| 00:00.00 | zeeble | :D |
| 00:00.08 | pipeline | jcole: Correction, the vast majority of the ISV's *only* support RHEL. Hardly anyone even supports SuSE. |
| 00:00.08 | Error_X | rdancer: Unconfigured fstab for base system |
| 00:00.09 | CosmoDad | spi12: so my list should be all up-to-date |
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| 00:00.15 | Liquid_Tension | stew: where might that kinda stuff be kept, like turning off dpms |
| 00:00.20 | mwilson | jcole: Gentoo doesn't care, they don't support anything. |
| 00:00.22 | xam | Liquid_Tension: no |
| 00:00.22 | pipeline | jcole: alien is a tool to convert rpm packages to deb or Solaris pkg format. |
| 00:00.22 | stew | Liquid_Tension: .xsession |
| 00:00.27 | rdancer | Error_X: you haven't completed the installation. something got aborted because of some reason |
| 00:00.27 | Liquid_Tension | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.30 | Liquid_Tension | wait |
| 00:00.38 | Error_X | rdancer: So what can I do? |
| 00:00.38 | Liquid_Tension | my .xsession? how do I get a permantent one? |
| 00:00.43 | dondelelcaro | jcole: uh... Debian is more widely deployed in commercial environments than gentoo. There are quite a few companies providing support for Debian. I'm not aware of anyone providing commercial support for gentoo. |
| 00:00.48 | rdancer | Error_X: your best bet would probably be to reinstall |
| 00:00.48 | pipeline | jcole: I'm rapidly starting to think you're a troll with your Gentoo ramblings. |
| 00:00.59 | Error_X | rdancer: k |
| 00:01.02 | dondelelcaro | jcole: and even if that were the case, it matters little at all to Debian what Gentoo is doing. |
| 00:01.04 | jcole | pipeline: ya, alien works part of the time... if there are somekind of pre/post scripts, it's not much use |
| 00:01.14 | Liquid_Tension | wow |
| 00:01.15 | directhex_ | gentoo has ANY commercial support? it's a hobby os! |
| 00:01.15 | stew | Liquid_Tension: what would be different between your .xsession and a permanant one |
| 00:01.17 | Liquid_Tension | I'm retarded |
| 00:01.17 | Liquid_Tension | hahaha |
| 00:01.20 | somiaj | any suggestion on softwear for mailing lists? |
| 00:01.28 | zeeble | somiaj: mailman |
| 00:01.31 | initech | jcole: what is your problem with java? just install the Sun jre and be done with it |
| 00:01.31 | Liquid_Tension | no, I meant system-wide...pardon the stupidity.... |
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| 00:01.39 | pipeline | jcole: OK then. Have fun with gentoo, which has no package tools at all. |
| 00:01.53 | FieldySnuts | not true |
| 00:01.56 | spi12 | CosmoDad, isn't it? |
| 00:01.59 | FieldySnuts | but this isn't #gentoo , go ask them |
| 00:02.01 | t0mb0y | while running fsck, i received 7 of these: Error reading block 146964740 (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read) while doing inode scan. Ignore error<y>? anyway to find out what file is at that block ? |
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| 00:02.46 | CosmoDad | spi12: it looks like a release failure as you considered |
| 00:02.47 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: use debugfs |
| 00:03.07 | zeeble | somiaj: there;s sympa and if you use qmail, there is another maling list software available, but mailman is easy to setup and has a easy admin interface. |
| 00:03.30 | schippes | is tcp port 732 used by rpc.statd (portmap services) ? |
| 00:03.35 | jcole | pipeline: i do not want to use or advocating gentoo, i was simply using it as an example of a community distribution that has "worked around" companies only supporting rpm distros |
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| 00:03.49 | spi12 | CosmoDad, probably... passing the -s argument to apt will work.. but I already installed and won't dare to reinstall only to test |
| 00:03.53 | uruboro | Having seen some tutorials on ibm developerworks website authored by gentoo people I assumed gentoo people were somehow linked to ibm. I have no other proof anyway |
| 00:03.55 | somiaj | zeeble: thanks |
| 00:04.17 | jcole | ok |
| 00:04.18 | zeeble | jcole: if you worked or researched a bit further, you'd find out howot use vmware on Debian. |
| 00:04.19 | dondelelcaro | jcole: there's nothing stoping anyone who wants to from writing installers to install whatever proprietary crap you want to install. |
| 00:04.19 | Liquid_Tension | ok, is anything about dpms found in XF86config? |
| 00:04.23 | MarkS | what's the best way to play all movies including wmv? Xine? Mplayer? Totem and XMMS don't seem to be able to... |
| 00:04.25 | Alleria | how do I clear my arp cache? |
| 00:04.28 | jcole | i have found a good start |
| 00:04.28 | Liquid_Tension | or any other plain old config file? |
| 00:04.31 | FieldySnuts | man arp |
| 00:04.33 | FieldySnuts | (as root) |
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| 00:04.42 | FieldySnuts | i think there's a flag. maybe not, though. |
| 00:04.49 | Alleria | I don't see one? |
| 00:04.50 | directhex_ | MarkS, mplayer can, you need some codecs though, the w32codecs package in marillat's repository may help |
| 00:04.51 | yalu | does anyone here use ldap with samba? |
| 00:04.54 | CosmoDad | spi12: you mean the locale-de package don't u? |
| 00:04.57 | yalu | I have trouble configuring it |
| 00:05.00 | FieldySnuts | yalu: hell no. |
| 00:05.08 | uruboro | jcole i think debian people are not interested in working around barriers put up by software licenses. they just go for truly free software. |
| 00:05.16 | spi12 | CosmoDad, yep.. altogether with firefox |
| 00:05.26 | MarkS | where is marillat's repository? |
| 00:05.39 | directhex_ | !tell MarkS about marillat |
| 00:05.41 | yalu | FieldySnuts: why hell no? |
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| 00:05.51 | CosmoDad | spi12: what's your versions, all 0.9.3 ? |
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| 00:05.55 | spi12 | CosmoDad, fetching the binary from mozilla could be your choice ... |
| 00:06.04 | liam | I only get fuzz from my tv card, does anyone know what could be causing this? |
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| 00:06.17 | liam | sorry, fuzzy sound, picture is ok. |
| 00:06.22 | MarkS | I see... ok |
| 00:06.26 | spi12 | CosmoDad, but I am not sure about the locale-support de in recent versions |
| 00:06.38 | directhex_ | liam, sample rate mismatch |
| 00:06.47 | MarkS | btw- whenever I add a source to my apt sources.list, it doesn't seem to be able to use them |
| 00:07.00 | spi12 | CosmoDad, dpkg -l shows "mozilla-firefo 0.9.3-5 " |
| 00:07.03 | liam | directhex, ok, what does that mean?! and where can I look to fix? |
| 00:07.05 | directhex_ | MarkS, ever run "apt-get update"? |
| 00:07.07 | CosmoDad | spi12: me neither... |
| 00:07.09 | zeeble | MarkS: err, what? apt-get update first |
| 00:07.11 | zeeble | after adding |
| 00:07.12 | t0mb0y | dondelelcaro: so just run debugfs? and that should give more info about the short read? |
| 00:07.12 | MarkS | yes... |
| 00:07.14 | spi12 | CosmoDad, all uptodate and good workin' |
| 00:07.33 | jetfire | when sarge comes out, can i update to it from 3.0r3 easily? |
| 00:07.39 | CosmoDad | spi12: I wonder if I can revert back from 1.0 PR to 0.9.3 without much of a hassle... |
| 00:07.40 | directhex_ | liam, it means that you possibly have a sound card set to one sampel rate (e.g. 48KHz) and audio from an app set to another (e.g. 44.1KHz) |
| 00:07.41 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: no, it'll give you more information about what is contained in that inode if you run cat <inode> |
| 00:07.52 | MarkS | yeah, guys I know... I run apt-get update afterwards... but for some reason it always rejects any source other than the default. |
| 00:07.54 | spi12 | jetfire, don't worry apt will do it :) |
| 00:07.56 | Kvant | jetfire, yes, 2 commands |
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| 00:08.05 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: most likely it's just a deleted file or something. |
| 00:08.06 | MarkS | hmm.... screw it.. I'll try this .. maybe it'll work this time |
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| 00:08.25 | jcole | found one, sheesh, looks like this new ubuntu linux includes things such as java 1.5, mplayer, etc. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/j/java-package/ http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/m/mplayer/ |
| 00:08.27 | jetfire | Kvant i will need the CDs right? |
| 00:08.28 | liam | directhex, The card uses a really gay audio lead out, and plugs back into the sound card, so its coming through the line socket. |
| 00:08.42 | spi12 | jetfire, change sources apt uses and perorm a upgrade... I use debian systems.. several years old... also one from 2000 it still is running liek a charm |
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| 00:08.50 | uruboro | MarkS maybe you use the wrong syntax with your manually added lines in sources.list |
| 00:08.51 | directhex_ | jcole, ever read sun's java license? |
| 00:09.05 | dondelelcaro | !gay |
| 00:09.06 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 00:09.09 | Kvant | jetfire, if you don't have a netconnection, yes |
| 00:09.21 | CosmoDad | what's the KDM binary called, just kdm? I installed kde-core but don't have such a binary.... |
| 00:09.27 | jetfire | great |
| 00:09.33 | directhex_ | CosmoDad, why would kdm be in kde-core? |
| 00:09.34 | spi12 | jetfire, sometimes it could be good to update the rcs, too... because of newer syntax and new features.. |
| 00:09.39 | aFlag | what's the best way to install a package from unstable on sarge? Is it getting the package and installing with dpkg or changing the sources.list and getting it using aptitude? |
| 00:09.42 | caphuso | jcole: ever looked at the size of those packages? |
| 00:09.46 | mwilson | CosmoDad: Uh, wouldn't you think that the kdm binary would be in the kdm PACKAGE? |
| 00:09.49 | directhex_ | CosmoDad, if you want kdm, get kdm. if you want kde with all the extras, get kde |
| 00:09.55 | uruboro | ubuntu linux is debian based right? so jcole go for it and enjoy. |
| 00:10.09 | CosmoDad | directhex: sorry not kdm, I mean the window manager |
| 00:10.09 | directhex_ | of course, run ubuntu & you can fuck right off out of here |
| 00:10.26 | spi12 | CosmoDad, you're talking about the user settings? It worked for me.. but 0.9xx gives me some errors... I guess it works! |
| 00:10.28 | jetfire | tung |
| 00:10.42 | spi12 | CosmoDad, I am using both |
| 00:10.49 | MarkS | directhex - do I just make deb-src the same as deb for that repository? It doesn't list one in dpkg's message.. I assume it's the same? |
| 00:11.06 | spi12 | CosmoDad, but not at my word.. being carefull is better that to belief that much hehe |
| 00:11.08 | MarkS | or actually... I don't think I need one |
| 00:11.09 | jcole | caphuso: ya, they're sym links |
| 00:11.21 | CosmoDad | spi12: :) |
| 00:11.25 | directhex_ | MarkS, do you plan on compiling any of the packages in question? |
| 00:11.36 | caphuso | $ ls -sh sun-j2sdk1.5debian_0.14_all.deb |
| 00:11.36 | caphuso | 8.0K sun-j2sdk1.5debian_0.14_all.deb |
| 00:11.52 | jetfire | spi12 but does the kernel update and every other newer package |
| 00:11.56 | directhex_ | that seems undersize, caphuso |
| 00:12.01 | MarkS | well.. I was looking online and it says to compile the codecs... is that accurate? |
| 00:12.06 | mwilson | caphuso: Heh... where'd that come from? |
| 00:12.23 | Golden|Wolf | how do i add users to squirellmail? |
| 00:12.26 | caphuso | mwilson: jcole's mythical ubuntu java debs |
| 00:12.27 | Trev__ | Hey guys, trying to setup a Kodak CX 7300 digital cam -> usb. dmesg shows it being recognized, driver assigned to no application.. Perfs in kde do not pick it up.. how can I access this device ? use it as a drive ?? |
| 00:12.29 | directhex_ | MarkS, no, it's not accurate. are you using a "look at me i'm grown up!" self-compiled mplayer binary? |
| 00:12.45 | mwilson | Golden|Wolf: The documentation doesn't describe how? |
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| 00:12.59 | Golden|Wolf | i can't figure it out in the docs |
| 00:13.16 | MarkS | no... I don't have mplayer installed whatsoever yet... I just was going to use apt-get to grab and install mplayer... |
| 00:13.18 | caphuso | it's just java-package stuff |
| 00:13.32 | yalu | can anyone tell me 1) why Debian does not have an /etc/ldap/schemas/ldap.schema fila and 2) why Samba on Debian does not accept ldap configuration options? |
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| 00:13.48 | mehul | whats the room for problems with debian-installer ? |
| 00:13.49 | directhex_ | MarkS, try adding the line to sources.list, apt-get update, then apt-get install mplayer-586 w32codecs |
| 00:13.52 | felipe_br | updated firefox to 0.99+1.0 and my menu highlight is white over white... my fonts were messed up... I think it has something to do with GTK... |
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| 00:14.03 | directhex_ | mehul, #debian-boot |
| 00:14.06 | spi12 | jetfire, build your own kernel using "make-kpkg" (build debian kernel package)... yep. not a problem... you can use several kernels at one time... kernel matter is hardware matter.. not really a proplem that has to do with X if put DRM a side, since X is running in user-space |
| 00:14.06 | JaMaLz | !root |
| 00:14.06 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 00:14.13 | MarkS | directhex.. ok will do. I'll just skip that bit that I read. |
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| 00:14.26 | mehul | directhex_: Thanks. |
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| 00:14.51 | spi12 | jetfire, but yes, of course you can update also the kernel with a already prebuild package! |
| 00:14.51 | uruboro | well caphuso if you had just stfu we'd have succeeded to foil jcole into installing ubuntu :D |
| 00:15.09 | jetfire | spi12 thanks |
| 00:15.39 | CosmoDad | directhex: I tried insterting different suspicious kde* files in .xsession to startx the KDE window manager, but none work. Which file would I use for that purpose? |
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| 00:16.17 | GarySaved | I use the K desktop. When my box starts, I see the default X-Server is GDM. Should I change that to K ? |
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| 00:16.52 | directhex_ | CosmoDad, startkde |
| 00:16.54 | simonrvn | GarySaved: kde is not an xserver |
| 00:17.10 | directhex_ | GarySaved, if you mean login manager, then you can change it if you want to |
| 00:17.18 | Karhuton | GarySaved: apt-get remove --purge gdm then apt-get install kdm |
| 00:18.01 | spi12 | GarySaved, dpkg-reconfigure kdm|gdm|xdm ... choose your default DisplayManager |
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| 00:18.25 | citral | apt-get remove --purge *dm kd*; apt-get install fluxbox |
| 00:18.35 | felipe_br | I prefer gdm over kdm... and I use KDE... there is nothing to do... you may use kde as desktop and gdm as login manager |
| 00:18.40 | yalu | sigh... is samba 3,0 in Debian testing safe/stable? |
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| 00:18.51 | CosmoDad | directhex_: me fool, thx, that worked |
| 00:19.05 | seberino__ | what is best online free book/tutorial on learning XHTML?? (I hope to never learn HTML 4.0) |
| 00:19.15 | WiFiTux | yalu, 1. that's why is in testing, but sure, give it a try. |
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| 00:19.26 | uruboro | WiFiTux, graphical html editors introduced much bloat last time i checked (some 6 years ago ;) ) |
| 00:19.27 | GarySaved | So 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm' will do it? |
| 00:19.29 | warf | anyone here using madwifi |
| 00:19.30 | caphuso | seberino__: selfhtml, if you speak german |
| 00:19.37 | caphuso | !tell warf -about ask |
| 00:19.41 | seberino__ | caphuso: i don't :( |
| 00:19.43 | WiFiTux | uruboro, it's for my dumb website. |
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| 00:19.59 | directhex_ | html 4.0 rocks your world |
| 00:20.04 | WiFiTux | warf, ask or #wireless |
| 00:20.09 | warf | WiFiTux: they didn't know |
| 00:20.15 | citral | seberino__, there are usually no "best" tutorial, it's like, there are perl tutorials for non-programmers and perl tutorials for programmers, both are good |
| 00:20.20 | WiFiTux | warf, shoot |
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| 00:20.46 | WiFiTux | directhex, is that an editor? I don;t want to use macromedia for my Linux Site... :) |
| 00:20.49 | GarySaved | What file would I edit, if I wanted to just manually change it? |
| 00:21.02 | seberino__ | citral: i'm an experienced programmer who just wants to learn xhtml fast..no baby "how to program" tutorial wanted |
| 00:21.12 | uruboro | WiFiTux, learn html, it's not difficult and it's helpful to understand xml which you will likely encounter (at the worst possible moment, if you believe in murphy's laws) |
| 00:21.33 | JaMaLz | how to get ftp server for debian |
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| 00:21.45 | caphuso | seberino__: and how does being a programmer help with learning html? |
| 00:21.49 | jcole | caphuso: i just installed java 1.5 on debian sid here with that file sun-j2sdk1.5debian_0.14_all.deb, it's just like gentoo though, here you have to download the sdk file manually from sun then run the install script... |
| 00:21.53 | citral | JaMaLz, install one. |
| 00:21.55 | uruboro | WiFiTux, i liked screem html editor |
| 00:21.59 | directhex_ | WiFiTux, i was directing that at the wrong person. as for a graphical html editor, try mozilla composer or openoffice? |
| 00:22.03 | WiFiTux | uruboro, I think I just want a simple editor. |
| 00:22.04 | seberino__ | caphuso: why do birds fly? |
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| 00:22.10 | directhex_ | JaMaLz, install one |
| 00:22.14 | JaMaLz | citral by using apt-get or i search for one |
| 00:22.20 | WiFiTux | directhex, mozilla html editor. deal. |
| 00:22.23 | caphuso | jcole: oh, really, you mean they didn't manage to squeeze the whole sdk into a 8KiB .deb file? |
| 00:22.30 | t0mb0y | dondelelcaro: i ran debugfs -c /dev/mydevice then did cat <inode #> and just states "File not found by ext2_lookup" this is a ext3 filesystem, and i tried a bunch of inode numbers the bad ones and good ones, and all report same info |
| 00:22.30 | citral | JaMaLz, apt-cache search ftp daemon |
| 00:22.40 | JaMaLz | ok thanks citral |
| 00:22.49 | caphuso | seberino__: do you realize that html isn't a programming language? |
| 00:22.52 | jcole | caphuso: dpkg -L the file, you'll see the install script |
| 00:23.01 | uruboro | seberino__, caphuso meant html is NOT a programming language, so being a programmer doesnt help |
| 00:23.05 | avoid | is there a dc++ program for debian, which comes build in a .de pkg by default ? |
| 00:23.10 | caphuso | jcole: that'd require me to install it, and no, thanks |
| 00:23.32 | citral | mmm html is not likely to be hard for a programmer |
| 00:23.37 | jcole | caphuso: or whatever, open it with gdeb |
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| 00:24.05 | caphuso | jcole: i already looked at its contents, half an hour ago, before i told you to check its size |
| 00:24.08 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: try it without putting it into catastrophic mode. |
| 00:24.13 | ark3 | Is running alsaconf the right way to configure sound on unstable? |
| 00:24.16 | seberino__ | uruboro, caphuso: ok, thanks |
| 00:24.40 | caphuso | citral: except that using html exposes you to completely different problems than programming |
| 00:25.16 | uruboro | seberino__, anyway as citral says html isn't a hurdle if you managed to learn a programming language |
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| 00:25.49 | avoid | is there a dc++ program for debian, which comes build in a .deb pkg by default ? |
| 00:25.55 | seberino__ | uruboro: w3schools.com looks like they have good stuff but i don't know if they have pdfs of their tutorials |
| 00:26.03 | directhex_ | avoid, have you asked apt-cache search? |
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| 00:26.24 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: and you are putting angles around the inode number, right? |
| 00:26.25 | citral | let's ask the bot |
| 00:26.29 | citral | !xhtml |
| 00:26.29 | dpkg | xhtml is probably eXtensible HyperText Markup, it's HTML redefined in XML |
| 00:26.34 | GarySaved | I tried 'dpkg-reconfigure kdm', and it says kdm is not installed. |
| 00:26.41 | t0mb0y | dondelelcaro: exact same msg |
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| 00:27.06 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: what is the exact command you typed? |
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| 00:27.15 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: cat <12093> right? |
| 00:27.21 | uruboro | seberino__, i learned html using the w3c specs and seeing the output an html editor. I think there are better ways ;) |
| 00:27.37 | directhex_ | GarySaved, so when you start your pc, after all the disk chundering, what do you get? kdm would give a graphical login box with lots of kde logos about the place |
| 00:27.48 | avoid | directhex_: I will. |
| 00:27.55 | uruboro | ww3c.org should have tutorials i think |
| 00:28.04 | uruboro | ops w3c |
| 00:28.22 | GarySaved | No. I get the Gnome login screen. |
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| 00:28.50 | directhex_ | GarySaved, so......... if you want kdm... have you tried... installing it? |
| 00:28.51 | uruboro | also if you look at w3c.org own html, it's quite well written |
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| 00:29.05 | uruboro | also if you look at w3c.org own html pages' code, it's quite well written |
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| 00:30.02 | Kerr_ | where can i get opengl? |
| 00:30.02 | Golden|Wolf | how can i add users in COurier imap? |
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| 00:30.13 | avoid | Kerr_: from google ? |
| 00:30.16 | directhex_ | Kerr_, that's an open ended question |
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| 00:30.26 | GarySaved | THere are a hundred KDE packages. WHich one would I need to get? |
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| 00:30.54 | dip[x] | I'm on a amd64, if i install deb64 will ndiswrapper work? or do i have to install as 32 |
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| 00:31.29 | kelp | wasn't there a site that archives old versions of debian packages? I wish I could remember it |
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| 00:31.38 | ark3 | Should I be running alsaconf to configure my sound card on unstable? Or is there something else I should do? |
| 00:31.57 | cwong47 | ark3 ya. |
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| 00:32.07 | directhex_ | GarySaved, to get kdm? try "kdm" |
| 00:32.08 | WiFiTux | ark3, what card? |
| 00:32.14 | GarySaved | There is a single package called KDE, but it is already installed. |
| 00:32.17 | ark3 | WiFiTux: It's an SB Live 5.1 |
| 00:32.18 | directhex_ | kelp, snapshot.debian.net |
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| 00:32.43 | ark3 | WiFiTux: And alsaconf identifies the card but fails at the end when it's starting ALSA. |
| 00:32.45 | WiFiTux | ark3, Did you check for OSS? |
| 00:32.49 | kelp | directhex, thanks! |
| 00:32.49 | t0mb0y | dondelelcaro: didnt put the <> prior, now it outputs :cat: Illegal inode number while reading inode 145293363 |
| 00:33.04 | Karhuton | When I unrar a file with file roller, it takes about 15 seconds to start firefox while the decompression is progressing :-( |
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| 00:33.31 | t0mb0y | dondelelcaro: e2fsck reported short reads on these 145293361-145293363 146964740-146964743 |
| 00:33.34 | jcole | i apologize if i've pissed anyone off here... i understand in order to keep open source free, we need to enforce not using closed/commercial softwares... unfortunately, i do not have that luxury |
| 00:33.37 | ark3 | WiFiTux: The only "emu" I see in lsmod is snd_emu10k1. That should be okay, right? |
| 00:33.38 | Karhuton | (Compared to 1-4 seconds start up time when I'm not.) |
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| 00:33.47 | Error_X | is prism2_cs the ISA module for WLAN drivers? |
| 00:33.56 | directhex_ | ark3, lsmod | grep snd into #flood please |
| 00:33.57 | dmb062082 | hey im looking at a debian package, and insize is just two tar.gz files data and control, is this why i can not apt-get install it? |
| 00:34.00 | dmb062082 | is it missing something |
| 00:34.05 | WiFiTux | ark3, should, but OSS has some SB Live support, that is indeed easier, did you try it? |
| 00:34.06 | GarySaved | same thing. It says kdm not installed. |
| 00:34.07 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: hrm... not sure. Could be bad blocks or something on the drive. |
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| 00:34.30 | cwong47 | Error_X thats the pccia card |
| 00:34.36 | directhex_ | GarySaved, what ARE you smoking? i said "install it". "apt-get install kdm". |
| 00:34.46 | Error_X | cwong47: whats that? |
| 00:34.55 | ark3 | directhex_: Is there somewhere else I can paste (a web page)? IRC is on a different machine... |
| 00:34.56 | dmb062082 | apt-get install kdm nothing else |
| 00:34.57 | GarySaved | Sorry ... just a sec. |
| 00:34.59 | cwong47 | Error_X prism2_cs is for pcmcia cards |
| 00:35.00 | Error_X | cwong47: I have ISA to PCMCIA slots |
| 00:35.05 | directhex_ | ark3, fucked if i know |
| 00:35.19 | ark3 | WiFiTux: It's a 2.6.8 kernel; I didn't know OSS was an option. |
| 00:35.20 | t0mb0y | dondelelcaro: thats what im thinking, its an lvm raid, and i did try e2fsck -c on it, though that would lock up the pc everytime i ran that |
| 00:35.39 | jcole | ark3: http://www.pastebin.com/ |
| 00:35.42 | Error_X | cwong47: And in modconf I found prism2_cs, prism2_pci, prism2_plx and prism2_usb |
| 00:36.07 | dondelelcaro | t0mb0y: hrm... if it's really raid (>= 1) you shouldn't have that problem... but then again, I'm not that familiar with LVM's implementation. |
| 00:36.08 | uruboro | jcole, no need to apologize. Just remember that a comparison to distros like gentoo are kinda offtopic here |
| 00:36.15 | GarySaved | that did it! Thanks! |
| 00:36.22 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 00:36.23 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ to paste. |
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| 00:36.30 | dondelelcaro | ark3: ^^^ |
| 00:36.31 | ark3 | directhex_: http://rafb.net/paste/results/B7d5sv29.html |
| 00:37.28 | cwong47 | Error_X prism2_plx is that pci card adaptor for pcmcia card. |
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| 00:37.39 | directhex_ | ark3, what version are your alsa-base and discover1 packages? |
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| 00:38.11 | cwong47 | ircII blows. everything is same color. |
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| 00:38.22 | dmb062082 | xchat rules |
| 00:38.24 | ark3 | directhex_: alsa-base is 1.0.6a-3 and I don't see discover1. |
| 00:38.25 | dmb062082 | just use that |
| 00:39.09 | jcole | uruboro: well, i get he impression that comparing debian to any distro is off topic here :P |
| 00:39.09 | directhex_ | ark3, have you run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade recently? |
| 00:39.11 | ark3 | directhex_: Not recently. Good point. |
| 00:39.30 | cwong47 | dmb... i dont have any irc client on my machines and my friend's sshd server is not letting me in. i am using school's ircII )= |
| 00:39.30 | ark3 | directhex_: Should I also install discover1? |
| 00:39.35 | uruboro | jcole well you can talk about how debian is much better than knoppix, don't ask questions about knoppix installation :D |
| 00:39.47 | directhex_ | ark3, not if it's not already there. is this a woody install you edited? |
| 00:39.52 | jcole | uruboro: lol |
| 00:40.27 | dmb062082 | epihany browser what is that |
| 00:40.38 | ark3 | directhex_: It's not already there. I think I installed this machine using an XFS woody ISO, so I guess the answer is "yes." |
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| 00:40.45 | directhex_ | dmb062082, lightweight gtk/moz browser |
| 00:40.56 | dmb062082 | is it good? |
| 00:41.03 | uruboro | epiphany is the standard gnome browser |
| 00:41.18 | directhex_ | ark3, then i probably can't help, i have no idea how to clean up the mess woody makes of config files, and the missing packages from a basic sarge install |
| 00:41.36 | MarkS | directhex - mplayer has a 386, 586, and 686 (but that looks like it's a dummy).... Pentium 4 would be 586 right? |
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| 00:41.50 | uruboro | epiphany has the same rendering engine as mozilla, the interface is simpler than firefox but i think firefox is better |
| 00:41.55 | p2-mate | MarkS: 686 I would say |
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| 00:41.59 | yawm | ola todos |
| 00:42.00 | directhex_ | MarkS, 586 regardless, these days |
| 00:42.04 | CosmoDad | anyone got a locale to work with firefox? the locale-readme claims the locale will start automatically, but it won't with my FF... ? |
| 00:42.06 | avoid | I would say that too. |
| 00:42.07 | ark3 | directhex_: Updating alsa seems to have sucked in discover1. I'll let you know what happens in a few. Thanks. |
| 00:42.12 | directhex_ | MarkS, 686 and k7 are dummy packages |
| 00:42.17 | kreg | is there a samaba config that says allow connections coming into eth1 or eth0? or something similar |
| 00:42.18 | MarkS | yeah... I saw that |
| 00:42.26 | MarkS | thanks |
| 00:42.35 | GarySaved | That worked perfectly! Now the system boots right into K. |
| 00:42.37 | uruboro | dmb062082, as i said i prefer firefox but the pages are identical in epiphany |
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| 00:43.15 | polm | Can I add BPF Filters to snort using /etc/snort/snort.debian.conf options ? |
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| 00:43.27 | jcole | dmb062082: what do you want your browser to do? if you want basic stuff like browse web sites, bookmark, copy text, etc... it's a good browser... if you want extensions, skins, and all that other magic, go with mozilla or firefox |
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| 00:44.18 | ark3 | directhex_: Same result, fails on starting alsa with "no soundcards found..." |
| 00:44.22 | GarySaved | Should I go ahead and purge the gnome stuff? It looks like everything I need is in K. |
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| 00:44.44 | avoid | ok, guys, I want to know, how can I disable the X server to start automatically at boot ? |
| 00:44.45 | GarySaved | Do you all keep both systems around? |
| 00:44.47 | dmb062082 | thank you, i too use firefox right now |
| 00:44.47 | jcole | dmb062082: i use epiphany alot on one of my less powerful machines since it seems faster and uses less memory |
| 00:44.54 | directhex_ | ark3, what does lsmod | grep sound say? |
| 00:45.07 | directhex_ | !tell avoid about nodm |
| 00:45.23 | jcole | avoid: sysvconfig... disable [x,g,k]dm |
| 00:45.39 | ark3 | directhex_: It lists sound and soundcore |
| 00:45.57 | dmb062082 | dude im going crazy and have been trying to do this for a while apt-get install /home/dmb062082/Desktop/crossover-pro_3.0.0-5_i386.deb E: Couldn't find package |
| 00:45.59 | dmb062082 | but its there |
| 00:46.13 | avoid | jcole: I-ll try it |
| 00:46.19 | avoid | *I'll |
| 00:46.33 | ark3 | dmb062082: I think you want "dpkg -i /home/...." |
| 00:46.38 | directhex_ | ark3 modprobe -r soundcore && modprobe -r sound && modprobe soundcore. you probably have to quit everything sound related, e.g. x sessions, to do it |
| 00:46.45 | GarySaved | Can anyone give me a good reason why I would keep gnome in my box? |
| 00:46.46 | jcole | dmb062082: dpkg -i /home/dmb062082/Desktop/crossover-pro_3.0.0-5_i386.deb |
| 00:46.47 | directhex_ | dmb062082, dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 00:46.57 | dmb062082 | is the de-i foo? |
| 00:47.05 | ark3 | directhex_: Okay. |
| 00:47.08 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:47.12 | directhex_ | GarySaved, for gnome apps when they're better than kde apps |
| 00:47.21 | MarkS | btw- directhex... I figured out why my sources weren't working before in apt-get... I had them set to stable... not unstable... that was stupid |
| 00:47.33 | directhex_ | MarkS, yes, it was |
| 00:47.36 | dmb062082 | whats -i foo |
| 00:47.39 | Guerin | my isp is doing some evil shit, and redirecting all my http requests to a fucking login page |
| 00:47.42 | Guerin | http://chungnam.megapass.net/AAA/login.html |
| 00:47.57 | Guerin | but it's all in korean, and I haven't got a username/pass |
| 00:48.01 | dmb062082 | why wouldnt apt-get install work? |
| 00:48.04 | directhex_ | !foo |
| 00:48.04 | dpkg | foo is, like, the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 00:48.08 | uruboro | avoid, jcole: is that a debian solution? i seem to recall it was sufficient to insert an exit 0 in one script of /etc/init.d and update... |
| 00:48.25 | directhex_ | dmb062082, apt-get downloads & installs packages from debian mirrors. /home is not a debian mirror |
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| 00:48.45 | dmb062082 | ha alright, but i thought you could use apt-get localy |
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| 00:49.10 | useruser | !Mr. T |
| 00:49.10 | dpkg | mr. t is, like, at http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~kljense3/MrTvs.html |
| 00:49.23 | directhex_ | dmb062082, if you go to the trouble of setting up a debian mirror locally |
| 00:49.42 | yawm | you can use apt-get on cds |
| 00:49.42 | Guerin | dmb062082: apt-get references the packagelists taken from your sources.list and in /var/cache/apt/archives. dpkg -i is to install a specific package from outside those lists. |
| 00:49.49 | caphuso | anyone ever "worked" with bluej? i just need someone to tell me that it isn't only me who thinks this piece of crap is a stupid waste of time |
| 00:50.10 | uruboro | what's bluej? |
| 00:50.18 | caphuso | you don't want to know |
| 00:50.55 | uruboro | caphuso, dpkg doesnt want to know either, i guess... |
| 00:51.04 | ark3 | Ugh... dist-upgrade is taking forever. I should remove all those KDE and Gnome packages. |
| 00:51.05 | caphuso | braindamaged "no, you don't need to use an editor to learn programming" java IDE |
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| 00:51.24 | uruboro | oh |
| 00:52.05 | caspercba | i have a question here: i have two soundcards on my pc? can i enable them on the kernel togheter? |
| 00:52.11 | caphuso | caspercba: yes |
| 00:52.37 | caspercba | caphuso: how will i choose one of them to play sounds? |
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| 00:53.06 | caphuso | caspercba: by telling your app to use /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp1 (or the alsa equivalents) |
| 00:53.08 | MarkS | directhex - sorry to bother you again.. you said it was the w32codecs.. the one that says "Divx codecs" ? |
| 00:53.45 | yawm | ls |
| 00:54.00 | paxl | Is there Any tilemap editor in linux ? |
| 00:54.00 | directhex_ | MarkS, apt-cache show w32codecs |
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| 00:54.03 | ark3 | Hmm... How do I make xdm (or actually, gdm) go away? |
| 00:54.07 | caspercba | ahh, ok so i install them in the kernel (not modules), and there will be to dsp devices. So i will have to choose from the applications like xmms |
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| 00:54.19 | directhex_ | ark3, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:54.19 | caphuso | caspercba: use modules |
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| 00:54.29 | ark3 | directhex_: Ah, of course, duh. Thanks. |
| 00:54.30 | caspercba | caphuso: why? |
| 00:54.39 | snvux | Hi!! How can I change GNOME Splash image? |
| 00:54.54 | directhex_ | snvux, ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:54.58 | caphuso | caspercba: because then you can easily change which of the two cards will be /dev/dsp, by simply loading the modules in the appropriate order |
| 00:55.04 | snvux | Tanx |
| 00:55.14 | Guerin | !fuck megapass |
| 00:55.27 | JaMaLz | where i can post somthing |
| 00:55.32 | caspercba | caphuso: ok i'll do that |
| 00:55.36 | Guerin | JaMaLz: at the post office |
| 00:55.39 | JaMaLz | Demo:/home/jamal# apt-get install aview |
| 00:55.40 | JaMaLz | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavai |
| 00:55.40 | JaMaLz | able) |
| 00:55.40 | JaMaLz | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another pro |
| 00:55.40 | JaMaLz | ess using it? |
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| 00:55.50 | jetfire | i try to delete an existing partition on my drive using cfdisk on debian, but it doesnt respond after i delete the Logical partition i wanna use to install debian on. any other way to repartition my disk? |
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| 00:56.03 | Guerin | JaMaLz: does this LOOK like a fucking post office? |
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