| 00:00.02 | thomas_adam | Madeye: Are you for real? |
| 00:00.05 | michal_ | it doesn't feel normal to me. i'm sure it used to be about 30 - 40 times faster |
| 00:00.06 | GnuHippy | lol @ Madeye |
| 00:00.14 | scarynetworkguy | let's just all stop feeding the troll. |
| 00:00.30 | spart | is there such a thing as a wireless switch/hub ? so far i can only find routers. What i'd like to do is setup a homenetwork with my linux box as gateway/etc connected to a switch/hub with just regular cat5, and then connect laptop, etc over wireless. Could anyone recommend a hug/switch (or if that really doesnt exist - then a router that can act as just a switch)? |
| 00:00.41 | harryvetch | thomas-adam no reply in those chanells. |
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| 00:00.44 | asg | Phated: we tried irc with graphics during the whole vrml / metaverse / chat phase. Then the Sims came along and everyone lost interest. |
| 00:00.51 | Phated | asg: Hahaha. |
| 00:00.55 | thomas_adam | !tell harryvetch about piav |
| 00:01.01 | Madeye | Thank you guys anyway |
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| 00:01.14 | skyisblue | Madeye: we don't know. do you know why we exist on earth? |
| 00:01.15 | GnuHippy | Madeye pwnz |
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| 00:01.47 | michal_ | so given that i'm being ignored here after asking a perfectly reasonable question and demonstrating the problem, what other channel could I ask about this debian specific problem? |
| 00:01.51 | leikh | Is there a bug in sshd (testing) causing this (when trying to connect from a commersial ssh client (f-secure)): "Disconnected; no more authentication methods available (...)" ? |
| 00:01.57 | simonrvn | owns what? a free ticket to hell? |
| 00:02.04 | Madeye | skyisblue yeah, god want us to to worship us. |
| 00:02.04 | r1h | hi , anyone mucked around with sox for blending audio files? |
| 00:02.07 | thomas_adam | michal_: /J #thiscannelreallygivesashit |
| 00:02.20 | FieldySnuts | . |
| 00:02.25 | thomas_adam | michal_: Or alternatively, you can call them on 555-7862 |
| 00:02.27 | Phated | FieldySnuts: , |
| 00:02.30 | FieldySnuts | # |
| 00:02.34 | harryvetch | how far back does fsck support ext3? |
| 00:02.35 | Phated | Bah. |
| 00:02.36 | GnuHippy | yeah it is my TV Wonder card thomas_adam is there something I can do??????????????????? |
| 00:02.37 | helix | thomas_adam: c'mon. |
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| 00:02.42 | FieldySnuts | GOD lay off the ?'s |
| 00:02.43 | sussudio | !fuck GnuHippy |
| 00:02.44 | thomas_adam | Well, really... |
| 00:02.47 | FieldySnuts | @ep |
| 00:02.47 | ravenbird | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:02.52 | thomas_adam | I still fail to see what michal_'s complaining about. |
| 00:02.52 | GnuHippy | thanks sussudio |
| 00:02.58 | harryvetch | okay heheh!!1 |
| 00:03.00 | thomas_adam | michal_: Do some benchmarking.... |
| 00:03.07 | helix | maybe when you guys get really irritated with this channel you could just, you know, look away? |
| 00:03.20 | skyisblue | Madeye: i really dunno. |
| 00:03.20 | GnuHippy | !moron sussudio |
| 00:03.21 | dpkg | sussudio: You are moron #66 |
| 00:03.36 | helix | :| |
| 00:03.37 | thomas_adam | michal_: If things are really bad, strace the process. Get some evidence, some data that we can work with. |
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| 00:03.46 | Loof | Anyone know if there is a how-to of some sort for tuning/optimizing parport speed? |
| 00:03.50 | Phated | helix: They've gone beyond reason. |
| 00:03.53 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: yeah and then he'll try to paste it all here. |
| 00:03.59 | helix | so why bother antagonizing them? |
| 00:04.03 | Phated | FieldySnuts: And then he'll get kicked. Good. :) |
| 00:04.07 | FieldySnuts | true |
| 00:04.07 | helix | or do you mean the antagonists have gone beyond reason? |
| 00:04.13 | thomas_adam | Loof: You can pass values to the parport module -- you _might_ find something in the PLIP howto. |
| 00:04.17 | Madeye | I know it was weird question, it just came up in my mind. |
| 00:04.20 | harryvetch | mabey i can boot one of the older linux emergecny boot disk and use there fsck utility to repair my debian partitions? |
| 00:04.21 | Phated | helix: They meaning all or most of them. :) |
| 00:04.28 | michal_ | thomas_adam: you really need to go get a life.. perhaps something suited to your attitude.. like an abattoir. i showed you a benchmark. and you know how bad it is.. and strace doesn't reveal anything that can be clearly seen as a problem |
| 00:04.37 | Madeye | brb |
| 00:04.39 | FieldySnuts | michal_: no need for adhom attacks.. |
| 00:04.55 | michal_ | FieldySnuts: since when is a defense an attack? |
| 00:05.01 | FieldySnuts | okay, have fun. |
| 00:05.03 | helix | how philosophical :) |
| 00:05.03 | leikh | ooooops... no wonder why you didn't understand my question; s/commersial/commercial/ :) |
| 00:05.11 | thomas_adam | michal_: So is it just being slow generally (CPU intensive) or is it a perception issue? What about a comparison between apt-get and dpkg -i ? |
| 00:05.26 | Phated | thoreauputic: Pass it over, mate. |
| 00:05.33 | FieldySnuts | thoreauputic: yes, let's tune in for this weeks episode of.. Lamer Parade |
| 00:05.39 | harryvetch | can anyone recomend the use of the older linux emergecny boot disk and use there fsck utility to repair my debian partitions? |
| 00:05.41 | michal_ | it's just apt-get that's clearly slow.. i'll try dpkg now.. i normally have no need to use it directly |
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| 00:05.48 | thomas_adam | harryvetch: tomsrtbt |
| 00:05.49 | FieldySnuts | as sunday crawls across the planet |
| 00:05.54 | FieldySnuts | doom and darkness spreads. |
| 00:06.01 | thoreauputic | !sing sunday |
| 00:06.01 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 00:06.03 | harryvetch | what is tomstbt? |
| 00:06.05 | Phated | FieldySnuts: It's here. :/ And overly bright for my taste. |
| 00:06.11 | thomas_adam | harryvetch: www.toms.net/rb |
| 00:06.24 | michal_ | no.. dpkg -i is "normal" i guess.. real 0m8.812s .. |
| 00:06.38 | sussudio | !tell FieldySnuts about bunnies |
| 00:06.40 | FieldySnuts | note: don't try squeezing them. |
| 00:06.47 | thomas_adam | michal_: There is always going to be latency between apt-get downloading the packages, and dpkg installing them. |
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| 00:07.04 | michal_ | thomas: there is no latency in downloading off the local filesystem.. it just has to open the file |
| 00:07.19 | FieldySnuts | ,,, |
| 00:07.20 | thomas_adam | michal_: Is DMA on for your drives? |
| 00:07.31 | Phated | I don't see what you're whining about, michal_, I take plenty of time to download/install packages. |
| 00:07.38 | GnuHippy | how do enable dma hdparm? |
| 00:07.46 | FieldySnuts | hdparm -d1 /dev/whatever |
| 00:07.47 | thomas_adam | GnuHippy: edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 00:07.51 | caphuso | GnuHippy: by shitting in your pants more often |
| 00:07.54 | FieldySnuts | note some controllers and drives freak over it. watch logs. |
| 00:07.58 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: heh. |
| 00:08.20 | michal_ | thomas_adam: yes.. and it still doesn't explain why dpkg takes 8 seconds and apt-get takes 1 minute for the same file :/ |
| 00:08.44 | Phated | You're complaining about a 1-minute wait. :/ |
| 00:08.44 | FieldySnuts | user error? |
| 00:08.46 | thomas_adam | michal_: Personally speaking, I can't say I have noticed. |
| 00:08.50 | FieldySnuts | Phated: yeah... |
| 00:09.00 | scarynetworkguy | god what a fucking whiner. |
| 00:09.04 | Phated | FieldySnuts: How lame is it, seriously. :/ |
| 00:09.07 | FieldySnuts | and I thought I was a whiner |
| 00:09.08 | GnuHippy | is it possible to enable DMA on a SATA drive? |
| 00:09.12 | michal_ | Phated: it takes you 1 minite to install pwm from your hard drive? |
| 00:09.14 | FieldySnuts | GnuHippy: good question |
| 00:09.15 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Heh. |
| 00:09.15 | GnuHippy | and 32 block transfer |
| 00:09.27 | Phated | michal_: It takes me MORE than a minute to install many things. |
| 00:09.30 | FieldySnuts | GnuHippy: seeing as linux treats them as scsi devices (for now), i doubt it |
| 00:09.37 | GnuHippy | CRA{ |
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| 00:09.42 | GnuHippy | CRAP!!! |
| 00:09.43 | thomas_adam | michal_: Then try enabling DMA on your drives via 'hdparm'. |
| 00:09.49 | michal_ | phated: well if you're going to compare apples with oranges than it takes me many days to install some things |
| 00:09.52 | FieldySnuts | you could try. if it won't do it, it will error out. |
| 00:10.01 | FieldySnuts | oh god not that threat |
| 00:10.04 | FieldySnuts | go away child |
| 00:10.07 | _frank | im being dosed here... |
| 00:10.16 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: so fix your system. Clearly you are the only one with said problem so it it must be *YOU* |
| 00:10.18 | thomas_adam | _frank: C:\ ? |
| 00:10.19 | Phated | michal_: I mean, it takes me more than a minute to install a lot of different things. :/ |
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| 00:10.30 | _frank | no, packeting |
| 00:10.33 | _frank | how can i stopit? |
| 00:10.38 | FieldySnuts | I have gentoo on a commodore 64, don't tell me about slow |
| 00:10.39 | FieldySnuts | j/k |
| 00:10.43 | michal_ | thomas_adam: why to you insist on being rude. you ask me if dma is enabled and i tell you that it is.. then you tell me to enable dma. |
| 00:10.45 | GnuHippy | that is retarded no DMA on SATA drives |
| 00:10.47 | thomas_adam | _frank: remove the network cable. |
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| 00:11.01 | FieldySnuts | _frank: you can't. you can try to block it, but if it gets bad enough, your bandwidth will be saturated and you're screwed. call your isp. if you can't, you're screwed. |
| 00:11.02 | Phated | _frank: Crude, but works. :) |
| 00:11.21 | _frank | cant i locate the IP and block it? |
| 00:11.30 | caphuso | _frank: sure, but why? |
| 00:11.31 | thomas_adam | michal_: I wasn't being rude. I was trying to be useful to an otherwise obvious PEBKAC issue. |
| 00:11.40 | _frank | caphuso: then the ddos would stop? |
| 00:11.40 | asuffield | anybody who can use an IRC server is not being subjected to a DoS |
| 00:11.41 | asuffield | sheesh |
| 00:11.45 | scarynetworkguy | _frank: we dunno. Can you? |
| 00:11.46 | caphuso | _frank: no |
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| 00:11.55 | caphuso | _frank: the packets would still go down your line |
| 00:11.59 | michal_ | thomas_adam: the problem is with apt-get as dpkg clearly doesn't have the problem.. so what configuration changes can i make to apt-get ? |
| 00:12.10 | _frank | caphuso: ok |
| 00:12.15 | FieldySnuts | which is why i mentioned saturation, but of course what I said was ignored. have fun, that was my advice |
| 00:12.21 | _frank | will it not work just to deny ICMP |
| 00:12.23 | _frank | ? |
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| 00:12.23 | skyisblue | _frank: labrea.sf.net |
| 00:12.29 | thomas_adam | michal_: you could install apt-spy to use the best and fastest mirror, but essentially, nothing. |
| 00:12.41 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: since no one else in the fucking universe has the problem what make syou think it's a apt-get problem? |
| 00:12.41 | FieldySnuts | todays DoS/DDoS attacks are rarely just icmp, they're every protocol under the sun |
| 00:12.49 | Phated | I'd suggest you just dpkg'ed the package if it was already on your drive, since it isn't downloading it that's causing trouble. |
| 00:12.55 | FieldySnuts | install tcpdump and find out what they are: tcpdump -n (prepare to be flooded, ctl-c to exit) |
| 00:12.56 | michal_ | thomas_adam: so it's normal for apt-get to take 52 seconds to call dpkg to install a file off the local fielsystem? |
| 00:12.56 | simonrvn | even IPX? |
| 00:13.00 | budluva | anyone know what /var/www/docbook-dsssl is for? |
| 00:13.02 | caphuso | _frank: how many people do you need telling you that you can't do anything on your end of the connection? |
| 00:13.03 | FieldySnuts | i've seen it |
| 00:13.05 | GnuHippy | so does anybody out there know if there is a way to enable DMA on a SATA hdd???????? |
| 00:13.09 | asuffield | normally they're just udp floods. but he's not being attacked, since he's here |
| 00:13.14 | thomas_adam | michal_: I'm going around in circles with you. |
| 00:13.19 | FieldySnuts | STOP with the excessive ?'s god that is annoying |
| 00:13.26 | michal_ | and presumably it takes 52 seconds or similar for EACH time it calls dpkg. |
| 00:13.36 | thomas_adam | michal_: I'm passed caring now. Please... |
| 00:13.44 | Phated | michal_: SO call it directly. Duh. I mean it would work. |
| 00:13.51 | scarynetworkguy | GnuHippy: Kind of defeats the whole point doesn't it? |
| 00:13.53 | FieldySnuts | and I already told you to just try it. if hdparm shits then no you cannot. there is no need for dma on sata in that case. oh and you already threatened to go back to windows (your loss) so why am I wasting my time |
| 00:14.01 | michal_ | phated: sure.. and it would also be as usable as rpm |
| 00:14.16 | FieldySnuts | rpm heh |
| 00:14.18 | Phated | michal_: See what thomas_adam said re caring. |
| 00:14.25 | FieldySnuts | this is gonna be a bad sunday i can see. |
| 00:14.33 | caphuso | michal_: have you tried strace on apt-get to see what it does while wasting time? |
| 00:14.35 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: handy little tool called /ignore -replies foo works wonders ;) |
| 00:14.37 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: Better yet fix your fucking system. |
| 00:14.38 | FieldySnuts | still 5 hours away here |
| 00:14.44 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: in irssi at least, yeah |
| 00:14.48 | thoreauputic | michal_: why exactly do you think you are the only person I've ever seen make these complaints? |
| 00:14.49 | Phated | caphuso: He did, and nothing showed up as the cause, he says. |
| 00:15.01 | GnuHippy | how is it my loss if I can't get good drive transfers in linux |
| 00:15.02 | GnuHippy | ?? |
| 00:15.10 | FieldySnuts | done biting your trollbait.. |
| 00:15.11 | simonrvn | .... |
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| 00:15.14 | scarynetworkguy | yeah right that's what he did. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. |
| 00:15.17 | Phated | WTF. |
| 00:15.22 | simonrvn | 6~6~~67 |
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| 00:15.25 | GnuHippy | wtf how is it trollbait |
| 00:15.26 | GnuHippy | ?? |
| 00:15.31 | felipe | hi there |
| 00:15.35 | scarynetworkguy | GnuHippy: so install windows and gtf away. |
| 00:15.40 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: i didn't write apt.. don't know how to fix it. |
| 00:15.43 | simonrvn | felipe: hi |
| 00:15.50 | Phated | NOT enabling it isn't going to really kill your system, you know. :/ |
| 00:15.57 | michal_ | caphuso: not sure. looks like it MIGHT be getting timeofday a billion times |
| 00:15.57 | pngwn | c |
| 00:16.02 | sussudio | in soviet russia, system kills you. |
| 00:16.11 | caphuso | michal_: that's normal |
| 00:16.12 | simonrvn | sussudio: no kidding |
| 00:16.22 | sussudio | simonrvn: nope. communism failed. |
| 00:16.24 | budluva | anyone know what docbook-dsssl is? |
| 00:16.24 | Phated | Best SR joke EVAR. |
| 00:16.28 | GnuHippy | I tried copy things from cd and it was slow and killed my whole system resources |
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| 00:16.29 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: YOU ARE THE ONLY FUCKING PERSON ON LOKI'S GREEN EARTH HAVING SAID PROBLEM. YOU DO THE FUCKING MATH! |
| 00:16.32 | budluva | its in my apache www dir |
| 00:16.50 | simonrvn | sussudio: i was thinking gulags, but whatever |
| 00:17.03 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: not according to thoreauputic. he seems to think it's common |
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| 00:17.19 | Phated | michal_: He's seen many whiners. |
| 00:17.28 | felipe | Something strange is going on when I browse sites |
| 00:17.29 | simonrvn | budluva: apt-cache show docbook-dsssl maybe |
| 00:17.43 | budluva | simonrvn, ya i dont know why its sitting in my www dir though |
| 00:17.51 | GnuHippy | scary calm down |
| 00:17.57 | felipe | The screen gets crazy and becomes stripped |
| 00:18.01 | FieldySnuts | you guys are being trolled. |
| 00:18.04 | budluva | simonrvn, after apt-get install apache i got that in my www dir |
| 00:18.07 | thoreauputic | michal_: parse error: you didn't understand my sentence |
| 00:18.10 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: yes. |
| 00:18.12 | budluva | simonrvn, you think it would be safe to delete it? |
| 00:18.12 | Gob | hi all. Someone can tell me please where can I ask some questions about firewall and Apache. Thanks ! |
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| 00:18.17 | Phated | felipe: The naked women will disappear once you close the browser... :) |
| 00:18.21 | FieldySnuts | heh.. |
| 00:18.27 | FieldySnuts | but Phated wants to see them first |
| 00:18.30 | simonrvn | budluva: must have to do with the docs. probably some of them in html format |
| 00:18.36 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *thwack* |
| 00:18.37 | budluva | na |
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| 00:18.44 | FieldySnuts | HEH ngz |
| 00:18.46 | FieldySnuts | er nvz |
| 00:18.51 | simonrvn | budluva: it's a symlink |
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| 00:18.55 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Learn to use tab-complete. :) |
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| 00:18.58 | budluva | simonrvn, .eps .pdf .gif |
| 00:18.59 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 00:19.02 | michal_ | i think you should just get rid of the debian bug tracking system.. clearly nobody cares about bugs in debian |
| 00:19.07 | Phated | WOW. |
| 00:19.08 | FieldySnuts | michal_: oh god. nice troll |
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| 00:19.15 | FieldySnuts | HEHE |
| 00:19.16 | FieldySnuts | jagoff |
| 00:19.18 | budluva | simonrvn, well do i need it or what? |
| 00:19.21 | Phated | michal_: I think you should get rid of Debian, clearly we don't care about you. |
| 00:19.29 | thoreauputic | michal_: I'll punctuate it for you to clarify: why exactly, do you think, you are the only person I've ever seen make these complaints? |
| 00:19.30 | felipe | LOL |
| 00:19.34 | simonrvn | budluva: hmm. /me checks it out. well, it's there for a reason. |
| 00:19.38 | FieldySnuts | thoreauputic: he left. troll and run., |
| 00:19.45 | Phated | Hm... |
| 00:19.46 | budluva | simonrvn, ok |
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| 00:19.52 | FieldySnuts | what's the use of trolling then leaving? miss the fun |
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| 00:19.56 | Gob | Sorry ! but I must Repeat ! ... |
| 00:19.58 | Gob | hi all. Someone can tell me please where can I ask some questions about firewall and Apache. Thanks ! |
| 00:20.02 | Phated | Yeah the flames and the burning... |
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| 00:20.09 | Phated | Gob: #apache or something. |
| 00:20.15 | scarynetworkguy | Gob: http://www.google.com |
| 00:20.20 | simonrvn | Gob: #apache, #iptables |
| 00:20.24 | felipe | Lemme try again |
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| 00:20.37 | mboso | anyone know how to start a second Xsession WITHOUT a window manager? i keep getting twm or whatever this is, when i use startx -- :1 |
| 00:20.53 | FieldySnuts | yeah. edit ~/.xinitrc after you start the first, comment out everything |
| 00:20.55 | gilles | could my sound problem (i can only listen to audio CDs) come from the kernel ? |
| 00:20.59 | thoreauputic | mboso: xinit -- :1 |
| 00:21.01 | Wyzard | mboso: startx /path/to/program/to/run -- :1 |
| 00:21.15 | Wyzard | mboso: X has to run *something*... it defaults to a window manager, but you can tell it to run an xterm or something |
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| 00:21.32 | mboso | Wyzard : cool. thanks a lot |
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| 00:21.42 | titan | can someone pelase assist me.. I have installed named ... and setup a forward zone.. with an A record for my machine, and setup the resolv.conf file.. I still cannot ping my hostname using dnx |
| 00:21.45 | titan | dns |
| 00:21.46 | FieldySnuts | i tell it cat /dev/zero > /dev/null |
| 00:21.49 | FieldySnuts | kidding |
| 00:22.02 | felipe | Not stripped but white and gray strips |
| 00:22.13 | Wyzard | mboso: You can launch a GNOME session from another host, for example, with a command like: startx "/usr/bin/ssh -CX remotehost gnome-session" -- :1 |
| 00:22.20 | felipe | Is it understandable? |
| 00:22.22 | evian | Hi everyone. I just installed Apache, but I am unsure of how I can host multiple websites, for different users. |
| 00:22.24 | simonrvn | sounds like the video |
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| 00:22.53 | simonrvn | evian: VirtualHost - apt-get install apache-doc |
| 00:22.59 | servo888 | Anybody know of a webbased iptables management software? |
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| 00:23.19 | danthekiwi | hey is something broken in sarge? just apt-getted 2.6.8 kernel sources, when i make menuconfig i get a bunch of compile errors |
| 00:23.28 | danthekiwi | something with fixdep.c |
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| 00:24.07 | evian | Thanks simon, looking up virtualhost now. |
| 00:24.12 | skyisblue_ | danthekiwi: module-init-tools |
| 00:24.16 | nvz | imagine that, someone who didnt even read the errors wants to know if something is broken in sarge |
| 00:24.26 | harryvetch | fuckit im not getting the help to get this debian to run right. Im disapointed in debian not able to fix some of its errors on the drive |
| 00:24.41 | dyxmert | i have this problem - somewhy, shutdown -r now does not work, while -h works somewhat buggy. the system is somewhat ancient - it was started as the potato r0, later upgraded to unstable... I've tried upgraded various things like inittools and base, didn't help... so I guess this is the scripts problem, but I can't figure out which |
| 00:24.43 | danthekiwi | nvz: i did exactly what i did yesterday to compile on my laptop, today it didnt work |
| 00:24.45 | danthekiwi | sorry? |
| 00:24.51 | felipe | it seems like X is screwed or something |
| 00:25.01 | danthekiwi | skyisblue_ i did install that before i tried to compile |
| 00:25.10 | simonrvn | felipe: that,s what i thought |
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| 00:26.50 | skyisblue_ | danthekiwi: weird. try kernel.org kernel 2.6.10-rc1 |
| 00:27.20 | titan | when you do a ping command but use hostname instead of ip address.. does it go to the resolv.conf file to find the dns first? |
| 00:27.36 | titan | this is driving m nuts |
| 00:27.50 | simonrvn | titan: it's in /etc/network/options |
| 00:28.07 | simonrvn | titan: sorry, sec |
| 00:28.32 | BongBot | Announcement from my owner (steve): hello |
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| 00:29.15 | ]Frag[ | hello |
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| 00:29.38 | simonrvn | ]Frag[: please make that bot leave |
| 00:29.38 | rich_ | hi |
| 00:29.43 | simonrvn | hi |
| 00:29.52 | ]Frag[ | what? |
| 00:29.53 | titan | simonrvn.. /etc/network/options? definately this? |
| 00:30.01 | ]Frag[ | simonrvn: what bot? |
| 00:30.05 | simonrvn | titan: no, wrong file. i'm checking now |
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| 00:30.20 | simonrvn | ]Frag[: never mind |
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| 00:31.08 | ]Frag[ | im having swome trouble configuring the mouse for x... /dev/mouse doesnt exist :| |
| 00:31.18 | danthekiwi | what sort of mouse |
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| 00:31.34 | loke__ | what the fuck |
| 00:31.48 | ]Frag[ | danthekiwi: just a standard ps/2 |
| 00:31.52 | Wyzard | ]Frag[: /dev/mouse isn't a device file... it's generally a symlink which points to the actual device file, such as /dev/input/mice or /dev/psaux |
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| 00:31.54 | danthekiwi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.00 | loke__ | how come i cant get my tftpd working? |
| 00:32.08 | FieldySnuts | you tell us |
| 00:32.09 | simonrvn | titan: /etc/host.conf |
| 00:32.09 | ]Frag[ | Wyzard: let me check psaux :) i tried all /input/mice :) |
| 00:32.22 | Wyzard | ]Frag[: What kernel are you running? |
| 00:32.23 | danthekiwi | ]Frag[ cat /dev/psaux then move yer mouse |
| 00:32.25 | danthekiwi | fun stuff. |
| 00:32.36 | evian | How do I restart Apache? |
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| 00:32.46 | Wyzard | ]Frag[: Under 2.4 kernels, /dev/input/mice is for USB mice, and /dev/psaux is for PS/2 mice |
| 00:32.51 | ]Frag[ | Wyzard: thanks it was psaux |
| 00:32.51 | simonrvn | with the init script or invoke-rc.d |
| 00:32.53 | loke__ | can anyone help me with my tftpd, i cant get it to work, i am doing: in.tftpd -l -c -s /home/loke |
| 00:32.58 | ]Frag[ | wow my sound works |
| 00:33.00 | ]Frag[ | amaing |
| 00:33.02 | ]Frag[ | amazing* |
| 00:33.07 | loke__ | ]Frag[ nice |
| 00:33.13 | ]Frag[ | i havnt set it up yet ;) |
| 00:33.15 | Wyzard | ]Frag[: Under 2.6 kernels, /dev/input/mice handles both USB and PS/2 mice, and /dev/psaux is just there for backward compatibility |
| 00:33.19 | titan | simonrvn: so the host file has a record for nameserver ? |
| 00:33.21 | thomas_adam | loke__: Don't run it from inetd. |
| 00:33.26 | ]Frag[ | Wyzard: ahh i see |
| 00:33.27 | loke__ | thomas_adam im not |
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| 00:34.06 | loke__ | thomas_adam what is the damn problem? |
| 00:34.32 | thomas_adam | loke__: Not sure. I assume you're no further than before? |
| 00:34.33 | loke__ | thomas_adam im gonna try a new tftpd app |
| 00:34.47 | loke__ | thomas_adam correct, i gave up for a while |
| 00:35.25 | simonrvn | titan: no, it configures what is checked first. /etc/hosts is for what you mentioned |
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| 00:36.16 | ]Frag[ | in the apt-thingy is kernel-sources-blah prepatched or what not? |
| 00:36.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 00:36.35 | ]Frag[ | simonrvn: ok thanks |
| 00:37.52 | FieldySnuts | badgers? |
| 00:38.04 | simonrvn | badgersnipes |
| 00:38.07 | FieldySnuts | geh |
| 00:38.25 | loke__ | thomas_adam i got it |
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| 00:38.33 | thomas_adam | loke__: ? |
| 00:38.38 | loke__ | thomas_adam i dunno man |
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| 00:38.49 | tracer | What is a good FTP server?? |
| 00:38.58 | thomas_adam | tracer: There aren't any. |
| 00:39.04 | loke__ | thomas_adam debian sarge comes with tftpd by default??? |
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| 00:39.08 | tracer | mmmkay, so what should i use? |
| 00:39.09 | xjp | tracer: vsftpd |
| 00:39.17 | skyisblue_ | tracer: see kernel.org |
| 00:39.23 | tracer | mmkay |
| 00:39.27 | tracer | ill check all those out |
| 00:39.29 | tracer | thanks |
| 00:39.50 | loke__ | thomas_adam, all i did was apt remove tftpd, and apt install tftpd-hpa, now the man page is the different and it works |
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| 00:40.09 | loke__ | thomas_adam its now the man page i am familiar with |
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| 00:40.43 | loke__ | thomas_adam thanks for trying to help |
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| 00:42.04 | danthekiwi | man this error is annoying |
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| 00:42.37 | danthekiwi | noone knows what the problem is? 2.6.8 compile i get a bunch of errors with fixdep.c when i type make menuconfig |
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| 00:43.45 | simonrvn | resiak: btw, i know you were joking. it's cool |
| 00:43.51 | loke__ | thomas_adam i dunno man, if you need tftpd apt-get install tftpd-hpa fuck the other daemons |
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| 00:44.07 | thomas_adam | loke__: :) |
| 00:44.24 | loke__ | thomas_adam yep, stoked =) |
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| 00:44.34 | luctor_ | why doesnt mailman save changes made on the web interface ? |
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| 00:44.47 | Raf256 | ciao a tutti! |
| 00:44.50 | Raf256 | just kidding ;) re |
| 00:45.21 | simonrvn | luctor_: lackin permission to do so? |
| 00:45.25 | simonrvn | g |
| 00:45.48 | ]Frag[ | hummm "make menuconfig" wants ncurses-devel but that doesnt exist on apt ?? |
| 00:45.55 | luctor_ | simonrvn: dont now it doesnt say anything and check_perm is fine |
| 00:45.58 | danthekiwi | libncurses5 |
| 00:46.00 | simonrvn | it does. |
| 00:46.04 | danthekiwi | ]Frag[ ^^ |
| 00:46.06 | simonrvn | libncurses5-dev |
| 00:46.10 | danthekiwi | or that |
| 00:46.12 | danthekiwi | ;) |
| 00:46.13 | ]Frag[ | ... |
| 00:46.16 | ]Frag[ | 1 sec :| |
| 00:46.17 | jbr | danthekiwi: see dependencies in /usr/share/doc/kernel-source-*/debian.README.gz |
| 00:46.32 | FieldySnuts | man. amazing the difference a good scsi card and drives makes speedwise. even older ones |
| 00:46.38 | ]Frag[ | what ya know :D thnx |
| 00:46.40 | simonrvn | luctor_: see if it's set tp private/ maybe? |
| 00:46.41 | Raf256 | btw |
| 00:46.47 | Raf256 | SATA drivers work as ATA? |
| 00:46.55 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: yes ;) |
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| 00:47.09 | Raf256 | I meaan - they are called dev/hda -b -c -d and I can have total of 4 devices ATA+SATA+cd-rom-ata-etc ? |
| 00:47.19 | FieldySnuts | dual P3 900 i'm messing with, in this massive server case, bunch of U160 drives |
| 00:47.21 | FieldySnuts | very nice |
| 00:47.22 | luctor_ | simonrvn: web interface say public |
| 00:47.32 | FieldySnuts | adaptec 2100s card |
| 00:47.35 | danthekiwi | what do you know simonrvn that was the answer to my problem too lol |
| 00:47.47 | danthekiwi | i had apt-getted libncurses5 |
| 00:47.47 | FieldySnuts | with 128MB cache on board, i bet that's why it feels so freakin fast |
| 00:47.54 | danthekiwi | not libncurses5-dev |
| 00:47.58 | felipe | Reinstall X is something that should be considered? |
| 00:47.59 | simonrvn | nice. i just got an aaa-131u2 card recently. nice so far |
| 00:48.01 | FieldySnuts | oops, 256MB. |
| 00:48.02 | FieldySnuts | damn. |
| 00:48.13 | simonrvn | niiice cache |
| 00:48.22 | FieldySnuts | explains why i can untar a 2.6 kernel in about 3 seconds |
| 00:48.27 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 00:48.44 | FieldySnuts | wish it was mine, the best part is there's a second one yet |
| 00:49.03 | simonrvn | luctor_: i know it's web interface, but is the list set private? otherwise dunno |
| 00:49.41 | simonrvn | got a pair of 18 gb - raid1+lvm. sweet |
| 00:50.25 | FieldySnuts | damn! |
| 00:50.32 | FieldySnuts | i forgot to try lvm on this thing. oh well it's a test install |
| 00:50.47 | FieldySnuts | raid 5 or 50 on this thing, i forget which, i didn't set up the arrays |
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| 00:50.55 | luctor_ | simonrvn: not sure what you mean, but I sat members only |
| 00:51.02 | FieldySnuts | or do i mean 51, whatever |
| 00:51.05 | simonrvn | luctor_: it's ok |
| 00:51.06 | FieldySnuts | where you have two raid5 arrays mirrored |
| 00:51.30 | simonrvn | i think 5+1, not sure |
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| 00:52.35 | morex | who |
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| 00:53.12 | Knight_Lord | nice and quiet |
| 00:53.15 | steve____ | hey- check out #theparty |
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| 00:53.28 | sussudio | steve____: no. and take your goddamn bot with you |
| 00:53.32 | simonrvn | steve____: no thanks |
| 00:53.50 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:54.01 | sussudio | helix? |
| 00:54.17 | helix | bah. what. |
| 00:54.25 | sussudio | helix: can you put a ban on adsl-67-118-3-0.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net? |
| 00:54.39 | sussudio | helix: it just spammed the channel with that channel invite and there's a bot here with that mask. |
| 00:54.54 | helix | ah |
| 00:54.55 | simonrvn | i second that +b |
| 00:55.10 | sussudio | it keeps changing it's nick. it's "Generalissimo" now. |
| 00:55.14 | simonrvn | ...if that's possible =) |
| 00:55.19 | bwlang | my brain's fried... anybody have a suggestion for a quick good game? |
| 00:55.22 | sussudio | Generalissimo is ~supybot@adsl-67-118-3-0.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net * Supybot 0.80.0pre2Generalissimo on @#eastbay @#theparty #debian |
| 00:55.23 | Generalissimo | sussudio: Error: 'is' is not a valid command. |
| 00:55.27 | sussudio | ooh. |
| 00:55.34 | sussudio | it speaks. |
| 00:55.38 | simonrvn | there it is the fucking thing |
| 00:55.41 | sussudio | Generalissimo: die |
| 00:55.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 00:55.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-67-118-3-0.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] by helix |
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| 00:55.41 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 00:55.51 | simonrvn | thank you :) |
| 00:55.58 | Raf256 | me to me to - some good game, in OpenGL |
| 00:56.09 | sussudio | Raf256: bzflag |
| 00:56.11 | Raf256 | is there some _free_ OpenGl shute-them-up like quake? |
| 00:56.18 | sussudio | Raf256: if that was an actual question |
| 00:56.19 | Raf256 | some FPP, but not just a port |
| 00:56.56 | shingouz | helix: out of curiosity: is that request a real request or a "leave or else..."? |
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| 00:57.10 | helix | shingouz: what request? |
| 00:57.10 | EvilIdler | Torus Trooper would be great..if the author ported it to Linux etc.: http://www.quartertothree.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15015 |
| 00:57.12 | useruser | bwlang: nethack... usually quick if you brain is fried |
| 00:57.33 | Raf256 | how can I change speed of keyboard (delay bewfore autorepeat and speed of it) for all users? where is config file for that? |
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| 00:57.44 | shingouz | helix: the "leave, please" or was it just a fancy way to say "kick" |
| 00:57.44 | helix | shingouz: it's just a notice; I kickbanned them |
| 00:57.49 | shingouz | :) |
| 00:57.55 | shingouz | that is what i thought |
| 00:57.59 | helix | it uses /remove, not kick |
| 00:58.14 | yanger | I got a averatec laptop, and i'm installing linux on it, which module would be required to access the 802.11b/g wireless onboard adapter? |
| 00:58.14 | simonrvn | /abr is teh r0x0r |
| 00:58.16 | shingouz | ah... i think i need to read up a bit on irc too |
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| 00:58.33 | Raf256 | btw, |
| 00:58.47 | Raf256 | is it possible to make out living as a open-source/etc programmer |
| 00:58.50 | TNKS | Does anybody know a little bit about how IMAP works? |
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| 00:59.05 | Raf256 | TNKS: perhaps read PHP.net manual on IMAP access |
| 00:59.06 | yanger | Raf256, with goverment grants, yes |
| 00:59.16 | EvilIdler | I know a kernel-slacker who's doing very well working for RedHat |
| 00:59.39 | Raf256 | yanger: and withoput them, but in such way: I write some nice program, then I offer free version _And_ a bit better version for low cost |
| 00:59.48 | Raf256 | (like - with a manual, on a CD, etc etc) |
| 00:59.51 | Knight_Lord | yanger you need to search google for information on your speficic laptop |
| 00:59.59 | Raf256 | I wonder would ppl accualy buy it |
| 01:00.04 | Raf256 | assuming program is quite good |
| 01:00.07 | yanger | so i need to know what chipset it uses? |
| 01:00.08 | TNKS | As a client (no admin control), can I change the file where my mail is sent? |
| 01:00.18 | TNKS | can I do that from the .login script? |
| 01:00.24 | gilles | how to configure my softs to use esound ? |
| 01:00.36 | sussudio | your softs? |
| 01:00.37 | Raf256 | yanger: info about chipset is AFAIR in KDE Control center, or in kernel logs |
| 01:00.50 | Knight_Lord | TNKS .forward |
| 01:00.59 | Knight_Lord | yanger yes |
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| 01:01.30 | TNKS | yanger: maybe in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 01:01.47 | TNKS | yanger: I think that's where KDE gets it's info anyway... |
| 01:01.52 | simonrvn | sussudio: soft head |
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| 01:02.20 | ]Frag[ | humm wheres the grub config :| (its usualy /boot/grub/grub.conf??) |
| 01:02.26 | gilles | sussudio: like xine... |
| 01:02.33 | sussudio | !like xine |
| 01:02.39 | Knight_Lord | ]Frag[ or /etc/grub.conf |
| 01:02.55 | tracer | How do I set the root directory for vsftpd? |
| 01:02.58 | ]Frag[ | Knight_Lord: not at /etc/grub.conf either :| |
| 01:03.23 | Knight_Lord | ]Frag[ i've never used it. Try listing the files that grub installs with dpkg |
| 01:03.24 | tracer | How do I set the root directory for vsftpd? Anyone? |
| 01:03.34 | simonrvn | try reading the docs |
| 01:03.39 | sussudio | !tell tracer about repeating |
| 01:03.41 | Knight_Lord | tracer no need to repeat we can read just fine |
| 01:03.41 | edison | Help mkisofs make the .iso file without space, how to make .iso with space files name ? |
| 01:03.43 | sussudio | !tell tracer about rtfm |
| 01:04.01 | Knight_Lord | edison check joilet extensions |
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| 01:04.29 | tracer | thanks for you help |
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| 01:05.12 | Knight_Lord | i think he was dissapointed :-P |
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| 01:05.17 | edison | ok |
| 01:05.29 | luctor_ | simonrvn: it saves stuff and create a private list,but it doesnt send mail to its users |
| 01:05.51 | simonrvn | nappy. see ya in a bit |
| 01:05.54 | kalelme | hello to all |
| 01:06.08 | simonrvn | luctor_: does #mailman exist? try there |
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| 01:07.37 | luctor_ | simonrvn: it does but all the smart people are asleep or here :-) |
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| 01:07.55 | Knight_Lord | Raf256 did you find the answer to your repeating speed question? |
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| 01:08.07 | Raf256 | kingsley: not yet |
| 01:08.07 | superd | im having trouble with a program of mine that is running out of files to open, so im trying to increase the number of files that can be opened by any single program, but i cant seen to find any recent info on it, all the searches i have done come up with things for the 2.0-2.2 kernels, could anyone here help me out |
| 01:08.17 | Raf256 | there is something for that speed in KDE control, but I dont have KDE here |
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| 01:08.34 | Raf256 | superd: ulimits |
| 01:08.34 | FieldySnuts | speed / kde don't exactly belong in the same sentance ;) |
| 01:08.43 | Raf256 | ;) |
| 01:08.51 | bob2 | superd: um, how many files are you opening and are you sure you're not leaking fds? |
| 01:08.58 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: you can turn off all the animation crap |
| 01:09.19 | FieldySnuts | i'll pass heh |
| 01:09.51 | superd | raf256, ok i did try ulimits, though it doesnt seem to have a man page so i wasnt realy sure exactly what it was doing, does ulimit -n change the number of files that can be open per process, or per user? |
| 01:10.22 | FieldySnuts | it's in the bash man page i think |
| 01:10.28 | bob2 | if you're running out of file handles, you're almost certainly leaking |
| 01:10.31 | Raf256 | superd: mhm I think so... or some simmilar commend try /etc/security/something also ( /limits ? /pam_d ?) |
| 01:10.31 | FieldySnuts | note if they dont' use bash, no effect |
| 01:10.48 | Knight_Lord | Raf256 on SGI there is a keyboard command, unfortunately not in linux it seems |
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| 01:10.54 | Raf256 | and if U are leaking then look for FIRST AID KIT, quick! |
| 01:10.56 | jbr | Raf256: you can set repeat-rate with xset, there's probably something you can put in XF86Config too |
| 01:11.00 | gau | I guess I should know better than to expect to find a Linux application to keep track of workouts :p |
| 01:11.07 | superd | yeah this is a program that runs as a daemon, so if ulimit works with bash i dont think it will help |
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| 01:11.20 | Loof | I can't seem to find any way to 'force' the parallel port into a mode... to see if EPP works better than ECP, etc. |
| 01:11.20 | scarynetworkguy | gau: gnumeric |
| 01:11.23 | Raf256 | ...but dont take a first-aid-kit from GI's or they will _stabilize_ U ;) |
| 01:11.23 | Knight_Lord | jbr but only works for x |
| 01:11.42 | Raf256 | jbr: thnx |
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| 01:11.47 | superd | i also checked /proc/sys/fs/file-max and it was around 90000 |
| 01:11.50 | gau | scarynetworkguy: I was thinking of something slightly more sophisticated |
| 01:12.08 | bob2 | if you're using 90000 handles, your code is broken |
| 01:12.12 | superd | all the old 2.0 docs were saying this was the process file limit, but that doesnt make sence |
| 01:12.17 | gau | If I use gnumeric, I might as well use a pencil and paper |
| 01:12.20 | bob2 | or you're running the biggest server in the universe |
| 01:12.20 | superd | i think thats the total system limit |
| 01:12.29 | scarynetworkguy | gau: The cool thing about gnumeric is that you can make it as "sophisticated" as you want. |
| 01:12.38 | tracer | It dosent seem to HAVE a manual... how can i make it to where files and dirctorys show up, and how do i set the root directory? |
| 01:12.51 | tracer | for vsftpd |
| 01:13.03 | bob2 | tracer: you read the config file? |
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| 01:13.11 | tracer | i was in the /etc/vsftpd.conf file... but that dosent seem to help any |
| 01:13.20 | superd | lol, no yeah im not using 90000 file handles, i think its running up against a smaller per process limit or something like that but i realy dont know, and i cant find any usefull doc for the 2.4 kernel on this |
| 01:13.34 | tracer | bob2: it would only work it seems if i let people authenticate as local users |
| 01:13.40 | bob2 | tracer: yes |
| 01:13.45 | Knight_Lord | tracer if it doesn't have a manual and the configuration file is not descriptive it seems you need to go back to the source |
| 01:13.47 | FieldySnuts | grr, know of a way to get tcpdump to NOT show traffic on more than one port? tcpdump -n src or dst port \!22 avoids 22, but i would like it to ignore other ports.. |
| 01:13.51 | bob2 | tracer: you want to allow anonymous access? |
| 01:14.18 | Loof | One question before I reboot again... which is generally better supported as far as SCSI... Adaptec 2940 or Sym. 53c8xx? |
| 01:14.18 | bob2 | superd: read the documentation for /proc |
| 01:14.20 | kalelme | I have one doubts that it means east error? |
| 01:14.26 | FieldySnuts | Adaptec |
| 01:14.27 | tracer | bob2: yeah, but only when i have it up |
| 01:14.29 | kalelme | Losing too many ticks! |
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| 01:14.36 | tracer | bob2: so its not a problem |
| 01:14.40 | jbr | tracer: no manual? there's a /usr/share/man/man8/vsftpd.8.gz amd one for the config file too |
| 01:14.48 | tracer | bob2: read them |
| 01:14.53 | tracer | jbr: read them |
| 01:15.06 | kalelme | somebody you know? |
| 01:15.08 | sussudio | is a symbios 53c8xx even an option? |
| 01:15.12 | tracer | jbr: they say nothing about setting up root and how to allow anon |
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| 01:15.28 | FieldySnuts | adaptecs are just plain good cards anyway, i've used a lot, i've never even seen a symbios |
| 01:15.51 | superd | bob2: ok yeah thats the system file limit, is there a per pocess file limit i need to change and where would htat be? |
| 01:15.59 | Knight_Lord | anyone having problems with 3ware 9000? |
| 01:16.04 | bob2 | tracer: you've read that and you couldn't figure out how to enable anonymous access? |
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| 01:16.12 | tracer | bob2: its enabled |
| 01:16.15 | EvilIdler | I've tried Symbios a little. Seemed just as good as Adaptec on the servers we used, but at one third the price |
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| 01:16.23 | bob2 | tracer: so what's your question? |
| 01:16.26 | Knight_Lord | superd ulimit |
| 01:16.29 | tracer | bob2: its that no files or dirs show up, and i dont know how to set root |
| 01:16.35 | tracer | bob2: its stuck at my home dir |
| 01:16.46 | bob2 | tracer: it explains that in the config file, iirc |
| 01:16.49 | Knight_Lord | superd sorry wrong answer |
| 01:16.55 | tracer | bob2: iirc? |
| 01:17.11 | sorcre | Any idea why my burned dvds don't work? I burned a dvd in k3b but when I put it in the disk drive it doesn't work. windows + linux |
| 01:17.14 | superd | knight_lord: i thought ulimit was bash, this program is running as a daemon, though it is started from bash, would ulimit still work? |
| 01:17.19 | bob2 | superd: ulimit before you run the program |
| 01:17.29 | bob2 | !+iirc |
| 01:17.29 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 01:17.35 | superd | bob2: ok, thanks ill try that |
| 01:17.44 | Knight_Lord | superd ulimit is just an interface to what's under the hood |
| 01:17.53 | tracer | bob2: ill look some more |
| 01:18.01 | superd | knight_lord: ok cool thanks |
| 01:18.14 | EvilIdler | sorcre, What do the burner programs say if you try to read the burned disc's ATIP info? |
| 01:18.31 | jbr | tracer: try the bit about anonymous_enable |
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| 01:19.01 | sorcre | 1 sec |
| 01:19.04 | tracer | jbr: thats not my question |
| 01:19.22 | tracer | jbr: my question was, how to set the root, and why anon users can not see dirs or files |
| 01:19.44 | tracer | jbr: maby anon_world_readable? |
| 01:20.05 | tracer | jbr: how do i check to see if a file is world readable? |
| 01:20.16 | EvilIdler | tracer, ls -l |
| 01:20.18 | jbr | tracer: searchin through the man page I also see anon_root. any help? |
| 01:20.28 | jbr | tracer: ls |
| 01:20.49 | tracer | jbr: anon_root? sounds nasty... |
| 01:21.02 | Knight_Lord | tracer you should see 3 W (one for owner another for group and another for others) |
| 01:21.07 | jbr | tracer: sounds like you haven't read it |
| 01:21.12 | tracer | jbr: ther it is |
| 01:21.25 | tracer | jbr: thanks |
| 01:21.34 | Knight_Lord | tracer root has more than 1 meaning |
| 01:22.04 | tracer | Knight_Lord: but the files ARE world readable |
| 01:22.06 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 01:22.13 | tracer | Knight_Lord: and it still cant see em |
| 01:22.37 | jbr | tracer: is the directory executable? |
| 01:22.37 | user01 | has anyone tried to build their own xga projector? |
| 01:22.51 | tracer | jbr: ? |
| 01:22.52 | FieldySnuts | grr, know of a way to get tcpdump to NOT show traffic on more than one port? tcpdump -n src or dst port \!22 avoids 22, but i would like it to ignore other ports.. |
| 01:22.55 | Knight_Lord | tracer is parent directory r-x? |
| 01:23.18 | tracer | yes |
| 01:23.20 | sussudio | !tell lucrecius-D24 about away |
| 01:23.29 | FieldySnuts | @abuse tracer |
| 01:23.33 | Knight_Lord | tracer you can only list a +x directory |
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| 01:23.56 | user01 | it looks like a really cool project |
| 01:24.05 | tracer | Knight_Lord: what do you mean +x |
| 01:24.12 | Knight_Lord | tracer executable |
| 01:24.24 | tracer | Knight_Lord: well, it says here that it is |
| 01:24.34 | tracer | Knight_Lord: everyone has execure |
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| 01:24.43 | tracer | Knight_Lord: execute* |
| 01:24.57 | xerophyte | does vmware need xwindows ? |
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| 01:25.50 | sussudio | xerophyte: why don't you ask vmware |
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| 01:26.28 | MobyTurbo | xerophyte, if you need to run a DOS program in Linux there is dosemu and dosbox, both of which are excellent. |
| 01:26.45 | tracer | FieldySnuts: have you tried 'and' i belive that is included in the BPF crap? |
| 01:26.47 | EvilIdler | VMWare needs X, yes |
| 01:26.50 | sussudio | debian.log.20041112:[05:55] <bob2> ah, another Vague Unrelated and Odd question from xerophyte |
| 01:27.08 | FieldySnuts | tracer: hrm, hadn't no, lemmet ry |
| 01:27.10 | bob2 | sussudio: well, to be fair, I think it everytime |
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| 01:28.06 | FieldySnuts | tracer: boom you got it, tcpdump -n src or dst port \!22 \!someothershit |
| 01:28.15 | FieldySnuts | er, \!22 and \!someothershit |
| 01:28.22 | tracer | FieldySnuts: nice |
| 01:28.37 | tracer | FieldySnuts: good ol BPF |
| 01:28.50 | bbrazil | Titztec_Brazil: no, I'm Irish |
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| 01:29.05 | sussudio | i've seen you digging a hole in the neighbourhood |
| 01:29.19 | tracer | FieldySnuts: why dont you use Snort or TEthereal or Ethereal? |
| 01:29.46 | FieldySnuts | tracer: because my needs aren't that complex yet |
| 01:29.51 | FieldySnuts | and i don't have a gui, it's a server |
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| 01:29.57 | blackout | if i'm going to share my home directories over afs (including some laptop machines), are there any considerations I should keep in mind? |
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| 01:30.05 | blackout | is this not a good idea for some reason? |
| 01:30.09 | FieldySnuts | snort is on another system though. and it just caught a system very heavily portscanning anything it can find on the lan |
| 01:30.11 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 01:30.19 | blackout | for instance, is this a problem when using many different distros? |
| 01:30.23 | bob2 | blackout: test it. a lot. |
| 01:30.23 | FieldySnuts | f*cking windows systems </rant> |
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| 01:30.33 | blackout | bob2, any reasons in particular? |
| 01:30.37 | tracer | FieldySnuts: IMO, tethereal is da bomb... and snort includes berkly packet filters... and its better than tcpdump (imo) |
| 01:30.43 | blackout | bob2, things i should be watching for? |
| 01:30.50 | FieldySnuts | i prefer working with tcpdump directly, just my thing |
| 01:30.52 | bob2 | blackout: someone I know gave up on it the other day because it kept panicking his kernel |
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| 01:30.58 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 01:31.05 | blackout | bob2, ack. |
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| 01:31.35 | FieldySnuts | geesh. owned win2k box (last i'm saying of win here), glad that's not my responsibilty.. |
| 01:31.47 | Knight_Lord | blackout i heard that cern is going to start using afs internally so hopefully it's support will improve |
| 01:31.57 | blackout | Knight_Lord, oh, that is good news |
| 01:31.58 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: but it's got vocals in int... |
| 01:32.13 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: well, yes |
| 01:32.17 | Knight_Lord | blackout but this things that quite a while |
| 01:32.21 | blackout | is there some better alternative for sharing a home directory across remote machines securely? Or is it just a problematic/bad idea in general? |
| 01:32.24 | Knight_Lord | take* |
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| 01:32.48 | blackout | AFS is the most promising i've seen, since CODA seems to be a bit less developed and much more difficult to config |
| 01:32.51 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: intelligible, coherent vocals puts it firmly out of the squarepusher category... |
| 01:33.33 | {Fah-Q} | is the x.org stuff in sarge? |
| 01:33.42 | asuffield | afs is "mature". that means what you see is what you get, it's not going to be changing |
| 01:33.42 | Knight_Lord | {Fah-Q} nope |
| 01:33.48 | dondelelcaro | !topicsmite {Fah-Q} |
| 01:33.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon {Fah-Q}. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 01:33.49 | {Fah-Q} | Knight_Lord: Sid? |
| 01:33.49 | asuffield | it's *old* |
| 01:33.56 | asuffield | it also kinda sucks |
| 01:33.57 | {Fah-Q} | heh |
| 01:33.58 | Knight_Lord | {Fah-Q} don't think so |
| 01:34.06 | {Fah-Q} | fair 'nuff |
| 01:34.15 | {Fah-Q} | Its been a while since I had debian on a desktop |
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| 01:34.20 | rich_ | asuffield Isnt it named after you? |
| 01:34.22 | bob2 | x.org is not in Debian anywhere |
| 01:34.30 | {Fah-Q} | just figured I'd ask. I miss apt at times |
| 01:34.32 | ElNooboStupido | what module do I use for a sound blaster pci128 card? |
| 01:34.43 | blackout | asuffield, any alternatives? |
| 01:34.51 | ElNooboStupido | is the pci 128 emu10k1? |
| 01:34.54 | blackout | bob2, what are the plans for that? |
| 01:34.54 | asuffield | real-world alternatives? no |
| 01:34.59 | blackout | bob2, soon, for x.org? |
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| 01:35.06 | asuffield | afs isn't really enterprise-grade either |
| 01:35.07 | blackout | asuffield, so how do people do it? They just don't? |
| 01:35.12 | asuffield | right. they don't. |
| 01:35.14 | bob2 | blackout: people.debian.org/~branden/xsf/faq.html, after sarge |
| 01:35.32 | blackout | asuffield, wow, that makes syncing configs, data, etc. over machines a massive pain, doesn't it? |
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| 01:35.51 | blackout | asuffield, i was under the impression that openafs was still developing - i was misinformed? |
| 01:36.01 | asuffield | not really. if you change your configuration more than once a year you need to get a job |
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| 01:36.36 | blackout | asuffield, meh, i change bookmarks, mutt aliases, docs, code, etc., all the time |
| 01:36.45 | blackout | asuffield, data, as well as configs |
| 01:37.03 | gau | Hehe |
| 01:37.03 | asuffield | it's maintained, it's hardly "developing". afs is a very old product, originally from transarc (I think) and then later IBM. it's a massive established codebase and not very flexible. it won't go very far now |
| 01:37.27 | gau | Wait..huh. Small world. |
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| 01:41.52 | SuperPhly | has anyone played with MAS? |
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| 01:42.12 | sussudio | SuperPhly: you'll go blind. stop it. |
| 01:42.12 | SuperPhly | http://www.mediaapplicationserver.net |
| 01:42.20 | SuperPhly | sussudio: ;) |
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| 01:44.14 | sussudio | !llama |
| 01:44.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, llama is a cuddly animal certain old school quake players were rather `fond of'... or the Learning Perl book published by O'Reilly, or http://images2.jokaroo.net/flash/llamasong.swf |
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| 01:45.03 | rich_ | llama's came from the game sim city I think. You build a city to support llama farms |
| 01:45.27 | epictetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.57 | MobyTurbo | The llama of Perl fame is due to the main book which preceeded it having a camel. |
| 01:46.03 | SuperPhly | my exgirlfriends dad bought 2 llamas one day spur of the moment and brought them home. they jumped the fence and were never to be seen again. |
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| 01:47.09 | groulder | there's also a whole heap of references to the llama in winamp. |
| 01:47.23 | SuperPhly | what a world of llamas we live in |
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| 01:48.11 | MobyTurbo | AOL froze development on winamp. Probably for the same reason why AOL kicked out the Mozilla developers, a multimillion dollar deal with Microsoft. |
| 01:48.40 | MobyTurbo | but that has nothing to do with Debian. :-) |
| 01:48.41 | sunai | rumors say Mozilla is getting support from Google now |
| 01:49.07 | MobyTurbo | Mozilla can get support from anyone they want, they are a non-profit foundation now. |
| 01:49.15 | sussudio | rumors say FieldySnuts eats small ducks when it's a full moon |
| 01:49.25 | FieldySnuts | quack |
| 01:49.27 | zarathustra | hi everybody |
| 01:49.31 | rich_ | I remember microsoft |
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| 01:50.03 | sunai | small ducks - ok, but full moon? |
| 01:50.18 | rich_ | They were pretty lamah |
| 01:50.35 | MobyTurbo | they've been doing pretty well as a non-profit too, they managed to raise enough funds and more for a full-page ad in the NYT. |
| 01:51.19 | zarathustra | excuse me i am new to debian and i have a little problem, I have 2 cdroms, during booting they are detected, fstab is correct, but the problem is that i only have a mountpoint at /media, so i created it manually mkdir /media/cdrom1, but after rebooting, this mountpoint is lost, and i dont know how to fix this. Im using debian sarge |
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| 01:52.46 | EvilIdler | zarathustra, Do you have a file named /etc/auto.misc ? |
| 01:53.04 | zarathustra | EvilIdler, nop |
| 01:53.25 | sussudio | how does it feel to treat me like you badgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
| 01:54.06 | EvilIdler | zarathustra, Manually mounting drives with the mount command, then? |
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| 01:54.35 | cievo | all...hello |
| 01:54.49 | cievo | l |
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| 01:55.30 | zarathustra | EvilIdler, nop, after i created the mountpoint and i want to read a cd it is mounted automatically, the main problem is that the mountpoint is erased after every reboot |
| 01:55.39 | sussudio | gau: yes. |
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| 01:55.46 | groulder | if mozilla keeps going the way it is, it will be the competition against ie. |
| 01:55.53 | cievo | all...hello again :) |
| 01:56.26 | rich_ | I've heard of ie. It was some kind of old web browser |
| 01:56.30 | EvilIdler | zarathustra, Yes, there are some places you won't keep files. You could try an automounter instead, as it's much nicer |
| 01:56.35 | MobyTurbo | gronostay, yes, mozilla and firefox are doing great. |
| 01:56.38 | Defenestrator | will be? firefox is already making a serious dent |
| 01:56.43 | cievo | all...does anyone know how to scrool in talk/ytalk windows ? |
| 01:56.45 | bob2 | ah, groulder |
| 01:56.57 | rich_ | even older than netscape |
| 01:57.09 | Defenestrator | working as a computer tech... I've switched non-tech people over to firefox on windows from IE |
| 01:57.14 | gilles | my sound device can't be openned for playback, what can i do ? |
| 01:57.15 | MobyTurbo | rich_, IE is younger than netscape... |
| 01:57.27 | Defenestrator | helps a lot with chronic crapware problems |
| 01:57.33 | MobyTurbo | cievo, if all else fails, run it in a screen session. |
| 01:57.47 | streuner | Defenestrator: somebody told me in i-net cafe, it looks like IE... |
| 01:57.58 | gau | sussuidp: Okay, if you have all the answers, then, what DID happen to Klayvor? |
| 01:58.03 | cievo | MobyTurbo: thnks :) |
| 01:58.06 | rich_ | MobyTurbo oh thanks. I knew it was of the same era. everyone uses mozilla now |
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| 01:58.20 | gau | whee, I misspelled a nick. At least it wasn't my own :p |
| 01:58.26 | groulder | mozilla thunderbird is taking over from outlook too. |
| 01:58.32 | rich_ | or one of the mozilla spin offs |
| 01:58.53 | caphuso | groulder: oh, yeah, from 98% down to 97% market share... |
| 01:59.00 | MobyTurbo | rich_, mozilla was an open source version of netscape communicator originally. |
| 01:59.09 | EvilIdler | Mozilla is the Emacs of browsers :/ |
| 01:59.19 | gau | sussudio: Okay, if you have all the answers, then, what DID happen to Klayvor? |
| 01:59.25 | caphuso | EvilIdler: no. emacs is good |
| 01:59.35 | Marcel_C | Why are the lirc modules not provided as standard in the pre compiled kernels |
| 01:59.56 | rich_ | MobyTurbo motiff predates netscape |
| 02:00.13 | MobyTurbo | rich_, you must be thinking of mosaic |
| 02:00.24 | MobyTurbo | rich_, motiff is an X toolkit |
| 02:00.28 | caphuso | Marcel_C: because the kernel image package contain only things that are part of the kernel |
| 02:00.28 | sussudio | gau: eaten by annoyed targs. |
| 02:00.29 | rich_ | MobyTurbo Oh yea, thanks |
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| 02:00.50 | rich_ | MobyTurbo Well I was thinking of the x toolkit. |
| 02:00.52 | MobyTurbo | rich_, Netscape was written by many of the same people that created mosaic |
| 02:00.55 | gau | As opposed to nice, cuddly targs? |
| 02:01.13 | caphuso | the x toolkit is called motif |
| 02:01.21 | sussudio | just don't tap targs on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper... |
| 02:02.44 | the_ultimate_sam | suppose i just used apt-get install and installed a file...where would it go |
| 02:02.44 | gau | Heh |
| 02:02.52 | sussudio | it's alriiight... |
| 02:03.00 | caphuso | the_ultimate_sam: dpkg -L packagename |
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| 02:03.32 | rich_ | www definately is a fad. Slowly but surely the general public is becomeing computer literate, and so realising how redundant the www is |
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| 02:04.00 | gau | oh, and one more question, sussuido....what are they gonna name the baby? :P |
| 02:04.05 | MobyTurbo | rich_, I don't agree, it's gone beyond the fad stage now. |
| 02:04.16 | sussudio | fluffy. |
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| 02:04.33 | gau | And who thought THAT one up? |
| 02:04.41 | Marcel_C | caphuso: oh. Would it be possible to have a seperate package with the modules in it? |
| 02:04.44 | sussudio | Piggy did. |
| 02:04.47 | Marcel_C | i mean |
| 02:04.56 | rich_ | people try to protect their intellectual property with java scripts and stuff and the even half way bright script kiddies just download the source, sift through it and take what they want |
| 02:05.04 | Marcel_C | to use my remote, i need to recompile the whole kernel |
| 02:05.04 | gau | If you say so. |
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| 02:05.08 | the_ultimate_sam | ok i dont understand what it said |
| 02:05.13 | caphuso | Marcel_C: like the already existing lirc-modules-source one? |
| 02:05.28 | caphuso | Marcel_C: bullshit |
| 02:05.29 | rich_ | Which means the www does not deliver its only excuse for existing; security |
| 02:05.49 | jbr | rich_: I thought it was for dancing pigs |
| 02:05.54 | Marcel_C | caphuso: I was meaning binaries. |
| 02:06.01 | caphuso | rich_: you're the single most stupid regular in this channel |
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| 02:06.21 | caphuso | rich_: i'm wondering why your mother didn't try to kill you |
| 02:06.27 | MobyTurbo | "java scripts" |
| 02:06.29 | rich_ | jbr No, actually instead of a web page, people will just tell you an ftp address and you will download and run the danceing pigs |
| 02:06.47 | caphuso | Marcel_C: you're volunteering? |
| 02:06.50 | caphuso | Marcel_C: nice! |
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| 02:08.45 | bob2 | Marcel_C: some module packages are prebuilt for the kernels in Debian |
| 02:08.46 | bob2 | some are not |
| 02:08.56 | bob2 | lirc-modules-source has instructions for how to build them yourself |
| 02:09.17 | Marcel_C | ok |
| 02:09.18 | rich_ | caphuso unix is bad for your blood pressure. |
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| 02:09.25 | Marcel_C | just looking |
| 02:09.30 | bob2 | www.usepropane.com |
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| 02:09.44 | bob2 | if you usee propane, you can be a big man with a plate full of steak |
| 02:10.01 | rich_ | mesquite tastes better |
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| 02:10.10 | royb | i'm using debian-installer to try to create software raid for my new box. is there a reason i can't put / on the raid? |
| 02:10.13 | gau | but how do I usee propane? |
| 02:10.13 | grendal_prime | hey is there a cleanup tool to like find all the unused pkgs...orphend i guess would be the term im looking for? |
| 02:10.20 | peterS | grendal_prime: deborphan |
| 02:10.43 | caphuso | bob2: and if you use propane carelessly, you can be a big plate full of steak |
| 02:10.47 | bob2 | royb: root on software raid requires lots of fucking around |
| 02:10.47 | peterS | grendal_prime: also, popularity-contest |
| 02:10.55 | royb | blah. |
| 02:11.04 | peterS | grendal_prime: the latter determines which packages on your system you seem to have used recently and which not |
| 02:11.04 | the_ultimate_sam | it seems my install went bad |
| 02:11.06 | grendal_prime | ok that list is what? packages i could ace? |
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| 02:11.10 | the_ultimate_sam | ...how would i fix it |
| 02:11.16 | royb | the machine has 3 4.3 gb drives. i'd rather a 8gb / and 512 swap. |
| 02:12.26 | peterS | royb: you *can* put / on raid, but it's a bit sensitive |
| 02:12.28 | grendal_prime | because deborphan lists libquicktime1 and i sure i use that....maybe not |
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| 02:12.49 | royb | blah. :/ |
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| 02:13.00 | grendal_prime | if i go to dpkg -r it will look to see if anytihng relies on it right? |
| 02:13.14 | bob2 | L. Ron Hubbard can't save your life |
| 02:13.26 | Anihilator | How do I setup mirc on linux? |
| 02:13.36 | caphuso | Anihilator: argh, my eyes! |
| 02:13.40 | Defenestrator | Anihilator: with WINE, I suppose |
| 02:14.02 | Defenestrator | I tried it once with knoppix+WINE. It worked OK, but broke some scripts |
| 02:14.05 | royb | last i checked, WINE didn't like mirc. but that has been a long time. |
| 02:14.06 | Anihilator | sorry for my ignorance, brand new to linux =( I know next to nothing about it |
| 02:14.09 | Defenestrator | kinda sluggish, too |
| 02:14.11 | Guerin | !mmirc on wine |
| 02:14.11 | caphuso | Anihilator: there are so many IRC clients for linux, why would you want to use mirc? |
| 02:14.14 | Guerin | !mirc on wine |
| 02:14.14 | royb | get xchat. |
| 02:14.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mirc on wine is double the wrongness! |
| 02:14.15 | rich_ | Getting the aliens out of your brain is physichally demanding and can actually shorten your temporal lifetime :) |
| 02:14.20 | EvilIdler | Mirc works fine in Win4Lin, though |
| 02:14.21 | grendal_prime | why not use xchat? |
| 02:15.00 | Guerin | that's like goijng to the local bmw dealership and asking if they have a skoda you can buy |
| 02:15.02 | Anihilator | lol ok i guess it doesn't have to be Mirc. How could i get into this channel otherwise? |
| 02:15.09 | EvilIdler | ircII and X-Chat are the ones *I* recommend if using any Unix-like.. |
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| 02:15.18 | Guerin | Anihilator: irssi-text |
| 02:15.18 | Anihilator | Mirc is just the one i'm familiar with |
| 02:15.23 | bob2 | Anihilator: xchat or irssi-text |
| 02:15.32 | grendal_prime | xchat is better tham mirc anyway, Mirc if i remember right was the onlything in windows close to an actual irc chat client |
| 02:15.34 | Anihilator | ok, how do i get into that? |
| 02:15.41 | bob2 | it's weird how windows users equate "specific application" with "general use of a protocol" |
| 02:15.48 | bob2 | they don't use a web browser, they use IE |
| 02:15.49 | Guerin | I think people should boycott xchat until it's forked by someone with sane licensing policies |
| 02:15.55 | bob2 | they don't use irc, they use mirc |
| 02:16.07 | EvilIdler | They're..miseducated. |
| 02:16.15 | Anihilator | lol sorry, i'm trying to break stride |
| 02:16.19 | Guerin | EvilIdler: ITYM misundereducated |
| 02:16.23 | rich_ | Guerin whats wrong with the xchat license? |
| 02:16.32 | EvilIdler | Guerin, That's a Bush-ism, innit? |
| 02:16.34 | Guerin | rich_: google xchat windows shareware |
| 02:16.36 | grendal_prime | well i do know that the managers at work dont nessarily LIKE using something with the name XCHAT for electronic meeting places |
| 02:16.42 | grendal_prime | but they do it anyway |
| 02:16.45 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 02:16.46 | Guerin | EvilIdler: hyup |
| 02:17.00 | rich_ | I mean xchat is in debian so I assumed it had a decent license |
| 02:17.03 | Anihilator | so how do i get into irssi-text or xchat? |
| 02:17.17 | royb | i greatly perfer mirc to xchat. |
| 02:17.19 | rich_ | I don't really care if windows users can use it or not |
| 02:17.25 | royb | so i irc from my work (windows) laptop. :p |
| 02:17.31 | the_ultimate_sam | i kinda wish mirc was on linux |
| 02:17.36 | MobyTurbo | Anihilator, apt-get install them, then run update-menus if you want to launch them from a root menu. |
| 02:17.41 | caphuso | Guerin: all you need to do is compile the GPLed source code and then you can hand out GPLed windows binaries as much as you like |
| 02:17.55 | the_ultimate_sam | i miss being able to customize how things acted in irc client |
| 02:18.07 | Guerin | rich_: it's a little more complicated - the fact that the author has made the windows version shareware and non-free shows a disregard for other peoples' code contributions that I don't think ought be supported |
| 02:18.22 | Guerin | caphuso: yeah, I know. |
| 02:18.29 | grendal_prime | christ o mighty |
| 02:18.29 | yanger | when i open a msdos .txt file, i keep getting odd # and # between characters, is there a wway to filter that crap out? |
| 02:18.30 | rich_ | Guerin Oh yea, I see what you mean. Thanks. |
| 02:18.43 | Guerin | yanger: yes. |
| 02:18.44 | grendal_prime | find replace? |
| 02:18.49 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 02:18.55 | Anihilator | MobyTurbo: i know little about linux, how do i install them? |
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| 02:19.07 | MobyTurbo | Anihilator, in Debian, you use apt-get |
| 02:19.14 | the_ultimate_sam | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) <----what does that mean |
| 02:19.16 | EvilIdler | yanger, Should be an easy fix with sed or tr, or something |
| 02:19.52 | Guerin | !pkgmgmt |
| 02:19.52 | dpkg | methinks pkgmgmt is package commands is Debian Package Management - Most Important Commands: http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or 'man apt-get'; 'man apt-cache', or apt-get install apt-dpkg-ref |
| 02:20.08 | skyisblue | !aptitude |
| 02:20.08 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200307/msg02135.html |
| 02:20.26 | Guerin | the_ultimate_sam: those lines tell you what each column means |
| 02:20.34 | EvilIdler | Aptitude is somewhat newbie-friendly. |
| 02:21.17 | Anihilator | Moby, what's the exact command i should use? <apt-get install irssi-text> ? |
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| 02:21.28 | EvilIdler | Anihilator, If in Debian, become root and 'apt-get install xchat' for the fastest way to get an irc client |
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| 02:21.47 | Anihilator | ok, what does "become root" mean? |
| 02:22.03 | caphuso | Anihilator: it means that you need to buy a unix/linux introduction book |
| 02:22.07 | asg | Anihilator: su - (an type root's password) |
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| 02:22.48 | House4You | hi |
| 02:22.56 | Guerin | fucking moron FLD |
| 02:22.59 | nextime | yanger: |
| 02:23.12 | Anihilator | ah beautiful |
| 02:23.12 | nextime | for dos formatted txt files: |
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| 02:23.33 | Anihilator | thanks |
| 02:23.33 | nextime | awk '{ sub ("\r$", ""); print }' file.txt > newfile.txt |
| 02:23.33 | Guerin | I fucking help him and get everything shipshape for him and he whines and breaks it and then complains it's my fault |
| 02:23.38 | House4You | i have an erore code that i dont know what to do with.. |
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| 02:23.58 | skyisblue | dos2unix ? |
| 02:24.01 | asg | Guerin: we've been discussing FLD's particular flavor of idiocy most of the day |
| 02:24.07 | encrypt | how do i use / in sed s/blabla/blabla/< |
| 02:24.21 | encrypt | for ex: sed s/lwkel"/"lkel/welkwe/<a>b |
| 02:24.26 | asg | encrypt: \/ |
| 02:24.30 | House4You | i am tring to mount in a network drive under linux |
| 02:24.36 | House4You | in smbfs |
| 02:24.44 | Guerin | asg: heh |
| 02:24.44 | encrypt | \/ gave error still |
| 02:24.46 | asg | encrypt: or use a different separator (i.e. '#') |
| 02:24.48 | yanger | tr works, but now there's spaces, i can see that the # area actually ^@ <- how do i tr that? |
| 02:25.20 | caphuso | yanger: try <ctrl-v><ctrl-space> |
| 02:25.22 | encrypt | how can i define a different separator? |
| 02:25.30 | House4You | but it says smbfs filesystem not supported by the kernel |
| 02:25.33 | asg | Guerin: then chocolate cake still sitting weel? |
| 02:25.40 | caphuso | encrypt: simply by using a different separator |
| 02:25.46 | asg | encrypt: s#someshit with /#whatever# |
| 02:25.52 | House4You | can any body helpme with that ? |
| 02:25.54 | encrypt | oush thanks |
| 02:25.54 | royb | House4You: mount -t smbfs \\server\share /mount/point |
| 02:26.04 | royb | oh. |
| 02:26.08 | royb | insmod it? |
| 02:26.10 | asg | House4You: or recompile your kernel to support smbfs |
| 02:26.12 | asg | !insmod |
| 02:26.13 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 02:26.15 | asg | royb: ^^ |
| 02:26.23 | Guerin | asg: heel yeah |
| 02:26.27 | royb | LOL |
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| 02:26.31 | Guerin | asg: just about to have it for breakfast |
| 02:26.32 | House4You | thanks i trie that way right now.. |
| 02:26.42 | asg | Guerin: nice, better the second time around. |
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| 02:26.56 | EvilIdler | Oooh. Root. |
| 02:26.57 | royb | without the - |
| 02:27.06 | jbr | Anihilator: your nick's misspelled, it should be aniDilator |
| 02:27.15 | royb | haha. |
| 02:27.20 | yanger | no luck |
| 02:27.27 | yanger | if i press enter, i get ^M |
| 02:27.29 | yanger | hehe |
| 02:27.35 | yanger | dunno what ^@ is :| |
| 02:27.58 | Guerin | gah, wtf is that ^M |
| 02:27.58 | MobyTurbo | yanger, probably control-@ |
| 02:28.13 | yanger | as in, ctrl-shift-2? |
| 02:28.19 | caphuso | yanger: <ctrl-space> is easier to type |
| 02:28.20 | asg | Guerin: a reason to ':set fileformat=unix' |
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| 02:28.23 | yanger | tried ctrl-shift-2, and didn't work |
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| 02:28.32 | Guerin | my wife is always complaining about it in documents she's working on |
| 02:28.35 | yanger | @ |
| 02:28.54 | Guerin | asg: it's some stupid dos thing, right? |
| 02:28.58 | mathieu | ^M is carriage return |
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| 02:29.01 | asg | Guerin: yep |
| 02:29.03 | yanger | yeah i noticed |
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| 02:29.08 | yanger | ^@ = ? |
| 02:29.40 | mathieu | a newline in dos is \r\n, on unix it is \n ... so when you open the file you see all the \r's (^M) |
| 02:30.00 | mathieu | and mac uses \r alone |
| 02:30.03 | royb | the new installer rocks so hard. |
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| 02:30.12 | Guerin | mathieu: and you can just remove them with sed or somesuch? |
| 02:30.23 | mathieu | Guerin, dos2unix converts it for youu |
| 02:30.30 | yanger | oh |
| 02:30.32 | Anihilator | ok i'm in the room on my linux system but when i type it's not displayed |
| 02:30.41 | Guerin | ah, so run the file through dos2unix and it's fix0red. Gotcha. |
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| 02:30.47 | Xenguy | mathieu: also 'flip' I believe |
| 02:30.47 | caphuso | Guerin: or "tr -d \\r" |
| 02:30.51 | Guerin | Anihilator: you're root, you fucking moron |
| 02:31.05 | Guerin | caphuso: ah, nice |
| 02:31.26 | caphuso | it's really not rocket science :) |
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| 02:31.34 | TheBlueWizard | to get rid of ^M, use dos2unix command (apt-get sysutils to get that command) |
| 02:31.34 | Anihilator | lol easy killer, I don't know a damn thing about this, that's why I'm asking questions. |
| 02:31.36 | yanger | ack, i saved the time, just went back to windows, and saved as ANSI instead of UNICODE :| |
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| 02:31.42 | mathieu | if you use a good editor like vim, you'll barely notice it, it'll just show [dos] somewhere |
| 02:31.47 | grendal_prime | you know i hate to admit this but i would really much rather use synaptip than aptitude...its pretty nice |
| 02:31.55 | grendal_prime | synaptic that is |
| 02:32.03 | skyisblue | i am also root. |
| 02:32.15 | asg | !lart skyisblue |
| 02:32.30 | asg | grendal_prime: works well on a serial console eh? |
| 02:32.33 | RainbowW | is there a reasonably easy-to-set-up firewall script somewhere that will do both 1:1 and many:1 NAT at the same time? Doesn't have to be Debian-based. |
| 02:32.45 | grendal_prime | something confuses me about bother though ..i never quite understand the whole thing about packes being held back? |
| 02:32.46 | asg | RainbowW: yes, but a PIX |
| 02:32.52 | skyisblue | and return to skyisblue. |
| 02:32.58 | Linoleum | can someone help me about the size of the partion , for : /boot ,/ , /tpm , /usr , and /var, on 15 GO |
| 02:33.01 | asg | RainbowW: or man iptables or install OpenBSD and man pf |
| 02:33.10 | cockroach | how can i tell gpg to use my new key instead of the (revoked and disabled) old one by default? |
| 02:33.14 | caphuso | i need a second serial port :-/ |
| 02:33.14 | Guerin | I'm root, as well |
| 02:33.21 | Guerin | on three different computers |
| 02:33.27 | Guerin | I'm jjust NOT IRCing as root |
| 02:33.34 | Linoleum | without thinking about /home which is on an other disk |
| 02:33.39 | yanger | ah, finally, i have a VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapter, which module would that be under :| |
| 02:33.44 | Linoleum | can someone help me about the size of the partion , for : /boot ,/ , /tpm , /usr , and /var, on 15 GO |
| 02:33.47 | Linoleum | without thinking about /home which is on an other disk |
| 02:33.47 | rich_ | I use dselect. I know it sucks, I know it gets dependancy problems that take me ... time... to figure out. But if I just pay a little attention to it, it keeps me from doing stupid things that people who use aptitude and synapticic seem to do a lot. Thats worth the suckiness to me. |
| 02:33.49 | asg | caphuso: I'd give you one but my arm isn't nearly strong enough to throw it all the way to where you are ;) |
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| 02:34.24 | MobyTurbo | apt-get coupled with apt-cache are good enough for me. |
| 02:34.32 | skyisblue | forgotten init 1. |
| 02:34.42 | mathieu | it provides more control, more info, and you don't need to become root each time you want info |
| 02:34.46 | Guerin | I tried to use aptitude, I really did |
| 02:34.48 | caphuso | asg: oh, come on, you can do it! |
| 02:34.54 | Guerin | but it just wants to break things |
| 02:35.28 | thomas_adam | (leave it) |
| 02:35.29 | asg | Guerin: it has lots of features I've never had time to find out about |
| 02:35.55 | asg | thomas_adam: bah, I was going to 'fi' |
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| 02:36.48 | rich_ | Yea apt-get is great and I use it sometimes but dselect does a good job of showing you all the dependancies and giveing you a good idea of why you need each one. With apt-get if it can't do something it tells you the depednacies it needs to do it. Those dependancies might lead to others. With dselect, it shows it all to you, with a list of all the programs it needs, the ones it wants, and why. Maybe its a crutch, but I apreciate it. |
| 02:37.13 | MobyTurbo | rich_, you can use "apt-cache show" to do that. |
| 02:37.34 | rich_ | MobyTurbo I'll try it. Thanks. |
| 02:37.54 | mathieu | apt-cache policy is also a nice thing |
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| 02:39.12 | Lin | hi debianers! |
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| 02:39.24 | Anihlator2 | hello |
| 02:39.52 | thomas_adam | Whatever happened to old g4lt? |
| 02:39.55 | Lin | I have a policy question. There is some policy about debian.org mail usage? (I know that is only for developers) |
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| 02:40.40 | asg | Lin: you can email anyone with a routable address; it doesn't mean they are going to listen or buy the penis enlarger you are trying to sell them. |
| 02:40.55 | Lin | something as: Cannot use to promote companies, or cannot use for commercialize softwares. Or anything related, |
| 02:41.17 | Anihlator2 | what does "su" stand for? |
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| 02:41.25 | Lin | asg: switch user |
| 02:41.27 | asg | Lin: if you have an @debian.org address, you should have read the necessary information (in the developer's reference.) |
| 02:41.28 | thomas_adam | Silly User. |
| 02:41.30 | nvz | thomas_adam: hasnt been around in a few days. *shrug* |
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| 02:41.41 | nvz | !seen g4lt |
| 02:41.42 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 38d 2h 5m ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 02:41.44 | Anihlator2 | ah thanks |
| 02:41.46 | Lin | asg: I have read all of them.. there is some specific about mail usage? |
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| 02:42.09 | erik | is it normal that the debian netboot installer initrd/vmlinuz doesn't have IDE support? |
| 02:42.10 | Lin | asg: I didn't found it.. |
| 02:42.12 | thomas_adam | Anihlator2: I'm joking, it stands for "SuperUser"l |
| 02:42.24 | asg | Lin: your @debian.org address is to be only used for debian related correspondence. |
| 02:42.28 | Anihlator2 | yeah, thanks |
| 02:42.30 | nvz | dpkg: you smoke crack |
| 02:42.30 | dpkg | no idea, nvz |
| 02:42.37 | Lin | asg: ok! :-) |
| 02:42.38 | nvz | thats what a crackhead would say |
| 02:42.51 | Lin | asg: there is some place where I can found that? |
| 02:42.55 | httpdss | im using debian woody with kernel 2.4.19 .. my problem is that i want to enable ppp multilink and the option is not present when i do a menuconfig ... any idea ?? |
| 02:43.17 | thomas_adam | httpdss: You might need to enable experimental features. I'm not sure. |
| 02:43.17 | asg | Lin: it should be in the developer's reference |
| 02:43.27 | Lin | asg: in devel corner? |
| 02:43.33 | Lin | s/in/at/g |
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| 02:44.20 | Guerin | yay, new xfce4/2 packages! |
| 02:44.26 | thomas_adam | wooooo. |
| 02:44.28 | Guerin | s#/#.# |
| 02:44.47 | asg | Lin: yes, http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ |
| 02:44.51 | httpdss | thomas_adam: how do i enable experimental features ? |
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| 02:45.28 | jbr | httpdss: CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL, near the top |
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| 02:45.36 | roberto | hi |
| 02:45.43 | roberto | i have a problem |
| 02:45.52 | bob2 | nvz: hah, "few days" |
| 02:45.53 | roberto | with nvidia drivers and debian sarge |
| 02:45.57 | Lin | asg: I have found it.. but there isn't a topic about mail usage. I looking at developer duties |
| 02:46.04 | httpdss | thx jbr ans thomas_adam .. |
| 02:46.08 | tracer | roberto: so do we all |
| 02:46.09 | Lin | roberto: roberto just ask. |
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| 02:46.21 | nvz | bob2: well I have a more recent log than dpkg.. problem is I dont know how much more recent.. my logs leave no indication of date.. |
| 02:46.22 | asg | Lin: then I would ask on the debian-devel mailing list |
| 02:46.29 | nvz | bob2: I need better logging ;) |
| 02:46.37 | bob2 | heh |
| 02:46.39 | roberto | why my nvidia driver crash my x???????? |
| 02:46.48 | bob2 | because the nvidia drivers suck |
| 02:46.52 | tracer | roberto: how are we supposed to know? |
| 02:46.53 | Lin | cause nvidia isn't open source |
| 02:46.53 | bob2 | and no one but nvidia can fix them |
| 02:46.58 | bob2 | complain to them |
| 02:46.59 | bob2 | #nvidia |
| 02:47.21 | betoreyez | roberto: install it directkt from the runtime provided by nvidia |
| 02:47.24 | roberto | is normal this problem with stupid rivafb??? |
| 02:47.32 | tracer | ... |
| 02:47.34 | tracer | que? |
| 02:47.35 | bob2 | betoreyez: how does that help? |
| 02:47.42 | bob2 | roberto: have you tried disabling it? |
| 02:47.58 | roberto | i dont know disable rivafb |
| 02:47.58 | Guerin | there's a known fix for the nvidia driver problems |
| 02:48.01 | nvz | bob2: I am still just using a modified Elf config.. havent learned enough yet to start my own.. though I have many ideas panned out to fill in the gaps of this already great configuration |
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| 02:48.05 | STi-WRx | Info-Line for STi-WRx: הגעתי, הבאנים התחילו |
| 02:48.13 | Lin | http://debian.atnet.at/doc/developers-reference/ch-developer-duties.en.html (ITS EMPTY!!!) |
| 02:48.15 | tracer | roberto: yeah, its rm / -rf |
| 02:48.21 | tracer | roberto: jk |
| 02:48.24 | bob2 | STi-WRx: fix your fucking IRC client |
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| 02:48.27 | Guerin | it runs along the lines of "don't use the funcking nvidia driver, use nv" |
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| 02:48.30 | Lin | roberto: don't compile with rivafb |
| 02:48.33 | betoreyez | bob2: the latest installs cleanly |
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| 02:48.43 | bob2 | betoreyez: I don't think roberto had install problems |
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| 02:48.51 | roberto | i no know remove the stupid rivafb |
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| 02:49.17 | asg | Lin: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2004/01/msg00051.html has some information on a poll taken earlier this year re: usage. Official policy should be discusses on debian-devel though. |
| 02:49.27 | betoreyez | bob2: I got it , ribafb dont go well with nvidia propietary driver.. |
| 02:49.36 | roberto | right |
| 02:49.37 | bob2 | Lin: the mirror is broken, http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-developer-duties.en.html |
| 02:49.44 | Lin | asg: thank you |
| 02:49.47 | roberto | more i no know disable rivafb |
| 02:49.48 | Lin | bob2: thank you too |
| 02:50.17 | caphuso | roberto: append video=rivafb:off to your kernel command line |
| 02:50.36 | roberto | ok |
| 02:50.39 | enigmus | roberto: rivafb is a problem only if it is loaded. The installer checks whether it is *built*, not if it is actually loaded |
| 02:50.42 | roberto | i made a test |
| 02:50.46 | roberto | one moment |
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| 02:51.25 | Lin | asg: it's a good reference!! :-) |
| 02:51.30 | Lin | asg: thank you again |
| 02:51.31 | asg | Lin: :) |
| 02:51.35 | asg | Lin: you're welcome |
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| 02:51.54 | alex-i | Hello |
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| 02:52.10 | tcnxbw | !say bob did you enjoy the downtime |
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| 02:52.10 | yjvdhu | !say bob did you enjoy the downtime |
| 02:52.11 | dpkg | bob did you enjoy the downtime |
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| 02:53.01 | bob2 | alindeman: you are my hero |
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| 02:53.49 | bob2 | ah, nice |
| 02:53.53 | bob2 | now they're /msg'ing me |
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| 02:53.59 | caphuso | bob2: hehe |
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| 02:54.21 | sussudio | yeah like i didn't see that one coming with kawfee popping online. |
| 02:54.45 | bob2 | he's in #emacs |
| 02:54.51 | Guerin | jesus, there are a shitload of packages updated since last night |
| 02:55.11 | Hashar | lo, how can i remove "gnome-games" package without removing the whole gnome system please ? |
| 02:55.22 | alindeman | bob2: They flooding you? |
| 02:55.23 | alindeman | Yah, damn |
| 02:55.29 | bob2 | removing the "gnome" package does not remove the whole gnome system |
| 02:55.30 | bob2 | alindeman: yeah |
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| 02:55.54 | rich_ | You guys read messages? Wow, that's kind. |
| 02:56.15 | Hashar | so what is "gnome" for ? :o) |
| 02:56.26 | bob2 | it pulls in everything you need |
| 02:56.36 | rich_ | Hashar its a collection of apps for the desktop I think. |
| 02:56.39 | asg | Hashar: meta-package |
| 02:56.43 | Guerin | Hashar: it's to justify the purchase of new cpu, ram, gpu and HDD |
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| 02:56.50 | Hashar | lol |
| 02:56.57 | bob2 | alindeman: they've stopped, thanks |
| 02:56.57 | asg | Guerin: thought it was for load testing |