
| 02:46.32 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: if anything, you give the specific name of the specific disorder that they have. |
| 02:47.16 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: and when getting more specific, without detailing the precise disorder? I know the medical professions in NZ and AU and the UK still use the blanket term "retardation" for a group of disorders. |
| 02:47.51 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: and they say the British are more polite... |
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| 02:48.09 | peterS | Guerin: anyway, I was just curious - saying "those politicians are 'tards" in other company would be considered in very poor taste. I just wonder why not in #debian. particularly since the thing about "gay" being offensive *is* taken so seriously |
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| 02:48.46 | Guerin | peterS: it's part of an internet slang mmeme, i think. i've never heard "retard" used like that outside the internet. |
| 02:48.49 | slake | how do I make it so it can mount vfat? |
| 02:48.57 | slake | or any other file system for that matter? |
| 02:49.03 | slake | what is the name of the .deb? |
| 02:49.03 | peterS | Guerin: could be |
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| 02:49.06 | deadcat | slake: you have vfat in your kernel? |
| 02:49.13 | xam | peterS: perhaps there are some gay people here (secretly), but no retards? ohh, wait a minute ... |
| 02:49.17 | Wyzard | slake: Filesystem support is part of the kernel, not a package you install |
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| 02:49.33 | Guerin | peterS: the only reason I think "gay" is to be taken more seriously is that it's a form of self-identification; a community needs to defendd its terminology. |
| 02:49.39 | slake | well... I don't think so |
| 02:49.45 | slake | it can't seem to mount fat volumes |
| 02:50.03 | dondelelcaro | slake: load the apropriate module, then mount the fs |
| 02:50.06 | Wyzard | slake: Unless you built your own custom kernel and left it out, it should be there... I'm pretty sure it's in all the Debian-supplied kernels |
| 02:50.36 | slake | wait.. gnu mount autodetects right? |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | xam: every day is sunday :) |
| 02:50.43 | slake | I am used to bsd... |
| 02:50.47 | Guerin | I have no doubt there are gay people in #debian, but I doubt there are any/many retards, in any meaningful sense of the word. So in that sense it seems more acceptable to use retard with the knowledge that it's unlikely to offend present ccompany. |
| 02:50.48 | Wyzard | slake: It can autodetect the type of the filesystem, yes |
| 02:50.50 | peterS | Guerin: it's not like the homosexual community didn't appropriate that word quite recently. you have to admit it's ironic that it's being reappropriated by the younger generation (: |
| 02:51.02 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: I've heard "retard" used as an insult. Never "fucktard" though, that's Internet slang. |
| 02:51.04 | Wyzard | slake: But the kernel module which provides support for that filesystem type needs to be loaded |
| 02:51.11 | Agrajag- | slake: you either need vfat built into the kernel, or the module loaded |
| 02:51.23 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: I've heard both used in speech |
| 02:51.25 | slake | what are the pcmcia kernel modules typically called? |
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| 02:51.33 | slake | I want to try to manually load them right now |
| 02:51.36 | Guerin | peterS: oh, I agree it's interesting, and I have been known to use it in that sense as well. I think context is important, though. |
| 02:51.40 | peterS | Guerin: as for offending present company - maybe there are no actual retards in here, but I bet there are brothers, sisters, or parents of retards in here. I'd expect them to be as offended as anyone |
| 02:51.42 | slake | but I am not sure what they are called, I couldn't find pcmcia* |
| 02:51.47 | tonedawg | why did my sound go away after an apt-get upgrade |
| 02:51.50 | dondelelcaro | slake: kernel-pcmcia-modules-* |
| 02:52.03 | slake | use modprobe right? |
| 02:52.04 | Wyzard | slake: The initscript from the pcmcia-cs package should load those modules automatically |
| 02:52.33 | Wyzard | tonedawg: If you're using ALSA and running unstable, there was a note recently regarding possible problems |
| 02:52.37 | Guerin | peterS: that's true too. But I'm more hypothesising on why it's common, than whether it's fight or not. |
| 02:52.38 | Agrajag- | tonedawg: perhaps your mixer settings got reset |
| 02:52.39 | peterS | slake: install the 'pcmcia-cs' package along with the pcmcia modules package matching your kernel. then don't worry about modprobe, it's all supposed to happen automatically |
| 02:52.44 | tonedawg | Wyzard , ah, ok, thank you |
| 02:52.54 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: then you must keep cruder company than I. ;-) |
| 02:53.02 | slake | I don't have networking or a working cd drive thats the thing |
| 02:53.04 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 02:53.13 | Guerin | peterS: and the unfortunate thing about many folks' use of "gay" is that (even in its re-appropriated meaning) it's quite specific, but people try to apply it evenly to anything they don't like. |
| 02:53.16 | slake | and I can't find pcmcia in /etc/init.d |
| 02:53.28 | tonedawg | actually, this raises a great question |
| 02:53.36 | tonedawg | is ALSA the best choice? |
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| 02:53.40 | slake | what should I do |
| 02:53.44 | Wyzard | tonedawg: yes |
| 02:53.45 | Guerin | tonedawg: almost certailny. |
| 02:53.57 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 02:54.02 | tonedawg | ok, thank you |
| 02:54.10 | MobyTurbo | tonedawg: like it or not, ALSA is the default in the 2.6 kernel. |
| 02:54.11 | Wyzard | tonedawg: The current problem is an API change, which can be fixed by (among other things) upgrading to kernel 2.6.9 |
| 02:54.21 | peterS | Guerin: well, I dunno. if people use it as a general derogative, even though they're doing so because of their own attitudes about the other recent definition of 'gay', doesn't it eventually just become another generic put-down? |
| 02:54.25 | Wyzard | tonedawg: but OSS is obsolete and ALSA is its replacement |
| 02:54.48 | tonedawg | Wyzard , but I fear the loss of my ibm pointer stick |
| 02:54.50 | Guerin | peterS: that's the question. it comes back to defending the usage of certain terminology. |
| 02:54.56 | peterS | Wyzard: OSS is only obsolete if the ALSA driver for your chip works better. which is often, but not always, the case |
| 02:55.12 | tonedawg | Wyzard , when I last tried 2.6, it was , um... heh |
| 02:55.25 | Wyzard | tonedawg: Well, I'm using 2.6.8 on two Thinkpads, and their mouse sticks work fine... they're plain PS/2 devices |
| 02:55.32 | abrotman | WiFiTux: your car installs? |
| 02:55.39 | abrotman | or is that the console? |
| 02:55.51 | tonedawg | Wyzard , ok, I'll give it another go |
| 02:56.02 | WiFiTux | abrotman Jaguar MacOSx 10.2 |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | you mean your mac is installikng? |
| 02:56.15 | slake | I am trying to use a thumbdrive... but I can't figure out which device node was created for it |
| 02:56.16 | WiFiTux | abrotman can you imagine 16 hours! |
| 02:56.20 | slake | is there a way I can tell? |
| 02:56.20 | tonedawg | kernel-image-2.6.8-1? |
| 02:56.21 | stew | !cmd beer (.*?) =~ s/Yuenling Lager/Yuengling Porter/ |
| 02:56.21 | dpkg | stew: i didn't have anything called 'cmd beer (.*?)' |
| 02:56.24 | slake | like does devfs keep a log? |
| 02:56.28 | WiFiTux | abrotman yess. |
| 02:56.28 | stew | damn |
| 02:56.31 | stew | : |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | stew: eww . no |
| 02:56.42 | Wyzard | slake: Those are handled by the "usb-storage" driver, which makes them appear as SCSI devices... so it'd be /dev/sda unless you already have some other SCSI disks |
| 02:56.43 | sorsis | I'm using 2.6.8.1 and this works great. after upgrading packages from testing this hasn't crashed even once. |
| 02:56.49 | WiFiTux | simonrvn should it take that long to install? |
| 02:56.54 | abrotman | stew: at least black& tan :) |
| 02:56.54 | stew | abrotman: their porter is an award winner at least |
| 02:56.58 | peterS | WiFiTux: have you seen http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/25/2253214 ? |
| 02:57.04 | abrotman | stew: but .. it's not a classic |
| 02:57.06 | sorsis | all the sweet things usable and so on. |
| 02:57.08 | peterS | WiFiTux: basically, you haven't got it bad |
| 02:57.19 | abrotman | stew: it's hard to find one person in PA other than Wyzard who hasn't had lager |
| 02:57.24 | Wyzard | slake: udev (the eventual replacement for devfs) can be configured to recognize specific devices and give them specific names |
| 02:57.34 | tonedawg | heh, debian is fun |
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| 02:57.39 | slake | okay, one other thing |
| 02:57.42 | ramon | hi |
| 02:57.46 | abrotman | tonedawg: wait til the crackheads come |
| 02:57.49 | Guerin | tonedawg: sure enough |
| 02:58.01 | slake | I want to put pcmcia-cs.deb on my thumbdrive and load it on manually... where can I find it? |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | stew: Lager is just such ... a staple :) |
| 02:58.07 | ramon | i have a problem with glade-2.. im using debian sarge |
| 02:58.15 | stew | s/Lager/Ale/ |
| 02:58.15 | peterS | ramon: what problem, then? |
| 02:58.15 | WiFiTux | peterS hahaha!! shit... |
| 02:58.18 | tonedawg | abrotman , awesome! |
| 02:58.20 | Wyzard | slake: When apt-get downloads a package, it goes in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:58.25 | ramon | the problem is that the button of add signals is missing |
| 02:58.28 | stew | !beer me |
| 02:58.32 | stew | much better |
| 02:58.33 | abrotman | peterS: is crackhead ok? |
| 02:58.42 | Wyzard | slake: ("apt-get clean" cleans out that directory btw) |
| 02:58.45 | slake | Wyzard, right, but I need to retrieve it on a non debian computer |
| 02:58.48 | abrotman | stew: at least i didn't put Beast in there :) |
| 02:58.52 | peterS | abrotman: I have no idea if that offends real crackheads or not |
| 02:58.59 | stew | abrotman: no problem |
| 02:59.19 | Wyzard | slake: In that case, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/pcmcia-cs |
| 02:59.24 | slake | thanks |
| 02:59.34 | Wyzard | slake: (assuming you're using unstable... otherwise, substitute as appropriate in the URL) |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | stew: huh? |
| 02:59.53 | stew | nm, i misread |
| 02:59.56 | Wyzard | slake: Note that if it's a CardBus card, you'll need hotplug as well |
| 03:00.12 | stew | i read it as at least don't |
| 03:00.15 | slake | I have hotplug.. |
| 03:00.21 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:00.44 | slake | oh, also, one other thing I think I need, where could I find pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 03:00.46 | slake | same site? |
| 03:00.52 | ramon | i can add a click signal to a click button on glade-2 because the add signal button of glade -2 its missing |
| 03:00.54 | tonedawg | ok, here goes nothin.... |
| 03:00.57 | sorsis | have apples engineers done some modification to kernel? because if not it could be ported easily on x86. |
| 03:00.58 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:01.03 | ramon | soory i cant :P |
| 03:01.07 | ramon | sorry |
| 03:01.09 | peterS | slake: it seems pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-* has been renamed to kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-* |
| 03:01.20 | Wyzard | unless it's one of the modules packages that has to be built locally because it depends on your running kernel |
| 03:01.25 | slake | okay, thinsk |
| 03:01.32 | Wyzard | which I don't know offhand, since I run 2.6 with its built-in PCMCIA drivers |
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| 03:02.48 | abrotman | who logins? |
| 03:02.50 | ramon | someone have the same problem with glade-2? |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | two? |
| 03:02.55 | tomb0y | peterS: do you know the correct way to make /dev/hdo /dev/hdp etc under woody.. normal MAKEDEV doesnt know how to do devices after hdl, and also ide channels after ide5 |
| 03:03.03 | jeebes | I don't wanna rile anyone up for using the K word, but when I install debian on my extra pc will the bootloader find my windows and knoppix install automatically? |
| 03:03.11 | peterS | tomb0y: hmmm |
| 03:03.20 | Wyzard | tomb0y: You have six IDE controllers? |
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| 03:03.49 | tomb0y | Wyzard: i have 2 onboard, then 3 ata cards, each with 2 channels, so total of 7 controllers |
| 03:03.50 | abrotman | jeebes: maybe? |
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| 03:03.55 | abrotman | jeebes: it's easy enough to edit |
| 03:03.58 | ramon | :( |
| 03:03.59 | slake | okay, thank you all, you have been very helpfull |
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| 03:04.01 | jeebes | hmm |
| 03:04.23 | Wyzard | tomb0y: And I thought I had a lot, with onboard+2cards :-) |
| 03:04.24 | stew | jeebes: windows definately, it might not pick up k* but if you have half a brain fixing it will be easy |
| 03:04.25 | jeebes | like with the K on it, I get to pick between 2 kernels, I'd have to manually add that in? |
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| 03:04.46 | peterS | tomb0y: cd /dev; mknod hdm b 88 0; mknod hdn b 88 64; for n in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15; do mknod hdm$n b 88 $n; mknod hdn$n b 88 $((n+64)); done |
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| 03:04.49 | peterS | tomb0y: that's for hdm and hdn |
| 03:04.50 | ramon | anyone using glade-2 ?? |
| 03:05.03 | stew | jeebes: you can copy your bootloader config from the knoppix install into the new one after you boot debian for the first time |
| 03:05.04 | ramon | on sarge |
| 03:05.06 | peterS | tomb0y: hdo and hdp are the same except 89 instead of 88 |
| 03:05.15 | jeebes | oh ok |
| 03:05.25 | jeebes | is the default grub? |
| 03:05.27 | peterS | tomb0y: then, chown root:disk hd[mnop]*; chmod 660 hd[mnop]* |
| 03:05.37 | stew | jeebes: for sarge installer, yes |
| 03:06.00 | slake | how do I make apt-get install .deb files localy? |