| 00:00.14 | directhex | fewer than he'll have with woody |
| 00:00.14 | MrPoopyPants | I love sarge |
| 00:00.14 | Phated | directhex: Hm, true. |
| 00:00.14 | the_ultimate_sam | ... |
| 00:00.17 | MrPoopyPants | I salute sarge, and drop and give sarge 20 |
| 00:00.18 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:00.32 | CloD | let him discover vi modes.... |
| 00:00.44 | CloD | apt-get nano first |
| 00:00.46 | maestro5 | Phated: Hm, he never used a console but has no X11... looks like he'll a buch of probles with both woody and sarge |
| 00:00.50 | CloD | for a beginner |
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| 00:01.14 | maestro5 | CloD: That might be a good advice, one sec |
| 00:01.15 | Phated | maestro5: OK, stop drinking, NOW, and hand over the_ultimate_sam to someone who's NOT drunk... :) |
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| 00:01.50 | the_ultimate_sam | k |
| 00:01.53 | Phated | wombachi: Then make noises at them. :) They should know better... |
| 00:02.00 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Do you have a line which looks like deb http://... ? |
| 00:02.08 | the_ultimate_sam | no |
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| 00:02.13 | the_ultimate_sam | i have blue dots |
| 00:02.14 | Phated | Wha...? |
| 00:02.16 | the_ultimate_sam | and nothing else |
| 00:02.23 | directhex | he hasn't opened the file |
| 00:02.27 | directhex | also remember he's not root |
| 00:02.27 | Phated | Obviously. |
| 00:02.45 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: su to root and then install nano. :) |
| 00:02.48 | ghc | Does anyone know if there are debs available somewhere for the 3ware management software? |
| 00:02.54 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Ok, other idea. log in as root and apt-get intsall nano |
| 00:02.54 | CloD | yes, I agree with Phated |
| 00:03.07 | CloD | no way we are going to learn him use vi on line |
| 00:03.07 | Phated | CloD: Thanks, but on what? |
| 00:03.08 | maestro5 | CloD: Me too :) |
| 00:03.08 | wombachi | Phated good idea :) I hoped I missed something simple, seems not :-/ |
| 00:03.20 | toggle | How might I reinstall a library? |
| 00:03.22 | xam | let us all agree and hug ... |
| 00:03.23 | Phated | wombachi: Wha? |
| 00:03.23 | CloD | your last sentence, Phated, su root then nano* |
| 00:03.27 | Phated | CloD: Ah. |
| 00:03.33 | shew | Phated: The reason I was picky on dselect is just that...one other guy and I both use it on this machine, and I'd prefer not to have a ticking time-bomb with it wanting to install stuff "on it's own". I'll tell him to use apt-get and aptitude. :-) |
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| 00:03.39 | wombachi | CloD just say vimtutor? |
| 00:03.44 | Phated | shew: Apt-get RULES! :) |
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| 00:03.56 | the_ultimate_sam | says nano is the newest version |
| 00:04.01 | Phated | wombachi: Let's not bother with doing a vim lesson as well right now... |
| 00:04.04 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ok |
| 00:04.10 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: OK, then as root, nano /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 00:04.13 | maestro5 | so type 'nano /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 00:04.23 | Phated | It should be easier to use nano than vi... :) |
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| 00:04.38 | grendel | does any one know why is http://non-us.debian.org not beign authenticated correctly ? apt-get update is saying so.. |
| 00:04.42 | directhex | you can use the tab key on your keyboard to help fill in the filename, i.e. /et*tab*/ap*tab*/so*tab* |
| 00:04.45 | the_ultimate_sam | k |
| 00:04.59 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Do you have a line which looks like deb http://... ? |
| 00:05.00 | CloD | it is called "completion" |
| 00:05.07 | bbrazil | grendel: you've got a proxy server in there causing problems for you |
| 00:05.07 | Phated | Rather, tab-completion. |
| 00:05.14 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Or maybe even more than one |
| 00:05.30 | Phated | maestro5: Maybe we should use apt-setup... :) |
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| 00:05.34 | the_ultimate_sam | yes i have 3 http and 2 ftp |
| 00:05.39 | Phated | Woo, crayons! |
| 00:05.50 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:05.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:05.52 | grendel | bbrazil, ohh... ok thanks for the info. |
| 00:06.04 | abrotman | Phated: can we eat the glue? |
| 00:06.11 | Phated | abrotman: Eeew, but sure you can. |
| 00:06.13 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: OK, replace 'stable' or 'woody' by 'sarve' |
| 00:06.15 | toggle | How might I reinstall libc6-dev? |
| 00:06.16 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: OK, replace 'stable' or 'woody' by 'sarge' |
| 00:06.17 | directhex | the_ultimate_sam, one line will talk about security. comment it out by adding a # to the start of the line. for the rest, change "woody" or "stable" to "sarge" |
| 00:06.18 | abrotman | !eat glue |
| 00:06.23 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: -sarge-, not sarve. |
| 00:06.45 | rich_ | Its the blind leading the blind, but thats ok, unix teaches itself. |
| 00:06.55 | CloD | sarge, like the guy in Quake3 |
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| 00:07.03 | Phated | Or Toy Story... |
| 00:07.05 | Xenguy | rich_: heheh |
| 00:07.08 | directhex | CloD, more the guy in toy story... |
| 00:07.09 | abrotman | or the army? |
| 00:07.13 | maestro5 | Phated: Hm, do you want to take over the job so I can lay back and watch? :) |
| 00:07.20 | toggle | Sid! |
| 00:07.32 | directhex | experimental! |
| 00:07.38 | Phated | maestro5: Nah I'll watch. I'd rather not be in the middle when it all goes kerplooey. Also I need to make breakfast or something. :) |
| 00:07.38 | toggle | heh, |
| 00:07.41 | CloD | future! |
| 00:07.47 | Phated | etch! |
| 00:08.00 | akusarujin | is.. anyone.. swift with postfix? :( |
| 00:08.01 | maestro5 | Phated: Obviously, this is the right decision :) |
| 00:08.05 | toggle | lost! |
| 00:08.05 | Phated | maestro5: :) |
| 00:08.10 | the_ultimate_sam | ok replaced stable with sarge on all but the one with security in it |
| 00:08.16 | maestro5 | akusarujin: Yep, but I'm some sort of busy now :) |
| 00:08.25 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: Did you add a # to the beginning of the security line? |
| 00:08.33 | the_ultimate_sam | yes |
| 00:08.34 | akusarujin | maestro5, could you give an educated guess by chance? |
| 00:08.36 | Phated | Good. |
| 00:08.42 | directhex | the_ultimate_sam, good, now hit control and X to quit (it'll ask you if you want to save, say yes) |
| 00:08.44 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: OK, now save your file. |
| 00:08.58 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: and then run apt-get update and watch for errors |
| 00:08.58 | Phated | My, my, aren't we all eager little helpers tonight. |
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| 00:09.11 | maestro5 | akusarujin: Maybe, we will see :) |
| 00:09.12 | wombachi | akusarujin whats pblm w/ postfix? |
| 00:09.14 | directhex | Phated, aren't i always? |
| 00:09.18 | toggle | really how can I reinstall a package that has loads of requirements |
| 00:09.21 | Phated | directhex: Really? |
| 00:09.30 | xam | time for reboot |
| 00:09.30 | Phated | toggle: apt-get install --reinstall foo. |
| 00:09.32 | the_ultimate_sam | says wrote 7 lines |
| 00:09.38 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: Yes, very good. |
| 00:09.39 | rich_ | I'll stay with sarge until theres some program I want that it doesnt have, then I'll install it from upstream sources or make my own backports from etch packages until it gets to be too much of a pain, and then finally switch to etch. Let pain move you, dont you go searching for pain. |
| 00:09.49 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: now apt-get update |
| 00:09.54 | toggle | Oo0h |
| 00:09.55 | Phated | As root! |
| 00:10.01 | toggle | 0htay. |
| 00:10.18 | Phated | toggle: You OK there? :) |
| 00:10.31 | akusarujin | wombachi, the problem is so obscure, the error leads me nowhere. i have found *zero* information on google regarding it (well, USEFUL information, at least).. here's the deal, incoming mail comes in: "postfix/smtpd[8178]: connect from wproxy.gmail.com[64.233.184.204]" then this happens: "postfix/smtpd[8178]: fatal: std_addr_pattern: getaddrinfo(24.129.135.46): Address family for hostname not supported" |
| 00:10.41 | toggle | just a bit of an internal segmentation fault there. |
| 00:10.49 | the_ultimate_sam | ok |
| 00:10.55 | abrotman | is everyone helping sam? |
| 00:10.57 | the_ultimate_sam | but i dont think it got sarge |
| 00:10.57 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: any errors? |
| 00:11.03 | directhex | the_ultimate_sam, no errors? |
| 00:11.10 | the_ultimate_sam | it said stable |
| 00:11.12 | the_ultimate_sam | not sarge |
| 00:11.15 | directhex | abrotman, for some reason, yes |
| 00:11.15 | CloD | aaaah |
| 00:11.23 | CloD | maybe it's in apt.conf |
| 00:11.36 | the_ultimate_sam | i went back into nano and the sarges went back to stable |
| 00:11.42 | the_ultimate_sam | but no there were no errors |
| 00:11.48 | directhex | are you sure you saved with the same file name? |
| 00:11.57 | directhex | you may have slipped or something when saving & quitting |
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| 00:12.08 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: try replacing it again and make sure you really save |
| 00:12.09 | directhex | make the changes again, and be sure it's saved as /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:12.09 | the_ultimate_sam | possably |
| 00:12.14 | the_ultimate_sam | k |
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| 00:12.25 | directhex | it says the filename it'll save as at the bottom of the screen |
| 00:12.26 | CloD | Sam, do you have a file like "/etc/apt/apt.conf" or "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf" or the like ? |
| 00:12.41 | directhex | CloD, you're gonna confuse him |
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| 00:12.50 | akusarujin | maestro5, if you do get some time any information or suggestions would be appreciated; however, take your time if need be, i personally have no clue what is causing it so i have time to spare :) |
| 00:12.52 | Infusium | amd-64 channel? |
| 00:12.58 | abrotman | #debian-amd64 |
| 00:13.00 | directhex | !amd64 |
| 00:13.00 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. |
| 00:13.01 | CloD | directhex : I assume he successfully made the changes |
| 00:13.02 | Infusium | thanks |
| 00:13.17 | citral | CloD: you assume too much |
| 00:13.19 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Is it a fresh install? |
| 00:13.31 | CloD | directhex, citral : ok, I take note |
| 00:14.05 | grendel | anyone knows if ubuntu packages work for debian unstable ? |
| 00:14.06 | wombachi | akusarujin hem.. pblm for #postfix? looks like error is socket-related (getaddrinfo). family means something like ipv4 vs ipv6. strange indeed |
| 00:14.16 | sussudio | grendel: #ubuntu |
| 00:14.20 | thingfish | you know, I think I like debian kind of a lot. |
| 00:14.28 | grendel | sussudio, thanks |
| 00:14.33 | abrotman | sussudio: i'm not sure aabout that |
| 00:14.41 | maestro5 | akusarujin: wombachi is right, this may be related to ipv6 things |
| 00:14.41 | the_ultimate_sam | no mater how many times i save it goes back to stable |
| 00:14.43 | wombachi | akusarujin is it postfix from a .deb or a 'hand-compiled' one? |
| 00:14.47 | abrotman | i'd say .. try it .. but if it goes boom .. don't yell at us |
| 00:14.55 | abrotman | it's highly .. not recommended |
| 00:14.57 | the_ultimate_sam | i do the following things |
| 00:15.02 | the_ultimate_sam | ctrl+x |
| 00:15.03 | the_ultimate_sam | y |
| 00:15.06 | the_ultimate_sam | ^t |
| 00:15.08 | the_ultimate_sam | y |
| 00:15.10 | bwlang | grendel: lemme guess... xorg... i'd expect problems if you try use xorg from hoary... |
| 00:15.14 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Are you root? |
| 00:15.21 | rich_ | thingfish Your not the first one to come to that conclusion. I mean its sort of the reason why debian is so popular |
| 00:15.47 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: run whoami |
| 00:16.27 | the_ultimate_sam | yes i am |
| 00:16.47 | maestro5 | hm, now is the time where hints are welcome. any idea? |
| 00:16.55 | grendel | bwlang, nop gnome 2.8, I tried experimental, but the packages segfault with scrollkeeper-update |
| 00:17.06 | abrotman | can't we just give him the sed/perl command to run |
| 00:17.09 | grendel | bwlang, I had a lot of problems to remove them all again. |
| 00:17.10 | the_ultimate_sam | should i change stable main to sarge main or just sarce |
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| 00:17.26 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: sarge main |
| 00:17.32 | abrotman | change every instance of the word "stable" .. to "sarge" |
| 00:17.32 | thingfish | Rich_ well I have been a redhat/fedora user for so long |
| 00:17.44 | the_ultimate_sam | alright so ib been doing it right |
| 00:17.45 | abrotman | we're sorry |
| 00:17.50 | thingfish | but I finally decided to give debian a try, and man, it kicks ass. |
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| 00:17.59 | directhex | the_ultimate_sam, ctrl-x, y, enter. |
| 00:18.00 | the_ultimate_sam | and the one with the security dotn change that one exept for the # |
| 00:18.07 | thingfish | I seriously suspect this might be the best distro. |
| 00:18.08 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: exactley |
| 00:18.19 | thingfish | I mean, it's supported, it works.... |
| 00:18.22 | nite613 | thingfish: You'd probably be right |
| 00:18.26 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:18.27 | wombachi | thingfish you're so right :) |
| 00:18.30 | thingfish | :) |
| 00:18.33 | thingfish | I love it |
| 00:18.34 | rich_ | thingfish I tried redhat, didnt care for it. But I think haveing so many developers makes debian the best. Also the policy of not dumbing things down helps. |
| 00:18.38 | the_ultimate_sam | ...then y isent it changing |
| 00:18.47 | thingfish | rich_ yeah, exactly |
| 00:19.00 | rich_ | thingfish Its popularity amoung programers makes it the best |
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| 00:19.31 | akusarujin | maestro5, wombachi, i have NFC what this is related to -- everyone has said ipv6 problem so far, i have the ipv6 kernel module loaded and i've installed the postfix official .deb file.. the only thing i could think of is to rmmod ipv6 and try again (would that help, perhaps?) |
| 00:19.37 | thingfish | well, I seriously am falling in love with it |
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| 00:19.43 | CloD | Sam, you mean your changes are not taken into account ? |
| 00:19.49 | wombachi | thingfish I had pblms with RedHat 9 (perl bugs with SSLeay). but previous RH try was 6.2, long time ago |
| 00:19.59 | directhex | someone fix the_ultimate_sam's machine, i'm planning on going to bed now |
| 00:20.02 | rich_ | nite613 I heard sarge has twice as many packages as woody, so maybe not all of them need to survive |
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| 00:20.16 | the_ultimate_sam | ...ic |
| 00:20.26 | the_ultimate_sam | when it says ^t it means control t |
| 00:20.28 | wombachi | rich_ woody 3cds, sarge 14cds |
| 00:20.31 | directhex | rich_, umodpack needs to survive, it's been removed for some reason |
| 00:20.32 | novice | how can i run ntpd? i'm trying to run it but is being executed during a short period of time... |
| 00:20.32 | wombachi | iirc |
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| 00:20.35 | the_ultimate_sam | not type ^t |
| 00:20.41 | nite613 | rich_: Fair enough. I look through the orphaned lists and don't really find anything I've ever used, so its not really a big deal to me |
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| 00:20.55 | CloD | novice : probably because it encountered an error |
| 00:21.02 | wombachi | akusarujin perhaps, just try |
| 00:21.11 | novice | CloD: how can i fix that? or check that error? |
| 00:21.23 | novice | CloD: no messages came up... |
| 00:21.25 | the_ultimate_sam | k its getting sarge |
| 00:21.41 | thingfish | wombachi: I've been with redhat since 7.x and before, so for me, this was a leap of faith. |
| 00:21.41 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ok |
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| 00:21.49 | directhex | the_ultimate_sam, it's refreshing its local databse of which packages can be installed to those in sarge |
| 00:21.49 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: you are doing apt-get update now? |
| 00:22.09 | directhex | the_ultimate_sam, apt-get dist-upgrade will ask dpkg to upgrade every package on your system to the sarge version |
| 00:22.09 | thingfish | in fact, I don't dare tell my friends in #fedora that I'm using debian heh |
| 00:22.13 | nite613 | thingfish: No, running rpm is a leap of faith. Switching to Debian is an act of calm sanity |
| 00:22.25 | thingfish | boy really |
| 00:22.31 | the_ultimate_sam | o |
| 00:22.32 | CloD | novice : I don't use ntpd... maybe /var/log/ntpd.log ? check the dates in the /var/log folder ("ls -ltr" will sort by date) |
| 00:22.36 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Ok. No errors? Then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:22.51 | directhex | thingfish, i'm a paid redhat sysadmin, i run debian on my desktops |
| 00:22.57 | thingfish | excellent |
| 00:23.07 | ruin2it3 | how can I get grub to boot winXP? I have it installed and configured "correctly" ....but it will not start winxp |
| 00:23.17 | the_ultimate_sam | its going |
| 00:23.24 | nite613 | Well, and knoppix when I need a live boot, and gentoo if I'm doing something totally specialized |
| 00:23.30 | maestro5 | ruin2it3: Does it show up in the menu or is there an error? |
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| 00:23.48 | the_ultimate_sam | i hope sarge supports dual monitors |
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| 00:24.04 | the_ultimate_sam | my screen looks so small without having half of it on my tv |
| 00:24.04 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: it does (the nvidia driver does) |
| 00:24.06 | thingfish | I mean I've had to futz but it's all been very intuitive and was easily accomplished. |
| 00:24.22 | ruin2it3 | it shows up in the menu....I tried adding rootnoverify but it didn't fix it....it just made it quit saying unknown file system |
| 00:24.29 | rightmike | how to restart eth0 without rebooting? |
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| 00:24.45 | rich_ | thingfish I started with slakware , its a long story why, but slakware required quite a bit of work to maintain at the time, and it was really embaraseing to have to tell people "thats not working right now because I use linux, I'll fix it this afternoon". Someone told me debian was easier. So I looked at all the iorc channels and found that debian had the most people trying to help. Ive used it ever since, so I kind of see what you mean. I |
| 00:24.45 | rich_ | ts a lot better than the other linux distributions |
| 00:24.48 | sussudio | rightmike: ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 |
| 00:25.00 | maestro5 | rightmike: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 or even better (but for all interfaces) /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:25.00 | novice | CloD: may /var/log/syslog? |
| 00:25.01 | seberino__ | Should SOMETHING be in /etc/postfix/aliases.db?? Mine is empty and I can't receive email. |
| 00:25.16 | seberino__ | fatal: open database /etc/postfix/aliases.db: Bad file descriptor |
| 00:25.25 | thingfish | rich_: yes, I totally see what you mean. I mean, there are 736 people in here, 385 people in #fedora. |
| 00:25.43 | the_ultimate_sam | is it ok if my slave hdd is ntfs or wont linux understand it |
| 00:25.46 | thingfish | and in terms of available packages, - well, there is no comparison. |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | seberino__: #postfix |
| 00:25.49 | directhex | thingfish, size is irrelevent. are they helpful? not a single person in #redhat is useful |
| 00:25.52 | jsoft | 1000M /usr should be fine for a webserver + mysql ? |
| 00:25.53 | CloD | ruin2it3 : what do you have in your /boot/grub/menu.lst file for the XP section ? |
| 00:25.54 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:25.57 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: You can read from it |
| 00:26.02 | abrotman | seberino__: and iirc .. that's fine |
| 00:26.05 | xam | the_ultimate_sam: I'm using a dual-screen setup (GeForce2 with the proprietary drivers and a ATI Rage XL with standard XFree drivers) |
| 00:26.05 | the_ultimate_sam | but not write? |
| 00:26.06 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: But it needs some hacks to write on it |
| 00:26.14 | seberino__ | abrotman: what does 'newaliases' do? |
| 00:26.16 | the1 | the_ultimate_sam: you can write to it with captive ntfs...but things might break |
| 00:26.17 | CloD | novice : maybe, I don't know |
| 00:26.20 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Hm, let us set up you graphic thingie first, ok? |
| 00:26.20 | thingfish | directhex some of them would consider that a compliment ;) |
| 00:26.27 | the_ultimate_sam | lol |
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| 00:26.27 | rightmike | maestro5: thanks :) |
| 00:26.29 | novice | CloD: :( |
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| 00:26.36 | directhex | the_ultimate_sam, you can't safely write to ntfs under linux. blame microsoft |
| 00:26.42 | the_ultimate_sam | just waiting for it to finish downloading |
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| 00:26.53 | idnar | directhex: you can, but only under very limited circumstances ;) |
| 00:26.55 | CloD | novice : you can check, anyway ! "less /var/log/syslog" and pess G to go to the end |
| 00:27.03 | thingfish | somehow debian's got this image as hard to install or too geeky for all but the most hardcore. |
| 00:27.06 | directhex | the_ultimate_sam, if you jump through hoops then it's possible, but it'll break things in 99% of situations |
| 00:27.07 | wombachi | jsoft 1G /usr can be enough, but better be more generous (or use lvm) |
| 00:27.09 | maestro5 | directhex: Hm, you can with the captive thing, but it's some sort of second option imho :( |
| 00:27.10 | the_ultimate_sam | its ok i can move the data to my main hdd (which is linux format) and format it |
| 00:27.12 | thingfish | but it's just real good linux. |
| 00:27.23 | whatever | ok, I searched on the net and found lots of suggestions, but no one has a solid answer. Does anyone know how to bind ...lets say eth0 to card 1, and eth1 to card 2, etc....? |
| 00:27.32 | Garble | hello |
| 00:27.43 | maestro5 | hi Garble |
| 00:27.43 | Garble | trying mIRC usually use X-chat |
| 00:27.48 | Garble | whats up |
| 00:27.49 | rich_ | I heard ntfs support was just as good under linux as it is under windows. Apparently ms caches the changes so the problem happens at a different time, but the problems are still just as bad |
| 00:27.58 | nite613 | Debian has never been hard to install in my experience. 90% of the time I just tape down the enter key and walk away ;) |
| 00:28.02 | CloD | whatever : it should be automagically done by the kernel once the cards are recognized |
| 00:28.11 | thingfish | nite613: lol |
| 00:28.11 | kethinov | does anybody have a fix or a workaround for the borked alsa-base in sid? |
| 00:28.18 | abrotman | nite613: nice hostname huh? |
| 00:28.20 | directhex | kethinov, what's borked about it? |
| 00:28.20 | ruin2it3 | CloD : see #flood |
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| 00:28.25 | the1 | nite613: sounds dangerous |
| 00:28.26 | thingfish | man, install was simplicity itself, using debian-installer |
| 00:28.27 | abrotman | kethinov: ask bts |
| 00:28.31 | Garble | has anyone ever used Virtual PC |
| 00:28.34 | the1 | whois nite613 |
| 00:28.36 | Garble | ? |
| 00:28.39 | directhex | Garble, yes, i have a license for it somewhere |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | the1: need a / ? |
| 00:28.50 | the1 | heh |
| 00:28.59 | directhex | Garble, much better interface, if a little slower, than vmware |
| 00:29.00 | jsoft | rich_: I would imagine that ntfs is far better supported by windows. |
| 00:29.04 | zignig | thingfish: the new one or old ? |
| 00:29.04 | kethinov | abrotman: ask who? |
| 00:29.07 | thingfish | and I mean updating the system under debian compared to doing so with redhat/fedora - no comparison! |
| 00:29.07 | wombachi | Garble its MAC software, isnt it? is it debian related? |
| 00:29.09 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Ok, tell us when the update is over or when it asks you things you don't understand :) |
| 00:29.11 | abrotman | !tell kethinov about bts |
| 00:29.12 | whatever | CloD: my 3com is defaulting to eth0 for some reason, and linksys to eth1, linksys card used to be the only one in there, so it jumped. to prevent this I want to bind them to specific eth names |
| 00:29.23 | the_ultimate_sam | mkay |
| 00:29.28 | the_ultimate_sam | its at 2% right now |
| 00:29.31 | thingfish | zignig: new one, from 11/08 actually |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | whatever: load your modules in a different order |
| 00:29.32 | the_ultimate_sam | so it may be a while |
| 00:29.35 | Garble | direct: I have installed three debian distros and having some problems with the video when it comes to setting up kde |
| 00:29.35 | rich_ | jsoft Yes, Id imagine the same thing. So it was quite a surprise when I learned the truth. |
| 00:29.40 | CloD | ruin : paste again on #flood pliz |
| 00:29.48 | whatever | abrotman: I don't use modules, its in the kernel. |
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| 00:29.53 | locsmif | anybody know how to make a factoid for blootbot, containing a reply with a positional parameter from the botcommand in it? |
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| 00:30.00 | abrotman | whatever: well .. afaik .. you're screwed then |
| 00:30.00 | jsoft | rich_: the truth? lol. And so, where did you 'learn' this 'truth' ? |
| 00:30.02 | Garble | for some reason I can only get 4 bit color (its really bad) |
| 00:30.02 | caphuso | jsoft: rich_ is talking nonsense |
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| 00:30.04 | directhex | Garble, that's a question for microsoft support really, it's a very long time since i've run linux in a virtual machine |
| 00:30.16 | caphuso | jsoft: ignore him, everyone with more than two braincells does |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | whatever: it might be possible .. but i don't know how .. too bad you thought it woudl be fun to compile your own kernel |
| 00:30.22 | CloD | whatever : I'm not sure, but the "alias" keyword in the modules section of etc might help you |
| 00:30.40 | directhex | wombachi, directhex@dib:~$ du -hs /usr/ 11G /usr/ |
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| 00:30.52 | whatever | abrotman: I've been compiling my own kernel for years. |
| 00:30.57 | rich_ | Apparently some people around here prefer windows, and cant be convinced otherwise. |
| 00:30.58 | Garble | direct, Im gonna try a redhat distro for the hell of it to see if it work with video |
| 00:31.02 | Garble | thanks! |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | whatever: well . .then you should know how to fix this |
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| 00:31.18 | CloD | ruin : looks good, no idea... |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | or at least how to use google |
| 00:31.21 | caphuso | whatever: you can either load the modules in reversed order or use nameif |
| 00:31.22 | whatever | CloD: hm, thanks for your help, I'll look into it |
| 00:31.35 | aaronluke | is it true that girls use debian? |
| 00:31.44 | dondelelcaro | aaronluke: obviously. |
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| 00:31.51 | thingfish | yes, and all the hollywood stars use it too. |
| 00:31.51 | maestro5 | aaronluke: Yep |
| 00:31.54 | directhex | aaronluke, it's all lies. |
| 00:31.56 | aaronluke | can you give me some examples? |
| 00:31.57 | akusarujin | is there any way for me to rmmod ipv6? :/ (it's in use by something that i know nothing of) |
| 00:32.00 | whatever | caphuso: is nameif necessary to run on every boot? |
| 00:32.04 | maestro5 | aaronluke: My girlfriend |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | aaronluke: there's a whole mailing list for it |
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| 00:32.08 | caphuso | whatever: yes |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | aaronluke: go use google |
| 00:32.18 | akusarujin | aaronluke, my girlfriend uses it as well |
| 00:32.23 | thingfish | On the next Simple Life, Paris is going to take us through a debian install. |
| 00:32.26 | whatever | caphuso: drat. ok, thanks. |
| 00:32.29 | abrotman | my blowup girlfriend can't type :( |
| 00:32.35 | akusarujin | rofl. |
| 00:32.37 | aaronluke | i need a girlfriend like that |
| 00:32.39 | locsmif | pamela anderson apt-got her big titties, then apt-get removed --purged them again. there's proof |
| 00:32.40 | aaronluke | where can i get one? |
| 00:32.45 | jsoft | rich_: what are you doing with ntfs stuff then? lol |
| 00:32.46 | maestro5 | aaronluke: No, you don't |
| 00:32.50 | jsoft | what a nutbar. |
| 00:32.50 | maestro5 | aaronluke: It's awful |
| 00:32.54 | aaronluke | :S |
| 00:33.02 | directhex | aaronluke, http://women.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:33.05 | abrotman | aaronluke: why does it matter? |
| 00:33.10 | rich_ | jsoft I used it when I worked for the city of salem and again when I worked for the state of oregon. |
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| 00:33.19 | maestro5 | aaronluke: I am the only one which is able to debug her notebook (she's studying russian language) and we don't have time for other things anymore because of that |
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| 00:33.27 | aaronluke | mm |
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| 00:33.34 | supaman | evening |
| 00:33.44 | thingfish | that it is |
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| 00:33.49 | jsoft | rich_: what about when you were on drugs? |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | what do you mean "were" |
| 00:34.11 | thingfish | oh they don't let us talk about drugs on #fedora |
| 00:34.13 | maestro5 | aaronluke: Believe me: Never use too much gdesklets and amor and animation stuff, because women like it and they want linux then |
| 00:34.21 | abrotman | thingfish: fedora sucks |
| 00:34.24 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:34.25 | nite613 | thingfish: It usually causes trouble here too |
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| 00:34.34 | xaero | hello |
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| 00:34.37 | KAeL | hi |
| 00:34.39 | xaero | hwo do i run 2 x servers |
| 00:34.44 | jsoft | yeah fedora is rangi :| I wish I did not have to work with it :( |
| 00:34.46 | thingfish | yes, illegal things, whether one indulges or not, are usually best kept to onesself. |
| 00:34.47 | Garble | Garble |
| 00:34.51 | xaero | !dual x |
| 00:34.51 | directhex | xaero, do you ue startx, or gdm, or something? |
| 00:34.59 | jsoft | who said drugs were illigal? |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | yay gdm |
| 00:35.03 | maestro5 | xaero: startx, then startx -- :1 for example |
| 00:35.04 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: only illegal in unelightened jurisdictions... |
| 00:35.11 | Garble | anyone here using mIRC |
| 00:35.13 | novice | who sells drugs? |
| 00:35.19 | rich_ | jsoft what about it? I have a perscription for all my drugs. Of course I don't consider pot, or coffee to be a drug. And ok, alchohol is a drug, but no perscription is needed, or maybe my drivers licence counts |
| 00:35.20 | KAeL | is there a way to defragment hard drives ? (fragmentation on my disk is 63% !!) |
| 00:35.21 | abrotman | thingfish: last i checked .. many countries have legal drugs |
| 00:35.27 | toggle | Pharmacists. |
| 00:35.29 | dondelelcaro | novice: merc, phizer... |
| 00:35.31 | Nyle | rich_, word |
| 00:35.32 | abrotman | KAeL: in windows? |
| 00:35.33 | thingfish | yes that's true, I keep a list. |
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| 00:35.39 | directhex | xaero, you can use startx -- :1 if you're a startx user, or edit gdm.conf to give a second display |
| 00:35.50 | jsoft | rich_: it is past your bedtime. Go brush your teeth and go to sleep. |
| 00:35.52 | xaero | directhex: ok |
| 00:35.54 | KAeL | abrotman: no, in Debian |
| 00:35.57 | xaero | hwo do i set up my wm on the second display |
| 00:36.03 | zignig | thingfish: have a look at the presseding function of the new installer ( kudos to joeyh ) , its preetty cool. |
| 00:36.03 | abrotman | KAeL: you have 63% fragmented files? |
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| 00:36.05 | abrotman | !defrag |
| 00:36.06 | dpkg | from memory, defrag is the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 00:36.07 | KAeL | abrotman: on my lvm partition |
| 00:36.08 | abrotman | grr |
| 00:36.13 | KAeL | abrotman: yes :'( |
| 00:36.17 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:36.17 | maestro5 | xaero: export DISPLAY=:1 and run it... |
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| 00:36.23 | thingfish | zignig: sure thing |
| 00:36.25 | maestro5 | xaero: If you're a startx user |
| 00:36.25 | abrotman | KAeL: google for defrag ext2 |
| 00:36.26 | directhex | xaero, are you sure you want 2 x servers? |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | or whatever FS you have |
| 00:36.34 | the_ultimate_sam | how does one get to options in irssi |
| 00:36.36 | xaero | yes? |
| 00:36.39 | xaero | i need one to play in |
| 00:36.50 | caphuso | the_ultimate_sam: /set |
| 00:36.52 | locsmif | aaronluke : http://linuxchix.org/ |
| 00:36.56 | directhex | xaero, that really kills performance |
| 00:37.06 | rich_ | jsoft goodness gracious, why is everyone so concerned about my health? Thank you kindly but I recently awoke. |
| 00:37.09 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: I thin with /set or by editing some sort of ~/.irssi, but no idea, I'm not usingi t |
| 00:37.10 | the_ultimate_sam | ... |
| 00:37.16 | wombachi | I tought ext2 was 'balanced' ie defrag was nonsense on ext2? |
| 00:37.18 | toggle | Locale not supported by C library. |
| 00:37.18 | xaero | directhex: how do i alt tab out of games then |
| 00:37.25 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 00:37.34 | caphuso | wombachi: not if you torture your filesystem |
| 00:37.43 | jsoft | rich_: well you are still dreaming. |
| 00:37.46 | the_ultimate_sam | hmm dosent seem to work |
| 00:37.48 | toggle | I didn't mean to paste that. |
| 00:37.57 | xam | wombachi: I remember using ext2_defrag ... but that was long time ago |
| 00:37.58 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: What do you want to change? |
| 00:38.03 | wombachi | caphuso, by dd'ing randomly on /dev/hd* files ? |
| 00:38.08 | directhex | xaero, generally you don't. but it really doesn't helpe performance (e.g. try running 2 x servers then running glxgears |
| 00:38.10 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont want to see parts and quits |
| 00:38.14 | the_ultimate_sam | and joins |
| 00:38.19 | toggle | me neither |
| 00:38.21 | jbr | http://packages.debian.org/defrag |
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| 00:38.21 | supaman | what is the name of the package to install X? |
| 00:38.22 | thingfish | oh hey, they don't let us to B&D in #fedora, either |
| 00:38.28 | thingfish | *dp |
| 00:38.30 | thingfish | *do |
| 00:38.31 | the_ultimate_sam | this is the only irc i dont know how to do that |
| 00:38.31 | abrotman | !tell supaman about setup x |
| 00:38.36 | caphuso | wombachi: no, but filling it to 99.9% a couple of times |
| 00:38.36 | wombachi | supaman: xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:38.36 | supaman | thanks |
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| 00:38.48 | garble1 | hey |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | thingfish: if you keep saying the F word .. we're gonna send you back there |
| 00:38.51 | nite613 | thingfish: This #fedora place sounds kinda bland |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:38.57 | xaero | ok |
| 00:39.00 | abrotman | they probably do work there |
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| 00:39.06 | directhex | supaman, you want x-window-system |
| 00:39.08 | nite613 | ick, work |
| 00:39.18 | citral | the_ultimate_sam: /ignore * PARTS JOINS QUITS |
| 00:39.19 | xaero | directhex: how do i start my wm on the other X? |
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| 00:39.23 | wombachi | caphuso, mm, yes, you can call it 'torture' then. I once got a frozen linux coz / was full |
| 00:39.44 | thingfish | well, if anyone from here come into #fedora, don't blow my cover. ;) |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | thingfish: aren't you using debian? |
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| 00:40.09 | thingfish | oh you better believe I am, abrotman |
| 00:40.12 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 00:40.14 | directhex | xaero, how do you handle your display currently? do you use startx? |
| 00:40.23 | xaero | xdm |
| 00:40.24 | wombachi | xaero: export DISPLAY=localhost:1 ; wm& |
| 00:40.24 | xaero | -.- |
| 00:40.26 | thingfish | but I have so many friends from way back in #fedora |
| 00:40.28 | the_ultimate_sam | kewl |
| 00:40.34 | thingfish | I must seduce them over to debian. |
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| 00:40.50 | directhex | xaero, so you're _NOT_ a startx user, as was asked tie & time again |
| 00:40.52 | rich_ | jsoft So are you the traveling snake oil salesman come to fix all my medical ills? Let me see, I know I have something you can work on. Oh yea, can you tell me how to make quake2 stop forgetting my name so I dont have to type it in at the start of each game before I connect to a server? |
| 00:40.52 | abrotman | thingfish: best of luck .. probably won't happen |
| 00:40.56 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:40.57 | thingfish | I know |
| 00:41.09 | andrew` | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.12 | plusch | Hi everyone. I found a bug in the mailman package when dist-upgrading Woody to Sarge: The new Sarge-package did not install correctly (due to the package-specific "update"-script returning an error). I'm writing a Bug-report. Question: Would this bug be classified as "grave"? (Especially considering the near release-date of Sarge...) |
| 00:41.15 | thingfish | pawns of corporate america, all of them. |
| 00:41.21 | maestro5 | hm, this is going to be a long night... and I shoud do some more packages... |
| 00:41.42 | abrotman | andrew`: which part? |
| 00:41.45 | abrotman | or all of it |
| 00:41.47 | rich_ | jsoft You got a drug to do that? |
| 00:42.00 | directhex | xaero, install gdm, edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and add a line after 0=Standard marked 1=Standard. finally, /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 00:42.23 | JDahl | plusch, yes, if it does not install... that's probably even critical |
| 00:42.27 | citral | rich_: drugs are bad mmkay, and off-topic |
| 00:42.41 | leOn | damn .. shouldn't have eaten those beans for lunch ... |
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| 00:43.03 | rich_ | citral I'll use whatever it takes. If you have a prayer that does it, thats just as good |
| 00:43.06 | wombachi | andrew`, turn off all power mgmt in BIOS, or pass 'apm=off' at boot time? |
| 00:43.07 | abrotman | thingfish: bet they don't let you fart in #fedora either huh? |
| 00:43.07 | JDahl | plusch, but the maintainer will mod your report anyway |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | !fart |
| 00:43.12 | rich_ | :) |
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| 00:43.28 | jsoft | dpkg: lol. |
| 00:43.28 | dpkg | from memory, lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 00:43.32 | thingfish | abrotman: heh no, nor have rich desserts. |
| 00:43.40 | abrotman | !eat thingfish |
| 00:43.49 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:43.55 | akusarujin | maestro5, just following up on before; the problem is solved now, the problem was that i used "24.129.135.46" in the main.cf file instead of "24.129.135.46/32" for a single ip (i suppose it requires a cidr) |
| 00:44.10 | maestro5 | akusarujin: Uh |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | that doesn't sound right |
| 00:44.19 | abrotman | but .. hey .. whatever |
| 00:44.25 | maestro5 | akusarujin: THx, that's good to know anyway |
| 00:44.33 | plusch | JDahl: Ok, it's critical then, sounds important :). Thanks! |
| 00:44.50 | akusarujin | maestro5, just figured that it might be good to know if you ever run into it again somewhere ;) |
| 00:45.02 | maestro5 | yep |
| 00:45.24 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: how may % do you have now? |
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| 00:45.30 | andrew` | i can't modify the bios as i don't have the right type of keyboard hehe |
| 00:45.35 | andrew` | i'll try the apm=off tho, thanks |
| 00:45.41 | RobDollar | whats the keyboard shortcut for shutting down a window in debian? |
| 00:46.08 | *** part/#debian probda (~probda@62.82.57.197) |
| 00:46.09 | leOn | RobDollar: shift + pwr button |
| 00:46.14 | maestro5 | RobDollar: What environement? KDE or Gnome or what? |
| 00:46.15 | leOn | :> |
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| 00:46.35 | vtra238 | hey guys |
| 00:46.39 | RobDollar | this is going to be harder than i thought |
| 00:46.41 | leOn | RobDollar: kidding |
| 00:46.55 | vtra238 | wat is the command for the volume control |
| 00:47.01 | Phated | maestro5: What are you guys STILL on that? |
| 00:47.01 | leOn | RobDollar: talk to maestro5 |
| 00:47.05 | Phated | vtra238: Try aumix. |
| 00:47.06 | zignig | vtra238: apt-get install aumix |
| 00:47.07 | wombachi | vtra238, aumix |
| 00:47.11 | zignig | Phated: snap ! |
| 00:47.17 | maestro5 | phaWe are waiting for the upgrade :) |
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| 00:47.22 | Phated | wombachi: Jinx you owe me a soda. |
| 00:47.27 | Phated | zignig: :) |
| 00:47.43 | vtra238 | oh yea thanks |
| 00:48.00 | wombachi | seems my keyboard isnt so quick after all :p |
| 00:48.06 | abrotman | soda? |
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| 00:48.12 | abrotman | !beer Phated |
| 00:48.14 | the1 | thanks |
| 00:48.19 | the1 | arg...wrong window |
| 00:48.30 | abrotman | we'll take all the thanks we can get |
| 00:48.34 | leOn | this is at least funny ... the php4-imap package in woody doesn't have default ssl support .. but it has ipv6 .. |
| 00:48.35 | xam | bah ... Guinness |
| 00:48.39 | Phated | Ewwww alcohol. |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | !soda Phated |
| 00:48.52 | leOn | priorities ... |
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| 00:49.43 | DerFummler | hello |
| 00:49.44 | wombachi | s/Guiness/Jupiler/ && s/Phated/wombachi/ will make me happy (yep, I'm from Belgium) |
| 00:49.48 | leOn | i could use a pint right now.. |
| 00:49.52 | xam | leOn: well, I suppose since nobody uses ipv6, your imap-over-ipv6 is as secure as imap-over-ssl |
| 00:49.53 | DerFummler | HELLO ???? |
| 00:50.01 | DerFummler | HELLO ???? |
| 00:50.02 | DerFummler | HELLO ???? |
| 00:50.02 | maestro5 | DerFummler: Hi... |
| 00:50.02 | DerFummler | HELLO ???? |
| 00:50.05 | leOn | xam: eheheh |
| 00:50.05 | DerFummler | ahh hi |
| 00:50.06 | Phated | !ops |
| 00:50.06 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 00:50.11 | leOn | DerFummler: stop that |
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| 00:50.13 | DerFummler | i think you cant readm me |
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| 00:50.17 | *** kick/#debian [DerFummler!lorez@lorez.staff.freenode] by Rez (Rez) |
| 00:50.22 | Caveman- | brb |
| 00:50.23 | ElectricElf | Rez: :) |
| 00:50.24 | xam | leOn: just kidding |
| 00:50.25 | Phated | Wow, good service! |
| 00:50.41 | leOn | xam: it was a good one too .. =) |
| 00:50.41 | Phated | \o/ Rez |
| 00:50.43 | nite613 | xam: Caveman apparently uses IPV6 :) |
| 00:50.45 | Phated | ElectricElf: :) |
| 00:50.53 | xam | nite613: me aswell ;) |
| 00:51.00 | helix | eek, too many smileys |
| 00:51.03 | helix | runs |
| 00:51.11 | Phated | helix: <insert smiley> |
| 00:51.12 | abrotman | helix: :) |
| 00:51.21 | leOn | helix: want some bold and colors too? |
| 00:51.22 | helix | trolls |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | helix: :( |
| 00:51.28 | Phated | :) |
| 00:51.33 | helix | leOn: luckily my terminal doesn't "do" bold |
| 00:51.40 | zignig | helix: blehlo! |
| 00:51.43 | Phated | helix: Yeah but it does teal and pink? :) |
| 00:51.45 | helix | zignig: oi :) |
| 00:51.50 | leOn | helix: but does it beep? |
| 00:51.51 | helix | Phated: well, and purple.. |
| 00:51.55 | helix | leOn: no way |
| 00:51.58 | Phated | helix: Oh yes how could I forget. |
| 00:51.58 | leOn | ehehe |
| 00:52.10 | helix | Phated: that's what I was wondering |
| 00:52.19 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam? still there? |
| 00:52.24 | Phated | helix: I have a thing with purple. |
| 00:52.37 | helix | Phated: yeah, a thing where you forget it exists.. :/ |
| 00:52.40 | leOn | Phated: is it sexual? |
| 00:52.42 | helix | "amnesia" |
| 00:52.45 | Phated | helix: Aye! |
| 00:52.49 | Phated | leOn: Meh. |
| 00:52.50 | maestro5 | Phated: This is going to be a reeeeal long night :) |
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| 00:53.06 | Phated | maestro5: Hehe. I am just soo glad I toddled off for breakfast. |
| 00:53.14 | maestro5 | Phated: :) |
| 00:53.14 | Phated | xam: Well duh, BOTH! |
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| 00:53.18 | Phated | maestro5: :) |
| 00:53.24 | xam | Phated: ahh, thanks |
| 00:53.30 | Phated | xam: :) |
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| 00:54.14 | ralf | my debian box doesn't shut down some times |
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| 00:54.22 | Phated | Dude that's a GOOD thing. |
| 00:54.27 | Phated | XD |
| 00:54.28 | ralf | it remains "System HAlted" |
| 00:54.41 | ralf | i have acpi enabled and working |
| 00:54.52 | ralf | i guess it's a script issue |
| 00:54.52 | mousex | help!!! i need to setup a ge-force video card on pa-risc (pci) |
| 00:55.02 | the1 | ralf: ust hit the buton |
| 00:55.04 | xam | mousex good luck |
| 00:55.04 | wombachi | ralf, power mgmt pblm, again. acpi and apm are incompatible sometimes. |
| 00:55.05 | ralf | wnat is a pa-risc? |
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| 00:55.15 | mousex | xam: how come? |
| 00:55.17 | the1 | mousex: do you have fxe graphics? |
| 00:55.25 | ralf | wombachi: ?? |
| 00:55.30 | xam | mousex: it is completely unsupported ... read the FAQ at www.parisc-linux.org ... last FAQ entry |
| 00:55.32 | Phated | wombachi: Dude, spell, man. :) |
| 00:55.40 | leOn | ralf: a type of machine |
| 00:55.50 | ralf | i'm not english |
| 00:55.50 | mousex | raif: pa-risc is a hewlet packard RISC processor |
| 00:55.53 | xam | ralf: it is a processor architecture by Hewlett-Packard ... |
| 00:55.54 | leOn | ralf: some call it architecture |
| 00:56.06 | ralf | "power management problem"? |
| 00:56.14 | mousex | the1: I have fxe onboard, which isn't supported by xfree |
| 00:56.22 | jissay | Is it possible to compile the kernel, then modify a few options (switch some options from <M> to <*>) without doing make-kpkg clean (and thus save quite a long time) ? |
| 00:56.23 | ralf | it's similar to a powerpc? |
| 00:56.30 | xam | ralf: PA-RISC stands for 'Precision-Architecture RISC' |
| 00:56.33 | mousex | ralf: power management, yes, not a script issue |
| 00:56.37 | ralf | Jindrak: try make |
| 00:56.40 | ralf | and then |
| 00:56.42 | ralf | make-kpkg |
| 00:56.43 | wombachi | Phated, ralf, yes, sorry. (I'm not native speaker myself) |
| 00:56.48 | Phated | wombachi: Ah. |
| 00:56.53 | the1 | mousex: I have a pci ATI rage XL pro which someone claimes is supportd...i think you need a kernel recompile to allow it as a framebuffer; I haven't gotten it to work |
| 00:57.02 | epictetus | kpgk is ass |
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| 00:57.29 | leOn | funny .. just remembered i have 2 pa-risc machines in a corner just because some lame ass had the idea to give away the PSUs, since they were "old" machines... |
| 00:57.41 | the1 | mousex: I use the fxe graphics for console graphics and just use X11 forwarding...using an old sgi indy to display the graphics |
| 00:57.48 | mousex | the1: the problem is, whatever card i put in, the b2000 firmware complains that it cannot configure the pci device and sets a "stop" flag to boot (i can't boot) |
| 00:57.55 | xam | ralf: well, what means 'similar' ... it is a 32bit / 64bit big-endian architecture ... conservative RISC design, nothing fancy |
| 00:58.07 | supaman | usb mouse are on /dev/input/mice right? (for the XF86Config-4 file) |
| 00:58.07 | jissay | make-kpkg alone ? or --kernel_image at least ? |
| 00:58.12 | the1 | mousex: I have not had that problem...do you have the latest firmware? |
| 00:58.21 | mousex | the1: 5.0 |
| 00:58.25 | ralf | make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 00:58.27 | mousex | the1: ig uess it is |
| 00:58.31 | maestro5 | jissay: yes |
| 00:58.36 | budluva | ok so i installed woody netinst, how do i get to sarge? |
| 00:58.42 | vinsci | is the security mailing list archive on the web up to date or delayed? |
| 00:58.43 | maestro5 | sorry, I meant superman |
| 00:58.45 | jissay | great ! Thanks a lot ! |
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| 00:58.51 | Phated | budluva: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 00:58.56 | xam | mousex: I'm using an old matrox millenium for my PA-RISC |
| 00:58.57 | supaman | maestro5: ok, thanks |
| 00:58.58 | vinsci | got a spurious security.debian.org upgrade of login/passwd on woody, not reported on security-announce as seen on the web |
| 00:59.02 | mousex | budluva: point /apt/source.list to testing, then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:59.22 | the1 | mousex: I donno what firmware i have...but again..i have not had that pci problem...perhaps your card simply is not usable on this arch....(btw i am on my b2000 via x11 forwarding right now) |
| 00:59.35 | wombachi | vinsci, not suspicious, announced quite recently |
| 00:59.38 | mousex | xam: does the matrox run nicely? |
| 00:59.51 | xam | mousex: well, IIRC if you disable the 'safe boot' option in PDC, then it will still complain, but boot |
| 00:59.54 | budluva | my sources.list only has 1 source, security.debian.org |
| 00:59.54 | mousex | the1: what's forwarding? to another card or to another machine? |
| 01:00.07 | vinsci | wombachi, like today? and not yet seen on the list archive web page? |
| 01:00.13 | wombachi | vinsci, DSA 585 http://www.nl.debian.org/security/2004/dsa-585 |
| 01:00.15 | maestro5 | budluva: add some more then |
| 01:00.24 | xam | mousex: nicely, but slow (its just using the framebuffer device, and it is the first matrox millenium, not the newer G200 or so) |
| 01:00.26 | vtra238 | how come when kde loads it plays this sound |
| 01:00.27 | mousex | xam: safe boot is disabled, but perhaps if I enable it, then it will boot anyway :) |
| 01:00.28 | supaman | laters |
| 01:00.29 | budluva | maestro5 i dont know any, where can i get a canadian list? |
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| 01:00.37 | vtra238 | but when i try to use xmms it says theres somethjing wrong with sound card |
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| 01:00.44 | vinsci | wombachi, thanks! :-) |
| 01:00.58 | directhex | vtra238, because xmms is set to use something other than aRts as its output driver |
| 01:01.06 | ralf | good night |
| 01:01.10 | vtra238 | oh so how do i change it? |
| 01:01.11 | wombachi | vinsci, np |
| 01:01.27 | xam | mousex: but try to get the nvidia working nevertheless (with XFree86) ... I would be interested if you could get it working ... it is entirely unsupported and unlikely to work, however |
| 01:01.28 | vtra238 | if even i can? |
| 01:01.29 | mousex | xam: I read in the video card list for xfree86 that the ge-force2 is supported, using nv drivers |
| 01:01.48 | directhex | vtra238, with this magical fantabulous creation called an "options screen" |
| 01:01.48 | the1 | mousex: I am using another machine...you can forward x11 over ssh or just have the remote machine (in our case the b2k) connect to the server of the local machine (in my case the indy) to render the graphics on a monitor |
| 01:02.00 | maestro5 | budluva: run apt-setup |
| 01:02.03 | the1 | via the x11 tcp daemon |
| 01:02.09 | budluva | maestro5 ok |
| 01:02.32 | mousex | the1: so the other machine can be just an old, crapy thingy with a supported video card? |
| 01:02.46 | mousex | the1: even a dumb terminal? |
| 01:02.47 | the1 | mousex: exactly |
| 01:02.58 | xam | mousex: well, it is supported for XFree86 on Intel ... not on every architecture ... |
| 01:03.16 | vtra238 | doh thanks |
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| 01:03.34 | mousex | xam: so how could I know which cards are supported on pa-risc? |
| 01:03.48 | xam | mousex, the1: I was using that kind of setup (ie. a seperate X terminal) for a long time ... it sucks ;) |
| 01:04.16 | budluva | ok |
| 01:04.16 | the1 | xam: with a fast enough network it isnt too bad |
| 01:04.23 | xam | mousex: RTFM: http://www.parisc-linux.org/faq/graphics-howto.html |
| 01:04.23 | mousex | isn't a connection to an external computer to use X very bandwith-sucking? |
| 01:04.24 | the1 | xam: an no opengl of course |
| 01:04.26 | budluva | so i need to change my sources.list to go from woody to sarge right? |
| 01:04.35 | kingsley | An updated graph showing which data compression utility should maximize your hardware's network transfer speed is at http://www.nas.com/~change/private/best_compressors_for_networking.2.png. Comments welcome. |
| 01:04.40 | Phated | budluva: Yes. |
| 01:04.43 | maestro5 | budluva: right |
| 01:04.57 | xam | budluva: and 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ... or use dselect ... |
| 01:05.07 | the1 | mousex: it is bandwidth sucking...you could also add extra ethernet cards to both machines and have them on their own private network via a crossover cable |
| 01:05.09 | maestro5 | budluva: Change 'stable' or 'woody' to 'sarge' |
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| 01:05.11 | mousex | xam: TFM just says nothing about which cards are supported. It just says that fx-series will never be supported |
| 01:05.18 | budluva | whats a good editor? |
| 01:05.27 | maestro5 | budluva: nano |
| 01:05.29 | budluva | k |
| 01:05.33 | Phated | budluva: Nano, vi, emacs, whatever you usually use. |
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| 01:05.35 | debian | kingsley: great chart, thanks |
| 01:05.58 | xam | mousex: well, it says something about success with some cards ... look in the middle ... read it |
| 01:06.01 | xam | mousex ;) |
| 01:06.22 | budluva | maestro5 ctrl O to write in nano? |
| 01:06.29 | mousex | xam, the1: i bought the ge-force thinking it would do the trick, but I guess it didn't. What would you guys suggest I try? a cheap dumb terminal, a "semi-supported" video card, other? |
| 01:06.33 | kingsley | debian: You're welcome. Can you elaborate on what makes it great? |
| 01:06.34 | the1 | mousex: there are some cards that sopposadly work with framebuffer....i bought an ATI rage XL because several places on the web/usenet said i could use that card...havent' gotten it to work yet...think i need an uggggggggggggh kernel recompile and perhaps some PDC screwage |
| 01:06.51 | maestro5 | budluva: Yep |
| 01:07.00 | budluva | ok |
| 01:07.27 | the1 | mousex: the dumb terminal / extra pc and ethernet option is an ok hack...you won't get opengl with framebuffer anyways |
| 01:07.40 | xam | mousex: well, a semi-supported (ie. Matrox Millenium, Voodoo2 or ATI Rage XL) is good enough for basic tasks ... don't expect that you can watch Divx with it ... |
| 01:07.50 | debian | kingsley: nothing atm, but I were wondering what compression rate yield best result in an encrypted tranmission |
| 01:08.03 | the1 | xam: any tips on getting my ati working? |
| 01:08.07 | budluva | ok awesome, so i went from woody release to sarge release |
| 01:08.10 | debian | kingsley: if only I found this earlier |
| 01:08.11 | garrett_ | nfs problem: can't mount, get these errors: NFS Portmap: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Timed out (on one box) and mount: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive (on another box). machines are on a network, gateway is a linksys router. the only port forwarding i have are for apache, ssl and ssh |
| 01:08.11 | rich_ | the1 my rage mobility pro works great with the 'ati' driver that comes with xfree. try that |
| 01:08.11 | budluva | pretty painless |
| 01:08.15 | mousex | the1, xam: so no opengl with either one, anyway, uh? |
| 01:08.17 | garrett_ | why can't i mount? |
| 01:08.21 | budluva | now how do i install x now that i have sarge? |
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| 01:08.29 | the1 | mousex: no |
| 01:08.35 | maestro5 | budluva: Did you run both apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:08.36 | the1 | rich_: on a b2000? |
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| 01:08.49 | xam | the1: well, I also have a ATI Rage XL laying around, but I haven't tested it with 2.6 ... I've heard some comments that with 2.6 they broke the initialization routing |
| 01:08.51 | budluva | apt-get dist-upgrade is running right now, 3 mins left to dl all packages |
| 01:09.02 | rich_ | the1 no, fujitsu lifebook e series |
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| 01:09.04 | Phated | budluva: Yay. |
| 01:09.08 | maestro5 | budluva: OK. What graphics thingie do you have? |
| 01:09.11 | budluva | Phated yeah |
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| 01:09.15 | maestro5 | budluva: Sorry. What graphics card do you have? |
| 01:09.24 | budluva | maestro5 an onboard s3 savage |
| 01:09.26 | Phated | maestro5: Graphics "thingie"? :) |
| 01:09.37 | the1 | xam: I switched back from 2.6 to 2.4 to get an extra scsi disk working anyways...i might try the card again |
| 01:09.39 | maestro5 | Phated: Well yes. I'm confused now |
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| 01:09.42 | budluva | uses the kt133 module or something i think, thats what fedora used to detect anyway |
| 01:09.43 | sun_ | anyone get dogtato avi to work with mplayer/aviplay/gxine/anything |
| 01:09.44 | mousex | the1: would be cheaper to find an old matrox, or a dumb terminal that can work with linux/xfree86? |
| 01:09.51 | Phated | maestro5: Haha. How is the_ultimate_sam doing, by the way? |
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| 01:10.08 | xam | mousex: nope. Unless you can get an newer ATI or NVidia working with the XFree server ... even then the OpenGL h/w support will be rather slow compared to the proprietary ix86 drivers |
| 01:10.34 | the1 | mousex: i bet a dumb terminal would cost more then just using an old pc as a dumb terminal |
| 01:10.35 | xam | mousex: I got my matrox for $5 |
| 01:10.42 | budluva | maestro5 s3 prosavage8 to be exact |
| 01:10.47 | leOn | yay! ... i have php4-imap with ssl on woody |
| 01:10.57 | the1 | mousex: old matrox and ati cards are cheep too...but again..getting ti to work can be a pain |
| 01:11.08 | maestro5 | Phated: I didn't hear anything for long time now... I thing he still is stuck within dist-upgrade... seems to be a slow network :) |
| 01:11.16 | leOn | now i just need libnss-ldap and libpam-ldap .. geesh |
| 01:11.19 | maestro5 | budluva: Ok |
| 01:11.23 | mousex | xam: I saw a matrox for $7 with 4MB RAM; why did I buy the ge-froce instead?!!!! |
| 01:11.34 | sussudio | !ep |
| 01:11.35 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:11.36 | the1 | rich_: cool platform btw....sparc/pa-risc laptops are |337 :-) |
| 01:11.42 | budluva | i have to configure debconf now |
| 01:11.56 | Phated | maestro5: Heh. |
| 01:12.02 | mousex | the1, xam: wait, so even if I get a matrox, there's no guarantee that it'll work? |
| 01:12.09 | xam | mousex: hehe. Well, perhaps you can get it working ... some time in the future perhaps |
| 01:12.23 | maestro5 | budluva: Ok |
| 01:12.26 | xam | mousex: I know at least 2 other people who use a matrox |
| 01:12.30 | maestro5 | budluva: apt-get intsall x-window-system |
| 01:12.41 | xam | mousex: I've a C3000, which is the bigger brother to the B2000 |
| 01:12.43 | maestro5 | budluva: And some more things, for example fvwm or gnome-core |
| 01:12.50 | rich_ | the1 mines a p3 |
| 01:12.51 | Phated | XFCE4! |
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| 01:13.03 | sussudio | BDRGWM |
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| 01:13.16 | Phated | xam: Well now you know three. :) |
| 01:13.23 | mousex | xam: what resolution can you get with that? (pixels) |
| 01:13.25 | the1 | rich_:o...thats something different then...i can definitly get old ati cards working on x86.... |
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| 01:13.37 | maestro5 | Phated: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~mweyland/wetterfrosch.jpg http://wigwam.lugs.ch/~hal/root.jpeg |
| 01:13.40 | budluva | ok, so apt-get install x-window-system and gnome-core is all ill need? then how do i start it? or do i have to configure it first? |
| 01:13.45 | rich_ | the1 I knew I wanted debian and therefore went with the processor type that debian has the best support for. |
| 01:13.46 | xam | mousex: the voodoo2 also works, but the max. resolution is only 1024x768, and the video-output is sub-optimal (compared to that of the matrox) |
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| 01:14.00 | maestro5 | budluva: debconf will ask you some things about your hardware |
| 01:14.16 | maestro5 | budluva: you can install gdm as well, this provides graphical login |
| 01:14.34 | mousex | xam: is the max res of matrox c3000 also 1024x768? |
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| 01:14.37 | maestro5 | budluva: And use the environment you like, no one forces you to use gnome |
| 01:14.52 | Phated | Isn't your res more dependent on your monitor than you card? |
| 01:14.57 | Phated | your* |
| 01:15.02 | mousex | Phated: got a nice monitor |
| 01:15.09 | Phated | mousex: Lucky thing. |
| 01:15.16 | the1 | rich_: x86 is definitly more practical and has a better price to performance rate, but pa-risc is a cool platform too (lotts of cache, downward growing stack, 64-bit, etc) |
| 01:15.19 | xam | mousex: I'm have 8MB, using 1280x1024 (16bit, since it is faster than in 24bit mode) |
| 01:15.45 | Phated | I'm on 1024X768, 24-bit, also 8MB. |
| 01:15.59 | budluva | maestro5 no i used gnome when i was using fedora, and gdm is the package name for graphical boot? |
| 01:16.01 | xam | mousex: I could use up to 1600x1200 (perhaps even more), but the monitor is just a 17" |
| 01:16.07 | budluva | err graphical login |
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| 01:16.12 | maestro5 | budluva: for graphical login |
| 01:16.13 | Phated | budluva: Yes. |
| 01:16.17 | maestro5 | budluva: Exactley |
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| 01:16.23 | mousex | xam, the1, Phated: I gess I'll just return the ge-force -- or eBay it ;) -- and get the $7 matrox . . . |
| 01:16.28 | Phated | mousex: Yep. |
| 01:16.32 | jme | any idea when firefox 1.0 will be in sid? |
| 01:16.39 | Phated | maestro5: Schweet. How do you get the panel on the left? |
| 01:16.49 | jme | or is asking such questions frowned upon |
| 01:17.01 | maestro5 | Phated: That xosview-like thing? |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | !when will firefox1.0 be ready |
| 01:17.04 | kethinov | how do i apply the patch on bugs.debian.org for the borked alsa base? (279588) |
| 01:17.04 | Phated | jme: Kind of, but it should be in soon. |
| 01:17.05 | mousex | THANKS! :-) |
| 01:17.10 | abrotman | !when will firefox1.0 be released |
| 01:17.11 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tarot cards... ok, firefox1.0 should be out by Easter. |
| 01:17.13 | the1 | jme: when it is done? (isn't that the OSS answer?) |
| 01:17.19 | abrotman | jme: honestly . when it's ready |
| 01:17.21 | jme | the1: heh :P |
| 01:17.26 | Phated | maestro5: Yeah, the one where you have your CPU temp and stuff? |
| 01:17.30 | jme | abrotman: well duh ;) |
| 01:17.33 | Phated | the1: Er, it IS done. :) |
| 01:17.40 | mousex | !when will sarge be released? |
| 01:17.40 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tarot cards... ok, sarge should be out by Easter. |
| 01:17.42 | maestro5 | Phated: This is gdesklets |
| 01:17.43 | Phated | jme: Soon. :) |
| 01:17.51 | abrotman | jme: i would assume the maintainer is working on it |
| 01:17.55 | Phated | maestro5: Nice... What wm is this? |
| 01:17.56 | the1 | Phated: firefox is done...that debian switch is not done |
| 01:17.59 | jme | abrotman: i assumed that too |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | jme: and some ass probably already filed such a bug |
| 01:18.02 | budluva | maestro5 ok just running apt on x |
| 01:18.05 | jme | abrotman: haha |
| 01:18.07 | maestro5 | Phated: Just as the map of switzerland on the right which I made myself... it shows raind |
| 01:18.08 | maestro5 | rain |
| 01:18.12 | Phated | the1: I was referring to FF. :) |
| 01:18.16 | Phated | maestro5: Oooo. |
| 01:18.16 | maestro5 | Phated: fvwm |
| 01:18.21 | mousex | is most software in sarge x86 also availible for hppa? |
| 01:18.25 | Phated | maestro5: Ah. |
| 01:18.40 | budluva | maestro5 ok, so im new to debian, so this might sound dumb, but ctrl, f1-f2-f3-f4-f4-f5 are all different "windows" |
| 01:18.41 | xam | mousex: yes |
| 01:18.43 | budluva | ??? |
| 01:18.44 | the1 | mousex: most, not all |
| 01:18.45 | Phated | maestro5: Man, you have way too much time to put into your desktop. :) |
| 01:18.59 | maestro5 | budluva: These are the different virtual consoles |
| 01:19.01 | budluva | err f1-f6 |
| 01:19.04 | budluva | ok |
| 01:19.04 | the1 | mousex: I actually run unstable |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | jme: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=280449 |
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| 01:19.19 | abrotman | jme: see .. some ass filed a bug |
| 01:19.34 | mousex | how about bttv drivers for hppa? (tv capture) are they availible, or only for x86? |
| 01:19.38 | jme | maestro5: that's a nice looking desktop |
| 01:19.39 | maestro5 | budluva: the graphical session(s) will be on f7(+), and you switch with alt-f#, and ctrl-alt-f# if you are in X |
| 01:19.40 | mousex | . . . and xawtv |
| 01:19.47 | xam | the1: brave man ... running unstable on hppa is risky sometimes |
| 01:19.49 | PerfDave | mousex: You could look on packages.debian.org :) |
| 01:19.53 | brian | I am trying to install network drivers for my centrino laptop |
| 01:19.55 | mousex | :) |
| 01:20.01 | the1 | xam: and its a public shell box! |
| 01:20.02 | xam | mousex: well, bttv is in the kernel ... |
| 01:20.03 | jme | i'm just using boring old kde with some random background and a transparent gkrellm |
| 01:20.06 | jme | :) |
| 01:20.07 | brian | i got drivers from intel..but am not sure how to install them |
| 01:20.11 | Phated | maestro5: -Very- nice desktop. |
| 01:20.13 | maestro5 | god, everyone wants to know in private messages how i made that transparent titlebars... one second, I'm looking it up |
| 01:20.17 | PerfDave | brian: You're doomed :) |
| 01:20.17 | xam | mousex: I'm using bttv on my DEC AlphaStation |
| 01:20.20 | brian | haha |
| 01:20.25 | Phated | maestro5: Yeah I want to know too. :) |
| 01:20.25 | maestro5 | jme, phax: Big thx |
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| 01:20.41 | brian | PerfDave: serious?..is it that big of a problem? |
| 01:20.42 | maestro5 | Actually, I toook the fvwm-crystal theme and changed some things |
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| 01:20.50 | jme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:20.53 | mousex | xam: were you at some point a unix user? dec alpha, sun, hpux, . . . |
| 01:20.53 | jme | :) |
| 01:20.58 | Phated | So the theme starts transparent? |
| 01:21.01 | Phated | maestro5: ^ |
| 01:21.19 | the_ultimate_sam | ...supose i was looking for my slave hdd where would i most likely find it? |
| 01:21.21 | xam | mousex: yes |
| 01:21.21 | abrotman | they should just kill all bugs that are "new upstream .. please package" |
| 01:21.31 | mousex | xam: that explains your equipment :) |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | i mean . they are the maintainers .. you think they'd know |
| 01:21.35 | xam | mousex: I started with unix (SunOS and HP-UX) |
| 01:21.47 | jme | the_ultimate_sam: possibly /dev/hdb |
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| 01:22.00 | xam | mousex: and also Ultrix, Irix and later Tru64 |
| 01:22.11 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: how many % do you have now? |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | IRIX! |
| 01:22.20 | mousex | xam: my first glance at unix was two weeks ago when I got this b2000. It seemed faster and more stable than linux, but the CDE is way too ugly! |
| 01:22.25 | the1 | hella ya IRIX |
| 01:22.30 | jme | VAX |
| 01:22.50 | mousex | IRIX=SCO??? |
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| 01:22.53 | the1 | no |
| 01:22.55 | jme | ... |
| 01:22.55 | the1 | sgi |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | mousex: no .. sgi |
| 01:22.59 | mousex | uh |
| 01:23.00 | the_ultimate_sam | permission denied? |
| 01:23.06 | the_ultimate_sam | 38% |
| 01:23.16 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ok |
| 01:23.20 | xam | mousex: well, the actuall speed difference is not too bad, I'd suppose somewhere around 5-10% |
| 01:23.26 | the1 | HP_UX is ok...but there is less ported software and package management is broken |
| 01:23.35 | the_ultimate_sam | guess i cant access my slave drive |
| 01:23.41 | mousex | !confuse the_ultimate_sam |
| 01:23.42 | dpkg | No, them are their weasel today, the_ultimate_sam? trousers of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra ham |
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| 01:23.55 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: You probably need to mount it, blah blah... |
| 01:24.00 | mousex | :) |
| 01:24.04 | novice | how can i do to load a pcmcia(flash memory) to format it? |
| 01:24.04 | the_ultimate_sam | o |
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| 01:24.09 | jharrison | anyone here running athlon 64? |
| 01:24.11 | the1 | xam: i have noticed a slowdown particularly for encryption...i blame gcc not linux though |
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| 01:24.14 | the_ultimate_sam | ill do that when i get sarge |
| 01:24.17 | the_ultimate_sam | lol |
| 01:24.20 | jme | jharrison: not yet, soon hopefully |
| 01:24.21 | abrotman | jharrison: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:24.28 | xam | mousex: and the gap is getting smaller ... the only thing is the 'feel' ... there are no optimized graphic drivers, and the machine just feels sluggish |
| 01:24.28 | jharrison | abrotman: im aware of the channel |
| 01:24.31 | jsoft | does debian have drivers for controlling inter-contenental baillistic missiles? |
| 01:24.32 | the_ultimate_sam | dpkg:iv been saying that for years |
| 01:24.32 | dpkg | the_ultimate_sam: bugger all, i dunno |
| 01:24.34 | mousex | xam: I did notice a faster encryption in hpux . . . |
| 01:24.35 | abrotman | jharrison: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:24.43 | jme | !stab abrotman |
| 01:24.45 | jharrison | im wondering if anyone would recommend a chasis |
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| 01:24.57 | jharrison | !destroy abrotman |
| 01:25.01 | abrotman | jharrison: does it really matter? .. i mean .. as long as your PS is big enough? |
| 01:25.08 | the_ultimate_sam | hmm |
| 01:25.12 | the_ultimate_sam | he is a bot |
| 01:25.13 | jharrison | abrotman: ok |
| 01:25.15 | xam | mousex: yes, encryption is faster, since we haven't ported the 64bit/128bit floating point libs to parisc-linux yet ;) |
| 01:25.15 | mousex | is hpux still supported, or being developed? |
| 01:25.16 | the_ultimate_sam | is he an mirc bot? |
| 01:25.16 | the1 | my PS is bigger than yours |
| 01:25.18 | jharrison | nevermind |
| 01:25.19 | jme | jharrison: are you looking for flashy, or cheap? |
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| 01:25.22 | abrotman | jharrison: are you building from scratch? |
| 01:25.27 | the_ultimate_sam | or is there another irc that can make scripts |
| 01:25.31 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: Not mIRC, but he's a blootbot. |
| 01:25.31 | jharrison | jme: I dont care about flashy and I dont care about cheap |
| 01:25.46 | jharrison | jme: all I care about is something that does the job well |
| 01:25.47 | the_ultimate_sam | bloot? |
| 01:25.49 | the1 | hpux is being supported..sun claims hp will let it die |
| 01:25.50 | jme | jharrison: i'm going to be getting one of those thermaltake black xaser III cases |
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| 01:25.53 | garble | hello, im a debian newbie and a linux ametuar (and a horrible speller) I was told that you could simply apt-get install a package and vavoom it got all dependencies and just worked, that doesn't seem to be the case, can anyone help? |
| 01:25.57 | jme | jharrison: i'll find a link, sec |
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| 01:26.02 | jharrison | jme: too flashy |
| 01:26.07 | jharrison | jme: I know the case you are speaking of |
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| 01:26.15 | xam | mousex: it is on the TODO list of some people, but first the legal issues with HP have to be agreed upon (license etc.) |
| 01:26.15 | jharrison | jme: I was thinking of a sonata |
| 01:26.16 | the_ultimate_sam | i guess u cant expect too many mirc's in a linux chan |
| 01:26.17 | jme | jharrison: ah |
| 01:26.18 | maestro5 | ok |
| 01:26.19 | cafuego | garble: Howso does it not seem to be the case? |
| 01:26.19 | wombachi | garble, describe your pblm |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | garble: are you using debian? |
| 01:26.25 | mousex | garple: what are you installing? |
| 01:26.27 | jme | jharrison: those are good too, you might consider a slk3700amb as well |
| 01:26.28 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: mIRC is not IRC itself... |
| 01:26.34 | jme | jharrison: (which is what i'm using now) |
| 01:26.37 | the_ultimate_sam | i know |
| 01:26.42 | the_ultimate_sam | its an irc client |
| 01:26.43 | the1 | garble: apt-get update first |
| 01:26.49 | garble | for example....I have base Debian install and configure my apt souces..... |
| 01:26.54 | jme | Phated: you mean AOL isn't the internet??????????? |
| 01:26.59 | the_ultimate_sam | its the only one i know for know |
| 01:27.01 | jharrison | jme: true |
| 01:27.02 | the_ultimate_sam | now* |
| 01:27.05 | xam | mousex,the1: so right now Linux/PA is not really optimized for floating points ... |
| 01:27.08 | maestro5 | Phated: Ok |
| 01:27.15 | garble | I apt-get install kde and kde doesn't just appear |
| 01:27.15 | maestro5 | Phated: It's done with a colorset |
| 01:27.16 | mousex | So if HP-UX is still "developed," then there are no chances that HP will give out drivers for fx cards, right? |
| 01:27.17 | jme | Phated: i'm only kidding ;) |
| 01:27.22 | jharrison | abrotman: so when I build my athlon64 box am I going to have to move to #debian-amd64? |
| 01:27.22 | garble | I know now I need x first |
| 01:27.26 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: Er, no... You know irssi and xchat or someting... |
| 01:27.28 | the_ultimate_sam | ...u think halo would run in wine? |
| 01:27.28 | abrotman | jharrison: why? |
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| 01:27.34 | Phated | maestro5: Eh? |
| 01:27.36 | phogg | the_ultimate_sam: do not under any circumstances attempt to extend blootbot. It has driven more than a few insane. |
| 01:27.36 | cafuego | @0| hasn't been the internet since CompuServe arrived |
| 01:27.38 | maestro5 | Phated: RootTransparent and tint and stuff like that |
| 01:27.41 | jharrison | abrotman: cause ive upgraded |
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| 01:27.43 | the_ultimate_sam | well iv used irssi and xchat |
| 01:27.43 | maestro5 | Phated: The transparent menus |
| 01:27.44 | garble | but how do I always know for packages im un farmiliar with |
| 01:27.52 | the1 | mousex: hp used to be fairly OSS friendly...i think bruce parens worked for them...recently they have been less so |
| 01:27.54 | abrotman | jharrison: you're still running debian . dunno how amd64 is an upgrade? |
| 01:27.56 | jme | cafuego: hehe |
| 01:27.57 | jharrison | abrotman: its kinda like moving from primary school to highschool |
| 01:27.59 | jharrison | :-P |
| 01:28.03 | the_ultimate_sam | sounds like a chalenge |
| 01:28.03 | xam | mousex: yes, very unlikely ... furthermore I've heard HP does not have all patents on it and couldn't release the drivers even if it wanted to |
| 01:28.09 | jme | jharrison: <cheap shot> |
| 01:28.09 | garble | thats it....anyone? |
| 01:28.12 | the_ultimate_sam | mirc ceased to be a chalenge |
| 01:28.15 | jharrison | jme: :) |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | jharrison: it's like .. uhm .. sparc,ppc,alpha,mips .. you mean you're catching up :) |
| 01:28.18 | jme | jharrison: hehe |
| 01:28.34 | Phated | maestro5: Meh if I want my transparent menus back I'll use fluxbox. :) But OK, I'll check out fvwm sometime... got a nice long vacation coming up in two weeks. |
| 01:28.36 | phogg | the_ultimate_sam: everybody knows that bitchx is t3h bes+ irc |
| 01:28.39 | mousex | ANYONE wanna hack some fxe's??? sounds like fun |
| 01:28.41 | jharrison | abrotman: no but the minute I asked about amd64 you are saying #debian-amd64 |
| 01:28.42 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: Let's work on your spelling. |
| 01:28.45 | garble | the1, I have done that...thx |
| 01:28.47 | the1 | xam: ..btw....intiger operations like crypto are slower in linux than in hpux too tho |
| 01:28.50 | jharrison | abrotman: so I figured I would have to move or something |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | jharrison: because i figured you were having an issue :) |
| 01:29.01 | jharrison | abrotman: well I was NOT |
| 01:29.01 | maestro5 | jme, Phated: The best thing you can do if you want to know I suggest to look at the crystal-fvwm theme, I use the same setup |
| 01:29.04 | the_ultimate_sam | keh i dont screw with my spelling unless it matters |
| 01:29.10 | the_ultimate_sam | like for comands |
| 01:29.18 | jme | maestro5: i figured as much |
| 01:29.27 | jme | maestro5: i've seen some pretty nice fvwm setups |
| 01:29.32 | Phated | I give up on him. Anyone who doesn't give a shit about spelling is semi-off. |
| 01:29.35 | brian | how do I update my kernel using apt-get ? |
| 01:29.37 | jme | maestro5: one in particular i can find, sec |
| 01:29.37 | Phated | maestro5: Awesome, thanks. :) |
| 01:29.42 | xam | the1: what kernel/gcc are you using? with gcc-3.5 some interesting optimizations have been introduced that could change things ... will take a while however until it is in testing/unstable |
| 01:29.43 | garble | wambaci, did u get all that |
| 01:29.57 | maestro5 | Phated: btw, fluxbox is great too, I used it before fvwm2 |
| 01:30.08 | jharrison | time to hack satcom 7 |
| 01:30.10 | abrotman | !tell brian about real kernel |
| 01:30.16 | maestro5 | Phated: But with fvwm2, you have more config options and a manpage with 10'000 lines :) |
| 01:30.16 | abrotman | brian: read the last section |
| 01:30.22 | mousex | Phated: I like fluxbox too |
| 01:30.22 | Phated | maestro5: Yeah, flux is pretty cool. :) |
| 01:30.22 | the_ultimate_sam | hope it has scriptability |
| 01:30.28 | the1 | xam: gcc 3.3.5 |
| 01:30.31 | the_ultimate_sam | i like being able to customize my irc |
| 01:30.31 | Phated | mousex: Definitely. :) |
| 01:30.40 | the1 | xam: used to run 2.6.soemthgin 64 bit |
| 01:30.44 | phogg | the_ultimate_sam: for scripts use xchat + perl |
| 01:30.45 | jme | maestro5: http://chwombat.net/screenshots.php?cat=2 |
| 01:30.47 | scarynetworkguy | flux is all kinds of good |
| 01:30.48 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: both xchat and irssi are scriptable, yes |
| 01:30.48 | Wyzard | hmm... let's see if I can switch my router from using a single interface to a bridged interface without interrupting connectivity :-) |
| 01:30.53 | xam | the1: as I said, waiting for gcc-3.5 |
| 01:30.56 | Phated | maestro5: I dunno... AFAICT fvwm2 is something of the ultimate tweakable WM... True/false? |
| 01:30.59 | mousex | the_ultimate_sam: irssi |
| 01:31.06 | the1 | xam: realized that was impractical....now on 2.4.27-32 |
| 01:31.14 | Phated | All right, best IRc client ever, irssi. 'nuff said. |
| 01:31.19 | jme | Phated: true :) |
| 01:31.25 | maestro5 | jme: Which one? |
| 01:31.26 | the1 | Phated: bitchx |
| 01:31.30 | jme | Phated: but very maticulus(sp) to configure |
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| 01:31.34 | jme | maestro5: any of them ;) |
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| 01:31.40 | maestro5 | Phated: absoutely true |
| 01:31.40 | xam | the1: I'm thinking of a RAM upgrade ... additional 1GB or so |
| 01:31.42 | jme | maestro5: they're all the same theme, i think |
| 01:31.48 | maestro5 | jme: Yep, they are very nice |
| 01:31.53 | mousex | the1: just one gig?! |
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| 01:32.03 | the1 | mousex: that wasn't me |
| 01:32.10 | mousex | oops! |
| 01:32.18 | Phated | jme: The thing is, irssi's defaults are cool with me. A nice theme and that's all done. |
| 01:32.34 | Phated | maestro5: Aye. What's your irssi theme look like? |
| 01:32.36 | the_ultimate_sam | 1/2 of what i wanted but it suits me for now |
| 01:32.37 | Phated | the1: Nah. |
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| 01:32.41 | jme | Phated: i just use irssi's defaults too |
| 01:32.43 | jme | at least for now |
| 01:32.47 | xam | mousex: well, I also have a C240 with 1.5GB ... |
| 01:32.52 | the1 | xam: where can you get that kind of ram....it seams its rarly on ebay, and vendors charge more then whole pa-risc machines go for on ebay |
| 01:32.58 | Phated | jme: Yep. All that I did was change a theme and edit the conf a little. |
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| 01:33.14 | mousex | xam: why would you need so much RAM, anyway? servers? |
| 01:33.15 | maestro5 | Phated: I'm using xchat |
| 01:33.16 | brian | should I upgrade my kernel to 2.6.4? |
| 01:33.22 | abrotman | brian: no |
| 01:33.24 | Phated | maestro5: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
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| 01:33.31 | abrotman | brian: which version of debian are you running? |
| 01:33.33 | xam | the1: true ;) you have to know people or have money :-/ |
| 01:33.34 | Phated | maestro5: Sorry, sorry. Lost control. |
| 01:33.39 | maestro5 | Phated: :) |
| 01:33.43 | Phated | :) |
| 01:33.44 | brian | sarge |
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| 01:33.49 | jme | yes? |
| 01:33.52 | jme | oh wait, i'm not sarge |
| 01:33.55 | kreg1 | i'm behind a DSL modem that NAT's to my LAN. is a DCC send possible? (sorry if repeat i lost connection) |
| 01:33.56 | maestro5 | brian: You could |
| 01:33.57 | abrotman | brian: apt-cache update;apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
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| 01:34.10 | abrotman | brian: pick the one that is for your CPU |
| 01:34.14 | xam | mousex: yes, it is being used as a server ... and as part of a cluster ... besides, the more (RAM) the better |
| 01:34.17 | mousex | brian: it can be a pain in the butt to upgrade your kernel and then get all modules to work . . . |
| 01:34.29 | jme | kreg1: ... you won't know until you've tried ;) |
| 01:34.31 | brian | hmm |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | mousex: what are you talking about? |
| 01:34.50 | the1 | kreg1: with port forwarding at least |
| 01:34.51 | brian | i need to in order to install the intel drivers for my centrino |
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| 01:34.53 | kreg1 | jme, ya i have. the recivng side always see a dcc offer but it's coming from 192.168.10.2, (my lan ip) |
| 01:34.54 | maestro5 | Phated: But you are right, I start to dislike it... I had some minor troubles with the developers :( |
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| 01:35.02 | brian | i mean ...network drivers |
| 01:35.03 | jme | kreg1: odd |
| 01:35.09 | abrotman | brian: then do what i told you |
| 01:35.12 | cafuego | kreg1: Load ip_conntrack_irc |
| 01:35.13 | jharrison | now to bounce a signal to satcom 9 |
| 01:35.18 | brian | ok..thanks abrotman |
| 01:35.29 | jme | cafuego: nice call |
| 01:35.30 | Phated | maestro5: Heh. Dude, switch to irssi and be happy. |
| 01:35.30 | mousex | abrotman: it has been a pain for much people to go from 2.4x kernels to 2.6 |
| 01:35.34 | kreg1 | cafuego, NAT is on the DSL modem, not a Linux box |
| 01:35.39 | budluva | if i have a ps/2 mouse, what would be my mouse port? im trying to config x |
| 01:35.43 | mousex | abrotman: just read a bit on debianhelp.org . . . |
| 01:35.43 | abrotman | mousex: i don't know what you did .. it was cake for me |
| 01:35.46 | the1 | abrotman: yes and no |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | mousex: i can't help it if people are dumb |
| 01:35.59 | mousex | abrotman: it was easy for me, too, but not for many others |
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| 01:36.04 | mousex | :) |
| 01:36.04 | maestro5 | Phated: Well, I have no time to make a nice configuration now... :) |
| 01:36.06 | the1 | abrotman: if you know how to change kernels in yourboot loader incase something goes wrong...then no |
| 01:36.08 | mainiac | !pci |
| 01:36.08 | dpkg | [pci] (Peripheral Connect Interface) This interface was designed to supplant the VL-Bus architecture and provide a standard slot with a reduced size for high-speed peripherals. It normally runs at 33 MHz on a PC, but can run faster. PCI slots are 32-bit slots on Intel systems, but the spec allows for 64-bit, like EISA or VL-BUS, but in a compact form factor. |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman | mousex: if they don't follow initrd instructions .. not my fault |
| 01:36.19 | budluva | !ps/2 |
| 01:36.19 | dpkg | [ps/2] This is a PC made by IBM. It can run OS/2 and DB/2. Of course, it can run anything a normal PC can run, but it's just a nifty IBM naming convention that caught on. or the type of connector used for mice and keyboards on most new PCs |
| 01:36.39 | Phated | maestro5: Meh, all you need is a nice theme and the right highlights. :) |
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| 01:36.46 | jme | you all should use /msg to dpkg, you know |
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| 01:37.05 | abrotman | jme: and? |
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| 01:37.18 | jme | abrotman: or |
| 01:37.29 | xam | mousex: so far I got the following PCI cards working: Dec Tulip, 8192too, IBM ee100, Voodoo2, Matrox Millenium, ATI Rage XL, USB 2.0 5-port, Prism2 802.11b WLan, IBM TokenRing ... |
| 01:37.36 | SamAdamsLuva | budluva: you inspired me :) |
| 01:37.48 | maestro5 | budluva: Does your X11 thing work now? |
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| 01:38.18 | SamAdamsLuva | xam: any luck with a SoundBlaster pci card? |
| 01:38.30 | the1 | xam: all on the b2k and similar pa-risc machines? |
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| 01:39.00 | xam | SamAdamsLuva: I don't have a soundblaster ... but I'm getting a TerraTec DMX 6fire ... |
| 01:39.18 | brian | what if I wanted to comile the drivers for my own kernel? how would I go about doing that? |
| 01:39.24 | SamAdamsLuva | hmm, but I got a SB64 AWE |
| 01:39.27 | brian | *compile |
| 01:39.28 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, sb pci cards do work well. Depends on model (lspci -v ?) |
| 01:39.31 | the1 | brain: pain... |
| 01:39.32 | SamAdamsLuva | in a pci slot |
| 01:39.37 | brian | haha |
| 01:39.43 | xam | the1: all of them on the C3000 (which is basically a B2000 with more slots and faster CPU), and most of them also in the C240 |
| 01:40.10 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, did you run 'discover' as root ? |
| 01:40.45 | xam | SamAdamsLuva: soundblaster might be simple and easy to use, but the sound quality ... :( |
| 01:40.46 | maestro5 | brian: There are two ways. The usual and the debian way for compiling a kernel |
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| 01:41.12 | the1 | xam: o....btw my b2k uses a pa8600 clocked at 400mhz...from my reading the 86000 was normally clocked at 440mhz on the b2k.....can i overclock it? |
| 01:41.14 | bh | anybody here know how to configure "gallery" so that it gets the correctd temp directory ? |
| 01:41.15 | SamAdamsLuva | wombachi: hmm, don't think so |
| 01:41.30 | brian | maestro5: which do you recommend? |
| 01:41.35 | SamAdamsLuva | here's my lspci: 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08) Subsystem: Ensoniq Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI64V, AudioPCI128 Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Step |
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| 01:42.08 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, then modprobe es1371 will load module (driver) for your card |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: modprobe es1371 |
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| 01:42.14 | SamAdamsLuva | xam: ya gotta think relative... I got no sound now so .... :) |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: modprobe es1371 |
| 01:42.26 | maestro5 | brian: Hm, I don't know to be quite frank, both is quite ok... but are you sure you want to recompile your kernel by yoursef? (I didn't pay attention tothe things you said about your network driver) |
| 01:42.35 | xam | the1: you mean 8500, not 8600 ... yes, the B2000/C3000 are both running at 400 |
| 01:42.39 | leOn | abrotman: spammer |
| 01:42.50 | jme | !spam abrotman |
| 01:42.54 | jme | ;( |
| 01:42.58 | the1 | cpuinfo says 8600 |
| 01:43.00 | SamAdamsLuva | I hear you 'modprobe es1371', but how do I load it? |
| 01:43.01 | jme | !smite abrotman |
| 01:43.06 | abrotman | and? |
| 01:43.10 | jme | or? |
| 01:43.12 | brian | maestro5: what i'm trying to do is get the intel ipw2200 drivers available through sourceforge (linked to from the intel site" |
| 01:43.14 | brian | \) |
| 01:43.15 | leOn | SamAdamsLuva: THAT loads it |
| 01:43.19 | the1 | flood warning |
| 01:43.20 | the1 | pa64:/usr/src/linux# cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:43.21 | the1 | processor : 0 |
| 01:43.21 | the1 | cpu family : PA-RISC 2.0 |
| 01:43.21 | the1 | cpu : PA8600 (PCX-W+) |
| 01:43.21 | the1 | cpu MHz : 400.000000 |
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| 01:43.24 | jme | ... |
| 01:43.27 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, as root, type this: modprobe es1371 |
| 01:43.27 | SamAdamsLuva | ok, I'll give it a shot |
| 01:43.28 | jme | kickban warning :) |
| 01:43.30 | abrotman | the1: read the fucking topic |
| 01:43.34 | the1 | ok |
| 01:43.41 | brian | maestro5: what that will do is allow me to use my build in wireless |
| 01:43.44 | xam | the1: but afaik the B2000 has some slower RAMs installed by default ... at least most benchmarks usually give a slight performance gain (2-5%) to the C3000 |
| 01:43.55 | maestro5 | brian: Oh I see |
| 01:44.02 | SamAdamsLuva | hmm, I get: bash: modprobe: command not found |
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| 01:44.08 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: be root |
| 01:44.13 | jme | heh |
| 01:44.15 | SamAdamsLuva | I was root |
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| 01:44.18 | SamAdamsLuva | su'd to root |
| 01:44.19 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, you need to be (the user) root to do it |
| 01:44.22 | the1 | xam: I don't doubt yours is faster...but i was wondering if pa-risc overclocking is feasable? |
| 01:44.26 | brian | maestro5: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 01:44.26 | maestro5 | SamAdamsLuva: /sbin/modprobe maybe |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you have no modprobe? |
| 01:44.30 | jme | SamAdamsLuva: su - |
| 01:44.32 | jme | SamAdamsLuva: not just su |
| 01:44.40 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, type 'su - ' then the root password, then the cmd. |
| 01:44.44 | maestro5 | brian: Ok, and this needs a kernel source? Or even patches the kernel? |
| 01:44.47 | SamAdamsLuva | don't know, I'll check apt-cache to se if I can run it |
| 01:44.53 | jme | SamAdamsLuva: do what i said |
| 01:45.00 | SamAdamsLuva | wombachi: I did, I have a term open as root |
| 01:45.07 | brian | there is a patch...but i didn't know waht that was about |
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| 01:45.14 | xam | the1: there must be something work in the kernel ... it is definitely a 8500 ... probably 64bit is a little bit broken |
| 01:45.14 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, then /usr/sbin/modprobe es1371 |
| 01:45.19 | jme | SamAdamsLuva: use /sbin/modprobe |
| 01:45.28 | xam | the1: no, forget overclocking |
| 01:45.31 | jme | not /usr/sbin |
| 01:45.33 | MobyTurbo | SamAdamsLuva, if you don't have modprobe, something is seriously wrong. |
| 01:45.39 | abrotman | !find sbin/modprobe |
| 01:45.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sbin/modprobe' (1 shown): (/sbin/modprobe) in admin/module-init-tools,base/modutils. |
| 01:45.49 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, oops, jme is right /sbin/modprobe |
| 01:46.02 | leOn | SamAdamsLuva: how did you become root? ... "su root" ? |
| 01:46.04 | budluva | ok so in bitchx is it possible to do multiple servers? |
| 01:46.10 | SamAdamsLuva | wombachi, I've got a modconf but no modprobe |
| 01:46.21 | jme | SamAdamsLuva: apt-get install modutils |
| 01:46.29 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: then use modconf |
| 01:46.34 | SamAdamsLuva | and as root, I would expect to have access to /usr/sbin |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | use modconf |
| 01:46.43 | SamAdamsLuva | jme: k, I'll get it |
| 01:46.44 | the1 | xam: maybe...according the defconfig no specific pa-risc arch was specified....perhaps thats one of the reasons my custom kernel compile failed (I specified PA86000) |
| 01:46.56 | SamAdamsLuva | will modconf es1371 work? |
| 01:47.09 | jme | leOn: not if he entered the direct path and it wasn't there |
| 01:47.10 | wombachi | SamAdamsLuva, nope |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you run modconf .. then find es1371 in it |
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| 01:47.18 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: wait .. better yet .. |
| 01:47.19 | leOn | jme: he did that? |
| 01:47.24 | jme | leOn: apparently |
| 01:47.30 | Karsh | hi guys |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: echo es1371 >> /etc/modules |
| 01:47.34 | jme | leOn: since about 3 of us told him to |
| 01:47.34 | abrotman | exactly that! |
| 01:47.37 | the1 | xam: I got an error assembling some .S file on the kernelcompile ...so that would make sence |
| 01:47.39 | SamAdamsLuva | k, brb when I get modutils loaded |
| 01:48.05 | Karsh | how can i block all connections from computer 192.168.0.3 to port 4661 in internet ? |
| 01:48.11 | Karsh | with iptables |
| 01:48.23 | leOn | Karsh: you read the iptables man page |
| 01:48.25 | brian | maestro5: did you get my last message about the patch? |
| 01:48.29 | cafuego | Karsh: Block outgoing to any computer on port 4661 |
| 01:48.30 | jcook2 | aggghhhh ... how do i fix my keyboad so that (in say vt1) shift-3 (ie hash) spits out a hash and not a pound symbol |
| 01:48.45 | Karsh | yes i read but i doesn't work |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | Karhuton: #iptables |
| 01:48.58 | cafuego | Karsh: iptables -A OUTPUT -o <out interface> -p tcp|udp --dport 4461 -j REJECT |
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| 01:49.10 | maestro5 | brian: Yep, sorry, I'll check it right now |
| 01:49.13 | Karsh | cafuego thank you very much!! |
| 01:49.15 | maestro5 | brian: One second |
| 01:49.17 | cafuego | Karsh: Yoiu cna add '-s 192.168.0.3' as well |
| 01:49.23 | Karsh | k |
| 01:49.29 | xam | the1: the C3000 and the B2000 have virtually the same speed, just as I said, in most benchmarks the C3000 comes first by just a few % (because of faster RAM, faster HDD etc, ...) |
| 01:49.39 | SamAdamsLuva | ok, I have to crawl back humbly.... I wasn't root. now that I am I get: modprobe: Can't locate module es1371 |
| 01:49.47 | jcook2 | how do i change the locale of my keybard for the console? |
| 01:49.52 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: uname -r |
| 01:49.52 | brian | maestro5: oh i'm not trippin..i just forgot to direct the message to you, so i didn't know if you saw it or not |
| 01:50.06 | abrotman | jcook2: your keymap? |
| 01:50.08 | Phated | SamAdamsLuva: Did you perchance compile your own kernel? |
| 01:50.17 | xam | the1: well, I don't know why you want to choose any optimization other than PA8000 ... |
| 01:50.22 | jcook2 | abrotman: ? |
| 01:50.35 | budluva | can i connect to multiple servers in bitchx? |
| 01:50.36 | the1 | xam: i could have been mistaken |
| 01:50.37 | SamAdamsLuva | hehe, Phated, only if I could do that without know it |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:50.37 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 01:50.43 | abrotman | jcook2: or .. dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:50.46 | the1 | xam: maybe it was just 8k |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: uname -r |
| 01:50.55 | leOn | budluva: use irssi |
| 01:50.59 | Phated | SamAdamsLuva: Well then... *shrugs* Listen to abrotman. |
| 01:51.01 | SamAdamsLuva | I installed Debian 3.0 (woody) off of an ISO I downloaded |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: uname -r |
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| 01:51.13 | budluva | le0n im in command line, no x yet |
| 01:51.18 | tnks | hey guys. . . |
| 01:51.23 | leOn | budluva: and i tell you again |
| 01:51.24 | Phated | budluva: irssi IS command-line. |
| 01:51.24 | leOn | budluva: use irssi |
| 01:51.26 | cafuego | budluva: Guess where irssi runs? |
| 01:51.31 | SamAdamsLuva | uname -r : 2.2.20-idepci |
| 01:51.39 | poop | will someone tell me about debian or will someone tell me about debian linux |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: does your internet work? |
| 01:51.46 | MobyTurbo | budluva, apt-get install irssi-text |
| 01:51.46 | jme | nice, i haven't used 2.2.20 since... what... 2000? |
| 01:51.47 | the1 | 2.2.20 wow |
| 01:51.47 | budluva | ok |
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| 01:51.59 | abrotman | what is wrong .. it's the default insatll kernel on woody .. jesus |
| 01:52.03 | SamAdamsLuva | yes, i'm on the linux box now |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | oh wow .. llook .. a 2.0.41 .. that's so oo .. uhm stable? |
| 01:52.17 | the1 | abrotman: it still is? |
| 01:52.21 | jme | abrotman: and? |
| 01:52.22 | budluva | well, currently installing gnome-core, so i gotta wait |
| 01:52.26 | abrotman | fuck off |
| 01:52.27 | cafuego | Linux monolith 2.0.40 #79 Fri Mar 5 01:23:52 CET 2004 i586 |
| 01:52.32 | xam | abrotman: and so ... small and fast |
| 01:52.34 | Phated | the1: Ever since woody was stable. |
| 01:52.34 | tnks | does anybody know how to limit how long Linux hangs on trying to enable eth0 (if it's temporarily not available) when booting up? |
| 01:52.38 | vaseco | I have problem with my _vaio_ sound card |
| 01:52.42 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: what CPU do you have? |
| 01:52.42 | cafuego | Your 2.2.20 is WAY too newfangled. |
| 01:52.52 | jme | cafuego: mwahaha |
| 01:53.02 | Phated | cafuego: Heh. |
| 01:53.05 | jme | cafuego: 79 recompiles, huh |
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| 01:53.17 | leOn | tnks: hit ctrl + c to bypass eth dhcp initialization |
| 01:53.21 | cafuego | jme: 79 patched, from 1.2.X to 2.0.40 |
| 01:53.28 | maestro5 | brian: Ok |
| 01:53.28 | MobyTurbo | I should dust off my kernel 0.95 archive and see if it will detect my USB keyboard and 80G hard drive. ;-) |
| 01:53.29 | the1 | i guess i just haven''t installed debian except from bootp or knoppix in a long time. |
| 01:53.30 | jme | cafuego: niiiiiiiice :) |
| 01:53.32 | Phated | Man, this guy is OLDSCHOOL! |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: are you there? |
| 01:53.37 | jme | i concur |
| 01:53.39 | cafuego | Phated: w0rd |
| 01:53.40 | RichiH | it is teh Phated |
| 01:53.46 | Phated | cafuego: Heh. |
| 01:53.46 | brian | maestro5: yup |
| 01:53.48 | jme | cafuego: and i thought i was oldschool |
| 01:53.48 | Phated | RichiH: Aye. |
| 01:53.50 | maestro5 | brian: As far as I can see, the kernel source is needed, but you don't have to patch the kernel |
| 01:53.55 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: dual pentium II 300 MHz |
| 01:54.15 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: so ... |
| 01:54.15 | xam | the1: time to reboot once again ... trying the latest CVS kernel on my C3000 |
| 01:54.15 | jme | cafuego: hahaha |
| 01:54.15 | brian | maestro5: alright |
| 01:54.15 | budluva | ok, so i just opened a new virtual console (f3) and logged in, how do i close it? |
| 01:54.15 | Phated | cafuego: Hah! Delusional, you are. |
| 01:54.17 | the1 | xam: ttyl |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: we're going to install a kernel .. and you have to pay very very close attention .. ok? |
| 01:54.21 | cafuego | SamAdamsLuva: You want to get a 2.6 kernel on that box as soon as you can. |
| 01:54.21 | maestro5 | brian: What you can try is install a precompiled kernel, install it;s source (from debian) and try to compile the userland tool |
| 01:54.21 | Phated | budluva: Alt-F1/2/4/5/6. |
| 01:54.23 | xam | the1: brb |
| 01:54.23 | kingsley | Is there an easier way to set up a virtual machine than User Mode Linux? xen? |
| 01:54.26 | jme | cafuego: i only started using linux around 98, debian when 2.0 was out |
| 01:54.31 | maestro5 | brian: Sorry I mean the special module |
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| 01:54.32 | cafuego | abrotman: Move him to Sarge and 2.6 |
| 01:54.36 | Phated | abrotman: What happened to "it's the default on woody... jesus"? :) |
| 01:54.37 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: ok |
| 01:54.42 | abrotman | cafuego: you think? |
| 01:54.43 | maestro5 | brian: But for this, there are some things which has to be enabled in the kernel |
| 01:54.48 | abrotman | Phated: the install |
| 01:54.50 | budluva | Phated how do i close it and log out? |
| 01:54.50 | kisielk | hello all, just read an article linked from DWN about setting up software RAID 1 |
| 01:54.52 | abrotman | Phated: has no sound drivers |
| 01:54.54 | maestro5 | brian: And I'm not sure whether they are |
| 01:54.55 | kisielk | has anyone tried something like that? |
| 01:54.55 | brian | maestro5: alright |
| 01:55.00 | tritium | not everything works with 2.6 (e.g. lirc) |
| 01:55.00 | cafuego | abrotman: Yes, the difference between 2.4 SMp and 2.6 SMp is *amazing* on P2/300's |
| 01:55.01 | Phated | budluva: You type, surprsingly enough, logout. |
| 01:55.04 | Phated | abrotman: :) |
| 01:55.05 | MobyTurbo | SamAdamsLuva, actually, woody includes bf2.4 (2.4.18) as an option. |
| 01:55.10 | kisielk | I was just wondering.. if you're doing software RAID1.. do you need to do anything special to recover your data if one drive fails? |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: cafuego says we go to sarge |
| 01:55.15 | leOn | cafuego: really ? |
| 01:55.17 | kisielk | or can you just treat the remaining drive like a regular drive? |
| 01:55.19 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: first step |
| 01:55.20 | Phated | Oh no not another sargeconvert! |
| 01:55.26 | abrotman | !tell SamAdamsLuva about woody->sarge |
| 01:55.27 | cafuego | abrotman: It blew me away when I moved my 2xP2/300 to 2.6 |
| 01:55.30 | leOn | i have one of those ... dual PII/300 |
| 01:55.31 | maestro5 | brian: You could first install a debian 2.6 kernel image and check whether it is included |
| 01:55.37 | cafuego | leOn: Yep. |
| 01:55.41 | vaseco | NEED help with my sound card |
| 01:55.42 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: does that makes sense? |
| 01:55.50 | cafuego | leOn: Suddnly it becomes a useable console box again :-) |
| 01:55.53 | sussudio | !fix vaseco |
| 01:56.12 | budluva | ok, so after apt-get installing x-window-system, gnome-core, and gdm, how do i login to gnome? just reboot my pc? |
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| 01:56.12 | jme | sussudio: haha |
| 01:56.12 | jme | hmm |
| 01:56.12 | leOn | cafuego: it IS a usable console box now |
| 01:56.12 | Phated | budluva: No no no. Su to root, them type this. |
| 01:56.12 | leOn | =P |
| 01:56.15 | jme | on a side note, anyone know of any decent online latex tutorials? |
| 01:56.21 | Phated | budluva: /etc/init.d/gdm start <- got that? |
| 01:56.21 | cafuego | leOn: With which kernel? |
| 01:56.22 | vaseco | sussudio: ??? |
| 01:56.26 | budluva | ya |
| 01:56.42 | Phated | budluva: HANG ON. Have you configured X? |
| 01:57.02 | brian | maestro5: you mean centrino support might be built into the new kernel? |
| 01:57.10 | budluva | not starting gnome display manager, gdm, it is not the default display manager |
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| 01:57.18 | vaseco | sussudio: my sound card doesnt work |
| 01:57.22 | maestro5 | brian: No, but you need a 2.6 kernel for that network thing |
| 01:57.23 | leOn | cafuego: not sure ... but i believe it's one of the latest 2.4 series |
| 01:57.26 | Phated | budluva: Then apt-get remove xdm, if you have it. |
| 01:57.31 | cafuego | budluva: 'dpkg -reconfigure x-display-manager' |
| 01:57.36 | cafuego | budluva: ANd choose 'gdm'. |
| 01:57.39 | Phated | budluva: Do you already HAVE X running...? |
| 01:57.42 | budluva | ok, well i think i screwed up when configuring gdm, i chose xdm as my default |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | oh .. i thought 2.0.41 was out |
| 01:57.47 | vaseco | everything is configured ok but it doesnt make noise |
| 01:57.54 | maestro5 | brian: You could either build your own kernel (the two ways I mentioned above) or try it with a precompiled debian 2.6 kernel |
| 01:58.06 | abrotman | when did we start getting -ac patches again? |
| 01:58.11 | Phated | budluva: It's OK, do what cafuego said, and choose gdm this time. :) |
| 01:58.13 | maestro5 | brian: That would save you from the kernel recompilation |
| 01:58.21 | leOn | yep ... 2.4.26-1-686 |
| 01:58.23 | tritium | lirc sucks |
| 01:58.28 | Phated | Well no shit. |
| 01:58.32 | brian | well i dont know how to do either...so i'm assuming using apt-get would be the way to go |
| 01:58.33 | cafuego | leOn: Mine was frighteningly slow; mind you it ran as production server; mail/web/mysql box. After going to 2.6 the command line was a LOT snappier. At a guess I'd say 1.5 times quicker just at interactive user stuff. |
| 01:58.39 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: does it make sense? |
| 01:58.59 | budluva | dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove |
| 01:58.59 | dpkg | budluva: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:59.00 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: updatin' apt-get now |
| 01:59.05 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: ok |
| 01:59.05 | budluva | ??? |
| 01:59.20 | cafuego | Which reminds me, the PSU in the P2 blew up and I better replace it. |
| 01:59.25 | maestro5 | brian: That's what I would try first, yes |
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| 01:59.43 | the1 | brian: apt-cache search kernel image |grep [version_nu,ber] |
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| 01:59.52 | budluva | cafuego i get conflicting actions, --control and --remove |
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| 01:59.58 | brian | maestro5: ok... |
| 02:00.00 | the1 | brian: **version number |
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| 02:00.01 | leOn | cafuego: this machine really doesn't need much processing anyways ... it's just mirroring and serving mirrors through http/ftp |
| 02:00.11 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: done, what's next? |
| 02:00.13 | cafuego | budluva: My mistake. 'dpkg-reconfigure' not 'dpkg -reconfigure' |
| 02:00.17 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: all of it is done? |
| 02:00.17 | budluva | ok |
| 02:00.19 | brian | thel: can i just type 2.6 as the version number? |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: what kind of connection do you have? |
| 02:00.30 | the1 | brian: if you want |
| 02:00.37 | SamAdamsLuva | Fetched 4575kB in 58s (78.8kB/s) Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 02:00.38 | leOn | more I/O than processor |
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| 02:00.41 | the1 | brian: this will just get you a list of available image |
| 02:00.47 | brian | it asks for 2.6.4 |
| 02:00.49 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: DSL |
| 02:00.49 | the1 | brian: *images |
| 02:00.55 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you did the dist-upgrade too? |
| 02:00.55 | maestro5 | brian: who? |
| 02:01.00 | the1 | brian: and you can install what you want |
| 02:01.04 | brian | the driver |
| 02:01.14 | maestro5 | brian: Does it need 2.6.4 or at least 2.6.4? |
| 02:01.22 | blaze | Hey all, I have my two cdrom drives connected to my computer via a pci ide controller, I also have one of my hard drives connected to it as well, when I try to put in a debian cd I get an error saying it cant find my cd rom drive |
| 02:01.25 | blaze | any ideas? |
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| 02:01.27 | poop | whats the difference between debian linux and gentoo linux? |
| 02:01.36 | Phated | !gentoo |
| 02:01.36 | dpkg | hmm... gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc and Sparc64 systems. It rules all the inferior distributions (Sadly, not all other distributions are inferior ;). Kinda of akin to BSD according to chouimat, or something you don't want to administer more than 2 of, or a nice file browser, or see also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ and http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm, or and see http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 02:01.41 | brian | ooh...AT LEAST |
| 02:01.44 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: I don't see it listed, what site should I pull from for that? |
| 02:01.46 | Phated | There you go, read that last URL. :) |
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| 02:01.56 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you run `apt-get -u dist-upgrade` |
| 02:01.59 | brian | 2.6.4+ |
| 02:02.11 | MobyTurbo | poop, the biggest difference is that gentoo is source based and debian is usually binary packages |
| 02:02.17 | SamAdamsLuva | ok |
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| 02:02.27 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: let me know when it's done |
| 02:02.31 | MobyTurbo | poop, in other words, Debian saves you lots of time. |
| 02:02.34 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: or give a time estimate at least |
| 02:02.50 | poop | moby turbo: is itpossible to ask the bot? |
| 02:02.55 | maestro5 | brian: Thats good |
| 02:02.59 | poop | o wiaat i know how |
| 02:03.01 | maestro5 | brian: What cpu do you have? |
| 02:03.02 | poop | !gentoo linux |
| 02:03.05 | jme | ... |
| 02:03.07 | brian | pshew.. |
| 02:03.08 | SamAdamsLuva | it looks like it has started upgrading |
| 02:03.08 | jme | he already did |
| 02:03.12 | poop | !gentoo linux |
| 02:03.15 | rich_ | I think source packages are a great idea. The real difference is the debian developers. |
| 02:03.19 | maestro5 | brian: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:03.20 | poop | !debian linux |
| 02:03.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian linux is it is Debian GNU/Linux, dammit |
| 02:03.21 | brian | maestro5: its an intel centrino |
| 02:03.22 | the1 | Debian also has a tradition of keeping things free as in speech, as it is democratically run by its users |
| 02:03.26 | maestro5 | brian: Ok |
| 02:03.29 | poop | not much info |
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| 02:03.29 | MobyTurbo | poop, /msg dpkg |
| 02:03.31 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: I might loose this session, if so I'll start up on another pc |
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| 02:03.37 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: ok |
| 02:03.40 | yxa | debian can be source base too, just that you have to type a few more things :) |
| 02:03.43 | maestro5 | brian: oh, run apt-cache search centrino :) |
| 02:03.46 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: time estimate for downloading? |
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| 02:04.11 | brian | Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1500MHz |
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| 02:04.18 | novice | does anybody know the type supporte by the mount for a flash memory (pcmcia)? |
| 02:04.24 | oneo | does anyone here use a usb remote control for linux? |
| 02:04.26 | maestro5 | brian: did you see that? (apt-cache search centrino) |
| 02:04.32 | brian | maestro5: yes..thank you...i'll do that right now |
| 02:04.41 | leOn | novice: usually vfat |
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| 02:04.55 | brian | maestro5: nothing happened |
| 02:05.11 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: 1hr35min |
| 02:05.12 | novice | leOn: it worked! thanks |
| 02:05.18 | exobyte_ | How can I set up a computer to boot from a memory "image", kinda like windows hibernate? I'm going for a very fast boot, so with a minimal kernel and runtime stuff, it might boot quickly |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you need faster dsl :) |
| 02:05.36 | maestro5 | brian: Ok I know what |
| 02:05.48 | maestro5 | brian: check your sources.list |
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| 02:05.58 | maestro5 | brian: there is only 'main' right? |
| 02:06.06 | leOn | exobyte_: you can use swsupend, kinda like windows hibernate |
| 02:06.07 | maestro5 | brian: add contrib and non-free |
| 02:06.08 | leOn | =P |
| 02:06.11 | brian | i'll check..one ec |
| 02:06.12 | the1 | exobyte_ wonder if you can just make a big initrd image |
| 02:06.13 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: no doh! but the phone lines here in the woods won't support any faster :) |
| 02:06.16 | leOn | swsuspend, i mean |
| 02:06.26 | novice | leOn: is there any way to find out except the "guess and go" method? cuz i was trying all the types i thought that would be... |
| 02:06.28 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you need satellite :) |
| 02:06.56 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: that's ok, I'll live with what I got |
| 02:06.57 | brian | maestro5: you are correct |
| 02:06.59 | leOn | novice: fdisk -l /dev/hdxx ... subtitute the hdxx for the righ device |
| 02:07.11 | brian | maestro5: do i erase main and replace with non-free and contrib? |
| 02:07.25 | the1 | brain: dont' erase..just add |
| 02:07.29 | Phated | brian: No, you do not remove main... |
| 02:07.34 | brian | haha..alright |
| 02:07.38 | maestro5 | brian: There are some more packages which are not in the main rep but in contrib and non-free because of license issues |
| 02:07.45 | brian | i see |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:07.50 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 02:07.52 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: I'll probably be in bed when the download finishes. any words of wisdom I could use? |
| 02:08.02 | maestro5 | brian: yep, right, add it, dont replace it, you still want the whoe buch of 'normal' programs :) |
| 02:08.04 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you didn't even get to the kernel yet :) |
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| 02:08.06 | Phated | SamAdamsLuva: Pray, hope, and uhm.. get faster DSL. |
| 02:08.32 | the1 | This APT has Super Cow Powers. |
| 02:08.40 | lkz633123 | I have serious problems, I downloaded for netinstall for 2 hours, now it is not working |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: it's gonna ask you questions etc .. but the big thing you need is a 686SMP kernel |
| 02:08.57 | SamAdamsLuva | when it does will it do the upgrade per usual apt-get? |
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| 02:09.16 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: almost .. there's one very important step |
| 02:09.24 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: if you miss it .. your computer will explode |
| 02:09.28 | Phated | Editing lilo or grub. |
| 02:09.55 | lkz633123 | I alwys get error like: error when parsing /var/lib/dpkg/status near zeile 1545 Paket mdetect version is missing |
| 02:09.55 | abrotman | well yes |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | but if you miss it .. it explodes |
| 02:10.02 | Phated | abrotman: Yes. |
| 02:10.03 | maestro5 | hrm, it still is not raining! |
| 02:10.11 | SamAdamsLuva | rofl, I can see it now .... blowin chips! |
| 02:10.24 | abrotman | chunks |
| 02:10.38 | oneo | i just installed another input device - how do i see what /dev/ device it is using? |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | dmesg |
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| 02:10.52 | Phated | SamAdamsLuva: It's not funny. Buddy of mine too a blowing CPU to the chest,, sent him home in four ziplock bags. |
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| 02:11.09 | loswillios | hi |
| 02:11.13 | lkz633123 | I alwys get error like: error when parsing /var/lib/dpkg/status near zeile 1545 Paket mdetect version is missing |
| 02:11.20 | lkz633123 | can anyone help me out |
| 02:11.25 | greycat | lkz633123: edit that file by hand and fix it |
| 02:11.38 | lkz633123 | how? |
| 02:11.44 | SamAdamsLuva | I got a couple of spare processors I could install if need'm |
| 02:11.46 | abrotman | with an editor :) |
| 02:11.50 | greycat | carefully. |
| 02:11.58 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: that's not gonna help you download faster :) |
| 02:12.05 | Phated | SamAdamsLuva: What he said. |
| 02:12.12 | lkz633123 | vi seems to be installed, could you tell me how to jump to this line save and close vi |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | greycat: did you get your Spears Greatest Hits yet? |
| 02:12.18 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: no, the are slower than the pair I got in there |
| 02:12.18 | cafuego | lkz633123: I think the p[roblem might be that you're running a german locale ;-) |
| 02:12.22 | maestro5 | brian: Does it work? |
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| 02:12.42 | hans | can someone recommend a nice & simple X11 cd burning package? |
| 02:12.49 | epictetus | Britney Spears GreatesTits |
| 02:12.50 | MobyTurbo | lkz633123, maybe you'd be better off starting with nano, tho vi is more powerful. |
| 02:12.50 | lkz633123 | how to change this? why is such basic stuff not supported? what to do? |
| 02:12.51 | cafuego | hans: k3b |
| 02:12.51 | the1 | lkz633123: to open a file in vi on a particular line do |
| 02:13.03 | the1 | lkz633123: vi filename +line_number |
| 02:13.06 | cafuego | hans: it's kde based, but pretty much nice & easy. |
| 02:13.10 | SamAdamsLuva | hehe speakin of download times, mine's goin up... now 1hr53min |
| 02:13.18 | the1 | lkz633123: to close and save :wq! |
| 02:13.19 | greycat | what the fuck do you mean "such basic stuff"? |
| 02:13.20 | brian | its giving me trouble overwriting the file |
| 02:13.22 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: woohoo |
| 02:13.32 | greycat | you have a corrupted configuration file because of an unofficial 3rd party package! |
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| 02:13.43 | greycat | just FIX it yourself, or don't use 3rd party stuff! |
| 02:13.45 | hans | cafuego: thanks |
| 02:13.49 | the1 | lkz633123: hit escape to be in command mode to quit and or save |
| 02:13.50 | greycat | what is basic about that? |
| 02:14.00 | Phated | the1: ZZ works too. |
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| 02:14.02 | archpollux | hi |
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| 02:14.05 | archpollux | does anyone know if blender in sid is compiled with game engine support or without? |
| 02:14.05 | loswillios | I have successfully set up a Samba PDC. I can log on with users but I can't install programs/change the time/etc. |
| 02:14.08 | greycat | and why are the rest of you having him use vi if he doesn't already know it? |
| 02:14.08 | Phated | greycat: Chill, chill... |
| 02:14.08 | loswillios | I have tried some settings with group mapping, but none worked. is that the right way or am i totally wrong? |
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| 02:14.13 | brian | maestro5: one sec...trying to get it to save |
| 02:14.14 | the1 | lkz633123: hit i to enter editing mode |
| 02:14.21 | greycat | !vi basics |
| 02:14.22 | dpkg | vi is a modal editor: it has insert, replace and command modes. You start in command mode. Press "i" to enter insert mode, and ESC to go back to command mode. "dd" deletes a line, and "x" deletes a character. Save-and-exit with "ZZ". |
| 02:14.23 | the1 | lkz633123: **insert mode |
| 02:14.24 | Phated | lkz633123: Or just damned install nano. |
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| 02:14.44 | abrotman | apt: are you sure? |
| 02:14.50 | leOn | loswillios: only powerusers can do that ... domain users are regular users |
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| 02:15.07 | maestro5 | brian: No problem, take your time |
| 02:15.13 | lkz633123 | this is testing rc2, |
| 02:15.14 | the1 | ~root == root? |
| 02:15.17 | loswillios | leOn: thanx i'll try that |
| 02:15.23 | abrotman | apt: test |
| 02:15.24 | apt | Passed |
| 02:15.42 | the1 | apt: get |
| 02:15.43 | apt | i guess get is search http://www.apt-get.org |
| 02:16.05 | the1 | apt: search apt |
| 02:16.11 | abrotman | the1: /msg apt |
| 02:16.14 | brian | maestro5: ok did it..heh...realized the # entries were comments |
| 02:16.23 | MobyTurbo | !botsmite the1 |
| 02:16.31 | the1 | wtf? |
| 02:16.34 | maestro5 | brian: hehe... run apt-get update then |
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| 02:16.41 | brian | yk |
| 02:16.50 | loswillios | leOn: re-logon |
| 02:17.01 | brian | maestro5: donte |
| 02:17.03 | brian | done |
| 02:17.17 | SamAdamsLuva | anyone ever try to install linux on a palm top pc? |
| 02:17.43 | mousex | the1: still here? |
| 02:17.52 | the1 | mousex: yes |
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| 02:18.29 | brian | maestro5: ok..so why did i do that again? so i can find the right kernel? |
| 02:18.41 | mousex | I'm looking at 3 video cards; tell me what you think: |
| 02:18.43 | greycat | looks like he screwed up and did DELETE FROM existence WHERE name like 'Ether_Man%'; |
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| 02:18.46 | mousex | the1: 1) 4MB MATROX MILLENNIUM |
| 02:18.47 | maestro5 | brian: No, there is support for the centrino drinver in debian |
| 02:18.56 | brian | oooh |
| 02:18.59 | cafuego | mousex: #1. |
| 02:19.01 | the1 | mousex: bought it? |
| 02:19.01 | mousex | the1: 2) 4MB S3 VERGE DX/GX PCI |
| 02:19.01 | maestro5 | brian: But that support is not in main but somewhere else |
| 02:19.11 | sussudio | !tell mousex about polls |
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| 02:19.21 | brian | so you said to apt-cache search centrino? |
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| 02:19.28 | mousex | the1: 8MB PINE SIS6326 sis 3d |
| 02:19.32 | cafuego | mousex: #1. |
| 02:19.46 | mousex | cafuego: why #1 for hppa? |
| 02:19.56 | maestro5 | brian: Ok, we can go ahead, but I really am nor sure whether it will work. You can download a 2.6 kernel now. apt-get install kernel-image 2.6.9 |
| 02:20.02 | cafuego | mousex: Coz The Matrox Millennium is the 2nd best card ever made. |
| 02:20.08 | maestro5 | brian: sorry, kernel-image-2.6.9 |
| 02:20.13 | brian | alright |
| 02:20.14 | lkz633123 | now I get error in 2478 read-edid... will this stop or do I have to do this thousands of time? |
| 02:20.14 | mousex | the1: one more -- 4) 16MB NVIDIA - NVIDIA RIVA TNT |
| 02:20.31 | mousex | cafuego: #4 has more RAM, but not sure if it will work with parisc |
| 02:20.31 | maestro5 | brian: there is a kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686 as well |
| 02:20.40 | the1 | mousex: I am not the one to ask...i have not gotten my card working with the b2k |
| 02:20.40 | loswillios | I have mapped "Power Users" to "tnpsamba" which is the group where I am actually in, but it doesn't work. |
| 02:20.44 | maestro5 | brian: It's optimized for i686 cpus |
| 02:20.57 | brian | is that what a pentium M is? |
| 02:21.19 | mousex | cafuego: then I'll get #1, thanks |
| 02:21.22 | cafuego | brian: yep |
| 02:21.26 | maestro5 | brian: That's what I don't know, but I'm sure some other people here will |
| 02:21.27 | MobyTurbo | brian, 686 is the best kernel among Debian's for it. |
| 02:21.35 | maestro5 | MobyTurbo: thx |
| 02:21.35 | loswillios | leOn: can i post you in a query my "net groupmap list" output? |
| 02:21.38 | cafuego | mousex: You just can't go wrong with a Matrox of that era. |
| 02:21.45 | brian | okahy |
| 02:21.46 | lunaphyte | i'm having trouble tracking where kernel modules are loaded from during boot - i'm trying to remove/disable some unwanted modules. |
| 02:21.46 | novice | does anybody know a plugin for gkrealm |
| 02:21.48 | novice | ? |
| 02:21.48 | loswillios | leOn: sorry for my bad englisch :/ |
| 02:22.04 | maestro5 | brian: Than install that, and install kernel-source-2.6.9, too |
| 02:22.20 | maestro5 | brian: And you will have to reboot afterwards and check whether it works |
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| 02:22.41 | Phated | maestro5: 2.6.9 source package is in? |
| 02:22.48 | fp42 | Hi. I am using fedora and I am considering installing debian. I have a few simple (I hope !) questions. First, what are the most important advantages of debian over fedora ? Second, can the two distros co-exist and "share" a /boot and a /home directory (each on a separate partition)? |
| 02:23.06 | leOn | loswillios: http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/groupmapping.html |
| 02:23.12 | abrotman | !tell fp42 about why debian |
| 02:23.22 | greycat | ii libvorbis0a 1.1.0-0.wooledge.0 The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec |
| 02:23.28 | greycat | http://wooledge.org/~greg/vorbis/ |
| 02:23.30 | MobyTurbo | fp42, I wouldn't reccomend sharing /home with them considering different versions. |
| 02:23.31 | foovoid | fp: First question - package managemetn and consistency second question: I don't see why not |
| 02:23.31 | abrotman | fp42: why woudl you want the same /boot? |
| 02:23.39 | the1 | mousex: fp42: i would not try to share /boot.... /home should be fine although soem .files might get messed up |
| 02:23.41 | MobyTurbo | fp42, /boot is also problematic. |
| 02:23.45 | leOn | loswillios: search for "Adding Domain Users to the Power Users Group" |
| 02:23.50 | mousex | the1: do you think I'll get the same PCI error with the firmware with a matrox? |
| 02:23.58 | the1 | mousex: no |
| 02:24.17 | loswillios | leOn: ok thank you |
| 02:24.28 | maestro5 | Phated: No idea |
| 02:24.37 | maestro5 | Phated: at least in sid |
| 02:24.46 | Phated | maestro5: Nice. |
| 02:24.48 | fp42 | Actually, fedora has one kernel (2.6.7.something) that works well with my machine ; latter ones do not. |
| 02:25.17 | mousex | hopefully, this matrox WILL do the trick . . . ;) . . . Then I can enjoy the power of Debian on parisc! |
| 02:25.29 | greycat | !kernel of instability |
| 02:25.29 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 02:25.30 | Phated | I love Matroxes. |
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| 02:25.57 | guestish | how now brown cow |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | !love phated |
| 02:25.59 | guestish | :) |
| 02:26.06 | Phated | GAH! |
| 02:26.07 | MobyTurbo | fp42, fedora uses a *heavily* patched kernel, so your experiences with it may be irrelevant to Debian's kernels. |
| 02:26.13 | abrotman | guestish: brown cow got lost .. only black cows here |
| 02:26.14 | fp42 | the1: So it's not possible to use a fedora 2.6 kernel with Sarge, for example ? |
| 02:26.19 | greycat | Phated: ooh, kinky. |
| 02:26.21 | guestish | abrotman: aw, poor cow |
| 02:26.24 | Phated | greycat: Pervy. |
| 02:26.26 | abrotman | Phated: you gave me an appendage |
| 02:26.33 | guestish | fp42: hah, no |
| 02:26.34 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:26.40 | Phated | fp42: no way in hell. |
| 02:26.42 | guestish | fp42: that a joke? |
| 02:26.53 | Phated | abrotman: You deserve an ugly tail. |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | Phated: cake? |
| 02:27.05 | greycat | actually it's perfectly possible. it's just not supported. |
| 02:27.08 | the1 | fp42: possable maybe....good idea, i would play it safe and just have your boot loader point to /boot and /boot2 or whaver and let you select your distro |
| 02:27.13 | Phated | abrotman: Not from you. |
| 02:27.23 | the1 | **good idea, no |
| 02:27.24 | abrotman | fine |
| 02:27.24 | guestish | fp42: why would you want a fedora kernel anyways? |
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| 02:27.26 | greycat | if this kernel is what works best for you, then by all means feel free to use it, if you can figure out how |
| 02:27.27 | rich_ | Im all for installation kernels most people never need anything better but if they are a problem for you remember, their first priority is installation, they are designed to work on as wide a variety of hardware as possible. If they arent good enough, compile your own. |
| 02:27.32 | nite613 | !defrag |
| 02:27.33 | dpkg | defrag is probably the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 02:27.46 | mousex | dpkg: is asking, "is this a poll?" still a poll? |
| 02:27.47 | dpkg | mousex: wish i knew |
| 02:27.56 | maestro5 | brian: does anything happen? |
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| 02:28.22 | the1 | !microsoft |
| 02:28.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, microsoft is a company that is primarily involved in the sale of software. Microsoft's operating systems are thought to be inferior to linux by many zealots, and flame wars occasionally errupt between zealots and realists on the issue. http://www.nimh.org/microsoft/ |
| 02:28.27 | evann | Is there a frontend I can use for my Epson Stylus Color 580 to clean the print head? |
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| 02:28.37 | MobyTurbo | who are these polish people who's opinions are so important? |
| 02:28.42 | greycat | "realists"?? |
| 02:28.49 | Phated | MS has realists? |
| 02:28.59 | guestish | they live in the google space station |
| 02:29.01 | mousex | What's good about raiser-fs as compared to ext3? |
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| 02:29.13 | guestish | !ricefs |
| 02:29.15 | guestish | !ricerfs |
| 02:29.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
| 02:29.20 | the1 | raiser: speed |
| 02:29.28 | Phated | mousex: Nothing, according to that. :) |
| 02:29.30 | mne | hi everybody ! I just installed kernel 2.6.9 and the new nvidia 1.0-6629 graphic driver for X.org. I use a cinerama dualheaded setup (big desktop) and since the driver upgrade quake3 doesn't work in fullscreen mode. What can i do ? the old driver doesn't seem to correctly compile for 2.6.9 |
| 02:29.35 | simmerz | does anyone have experience of using LIRC with the creative live drive? I am trying to get it to recognise the remote, but i think IR is turned off. I am using ALSA and kernel 2.6.6 |
| 02:29.47 | greycat | reiserfs may be more space-efficient when storing or retrieving a shitload of tiny files |
| 02:30.00 | greycat | err, space- when storing, time- when retrieving |
| 02:30.05 | rich_ | realism is like what you see on tv but dumbed down. Sur-realism is what 90% of our entertainment on tv is based on |
| 02:30.08 | maestro5 | mne: Ehrm, X.org? Compiled yourself? |
| 02:30.21 | mousex | then I guess raiserfs is not for me. |
| 02:30.22 | greycat | but do your own benchmarks, and make the trade-off against whatever estimate of security you feel is realistic |
| 02:30.41 | greycat | hint: if you can't spell reiserfs, it's probably not for you. |
| 02:30.48 | mousex | graycat: would you then prefer ext3 over raiserfs for databases (huge ones)? |
| 02:30.58 | greycat | yes |
| 02:31.08 | mne | maestro5: jep, from cvs. there's a debian x.org howto you can find on google. It works just fine for me and old XFree can be used simultaneously |
| 02:31.26 | fp42 | The1: and how about mepis ? As far as I understand, it's pretty much debian, without the hassle during the installation. And once it is installed, it IS debian, right ? |
| 02:31.31 | evann | how do I clean and align print heads in the gui? |
| 02:31.40 | Guerin | fp42: no. |
| 02:31.42 | maestro5 | mne: Ah ok, I trued the same setup, I just wanted to make sure this was no gentoo or ubuntu question |
| 02:31.43 | sijork | mousex: ReiserFS is faster than ext3fs, but ext3fs is safer. |
| 02:31.43 | the1 | mousex: btw...when you get your matrox card, you need to unplug your power cord before boot |
| 02:31.53 | maestro5 | mne: But I don't know how to help you :( |
| 02:31.59 | brian | maestro5: sorry...yeah..i'm not sure it says i need to be more specific...but it only goes up to 2.6.8 |
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| 02:32.02 | mne | maestro5: nevermind :) |
| 02:32.06 | mousex | the1: power cord! ;-) |
| 02:32.07 | sijork | mousex: You need to set to maximum logging,though. |
| 02:32.08 | fp42 | Guerin: ah ? Euh... So? |
| 02:32.13 | rich_ | nothing comes for free. You don't get debian without installing debian. |
| 02:32.16 | maestro5 | brian: Ah ok, then it is not in sarge yet |
| 02:32.24 | Guerin | fp42: the only thing which is debian once it's installed is debian. |
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| 02:32.34 | mousex | sijork: what's the journaling in ext3? |
| 02:32.38 | mousex | all about |
| 02:32.38 | brian | maestro5: is that my fault? |
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| 02:33.02 | maestro5 | brian: No, absolutely not. No problem, use that 2.6.8, but I heared that there were some problem related to cd burning as non-root |
| 02:33.03 | the1 | fp42: haven't used it..i actually like the debian install compared to the installers of most distros |
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| 02:33.10 | sijork | mousex: It allows you to rollback to a know good state when the system fails. |
| 02:33.17 | Guerin | fp42: all the debian-based distros use a mix of sources, use their own customised packages for some tasks (typically critical things like init) and have radically different default settings than debian does. |
| 02:33.20 | maestro5 | brian: It's not your fault, new packages take some time till they come into sarge |
| 02:33.23 | brian | that's okay..i'm prob not gonna burn cd's with this computer |
| 02:33.32 | greycat | dpkg, vorbis 1.1 is <reply> greycat got tired of waiting for bug #273567 to be fixed, so he package libvorbis 1.1.0 himself. It's at http://wooledge.org/~greg/vorbis/ for the brave souls of #debian. |
| 02:33.32 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 02:33.35 | mousex | sijorK kindof like not having to run fschk after power failure? |
| 02:33.52 | the1 | i would bet the best debian like distro with an easy installer is knoppix |
| 02:33.59 | sijork | mousex: Yeah, in theory, you never have to run fsck. |
| 02:34.15 | Guerin | the1: knoppix is not a distro anyone should install. |
| 02:34.20 | sijork | mousex: But in practice, you still run it for maintenance. |
| 02:34.28 | fp42 | Guerin: why so ? |
| 02:34.29 | mousex | sijork: that explains why fsck never showed up ten minutes ago . . . |
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| 02:34.37 | maestro5 | brian: Ok |
| 02:34.38 | the1 | Guerin: why not? |
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| 02:34.58 | sijork | mousex: ext3fs should be able to handle pulling the power plug during the middle of read or write |
| 02:35.10 | greycat | in theory. |
| 02:35.13 | maestro5 | brian: This will be a huge package, you have to make sure that it tells lilo or grub that there is a new kernel |
| 02:35.15 | mousex | sijork: I guess ext3 is good for people like me, who are kicking the power sourge all the time :) |
| 02:35.15 | sijork | mousex: make sure you set to maximum logging, though. |
| 02:35.25 | mousex | sijork: what's maximum loggin |
| 02:35.40 | sijork | mousex: It's an option to tune2fs IIRC. |
| 02:35.46 | the1 | theo de raadt hates the no fsck thing....i wonder why. |
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| 02:36.14 | sijork | mousex: 'ordered' I think. It allows journaling both data and metadata. Slower but safer. |
| 02:36.23 | Guerin | the1: it's not upgradeable |
| 02:36.25 | mousex | sijork: "i have no idea what you just said, but it sounded cool" |
| 02:36.33 | greycat | openbsd's file system is designed to ensure that an fsck is always POSSIBLE. linux's journaling file systems are designed to make an fsck very FAST, unless it's impossible and you have to rebuild the whole disk from scratch. |
| 02:36.38 | rich_ | Some people re-install after a while anyway. I mean maybe if you use some other program like knoppix or morphix or whatever to start useing debian packages you might see how great they are and want to use debian, and so youll install it. It just sucks when you try to help someone with something and it seems like debian but isnt as well integrated as it would have been if it was really debian. |
| 02:36.38 | sijork | mousex: You could've put it in when you formatted your partition too. |
| 02:36.46 | guestish | !filesystems |
| 02:36.46 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. slow but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. medium speed, probably reliable, medium size: jfs. If you have to ask, use ext3 |
| 02:36.55 | guestish | thats a useful factoid.. |
| 02:36.57 | mousex | !what is tune2fs |
| 02:36.58 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, mousex |
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| 02:37.13 | greycat | mousex: it has a man page |
| 02:37.19 | maestro5 | Phated: Do you know what a 'coñazo' is? |
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| 02:37.36 | Phated | maestro5: Nope, sorry. |
| 02:37.36 | sijork | mousex: Allows you to adjust ext3fs and ext2fs options after formatting. |
| 02:37.37 | Guerin | knoppix is a demo os, with demo defaults, demo settings, no upgrade path, and a system designed for flashiness, not stability or predictability. It's a short-term os. It' horribly insecure by default, its settings are utterly braindead... |
| 02:37.47 | maestro5 | Phated: That really is strange indeed |
| 02:37.50 | the1 | Guerin: it is upgradable once installed |
| 02:37.51 | mousex | graycat: not on debian right now :( so i can't read man pages |
| 02:38.00 | Phated | maestro5: Why? I'm not Spanish. |
| 02:38.01 | leOn | maestro5: has to do with c*nt |
| 02:38.03 | guestish | Guerin: well its made to run on a readonly filesystem, i dont think security was in mind when it was made |
| 02:38.04 | greycat | SEE? A real OS has online man pages for just that reason! |
| 02:38.14 | maestro5 | xLobeznox: I'm sorry if you don't like it :-/ |
| 02:38.15 | mousex | sijork: that's better, thanks. |
| 02:38.16 | Guerin | flash and instability are acceptable if you can upgrade things, but with knoppix that's not practical |
| 02:38.26 | the1 | Guerin: after a hard disk install and a few apt-get dist-upgrades and some good apt sources...its just like debian |
| 02:38.26 | sauron | question, if i wanted to remove every subdirectory in a certain tree, which had the same command how would i do it programmatically using shell commands ? find . -iname cookies | rm -r doesn't work |
| 02:38.26 | Guerin | the1: have you ever tried to do it? It's dangerous. |
| 02:38.30 | guestish | gabrielinux, wtf is that |
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| 02:38.38 | Guerin | the1: no, it fucking well is not. |
| 02:38.45 | mousex | BTW, is there a web site where I can read man pages for Debian??? |
| 02:38.49 | greycat | sauron: find . -iname cookies -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
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| 02:38.53 | the1 | Guerin: did it on my laptop and my friends comp |
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| 02:39.01 | guestish | mousex: why are you using gabrielinux? |
| 02:39.02 | abrotman | !party |
| 02:39.02 | dpkg | it has been said that party is Lego, and alcohol |
| 02:39.04 | sauron | thx greycat |
| 02:39.04 | greycat | sauron: this assumes cookies is a FILE name. |
| 02:39.24 | Guerin | the1: it's MORE dangerous than running stock debian unstable, and typically the people who end up trying to do it are those who are too stupid to install real debian, and that makes it twice as bad |
| 02:39.24 | sijork | Welp. Time to eat and get drunk. Laters. |
| 02:39.26 | mousex | guestish: why not? |
| 02:39.28 | greycat | if cookies is a DIRECTORY name, then you want "... | xargs -0 rm -r" and a good stiff coffee. |
| 02:39.33 | evann | does anyone know how to clean a print head? |
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| 02:39.39 | guestish | mousex: well it isnt debian ;) |
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| 02:39.43 | Phated | What the heck is gabrielinux? |
| 02:39.46 | guestish | mousex: not that that is bad, just this is a debian channel |
| 02:39.48 | sijork | evann: Wipe it with alchohol swab. |
| 02:39.52 | guestish | Phated: whatever he is using |
| 02:39.57 | Guerin | the1: I ran knoppix hdinstalls for several months on several computers, and all of them broke hard and quickly, through no fault of my own. |
| 02:39.59 | guestish | !gabrielinux |
| 02:40.03 | Phated | guestish: Is "he" in here? |
| 02:40.13 | guestish | Phated: the one i am talking to |
| 02:40.18 | guestish | Phated: mousex |
| 02:40.19 | Phated | guestish: Ah. |
| 02:40.24 | mousex | guestish: so? any could complain about you being a guest (-ish) user |
| 02:40.30 | Phated | mousex: What's gabrielinux? |
| 02:40.46 | guestish | mousex: this nick is registered, i've been guestish for a while |
| 02:41.00 | Phated | And as far as guestish being guestish, at least he uses Debian. |
| 02:41.04 | Guerin | the1: and then there are default settings, like sshd listening for X connections by default, sudo open to all users without password BY DEFAULT |
| 02:41.07 | MobyTurbo | Whatever gabrielinux is, it's not Debian. To find out more, go to distrowatch.com |
| 02:41.09 | rich_ | I see why people bring this question here. :) its because everyone knows this is where the smart people are and so they know they will get a fair, unbiased answer. Knoppix bad, debian good. |
| 02:41.30 | Phated | Smart, yes. Fair, unbiased? *HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA* |
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| 02:41.37 | mousex | gabrielinux is not linux, you dummies! It's part of my e-mail! |
| 02:41.37 | abrotman | where;s sgeiegerbot |
| 02:41.39 | samuel | sup all |
| 02:41.46 | loswillios | leOn: thank you for the help but i am so confused now, i'll try again tomorrow |
| 02:41.50 | mousex | lol |
| 02:41.57 | jmalicki_ | has anyone ever seen a machine that had a slow clock due to lack of timer interrupts, and have any idea what causes it? |
| 02:41.58 | the1 | Guerin: it may be a quick hack that only works some of the time....for me it has worked (I could have probably used stable or testing for my sources....i actually think i did at first and then upgraded to unstable...of course it is insecure, you should secure any distro besides maybe openbsd before connecting it to the net |
| 02:41.59 | wombachi | unbiased? hemm, welll, he he |
| 02:42.01 | peterS | I like the way rich_ worded that. "where the smart people are" - not "where all the people are smart", of course |
| 02:42.01 | samuel | anyone know of a firewall tool for iptables? something with a gui? |
| 02:42.06 | jmalicki_ | im getting like 2 timer interrupts a second instead of 100 |
| 02:42.10 | rich_ | :) |
| 02:42.23 | greycat | samuel: xterm |
| 02:42.31 | leOn | loswillios: no prob, feel free to come back each time you feel like getting confused... |
| 02:42.35 | leOn | =P |
| 02:42.36 | samuel | greycat: hahaha |
| 02:42.36 | Guerin | the1: it's more insecure than any distro I can think of. oit was designed to run in ram on a ro FS, for fuck's sakes. |
| 02:42.44 | loswillios | leOn: ;) cya |
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| 02:43.18 | the1 | Guerin: dead rat 5.2 is probably more insecure |
| 02:43.24 | mousex | Well, gabrielinux *was* part of my e-mail address; now that it's prone to flame and spam, I'll change it :) |
| 02:43.30 | greycat | it wasn't at the time of its release, though... |
| 02:43.38 | Guerin | the1: look at a knoppix hdinstall like this : dpkg -l |grep knopp # see how many critical packages are custom. Those packages WON'T upgrade when you do a dist-upgrade |
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| 02:44.43 | Guerin | the1: and you're demonstrating your profound lack of understanding of how debian-based OSen work by claiming you could have used stable sources for your knoppix install. That's pue bullshit, since all of woody's packages would be lower in versionn than anything knoppix, and wouldn't install without MASSIVE borkage. |
| 02:44.45 | the1 | Guerin: real debian is better...i agree and run it on most of my machines...those packages will get upgraded if the debian versions get apt-get installed and the knoppix ones get removed |
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| 02:45.05 | sussudio | in soviet germany, wall watches you. |
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| 02:45.28 | guestish | mousex: its your username, distros like to make the default username the name of the distro |
| 02:45.32 | guestish | mousex: call it advertising |
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| 02:45.46 | leOn | heck of a concert |
| 02:45.56 | Phated | Yeah, like knoppix@whatever. |
| 02:46.00 | mousex | guestish: what are you talking about? |
| 02:46.04 | rich_ | leOn who did you see? |
| 02:46.07 | mousex | !confuse guestish |
| 02:46.07 | dpkg | No, who was my gouda yesterday, guestish? lederhosen of the people's republic of tahiti with extra cream |
| 02:46.11 | guestish | !smack mousex |
| 02:46.16 | guestish | !wedgie mousex |
| 02:46.16 | Phated | mousex: Don't be lame, he was perfectly clear. |
| 02:46.22 | Guerin | the1: IF the knoppix ones are removed dna replace with their debian counterparts manually. But since there's no debian package called init-knoppix_foo_bar by default, that one ain't going anyplace... and it's init, for christ's sakes. It's not some trivial fucking thing you can aafford to have break. |
| 02:46.22 | loswillios | leOn: hehe not asleep. it works now!!111.. |
| 02:46.23 | guestish | arg, i gotta make one for that ;) |
| 02:46.25 | mousex | oh, fine . . . |
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| 02:46.30 | Phated | guestish: Alright you, to the other corner! :) |
| 02:46.36 | guestish | Phated: :) |
| 02:46.42 | Phated | guestish: :) |
| 02:46.45 | mousex | :) |
| 02:46.50 | guestish | !slap mousex |
| 02:46.52 | guestish | =D |
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| 02:46.59 | mousex | lol |
| 02:46.59 | guestish | mmm...botabuse is fun |
| 02:47.02 | leOn | rich_: tv is passing the roger waters concert in berlin, the wall |
| 02:47.13 | brian | maestro5: I did apt-get install kernel..bla bla... is there anything i should know before i reboot? |
| 02:47.29 | peterS | The Wall is useless without Gilmour |
| 02:47.30 | mousex | so how much damage can a simple ! do? |
| 02:47.31 | rich_ | leOn cool. |
| 02:47.38 | maestro5 | brian: Yep |
| 02:47.41 | Phated | !kill mousex |
| 02:47.41 | guestish | brayra: dont remove the old kernel |
| 02:47.43 | mousex | !break |
| 02:47.43 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 02:47.43 | maestro5 | brian: Do you use lilo? |
| 02:47.44 | wombachi | brian, check lilo.conf, rerun lilo -t if your paranoid |
| 02:47.45 | Phated | That much. :) |
| 02:47.45 | guestish | !!! |
| 02:47.45 | leOn | LOL @ peterS |
| 02:47.46 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 02:47.51 | guestish | !!!!!!!!! |
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| 02:47.53 | guestish | hrm |
| 02:47.55 | guestish | !!!!! |
| 02:47.55 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 02:47.57 | guestish | there |
| 02:47.57 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 02:48.02 | peterS | !stupid bot tricks |
| 02:48.03 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 02:48.05 | brian | maestro5: no grub |
| 02:48.07 | the1 | Guerin: that would make sence....i wonder if someone has set up an apt repository that upgrades a knoppix install to a stable and up to date distro? |
| 02:48.13 | Guerin | !sense |
| 02:48.13 | dpkg | it has been said that sense is what I don't make |
| 02:48.17 | guestish | peterS: some things never grow old ;) |
| 02:48.21 | maestro5 | brian: check /etc/lilo.conf |
| 02:48.21 | peterS | guestish: like you? |
| 02:48.22 | the1 | Guerin: **and secure |
| 02:48.27 | Phated | Peter Pan! |
| 02:48.29 | guestish | peterS: har har har |
| 02:48.30 | maestro5 | brian: watch for the new kernel. is it there> |
| 02:48.37 | mousex | !eat dpkg |
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| 02:48.44 | guestish | !botabuse |
| 02:48.45 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 02:48.49 | mousex | et tu dpkg |
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| 02:48.57 | budluva | ok i have a problem |
| 02:49.00 | Guerin | the1: no, I doubt it. Why would anyone bother, when there is a fucking up-to-date, secure and usable distro out there already? |
| 02:49.02 | peterS | mousex: dpkg accepts commands via /msg. if you use that, the rest of us don't have to watch. |
| 02:49.02 | guestish | budluva: yes you do |
| 02:49.06 | maestro5 | budluva: If it's only one... |
| 02:49.08 | evann | help, I cant fo rthe life of me find and print head alignment, ink change head clean utility frontnd for linux, can anyone help me? |
| 02:49.24 | Phated | evann: Try doing it by HAND?! |
| 02:49.26 | leOn | i have many problems, should i begin my presentation..? |
| 02:49.32 | mousex | peterS: I'm not the one who started it . . . |
| 02:49.37 | budluva | i just apt-get installed x-window-system, gnome-core, and gdm, and thought i configured everything ok, then i went to su - then /etc/init.d/gdm start and i got to the graphical login, but no mouse or keyboard |
| 02:49.41 | mousex | !ask guestish who started it |
| 02:49.45 | guestish | leOn: well how about buy giving 5 dollars each :) |
| 02:49.46 | brian | maestro5: there is no /etc/lilo.conf |
| 02:49.51 | budluva | so now my system starts and boots to graphical login and now i cant do anything |
| 02:49.52 | guestish | leOn: by* |
| 02:49.54 | brian | maestro5: i use grub |
| 02:49.55 | peterS | <mousex> so how much damage can a simple ! do? |
| 02:50.02 | evann | Phated: well toss me a bone dude, where do I start? |
| 02:50.05 | guestish | budluva: wow, that sucks |
| 02:50.10 | mousex | budluva: are they ps2 or usb? |
| 02:50.13 | budluva | yes, yes it does |
| 02:50.14 | guestish | budluva: must be faulty configuration settings |
| 02:50.14 | budluva | ps2 |
| 02:50.17 | maestro5 | brian: Ok, then check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:50.25 | guestish | mousex: you want to ask me something? |
| 02:50.26 | Guerin | mousex: to answer your question, depends if you end up with it embedded in your speen or not |
| 02:50.30 | maestro5 | brian: Look if both kernels (especially the old one) are there |
| 02:50.31 | Guerin | spleen, even |
| 02:50.33 | fp42 | the1: how about sarge ? Is it kernel 2.6? XFree4? Is it that unstable ? |
| 02:50.33 | guestish | evann: i dunno if you can do it |
| 02:50.40 | mousex | peterS: not much demage, really; it can simply annoy people |
| 02:50.44 | guestish | evann: if its a hp printer there might be some utility for it |
| 02:50.48 | Phated | evann: Let's see... Ink changes... Open up prnter, remove old catridge, insert new cartridge. Print head cleaner... Open printer, swab with alcohol, close printer. |
| 02:50.53 | maestro5 | fp42: 2.6 yes, XFree4 yes, unstable: not really |
| 02:50.57 | peterS | mousex: yes. and it has. please stop it. now. |
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| 02:51.12 | guestish | Phated: alchol? |
| 02:51.16 | Guerin | fp42: sarge is good, and solid enough for most everyday usage. kernel 2.6, very recent X driver support, etc. |
| 02:51.20 | guestish | Phated: why alcohol? |
| 02:51.33 | Phated | guestish: *shrugs* I don't drink it, might as well use it for something. |
| 02:51.34 | brian | maestro5: OH YEAH BABY...its there |
| 02:51.34 | mousex | budluva: did you set /dev/psaux for your mouse when configuring X? |
| 02:51.41 | budluva | mousex, yes |
| 02:52.01 | maestro5 | brian: Ok, then you can try to reboot. Chose the new kernel from the list |
| 02:52.04 | fp42 | One last thing : how about asian languages ? I have a hard time using Korean characters on FC2 (though it used to work on FC1... go figure) |
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| 02:52.13 | fp42 | Does anybody know ? |
| 02:52.14 | evann | Phated: the problem is its an Epson and It like it when I use its utilities to do simple things like changing the cartridge, there is a cli frontend for it but I cant access the printer from it |
| 02:52.14 | mousex | budluva: try xf86cfg -- I think that's a graphical configuration tool where you can use the numberpad while you set everything up |
| 02:52.17 | maestro5 | brian: If you have some troubles with that new kernel, reboot and boot the old one |
| 02:52.19 | samuel | ive got a computer configured with debian testing - x is configured, the mouse is usb but the wheel doesnt work? is there some dummy setting that i forgot? ive done the text mode config for x |
| 02:52.24 | sussudio | umm... |
| 02:52.25 | maestro5 | brian: the old one _should_ work |
| 02:52.29 | brian | maestro5: what possible problems could i have? |
| 02:52.29 | Guerin | fp42: yeah, it's trivial. I have mine set up to display korean, japanese, chinese |
| 02:52.30 | simmerz | how do i turn on livedrive IR? debian sid, kernel 2.6.6, alsa |
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| 02:52.31 | guestish | fp42: installing the codecs is a good start |
| 02:52.37 | lunaphyte | how can i remove/disable unwanted kernel modules? |
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| 02:52.40 | sussudio | fp42: fc being fedora? |
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| 02:52.41 | budluva | mousex, but i cant get to command line, my pc boots right to graphical login |
| 02:52.42 | Phated | evann: *shrugs* I'm just guessing here. |
| 02:52.55 | mousex | Ctrl + Alt + F1 |
| 02:52.58 | Phated | sussudio: He's switching to Debian, or might be. Chill. |
| 02:53.01 | maestro5 | brian: If there is a serious problem somewhere with grub or the kernels, you can't boot any of them |
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| 02:53.05 | mousex | budluva: or Ctrl + Alt + Esc |
| 02:53.06 | sussudio | Phated: NEIN |
| 02:53.13 | brian | maestro5: i'll reboot...bbl |
| 02:53.14 | evann | Phated: k thanks im gonna mess with the CLI thing |
| 02:53.15 | Guerin | fp42: if you want asian input, you'll be needing to set some locales up, but it's all doable |
| 02:53.21 | maestro5 | brian: Good luck |
| 02:53.31 | budluva | mousex, but i have no keyboard or mouse |
| 02:53.36 | j4cbo | i'm trying to install gnupod, and dpkg is giving a configuration error on libxml-sax-perl |
| 02:53.36 | guestish | fp42: doh, i mean locales |
| 02:53.37 | Phated | sussudio: *shrugs* fine. |
| 02:53.46 | guestish | fp42: also insall freewnn-kserver |
| 02:53.56 | mousex | budluva: hum . . . |
| 02:54.06 | guestish | fp42: for most apps you will also need some sort of mule type support |
| 02:54.13 | sussudio | Phated: DACHS DACHS DACHS JAAA |
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| 02:54.21 | fp42 | Guerin : kool. Does it work with IIMF (or something like that) ? guestish : mule ??? sussudio : yes : FC=Fedora Core |
| 02:54.21 | mousex | budluva: do you mean you don't have a physical keyboard, or it just isn't responding? |
| 02:54.31 | Guerin | fp42: iimf? |
| 02:54.35 | Guerin | !iimf? |
| 02:54.37 | budluva | not responding |
| 02:54.44 | j4cbo | i might have installed it via cpan... how would i fix it? |
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| 02:54.52 | fp42 | !IIIMF |
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| 02:55.01 | guestish | fp42: its what korean support is called in emacs, other apps sometimes have modules to use with other programs |
| 02:55.03 | mousex | budluva: try pressing ctrl+alt+esc anyway and hope it works . . . |
| 02:55.10 | budluva | no |
| 02:55.13 | SuperQ | any alpha people around? |
| 02:55.14 | guestish | fp42: check out 'ami' too |
| 02:55.18 | j4cbo | "Can't locate object method "save_parsers_debian" via package "XML::SAX" at /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers line 90."... anyone know? |
| 02:55.27 | Guerin | MULE = MUlti Language Extensions or somesuch |
| 02:55.46 | mousex | budluva: or check out www.debianhelp.org and look at the recent (last 48 hours) posts, where somebody posted about the same problem |
| 02:55.47 | guestish | yeah...for eastern languages |
| 02:56.13 | mousex | SuperQ: i'm alpha, but I use x86 ;) |
| 02:56.15 | samuel | is there some sort of log that tracks changes made by apt? |
| 02:56.29 | Guerin | samuel: no. |
| 02:56.31 | xpato | how can i get tranparency to work in xorg? |
| 02:56.33 | guestish | samuel: if there is i'd like to know about it |
| 02:56.38 | Guerin | !kill xpato |
| 02:56.38 | guestish | !topicsmite xpato |
| 02:56.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon xpato. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:56.41 | peterS | xpato: this is #debian |
| 02:56.45 | Guerin | !get xorg |
| 02:56.45 | mousex | got to go . . . |
| 02:56.46 | dpkg | get xorg is, like, see http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. If you whine about your xorg problems in #debian, we will show no mercy. |
| 02:56.55 | Guerin | xpato: ^^ remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. |
| 02:56.57 | mousex | dpkg: bye |
| 02:56.57 | dpkg | Cya, mousex |
| 02:57.00 | guestish | wow, that was fast |
| 02:57.02 | SuperQ | mousex: heh.. i'm trying to use D-I on an alpha, but the docs say use milo, but no milo is on the boot CD |
| 02:57.05 | mousex | dpkg: hasta la vista, baby! |
| 02:57.06 | dpkg | mousex: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:57.14 | peterS | mousex: I SAID, PLEASE STOP |
| 02:57.27 | mousex | peterS: :) |
| 02:57.32 | sussudio | Guerin: is there anything even remotely dangerous in NZ at all? except disgruntled sheep? |
| 02:57.34 | fp42 | guestish : for Korean, there's nabi that's more recent. Now, the bottom line is, is it hours of tweaking if I want to use Korean in a French (actually Quebecker) environment ? Or is is easy enough to set up ? |
| 02:57.41 | peterS | mousex: dpkg accepts commands via /msg. if you aren't sure how to use a /msg interface, let me know and I can explain |
| 02:57.45 | mousex | SuperQ: sorry, I was just kidding. I don't use alpha. Perhpas the1 would now . . . |
| 02:57.47 | samuel | all packages are supposed to have a changelog or is it optional? |
| 02:57.58 | peterS | samuel: it's required |
| 02:57.59 | guestish | fp42: i've never tried |
| 02:58.00 | SuperQ | mousex: ok.. thanks anyway |
| 02:58.06 | guestish | fp42: im a native english speaker |
| 02:58.06 | samuel | thanks |
| 02:58.44 | Guerin | sussudio: wild pigs, dogs, cattle. poisonous spiders. sharks. dope-growing gangs in the hills. meth dealing gangs in the cities. |
| 02:58.53 | guestish | Guerin: they should add that link to topic, the get xorg one |
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| 02:59.05 | guestish | Guerin: oh, nvm |
| 02:59.05 | xam | mousex, the1: back ... I just compiled and rebooted into the latest kernel from CVS (linux-2.6.10-rc1-pa11) |
| 02:59.09 | Guerin | sussudio: in the animal department, no, not really. wild pigs and cattle are about the most dangerous animals in NZ. |
| 02:59.10 | brian | maestro5: looks like all is well |
| 02:59.27 | guestish | xam: ah, need a driver in the experimental kernel? |
| 02:59.27 | MerlinCorey_ | !gentoosmite wastrel |
| 02:59.28 | maestro5 | brian: great |
| 02:59.29 | fp42 | guestish: well, a Western language, for all that matters. |
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| 02:59.43 | peterS | Guerin: wild boars can be pretty dangerous |
| 02:59.51 | brian | now, regarding the centrino driver |
| 02:59.51 | sussudio | Guerin: they had an episode of "Wild Boyz" in NZ.. it was kinda tame |
| 02:59.56 | guestish | fp42: i guess, most everything is written in english which makes it easy for me |
| 02:59.59 | j4cbo | gah... is there a way to uninstall something with the cpan shell? |
| 03:00.03 | xam | guestish: yeah :-/ ... but 2.6 is better supported on hppa than 2.4 anyway |
| 03:00.03 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, they're bad motherfuckers alright. |
| 03:00.12 | Guerin | sussudio: never heard of it. |
| 03:00.29 | guestish | xam: ah |
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| 03:00.39 | peterS | j4cbo: ask in #perl. in Debian you don't usually use the cpan shell, you install Debian packages instead |
| 03:00.40 | Guerin | sussudio: part of the reason NZ has more hunters per capita than any other industrialised nation is because it's not very dangerous. |
| 03:00.43 | guestish | xam: its really too bad that not everything is as well supported as x86 |
| 03:01.16 | sussudio | Guerin: it's a spinoff of jackass |
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| 03:01.30 | maestro5 | brian: ok |
| 03:01.41 | samuel | if i have a choice of using an rpm and alien or the source what is better? |
| 03:01.43 | xam | guestish: well, pa-risc is keeping up quite nicely ... better than alpha or sparc IMO (and I have/use all mentioned archs) |
| 03:01.48 | Guerin | sussudio: never seen that. Have vaguely heard of it. isn't it just "When Americans Do Stupid SHit!!!1" |
| 03:01.52 | maestro5 | brian: you need ipw2200 and not 2100, right? |
| 03:02.01 | guestish | xam: cool |
| 03:02.03 | SuperQ | blah.. no alpha love |
| 03:02.04 | sussudio | Guerin: this one is stupid things with animals |
| 03:02.17 | guestish | xam: i wish sparc was well supported, considering i have one ;) |
| 03:02.18 | sussudio | Guerin: the sheep didn't put up much of a fight |
| 03:02.28 | Guerin | samuel: depends on the package. Check the source to see if it has debian build scripts - many sources do come with them. |
| 03:02.37 | Guerin | sussudio: they don't, typically. |
| 03:02.58 | brian | maestro5: yes sir |
| 03:03.13 | maestro5 | apt-get install module-assistant ipw2200 |
| 03:03.15 | maestro5 | apt-get install module-assistant ipw2200-source |
| 03:03.26 | maestro5 | you need that -source suffix |
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| 03:03.37 | samuel | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:03.38 | budluva | how do i get to a lilo prompt? without lilo automatically booting to gdm? |
| 03:03.40 | xam | guestish: what kind of sparc? |
| 03:03.46 | guestish | xam: u2 |
| 03:03.49 | kingsley | Typing "linux" for the first time at bash's prompt ends up with |
| 03:03.56 | Guerin | budluva: hold shift when it boots |
| 03:04.02 | budluva | Guerin, thanks |
| 03:04.03 | kingsley | VFS: Cannot open root device "ubd0" or 62:00 |
| 03:04.11 | xam | guestish: ss20 here |
| 03:04.13 | guestish | xam: SMP is broken on my sparc cause of its nullmodem setup or something like that |
| 03:04.14 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 03:04.14 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp) |
| 03:04.20 | kingsley | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 62:00 |
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| 03:04.23 | guestish | xam: heh, it a good footrest? :) |
| 03:04.27 | Guerin | kingsley: ^^ |
| 03:04.33 | kingsley | among other messages. |
| 03:04.36 | xam | guestish: kind of ;) not fast AT ALL |
| 03:04.49 | kingsley | I gather from Googling that I need a root file system, but I have yet to find concise instructions for how to make one. |
| 03:04.53 | guestish | xam: i bet, its only what? 85 mhz? |
| 03:04.55 | kingsley | Suggestions? |
| 03:04.59 | Guerin | kingsley: ah, you've fucked up your UML kernel |
| 03:05.10 | brian | maestro5: really quick..is there an easy way to change the mouse sensitivity? |
| 03:05.20 | xam | guestish: nope, dual hypersparc 170MHz |
| 03:05.24 | Guerin | kingsley: read that norootfs factoid above; for details on how not to fuck up a uml kernel, ask #usermodelinux |
| 03:05.28 | guestish | xam: really? not bad.. |
| 03:05.28 | brian | maestro5: its way faster in the newer kernel |
| 03:05.38 | guestish | xam: though probably overpriced at 20 dollars ;) |
| 03:05.50 | budluva | mousex, ok im gonna try linux init=/bin/sh then im gonna rename /etc/init.d/gdm to /etc/init.d/gdm.donotuse, so then ill be able to boot to non-graphical login right? |
| 03:05.54 | Guerin | brian: xset |
| 03:06.00 | brian | aite sweet |
| 03:06.39 | maestro5 | brian: you mean in X11? |
| 03:06.46 | xam | guestish: booting it is like rolling dice ... you never know what will happen. I'll boot 1 out of 5 times; the damn hypersparc have some cache-aligning issues |
| 03:06.47 | budluva | ok, nevermind, im at shell now, how do i re-configure gdm to use my keyboard and mouse? |
| 03:06.51 | maestro5 | brian: surely, but I don't know |
| 03:06.55 | mne | i have one of those crappy ac97 soundcards (nvidia nforce, alsa i810 driver). Is there a way to do sound multiplexing so that multiple applications can simulanously play sound ? I don't want to use the crappy sound daemons like arts and stuff. I already tried the closed-source nvidia nforce driver. The problem with it is that it's oss and there are quite a few applications that don't work with the driver |
| 03:07.03 | Empty | How do I apt-get sarge? |
| 03:07.04 | xam | s/I'll/It'll/ |
| 03:07.09 | maestro5 | mne: alsa dmix |
| 03:07.11 | guestish | xam: yeah...u2s can be like that too |
| 03:07.18 | maestro5 | mne: I set up that on a intel thing last week |
| 03:07.18 | peterS | Empty: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 03:07.33 | Empty | peterS, thanks |
| 03:07.42 | mne | maestro5: dmix ? and it does actually work, so one can even play quake3 withous sound lag ? |
| 03:07.45 | maestro5 | brian: module-assistant auto-install ipw2200 for building the drivers |
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| 03:08.12 | maestro5 | mne: no idea about quake, but xmms and aplay and things like that worked |
| 03:08.13 | Empty | Anyone here done it? I am wondering what "less painless" is... |
| 03:08.17 | peterS | Ether_Man: dude, fix the spelling in your quit message |
| 03:08.35 | mne | maestro5: cool, i'll try it :) thx for the tip |
| 03:08.42 | peterS | Ether_Man: ironically enough, the 'existance' table does not exist. the 'existence' table does |
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| 03:09.04 | xam | guestish: well, alpha is in better shape than sun, but still ... it is basically an art to be able to produce a working kernel for alpha (especially if you use ARC console) |
| 03:09.05 | Sep` | nice topic |
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| 03:09.11 | guestish | xam: lol |
| 03:09.18 | guestish | xam: sounds terrible |
| 03:09.29 | budluva | maestro5, ok, so how do i login now? do i have to login:hostname or what? because when i try logging in using login, i type my usr/passwd and then get budluva@(none): |
| 03:09.30 | guestish | xam: how does that make it better =P |
| 03:09.30 | maestro5 | mne: That's the guide: http://opensrc.org/alsa/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 03:09.34 | Ether_Man | peterS: eh? I deleted that quitmsg month ago O_o guess it doesnt go away until I set something new :/ |
| 03:09.48 | xam | guestish: well, once you have a working kernel, it is ultra stable and no driver issues ... |
| 03:09.55 | xam | guestish: almost like a PC |
| 03:09.56 | maestro5 | brian: I hope it'll work |
| 03:09.56 | peterS | -!- Ether_Man [EtherMan@h184n1fls305o968.telia.com] has quit ["DELETE FROM existance WHERE name='Ether_Man';"] |
| 03:09.59 | guestish | xam: ooo, fancy |
| 03:10.10 | mne | maestro5: thanks, i'm already reading :) |
| 03:10.22 | maestro5 | budluva: Ehrm, I forgot what we were doing? Update to sarge? Run X? |
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| 03:10.26 | maestro5 | mne: Np |
| 03:10.28 | the_ultimate_sam | yay it finished |
| 03:10.38 | maestro5 | mne: Read the comments as well |
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| 03:10.48 | exobyte_ | in open space, what range could I get with 802.11g? |
| 03:10.55 | Ether_Man | peterS: oh well.. setting it to - now. thanks for letting me know it was still there ^_^ |
| 03:11.01 | peterS | heh |
| 03:11.19 | budluva | maestro5, i installed x, gnome, and gdm, but when i boot to gdm i dont have keyboard/mouse, so im now at budluva@(none): trying to rename /etc/init.d/gdm to /etc/init.d/gdm.donotuse so it wont boot to graphical login so i can re-configure my mouse/keyboard |
| 03:11.26 | guestish | xam: |
| 03:11.38 | xam | guestish: the PA-RISC is kind of inbetween (feels like an exotic RISC box, still you can use normal PCI stuff). At least the (2.6) kernel is very stable ... and even boots _every_ time correctly ;) |
| 03:11.48 | budluva | maestro5, but i dont think im logging in right because i get budluva@(none): |
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| 03:12.02 | guestish | xam: probably rare to find one then ;) |
| 03:12.39 | guestish | xam: the one thing i like about my sparc box is the 2 gigs of ram, its nice |
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| 03:12.47 | maestro5 | budluva: Ok |
| 03:12.53 | guestish | !silence jharrison |
| 03:12.54 | Guerin | !tell budluva about nodm |
| 03:12.57 | guestish | hrm..nothing |
| 03:12.59 | guestish | oh well |
| 03:13.03 | xam | guestish: well, rarer than SPARC ... but not as rare as alpha or mips, at least not on ebay |
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| 03:13.06 | maestro5 | budluva: So when you boot, there is gdm (graphical login), but keyboard does not work? |
| 03:13.06 | Guerin | budluva: boot into single and kill your dm as per that factoid |
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| 03:13.20 | guestish | xam: doesnt hp make pa-risc? |
| 03:13.27 | xam | guestish: yes |
| 03:13.29 | jharrison | guestish: you cant silence me |
| 03:13.29 | maestro5 | brian: does it work? |
| 03:13.33 | budluva | maestro5, ya, keyboard and mouse dont work |
| 03:13.34 | the1 | guestish: there are many on ebay |
| 03:13.43 | jharrison | guestish: let me just double check |
| 03:13.53 | maestro5 | budluva: So you type someting and nothing happens? Strange |
| 03:13.56 | guestish | jharrison: lol |
| 03:14.01 | maestro5 | budluva: what if you startx |
| 03:14.01 | budluva | maestro5, ya |
| 03:14.03 | guestish | the1: i dont see many |
| 03:14.04 | budluva | i cant |
| 03:14.08 | Guerin | budluva: using a debian kernel? |
| 03:14.10 | xam | guestish: but you don't want to buy a new one ... there are plenty on ebay |
| 03:14.15 | maestro5 | budluva: What happens? |
| 03:14.17 | budluva | Guerin, ya, just updated to sarge |
| 03:14.25 | budluva | maestro5, i cant get to command line to do it |
| 03:14.26 | guestish | big computers... |
| 03:14.35 | the1 | yep |
| 03:14.37 | Guerin | budluva: hey, I just told you how to get a command line |
| 03:14.37 | jharrison | guestish: yeah, you cant silence me! |
| 03:14.44 | budluva | maestro5, unless i hold shift when lilo loads, then linux init=/bin/sh, that sound right? |
| 03:14.55 | budluva | or should i be doing something else? |
| 03:15.05 | guestish | !lobotomy jharrison |
| 03:15.05 | Guerin | budluva: yes, tag that onto the end of your kernel arg line |
| 03:15.17 | maestro5 | budluva: No, this is one way of debugging if X11 hangs on boot |
| 03:15.20 | guestish | xam: wow, they are expensive |
| 03:15.23 | Guerin | budluva: then do echo "false" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 03:15.41 | maestro5 | budluva: If you have moved that symlink, reboot |
| 03:15.48 | budluva | moved what symlink? |
| 03:15.49 | xam | guestish: not the older ones (eg.7xx, C2x0, B2000, C3000) |
| 03:15.52 | maestro5 | budluva: X11 should not boot then and you can try startx |
| 03:15.53 | lunaphyte | is there a vipw equivalent for editing /etc/group ? |
| 03:15.54 | the1 | guestish: but you have to considder they are around twice as fast as a PC with the same mhz specs |
| 03:15.58 | the_ultimate_sam | whats the dif between gnome and kde |
| 03:16.03 | maestro5 | budluva: /etc/init.d/gdm. It's not a symlink, sorry |
| 03:16.09 | guestish | the1: whys that? large cache? |
| 03:16.12 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Look at the screenshots |
| 03:16.20 | xam | guestish: yes, HP was always more expensive than Alpha and Sun |
| 03:16.26 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: It's very difficult to tell |
| 03:16.29 | the_ultimate_sam | ...there r none |
| 03:16.36 | the_ultimate_sam | so just pick one eh |
| 03:16.44 | brian | maestro5: no it doesn't work |
| 03:16.45 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ok |
| 03:16.50 | budluva | maestro5, you want me to apt-get remove gdm? |
| 03:16.50 | maestro5 | brian: :(( |
| 03:16.54 | Guerin | maestro5: wtf symlink did you tell him to move? |
| 03:16.55 | maestro5 | brian: What happens? |
| 03:16.57 | brian | maestro5: it gave me errors |
| 03:16.58 | jharrison | !kill dpkg |
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| 03:17.06 | guestish | xam: scary thought |
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| 03:17.14 | the1 | guestish: large caches, risc design, overall better components...(scsi disks with lots of cache, ecc ram, etc) |
| 03:17.18 | jharrison | a dead bot cant lobotomize anyone |
| 03:17.22 | maestro5 | Guerin: I didn't do anything. He moved /etc/init.d/gdm and I called it as symlink by accident |
| 03:17.25 | Area-51 | what xserver driver should i use for a trident blade 3d? |
| 03:17.28 | brian | maestro5: there are a number of things it tells me...i'll tell them to you one at a time |
| 03:17.42 | Guerin | maestro5: ok, so that was his stupid idea, not yourse |
| 03:17.42 | maestro5 | brian: Paste them into a query |
| 03:17.48 | Guerin | s/se// |
| 03:17.57 | brian | maestro5: query? |
| 03:17.57 | maestro5 | Guerin: Yep |
| 03:18.01 | guestish | the1: meh |
| 03:18.07 | maestro5 | brian: private chat |
| 03:18.15 | Guerin | budluva: oy, don't fuck with init.d scripts. I told you how to stop gdm from loading, do it properly. |
| 03:18.27 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: 3min40s to go |
| 03:18.33 | xam | guestish: unlike the Suns, DEC Alphas and especially SGIs, those PA-RISC boxes are built like tanks ... heavy and indestructible |
| 03:18.36 | Area-51 | what xserver driver should i use for a trident blade 3d? |
| 03:18.40 | Guerin | !beer SamAdamsLuva |
| 03:18.43 | budluva | Guerin, by what dpkg tells me? |
| 03:18.45 | guestish | xam: must make good fileservers |
| 03:19.03 | Guerin | budluva: yes, echo "false" > /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 03:19.04 | Phated | guestish: Make good tanks too. |
| 03:19.08 | xam | guestish: yeah, mostly used as database servers and CAD workstations |
| 03:19.12 | guestish | Phated: lol |
| 03:19.15 | exobyte_ | anyone know of a pda with a built-in camera that could be set up to wirelessly send the images? I'd like a live video stream with < 1sec delay |
| 03:19.24 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you're still awake :) |
| 03:19.26 | Phated | guestish: Or one of those 100lb things you drop on Wile E. Coyote. :) |
| 03:19.41 | guestish | an avil |
| 03:19.43 | guestish | anvil* |
| 03:19.47 | Phated | Yes that would be it. |
| 03:19.56 | guestish | :) |
| 03:19.59 | budluva | argh |
| 03:19.59 | k-god | exobyte_: Probably one of the new camera phones. |
| 03:20.07 | budluva | Guerin, ok, well i cant su - |
| 03:20.09 | Guerin | exobyte_: hundreds of korean phones do that... but afaik you can't get them without annoying shitty fucked up fake-camera sounds, the latest kpop tunes for ringtones and windows CE |
| 03:20.18 | exobyte_ | k-god: maybe |
| 03:20.19 | k-god | exobyte_: Nokia makes some cool ones, Andrew Orlowski of The Register tends to be all over that. |
| 03:20.19 | abydos | cafuego: My commendations on: <cafuego> '*!*@*' on efnet.. fuckwit. You made bash with that. |
| 03:20.25 | Guerin | budluva: if you boot to init=/bin/sh you won't need to |
| 03:20.25 | SamAdamsLuva | Guerin: that's a major problem with linux and computers in general... ya can't get a beer out of 'm |
| 03:20.35 | guestish | xam: so im guessing they arent made from the same components of compaqs ;) |
| 03:20.44 | Guerin | SamAdamsLuva: that is an unfortunate design flaw. |
| 03:20.45 | budluva | Guerin, ya i get (none):~# |
| 03:20.48 | xam | guestish: no HP uses real metal |
| 03:20.49 | the1 | xam: the sgi indy was pritty durrable |
| 03:20.51 | Guerin | budluva: you're root. |
| 03:21.16 | guestish | xam: heh |
| 03:21.20 | the1 | xam: small footprint, but you could stack lots of other boxes or a big monitor on that little box |
| 03:21.22 | Sep` | i have a secondary 80gig drive, could i format it as fat32 and mount it in debian ? |
| 03:21.27 | budluva | and then i try echo "false" .... i get -su: /etc/X11/default-display-manager: Read-only file system. |
| 03:21.28 | xam | the1: I just had a SGI Iris 4d and still have a SGI O2 ... the cases suck! |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: yes you can |
| 03:21.40 | Guerin | budluva: yeeah, you need to remount it rw |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: done yet? |
| 03:21.53 | peterS | xam: agreed on the O2 case. I don't remember the Iris 4d case |
| 03:21.56 | budluva | ermmm ok.... |
| 03:21.56 | the1 | xam: 4d and o2 (and indy) were not high end sgi products |
| 03:22.02 | Guerin | budluva: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 03:22.08 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: just about |
| 03:22.12 | abrotman | xam: my indigo case was nice |
| 03:22.16 | abrotman | err indigo2 |
| 03:22.17 | SamAdamsLuva | 10s :) |
| 03:22.20 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 03:22.21 | peterS | the1: true, high-end SGI products come with their own racks on casters |
| 03:22.27 | abrotman | then 20 minutes of package config :) |
| 03:22.27 | budluva | ok |
| 03:22.35 | the1 | onyx or altix :-) |
| 03:22.38 | budluva | Guerin, remounted, then ran echo "false", now what? |
| 03:22.43 | xam | peterS: pretty similar to the O2 actually (but with corners) |
| 03:22.47 | budluva | i should be able to reboot without going to gdm? |
| 03:23.02 | maestro5 | budluva: yes |
| 03:23.04 | Guerin | budluva: did you move your gdm script back into place in init.d ? |
| 03:23.04 | the_ultimate_sam | ...sarge failed to install |
| 03:23.05 | SamAdamsLuva | oops, I thnk I goofed somethin up |
| 03:23.11 | xam | peterS: I mean the case, not the hardware |
| 03:23.14 | budluva | Guerin, ya, its still /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 03:23.17 | SamAdamsLuva | maybe not |
| 03:23.17 | peterS | xam: of course (: |
| 03:23.35 | budluva | Guerin, now just type reboot or what? |
| 03:23.35 | Guerin | budluva: good, bounce, it won't boot into gdm or X or anything other than a pure and simple console |
| 03:23.39 | the_ultimate_sam | cannot locate file/basename.pm |
| 03:23.44 | SamAdamsLuva | I got a Fetched statement then, debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Illegal seek |
| 03:23.47 | Guerin | budluva: yeah, shutdown -r now |
| 03:23.50 | budluva | ok |
| 03:24.05 | the_ultimate_sam | that was the first error |
| 03:24.08 | peterS | Guerin: I use "shutdown -r now" out of habit, but "reboot" is probably easier to remember |
| 03:24.11 | the_ultimate_sam | then more came after that |
| 03:24.16 | Guerin | peterS: heh, that's true |
| 03:24.24 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: did it keep going? |
| 03:24.36 | Guerin | I ran into a system where it didn't work once, so I'm never sure of the rules |
| 03:24.43 | SamAdamsLuva | nope |
| 03:24.46 | Guerin | maybe a woody box? I dunno. |
| 03:24.49 | xam | abrotman: I used to work with Indys and Indigo2s, both looked like they had the same durability like the Sun SparcStation 5/10/20 ... |
| 03:24.52 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: error? |
| 03:24.53 | peterS | Guerin: AIX uses "shutdown -Fr", no time spec. just in case you ever need to know (: |
| 03:25.10 | SamAdamsLuva | debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Illegal seek |
| 03:25.11 | abrotman | xam: it was ok .. |
| 03:25.13 | peterS | -F is for "full shutdown", -r is of course reboot |
| 03:25.15 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: please tell us exactley about the errors |
| 03:25.20 | abrotman | xam: depends on the age of the sparc box though |
| 03:25.35 | peterS | oddly enough, -r does not imply -F |
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| 03:25.42 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:25.49 | mousex | Yeah, baby, I'm back!!! |
| 03:26.02 | the_ultimate_sam | well as i was i got my first error as cannot locate file/basename.pm |
| 03:26.05 | peterS | I was just letting out a long sigh on dpkg's behalf |
| 03:26.24 | the_ultimate_sam | then begin failed |
| 03:26.29 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: wtf is that? |
| 03:26.57 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman the only thing I got for an error... Ilegal Seek! |
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| 03:27.06 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: what package? |
| 03:27.11 | SamAdamsLuva | I'm sittin at the # prompt now |
| 03:27.22 | jsoft | mmm debian is a very refreshing change from fedora |
| 03:27.26 | the_ultimate_sam | then old pre-removal script returned eror exit statis 2 |
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| 03:27.38 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: run the `apt-get -u dist-upgrade` again |
| 03:27.43 | guestish | jsoft: you enjoying all the fanatics? ;) |
| 03:27.46 | mousex | seriously, just one more question for you guys . . . Which is better (for pa-risc), matrox millenium 4mb or matrox g200 16mb? I recall somebody telling me that g200 worked fine on hppa, but I also recall another person tellining me that millenium is the best. |
| 03:27.50 | guestish | er, that came out wrong |
| 03:27.52 | SamAdamsLuva | it looks like debconf called apt-extracttemplates and failed |
| 03:28.04 | the_ultimate_sam | it happened when it was replacing armagetron |
| 03:28.11 | SamAdamsLuva | AGAIN! another hour and a half?? |
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| 03:28.30 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: no |
| 03:28.33 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: not even close |
| 03:28.34 | SamAdamsLuva | can't I just try debconf <somethin> ? |
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| 03:28.41 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: it caches those packages you just downloaded |
| 03:28.46 | guestish | he must have dialup |
| 03:28.47 | SamAdamsLuva | ok |
| 03:28.50 | abrotman | guestish: no .. dsl |
| 03:28.51 | blaze | Hey, since debian will not read my cdrom drives for some reason, what are some alternatives to installing debian |
| 03:28.54 | xam | mousex: I haven't tried the G200, and I just know (so far) that the old millenium work ... so if you choose the G200, you are basically on your own (or you believe that person) |
| 03:28.54 | guestish | abrotman: nvm then |
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| 03:29.03 | the_ultimate_sam | ne idea? |
| 03:29.21 | dondelelcaro | blaze: you mean alternative methods of installing Debian? |
| 03:29.32 | abrotman | like .. froppies? |
| 03:29.33 | jsoft | guestish: im enjoying a relatively clean distrobution. 114mb base install vs a fat arse ~600mb install. |
| 03:29.34 | blaze | yeah |
| 03:29.37 | mousex | xam: that's good enough for me. Glad I bought the millenium and not the g200 . . . just making sure I did the right thing! :) |
| 03:29.45 | guestish | jsoft: sweet... |
| 03:29.55 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: try run dist-upgrade again |
| 03:29.56 | abrotman | no!!! |
| 03:30.03 | the_ultimate_sam | ... |
| 03:30.04 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: better? |
| 03:30.04 | blaze | well sure like floppies, but i would perfer an install over the internet |
| 03:30.08 | budluva | Guerin, ok, so now that im logged in properly, whats the best way to get my mouse and keyboard working in x? |
| 03:30.09 | dondelelcaro | blaze: rip out the harddrive and install that way. |
| 03:30.09 | the_ultimate_sam | ok |
| 03:30.11 | maestro5 | abrotman: ? |
| 03:30.13 | abrotman | blaze: you can do that |
| 03:30.16 | abrotman | ignore me |
| 03:30.18 | maestro5 | ah ok |
| 03:30.18 | jsoft | Im going to try and convince my employer, that if he does not want to move to bsd, then at least use debian.. atm he is a fedora fan. |
| 03:30.23 | abrotman | i have outbursts . ask phaethon |
| 03:30.23 | maestro5 | that wasn't related to me :) |
| 03:30.25 | blaze | How do I do that |
| 03:30.25 | abrotman | Phated: even |
| 03:30.39 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Run it again. It shoud go ahead there whetere it left |
| 03:30.48 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: ok, I got the debconf panel... any advice? |
| 03:30.53 | blaze | dondelelcaro: no I have a pci ide controller which the hd would be installed on and I couldent get a boot loader |
| 03:30.55 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: panel? |
| 03:31.08 | the_ultimate_sam | unmet dependancies |
| 03:31.17 | dondelelcaro | blaze: d-i should be able to install using your pci ide controller. Have you tried it? |
| 03:31.25 | SamAdamsLuva | same thing you get when you install |
| 03:31.27 | dondelelcaro | blaze: did you use the expert26 option? |
| 03:31.30 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: what does it say? |
| 03:31.34 | SamAdamsLuva | guess I'll just run thru the install |
| 03:31.44 | SamAdamsLuva | Debian Configuration at the top |
| 03:31.45 | blaze | No I cant even get debian install cd to boot |
| 03:31.49 | abrotman | read the question .. answer the question |
| 03:31.54 | the_ultimate_sam | apt-get dist-upgrade right |
| 03:32.03 | SamAdamsLuva | ok, I' |
| 03:32.04 | SamAdamsLuva | br |
| 03:32.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | i think there are parts missing |
| 03:32.22 | SamAdamsLuva | I've installed woody about a half a dozen times in the last week so... |
| 03:32.26 | dondelelcaro | blaze: then figure out what you can boot off of, and use install media for that. |
| 03:32.27 | abrotman | why? |
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| 03:32.44 | rich_ | SamAdamsLuva finally get it right? |
| 03:32.48 | blaze | Floppies |
| 03:32.51 | abrotman | i blame stew |
| 03:32.52 | SamAdamsLuva | kept having a problem trying to get Mozilla and Java installed and running |
| 03:33.05 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Hm strange |
| 03:33.15 | Guerin | SamAdamsLuva: and that's a good reason to keep installing your whole OS |
| 03:33.17 | stew | its probably my fault whatever it is |
| 03:33.23 | SamAdamsLuva | something would get screwed in the kernal and the system would loose the ability to tell how much disk space you had |
| 03:33.26 | dondelelcaro | blaze: then use two floppies. |
| 03:33.27 | rich_ | SamAdamsLuva Thats not a good reason to re install unless you werent smart about trying to fix them and messed something up |
| 03:33.32 | dondelelcaro | blaze: you can trivially do a net install using them. |
| 03:33.38 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: interesting .. |
| 03:33.40 | the_ultimate_sam | it has a big ass list of things that are not installed |
| 03:33.50 | budluva | Guerin, so do i have to dpkg-reconfigure gdm or x? |
| 03:33.50 | blaze | trivially? |
| 03:33.52 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: apt-get -f install ? |
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| 03:34.01 | Guerin | budluva: xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:34.17 | the_ultimate_sam | apt-get -f install? not dis-update |
| 03:34.18 | SamAdamsLuva | well, it can be pretty difficult to get help when you are havin trouble explainin the problem |
| 03:34.33 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: apt-get -f install fixes broken deps, etc. |
| 03:34.44 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: what are you trying to upgrade to? |
| 03:34.53 | SamAdamsLuva | on the plus side tho, I got a lot of experience installing Debian :) |
| 03:35.00 | abrotman | !woohoo |
| 03:35.26 | the_ultimate_sam | sarge |
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| 03:35.40 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: and sarge has a broken packagelist? I don't believe you. |
| 03:35.42 | the_ultimate_sam | ...well its doing something at least |
| 03:35.48 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: do you have woody installed currently? |
| 03:35.53 | the_ultimate_sam | yes |
| 03:35.58 | budluva | Guerin, dpkg-reconfigure -xserver-xfree86, any options i need to use? |
| 03:36.12 | the_ultimate_sam | im more likely to believe its user error than anything |
| 03:36.20 | Guerin | budluva: s/-xs/xs/ |
| 03:36.48 | budluva | Guerin, eh? |
| 03:37.03 | Guerin | budluva: just run it several times, changing one option each time to see what gives. |
| 03:37.17 | Guerin | budluva: first rule of troublshooting: never change more than one variable at a time. |
| 03:37.22 | MobyTurbo | the_ultimate_sam, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all instances of "stable" or "woody" with "sarge", then "apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 03:37.37 | the_ultimate_sam | already did that |
| 03:37.39 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: working better? |
| 03:37.41 | Guerin | budluva: not -xserver-xfree86, xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:37.44 | the_ultimate_sam | many hours ago |
| 03:37.51 | the_ultimate_sam | its been downloading fine |
| 03:37.56 | the_ultimate_sam | then it errored |
| 03:38.19 | the_ultimate_sam | its currently doing something with the apt-get -f install |
| 03:38.19 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: I'm readin the questions and pickin an answer... not done yet |
| 03:38.25 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: ok, what happens now? |
| 03:38.26 | MobyTurbo | the_ultimate_sam, well, I did the exact same thing here, except for sid, and it worked smoothly. (I use the woody installer rather than d-i because I need ppp.) |
| 03:38.30 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: if you try the same thing? |
| 03:38.31 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: C .. you can't go wrong |
| 03:39.07 | the_ultimate_sam | i have a progress bar (so to speak) going for the apt-get |
| 03:39.08 | budluva | Guerin, so instead of using /dev/psaux what else should i try as my mouse? |
| 03:39.15 | the_ultimate_sam | so whatever its doing...its doing it |
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| 03:40.15 | MobyTurbo | dist-upgrading from woody to sarge is approximately 40 megs. That's over two hours via dial-up. |
| 03:40.48 | Empty | Moby- mine is 240megs running now |
| 03:40.49 | MobyTurbo | bbiab |
| 03:40.56 | the_ultimate_sam | and even longer over dsl |
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| 03:41.01 | the_ultimate_sam | ...how exactly does that work |
| 03:41.03 | Guerin | budluva: /dev/input/mice |
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| 03:41.20 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: should I upgrade Flex? I don't even know what it is? |
| 03:41.24 | SamAdamsLuva | !Flex |
| 03:41.24 | dpkg | [flex] a sucky nick used by freaks, or flex is also the Fast Lexical analyzer generator. A Lex compatible scanner generator. |
| 03:41.53 | SamAdamsLuva | as in image scanner or something else? |
| 03:42.22 | budluva | Guerin, ok did that, then after doing config, i tried startx and got X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown) |
| 03:42.29 | budluva | now back at shell |
| 03:42.33 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: yes |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | just do it |
| 03:43.23 | SamAdamsLuva | I did |
| 03:43.24 | jim__ | I just installed Debian Sarge on my box, and at powerdown it turns off, but will not restart until it has been unplugged for 30 seconds or so... Anyone have an idea? Thanks |
| 03:43.35 | blaze | Does any one know how many floppies it takes to do a full internet install? |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | 2 if you're lucky |
| 03:44.07 | samuel | hello? |
| 03:44.07 | samuel | did i get disconnected again? |
| 03:44.07 | samuel | dammit |
| 03:44.09 | Guerin | budluva: read the error output |
| 03:44.19 | abrotman | samuel .. no :) |
| 03:44.23 | budluva | so my x server is fubard |
| 03:44.47 | blaze | abrotman 2 if i am lucky lol |
| 03:44.48 | budluva | try to re-configure or what? |
| 03:44.50 | blaze | what do you mean by that? |
| 03:44.59 | Guerin | budluva: yeah, that's what happens when, for example, you kill the x server manually with ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 03:44.59 | Phated | abrotman: Eh? |
| 03:45.04 | Guerin | budluva: find out what's killing it |
| 03:45.07 | abrotman | blaze: it can take as few as 2 .. or as many as like 50 |
| 03:45.12 | budluva | Guerin, ok, how do i find out whats killing it? |
| 03:45.21 | abrotman | blaze: more than likely .. 2 or 6 |
| 03:45.25 | blaze | why does it differ, |
| 03:45.34 | abrotman | blaze: for starters .. your network card |
| 03:45.41 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Are you still stuck? |
| 03:45.44 | blaze | It doesent tell you which two disks to download |
| 03:45.49 | jim__ | anyone want to tackle a power, maybe acpi problem? |
| 03:45.49 | blaze | debian supports my network card |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | blaze: duh .. but does the floppy kernel? |
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| 03:46.17 | blaze | good point |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | xam: ub40 |
| 03:46.49 | blaze | so where do i find these damn disks, debian.org isint so helpful |
| 03:47.01 | abrotman | !bf |
| 03:47.01 | dpkg | woody boot floppies are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/ |
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| 03:47.31 | blaze | thats where i am, do i just need toe rescue and bin? |
| 03:47.34 | Guerin | budluva: read the error output or strace the process |
| 03:47.41 | abrotman | blaze: /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:47.43 | Guerin | !logs |
| 03:47.43 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 03:47.49 | abrotman | blaze: at least .. root.bin and rescue.bin |
| 03:47.51 | budluva | Guerin, well is there a log somewhere i can read or what? |
| 03:48.12 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: done yet? |
| 03:48.37 | SamAdamsLuva | not yet, it's replacin' a bunch of files, may drop out any time now ... |
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| 03:48.48 | blaze | thanks abrotman |
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| 03:49.43 | jetscreamer | what do ppl normally, or usually, use to read the help files that are in .gz format |
| 03:49.49 | Phated | jetscreamer: zless. |
| 03:49.55 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 03:49.59 | jetscreamer | 10x even |
| 03:50.00 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:50.02 | Phated | No problem. :) |
| 03:50.06 | Phated | np even. :) |
| 03:50.06 | abrotman | Phated: what did i do? |
| 03:50.18 | Phated | abrotman: Well you set off my nick highlight. |
| 03:50.26 | abrotman | Phated: oh . that i have outbursts :) |
| 03:50.29 | rich_ | jetscreamer zless |
| 03:50.36 | Phated | abrotman: Yeah, what about them? |
| 03:50.42 | abrotman | just htat i have them |
| 03:50.49 | Phated | abrotman: Oh yeah, OK. |
| 03:50.52 | budluva | how do i find out what is killing my x server? is there a log or something i can read? |
| 03:50.58 | abrotman | Phated: done with exams yet? |
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| 03:51.13 | Phated | abrotman: Four exams to go. I'll be done by the end of next week. |
| 03:51.19 | abrotman | next week? |
| 03:51.20 | abrotman | jeez |
| 03:51.31 | the_ultimate_sam | unable to fetch some archives |
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| 03:51.36 | Phated | abrotman: Yeah one today then three next week. |
| 03:51.47 | jim__ | anyone want to tackle a power, maybe acpi problem? like it won't start until I unplug it for 30 seconds or so before hitting the power switch? |
| 03:51.50 | cricket_ | i need to change my screen resolution...how can i do that? |
| 03:51.59 | cricket_ | im usign sarge and i cant find my x config |
| 03:52.04 | cricket_ | does sarge ues xorg or free? |
| 03:52.07 | abrotman | free |
| 03:52.15 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:52.16 | Phated | cricket_: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:52.25 | jetscreamer | thankee rich_ |
| 03:52.48 | rich_ | cricket_ xfree its in /etc/X11 |
| 03:52.52 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Hm, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:52.58 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: done yet? |
| 03:53.08 | rich_ | jetscreamer Phated was first |
| 03:53.13 | Guerin | budluva: did you find it? I'm cooking |
| 03:53.18 | Phated | rich_: He thanked my first too. |
| 03:53.39 | budluva | Guerin, no, dont know what im doing, is there a logfile i can read to find out whats killing it? |
| 03:53.41 | the_ultimate_sam | is the server working? |
| 03:53.54 | the_ultimate_sam | it seems to be having problems with the server |
| 03:54.05 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: give me a clue here |
| 03:54.14 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: nope, just like the ever-ready battery... it's still goin |
| 03:54.15 | the_ultimate_sam | its been at 0% of querrying for the past 3 minutes |
| 03:54.24 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you need a 2x500 :) |
| 03:54.32 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: Which mirror are you using? |
| 03:54.39 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont know |
| 03:54.44 | Guerin | budluva: /var/log/XFree86.0.log et al |
| 03:54.51 | the_ultimate_sam | im using the apt-get -f install |
| 03:54.54 | budluva | whats the et al for? |
| 03:55.00 | SamAdamsLuva | hehe, well, I'm flippin back and forth to my Winnt machine, tryin to get Java running there |
| 03:55.30 | the_ultimate_sam | it cant seem to connect |
| 03:55.31 | Guerin | SamAdamsLuva: are you dead set on running woody? |
| 03:55.45 | abrotman | Guerin: he's upgrading to sarge now |
| 03:55.49 | Guerin | ah, ok |
| 03:55.55 | SamAdamsLuva | nope, I'm upgrading to sarge :) |
| 03:56.11 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: apt-setup; get another mirror under thee |
| 03:56.41 | SamAdamsLuva | I'm hopin to get my hands on a couple of VAX's by the end of the year and add OpenVMS to the meyhem |
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| 03:57.49 | budluva | Guerin, ok, i ended up reconfiguring xserver-xfree86, now i startx and get into x, but still no mouse no keyboard |
| 03:57.52 | huhlig | anyone here played with opengroupware |
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| 03:58.01 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: And don't choose mirror.kernel.org, it's being slow ATM. |
| 03:58.16 | the_ultimate_sam | ...it seems to be going |
| 03:58.20 | rich_ | budluva you need a window manager. Id suggest fvwm |
| 03:58.21 | the_ultimate_sam | i think its installing now |
| 03:58.21 | budluva | so maybe im doing something wrong to setup my keyboard/mouse |
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| 03:58.28 | rich_ | its easy to configure |
| 03:58.32 | the_ultimate_sam | it only needed 30 kb and it gets that in a second |
| 03:58.35 | budluva | rich_, i have did apt-get install gnome-core |
| 03:58.45 | Guerin | budluva: what output do you get from egrep 'EE|WW' /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 03:58.47 | the_ultimate_sam | so now i guess its installing |
| 03:58.56 | budluva | Guerin, i have to reboot the machine, hold on |
| 03:58.57 | Guerin | budluva: put it on a httpd or paste it into #flood |
| 03:59.01 | Guerin | budluva: why? |
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| 03:59.09 | the_ultimate_sam | i hope it works i dont wanna go to sleep w/o my music again |
| 03:59.13 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: done yet? |
| 03:59.13 | rich_ | budluva Then you need some gnome comapatble window manager I guess. Sorry but gnome and kde are kind of a mystery to me. |
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| 03:59.28 | Guerin | rich_: no, even gdm wasn't working - no mouse, no kbd |
| 03:59.30 | budluva | Guerin, because i went startx, and it started gnome, and now i have no mouse and no keyboard again |
| 03:59.31 | cricket_ | hey what type fo mouse should i tell gpm my mouse is (powerbook with mouse at /dev/input/mice ..the trackpad) |
| 03:59.39 | budluva | Guerin, so i have to reboot it |
| 03:59.50 | Guerin | budluva: ah, and you can't ctrl+alt+bksp out |
| 03:59.54 | budluva | Guerin, exactly |
| 04:00.14 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: nope, removing kontour .... |
| 04:00.27 | budluva | Guerin, how come commandline can recognize my mouse but not x? |
| 04:00.34 | abrotman | kontour? |
| 04:00.35 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: You need to access your windows partition? |
| 04:00.43 | SamAdamsLuva | part of KDE |
| 04:00.47 | budluva | Guerin, is there a way to see my kernel keyboard settings? and just use them when setting up x? |
| 04:00.51 | jsoft | Hello |
| 04:01.04 | jsoft | My alias is Jsoft, And I am bored. |
| 04:01.05 | budluva | Guerin, i mean commandline recognizes keyboard |
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| 04:01.08 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: eww .. kde ... :) |
| 04:01.24 | SamAdamsLuva | what do you prefer? |
| 04:01.44 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: irrelevant .. not kde :) |
| 04:01.44 | SamAdamsLuva | I had gnome with RH but I like KDE better |
| 04:02.00 | the_ultimate_sam | well it stopped and not with an error |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: so .. it's still upgrading? |
| 04:02.06 | SamAdamsLuva | yep |
| 04:02.06 | the_ultimate_sam | so i guess that means it worked |
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| 04:02.14 | the_ultimate_sam | ...so i guess ill be rebooting |
| 04:02.22 | the_ultimate_sam | ...alot |
| 04:02.23 | SamAdamsLuva | I'm surprised it's kept IRC up this ling |
| 04:02.24 | SamAdamsLuva | long |
| 04:02.25 | jsoft | fluxbox for me :) Clean and simple |
| 04:02.33 | the_ultimate_sam | mine never closed irc |
| 04:02.33 | budluva | jsoft, i like flux too |
| 04:02.35 | Phated | No no no you don't reboot for nothing. the_ultimate_sam: Are you installing a new kernel? |
| 04:02.36 | the_ultimate_sam | dont know y |
| 04:02.44 | budluva | jsoft, works great on this machine with only 128meg ram |
| 04:02.52 | the_ultimate_sam | im updating to sarge from woody |
| 04:02.56 | kerpal23_ | I am having problems with mysql_pam im getting permission denied errors |
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| 04:02.58 | SamAdamsLuva | what do you like about fluxbox? |
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| 04:03.05 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: Do you have a new kernel? |
| 04:03.11 | the_ultimate_sam | i assume |
| 04:03.11 | kerpal23_ | its acually a saslauthd problem? |
| 04:03.12 | Phated | SamAdamsLuva: It's better than KDE. :) |
| 04:03.17 | Phated | Oh dear. |
| 04:03.18 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont actualy know |
| 04:03.19 | Phated | maestro5: Oi! |
| 04:03.34 | SamAdamsLuva | hehe, well better is a relative term :) |
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| 04:03.35 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Hold on |
| 04:03.41 | jsoft | SamAdamsLuva: its simple, and clean.. and small on resources... and you can have key assignments for commands. |
| 04:03.54 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: did you apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-something? |
| 04:03.58 | jsoft | it basically does what every other wm does, except without all the eye candy.. |
| 04:04.04 | Guerin | budluva: do you have another computer you can shell in from? |
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| 04:04.18 | Phated | jsoft: And it's fast. |
| 04:04.25 | cricket_ | how to change window managers in deibna |
| 04:04.37 | budluva | Guerin, i have this machine, but i dont have it configured so both have net access |
| 04:04.38 | Phated | That is the BEST mispelling EVER. |
| 04:04.44 | the_ultimate_sam | i did apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade then apt-get -f install |
| 04:04.47 | rich_ | people should try all window managers, eventually, but start with whatever works |
| 04:05.23 | the_ultimate_sam | it finished i presume |
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| 04:05.35 | SamAdamsLuva | can you get fluxbox through apt? |
| 04:05.40 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:05.47 | abrotman | done yet? |
| 04:05.50 | cricket_ | rich..well how can i change my win manager |
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| 04:05.53 | SamAdamsLuva | I'll give it a try, nope |
| 04:05.54 | the_ultimate_sam | it stopped w/o a notable error |
| 04:05.56 | jsoft | Phated: yeah :) |
| 04:06.05 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: i may not be awake when it's done :) |
| 04:06.05 | Phated | jsoft: Even on slow computers! *bliss* |
| 04:06.15 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: but i can tell you the kernel you need |
| 04:06.18 | jsoft | Yeah on my 166 it works good :) |
| 04:06.19 | SamAdamsLuva | it's removing ksirc now ... |
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| 04:06.22 | the_ultimate_sam | i assume i have a kernel with woody and then i assume sarge updates said kernel |
| 04:06.22 | abrotman | (all this for sound) :) |
| 04:06.25 | Phated | Thank god. |
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| 04:06.41 | SamAdamsLuva | nah, all this for fun :) |
| 04:06.42 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Nope, you have to upgrade the kernel by hand |
| 04:06.44 | Phated | SamAdamsLuva: I say Flux or XFCE4 or something along those lines. |
| 04:06.49 | the_ultimate_sam | o |
| 04:06.51 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: what cpu do you have? |
| 04:06.58 | the_ultimate_sam | ... |
| 04:06.59 | MobyTurbo | cricket_, update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 04:07.03 | scarynetworkguy | either one is way cool |
| 04:07.08 | Phated | SamAdamsLuva: Also, you right-click on the desktop for the menu... :) |
| 04:07.13 | the_ultimate_sam | amd xp i think |
| 04:07.22 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Ok |
| 04:07.22 | SamAdamsLuva | abrotman: what kernal do I need? |
| 04:07.25 | abrotman | blackbox is better |
| 04:07.33 | Guerin | budluva: set up a sshd on your b0rked machine and administer it form your working machine |
| 04:07.37 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: cat /proc/cpu |
| 04:07.38 | Phated | Aren't they functionally similar, abrotman? |
| 04:07.39 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:07.41 | jsoft | abrotman: how so? ( ive hardly used it ) |
| 04:07.53 | budluva | Guerin, ok, ermm just apt-get install sshd? |
| 04:07.55 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp |
| 04:08.02 | budluva | or how do i find if ssh is running? |
| 04:08.03 | Guerin | budluva: apt-get install ssh |
| 04:08.03 | jsoft | apt-get remove * |
| 04:08.06 | budluva | ok |
| 04:08.13 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: If yes, you need apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 04:08.14 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: but . when you install it .. pay very very VERY close attention to what it says about initrd |
| 04:08.17 | Phated | jsoft: Me neither, but thanks to maestro5, I'm highly tempted to try fvwm and tweak it. |
| 04:08.18 | jsoft | budluva: ps ax | grep ssh |
| 04:08.25 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: if you screw up .. your computer won't boot |
| 04:08.32 | cricket_ | where can i get good gnome thmese |
| 04:08.32 | Phated | And all will be HELL! |
| 04:08.33 | budluva | Guerin, i gotta disconnect net from this machine to install ssh, so ill be back in a few mins |
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| 04:08.34 | cricket_ | themese |
| 04:08.35 | Guerin | budluva: sorry, I'm cooking etc, hold horses a bit |
| 04:08.36 | cricket_ | themes |
| 04:08.36 | jsoft | Phated: what is the advantage of fvwm? |
| 04:08.40 | samuel | howis there someone here wanting to look at iptables please? something is wrong, but i cant tell what... |
| 04:08.42 | maestro5 | Phated: Hehe |
| 04:08.44 | the_ultimate_sam | 2.6.8-1-k7 |
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| 04:08.48 | Phated | jsoft: Tweakability/speed, AFAIK. |
| 04:08.57 | awol | fvwm is one of THE most configurable window managers around.... |
| 04:08.57 | SamAdamsLuva | got it |
| 04:09.00 | budluva | Guerin, seems ssh is running |
| 04:09.04 | the_ultimate_sam | apt-get kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 04:09.05 | budluva | so i should be able to ssh into it no? |
| 04:09.07 | the_ultimate_sam | correct |
| 04:09.08 | maestro5 | Phated: But have a look at that crystal thing if you do, fvwm is ugly without really strong theming and configuring efforts |
| 04:09.12 | awol | and it's fast |
| 04:09.15 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: yes |
| 04:09.20 | Phated | maestro5: Yeah I know. The plain fvwm... *shudder* |
| 04:09.24 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: i'll be here for a bit more .. but i suppose i should go to work tomorrow :) |
| 04:09.30 | awol | checkout http://fvwm-themes.sf.net |
| 04:09.32 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: apt-get install... |
| 04:09.33 | xam | !dict theming |
| 04:09.34 | SamAdamsLuva | it will if I re-image it :) |
| 04:09.35 | dpkg | could not find definition for theming |
| 04:09.39 | the_ultimate_sam | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 04:09.40 | Phated | awol: Oo. |
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| 04:09.43 | Phated | the_ultimate_sam: Yes. |
| 04:09.55 | awol | Phated: i'm on the fvwm-themes dev team |
| 04:10.01 | Phated | awol: Lovely. :) |
| 04:10.13 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: if you have to reinstall .. use the sarge installer |
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| 04:10.34 | awol | Phated: heh #fvwm is well populated and helpful & friendly |
| 04:10.47 | SamAdamsLuva | yea, I'll down load the ISO for sarge. should have to begin with |
| 04:10.53 | Phated | awol: Heh all right if I ever check it out I'll drop by. |
| 04:11.10 | the_ultimate_sam | yay another 1 hour install |
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| 04:11.14 | maestro5 | xam: I'm sorry, my english is pretty bad. By theming, I meant installing some sort of themes |
| 04:11.19 | abrotman | SamAdamsLuva: you know where it is right? |
| 04:11.21 | awol | Phated: np's i'm always willing to help too |
| 04:11.29 | Phated | awol: Cool, cool. :) |
| 04:11.34 | awol | just not always around |
| 04:11.56 | Phated | Meh I'll be up like 14/24/7 or something. :) |
| 04:12.08 | xam | maestro5: no problem, I just come from the old ages, I don't even know what a theme is ... or 'fvwm' ... and this KDE stuff ... no clue |
| 04:12.30 | NegroModello | abrotman: it's dark Mexican beer, very nice :) |
| 04:12.32 | maestro5 | xam: Yeah, fvwm does not support themes anyway. I used the wrong word |
| 04:12.43 | abrotman | NegroModello: i know what it is |
| 04:12.45 | Guerin | budluva: yeah, just ssh user@host |
| 04:12.50 | awol | xam: go to http://www.xwinman.org and learn all about it |
| 04:12.53 | NegroModello | :) |
| 04:12.55 | xam | maestro: twm rules |
| 04:13.12 | awol | maestro5: fvwm does too support themes |
| 04:13.16 | Guerin | !beersmite NegroModello |
| 04:13.20 | awol | maestro5: go to http://fvwm-themes.sf.net |
| 04:13.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:13.47 | budluva | Guerin, this machine only has 1 nic, so i wont have net access though |
| 04:13.52 | Phated | awol: Well isn't a theme sort of just like a config file anyways? |
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| 04:13.59 | Guerin | budluva: ah fuck |
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| 04:14.09 | abrotman | NegroModello: done yet? |
| 04:14.11 | budluva | Guerin, i can startx fine now, just no ps2 mouse/keyboard |
| 04:14.25 | rich_ | Who needs themes? Black is the best color scheme, you want to see what my desktop looks like, close your eyes :) |
| 04:14.27 | awol | Phated: normally... but fvwm-themes uses dynamic configs so ya can mix & match diff theme elements on the fly |
| 04:14.28 | NegroModello | bummer, got a problem |
| 04:14.29 | Phated | My god we have a beersmite? |
| 04:14.34 | Guerin | budluva: yeah, ok. paste the ee/ww output into #flood |
| 04:14.40 | awol | Phated: it's a totally new radical concept |
| 04:14.40 | Guerin | budluva: NOT int here |
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| 04:14.45 | abrotman | NegroModello: ? |
| 04:14.48 | maestro5 | awol: Ok, your right. I didn't even know that fvwm calls that 'theme' |
| 04:14.51 | NegroModello | Preparing to replace iptables 1.2.6a-5 (using .../iptables_1.2.11-2_i386.deb) ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly |
| 04:14.51 | Phated | awol: Yeah, like you can have different themes for different windows and stuff? |
| 04:14.55 | budluva | Guerin, cant paste, but i'll re-type it out |
| 04:14.56 | budluva | :P |
| 04:15.04 | Phated | NegroModello: Paste in here again and you die. :) |
| 04:15.06 | abrotman | NegroModello: apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 04:15.09 | Phated | Or something along those lines. :) |
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| 04:15.22 | Guerin | budluva: no, just /exec -o egrep 'EE|WW' /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 04:15.25 | mj | how do I exit base-config? |
| 04:15.29 | NegroModello | well, I'm tryin to make'm short pastes... |
| 04:15.32 | abrotman | Guerin: not in here! |
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| 04:15.41 | Guerin | budluva: NOT in here |
| 04:15.41 | Phated | Besides the fact that it doesn't taste very good... What's it like, xam? |
| 04:15.41 | abrotman | NegroModello: run the upgrade command again |
| 04:15.47 | awol | Phated: indeed... and ya can use say the sounds from one theme with the bg's from another... and have the fonts from another theme... with the colors from another theme again... etc...etc... it's all mix & match |
| 04:15.50 | budluva | Guerin, this isnt my debian machine |
| 04:15.50 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, I think I've made that clear |
| 04:15.55 | budluva | Guerin, xp |
| 04:15.57 | Guerin | budluva: aaaarg |
| 04:16.01 | budluva | :P |
| 04:16.05 | Guerin | ok |
| 04:16.05 | budluva | like i said i can re-type |
| 04:16.07 | xam | Phated: ask my pet ;) |
| 04:16.07 | Guerin | get to typing |
| 04:16.11 | Phated | awol: Sounds like fun. I think I might just check it out in a couple of weeks. :) |
| 04:16.15 | Phated | xam: Heh. |
| 04:16.16 | budluva | Guerin, rebooting again |
| 04:16.18 | NegroModello | abrotman: ok |
| 04:16.18 | abrotman | NegroModello: did it start again? |
| 04:16.27 | awol | Phated: the possible combinations approach infinity |
| 04:16.40 | maestro5 | that's awful, it didn't rain the whole night! |
| 04:16.46 | xam | Phated: speaking of my pet, it's sleeping for days now |
| 04:16.54 | Phated | awol: Again, fun. :) |
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| 04:16.59 | Phated | xam: IT'S DEAD! |
| 04:17.07 | sussudio | xam: is it starting to smell? |
| 04:17.12 | Phated | Uhm... I mean... you should go check on it. |
| 04:17.17 | NegroModello | no, it told me to run dpkg --config -a to fix it... I am |
| 04:17.17 | abrotman | or it's a great sleeping fish from antartica |
| 04:17.17 | xam | Phated: it's not dead, it's just talking a nap! |
| 04:17.18 | awol | is it cold and hard? |
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| 04:17.33 | abrotman | NegroModello: did it start again? |
| 04:17.37 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah a dirt nap. |
| 04:17.44 | Phated | xam: A NAP?! Dude... |
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| 04:17.59 | awol | it's not hibernating is it? |
| 04:18.03 | Phated | Haha. |
| 04:18.14 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: what are you installing right now? That kernel-image? |
| 04:18.21 | cricket_ | how do i install themes in gnome |
| 04:18.32 | Phated | Oh go ask #gnome. |
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| 04:18.38 | NegroModello | abrotman: things seem to be rolling along |
| 04:18.39 | Guerin | cricket_: apt-cache search gnome theme |
| 04:18.45 | awol | cricket_: use the gnome control center theme installer gui |
| 04:18.51 | xam | awol: well, it is an arctic stone rat, they are always cold and hard |
| 04:18.54 | cricket_ | awol..fucking thing wont work |
| 04:18.56 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:18.59 | Phated | xam: What the... Hahahah. |
| 04:19.15 | Guerin | xam: I'll trade you my demon rabbit for your arctic stone rat |
| 04:19.19 | awol | cricket_: ya sure you got a gtk theme in the right format? |
| 04:19.19 | abrotman | NegroModello: done yet? |
| 04:19.24 | Phated | Guerin: No I want your demon rabbit! |
| 04:19.32 | cricket_ | awol..i got it from art.gnome.org |
| 04:19.36 | Guerin | xam: I'll even throw in a whole shitload of cables you can use as decoys |
| 04:19.36 | the_ultimate_sam | its asking if i want to install a boot block...this wont affect my slave drvie will it |
| 04:19.39 | shwag | i just switched from gnome to kde to give it a try, can anyone tell me why all the font sizes change ? |
| 04:19.41 | xam | Guerin: does your rabbit have fleas? |
| 04:19.46 | Phated | Guerin: I want your demon rabbit! |
| 04:19.52 | Phated | Guerin: Please? :) |
| 04:19.56 | NegroModello | abrotman: rofl, not yet, you gettin' tired? |
| 04:19.58 | awol | cricket_: ya may just have to play about with the raw gtkrc files instead... locate is your friend |
| 04:19.59 | scarynetworkguy | shwag: in #gnome I'm sure they can |
| 04:20.00 | Guerin | xam: negatory. He's a demon rabbit, they wouldn't survive the first bite. |
| 04:20.08 | xam | Guerin: well, its not a proper replacement then! |
| 04:20.11 | Guerin | Phated: come and get him. he's right here waiting for you... |
| 04:20.13 | abrotman | NegroModello: it's EDT here .. i'm sleepy |
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| 04:20.22 | Phated | Guerin: YES YES YES. Actually, could you FedEx him? |
| 04:20.27 | xam | Guerin: what else do you have to offer? |
| 04:20.28 | Guerin | xam: you can't expect me to believe your arctic stone rat has fleas |
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| 04:20.33 | the_ultimate_sam | ok kernel was installed correctly |
| 04:20.36 | Guerin | Phated: no, fedex is not an option. |
| 04:20.36 | Phated | And include a large amount of hamster food. |
| 04:20.36 | abrotman | Guerin: they eat rabbit in .sg |
| 04:20.36 | the_ultimate_sam | ...now what? |
| 04:20.45 | Guerin | abrotman: they eat rabbit here too. |
| 04:20.47 | Phated | Guerin: Please...? :) I mean he's a demon. |
| 04:20.47 | sussudio | Phated: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bunny2004.png |
| 04:20.53 | Phated | abrotman: They don't eat rabbits here. |
| 04:20.54 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: check 2 files |
| 04:20.56 | the_ultimate_sam | they eat puppy in vietnam |
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| 04:21.06 | sussudio | in soviet russia, puppy eats you |
| 04:21.06 | xam | Guerin: well, probably not anymore. Guess they died with it |
| 04:21.08 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: /etc/lilo.conf and /etc/grub.menu.lst |
| 04:21.11 | Guerin | Phated: no, they don't allow demons in the fedex system. |
| 04:21.19 | abrotman | sussudio: what does the rabbit do with the cables? |
| 04:21.25 | Guerin | xam: I thought you said he was just sleeping? |
| 04:21.26 | Phated | Guerin: You can disguise him! |
| 04:21.27 | sussudio | !bunnysmite abrotman |
| 04:21.28 | NegroModello | abrotman: it's EDT here too and I gotta go to work in the morning |
| 04:21.38 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: one of both exist. You have to double check that both the new and the old kernel are listed in that file |
| 04:21.45 | xam | Guerin: aehhn, I mean they are also just taking a long nap ... |
| 04:21.45 | abrotman | !bunnicula sussudio |
| 04:21.46 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: you have to scroll down a bit |
| 04:21.47 | Phated | sussudio: HAHAHAHAHA |
| 04:21.50 | abrotman | !win me |
| 04:21.50 | Guerin | Phated: he's already disguised; the ear/horn thing, remember. Doesn't fool anyone for long. |
| 04:21.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 04:22.01 | Phated | Guerin: Oh hm true... |
| 04:22.09 | the_ultimate_sam | says permission denied |
| 04:22.25 | awol | !win me |
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| 04:22.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, awol! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 04:22.36 | abrotman | NegroModello: you remember which kernel you need? |
| 04:22.47 | awol | like i need another set of drink coasters? |
| 04:22.55 | sussudio | maybe Guerin's bunny and Damien should meet. http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/damien.jpg |
| 04:23.04 | xam | Guerin: okay, I agree with your deal ... where to burry^H^H^H^H^Hship the artic stone rat to? |
| 04:23.22 | NegroModello | yes, wrote it down :) on paper ... |
| 04:23.22 | abrotman | sussudio: best special effects .. *EVER* |
| 04:23.26 | Chris16 | Is there any free web hosting control panel's for GNU/Linux out there? |
| 04:23.27 | the_ultimate_sam | and it cant find /etc/grub.menu.lst |
| 04:23.38 | abrotman | NegroModello: ok .. remember what i told you .. don't screw up the initrd part |
| 04:23.44 | Guerin | xam: well, there's the catch. I can't ship bunny. You'd have to come and get him. |
| 04:23.56 | Guerin | xam: or I could drop him off next time I'm in Cork. |
| 04:23.57 | NegroModello | waht initrd part? |
| 04:24.01 | sussudio | or bunny gets you. |
| 04:24.05 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 04:24.07 | xam | Guerin: okay ... |
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| 04:24.15 | abrotman | NegroModello: do NOT screw up the initrd part of the kernel install |
| 04:24.19 | Phated | Damien is the most adorable little thing EVAR. |
| 04:24.36 | NegroModello | hit the sack, I'll survive to re-install another day :) |
| 04:24.50 | abrotman | NegroModello: ask Guerin .. he knows about the initrd peril that awaits :) |
| 04:24.51 | Guerin | xam: well, an arctic rat should be just fine in the freezer |
| 04:24.58 | NegroModello | and thanks for all the help |
| 04:25.01 | Guerin | he does? |
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| 04:25.24 | abrotman | Guerin: ytou know .. don't forget the "initrd=/initrd.img" |
| 04:25.24 | BlackJudas | !amd64 |
| 04:25.24 | xam | Guerin: yes, of course! It never complained so far (just once at the very beginning) |
| 04:25.25 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. |
| 04:25.41 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: do it as root |
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| 04:25.46 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: with the lilo thing |
| 04:25.46 | the_ultimate_sam | i am root |
| 04:25.49 | exobyte | if I dd from a cd to an iso, what bs should |
| 04:25.51 | exobyte | I use |
| 04:25.56 | Guerin | xam: what a well-behaved rat you have, sir. |
| 04:26.03 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ok, then chmod 600 /etc/lilo.conf first |
| 04:26.06 | cricket_ | what is the mac on linux binary called |
| 04:26.08 | cricket_ | i installed it |
| 04:26.10 | cricket_ | and i dont knwo where it is |
| 04:26.17 | Guerin | exobyte: one that's reasonably well smaller than your ram. |
| 04:26.25 | abrotman | NegroModello: don't reinstall so quickly .. there are lots of people who can break things better than you :) |
| 04:26.43 | exobyte | Guerin: so it doesn't need to be something round like 1024 or 512 |
| 04:26.44 | the_ultimate_sam | ...it did nothing |
| 04:26.53 | sussudio | the goggles? |
| 04:27.00 | Guerin | exobyte: no, but it does also need to add up cleanly to iso size |
| 04:27.06 | NegroModello | hehe, I doubt it, I once deleted half the system files on a production VAX server at work once :) |
| 04:27.15 | exobyte | Guerin: so would 512 be a good idea? |
| 04:27.33 | Guerin | exobyte: 512 will be slow. Read man dd for more hints. |
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| 04:27.40 | exobyte | heh |
| 04:27.55 | Guerin | budluva: does /dev/input/mice exist? |
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| 04:28.12 | the_ultimate_sam | how can permission be denied to root? |
| 04:28.15 | Guerin | budluva: and what happens if you try to startx with /dev/psaux selected? |
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| 04:28.38 | jetscreamer | the_ultimate_sam, easy, but root can chmod whatever it is |
| 04:28.43 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ls -l /etc/lilo.conf, first coloumn ist interesing |
| 04:28.55 | cricket_ | how can i browse the packages that i can install via apt-get |
| 04:28.56 | cricket_ | ? |
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| 04:29.10 | xam | the_ultimate_sam: 1. root removed all permissions (chmod a= <file>) or 2. it is a device (file) that is not accessible/working |
| 04:29.21 | jetscreamer | cricket_, with dselect aptitude or in x, synaptic |
| 04:29.42 | budluva | Guerin, yes, /dev/input/mice exists |
| 04:29.55 | budluva | Guerin, and when trying to startx with psaux, same thing as /input/mice, nothing... |
| 04:30.08 | Guerin | budluva: same messages in the logs? |
| 04:30.22 | the_ultimate_sam | -rw---root root 4105 nov 8 23:53 /etc/lilo.conf |
| 04:30.38 | budluva | yes |
| 04:30.39 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: you are trying with nano? |
| 04:30.40 | Guerin | budluva: don't check if you don't have them handy |
| 04:30.41 | Guerin | ok |
| 04:30.47 | Guerin | !tell budluva about set up x |
| 04:30.55 | the_ultimate_sam | no |
| 04:30.59 | Guerin | budluva: do all of that, let's try to go the automagic route |
| 04:31.06 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: You have to _edit_ the file |
| 04:31.07 | Guerin | budluva: if that doesn't work I'm stumped |
| 04:31.07 | cricket_ | how can i browse the packages that u can apt-geT? |
| 04:31.16 | jetscreamer | cricket_, wtf |
| 04:31.22 | Guerin | !pdo |
| 04:31.22 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
| 04:31.26 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.27 | maestro5 | cricket_: jetscreamer already told you that |
| 04:31.28 | cricket_ | jetscreamer , sorry |
| 04:31.29 | Phated | cricket_: FFS install aptitude or something. |
| 04:31.35 | the_ultimate_sam | so... nano /etc/lilo.conf |
| 04:31.35 | xam | cricket: dselect, synaptics, aptitude |
| 04:31.45 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: right |
| 04:31.46 | budluva | Guerin, so thats gonna make it autodetect? |
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| 04:31.53 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Then scroll down |
| 04:31.59 | Guerin | budluva: hopefully. |
| 04:32.01 | marmot | cricket_, apt-cache search packagename |
| 04:32.02 | budluva | Guerin, so run apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:32.04 | budluva | all as one? |
| 04:32.09 | budluva | or each one separatly? |
| 04:32.10 | Guerin | budluva: correct |
| 04:32.17 | Guerin | no, do the whole thing all in one go |
| 04:32.20 | budluva | ok |
| 04:32.22 | the_ultimate_sam | ok |
| 04:32.24 | the_ultimate_sam | im in |
| 04:32.43 | budluva | well, gonna hafta disconnect net..so ill go try that now, oh, and what should i be using? psaux or /input/mice |
| 04:32.43 | budluva | ? |
| 04:32.48 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: You shoud see image lines |
| 04:32.49 | Usuario | how can I apt an mp3 encoder for ripperX? |
| 04:32.56 | Empty | Anyone know a way to convert a vfat partition to ext3 without losing the data? I'd rather not archive and restore it if I can do it in place |
| 04:33.01 | Guerin | budluva: it should detect everything. apply the Law of WIDHE |
| 04:33.08 | Guerin | !widhe |
| 04:33.08 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 04:33.11 | the_ultimate_sam | ...image lines? |
| 04:33.14 | budluva | lol ok |
| 04:33.16 | maestro5 | Empty: Not AFAIK |
| 04:33.17 | budluva | ill go try |
| 04:33.18 | budluva | brb |
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| 04:33.22 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: the drinky-bird install... |
| 04:33.25 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: image=someting |
| 04:33.27 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 04:33.30 | Defenestrator | Empty: here's really no way that I know of. Maybe if you have enough free space you could do something ugly with qtparted |
| 04:33.31 | the_ultimate_sam | ya |
| 04:33.36 | the_ultimate_sam | i see em |
| 04:33.44 | Defenestrator | vfat and ext2/3 are very, VERY different |
| 04:33.45 | NegroModello | Guerin: I'm gonna hit the sack. I'll finish this upgrade tomorrow. have a nice night :) |
| 04:33.46 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Is there something about 2.6? |
| 04:33.59 | Guerin | NegroModello: I'll have a lovely afternoon, thanks :) |
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| 04:34.10 | Usuario | how can I apt an mp3 encoder for ripperX? |
| 04:34.20 | Guerin | !tell Usuario about lame |
| 04:34.26 | Usuario | Guerin: thanks |
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| 04:34.33 | the_ultimate_sam | no |
| 04:34.34 | Empty | Defenestrator LOL I was thinking that, do a few shuffles back and forth, mv a to b, resize a down, resize c up, mv b to c |
| 04:34.46 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Ok. How many lines are there? |
| 04:34.47 | Defenestrator | yeah... it's risky though |
| 04:34.55 | Defenestrator | that's a LOT of places for things to go wrong |
| 04:35.00 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: With image at the beginning |
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| 04:35.12 | Empty | It's not mission critical data... and there's 36 gig of it |
| 04:35.23 | the_ultimate_sam | 2 and one in #'s |
| 04:35.27 | Defenestrator | how large is the HDD? |
| 04:35.32 | the_ultimate_sam | i assume then only 2 work right |
| 04:35.39 | Empty | 40g |
| 04:35.50 | Defenestrator | yipe... good luck |
| 04:35.59 | Defenestrator | at least it's vfat and not NTFS |
| 04:36.07 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ok |
| 04:36.08 | Empty | It's hdb though.. heh, yeah no doubt there |
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| 04:36.22 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: You have to do some quote precise work now |
| 04:36.31 | the_ultimate_sam | ...k |
| 04:36.46 | Empty | 1.5g free on a... Hrm. Maybe I will do it that way |
| 04:36.56 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: You have to copy the first _block_ (including the lines below) |
| 04:36.58 | Empty | But first I'll prune as much of it as I can LOL |
| 04:37.09 | the_ultimate_sam | ... |
| 04:37.20 | the_ultimate_sam | u mean the image and the parts involved in that right |
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| 04:37.47 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: http://www.research.compaq.com/nsl/projects/dhb/dhb.html |
| 04:37.55 | cricket_ | can i get my kernel sources using apt-geT? im using ppc/linux |
| 04:38.03 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: or better, http://www.backstreet.demon.co.uk/oddstuff/drinkingbirds/drinkingbirds.htm |
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| 04:38.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it's the ultimate JHE device. |
| 04:38.17 | budluva | Guerin you there? |
| 04:38.30 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: image and label |
| 04:38.38 | budluva | Guerin can you tell me that apt-get line again? |
| 04:38.40 | the_ultimate_sam | image=vmlinuz |
| 04:38.45 | the_ultimate_sam | label = linux |
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| 04:38.51 | the_ultimate_sam | read only |
| 04:38.59 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ok, read-only is fine too |
| 04:39.01 | the_ultimate_sam | #restricted |
| 04:39.03 | budluva | !about set up x |
| 04:39.09 | the_ultimate_sam | #alias = 1 |
| 04:39.10 | budluva | !tell budluva about set up x |
| 04:39.17 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Copy these three lines and make a second block |
| 04:39.35 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: forget about #restricted and #alias |
| 04:39.59 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Once you have copied it, change the lable to something different |
| 04:40.05 | the_ultimate_sam | before or after the second image? |
| 04:40.24 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: the second image has a # before, right? This is ignored anyway |
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| 04:40.30 | the_ultimate_sam | no |
| 04:40.35 | the_ultimate_sam | the 3rd has a # |
| 04:40.40 | the_ultimate_sam | the second is working |
| 04:40.47 | maestro5 | hm ok |
| 04:40.56 | Empty | Is there no non-us in sarge? |
| 04:40.57 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: It doesen't matter anyway |
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| 04:41.40 | exobyte | Installing jdk failed due to lack of disk space. How can I reclaim the space it used? |
| 04:41.56 | the_ultimate_sam | ok |
| 04:42.02 | rich_ | Empty deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 04:42.05 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Ok |
| 04:42.07 | the_ultimate_sam | i coppied it verbatum after the first one |
| 04:42.17 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Ok |
| 04:42.26 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Now change the lable |
| 04:42.36 | Empty | OhMyAchinLap, OK... Must just be the berkeley mirror I was using then |
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| 04:42.48 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: of the copy. Don't touch the original one |
| 04:42.51 | jme | hmm |
| 04:42.55 | the_ultimate_sam | ok |
| 04:42.58 | fakeuser | is it a bad thing to put all maildirs in /var/mailbox? |
| 04:42.59 | the_ultimate_sam | change it to...? |
| 04:43.05 | jme | giftd takes a while to scan a dirctory with 20k something files :) |
| 04:43.05 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Change it to 2.6.9 or whatever |
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| 04:43.16 | Empty | fakeuser: Maildirs should be in their owners homedirs |
| 04:43.28 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ehrm 8. But it doesen't matter, it's just a label |
| 04:43.41 | the_ultimate_sam | ...? |
| 04:43.51 | the_ultimate_sam | 2.6.8? |
| 04:43.51 | samuel | does debian testing use iptables? |
| 04:44.03 | fakeuser | empty thanks |
| 04:44.03 | maestro5 | samuel: Yep |
| 04:44.12 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Yep |
| 04:44.14 | Empty | fakeuser, np |
| 04:44.23 | simonrvn | samuel: 2.4 or 2.6 kernels. what do you think? |
| 04:44.43 | samuel | this is true... |
| 04:44.56 | samuel | dumb question... |
| 04:45.01 | the_ultimate_sam | ok i changes label=linux to label=2.6.8 on the second one |
| 04:45.17 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: ok |
| 04:45.43 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: change the name after image |
| 04:45.50 | the_ultimate_sam | to? |
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| 04:46.20 | simonrvn | samuel: :) |
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| 04:46.38 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-k7 |
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| 04:47.00 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: ah, I see. |
| 04:47.22 | paulc36 | Anyone know a good place to ask a raid 1 questions, 2.6 kernel? (if not here....) |
| 04:47.40 | the_ultimate_sam | done |
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| 04:48.02 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Save and run lilo |
| 04:48.10 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: And show me the output. Any errors? |
| 04:48.31 | budluva | Guerin ok, that didnt work, when i did that apt-get stuff, it went to autodetect my mouse, but deviced jammed or something, so it asked me again and i said to configure manually, and my pc froze |
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| 04:48.49 | budluva | Guerin should i apt-get remove x-window-system and gnome-core and gdm, and then try that line again? |
| 04:48.50 | Guerin | budluva: wow, that's fucked |
| 04:48.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: http://www.df7cb.de/projects/mutt/misc/ |
| 04:48.58 | Empty | Is kernel-tree just like an untarred kernel-source? |
| 04:49.33 | mindphasr | Anyone seen any debs of coaster around yet? |
| 04:49.34 | the_ultimate_sam | i put in command lilo and got "added linux* added 2.6.8 added linuxold" |
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| 04:49.50 | Sandman | Apparently I have apache2 installed because all the files for it are there, but I Haven't actually installed apache2, only libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 04:50.05 | Mc1brew | Okay so I just updated my kernel and I backed up my old kernel as linux.old and ran the lilo and everything, however it does not prompt me with a choice of kernel's what I can I do to get to the old kernel? |
| 04:50.07 | Sandman | SSI isn't working with my apache, either. |
| 04:50.08 | Guerin | simonrvn: what're those, then? |
| 04:50.18 | Sandman | I'm just confused because I have apache when yet I haven't installed it. |
| 04:50.29 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Okay |
| 04:50.31 | Empty | Sandman that lib probably would have had apache2 as a dep, you sure you don't? |
| 04:50.34 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: So |
| 04:50.34 | Guerin | budluva: yeah, maybe. That's a total mystery to me. |
| 04:50.43 | Sandman | Empty: Yes. I ran aptitude, and just searched for apache |
| 04:50.48 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: You got to reboot |
| 04:50.53 | Sandman | Empty: That package I just pasted is the only one installed with "apache" in it |
| 04:50.55 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: _but_ |
| 04:50.55 | the_ultimate_sam | ok |
| 04:50.58 | budluva | Guerin ok so how do i get apt to search for a package for me? i want to install jay's iptables firewall |
| 04:50.59 | the_ultimate_sam | but? |
| 04:51.07 | budluva | but dont have an x, so i cant do it through mozilla |
| 04:51.07 | Empty | Sandman, weird |
| 04:51.08 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: When you do nothing it boots the old one |
| 04:51.17 | Sandman | Empty: Yip. |
| 04:51.22 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: after the bios message, it shos for about 2 secs the line lilo: |
| 04:51.26 | Guerin | budluva: why? |
| 04:51.28 | simonrvn | Guerin: sidebar patch that worked in october. |
| 04:51.33 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: There you have to press shift or so |
| 04:51.39 | budluva | Guerin so i can share this machine and my xp machine with my cable modem |
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| 04:51.45 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: You are very short in time there |
| 04:51.45 | the_ultimate_sam | ok |
| 04:51.57 | Guerin | simonrvn: ah, ok, with the debian source? |
| 04:52.03 | Guerin | budluva: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 04:52.04 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Then you get a red list from where you can choose the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 04:52.19 | budluva | Guerin ip masquerading easy to config |
| 04:52.19 | budluva | ? |
| 04:52.20 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Everything clear? |
| 04:52.24 | the_ultimate_sam | ya |
| 04:52.31 | the_ultimate_sam | must i do this every time? |
| 04:52.34 | budluva | because i had fw jay up and running in 5 mins |
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| 04:52.43 | Guerin | budluva: ok, to search, use apt-cache search. |
| 04:52.43 | budluva | ipmasq seems like alot of configuration |
| 04:52.53 | Guerin | budluva: no, no config at all. |
| 04:53.00 | Guerin | but whatever you like. |
| 04:53.14 | budluva | oh ok |
| 04:53.18 | budluva | just install ipmasq then what? |
| 04:53.41 | simonrvn | Guerin: apparently. gonna test it in a few |
| 04:53.44 | maestro5 | Phated: So |
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| 04:53.56 | maestro5 | Phated: I'm wondering whether that new kernel will boot |
| 04:54.04 | maestro5 | Phated: It took the whole night :) |
| 04:54.12 | scarynetworkguy | maestro5: which new kernel? |
| 04:54.16 | Guerin | budluva: then point your client box at your server box's internal ip |
| 04:54.21 | Guerin | budluva: it Just Works |
| 04:54.24 | budluva | Guerin oh, nice |
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| 04:54.42 | maestro5 | scarynetworkguy: I tried to guide someone through a woody2sarge and kernel upgrade |
| 04:54.45 | Guerin | simonrvn: aye, lemme have another crack at it. |
| 04:54.49 | Mc1brew | Okay so I just updated my kernel and I backed up my old kernel as linux.old and ran the lilo and everything, however it does not prompt me with a choice of kernel's what I can I do to get to the old kernel? |
| 04:55.00 | maestro5 | scarynetworkguy: And the work on the console and with vi was quit... difficult |
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| 04:55.13 | scarynetworkguy | maestro5: Meh not that bad |
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| 04:55.30 | maestro5 | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 04:55.36 | scarynetworkguy | maestro5: in any case what is it that you wonder about the kernel? |
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| 04:56.04 | k-man_ | which is more secure WPA TKIP or WPA AES? |
| 04:56.09 | maestro5 | scarynetworkguy: Oh, we are just wondering whether it will boot and everything was made correctly and all |
| 04:56.20 | Guerin | k-man_: TLA is teh most secure of all |
| 04:57.19 | k-man_ | Guerin, yeah, thanks for the tip ;) |
| 04:57.21 | Mc1brew | So say lilo isn't prompting me to choose how to boot, how would I change that? |
| 04:57.33 | scarynetworkguy | maestro5: did it throw any errors while you were building it? Did the deb install cleanly? |
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| 04:58.15 | hugoyg | help |
| 04:58.34 | Mc1brew | ditto |
| 04:58.36 | Mc1brew | help |
| 04:58.59 | hugoyg | #flood |
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| 04:59.03 | Guerin | help! I need somebody, help! not just anybody! |
| 04:59.04 | maestro5 | scarynetworkguy: No, we were just joking, it even is a precompiled kernel... the point is that I had to explain every step and all and it took the whole night |
| 04:59.18 | bofh80 | anyone in here ever use mantis helpdesk? (not bug tracker....) |
| 04:59.19 | overclocker | hi, i found in the mail to the root a result of a cron process restarting mysql, i search that process in /etc/cron*, but i couldn't find anything, how could i search the line called by cron? |
| 04:59.21 | scarynetworkguy | maestro5: ok...... |
| 04:59.46 | Guerin | !tell bofh80 about anyone use |
| 05:01.51 | bofh80 | Guerin, lol, thnks. i think :) |
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| 05:02.18 | maestro5 | re the_ultimate_sam |
| 05:02.21 | the_ultimate_sam | ...no such luck |
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| 05:02.31 | the_ultimate_sam | it dident work |
| 05:02.34 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: What happened? |
| 05:02.36 | whatever | wheee |
| 05:02.47 | the_ultimate_sam | i couldent get on i ended up using linuxold to boot |
| 05:02.56 | the_ultimate_sam | umm |
| 05:03.15 | the_ultimate_sam | it couldent get something with root |
| 05:03.24 | the_ultimate_sam | said append "root=" |
| 05:03.49 | Guerin | bofh80: what is it that gives me the impression you're taking the name of bofh in vain... |
| 05:04.16 | whatever | hm, does anyone know why the iptables script under /etc/init.d/ isn't running at bootup, and is erroring with "aborting iptables load: unknown ruleset. "active"."? |
| 05:04.33 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: your just now getting that impression? |
| 05:04.33 | whatever | ...when you try and start it up manually |
| 05:04.52 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: And the linux kernel could not be loaded as well? |
| 05:04.59 | the_ultimate_sam | no |
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| 05:05.19 | the_ultimate_sam | neither linux nor 2.6.8 |
| 05:05.34 | budluva | Guerin ok, no i cant do anything |
| 05:05.42 | the_ultimate_sam | only linuxold |
| 05:05.48 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: been afk for a bit :) |
| 05:05.51 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: check the lilo.conf |
| 05:05.56 | budluva | Guerin this is messed up, autodetect mouse doesnt work, so when i go to configure manually, my system just freezes |
| 05:05.57 | cricket__ | hwo do i cahnge window manageres |
| 05:05.58 | the_ultimate_sam | im in it right now |
| 05:05.59 | Guerin | budluva: ok, that's hella fucked. |
| 05:06.04 | Guerin | budluva: what kernel? |
| 05:06.08 | whatever | :/ |
| 05:06.13 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: What is the difference between linuxold and the others? |
| 05:06.20 | budluva | 2.2.20-idepci |
| 05:06.30 | budluva | was a woody netinst cdrom i installed from |
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| 05:06.36 | budluva | then upgraded to sarge |
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| 05:06.45 | cricket__ | need2change window managers |
| 05:06.46 | cricket__ | how to do that |
| 05:06.55 | the_ultimate_sam | just the word optional |
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| 05:07.05 | the_ultimate_sam | an linuz.old opposed to linuz |
| 05:07.22 | the_ultimate_sam | vmlinuz.old* |
| 05:08.35 | the_ultimate_sam | im looking at the section on root it says root=/dev/hda1 |
| 05:08.46 | the_ultimate_sam | but in my error some reason it said it couldent get root |
| 05:08.51 | Empty | Can an MBR just go bad? And not work, period? |
| 05:09.07 | Klebe1 | is there anyway i can get a Microsoft keyboard to fully work in linux? |
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| 05:09.33 | Empty | Klebel mine "fully works" unless you are talking about one of the ones with silly Web Email etc buttons |
| 05:09.34 | maestro5 | Klebe1: What means fully work? Are there some multimedia keys? |
| 05:09.35 | rich_ | Klebe1 use xmodmap to set the keys |
| 05:09.56 | Klebe1 | k ill try that |
| 05:09.57 | tvn | which file do I edit to show a message *BEFORE* the user logs in ? definitely not /etc/motd since that shows AFTER the user logs in |
| 05:10.09 | the_ultimate_sam | ne idea? |
| 05:10.15 | Empty | tvn: that would depend on the login service |
| 05:10.28 | toggle | What prog alters the motd? |
| 05:10.32 | Empty | tvn: like a banner or something |
| 05:10.44 | whatever | the heck....a KISS doll viewer? |
| 05:10.49 | Empty | toggle: you can edit the file |
| 05:10.49 | whatever | I don't even want to know |
| 05:11.05 | toggle | Empty: I do and something overrides my changes. |
| 05:12.00 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: hmm |
| 05:12.16 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Try apt-get install grub |
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| 05:12.37 | Empty | my god is twm ugly |
| 05:13.05 | cricket__ | how do i change my window manager??????????/ |
| 05:13.16 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: *nod* |
| 05:13.34 | the_ultimate_sam | done |
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| 05:14.15 | reyno | hi |
| 05:14.21 | the_ultimate_sam | now what |
| 05:14.31 | reyno | i'm just testing |
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| 05:14.41 | reyno | how are you guys |
| 05:14.45 | rich_ | Empty xsetroot -solid black |
| 05:14.46 | pudor | hello room |
| 05:14.50 | thorie | hello |
| 05:15.04 | the_ultimate_sam | hallo pudor |
| 05:15.08 | pudor | I am the smartest man allive |
| 05:15.17 | pudor | I can install PACKAGES |
| 05:15.28 | the_ultimate_sam | ...puts u a step above me |
| 05:15.48 | reyno | U |
| 05:15.50 | pudor | I feel uber godly now lol |
| 05:16.18 | pudor | I can give you advise on what I learned today if you want |
| 05:16.33 | the_ultimate_sam | MAKE MY COMPUTER WORK! |
| 05:16.36 | the_ultimate_sam | lol |
| 05:16.38 | pudor | lol |
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| 05:16.56 | whatever | hm, so one one has any ideas about the iptables issue? |
| 05:17.04 | pudor | hell I doubt if I'll have this system running by xmas but I'll have fun |
| 05:17.13 | the_ultimate_sam | my computer is becoming very hostile with me |
| 05:17.17 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: check /boot/grub/menu.lst for the kernels |
| 05:17.18 | the_ultimate_sam | ...its not nice |
| 05:17.23 | pudor | kick it and call it dirty names |
| 05:17.52 | toggle | That's why mine is full of badblocks and segmentation faults. |
| 05:17.59 | whatever | lol |
| 05:18.36 | pudor | thats just cause you didn't kick it hard enough |
| 05:19.00 | toggle | Is the default gtk theme the smallest? |
| 05:19.22 | whatever | oh, you mean when you hear that strange clicking/grinding noise, and it becomes eerily silent for about a second? |
| 05:19.33 | the_ultimate_sam | /boot/grub/menu.lst:no such file or dirrectory |
| 05:19.45 | Empty | if I mkboot 2.6.8, will it find modules etc OK? |
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| 05:20.07 | toggle | whatever: that's the one. |
| 05:20.08 | the_ultimate_sam | firefox 1 is out |
| 05:20.16 | toggle | I am using it now... |
| 05:20.17 | radish | the_ultimate_sam: i mean for debian |
| 05:20.17 | whatever | the_ultimate: update-grub ? |
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| 05:20.28 | whatever | yeah, I got firefox too |
| 05:20.29 | toggle | It's everything you could ask.. |
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| 05:20.52 | radish | toggle: i'm using it on my w2k box and looking forward to it on debian... |
| 05:20.53 | Zenethian | Does anyone here use psi in unstable? It seems to not allow the use of gnupg with it. :-/ |
| 05:21.09 | whatever | -=sigh=- ...feck....stupid iptables. |
| 05:21.19 | oneo | if i have two mice plugged in (one's disabed in X11) how do i tell which one corresponds to which device? |
| 05:21.26 | Guerin | budluva: upgrade your kernel. Apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 05:21.32 | the_ultimate_sam | whatever: apt-get update-grub ? |
| 05:22.13 | whatever | the_ultimate: it can't find the menu.list, right? ...running the straight command update-grub should generate a new boot list as far as I remember. |
| 05:22.38 | whatever | if that was what you were getting at as being a problem |
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| 05:22.48 | pudor | I could use a point in a direction.. I'm haveing problems with things being displayed, what should I do? need to set up free86? |
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| 05:26.45 | the_ultimate_sam | it cant update grub |
| 05:26.52 | the_ultimate_sam | it says it isent installed |
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| 05:26.58 | the_ultimate_sam | and i cant seem to install it |
| 05:27.04 | whatever | um |
| 05:27.10 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: there's not such package as update-grub |
| 05:27.11 | whatever | did you try removing it, and then installing it again? |
| 05:27.20 | Guerin | apt-get install grub should work |
| 05:27.29 | Guerin | if it doesn't you're not running sarge |
| 05:27.33 | whatever | yes, update-grub is not a package, its a command |
| 05:27.39 | whatever | good |
| 05:27.59 | the_ultimate_sam | ...i dont think i am |
| 05:28.09 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont know what im running nemore |
| 05:28.11 | Guerin | !think |
| 05:28.11 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 05:28.19 | whatever | know what. |
| 05:28.34 | Guerin | know what you're running. know what you're doing. |
| 05:28.35 | xam | !know |
| 05:28.35 | dpkg | [know] Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 05:28.40 | Guerin | hehe |
| 05:28.42 | xam | !understand |
| 05:28.42 | dpkg | yes, xam |
| 05:28.43 | Guerin | nice |
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| 05:29.09 | joseg | my /var/log/messages is always empty. any ideas why? |
| 05:29.12 | the_ultimate_sam | well i upgraded to sarge from woody |
| 05:29.15 | whatever | I was being sarcastic |
| 05:29.17 | the_ultimate_sam | but things arent working |
| 05:29.23 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: no, you didn't. |
| 05:29.30 | the_ultimate_sam | so it isent a working woody or a working sarge |
| 05:29.31 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: you can't, it's impossible. |
| 05:29.34 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont know what it is |
| 05:29.43 | whatever | the_ultimate: I run sid, I find its more stable than sarge sometimes. |
| 05:29.48 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:29.54 | Guerin | !meaning of stable |
| 05:29.55 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. |
| 05:30.21 | streuner | Where are those mails stored, which can't deliverd (connection timed out) in postfix? |
| 05:30.24 | budluva | woody netinst uses 2.2.20 kernel? what does sarge netinst use for kernel? |
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| 05:30.29 | whatever | ....the hell? |
| 05:30.33 | maestro5 | Guerin: He's running sarge |
| 05:30.43 | the_ultimate_sam | says 3.0 |
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| 05:30.52 | Guerin | budluva: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 - install the kernel image I told you |
| 05:30.54 | streuner | budluva: 2.4.26 or such and a 2.6.x kernel |
| 05:30.57 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: that's woody |
| 05:30.57 | az[a]zel | anyone know of a handy tool for deleting messages off of a POP3 server?? |
| 05:31.04 | maestro5 | that's strange |
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| 05:31.06 | budluva | Guerin what kernel image? i must have missed it |
| 05:31.14 | Guerin | budluva: upgrade your kernel. Apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 |
| 05:31.14 | maestro5 | Guerin: He installed a 2.6.8 kernel image... |
| 05:31.15 | cricket__ | how can i download my kernel sources using apt-get |
| 05:31.19 | Arelius | az[a]zel, tekknet will work |
| 05:31.20 | budluva | ok cool |
| 05:31.20 | the_ultimate_sam | if thats woody what the hell was all that downloading and insalling about |
| 05:31.33 | Guerin | maestro5: then he hasn't done a full dist-upgrade |
| 05:31.44 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: dpkg -l |grep libc6 |
| 05:31.47 | maestro5 | Guerin: Looks like that, yes |
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| 05:32.09 | Guerin | cricket__: apt-get kernel-source-foo |
| 05:32.15 | cricket__ | whats the -foo mean |
| 05:32.19 | Guerin | !foo |
| 05:32.20 | dpkg | i heard foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 05:32.21 | cricket__ | verison? |
| 05:32.26 | az[a]zel | Arelius, just did a google for that and found nothing |
| 05:32.30 | BlackJudas | !installer |
| 05:32.30 | budluva | Guerin it tells me i have to install x-window-system-core and xfree86, which takes me to my autodetect mouse which will just crash my computer |
| 05:32.38 | BlackJudas | !d-i |
| 05:32.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, or but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 05:32.39 | Guerin | cricket__: yeah, it means "insert meaningful information here" |
| 05:32.43 | cricket__ | k |
| 05:32.45 | budluva | Guerin tells me to do a apt-get -f install |
| 05:32.49 | Guerin | budluva: do so |
| 05:33.04 | cricket__ | dont i need a keywrod before kernel-source-foo? |
| 05:33.05 | Guerin | az[a]zel: he meant telnet |
| 05:33.05 | cricket__ | liek isntall? |
| 05:33.10 | budluva | Guerin if i do, it takes me to xfree86 config and then i have the mouse detect problem |
| 05:33.11 | Arelius | az[a]zel, look up the Pop3 RFC |
| 05:33.22 | Guerin | cricket__: that wasn't a command line for you, it was an instruction. Yes. |
| 05:33.24 | the_ultimate_sam | ...what was that about? |
| 05:33.44 | az[a]zel | well I want to quickly and easily delete messages based on a search |
| 05:33.59 | Arelius | az[a]zel, know perl? |
| 05:34.01 | az[a]zel | the web based client we get from the uni is complete crap |
| 05:34.06 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: Shows the version of libc, which is different in woody and sarge |
| 05:34.06 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: give me the output of dpkg -l |grep libc6; I need to know what version you're running |
| 05:34.32 | az[a]zel | Arelius, yes. but I was looking for something a bit more automatic that would take me about 1.5 seconds to do |
| 05:34.50 | Guerin | budluva: ok, instead of that, do dpkg -P mdetect |
| 05:35.00 | the_ultimate_sam | libc6 2.3.2.ds1-18 |
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| 05:35.08 | Guerin | ok, that's sarge |
| 05:35.17 | Arelius | az[a]zel, use mozilla-thunderbird |
| 05:35.21 | the_ultimate_sam | libc6-dev same |
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| 05:35.26 | Arelius | az[a]zel, tell it to not delete images from server |
| 05:35.35 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: paste your sources.list to #flood |
| 05:35.38 | Arelius | az[a]zel, then to remove them when they are removed from your inbox |
| 05:35.45 | the_ultimate_sam | paste? |
| 05:35.46 | BlackJudas | I asked in the pertinent channels, but will the new d-i install amd64? |
| 05:35.49 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: or to a httpd someplace |
| 05:35.58 | the_ultimate_sam | ...? |
| 05:35.59 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: yeah, you know, like copy and paste |
| 05:36.02 | Gopher | i have a problem...whenever i run a game like ..medal of honor... or tuxracer...once the game starts..the screen distorts and there are weird lines on the screen and suddenly x freezes |
| 05:36.11 | deucehaus | i want to burn the gnu parted boot floppy image (partboot.img) to a cd. do i need to convert it to .iso first? i'm using cdrecord |
| 05:36.15 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont know how to copy paste in irssi-text |
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| 05:36.25 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont even have a mouse |
| 05:36.30 | Guerin | BlackJudas: I beleive the amd64 project does, but not officially. |
| 05:36.35 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:36.42 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: ok, type /j #flood |
| 05:36.43 | maestro5 | the_ultimate_sam: but not here please |
| 05:36.47 | BlackJudas | Guerin: ok, thanks. |
| 05:36.51 | budluva | Guerin ok removed mdetect, now install kernel? |
| 05:37.02 | Guerin | budluva: now try -f install again |
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| 05:37.45 | budluva | Guerin ok |
| 05:37.48 | BR_ | BlackJudas: after installing AMD64 or something? (just come in) |
| 05:37.49 | budluva | back in xfree86 config |
| 05:37.58 | Guerin | budluva: shouldn't b0rk now |
| 05:38.03 | Guerin | hopefully |
| 05:38.03 | Gopher | anyone have an idea for my problem?? |
| 05:38.06 | budluva | it asks me what to choose for mouse, should i do psaux or /dev/input/mice |
| 05:38.06 | budluva | ? |
| 05:38.08 | whatever | maestro5: when you get a sec, I've got a quick question for you (yes, it IS quick. lol) |
| 05:38.09 | docgnome | I'm trying to install the ATI drivers using the tutorial found at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html I get to a point where it says to make-kpkg --append-to-version "-k7" --added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.1 modules_image |
| 05:38.18 | maestro5 | whatever: Ok |
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| 05:38.36 | docgnome | The problem is when I do that it dumps what looks to be a shell script to the screen and does nothing else. |
| 05:38.36 | BlackJudas | BR_: sorry? |
| 05:38.51 | az[a]zel | Arelius, my mozilla mail at uni does that.. however, it doesn't work for when a filter match moves it to a local folder.. thus I have heaps of messages saved in a local folder, but are still on the server (there's 462 of them).. it's from a mailing list, so easily matchable.. but nothing will let me just delete the damn things |
| 05:38.52 | docgnome | Supposedly its supposed to create a deb package for me to install |
| 05:38.58 | maestro5 | whatever: Just ask :) |
| 05:39.01 | deucehaus | is there a difference betwee .iso and .img files? |
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| 05:39.09 | whatever | maestro5: oh. hah |
| 05:39.22 | Gopher | i have a problem...whenever i run a game like ..medal of honor... or tuxracer...once the game starts..the screen distorts and there are weird lines on the screen and suddenly x freezes |
| 05:39.28 | Gopher | any ideas? please? |
| 05:39.31 | BR_ | BlackJudas: Wondering what your question regarding AMD64 was... |
| 05:39.37 | Arelius | az[a]zel, I would personally just setup up a quick perl script using the Pop3 librarys from cpan |
| 05:39.39 | az[a]zel | MOH runs on Linux? |
| 05:39.49 | BR_ | BlackJudas: just installed it here you see, wondering If I could be of use. |
| 05:39.53 | whatever | maestro5: ...I'm having an issue with iptables here. I set up the rules with the front end ipmenu, but this is back history really, not really relevant as far as I can see to the issue. |
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| 05:40.02 | Gopher | yes az[a]zel, mohaa |
| 05:40.12 | az[a]zel | Gopher, wine? |
| 05:40.14 | BlackJudas | BR_: Gotcha, I was just wondering if the new debian-installer allows you to install AMD64 |
| 05:40.14 | Area-51 | how does one set the background image in fluxbox? :) |
| 05:40.26 | atnnn | is there any tool for configuring X to use 2 monitors? |
| 05:40.27 | Caveman- | brb, X restart required |
| 05:40.44 | BR_ | BlackJudas: I just used the netinst image from the site on alioth |
| 05:40.46 | Gopher | az[a]zel, used the linux installer for it..runs with a linux binary |
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| 05:41.07 | whatever | maestro5: basically iptables isn't loading rulesets on startup, and when I try and run /etc/init.d/iptables start it exists with an error of "aborting iptables load: unknown ruleset, "active"." any ideas? |
| 05:41.15 | az[a]zel | Gopher, hmm I didn't know it was ported.. cool |
| 05:41.16 | BlackJudas | BR_: Great... downloading :) |
| 05:41.35 | budluva | Guerin ??? |
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| 05:41.55 | whatever | maestro5: I don't necessarily need the iptables script, I just need a way for my rules to automatically load on boot. oo, an ipv6 |
| 05:42.01 | budluva | Guerin what should i select for my mouse? psaux, /input/mice, or tty? |
| 05:42.02 | maestro5 | whatever: Did you save the rules first? |
| 05:42.17 | BlackJudas | BR_: just the i386 one right? |
| 05:42.26 | whatever | maestro5: yep |
| 05:42.35 | maestro5 | whatever: And that worked? |
| 05:42.38 | Guerin | budluva: /dev/input/mice |
| 05:42.52 | whatever | maestro5: if I do it outside of the iptables script in init.d, yes. |
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| 05:43.02 | Area-51 | how does one set the background image in fluxbox? :) |
| 05:43.10 | Guerin | Area-51: #fluxbox |
| 05:43.13 | maestro5 | whatever: Do it with the iptables script |
| 05:43.21 | Area-51 | Guerin: thanks |
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| 05:43.35 | budluva | Guerin ok, so installing this new kernel image, what will this accomplish? maybe mouse support? |
| 05:43.43 | whatever | maestro5: I have to actually load it into the rule list first, then save it, which I did.... |
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| 05:43.59 | whatever | maestro5: ...then save it using the script rather. |
| 05:44.06 | Guerin | budluva: it might just make things not fucked |
| 05:44.13 | Arelius | how do you take a screenshot in Linux? |
| 05:44.16 | Guerin | budluva: the 2.2.20 kernel might be what's causing the fuckup |
| 05:44.22 | budluva | Guerin i see |
| 05:44.24 | streuner | Arelius: /msg dpkg ss |
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| 05:45.20 | whatever | maestro5: so basically I did. and I loaded it using the script too. still won't start. |
| 05:45.48 | atnnn | i get a 403 when aptitude tried to download mpglib, is that normal? |
| 05:45.59 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:46.07 | streuner | !tell the_ulitmate_sam about away |
| 05:46.18 | xam | argll, dammit |
| 05:46.38 | maestro5 | whatever: What is in /var/lib/iptables ? |
| 05:46.45 | budluva | Guerin ok, its done, do i have to activate the new kernel somehow? |
| 05:47.03 | budluva | Guerin uname -r still shows 2.2.20-idepci |
| 05:47.04 | whatever | maestro5: I'm not about to post that....its really long. |
| 05:47.06 | xam | budluva: first you have to say the prayer |
| 05:47.22 | budluva | xam and that would be... |
| 05:47.23 | budluva | ? |
| 05:47.24 | budluva | :P |
| 05:47.25 | Guerin | budluva: you have to boot to it. lilo or grub? |
| 05:47.31 | budluva | lilo |
| 05:47.39 | maestro5 | whatever: Is there a file called active? |
| 05:47.41 | whatever | maestro5: oh, I was thinking actual rulesets. eh, I've got my ruleset file listed |
| 05:47.45 | whatever | maestro5: no |
| 05:47.50 | Guerin | budluva: did you add the initrd details like the upgrade script told you? |
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| 05:48.02 | maestro5 | whatever: Ehrm |
| 05:48.05 | whatever | maestro5: some logic is kicking in here..... |
| 05:48.07 | budluva | no, i kinda skipped it, but i have to edit lilo.conf to boot to the new kernel right? |
| 05:48.19 | xam | budluva: please lord, make that this kernel is compiled kosher, so that my PC will enjoy your gift of healthyness |
| 05:48.22 | maestro5 | whatever: Well, then it's logic that it can't load the active ruleset if it isn't there |
| 05:48.26 | budluva | xam hehe |
| 05:48.34 | huhlig | hey anyone know what the rule is on leap year |
| 05:48.43 | huhlig | hmm wrong channel |
| 05:48.47 | whatever | maestro5: I never even saw stupid documentation on how to name my rules and use it in the script |
| 05:48.57 | az[a]zel | huhlig, google |
| 05:48.58 | whatever | maestro5: it makes sense now.... |
| 05:49.20 | whatever | maestro5: hopefully that was a simple question for you that didn't cause a hastle. ;) |
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| 05:49.41 | the_ultimate_sam | i got an error |
| 05:49.44 | budluva | Guerin where do i find initrd to editit? |
| 05:49.51 | maestro5 | whatever: Hm, well, sometime it's better to read the code than to read the docs :( |
| 05:49.53 | whatever | sexy sexy, it works. woo! |
| 05:50.17 | the_ultimate_sam | subprocess paste killed by signal (broken pip) |
| 05:50.37 | whatever | maestro5: I was begining to think it was a scripting bug. it never dawned on me that active was like....a FILE thats supposed to exist. |
| 05:50.52 | xam | huhlig: the rule for leap years is quite simple |
| 05:51.05 | Guerin | budluva: actually, what's easier is apt-get install grub grub-doc && grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub |
| 05:51.09 | Guerin | budluva: all in one go |
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| 05:51.20 | budluva | Guerin do that now? |
| 05:51.23 | whatever | maestro5: oh, so, now that I have that active ruleset set, it should load now automatically on boot? |
| 05:51.28 | budluva | before i edit my lilo to boot to new kernel? |
| 05:51.41 | maestro5 | whatever: I guess so |
| 05:51.47 | maestro5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.47 | maestro5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:51.53 | Guerin | budluva: yeah, I don't know lilo, but grub does this sort of thing automatically |
| 05:51.54 | budluva | Guerin oh ic, you want me to use grub instead of lilo |
| 05:51.56 | whatever | maestro5: hm, I can only hope. heh. |
| 05:52.00 | maestro5 | whatever: and start is invoked at bootup :) |
| 05:52.01 | budluva | Guerin ok, ill do it now |
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| 05:52.11 | maestro5 | whatever: You can check the symlinks |
| 05:52.22 | whatever | maestro5: oh? |
| 05:52.22 | xam | huhlig: every year that can be divided by 4 without reminder ... except for those years that can be divided by 100 ... however if a year can be devided by 400, it is a leap year (exception to the exception) |
| 05:52.26 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: what's happening on dist-upgrade ? |
| 05:52.59 | maestro5 | whatever: And check /etc/init.d/iptables start, of both is ok I'm quite sure it will work |
| 05:53.48 | xam | damn kernel |
| 05:53.51 | whatever | maestro5: yeah, using start worked |
| 05:54.25 | the_ultimate_sam | ok i think its done |
| 05:54.38 | whatever | maestro5: hate to run and stuff, but I'm exhausted, and I spent 6-8 hours today I should have used studying calc...which I'm five days behind now....but cripe, nothing comes between a man and his defunct network |
| 05:54.45 | the_ultimate_sam | it errored but then i did apt-get -f install |
| 05:54.49 | the_ultimate_sam | and it went through |
| 05:55.01 | Guerin | nice |
| 05:55.02 | budluva | Guerin im getting a bunch of end_request: I/O errors dev 2:00 (floppy) |
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| 05:55.10 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: so now it runs clean? |
| 05:55.10 | whatever | heheh |
| 05:55.13 | Guerin | budluva: ignore them |
| 05:55.17 | the_ultimate_sam | i dont know |
| 05:55.24 | Guerin | budluva: as long as they're just talking about your floppy |
| 05:55.24 | the_ultimate_sam | i havent rebooted yet |
| 05:55.37 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: run the dist-upgrade again |
| 05:55.37 | the_ultimate_sam | is everything in line to reboot? |
| 05:55.44 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: not yet |
| 05:55.51 | budluva | ya, but i've got like 10 of em, like it just keeps tryin to redetect it |
| 05:56.20 | Guerin | budluva: it's ok, it just probes everything. If it starts talking about actual HDDs you have installed, then you can worry. |
| 05:56.20 | budluva | and i got a cdrom: open failed. |
| 05:56.43 | the_ultimate_sam | it errored again |
| 05:56.45 | whatever | nite! |
| 05:56.47 | the_ultimate_sam | same place |
| 05:57.06 | the_ultimate_sam | replacing files in old manpages |
| 05:57.29 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: what error? Saying that a file is owned by some other package? |
| 05:57.40 | the_ultimate_sam | says broken pipe |
| 05:58.00 | budluva | Guerin how long is this going to take? its done this like 20 timesnow |
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| 05:58.09 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: grr, ok, cat the error message into #flood |
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| 05:58.18 | Guerin | budluva: it takes ages, don't sweat it. |
| 05:58.27 | Guerin | budluva: it only does this the first time. |
| 05:58.32 | oneo | how do i get rid of lirc_usb? |
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| 05:58.47 | oneo | is it a separate module from lirc? |
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| 05:59.12 | Kraig | damn i'm drunk! i read libc instead of lirc! |
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| 06:01.53 | Kraig | btw, what is lirc supose to mean? |
| 06:01.55 | BR_ | BlackJudas: hmm? |
| 06:02.52 | maestro5 | Kraig: Linux Infrared Remote Control? |
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| 06:03.15 | BR_ | http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/sid-amd64-netinst.iso is what I am talking about BlackJudas |
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| 06:03.37 | Kraig | maestro5: just in case "lol", i'm too drunk too google :P |
| 06:03.43 | renaissan | hahahahah |
| 06:03.46 | Kraig | :P |
| 06:03.57 | renaissan | that's funny kraig |
| 06:03.57 | maestro5 | Kraig: hm'k, I see |
| 06:04.05 | Kraig | damn, 8 beers are too much to think about algorithms... |
| 06:04.14 | renaissan | hahahaha |
| 06:04.15 | budluva | Guerin do i want /boot/grub/menu.1st generated? |
| 06:04.30 | Kraig | renaissan: i'm never funny... just to drunk, that's missunderstanding, i'm really serious... |
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| 06:05.19 | Guerin | budluva: yes, you do |
| 06:05.35 | budluva | ok thats doen |
| 06:05.38 | budluva | now what? |
| 06:05.41 | Kraig | sorry about OT stuff... |
| 06:05.49 | Guerin | you have to be |<-->| this sober to ride google |
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| 06:05.59 | Guerin | you have to be |<->| this sober to ride irc |
| 06:06.15 | Guerin | you have to be || this sober to ride #debian |
| 06:06.23 | budluva | Guerin reboot? |
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| 06:06.26 | Kraig | dude... i'm gettin lost... |
| 06:06.38 | Guerin | budluva: yeah, once it's done, reboot |
| 06:06.39 | Kraig | is there a mind-reboot? coz i need it... |
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| 06:07.44 | N1tr0 | Why would my ldaptop hd keep spinning down? I stopped laptop mode, but it still does it. |
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| 06:08.34 | Guerin | Kraig: why? does your brain need a new kernel? |
| 06:08.45 | Kraig | Guerin: for sure.... |
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| 06:10.45 | BR | N1tr0: interigate with hdparm |
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| 06:11.01 | mtnman | n1tr0: do you have noflushd installed? |
| 06:11.04 | N1tr0 | BR, I did hdparm -t /dev/hdc what should I be looking for? |
| 06:11.05 | grendal_prime | ive got plugin issues |
| 06:12.12 | N1tr0 | mtnman, I don't see it in /etc/init.d |
| 06:12.19 | maestro5 | grendal_prime: Can you describe that a bit more precisely? |
| 06:12.34 | Guerin | !vaguenessmite grendal_prime |
| 06:12.42 | mtnman | n1tr0: dpkg -s noflushd |
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| 06:13.13 | N1tr0 | mtnman, thanks! It isn't installed |
| 06:13.46 | N1tr0 | It was working fine until I apt-get dselect-upgrade'd today |
| 06:13.49 | mtnman | n1tr0: noflushd will spin down disks when not in use. i don't think that's what you want. |
| 06:14.08 | Guerin | !vaguenesssmite grendal_prime |
| 06:14.31 | streuner | cafuego: you are here? |
| 06:14.42 | The_Vulture | Guerin: more 's's == more power :) |
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| 06:14.51 | grendal_prime | ya...well no sound for the most part |
| 06:14.55 | grendal_prime | kina werid |
| 06:14.57 | budluva | Guerin ok, the new kernel doest detect my ethernet card |
| 06:15.07 | budluva | Guerin so i have no net access from the new kernel |
| 06:15.19 | xam | budluva: did you say the prayer as I told you? |
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| 06:15.23 | N1tr0 | mtnman, anything else? |
| 06:15.24 | Guerin | budluva: ok, that's normal. WHat card? |
| 06:15.26 | budluva | xam lol no |
| 06:15.32 | grendal_prime | i mean....realplayer...will have sound for the add....and no video...then when the actual app video starts playing no sound |
| 06:15.34 | xam | budluva: there you go ... |
| 06:15.36 | budluva | Guerin dlink, uses rtl8139 |
| 06:15.37 | N1tr0 | I uninstalled laptopmode, no change |
| 06:15.40 | Guerin | The_Vulture: yeah, samn me for spelling things right :( |
| 06:15.41 | mtnman | n1tr0: um someone mentioned hdparm... |
| 06:16.02 | N1tr0 | mtnman, what should I see? |
| 06:16.14 | Guerin | budluva: modprobe 8139too && echo "8139too" >> /etc/modules |
| 06:16.26 | budluva | k |
| 06:16.27 | mtnman | n1tr0: laptop mode is probably a meta-package. see what it depends upon. |
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| 06:16.47 | mtnman | n1tr0: you should probably see the manpage for hdparm. |
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| 06:17.14 | N1tr0 | mtnman, All right. I'll check it out. Thx |
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| 06:17.47 | michael123 | looking at running a shoutcast server. What do please use in substitute on linux for iwnamp |
| 06:17.55 | Guerin | michael123: xmms |
| 06:17.55 | mtnman | n1tr0; i'm sure that something which laptopmode installed is left behind. check what it depends upon. |
| 06:17.57 | michael123 | sorry winamp |
| 06:18.21 | maestro5 | michael123: xmms |
| 06:18.30 | Kraig | winamp in debian??? |
| 06:18.33 | Kraig | dude i'm drunk! |
| 06:18.37 | BlackJudas | what's the command for cdrecord and an atapi device? |
| 06:18.46 | maestro5 | michael123: But this concerns the client side |
| 06:18.50 | BlackJudas | cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd |
| 06:18.51 | BlackJudas | ?\ |
| 06:19.00 | BlackJudas | ugh... sry for the extraneous crap |
| 06:19.03 | mtnman | blackjudas: have you tried the manpage? |
| 06:19.09 | xam | mhh, I've rebooted my router twice and haven't been disconnected from IRC yet ;) .... |
| 06:19.23 | BlackJudas | mtnman: yeah, can't figure out the atapi mode :x |
| 06:19.37 | mtnman | blackjudas: sounds like you should read it again. |
| 06:19.46 | xam | BlackJudas: don't use dev=/dev/hdd |
| 06:20.01 | BlackJudas | thanks mtnman |
| 06:20.10 | BlackJudas | xam k re-reading atapi fun |
| 06:20.13 | xam | BlackJudas: don't use "ATA=" |
| 06:20.21 | oneo | anyone here familiar with lirc? |
| 06:20.31 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 06:20.31 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 06:20.39 | xam | BlackJudas: ATAPI= is also okay, but ATA is preferred |
| 06:21.01 | jme | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.11 | jme | :) |
| 06:21.21 | jme | too bad i don't know how to *use* it |
| 06:21.28 | danamania | gah. every time I see 'ata' I still read it as a modem command. |
| 06:21.46 | BlackJudas | xam: so ATA=/dev/hdd? |
| 06:21.51 | jme | danamania: +++ATH :) |
| 06:21.55 | jme | danamania: or whatever it was |
| 06:21.59 | xam | BlackJudas: no /dev/hdd |
| 06:22.07 | maestro5 | jme: ATH0 :) |
| 06:22.10 | danamania | yeah :). |
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| 06:22.14 | jme | maestro5: hehe |
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| 06:22.40 | BlackJudas | wow hrmm this isn't in the man page... |
| 06:22.51 | budluva | Guerin no, that didnt work, i rebooted my machine after that modprobe line and still nothing |
| 06:23.06 | budluva | Guerin do you think i should just download a sarge netinst instead of a woody netinst? |
| 06:23.09 | Kraig | modprobe doesn't need a rebooting... |
| 06:23.47 | BlackJudas | xam: so just cdrecord ATA blah.iso? |
| 06:23.57 | xam | BlackJudas: just a sec |
| 06:24.28 | Guerin | budluva: no, fix the problem. |
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| 06:24.47 | Guerin | budluva: do lsmod |grep 8139 |
| 06:24.51 | xam | !tell BlackJudas about cdrecord |
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| 06:24.53 | Guerin | budluva: is the module loaded? |
| 06:25.02 | Kraig | "que en asuntos del corazon no hay reglas de dos, que somos distintos somos iguales...!" |
| 06:25.04 | budluva | i dunno, back in old kernel now |
| 06:25.12 | Guerin | budluva: check. |
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| 06:25.28 | Kraig | hmmm.... wrong window |
| 06:25.30 | Kraig | sorry PP |
| 06:25.31 | BlackJudas | thanks xam |
| 06:25.37 | budluva | Guerin lsmod will tell me if its loaded? |
| 06:25.43 | Guerin | budluva: yes. |
| 06:25.45 | budluva | if it is loaded, then what do i do? |
| 06:26.07 | Guerin | budluva: bring up your eth interface. This is a desktop machine, right, and the card is PCI? |
| 06:26.15 | budluva | yes |
| 06:26.19 | budluva | how do i bring up eth2? |
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| 06:26.31 | Kraig | budluva: ifconfig eth2 up :P |
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| 06:26.37 | InKubus | ifup eth2 |
| 06:26.42 | Kraig | or so... |
| 06:26.54 | Guerin | budluva: ifup -a if you have it set in /etc/network/interfaces , which you mist have if 2.2.20 picks it up |
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| 06:27.12 | Kraig | budluva: but is better editing your /etc/network/interfaces and then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:27.28 | budluva | k |
| 06:27.32 | budluva | ill go try to get it to work |
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| 06:28.28 | xam | BlackJudas: best use 'cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus' to find out the proper name (eg. '0,1,0'), and then use 'cdrecord dev=ATA:0,1,0' to burn |
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| 06:28.49 | Kraig | brb, need more beer |
| 06:29.22 | xam | hmm, beeeer |
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| 06:32.41 | SuperPhly | anyone know anything about booting up the Asus A8V with debian sarge? |
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| 06:33.15 | paulc36 | difficulty with raid 1 here on upgrade to 2.6 kernel |
| 06:33.21 | paulc36 | any help? |
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| 06:33.45 | grendal_prime | aww crap |
| 06:33.56 | grendal_prime | realplayer ...plugin grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 06:34.09 | xam | grendal_prime hehe |
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| 06:35.21 | grendal_prime | sound no picture..then picture no sound |
| 06:35.28 | grendal_prime | anyone got this working right now? |
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| 06:38.43 | grendal_prime | its crazy cause i had this working when i had fedora running on this machine |
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| 06:39.43 | RainbowW | how good is the ntfs support in 2.6.x? i know it's read-only and that's sufficient. will it be good enough to preserve files while i shuffle from w2k to linux without loss of data? |
| 06:39.55 | Guerin | !fuck whoever gave people GUI debconf interface choices |
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| 06:40.15 | xam | w00t |
| 06:40.23 | BlackJudas | thanks again xam |
| 06:40.31 | xam | BlackJudas: no problem |
| 06:40.31 | RainbowW | i'm talking about maybe 110g of data |
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| 06:42.50 | webfreak | RainbowW: whoa. ltns. |
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| 06:43.17 | RainbowW | webfreak: you ain't been looking in the right places. |
| 06:43.25 | webfreak | RainbowW: heh. |
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| 06:43.53 | webfreak | RainbowW: how goes it? |
| 06:44.05 | RainbowW | webfreak: i'm sick and busy and sore and the kids are crying. |
| 06:44.13 | webfreak | RainbowW: so pretty good huh? :) |
| 06:44.21 | RainbowW | at least i'm not pregnant. |
| 06:44.25 | webfreak | RainbowW: hehe |
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| 06:44.34 | grendal_prime | damn... |
| 06:45.00 | grendal_prime | Are you recently NOT pregnant? |
| 06:45.16 | az[a]zel | does anyone ever get.. you know.. bored of Linux ? I'm not as interested in it as I used to be |
| 06:45.25 | RainbowW | grendal_prime: the twins are over a year now, but i don't care for the experience. |
| 06:45.27 | Sandman | Why would certain packages be "kept back" from upgrading? |
| 06:45.31 | az[a]zel | it's just an operating system now.. |
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| 06:45.33 | Guerin | az[a]zel: omfg... you might be getting a life! |
| 06:45.42 | Guerin | !tell Sandman about kept back |
| 06:45.44 | rich_ | az[a]zel that would be no. |
| 06:46.01 | az[a]zel | Guerin, nah that's not it.. im bored with everything at the moment |
| 06:46.05 | grendal_prime | i wish i could get the plugins working in my browser |
| 06:46.07 | Guerin | az[a]zel: haha |
| 06:46.27 | grendal_prime | other than that...im quite happy with linux |
| 06:46.31 | rich_ | More packages = less bored and with 14 thousand packages in sarge I never get bored |
| 06:46.43 | az[a]zel | heh |
| 06:47.05 | az[a]zel | I always have this guilty feeling that I need to be doing work.. I haven't had any guilt free time off for a while |
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| 06:47.41 | Arelius | az[a]zel, I knot exactally that feeling |
| 06:48.01 | Arelius | but az[a]zel what do you mean board with linux? |
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| 06:48.41 | az[a]zel | Arelius, well I used to be excited by it.. wanted it to take over the OS world.. I read linuxtoday.com everyday.. actually cared when new versions of distro's came out.. etc.. but now I just don't care |
| 06:48.43 | rich_ | Its good to stay busy |
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| 06:49.05 | RainbowW | how good is the ntfs support in 2.6.x? i know it's read-only and that's sufficient. will it be good enough to preserve files while i shuffle from w2k to linux without loss of data? i'm talking about maybe 110g of data. |
| 06:49.20 | az[a]zel | 110 grams |
| 06:49.46 | rich_ | RainbowW I heard you can write pretty good as long as the new file is the same size as the old file |
| 06:50.01 | RainbowW | rich_: writing is not necessary. |
| 06:50.03 | az[a]zel | you wouldn't want to risk enabling write support |
| 06:50.11 | az[a]zel | it's stable enough to read stuff off of |
| 06:50.14 | Arelius | az[a]zel, well, why should you care too much, it is just a tool... I thought you got tired of 'using' linux |
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| 06:50.41 | RainbowW | i just need it to hold the data while i format the other drives, and then i'll format it as well. |
| 06:50.43 | az[a]zel | Arelius, well it used to be more than a tool to me.. it was "cool".. but now it's just a tool.. |
| 06:51.09 | Arelius | az[a]zel, heh, I do understand what you mean, and yeah, in that sense, I to have become board |
| 06:51.42 | Arelius | az[a]zel, but that is what college/girlfriend/life seems to do |
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| 06:51.48 | rich_ | Is your television just a tool? I watch linux more than my tv. |
| 06:52.03 | Arelius | rich_, I don't have a TV |
| 06:52.16 | rich_ | thats why your bored. |
| 06:52.17 | Arelius | rich_, I got rid of it cause when I had one, I never used it |
| 06:52.22 | The_Vulture | s/your/you're/ |
| 06:52.48 | Arelius | rich_, no, not bored, just bored of linux as a revolution |
| 06:52.56 | Guerin | s/board/bored/ |
| 06:52.56 | Arelius | as linux as a way of life =P |
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| 06:53.02 | Arelius | bored |
| 06:53.24 | rich_ | I was drinking peach juich and so typeing with one hand. Snapple peach juice, not some kind of code for sex |
| 06:53.59 | Arelius | rich_, well if you were having sex while typing with one hand, I would have to question your prioritys |
| 06:54.20 | rich_ | Arelius theres a lot of wierdos out there |
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| 06:56.42 | Arelius | rich_, true, but I would like to think otherwise |
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| 06:57.11 | rich_ | Arelius Well you know, unix has been around a long long time, and linux is just sort of a modern incarnation of it. I wouldnt call it a revolution, just the way things have always been. The revolution happenned with putting hardware on everyones desk and in everyones home in the 1980's |
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| 06:58.03 | kurumin | are you brazilian? |
| 06:58.19 | rich_ | az[a]zel Well you know, unix has been around a long long time, and linux is just sort of a modern incarnation of it. I wouldnt call it a revolution, just the way things have always been. The revolution happenned with putting hardware on everyones desk and in everyones home in the 1980's |
| 06:58.27 | rich_ | Arelius sorry I meant that for az[a]zel |
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| 06:59.25 | Arelius | mozilla thunderbird is stupid |
| 06:59.48 | Abyssos | Arelius :)) that`s true :> |
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| 07:00.10 | Arelius | Abyssos, heh, it isn't even consistant with where it puts the mail |
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| 07:00.46 | rich_ | Yea if your going to use a web browser it light as well be the biggest, most bloated one that works for the most pages so you might as well use mozilla |
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| 07:00.59 | Abyssos | i`m use a mutt or elm.. :) |
| 07:01.10 | JVaughn | lynx babye :) |
| 07:01.14 | rich_ | I mean the whole idea of web browsers is bloat anyway so you might as well go all the way |
| 07:01.16 | Arelius | lynx is awesome |
| 07:01.35 | MerlinCorey_ | Slurm! It's highly addictive! |
| 07:01.35 | Arelius | but rich_ I was refering to mail clients |
| 07:01.50 | rich_ | Arelius Oh. In that case try xfmail or mutt |
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| 07:02.32 | kurumin | god sava bush! |
| 07:02.39 | Empty | MerlinCorey_, please god tell me that is not a mail version of slrn |
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| 07:04.03 | kurumin | alguem fala portugues? |
| 07:04.23 | Guerin | !br |
| 07:04.23 | dpkg | somebody said br was Brazil, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 07:09.43 | budluva | ok, im trying to get 2.6.8 kernel to recognize my ethernet card, on boot i get error while getting interface flag: no such device |
| 07:09.55 | mixter | i'd like to copy some files (mrtg-generated images) regulary from one of my servers to another (with a webserver). the files will be copied over internet, so encryption would be good. is there any easy way to accomplish this? i could use ssh, but i want to be able to make a cronjob, so i cant enter a password |
| 07:10.09 | budluva | i've modprobe 8139too && echo "8139too" >> /etc/modules |
| 07:10.22 | budluva | then lsmod | grep 8139 shows that its loaded |
| 07:10.33 | maestro5 | budluva: Great |
| 07:10.34 | dondelelcaro | mixter: use a webserver or similar. |
| 07:10.37 | Guerin | budluva: what does dmesg say? |
| 07:10.43 | budluva | didnt check dmesg |
| 07:10.48 | Guerin | budluva: do so |
| 07:10.50 | mtnman | mixter: you can configure ssh to use passwordless authentication. |
| 07:10.50 | mixter | budluva: if you run dmesg, does the kernel reports your card? |
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| 07:10.57 | maestro5 | mixter: Maybe it is an option to use keys |
| 07:11.01 | xam | budluva: check dmesg and say a prayer |
| 07:11.01 | dondelelcaro | mixter: not to mention the fact that it's not that difficult to make ssh use keys for authenticate. |
| 07:11.02 | maestro5 | mixter: ssh keys |
| 07:11.07 | Fosten | just curious... i found an old vanilla-3.0.23-mini.iso lying around my computer... how is this different from woody-i386-1.iso? |
| 07:11.09 | budluva | let me check, ill be back in 5 mins |
| 07:11.11 | maestro5 | mixter: or rsync |
| 07:11.13 | Empty | mixter: you could use wget to get the images, alternately make a cruft solution with ssh... no need for a pasword if you investigate authorized_keys |
| 07:11.22 | mixter | mtnman: ok... i'll look into the passwd-less ssh |
| 07:11.36 | Guerin | lftp! rsync! |
| 07:11.47 | maestro5 | mixter: http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/document/html-one-page/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO.html |
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| 07:11.53 | mixter | maestro5: rsync would bo nice to ofcourse... why din't i think of that? :-) |
| 07:12.02 | maestro5 | mixter: No idea :) |
| 07:12.11 | mixter | maestro5: you dont know? ;-) |
| 07:12.24 | starseed | hwo do I for apt to install a package, even if it has a file which is also in another package ? |
| 07:12.40 | jm_ | starseed: check BTS |
| 07:12.46 | Empty | Wow upgrading a base install to sarge is 95 packages |
| 07:12.51 | Guerin | starseed: dpkg -i --force-overwrite foo.deb |
| 07:13.00 | maestro5 | mixter: I mean I don't know why you didn't think about it :) |
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| 07:13.33 | Kraig | see you later, i need something to eat and then "i'll be back" to chat with you and try to help/confuse :P |
| 07:13.40 | Empty | The MBR on my other drive was hosed so I grabbed another... It was wiping swap when I heard "thunk thunk thunk" coming from it... HD3 upgrading to sarge right now, hopefully it won't burst into flames |
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| 07:14.04 | Guerin | Empty: mechanical noises emanating from HDD = badness |
| 07:14.34 | Empty | Guerin: yeah no doubt, haven't heard a noise like from an HD in a long time |
| 07:15.06 | Empty | Heard one worse drive though, someone parked it (back when they still had parking arms) while it was spinning 5k+ rpm |
| 07:15.18 | starseed | Guerin, thanks worked like a charm |
| 07:15.44 | dondelelcaro | Empty: nothing sounds quite like a full on head crash though... |
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| 07:15.59 | budluva | ok |
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| 07:16.21 | Guerin | man, we've had some really ugly woody->sarge installs today |
| 07:16.27 | budluva | dmesg spits out a bunch of this, and i cant read whats at the begining, too much for 1 screen |
| 07:16.29 | Empty | dondelelcaro, yeah that's a special sound. It's like hearing the bedroom door lock after your wife stormed out of an argument ;) |
| 07:16.45 | Guerin | budluva: dmesg |grep -i eth |
| 07:16.56 | budluva | |grep or | grep? |
| 07:17.02 | Guerin | budluva: either |
| 07:17.07 | budluva | ok |
| 07:17.08 | budluva | brb |
| 07:17.11 | Empty | I am updating to sarge right now... Doing it immediately after the base install though so it should go well |
| 07:17.20 | Guerin | Empty: one can hope |
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| 07:18.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:18.04 | Guerin | mmm |
| 07:18.11 | xam | hmpppfff |
| 07:18.14 | Guerin | sure that's not a puddle of slurm? |
| 07:18.29 | Empty | This is a family channel, Guerin. |
| 07:18.30 | panzr|wrk | like slurm cola? |
| 07:18.38 | dondelelcaro | Empty: this is why coat hangers were invented |
| 07:18.42 | Guerin | Empty: no, it is not. |
| 07:18.44 | dondelelcaro | panzr|wrk: what else could it be? |
| 07:18.48 | xam | Empty: since when? |
| 07:18.50 | panzr|wrk | no idea |
| 07:18.53 | dondelelcaro | ROYAL SLURM! |
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| 07:18.59 | Empty | I was making a pun on slurm |
| 07:19.18 | Guerin | Empty: you might have thought you were. But you weren't. |
| 07:19.26 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:19.27 | directhex | your pun-fu is weak |
| 07:19.29 | Guerin | time for dishes |
| 07:19.37 | Guerin | lest they end up on my side of the bed |
| 07:19.43 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: ooo... ooo... come to my house and do dishes. |
| 07:19.44 | panzr|wrk | at 8 am? hehe |
| 07:19.59 | xam | panzr: you mean 7am? |
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| 07:20.16 | panzr|wrk | no, 8:27am to be specific |
| 07:20.19 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: you can'y put your dishes in my bed, and then refuse to sleep in it until they're done.... so, no. |
| 07:20.35 | Guerin | panzr|wrk: don't you mean 1620? |
| 07:20.38 | Guerin | !time |
| 07:20.38 | dpkg | i heard time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Wed Nov 10 07:20:39 2004 |
| 07:20.41 | panzr|wrk | nop |
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| 07:20.50 | xam | hehe |
| 07:20.50 | Guerin | panzr|wrk: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 07:20.53 | xam | dpkg, thanks |
| 07:20.53 | dpkg | de nada, xam |
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| 07:21.27 | budluva | ok |
| 07:21.41 | panzr|wrk | my date is fine |
| 07:21.44 | panzr|wrk | and time |
| 07:22.00 | budluva | that was an easy fix, /etc/network/interfaces was using eth2, dmesg showed eth0 and eth1, just switched interfaces from eth2 to eth0 and rebooted |
| 07:22.03 | xam | panzr|wrk: so, what time is it then? |
| 07:22.07 | Guerin | nice |
| 07:22.08 | panzr|wrk | GMT+1 |
| 07:22.15 | budluva | Guerin ok, now that im running the new kernel, how do i get x configured? |
| 07:22.21 | Guerin | i'm off, back in a couple hoursish |
| 07:22.32 | panzr|wrk | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 07:22.33 | xam | panzr|wrk: no, it is GMT |
| 07:22.37 | Empty | budluva: for future reference ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 would work also |
| 07:22.46 | Guerin | budluva: /msg dpkg set up x again |
| 07:22.47 | panzr|wrk | time is dynamic :p |
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| 07:22.55 | xam | panzr|wrk: no, it is relative |
| 07:23.03 | xam | ;-P |
| 07:23.09 | panzr|wrk | hmm, ya, i s'pose |
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| 07:23.37 | budluva | Guerin should i apt-get remove x-window-system, gnome-core, and gdm |
| 07:23.39 | budluva | ? |
| 07:23.48 | Empty | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.51 | Empty | heh |
| 07:24.10 | budluva | na i want to know if i should remove it before i try and re-install it |
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| 07:26.13 | acetech | anyone familiar with seperate MIME files on usenet? |
| 07:26.16 | The_Ball | "blockdeb --getsize /dev/sda1" would return the number of 512byte blocks /dev/sda1 consists of. Is there a way to do this on a system that doesn't have the blocksize app? |
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| 07:28.16 | slashme | Hi! Where is the best place to get clear, simple instructions on how to install a new kernel package (stock kernel, not self-compiled) |
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| 07:28.35 | bob2 | apt-get install kernel-image-<whatever> |
| 07:28.39 | bob2 | follow the instructions |
| 07:28.42 | bob2 | CAREFULLY |
| 07:28.48 | bob2 | if you're on ppc, run "ybin -v" afterwards |
| 07:28.56 | slashme | acetech: As in different mime files for one large file? |
| 07:29.08 | acetech | slashme, exactly |
| 07:29.47 | acetech | slashme, i tried a prog called glitter and knode... not really what im looking for though |
| 07:29.55 | Empty | damnit I am getting sick of deleting this known_hosts line LOL |
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| 07:30.25 | MerlinCorey_ | Empty: sounds like you're ready for... AUTOMATION |
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| 07:30.55 | MerlinCorey_ | mmm, family guy |
| 07:31.43 | Joint | !joint |
| 07:31.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, joint is the nearest you will get to kissing god |
| 07:31.55 | rich_ | everyone watching the cartoon channel? |
| 07:31.58 | acetech | slashme, have you done this on newsgroups with linux? |
| 07:32.11 | MerlinCorey_ | rich_: some prolly watching comedy central |
| 07:32.24 | rich_ | MerlinCorey_ Is the schedule the same? |
| 07:32.46 | MerlinCorey_ | well, it's repeat time on the east coast, for cartoon channel |
| 07:32.55 | MerlinCorey_ | so family guy is just coming on in the west |
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| 07:33.32 | budluva | Guerin ok, im lost |
| 07:33.41 | MerlinCorey_ | !win Guerin |
| 07:33.41 | budluva | that big long command i did |
| 07:33.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 07:33.59 | budluva | then it asks me to apt-get -f install so i do that |
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| 07:34.09 | rich_ | tv's have a buttons called "brightness" but it dont work"--gallagher |
| 07:34.23 | MerlinCorey_ | :) |
| 07:34.26 | budluva | i get xfree86 and i config it, try the big long command again, and i get told to run -f install again |
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| 07:34.39 | Joint | !tell budluva how to configured X |
| 07:34.42 | luctor | how can I get the "wizard" for configuring exim4 back ? |
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| 07:34.50 | MerlinCorey_ | budluva: sounds like an endless loop |
| 07:34.55 | Joint | !tell budluva set up x |
| 07:34.55 | budluva | MerlinCorey_ it is |
| 07:34.58 | xam | luctor: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 07:35.10 | MerlinCorey_ | budluva: so exit the loop |
| 07:35.12 | Joint | budluva: type this /msg dpkg set up x |
| 07:35.21 | budluva | Joint thats what im tryin to do |
| 07:35.27 | xam | luctor: of exim-config if you are using exim3 |
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| 07:35.38 | xam | s/of/or/ |
| 07:35.39 | Joint | say no to frame |
| 07:35.48 | MerlinCorey_ | budluva: do what he told you |
| 07:35.54 | budluva | who? |
| 07:35.55 | luctor | xam: thank you, I used exim4 and nothing happened |
| 07:36.32 | acetech | how can i install Sun JRE? |
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| 07:37.04 | budluva | i dont get asked if i want to use frame buffer |
| 07:37.05 | MerlinCorey_ | budluva: joint did |
| 07:37.27 | MerlinCorey_ | oh well |
| 07:37.29 | Joint | !tell acetech about java |
| 07:37.42 | Joint | budluva: dont used frame buffer |
| 07:37.45 | mauri | hi |
| 07:37.49 | Joint | that's why your X is not working |
| 07:37.51 | Joint | mauri: hiya |
| 07:37.53 | budluva | Joint it doesnt ask me if i want to use it |
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| 07:38.30 | Joint | it will |
| 07:38.35 | budluva | it doesnt |
| 07:38.40 | budluva | i just tried again |
| 07:39.01 | Joint | apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:39.05 | Joint | did you put that? |
| 07:39.36 | budluva | yes |
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| 07:40.07 | mauri | I got X up and going but after reviewing my notes I realize that I installed both xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk and xserver-xfree86. Is DRI better because of Accel support? |
| 07:40.08 | Joint | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:40.11 | Joint | try that |
| 07:40.47 | Joint | mauri: pick which ever your feel good with |
| 07:41.03 | budluva | Joint does it matter if i used simple medium or advanced questions? |
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| 07:41.39 | budluva | hrmm |
| 07:41.42 | budluva | no it doesnt |
| 07:41.46 | coywolf | how to open rar files? which tool? |
| 07:41.51 | budluva | i dont get asked if i want to use frambuffer or not |
| 07:41.57 | mauri | if I pick xserver-xfree86 should comment out "DRI" in my XF86Config-4 ? |
| 07:42.03 | jjh | rar |
| 07:42.06 | Joint | budluva: just pick simple |
| 07:42.16 | budluva | joint, ya it doesnt matter, i still dont get asked |
| 07:42.40 | Joint | unrar coywolf |
| 07:42.43 | budluva | is there a file i can edit so it doesnt use framebuffer? |
| 07:42.57 | BR | coywolf: unrar, rar, unrar-nonfree |
| 07:43.07 | mauri | And how do I find out which xfree86 install I'm running? |
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| 07:43.38 | Joint | budluva: yeah /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 07:43.39 | `NeRVaL | hello, i came here to ask a question ? |
| 07:43.44 | amphi | mauri: X -version |
| 07:43.49 | Joint | `NeRVaL: you ready did |
| 07:43.59 | `NeRVaL | well, how do I configure the monitor ? |
| 07:44.00 | rich_ | `NeRVaL: yes. |
| 07:44.01 | mauri | thks |
| 07:44.38 | `NeRVaL | it's setted up to 800x600 on 60mhz or something like that, i've chosen the automatic one ; but I was using 1600x1200 flawlessly on ubuntu |
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| 07:45.01 | `NeRVaL | it's not on the control panel, where can I set it up ? |
| 07:45.03 | kisielk | has anyone here tried software Raid 1 ? |
| 07:45.10 | `NeRVaL | (I know it's a stupid question, i'm sorry) |
| 07:45.18 | Joint | `NeRVaL: you mean your screen resolution? |
| 07:45.55 | `NeRVaL | well the reason the screen resolution can't be changed because my monitor isn't recognized |
| 07:45.58 | budluva | Joint i dont see anything in there about a framebuffer |
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| 07:46.51 | Joint | !tell `NeRVaL set up x |
| 07:46.54 | `NeRVaL | it's locked at 800x600 73hz |
| 07:46.57 | Joint | grrr |
| 07:46.59 | `NeRVaL | ok |
| 07:47.04 | Joint | `NeRVaL: ok type this /msg dpkg set up x |
| 07:47.16 | Joint | budluva: ok |
| 07:47.29 | `NeRVaL | thanks |
| 07:47.59 | Joint | go to the installation again budluva |
| 07:48.02 | Joint | i will help ya out |
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| 07:48.51 | Joint | the first question is Attempt to autodetect video hardware? you put yes |
| 07:48.55 | K-Rich | is there a was i can review what packages were installed after my last 'apt-get dist-upgrade' ? |
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| 07:49.17 | mauri | amphi or joint: I tried apt0get remove xserver-xfree86 and it has xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk as dep so I guess it's redundant. Doe anyone know some thing to the contrary? |
| 07:49.20 | K-Rich | (impoortant as bu buolds are now borked on one of my projects) |
| 07:49.51 | Joint | mauri: type apt-get -f install |
| 07:50.00 | budluva | Joint yes |
| 07:50.02 | bob2 | K-Rich: no |
| 07:50.08 | bob2 | K-Rich: if you use aptitude in future, you can |
| 07:50.14 | Joint | and see if the packaged was removed, |
| 07:50.28 | budluva | joint, i hit no for autodetect |
| 07:50.32 | budluva | then select savage |
| 07:50.40 | Joint | ok then select your video card, |
| 07:50.45 | budluva | ya |
| 07:50.57 | K-Rich | bob2: ugh... there is no list on the debian.org site or elsewhere? |
| 07:51.04 | budluva | then it asks for XKB ruleset |
| 07:51.08 | bob2 | K-Rich: of what you personally upgraded? no. |
| 07:51.10 | mauri | I'm tring ot install, I was trying to remove one of them 'causeI thoght one ws redundant |
| 07:51.13 | budluva | and then i config my keyboard |
| 07:51.24 | bob2 | K-Rich: apt-get is not a high-level tool |
| 07:51.36 | Joint | i wish debian had an event on Miami Florida |
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| 07:51.54 | Joint | ok budluva so your done? |
| 07:52.09 | budluva | ya |
| 07:52.11 | mauri | I got you, attempt to fis broken deps, sure |
| 07:52.17 | mauri | fix |
| 07:52.18 | K-Rich | bob2: well, i do dist upgrade one time a day... i was hoping i could find a list of all updated today and i can weed out from there |
| 07:52.33 | Guerin | K-Rich: hahahaha |
| 07:52.37 | Joint | budluva: now type gdm |
| 07:52.49 | bob2 | K-Rich: no, apt-get does not store that |
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| 07:52.52 | bob2 | K-Rich: use aptitude. |
| 07:53.02 | jm_ | K-Rich: try ls -lrt /usr/share/doc |
| 07:53.10 | budluva | command not found |
| 07:53.11 | jm_ | or /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 07:53.11 | Guerin | except aptitude dist-upgrade sometimes does fucked things |
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| 07:53.52 | Joint | budluva: ok, well can you at least do startx? |
| 07:53.54 | Guerin | daily dist-upgrade of sid is for the bird |
| 07:53.55 | Guerin | s |
| 07:54.00 | Joint | budluva: are you as root? |
| 07:54.18 | budluva | ya |
| 07:54.38 | budluva | XIO fatal io error |
| 07:54.40 | K-Rich | Guerin: how often ? |
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| 07:55.05 | budluva | error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server 0:0 |
| 07:55.07 | Guerin | K-Rich: I do mine every week or six |
| 07:55.09 | acetech | anyone here familiar with installing the .bin of the JRE? |
| 07:55.11 | Joint | ok |
| 07:55.17 | bob2 | Guerin: yeah, aptitude goes off the rails sometimes |
| 07:55.22 | bob2 | K-Rich: it doesn't fuck up without asking |
| 07:55.25 | Guerin | K-Rich: once a week would be a sane minimum |
| 07:55.32 | Guerin | err, maximum |
| 07:55.34 | Joint | brb im gonna go for a cig |
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| 07:56.22 | Gau | Hmm.. |
| 07:56.41 | Gau | I wonder how you say "line of C code" in Japanese. |
| 07:56.41 | Kraig | i was thinking some hamburgers would gemme nomarl... unfortunately they didn't... |
| 07:56.51 | Kraig | Gau: hehe |
| 07:56.59 | K-Rich | ugh |
| 07:57.09 | K-Rich | see nothing to cause this error |
| 07:58.10 | Sandman | Why isn't UMSDOS in the kernel anymore? |
| 07:58.45 | JVaughn | was umsdos ever in the kernel? I mean you still have fat,fat16,ntfs etc etc fs support |
| 07:58.55 | JVaughn | wasn't umsdos just an app? |
| 07:59.00 | hemicuda | nope |
| 07:59.03 | jm_ | no it's in kernel |
| 07:59.19 | JVaughn | oh i'm thinking of mtools |
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| 07:59.28 | hemicuda | Sandman, do you actually need umsdos? |
| 07:59.29 | budluva | Guerin so do think i should just re-install this woody netinst cd? |
| 07:59.34 | hemicuda | Does anyone need it? |
| 07:59.56 | Sandman | hemicuda: Yes |
| 08:00.04 | Sandman | hemicuda: I do actually _need_ it |
| 08:00.06 | jm_ | we used to have a umsdos installation here on some crap old HP machine |
| 08:00.07 | hemicuda | What for? |
| 08:00.25 | Sandman | hemicuda: I've 2 3GB partitions, one for windows, one for linux. Then there's a 30GB partition that they both share |
| 08:00.27 | K-Rich | thanks guys |
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| 08:00.43 | hemicuda | Yeah. So? |
| 08:00.56 | Sandman | Well, I need the 30GB to be UMSDOS so that I can have perms on it |
| 08:00.59 | Sandman | So users can build things, etc |
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| 08:01.19 | Sandman | In fact, I was thinking about mounting the 30GB to /home |
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| 08:01.26 | Sandman | So, yes, I do in fact need UMSDOS. |
| 08:01.28 | Kraig | !tell kraig about UMSDOS |
| 08:01.30 | mauri | did the apt-get -f install and apparently there's nothing wrong w/ my deps. Doing apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 again brings up xserver-xfree-dri-trunk as a dep. But removing the xserver-xfree86-dri-trunk doesn't bring up any deps, so I'll gues I'll live w/o the dri-trunk. |
| 08:01.38 | jm_ | well at least 2.4.27 has umsdos support, but it was removed from 2.6 |
| 08:01.48 | Sandman | Why? |
| 08:01.52 | Sandman | Why'd they remove it, I wonder. |
| 08:02.15 | hemicuda | 'cause nobody uses it anymore (except for some few people) |
| 08:02.22 | Gau | I wish the DRI worked on here :( |
| 08:02.30 | jm_ | there http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0407.1/0763.html |
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| 08:02.44 | hemicuda | Did you check if there's a patch for 2.6, Sandman? |
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| 08:02.56 | Sandman | hemicuda: There is. |
| 08:02.59 | jm_ | and this might help with 2.6 http://linux.voyager.hr/umsdos/ |
| 08:03.05 | hemicuda | So what's the problem? |
| 08:03.08 | Gau | But if I wanted to get my DRI working, I'd need someone to walk me through it...and no one has the patience :P |
| 08:04.13 | Kraig | hmmmm.... DRI not working? |
| 08:04.16 | Kraig | hmm..... |
| 08:04.27 | sharko | is there any open source html editor that is like frontpage or dreamweaver? |
| 08:04.40 | Kraig | sharko: vim? :P |
| 08:04.43 | hemicuda | nvu, sharko |
| 08:04.53 | sharko | Kraig: LOL |
| 08:05.10 | Kraig | sharko: it is, right? :P |
| 08:05.12 | rich_ | Gau If you read the docs and watch other people do it a few times you can figure out what questions to ask |
| 08:05.33 | sharko | Kraig: I feel vim would be over kill for html editing |
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| 08:05.57 | Kraig | sharko: vim rulez so much! |
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| 08:06.19 | Kraig | sharko: light! configurable! easy to use! vim-tutor!, etc...etc...etc... |
| 08:06.32 | mauri | night |
| 08:06.47 | sharko | Kraig: ok ok, you're right |
| 08:06.55 | sharko | Kraig: can't argue with you on that one |
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| 08:07.58 | Kraig | hehe |
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| 08:10.04 | Kraig | "once i believed in the voice of a god, the god of creation is gone!!!" |
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| 08:10.28 | conejoQuick | salu2 |
| 08:10.34 | hemicuda | hi |
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| 08:13.53 | conejoQuick | hi hemicuda |
| 08:13.55 | antjos | hello |
| 08:14.15 | conejoQuick | this channel is in english |
| 08:14.27 | conejoQuick | or spanish |
| 08:14.28 | conejoQuick | ? |
| 08:14.29 | LU7DFV | conejoQuick: Asi es, es en ingles |
| 08:14.41 | Joint | conejoQuick: #debian-es |
| 08:14.42 | LU7DFV | conejoQuick: #debian-es |
| 08:14.44 | conejoQuick | no mames jajajjajaj:D |
| 08:15.01 | conejoQuick | pero no hay pex |
| 08:15.05 | conejoQuick | le entiendo al ingles |
| 08:15.13 | Kraig | conejoQuick: tons no hay problema! |
| 08:15.41 | Kraig | "no era el hombre mas honesto pero el!!" |
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| 08:16.38 | conejoQuick | okas okas |
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| 08:20.20 | Joris | how do I open debian packages with standard tools? |
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| 08:21.49 | LU7DFV | Joris: Use midnight commander... At least it works for me |
| 08:22.26 | jm_ | Joris: open them ? |
| 08:22.39 | Joris | jm_: extract the contents |
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| 08:23.15 | jm_ | Joris: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement |
| 08:23.42 | Joris | thanks :) |
| 08:24.22 | cartman | hmm how do we check package versions with dpkg (channel bot) ? |
| 08:24.28 | cartman | like gcc in experimental |
| 08:24.54 | Joint | gcc --version |
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| 08:25.39 | cartman | no I mean there was a bot command to see package versions in sarge/sid/experimental |
| 08:25.42 | cartman | here |
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| 08:26.19 | LU7DFV | cartman: apt-cache show package |
| 08:26.26 | LU7DFV | oh |
| 08:26.28 | LU7DFV | sorry |
| 08:26.33 | cartman | :) |
| 08:26.37 | LU7DFV | I misunderstood |
| 08:26.45 | cartman | !info gcc experimental |
| 08:26.46 | jm_ | /msg dpkg info <pkg> <stable|testing|unstable|experimental> |
| 08:26.48 | cartman | was that it? |
| 08:26.49 | jm_ | but wait for now |
| 08:26.53 | jm_ | it's updating files |
| 08:27.00 | Joint | but apt-cache search doesnt show the sarge or sid packages |
| 08:27.21 | cartman | jm_: thanks |
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| 08:28.07 | LU7DFV | Of course it show the packages of wich brand have you installed |
| 08:28.37 | cartman | wondering when gcc 3.4.3 will enter sid |
| 08:28.40 | wookey | i want to get a debian install on a 128 flash card, with X and have space for php/apache etc. anyone know of a guide to small, minimal installs of debian |
| 08:28.47 | Joint | yeah i know but it doesnt show the sid or, sarge packages |
| 08:28.49 | jm_ | try "find gcc experimental" instead |
| 08:29.02 | Joint | wookey: yeah tasksel |
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| 08:29.05 | Joint | and pick the packages |
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| 08:32.13 | LU7DFV | I wonder why all people migrated to msn messenger |
| 08:32.22 | LU7DFV | ICQ was abandoned :/ |
| 08:32.33 | LU7DFV | For me icq is better |
| 08:32.56 | pmwilson | i've never used NFS (i jumped straight into using AFS a while back), but now I want to use it for a specific purpose temporarily (1 month). do i use the kernel server? the user space server? is there a debianized way to set it up? |
| 08:33.08 | athlonxp | LU7DFV: IRC is better than MSN |
| 08:33.23 | LU7DFV | athlonxp: Yes |
| 08:33.51 | goodell | LU7DFV: bitlbee? |
| 08:34.02 | rich_ | LU7DFV Yea irc is better or if you really want instant messageing, make it pop up on your desktop when you get mail |
| 08:34.20 | LU7DFV | goodell: What? |
| 08:34.36 | LU7DFV | rich_: Nice idea, but I'm still on dialup |
| 08:34.44 | athlonxp | goodell: harvard ! :D |
| 08:34.51 | LU7DFV | And will be more time I guess |
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| 08:35.23 | Arelius | any one familiar with the workings of 'top'?/ |
| 08:35.33 | pmwilson | actually, i should probably ask... is there something else I should use? I need to make a large disk available to another machine for about a month. both machines are on the Internet, no firewalls, static IP's (i can restrict access to a single IP if that's easy) |
| 08:35.34 | goodell | LU7DFV: it is an interface to various other chat networks that looks like an IRC server that you run on your local host. |
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| 08:35.43 | goodell | athlonxp: what? :) |
| 08:35.46 | cievo | all...hello |
| 08:35.47 | Arelius | or rather if it shows firefox multiple times, all with the same mem usage, what is the usage actually at? |
| 08:36.09 | athlonxp | goodell: very famous and good university ;-) |
| 08:36.09 | cievo | all...Does anyone know how to scroll contain of window in ytalk/talk ? |
| 08:36.22 | Joint | pmwilson: used fsck |
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| 08:36.47 | pmwilson | Joint: what? |
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| 08:37.09 | goodell | athlonxp: oh, yes :) I like to think so. Too bad it doesn't make my job interviews magically go well. |
| 08:37.13 | Joint | to partation the disks |
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| 08:37.50 | pmwilson | Joint: yes, the disk is all nice and partitioned and mounted (its actually a RAID array and can't physically be moved/connected to the other machine at this time |
| 08:37.57 | LU7DFV | pmwilson: Yes, use nfs |
| 08:38.16 | sharko | i am trying to kill some linux partitions, what should i do? |
| 08:38.23 | Joint | so put one as slave and master |
| 08:38.38 | LU7DFV | sharko: cfdisk |
| 08:38.39 | Kraig | kill linux partition? |
| 08:38.39 | cievo | sharko: use screwdriver :) |
| 08:38.47 | Kraig | LU7DFV: heh |
| 08:38.53 | Kraig | cievo: lol |
| 08:39.05 | cievo | all...Does anyone know how to scroll contain of window in ytalk/talk ? |
| 08:39.06 | sharko | LU7DFV: i am using cfdisk but it keeps saying fatal error |
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| 08:39.24 | sharko | what else should i try? |
| 08:39.28 | Kraig | cievo: good question... |
| 08:39.29 | LU7DFV | sharko: What's the problem? |
| 08:39.40 | pmwilson | LU7DFV: know of a 'quick setup' guide? should i use nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server ? NFSv3 or v4? |
| 08:39.43 | sharko | i type cfdisk hdc2 |
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| 08:40.06 | cievo | sharko: try cfdisk /dev/hdc |
| 08:40.08 | sharko | and it says fatal error: cannot open disk drive |
| 08:40.24 | Joint | type space |
| 08:40.28 | Joint | and see the partitions |
| 08:40.31 | cievo | all..good bye |
| 08:40.32 | cievo | exit |
| 08:40.32 | sharko | same thing happening |
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| 08:40.33 | jm_ | pmwilson: read NFS HOWTO |
| 08:40.36 | Kraig | sharko: does /dev/hdc retusn the same? |
| 08:40.52 | LU7DFV | pmwilson: Never used it on production server, only at home, so I apologize for the fine tunning... Setting is easy as configure /etc/exports |
| 08:40.55 | sharko | Kraig: yep |
| 08:41.18 | sharko | i am running knoppix right now |
| 08:41.22 | pmwilson | jm_: i've already been reading it... i just don't know which debian package to use for the server |
| 08:41.27 | Joint | yuck |
| 08:41.32 | sharko | could there be a knoppix feature i have to enable |
| 08:41.37 | jm_ | pmwilson: it might depend on your kernel I think |
| 08:41.41 | Kraig | sharko: hmm... dunno the... what does joining #knoppix return? |
| 08:41.51 | sharko | Kraig: lol |
| 08:41.51 | Kraig | s/the/then |
| 08:41.57 | sharko | Kraig: havent' tried that yet |
| 08:42.08 | rich_ | sharko first step to solving any knoppix problem is installing debian |
| 08:42.26 | Kraig | sharko: could be a good start :P |
| 08:42.32 | sharko | rich_: well its kind of hard when you can't delete partitions or format it so you can install debian |
| 08:42.33 | LU7DFV | sharko: don't waste time no one alive on #knoppix at this hour |
| 08:42.36 | Kraig | rich_: you are so damn right! |
| 08:43.04 | LU7DFV | Bah, personal question... All of you are from United States? |
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| 08:43.19 | Kraig | why all? |
| 08:43.29 | SanXion | oh dear |
| 08:43.34 | Kraig | LU7DFV: Costa Rica around here... |
| 08:43.39 | sharko | see i think its a permissions issue |
| 08:43.45 | SanXion | The Netherlands ;) |
| 08:43.57 | Kraig | sharko: if you are not root i don't think it can work... |
| 08:44.03 | sharko | i am root |
| 08:44.07 | LU7DFV | Je |
| 08:44.11 | LU7DFV | I'm from Argentina |
| 08:44.16 | Kraig | sharko: then, there's something else... :P |
| 08:44.22 | sharko | hrmm... |
| 08:44.31 | Kraig | *kiddin'* |
| 08:44.58 | LU7DFV | sharko: The simplest thing to check first is... |
| 08:45.06 | LU7DFV | sharko: Does /dev/hdc really exist? |
| 08:45.11 | Kraig | sharko: i don't think it's even related to knoppix/debian... |
| 08:45.20 | Kraig | LU7DFV: that's a good start... |
| 08:45.26 | sharko | well i found out the problem |
| 08:45.35 | sharko | i typed the command wrong |
| 08:45.36 | sharko | lol |
| 08:45.49 | Joint | !Lart sharko |
| 08:45.52 | sharko | ID-10T user error |
| 08:46.07 | Kraig | sharko: that use to happen... |
| 08:46.28 | LU7DFV | Many times I've failed to partition a disk because of movements from one ide channel to another I get confused with device names... |
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| 08:46.49 | Kraig | LU7DFV: lol |
| 08:46.51 | LU7DFV | sharko: Well, at least you don't have to lament a broken hd :) |
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| 08:46.54 | sharko | i typed cfdisk /dev/hddc |
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| 08:46.58 | sharko | so that didn't work |
| 08:47.12 | sharko | well thank you all |
| 08:47.15 | sharko | for the help |
| 08:47.17 | sharko | it really helped |
| 08:47.22 | sharko | i'm going to sleep now |
| 08:47.23 | sharko | goodnight |
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| 08:47.30 | Kraig | sharko: nite buddy |
| 08:47.49 | Comrade | hello, does sarge installer contains nvidea drivers for mx440 ? |
| 08:47.51 | Kraig | "somos mitad caballeros!" |
| 08:48.07 | jm_ | XFree86 4.2 and up should support mx440 just fine |
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| 08:48.45 | Kraig | dunno about nvidea... maybe nvidia... |
| 08:49.07 | Comrade | :p |
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| 08:50.19 | xeroig | What does SIYH mean? |
| 08:50.58 | xeroig | dpkg says SIYH. What does it mean? |
| 08:50.59 | dpkg | xeroig: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:51.02 | jm_ | try /msg dpkg siyh |
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| 08:51.12 | amphi | xeroig: neither dict nor wtf know |
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| 08:51.21 | Kraig | yeah... |
| 08:51.24 | rouke | oi |
| 08:51.32 | xeroig | k, got it |
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| 08:51.50 | Kraig | SYN is the nearest think i can think of.. |
| 08:51.59 | LU7DFV | ack! |
| 08:52.02 | LU7DFV | :P |
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| 08:52.14 | Kraig | LU7DFV: lol |
| 08:52.21 | Kraig | LU7DFV: too much of a geek :P |
| 08:52.44 | xeroig | Boycott Linux Today: http://linuxtoday.com/ <--- look at the right hand side. |
| 08:52.44 | LU7DFV | Kraig: Not really |
| 08:52.50 | xeroig | And then read this http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/14804/index.html |
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| 08:53.04 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 08:53.19 | ChristianP | there's a way to save .gif file with the gimp? |
| 08:53.28 | LU7DFV | Hello ChristianP |
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| 08:53.41 | Kraig | ChristianP: like opening it and then hiting save? |
| 08:53.43 | amphi | ChristianP: there's a gif write plugin IIRC |
| 08:53.53 | LU7DFV | ChristianP: I guess there isn't, because of patents |
| 08:53.55 | xeroig | Linux today is carrying anti-linux pro-microsoft propaganda |
| 08:54.01 | amphi | ChristianP: or you could save as png or whatever and use convert |
| 08:54.08 | rich_ | xeroig I never read it until you suggested it, but now that I have, I wont again :) |
| 08:54.08 | amphi | xeroig: what a surprise |
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| 08:54.18 | xeroig | http://linuxtoday.com/ http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/14804/index.html |
| 08:54.24 | kill-9 | hi there how do I make a user change password the first time he logs on? |
| 08:54.42 | Joint | kill-9: passwd |
| 08:54.57 | xeroig | put something in his .bashrc file |
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| 08:55.44 | LU7DFV | It's not really Debian related but |
| 08:55.46 | Kraig | hmmm.... i had that question once... i forgot about the answer... but anyway, i'm waiting for kill-9 answer also... |
| 08:56.04 | xeroig | maybe the passwd command and sed command to remove it after the first time. |
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| 08:56.24 | rich_ | yea something like passwd would ask him every time he logs on until he removes it. Simple. I guess if you wanted to you could make it remove itself, but why not just let the user do it? |
| 08:56.30 | conejoQuick | salu2 bola de macuarros |
| 08:56.44 | LU7DFV | anyone knows if there is a way to boot a Live CD and remove from the CD drive after booting, without installing it? |
| 08:56.52 | Kraig | afaik there's a way to set the time a passwd can be valid... |
| 08:56.56 | kill-9 | there is no way to specify it in the shadow file? |
| 08:56.57 | Kraig | 'so conejoQuick ! |
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| 08:57.22 | Kraig | LU7DFV: like knoppix? |
| 08:57.31 | LU7DFV | Kraig: Yes |
| 08:57.41 | Kraig | conejoQuick: btw, WTF does macuarros means? |
| 08:57.41 | rouke | LUV7DFV, I believe knoppix does that, at least, i could boot it and unmount it afetr it had finished boting |
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| 08:57.53 | rouke | pfa |
| 08:57.54 | rouke | typo's |
| 08:57.58 | rouke | early |
| 08:58.04 | amphi | er, 'typos' |
| 08:58.09 | bullet | is there any decent alternative to gnucash.. I'm trying to run a business using gnucash's A/R system.. and well... its interfaces are cumbersome at best. is there a more robust option if I am mainly worried about invoices and a/r a/p accounts? |
| 08:58.09 | rouke | nm |
| 08:58.10 | rouke | :) |
| 08:58.15 | Kraig | LU7DFV: well... that's a way :P |
| 08:58.20 | LU7DFV | Kraig: Morphix has a specific option "tohd" |
| 08:58.50 | Kraig | LU7DFV: hmm... never saw that before... lemme google :P |
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| 08:59.16 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 279588 |
| 08:59.19 | dpkg | DONE:#279588:G[alsa-base] postinst unconditionally accesses /etc/udev/permissions.d/alsa-base.permissions (patch) |
| 08:59.24 | LU7DFV | Kraig: I think it's impossible. I have sid, but whant to do that in another computer |
| 08:59.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 08:59.39 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or with paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian is NOT Knoppix | GNOME 2.8? /msg dpkg gnome2.8 | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out yet /msg dpkg wwsr (NEW UPDATE)| X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg |
| 08:59.44 | xeroig | kill-9: actually you dont even need sed. a simple head or tail command will do. |
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| 09:00.02 | dondelelcaro | diff: 279588 is done, there's a new -devel-announce post on sarge release. |
| 09:00.09 | dondelelcaro | !wwsr |
| 09:00.09 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when testing-security is online. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20041109.224400.af3fab35.en.html for current info. Ask me about <sarge pool>, wir, siyh. |
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| 09:02.09 | xeroig | !sarge pool |
| 09:02.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, sarge pool is something I say you should ask me about, but I do not know the answer to. Could somebody who knows tell me? |
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| 09:02.19 | xeroig | damn |
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| 09:03.05 | amphi | heh |
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| 09:04.38 | kill-9 | why do you guys think I need sed ? |
| 09:04.57 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: uh... you always need sed. |
| 09:05.39 | dondelelcaro | that's like asking "why do you guys think I need a shell" or "why do you guys think I need ls" |
| 09:05.45 | kill-9 | I just make the user change password as soon |
| 09:05.50 | kill-9 | as he logs in |
| 09:06.06 | kill-9 | and copy the bashrc from /etc/skel |
| 09:06.12 | kill-9 | dondelelcaro: not in general |
| 09:06.14 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 09:06.31 | kill-9 | make the user change password at his next login |
| 09:06.52 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: passwd -e |
| 09:06.54 | xeroig | kill-9: as i said you dont really need sed |
| 09:06.54 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: man passwd |
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| 09:10.42 | kill-9 | I don't have that option |
| 09:11.17 | acetech | in everyones opinion what is the best news reader for newsgroups? |
| 09:11.21 | Kraig | here i'm back again... |
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| 09:11.50 | kill-9 | acetech: slrn |
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| 09:12.19 | xeroig | kill-9: put something like this in their bashrc "passwd && head -n <lines - 1> > .bashrc" |
| 09:12.51 | kill-9 | xeroig: not good cos it doesn't check if it fails |
| 09:13.02 | xeroig | yes it does |
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| 09:13.07 | xeroig | it uses && |
| 09:13.11 | xeroig | not ; |
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| 09:13.25 | ILWA-Webmaster | naamd |
| 09:13.26 | xeroig | at least check man passwd for return values |
| 09:13.39 | xeroig | replace lines - 1 with number of lines in the basrc file - 1 |
| 09:13.42 | ILWA-Webmaster | SeRvUs |
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| 09:14.53 | jeronim | does anyone know of a bug in sid where large blank blocks appear on the screen spontaneously, and sometimes when using apps like konsole? |
| 09:14.56 | Kraig | damn... i'm still wondering what the hell am i doing at 3:15 here... |
| 09:15.01 | jeronim | i can't find anything in the bug tracker |
| 09:15.13 | Kraig | never heard of konsole... |
| 09:15.24 | Kraig | good time to begin apt-cache searching : |
| 09:15.32 | directhex|work | jeronim, sounds like a possible xfree error, or more likely a hardware error |
| 09:15.40 | jeronim | it's a nice terminal app that comes with kde |
| 09:15.41 | kill-9 | xeroig: yes but the user can skip the change |
| 09:15.50 | jm_ | kill-9: man shadow |
| 09:15.52 | Kraig | hmmm... not a KDE guy... |
| 09:16.26 | jeronim | guess i'll have to swap the video card and see what happens |
| 09:16.38 | kill-9 | jm_: Days after which password must be changed ?? after what day? |
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| 09:18.12 | xeroig | kill-9: you want to force the user? |
| 09:18.26 | jm_ | kill-9: read the man page and other man pages it tells you aobut |
| 09:18.28 | jm_ | about |
| 09:18.29 | coywolf | what package is the ip2 package ? |
| 09:18.36 | ILWA-Webmaster | can anybody tell me how to change the screen resolution? i only have 800 x 600 |
| 09:18.49 | kill-9 | xeroig: yes ... a kinda of while ! (/usr/bin/passwd) ; do echo Retry ; done |
| 09:19.14 | freebird | hi, i just finish installing sarge from oct snapshoot.. |
| 09:19.15 | xeroig | kill-9: then threaten them that you make them watch 'nsync dance if they dont change their password |
| 09:19.17 | Kraig | ILWA-Webmaster: see the /etc/X11/XFree86config-4 file |
| 09:19.18 | directhex|work | ILWA-Webmaster, ensure your xf86config-4 file is correctly set up to allow higher resolutions |
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| 09:19.36 | xeroig | kill-9: it always works for me |
| 09:19.44 | freebird | why threis no root password confimation on installation of sarge? |
| 09:20.25 | Joint | freebird: log in as root and then put passwd |
| 09:20.31 | Joint | and create a root passwd |
| 09:20.34 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: if you want to force the user, you set the last changed date to 0 |
| 09:21.21 | dondelelcaro | kill-9: now, I can't remember which version of passwd first brought in this utility, but it may work with the version of shadow in stable. |
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| 09:21.30 | shantanoo | hi! |
| 09:21.38 | coywolf | help |
| 09:21.48 | coywolf | what package is the linux ip2 package ? |
| 09:21.50 | coywolf | help |
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| 09:22.17 | Joint | huh coywolf ? |
| 09:22.18 | freebird | Joint:yeah at least that what i did,i think it's not good in term of security,isn't it? |
| 09:22.21 | Kraig | coywolf: what is ip2? |
| 09:22.36 | LU7DFV | coywolf: find ip2 |
| 09:22.37 | coywolf | Kraig: the command ip |
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| 09:22.52 | Kraig | coywolf: do you mean iproute2? |
| 09:22.56 | LU7DFV | coywolf: ask apt 'find ip2' |
| 09:22.58 | Joint | freebird: well, is your machine, if your not sure just closed the ssh demon and you will be secured |
| 09:22.59 | coywolf | Kraig: y |
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| 09:23.05 | coywolf | LU7DFV: k |
| 09:23.08 | Kraig | coywolf: for ip a l and stuff like that? |
| 09:23.22 | JVaughn | hrm, is sarge or sid newer? |
| 09:23.40 | Joint | sid is old sarge is coming out, |
| 09:23.47 | Shadur | JVaughn: They're both current. |
| 09:24.07 | Shadur | JVaughn: Your question suggests that you missed the entire point of sid. And possibly of sarge as well. |
| 09:24.07 | JVaughn | just curious |
| 09:24.17 | dondelelcaro | Joint: uh, no. |
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| 09:24.35 | JVaughn | well... i understand the point... i just don't understand which is hich using (testing, and unstable) |
| 09:24.36 | Joint | oh |
| 09:24.40 | JVaughn | to me that sounds like the same :) |
| 09:24.44 | Joint | unstable is sid |
| 09:25.09 | Kraig | "si sientes que el miedo se pega a tu piel!!" |
| 09:26.03 | PerfDave | JVaughn: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 09:26.19 | freebird | Joint:yeah of of course, as well as i can lock down my net connection;)but leaving root with default pass is empty is it a good idea?i mean event there is no confirmation to set the passwd after that |
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| 09:27.02 | Kraig | hmm.... i think i am understanding what's going on... |
| 09:27.14 | Kraig | but i prefer to play quake or see some porno, brb |
| 09:27.32 | Kraig | :P |
| 09:27.42 | PerfDave | freebird: Uhm, Sarge prompts for a root password when you install it. If it didn't for you, then there's a bug. |
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| 09:28.05 | Joint | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:29.07 | kill-9 | dondelelcaro: it works thank z |
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| 09:30.08 | freebird | PerfDave:uhm well i'm not sure i'm using sarge week 2th Oct snapshoot.let me try it again.. |
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