| 00:00.03 | simonrvn | (18:58) < simonrvn> --purge remove, or use deborphan debfoster |
| 00:00.11 | simonrvn | read next time |
| 00:00.12 | nvz | man fonts look considerably different in waimea than any other WM on my system |
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| 00:01.31 | LovingIt | Sorry to be a pain, I was in here earlier and someone gave me a handy command to get your dpkg bot thingy to tell me how to mount my vfat partition (/dev/hdb1) and have it available to all users in a particular group |
| 00:01.32 | rich_ | shimo I think it depends what part of java you need to install. But in debian all of the livbs work well together. That means some of them are considered old, but the people who consider them old are the same people who cant figure out why other things dont work on their shiney new libs... life is a crapshoot for them where things just work or not work for no reason. |
| 00:01.49 | Alejandro_ | dondelelcaro, i have been told that you have set up the bot in order to learn things only from some people, could you please tell me how to do that? |
| 00:01.54 | rich_ | shimo In other words, its java thats screwy |
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| 00:02.24 | skel | LovingIt: not sure what they gave you but check out the -o for options on mount in the man page |
| 00:02.36 | Spark | is there a program analogous to xgraph, that instead will draw a graph of nodes and edges, as inputted from stdin |
| 00:02.36 | skel | LovingIt: that'll allow you to set the group/user |
| 00:02.43 | Spark | in various line thicknesses, colours, etc |
| 00:02.53 | Spark | if necessary i can specify the position of the nodes |
| 00:03.05 | avoid | how do I get a list with all the pkgs installed in my sys ? |
| 00:03.17 | Spark | aptitude |
| 00:03.20 | sussudio | !tell Spark about search |
| 00:03.22 | Spark | or dpkg --help |
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| 00:03.37 | rich_ | Spark theres tones of them but they all require pretty good scripting knowlege to get them to draw graphs from stdin |
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| 00:03.47 | Spark | so their langauges are low level? |
| 00:04.03 | Spark | i can write bash scripts and such |
| 00:04.08 | shimo | rich_ i need a development kit (j2se) to programm in java |
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| 00:04.21 | FieldySnuts | heh. java |
| 00:04.31 | shimo | so i trying to install it in my "new" linux |
| 00:04.47 | Spark | im writing some graph tweaking algorithms that label edges, im wondering if its possible to quickly display the results without having to draw it by hand each time :) |
| 00:04.48 | sussudio | !be java barbie |
| 00:04.48 | dpkg | CLASSPATH is HARD! |
| 00:04.51 | nvz | I might even go so far as to say whatever is different about the fonts makes them easier to read |
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| 00:05.13 | dafresh | anyone can tell me how can i "uncrypt" a file with vim ? |
| 00:05.38 | dafresh | i have make a mistake when i have press the X |
| 00:05.59 | shimo | rich_ what does screwy mean? :) |
| 00:06.02 | dafresh | and put an empty key doesnt work |
| 00:06.22 | Adamo | hi im really lost i tried to install kde with apt-get and now theres one og the programs thats failing and i cant remove nor install anything. help me |
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| 00:06.40 | Spark | sussudio: i cant find anything |
| 00:06.43 | LovingIt | skel, the problem wasnt with mounting - the problem was that once mounted the /mnt/hdb1 folder and all folders\files inside belong to root by default and I dont seem to be able to convince them to chmod to a different group |
| 00:06.47 | Spark | the descriptions are always so vague |
| 00:06.49 | carlox | why debian is different from knoppix ? |
| 00:06.53 | Spark | i cant download much either - im on 33k modem |
| 00:07.00 | PerfDave | carlox: Why are apples different from oranges? |
| 00:07.26 | sussudio | Spark: there's your answer then. tried gnuplot? |
| 00:07.30 | deadcat | Spark: my damn modem speed is 14k |
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| 00:07.39 | carlox | :D in a more interesting way ? |
| 00:07.47 | rich_ | shimo Means that it needs libs that either arent so dependable themselves or depend on something else thats not so dependable. |
| 00:07.54 | ompaul | carlox: red wine white wine |
| 00:07.57 | danamania | carlox: debian is a specific set of package tools, packages, configurations and dependencies. It's not -just- the package management tools, which is what it shares with knoppix. |
| 00:07.59 | rich_ | shimo So it screws other things up |
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| 00:08.24 | shimo | rich_, :) |
| 00:08.27 | ElNooboStupido | bob2, are you awake? |
| 00:08.33 | chealer | is there a way to know if a package that was uploaded to sid is intended to go in sarge? |
| 00:08.39 | skel | LovingIt: your problem is what options you mount it with.. again.. man mount and read the -o section |
| 00:08.55 | PerfDave | chealer: What do you mean, intended? |
| 00:09.20 | skel | LovingIt: you can specify which user/group has ownership of the mount |
| 00:09.20 | carlox | ;) |
| 00:09.30 | ElNooboStupido | sometimes when I shut down it says mount / is busy, then when I reboot it checks the drive for errors - how do i find out what is causing this |
| 00:09.46 | rich_ | shimo If java 's licence was compatable with debian then it could be integrated properly, but because its not, the user and other people trying to help the user have to figure out a way. Its not that hard, because in debian you can install it just as if it was slakware, you just have to put everything it needs under /usr/local/* |
| 00:10.09 | nksen | shimo, use gnus java compiler |
| 00:10.34 | baronsamedi | nksen, how easy's that to use? I had some trouble with 'CLASSPATH' or something last time I tried |
| 00:10.50 | Spark | kinnel gnuplot is harsh |
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| 00:11.52 | nksen | baronsamedi, well of course you always have some trouble compiling java with non-sun compilers but... well it works so long |
| 00:12.04 | ElNooboStupido | sometimes when I shut down it says mount / is busy, then when I reboot it checks the drive for errors - how do i find out what is causing this |
| 00:12.10 | baronsamedi | nksen: it wasn't minor trouble, _nothing_ would work |
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| 00:12.24 | ElNooboStupido | isnt there a shutdown log or something to that effect? |
| 00:12.27 | baronsamedi | gcj, trying to compile anything, always couldn't find any of the classes it needed |
| 00:12.34 | chealer | PerfDave: sorry, I'm natively French-speaking, I'm wondering if the package should go to sarge according to the maintainer's will |
| 00:12.41 | baronsamedi | I got a headache and just decided to use the university computers for it in the end |
| 00:13.20 | ElNooboStupido | chealer, monsieur pantalons merdique? |
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| 00:13.42 | ElNooboStupido | rofl |
| 00:14.14 | ElNooboStupido | that was my counter strike nickname when i'd visit her |
| 00:14.16 | PerfDave | chealer: All packages will go from unstable to testing, if they have no major bugs. Since Sarge is nearing release, some sets of packages are being frozen, so not all packages in unstable will make Sarge, but will end up in Etch (the new testing release) eventually. |
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| 00:14.25 | ElNooboStupido | its mrpoopypants in french |
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| 00:14.46 | tnks | hello everybody. . . quick question. . . what are ATM"s |
| 00:15.09 | nksen | tnks, in which context? |
| 00:15.15 | tnks | I don't think it's relevant to me. . . but it's in the kernel .config file. . . and I'm just trying to find drivers for modems. |
| 00:15.22 | rich_ | tnks It might mean something besides Automatic Teller Machine. |
| 00:15.22 | Spark | gnuplot seems not to do what i want... |
| 00:15.27 | Spark | does it only plot mathematical graphs? |
| 00:15.37 | Spark | of the y=f(x) variety? |
| 00:16.07 | Adamo | hey can i please get some help? |
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| 00:16.32 | abrotman | tnks: networking or banking? |
| 00:16.44 | shimo | nksen i must use j2se, because i'm university student, and in Uni we use j2sdk at windows machines... |