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| 00:00.24 | guestish | dondelelcaro: sounds nasty |
| 00:00.33 | guestish | dondelelcaro: 93% |
| 00:00.55 | guestish | dondelelcaro: im glad i dont have to compile this monstrosity... |
| 00:00.57 | dondelelcaro | guestish: usually it happens because it's trying to dereference a null pointer or similar. |
| 00:01.07 | *** part/#debian fusion (~kev@60-234-130-137.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 00:01.16 | guestish | dondelelcaro: that has no meaning to me, but ill take your word for it that its bad |
| 00:01.21 | shwag | anyone know of any articles or charts that show mysql performance per processor machine specs ? |
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| 00:01.47 | guestish | dondelelcaro: installing, i selected xserver-xfree86-dbg as the default server |
| 00:02.26 | dondelelcaro | shwag: any such chart would be largely useless. |
| 00:02.27 | eddyp | kon: mkpasswd -Hmd5 returns always the available algorithms |
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| 00:03.07 | eddyp | kon: how can I give it my password as input? |
| 00:03.13 | shwag | dondelelcaro, why? |
| 00:03.16 | guestish | dondelelcaro: free(): invalid pointer 0x86079c0! |
| 00:03.21 | MrPoopyPants | ok im setting up a dual boot system. Im sorry to share my p4ht box with windoze but I need it for audio apps and games. Wish me luck! -knoppix has a super nice ntfs resizing tool that works great |
| 00:03.23 | doublehp | how do I ask about java and mozilla to dpkg ? |
| 00:03.23 | dondelelcaro | guestish: heh. there you go. |
| 00:03.27 | kon | eddyp: mkpasswd -Hmd5 yourpass |
| 00:03.31 | kon | returns a string |
| 00:03.35 | kon | thats the md5 hash |
| 00:03.38 | guestish | dondelelcaro: yeah.. |
| 00:03.41 | guestish | dondelelcaro: so what now? |
| 00:03.47 | dondelelcaro | guestish: run gdb on the coredump, with bt full; and use reportbug to file a bug against X. |
| 00:03.49 | guestish | dondelelcaro: btw, even though X crashed its still running |
| 00:03.53 | deadcat | Covener: ? |
| 00:03.54 | eddyp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.56 | eddyp | Available algorithms: |
| 00:03.57 | eddyp | des standard 56 bit DES-based crypt(3) |
| 00:03.59 | eddyp | md5 MD5 |
| 00:03.59 | guestish | dondelelcaro: bt full? |
| 00:04.07 | dondelelcaro | guestish: full backtrace. |
| 00:04.13 | eddyp | kon: this is all I get |
| 00:04.33 | kon | eddyp what about mkpasswd --help, check the syntax then |
| 00:04.35 | MrPoopyPants | gentoo definitely doesnt give enough of a performance increase over debian to wait all that time for everything to compile |
| 00:04.36 | kon | it works fine here |
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| 00:05.04 | guestish | dondelelcaro: ok, wheres the coredump stored? |
| 00:05.05 | MrPoopyPants | now that I know how to compile my own kernel, all my hardware is supported |
| 00:05.15 | kon | eddyp: try mkpasswd --hash=md5 |
| 00:05.33 | dondelelcaro | shwag: the primariy reason being that there are nearly infinite combinations of processor, motherboard, memory, drive controller, drives, operating system, filesystem, and mysql version. |
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| 00:05.51 | eddyp | kon: -H didn't work.... I wonder why... |
| 00:06.03 | dondelelcaro | shwag: not to mention the fact that it is highly dependent on exactly what the database itself is doing. |
| 00:06.25 | kon | i dont know, probably not supported by that version, only long options |
| 00:06.29 | guestish | where are coredumps located? |
| 00:06.30 | dondelelcaro | shwag: your best bet is to figure out about how much machine you're going to need, get a demo unit, benchmark it, and then go from there. |
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| 00:06.35 | guestish | or i guess X'es corefump in this case |
| 00:06.42 | dondelelcaro | guestish: the cwd of the process, typically. |
| 00:06.58 | eddyp | kon: shouldn't the hash be the same for the same input? |
| 00:07.00 | guestish | dondelelcaro: its just called coredump? |
| 00:07.02 | dondelelcaro | guestish: X should have died though, if that's what is actually crashing. |
| 00:07.05 | dondelelcaro | guestish: no, it's called core |
| 00:07.21 | kon | eddyp: only if you specify the same --salt everytime |
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| 00:07.32 | kon | eddyp: otherwise the hashes may differ |
| 00:07.39 | leOn | howdy |
| 00:08.12 | eddyp | kon: so what is the salt php function md5 is using? |
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| 00:08.32 | guestish | dondelelcaro: nothing there.. |
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| 00:08.44 | kon | eddyp: salt is only needed for encryption, but not for decryption. or why do you ask? |
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| 00:09.15 | dondelelcaro | guestish: did X actually die? |
| 00:09.20 | sunai | group, passwd and shadow files all have a copy with a trailing dash - what are those for? |
| 00:09.24 | guestish | dondelelcaro: no, just crashed |
| 00:09.24 | eddyp | kon: I need to change a password in a phpbb2 forum mysql database |
| 00:09.30 | guestish | dondelelcaro: weird eh? |
| 00:09.34 | dondelelcaro | guestish: what do you mean by "crashed" |
| 00:09.45 | guestish | dondelelcaro: X dies, but still runs |
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| 00:09.49 | kon | eddyp: then you dont have to specify a salt, i.e. let mkpasswd choose a random slat |
| 00:09.49 | d0ugie_ | can I install deb on a HD, put it in another box and expect it to run without freaking out that much? |
| 00:09.52 | stonie_ | For runlevels 0-6, it just says "INIT: no more processes left in the runlevel" and hangs. |
| 00:09.56 | dondelelcaro | guestish: that makes no sense. |
| 00:10.03 | guestish | dondelelcaro: the process runs, but everything about it freezes and the actual X interface is gone |
| 00:10.05 | kon | then insert that md5 hash string into your db |
| 00:10.11 | kon | and replace the old one |
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| 00:10.20 | guestish | dondelelcaro: so say im running dvdrip, the X interface dies and dvdrip runs, but doesnt do anything |
| 00:10.26 | guestish | dondelelcaro: and everything else X related still runs |
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| 00:10.33 | kon | eddyp: it doesnt matter where you encrypt a pass with salt x or y, everything will match the password |
| 00:10.45 | guestish | dondelelcaro: its the most bizzare thing |
| 00:10.45 | kon | s/where/whether |
| 00:10.46 | dondelelcaro | guestish: oh. send the process a sigquit then |
| 00:10.54 | leOn | you guys are so rude ... |
| 00:10.55 | jvw | eddyp: in /usr/share/doc/phpbb2, you'll find an example md5sum where the password is admin |
| 00:11.04 | jvw | kon: phpbb doesn't use salt |
| 00:11.06 | eddyp | kon: if( md5($password) == $row['user_password'] && $row['user_active'] ) |
| 00:11.06 | d0ugie_ | le0n: you have no idea ;) |
| 00:11.07 | leOn | i came in ... said hi and not one response... |
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| 00:11.16 | eddyp | jvw: if( md5($password) == $row['user_password'] && $row['user_active'] ) |
| 00:11.21 | jvw | eddyp: I know |
| 00:11.23 | guestish | dondelelcaro: i just killed it..=\ |
| 00:11.26 | harryvetc | anyone seen where grub was loading and got a error 17 before? |
| 00:11.27 | guestish | dondelelcaro: and now it wont crash anymore |
| 00:11.27 | jvw | eddyp: just insert that |
| 00:11.45 | d0ugie_ | leOn: how may we be of service? |
| 00:11.50 | eddyp | kon: jvw , I have nothing to loose, I guess |
| 00:11.54 | guestish | dondelelcaro: but the fonts are still messed up |
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| 00:12.11 | dondelelcaro | guestish: the fonts being messed up is a totally separate problem then. |
| 00:12.14 | jvw | eddyp: if all else fails, just temporarily disable the password checking logic |
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| 00:12.40 | guestish | dondelelcaro: k |
| 00:12.44 | leOn | d0ugie_: well .. i've always dreamed to be popular you know ... 31337 |
| 00:12.46 | guestish | dondelelcaro: any ideas on what to do with it? |
| 00:13.03 | dondelelcaro | guestish: get a screen shot and stick it up somewhere... |
| 00:13.09 | guestish_ | dondelelcaro: k, sec |
| 00:13.13 | leOn | ops ... bottle time |
| 00:13.15 | leOn | brb |
| 00:13.31 | d0ugie_ | leOn: ok.. the first step is to idle in here 24/7.. if someone asks "how can i get X to do Y" you answer "man X" |
| 00:13.44 | Brutus | Well, being as this is the only channel I know on freenode, anyone got any idea where I can ask some hardware questions, specifically looking for a recommendation on a case :) |
| 00:13.50 | d0ugie_ | or "rftm and stfu" |
| 00:14.08 | peterrooney | Brutus: /list should do the trick |
| 00:14.09 | dondelelcaro | Brutus: there is #hardware... |
| 00:14.20 | Brutus | Hardware has like 20 people in it |
| 00:14.29 | Brutus | 10, actually. |
| 00:14.37 | dondelelcaro | Brutus: yeah, that's not unusual. |
| 00:14.48 | dondelelcaro | Brutus: just ask your question there, and wait for an answer. |
| 00:15.08 | shwag | dondelelcaro, by your explanation...it would be impossible to benchmark any program because of the nearly infinite combinations of blah blah blah. |
| 00:15.11 | Brutus | Just did, but like, aren't there any other decent places? |
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| 00:15.28 | dondelelcaro | Brutus: sure, but I'm not aware of any on this network. |
| 00:15.38 | Brutus | dondelelcaro, may I pm'/ |
| 00:15.46 | jvw | leOn: fwiw, if you're serious about that 'popular' bit, you're sick |
| 00:15.53 | Brutus | Question mark^ |
| 00:16.04 | tweek_ | likely usenet comp. group for hardware |
| 00:16.07 | Brutus | jvw, bob2 is popular :) |
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| 00:16.13 | dondelelcaro | shwag: uh, no. That's not what I said at all. What I said is that the specific set of benchmarks that you are asking for is totally useless. |
| 00:16.34 | dondelelcaro | Brutus: sure, go ahead. |
| 00:16.38 | guestish_ | dondelelcaro: http://www.sonic.net/~jacobvi/screenshot.png |
| 00:16.51 | d0ugie_ | bob2 has brought me to the promised land like a dozen times at least |
| 00:16.55 | jvw | Brutus: depends on your metric of 'popular' I guess... |
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| 00:16.59 | mejo | hello |
| 00:17.10 | mejo | i just installed user-mode-linux, uml-utilities and rootstrap. |
| 00:17.18 | dondelelcaro | guestish_: hrm... that's pretty interesting. |
| 00:17.39 | dondelelcaro | guestish_: I really don't know what could be causing that. |
| 00:17.41 | guestish_ | dondelelcaro: i guess, it changes patterns from time to time |
| 00:17.46 | mejo | i read that i need a root fs for booting the uml kernel, and that rootstrap is what i need to create a debian root fs. |
| 00:17.59 | guestish_ | dondelelcaro: well any ideas on what steps to take? like if to file a bug report or anything like that? |
| 00:18.00 | mejo | is there any documentation about how to do this exactly? |
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| 00:18.16 | shwag | dondelelcaro, why would mysql benchmarks be so much different then any other type of benchmark? |
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| 00:18.48 | shwag | dondelelcaro, you can play doom3 on all kinds of hardware, but that doesnt make benchmarks useless. apache can have all kinds of setups, but that doesnt make benchmarks useless. In fact, it shows how things scale. |
| 00:18.54 | mejo | after studying rootstrap(1), i tried 'rootstrap host_fs', but it failed at Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. |
| 00:18.54 | guestish_ | dondelelcaro: i'm stumped... |
| 00:19.05 | dondelelcaro | guestish_: I'd first see if downgrading to whatever versions of font related packages cleans up the problem... |
| 00:19.08 | tvn | anyone uses Matlab on Linux ? it's terrible slow comparing to running on Windows |
| 00:19.17 | guestish_ | dondelelcaro: you mean like defoma? |
| 00:19.24 | shwag | dondelelcaro, a benchmark wont tell you the exact performance that you will get, because some variables change, but that wasn't what a benchmark was suppose to do anyways. |
| 00:19.24 | dondelelcaro | shwag: doom3 only uses a few parts of the system. your memory, your cpu, and your video card. |
| 00:19.34 | leOn | jvw: that's what i'm talking about! ... those achronims ... FWIW ... people read it and think "wtf is that?", but since it's 1337 stuff noone asks what it really means, cause if they don't know they aren't 1337... now THAT is 1337! |
| 00:19.54 | shwag | dondelelcaro, 3 variables...and all kinds of different values in those variables. obviously impossible to you. |
| 00:19.56 | pipeline | shwag: Well, Apache is an unusual case. There's no accepted way to benchmark it, and nothing to compare it to. i.e. there are no apache-compatible modular webservers. |
| 00:20.01 | Sturzflut | tvn: there's a native Linux port? |
| 00:20.02 | guestish | dondelelcaro: lol...running dfontmgr crashed X |
| 00:20.04 | dondelelcaro | shwag: no one who publishes serious benchmarks attempts to test all of those things at once. They test them separately, and only then can they come to a conclusion abnout anything. |
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| 00:20.14 | Mikey` | anyone use sidekick pda/phone? |
| 00:20.15 | guestish | dondelelcaro: how do i send a sigquit1? |
| 00:20.30 | jvw | leOn: well, '1337' people end up on my /ignore list pretty fast |
| 00:20.33 | dondelelcaro | guestish: with kill. |
| 00:20.40 | tvn | Sturzflut: yes, there is official Linux version from Mathworks - |
| 00:20.47 | deadcat | Covener: ? |
| 00:20.50 | shwag | dondelelcaro, seem to me a benchmark of any 486 vs a benchmark of a Pentium4 would shows a scale pretty well. |
| 00:20.51 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: Don't forget the proprietary GL libraries that are carefully tweaked to detect then distort popular graphics benchmarks. |
| 00:20.57 | guestish | dondelelcaro: k |
| 00:21.00 | pipeline | shwag: You'll note that SPEC, for example, uses open source benchmarks. |
| 00:21.01 | Covener | deadcat: why are you bothering w/ the dns server in the middle? |
| 00:21.04 | shwag | dondelelcaro, load them up with about the same amoutn of memory and all. |
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| 00:21.20 | guestish | dondelelcaro: still doesnt do a coredump and there was no error message at all this time |
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| 00:21.25 | dondelelcaro | guestish: hrm... |
| 00:21.29 | leOn | jvw: let me write this stuff down ... it's good material! |
| 00:21.37 | guestish | dondelelcaro: man my system is borked.. |
| 00:21.46 | deadcat | Covener: because theres NO internet on the wireless network and i want user to be redirected to my webserver when they type http://google.com or what ever into their browser |
| 00:22.31 | guestish | dondelelcaro: hah...dfontmgr decided to run, and its written in gtk1...so lucky me, cant even see any settings |
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| 00:23.19 | Sturzflut | tvn: what system are you running it on? |
| 00:23.28 | tvn | Sturzflut: hardware specs ? |
| 00:23.31 | Sturzflut | yeah |
| 00:23.35 | shwag | what is the best fax modem i can buy for linux ? |
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| 00:23.39 | tvn | Pentium 4 , 2.4 Ghz with 512 Mb Ram |
| 00:23.41 | dondelelcaro | guestish: hrm... maybe try reinstalling libgtk1.2 |
| 00:23.47 | Morydd | alsa cannot seem to find my sound card after upgrading from 2.6.3 to 2.6.9 |
| 00:23.50 | leOn | jvw: nevermind me, i'm just teasing =) |
| 00:23.52 | dondelelcaro | shwag: any real fax modem will work. |
| 00:23.55 | Morydd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.57 | Sturzflut | tvn: and by slow, what kind of % slowdown are you talking about? |
| 00:24.03 | guestish | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 00:24.07 | d0ugie_ | Morydd: if you're interested in sound, you should not be running Debian. |
| 00:24.17 | d0ugie_ | :) |
| 00:24.29 | tvn | Sturzflut: infinity so far ... The same piece of code I wrote takes about 10 minutes to run on Windows , it has been running over an hour on Linux |
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| 00:24.31 | stew | Morydd: which driver are you using? |
| 00:24.36 | Morydd | It's worked fine for me before. |
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| 00:25.04 | Morydd | stew: emu10k1 |
| 00:25.04 | Sturzflut | tvn: wow, that's terrible. if you have a licence for it you should harrass the mathworks people :) |
| 00:25.07 | guestish | dondelelcaro: i hope that owrks |
| 00:25.09 | guestish | dondelelcaro: works even |
| 00:25.17 | stew | Morydd: snd_emu10k1? |
| 00:25.32 | dondelelcaro | shwag: as far as your benchmarks go, of course you'll see a difference between a 486 and a p4. But that's not going to give you any usefull information about how a specific p4 setup is going to compare against another p4. It's not even going to tell you what the most important component of the system is, either. |
| 00:25.37 | Morydd | stew: yes. |
| 00:25.48 | stew | Morydd: its modprobed? or compiled in? |
| 00:26.01 | tvn | Sturzflut: I do |
| 00:26.09 | Morydd | modprobe |
| 00:26.21 | tvn | Sturzflut: I just wonder if anyone experiences the same - |
| 00:26.36 | Spartak | hi, under the sent folder of my IMP/horde2 web mail imap dir is it possible to sort by sent to: insead of from: since i know i sent it im looking for who i sent it to? |
| 00:26.39 | Morydd | I can paste lsmod to #flood if you'd like. |
| 00:26.45 | shwag | dondelelcaro, ya...i just want to get some basic numbers on what type of load my server can handle. I have no idea if my server would handle 100/basic queries per second or 20,000 |
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| 00:26.54 | guestish | dondelelcaro: no such luck |
| 00:26.58 | dondelelcaro | shwag: so do the benchmarks on your server! |
| 00:27.24 | dondelelcaro | guestish: hrm. I really don't know then. |
| 00:27.27 | shwag | dondelelcaro, yah, i guess i just do some sql statements, loop them a few thoasand times, and time it. |
| 00:27.48 | guestish | dondelelcaro: want me to dcc you a strace? |
| 00:27.54 | dondelelcaro | shwag: I mean, there are quite a few tools for figuring out which queries are fast, which are slow, and about how many you can run... |
| 00:28.03 | stew | Morydd: i can take you word on it. anything intersting show up in /var/log/messages when you modprobe it? |
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| 00:28.13 | dondelelcaro | guestish: you can use the paster thingie... |
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| 00:28.21 | guestish | dondelelcaro: its quite long |
| 00:28.23 | eddyp | kon: jvw, it didn't worked |
| 00:28.25 | dondelelcaro | guestish: I'm going to be away for a bit though... |
| 00:28.28 | Guerin | strace output always is |
| 00:28.30 | guestish | dondelelcaro: oh...ok |
| 00:28.32 | guestish | Guerin: yeah... |
| 00:28.40 | guestish | ill use pastebin |
| 00:28.45 | Guerin | typically, the most relevant bit i the last 50 lines or so |
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| 00:28.47 | guestish | Guerin: you have any ideas? |
| 00:28.48 | GuinnessLuva | abrotman: Hey :) |
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| 00:28.55 | shwag | dondelelcaro, anything easier than making my own script to time it ? |
| 00:28.58 | guestish | Guerin: well the program runs, so i doubt it |
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| 00:29.15 | Guerin | i have plenty of ideas, guestish, but I have none about your problem since I don't know what it is. |
| 00:29.32 | xam | dondelelcaro: btw, I was right, SIGBUS is 10 ;) see /usr/include/asm/signal.h (linux headers), or /usr/include/bits/signum.h (libc headers), or simply 'kill -l' ... and all are - of course - consistent |
| 00:29.36 | Guerin | right now my idea is to listen to johnny cash and try not to go back to sleep |
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| 00:29.45 | Sturzflut | tvn: I'd like to find out too, right now I use Matlab on Windows |
| 00:29.49 | guestish | Guerin: give me a sec |
| 00:29.52 | GuinnessLuva | abrotman: the sarge upgrade went well. I just rebooted at the end and it came right up! never had to do anything about initrc |
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| 00:30.05 | niclas5 | is there a runlevel editor for debian which works in console? i need a tool to sort the startup and shutdown scripts... and it should be easier to use than webmin, where i have to edit each service in a separate window. |
| 00:30.18 | jvw | wtf... shift+some of my letters don't work anymore... ABCDEfGhIJkLMNoPqRSTUVWXYZ |
| 00:30.21 | Guerin | niclas5: sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf |
| 00:30.23 | xam | !win xam |
| 00:30.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, xam! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 00:30.28 | guestish_ | Guerin: whenever i run a program with gtk1 widgets text similar to this appears: http://www.sonic.net/~jacobvi/screenshot.png |
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| 00:30.32 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: more room for badgers |
| 00:30.56 | kon | jvw: that is really weird |
| 00:31.09 | jvw | eddyp: anyway, eh, it's really easy, and you've been given quite some pointers, with which you really should be able to solve it, I'm sorry |
| 00:31.12 | xam | scarynetworkguy: well, the earth is over-populated ... |
| 00:31.17 | tvn | Sturzflut: I noticed on Windows, when running Matlab code, it takes all the CPU power and every other tasks become unresponsive till the code is done. On Linux , even though top says Matlab takes most the CPU power but all other tasks are still very responsive. But that doesn't explain the huge diff in performance. |
| 00:31.24 | jvw | kon: I wanted to type sql, but it came out as SL |
| 00:31.28 | guestish_ | Guerin: mind taking a quick look? |
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| 00:31.37 | jvw | kon: with caps-lock, it does work |
| 00:31.44 | eddyp | jvw: I am trying now to disable the auth mech... |
| 00:31.54 | Guerin | guestish_: hrm, I can't. My fucking isp have fucked my http up again |
| 00:31.56 | niclas5 | wowo, that's cool, thank you |
| 00:32.02 | SerajewelKS | can i have the kernel mount my thumb drive as soon as i plug it in? |
| 00:32.02 | guestish_ | Guerin: oh =\ |
| 00:32.07 | guestish_ | Guerin: well can i dcc you it? |
| 00:32.14 | niclas5 | Guerin: thanx |
| 00:32.18 | Guerin | and if I read the hangul correctly, they want me to use internet explorer 5.0 or greater... |
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| 00:32.24 | guestish_ | Guerin: o_O |
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| 00:32.30 | kon | jvm: probably your keyboard is defective =) |
| 00:32.33 | Guerin | guestish_: no, becuase I don't open myelf up to dcc |
| 00:32.36 | guestish_ | http://www.pastebin.com/118749 <--- if anyone wants to look |
| 00:32.40 | guestish_ | Guerin: ok...how about ftp? |
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| 00:32.46 | jvw | kon: no, since without shift, those letters Do work |
| 00:32.52 | Guerin | guestish_: gimme a moment, I'll troubleshoot for a bit then I'll just set squid up again |
| 00:32.56 | Guerin | yeah ftp should be ok |
| 00:32.57 | jvw | (gar, the capital-o is also broken) |
| 00:32.59 | Bu5H | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 00:33.09 | guestish_ | Guerin: k |
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| 00:33.24 | guestish_ | Guerin: pastebin truncated it anyways |
| 00:33.54 | kon | hm weird, but shift is somehow connected to the other keys, or do you think its software related? |
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| 00:34.15 | guestish_ | Guerin: mind if PM you the link? |
| 00:34.17 | SerajewelKS | Bu5H, i've looked at autofs, but can't get it to work |
| 00:34.23 | jvw | kon: I think so |
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| 00:34.36 | jvw | kon: with my other shift, ofter keys are broken |
| 00:34.37 | apfel | How is it possible to calculate the nth (n>2) root with bc or a similar program? |
| 00:34.53 | kon | oh i c |
| 00:34.55 | gilles | how to install java on debian (or java jre ??) |
| 00:34.56 | kon | yeah |
| 00:34.59 | xam | SerajewelKS: autofs is broken in testing, use the one in stable |
| 00:35.00 | SerajewelKS | apfel, perl -le 'print 12345^(1/n)' =D |
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| 00:35.16 | kenboo | SerajewelKS, did you actually access a file in the thumb drive? |
| 00:35.24 | tweek_ | PDL will work for math work |
| 00:35.37 | SerajewelKS | kenboo, i don't even know how to tell autofs about my thumb drive |
| 00:35.54 | kenboo | uh |
| 00:35.57 | SerajewelKS | this is one of those things that windows does better IMHO... stick a drive in, it gets a drive letter |
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| 00:36.01 | jvw | hm, console has the same keys broken... |
| 00:36.36 | Guerin | hrm, working now |
| 00:36.43 | saik0 | why would linux boot with my / partition in read only mode? I fscked it and it's clean |
| 00:36.52 | guestish_ | Guerin: can i just pm the link to the full file? |
| 00:36.54 | apfel | SerajewelKS: you mean perl -le 'print 12345 ** (1/n)' ? |
| 00:36.55 | Guerin | yeah, sshure |
| 00:37.00 | Guerin | man |
| 00:37.05 | Guerin | that's fucked |
| 00:37.07 | guestish_ | heh |
| 00:37.12 | SerajewelKS | apfel, yeah, sorry |
| 00:37.34 | apfel | SerajewelKS: well, perl is not what I would call a similar program to bc but it works. ;) thanks |
| 00:37.46 | Guerin | just installed user agent switcher, bounced my browser, and it works fine... yet I didn't actually cchange user agents and it's still showing as firefox |
| 00:37.48 | Bu5H | gilles: apt-get install j2re1.4 |
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| 00:37.59 | guestish_ | Guerin: weird |
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| 00:38.31 | guestish_ | Guerin: at least it works ;) |
| 00:38.32 | SerajewelKS | apfel, yeah i use perl for calculations =) |
| 00:38.36 | Guerin | guestish_: so what problem are we talking about here? |
| 00:38.52 | Bu5H | SerajewelKS: does this help - http://www.buberel.org/linux/usb-automounter.php |
| 00:38.55 | Guerin | and I should warn you that strace output is nothing but random garbage to me |
| 00:39.20 | MajorPoopyPants | I have a computer with hyperthreading. I am compiling a new kernel and I see theres now an SMT option in the kernel - do I need to turn on SMP support if I want to use SMT support? |
| 00:39.21 | SerajewelKS | Bu5H, i'll take a look, thanks |
| 00:39.27 | guestish_ | Guerin: there are 2 parts: 1) when running any gtk1 app it randomly crashes X (but the server still runs in the background) and 2) i get fonts like you see in that picture for any gtk1 app |
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| 00:39.31 | guestish_ | Guerin: yeah..me too |
| 00:39.37 | GuinnessLuva | has anyone got an opinion on whats the best irc client? |
| 00:39.39 | MajorPoopyPants | I apologize =- yes I do! |
| 00:39.55 | Bu5H | GuinnessLuva: irssi + screen = IRC sex |
| 00:39.55 | SerajewelKS | GuinnessLuva, i use xchat |
| 00:39.57 | budluva | anyone know why i cant use psaux or /dev/input/mice for xserver? |
| 00:39.59 | gilles | Bu5H: no it doesn't work |
| 00:40.10 | budluva | im havin problems getting my mouse to work with xserver |
| 00:40.19 | Bu5H | oh. i think you need to find another apt source |
| 00:40.30 | Bu5H | not sure if the j2re fits into debian's weird licensing crap |
| 00:40.34 | GuinnessLuva | budluva: you using /dev/psaux? |
| 00:40.35 | gilles | Bu5H: i think so |
| 00:40.41 | Bu5H | one sec |
| 00:40.46 | budluva | GuinnessLuva ya, and it doesnt load |
| 00:40.51 | guestish_ | Guerin: http://www.sonic.net/~jacobvi/screenshot.png theres the image link if you need it again |
| 00:40.58 | Guerin | yeah, I got it now |
| 00:41.00 | budluva | i get some big long error in my XFree82.0.log |
| 00:41.00 | Guerin | sorry |
| 00:41.03 | saik0 | gilles: I think j2re1.4 is unstable |
| 00:41.03 | Guerin | braindead |
| 00:41.09 | guestish_ | k |
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| 00:41.16 | GuinnessLuva | how is your inputdevice for your mouse define? |
| 00:41.18 | gilles | saik0: but i need it |
| 00:41.24 | guestish_ | Guerin: if you have any ideas it'll be be alive enough for me :) |
| 00:41.32 | budluva | GuinnessLuva eh? |
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| 00:41.36 | Bu5H | gilles: deb http://www.tux.org/pub/java/debian sid main non-free |
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| 00:41.40 | Bu5H | put that in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:41.49 | MajorPoopyPants | can anyone tell me what kernel irq balancing is and if i want to do it? is that ACPI? |
| 00:42.02 | Bu5H | then apt-get update && apt-get install j2re1.4 |
| 00:42.07 | gilles | Bu5H: it won't upgrade all my deian into sid, will it ? |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | GuinnessLuva: you mean initrd? |
| 00:42.13 | MajorPoopyPants | sorry irq load balancing |
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| 00:42.19 | gilles | Bu5H: debian |
| 00:42.21 | Guerin | guestish_: the only thing that looks remotely like an error to my eye is lstat64("/var/lib/defoma/locked", 0x814c0c8) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:42.24 | Bu5H | no gilles, thats just the source for the VM afaik |
| 00:42.30 | comet45 | my woody-server updated passwd and login with apt-get dist-upgrade today. should i be concerned? |
| 00:42.30 | Guerin | whiuch repeats many times |
| 00:42.30 | GuinnessLuva | abrotman: yep, it's working fine, just tryin to get sound running now |
| 00:42.37 | guestish_ | Guerin: should i make that file? |
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| 00:42.41 | abrotman | GuinnessLuva: modconf .. find es1371 |
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| 00:42.56 | GuinnessLuva | and I don't seem to have an irc loaded so I trying to decide which one I want |
| 00:42.58 | Guerin | guestish_: I don't know. Do you allow defoma to manage your fonts? |
| 00:43.06 | guestish_ | Guerin: i would like it to |
| 00:43.10 | abrotman | GuinnessLuva: gui or cli? |
| 00:43.12 | guestish_ | Guerin: so i think so ,heh |
| 00:43.14 | Bu5H | GuinnessLuva: i like irssi because i can screen it from anywhere... but thats just me |
| 00:43.16 | Guerin | guestish_: dpkg-reconfigure it, then |
| 00:43.38 | guestish_ | Guerin: i did dpkg-reconfigure defoma, nothing happened |
| 00:43.41 | bsims | anyone know why mozgest isn't working with firefox rc1? it shows up correctly it just refuses to actually ya know. /work/ |
| 00:43.45 | MajorPoopyPants | :(( |
| 00:43.47 | Bu5H | MajorPoopyPants: irq balancing != acpi |
| 00:43.59 | GuinnessLuva | budluva: have you got the line 'option "CorePointer"' in your inputdevice ? |
| 00:44.00 | Guerin | guestish_: there's also: ioctl(6, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbffff490) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) |
| 00:44.02 | Guerin | _llseek(6, 0, [0], SEEK_CUR) = 0 |
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| 00:44.10 | MajorPoopyPants | Bu5H thanks |
| 00:44.24 | guestish_ | Guerin: whats that mean? |
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| 00:44.25 | Bu5H | MajorPoopyPants: any questions about what something is in your kernel config can be answered by pressing '?' |
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| 00:44.26 | GuinnessLuva | abrotman: doesn't matter |
| 00:44.42 | abrotman | GuinnessLuva: irssi or xchat |
| 00:44.49 | GuinnessLuva | I'm tryin to peruse apt to see what I have available |
| 00:44.49 | abrotman | GuinnessLuva: did you get sound working yet? |
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| 00:44.57 | abrotman | !tell GuinnessLuva about sound |
| 00:44.58 | GuinnessLuva | I think I have both of those |
| 00:45.16 | Guerin | guestish_: no idea. Looking a bit further up, it does look like defoma is managing your fonts; there's a whole bigass list of them |
| 00:45.27 | guestish_ | Guerin: heh |
| 00:45.39 | guestish_ | Guerin: i kinda installed a few...=D |
| 00:45.50 | jvw | kon: heh, problem solved |
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| 00:46.04 | guestish_ | Guerin: shouldnt break anything though, right? |
| 00:46.09 | GuinnessLuva | I have a delima on the sound, I need to wait until my wife quits playing games on the pc beside me so I can get in behind and monkey with the plug |
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| 00:46.22 | Guerin | guestish_: naw, installing fonts is pretty benign. |
| 00:46.25 | jvw | kon: it was a weird hardware issue -- a pile of paper was suddenly leaning on my pause/break key... and with that key pressed in, some letters in combination with shift stop working |
| 00:46.25 | abrotman | GuinnessLuva: that's between you and your wife |
| 00:46.30 | Bu5H | heh |
| 00:46.59 | Bu5H | just put the words 'get in behind' and 'plug' into a sentence and she wont bother you for days. |
| 00:47.01 | Guerin | there are a lot of other lines with No such file or dir, too ... themes, icons, etc. Grep the file for "-1 ENOENT" and you'll see what I mean |
| 00:47.08 | kon | jvw: heh :) |
| 00:47.10 | jvw | kon: that's it -- I really need to clean up my desk :) |
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| 00:47.50 | kon | :D |
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| 00:48.08 | brian | I am trying to make it so that firefox in /opt/firefox/ runs when i type firefox into bash... someone was telling me that i need to link the file, but i'm not sure how |
| 00:48.44 | GuinnessLuva | hehe, it's no problem, she would move if i asked her to but why trouble her, she's happy |
| 00:48.44 | dumbhead | brian: ln -s /opt/firefox/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefox |
| 00:48.46 | budluva | how do i get my ps2 mouse to work with xserver? |
| 00:48.48 | Guerin | brian: as root; ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefox |
| 00:48.50 | dumbhead | if the path is correct |
| 00:48.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:48.56 | budluva | x wont run because it could load my mouse |
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| 00:49.03 | brian | Guerin, Thanks! |
| 00:49.26 | budluva | and i've tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and reconfigured using /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice and both dont work |
| 00:49.29 | Bu5H | budluva: wheres it looking for your mouse in your xconfig? |
| 00:49.35 | Guerin | brian: or you can use the handy firefox.pl script I got from someone on irc.mozilla.org which does auto-open-in-new-tab (remote) etc... |
| 00:49.42 | sussudio | iwasonceatreehouseilivedinacake |
| 00:49.48 | pwned | budluva, oh I just got over that problem |
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| 00:50.04 | budluva | Bu5H /dev/input/mic |
| 00:50.06 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/firefox.txt |
| 00:50.08 | budluva | Bu5H /dev/input/mice |
| 00:50.12 | pwned | I installed this gmd or some similar program (some mouse daemon? ) and ran dexconf |
| 00:50.14 | budluva | pwned what did you do? |
| 00:50.19 | herman | what kind of t1 card (PCI) can I use for a dial up server? can I use the diguim (t100p) cards? |
| 00:50.24 | dondelelcaro | xam: 7) SIGBUS |
| 00:50.28 | acetech | anyone here run klibido? |
| 00:50.29 | budluva | so apt-get install gmd |
| 00:50.29 | budluva | ? |
| 00:50.43 | pwned | I don't remember exactly |
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| 00:51.00 | budluva | whats dexconf? |
| 00:51.00 | xam | dondelelcaro: proof? |
| 00:51.09 | pwned | debian X configuration utility |
| 00:51.12 | Bu5H | budluva: you might want to try pointing it to /dev/psaux |
| 00:51.14 | pwned | I googled all these things since three hours |
| 00:51.47 | pwned | my mouse wasn't responding on any of the /dev s |
| 00:52.03 | pwned | lemme see current config |
| 00:52.13 | dondelelcaro | xam: it may very well be 10 in whatever version of kill you're using, but in 3.2.3-1 of procps, it's 7. |
| 00:52.54 | gilles | Bu5H: java has been well installed but my .jar still can't be executed |
| 00:52.56 | xam | dondelelcaro: procps doesn't matter, it is libc and the kernel that matters ... and both define it as 10 |
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| 00:53.18 | Bu5H | gilles: apt-get install j2sdk1.4 |
| 00:53.19 | dondelelcaro | xam: #define SIGBUS 7; #define SIGUSR1 10; |
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| 00:53.31 | Bu5H | no guarantee that'll work, but i have that installed as well |
| 00:53.43 | budluva | Bu5H psaux doesnt work |
| 00:53.46 | xam | dondelelcaro: what kind of system are you using? I'm using Debian/testing |
| 00:53.51 | Bu5H | while we're on the java subject - anybody gotten java to work with kdevelop? i cant figure it out. |
| 00:54.07 | budluva | i apt-get install gpm and used /dev/gpmdata and i got it to load into x, which i could do before, now mouse just doesnt work |
| 00:54.08 | dondelelcaro | xam: unstable. |
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| 00:54.22 | dondelelcaro | xam: same thing in l-k-h 2.5.999-test7-bk-17 |
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| 00:55.05 | pwned | budluva, now my mouse device in /dev/X11/XF86Config-4 looks like this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YDZUq464.html |
| 00:55.08 | Sturzflut | SIGUSR1 30,10,16 User-defined signal 1 |
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| 00:55.27 | pwned | maybe it helps |
| 00:55.31 | Sturzflut | SIGBUS 10,7,10 Core Bus error (bad memory access) |
| 00:55.32 | xam | dondelelcaro: hehehehehe .... |
| 00:55.41 | patrycjusz | how can I burn iso image on my beloved debian(with cdrecord)?? |
| 00:55.46 | xam | dondelelcaro: we are both correct ... it depends on the processor arch |
| 00:55.52 | Sturzflut | SIGBUS is not in POSIX.1 |
| 00:55.54 | budluva | pwned i dont have a www browser atm |
| 00:55.55 | dondelelcaro | xam: could be. |
| 00:56.00 | budluva | how do i find out where my mouse is? |
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| 00:56.08 | xam | dondelelcaro: I just checked ... |
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| 00:56.15 | Guerin | budluva: apt-get install w3m |
| 00:56.17 | budluva | gpmconfig wants to know where my mouse is, /dev/input/mice |
| 00:56.18 | budluva | ? |
| 00:56.24 | budluva | Guerin whats w3m? |
| 00:56.31 | ln | what is the name of the command to undelete files |
| 00:56.33 | pwned | it is a text based browser |
| 00:56.37 | pwned | elinks is another one |
| 00:56.38 | Guerin | budluva: a console browser |
| 00:56.38 | ln | and which package is it in? |
| 00:56.43 | dondelelcaro | xam: if you're using mips or something... but it's 7 in ppc and i386... |
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| 00:57.18 | dondelelcaro | YA reason why it's better to use the names, rather than the numbers.. |
| 00:57.25 | xam | dondelelcaro: sparc and hppa have 10 |
| 00:57.39 | GuinnessLuva | abrotman: I have bitchx, epic4, erc, chatzilla, ircii, ksirc (don't care for that), kvirc, riece, sirc, tinyirc, tirc, xchat, tkirc and zircon... sometimes choice can be confusing |
| 00:57.40 | MobyTurbo | ln, budluva, a lot of your questions about "what package" can be answered using apt-cache. |
| 00:57.41 | budluva | Guerin is it any good? |
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| 00:57.59 | dondelelcaro | xam: yeah... so does mips... probably mipsel too. |
| 00:57.59 | [TCC]Liberty | doh someone was helping me with my debian install and i cant remember his name doh! |
| 00:58.10 | xam | dondelelcaro: aswell as alpha and mips |
| 00:58.11 | Bu5H | GuinnessLuva: do you prefer GUI or command line? |
| 00:58.21 | dondelelcaro | xam: 'course, linux/include/asm/signal.h has the same numbers as everywhere else... |
| 00:58.22 | Guerin | budluva: no, I'm recommending it to you because it's shit and I want your life to be miserable. |
| 00:58.30 | Bu5H | heh |
| 00:58.30 | dondelelcaro | s/everywhere else/i386 and ppc/ |
| 00:58.43 | budluva | Guerin ok how do i close it? ctrl x or c dont work |
| 00:58.49 | ln | MobyTurbo: well i need to know what command name i am looking for first... |
| 00:58.54 | GuinnessLuva | Bu5H: don't care, but I'd like some features, like I'd like to have it play a sound whenever my name shows up in a line |
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| 00:59.07 | Guerin | budluva: q |
| 00:59.24 | Bu5H | GuinnessLuva: irssi is cli, has lots of scripts available in irssi-scripts, and can be screened, which makes it sexy. |
| 00:59.24 | GuinnessLuva | I'd like to be able to filter out people, or filter in people |
| 00:59.38 | Bu5H | filter out people as in ignore? thats in every irc client afaik. |
| 00:59.41 | Guerin | GuinnessLuva: irssi-text pwns all irc clients |
| 00:59.48 | dondelelcaro | GuinnessLuva: pretty trivial to do in irssi |
| 00:59.49 | Bu5H | right on Guerin |
| 01:00.01 | Guerin | GuinnessLuva: it has hundreds of scripts which do most anything you could want |
| 01:00.02 | Sturzflut | xam: there's three sets of signals it seems, 1. alpha and sparc, 2. i386, ppc and sh, and 3. mips. |
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| 01:00.12 | Guerin | including filter out annoying BX quit messages |
| 01:00.21 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.46 | GuinnessLuva | well, it seems irssi is the preferred client, I'll try that |
| 01:01.10 | nvz | dondelelcaro: /ignore regex or custom script? |
| 01:01.19 | dondelelcaro | nvz: custom script... |
| 01:01.26 | nvz | cool |
| 01:01.29 | dondelelcaro | nvz: cafuego wrote it... |
| 01:01.32 | nvz | heh |
| 01:01.48 | Malthus | which t1 card will work to do dial up access with a channelized t1? |
| 01:01.57 | nvz | yeah those messages get me wanting to kill a bitchx |
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| 01:02.16 | Ookii | hey what is the linux equivalent to ACDsee? |
| 01:02.18 | Guerin | !fuck people who use static-width columns on web pages |
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| 01:02.59 | MobyTurbo | Ookii, there are a lot of them. xv is pretty good but non-free. |
| 01:03.00 | dondelelcaro | Ookii: uh, there are lots of them. |
| 01:03.03 | Guerin | I've got my browser about 600x600 on my 800x600 display, and so many fucking sites are unreadable |
| 01:03.12 | dondelelcaro | Ookii: pornview, gtkview, xview, etc. |
| 01:03.23 | Guerin | display |
| 01:03.25 | nvz | Ookii: there is alot of them.. like gtksee, gqview, pornview |
| 01:03.25 | Guerin | gqview |
| 01:03.33 | Sturzflut | Guerin: yeah, you need >= 1024x768 these days |
| 01:03.43 | budluva | ok |
| 01:03.43 | nvz | Ookii: gtksee is of course writen to be a GTK version of ACDsee |
| 01:03.44 | Ookii | lol i didn't know there was a program called 'pornview' |
| 01:03.50 | Guerin | Sturzflut: maybe I should plug in that external monitor again... |
| 01:03.51 | dondelelcaro | !info pornview |
| 01:03.51 | the_ultimate_sam | can u burn an iso in consol? |
| 01:03.55 | budluva | i think i have keyboard functionality in x, just not my mouse |
| 01:03.55 | dondelelcaro | the_ultimate_sam: yes. |
| 01:03.56 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 217 kB, Installed size: 636 kB |
| 01:03.57 | nvz | Ookii: yeap.. its for viewing porn ;) |
| 01:04.03 | mrAstro | got a Windoze app that reads in and plots data from a serial device.. was thinking about running it in Wine and hopefully mapping the serial port over, but wanted your opinions if there's a better way of doing it... and no, installing Windoze is not an option ;) |
| 01:04.04 | the_ultimate_sam | how |
| 01:04.06 | budluva | !dpkg mouse xserver |
| 01:04.08 | dondelelcaro | the_ultimate_sam: with cdrecord. |
| 01:04.10 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: cdw |
| 01:04.15 | initech | gqview is nice, as is just plain konq or nautilus |
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| 01:04.34 | the_ultimate_sam | apt-get install cdrecord? |
| 01:04.45 | Sturzflut | gqview is my preference |
| 01:04.48 | dondelelcaro | mrAstro: just read the data in from a serial device and then write something to munge it into real data. |
| 01:05.12 | dondelelcaro | mrAstro: I mean, reading data in from the serial port is as difficult as cat /dev/ttyS0 > foo_file |
| 01:05.33 | xam | dondelelcaro: 10 = hppa, alpha, mips, sparc ... 7 = the rest |
| 01:05.37 | toggle | What could cause a bus error? Only b0rked hardware right? |
| 01:05.49 | the_ultimate_sam | ? |
| 01:05.51 | MobyTurbo | what is that old deb packages snapshot site? |
| 01:05.58 | dondelelcaro | !sdn |
| 01:05.58 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. |
| 01:06.02 | dondelelcaro | toggle: nah, crappy programming could cause it too... |
| 01:06.11 | Sturzflut | dondelelcaro: man 7 signal |
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| 01:06.19 | MobyTurbo | dondelelcaro, thanks. |
| 01:06.30 | xam | dondelcaro: Unfortunately I just have hppa, sgi and alpha at home (my laptop is i386, but currently running windows) |
| 01:06.38 | toggle | Well, it's prolly the hardware because apt went nutty when I tried to install less. |
| 01:06.43 | dondelelcaro | Sturzflut: yeah. |
| 01:07.02 | acetech | are kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.0) and libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0) available on unstable? |
| 01:07.06 | dondelelcaro | xam: heh. yeah, I only have ppc and i386 around... |
| 01:07.18 | dondelelcaro | !tell acetech about pdo |
| 01:07.56 | budluva | hrmm, is there a help file for getting gpm to work with x? |
| 01:08.06 | mrAstro | dondelelcaro: well, its a really goofy device, and i almost have to have the windoze app to interpret the data, print the report, etc.. |
| 01:08.22 | GuinnessLuva | bailin' out here, be back on irssi soon... |
| 01:08.27 | budluva | Guerin is there a way to find out if my mouse is even being detected or something? |
| 01:08.28 | dondelelcaro | mrAstro: *shrug* You might be able to get it to work in wine... |
| 01:08.29 | budluva | like lsmod? |
| 01:08.45 | dondelelcaro | mrAstro: but IME, the sooner you can get away from the proprietary software, the better. |
| 01:08.52 | mrAstro | dondelelcaro: alright. any other alternatives to Wine, in case it doesn't work? |
| 01:09.08 | budluva | lsmod |grep mouse shows psmouse |
| 01:09.11 | Guerin | budluva: yeah. dmesg should tlel you if it's a usb mouse. if it's ps/2, cat /dev/pssaux and move the mouse, see if that works |
| 01:09.15 | budluva | so is that my mouse driver? |
| 01:09.20 | dondelelcaro | mrAstro: the alternative that I gave you is pretty much it... assuming this is a windows program, not a dos based one. |
| 01:09.21 | mrAstro | dondelelcaro: its not for work or anything, just a personal thing. there won't be any development going into it in the future. |
| 01:09.27 | Guerin | if it spits output to the tty, it's working |
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| 01:09.45 | dondelelcaro | mrAstro: heh. same thing applies to personal stuff. |
| 01:09.47 | budluva | Guerin dmesg |grep mouse shows nothing |
| 01:09.54 | mrAstro | yep, entirely windoze.. it runs on every version of windows though so all the libraries, etc, it uses are contained w/ith it, but was worried about mapping the serial over |
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| 01:10.11 | Guerin | budluva: always use grep -i in dmesg; many things are mixed-case |
| 01:10.21 | budluva | so just dmesg |grep -i |
| 01:10.31 | budluva | ? or dmesg |grep -i mouse |
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| 01:10.41 | Guerin | budluva: -i just means case-insensitive |
| 01:10.45 | budluva | Guerin ok |
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| 01:11.02 | the_ultimate_sam | how do i set where the ftp downloads from in consol? |
| 01:11.03 | feklee_ | Does anyone have INN 2.4 installed? I'd like to know what is the default setting for "pathtmp" in the file /etc/news/inn.conf. |
| 01:11.17 | mrAstro | dondelelcaro: well, its something i have to use for a while and at least until i can work on figuring out how it interprets the data, etc, and write my own stuff.. gotta do it this way :( |
| 01:11.26 | budluva | Guerin input: ImPS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse on isa0060/serio1 |
| 01:11.46 | tweek_ | good choice |
| 01:11.50 | Guerin | budluva: your kernel is recognising it, then |
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| 01:12.02 | budluva | Guerin so using that info, how do i make my mouse work in xserver? |
| 01:12.05 | Guerin | budluva: did you choose imps/2 in x config? |
| 01:12.13 | budluva | yes, that doesnt work |
| 01:12.16 | alex_ | my box has now a static IP and is not connected to a DHCP server, in the syslog, I have a lot of message about the dhclientthat do DHCPrequest on eth0, how do I stop it to look for a DHCP server ? |
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| 01:12.29 | jjh | budluva: you're using gpm? |
| 01:12.31 | Guerin | budluva: I dunno, we tried everything I could think of yesterday |
| 01:12.35 | catlee | Ok, this is probably a dumb question...But I'm not sure exactly which piece of software is misconfigured. When I click on links in gaim or evolution, I get a terminal window that pops up with lynx in it. Under the "Preferred Applications" setting, my Web Browser is set to "Debian Sensible Browser". Running sensible-browser from the command line opens up firefox, like it should...It's like gaim and evolution are ignoring the preferred applications setting |
| 01:12.42 | Guerin | budluva: you need some peterS leetness on your side |
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| 01:12.51 | peterS | Guerin? |
| 01:13.02 | Guerin | ah, the genie has appeared |
| 01:13.08 | budluva | jjh yes im using gpm |
| 01:13.19 | budluva | hehe |
| 01:13.32 | jjh | budluva: did you use /dev/gpmdata is your X config? |
| 01:13.40 | Guerin | peterS: budluva has mousey troubles, nothing appears to make his mouse work in X |
| 01:13.49 | Guerin | budluva: did you get your kbd working in X yet? |
| 01:13.51 | budluva | jjh yes, but i dont know if i have gpmconfig configed correctly, what is my mouse dir? |
| 01:14.00 | budluva | Guerin ya keyboard works in x, just no mouse |
| 01:14.03 | peterS | budluva: in your Section "InputDevice", what "device" and "protocol" are you using? |
| 01:14.11 | peterS | budluva: also, what kernel version have you got - 2.2, 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 01:14.16 | budluva | 2.6.8 |
| 01:14.32 | budluva | peterS im using gpmdata in my xconfig |
| 01:14.32 | acetech | would i want a non-mip or a mips version of kdelibs4? |
| 01:14.43 | budluva | but i dont know my location of my mouse for gpmconfig |
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| 01:14.57 | jjh | budluva: maybe /dev/input/mice? |
| 01:15.00 | jjh | is it usb? |
| 01:15.03 | peterS | budluva: in kernel 2.6, /dev/gpmdata should not be needed. I'd recommend using device "/dev/input/mice" protocol "ExplorerPS/2" in XF86Config-4 |
| 01:15.03 | budluva | k ill try, no ps2 |
| 01:15.13 | peterS | budluva: and disabling the repeater in /etc/gpm.conf |
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| 01:15.53 | budluva | peterS i dunno, gpm is the only thing that will work |
| 01:15.56 | Fosten | hi, i'm trying to upgrade to 2.6.8 kernel on a amd k6-2 350... streuner recommended using kernel-image for k7, however the computer just keeps rebooting and linux never loads... any ideas? |
| 01:16.07 | Guerin | budluva: eh? |
| 01:16.09 | peterS | Fosten: a k6-2 is *not* a k7. |
| 01:16.14 | peterS | Fosten: you should use the 686 image |
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| 01:16.20 | Sturzflut | budluva: without gpm running you can't get mouse in X? |
| 01:16.23 | peterS | oh wait...... |
| 01:16.32 | Defenestrator | 586 for K6-2, isn't it? |
| 01:16.39 | peterS | Fosten: ummm, I mean, the 686 isn't right either |
| 01:16.42 | Guerin | err, k6 isn't 686 compatible either |
| 01:16.44 | budluva | Sturzflut yes |
| 01:16.45 | peterS | Fosten: I think you're stuck with the 386 image |
| 01:17.01 | Guerin | 586 will work, if they still build them |
| 01:17.08 | xwind | i encounter configuration errors when installing modutils_2.4.26-1.1_i386.deb on debian testing. is it an unresolved bug? |
| 01:17.08 | Sturzflut | why isn't k6-2 586? |
| 01:17.16 | peterS | Guerin: they don't build 586 2.6 images |
| 01:17.22 | peterS | Sturzflut: it is, but he wants a 2.6.8 kernel image |
| 01:17.24 | Guerin | peterS: fair enough, too. |
| 01:17.35 | Sturzflut | peterS: oh, ok |
| 01:17.40 | Guerin | xwind: what errors? |
| 01:18.04 | xwind | dpkg: error processing modutils (--configure): |
| 01:18.04 | xwind | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.04 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, xwind |
| 01:18.10 | Fosten | ok, so 386 it is...thanks guys... btw, where can i find out these compatabilities for the different kernel images? |
| 01:18.12 | Jacobo221 | is it possible to compile ALSA into kernel instead of as a module? |
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| 01:18.29 | Guerin | xwind: that's not an error; paste the real one to a httpd someplace |
| 01:18.34 | Guerin | !possible |
| 01:18.34 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 01:18.41 | Sturzflut | Jacobo221: try asking in the alsa channel |
| 01:18.49 | Guerin | Fosten: google will tell you |
| 01:19.00 | Jacobo221 | oh, damn! there's an alsa channel! THANKS! :) |
| 01:19.01 | peterS | Fosten: you mainly just have to already know. I don't know if it's written down anywhere. you can try 'apt-cache show kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686' for example, though |
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| 01:19.14 | nvz | did you all feel that? |
| 01:19.15 | Guerin | Jacobo221: yeah, it's easy to do, but typically unless you know exactly ehat you're doing, modules are cleaner. |
| 01:19.28 | budluva | bloody mouse |
| 01:19.34 | xwind | ok will find out more about the error. just did apt-get install modutils and i got those messages. |
| 01:19.43 | budluva | anyone here use gpm for there mouse with xserver? |
| 01:19.48 | peterS | budluva: did you try Protocol "ExplorerPS/2" Device "/dev/input/mice" in XF86Config-4 ? |
| 01:19.52 | Guerin | xwind: paste up the full output from the command |
| 01:20.05 | Guerin | xwind: not in here, put it on the web somewhere |
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| 01:20.13 | nvz | A colossal number of morons just dialed AOL... they are going to offer free antivirus now.. its time to reinstate the AOL bans ;) |
| 01:20.27 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: i never use modules since i use all my hardware 90% of the time. so I want alsa to be on kernel, not as module. but it seems to refuse to work. so I wonder if not being as a module could have something to do with my problem ;) |
| 01:20.36 | xwind | ok. may i be advised on how i could get the error. is it in one of the logs? |
| 01:20.57 | budluva | peterS yes that doesnt work |
| 01:21.04 | peterS | budluva: what does "doesn't work" mean? |
| 01:21.06 | Guerin | Jacobo221: mine works. look at my config at http://feayn.org/~lewis/config-2.6.9 |
| 01:21.10 | peterS | budluva: what errors do you get? |
| 01:21.16 | budluva | does work |
| 01:21.19 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: thanks, gonna take it a look |
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| 01:21.25 | budluva | wont even load x |
| 01:21.26 | Sturzflut | Guerin: he might be asking about 2.4 |
| 01:21.28 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: btw, which soundcard d'you have? |
| 01:21.30 | budluva | with gpm x loads, just no mouse |
| 01:21.30 | Guerin | Jacobo221: you'll have to change a ton of things unless you're on a toshiba tecra 8000 though |
| 01:21.34 | peterS | budluva: have you loaded the kernel module "mousedev"? |
| 01:21.37 | Guerin | Sturzflut: the principles apply. |
| 01:21.42 | hansgnu | Who can tell me one good book about assebly? |
| 01:21.45 | Guerin | Jacobo221: opl3sa2 isapnp |
| 01:21.53 | budluva | peterS how can i tell? lsmod |grep mousedev |
| 01:21.53 | budluva | ? |
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| 01:21.55 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: heh, ye |
| 01:21.57 | peterS | budluva: sure |
| 01:21.59 | MobyTurbo | I'm having a hard time installing gnustep on Debian sid, it complains about unmet dependencies in gnustep-back regarding libgnustep-base and libgnustep-gui. Do I have to wait until this is fixed in sid to install or is there a way to fix things? |
| 01:22.02 | Sturzflut | Guerin: alsa does not come in the 2.4 source, it's separate |
| 01:22.08 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: uh, isa, oldish.... ;P |
| 01:22.11 | budluva | peterS nothing shows up |
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| 01:22.21 | rer | how do i start bittornado? |
| 01:22.27 | peterS | budluva: that's your problem, then. load that module. "modprobe mousedev" and "echo mousedev >> /etc/modules" |
| 01:22.34 | rer | i have apt-get installed it but i cant find it or start it. |
| 01:22.36 | mindphasr | rer: btdownloadgui |
| 01:22.42 | Sturzflut | rer: cd to the directory and type ./btdownloadgui.py |
| 01:22.43 | rer | oh.. |
| 01:22.46 | Guerin | Sturzflut: yeah, I know. but I don't have a 2.4 kernel config up, so I just offer what I can. |
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| 01:22.59 | Guerin | grrr, not btdownloadgui |
| 01:23.03 | budluva | peterS modprobe mousedev && echo mousedev >> /etc/modules will that work? |
| 01:23.15 | peterS | budluva: you never know until you try. it should. |
| 01:23.22 | Guerin | rer: dpkg -L bittornado |grep bin |
| 01:23.29 | rer | thanks |
| 01:23.35 | Guerin | rer: that will show you all the executable files in the package |
| 01:23.41 | Sturzflut | didn't know there was a bittornado package now |
| 01:24.10 | Guerin | in sarge and sid, anyway |
| 01:24.24 | Guerin | gah, mousedev |
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| 01:24.34 | Guerin | how did I not remember to tell him to load mousedev? |
| 01:24.36 | budluva | peterS nice!!! it works |
| 01:24.44 | Guerin | !beer peterS |
| 01:24.50 | peterS | budluva: good. now if you also want gpm to work, use /dev/input/mice and protocol "exps2" and no repeater. |
| 01:24.53 | peterS | Guerin: thanks (: |
| 01:25.10 | budluva | i dont need gpm anymore do i? |
| 01:25.32 | peterS | budluva: depends. gpm gives you mouse cut/paste functionality on text consoles, for when you are not in X. if you want this, use it. if you don't, don't. |
| 01:26.20 | budluva | oh ok |
| 01:26.23 | budluva | yes i do |
| 01:27.08 | budluva | ok, so do i use gpmdata and then gpmconfig to /dev/input/mice and use exps2 and none for repeater? |
| 01:27.09 | xwind | pls take a look at my modutils installation problem at: http://nipahut.com/main/modutils.htm |
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| 01:28.08 | Guerin | !find bin/update-modules |
| 01:28.12 | peterS | budluva: "gpmdata" is just the repeater. you can ignore it. but yeah, use 'gpmconfig' to set those other 2 options. |
| 01:28.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/update-modules' (1 shown): (/sbin/update-modules) in admin/module-init-tools,base/modutils. |
| 01:28.34 | Guerin | xwind: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 01:28.43 | xwind | ok. |
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| 01:29.19 | hansgnu | Anybody knows about assembly? |
| 01:29.31 | gravity | It's been way too long since I did any assembly coding |
| 01:29.41 | Guerin | xwind: in future.... lovely though that looks, it's not really necessary to make valid html. Plain text will do :) |
| 01:30.09 | hansgnu | gravity: do you know a good book about assembly? |
| 01:30.28 | peterS | gravity: oh, I dunno, how long is too long? I don't plan to do any for a very long time to come, and I don't think that's *too* long (: |
| 01:30.28 | xwind | Guerin: module-init-tools already installed. |
| 01:31.02 | Guerin | xwind: dpkg -L module-init-tools |grep update |
| 01:31.21 | Guerin | xwind: dpkg -L modutils |grep update # do this too |
| 01:31.28 | gravity | hansgnu: The Kip Irvine book is the one I used in my class, and it was very good |
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| 01:31.39 | budluva | ok, i have a new problem |
| 01:31.43 | gravity | peterS: Too long for me to remember any details about it, which is something I can live with :-) |
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| 01:32.03 | budluva | i did an apt-get install xchat, everything went ok, but then i go and type xchat and i get this... |
| 01:32.10 | budluva | erm |
| 01:32.12 | budluva | never mind |
| 01:32.14 | budluva | seems to work now |
| 01:32.20 | Guerin | budluva: hahaha |
| 01:32.21 | hansgnu | gravity: the name of the book is "The Kip Irvine book" |
| 01:32.29 | peterS | gravity: heh. "assembly" is too broad anyway, you have to specify which CPU architecture. that's one field where there's very little in common between the CPUs - at least compared to what is *not* in common |
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| 01:32.41 | gravity | hansgnu: No, that's the author. It'll be easy enough to find from that. |
| 01:32.56 | MrPoopyPants | wow setting up dual boot was super easy |
| 01:33.04 | MrPoopyPants | knoppix is a useful tool for that |
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| 01:33.13 | gravity | peterS: True, but if they're not specifying, x86 is probably a good enough guess |
| 01:33.14 | MrPoopyPants | Qtparted |
| 01:33.16 | budluva | how come apt-get install firefox doesnt work? |
| 01:33.18 | MrPoopyPants | very nice stuff |
| 01:33.22 | budluva | or is the package mozilla-firefox? |
| 01:33.24 | hansgnu | gravity: thanks .. i will search for it |
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| 01:33.34 | Guerin | budluva: because making up package names is typically not the best way to install software |
| 01:33.45 | Guerin | !tell budluva about search |
| 01:33.46 | budluva | Guerin, well how do i install firefox then? |
| 01:33.46 | Heart_ | php-cli is only a command-line interpreter for php4, isn't it? when i install it with apt-get install php4-cli my PHP 4.3.9-1.dotdeb.3 package isn't edited!? |
| 01:33.49 | MrPoopyPants | Dore Gold is on Foxnews!! woohoo!! |
| 01:34.03 | peterS | gravity: heh, right. until quite recently (I don't know if it's still true or not) this university was teaching 8086 assembly in MS-DOS. so that's not only x86 but 16-bit x86. so it's still a little bit ambiguous even then (: |
| 01:34.05 | hansgnu | gravity: bye.. I will study sources know |
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| 01:34.21 | yhg | Dore Gold? |
| 01:34.27 | Guerin | never heard of him |
| 01:34.36 | gravity | peterS: I think that's how I learned it. Bottom up. |
| 01:34.40 | JTMarlin | anyone know how i can configure the fetchmail init script to start up the daemon for a particular user, rather than as a root process? I want it to use the $HOME/.fetchmailrc instead of /etc/fetchmailrc and i also want it to call procmail as that user instead of as root. |
| 01:34.51 | Ookii | i have icewm and fluxbox on an old laptop, and i want to run it as fast as possible, is there a lighter wm out there? |
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| 01:35.08 | dondelelcaro | JTMarlin: don't use init scripts then. |
| 01:35.13 | peterS | JTMarlin: what you probably want is a cron job in the user's own crontab file where the time fields are simply "@reboot" |
| 01:35.17 | dondelelcaro | JTMarlin: start it up as the user. |
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| 01:35.29 | Guerin | JTMarlin: I'm not 100% sure, but I think if you just leave /etc/fetchmailrc unconfigured, then use a valid .fetchmailrc, it'll run as aa user |
| 01:35.34 | Quiet | Hi everyone |
| 01:35.55 | JTMarlin | Guerin: i want it to load at startup though |
| 01:36.02 | JTMarlin | peterS: i'm not familiar with that @reboot diretive in crontabs |
| 01:36.08 | dondelelcaro | JTMarlin: man 5 crontab; |
| 01:36.14 | peterS | JTMarlin: 'man 5 crontab' - useful little feature |
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| 01:36.26 | JTMarlin | thanks, i'll check it out |
| 01:36.29 | Guerin | Ookii: not much lighter than flux - try other *boxen, ratpoison, twm, ion, etc. |
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| 01:37.18 | JTMarlin | ah, found it, excellent |
| 01:37.22 | JTMarlin | thanks for the help |
| 01:37.30 | jrr | one can list stable/testing/unstable or the actual track name (ie woody/sarge/sid) in their apt list, yes? |
| 01:37.36 | Quiet | Is there anyone here who might shed some light on sound card problems? |
| 01:37.39 | Guerin | jrr: correct |
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| 01:37.52 | Guerin | Quiet: someone might, if we're given something to shed it on |
| 01:37.52 | bighead | hey |
| 01:37.54 | peterS | Quiet: lots of us know about sound cards. can you be more specific? |
| 01:37.55 | budluva | Guerin, ok so apt-get install mozilla-firefox, now when i try and run mozilla or firefox i get DISPLAY not set |
| 01:37.56 | jrr | if i use the track name instead of the stability, will it follow the track through a release? |
| 01:38.04 | budluva | where do i set my display for firefox? |
| 01:38.11 | peterS | budluva: you're probably trying to run it as root |
| 01:38.13 | Guerin | budluva: are you logged into X as root? |
| 01:38.17 | budluva | no |
| 01:38.18 | Guerin | or the opposite |
| 01:38.21 | jrr | for example, if i keep 'sid' in there, will i magically be in testing after the next release? |
| 01:38.23 | bighead | I have 2 Debian 3.0r1 Cds (1 and 2) lying around. Is that enough for a debian install? I don't know if I had CD3 or more |
| 01:38.26 | budluva | i made sure i wasnt root |
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| 01:38.33 | peterS | jrr: no, sid is always going to be unstable |
| 01:38.35 | acetech | if i am installing something from a .deb file and it is from unstable, such as kde library, will it mess up the entire apt-get? |
| 01:38.36 | Guerin | jrr: no, but only because sid is not the next testing |
| 01:38.37 | peterS | jrr: if you want testing, say testing |
| 01:38.49 | Quiet | Lol. Okay. I have an older Soundblaster- 16 card that works fine under DOS & Windoze, but I can't seem to get it going under Linux. |
| 01:38.52 | jrr | that's right - sid doesn't move, does he |
| 01:38.57 | Guerin | Quiet: what kernel? |
| 01:39.03 | Quiet | I get segmentation faults when I try to configure it. |
| 01:39.09 | Quiet | 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 01:39.14 | jrr | the toy-breaking brat makes sense as one that stays always unstable |
| 01:39.16 | Guerin | Quiet: choose one. |
| 01:39.20 | peterS | jrr: yes |
| 01:39.22 | bighead | umm, how many CDs do I need to install debian? will 1 and 2 suffice for a basic install? |
| 01:39.31 | Quiet | Neither seem to work, but let's say 2.6 |
| 01:39.33 | peterS | bighead: 1 should be fine |
| 01:39.35 | Guerin | bighead: you NEED 0. You probably want one. |
| 01:39.49 | Guerin | Quiet: good choice. Are you in it now? |
| 01:39.55 | peterS | Quiet: just plain 'modprobe sb' works for all plug-n-play varieties of soundblaster 16. which is I think most of them. |
| 01:40.02 | Guerin | yup |
| 01:40.06 | bighead | sweet thanks |
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| 01:40.08 | Guerin | that's the oss module |
| 01:40.26 | Quiet | Let me try that now. |
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| 01:40.59 | acetech | what would happen if i switch the aptget databases to unstable to update something then back to testing... will this be ok to intall kdelibs4? |
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| 01:41.31 | jrr | there's gotta be some way to do that - some people temporarily switch to experimental to get gnome2.8 |
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| 01:41.42 | jrr | supposedly without hosing their current setup |
| 01:41.56 | peterS | acetech: I wouldn't recommend it. unstable has KDE 3.3, testing has KDE 3.2 |
| 01:42.05 | xwind | further help pls: http://nipahut.com/main/modutils.txt |
| 01:42.09 | peterS | acetech: so I wouldn't try mixing KDE packages from unstable and testing |
| 01:42.24 | peterS | acetech: but in the general case, you certainly can do what you just described |
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| 01:42.38 | Guerin | jrr: does there? |
| 01:42.41 | Stinky | got another problem |
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| 01:42.45 | acetech | peterS: i need the kde 3.3 though.... |
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| 01:42.46 | GinnessLuva | abrotman: Hey :) |
| 01:42.49 | Guerin | jrr: I mean, anything's possible, but... |
| 01:42.50 | MrPoopyPants | Hmm I was under the impression that my compiler was supposed to use both cpu's - why doesnt it seem to be? |
| 01:43.06 | peterS | MrPoopyPants: are you running an SMP kernel? are you compiling with "make -j2"? |
| 01:43.08 | Stinky | I tried to install debian as the only os on my other comp, now it loads and says error loading os |
| 01:43.16 | rbd | hey guys, I have a debian box with an old nvidia tnt2 (w/ a tv out port) running. Xfree86 starts up fine (running windowmaker), however the mouse appears to be 'misaligned'...i.e. I can only mouse over to the middle of the screen, and if I click somewhere in the middle, it gets mapped to somewhere on the left of the screen (that I can't get to with the mouse)...anyone know why this might be? |
| 01:43.21 | Guerin | Stinky: I bet that's not what it says |
| 01:43.35 | Stinky | yep |
| 01:43.39 | MrPoopyPants | I am NOT compiling with make -j2 and wouldnt it be make -j3 for a dual cpu system? |
| 01:43.42 | peterS | MrPoopyPants: each instance of your compiler does *not* use more than 1 CPU. there isn't much point. "make -j2" runs multiple compiler instances at the same time, to achieve basically the same effect |
| 01:43.44 | Guerin | rbd: what display? tv or monitor? |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | GinnessLuva: you made it back |
| 01:43.49 | scarynetworkguy | rbd: wrong vid driver and/or wrong mouse type |
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| 01:43.57 | rbd | Guerin: TV display, 640x800 res |
| 01:44.00 | dondelelcaro | MrPoopyPants: just use -j |
| 01:44.09 | peterS | MrPoopyPants: -j2 or -j3, either one. anyway, -j2 will use both your CPUs at least most of the time. |
| 01:44.17 | MrPoopyPants | ? what is plain -j |
| 01:44.20 | rbd | scarynetworkguy: I've tried /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux (when I put a PS/2 adapter on the mouse and restarted) |
| 01:44.20 | Guerin | rbd: hrm, I don't know anything much about tvout on nvidia |
| 01:44.22 | dondelelcaro | MrPoopyPants: info make |
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| 01:44.33 | MrPoopyPants | k |
| 01:44.37 | Guerin | rbd: what driver, out of curiosity? |
| 01:44.39 | Stinky | I thought it might be the grub loader but I can't try anything else cause it won't recognize the cdrom or floppy |
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| 01:44.55 | Guerin | Stinky: what makes you think it's grub? |
| 01:44.57 | dondelelcaro | MrPoopyPants: or man make. It doesn't limit the number of make processes that can run simultaneously. |
| 01:45.05 | mrAstro | do i have to do anything special to give normal users rights to work with serial devices? |
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| 01:45.16 | rbd | Guerin: nv....hmm I might need to set HWCursor to off |
| 01:45.17 | Guerin | Stinky: oh, I think that might be the bios message when it can't boot ANY os |
| 01:45.29 | Stinky | yeah it won't load |
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| 01:45.38 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I've always been under the impression that 'make -j' was dangerous because you could easily run out of memory before make noticed the high load average. not true? |
| 01:45.58 | dondelelcaro | peterS: depends. I've never had a problem with it... |
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| 01:46.02 | Guerin | Stinky: you need to boot from a flloppy or a cd, or set your bios to try to boot to the drive upon which you've installed grub |
| 01:46.03 | MrPoopyPants | NICE - thank you very much |
| 01:46.20 | dondelelcaro | peterS: but then again, I tend to build things with sane ulimits, so I tend not to have that problem... |
| 01:46.21 | MrPoopyPants | seems rather pointless of me to set up smp and not USE it |
| 01:46.22 | Quiet | Well, that modprobe command seems to be just what I needed. At least I finally got some sound from the speaker. Thanks! |
| 01:46.24 | Stinky | error loading os |
| 01:46.42 | MrPoopyPants | I would assume compiling is the #1 thing HT is made for - and maybe being part of the rendering cluster |
| 01:46.53 | Guerin | Stinky: go into bios and change the boot order to floppy, cdrom, hdd |
| 01:47.03 | Guerin | Stinky: and try to boot from those devices in order |
| 01:47.14 | shingouz | MrPoopyPants: HT is not the same as SMP |
| 01:47.16 | Stinky | I tried switching to cdrom and it says uninstalled |
| 01:47.21 | MrPoopyPants | whatever |
| 01:47.41 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: in the same way that a 4cyl turbo is not a v8 |
| 01:47.42 | peterS | dondelelcaro: how do you manage to get sane ulimits? as I think Albert Cahalan once said, "it is reasonable to run 50 processes. It is reasonable for a process to use 50 MB of memory. This does not imply that a user should be allowed to use 2.5 GB of memory." |
| 01:47.44 | acetech | is unstable really unstable |
| 01:47.49 | Guerin | acetech: yes. |
| 01:47.50 | Stinky | oh I forgot theres no floppy drive on it, probably why it can't boot from that either |
| 01:48.00 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I forget the numbers he used, but it illustrates the problem with ulimits |
| 01:48.03 | Stinky | I think I'll get a woody distro for this box |
| 01:48.06 | MrPoopyPants | like I'd notice some kinda huge diff between dual p4's and a p4ht with 2mb l2 |
| 01:48.25 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: like you sure as hell would, yeah. |
| 01:48.32 | MrPoopyPants | although I will give this to AMD - nice strong cheap overclockable ships |
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| 01:49.04 | MrPoopyPants | does ANYONE make a dual or quad athlon-xp board/ |
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| 01:49.10 | Stinky | one last question |
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| 01:49.16 | Stinky | what are spurious interupts? |
| 01:49.18 | budluva | ok |
| 01:49.32 | budluva | peterS ok, i rebooted my machine and no more mouse |
| 01:49.34 | Guerin | !listkeys spurious |
| 01:49.36 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'spurious' by key (1 shown): spurious 8259a interrupt. |
| 01:49.37 | MrPoopyPants | stinky - via chipset? |
| 01:49.38 | peterS | Stinky: interrupts that trigger without the device in question having issued them on purpose. electrical noise, generally. |
| 01:49.44 | Stinky | nforce |
| 01:49.44 | Guerin | !spurious 8259a interrupt |
| 01:49.45 | dpkg | methinks spurious 8259a interrupt is told of over on Intel's site |
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| 01:49.54 | Guerin | uselessest factoid EVER |
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| 01:50.07 | peterS | Guerin: hey now, it's got pretty stiff competition |
| 01:50.26 | Stinky | ahh so probably since i've been overclocking this comp alot it'll be giveing spurious interuppts? |
| 01:50.35 | Guerin | peterS: it's within cooee of being useful. Just a tiny bit more effort on the creator's part... |
| 01:50.36 | sussudio | !ewe |
| 01:50.36 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 01:50.40 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, that's just one of the many issues. the most important one typically is -u and -d; and it differs depending on what you're doing. |
| 01:50.41 | sussudio | ^ unlike that one |
| 01:50.42 | peterS | Stinky: if you overclock, who knows what kind of behavior you will get |
| 01:50.51 | dondelelcaro | peterS: and sanity is largely dependent on context... |
| 01:50.53 | peterS | Guerin: true |
| 01:51.01 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh, certainly |
| 01:51.03 | Stinky | ok thanks |
| 01:51.15 | budluva | peterS i rebooted my machine and i dont have mouse in x anymore, so reconfig xserver-xfree86 should use /dev/input/mice right? and then gpmconfig should use /dev/input/mice and exps2 and none for repeater right? |
| 01:51.43 | peterS | budluva: I'm guessing earlier you did something like "modprobe psmouse" as part of trying to get the mouse to work. right? |
| 01:52.00 | xwind | why is it that when i do "ls -l /sbin/update* " i get the msg "ls: update-modules: Input/output error" |
| 01:52.10 | Guerin | dpkg, no, spurious 8259a interrupt is see http://search2.intel.com/corporate/default.aspx?culture=en-US&q=spurious+8259a&x=0&y=0 |
| 01:52.11 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 01:52.11 | rer | anyone use bittorrent? |
| 01:52.15 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 01:52.16 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:52.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:52.36 | peterS | budluva: if that is the case, as I suspect it is, do "modprobe psmouse && echo psmouse >> /etc/modules" - just like you did for mousedev |
| 01:52.37 | Guerin | my replacement factoid isn't much more useful, as you'll see if you follow the link |
| 01:52.45 | polibio | qmail cluster? |
| 01:52.47 | MrPoopyPants | how do I configure the colors in my console? |
| 01:52.47 | budluva | ok |
| 01:52.54 | MrPoopyPants | I like the lok of gentoo |
| 01:52.57 | MrPoopyPants | look |
| 01:53.09 | Guerin | !fgi MrPoopyPants bash+prompt+color+howto |
| 01:53.10 | dpkg | MrPoopyPants: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=bash+prompt+color+howto |
| 01:53.16 | budluva | peterS ok did tha |
| 01:53.21 | budluva | peters now what |
| 01:53.27 | peterS | budluva: your mouse should be working. no need to restart X or anything |
| 01:53.32 | budluva | ok |
| 01:53.50 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin, Have a large steaming pile of my feces. |
| 01:53.52 | Guerin | xwind: shutdown -fr now |
| 01:53.54 | budluva | ok so now if i reboot will it still work or what? |
| 01:54.05 | Guerin | xwind: you need to fsck your root filesystem |
| 01:54.08 | peterS | budluva: does your mouse work now? |
| 01:54.11 | budluva | yes |
| 01:54.16 | budluva | but will it work when i reboot? |
| 01:54.22 | xwind | bash: shutdown: command not found |
| 01:54.26 | peterS | budluva: good. and yes, it will work after reboot. |
| 01:54.31 | budluva | ok im gonna try :P |
| 01:54.44 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: you wlaready tried to give me one of those. WHat's your obsession with shit, anyway? You have a pantsful of it, and you're always talking it... |
| 01:54.49 | MrPoopyPants | Jesus christ thats way too complicate for me |
| 01:54.54 | Guerin | xwind: as root |
| 01:54.55 | xwind | ah. ok. thanks Guerin. |
| 01:55.06 | jrr | or mbe sbin |
| 01:55.11 | Guerin | xwind: -fr forces a fsck on reboot |
| 01:55.15 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin, I dont know. Perhaps its the smell of your sweaty naked mother that drives me to think of feces. |
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| 01:55.36 | asg | Guerin: ah, Sunday has come early it seems |
| 01:55.36 | peterS | MrPoopyPants: no need to troll |
| 01:55.37 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: well, compiling as module did the trick :_/ |
| 01:55.57 | Jacobo221 | I just got to have alsa working, but mic can't be muted. is there any trick? |
| 01:55.58 | MrPoopyPants | peterS, troll onto other as they have trolled unto you. |
| 01:56.05 | Guerin | asg: no, right on time... happened at midnight, as ever. |
| 01:56.21 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: I didn't fucking troll you, I fucking answered your question. |
| 01:56.44 | peterS | MrPoopyPants: also, you're misquoting. "troll unto others as _you would have them_ troll unto you" |
| 01:56.52 | Guerin | Jacobo221: can't mute it in alsamixer? Can't turn the mic channel all the way down? |
| 01:57.10 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin -0 you fuckign sent me to a fucking insult page, Ive been using google, I dont understnad the damn manual page - I wouldnt ask if i could figure it out |
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| 01:57.32 | MrPoopyPants | peterS, no way - thats the christian version, I dont subscribe to that |
| 01:57.35 | budluva | Guerin, how do i get ipmasq ? just apt-get install ipmasq? |
| 01:57.46 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: if you can't use google, you shouldn't be using a computer. It's that simple. |
| 01:57.48 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: I can, but if I blow to the mic, I can still hear through my ears |
| 01:57.50 | Guerin | budluva: yup. |
| 01:57.56 | peterS | MrPoopyPants: it's the original version. the other is misquoting. like it or not. |
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| 01:58.08 | Guerin | Jacobo221: do you use alsamixer to set levels? |
| 01:58.17 | Guerin | !order |
| 01:58.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, order is if you're having trouble with something: 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 01:58.20 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin, is it so hard to understand that I already USED google before asking here? |
| 01:58.25 | MrPoopyPants | My lord |
| 01:58.45 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: use it better. And read the "order" factoid above. |
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| 01:58.52 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: alsamixer -c 1 and muted mic, yes |
| 01:58.55 | MrPoopyPants | you people could make an OS from scratch, but you cant get that I look and rtfm BEFORE I ask |
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| 01:59.05 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: i guess that's what you mean with "to set levels" |
| 01:59.09 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin, excrement. |
| 01:59.11 | Guerin | MrPoopyPants: look harder. |
| 01:59.19 | MrPoopyPants | Guerin, excrement! |
| 01:59.46 | Guerin | yup, stuck at the anal stage alright. He'll progress onto the oral stage soon, and then it'll be EATING shit. |
| 02:00.17 | shingouz | MrPoopyPants: you are trying to get a nice color output of ls, arent you? you need to remove three hash marks out of the .bashrc. its that simple |
| 02:00.17 | dondelelcaro | MrPoopyPants: when most of us tell you to look at some documentation, odds are we ourselves have actually gone and looked at it immediately before telling you about it. |
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| 02:00.20 | Guerin | Jacobo221: yeah, alsamixer is a good test of whether you have some oss/alsa mixage, which it appears you don't. |
| 02:00.25 | ecliptik | where do I get /etc/init.d/iptables in testing? I have the package installed but when I try and update-rc.d iptables defaults to start configuring them I get a file does not exist. |
| 02:00.28 | asg | shingouz: and a few in ~/.bash_profile (so that ~/.bashrc is sourced) |
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| 02:00.42 | Guerin | Jacobo221: what card is it? |
| 02:01.01 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: SB Live! |
| 02:01.08 | shingouz | asg, MrPoopyPants: yes, asg is correct, sorry; im a bit caffeine handicapped right now |
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| 02:01.10 | budluva | Guerin, ok got it installed, how do i configure it to allow my xp machine? 192.168.0.2 |
| 02:01.20 | Jacobo221 | Guerin> Jacobo221: yeah, alsamixer is a good test of whether you have some oss/alsa mixage, which it appears you don't. <- no OSS here. only OSS emulation |
| 02:01.22 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: dpkg -L iptables|less; and you will be enlightened. |
| 02:01.34 | Guerin | Jacobo221: wow, should work clean as anything, then. maybe ask #alsa; my cards always Just Worked. |
| 02:01.41 | MrPoopyPants | I do oss emulation too |
| 02:01.46 | Guerin | Jacobo221: I know, because alsamixer tends not to run if you have both :) |
| 02:01.51 | ecliptik | thank you dondelelcaro, this is my first time using iptables so I need all the help I can get |
| 02:01.54 | MrPoopyPants | i have to say alsa is good |
| 02:02.04 | MrPoopyPants | anyone here use an sb pci128 |
| 02:02.18 | Guerin | budluva: set your client machine's gateway to the internal ip of your ipmasq server. No server-side config is necessary. |
| 02:02.25 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 02:02.25 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:02.29 | MrPoopyPants | I only get 48khz out of my onboard via and it sounds rather bad |
| 02:02.52 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: ye, I'm at #alsa since some time ago, but no answers ;) |
| 02:02.58 | Guerin | 48khz is about as much as the human ear can percieve |
| 02:03.10 | Guerin | </oversimplification> |
| 02:03.10 | ecliptik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.16 | MrPoopyPants | i get sound and all but I dont have a digital out and my reciever is the only thing i have in my house capable pf processing that kind of signal correctly |
| 02:03.17 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: anyway, on the subject we were talking before. have you ever been able to run alsa as kernel buitin instead of module? |
| 02:03.21 | ecliptik | and I still find nothing on my system |
| 02:03.23 | dondelelcaro | ecliptik: usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/oldinitdscript.gz |
| 02:03.27 | dondelelcaro | NEXT! |
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| 02:03.40 | budluva | Guerin, i see why its not working, ifconfig doesnt see eth1 |
| 02:03.42 | asg | !next |
| 02:03.48 | asg | meh |
| 02:03.53 | MrPoopyPants | Jacobo221, I do that owrks great |
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| 02:04.08 | peterS | asg: what's wrong with, I dunno, just saying NEXT! like dondelelcaro did? why does that sort of thing need bot assistance? |
| 02:04.11 | MrPoopyPants | Jacobo221, but Guerin is far more experienced than I am at this |
| 02:04.35 | Jacobo221 | MrPoopyPants: you do what? |
| 02:04.36 | asg | peterS: was hoping for a reference to 'NeXT' |
| 02:04.38 | Guerin | Jacobo221: yeah, I have; not on this current kernel, but on a previous one. |
| 02:04.43 | peterS | asg: aha |
| 02:04.53 | budluva | Guerin, how do i get eth1 recognizes? it uses the same driver as eth0 rtl8139 |
| 02:04.58 | MrPoopyPants | I run alsa compiled into my kernel and it works great |
| 02:05.03 | Guerin | budluva: man interfaces |
| 02:05.12 | Guerin | !man interfaces |
| 02:05.13 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
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| 02:05.26 | Guerin | budluva: use the "static" stanza there |
| 02:05.36 | Guerin | man |
| 02:05.41 | budluva | oh |
| 02:05.42 | peterS | budluva: 'rtl8139' suggests that you are still using a 2.2 kernel. it's hard for us to continue to support that one |
| 02:05.46 | Guerin | too much cola, I'm jitterin' |
| 02:05.54 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: strange. as a builtin -> didn't work. as a module -> works like a charm :-/ |
| 02:05.56 | peterS | budluva: does 'ifconfig -a' see both eth0 and eth1, though? |
| 02:05.58 | Guerin | hrm, yeah |
| 02:06.00 | asg | Guerin: breath .. ooooohm |
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| 02:06.17 | asg | s/breath/breathe/ |
| 02:06.19 | budluva | peterS yes, shows both with -a |
| 02:06.27 | Guerin | Jacobo221: yeah, at one point (around 2.6.7) I could only get it working as a builtin |
| 02:06.50 | peterS | budluva: ahh. so, the 8139 driver brought up both cards. but you don't have an "auto eth1" line in /etc/network/interfaces, so eth1 doesn't get automatically configured |
| 02:06.51 | Guerin | budluva: you ARE boooted into 2.6.8, right? |
| 02:06.51 | Jacobo221 | so maybe now it's the other way round... |
| 02:07.21 | Guerin | Jacobo221: yeah, maybe so. I might seem to know a bit about alsa, but it's actually mostly guess and check |
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| 02:07.50 | budluva | peterS, ya, im lookin at interfaces right now, only an entry for lo and eth0 |
| 02:07.55 | becobaf | If I set a variable FOO="host1 host2 host3" how do I get a script to do ping host1 followed by ping host2 etc ? |
| 02:07.59 | Guerin | Jacobo221: this is partly to do with me having a stupid and evil sound card, though |
| 02:08.00 | peterS | budluva: right. you know what you need to do, then (: |
| 02:08.02 | budluva | Guerin, ya im booted to 2.6.8 |
| 02:08.08 | Guerin | budluva: just checkin' |
| 02:08.30 | budluva | peterS add iface eth1 inet static |
| 02:08.31 | budluva | ?? |
| 02:08.36 | Guerin | budluva: man interfaces |
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| 02:08.49 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: lol. i can imagine. if my all-mighty-common SB Live! card has given me so much problems... ;) |
| 02:08.55 | asg | becobaf: for i in $FOO; do ping $i ; done |
| 02:09.00 | budluva | then address 192.168.0.1 and netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:09.02 | Jacobo221 | Guerin: well, thanks a lot for your help. you've been really helpfull |
| 02:09.10 | Guerin | Jacobo221: you're welcome |
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| 02:10.26 | grendal_prime | ok is it me...or is the whole quicktime thing a pain in the ass? |
| 02:10.46 | grendal_prime | i mean..i want to watch the new startwars trailer..but ...no sound |
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| 02:10.57 | initech | grendal_prime: um, i play quicktimes with xine or mplayer all the time |
| 02:10.57 | budluva | Guerin, ok i added that line, now how do i activate eth1? |
| 02:11.06 | grendal_prime | and you get sound? |
| 02:11.11 | Guerin | budluva: ifup eth1 |
| 02:11.23 | grendal_prime | try this...go to starwars.com and look at the trailer |
| 02:11.25 | budluva | nm got it |
| 02:11.32 | initech | grendal_prime: oh, well, trailers usually use he most newfangled crap there is, even windows users have to download new shit to play them |
| 02:11.37 | budluva | ok, its up, ifconfig shows it, but xp machine still doesnt have internet |
| 02:11.40 | JM|lopki | try vlc grendal_prime and/or 'ffmpeg' |
| 02:11.44 | budluva | you sure i dont have to config ipmasq? |
| 02:12.05 | grendal_prime | vlc? |
| 02:12.11 | Guerin | budluva: positive. As long as you have a route set correctly on the client machines... |
| 02:12.17 | budluva | yes |
| 02:12.20 | asg | grendal_prime: /msg dpkg vlc |
| 02:12.33 | Guerin | budluva: you might need to restart networking on the server, you'll probably need to reboot the d0z3r |
| 02:12.37 | budluva | xp machine's ip is set to 192.168.0.2 255.255.255.0 and gateway = 192.168.0.1 |
| 02:12.39 | budluva | 192.168. |
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| 02:12.47 | budluva | 192.168.0.1 = eth1's ip |
| 02:12.53 | Guerin | that's correct |
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| 02:12.55 | budluva | ya |
| 02:12.57 | budluva | thats how i have it |
| 02:13.06 | budluva | so ill reboot both machines just to be safe and check it out |
| 02:13.07 | JM|lopki | can you ping the gateway? |
| 02:13.17 | Guerin | budluva: don't reboot your debian box |
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| 02:13.33 | grendal_prime | ya im installing right now |
| 02:13.37 | budluva | no i cant ping gateway |
| 02:13.41 | JM|lopki | firewall? |
| 02:13.46 | Guerin | budluva: bounce the d0zer |
| 02:14.00 | Guerin | or better still |
| 02:14.10 | Guerin | nuke the whole damn shop and install a real OS :) |
| 02:14.19 | budluva | lol |
| 02:14.31 | asg | Guerin: 's the only way to be sure |
| 02:14.39 | Guerin | goddamn right |
| 02:14.48 | pipeline | asg, Guerin: stairs house lolol pusherbots omg roofles we r 2 cool |
| 02:15.17 | Guerin | hrm, it's time to watch the first two alien movies again |
| 02:15.30 | asg | Guerin: yeah, haven't seen those in a bit |
| 02:15.31 | JM|lopki | alien \o/ |
| 02:15.43 | JM|lopki | teh rule |
| 02:15.49 | Guerin | yeah |
| 02:15.59 | Guerin | one of the five greatest scifi films of all time |
| 02:16.07 | JM|lopki | jier |
| 02:16.17 | budluva | Guerin, ok, rebooted xp machine, and still cant ping gateway |
| 02:16.34 | JM|lopki | can you ping the client from the gateway? |
| 02:16.47 | budluva | no |
| 02:16.49 | Guerin | budluva: from your debian box, apt-get install nmap && nmap localhost |
| 02:16.49 | xwind | how to fsck when init returns an input output error during boot on recovery mode? |
| 02:16.52 | budluva | how do i restart the network? |
| 02:17.02 | Guerin | xwind: your drive is fucked, mate |
| 02:17.16 | asg | budluva: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:17.18 | Guerin | budluva: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:17.21 | Guerin | aye |
| 02:17.37 | JM|lopki | what does /var/log/messages say .. when you rebootet the client is there a network related message when the xp network went up again? |
| 02:17.48 | asg | JM|lopki: s/messages/syslog/ |
| 02:17.53 | asg | JM|lopki: on Debian boxes at any rate |
| 02:18.09 | budluva | hrmm |
| 02:18.10 | JM|lopki | oi |
| 02:18.16 | JM|lopki | ok asg |
| 02:18.26 | budluva | Guerin, ok restarted network, still nothing, what am i looking for in nmap? |
| 02:18.34 | xwind | tsk, tsk, but i can get it to boot in normal mode, apache and other services are running ok. is reformat and reinstall the only option? |
| 02:18.46 | asg | JM|lopki: syslog is where everything gets dumped (messages less so) |
| 02:18.56 | Guerin | budluva: if your xp machine can't even ping your de bian box, one of two things is amiss: 1) your debian box is dropping all packates due to a firewall 2) your wxp box is improperly configured, 3) your cable is fucked |
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| 02:19.10 | budluva | well i think its 1 |
| 02:19.28 | budluva | because xp is configed, and i know the cable works, i had this setup fine in fedora, it worked before |
| 02:19.36 | JM|lopki | did you install a firwall bud .. shorewall or something? |
| 02:19.38 | Guerin | budluva: if nmap returns any port information (what's open, what's closed, etc) then you're not firewalled off ... at least not to localhost. |
| 02:19.40 | budluva | Guerin, so how do i tell if my debian machine is running a firewall? |
| 02:19.52 | budluva | Guerin, shows 4 ports |
| 02:19.54 | asg | budluva: /sbin/iptables -vL |
| 02:19.55 | JM|lopki | ps aux |
| 02:19.59 | Guerin | budluva: hold up, I'll nmap you |
| 02:20.20 | budluva | eth1 is not shown anywhere in iptables |
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| 02:20.25 | Sturzflut | budluva: also iptables -vL to see if you have any rules set that you don't know about |
| 02:20.37 | Sturzflut | budluva: do your routing tables look right? |
| 02:20.37 | budluva | maybe because when i installed ipmasq eth1 was not showing, that might be? |
| 02:20.37 | Lord-Cereburus | hey guys, got a quick question(i hope) |
| 02:20.53 | Lord-Cereburus | i tried to install kernel 2.4.18 and it runs fine |
| 02:20.54 | Lord-Cereburus | but |
| 02:20.54 | budluva | Sturzflut, eth1 is not anywhere in iptables |
| 02:20.59 | Lord-Cereburus | it doesnt reconize my NIC |
| 02:21.06 | Lord-Cereburus | (DFE-538Tx) |
| 02:21.06 | asg | Lord-Cereburus: what card? |
| 02:21.13 | Guerin | budluva: so you'll see a ton of incoming requests from my ip if you check your logs |
| 02:21.13 | Lord-Cereburus | and modconf wont run |
| 02:21.24 | Lord-Cereburus | no error either, just brings me to a new line(prompt) |
| 02:22.25 | Guerin | budluva: ok, worksforme; if I can ping you, then your local lan shouldn't be locked out. I bet it's option 2 or 3. |
| 02:22.30 | Lord-Cereburus | i know that the DFE538TX uses the realtek chipset |
| 02:22.42 | Lord-Cereburus | but getting into modconf seems to be the issue |
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| 02:22.58 | Guerin | Lord-Cereburus: modprobe 8139too |
| 02:22.58 | Lord-Cereburus | and when i could get into modconf, it wouldnt install, "file not found" errors |
| 02:23.02 | Lord-Cereburus | ok |
| 02:23.14 | Sturzflut | budluva: does ifconfig show 0 for RX and TX bytes for eth1? |
| 02:23.51 | Lord-Cereburus | sorry "no such device" |
| 02:23.54 | xwind | Guerin, my system is all down. Tnx 4 ur help anyway. |
| 02:23.56 | Lord-Cereburus | just got that one now again |
| 02:24.04 | budluva | rx 346 tx 12 |
| 02:24.11 | Lord-Cereburus | but the device is there, it was working fine on kernel 2.2 |
| 02:24.12 | Guerin | Lord-Cereburus: then you don't have an 8139 eth card |
| 02:24.25 | Lord-Cereburus | yes i do, i checked the dlink site |
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| 02:24.29 | Lord-Cereburus | thats what they say at least |
| 02:24.47 | Guerin | budluva: that's effectively nothign |
| 02:24.57 | Guerin | Lord-Cereburus: what does lspci say? |
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| 02:25.09 | Sturzflut | budluva: you're sure your routing table is correct? |
| 02:25.10 | budluva | Guerin, so can i remove ipmasq and try installing again, now that eth1 is up? |
| 02:25.18 | Guerin | budluva: no point |
| 02:25.20 | budluva | Sturzflut, i doubt it, theres no entries for eth1 |
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| 02:25.28 | Guerin | budluva: look at the output of route -n |
| 02:25.36 | Lord-Cereburus | i dont see ispci |
| 02:25.40 | Lord-Cereburus | all i see is insmod |
| 02:25.44 | patrycjusz | is there any config file fo xterm?? |
| 02:25.44 | asg | Lord-Cereburus: lspci, not ispci |
| 02:25.47 | Sturzflut | budluva: if eth1 isn't in the routing table then you need to setup a route :) |
| 02:25.51 | budluva | check #flood |
| 02:25.59 | Guerin | Lord-Cereburus: lspci, as in lo, there is pci information here! |
| 02:26.24 | Lord-Cereburus | sorry, font i'm using makes an i and an l look just about the same |
| 02:26.25 | Lord-Cereburus | hehe |
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| 02:26.43 | asg | patrycjusz: ~/.Xresources (man xterm /resources) |
| 02:26.49 | Lord-Cereburus | ah |
| 02:27.01 | Lord-Cereburus | RLT-8029(AS) |
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| 02:27.58 | Guerin | that's not a fucking Bono quote |
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| 02:28.36 | asg | Guerin: special iPod version, sanitized for your malaise |
| 02:28.47 | Guerin | asg: heh. U2 = tools |
| 02:28.59 | Guerin | moreso than they already were, I mean |
| 02:28.59 | asg | Guerin: ;) |
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| 02:29.10 | Lord-Cereburus | tried modprobe rtl-8029 |
| 02:29.12 | budluva | Guerin, so do my tables look ok? |
| 02:29.12 | Lord-Cereburus | nothing showed up |
| 02:29.35 | asg | Lord-Cereburus: does rtl8319 work? (modprobe rtl8319) |
| 02:29.45 | Guerin | budluva: they look ok to me but I'm not a routing expert ... lemme compare to my own box. |
| 02:30.15 | Lord-Cereburus | asg: "Can't locate module rtl8319" |
| 02:30.16 | JM|lopki | 8029 = via-rhine ? |
| 02:30.23 | asg | Lord-Cereburus: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 02:30.42 | Lord-Cereburus | 2.4.18-686 |
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| 02:30.59 | asg | Lord-Cereburus: hmmm, okay, nevermind |
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| 02:34.27 | Lord-Cereburus | i even tried for my other nic which is a sis900 and it gives the device not found |
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