| 00:00.07 | heidaro | ah, I see. |
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| 00:00.20 | Tenniru | Agh. |
| 00:00.35 | Tenniru | Debian just... either I can't figure it out at all or it doesn't like me. At all. |
| 00:00.35 | zimnyx | i boot from CD, kernel loads successfully(root=/dev/ram0) but i can;t mount CDRom - mount /dev/hdd /mnt/cdrom: /dev/hdd no such device.how is it possible? |
| 00:00.38 | caphuso | grr, i really need that new keyboard :-/ |
| 00:00.46 | Tenniru | Ubuntu was never this hard to use... |
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| 00:01.02 | heidaro | Is there no php5? |
| 00:01.04 | caphuso | zimnyx: use the real device name or symlink it |
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| 00:01.18 | caphuso | zimnyx: sorry, misread that |
| 00:01.25 | Tenniru | How do I get my AirPort card to connect to a network? |
| 00:01.33 | Deuce868 | heidaro: dotdeb has unofficial sources for php5 |
| 00:01.36 | zimnyx | caphuso: :) |
| 00:01.39 | caphuso | zimnyx: is that the sarge CD? |
| 00:02.01 | staniel | can grub boot an OS that resides on a SCSI drive if the grub MBR is on an IDE drive? |
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| 00:02.15 | heidaro | heh, okay, that's too much for me. ;) |
| 00:02.21 | LU7DFV | I don't understand... Woody has framebuffer console by default? I see tux when I boot, I see bigblock cursor, nice rendered fonts... But there isn't vga=blah line in my bootloader, how is that possible? |
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| 00:02.33 | zimnyx | caphuso: it's made with dfsbuild, using packages from "testing" with kernel 2.6.9-1-k7 from "unstable" |
| 00:02.33 | Tenniru | Hello? |
| 00:02.42 | phaedral | ?Ubuntu |
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| 00:02.45 | jacobsid | LU7DFV: Did you get user mount /cdrom sorted out? |
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| 00:02.54 | nevyn | LU7DFV: woody indeed has framebuffer by default.. vga16fb |
| 00:03.00 | LU7DFV | jacobsid: Yes :-) |
| 00:03.08 | caphuso | zimnyx: then i have no idea |
| 00:03.12 | jacobsid | LU7DFV: Good. What was it? |
| 00:03.19 | zimnyx | caphuso: thanks |
| 00:03.33 | Tenniru | Is there an answer to my question? |
| 00:03.36 | LU7DFV | nevyn: Oh, I see, can I disable it with vga=normal? |
| 00:03.55 | heidaro | caphuso, maestro[]; It can't find libapache2-mod-ssl...should I use the old one or? |
| 00:03.58 | phaedral | no, really, there's such a thing as ubuntu? or dpkg is smoking crack? |
| 00:04.11 | Phated | phaedral: There is. |
| 00:04.11 | LU7DFV | jacobsid: as caphuso said the problem was to mention the device, using online name (I mean mount /cdrom) worked just fine |
| 00:04.13 | caphuso | heidaro: mod_ssl comes with apache2, no additional package required |
| 00:04.15 | zimnyx | caphuso: i'm wondering how is it possible that /dev/hdd is not a device - i'm sure it's ok, and ls -l /dev/hdd shows that file exists |
| 00:04.21 | heidaro | caphuso: Ah, okay. |
| 00:04.28 | maestro[] | heidaro: Yes, I said something wrong, mod_ssl is just insode of apache2, sorru |
| 00:04.32 | scarynetworkguy | sad;u enough yes there is such a thing. |
| 00:04.33 | caphuso | zimnyx: does dmesg mention hdd? |
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| 00:04.41 | Tenniru | Okay. Seeing as how there's this lack of a response... |
| 00:04.49 | zimnyx | caphuso: good question :) |
| 00:04.53 | phaedral | Phated: thx; thought dpkg was pulling my leg |
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| 00:05.08 | bob2 | Tenniru: dude |
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| 00:05.17 | bob2 | Tenniru: if now one answers, it's because no one knows |
| 00:05.21 | maestro[] | Tenniru: I don't know whether an Ariport Card is a specific model or someting general :) |
| 00:05.21 | bob2 | it's not a conspiracy |
| 00:05.30 | Tenniru | I know. |
| 00:05.35 | IR4401 | quien a instalado una debian en 486 |
| 00:05.36 | bob2 | setting up an airport card is simple, there are a bazillion sample config files on the web |
| 00:05.38 | Tenniru | I was about to say "Next question... blahblahblah" |
| 00:05.45 | bob2 | IR4401: this is obviously an english channel |
| 00:05.46 | Tenniru | I was just typing the next question. |
| 00:05.47 | nevyn | LU7DFV: video=none as a kernel parameter.. and vga=normal |
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| 00:05.59 | LU7DFV | nevyn: Thanks |
| 00:06.00 | heidaro | One other thing, I'm trying to get kernel 2.6.9 installed but all I can find it 2.6.8, does anyone know why that is? (I'm using unstable) |
| 00:06.15 | maestro[] | heidaro: Are you on sarge? |
| 00:06.22 | nevyn | LU7DFV: I think ;) |
| 00:06.23 | Phated | phaedral: Yeah it freaking sucks. :) |
| 00:06.23 | bob2 | Tenniru: http://mega.ist.utl.pt/~mmsf/ibook.html |
| 00:06.24 | fatrat | ok i get it to respond now |
| 00:06.27 | heidaro | eh, unstable, don't remember what it's called, heh. |
| 00:06.30 | fatrat | but i get incorrect file type |
| 00:06.31 | fatrat | ? |
| 00:06.56 | bob2 | Tenniru: copy the wireless block from that sample to /etc/network/interfaces, run ifup eth1 |
| 00:07.04 | LU7DFV | nevyn: I did know vga=blah parameter, I didn't knew about "video=..." :-) |
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| 00:07.10 | Tenniru | Next question. I can't understand it when people try to explain how to reconfigure Xfree86 to allow me to go to 1024x768. The KDE app won't let me go past 800x600, but I know my monitor can go past that. |
| 00:07.21 | maestro[] | heidaro: sid? |
| 00:07.22 | heidaro | maestro[]: sid |
| 00:07.26 | heidaro | yeah. |
| 00:07.28 | Tenniru | There's this big black part on the screen, and the top repeats itself on the bottom. |
| 00:07.32 | maestro[] | heidaro: did you apt-get update ? |
| 00:07.38 | heidaro | yes |
| 00:07.42 | bob2 | Tenniru: ignore the kde app, /msg dpkg setup x |
| 00:07.49 | harryvetch | btw, I need to setup my debian as a wireless server for the area. :) |
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| 00:08.02 | maestro[] | heidaro: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.9 does not show anything? |
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| 00:08.04 | fatrat | abrotman: i get it to go past export problem but now i get incorrect file type on the thin client machine |
| 00:08.07 | fatrat | and idea? |
| 00:08.08 | RainbowW | is there a public dns server ala granite canyon that has a faster turnover rate than they do? |
| 00:08.16 | heidaro | maestro[]: right |
| 00:08.28 | acetech | is the SUN jre a good one? |
| 00:08.50 | abrotman | fatrat: no idea .. google say anything? |
| 00:08.51 | harryvetch | what are the gigabit pci cards for debian running these day? |
| 00:08.54 | harryvetch | days? |
| 00:08.55 | bob2 | RainbowW: www.everydns.net |
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| 00:09.17 | jbr | maestro[]: try kernel-image-2.6.9-i386 (or whatever) |
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| 00:09.41 | maestro[] | jbr: ? |
| 00:09.59 | Tenniru | Uh... dpkg told me to apt-get a file that apt-get claims can't be found. |
| 00:10.13 | jbr | maestro[]: the one on the mirror I'm looking at is: http://ftp.hands.com/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.9-i386/kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686_2.6.9-1_i386.deb |
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| 00:10.21 | maestro[] | heidaro: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in $flood |
| 00:10.25 | phaedral | uh, back in the bad old days when I was using an evil distro which shall remain nameless, I thought I read something about framebuffer instead of X, but I really didn't grok it...anyone? |
| 00:10.29 | maestro[] | heidaro: #flood :) |
| 00:10.36 | ricochet | Tenniru, apt-cache search file see if there is something close |
| 00:10.37 | heidaro | maestro[]: I'm using fpt.is.debian.org |
| 00:10.40 | jbr | maestro[]: (but I use kernel-source anyway) |
| 00:10.42 | CaT[tm] | err... is that 2.6.9 or 2.6.9.1? |
| 00:10.45 | maestro[] | jbr: Ehrm, I know how kernel images look like |
| 00:10.46 | bob2 | Tenniru: apt-get doesn't work on files |
| 00:10.52 | heidaro | maestro[]: And the security mirror... |
| 00:10.54 | bob2 | Tenniru: and you need to actually tell us what the error was |
| 00:11.26 | maestro[] | jbr: heidaro is looking for help, not me... |
| 00:11.42 | jbr | maestro[]: oh, sorry, yep |
| 00:11.50 | maestro[] | jbr: np |
| 00:11.55 | Tenniru | This Read-Edid thing, when searched for, is the xfree86 server. |
| 00:12.00 | Tenniru | Which I already had. |
| 00:12.00 | Phated | phaedral: Your loss, I looove 1024x768. :) |
| 00:12.05 | Tenniru | Not files. I meant that package. |
| 00:12.15 | heidaro | So should is the mirror I'm using out of date then, or? |
| 00:12.17 | bob2 | Tenniru: read-edid is only available on i386, yes |
| 00:12.26 | Tenniru | Great. I'm on PPC. |
| 00:12.35 | bob2 | yup |
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| 00:12.58 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:12.58 | dpkg | [ppc] short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 00:13.10 | bob2 | Tenniru: http://mega.ist.utl.pt/~mmsf/configs/ibook/XF86Config-4 |
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| 00:14.00 | abrotman | doesn't branden have one ? |
| 00:14.00 | harryvetch | yea didnt the powerpc go out of bussiness |
| 00:14.06 | bob2 | harryvetch: no |
| 00:14.07 | bob2 | abrotman: yeah |
| 00:14.11 | abrotman | !hurt harryvetch |
| 00:14.34 | abrotman | bob2: i meant a howto :) |
| 00:14.53 | harryvetch | bob2 could years ago saw one and was very expensive but the reseller said it loads windows nt in 7 seconds or something astronomicly fast. |
| 00:15.08 | bob2 | harryvetch: nt hasn't run on ppc since nt4.0 |
| 00:15.16 | Tenniru | Um... I clicked that link... |
| 00:15.18 | abrotman | and not even then |
| 00:15.22 | harryvetch | bob, again said years ago |
| 00:15.23 | Tenniru | What do I do with it? It opened something in KWrite. |
| 00:15.24 | abrotman | it was planned .. never released |
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| 00:15.38 | bob2 | nt4 on ppc was released |
| 00:15.48 | bob2 | the nt4 cd could install on mips, alpha, ppc and i386 |
| 00:15.52 | acetech | what would happen if i do an apt-get upgrade and have newer packages installed than the ones in the apt-get.sources file? |
| 00:15.53 | harryvetch | ive seen nt on it. |
| 00:15.53 | bob2 | Tenniru: it's a config file |
| 00:16.04 | Tenniru | I can see that, but what do I do with it? |
| 00:16.06 | bob2 | acetech: apt will do nothing |
| 00:16.11 | abrotman | bob2: i thought just alpha and x86 .. you sure that wasn't 3.51? |
| 00:16.35 | bob2 | Tenniru: download it. backup /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and then copy the file you downloaded onto it |
| 00:16.38 | bob2 | abrotman: very sure |
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| 00:17.12 | acetech | bob2: so if i have a newer version of k library it will not do anything bad to the com-puter |
| 00:17.46 | bob2 | acetech: depends if you did something stupid like installing from source to /usr/ or not |
| 00:18.35 | js_ | is what i can use hosts.{deny,allow} for limited to a couple of programs only? |
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| 00:18.45 | acetech | bob2...i changed the apt-get.sources file to unstable.... then back to testing |
| 00:18.47 | maestro[] | heidaro: I can't connect to |
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| 00:19.01 | bob2 | acetech: then you'll just have nothing to upgrade for a while |
| 00:19.02 | heidaro | maestro[]: What? ftp.is.debian.org ? |
| 00:19.26 | maestro[] | heidaro: Oh, yes, I can |
| 00:19.27 | jbr | heidaro: I don't know about the Packages file, but I see .debs at http://ftp.is.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.9-i386/ that you could grab by hand... |
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| 00:19.42 | b3nj | sorry |
| 00:19.43 | acetech | bob2, cool.... i was just worried that going back to testing wouild cause a problem |
| 00:19.49 | js_ | it put ALL: ALL in hosts.deny, but i can still connect from outside to the box to ftp and http |
| 00:19.50 | maestro[] | heidaro: what cpu do you have? |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | bob2: he's back |
| 00:20.12 | b3nj | bob2, sorry I don't know it would be sayd |
| 00:20.16 | b3nj | i just installed this plugin |
| 00:20.24 | heidaro | maestro[]: AMD 2500 XP |
| 00:20.40 | maestro[] | heidaro: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.9-1-k7 |
| 00:20.44 | bob2 | b3nj: then uninstall it |
| 00:20.52 | Tenniru | Yarg. This file I'm supposed to back up... |
| 00:20.58 | Tenniru | I rename- wait. nevermind |
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| 00:21.03 | heidaro | maestro[]: Couldn't find package. :-( |
| 00:21.03 | b3nj | bob2, usefull for other things, not for away messages |
| 00:21.22 | bob2 | b3nj: how so? |
| 00:21.35 | Tenniru | Wait, no. |
| 00:21.40 | maestro[] | heidaro: show your /etc/apt/sources.list in #flood please |
| 00:21.42 | Tenniru | I can't change the name of the thing you want me to back up. |
| 00:21.57 | b3nj | bob2, cannot explain that good, but to display computer infos maybe ... |
| 00:22.09 | b3nj | when explaining probs btw |
| 00:22.10 | bob2 | b3nj: that's also pointless and annoying |
| 00:22.19 | bob2 | but as long as it doesn't ever print anything in here again, I don't care |
| 00:22.21 | b3nj | bob2, that's your point of view |
| 00:22.24 | bob2 | Tenniru: as root |
| 00:22.40 | Tenniru | So I can't do it in Konqueror... |
| 00:22.43 | b3nj | bob2, okay that would no more appen |
| 00:22.49 | heidaro | maestro[]: Doesn't it look alright? |
| 00:22.50 | bob2 | Tenniru: correct |
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| 00:22.56 | Tenniru | (insert infuriation here) |
| 00:23.03 | maestro[] | heidaro: Yes, but I want to double check it |
| 00:23.06 | bob2 | yeah, kde does suck |
| 00:23.14 | heidaro | maestro[]: Alright :-) |
| 00:23.51 | maestro[] | heidaro: Cause if there is a typo or something in there and we don't check we loose a lot of time in searching the problem :) |
| 00:24.20 | Tenniru | What is the command to rename something, again? |
| 00:24.24 | maestro[] | Tenniru: mb |
| 00:24.26 | maestro[] | Tenniru: mv |
| 00:24.27 | heidaro | maestro[]: hehe, true. |
| 00:24.47 | lunaphyte | where does a user's crontab file get stored? |
| 00:25.06 | harryvetch | bob2, i like kde. |
| 00:25.06 | bob2 | lunaphyte: use crontab -e to edit it |
| 00:25.11 | bob2 | harryvetch: good for you |
| 00:25.20 | harryvetch | what do u like |
| 00:25.22 | bob2 | I like pudding |
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| 00:25.32 | lunaphyte | bob2: i'm trying to remember what i had in an old one. |
| 00:25.41 | harryvetch | pudding :) |
| 00:25.52 | jbr | lunaphyte: they're stored in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
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| 00:26.02 | lunaphyte | thanks |
| 00:26.28 | jbr | lunaphyte: crontab -l |
| 00:26.32 | Tenniru | Ah... I feel silly, but now I've forgotten the command to move a file in the terminal. |
| 00:26.47 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:26.47 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 00:27.15 | Phated | Tenniru: mv. |
| 00:27.20 | Tenniru | Oh yeah... |
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| 00:27.30 | Tenniru | I forgot move is the same as rename. |
| 00:27.42 | Phated | You really have not done much in the console, have you. |
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| 00:28.03 | heidaro | so maestro[], any idea why I'm not seeing the 2.6.9 kerne images? :-/ |
| 00:28.21 | maestro[] | heidaro: Did you paste the /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:28.26 | heidaro | yeah |
| 00:28.37 | bob2 | that was one of the things that confused me about unix for years |
| 00:28.56 | Tenniru | Okay, finally. File moved. |
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| 00:28.59 | Tenniru | Now what? |
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| 00:29.45 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: really? |
| 00:30.00 | mmurrian | Hi all, I am trying to get bttv and tuner to work correctly w/ my ATI TV-Wonder VE card (on kernel 2.6.9) ... options bttv tuner=2 does not do anything ... dmesg says ignoring new style params. in presence of old ones ... but it still defaults to the improper tuner type of 19 |
| 00:30.13 | Tenniru | The XF86 config file, I mean... |
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| 00:30.21 | Tenniru | Now that it's there, what do I do? |
| 00:30.33 | Tenniru | Just reboot, or can I change the resolution now? |
| 00:30.56 | bob2 | restart X |
| 00:31.18 | Tenniru | What's the command for that? |
| 00:31.57 | phaedral | best app in sarge for backing up my music cds? |
| 00:32.04 | phaedral | k3b? |
| 00:32.27 | green_earz | yes |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | arson looks interesting |
| 00:32.52 | abrotman | i'm not a kde person |
| 00:32.55 | abrotman | i like eroaster |
| 00:32.56 | LaptopAncient | mmurrian: i just have tuner type=2 in my /etc/modules |
| 00:33.02 | abrotman | but arson does look interesting |
| 00:33.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah but then somebody calls the cops and it all goes south. |
| 00:33.26 | phaedral | abrotman: am i gonna have to got root to use it |
| 00:33.32 | phaedral | scarynetworkguy: lol |
| 00:33.50 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 00:33.51 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 00:33.55 | abrotman | phaedral: to use what? |
| 00:34.02 | green_earz | phaedral: you could check the dd command to lift them as a .iso |
| 00:34.02 | harryvetch | mmurrian also ask in #motion |
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| 00:34.54 | phaedral | abrotman: arson |
| 00:34.56 | acetech | would anybody know why mozilla would not show the libjava.so plugin.... i put it in the plugin director with a sim link |
| 00:35.02 | bob2 | Tenniru: how did you start it? |
| 00:35.07 | abrotman | phaedral: see above .. i dislike kde .. very much |
| 00:35.08 | Tenniru | Start X? |
| 00:35.13 | mmurrian | okay, thanks |
| 00:35.22 | Tenniru | Well, I installed the desktop environments during the install... |
| 00:35.28 | Tenniru | And it automatically took me to the login window. |
| 00:35.38 | Tenniru | I just installed Debian (after switching from Ubuntu). |
| 00:35.40 | phaedral | abrotman: thought you were rec. arson as non-kde... |
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| 00:35.48 | abrotman | !depends arson |
| 00:35.50 | dpkg | arson: depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.2.3), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfam0c102, libflac4, libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | libogg0 (>= 1.1.0), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.5.0-4), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.3-3), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libvorbis0a (>= 1.0.1-1), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.0.1-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxrender1, cdda2wav, cdrdao, kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.1.4-2) |
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| 00:36.07 | abrotman | no .. it's a qt app |
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| 00:36.27 | abrotman | err kde app |
| 00:36.34 | Tenniru | Should I just reboot my computer? |
| 00:36.42 | green_earz | Tenniru: which version sarge or woody |
| 00:36.49 | Tenniru | Sarge. |
| 00:36.51 | Tenniru | PPC. |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:37.12 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 00:37.18 | acetech | if libjavaplugin_oji.so is in the directory /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ then should i not see the plugin and have it workign under mozilla? |
| 00:37.27 | green_earz | Tenniru, have you used the net install yet ? |
| 00:37.37 | Tenniru | Of Sarge? |
| 00:37.42 | Tenniru | Yes, that's how I got where I am. |
| 00:38.02 | phaedral | Tenniru: I feel for ya; just got here from Knoppix |
| 00:38.02 | maestro[] | acetech: Are there any errors on startup? |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | acetech: about:plugins? |
| 00:38.17 | avoid | I've just # ./j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin in order to have my Java libaries, which allow me to play those java applets. It created a directory, named "j2re1.4.2_05" with lots of stuff. what should I do with it now ? |
| 00:38.21 | Tenniru | Before Ubuntu, I was on MacOS X. Pure pain on this little iBook. |
| 00:38.30 | acetech | maestrop[]: no errors on startup |
| 00:38.37 | Tenniru | Still running OS X on my G4. |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i heard there's a cartoon on tonight ? |
| 00:38.58 | acetech | abrotman: this is where i look on "about:plugins" with no luck to see the java plugin |
| 00:39.01 | bob2 | Tenniru: log out, hit ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 00:39.01 | Tenniru | Now, how do I restart X? Or should I just reboot the whole machine? |
| 00:39.06 | phaedral | jack? that's what I was thinking about, Jack? |
| 00:39.08 | Tenniru | Okay. Thanks. |
| 00:39.42 | Babboia | daniels? |
| 00:39.59 | abrotman | acetech: /msg dpkg install java |
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| 00:40.31 | green_earz | avoid: have you check out apt-get.org for the apt-get way |
| 00:40.34 | acetech | abrotman, i have looked at this |
| 00:40.39 | cafuego | avoid: rm -rf it. |
| 00:40.42 | zimnyx | can i extract initrc.img ? |
| 00:41.08 | avoid | cafuego: really ? :) |
| 00:41.12 | cafuego | avoid: Yes. |
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| 00:41.22 | avoid | and then ? |
| 00:41.29 | cafuego | avoid: 1) There is a blackdown deb for that java version. 2) There is a newer .bin for it. |
| 00:41.51 | avoid | cafuego: apt-get install java, or what ? |
| 00:42.00 | acetech | abrotman: dpkg directs me to a webpage and i get errors on installing the java-package |
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| 00:42.13 | cafuego | avoid: if 1) /msg dpkg backdown debs. If 2) http://java.sun.com; apt-get install java-package; fakeroot make-jpkg ./jre_1.5.0_foo.bin |
| 00:42.24 | abrotman | acetech: what kind of errors? |
| 00:42.26 | acetech | abrotman: it does say he is running sid, i have testing in my apt-get.sources is this the correct one |
| 00:42.32 | cafuego | avoid: '/msg dpkg blackdown debs' even |
| 00:42.41 | abrotman | acetech: see what cafuego is saying |
| 00:42.42 | green_earz | avoid: deb http://www.linex.org/sources/linex/debian sarge linex > for j2re1.4 |
| 00:42.44 | acetech | abrotman: it just does not have the packages it asks me to get with apt-get |
| 00:42.58 | avoid | green_earz: I'm using sid |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | acetech: which package? |
| 00:43.29 | green_earz | replace sarge with sid |
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| 00:43.43 | abrotman | !pick up thomas_adam |
| 00:43.47 | FragOnly | what license is glibc under? |
| 00:43.53 | abrotman | not quite what i wanted |
| 00:43.54 | thomas_adam | :/ |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | FragOnly: it's on the packages page |
| 00:44.09 | thomas_adam | FragOnly: yourMomPL. |
| 00:44.16 | abrotman | thomas_adam: soo .. not funny |
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| 00:44.20 | FragOnly | abrotman, of debians page? |
| 00:44.21 | zimnyx | can i see what modules are in initrd.img ? |
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| 00:44.24 | acetech | abrotman, java-package and sun-j2sdk1.5debian do not work when trying to do an apt-get install |
| 00:44.28 | abrotman | FragOnly: packages.debian.org |
| 00:44.28 | thomas_adam | abrotman: your mom jokes are classics. |
| 00:44.33 | green_earz | acetech: check out apt-get.org for a url |
| 00:44.37 | FragOnly | abrotman, thanks, i was looking around glibc's page ;) |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | acetech: apt-get update first? |
| 00:44.52 | abrotman | thomas_adam: says who? ... your mom? |
| 00:45.06 | thomas_adam | :P |
| 00:45.17 | acetech | abrotman, i did this |
| 00:45.27 | acetech | abrotman, i did do an apt-get update |
| 00:45.30 | abrotman | acetech: and you have no mpkg-j2se ? |
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| 00:45.51 | avoid | I hate that java thing |
| 00:45.53 | avoid | uf. |
| 00:45.59 | cafuego | Then don't use it. |
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| 00:46.04 | Tenniru | Well, now it seems X won't start. |
| 00:46.05 | Tenniru | At all. |
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| 00:46.22 | acetech | abtotman: apt-get is returning Couldn't find package mpkg-j2se |
| 00:46.31 | Tenniru | "No screens found." |
| 00:46.34 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:46.41 | cafuego | Nvidia user? |
| 00:46.50 | Tenniru | It's an ATI. |
| 00:46.53 | abrotman | cafuego: wasn't mpkg-j2se in sarge? |
| 00:46.57 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah somthing along those lines. |
| 00:47.01 | Tenniru | It used to work, but I changed my config file. |
| 00:47.02 | cafuego | abrotman: No idea |
| 00:47.02 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 00:47.13 | cafuego | Tenniru: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:47.31 | Tenniru | Thanks much. |
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| 00:47.38 | cafuego | Tenniru: You may need to read the top of your cfg file regarding the md5sum before that command will work. |
| 00:47.41 | acetech | should i change the sarge to sid? |
| 00:47.46 | cafuego | acetech: No. |
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| 00:48.09 | abrotman | acetech: well . it used to be there |
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| 00:48.24 | acetech | <cafuego>: do you want me msg you the sources.list i have? |
| 00:48.31 | cafuego | acetech: No, I don't. |
| 00:48.36 | bob2 | FragOnly: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.3.2.ds1-18/copyright |
| 00:48.42 | abrotman | cafuego: install java says to use mpkg-j2se .. which in turn says to use j2se-package .. neither of which exist in sarge or sid |
| 00:48.48 | cafuego | Not to mention that you can't seeing as you're not registered with nickserv. |
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| 00:49.14 | cafuego | abrotman: I told him about blackdown and java-package; both of which *do* exist *and* work. |
| 00:49.23 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 00:49.39 | Tenniru | Okay... how do I reconfigure X, again? |
| 00:49.44 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 00:49.44 | dpkg | xcfg is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:49.45 | FragOnly | bob2, thnx |
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| 00:49.56 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: indeed. |
| 00:49.57 | green_earz | acetech: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?que...=Submit&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i heard it will suck |
| 00:50.16 | cafuego | if you jkeep getting "No screens found", choose the "easy config" option and disable The framebuffer option. |
| 00:50.22 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: likely. |
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| 00:50.33 | Tenniru | How do I reach that point? |
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| 00:50.39 | Tenniru | Where I can select easy-config? |
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| 00:50.45 | cafuego | Tenniru: it will ask you. |
| 00:50.49 | maestro[] | Tenniru: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 00:50.57 | Tenniru | Enter that very command? |
| 00:51.01 | Phated | Somehow I have a feeling Tenniru has not been doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 00:51.02 | cafuego | Tenniru: yes |
| 00:51.03 | jbr | Tenniru: should we tell you another time for luck? |
| 00:51.04 | Phated | See? |
| 00:51.06 | Tenniru | As root, or a user? |
| 00:51.07 | maestro[] | Tenniru: Enter it as root |
| 00:51.13 | Tenniru | Oh. |
| 00:51.15 | Tenniru | No wonder... |
| 00:51.18 | cafuego | Tenniru: Try both and see which one works :-/ |
| 00:51.21 | Tenniru | Thanks. I'm just... a newbie. |
| 00:51.24 | Phated | OK, Tenniru, you were told that command TENS of times and you never asked?! |
| 00:51.24 | phaedral | apt-get update; it's not gonna go install everything, right? |
| 00:51.38 | Phated | phaedral: It updates your package files. It doesn't install anything. |
| 00:51.39 | maestro[] | Phated: :) |
| 00:51.46 | cafuego | phaedral: apt-get update doesn't install ANYTHING |
| 00:51.48 | jbr | still, at least we know he can get root |
| 00:51.52 | Phated | maestro[]: *shrugs* Your patience outlasts mine. |
| 00:52.06 | maestro[] | Phated: btw, my patient is satisfied |
| 00:52.12 | Phated | maestro[]: Finally. :) |
| 00:52.21 | maestro[] | Phated: more or less... tv output works |
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| 00:52.32 | Phated | jbr: Yeah but we do know he doesn't have the capability to follow instructions. |
| 00:52.34 | Phated | maestro[]: Nice. |
| 00:52.44 | scarynetworkguy | some people just can't be trained. |
| 00:52.50 | Phated | Pancakes, anyone? |
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| 00:52.59 | abrotman | !train scarynetworkguy |
| 00:53.05 | cafuego | phaedral: Do i look like I'm canadian? |
| 00:53.13 | cafuego | s/phaedral/Phated/ |
| 00:53.15 | Phated | Oh, hm, tenniru is gone. Lovely. |
| 00:53.24 | Phated | cafuego: Very well, no pancakes for you. |
| 00:53.25 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: :) |
| 00:53.37 | acetech | green_earz, i just founr the java_package file..... i think this may work |
| 00:53.44 | avoid | !j2se-package |
| 00:53.44 | dpkg | i guess j2se-package is a tool to convert Sun's java packages into Java policy compliant debian packages. The resulting packages handle setting up the java plugin for various browsers. http://z42.de/debian/ |
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| 00:54.10 | xLobeznox | mmm |
| 00:54.30 | avoid | so, j2se, or j4re ? |
| 00:55.17 | cafuego | Yes |
| 00:55.24 | phaedral | apt-get console update prog? |
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| 00:55.31 | phaedral | in apt-common? |
| 00:55.32 | Phated | Eh? |
| 00:55.47 | thomas_adam | phaedral: apt-setup |
| 00:55.49 | phaedral | Phated: there's a cui for setting my apt-get sources.. |
| 00:55.55 | yanger | eh, if lycoris is based on debian, is there a way to install compiling programs into lycoris? |
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| 00:55.59 | mainiac | greetings all... got a question... how do I change the gui I'm using? |
| 00:56.00 | Phated | phaedral: What thomas_adam said. |
| 00:56.09 | cafuego | yanger: Ask on #lycoris. We neither know nor care. |
| 00:56.16 | Phated | Not ANOTHER based-on! |
| 00:56.19 | yanger | heh they're stubborn as well |
| 00:56.28 | hexxeh | mainiac, that depends how you got to your current one |
| 00:56.34 | cafuego | How would #debian know about lycoris? |
| 00:56.37 | phaedral | having trouble finding the package apt-setup is in... |
| 00:56.38 | thomas_adam | Lycoris is old, Phated. |
| 00:56.45 | Phated | thomas_adam: New to me. :/ |
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| 00:56.53 | Phated | phaedral: base-config. |
| 00:56.56 | TekEmperor | hey cool it's doing stuff. |
| 00:57.04 | TekEmperor | How do I make TV work? |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | !kill Old Navy |
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| 00:57.21 | cafuego | TekEmperor: Hit the power button on the remote constol. |
| 00:57.21 | mainiac | hexxeh: well, when in installed Debian, I chose KDE, but when i upgraded to sarge, I got gnome and don't know how to change it back |
| 00:57.29 | hexxeh | lycoris wasn't even remotely debian based last i checked |
| 00:57.29 | Phated | dpkg is getting creative, isn't he. |
| 00:57.29 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Phated |
| 00:57.43 | phaedral | base-config (try searching in package contents...) |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | Phated: at least he didn't moron you :) |
| 00:57.48 | Phated | abrotman: Haha. |
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| 00:57.58 | thomas_adam | phaedral: YOu're making no sense. |
| 00:58.00 | Phated | phaedral: Wha-? Just install it... |
| 00:58.01 | hexxeh | mainiac, and it magically appears out of nowhere when you turn on your pc? what's the chain of events from you typing a username to having gnome |
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| 00:58.25 | phaedral | Phated: if "just installing it" worked would I still be asking? |
| 00:58.26 | thomas_adam | It wont have been uninstalled anytime soon..... |
| 00:58.27 | TekEmperor | cafuego, LoL. That's not exactly what I meant. |
| 00:58.29 | abrotman | mainiac: you want gnome :) |
| 00:58.31 | thomas_adam | phaedral: run apt-setup as root. |
| 00:58.39 | Phated | phaedral: OK, once you install it, you do what thomas_adam said. |
| 00:58.42 | TekEmperor | But the show is on so I'm going to try that now anyway. |
| 00:58.52 | mainiac | hexxeh: when I boot up, I get a dialog box asking for a username and password, I enter them and then the Gnome screen comes up |
| 00:59.01 | abrotman | mainiac: is it kdm or gdm? |
| 00:59.04 | hexxeh | mainiac, so XDM, then? |
| 00:59.05 | phaedral | yeah, now that i've found apt-setup in in base-config, can do :) |
| 00:59.11 | Phated | And you don't have any menu that lets you choose what environment...? |
| 00:59.17 | mainiac | gdm i guess, how would I know? |
| 00:59.24 | thomas_adam | mainiac: Intuition. |
| 00:59.25 | tvn | looks like the Firefox 1.0 's 10 mil download in 10 days is not reachable |
| 00:59.26 | Phated | phaedral: OK hold on we -told- you that it was in base-config. :/ |
| 00:59.32 | abrotman | mainiac: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 00:59.35 | scarynetworkguy | mainiac: you would use the ancient art of "reading". |
| 00:59.40 | Phated | tvn: Tell that to someone who cares. |
| 00:59.45 | abrotman | mainiac: what does it say? |
| 00:59.54 | mainiac | ahh, xdm is listed in my default-display-manager |
| 01:00.05 | abrotman | mainiac: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 01:00.14 | hexxeh | kdm smells. gdm fo' life |
| 01:00.15 | G0v | ?: My webserver is not executing PHP (the browser tries to download the file. YES PHP is installed, YES the correct AddType is present, yes I have a line in modules.conf to load it. Why is apache not executing PHP??? |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | mainiac: choose kdm as your display manager |
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| 01:00.33 | thomas_adam | xdm rocks. |
| 01:00.41 | Phated | gdm does. |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | thomas_adam rocks. |
| 01:00.50 | abrotman | and he rolls |
| 01:00.53 | mainiac | abrotman: tnx. I have since downloaded fluxbox per your recommendation. should that show up as an option? |
| 01:00.55 | thomas_adam | I am a geologist at heart. |
| 01:00.55 | abrotman | and kind of nutates |
| 01:00.59 | Phated | Insert "has" and "in his head". |
| 01:00.59 | thomas_adam | abrotman: pecans. |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | mainiac: i recommended blackbox :) |
| 01:01.11 | hexxeh | mainiac, kdm and gdm will list options for which dm to use |
| 01:01.11 | Phated | Hahaha. |
| 01:01.22 | abrotman | thomas_adam: no .. not this past weekend .. see above to scarynetworkguy about crappy wedding |
| 01:01.27 | hexxeh | mainiac, well, gdm definitely will, i've had less luck with kdm |
| 01:01.36 | thomas_adam | :| |
| 01:01.37 | mainiac | ok, In notice that fluxbox is a derivative of blackbox |
| 01:01.45 | bob2 | yeah |
| 01:01.52 | thomas_adam | [Lag: 5.26] |
| 01:01.52 | bob2 | one of the lessor forks |
| 01:01.52 | abrotman | mainiac: it is |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | blackbox is the best IMO |
| 01:02.03 | Phated | mainiac: He recommended blackbox and you downloaded fluxbox... ADD, much? |
| 01:02.03 | phaedral | Phated: yes, indeed you *did* say base-config |
| 01:02.10 | Phated | phaedral: OK, now what? |
| 01:02.16 | abrotman | but not everyone agrees .. but i'll hunt them down and kill them |
| 01:02.25 | thomas_adam | abrotman: You can't catch me. :P |
| 01:02.28 | Phated | I don't agree, and you can't afford a ticket here, haha! |
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| 01:02.37 | Phated | thomas_adam: You're not the gingerbread man! |
| 01:02.47 | Phated | abrotman: He's a KDE supporter. |
| 01:02.52 | mainiac | well ... not to stir up trouble, but last week when abrotman was working with me on fixing my sound, he did recommend fluxbox but... |
| 01:02.59 | abrotman | Phated: he can still prefer blackbox over fluxbox :) |
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| 01:03.01 | Phated | abrotman: They'll join forces and hunt you down. |
| 01:03.01 | phaedral | Phated: it's called an apology; I know, you don't see them much in irc |
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| 01:03.16 | Phated | phaedral: You're right, I don't, and I'm not sure why I'm getting one at all. |
| 01:03.19 | mainiac | now on to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:03.20 | abrotman | Phated: they can't get in .. we have john ashcroft :) |
| 01:03.21 | PerfDave | Muahahahahaha |
| 01:03.27 | Phated | abrotman: Haha. |
| 01:03.29 | PerfDave | Well, hello, thomas_adam :) |
| 01:03.30 | Phated | PerfDave: Oh hush. |
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| 01:03.36 | Phated | And so it begins... |
| 01:03.36 | sussudio | abrotman: he resigned. |
| 01:03.39 | mainiac | I'll be happy to try blackbox as well, one at a time |
| 01:03.40 | thomas_adam | Get that foot out of my door.... |
| 01:03.42 | abrotman | sussudio: i know .. |
| 01:03.44 | Phated | Ah yes true. |
| 01:03.44 | phaedral | Phated: because you *did* say base-config and I missed it |
| 01:03.47 | abrotman | sussudio: it was a joke |
| 01:03.48 | Phated | abrotman: You're DEAD! |
| 01:03.53 | abrotman | !steal abrotman's sense of humor |
| 01:04.01 | thomas_adam | phaedral: many people suggested it to you. |
| 01:04.01 | yanger | Gwen Stefani is weird |
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| 01:04.22 | PerfDave | It's not my fault that KDE is the only Linux desktop worth using :) |
| 01:04.27 | Phated | BAH! |
| 01:04.31 | Phated | !be thomas_adam barbie |
| 01:04.31 | dpkg | fvwm is sooo cool. Let's go shopping, teehee. |
| 01:04.31 | maestro[] | PerfDave: huh? |
| 01:04.32 | meli | hi. just asked on linux but everyone seems to be sleeping. is a wlan card usually called wlan0 or eth1? |
| 01:04.35 | yanger | PerfDave, i like xfce |
| 01:04.40 | yanger | :) |
| 01:04.49 | PerfDave | yanger: Some strange, lonely people like xfce, but they need to get out more ;) |
| 01:04.52 | Phated | phaedral: Shut up and stop talking in actions. |
| 01:05.04 | Phated | I like XFCE4 you bloody bastard! |
| 01:05.05 | abrotman | !beer thomas_adam |
| 01:05.10 | yanger | :| imo, ur just scared :P |
| 01:05.10 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 01:05.13 | PerfDave | Phated: I know :) |
| 01:05.17 | PerfDave | !ur |
| 01:05.17 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:05.19 | Phated | PerfDave: Bastard. |
| 01:05.27 | Phated | He is? |
| 01:05.32 | abrotman | thomas_adam: you should stop that :) |
| 01:05.36 | Phated | Well in that case. |
| 01:05.46 | maestro[] | PerfDave: I bet that my environment looks betther than your kde :) |
| 01:06.01 | Phated | Hm I can't think of any reward factoid that doesn't involve alcohol. |
| 01:06.06 | zirikili | meli , depends... some is called hdlc0, hdlc1... |
| 01:06.11 | sussudio | !win Phated |
| 01:06.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, Phated! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 01:06.15 | PerfDave | maestro[]: The Mona Lisa probably looks better than my KDE, but that's fucking useless for getting anything done with too :) |
| 01:06.25 | Phated | Oooh that's harsh. |
| 01:06.30 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: teatoteller... |
| 01:06.31 | Phated | PerfDave: He's fvwm, incidentally. |
| 01:06.48 | PerfDave | Phated: Oh yeah? I used that once *snark* |
| 01:06.57 | maestro[] | PerfDave: You have to have a nice-looking environment, I can't work if my desktop looks ugly |
| 01:06.58 | Phated | PerfDave: You DID?! Good lord. |
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| 01:07.18 | Phated | Eh, false! |
| 01:07.19 | thomas_adam | Yep. |
| 01:07.24 | PerfDave | maestro[]: My desktop doesn't look ugly. It has a nice scarygoround backdrop :) |
| 01:07.36 | Phated | thomas_adam: You have very little to say about pretty desktops, I've seen your screenshot. :) |
| 01:07.58 | Phated | What the heck is a scarygoround? |
| 01:07.59 | maestro[] | PerfDave: Hm ok. |
| 01:08.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy on crack? |
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| 01:08.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Where my house is? |
| 01:08.11 | maestro[] | Phated: lol |
| 01:08.17 | Phated | maestro[]: :) |
| 01:08.23 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No that doesn't count. |
| 01:08.27 | meli | zirikili: thanks for your answer, this is helpful. i also found in some documentation: modprobe ipw2200 ifname=wlan%d can be used to give the device name :-) |
| 01:08.32 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: damn. |
| 01:08.45 | PerfDave | Phated: It's a rather silly webcomic |
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| 01:08.52 | Phated | PerfDave: Ah. |
| 01:09.11 | boingo | where should I tell apt-get to look for packages? It can't stat the currently set location (linuxppc). |
| 01:09.19 | FieldySnuts | @fuck java |
| 01:09.19 | BongBot | FieldySnuts: Error: 'fuck' is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.24 | FieldySnuts | who the hell is BongBot ? |
| 01:09.25 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 01:09.25 | PerfDave | BongBot: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 01:09.26 | BongBot | PerfDave: Error: '/msg' is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.28 | maestro[] | boingo: apt-setup |
| 01:09.34 | FieldySnuts | sigh. |
| 01:09.37 | Phated | Whoa we need to get BongBot off here. |
| 01:09.38 | PerfDave | boingo: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 01:09.48 | PerfDave | Phated: http://www.scarygoround.com/ |
| 01:09.49 | Phated | @ belongs to ravenbird, damnit, who is now off... |
| 01:09.50 | BongBot | Phated: Error: 'belongs' is not a valid command. |
| 01:09.53 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 01:09.56 | Phated | Crap. |
| 01:10.02 | thomas_adam | Phated: :'( |
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| 01:10.05 | boingo | maestro[]: thanks |
| 01:10.06 | FieldySnuts | ops hide on sunday too |
| 01:10.10 | Phated | thomas_adam: Eh? |
| 01:10.10 | thomas_adam | My desktop is nice... |
| 01:10.17 | scarynetworkguy | Hm looks like we need an op. |
| 01:10.21 | boingo | maestro[]: and what should it be set to? |
| 01:10.24 | PerfDave | !ops |
| 01:10.24 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 01:10.28 | abrotman | BongBot: who owns you |
| 01:10.28 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: in a CDE sort of way. :P |
| 01:10.31 | Phated | thomas_adam: Oh sure, and teddybears and made of snow. |
| 01:10.31 | BongBot | abrotman: Error: 'who' is not a valid command. |
| 01:10.34 | bob2 | ? |
| 01:10.35 | thomas_adam | :D |
| 01:10.35 | meli | i wonder if there is any debian kernel (prebuild) that has support for the ipw2200 intel wireless lan card - can someone give me a hint where to search? i've tried to build it myselfe but didn't work |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | BongBot: smoke |
| 01:10.36 | BongBot | abrotman: Error: 'smoke' is not a valid command. |
| 01:10.37 | Phated | are* |
| 01:10.37 | FieldySnuts | BongBot: who is your owner? |
| 01:10.37 | maestro[] | boingo: something near your location |
| 01:10.37 | BongBot | FieldySnuts: Error: 'who' is not a valid command. |
| 01:10.41 | *** mode/#debian [+b bongbot!*@*] by Rez |
| 01:10.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 01:10.42 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-67-112-201-203.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net] by helix |
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| 01:10.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 01:10.44 | helix | oh |
| 01:10.45 | FieldySnuts | thanks Rez |
| 01:10.48 | *** mode/#debian [-b bongbot!*@*] by Rez |
| 01:10.49 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 01:10.50 | Phated | Whoa classy. |
| 01:10.51 | FieldySnuts | thank somebody |
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| 01:10.56 | helix | hi Rez :) |
| 01:10.59 | Rez | hi helix :) |
| 01:11.00 | maestro[] | meli: Ehrm |
| 01:11.07 | RichiH | it is teh helix |
| 01:11.09 | Phated | You guys are getting good at this, you know? :) |
| 01:11.11 | maestro[] | meli: What kernel are you runninf atm? |
| 01:11.17 | PerfDave | Cheers Rez, helix |
| 01:11.29 | resiak | !beer Rez |
| 01:11.31 | resiak | etc. |
| 01:11.47 | meli | maestro[]: the knoppix 3.6 releases 2.4.27 or 2.6.7 (but both don't include the modules for the 2200 ipw intel wlan card) |
| 01:11.57 | maestro[] | wuah! |
| 01:12.25 | maestro[] | meli: I know how to enable ipw2200 support for debian, but not for knoppix :( |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: oh .. you don't get it for 3 more hours eh? |
| 01:12.33 | FieldySnuts | knoppix needs some badgers shoved down it's cakehole |
| 01:12.42 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I dunno. |
| 01:12.51 | meli | maestro[]: i think this is _nearly_ the same because knoppix is based on debian |
| 01:12.52 | abrotman | mmm .. pizza |
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| 01:13.05 | Phated | Hah! |
| 01:13.05 | hexxeh | !knoppixsmite meli |
| 01:13.06 | maestro[] | meli: read the topic |
| 01:13.09 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 01:13.11 | PerfDave | !based on debian |
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| 01:13.12 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
| 01:13.12 | FieldySnuts | hahahaha |
| 01:13.20 | Phated | Anything based on Debian is not going to be exactly the same, nor even nearly. |
| 01:13.21 | meli | maestro[]: could you try to give me some hints? i've loaded the modules already and sometimes they seem to block my boot up. |
| 01:13.47 | maestro[] | meli: No, I really can't... it would be wrong to give advices for a system I don't know |
| 01:13.49 | PerfDave | meli: #knoppix is over ---> that way :) |
| 01:13.49 | Phated | It's like Orcs and Elves. Debian = Elves, based-on = corrupted and mutilated versions of Elves, AKA Orcs. |
| 01:13.51 | paolo | Hi guys! How do I get the mountd daemos listen on a fixed port? |
| 01:13.58 | scarynetworkguy | I heard that all of the "based on" things cause cancer. |
| 01:13.59 | maestro[] | meli: And what I could show you is how to compile the module |
| 01:14.01 | meli | PerfDave: thanks |
| 01:14.03 | PerfDave | Phated: You *so* need to get out more ;) |
| 01:14.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nice* |
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| 01:14.09 | abrotman | woohoo .. SEPTA is gonna shut down maybe |
| 01:14.13 | phaedral | Phated: bigotry = bigotry |
| 01:14.14 | FieldySnuts | who? |
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| 01:14.18 | Phated | PerfDave: I know who Brad Pitt is, it's enough. :) |
| 01:14.22 | PerfDave | Are orcs corrupted versions of elves then? |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: SouthEast PA Transit |
| 01:14.29 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: yes. |
| 01:14.31 | PerfDave | No, wait, I don't care about D&D enough :) |
| 01:14.33 | maestro[] | meli: But if you already have one which is not working, your guess is as good as mine |
| 01:14.34 | Phated | phaedral: Sue me. This is #debian. Anything else that gets in here needs a boot in the arse. |
| 01:14.39 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: last time it happened .. it was the trains . that was great |
| 01:14.43 | Phated | PerfDave: Lord of the rings, actually. |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | thomas_adam: no more beer for you! |
| 01:14.50 | Phated | thomas_adam: You all right there? |
| 01:15.03 | meli | maestro[]: how to compile the module would be fine. i've already set up a running kernel but the modules give some strange results on bootup - i've followed every line in the INSTALL and README file supplied with the 0.13 package of the intel ipw2200 driver on ipw2200.sf.net |
| 01:15.05 | PerfDave | Phated: I don't care about that either, never read it, never intend to, films sucked. |
| 01:15.05 | thomas_adam | Brad Pitt. |
| 01:15.08 | thomas_adam | Pffft. |
| 01:15.31 | Phated | thomas_adam: Jealous, are we. |
| 01:15.31 | PerfDave | meli: To compile the module on Debian uses a Debian-specific process which doesn't AFAIK exist in Knoppix. |
| 01:15.36 | FieldySnuts | Phated: methinks so ;0 |
| 01:15.37 | Phated | PerfDave: Yeah yeah. |
| 01:15.44 | Phated | FieldySnuts: As do I, sister. |
| 01:15.47 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 01:15.52 | PerfDave | Brad Pitt has his moments. Didn't like him in Ocean's 11, but he was hawt in Troy. |
| 01:15.53 | asuffield | jealous of *what*? |
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| 01:16.02 | Phated | PerfDave: He was crap in Troy. |
| 01:16.04 | thomas_adam | His good looks. |
| 01:16.10 | PerfDave | Phated: He was crap, but he looked hawt. |
| 01:16.10 | resiak | meli: Ack, ipw2200. Never did make it work :( |
| 01:16.21 | resiak | Phated: It was all about the oil ;) |
| 01:16.25 | mainiac | ok, I tried dpkg-reconfigure kdm, it said kdm wasn't properly installed. so I ran dpkg-reconfigure xdm. it gave me a choice of xdm (the default) or gnome. No kdm no fluxbox. any ideas? |
| 01:16.26 | Phated | PerfDave: OK we'll admit that he was nothing more than eyecandy. |
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| 01:16.32 | Phated | resiak: The butt, my good man, the butt. |
| 01:16.33 | maestro[] | meli: Ok, for debian it would be: check /etc/apt/sources.list, add contrib and non-free after main, apt-get install the newest kernel image and the relating kernel source, apt-get install ipw2200-source module-assistant, module-assistant a-i iwp2200 |
| 01:16.45 | resiak | Phated: Oil + Butt = Smiley Phated? |
| 01:16.47 | resiak | :p |
| 01:16.54 | resiak | Phated: That sounded really wrong. Sorry. |
| 01:16.56 | PerfDave | I'd be jealous of a man who has a few millions of dollars in the bank and could shag just about every woman he wanted. |
| 01:16.58 | Phated | resiak: Yeah it does. |
| 01:17.00 | pook | hello everyone |
| 01:17.04 | maestro[] | meli: But it may screw your knoppix, I warned you |
| 01:17.04 | PerfDave | resiak: cake + butt = smiley abrotman |
| 01:17.05 | asuffield | I thought he was mostly popular with the over-40s anyway |
| 01:17.08 | meli | PerfDave: make-dpkg kernel_image worked quite nice, even the standard debian installation scripts with lilo worked out of the box so i don't see any knoppix <-> debian hickhack here :-) take it easy |
| 01:17.10 | resiak | Phated: I didn't mean it like that. You know what I meant. Hah. |
| 01:17.10 | Phated | PerfDave: So would I... No wait, actually, I'd want him. :) |
| 01:17.17 | Phated | resiak: No, what -did- you mean? |
| 01:17.20 | meli | maestro[]: i don't fear a _screw up_ :-) |
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| 01:17.28 | maestro[] | meli: Ok |
| 01:17.31 | abrotman | PerfDave: you love cakebutt |
| 01:17.35 | PerfDave | abrotman: I do. |
| 01:17.35 | resiak | Phated: Well oiled Brad Pitt, who has a nice ass => happy Phated? |
| 01:17.42 | FieldySnuts | staying out of this. |
| 01:17.45 | pook | what is the command used to modify your wireless network config |
| 01:17.49 | Phated | resiak: No. He looked better in, say... Fight Club. |
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| 01:17.55 | maestro[] | pook: iwconfig |
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| 01:17.56 | FieldySnuts | fight club! yes |
| 01:17.57 | meli | maestro[]: ok i need some times to follow your instructions, give me 10 mins |
| 01:17.59 | scarynetworkguy | pook: vim /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:18.01 | PerfDave | He so didn't look better in fight club. |
| 01:18.04 | resiak | Phated: I can see that. But the _armo[u]r_! |
| 01:18.04 | maestro[] | meli: ok |
| 01:18.13 | pook | thats right... |
| 01:18.13 | PerfDave | He wasn't wearing so much leather. Mmmm, greaves :) |
| 01:18.15 | Phated | He was soo hot in Fight Club. |
| 01:18.22 | FieldySnuts | hell yes |
| 01:18.24 | Phated | resiak: Meh, it was lousy armour. |
| 01:18.29 | PerfDave | Phated: Only when he had his shirt off and was all bloody and stuff. |
| 01:18.33 | Phated | The split lip, sexay. |
| 01:18.40 | Phated | PerfDave: Yes, that would be my point. |
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| 01:18.44 | resiak | Mmm. Blood! |
| 01:18.56 | Phated | Blood on Pitt! |
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| 01:19.07 | cafuego | Bloody face sexy, no wonder barabric nonsense like boxing still continues today. Blame Phated! |
| 01:19.15 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 01:19.39 | Phated | cafuego: :) |
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| 01:19.48 | Phated | cafuego: Meh, blood only sexy if you know it's not real. :) |
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| 01:19.57 | PerfDave | cafuego: Boxers aren't sexy though. |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | Phated: i have cake on my butt |
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| 01:20.08 | Phated | abrotman: -So- last five minutes. :) |
| 01:20.10 | thomas_adam | abrotman: you squished apt-cake? :( |
| 01:20.17 | cafuego | abrotman: That's not a cake, that's an oily haemmorhoid. |
| 01:20.22 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:20.23 | Deuce868 | anyone remember what to add to .bashrc to not record repeats in .bash_history? |
| 01:20.24 | Phated | abrotman: Look, you made thomas_adam sad! *THWACK* |
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| 01:20.37 | abrotman | thomas_adam: between my butt cheeks :) |
| 01:20.40 | Phated | Deuce868: export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups |
| 01:20.42 | PerfDave | Deuce868: Is it not in there waiting to be commented out? |
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| 01:21.01 | Phated | PerfDave: I thought you got a taxi out. |
| 01:21.02 | phaedral | Deuce868: Phated tells me that's not a Debian specific question |
| 01:21.14 | PerfDave | Phated: I went into the pub to call the taxi :) |
| 01:21.15 | Deuce868 | PerfDave: no, just color options and some options for rm -i and such |
| 01:21.18 | Phated | PerfDave: Ah. |
| 01:21.31 | PerfDave | Phated: It was full of huge skinheads, I was scared of having my head kicked in. |
| 01:21.39 | Phated | phaedral: Oh look, now you're taking me literally. |
| 01:21.40 | FieldySnuts | bloody blizzard warning |
| 01:21.44 | asuffield | oh come on, that sort of thing doesn't happen in north london |
| 01:21.47 | Phated | PerfDave: Right. |
| 01:21.49 | thomas_adam | Deuce868: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:21.50 | meli | maestro[]: what did the line: "module-assistant a-i iwp2200" mean you just wrote to me? the rest is installed and set up! |
| 01:22.00 | PerfDave | asuffield: Prove it :) |
| 01:22.01 | asuffield | besides, london taxis are for tourists |
| 01:22.02 | acetech | just wanted to thank you guys for the help in installing java.... got it working and installed the CORRECT way |
| 01:22.09 | Phated | Haha. |
| 01:22.16 | phaedral | Phated: tere's a term for it...study any rhetoric? |
| 01:22.27 | Deuce868 | thomas_admam: on an old system I had a line in .bashrc that kept .bash_history from commands repeated |
| 01:22.28 | PerfDave | asuffield: This was a minicab, got the barman to call it for me and hightailed it back to Highbury :) |
| 01:22.29 | Phated | phaedral: Not at all. |
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| 01:22.36 | Phated | Deuce868: Of course, I just GAVE it to you. |
| 01:22.38 | thomas_adam | having lived in Stevenage for some time, I can say that London sucks. |
| 01:22.40 | bob2 | that sort of stuff only happens in the east end |
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| 01:22.49 | bob2 | I've watche it on tv, I know what it's like |
| 01:22.49 | PerfDave | acetech: The correct way to install Java is not to install Java ;) |
| 01:22.49 | FieldySnuts | Phated: don't you hate that... |
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| 01:22.59 | PerfDave | bob2: Eastenders, perchance? |
| 01:23.04 | sussudio | !britsmite PerfDave |
| 01:23.04 | Deuce868 | thanks |
| 01:23.08 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 01:23.10 | thomas_adam | Deuce868: HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth |
| 01:23.11 | bob2 | PerfDave: yeah, some sort of documentary |
| 01:23.12 | helix | british people are pale |
| 01:23.13 | resiak | PerfDave: Some of us will have to study it for two years :s |
| 01:23.16 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Oh course. |
| 01:23.20 | bob2 | helix: just like their...ale! |
| 01:23.20 | asuffield | it is more an east end sort of thing, though |
| 01:23.27 | helix | and they have bad teeth |
| 01:23.29 | thomas_adam | That's Indian, you fool. :) |
| 01:23.45 | PerfDave | bob2: Only IPA :) |
| 01:24.04 | PerfDave | The entirity of North Yorkshire will come and taunt you if you do ;) |
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| 01:24.13 | Guerin | entirety |
| 01:24.17 | thomas_adam | Deuce868: Or if you want to get fancy, use 'erasedups'. But it depends. |
| 01:24.20 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Headache? |
| 01:24.21 | sussudio | !yorkshiresmite PerfDave |
| 01:24.22 | FieldySnuts | isn't there a yorkshiresmite? |
| 01:24.25 | Guerin | thomas_adam: never. |
| 01:24.25 | PerfDave | Guerin: Sorry, Mr English Teacher :) |
| 01:24.26 | FieldySnuts | anyway |
| 01:24.35 | PerfDave | Mmm, Yorkshire, the right part of the country :) |
| 01:24.43 | maestro[] | meli: it compiles the module and installs it |
| 01:24.46 | Phated | What, with the pudding? |
| 01:24.50 | asuffield | yorkshire's dull |
| 01:24.57 | bob2 | does it have a massively overpriced public transport system? |
| 01:24.58 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I did consume More Than My Share last night, though :) |
| 01:25.05 | PerfDave | bob2: No, everything in Yorkshire is cheap :) |
| 01:25.18 | sussudio | meli: ceps, mydaus |
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| 01:25.25 | zirikili | where do I get a log for a dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.9_custom.1.0_i386.deb I've just ran? |
| 01:25.26 | Phated | Hahaha. |
| 01:25.27 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I know. I have the logs. :) |
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| 01:25.29 | asuffield | all transport in yorkshire is by horses |
| 01:25.30 | meli | maestro[]: in the /usr/src/linux/include dir is usually a asm directory linking the the correct asm code. can i link it manually with "ln -s asmi368 asm" or will i get problems because of that? |
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| 01:25.34 | bob2 | zirikili: nowhere |
| 01:25.40 | bob2 | zirikili: only aptitude logs stuff |
| 01:25.47 | Willy | Hola? |
| 01:25.48 | FieldySnuts | is there a eurosmite ? should consist of forcing french to wear deoderant and making germans cook good food |
| 01:25.58 | Guerin | thomas_adam: the afternoon actually started out as an innocent bird-watching trip |
| 01:26.04 | maestro[] | meli: I guess so, but no idea |
| 01:26.06 | Phated | Guerin: And then? |
| 01:26.12 | mainiac | I recommend that you do not directly edit /etc/X11/default-session-manager |
| 01:26.13 | thomas_adam | Guerin: You mean of the Ornothology kind? |
| 01:26.31 | PerfDave | Hey, I *like* German food :) |
| 01:26.31 | Phated | Haha. |
| 01:26.37 | zirikili | bob2 , I'm trying to compile kernel and got an error while installing the deb file |
| 01:26.39 | Phated | PerfDave: Yeah but you're a Goth. |
| 01:26.43 | PerfDave | Phated: Lies! |
| 01:26.54 | Phated | PerfDave: Oh yeah? PROVE IT! |
| 01:26.59 | Guerin | thomas_adam: but we got bailed up by an annoying obsessive/compulsive korean with badly-applied makeup, wearing bright clothes, carrying a basket of plastic flowers, who followed us around for ages insisting on being our "guide" |
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| 01:27.08 | Guerin | she was a raving moonbat |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | Guerin: after the birdwatching .. got XXX? |
| 01:27.15 | thomas_adam | Hahahaha. |
| 01:27.15 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 01:27.17 | CaT[tm] | http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11388686%%255E26462,00.html - beware of any aussie selling a bridge |
| 01:27.17 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: You own a Sisters paradoy shirt. That pretty much makes you a goth. |
| 01:27.21 | Phated | PerfDave: You have dreads... You wear black leather... Oh wait no, you're a wuss, OK, you're not Goth. |
| 01:27.22 | PerfDave | Phated: http://technomancer.homelinux.org/~grimoire/images/perfyoung.jpg - I was not wearing black as a child, hence I am not a goth :) |
| 01:27.32 | Phated | PerfDave: YOU WERE ONLY LYING TO YOURSELF! :) |
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| 01:27.36 | PerfDave | Phated: I'm not a wuss. And goths are all wusses, ergo I'm not a goth :) |
| 01:27.38 | Guerin | and she was pissing us off, so I suggested to my companions: "Fuck this, let's go for a beer" |
| 01:27.43 | thomas_adam | Less of the shouting... |
| 01:27.48 | Phated | PerfDave: You are a wuss, this you are a goth. |
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| 01:27.53 | abrotman | PerfDave is from Downtown :) |
| 01:27.55 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Like you do... :) |
| 01:27.59 | RichiH | thomas_adam: and more of the savage beating |
| 01:28.01 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, I'm not :) |
| 01:28.09 | PerfDave | Phated: What makes you say I'm awuss? |
| 01:28.11 | RichiH | .oO(PervDave?) |
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| 01:28.19 | Phated | PerfDave: Goth, thus wuss. |
| 01:28.29 | PerfDave | Phated: So you have a circular argument? I win :) |
| 01:28.37 | Phated | PerfDave: Yeah sure. |
| 01:28.44 | Guerin | thomas_adam: that met with hearty approval, so we wandered about trying to find our regular drinking establishment, proceeded to drink about four pitchers of beer, then went for raw fish |
| 01:28.45 | RichiH | Phated: whoah, i didn't know you had a master in wussology |
| 01:28.56 | PerfDave | Phated: Your argument is that I'm a goth because I'm a wuss, and I'm a wuss because I'm a goth. Ergo, you suck ;) |
| 01:28.56 | thomas_adam | Nice. :) |
| 01:29.03 | Phated | RichiH: 16 solid years of experience, my good man. |
| 01:29.04 | PerfDave | Mmm, raw fish :) |
| 01:29.09 | Guerin | and that was only the beginning of the night :) |
| 01:29.13 | Phated | PerfDave: EXACTLY! And you eat sushi. |
| 01:29.20 | phaedral | Phated: no hard feelings; be good |
| 01:29.23 | PerfDave | Phated: Guerin eats sushi, does that make him a goth? |
| 01:29.24 | RichiH | Phated: i already to you once, i am not yours. you can't afford the upkeep |
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| 01:29.34 | Phated | RichiH: Hahaha. :) |
| 01:29.39 | thomas_adam | RichiH: Or the nurses fees. |
| 01:29.40 | RichiH | Phated: you might be able to lease me, though |
| 01:29.42 | Guerin | Phated: are you calling me a goth? |
| 01:29.48 | PerfDave | Guerin: She is |
| 01:29.48 | Phated | Screw that idiot phaedral. |
| 01:29.54 | Phated | Guerin: What he said. |
| 01:29.56 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: that would have been PerfDave |
| 01:30.06 | Phated | RichiH: Hm... We'll see. |
| 01:30.11 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No that was me. |
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| 01:30.18 | Guerin | !gothsmite Phated |
| 01:30.20 | Phated | PerfDave: Course it does. |
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| 01:30.26 | FieldySnuts | lol |
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| 01:30.35 | RichiH | Evanescence is hardly goth |
| 01:30.42 | Phated | Hm, why couldn't it have been the pirate shirt and the wine? |
| 01:30.43 | Guerin | irrelevant |
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| 01:30.47 | RichiH | it's more like.. proactive sellouts or something |
| 01:31.02 | RichiH | yarr, there be wine |
| 01:31.05 | PerfDave | Bah, I CBA to work out how to s/Evanescence/Cradle of Filth/ in a cmd: (.*fucksticks*) thing |
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| 01:31.16 | Phated | Haha. |
| 01:31.26 | Phated | PerfDave: Which factoid? |
| 01:31.29 | PerfDave | Evanescence are like the Spice Girls in black. And they're bloody Godbotherers too. |
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| 01:31.32 | PerfDave | Phated: gothsmite :) |
| 01:31.36 | Phated | PerfDave: Ah. |
| 01:31.40 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: cmd: gothsmite (.*?) =~ s/Evanescence/Cradle of Filth/ |
| 01:31.40 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 01:31.51 | Phated | Damn you, dondy. |
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| 01:32.02 | Phated | And yes I -will- shorten your nick. Just this once. :) |
| 01:32.41 | dondelelcaro | seas of cheese, ahoy! |
| 01:32.44 | PerfDave | Primus++ |
| 01:32.51 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:32.54 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: mmh, cheese |
| 01:32.56 | FieldySnuts | toys go winding down right now, sound board recording of the entire show I was at |
| 01:32.59 | FieldySnuts | well done |
| 01:33.06 | FieldySnuts | ew |
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| 01:33.12 | sussudio | !safety dance |
| 01:33.12 | dpkg | We can dance if we want to We can leave your friends behind 'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance Well they're no friends of mine |
| 01:33.12 | Phated | SEE? It annoys you! |
| 01:33.12 | Guerin | just thinking of that big ol' diamondback sturgeon gives me good memories |
| 01:33.16 | FieldySnuts | hahahaha |
| 01:33.20 | RichiH | Phated: how old are you did you say? ;) |
| 01:33.28 | FieldySnuts | it's pudding time, it's pudding time |
| 01:33.32 | thomas_adam | I'm listening to "Alfie", so fuck you all. :P |
| 01:33.34 | Phated | RichiH: :) Come now, you don't really forget. :) |
| 01:33.39 | Phated | thomas_adam: Same to you. |
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| 01:35.39 | meli | maestro[]: ok i configured the kernel as the documentations says. just doing a make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 01:35.55 | RichiH | Phated: ah, how would you know? |
| 01:36.03 | Phated | RichiH: I dunno. |
| 01:36.21 | meli | maestro[]: if i want the module to be also in the image. is there a way or do i have to use the "make install" script from the package which taints the kernel tree created by the deb file |
| 01:36.33 | RichiH | Phated: see? now if your life depended on it you would not know how to react |
| 01:36.39 | asuffield | what the fuck is "Alfie"? |
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| 01:36.46 | Phated | RichiH: But my life -doesn't- depend on it. :) |
| 01:36.51 | dondelelcaro | meli: the kernel-image contains the modules that you've built. |
| 01:36.55 | maestro[] | meli: You can install a precompiled kernel image, install the include files and compile the modules against rhwm |
| 01:36.59 | maestro[] | them |
| 01:37.05 | Phated | xteddy! |
| 01:37.07 | PerfDave | asuffield: Among other things, it's a track by the Divine Comedy IIRC |
| 01:37.10 | PerfDave | oneko! |
| 01:37.15 | Phated | Sucky. |
| 01:37.19 | PerfDave | oneko > * |
| 01:37.20 | pook | maestro[]: do you think if i completely wiped out everything associated with "sound"...then reinstalled them... could that help my sound situation? |
| 01:37.24 | Phated | oneko RUINS my cursor. |
| 01:37.28 | Phated | Thus xteddy > *. |
| 01:37.32 | PerfDave | Phated: Your cursor sucks ;p |
| 01:37.33 | helix | wtf is oneko? |
| 01:37.40 | maestro[] | pook: Hm, not so sure about it |
| 01:37.40 | PerfDave | helix: apt-get install oneko |
| 01:37.44 | Phated | helix: It's not worth the effort. |
| 01:37.45 | helix | no |
| 01:37.49 | asuffield | pshaw, there was one on os/2 where the cat ran *away* from the cursor, and you had to chase it |
| 01:37.51 | helix | I'll try apt-cache show |
| 01:37.56 | Phated | It's a stupid cat chasing your cursor. |
| 01:37.59 | RichiH | Phated: ok. then let's pretend the life of 16 donutmonkeys depended on it |
| 01:38.01 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: oi. oldie stuff :) |
| 01:38.02 | helix | aw, kitties |
| 01:38.07 | Guerin | gah |
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| 01:38.12 | meli | maestro[]: but the module-src is in /usr/src/modules/.../ipw2200/driver and the kernel in /usr/src/linux, how does the script know to include the kernel? i didn't use the patch i create it external. |
| 01:38.13 | Guerin | typical response |
| 01:38.15 | Phated | RichiH: And why would -I- care about donutmonkies? |
| 01:38.17 | RichiH | !oneko |
| 01:38.18 | PerfDave | helix: You can't understand the sheer greatness of it until you install it. I was unconvinced at first, but now I am a beliver. |
| 01:38.23 | Phated | Guerin: It's terrible. |
| 01:38.28 | helix | none of that shit works with my wm anyway |
| 01:38.28 | Guerin | i know |
| 01:38.33 | Phated | 's boooring. |
| 01:38.44 | helix | I got xsnow working on a floating desktop though |
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| 01:38.50 | Phated | Sweet. |
| 01:38.53 | thomas_adam | Hehe. |
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| 01:38.58 | Tenniru | Arg. |
| 01:39.01 | RichiH | Phated: dunno. why should you not care? |
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| 01:39.09 | Tenniru | BusID of my vidcard... |
| 01:39.11 | Phated | Now you're all prepped for Christmas just as soon as you install xpenguins and run it with the -b option. |
| 01:39.19 | daveo | my laptop loads exim4 on startup but do I really need it? I'm using Kmail for my pop and smtp mail. I'm not connected to any network email |
| 01:39.21 | RichiH | helix: what wm do you use? |
| 01:39.22 | Tenniru | According to lspci it's 0000:00:10.0 |
| 01:39.24 | helix | ion3 |
| 01:39.26 | Phated | RichiH: Exactly. If I don't know why I should care or not, then why bother? |
| 01:39.41 | Tenniru | But when I give that to the config program... |
| 01:39.43 | Phated | Heh. |
| 01:39.44 | asuffield | oho, what the oneko description *doesn't* mention is oneko -sakura |
| 01:39.46 | Tenniru | It calls it invalid. |
| 01:39.48 | Tenniru | What do I do? |
| 01:39.52 | Phated | Again, icky. |
| 01:39.58 | thomas_adam | if you like cats and dogs following your mouse.... |
| 01:39.58 | Tenniru | (xf86 config) |
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| 01:40.01 | asuffield | that's rather more like it |
| 01:40.11 | RichiH | Phated: to be prepared for the day when you do care, obviously |
| 01:40.14 | Phated | I'll leave my cursor well alone, thankyouverymuch. |
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| 01:40.19 | Phated | RichiH: But I -don't- care. |
| 01:40.36 | helix | so Phated hates oneko? |
| 01:40.41 | asuffield | oh geez, there's a -tomoyo as well. that's even better |
| 01:40.47 | RichiH | helix: we are talking donutmonkeys |
| 01:40.57 | helix | that sounds obscene |
| 01:40.57 | Phated | Phated has a pronounced dislike for oneko, yes. |
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| 01:41.03 | maestro[] | meli: that's debian magic :) |
| 01:41.07 | RichiH | helix: never used ino3, myself |
| 01:41.08 | simonrvn | my cursor is generic one, jaguarx. spinning pizza of death is rainbow, and a drop shadow on the arrow cursor. simple, but nice |
| 01:41.12 | helix | bob2: heh |
| 01:41.13 | Phated | bob2: 40-feet and filled with shards? :) |
| 01:41.16 | meli | maestro[]: hehe debian magic :-) kewl |
| 01:41.19 | maestro[] | meli: there is a symlink to the sources in /lib/module/<kernel>/ |
| 01:41.20 | simonrvn | bootcd: with ultrasugar? |
| 01:41.20 | RichiH | bob2: vegemite-enabled? |
| 01:41.25 | Phated | Vegan? |
| 01:41.30 | simonrvn | bob2: with ultrasugar? |
| 01:41.32 | bob2 | Phated: the very same! |
| 01:41.34 | helix | Phated: yeah, they have a lot of iron in them |
| 01:41.41 | maestro[] | meli: And module-assistant nows about the running kernel because of uname |
| 01:41.54 | Phated | bob2: Brilliant! helix will have some, and I'll get a refund for this one I just bought, thank you. |
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| 01:41.56 | maestro[] | meli: So it can find the kernel header files |
| 01:42.13 | Phated | helix: It's possible, really. Just icky. |
| 01:42.20 | asuffield | that doesn't sound chemically plausible |
| 01:42.27 | Tenniru | Does anyone have an answer? Because if not, this leaves my last option of completely reinstalling Debian. |
| 01:42.34 | sussudio | helix: they don't have iron tablets in teh south yet? |
| 01:42.35 | Phated | Meh you're taking in iron(III) oxide, it works. |
| 01:42.39 | Tenniru | Which will take forever. |
| 01:42.45 | bob2 | Tenniru: don't give it a busid at all |
| 01:42.47 | helix | sussudio: they do, but I guess they don't always work |
| 01:42.51 | asuffield | I'm not sure how your digestive system would break that down and absorb it |
| 01:42.54 | RichiH | helix: i saw people recommend windows.. |
| 01:42.59 | helix | asuffield: yeah, that's what confused me |
| 01:43.11 | Tenniru | I'm on a PowerPC... |
| 01:43.13 | Tenniru | Okay, then. |
| 01:43.16 | simonrvn | reinstall because x doesn't work? wow, if every time that happened i'd be on my 20th, at least |
| 01:43.21 | simonrvn | Tenniru: so? |
| 01:43.22 | sussudio | helix: well, no, not if you take them the wrong way, say, with something that would absorb the iron, like bread. |
| 01:43.23 | PerfDave | Tenniru: Try asking #debian-ppc ? |
| 01:43.24 | RichiH | Tenniru: i like sitting on my computers, too :) |
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| 01:43.31 | simonrvn | PerfDave: #debianppc |
| 01:43.32 | rich_ | hi |
| 01:43.34 | Phated | I think it gets diffused through your intestines, actually. It's too small to be broken down anymore. |
| 01:43.35 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Bah |
| 01:43.37 | Tenniru | I need a GUI. |
| 01:43.41 | simonrvn | PerfDave: bah |
| 01:43.42 | helix | sussudio: or stuff with vitamin C, yeah |
| 01:43.46 | maestro[] | Tenniru: Install X |
| 01:43.46 | PerfDave | simonrvn: All the other channels are #debian-foo |
| 01:43.47 | Tenniru | I'm not very good with a command-line... |
| 01:43.47 | asuffield | ...okay, next time I see somebody with an unsecured X session, I'm launching oneko -tomoyo on it. it's cute when it's happening to somebody else |
| 01:43.50 | helix | spinach + orange juice = SUCCESS! |
| 01:43.55 | Tenniru | Oh yeah... I could do that. |
| 01:43.58 | Phated | asuffield: Just not to you, aye? :) |
| 01:43.58 | thomas_adam | Phated: Not quite, Iron(III) is broken down. |
| 01:44.01 | Tenniru | But I'll still have to configure. |
| 01:44.05 | Phated | thomas_adam: Thanks. :) |
| 01:44.06 | simonrvn | PerfDave: doesn't matter, there's a redirect ;) |
| 01:44.14 | Phated | Argh. |
| 01:44.16 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Excellent ;) |
| 01:44.19 | maestro[] | Tenniru: Ok, so you have problems configuring X? |
| 01:44.22 | Tenniru | During the install, it didn't seem to want an ID and it got X up fine aside from the resolution thing. |
| 01:44.25 | Tenniru | Yes. |
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| 01:44.38 | maestro[] | Tenniru: Ah, you are looking for the BusID? |
| 01:44.41 | Phated | Well then why are you giving it an ID now? |
| 01:44.42 | simonrvn | Tenniru: like bob2 said, forget the busid |
| 01:44.48 | maestro[] | yep |
| 01:44.55 | helix | what in the fuck is -sakura |
| 01:44.58 | Tenniru | It asked me for one. |
| 01:44.59 | helix | a girl dressed as a cat? |
| 01:45.03 | Tenniru | Okay. New config created. |
| 01:45.08 | Tenniru | And... POW. No screens found. |
| 01:45.10 | maestro[] | Tenniru: Hit enter |
| 01:45.13 | maestro[] | Tenniru: Ah ok |
| 01:45.14 | Phated | helix: Cardcaptor. |
| 01:45.15 | simonrvn | Tenniru: you only need it if you have more than one video device |
| 01:45.18 | Phated | Don't ask me how I know. |
| 01:45.19 | Tenniru | Ah |
| 01:45.21 | maestro[] | Tenniru: Can you provide some more information? |
| 01:45.28 | cafuego | Tenniru: It assked for a busid AND it says don't enter one unless you know you need to. |
| 01:45.29 | helix | cardcaptor? that doesn't mean anything to me |
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| 01:45.35 | PerfDave | Phated: You watch too much Cartoon Network? |
| 01:45.35 | Phated | helix: Stupid anime shit. |
| 01:45.43 | helix | go figure |
| 01:45.44 | maestro[] | Tenniru: for example the message just before 'no screens found' |
| 01:45.45 | cafuego | How hard is it to READ what a dialog says, really? |
| 01:45.46 | Phated | PerfDave: Eew, CN has CCS now? |
| 01:45.49 | Tenniru | Oh, startx also seems to be unable to locate/open the new config file. |
| 01:45.51 | PerfDave | helix: Shit anime series much beloved by the kind of people who think that Dragonball Z is great. |
| 01:45.55 | Phated | helix: Yeah it's shite. |
| 01:45.55 | PerfDave | Phated: In the UK, apparently. |
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| 01:46.00 | Phated | PerfDave: Oh ew. |
| 01:46.01 | simonrvn | yet another config FUBARed because of lack of RTFM. what else is new? |
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| 01:46.10 | bob2 | Tenniru: run it again and disable use of the framebuffer |
| 01:46.17 | x0563511 | Cany anyone help me with something? KDE won't play any sounds (but testing it works... it plays then) and everything else does fine |
| 01:46.22 | PerfDave | Phated: Not that I have Cartoon Network, mostly because I refuse to pay for TV :) |
| 01:46.23 | Phated | simonrvn: That many many people have been trying to help the doofus... oh wait that's not new either. |
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| 01:46.34 | simonrvn | Phated: :) |
| 01:46.35 | Phated | PerfDave: Of course, you subsist on a roommate and DVDs. |
| 01:46.37 | Phated | simonrvn: :) |
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| 01:46.41 | PerfDave | x0563511: How are you testing it? |
| 01:46.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Consider yourself lucky. |
| 01:46.45 | PerfDave | Phated: I have no roommate |
| 01:46.48 | Tenniru | "Users of PowerPC Machines AND users of multiple devices..." |
| 01:46.49 | helix | my ex thought dbz was great |
| 01:46.54 | Tenniru | but OK |
| 01:46.55 | PerfDave | Phated: I watch a lot of BBC3, it's awesome |
| 01:46.56 | simonrvn | Tenniru: ignore that |
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| 01:47.06 | Phated | PerfDave: Meh, OK. |
| 01:47.08 | x0563511 | PerfDave, under the "sound system" applet, clicking TEST playes music |
| 01:47.08 | asuffield_ | the hell was that? |
| 01:47.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I do. I really really do. |
| 01:47.16 | thomas_adam | PerfDave: You need your eyes tested. |
| 01:47.17 | helix | asuffield_: maybe you were onekoized |
| 01:47.18 | asuffield | he's a loser |
| 01:47.20 | asuffield | dbx is *dire* |
| 01:47.24 | simonrvn | Tenniru: only time i've inserted a busid is when this syste was in my 8500 |
| 01:47.25 | x0563511 | PerfDave, and Cedega, UT2004 demo, XMMS, ect have no trouble playing either |
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| 01:47.36 | PerfDave | x0563511: So what *doesn't* play sounds? |
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| 01:47.43 | sussudio | actually, with the soviet-made set-top box, BBC3 watches you. |
| 01:47.50 | x0563511 | PerfDave, KDE. specifically, system notifications |
| 01:47.59 | x0563511 | They worked untill i installed alsa and disabled OSS |
| 01:48.00 | gothtec | event sounds |
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| 01:48.21 | PerfDave | x0563511: And you've told KDE to use ALSA as a backend? |
| 01:48.22 | Tenniru | Also, I know that my VRAM is 8 MB. And that's 8192 in KB, right... |
| 01:48.23 | asuffield | <sigh> something is broken |
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| 01:48.27 | Tenniru | So, going on. |
| 01:48.28 | helix | asuffield: I did say he was an ex :) |
| 01:48.35 | Phated | helix: Way to go! :) |
| 01:48.43 | danamania | Tenniru: which PPC is it on? |
| 01:48.46 | x0563511 | under the hardware section of the "Conifgure - Sound System" its set to use Alsa |
| 01:48.47 | asuffield | helix: just as well. if you were dating somebody who liked dbz then I'd have to kill you |
| 01:48.55 | helix | but he's part of the reason I find anime so loathsome in general |
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| 01:49.06 | helix | asuffield: well, I'm sure you can find other excuses |
| 01:49.09 | asuffield | *dbz* is loathsome. it is not representative |
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| 01:49.25 | Phated | helix: Well that kind of sucks. Some anime is acceptable, but don't ask PerfDave what kind. |
| 01:49.26 | asuffield | and the dub is even worse |
| 01:49.28 | helix | asuffield: he liked other stuff. he's the one that introduced me to lain (saying I reminded him of her) |
| 01:49.28 | Tenniru | iBook Dual USB. |
| 01:49.30 | Tenniru | NewWorkd. |
| 01:49.36 | asuffield | that was cruel |
| 01:49.36 | PerfDave | x0563511: Can you play sounds in "System Notifications" -> "Actions"? |
| 01:49.45 | simonrvn | newworld :) |
| 01:49.48 | rich_ | I like cartoons. I just ordered pizza and it comes with a dvd so I chose casper |
| 01:49.49 | PerfDave | Phated: Why not? Just because I wasn't hugely keen on Spirited Away... |
| 01:49.57 | x0563511 | PerfDave, nothing happens. no errors, PC speaker beeps, nothing |
| 01:50.10 | helix | asuffield: I spent too much time online for him :) |
| 01:50.13 | Phated | PerfDave: Eeeeeeeew. |
| 01:50.20 | asuffield | spirited away is kinda fringe |
| 01:50.21 | Phated | Good god I just did that out loud. |
| 01:50.29 | x0563511 | PerfDave, is there a log specifically for this that i can review? |
| 01:50.30 | Phated | PerfDave: You're to blame, you know. :) |
| 01:50.35 | PerfDave | x0563511: NAFAIK |
| 01:50.43 | x0563511 | ? |
| 01:50.45 | PerfDave | Phated: To blame for what? |
| 01:50.50 | PerfDave | !nafaik |
| 01:50.58 | asuffield | people talk about miyazaki a lot... but it's not really mainstream anime |
| 01:50.59 | maestro[] | well... |
| 01:51.05 | PerfDave | dpkg, nafaik is Not As Far As I Know |
| 01:51.05 | dpkg | okay, PerfDave |
| 01:51.09 | x0563511 | ah |
| 01:51.12 | Phated | PerfDave: Making me go eeeeew out loud. |
| 01:51.17 | thomas_adam | Spirited Away was great. |
| 01:51.19 | asuffield | sort of like anime and disney's bastard child |
| 01:51.22 | PerfDave | Phated: Why? |
| 01:51.25 | Phated | What asuffield said. |
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| 01:51.33 | Phated | PerfDave: You brought up that urk show. |
| 01:51.35 | phaedral | just couldn't stay away |
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| 01:52.03 | Phated | phaedral: Yeah, by the way, don't ask me to be good. |
| 01:52.06 | x0563511 | hmm. Well nothing else is failing to work, i just wonder if its a sign of something borked |
| 01:52.09 | phaedral | had to manually update my apt/sources.list to make apt-get update work :\ |
| 01:52.12 | asuffield | (and given the amount of really cool anime available, it's rather odd that miyazaki gets so much attention) |
| 01:52.14 | PerfDave | Phated: I didn't. helix asked what sakura was |
| 01:52.20 | Phated | PerfDave: Eeeeeeeeeew. |
| 01:52.24 | helix | it's like tempura |
| 01:52.26 | thomas_adam | phaedral: Why? apt-setup too taxing for you? |
| 01:52.28 | phaedral | Phated: you're good; you're great. we don't have to agree for you to rock |
| 01:52.30 | PerfDave | helix: sake and tempura! |
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| 01:52.41 | helix | yeah, there you go |
| 01:52.42 | Phated | Sakura like Tempura? HAH |
| 01:52.43 | segfault- | hello |
| 01:52.54 | PerfDave | Sakura is like Tempura in that she should be battered :) |
| 01:52.58 | helix | I knew this girl that naked her daughter sakura once |
| 01:53.01 | Phated | PerfDave: I'm making some tonight along with fried rice. Want? :) |
| 01:53.05 | PerfDave | Phated: I love you |
| 01:53.06 | segfault- | i have an ask about a package replacement |
| 01:53.06 | helix | I always thought that was an exceptionally crappy name |
| 01:53.07 | Phated | helix: Oh dear god the poor kid. |
| 01:53.09 | phaedral | thomas_adam: sometimes i wish i chatted enought to get some mileage out of /ignore |
| 01:53.09 | Phated | PerfDave: GAH. |
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| 01:53.19 | asuffield | sakura is a relatively common name in japan |
| 01:53.25 | Phated | Not in .us. |
| 01:53.26 | Area-51 | whenever i try to configure my wifi card it says operation not permitted... im using kismet modified orinoco drivers -- any ideas? (debian testing, custom kernel 2.6.8) |
| 01:53.31 | mainiac | abrotman: well, i finally got KDE back by selecting xdm, neither xdm nor gdm will allow me to select fluxbox. any idea how I can look at the window manager? |
| 01:53.32 | maestro[] | segfault-: just ask |
| 01:53.35 | Phated | Anyways it means what, peach blossom? |
| 01:53.38 | asuffield | cherry |
| 01:53.40 | ApTek | Cherry blossom |
| 01:53.42 | Phated | Ah yes my bad. |
| 01:53.52 | segfault- | i changed from woody to sarge but not on the same machine so i'd like to know wich package replace the tomcat old one . :) |
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| 01:54.13 | asuffield | and japanese name "meanings" are more like puns anyway |
| 01:54.13 | thomas_adam | maestro[]: update-alternatives --config x-window-system |
| 01:54.14 | helix | my aunt used to work in the obstetrics dept. of a hospital and I think one of the ladies wanted to name her newborn 'vulva' |
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| 01:54.22 | smacnay | Hello, I am trying to get ddclient to play with a new d-link 524 router. Seems that the status page on the router has 3 instances of the phrase 'IP Address' (the second being the one I need). So a typical setup has ddclient grabbing the first instance (the LAN IP address) instead of the second (WAN IP address). |
| 01:54.24 | Phated | Wha...? |
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| 01:54.25 | thomas_adam | mainiac: update-alternatives --config x-window-system |
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| 01:54.31 | maestro[] | ah |
| 01:54.39 | helix | Phated: I guess she was uneducated and didn't know what it meant |
| 01:54.40 | Phated | helix: I hope she advised the lady otherwise. |
| 01:54.50 | helix | I'll have to ask |
| 01:54.52 | maestro[] | segfault-: mybe tomcat4 |
| 01:54.53 | smacnay | Sorry, 2 instances of 'IP address' but the same problem. |
| 01:54.53 | Phated | helix: Ah. What I said above stands. |
| 01:55.03 | helix | it might not have been vulva, but it was something equally laughable |
| 01:55.08 | mainiac | thomas_adam: is update-alternatives an apt function? |
| 01:55.16 | segfault- | maestro[], hold on .. |
| 01:55.18 | thomas_adam | mainiac: No. |
| 01:55.31 | asuffield | helix: your parents had too many 'n's, anyway |
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| 01:55.49 | Phated | helix: Either way. |
| 01:55.49 | Area-51 | whenever i try to configure my wifi card it says operation not permitted... im using kismet modified orinoco drivers -- any ideas? (debian testing, custom kernel 2.6.8) |
| 01:55.49 | TekEmperor | What does sarge mean, and how do I know if I'm running unstable? |
| 01:55.54 | segfault- | webchieur:~# apt-cache search tomcat|grep tomcat |
| 01:55.54 | segfault- | webchieur:~# |
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| 01:56.06 | maestro[] | segfault-: It's in the contrib section |
| 01:56.10 | helix | asuffield: that's so true :( |
| 01:56.10 | maestro[] | segfault-: as it depends on java |
| 01:56.17 | segfault- | humm |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | !tell mainiac about xsession |
| 01:56.25 | simonrvn | segfault-: try apt-cache search --names-only foo |
| 01:56.29 | helix | they did it so I would be "different", but all it means is that no one can spell my name |
| 01:56.43 | segfault- | searching how to reconfigure apt |
| 01:56.45 | maestro[] | segfault-: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add contrib after main |
| 01:56.49 | asuffield | not very different, google has 97k hits |
| 01:56.51 | Phated | helix: Meh, no one can pronounce mine, either way. |
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| 01:56.57 | helix | asuffield: how many for 'erin'? |
| 01:57.03 | maestro[] | segfault-: then, do apt-get update and install tomcat4 |
| 01:57.05 | asuffield | helix: about nine million |
| 01:57.07 | segfault- | maestro[], a bit 'gruiiiikkkk' method |
| 01:57.10 | x0563511 | PerfDave, should i set it to use an 'external player'? if so, what? |
| 01:57.13 | helix | Phated: how is it pronounced? looks straightforward to me |
| 01:57.18 | helix | asuffield: well. :) |
| 01:57.26 | asuffield | admittedly, "andrew suffield" gets 40k hits |
| 01:57.30 | mainiac | thomas_adam: it says, i have no alternatives for x-window-system |
| 01:57.37 | PerfDave | x0563511: I doubt it. I'd go ask #debian-kde |
| 01:57.40 | simonrvn | @lart zbowling for being a root IRC LUSER |
| 01:57.41 | asuffield | so if it scales that's only two people |
| 01:57.42 | TekEmperor | Oh cool, whatever I did is installing now. |
| 01:57.44 | segfault- | ok found it :) |
| 01:57.48 | x0563511 | PerfDave, ok |
| 01:57.49 | Phated | helix: This is a country where our very twisted form of english means the Y gets pronounced like in you. So. And the chinese bit is worse. :) |
| 01:57.50 | jbr | mainiac: should be x-window-manager? x-session-manager? |
| 01:57.52 | Tenniru | Now it's just not making a cfonfig file. |
| 01:57.54 | Area-51 | whenever i try to configure my wifi card it says operation not permitted... im using kismet modified orinoco drivers -- any ideas? (debian testing, custom kernel 2.6.8) |
| 01:57.56 | Tenniru | *config |
| 01:58.03 | segfault- | had to add the non-free in apt-setup |
| 01:58.06 | segfault- | cya all |
| 01:58.10 | mainiac | ok I'll try both |
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| 01:58.14 | Phated | helix: Rather, the y gets treated like a consonant instead of a vowel. :) |
| 01:58.15 | helix | Phated: hm, interested |
| 01:58.18 | thomas_adam | mantor: x-window-manager, then, |
| 01:58.18 | asuffield | Phated: what's hard to pronounce about it? |
| 01:58.24 | helix | er, interesting |
| 01:58.28 | thomas_adam | Bed time. |
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| 01:58.32 | Tenniru | Wait..no, that's startx not seeing the config file. |
| 01:58.33 | Phated | helix: Actually, mainly annoying. :) |
| 01:58.35 | Tenniru | What do I do? |
| 01:58.37 | PerfDave | Phated: So it's kind of more like joanna than diana? |
| 01:58.42 | Phated | asuffield: What's hard to pronouce about what? |
| 01:58.54 | Phated | PerfDave: It gets said dee-ya-na here. Icky. |
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| 01:59.15 | Justin | helix: maybe mulva? :-) |
| 01:59.34 | asuffield | I mean, sure, westerners by and large fuck up eastern pronunciation, and vice versa. but ignoring that it seems straightforward enough |
| 01:59.36 | helix | Phated: so I'm confused. is it pronounced like it is in the US or not? |
| 01:59.45 | Phated | helix: It's not. |
| 01:59.55 | helix | ok then. I think I understand :) |
| 01:59.55 | sussudio | it's pronounced "throatwobbler mangrove". |
| 02:00.06 | Phated | asuffield: You haven't seen the rest of the name yet if you're basing this on a whois. :) |
| 02:00.08 | PerfDave | sussudio++ |
| 02:00.23 | asuffield | helix: *everything* is pronounced differently. it involves emphasis and rhythm |
| 02:00.29 | asuffield | Phated: hit me |
| 02:00.34 | Phated | asuffield: Qiu'E. |
| 02:00.36 | mainiac | hmm, x-window-manager lists tvm, sawfish and fluxbox, but I thot KDE ran on Qt for a window manager |
| 02:00.39 | Phated | Pretty, isn't it? :) |
| 02:00.51 | helix | asuffield: right, I just wasn't clear if her parents wanted it pronounced like it is in english (and that's why people had problems) or what |
| 02:00.53 | thomas_adam | mainiac: apt-get install kde, then. |
| 02:00.53 | scarynetworkguy | Klingon!!! |
| 02:01.00 | sussudio | Phated: sounds like WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 02:01.21 | Phated | helix: Mainly it just annoys me because I grew up with my parents pronouncing it like it is in English. |
| 02:01.27 | mainiac | thomas_adam: I did, last week before I went on vacation |
| 02:01.27 | thomas_adam | mainiac: KDE makes a mess of using the QT libraries, yes. |
| 02:01.28 | Phated | sussudio: Yeah see? |
| 02:01.33 | asuffield | Phated: pinyin transliteration? |
| 02:01.50 | Phated | asuffield: That is it. :/ |
| 02:01.50 | meli | sussudio: where does this weeeee come from? is it a film? i have a friend who says this all day long, too :-) |
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| 02:02.21 | asuffield | Phated: easy enough then... admittedly you have to know how to read it |
| 02:02.23 | sussudio | meli: squirrels |
| 02:02.26 | Area-51 | whenever i try to configure my wifi card it says operation not permitted... im using kismet modified orinoco drivers -- any ideas? (debian testing, custom kernel 2.6.8) |
| 02:02.33 | Phated | Oh bah what is it with people and chinese? IT's not as much fun as it looks! |
| 02:03.04 | Justin | Area-51: "configure" ? |
| 02:03.04 | Phated | asuffield: Yeah. The Chinese here get it wrong. :/ |
| 02:03.04 | Phated | I swear. :/ How would you pronounce it then. |
| 02:03.04 | Area-51 | Justin: i dont understand.. |
| 02:03.10 | sussudio | hm sounds like a catchphrase for the China Tourist Board. "China, it's not as fun as it looks!" |
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| 02:03.27 | Phated | sussudio: Personal experience indicates truth in that statement. |
| 02:03.27 | asuffield | Phated: umm... aside from "Qiu'E", I don't know another way to write it :P |
| 02:03.33 | sussudio | in china, fun looks at you. |
| 02:03.36 | Phated | asuffield: Haha. |
| 02:03.36 | simonrvn | Phated: heh |
| 02:03.38 | asuffield | the sounds-like game doesn't *work* with english words. it doesn't have the right sounds |
| 02:03.42 | Phated | simonrvn: Meh. |
| 02:03.48 | simonrvn | aaw |
| 02:03.48 | asuffield | and I don't know chinese. just pinyin |
| 02:03.52 | Phated | asuffield: It doesn't at all. |
| 02:04.02 | asuffield | and japanese is wrong too, so that's no help |
| 02:04.06 | Tenniru | startx can't find my XF86 config file. |
| 02:04.06 | rich_ | someday I'll learn to read and get real smart :) |
| 02:04.14 | sussudio | Phated: that, and the chinese dwarf hamsters are mean little buggers compared to the russian ones. |
| 02:04.19 | thomas_adam | Tenniru: Install xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:04.20 | simonrvn | i gotta get me a way to make this stuff |
| 02:04.21 | theeggplant | I have a non-debian question that technical minded people such as yourselves might be able to answer: How do multi-line phones that have one jack for an input work? The ones that have multiple lines. Do those numbers get programmed into the phone, or is there a difference in ringing that allows the phone to "know" which line corrosponds with which button, like ringdown on those old bbs's and stuff? |
| 02:04.32 | Phated | simonrvn: Oh true. |
| 02:04.39 | helix | asuffield: hey, maybe you can recommend some japanese books to me :) |
| 02:04.51 | thomas_adam | theeggplant: Ask in #hardware |
| 02:04.55 | simonrvn | Phated: the music i'm listening to. or find the guy that made this |
| 02:05.02 | asuffield | helix: uhh... ? |
| 02:05.03 | Phated | simonrvn: Wha-? |
| 02:05.11 | simonrvn | nm :) |
| 02:05.16 | Phated | :/ |
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| 02:05.18 | helix | asuffield: children's books, etc. stuff with simplistic grammar/vocab |
| 02:05.23 | helix | (not for me, for other people) |
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| 02:05.28 | helix | if you read them anyway |
| 02:05.30 | simonrvn | trace, basically |
| 02:05.36 | asuffield | helix: not really |
| 02:05.37 | simonrvn | trance even |
| 02:05.40 | helix | ok |
| 02:05.49 | Phated | Trance, nice. |
| 02:06.00 | rich_ | theeggplant It only takes two wires. Thats the big secret of the phone company, its all two wires, so when you get a plug with like six wires, it can support more than one line because each line only requires two wires |
| 02:06.21 | Phated | helix: You can have my chinese textbooks. :) |
| 02:06.23 | simonrvn | helix: racking another language up, eh? :) |
| 02:06.24 | sussudio | ... or did it read _you_? |
| 02:06.25 | asuffield | helix: japanese writing is tricky anyway. better to use stuff structured for teaching |
| 02:06.31 | phaedral | anyone got a favorite US apt site? berkeley is dog-slow tonight... |
| 02:06.37 | asuffield | (personally, I just go with anime/manga) |
| 02:06.42 | Phated | helix: And I have a few storybooks. :) |
| 02:06.46 | helix | simonrvn: nah. just collecting lists of books for people learning other languages (since it's hard to find that stuff when you're learning) |
| 02:06.48 | Phated | phaedral: ftp.debian.us, I think. |
| 02:06.57 | Guerin | erm |
| 02:06.57 | simonrvn | helix: *nods* |
| 02:07.00 | Guerin | !think |
| 02:07.00 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
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| 02:07.05 | sussudio | !know |
| 02:07.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, know is Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 02:07.06 | Phated | Bah. |
| 02:07.08 | thomas_adam | phaedral: install apt-spy |
| 02:07.08 | Guerin | ftp.us.d.o |
| 02:07.13 | helix | Phated: see: double-helix.org/lang/books - if you could email me in a similar format with some of that information I'd actually really appreciate it.. :) |
| 02:07.16 | RainbowW | will procmail stick a header in an email that it touches, as a record of its passing through? |
| 02:07.17 | simonrvn | Guerin: that's more profound that some would think |
| 02:07.22 | simonrvn | than* |
| 02:07.23 | phaedral | thomas_adam: thx; will do |
| 02:07.27 | Phated | helix: Sure thing, will see. :) |
| 02:07.29 | helix | asuffield: anyway, this is for people that already know a bit about the language; it's not a substitute for textbooks |
| 02:07.30 | asuffield | RainbowW: not unless you do it |
| 02:07.41 | thomas_adam | phaedral: My mileage is such that I _do_ make use of /ignore :P |
| 02:07.44 | Guerin | simonrvn: I get sick of people saying "I think it's an AC97 sound card ..." |
| 02:07.49 | asuffield | helix: westerners aren't taught japanese writing in the same way that japanese children are taught |
| 02:08.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: but it does have philosophical underpinnings. |
| 02:08.02 | theeggplant | rich_: My issue is not the wires so much, but I'm interested to know how the phone knows which line is which. This phone is on the campus of a university, so it's set up on a PBX. I want to figure out how the phone knows which line is ringing when it's ringing. Does someone program the buttons to know which line is which, or does it do a special ring to let the phone know which line is ringing? |
| 02:08.06 | Area-51 | whenever i try to configure my wifi card for my network, it says operation not permitted... im using kismet modified orinoco drivers -- any ideas? (debian testing, custom kernel 2.6.8) |
| 02:08.11 | simonrvn | Guerin: i hear ya |
| 02:08.12 | phaedral | thomas_adam: touche |
| 02:08.14 | asuffield | helix: and it's not really a sensible way to learn anyway. that way takes twenty years |
| 02:08.30 | meli | sussudio: from theses squirrels? http://www.lifeisajoke.com/Animal/bad_squirrels.jpg |
| 02:08.30 | bob2 | Area-51: you need to be root |
| 02:08.32 | helix | asuffield: what isn't? reading books, or..? |
| 02:08.39 | Area-51 | i am root, heh |
| 02:08.42 | asuffield | helix: the way natives are taught |
| 02:08.47 | helix | asuffield: oh, yeah |
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| 02:09.07 | asuffield | it's structured around the demands of their education, and as such is rather inefficient |
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| 02:09.35 | Area-51 | bob2: i was root, any other ideas? |
| 02:09.37 | asuffield | you can do it in about three years, if you don't mind not being able to do much with it for the first couple |
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| 02:09.42 | helix | I'm not sure how I'd approach learning something like japanese. I don't really have an interest in it, but if I did, it would be rather daunting.. |
| 02:09.47 | helix | asuffield: heh |
| 02:09.53 | rich_ | theeggplant well theres all kinds of fancy phone systems available, but typically, each line has its own two wires and when they want it to ring, instead of haveingaudio on those two wires, it goes up to 9 volts. That makes the phone ring |
| 02:09.54 | helix | yeah, romance languages are nothing like that ;) |
| 02:10.01 | Guerin | otoh, the korean script can be learnt in a couple hours |
| 02:10.06 | asuffield | helix: spoken is easy. written is hard. memorise about two thousand kanji first. |
| 02:10.23 | staniel | can grub boot an OS that resides on a SCSI drive if the grub MBR is on an IDE drive? |
| 02:10.28 | helix | asuffield: I can believe that |
| 02:10.45 | helix | of course, I guess spoken is only easy in comparison to written |
| 02:10.59 | asuffield | nah, it's pretty easy as languages go |
| 02:11.03 | RainbowW | will having procmail deliver to /dev/null cause a bounce message loop? |
| 02:11.08 | asuffield | (I learn most spoken vocabulary by watching anime) |
| 02:11.13 | x0563511 | !bbl |
| 02:11.13 | dpkg | [bbl] be back later |
| 02:11.23 | x0563511 | Noone can help me |
| 02:11.27 | Area-51 | whenever i try to configure my wifi card for my network, it says operation not permitted... im using kismet modified orinoco drivers -- any ideas? (debian testing, custom kernel 2.6.8) (yes im doing it as root...) |
| 02:11.40 | helix | asuffield: no funny stuff with pronunciation? I can't recall hearing any sounds that would be difficult to make, but I've not heard much |
| 02:11.40 | thomas_adam | Area-51: Stop repeating. |
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| 02:11.57 | asuffield | helix: japanese pronunciation is *strictly* regular. no funny stuff like in english |
| 02:12.03 | helix | ah, cool |
| 02:12.04 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:12.10 | Area-51 | thomas_adam: im not repeating in a high frequency and im waiting to find someone who can help |
| 02:12.33 | asuffield | helix: of course, if you want to pull off an osaka accent, that's trickier >:) |
| 02:12.35 | helix | asuffield: well, even with languages that appear to be very regular I still sometimes have difficulty just pronouncing some sounds in order |
| 02:12.37 | Justin | Area-51: no one is going to help you until you bother to tell anyone what you are doing |
| 02:12.39 | Phated | Ten minutes isn't likely to make much difference. |
| 02:12.57 | helix | portuguese is yummy but I don't know if my mouth is really equipped for such tricks sometimes |
| 02:13.00 | Area-51 | Justin: i just said that im trying to configure my card for my wireles network, what else is there to tell? |
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| 02:13.13 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 02:13.25 | helix | spanish, otoh, is easy |
| 02:13.25 | asuffield | helix: no funny phonemes in japanese. it's a simple matrix between a dozen consonants and five vowels |
| 02:13.28 | Phated | Ah a person who wants help but doesn't give any info... We're not psychic. |
| 02:13.36 | zirikili | helix , do ypu speak portuguese? |
| 02:13.41 | helix | zirikili: learning |
| 02:13.42 | Area-51 | i use kwifimanager and iwconfig... kwifimanager doesnt do anything and iwconfig says operation not permitted... same thin then i do 'iwlist scanning' |
| 02:14.01 | helix | I try reading aloud from books I have and it's so easy to get tripped up |
| 02:14.13 | asuffield | a/i/u/e/o against /k/s/t/n/h/m/y/r/w, plus 'n', voiced/plosive, and the composites |
| 02:14.29 | helix | asuffield: ah, I see why spoken is easier then |
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| 02:14.49 | asuffield | a couple of them aren't obvious from that, but they aren't difficult ('tsu' instead of 'tu', 'chi' instead of 'ti', etc) |
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| 02:14.54 | helix | portuguese has a lot of accented characters and irregular pronunciations depending on the location of some letters |
| 02:14.59 | helix | nevermind regional accents |
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| 02:15.54 | helix | it would probably help to actually read one of those books intended to teach you instead of just trying to use logic to figure it out |
| 02:16.02 | sussudio | !texugo helix |
| 02:16.02 | dpkg | helix: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 02:16.06 | helix | heh |
| 02:16.07 | asuffield | 'r' takes a little practice, but it's easy for an english speaker (other way around is much harder; japanese people have no end of difficulty pronouncing 'r' and 'l') |
| 02:16.31 | Guerin | it's hard for koreans, too |
| 02:16.32 | helix | asuffield: ah, yeah. I had to practice that one when learning to say 'aishiteru' or whatever |
| 02:16.37 | liam | I've installed my own kernel from kernel.org, how do I remove the stock debian stuff, kernel/headers etc |
| 02:16.38 | helix | I thought it was cute |
| 02:16.55 | thomas_adam | liam: YOu don't. It's useful for recovery purposes/ |
| 02:17.04 | Guerin | r and l are the same character in korean; one is typically used that the beginninf of a syllable, the other at the end |
| 02:17.25 | liam | thomas_adam, no recovery required, plus I have a cd for that ;) |
| 02:17.33 | Poncha | guys... why may wget -m hang on https urls ? |
| 02:17.36 | thomas_adam | liam: IYHTAYS, then. |
| 02:17.37 | Guerin | i teach my kids round and round the rugged rocks the ragged rascal ran to combat it |
| 02:17.50 | helix | asuffield: I've actually encountered some oddly resistant attitudes when trying to explain that two letters sound the same (and how to combine them) in other languages |
| 02:17.55 | thomas_adam | liam: Really, keeping them won't hurt. |
| 02:17.56 | helix | e.g., b/v in spanish |
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| 02:17.57 | Poncha | correction... it only hangs when the file already exists |
| 02:18.00 | asuffield | helix: and, uhh... why were you practicing saying "aishiteru"? |
| 02:18.02 | helix | "but they're TWO LETTERS" |
| 02:18.05 | TekEmperor | I can't figure out how to install my tuner card. |
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| 02:18.20 | helix | asuffield: $ex_anime_bf |
| 02:18.27 | thomas_adam | TekEmperor: You have to plug it into the PCI slot. |
| 02:18.28 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:18.28 | Poncha | can't https:// files be mirrored ? |
| 02:18.33 | helix | I learned how to write it etc. for his birthday |
| 02:18.35 | asuffield | helix: sorry, all possibilities I can think of there are quite disturbing |
| 02:18.38 | liam | thomas_adam, sure, but that wasn't my question. should I keep them, yes. How do I remove them?? |
| 02:18.43 | TekEmperor | thomas_adam, after that. |
| 02:18.44 | Guerin | Poncha: of course they can be. |
| 02:18.51 | helix | asuffield: heh |
| 02:18.53 | Phated | helix: I'd say had bad taste in men, but nevermind. :) |
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| 02:18.57 | thomas_adam | liam: uname -r |
| 02:19.02 | Poncha | Guerin, wget -m https://images.godaddy.com/assets/home/gd_logo_make.jpg try this... second time you run it wget hangs |
| 02:19.04 | sussudio | Phated: tried ketchup? |
| 02:19.08 | asuffield | and, uh, people who try and use odd japanese words in english are losers |
| 02:19.10 | Phated | sussudio: Icky. |
| 02:19.11 | phaedral | anyone know the all-in-one rip-wave-burn-cd for jack? |
| 02:19.14 | helix | Phated: that's not to be disputed |
| 02:19.21 | Phated | helix: Ah. Well. :) |
| 02:19.23 | liam | thomas_adam, 2.6.9 |
| 02:19.24 | helix | asuffield: that's an odd word? |
| 02:19.29 | Area-51 | im trying to configure my wifi card for my network and i try iwconfig and it says operation not permitted and kwifimanager doesnt do anything at all... "iwlist scanning" says the same thing... im using patched drivers from kismet -- any ideas what im doing wrong? (yes, im doing this as root) (debian sarge, custom kernel 2.6.8) |
| 02:19.47 | thomas_adam | liam: something like: apt-get --purge remove kernel-image-2.6.9, then. |
| 02:19.47 | asuffield | helix: as in, "not part of a (paragraph)" |
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| 02:20.08 | Poncha | Guerin, it hangs after retrieving filesize |
| 02:20.08 | helix | asuffield: ah. well, I learned how to say the phrase, I only wrote the character for 'ai' |
| 02:20.09 | Phated | Odd as in every so often for no reason? |
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| 02:20.15 | Guerin | Poncha: Downloaded: 4,298 bytes in 1 files |
| 02:20.20 | Guerin | Poncha: WORKSFORME |
| 02:20.22 | asuffield | Phated: and mixed in with english, yes |
| 02:20.25 | asuffield | it's almost impossible to pronounce right when you do that |
| 02:20.29 | liam | thomas_adam, oh, sorry, thats my current one. The other one I need to remove is 2.6.8 I think, but I guess the same applies. |
| 02:20.34 | Poncha | Guerin, first run , yes... try running it again... |
| 02:20.43 | Poncha | Guerin, (when the file is already on local) |
| 02:20.47 | helix | asuffield: oh, just randomly using the words in an english sentence? |
| 02:20.47 | liam | thomas_adam, Just apt said it wanted to remove a load of libs and stuff when I tried it?! :-s |
| 02:20.52 | Antisoche | Has something known happened to procmail or fetchmail over the past couple weeks? Maybe a week ago my procmail scripts (some of them) stopped working. |
| 02:20.59 | helix | or phrases, I guess |
| 02:21.03 | Phated | asuffield: Understood. |
| 02:21.03 | Guerin | Poncha: ah, I see. |
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| 02:21.13 | Guerin | Poncha: I'd use lftp for this task, anyhow. |
| 02:21.37 | asuffield | 'ai' is a tricky bugger. I don't know how to draw that offhand |
| 02:21.57 | Phated | ASCII-art japanese? |
| 02:22.04 | Poncha | Guerin, lftp... ok, will try, thanks |
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| 02:22.08 | asuffield | http://kanjidict.stc.cx/3026 |
| 02:22.12 | asuffield | but I would have to look it up |
| 02:22.23 | asuffield | 13 strokes, for fuck's sake |
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| 02:24.02 | TekEmperor | It's like nobody even wants to tell me where to look. |
| 02:24.12 | helix | asuffield: http://double-helix.org/images/japanese.jpg is how I was taught, but I've seen other things that looked a lot better ;) |
| 02:24.31 | phaedral | TekEmperor: prob'ly; this is a pretty l33t crowd |
| 02:24.34 | asuffield | that's pretty sucky |
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| 02:24.48 | Phated | Ooh harsh. |
| 02:24.53 | asuffield | well, it is |
| 02:24.54 | hadiz | can someone take a look at this xserver log and tell me what is wrong w/it? http://www.adamdesigns.com/old/XFree86.0.log |
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| 02:25.01 | Phated | asuffield: Not saying it wasn't true. :) |
| 02:25.06 | bob2 | TekEmperor: or no one knows thae answer |
| 02:25.06 | liam | thomas_adam, I guess what I'm asking is do I need to explicitly tell debian that I'm using my own kernel, (using dummy package or something) and if so, how! :-s |
| 02:25.06 | hadiz | something w/ the mouse, I would imagine.. |
| 02:25.13 | Phated | But seeing as I haven't seen it, no comment. |
| 02:25.16 | asuffield | it's roughly comparable to how it looks when you have a small child write on a blackboard |
| 02:25.17 | PerfDave | liam: Use make-kpkg :) |
| 02:25.18 | jonesst1 | anybody put debain on a compaq ds10? |
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| 02:25.24 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 02:25.24 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 02:25.26 | jonesst1 | debian |
| 02:25.28 | jonesst1 | even |
| 02:25.32 | TekEmperor | I'm pretty sure the module is cx8800 but when I type modprobe cx8800, it says it can't find the module. |
| 02:25.47 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: You need a kernel with that module available, or compiled in. |
| 02:25.48 | asuffield | Phated: it's not difficult to paste the link and look :P |
| 02:25.48 | helix | asuffield: heh. it probably helps to not do it with dry erase markers ;) |
| 02:25.49 | Phated | hadiz: Problem with the config file. Reconfig. Not too many details there I'm afraid. :) |
| 02:25.53 | Phated | asuffield: :P |
| 02:26.02 | TekEmperor | perfdave, how do I do that? |
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| 02:26.10 | Phated | helix: Get a nice calligraphy brush. :) |
| 02:26.11 | TekEmperor | or get that rather. |
| 02:26.11 | hadiz | Phated: okays, I'll try that |
| 02:26.14 | asuffield | helix: nah, you can do kanji with those, as long as they're chisel tip. it's using a biro that sucks |
| 02:26.18 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: What kernel are you running now? |
| 02:26.27 | liam | PerfDave, but its installed, why remake it? |
| 02:26.30 | sussudio | in soviet russia, calligrapher brushes get you. |
| 02:26.31 | asuffield | pencil's pretty awful too |
| 02:26.34 | Phated | hadiz: :) Or try more details in that log. :) |
| 02:26.35 | helix | asuffield: yeah |
| 02:26.36 | phaedral | anyone doing calligraphy with their wacom? |
| 02:26.38 | TekEmperor | I don't know, I just did some default desktop install from a businesscard cd. |
| 02:26.39 | zirikili | helix , do you know how the pronounce of 'debian' looks like in portuguese? |
| 02:26.45 | mousex | Do linksys lne100tx NICs work with debian hppa? what kernel module do I need? |
| 02:26.47 | helix | I was taught with a pencil, which I'm sure didn't help |
| 02:26.48 | PerfDave | liam: If you'd done that in the first place, Debian would know it was there :) |
| 02:26.50 | TekEmperor | I think it was a sarge version. |
| 02:27.01 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:27.03 | helix | zirikili: djee-bee-ahn |
| 02:27.05 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Install one, see if it works |
| 02:27.19 | asuffield | stroke direction and sequence matters, so it's important that your strokes be visible. it's almost impossible without wet ink |
| 02:27.22 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Do you know if the cx8800 code is actually part of the Linux kernel? |
| 02:27.28 | liam | PerfDave, so, install the whole lot again?! :-( |
| 02:27.31 | TekEmperor | 2.4.26 |
| 02:27.37 | TekEmperor | or 27 |
| 02:27.39 | PerfDave | liam: This will teach you not to RTFM :) |
| 02:27.42 | mousex | I've heard lne100tx use tulip drivers, but not sure if that's only for x86 or also for parisc . . . |
| 02:27.43 | helix | asuffield: yeah. there is a kanji writing program in debian that I tried practicing with and eventually gave up |
| 02:27.43 | TekEmperor | I see some entrieas of both. |
| 02:27.46 | meli | maestro[]: ok i've compiled now everything i'll do a restart now. hopefully it'll be working then! |
| 02:27.53 | meli | maestro[]: thanks so far |
| 02:27.56 | Phated | helix: With a mouse? |
| 02:27.59 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, nope. |
| 02:27.59 | helix | Phated: yeah |
| 02:28.00 | maestro[] | meli: np |
| 02:28.07 | liam | PerfDave, well, yes. Looks like I've just been hit over the head with the bloody thing. ;-) |
| 02:28.10 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Is that nope it isn't, or nope you don't know? |
| 02:28.11 | TekEmperor | I know I have a TV Wonder Pro |
| 02:28.15 | helix | it imitates a calligraphy brush or whatever |
| 02:28.23 | Phated | helix: That would be odd. You wouldn't really learn much about the strokes and stuff. |
| 02:28.29 | asuffield | helix: yuurgh. I use kanjipad on occasion, but you really can't do it with a mouse. need a graphics tablet |
| 02:28.30 | TekEmperor | I don't know where to look. |
| 02:28.33 | PerfDave | liam: It's amazing how many people install Debian without even glancing at the Installation Manual. Personally, I think it's too easy :) |
| 02:28.38 | Phated | I mean you'd learn the characters, but not the strokes. |
| 02:28.44 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, it's an I don't know. |
| 02:28.44 | sussudio | Phated: the swedish alt rock band? |
| 02:28.45 | helix | Phated: well, assuming you already know which way the strokes are supposed to go |
| 02:28.45 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: How do you know you need a cx8800 module then? |
| 02:28.52 | asuffield | kanjipad's just a quick way to paste kanji when you don't have time to load a japanese IME |
| 02:28.53 | helix | Phated: it doesn't teach anything, it's just a tool for practicing |
| 02:28.57 | sussudio | oh wait. that's the hives. |
| 02:29.02 | helix | or yeah, what asuffield said |
| 02:29.02 | Phated | helix: True, but I wouldn't have practiced my Chinese characters. :) |
| 02:29.06 | sussudio | nevermind, the strokes suck. |
| 02:29.10 | phaedral | PerfDave: you're right; there should be two worlds; you gurus and us windows lusers; never the twain shall meet |
| 02:29.10 | Phated | On a computer. |
| 02:29.14 | asuffield | (sketch it, hit the 'search' button, it comes back with a list of options, paste the one you want) |
| 02:29.15 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, when I searched for "TV Wonder Pro" and Linux modprobe cx8800 came up somewhere. |
| 02:29.19 | mousex | TekEmperor: are you trying to set up a tv card? |
| 02:29.20 | PerfDave | phaedral: Oh, fuck off, cuntrag |
| 02:29.25 | TekEmperor | mousex, yes. |
| 02:29.25 | helix | asuffield: oh, does it? I didn't get that far |
| 02:29.28 | jonesst1 | anybody put debian on a compaq ds10? |
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| 02:29.33 | Poncha | Guerin, does lftp persist syntax when mirroring from http(s) or ftp ? (seen example for ftp, but it looks like actually running ftp commands there) |
| 02:29.40 | zirikili | helix , thanks |
| 02:29.42 | liam | PerfDave, I was impressed with the ease. The only glitch was the nvidia drivers but I was expecting that. |
| 02:29.42 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Fair enough, I'd try installing a Debian kernel-image and see whether that works, first thing. |
| 02:29.50 | asuffield | helix: you may have been using something else :P |
| 02:29.53 | helix | zirikili: but you should just pronounce it english-like :) |
| 02:29.57 | helix | asuffield: hm, possibly |
| 02:30.01 | phaedral | PerfDave: that's a pretty nice example of what's wrong with this place |
| 02:30.05 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, Sorry, I'm not used to debian, how do I go about doing that? |
| 02:30.08 | helix | I'm not even sure how to find it; it's installed, but I don't recallt he name |
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| 02:30.17 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick one you like, apt-get install it. |
| 02:30.22 | asuffield | helix: xshodo? |
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| 02:30.33 | helix | might've been. that sounds familiar |
| 02:30.35 | PerfDave | phaedral: No, it's a good reaction to blatant fucking trolling from a moron like yourself. |
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| 02:30.48 | helix | asuffield: yeah, that one |
| 02:30.52 | chealer | hi, how can I stop mysql when it starts automatically? |
| 02:30.53 | PerfDave | phaedral: You may have noticed that I'm doing my best to be very helpful to *other* people. |
| 02:30.53 | asuffield | it's crap. it's also non-free |
| 02:30.55 | smj | Hey folks. Know where I can find the tools dig and nslookup? |
| 02:30.58 | phaedral | PerfDave: when l33t rudeness reaches a level such as yours you forget where the flames start? |
| 02:31.00 | zirikili | helix , :) I've heard other way here... sounds like 'debbian' |
| 02:31.01 | liam | PerfDave, So if I make-kpkg and get it all working, I should be able to uninstall the old stuff without the apt wanting to remove all my libraries, yeh? |
| 02:31.03 | asuffield | *really* need a graphics tablet for that, and gimp is better anyway |
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| 02:31.07 | PerfDave | liam: Yep |
| 02:31.15 | liam | PerfDave, Excellent, thanks :) |
| 02:31.29 | chealer | smj: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=nslookup&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 02:31.29 | helix | hmm |
| 02:31.32 | smj | I did an apt-cache search dig and didn't get anything useful. |
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| 02:31.43 | PerfDave | smj: /msg dpkg find |
| 02:31.49 | TekEmperor | What's the latest stable kernel? |
| 02:31.50 | PerfDave | smj: I think they're in dns-utils or something |
| 02:31.53 | helix | nearly two years? it couldn't have been for his birthday then |
| 02:31.54 | helix | oh well |
| 02:32.03 | chealer | TekEmperor: kernel.org |
| 02:32.17 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Not sure about 2.4.*, probably 2.6.7 for the 2.6 series. |
| 02:32.23 | Phated | 2.6.9. |
| 02:32.25 | smj | Thanks PerfDave chealer. I appreciate the info. :-) |
| 02:32.29 | Phated | 2.6.10-rc1 is out. |
| 02:32.32 | Phated | *shudder* |
| 02:32.33 | hadiz | Phated: Somehow I got debian to walk through the XF86config, and it autodetected most of the settings. Any way to get this to happen again? |
| 02:32.36 | PerfDave | Phated: That's a matter of opinion ;) |
| 02:32.38 | Area-51 | (as root) what does it mean by operation not supported when i do "ifconfig scanning" for eth1? (eth1 is my wifi card) |
| 02:32.49 | Phated | hadiz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. |
| 02:32.52 | Phated | PerfDave: True. |
| 02:32.56 | helix | hearing about new kernels being out is almost as exciting as hearing about firefox releases |
| 02:33.19 | chealer | no, firefox is more :) |
| 02:33.21 | Phated | Depends who you are then, |
| 02:33.25 | chealer | kernel is already too good |
| 02:33.27 | Phated | Firefox, fun. |
| 02:33.34 | implicature | is there a format god out there |
| 02:33.43 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, I typed "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686" and it started doing stuff. |
| 02:33.51 | asuffield | helix: what's the katakana at the bottom supposed to say? |
| 02:33.58 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Cool. You're running a 686-type processor, right? |
| 02:34.00 | helix | I think it's his name |
| 02:34.02 | Phated | PerfDave: Puh-lease. People would get over that SO quickly. |
| 02:34.08 | helix | yeah |
| 02:34.09 | asuffield | I see 'denie...' |
| 02:34.20 | helix | asuffield: should be 'daniel', so pretty close |
| 02:34.20 | xerophyte | hmm i installed debian in VMware, i can able ssh from different terminal .. how does that work just wondering? |
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| 02:34.26 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, honesly, I don't know. |
| 02:34.28 | smj | chealer: Well I'll be damned, I got to the packages web page and completely missed the search option at the bottom. Thanks again. :-) |
| 02:34.35 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: What processor is in your computer? |
| 02:34.37 | asuffield | that would be 'danieru' |
| 02:34.52 | PerfDave | Phated: There should be an option to skip it, which is only documented in the Installation Manual |
| 02:34.55 | TekEmperor | I think it's a k6-2 500mhz, that's only a 5x86 class isn't it? |
| 02:34.55 | helix | asuffield: yeah. she went over all of that funny stuff, but it's been a while ;) |
| 02:34.57 | TekEmperor | Ooops. |
| 02:34.57 | maestro[] | bed |
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| 02:35.08 | Phated | PerfDave: Again, people would just DO that step. |
| 02:35.27 | PerfDave | Phated: Yes, but it'd mean they at least knew that the Installation Manual existed ;) |
| 02:35.29 | kreg | so uh |
| 02:35.32 | cofubye | hi, i have an operation not permitted with rungetty and mingetty, but it works fine with getty.. any idea? |
| 02:35.42 | sussudio | minge-tty? |
| 02:35.45 | smj | Did I mention that Debian kicks such ass? |
| 02:35.46 | chealer | TekEmperor: right |
| 02:35.50 | Guerin | PerfDave: like the old copy protection for certain early 1990s games... |
| 02:35.53 | TekEmperor | Oh crap. |
| 02:36.02 | PerfDave | Guerin: Exactly, it's retro :) |
| 02:36.05 | TekEmperor | chealer, will this remove the old kernel from grub? |
| 02:36.07 | kreg | a directory is owned by "nobody / nogroup". how would i make an account named "kreg" have write permisions in that directory? |
| 02:36.09 | Phated | PerfDave: So? They could just not read it. |
| 02:36.10 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Just install -386 |
| 02:36.17 | asuffield | helix: it's spelled wrong, anyway :P |
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| 02:36.19 | PerfDave | Phated: Yes, but they'd be aware that it exists ;) |
| 02:36.19 | phaedral | smj: tha's why we here |
| 02:36.20 | Ween | is there any way to pipe output from a bash script to mail and then have it attach a file? |
| 02:36.23 | phaedral | :) |
| 02:36.25 | Phated | PerfDave: Doesn't matter. |
| 02:36.26 | cofubye | sussudio mingetty is a tty for console |
| 02:36.31 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, I think I'm going to have to start from scratch now. |
| 02:36.33 | PerfDave | Phated: Matters to me :) |
| 02:36.34 | Guerin | kreg: adduser kreg nogroup |
| 02:36.35 | helix | asuffield: hey man, cut me some slack. I never said I was any kind of scholar. :) |
| 02:36.38 | TekEmperor | I kind of rebooted already. |
| 02:36.39 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Start what from scratch? |
| 02:36.50 | TekEmperor | The isntall. |
| 02:36.52 | Guerin | Ween: yes. |
| 02:36.55 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Boot into your old kernel if the -686 one doesn't work on a k6 |
| 02:36.55 | helix | asuffield: besides, the person that taught me is the same one that got me that shower cap |
| 02:36.56 | kreg | Guerin, kreg is a member of nogroup *shrug*. so i was confuesed and thought i'd ask |
| 02:36.58 | Phated | PerfDave: Not to many others. |
| 02:37.00 | helix | so come to your own conclusions |
| 02:37.01 | asuffield | oh dear |
| 02:37.03 | PerfDave | Phated: So what? |
| 02:37.11 | chealer | TekEmperor: hum no I don't think apt-get will change the kernels grub show. anyway I'm not aware of how to compile kernels |
| 02:37.16 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, shwew, it still had the old one. |
| 02:37.31 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: THis is one advantage of using Debian kernel-image packages ;) |
| 02:37.34 | Ween | Guerin, do you have a place where i might could read how to do such |
| 02:37.36 | TekEmperor | So if there are newer kernels out, how do I update my list? |
| 02:37.48 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Did you finish the apt-get install stage? |
| 02:37.50 | Phated | PerfDave: Look I don't care and neither do you. |
| 02:38.07 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, I rebooted, the 686 was a choice, I chose the old one though. |
| 02:38.11 | Guerin | Ween: #bash |
| 02:38.18 | TekEmperor | yes I completed it. |
| 02:38.19 | asuffield | helix: I guess I should be glad it wasn't seifuku and a pink wig |
| 02:38.21 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Which list are you talking about? |
| 02:38.22 | Guerin | Ween: read the faq listed there. |
| 02:38.29 | TekEmperor | grub bootloader. |
| 02:38.30 | Ween | ok |
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| 02:38.36 | PerfDave | Phated: I care. There are enough muppets who come in here who don't know that the IM even *exists* that it would make life easier if d-i encouraged people to read it :) |
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| 02:38.57 | PerfDave | TekEmperor: Every time you install a new kernel-image package, it gets added to the bootloader automatically. |
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| 02:39.05 | helix | asuffield: what is seifuku? a random glance at i.g.c leads me to believe it's a schoolgirl outfit |
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| 02:39.10 | Phated | PerfDave: Meh. |
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| 02:39.27 | Guerin | I still think caphuso's dea of making unregistered nicks +q until they do !faq is a good idea |
| 02:39.32 | TekEmperor | "bttv doesn't support your Conexant 2388x card" |
| 02:39.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: damned tempting |
| 02:39.55 | PerfDave | Right, it's 2:40am, time for me to sleep |
| 02:39.59 | chealer | TekEmperor: I know my friend already tried a 686 kernel on k6-2, but he said it rebooted regularly. so, I'd tell you to change ASAP |
| 02:40.06 | asuffield | helix: roughly. there's no real translation; literally it's "sailor suit", or sometimes "schoolgirl sailor uniform". common and stereotypical styling of girl's school uniforms at a certain age |
| 02:40.06 | sussudio | you can't actually type !faq if you're +q |
| 02:40.15 | helix | asuffield: gotcha |
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| 02:40.22 | Guerin | sussudio: true, but the principle remains |
| 02:40.22 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg faq works |
| 02:40.24 | chealer | !faq |
| 02:40.24 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:40.25 | helix | pfft, I could be stylish in that, especially with a pink wig |
| 02:40.52 | simonrvn | helix: i read that as "wink pig" |
| 02:40.53 | Guerin | helix: your eyes aren't big enough |
| 02:40.57 | implicature | are there any knoppix vets that can help me |
| 02:41.04 | asuffield | it is generally thought that the people who designed the japanese school uniforms for girls were perverts |
| 02:41.06 | FieldySnuts | NONONO |
| 02:41.06 | simonrvn | implicature: in #knoppix, yes |
| 02:41.07 | Guerin | implicature: plenty in #knoppix |
| 02:41.09 | sussudio | !bugger implicature |
| 02:41.11 | asuffield | you should see the gym uniform |
| 02:41.12 | phaedral | he said the k word |
| 02:41.24 | TekEmperor | PerfDave, what was the command to see which kernels I can get? |
| 02:41.25 | Phated | asuffield: Really short shorts? :) |
| 02:41.26 | helix | asuffield: pff. japanese girls are fetishized in *any* outfit |
| 02:41.31 | Phated | Hahaha. |
| 02:41.32 | phaedral | implicature: uh, a little distro bigotry; you'll be happier on #knoppix, truly |
| 02:41.37 | helix | and any schoolgirl outfit is an automatic fetish |
| 02:41.46 | asuffield | Phated: more like a bikini |
| 02:41.56 | implicature | thanks phaedral i am out peace yall |
| 02:42.07 | Phated | Man I am annoyed by that fucking distro-bigot thing. |
| 02:42.11 | Guerin | !irritate phaedral |
| 02:42.12 | dpkg | phaedral: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 02:42.14 | FieldySnuts | so am i |
| 02:42.18 | Phated | I'm the only distro-bigot in here, OK? |
| 02:42.20 | FieldySnuts | dummies. |
| 02:42.30 | Phated | asuffield: Ah. |
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| 02:43.08 | Phated | helix: Kickbanning is food for the soul? ;) |
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| 02:43.31 | Phated | Interesting. |
| 02:43.44 | helix | it doesn't counterbalance how soulsucking #debian is |
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| 02:43.55 | Phated | helix: *shrugs* My deepest apologies. |
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| 02:43.59 | asuffield | http://schala.net/azu/images/art14.jpg - here you go |
| 02:44.13 | phaedral | ooops; looked away... |
| 02:44.20 | helix | heh |
| 02:44.34 | helix | poor japanese girls. there is also destinajapan.us |
| 02:44.57 | Phated | phaedral: Cue here would be for you to roundly insult me while I attempt to defend myself thus allowing you to call me a bigger distro-bigot and then you get to be all sarcastic. |
| 02:44.59 | phaedral | ah, now that i know there was nothing worth responding too |
| 02:45.08 | FieldySnuts | troll |
| 02:45.17 | phaedral | s/too/to |
| 02:45.26 | phaedral | FieldySnuts: compliments will get you everywhere |
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| 02:45.35 | helix | shut up, all of you |
| 02:45.38 | resiak | (#d is such nice bed-time reading ;)) |
| 02:45.59 | baroni | hello all |
| 02:46.01 | TekEmperor | okay fixed that. |
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| 02:46.07 | TekEmperor | how do I remove the screwed up one? |
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| 02:46.43 | asuffield | get a room, you two |
| 02:46.46 | Phated | Meh, girly foul. |
| 02:46.47 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 02:46.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:46.56 | Antisoche | what kind of smurf ARE you? |
| 02:47.03 | Phated | Are WHO? |
| 02:47.04 | helix | what. |
| 02:47.05 | baroni | I need to test 2 float points numbers... the test comand does not deals with this.. "[ ${NUM1} -gt ${NUM2} ]" ... where NUM1|2 are float point numbers. Does anybody knows how to deal with this ? |
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| 02:47.15 | Phated | Define "smurf" also. |
| 02:47.15 | FieldySnuts | bbl. |
| 02:47.17 | phaedral | dangit; what's +q? |
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| 02:47.25 | implicature | #knoppix didn't connct to irc.knoppix.org |
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| 02:47.31 | Phated | helix: Demonstrate on him, please! :) |
| 02:47.35 | FieldySnuts | not our problem |
| 02:47.36 | Nyle | ls |
| 02:47.37 | helix | I'll demonstrate on you |
| 02:47.38 | Nyle | doh |
| 02:47.40 | phaedral | implicature: just /join #knoppix |
| 02:47.47 | Guerin | implicature: no, #knoppix is on freenode |
| 02:47.47 | Phated | helix: Well yeah that works too. |
| 02:47.49 | phaedral | kick I'm guessing... |
| 02:47.54 | Phated | Quiet. |
| 02:48.07 | Antisoche | implicature: type /join #knoppix |
| 02:48.12 | helix | phaedral: it removes your ability to type in the channel but doesn't remove you or prevent you from joining |
| 02:48.24 | phaedral | helix: many thanks |
| 02:48.48 | Phated | And less time calling people bigots, suuure. |
| 02:49.05 | Phated | helix: Do I have to? |
| 02:49.10 | asuffield | do you *ever*? |
| 02:49.21 | Phated | Not really, but she said to do so explicitly. |
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| 02:50.01 | rich_ | It's not bigoted to like debian. Its biggoted to come all the way here, from some other channel to call us biggoted |
| 02:50.12 | Guerin | bigoted |
| 02:50.17 | Phated | He came from another channel? I don't think so. |
| 02:50.36 | Phated | But anyways it's apparently bigoted to not want to discuss based-on distros. *shrugs* So I'm a bigot. |
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| 02:50.47 | rich_ | Most people did come from some other channel |
| 02:51.03 | asuffield | what is with all the girls in this place now anyway? it used to be a much more manly channel |
| 02:51.05 | Phated | True. |
| 02:51.16 | Phated | asuffield: There are a sum total of three girls, quit whininh. |
| 02:51.17 | FieldySnuts | eh |
| 02:51.18 | Phated | whining* |
| 02:51.23 | phaedral | and some of us came from that other channel because they knew they didn't have "the real deal" and wanted to get there |
| 02:51.30 | phaedral | but got treated like parhiahs for saying so |
| 02:51.30 | Guerin | i can think of five |
| 02:51.33 | FieldySnuts | god, stop trolling phad |
| 02:51.34 | phaedral | ;) |
| 02:51.39 | Phated | Guerin: Really? |
| 02:51.40 | FieldySnuts | phaewhatever |
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| 02:51.57 | asuffield | and *none* of them are cute. it's just not fair |
| 02:51.59 | Phated | Me, helix, FieldySnuts, and who? Oh wait Guerin and PerfDave of course... |
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| 02:52.13 | phaedral | sorry, thought i was replpying; happy to drop it if y'all are |
| 02:52.19 | Guerin | Phated: RainbowW and beth |
| 02:52.29 | Phated | Guerin: Ah. |
| 02:52.39 | Phated | Not seen them talking much, my bad. :) |
| 02:52.51 | rich_ | Someone here once said that people here answer questions for political reasons, but I never have figured out what those reasons are. |
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| 02:53.13 | Phated | Well of course we have to be good distro bigots and answer questions. |
| 02:53.52 | Phated | Another reply to that would be: "I think you're asking that for political reasons." |
| 02:53.57 | budluva | so its possible to access my linux machine in network neighborhood? |
| 02:53.57 | Antisoche | I have a question about SUSE ... |
| 02:54.03 | Guerin | !possible |
| 02:54.03 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 02:54.05 | budluva | err, is it possible |
| 02:54.12 | phaedral | !susesmite Antisoche |
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| 02:54.23 | Antisoche | eh? |
| 02:54.24 | Guerin | Antisoche: I have a question about fatal beatings |
| 02:54.25 | phaedral | well, i tried : |
| 02:54.26 | phaedral | :) |
| 02:54.27 | Poncha | what am i doing wrong? > lftp -e 'mirror https://images.godaddy.com/assets/home/gd_logo_make.jpg' |
| 02:54.33 | helloyo | how to i get debian to auto login (kdm)? |
| 02:54.43 | Guerin | Poncha: what error? |
| 02:54.43 | Poncha | it says "mirror: Access failed: 404 Not Found (/assets/home/gd_logo_make.jpg)" |
| 02:54.45 | FieldySnuts | there's a nic secure idea. |
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| 02:54.56 | Poncha | Guerin, i can hit this url just fine from browser :( |
| 02:54.58 | Phated | phaedral: No no, we're only distro bigots towards based-on distros. |
| 02:55.04 | Antisoche | helloyo: It's on the KDE config |
| 02:55.08 | scarynetworkguy | helloyo: don't do stupid things. |
| 02:55.10 | helloyo | thanks |
| 02:55.11 | phaedral | !knoppixsmite phaedral |
| 02:55.15 | Phated | s/we're/I'm/ |
| 02:55.23 | helloyo | scarynetworkguy, how come? is it that insecure? |
| 02:55.30 | FieldySnuts | getting old, why is he still being allowed to troll |
| 02:55.32 | scarynetworkguy | helloyo: Yeah. |
| 02:55.34 | phaedral | Phated: will try to keep that distinction in mind |
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| 02:55.38 | Antisoche | helloyo: Sysadmin -> Login Manager -> Convenience |
| 02:55.41 | Phated | phaedral: It's only me, mind you. |
| 02:55.43 | fatrat | abrotman:i did a little research and figured out that when i try and boot the xterm thinclient it requires a .boot file and not vmlinuz.bin file |
| 02:55.49 | fatrat | how can i fix that |
| 02:55.55 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I dunno. I'm the one trolling now, really. |
| 02:56.00 | FieldySnuts | bad girl |
| 02:56.03 | phaedral | Phated: uh, y'r kidding, right? |
| 02:56.05 | Phated | Meh. |
| 02:56.06 | phaedral | ;) |
| 02:56.15 | Phated | phaedral: No, I am not. |
| 02:56.27 | Guerin | Poncha: cd: Access failed: 403 Forbidden (/assets) |
| 02:56.37 | Guerin | Poncha: no directory list, apparently |
| 02:57.11 | Poncha | Guerin, well... dir listing is forbidden in most web servers :( ... i don't need lftp to see what other files are there... |
| 02:57.20 | Phated | Hah. |
| 02:57.32 | Phated | Sorry, but bigot is a non-negotiable insult. |
| 02:57.32 | Guerin | Poncha: he way lftp works by default seems to require it, though. |
| 02:57.32 | abrotman | flowers! |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | and eggs! |
| 02:57.41 | Phated | abrotman: No thanks. |
| 02:57.51 | helloyo | about to put debian on a 400MHz laptop, any suggestions? |
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| 02:58.04 | Guerin | helloyo: read the install guide |
| 02:58.25 | Phated | helloyo: Good luck, godspeed, RTFM. :) |
| 02:58.27 | phaedral | Phated: bigot=>ugly word |
| 02:58.30 | phaedral | agreed? |
| 02:58.32 | Poncha | Guerin, ok... are there any other options that i can use to mirror a single file regardless of protocol |
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| 02:58.43 | Phated | phaedral: bigot= what you called me and most of #debian by implication. |
| 02:58.46 | phaedral | #debian not always cuddly for newbies |
| 02:58.47 | TekEmperor | okay "apt-get install" installs stuff, how do I remove stuff? |
| 02:58.57 | Poncha | TekEmperor, apt-get remove :) |
| 02:59.02 | Antisoche | TekEmperor: tried 'man apt-get' ? |
| 02:59.03 | phaedral | Phated: don't think I ever identified a specific person for bigot... |
| 02:59.03 | Phated | Surprsingly, apt-get remove. |
| 02:59.06 | Guerin | Poncha: I bet lftp can do it, that's just annoying. I also don't see why wget is failing on that second file. |
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| 02:59.14 | Poncha | TekEmperor, add --purge to throw away the configs as well |
| 02:59.17 | Phated | phaedral: No but you called the general area distro bigots. |
| 02:59.40 | phaedral | okay, so, points of agreement: didn't single you out, bigot is ugly word... |
| 02:59.50 | Guerin | chrissakes |
| 02:59.51 | TekEmperor | thanks Poncha. |
| 02:59.54 | rich_ | Its not bigotry because we allow the other dists to exist. In fact, many people includeing myself are glad that many people use them and so don't come here. |
| 02:59.58 | Phated | Yeah, but you also said it. |
| 03:00.01 | Guerin | Pha*: stop whining at each other |
| 03:00.15 | Phated | Guerin: I'm not whining. OK I am whining, but at him, I'm sniping. |
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| 03:00.33 | phaedral | Guerin: I should not respond? We should take it to a private place? What? |
| 03:00.38 | Guerin | go and have a fistfight or something, sort it out |
| 03:00.42 | Phated | Guerin: And don't try to be clever with that regexp thing. |
| 03:00.46 | Phated | Fistfight, awesome! |
| 03:01.06 | Phated | Fuck Pitt. |
| 03:01.15 | Phated | Oh hm... Actually, hold him so that I can? |
| 03:01.16 | Alleria | is there a package that converts iso images in bin/cue format to .isos? (so xcdroast will burn them?) |
| 03:01.18 | simonrvn | arm pitt |
| 03:01.20 | phaedral | Phated: no thanks, i'm batting for the home team |
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| 03:01.32 | phaedral | Phated: you could do worse... |
| 03:01.45 | phaedral | might take a couple of us to hold him for you... |
| 03:01.51 | Antisoche | http://newyork.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/47785163.html |
| 03:01.58 | Phated | phaedral: I could indeed. But you know, I -like- fistfights, let get this over with. |
| 03:02.07 | helix | :| |
| 03:02.15 | Phated | simonrvn: Meh, even Guerin thinks he's sexy. In selected movies. |
| 03:02.22 | Phated | helix: Sorry. :( |
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| 03:02.31 | initech | fistfight! |
| 03:02.38 | Phated | Gladly. |
| 03:02.53 | simonrvn | i couldn't less if he was butt-ugly, if they can act well, so be it |
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| 03:03.01 | simonrvn | care*+ |
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| 03:03.17 | phaedral | Phated: never on a sunday |
| 03:03.19 | phaedral | ;) |
| 03:03.19 | Phated | initech: He isn't responding. Oh -wait-, silly me, he doesn't think it's worth responding to! |
| 03:03.22 | Antisoche | like Tom Arnold? |
| 03:03.28 | helix | Phated: enough |
| 03:03.30 | simonrvn | initech: yo' mama mo'fo'.. |
| 03:03.31 | TekEmperor | Sweet, I think I can get it from here. |
| 03:03.35 | helloyo | how much swap space for a 400mhz laptop with 192MB ram? |
| 03:03.40 | Phated | phaedral: I'm not religious. Let's take this to a atheist spot. |
| 03:03.42 | phaedral | woot for TekEmperor! |
| 03:03.45 | Phated | helix: Yes'm. |
| 03:03.55 | Phated | phaedral: Forget it, we'll settle it some other time. |
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| 03:04.12 | phaedral | Phated: settle what? I just think it's nice to play nice with strangers... |
| 03:04.13 | Guerin | helloyo: 200-500MB |
| 03:04.25 | Phated | phaedral: You're hardly a stranger once you've traded insults. |
| 03:04.39 | helix | do I have to +q both of you? stop talking to each other |
| 03:04.52 | gce | i just plugged a usb external hard drive into one of my boxes. How do I know what the device /dev/? it is configured as ? |
| 03:04.52 | Guerin | fuck yeah |
| 03:04.55 | Phated | But again, helix is annoyed with I, I'll just settle back into my spot right here. |
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| 03:05.14 | scarynetworkguy | gce: read your logs. |
| 03:05.32 | Antisoche | gce: it's /dev/sd? ... if you use udev, you can configure it to something static |
| 03:05.45 | budluva | how do i change my workgroup in debian? |
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| 03:05.54 | Antisoche | Bugalugs: your what? |
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| 03:05.58 | Antisoche | er |
| 03:06.01 | helix | workgroup? is that a windows thing? |
| 03:06.02 | Antisoche | budluva: |
| 03:06.08 | Phated | helix: Yeah it is. |
| 03:06.09 | budluva | well yes |
| 03:06.14 | budluva | im tryin to setup samba |
| 03:06.18 | Antisoche | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.29 | budluva | ahh ok |
| 03:06.30 | Guerin | budluva: #samba |
| 03:06.30 | budluva | thanks |
| 03:06.36 | initech | budluva: the "workgroup" entry in /etc/smb.conf? |
| 03:06.57 | mainiac | well, I can't find any way of using fluxbox so I'll give it up for now |
| 03:07.05 | initech | err, /etc/samba/smb.conf |
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| 03:07.20 | chealer | budluva: or apt-get install webmin-samba |
| 03:07.49 | Antisoche | I think so Brain, but where are we going to find Leiderhosen our size at this time of night? |
| 03:07.52 | Guerin | noooo, not webmin |
| 03:07.56 | chealer | but I really find that webmin module difficult |
| 03:08.00 | Guerin | never encourage people to use webmin |
| 03:08.02 | helix | I love when I save a text file in some random directory and forget where it i |
| 03:08.03 | phaedral | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=fluxbox&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all ? |
| 03:08.04 | helix | s |
| 03:08.14 | Antisoche | Guerin: cuz? |
| 03:08.19 | Phated | helix: locate? :) |
| 03:08.23 | phaedral | url => maniac |
| 03:08.27 | Guerin | Antisoche: I'm not your coussin. |
| 03:08.31 | Guerin | s/ss/s/ |
| 03:08.32 | helix | Phated: well, I named it something like 'lakjsdl' |
| 03:08.35 | Antisoche | hmm |
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| 03:08.39 | helix | because I didn't intend to keep it |
| 03:08.41 | Phated | Antisoche: The word you want is "why". |
| 03:08.45 | helix | I bet it's in ~/.vim/backups |
| 03:08.48 | Phated | helix: Well then. Have fun. :) |
| 03:08.49 | mousex | has anyone compiled ndiswrapper for parisc on a 2.6.8-1 kernel? |
| 03:08.51 | KeithWeisshar | which debian based distro works out of the box |
| 03:08.59 | Guerin | KeithWeisshar: debian |
| 03:08.59 | Phated | Debian itself, have a nice day. |
| 03:09.05 | helix | blahfdj.swp |
| 03:09.08 | helix | it's probably that |
| 03:09.11 | Phated | What the... |
| 03:09.15 | simonrvn | helix: the very reason why i name it test or temp or such |
| 03:09.19 | Phated | helix: You give your files the oddest names. |
| 03:09.28 | helix | well |
| 03:09.33 | gce | Antisoche and scarynetworkguy thanks for the help... it's seeing the drive as /dev/sda |
| 03:09.34 | Phated | Yeah what simonrvn said. |
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| 03:09.40 | phaedral | KeithWeisshar: uh, try sarge netinst... |
| 03:09.45 | helix | I usually start vim with vi alksjd and only mean to use it as a temporary clipboard |
| 03:09.46 | Phated | I usually use foo.tmp or something. |
| 03:09.50 | phaedral | KeithWeisshar: start at www.debian.org |
| 03:09.54 | mousex | hey, Phated, have you grown roots are irc.debian.org already? :) |
| 03:10.02 | Phated | helix: How do you decide on the name? |
| 03:10.10 | Phated | mousex: I did so a few months ago, thank you. :) |
| 03:10.11 | mousex | "are" -> "at" |
| 03:10.11 | helix | I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 03:10.19 | initech | helix: hey that |
| 03:10.19 | mousex | :lol |
| 03:10.21 | Antisoche | helix: businees as usual? |
| 03:10.23 | initech | s what i do |
| 03:10.24 | Phated | *snigger* Apologies, too funny an image. |
| 03:10.26 | simonrvn | helix: hehe |
| 03:10.28 | Guerin | helix: seems to be working for you though |
| 03:10.42 | Phated | helix: You -could- type foo... Or test, or temp-clpbrd... :) |
| 03:10.45 | KeithWeisshar | can sarge be released by new year |
| 03:10.45 | helix | Guerin: well, I haven't produced the complete works of shakespeare yet |
| 03:10.51 | Phated | But do as you will. |
| 03:10.54 | helix | Phated: all the foo/tmp/bar/baz names are taken in ~ |
| 03:10.56 | initech | KeithWeisshar: new years, 2027 |
| 03:10.57 | Guerin | !qotdx =~ s/10 // |
| 03:10.58 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 03:11.09 | Phated | helix: You'll need infinity-1 clones of you, and for them to be typing for all of infinity. :) |
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| 03:11.18 | Guerin | dpkg, no, qotd10 is <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
| 03:11.18 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:11.20 | Phated | To produce Shakespeare, that is. :) |
| 03:11.23 | Phated | HAhahaa. |
| 03:11.26 | PerfDave | Phated: Just because I've got more dresses than you... |
| 03:11.30 | initech | helix: then just start everything in /tmp/ |
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| 03:11.34 | Phated | PerfDave: Bugger off. |
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| 03:11.39 | helix | I don't have time for all of this silly planning |
| 03:11.48 | helix | otherwise I wouldn't be using vi alsjd in some random dir |
| 03:11.56 | Guerin | helix: that's my attitude towards planning, too. |
| 03:11.59 | mousex | does it suck up a lot of resources to serve as a bridge (between hub and a w-AP)??? |
| 03:12.00 | Phated | *sigh* |
| 03:12.07 | PerfDave | Gah, must not reply to 20 minute old comments in scrollback |
| 03:12.13 | Phated | Just keep one dir open all the time? :) |
| 03:12.15 | initech | helix: just do like alias vi='vi /tmp/$RANDOM' :) |
| 03:12.17 | Phated | PerfDave: No, indeed. |
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| 03:12.21 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 03:12.24 | PerfDave | mousex: Probably not, you should be able to do it on a 486 or maybe even 386 |
| 03:12.28 | Phated | I like initech's idea. |
| 03:12.31 | fooz | planning and probing |
| 03:12.33 | mousex | PerfDave: cool |
| 03:12.43 | Antisoche | I think 386 is permanently broken |
| 03:12.45 | initech | boy that's a winner, well just alias "edit" to it or something |
| 03:12.46 | Phated | Or maybe more along the lines of temp='vi /tmp/$RANDOM'. |
| 03:12.54 | PerfDave | mousex: Ethernet briding is *easy*. But possibly broken in 2.6, I have yet to work that out. |
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| 03:13.28 | Antisoche | iirc, glibc uses (or for a long time used) a 486-only instruction, even on 386. |
| 03:13.31 | Phated | initech: Meh, why edit? How about "fasdfk"? :) |
| 03:13.31 | mousex | PerfDave: "broken?" so I need modules to act as bridge? Who not just run a dhcp client and a dhcp server at the same time? |
| 03:13.39 | initech | Phated: asdfl;aksdjr |
| 03:13.40 | Phated | And that was me doing what helix does. :) |
| 03:13.47 | Antisoche | mousex: I do |
| 03:13.50 | PerfDave | mousex: What does DHCP have to do with bridging? |
| 03:13.51 | Phated | initech: Nah, bash would interpret it as two commands. :) |
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| 03:14.13 | mousex | PerfDave: just wanna make it easier to set up, but the bridging is for the data itself |
| 03:14.19 | PerfDave | mousex: I'm having some trouble bridging between a tun interface and an ethernet interface in 2.6 with qemu. I have yet to work out whether the problem lies with qemu, tun, or bridging. |
| 03:14.20 | Antisoche | mousex: nevermind. Read twice. Undersatnd once. |
| 03:14.24 | PerfDave | mousex: Are you sure you mean bridging? |
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| 03:14.35 | PerfDave | mousex: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 03:14.43 | helix | djfs, f, he, hi, are some I found |
| 03:14.44 | helix | hm |
| 03:14.55 | helix | I don't usually save the 'kjhsd' files |
| 03:14.56 | Phated | helix: You need to do that alias idea. :) |
| 03:14.59 | helix | I usually :q! |
| 03:14.59 | fooz | file names? |
| 03:14.59 | initech | why not just route them? what's with this bridging? |
| 03:15.03 | mousex | PerfDave: i thought a "bridge" took the connection from one side of the LAN and routed it to the another LAN. |
| 03:15.13 | PerfDave | mousex: What's that got to do with DHCP? |
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| 03:15.18 | helix | fooz: yeah |
| 03:15.33 | helix | djfs is.. oh shit |
| 03:15.33 | PerfDave | mousex: Ethernet bridges pass ethernet frames between seperate interfaces, which is probably what you want. |
| 03:15.34 | fooz | i name files after #debian users |
| 03:15.36 | helix | the file I was looking for! |
| 03:15.40 | Phated | Wha... |
| 03:15.40 | helix | my build errors :DDDDD |
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| 03:15.46 | Antisoche | mousex: do you want to not interrupt a broadcast domain? |
| 03:15.49 | initech | mousex: bridge is lower level than routing, or what people did before routing was popular :) |
| 03:15.50 | Phated | helix: Good god stop grinning! :) |
| 03:16.03 | mousex | PerfDave: I'm trying to use a computer with two NICs to interface a router with a wireless AP |
| 03:16.04 | PerfDave | gqap is my friend in vim |
| 03:16.06 | helix | phaedral: how so? |
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| 03:16.14 | PerfDave | mousex: "interface" "router"? |
| 03:16.19 | helix | PerfDave: gqap does the same thing as gqip, yeah? |
| 03:16.21 | fooz | I've got a Phated, a sussudio, some rahuls, and lots of helixes |
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| 03:16.24 | phaedral | just not quite following...but want to; good way to learn |
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| 03:16.26 | Phated | Good lord! |
| 03:16.32 | phaedral | gqip is good stuff |
| 03:16.35 | Phated | I have a file named after me. How lovely. |
| 03:16.38 | mousex | PerfDave: "connect", "wireless router device" |
| 03:16.38 | Antisoche | mousex: no bridge. router. firewall/nat maybe. |
| 03:16.46 | helix | fooz: you have files named after me? |
| 03:16.48 | PerfDave | Phated: It's only so he can touch(1) you :) |
| 03:16.49 | Phated | fooz: Next you'll announce that it contains random smut urls. |
| 03:16.51 | helix | they would be helices |
| 03:16.52 | mousex | Antisoche: ? |
| 03:16.54 | Phated | Hah! |
| 03:17.10 | Phated | Maybe he meant helix'es? |
| 03:17.13 | mousex | Antisoche, PerfDave: ok, ok, slowly, once again. What do I need? |
| 03:17.13 | PerfDave | mousex: So you have a machine with two NICs, and a WAP with an Ethernet port, and you want to do what exactly? |
| 03:17.29 | fooz | helix, yes, i use them to store random bytes |
| 03:17.33 | helix | danamania: you're obsessed |
| 03:17.33 | truffe | struct if you are here, you sux |
| 03:17.34 | initech | phaedral: wine, talk, touch, grep, yes |
| 03:17.37 | fooz | nah not really |
| 03:17.39 | helix | fooz: better than random bites |
| 03:17.40 | helix | :/ |
| 03:17.43 | Antisoche | mousex: Can you describe what you are trying to accomplish, big picture |
| 03:17.53 | cowbud | initech: you forgot mount and unmount |
| 03:17.55 | PerfDave | mousex: Yeah, big picture, little words ;) |
| 03:17.58 | Phated | initech: I do hope you adressed it to PerfDave. |
| 03:18.00 | phaedral | initech: must remember |
| 03:18.02 | initech | cowbud: and fsck and all |
| 03:18.04 | phaedral | :) |
| 03:18.10 | cowbud | indeed |
| 03:18.13 | Phated | Bah. |
| 03:18.16 | mousex | PerfDave: I want to give access to the wireless devices that connect to the AP, to the router that's on the other NIC. The router has all ports full, so my computer will have to be, in a sense, another router |
| 03:18.18 | Phated | /msg dpkg sex. :) |
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| 03:18.35 | helix | that is one of the lamest factoids ever |
| 03:18.37 | helix | which is saying a lot |
| 03:18.40 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 03:18.42 | Phated | True... |
| 03:18.49 | initech | cowbud: and don't bring slapd and slurpd into it either :) |
| 03:18.54 | cowbud | haha |
| 03:18.55 | LaptopAncient | haha |
| 03:18.56 | PerfDave | mousex: So you want to connect your WAP to your PC, which is connected to your router, and have the wireless stuff using the WAP access the router? |
| 03:18.57 | rich_ | mine is pretty lame too. |
| 03:19.00 | Phated | helix: But it's funny the first time you see it. |
| 03:19.08 | mousex | YES!!!!! |
| 03:19.10 | mousex | :) |
| 03:19.16 | helix | it's still funny to the dumbasses in my lug |
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| 03:19.25 | helix | OMG UNIX COMMANDS R TEH SALACIOUS!!!1 |
| 03:19.27 | PerfDave | mousex: Ethernet bridging is almost certainly what you want. |
| 03:19.29 | initech | my lug is so freakin lame |
| 03:19.35 | Antisoche | mousex: yup :) |
| 03:19.44 | Phated | initech: Meh, do they charge for membership? |
| 03:19.46 | mousex | PerfDave, Antisoche: so how is it done? |
| 03:19.47 | phaedral | i don't know if there's a lug that would have me... |
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| 03:19.51 | PerfDave | mousex: "modprobe bridge", assuming you don't have it compiled in; apt-get install bridge-utils, read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils |
| 03:19.53 | Antisoche | brctl |
| 03:19.57 | Phated | Well you're on #debian. :/ |
| 03:19.59 | LaptopAncient | i dont recommend bridging between wireless and wired networks. but its an easy way to go |
| 03:20.11 | initech | Phated: they are evolution denying born again christians |
| 03:20.12 | PerfDave | No, don't use brctl, use bridge-utils and set it up in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:20.20 | Phated | initech: Aaaaaaaahhh... LAME. |
| 03:20.24 | simonrvn | helix: salacious? oh my... they need to get out don't they |
| 03:20.32 | Guerin | !sex |
| 03:20.32 | dpkg | something you'll never get, geek. |
| 03:20.33 | Phated | initech: And yet not lamer than mine. |
| 03:20.34 | Antisoche | PerfDave: ? Is this available in woody? |
| 03:20.34 | helix | no, they need to stay in |
| 03:20.34 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:20.35 | helix | forever |
| 03:20.35 | mousex | PerfDave, Antisoche: perfect! That's all I needed . . . |
| 03:20.37 | helix | Guerin: w00t |
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| 03:20.42 | initech | Phated: and all bush supporters |
| 03:20.42 | sussudio | !factinfo sex |
| 03:20.42 | dpkg | sex -- last modified at Thu Nov 4 09:49:15 2004 by Guerin!~magpie@220.123.169.70; it has been requested 15 times, last by Guerin, 10s ago. |
| 03:20.45 | PerfDave | Antisoche: apt-cache search bridge-utils :) |
| 03:20.46 | Guerin | my winnah! |
| 03:20.47 | Phated | initech: GAH. |
| 03:20.47 | danamania | helix: I am |
| 03:20.49 | simonrvn | @lock sex |
| 03:20.49 | ravenbird | simonrvn: locking factoid sex |
| 03:20.50 | sussudio | !ewe |
| 03:20.50 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 03:20.52 | PerfDave | mousex: You might need some odd cabling though |
| 03:21.00 | rich_ | I wish there was a lug around here. Instead its just a web page telling people to join the lug in portland which is 40 miles away. Sometimes it sux living in a gimp state, but people give me things for free when I growl |
| 03:21.02 | Antisoche | PerfDave: No can do from here, sadly ... |
| 03:21.02 | simonrvn | @+sex |
| 03:21.03 | ravenbird | it has been said that sex is updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 03:21.03 | RobDollarAFK | !dpkg eggs |
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| 03:21.03 | dpkg | i guess eggs is chicken abortions |
| 03:21.10 | PerfDave | !info bridge-utils woody |
| 03:21.11 | mousex | PerfDave: I got all the hardware -- I think. |
| 03:21.11 | dpkg | bridge-utils: (Utilities for configuring the Linux 2.4 bridge.), section net, is optional. Version: 0.9.5-2 (woody), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 65 kB |
| 03:21.20 | Phated | Woohoo we have a backup of sex! |
| 03:21.24 | mousex | PerfDave: I'll read through the docs to figure out what else I need . . . |
| 03:21.24 | helix | the favorite game for my lug members is to append words to the end of those |
| 03:21.28 | helix | touch ass, finger ass |
| 03:21.29 | helix | etc. |
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| 03:21.30 | helix | god |
| 03:21.32 | Voyage002 | Can anyone help me with installing a Aureal 8830 Vortex 2 sound driver on a old kernel? |
| 03:21.33 | Antisoche | PerfDave: :) thx |
| 03:21.35 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:21.37 | RobDollarAFK | !dpkg armpit |
| 03:21.39 | Guerin | Phated: how can you have a backup of something you never had itfp? |
| 03:21.44 | PerfDave | mousex: Basically, your PC will pass ethernet frames between the WAP and the router transparently. |
| 03:21.46 | initech | Phated: Big Tuna, TX has a better LUG than us |
| 03:21.47 | Phated | Guerin: :P |
| 03:21.48 | deadcat | kill kill kill... |
| 03:21.53 | Phated | initech: Bah. |
| 03:21.56 | deadcat | i smell bloood |
| 03:21.59 | fooz | silly luggites |
| 03:22.05 | mousex | Antisoche, PerfDave: THANKS!!! :-p |
| 03:22.06 | fooz | I've never been to a LUG |
| 03:22.06 | Voyage002 | !dpkg Aureal |
| 03:22.13 | sussudio | ~zoof |
| 03:22.14 | apt | i heard zoof is the Master of All that is Fooz, or a crack whore |
| 03:22.16 | helix | kill would be an interesting last command for the sex factoid |
| 03:22.18 | PerfDave | There's an OxLUG meal on Wednesday, which clashes with the computer society termly curry :/ |
| 03:22.20 | Phated | fooz: As far as I can tell, most are lame. :/ |
| 03:22.21 | RobDollarAFK | !dpkg eggs |
| 03:22.21 | dpkg | i guess eggs is chicken abortions |
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| 03:22.23 | PerfDave | helix: Snuff! |
| 03:22.23 | Phated | helix: Heh. |
| 03:22.24 | Guerin | i think i'd just have to go on a killing spree at a lug |
| 03:22.25 | mousex | dpkg: they're fooling you! |
| 03:22.25 | dpkg | mousex: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:22.28 | deadcat | helix: how so? |
| 03:22.29 | sussudio | RobDollarAFK: stfuktnx |
| 03:22.31 | mousex | dpkg: maybe |
| 03:22.31 | dpkg | from memory, maybe is maybe, or the opposite of maybe |
| 03:22.32 | Guerin | unless they were good drinkers |
| 03:22.33 | initech | fooz: not missing anything, they're mostly boring presentations on how to set up samba |
| 03:22.40 | fooz | bleh samba |
| 03:22.42 | Antisoche | !info media-wiki |
| 03:22.50 | fooz | i used to know how to set up samba |
| 03:22.53 | helix | deadcat: you are slow. |
| 03:22.55 | fooz | but now it's all fancy and LDAPy |
| 03:22.58 | deadcat | helix: (= |
| 03:22.58 | Voyage002 | !info aureal |
| 03:22.59 | helix | slay is another good one |
| 03:23.02 | PerfDave | Right, I'm definitely going to bed now |
| 03:23.03 | Phated | initech: We get Linux Journal discounts! :) Well, once I join. |
| 03:23.06 | helix | slay sounds better than kill |
| 03:23.15 | fooz | helix, so it's like a unix nerd snuff fantasy? |
| 03:23.16 | deadcat | helix: killall (= |
| 03:23.17 | Phated | helix: Tentacle pr0n? (ask PerfDave for details) |
| 03:23.26 | phaedral | i like eviscerate, but it's way too many keystrokes |
| 03:23.28 | initech | slay was horribly broken a while back, I'll never use it again :) |
| 03:23.28 | helix | hentasuffield knows more about that |
| 03:23.32 | mousex | dpgk: quake 3 |
| 03:23.35 | Phated | HEhe. |
| 03:23.44 | helix | fooz: yeah |
| 03:23.49 | zignig | helix: hola |
| 03:23.53 | helix | zignig: yo! |
| 03:23.54 | fooz | helix scares me |
| 03:24.00 | PerfDave | Phated: Ai! I am pure and innocent. |
| 03:24.00 | fooz | helix, >:D |
| 03:24.03 | phaedral | away... but haven't mastered the /away thingie |
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| 03:24.14 | Phated | PerfDave: HAH! As pure a the driven yellow snow, SURE. |
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| 03:24.20 | Voyage002 | I can not find any information on recompiling Aureal 8830 sound drivers. I've done it once a few years ago but forgot how. Any chance someone can please help me? |
| 03:24.32 | mousex | !bye, chao, adios, ciao, hasta luego, sayonara. Hasta la vista, baby!!! |
| 03:24.39 | PerfDave | Phated: *cwies* |
| 03:24.40 | deadcat | !sex |
| 03:24.40 | dpkg | something you'll never get, geek. |
| 03:24.41 | sussudio | Voyage002: sourceforge. |
| 03:24.48 | Phated | PerfDave: *laughs in great disbelief* |
| 03:24.53 | Voyage002 | I'll check there again afk a sec |
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| 03:25.25 | Antisoche | cool tunes ... http://halofans.ytmnd.com/ |
| 03:25.39 | FieldySnuts | spam? |
| 03:25.43 | RobDollarAFK | !dpkg colonic |
| 03:25.52 | Antisoche | no spam |
| 03:25.57 | FieldySnuts | uh huh |
| 03:26.04 | Antisoche | Guerin: What is bad about webmin? |
| 03:26.06 | *** join/#debian ericb (~eric@modemcable023.136-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 03:26.12 | Phated | !webmin |
| 03:26.12 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
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| 03:26.14 | PerfDave | Phated: Just because I got you to recite ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn doesn't mean I'm some kind of tentacle sex freak. |
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| 03:26.20 | FieldySnuts | webmin comonnly screws up config files, nuff said |
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| 03:26.33 | Phated | PerfDave: The fact that you use oneko and like it means you are. |
| 03:26.51 | Guerin | Antisoche: webmin teaches bad administration habits |
| 03:27.04 | Guerin | Antisoche: quite apart from security issues, etc. |
| 03:27.13 | fooz | i'm a tentacle sex freak |
| 03:27.22 | Phated | Gah. |
| 03:27.24 | |QuaD| | if i use gnome and dual monitoring, is there a way to copy my "panels" from one monitor to the other (ie so they share the same panels) |
| 03:27.25 | helix | you just want to make it into a qotd |
| 03:27.31 | Phated | That was SO not suited for #debian. |
| 03:27.33 | RobDollarAFK | that dpkg is sure as hell one clever lady |
| 03:27.38 | PerfDave | Phated: Using oneko makes you a tentacle sex freak? |
| 03:27.39 | Phated | It's a BOY! |
| 03:27.43 | fooz | helix, yes |
| 03:27.44 | Phated | PerfDave: And liking it, yes. |
| 03:27.44 | FieldySnuts | @lart RobDollarAFK |
| 03:27.47 | helix | not always |
| 03:27.54 | Antisoche | it's an it |
| 03:27.57 | Phated | Oh true, it's lesbian. |
| 03:27.59 | PerfDave | Phated: Riiiight |
| 03:28.03 | FieldySnuts | Phated: heh |
| 03:28.08 | Phated | PerfDave: You actually LIKE it. *shudder* |
| 03:28.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 03:28.13 | RobDollarAFK | what does @lart mean? |
| 03:28.24 | RobDollarAFK | is that some new made up bit of nonsense speak? |
| 03:28.28 | PerfDave | Phated: I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about :) |
| 03:28.29 | Guerin | no |
| 03:28.32 | Phated | Luser attitute readjustment tool. |
| 03:28.33 | Antisoche | dict lart |
| 03:28.35 | deadcat | RobDollarAFK: make fun of. i think |
| 03:28.41 | RobDollarAFK | riiiight |
| 03:28.42 | Phated | It has been around since the dawn of the BOFH. |
| 03:28.59 | RobDollarAFK | i was around at the dawn of Bowsers castle |
| 03:29.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 714] by debhelper |
| 03:29.16 | Phated | Apparently you went into stasis for the duration of the computer. |
| 03:29.23 | SepheeBear | anyone have any experience getting rhythmbox to work with iTunes encoded aac files? |
| 03:29.37 | SepheeBear | it wont let me import them at all |
| 03:29.38 | Phated | SepheeBear: Ask PerfDave. (no, don't, really.) |
| 03:29.39 | PerfDave | SepheeBear: iTunes encoded, or iTunes *encrypted*? |
| 03:29.42 | Guerin | SepheeBear: hahaha, you bought music from itunes, sucka. |
| 03:29.43 | rich_ | yea, well I remember when on irc, one person would type "ping" and everyone else in the channel would type "pong" |
| 03:29.47 | Phated | Oooooo, too late. |
| 03:29.49 | helix | I think oneko screwed up my cursor. is this what you were talking about, Phated? |
| 03:29.55 | RobDollarAFK | no, i got electrocuted when i poured tang on my computer to cool it down |
| 03:30.00 | SepheeBear | just encoded not from the music store |
| 03:30.01 | FragOnly | does anyone know any physics simulator programs for linux? |
| 03:30.07 | PerfDave | SepheeBear: There are some aac players in non-free, dunno about getting rhythmbox to work with them. |
| 03:30.08 | Phated | helix: It becomes a non-pointer and an X after you close it, no? |
| 03:30.18 | PerfDave | SepheeBear: Just use Ogg Vorbis, it's shiny and nice and actually free :) |
| 03:30.19 | helix | yeah :( |
| 03:30.22 | Phated | helix: It did that to me. |
| 03:30.34 | RobDollarAFK | !dpkg physics |
| 03:30.34 | dpkg | well, physics is only for losers |
| 03:30.38 | RobDollarAFK | heh |
| 03:30.42 | helix | no way, physics is awesome |
| 03:30.43 | Phated | helix: Sucks, don't it? Now you have a GREAT desktop with a cursor that can't do fine-aiming. :) |
| 03:30.47 | Phated | Physics rules! |
| 03:30.55 | fooz | what the hell is oneko? |
| 03:31.00 | Phated | And it's my ticket to a cool poly. 'nuff said. |
| 03:31.02 | initech | there was a physicist on Art Bell last night |
| 03:31.06 | Phated | fooz: Install it and regret it. :) |
| 03:31.07 | RobDollarAFK | !dpkg oneko |
| 03:31.13 | rich_ | Math grads do physics. My father is a math grad, they aren't like us. They eat their young. |
| 03:31.14 | Phated | For the lond of god. |
| 03:31.15 | initech | talking all kinds of shit about time travel |
| 03:31.20 | Phated | !info oneko |
| 03:31.24 | SepheeBear | PerfDave: ogg vorbis is hot but I'd hate to have to re-encode 60gigs of aacs |
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| 03:31.25 | dpkg | oneko: (a cat chases the cursor (now a mouse) around the screen), section games, is optional. Version: 1.2.sakura.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
| 03:31.28 | Phated | There, |
| 03:31.33 | Phated | lameness encoded. |
| 03:31.35 | FragOnly | lol |
| 03:31.36 | fooz | oooo kitty |
| 03:31.41 | LU7DFV | Anyone here has a CMI onboard soundcard? |
| 03:31.46 | PerfDave | SepheeBear: That'll teach you to use AAC in the first place ;p |
| 03:31.47 | LU7DFV | (Hello all again) |
| 03:31.48 | RobDollarAFK | its a little cat or a dog |
| 03:31.55 | Phated | And it is pathetic. |
| 03:31.57 | PerfDave | SepheeBear: Write a script to do it for you :) |
| 03:31.59 | Guerin | LU7DFV: no, you're the only person ever to buy one |
| 03:32.02 | SepheeBear | PerfDave: true |
| 03:32.05 | RobDollarAFK | i have a microsoft on-screen soundcard |
| 03:32.23 | FieldySnuts | heh on-screen |
| 03:32.25 | RobDollarAFK | it makes the wind get in my dreams |
| 03:32.31 | Antisoche | I have herpes but you don't see me complainaing.. |
| 03:32.42 | FieldySnuts | er. |
| 03:32.42 | LU7DFV | Guerin: I didn't buy it. It came with the computer, and I didn't buy the computer either |
| 03:32.42 | LU7DFV | :-) |
| 03:32.42 | RobDollarAFK | !dpkg herpes |
| 03:32.45 | scarynetworkguy | SepheeBear: so install the AAC stuff for XMMS and quite fucking whining. |
| 03:32.49 | FieldySnuts | you're not using it right. |
| 03:32.51 | helix | RobDollarAFK: are you retarded? |
| 03:32.56 | RobDollarAFK | durr |
| 03:33.06 | Phated | helix: q him? :D |
| 03:33.08 | RobDollarAFK | i have a wheelchair, does that count? |
| 03:33.13 | Guerin | RobDollarAFK: no. |
| 03:33.17 | FieldySnuts | short yellow bus? |
| 03:33.29 | SepheeBear | scarynetworkguy: xmms is shit |
| 03:33.33 | RobDollarAFK | no a wheelchair |
| 03:33.34 | Phated | FieldySnuts: That was unasked for. |
| 03:33.39 | scarynetworkguy | SepheeBear: so what player do you fucking want to use? |
| 03:33.40 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 03:33.41 | Guerin | xmms is not shit |
| 03:33.42 | sussudio | [RobDollarAFK VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
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| 03:33.43 | Phated | SepheeBear: It plays aac. 'nuff said. |
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| 03:33.47 | Phated | Hah! |
| 03:33.48 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: big surprise. |
| 03:33.56 | helix | sussudio: heh |
| 03:33.57 | rich_ | I got a short bus, but its not yellow |
| 03:34.02 | RobDollarAFK | heh |
| 03:34.03 | Guerin | name me two music formats xmms can't play |
| 03:34.05 | trans_err | I just bought an FX5700 and it only works with the FOSS dricer |
| 03:34.10 | RobDollarAFK | what a silly fucker i am for using mirc |
| 03:34.12 | Phated | helix: You -do- know you started this. :) |
| 03:34.17 | phaedral | ooh ooh I know this one! |
| 03:34.23 | fooz | hehe, you silly fucker! |
| 03:34.25 | phaedral | accordian and...and... |
| 03:34.25 | Phated | Oh god not him again. |
| 03:34.27 | FieldySnuts | wrong. nvidia supports it |
| 03:34.31 | rich_ | In this state theres special rules for school buses and they are yelly, so the one they gave me is white and blue |
| 03:34.38 | rich_ | yellow |
| 03:34.53 | Antisoche | Are you Theta Xi ? |
| 03:34.53 | Guerin | rich_: it is short, though |
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| 03:35.27 | rich_ | Guerin Yes it definately is short. And I call the day before and it shows up at my house. Definately a short bus. |
| 03:35.41 | RobDollarAFK | [sussudio VERSION reply]: wheelchairLINUXchatX mangacrap1.2 |
| 03:35.47 | Antisoche | (( Theta Xi ... Fraternity ... symbol: Blue and White bus ... ThetaXi ... Teh taXi )) yeah, thought so ... |
| 03:35.55 | FieldySnuts | RobDollarAFK: you are not funny. |
| 03:36.02 | RobDollarAFK | that is funny admit it |
| 03:36.02 | Antisoche | er, the taxi ... anyway... |
| 03:36.04 | zog-vsl | has anybody got recent sarge/d-i working on SGI Visual Workstation 320 "PC"s? |
| 03:36.05 | Phated | helix: YEs, you can ban now! |
| 03:36.09 | FieldySnuts | must be sunday |
| 03:36.15 | RobDollarAFK | come on fuckos ban me im bored |
| 03:36.16 | Phated | FieldySnuts: It's fucking monday, damnit. |
| 03:36.20 | helix | jesus |
| 03:36.22 | FieldySnuts | not here!@ :( |
| 03:36.27 | sussudio | you can ban you can ban everything is under control you can ban you can ban doing it from pole to pole |
| 03:36.37 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yeah well get with the times! It's monday on the IDT. |
| 03:36.37 | rich_ | Antisoche haha No, Im just handicapped. Its a bus for gimps. |
| 03:36.40 | helix | stop agitating each other on purpose |
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| 03:36.57 | RobDollarAFK | i didnt start the smart arse stuff |
| 03:37.08 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: wee!! |
| 03:37.10 | helix | I remember I had this teacher once |
| 03:37.11 | Phated | helix: Technically, you did. :/ |
| 03:37.19 | helix | and whenever he'd talk to us about misbehaving |
| 03:37.21 | RobDollarAFK | technically, but not actually |
| 03:37.21 | initech | Guerin: yeah! |
| 03:37.25 | helix | someone would always go "but I didn't do anything!" |
| 03:37.26 | phaedral | nice koolaid dude |
| 03:37.34 | helix | and he'd be like, 'you know, it's like throwing a rock into a pack of wolves' |
| 03:37.38 | helix | think about that, ok? |
| 03:37.41 | helix | -_- |
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| 03:37.47 | simonrvn | killer koolaid is not nice |
| 03:37.54 | Phated | helix: OK, but I didn't do anything. :) |
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| 03:38.04 | fooz | I didn't do anything, either! |
| 03:38.05 | Guerin | now you must alll listen to Electric Ladyland |
| 03:38.13 | sussudio | helix: you could /lastlog RobDollarAFK and judge for yourself |
| 03:38.16 | Guerin | then you will be in my powah! |
| 03:38.16 | RobDollarAFK | you talking to me? we're not at school now, and we're not a pack of stinky skanky wolves |
| 03:38.22 | helix | none of you know how to act |
| 03:38.26 | fooz | Guerin, what is that? |
| 03:38.27 | helix | just because he's DUMBER doesn't mean anything |
| 03:38.31 | simonrvn | i'm always tripping. i don't need acid |
| 03:38.44 | simonrvn | RobDollarAFK: wtf? |
| 03:38.49 | fooz | i'm always tripping. simonrvn untied my shoelaces |
| 03:38.54 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:38.57 | simonrvn | RobDollarAFK: go to sleep, it's past your bed time |
| 03:39.14 | RobDollarAFK | what makes you think that |
| 03:39.21 | loke | acid.. |
| 03:39.27 | simonrvn | fooz: haven't learned to untie them yet? man, and i thought you were smarter ;P |
| 03:39.38 | RobDollarAFK | to be honest i just like going in linux rooms and talking shit, someone always gets annoyed |
| 03:39.41 | Phated | s/un/re/ :) |
| 03:39.50 | FieldySnuts | see? troll. now can we please get him dealt with. |
| 03:39.55 | Voyage002 | I've read on the compiling Aureal Driver's for linux.. And still can't seem to get it going.. Sussudio any chance you can help? |
| 03:39.56 | simonrvn | RobDollarAFK: talking shit gets you banned |
| 03:39.58 | fooz | RobDollarAFK, trolling is fun |
| 03:40.03 | RobDollarAFK | ohhhhh troll? |
| 03:40.04 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: not around here lately, it doesn't. |
| 03:40.04 | simonrvn | RobDollarAFK: bye now |
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| 03:40.05 | Phated | FieldySnuts: helix is a pacifist. *shrugs* |
| 03:40.12 | RobDollarAFK | cya |
| 03:40.14 | Phated | Guerin: TMI. |
| 03:40.16 | rich_ | RobDollarAFK Dont worry, you'll be back someday. |
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| 03:40.23 | fooz | Guerin, ...? |
| 03:40.28 | Guerin | fooz: ? |
| 03:40.29 | RobDollarAFK | !dpkg eggs |
| 03:40.30 | dpkg | eggs is, like, chicken abortions |
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| 03:40.39 | fooz | maybe i don't want to know either |
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| 03:40.46 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 03:40.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@host81-156-219-189.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] by helix |
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| 03:40.49 | simonrvn | no you don't |
| 03:40.54 | FieldySnuts | thanks. |
| 03:40.59 | simonrvn | helix: danke |
| 03:41.02 | Phated | Go helix. Wooo. |
| 03:41.03 | fooz | helix, do you program yet? |
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| 03:41.42 | fooz | helix, you need to start programming and release software so we can call it 'helixcode' :D |
| 03:41.43 | Voyage002 | Can anyone here help I need to get Aureal 8830 Vortex 2 Drivers working and have read tons but its all the same and can't seem to get it going |
| 03:41.47 | helix | shut up |
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| 03:41.53 | simonrvn | aaw |
| 03:41.57 | fooz | :/ |
| 03:42.07 | Phated | Ouch. |
| 03:42.07 | simonrvn | @comfort helix |
| 03:42.09 | ravenbird | There, there, helix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:42.17 | FieldySnuts | Phated: can I msg you? |
| 03:42.21 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Go on. |
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| 03:43.05 | simonrvn | SA: Action: silently tossed message: score=37.5 |
| 03:43.16 | ricochet | is there a way yo do an Internet install? my cd seems to be corrupt for some package |
| 03:43.36 | Phated | Sure there is. |
| 03:43.58 | Phated | Use the first CD, after installing base, choose to install the remaining packages through the net. :) |
| 03:44.16 | ricochet | its the base that wont install :-/ |
| 03:44.24 | laicosa | about rungetty, you have to run it from inittab to get it working |
| 03:44.38 | simonrvn | laicosa: yes |
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| 03:44.48 | Phated | ricochet: Ah. |
| 03:44.49 | laicosa | thx! |
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| 03:45.11 | Phated | Hm isn't there a way to install base from the net? |
| 03:45.21 | Phated | I know you can do it with the floppies... But through CD? |
| 03:45.28 | simonrvn | from the floppies. probably from the cd too |
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| 03:45.37 | nile | does Debian have "official" forums? |
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| 03:45.45 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 03:45.45 | Phated | Dunno, #debian count? |
| 03:45.48 | rich_ | nile mailing lists |
| 03:45.53 | nile | ah, okay |
| 03:46.01 | ricochet | Phated, it says it cant "download Tasksel" does "download" mean copy from cd? cause the net connection is up and active |
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| 03:46.20 | Phated | Gah. |
| 03:46.24 | rich_ | nile www.debian.org has mailing lists that are very good. |
| 03:46.26 | Gumby | !dpkg mozilla |
| 03:46.26 | dpkg | mozilla is probably 'rm -rf ~/.mozilla', if it closes on startup, or, better, move it somewhere else and diff it to see what the problem is. MOZaic kILLA. MOZtly KILLArs, or , or install 'mozilla-browser', or the best browser ever, or <REPLY> MOZILLA! Dun dun dun... AHHHHHH!!! |
| 03:46.27 | Phated | Tasksel, ew. But nevermind that. |
| 03:46.45 | Phated | WTF. |
| 03:46.46 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 03:46.52 | nile | how does Debian deal with kernels? Do I get the sources by using apt-get? or do I just get it from kernel.org and not use apt at all? |
| 03:46.53 | simonrvn | !factinfo mozilla |
| 03:46.53 | dpkg | mozilla -- last modified at Sat Aug 9 03:10:15 2003 by ZAmodeo!~guest@alb-24-92-54-36.nycap.rr.com; it has been requested 132 times, last by Gumby, 26s ago. |
| 03:47.00 | Phated | Fucking moron. |
| 03:47.00 | trans_err | I just bought an FX5700- and it only works with the FOSS driver- the binary driver crashes after about 10-60 seconds |
| 03:47.54 | Phated | ricochet: I don't think it means copy from CD... Try consulting an Install Manual? Can't recall the process now, sorry. |
| 03:47.55 | simonrvn | !mozilla =~ s/MOZaic kILLA. MOZtly KILLArs, or , or install 'mozilla-browser', or the best browser ever, or <REPLY> MOZILLA! Dun dun dun... AHHHHHH!!!// |
| 03:47.56 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 03:48.01 | LaptopAncient | nile: you can get the kernel sources in several ways. apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.9.whatever. or apt-get source kernel- if you want to make your own deb builds |
| 03:48.24 | Gumby | simonrvn: someone is asking me to do !dpkg eggs |
| 03:48.31 | Gumby | no idea why, but I assume its for evil |
| 03:48.32 | rich_ | nile either way. Debian kernels are slightly patched, but if you know how to compile your own kernel you dont really need the patches |
| 03:48.32 | Gumby | :) |
| 03:48.35 | Phated | Ah, THAT fucking moron. |
| 03:48.38 | Bugalugs | !mozilla |
| 03:48.38 | dpkg | well, mozilla is a web browser, see http://www.mozilla.org/, or make sure to set dpi to 96 to not have unreadable fonts |
| 03:48.48 | simonrvn | !forget eggs |
| 03:48.48 | dpkg | simonrvn: i forgot eggs |
| 03:48.49 | nile | thanks rich_ and LaptopAncient |
| 03:48.55 | Phated | Hm. |
| 03:49.01 | Phated | !listkeys mozilla |
| 03:49.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'mozilla' by key (15 shown; 51 total): mozilla java ;; mozilla animated gifs ;; 0.8.1 mozilla ;; mozilla 0.8 debs ;; mozilla mirror ;; mozillaoncd.com ;; mozilla on amiga ;; myth mozilla status ;; proper mozilla debs ;; mozilla print ;; robot101 mozilla debs ;; mozilla ;; mozilla-1.6 fix ;; sid mozilla java deb ;; mozilla-slink. |
| 03:49.08 | LaptopAncient | firefox! |
| 03:49.15 | Phated | Oh well. |
| 03:49.46 | nile | LaptopAncient, would it be okay to not use either commands and just get the sources from kernel.org? |
| 03:49.54 | LaptopAncient | sure |
| 03:49.58 | rich_ | nile no problem |
| 03:50.01 | LaptopAncient | its not the debian way, but it still works |
| 03:50.02 | nile | awesome =) thanks |
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| 03:50.10 | bloom | while you're cleaning up factoids, can you work on this one too? |
| 03:50.12 | bloom | !wwsr |
| 03:50.12 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when testing-security is online. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20041109.224400.af3fab35.en.html for current info. Ask me about <sarge pool>, wir, siyh. |
| 03:50.16 | bloom | !sarge pool |
| 03:50.16 | dpkg | [sarge pool] something I say you should ask me about, but I do not know the answer to. Could somebody who knows tell me? |
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| 03:50.37 | Phated | Interesting. |
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| 03:50.47 | simonrvn | !factinfo sarge pool |
| 03:50.47 | dpkg | sarge pool -- last modified at Wed Oct 27 16:05:32 2004 by bloom!~bloom@dcn239-72.dcn.davis.ca.us; it has been requested 42 times, last by bloom, 31s ago. |
| 03:50.48 | LaptopAncient | hey, anyone know if the new debian installer will have a rescue mode? |
| 03:51.04 | Phated | They always have rescue modes, don't they. |
| 03:51.08 | bloom | simonrvn: I fixed it from a gramatically confusing version of the same answer |
| 03:51.26 | simonrvn | ok |
| 03:51.32 | Phated | The installer pretty much functions as both an install and rescue. |
| 03:51.34 | LaptopAncient | the new debian installer cd's dont seem to. it isnt called rescue if there is one |
| 03:51.37 | scarynetworkguy | Yes they do. |
| 03:51.42 | simonrvn | same for the floppies |
| 03:51.45 | Phated | As always. |
| 03:51.56 | Phated | rescbf24 worked very nicely. :) |
| 03:52.00 | LaptopAncient | i used to do rescue root=/dev/hda |
| 03:52.17 | LaptopAncient | ahh. so they changed the name of the image |
| 03:52.22 | babadi | hey folks, I'm trying to use cups to print to a networked HP LaserJet 5100 printer from a Debian system, and am having some trouble... the printer is appearing in the list (at http://localhost:631) but I can't print a test page... in addition, when I try to print from Abiword, the printer's listed, but when I try to print to it, it says "The ppd file for the CUPS printer __ could not be loaded." any ideas? |
| 03:52.24 | Phated | Noo... |
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| 03:52.39 | Phated | AFAIK rescue root=/dev/whatever still works. |
| 03:52.44 | LaptopAncient | hmmm |
| 03:52.50 | LaptopAncient | i will try it again. |
| 03:52.54 | Phated | LaptopAncient: Try hitting F3 to see what options you have. |
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| 03:53.16 | LaptopAncient | yea, i looked around. i will look again. maybe i was drunk.. even though i dont drink |
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| 03:53.21 | brandonmcw | !dpkg eggs |
| 03:53.41 | babadi | also, for the life of me, I can't remember the name of the package to get mkfs.fat from, does anyone know? |
| 03:53.43 | simonrvn | hahaha |
| 03:53.49 | Phated | Quit being lame. |
| 03:53.56 | simonrvn | brandonmcw: FOAD |
| 03:53.59 | brandonmcw | lol |
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| 03:54.25 | Nurbs | !tell babadi about pdo |
| 03:54.29 | Nurbs | !tell babadi about apt-file |
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| 03:54.33 | Phated | simonrvn: Methinks he's not too thoroughly acquainted with acronyms and/or is an idiot. |
| 03:55.07 | bloom | babadi: methinks you're looking for mkfs.vfat |
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| 03:55.33 | babadi | bloom: heh, yeah, that's what I meant, sorry |
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| 03:55.59 | simonrvn | Phated: likely to be both |
| 03:56.07 | bloom | babadi: dosfstools, but next time you can use apt-file or packages.debian.org |
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| 03:56.28 | babadi | got it, thanks... knew it was something like that |
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| 03:56.43 | nile | for getting alsa to work with a 2.6.x kernel, all I would need would be the drivers in the kernel, alsa-base, and alsa-utils, right? |
| 03:56.57 | maestro[] | nile: right |
| 03:57.04 | nile | thanks maestro[] |
| 03:57.08 | maestro[] | np |
| 03:57.18 | xLobeznox | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.34 | xLobeznox | Command 'kcmshell 'k3bsetup2'' not found. |
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| 03:58.32 | Poncha | Guerin, i found why wget was hanging |
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| 03:58.53 | Phated | simonrvn: True. |
| 03:58.58 | Poncha | Guerin, the reason was http keepalive ... --no-http-keep-alive worked like a charm |
| 03:59.35 | budluva | anyone here use webmin? im tryin to figure out how to give access to /home/budluva so its writeable |
| 03:59.46 | budluva | writeable from my xp machine, through samba |
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| 04:05.27 | chealer | budluva: I do, do you have a share for homes yet? |
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| 04:06.08 | budluva | i think so |
| 04:06.12 | budluva | let me check |
| 04:06.29 | budluva | yes |
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| 04:08.41 | lsmith | hello all |
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| 04:09.34 | nile | how do I get to udev? do I just disable devfs in the kernel and apt-get install udev? |
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| 04:10.14 | dvs | nile: you don't have to disable devfs to use udev. |
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| 04:16.25 | nile | hm, when I try 'make menuconfig', I'm told I need 'ncurses-devel', but there's no such package? |
| 04:16.42 | Phated | nile: libncurses5-dev. |
| 04:16.47 | mlh407 | is there anyone in here from the UK, please PM me? |
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| 04:17.04 | mlh407 | is there anyone in here from the UK, please msg not PM me? |
| 04:17.16 | Phated | Can you say desperate? |
| 04:17.17 | nile | Phated, hm, that doesn't work either.. |
| 04:17.26 | Phated | nile: Hm. |
| 04:17.42 | dvs | Phated: Isn't it libc-dev? |
| 04:17.45 | bob2 | mlh407: this is not a pickup channel |
| 04:17.48 | nile | Phated, nevermind, typo.... sorry.. |
| 04:17.50 | dvs | Phated: or something like that? |
| 04:18.03 | bob2 | dvs: you also need libc6-dev installed |
| 04:18.04 | Phated | nile: There we go. :) |
| 04:18.10 | bob2 | nile: don't forget build-essential |
| 04:18.15 | mlh407 | bob2: I need someone to dial a phone number for me to see if it works, it is a VOIP test thing... I am NOT trying to pick people up |
| 04:18.22 | nile | bob2, build-essential? |
| 04:18.33 | Phated | nile: Things like gcc and stuff. |
| 04:18.33 | bob2 | nile: yes |
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| 04:19.14 | nile | hum... is it supposed to install gcc and stuff as dependencies, or something? |
| 04:19.46 | scarynetworkguy | nile: yeah pretty much that along with kernel-package should get you everything you need. |
| 04:19.51 | Phated | Yeah. |
| 04:20.16 | Phated | We know we should have a meta-package that pulls in build-essential and kernel-package and call it like kernel-tools or something. |
| 04:20.27 | Phated | And libncurses5-dev. |
| 04:20.33 | scarynetworkguy | Cool idea. |
| 04:20.44 | Phated | Yeah OK you go do it. :) |
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| 04:22.13 | LaptopAncient | i am so glad the condescending art of sarcasm hasnt died :) |
| 04:22.29 | Phated | It's not sarcasm per se. |
| 04:22.44 | Phated | It was an actual idea, but nevermind. |
| 04:23.11 | rich_ | I guess that makes it irony. |
| 04:23.31 | Phated | No, it was just an idea, sheesh. |
| 04:23.34 | Phated | :| |
| 04:23.42 | LaptopAncient | hehehe |
| 04:23.57 | rich_ | If you say something and mean the opposite, thats sarcasm, but if its an actual idea, thats irony :) |
| 04:24.10 | nile | why is it a bad idea, again? |
| 04:24.22 | Phated | It wasn't! It was an honest bloody idea. :/ |
| 04:24.30 | Phated | Oh wait. Damn. |
| 04:24.46 | Phated | Oh well, no pancakes for you. |
| 04:25.06 | LaptopAncient | haha |
| 04:25.15 | rich_ | new simpsons is on here |
| 04:25.24 | nvz | so what |
| 04:25.25 | Phated | Oo. |
| 04:25.27 | Bugalugs | what is trolling? |
| 04:25.27 | nvz | fauk em' |
| 04:25.32 | Phated | Hey I LIKE Simpsons. |
| 04:25.42 | nile | x.x |
| 04:25.43 | Phated | Bugalugs: Don't bother, we were being idiots. :) |
| 04:25.46 | Phated | nile: :P |
| 04:25.57 | nvz | !nvzsmite Phated |
| 04:26.03 | nvz | who asked you anyhow ? |
| 04:26.04 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.25 | Phated | Ooo I LOVE those microbes! |
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| 04:28.12 | Phated | Well gee don't all die at once. |
| 04:28.26 | az[a]zel | yay my uni finally has wireless up by my desk |
| 04:28.35 | az[a]zel | ipsec isn't working though |
| 04:28.47 | az[a]zel | so a big hello to everybody running wireless network sniffes |
| 04:28.48 | nvz | Phated: debstats confirms it.. you talk alot |
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| 04:29.10 | nvz | Phated: so just seems like we are dead |
| 04:29.18 | Phated | nvz: :P |
| 04:29.26 | Phated | nvz: Where am I now, #3? |
| 04:29.46 | exhaust | how do you configure sound? i need to use snd_intel8x0 driver? |
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| 04:29.53 | nvz | Phated: yeah by lines, you are ahead of me by like 2000 or so |
| 04:30.10 | nvz | Phated: but in words, I still got you by like 4000 or more |
| 04:30.30 | Phated | nvz: Meh you use longer sentences and shorter words. I summarise. :) |
| 04:30.47 | Phated | exhaust: modprobe that module. :) |
| 04:31.43 | nvz | Phated: mt\y da\\~ PC shut oof |
| 04:31.48 | nvz | heh.. oops |
| 04:31.57 | nvz | got to login again, its rebooted |
| 04:31.59 | Phated | What the.... :P |
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| 04:32.47 | nvz | damn Sopaq Vasario.. it just shuts off whenever it wants to |
| 04:33.11 | exhaust | i have the right drivers compiled into kernel but sound still doesn't work |
| 04:33.12 | nile | hm.. removing the symlinks from /etc/rc?.d effectively disables that portion of the bootup, right? |
| 04:34.17 | rich_ | nile if they start with an S they get started if they start with an K they get stopped |
| 04:34.26 | sussudio | in soviet russia, docs read you. |
| 04:34.38 | sussudio | nile: man update-rc.d |
| 04:34.43 | nile | okay |
| 04:35.04 | nile | heh.. that makes things easier |
| 04:35.13 | nvz | I was watchin 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back' on tv earlier, and I thought to myself . o O ( In Soviet Russia, the monkey spanks you! ) |
| 04:35.23 | sussudio | nvz: indeed it does. |
| 04:35.42 | Phated | Dear me. |
| 04:35.44 | exhaust | how can i test my sound? |
| 04:35.53 | Phated | cat /vmlinuz /dev/dsp. :) |
| 04:35.55 | sussudio | exhaust: say "AAH" |
| 04:37.16 | exhaust | i install xmms but i get xlib:connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol selected CRItICAL : unable to open display |
| 04:37.16 | kreg | is there a way to say chmod 755 -R archive/ for directorys only and not files? |
| 04:38.09 | exhaust | cat /vmlinuz /dev/dsp. gives me a bunch of beeps |
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| 04:38.33 | Justin | !tell exhaust about doesn't work |
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| 04:40.00 | nvz | exhaust: heh, why would you do such a thing |
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| 04:40.12 | nvz | exhaust: and what did you expect it to do |
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| 04:41.10 | exhaust | just wanted to see what would happen |
| 04:41.39 | nvz | exhaust: well thats what happens... |
| 04:43.02 | nvz | ah that was Phated' genius Idea |
| 04:43.07 | Phated | What? |
| 04:43.17 | sussudio | !what |
| 04:43.17 | dpkg | This! |
| 04:43.21 | Phated | Ah OK. |
| 04:43.30 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.39 | Phated | Oh. Now why did he TRY it? :) |
| 04:43.44 | exhaust | i just did apt-get install alsa |
| 04:43.47 | sussudio | !win Phated |
| 04:43.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, Phated! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 04:43.56 | nvz | hah! go to cuba! |
| 04:43.59 | Phated | But yeah if you get crap noise it means it works. :) |
| 04:44.05 | nvz | Phated: nope |
| 04:44.17 | Phated | Ah too bad then. :) |
| 04:44.25 | Phated | Justin: ah thanks. |
| 04:44.28 | Phated | nvz: Meh. |
| 04:44.30 | nvz | Phated: that will just cause a terminal bell which really has nothing to do with the sound |
| 04:44.33 | holycow | just out of curiosity, anyone here do linux from scratch stuff? |
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| 04:44.47 | Phated | nvz: Yeah my bad I left out the > that was so kindly donated by Justin. |
| 04:45.10 | Phated | nvz: Anyways I'm going to get groceris have fun. |
| 04:45.11 | nvz | Phated: too bad they dont import >'s in cuba |
| 04:45.23 | nvz | Phated: in cuba, the groceris get you |
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| 04:47.19 | nvz | holycow: If it doesnt itch, dont scratch it. |
| 04:47.24 | nvz | or something |
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| 04:48.28 | sussudio | !scratch nvz |
| 04:48.28 | sussudio | :-| |
| 04:48.40 | sussudio | dpkg: stop being laggy |
| 04:48.40 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, sussudio |
| 04:48.45 | nvz | !badger sussudio |
| 04:48.45 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 04:49.12 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.47 | sussudio | !seen g4lt |
| 04:49.47 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 39d 4h 13m 6s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 04:50.02 | sussudio | bastard. |
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| 04:51.21 | nvz | blasphmy or somethingk |
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| 04:53.45 | GrayThunder | i have a computer that seems to be having hardware problems. The thing just hangs after a period of time. are there any debian packages that stress test the HDW? |
| 04:54.54 | sussudio | GrayThunder: running gnome. |
| 04:55.19 | LaptopAncient | haha |
| 04:55.19 | GrayThunder | sussudio: nope no X at this time |
| 04:55.29 | LaptopAncient | GrayThunder: i would start with memtest86 |
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| 04:57.44 | evil | Hey kreg was geht????????? |
| 04:57.56 | kreg | sorry |
| 04:58.20 | evil | Hey kreg whats going on????? |
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| 04:58.36 | kreg | i left my irc client running while playgin with iptalbes |
| 04:58.54 | kreg | and i type like i'm cross eyed |
| 04:59.28 | evil | kreg,are you abot? |
| 04:59.54 | kreg | yes |
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| 05:00.15 | evil | oh ok bye |
| 05:00.17 | GrayThunder | sussudio: altho now that you mention it, my work computer is running gnome and IT does hang |
| 05:00.36 | LaptopAncient | haha |
| 05:01.03 | GrayThunder | LaptopAncient: why haha? |
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| 05:03.49 | GrayThunder | is there something wrong with gnome? |
| 05:03.53 | LaptopAncient | GrayThunder: ... try memtest86 and let it run overnight and see if there are any errors on the bottom part of the screen |
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| 05:04.19 | docgnome | Is there a program that will play wmv files? |
| 05:04.39 | LaptopAncient | mplayer |
| 05:04.44 | LaptopAncient | xine |
| 05:04.46 | laicosa | xine works too |
| 05:04.51 | LaptopAncient | jinx |
| 05:04.52 | LaptopAncient | i win |
| 05:04.53 | docgnome | exit |
| 05:04.55 | docgnome | ack |
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| 05:09.56 | nile | is there a reason I need discover? |
| 05:10.20 | bob2 | to load modules for you |
| 05:11.12 | nile | and what if I have modules disabled? |
| 05:11.27 | paulproteus | All modules? Like, you recompiled your own super-monolithic kernel? |
| 05:11.34 | nile | heh.. yeah |
| 05:11.42 | bob2 | then you don't need it |
| 05:11.44 | paulproteus | Well, then, I'd tell you you're silly. ;) |
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| 05:11.51 | bob2 | paulproteus: find the firefox problem yesterday? |
| 05:11.59 | nile | paulproteus, why would I be silly? |
| 05:12.32 | bob2 | lots of work, little gain |
| 05:12.37 | bob2 | loss of flexibility |
| 05:12.56 | bob2 | omg these subway cookies are good |
| 05:13.04 | paulproteus | :), bob2 |
| 05:13.15 | babadi | hi, I was just wondering if there are any known issues with Debian testing and smbfs? I'm experiencing this issue in which, if I use smbmount to mount a Samba share that's already mounted, a kernel "oops" occurs and the system becomes completely unstable, and freezes when I try to shut down, forcing me to hit the reset button |
| 05:13.16 | paulproteus | A friend just made some cookies here. Chocolate chip and walnut and gooey. Yum. :) |
| 05:13.19 | bob2 | not too soft, not too crunchy |
| 05:13.27 | paulproteus | (And fresh.) |
| 05:13.30 | bob2 | a little cakey, even, but perfect nonetheless |
| 05:13.49 | bob2 | babadi: ouch, that sounds like a kernel bug. which version are you using? |
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| 05:14.01 | paulproteus | bob2: I downloaded a tgz from mozilla.org and, lo and behold, on WIndows, ^J gets Page Info, but on Linux ^J and ^K both do search. |
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| 05:14.15 | paulproteus | I can't tell at what point what was the case, but so long as I always use ^K on both platforms, I won't confuse myself. |
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| 05:14.34 | bob2 | paulproteus: hm, it's changed, now you mention it, I'm sure old versions let me use ctrl-k to line a line in a text box |
| 05:14.39 | bob2 | at least on gmail with 0.93 |
| 05:14.58 | LU7DFV | What could it be that all my keyboard is working under X except the "grater than/less than" key? |
| 05:15.12 | LU7DFV | I have the layout well defined in Xconfig |
| 05:15.18 | MerlinCorey | do , and . work, LU7DFV? |
| 05:15.21 | Nyle | maybe its the keyboard |
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| 05:15.37 | LU7DFV | MerlinCorey: Yes |
| 05:15.43 | MerlinCorey | LU7DFV: show me |
| 05:15.54 | LU7DFV | Oh, I forget to say... I have a spanish keyboard |
| 05:15.59 | LU7DFV | MerlinCorey: , . |
| 05:16.00 | Justin | babadi: do you know Dick McCarthy? he never responds to my emails |
| 05:16.00 | MerlinCorey | oh |
| 05:16.05 | MerlinCorey | then I have no idea how it's laid out |
| 05:16.14 | chealer | !oops |
| 05:16.14 | dpkg | somebody said oops was "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>" |
| 05:16.24 | babadi | bob2: it's Debian testing, I downloaded yesterday's current testing ISO and that's what I installed from |
| 05:16.31 | LU7DFV | The strange thing is that in console it does work, and I've edited Xconfig to reflect the es layout |
| 05:16.35 | zog-vsl | has anybody got recent sarge/d-i working on SGI Visual Workstation 320 "PC"s? |
| 05:16.37 | chealer | what's a kernel oops |
| 05:16.38 | bob2 | babadi: ok, does sound like a bug |
| 05:17.09 | Nyle | LU7DFV, you need to reset the md5 on the x config file |
| 05:17.12 | babadi | bob2: in the kernel, not samba? |
| 05:17.20 | Nyle | look in the comments up top, looks like its not reading the settings maybe |
| 05:17.28 | Nyle | that might be it, if you modified it manually |
| 05:17.43 | bob2 | babadi: smbfs is different to samba |
| 05:17.58 | bob2 | babadi: tho I think tridge originally wrote smbfs, too |
| 05:18.28 | LU7DFV | Nyle: Oh yes, I modified it manually... thanks |
| 05:18.51 | Nyle | LU7DFV, no problem, just follow the instructions in the very first comments in your X config file |
| 05:18.56 | Justin | babadi: fine, don't talk to me :-P |
| 05:19.10 | LU7DFV | Nyle: I'm reading it :-) |
| 05:19.15 | babadi | bob2, I see... but you think the problem is occurring in the kernel? |
| 05:19.31 | babadi | Justin: sorry.. nope, never heard of him |
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| 05:19.53 | bob2 | babadi: which architecture are you on? |
| 05:20.12 | babadi | bob2, Intel... it's a 1GHz P3 |
| 05:20.20 | bob2 | babadi: ah |
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| 05:21.17 | bob2 | babadi: what does "uname -r" print out? |
| 05:21.31 | babadi | bob2, 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 05:22.25 | FragOnly | im looking for a program to do screencaptures in movie format (records your entire screen) |
| 05:22.59 | Nyle | FragOnly, gimp perhaps |
| 05:23.14 | FragOnly | gimp does like 1 screen shot...? |
| 05:23.31 | Nyle | I don't know if it features recording or not |
| 05:23.47 | FragOnly | i dont think it does |
| 05:23.54 | Nyle | search google |
| 05:23.59 | paulproteus | FragOnly: I've been looking for that, too. The best I've found is a script that dumps frames at a predictable interval that you can use mplayer to assemble into a movie. |
| 05:24.30 | Justin | paulproteus: the many programs found on google and or freshmeat work much better |
| 05:24.47 | paulproteus | I haven't found anything like that. /me hits freshmeat |
| 05:24.57 | paulproteus | FragOnly: If you find something, do please say so in-channel. |
| 05:25.16 | FragOnly | paulproteus, sure, i've been looking for awile :( |
| 05:26.30 | Justin | FragOnly: i doubt that, considering a simple search returns quite a few programs |
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| 05:28.03 | FragOnly | Justin, doubt all you want |
| 05:28.24 | Justin | FragOnly: lie all you want |
| 05:28.25 | babadi | bob2, anything else I can check? |
| 05:28.35 | Justin | http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+screen+capture |
| 05:28.48 | paulproteus | Justin: I, too, have been looking, and find nothing to record movies. |
| 05:28.48 | Justin | wow, look at that first result, and I had to search sooooo hard |
| 05:29.43 | FragOnly | Justin, whos to say i didnt google before the 18th? |
| 05:29.52 | Nyle | FragOnly, maybe you could use one of the numerous desktop recording software for windows and run it under wine |
| 05:29.58 | Justin | Today's Linux screen capture technology |
| 05:30.00 | Justin | Tuesday August 17, 2004 (04:00 PM GMT) |
| 05:30.07 | paulproteus | Justin: Ah, thanks, that linuxdevcenter.com link is the multiple-import hack I was talking about. |
| 05:30.11 | FragOnly | Nyle, i've thought of that |
| 05:30.16 | paulproteus | I thought it was on newsforge, so I was crawling through that. |
| 05:30.26 | paulproteus | http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/03/04/screen_capture_movies.html , FragOnly, is what I mean |
| 05:31.34 | Justin | http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=screen+capture |
| 05:31.44 | Justin | gee, that search was hard too |
| 05:31.59 | holycow | how do i setup environment var CC to a working compiler ... i just installed gcc.2.95 so i would do export CC=? |
| 05:31.59 | Nyle | lol |
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| 05:32.53 | holycow | oh /usr/bin |
| 05:32.54 | holycow | nm |
| 05:32.58 | Nyle | holycow, man bash |
| 05:33.12 | PoonJ | hey guys...anyone here know which wireless 54g chipsets are supported well? |
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| 05:33.47 | Justin | FragOnly: so tell me, if you weren't just lying about actually searching first, what did you try searching for that found no results? |
| 05:33.55 | zignig | bleh! |
| 05:34.11 | Nyle | Justin no point in going on about it |
| 05:34.16 | FragOnly | Justin, well if you'd stop and think i could have googled several other names |
| 05:34.27 | FragOnly | further more most of those dont work acuratly |
| 05:34.43 | FragOnly | you seriously think i didnt try a simple google? |
| 05:34.49 | Justin | yes |
| 05:34.57 | Nyle | and does it matter? |
| 05:35.00 | Nyle | ffs |
| 05:35.02 | FragOnly | Nyle, not to me |
| 05:35.31 | paulproteus | Justin: For what it's worth, I was trying, too. You can ask bob2, and notice that I usually act in good faith in this channel. I thank you for your help, but I wish you wouldn't allege bad intent. |
| 05:35.35 | Nyle | FragOnly, what are you trying to record anyway |
| 05:35.51 | FragOnly | Nyle, tutorials for blender :) |
| 05:36.02 | Justin | FragOnly: if you did in fact do a search first, and found that those other programs did not work acurately, your question would have mentioned that |
| 05:36.25 | Nyle | Justin, man, let it go |
| 05:36.36 | FragOnly | Justin, no, i asked if any one here knew of screen capturer programs |
| 05:36.44 | Justin | Nyle: just trying to understand the average liar better |
| 05:36.46 | FragOnly | which implies strongly a personal use at least |
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| 05:37.14 | paulproteus | Justin: Did you read my message? |
| 05:37.16 | Nyle | Justin, don't, its a waste of time, you should know that, unless you are trying to entertain yourself, in which case, do so by all means :) |
| 05:37.29 | elPepo | hi friends. |
| 05:37.50 | paulproteus | Hi, elPepo. What's up? |
| 05:37.51 | Justin | Nyle: well it is quite entertaining, but I really would like to know what drives someone to not bother to search first, and then lie about it |
| 05:38.11 | paulproteus | Justin: Did you read my message? |
| 05:38.26 | elPepo | i can not install J2EE in my SArge |
| 05:38.35 | Justin | paulproteus: what is the relevence of your message? |
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| 05:38.53 | paulproteus | It shows that someone could have been acting in good faith and arrived at the same help-I-can't-find-it conclusion he was at. |
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| 05:39.05 | FragOnly | Justin, i told you i had previously googled and negated most of those utilities for one reason or another... you can read right? |
| 05:39.11 | paulproteus | elPepo: j2EE? Is that like J2SE? |
| 05:39.49 | Justin | FragOnly: but for some reason, your question did not bother to include that information |
| 05:39.52 | elPepo | yes... j2se is ok, but j2ee no |
| 05:40.21 | Gumby | lol, man. I just drove 20 minutes through the city on the way to my gf's place and I decided that I'd put kismet on and see what it picked up. 557 Networks found |
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| 05:40.40 | FragOnly | Justin, my question didnt say "go google for me" either, i asked if you "knew" of a program, not if you "knew the basics of googling" |
| 05:40.41 | Phated | FragOnly: Screen cap? scrot. |
| 05:40.47 | Justin | usually people say something like "I'm looking for a program that does _foo_, but not _bar_ or _baz_ because those aren't adequate" thus letting people not waste time suggesting _bar_ or _baz_ |
| 05:41.16 | Phated | And once again a suggestion burns in the flamewar. |
| 05:41.27 | FragOnly | Justin, only in a fairy tale world |
| 05:41.33 | Phated | Good god! |
| 05:41.34 | Nyle | Justin, I couldn't tell ya |
| 05:41.34 | Nyle | ever since I found man pages in html I got everything I need |
| 05:41.34 | Nyle | pretty much |
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| 05:41.39 | Phated | FragOnly: Try scrot. |
| 05:41.40 | Nyle | wow two minutes of total silence |
| 05:41.43 | paulproteus | Justin: He did. *groan* |
| 05:41.48 | Nyle | oh |
| 05:41.48 | paulproteus | elPepo: I'm afraid I don't know what J2EE is. |
| 05:41.52 | Nyle | not silence, I was lagging like a mofo |
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| 05:41.57 | Phated | Nyle: Yep. |
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| 05:42.15 | FragOnly | phaethon, i tried something like it but it has a bigger over head :| |
| 05:42.25 | FragOnly | phated** |
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| 05:43.00 | Phated | FragOnly: It takes two seconds to capture a screenshot and drops a .png in your homedir. Sounds perfect to me, but what do I know. All right then, have a good day. |
| 05:43.01 | nile | hm, why aren't there any mplayer packages? |
| 05:43.05 | magik | how do i make my ntfs partition readable to normal users? i have in fstab: /dev/hda1 /mnt/win auto noatime,ro,user 0 1 |
| 05:43.07 | Nyle | nile? |
| 05:43.10 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:43.12 | nile | nile! |
| 05:43.15 | Phated | Someone pass the popcorn, I want to watch the rest of the flamewar. |
| 05:43.15 | nile | nyle >:O |
| 05:43.18 | Nyle | Nyle! |
| 05:43.24 | Phated | nile: /msg dpkg mplayer. :) |
| 05:43.25 | Nyle | whats up dude! |
| 05:43.37 | FragOnly | Phated, i'll look into configuring it maybe i can boost its speed :) |
| 05:43.40 | imad | hello folks. I have a binary module (.o file). Its loadable using insmod command. I dont want to use a kernel with Loadable modules option enabled. Is there a way of actually compiling this driver with the kernel? |
| 05:43.44 | rich_ | nile /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 05:43.53 | nile | got it |
| 05:43.54 | bob2 | imad: no |
| 05:44.00 | dondelelcaro | FragOnly: if you really care about speed, change your resolution, and then just use import in a while loop. |
| 05:44.04 | bob2 | imad: buy hardware with proper linux drivers in future |
| 05:44.05 | Phated | FragOnly: Two seconds is all I'm saying. :) |
| 05:44.09 | Guerin | FragOnly: import has a multi-screenshot mode; you can tie the output files together into a mng or a movie of some kind |
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| 05:44.37 | paulproteus | magik: read "man mount" and try the options for the vfat module, or the ntfs module. |
| 05:44.47 | FragOnly | Guerin, yea thta might work :) |
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| 05:44.51 | paulproteus | If it's just one user, then try user=his_username or uid=his_username . |
| 05:44.52 | Nyle | FragOnly, do you have a video camera? :) |
| 05:44.59 | FragOnly | Nyle, no... :( |
| 05:45.04 | nile | I assume mplayer isn't in debian because of proprietary codec? |
| 05:45.05 | magik | ok thanks ;) |
| 05:45.10 | nile | codecs* |
| 05:45.12 | Nyle | you can get one for less than a 100 bucks |
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| 05:45.20 | Guerin | nile: yeah, patent encumbrance issues |
| 05:45.22 | dondelelcaro | !mplayer legal saga |
| 05:45.22 | dpkg | Mplayer is currently not in Debian because the legal saga surrounding its codebase has not been concluded. Unfortunatly, upstream has not done due dilligence with the licensing of their codebase, creating a need for ftpmaster or a representative to audit the codebase before inclusion in Debian. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/thread/20030125.063402.a3a08167.en.html and http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/2 |
| 05:45.41 | Justin | Nyle: what also works is using google and downloading a screen capture program :-) |
| 05:45.46 | laicosa_ | does anyone have an example of how to use kbdrequest in the inittab ? |
| 05:45.53 | FragOnly | mplayer isnt in debian :| |
| 05:46.03 | Nyle | Justin, try "Screen Recording" + Linux |
| 05:46.08 | Nyle | or some variations of that |
| 05:46.09 | dondelelcaro | and no, patents aren't the real issue. |
| 05:46.09 | phaethon | flamewar? Over what? |
| 05:46.20 | Nyle | also, learn the proper searching syntax for google |
| 05:46.22 | bob2 | FragOnly: but it's packaged and easily downloaded |
| 05:46.24 | Justin | Nyle: I already mentioned 3 searches that find numerous programs :-) |
| 05:46.25 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm, so I ssee. |
| 05:46.27 | Nyle | it is a great help, to refine your searches |
| 05:46.35 | magik | paulproteus, it still says permission denied... i don't have to restart or anything do i? |
| 05:46.44 | paulproteus | magik: You'll need to unmount it and remount it. |
| 05:46.52 | FragOnly | bob2, i got it off apt ;) |
| 05:47.00 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, at least, it's not the major issue... no doubt any patents that are being actively enforced can be pretty trivially removed from the codebase... |
| 05:47.02 | magik | paulproteus, ok then, thanks |
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| 05:47.09 | TekEmperor | What's the best way to change my resolution in debian? |
| 05:47.11 | Nyle | FragOnly, also check on sourcefourge, see if they have any projects going like this |
| 05:47.13 | vkd | how do you leave people memos? is there an faq? |
| 05:47.23 | TekEmperor | vi /etc/XF86Config? |
| 05:47.25 | The_Vulture | vkd: /memoserv help |
| 05:47.32 | vkd | The_Vulture, ah, thank you |
| 05:47.37 | Nyle | TekEmperor, ctrl + alt + +/- (plus or minus key) |
| 05:47.38 | phaethon | vkd, /msg MemoServ help |
| 05:47.39 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, but the fact that they've not done their homework means that d.o can't be sure the code isn't encumbered or otherwise infringing. |
| 05:47.47 | TekEmperor | Nyle, I'd like this to be a permanent change. |
| 05:48.04 | vkd | phaethon, thanks... couldn't fine MemoServ (only NickServ and ChanServ) |
| 05:48.14 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, no one can really do the homework... the main concern so far is just normal copyright issues... |
| 05:48.30 | FragOnly | Nyle, sure :) |
| 05:48.43 | Nyle | TekEmperor, dpkg-reconfigure and go through it and pick the wanted resolutions near the end of the setup, or modify your XF86Config(-4) file and reset the md5 on it |
| 05:49.07 | TekEmperor | how do I reset the md5? |
| 05:49.07 | Nyle | TekEmperor, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:49.16 | Nyle | try that first |
| 05:49.18 | TekEmperor | Sounds good, thanks. |
| 05:49.29 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: heh, the "homework" metaphor is even used in that thread... |
| 05:49.34 | dondelelcaro | !x md5 |
| 05:49.34 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86". This will lose any manual changes you've made. |
| 05:49.47 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah... |
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| 05:50.54 | TekEmperor | Wow, this 2.6 kernel is much better with my expert mouse. |
| 05:51.06 | Guerin | expert mouse? |
| 05:51.17 | Guerin | what, does it have a turbo or something? |
| 05:51.21 | phaethon | 2.6 works better on my laptop; 2.4 works better on my desktop. Go fig :\ |
| 05:51.24 | TekEmperor | Guerin, it's a big trackball that kensington made. |
| 05:51.24 | Nyle | evenin' Guerin |
| 05:51.28 | Phated | I take it it's better than my humble PS/2, |
| 05:51.35 | Guerin | my mouse is fucked |
| 05:51.48 | TekEmperor | Phated, this is a ps/2. |
| 05:51.48 | Phated | Poor mousey. |
| 05:51.48 | Guerin | it middleclicks randomly sometimes |
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| 05:51.56 | Phated | TekEmperor: I'm sorry, I meant two-button ps/2 from HP. |
| 05:52.10 | Guerin | so if I ever paste something crazy into #debian, you'll know who to blame |
| 05:52.15 | Nyle | Phated, you've never double clicked your mouse!? |
| 05:52.18 | Guerin | and yes, I will get a new one, when I cba |
| 05:52.19 | Nyle | :D |
| 05:52.29 | TekEmperor | Phated, okay this one has 4 buttons and the trackball is the size of a billiard ball. |
| 05:52.30 | Phated | Guerin: Not just your fingers running wild? Arthritis can creep up like that once the age sets in you know. |
| 05:52.42 | Phated | TekEmperor: Ah, better than my humble 2-button then. |
| 05:52.51 | Guerin | Phated: no, I have a fucked keyboard and a fucked mouse. seriously. |
| 05:53.03 | Phated | Guerin: All right, all right, I was teasing. |
| 05:53.04 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I doubt you can beat my world famous ~300 line email paste of a few months ago. |
| 05:53.12 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 05:53.17 | Phated | Guerin: Beat it! :D |
| 05:53.24 | Phated | Uhm... You know what I meant. |
| 05:53.34 | Guerin | no, I don't believe I can beat that |
| 05:53.37 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah..... |
| 05:53.42 | Phated | No one can, huh? |
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| 05:54.26 | helix | scarynetworkguy: where did you paste that? |
| 05:54.53 | Phated | helix: If you don't recall +q'ing him for it, not here. :) |
| 05:55.03 | Nyle | is there another gnutella client besides gtk-guntella |
| 05:55.06 | helix | well, I could've been gone |
| 05:55.16 | Phated | Always possible. |
| 05:55.38 | scarynetworkguy | helix: here. It was a few months ago. |
| 05:55.40 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: was it a saucy email? |
| 05:55.44 | helix | ah |
| 05:55.48 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: work related. |
| 05:55.55 | Guerin | ah, boring |
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| 05:56.10 | scarynetworkguy | I'm trying to remember who gave me a +q for it. |
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| 05:56.40 | Phated | Well not helix. :D |
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| 05:56.55 | helix | yeah, wasn't me |
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| 05:57.29 | Phated | OK so it wasn't helix. Maybe it was bob2. |
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| 05:57.51 | scarynetworkguy | could have been. It was the middle of the day .us time. |
| 05:57.58 | helix | yeah, so I was asleep |
| 05:58.22 | Phated | Ah. |
| 05:58.30 | Phated | The ever-nocturnal helix. |
| 05:58.31 | TekEmperor | I love the reboot command |
| 05:58.38 | TekEmperor | saves so much time. |
| 05:59.03 | Phated | shutdown -r now too long to type? |
| 05:59.09 | TekEmperor | Yup. |
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| 05:59.18 | Phated | Good god. |
| 05:59.23 | TekEmperor | It's the spacebar. |
| 05:59.24 | Phated | And you're on IRC? |
| 05:59.27 | TekEmperor | Takes too long to hit. |
| 05:59.34 | Phated | WellIdon'tseeyoutypinglikethis. |
| 05:59.51 | TekEmperor | Yeah, but you also didn't see me reboot this machine. |
| 05:59.55 | TekEmperor | I rebooted another one. |
| 06:00.12 | TekEmperor | LoL. |
| 06:00.30 | TekEmperor | I painted the kerboard black, and it's all annoying to use. |
| 06:00.55 | TekEmperor | I mean I know where all the keys are and everything, just has an annoying feel to it now. |
| 06:00.58 | magik | should have used vinyl dye |
| 06:01.02 | Phated | I would -think- you would at least have little blanco letters... |
| 06:01.06 | TekEmperor | magik, where can I get that? |
| 06:01.21 | TekEmperor | Phated, letters are for the week. |
| 06:01.25 | magik | ummm, i think lyncraft and other places like that |
| 06:01.31 | Phated | TekEmperor: Spelling too, apparently. |
| 06:01.37 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: A nice sharp one like my pink mechanical. |
| 06:01.44 | magik | places that sell all arts and crafts sorta shit |
| 06:01.46 | TekEmperor | weak |
| 06:01.54 | Gumby | any kismet users in here? trying to figure out how to scroll up and down when the hosts found are more than can display on one screen |
| 06:01.59 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeppers. |
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| 06:02.17 | Phated | TekEmperor: Should have spray-painted, better feel when it's dry. |
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| 06:03.28 | TekEmperor | Phated, vinyl dye would have done it. |
| 06:03.39 | Phated | TekEmperor: Yes but you didn't use vinyl dye. :) |
| 06:04.04 | Phated | Or acrylic paints, those are cool. |
| 06:04.15 | Phated | And for some serious tactile feedback, fingerpaints! |
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| 06:05.26 | TekEmperor | Phated, I have two more model m keybaords to play with, but I want to make sure I don't screw up again. |
| 06:05.39 | Phated | TekEmperor: Spraypaints are cool. |
| 06:05.43 | Phated | Nice even layer. |
| 06:05.51 | Phated | You should check #graffiti. :) |
| 06:06.04 | sussudio | badgerpaint. |
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| 06:06.24 | Phated | I have yet to see badgerpaint. |
| 06:06.36 | sussudio | you dip a few badgers in paint, then let them loose in the house. |
| 06:07.01 | Phated | Aaahhh... |
| 06:07.07 | scarynetworkguy | That's the best idea I've heard all day. |
| 06:07.15 | sussudio | it works with raccoons too. |
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| 06:08.51 | sussudio | 5400rpm + 7200rpm in 1 pc case = unholy vibrations |
| 06:09.24 | Phated | Fun, |
| 06:09.26 | Phated | . |
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| 06:09.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah works with kids on sugar too. |
| 06:10.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I'll have to try it sometime. |
| 06:10.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hehe. |
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| 06:10.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: hehe. |
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| 06:21.24 | yhg | Okay, having a very weird problem here... Sound only works for root, so I try to add my user to the audio group as root with 'adduser yhg audio'. It says it's done, and catting /etc/group shows yhg as a member of audio. But when I run the 'groups' command as yhg it doesn't show me as a member of any groups other than my own, and I still can't use the audio device. |
| 06:21.38 | jm_ | yhg: /msg dpkg audio |
| 06:21.41 | Phated | yhg: Log out and in again. :) |
| 06:22.03 | Phated | yhg: Or take a nap, you're tired. :) |
| 06:22.12 | yhg | Yeah, I really f'ing am. heh. |
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| 06:22.14 | Phated | yhg: I did the very same once, no worries. :) |
| 06:22.14 | phaethon | yhg, or "su - $USER" |
| 06:22.29 | phaethon | or "exec su - $USER". |
| 06:22.47 | Phated | Or sheesh just log out and in again. :) |
| 06:22.53 | phaethon | (or was it "exec login"?...) |
| 06:23.00 | sussudio | in soviet russia, desk bangs you |
| 06:23.05 | Phated | OUCH. |
| 06:23.12 | phaethon | gotta love them .ru pr0n sites. |
| 06:23.18 | Phated | Hahaha. |
| 06:23.23 | yhg | ahhhh, how great it is to have sound. |
| 06:23.27 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 06:23.29 | Phated | Ah yes. |
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| 06:24.22 | loke | yhg lol |
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| 06:24.36 | phaethon | mp3 is not relaxing. |
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| 06:24.44 | phaethon | now, oggs, otoh... |
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| 06:25.19 | yhg | yeah... haven't found a good CLI player though. What's with the ogg123 package that doesn't really exist? |
| 06:25.41 | rich_ | yhg mplayer works on the command line. Even without x |
| 06:25.58 | jm_ | it does |
| 06:26.05 | jm_ | yhg: /msg dpkg faq |
| 06:26.16 | rich_ | does xine work without x? |
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| 06:26.30 | Phated | There's an ascii part. |
| 06:26.49 | Phated | But for video in ascii mplayer works slightly better, ie, it works at all. |
| 06:26.51 | rich_ | cool. Thanks |
| 06:26.55 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:27.13 | rich_ | mplayer works in a console without ascii. It can use sdl |
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| 06:27.19 | Phated | Sweet. |
| 06:27.20 | JVaughn | woo hoo got framebuffers working |
| 06:27.28 | JVaughn | cute little penguin |
| 06:27.34 | Phated | Nah actually I just like the effect of seeing a movie in ascii. |
| 06:27.43 | Phated | JVaughn: Google for kernel-tux.html... :) |
| 06:27.46 | jm_ | you can also use mplayer without SDL, as root though |
| 06:27.51 | rich_ | Phated Yes, thats pretty cool. |
| 06:28.01 | JVaughn | phated - h'ok |
| 06:28.13 | Phated | rich_: Yeah. |
| 06:28.25 | sussudio | wtf would someone do with 2 kilos of lemons? |
| 06:28.35 | Guerin | sussudio: margaritas |
| 06:28.38 | nornagon | I recently compiled myself a 2.6.9 kernel. It seems to work fine, no errors, so I copy .../linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot and set up lilo to recognise it. So I reboot into 2.6.9, but as soon as it's finished loading up the kernel to start booting, it comes up with a bunch of weird graphics and freezes. I presume it has something to do with a VGA console. Any ideas? |
| 06:28.38 | Phated | Make 2 liters of lemonade. |
| 06:28.38 | sussudio | oranges, ok. tangerines, maybe. |
| 06:28.43 | nornagon | Did that get cut off? |
| 06:28.44 | Phated | But lemons?! |
| 06:28.48 | Guerin | yeah |
| 06:28.59 | Phated | I dunno... Make lemon ladyfingers. |
| 06:29.00 | Guerin | margaritas |
| 06:29.04 | Phated | Or something. |
| 06:29.11 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm ladyfingers. |
| 06:29.17 | Phated | Or go the alcoholic's route and make margaritas. |
| 06:29.18 | Guerin | it takes about one lemon to get enough juice for a margarita |
| 06:29.21 | Phated | Whatever those are. |
| 06:29.32 | JVaughn | nornagon - could be, make it say vga=ask in your lilo config |
| 06:29.38 | JVaughn | then you can pick your settings |
| 06:29.44 | Guerin | i mean, technically you should be using limes, but where I come from, likes are ~$10/kilo |
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| 06:29.58 | Guerin | you don't know what a margarita is? |
| 06:30.01 | Guerin | oh my goodness |
| 06:30.04 | nornagon | JVaughn: I specified it in the boot params, and it gave me a list, yeah. typing 'scan' hung it though |
| 06:30.09 | Phated | Nope I don't know what a margarita is. :) |
| 06:30.15 | Phated | And no I will not FGI. :) |
| 06:30.24 | JVaughn | nornagon - hrm.... and it was working before? |
| 06:30.25 | Guerin | tequila, lime, triple sec, salt |
| 06:30.26 | nornagon | gah, gtg. |
| 06:30.29 | peterS | Phated: I don't think they're that good. just a mixed drink |
| 06:30.30 | Guerin | they're sex in a glass |
| 06:30.33 | nornagon | It worked in 2.6.7 |
| 06:30.39 | nornagon | must disappear :( |
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| 06:30.41 | sussudio | i could, ofcourse, take the pound of kiwi's and gag in agony while my galbladder implodes on me. |
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| 06:30.44 | nornagon | be back soonish. |
| 06:30.45 | Phated | I'll go with that peterS said. What's triple sec? |
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| 06:31.04 | Phated | Oh just shoo. |
| 06:31.04 | peterS | I don't even know what goes into a margarita. they're ok but nothing I'd ever crave |
| 06:31.10 | Phated | Ah OK. |
| 06:31.16 | Guerin | a sweet orange-rind liqueur traditionally from the caribbean |
| 06:31.25 | Phated | Let's see... Semi-drinkers opinion or bartender's opinion... |
| 06:31.35 | JVaughn | crown royal and coke... mmm |
| 06:31.44 | peterS | heh. yeah, don't listen to me. I drink so seldom that I don't know what normal people consider good |
| 06:31.46 | Guerin | margaritas kick arse, never let anyone tell you any different. |
| 06:31.49 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 06:31.58 | Phated | Guerin: Make me one sometime, I'll decide. |
| 06:32.06 | rich_ | a kamikazi is like a margarita, sort of. Vodka, triplesec, and lime juice as I remember. Like a margarita with a kick. |
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| 06:32.27 | Guerin | kamikazi, sidecar, whiskey sour, daiquiri, white lady , etc... |
| 06:32.33 | peterS | Phated: how long before you can legally have a margarita, then? |
| 06:32.42 | Phated | Guerin: I repeat above. :) |
| 06:32.42 | sussudio | yes, a soviet russian margarita would kick you. |
| 06:32.42 | Phated | peterS: Two years. :) |
| 06:32.42 | Guerin | they're all the same recipe, same blend, with a different spirit |
| 06:32.51 | rich_ | yea I guess all it really has in comon with a margarita is lime juice. |
| 06:32.56 | peterS | sussudio: ha |
| 06:33.02 | JVaughn | i've alawys wonder what a whiskey sour is |
| 06:33.08 | JVaughn | whiskey margarita ;) |
| 06:33.09 | Guerin | rich_: no, it's the same - just no salt, and s/tequila/vodka/ |
| 06:33.11 | Phated | Whiskey with lemon? |
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| 06:33.26 | Guerin | yeah, whiskey sour ain;t all that |
| 06:33.36 | Guerin | a sidecar is pretty good, but nothing beats a margarita |
| 06:33.45 | JVaughn | guerin - never had one... but it always gets my attention when i see @ a bar or on a menu |
| 06:33.51 | JVaughn | (isn't whiskey sour anyway? :) |
| 06:33.52 | rich_ | Guerin Oh I see. They are good with ice on a hot day |
| 06:33.59 | Guerin | JVaughn: heh, NO. |
| 06:34.10 | Phated | JVaughn: You've been ripped off, mon. :) |
| 06:34.15 | JVaughn | hgehe |
| 06:34.27 | Guerin | rich_: you have hot days up there? |
| 06:34.32 | Phated | Gah where did the Jamaican come from. |
| 06:34.33 | JVaughn | no actually dude, I forgot the name of the brand you all probably no.. but that whiskey company that Willie Nelson owns... that's gooooood |
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| 06:34.56 | Phated | Oh bah I don't drink anyways but I'll try a margarita if Guerin says it's -that- good. |
| 06:34.59 | Guerin | JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whiskey are different like debian and knoppix. |
| 06:35.16 | peterS | Guerin: that's great |
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| 06:35.19 | Guerin | and bourbon is most definitely knoppix. |
| 06:35.24 | TekEmperor | there anyway to remove an application and all it's dependencies simultaneously? |
| 06:35.31 | JVaughn | hahaga |
| 06:35.37 | rich_ | Guerin No, but I only moved here in 1996. Up until then I lived in california, and when I visited santa cruz beach, there was hot days. |
| 06:35.40 | Guerin | !upgrade depends |
| 06:35.54 | JVaughn | so many new distros that i've never heard (or care to) knoppix, wtf is gentoo... |
| 06:35.55 | holycow | man, these lfs instructions are as buggy as hell |
| 06:35.56 | Guerin | !upgrade deps |
| 06:35.56 | dpkg | to upgrade all the dependencies of a given package, regardless of whether correct version dependencies have been specified, use the following: `apt-cache depends package | cut -f2 -d:`; do apt-get install $i; done |
| 06:35.57 | rich_ | where I lived, it was a pretty steady 72 f |
| 06:36.08 | JVaughn | debian does rule all tho imo |
| 06:36.20 | peterS | !no qotd16 is <reply><Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whiskey are different like debian and knoppix. |
| 06:36.21 | dpkg | peterS: okay |
| 06:36.22 | Guerin | TekEmperor: ^^ use that one-liner above, except do apt-get remove --purge instead |
| 06:36.23 | Phated | JVaughn: Don't even -touch- Gentoo. :) |
| 06:36.29 | JVaughn | i don't think i wilkl |
| 06:36.37 | Phated | Hehe. |
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| 06:37.07 | helix | maher! |
| 06:37.12 | format12356 | how i can make my linux a router |
| 06:37.15 | maher | helix: wassup! |
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| 06:37.21 | helix | maher: hey, how are things? :) |
| 06:37.24 | TekEmperor | apt-get remove --purge <packagename>? |
| 06:37.32 | Phated | Yes. |
| 06:37.35 | PinkBunny | what could cause this? loading linuxEBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps lilo second stage |
| 06:37.39 | TekEmperor | that removes all dependent packages as well? |
| 06:37.42 | Phated | No. |
| 06:37.46 | maher | format12356: stick it down the drain and shake it up and down |
| 06:37.49 | The_Vulture | format12356: you mean NATing gateway? read the IP Masquerading HOWTO on tldp.org, or use the "ipmasq" package, etc... |
| 06:37.58 | peterS | hey, whaddayaknow, it *is* maher. long time no see |
| 06:37.59 | format12356 | ya |
| 06:38.03 | format12356 | and |
| 06:38.07 | maher | helix: things are distinctly thingy.... |
| 06:38.08 | Phated | maher: That makes it a retrospective cocktail. |
| 06:38.14 | helix | heh |
| 06:38.25 | Guerin | TekEmperor: `apt-cache depends package | cut -f2 -d:`; do apt-get remove --dry-run --purge $i; done |
| 06:38.27 | Phated | Yeah damn Guerin for bringing alcohol into my mind. |
| 06:38.27 | format12356 | shaer intenet connetion |
| 06:38.35 | Phated | helix: Oh that sucks. Get a teddybear. :D |
| 06:38.45 | Guerin | TekEmperor: the --dry-run will stop it actually removing anything; remove it once you've tested it |
| 06:38.46 | maher | helix: forget the teddy bear - take more drugs |
| 06:38.46 | scarynetworkguy | TekEmperor: debfoster |
| 06:38.47 | The_Vulture | helix: for the bored and bored at heart: http://www.stumbleupon.com/ |
| 06:38.51 | peterS | Phated: alcohol in your mind, over irc? that's pretty cool technology |
| 06:38.58 | The_Vulture | Phated: say, how did you go getting through Sinfest - enjoy? |
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| 06:39.00 | TekEmperor | Guerin, thanks. |
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| 06:39.05 | Phated | peterS: Yeah we could open-source it. |
| 06:39.06 | TekEmperor | Scarynetworkguy, what's debfoster? |
| 06:39.10 | helix | The_Vulture: interesting |
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| 06:39.16 | peterS | TekEmperor: apt-cache show debfoster |
| 06:39.18 | Phated | The_Vulture: Nah I was finishing Dragon Tails first. |
| 06:39.23 | Guerin | TekEmperor: untested, but it should work. |
| 06:39.24 | scarynetworkguy | TekEmperor: a tool for package mangaement very cool. |
| 06:39.37 | format12356 | Anybody know how |
| 06:39.39 | The_Vulture | helix: *nods*, 'tis a bit of fun. Uses baesian (or something like it) filtering to learn what your interests are as you stumble more, which is nice |
| 06:39.41 | Guerin | yeah, debfoster is the uncomplicated way to do it :) |
| 06:39.44 | The_Vulture | Phated: rightio :) |
| 06:39.47 | Phated | Yeah lets you rip packages out like nobody's business. :) |
| 06:39.48 | format12356 | to share Internet connection |
| 06:39.49 | Phated | The_Vulture: :) |
| 06:40.03 | helix | I'm so bored I wish I had video games |
| 06:40.05 | format12356 | On a Linux machine |
| 06:40.07 | helix | I wonder if my sega still works |
| 06:40.07 | Phated | The_Vulture: Hm, don't they have a Firefox plugin or something? |
| 06:40.09 | peterS | ha |
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| 06:40.20 | The_Vulture | Phated: Stumble? yeah, I'm using it at the moment. |
| 06:40.20 | Guerin | format12356: no, nobody knows. I have to pay 3x internet fees for my 3 computers here :( |
| 06:40.21 | JVaughn | helix - get snes emulator and play snes games all day |
| 06:40.21 | Phated | helix: I'll lend you my gameboy, BYOC. |
| 06:40.30 | Phated | The_Vulture: Ah yes I tried it once, very cool. |
| 06:40.37 | format12356 | Tried to set up a machine for like a router |
| 06:40.37 | rich_ | When I worked for the city of salem, it was in fleet services and I heard that a mechanic said to another mechanic "lets go get some beers". A meter maid was nearby and heard it and filed a complaint because he was a alchoholic and didnt like hearing the mechanic say he was headed to get some beers. |
| 06:40.38 | Phated | JVaughn: ROM sites? :) |
| 06:40.44 | helix | Phated: do you have teenage mutant ninja turtles? |
| 06:40.48 | format12356 | Does anybody have any idea |
| 06:40.51 | The_Vulture | Phated: found this < http://www.actsofgord.com/ > yesterday - that's a laugh. |
| 06:40.53 | Phated | helix: I said BYOC. :) |
| 06:40.56 | helix | I really want to play sonic the hedgehog |
| 06:40.57 | Phated | The_Vulture: Awesome. |
| 06:41.01 | Phated | Oh yeah! |
| 06:41.08 | Guerin | rich_: stella award |
| 06:41.09 | JVaughn | phated - not off the top of my head |
| 06:41.12 | format12356 | Actually on trying to share Internet connection |
| 06:41.15 | Phated | helix: Well, snes emu, hunt down a couple sites. |
| 06:41.22 | The_Vulture | format12356: I already answered that. |
| 06:41.23 | helix | I don't know how to do any of that |
| 06:41.31 | Phated | JVaughn: Well then if you're free and I'm free and helix is free we can all hunt down snes ROMs. :) |
| 06:41.33 | helix | can I play it with a keyboard/mouse? they're not the same as joysticks |
| 06:41.36 | format12356 | If anybody can help |
| 06:41.37 | maher | how do i get an alias to fork into the back ground |
| 06:41.38 | JVaughn | hehe |
| 06:41.43 | JVaughn | I want final fantasy 3 |
| 06:41.46 | JVaughn | best game ever |
| 06:41.47 | Phated | helix: Meh, if you can play supertux... |
| 06:41.51 | helix | oh |
| 06:41.56 | JVaughn | well american final fantasy 3 |
| 06:41.56 | maher | helix: mouse? keybindings surely... |
| 06:41.56 | rich_ | Guerin stella award? They were all male. |
| 06:41.58 | helix | I forgot, I don't have all that fancy 3d stuff |
| 06:42.02 | Phated | Yeah the controls pretty much work. |
| 06:42.02 | format12356 | vutrue |
| 06:42.03 | peterS | maher: a what? |
| 06:42.03 | scarynetworkguy | It would indeed seem that nothing gets by helix |
| 06:42.10 | format12356 | And what was your answer |
| 06:42.10 | Phated | helix: Supertux needs no 3d. :) |
| 06:42.12 | helix | scarynetworkguy: yeah, I'm pretty observant |
| 06:42.16 | format12356 | He have any explanation |
| 06:42.19 | helix | I could play frozen bubble.. |
| 06:42.23 | helix | but that game sucks |
| 06:42.23 | scarynetworkguy | helix: heh |
| 06:42.25 | Phated | Nah gets boring. :) |
| 06:42.26 | format12356 | On how to set up a Linux machine |
| 06:42.32 | format12356 | As a router |
| 06:42.34 | peterS | maher: what do you mean, "an alias to fork"? like a shell alias? |
| 06:42.36 | maher | peterS: i want to do something like alias foo='emacs $1 &' |
| 06:42.38 | rich_ | It just goes to show, you can't trust a cop, even a meter maid. |
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| 06:42.43 | Guerin | format12356: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 06:42.47 | The_Vulture | format12356: scroll up and find it.. |
| 06:42.52 | format12356 | The any configuration |
| 06:42.53 | peterS | maher: use a shell function. foo () { emacs "$1" & } |
| 06:43.00 | harryvetch | Whats the default line to test the sound card? tryed the linux option did not work. |
| 06:43.24 | peterS | maher: aliases can't take parameters in bash. they can in tcsh, but that's only because tcsh doesn't have shell functions. (: |
| 06:43.25 | Phated | cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp? |
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| 06:43.31 | JVaughn | harryvetch - cat anything to /dev/audio or /dev/dsp |
| 06:43.32 | Phated | And anyone who falls for it twice... |
| 06:43.34 | peterS | Phated: the sound of Linux? |
| 06:43.35 | format12356 | ipmasg |
| 06:43.35 | JVaughn | if you hear something you got sound :) |
| 06:43.39 | JVaughn | Phated - hahahaha |
| 06:43.40 | jm_ | maher: man emacsclient |
| 06:43.41 | Phated | peterS: the voice of god! |
| 06:43.44 | harryvetch | JV, anything? |
| 06:43.48 | Phated | Yeah well. :) |
| 06:43.56 | format12356 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.57 | JVaughn | harryvetch - yah, you''ll hear something |
| 06:44.00 | maher | peterS: ah - i was attempting to help someone convert from tcsh to bash and failing... |
| 06:44.01 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I though the voice of Loki was /dev/urandom |
| 06:44.04 | Phated | JVaughn: Yeha I tried it once... Unholy hell! |
| 06:44.04 | peterS | Phated: as someone once said: "lynx -dump http://slashdot.org/ > /dev/dsp" - the sound of Slashdot |
| 06:44.08 | harryvetch | even jiberish if its just a file |
| 06:44.12 | Phated | *choke* |
| 06:44.12 | helix | maher: just go ahead and convert them to zsh ;) |
| 06:44.14 | JVaughn | phated - heh |
| 06:44.20 | Phated | Why would I want to hear /.? |
| 06:44.23 | Phated | JVaughn: :) |
| 06:44.31 | scarynetworkguy | Mental illness. |
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| 06:44.41 | maher | helix: i told them all the cool people like helix and peterS used zsh - but they weren't interested.... |
| 06:44.49 | scarynetworkguy | helix: I got it. But it's all the way out in the garage. |
| 06:44.55 | Phated | Or hey! lynx -dump http://funroll-loops.org/ > /dev/dsp... The sound of stupidity. :D |
| 06:44.56 | peterS | maher: peterS uses bash. I'm glad you consider me one of the cool people, though (: |
| 06:45.02 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 06:45.17 | The_Vulture | Phated: fun |
| 06:45.25 | Phated | The_Vulture: :) |
| 06:45.29 | Phated | bash bash bash! |
| 06:45.42 | peterS | Phated: what someone needs to do is come up with a web site which, when piped into /dev/dsp, actually makes a coherent sound |
| 06:45.50 | Phated | peterS: Sure thing. |
| 06:45.53 | peterS | Phated: doing this while still being valid HTML would be quite a trick |
| 06:46.20 | jm_ | should be trivial with javascript (i.e. an otherwise unused array with binary data ?) |
| 06:46.20 | Guerin | doing it while being valid xml should be doable though |
| 06:46.26 | peterS | jm_: hmmm, maybe |
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| 06:46.30 | Phated | peterS: cat foo.mp3 > foo.txt and paste it into <html><pre></pre></html> tags. :) |
| 06:46.38 | loke | what bsd would you guys recommend trying? |
| 06:46.44 | peterS | Phated: there are still limits on what you can have inside <pre> tags |
| 06:46.51 | peterS | loke: Mac OS X |
| 06:46.54 | Phated | peterS: Meh, I love <pre> tags. :) |
| 06:47.01 | harryvetch | so what dir is sounds located n? |
| 06:47.05 | maestro[] | wuah, it took me 5 hours to sort my bookmarks! |
| 06:47.07 | Phated | Ehm... |
| 06:47.09 | loke | peterS heh? bsd? |
| 06:47.12 | peterS | harryvetch: look under /usr/share/ somewhere |
| 06:47.16 | Guerin | loke: debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 06:47.16 | harryvetch | k |
| 06:47.17 | peterS | loke: yes |
| 06:47.25 | Phated | Why don't you just cat something to /dev/dsp? Even if you hear garbage it's working. |
| 06:47.31 | JVaughn | loke - BSD4.3 on an old vax |
| 06:47.35 | JVaughn | or freebsd :) |
| 06:47.41 | peterS | JVaughn: as opposed to a new vax? (: |
| 06:47.52 | JVaughn | peter - heh |
| 06:47.54 | Bugalugs | is there a single package with all the stuff needed to do php web scripting with mysql database? (i already have apache & php installed, just dont know which mysql package to install) |
| 06:47.56 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:47.57 | loke | JVaughn bsd4.3? |
| 06:48.01 | peterS | JVaughn: also, I think you're supposed to say 4.3BSD, not BSD4.3. (: |
| 06:48.02 | harryvetch | phated, tried a log file did not hear anything |
| 06:48.04 | rich_ | loke I see why you would ask that question here. It's because this is where the smart people are and you know they will give you a fair, unbiased answer, even thought its about debian. So jhere it is; bsd bad, debian good. |
| 06:48.07 | jm_ | Bugalugs: apt-cache search php mysql |
| 06:48.10 | JVaughn | bleh lick me balls |
| 06:48.12 | Phated | harryvetch: Then it's not working. |
| 06:48.15 | JVaughn | ;0 |
| 06:48.15 | Phated | JVaughn: OH EW. |
| 06:48.23 | peterS | like a noun |
| 06:48.27 | harryvetch | phated okay. its installed though. |
| 06:48.28 | loke | rich_ i agree |
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| 06:48.46 | Phated | harryvetch: You are in the sound group I presume, the volumes are turned up? |
| 06:48.46 | rich_ | loke but debian has a hurd |
| 06:48.48 | loke | rich_ i just want to try it, ill always be loyal to debian |
| 06:48.49 | JVaughn | is BSD/OS still developed? |
| 06:48.51 | JVaughn | from bsdi |
| 06:49.02 | scarynetworkguy | harryvetch: Are you in the audio group? Is your mixer turned up? Is it unmuted? If you are running a soud deamon turn off that stupidity. |
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| 06:49.08 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 06:49.09 | harryvetch | phated, dont have xwindows installed and just testing from command prompt. |
| 06:49.13 | Guerin | loke: ffs, debian has a *bds project; go use it. |
| 06:49.16 | loke | rich_ im gonna try it on an old box, im still leaving my debian server and deb laptop |
| 06:49.18 | Guerin | bsd, even |
| 06:49.29 | Bugalugs | jm theres so many i dont know which one |
| 06:49.30 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse harryvetch |
| 06:49.30 | dpkg | No, those was our gerbil yesterday, harryvetch? lederhosen of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 06:49.33 | loke | Guerin ffs? |
| 06:49.37 | Guerin | !ffs |
| 06:49.37 | dpkg | hmm... ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 06:49.39 | Phated | harryvetch: Yeeesss... Install aumix and turn up the volumes. Add yourself to the sound group. They can ALL be done from the console. |
| 06:49.40 | JVaughn | loke - in all honestly, freebsd is very nice... worth a try |
| 06:49.42 | jm_ | Bugalugs: so many ? there are exactly two |
| 06:49.43 | Bugalugs | im guessing server binaries then i need client? what do i need so php can access it? |
| 06:49.48 | Bugalugs | um |
| 06:49.53 | Bugalugs | when i do that command you gave me |
| 06:49.54 | loke | JVaughn will do |
| 06:50.01 | loke | JVaughn im downloading as we speak |
| 06:50.07 | Phated | FreeBSD... Noted. |
| 06:50.11 | TekEmperor | is debian better than freebsd? |
| 06:50.16 | harryvetch | phated never added my self to the sound group but did see something like adduser thisusernameimusing sound ? |
| 06:50.18 | Bugalugs | 40 lines exactly |
| 06:50.20 | Bugalugs | of packages |
| 06:50.27 | JVaughn | tekemperor - I think so |
| 06:50.28 | jm_ | Bugalugs: fucking read it and apply common sense |
| 06:50.30 | loke | TekEmperor never used freebsd, but debian rules! |
| 06:50.30 | peterS | harryvetch: adduser yourusername audio |
| 06:50.32 | peterS | harryvetch: you were close |
| 06:50.33 | Phated | harryvetch: In simplest terms, go do it. adduser ff audio. |
| 06:50.36 | harryvetch | k |
| 06:50.47 | loke | TekEmperor most likely debian is better |
| 06:50.48 | Phated | ff? How the heck did foo turn into ff? |
| 06:51.01 | TekEmperor | I figured you guys would say that. |
| 06:51.02 | Phated | TekEmperor: You ask this in a Debian channel...? :) |
| 06:51.05 | Guerin | christ |
| 06:51.07 | TekEmperor | LoL. |
| 06:51.16 | Guerin | is a duck better than a fish? |
| 06:51.24 | Phated | Well duh! |
| 06:51.29 | JVaughn | i hate fish |
| 06:51.31 | JVaughn | so yes |
| 06:51.32 | Phated | It has more meat and bigger bones. :D |
| 06:51.36 | harryvetch | phated, got a reply of already been added. |
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| 06:51.41 | Guerin | Phated: depends on the fish |
| 06:51.44 | Phated | Actually I -love- cod. |
| 06:51.48 | harryvetch | What was that sound application you said to download? |
| 06:51.49 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 06:51.53 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah salted fish too. |
| 06:51.55 | Guerin | JVaughn: that doesn't make it better, that makes you like it more |
| 06:51.58 | Phated | harryvetch: Are you on alsa? |
| 06:52.12 | peterS | Guerin: 'better' is inherently subjective. I think "I like it more" is as good a justification for "better" as anything else |
| 06:52.14 | JVaughn | i just think that the linux developmenet team is faster (but they have like x300 more developers) at getting drivers for newer hardware than freebsd |
| 06:52.18 | JVaughn | linux moves faster |
| 06:52.21 | harryvetch | sound blaster esq 1370 |
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| 06:52.30 | rich_ | Sometimes you have to give the obvious answer even if it seems biased. There's a reason why debian is so popular. It's not a value judgement, its a fact. |
| 06:52.40 | Guerin | peterS: not necessarily. Some things are actually better than others. |
| 06:52.48 | JVaughn | and I like GNU's apps better than BSD's. |
| 06:52.52 | peterS | Guerin: for something like 'fish vs. duck', it's pretty subjective |
| 06:52.54 | JVaughn | even tho now freebsd uses mainly gnu |
| 06:52.56 | Phated | harryvetch: *sigh* ALSA or OSS? |
| 06:52.59 | Guerin | peterS: that was my point. |
| 06:53.03 | peterS | Guerin: or did you have an objective yardstick of some sort in mind? |
| 06:53.11 | harryvetch | phated, whats the command to know which one? |
| 06:53.11 | deadcat | does original airport base station graphite support 128bit WEP? |
| 06:53.18 | peterS | harryvetch: 'lsmod | grep snd' |
| 06:53.19 | The_Vulture | I doubt it.. |
| 06:53.20 | Phated | peterS: I think that he meant there was NO objective yardstick. |
| 06:53.21 | Guerin | peterS: no, that was my retort to "is debian better than freebsd?" |
| 06:53.37 | peterS | Guerin: oh, I know |
| 06:53.45 | appaji | What is dpkg? I mean which IRC bot program? |
| 06:53.50 | peterS | !what are you |
| 06:53.50 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 06:53.53 | peterS | appaji: ^^^ |
| 06:53.54 | format12356 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.13 | format12356 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.22 | scarynetworkguy | harryvetch: Ok you are in the group now. Have you checked your mixer settings? |
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| 06:54.32 | harryvetch | peterS, it did not echo a responce. |
| 06:54.33 | appaji | peterS: Thank you. |
| 06:54.40 | Guerin | peterS: in this case, there's no clear answer, so your point about preference stands. But it's not ALWAYS the case; some things are actually better than others. |
| 06:54.41 | peterS | harryvetch: then you don't have any ALSA modules loaded |
| 06:54.43 | format12356 | thanks dude |
| 06:54.48 | peterS | Guerin: granted |
| 06:54.57 | mike__ | hey, how do i get the GD2.0 library when im using the stable dist ?? |
| 06:54.57 | harryvetch | um, its loaded saw it ealier |
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| 06:55.25 | peterS | harryvetch: all the ALSA kernel modules have "snd" in their names. if you didn't see any such, you don't have any loaded. |
| 06:55.30 | JVaughn | like freenode is better than efnet? :) |
| 06:55.37 | Phated | JVaughn: Yes that's a given. |
| 06:55.44 | harryvetch | id a insmod -a sb I think and it did echo the sound blaster driver |
| 06:55.54 | Phated | That's NOT also. |
| 06:55.54 | Guerin | JVaughn: depends if you want pr0n, warez and pwn4ge attempts |
| 06:55.56 | Phated | alsa! |
| 06:55.59 | peterS | harryvetch: "sb" is not an ALSA module |
| 06:56.02 | Phated | However efnet does make for wonderful bash.orgs. |
| 06:56.03 | JVaughn | guerin - hehe |
| 06:56.25 | harryvetch | peterS okay so insmod -a ALSA? |
| 06:57.04 | peterS | harryvetch: you don't really need ALSA. you could just do 'modprobe es1370' |
| 06:57.04 | Guerin | !insmod |
| 06:57.04 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet? |
| 06:57.22 | peterS | harryvetch: if you still have the 'sb' module loaded, unload it. that's "rmmod sb" |
| 06:57.24 | mike__ | plz, how can GD2.0 be installed on the stable dist? im having heaps of trouble |
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| 06:57.56 | harryvetch | okay looks like its not loaded. |
| 06:58.11 | peterS | harryvetch: like I said, you can just do "modprobe es1370" and that should load your correct driver |
| 06:58.33 | Pyguy | Is Evolution a new addition to GNOME, or has it been with it all this time? |
| 06:58.35 | harryvetch | okay thats what i used and it said it was loaded. Let me do a double check to see if its there. |
| 06:58.43 | Guerin | Pyguy: has been for a while |
| 06:58.46 | peterS | harryvetch: *alternatively* ... if you think you want to try ALSA instead, you can do "modprobe snd-ens1370" and "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" |
| 06:58.55 | harryvetch | okay took it |
| 06:59.09 | peterS | harryvetch: ok. now to make sure it loads next time you boot: "echo es1370 >> /etc/modules" |
| 06:59.23 | JVaughn | or run alsaconf |
| 06:59.28 | peterS | alsaconf is of the devil |
| 06:59.36 | JVaughn | why so? |
| 06:59.40 | Guerin | yeah, it's nice when it works, but it can break things |
| 06:59.43 | peterS | people come in here *all the time* saying "I ran alsaconf and nothing works, blah blah blah" |
| 06:59.50 | peterS | JVaughn: therefore I just never trust it |
| 06:59.57 | JVaughn | oh heh |
| 07:00.02 | Guerin | it should be either a first-try or a last-ditch effort |
| 07:00.15 | peterS | JVaughn: instead I determine what their chipset is and tell them what modules to load. much more foolproof. (: |
| 07:00.19 | Guerin | much like all hardware detection, really |
| 07:00.27 | JVaughn | peters - t'is true |
| 07:01.01 | peterS | Guerin: there's no excuse for less than perfect hardware detection for 99% of today's hardware. it's all plug n play. there should be little or no guesswork. *and yet* we still can't get it right |
| 07:01.17 | Guerin | indeed |
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| 07:01.33 | Phated | Hardware detection - fun if it works and not if it doesn't. Simple. |
| 07:01.58 | Guerin | looong ago |
| 07:02.07 | JVaughn | hotplug heh |
| 07:02.27 | JVaughn | hotplug can't even find my mouse... :) |
| 07:02.30 | JVaughn | useless |
| 07:02.52 | peterS | JVaughn: in theory, hotplug is great. however, for me, it loads all kinds of modules I don't actually want - some of which are for hardware I have, some of which aren't. so, screw that |
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| 07:02.55 | mike__ | php GD library 2.0 on the stable dist. how can this be done? |
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| 07:03.02 | JVaughn | peters - yah |
| 07:03.07 | peterS | mike__: check http://backports.org/ I guses |
| 07:03.10 | jm_ | Mikesh: check if it's on backports, otherwise - good luck |
| 07:03.36 | mike__ | it isn't on backports :'-( |
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| 07:03.54 | peterS | mike__: the next most useful suggestion would be to go ahead, bite the bullet, and upgrade to sarge |
| 07:04.05 | sep | mike__ you can try pinning, but you will mostl likely mess up your system |
| 07:04.16 | sep | yes sarge sounds more sensible |
| 07:04.23 | mike__ | peterS: ahhh... sarge.. im running a server |
| 07:04.46 | peterS | mike__: so am I. sarge isn't for everyone - you have to pay attention to security advisories and sort of take care of yourself - but it makes sense for me |
| 07:04.47 | harryvetch | okay |
| 07:05.54 | mike__ | alright, so how do i upgarde to sarge.. is there a net installer, and will my server have to be down while this is going? |
| 07:06.08 | peterS | mike__: nothing needs to be down. /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 07:06.28 | peterS | mike__: services get stopped and then restarted, so you might have a 5-minute outage somewhere, but with any luck that'll be it |
| 07:06.38 | JVaughn | mike - using dselect or just editing your apt sources by hand... change stable to testing and then apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 07:06.51 | holycow | altho i would strongly advise you to take a copy of ALL your files first... i've had shit go wrong on majour woody -> sarge upgrades :) |
| 07:06.53 | mike__ | peterS: and its not gonna be screwed up in anyway? |
| 07:07.01 | peterS | mike__: nobody can guarantee that |
| 07:07.10 | peterS | mike__: however, I've had good luck. what kinds of services are you running? |
| 07:07.30 | holycow | mike, well don't forget that you are upgrading every single application on the machine simultaneously |
| 07:07.31 | mike__ | holycow: squid, apache, exim, ircd are the main ones |
| 07:07.45 | holycow | not just eh kernel and a some system files |
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| 07:08.15 | Phated | 2.6.8 |
| 07:08.17 | Phated | Gah. |
| 07:08.24 | Phated | Mispaste, my bad. :) |
| 07:08.29 | peterS | mike__: upgrading a live server with no desire for services to be down for any length of time *does* require a certain amount of confidence in working with config files and such, just in case something fails. |
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| 07:08.39 | peterS | mike__: but OTOH, it *might* just all go smoothly |
| 07:09.12 | holycow | mike, obviously you will probably want to keep lilo, but i hosed one or two machines trying to switch to grub ungracefully |
| 07:09.13 | holycow | ehe :) |
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| 07:09.25 | JVaughn | i love grub |
| 07:09.28 | mike__ | *might*... im still unsure |
| 07:09.38 | holycow | you may wish to plan your upgrade path conservatively |
| 07:09.41 | Phated | Meh lilo rules. |
| 07:09.50 | sussudio | !start a bootloader war |
| 07:09.50 | dpkg | lilo rules |
| 07:09.55 | sussudio | !britsnack |
| 07:09.56 | Phated | See? :) |
| 07:09.59 | peterS | mike__: if you have a non-live-server machine, you might try installing your same set of packages there and upgrading *that*, for practice |
| 07:10.00 | Phated | Oh ew. |
| 07:10.06 | JVaughn | heh |
| 07:10.25 | holycow | what peterS said |
| 07:10.31 | mike__ | peterS: i wish i had another computer to "test" this on |
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| 07:10.57 | peterS | mike__: that's the problem with any upgrade of a production machine. there's never a guarantee that everything will go smoothly, particularly if you don't schedule a large enough window of possible downtime |
| 07:10.58 | shantanoo | hi! |
| 07:11.11 | peterS | mike__: debian is much better than most competitors, in this regard, but one can never be *sure* |
| 07:11.16 | shantanoo | i have a small query regarding traffic shaping. |
| 07:11.16 | holycow | mike__, at least if you have a 'copy' of all your system files, you could rm -rf files and copy over the good ones just incase |
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| 07:11.42 | peterS | mike__: we're probably scaring you a bit more than is warranted. however, better safe than sorry, eh? |
| 07:11.50 | holycow | yeah what peterS said again, always make sure you are ready with one or two backup plans, it is a HUGE upgrade |
| 07:11.51 | red_one | what's a good app to generate simple graphs of network usage for, say, a router? |
| 07:11.51 | shantanoo | is it possible to have out-going traffic load-balancing if i have to interfaces? similar to BGP |
| 07:12.21 | shantanoo | red_one, mrtg |
| 07:12.27 | mike__ | peterS: yeah, its just i don't want anything to go wrong as I am only new to linux |
| 07:12.44 | peterS | shantanoo: if you have cooperation with the other end of your link, you can do 'trunking' (as cisco calls it) which Linux calls 'channel bonding' |
| 07:13.04 | holycow | mike, all the more important to have several recovery strategies |
| 07:13.15 | Defenestrator | I think even without cooperation you can do some load-balancing. |
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| 07:13.38 | Defenestrator | not nearly as good as what you'd get with cooperation, of course |
| 07:14.42 | mike__ | holycow: not sure if i want to upgrade just to get a GD library.. .is there a program out there that batchly resamples pics for thumbnails on the web... lol |
| 07:15.07 | shantanoo | peterS, http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/pools.html#outgoing |
| 07:15.08 | peterS | mike__: you can install 'imagemagick' which has tools for that sort of thing |
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| 07:15.16 | shantanoo | i would like something like that |
| 07:15.32 | mike__ | peterS: ohh ok, thanks |
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| 07:16.37 | peterS | shantanoo: probably possible with the 'iproute' package. I am not a linux tcp/ip guru (or any other sort of linux guru, or tcp/ip guru), but /bin/ip from iproute is verra verra powerful |
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| 07:17.19 | peterS | shantanoo: assuming you work out what to do with the ip command, you can add lines to /etc/network/interface under your network stanzas, prefixed with "up" meaning "run this when the interface comes up" |
| 07:17.29 | shantanoo | peterS, do you think it is possible? |
| 07:17.46 | peterS | shantanoo: or, if you're using something like pppoe, put such scripts in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/ |
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| 07:18.03 | peterS | shantanoo: probably possible. the linux network stack is pretty flexible. but I can't tell you for sure, since I don't know how to do it |
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| 07:18.31 | shantanoo | peterS, i have DSL/Cable connetion with static IP (public/private) |
| 07:19.06 | peterS | shantanoo: so, the cable connection at least probably just uses an Ethernet card and static address setup there - in that case it's /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:19.28 | peterS | shantanoo: the DSL one ... I don't know if it would be regular TCP/IP on Ethernet, or using PPPoE. that depends on the DSL provider |
| 07:20.27 | shantanoo | peterS, in case of ethernet, i have 2 ips. any pointer to doc where can I read |
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| 07:20.58 | peterS | shantanoo: alexey kuznetsov, author of iproute, wrote a nice manual for it. I forget where this can be found, but it's in latex format. google, I guess. |
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| 07:22.30 | irssi | what a long nite, |
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| 07:23.50 | harryvetch | frick, what was the command to test a sound card again? |
| 07:24.15 | peterS | harryvetch: try 'cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' |
| 07:24.22 | JVaughn | heh |
| 07:24.23 | peterS | harryvetch: should hear lots of loud white noise |
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| 07:24.39 | harryvetch | k |
| 07:24.48 | peterS | it should sound like i386 object code generated by gcc |
| 07:24.59 | JVaughn | heheh |
| 07:25.03 | chealer | lol |
| 07:25.15 | Guerin | cd / ; for dir in * ; do cd $dir && cat * >/dev/dsp && cd .. ; done |
| 07:25.41 | harryvetch | yes, heard lots of static..or digital static |
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| 07:25.43 | harryvetch | :) |
| 07:25.50 | peterS | Guerin: you want to inflict /lib/libc.so.6 on his gentle ears? masochist! |
| 07:26.02 | Guerin | peterS: a bad muthafucka am I. |
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| 07:26.08 | JVaughn | heh |
| 07:26.35 | JVaughn | "the gentle sounds of /lib/libc.so.6, music to my ears" |
| 07:26.48 | rich_ | dinner music |
| 07:26.52 | harryvetch | okay now sound card is working need to install gnophone..i guess it works in console mode? and configure asterisk to use it. |
| 07:26.53 | peterS | JVaughn: I dunno, the symbol versioning sounds pretty discordant to me |
| 07:27.16 | Guerin | dpkg, free software song is also cd / ; for dir in * ; do cd $dir && cat * > /dev/dsp && cd .. ; done |
| 07:27.17 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 07:27.36 | Guerin | toss up whether I'd take that over rms, actually |
| 07:27.39 | peterS | shantanoo: I lose track - is pf the free one or the non-free one? |
| 07:27.45 | shantanoo | someone* |
| 07:28.02 | JVaughn | cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp and i get "doobe dooobe dooo, beware the penguin" |
| 07:28.03 | shantanoo | http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/pools.html#outgoing |
| 07:28.05 | shantanoo | free |
| 07:28.07 | JVaughn | it's crazy |
| 07:28.18 | shantanoo | brb |
| 07:28.28 | peterS | JVaughn: you must be using an Aureal sound card. they were pretty hostile to Linux |
| 07:28.38 | JVaughn | heh |
| 07:29.03 | JVaughn | in the key of E# minor |
| 07:29.12 | peterS | JVaughn: how exotic |
| 07:29.27 | JVaughn | yah man this aint windows, windows plays in C major |
| 07:29.29 | JVaughn | puss |
| 07:29.34 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:29.39 | Guerin | C# Major? |
| 07:29.44 | JVaughn | C major |
| 07:30.12 | PoonJ | ehy guys.. |
| 07:30.19 | JVaughn | i meant Eb anyway :) |
| 07:30.19 | peterS | ehy, PoonJ |
| 07:30.26 | peterS | JVaughn: Eb minor is still pretty exotic |
| 07:30.34 | PoonJ | anyone here know of a well supported 54g chipset or card? |
| 07:30.40 | peterS | 6 flats |
| 07:30.40 | JVaughn | Eb is jazz mang :P |
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| 07:31.20 | peterS | PoonJ: apparently the intel centrinos are getting better supported every day - see http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and http://ipw2200.sf.net/ |
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| 07:32.05 | PoonJ | that isn't something I could get in a PCI card though right? |
| 07:32.22 | peterS | PoonJ: hmmm, probably not. I really have no idea what's available in PCI |
| 07:32.57 | PoonJ | I mean |
| 07:33.03 | PoonJ | belkin, linksys, netgear, d-link |
| 07:33.27 | PoonJ | they all have cards...but I don't know which chipsets they run |
| 07:34.31 | sep | PoonJ, atleast the dlinks have changed chipsets without changing the name of the brand, it royaly sucks when you want to run kismet |
| 07:34.53 | JVaughn | sep - ran in to same prob when i got my d-link card |
| 07:35.00 | JVaughn | this is atheros chipset? say what? |
| 07:35.03 | JVaughn | ;) |
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| 07:35.37 | sep | no mention in the manual on or the card it just say Hardware revision C2 or some such nonsense |
| 07:35.49 | JVaughn | sep - yup |
| 07:36.06 | sep | PoonJ, i tend to like orinoco cards but that's just becouse they have allways worked for me |
| 07:36.13 | sep | orinoco/proxim |
| 07:36.40 | sep | other tehn that i think i would have choosen a intel and avoided the lowcost dlnik/linksys/belkin etc etc etc |
| 07:37.10 | PoonJ | how much do they run for? |
| 07:37.13 | PoonJ | the intel wireless cards |
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| 07:37.54 | JVaughn | i dlink works fine (after i hunted down wtf chipset (and anyone who has dlink knows what i mean) with madwifi |
| 07:37.58 | JVaughn | er my dlink |
| 07:38.00 | Phazor | i got a wifi card for 10$ and it works like a champ |
| 07:38.02 | Phazor | better than the otehr ones |
| 07:38.20 | sep | PoonJ, now that depends on where you are, here in norway everything is overpriced so i wont scare you away by mentioning numbers |
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| 07:38.27 | sep | (or i have no clue) |
| 07:38.28 | Phazor | its a airlink 80211g wireless pci adapter with antanne |
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| 07:39.35 | JVaughn | done.. finally finished setting up irssi the way i like it (I hate using windows under irc.. just gimme all the action in one window) |
| 07:39.44 | PoonJ | phazor |
| 07:39.49 | Phazor | ya |
| 07:39.55 | PoonJ | airlink+ uses the broadcom chipset right? |
| 07:40.10 | harryvetch | phaser, how do you like it? |
| 07:40.26 | harryvetch | poon, the broadcom is a new chip right? |
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| 07:40.33 | Phazor | er probly, it works |
| 07:40.47 | Phazor | i didnt configure it , it just works |
| 07:41.03 | harryvetch | ohh really. auto config ;) |
| 07:41.06 | Phazor | i use the kde app to find the nearest fastest wireless then it auto hops |
| 07:41.28 | Phazor | i dont give a crap about security, i dont even have my own wireless network |
| 07:41.32 | Phazor | neighbors do lol |
| 07:41.34 | JVaughn | phazor - hahahaha |
| 07:41.40 | PoonJ | heh |
| 07:41.40 | JVaughn | free inet :) |
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| 07:41.44 | Phazor | how do you think i download ISOs and play halflife |
| 07:41.54 | PoonJ | thats funny |
| 07:42.04 | carnage | whats the difference between apt and dselect |
| 07:42.07 | JVaughn | i can do that too. i have like 7 or 8 diff wireless networks i can see from here... but i already pay for mine and bleh |
| 07:42.07 | Phazor | most laptop wireless cant go 10 feet |
| 07:42.13 | Phazor | so my laptop sux |
| 07:42.17 | JVaughn | carnage - dselect is menu based |
| 07:42.22 | Phazor | but this pci card goes FAR |
| 07:42.32 | Phated | dselect sucks, apt doesn't. :) |
| 07:42.33 | Phazor | i see like 8 networks and get 3 REALLY good |
| 07:42.35 | kreg | is there a way to make samba guest access require a password? |
| 07:42.44 | PoonJ | are you using debian? |
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| 07:43.14 | Phazor | I use many distros, Fedora auto detected it, Gentoo i just set it up with "DHCP" |
| 07:43.23 | PoonJ | interesting...okay |
| 07:43.23 | Phazor | i try out all versions |
| 07:43.32 | Phazor | im going to end up using debian most likely |
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| 07:43.49 | PoonJ | yeah, I'm trying to build a cheap HTPC box |
| 07:43.58 | PoonJ | so I'm trying to go cheap/generic on the wireless card |
| 07:44.00 | Phated | While you're in this channel, take off "most likely" would you? ;) |
| 07:44.01 | nile | how would one go about getting helvetica to work properply? |
| 07:44.07 | nile | properly* |
| 07:44.16 | PoonJ | Phated: ;) |
| 07:44.18 | Phated | Bah screw helvetica, verdana! |
| 07:44.20 | Phated | PoonJ: :) |
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| 07:44.48 | PoonJ | what about sound card support for turtle beach santa cruz cards |
| 07:44.53 | PoonJ | anyone heere have experience with that one? |
| 07:45.14 | JVaughn | travis - in your menu.lst |
| 07:45.21 | Phated | What the... Well if you're going to use a turtle... |
| 07:45.45 | Phated | I suggest you feed him well, it is VERY stressing to do all those halflife sounds. |
| 07:45.53 | PoonJ | heh |
| 07:45.54 | PoonJ | okay |
| 07:45.55 | peterS | PoonJ: no experience, but there are certainly drivers for that one |
| 07:46.07 | Phated | As well as the woodpecker behind your monitor, it's HELL pecking out >2000 fps. |
| 07:46.13 | JVaughn | turtle beach has great support under linux |
| 07:46.29 | Phazor | <Phated> While you're in this channel, take off "most likely" would you? ;) |
| 07:46.30 | Phazor | well |
| 07:46.39 | Phazor | im not going to lie i try all the linuxes |
| 07:46.50 | Phated | Phazor: Yes, but you like Debian more, don't you? :) |
| 07:46.53 | Phazor | debian and gentoo just happen to be really fun |
| 07:47.01 | harryvetch | btw, what is the apt-get xwindows files i need to download? |
| 07:47.03 | JVaughn | well there's only one linux :) |
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| 07:47.06 | Phated | GAH no not Gentoo noooo... But fair enough. |
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| 07:47.33 | Phated | RichiH: Oi, don't abuse wallops. |
| 07:47.39 | Phazor | Gentoo is awsome it just takes a bilion years to install |
| 07:47.55 | Phated | Let's waz lyrical about Gentoo in #gentoo, eh? :) |
| 07:48.02 | rich_ | People who use gentoo have a lot of problems that people who use debian don't have |
| 07:48.05 | Phated | Now who has Debian problems? :) |
| 07:48.09 | Guerin | not me |
| 07:48.11 | harryvetch | phazor, well then its not so great if you have a client breathing down your neck asking why its taking so long. |
| 07:48.31 | peterS | PoonJ: at least, I *thought* there were drivers for the Santa Cruz. now I can't verify that. |
| 07:48.38 | Phazor | i dont give a shit about clients, its a game server they can wait or they can go instane either way screw em |
| 07:48.44 | PoonJ | yeah...I thouht there were too...but I couldn't find them either |
| 07:48.54 | PoonJ | what about the audigy2? |
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| 07:49.16 | Phazor | When is the next version of debian coming out? |
| 07:49.18 | JVaughn | i know i've seen turtle beach santa cruz |
| 07:49.19 | PoonJ | I found that.. |
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| 07:49.22 | JVaughn | isn't it directly in the kernel? |
| 07:49.26 | peterS | PoonJ: the audigy2 is supported by both the emu10k1 drivers and its own audigy2 driver, I think |
| 07:49.27 | Phazor | I really want to try it |
| 07:49.29 | PoonJ | the TBSC? |
| 07:49.35 | JVaughn | poonj - i thought so |
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| 07:49.36 | peterS | PoonJ: I don't know the details of that |
| 07:49.38 | PoonJ | peterS: yeah..found it |
| 07:49.50 | shantanoo | back |
| 07:49.56 | PoonJ | I think I'll just see if I can get an older audigy or live! 5.1 card |
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| 07:50.30 | Qapf | yello thar, i have a 2.6 kernel image from apt running on my machine with input, usb, usb-uhci and hid all modprobed, but my usb mouse isnt showing up at /dev/input/mouse0 or /dev/input/mice, anyone have any clue what ive missed? |
| 07:50.48 | Phazor | got hotplug? |
| 07:50.53 | Qapf | checkin |
| 07:50.57 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:51.04 | Phazor | also check your kernel options |
| 07:51.11 | Phazor | make sure usb support is in |
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| 07:51.41 | Qapf | hotplug not found as a module, and im running the generic 2.6 kernel image you get off apt, so if memory serves it has support for everything as a module |
| 07:51.48 | peterS | PoonJ: well, the emu10k1 driver certainly makes reference to Audigy2 models in a few places. |
| 07:51.49 | Qapf | dmesg is seeing the device when plugged in |
| 07:51.56 | peterS | PoonJ: support may or may not be complete, but apparently it is there |
| 07:52.19 | harryvetch | phated, thanks for the help got the static from that command. |
| 07:52.28 | Phated | harryvetch: Woohoo. :) |
| 07:52.38 | harryvetch | phated, though...did it again and nothing. |
| 07:52.39 | harryvetch | :) |
| 07:52.46 | Phazor | hotplug is the win |
| 07:52.47 | Phated | My god he's a demon... He isn't screaming "argh ym ears!" |
| 07:52.57 | Phated | harryvetch: How odd. Did you reboot, perchance? |
| 07:53.06 | scarynetworkguy | clearly he is here to eat our souls. |
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| 07:53.26 | harryvetch | phated, nope just did it again after it completed to show wife and it started..ie, did not goto prompt and no sound. |
| 07:53.27 | harryvetch | :) |
| 07:53.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: See what helix said some time ago re soulsucking and debian. |
| 07:53.38 | Phated | harryvetch: Interesting. |
| 07:53.40 | mr_claus | hi, i upgrade my sarge and not my ldap database is empty, any ideas why? |
| 07:53.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nod* |
| 07:53.54 | Qapf | Phazor how do i get hotplug, module or program? |
| 07:53.56 | scarynetworkguy | !any ideas |
| 07:53.56 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 rabid badgers. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 07:54.00 | Qapf | program |
| 07:54.04 | Qapf | apting, nevermind me, im stupid |
| 07:54.11 | Qapf | seemingly always in fact |
| 07:54.15 | Phated | Yeesh go apt already. :) |
| 07:54.16 | harryvetch | phated, what would that mean ??? |
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| 07:54.33 | Phated | harryvetch: Well it means that IME something never just stops working. |
| 07:54.41 | peterS | harryvetch: you rebooted and then sound stopped working? is that what you say? |
| 07:54.49 | Phated | peterS: He didn't. |
| 07:54.55 | Qapf | mouse exists, many a thanks kind deamons of #debian |
| 07:55.06 | Phated | peterS: It's not going to be as easy as "reload the modules". |
| 07:55.11 | harryvetch | peter, no have not rebooted. I just excuted the command phated gave me a secon time that time there was no sound. |
| 07:55.26 | Qapf | or rather, i thought it existed, but x says it doesnt |
| 07:55.27 | peterS | harryvetch: no other changes? that's exceedingly odd |
| 07:55.35 | harryvetch | no other changes |
| 07:55.43 | Phated | peterS: Thus <Phated> Interesting. |
| 07:55.47 | peterS | yes |
| 07:55.53 | Phated | Yes. |
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| 07:56.02 | harryvetch | I have executed that command again...no sound and its hanging. ie, its not returning to the prompt. |
| 07:56.07 | Phated | Also as per any lazy person... It's your turn. |
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| 07:56.11 | peterS | ha |
| 07:56.14 | Phated | harryvetch: Kill it off and try again? |
| 07:56.25 | Phated | Ctrl-C. |
| 07:56.30 | harryvetch | yea |
| 07:56.31 | peterS | harryvetch: have you got any actual audio apps? you should try an actual audio app, if you have one |
| 07:56.39 | Phated | mpg321! |
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| 07:56.43 | Phated | Or ogg123. |
| 07:56.46 | JVaughn | hehehe |
| 07:56.48 | JVaughn | or mpg123 :) |
| 07:56.51 | nornagon | okay, back. |
| 07:56.56 | Phated | See ogg is better... It knows how to count! |
| 07:57.01 | peterS | JVaughn: mpg123 is non-free. we don't talk about that in here. pollutes people's minds. |
| 07:57.08 | Phated | Haha. |
| 07:57.15 | harryvetch | nope, ctrl+c and resent the command same thing. |
| 07:57.16 | shantanoo | lol |
| 07:57.23 | JVaughn | it's not free? |
| 07:57.25 | Phated | Da-da-da-DUMMMMM... |
| 07:57.27 | harryvetch | peter, mmm midi something |
| 07:57.29 | Phated | JVaughn: It's not Free. |
| 07:57.32 | vaseco | how can i conecta to a WLAN? |
| 07:57.36 | JVaughn | apt-get install mpg123 |
| 07:57.41 | JVaughn | non-free but ... |
| 07:57.44 | Phated | Nooooo... |
| 07:57.45 | JVaughn | it works :) |
| 07:57.46 | harryvetch | k |
| 07:57.47 | peterS | Phated: the '123' in mpg123 wasn't just arbitrary. it meant the player could handle MPEG layer 1, layer 2 or layer 3 audio. the '123' in 'ogg123' is just "to make it look like mpg123". (: |
| 07:58.04 | jm_ | there's always mpg321 if you want it free |
| 07:58.11 | Phated | peterS: I knew that damnit. I was trying to joke. :) WHY DON'T YOU LET ME JOKE? |
| 07:58.36 | nornagon | Anyone remember my problem? XD |
| 07:58.37 | harryvetch | JV, okay done whats next? |
| 07:58.37 | Phated | Anyways it -still- proves ogg123 is better. It doesn't need layers! |
| 07:58.40 | mhannon | the mpeg formats are not libre |
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| 07:58.47 | Phated | Oh classy. |
| 07:58.56 | harryvetch | JVaughn okay done whats next |
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| 07:59.11 | scarynetworkguy | stupid layers suck. |
| 07:59.20 | Phated | Yeah tell that to an onion. :) |
| 07:59.24 | nornagon | I recently compiled myself a 2.6.9 kernel. It seems to work fine, no errors, so I copy .../linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot and set up lilo to recognise it. So I reboot into 2.6.9, but as soon as it's finished loading up the kernel to start booting, it comes up with a bunch of weird graphics and freezes. I presume it has something to do with a VGA console. Any ideas? |
| 07:59.26 | JVaughn | harryvtech - oh you did <JVaughn> apt-get install mpg123 ? (wasn't REALLLy directred towards you) but,... now play an mp3 |
| 07:59.28 | Phated | Or a parfait, everyone likes parfaits. |
| 07:59.39 | Qapf | how does one get Xconfigurator in debian, or alternatively, whats the program of choice to autodectect and put in all the appropirate settings for X |
| 07:59.41 | scarynetworkguy | What about Ogres? |
| 07:59.41 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: hey, there's nothing wrong with the mpeg format of multiplexing audio and video using 'layers' |
| 07:59.42 | Phated | I know, 'cos everyone likes parfaits. |
| 07:59.43 | harryvetch | JV, what dir are thay at? |
| 07:59.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrghhhh. |
| 07:59.49 | nornagon | Ogres are like onions. |
| 07:59.49 | JVaughn | harryvtech - www.madmaurice.com my band has mp3's try one of those (*bam* cheap) |
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| 07:59.56 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh. |
| 08:00.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 08:00.04 | nornagon | Everybody likes cakes! |
| 08:00.10 | JVaughn | harryvtech - where ever you put them |
| 08:00.14 | Phated | Cakes have layers too! |
| 08:00.22 | mr_claus | fu....., the ldap package destroyed really the whole db while upgrading, i cant believe that |
| 08:00.25 | peterS | Qapf: if you install 'discover' and a recent version of 'xserver-xfree86', it will mostly configure itself |
| 08:00.26 | harryvetch | jv, okay im not running xwindows :) |
| 08:00.27 | Phated | nornagon: You -do- know we're parodying here... |
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| 08:00.37 | Phated | harryvetch: elinks! |
| 08:00.39 | Phated | Or lynx! |
| 08:00.43 | peterS | Qapf: if you install 'mdetect' it will sometimes even get the mouse settings right |
| 08:00.46 | Phated | Learn to use a bloody console browser! |
| 08:00.46 | JVaughn | harryvetch - no need for X, lynx |
| 08:00.49 | harryvetch | k |
| 08:00.52 | harryvetch | i have that |
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| 08:01.04 | Phated | This message brought to you by the ascii ribbion against html email campaign. |
| 08:01.07 | ronino | hi |
| 08:01.09 | scarynetworkguy | YAY!!! |
| 08:01.09 | JVaughn | lynx+slang libraries was the best thing since virtual consoles :) |
| 08:01.21 | Phated | Meh |
| 08:01.21 | ronino | how can i turn off anti-aliasing as a normal user? |
| 08:01.22 | Phated | Elinks! |
| 08:01.36 | Phated | Er no ronino that's not the answer to your question. |
| 08:01.38 | ronino | the fonts look ugly no matter if i start a kde or gnome program |
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| 08:01.58 | Phated | Well duh it's a KDE/GNOME problem. |
| 08:01.59 | JVaughn | elinks eh? i've just used lynx for years tho |
| 08:02.14 | Phated | JVaughn: It's classier. Less colourful. *shudder* |
| 08:02.26 | Phated | JVaughn: And I -really- like links2 -g in X. |
| 08:02.33 | mhannon | a question: what installer, if any, would you reccomend for a ftp install over pppoe? |
| 08:02.41 | Phated | Meh it works almost exactly like lynx, but prettier. |
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| 08:02.56 | scarynetworkguy | links is *very* nice. |
| 08:03.12 | JVaughn | phated - no mozilla? :)) |
| 08:03.13 | Phated | elinks, elinks. |
| 08:03.20 | Phated | JVaughn: Firefox. :) Moz too heavy. |
| 08:03.31 | harryvetch | baaa, im logged in as su but dont know where it downloaded that mp3 file to. |
| 08:03.40 | JVaughn | i mean firefox |
| 08:03.46 | hemicuda | updatedb && locate, harryvetch ;) |
| 08:03.55 | Phated | JVaughn: And no, I don't use thunderbird, but I am eagerly spreading the word that mutt can be used to fetch imap. :) |
| 08:04.04 | JVaughn | mutt rocks dude |
| 08:04.08 | ronino | hmm |
| 08:04.09 | harryvetch | hem, okay |
| 08:04.11 | Phated | HECK yes. |
| 08:04.14 | vaseco | how can i connect to a _wifi_ network ?? |
| 08:04.15 | Phated | harryvetch: Do this. |
| 08:04.22 | yhg | So does Gmail. ;) |
| 08:04.25 | Phated | harryvetch: updatedb && locate *.mp3. :) |
| 08:04.37 | harryvetch | k |
| 08:04.40 | Phated | See this is why you like linux... :) |
| 08:05.04 | JVaughn | hrm, i do kinda like elinks... |
| 08:05.21 | Phated | JVaughn: It's not as Crayola-explosion as lynx, no? :) |
| 08:05.42 | JVaughn | yah, it's default scheme under debian is nice... all tho that's basically ho i have lynx configured to look like |
| 08:05.42 | Phated | peterS was the one that sicced me onto it anyways. |
| 08:05.49 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:05.52 | peterS | yeah, yeah, blame peterS. |
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| 08:05.58 | Phated | And to think you could have saved all that work. |
| 08:06.10 | Phated | peterS: Bah turn on your thank-detection. |
| 08:06.12 | JVaughn | phated - hehe that's kinda what i'm laughing at :) |
| 08:06.12 | nornagon | his, even. |
| 08:06.23 | mhannon | q: 1. can one do a network install of debian over pppoe? 2. what installer is best for this? |
| 08:06.24 | peterS | Phated: now who's missing the humor detector? (: |
| 08:06.28 | Phated | JVaughn: :) |
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| 08:06.43 | Phated | peterS: :P Good one, I'll admit... :) |
| 08:06.48 | JVaughn | mhannon - i believe if you get hd-media install under sarge and netinst.iso it can |
| 08:06.48 | Phazor | 1) Yes 2) a network boot cd |
| 08:06.51 | Phazor | but |
| 08:06.55 | Phated | No buts! |
| 08:06.59 | Phazor | its best to download and burn ISO |
| 08:07.07 | Phazor | or download the whole tree to a network computer |
| 08:07.09 | harryvetch | phated and all. Got this: Cant find suitable libao driver (is device in use?) |
| 08:07.13 | JVaughn | well.. i'm lame with no cd-burner |
| 08:07.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phazor: Do as you've been told. |
| 08:07.17 | Phazor | because what if you have to update/reinstall |
| 08:07.18 | JVaughn | i've always done hd-media :) |
| 08:07.26 | Phated | harryvetch: Lovely, lovely... ps aux | grep dsp? |
| 08:07.26 | nile | is there a way to uninstall the programs that aren't needed? (reverse dependency issue, I guess) |
| 08:07.29 | mhannon | I ask because I have no working cdrom |
| 08:07.33 | Phazor | what is that sposed to mean scarynetworkguy |
| 08:07.35 | harryvetch | phated okay |
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| 08:07.46 | Phated | nile: Try something like debfoster. Fun and easy. |
| 08:07.53 | nerval | Question : While trying to open files with xmms; it appears "oss driver 1.2.10" error. But I can't open & listen the same file with other media players. Anyone knows what might be my problem? Thank you for your help. |
| 08:07.54 | Phated | Not suitable for children under 2. |
| 08:07.58 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm debfoster. |
| 08:07.59 | nile | thanks Phated |
| 08:08.08 | Phated | nile: No problem, have a nice day. |
| 08:08.18 | nile | nerval, have you tried using the alsa output driver? |
| 08:08.26 | mhannon | thanks, hand |
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| 08:08.49 | nerval | nile : i saw it on synaptic but I haven't downloaded yet, I'll give a try right now. thank you ! |
| 08:08.51 | harryvetch | phated, got three lines showing it running in memory right? |
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| 08:09.11 | Phated | harryvetch: Ah, nice. Join #flood and paste them? :) |
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| 08:09.22 | Phated | harryvetch: Do not paste them in here. |
| 08:09.25 | harryvetch | okay how to copy paste from bitchx? |
| 08:09.38 | Phated | Do you have gpm? |
| 08:09.55 | harryvetch | its not installed i just moved it no mouse moving ;) |
| 08:10.01 | Phated | Ah oh well. |
| 08:10.05 | JVaughn | apt-get install gpm brotha |
| 08:10.09 | harryvetch | k |
| 08:10.10 | Phated | What he said. |
| 08:10.14 | Phated | gpm rules. |
| 08:10.17 | Phated | Like nothing else. |
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| 08:10.33 | scarynetworkguy | gpm and screen and irssi make for pure bliss. |
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| 08:10.42 | ChristianP | hi all |
| 08:10.46 | Phated | A-MEN. |
| 08:11.10 | scarynetworkguy | A-MEN. |
| 08:11.20 | nornagon | Shouldn't it be "A MAN"? |
| 08:11.30 | ChristianP | there's no way to get x-chat beep working? (ver. 2.4.0) |
| 08:11.38 | Phated | No we're doing the religious fervour thing, nornagon. |
| 08:11.41 | harryvetch | baaa, mabey i should have made some changed to the gpm now it wants to hang at the top of the screen. |
| 08:11.57 | Phated | Relax, rehighlight. |
| 08:12.11 | harryvetch | mabey i should reboot :) |
| 08:12.16 | Phated | No, no. |
| 08:12.24 | Phated | Try /etc/init.d/gpm restart. |
| 08:12.26 | hemicuda | Hrng! Don't do that! |
| 08:12.32 | Phated | What hemicuda said. |
| 08:12.48 | Phated | Rebooting is for the faint of heart and Windows-addicted. |
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| 08:12.55 | hemicuda | yep |
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| 08:13.13 | hemicuda | Rebooting is for adding new hardware. |
| 08:13.23 | Phated | Or for a new kernel. |
| 08:13.26 | Phated | And nothing else! |
| 08:13.47 | harryvetch | ack.. no luck. gpm is hanging around top edge of screen and is copying to buffer and pasting to screen when simply moving the mouse. |
| 08:13.48 | shantanoo | hotswap h/w doesn't need rebooting |
| 08:14.00 | chealer | uptime : 36 days, 17:05 :) I never got that on windows |
| 08:14.06 | Phated | Lovely. |
| 08:14.09 | harryvetch | heheh |
| 08:14.25 | TekEmperor | Okay, "Error" "Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found" |
| 08:14.27 | TekEmperor | What up with that/ |
| 08:14.29 | hemicuda | harryvetch, you got the wrong mouse protocol |
| 08:14.32 | Phated | harryvetch: Did you make any changes during the gpm config? Like setting silly repeater rates? |
| 08:14.36 | TekEmperor | When my puter boots I see the emu10k1 load. |
| 08:14.39 | harryvetch | i have a two button logitec with wheel. ps2 |
| 08:14.47 | hemicuda | try im/ps2 |
| 08:14.48 | harryvetch | hem, i figured so. |
| 08:14.49 | harryvetch | :) |
| 08:14.58 | harryvetch | where to edit it? /etc/gpm? |
| 08:15.00 | peterS | harryvetch: don't listen to hemicuda. Protocol "PS/2" is correct |
| 08:15.11 | peterS | harryvetch: /etc/gpm.conf if you are using gpm, protocol=ps2 |
| 08:15.14 | hemicuda | hmm.. ok |
| 08:15.16 | harryvetch | k |
| 08:15.30 | peterS | harryvetch: if you aren't using gpm, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, Option "Protocol" "PS/2" |
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| 08:15.57 | peterS | harryvetch: kernel 2.2, 2.4 or 2.6, btw? |
| 08:17.00 | harryvetch | where in gpm.conf do i need to add/edit it |
| 08:17.07 | Phated | protocol. |
| 08:17.10 | harryvetch | 2.6 |
| 08:17.15 | nornagon | I recently compiled myself a 2.6.9 kernel. It seems to work fine, no errors, so I copy .../linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage to /boot and set up lilo to recognise it. So I reboot into 2.6.9, but as soon as it's finished loading up the kernel to start booting, it comes up with a bunch of weird graphics and freezes. I presume it has something to do with a VGA console. Any ideas? |
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| 08:17.26 | harryvetch | funny, there is no protocol statment |
| 08:17.27 | peterS | harryvetch: cool. in that case tell it device=/dev/input/mice |
| 08:17.28 | JVaughn | device=/dev/ps"blah" |
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| 08:17.36 | JVaughn | or that |
| 08:17.40 | harryvetch | okay see device |
| 08:17.41 | peterS | harryvetch: oh, type=ps2 |
| 08:17.46 | nornagon | device=/dev/psaux? |
| 08:17.50 | harryvetch | yes |
| 08:17.53 | flash_muppet | how do I get xmms to play a music cd? |
| 08:17.56 | peterS | harryvetch: sorry, I should have remembered it was type= not protocol= |
| 08:17.58 | harryvetch | nor, yes |
| 08:17.58 | JVaughn | if you do type=autops2, won't it pick up WHICH ps/2 |
| 08:18.01 | JVaughn | imps2 etc etc |
| 08:18.09 | peterS | JVaughn: normally yes |
| 08:18.17 | harryvetch | its set to autops |
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| 08:18.32 | harryvetch | by default |
| 08:18.32 | JVaughn | i would try it, but i gots no ps/2 |
| 08:18.39 | JVaughn | ;p |
| 08:18.44 | harryvetch | its already set to autops |
| 08:18.48 | Phated | ps2 works. |
| 08:18.50 | Phated | :) |
| 08:18.54 | harryvetch | so do ps2 |
| 08:19.01 | harryvetch | ? |
| 08:19.05 | Phated | As tested by me. |
| 08:19.08 | peterS | harryvetch: in gpm.conf, yes, type=ps2 |
| 08:19.08 | Phated | Yes, do ps2. |
| 08:19.08 | harryvetch | k |
| 08:19.10 | JVaughn | so it's on autops2? |
| 08:19.15 | JVaughn | hat's your device pointed to? |
| 08:19.45 | JVaughn | nornagon - hat's your vga= option under /etc/lilo.conf ? |
| 08:20.05 | helix | !test |
| 08:20.05 | helix | bah. |
| 08:20.05 | dpkg | Yes, helix, you're still online. |
| 08:20.07 | nornagon | JVaughn: I tried booting with vga=ask. |
| 08:20.18 | harryvetch | baaa, same thing. changed it to type=ps2 and same thing |
| 08:20.22 | Phazor | so how does cedega run on debian + geforce drivers? |
| 08:20.23 | JVaughn | try doing vga=normal see if that atleast lets you booot |
| 08:20.24 | nornagon | typing "scan" hangs, I think, and I don't know how big my console is. |
| 08:20.29 | harryvetch | let me check the config im sure it saved |
| 08:20.33 | peterS | harryvetch: are you complaining about the mouse in X or the mouse at your text console? |
| 08:20.44 | JVaughn | make sure to run lilo again tho after you change it |
| 08:20.48 | JVaughn | to re-install it |
| 08:20.52 | nornagon | JVaughn: I did. |
| 08:20.55 | harryvetch | yea, it saved |
| 08:20.59 | nornagon | Oh. |
| 08:21.00 | harryvetch | text console |
| 08:21.15 | JVaughn | ok well try vga=normal and see if that lets you boot |
| 08:21.23 | nornagon | JVaughn: kay, thanks. |
| 08:21.28 | harryvetch | peter text console |
| 08:21.32 | peterS | harryvetch: and what's it doing wrong? did you do '/etc/init.d/gpm restart' after changing gpm.conf? |
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| 08:21.40 | harryvetch | yes |
| 08:21.43 | harryvetch | peter yes |
| 08:21.44 | JVaughn | if it does, then it's something wrong with your framebuffer... make sure you have frambuffer console support in your kernel? start there |
| 08:21.48 | harryvetch | restarted |
| 08:21.53 | JVaughn | maybe you forgot to include it |
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| 08:22.06 | nornagon | JVaughn: thanks. I think I might have, because my card totally sucks. |
| 08:22.25 | harryvetch | anyway, i need to get this sound working hehe :) |
| 08:22.35 | peterS | harryvetch: oh, I totally forgot to tell you. make sure two modules are loaded. "mousedev" and "psmouse" |
| 08:22.37 | harryvetch | which it should be working :) |
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| 08:22.45 | harryvetch | ahhh |
| 08:22.47 | harryvetch | okay |
| 08:22.48 | harryvetch | heheh |
| 08:22.54 | harryvetch | apt-getinstall psmouse |
| 08:22.58 | harryvetch | mousedev ;) |
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| 08:23.04 | peterS | harryvetch: no, "modprobe" |
| 08:23.08 | harryvetch | okay |
| 08:23.11 | harryvetch | sorry |
| 08:23.16 | harryvetch | was not thnking |
| 08:24.06 | faxo | hi |
| 08:24.13 | fooz | hell |
| 08:24.27 | Phated | Ho. |
| 08:24.31 | Phated | Ho. :) |
| 08:24.34 | faxo | hey ho hey ho |
| 08:24.35 | faxo | :) |
| 08:24.41 | harryvetch | modprobe: cannot locate psmouse |
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| 08:24.43 | Phated | It's out of here you go. |
| 08:24.55 | fooz | isn't it psaux? |
| 08:24.55 | peterS | harryvetch: you are running kernel 2.6 and you cannot locate psmouse? |
| 08:25.03 | peterS | fooz: the module name? only in kernel 2.0 or so |
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| 08:25.06 | harryvetch | yes 2.6 |
| 08:25.14 | harryvetch | no sorry |
| 08:25.15 | harryvetch | 2.4 |
| 08:25.16 | fooz | peterS, 2.2 and 2.4 also |
| 08:25.28 | fooz | hrm, nm |
| 08:25.30 | peterS | fooz: in 2.4, the psaux code cannot be a module. I don't remember which way 2.2 is |
| 08:25.34 | Phated | Did you compile it yourself, perchance? |
| 08:25.38 | harryvetch | 2.4.27 |
| 08:25.46 | TekEmperor | I don't get it, why doesn't sound work? |
| 08:25.46 | lorenzo | hi I'm experiencing problems upgrading with dist-upgrade my sarge box |
| 08:25.47 | peterS | harryvetch: if you're using kernel 2.4, use device "/dev/psaux" rather than, as I recommended earlier, "/dev/input/mice" |
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| 08:25.53 | peterS | harryvetch: and you don't need the 'mousedev' module loaded |
| 08:26.10 | harryvetch | peter device = ? |
| 08:26.23 | lorenzo | How safe is apt-get -f dist-upgrade? |
| 08:26.37 | fooz | why do you need -f? |
| 08:26.46 | lorenzo | let me show you: |
| 08:26.51 | JVaughn | lorenzo: kinda at your own risk as of now, what are the errors you're getting? |
| 08:27.05 | peterS | lorenzo: I prefer apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 08:27.06 | JVaughn | all tho i keep this machine small |
| 08:27.10 | lorenzo | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:27.10 | lorenzo | Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto |
| 08:27.10 | lorenzo | Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto |
| 08:27.10 | lorenzo | È consigliabile eseguire `apt-get -f install' per correggere questi problemi. |
| 08:27.10 | lorenzo | I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: |
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| 08:27.20 | fooz | hrm |
| 08:27.20 | harryvetch | peter, that dev/psaux is already set in gpm.conf |
| 08:27.29 | JVaughn | lorenzo - don't know that language only english... no pasting please |
| 08:27.30 | laicosa_ | does someone have any clue about the kbdrequest stuff ? |
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| 08:27.57 | lorenzo | I'm experiencing problems with juk and libmagick |
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| 08:28.02 | peterS | harryvetch: so what exactly does gpm do, or not do? I'm not sure if I ever saw you say |
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| 08:28.12 | lorenzo | I tried to remove them butit seems to be hard |
| 08:28.20 | peterS | harryvetch: i.e., does it make the mouse move erratically, or just not show the cursor at all, or what? |
| 08:28.20 | pro | morning all, what is the command to bing up the exim4 configuration program ( the dialog one )? |
| 08:28.23 | soulreaper | since my last upgrade on testing i can't log in to kde anymore. after i enter my password i get back to the logins screen. in the syslog it says kdm_greet: Can't open default user face |
| 08:28.50 | harryvetch | well, the mouse cursor shoots to the top of the screen and when you move the mouse around with no button interaction it copys and paste the text at the top of the screen to a > arrow at the bottom. |
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| 08:28.56 | pro | soulreaper, are you loging in as root? |
| 08:28.57 | lorenzo | I tried to se apt-get -f install but with no success |
| 08:29.05 | fooz | lorenzo, are you running unstable? |
| 08:29.16 | lorenzo | testing/unstable |
| 08:29.22 | fooz | which? |
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| 08:29.31 | lorenzo | debian |
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| 08:29.32 | fooz | you need to check your sources.list and see what you've set there |
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| 08:29.48 | pro | soulreaper, or login with gdm or something, just get into X and run kcontrole then go to the KDM part and see what you can change there. |
| 08:29.56 | lorenzo | I have two sources list esting and unstable |
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| 08:30.09 | harryvetch | what other options in gpm.conf can i mess with that may correct this? |
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| 08:30.30 | lorenzo | nothing weird |
| 08:30.47 | maestro[] | harryvetch: Wrong protocol or strange repeater settings? |
| 08:31.01 | fooz | lorenzo, can you set your locale to english and paste the error message on #flood? |
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| 08:31.30 | soulreaper | pro: i can't get in that is my problem |
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| 08:32.12 | lorenzo | fooz...well how can I set the locales? :-P |
| 08:32.21 | fooz | I think it's the LANG variable |
| 08:32.21 | harryvetch | ma, dont know |
| 08:32.23 | harryvetch | mae |
| 08:32.31 | lorenzo | well |
| 08:32.35 | harryvetch | what other protocols can i use? |
| 08:32.37 | lorenzo | gimme one minute |
| 08:32.46 | JVaughn | it is LANG |
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| 08:32.48 | harryvetch | gpm protocols |
| 08:32.50 | maestro[] | lorenzo: check dpkg-reconfigure locales as well |
| 08:33.12 | fooz | C should always be available |
| 08:33.32 | pro | soulreaper press CTRL+ALT+F2 and login and type killall -9 kdm then type xinit /usr/bin/X11/xterm then in the xterm type kcontrole |
| 08:33.35 | maestro[] | fooz: Oh, he want's to switch back to C... didn't pay attention :) |
| 08:33.40 | lorenzo | is it set LANG= or something? |
| 08:33.49 | soulreaper | ok i'll try |
| 08:33.53 | fooz | nah, I want him to -- my italian's not so good |
| 08:34.01 | fooz | lorenzo, LANG=C <your apt command here> |
| 08:34.07 | lorenzo | ok |
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| 08:34.17 | pro | does no one know what is the command to bring up the exim4 config program ( the one written with dialog) ? |
| 08:34.40 | lorenzo | done |
| 08:34.43 | peterS | pro: probably dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 08:34.49 | lorenzo | it's in flood |
| 08:34.56 | fooz | lorenzo, have you apt-get update'd lately? |
| 08:35.00 | pro | peterS, nope tried that first |
| 08:35.02 | lorenzo | sure |
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| 08:35.34 | fooz | lorenzo, lately as in today? |
| 08:35.38 | lorenzo | problems with some package? |
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| 08:35.42 | maestro[] | fooz: I can translate it you really can't manage to switch the locale |
| 08:35.44 | lorenzo | yes this morning |
| 08:36.02 | fooz | maestro[], he managed just fine.. |
| 08:36.05 | lorenzo | but te problems has occured yesterday |
| 08:36.07 | fooz | lorenzo, try again right now then |
| 08:36.09 | maestro[] | fooz: k :) |
| 08:36.14 | fooz | lorenzo, because those versions are out of date |
| 08:36.26 | faxo | just beginning a clean install of firefox |
| 08:36.32 | faxo | how do you launch a .bin ? |
| 08:36.44 | lorenzo | same story |
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| 08:36.44 | lorenzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.49 | fooz | lorenzo, you SURE you have an unstable URL in sources.list? |
| 08:36.56 | maestro[] | faxo: chmod 755 <file> && ./<file> |
| 08:36.57 | lorenzo | sure.. |
| 08:37.02 | lorenzo | let me explain |
| 08:37.11 | lorenzo | yestrday I updated the database |
| 08:37.22 | lorenzo | I did an apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:37.30 | faxo | ./sh firefox-installer works |
| 08:37.38 | lorenzo | and apt-get remved trm |
| 08:37.49 | lorenzo | I didn't see it |
| 08:37.58 | lorenzo | xchm had problems |
| 08:38.09 | lorenzo | I couldn't upgrae the package |
| 08:38.14 | lorenzo | let me show you |
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| 08:38.34 | fooz | lorenzo, well, that error message is talking about libmagick6 6:6.0.6.2-1.4 and debian has 6:6.0.6.2-1.5 |
| 08:38.39 | sobersabre | hi... i created a custom kernel with make-kpkg, installed it. no initrd. |
| 08:38.43 | fooz | and a newer juk too |
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| 08:38.46 | lorenzo | that is strange |
| 08:38.50 | fooz | lorenzo, try just 'apt-get install imagemagick' |
| 08:38.50 | lorenzo | I know |
| 08:38.51 | sobersabre | id won't find root partition |
| 08:38.57 | streuner | sobersabre: /msg dpkg kp |
| 08:39.08 | lorenzo | the package is downloaded and ready foer theinstallation |
| 08:39.15 | streuner | sobersabre: and read newbiedoc.sf.net section KERNEL-HOWTO |
| 08:39.40 | harryvetch | yea, this gpm is not working right. anyway. |
| 08:39.56 | streuner | sobersabre: grep INITRD your_config and tell us the output |
| 08:40.01 | harryvetch | now i forget who was working with me on the sound :) |
| 08:40.19 | streuner | harryvetch: /msg dpkg sound |
| 08:40.31 | fooz | lorenzo, which unstable mirror are you using? |
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| 08:40.47 | harryvetch | sound is working. |
| 08:41.04 | streuner | harryvetch: so why you bother us then :-) |
| 08:41.06 | lorenzo | in flood |
| 08:41.08 | harryvetch | just trying to run mpg321 |
| 08:41.10 | lorenzo | You see...it's the same with testing and with unstable |
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| 08:41.15 | lorenzo | the italian one |
| 08:41.18 | harryvetch | st, to test it. |
| 08:41.25 | harryvetch | rb |
| 08:41.28 | harryvetch | brb |
| 08:41.28 | streuner | harryvetch: use the nick to adress us, please. |
| 08:41.38 | harryvetch | k |
| 08:42.05 | fooz | lorenzo, try apt-get install imagemagick juk |
| 08:42.08 | fooz | lorenzo, no -t options |
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| 08:42.57 | lorenzo | mind that I have kde 3.3.1 from unstable |
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| 08:43.05 | fooz | lorenzo, ok.. see, it all depends on trm |
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| 08:43.14 | fooz | whatever that is.. |
| 08:43.15 | lorenzo | trm...that batard :-) |
| 08:43.37 | fooz | hrm... juk here doesn't depend on trm.. and apt doesn't know about trm |
| 08:43.39 | lorenzo | and I'm not able to uninstall xchm or juk |
| 08:43.46 | streuner | fooz: how is the weather in ca? ;-) |
| 08:43.52 | fooz | i'm in ca? |
| 08:44.00 | streuner | no? |
| 08:44.06 | fooz | no |
| 08:44.07 | streuner | california |
| 08:44.13 | fooz | nah, /whois me, i'm in las vegas |
| 08:44.18 | fooz | :( |
| 08:44.33 | fooz | lorenzo, what error do you get on remove? |
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| 08:45.31 | lorenzo | flood |
| 08:45.49 | fooz | crap. your mime database might be hosed or something |
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| 08:46.24 | fooz | lorenzo, if you run update-mime, does it segfault? |
| 08:46.32 | lorenzo | I have a couple of packages messed up |
| 08:46.46 | lorenzo | yes |
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| 08:47.02 | fooz | lorenzo, see if your /etc/mime.types and /etc/mailcap.order look trashed |
| 08:47.23 | Sumi_ | hi |
| 08:47.34 | haryv | brb |
| 08:47.45 | Sumi_ | Anybody with any idea, why is XFree86 extremly slow on an alpha? |
| 08:47.51 | lorenzo | mailcap is more thn messed up :-) |
| 08:48.00 | fooz | lorenzo, mailcap.order or mailcap? |
| 08:48.03 | lorenzo | it's really bad |
| 08:48.07 | lorenzo | mailcap |
| 08:48.12 | lorenzo | /etc/mailcap |
| 08:48.17 | fooz | mailcap is generated by update-mime |
| 08:48.32 | fooz | wait, maybe it's not. i don't know. hold on |
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| 08:48.56 | fooz | nah it's not.. OK |
| 08:49.10 | nile | do I need JDK or JRE in order to use Java in firefox? |
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| 08:49.18 | sijork | nile: JRE |
| 08:49.21 | fooz | lorenzo, well that sucks.. mv /etc/mailcap to /etc/mailcap.broken and touch /etc/mailcap |
| 08:49.24 | sijork | nile: But JDK will work also. |
| 08:49.25 | nile | thanks sijork =) |
| 08:49.26 | fooz | lorenzo, and see if update-mime runs |
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| 08:50.28 | lorenzo | no |
| 08:50.34 | lorenzo | segmentation fault |
| 08:50.38 | fooz | heh |
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| 08:51.18 | fooz | lorenzo, look in all the files in /usr/lib/mime/ to see if you can spot which one is adding garbage to /etc/mailcap |
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| 08:51.45 | mr_claus | could anybody help me out with sasl, i upgraded sarge and now i get the following message in my auth.log |
| 08:51.46 | mr_claus | [saslauthd] pam_ldap: error trying to bind (Invalid credentials) |
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| 08:52.20 | mr_claus | that appears only if i try to send an email with postfix with smtp-auth |
| 08:52.22 | lorenzo | I have xchm too |
| 08:52.29 | mr_claus | pop is working well |
| 08:52.44 | lorenzo | in /usr/lib/mime/packages |
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| 08:52.53 | fooz | lorenzo, but is the xchm file trashed? |
| 08:53.14 | Sumi_ | Anybody with any idea, why is XFree86 extremly slow on an alpha? |
| 08:53.43 | lorenzo | flood |
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| 08:53.55 | fooz | that's not trashed |
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| 08:54.01 | lorenzo | ... |
| 08:54.03 | fooz | lorenzo, did you see obvious garbage in /etc/mailcap or something? |
| 08:54.22 | lorenzo | more /etc/mailcap |
| 08:54.27 | lorenzo | wait |
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| 08:54.49 | witless | anyone know of a script to extract all hyperlinks in a web page to a text file? |
| 08:55.06 | fooz | witless, lynx can probably do that |
| 08:55.20 | lorenzo | maybe /etc/mailcap it'snot broken... |
| 08:55.25 | peterS | fooz: yeah, lynx -dump, parse the output looking for all the [n] references at the bottom (: |
| 08:55.56 | fooz | lorenzo, are you a programmer? |
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| 08:56.01 | lorenzo | no... |
| 08:56.04 | fooz | hmm |
| 08:56.07 | lorenzo | I'd like to |
| 08:56.09 | harryvv | mouse is working after this reboot. |
| 08:56.09 | lorenzo | :-P |
| 08:56.15 | peterS | harryvv: oh cool |
| 08:56.19 | witless | peterS: fooz: thx |
| 08:56.40 | lorenzo | ut listen apt-get -f dist-upgrade...pros and cons |
| 08:56.44 | lorenzo | ? |
| 08:56.54 | harryvv | peter dont know what caused the problem. now what command to find a mp3 and play it? was it upgrade or update && locate file name? |
| 08:56.55 | fooz | lorenzo, it won't help you |
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| 08:57.03 | lorenzo | why? |
| 08:57.19 | fooz | lorenzo, something's broken on your system.. any package which depends on update-mime will fail installing, and with broken packages you can't install more packages |
| 08:57.28 | fooz | lorenzo, you need to fix the problem you're having |
| 08:57.48 | lorenzo | can I send you the mailcap file? |
| 08:57.52 | harryvv | peter? |
| 08:57.55 | fooz | you can try |
| 08:58.07 | lorenzo | the broken one? |
| 08:58.09 | lorenzo | ok |
| 08:58.09 | dondelelcaro | lorenzo: if update-mime is segfaulting, you need to figure out why that is happening and fix it. |
| 08:58.39 | fooz | lorenzo, see if you have strace installed (run 'strace update-mime') if you do, send me the output of that |
| 08:58.45 | harryvv | is this command right? upgrade && locate *.mp3 if im trying to find any mp3 file? |
| 08:58.46 | fooz | i doubt you have strace if you're not a programmer though |
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| 08:59.03 | helix | fooz: name my kitten. he looks like a bat. |
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| 08:59.06 | peterS | harryvv: if you didn't put any mp3 files on your machine, there won't be any |
| 08:59.14 | fooz | helix, hmm |
| 08:59.23 | peterS | fooz: she already vetoed Batista and Batulism |
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| 08:59.27 | harryvv | peter, there are three. i forgot the command to find them again. |
| 08:59.29 | fooz | heh |
| 08:59.42 | peterS | harryvv: 'updatedb' then 'locate \*.mp3' |
| 08:59.48 | JVaughn | .lastlog harryvv |
| 08:59.51 | harryvv | okay thats it updatdb |
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| 09:00.01 | peterS | harryvv: updatedb, with the 'e' in it |
| 09:00.04 | helix | fooz: you suck, I'm finding someone else |
| 09:00.07 | harryvv | yes |
| 09:00.15 | rmrfchik | how to install themes and add-ons for mozilla as regular user? I'm getting "error -202" |
| 09:00.24 | fooz | helix, suit yourself |
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| 09:00.39 | zu22 | any programs besides debfoster to clean up stuff i don't need on system such as non-english manual pages, app caches, .debs already installed etc..? |
| 09:00.42 | fooz | i'm bad at thinking up names |
| 09:00.49 | JVaughn | helix - herman |
| 09:00.56 | helix | no way! |
| 09:00.59 | fooz | i haven't named my car yet |
| 09:00.59 | JVaughn | haha |
| 09:01.01 | helix | who is herman? |
| 09:01.02 | peterS | 'batter' would be a good cat name. "hey, batter, batter, batter, batter, batter" |
| 09:01.07 | faxo | jaja |
| 09:01.10 | faxo | german ? |
| 09:01.11 | JVaughn | i don't know, but it'd be a funny name for a cat |
| 09:01.25 | dondelelcaro | peterS: that'd make me want to fry the cat in a wok... |
| 09:01.41 | peterS | dondelelcaro: if you cook with a wok, anything associated with bats would make you think of frying it |
| 09:01.43 | fooz | everyone i know names their cats pixel, voxel, texel, something along those lines |
| 09:01.46 | harryvv | my sound works playing the mpg |
| 09:01.47 | harryvv | :) |
| 09:01.58 | harryvv | playing the asterisk mp3 |
| 09:01.59 | harryvv | :) |
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| 09:02.11 | peterS | harryvv: cool! |
| 09:02.14 | harryvv | hehe |
| 09:02.15 | helix | human names are good |
| 09:02.15 | JVaughn | name your cat mr. butterwumpkins |
| 09:02.15 | witless | peterS: fooz: worked perfectly, thx |
| 09:02.20 | harryvv | nice sound. |
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| 09:02.24 | helix | JVaughn: haha, shut up |
| 09:02.44 | sijork | fooz: I would name my cat Vagina or Pussy. |
| 09:02.50 | fooz | helix, name it helixcode |
| 09:02.51 | JVaughn | or pinktaco |
| 09:02.57 | fooz | helix, or ximian. or novell |
| 09:03.08 | peterS | novell is not a very novel name |
| 09:03.17 | fooz | sijork, heh |
| 09:03.22 | helix | I'm not naming him anything computer related |
| 09:03.26 | witless | name it Steve. then you can go out in the yard and say "Steeeeve... come on boy. Come on Steve...." |
| 09:03.28 | JVaughn | anyone who has worked with novell wouldn't name their cat novell :) |
| 09:03.47 | fooz | helix, is this cat a boy or girl? |
| 09:03.52 | helix | well |
| 09:03.56 | helix | let's see |
| 09:03.58 | helix | I just called him "him" |
| 09:04.04 | fooz | overturn it and take a look |
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| 09:04.12 | fooz | oh |
| 09:04.12 | dondelelcaro | helix: is it a pre or post op? |
| 09:04.13 | JVaughn | name it les |
| 09:04.14 | fooz | sorry, i'm tired |
| 09:04.27 | peterS | dondelelcaro: maybe it's infix |
| 09:04.43 | lorenzo | I'm tryin to send the file |
| 09:04.51 | fooz | i'm trying to receive, but it probably won't work |
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| 09:04.55 | lorenzo | fooz...you see |
| 09:04.57 | fooz | dcc doesn't like me |
| 09:05.06 | lorenzo | ...damn |
| 09:05.06 | rich_ | I have three cats, my wife named them before I met her. Ones named spike and we call him bubby. He's nine but acts like a kitten. The next oldest is floyd, and we call him pretty boy. He's a long haired calico, and likes to goose his brothers. The oldest is named panther and he is a big black manx. What can you say about a manx? They are like little bulldogs. |
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| 09:05.34 | dondelelcaro | manx are pretty funny... like little bears... |
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| 09:05.44 | lorenzo | no way |
| 09:05.46 | fooz | i had a manx, it was a pushover |
| 09:05.49 | sijork | rich: They sound tasty. |
| 09:05.58 | sijork | rich: Boil them in a pot with sweet and sour soup. |
| 09:05.58 | JVaughn | sijork heh |
| 09:06.18 | zu22 | ! |
| 09:06.19 | dondelelcaro | sweet and sour? yeesh. hot and sour, please. |
| 09:06.25 | witless | you will name your cat: Dixie. i have spoken. |
| 09:06.25 | JVaughn | cat-kabob |
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| 09:06.45 | zu22 | you need tofu and crispy noodles with that :D |
| 09:06.47 | lorenzo | fooz...mailcap t's not broken |
| 09:06.49 | fooz | helix, name it Rumor |
| 09:06.56 | sijork | Crispy cat! |
| 09:07.00 | helix | nah |
| 09:07.05 | lorenzo | it's the same I have on another debian box |
| 09:07.09 | Sumi_ | Anybody with any idea, why is XFree86 extremly slow on an alpha? |
| 09:07.18 | lorenzo | I made some cross-examination |
| 09:07.20 | fooz | lorenzo, well, regardless of that, update-mime is segfaulting and it may not |
| 09:07.27 | harryvv | ive liked debian its been a decent experaince for other linux versions. |
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| 09:07.33 | sijork | Sumi: Because Alpha is extremely slow? |
| 09:07.36 | dondelelcaro | lorenzo: figure out why update-mime is segfaulting already. |
| 09:07.39 | lorenzo | I can try to reinstall support-mime |
| 09:07.43 | Sumi_ | alpha is slow? |
| 09:07.48 | sijork | Sumi: Get a cheap, newer computer. |
| 09:07.50 | fooz | lorenzo, heh the DCC didn't work because you're behind a firewall |
| 09:07.56 | harryvv | alphas can be slow |
| 09:07.58 | Sumi_ | slower than an x86? at the same speed? |
| 09:08.00 | lorenzo | from my office... |
| 09:08.05 | sijork | Sumi: Hell yeah. My AMD 2k+ can kick the shit out of any Alpha. |
| 09:08.11 | fooz | lorenzo, dcc doesn't work through NATs |
| 09:08.15 | lorenzo | didn't find a way to break it yet :-) |
| 09:08.16 | dondelelcaro | lorenzo: you want to reinstall mime-support, actually. |
| 09:08.22 | RichiH | Phated: i can't wallop |
| 09:08.27 | dondelelcaro | sijork: depends on which alfa. |
| 09:08.27 | Sumi_ | I'm happy to hear that.. |
| 09:08.30 | harryvv | sijork, and my almost ready to build opteron can beat your system out ;) |
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| 09:08.36 | dondelelcaro | s/alfa/alpha/ [well, alfa works too...] |
| 09:08.37 | sijork | harryvv: Probably. |
| 09:08.39 | Sumi_ | but why is an alpha xl 233 slower, than a ppro 200? |
| 09:08.56 | fooz | an alfa romeo can beat an athlon any day |
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| 09:09.06 | lorenzo | nah...see flood |
| 09:09.10 | zu22 | sijork: heh |
| 09:09.12 | sijork | Sumi: Because RISC has to execute more instructions to do the same amount of work. |
| 09:09.18 | lorenzo | this is prety annoying |
| 09:09.21 | harryvv | sijork, opterons are being used to do post production for the upcomming movie "revenge of the sith" thay are mighty fast over that of a xeon. |
| 09:09.23 | fooz | lorenzo, i told you.. |
| 09:09.32 | fooz | lorenzo, i have a kludge |
| 09:09.38 | dondelelcaro | lorenzo: so install juk (>4:3.3.0-1) |
| 09:09.45 | sijork | dondelelcaro: What's the faster Alpha ever made? |
| 09:09.45 | rich_ | Sumi_ well seeing as how theres not a lot of answers, Id say it only seems slower, and It's really faster, beneath the interface. |
| 09:09.49 | Sumi_ | than whats the good in alpha? |
| 09:09.57 | usuario | Rescue GRub? |
| 09:10.19 | resiak | Mmm... Grub... |
| 09:10.22 | lorenzo | ...tell me fooz |
| 09:10.24 | sijork | Sumi: It was very fast in it's time, but slow compared to modern CPUs. |
| 09:10.29 | fooz | lorenzo, try what dondelelcaro says |
| 09:10.31 | fooz | first |
| 09:10.36 | sijork | Sumi: It had huge cache for one. |
| 09:10.44 | Sumi_ | but i'm comparing it to a ppro200 |
| 09:10.44 | lorenzo | juk from sid? |
| 09:10.49 | directhex|work | sixty four of your bits! |
| 09:10.49 | Sumi_ | not to a dual xeon |
| 09:10.59 | usuario | Rescue grub desde livcd? |
| 09:11.03 | fooz | athlons and opterons have lots of technology from alphas |
| 09:11.10 | usuario | howto? |
| 09:11.12 | fooz | they're the next best thing |
| 09:11.12 | harryvv | fooz, did not know that. |
| 09:11.21 | lorenzo | flood |
| 09:11.21 | peterS | harryvv: primarily the memory bus architecture |
| 09:11.28 | lorenzo | dependnies hel |
| 09:11.32 | sijork | That fastest Alpha is 500Mhz? |
| 09:11.34 | lorenzo | dependencies hell |
| 09:11.36 | sijork | Is that right? |
| 09:11.38 | harryvv | opteron has the on die memory controler running at cpu speed which is a big bonus. |
| 09:11.52 | dondelelcaro | sijork: there are multi-way alphas that are pretty fast. http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/sc_gs.html FE |
| 09:11.59 | directhex|work | the memory bus architecture of the athlon series is pretty weak. the memory bus architecture of the athlon 64 is completely & utterly different to the old athlons |
| 09:12.09 | dondelelcaro | sijork: no, there's an EV7z that's 1300 |
| 09:12.21 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Multi-way compared to single-way AMD isn't a fair comparison. I was comparing single CPU. |
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| 09:12.31 | harryvv | I am waiting for my opteron to arive usps from california. its so slow in ariving. |
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| 09:12.50 | fooz | usps.. it'll arrive in itty bitty pieces :D |
| 09:12.55 | peterS | sijork: well, the strength of the alpha platform, in part, was how you *could* scale it up. so it's a fair thing to mention |
| 09:12.59 | harryvv | fooz, beter not :) |
| 09:13.03 | zu22 | fooz: haha |
| 09:13.15 | tonix | hi guys, i installed perfectly sarge with the new installer. But why mdadm mark as Dirty my raid devices? thanks |
| 09:13.25 | directhex|work | opterons go up to 8 way normally, or higher with nasty custom bus munging Cray style |
| 09:13.34 | sijork | petersS: I could build a huge AMD cluster too. |
| 09:13.46 | fooz | lorenzo, move /usr/sbin/update-mime to another name and make an empty shell script to replace it |
| 09:13.49 | peterS | sijork: not when alphas were still being sold, you couldn't |
| 09:13.52 | fooz | lorenzo, and make it executable |
| 09:13.53 | tonix | i mean, the sync is ok, but mdadm --query /dev/mdx returns me dirty devices. |
| 09:13.58 | dondelelcaro | sijork: a cluster still won't scale as nicely as a single 64 way unit. |
| 09:14.00 | peterS | sijork: not as SSI anyway |
| 09:14.05 | sijork | peterS: Who cares about back then. We're talking about right now. |
| 09:14.06 | fooz | lorenzo, run dpkg --configure -a |
| 09:14.13 | lorenzo | mmmhhhh |
| 09:14.17 | lorenzo | wait a minute |
| 09:14.20 | fooz | hehe |
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| 09:14.47 | tonix | what is the meaninc of dirty device in mdadm? |
| 09:14.51 | tonix | meaning |
| 09:14.54 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Sure it will. 64 AMD 3K+ cluster will trump a 64-way Alpha box. |
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| 09:15.11 | peterS | sijork: for some computational tasks |
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| 09:15.24 | fooz | like quake 3 |
| 09:15.27 | jotham | how can i find out how wide the current terminal is?> |
| 09:15.43 | lorenzo | the shel file hasto be called update-mime? |
| 09:15.45 | sijork | peterS: If you're I/O intensive instead of computational intensive, there's no point to multi-way anyways. |
| 09:15.48 | peterS | jotham: 'stty -a' or rely on bash to set $COLUMNS |
| 09:15.55 | fooz | lorenzo, yes, you're replacing the existing program |
| 09:15.58 | dondelelcaro | sijork: not necessarily. |
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| 09:16.21 | sijork | dondelelcaro: What's the speed on 64-way Alpha bus anyways? |
| 09:16.24 | fooz | my 500MHz P3 laptop is faster than all of your computers |
| 09:16.28 | fooz | as it is very easy to throw |
| 09:16.32 | dondelelcaro | sijork: 222GB/s |
| 09:16.34 | sijork | dondelelcaro: We can do 10G clusters nowadays. |
| 09:16.53 | rich_ | This is a fujitsu lifebook, they are very aerodynamic |
| 09:16.56 | ricochet | Fresh install, just upgraded to 2.6 kern, mouse doesnt work. i installed usbmouse, uchi-hcd, ehci-hcd, tried psmouse what am I missing? |
| 09:17.02 | sijork | dondelelcaro: That sounds too big man. |
| 09:17.07 | peterS | ricochet: depends on your mouse type |
| 09:17.08 | lorenzo | the empty file with only #! ? |
| 09:17.15 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Got a link? |
| 09:17.17 | lorenzo | #!/bin/sh ? |
| 09:17.23 | rich_ | almost like a discus |
| 09:17.26 | dondelelcaro | sijork: nah, because it's a single rack. Look at the URL I sent you in scrollback. |
| 09:17.29 | ricochet | peterS, usb |
| 09:17.30 | sijork | dondelelcaro: 222GB/s backplane is massive even today. |
| 09:17.37 | peterS | ricochet: the module 'usbhid' |
| 09:17.39 | fooz | lorenzo, actually an empty file would do |
| 09:17.40 | lorenzo | or nothing at all? |
| 09:17.47 | lorenzo | ok |
| 09:17.53 | peterS | ricochet: 'usbmouse' is probably *not* the module you want. |
| 09:18.00 | peterS | ricochet: also, you need 'mousedev' along with 'usbhid' |
| 09:18.01 | fooz | rich_, ok, you win |
| 09:18.14 | lorenzo | bad bad bad |
| 09:18.15 | fooz | rich_, but I've also got a powerbook g3 lombard |
| 09:18.23 | sijork | dondelelcaro: That's a bullshit number. |
| 09:18.37 | rich_ | fooz really? Well I dont know which would go faster, but both would fly |
| 09:18.42 | fooz | yeh |
| 09:18.42 | sijork | dondelelcaro: They don't list the topology. |
| 09:18.52 | sijork | dondelelcaro: And I doubt it's N to N connectivity. |
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| 09:19.12 | harryvv | night all |
| 09:19.12 | ricochet | peterS .. ah, mousedev ... |
| 09:19.15 | harryvv | thanks for the help |
| 09:19.18 | harryvv | peter |
| 09:19.23 | solata | what ? |
| 09:19.29 | fooz | sijork, it's probably using hubs |
| 09:19.42 | lorenzo | see flood |
| 09:19.44 | lorenzo | yesterday I tried to upgade my system...many packages have been downloaded...and many has been left in a bad state |
| 09:19.49 | lorenzo | as youcan see |
| 09:19.56 | sijork | fooz: Well, most probably some kind of switch on the backplane. |
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| 09:20.12 | fooz | lorenzo, wtf.. everything is segfaulting |
| 09:20.21 | fooz | lorenzo, is your computer smoking? any fire from the motherboard? |
| 09:20.27 | lorenzo | :-)))))) |
| 09:20.43 | peterS | directhex|work: expensive weapon you've got there |
| 09:20.45 | dondelelcaro | lorenzo: uh, you've got something that is corrupted somewhere. |
| 09:20.54 | fooz | dondelelcaro, or on fire |
| 09:20.56 | lorenzo | no no no I think it's been something bad with my upgrading |
| 09:21.03 | dondelelcaro | lorenzo: No, it's not. |
| 09:21.05 | directhex|work | peterS, and heavy. 14u is a tricky beast to wield |
| 09:21.21 | dondelelcaro | lorenzo: those programs won't randomly segfault like that unless you've managed to tweak one of the libraries that they require. |
| 09:21.23 | directhex|work | hm, dpkg lacks interconnect trivia |
| 09:21.30 | peterS | directhex|work: 14u? you serious? wow |
| 09:21.38 | sijork | directhex|work: How fast is Myrenet these days? 1G? |
| 09:21.43 | fooz | directhex|work, good thing you have massive rippling arms from constantly moving your hand between your mouse and keyboard |
| 09:21.49 | lorenzo | ....... |
| 09:21.51 | fooz | and occaisionally the coffee |
| 09:22.16 | directhex|work | sijork, the current line is myrinet2000, which is 2g full duplex fibre. myrinet 10g is being released soon, which is 10g ethernet compatible, and copper based |
| 09:22.17 | lorenzo | I really don't know |
| 09:22.20 | ricochet | peterS, so I can cat /dev/input/mice now and get stuff, XF86Config seems to point there too.. still saying no core pointer |
| 09:22.43 | fooz | lorenzo, things should never be segfaulting like that |
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| 09:22.51 | sijork | directhex|work: Only good thing about Myrinet is wormhole routing. |
| 09:22.57 | Julia28 | http://www.julias-forum.at.tf/forum geile seite mit passwörter |
| 09:22.57 | fooz | lorenzo, debian's not THAT buggy :) |
| 09:22.58 | peterS | ricochet: the default XF86Config-4 file includes two "InputDevice" sections for mice, "configured mouse" and "default mouse" |
| 09:22.59 | lorenzo | I know :-( |
| 09:23.03 | directhex|work | sijork, and the negligable latency |
| 09:23.04 | dondelelcaro | lorenzo: anyway, figure out what is segfaulting in one of the runs, and reinstall everything that it links against. |
| 09:23.10 | peterS | ricochet: you may need to comment out "configured mouse" from the "ServerLayout" section |
| 09:23.10 | ricochet | peterS, what protocol do I want? PS/2 imPS/2? |
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| 09:23.20 | sijork | directhex|work: Well, the latency is a direct result of the routing. |
| 09:23.25 | peterS | ricochet: for kernel 2.6, any of PS/2, ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2 will work |
| 09:23.36 | ricochet | peterS, yeah i deleted configured mouse, as it was /dev/psaux |
| 09:23.40 | peterS | ricochet: the latter two allow you to use your scroll wheel. the last one allows you to use more than 3 buttons, if you have them |
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| 09:23.44 | Sumi_ | so alpha sux? |
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| 09:23.52 | sijork | directhex|work: Damned expensive too. |
| 09:23.58 | peterS | ricochet: if you deleted "configured mouse", you should also delete its reference in the "ServerLayout" section |
| 09:24.13 | ricochet | peterS, ah, good knowledge to have. yep i deleted it in the server layout too |
| 09:24.15 | fooz | alpha is expensive, i was never able to get one |
| 09:24.32 | sijork | fooz: What's the point anyways? |
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| 09:24.40 | Sumi_ | now you can see.. i have one.. and it is slow |
| 09:24.42 | fooz | sijork, back when I wanted one? they were plenty fast |
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| 09:24.56 | Sumi_ | and i don't know if its mis?configured |
| 09:24.58 | sijork | fooz: Yeah, but not now. |
| 09:24.59 | lorenzo | thanx for your help...now I go back to work...firing is not a good thing you know |
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| 09:25.03 | Sumi_ | or, its slow.. |
| 09:25.06 | sijork | fooz: Now, Lintel rox. |
| 09:25.13 | fooz | intel sux |
| 09:25.15 | directhex|work | sijork, i'm fully aware of the cost. that said, myrinet 10g is going to be the cheapest option for 10g ethernet by a factor of about 10 |
| 09:25.15 | sijork | fooz: Or Linmd. :P |
| 09:25.37 | directhex|work | we used to have an alpha 233 as a doorstop in my student house |
| 09:25.51 | directhex|work | some desktop system with a digital logo on the front |
| 09:25.57 | dondelelcaro | directhex|work: multia? |
| 09:25.59 | fooz | I could have afforded a Multia, but I didn't see the point |
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| 09:26.08 | sijork | directhex|work: We had a whole lab of the fastest Alphas for graduate student use when I was at Uni. |
| 09:26.24 | sijork | directhex|work: They tore down the lab already to replace them with Dells. |
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| 09:26.50 | fooz | I'd still love a 500MHz alpha if someone were throwing one out |
| 09:27.01 | sijork | fooz: Ebay? |
| 09:27.01 | peterS | fooz: no doubt |
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| 09:27.09 | peterS | fooz: my apartment isn't warm enough in the winter |
| 09:27.12 | fooz | sijork, ebay isn't a trashcan |
| 09:27.18 | Sumi_ | directhex|work, and was x slow on it? |
| 09:27.21 | sijork | fooz: Sure it is. Lol. |
| 09:27.26 | fooz | i have no money for computers |
| 09:27.35 | fooz | my computers and playstation are all dying, i have no money to replace them |
| 09:27.36 | sijork | Sumi: Slow compared to my desktop, yes. |
| 09:27.37 | Sumi_ | anyway.. it's strange, because nt4 is fast... but x is xtreemly slow |
| 09:27.46 | fooz | i'm completely out of monitors.. can now only use my laptops |
| 09:28.02 | directhex|work | Sumi_, it didn't work. it wasn't worth the effort. hence "doorstop" |
| 09:28.05 | doublehp | I have just lost /usr/bin/* . I got a netinst Sarge CD, but can not use it because I have an ADSL connection which is not supported by Sarge yet. How can I use that CD to restaure apt and dpkg to reinstall pakages that /var say to be installed ? |
| 09:28.05 | sijork | fooz: Hook it straight to your brain. |
| 09:28.30 | sijork | directhex|work: Are you taking a cluster class? |
| 09:28.31 | jetscreamer | how did you *lose* it |
| 09:28.48 | doublehp | jetscreamer: in short : rm -rf /usr/bin/* |
| 09:28.51 | bighead | umm, in synaptic, where is "mozilla" and friends located? I wanted to remove mozilla suite. :-/ |
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| 09:29.01 | fooz | what I would probably buy now if I had money was some ARM boxes |
| 09:29.07 | sijork | directhex|work: Ain't many people know about Myrenet nor can they spell it right. (I know I can't spell.) |
| 09:29.11 | fooz | because compiling stuff on an ipaq is a big pain |
| 09:29.13 | dondelelcaro | bighead: search for mozilla. |
| 09:29.17 | sijork | fooz: They're damned expensive. |
| 09:29.25 | fooz | nah not really |
| 09:29.27 | jetscreamer | netinst has base on it, exactly how, not sure. |
| 09:29.29 | sijork | fooz: Why don't you cross compile? |
| 09:29.43 | fooz | cross compiling is a bigger pain than an ipaq with NFS root |
| 09:29.44 | fooz | heh |
| 09:30.02 | dondelelcaro | ugh. cross compiling is just asking for arcane compiler errors... |
| 09:30.15 | sijork | fooz: I saw the board produced for Risc OS it was something like $600 for just the m/b. |
| 09:30.17 | fooz | I can assemble a cross compiler, I just don't feel like it |
| 09:30.36 | fooz | it's kinda involved unless you have an existing one.. glibc is a big pain |
| 09:30.41 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Don't be silly. That's how work gets done in the real world. |
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| 09:30.48 | directhex|work | sijork, you mean this thing? http://apebox.net/imglibrary.jsp?section=three&browse=/OSC%20Equipment/&image=Photo_110504_008.jpg&zoom=yes |
| 09:30.55 | bighead | ok thanks |
| 09:31.09 | dondelelcaro | sijork: not really. When you have to, you cross compile, but as soon as you've got the architecture bootstrapped, you generally want to avoid it. |
| 09:31.35 | sijork | dondelelcaro: That's false. I write all my Pocket PC code on my PC..so do most people. |
| 09:31.47 | fooz | that's because pocket pc is a toy |
| 09:31.53 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Guess what else? All my embedded work is compiled on the PC too. |
| 09:31.55 | fooz | I run linux on my ipaq. linux isn't a toy |
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| 09:32.07 | sijork | dondelelcaro: You'll shit yourself compiling Atmel code on the Atmel target. |
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| 09:32.26 | dondelelcaro | sijork: again, read what I said. When you have to, you cross compile. When you can avoid it, you don't. |
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| 09:33.06 | fooz | you can fit a whole debian install onto an ipaq.. much easier to not cross compile :) |
| 09:33.40 | Guerin | I wonder what it is with sijork getting into arguments with people link dondelelcaro and asuffield |
| 09:33.48 | Guerin | most people have the good sense to avoid that |
| 09:33.54 | sijork | dondelelcaro: I don't have to. It's just very painful not to. |
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| 09:34.28 | sijork | Guerin: We're not really arguing. Just talking. |
| 09:34.39 | dondelelcaro | sijork: then you trade off the pain. Debugging obscure linker and compiler errors when few people are cross compiling the way you are, or waiting hours for the thing to compile on the target architecture. |
| 09:34.54 | dondelelcaro | sijork: read the threads of -devel FE, for some of the reasons why we don't cross compile for say, m68k |
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| 09:36.00 | fooz | you also just plain can't do much with a cross setup unless your build scripts are simple, or the host can transparently run things on and get output from the target |
| 09:36.08 | Gumby | anyone in here use kismet and know a decent frontend for it? |
| 09:36.11 | fooz | it would be impossible to build most debian packages that way |
| 09:36.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I wonder if gcc cross could be properly validated such that distcc hosted on m68k, with i386-with-cross-gcc as slaves, would be considered safe |
| 09:36.46 | rich_ | people cross compile for dos a lot, so they can write programs for it without haveing it crash while your trying to develop them. It can be done with gcc, and it seems to me when I did it, the libs to do it were all in debian. |
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| 09:36.59 | jetscreamer | ppl dev for dos? |
| 09:37.01 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Well, that doesn't count. You have a broken cross-compiler. In that case I would fix the broken cross compiler. |
| 09:37.02 | dondelelcaro | peterS: probably... I'm just not sure that anyone is really interested to put in the work to do that... [plus, m68k is still able to keep up...] |
| 09:37.08 | peterS | rich_: that's different. that's mainly using gcc for the same CPU architecture it is hosted on |
| 09:37.18 | rich_ | peterS I see. |
| 09:37.33 | zeeeee | hi all, i'm trying to set up something like "eth0:0"...i think it's called a virtual interface or alias? |
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| 09:37.39 | peterS | dondelelcaro: indeed. but it seems to me that the slower arches *would* benefit from that sort of thing. if only by needing fewer buildds to be hosted / maintained |
| 09:37.46 | Empty | zeeeee, Yes it is |
| 09:37.47 | jetscreamer | man interfaces |
| 09:37.54 | zeeeee | Empty: do you know which one it's called |
| 09:37.54 | Guerin | zeeeee: set it up identically to how you'd set up any other eth interface |
| 09:37.56 | dondelelcaro | sijork: in my experience, cross compiling with gcc tends to be more broken than building for the target architecture, and moreso when cross compiling is atypical. |
| 09:38.01 | zeeeee | Empty: i'm having trouble googling how to set one up |
| 09:38.12 | jetscreamer | o |
| 09:38.24 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Luckily, gcc is not the only compiler around. |
| 09:38.24 | Empty | zeeeee, both. 'ifconfig add blah' or add to your interfaces file with the 0:0 |
| 09:38.44 | dondelelcaro | sijork: sure, but it's pretty much the only reasonable Free one. |
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| 09:38.45 | rich_ | yea but when you do something a lot, like turn out binaries for dos, over a long period of time, you get the kinks worked out. |
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| 09:38.59 | Guerin | compiling all of debian on m68k must require a fucking army of machines |
| 09:39.07 | fooz | hehe |
| 09:39.08 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: there are a bunch of then... |
| 09:39.20 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: esp. when it takes days to compile mozilla, FE. |
| 09:39.24 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Well, if you're going to waste time compiling crap on a slow target, you might as well spend a little money and get a good cross-compiler. |
| 09:39.24 | Sumi_ | lol:) |
| 09:39.36 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: farms and farms of amiga 3000s in a warehouse someplace... |
| 09:39.46 | sijork | Guerin: LOL |
| 09:39.49 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: openoffice.org is what I was thinking about... |
| 09:39.58 | Guerin | I mean |
| 09:40.01 | sijork | Guerin: Could try a 68K emulator on the PC. Muahaha. |
| 09:40.13 | Guerin | it's painful enough compiling anything on my p2-233 |
| 09:40.15 | Sumi_ | what is m68k anyway? |
| 09:40.21 | dondelelcaro | sijork: Free as in libre... and when you pay for one, it just means that you have to deal with your vendor to fix any errors that crop op. |
| 09:40.22 | peterS | Sumi_: Motorola 68000 series chips |
| 09:40.22 | Guerin | Sumi_: old macs, amigas, etc |
| 09:40.30 | sijork | Sumi: Motorola 68000 family of CPUs. |
| 09:40.30 | Sumi_ | thanks:) |
| 09:40.43 | sijork | Sumi: Used in old Macs and old Sun boxen. |
| 09:40.44 | peterS | Sumi_: 68030 and 68040 based machines can run Debian. not sure about older chips |
| 09:41.02 | sijork | dondelelcaro: That will happen anyways. Even on the same architecture. |
| 09:41.08 | jm_ | yeah, NeXT-s also had those |
| 09:41.10 | directhex|work | i think the sega megadrive had a 68k, as did the snk neogeo |
| 09:41.25 | fooz | 020s with an MMU and maybe an FPU should be able to |
| 09:41.28 | zeeeee | does anybody know what command i should run to enter bring up eth0:0 as the address 10.0.0.1? i figured this out once a while ago but i forgot to write it down..i just don't want to spend another half hour learning about ifconfig again... |
| 09:41.29 | fooz | i think |
| 09:41.44 | sijork | fooz: The FPU would be separate. |
| 09:41.44 | dondelelcaro | sijork: yeah, I'm just telling you why a non-free one is useless as far as I (and Debian) are concerned... |
| 09:41.47 | Guerin | zeeeee: man interfaces covers this real easy like |
| 09:41.51 | sijork | fooz: 688881 or some crappy shit. |
| 09:41.51 | Caesar | zeeeee: ifconfig eth0:0 10.0.0.1 up? |
| 09:41.56 | peterS | fooz: "should be able" does not mean the kernel actually supports them, or supports hardware they are ever found inside |
| 09:42.02 | dondelelcaro | Build needed 51:52:45, 610088k disk space |
| 09:42.14 | dondelelcaro | hrm... only 51 hours for mozilla. |
| 09:42.15 | Guerin | 51 hours? for what? |
| 09:42.18 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:42.26 | doublehp | URGENT : i need somebody to unpack dpkg.deb and tar it for me, and then dcc it. MANY many many thanks. |
| 09:42.30 | sijork | dondelelcaro: There's no reason Debian can't be built from a non-free compiler. Is it even in the charter? Lol. |
| 09:42.44 | directhex|work | doublehp, you can just extract the .deb with ar |
| 09:42.45 | Guerin | that's like... 10 stock debian kernels on this ole box |
| 09:42.48 | fooz | sijork, most every package in debian depends on gcc |
| 09:42.50 | Caesar | doublehp: It's just an ar archive |
| 09:42.55 | sijork | dondelelcaro: There was a Debian for Windows version in the works for some time. |
| 09:43.13 | Guerin | not surprising, I guess, given that a m68k is probably about 1/8 the speed of this box |
| 09:43.15 | doublehp | directhex|work: I have neither ar nor any browser to dowload anything |
| 09:43.18 | Caesar | Debian on top of Cygwin would be awesome. It'd be like fink is for MacOS X |
| 09:43.30 | directhex|work | doublehp, on debian, you have ar |
| 09:43.35 | dondelelcaro | sijork: yes, there is, actually... first and formost is the pragmatic one that no one could support it. |
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| 09:44.02 | doublehp | directhex|work: actually I dont . please at least dcc me the binary file of dpkg |
| 09:44.04 | dondelelcaro | sijork: and as far as the Debian for windows project, that's using gcc afaik, and isn't in the archive anyway. |
| 09:44.09 | zeeeee | Caesar: why the 'up' at the end of the cmd? |
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| 09:44.18 | Guerin | doublehp: what sort of bastardised system are you running/ |
| 09:44.19 | zeeeee | Caesar: it seems that i can do without it, but does it make a difference.. |
| 09:44.19 | Guerin | ? |
| 09:44.26 | zeeeee | Caesar: only the real interface needs to be up, right? |
| 09:44.27 | Caesar | zeeeee: It's probably redundant... |
| 09:44.31 | chiefohio | hi, i have some problems with hisax and fcpci, do i have to uninstall hisax if i want to use hylafax with capidrv? |
| 09:44.34 | sijork | dondelelcaro: That's theoretical. If I wanted to port Debian to my microwave tomorrow, I could use a commercial compiler. |
| 09:44.35 | zeeeee | Caesar: er..i meant parent interface |
| 09:44.46 | sijork | dondelelcaro: Nothing in the charter will stop me from it. |
| 09:44.47 | dondelelcaro | sijork: you can, yes. But Debian won't. |
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| 09:44.51 | doublehp | Guerin: in short ... rm -rf /usr/bin/* |
| 09:44.58 | Guerin | doublehp: aaargh |
| 09:45.02 | Caesar | doublehp: dcc me the deb... |
| 09:45.16 | Guerin | doublehp: local machine? |
| 09:45.22 | doublehp | Caesar: I cant download any thing. I have no browser |
| 09:45.29 | Guerin | doublehp: wget? |
| 09:45.31 | dondelelcaro | sijork: and it's not a charter. It's the constitution, social contract, and dfsg. |
| 09:45.34 | doublehp | Guerin: no |
| 09:45.36 | Caesar | doublehp: what package do you want? |
| 09:45.37 | Empty | doublehp: ftp? |
| 09:45.42 | Guerin | doublehp: no /ur/bin, of course |
| 09:45.54 | sijork | dondelelcaro: You know what I meant. |
| 09:46.02 | ricochet | peterS, I can get gibberish from /dev/input/mice , i ran xf86config just in case.. still wont let x start. what else can i check? |
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| 09:46.05 | doublehp | Caesar: just the binary file of dpkg should be enough ... just take in in your own system |
| 09:46.23 | peterS | ricochet: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log, look for (EE) lines, which indicate errors |
| 09:46.25 | dondelelcaro | sijork: obviously, or I wouldn't have corrected you. |
| 09:46.25 | Guerin | sijork: that'd be brilliant - the worlds greatest free OS using a non-free compiler. Yeah, what an idea. |
| 09:46.28 | sijork | ricochet: Tried xf86cfg? |
| 09:46.42 | directhex|work | i think binutils would also help |
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| 09:47.00 | Empty | dpkg has libc links |
| 09:47.00 | dpkg | Empty: are you smoking crack? |
| 09:47.11 | sijork | Guerin: Well, what's the point in waiting 5 hours for bash to build instead of paying $200 for a compiler and using it? |
| 09:47.16 | sijork | Guerin: That's just silly. |
| 09:47.16 | Guerin | Empty: but if only /usr/bin is gone, it should still work |
| 09:47.19 | Empty | nolan, but you are on libcrack, bot :P |
| 09:47.20 | Caesar | doublehp: on it's way |
| 09:47.29 | Guerin | sijork: no, it's just free software. |
| 09:47.34 | peterS | sijork: that's why you parallelize your workflow, so you aren't sitting idle for those 5 hours |
| 09:47.40 | Guerin | sijork: you do know what free software is? |
| 09:47.41 | rich_ | lots of non-free stuff go great with debian, each one has its own special problems I guess. Nothing wrong with third party packages, just don't expect much support if they dont work |
| 09:47.41 | PDD | hi Guys, I did an install of Debian 3.0 and I mis-configured my x settings. Just wondering if someone ehre could maybe help me trouble shoot? |
| 09:47.41 | Empty | guerin: Yeah, I was thinking this was a base install gone bad |
| 09:47.49 | doublehp | Caesar: I am even surprise gaim is able to support that DCC MANY many MANY thanks |
| 09:48.02 | Caesar | doublehp: no problemo |
| 09:48.14 | peterS | PDD: you can do 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 09:48.15 | zeeeee | thanks all |
| 09:48.26 | ricochet | peterS, EEs are no core pointer device specified, unable to determine screen layout, and Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 09:48.32 | PDD | no I cant get into my system at all |
| 09:48.48 | sijork | peterS: So you'll do something else for 5 hours and come back and see the build broke. Fix it and wait another 5 hours? |
| 09:48.52 | JVaughn | pdd - why not? |
| 09:48.53 | sijork | peterS: Great. :) |
| 09:48.55 | peterS | ricochet: make sure your ServerLayout contains a reference to the appropriate InputDevice section for your mouse - "Generic Mouse" or whatever |
| 09:48.59 | Caesar | PDD: describe the problem |
| 09:49.04 | dondelelcaro | sijork: uh, no. |
| 09:49.04 | PDD | its mis-configured so when it boots into Linux the login screen comes up very enlarged and I cant do anything aprt from reboot or shutdown |
| 09:49.06 | peterS | sijork: that's the general idea, yeah |
| 09:49.22 | Caesar | PDD: ctrl+alt+f1 ought to switch you to a text VT |
| 09:49.32 | JVaughn | pdd - once you boot up hit ctrl+alt+1 to switch to a console, login as root dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:49.34 | PDD | at the login screen? |
| 09:49.35 | dondelelcaro | well, unless your makefile has the dependencies totally messed up, anyway... |
| 09:49.51 | Caesar | PDD: yes |
| 09:49.51 | sijork | Guerin: People like you make no sense. Compiling free software with non-free software doesn't make it any less free. Just saves development time. |
| 09:49.58 | ricochet | peterS, yep it does. one space and all |
| 09:50.02 | doublehp | Caesar: can you send 'dpkg-split' ? |
| 09:50.12 | PDD | ok so hitting ctrl+alt+f1 at the login scren and I will imediately switch to console? |
| 09:50.12 | JVaughn | what compiler do you use sijork? |
| 09:50.20 | JVaughn | pdd - yuppers |
| 09:50.22 | Caesar | doublehp: on way |
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| 09:50.41 | sijork | JVaughn: gcc, VC++, Arm, etc. |
| 09:50.44 | peterS | ricochet: and the section named "Generic Mouse" - does it include Option "CorePointer" or similar? |
| 09:50.49 | PDD | oh shit yeah thats right its one of the virtual desktops isnt it and #7 is the default which is gotten by ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 09:50.55 | sijork | JVaughn: What ever works for whatever platform is what I use. |
| 09:50.55 | peterS | ricochet: "similar" being something like Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" |
| 09:50.57 | Guerin | sijork: the only reason to use a non-free tool is to develop a free tool to replace that tool. |
| 09:51.11 | Guerin | sijork: since free tools exist, debian uses them. |
| 09:51.43 | ricochet | peterS, hm, well xf86config made a config, i tried that one, works. looks damn near the same tho |
| 09:51.49 | rich_ | One reason to use free software is it is cheaper. Also it makes it so you can use it in certain situations without getting arrested |
| 09:51.54 | sijork | Guerin: Yeah, but who wants to sit around and fix the m68K cross compiler target? It's old and crufty and a waste of time of course. |
| 09:52.01 | Guerin | sijork: I mean, you can argue about efficiency and so on all you like, but free software is free software, and a free os ought to eat its own dogfood. |
| 09:52.01 | peterS | ricochet: some obscure typo you don't notice, no doubt. well, I'm glad it works |
| 09:52.01 | PDD | is that right? |
| 09:52.05 | chiefohio | hi, i have some problems with hisax and fcpci, do i have to uninstall hisax if i want to use hylafax with capidrv? |
| 09:52.12 | directhex|work | PDD, yes |
| 09:52.13 | Guerin | sijork: it works. |
| 09:52.18 | PDD | cool I remembered something |
| 09:52.21 | sijork | Guerin: That's not what dondelelcaro says. |
| 09:52.28 | PDD | ok cheers guys off to do some troubleshooting |
| 09:52.33 | PDD | this channel is class |
| 09:52.37 | PDD | always helpful |
| 09:52.37 | sijork | Guerin: He's says it's buggy. And that's how this conversation got started in the first place. |
| 09:53.11 | Guerin | sijork: I know. It ain't perfect, but it DOES work. There IS a m68k port of debian, and it is functional. |
| 09:53.35 | doublehp | Caesar: wonderfull : dpkg downgraded :) sucessfully |
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| 09:53.58 | directhex|work | doublehp, why did you rm -rf /usr/bin/* |
| 09:53.59 | sijork | Guerin: Well, my only point is if it's buggy, using a commercial product is a good alternative to suffering painstakingly slow compiles. |
| 09:54.07 | sijork | Guerin: But if it works, then there's no point. |
| 09:54.29 | Caesar | doublehp: sweet |
| 09:54.42 | JVaughn | whatever happened to egcs? :) |
| 09:54.50 | Guerin | sijork: sure it could use optimisation, but since the existing system does work, why rip it out and replace it with something that's non-free and can't be supported in house, and which will show the world that free software can't do everything it needs to. That's just bogus. |
| 09:55.03 | Guerin | s/to./to?/ |
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| 09:55.26 | rich_ | Seems to me all the same reasons to use free software apply to the compilor too |
| 09:55.29 | PDD | hi guys me agaiin |
| 09:55.31 | sijork | JVaughn: egcs got put back into gcc |
| 09:55.36 | dondelelcaro | rich_: pretty much |
| 09:55.41 | JVaughn | just curious |
| 09:55.42 | sijork | JVaughn: dropped the e part |
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| 09:55.47 | Arelius | how do I add a daemon to startup |
| 09:55.47 | doublehp | directhex|work: I wanted to install firefox as root, so that all users can use, but since SID pakage is broken, I took the tgz on moz.org ... and the install process empties the install dir to make sure it is clean ... and as root I declared the install dir to be /usr/bin ... I did not realise it would really trash it. |
| 09:55.47 | Arelius | ? |
| 09:55.48 | PDD | dpkg doesnt seem to be installed its telling me not a valid command |
| 09:55.48 | dpkg | PDD: bugger all, i dunno |
| 09:55.51 | Guerin | sijork: I don't know the details of how well/badly it works, however; I'm mostly arguing from a philosophical/logistical perspective. |
| 09:55.53 | chiefohio | how to told debian to do not load a specific module on bootup, exactly hisax? |
| 09:56.20 | JVaughn | pdd - under root? |
| 09:56.23 | Guerin | chiefohio: how does it load? What loads it? |
| 09:56.28 | JVaughn | well i guess it doesm't matter |
| 09:56.29 | dondelelcaro | PDD: are you actually running Debian? Do you have /usr/bin in your path? |
| 09:56.30 | sijork | Guerin: Philosophically you make sense, but it's very impractical in terms of real life manpower. |
| 09:56.33 | directhex|work | doublehp, what's broken about the sid package? yoru installer sounds somewhat more broken. i'be been running firefox 1.0 from the debian .deb on my home & office box |
| 09:56.41 | directhex|work | PDD, as root |
| 09:56.42 | Guerin | chiefohio: find out what loads it and blacklist it in that program's config. |
| 09:57.16 | PDD | yep as root |
| 09:57.17 | Guerin | sijork: so was writing a free os from scratch when there were soo many mature prorietary OSen around. But look! |
| 09:57.36 | JVaughn | you call minix mature? :) |
| 09:57.37 | chiefohio | guerin: good question, i think it comes with nebulous isdn-stuff... its not loaded by /etc/modules |
| 09:57.43 | doublehp | directhex|work: when I hit firefox in CLI ... nothing opens. |
| 09:57.46 | dondelelcaro | PDD: what does whereis dpkg; return? |
| 09:57.48 | Guerin | chiefohio: my bet is hotplug |
| 09:58.04 | dondelelcaro | doublehp: is firefox running? |
| 09:58.06 | directhex|work | doublehp, mozilla-firefox |
| 09:58.15 | PDD | information for help etc |
| 09:58.22 | chiefohio | Guerin: sorry, what? |
| 09:58.25 | PDD | maybe dpkg-reconfig isnt right |
| 09:58.29 | doublehp | dondelelcaro: no |
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| 09:58.34 | JVaughn | no it's right pdd |
| 09:58.36 | doublehp | directhex|work: samepb |
| 09:58.38 | JVaughn | dpkg-reconfig xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:58.43 | PDD | ok maybe the arguements? |
| 09:58.46 | directhex|work | PDD, dpkg-reconfigure, NOT dpkg-reconfig |
| 09:58.53 | Guerin | chiefohio: hotplug is typically the culprit for loading zillions of annoying and useless modules at boot time. |
| 09:58.53 | JVaughn | tru /usr/bin/dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86.... you are running debian right? |
| 09:58.57 | PDD | ok let me try that |
| 09:59.01 | JVaughn | er reconfigure |
| 09:59.02 | JVaughn | heh |
| 09:59.20 | chiefohio | Guerin: ok, thats clear, but how to unload a specific one? |
| 09:59.30 | directhex|work | Guerin, nah, hotplug is the nice one, it's discover that's an arse |
| 09:59.37 | JVaughn | pdd - dpkg-re<then hit the tab key> if ever in doubt ;) |
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| 09:59.42 | chiefohio | Guerin: in other words, not to load at boottime |
| 09:59.42 | Guerin | chiefohio: I don't know, because I don't allow suckh abominations on my machine. |
| 10:00.00 | doublehp | now : how do I list all pakages which should be installed and download ALL of them again ( if possible in a tmp dir ) automatically ? once that is done a simple dpkg -i * will do it . |
| 10:00.01 | Guerin | directhex|work: hrm, you might be right. |
| 10:00.11 | PDD | cool that worked |
| 10:00.21 | PDD | well it got me into the reconfig so just doing a reboot now to reconfig |
| 10:00.23 | directhex|work | chiefohio, for hotplug, add the name of the module to /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 10:00.28 | ysothoth | Good old discover :) |
| 10:00.42 | PDD | JVaughn does that work for all commands? |
| 10:00.47 | chiefohio | directhex|work: good note, i will try, thanks |
| 10:00.49 | directhex|work | chiefohio, for discover, add skip $modulename to /etc/discover.conf |
| 10:01.07 | JVaughn | pdd - assuming your shell supports it |
| 10:01.13 | JVaughn | pdd - it just auto-completion |
| 10:01.18 | PDD | ok |
| 10:01.31 | Guerin | doublehp: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep ii |awk '{print $2}' |xargs apt-get install |
| 10:01.33 | PDD | wellw hats the defualt shell for Debian bash is it? |
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| 10:02.03 | Guerin | doublehp: untested, and it relies on you having apt-get installed |
| 10:02.12 | Guerin | doublehp: but in principle it should work |
| 10:02.12 | JVaughn | pdd - yup |
| 10:02.26 | PDD | so it will work for all bash shells no matter what distros ? |
| 10:02.31 | doublehp | Guerin: I have no awk ... since I now have lynx ... i ll try to sort that ASAP |
| 10:02.35 | Guerin | PDD: bash is bash |
| 10:02.48 | Guerin | ah, no awk, of course. and no xargs either |
| 10:03.07 | chiefohio | directhex|work: and how can i find out from which point a specific mod is loaded, is that allready impossible to find out? |
| 10:03.11 | PDD | cool, just Ive found using a different distros somethings change which can be frustrating so concentrating on Debian to know well then explore fromt here |
| 10:03.29 | doublehp | Guerin: no I have no lynx ... just wget :/ can some one give me the URL of lynx.deb, gawk.deb and xargs.deb ? |
| 10:03.35 | directhex|work | chiefohio, yes, yes it is. the safest option is to blacklist it in both |
| 10:03.42 | Guerin | doublehp: what distro? |
| 10:03.48 | doublehp | Guerin: SID |
| 10:03.59 | sijork | doublehp: Why not apt-get update |
| 10:04.07 | sijork | doublehp: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:04.12 | PDD | hey guys how do I tell what graphics card i have. I know lspci means list whats in the pci slots |
| 10:04.24 | dondelelcaro | PDD: lspci will tell you. |
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| 10:04.33 | directhex|work | http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/debian/pool/main/l/lynx/lynx_2.8.5-2_i386.deb |
| 10:04.39 | PDD | oh ok cool I remmbered that too |
| 10:04.39 | Guerin | doublehp: x86 ? |
| 10:04.46 | PDD | what if its an AGP card though? |
| 10:04.50 | doublehp | Guerin: I should be faster just to ask dpkg to list installed pakages, and tell apt to download them again .. |
| 10:04.54 | doublehp | Guerin: sure :) |
| 10:05.13 | directhex|work | PDD, agp is a pci bus, more or less |
| 10:05.22 | xam | PDD: AGP is basically a tuned PCI, it will also show up |
| 10:06.02 | directhex|work | PDD, the average modern ia32 will have three pci busses - agp, external pci, and southbridge internal pci. all are shown by lspci |
| 10:06.02 | Guerin | doublehp: you'll be wiser to use that line I gave you to do apt-get -d install; then install them manually with dpkg -i --force-something; since dpkg thinks they're all actually installed, it will freak when it can't find some files |
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| 10:06.06 | PDD | ok cool |
| 10:06.19 | xam | damn, /me just figured out that he has a code meeting in a couple of hours |
| 10:06.20 | PDD | can I apply the config changes without having to reboot, can I restart X ? |
| 10:06.33 | dondelelcaro | PDD: yes. |
| 10:06.43 | directhex|work | PDD, yes. do you know which graphical login manager you use? |
| 10:06.48 | PDD | KDM |
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| 10:06.58 | directhex|work | PDD, /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 10:07.04 | PDD | cool |
| 10:07.06 | doublehp | Guerin: still missing gawk and xargs |
| 10:07.08 | PDD | just wasnt sure if I could do it |
| 10:07.12 | PDD | gimme a sec to try it |
| 10:07.29 | doublehp | Guerin: oh .. .wait |
| 10:07.43 | Guerin | doublehp: yeah, I'll just get the links |
| 10:07.49 | PDD | sweeeeettttt |
| 10:07.52 | PDD | DUDE that worked |
| 10:07.54 | PDD | yes |
| 10:07.58 | doublehp | Guerin: lynx can do it |
| 10:07.58 | directhex|work | !win PDD |
| 10:07.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, PDD! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 10:08.07 | PDD | awwww bollox |
| 10:08.17 | PDD | any chance I can get off at Basra? |
| 10:08.22 | PDD | maybe chill out there for a while? |
| 10:08.38 | sijork | Basra, Iraq? |
| 10:08.40 | xam | PDD: well, perhaps Guantanamo Bay ... |
| 10:08.45 | PDD | it just seems more chilled and relaxed to the rest of Iraq |
| 10:09.05 | PDD | I thought my in flight movie came from there? |
| 10:09.29 | PDD | :-) |
| 10:10.05 | PDD | ah fuck it lets go to Mosul, we can catch those bastards that slipped outta Falujah |
| 10:10.15 | doublehp | Guerin: lynx is the most wonderfull browser :) it calls dpkg itself :) |
| 10:10.27 | doublehp | what a plesure to use Debian :) |
| 10:10.31 | PDD | :-=) Cheers again guys |
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| 10:10.45 | Guerin | doublehp: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gawk/gawk_3.1.4-1.2_i386.deb |
| 10:11.08 | Guerin | doublehp: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lynx/lynx_2.8.5-2_i386.deb |
| 10:11.25 | doublehp | Guerin: in which pakage is xargs ? |
| 10:11.37 | peterS | doublehp: 'find' |
| 10:11.41 | sijork | apt-file search xargs |
| 10:11.45 | Guerin | doublehp: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/findutils/findutils_4.1.7-2_i386.deb |
| 10:11.46 | doublehp | peterS: ? |
| 10:11.47 | peterS | doublehp: that's the package, not me telling you to go find it (: |
| 10:11.51 | maestro[] | doublehp: findutils |
| 10:12.02 | Guerin | sijork: his /usr/bin directory is toast - he can't do anything much |
| 10:12.06 | peterS | oh, it *is* called findutils |
| 10:12.16 | peterS | for some reason I was thinking the debian package name left off the 'utils' |
| 10:12.33 | peterS | what was I thinking of instead? some debian package is or was like that |
| 10:12.55 | DrPete | Anyone built any server with the athlon64? Any good? |
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| 10:13.10 | kruzi | yeo |
| 10:13.12 | Guerin | DrPete: #debian-amd64 |
| 10:13.16 | kruzi | amd64 3000 here. |
| 10:13.17 | doublehp | I think that after loosing /usr/bin ... many ppl would have just format again ... but it looks like with your help of all of you, I can restaure my system within 30 mn :) |
| 10:13.25 | DrPete | Guerin: ooh, thanks |
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| 10:13.43 | sijork | doublehp: How did you "lose" it? |
| 10:13.43 | Guerin | doublehp: debian's fault-tolerance is unequalled |
| 10:13.51 | Guerin | heh |
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| 10:13.57 | Guerin | slip of the rm -rf |
| 10:14.07 | maestro[] | Uh yes, yesterday evening something popped into my mind: What is the debian way to mount something like a memorystick right when it's plugged in? hotplug? discover? usbmgr? |
| 10:14.24 | Guerin | maestro[]: hotplug or usbmgr would do it |
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| 10:14.47 | Guerin | maestro[]: I set up hotplug to do that with my mother's digital camera |
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| 10:14.59 | xam | maestro: you could use hotplug ... however I prefer autofs (which is - unfortunately - currently broken in testing and unstable) |
| 10:15.04 | maestro[] | Guerin: Ok, any documentation around for that? I guess I'll have to write some sort of hook script to mount at the right time or something like that |
| 10:15.04 | doublehp | Guerin: but remember that the two root apps I used were gaim to download, and chmod to run ..... satrting by asking dpkg ^^ |
| 10:15.54 | Guerin | maestro[]: there are hook scripts around, I googled and found mine I think |
| 10:16.16 | maestro[] | Guerin: ok, big thx, I'll do that |
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| 10:16.29 | xam | maestro: setting up autofs is rather easy ... (but make sure you use the version in 'stable') |
| 10:16.30 | maestro[] | hi qolume |
| 10:17.14 | doublehp | Guerin: apt complains that many pakages are ' already the newest version.' |
| 10:17.19 | maestro[] | xam: Well, I have to think about the solution with autofs... cause I'm familiar with autofs, but I have to think about the advantages and the disadvantages |
| 10:17.57 | maestro[] | doublehp: --reinstall if you want to replace some files which 'should' be there already |
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| 10:22.10 | doublehp | maestro[]: Guerin peterS directhex|work many thank to all. I launch that cmd, and pray tonight it is sorted. CU you later. Debian ROX. |
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| 10:25.30 | rsalazar | is there a page dedicated to wireless cards supported under linux? i can't seem to find one googling |
| 10:26.25 | dondelelcaro | rsalazar: http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS FE |
| 10:26.25 | Guerin | doublehp: --reinstall |
| 10:26.35 | Guerin | ah yeah |
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| 10:26.59 | maestro[] | rsalazar: http://www.astro.umd.edu/~teuben/linux/wireless.html |
| 10:27.49 | rsalazar | thanks |
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| 10:28.25 | maestro[] | rsalazar: Hm no, there is just nothing you could use on that page, I'll find a better one |
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| 10:29.16 | maestro[] | rsalazar: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/ |
| 10:30.29 | rsalazar | it's just that we are looking for a pci wireless card to buy and i got the assignment of checking which ones work under linux |
| 10:31.57 | maestro[] | rsalazar: On the second page I gave you there is a listing of different chipsets and cards which is quite complete |
| 10:32.08 | faxo | hey |
| 10:32.13 | faxo | i have this jdk-1_5_0-linux-i586.bin |
| 10:32.17 | faxo | how do i install it ? |
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| 10:33.10 | Guerin | faxo: sh <filename> |
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| 10:33.53 | karl_ | Can anyone suggest good reading on making ldap and kerberos work together |
| 10:34.02 | Guerin | !kiwismite siimo |
| 10:34.29 | siimo | Guerin, ? |
| 10:34.40 | Guerin | siimo: it's a joke, son. |
| 10:34.54 | siimo | yea i know but i dont get it |
| 10:35.02 | Guerin | well |
| 10:35.14 | Guerin | in NZ in the 19th century |
| 10:35.24 | Guerin | tens of thousands of people got all their land confiscated |
| 10:35.33 | Guerin | now it's happened to you, too |
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| 10:35.48 | petemc | faxo: you'll want to make that into a deb so dpkg knows about it and any apps that need java will know its there |
| 10:35.48 | siimo | ook |
| 10:36.56 | karl_ | faxo: I remember reading somthing that sounds like java debian howto |
| 10:37.24 | maestro[] | !install java |
| 10:37.24 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Download a Java runtime or dev-kit package in .bin (self-extracting shell script) format from java.sun.com. Install that as root with "cd /usr/local; sh /path/to/jwhatever.bin". Make /usr/local/bin/java (and javac if it's a dev-kit) symlinks to the corresponding programs in /usr/local/jwhatever/bin. Now ask me about <mozilla java>. See also <mpkg-j2se> or even better <j2se-package>. |
| 10:37.54 | maestro[] | the last two are for doing so afaik |
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| 10:38.37 | rsalazar | maestro[]: many thanks, quite useful |
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| 10:38.52 | maestro[] | rsalazar: np, hope it does what you want |
| 10:39.41 | Gumby | can anyone here tell me how to start a second X session on vt8 (xtrl+alt+f8) I thought startx :1 does it but it is still trying to open on display :0 |
| 10:39.53 | maestro[] | Gumby: startx -- :1 |
| 10:40.05 | faxo | petemc, all right man ! lets get this dpkg working on it ! |
| 10:40.10 | Gumby | maestro[]: thx |
| 10:40.10 | karl_ | can anyone explain why I can not find apt-proxy in sarge anymore |
| 10:40.21 | maestro[] | uh |
| 10:40.21 | faxo | karl_, do you still have the bookmark ? |
| 10:40.42 | petemc | faxo: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php |
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| 10:40.47 | karl_ | faxo no |
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| 10:41.03 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 10:41.16 | maestro[] | karl_: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=apt-proxy |
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| 10:42.52 | maestro[] | karl_: Especially http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=267880 |
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| 10:45.24 | Tobo | when during the installation of phpbb2 on debian did the installer aks for the admin un/pass?? I did'nt seem to catch that or does it default som something? |
| 10:45.27 | directhex|work | Gumby, startx -- :1 if you're a startx fan. if you use *dm, there are other ways |
| 10:45.37 | ricochet | Questions, I reinstalled deb today, mainly because I wanted ext3, but also because kde was freezing and not working. After reinstall it is having the same behavior, i'm using testing now, unstable before. I've never had a problem like this in the past.. could it be hardware related? |
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| 10:46.00 | Tobo | to something |
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| 10:48.06 | xam | ricochet: well, difficult to tell. Why not try something different (ie. not KDE, but Gnome or even just a simple Window Manager)? Only this way you can tell whether it is a problem with KDE, or whether the 'freezing' also happens in other situations |
| 10:49.23 | john | exit |
| 10:49.27 | xam | ricochet: does the whole PC freeze, or is it just KDE/X (ie. can you log in remotely, or can you do ctrl-alt-backspace)? |
| 10:50.35 | ricochet | xam, i can move the mouse, i can open icons on the desktop, but previously opened windows freeze and the menu bar et all dont do anything |
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| 10:52.08 | jeebes | so debian found my ati radeon 7500 card fine, at least it shows up in my XF86Config-4 as the correct card, but it seems hardware acceleration wont work for some reason |
| 10:52.25 | jeebes | enemy territory says You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)! |
| 10:52.25 | jeebes | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.32 | xam | ricochet: this sound like it is a KDE-only problem ... but just to be sure you might want to try different window managers ... anyway this doesn't really sound like a hardware isse (well, perhaps a graphic card driver issue perhaps, but unlikely) |
| 10:52.56 | jeebes | should i install something else? |
| 10:53.00 | SlayerXP | jeebes: you need to install the non-free driver to get hardware acceleration |
| 10:53.10 | jeebes | can I apt-get it |
| 10:53.19 | ricochet | xam, yeah, thats what I was thinking, but it was driving me nuts, so i reinstalled. quite upsetting that its still doing it, even in testing |
| 10:53.35 | SlayerXP | jeebes: no, you need to google it |
| 10:53.44 | directhex|work | SlayerXP, no, fglrx needs an 8500 or higher |
| 10:53.45 | xam | jeebes: you can that ATI for that. |
| 10:53.57 | jeebes | ? |
| 10:53.58 | xam | thank even |
| 10:54.03 | jeebes | oh |
| 10:54.09 | directhex|work | you need DRI for a 7500, atis' driver won't work |
| 10:55.13 | jeebes | hmm, I have xlibmesa-dri installed |
| 10:55.15 | xam | jeebes: ahh, yes. ATIs sucky binary rpm drivers only work - if they work - only for Radeon 9000 and higher IIRC |
| 10:55.16 | jeebes | do I need more than that? |
| 10:55.33 | directhex|work | xam, 8500. |
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| 10:56.36 | xam | directhex: really? I thought I remembered 9000 ... anyway, last time even my radeon 9000 mobility was not supported ... (no mobility chipset support) |
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| 10:58.30 | directhex|work | xam, it works with devices, it doesn't support them. ati tech support will not deal with linux queries |
| 10:58.36 | xam | directhex: heh, I just visited ATIs website ... they basically copied NVidias! Especially the 'find driver' webpage!! |
| 10:58.43 | elirips | hello people. i am using debian testing on a laptop. i have ifplugd installed to detect if a network-cable gets plugged in/out. but during boot-up there is still a dhcp client activated, if i boot up and have no cable installed, everything is blocked for about 1 min until dhcp fails to get an ip. how can i correct this? |
| 10:59.15 | takatumi | how can I turn on logging with pon? (where are the error logs?) |
| 10:59.24 | xam | directhex: no, literally it didn't work, ie. it would not start with them ... but last time I tried was last year |
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| 10:59.39 | maestro[] | elirips: So you want do boot without dhcp client? |
| 10:59.48 | jm_ | takatumi: pppd options + chat verbosity |
| 10:59.51 | directhex|work | xam, well that too. if it DID work, of course, it'd be helluva slow, and unstable |
| 11:00.07 | Gathond | elirips: dont tell the interface to load automagically in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:00.11 | maestro[] | elirips: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:00.14 | elirips | maestro[]: isn't it possible that ifplugd takes full control over dhcp? |
| 11:00.29 | maestro[] | elirips: I don't know ifplugd :) |
| 11:00.31 | elirips | and only tries to get an ip if the cable is pluged in? |
| 11:00.57 | maestro[] | elirips: it looks like this is possible |
| 11:01.14 | elirips | Gathond: if i remove the auto entry, will ifplugd still work? |
| 11:01.26 | Gathond | elirips: I would assume so |
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| 11:01.35 | maestro[] | elirips: Guess so... why not just give it a try? |
| 11:01.37 | elirips | okay, i will try that, thanks for your help. |
| 11:01.58 | PDD | hi guys |
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| 11:02.07 | PDD | are .<filename> hidden files? |
| 11:02.12 | KursK | yes |
| 11:02.13 | thomas_adam | PDD: Ys. |
| 11:02.17 | Gathond | elirips: but I have never used ifplugd ... but my guess is it just rund ifup/ifdown as appropriatly, and all auto does is making the system run ifup opon boot |
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| 11:02.22 | PDD | so how can I get ls to show them up? |
| 11:02.27 | thomas_adam | PDD: ls -a |
| 11:02.31 | Guerin | PDD: man ls |
| 11:02.38 | PDD | cheers guys |
| 11:02.54 | elirips | Gathond: Yes, ifplugd only runs ifup/down, so i will try that. thanks people for your help :) |
| 11:02.55 | thomas_adam | It's OK. I like helping lazy people. :| |
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| 11:03.56 | giuppi | i've downloaded sarge-i386-netinst.iso (108Mb) but it doesn't offer the option of downloading the base system from the internet.. isn't there such an option in one of the D-I flavours? |
| 11:04.13 | thomas_adam | giuppi: That ISO contains the base-system. |
| 11:04.20 | jm_ | giuppi: why would it ? the base is on CD, isn't it ? |
| 11:04.29 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.37 | giuppi | thomas_adam, jm_: my cdrom reader is Broken, and sometimes fails |
| 11:04.38 | directhex|work | giuppi, the business card does that, or you can force the netinst to with expert or expert26 boot options |
| 11:04.50 | giuppi | directhex|work: thank you |
| 11:04.54 | thomas_adam | giuppi: That has nothing to do with whether the base-system is on the CD or not. |
| 11:05.22 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: You are reading some odd instructions, if so. |
| 11:05.24 | KursK | got a problem...after X is coming up (XFree86) it tell-s me there is an internal error / problem with xkb configuration (msg appears in GNOME). I @downgraded@ my config to US, but still the error occurs. In my error log of XF86 there is the line Error loading keymap /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/compiled/server-0.xkm...but this file does not exist on the whole system?? |
| 11:05.40 | thomas_adam | KursK: see the BTS -- for gnome it is mentioned there many times. |
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| 11:05.57 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, i am following the lifewithqmail guid |
| 11:06.06 | KursK | thomas_adam, what is BTS? |
| 11:06.27 | thomas_adam | !tell KursK -about bts |
| 11:06.36 | xam | KursK read the topic |
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| 11:08.20 | maestro[] | wuah, the whole morning, I tried to fix the settings for that keyboard... now I realize that it is broken |
| 11:08.49 | KursK | xam, oh, eow, didn-t knew that... |
| 11:09.26 | KursK | this explains a lot.... |
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| 11:10.43 | leikh | i have exim4 with exim4-daemon-heavy. is spamassassin and mailscanner and clamav-daemon a recommended combination to go with this? |
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| 11:11.39 | KursK | so sarge is right now useless with gonem and I should step down to woodz_ |
| 11:11.42 | KursK | woody_ |
| 11:11.43 | KursK | ? |
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| 11:11.59 | directhex|work | !downgrade |
| 11:11.59 | dpkg | hmm... downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 11:12.15 | Guerin | KursK: just don't use gnome. You can't downgrade to woody. |
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| 11:12.30 | directhex|work | use xfce4, it cures cancer & smells of cinnamon |
| 11:12.38 | thomas_adam | Hardly. |
| 11:13.13 | Guerin | mmmm-mm, cinnamon |
| 11:13.13 | KursK | Guerin, have to think about that....thx all |
| 11:14.17 | ricochet | I installed testing, is there a way I can get the new firefox release from apt w/o going unstable? |
| 11:14.23 | PDD | Hi Guys, |
| 11:14.35 | PDD | can anyone direct me toa good Debian SSH tutorial |
| 11:14.39 | jm_ | ricochet: build it yourself |
| 11:14.40 | directhex|work | ricochet, yeah, download the .deb from a mirror and dpkg -i it |
| 11:14.42 | PDD | Im having a few problems |
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| 11:15.23 | PDD | i can log in under a local user account but thats it |
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| 11:15.55 | thomas_adam | PDD: That's a feature. |
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| 11:16.04 | PDD | really |
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| 11:16.14 | PDD | so I have to setup local accounts for anyone who wants ssh access? |
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| 11:18.15 | PDD | do I? |
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| 11:19.28 | Arkerless | greetings |
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| 11:20.57 | bartden | how can i open .chm files, they are compiled html files ?? |
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| 11:21.40 | Arkerless | when I try to apt-get remove exim it insists that I want to replace it with exim4 - but I don't, this server shouldn't have smtp at all, can anyone tell me how to get rid of it cleanly? |
| 11:21.53 | zeeble | bartden: xchm |
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| 11:22.17 | bartden | is it possible to open it in an browser (like opera) |
| 11:22.22 | jetscreamer | http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/htmlhelp/html/vsconHH1Start.asp |
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| 11:23.03 | PerfDave | Arkerless: You can not and should not run without an MTA. |
| 11:23.12 | jhokip | how to regist? |
| 11:23.37 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.45 | jhokip | thanks |
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| 11:25.02 | jhokip | REGISTER |
| 11:25.21 | faxo | how do we configure the sound card ? |
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| 11:26.16 | Arkerless | PerfDave - would you care to elaborate on that? |
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| 11:26.55 | PerfDave | Arkerless: Not really ;) |
| 11:27.00 | jhokip | register zaq12wsx |
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| 11:27.24 | jetscreamer | it's /msg nickserv register blah |
| 11:27.29 | PerfDave | Hmmm... /whois jhokip, ssh to that IP, try that password ;) |
| 11:27.33 | jetscreamer | try /msg nickserv help register |
| 11:27.46 | PDD | any of u guys in the US by the way? |
| 11:27.49 | jetscreamer | no |
| 11:27.55 | jetscreamer | we're all foreign |
| 11:28.05 | PerfDave | I'm not foreign, I live in England! :) |
| 11:28.11 | PDD | Im in Ireland |
| 11:28.14 | PDD | anyone in the sates? |
| 11:28.14 | Arkerless | PerfDave - you shouldn't run services that are not needed and used - they waste resources and possibly expose vulnerabilities for no gain. Box is a dedicated webserver, not a mail server, not a workstation |
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| 11:28.21 | jhokip | set |
| 11:28.23 | jetscreamer | lies, you're all russian |
| 11:28.26 | jhokip | SET |
| 11:28.32 | Stinky_Finger | hike |
| 11:28.34 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 11:28.40 | jetscreamer | jhokip, read the help |
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| 11:28.45 | PerfDave | Arkerless: Clearly this service is needed. You don't have to open it to the outside world. |
| 11:28.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.56 | jetscreamer | nickserv even |
| 11:29.10 | PDD | I need someone to send me hardware from the states |
| 11:29.16 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 11:29.20 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:29.24 | jetscreamer | give me your cc # |
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| 11:29.52 | Arelius_ | how do I run a command when my eth card loads? |
| 11:30.17 | PerfDave | Arelius_: man interfaces |
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| 11:30.35 | quad | hi. is there a way to list all running processes sorted by memory consumption? |
| 11:30.44 | streuner | top |
| 11:30.46 | jetscreamer | no top won't work |
| 11:31.00 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 11:31.04 | jm_ | quad: man ps |
| 11:31.14 | jetscreamer | sorry streuner |
| 11:31.23 | jetscreamer | i meant there is no top |
| 11:31.30 | jetscreamer | vaporware |
| 11:31.31 | sobersabre | grub q. |
| 11:31.40 | PDD | guys for SSH its only people who have a user account on that machine? |
| 11:31.42 | Stinky_Finger | can someone help me with gstreamer? |
| 11:31.53 | maestro[] | PDD: Yes |
| 11:31.59 | sobersabre | what shall i tell in grub menu.lst to tell that kernel doesn't use initrd ? |
| 11:32.00 | PerfDave | PDD: Yes, it's a secure shell ;) |
| 11:32.11 | SlayerXP | Stinky_Finger: if you can concisely explain your problem, maybe |
| 11:32.11 | jm_ | sobersabre: nothing |
| 11:32.21 | PDD | ok well I set it up and did the keys but it wont accept the passphrase |
| 11:32.24 | sobersabre | why then do i get "can't mount root" ? |
| 11:32.25 | PerfDave | sobersabre: If you use make-kpkg it should all Just Magically Work, I'd've thought. |
| 11:32.28 | PDD | can u point me to a tutorial |
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| 11:32.35 | PerfDave | !u |
| 11:32.35 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 11:32.36 | maestro[] | PDD: for ssh? |
| 11:32.40 | PDD | yeah |
| 11:32.43 | Stinky_Finger | I have a .avi file and audio won't play in gstreamer but video plays |
| 11:32.44 | PerfDave | /usr/share/doc/ssh ? |
| 11:32.51 | maestro[] | ppd: Are you interested in keys or just ssh? |
| 11:32.53 | Stinky_Finger | the same file will play audio in totem but no video |
| 11:32.54 | PDD | it will accept the password for the login but not the passphrase I setup using ssh-keygen |
| 11:33.01 | SlayerXP | Stinky_Finger: that's not a debian problem |
| 11:33.05 | PerfDave | Stinky_Finger: Probably you don't have the right codecs, or your players aren't seeing them. |
| 11:33.09 | jetscreamer | tee yuuuu veee doubleyuuuu ecccchhs why and zeeee |
| 11:33.09 | sobersabre | PerfDave, can it be i simply compiled IDE as module, so it won't be able to mount root , or understand "/dev/hda6" ? |
| 11:33.24 | PerfDave | sobersabre: YES |
| 11:33.25 | maestro[] | PDD: Did you disable pubkey authentication? |
| 11:33.29 | Stinky_Finger | I think I got all the gstreamer, i'll look again |
| 11:33.32 | Stinky_Finger | thanks |
| 11:33.41 | jm_ | sobersabre: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 11:33.43 | alex | hey there, I understand how /etc/aliases works, if I have postmaster: root, all emails to postmaster@mydomain will be forward to root@mydomain, but where is mydomain defined ? is it /etc/hostname ? should I create a /etc/defaultdomain ? |
| 11:33.55 | PDD | eh Im going to have to say no, what is pubkey authentication? |
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| 11:34.12 | maestro[] | PDD: It's what you're trying to do |
| 11:34.13 | PerfDave | PDD: Public key authentication |
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| 11:34.41 | PDD | but its not checking my passphrase (private key) agains my public key |
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| 11:34.45 | PerfDave | alex: No, all mails to the postmaster account on that machine will be redirected to the root account on that machine |
| 11:34.46 | PDD | its just accepting my users login |
| 11:34.54 | maestro[] | PDD: Discribe exactley what you did |
| 11:35.05 | PDD | maestro can I dcc u? |
| 11:35.16 | maestro[] | PDD: Did you generate a keypair, add it do authorized_keys and all? |
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| 11:36.24 | alex | PerfDave: okay but how do I set then an email addresse ? directly in /etc/aliases: 'root:alex@somewhere.com' ? is that the way of doing it ? |
| 11:36.27 | quad | jm_: k thanks found the custom format options |
| 11:36.42 | jm_ | quad: yeah and there's also --sort |
| 11:36.49 | elirips | hello, i'm back with a last suspend/resume-problem: if i suspend my laptop (ibm thinkpad t40p) my network dies slowly when it comes out of standby. 1 or 2 minutes after it comes out of standby nothing works on eth0. i tried running ifdown, unloading module e1000 before suspend and then reload the moudle and run ifup again, but that didn't help. any ideas what i could do to fix this annoying problem? |
| 11:37.00 | PerfDave | alex: That will work, but will break if your mail routing falls over for some reason. |
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| 11:37.36 | alex | PerfDave: what is the official way of doing it ? |
| 11:38.27 | PerfDave | alex: Deliver root mail to a local user account, and either check it locally or pull it to a remote machine using fetchmail or similar. |
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| 11:39.02 | jhokip | help |
| 11:39.44 | alex | PerfDave: but that is my question I have forwarded root to alex who is my normal account, but still where do I set an email address for alex ? |
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| 11:40.36 | quad | jm: roger that |
| 11:41.08 | cblack | hi all. can anyone tell me what sort of problem errors like: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } might be caused by? |
| 11:41.32 | sep | cblack, a dying harddrive |
| 11:41.35 | PerfDave | alex: What do you mean? |
| 11:41.43 | directhex|work | cblack, a dying disk, but more likely crap cables |
| 11:41.44 | jm_ | cblack: check error= and status= numbers |
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| 11:42.18 | jm_ | cblack: 84 might mean bad cables IIRC, google for it |
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| 11:42.48 | alex | PerfDave: let say I have root: alex, all mail send to rent will be redirected to the mailbox of alex, but how do I create a mailbox to alex, does this goes through my MTA , I am confused there ? |
| 11:43.08 | alex | s/rent/root |
| 11:43.13 | cblack | jm_, directhex|work: hmm. if it is cables, is it even possible to check those within a laptop? sadly i'm not very familiar with laptop hardware. |
| 11:43.21 | PerfDave | alex: Every user has a mail spool in /var/spool/mail which you can check on the local machine. |
| 11:43.27 | directhex|work | cblack, no. send it back, get a new one |
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| 11:43.41 | PerfDave | alex: Do "echo test | mail -s Test alex" then run mutt or something as alex to see :) |
| 11:43.51 | alex | PerfDave: that is my question, I did not know that, every user system ? |
| 11:44.11 | cblack | directhex|work: d'oh. wish that was an option. bought it used. :\ ahh well. least i didn't pay a ton for it. though would turning off dma on the drive help at all? |
| 11:44.13 | PerfDave | What does "every user system" mean? |
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| 11:44.54 | alex | PerfDave: you said Every user has a mail spool, we are talking about users of the system that has been created with adduser for ex ? |
| 11:44.58 | elirips | is it stupid to use a kernel-source from kernel.org, instead of using a kernel-source-deb-package? |
| 11:44.59 | PerfDave | alex: Yes |
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| 11:45.12 | jm_ | elirips: no |
| 11:45.19 | PerfDave | elirips: That depends on your reason for doing so. |
| 11:45.55 | elirips | PerfDave: I am using testing, but there is no image for kernel 2.6.9 in testing... i would like to use that. kernel 2.6.8 i compiled with the source from the deb-package.. |
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| 11:46.48 | PerfDave | elirips: Why do you want to use 2.6.9? |
| 11:46.51 | alex | PerfDave: ok its getting there, but I have nothing in /var/spool/mail when using mutt it ask me to create a mailbox for user alex I said no because I don't want to interfer with my postfix configuration |
| 11:47.11 | PerfDave | alex: What happened to the test mail you sent? |
| 11:47.17 | PerfDave | alex: Why are you using postfix? |
| 11:47.28 | alex | PerfDave: I don't know, should it appear in /var/spool/mail ? |
| 11:47.35 | PerfDave | alex: Probably |
| 11:47.36 | usuario | Como puedo recuperrar el grub de mi debian con un livecd? |
| 11:47.41 | PerfDave | alex: Unless postfix has done something wierd. |
| 11:47.42 | alex | PerfDave: heu why not ? |
| 11:47.52 | alex | !spanish |
| 11:47.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 11:48.06 | PerfDave | alex: Because exim is installed by default, and you shouldn't change it unless you have a good reason |
| 11:48.33 | alex | PerfDave: well its done now and it works fine with about 10 users |
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| 11:48.56 | PerfDave | alex: See, I don't know how postfix works, so I can't help you troubleshoot your problem. |
| 11:49.08 | alex | PerfDave: thanks anyway |
| 11:49.13 | PerfDave | alex: You may want to ask #postfix or see if there are any postfix users here. |
| 11:49.39 | elirips | PerfDave: Because i hope acpi is a little bit better in there. also cdrecord should work as non-root again. |
| 11:49.56 | alex | I will ask postfix it makes sense, but basically my problem is that I don't have anymore service that take care of my mail for my local user, right ? |
| 11:49.58 | PerfDave | elirips: Fair enough |
| 11:50.05 | PerfDave | alex: No |
| 11:50.20 | PerfDave | alex: postfix *should* be delivering local mail. AFAIK that's part of what it does. |
| 11:50.29 | alex | PerfDave: ok |
| 11:50.43 | PerfDave | alex: I thiink your problem is that you don't understand what you're doing, and went and installed something you understand even less. |
| 11:51.19 | elirips | PerfDave: or my question in an other way: what is the difference between the kernel-source-deb package, and the tarball i download from kernel.org? |
| 11:51.46 | PerfDave | elirips Debian kernel-source packages have patches applied by the Debian kernel-source package maintainers, AFAIK. |
| 11:52.08 | PerfDave | elirips: Also in 2.6 I'd expect them to be more stable, since upstream seem to have passed the buck on stability to distro maintainers. |
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| 11:57.51 | elirips | PerfDave: and now the argument that forces me to go to kernel 2.6.9: from the changelog of kernel.org: [PATCH] e1000 - suspend/resume fix from alex@zodiac.dasalias.org |
| 11:58.28 | elirips | :) |
| 11:58.30 | PerfDave | elirips: So use 2.6.9 from kernel.org or just wait for a Debian package ;) |
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| 11:59.19 | cire | I have patched my kernel and compiled the madwifi driver into it. When disabling WEP on my AP everything works fine. With WEP enabled, I also can surf, and access (ping, SAMBA,...) other PCs, but after some seconds, my connection has a timeout. (ssh connection freezes, SAMBA freezes, homepage stops loading after a few KBs). I have the Realtek WG511T card. |
| 11:59.20 | elirips | PerfDave: i'm just downloading the source... ah, i'm happy again with my t40p |
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| 12:09.23 | alex | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.28 | alex | lol |
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| 12:11.05 | giuppi | how to create a variable named "table" in mysql and then use something like: "select * from $table" ? |
| 12:11.19 | Guerin | giuppi: #mysql, for fuck's sakes |
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| 12:12.10 | PerfDave | Guerin: #postgresql, let's do them a favour ;) |
| 12:12.44 | hArTh | hi all. I have a debian box acting as a fw and router for my private network. I also have two adsl connections comming into the box. I need to setup routing to direct traffic generated and received on certain ports within my home network to go to the one isp and all the other traffic to go to the other isp. Can someone point me to a good rescource on this? Google isnt helping much... |
| 12:13.02 | lunaphyte | alex: your mta will create the mailbox automatically when mail is received. |
| 12:13.03 | PerfDave | hArTh: /msg dpkg lartc |
| 12:14.05 | hArTh | PerfDave i dont have a level of knowledge to get the lartc stuff. i need to howto that holds me hand :) |
| 12:14.20 | hArTh | s/to/a |
| 12:14.21 | PerfDave | hArTh: http://www.netfilter.org/ has some documentation |
| 12:14.29 | alex | lunaphyte: I have done a echo tst | mail -s TEST alex and I got nothing |
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| 12:14.33 | PerfDave | hArTh: But if you can't grok lartc, you probably are going to have much difficulty with this. |
| 12:14.36 | d34l3r | how can i reduce the gaim buddy list font size? |
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| 12:15.08 | alex | lunaphyte: it has not createa default mailbox |
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| 12:15.42 | hArTh | PerfDave ok lemme try lartc again |
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| 12:15.50 | ||ugh | Qapf: What apt package has the standard /usr/include files in it? I need it quickly and can't find it! |
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| 12:15.57 | lunaphyte | alex: is postfix running? tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep postfix while you do it. |
| 12:16.06 | alex | lunaphyte: yes it is |
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| 12:16.31 | PerfDave | hArTh: I mean, I'm not sure how you'd go about it for starters, since routing is normally done on the IP level, not TCP. You'll have to do some hacking. |
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| 12:17.38 | Coatman | ver irc.voila.fr |
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| 12:19.05 | Guerin | PerfDave: heh, fair play |
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| 12:21.21 | pnm | hi all |
| 12:21.48 | pnm | I'm configuring an old machine as a router (running debian stable) and I'd like it to run a dns server |
| 12:21.59 | pnm | just wondering whether to go for the bind or bind9 package |
| 12:22.03 | pnm | any ideas? |
| 12:22.07 | lunaphyte | bind9 |
| 12:22.17 | pnm | ah, ok |
| 12:22.18 | pnm | thanks |
| 12:22.28 | pnm | why are there two options, just out of interest? |
| 12:22.38 | lunaphyte | some people still like bind 8 |
| 12:22.46 | pnm | ah, fair enough |
| 12:22.50 | d34l3r | how can i reduce the gaim buddy list font size? |
| 12:22.59 | peterS | lunaphyte: no doubt a few people are still using bind 4 (: |
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| 12:23.15 | peterS | lunaphyte: not on Debian, of course |
| 12:23.19 | lunaphyte | peterS: true too... |
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| 12:23.33 | lunaphyte | i still use a HOSTS file downloaded nightly |
| 12:23.39 | pnm | hehe |
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| 12:23.57 | alex | PerfDave: lunaphyte: ok I got it working now thanks |
| 12:23.58 | d34l3r | anybody use gaim? |
| 12:24.05 | peterS | pnm: anyway, when bind9 was new, it was not as mature as bind 8, and lots of people didn't trust it. they also saw no need to upgrade from working software to unknown software. the situation has changed somewhat in the past few years |
| 12:24.08 | PerfDave | alex: Cool |
| 12:24.14 | peterS | lunaphyte: heh. |
| 12:24.19 | peterS | lunaphyte: it's getting pretty big |
| 12:24.28 | peterS | lunaphyte: I hope you use rsync rather than downloading the whole thing |
| 12:24.47 | DF| | anyone else had a OpenOffice.org problem on sarge, where it just freezes when it loads |
| 12:24.57 | pnm | peterS: ok - thanks.. so it's thought to be mature and reliable now? |
| 12:25.21 | peterS | pnm: I guess you'll get different opinions on that. but the bind 9 branch *is* several years old now. |
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| 12:25.40 | PerfDave | DF|: Checked the BTS? |
| 12:25.42 | peterS | pnm: bind 9.0 was more or less a complete rewrite from bind 8.x - not just an incremental new version |
| 12:25.55 | lunaphyte | peterS: i do an rsync, and grep through for the machines i'll be looking up that day. |
| 12:25.57 | pnm | peterS: ah, ok... I'll give it a go, anyway |
| 12:26.01 | pnm | thanks |
| 12:26.08 | DF| | PerfDave, heh, what is BTS? |
| 12:26.26 | PerfDave | !bts |
| 12:26.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:26.31 | peterS | pnm: I've used bind9 for years, works great for me. my needs are pretty modest - never more than half a dozen domains on one server |
| 12:26.41 | DF| | ahh cool |
| 12:26.48 | DF| | ta |
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| 12:29.20 | Raf256 | re |
| 12:29.39 | Raf256 | I have computer A I want to connect via secure-ftp to computer C |
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| 12:29.41 | corpix | hi |
| 12:29.49 | Raf256 | but computer C dont accept my IP |
| 12:29.55 | corpix | does anyone know how to burn cue/mp3 files ? |
| 12:30.06 | Raf256 | luckly, computer B (that is in same lan as C) is mine |
| 12:30.33 | jm_ | corpix: cue/mp3 ? you mean cue/bin ? use cdrdao |
| 12:30.33 | corpix | nope |
| 12:30.33 | Raf256 | can I setup socket5 proxy on B |
| 12:30.33 | corpix | cue/mp3 |
| 12:30.33 | jm_ | that makes no sense |
| 12:30.33 | Raf256 | so that I could from A connect to C via B's proxy? in scp/sftp/ssh protocol? |
| 12:30.55 | corpix | sure it does, the cue file points to the mp3 and the tracks in it. |
| 12:31.10 | corpix | like onthefly mp3 decode & burn |
| 12:31.45 | jm_ | sounds like something a windows retards would use |
| 12:31.53 | SlayerXP | Raf256: yes, you have our permission to do so |
| 12:32.08 | SlayerXP | thanks for asking, though |
| 12:32.18 | corpix | jm_, ? |
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| 12:32.21 | topside | I just want to confirm the kernel.org slowness isnt just me |
| 12:32.23 | Raf256 | SlayerXP- ehm.... will socket proxy allow to do this ;) |
| 12:32.40 | topside | everyone is getting slow speeds to kernel.org right? like 20Kb/s or so |
| 12:32.43 | leikh | is MailScanner a bad thing with exim4? |
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| 12:32.49 | Raf256 | or perhaps there is a better way of connecting to C computer |
| 12:33.27 | sep | Raf256, ssh has built in tunneling capabilities, you dont need a dedicated proxy for that, |
| 12:33.27 | ||ugh | Question, I have a Debian sarge system that lacks a /usr/include, can anyone tell me what apt/dpkg package name I need to get the basic system includes installed? |
| 12:35.14 | Raf256 | sep, but not exacly ssh - it's secure-ftp/scp |
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| 12:35.49 | peterS | ||ugh: build-essential |
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| 12:36.11 | peterS | ||ugh: well, libc6-dev, but you'll need the rest of build-essential soon enough anyway, may as well get it |
| 12:36.12 | sep | you can pass regular ssh arguments to sftp to get the same capabilities, or just run a tunneling ssh session first, then the scp |
| 12:36.42 | ||ugh | DAM! NOW I rember from two years ago! Thank you very much PeterS! |
| 12:36.57 | pnm | quick question - am I right in saying dns queries are tcp only? |
| 12:37.01 | ||ugh | Done! Much better! |
| 12:37.14 | peterS | pnm: no |
| 12:37.20 | peterS | pnm: most DNS queries are UDP |
| 12:37.29 | peterS | pnm: port 53 in both cases |
| 12:37.31 | pnm | peterS: thanks! |
| 12:37.33 | sep | Raf256, of if you realy want a proxy at B you can apt-cache search socks, there are several to choose from |
| 12:37.45 | Guerin | !tell ||ugh about leading punctuation |
| 12:37.46 | Raf256 | ok, thnx |
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| 12:38.52 | ||ugh | Guerin, it's an old old shorthand for my name. |
| 12:39.08 | peterS | ||ugh: "Hugh" would be even shorter |
| 12:39.13 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:39.23 | rpetre | anybody else had trouble doing a fresh install of openoffice.org in sid recently? |
| 12:39.58 | Guerin | rpetre: someone had trouble the other day, with a file being owned by both openoffice.org and openoffice.org-l10n-en |
| 12:40.02 | ||ugh | And clash with all the other Hugh's out there. I also use //ugh but that would bug some too... IIugh also might work. |
| 12:40.03 | rpetre | yes |
| 12:40.07 | Guerin | or somesuch |
| 12:40.09 | rpetre | that's it |
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| 12:40.30 | rpetre | can i teach apt-get to use --force-overwrite ? |
| 12:40.32 | Guerin | rpetre: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/openoffice.org*.deb |
| 12:40.40 | rpetre | oh |
| 12:40.46 | sobersabre | how to setup grub's splash image ? |
| 12:40.47 | bender-RW- | when i ask 'dpkg' about ssh, it tells me "It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication." - can anyone tell me what that is about? |
| 12:40.51 | rpetre | i haven't thought of that |
| 12:40.53 | rpetre | thanks |
| 12:40.55 | Guerin | rpetre: yes, but the syntax is a pita, so just use dpkg |
| 12:41.16 | rpetre | Guerin: ok, thanks a bunch |
| 12:41.18 | peterS | bender-RW-: dunno, I enable both. |
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| 12:42.43 | Caimlas | anyone here happen to know how to get non-standard drivers with hotplug? I want to use hostap_pci instead of orinoco_pci, but hotplug keeps loading the orinoco_pci driver, despite my entry of hotplug_pci in the /etc/modules file. |
| 12:42.51 | bender-RW- | peterS: yeah me too, thats why i'm asking |
| 12:42.56 | peterS | bender-RW-: RSA auth is more secure than password auth - but I like to have the option of connecting to my ssh server from a machine I do not trust enough to put my private key on. some would say I should not use password-based ssh from such machines either, but I measure my risk |
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| 12:43.29 | The_Vulture | Caimlas: you might need to tell hotplug not to use that driver, I've heard of something like a hotplug blacklist that might be applicable here.. at a guess. |
| 12:43.29 | sep | camimlas: make a /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d dir, and a textfile in there with the driver you _dont_ want hotplug to add as the one line |
| 12:44.05 | Caimlas | sep; any specific name for that file? |
| 12:44.16 | sep | the file can be called anything, i tend to use the name of the driver, |
| 12:44.29 | Caimlas | righty-o |
| 12:44.31 | Caimlas | thanks. |
| 12:44.46 | sep | my guess is that the name of the file dictates in what sequence tehy are used , as in rc2.d directory |
| 12:44.59 | Caimlas | sep: how owuld I be able to tell hotplug to use a specific driver for a task? |
| 12:45.05 | bender-RW- | peterS: yeah, but dpkg explicitly speaks about "enabling both" |
| 12:45.18 | Guerin | !ssh |
| 12:45.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is OpenSSH (www.openssh.org), http://www.ssh.com or ftp://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh or for windows clients ask me about putty, or for mac clients ask me about niftytelnet or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about rsa, or ask about winscp for a GUI SCP client |
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| 12:45.32 | bender-RW- | peterS: so i wonder if there's some risk i'm just not aware of |
| 12:45.34 | Guerin | i don't see why it's unwise |
| 12:45.57 | Guerin | !rsa |
| 12:45.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rsa is a public key encryption algorithm, whose patent expired in the USA in September 2000 |
| 12:45.57 | peterS | bender-RW-: there could be a reason not to, but I don't know it |
| 12:45.57 | bender-RW- | Guerin: yeah me neither, it is still in the text |
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| 12:45.59 | Guerin | bender-RW-: ask #security, maybe |
| 12:46.11 | Guerin | bender-RW-: I'd be interested in the answer, if you find one |
| 12:46.18 | bender-RW- | Guerin: i might try that |
| 12:46.19 | sep | Caimlas, also check that you dont already have a /etc/hotplug/blacklist where you just can add the driver you dont want, |
| 12:46.24 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
| 12:46.26 | sep | for using hotplug i guess man hotplug :P |
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| 12:46.33 | bender-RW- | is there any way to find out who set that dpkg message? |
| 12:46.34 | sep | i just know about disableing it... |
| 12:46.39 | peterS | !factinfo ssh |
| 12:46.39 | dpkg | ssh -- last modified at Wed Aug 8 14:32:36 2001 by lfilipoz!lfilipoz@209.53.25.95; it has been requested 176 times, last by Guerin, 1m 22s ago. |
| 12:46.49 | Caimlas | sep: man hotplug isn't overly clear on how it works or how to configure it |
| 12:47.26 | directhex|work | add $modulename to /etc/hotplug/blacklist. done |
| 12:47.47 | directhex|work | equally, for discover (which will also be present on sarge), add 'skip $modulename' to /etc/discover.conf |
| 12:48.39 | Bogdan | guys. i've tried upgrading my debian woody using kernel 2.2.20, actually kernel upgrading. therefor i took a copy of kernel 2.6.6 i had on a cd, untarred, ran menuconfig.. (did my best to enable to support for whatever hardware i have). upon reboot with the new kernel it didnt recognise my network interfaces at all (rtl8139 interfaces). and alot of others things that need fixing... any idea why kernel 2.6.6 didnt recognise those network cards? |
| 12:49.08 | jm_ | you need to update Woody systems for 2.6 kernels |
| 12:49.09 | Caimlas | meh. what's with all this auto-config shit. irritating. |
| 12:49.27 | streuner | Bogdan: just upgrade to sarge |
| 12:49.37 | The_Vulture | Caimlas: hang around long enough and you'll see a few people arguing that there should be more of it - can't please everyone all the time |
| 12:49.39 | Caimlas | what ever happened to "I know what the files on my system are for, and I know what hardware is in it" |
| 12:49.49 | PDD | hey guys |
| 12:49.52 | Bogdan | i wish i could :) my cd-rw drive doesnt have a cable so i cant plug it into my 2nd ide controller. |
| 12:49.56 | PDD | can anyone help me with x forwarding via ssh |
| 12:50.06 | Bogdan | plus i dont have a floppy drive.. |
| 12:50.08 | Guerin | !sshx |
| 12:50.08 | dpkg | i guess sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 12:50.11 | Caimlas | The_Vulture: at least make it an option. "would you like auto-detection garbage removed?" - like how pcmcia package removal is prompted. |
| 12:50.20 | Guerin | Caimlas: #debian-boot |
| 12:50.40 | streuner | Bogdan: you have debian installed, right? and the network-card work with the 'old' kernel (2.2.20)? |
| 12:50.42 | Guerin | Caimlas: I believe that's possible with the "expert" boot option on the cd |
| 12:50.43 | The_Vulture | Caimlas: just remove hotplug if you don't want it at all.. |
| 12:50.52 | directhex|work | Caimlas, it is an option. apt-get remove --purge discover1 hotplug an_easy_life |
| 12:50.52 | Bogdan | yep of course. the network cards work with 2.2.20 |
| 12:50.54 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 12:51.05 | Guerin | Caimlas: which, if you even know what hardware detection is, you ought to be choosing. |
| 12:51.10 | Raf256 | so, socket-5 is this thing that I need to run on B to connect A --internet-- B -- lan --> C and computer C will see a connection incoming from lan? Or will compute C oryginal A's IP? |
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| 12:51.23 | Caimlas | The_Vulture: a hotplug kernel seems to still hotplug things, though - even with hotplug removed and 0 evidence of it ever being there. |
| 12:51.37 | directhex|work | Caimlas, that's because discover is also installed by default |
| 12:51.38 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 12:51.38 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 12:51.42 | The_Vulture | Caimlas: perhaps you aren't looking for the evidence in the right places |
| 12:51.43 | PDD | anyone? |
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| 12:52.02 | Caimlas | sonofabitch, I didn't see discover was also installed. thanks, directhex|work |
| 12:52.03 | Guerin | PDD: I helped you. unfortunately you appear to be illiterate. |
| 12:52.11 | PDD | huh |
| 12:52.25 | wols_ | Bogdan: since you already have 2.2.0 running, update to sarge with it |
| 12:52.38 | Bogdan | oh.. didnt know t'was possible |
| 12:52.38 | Bogdan | :) |
| 12:52.45 | Guerin | PDD: 21:50:08 < Guerin> !sshx |
| 12:52.47 | Bogdan | just.. do apt-get upgrade ey? |
| 12:53.02 | Guerin | !tell Bogdan about woody->sarge |
| 12:53.05 | Caimlas | Guerin: the 'expert' mode didn't install properly for me; i don't remember what, exactly. may have been my fault and/or a missed step in the installer. |
| 12:53.07 | streuner | Bogdan: are you connected to i-net via gateway? |
| 12:53.07 | PDD | sorry i didnt see that |
| 12:53.12 | wols_ | no. set source.list to sarge instead of "stable" and then apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:53.17 | Caimlas | Guerin: give me the choice, I'd rather have the old one, personally. *shrug* |
| 12:53.21 | wols_ | after that you can compile a 2.6 kernel |
| 12:53.23 | Bogdan | right now i'm stuck on windoze until i finish photoshop tryout download |
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| 12:53.42 | PDD | ok it says command not found? |
| 12:53.49 | Bogdan | and as for em :) inet connection i've got direct connection via cable modem |
| 12:53.52 | Guerin | Caimlas: the "expert" mode simply prompts for input whenever the installer needs it, instead of choosing its default. |
| 12:53.56 | js_ | is sarge the same as testing in the sources? |
| 12:54.12 | directhex|work | js_, currently, yes |
| 12:54.13 | wols_ | yes, sarge is currently testing |
| 12:54.21 | Guerin | PDD: scroll up and read what the bot says, ffs. |
| 12:54.30 | Guerin | PDD: or /msg dpkg sshx |
| 12:54.43 | scorpix | js_: they are the same , but if you use sarge you'll get the stable when it released |
| 12:54.51 | PDD | what bot? |
| 12:54.55 | js_ | scorpix: ah, great |
| 12:54.59 | streuner | Bogdan: you need a working i-net connection with debian to apt-get the debs |
| 12:55.05 | Guerin | !tell PDD about sshx |
| 12:55.05 | wols_ | !sshx |
| 12:55.06 | dpkg | somebody said sshx was Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 12:55.07 | wols_ | that bot |
| 12:55.13 | Guerin | !tell PDD about faq |
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| 12:55.21 | Guerin | !tell PDD about blootbot |
| 12:55.40 | wols_ | Guerin: wouldn't it be easier to just beat him senseless with a cluestick? |
| 12:55.46 | wols_ | much more satisfying that way... |
| 12:55.53 | Caimlas | Guerin: yeah. I had some problems with the partitioning, iirc. it was late, excuse, excuse, etc. |
| 12:56.06 | Guerin | Caimlas: heh |
| 12:56.26 | Guerin | wols_: what can I say, I was struck by a moment of subtelty |
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| 12:56.36 | Caimlas | still, kinda sad to see debian departing from the minimalist mentality. |
| 12:56.46 | directhex|work | which minimalist mentality? |
| 12:56.56 | directhex|work | or which departure, more to the point? |
| 12:57.05 | Guerin | Caimlas: well, it's still there if needed. And still pretty minimal compared with other distros. |
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| 12:57.07 | Caimlas | directhex|work: "don't put needless shit in that isn't needed" mentality |
| 12:57.18 | Caimlas | Guerin: true enough |
| 12:57.19 | Guerin | needless shit that isn't needed? |
| 12:57.22 | directhex|work | Caimlas, for 99% of users, hotplug/discover ARE needed |
| 12:57.31 | Caimlas | directhex|work: I don't need hotplug or discover on a server. |
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| 12:58.00 | Guerin | Caimlas: you're not 99% or users. You know the difference between "a browser" and "the internet" |
| 12:58.02 | directhex|work | Caimlas, good good, but when it explodes, and you need to plug in a keyboard in an emergency, you had better hope you put the right modules into /etc/modules |
| 12:58.02 | Caimlas | directhex|work: and 99% of users shouldn't even be using a computer, let alone linux, and - fuck me standing - not debian. |
| 12:58.11 | Caimlas | Guerin: ^ |
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| 12:58.33 | Guerin | 99% of people ought to be able to USE computers |
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| 12:58.43 | wols_ | directhex|work: that's why $deity invented serial consoles |
| 12:58.45 | Guerin | just not install OSen on them |
| 12:58.49 | edon | does anyone know why the nvidia-source package does not work with 2.6.10* kernel |
| 12:58.53 | directhex|work | wols_, not as reliable as you'd hope |
| 12:58.58 | jm_ | edon: try #nvidia |
| 12:59.07 | directhex|work | edon, because 2.6.10 hasn'r been released yet? |
| 12:59.09 | Caimlas | directhex|work: if something explodes that's important, it better not be an 'emergency' but merely a setback or a "first on the list" situation, if you've done things right. :P |
| 12:59.25 | Caimlas | Guerin: yeah. |
| 12:59.30 | wols_ | well, it doesn't work for booting or bios and such, but then discover/hotplug doesn't work there either |
| 12:59.32 | cyberdo | edon: a hint.. nvidia and 4kb stack doesn't always work well together. |
| 12:59.33 | edon | jm_: directhex|work, the problem is that the debian drivers are to old (from etch tree though) |
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| 12:59.44 | Caimlas | Guerin: the bar needs to be set somewhat higher for OS installation, IMO. none of this "plug it in and it works" nonsenes. |
| 13:00.18 | Caimlas | Guerin: and it's just irritating that things like discover use the orinoco_pci (and the un-patched one at that) over the preferable hostap_pci |
| 13:00.22 | directhex|work | but this is the point, hardware isn't static for the life of said hardware. a user might, gasp, plug in a usb mouse to replace an old ps2 mouse. the /etc/modules approach fucks them in the ass, compared to it just working |
| 13:00.26 | Guerin | Caimlas: that's actually an important distinction; hotplug and discover actually make the user experience easier, as well. Digital cameras, hardware peripherals, etc. |
| 13:00.27 | jm_ | edon: so grab package from nvidia's site and try with it - they released a new version last week |
| 13:00.53 | Caimlas | Guerin: fair enough. |
| 13:01.04 | edon | jm_: I am doing that right now |
| 13:01.19 | Caimlas | still, I (and I'm sure many others) use debian -first- on servers. |
| 13:01.38 | jm_ | edon: I noticed 2.6.9 broke older nvidia driver, didn't bother with new one yet |
| 13:01.38 | wols_ | edon: just make sure you have compiled your own kernel and tell the nv installer about it. otherwise it might get unhappy |
| 13:01.45 | directhex|work | nah, windows on servers, where it belongs |
| 13:01.55 | Guerin | haha |
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| 13:02.34 | wols_ | exactly: without keyboardm, videocard and mouse it doesn't even boot. so you don't need discovver and hotplug :) |
| 13:02.57 | jm_ | my frewalls boots fine without all that crap |
| 13:03.04 | Caimlas | it's not something I feel comfortable enough with (not really understanding/seeing it's work process) to allow it to 'just work' - even if it works reliably/consistently. if something breaks, I'd like to be able to trace the problem back without having an unknown in the scenario. |
| 13:03.12 | Caimlas | I guess that's my biggest gripe |
| 13:03.30 | directhex|work | Caimlas, if it's giving you a hernia, remove it, let everyone else who blesses it for making life easy keep using it |
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| 13:04.05 | Caimlas | if it were as clear and simple as /etc/modules, I'd be fine. but, as I see it, there's no clear correlation between what it does and the directive behind that action. |
| 13:04.15 | Caimlas | directhex|work: oh, I have. :) i'm just bitching on principle. you understand. |
| 13:05.04 | Caimlas | it's like politics. if kerry had one, I bet everyone that voted for him would've found something to hate him for... just as has already happened with the bush lovers |
| 13:05.15 | Caimlas | granted, that's somewhat different |
| 13:05.17 | directhex|work | read /usr/share/doc/discover1/PCI-Structure.gz and /usr/share/doc/hotplug/README.gz |
| 13:05.19 | Caimlas | but the principle is the same |
| 13:05.27 | Caimlas | directhex|work: yeah, i'll do that |
| 13:05.37 | Caimlas | well, later folks |
| 13:05.39 | Guerin | they call it "grass is greener" syndrome |
| 13:05.43 | Caimlas | thanks for the help |
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| 13:05.48 | Caimlas | Guerin: yep. |
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| 13:06.07 | Caimlas | Guerin: now, if only everyone were to just be strung up on the fence, there'd be no more problems... |
| 13:06.21 | Caimlas | :P |
| 13:06.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 13:06.59 | Caimlas | take care. |
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| 13:08.00 | solata | hmmm .... any idea if VIA AC'97 sound card work on linux ? and if , how to set it up ? |
| 13:08.13 | Guerin | !tell solata about ac97 |
| 13:08.25 | directhex|work | solata, yes, and automagically, give or take, on a recent kernel |
| 13:08.27 | jotham | :( |
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| 13:08.48 | Gavrila | Hi anyone here knows how to change evolution timestamp format? |
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| 13:09.14 | Gavrila | does anyone know* |
| 13:09.26 | Guerin | Gavrila: #gnome irc.gimp.org |
| 13:09.43 | Gavrila | Guerin, thanks |
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| 13:10.16 | mathieu | Guerin, is that a different network? |
| 13:10.25 | Guerin | mathieu: yes. |
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| 13:11.15 | naim | why does vim and ncurses act different in xterm than in console ?? i cant press any up/down keys, if i do menuconfig in xterm, then try to go down using up/down buttons.. it quits |
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| 13:12.48 | solata | ually (for OSS, not ALSA) this means either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio. ... hmmm ... so lspci tells me i have VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller, is there any .deb package i can re4trieve using apt-get ,or do i already have support in kernel , or do i need to find package somewhere else on the web ? |
| 13:13.31 | mathieu | modprobe <module> |
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| 13:13.50 | Guerin | dpkg, no, ac97 is <reply> There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 13:13.50 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 13:14.24 | Guerin | solata: modprobe snd-via82xx snd-pcm-oss if you have a 2.6 kernel |
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| 13:16.16 | solata | hmmm ... i have 2.4 kernel, and those modules are not found :q |
| 13:16.38 | jk_work | Has anybody here built the madwifi driver according to the recipe at |
| 13:16.43 | jk_work | http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi ? |
| 13:16.47 | Guerin | solata: so use via82cxxx |
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| 13:17.31 | lorenzo | hi! need help with update-mime |
| 13:17.47 | lorenzo | It always segmentafaults |
| 13:18.08 | lorenzo | At the moment it's impossible to install any package |
| 13:18.30 | Guerin | lorenzo: bts ? |
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| 13:18.39 | lorenzo | :-) |
| 13:18.41 | lorenzo | yes |
| 13:18.52 | PDD | can anyone help me with samba share permissions? |
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| 13:19.01 | Guerin | PDD: #samba |
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| 13:19.05 | PDD | cool |
| 13:19.07 | PDD | cheers |
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| 13:19.20 | phaedral | exit |
| 13:19.22 | Guerin | honestly, how hard was that to figure out for yourself? |
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| 13:19.48 | Ronin | Guerin: thats a trick question right? |
| 13:21.22 | Guerin | Ronin: yeah, pure trickery. |
| 13:21.50 | solata | Guerin, via82cxxx will work with ALSA too ? |
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| 13:22.21 | Raf256 | with socket 5 server would You reccomend? |
| 13:22.25 | eruditus | I downloaded a .deb package which contains my printer drivers. How do I install it? |
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| 13:22.45 | SlayerXP | eruditus: "an dpkg" |
| 13:22.47 | SlayerXP | err |
| 13:22.50 | SlayerXP | eruditus: "man dpkg" |
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| 13:23.06 | Guerin | solata: no, that's an oss module. if you want to use alsa, run a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:23.20 | SlayerXP | Raf256: I recommend using one that has all the features you require. |
| 13:23.35 | Guerin | and none of the bugs yoou don't |
| 13:23.44 | xaero | !info unzp |
| 13:23.45 | xaero | !info unzip |
| 13:23.45 | Raf256 | omg :] |
| 13:23.50 | xaero | are there 2 diff versions of unzip |
| 13:23.51 | Raf256 | with one coud U reccomend |
| 13:23.51 | dpkg | unzip: (De-archiver for .zip files), section utils, is optional. Version: 5.51-2 (sid), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 13:23.55 | xaero | free and non-free? |
| 13:24.00 | SlayerXP | Raf256: try english. |
| 13:24.03 | Sumi_ | dpkg -i yourpack.deb |
| 13:24.10 | Raf256 | free one |
| 13:24.44 | Gavrila | !locale |
| 13:24.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, locale is something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. |
| 13:24.55 | Gavrila | !localedef |
| 13:25.12 | Guerin | hehe |
| 13:25.16 | Guerin | that's a good factoid |
| 13:26.16 | solata | doma:/home/solata# modprobe via82cxxx ; seems this works ok. Next i run XMMS, go to properties, and tell it to use OSS driver. i try to play CD, but seems its still sending it to /dev/null since i dont get any sound :| any idea what is wrong ? |
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| 13:27.02 | Guerin | solata: don't test using xmms |
| 13:27.08 | Guerin | !gui tools |
| 13:27.08 | dpkg | Don't use gui tools for diagnostics unless you have absolutely no choice. Console-based tools give much more useful and sane feedback, and often are more configurable. |
| 13:27.12 | cyberdo | solata: try a mp3 |
| 13:27.35 | Aloriel | anyone with sound problems in sid? |
| 13:27.37 | cyberdo | cd-audio is most of the times sent via the seperate cable between the CD and soundcard |
| 13:27.42 | Aloriel | (hi) |
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| 13:27.59 | Guerin | cat /boot/vmlinuz* > /dev/dsp |
| 13:28.05 | Guerin | that's the way to test |
| 13:28.12 | xaero | lol |
| 13:28.13 | Guerin | Aloriel: no, nobody. |
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| 13:29.11 | Sumi_ | hehe |
| 13:29.16 | Sumi_ | the sound of the kernel:) |
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| 13:31.51 | solata | well i cant use mp3 , since i dont have any mp3s in my computer, but i did #dcd 1 quit ; and ... nothing happens , dcd seems like playing , but nothing gets to my sound card :\ |
| 13:32.05 | Guerin | solata: do what I told you |
| 13:32.08 | Sumi_ | is your cd wired to your soundcard? |
| 13:32.15 | Guerin | I don't know what this dcd is |
| 13:32.23 | Deicide | Anyone else getting a segfault when apt-get tries to parse the package tree? It appears to be happening in ld-linux.so.2 or lower, I last dist-upgraded my box on Friday. |
| 13:32.42 | lunaphyte | where might i find an ssl related channel? |
| 13:32.46 | Sumi_ | Deicide, maybe a new machine? (like memory?) |
| 13:32.58 | Guerin | lunaphyte: #security, maybe #openssh |
| 13:33.01 | Deicide | Sumi_: No, I've had this box run flawlessly for over 2 years |
| 13:33.11 | Sumi_ | everything brokes once.. |
| 13:33.25 | Guerin | Deicide: BTS, strace. Are you using siid? |
| 13:33.29 | Deicide | Well, sure, but I was hoping that I wasn't the only one :) |
| 13:33.29 | Guerin | s/ii/i/ |
| 13:33.41 | lunaphyte | guerin: thanks. |
| 13:33.56 | xaero | when i upload files on my ftp, the file sizes get negative o_O |
| 13:34.03 | Deicide | I tried BTS, don't see it mentioned. strace catches the segfault after many calls to gettimeofday() |
| 13:34.07 | Deicide | And no, not running sid |
| 13:34.13 | Sumi_ | why is this alpha so slow:( |
| 13:34.16 | Sumi_ | i can't belive it |
| 13:34.17 | Deicide | wait, or am I.. hold on |
| 13:34.23 | Guerin | ... |
| 13:34.23 | solata | hmmm ,... yes my cd is wired , and when i do cat /boot/vmlinuz* > /dev/dsp ; ... i hear ... YIHA :D works :) thanks |
| 13:34.54 | Guerin | solata: ok. as what user did you cat your kernel to your audio device? |
| 13:34.57 | Sumi_ | will it be faster without framebuffer? (xfree86)? |
| 13:35.01 | Deicide | Yeah, I'm running sid |
| 13:35.04 | cyberdo | solata: about the CD... it might be the volume thats set to 0. try to use a mixer |
| 13:35.05 | solata | Guerin, root |
| 13:35.06 | Deicide | Sorry, brain freeze there |
| 13:35.18 | Guerin | solata: adduser yourusernamehere audio |
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| 13:35.23 | solata | hmmm ... well no , i dont hear the kernel ... sorry ... but i DO hear kde sounds, like minimizing windows and stuff |
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| 13:35.42 | Guerin | solata: ok, arts is breaking things then |
| 13:35.47 | Deicide | I'll see if tonight's update will help, if not, I'll report a bug |
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| 13:36.18 | Guerin | run kcontrol and kill arts, or apt-get install xmms-arts and tell xmms to use arts output |
| 13:36.19 | Sumi_ | Deicide, but your bug is in a broken memory.. |
| 13:36.21 | Sumi_ | i bet. |
| 13:36.45 | cyberdo | solata: also... you might have to add your user to the group sound "adduser <username> sound" |
| 13:36.48 | Sumi_ | try to run memtest. |
| 13:36.54 | Guerin | Deicide: do any other things segfault? Particularly memory intensive things... |
| 13:37.03 | Sumi_ | anyway.. is this an x86? |
| 13:37.04 | simonrvn | cyberdo: audio |
| 13:37.07 | PerfDave | This is because I'm far too lazy to get ALSA working properly ;) |
| 13:37.17 | Guerin | cyberdo: if you don't know, don't guess. |
| 13:37.18 | cyberdo | well.. autio then... my bad |
| 13:38.15 | cyberdo | audio* |
| 13:39.00 | Sumi_ | is it normal, that windows tileing lags with a 233mhz alpha cpu under xfree? |
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| 13:39.18 | Sumi_ | -s |
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| 13:39.26 | Guerin | Sumi_: I don't know about alpha, but I run xfree perfectly snappy on a 233mhz x86 |
| 13:39.50 | Sumi_ | yeah.. thats the point.. i run it on a ppro200 flawless as well |
| 13:39.59 | Sumi_ | but it's very very very slow on this alpha.. |
| 13:40.07 | solata | ok now with arts it works .... but ... this isnt realy good quality is it ? |
| 13:40.12 | Sumi_ | and i don't have a clue.. where the problem could be.. |
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| 13:41.01 | Guerin | solata: you tell us. |
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| 13:42.40 | solata | Guerin, nope its not ... but hmmm ... for some strange reason now it works also with OSS :D thanks :) seems this works now :D |
| 13:43.17 | Deicide | No, nothing else segfaults |
| 13:43.32 | Deicide | I push this box pretty hard each and every day, it handles everything fine |
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| 13:44.29 | terr1_ | Im behind a firewall, and want to play an online game. It needs like 8 ports, and thoes ports are closed in the firewall. Cant you bypass this by using a proxy of some sort? Do I need 1 open port in the firewall for each port The game needs, or just 1 to the proxy? (I want to setup this proxy on debian) do any1 know an application (proxy) that can do this, or know a more apropiate channel for these kind of questions? |
| 13:44.30 | phaedral | is there any hope after tar pcvf when I really meant xvf? |
| 13:44.30 | J_P | hi all |
| 13:44.42 | Deicide | I'll run memtest after work hours today, perhaps my RAM did decide to quit |
| 13:44.43 | Guerin | Deicide: ok, something's fucked, then. File the specific behavior and strace output to the BTS |
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| 13:45.13 | Deicide | Guerin: I'll do that, but you guys have a point that memtest might answer some questions so I'll do that first |
| 13:45.30 | Guerin | terr1_: #iptables |
| 13:45.53 | Guerin | terr1_: this is doable with iptables trickery, but a game that needs 8 ports? WTF? |
| 13:46.00 | terr1_ | wow |
| 13:46.01 | terr1_ | 8) |
| 13:46.06 | terr1_ | world of warcraft |
| 13:46.16 | J_P | people, here in sarge in compile kernel 2.6.8 and in boot show this message : VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknow-block(0,0). Please append a correct "root" bootoption. kernel Panic : VFS: Unable to mount root fs. Anyone know as resolv this ? |
| 13:46.26 | Guerin | terr1_: I don't thikn a proxy can necessarily do it... |
| 13:46.31 | terr1_ | Guerin: ill try to ask in iptables thx |
| 13:46.39 | lorenzo | did anybody experience problems with update-mime? It's always sement faulting |
| 13:46.40 | Guerin | J_P: fuck's sake, we've told you about this error dozens of time |
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| 13:46.44 | Deicide | terr1: Do you know what the firewall is? |
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| 13:47.05 | terr1_ | Deicide: what do you mean? what type it is or whats closed? |
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| 13:47.06 | Deicide | terr1: As in, is it software, or part of a switch/router? |
| 13:47.06 | Guerin | terr1_: sorry, my presumption was that your firewall was iptables |
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| 13:47.34 | Guerin | J_P: compile your root fs and your rooot drive interface and anything else critical INTO the kernel, not as modules |
| 13:47.35 | terr1_ | Deicide: not sure, but I know a person on that network who have a working setup (he wont tell thou) |
| 13:47.48 | Guerin | terr1_: blackmail him. |
| 13:47.57 | terr1_ | I dont have access to the firewall setup... |
| 13:48.07 | Deicide | terr1: Ok, what I mean is, is the firewall an actual Linux box or is it a device that comes with a firewall? |
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| 13:48.20 | terr1_ | Deicide: no idea :/ |
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| 13:48.31 | J_P | Guerin: hey man, calm!!! I think you are doing one mistake. You say about this error for other people. Becouse if i know as resolv i not do this question again understand!! |
| 13:48.32 | Guerin | terr1_: ok, if you don't have access to the firewall, you oughtn't be trying to bypass it so you can play games. |
| 13:48.32 | Deicide | terr1: You're not making this very easy :) |
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| 13:48.52 | b_52globemaster | hello |
| 13:48.52 | Guerin | J_P: you have your answer. |
| 13:49.03 | namegon | close |
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| 13:49.27 | Deicide | terr1: Is this at home or at work? Is the firewall upstram of you, meaning something implemented by your ISP, or is it on your local network? |
| 13:49.33 | J_P | Guerin: if you not have do reply, then you not need reply ok |
| 13:49.46 | jharrisonwk | uptime |
| 13:49.47 | Guerin | J_P: I told you what to do. |
| 13:49.47 | jharrisonwk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.54 | terr1_ | Deicide: its at work, local network firewall... not ISP |
| 13:50.09 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: ooh, now do uname-a so I know which kernel vulns you're not patched for |
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| 13:50.22 | J_P | Guerin: ohh, i see now your reply. |
| 13:50.23 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: will you hold your breath? |
| 13:50.27 | J_P | :-) |
| 13:50.41 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: I might pretend to. |
| 13:50.48 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: thats not good enough |
| 13:50.53 | Deicide | terr1: Ok, then I would say you'll have to get creative... since it's at work, I'm guessing the firewall is pretty tight and probably directed by company policies... in that case, I don't want to advise you on how to get fired :) |
| 13:51.16 | terr1_ | well its actually school ;-) |
| 13:51.17 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: I guess I could "pretend" to be running some kernel that im not really running too ;) |
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| 13:51.36 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: besides the machine is on a private network not reachable from the outside |
| 13:51.36 | terr1_ | so It dont really matter 8) |
| 13:51.41 | jharrisonwk | hahahah |
| 13:51.52 | Guerin | jharrisonwk: so you say ... |
| 13:51.57 | phaedral | J_P: Guerin did reply...after bawling you out. |
| 13:51.57 | phaedral | _P: compile your root fs and your rooot drive interface and |
| 13:51.57 | phaedral | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.57 | phaedral | quoth Guerin (sorry 'bout the sloppy paste) |
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| 13:52.10 | jharrisonwk | Guerin: im not a liar |
| 13:52.11 | Deicide | terr1: Well, if it's school policy, you might want to call your school's tech support... perhaps they can advise you on what to do? |
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| 13:52.30 | J_P | phaethon: i see |
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| 13:52.34 | Deicide | terr1: Most of the schools I work with have pretty tight firewalls as well, so I'm not sure how much luck you'll have |
| 13:52.47 | project9 | how to connect to remote server with ssh |
| 13:52.51 | Guerin | terr1_: watch out, you might get prosecuted for hax0ring |
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| 13:52.59 | Guerin | project9: ssh <servername> |
| 13:53.03 | Guerin | project9: man ssh |
| 13:53.03 | Deicide | terr1: But since you said someone you know has it working, I think it's time for bribery (beer) |
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| 13:53.17 | Sephiroth | teehee |
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| 13:54.05 | terr1_ | Deicide: Shouldnt you just be able to redirect your local port 9000 to proxy port 5000, and then on the external proxy server redirect port 5000 back to port 9000, and then do the same thing the other way around? |
| 13:54.06 | Guerin | phaedral: you've demonstrated that you're even more stupid than J_P |
| 13:54.11 | Guerin | congratulations |
| 13:54.22 | phaedral | sticks and stones dear |
| 13:54.53 | Guerin | this was a free informational service from Your Friend the Computer |
| 13:55.24 | b_52globemaster | did someone have oracle? |
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| 13:55.32 | Deicide | terr1: Sure, there are various ways of doing it, like I said though, I'm not sure what to say since we don't have many details about the setup |
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| 13:55.36 | phaedral | Guerin: idea; let's keep the personal sniping off-channel; I'm behaving this morning, was trying to *help* |
| 13:55.52 | b_52globemaster | when you install oracle he tell you type a username administrator/password that you didn't define before? |
| 13:55.53 | Guerin | naw, I do all my insults on-channel |
| 13:55.59 | terr1_ | Deicide: could squid, dante work? |
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| 13:56.02 | Guerin | taking it to /msg is soo immature |
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| 13:56.48 | Deicide | terr1: I can't say for sure, but the squid box would have to be outside the firewalled network |
| 13:56.51 | Guerin | b_52globemaster: oracle isn't in debian, it's non-free, it's evil, and iirc you have to install from red hat packages. This is not the channel. |
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| 13:57.08 | Guerin | wtf kind of game needs 8 ports anyway |
| 13:57.11 | J_P | hey Guerin, you are estressed? |
| 13:57.12 | Guerin | that's just wrong |
| 13:57.25 | b_52globemaster | Guerin , sorry to heart your feeling i'm going away |
| 13:57.34 | J_P | b_52globemaster: wait.. |
| 13:57.44 | Guerin | J_P: no, I just have a low tolerance for moronitude. |
| 13:58.06 | J_P | b_52globemaster: default is scoot/tiger |
| 13:58.13 | b_52globemaster | Guerin , peace&love&respect |
| 13:58.24 | Guerin | OM mane padmi hum |
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| 13:58.43 | J_P | b_52globemaster: oracle not is homologed in debian.. |
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| 13:59.08 | b_52globemaster | J_p because he is not open? |
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| 13:59.25 | J_P | b_52globemaster: try scoot/tiger |
| 13:59.31 | J_P | scott/tiger |
| 13:59.31 | zeeble | scott |
| 13:59.36 | J_P | yeh |
| 13:59.40 | J_P | zeeble: :-) |
| 13:59.49 | Guerin | how is this default user/pass combo so well known? |
| 13:59.59 | terr1_ | Deicide, the proxy is going to be outside the network |
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| 14:00.26 | b_52globemaster | J_P , it doesn't work |
| 14:00.43 | J_P | Guerin: becouse is standard for adm change after.. |
| 14:00.52 | b_52globemaster | J_P , did you define them before......? |
| 14:01.01 | J_P | b_52globemaster: scott is secondary DBA.. exist other.. i not remember.. |
| 14:01.10 | J_P | b_52globemaster: not scott is default.. |
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| 14:01.23 | J_P | s default/account created |
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| 14:01.55 | b_52globemaster | ok??!! |
| 14:02.09 | J_P | b_52globemaster: I am in my house know.. after in my work i get docs and see for you.. |
| 14:02.18 | J_P | tomorrow |
| 14:02.51 | b_52globemaster | J_P , THANKS im' hoing to take a look to the oracle doc........ |
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| 14:03.26 | b_52globemaster | oracle= why make it simple when you can make it esaly complicated and crypted with a bit effort...... |
| 14:03.33 | faxo | how do i charge a sound module on debian ? |
| 14:03.46 | Guerin | faxo: send it an invoice by email |
| 14:03.52 | J_P | b_52globemaster: you need oracle, you not think use PostgreSQL ? |
| 14:04.02 | faxo | Guerin, dont play with words :) |
| 14:04.05 | faxo | lol |
| 14:04.07 | J_P | b_52globemaster: i change here oracle by postgresql |
| 14:04.14 | faxo | Guerin, how are you mate? |
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| 14:04.29 | Guerin | faxo: I'm grouse, mate. |
| 14:04.40 | Guerin | faxo: do you think you could be comprehensible? |
| 14:04.58 | faxo | Guerin, i dont think so |
| 14:04.59 | b_52globemaster | J_P i use oracle in school , most of the student had never heared about debian , so postgreSQL.... hihi |
| 14:05.12 | faxo | guerin, how do i know which module to use for my soundcard ? |
| 14:06.02 | J_P | b_52globemaster: hehehe |
| 14:06.02 | Guerin | faxo: no, sorry, my crystal ball is on the blink. |
| 14:06.07 | b_52globemaster | J_P, we call that to be illetrated :) |
| 14:06.08 | faxo | guerin yes. |
| 14:06.12 | phaedral | postgreSQL v. mysql because latter non-free? |
| 14:06.18 | J_P | b_52globemaster: then this is oportunit for you show as Postgresql is good as oracle in you school :-) |
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| 14:07.04 | Guerin | faxo: you could try the great oracle of lspci |
| 14:07.22 | Guerin | faxo: or google, and then use modconf |
| 14:07.27 | b_52globemaster | J_P the teacher will think that i want to take his place and he will trow me out the class, the student use oracle only because the most compagnies used not because they like it |
| 14:07.58 | b_52globemaster | lol |
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| 14:08.38 | naim | i subscribed to debian mailing lists and cant post to mailing lists, even the listmaster is not responding, i know this is not the place to ask.. but io dont know where else |
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| 14:09.26 | faxo | Guerin, found it :) some frenchies like me talk about sound problems under debian, they say: install discover, it will detect everything @ boot |
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| 14:09.39 | kpanik | Hya |
| 14:09.40 | faxo | Guerin, true :) |
| 14:09.50 | faxo | kpanik, salut |
| 14:09.54 | kpanik | salut ! |
| 14:10.12 | Guerin | we already had an argument about discover this evening... |
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| 14:10.43 | kpanik | what do u use instead of numlockx on sarge? |
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| 14:11.13 | Guerin | !u |
| 14:11.13 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 14:11.32 | kpanik | what do *you* use instead of numlockx on sarge? |
| 14:11.33 | kpanik | :) |
| 14:11.53 | directhex|work | a spoon |
| 14:12.05 | zeeble | heh |
| 14:12.08 | Guerin | I use |
| 14:12.13 | directhex|work | faxo, discover1 is more commonly used than discover |
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