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| 00:00.24 | zaikxtox | i used apt-get source mozilla-firefox, and also tryed the mozilla vanilla source |
| 00:00.36 | Jaye | hecormar: some of it. I built the floppies, however, there is no longer a net image in the ISO's, it doesn't discover the PCMCIA NIC. :( |
| 00:00.37 | zaikxtox | and installed all libs on the .dsc debian package. |
| 00:00.57 | yazid | zaikxtox: a) it wants gtk 1.x . b) it can be compiled with 2.x somehow. c) compile it with 2.x if you can, gtk 1.x gives butt ugly fonts |
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| 00:01.02 | rucci | dpkg > search engines |
| 00:01.02 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, rucci |
| 00:01.19 | hecormar | Jaye, can't you use CDROM ? |
| 00:01.25 | zaikxtox | yazid, yes, i wanna gtk2. how can i do tu use that? |
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| 00:01.32 | rucci | or should i say, smart people querying dbpkg for me > search engines >_< |
| 00:01.41 | toresbe | Anyone here big on WANs? I have some old computer equipent with an HDLC card or something |
| 00:01.41 | zaikxtox | yazid, in fact, the debian version comes with gtk2 |
| 00:01.43 | Jaye | hecormar: no, only Floppy and hd, and network with PCMCIA. |
| 00:01.51 | JaMaLz | hello |
| 00:01.57 | yazid | zaikxtox: mozilloids are in the rare class of programs where i recommend using an official binary |
| 00:02.04 | JaMaLz | guys how many cds needed to install linux |
| 00:02.16 | yazid | JaMaLz: none |
| 00:02.24 | pipeline | That's the most correct answer. |
| 00:02.28 | pipeline | The best answer is probably one. |
| 00:02.36 | pipeline | If you're hellbent on using CD's, you only need one. |
| 00:02.37 | JaMaLz | debian |
| 00:02.38 | toresbe | JaMaLz: Depends. Between 1 and 6, but you can get away with using just 1 and then downloading them all automatically. |
| 00:02.38 | pipeline | But why use CD's? |
| 00:02.40 | nvz | its the only correct answer |
| 00:02.48 | toresbe | pipeline: It's easier. |
| 00:02.50 | rich_ | JaMaLz If you must use cd's, one will do it, plus a network connection. The floppy method is only about 5-8 floppies |
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| 00:02.53 | nvz | Linux was originally designed to install from a floppy |
| 00:02.54 | JaMaLz | Debian 3.0r2 < this i'm newbie |
| 00:02.55 | pipeline | toresbe: In bizarro world, maybe. |
| 00:02.55 | zaikxtox | yazid, jeje. thanks. i belive i can find the problem with patience. i have a PII 350 so i need to compile optimized debian packages from source, or switch to Yoper :) |
| 00:03.00 | JaMaLz | but i use gcc and all these stuff |
| 00:03.04 | JaMaLz | httpd and sshd |
| 00:03.10 | nvz | actually it ran on a floppy |
| 00:03.15 | rdancer | toresbe: woody is 7cds |
| 00:03.15 | kbrooks | i have a problem lol |
| 00:03.18 | yazid | for example, being on a 100MBit university network with a debian mirror on it, netinstall can be FASTER than cdrom |
| 00:03.18 | pipeline | JaMaLz: Those packages aren't part of linux. But they're still on the first debian CD. |
| 00:03.20 | hecormar | Jaye, http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst.en.html , but i don't know about pcmcia |
| 00:03.23 | rich_ | JaMaLz It gets it all from the internet, and keeps it updated the same way |
| 00:03.26 | kbrooks | i have a problem lol |
| 00:03.30 | rdancer | JaMaLz: 3.0r3 is the latest |
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| 00:03.45 | pipeline | JaMaLz: The decisions are made by how popular packages are, so the most popular packages are all on the first disc for convenience. |
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| 00:03.46 | JaMaLz | well where to download it from |
| 00:03.56 | JaMaLz | guys i have 128Kb connection |
| 00:04.10 | nvz | JaMaLz: what kind of network interface? |
| 00:04.10 | yazid | zaikxtox: optimization is not all it is cracked up to be. some benchmarks showed gentoo slower than stock debian |
| 00:04.18 | JaMaLz | so i need the less cds can make my system work properly |
| 00:04.23 | Jaye | hecormar: Thanks. I dig into it a bit deeper, hopefully I can figure something out with the current images. |
| 00:04.37 | JaMaLz | nvz, what exactly that mean |
| 00:04.40 | hecormar | good luck! |
| 00:04.41 | yazid | JaMaLz: probably a netinst can do, not sure if it handles ISDN |
| 00:04.48 | rdancer | JaMaLz: even then, netinstall is *much* more comfortable than CDs. |
| 00:04.49 | nvz | JaMaLz: how does the internet come into your machine |
| 00:04.57 | rich_ | JaMaLz: /msg dpkg install |
| 00:04.58 | JaMaLz | yazid, nop |
| 00:05.00 | kbrooks | i have a problem lol |
| 00:05.04 | l3m | zaikxtox: go to http://funroll-loops.org for some nice "optimized compiling" ...info |
| 00:05.16 | nvz | kbrooks: yeah you do. |
| 00:05.16 | JaMaLz | nvz, network card, realtk |
| 00:05.21 | zaikxtox | yazid, yes. i tried yoper. it's really fast. i love my debian, but yoper is terrible. i never seen some like that. |
| 00:05.27 | kbrooks | basically i installed debian |
| 00:05.42 | nvz | JaMaLz: you should be able to easily netinstall if you have a realtek network card and a DHCP network |
| 00:05.53 | zaikxtox | l3m, thanks. i'm compiling with -funroll-loops now :D |
| 00:06.02 | JaMaLz | nvz, my max download rate is about 10kb |
| 00:06.02 | kbrooks | and i cant use the internet with it |
| 00:06.06 | nvz | JaMaLz: my woody netinstall ISO was only like 31MB, and the Sarge one was only about 110MB |
| 00:06.09 | zaikxtox | l3m, but your links looks pretty good! |
| 00:06.10 | yazid | the charm of compiling things by hand for optimizing (as opposed to adaptation) is lost the moment you have to manage more than 3 boxen |
| 00:06.13 | kbrooks | and i have a usb modem |
| 00:06.21 | z36ra | anyone use geda? |
| 00:06.24 | l3m | zaikxtox: hmm funroll-loops is a parody.. optimized compiling is WAY overrated :) |
| 00:06.32 | JaMaLz | 56k can do nothing |
| 00:06.48 | yazid | JaMaLz: a 56k modem is supported with netinstall ;) |
| 00:07.00 | zaikxtox | l3m, ok. maybe, but when i say that Yoper speed is really something i have never seen, i say it in good faith |
| 00:07.01 | zaikxtox | :) |
| 00:07.01 | JaMaLz | yazid, how many days it gonna take |
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| 00:07.14 | nvz | JaMaLz: depends on what you install |
| 00:07.23 | Phated | JaMaLz: Maybe about eight hours... |
| 00:07.24 | z36ra | 56k? people still use that? hey did you know verizon has fiber-op for $50 bucks in Texas? |
| 00:07.31 | yazid | JaMaLz: and a minimum system is maybe 40-70 mb in downloads (they are compressed remember, and a basic debian system weighs in at 300MB installed size) |
| 00:07.39 | JaMaLz | guys i'm from lebanon |
| 00:07.43 | pipeline | zaikxtox, yazid: Something I rant about on a daily basis is how shitty GCC is as far as optimization. |
| 00:07.48 | zaikxtox | l3m, anyway, i will keep on debian, but i gonna continue tweaking it as much as i need :) |
| 00:07.53 | l3m | zaikxtox: sure but it's probably because they optimized the config and not because they have super-hyper-optimized binaries... in most cases the attempts at optimization turn out to slow down stuff :) |
| 00:08.04 | l3m | zaikxtox: are you using apt-build? |
| 00:08.06 | pipeline | JaMaLz: Heh, I was about to suggest you try getting someone to mail you a CD for a couple bucks, but sending a CD that far is going to be 10-15$ shipping alone. |
| 00:08.20 | JaMaLz | i need every thing incase i wanna use the gcc rpm httpd sshd and mozzila lynx xchat irssi |
| 00:08.32 | rich_ | 56 really isnt bad, compared to the price structure for dsl If your lucky and have good phone lines so you get consistanly 38k or faster |
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| 00:08.43 | kbrooks | hi Lafy |
| 00:08.47 | zaikxtox | l3m, i know they use PentiumPro optimized and prelinked binarys for all their packages. built from scratch |
| 00:08.49 | Lafy | what do i change about my apache config so that i dont need a trailing / on folders? |
| 00:08.53 | yazid | pipeline: well, but i guess time is better spent compiling your three heavy number crunching applications with intel, portland group, whatever compilers and leaving the rest stock than with the gentoo approach |
| 00:09.15 | JaMaLz | pipeline, who would do that if i have and know none can do that for me that for nothing |
| 00:09.21 | JaMaLz | pipeline, would ya send me the cds ?> |
| 00:09.29 | hecormar | Jaye, redhat and mandrake have a pcmcia.img |
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| 00:09.36 | hecormar | bootdisk |
| 00:09.38 | zaikxtox | l3m, of course, everything counts. i reccomend that if you have a spare partition try Yoper. I have used linux from 6 years and never have seen that speed. |
| 00:10.00 | pipeline | JaMaLz: Well, the first one, anyway. If you can download at 10 kb/s, that's not half bad. You could probably download the first disc overnight. |
| 00:10.18 | Jaye | hecormar: the manual is *not* helping. bugger. |
| 00:10.18 | l3m | zaikxtox: sure, but no one ever proofed a speed advantage from opt-compiling by more than maybe 1% ( except of course for numerical simulations ) |
| 00:10.28 | zaikxtox | l3m, i can't live without debian's repository, but i now know that there is more speed to get of my box than i have thinked before. |
| 00:10.29 | yazid | give me a fast linux system, and the first thing i will look at is the process table, then sysctl values, and compiler flags are an also ran |
| 00:10.42 | toresbe | Anyone know what HDLC is? |
| 00:10.44 | l3m | zaikxtox: anyway, have a look at apt-build, so you can "auto-build-from-source" |
| 00:10.46 | Phated | JaMaLz: Install a bare minimum, and then install stuff as you need them. |
| 00:10.49 | JaMaLz | pipeline, i can get the first cd |
| 00:10.56 | JaMaLz | but does it have every thing i need |
| 00:10.56 | yazid | toresbe: yeah, some obscure old WAN stuff |
| 00:11.00 | hecormar | Jaye, because i think, pcmcia diskette install is not include, but not sure |
| 00:11.07 | rich_ | JaMaLz: If you do a network install, just downloading what you need for a base system and a network connection then install the other stuff at the end, it takes about an hour, icludeing configuration. |
| 00:11.09 | JaMaLz | cause i have redhat but it's "S yukky |
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| 00:11.25 | zaikxtox | l3m, i will. that sounds good! |
| 00:11.27 | toresbe | JaMaLz: It is. :P |
| 00:11.35 | JaMaLz | rich_, the problem i love to download every thing |
| 00:11.49 | Jaye | hecormar: according the Joey's page, it's supposed to work, however, things have really changed since I last did a Debian install (Potato). |
| 00:11.52 | toresbe | JaMaLz: Then, do this: Burn a netinstall CD. |
| 00:12.13 | JaMaLz | is there a site got a list of every cd contants |
| 00:12.13 | toresbe | JaMaLz: Then it will set up your network card, and download all the SW packages automagically. |
| 00:12.26 | zaikxtox | yazid, -enable-default-toolkit=gtk2 |
| 00:12.34 | zaikxtox | yazid, that was the awnser! :D |
| 00:12.36 | rich_ | JaMaLz Well its the difference between being able to chat on irc while your downloading it, or wait a longer time to get many packages youll never use |
| 00:12.39 | zaikxtox | i now can go in peace |
| 00:12.42 | zaikxtox | see you later! |
| 00:12.59 | JaMaLz | rich_, i know |
| 00:13.00 | toresbe | rich_: You can IRC while netinstalling.. Isn't telnet in? |
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| 00:13.23 | JaMaLz | but i gonna do that so i wanna download the cds and give them to my friends |
| 00:13.26 | JaMaLz | thats the basic |
| 00:13.49 | yazid | from the funroll-loops: ""I find it suprising no one has mentioned the fact that Gentoo the only mainstream distro that uses gcc3 for everything" ... huh???? |
| 00:13.51 | Jaye | hecormar: I'm downloading the full Sarge-1 cd. Hopefully the network drivers will be contained in it. . . |
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| 00:14.12 | rich_ | toresbe Yes thats what I mean, you can netinstall, and pick the packages you want first, like irc, even x, depending on how long you want to wait, then irc, or use whatever you chose to download first while waiting for the rest |
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| 00:14.22 | hecormar | umm, what drivers do you need ? |
| 00:14.22 | lancey | hi guys |
| 00:14.27 | kbrooks | basically i installed debian |
| 00:14.29 | kbrooks | and i cant use the internet with it |
| 00:14.31 | kbrooks | and i have a usb modem |
| 00:14.31 | lancey | what is the proper way to add things to start up at boot time |
| 00:14.34 | kbrooks | why? |
| 00:14.47 | caphuso | lancey: read /etc/init.d/README and the pointers it gives you |
| 00:14.50 | kbrooks | why cant i use the internet without usb? |
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| 00:14.58 | kbrooks | with* |
| 00:15.00 | hecormar | Jaye, the pcmcia ones will be there, you could instead download the mini.iso |
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| 00:15.39 | JaMaLz | so any one gonna give me solutions |
| 00:15.45 | rich_ | kbrooks I dont know, sorry. But that is another good reason for doing a network install. It always starts off by connecting you to the internet. |
| 00:15.47 | Jaye | hecormar: I'll look, think I already did. |
| 00:15.49 | Phated | JaMaLz: Patience. |
| 00:16.02 | JaMaLz | ok Phated :) |
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| 00:16.29 | ryan_ | mmm, beer |
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| 00:16.42 | Phated | JaMaLz: :) Seriously if you want all the CDs, just let them run overnight for a couple days and burn the during the day and then hand them around to copy. :) |
| 00:16.52 | hecormar | Jaye, http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/boot-floppies/ |
| 00:17.02 | smj | rand-irc: Don't pm me. |
| 00:17.10 | Jaye | hecormar: I do have it, have no idea what files are for what. Not even a readme in it. |
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| 00:17.33 | JaMaLz | where to get Phated is the first cd the most important |
| 00:17.54 | JaMaLz | Phated, i have a bandwidth |
| 00:18.02 | Phated | JaMaLz: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:18.05 | JaMaLz | it's 1gb |
| 00:18.10 | Jaye | hecormar: the manual is pointing to Woody . . . hmmmm |
| 00:18.11 | JaMaLz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.17 | Phated | Oh FFS. |
| 00:18.21 | Phated | Type it without the space. |
| 00:18.28 | JaMaLz | Phated, ok don |
| 00:18.35 | hecormar | Jaye, yes woody, the upgrade to sarge |
| 00:18.42 | Phated | JaMaLz: So? |
| 00:18.54 | JaMaLz | told me to oppen a site |
| 00:19.01 | JaMaLz | and join debian boot |
| 00:19.01 | Jaye | hecormar: thanks |
| 00:19.10 | Phated | JaMaLz: SO? Do it. :/ |
| 00:19.22 | JaMaLz | Phated, done |
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| 00:19.39 | hecormar | !tell Jaye about woody->sarge |
| 00:19.39 | paddy | hi |
| 00:19.40 | Phated | JaMaLz: FFS are you incapable of READING a webpage? |
| 00:20.10 | paddy | what does this message on lilo execution mean exactly: Warning: boot record relocation beyond BPB is necessary: /dev/hda3 |
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| 00:20.32 | Jaye | hecormar: I *really* wanted Sarge for the kernel and autoconfig of audio etc. However, we're currently rethinking the issue :) |
| 00:20.58 | JaMaLz | i gonna download the first cd and if it didn't work as ya said gonna burn it and forget about debian even if it's the best linux ever |
| 00:21.52 | Guerin | JaMaLz: just get a gdmf netinstall cd |
| 00:22.00 | hecormar | well,install woody and then upgrade to sarge, is not a big deal |
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| 00:22.32 | hecormar | it is recommended, Jaye (if it's not a workstation or a server) |
| 00:22.40 | JaMaLz | i have the netisntall |
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| 00:22.48 | JaMaLz | but my connection isn't stable |
| 00:22.50 | JaMaLz | it come and go |
| 00:23.04 | Guerin | JaMaLz: so? |
| 00:23.19 | JaMaLz | Guerin, i did use the netinstall once and the hub crash |
| 00:23.26 | JaMaLz | and i tried it all over and over |
| 00:23.27 | Guerin | what hub? |
| 00:23.39 | JaMaLz | i'm sick of that thats why asking for the most needed cds |
| 00:23.58 | hecormar | O_o |
| 00:23.59 | JaMaLz | so i can install programs and use it as a basic |
| 00:24.29 | Guerin | JaMaLz: most of the common shit is on cd1. cds 1-3 should cover most everything you'll use. |
| 00:24.32 | simonrvn | first cd will be enough... |
| 00:24.40 | simonrvn | so stop worrying |
| 00:24.49 | JaMaLz | Guerin, thanks |
| 00:25.25 | hecormar | JaMaLz, take a lot to knoppix, it might be much easier |
| 00:25.34 | binarydigit | does debian have the javavm in apt sourceS? |
| 00:25.40 | JaMaLz | hecormar, i have knoppix and morphix |
| 00:25.43 | paddy | what does this message on lilo execution mean exactly: Warning: boot record relocation beyond BPB is necessary: /dev/hda3 |
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| 00:25.46 | JaMaLz | and lots other distro |
| 00:25.46 | Guerin | !tell binarydigit about get-blackdown |
| 00:25.49 | JaMaLz | i need debian |
| 00:26.14 | JaMaLz | is debian-30r2 the last version |
| 00:26.17 | JaMaLz | or there is another |
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| 00:26.21 | hecormar | dok, get CD1, as they said |
| 00:26.43 | Guerin | JaMaLz: yeah, that'll do. 3.0r3 was released two days ago,, but there's not much difference. |
| 00:26.57 | rich_ | hecormar I understand why you would expect an unbiased responce from this channel. Knoppix bad, debian good. |
| 00:27.08 | Guerin | !responce |
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| 00:27.14 | JaMaLz | Guerin, us there a site |
| 00:27.18 | rich_ | Guerin Thank you. |
| 00:27.24 | Guerin | JaMaLz: there are lots of sites |
| 00:27.36 | hecormar | rich_, O_o, nothing is bad, just diferent |
| 00:27.37 | JaMaLz | i found in www.debian.org |
| 00:27.42 | Guerin | JaMaLz: would you care to narrow your field of inquiry? |
| 00:27.43 | JaMaLz | this version |
| 00:27.47 | JaMaLz | in all mirrors |
| 00:28.00 | Guerin | JaMaLz: just use 3.0r2 |
| 00:28.06 | pipeline | paddy: Heh, I think it means "install grub" |
| 00:28.14 | JaMaLz | ok |
| 00:28.15 | hecormar | rich_, i am a debian user, also i use other systems, from M$'s to Sun's, all of them differ |
| 00:28.19 | paddy | such comments dont help |
| 00:28.21 | JaMaLz | not really :) |
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| 00:29.01 | Guerin | hecormar: some are suited to being used as an OS, others are suited only to being used as a livecd. You're adding noise to this conversation by recommending something which clearly doesn't meet his requirements. |
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| 00:29.19 | rich_ | hecormar I figured you wouldnt mention knoppix except to ask. So the answer is, Knoppix bad, debian good. If you want a different answer, ask a different person.. |
| 00:29.25 | Error_X | Does the 2.6.8 kernel supports nvidia geforce 4? |
| 00:29.41 | Guerin | Error_X: fsvo supports, yes. |
| 00:29.42 | rich_ | maybe someone whos tried knoppix |
| 00:29.43 | pipeline | As much as any other. |
| 00:29.46 | binarydigit | Guerin: so i apt-get install get-blackdown now? |
| 00:29.55 | Error_X | Guerin: what is fsvo? |
| 00:30.14 | Guerin | binarydigit: no, you read the information in the get-blackdown factoid and then you follow the instructions |
| 00:30.23 | Guerin | !fsvo |
| 00:30.23 | dpkg | well, fsvo is For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 00:30.40 | binarydigit | it just says to add it to you rapt source list |
| 00:30.41 | binarydigit | which i did |
| 00:30.43 | Error_X | uhm |
| 00:30.45 | binarydigit | doesnt say what to do next |
| 00:31.32 | Guerin | Error_X: the linux kernel supports all or practically all nvidia cards out of the box, but if you want opengl, you'll need to use the proprietary binary drivers from nvidia. |
| 00:31.41 | Guerin | binarydigit: apt-cache search blackdown |
| 00:31.44 | binarydigit | k |
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| 00:31.55 | Error_X | Guerin: oki |
| 00:32.02 | Error_X | I found it in apt |
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| 00:33.08 | scarynetworkguy | !gentoosmite Guerin |
| 00:33.24 | Guerin | probably would be the net effect, too |
| 00:33.50 | smj | I've never been compiled... |
| 00:33.55 | binarydigit | Guerin: blah they dont have a 1.4 |
| 00:34.17 | Guerin | binarydigit: if you want teh latest and teh greatest, go to java.sun.com |
| 00:34.27 | binarydigit | ok |
| 00:34.36 | smj | !gentoosmite smj |
| 00:34.44 | smj | YAY!!!! |
| 00:35.04 | smj | Cya folks... |
| 00:35.16 | Guerin | why should I cover my arse? |
| 00:35.28 | Guerin | my home iss my castle, you know. |
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| 00:42.25 | Weeee | !gentoosmite Weeee |
| 00:42.33 | kingsley | Which directory tree is generic enough to give an unbiased time for compressing its data? |
| 00:42.47 | macula | hey.. im having a problem setting my ulimit to unlimited.. im getting this error message... "bash: ulimit: cannot modify open files limit: Operation not permitted" ... any suggestions |
| 00:42.56 | guestish | kingsley: ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
| 00:43.11 | guestish | macula: you root? |
| 00:43.23 | macula | guestish : yep |
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| 00:43.28 | guestish | macula: dunno then |
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| 00:43.40 | guestish | sorry |
| 00:43.54 | macula | i can decrease it as a normal user, just cant increase it when root |
| 00:44.12 | macula | np, thanks anyway |
| 00:45.29 | teknotus | What do I do so that when I use make-kpg to build a kernel I end up with a i686.deb instead of defaulting to i386? I feel like I am missing something obvious. |
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| 00:46.21 | scarynetworkguy | teknotus: you set it in your .config under proc type |
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| 00:48.32 | xuser | hi, how do you check a file for md5? |
| 00:48.40 | Buffy | How do I put Debian into console/text-only mode? :3 |
| 00:48.43 | scarynetworkguy | run md5sum on it |
| 00:49.10 | xuser | scarynetworkguy: md5sum <file> ? |
| 00:49.22 | Guerin | Buffy: how did you start x? |
| 00:49.35 | scarynetworkguy | Buffy: %90 of the time |
| 00:49.47 | scarynetworkguy | Buffy: How do you slay a demon? |
| 00:49.50 | Guerin | kingsley: / |
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| 00:50.18 | Buffy | scarynetworkguy: With a stake, of course. |
| 00:50.26 | scarynetworkguy | Buffy: coolness |
| 00:50.27 | Buffy | Guerin: It started automatically? |
| 00:50.35 | Guerin | teknotus: choose the correct optimisations. |
| 00:50.39 | MelloYello | anyoe here know the switch when compiling squid from source so it authenticates clients from ldap (Microsoft AD) ? |
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| 00:50.56 | MelloYello | or is this done seperately |
| 00:50.58 | Guerin | Buffy: do you use kde or gnome or what? |
| 00:51.22 | Guerin | you don't slay a demon with a stake |
| 00:51.25 | Buffy | Guerin: I just installed it and I'm using whatever it uses by default? |
| 00:51.43 | Guerin | I don't watch buffy the vampire slapper and even I know that |
| 00:52.06 | Buffy | You can if you push hard enough, alot of the time. |
| 00:52.06 | Guerin | Buffy: at a root prompt, type /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 00:52.29 | Buffy | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 00:52.47 | Guerin | !nodm |
| 00:52.47 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 00:52.52 | Guerin | there it is |
| 00:53.41 | MelloYello | anyone here adverse with squid ? |
| 00:53.49 | kingsley | Guerin: I may owe you an apology. / is a clever idea, but, it's so big that testing each of Debian's 90+ data compressors against it would take too long. I'm hoping to find a representative directory tree that's around 15 megabytes, before compression. |
| 00:53.50 | scarynetworkguy | MelloYello: squid is great |
| 00:53.57 | MelloYello | anyoe here know the switch when compiling squid from source so it authenticates clients from ldap (Microsoft AD) ? |
| 00:54.16 | MelloYello | scarymetworkguy: have an answer for that one? |
| 00:54.28 | scarynetworkguy | MelloYello: ask a question that makes sense |
| 00:54.46 | MelloYello | it does make sense, if you were a network guy you would know what the hell I meant |
| 00:54.53 | MelloYello | its aint rocket science |
| 00:54.54 | Guerin | kingsley: 15MB isn't big enough to do meaningful data analysis on. |
| 00:55.12 | scarynetworkguy | MelloYello: AD and LDAP are not the same thing. |
| 00:55.45 | scarynetworkguy | MelloYello: and I do know what you mean but am just wondering why in the fuck we should read docs for you |
| 00:55.50 | scarynetworkguy | mark time |
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| 00:55.59 | novice | hello everybody |
| 00:56.01 | teknotus | scarynetworkguy: I copied the config from what came in a i686.deb so I assumed what was in the .config would be correct. |
| 00:56.06 | MelloYello | AD is an implementation of ldap.. anyway I dont care about the theoy, university can give me that and has.. whats the switch or isn;t there one |
| 00:56.08 | rand-irc | smj: i pm'd you 6 hours ago, and apologised for it already. |
| 00:56.19 | glick | excuse me, whats this 'discover' program all about and do I want it to manage my CD-ROM devices and mount points? |
| 00:56.29 | kingsley | Guerin: Why do you think more than 15 MB is necessary? |
| 00:56.32 | scarynetworkguy | mark time |
| 00:56.33 | teknotus | scarynetworkguy: I couldn't find a proctype in .config |
| 00:56.37 | scarynetworkguy | http://www.devet.org/squid/proxy_auth/ |
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| 00:56.45 | rich_ | rand-irc but what have you done for him lately? :) |
| 00:56.46 | novice | does anybody know if gaim have a webcam option? my fried is trying to make a connection w/ me but i can "accept" the request |
| 00:56.50 | scarynetworkguy | not to fucking shabby if I do say so myself |
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| 00:57.04 | rand-irc | heh |
| 00:57.04 | teknotus | Guerin: how? |
| 00:57.11 | scarynetworkguy | teknotus: then you should look harder I think it's the 2nd option done in a menuconfig |
| 00:57.29 | Guerin | novice: it doesn't. gaim-vv does, but it's still under development. If you want webcammery, use gnomemeeting |
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| 00:57.42 | shwag | anyone know what net.ipv4.neigh.default.gc_thresh is for ? |
| 00:57.50 | Fluten | can debian be installed from a non-debian cd? |
| 00:57.53 | Fluten | such as a knoppix cd |
| 00:57.58 | scarynetworkguy | teknotus: and what makes you think that the config is not right? |
| 00:58.19 | Guerin | kingsley: it's not big enough. there won't be enough variance in the data unless you're measuring it in microseconds. |
| 00:58.30 | novice | Guerin: does gnomemeeting use the msn protocol? |
| 00:58.31 | MelloYello | scarynetworkguy: see how difficlt was that, and it didn't involve telling me all about ldap :) thanks for your help |
| 00:58.44 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite MelloYello |
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| 00:58.57 | scarynetworkguy | MelloYello: :D don't be lazy |
| 00:59.01 | hiro | hey guys i got a quick question. |
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| 00:59.06 | thomas_adam | Fluten: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/KnoppixDebian |
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| 00:59.14 | Fluten | !gentoosmite mozilla |
| 00:59.23 | scarynetworkguy | hiro: are you the best sword fighter in the world |
| 00:59.27 | thomas_adam | Fluten: Also, there is debtakeover. |
| 00:59.31 | hiro | sure. |
| 00:59.33 | hiro | :) |
| 00:59.38 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: did you get your Cure yet? |
| 00:59.48 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: I did. It's very good. :) |
| 00:59.49 | Guerin | novice: no. Tell your friends to use open protocols like h323 - which is used in netmeeting. I believe the msn protocol is actually just h323 with an obfuscation wrapper around it, but don't quote me on that. |
| 00:59.52 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: what about xteddytakeover :D |
| 00:59.57 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: *nod* |
| 00:59.59 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 01:00.06 | thomas_adam | xteddytakeover is still here. :) |
| 01:00.10 | Fluten | thomas_adam, i've got 2 debian floppies for doing a network install, but they don't seem to want to take my lan card |
| 01:00.10 | scarynetworkguy | the more I listen to it the more I like it |
| 01:00.22 | thomas_adam | Fluten: What card you got? |
| 01:00.24 | Fluten | thomas_adam, i tried modprobing them by pressing alt-f2 |
| 01:00.27 | Guerin | !tell Fluten about chroot install |
| 01:00.29 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Yes, that's the same for most albums. |
| 01:00.40 | Fluten | thomas_adam, a 3com 3c509 |
| 01:00.46 | thomas_adam | Fluten: Are you using debian-installer ? |
| 01:00.49 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: true very true |
| 01:01.09 | jozzer | are there any quote database like apps to generate a random quote ? |
| 01:01.11 | hiro | no really. I am tring to install debian. All hapy and stuff. I am tring to do the netinstall. I get to the screen where it asks me the domain name. i dont put anything in there since its not setup in the router... just plug and go. Now it goes to the next screen and turn black. i can see soemthing cycling saying "could not connect to debian ftp blah blah." what can i do? i went into safe mode and i ping a site and i got a responce so it co |
| 01:01.11 | Fluten | thomas_adam, yes |
| 01:01.17 | thomas_adam | Fluten: Ask in #debian-boot |
| 01:01.17 | scarynetworkguy | jozzer: fortunes |
| 01:01.20 | glick | anyone know what i should answer to 'Configure disscover' should i let it manage my cd-rom and mount points? Im not too sure what it does |
| 01:01.23 | teknotus | scarynetworkguy: Silly me I was looking in the actual file :-/ it was set to pentium II which still would be something other than just i386 |
| 01:01.31 | novice | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:01.37 | thomas_adam | glick: It's a PITA. |
| 01:01.41 | scarynetworkguy | teknotus: yeah |
| 01:01.43 | Guerin | hiro: choose a different mirror? |
| 01:01.52 | jozzer | scarynetworkguy: thanks |
| 01:01.54 | glick | thomas_adam, whats a PITA? |
| 01:02.00 | hiro | its not telling me do anything at all. |
| 01:02.01 | thomas_adam | glick: /media{,/cdrom/,floppy} |
| 01:02.02 | Guerin | glick: widhe |
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| 01:02.06 | scarynetworkguy | jozzer: no drama |
| 01:02.15 | kingsley | Guerin: That doesn't make sense to me. With a 14 MB file, I'm seeing compression times between .348 and 219 seconds. |
| 01:02.18 | hiro | i tried a diffenent one but th eonly way i can get there is by reinstalling |
| 01:02.38 | hiro | and still does not work samthing |
| 01:02.43 | Fluten | thomas_adam, i'll try chroot install first |
| 01:02.44 | Guerin | kingsley: wtf takes 219 seconds to compress a 14MB file? |
| 01:02.47 | Fluten | off of the knoppix cd |
| 01:03.07 | jozzer | ;) |
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| 01:03.32 | kingsley | Guerin: 7za. It saves 79% of the original size. |
| 01:03.33 | hiro | i am gong to reburn the cd again.. which one should i get official testing or the unoffical statble? for the netinstall? |
| 01:04.09 | Guerin | kingsley: also, I'd think that it's important to measure how compressors scale over large datasets, as well. I take it you don't have an incredibly fast machine... |
| 01:04.27 | Guerin | hiro: use testing unless it's for a production server box |
| 01:04.32 | z36ra | always prefered floppy here. am i missing something? |
| 01:05.07 | Guerin | z36ra: I'm sure not missing fucked-floppy-nightmare-hell, how about you? |
| 01:05.34 | hiro | anyone ? |
| 01:05.52 | thomas_adam | hiro: /msg dpkg netinst |
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| 01:06.10 | Guerin | hiro: was my answer not good enough for you? |
| 01:06.33 | z36ra | seriously, why not dd 3 floppies for a netinst? |
| 01:06.36 | Xenguy | hiro: <Agent Smith voice>Mr. Protagonist</Agent Smith voice> ;-) |
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| 01:06.39 | hiro | i am sorry here we go my irc is a litle mess up |
| 01:06.54 | hiro | i read it from snowcrash |
| 01:07.05 | Xenguy | hiro: I loved that book :-) |
| 01:07.13 | teknotus | novice: Something you should know about netmeeting they haven't updated it in around 3 years so you will have to be careful to not set gnomemeeting to use new versions of protocals, and some versions of netmeeting have a bug where you can't send large size video to them from gnomemeeting. |
| 01:07.38 | hiro | it was awsome.. have you read "wizards first rule:? |
| 01:07.52 | Xenguy | hiro: nope |
| 01:08.18 | hiro | its by terry goodkind you should pick it up .. its good stuff |
| 01:08.31 | hiro | have you read any other book like snowcrash i can't seem to find any |
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| 01:09.05 | Guerin | teknotus: gnomemeeting supports the h.323 protocol. if netmeeting doesn't support it correctly, that's very sad. |
| 01:09.09 | z36ra | anyone know a channel for electronics cad in linux? |
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| 01:09.21 | Buffy | Bah... I installed VMware tools and now X won't boot up. --; |
| 01:09.37 | Nyle | that sucks |
| 01:09.48 | hiro | hey thomas can i prv msg u? |
| 01:09.49 | FieldySnuts | vmwaresmite? |
| 01:09.53 | thomas_adam | hiro: No. |
| 01:10.02 | FieldySnuts | hiro: yes, message thomas_adam |
| 01:10.10 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: Quiet, you. |
| 01:10.13 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 01:10.13 | Guerin | naw, people who use vmware have already smoten themselves |
| 01:10.17 | FieldySnuts | yeah no shit |
| 01:10.19 | glick | what disk drive would a firewire externel harddrive be? im thinking sda but apparently its not |
| 01:10.34 | glick | when i plug it in dmesg reports that it sees it fine |
| 01:10.39 | Guerin | glick: dmesg should tell you. if it doesn't, it's not working. |
| 01:10.45 | hiro | i should get woody-i386-1.iso right? |
| 01:11.05 | Guerin | should be /dev/sd? |
| 01:11.07 | Buffy | VMware's the best solution I have. Meh. |
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| 01:11.13 | teknotus | Guerin: The original version of h.323 was found to have a security hole so there is a h.323 v2 which gnome meeting does support, but netmeeting does not since microsoft stopped developing it. Gnomemeeting is backwards compatible though :-) |
| 01:11.30 | FieldySnuts | i have never seen netmeeting and gnomemeeting actually work together. |
| 01:11.31 | Guerin | teknotus: ok, I see. |
| 01:11.34 | Guerin | I have |
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| 01:11.40 | FieldySnuts | want a medal? |
| 01:11.41 | Guerin | they work fine |
| 01:12.01 | Guerin | nope,but I already have a chest to pin one on |
| 01:12.08 | hiro | ok thats the same cd i downloaded.. How can i fix the litle problem i am having? |
| 01:12.26 | compguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.49 | Guerin | compguy: can you explain in 50 words or less why we'd give a flying fuck? |
| 01:12.57 | compguy | Yes, I can. |
| 01:13.02 | Guerin | please do. |
| 01:13.08 | compguy | Ok. |
| 01:13.10 | compguy | You don't. |
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| 01:13.18 | Guerin | F |
| 01:13.20 | teknotus | FieldySnuts: I use them together almost every day, but sometimes I have had to mess with it so I have learned the tricks. |
| 01:13.24 | Guerin | go to the back of the class |
| 01:13.27 | glick | hmm i dont know what to make of these dmesg messages |
| 01:13.30 | hiro | thomas hey man.. any clue? |
| 01:13.35 | compguy | heh |
| 01:13.51 | thomas_adam | hiro: No, now fuck off and stop bugging me, |
| 01:14.05 | glick | ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device |
| 01:14.05 | glick | ieee1394: sbp2: Node 0-00:1023: Max speed [S400] - Max payload [2048] |
| 01:14.05 | glick | ieee1394: Node added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023] GUID[0050770e4000481e] |
| 01:14.05 | hiro | dude. sorry man.. |
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| 01:14.21 | giuppi | porco dio |
| 01:14.24 | Xenguy | hiro: interesting... that book gets either 5 star reviews, or else 1 or 2... |
| 01:14.25 | thomas_adam | hiro: The links in the 'netinst' howto tell all. |
| 01:14.28 | compguy | It's just that I recently upgraded to the 2.6 kernal, as 2.4 was unstable on my hardware. And now its been up for 7 hours, which is a record for this installation. |
| 01:14.32 | compguy | *kernel |
| 01:14.33 | glick | i dont see a device sbp |
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| 01:14.41 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:15.00 | Xenguy | hiro: I'm always intrigued by books (or movies) that get schizo ratings like that |
| 01:15.07 | Guerin | glick: spb2 is the driver, not a device. Your device should be /dev/sd? |
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| 01:15.25 | hiro | Well xeguy put it this way i dont like reason that many books. i actually boutg the full seris twice.. one in hardcover and another in softcover incase somone wants to borrow it. |
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| 01:15.45 | hiro | reason = reading |
| 01:16.06 | hiro | I can't spell or type for anything today. |
| 01:16.19 | hiro | i recommend those books. they are good. |
| 01:16.20 | Buffy | Fatal server error: Failed to initialize core devices... Bah. |
| 01:16.32 | glick | hmm none of the sd* devices can be opened with fdisk |
| 01:16.35 | Guerin | Buffy: which core device? |
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| 01:16.54 | Guerin | glick: as root, fdisk -l /dev/sd? does nothing? |
| 01:16.54 | Xenguy | hiro: I'll keep my eye open for it :-) |
| 01:17.09 | Buffy | Guerin: The mouse, apparently. |
| 01:17.21 | glick | Guerin, nope |
| 01:18.04 | glick | hmm maybe i need to recompile my kernel for firewire storage devices? |
| 01:18.16 | Guerin | glick: you might need some more podules loaded - sd or sg, perhaps. I've got a firewire ide case, but I can't get it working either |
| 01:18.28 | Guerin | not that I've tried very hard, since the drive is cyurrently in a desktop pc |
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| 01:18.34 | Buffy | xf86OpenSerial: Cannot Open device /dev/mouse/, no such file or directory, Mouse1 cannot open input device, PreInit failed for input device Mouse1, no core pointer... |
| 01:18.42 | Guerin | glick: debian kernels should work fine with firewire |
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| 01:19.03 | Guerin | Buffy: try /dev/input/mice |
| 01:19.17 | routeskeeper | how do I change init level when I reboot Debian? |
| 01:19.50 | routeskeeper | and what's the appropriate level if samba hang on start? |
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| 01:20.51 | Buffy | I thought the VMware tools were supposed to help. --; |
| 01:20.53 | dondelelcaro | routeskeeper: usually you can ^C out of samba. |
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| 01:21.26 | dondelelcaro | routeskeeper: but if it's a big deal, boot into single user mode, fix the problem with samba, then reboot. |
| 01:21.45 | routeskeeper | dondelelcaro: how to boot w/o network? |
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| 01:21.55 | Fluten | can i mount my /var partition over nfs, and expect it to be mounted before daemons start? |
| 01:22.02 | Fluten | if i put it in /etc/fstab |
| 01:22.20 | routeskeeper | dondelelcaro: the fucking problem is that I have to instruct a guy w/o any knowledge of Debian to fix the problem |
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| 01:23.04 | dondelelcaro | routeskeeper: and you're sure it's not booting because of samba? |
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| 01:23.16 | slara | 10 mins for my first sid install... |
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| 01:23.47 | z36ra | anyone use cadsoft eagle? |
| 01:24.01 | routeskeeper | dondelelcaro: yes, I'm not on the side of the Debian but that guy told me so |
| 01:24.01 | dondelelcaro | routeskeeper: your first thing is to instruct the person to ^C when samba hangs. Your second choice is to boot with init=/sbin/init 1 then fix the problem with samba. |
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| 01:24.30 | dondelelcaro | routeskeeper: well, then you're going to have to boot into single user mode, then stop samba from starting, then reboot. |
| 01:24.35 | routeskeeper | dondelelcaro: how to boot with init=/sbin/init, what key to press? |
| 01:24.41 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
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| 01:25.00 | dondelelcaro | routeskeeper: at the lilo prompt, enter <kernelname> init=/sbin/init 1; |
| 01:25.47 | jharrison | how to add to $PATH? |
| 01:25.50 | routeskeeper | dondelelcaro: thank you very much |
| 01:25.54 | jharrison | !path |
| 01:25.54 | dpkg | i guess path is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 01:26.11 | jharrison | hhmmm |
| 01:26.17 | jharrison | cant remember |
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| 01:26.56 | z36ra | cant get cadsoft eagle to run on sarge. can someone try it on potato for me? http://www.cadsoft.de/download.htm |
| 01:28.56 | z36ra | the windows version runs with wine but I have a lib problem with the linux version |
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| 01:30.28 | slara | exit |
| 01:31.08 | Guerin | potato? |
| 01:31.17 | z36ra | all i can find is that it wont work with newer libstdc++ lib. |
| 01:31.37 | Guerin | 2001 called, they want their software back |
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| 01:31.52 | mick_work | can someone tell me how i could extend my wifi network (my osx laptop won't go as far as my debian lappy) |
| 01:32.17 | Guerin | mick_work: got line-of-sight? |
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| 01:33.27 | z36ra | potato, potahtah... whatever |
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| 01:33.51 | eduardo | hi |
| 01:33.56 | z36ra | did i pronounce it wrong? |
| 01:34.41 | glick | i think it may be time to custom compile a debian kernel |
| 01:34.48 | mick_work | i'd like the osx box to use debian's wifi (i think thats called an adhoc network) |
| 01:34.48 | mick_work | to extend my wifi |
| 01:34.48 | mick_work | if that is possible |
| 01:34.48 | mick_work | Guerin, no |
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| 01:34.50 | Guerin | z36ra: good luck finding someone who runs potato, and is willing to insstall some random software on it. |
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| 01:35.24 | z36ra | insstall? |
| 01:35.30 | glick | im still using the 2.4 series |
| 01:35.35 | glick | pretty lame huh? |
| 01:35.43 | Guerin | my keyboard auto-repeats sometimes |
| 01:35.52 | Guerin | so shoot me |
| 01:35.59 | z36ra | likewise |
| 01:36.10 | z36ra | POW |
| 01:36.13 | rdancer | Guerin: kbdrate(8) |
| 01:36.25 | pipeline | michal_: ad-hoc networks can't be extended. |
| 01:36.42 | Guerin | Typematic Rate set to 10.9 cps (delay = 250 ms) |
| 01:36.45 | pipeline | err, mick_work: Ad-hoc networks can't be extended. |
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| 01:36.53 | z36ra | random my ass |
| 01:37.02 | mick_work | why was i kicked? |
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| 01:37.16 | mick_work | it says flood, but i didn't type anyting |
| 01:37.18 | Guerin | mick_work: flood |
| 01:37.19 | Xenguy | mick_work: you flooded, apparently |
| 01:37.27 | mick_work | strange |
| 01:37.41 | mick_work | what did i type? |
| 01:37.52 | Guerin | i'd paste it |
| 01:37.55 | rdancer | !tell mick_work about enter |
| 01:37.57 | Guerin | but I'd be kicked for flooding |
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| 01:38.29 | mick_work | rdancer, wtf is that about |
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| 01:38.52 | mick_work | i must have pasted something on accident and it didn't show |
| 01:39.04 | mick_work | well, on my screen anyhow |
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| 01:39.12 | rdancer | mick_work: 4 lines in a row == flood (or so) |
| 01:39.27 | Pepina | Xenguy, I was looking today , and noticed that too .... |
| 01:39.28 | mick_work | they weren't consecutively |
| 01:39.34 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.37 | Guerin | 10:34:49 < mick_work> to extend my wifi |
| 01:39.39 | Guerin | 10:34:49 < mick_work> if that is possible |
| 01:39.42 | Guerin | 10:34:49 < mick_work> Guerin, no |
| 01:39.42 | Guerin | gah |
| 01:39.44 | Guerin | 10:34:49 -!- mick_work was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood: Consider using |
| 01:39.46 | Xenguy | Pepina: you saw the /. article on wikis? |
| 01:39.47 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.57 | Guerin | that was preceded by /msg mick_work |
| 01:39.58 | Pepina | Xenguy, nop |
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| 01:40.04 | mick_work | ya |
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| 01:40.33 | mick_work | wow, that sucks |
| 01:40.36 | Xenguy | Pepina: mediawiki should be on the wishlist (or whatever it is called) |
| 01:40.52 | pipeline | mick_work: You can't extend ad-hoc networks, but if you have a prism2 chipset, you might be able to make the linux system an AP. |
| 01:40.59 | Pepina | Xenguy, can you give me the link to /. article ? or title ? |
| 01:41.13 | Guerin | Pepina: ffs, /. has a search function |
| 01:41.17 | mick_work | pipeline, i guess i was wrong about the name of it then |
| 01:41.29 | mick_work | how can i make it an AP? |
| 01:41.31 | Pepina | Guerin, what a polite reply, gracias :) |
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| 01:42.12 | Xenguy | Pepina: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/28/1952230&tid=95 |
| 01:42.21 | Xenguy | Pepina: and Guerin is correct :-) |
| 01:42.27 | mick_work | is the package called line-of-sight? or did he mean `line of sight` |
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| 01:42.51 | mick_work | the /. search sucks though |
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| 01:43.17 | Pepina | Xenguy,thanks, mick_work you are RIGHT! , results suck , and has nothing to do with your keywords :/ |
| 01:45.11 | Guerin | mick_work: no, I mean "can you see one point from the other. |
| 01:45.14 | Guerin | " |
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| 01:45.54 | Guerin | if you were having pure ditance issues, http://www.usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/ would be the site for you |
| 01:46.04 | sots | alguem dai comhece o bedi ? |
| 01:46.20 | Guerin | some nice pictures of my beloved Wellington, too |
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| 01:46.28 | sots | alguem dai comhece o bedi ? |
| 01:46.30 | Pepina | sots, cafe bitte :P |
| 01:46.33 | mick_work | well debian sees the accesspoint - the osx one barely sees it |
| 01:46.33 | Guerin | !br |
| 01:46.33 | dpkg | somebody said br was Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:48.12 | mick_work | it has to do with airport extreme sucking a lot |
| 01:49.33 | Pakal | how can I delete a CD-RW with cdrecord? |
| 01:49.59 | at386 | cdrecord dev=xxx blank=fast |
| 01:50.45 | Pakal | thanks |
| 01:50.51 | mick_work | these antennae look cool(like the satellite dish one) |
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| 01:51.34 | mick_work | but, i'm not going to make a pringles one, nor am i going to get on top of the house to play with the satellite dish and soder it to my wifi |
| 01:51.56 | mick_work | wifi router* |
| 01:52.56 | mick_work | i think that my wifi network *could* be extended by essentially "borrowing" the internet connection/ wifi signal |
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| 01:54.35 | toresbe | no, not 70. Between 30 and50 |
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| 01:54.48 | toresbe | It works fairly well. |
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| 01:55.15 | Guerin | if I didn't already have 24mbit, I'd get wifi and try to pull in a signal from the satellite base on the hill ~5km LOS away |
| 01:55.50 | Guerin | and login to irc as guerin@rok.army.mil |
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| 01:59.33 | mick_work | toresbe, want to bridge them? |
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| 02:02.00 | warchest | alright.. i have a dell latitude x300 and when i boot off the cd it cant detect my floppy/dvdr because there is no usb support in any of the debian install kernels |
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| 02:02.25 | warchest | where are boot disks for debian with usb support or documentation on how to make my own |
| 02:02.47 | Guerin | warchest: so? |
| 02:02.53 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:02.54 | bnoji_ | I'm apt-get upgrading for the first time in months... |
| 02:03.01 | Guerin | !custom netinst |
| 02:03.01 | bnoji_ | I wonder how much stuff is going to break... |
| 02:03.03 | dpkg | methinks roll your own iso is http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 02:03.04 | Guerin | !custom-netinst |
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| 02:03.21 | kbrooks | why cant i use the internet with a usb modem in debian sarge? |
| 02:03.30 | toresbe | mick_work: Yeah. |
| 02:03.36 | Guerin | !custom d-i |
| 02:03.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 02:03.41 | Guerin | there it is |
| 02:03.45 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: depends on your modem ... |
| 02:03.55 | toresbe | mick_work: There's a D-Link DI713-P plain 11mbps AP, with some nicieties |
| 02:03.59 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: many ppl will recommend an ethernet bodem if possible |
| 02:03.59 | bnoji_ | anyone know the status on the driver for that intel wifi chipset? |
| 02:04.12 | Guerin | warchest: why do you need usb during the install anyway? |
| 02:04.29 | toresbe | mick_work: And on the client side, my relatively new 3Com 54mbps AP |
| 02:04.31 | kbrooks | doubleh1, do I HAVE TO use ethernet for GNU/Linux |
| 02:04.53 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: USB modems need firmwares which are usually not compatible with the Debian policy ... thus, Debian moriros usually cant offer such drivers under GPL |
| 02:04.55 | bnoji_ | kbrooks: no |
| 02:05.20 | bnoji_ | 1m37s left until total destruction |
| 02:05.21 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: on the other hand, you usually can find an alternative driver for Linux on some other website .... |
| 02:05.23 | kbrooks | how can I find out about the drivers? |
| 02:05.25 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: what is your modem ? |
| 02:06.10 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: I can use a USB speedtouch 330 fine with my debian ... but the driver DO NOT come from debian site ... you need to install it manually |
| 02:06.18 | kbrooks | toshiba cable modem pcx2500 |
| 02:06.33 | doubleh1 | bnoji_: good luck ... I cross fingers for you |
| 02:06.47 | warchest | Guerin yeah to see my debian CD to install |
| 02:06.49 | badblody | doubleh1, how can you make it? |
| 02:06.53 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: lets google it .... |
| 02:06.59 | bnoji_ | doubleh1: I havent booted to linux in months because my schools online courseware requires IE |
| 02:07.02 | Guerin | warchest: is your cd external? |
| 02:07.07 | kbrooks | google doesnt give me any results |
| 02:07.13 | warchest | no its a docking laptop the dvd is on the dock |
| 02:07.14 | doubleh1 | bnoji_: my dear :( |
| 02:07.17 | bnoji_ | I have a few spare minutes tonight and I figured I would give it a shot |
| 02:07.26 | warchest | and the floppy is USB as well, so it wont detect it after i boot |
| 02:07.27 | bnoji_ | no errors so far |
| 02:07.36 | Guerin | warchest: ok, here's how I figure it: if you can boot off cd, you can install off cd. |
| 02:07.39 | bnoji_ | 286 upgraded 0 newly installed |
| 02:07.46 | warchest | Guerin yes i did as well, but it is not true |
| 02:08.05 | Guerin | warchest: don't worry about the floppy; once your install is complete you can change kernels. |
| 02:08.23 | warchest | i know that, but if i could get the floppy working i could install a usb driver to the install kernel. but the floppy is usb as well |
| 02:08.37 | bnoji_ | I just updated my server... |
| 02:08.38 | warchest | nic isnt detected for a netinstall either |
| 02:08.44 | bnoji_ | still had Apache 1.3 |
| 02:08.47 | Guerin | ah, and the dock is usb? |
| 02:08.53 | warchest | correct |
| 02:08.57 | Guerin | damn |
| 02:09.11 | Guerin | nothing wrong with apache 1.3 |
| 02:09.13 | warchest | Guerin google dell latitude x300 +debian ... heh.. world of shit getting them to work |
| 02:10.18 | bnoji_ | There's an article on /. right now about Tele-mersion at UC Berkeley |
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| 02:10.35 | bnoji_ | how they use cameras to transmit images to a virtual world... |
| 02:10.48 | bnoji_ | but this guy at MIT wrote a whole paper on the concept years ago |
| 02:10.53 | bnoji_ | its nothing new |
| 02:11.08 | Guerin | omg, /. behind the times? film at 11! |
| 02:11.25 | bnoji_ | heh |
| 02:11.27 | mick_work | where |
| 02:11.28 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: can you write C ? |
| 02:11.34 | bnoji_ | C |
| 02:11.42 | bnoji_ | I can write it in cursive too! |
| 02:11.47 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 02:12.02 | glick | has anyone gotten firewire drive to work in deb? |
| 02:12.09 | Guerin | yes, some people have |
| 02:12.11 | glick | cant find much on the internt |
| 02:12.16 | Guerin | read linux1394.org |
| 02:12.24 | nvz | what a short boring film that would be |
| 02:12.41 | bnoji_ | You know what was a pain to get working...USB Wifi when it first became available |
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| 02:13.00 | mboso | does sarge now ship with x.org? |
| 02:13.06 | bnoji_ | and Visor handsprings weren't too fun either |
| 02:13.10 | mick_work | i know one of the linux/firewire devs |
| 02:13.12 | somiaj | !topicsmite mboso |
| 02:13.12 | Guerin | !topicsmite mick_work |
| 02:13.12 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mboso. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:13.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mick_work. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:13.16 | Guerin | gah |
| 02:13.18 | bnoji_ | heh, no errors from this upgrade yet |
| 02:13.18 | mick_work | he used to work with me |
| 02:13.20 | Guerin | sorry mick_work |
| 02:13.23 | mboso | !topicsmite |
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| 02:13.37 | somiaj | Guerin: a double whammy would of been nice though....*evil grin* |
| 02:13.37 | mboso | !topic |
| 02:13.38 | bnoji_ | It's been so long, I even forgot this systems name... |
| 02:13.43 | somiaj | mboso: /topic |
| 02:13.48 | nvz | I havent dared to touch any usb networking equipment yet |
| 02:13.49 | mboso | :-) |
| 02:13.50 | mboso | thank you |
| 02:13.56 | doubleh1 | kbrooks: ? |
| 02:13.56 | bnoji_ | nvz: its easy now |
| 02:14.00 | yaarg | hum i cant seem to find what package installed cvspserver? |
| 02:14.03 | yaarg | i've removed cvs |
| 02:14.04 | bnoji_ | its was so unstable a while ago though |
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| 02:14.13 | Guerin | somiaj: >;[ |
| 02:14.13 | yaarg | and cvsutils.. |
| 02:14.20 | mick_work | damn idiots and their misguided tabcompletion |
| 02:14.20 | somiaj | !tell yaarg about search |
| 02:14.23 | yaarg | tried vsd |
| 02:14.26 | yaarg | somiaj: tried that |
| 02:14.32 | bnoji_ | I've been waiting on the Intel 2100 drivers to mature before I buy the internal card for my thinkpad |
| 02:14.43 | somiaj | yaarg: is that file on your computer now? |
| 02:14.45 | yaarg | somiaj: root@horza:/etc/init.d# apt-cache search cvspserver |
| 02:14.47 | yaarg | root@horza:/etc/init.d# |
| 02:14.52 | yaarg | yes |
| 02:14.55 | yaarg | shows up in nmap |
| 02:15.02 | somiaj | yaarg: dpkg -S <path to filename> |
| 02:15.02 | yaarg | no init.d entry |
| 02:15.25 | somiaj | yaarg: or just filename, if that doesn't return anything, then it didn't come in a debian package on your computer |
| 02:15.28 | yaarg | again nothing |
| 02:15.30 | Guerin | is it started out of inetd? |
| 02:15.53 | yaarg | Guerin: nope |
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| 02:18.05 | mainiac | Greetings all |
| 02:18.08 | bnoji_ | Misirlou: nope |
| 02:18.17 | bnoji_ | Misirlou: havent used anything in months |
| 02:18.26 | bnoji_ | I've been stuck in WinXP at work and at school |
| 02:18.31 | Misirlou | bnoji_: install apt-listbugs first :) |
| 02:18.36 | bnoji_ | no errors though |
| 02:18.38 | yaarg | hum removing xinetd sorted it but there wasn't any entry relating to it |
| 02:18.47 | bnoji_ | Misirlou: ive found it doesnt always work |
| 02:19.00 | bnoji_ | I had an issue a while ago with perl in a stupid loop |
| 02:19.18 | bnoji_ | actually, I've had those dependancy loops a few times |
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| 02:20.07 | doubleh1 | Misirlou: this pakage only report about _known_ bugs ... my pb is that I often discover _new_ ones :( |
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| 02:20.21 | bnoji_ | yup |
| 02:20.38 | bnoji_ | NO ERRORS!!! upgrade finished without a problem |
| 02:20.38 | Misirlou | well, the fewer bugs you encounter, the better :) |
| 02:20.55 | bnoji_ | 286 packages upgraded, no conflicts |
| 02:21.01 | debsargest | hello, i want to make a file that contains commands of konsole, and only with 1 clik on this file, commands will be executed |
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| 02:21.05 | debsargest | how i can do it? |
| 02:21.21 | bnoji_ | #!/bin/sh |
| 02:21.32 | bnoji_ | <konsole commands here? |
| 02:21.34 | bnoji_ | > |
| 02:21.38 | doubleh1 | bnoji_: which taste ? |
| 02:21.40 | Guerin | debsargest: go read the bash scripting howto at tldp.org |
| 02:21.41 | mainiac | any ideas on how I can install Java on Debian 3.0? I tried apt-get sun-j2sdk1.4debian and it fails |
| 02:21.45 | debsargest | but, in a file |
| 02:21.47 | bnoji_ | doubleh1: you mean sid? |
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| 02:21.58 | Guerin | mainiac: java.sun.com |
| 02:21.59 | debsargest | i put all commands ina file |
| 02:22.03 | debsargest | i put in desktop |
| 02:22.13 | debsargest | and with 1 click execute it |
| 02:22.20 | doubleh1 | bnoji_: no braken dep in SID ??? are you sure you dist-upgraded ? that is just impossible ^^ |
| 02:22.20 | Guerin | debsargest: go read the bash scripting howto at tldp.org |
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| 02:22.35 | bnoji_ | doubleh1: i didnt dist-upgrade |
| 02:22.38 | Guerin | doubleh1: it's not THAT bad |
| 02:22.42 | bnoji_ | i already did that, just an upgrade |
| 02:22.53 | mainiac | Guerin: tried that too. I downloaded the files but my system won't let me unpack them. says I don't have enough room, but I do |
| 02:23.11 | bnoji_ | if i dist-upgrade, it wants to install 29 new and upgrade 39 more |
| 02:23.24 | shwag | how do i set gnome to use a different window manager by default ? |
| 02:23.25 | Guerin | mainiac: how do you know? |
| 02:23.27 | bnoji_ | ill let it go and see what happens |
| 02:23.33 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 02:23.33 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gimp.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 02:23.47 | kbrooks | !boot |
| 02:23.47 | dpkg | it has been said that boot is what you get when you act like a EFNet user, or #debian-boot |
| 02:23.48 | bnoji_ | shwag: start your WM and run gnome-session |
| 02:23.49 | doubleh1 | shwag: GNome IS a window manager ... |
| 02:24.00 | bnoji_ | gnome is not a WM |
| 02:24.00 | Guerin | no, gnome is a DE |
| 02:24.06 | Guerin | metacity is a wm |
| 02:24.06 | kbrooks | DE? |
| 02:24.11 | Guerin | desktop environment |
| 02:24.19 | bnoji_ | you'll notice, Gnome does not affect your windows, only the content inside of them |
| 02:24.22 | abrotman | !de |
| 02:24.22 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 02:24.23 | doubleh1 | shwag: you hont ask that to gnome ... but to the appp which usually loads Gnome : gdm, kdm or xdm .... unless you use startx |
| 02:24.27 | abrotman | doh |
| 02:24.33 | kbrooks | then why does kde have kdm |
| 02:24.41 | shwag | doubleh1, how do I change the default wm that gdm launches ? |
| 02:24.47 | bnoji_ | in your .xinitrc you can add a line to start a different WM |
| 02:24.47 | abrotman | kdm is a login manager |
| 02:24.49 | shwag | doubleh1, btw...gnome isn't a wm. metacity is. |
| 02:24.52 | bnoji_ | and then run gnome-session |
| 02:24.53 | kbrooks | aah |
| 02:24.55 | Guerin | kbrooks: that's a display manager - it's neither a window manager nora desktop environment |
| 02:25.01 | shwag | bnoji_, i want it system wide though. |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | Guerin: just my imagination .. or has it been sunday all week? |
| 02:25.09 | Guerin | !system wide |
| 02:25.10 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 02:25.18 | kbrooks | Guerin, what does it do |
| 02:25.18 | Guerin | abrotman: all month, I thought |
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| 02:25.24 | shwag | dpkg, im the sys admin though... |
| 02:25.24 | dpkg | shwag: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:25.24 | Guerin | kbrooks: it manages a display |
| 02:25.26 | doubleh1 | shwag: there is a menu which affors a choice ... for next time .... for the times after, just tick "use previous one' |
| 02:25.30 | mainiac | Guerin: what i downloaded was a binary. when I run it, I see the eu agreement, accept it, then it says I don't have enough room to unpack it |
| 02:25.32 | bnoji_ | shwag: trying to force it system wide? |
| 02:25.39 | bnoji_ | or just set it as default? |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | shwag: so what .. you're users might be smarter than you |
| 02:25.41 | Guerin | shwag: so? Don't be a control freak. let your users choose. |
| 02:25.49 | shwag | doubleh1, i need it so the users get icewm. users are stupid. |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | !rootsmite shwag |
| 02:25.52 | Guerin | !apostrophesmite abrotman |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | Guerin: that's a homophone smite :) |
| 02:26.08 | muon | mainiac: try using the blackdown java packages |
| 02:26.13 | Guerin | true |
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| 02:26.28 | doubleh1 | shwag: I never used gdm for me, but I guess what you need shall be in /etc/gdm... |
| 02:26.41 | Guerin | mainiac: HOW DO YOU KNOW you have enough space on that partition? |
| 02:26.44 | bnoji_ | I usually apt-get remove gdm after installing |
| 02:26.46 | shwag | oh gees. its an office environment...do I really want to be called to the desk of a bunch of over 50 fat ladies five times a day because "everything looks different on their commputer now." |
| 02:26.47 | mainiac | when I 'df' on the file I get wierd results |
| 02:26.51 | kbrooks | rootsmite me :D |
| 02:26.53 | bnoji_ | display managers are useless |
| 02:26.55 | abrotman | shwag: watch it |
| 02:27.02 | kbrooks | !rootsmite kbrooks |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | shwag: one of those ladies might be here |
| 02:27.13 | ResidentMolester | if i want to try the sarge installer, which cd do i get |
| 02:27.13 | initech | bnoji_: why? |
| 02:27.16 | ResidentMolester | there are so many |
| 02:27.24 | ResidentMolester | 1-14 ! |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | !tell ResidentMolester about d-i |
| 02:27.29 | bnoji_ | initech: startx |
| 02:27.36 | shwag | abrotman, if you are an over 40 fat lady, then why would you be offended by me calling you an over 40 fat lady. |
| 02:27.40 | bnoji_ | ctrl-alt-Fx |
| 02:27.47 | mainiac | Guerin: this is the df result: /dev/hdb2 -579859622222 1 0 12% /var |
| 02:27.51 | abrotman | shwag: i'm not over forty or fat |
| 02:27.51 | initech | bnoji_: obviously you do are not responsible for systems other people use |
| 02:28.02 | Guerin | mainiac: why are you putting it in /var ? |
| 02:28.17 | bnoji_ | initech: I've done admin work using gdm |
| 02:28.33 | shwag | bnoji_, so how do I set a default wm |
| 02:28.35 | mainiac | Guerin: I needed someplace to download the file so I created /var/downloads and put it there |
| 02:28.43 | shwag | bnoji_, key word...default. |
| 02:28.43 | bnoji_ | shwag: ~/.xinitrc |
| 02:28.58 | bnoji_ | theres probably a default .xinitrc |
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| 02:29.01 | bnoji_ | cant remember where |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | shwag: update-alternatives |
| 02:29.08 | bnoji_ | its the one it uses when you dont have one |
| 02:29.13 | abrotman | shwag: /etc/alternatives |
| 02:29.14 | mainiac | I've also tried copying the file to /usr/local/java on hda1, but I get the same result |
| 02:29.21 | Guerin | mainiac: when you go to extract them, what's pwd ? |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | !kill java |
| 02:29.35 | abrotman | crushes? |
| 02:29.43 | Guerin | it IS a rusty dagger |
| 02:30.19 | mainiac | Guerin: I only downloaded one file ('j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin') and it required no pwd |
| 02:30.27 | Guerin | not password, pwd |
| 02:30.28 | mainiac | I'm su'd to root |
| 02:30.31 | Guerin | the current directory |
| 02:30.45 | abrotman | !pwd |
| 02:30.45 | dpkg | hmm... pwd is print current/working directory |
| 02:30.59 | bnoji_ | finishing up the dist-upgrade |
| 02:31.06 | bnoji_ | then im gonna watch Dawn of the Dead |
| 02:31.15 | mainiac | ok, I'm not sure what you are asking |
| 02:31.39 | Guerin | mainiac: just type pwd <enter> at your root prompt and paste it in |
| 02:31.53 | initech | bnoji_: so dm are useless since they save you the step of starting x manually? |
| 02:31.54 | doubleh1 | mainiac: do you want java for your system , or just for mozilla ? |
| 02:32.05 | mainiac | Guerin: /root |
| 02:32.08 | glick | the firewire drive should be on sda right? |
| 02:32.19 | doubleh1 | glick: or sdb ... |
| 02:32.25 | abrotman | glick: dmesg |
| 02:32.32 | mainiac | that's if I 'cd' first, is this what you wanted? |
| 02:32.35 | Guerin | mainiac: then it's possible that the .bin is trying to unpack into /root/j2re-foo-bar |
| 02:32.43 | doubleh1 | glick: you want to load the module sbp2, and look at syslog |
| 02:32.48 | Nyle | bnoji dawn of the dead kinda sucked |
| 02:32.48 | Guerin | mainiac: gah |
| 02:32.52 | Guerin | did I tell you to cd? |
| 02:32.58 | glick | doubleh1, yeah the module is loaded |
| 02:32.59 | Nyle | 28 days later i thought was much better |
| 02:33.00 | glick | was loaded auto |
| 02:33.03 | abrotman | !listen to Guerin |
| 02:33.10 | abrotman | glick: dmesg |
| 02:33.26 | Guerin | the new dawn of the dead is ok |
| 02:33.34 | mainiac | if that's the case /root doesn't have enough room, why would it be trying to do that? |
| 02:33.34 | bnoji_ | I just watched the new Jim Carey movie |
| 02:33.35 | Guerin | much better is Shaun of the Dead |
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| 02:33.40 | Guerin | !pity bnoji_ |
| 02:33.40 | bnoji_ | well, latest... |
| 02:33.41 | dpkg | I pity da fool bnoji_! |
| 02:33.41 | Nyle | yes it is |
| 02:33.43 | glick | scsi1 : SCSI emulation for IEEE-1394 SBP-2 Devices |
| 02:33.43 | glick | ieee1394: sbp2: Logged into SBP-2 device |
| 02:33.51 | bnoji_ | Eternal Sunshine... |
| 02:33.52 | initech | bnoji_: "spotless mind"? I loved that |
| 02:33.53 | glick | thats what my dmesg says |
| 02:33.55 | bnoji_ | I liked it |
| 02:34.05 | glick | and more but i dont want to flood the room |
| 02:34.06 | mainiac | especially when I cd to /var/downloads before I try to unpack it |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | glick: no device like sda or sdb? |
| 02:34.15 | abrotman | glick: use #flood |
| 02:34.23 | bnoji_ | yay. no errors on dist-upgrade! |
| 02:34.50 | glick | abrotman, no |
| 02:34.59 | bnoji_ | im all up to date, all my wifi scripts still work, sound works, X w/radeon mobility works. |
| 02:35.02 | glick | ill paste in flood |
| 02:35.50 | bnoji_ | I just need a version of Skype that works in linux |
| 02:36.06 | Guerin | bnoji_: like the version from skype.com? |
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| 02:36.40 | abrotman | Guerin: too obvious |
| 02:36.44 | Guerin | must be |
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| 02:37.11 | Guerin | especially the one which is statically compiled, so you don't need any libs to go with it |
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| 02:37.37 | Guerin | I don't trust skype |
| 02:37.45 | Guerin | I fear they're going to go the way of icq |
| 02:38.00 | kbrooks | HM? |
| 02:38.07 | kbrooks | what is skpe |
| 02:38.12 | abrotman | !skype |
| 02:38.17 | Guerin | !fgi kbrooks skype |
| 02:38.18 | dpkg | kbrooks: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=skype |
| 02:38.25 | kbrooks | :0 |
| 02:38.27 | kbrooks | :) |
| 02:38.28 | bnoji_ | heh, there was no linux version last time i used linux |
| 02:38.49 | bnoji_ | oooohhh, i hate Flash animations |
| 02:38.56 | bnoji_ | mozilla doesnt like them either |
| 02:39.21 | abrotman | glick: it's a firewire drive? |
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| 02:39.38 | Guerin | flash click-to-play is your friend |
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| 02:40.05 | abrotman | glick: it's a firewire drive? |
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| 02:40.11 | glick | abrotman, yeah, i had it working before in gentoo |
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| 02:40.17 | Fluten | whenever i do any commands, stuff like "invalid operand: 0000" is outputted on the screen |
| 02:40.25 | Fluten | and then there's a segmentation fault |
| 02:40.26 | abrotman | glick: can you unplug/replug it .. see if it adds more to dmes |
| 02:40.28 | abrotman | dmesg |
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| 02:40.33 | glick | abrotman, sure |
| 02:40.34 | Guerin | Fluten: any command? |
| 02:40.39 | Fluten | Guerin, yes |
| 02:40.44 | Fluten | Guerin, it won't let me login either |
| 02:40.46 | abrotman | Fluten: use 0001 |
| 02:40.47 | Guerin | Fluten: how's your ram usage? |
| 02:40.55 | Guerin | oh, this is on a clean boot? |
| 02:41.03 | glick | abrotman, ill type what it says when i unplug it in flood |
| 02:41.05 | Fluten | yes |
| 02:41.12 | abrotman | glick: yes .. use #flood |
| 02:41.13 | Fluten | right after an install |
| 02:41.34 | bnoji_ | I cant wait to try skype in linux |
| 02:41.40 | Guerin | something's very fucked. Segfaults normally mean fucked ram. |
| 02:42.03 | Fluten | memtest86? |
| 02:42.07 | Guerin | yes. |
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| 02:42.22 | Fluten | does it take a long time? |
| 02:42.25 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:42.36 | Guerin | ~24 hours is usual |
| 02:42.37 | apt | Guerin: okay |
| 02:42.42 | Guerin | damnit |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | depeding on the amount of ram |
| 02:42.46 | initech | Guerin: usually segfaults are broken libs/dependencies ... ram errors are rarer |
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| 02:42.48 | Guerin | ~forget 24 hours |
| 02:42.48 | apt | i forgot 24 hours, Guerin |
| 02:42.59 | abrotman | if you only have 4MB .. it will only take 10 minutes |
| 02:43.02 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:43.08 | Fluten | i'll try hitting the reset button, and see if that helps |
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| 02:43.10 | Guerin | yeah, a fucked libc can do it too |
| 02:43.12 | Rakeleer | is there a network monitor for Debian that works better than nagios? I'm sicking of fighting with this busted-ass package. |
| 02:43.42 | Fluten | heh, it outputs those messages every time i do ctrl-alt-del too |
| 02:43.43 | initech | Rakeleer: in stable? |
| 02:43.48 | Rakeleer | in anything |
| 02:43.57 | Guerin | Fluten: the fact that it installed without complaint does suggest that your hardware isn't entirely screwed |
| 02:44.16 | initech | Rakeleer: what's busted? it's a bear to set up |
| 02:44.26 | warchest | Can i boot off of a floppy then run the base-install part of the script on the cdrom to install debian? |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | glick: are there any scsi devices? |
| 02:44.38 | abrotman | glick: or did you try loading the scsi driver? |
| 02:44.40 | glick | abrotman, no |
| 02:44.43 | glick | itsa laptop |
| 02:44.52 | abrotman | glick: but aren't firewire devices scsi? |
| 02:44.52 | bnoji_ | yay, Skype works well |
| 02:45.01 | initech | Rakeleer: we use "big brother" at work, but i would rather nagios. BB sucks |
| 02:45.21 | glick | abrotman, i think they use the scsi emulation, so you can access them through scsi devices nodes |
| 02:45.35 | abrotman | glick: but do you ahve any scsi modules loaded? |
| 02:45.56 | bnoji_ | :( I forgot. the wlan usb drivers i have dont like WEP |
| 02:46.09 | bnoji_ | I need at least 64bit WEP to get on the schools wifi net |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | glick: try `modprobe sd_mod` and `modprobe sg` |
| 02:46.24 | Rakeleer | initech: I had it all set up on Mandrake, then spent 3 hours transferring things into the Debian way, my plugins won't work in the stable version, and the unstable version has things specified one way in the init script, and another way in the nagios.cfg (/var/cache and /var/log) .... Statusmap doesn't seem to want to use extended host info. I've about had it. |
| 02:46.30 | abrotman | glick: then unplug/replug again |
| 02:46.57 | Fluten | it's rebooted now, and working fine |
| 02:47.19 | glick | abrotman, the scsi mods i have loaded are sd_mod, ide-scsi, and scsi_mod |
| 02:47.41 | abrotman | glick: don't you also need sg? |
| 02:47.48 | glick | and now i also included sg |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | did you try that? |
| 02:47.53 | glick | that was not loaded before |
| 02:48.15 | Fluten | http://www.flooda.us/main/panick |
| 02:48.20 | abrotman | !find sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 02:48.25 | Fluten | that's the output from /var/log/messages, so was it maybe memory related? |
| 02:48.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh' (1 shown): (/sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh) in utils/scsitools. |
| 02:48.33 | glick | abrotman, no such script exists on my system |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | glick: sarge? |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | !find sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh sarge |
| 02:49.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh' (1 shown): (/sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh) in utils/scsitools. |
| 02:49.32 | glick | abrotman, yeah |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | install scsitools |
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| 02:49.49 | abrotman | http://www.linux1394.org/sbp2.php |
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| 02:52.02 | glick | hmm scsi device found |
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| 02:52.16 | glick | Maxtor 6 model: YP200P0 |
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| 02:52.57 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | now what? |
| 02:53.07 | abrotman | oh .. dmesg |
| 02:53.11 | abrotman | see what scsi device it is |
| 02:53.13 | glick | hmm now it sees it when i do fdisk /dev/sda |
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| 02:53.27 | abrotman | yippee skippee |
| 02:53.36 | glick | heh thanks abrotman |
| 02:53.41 | abrotman | no problem |
| 02:53.46 | glick | abrotman, but i dont get why it didnt do it before |
| 02:53.54 | glick | maybe cause of sg? |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | glick: it's possible |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | you didn't try that rescan script? |
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| 03:00.46 | abrotman | !quiet |
| 03:02.50 | simonrvn | dpkg: stfu |
| 03:02.51 | dpkg | i guess stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
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| 03:03.07 | vitriol | are there any prepackaged debs to get support for my atheros based 802.11g card? |
| 03:03.15 | vitriol | or should i just install madwifi drivers from source..... |
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| 03:06.54 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:06.57 | Guerin | http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/GFDL_DFSG_solution.txt |
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| 03:08.00 | abrotman | vitriol: basically only madwifi or prism54.org afaik .. and i don't think either are packaged |
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| 03:18.54 | vitriol | abrotman, ok thanks |
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| 03:23.43 | mboso | anyone here who uses x.org see a notable difference? |
| 03:23.53 | abrotman | xorg is not in debian |
| 03:24.12 | epictetus | yeah, it uses xorg.conf instead of XF86Config |
| 03:24.20 | mboso | i know, i mean from source |
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| 03:24.21 | epictetus | and doesnt have as many drivers, I don't think |
| 03:24.24 | epictetus | other than that, identical |
| 03:24.35 | abrotman | who uses chips :) |
| 03:24.54 | mboso | oh. that's disappointing. |
| 03:25.10 | epictetus | the nvidia driver works with it |
| 03:25.14 | zinx | abrotman: people who like thin snacks? |
| 03:25.19 | Guerin | !get xorg |
| 03:25.19 | dpkg | get xorg is, like, see http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. If you whine about your xorg problems in #debian, we will show no mercy. |
| 03:25.22 | abrotman | zinx: the x driver :) |
| 03:25.59 | Guerin | why does evilution not pipe my messages to spamc like I tell it to? |
| 03:26.10 | abrotman | you're telling it wrong? |
| 03:26.17 | epictetus | it's crap |
| 03:26.31 | ElectricElf | Okay, that should be enough then. |
| 03:26.33 | Guerin | pipe to command: spamc -d hostname |
| 03:26.38 | ElectricElf | Oops, wrong window. |
| 03:26.40 | ElectricElf | (Hi though. :) |
| 03:26.45 | Guerin | cat message |spamc -hostname works fine |
| 03:26.49 | Guerin | ehh |
| 03:26.52 | Guerin | -d hostname |
| 03:26.59 | abrotman | ElectricElf: nice to see you again :) |
| 03:27.03 | ElectricElf | abrotman: :) |
| 03:27.11 | abrotman | he just spams us and runs :) |
| 03:27.27 | Guerin | need to pipe all his text through spac as well |
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| 03:28.28 | Guerin | I think it must be because evilution is in fact crap |
| 03:28.36 | abrotman | so why are you using it? |
| 03:29.08 | Guerin | because I don't know how to set up mutt to handle multiple imap and pop acctound, and I haven't been arsed learning |
| 03:29.22 | abrotman | then use evolution |
| 03:29.23 | Guerin | and all other MUAs are more crap than evo |
| 03:29.35 | tvn | what's the proper way for USB mouse support in kernel 2.6 ? what module needs to load ? |
| 03:29.48 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 03:29.48 | Guerin | tvn: usbhid |
| 03:29.51 | dpkg | from memory, 2.6 mouse is http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
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| 03:34.26 | siimo | what pkgs does the sarge-i386-netinst.iso cd have vs sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 03:35.04 | abrotman | siimo: a base system |
| 03:35.18 | simonrvn | do we look like www.debian.org? :) |
| 03:35.37 | siimo | even i can read that from the cd page :| |
| 03:35.46 | zinx | simonrvn: apparently, we look like a whole lot of things :) |
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| 03:36.07 | simonrvn | zinx: some people need new glasses (including me) |
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| 03:36.26 | abrotman | siimo: if your nic doesn't work .. the netinst still gives you a base system .. buscard does not |
| 03:36.38 | warchest | Where can you get the source tree for the flavored kernels used to make _any_ boot disk? I've been at this for hours |
| 03:36.57 | abrotman | warchest: what do you mean? |
| 03:37.13 | simonrvn | warchest: hold on a sec, i asked that #debian-boot the other day... |
| 03:37.28 | warchest | debian wont install because none of the install kernels support my usb dvd drive. so it boots off the cd then cant see it. i want a disk with usb support so i can mount the dvd drive and install the base system |
| 03:37.28 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're wierd |
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| 03:37.33 | warchest | i've been trying to install this for 4 days |
| 03:37.38 | abrotman | warchest: oh ... |
| 03:37.42 | abrotman | you need a custom kernel |
| 03:37.46 | abrotman | warchest: it's in the install guide |
| 03:37.47 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:37.48 | dpkg | somebody said ig was for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual; sarge: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/; sid: /msg dpkg iyhtays. |
| 03:37.53 | simonrvn | abrotman: i needed a kernel and some of the module udebs |
| 03:37.58 | abrotman | warchest: you did try linux26? |
| 03:38.02 | Guerin | !custom d-i |
| 03:38.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
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| 03:38.10 | warchest | abrotman no |
| 03:38.15 | Guerin | warchest: I already sent you to that ^^ page |
| 03:38.20 | warchest | i just want any boot disk with usb support and i cant make a boot disk |
| 03:38.22 | abrotman | warchest: no what? |
| 03:38.27 | abrotman | you need a custom isntall cd |
| 03:38.32 | warchest | none of the .configs will compile with my kernel source tree. they used a modified source tree |
| 03:38.38 | abrotman | or don't believe me .. and spend 4 more days dong it |
| 03:38.44 | warchest | no i believe you |
| 03:38.46 | warchest | i already knew that |
| 03:38.49 | warchest | but i cannot get it working |
| 03:38.53 | abrotman | warchest: you don't need thiers |
| 03:38.54 | warchest | i've read the sites, googled the shit out of it |
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| 03:38.59 | abrotman | make your own .. replace the kernel on the CD |
| 03:39.10 | warchest | i do not know what is needed to make a system _barely_ boot up |
| 03:39.19 | warchest | i've never made a config from scratch |
| 03:39.22 | abrotman | warchest: you're only replacing the kernel/modules |
| 03:39.36 | kurapikats | can someone recommend a good book (php for beginners) thanks |
| 03:39.41 | warchest | yes but on a 1.44MB floppy i'm limited to the number of oopses i can make and the kernel becomes too big |
| 03:39.44 | abrotman | kurapikats: php.net |
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| 03:40.01 | abrotman | warchest: put it on the cd |
| 03:40.07 | warchest | no burner |
| 03:40.12 | warchest | need disks |
| 03:40.17 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 03:40.18 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 03:40.19 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:40.29 | abrotman | warchest: then replace the kernel on the floppy |
| 03:40.51 | simonrvn | warchest: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-kernel-di-$ARCH/ |
| 03:40.55 | warchest | Argh! I know! I cant! i need a config for a base kernel |
| 03:41.06 | simonrvn | there's all kinds of udebs there |
| 03:41.20 | kurapikats | can someone tell me if theres a web to download a free oreilly books? for php... |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | simonrvn: he needs a custom floppy with the kernel he needs |
| 03:41.34 | abrotman | usb built in |
| 03:41.36 | simonrvn | i see |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | they really shold build that in |
| 03:41.58 | warchest | no kidding |
| 03:42.10 | warchest | i'm probably going to leave that laptop for a few months with nothing on it til support comes out |
| 03:42.17 | warchest | because this making a boot disk isnt coming to me |
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| 03:42.21 | simonrvn | and bloat the kernels even more? heh |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: but you can't instal lon lots of stuff without it |
| 03:42.37 | warchest | all the sites out there explaining how to install on the x300 are just like "make a boot disk with usb and there you go" |
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| 03:45.26 | kurapikats | can a linux system print from a share printer on an windows os? |
| 03:45.33 | Guerin | warchest: take the HDD out and put it into a computer with some decent I/O |
| 03:45.42 | Guerin | kurapikats: yes |
| 03:46.47 | rapha3l | <rapha3l> can someone tell me how to get my us_intl keyboard layout back ? ( i've got the us layout now ) |
| 03:46.52 | caskey | kurapikats: re: oreilly books, tons are available at safari.oreilly.com |
| 03:46.58 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 03:46.58 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 03:47.15 | rapha3l | sure ? |
| 03:47.22 | kurapikats | Guerin: how what should i read to know how to print on a share windows printer |
| 03:47.30 | warchest | Guerin i'm not parting a new laptop |
| 03:47.39 | warchest | i found the boot-floppies package on accident on debians ftp |
| 03:47.43 | warchest | this should have all the source.. finally |
| 03:47.56 | mainiac | why is df f'd up??? it used to work, but now reports garbage? |
| 03:48.00 | rapha3l | abrotman, keymap is for console |
| 03:48.07 | rapha3l | setxkbmap is for X |
| 03:48.15 | rapha3l | but it doesn't solve the pb |
| 03:48.16 | rapha3l | ^^ |
| 03:48.31 | Guerin | kurapikats: use samba or ipp |
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| 03:49.14 | rapha3l | :/ |
| 03:49.22 | Guerin | warchest: you can take the hdd out without damagine it, you know. Take it out, put it in another machine, install debian, put it back in, have a beer |
| 03:49.22 | warchest | no it doesnt have it |
| 03:49.32 | warchest | Guerin i have no adapter |
| 03:49.40 | warchest | wait |
| 03:49.44 | warchest | what kind of hdd is it |
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| 03:49.45 | warchest | hrm |
| 03:49.56 | abrotman | bit too fast :) |
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| 03:50.24 | Faithful | Hi guys, what's the deal with no rc.local in debian sarge??? what should I do instead to run a script at boot time? |
| 03:50.29 | Guerin | !rc.local |
| 03:50.29 | dpkg | it has been said that rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
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| 03:51.06 | warchest | i just put an entry in the correct runlevels for K80cust and have it /etc/rc.local |
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| 03:51.51 | Faithful | Thanks Guerin |
| 03:52.18 | kurapikats | why do i have to run the 'source .bashrc' everytime i want the settings... how can i automate it? |
| 03:52.30 | abrotman | !.bashrc |
| 03:52.36 | abrotman | !bashrc |
| 03:52.36 | dpkg | well, ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
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| 03:53.50 | kurapikats | dpkg: thanks |
| 03:53.50 | dpkg | kurapikats: my pleasure |
| 03:53.57 | warchest | If i remove the HD from my laptop, are they standard ide/serial hds? |
| 03:54.17 | abrotman | not really |
| 03:54.21 | abrotman | you need an adapter |
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| 03:55.05 | kenboo | warchest, adapter is about $5. i have two here :) |
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| 03:55.20 | warchest | yeah well i'm completley tired of dealing with it |
| 03:55.21 | coywolf | can i creat symbolic links on vfat fs? |
| 03:55.27 | abrotman | simonrvn: i'm still voting for them to add usb into the kernel on that d-i |
| 03:55.31 | warchest | by the time i go to bed tonight if its not working i'm getting rid of it |
| 03:55.38 | abrotman | coywolf: vfat does NOT support links |
| 03:55.52 | abrotman | warchest: the laptop? |
| 03:55.55 | coywolf | abrotman, how to work arround? |
| 03:55.56 | warchest | yeah |
| 03:56.01 | warchest | i dont want it for anything else |
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| 03:56.15 | abrotman | warchest: hmmm how about woody then upgrade to sarge? |
| 03:56.17 | warchest | i just wanted to set it up to play with wireless so i got it and it wont take debian |
| 03:56.23 | abrotman | coywolf: vfat does NOT support links |
| 03:56.28 | tnks | hey guys. . . make-kpkg should work with a non-Debian kernel source. . . right (like the tree downloaded from kernel.org)? |
| 03:56.29 | warchest | i cant get anything installed man |
| 03:56.33 | simonrvn | abrotman: spoiled people shouldn't whine ;). try floppy </bleh> |
| 03:56.37 | abrotman | i thought you could use floppies |
| 03:56.49 | warchest | if i could find a floppy with usb support or figure out how the fuck to make one |
| 03:56.52 | warchest | been at that for a few hours |
| 03:56.53 | warchest | no luck |
| 03:56.53 | abrotman | simonrvn: but really . stuff like blades etc have usb cd/floppy |
| 03:57.04 | abrotman | warchest: your floppy drive is usb too? |
| 03:57.05 | coywolf | abrotman, what should i do? i am using busybox |
| 03:57.12 | abrotman | coywolf: nfc |
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| 03:57.27 | warchest | coywolf yes |
| 03:57.37 | abrotman | warchest: me? |
| 03:57.41 | warchest | but if i boot off a kernel with usb support then its fine.. so if i made a custom floppy with usb support it'd work |
| 03:57.42 | simonrvn | yeh, so? there's stuff to install via usb stick drive or whatever you can that. |
| 03:57.52 | warchest | dont have one |
| 03:57.54 | abrotman | warchest: so why not install woody with floppies(hiopefully ) .. then upgrade to sarge |
| 03:58.00 | warchest | i have a laptop, a usb dvd, a usb floppy |
| 03:58.09 | warchest | how many floppies would that be? |
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| 03:58.15 | abrotman | simonrvn: see .. that's why |
| 03:58.29 | coywolf | abrotman, does vfat support hardlink? |
| 03:58.32 | warchest | how many floppies is a netinstall i wonder |
| 03:58.37 | warchest | oh wait.. it doesnt see my nic. hah |
| 03:58.40 | abrotman | coywolf: vfat is a piece of shit .. and as i said ... |
| 03:58.46 | abrotman | coywolf: vfat does NOT support links |
| 03:58.49 | abrotman | of ANY kind |
| 03:58.50 | simonrvn | my point is that a) it's not impossible b) there's probably stuff there to do it already but didn,t see it for whatever reason. you're not bloody likely to get me to care either way |
| 03:58.57 | coywolf | abrotman, how about ntfs? |
| 03:59.10 | abrotman | coywolf: i don't have a fucking idea .. stop using MS filesystems |
| 03:59.17 | warchest | simonrvn : well i've been reading on it a good many days and i know its not impossible. i lack the hardware for the easy solutions |
| 03:59.27 | coywolf | abrotman, i need windows pc to read it |
| 03:59.32 | warchest | and the software ones i cannot find documentation to the degree to accomplish what i want |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | coywolf: so use ext2 |
| 03:59.43 | vitriol | anyone having issues with sarge's firefox deb and flash? |
| 03:59.50 | vitriol | whenever i try to use flash in firefox, it closes |
| 03:59.54 | simonrvn | #debian-boot. ask there |
| 03:59.58 | vitriol | on two different boxes |
| 04:00.05 | abrotman | warchest: ask #debian-boot .. |
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| 04:01.03 | guestish | hi |
| 04:01.07 | guestish | this new monitor is sick |
| 04:01.17 | Dashiva | shoot it |
| 04:01.21 | abrotman | guestish: meds! |
| 04:01.31 | guestish | abrotman: slang |
| 04:01.36 | guestish | !slang |
| 04:01.38 | guestish | slang!! |
| 04:01.41 | abrotman | !sing |
| 04:01.41 | dpkg | Daisy, daisy, give me your answer do... |
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| 04:03.17 | juanjose | hi |
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| 04:03.29 | abrotman | no and then |
| 04:03.53 | guestish | abrotman: dont you know the answer is always no? :) |
| 04:03.55 | juanjose | I have this problem with sarge, mozilla freezes each time I type anything into it |
| 04:03.58 | coywolf | anyone uses busybox? what fs should i use with busybox? |
| 04:03.59 | abrotman | no and then |
| 04:04.08 | abrotman | !busybox |
| 04:04.16 | abrotman | try #busybox maybe? |
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| 04:04.48 | abrotman | if there were one .. it would be even better :) |
| 04:04.49 | juanjose | coywolf, it should support ext2 |
| 04:04.58 | juanjose | which you can later convert to ext3 |
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| 04:06.27 | ducky | juanjose tune2fs -j /dev/whatever |
| 04:06.38 | bonez39 | apt ext2 > ext3 with journal |
| 04:06.40 | ducky | then change /etc/fstab |
| 04:06.56 | ducky | change ext2 to ext3 |
| 04:06.57 | bonez39 | ducky: that adds journaling? is that it pretty much? |
| 04:07.01 | juanjose | coywolf, actually it can just mkfs.minix |
| 04:07.09 | ducky | yea |
| 04:07.42 | bonez39 | the /dev/whatever..that would be the drive you are changing..right? |
| 04:07.43 | coywolf | juanjose, i want to use vfat with it |
| 04:07.51 | juanjose | mkfs? |
| 04:07.55 | abrotman | vfat DOES NOT SUPPORT LINKS |
| 04:08.04 | ducky | right for ex /dev/hda1 |
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| 04:08.13 | abrotman | !ext2->ext3 |
| 04:08.16 | abrotman | grr |
| 04:08.18 | abrotman | stupid dpkg |
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| 04:09.14 | toggle | How can I sort through installed packages only? |
| 04:09.27 | abrotman | dpkg -l |
| 04:09.27 | dpkg | no idea, abrotman |
| 04:09.32 | abrotman | dpkg: shut up |
| 04:09.33 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 04:10.06 | toggle | lol. |
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| 04:12.34 | michal_ | is jedit capable of displaying anti-aliased fonts? |
| 04:12.36 | Dashiva | any way to change the defaul mouse speed in X...it's really fast and reverts whenever I load a game |
| 04:12.46 | abrotman | michal_: #jedit |
| 04:12.47 | glick | excuse me how come whenever i mount my firewire drive i cant change the permisions of the directory so that i can read the contentes of the directory as regular user? |
| 04:12.48 | streuner | abrotman: are you at work? |
| 04:13.02 | glick | and when i try to change the group ownership of the directory i get operation not permitted |
| 04:13.05 | abrotman | streuner: EST .. hell no |
| 04:13.12 | abrotman | streuner: why? |
| 04:13.24 | abrotman | glick: man mount |
| 04:13.34 | streuner | abrotman: just interessed... |
| 04:13.54 | abrotman | streuner: nah .. i'm est .. went to mall .. then dinner .. finally home |
| 04:14.13 | glick | the mount man page is 1400 lines long |
| 04:14.29 | glick | cant any someone just tell me if they know the anser off the top of their head |
| 04:14.30 | abrotman | how do you know? |
| 04:14.35 | abrotman | !ntfs |
| 04:14.35 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/ has patches against 2.4.20 of the backport of the 2.5.X ntfs [ntfs-tng] allowing overwrite without changing filesize. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to acces the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/ntfs |
| 04:15.01 | abrotman | that's not right |
| 04:15.03 | guestish | heh |
| 04:15.08 | guestish | is ntfs really unix like? |
| 04:15.21 | abrotman | well .. it has permissions :) |
| 04:15.33 | guestish | lol |
| 04:15.36 | guestish | it has like 7 |
| 04:15.40 | guestish | and they all suck |
| 04:16.00 | guestish | :) |
| 04:16.16 | abrotman | glick: did you mount it with the 'user' option? |
| 04:16.24 | sasav | it has links |
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| 04:16.37 | glick | abrotman, no i didnt |
| 04:16.44 | guestish | if its so unix like why cant anything write to it? |
| 04:16.48 | glick | i also cant unmount the device |
| 04:16.49 | abrotman | if i'm understanding your question .. i thnik that's what you want |
| 04:16.56 | glick | its pissin me off |
| 04:17.00 | abrotman | glick: why not? |
| 04:17.05 | abrotman | glick: you have to get out of the directory |
| 04:17.09 | glick | keep getting device is busy |
| 04:17.13 | glick | i am out of the directory |
| 04:17.17 | abrotman | fuser , lsof |
| 04:17.30 | michal_ | is it normal for apt to take ages to install or remove tiny applications? |
| 04:17.33 | nvz | yee haw.. I fixed the irssi theme so I can see all nicks no matter what color bg I use.. |
| 04:17.39 | simonrvn | cd out of the dir, make sure any and all shells aren't using it, mount -l /foo |
| 04:17.43 | Guerin | umount -l |
| 04:17.45 | simonrvn | uh umount -l /foo |
| 04:17.48 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:17.49 | simonrvn | Guerin: :) |
| 04:17.54 | Guerin | heh, great minds |
| 04:18.02 | simonrvn | GMAFTA |
| 04:18.14 | Guerin | !gmafta |
| 04:18.14 | dpkg | Great Minds and Fools Think Alike |
| 04:18.18 | guestish | !lsof |
| 04:18.18 | dpkg | [lsof] LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof-2.2 |
| 04:18.37 | nvz | made everyone's nick a brighter shade.. but allows me to see the new people in gray now which shows up on black or white terminals |
| 04:18.43 | Guerin | heh, my maths teacher used to say that great minds think alike; dumb minds think the same |
| 04:18.44 | simonrvn | !lsof =~ s/-2.2// |
| 04:18.44 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 04:18.50 | toggle | how can I umount usr and ckfs it? |
| 04:19.09 | abrotman | nvz: deeper shade of soul |
| 04:19.16 | simonrvn | Guerin: nice |
| 04:19.19 | nvz | bah |
| 04:19.29 | nvz | thats not good |
| 04:19.31 | glick | yeah i mounted it with the user option |
| 04:19.39 | glick | still no permission to access it |
| 04:20.01 | toggle | Is it in your fstab? |
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| 04:20.02 | nvz | when you talk to me you turn bright red.. now bright red means two different things |
| 04:20.11 | glick | toggle, no its not |
| 04:20.14 | nvz | got to change that now too |
| 04:20.24 | glick | im just doing mount -o user /dev/sda1 /media/usbdrive |
| 04:21.01 | Guerin | ah, I'm trying to figure out how I patched the debian mutt source last time without it freaking out at me |
| 04:21.05 | trailertrash | glick rw? |
| 04:21.35 | glick | trailertrash, same thing |
| 04:21.35 | mwilson | Guerin: Patched it to do what? |
| 04:21.40 | glick | im just doing mount -o user,rw /dev/sda1 /media/usbdrive |
| 04:21.43 | Guerin | mwilson: sidebar |
| 04:21.45 | glick | gives same thing |
| 04:21.55 | mwilson | Guerin: Ah... I've looked at that patch a couple of times. |
| 04:22.00 | mwilson | Guerin: Usable? |
| 04:22.10 | Guerin | mwilson: I got it patched and built, but then I deleted the source dir in a fit of cleanliness |
| 04:22.22 | Guerin | I don't know, I never got around to actually using it |
| 04:22.23 | mwilson | Guerin: sshot? I'd like to see. |
| 04:22.50 | trailertrash | glick, i believe copying to home directory will give them your permissions |
| 04:22.52 | Guerin | there's a shot on the author's page |
| 04:22.55 | Guerin | http://vorlon.cwru.edu/~jrh29/mutt/mutt_shot_patch8.png |
| 04:23.32 | mwilson | In OS X... I always thought that was amusing. :) |
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| 04:23.49 | mwilson | wow... no dinstall run today? |
| 04:23.54 | trailertrash | glick, look into trying chown and chmod |
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| 04:24.13 | glick | trailertrash, yeah i tried that but it wont let me do it |
| 04:24.15 | Guerin | I did debian/rules diff to incorporate all the patches into one big one, but now I can't remember how to get it to build with just that big patch plus the sidebar patch |
| 04:24.16 | glick | not even as root |
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| 04:24.49 | mwilson | What build system does the Debian mutt use? It's very patched, I remember that. |
| 04:24.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: wow, neat patch |
| 04:25.10 | abrotman | glick: user,defaults,noaut |
| 04:25.14 | abrotman | glick: user,defaults,noauto |
| 04:25.20 | Guerin | I don't know what it uses, really. |
| 04:25.22 | simonrvn | Guerin: add it to debian/patches dir ? is there one? |
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| 04:25.39 | simonrvn | it moved to cdbs recently i think |
| 04:25.43 | Voot | hi all |
| 04:25.52 | glick | the partition is a fat32 partiton |
| 04:25.59 | Guerin | yeah, it fails. seems to conflict with some of the other paches - there are about a dezeon in debian/patches and then a dozen more in the upstream tarball |
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| 04:26.07 | glick | when i try to mount a ext2 partition the permissions are fine |
| 04:26.09 | Guerin | s/dezeon/dozen/ |
| 04:26.15 | guestish | why is everything so patched in debian? |
| 04:26.33 | simonrvn | Guerin: well you'll need to see what part of the code it modifies, and try to fit it in |
| 04:26.37 | abrotman | guestish: becasuse we're anal? |
| 04:26.48 | abrotman | glick: user,defaults,noauto |
| 04:26.55 | kevinz | hello, i need to read newsgroup but my sarge does not seem to have one software for that. can anyone give some suggestion? |
| 04:26.58 | abrotman | glick: i use that for vfat for my camera .. works fine |
| 04:27.08 | simonrvn | guestish: ogten debian patches make it into the upstream source, so they gotta be doing *something* right |
| 04:27.08 | abrotman | kevinz: gui or cli? |
| 04:27.13 | simonrvn | often* |
| 04:27.18 | sasav | try this in fstab: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat rw,noauto,user 1 2 |
| 04:27.22 | guestish | simonrvn: eh, works for me :) |
| 04:27.26 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:27.28 | glick | abrotman, nope i get access denied for everyone accept root |
| 04:27.30 | kevinz | gui first :) |
| 04:27.30 | Guerin | simonrvn: I did it last time by just being clever about the debian/rules commands... peterS talked me through it, but I can't remember exactly what I did |
| 04:27.32 | nevyn | is there an apache guru in the house? |
| 04:27.38 | abrotman | kevinz: mozilla or pan |
| 04:27.38 | nevyn | I'm having a small problem configuring cgi access ... |
| 04:27.42 | simonrvn | #apache |
| 04:27.43 | nevyn | the script works in the cgi-bin dir but not in a users home directory |
| 04:27.45 | Guerin | maybe I'll go grep through irclogs... |
| 04:27.49 | glick | mount -t vfat -o user,defaults,noauto /dev/sda1 /media/usbdrive/ |
| 04:27.51 | nevyn | I get an error about incomplete headers. |
| 04:27.53 | glick | thats the command i use |
| 04:27.54 | Voot | anyone know why a debian 3.1 w/ kernel 2.6.7 might have a slow network problem? i.e.: it's slow in accessing web pages, and apache loads pages slowly, and gnump3 streams mp3s horrible...my netowrking must be screwed up...anyone know what MIGHT be causing my trouble? |
| 04:27.59 | kevinz | abrotman: ah, ok, thanks |
| 04:28.02 | abrotman | glick: and it doesn't work? as a user? |
| 04:28.03 | mwilson | hm, I was hoping to see what Mouette had screwed up in fontconfig this time tonight... I guess not. |
| 04:28.04 | glick | and the file system is fat32 |
| 04:28.21 | simonrvn | nevyn: usually means file perms or lack of them |
| 04:28.25 | glick | abrotman, nope, but if i mount a ext2 partition on the same disk, the the permissions are fine and i can access it as a regular user |
| 04:28.26 | nevyn | and I know it's not a permissions thing. |
| 04:28.30 | toggle | soups on |
| 04:28.31 | simonrvn | nevyn: error log says what? |
| 04:28.37 | nevyn | simonrvn: the script executes |
| 04:28.43 | trailertrash | glick, pmount might work, haven't tried yet though |
| 04:29.05 | simonrvn | AFK |
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| 04:29.35 | abrotman | glick: you're mounting it as fat32 or vfat? |
| 04:29.40 | nevyn | but apache complains "premeture end of script headers |
| 04:29.40 | abrotman | not that i know there's a difference |
| 04:29.42 | mwilson | <sigh> p.d.o is out of sync again. |
| 04:29.43 | trailertrash | just showed up on the new and noteworthy |
| 04:29.47 | glick | vfat |
| 04:30.24 | nevyn | but the same script in the cgi-bin dir works. |
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| 04:32.06 | Guerin | hehe, snippet from mplayer's codec output: Selected video codec: [ffwmv1] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg M$ WMV1/WMV7) |
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| 04:32.10 | abrotman | glick: i'm out of ideas .. is there a #firewire or #ieee1394 channel that might know more? |
| 04:32.20 | nevyn | ideas? |
| 04:32.29 | glick | thanks |
| 04:32.30 | coywolf | dpkg, initrd |
| 04:32.30 | dpkg | it has been said that initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 04:32.45 | abrotman | glick: you could also try #linux .. |
| 04:32.52 | nevyn | the apache user can execuete from the users public_html dir |
| 04:32.57 | glick | yeha ill check that out |
| 04:33.01 | glick | thanks for your help |
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| 04:33.19 | abrotman | glick: sorry |
| 04:33.24 | mwilson | <sigh> Yep, fontconfig's debconf is even more screwed up, if that were possible. |
| 04:33.43 | glick | abrotman, its cool |
| 04:33.53 | abrotman | no . it's not |
| 04:33.54 | abrotman | i suck . |
| 04:33.55 | abrotman | i failed |
| 04:33.59 | abrotman | kill me |
| 04:34.00 | abrotman | now |
| 04:34.07 | abrotman | !kill me |
| 04:34.20 | Guerin | ? |
| 04:34.36 | abrotman | ! |
| 04:34.38 | mwilson | it does the right thing, but no one without an advanced degree in bullsh*t is going to understand what it's doing. |
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| 04:34.53 | toggle | there there abrotman, your still way cooler than I am. |
| 04:35.00 | abrotman | !youre |
| 04:35.03 | abrotman | !you're |
| 04:35.06 | abrotman | !damn you |
| 04:35.07 | ZoliveR | Hi ;) |
| 04:35.35 | mwilson | Now you can't GET autohinter+subpixel, for those who want them. |
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| 04:36.12 | toggle | y0 |
| 04:37.12 | ZoliveR | I've some problems whan i install debian, graphical related. Where can i have the info to solve my problem? (it don't start in graphical mode and when i run startx, that don't run the graphical interface so i suppose this is a graphical problem |
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| 04:38.24 | abrotman | here |
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| 04:38.58 | trailertrash | ZoliveR: try booting with knoppix and see what mode xfree comes up with - or tell us about your videocard |
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| 04:39.13 | abrotman | no |
| 04:39.15 | abrotman | no knoppix |
| 04:39.30 | ZoliveR | my videocard is an asus (nvidia) GeForce 4 9180 Mx440 |
| 04:39.34 | trailertrash | !yes |
| 04:39.35 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 04:39.39 | abrotman | !nvidia howto |
| 04:39.39 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 04:39.50 | abrotman | trailertrash: if you want knoppix .. take your ass to #knoppix |
| 04:40.00 | ZoliveR | lol |
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| 04:40.19 | ZoliveR | it's like saying in mcdonald to go to burger king :p |
| 04:41.06 | trailertrash | knoppix works for figuring shit out real quick or fixing lilo |
| 04:41.17 | toggle | Do I need java virtual machine? |
| 04:41.21 | ZoliveR | no matter, debian is the best |
| 04:41.45 | toggle | grub's the way to go, anyway. |
| 04:42.03 | abrotman | trailertrash: if you want knoppix .. take your ass to #knoppix |
| 04:42.16 | trailertrash | ZoliveR: I am not debating that for a moment - why do you think knoppix uses debian |
| 04:42.57 | ZoliveR | I don't think anything, especially about other than debian ;) |
| 04:43.11 | cafuego | trailertrash: Coz it's the easiest distro to rip off and pass of as your own? |
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| 04:43.40 | trailertrash | debian is about freedom, so i don't think freedom should be branded by what to use |
| 04:43.40 | abrotman | cafuego: you forgot the part about sending your clueless users to #debian to pick up the peices |
| 04:43.42 | ZoliveR | Debian is a leet distro, else, i will not loose my hairs :p |
| 04:43.53 | abrotman | lose |
| 04:44.04 | abrotman | trailertrash: great .. but knoppix is not debian |
| 04:44.07 | abrotman | in any way |
| 04:44.11 | ZoliveR | (i'm belgian... sorry :p ) |
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| 04:44.21 | cafuego | tss, rare belg |
| 04:45.01 | deadcat | cafuego: do you have any luck with hermesap? |
| 04:45.13 | cafuego | deadcat: Yeah, used to work fine. |
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| 04:46.06 | deadcat | cafuego: let me try on x86 then... |
| 04:46.55 | Guerin | knoppix IS a good diagnostic tool, but it needs to be used knowledgeably |
| 04:47.08 | abrotman | Guerin: to #knoppix with you! |
| 04:47.10 | Guerin | and tends not to help anyone who actuallly knows what hardware they're running |
| 04:47.17 | Guerin | abrotman: avast! |
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| 04:47.26 | abrotman | Guerin: rum? |
| 04:47.32 | abrotman | Guerin: lasses!!!! |
| 04:47.32 | Guerin | yum |
| 04:47.39 | Guerin | rum and lasses! arr! |
| 04:47.44 | abrotman | !pirate |
| 04:47.45 | dpkg | well, pirate is a robber and murderer in international waters. See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy> |
| 04:47.51 | abrotman | no!!! |
| 04:48.01 | Guerin | (I expect it'd be better than rum, ssodomy and the lash, anyway) |
| 04:48.01 | abrotman | !be a pirate |
| 04:48.02 | dpkg | Yeaaaar! Thar she blows! |
| 04:48.39 | trailertrash | I luv it when she does that :) |
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| 04:48.45 | Guerin | I've been asked what part of the UK I'm from by brits |
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| 04:50.51 | abrotman | Guerin: tell them jersey :) |
| 04:51.16 | deadcat | cafuego: i get lots of errors when make hfwget |
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| 04:51.27 | cafuego | deadcat: Yes...? |
| 04:51.35 | Guerin | abrotman: haha |
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| 04:52.35 | onkko | Hello |
| 04:52.39 | deadcat | cafuego: how many user can connect to the orinoco AP? |
| 04:52.47 | abrotman | 4.2 |
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| 04:53.49 | onkko | i have debian sarge on a laptop, ma xserver is running but when i want to return in a Konsole, a can't, i have to reboot |
| 04:54.01 | onkko | because my screen being black |
| 04:54.05 | onkko | dark* |
| 04:54.20 | onkko | ican't* |
| 04:54.21 | atomsk | does anyone know if tar still has a switch to store /dev/* files? I dont see it in the man page anymore :/ |
| 04:54.52 | thoreauputic | onkko: ctrl-alt-F2 to get a prompt, or run an xterm or konsole in X |
| 04:55.05 | onkko | themolester: no its impossible |
| 04:55.20 | onkko | my Konsole is crached |
| 04:55.29 | onkko | i have juste to reboot :( |
| 04:55.30 | deadcat | onkko: konsole != console |
| 04:55.51 | onkko | excuse moi, when i quit the xserver to return in a console |
| 04:55.59 | thoreauputic | onkko: err... why impossible? You can get anything up to 6 consoles as I described above |
| 04:56.16 | coywolf | how to read .ps file? xpdf can't read |
| 04:56.16 | thoreauputic | ctrl-alt-F* |
| 04:56.17 | onkko | i can't kill ma xserver |
| 04:56.24 | abrotman | coywolf: gv |
| 04:56.25 | coywolf | gs doesn't show well |
| 04:56.29 | deadcat | !french |
| 04:56.30 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 04:56.30 | coywolf | abrotman, k |
| 04:56.53 | thoreauputic | onkko: are you trying to install drivers? Is that the problem? nvidia? |
| 04:57.13 | onkko | themolester: i have a picture kernel |
| 04:57.16 | deadcat | !moron onkko |
| 04:57.17 | dpkg | onkko: You are moron #37 |
| 04:57.37 | thoreauputic | onkko: wtf is a picture kernel?? |
| 04:57.39 | onkko | & have selected drivers 'nv' |
| 04:57.43 | themolester | stop triggering my nick |
| 04:57.52 | themolester | or i'll molest you ;-) |
| 04:58.00 | deadcat | (= |
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| 04:58.43 | daft | how can I extract multiply rar file to one |
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| 04:58.54 | kerpal23_ | thomas_adam you here? |
| 04:58.54 | deadcat | daft: apt-get install rar |
| 04:59.05 | daft | deadcat: and then? |
| 04:59.11 | deadcat | daft: man rar |
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| 04:59.23 | kerpal23_ | anyone here able to help me out on pptp setup? |
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| 05:00.07 | daft | isnt there a simple command for that I hate man files ( <== dyslectic) |
| 05:00.28 | deadcat | daft: rar is the simple command |
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| 05:00.54 | luctor | I wanna test a mailinglist for about 20users. Do I have any debian packages to install ? Is there many to choose from ? free, open source |
| 05:00.57 | kerpal23_ | rar is propietary to rar. but rar is a good compression format imho and a freat win proggie. |
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| 05:00.59 | mhall | hello everybody, has anybody gots some tips on value-priced KVM switches that don't suck? |
| 05:01.06 | Pie | how do I know if im using bash or something else? |
| 05:01.15 | mhall | I am getting tired of having to have two KBs, mice and monitors... |
| 05:01.16 | teknotus | daft: dwww and dhelp have nice web interfaces to man, and info pages |
| 05:01.16 | trailertrash | onkko: you also cannot load dri or glcore |
| 05:01.19 | daft | i have read the man 4 times I can fidn it out |
| 05:01.22 | deadcat | Pie:echo $SHELL |
| 05:01.35 | deadcat | daft: then you are fucking stupid |
| 05:01.46 | daft | teknotus: IM DYSLECTIC FOR SOME WHO DONT KNOW IT SOME THINGS I CANT READ WELL |
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| 05:02.02 | themolester | mhall how bout configuring a tty on your serial port |
| 05:02.06 | daft | and cant write wll :s |
| 05:02.08 | initech | mhall: cyclades makes nice stuff |
| 05:02.09 | daft | well* |
| 05:02.11 | themolester | getting db9-rj45 connectors |
| 05:02.17 | themolester | a small patch panel |
| 05:02.23 | themolester | and some cat5e |
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| 05:02.32 | themolester | (or hell.. cat 3 would work i think |
| 05:02.36 | Guerin | daft: you're going to have a tough time running debian; it requires a lot of reading |
| 05:02.47 | trailertrash | daffy is fucking goofy |
| 05:03.02 | glick | i seem to be the only one who its not working for |
| 05:03.05 | glick | i dont get it |
| 05:03.08 | glick | this is bullshit |
| 05:03.10 | onkko | trailertrash: i know |
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| 05:03.30 | teknotus | daft: I wasn't paying attention I only saw that you didn't like man. |
| 05:03.30 | initech | glick: what is not working? |
| 05:03.32 | daft | Guerin: I have a cluster running at my old guys thank you |
| 05:03.57 | glick | initech, i cant seem to mount a firewire drive vfat partition so that regular users can read the filesystem, only root |
| 05:04.33 | daft | some text are reable some things arnt most normal man arnt readable for dislectics |
| 05:04.49 | Guerin | why not, out of curiosity? |
| 05:04.59 | deadcat | cafuego: hermesAP only works with pcmcia card? i have USB |
| 05:05.41 | mhall | themolester i want to have graphical capability |
| 05:05.43 | daft | Guerin: my dislectic misses a link between the left and the right side of the brain |
| 05:05.46 | trailertrash | daft try holding a rorrim to the neecs |
| 05:05.58 | themolester | mhall ah |
| 05:06.02 | jetscreamer | neecrs |
| 05:06.03 | mhall | themolester what would be interesting is, both machines have two monitor ports |
| 05:06.12 | Guerin | daft: I know what dyslexia is; I'm curious as to what makes some things easier to read than others |
| 05:06.15 | daft | im asking a simple command it takes less time to type it then the commance |
| 05:06.17 | luctor | I'm installing linux on an old computer. Pentium 166mhz or something close to it. How can I ensure that its as fast as possible ? is there any special dists ? or do I install an old version of debian or ? |
| 05:06.19 | initech | glick: tried making the mount point group sticky? |
| 05:06.20 | mhall | themolester i wonder if i could find a way to connect both monitors to both systems instead of one to each |
| 05:06.23 | jetscreamer | neercs seipoo |
| 05:06.30 | mhall | themolester it would be deluxe if i managed such a feat |
| 05:06.34 | glick | initech, no |
| 05:06.36 | daft | Guerin: the way its typed examples and stuff |
| 05:06.38 | glick | i dont know why id need too |
| 05:06.45 | glick | it seems to work fine for everyone else |
| 05:06.45 | themolester | mhall ... so you only have two boxes? |
| 05:06.47 | jetscreamer | glick, mount it users, gid=audio or something |
| 05:06.48 | daft | examples * > |
| 05:06.54 | mhall | themolester i have a lot more than two |
| 05:06.58 | themolester | oh |
| 05:07.00 | glick | jetscreamer, already tried that and more |
| 05:07.02 | Guerin | luctor: make sure you have plenty of ram; as much as you can get. Don't run a lot of eyecandyware like gnome/kde. |
| 05:07.10 | themolester | well... how many you looking to hook to this kvm? |
| 05:07.12 | trailertrash | luctor: lots of memory always helps |
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| 05:08.15 | initech | the desktops at work they are giving the admins have 4GB ram and 2 3.4GHz xeons, two monitors |
| 05:08.17 | Guerin | daft: I see. |
| 05:08.18 | mhall | themolester current list: PC, Windows Server 2003, Sun: SPARCStation IPX, 5, Ultra 2 Enterprise, Ultra 10 (new to me as of yesterday, using it now), iMac G3/233, Alpha Personal Workstation 500 (touchy, does not run stably, going to get rid of it, once i strip out the extra parts and put them in the Ultra 10) |
| 05:08.21 | luctor | Guerin: so thats the only trick |
| 05:08.29 | Guerin | luctor: pretty much. |
| 05:08.35 | mhall | initech that's wasteful, they do not need 4GB and xeons, do they? |
| 05:08.40 | jetscreamer | cept use the numbers |
| 05:08.46 | mhall | initech or maybe you work at some place that's ungodly |
| 05:08.47 | themolester | mhall all i cared was how many |
| 05:08.49 | themolester | not specs |
| 05:08.49 | themolester | heh |
| 05:08.50 | initech | mhall: no we don't, but i'm not complaining |
| 05:08.51 | jetscreamer | i need 4gb and a few xeons |
| 05:08.54 | Guerin | that's insane |
| 05:09.09 | Guerin | are they rendering 3danimation or something? |
| 05:09.10 | mhall | initech you = teh sux |
| 05:09.15 | mhall | initech ;-) |
| 05:09.16 | jetscreamer | i will, give me one |
| 05:09.37 | initech | mhall: they are workstations for geophysicists who need them (and the admins too, you know xterms really tax the system) |
| 05:09.49 | deadcat | cafuego: oh. hermesAP only works for 2.4 |
| 05:09.50 | mhall | yoiks there are all kinds of pointer errors in the sparc64 kernel |
| 05:09.52 | Guerin | haaha |
| 05:10.01 | mhall | no wonder SMP sparc64 crashes my Ultra 2 |
| 05:10.06 | mhall | the code is psycho |
| 05:10.08 | mhall | heh |
| 05:10.13 | daft | Guerin: thats why >I hate man its giving a simple manual with lots of terms and things like that (never saw a examle in man) |
| 05:11.08 | daft | and english inst my 1st language |
| 05:11.09 | deadcat | someone explain this to me: "There will probably never be a HermesAP port for the 2.6 kernel tree, but I ported the HermesAP monitoring mode." |
| 05:11.11 | Guerin | daft: yeah. I don't use rar, but I think unrar supports a syntax similar to tar, so that might work. |
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| 05:11.21 | luctor | Guerin: im trying to convince some people I work for that linux can run on "less" hardware :-). Better than windoze ... Its an old computer ready to throw so If its gonna be a pilot to get more linux computers into the office :-) |
| 05:11.58 | Guerin | luctor: nice. How much ram? Desktop stuff on *n?x typically wants much more ram than on windows. |
| 05:12.08 | trailertrash | daft: try reading doc and HOWTO's |
| 05:12.52 | luctor | Guerin: ok, its almost none in it so Im afraid its not gonna be much sucess. |
| 05:12.58 | tnks | hello. . . is the MTD kernel options at all relevant to a simple USB card reader? |
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| 05:13.13 | jg | gar, i can't get debian to see my usb key at all |
| 05:13.17 | daft | am I the only one here if I know shome thing I help peeps with out say doc mand and howto |
| 05:13.23 | jg | and i don't know wehre to start |
| 05:13.27 | Guerin | daft: no. |
| 05:13.56 | jg | all the guides seem to be written for 2.4 and it seems a lot has changed |
| 05:13.59 | jetscreamer | yes you're the only one |
| 05:14.06 | trailertrash | jg hotplug loading? |
| 05:14.08 | luctor | Guerin: what about the kernel is there any tweeking there that can help, or should I just use the deb packages ? |
| 05:14.10 | daft | always when I ask things time to time they say man how to and stuff |
| 05:14.12 | jg | trailertrash: yep |
| 05:14.18 | jg | trailertrash: but it says failed for the last usb |
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| 05:14.22 | Guerin | daft: typically it's more useful to point people to a resource they can use to learn for themselves than to give them specific answers, though. |
| 05:14.23 | heitor | hi all |
| 05:14.29 | daft | or worse I get dpkg at me ass |
| 05:14.30 | mhall | deadcat ok i looked that over and thought about it |
| 05:14.40 | Guerin | luctor: use the stock debian kernels unless you know what you're doing. |
| 05:14.41 | jetscreamer | !hi heitor |
| 05:14.41 | dpkg | Many greetings, heitor, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 05:14.44 | heitor | anyone knows how can I enable my USB mouse? |
| 05:14.44 | jetscreamer | hi heitor |
| 05:14.45 | jetscreamer | ` |
| 05:14.50 | heitor | hi! :) |
| 05:14.51 | jetscreamer | ~hi heitor |
| 05:14.54 | apt | Many greetings, heitor, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 05:14.54 | mhall | deadcat what i think he means is he kept the 1337 h4x0r monitoring / wireless spying code |
| 05:14.58 | trailertrash | daft: /usr/share/doc has fine manuals, read the fine manuals, RTFM |
| 05:15.05 | mhall | deadcat but not the part that lets you be a host-based access point |
| 05:15.15 | deadcat | mhall: but he just said hes not gonna port it to 2.6, then he said its on 2.6 |
| 05:15.30 | mhall | deadcat he said the overall code is not |
| 05:15.36 | mhall | deadcat but the monitoring code is |
| 05:15.37 | daft | I buld a fucking cluster dont you think i know lynx /usr/share/doc/*/readmy.debian.gz |
| 05:15.37 | luctor | Guerin: Ive compilled quite a few kernels with "medium" knowledge... |
| 05:15.47 | daft | sigh |
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| 05:15.55 | deadcat | mhall: oh. but the monitor mode is already working on 2.6 without his "1337" patch |
| 05:16.04 | daft | i just can find out a coomand for rar |
| 05:16.10 | mhall | deadcat well maybe the 1337 patch is the source of the working monitor mode |
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| 05:16.21 | mhall | deadcat somebody might have adapted it into the source tree |
| 05:16.26 | Guerin | daft: you might find that few people in here use rar, because it's 1) non-free and 2) shit |
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| 05:16.44 | trailertrash | daft rar e filename |
| 05:16.48 | Guerin | those are the reasons I don't use it |
| 05:16.49 | mhall | daft bzip2 is better on the whole, and it's free |
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| 05:17.05 | ZoliveR | 'back ;) |
| 05:17.21 | daft | well i have spiderman {1 to 33}.rar |
| 05:17.24 | heitor | xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 05:17.37 | heitor | Anyone can tell me how can I enable my USB mouse? |
| 05:17.43 | Guerin | daft: go ask in #moviewarez |
| 05:17.47 | deadcat | daft: if you read the fucking man page careful enough you wouldnt need to ask the dumb question. |
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| 05:17.58 | trailertrash | rar e spider*.001.rar |
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| 05:18.39 | heitor | not a single help... |
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| 05:18.46 | daft | deadcat: I was send to a school for stupid peeps by some one who said that with my QI of 133 |
| 05:18.52 | hellojtm | for a base install of woody, all reasonable packages including gnome, gcc, etc... is CD1 sufficient? |
| 05:18.54 | daft | ty |
| 05:18.59 | deadcat | heitor: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select /dev/input/mice |
| 05:19.06 | AzMoo | What's a .raw file? |
| 05:19.06 | ZoliveR | I read carefully the links that you gave to me about debian and nvidia, but that's not inside the installation and i'm completely lost in a command line... Is there a doc for how to chose the best option for graphic about nvidia, just that give to me the graphical interface? |
| 05:19.11 | deadcat | daft: good for you |
| 05:19.22 | Guerin | AzMoo: any file which someone has named .raw |
| 05:19.40 | trailertrash | daft: take your ridlen before joining #debian |
| 05:19.41 | Guerin | deadcat: I think his point is that it's NOT good for him. |
| 05:19.43 | ZoliveR | and that during the installation process |
| 05:20.25 | daft | trailertrash: I helped guys here no one knew a clew off how they had there errors |
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| 05:20.26 | trailertrash | daft: rar e work? |
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| 05:20.37 | AzMoo | Guerin, yup, I realize that. But what format is it generally used for? It should be CD image, but I don't know if I can burn it. |
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| 05:21.08 | Guerin | AzMoo: then only .raw files I know of are canon .raw out of high-end digital cameras |
| 05:21.31 | heitor | deadcat, USB mouse's light is not even on... Probably some kernel module is missing. |
| 05:21.32 | dondelelcaro | AzMoo: if you're not sure, mount it through a loopback. |
| 05:21.33 | daft | I think i gona do in undr indows or some thing :s |
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| 05:22.05 | dondelelcaro | clue != clew |
| 05:22.19 | trailertrash | daft: try using mc to do it, or file-roller |
| 05:22.20 | daft | has some one of you ever put a z80 on the internet? |
| 05:22.20 | Moraiat | poo != carp |
| 05:22.22 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: he's dyslexic and english ain't hiss first language |
| 05:22.23 | deadcat | heitor: modprobe -l |grep usb |
| 05:22.24 | dondelelcaro | they are absolutely totally separate things. |
| 05:22.34 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: hes a fucking moron |
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| 05:23.06 | trailertrash | daft: fix spiderman with par or par2 first |
| 05:23.11 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:23.43 | hellojtm | when installing woody from scratch, are any CDs other than CD1 necessary? |
| 05:23.52 | Guerin | hellojtm: no |
| 05:24.02 | deadcat | heitor: no. you can actually get the netinstall 10MB cd |
| 05:24.05 | heitor | deadcat, ok. Now how can I know which one to load? |
| 05:24.12 | hellojtm | guerin: thx |
| 05:24.13 | Moraiat | i can get the reinstall disk for 6mb |
| 05:24.31 | deadcat | heitor: load the name with usb and mouse |
| 05:24.42 | trailertrash | hellojtm: done it with 3 floppies before |
| 05:24.49 | Moraiat | i've done it with 2 |
| 05:25.08 | deadcat | i did it with no floppy/cdrom |
| 05:25.15 | Moraiat | i did it with no monitor |
| 05:25.19 | Moraiat | or net cable |
| 05:25.20 | Moraiat | all sounds |
| 05:25.24 | deadcat | Moraiat: (= |
| 05:25.26 | heitor | deadcat, using modprobe <modulename> right? only that or I shall restart something> |
| 05:25.30 | trailertrash | I did it telepathically |
| 05:25.39 | Moraiat | i did it without a computer. |
| 05:25.42 | Moraiat | i installed it on my dog |
| 05:25.55 | deadcat | heitor: no. just use modprobe module, if it works echo modulename >> /etc/modules so the next reboot will load the module |
| 05:26.04 | deadcat | Moraiat: up the ass? |
| 05:26.08 | pourriture | any flash website authors here? |
| 05:26.11 | Moraiat | negative |
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| 05:26.20 | trailertrash | i just installed it on my girlfriends snatch |
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| 05:26.30 | heitor | deadcat, modprobe usbmouse does nothing. Mouse keeps turned off... |
| 05:26.31 | deadcat | trailertrash: i see |
| 05:26.37 | takatumi | trailertrash: time to fsck the drive now |
| 05:26.37 | deadcat | pourriture: #flash |
| 05:26.42 | peterrooney | trailertrash: was it easy? |
| 05:26.57 | pourriture | deadcat, That means no ... right? |
| 05:27.02 | trailertrash | drive is thrashing, need more ram :P |
| 05:27.05 | Moraiat | i installed debian on a cat once too... it turned into a dog after the upgrade :P |
| 05:27.07 | deadcat | pourriture: yes, no |
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| 05:27.30 | pourriture | deadcat, i am in #flash ... and there aren't any there either |
| 05:27.41 | deadcat | hmm |
| 05:27.55 | deadcat | heitor: i dont know then. i use ps2 mouse |
| 05:28.01 | Moraiat | peterrooney: it is somewhere... |
| 05:28.05 | Moraiat | maybe... |
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| 05:29.43 | pourriture | deadcat, i am looking for an opinion on a flash based website ... i had nothing to do with the development ... I do sys-admin type stuff for the owner of the website and he asked my opinion ... I thought it kicked the most ass I have seen lately ... but I am looking for an informed opinion |
| 05:29.58 | deadcat | pourriture: i dont know |
| 05:30.02 | Guerin | I obviously suck far too much to get this patch working. |
| 05:30.42 | Guerin | peterrooney: it's sunday, the calendar is wrong. |
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| 05:31.36 | mhall | pourriture what you are likely to find is that people in this channel do not like and/or appreciate flash |
| 05:31.45 | mhall | pourriture therefore this is a bad place to ask |
| 05:31.53 | sijork | I like flash. |
| 05:32.14 | mhall | pourriture flash is inherently contrary to the usual sensibilities of un*x users |
| 05:32.21 | peterrooney | Guerin: well, it's Sunday 155,520,000,000 km from here :) |
| 05:32.34 | sijork | mhall: How is it contrary? |
| 05:32.46 | sijork | mhall: SWG does the exact same thing and it's Unix standard. |
| 05:32.56 | sijork | mhall: de facto standard anyways |
| 05:33.06 | Nurbs | SVG? |
| 05:33.06 | pourriture | mhall, I know ... that is what I told my friend ... kinda flash clueless cause I am no a windows user ... but when I look for an opinion that I respect ... I reflexivly look here |
| 05:33.16 | sijork | Nurbs: Yup. Typo. |
| 05:33.26 | sijork | Nurbs: Scalable Vector Graphics |
| 05:33.31 | Nurbs | yes :) |
| 05:34.01 | sijork | Nurbs: Scalabe Wector Graphics only if you're Lt. Osulu on Star Trek. :P |
| 05:34.14 | Guerin | peterrooney: hahah |
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| 05:34.29 | Nurbs | sijork: hehe |
| 05:34.39 | heitor | well... |
| 05:34.39 | sijork | pourriture: You gotta be shitting me. This channel is full of biased and opinionated bastards like me. |
| 05:34.46 | heitor | USB is not working... |
| 05:34.52 | sijork | pourriture: You're not likely to find balanced opinion here. Lol. |
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| 05:35.14 | Guerin | #debian: Fair and Balanced! |
| 05:35.48 | takatumi | in your dreams! |
| 05:35.57 | Guerin | in my worst nightmare, you mean |
| 05:35.59 | pourriture | sijork, i said opinions that I respect ... which tends to mean biased people like myself ... |
| 05:36.49 | trailertrash | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one |
| 05:37.08 | trailertrash | confuses says |
| 05:37.40 | sijork | trailertrash: Boolshit. I have two. |
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| 05:38.27 | trailertrash | i have 2 penis's one small one to pee with, and a large one to brush the babysitters teeth with |
| 05:38.38 | sijork | NuBus: Lol. |
| 05:38.40 | mhall | NuBus lol isn't that the best idea |
| 05:38.53 | sijork | 2 fucking days to boot? |
| 05:38.58 | sijork | How the hell is that gonna be useful? |
| 05:38.58 | michal_ | wtf is centris? |
| 05:39.11 | mhall | NuBus what i think would be amusing would be to do it on a 040 cluster |
| 05:39.18 | pourriture | unfortunate for trailertrash that the baby sitter is also an eagle scout |
| 05:39.20 | mhall | sijork it's not intended to be |
| 05:39.29 | NuBus | I do have enough 040s here to do that :). |
| 05:39.41 | mhall | sijork it's funny because it's a classic gray mac running osx by using an emu |
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| 05:39.56 | mhall | michal_ centris is a 68040 based classical gray box macintosh |
| 05:39.58 | trailertrash | isn't centris like the first opensource software company ever |
| 05:40.06 | mhall | trailertrash no that's cygnus |
| 05:40.21 | trailertrash | oh :p |
| 05:40.26 | ZoliveR | :( |
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| 05:40.29 | NuBus | I'll set the whole thing aside for a while and find a workaround to the problem (which was a known pearpc hassle, just not one I knew about at the time) |
| 05:40.37 | michal_ | mhall: ahh.. thanks.. why not try on an amiga 4000 too |
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| 05:40.51 | mhall | michal_ conceivably one could do just that |
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| 05:41.07 | mhall | NuBus that was your idea? |
| 05:41.11 | michal_ | mhall: with the same breathtaking result :) |
| 05:41.11 | NuBus | If I had an A4000 I'd have used it first. |
| 05:41.17 | netsplit | Hi all. I'm not on Debian, and I need a way to download a set of packages. Ideally, I want a script that takes two arguments: the package name, and the name of the repository (unstable, testing, stable), then downloads the file. What's the easiest way to accomplish this? |
| 05:41.17 | mhall | NuBus you are a sick individual |
| 05:41.22 | NuBus | mhall: yeah :). |
| 05:41.30 | mhall | NuBus how did it feel getting slashdotted |
| 05:41.32 | netsplit | Oh, I forgot, the script must also accept a parameter for the architecture. |
| 05:41.47 | mhall | NuBus i want to try running an ultrasparc emu on a sparcstation ipc now |
| 05:41.49 | michal_ | you could buy a powerpc based amiga one board and then run it on that :) |
| 05:41.51 | sijork | netsplit: 1.) Get on Debian. 2.) apt-get -f it |
| 05:42.12 | mhall | NuBus how much swap did you have to use? centrices don't have much ram capacity if i remember properly |
| 05:42.23 | trailertrash | netsplit: write a script, bwahwah - heh |
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| 05:42.23 | NuBus | frustrating, cos the people I had the writeup hosted with only went down due to an sql configuration problem. |
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| 05:42.34 | netsplit | sijork: Well I want arm binaries and I don't have access to a computer that is arm that can install Debian yet. |
| 05:42.38 | mhall | i stole some memory from another ultra 10 to fill my ultra 10 i jacked from my cs dept, lol, i'm evil |
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| 05:42.47 | srbaker | where do i put codecs for mplayer? |
| 05:43.02 | NuBus | mhall: I have 256mb swap, and 68mb real RAM in it. The CPU emulation is so so slow that when it did swap, it didn't make much difference. |
| 05:43.09 | sijork | netsplit: can't you point sources.lst to arm? |
| 05:43.12 | mhall | srbaker try using vlc, it has many built in already |
| 05:43.21 | sijork | netsplit: iirc, there's the arch in the dir. |
| 05:43.22 | srbaker | mhall, i want to use mplayer. |
| 05:43.24 | NuBus | In the end it seems the 040+emulator can do in 5 hours what it takes a g4/1ghz to do natively in a second. |
| 05:43.26 | mhall | srbaker the directory is like /usr/lib/w32codec or something |
| 05:43.31 | srbaker | thanks |
| 05:43.33 | mhall | srbaker for the windows ones of course |
| 05:43.44 | michal_ | vlc has almost no output drivers :/ |
| 05:43.44 | mhall | NuBus good god |
| 05:43.44 | netsplit | sijork: well I'm not on Debian anyway. I haven't been since I got an AMD64 :/ |
| 05:43.57 | mhall | NuBus hard to believe it's that much less efficient |
| 05:44.01 | sijork | netsplit: Get on it then. :) |
| 05:44.04 | numa_ | speaking of sparcs, if anyone here would like a pair of seriously pimped out SS20s, I will give mine away. |
| 05:44.10 | mhall | NuBus is emulation O(N) or O(N^2) or what? |
| 05:44.14 | netsplit | Ow, that's not helpful :/ |
| 05:44.24 | mhall | numa_ sparc32 is nearing de-support in debian |
| 05:44.35 | sijork | netsplit: Why not? Grab a bootable CD image, burn it and then reboot. |
| 05:44.38 | mhall | numa_ apparently it will be gone in the release after next |
| 05:44.42 | NuBus | mhall: the cpu is slower indeed, but pearpc's generic emulation (non cpu optimised) is something like 500 times slower than native cpu speed. |
| 05:44.53 | michal_ | how is hurd going? |
| 05:44.55 | numa_ | mhall: I know, but they are quite educational. |
| 05:44.56 | sijork | netsplit: Something like http://www.mepis.org for a LIVE cd you don't have to install. |
| 05:45.07 | numa_ | mhall: besides 2.2 works great on them/ |
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| 05:45.52 | netsplit | sijork: *sigh* ok. Thanks. I'm going to write a script I think. |
| 05:46.11 | michal_ | is there any chance in hell that amigaos4 will run on a mac? |
| 05:46.31 | sijork | michal: Maybe with emulation. |
| 05:46.35 | trailertrash | netsplit apt-get -t testing debpkg1 debpkg2 ... |
| 05:46.45 | michal_ | why would it need emulation? it's powerpc native |
| 05:46.53 | numa_ | michal_: ouch,, what a question. |
| 05:46.57 | netsplit | trailertrash: ohh ... that's promising ... you think apt-get will install on NetBSD? |
| 05:46.59 | sijork | michal: Because Amiga has custom chips. |
| 05:47.36 | michal_ | well amigaos4 works on nvidia and ati graphics cards |
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| 05:47.45 | numa_ | michal: which macs? I mean, some of those macs you need a indian rain dance just get them to fire up. |
| 05:47.47 | trailertrash | netsplit: #netBSD |
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| 05:48.04 | netsplit | Thanks. |
| 05:48.11 | michal_ | numa: i thought i mentioned powerpc based ones :P |
| 05:48.23 | michal_ | g3 and g4 |
| 05:48.29 | sijork | michal: Amiga has other chips. |
| 05:48.47 | michal_ | sijork: you don't know what you're talking about now :P |
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| 05:49.03 | michal_ | we're not talking about amigas |
| 05:49.12 | michal_ | we're talking about amigaos4 |
| 05:49.28 | numa_ | michal_: oh, well, that's what I get for ircing with a cigar in one hand and scotch in the other sitting on my front porch. |
| 05:49.30 | sijork | michal: No kidding. But AmigaOS 4 expects those chips. |
| 05:49.55 | NuBus | the amigaone dropped all those custom chips, the only custom stuff in it now is the rom needed for os4 to run |
| 05:50.28 | sijork | NuBus: What North bridge and south bridge do they use? |
| 05:50.34 | sijork | NuBus: And does the Mac use the same? |
| 05:50.37 | michal_ | nubus: well macs have openfirmware.. perhaps it could be doable |
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| 05:51.03 | sijork | michal: You're still gonna need some emulation or patch AmigaOS 4. |
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| 05:51.19 | numa_ | michal_: where ther is docs for firmware,there is a way. |
| 05:51.25 | michal_ | maybe.. we'll see when it comes out |
| 05:52.02 | sijork | Don't forget AmigaOS 4 is not open source, so you'll have a shit of a time porting it. |
| 05:52.03 | sijork | Plus there's still 68K code in AmigaOS 4. |
| 05:52.51 | hellojtm | michal you hoping amigaOS will play divx better than os x? :) |
| 05:52.58 | michal_ | if it runs on a g3/g4 then there's no reason that's a problem for a mac |
| 05:53.19 | michal_ | hellojtm: i'm sure it can.. beos could probably play 6 simultaneously better than osx :/ |
| 05:53.29 | hellojtm | hehe |
| 05:53.31 | dondelelcaro | michal_: not necessarily. |
| 05:53.50 | luctor | is mailman the best option for a mailinglist ? |
| 05:53.59 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: and where did you learn that "could probably" means necessarily? :P |
| 05:54.38 | sijork | michal: Amiga OS 4 relies on the MAI chipset (I had to look it up) so you're not gonna have much dice. |
| 05:54.40 | dondelelcaro | luctor: depends on how many subscribers there are. |
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| 05:54.49 | sijork | michal: The MAI chipset is custom for Amiga ONE. |
| 05:54.56 | dondelelcaro | luctor: it's probably a reasonable default choice... but if you have special needs, it may not be the right one. |
| 05:55.00 | michal_ | wtf is MAI ? |
| 05:55.05 | sijork | michal: You won't find one in the Mac. |
| 05:55.23 | tyranix | This is probably a FAQ but I didn't see it in the /topic or through asking dpkg: Any other info (or what should I /msg to dpkg) on 2.6.8 and cdrecord other than what's in the BTS? I was experiencing some errors in cdparanoia so I'm not sure if it's the hardware or the 2.6.8 issue. |
| 05:55.24 | michal_ | that's nice.. i aksed what it was not where i won't find it :P |
| 05:55.55 | dondelelcaro | michal_: no, but saying that BeOS can play 6 dvd's to Mac OS X's (or Debian's for that matter) one is patently false. |
| 05:55.58 | sijork | michal: It's chipset...North Bridge |
| 05:56.08 | dondelelcaro | michal_: unless you're comparing a G5 to a 601. |
| 05:56.08 | luctor | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.24 | dondelelcaro | luctor: mailman is probably the easiest, then. |
| 05:56.35 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: who said dvd's ? |
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| 05:56.50 | dondelelcaro | michal_: divx then. |
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| 05:57.09 | trailertrash | does anyone know if beos is being updated or opensourced? |
| 05:57.18 | luctor | dondelelcaro: ok. Easy to set up as well ? just apt-get install mailman and administrate online ? |
| 05:57.21 | sijork | michal : see here -> http://amigainfo.boing.net/amigaone/articias.html |
| 05:57.35 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: and i know for a FACT that such comparisons could be made for mp3's. because i tried it with the same hardware with windows and with beos |
| 05:57.36 | dondelelcaro | luctor: pretty much, yes. |
| 05:57.46 | luctor | dondelelcaro: cool |
| 05:57.55 | dondelelcaro | michal_: windows != OS X or linux. |
| 05:58.29 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: so? |
| 05:58.35 | sijork | That's pretty sad AmigaOnes are running on 2X AGP. |
| 05:58.35 | dondelelcaro | moreover, unless someone has done something seriously wrong, the OS shouldn't have much to do at all with decoding. |
| 05:59.04 | numa_ | trailertrash: I am also interested in the current status of beos. |
| 05:59.14 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: the multimedia system has a lot to do with multimedia though |
| 05:59.20 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Sure it does. If you do a context switch while in the middle of decoding and don't switch back, you're gonna get choppy playback. |
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| 05:59.47 | Dashiva | beos has 2 or 3 distros based off of BEOS PE, haiku, which is the open source equivalent, and a new commercial distro being put out by yellow tab called zeta |
| 05:59.51 | sijork | dondelelcaro: That's why all these research groups are working on RTOS for multimedia. |
| 05:59.52 | Dashiva | www.haiku-os.com |
| 05:59.54 | Dashiva | i think |
| 06:00.06 | klipper | hey, i'm having problems installing hal 0.2 , can anyone help me, please? |
| 06:00.11 | dondelelcaro | sijork: RT is something different that just straight decoding. |
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| 06:00.33 | dondelelcaro | sijork: in that case, we should be talking about latency, rather than throughput. |
| 06:00.47 | numa_ | Sijork: hard to isolate too. |
| 06:01.10 | sijork | dondelelcaro: I don't know about you, but I was never talking about throughput. |
| 06:01.20 | dondelelcaro | sijork: michal_ was. |
| 06:01.26 | michal_ | dondel: i remember with beos on a p233mmx i could basically start up as any simultaneous mp3's as i wanted to and they'd get mixed together with no choppiness.. couldn't say the same thing about win2000 and as for linux it couldn't play more than one thanks to oss.. and esd sucked (and still does) |
| 06:01.40 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Context switching is the enemy of throughput so an RTOS won't get better throughput. |
| 06:02.13 | numa_ | michal_: driver issues are present. |
| 06:02.17 | trailertrash | numa_: I hear it's not being worked on or updated (beos), which seems like a waste |
| 06:02.18 | dondelelcaro | sijork: not necessarily. If you don't care about RT, you can buffer more than enough so that the context switch seases to be an issue. |
| 06:02.35 | klipper | can no one help me with hal? i'm ripping my hair out over this thing!! |
| 06:02.38 | michal_ | beos got bought out and is being worked on under a different name |
| 06:02.42 | sijork | michal: First of all. I doubt "as many" as you wanted. |
| 06:02.47 | sijork | michal: Not realistic. |
| 06:02.56 | dondelelcaro | sijork: then you just run into a "how many CPU cycles can be thrown at decoding" issue. |
| 06:03.05 | numa_ | trailertrash: funny how licensing issues can undermine tech, eh? |
| 06:03.05 | michal_ | sijork: you're right.. many, many more than I wanted :) |
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| 06:03.27 | trailertrash | numa_: always |
| 06:03.33 | sijork | dond: How is buffering going to help throughput? |
| 06:04.00 | sijork | dond: I don't understand what you're saying. |
| 06:04.00 | klipper | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:04.00 | klipper | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.00 | dondelelcaro | sijork: buffering only takes care of the context switching being a problem. That's all. |
| 06:04.06 | michal_ | sijor: apt-cache show buffer |
| 06:04.13 | dondelelcaro | klipper: paste the entire error into #flood |
| 06:04.14 | numa_ | buffering only delays the inevitable. |
| 06:04.19 | klipper | k |
| 06:04.34 | dondelelcaro | numa_: if you don't have enough cycles to deal, yes. |
| 06:04.36 | sijork | donde: See numa_. :) |
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| 06:04.57 | dondelelcaro | numa_: but that'll be an issue no matter what OS you're running on. |
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| 06:05.05 | sijork | donde: In that case, buffering helps latency and not throughput anyways. |
| 06:05.13 | michal_ | buffering can help increase throughput.. |
| 06:05.17 | numa_ | dondelcaro: YEP. |
| 06:05.33 | toggle | Is there a file that includes the installed packagelist? |
| 06:05.46 | sijork | toggle: You can query with dpkg. |
| 06:05.48 | numa_ | Hell, my wife has been buffering for years. |
| 06:05.54 | dondelelcaro | toggle: install apt-file; |
| 06:05.56 | sijork | numa_: Lol. |
| 06:06.07 | Guerin | aargh, why is fetchmail evil |
| 06:06.28 | toggle | I know I do that but I'd rater edit the file itself. |
| 06:06.29 | sijork | Guerin: Some peole think its insecure. |
| 06:06.33 | numa_ | Guerin: because it doesn't want to become sendmail |
| 06:06.48 | michal_ | apt-get --purge remove fetchmail-evil ; apt-get install fetchail-good |
| 06:06.57 | klipper | dondelcaro: did you see it in #flood ? |
| 06:07.07 | sijork | michal: Did you look at the MAI chip, yet? |
| 06:07.24 | Guerin | i just mean "why does it not give me any output, even when called with -v, and how the fuck a I supposed to know what it's doing?" |
| 06:07.27 | dondelelcaro | klipper: yeah. the dbus-1 init script doesn't exist. |
| 06:07.33 | numa_ | damn, mythtv continues to amaze me. |
| 06:07.40 | klipper | alright....so how do i fix that? |
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| 06:07.48 | sijork | What Northbridge does the Mac use? |
| 06:07.52 | dondelelcaro | klipper: I'm not quite sure why hal is installing that initscript though... |
| 06:07.54 | xoz | klipper: the message is obvious. you somehow removed dbus-1 script. reinstall it. apt-get remove --purge dbus-1. apt-get install dbus-1 |
| 06:08.10 | michal_ | sijork: yep.. but do we know what macs use? |
| 06:08.16 | michal_ | heh |
| 06:08.20 | michal_ | you beat me to asking |
| 06:08.25 | xoz | klipper: then, you can proceed with the other install |
| 06:08.36 | michal_ | i'm sure they use many different ones |
| 06:09.26 | sijork | michal: Mac doesn't use the ugly MAI chips for sure. |
| 06:09.28 | dondelelcaro | klipper: and check the bts if you insist on running unstable: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=277050 |
| 06:09.31 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 277050 |
| 06:09.35 | dpkg | DONE:#277050:S[hal] fails to upgrade : maintainer should be beaten to death HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA !!! (patch) |
| 06:09.52 | michal_ | sijork: how do you know? |
| 06:09.58 | sijork | michal: You'll have to emulate the MAI chip to get AmigaOS 4 to work on Mac. |
| 06:10.13 | michal_ | sijork: my mac doesn't want to tell me what chipset it uses |
| 06:10.28 | sijork | michal: Because Apple designs their own Northbridge (I just looked it up) |
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| 06:10.51 | sijork | michal: Pop open the case and look. |
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| 06:11.27 | michal_ | sijork: too much hassle.. already broke some plastic last time when i tried to force something inside it that patently wouldn't fit |
| 06:11.34 | numa_ | michal_: exactly, it's not like mac grinds the print off their chips just to piss us off. |
| 06:11.38 | klipper | k...its working, re-setting up a bunch of pkgs |
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| 06:13.18 | sijork | numa: That's not even close to tricky. Some companies reprint anohter number on them. |
| 06:13.19 | michal_ | god windows sucks at moving/copying files |
| 06:13.29 | sijork | numa: Proprietory numbers that throws people off. |
| 06:13.46 | sijork | michal: What are you doing with Windows on your Mac? |
| 06:13.48 | numa_ | sijork: yeah, I've seen that on milling machines. |
| 06:14.09 | michal_ | sijork: letting fresh air in |
| 06:14.36 | numa_ | michal_: more like smog. |
| 06:15.23 | klipper | w00000000000t!! looks like its going to work! |
| 06:15.30 | klipper | thanks for the help, guys! |
| 06:15.31 | michal_ | i wonder wtf windows needs 50% of the cpu to move files when both hdd's are using dma |
| 06:16.02 | michal_ | heh.. actually more like 50-60% |
| 06:16.07 | numa_ | michal_: welcome to the world of obnoxious file systems. |
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| 06:17.01 | michal_ | it's sure as hell not the fault of ntfas |
| 06:17.05 | michal_ | ntfs rather |
| 06:17.30 | xoz | michal_: this is #debian channel, goto to #winnt if you have issues with them |
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| 06:19.18 | numa_ | xoz: sorry, off the cuff comment. |
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| 06:27.39 | pyma1 | hi. just went to kernel 2.6.8 and the old mount point for my dvd is no longer valid. how can i determine where it will be mounted now... any ideas?? |
| 06:28.17 | mwilson | pyma1: Not possible. |
| 06:28.37 | mwilson | pyma1: Perhaps the device might have changed, but the mount point cannot. |
| 06:29.18 | pyma1 | sorry i think thats what i meant... is there a way to determine which device it is |
| 06:29.39 | xoz | pyma1: dmesg? |
| 06:29.53 | mwilson | pyma1: Why do you think it has changed? |
| 06:30.20 | pyma1 | i can't mount it... i get invalid block device |
| 06:30.47 | pyma1 | it used to be /dev/hdd but that doesn't want to work |
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| 06:31.41 | mrwill | hey, do I upgrade woody 3.0r2 to 3.0r3 with apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 06:32.02 | Guerin | where the fuck does fetchmail put mails by default? |
| 06:32.04 | mwilson | Somehow I doubt there's any "want" involved. Did you remember to build into your new kernel support for whatever filesystem is on that DVD? |
| 06:32.06 | xoz | mrwill: try both |
| 06:32.09 | pyma1 | all i get from dmesg is ata2: dev 1 ATAPI |
| 06:32.17 | mwilson | Guerin: By default, it hands them to the system MTA. |
| 06:32.28 | Guerin | hrm, of course. |
| 06:32.33 | Guerin | I knew that. |
| 06:32.36 | xoz | Guerin: /var/spool/mail |
| 06:32.36 | mrwill | xoz: both what? I said 'apt-get dist-upgrade' that's only one command. |
| 06:32.49 | mwilson | pyma1: Oh, SATA? |
| 06:32.55 | xoz | mrwill: try upgrade and dist-upgrade. |
| 06:33.01 | Guerin | that's why they're not anywhere; I bet they're being bounced because there's no such user |
| 06:33.07 | mrwill | xoz: ok. |
| 06:33.17 | pyma1 | there is a sata hd, but the dvd rom is plain old ide |
| 06:33.59 | xoz | Guerin: you can configure user <a> is user <b> |
| 06:34.14 | pyma1 | mwilson: the sata stuff is fine... the dvd-rom isn't working |
| 06:34.19 | xoz | Guerin: you can configure user <a> thereis user <b> here |
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| 06:35.15 | mrwill | xoz: well, looks like upgrade worked, and since cron-apt does that for me, I've already updated. |
| 06:36.07 | mrwill | so now I have another question -- but I can only begin by describing the situation. the apache webserver on my debian system crashes every single night for the past 3 days, with only one log entry, a segfault. |
| 06:37.06 | mrwill | and seeing as how the update to the release of woody was made about three days ago, I am highly suspicious. |
| 06:38.49 | Guerin | xoz: yeah, I did that. I don't recieve mail to local accounts here, though; I use virtual accounts |
| 06:39.13 | Guerin | maybe something's fucked with my aliases... |
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| 06:40.23 | kevinz | if i am using ssh from my sarge to a unix machine, how can i upload a file? |
| 06:40.32 | Guerin | kevinz: scp |
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| 06:41.47 | kevinz | ok, thank you :) |
| 06:42.04 | kevinz | can it be used in ssh? |
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| 06:42.17 | deadcat | kevinz: yes. with tar |
| 06:42.19 | n2_ | Anyone has experience with iBook G4/Debian? :) |
| 06:42.28 | n2_ | I've got this huge problem with refresh rates in X11 |
| 06:42.43 | n2_ | I can't seem to hit the right frequency mix. |
| 06:43.24 | mrwill | n2_: hmmm, for an lcd screen you shouldn't have to tweak too much. |
| 06:43.24 | kevinz | sorry, i dont quite know whether i am using the scp on the unix machine or on my sarge if I am in SSH? |
| 06:43.37 | mrwill | kevinz: works both ways. |
| 06:43.45 | mrwill | kevinz: which machine is the client? |
| 06:44.10 | n2_ | mrwill: well, I can see the X image, but it's flashing a lot. |
| 06:44.22 | n2_ | eg,screen goes dark and X image flashes on screen |
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| 06:44.49 | kevinz | my sarge |
| 06:44.51 | mrwill | n2_: dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 should let you tweak settings. I don't know what they should be exactly, but it might suggest something to you. |
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| 06:45.30 | n2_ | well, says xfree86 isn't installed, which it is :P |
| 06:45.45 | n2_ | so, other package name? |
| 06:45.45 | mrwill | kevinz: ok, if sarge is client, and ssh server is other machine, you type something like 'scp /path/of/localfile server.address.com:/path/of/file/to/copy/to |
| 06:46.01 | Guerin | xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:46.34 | deadcat | n2_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:46.43 | kevinz | mrwill: oh, I see, thanks :) |
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| 06:47.01 | mrwill | kevinz: sure! sftp is also possible to make an ftp like interface for this if your server supports it. |
| 06:47.17 | suzzi | hello all |
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| 06:47.22 | mrwill | suzzi: hi. |
| 06:47.56 | suzzi | any one know what i should be looking for if i keep getting "eth1: interrupt(s) dropped!" on all of my terms about every 30 seconds??? |
| 06:47.59 | kevinz | mrwill: but in this way do i have to type for every file i want to send? |
| 06:48.00 | suzzi | hello mrwill |
| 06:48.27 | n2_ | where does the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 put the XF86Config file? It's not in /etc/X11 |
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| 06:48.46 | mrwill | kevinz: think so -- it doesn't handle wildcards like file* very well. |
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| 06:49.02 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 06:49.16 | suzzi | hello dodgyville |
| 06:49.18 | caskey | suzzi: sounds like your machine isn't keeping up with inbound traffic on your ethernet card. |
| 06:49.19 | thoreauputic | n2_: XF86Config-4 |
| 06:49.30 | toggle | j0, doggyville. |
| 06:49.30 | mrwill | kevinz: one possible solution is to pipe the output of a command like tar to scp to copy a directory as one file. |
| 06:49.30 | mrwill | kevinz: I've forgotten the syntax for that, though. |
| 06:49.39 | mrwill | dodgyville: hello. |
| 06:49.42 | xoz | suzzi: faulty cable, connection. |
| 06:49.58 | dodgyville | Is it true sarge will be out this weekend??? |
| 06:49.58 | suzzi | caskey: is there something that i screwed up in a conf file or is that just something that i have to deal with? |
| 06:50.00 | kevinz | mrwill: oh it's ok. seems good enough, i will look into it :) |
| 06:50.04 | dodgyville | only joking |
| 06:50.08 | n2_ | thoreauputic: it's not there after i've ran it |
| 06:50.09 | suzzi | xoz: ... that could be too... I'm at a coffeeshop |
| 06:50.21 | xoz | suzzi: using wireless conn? |
| 06:50.27 | dodgyville | !when will sarge release |
| 06:50.27 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when testing-security is online. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040922.235108.ffbd1f8f.en.html for current info. Ask me about sarge-pool, wir, siyh. |
| 06:50.32 | n2_ | an ls -l after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 shows no XF86Config-4 (or XF86Config) |
| 06:50.42 | caskey | suzzi: Generally it's a driver/host issue. If your host is too busy to read a packet from the card or service the physical ethernet device fast enough, it's letting you know. There's little you can do about it from a configuration standpoint. |
| 06:50.54 | mrwill | kevinz: glad it's good enough for what you want to do, but it is more limited than regular 'cp'. suggest rsync or something for copying lots of files automatically. |
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| 06:51.03 | caskey | suzzi: It's not uncommon for a relatively modern computer, with a pci ethernet card to be unable to handle all the traffic on the link |
| 06:51.06 | suzzi | xoz: I have a wireless card by where i'm sitting i'm getting a really crappy connection and the coffee shop has a wired option so i tried that but getting an error msg that offten is really annoying |
| 06:51.12 | xoz | suzzi: possible cannot get the entire packet so it drops it. |
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| 06:51.13 | thoreauputic | n2_: well, that's where it is supposed to be - /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 06:51.52 | suzzi | caskey: i dont think that it's my box that cant keep up, it's a 486 75M with an ISA PCMCIA bus |
| 06:51.56 | n2_ | it can't find a config file either, when I run it... |
| 06:51.57 | caskey | suzzi: Basically, such errors are 99.999+% of the time due to your computer being innundated with traffic faster than it can deal with it. |
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| 06:52.18 | thoreauputic | n2_: whaen you run what? |
| 06:52.18 | suzzi | caskey: well that could be, thanks for the input |
| 06:52.20 | caskey | suzzi: I've got 1Ghz boxes that can't handle 100Mbit over a PCI ethernet card |
| 06:52.32 | n2_ | thoreauputic: startx :) |
| 06:53.03 | thoreauputic | n2_: you have a ~/.xsession file with your window manager in it? |
| 06:53.10 | suzzi | caskey: hummm. you'd think that modern hardware can handle a standard stream of data ??? |
| 06:53.24 | n2_ | thoreauputic: of course. |
| 06:53.25 | caskey | suzzi: 100Mbit is quite a lot of data |
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| 06:54.01 | mrwill | suzzi: the machine you just described is not exactly modern hardware, especially the isa bus -- the isa bus forces the machine to fetch data no faster than if it were an 8mhz 286. |
| 06:54.01 | n2_ | Gnome shows itself in flashes with the config file generated from XF86Config. |
| 06:54.01 | suzzi | caskey: ya but 3565B/s isnt... well it is but could be better... |
| 06:54.03 | xoz | caskey: are you using gigabit card? |
| 06:54.04 | caskey | suzzi: The good news is that protocols like TCP handle dropped packets fairly gracefully |
| 06:54.25 | caskey | xoz: Nope, 100Mbit |
| 06:54.45 | suzzi | mrwill: ya i know that mine isnt (vintage 95) but a 1G machine should keep up with 100M, or at least I'd think it should |
| 06:55.03 | suzzi | caskey: ya TCP is a good thing |
| 06:55.05 | caskey | xoz: Also, system load has a lot to do with it as well. |
| 06:55.14 | topside | whats the package that downloads multiple connections at a time? |
| 06:55.31 | topside | like downloads 1 file via multiple connections |
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| 06:55.51 | suzzi | caskey: what all are you running if 100M is too much or is just a once in a while thing? |
| 06:55.57 | mrwill | suzzi: honestly, if the real problem is the error message, and you want to get rid of it, you could try tweaking syslog not to send it to the console. |
| 06:55.57 | xoz | topside: bittorrent? |
| 06:56.10 | topside | lol no |
| 06:56.16 | suzzi | man i wish that it didnt take me 20 minutes just to run apt-get update =( |
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| 06:56.31 | xoz | topside: lftp |
| 06:56.54 | caskey | suzzi: I only experience it when doing bulk transfers between two boxes at near wire speed |
| 06:57.10 | caskey | suzzi: By bulk, I mean 100's or 1000's of megabytes |
| 06:57.20 | topside | does lftp need some special option? |
| 06:57.25 | suzzi | xoz: humm that raises an interesting question, is there any effort to bittorren a deb archive??? |
| 06:57.26 | topside | it normally only uses 1 |
| 06:57.44 | suzzi | caskey: ahh |
| 06:57.47 | caskey | suzzi: which, I do on a fairly regular basis for my work |
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| 06:58.04 | caskey | suzzi: also, some ethernet cards/drivers are 'better' at handling high load situations |
| 06:58.37 | caskey | suzzi: modern, "smart" ethernet cards try to offload processing of packets. If you have a primitive ethernet driver, it may be passing all packets up to the kernel for processing. |
| 06:59.36 | xoz | topside: use -P for parallel |
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| 07:00.49 | hellojtm | mirrors.xmission ro |
| 07:00.50 | hellojtm | rox |
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| 07:02.01 | topside | xoz: thats not a valid lftp option |
| 07:03.01 | xoz | topside: -P <number of files> |
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| 07:03.13 | topside | xoz: lftp -h |
| 07:03.19 | topside | xoz: no mention of -P |
| 07:03.49 | topside | xoz: there is -f -c --help --version -e -u -p |
| 07:04.08 | topside | Lftp - v3.0.7 |
| 07:04.17 | xoz | topside: man lftp |
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| 07:04.33 | Chan0P | hui |
| 07:04.34 | Chan0P | hi |
| 07:04.50 | mrwill | ChanOP: hi there. |
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| 07:05.21 | n2 | okay |
| 07:05.23 | n2 | im now inside XFree86 |
| 07:05.27 | n2 | but the screen flashes horribly |
| 07:06.07 | suzzi | caskey: are you passing video or what? |
| 07:06.41 | caskey | suzzi: no, large disk images |
| 07:07.00 | topside | xoz: try it |
| 07:07.07 | topside | lftpget -P 4 doesnt work |
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| 07:07.09 | topside | invalid option -P |
| 07:07.12 | topside | same with just lftp |
| 07:07.13 | hyur | anyone know how long it will be until 3.0r3 dvd images will be available? |
| 07:07.54 | SilverFox | what package am I looking for that has the kernel headers? |
| 07:08.01 | n2 | seriously |
| 07:08.04 | n2 | what am I doing wrong? |
| 07:08.09 | n2 | horizontal refresh on an LCD? |
| 07:08.10 | suzzi | caskey: ahh.. |
| 07:08.44 | Chan0P | how can i do that: i want to restrict using wget to some users |
| 07:09.39 | SilverFox | Chan0P, I like sudo |
| 07:09.50 | topside | xoz: invalid option -P |
| 07:09.53 | caskey | ChanOP: you'll need to restrict the compiler, the email programs and a whole lot more to keep them from running it |
| 07:10.04 | xoz | topside: man lftp ... you have to use it with the mirror command |
| 07:10.14 | Guerin | nope, it would appear that I'm still too stupid to use mutt |
| 07:10.19 | Chan0P | heh |
| 07:10.30 | Chan0P | compiler? why? |
| 07:11.02 | topside | thats to mirror a directory |
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| 07:11.20 | caskey | ChanOP: because they could just download the wget source and build their own copy |
| 07:11.23 | SilverFox | Chan0P, chroot is nice too. |
| 07:11.48 | SilverFox | caskey, or download binaries. |
| 07:12.00 | SilverFox | using LWP, links, lynx, or something similar. |
| 07:12.02 | caskey | SilverFox: that's why I mentioned email, etc. |
| 07:12.07 | Guerin | but how will they download anything without wget? |
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| 07:12.13 | Guerin | </sarcasm> |
| 07:12.17 | SilverFox | Guerin, hehe... |
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| 07:12.27 | caskey | SilverFox, ChanOP: they could also type in the binary by hand using plain old cat + chmod |
| 07:12.32 | topside | anyone know a package that will download files via multiple connections |
| 07:12.34 | mrGenixus | having a problem with XFS files system |
| 07:12.42 | SilverFox | caskey, oh yeah! clever. |
| 07:12.53 | SilverFox | xmodem. |
| 07:12.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:12.55 | SilverFox | hehe. |
| 07:12.58 | debian | topside: bittorrent? |
| 07:13.02 | mrGenixus | topside: you need to set up iptables to load balance |
| 07:13.19 | mrGenixus | error 990 bug? |
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| 07:13.30 | caskey | topside: you do know that opening multiple connetions won't necessarily speed up your transfer, right? |
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| 07:13.40 | debian | topside: if multiple thread from the same place that you can use prozilla |
| 07:13.48 | topside | prozilla thats it! |
| 07:13.48 | suzzi | any one thinking of serving up debs via bittorrent??? or are there problems that i cant think of with that??? |
| 07:14.04 | topside | caskey: my server is ony a direct ethernet to OC3 but its oly pulling 330K |
| 07:14.14 | topside | yet another box on same lan is pulling 1MB/sec |
| 07:14.18 | caskey | topside: Sounds like the other end is limited. |
| 07:14.20 | Guerin | suzzi: no point. Debina's mirrors are fast and not typically under heavy load. |
| 07:14.21 | xoz | topside: axel |
| 07:14.21 | mrGenixus | suzzi: before that can be well implemented there needs to be a better way of connecting, a layer on op of bittorrent |
| 07:14.42 | mrGenixus | can anybody help me from losing 20gb of important data? |
| 07:15.09 | Guerin | mrGenixus: can you ask a proper question? |
| 07:15.27 | mrGenixus | Guerin: FYI, I did |
| 07:15.28 | caskey | mrGenixus: define "important" |
| 07:15.45 | mrGenixus | does anyone know anythjing about an "xfs bug" in the latest kernel package? |
| 07:15.58 | mrGenixus | caskey: it's someone else's data |
| 07:16.03 | xoz | mrGenixus: bts knows |
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| 07:16.12 | mrGenixus | xoz: pardon?? |
| 07:16.17 | mrGenixus | xoz who? |
| 07:16.19 | Chan0P | thanks, bye all |
| 07:16.21 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 07:16.21 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 07:16.25 | Guerin | mrGenixus: no, you didn't. You said you had an error message, and from context it wasn't clear whether that was your problem or what |
| 07:16.37 | mrGenixus | Guerin: I apologize |
| 07:16.47 | suzzi | Guerin: well thats true. sadly my current connection blows |
| 07:16.49 | Guerin | mrGenixus: don't apologise, aake a decent question. |
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| 07:17.02 | Guerin | suzzi: bittorrent won't help you at client-side. |
| 07:17.03 | suzzi | mrGenixus: hummm... |
| 07:17.20 | mrGenixus | I need to know how to fix a problem that prevents me from mounting an xfs partition as follows |
| 07:17.22 | suzzi | Guerin: ya but it was just something that i thought of... figured i'd ask |
| 07:17.31 | topside | better |
| 07:17.34 | topside | getting 700KB/s now |
| 07:17.41 | topside | 600 |
| 07:17.59 | mrGenixus | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 |
| 07:18.08 | suzzi | eep mtr reports that i'm loosing about 60% of my packets..... crazy wireless connection! |
| 07:18.09 | mrGenixus | mount: uknown error 990 |
| 07:18.11 | drago- | http://xoops-il.ath.cx/xoops israel |
| 07:18.14 | simonrvn | mrGenixus: man mount |
| 07:18.22 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:18.22 | mrGenixus | simonrvn: thanks 2 sec |
| 07:18.27 | Guerin | that's incorrect syntax |
| 07:18.33 | mrGenixus | xoz, will check bts |
| 07:18.37 | mrGenixus | brb |
| 07:18.41 | Guerin | ... |
| 07:18.48 | xoz | heh |
| 07:18.57 | Guerin | mrGenixus: check your head first |
| 07:19.01 | mrGenixus | simonrvn: nice though error 990 isn't covered |
| 07:19.20 | xoz | mrGenixus: check google |
| 07:19.20 | simonrvn | ... |
| 07:19.22 | mrGenixus | Guerin: connected, definitely have feeling in neck, arms, (???) |
| 07:19.35 | SilverFox | someone said they were connected via ethernet to an OC3 (45Mbps x 3) and were getting less than 1 Mbps. |
| 07:19.36 | simonrvn | try specifying the fs... |
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| 07:19.37 | SilverFox | wow... |
| 07:19.38 | mrGenixus | googled |
| 07:19.41 | Guerin | mrGenixus: there seems to be some issue with the optical data-input channels |
| 07:19.43 | mrGenixus | checking bts next |
| 07:19.59 | Guerin | mrGenixus: they're only picking up part of the data they're seeing |
| 07:20.09 | Phated | mrGenixus: FFS you NEED TO INCLUDE A FILESYSTEM TYPE! |
| 07:20.10 | mrGenixus | Guerin: mutliprocessing data async. |
| 07:20.11 | simonrvn | Guerin: must be a short or something |
| 07:20.18 | mary | suzzi: talking about bittorrent and debian - i know someone implementing a tool to download the debs off bittorrent |
| 07:20.23 | Guerin | !captain obvious Phated |
| 07:20.37 | Phated | Guerin: Well sue me but he's not getting it is he/ |
| 07:20.46 | Guerin | no, he most assuredly is not. |
| 07:21.10 | Phated | So I think that at this point of time being obvious is the last, but last resort we have. |
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| 07:21.20 | simonrvn | mrGenixus: apt-get install use-brain; read man mount, the part about specifying fs type, option -t |
| 07:21.22 | mary | suzzi: getting the files via bittorrent and misc is the easy part - estimating proximity is the tough part |
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| 07:21.32 | Guerin | nah, we could have just continued being smart arses |
| 07:21.35 | mrGenixus | simonrvn: definitly the same error |
| 07:21.51 | mrGenixus | google resultsa report 990 means inabilty to read fs root |
| 07:21.53 | Guerin | mrGenixus: do you have a fstab entry for this partition, and if so, what is it? |
| 07:21.57 | simonrvn | then google the error message |
| 07:22.00 | xoz | file type shoulr be auto detected... |
| 07:22.06 | mrGenixus | bad inode magic etc |
| 07:22.14 | simonrvn | xoz: most of the time, no |
| 07:22.18 | mrGenixus | Guerin: ftab only controls predefined mounts |
| 07:22.21 | Guerin | and the xfs tools don't help? |
| 07:22.23 | arty | hey anybody know about setting up wireless ethernet pretty well? |
| 07:22.29 | simonrvn | mrGenixus: oi. xfs_check, xfs_repair |
| 07:22.35 | mrGenixus | most file systems are autodetected based on image |
| 07:22.38 | xoz | simonrvn: most of the time, it works here |
| 07:22.45 | suzzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.49 | Guerin | mrGenixus: I'm familiar with fstab; you still haven't answered the question. |
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| 07:23.11 | Phated | Er, no, filesystems are not autodetected... |
| 07:23.16 | mrGenixus | xfs_check, xfs_repair? will this be garanteed to work, google result speak about this being a kernel read/write bug |
| 07:23.28 | mrGenixus | Guerin: no fstab entry |
| 07:23.28 | mary | suzzi: the `times` will really depend on how many local/partial mirrors are `close` to you |
| 07:23.34 | simonrvn | mrGenixus: what kernel version is that? |
| 07:23.38 | mrGenixus | one second |
| 07:23.47 | mrGenixus | Linux gameserver 2.6.8-20041029 #1 Fri Oct 29 17:45:47 MDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:23.58 | mrGenixus | Guerin: not a new bug |
| 07:24.17 | xoz | mrGenixus: google might help. |
| 07:24.19 | simonrvn | mrGenixus: haven't seen it; check out lkml to see if someone else has reported it |
| 07:24.31 | simonrvn | mrGenixus: it might accompany a fix too |
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| 07:24.44 | suzzi | mary: so i guess my best guess is to convince someone to move in next door and have them buy the oc3 connection and then i could just mooch... ahh if only |
| 07:25.07 | Guerin | suzzi: got wireless? |
| 07:25.07 | mary | suzzi: not really - if you can max out your connection - thats good enough for now |
| 07:25.09 | luctor | how can Ihave mailman adin tools to run on a different port ? |
| 07:25.09 | simonrvn | um, damned yoda grammar.. a fix might accompany ... |
| 07:25.21 | simonrvn | luctor: eh? |
| 07:25.25 | arty | the thing i'm interested in is one sentence in the iwconfig man page ... |
| 07:25.28 | mrGenixus | http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/10/msg00093.html |
| 07:25.28 | mrGenixus | ? |
| 07:25.30 | mary | suzzi: i mirror the entire i386 branch and serve it locally |
| 07:25.53 | suzzi | Guerin: well i have a wireless card that i use here at the coffeeshop, but no node of my own. |
| 07:26.10 | mary | suzzi: and i did that initially on a 56kbps/128kbps connection - now on 512 kbps connection.. i sync during the night - takes about 4-5 days to sync |
| 07:26.24 | Guerin | suzzi: http://www.usbwifi.orcon.net.nz |
| 07:26.27 | suzzi | mary: if i had a connection at home i'm sure that i would do the same but sadly all i can afford right now it the free wireless with my coffee |
| 07:26.43 | luctor | simonrvn: when i try to run the admin tool on my mailman list it just wanna open pages on port 80.my server runs on a different port |
| 07:26.59 | Guerin | mary: how does that play out, given that sid and sarge both change daily? |
| 07:27.01 | xoz | mrGenixus: try to lower down kernel version. maybe 2.4? |
| 07:27.03 | simonrvn | pagebuf bug |
| 07:27.14 | topside | i think its lftp that sucks as an ftp program |
| 07:27.22 | topside | i dunno something slowing the download down |
| 07:27.28 | topside | proz downloads at 800+ now |
| 07:27.33 | suzzi | Guerin: if only i had a laptop that was usb enabled.... =) |
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| 07:27.37 | mary | Guerin: they dont change much - except when something like kde/etc get in |
| 07:27.47 | Guerin | mary: that's true. |
| 07:27.55 | mrGenixus | nm fixed |
| 07:28.09 | suzzi | Guerin: though the antena is nice |
| 07:28.22 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe ;) |
| 07:28.23 | Guerin | suzzi: yeah. |
| 07:28.24 | mary | we are trying to test out the concept of using bittorrent for distributing/mirroring debian |
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| 07:28.47 | simonrvn | Guerin: quitting so quickly, i wouldn't doubt it |
| 07:28.55 | mary | atleast for india - the concept of distributed mirrors makes more sense |
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| 07:29.35 | simonrvn | Guerin: that bug he posted didn't seem too related |
| 07:29.44 | Guerin | yeah, you can never use bandwidth too efficiently |
| 07:29.49 | Guerin | simonrvn: no, it didn't |
| 07:30.11 | takatumi | mary: mirrors in which part of India? |
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| 07:30.24 | takatumi | s/part/parts |
| 07:30.31 | suzzi | ok all it's been fun but i need to get some work done =) |
| 07:30.34 | mary | takatumi: there are plenty of people who mirror some parts of debian |
| 07:30.52 | takatumi | mary: good :) |
| 07:30.53 | mary | takatumi: but they cant really serve as mirrors ( in a sense automatically ) simply because their bandwidth is low |
| 07:31.19 | takatumi | I am not really sold on the bittorrent idea though |
| 07:31.27 | mary | takatumi: a lot of isps in india - dont restrict bandwidth within the intranet |
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| 07:31.40 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:31.44 | simonrvn | xoz |
| 07:32.03 | takatumi | mary: I didn't know isp's could restrict intranet bandwidth |
| 07:32.03 | xoz | heh |
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| 07:32.13 | simonrvn | oh well. fuck it |
| 07:32.22 | mary | takatumi: oops - rather intra-isp |
| 07:32.39 | simonrvn | within the AS? |
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| 07:32.57 | takatumi | mary: are there lots of debian users in India? |
| 07:32.58 | simonrvn | (often isps will also have their own ASN) |
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| 07:33.27 | mary | takatumi: anyways - the point being - if i could discover the host at the intra-isp, intra-net level as a debian mirror - its always better than downloading from the official mirrors |
| 07:33.41 | mary | takatumi: quite a few - no estimates though |
| 07:33.48 | simonrvn | takes a load off the main mirrors |
| 07:34.15 | simonrvn | though there comes up the question of what to do about security updates |
| 07:34.34 | takatumi | mary: count me in, although I am not in India currently :) |
| 07:34.48 | mary | simonrvn: pretty much - right now it is easy to get subnets of the isp (ASN, misc) - and its kind of a heuristic metric which might work |
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| 07:35.22 | caskey | mary: Couldn't you use a network of squid peers to achieve similar results? It would be demand loading to boot. |
| 07:35.27 | fm | mary: count me in too :) |
| 07:35.47 | xoz | mary: can i pm you about *india*? |
| 07:35.55 | simonrvn | it does sound good, but that'd be my only question, the security updates |
| 07:36.02 | mary | the advantage is the "tracker" in bittorrent |
| 07:36.07 | fm | xoz: am not in India atm |
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| 07:36.15 | mary | we need to `track` the local debian mirros and so on |
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| 07:36.17 | mary | mirros |
| 07:36.18 | mary | oops |
| 07:36.19 | mary | mirrors |
| 07:36.33 | fm | xoz: what do you want to know about india ? |
| 07:36.35 | mary | simonrvn: didnt get you.. |
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| 07:36.51 | fm | xoz: I can give u some links :) |
| 07:36.59 | daesotho | x fucked up |
| 07:37.07 | takatumi | daesotho: how so? |
| 07:37.15 | daesotho | or rather, i fucked up x |
| 07:37.24 | daesotho | i tried installing a pci video card |
| 07:37.28 | takatumi | daesotho: PEBKAC |
| 07:37.40 | daesotho | i know |
| 07:38.01 | daesotho | ...dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't change the symlink, does it? |
| 07:38.12 | simonrvn | security updates are ony done through security.debian.org. now, i have no idea if that's a ound robin of servers or whatever - i imagine so - but would sec.d.o fit into that, or would that be done the usual way. but, then again, i missed part of the discussion =) |
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| 07:38.51 | mary | simonrvn: every deb package could be mirrored - independent of which branch/misc - its just the package name which eventually matters |
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| 07:40.01 | takatumi | mary: did you consider caskey's suggestion above? |
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| 07:40.27 | simonrvn | luctor: mailman web admin runs from apache |
| 07:40.57 | dark_light | how can i see where is the binaries of a installed .deb package? |
| 07:40.58 | mary | takatumi: the tracking part is built into bittorrent |
| 07:41.08 | daesotho | does anybody want to help me? |
| 07:41.36 | enchanter | How to registe my nickname here? |
| 07:41.42 | takatumi | daesotho: what is the problem? and what symlink? |
| 07:41.46 | mwilson | Change what symlink? |
| 07:41.49 | deadcat | anyone got bootsplash on ppc to work? or even .deb packages? |
| 07:41.52 | simonrvn | mary: it would really depend on the honour system wouldn't it |
| 07:41.53 | dark_light | ench, /nickserv register password |
| 07:41.53 | daesotho | the symlink in /etc/X11 |
| 07:42.01 | takatumi | enchanter: /msg nickserv help |
| 07:42.13 | daesotho | i've dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xfree86 and every other x package i can think of |
| 07:42.14 | simonrvn | daesotho: man ln |
| 07:42.20 | daesotho | with -p low |
| 07:42.23 | zeeeee | hi all, i'd like to use netcat in a script to send some text via sockets, but i don't know how to have it close the connection once it has finished sending all the text. usually when i use netcat i just hit ctrl-c, but i won't be able to do this as the script is running...any advice? |
| 07:42.32 | daesotho | simonevn: yea yea i know that |
| 07:42.43 | xoz | daesotho: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 07:42.44 | caskey | zeeeee: close the file descriptor to the subprocess |
| 07:42.58 | daesotho | simonrvn: i've been trying differnet xservers with that symlink with no success |
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| 07:43.16 | enchanter | takatumi, Thanks, I will try it |
| 07:43.22 | dark_light | anybody knows?.. i want to know where is a specific package.. |
| 07:43.35 | caskey | zeeeee: oh, wait, netcat. Nevermind |
| 07:43.37 | xoz | fm: where's the link? |
| 07:43.37 | simonrvn | daesotho: ln --help |
| 07:43.39 | mary | daesotho: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.old;XFree86 -configure;cp /root/XF86Config-4.new /etc/X11/XF86Config-4;md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum; |
| 07:43.40 | zeeeee | caskey: there's a subprocess? how do i find the fd? |
| 07:43.59 | mary | oops |
| 07:44.06 | mary | daesotho: cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.old;XFree86 -configure;cp /root/XF86Config-4.new /etc/X11/XF86Config-4;md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum; |
| 07:44.10 | xoz | !x md5sum |
| 07:44.10 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86". This will lose any manual changes you've made. |
| 07:44.11 | mwilson | daesotho: "different X servers"? Uh, what different X servers would those be, since there is only one? |
| 07:44.17 | dark_light | (...) |
| 07:44.33 | takatumi | (.) |
| 07:45.28 | caskey | zeeeee: wrestling the subprocess isn't guaranteed to work. You could try the -w param to timeout the connection, but that's suboptimal |
| 07:45.29 | mary | simonrvn: ofcourse.. - however given that the hashes/misc (whatever you get when you do apt-get update) - come from a trusted server - the trust is otherwise established |
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| 07:46.03 | zeeeee | caskey: yeah, i won't know in advance how long the text is |
| 07:46.21 | dark_light | hello? |
| 07:46.32 | Guerin | hrm, how to include or exclude a regexp from wget -r ? |
| 07:46.41 | simonrvn | mary: yeh, but the support is only partially there. although you can install debsums and have it parse every .deb coming in; and experimental's APT has some special features |
| 07:46.53 | caskey | zeeeee: Consider using something other than netcat. I recall having this problem as well a couple years ago and decided to discard netcat and use something else. |
| 07:47.09 | c0ldness | omgs: just been here for a bit and i see lots of ppl with q's about xfree86 |
| 07:47.12 | mary | simonrvn: the tool which we are writing - will check that |
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| 07:47.22 | simonrvn | mary: cool :) |
| 07:47.26 | c0ldness | errm |
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| 07:47.29 | bintut | how can i clone 2 lvm2 hard disk drives to other 2 hard disk drives? |
| 07:47.36 | caskey | zeeeee: I believe the timeout only comes into effect once there's no more data to send, (not sure though) but if so, then as long as you are content with it taking transmissionTime+timeout to finish, it might work |
| 07:47.47 | mary | simonrvn: should have something running in a week or so :-) |
| 07:47.57 | simonrvn | mary: oh and the Release file contains both md5 and sha1 sums |
| 07:48.08 | mary | simonrvn: true |
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| 07:48.40 | dark_light | (takatumi, why is everybody ignoring me?) |
| 07:49.06 | simonrvn | daesotho: man apt-cache |
| 07:49.18 | caskey | zeeeee: Oh, duh: " -q seconds after EOF is detected, wait the specified number of seconds and then quit." |
| 07:49.36 | xoz | dark_light: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 07:50.14 | mary | simonrvn: i see md5sum though - and probably missed out sha1 |
| 07:50.15 | dark_light | xoz, thanks! |
| 07:50.23 | zeeeee | caskey: i could not find that option, i just downloaded & installed GNU netcat 0.7.1, i'm not sure if this is the best option for netcat... |
| 07:50.28 | mary | brb |
| 07:50.31 | simonrvn | sha1sum is in coreutils IIRC |
| 07:50.55 | mary | simonrvn: oops - i meant the checksums for the packages - not the tools themselves |
| 07:51.06 | caskey | zeeeee: that option is listed in the debian netcat manpage which isn't part of the nc distro |
| 07:51.06 | mary | simonrvn: rather hashes |
| 07:51.40 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sum iirc |
| 07:52.05 | dark_light | errrr.. well, xoz, here it's some cached .deb packages, but i want to know where is the binaries of a package that is installed. |
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| 07:53.00 | dark_light | ahm |
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| 07:53.05 | simonrvn | /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sums |
| 07:53.23 | simonrvn | dark_light: man dpkg, -L option |
| 07:53.48 | Guerin | ok, is there a better tool than wget for mirroring a debian package archive over plain http:// ? |
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| 07:54.18 | simonrvn | mirror? dscan? |
| 07:54.53 | xoz | Guerin: lftp? |
| 07:55.04 | takatumi | Guerin: debmirror? |
| 07:55.16 | dark_light | simonrvn, xoz, thanks!=) |
| 07:55.48 | xoz | dark_light: there are no binaries.... check /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 07:55.57 | mary | simonrvn: i meant i cant see the sha1 hashes for the packages anywhere - will look harder |
| 07:56.10 | Guerin | sorry, not an official debian mirror - a 3rd party repository which I'm mirroring myself |
| 07:56.31 | simonrvn | mary: yeh they don't seem to be included in /var/lib/dpkg, i'll take a look at /var/lib/apt |
| 07:56.39 | dark_light | no? but.. some packages offer programs, in binarie form.. |
| 07:57.14 | Guerin | I don't really want to get all the html and shit in the main directory as well as everything else... and it'd be nice to only get files which have changed since last time. |
| 07:57.19 | zeeeee | caskey: do you knw if that netcat is made by @stake? the only netcats i found with google were made by GNU and @stake |
| 07:57.35 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 07:57.45 | caskey | the debian netcat: Netcat was written by a guy we know as the Hobbit <hobbit@avian.org>. |
| 07:57.53 | xoz | dark_light: ignore it. what i meant was debian doesn't keep .deb after installing it. |
| 07:58.33 | xoz | Guerin: rsync |
| 07:58.56 | simonrvn | Guerin: try something like ar p file.deb data.tar.gz ¬ tar -zx \*some_file\* |
| 07:59.03 | simonrvn | Guerin: woops |
| 07:59.04 | dark_light | hum. well, the .md5sums file and the -L param shows me what i looking for:) |
| 07:59.04 | zeeeee | caskey: ah yes that's hobbit from atstake |
| 07:59.11 | simonrvn | Guerin: try something like ar p file.deb data.tar.gz | tar -zx \*some_file\* |
| 07:59.20 | simonrvn | (sorry for the almost repeat) |
| 07:59.24 | xoz | dark_light: or apt-cache search |
| 07:59.42 | caskey | zeeeee: looks like the @stake version is the one you want |
| 07:59.47 | mary | for updates/misc on the bittorrent mirror - lookup blog.sarai.net/users/shehjar |
| 07:59.51 | Guerin | simonrvn: ? how does that get me all the .deb files, the Release and Package files, and nothing else? |
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| 08:00.04 | Guerin | xoz: can I use rsync over anonymous http? |
| 08:00.15 | xoz | Guerin: yep. |
| 08:00.19 | Guerin | sweeet |
| 08:00.44 | simonrvn | Guerin: oh, never mind. i thought you wanted the files in the deb itself |
| 08:01.55 | xoz | Guerin: rsync is i think used in making debian mirror, bsd cvs, etc |
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| 08:03.48 | simonrvn | does svn keep track of file perms and symlinks? |
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| 08:06.09 | daesotho | wow, thanks guys, i have an ugly, messed up x, but at least it works sufficiently to run xchat in so i can actually see what commands you want me to type |
| 08:07.15 | Joris | daemonfan: fyi: there are also console irc clients |
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| 08:08.01 | Guerin | i want globs, goddamnit! |
| 08:08.53 | simonrvn | webdav :P |
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| 08:10.06 | Guerin | wget -r it'll have to be, I think. Which is a waste of bandwidth, but that's life. |
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| 08:10.39 | jetscreamer | in console, how do i start an app backgrounded |
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| 08:10.39 | daesotho | um, what was that question for dpkg again? |
| 08:10.39 | Guerin | i can't see how to use rsync over ftp when I don't have a shell at the remote end |
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| 08:10.39 | Guerin | jetscreamer: foo & |
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| 08:11.03 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 08:11.03 | jetscreamer | daesotho, /lastlog |
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| 08:11.28 | jetscreamer | Guerin, those numbers it returns, the second one is the pid i guess, but what's the first one? |
| 08:12.37 | Guerin | jetscreamer: I think it's how many processes that program is using. I don't really know, though. |
| 08:12.49 | jetscreamer | ah k thanks |
| 08:12.59 | Nurbs | nah |
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| 08:13.02 | Nurbs | it's the job number |
| 08:13.04 | dark_light | i installed the java with the package j2rel1.3 from ftp://ftp.easynet.be/blackdown/debian , and i follow the steps for installing it in the firefox described in http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html , changing the source of the link for /usr/lib/j2se/1.3/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so , so why it do not works? |
| 08:13.08 | Nurbs | use jobs to show all |
| 08:13.13 | quantillis | If I wanted to move the contents (Users, Email, home folders, etc) from one old server running woody, to a new server running sarge... Is there a howto somewhere? |
| 08:13.29 | jetscreamer | hey cool Nurbs |
| 08:13.45 | Nurbs | jetscreamer: fg, bg and such take those numbers |
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| 08:15.11 | daesotho | [daesotho@Pavel:/var/lib/xfree86 ^_^]$ ls |
| 08:15.11 | daesotho | X.roster XF86Config-4.roster Xwrapper.config.roster |
| 08:15.22 | Guerin | ah, nice |
| 08:15.30 | daesotho | note the lack of a XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 08:15.43 | takatumi | how do I patch this? #272248 |
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| 08:17.01 | jetscreamer | coolness. thanks Nurbs |
| 08:17.06 | simonrvn | takatumi: you mean the patch listed there? |
| 08:17.07 | jetscreamer | Nurbs++ |
| 08:17.11 | jetscreamer | Guerin++ |
| 08:17.14 | takatumi | simonrvn: yes |
| 08:17.19 | Nurbs | :) |
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| 08:18.23 | simonrvn | takatumi: start from the line at the first 'diff ' and go all the way to the end, then use patch -pXX --dry-run to test, then no '--dry-run' to actually apply it |
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