| 00:00.03 | Gnea | hrm |
| 00:00.04 | Gnea | alright |
| 00:00.24 | Gnea | i use evolution too, and iirc there's an option to set 12H vs 24H.. one sec i'll start it up |
| 00:00.26 | Gavrila | LC_TIME is it_IT@euro as stated by locale command |
| 00:00.51 | dondelelcaro | Gavrila: what does LC_TIME="it_IT@euro" date +'%c'; return? |
| 00:01.04 | gilles | aptitude always want to delete synaptic, saying i don't use it anymore, which is totally untrue, what's happening ? |
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| 00:01.16 | dondelelcaro | gilles: you marked synaptic as automatically installed. |
| 00:01.16 | Gavrila | mar 16 nov 2004 01:01:27 CET |
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| 00:01.29 | mathieu | Gavrila, evolution is a bitch uses the wrong locale for time |
| 00:01.37 | gilles | dondelelcaro: like all my packages, yes |
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| 00:01.48 | mathieu | +and |
| 00:01.49 | Gnea | Gavrila: yeah, you've definately been looking in the wrong place - go to tools->settings then down to the 'calendar and tasks' button and you'll see what you want to do there |
| 00:01.49 | Gavrila | dondelelcaro, mar 16 nov 2004 01:01:27 CET |
| 00:01.54 | dondelelcaro | gilles: so indicate that you actually want it installed. |
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| 00:02.15 | gilles | dondelelcaro: how ? |
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| 00:02.27 | dondelelcaro | Gavrila: and LC_TIME="it_IT@euro" date +'%c' -d 'mar 16 nov 2004 23:01:27 CET'; |
| 00:02.33 | witless | is this not obscene: http://www.icewater.org/misc/lt-ms.jpg check out the "linux reference center" sidebar on the right. |
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| 00:02.50 | WiFiTux | Can I make a script that runs at a specific time? |
| 00:02.54 | Gavrila | Gnea, the option is shadowed, I've already checked it |
| 00:02.57 | FieldySnuts | yes, man crontab |
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| 00:03.00 | kerpal23 | Any pam.d or sasl experts here? |
| 00:03.03 | Gavrila | I can't select it |
| 00:03.14 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, that was for me? |
| 00:03.24 | Gnea | Gavrila: that makes no sense, why would it be shadowed out? |
| 00:03.29 | hArTh2 | how can i retrieve text in a console buffer that i cant scroll up too anymore? |
| 00:03.38 | Gavrila | date: data `mar 16 nov 2004 23:01:27 CET' non valida It means "darte not valid" |
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| 00:03.51 | caphuso | hArTh2: if you can't scroll up to it, then it's no longer in the buffer |
| 00:03.53 | Gavrila | Gnea, I don't really have any clue |
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| 00:04.06 | J_P | hi all |
| 00:04.16 | Gnea | Gavrila: what version of evolution? |
| 00:04.20 | thoreauputic | WiFiTux: man crontab &/or man at |
| 00:04.34 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: another toy for you, J_P. |
| 00:04.35 | mwilson | Gavrila: We noticed. |
| 00:04.40 | Gavrila | Gnea, 2.0.2 |
| 00:04.58 | WiFiTux | thoreauputic, k thanks. |
| 00:05.00 | FieldySnuts | i'll pass |
| 00:05.14 | mwilson | witless: What about it? |
| 00:05.16 | Gavrila | mwilson, if I had one I wouldnt't have asked for help.. |
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| 00:05.20 | dondelelcaro | Gavrila: LC_TIME="it_IT@euro" date +'%c' -d '23:01:27'; |
| 00:05.21 | Gnea | Gavrila: interesting... i'm running 1.4.6 just noticed i haven't updated it yet... one sec |
| 00:05.28 | witless | mwilson: i find it pretty pathetic. |
| 00:05.31 | J_P | xx.jpg is 2048x1024 and i like one image in 1024x768. then i do this : convert xx.jpg -resize 1024x768 xx_resize.jpg. But image after resize is 960x768. How i do exactaly 1024x768 in convert ? |
| 00:05.36 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: he's way more annoying than Gavrila. |
| 00:05.36 | Gavrila | Gnea, it's good |
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| 00:05.42 | thoreauputic | WiFiTux: you can also use `sleep` if it's for a one-off time |
| 00:05.46 | mwilson | witless: Why? |
| 00:06.20 | Gavrila | dondelelcaro, it's a good cmmand it reports back the date |
| 00:06.29 | WiFiTux | J_P, well convert -resample 1024x760 original.jpg new.jpg |
| 00:06.31 | dondelelcaro | Gavrila: and you'll probably notice that it's in 24 hour time. |
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| 00:06.39 | witless | "linux reference center", sponsored by microsoft, containing bought and paid for studies that disparage linux? gee, i don't know. |
| 00:06.45 | Gavrila | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 00:06.47 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: i doubt that. |
| 00:06.56 | mwilson | witless: It's crapfox, so it's ugly as hell, but what's wrong other than that? |
| 00:07.00 | Gavrila | the problem is linked to evolution also |
| 00:07.04 | dondelelcaro | Gavrila: so your problem has nothing whatsoever to do with it_IT and everything to do with evolution. |
| 00:07.09 | witless | oh, i see - you're trolling. |
| 00:07.22 | Gavrila | dondelelcaro, ok thank you that's a good point where to start from |
| 00:07.24 | restrexx | how can I upgrade from debian sarge to debian sid? |
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| 00:07.31 | mwilson | witless: Not at all. I'm trying to understand why you have a problem with paid advertising. |
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| 00:07.50 | dondelelcaro | restrexx: generally, if you have to ask you're not ready. /msg dpkg sarge->sid |
| 00:08.04 | MerlinCorey | sponsored by MICROSOFT? |
| 00:08.10 | MerlinCorey | oh whoa |
| 00:08.16 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: Yeah, so? It's been there for weeks. |
| 00:08.17 | wols_ | mwilson: he is outraged that linuxtoday, a linux evangelist site or something is carrying ads by MS which disparage linux |
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| 00:08.40 | FieldySnuts | yes that's a few weeks old. if you don't like it, don't go to the site anymore. don't be a baby about it |
| 00:08.44 | FieldySnuts | i don't |
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| 00:08.59 | MerlinCorey | I say, look at the source when you read the information.... just like with anything... of COURSE the mothers against drug use is going to say drugs are bad - they're against them! |
| 00:09.10 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: Exactly. |
| 00:09.20 | FieldySnuts | i think this is rather like saying the sky is blue |
| 00:09.24 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: Gee, it'd be MUCH better if there was no idea what MS might be saying. |
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| 00:09.44 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: Then the religious nuts could REALLY work themselves up when a news item popped. |
| 00:10.04 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: But this idea of it being right there where you can see what's being said... horrors! |
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| 00:10.23 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 00:10.25 | MerlinCorey | for real :) |
| 00:10.36 | MerlinCorey | it's so fun |
| 00:10.59 | FieldySnuts | what's sad is PHB's buy it up like it's gospel. which is fine, makes it a lot clearer which companies not to work for |
| 00:11.05 | mwilson | The only people that ad should bother is the insecure ones. The evangelistas can go hang. |
| 00:11.10 | Jacobo221 | how can I create a qemu harddisk image in debian if the qemu-img binnary isn't supplied in the packages? |
| 00:11.10 | Gnea | Gavrila: hrm, interesting change there.. but i can still change the timezone & 12H/24H |
| 00:11.38 | Gavrila | Gnea, and does it affect the message list format? |
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| 00:12.36 | mwilson | Too bad they're Seagate, too. |
| 00:12.44 | Gnea | Gavrila: nope, i can still switch between the 3 date listings with no ill effects |
| 00:12.46 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, what's bad of it? |
| 00:12.48 | FieldySnuts | what do you prefer, mwilson ? |
| 00:12.51 | Oryn | FieldySnuts: I have one of those in a debian box |
| 00:13.11 | Gavrila | Gnea, thank you |
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| 00:13.14 | witless | i have four of those in a debian box :-) |
| 00:13.16 | Gnea | Gavrila: np |
| 00:13.16 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, SATA is good. |
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| 00:13.34 | FieldySnuts | definately not fond of sata myself, i think it's very much hype at this point, maybe second gen will be better |
| 00:13.37 | FieldySnuts | anyway it's not my stuff |
| 00:13.37 | WiFiTux | witless, nice TB.... |
| 00:13.37 | caphuso | dmanit, can't the firefox developers get anything right? |
| 00:13.45 | osiris | can anyone tell me if its a easy job linking two debian machines with a crossover cable? and can anybody tell me a site to go to for info? |
| 00:13.57 | mwilson | caphuso: Well, no, after all, it IS crapfox. |
| 00:13.57 | FieldySnuts | yeah i've heard well of WD drives, cool |
| 00:13.59 | dondelelcaro | caphuso: it's mozilla. What do you expect? They can't even do sonames right. |
| 00:14.00 | guestish | osiris: you mean for data transfer? |
| 00:14.01 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, second gen is way better |
| 00:14.03 | wols_ | osiris: yes it is easy |
| 00:14.17 | guestish | osiris: ya, its pretty simple...you can do it with null modem or i guess cat5 crossover would work too |
| 00:14.21 | FieldySnuts | WiFiTux: how do you know, it's not out yet by a couple of years as far as I know |
| 00:14.30 | WiFiTux | So far SATA and PATA are almost the same speed. |
| 00:14.34 | guestish | osiris: though i cant tell you how to do either really |
| 00:14.35 | osiris | guestish data transfer and if possible so both machines can access the net |
| 00:14.44 | wols_ | osiris: man interfaces. and put both machines in the same subnet |
| 00:14.45 | Gavrila | since locale is working good, and in irc.gimp.org #evolution they say it can't be an evo problem, should I file a bug to the mantainer? |
| 00:14.47 | FieldySnuts | mainly because most "sata" drives today are really pata drives with a stupid pata <-> sata bridge |
| 00:14.49 | guestish | osiris: how would linking 2 computers to each other give net access? |
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| 00:14.54 | guestish | yeah, cept some segates |
| 00:14.59 | akusarujin | anyone know about error 25 with grub; booting to a separate windows drive..? |
| 00:15.03 | guestish | my segate SATA is fast |
| 00:15.04 | FieldySnuts | the sg's definately perform better |
| 00:15.05 | osiris | ive done in windows before thats all |
| 00:15.10 | FieldySnuts | not saying much though heh |
| 00:15.16 | FieldySnuts | sure wish scsi wasn't so price, very very nice |
| 00:15.16 | osiris | and shared a internet connection |
| 00:15.16 | guestish | well 150 vs 133.. |
| 00:15.22 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, the Specs totally say it will be better. But will be out almost now. |
| 00:15.30 | citral | osiris: so one of the comp has two ethernet cards? |
| 00:15.36 | osiris | citral yes |
| 00:15.36 | FieldySnuts | yeah well the specs said gen1 would be too, i hope i'm proven wrong |
| 00:15.40 | wols_ | SATA us good for at least one thing: command queuing |
| 00:15.46 | guestish | ? |
| 00:15.48 | wols_ | and of course the thinner cables |
| 00:15.49 | mwilson | Yeah, well, I needed to build another array NOW, not next month. |
| 00:16.08 | mwilson | wols_: Any decent PATA drive does command queuing. |
| 00:16.12 | osiris | yeah one machine has 2 cards the other has 1 |
| 00:16.15 | caphuso | morons |
| 00:16.16 | wols_ | osiris: apt-cache show dnsmasq ipmasq for sharing internet access |
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| 00:16.34 | WiFiTux | SATA is good, if you want a smaller connector cable and if you play games.. a bit faster than IDE, just a bit. |
| 00:16.34 | mwilson | dnsmasq is nice, I use it here. |
| 00:16.35 | wols_ | mwilson: none does |
| 00:16.54 | wols_ | sata1 does tagged command queuing, sata2 does native command queuing |
| 00:17.08 | osiris | wols do you know any sites to go to so i can read up on it, |
| 00:17.11 | wols_ | some ibm disks once upon a time did command queuing for pata, but no one used it |
| 00:17.12 | simonrvn | still getting hammered with the fucking ntp packets, but it's sowed down now. had to resort to null routing the fuckers |
| 00:17.21 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: inbound? |
| 00:17.25 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 00:17.27 | WiFiTux | mwilson, dnsmasq? Is that like MASQuerading? but without iptables? |
| 00:17.29 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: that's... unusual |
| 00:17.44 | wols_ | WiFiTux: dnsmasq is a caching dns proxy server |
| 00:17.44 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: from all over the place, or one or only a few IP's? |
| 00:17.48 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: ntp requests on the order of 1/sec... |
| 00:17.53 | FieldySnuts | yuck |
| 00:17.55 | wols_ | ipmasq is a bunch of scripts to make iptables do NAT |
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| 00:17.59 | mwilson | WiFiTux: No, actually, it's like what the package description says it's like. |
| 00:18.00 | WiFiTux | wols_, oh like squid... |
| 00:18.01 | simonrvn | a few IPs.. buncha idiotic winbloze s/w |
| 00:18.05 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 00:18.08 | caphuso | website uses "f" as accesskey -> you can't open the file menu anymore because stupid firefox uses alt as modifier for both menus and accesskeys. i go look into about:config to find some useable settings, find accesskeycausesactivation, toggle it to false and yay, no more accesskeys |
| 00:18.09 | FieldySnuts | probably hardwired in |
| 00:18.15 | gilles | what shall i do against that problem: "Loading /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 00:18.16 | gilles | /etc/init.d/keymap.sh: line 1: fr_FR.UTF-8: command not found" ? |
| 00:18.23 | WiFiTux | mwilson, right |
| 00:18.32 | caphuso | but: the fucking menu still doesn't work |
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| 00:18.52 | citral | osiris: ah, got it, a good start is http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/debian-howto/ipmasq.html to look further search for "router howto" |
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| 00:19.04 | wols_ | osiris: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/networking/homegateway.html |
| 00:19.07 | simonrvn | caphuso: at all? |
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| 00:19.11 | astronut | what is the command to add a user to an existing group? |
| 00:19.20 | Gavrila | gilles, could it be that /etc/init.d/keymap.sh has a broken line? |
| 00:19.24 | Gavrila | like a typo |
| 00:19.31 | Mabus | greetings! I'm getting an error in ipw2200 on boot (intel 2200 bg wireless network card): UNKNOWNSTATUS_ERROR. |
| 00:19.31 | wols_ | that seems to be what you want, but debian uses ipmasq for setting up iptables while this one does it manually it seems |
| 00:19.31 | simonrvn | caphuso: works here (tm) |
| 00:19.33 | caphuso | simonrvn: those for which no accesskey is defined work |
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| 00:19.41 | Mabus | Does anyone know how to disable that module from loading, or possibly how to fix it otherwise ? |
| 00:19.41 | astronut | gpasswd -a user group? |
| 00:19.55 | simonrvn | ah, i see. sounds like a bug |
| 00:20.00 | osiris | and they are networked by just a crossover cable yeah? |
| 00:20.00 | WiFiTux | Mabus, go again |
| 00:20.14 | WiFiTux | Mabus, that's on dmesg? |
| 00:20.15 | citral | astronut: adduser <user> group |
| 00:20.24 | Mabus | WiFiTux: I don't know - I can't get to dmesg. |
| 00:20.27 | J_P | WiFiTux: convert: Unrecognized option (-resample). |
| 00:20.29 | astronut | citral: that creates a user? |
| 00:20.30 | citral | osiris: that's pretty egal |
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| 00:20.36 | WiFiTux | Mabus, what's the problem? |
| 00:20.39 | simonrvn | and fucking thing still use its own ui so it doesn,t grok eiting the menu keys... |
| 00:20.42 | astronut | citral: i want to add an existing user to existing group |
| 00:20.43 | doublehp | any one could accpet a dcc and convert a .sxw to .pdf please ? I cant do it myself because I have no X atm :( |
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| 00:20.47 | citral | astronut: no, and that was not your question |
| 00:21.00 | Mabus | WiFiTux: well, on boot, it probes that module, and the module gives that error over and over again. |
| 00:21.10 | Mabus | WiFiTux: so fast I can't even see it scrolling |
| 00:21.10 | astronut | gpasswd did it |
| 00:21.16 | simonrvn | doublehp: too hard to gunzip it and do it yourself? |
| 00:21.18 | gilles | Gravila: i don't know, each time debian run under gnome, i have the following error msg : "Language fr_FR@euro does not exist, using System default", even after unselecting fr_FR@euro when running dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:21.20 | caphuso | simonrvn: yeah, it's funny what mozilla did with gtk2: using only the bugs and ignoring the parts that would actually be useful |
| 00:21.27 | Mabus | WiFiTux: trying other tty's gives nothing |
| 00:21.32 | WiFiTux | Mabus, go into Linux Old, go into /etc/modules remove it... |
| 00:21.35 | simonrvn | exactly. quite stupid imo |
| 00:21.37 | Mabus | WiFiTux: I can't boot |
| 00:21.57 | Gavrila | gilles, if you deselect it, it's correct that gnome complains about it missing |
| 00:22.00 | Mabus | WiFiTux: so, basically, I need a way of disabling that module from grub ? |
| 00:22.02 | WiFiTux | Mabus, boot with Shift andf Linux old or so |
| 00:22.05 | mwilson | doublehp: Give it here. |
| 00:22.06 | citral | !topicbadger osiris |
| 00:22.06 | linoleum | hello : I am using the "official" SID debian kernel 2.6.9-1-686 , by installing it |
| 00:22.06 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that osiris didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
| 00:22.09 | linoleum | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.12 | linoleum | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.15 | doublehp | simonrvn: I can _NOT_ run OOo until 2 or 3 days ... and I need the pdf for tomorrow :/ |
| 00:22.21 | citral | osiris: don't /msg the people here ^^ |
| 00:22.25 | WiFiTux | Mabus, well, on the modules list. |
| 00:22.26 | Gavrila | you should reconfigure locales and add fr_FR@euro support |
| 00:22.27 | FieldySnuts | annoying arsed paste |
| 00:22.31 | Mabus | WiFiTux: it's a fresh system, I've only got one kernel. |
| 00:22.33 | simonrvn | doublehp: um, sxw is a gzipped xml file |
| 00:22.33 | J_P | WiFiTux: in woody imagemagick not have option resample.. |
| 00:22.34 | Gavrila | and select it as default one |
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| 00:22.35 | FieldySnuts | why, so my system will surrender? |
| 00:22.37 | dondelelcaro | linoleum: apt-get source kernel-image-foo-bar-baz; |
| 00:22.51 | WiFiTux | J_P, sorry. |
| 00:22.57 | simonrvn | doublehp: well, other stuff, but that's basically what it is |
| 00:23.05 | WiFiTux | Mabus, try something... |
| 00:23.11 | citral | osiris: that doesn't make a big difference if the LAN ethernet card is connected to a swith or directly to another computer |
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| 00:23.19 | Mabus | WiFiTux: I'm trying pci=off now |
| 00:23.23 | wols_ | linoleum: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 00:23.31 | Mabus | but that only gives me a completely black screen |
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| 00:23.34 | osiris | citral ok, |
| 00:23.40 | doublehp | simonrvn: I really dont see how I can export my .sxw into .pdf in console mode ... especially when my document contains OOo graphics ... |
| 00:23.51 | linoleum | dondelelcaro: it doenst works |
| 00:24.11 | dondelelcaro | linoleum: sure it does. |
| 00:24.27 | linoleum | wols_: yes, I know I can do apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.9-1-686 , but it won't give me the sources about the Image kernel ... |
| 00:24.30 | linoleum | that I use |
| 00:24.36 | mwilson | doublehp: Well? |
| 00:24.42 | Mabus | WiFiTux: I don't understand what you mean by "linux old" or "module list", sorry. |
| 00:24.57 | Mabus | but I've only got one kernel, and I'm using GRUB. |
| 00:24.58 | dondelelcaro | linoleum: that's why you use apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686; |
| 00:24.59 | xam | linoleum: apt-get -d ... |
| 00:25.04 | simonrvn | doublehp: ah i see. |
| 00:25.06 | FieldySnuts | one kernel. hard lesson time |
| 00:25.08 | WiFiTux | Mabus, ok, you need to remove ipw2200 from /etc/modules |
| 00:25.12 | xam | linoleum: oh, sorry |
| 00:25.18 | simonrvn | doublehp: mwilson is trying to get your attention |
| 00:25.19 | linoleum | because, when I try to compilate antother modules, it asks me to choose all the option about the kernel !! like the kernel wasn't configured at all |
| 00:25.30 | Mabus | WiFiTux: yes, I understand - how can I do that when I can't boot ? |
| 00:25.44 | doublehp | mwilson: thank you ... I cant view it atm ... ill see tomorrow :/ |
| 00:25.50 | mwilson | doublehp: Your writing is poor, you need to proofread. |
| 00:25.53 | gilles | Gavrila: how to uninstall it then ? |
| 00:25.54 | linoleum | okok :) |
| 00:25.56 | dondelelcaro | linoleum: that's because you haven't copied the .config over. it's in /boot/config-blahblah |
| 00:25.59 | linoleum | i'll try a second time |
| 00:26.00 | Mabus | WiFiTux: can I boot with the installer CD, mount the drive, and edit modules ? |
| 00:26.14 | citral | linoleum: cp /boot/config-2.6.9 /usr/src/kernel-sources-2.6.9/.config |
| 00:26.21 | doublehp | mwilson: unless you have a pdf viewer for console mode ... one supporting to print the graph at the bottom .... |
| 00:26.25 | Gavrila | gilles, you don't have to uninstall them |
| 00:26.30 | Gavrila | you have to create them |
| 00:26.35 | mwilson | doublehp: Checking your spelling would have been a good idea, too. |
| 00:26.48 | WiFiTux | Try the help in the grub.. |
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| 00:27.04 | linoleum | cool , tkx a lot |
| 00:27.09 | doublehp | mwilson: I wrote that very fast ... no reread, no ispell ... I wont publish it now ... |
| 00:27.17 | wols_ | mwilson: yes you can. usually "rescue root=/dev/hdXX" or wherever your root partition is |
| 00:27.28 | doublehp | mwilson: even the schematic is wrong .. but I still need it ASAP ... |
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| 00:27.40 | mwilson | doublehp: Well, you have it now. |
| 00:28.47 | doublehp | mwilson: thanks |
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| 00:29.31 | linoleum | ok , I made apt-get install source kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686 , how can I now remove this package?? |
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| 00:29.35 | linoleum | ls |
| 00:29.49 | dondelelcaro | linoleum: uh, no, you definetly didn't run that command. |
| 00:29.51 | MerlinCorey | apt-get remove |
| 00:30.07 | Xinukid | ./exec rm -rf |
| 00:30.17 | MajorPoopyPants | why whats wrong with 2.6.9? it works great for me even if I can't tell any difference between it and 2.6.8 |
| 00:30.25 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: why not? it just wouldn't install anything |
| 00:30.27 | linoleum | ls |
| 00:30.34 | Xinukid | df -h |
| 00:30.38 | cafuego | MajorPoopyPants: There's a problem with 2.6.9 and cd burning. |
| 00:30.40 | wols_ | run, he could easily :) |
| 00:30.43 | linoleum | lol |
| 00:30.55 | linoleum | it's ok : the source command doesn't install .deb |
| 00:30.57 | lunaphyte | why might initial queries by named take as long as four seconds? |
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| 00:31.07 | Xinukid | ls -la | grep |
| 00:31.12 | linoleum | just tar and .dsc ... just use rm |
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| 00:31.15 | MajorPoopyPants | its got a couple of extra options, none of which I know what they do, nor can I notice any kind of difference |
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| 00:31.40 | cafuego | lunaphyte: slow upstream dns? Server under load? |
| 00:31.46 | cafuego | lunaphyte: bind swapped out? |
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| 00:32.25 | wols_ | additional wrong nameserver entries in /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 00:32.45 | knao | hey, im trying to install debian on an old laptop |
| 00:32.51 | WiFiTux | cafuego, so 2.6.9 is giving trouble with cd burning, wasn't 2.6.8 aswell? |
| 00:32.53 | Arelius_ | if I want to move home to a new partition do I have to do anything more then a 'mv /home' from a root account and then change fstab? |
| 00:33.02 | Xinukid | anyone running debian woodt |
| 00:33.04 | Xinukid | woody |
| 00:33.06 | knao | and the screen doesn't work so I'm using the TV output on the laptop so it's hard to read |
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| 00:33.14 | lunaphyte | cafuego: i doubt slow upstream dns. i have another machine that has no such delays. server load is nothing to speak of... |
| 00:33.19 | knao | I think "taskman" ran, and it said it was going to install 50 packages or so |
| 00:33.28 | knao | then it asked me a bunch of stuff about SMTP server |
| 00:33.36 | lunaphyte | resolv.conf contains only 127.0.0.1 |
| 00:33.36 | knao | and then it said "okay, now you can login" without ever installing those packages |
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| 00:33.53 | knao | does anyone know how to get those packages installed, or why they didn't install the first time? |
| 00:33.56 | cafuego | lunaphyte: Then bind was probably swapped out |
| 00:34.27 | manderso | Is there anyone around who can lend me a hand configuring ALSA? Not having much luck getting help so far... |
| 00:34.30 | lunaphyte | cafuego: even with 512mb of ram? |
| 00:34.30 | Mabus | WiFiTux: alright, I've got the filesystem mounted - how do I disable loading of the module ? |
| 00:34.46 | Mabus | WiFiTux: it's not in /etc/modules, so I guess it's discover1'ed or hotplug'ed ? |
| 00:34.59 | cafuego | lunaphyte: Even with 1GB of ram. |
| 00:35.02 | WiFiTux | /etc/modules |
| 00:35.10 | Mabus | WiFiTux: it's not listed there.. |
| 00:35.21 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Apparently. (I've not had problems on either) |
| 00:35.32 | manderso | sound was working this morning, before I did an apt-get upgrade |
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| 00:35.57 | manderso | now, its not. when I do a "cat /proc/asound/cards", I get a response "--- no soundcards ---" |
| 00:36.01 | lunaphyte | cafuego: after the first lookup caches it, it's as fast as it should be though. |
| 00:36.04 | WiFiTux | Mabus, well then it might be in hotplug |
| 00:36.19 | manderso | kernel drivers appear to be loaded correctly (as far as I can tell) |
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| 00:36.45 | WiFiTux | Mabus, ok 1 Min... |
| 00:36.48 | Mabus | thanks |
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| 00:37.29 | WiFiTux | Mabus, go to the install folder and do make uninstall |
| 00:37.57 | Mabus | WiFiTux: the hotplug install folder ? |
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| 00:38.12 | WiFiTux | Mabus, ipw2200-0.1x folder |
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| 00:39.22 | WiFiTux | How do I remove something that is loaded by hotplug from loading when i boot? |
| 00:39.22 | Mabus | it's a kernel module, so you mean modules/net/wireless/ ? |
| 00:39.46 | gilles | What's the difference between "fr_FR.UTF-8@euro" and "fr_FR.UTF-8" ? |
| 00:40.04 | Mabus | gilles: it has the euro sign |
| 00:40.15 | Gavrila | gilles, the first is iso-XXXX-15 encoding |
| 00:40.23 | Gavrila | the latter is utf8 encoding |
| 00:40.29 | WiFiTux | Mabus, no... go into the install directory where you installed it from!!! |
| 00:40.39 | Gavrila | ops |
| 00:40.42 | Gavrila | I read wrong |
| 00:40.42 | WiFiTux | Mabus, or apt-get remove ipw2200-source |
| 00:40.55 | gilles | Gavrila: so I should choose "fr_FR.UTF-8@euro" by default, isn't it ? |
| 00:40.57 | Gavrila | sorry, they are both utf8 :P |
| 00:41.06 | Mabus | WiFiTux: but I didn't install it, it was installed from debian-installer .. |
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| 00:41.33 | Mabus | this is a fresh install - I have _never_ booted it. |
| 00:41.40 | WiFiTux | Mabus, say what? It was install from the beggining? ok apt-get remove ipw2200-source |
| 00:41.50 | Mabus | but I can't boot |
| 00:41.56 | Mabus | how can I apt-get remove ? |
| 00:42.09 | Gavrila | gilles, either that one or "fr_FR@euro", I would reccomend the one I wrote since it could be difficult to configure properly the system to use utf (or at least I don't have many clues) |
| 00:42.41 | lunaphyte | how can i keep dhclient from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 00:42.47 | wols_ | Mabus: put in teh debian cd, use "rescue root=/dev/hdXX" to boot the kernel on the CD instead the one on your disk |
| 00:42.55 | gilles | Gavrila, i need utf8 because i need to use chinese |
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| 00:43.14 | Mabus | wols_: aah - thanks! |
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| 00:43.15 | WiFiTux | Mabus, well, try booting with a Grub option in runlevel 1 or the boot Floppy |
| 00:44.01 | Gavrila | gilles, I see; then fr_FR.UTF-8@euro is the way I think |
| 00:44.12 | b0ef | my friend on windows is using putty for ssh'ing into the box, but experiencing putty freezing up. Are there any similar free ssh clients for windows he can use? |
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| 00:44.27 | special | alguien habla español ?? |
| 00:44.32 | Mabus | b00: yes, cygwin |
| 00:44.35 | helix | special: #debian-es |
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| 00:44.37 | Mabus | b0ef, sorry |
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| 00:44.57 | gilles | special: lo entiendo, pero no lo hablo muy bien |
| 00:45.08 | special | gilles, alguien sabe que debo hacer para que "cdrecord -scanbus" me muestre los resultados ? |
| 00:45.16 | special | digo, tu sabes? |
| 00:45.17 | WiFiTux | special, no... nadie habla |
| 00:45.18 | sussudio | !es |
| 00:45.19 | dpkg | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
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| 00:45.40 | WiFiTux | sussudio, is not said ensamble, but ingrese... |
| 00:45.43 | gilles | special: no se |
| 00:45.52 | special | ah ok |
| 00:46.14 | Fosten-myth | anybody know which kernel image i can use with an amd athlon 2400+? |
| 00:46.18 | becobaf | I've installed cups and xprintorg. cups works fine, I can print a test page. firefox "sees" the printer, but when I try to print from firefox I get "lpr: myprinter: unknown printer" what am I missing? |
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| 00:46.22 | cafuego | Fosten-myth: Any -k7 one. |
| 00:46.32 | WiFiTux | sussudio, what was the command to edit it? !es~=s/ensamble/ingrese/ ? |
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| 00:46.43 | gilles | special: je ne suis pas encore expert en linux |
| 00:46.47 | cafuego | WiFiTux: yes |
| 00:46.55 | WiFiTux | cafuego, thanks |
| 00:47.00 | linoleum | ok, I have got something very strange : I use fakeroot make-kpkg to install and external module for my kernel ... so , everything work perfect , no error ... I go to /usr/src and ... there is not the .deb of the new module ... what's wrong ??? |
| 00:47.04 | WiFiTux | !es~=s/ensamble/ingrese/ |
| 00:47.13 | xmoogle | hiya |
| 00:47.16 | Vegar | I want my Debian box to be a wireless access point. Are there any howtos on that? |
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| 00:47.28 | wols_ | b0ef: putty is generally regarded as the best windows ssh client. why use another one? |
| 00:47.28 | cafuego | linoleum: make-kpkg does not install anything. What command did you run? |
| 00:47.32 | d33p | which pcmcia wireless cards do you recomend? |
| 00:47.32 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I need a space somewhere.. |
| 00:47.44 | linoleum | linoleum@punkCPU:/usr/src$ fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-686" --added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.1 modules_image |
| 00:47.44 | cafuego | !es =~ s/ensamble/ingrese/ |
| 00:47.44 | dpkg | cafuego: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 00:47.45 | Guerin | dpkg, es =~ s/ensamble/ingrese/ |
| 00:47.46 | simonrvn | @ask to ask |
| 00:47.46 | b0ef | wols_: he claims it freezes up |
| 00:47.47 | ravenbird | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! A Brief summary of your problem is enough. Be Specific, Informative, Concise, and Complete On-topic about the problem. If nobody answers then we don't know or are busy for a few minutes. Wait and don't bug us. If you must ask again wait until new people have joined the channel. |
| 00:47.52 | cafuego | dpkg: well fuck you, then. |
| 00:47.54 | xmoogle | cannot find wx-config on my system, or in any packages for stable, testing or unstable, and a program that im trying to compile needs it |
| 00:47.54 | jlacosse | Im trying to set up a DNS server on this computer right now, on the debainb install I selected DNS server as one of the dselect options, does anyone know any good documentation for it? |
| 00:48.02 | cafuego | !factinfo es |
| 00:48.02 | dpkg | es -- last modified at Sun Sep 21 22:28:40 2003 by RichiH!richih@richih.usercloak.freenode; it has been requested 71 times, last by sussudio, 2m 44s ago; it has been locked by dondelelcaro. |
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| 00:48.05 | linoleum | cafuego: linoleum@punkCPU:/usr/src$ fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-1-686" --added-modules fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.1 modules_image |
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| 00:48.12 | special | somebody knows that I must do so that "cdrecord - scanbus" it shows the results to me? |
| 00:48.13 | BlueRibbon | anyone knows of a mailman setup that supports qmail+vpopmail? |
| 00:48.22 | WiFiTux | !es ~=s/ensamble/ingrese/ |
| 00:48.25 | cafuego | special: IDE burner? |
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| 00:48.32 | cafuego | WiFiTux: The factoid is locked. |
| 00:48.46 | special | cafuego, i dont know i newbie in this |
| 00:48.47 | Guerin | WiFiTux: and your = and ~ are around the wrong way |
| 00:48.53 | smacnay_ | special: you need to be root to run cdrecord (I believe) |
| 00:49.18 | WiFiTux | cafuego, it's fucked up, that spanish is like a 1 year old in-US korean guy talking in english |
| 00:49.20 | cafuego | special: try 'sudo cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus' |
| 00:49.41 | cafuego | WiFiTux: It's better then my spanish *shrug* |
| 00:49.50 | special | cafuego, as root? |
| 00:49.52 | WiFiTux | Guerin, !es =~ s/bla/bla1 ? |
| 00:50.00 | WiFiTux | cafuego, hehe |
| 00:50.03 | xmoogle | so does wx-config actually.. exist anywhere on debian? |
| 00:50.09 | cafuego | linoleum: And that didn't make the fglrx_foo.deb? |
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| 00:50.12 | Gavrila | gnight all |
| 00:50.24 | gilles | i typed "dpkg-reconfigure -a" and it's asking again and again the same questions |
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| 00:50.32 | cafuego | smacnay_: un cafe negro por favor. |
| 00:50.38 | linoleum | cafuego: no |
| 00:50.43 | linoleum | I dont understand :/ |
| 00:50.57 | cafuego | linoleum: Dunno then |
| 00:51.00 | smacnay_ | cafuego: is there a doc on the Debian view of XFree and X.org and where they (Deb maintainers) are going with this? |
| 00:51.04 | Guerin | WiFiTux: now you need a trailing slash |
| 00:51.05 | sussudio | !french |
| 00:51.06 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 00:51.08 | cafuego | smacnay_: Yes. |
| 00:51.10 | cafuego | !xorg |
| 00:51.10 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20040712.051027.74293658.en.html for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
| 00:51.16 | wols_ | sussudio: x.org |
| 00:51.22 | wols_ | erm, smacnay_: |
| 00:51.25 | smacnay_ | cafuego: non merci, avec du lait, s'il vour plait |
| 00:51.29 | Guerin | !x in debian |
| 00:51.29 | dpkg | from memory, x in debian is http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/debian-x-200403/msg03376.html (and follow-ups), or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml |
| 00:51.32 | smacnay_ | cafuego: thanks |
| 00:51.33 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ohh the last one.. yeah. thanks |
| 00:51.40 | grumbel | anybody around who is using submount with debian? tried to make it work myself, but the submountd dies once I press 'eject' and the fs gets umounted |
| 00:51.43 | special | cafuego, jo, showed it, but why dev=ATA ? |
| 00:51.43 | WiFiTux | !es =~ s/ensamble/ingrese/ |
| 00:51.43 | dpkg | WiFiTux: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 00:51.44 | Guerin | the last link there is all you will ever need to know about x in debian |
| 00:51.51 | WiFiTux | dpkg, suck my dick |
| 00:52.01 | WiFiTux | uuhhh |
| 00:52.19 | Guerin | WiFiTux: don't blame dpkg for your lameness |
| 00:52.30 | smacnay_ | cafuego: my French is pretty bad too. I like my coffee with some milk, not dark. |
| 00:52.32 | WiFiTux | Guerin, hehe :) |
| 00:52.37 | cafuego | special: You need to tell cdrecord about IDE burners or it will assume you have a proper SCSI one. |
| 00:52.42 | WiFiTux | Guerin, why is it blocked? |
| 00:52.45 | wols_ | Guerin: but we can blame dpkg for its bad grammar :P |
| 00:52.52 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: because morons keep modifing it. |
| 00:52.52 | cafuego | special: So, it will now have told you about a device 0,1,0 or something? |
| 00:53.07 | smacnay_ | cafuego: your perspective (you don't use X much do you?), will it be hard to implement X.org for those using XFree? |
| 00:53.19 | Guerin | WiFiTux: it's locked because dondelelcaro locked it, more than a year ago. Ask him. |
| 00:53.22 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, ok, I want to get it straight... :) |
| 00:53.28 | WiFiTux | Guerin, k |
| 00:53.32 | cafuego | smacnay_: Not if they have the slightest shred of patience and can wait for normal debian packages, no. |
| 00:53.37 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, can we? |
| 00:53.45 | cafuego | godsmoke: Korea is laggin' |
| 00:53.47 | smacnay_ | cafuego: I figured as much... thanks. |
| 00:54.29 | cafuego | smacnay_: it doesn't do anything XF4.3.99 does, except for the transparency... and ANVERYONE has been able to use X without transparency for 20 years. |
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| 00:54.41 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: find me a native speaker to tell me how it should be. |
| 00:54.44 | FieldySnuts | i've used the transparency. it's AWFUL |
| 00:55.02 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, That would be me... |
| 00:55.03 | FieldySnuts | i'm on a dual xp 1800+ with an nvidia 5900fx and it's unusably slow |
| 00:55.09 | FieldySnuts | silly. |
| 00:55.18 | smacnay_ | cafuego: I wondered as much. |
| 00:55.33 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: which version of spanish do you speak? [and what is wrong with ensamble?] |
| 00:55.36 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, why is it slow? |
| 00:55.39 | cafuego | That said, I'm using the dri-trunk X stuff |
| 00:55.44 | kerpal23 | Guerin: are you available? |
| 00:55.48 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, ensamble is assemble |
| 00:55.51 | cafuego | WiFiTux: FieldySnuts has a crap gfx card |
| 00:55.51 | FieldySnuts | because transparency or whatever in xorg is that bad at this time |
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| 00:55.51 | kerpal23 | anyone using smpt-auth with postfix? |
| 00:55.51 | Guerin | kerpal23: depends what for. |
| 00:56.02 | cafuego | !anyone |
| 00:56.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 00:56.18 | FieldySnuts | i'd say not, 80FPS at 1600x1200@24 with everything but LOD up isn't exactly crappy |
| 00:56.23 | FieldySnuts | oops, in ut2004 |
| 00:56.24 | WiFiTux | cafuego, no it's not.. :/ I have a PCI-E fx5750 |
| 00:56.24 | Guerin | kerpal23: yeah, I am. |
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| 00:56.28 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: nvidia * |
| 00:56.29 | smacnay_ | FieldySnuts: I notice no differences but I am using a slower machine with a lower-end nvidia card on typical 'testing' XFree packages. |
| 00:56.30 | FieldySnuts | removed that game anyway |
| 00:56.32 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: ie: crap. |
| 00:56.36 | kerpal23 | Guerin: can yout tell me what it says for mech list in /etc/postfix/sasl |
| 00:56.41 | FieldySnuts | right, and ati with its non-64 bit drivers. |
| 00:56.45 | FieldySnuts | cafuego: who do you prefer |
| 00:56.51 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Matrox |
| 00:56.53 | FieldySnuts | ah |
| 00:56.55 | FieldySnuts | cool |
| 00:56.55 | dondelelcaro | hrm... actually, es should probably point at spanish... |
| 00:57.13 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, as you wish, but really, is like talking really strange. I speak spanish American Continent Spanish, not USA, nor European Spanish. |
| 00:57.14 | kerpal23 | Guerin: my smtp auth is quering , it is a valid query, so its getting the password but it returns like its a bad login.. so im looking at the mech_list: to see if their is anything in that. |
| 00:57.18 | wols_ | Guerin: that depends on what the other side (the one you want to auth to) accepts as mechanisms |
| 00:57.22 | special | cafuego, you see the private? |
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| 00:57.31 | cafuego | 2048x1600-ish and no distorted colour. |
| 00:57.38 | cafuego | special: No. |
| 00:57.41 | Guerin | kerpal23: mech_list: PLAIN LOGIN |
| 00:57.59 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: yeah... I know enough to know that there are a few different variants of spanish, and that what is correct for one isn't necessarily correct for the others. |
| 00:58.08 | Guerin | kerpal23: it's tricky getting saslauthd to play nice with encrypted passwords out of mysql |
| 00:58.09 | kerpal23 | thx... i will try that.. |
| 00:58.13 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: anyway, is there any reason to have a separate es factoid? |
| 00:58.16 | cafuego | kerpal23: What do you have set as auth handler? saslauthd? |
| 00:58.28 | k-god | dondelelcaro: OK, so now I've hosed INet access from the inside out. |
| 00:58.29 | kerpal23 | cafuego: yep |
| 00:58.34 | Guerin | kerpal23: so what I do is store plaintext passwords in my mysql and enforce tls |
| 00:58.40 | cafuego | kerpal23: And you have pam setup for that? |
| 00:58.43 | kerpal23 | pwcheck_method: auxprop |
| 00:58.43 | kerpal23 | auxprop_plugin: sql |
| 00:58.43 | kerpal23 | mech_list: plain login cram-md5 digest-md5 |
| 00:58.46 | kerpal23 | oops.. |
| 00:59.01 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, of course not. But Ensamble is assemble, like to build something... |
| 00:59.03 | kerpal23 | mine look like a md5 |
| 00:59.06 | Guerin | see, those md5 methods probably won't work |
| 00:59.14 | cafuego | kerpal23: nah, fuck auxprop. use saslauthd_pam and pam_whatever. |
| 00:59.15 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: assemble also means to come together. |
| 00:59.22 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, and the "del" should be "de" |
| 00:59.26 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: it has multiple meanings... |
| 00:59.33 | kerpal23 | cafuego okay.. i will try that. |
| 00:59.40 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, ok, but not in es. |
| 01:00.01 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: anyway, is there any reason for me to keep these factoids separate since the spanish one is more to the point? |
| 01:00.02 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, I hate arguing, let's keep it that way... |
| 01:00.10 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, no. |
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| 01:00.38 | dondelelcaro | !es |
| 01:00.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 01:00.40 | cafuego | usted debe hacer la pluma en español en el sitio #debian-es para por favor y burro |
| 01:00.51 | Guerin | hah |
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| 01:01.50 | cafuego | Just put that in. |
| 01:01.58 | cafuego | Babelfish tells me it's fine. |
| 01:02.09 | MepisBelle | http://people.evilrealms.net/~pibby/view_photo.php?set_albumName=kde&id=Debian_Bluejeans |
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| 01:03.11 | ALLoneBH | london.uk.eu.undernet.org |
| 01:03.51 | bloom | I figured out what sarge pool was supposed to be. |
| 01:03.53 | bloom | !sarge pool 2 |
| 01:03.53 | dpkg | More bets on when sarge will become stable! paulswm=LOSER Chromakode=LOSER RinzeWind=LOSER FreshUsr=LOSER bytewalker=LOSER Supaplex=Before Y2K38 g4lt=when hell freezes over (don't delete it this time) mechan0r=when_gravity_says_so gravity=when_aj_says_so VynoM=LOSER zu22=LOSER Gnea=LOSER Sinistrad=LOSER mdeboer=LOSER hoxu=LOSER cafuego=2004-13-13 |
| 01:03.56 | bloom | ! sarge pool |
| 01:03.57 | dpkg | i guess sarge pool is Come and bet on when Sarge will be released. Ask me about "listkeys sarge pool" to find all of the bets, and "sarge bet" to find out how to bet. ! bloom=2005-01-31 |
| 01:04.12 | MidnightElf | is debian good for spamassassin and exchange 5.5? |
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| 01:04.28 | bloom | needless to say some bets have disappeared, but those people will find out that they need to bet again |
| 01:04.47 | cafuego | bloom: No, once a loser always a loser. |
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| 01:05.13 | Guerin | MidnightElf: i think ximian connector is in debian testing, yeah |
| 01:05.23 | bloom | cafuego: have all of those bets expired? there's a reason I said "disappeared" instead of "were lost" |
| 01:05.25 | kerpal23 | cafuego: pwcheck_method: saslauthd_pam and then?? put a smtp file in pam.d? |
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| 01:05.36 | mhall | Firefox is warning me about a security glitch in the latest version in unstable. I'm running SPARC, how can I get a more up-to-date build? |
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| 01:05.44 | cafuego | kerpal23: moment... |
| 01:05.49 | MidnightElf | Guerin: Is that good or bad? |
| 01:06.04 | cafuego | pwcheck_method: saslauthd |
| 01:06.20 | kerpal23 | cafuego: i can figure out the content of the file just not the connection to the pam.d |
| 01:06.21 | Guerin | MidnightElf: well, I think it's a pointless woft, but if you want to connect to exchange servers, you'll need it |
| 01:06.35 | MidnightElf | :) thx |
| 01:06.38 | cafuego | MECHANISMS="pam" in /etc/default/saslauthd (you *may* also want -r in the PARAMS there) |
| 01:06.42 | Guerin | !find connector sarge |
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| 01:06.46 | mhall | Also, does anybody know of a command to reinitialize a frame buffer? X seems to have corrupted the color gamma values in my console so I cannot see anything. |
| 01:06.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'connector' (5 shown; 20 total): (/usr/lib/thuban/Thuban/Lib/connector.py) in graphics/thuban ;; (/usr/X11R6/include/Unidraw/Components/connector.h) in devel/ivtools-dev ;; (/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/pyx/connector.py) in python/python2.2-pyx ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/pyx/connector.py) in python/python2.3-pyx ;; (/usr/lib/openoffice/program/connector.uno.so) in editors/openoffice.org-bin. |
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| 01:06.56 | Guerin | grr |
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| 01:07.24 | atone | hello, I want to hide the two sides of the gnome bottom panel to transparet, but I dont know how to do. like this : |
| 01:07.26 | atone | http://csj.homelinux.org/gallery/album03/bas_panel |
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| 01:07.38 | atone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:07.43 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 01:07.43 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gimp.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:07.46 | MidnightElf | hmmm ximian connector appears to be related to Novell |
| 01:07.52 | cafuego | kerpal23: And in /etc/pam.d/smpt I have: auth required pam_mysql.so user=<U> passwd=<P> host=localhost db=provider table=user usercolumn=email passwdcolumn=cleartext |
| 01:07.52 | Guerin | MidnightElf: no shit. |
| 01:07.55 | cafuego | crypt=0 |
| 01:08.08 | atone | !#gnome |
| 01:08.08 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gimp.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 01:08.19 | Vegar | I've been googling a little on stuff about supported WLAN interfaces, and everyone seem to be talking about this prism chip. |
| 01:08.22 | Guerin | atone: you thought it would do something different for you? |
| 01:08.27 | mhall | cafuego why does that say /etc/pam.d/smpt |
| 01:08.28 | kerpal23 | cafuego: btw my saslauthd is in /etc/default |
| 01:08.32 | Vegar | Anyone know how well this prism chip is supported? |
| 01:08.33 | gilles | the sound still doesn't work on my system, i can only play audio cds, what can i do ? |
| 01:08.36 | gpled | what gcc does debian use? |
| 01:08.42 | Guerin | gpled: depends |
| 01:08.43 | mhall | gpled you can pick |
| 01:08.46 | simonrvn | gcc |
| 01:08.48 | mhall | !tell gpled about PDO |
| 01:08.53 | cafuego | gpled: 2.95 through 3.4 |
| 01:08.57 | MidnightElf | Guerin.. I wanted to use spamassassin to pass mail to an Exchange 5.5 Mail server |
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| 01:09.12 | MidnightElf | I'm a newby, please be patient with me |
| 01:09.14 | mhall | gpled if you search your dist on PDO you can tell the versions out there, also apt-cache search gcc | grep gcc |
| 01:09.23 | sussudio | !noob |
| 01:09.24 | dpkg | methinks noob is < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob", or the equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
| 01:09.31 | Guerin | MidnightElf: oh, ok. You don't need connector for that, you just need an mta. Easily done. |
| 01:09.40 | kerpal23 | !noob hahaha |
| 01:09.40 | cafuego | kerpal23: /etc/pam.d/smtp even. |
| 01:10.06 | cafuego | Vegar: Most cards with prism2 chipsets are fully supported. |
| 01:10.09 | Guerin | MidnightElf: if you're a newby, why are you responsible for setting up a mail server in what's clearly a production environment? |
| 01:10.09 | kerpal23 | so pam in the one and pam_mysql in smtp contents. |
| 01:10.15 | MidnightElf | MTA... like sendmail |
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| 01:10.16 | MidnightElf | ? |
| 01:10.18 | cafuego | Vegar: On occasion you may need a kernel patch for monitor mode. |
| 01:10.34 | Guerin | MidnightElf: like sendmail, but not sendmail, if you value your spleen |
| 01:10.40 | MidnightElf | lol |
| 01:10.47 | cafuego | kerpal23: Yes, tell saslauthd to use pam and tell pam to use pam_mysql. |
| 01:10.56 | MidnightElf | i only have 150 employees and Im the best suited |
| 01:10.59 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 01:10.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 01:11.17 | simonrvn | cafuego: you can do that to saslauthd? |
| 01:11.20 | Guerin | MidnightElf: go have a read of that mail tutorial for starters. |
| 01:11.23 | kerpal23 | any idea how pam knows how to look at smtp in the pam.d (i wish i understood that magic?) |
| 01:11.27 | cafuego | simonrvn: It's how mine works. So yes. |
| 01:11.41 | kerpal23 | was pam made by disney cause it sure is magical. |
| 01:11.43 | simonrvn | cafuego: fucky. mind if i have a looksy? |
| 01:11.50 | MidnightElf | cool thanks! |
| 01:11.51 | simonrvn | @kill disney |
| 01:11.54 | cafuego | simonrvn: Sure, lemme give you a root shell. |
| 01:11.57 | Guerin | kerpal23: the pam service is called "smtp" |
| 01:12.13 | simonrvn | cafuego: .... |
| 01:12.14 | cafuego | simonrvn: Which files do you want? |
| 01:12.18 | MidnightElf | it's a little hard reading because of all of the versions and some dont like to play nice with others |
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| 01:12.39 | simonrvn | cafuego: just wanted to see /etc/salsauthd.conf |
| 01:12.41 | Kanataman | er.. hot=how. |
| 01:12.44 | simonrvn | sasl* |
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| 01:12.53 | caphuso | grumbel: after a quick look at submount it seems that you complain about expected behaviour |
| 01:13.03 | cafuego | simonrvn: I don't have one of them. I only have /etc/default/saslauthd |
| 01:13.06 | kerpal23 | but how does it travel along the path of postfix --- saslauthd --- pam -- (part not understood) -- smtp (making that file right now) |
| 01:13.22 | simonrvn | cafuego: oh. ok. ooohh |
| 01:13.33 | grumbel | caphuso: hm, well how am I expected to get my mount-point back then? |
| 01:13.35 | simonrvn | *light bulb* |
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| 01:13.50 | cafuego | kerpal23: postfix runs on the smtp port, so it tells pam (via saslauthd) to sue the 'smtp' service definition. |
| 01:13.59 | caphuso | grumbel: "get it back"? |
| 01:14.00 | grumbel | caphuso: as far as I understand submount should act similar to supermount and that didn't let the mountpoint just die after ejecting the disk |
| 01:14.02 | cafuego | simonrvn: Just tell it to use 'pam' there. |
| 01:14.05 | MidnightElf | yikes... that tutorial was ... ummm very basic |
| 01:14.10 | t17mh | I get my mail with fetchmail+postfix+procmail. Somehow, mail is getting cut off in the middle of fetching -- does anyone know what could cause this? |
| 01:14.10 | simonrvn | cafuego: nm, i figured it out. thanks. i'm half-way considering moving back to cyrus-imap. courier doesn't do what i want it to do |
| 01:14.27 | cafuego | simonrvn: What do you want it to do then? |
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| 01:14.29 | kerpal23 | Cool so it works by ownership of the port via (likely) the /etc/services file. |
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| 01:14.45 | cafuego | kerpal23: For sanity's sake, let's say yes. |
| 01:14.46 | t17mh | fetchmail complains: message was not the expected length (81901 actual != 585900 expected) |
| 01:14.47 | sin-bad | hey peeps, whats the command to reconfigure X-Windows? |
| 01:14.52 | grumbel | caphuso: currently it works like this: mount -t subfs...; do something; eject the disk; submountd dies and subfs is umounted |
| 01:14.52 | caphuso | grumbel: pressing eject doesn't do anything to submountd |
| 01:15.08 | grumbel | caphuso: well, for me it kills the submountd |
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| 01:15.24 | mwilson | Something called "X-Windows" would first have to exist. |
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| 01:15.38 | caphuso | grumbel: that's because it's not supposed to survive the umount |
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| 01:15.51 | Wolven | sin-bad, xf86config? |
| 01:16.01 | cafuego | sin-bad: You can reconfigure X or The X Window System with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 01:16.04 | cafuego | Wolven: NO! |
| 01:16.13 | simonrvn | cafuego: i want to have the maildirs in something other than /home. i want to be able to have similar stuff to cyrus, but courier's LDAP support. i'm fucked basically. i want the best of both, and either of them suck at one thing or the other. |
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| 01:16.18 | Wolven | cafuego, OK! |
| 01:16.31 | grumbel | caphuso: the thing is that the mount-point with the subfs is unmounted after that, so no more 'ls /dvd' until I manually remount it |
| 01:16.46 | cafuego | simonrvn: You want virtual users? I have all maildirs in /var/spool/vmail/domain/user/ |
| 01:16.50 | wols_ | simonrvn: I'm curious, what is that you don't like about cyrus? |
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| 01:17.08 | simonrvn | cafuego: mine is more or less in /var/spool, yes |
| 01:17.19 | cafuego | wols_: cyrus' behaviour when a disk fills up is shite to say the least. |
| 01:17.24 | caphuso | grumbel: that shouldn't happen... |
| 01:17.25 | simonrvn | wols_: cyrus' LDAP support sucks donkey balls |
| 01:17.36 | caphuso | grumbel: and it doesn't, here |
| 01:17.44 | simonrvn | i.e, there isn't any |
| 01:18.03 | cafuego | wols_: it uses db3 index files to keep track of mails and they're just too prone to breakage. |
| 01:18.14 | wols_ | what I hate about cyrus it the format, but on the other hand I like how fast access is compared to courier... |
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| 01:18.37 | cafuego | Not to mention I found MINE was logging over 2GB of shite to some obscure subdir somewhere. |
| 01:18.41 | wols_ | yes, the libdb3 thing can be bad, but I hate the time courier takes for opening folders and stuff |
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| 01:19.12 | cafuego | wols_: courier seems faster then cyrus here. |
| 01:19.18 | caphuso | grumbel: what's the exact command line you're using to mount the subfs filesystem? |
| 01:19.35 | wols_ | for me it always took a long time for my big folders (5000-10000 messages) |
| 01:19.36 | simonrvn | i'm switching my mailstore to jfs. xfs is sucky with small files |
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| 01:19.52 | Klebel | how do i see which driver my soundcard is using? |
| 01:19.54 | grumbel | caphuso: mount -t subfs /dev/cdroms/cdrom1 /dvd/ -o fs=iso9660,ro |
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| 01:20.07 | simonrvn | subfs? |
| 01:20.12 | cafuego | wols_: Yeah, but do does cyrus. Mine you, I'm using it exclusively via remote imap. |
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| 01:20.37 | cafuego | simonrvn: reiser |
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| 01:20.54 | wols_ | for me, cyrus was a lot faster and the imap disk was thrashing a LOT less |
| 01:20.54 | simonrvn | i don't trust reiser |
| 01:21.04 | wols_ | simonrvn: reiser is good |
| 01:21.12 | caphuso | grumbel: works here, but i'm not using that devfs crap |
| 01:21.13 | simonrvn | i don't trust reiser |
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| 01:21.26 | cafuego | simonrvn: 's been runnign fine since Feb 2000 |
| 01:21.53 | simonrvn | i just don't want to touch reiser on a big endian box... |
| 01:21.56 | caphuso | cafuego: i had it running fine Jun 2001 |
| 01:22.02 | caphuso | cafuego: and a bit of Jul 2001 |
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| 01:22.28 | Tabitha | any good howtos on dual booting debian/windowsxp? |
| 01:22.46 | cafuego | reiser has been since since I started using it on a 2.2 kernel (and what includes ungraceful reboots) |
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| 01:22.56 | caphuso | Tabitha: install windows. install debian. setup lilo like lilo.conf tells you. done |
| 01:23.12 | Tabitha | 1. install windows... check :D |
| 01:23.13 | jharrison | abrotman: dude! |
| 01:23.35 | Tabitha | 2. install debian.. I have debian 3.0r1 cds sitting here... installing would require what? :) |
| 01:23.38 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: install windwows, install debian, setup grub instead of lilo |
| 01:23.43 | Klebel | how do i see all the packages that are installed with kde on my system? |
| 01:23.53 | jharrison | Tabitha: use sarge |
| 01:24.01 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: desktop? if so, use sarge |
| 01:24.01 | Vegar | cafuego: What about AP-mode? |
| 01:24.06 | MerlinCorey | !tell Tabitha about d-i |
| 01:24.07 | Tabitha | sarge?.. testing? |
| 01:24.15 | simonrvn | woody == stable, sarge == testing, sid == unstable. sid will always be unstable. |
| 01:24.21 | Guerin | Klebel: dpkg -l |grep -i kde |
| 01:24.30 | Tabitha | why would I install a testing os? |
| 01:24.32 | t17mh | wtf... my problem appears to have disappeared and all I've done is try to test for it. |
| 01:24.43 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: because it will soon become stable and woody is two years old |
| 01:24.50 | simonrvn | Tabitha: it's not the stability of the s/w, but the packaging |
| 01:24.51 | MobyTurbo | Tabitha: of course "sarge" will eventually become "stable", and a new name will be given to testing. |
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| 01:24.56 | Guerin | Tabitha: you installed windows, didn't you? |
| 01:25.01 | Tabitha | yes, I did. |
| 01:25.02 | MerlinCorey | MobyTurbo: etch |
| 01:25.07 | Tabitha | (install windows) |
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| 01:25.14 | alexander_ | hello all |
| 01:25.15 | wols_ | Guerin: windows is not a testing OS, it's known unstable |
| 01:25.20 | Tabitha | hah |
| 01:25.20 | MobyTurbo | MerlinCorey: yep |
| 01:25.24 | Guerin | Tabitha: so you've installed a fake os, why draw the line at something whose bugs actually get fixed? |
| 01:25.27 | simonrvn | Tabitha: now that's what i would call an unstable OS |
| 01:25.27 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: do you have a spare partition for debian? |
| 01:25.35 | Tabitha | MerlinCorey: yes I do. |
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| 01:25.49 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: then get the netinst ISO from the link dpkg msg'd you |
| 01:25.50 | MobyTurbo | I've never watched Toy Story, how many more characters before Debian runs out? |
| 01:26.02 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: not many; only onw or two |
| 01:26.07 | alexander_ | is there some reason that x11 would use PS/2 when i told it to use Intellimouse? its connected through a USB hub, would this be why? |
| 01:26.08 | Guerin | MobyTurbo: but then there's TS2 |
| 01:26.09 | MerlinCorey | MobyTurbo: quite a few - there's always toy story two |
| 01:26.18 | wols_ | Tabitha: the reason you want to run testing is to have recent desktop software. desktop software in woody is very old |
| 01:26.23 | anihilator | I could use some help getting my sound working if anyone's able, I just recently installed linux and I know little about it |
| 01:26.23 | caphuso | MobyTurbo: start worrying when stinky pete gets released as new stable |
| 01:26.30 | jharrison | alexander_: did you tell it to use /dev/input/mice? |
| 01:26.40 | MerlinCorey | [01:28] <dpkg> told anihilator_ about sound (To configure sound in Debian: first, use modconf to |
| 01:26.42 | t17mh | nevermind. It's still fubared. |
| 01:26.42 | MobyTurbo | lol |
| 01:26.47 | MerlinCorey | did we already do this, anihilator? |
| 01:26.54 | alexander_ | jharrison, yes, in xf86configure |
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| 01:27.09 | resiak | I'm racking my brains trying to remember how to get a diagram of the current keymap... |
| 01:27.09 | jharrison | alexander_: I dont see why a usb hub would matter |
| 01:27.16 | Tabitha | wols_: Well I have a remote server that I manage that is using woody... so.. I figured having it here locally would be helpful |
| 01:27.22 | Guerin | anihilator: you've been anihilating [sic] our patience on this matter for about a week now... |
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| 01:27.39 | wols_ | Tabitha: sure, if you like kde 2.2.2 instead of kde3.x... |
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| 01:27.53 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: it's still debian, just newer packages :) |
| 01:28.03 | alexander_ | jharrison, im asking because i have two computers with the same software, and besides one or two things the only difference is the hub |
| 01:28.04 | Tabitha | hey.. it's not my fault it takes two years to get a new stable ;) |
| 01:28.05 | wols_ | woody for a servre (especially production ones) is good since the software is rock stable and outdatedness doesn't matter so much there |
| 01:28.07 | Guerin | look, there's nothing wrong with running woody |
| 01:28.14 | wols_ | for desktops, it's another story |
| 01:28.24 | kerpal23 | cafuego: status: smtp in pam.d file made with relevant sql stanza's ( 80% confident, 20% only cause pam is magical, and evil) , smtp.conf only contains "pwcheck_method: saslauthd", in the mail log my error is " warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to saslauthd server: No such file or directory |
| 01:28.28 | jharrison | alexander_: have you tried connecting the mouse directly to the computer to see if it works? |
| 01:28.31 | anihilator | merlincorey, guerin: I've attempted to get it working several times but I've had little success, most of the tutorials I've looked at have given me non-existance commands |
| 01:28.42 | jharrison | Tabitha: it is your fault |
| 01:28.42 | Guerin | it's a damn good os, and a very goood learning platform. |
| 01:28.57 | alexander_ | jharrison, i can... but i have to get it working through the hub anyways... |
| 01:29.00 | alexander_ | lemme see... |
| 01:29.06 | anihilator | guerin: i'm sorry to keep bugging you about this, but i've had no luck =( |
| 01:29.07 | wols_ | Tabitha: debian is a fully user supported and maintained OS, so it is really your fault :) |
| 01:29.08 | Guerin | kerpal23: you need to put your saslauthd mux file somewhere your smtpd, etc, can reach it. |
| 01:29.10 | MerlinCorey | anihilator: so... GET those commands |
| 01:29.19 | jharrison | Tabitha: if you and me and others would become bug fixers we would have stable sooner :-P |
| 01:29.27 | alexander_ | jharrison, do i have to restart X? |
| 01:29.31 | jharrison | alexander_: yes |
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| 01:29.39 | jharrison | alexander_: anytime you change your config you do |
| 01:29.39 | alexander_ | dammit |
| 01:29.40 | alexander_ | bb |
| 01:29.41 | Tabitha | alas, I am not skilled in the ways of C ;) |
| 01:29.43 | jharrison | alexander_: wait |
| 01:29.44 | alexander_ | thx |
| 01:29.47 | alexander_ | ok |
| 01:29.53 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: what does C have to do with anything? |
| 01:29.54 | anihilator | merlincorey yeah i did a few of them, others still didn't do anything though |
| 01:30.02 | MerlinCorey | !tell anihilator about sound |
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| 01:30.09 | jharrison | alexander_: if you are just unconnecting the mouse and plugging it direct to the computer you should not need to restart X |
| 01:30.10 | MerlinCorey | apt-get anything that doesn't exist, anihilator |
| 01:30.11 | MobyTurbo | jharrison: if you find bugs use bugreport or bugs.debian.org |
| 01:30.16 | Tabitha | well I presume a good deal of code is written in C? ;) |
| 01:30.25 | jharrison | MobyTurbo: yes I know |
| 01:30.25 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: so is Windows' |
| 01:30.27 | jharrison | MobyTurbo: thanks |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | jharrison: ? |
| 01:30.33 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 01:30.37 | jharrison | abrotman: where have you been |
| 01:30.39 | Tabitha | MerlinCorey: And I'm not fixing bugs in windows either? ;) |
| 01:30.45 | jharrison | abrotman: you were MIA for a few days |
| 01:30.46 | abrotman | jharrison: working :) |
| 01:30.51 | jharrison | abrotman: oh true |
| 01:30.55 | jharrison | abrotman: everything is well with you? |
| 01:30.56 | MobyTurbo | jharrison: my experiences with it have been largely positive. |
| 01:30.57 | alexander_ | jharrison, ok... i checked, the scrollwheel doesnt work - same as before |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | jharrison: oh .. i was in pittsburgh for a wedding |
| 01:30.59 | Guerin | !beer abrotman |
| 01:31.08 | abrotman | !smoke Guerin |
| 01:31.12 | abrotman | hmmm |
| 01:31.13 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:31.17 | MerlinCorey | Tabitha: well, fixing bugs in *nix you're likely going to need Perl, as well as C |
| 01:31.24 | jharrison | !splif Guerin |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | no kindbud or alaskan thunderfuck .. oh well |
| 01:31.33 | Guerin | :( |
| 01:31.36 | jharrison | dpkg has lots his coolness |
| 01:31.36 | dpkg | jharrison: i don't know |
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| 01:31.42 | jharrison | dpkg: shut IT! |
| 01:31.42 | dpkg | jharrison: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:31.50 | jharrison | dpkg: it better be |
| 01:31.50 | dpkg | jharrison: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:31.54 | jharrison | heh |
| 01:31.55 | abrotman | dpkg: go home |
| 01:31.56 | wols_ | Tabitha: you pay billg to fix the bugs for you (even if he fails miserably on it) |
| 01:31.57 | sussudio | !cheeseslap jharrison |
| 01:32.06 | jharrison | !weed |
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| 01:32.08 | jlacosse | how do I set up a hardware router? (I dont want to do the 1 disk thing) |
| 01:32.09 | abrotman | !fart |
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| 01:32.15 | jharrison | !weed abrotman |
| 01:32.21 | jharrison | ew |
| 01:32.22 | abrotman | !pee jharrison |
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| 01:32.29 | Tabitha | and chaos ensues.. |
| 01:32.33 | sussudio | !ewe |
| 01:32.33 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 01:32.36 | jharrison | abrotman: I have something to ask you |
| 01:32.37 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 01:32.37 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:32.39 | Ronin | Tabitha: ensues? more like continues |
| 01:32.48 | kerpal23 | Guerin: how do i tell postfix where sasauthd is .... |
| 01:32.50 | jharrison | I better head to #debian-offtopic for this one though |
| 01:32.52 | wols_ | jlacosse: shouldn't you check the manual for your hardware router for that instead of #debian? |
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| 01:33.07 | abrotman | jharrison: you're not there |
| 01:33.12 | jlacosse | wols_: I mean a software router |
| 01:33.19 | anihilator | merlincorey aight i'll go through this again, i'll ask questions when i get stuck |
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| 01:33.24 | wols_ | jlacosse: apt-cache show ipmasq, dnsmasq |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | guering is a verb :) |
| 01:33.43 | Guerin | kerpal23: sasl/smtpd.conf:pwcheck_method: saslauthd |
| 01:33.47 | jlacosse | wolds_: thanks |
| 01:33.47 | Guerin | sorry |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | no more googling .. it was a fad |
| 01:33.51 | abrotman | now we guering |
| 01:34.03 | Guerin | kerpal23: /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf: pwcheck_method: saslauthd |
| 01:34.26 | Tabitha | I want to add to a bug report but I don't want to receive spam. |
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| 01:34.38 | Tabitha | is there anyway to submit something anonymously or with a fake e-mail address or something ;) |
| 01:34.43 | Ronin | so who said filing a report leads to spam? |
| 01:34.58 | wols_ | Tabitha: why would debian sell your email addy to anyone? |
| 01:34.59 | Tabitha | well.. if it's a web page and it has an e-mail address on it, I'm gonna say I get spam. |
| 01:35.03 | MerlinCorey | anihilator: what the fuck is your problem? |
| 01:35.07 | Guerin | kerpal23: but the point is that if some of your postfix processes are chrooted, you either need to run the saslauthd mux inside the postfix chroot, or you need to unchroot the postfix processes |
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| 01:35.23 | Guerin | kerpal23: cafuego's method is simplest: unchroot all postfix processes. |
| 01:35.25 | kerpal23 | Guerin: so is postfix using path to figure out where its at? im not sure what you mean as smptd.conf has pwcheck:saslauthd |
| 01:35.30 | MerlinCorey | anihilator: if msg'ing people is a bad idea - what the hell makes you think I want to DCC chat with you about your sound problem that we've been through 12521354132414 times? |
| 01:35.38 | Tabitha | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=280233 <-- there are e-mail addresses all over that. |
| 01:35.49 | FieldySnuts | so don't put yours there. |
| 01:35.59 | kerpal23 | hmm so copy the file to the chroot system maybe? |
| 01:35.59 | Guerin | kerpal23: no, it's a know part of the saslauthd mechanism: /var/run/saslauthd/something.mux |
| 01:36.04 | Guerin | or somesuch |
| 01:36.07 | FieldySnuts | also use a mail client with a clue (thunderbird etc) that can learn to filter |
| 01:36.07 | Tabitha | FieldySnuts: How? |
| 01:36.14 | Guerin | kerpal23: better to unchroot the processes |
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| 01:36.19 | FieldySnuts | ok, conversation over. dumbass detected. |
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| 01:36.31 | crack | hi guys |
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| 01:36.46 | anihilator | merlincorey: sorry, thought you were willing to offer some help. I have little idea what the hell i'm doing in linux. you dont have to be an ass about it |
| 01:36.52 | kerpal23 | Guerin: it would kill my setup to unchroot it. |
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| 01:37.06 | crack | hey ahihilator |
| 01:37.07 | Tabitha | FieldySnuts: Whoakay then, Captain Smart E. Pants. |
| 01:37.10 | kerpal23 | Guerin: that doesnt make sense as the saslauthd is running as a dameon. |
| 01:37.14 | MerlinCorey | anihilator: you don't have to be a dumbass, either |
| 01:37.14 | format12356 | what dos grep do |
| 01:37.16 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: your buddy format12356 is back. |
| 01:37.16 | crack | do u need some simple help or alot of bi ghelp |
| 01:37.19 | FieldySnuts | man grep |
| 01:37.20 | mhall | Hello. Can anybody give me some tips on IPv6 DNS with Freenet6 please? |
| 01:37.23 | simonrvn | format12356: man grep |
| 01:37.34 | mwilson | format12356: What does the man page say it does? |
| 01:37.34 | MerlinCorey | anihilator: if you have a specific problem, ask about it here, and people will help - or not! it's all volunteer |
| 01:37.41 | kerpal23 | how does one use ltrace? |
| 01:37.42 | resiak | format12356: man grep (Just in case you didn't see it the first few times.) |
| 01:37.43 | format12356 | explane pls |
| 01:37.45 | MerlinCorey | anihilator: me helping you in private doesn't help ANYONE |
| 01:37.53 | MerlinCorey | anihilator: I'm not the ONLY person here, you know |
| 01:37.53 | resiak | format12356: Have you read the damned manpage? |
| 01:38.02 | resiak | format12356: Run man grep at a shell. |
| 01:38.03 | FieldySnuts | he won't understand anything, he cannot understand the most basic instructions. advice: don't waste your time with him |
| 01:38.03 | format12356 | i did |
| 01:38.06 | Guerin | kerpal23: what process is failing to connect to the saslauthd mux? |
| 01:38.19 | format12356 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:38.22 | anihilator | merlincorey i'm aware... since you spoke up i figured you knew what you were talking about |
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| 01:38.27 | kerpal23 | Guerin: thats what im going to try and figure out. |
| 01:38.40 | Tabitha | format12356: What is your primary language? |
| 01:38.51 | MobyTurbo | format12356: well, if you can't read, stop wasting your time with Linux and pick up "Dick and Jane" |
| 01:38.57 | format12356 | english |
| 01:39.00 | cire | I have a usb cd-writer. What kernel options have to be set to make k3b recognize it? |
| 01:39.10 | Tabitha | format12356: Then try reading again. |
| 01:39.29 | format12356 | k |
| 01:39.51 | kerpal23 | Guerin: i just realized i may be too n00b for ltrace it looks like klingon.. anyhow... |
| 01:39.55 | format12356 | man man |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: we're done now :) |
| 01:39.57 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: Are you being mean agian? |
| 01:40.02 | Guerin | format12356: a good way to hone your literacty skills is to always speak and type in correct, fluent english |
| 01:40.08 | resiak | format12356: "Grep searches the named input FILEs for lines containing a match to the given PATTERN." So `grep foo myFile` would (by default) print out all those lines which contain the word foo. |
| 01:40.18 | Guerin | kerpal23: I hate *trace output |
| 01:40.27 | format12356 | Trying to get explanation |
| 01:40.28 | FieldySnuts | seriously quit wasting your time with him he was here for about a half hour before. samet hing. |
| 01:40.33 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You were right. Major suckage. |
| 01:40.33 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: apparently |
| 01:40.38 | resiak | FieldySnuts: With grep?" |
| 01:40.38 | format12356 | On what exactly grep does |
| 01:40.44 | format12356 | In small terms |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: comcast dns? |
| 01:40.46 | resiak | format12356: I just _told_ you. |
| 01:40.47 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: Cool. Keep up the good work. |
| 01:40.48 | kerpal23 | Guerin: i think its the smtp process. |
| 01:40.49 | MerlinCorey | format12356: info grep |
| 01:40.54 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: thanks :D |
| 01:40.55 | kerpal23 | Guerin: i saw a sasl call |
| 01:41.00 | Guerin | kerpal23: is that process chrooted? |
| 01:41.02 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Always. But no that cartoon that was on last night. |
| 01:41.03 | format12356 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.09 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: oh .. not so good |
| 01:41.09 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: *nod* |
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| 01:41.22 | format12356 | Does anybody have a simple definition |
| 01:41.26 | format12356 | on grep |
| 01:41.30 | wols_ | Tabitha: man reportbug |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: sorry .. thought it was done :) |
| 01:41.32 | FieldySnuts | WE GAVE IT TO YOU man grep |
| 01:41.36 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Meh, It's been a few years since it was really great. |
| 01:41.40 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: sorry |
| 01:41.41 | wols_ | you can set the email addy to use in there |
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| 01:41.45 | format12356 | What did you say you said Man pages |
| 01:41.48 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: just teasing |
| 01:41.52 | kerpal23 | Guerin: been a while since i messed with the chrooting, i migrated from cyrus to courier.. is their a way i can test a pid for a chroot? |
| 01:41.55 | format12356 | I want simple answer |
| 01:42.04 | scarynetworkguy | FieldySnuts: Hey!! |
| 01:42.06 | resiak | format12356: I _gave_ you a simple answer. Scroll up. |
| 01:42.06 | FieldySnuts | seriously, let's join resiak . i am. |
| 01:42.09 | format12356 | Or a phrase explaining in simple terms |
| 01:42.10 | Guerin | kerpal23: just look at master.cf |
| 01:42.18 | wols_ | format12356: open a terminal/console then type "man grep" |
| 01:42.19 | kerpal23 | will do.. |
| 01:42.19 | format12356 | of grep |
| 01:42.28 | simonrvn | format12356: use a dictionary if you don't get something |
| 01:42.38 | format12356 | Does anybody has simple definition ongrep ? |
| 01:42.40 | FieldySnuts | @mhallsmite me |
| 01:42.46 | FieldySnuts | indeed. |
| 01:42.50 | format12356 | Hello |
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| 01:42.55 | Guerin | format12356: "see the lines you want" |
| 01:43.01 | kerpal23 | Guerin: no chroot string found without a # in front of it, so i would say negative nothing is chrooted.. |
| 01:43.03 | format12356 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:43.07 | resiak | FieldySnuts: I get the feeling it's a bot. |
| 01:43.13 | Guerin | kerpal23: ?? |
| 01:43.13 | kerpal23 | but is their a way to generically test chroot? |
| 01:43.15 | FieldySnuts | it's not, it's just a very very thick person |
| 01:43.18 | wols_ | Guerin: you should write a "for dummies" book. I'm sure format12356 will buy a copy of it :) |
| 01:43.23 | format12356 | Exactly the lines where in what script |
| 01:43.31 | FieldySnuts | no because he won't be able to count the money to pay for it |
| 01:43.33 | MobyTurbo | !moron format12356 |
| 01:43.34 | dpkg | format12356: You are moron #10 |
| 01:43.36 | kerpal23 | Guerin: chroot was not found with grep unless it was within a comment. |
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| 01:43.44 | resiak | Do we only have 10 morons, or is he already on there?! |
| 01:43.45 | format12356 | Why are you bashing me now |
| 01:43.45 | scarynetworkguy | format12356: Are you a bot? |
| 01:43.50 | Guerin | kerpal23: do you actually know how master.cf is laid out? you need to look at it |
| 01:43.51 | format12356 | Just asking you a question |
| 01:43.55 | kerpal23 | Guerin: i would but a copy. |
| 01:43.56 | wols_ | FieldySnuts: he could always pull and Abby Hoffman (and then get caught) |
| 01:43.56 | MobyTurbo | only #10? |
| 01:43.57 | simonrvn | resiak: it's random |
| 01:43.58 | FieldySnuts | ack he said .cf |
| 01:43.58 | format12356 | About grep |
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| 01:44.01 | guestish | yay! my irqs are all straightened out! why im telling you people i dont know :) |
| 01:44.02 | resiak | simonrvn: Oh. Damn. |
| 01:44.08 | guestish | !hug FieldySnuts |
| 01:44.12 | format12356 | And exactly what grep does |
| 01:44.13 | kerpal23 | Guerin: ahh thats right bitwise columns.. oops |
| 01:44.15 | scarynetworkguy | !win guestish |
| 01:44.15 | MerlinCorey | !moron anihilator |
| 01:44.15 | FieldySnuts | sendmail ;/ |
| 01:44.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, guestish! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:44.17 | dpkg | anihilator: You are moron #53 |
| 01:44.18 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: =D |
| 01:44.24 | format12356 | Don't get mad |
| 01:44.24 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: :) |
| 01:44.27 | MerlinCorey | yeah, apparently format12356 is already moron #10 |
| 01:44.28 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: i got each module on a seperate irq, its great |
| 01:44.31 | format12356 | Back to my question |
| 01:44.34 | format12356 | grep |
| 01:44.35 | kerpal23 | gungnir: not chrooted. |
| 01:44.38 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: Coolness. |
| 01:44.38 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: bttv and nvidia arent sharing anymore :) |
| 01:44.40 | mwilson | format12356: You really aren't very bright, are you? |
| 01:44.44 | format12356 | lines does it fine |
| 01:44.44 | Empty | If I DLed a -srs from apt-get, how do I make it? Not a kernel source, done that already |
| 01:44.44 | kerpal23 | Guerin: not chrooted i mean. |
| 01:44.50 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: Always nice. |
| 01:44.51 | Empty | errr -src |
| 01:44.52 | format12356 | In which directories |
| 01:44.53 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: this was proven solidly earlier in the day. |
| 01:44.54 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: definitely |
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| 01:44.59 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: I know. |
| 01:45.00 | Guerin | kerpal23: so the chroot column says "n" ? |
| 01:45.01 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: *nod* |
| 01:45.03 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: okay good |
| 01:45.07 | format12356 | Never mind |
| 01:45.07 | kerpal23 | all n or - |
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| 01:45.15 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: i hate isa...turns out it was reserving irqs for non-existant isa devices |
| 01:45.16 | kerpal23 | Guerin: no Y's |
| 01:45.20 | format12356 | Sorry for the inconvenience |
| 01:45.32 | Guerin | kerpal23: n means not chrooted. - or y means chrooted. LOOK AT THE DAMN KEY. |
| 01:45.34 | format12356 | root / |
| 01:45.36 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: Yeah I hear ya there. |
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| 01:45.39 | wols_ | Empty: easiest way is: apt-get -b source ... |
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| 01:45.56 | kerpal23 | Guerin: hahaha sorry man, im growing ancy |
| 01:46.06 | Guerin | kerpal23: - means default, and the default state for a postfix process is chrooted. |
| 01:46.12 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: well now i know why windoze is acting so weird, i bet it has all processes on 1 irq |
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| 01:46.53 | kerpal23 | Guerin: the stupid thing was ltrace its definatly the smptd proc as shown in the log. |
| 01:47.19 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: heh |
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| 01:47.24 | Empty | Well, I already have it untarred, and I just ran Configure |
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| 01:47.34 | guestish | :) |
| 01:48.05 | scarynetworkguy | Empty: Well that is fucking silly. |
| 01:48.21 | resiak | Damn, I just actually read through man grep. Not only can grep do far more than I thought, but the manpage is really easy to read... |
| 01:48.34 | FieldySnuts | grep is bad ass. |
| 01:48.41 | dondelelcaro | resiak: info grep; has more information... |
| 01:48.49 | zignig | FieldySnuts: that's whooparse. |
| 01:49.01 | guestish | !grep |
| 01:49.01 | dpkg | grep is probably at http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print |
| 01:49.19 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:49.46 | duncf | is udev supposed to mount to /dev? it seems to be mounted as /.dev |
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| 01:50.03 | wols_ | Empty: that way you won't get a shiny .deb at the end |
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| 01:50.44 | Guerin | kerpal23: http://feayn.org/~lewis/postfix/ has my main.cf, master.cf and sasl/smtpd.conf |
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| 01:51.14 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Show off. :) |
| 01:51.16 | format12356 | Welcome to the GNU Project |
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| 01:51.29 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: no, i'm just sick of miming :) |
| 01:51.30 | kerpal23 | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 01:51.48 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: I hear ya there. |
| 01:51.50 | kerpal23 | Guerin: sorry had you mimming for so long. |
| 01:51.54 | kerpal23 | I suck! |
| 01:51.56 | kerpal23 | :) |
| 01:52.17 | Guerin | note that those have had some sensitive data extracted |
| 01:52.23 | cafuego | Guerin: Is your courier using quotas? |
| 01:52.30 | kerpal23 | [_0_] |
| 01:52.31 | Guerin | cafuego: nope |
| 01:52.37 | Guerin | cafuego: I only have ~10 users |
| 01:52.46 | cafuego | Hmm. |
| 01:52.53 | mwilson | Hrm, whyinhell do I have libgtkhtml2-0 installed... |
| 01:52.59 | cafuego | me has no idea how many he has now |
| 01:53.06 | format12356 | yo |
| 01:53.12 | cafuego | 99 |
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| 01:53.16 | Guerin | and you can see from the amount of commenst how many tries it took me to get smtpd.conf working |
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| 01:53.52 | kerpal23 | Guerin: not to make fun of this guy, but his wording, conflicts his comments.... hmm |
| 01:54.04 | wols_ | Guerin: hehe, I remember that for my setup. not fun |
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| 01:54.18 | Guerin | kerpal23: ? |
| 01:54.23 | kerpal23 | Guerin: funnier then the west palm beach ballet. |
| 01:54.29 | format12356 | Simple Mail Transfer Protocol |
| 01:54.38 | cafuego | I cna plonk mine online too if that would be useful... |
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| 01:54.56 | kerpal23 | Guerin: http://feayn.org/~lewis/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf s/## below/ ##above/ |
| 01:55.15 | Guerin | kerpal23: hah, yeah, probably |
| 01:55.29 | Guerin | just easier to grep -v '^#' |
| 01:55.44 | Guerin | I got it working and then Didn't Fuck With It |
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| 01:56.16 | kerpal23 | and im forbidden to view master.cf (so chroot is in question) |
| 01:56.34 | Guerin | oh, I used cp -a so apache probably can't see it |
| 01:56.37 | Guerin | hang on |
| 01:57.21 | Guerin | ok, good to go |
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| 01:58.10 | cafuego | http://www.cafuego.net/postfix/ |
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| 02:00.14 | mwilson | <sigh> I should start using nail |
| 02:00.27 | guestish | nail? |
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| 02:00.40 | mwilson | Yeah |
| 02:00.58 | guestish | oh, mail reader? |
| 02:01.01 | mwilson | mutt is just so... not, when it comes to being a decent IMAP client. |
| 02:01.20 | wols_ | mwilson: use pine :P |
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| 02:01.29 | kerpal23 | Guerin: well atleast now its a permission denied gimmick.. |
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| 02:01.41 | mwilson | Why? The idea is to find something to use BETTER than mutt, not worse. |
| 02:01.42 | Guerin | kerpal23: not my config file? |
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| 02:02.13 | kerpal23 | I think its more or less the chroot like you said... and the socket i just 777 it (for temp) but still perm denied. |
| 02:02.36 | mwilson | All the GUI MUA's have printing pasted on as an afterthought, or act like it, or else they have a bajillion dependencies. |
| 02:02.39 | Guerin | kerpal23: oh, user "postfix" needs write access to the dir which contains the mux |
| 02:02.43 | kerpal23 | Guerin: so now that its going to the right location its not getting the access,.. |
| 02:02.58 | cafuego | Guerin: No, just to the mux itself. |
| 02:03.08 | kerpal23 | works :) |
| 02:03.17 | Guerin | ah, ok |
| 02:03.30 | kerpal23 | cafuego: it worked after the chmod to dir.. which i did after 777 to the dir. |
| 02:03.40 | mwilson | Thundercrap apparently can't even generate valid postscript. |
| 02:03.43 | kerpal23 | now, i have to tighten it down.... :( |
| 02:03.47 | Guerin | kerpal23: better to do g+w than chmod |
| 02:03.50 | kerpal23 | which im not sure how i will do. |
| 02:04.17 | kerpal23 | so i should make a sasl group and add root and postfix to it? |
| 02:04.19 | cafuego | kerpal23: The dir can be 711, as long as the mux itself is 777 (or 770 if you have groups set up OK) |
| 02:04.42 | zignig | ewww , try typing http// ( no colon into firefox ) it forwards to microsoft. |
| 02:04.45 | zignig | BLEH! |
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| 02:05.16 | cafuego | zignig: cPanel: There is no website configured at this address. |
| 02:05.18 | mwilson | evocrap can print, but you have to sit there and literally watch while it repaints the screen each time it updates. |
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| 02:06.16 | mwilson | Oh, wait... no, it can't print accurately either. |
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| 02:06.28 | kerpal23 | aight well i will see yah guys later, nothing like sitting in a coffee shop and fixing postfix.. :) |
| 02:06.48 | user01 | anyone have advice for places to start for a newbie who wants to learn about networking? |
| 02:06.54 | kerpal23 | Guerin:Cafuego you are wise, thank you. |
| 02:07.13 | zirikili | my system is hanging during boot with this message "Filesystem is NOT clean... Filesystem seems mounted readonly...Skiping journal reaplay...Checking internal tree finished" and then it stops... any help, please? |
| 02:07.51 | mwilson | zirikili: What filesystem? |
| 02:08.06 | zirikili | mwilson , reiserfs |
| 02:08.18 | mwilson | I figured as much. Have fun. |
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| 02:08.59 | zirikili | mwilson , what u mean? |
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| 02:09.13 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 02:09.13 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
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| 02:09.45 | babadi | hey, I'm using Debian testing with GNOME, and the volume control doesn't work... sound works, though... any ideas? |
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| 02:10.03 | dan2 | asg: ping |
| 02:10.27 | resiak | !tell babadi about sound |
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| 02:10.50 | rich_ | hi |
| 02:11.05 | dan2 | abrotman: do you know of a site that indexes linux compatible portable mp3 players |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | dan2: you mean plays MP3s and OGG? |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | dan2: linuxdevices.com ? |
| 02:11.44 | dan2 | yes yes |
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| 02:12.21 | dan2 | abrotman: not linux-based, but linux supported |
| 02:12.22 | abrotman | linuxdevices.com will show devices that actually run linux afaik |
| 02:12.27 | user01 | can you convert shn to flac? |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | dan2: none that i'm aware .. but i have seen a site that showed ogg compatible players if you're interested |
| 02:13.19 | Narg | anyone know how to get the intel 536EP drivers working for debian? |
| 02:13.30 | Narg | giving me an error about needing kernal source. Do I actually need? |
| 02:13.32 | dan2 | abrotman: thats interesting but, I am looking for something other than an ipod |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | dan2: ? |
| 02:13.39 | user01 | probably have to do a shn to wav to flac thing |
| 02:13.52 | abrotman | dan2: chances are .. they're just using flash storage |
| 02:13.53 | abrotman | http://wiki.xiph.org/VorbisHardware |
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| 02:14.23 | Qapf | zirikili lemme save you some time, your reiserfs partition has gone arway, if you are lucky, you can copy some data out, and then format it |
| 02:14.25 | lucas | hiyas, i'm trying to use d-i to install sarge with lvm on top of raid-1, i'm following a system of workarounds from debian-boot but i've hit a snag where some required extra packages for base system aren't on the netinst cd --- is there a way around this? |
| 02:14.30 | dan2 | abrotman: not on anything with storage larger than 1 gig |
| 02:14.31 | babadi | okay, also, I have a Samba share in fstab and GNOME is set to put an icon for it on the desktop... before, my Samba server went down and all my icons disappeared, not just the one for the share... any ideas what that's about |
| 02:14.34 | babadi | ? |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | dan2: ah .. you want HDD storage? |
| 02:15.05 | Guerin | creative muvo has 4g |
| 02:15.19 | Guerin | but it's supposed to be shit as well, and I dunno if it can play ogg |
| 02:15.27 | abrotman | karma has 20G and does a few things |
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| 02:16.22 | zirikili | Qapf , thank you... I am trying to run reiserfsck --rebuild-tree right now... but I dont know if it will work |
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| 02:16.54 | dan2 | abrotman: no... looks like the iriver music players can be hooked up to usb massstorage |
| 02:17.01 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 02:17.06 | abrotman | dan2: so that site was ok? |
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| 02:17.30 | Narg | nobody? :p |
| 02:17.35 | Guerin | !nobody |
| 02:17.36 | dpkg | from memory, nobody is there, or perfect |
| 02:18.09 | Narg | Meh, no help from the debian channel on a debian only issue *mutter* |
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| 02:18.24 | dan2 | abrotman: no, google helped more |
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| 02:18.44 | abrotman | Narg: what device is that? |
| 02:18.51 | Narg | modem |
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| 02:19.13 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 02:19.21 | abrotman | where did you get the driver? |
| 02:19.27 | Narg | intel site :p |
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| 02:19.39 | Narg | seems it works fine on everything cept debian |
| 02:19.41 | mousex | I'm having trouble setting up a video card on parisc. I've tried a MGA Millenium and a Voodoo3, but the workstation freezes when I start x and I get the error: HPMC ERR: OS BAD |
| 02:19.45 | Narg | gave me I need the kernal source error |
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| 02:19.49 | Guerin | oh, so it's clearly a "debian only issue" |
| 02:19.53 | abrotman | !parisc |
| 02:19.53 | dpkg | methinks parisc is http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | !pa-risc |
| 02:19.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pa-risc is http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | grr |
| 02:20.06 | mainiac | abrotman: hey, when I upgraded to sarge shouldn't I have gotten some module files in /lib/modules???? |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | mainiac: que pasa? |
| 02:20.31 | mainiac | no habla espaniol :) |
| 02:20.32 | wols_ | mainiac: only if you upgraded the kernel. |
| 02:20.43 | abrotman | mainiac: /lib/modules/ is for kernel modules |
| 02:20.49 | mousex | abrotman: parisc: HP architecture with a PA-RISC |
| 02:20.49 | wols_ | otherwise only the old ones will be there |
| 02:20.57 | mainiac | hmm, I think that's what I did |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | mousex: i'm well aware what it is |
| 02:21.12 | abrotman | mainiac: what are you really looking for? |
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| 02:21.17 | Narg | hrm... |
| 02:21.22 | abrotman | Narg: check apt-get.org .. maybe someone packaged them for you |
| 02:21.22 | mainiac | still trying to get sound working |
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| 02:21.39 | xio04 | are mx records needed for sending mail? i know there needed for receieving mail |
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| 02:22.21 | mainiac | modprobe es1371 says it can't find es1371, it should have been in the modules I think |
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| 02:22.32 | wols_ | xio04: every IP can send mail to any other IP, as the spam in my inbox demonstrates |
| 02:22.43 | FieldySnuts | administrator error |
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| 02:23.00 | Klebel | whats the command to see which driver my soundcard is using? |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | mainiac: uname -r |
| 02:23.11 | Narg | nerp, not on apt-get.org |
| 02:23.14 | jisao | Can anyone point me to a current explanation/documentation on how to configure sound for onboard Realtek chip? |
| 02:23.24 | abrotman | Narg: you may just need the kernel headers |
| 02:23.30 | abrotman | !tell jisao about sound |
| 02:23.43 | Narg | how would I get that? |
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| 02:23.54 | mousex | the parisc grahics-how-to says that matrox and voodoo2/3 might work with framebuffer. What's that? |
| 02:23.55 | abrotman | Narg: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 02:23.58 | wols_ | Narg: you need them. and you usually need to compile the kernel too (for modversion.h( |
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| 02:24.13 | dan2 | abrotman: iriver are just as expensive as an ipod |
| 02:24.19 | abrotman | mousex: you really should find some other pa-risc people .. not many have it |
| 02:24.35 | mousex | abrotman: if only phated or xiam were here . . . |
| 02:24.41 | abrotman | mousex: why? |
| 02:24.55 | mainiac | uname -r gives me 2.2.20-idepci |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | mousex: if you want frame buffer |
| 02:25.00 | mousex | abrotman: I think those are the guys who told me to buy any of those cards |
| 02:25.03 | abrotman | mainiac: didn't we get you a new kernel? |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | mousex: so use framebuffer |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | !framebuffer |
| 02:25.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. |
| 02:25.13 | mainiac | i thot so |
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| 02:25.15 | rich_ | I thought they were giving away ipods because they have drm, and they want people to use drm. Maybe that was ipaq's |
| 02:25.27 | dan2 | abrotman: the cost of an ipod is unjustifiable |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | mainiac: did you reinstall? |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | dan2: so is all apple hardware :) |
| 02:25.36 | mainiac | but it doesn't look like it. there was the initrd thing that never came up |
| 02:25.37 | cafuego | rich_: ipods happy use drm-free mp3s. |
| 02:25.43 | Guerin | ipods are just crapware for the morons |
| 02:25.57 | cafuego | happily |
| 02:26.01 | initech | i'd really just like a simple ~256MB player myself |
| 02:26.02 | mainiac | so maybe I didn't install, but it did change my system |
| 02:26.05 | mousex | abrotman: how do I set up X as framebuffer? Do I chose framebuf or something as the video card? |
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| 02:26.18 | abrotman | mousex: dunno .. framebuffer sucks :) |
| 02:26.22 | abrotman | !fb |
| 02:26.22 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies? |
| 02:26.23 | mainiac | dpkg reinstall |
| 02:26.23 | dpkg | well, reinstall is cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
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| 02:26.30 | Guerin | hah |
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| 02:26.34 | rich_ | cafuego I see. I think if you put their banner on your web page and three people do something, maybe buy one, you get one for free |
| 02:26.37 | bh | what's the easiest way of using maildir with exim ? |
| 02:26.37 | mousex | abrotman: :( |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | mousex: you could ask #xfree86 |
| 02:26.52 | Guerin | uuoc in the above |
| 02:26.52 | initech | mousex: afaik fb is mostly for non intel arches that don't have xfree drivers |
| 02:26.53 | mousex | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | mousex: they might know |
| 02:27.07 | mousex | initech: that's right, I'm using pa-risc |
| 02:27.08 | cafuego | rich_: WHy not try and get a free one then |
| 02:27.20 | initech | mousex: ok, so you probably need it :) |
| 02:27.26 | mousex | :) |
| 02:27.49 | mousex | I can't remember, is it / join to join another channel . . . |
| 02:27.52 | mousex | yup |
| 02:27.54 | Guerin | I just refuse to participate in internet pyramid marketing schemes |
| 02:27.56 | rich_ | cafuego because I don't have a web page, and even if I did I'd need to get people to go to it. I guess I could, but it sounds like a pyramid scheme |
| 02:28.00 | Guerin | it's just wrong |
| 02:28.17 | rich_ | Guerin Yes, I agree. |
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| 02:28.30 | kenboo | howto setup nfs-root for mips arch on x86 machine using debootstrap? |
| 02:28.31 | initech | Guerin: more oftan than not it just an information farm |
| 02:28.39 | mainiac | abrotman: what was I supposed to do with initrd and the 2.6.8.1-686-smp kernel? |
| 02:28.40 | Guerin | initech: yeah. |
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| 02:29.07 | cafuego | mainiac: try to sell it an iPod |
| 02:29.13 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:29.15 | PinkBunny | can someone dig in his /usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/encodings/ and tell me if they have iso8859-2.enc there (or maybe its some other dir in debian?) |
| 02:29.18 | Guerin | or better still |
| 02:29.27 | Guerin | give it che chance to win one free! |
| 02:29.32 | dondelelcaro | kenboo: debootstrap --arch mips yada yada yada |
| 02:29.39 | mainiac | I could use an iPod... at least I'd have sound :) |
| 02:29.45 | initech | Guerin: there's this site which is supposed to tell you your "ideal place to live", and goes through pages of personal questions abount damn near everything, that's sick. Who the fuck doesn't know where they want to live? |
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| 02:29.52 | timebomb_ | hi |
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| 02:29.59 | cafuego | Guerin: If you send me a free iPod, I'll then send a letter to 10 others, asking them tos end you a free iPod. |
| 02:29.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:30.09 | kenboo | dondelelcaro, i did it and i got chroot: cannot run command `mount': Exec format error |
| 02:30.09 | timebomb_ | how do i get a working dpkg config for debian_version 3.1? |
| 02:30.17 | initech | cafuego: bill gates is sending me an ipod |
| 02:30.22 | timebomb_ | any idea? |
| 02:30.24 | Guerin | cafuego: you send me a free ipod first and I'll consider it :) |
| 02:30.36 | kromagg | initech: I don't know, what's the address of the site? |
| 02:30.42 | Guerin | timebomb_: 1) install debain 3.1 2) have a beer |
| 02:30.42 | initech | timebomb_: huh? install debian? |
| 02:30.48 | cafuego | initech: You might not have known the Sumatran jungle is where your ideal living place is... |
| 02:30.50 | initech | kromagg: can't remember |
| 02:30.52 | timebomb_ | or |
| 02:31.01 | timebomb_ | im not planning to install debian |
| 02:31.09 | timebomb_ | i need some packages for debian 3.1 |
| 02:31.11 | initech | cafuego: i prefer swamps, thank you |
| 02:31.15 | Guerin | initech: yeah, that's crazy. "Give me all your personal information and we'll .. tell you something you already know." |
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| 02:31.22 | cafuego | timebomb_: They're not going to work on your debian 3.0 machine. |
| 02:31.29 | kromagg | initech: damn, and I was wondering if it could tell me to move to canada or nog |
| 02:31.30 | initech | Guerin: really, it was fuckin sick |
| 02:31.32 | timebomb_ | huh? |
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| 02:31.37 | kromagg | *not |
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| 02:31.44 | Guerin | timebomb_: 3.0 and 3.1 are not intercompatible |
| 02:31.47 | wols_ | there is a debian 3.1? |
| 02:31.50 | timebomb_ | i just need a handfull of old 3.1 packages |
| 02:31.54 | abrotman | mainiac: the directions tell you |
| 02:31.54 | cafuego | wols_: Sarge is 3.1 |
| 02:31.58 | timebomb_ | aha |
| 02:32.05 | timebomb_ | thats at least a usefull info |
| 02:32.06 | initech | timebomb_: google for "apt pinning" if you must |
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| 02:32.11 | wols_ | cafuego: yes, but sarge is not "official" yet, so why a version number? |
| 02:32.20 | cafuego | wols_: /etc/debian_version made me |
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| 02:32.45 | timebomb_ | im trying to fix something and theres no gcc on that system :) |
| 02:32.47 | timebomb_ | so go figure |
| 02:33.00 | Narg | wootah! It detected the modem. Off to see if it will work |
| 02:33.11 | cafuego | modem? whazzat? |
| 02:33.32 | timebomb_ | sarge is unstable? |
| 02:33.35 | Guerin | timebomb_: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 02:33.41 | Guerin | timebomb_: sarge is testing |
| 02:33.43 | cafuego | timebomb_: No, sarge is not unstable. |
| 02:34.01 | timebomb_ | Guerin: is no apt-get config files left in there |
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| 02:34.11 | timebomb_ | its some mega stripped down system |
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| 02:34.26 | timebomb_ | there is dpkg and apt but apt isnt really functional |
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| 02:34.31 | mainiac | abrotman: when the download/upgrade finally finished. it asked no questions. I rebooted and the system came up with Gnome as the windows session manager and a new look |
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| 02:34.43 | timebomb_ | so sarge == 3.1 == testing? |
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| 02:34.47 | cafuego | timebomb_: yes |
| 02:34.51 | timebomb_ | ok |
| 02:34.52 | timebomb_ | thx |
| 02:34.59 | MerlinCorey | timebomb_: but testing will not always == sarge |
| 02:35.00 | cafuego | timebomb_: For clarity, Sid == 3.1 == unstable |
| 02:35.05 | dondelelcaro | kenboo: ah, right. You're going to have to use the base.tar.gz tarball then... |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | mainiac: uhm .. ok ? |
| 02:35.16 | timebomb_ | ugh |
| 02:35.17 | Guerin | well, sid doesn't get a version number, strictly speaking |
| 02:35.21 | nile | hm, does prelinking actually improve performance? |
| 02:35.24 | Guerin | since it's never released |
| 02:35.28 | cafuego | Guerin: it's nevertheless in there. |
| 02:35.29 | initech | nile: yes |
| 02:35.34 | timebomb_ | thanks for confusing me |
| 02:35.35 | Guerin | cafuego: indeed. |
| 02:35.37 | obake | cafuego :) |
| 02:35.45 | Guerin | timebomb_: glad to be of service |
| 02:35.47 | nile | ah, neat =) |
| 02:35.55 | nile | initech, penetrode =D |
| 02:35.56 | gilles | what shall i use to play dvd/mp3... on gnome ? |
| 02:35.57 | kenboo | dondelelcaro, oh ic. thanks alot. |
| 02:35.58 | MerlinCorey | well, does a dist-upgrade change /etc/debian_version ? |
| 02:36.10 | obake | cafuego what's up? the ceiling? |
| 02:36.10 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: yes, it does. |
| 02:36.15 | initech | nile: there is no penetrode here! |
| 02:36.16 | samuel | sup all |
| 02:36.25 | Guerin | samuel: ask obake |
| 02:36.35 | gilles | i can't install mplayer |
| 02:36.37 | wols_ | timebomb_: testing and sarge are not really released yet, they are development versions of sorts. that's why currently both have the same version number |
| 02:36.40 | gilles | i can't find mplayer |
| 02:36.50 | MerlinCorey | !tell gilles about mplayer |
| 02:36.51 | wols_ | !tell gilles about mplayer |
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| 02:36.55 | MerlinCorey | !tell gilles about marrilat |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | !tell gilles about marrilat |
| 02:37.09 | MerlinCorey | yeah |
| 02:37.11 | MerlinCorey | that's the one |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | !tell gilles about marillat |
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| 02:37.18 | abrotman | it's actually that one |
| 02:37.28 | mainiac | abrotman: when the download/upgrade finally finished. it asked no questions. I rebooted and the system came up with Gnome as the windows session manager and a new look |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | mainiac: so what's the problem? |
| 02:37.59 | gilles | ok, thanks! |
| 02:38.01 | mainiac | abrotman: sorry for the repeat, basically, the sound doesn't work |
| 02:38.01 | wols_ | MerlinCorey: it does. I installed woody and then dist-upgraded to sarge. now I have "3.1" in debian_version |
| 02:38.10 | abrotman | mainiac: apt-cache search kernel-image ... |
| 02:38.13 | mousex | How do I teach dpkg the meaning of a word? . . . |
| 02:38.14 | abrotman | mainiac: pick the one you need |
| 02:38.19 | MerlinCorey | then in that case, SID is indeed 3.1 as well :) |
| 02:38.20 | nile | debian is pretty :) |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | mainiac: install it .. remember the stuff about initrd? |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | mainiac: then .. reboot |
| 02:38.30 | Guerin | What is SID? |
| 02:38.33 | abrotman | then .. modconf .. install es1371 |
| 02:38.38 | Guerin | Unix is case-sesitive, you know |
| 02:38.41 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: ok, sid |
| 02:38.54 | mousex | :) |
| 02:38.57 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: well, it's because I got that retronymn stuck in my head of Still In Development |
| 02:38.58 | mainiac | abrotman: I don't remember the stuff about initrd |
| 02:38.59 | wols_ | mainiac: and make sure you run kernel 2.4 |
| 02:39.06 | abrotman | mainiac: when you install it .. it will tell you |
| 02:39.08 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: so I always see it as an acronym in my head |
| 02:39.09 | MerlinCorey | :/ |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | wols_: no .. why? |
| 02:39.31 | gilles | it's stange that xine and xmms don't work on my system |
| 02:39.37 | wols_ | abrotman: cause older kernels often lack newer drivers for certain soundcards |
| 02:39.40 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: it's called a backronym. A retronymn sounds like Dee-Lite singing christmas songs or something |
| 02:39.46 | mousex | gilles: how come? |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | wols_: so .. read what i said .. it's es1371 .. which is in 2.4 and 2.6 .. so shut up |
| 02:39.56 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: it's called a retronymn |
| 02:40.04 | gilles | mousex: it's doesn't even read mp3 for example |
| 02:40.07 | Guerin | !dict backronym |
| 02:40.09 | dpkg | could not find definition for backronym |
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| 02:40.20 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: find me a reference to that word anywhere |
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| 02:40.30 | mousex | gilles: does it give you any error messages, or do you just not hear any sounds? |
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| 02:40.33 | Guerin | !backronym |
| 02:40.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backronym is [from the Jargon file] backronym n. [portmanteau of back + acronym] A word interpreted as an acronym that was not originally so intended. This is a special case of what linguists call `back formation'. Examples are given under {BASIC}, {recursive acronym} (Cygnus), {Acme}, and {mung}. Discovering backronyms is a common form of wordplay among hackers. Compare {retcon}. |
| 02:40.34 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: actually, you're correct |
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| 02:40.36 | wols_ | abrotman: and mainiac earlier told us his "uname -r" output was 2.2.20-idepci or somesuch. so please shut up yourself |
| 02:40.37 | abrotman | Narg: don't do that |
| 02:40.39 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: it's a "retronym" |
| 02:40.43 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=retronym |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | wols_: so read what the fuck i told him to do dumbass |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | wols_: actually follow along |
| 02:41.01 | abrotman | wols_: and shove it up your ass |
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| 02:41.09 | wols_ | abrotman: it would be very kind if you stopped calling people names. thank you |
| 02:41.14 | abrotman | wols_: i don't care .. |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | dumbass |
| 02:41.26 | mousex | grilles: is your sound system working? |
| 02:41.51 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: actually, that's something different |
| 02:41.57 | gilles | mousex: i just don't hear any sound |
| 02:41.58 | mousex | !teach abrotman about modals . . . |
| 02:42.10 | wols_ | mousex: I guess that's a lost case there... |
| 02:42.11 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: blame wikipedia for putting it in my head |
| 02:42.12 | gilles | mousex: but it works with mpg123 |
| 02:42.13 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: a backronym is an acronym which is back-formed; a retronym is applying a new name to something old |
| 02:42.13 | abrotman | mousex: !tell ? |
| 02:42.37 | rich_ | wols_ Yea, sorry about that, but ask yourself this, what's more important, warm fuzzies information that helps you get your computer to work? |
| 02:42.43 | Klebel | do i have to install anything for alsa sound drivers? |
| 02:42.45 | mousex | gilles: are you running esound (esd), gnome, kde ??? |
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| 02:42.47 | rich_ | or |
| 02:42.49 | Klebel | any extra packages? |
| 02:42.52 | Guerin | Klebel: depends |
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| 02:43.02 | mousex | abrotman: !tell was my bacronym :) |
| 02:43.03 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: well, that's what I'm doing... it's already #name'd sid, as in Sid, the toy destroyer, but I've renamed it to an acronym.......... |
| 02:43.06 | astronut | Anyone know of a program that can read MS publisher files? |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | mousex: uhm .. ok |
| 02:43.11 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 02:43.13 | mousex | abrotman: just making stuff up here . . . |
| 02:43.17 | gilles | mousex: esd, gnome |
| 02:43.17 | abrotman | astronut: koffice maybe? |
| 02:43.18 | mousex | :) |
| 02:43.18 | wols_ | rich_: insulting people helps gets PCs working? that's a new one, but I will try it out ASAP |
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| 02:43.34 | mousex | gilles: I think you have to configure xmms to use the esd plug in. |
| 02:43.45 | abrotman | astronut: but i wouldn't bet on it |
| 02:43.46 | gilles | mousex: how? |
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| 02:43.52 | astronut | abrotman: ya... |
| 02:43.55 | abrotman | wols_: i was helping .. you were confusing him |
| 02:43.57 | astronut | OOo doesn't |
| 02:44.08 | mousex | gilles: should be somewhere in the options . . . configuration . . . sound devices . . . |
| 02:44.14 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: that's a backronym. You've acronymised it, even though it wasn't before. A retronym is if you called it "Sid Unstable", because another sid had come out which was not unstable, and you had to distinguish between them. |
| 02:44.20 | mousex | gilles: (I'm not in linux right now) |
| 02:44.26 | abrotman | wols_: there was no reason to tell him to run a 2.4 kernel .. of course his 2.2.20idepci won't work .. |
| 02:44.42 | mousex | gilles: man xmms |
| 02:44.46 | rich_ | wols_ its your choice. Many people in the world choose to consider irc useless. Every time Ive mentioned irc in public, people look at me funny. So if you cant get use out of it, don't feel bad, because you are not alone |
| 02:44.50 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: yes, I know - I read the definition too, but I'm going to drown with this one :P |
| 02:44.51 | jbr | MerlinCorey: (like quill pens and acoustic guitars) |
| 02:45.00 | abrotman | but .. you don't know if he's sarge or woody .. last time i worked with mainiac .. he was on sarge .. which was why i suggested a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:45.12 | Guerin | wols_: being a twat and arguing the toss with people who actually do kknow wtf they're talking about is really not helping. |
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| 02:45.29 | abrotman | Guerin: but he's got ethics or morals .. or some dumb shit :) |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | or .. eep .. manners |
| 02:45.43 | timebomb_ | ok |
| 02:45.46 | timebomb_ | that seems to work |
| 02:45.47 | timebomb_ | thanks |
| 02:45.51 | Guerin | abrotman: I've got ethica and morals too - I just try not to let them get in my way :) |
| 02:45.52 | MerlinCorey | !holding hands |
| 02:45.56 | wols_ | abrotman: it's called socialisation. ethics don't have anything to do with it. dumbass |
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| 02:46.01 | MerlinCorey | wols_: we don't hold hands around here |
| 02:46.05 | MerlinCorey | wols_: it's very brusque |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | wols_: see .. now you call people names |
| 02:46.08 | MerlinCorey | wols_: harsh, even |
| 02:46.10 | Guerin | !irritate wols_ |
| 02:46.10 | dpkg | wols_: HELP ME!!! who uses kde ???/ |
| 02:46.17 | MerlinCorey | wols_: so you deal with it, or you go to ubuntu |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | wols_: have you considered .. i don't care that you think i'm a bad person? |
| 02:46.19 | mousex | gilles: press ctrl + p while running xmms |
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| 02:46.40 | samuel | how can i configure what services start or not in a system? |
| 02:46.41 | abrotman | wols_: i socialize quite well .. i just don't like stupid people .... |
| 02:46.50 | abrotman | samuel: update-rc.d |
| 02:47.00 | MerlinCorey | wols_: this channel is all about moronocide |
| 02:47.07 | Guerin | samuel: sysvconfig ; sysv-rc-conf ; update-rc.d ; rcconf |
| 02:47.12 | astronut | any other suggestions for reading MS publisher files? |
| 02:47.13 | abrotman | quick .. someone make a useless factoid :) |
| 02:47.14 | MerlinCorey | wols_: I think abrotman campaigned for national moronocide this fall |
| 02:47.18 | Guerin | astronut: don't |
| 02:47.26 | astronut | Guerin: ? |
| 02:47.32 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: i tried to get the moron out of office :) |
| 02:47.33 | rich_ | wols_ You know, If you look at it from an information technology standpoint, his message contained protocals that your ideologically opposed to, and so your message is that his message is bad. One supplies usefull information, one doesn't. |
| 02:47.36 | wols_ | MerlinCorey: and bush beat him? |
| 02:47.38 | gilles | mousex: you're great, thanks! |
| 02:47.49 | Guerin | astronut: that's my suggestion. Don't read MS Publisher files. |
| 02:47.55 | mousex | gilles: sure. check www.xmms.org for more FAQs |
| 02:48.00 | astronut | Guerin: well, i have a specific thing i want to read |
| 02:48.08 | samuel | abrotman, Guerin thanks |
| 02:48.12 | Guerin | astronut: where'd you get it? |
| 02:48.16 | MerlinCorey | astronut: I think Star Office can |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: he said no already .. dunno |
| 02:48.28 | astronut | Guerin: something for youth group...... |
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| 02:48.49 | Guerin | astronut: contact the author and politely request that they make it available in a sane format. |
| 02:48.55 | gilles | mousex: it works :D |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | astronut: but .. scribus and inkscape are fun :) |
| 02:49.01 | astronut | Guerin: it was made in publisher |
| 02:49.01 | mousex | gilles: BTW, xine should also have a esd plug in . . . you just have to find it. :) |
| 02:49.03 | astronut | scribus and what? |
| 02:49.15 | abrotman | inkscape |
| 02:49.23 | abrotman | !info inkscape |
| 02:49.26 | dpkg | inkscape: (Vector based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.39+0.40pre2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4274 kB, Installed size: 14336 kB |
| 02:49.30 | abrotman | it's more of an SVG editor |
| 02:49.33 | astronut | vector drawing? |
| 02:49.39 | astronut | !info scribus |
| 02:49.41 | MerlinCorey | astronut: see if you can get them to export it to another format for you? |
| 02:49.44 | astronut | what does that have to do w/ publsiher |
| 02:49.44 | dpkg | scribus: (a free software desktop page layout program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.2.0.final+cvs20041026-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4626 kB, Installed size: 16168 kB |
| 02:49.53 | mousex | !info totem |
| 02:49.56 | astronut | MerlinCorey: i'll try if i can't get anything else |
| 02:49.58 | dpkg | totem: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop (dummy package)), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.99.16-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 02:50.08 | mousex | !info totem-xine |
| 02:50.14 | Guerin | !/msg |
| 02:50.15 | dpkg | methinks /msg is something you type into your IRC client to send a private message, usually to me, dpkg, a bot. /msg dpkg foo gives the same results as !tell me about foo. |
| 02:50.17 | dpkg | totem-xine: (A simple media player for the Gnome desktop based on xine), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.99.16-2 (sid), Packaged size: 698 kB, Installed size: 3060 kB |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | astronut: you can use it like publisher if you try real hard :) |
| 02:50.24 | astronut | what's the command for koffice? |
| 02:50.32 | astronut | apparently not "koffice" |
| 02:50.39 | abrotman | !info koffice |
| 02:50.42 | dpkg | koffice: (KDE Office Suite), section kde, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 02:50.45 | Guerin | !tell astronut about search |
| 02:50.45 | DF| | So does anyone elses aMSN freeze when it logs in? (using Sarge) |
| 02:50.46 | abrotman | !info kpresent |
| 02:50.49 | sussudio | astronut: kofficesovietrussiamushroomsnakellama? |
| 02:50.58 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 02:50.59 | astronut | i got the package installed |
| 02:51.11 | MerlinCorey | astronut: update-menu? |
| 02:51.15 | mousex | !tell abrotman about !info |
| 02:51.21 | mousex | !tell abrotman about bot abuse |
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| 02:51.27 | abrotman | !tell mousex about stfu |
| 02:51.31 | MerlinCorey | !shoot mousex |
| 02:51.35 | MerlinCorey | !win abrotman |
| 02:51.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:51.38 | helix | everyone stop it |
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| 02:51.58 | zignig | helix: hola |
| 02:52.01 | mousex | HA HA HA HA!!! :) |
| 02:52.12 | Cliekid | Hey, erm - I installed Debian Sarge..and now I've hit 2 problems: Desktop resolution and Audio. |
| 02:52.13 | omar | !blow me |
| 02:52.15 | MerlinCorey | lol @ Guerin |
| 02:52.15 | helix | zignig: hey :) |
| 02:52.16 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 02:52.17 | omar | w00t |
| 02:52.25 | omar | 0wned |
| 02:52.31 | Cliekid | Audio - It doesn't have the device started, and it says no mixer can be found. |
| 02:52.32 | MerlinCorey | !tell Cliekid about sound |
| 02:52.47 | Cliekid | Thanks. =P |
| 02:52.50 | mousex | Cliekid: did you install the kernel modules for your audio card? |
| 02:53.00 | omar | !blow #debian |
| 02:53.02 | mainiac | abrotman: ok, do you think I have initrd setup because there is an image=/vmlinuz line? |
| 02:53.07 | omar | sweet |
| 02:53.08 | helix | omar: stop |
| 02:53.09 | Cliekid | Not yet. =P |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | mainiac: you sohuld have that |
| 02:53.41 | mousex | maniac: you should, but also check /boot for an initrd.img link |
| 02:53.46 | abrotman | no |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | GRRRRR |
| 02:54.02 | mainiac | I know when I had red hat I would have multiple kernels to select at boot, but I have never seen the option with debian |
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| 02:54.03 | abrotman | there will be no link in /boot |
| 02:54.06 | abrotman | the link is to /boot |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | it's a link from / to /boot/ |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: kill them all! |
| 02:54.27 | mousex | abrotman, oh, right . . . |
| 02:54.58 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: not till my pizza gets here |
| 02:55.13 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: what if the pizza never shows up? |
| 02:55.16 | mainiac | mousex: I have not initrd.img link in /boot |
| 02:55.26 | Guerin | mainiac: no shit |
| 02:55.30 | abrotman | mainiac: you won't |
| 02:55.33 | mousex | Cliekid: for the desktop resolution . . . kde can do this from the control center. Gnome . . . I think you have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for this if you're running something other than kde |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | mainiac: ls -l /initrd.img |
| 02:55.40 | abrotman | mainiac: is it there? |
| 02:55.45 | Cliekid | Hmm, alright. |
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| 02:56.02 | rich_ | We got a pizza last night, and they discontinued the spinach alfredo, chicken and tomato :| |
| 02:56.07 | Cliekid | But as for sound - how do I know what module to select? lspci tells me the device, I know what it is. I need the module name though. =P |
| 02:56.08 | mainiac | abrotman: No |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | rich_: thank god :) |
| 02:56.18 | Guerin | pasta on pizza is just wrong |
| 02:56.20 | abrotman | mainiac: well .. did you install a new kernel yet? |
| 02:56.22 | Guerin | only americans would do that |
| 02:56.32 | abrotman | Guerin: he didn't say anything about pasta |
| 02:56.33 | rich_ | It didnt have pasta on it, just the sauce |
| 02:56.35 | MerlinCorey | alright |
| 02:56.39 | Guerin | and yes, I know it's only the sauce |
| 02:56.41 | MerlinCorey | pizza here |
| 02:56.43 | mousex | Guerin: are you canadian, or something? |
| 02:56.46 | Guerin | but the principle holds |
| 02:56.51 | abrotman | Guerin: have an IE around anywhere? |
| 02:56.53 | Guerin | mousex: no |
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| 02:57.07 | Guerin | abrotman: no, MS-free for 15 months |
| 02:57.08 | astronut | ok, scribus didn't read publisher |
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| 02:57.16 | nile | go Guerin =) |
| 02:57.24 | mainiac | abrotman: I'm in the process of doing that and it asks You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.6.8-1-686-smp) |
| 02:57.24 | lunaphyte | how can i keep dhclient from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 02:57.27 | mainiac | This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use |
| 02:57.27 | abrotman | Guerin: well.. try it anyways .. http://peacepizza.com/ |
| 02:57.29 | rich_ | We were going to get half spinach alfredo, chicken and tomato and half, 'the works'. But we ended up getting it all 'the works' |
| 02:57.31 | mousex | Guerin: wow! I'de beat that record if I could x to work on pa-risc . . . |
| 02:57.31 | wols_ | Cliekid: depends on the device name. why not tell use the name/chip of your soundcard and we can tell you what module to use or where to look for it |
| 02:57.33 | Guerin | lunaphyte: chmod -w |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | Guerin: near my office |
| 02:57.41 | Tabitha | Only an American would automatically think not-American == Canadian :D |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | mainiac: let it finish .. but DO NOT REBOOT! |
| 02:57.55 | Cliekid | wols_: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 02:57.55 | Cliekid | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.55 | Cliekid | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.55 | Cliekid | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.55 | Cliekid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:57.57 | astronut | you mean there are other countries besides the US and canada?!?!? |
| 02:57.58 | mainiac | ok |
| 02:58.02 | mousex | mainiac: continue, but DO NOT reboot |
| 02:58.06 | Guerin | half and half pizza is a bastardisation as well |
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| 02:58.12 | Tabitha | astronut: Puerto Rico. |
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| 02:58.17 | astronut | Tabitha: that's a colony |
| 02:58.19 | astronut | not a country |
| 02:58.26 | abrotman | it's a country |
| 02:58.26 | Tabitha | To an American, it's a country. ;) |
| 02:58.27 | astronut | err |
| 02:58.28 | scool | hello |
| 02:58.32 | astronut | s/colony/territory |
| 02:58.32 | mousex | Cliekid: run modconf (as root) and look for the via audio driver under "sound" |
| 02:58.35 | astronut | it's not a soverign nation |
| 02:58.39 | wols_ | you want OSS or ALSA? |
| 02:58.44 | abrotman | it's not part of ours |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | technically |
| 02:58.48 | Tabitha | the rest of the world knows that... Americans don't ;) |
| 02:58.49 | astronut | hard to tell if a module is in or not arleady |
| 02:58.59 | lunaphyte | guerin: i thought there might be a more graceful method. :) |
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| 02:59.04 | rich_ | The spinach one is kind of thin, so I recomended the other half because we had company, and I wanted it to be enough to go around |
| 02:59.12 | Guerin | aaaarg, my eyes! the flaassh! it burrns!! |
| 02:59.17 | zignig | astronut: soverign nations don't really matter any more; do they ? |
| 02:59.22 | astronut | probably not |
| 02:59.23 | Tabitha | They've also heard of this place called Iraq where all the terrorists live and plan up ways to eat our babies and sabotage our SUVs. |
| 02:59.36 | initech | Guerin: what is half and half pizza? |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | Tabitha: that's a .us territory too :) |
| 02:59.37 | astronut | Tabitha: but that's going to be the 51st state i thought? |
| 02:59.40 | gilles | is there an automatic command for mounting my cdrom ? |
| 02:59.46 | gilles | like dpkg... |
| 02:59.49 | Guerin | initech: pizza with foo on one half anf bar on the other |
| 02:59.49 | abrotman | Guerin: we get pizza from there for lunch |
| 02:59.52 | mousex | mainiac: when you're done, run (as root) cp /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf.BACKUP |
| 02:59.53 | astronut | gilles: put it in fstba |
| 02:59.57 | astronut | then just mount /cdrom |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | Guerin: crazy stuff like BBQ Chicken pizza |
| 03:00.11 | astronut | blegh |
| 03:00.20 | Guerin | abrotman: that is some crazy craziness |
| 03:00.20 | astronut | i did it for the pppoe drivers |
| 03:00.25 | mousex | mainiac: then, editor /etc/lilo.conf and look for the line that says image=/vmlinuz, and underneath, add initrd=/initrd.img |
| 03:00.31 | astronut | but my other box...woody floppy disk images |
| 03:00.33 | rich_ | don't worry about it, us claims everyplace, it's just a lot of hot air. |
| 03:00.35 | abrotman | Guerin: we like it .. except it's really slow |
| 03:00.55 | Guerin | http://hell.co.nz is my old local |
| 03:00.56 | Tabitha | gmail invite come to me. |
| 03:00.59 | fatt | hi, i'm just wondering, how do you find the server name for apache2 in debian? :o |
| 03:01.05 | Guerin | they've apparently torned to shit now though |
| 03:01.16 | initech | abrotman: yeah that's gross. i do like pizza with seafood on it though |
| 03:01.27 | mousex | fatt: hostname? |
| 03:01.30 | abrotman | initech: it's actually .. very very good when done right |
| 03:01.33 | Guerin | i just like traditional style pizza |
| 03:01.42 | abrotman | initech: certainly better than muffaletta |
| 03:01.44 | jbr | here in Scotland they take pizza and deepfry it in batter for extra heart disease |
| 03:01.48 | fatt | mousex: well, i tried the ip of the box, but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 03:01.49 | wols_ | speaking of netinst isos: does anyone know one with a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 03:01.54 | Cliekid | Ahh. |
| 03:01.57 | helix | jbr: heh |
| 03:01.58 | Guerin | pomodoro sauce, herbs, garlic, mushrooms, onions, pepperoni, a little cheese |
| 03:01.59 | Cliekid | Ok I'm back |
| 03:02.00 | initech | abrotman: muffelatta's are yummy |
| 03:02.02 | sussudio | samurai pizza caaats |
| 03:02.04 | abrotman | !tell wols_ about d-i |
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| 03:02.11 | Cliekid | I actually went into the Gentoo channel =P (Silly me.) |
| 03:02.12 | mousex | fatt: so you have apache running, right? |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | initech: i don't really like olives |
| 03:02.16 | fatt | yep |
| 03:02.18 | grendal_prime | ok...this i find werid |
| 03:02.18 | fatt | apache2 |
| 03:02.18 | abrotman | wols_: there is a 2.6 on there |
| 03:02.28 | grendal_prime | video 4 linux?? |
| 03:02.30 | mousex | fatt: did you try to access it from the box, or outside of it? |
| 03:02.34 | grendal_prime | what pkg has that in it? |
| 03:02.39 | Cliekid | wols_: did you get my info about my sound card? |
| 03:02.46 | abrotman | Cliekid: don't paste here |
| 03:02.47 | fatt | yep |
| 03:02.48 | rich_ | when I was a kid, me and my mates, were a little drunk and hanging out and one of them grapped the handle of the door to the pizza place and yanked on it, and it popped open. So wedrank beer and made pizzas all night. And we made a pizza with lettuce and dill pickles on it, and it was very good. |
| 03:02.49 | sussudio | !tell Cliekid about flood |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | Cliekid: read the topic |
| 03:02.52 | fatt | so that's the host name? |
| 03:02.54 | mousex | Cliekid: run modconf (as root) and look for the via audio driver under "sound" |
| 03:02.54 | gilles | what line shall i add in fstab to mount my cdrom ? (an example) |
| 03:02.56 | initech | abrotman: how can you not like olives? that's just crazy |
| 03:03.09 | abrotman | initech: i like olive oil .. just not straight olives |
| 03:03.15 | abrotman | initech: same thing with tomatoes |
| 03:03.20 | Cliekid | mousex: modconf isn't a recognized command? |
| 03:03.21 | MerlinCorey | rich_: my friend's worked at a pizza place, and before closing, they'd make a special pizza with some special mushrooms on it |
| 03:03.22 | abrotman | grr |
| 03:03.22 | MerlinCorey | mmmm |
| 03:03.31 | rich_ | mmmm |
| 03:03.37 | Guerin | abrotman: I bet you don't like mushrooms or anchovies either |
| 03:03.40 | wols_ | Cliekid: yes, and someone else told you about modconf (which will install the OSS driver) for your via soundcard |
| 03:03.41 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: our little sleazers used to put pot and lsd on pizza |
| 03:03.45 | grendal_prime | thats stupid |
| 03:03.46 | abrotman | Guerin: damn right |
| 03:03.49 | mousex | fatt: your hostname and server name are different. You need DNS |
| 03:03.52 | initech | tomatoes? how can you not like that? |
| 03:03.58 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: if they just threw the pot on top, they're dumbasses |
| 03:03.58 | Guerin | abrotman: godddamn, do you like anything other than cheesesteaks? |
| 03:03.59 | helix | my sister says she doesn't like onions because they make her teeth itch |
| 03:04.01 | grendal_prime | you have to eat a whole damn pizza to trip?? |
| 03:04.01 | mousex | Cliekid: apt-get install base-utils |
| 03:04.02 | abrotman | initech: don't like whole tomatos |
| 03:04.05 | Cliekid | Ah |
| 03:04.07 | grendal_prime | what a bunch of morons |
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| 03:04.15 | abrotman | Guerin: grilled cheese with grape jelly on top |
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| 03:04.22 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: they were stoned? :) |
| 03:04.24 | Guerin | abrotman: eeew |
| 03:04.24 | mousex | Cliekid: did you run it as super user (root)? |
| 03:04.29 | fatt | oh, hmmmm, is there a way to find out inside the lan? |
| 03:04.34 | abrotman | Guerin: i actually am quite fond of liver too :) |
| 03:04.34 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: they were also idiots |
| 03:04.35 | initech | abrotman has lost all credibility ;) |
| 03:04.41 | abrotman | initech: why? |
| 03:04.48 | Cliekid | mousex: apt-get install base-utils says it cant find the package..lol.. |
| 03:04.50 | initech | cheese with grape jelly? |
| 03:04.53 | abrotman | initech: i eat all tomato based things .. just not tomatos |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | initech: oh .. that |
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| 03:05.04 | rich_ | Mushrooms are bad for your stomach, and kidneys. I know, people who use them don't care but when you get old, those things matter |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | initech: blame mamma brotman |
| 03:05.14 | MobyTurbo | grendal_prime: "video4linux" is TV tuner card support. |
| 03:05.15 | abrotman | initech: really .. quite good .. but odd :) |
| 03:05.19 | Guerin | rich_: any substantiation of this? |
| 03:05.23 | mousex | fatt: if you want a name (not an IP), then you need to configure some DNS server to host your name. Check out www.dyndns.org |
| 03:05.25 | MerlinCorey | rich_: cite sources |
| 03:05.28 | initech | rich_: i've never heard of that |
| 03:05.31 | Guerin | rich_: I've never heard such things. |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: he doesn't have to .. this is IRC :) |
| 03:05.53 | wols_ | rich_: pretty much every drug is really bad for your kidneys (except LSD, that's only bad for your brain) |
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| 03:05.53 | initech | rich_: dairy's technically bad for your stomach as well |
| 03:05.54 | mousex | fatt: you can also try it using the IP address of the computer (as it is known by the LAN). |
| 03:06.00 | fatt | oh ok, coz i'm trying to use ssl to run |
| 03:06.02 | rich_ | MerlinCorey You heard it on irc. No "sources" could change that. |
| 03:06.08 | MerlinCorey | wols_: LSD is not bad for your brain |
| 03:06.17 | fatt | but by looking at hte log, the cert isn't working, it said 27.0.0.1' does NOT match server name!? |
| 03:06.22 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: you mean you were alwways this stupid? |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | Guerin: run! |
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| 03:06.33 | Guerin | :) |
| 03:06.37 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: I've not done a terrible amount of acid, so I guess so :) |
| 03:06.41 | mousex | fatt: check /etc/hosts or /etc/hostname |
| 03:06.42 | MobyTurbo | MerlinCorey: you've never seen someone having a flashback? Imagine one of those while you're driving a car. |
| 03:06.54 | MerlinCorey | MobyTurbo: I have flashbacks all the time |
| 03:07.01 | initech | MerlinCorey: well everyone i know who did "a terrible amount of acid" is fried |
| 03:07.01 | grendal_prime | MobyTurbo, ya...but isnt there a package that has it in it? |
| 03:07.01 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:07.14 | MerlinCorey | abrotman has probably done more acid than I have |
| 03:07.19 | *** part/#debian Cliekid (~cliekid@ool-43544d4b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:07.22 | mainiac | mousex: ok, install complete, initrd=/initrd.img added to /etc/lilo.conf... what's next? |
| 03:07.27 | Guerin | i know people who've taken it three times and never quite snapped out |
| 03:07.29 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: maybe 5 times .. and the mescaline(that stuff is awesome) |
| 03:07.37 | grendal_prime | i cant do elicit drugs..they take away my pilots liscence |
| 03:07.44 | initech | lsd is a once every few years kind of thing to me |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | grendal_prime: who needs a license to fly? :) |
| 03:07.51 | mousex | Cliekid: you can check on /lib/modules/kernel-xxx/ for the sound module, and once you find the name, do modprobe driver_name. You are looking for something like via82cxx |
| 03:08.04 | MobyTurbo | grendal_prime: it's part of the kernel. |
| 03:08.05 | peterS | initech: has it worked out for you as well as it has for syd barrett? |
| 03:08.08 | grendal_prime | abrotman, well cesnas...anyone.. |
| 03:08.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:08.13 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: i enjoyed it too much .. i'm glad i was in a small town that didn't get it often |
| 03:08.14 | mousex | mainiac: check that the link exists now (in /) |
| 03:08.16 | initech | peterS: i guess so |
| 03:08.24 | grendal_prime | who wants to fly a plane with a cdplayer and a heater in it |
| 03:08.28 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: the mescaline or the acid? |
| 03:08.34 | abrotman | MerlinCorey: both :) |
| 03:08.35 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: I've only dosed acid twice |
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| 03:08.48 | mousex | mainiac: ls -l / |
| 03:08.49 | MobyTurbo | grendal_prime: of course, you need a tv viewer or a PVR program for it, but that's not "video4linux", which is the kernel interface. |
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| 03:08.57 | abrotman | and how did i get implicated as the doser? |
| 03:08.58 | Guerin | initech: what, you're a legend in your own lifetime, and yet you lived on the london underground for years while turning up at the record label offices to pick up a royalty cheque every month? |
| 03:08.59 | grendal_prime | MobyTurbo, hmmm..well this is interesting then cause these apps...keeplooking for /dev/video0 |
| 03:09.14 | MobyTurbo | grendal_prime: yes, a driver. |
| 03:09.19 | mousex | mainiac: if it's there, then run: lilo and then you can reboot and cross your fingers . . . |
| 03:09.20 | grendal_prime | k |
| 03:09.21 | abrotman | who wants to hear a long story about an electric fence? :) |
| 03:09.27 | grendal_prime | xawtv work ok? |
| 03:09.31 | rich_ | Drugs are for young people. After a certain age you start to pay with your health more than they are worth. So I never use acid or mushrooms or speed or cocaine or anything I'd have to slam, and its been several years since I even smoked O |
| 03:09.32 | Guerin | abrotman: does it involve urination? |
| 03:09.33 | MerlinCorey | I have lots of long stories |
| 03:09.33 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 03:09.36 | abrotman | Guerin: no |
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| 03:09.39 | mousex | abrotman: not me |
| 03:09.41 | Cliekid | Hmm..I did the reconfiguration for X to include 1152x864 (Or whatever it is)...and I logged out of X. I log back in, but it stays on 800x600, and 1152x864 still isnt an option :-( |
| 03:09.44 | Guerin | abrotman: ok, proceed. |
| 03:09.54 | abrotman | Guerin: can we get a +q on 721 people? :) |
| 03:09.58 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:09.59 | mainiac | mousex: Yes! it's there and points to the correct version, I"ll try lilo |
| 03:10.12 | Tabitha | +q? |
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| 03:10.29 | mainiac | ok, ready to reboot... :) |
| 03:10.36 | Guerin | !qotd37 |
| 03:10.36 | dpkg | well, qotd37 is -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 03:10.38 | MobyTurbo | MerlinCorey: halfa? |
| 03:10.41 | Guerin | gah |
| 03:10.43 | wols_ | Tabitha: makes people in a channel quiet |
| 03:10.46 | mousex | Cliekid: does your video card (and monitor) support that resolution? did you chose that resolution as an option as well? |
| 03:10.48 | Guerin | !qotd29 |
| 03:10.48 | dpkg | < ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
| 03:10.48 | Cliekid | Could someone give me a sources.list file that will work? kernel.org doesn't seem to have many packages. =P |
| 03:10.54 | Cliekid | mousex: Yes, it does. |
| 03:10.55 | grendal_prime | i just want to run my webcam with something other than gnomemeeting |
| 03:10.56 | Narg | anyone here use Firefox? |
| 03:11.00 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 03:11.00 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:11.02 | MerlinCorey | MobyTurbo: missed a space |
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| 03:11.04 | anihilator | wooo fixed sound, hopefully no more questions of that nature lol |
| 03:11.05 | grendal_prime | trying to not install all the gnome crap |
| 03:11.05 | Tabitha | wols_: wouldn't # +m be more appropriate? |
| 03:11.06 | Cliekid | mousex: And as an option? |
| 03:11.11 | MerlinCorey | Narg: try #mozilla or #firefox |
| 03:11.20 | rich_ | grendal_prime try the program called "motion" |
| 03:11.20 | Narg | heh |
| 03:11.22 | mercurus | speaking of sound ... |
| 03:11.25 | peterS | for a whole channel at a time, yes |
| 03:11.26 | Cliekid | mousex: I selected it in the configuration for X (dkpg-reconfigure or whatnot) |
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| 03:11.33 | wols_ | Tabitha: +q allows you to make people shut up without a moderated channel |
| 03:11.39 | mousex | Cliekid: when it gives you a list of many resolutions, you have to check it on the left side |
| 03:11.40 | MobyTurbo | MerlinCorey: I've had falafal ball pizza, I thought that's what you meant. :-) |
| 03:11.44 | wols_ | and without giving people who can talk +v |
| 03:11.56 | Cliekid | mousex: So it has a *? |
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| 03:11.58 | mousex | Cliekid: the color depth has to also be supported at this resolution |
| 03:12.02 | mousex | Cliekid: right |
| 03:12.03 | mercurus | I've just installed Sarge ... and I'm having issues with sound. |
| 03:12.08 | Tabitha | wols_: And if you wanted to, say, have that effect on a channel with oh.. 723 users, wouldn't +m be a better, more efficient option? ;) |
| 03:12.11 | MerlinCorey | MobyTurbo: no, I ordered papa john's, and I just ate half of a large pizza with 'everything' on it |
| 03:12.21 | MerlinCorey | !tell mercurus about sound |
| 03:12.23 | Cliekid | mousex: Yea, I did that - my monitor / vid card can support way beyond that though (Viewsonic w/ NVIDIA GeForce FX5700) |
| 03:12.32 | initech | papa john's is gross |
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| 03:12.36 | mercurus | I've got sound working with ALSA, and I think I've got OSS emulation working ... but not quite |
| 03:12.38 | rich_ | MerlinCorey Thats where we got our pizza last night, papa johns |
| 03:12.41 | peterS | MerlinCorey: sounds like a pretty good appetizer |
| 03:12.46 | mousex | Cliekid: did you also use the nv driver? |
| 03:12.47 | MerlinCorey | peterS: :D |
| 03:12.52 | MerlinCorey | initech: playa hata :P |
| 03:12.55 | wols_ | Tabitha: afaik abrotman could be a masochist (or a sadist since he told guerin to do it). so it all works out in the end I guess :) |
| 03:12.56 | Cliekid | mousex: Yep. |
| 03:13.00 | Desiac | just compiled 2.6.8 on my toshiba deb unstable lappy, when i boot lilo with vga=791 to give me full screen i then cant see the consoles, just have to wait for X to load. if i use vga=normal, i can see the consoles in vga window then X loads, I thought it was due to no framebuffer devices, so i recomplied with vesafb and fb support, inserted and still same prob when i reboot, anyone have any ideas? |
| 03:13.00 | MerlinCorey | initech: I bet you don't like krispy kreme, either? |
| 03:13.01 | mousex | Cliekid: hum . . . |
| 03:13.09 | abrotman | wtf did i do? |
| 03:13.13 | Cliekid | mousex: Lemme try again :-P |
| 03:13.14 | initech | MerlinCorey: straight up ;) nope, no krispy kreme |
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| 03:13.19 | gamerscomplete | hi everyone |
| 03:13.20 | mercurus | MerlinCorey, thank you ... I have sound working with ALSA and OSS and esd ... |
| 03:13.24 | mercurus | the problem is mixing streams |
| 03:13.31 | peterS | wols_: well, channels *do* have a limit to how many masks they can have in the ban list. I assume there's a similar limit for the q list. |
| 03:13.33 | Cliekid | mousex: Erm, whats the command again? =P |
| 03:13.37 | MerlinCorey | mercurus: ah, well, dunno about that myself :) |
| 03:13.38 | gamerscomplete | can anyone help me out with making a cron tab? |
| 03:13.44 | anihilator | merlincorey, Guerin, thanks for your guys' help with my sound issue. I'm not an idiot, just very unfamiliar with linux still |
| 03:13.47 | MerlinCorey | gamerscomplete: man can |
| 03:13.51 | MerlinCorey | gamerscomplete: google can |
| 03:13.51 | mercurus | specifically, I can setup esd with the alsa plugin ... but it isn't receiving multiple streams ... |
| 03:13.55 | mousex | Cliekid: when you start the x server, press Ctrl + Alt + + to increase the resolution (just to see if it works) |
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| 03:14.00 | gamerscomplete | ive looked and havnt been able to figure it out |
| 03:14.02 | initech | though krispy kremes little disgusting gut bombs of lard and dough are so over the top that it's kinda funny |
| 03:14.08 | wols_ | peterS: damn, what on earth happened to the GNU motto of "no artificial limits" |
| 03:14.13 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 03:14.21 | peterS | wols_: nobody but the GNU Project adheres to that |
| 03:14.23 | MerlinCorey | initech: so... pizza hut is less gross than pappa john's? |
| 03:14.26 | rich_ | gamerscomplete I do'nt know. You want 700 people to tell you whether or not they can help you or not? Most don't know. |
| 03:14.32 | grendal_prime | i keep getting errors about there no /dev/video0 |
| 03:14.34 | Cliekid | mousex: Uhm. It zoomed in...when I hit plus. :-P |
| 03:14.37 | jbr | gamerscomplete: have you read both man 1 crontab and man 5 crontab? |
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| 03:14.52 | wols_ | time to make dancedircd or whatever they use now a GNU project I guess |
| 03:14.53 | initech | MerlinCorey: oh god no, pizza hut? you mean the pizza stuffed deep dish pizza inside of another pizza? |
| 03:14.54 | MerlinCorey | gamerscomplete: it's not *that* hard, if you can read |
| 03:14.56 | gamerscomplete | I just wanted if someone knew how to make one if they could run me through it real fast |
| 03:14.59 | Cliekid | mousex: Same with - and + |
| 03:15.09 | MerlinCorey | initech: see..? you just hate good grubbin' food :P |
| 03:15.11 | Cliekid | mousex: seems what its on is the only thing thats "working" for me. |
| 03:15.16 | mousex | Cliekid: then I don't know why it isn't the default resolution . . . you might have to configure /etc/XF86Config-4 manually to set the default one |
| 03:15.19 | Faithful | Hey, do spam bots read these channels for email addresses or such... I typed a particular thing into one of the channels and 2 min later I get spammed on that subject??? |
| 03:15.28 | rich_ | gamerscomplete crontab -e Makes it and it uses your VISUAL editor |
| 03:15.31 | mousex | Cliekid: but make a back up copy before . . . |
| 03:15.32 | peterS | gamerscomplete: when do you want to have your job scheduled for? |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | Faithful: here? |
| 03:15.48 | Cliekid | mousex: Oh yes, always. =P |
| 03:15.53 | wols_ | Faithful: how would said bot know your email addy? did you post that in here as well? |
| 03:15.56 | gamerscomplete | I just want to schedule a PHP script to run everynight at midnight to download the lastest backup from my server |
| 03:16.06 | MerlinCorey | Faithful: it'll look for a regex (or simpler wild) of *@*.*, I assume, store it and link it to a nick? |
| 03:16.33 | mousex | Cliekid: it's /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, I think. The backup is actually because if you touch the file, then dpkg-reconfigure won't rewrite onto it anymore (checksum issues) |
| 03:16.40 | peterS | gamerscomplete: run 'crontab -e' and put the following line in your editor window: 0 0 * * * however-you-want-to-invoke-your-script |
| 03:16.50 | peterS | gamerscomplete: the 0 0 means midnight, the * * * means every day |
| 03:16.55 | Faithful | it was sent to admin@mydomainname |
| 03:16.56 | wols_ | MerlinCorey: wouldn't work. such regexes far likelier would be bans, not email addresses |
| 03:17.06 | MerlinCorey | wols_: it's not production code, ffs |
| 03:17.09 | MerlinCorey | wols_: don't be an idiot |
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| 03:17.17 | MerlinCorey | wols_: excuse me - don't be obtuse |
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| 03:17.37 | jbr | gamerscomplete: make sure there's a final newline, btw |
| 03:17.53 | mousex | Phated, AYFH? |
| 03:17.56 | wols_ | it's just not possible to extract emails from an irc channel, unless someone posts the addresses, which is very very unlikely |
| 03:17.58 | gamerscomplete | k thnx guys |
| 03:17.59 | mousex | guess not . . . |
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| 03:18.27 | Fosten-myth | anyone else experienced problems getting regular old ps2 mice to work with X in 2.6.8 kernel? |
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| 03:18.28 | k-god | Anyone here any good at diagnosing squid issues? |
| 03:18.36 | Faithful | It was just a bit too coincidental if it was a coincidence, because what I typed in was something quite abstract |
| 03:18.44 | Cliekid | mousex: Where do I set default resolution? |
| 03:18.44 | rich_ | wols_ Yes, that sounds pretty tough. If you can't figure out a way, I guess your boned. |
| 03:18.46 | mousex | Fosten-myth: you need the mousedev module |
| 03:18.52 | k-god | I've got squid configured as a caching *and* accelerator proxy, but it's doing neither. Need to troubleshoot. |
| 03:19.01 | mousex | Cliekid: under section device screen |
| 03:19.06 | rich_ | wols_ I mean you'r |
| 03:19.14 | k-god | Not much useful information that I can find, queries currently time out, but appear to be trying to hit port 3128 on the target URL. |
| 03:19.31 | abrotman | !mail wols_ |
| 03:19.43 | Cliekid | mousex: I don't see that....(?) |
| 03:19.48 | wols_ | Faithful: how would the spammer know your domain, since you're on a dialup IP? |
| 03:19.50 | mousex | Cliekid: look for the default color depth (24-bit?), and go down to that depth and put your resolution before nay others |
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| 03:20.02 | mousex | Cliekid: way at the bottom |
| 03:20.07 | mousex | ;) |
| 03:20.20 | Fosten-myth | mousex, thank you!!! (this is the 2nd box i've encountered the problem on didn't know what to do) |
| 03:20.32 | Cliekid | modes "1152x864" is the closest to the left. |
| 03:20.35 | mousex | Fosten-myth: :) had the same problem my self |
| 03:20.42 | Cliekid | Should I reboot, or restart X or something? |
| 03:20.51 | Fosten-myth | mousex, is that why your name is mousex now? |
| 03:20.51 | Faithful | wols_: I have no idea... but I am not really on a dialup... it just looks that way |
| 03:20.52 | mousex | Cliekid: under the same depth as the default one? |
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| 03:21.13 | mousex | Fosten-myth: not really . . . just made that one up |
| 03:21.17 | nile | does anyone know why the default skin for beep-media-player is replaced with a debian-themed skin? |
| 03:21.22 | Cliekid | mousex: Default Depth is 24... |
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| 03:21.46 | Cliekid | mousex: How do I set the default value in that? |
| 03:21.51 | mousex | Fosten-myth: but if you wanna make up a long story about mousex and hist 2.6.8 mouse kernel, go ahead :) |
| 03:21.52 | the_ultimate_sam | what is the dif between libwine and wine |
| 03:21.54 | Vinland | I'm trying to setup phpbb2. I have mysql-server 4.0.22-2 and php4 installed and apache 2.0. I can't seem to get things to work. I tried to scan my own computer and the mysql port is not open. When I goto my domain name and try and load of the phpbb2 setup webpage I get nothing. What am I doing wrong? |
| 03:22.06 | peterS | mousex: you should be MouseX. just like DirectX or WineX or Malcolm X |
| 03:22.20 | MobyTurbo | or OS X |
| 03:22.20 | wols_ | Faithful: yes it's probably broadband, but it still doesn't relate to a MX capable domain name. you could of course run your own MTA which accepts mail for that dialup-like hostname you show up with in /whois, but why would it? |
| 03:22.25 | mousex | peterS: I should be MaoSex -- just like in sex |
| 03:22.38 | peterS | mousex: hey, or that |
| 03:22.41 | mousex | Cliekid: post the file on #flood so I can look at it |
| 03:22.45 | mousex | peterS: ;-) |
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| 03:23.29 | Raf256 | re |
| 03:23.32 | Raf256 | anyone have an socket 5 proxy? |
| 03:23.35 | Cliekid | mousex: Hmm..I need to for now, I'll need to tweak this tommorow - thanks for your help so far! |
| 03:24.04 | mousex | Cliekid: sure. You can always post your question at debianhelp.org so they have answered it by tomorrow . . . |
| 03:24.07 | peterS | Raf256: you mean SOCKS 5? |
| 03:24.12 | mousex | shet, always late |
| 03:24.19 | mousex | menat shit, not shet |
| 03:24.23 | Faithful | wols_: I have MX records |
| 03:24.31 | Raf256 | peterS- yes, |
| 03:24.44 | peterS | Raf256: "apt-cache search socks 5 proxy" |
| 03:25.01 | Raf256 | mhm, but do someone have it instllaed |
| 03:25.14 | grendal_prime | i dont get it...do i just create theis /dev/video0? |
| 03:25.20 | mousex | very well, my pa-risc will have to wait for a nice X in framebuffer . . . |
| 03:25.21 | peterS | Raf256: it returns several results - dante-server and tsocks look interesting. no, I don't use them myself. |
| 03:25.31 | wols_ | Faithful: then you are definitely a minority. few people have one on their dialup hostname |
| 03:25.44 | MobyTurbo | grendal_prime: use modconf or modprobe to activate your tv tuner hardware. |
| 03:25.44 | mousex | grendal_prime: that kind of links are usually created by a kernel module |
| 03:25.51 | Raf256 | hmm or - any computer that can I act as a SOCKS proxy? |
| 03:26.12 | wols_ | which means a bot would not be worth it. doesn't rule out someone manually sending it to you |
| 03:26.20 | Faithful | wols_: I have about a dozen domains running here... just happens to be on dialup (reverse lookups don't work) |
| 03:26.53 | Raf256 | or.. anyone have a VPN |
| 03:26.58 | stew | Faithful: did you happen to be talking about enlarging you penis or something? |
| 03:27.01 | wols_ | mousex: only with udev, devfs and such. otherwise: MAKEDEV |
| 03:27.02 | mousex | Raf256: I do |
| 03:27.09 | mousex | !tell Raf256 about polls |
| 03:27.22 | zignig | bleh! the debianwiki has been defaced by spamming scum. |
| 03:27.26 | Raf256 | mousex- any chance You might help me? no, it's not just a pool ;) |
| 03:27.29 | zignig | +!lart spammers |
| 03:27.31 | mousex | wols_, yup |
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| 03:27.51 | Raf256 | I want to connect from computer A to server C |
| 03:27.52 | romulo | how can i know how much memory a process is using? |
| 03:27.52 | mousex | Raf256: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:27.59 | mousex | uh |
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| 03:28.03 | Raf256 | but IP that A have is "bad" - it dont have a rev-dns |
| 03:28.09 | obake | romulo 'top' ? |
| 03:28.09 | Raf256 | romulo- top |
| 03:28.12 | MobyTurbo | romulo: ps, top |
| 03:28.17 | wols_ | romulo: run "top" |
| 03:28.29 | peterS | romulo: in case nobody has mentioned this already, 'top' |
| 03:28.32 | obake | bed is calling |
| 03:28.33 | MobyTurbo | GMTA |
| 03:28.38 | obake | good night :] |
| 03:28.38 | Faithful | stew: no I have 5 kids and one on the way... I asked about a particular user by their nickname and got an email within thirty seconds with that name in the sender |
| 03:28.43 | mousex | Raf256: why do you need DNS resolution if you know the IP? |
| 03:28.43 | Raf256 | mousex- therefore I must connect to C from a computer that has revdns |
| 03:28.51 | grendal_prime | well ya but i mean...could i just...like...well this mknod /dev/video0 c 81 0 |
| 03:28.55 | wols_ | but actual memory usage is a bit iffy with swap, virtual memory and such |
| 03:28.58 | Raf256 | mousex- donnt know exacly, C administrator answared: |
| 03:29.14 | Raf256 | I cant add this IP to allow-hostst list, since it doesnt have revdns |
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| 03:29.37 | peterS | wols_: yeah, and the fact that the X server gets blamed for a lot of memory usage that is actually caused by X clients (: |
| 03:29.40 | mousex | Raf256: you can still use IPs instead of hostnames |
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| 03:29.52 | Faithful | The new colors in the Xchat are terrible ... I just want everyone writing in white... |
| 03:29.59 | Raf256 | mousex- hmm admin seems to have other opinion |
| 03:30.00 | jetscreamer | no don't use top, use bottom |
| 03:30.02 | jetscreamer | or side |
| 03:30.03 | mousex | Raf256: just make an alias (any name you want) for that IP in /etc/hosts |
| 03:30.10 | Raf256 | mousex- oh |
| 03:30.10 | guestish | Faithful: lol |
| 03:30.12 | guestish | Faithful: there are no new colors =P |
| 03:30.14 | guestish | Faithful: settings are whatever you make them |
| 03:30.15 | Raf256 | so he probably is wrong? |
| 03:30.18 | jetscreamer | Faithful, looks white here |
| 03:30.32 | Raf256 | mousex- there is no reason for need of rev-dns for any security reasons? |
| 03:30.45 | Faithful | when I type it is dark grey on black... shocking... |
| 03:30.50 | mousex | !info rev-dns |
| 03:30.58 | jetscreamer | yeah ok make it white |
| 03:31.00 | mousex | !info revdns |
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| 03:31.13 | Raf256 | infoboot seems to be broken |
| 03:31.20 | mousex | Raf256: what does rev-dns do, exactly? |
| 03:31.36 | Raf256 | mousex- it translates IP to hostname, the opposite of DNS |
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| 03:31.51 | gilles | what is the difference between esnd and alsa ? |
| 03:31.54 | MobyTurbo | mousex: use apt-cache |
| 03:31.55 | Raf256 | DNS converts google.com to 100.10.20.30, revDns do vice-versa |
| 03:31.55 | mousex | Raf256: ok, then you need to tell C to use the IP instead of the hostname. |
| 03:32.16 | mousex | Raf256: or you can assign yourself a DNS hostname with www.dyndns.org |
| 03:32.20 | guestish | heh |
| 03:32.23 | Raf256 | I asked admin of C to do that but re replayed that my IP doesnt have revDNS therefore it cant be done |
| 03:32.30 | wols_ | alsa is a (kernel level) driver. esound is basically a software mixer for a desktop environment |
| 03:32.33 | Raf256 | mousex- are You shure I can - I do not own this iP adress |
| 03:32.44 | mousex | Raf256: is it dynamic? |
| 03:32.51 | wols_ | esnd sits atop of alsa, ie. without it won't work without also or another driver |
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| 03:32.52 | Raf256 | no, static, but not public (NAT) |
| 03:32.52 | Faithful | That's better |
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| 03:33.05 | Raf256 | hmm ok, let my use this dyndns thingy |
| 03:33.09 | Raf256 | br |
| 03:33.10 | Raf256 | -b |
| 03:33.38 | mousex | Raf256: it's OK. You have to configure NAT to route incoming VPN calls to A, though. Then, you give dyndns the external IP of the NAT |
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| 03:34.04 | jetscreamer | i have a blister :( |
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| 03:34.20 | peterS | jetscreamer: what sort? |
| 03:34.32 | jetscreamer | shoe did it |
| 03:34.45 | jetscreamer | long day@werk |
| 03:34.45 | initech | jetscreamer: a pus filled, basketball sized one or a little one? |
| 03:35.05 | jetscreamer | 1/8" across, pus gone so is skin |
| 03:35.22 | initech | don't talk to me about log day@work ;( |
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| 03:35.30 | jetscreamer | k |
| 03:35.36 | guestish | whats up? |
| 03:35.37 | cacophony | oh man |
| 03:35.38 | zignig | I like it when they get all infected underneath the skin. |
| 03:35.39 | cacophony | my day was so long |
| 03:35.48 | omi | Question regarding kernel: when you configure 2.4 series kernel which option should I look out for so that I do not get new (structured) /dev. |
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| 03:36.01 | guestish | omi: devfs and udev |
| 03:36.02 | cacophony | I must have played lbreakout2 like |
| 03:36.04 | cacophony | 50 times |
| 03:36.05 | sussudio | !whine jetscreamer |
| 03:36.07 | omi | nice |
| 03:36.14 | guestish | omi: at least thats what i think you are asking |
| 03:36.15 | omi | kill them |
| 03:36.29 | Vinland | if I have the mysql server runnung, when I do a self scan the port should show up right ? |
| 03:36.29 | omi | yeah, i need old style /dev |
| 03:36.39 | guestish | i dont know what that is |
| 03:36.40 | jetscreamer | last time i took out the devfs support entirely, the kernel borked. will it still? (that was a while ago) |
| 03:36.47 | cacophony | Vinland: by default it would |
| 03:36.57 | guestish | jetscreamer: works fine for me... |
| 03:37.05 | omi | ok, lets try |
| 03:37.07 | Vinland | hrmm |
| 03:37.53 | dippo | anyone know why downgrading from 2.6.x to 2.4.x would make my USB mouse wheel not work |
| 03:38.00 | Vinland | when I do a 'ps aux |grep mysql' I get a bunch of processing running. However when I scan the ip of my server, the sql port doesn't show as being open |
| 03:38.27 | MajorPoopyPants | dippo, you gotta point to /dev/psaux instead of /dev/input/mice |
| 03:38.29 | peterS | dippo: USB keyboard / mouse support in kernel 2.4 is not quite up to where it is in 2.6 kernels. still, I'm surprised that this would change |
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| 03:38.34 | peterS | MajorPoopyPants: he said USB mouse |
| 03:38.38 | RavenQR | anyboyd here using debian-amd64? |
| 03:38.38 | MajorPoopyPants | oops |
| 03:38.45 | dippo | MajorPoopyPants: even if it's actually USB? |
| 03:38.46 | guestish | guestish |
| 03:38.50 | guestish | ok, so that works |
| 03:38.51 | peterS | RavenQR: people in #debian-amd64 are. most of us are not. |
| 03:38.51 | dippo | i don't have a USB->ps2 adapter |
| 03:38.56 | dippo | well, actually I do, but I don't want to use it |
| 03:39.04 | peterS | dippo: no, he missed the USB part. |
| 03:39.12 | MajorPoopyPants | dippo, no pay no attention to me |
| 03:39.16 | peterS | dippo: which USB drivers have you got loaded? |
| 03:39.23 | dippo | it's weird, though. i am fairly sure this worked at one point |
| 03:39.41 | dippo | usbcore, input, and hid |
| 03:39.56 | peterS | dippo: and your host adapter? |
| 03:40.15 | wols_ | Vinland: you sure you have the port opened in my.cnf? |
| 03:40.29 | wols_ | and what does netstat -a |grep LIST say? |
| 03:41.01 | dippo | my host adapter? |
| 03:41.04 | omi | in /etc/mysql/my.conf or whatever you need to enable network |
| 03:41.11 | peterS | dippo: uhci, usb-ohci, or usb-uhci |
| 03:41.18 | omi | by default it is commented out ithink |
| 03:41.21 | dippo | oh, uhci |
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| 03:42.33 | mainiac | abrotman: Well.... it won't start X... the first error I get is: Failed to load module 'pex5' |
| 03:42.44 | abrotman | wtf is pex5? |
| 03:42.47 | abrotman | !pex5 |
| 03:42.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, pex5 is version 5.x of pex, ask me about pex |
| 03:42.51 | dippo | also there's a weird delay when I first start X |
| 03:42.51 | abrotman | !pex |
| 03:42.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pex is an X protocol extension developed by the X Consortium to support 3D graphics for X |
| 03:42.52 | wols_ | omi: it is a bad idea to open it anyways. at least to open it to the intarweb |
| 03:42.57 | dippo | the mouse doesn't work for about 3 or 4 seconds |
| 03:43.02 | abrotman | mainiac: i have no idea |
| 03:43.03 | peterS | abrotman: PEX is PHIGS Extension for X |
| 03:43.13 | mainiac | abrotman: hehe, I have no idea |
| 03:43.14 | peterS | abrotman: PHIGS is an old 3D graphics API that nobody has used for about 10 years, it seems |
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| 03:43.49 | peterS | abrotman: I exaggerate, but I know 8 years ago it was already deprecated in favor of OpenGL |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | peterS: so why is mainiac's system barfing on it? |
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| 03:44.20 | Clone_Fool | running out of ideas, other then writing a plugin for gimp in python (which i deam as easy as learning to script in the gimp). how would invert a black and white image? |
| 03:44.26 | mainiac | abrotman: the next error I get is failed to load module xie |
| 03:44.30 | peterS | abrotman: I wasn't paying attention ... but XFree86 as of 4.3.0 stopped shipping the pex module, since it's so obsolete. commonly someone will have an old XF86Config-4 file that still mentions the module as somehting to load |
| 03:44.43 | Clone_Fool | by image i mean 30 of them |
| 03:44.49 | jetscreamer | hey, uh, wtf? |
| 03:44.50 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.50 | peterS | abrotman: xie, "X Input Extension", is in the same boat. the solution is just to remove those load lines from XF86Config-4 |
| 03:45.16 | gilles | how to configure xine to make it work under esd and gnome ? |
| 03:45.18 | peterS | mainiac: remove the pex and xie load lines from your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file. they are obsolete. |
| 03:45.19 | wols_ | Clone_Fool: a script using imagemagick or the python image libraries |
| 03:45.20 | mainiac | I |
| 03:45.28 | MajorPoopyPants | why do I still like to watch pro wrestling? |
| 03:45.32 | jetscreamer | gilles try totem under gnomw |
| 03:45.34 | jetscreamer | gnome |
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| 03:45.37 | mainiac | I'll check my XF86Config-4 and brb |
| 03:45.41 | abrotman | peterS: if he reconfigures X .. will that maybe fix it? |
| 03:45.47 | Vinland | wols_ = in my.cnf I have it listening on port = 3306 |
| 03:45.49 | zignig | !sing bob2 |
| 03:45.49 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 03:45.49 | Clone_Fool | wols_: ive looked at imagemagick, [mogrify], but cant find the option |
| 03:45.50 | omi | wols_, someone was asking why you cannot see it on the network |
| 03:45.55 | wols_ | MajorPoopyPants: you like wathing burly men in tight shorts perhaps? *g* |
| 03:46.12 | MajorPoopyPants | maybe I prefer my violence scripted |
| 03:46.30 | wols_ | Vinland: then check if netstat has the port open. if it has, check your firewall settings |
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| 03:46.37 | guestish | why dont you just make smiley faces like normal people! =P |
| 03:46.39 | gilles | jetscreamer: totem or totem-xine ? |
| 03:46.44 | guestish | ;) |
| 03:46.51 | wols_ | Vinland: I presume you have already tried to connect to port 3306 via telnet? |
| 03:46.52 | gilles | jetscreamer: what's the difference ? |
| 03:47.25 | Vinland | wols_ - let me get back to you on that |
| 03:47.38 | omi | back to /dev issue. thanks killing devfs option did it |
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| 03:47.49 | samuel | anyone ever tried xshipwars? |
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| 03:48.23 | mainiac | abrotman: on checking XF86Config-4, both pex5 and xie were listed in the Modules section.. I commented out both of them.... brb with the results |
| 03:48.41 | vook | anyone know of a simple "apt-get remove" statement that would remove most, if not all of gnome? apt-get remove gnome-desktop-environment doesn't work. |
| 03:48.58 | wols_ | Clone_Fool: if you know python, you could try PIL: http://www.pythonware.com/products/pil/ |
| 03:48.59 | Vinland | unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 313914 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock -> does this mean its listening on port 313914 ? |
| 03:49.05 | staniel | vook: apt-get remove gnome |
| 03:49.08 | dendrite | vook: Maybe take a shot at some gnome lib? |
| 03:49.09 | wols_ | not really Free, but at least free |
| 03:49.25 | vook | staniel, didn't try that, thanks |
| 03:49.35 | wols_ | no. it means it has opened a unix socket. what you want is a tcp socket |
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| 03:50.12 | abrotman | mainiac: ok |
| 03:50.13 | Raf256 | mmhm |
| 03:50.30 | Raf256 | it seems I have revDns now |
| 03:50.42 | Raf256 | can someone check it by the way? |
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| 03:51.05 | mainiac | abrotman: won't start, the error I now get is Cannot open device /dev/psaux. possible 2.6 uses a different device for the mouse? |
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| 03:51.20 | abrotman | mainiac: usb mouse? |
| 03:51.23 | abrotman | !2.6mouse |
| 03:51.27 | abrotman | !2.6 mouse |
| 03:51.27 | dpkg | methinks 2.6 mouse is http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 03:51.32 | mainiac | nope |
| 03:51.38 | abrotman | mainiac: ^^ |
| 03:51.40 | peterS | mainiac: load two modules. "mousedev" and "psmouse" |
| 03:51.41 | abrotman | read what dpkg said |
| 03:51.48 | wols_ | vook: use some basic gnome library which all of gnome depends one. in kde I always use kdelibs for that |
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| 03:51.58 | abrotman | or ask peterS .. the world famous bot and master of gpm |
| 03:52.04 | peterS | ha |
| 03:52.10 | Vinland | wols_ how do I get this tcp socket open ? |
| 03:52.17 | mainiac | well, it is a usb mouse from Logitech pluged into the ps port |
| 03:52.26 | imad | hi. I am trying to install a module in linux. when i do insmod dev.o it say: unresolved symbol. why is this message coming up? |
| 03:52.27 | Raf256 | questoin about host.allowed |
| 03:52.31 | mainiac | it ran before under /dev/psaux |
| 03:52.42 | abrotman | mainiac: see what peters said |
| 03:52.43 | dendrite | imad: Use modprobe instead of insmod. |
| 03:52.46 | peterS | mainiac: if it's plugged into a PS/2 port, it's PS/2 enough for us |
| 03:52.47 | Raf256 | can there be a host like "raf256.dyn.pl" with points to my NAT, not directly to my machine? |
| 03:52.47 | wols_ | ny removing the comment about it in my.cnf and then restarting mysql usually |
| 03:52.50 | wols_ | *by |
| 03:53.16 | Clone_Fool | wols_: ive worked out a fix :) |
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| 03:53.41 | wols_ | but: it's really a very bad idea to open mysql directly to the internet. it's an ideal way to get rooted |
| 03:53.47 | mainiac | peterS: good 'nuff for me could it be located under a different device other than /dev/psaux??? |
| 03:53.47 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:53.57 | peterS | mainiac: /dev/psaux should work |
| 03:54.01 | wols_ | if it's only open to the LAN, it's mostly OK, if still bad :) |
| 03:54.14 | Guerin | you need to limit connections only to those hosts which actually need it |
| 03:54.20 | mainiac | ok, but it doesn't |
| 03:54.44 | peterS | mainiac: I'm not sure I have the whole story. talking about upgrading to kernel 2.6 here? |
| 03:54.50 | imad | dendrite: when i do modprobe drv.o it says Can't locate module. i the module path missing from some config file??? the module is sitting under /lib/module/2.4.24.servers/misc/cpq/cpqasm.o. |
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| 03:54.58 | vook | wols_, dendrite: thanks, I'll try that too, apt won't let me do anything now, it's busy |
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| 03:55.06 | dendrite | imad: Leave off the extension. |
| 03:55.10 | peterS | imad: modprobe cpqasm (not cpqasm.o) |
| 03:55.13 | mainiac | peterS: did you have a comment on not being able to load xie?, and yes on the upgrade, from 2.2 to 2.6 |
| 03:55.29 | peterS | mainiac: the pex and xie lines can both be removed from XF86Config-4 |
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| 03:55.34 | mainiac | that could explain the pex5 module i guess |
| 03:55.36 | dippo | phew, figured it out |
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| 03:55.55 | dippo | i had an extraneous Protocol "auto" in my mouse config that for some reason in 2.6.x still wound up being IMPS/2 but in 2.4.x doesn't |
| 03:56.09 | rich_ | Anyone know a talking head program for 2d? |
| 03:56.18 | rich_ | ruth seems to require 3d |
| 03:56.18 | peterS | mainiac: /dev/psaux will work if you load the kernel modules "mousedev" and "psmouse". |
| 03:56.24 | wols_ | shouldn't a dist-upgrade from woody to sarge take care of that pex5 and xie stuff in XF86Config-4? |
| 03:56.28 | gilles | how to configure xine to work with esd ? |
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| 03:56.40 | peterS | wols_: you'd think so. apparently it does not, or at least not always |
| 03:56.45 | wols_ | rich_: TV. that's certainly 2D :P |
| 03:56.46 | mainiac | ok, they should be in apt I guess |
| 03:56.52 | imad | dendrite: it says: you are trying to load a module without a GPL compatible license..... contact the module supplier...... I am stuck. I cant get help from the supplier. |
| 03:57.06 | peterS | wols_: I think the X server loads up regardless, the extra module lines are just noise in XFree86.0.log |
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| 03:57.43 | rich_ | wols_ talking heads like ruth, say what you want them to say. But most seem to require a 3d video card. I'm lookig for one that can run well with a 2d video card |
| 03:58.19 | peterS | my computer is ruthless |
| 03:58.32 | wols_ | rich_: I know. was just BSing. I guess doing pretty talking head stuff without 3D is hard or impossible |
| 03:58.58 | wols_ | just doesn't look good enough. and if looks isn't important, one could use a jpg with festival or any other TTS |
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| 03:59.22 | rich_ | I know a talking head sounds silly which is probably why there isn't too many of them around, but I like to play with silly things. |
| 03:59.55 | gilles | when i run "dpkg-reconfigure -a", the process is blocked when it says "Stopping Xprint servers:Xprt", what can i do for the reconfiguration process to keep on ? |
| 03:59.58 | wols_ | not silly. important to make computers accessible to normal people for kiosks and the like |
| 04:00.00 | rich_ | wols_ I dont see how it could be harder than live video or even quake2, which I do easily |
| 04:00.03 | Clone_Fool | a talking head soudns rather normal to me :x, its the quiet ones you have to watch out for |
| 04:00.19 | wols_ | but I guess there is money in there for applications like that, so few Free programs there |
| 04:01.05 | rich_ | wols_ Thats true for all software I guess. ruth is a gnu project and lots of gnu software is worth money, even though they don't charge money. |
| 04:01.16 | wols_ | isn't there an ALICE bot with a face somewhere? |
| 04:01.21 | wols_ | I thought I#ve seeon one |
| 04:01.35 | rich_ | But lots of people want a talking head to talk to customers. No one wants to talk to customers |
| 04:01.38 | wols_ | of course, you could aways install Bonzi Buddy in WINE. I'm sure it will run :) |
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| 04:02.01 | busboy | hello, is a linux volume manager tool that i can use to create disk concatination, striping, or mirroring? |
| 04:02.05 | MajorPoopyPants | oh joy, bonzi buddy |
| 04:02.14 | wols_ | rich_: and it's a boring thing to program while at the same time those who don't want to talk to customers are prepared to spend money for it |
| 04:02.23 | wols_ | hence why few Free talking heads exist :) |
| 04:02.43 | wols_ | busboy: evms |
| 04:03.01 | rich_ | wols_ yet there is one, for gnu. Unfortunately, it requires a 3d video card |
| 04:03.12 | rich_ | I mean from gnu |
| 04:03.23 | wols_ | softmesa not fast enough? or is it so demanding? |
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| 04:04.07 | rich_ | wols_ I have no idea. I cant believe makeing lips move is so difficult. |
| 04:04.19 | wols_ | exactly my thought |
| 04:04.55 | wols_ | since you will need TTS as well: is there a really good TTS engine or Linux. On par with the AT&T one? |
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| 04:05.08 | rich_ | wols_ festival |
| 04:05.12 | Raf256 | elo |
| 04:05.25 | rich_ | one of its voices sounds like steven hawking :) |
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| 04:05.36 | wols_ | is it as good as ATT Natural Voices? |
| 04:05.41 | Raf256 | someone here perhaps have a box with limmited hosts/deny? |
| 04:05.46 | wols_ | or is it more like the MS version of TTS? |
| 04:05.52 | Raf256 | box to with only certain IP adresses can log in |
| 04:05.59 | rich_ | wols_ The portuguese voice sounds most natural to me |
| 04:06.02 | k-god | wols_: Ditto rich_: festival. |
| 04:06.20 | wols_ | maybe I should try it |
| 04:06.39 | rich_ | sorry , I mean castillian spanish voice |
| 04:06.48 | k-god | wols_: It's pretty mechanical sounding IMO, but comprehensible most of the time. |
| 04:07.20 | wols_ | MS one is comprehensible too, doesn't mean I like to hear it |
| 04:07.35 | k-god | wols_: Actually, from what I think I've heard of it, I think they're similar. |
| 04:07.43 | wols_ | Natural Voices is the best by far, but it needs a full CD worth of phonemes to sound barely non mechanical |
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| 04:08.16 | k-god | wols_: If you can track down Kevin Lenzo (used to be at CMU) he's got some really good phoneme sets. |
| 04:08.21 | wols_ | and that's only for a single speaker |
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| 04:08.41 | wols_ | k-god: I don#t want to track down people. I want to apt-get stuff :) |
| 04:09.10 | k-god | wols_: http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~lenzo/ |
| 04:09.33 | k-god | wols_: He's *good*. He's also open source/free software. Runs YAPC. |
| 04:09.47 | wols_ | slefmade audiobook here I come :) |
| 04:10.02 | rich_ | wols_ then you also have feslival lite, which is supposed to be faster and smaller. I never noticed the difference, but I'd use it just because its smaller. And sounds just as good |
| 04:10.32 | k-god | wols_: ...and his homepage lists festival, so me might be the person to talk to. |
| 04:10.43 | wols_ | since my desktop would do the talking, ressources and speed are no big deal |
| 04:10.56 | initech | the best is to play past break up letters through festival, or really any histrionc letters or emails from your s.o. |
| 04:11.09 | jetscreamer | hey if i'm upgrading another box via ssl and openssl just happens to be one of the packages being upgraded, what happens? nothing? |
| 04:11.12 | mainiac | peterS: I don't see mousedev or psmouse in apt, still can't get X to open the device /dev/psaux |
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| 04:11.20 | jetscreamer | apt? |
| 04:11.29 | jetscreamer | apt-get has nothing to do with that |
| 04:11.34 | peterS | mainiac: those are kernel modules. you can use 'modconf' to load them |
| 04:11.35 | jetscreamer | modprobe psmouse mousedev |
| 04:11.38 | Phated | mainiac: It's a module, modprobe them. |
| 04:11.40 | peterS | jetscreamer: no |
| 04:11.42 | k-god | wols_: If you want a sample of his phonemes: 1-877-CMU-PLAN |
| 04:11.47 | peterS | jetscreamer: that would load psmouse with the 'mousedev' argument |
| 04:11.54 | mainiac | thanks |
| 04:11.56 | jetscreamer | you may have to apt-get install modconf, nowadays |
| 04:11.57 | rich_ | You can download the qoran from cal berkely, or some other religious text, and play it while your not home to scare off burglers. |
| 04:12.02 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 04:12.16 | zu22 | k-god: milk got? :) |
| 04:12.23 | rich_ | dogs barking is supposed to work too |
| 04:12.29 | dondelelcaro | rich_: isn't the koran on gutenberg? |
| 04:12.30 | k-god | zu22: The force is strong in this one. |
| 04:12.45 | k-god | zu22: ...or would that be... |
| 04:12.53 | k-god | ...the force in this one strong is? |
| 04:12.53 | Phated | Plenty of religious texts are on Gutenberg. |
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| 04:13.06 | mainiac | that did the trick! thanks peterS et. al. :) |
| 04:13.08 | k-god | Phated: Bible, frex. |
| 04:13.09 | budluva | can someone help me out with a networking problem |
| 04:13.15 | wols_ | and gutenberg has better texts than religious indoctrination too |
| 04:13.17 | Phated | k-god: And so on. |
| 04:13.29 | budluva | i can ping between both of my debian machines, but 192.168.0.2 cant see outside the network |
| 04:13.34 | zu22 | k-god: heh |
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| 04:13.35 | dondelelcaro | rich_: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2800 FE |
| 04:13.42 | jetscreamer | note that dselect didn't give me any crap about purging kde* |
| 04:13.42 | k-god | budluva: Turn on forwarding and check your gateway. |
| 04:13.46 | jetscreamer | but apt-get did |
| 04:13.55 | zu22 | wols_: what about humanistic indoctrination? ;) |
| 04:14.00 | k-god | budluva: route add default gw <IP of gateway machine> on 192.168.0.2 |
| 04:14.09 | budluva | already did that |
| 04:14.18 | budluva | 0.2's gateway = 0.1 |
| 04:14.24 | wols_ | zu22: better than indoctrination about supernatural beings :P |
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| 04:14.35 | rich_ | dondelelcaro I dont know, its not really considered authentic unless its transmitted by religiously pure methods, so you have to find a source thats familliar with it, but not too familliar, because if they really know it, they cant transmit it. But I suppose the bible would work too and ther has to be a guttenburg bible :) |
| 04:14.40 | k-god | budluva: And: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 04:14.47 | k-god | budluva: ...on the GW system. |
| 04:14.50 | wols_ | budluva: man interfaces. you have to set the "gateway" setting |
| 04:14.55 | dondelelcaro | rich_: well, all translations are faulty, of course. |
| 04:15.00 | budluva | but all this worked fine before |
| 04:15.01 | Guerin | well, in fairness, it's against islamic law to render the koran into any language other than arabic |
| 04:15.11 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:15.11 | wols_ | that way your settings will persist over the next reboot |
| 04:15.11 | budluva | like my 2nd machine was xp, but now its debian |
| 04:15.17 | dondelelcaro | rich_: but that hasn't stopped people who can't read hebrew, latin, and arameic... |
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| 04:15.28 | budluva | and interfaces on 2nd machine are setup the same way windows box was |
| 04:15.34 | daaku | quick question, how to i get everything except $1 from $@ in bash? |
| 04:15.34 | wols_ | Guerin: how are they supposed to missionize then? |
| 04:15.40 | Guerin | wols_: they're not. |
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| 04:15.45 | k-god | daaku: shift |
| 04:15.45 | zu22 | wols_: one presuppisition is just as valid as another when it comes to non-temporality |
| 04:15.46 | peterS | daaku: do a 'shift' and then it's just $@ |
| 04:15.46 | budluva | ip 192.168.0.2 subnet 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 |
| 04:15.48 | gilles | how to install alsa instead of esd ? |
| 04:15.54 | wols_ | and aren't there many nations which are islamic but don't speak arabic? |
| 04:15.58 | Guerin | wols_: or, at least, they're not, to people who don't speak arabic. |
| 04:16.09 | k-god | wols_: Indonesia. |
| 04:16.19 | k-god | wols_: ...and Pakistan, for two. |
| 04:16.19 | wols_ | iranians don't speak arabic, but they certainly believe in islam |
| 04:16.20 | Guerin | wols_: the clergy learn arabic, though. |
| 04:16.28 | rich_ | dondelelcaro Yes, so you need a source thats not quite islamic enough to refuse to translate it. But the really exciting thing is there is recitations. It can be recited, and you can get sound files that have the recitations, followed by a translation spoken in english. |
| 04:16.36 | zu22 | wols: and Iran for 3 |
| 04:16.40 | peterS | wols_: all islamic nations have many arabic speakers - that's pretty much a corequisite. it's often not their native tongue, though, as in east Africa, and Indonesia |
| 04:16.46 | wols_ | ah, the "dumb peasant can't be allowed to read the holy scripts" defense. |
| 04:16.50 | Guerin | zu22: oh, because nobody speaks arabic in iran. |
| 04:17.01 | wols_ | We had the same in the catholic church, long ago. even they finally saw the light |
| 04:17.07 | rich_ | That is about as close as a english user can get to the "real deal" |
| 04:17.26 | k-god | wols_: I just saw some interesting commentary on M. Luther WRT that, though I can't remember just what it was. |
| 04:17.27 | zu22 | guerin: many know it, some speak it but Farsi is the main langua franca |
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| 04:17.36 | Guerin | zu22: I'm aware of that. |
| 04:17.41 | daaku | k-god, peterS: thanks, thats perfect |
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| 04:17.47 | k-god | daaku: NP ;-) |
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| 04:17.54 | zu22 | guerin: oops mis-parsed u then :) |
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| 04:18.19 | jetscreamer | hey did anybody tell maniac guy that the modprobe doesn't persist across reboots |
| 04:18.30 | k-god | Anonymous 4. Highly recommended. |
| 04:18.38 | budluva | how many entries should be in my apt sources.list? i only see 1, security.debian.org, but for some reason i cant connect to it |
| 04:18.38 | zu22 | k-god: he wrote most of his 95 theses whilst sitting on the camode |
| 04:18.42 | rich_ | sussudio I'm about as interested in politics as I am in star trek, which is to say, as much as it can make me dollars. |
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| 04:18.47 | jotham | i want to make a backup of this debian linux harddisk (6gb) before reinstalling it, what can i use under win32 (win 2k) to image it in such a way that i can restore it if it all goes pear shaped? |
| 04:18.49 | k-god | zu22: Yes, *that* I remembered ;-) |
| 04:18.50 | Guerin | commode |
| 04:18.58 | wols_ | budluva: run apt-setup |
| 04:19.00 | k-god | jotham: tar. |
| 04:19.07 | zu22 | k-god: did a double take first time i read that heh. |
| 04:19.12 | gilles | how to replace esd with alsa ? |
| 04:19.20 | jotham | k-god: no, i want to make an exact mirror, like an iso, of the partition map and everything |
| 04:19.25 | k-god | jotham: Preferably from a Linux bootable disk or Cygwin, though there are standalone tars under 'Doze. |
| 04:19.27 | wols_ | jotham: cygwin. it has dd (and tar) |
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| 04:19.35 | Guerin | gilles: they're not equivalent; you can't replace one cleanly with the other |
| 04:19.42 | k-god | jotham: No you don't. But if you insist, Norton Ghost or dd. |
| 04:19.48 | httpdss | i have 2 Adsl session establish (ppp0 and ppp1) on my computer ... when i try to do: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.10.0/24 -o ppp1 -j MASQUERADE, it doesnt work .. but it does if i put ppp0 instead of ppp1 ... i have multilink enabled ... i think the problem is on the /etc/network/interfaces ... but i dont know how to fix it .. any clue ? |
| 04:19.57 | cuga | Hey, in default apt-get of postfix, will it accept mail comming from outside or does that have to be enabled? |
| 04:20.02 | jotham | k-god: dude you suck, yeah, i am familiar with dd, and will go try ghost |
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| 04:20.14 | k-god | jotham: Linux doesn't need images. They're big, inflexible, and mostly useless. You just need your bootloader figured out, and even then, you don't, really. |
| 04:20.17 | scarynetworkguy | Cygwin is way cool. |
| 04:20.25 | wols_ | gilles: alsa is a complete sound architecture with drivers and mixers and whatnot. esd is just a mixer for a desktop environment |
| 04:20.28 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: It's about 25% cool. |
| 04:20.31 | gilles | Guerin: someone told me that esd sucked, and that i should better use any other stuff, like alsa |
| 04:20.33 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: It's still 'Doze. |
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| 04:20.49 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: and yes, I use it daily. |
| 04:20.53 | dondelelcaro | rich_: yeah... it's the same way in hebrew |
| 04:20.54 | wols_ | gilles: without alsa (or oss), esd wouldn't work in the first place |
| 04:20.57 | Guerin | gilles: it does. What you want instead is dmix. |
| 04:20.58 | gilles | Guerin: so, how to replace esd by alsa mixer ? |
| 04:21.09 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: True. But in the real world many of us are stuck in that world and having a bash shell and many Unix tools is cool. |
| 04:21.17 | Guerin | gilles: I don't know how to kill esd, but I can tell you how to set up dmix. |
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| 04:21.33 | dondelelcaro | rich_: not really unusual when you have a culture where only a small percentage of the population is literate. |
| 04:21.34 | gilles | Guerin: tell me please... |
| 04:21.38 | Guerin | !dmix |
| 04:21.38 | dpkg | dmix is, like, an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 04:21.49 | gilles | Guerin: i can't find it with synaptic |
| 04:21.51 | wols_ | scarynetworkguy: but the integration sucks so much donkeyballs, it makes one cry (and mad) |
| 04:21.59 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: It's just close enough but not that I find it ultimately frustrating. |
| 04:22.03 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: ...sort of like... |
| 04:22.06 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: Works well for me. |
| 04:22.08 | k-god | ...duno. |
| 04:22.24 | rich_ | dondelelcaro REally? You can get recitations from the hebrew bible? Thats pretty cool, for the internet. I love any kind of a/v media that I can get for free |
| 04:22.28 | wols_ | I really like having grep, bzip, tar,etc in my windows path tho |
| 04:22.32 | gilles | it looks like esd comes with gnome |
| 04:22.32 | wols_ | that's really nice |
| 04:22.34 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: I dunno. It works really well for me. Far better than doze without. |
| 04:22.43 | Zetabyte | any ideas what channel I should ask an ethernet question in? |
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| 04:22.53 | wols_ | Guerin: so dmix is basically a software mixer for alsa? working with all those crappy sound daemons at once? |
| 04:22.54 | k-god | wols_: 7-Zip will give you a lot of the archival tools, BTW, on the GNWinII disk. |
| 04:23.15 | Guerin | wols_: no, working instead of them |
| 04:23.15 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Granted. It makes an absolutely crap environment more like a runny fart. |
| 04:23.40 | wols_ | Guerin: same thing. just as long as they don't bother me anymore. muchas gracias |
| 04:23.43 | k-god | Zetabyte: Shoot it here, we'll point you elsewhere if necessary. If it's Debian-related, it's nominally on topic. |
| 04:24.08 | k-god | gilles: IIRC ESD was part of Enlightenment? |
| 04:24.16 | Zetabyte | k, thanks =) I'm wondering why the data field of an ethernet frame could be empty - what might cause that, or what purpose it might solve. |
| 04:24.26 | Guerin | originally. Now it's been taken on by gnome |
| 04:24.36 | Zetabyte | besides error, i suppose, an obvious answer. |
| 04:24.37 | wols_ | Guerin: one of the reasons I told friends that linux is a crappy desktop was lack of mixer support for many programs at once |
| 04:25.03 | k-god | Zetabyte: Keepalives? |
| 04:25.07 | gilles | Guerin: when i try to uninstall esd with synaptic, it tries to uninstall the whole gnome |
| 04:25.24 | k-god | Zetabyte: ...though you might want to check #protocol-lawyers ;-) |
| 04:25.27 | Guerin | gilles: yeah, but you should be able to disable it. try gnome-control-center |
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| 04:25.50 | k-god | wols_: alsa provides multi-app mixer support. |
| 04:25.53 | dondelelcaro | rich_: I'm not sure if the whole thing is available, but it's not really unusual, considering the fact that the law and the propets is not necessarily written. |
| 04:26.15 | dendrite | wols_: There's also jack, which is an audio mux project... |
| 04:26.20 | rich_ | dondelelcaro same with the qoran, just parts so far. |
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| 04:26.24 | Zetabyte | hehe... If keepalives have no data in them that might answer the question. I hate to pawn my homework off on the friendly IRC folks, but our professor asked this question, and we don't HAVE a textbook, and i didn't see it mentioned in any relevant RFCs. |
| 04:26.39 | wols_ | k-god: but at least last time I looked, no software mixer and each and any DE wanted to bring their own solution. With games like enemy territory hogging sound outright |
| 04:26.50 | afra | is there a good tutorial online for obtaining values from a simple XML file? I can't use Perl modules as it's being shipped to clients and we don't want to install additional modules on their end |
| 04:26.56 | gilles | Guerin: ok, i have disabled the sound server, i don't know what will it change but i did it |
| 04:26.58 | Guerin | Zetabyte: see if you can figure it out from tcpdump |
| 04:27.02 | dendrite | Zetabyte: Not sure if a ping -s 0 would work... =) |
| 04:27.15 | k-god | wols_: That's probably a fair gripe. AFAIC (which isn't much) ALSA *supports* this, but apps are welcome to break the support if they please. |
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| 04:27.24 | Guerin | gilles: that means esd is no longer pwning your sound device |
| 04:28.05 | rich_ | dondelelcaro The catholics, until about a hundred years ago, believed that only educated people (priests) should read the bible, and translate it for the common people. |
| 04:28.09 | k-god | wols_: No idea how it actually works, but likley some pseudodevice might be the way to solve the problem. Virtualization. |
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| 04:28.36 | gilles | Guerin: how to install a better one ? ... an alsa output plugin ? |
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| 04:28.48 | Guerin | gilles: follow that damn dmix link I gave you above |
| 04:28.56 | dondelelcaro | rich_: yes, but even in that case their bible was translated from things that they couldn't understand (hebrew, aramaic, and greek) into latin. |
| 04:28.59 | wols_ | rich_: hundred years? more like 2nd vatican council (sp?). That was sometimes in the 1970s |
| 04:29.12 | wols_ | Until that, it was the official doctrine of the catholic church |
| 04:29.27 | Zetabyte | I was looking at a capture i made in ethereal - i nabbed some of my own AIM keepalives, but layer 2 isn't empty, it has TCP and IP headers and AIM keepalives do have some application layer junk in them too. |
| 04:29.32 | k-god | zu22: http://archive.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/11/12feature.html |
| 04:29.49 | rich_ | wols_ wow. I did not know that. And I probably will continue to pretend not to know it because if I had stated it I'd be attacked by catholics :) |
| 04:29.49 | k-god | zu22: ... Googling "'martin luther' bible linux" |
| 04:29.56 | gilles | Guerin: ok, i first didn't saw it, sorry... |
| 04:29.56 | Zetabyte | i can see why an application layer payload might be empty, but i can't see how an empty layer 2 does anything. |
| 04:30.05 | wols_ | Zetabyte: speciall apps keepalives don't need to be empty. it's all how the app is programmed |
| 04:30.17 | Zetabyte | yeh, that's what i figgured. |
| 04:30.26 | gilles | !tell dmix |
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| 04:30.36 | wols_ | rich_: naw. I won't attack you :P (my passport still says "roman catholic" as my religion) |
| 04:30.39 | gilles | !tell dmix gilles |
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| 04:30.56 | gilles | !tell gilles dmix |
| 04:31.01 | zu22_ | rich_: cool i am cep |
| 04:31.06 | wols_ | gilles: I checked. there is no dmix for sarge :( |
| 04:31.09 | maestro[] | gilles: Best thing you could do is read the docs. DIMIX is a well documented thing |
| 04:31.09 | wols_ | really wanted to use it |
| 04:31.14 | rich_ | wols_ Well they don't seem to be fond of the fact, so I ussually just refer to it as ancient history. |
| 04:31.20 | maestro[] | wols_: There is |
| 04:31.24 | jetscreamer | how do i deny access to eth0 to a specific user |
| 04:31.28 | maestro[] | wols_: dmix is part of alsa |
| 04:31.34 | wols_ | maestro[]: typo on my part perhaps? dimix? |
| 04:31.35 | wols_ | ah |
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| 04:32.02 | maestro[] | wols_: http://opensrc.org/alsa/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 04:32.17 | wols_ | rich_: no one likes to be reminded of ones failures. not even (or especially not) devout religious types... |
| 04:32.25 | Spark | jetscreamer: iptables probably |
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| 04:33.07 | dendrite | jetscreamer: If the packets originate on the same machine as the ethernet device, iptables will do it. |
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| 04:33.38 | ricochet | My computer is freezing (fresh install) after a few minutes of running.. could someone checkout #flood to let me know if these messages from /var/log/messages is my problem, and what it is maybe |
| 04:33.57 | kortec | is there any reason that boot floppies are having problems mounting? "cant find fs type for this device" sort of errors |
| 04:34.01 | rich_ | wols_ Im not sure its a failure. Considering that the catholics were so involved in missionary work, maybe it was better that they didn't just spring the bible on people who barely understood whatever language it was written in. |
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| 04:34.28 | rich_ | wols_ And the vatican only changed after many other churches changed |
| 04:34.43 | Zetabyte | Since a nice religious talk is going on, I might as well say I'm an atheist, but I respect the beliefs of others who think for themselves. I only despise the brain-washed bible-thumping zealots who can only murmer "b..b...b..but the bible says!" like a broken record. |
| 04:35.04 | wols_ | and creating an elite caste of people who can interpret the scripts for them (and therefore rule them) is better? I can't really agree with that |
| 04:35.34 | wols_ | the protestants changed that policy from the beginning. it was one of the main reasons for their split (and a good one imho) |
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| 04:35.56 | ricochet | would someone mind helping me before my box freezes again please |
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| 04:35.58 | wols_ | the translation of the bible to german was mainly a protestant undertaking |
| 04:36.03 | rich_ | wols_ I think it was good that they changed, I just don't know if their former policy was right or wrong because I was too young to remember. It had good reasons. |
| 04:36.25 | Phated | ricochet: What's wrong? |
| 04:36.26 | wols_ | ricochet: your kernel crashes. basically a BSOD |
| 04:36.32 | Phated | Ah lovely. |
| 04:36.45 | ricochet | Phated, what he said. its in #flood |
| 04:36.47 | wols_ | from that "preempt" line, I'd suggest to stop using a preemptible kernel |
| 04:36.57 | Guerin | ricochet: are you running the right kernel for your cpu? |
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| 04:37.30 | wols_ | rich_: the reasons _might_ (but only might) be noble, but the effect was a very,very bad one, basically oppressing people |
| 04:37.36 | unixfool` | is there a command line utility for generating hashs from passwords? (instead of changing my password and copying it out of /etc/shadow etc) |
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| 04:37.48 | wols_ | and that for hundreds of years, but the church benefitted, so it was all right in their book... |
| 04:37.50 | jetscreamer | passwd |
| 04:37.53 | ricochet | wols_ I'm running the std db kernel |
| 04:37.54 | maestro[] | unixfool`: passwd |
| 04:37.55 | ricochet | sole_ 2.6.8-1-686 on a P4 |
| 04:37.57 | ricochet | wols_ ^ |
| 04:37.58 | unixfool` | how? |
| 04:38.08 | jetscreamer | passwd blah |
| 04:38.17 | maestro[] | unixfool`: Hm nope, didn't read the question properly |
| 04:38.33 | unixfool` | jetscreamer: that just changes the password for blah :( |
| 04:38.38 | sigjuice | I'm running sarge. I'm primarily a kde user but I have a bunch of nautilus processes running. |
| 04:38.44 | sigjuice | How do I get rid of them? |
| 04:38.47 | maestro[] | jetscreamer: He wants to have to hash printed out on stdout instead of putting it into /etc/shadow |
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| 04:38.55 | unixfool` | maestro[]: yeah, exactly :) |
| 04:38.58 | ricochet | wols_, Phated: milano:~# uname -a |
| 04:38.59 | ricochet | Linux milano 2.6.8-1-686 #1 Thu Oct 7 03:15:25 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:39.00 | Guerin | sigjuice: killall nautilus |
| 04:39.04 | Spark | unixfool`: mdgsum i think |
| 04:39.07 | Spark | md5 |
| 04:39.30 | sigjuice | Guerin: I could do that. How do I prevent them from starting in the first place? |
| 04:39.42 | wols_ | ricochet: my suggestion would be to use another kernel. a 2.4 one even if possible |
| 04:39.42 | ricochet | Guerin I beleive I am. 2.6.8-1-686 on a P4 |
| 04:39.53 | Guerin | sigjuice: find out what starts them and stop that from running |
| 04:39.55 | wols_ | and then getting your own kernel sources and compiling these |
| 04:40.10 | Phated | ricochet: Try going down to 2.4 as wols_ said or something. |
| 04:40.28 | unixfool` | Spark: hmm... /me tries it |
| 04:40.37 | wols_ | ricochet: that way you could also P4 optimize the kernel |
| 04:40.45 | Guerin | ricochet: yeah, that's right. Do what wols said... |
| 04:40.49 | wols_ | tho, there must be a P4 kernel in debian as well somewhere |
| 04:40.51 | ricochet | wols_, Phated, Guerin the system had worked fine up until a few days ago on 2.6.8, i reinstalled thinking somethin might be messed up, but still freezes. any chance its bad RAM or somethin? |
| 04:41.17 | wols_ | ricochet: could very well be hardware then. |
| 04:41.20 | Phated | It's always likely that something went wrong on a hardware scale, yes. |
| 04:41.37 | jetscreamer | k sorry mkpasswd |
| 04:41.39 | Spark | memtest86 |
| 04:41.40 | wols_ | for ram you can run memtest86, for other things to test it gets trickier |
| 04:41.44 | Spark | check cooling, etc |
| 04:41.53 | Spark | try a new powersupply as a last resort |
| 04:42.06 | jetscreamer | unixfool`, mkpasswd |
| 04:42.10 | ricochet | wols_ ok i'll try that. if i stop responding, you'll know what happened. |
| 04:42.17 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 04:42.23 | wols_ | ricochet: in that kernel OOPSes you pasted in #flood, you see the call trace at the end |
| 04:42.30 | ricochet | yes |
| 04:42.45 | wols_ | next time it crashes, check if it's always the same things |
| 04:43.01 | wols_ | if not, it makes hardwarefailure a lot more likely |
| 04:43.09 | ricochet | ok, actually i have a few crashes here in my messages.. lemme go look |
| 04:43.15 | wols_ | if it always uses the same sort of calls, it's a software problem |
| 04:43.19 | sigjuice | Guerin: according to pstree, kdeinit is the daddy. |
| 04:43.48 | ricochet | wols_ the BIOS memtest passes. |
| 04:43.59 | wols_ | BIOS metest is crap |
| 04:44.08 | icytakfar | the BIOS memtest allways passes :) |
| 04:44.17 | wols_ | total crap even. all good it does is tell you the amount of memory you have. sometimes not even that... |
| 04:44.45 | ricochet | wols_ ok, i apt'd memtest86, how does it run? |
| 04:44.50 | Guerin | yeah, I had one which told me I had 32MB ... when I had 160 |
| 04:44.52 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 04:45.02 | Guerin | ricochet: boot to it, like a kernel |
| 04:45.03 | jetscreamer | it's like a kernel, or is that memtest86+ |
| 04:45.03 | Phated | sigjuice: The solution is obvious... Drop KDE. :) No, I'm kidding, try to see what kdeinit is doing. |
| 04:45.16 | wols_ | you get a CD ISO (or floppy) with memtest86 on it. you run it without any other OS (no linux, no doze) present |
| 04:45.17 | Guerin | ricochet: you need to run it for ages, though. 24 hours is typical |
| 04:45.25 | wols_ | and then run it over night |
| 04:45.27 | scarynetworkguy | Getting rid of KDE would solve the problem rather nicely. |
| 04:45.35 | jetscreamer | you can boot it just like a kernel image on your hd no floppy or cd needed |
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| 04:45.45 | Phated | After installing it? |
| 04:45.51 | sigjuice | scarynetworkguy: so would getting rid of my computer |
| 04:45.58 | maestro[] | unixfool`: mkpasswd is in the whois package btw |
| 04:46.01 | Guerin | sigjuice: that would be going a bit far |
| 04:46.11 | scarynetworkguy | sigjuice: </humour> |
| 04:46.20 | Phated | sigjuice: Yes, but KDE is worse. Anyways. :) Just track kdeinit, maybe it's a script or something that had nautilus in it? :) |
| 04:46.23 | jetscreamer | phated, yeah and fix the bootloader up, if you meant memtest |
| 04:46.25 | ricochet | ok, i'll look thru messags more before i do that |
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| 04:46.38 | mindphasr | Hello, i have a package that got installed from experimental(libpango) on accident. How can i downgrade it to unstable version w/o it removing tons of the dependencies? |
| 04:46.48 | Phated | jetscreamer: Ah interesting. How would a bootloader entry for say lilo look if you wanted to do memtest? |
| 04:46.52 | Guerin | mindphasr: you probably can't |
| 04:47.00 | jetscreamer | how do you acidentally get something from exp |
| 04:47.06 | mindphasr | Guerin: eek. so best bet is just to wait for it to catch up and be in unstable huh |
| 04:47.07 | Phated | *shrugs* |
| 04:47.08 | wols_ | mindphasr: force install libpango from sarge/sid or whatever |
| 04:47.10 | Guerin | !upgrade deps |
| 04:47.10 | dpkg | to upgrade all the dependencies of a given package, regardless of whether correct version dependencies have been specified, use the following: `apt-cache depends package | cut -f2 -d:`; do apt-get install $i; done |
| 04:47.10 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: damned if I know. |
| 04:47.11 | sigjuice | I grepped in .kde and found a file called ./share/config/ksmserverrc |
| 04:47.26 | Guerin | mindphasr: ^^ look at that one-liner above, tailor it to your needs |
| 04:47.27 | jetscreamer | me i'd d/l the one i wanted and see if dpkg -i --force-all would work, then reinstall |
| 04:47.27 | Phated | jetscreamer: Make it foolproof and someone will make a better fool. Ever heard that? :) |
| 04:47.31 | mindphasr | wols_: It will still deal with all the other apps though that depend on it |
| 04:47.39 | sigjuice | a line in there says restartCommand5=nautilus,--sm-config-prefix,/nautilus-iI and some other junk |
| 04:47.43 | Guerin | mindphasr: it upgrades a package and all its deps; you might be able to con it into downloading |
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| 04:47.58 | dondelelcaro | don't ever use --force-all |
| 04:48.00 | wols_ | mindphasr: if you have anything which depends on the libpango from experimental, you can't downgrade of course |
| 04:48.04 | Guerin | s/loading/grading/ |
| 04:48.07 | dondelelcaro | well, not unless you know exactly what you're doing, anyway. |
| 04:48.11 | unixfool` | maestro[]: thanks |
| 04:48.12 | jetscreamer | phated, no, it was referencing idiots when i heard it :) |
| 04:48.23 | icytakfar | If anyone has a minute, I got a weird ALSA problem |
| 04:48.24 | Phated | jetscreamer: Meh, I heard the fool version. :) |
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| 04:48.33 | mindphasr | wols_: How do i check if something depends on it? |
| 04:48.36 | Phated | icytakfar: Ask away, someone or other will help. |
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| 04:48.59 | sussudio | icytakfar: did it start playing ELO songs? |
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| 04:49.29 | icytakfar | k, after reboot ALSA stops working--discover1 is gone, snd-sb16 is blacklisted, all modules loaded, no weird messages |
| 04:49.31 | jetscreamer | sussudio, you bastid i have elo in my head now |
| 04:49.34 | thoreauputic | mindphasr: you have to ask that and you're fooling with experimental? Oh dear... |
| 04:49.40 | wols_ | mindphasr: apt-get install apt-rdepends should do it |
| 04:49.47 | jetscreamer | something about sweet talking woman i think |
| 04:49.50 | sussudio | jetscreamer: the sun is shining in the sky |
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| 04:49.58 | solar_ | I installed xmms, but when I run xmms from a x-term shell it says locale does nto support C library |
| 04:50.01 | mindphasr | wols_: thanks |
| 04:50.04 | Phated | Well duh it can't be shining anywhere else. :) |
| 04:50.13 | MerlinCorey | morning Phated |
| 04:50.14 | jetscreamer | probably words in a song |
| 04:50.22 | sussudio | jetscreamer: mr blue sky |
| 04:50.23 | Phated | solar_: Meh, that's no big deal, it just means you didn't set a C locale. |
| 04:50.25 | jetscreamer | he's evil |
| 04:50.27 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 04:50.30 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Morning. |
| 04:50.32 | maestro[] | solar_: apt-get install locales |
| 04:50.37 | solar_ | ahh |
| 04:50.40 | maestro[] | solar_: or dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 04:50.42 | maestro[] | s |
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| 04:51.03 | Phated | You know, it reall doesn't matter unless xmms refuses to run without it. :) |
| 04:51.06 | sussudio | jetscreamer: still not as bad as getting 'horse with no name' stuck in your head |
| 04:51.19 | Phated | People name horses? |
| 04:51.25 | wols_ | sussudio: that's real torture |
| 04:51.30 | sussudio | Phated: that they do |
| 04:51.41 | Phated | sussudio: Dear me, you mean -real- names? |
| 04:51.42 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: At that point your only real option is to suck down a couple of shotgun shells. |
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| 04:51.52 | sussudio | wols_: or "it's a small world" |
| 04:51.58 | Phated | HAhaha. |
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| 04:52.07 | Phated | BASTARD I have that in my head now. |
| 04:52.12 | wols_ | Phated: as the intarweb taught you, people have sex with horses. so why wouldn't the name them? |
| 04:52.18 | hyperi | -msg dpkg guidelines |
| 04:52.25 | solar_ | phated: what type of locale do I use? |
| 04:52.29 | Phated | wols_: Ah true, you can't have sex if it isn't called Rochelle. :) |
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| 04:52.39 | Phated | solar_: I dunno, whatever suits your language. |
| 04:52.45 | Phated | solar_: Anyways, does xmms run? |
| 04:52.51 | wols_ | Phated: sex with whole cities? now that's really disgusting... |
| 04:53.02 | solar_ | only in root mode :( |
| 04:53.04 | Phated | wols_: Meh, they do animals... You never know! |
| 04:53.07 | Phated | solar_: Ah. |
| 04:53.09 | hyperi | I've a problem that I can't get any kind of C-compiler installed with apt-get... anyone has some idea? (The configure-script complains that it can't make binary files) |
| 04:53.11 | dondelelcaro | what, like Debbie does Dallas or something? |
| 04:53.14 | Jacobo221 | how can I set a package so that when i run apt-get dist-upgrade, it never asks me if I want to upgrade that package? |
| 04:53.25 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Oh thanks a -lot-. |
| 04:53.35 | ricochet | ok, Phated, wols_, Guerin I picked out a bunch of the errors.. to #flood they go... |
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| 04:53.39 | wols_ | Phated: but think of the Vi@gr@ dosage needed! it would bankrupt you on the first romp in the hay! |
| 04:53.45 | scarynetworkguy | !tell zu22_ about ask |
| 04:54.07 | Phated | wols_: *shrugs* Playboy Mansion could fund it. |
| 04:54.17 | zu22_ | scarynetworkguy: ah ok so i shoudl assume no one has answer to my question heh. |
| 04:54.20 | hyperi | To be exact - configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 04:54.23 | zu22_ | s/shoudl/should |
| 04:54.26 | grendal_prime | anyone ever get this one |
| 04:54.27 | Phated | zu22_: It depends, just -ask-. :) |
| 04:54.28 | grendal_prime | /dev/dsp: Input/output error? |
| 04:54.43 | zu22_ | phated: i already asked, maybe it did not show up in channel caz too big? |
| 04:54.52 | zu22_ | i'll try again |
| 04:54.54 | zu22_ | i found program that allows me to set various networking parameters in Windows for my dial-up connection, it suggests i make the following changes: Receive Window (RWIN) - 3216, Time To Live (TTL) - 64, Session Keep Alive -600000ms, Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) - Small 576, NDI Cache - 16, Black Hole Discovery - enabled. do u think these changes are prudent and will be effective in preventing my frequent ISP disconnections/modem retrains (not sure which |
| 04:55.02 | Phated | There ya go. |
| 04:55.03 | sussudio | you were working as a waitress in a cocktail baaaar |
| 04:55.07 | zu22_ | ah good :) |
| 04:55.09 | wols_ | grendal_prime: has something currently opened /dev/dsp? and some other process wanted to open it as well? |
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| 04:55.24 | solar_ | phated: any idea why locale not supported by the C library when I set my local to en_US.ISO-8859-1 |
| 04:55.26 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: there's no point to most of those. |
| 04:55.27 | scarynetworkguy | zu22_: Now go ask in #windows |
| 04:55.30 | dendrite | zu22_: And what does that have to do with debian? |
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| 04:55.48 | zu22_ | i guess these are tcp/ip stack variables? |
| 04:55.48 | Phated | solar_: Dunno, but try setting it to no default locale? |
| 04:56.00 | solar_ | ok |
| 04:56.04 | zu22_ | dendrite: linux <-> debian link :D |
| 04:56.13 | icytakfar | so...anybody have any advice making ALSA work after a reboot? |
| 04:56.14 | solar_ | same error |
| 04:56.14 | solar_ | :/ |
| 04:56.18 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 04:56.29 | dendrite | zu22_: Somehow I don't think so. That would be like dumping black and red ants in a pile. |
| 04:56.31 | wols_ | zu22_: depending on the type of your traffic (and the shittiness of the windows network stack) it might help, but usually it's not worth it, at least in linux. and it certainly shouldn' |
| 04:56.40 | wols_ | shouldn't make your ISP drop your connection |
| 04:56.41 | solar_ | how do I copy and paste stuff from a shell? |
| 04:56.47 | gilles | how to configure esd with totem ? |
| 04:56.47 | zu22_ | scarynetworkguy: naw i only use windows until i get modem working for debian, so i was curious how set these values in linux |
| 04:56.48 | solar_ | I want to post what is not supported |
| 04:56.51 | wols_ | solar_: get gpm |
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| 04:57.09 | zu22_ | dendrite: ok |
| 04:57.20 | wols_ | zu22_: you can set all those values (and much more) under /proc, but it's a stupid thing to do imho |
| 04:57.25 | zu22_ | wols_: oj thx |
| 04:57.25 | scarynetworkguy | zu22_: Debian has a TCP/IP stack that doesnt suck. |
| 04:57.30 | maestro[] | solar_: Left and middle mouse button |
| 04:57.40 | dendrite | wols_: He's on a windoze system. No /proc. =) |
| 04:57.45 | Phated | Or left and right in the CLI. :) |
| 04:57.51 | sussudio | jetscreamer: are you familiar with "I won't let the sun go down on me" by Nik Kershaw? |
| 04:57.59 | wols_ | burma: but I won't answer windows questions in #debian :P |
| 04:58.10 | zu22_ | scarynetworkguy: i am gonna hook up serial modem caz the crap winmodem doesn't work in linux but speed is only 28.8 so my dist-upgrade to sarge will take a while heh |
| 04:58.16 | solar_ | The font "-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1-*-" does not support all the required character sets for the current locale "C" |
| 04:58.16 | solar_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.30 | scarynetworkguy | zu22_: So you better get started. |
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| 04:58.42 | hyperi | I've a problem that I can't get any kind of C-compiler installed with apt-get... anyone has some idea? (The configure-script complains that it can't make binary files) |
| 04:58.49 | zu22_ | scarynetworkguy: indeed after my hoagie :) |
| 04:58.50 | wols_ | ricochet: as you can see in those call traces, it's allways that pollwait function which crashes |
| 04:58.58 | scarynetworkguy | hyperi: apt-get install buidl-essential |
| 04:58.59 | wols_ | so I guess it looks like software. get another kernel |
| 04:59.14 | wols_ | maybe a P4 optimized one instead of a 686 one |
| 04:59.21 | ricochet | wols_ what does that look like to you? (#flood) is there a problem with my swap maybe? |
| 04:59.23 | ricochet | Phated, any ideas of whats causing my prob? (#flood) |
| 04:59.31 | ricochet | wols_ not all are poll_wait |
| 04:59.40 | wols_ | it seems like your sys_select call has problems |
| 04:59.42 | Phated | ricochet: Nope, sorry. If you get fireworks on your screen at reboot though I know what's wrong. |
| 04:59.45 | ricochet | there is a do_select |
| 04:59.52 | hyperi | scarynetworkguy, gives me broken packages... Shall I paste the output on #flood? |
| 04:59.54 | wols_ | since it's always the same call, I think it's software problem. get a new kernel |
| 05:00.12 | wols_ | that it worked before but not anymore is a bit troubling |
| 05:00.36 | wols_ | but Free software is easier to replace than hardware (and muhc cheaper), so try that first |
| 05:01.00 | Phated | Yep, one reason I'll happily play with a new kernel but not with opening up my CPU. :) |
| 05:01.10 | ricochet | wols_ actually i didnt crash in all those examples i just realized. i'll look through the ones that actually has a restar after it... |
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| 05:01.39 | wols_ | ricochet: still, kernel oopses are a very bad thing (unless you are a kernel dev) |
| 05:01.54 | wols_ | so even if it had only one of those, I'd start to look for a new kernel |
| 05:01.59 | maestro[] | solar_: how does it crash? |
| 05:02.04 | cafuego | hyperi: apt-get install build-essential. You rezlly shouldn't be comnpiling stuff if you can't even set up the compiler itself. |
| 05:02.23 | hyperi | cafuego, I can't get that either... |
| 05:02.24 | ricochet | wols_ hm, ok, i just noticed apt wants to upgrade 2.6.8-1-686 sooo.. maybe it was finxed in a day? .. here goes.. |
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| 05:02.41 | scarynetworkguy | hyperi: sure. |
| 05:02.49 | hyperi | scary, already pasted tho :P |
| 05:02.51 | hyperi | Will paste again. |
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| 05:03.04 | solar_ | maestro[], in user mode when I type in xmms into the console it says Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library |
| 05:03.04 | cafuego | hyperi: Start with 'apt-get update' |
| 05:03.05 | wols_ | hyperi_: put those missing dependencies in your apt-get line |
| 05:03.09 | solar_ | it wont start up |
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| 05:03.48 | scarynetworkguy | hyperi: Sarge or Sid? |
| 05:03.50 | hyperi | When I try to apt-get depencies... Says not found. |
| 05:03.56 | hyperi | hum? |
| 05:03.57 | wols_ | cafuego: all those gentoo kids can't install compilers, and they compile full distros :) |
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| 05:04.06 | hyperi | cafuego, done millions of times. |
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| 05:04.18 | ricochet | Phated, fireworks? |
| 05:04.39 | Phated | ricochet: Nah, it happened on my last kernel, wouldn't boot at all but had funny colours onscreen, don't worry about it. :) |
| 05:04.46 | wols_ | hyperi: do what cafuego told you and run apt-get update first |
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| 05:04.55 | wols_ | then try to install the stuff again |
| 05:04.59 | hyperi | huoh... |
| 05:05.03 | hyperi | I've done it several times... |
| 05:05.08 | hyperi | People don't seem to listen. |
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| 05:05.21 | wols_ | hyperi: we just don't read. no one listens |
| 05:05.31 | cafuego | hyperi: If it can't install build-essential after you run 'apt-get update' you 1) Broke the system 2) Shouldn't be using unstable or 3) need Karma. |
| 05:05.32 | maestro[] | hyperi: do an apt-get update and try again, if it won't work, show your sources.list |
| 05:06.17 | wols_ | then check if you have gcc and friends in your package listing with "apt-cache policy libc6-dev" for example |
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| 05:06.44 | icytakfar | can someone help me make alsa work after a reboot? |
| 05:06.50 | solar_ | lol |
| 05:06.58 | hyperi | cafuego, now the trick in here is that either A. I have newer version of the software already installed B. That required version just *cant be found* from the system C. I'm having really bad luck/karma :D |
| 05:07.07 | hyperi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:08.04 | wols_ | hyperi: have you done bad things to oyur sources.list (like mixing different sources, sarge and woody and the like)? |
| 05:08.05 | cafuego | hyperi: No, you fucked up the config. Easy as that. |
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| 05:08.27 | cafuego | hyperi: You have a 'stable' system with 'unstable' or 'testing' sources and bad depends. |
| 05:08.29 | hyperi | It's brand new install ffs |
| 05:08.40 | hyperi | Uptime 3h and I've been playing elsewhere for past 2h :D |
| 05:08.41 | jetscreamer | muhahahahaha.... http://hfds.com/images/baggins.mov |
| 05:08.43 | cafuego | hyperi: Run 'apt-setup' and add a few stable repositories, trash the unstable ones. |
| 05:09.00 | hyperi | I've stable system with default sources from ftp.fi.debian.org/* |
| 05:09.12 | sussudio | carriere maken totdat de bom valt |
| 05:09.18 | hyperi | I've debian & debian-non-US stables + security |
| 05:09.20 | hyperi | Nothing else. |
| 05:09.31 | poin__t | anyone here users md devices with mdadm? I'm wondering what's the command or if there are any scripts to auto-readd missing partitions when they get removed\failed and you've replaced the drive\recreated the partitions. |
| 05:09.33 | cafuego | hyperi: 2.3.2.ds1 is NOT a stable version of libc6. |
| 05:09.35 | Nyle | hyperi, check /etc/apt/sources.list and go through it, and change ANYTHING that says testing or otherwise to stable |
| 05:09.40 | wols_ | libc6 2.3.2.ds1-18 is definitely in any stable repository, so where does it come from? |
| 05:09.43 | cafuego | hyperi: Maybe you downloaded a .deb that was for unstable... |
| 05:09.52 | wols_ | *definitely not |
| 05:09.56 | hyperi | Oh, only tried to take irssi from it :P |
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| 05:10.14 | maestro[] | here you go |
| 05:10.21 | cafuego | hyperi: So you fucked up the system, like I said. dpkg --purge irssi; install the STABLE version. |
| 05:10.38 | maestro[] | people should not do pinning unless they know exactley what they are doing... |
| 05:10.51 | wols_ | or get a backport of irsss/compile your own irssi version from the newer sources |
| 05:11.01 | maestro[] | cafuego: Or upgrade to sarge or whatever, but do not mix the versions |
| 05:11.09 | hyperi | Actually it didn't work before I modified it... |
| 05:11.11 | cafuego | maestro[]: Really, people should just not use pinning. |
| 05:11.19 | hyperi | I first tried to get irssi's source to compile |
| 05:11.20 | maestro[] | cafuego: ack |
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| 05:11.42 | hyperi | But the same errors occurred - Then tried as their instruction said to get it through apt-get... |
| 05:11.48 | initech | cafuego: i use it for one or two small time things, mainly for sources that i recompile on woody |
| 05:11.58 | initech | which is about what it's good for |
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| 05:12.17 | hyperi | So what is there to do? |
| 05:12.28 | wols_ | hyperi: are you running that system at home or at work (production environment). If at home: just upgrade to sarge |
| 05:12.49 | hyperi | Don't have fysical access to that machine. |
| 05:12.52 | hyperi | Can't reboot or anything. |
| 05:13.05 | maestro[] | hyperi: ok, purge irssi |
| 05:13.23 | xLobeznox | <jetscreamer> muhahahahaha.... http://hfds.com/images/baggins.mov |
| 05:13.28 | xLobeznox | this video have no sound |
| 05:13.28 | hyperi | No irssi installed. |
| 05:13.30 | xLobeznox | no? |
| 05:13.53 | Phazor | If you have a Technical issue its best to listen to disco while researching your problem |
| 05:14.15 | initech | Phazor: uggh |
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| 05:14.20 | wols_ | Phazor: why? cause it makes me kill myself, therefore "solving" the problem? |
| 05:14.25 | Phazor | incentive to finish very fast |
| 05:14.32 | maestro[] | Hyperi: Show your sources.list |
| 05:14.37 | jetscreamer | sound here |
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| 05:14.52 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, has sound here... it's very old though |
| 05:15.04 | jetscreamer | only left chan (mono) |
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| 05:15.16 | Hyperi | maestro[]: -> #flood |
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| 05:15.55 | cafuego | ffs! |
| 05:15.59 | flash_muppet | how can I find out the type of networking card on my motherboard ..? |
| 05:16.00 | Hyperi | Now one option would be installing everything manually. |
| 05:16.10 | Hyperi | flash_muppet: Integrated? |
| 05:16.17 | Hyperi | flash_muppet: Or PCI? |
| 05:16.17 | xLobeznox | jetscreamer, I have no sound, what do you use |
| 05:16.18 | xLobeznox | mplayer? |
| 05:16.22 | mwilson | flash_muppet: Actually bother to look at the specs for the motherboard? |
| 05:16.33 | flash_muppet | Hyperi: yes it is intergrated |
| 05:16.36 | Hyperi | xLobeznox: mplayer's the best video-program on linux (imo) |
| 05:16.37 | xLobeznox | ok, I have sound using totem / xine |
| 05:16.38 | wols_ | flash_muppet: lspci -v |
| 05:16.45 | flash_muppet | yea thought about that ..:p |
| 05:16.46 | maestro[] | Hyperi: No, fix your apt stuff... try apt-get install -f |
| 05:16.48 | xLobeznox | hyde, I have no sound using mplayer |
| 05:16.48 | jetscreamer | yeah it worked in mplayer, i usually use xine though... worked in xine too |
| 05:16.50 | Hyperi | flash_muppet: Try looking at motherboard manufacturer page for that model it is. |
| 05:16.52 | Nyle | flash_muppet, look on the mother board, it should have a sticker on it with the model/serial and other info |
| 05:16.53 | xLobeznox | and I have installed all codecs |
| 05:16.59 | anihilator | wtf |
| 05:17.01 | xLobeznox | jetscreamer, in mplayer I have no sound |
| 05:17.03 | cafuego | What is the mobo? |
| 05:17.05 | flash_muppet | thanks guys |
| 05:17.13 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, do you have the w32codecs ? |
| 05:17.31 | Hyperi | maestro[]: Pasted the result. |
| 05:17.35 | Nyle | flash_muppet, look by the place where you insert the rj45 connecter and look on the motherboard and see what it says |
| 05:17.49 | xLobeznox | jetscreamer, yep |
| 05:17.50 | Hyperi | maestro[]: Or did you mean apt-get install -f package? |
| 05:18.03 | maestro[] | Hyperi: Nope |
| 05:18.11 | blafard | hi, I'm having trouble setting X resolutions. I have a Modeline "1024x768" ... line in my Monitor section but /var/log/X says (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name) |
| 05:18.13 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, not sure then (i don't usually use mplayer at all) |
| 05:18.38 | icytakfar | I need some help with sound, anyone willing? |
| 05:18.40 | wols_ | Hyperi: if after an update it still wants to instal that libc6 2.3 version, change your sources.list repositories |
| 05:18.54 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, it might be trying to use arts or oss or alsa and you're using one of the others |
| 05:18.56 | wols_ | icytakfar: after the reboot, are the alsa modules still loaded? |
| 05:19.02 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, you can set that somewhere |
| 05:19.07 | icytakfar | wols_: yes |
| 05:19.28 | wols_ | icytakfar: run alsamixer and reset it |
| 05:19.36 | maestro[] | Hyperi: Hm, no idea what to do then... something is broken :) |
| 05:19.44 | xLobeznox | maybe that I compiled mplayer with dpkg-buildpackage and I that dont use de ./configure result.. |
| 05:19.49 | icytakfar | wols_ all mixer controls are frozen until I rerun alsaconf |
| 05:19.56 | xLobeznox | I'll copy codecs in the path are needed |
| 05:19.56 | wols_ | there should be something in /etc/init.d/ from alsa which is run on startup |
| 05:20.16 | maestro[] | icytakfar: Compare lsmode before and after alsaconf |
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| 05:20.21 | wols_ | xLobeznox: you can get precompiled debs for mplayer, you know that? |
| 05:20.35 | icytakfar | wols_: k, hang on |
| 05:20.36 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, i just apt-get install it from marillat, /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 05:20.53 | xLobeznox | wols_, yep, but I compile it cause I need to compile'em for ppc |
| 05:21.00 | xLobeznox | so I compile them too in the PC |
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| 05:21.44 | wols_ | xLobeznox: another thing is, what does mplayer use for output? and is the outputfile openable (ie not locked by another process) |
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| 05:24.38 | icytakfar | ohh, that's sooo not fair--it worked that time |
| 05:24.58 | maestro[] | :) |
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| 05:26.08 | blafard | I am having trouble with resolution; I have ModeLine "blah" set but then I get Not using mode "blah" (no mode of this name) |
| 05:26.35 | icytakfar | goddamn it, I fixed it and i don't know how |
| 05:27.04 | icytakfar | thanks boy and girls |
| 05:27.13 | icytakfar | nite |
| 05:27.22 | jetscreamer | blafard, modelines are a lot longer than blah |
| 05:27.40 | blafard | jetscreamer, I know, I was abbreviating. I'll give you my full line. |
| 05:27.55 | jetscreamer | blafard, it works except now that you are trying to tweak up a modeline, you cant get that to go? |
| 05:27.59 | xLobeznox | jetscreamer, can you look in what path mplayer installed the codecs please |
| 05:28.08 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:28.23 | jetscreamer | blafard, or you're trying to just get it to work |
| 05:28.29 | dut | hi. i have a new 160gb hdd, what i need to do? Now, on computer installed 2 hdd: 40gb(system, slow) and 20gb(faster). Maybe copy system to 20gb hdd, and use 160gb hdd for /home? |
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| 05:29.07 | blafard | jetscreamer, I can't get any resolution except 640x480 and 640x400, both of which are built-in. |
| 05:29.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.15 | jetscreamer | no |
| 05:29.41 | maestro[] | dut: Installing the new disk and using it as /home might mbe a good idea |
| 05:29.59 | jetscreamer | blafard, do you have the monitor refresh rates set properly? |
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| 05:30.09 | blafard | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:30.20 | maestro[] | ehm |
| 05:30.31 | blafard | I have HorizSync 30-85, VertRefresh 48-120 |
| 05:30.40 | blafard | (on seperate lines, of course) |
| 05:31.06 | maestro[] | blafard: Are these values correct, and why are you using modelines? |
| 05:31.26 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, you tell me what the codecs are called and i'll tell you where they are |
| 05:31.40 | mwilson | blafard: Why are you writing modelines? |
| 05:32.00 | xLobeznox | Unpack the codecs archives and put the contents in a directory where MPlayer |
| 05:32.00 | xLobeznox | will find them. The default directory is /usr/local/lib/codecs/ (it used to be |
| 05:32.00 | xLobeznox | /usr/local/lib/win32 in the past, this also works) but you can change that to |
| 05:32.00 | xLobeznox | something else by using the '--with-codecsdir=DIR' option when you run |
| 05:32.00 | xLobeznox | './configure'. |
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| 05:32.01 | blafard | maestro[], i get the same error message if I don't put in modelines, which is something like "No mode of this name" |
| 05:32.07 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 05:32.09 | xLobeznox | sorry |
| 05:32.24 | dut | maestro[]: ok, thanks! |
| 05:32.41 | mwilson | blafard: If you think you need to write modelines, you are almost certainly mistaken. |
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| 05:33.03 | solar_ | how do I mount a winxp drive? |
| 05:33.05 | jetscreamer | blafard, under screens, subsection display, do you have a #Modes"1024x768" ? w/o the # |
| 05:33.07 | blafard | mwilson, that's fantastic because I wasn't liking it very much. Can you tell me what I should do instead? |
| 05:33.14 | blafard | jetscreamer, yes. |
| 05:33.14 | The_Vulture | solar_: man mount |
| 05:33.29 | mwilson | blafard: What in the world led you to believe that you needed to in the first place? |
| 05:33.37 | maestro[] | solar_: mount -t ntfs /dev/partition /mountmoint |
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| 05:33.57 | blafard | mwilson, man XF86Config-4. Yes, I know, a radical idea. |
| 05:34.21 | wols_ | solar_: mount -t smbfs //windowsIP/sharename /mnt |
| 05:34.24 | jetscreamer | /usr/lib/win32/aslcodec_dshow.dll |
| 05:34.24 | jetscreamer | /usr/lib/win32/aslcodec_vfw.dll |
| 05:34.24 | jetscreamer | /usr/lib/win32/l3codeca.acm |
| 05:34.26 | mwilson | blafard: Nothing in there would have told you that it was required. |
| 05:34.36 | wols_ | oops, ntfs... |
| 05:34.45 | mwilson | blafard: It certainly mentions the capacity, but doesn't tell you that you must. |
| 05:34.50 | blafard | mwilson, it said that they were usually built-in, but if they weren't, then this was how to do them. |
| 05:35.07 | mwilson | blafard: And what made you think they weren't "built-in"? |
| 05:35.18 | blafard | mwilson, and since the resolutions I wanted weren't being detected, I thought it was at least worth a try. |
| 05:35.46 | jetscreamer | blafard, if it was me, i'd restore the original, or do what line 16 says in XF86Config-4, and rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and feed it the correct values for the monitor refresh rates.. should "Just Work"(TM) |
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| 05:36.02 | mwilson | blafard: Supported resolutions aren't "detected", they're either there or not there depending on the refresh rates you set for the monitor. |
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| 05:36.09 | blafard | jetscreamer, that's of course what I did first. This is a fresh install. |
| 05:36.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:36.28 | jetscreamer | blafard, you might try google for modeline generator |
| 05:36.33 | mwilson | blafard: If it's a fresh install, what was wrong with the configuration the package created? |
| 05:36.36 | blafard | jetscreamer, I did that too. |
| 05:36.38 | jetscreamer | there is one, it's a spreadsheet |
| 05:36.39 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:36.49 | jetscreamer | k you know all i know |
| 05:36.50 | solar_ | how do I make the NTFS system to where the user can access it ? |
| 05:36.53 | blafard | mwilson, this was the problem I had with the install out of the box. |
| 05:37.16 | mwilson | blafard: We'll try again... what was wrong with the configuration the package created? |
| 05:37.17 | zeeble | solar_: man mount, man fstab |
| 05:37.22 | solar_ | I did mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /mnt/win |
| 05:37.25 | blafard | mwilson, 600x480 resolution |
| 05:37.35 | maestro[] | solar_: Is /mnt/win there? |
| 05:37.39 | jetscreamer | solar_, this works for me in fstab, change it for you /dev/hdb1/hdb1ntfsro,users,auto,exec,suid,gid=60,uid=1001,umask=00000 |
| 05:37.52 | Phated | Classy fstab. |
| 05:37.55 | solar_ | maestro[] yes, but I want user access not just root |
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| 05:38.02 | mwilson | blafard: And when the auto-configurator asked you during package install, what the monitor supported... what did you tell it? |
| 05:38.07 | Phated | solar_: Look at umasks. |
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| 05:38.28 | zignig | helix: ping! |
| 05:38.29 | blafard | mwilson, it had all the values already filled in; I assumed that meant it had detected them itself. |
| 05:38.41 | jetscreamer | it's kinda hacky since i didn't know what i was doing, i just made it work... i'm sure there's a more elegant way |
| 05:38.58 | jetscreamer | blafard, nah it doesn't detect it.. it does try |
| 05:38.59 | mwilson | blafard: Actually, I doubt it had anything filled in at all, but whatever. |
| 05:39.04 | Phated | zignig: Yeah if you get helix ask her if she's been with the bash3 people... I swear the colour scheme is all hers. :) |
| 05:39.10 | jetscreamer | blafard, do you have mdetect and read-edid installed? |
| 05:39.20 | mwilson | blafard: What did the log file say about the X startup? |
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| 05:39.45 | blafard | jetscreamer, yes. |
| 05:40.07 | mwilson | Phated: "color scheme"? |
| 05:40.15 | jetscreamer | oh and blafard if mwilson is being helpful be sure and do what he says.... he's an asshole but he knows his shit (:P@mwilson) |
| 05:40.25 | Phated | mwilson: My bad. The colours for files anyways. |
| 05:40.38 | blafard | mwilson, I will post a few lines from the log in #flood |
| 05:41.01 | mwilson | blafard: Is that necessary? Put the log file, the ORIGINAL log file, somewhere where people can see it. |
| 05:41.16 | mwilson | blafard: While you're at it, restore the original configuration. |
| 05:41.17 | xLobeznox | jetscreamer, do you have /home/your/.mplayer/codecs.conf ? |
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| 05:41.24 | zeeble | blacke: pastebin.com |
| 05:41.30 | maestro[] | blafard: Why are you using the vesa driver? |
| 05:41.35 | blafard | mwilson, how do you want me to restore the original configuration? |
| 05:41.40 | blafard | maestro[], it told me to. |
| 05:41.47 | zignig | Phated: bash3 ? |
| 05:41.53 | Phated | zignig: The latest bash. |
| 05:41.55 | maestro[] | blafard: What graphics card do you have? |
| 05:42.03 | zignig | ah. |
| 05:42.07 | Phated | Yes. |
| 05:42.14 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, no but i have /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf |
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| 05:42.38 | xLobeznox | can you paste it please |
| 05:42.42 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying to get the ppscsi module installed to use my HP Scanjet scanner, so i installed ppscsi-source and built it with module-assistant. but when i 'modprobe ppscsi' i get the message "FATAL: Error inserting ppscsi (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-686/ppscsi/ppscsi.ko): Invalid module format" |
| 05:42.49 | helix | zignig: pong |
| 05:42.52 | helix | Phated: eh? |
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| 05:43.01 | jetscreamer | blafard, read line 16 -18 of XF86Config-4, do that, the dpkg-reconfigure... restores default |
| 05:43.02 | mwilson | blafard: Didn't you save it somewhere? |
| 05:43.15 | jetscreamer | lol@mwilson |
| 05:43.18 | Phated | helix: The latest bash has your fingerprints all over it. :) Kind of. |
| 05:43.22 | blafard | mwilson, I've posted the log at the following URL: |
| 05:43.24 | helix | Phated: how? |
| 05:43.30 | mwilson | Ew, take parallel port HP scanner out and shoot it. |
| 05:43.45 | mwilson | For what a new scanner would cost, it's not worth screwing with it. |
| 05:44.01 | Fosten | using mousedev module with 2.6.8 kernel... when modprobe'd, everything is fine.... when loaded into /etc/module... cursor is frozen in x upon boot... any ideas? |
| 05:44.06 | Phated | helix: First thing I thought when I did a ls under it was that it looked an awful lot like your xterms. |
| 05:44.10 | blafard | http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~blafard/XFree86.0.log |
| 05:44.24 | jetscreamer | Fosten, got psmouse in too? |
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| 05:44.35 | helix | Phated: screenshot? |
| 05:44.39 | wols_ | Hyperi: irssi can be installed with "apt-get install irssi-text" btw |
| 05:44.47 | maestro[] | blafard: What graphics card do you have? |
| 05:45.02 | jetscreamer | heh good1 maestro[] |
| 05:45.04 | Phated | helix: Meh, after I get X again. :| |
| 05:45.09 | mwilson | Isn't an i810 directly supported by some driver or other now? |
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| 05:45.20 | jetscreamer | i810 iirc |
| 05:45.20 | xLobeznox | can you paste it please jetscreamer /etc/mplayer/codecs-conf in a query |
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| 05:46.13 | maestro[] | jetscreamer: Well, it looks like he's using the vesa driver... |
| 05:46.13 | blafard | maestro[], sorry, lspci says VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03). Is that good enough? |
| 05:46.13 | mwilson | blafard: Where's the configuration file? |
| 05:46.22 | wols_ | mwilson: it is. i810. and also has a driver for it as well |
| 05:46.28 | wols_ | i810 = AC97 |
| 05:46.40 | wols_ | oops. video, not audio |
| 05:46.45 | mwilson | wols_: Uh, somehow I doubt that. |
| 05:46.49 | Fosten | jetscreamer: yes, but why would that conflict on boot and not with modprobe mousedev? and if that is the problem, how would i unload that module upon boot? |
| 05:46.51 | babadi | hey, I'm using GNOME with Debian... it installed Mozilla 1.7, and I'd like to replace it with Firefox, but it won't allow me to remove Mozilla without removing the entire GNOME environment... is there a way around that? |
| 05:47.04 | mwilson | babadi: No, YOU installed Mozilla. |
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| 05:47.31 | mwilson | babadi: Gnome does not depend on Mozilla. |
| 05:47.38 | wols_ | and yes, xfree86.org says i810 is supported since 2000. so even woody should support it :) |
| 05:48.06 | maestro[] | babadi: What happens if you apt-get install mozilla-firefox? |
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| 05:48.12 | blafard | mwilson, now posted at the same base URL |
| 05:48.20 | babadi | mwilson: so when I do "apt-get remove mozilla" why do I get: "The following packages will be REMOVED: epiphany-browser gnome gnome-desktop-environment mozilla-browser mozilla-psm" |
| 05:48.38 | blafard | mwilson, http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~blafard/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:48.40 | Phated | Meh, gnome is a metapackage, isn't it. |
| 05:48.41 | zeeble | babadi: that does'nt mean gnome will be removed. |
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| 05:49.10 | mwilson | blafard: That's not the original configuration file. |
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| 05:49.39 | Phazor | Whats the advantage to gnome over KDE, seems kde is a better choice. they both are almost the same though |
| 05:49.40 | blafard | mwilson, I know, I've been answering questions and posting files, I'm getting to that, sorry. |
| 05:49.42 | maestro[] | blafard: Hm, first thing you should try IMHO is setting the intel graphics driver |
| 05:49.46 | babadi | maestro[]: oh? what does it mean? |
| 05:49.52 | blafard | maestro[], how do I do that? |
| 05:49.57 | Phazor | other than kde being easier to see technical stuff |
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| 05:50.03 | mwilson | Phazor: If you think KDE is a better choice, then why aren't you using it? |
| 05:50.20 | maestro[] | babadi: That would install mozilla-firefox without removing mozilla, but apt-get remove mozilla does not remove gnome |
| 05:50.26 | Phazor | im under winxp atm because HL2 is coming out, =( |
| 05:50.26 | Phated | Meh, xfce4. :) |
| 05:50.32 | maestro[] | babadi: So your Problem has gone :) |
| 05:50.44 | Phazor | i was just wondering, not criticising, if there were any cool featuers im missing out |
| 05:50.45 | mwilson | Phazor: "technical stuff"? |
| 05:50.59 | maestro[] | babadi: replace vesa with i810 iirc |
| 05:51.01 | cafuego | mwilson: gcc output. |
| 05:51.05 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, http://hfds.com/files/mplayer/--> codecs.conf input.conf mencoder_codecs.conf menu.conf mplayer.conf |
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| 05:51.10 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmm xfce4 |
| 05:51.12 | Phated | Phazor: You're on WinXP, you're missing out on stuff like reliability. :) |
| 05:51.24 | mwilson | cafuego: Excuse me? What does that have to do with either Gnome or KDE? :) |
| 05:51.30 | blafard | maestro[], was that last for me? |
| 05:51.36 | scarynetworkguy | Like having a TCP/IP stack that doesn't suck and blow at the same time. |
| 05:51.43 | maestro[] | blafard: du, yes |
| 05:51.44 | Phazor | my other computer is on debian, my laptop is on fedora my brothers is on gentoo, we try all flavors, debian seems best atm |
| 05:51.46 | cafuego | mwilson: It's "technical stuff". |
| 05:51.56 | maestro[] | babadi: gnome is a meta package |
| 05:52.16 | mwilson | cafuego: You're funny. |
| 05:52.24 | Phated | Phazor: What does that have to do with Gnome/KDE? |
| 05:52.29 | cafuego | mwilson: Especially in relation to his brother's gentoo box. |
| 05:52.34 | blafard | if I do startx -- :002 will that test new settings or do I have to shut down this X session as well? |
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| 05:52.46 | Phazor | i was just wondering if there are any advantages to gnome over kde |
| 05:52.55 | Phazor | most people i know, and myself use kde |
| 05:53.00 | cafuego | Phazor: It's faster and less ugly, so yes. |
| 05:53.01 | Phated | cafuego: Well if he -really- wanted technical stuff, tongue firmly in cheek here, he'd just use the CLI. |
| 05:53.02 | maestro[] | blafard: will test new settings |
| 05:53.06 | Hyperi | cafuego: Thank you for your help aswell - Got it working now (Tho in testing-release) |
| 05:53.09 | wols_ | Phazor: tha name "gnome" is longer than "kde" |
| 05:53.15 | Phated | Harder to type? |
| 05:53.24 | Phazor | ahh on my machines if i click something it instantly pops up |
| 05:53.33 | JVaughn | my mom was killed by a gnome in 1856.. i don't trust those little fuckers |
| 05:53.37 | Pyguy | Phazor, GNOME and KDE are far too large to just compare them with a list of features/disadvantages. They both worth on many different levels |
| 05:53.37 | cafuego | click? |
| 05:53.38 | blafard | maestro[], I think that worked |
| 05:53.40 | JVaughn | fluxbox :) |
| 05:53.42 | cafuego | wtf uses a mouse? |
| 05:53.47 | Phated | Well if you have a fast machine who cares whether you use gnome or KDE? |
| 05:53.50 | Phated | cafuego: gpm. :) |
| 05:53.56 | maestro[] | blafard: Nice... so you have the right resolution now? |
| 05:54.04 | Phazor | if your on a slow machine use fvwm or blackbox |
| 05:54.05 | cafuego | Phated: 'screen' and ^[ |
| 05:54.08 | blafard | yes, thank you very much. |
| 05:54.12 | Phated | cafuego: Ah you win. |
| 05:54.20 | mwilson | blafard: Lose the modeline. |
| 05:54.30 | blafard | mwilson, I will. |
| 05:54.34 | cafuego | Phazor: I suggest you click OpenOffice then. |
| 05:54.38 | Phated | Phazor: SO if you're on a fast machine who cares? Do what you will. |
| 05:54.40 | blafard | why did the configurator suggest vesa? |
| 05:54.49 | wols_ | scarynetworkguy: cat /bin/ls <- that's "technical stuff" |
| 05:55.07 | Phazor | Openoffice takes 3.2 seconds to load in kde |
| 05:55.07 | maestro[] | blafard: No idea... vesa works with many cards, but it has lot's of disadvantages |
| 05:55.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: By "fast machine" do you mean TRANSLTR? |
| 05:55.10 | zeeble | blafard: coz it did'nt know any better. it needs some human input... to atleast choose the driver for the i810e |
| 05:55.12 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: heh. |
| 05:55.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah that would be the NSA's problem. |
| 05:55.21 | Phated | Vesa is like generic or something. |
| 05:55.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nod* |
| 05:55.32 | maestro[] | JVaughn: Sorry for asking, but what is a gnome? |
| 05:55.50 | JVaughn | maestro - little elf looking thing... live in trees and stuff? |
| 05:55.57 | Phated | maestro[]: It's a little man. Like a dwarf, but cuter. Kind of. |
| 05:55.59 | wols_ | maestro[]: a small wizard/illusionist in Bioware D&D games |
| 05:56.00 | Phazor | a gnome is a mythical creature that displays icons on a desktop |
| 05:56.07 | Phated | JVaughn: I thought they lived in the ground. |
| 05:56.13 | JVaughn | or in the ground i don't know ;) |
| 05:56.16 | maestro[] | oh, it's what I thought it to be then |
| 05:56.19 | Phated | Ah either way I guess. |
| 05:56.31 | blafard | thanks for the help. |
| 05:56.33 | Phated | Phazor: No that's the woodpecker behind your monitor glass. |
| 05:56.33 | maestro[] | JVaughn: So that stuff with your mother was a joke? |
| 05:56.40 | Phated | maestro[]: I hope so. :) |
| 05:56.45 | maestro[] | aha |
| 05:56.46 | maestro[] | haha |
| 05:56.47 | JVaughn | maestro - hehe yes :) |
| 05:57.01 | jetscreamer | xLobeznox, you get those? |
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| 05:59.00 | mwilson | I *so* need to get this other disk array assembled. |
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| 05:59.20 | babadi | sorry, what I meant to say was, why does the fact that removing Mozilla removes the gnome and gnome-desktop-environment packages mean that GNOME itself remains intact? |
| 05:59.41 | Phated | Because gnome and gnome-desktop-environment are metapackages. |
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| 06:00.18 | Phated | That aren't actually packages, they're just packages that depend on the actual gnome files, so they can be removed, like the package mozilla itself. |
| 06:00.21 | Phated | They* |
| 06:00.21 | babadi | ohh, so the actual GNOME "stuff" is located in other packages? |
| 06:00.32 | jetscreamer | one package to rule them all, one package to bind them |
| 06:00.34 | maestro[] | babadi: right |
| 06:00.38 | Phazor | it just GETS gnome when it needs it |
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| 06:00.44 | Phated | Yes in things like, gnome-cups-manager, gnome-system-tools, and so on. |
| 06:00.46 | Phazor | it doesnt INCLUDE gnome as part of the package |
| 06:00.49 | mwilson | What idiot made the Gnome metapackages depend on a web browser? |
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| 06:00.55 | Phated | *shrugs* |
| 06:01.03 | Phated | And why wasn't it Galeon or something. |
| 06:01.10 | Phazor | mwilson: i did |
| 06:01.12 | jetscreamer | what idiot made gnome depend on evolution, and evolution on pim shit |
| 06:01.12 | maestro[] | mwilson: well, check the dependencies of gnome-desktop-environment |
| 06:01.16 | Phated | Phazor: Oh. |
| 06:01.22 | Phazor | not for this distro |
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| 06:01.27 | mwilson | maestro[]: Yes, I think I just said that. |
| 06:01.29 | babadi | I see... so there's no harm in my removing it then, I guess? |
| 06:01.35 | Phazor | but in the past i used custom builds |
| 06:01.35 | Phated | Phazor: It's all your fault! ;) |
| 06:01.41 | jetscreamer | not after you get what you want from it |
| 06:01.43 | Phated | babadi: That's what we've been saying, yes. |
| 06:01.52 | Phazor | and it works out well cause i can basicly install one thing and it trees out and installs a ton of stuff |
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| 06:02.09 | Phazor | cuts number of commands I have to do |
| 06:02.11 | maestro[] | mwilson: Ehm, I just wanted to show you that it depends on many many things which are not _needed_ (but nice to have) |
| 06:02.14 | Phated | But why a browser? And why not galeon? :) |
| 06:02.21 | babadi | got it... okay, thanks for the explanations, all... have a good one |
| 06:02.24 | maestro[] | mwilson: like gpdf and all |
| 06:02.28 | Phated | Have a nice day. |
| 06:02.40 | mwilson | You know, I hadn't looked at the stupidity that is Gnome dependencies in a very long time... it wants to force *gnomemeeting*? Please. |
| 06:02.57 | Phated | Meh you can always remove it later. |
| 06:03.09 | maestro[] | mwilson: No one forces you to use that meta package... |
| 06:03.20 | mwilson | maestro[]: True enough. But cluebies will. |
| 06:03.34 | scarynetworkguy | Meh, it's all bloatware anyway. |
| 06:03.36 | jetscreamer | i tried to remove atkaccessibility tonight... wanted to take most every gnome package with it |
| 06:03.42 | maestro[] | dondelelcaro: lol |
| 06:03.51 | Phated | jetscreamer: Well that sucks. |
| 06:03.53 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yeah, but cluebies are the ones who would complain because gnomemeeting and gnome-whatever aren't actually installed by gnome... |
| 06:04.01 | zignig | scarynetworkguy: buzybox and a morse key is your 'pooter of choice huh ? |
| 06:04.03 | Phated | dondelelcaro: You've got a whole distro agreeing! :) |
| 06:04.20 | scarynetworkguy | cool. |
| 06:04.27 | Phated | zignig: You kidding? His keyboard has two things. A binary toggle and an enter key. :) |
| 06:04.33 | joseg | i'm getting error while apt-get -f install "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) please help me |
| 06:04.49 | dondelelcaro | joseg: paste the entire output using paster or #flood |
| 06:04.51 | scarynetworkguy | That's all you really need. :D |
| 06:04.57 | Phated | Heh. |
| 06:04.59 | zignig | Phated: _and_ an enter key , LUXURY ; when I was a boy........ |
| 06:05.01 | jetscreamer | just use dselect and it won't frickin break |
| 06:05.10 | Phated | zignig: Hahaha. |
| 06:05.15 | wols_ | scarynetworkguy: since when do you use an enter key? |
| 06:05.34 | jetscreamer | dselect will fix that i bet joseg |
| 06:05.36 | Phated | mwilson: Yeah OK stop laughing we don't need you choking on something. |
| 06:05.45 | Phated | What's gnopernicus anyways? |
| 06:05.50 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yeah, the gdm thing is because kdm is installed by default if you select the desktop task... |
| 06:05.51 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: I finally gave in to some "modern" stuff. |
| 06:05.51 | mwilson | *gdm* is only a Suggests... <giggle> |
| 06:05.54 | jetscreamer | star thingy i think |
| 06:05.59 | Phated | Or should I just consider ignorance bliss? :) |
| 06:06.03 | jetscreamer | !find gnopernicus |
| 06:06.06 | dpkg | gnopernicus: (Screen reader for GNOME 2), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1172 kB, Installed size: 4832 kB |
| 06:06.07 | Phated | mwilson: Yeah sheesh chill! :) |
| 06:06.13 | Phated | Ah a screen reader, nice. |
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| 06:06.19 | TekEmperor | how do I make my computer play sound. |
| 06:06.21 | TekEmperor | ? |
| 06:06.23 | maestro[] | Phated: That's for blind people AFAIk |
| 06:06.24 | mwilson | Phated: it doesn't work. |
| 06:06.27 | dondelelcaro | TekEmperor: /msg dpkg audio |
| 06:06.28 | joseg | what do i choose jetscreamer? 1,2,3,4,5 |
| 06:06.32 | Phated | maestro[]: Yeah. |
| 06:06.41 | pwned | are there any text to speech engines other than festival which can read out a text file ? |
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| 06:06.43 | Phated | mwilson: Well maybe that's why it's a recommend. |
| 06:06.48 | jetscreamer | add yourself to the audio group, enable the sound in kde or whatever, turn up the volume |
| 06:06.51 | mwilson | Phated: Last time I paid any attention to it, unless the application was a Gnome one, you could forget about it. |
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| 06:06.53 | joseg | #flood |
| 06:06.59 | maestro[] | pwned: mbrola/hadifix |
| 06:07.05 | xLobeznox | gnopernicus.. I would like to understand "braillie output" in a screen |
| 06:07.07 | Phated | mwilson: Ahh. |
| 06:07.08 | jetscreamer | joseg go down to 2, then just hit enter a lot |
| 06:07.10 | xLobeznox | I dont understand :? |
| 06:07.12 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 06:07.13 | dpkg | methinks fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 06:07.25 | guestish | xLobeznox: you are blind? |
| 06:07.28 | xLobeznox | no |
| 06:07.32 | wols_ | pwned: ATT natural voices. payware tho |
| 06:07.41 | guestish | xLobeznox: you can buy bralle displays for many thousands of dollars |
| 06:07.43 | Phated | wols_: Works on 'nux? |
| 06:07.44 | xLobeznox | but is not posible to use braillie in a screen |
| 06:07.49 | xLobeznox | ahhh |
| 06:07.50 | xLobeznox | ok |
| 06:07.54 | sussudio | itsasmallworldafterall |
| 06:07.57 | wols_ | Phated: they say they have a version for it |
| 06:08.00 | scarynetworkguy | zignig: Yeah me and Cray were tight. :) |
| 06:08.04 | Phated | wols_: Ah. |
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| 06:08.32 | scarynetworkguy | Didn't IBM just open Viavoice? |
| 06:08.40 | mwilson | <snigger> and ttf-bitstream-vera is only a Suggests for gnome-core! |
| 06:08.53 | jetscreamer | joseg, after yo umove the cursor down to 2, you hit enter a LOT till the program exits |
| 06:08.53 | wols_ | Phated: 295$ for it. and 50$ per "font". I guess they mean "per voice" |
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| 06:08.54 | maestro[] | scarynetworkguy: isn't viavoice the other way round? |
| 06:08.55 | mwilson | Doesn't Gnome still have a snit-fit and die if it can't find Vera? |
| 06:09.01 | vkd | anyone got experience with mdadm? in raid1 setup, if one hd is damaged, and the box comes back with 1 drive, and the other removed. What's the "recovery" procedure there? |
| 06:09.02 | Phated | wols_: Yeah per voice. |
| 06:09.08 | xLobeznox | http://www.indexbrailleasia.com/Images/alva/544_Product_02_LR.jpg |
| 06:09.10 | xLobeznox | i see |
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| 06:09.11 | maestro[] | scarynetworkguy: you speak, computer writes... speak2txt |
| 06:09.14 | Phated | mwilson: Maybe it doesn't... *giggle* |
| 06:09.17 | mwilson | vkd: Not to use mdadm. |
| 06:09.17 | wols_ | maestro[]: viavoice has TTS as well. but not as good as natural voices |
| 06:09.26 | maestro[] | oh, didn't know that |
| 06:09.36 | scarynetworkguy | maestro[]: I dunno. |
| 06:09.36 | xLobeznox | I have ttf-dustin and ttf-bitstream-vera |
| 06:09.37 | xLobeznox | umm |
| 06:09.37 | vkd | mwilson, ok, and use what? raidtools are better? |
| 06:09.49 | mwilson | vkd: Anything is better than mdadm. |
| 06:10.03 | TekEmperor | dondelelcaro, thanks a lot. |
| 06:10.06 | jetscreamer | why is only one of my ata66 drives going at 66? the others are @ 33 |
| 06:10.07 | mwilson | vkd: All you should have to do is add the missing disk back to the array. |
| 06:10.31 | vkd | mwilson, that's what I am trying to figure out. I did mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hdg1 but it added it as a hot spare |
| 06:10.38 | vkd | not secondary |
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| 06:10.47 | jetscreamer | i've done/checked all the obvious stuff |
| 06:10.59 | mwilson | vkd: Did you remove the failed drive first? |
| 06:11.03 | dondelelcaro | TekEmperor: np |
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| 06:11.19 | vkd | mwilson, no, it did it: 1 0 0 - removed |
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| 06:11.31 | mwilson | vkd: That's not what I asked you, now is it? |
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| 06:11.43 | vkd | mwilson, no, I didn't remove it |
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| 06:12.13 | mwilson | vkd: Why not? |
| 06:12.24 | vkd | I didn't realize I needed to |
| 06:12.36 | mwilson | vkd: You see an advantage to having the dead drive installed? |
| 06:12.47 | vkd | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.47 | vkd | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:12.52 | vkd | it looks liek ti's removed |
| 06:12.58 | scarynetworkguy | vkd: not here for Loki's sake. |
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| 06:13.06 | mwilson | Ew, you're using devfs. You're on your own. |
| 06:13.06 | vkd | there is not even an indication of what to remove |
| 06:13.08 | joseg | root@windows_xp:/home/joseg# apt-get -f install |
| 06:13.08 | joseg | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 06:13.08 | joseg | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 06:13.08 | joseg | Correcting dependencies... Done |
| 06:13.08 | joseg | The following extra packages will be installed: |
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| 06:13.14 | vkd | scarynetworkguy, 2 lines ??? common, give me a break |
| 06:13.40 | scarynetworkguy | vkd: nope see what 2 lines leads to. It's "gateway pasting". |
| 06:13.41 | vkd | mwilson, oh, common |
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| 06:14.16 | vkd | alright, well, thanks anyways... I'll try to remove it |
| 06:14.26 | mwilson | vkd: fsck no, I'm not getting involved in devfs stupidity. |
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| 06:14.38 | jetscreamer | that's right goddammit, dselect baby. [00.13.11] <joseg> Correcting dependencies... Done [00.13.11] <joseg> The following extra packages will be installed: |
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| 06:15.08 | jetscreamer | joseg, hit enter a lot till the program exits |
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| 06:15.18 | jetscreamer | don't paste, hit enter. |
| 06:15.23 | TestiCalls | yo.. |
| 06:15.25 | joseg | ok |
| 06:15.33 | TestiCalls | anyone really smart about networks? |
| 06:15.33 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:15.44 | jetscreamer | no |
| 06:15.46 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: maybe |
| 06:15.56 | jetscreamer | esp that dude over there |
| 06:15.58 | sussudio | !tell TestiCalls about polls |
| 06:16.28 | TestiCalls | maestro[] can i pm you |
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| 06:16.38 | sussudio | !msg |
| 06:16.38 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 06:16.43 | ethan_ | I'm having trouble getting KDE programs to display certain Chinese characters. Specifically flashcard won't display either of the characters in dian4shi4 (among others). Firefox seems OK with it though. |
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| 06:17.00 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: better you just write what you want and I can decide whether I know abouti t or not |
| 06:17.08 | TestiCalls | right |
| 06:17.25 | jetscreamer | <joseg> Correcting dependencies... Done <joseg> The following extra packages will be installed |
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| 06:17.50 | TestiCalls | i'm setting up a network at my school.. i had originated with a plan but i'm having second thoughts.. i'd like to present with what we're trying to accomplish and with what we have and perhaps you guys could offer a better suggestion on how to do it |
| 06:18.09 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:18.10 | joseg | <jetscreamer> i did dselect bu no luck so far.. |
| 06:18.11 | TestiCalls | currently we have 3 experiments and 4 computers.. one computer would be the server and all the computers have 2 nics currently in them |
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| 06:18.20 | TestiCalls | 1 of the two nics is 1gigabit and the other is 100mb |
| 06:18.23 | jetscreamer | joseg did they all d/l and install or what |
| 06:18.27 | TestiCalls | i have them all connected to a switch |
| 06:18.35 | TestiCalls | also that switch connects to the IT/internet |
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| 06:18.52 | TestiCalls | the goal of the project is to allow remote users to log-in and use the experiments that we have |
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| 06:19.23 | marcux | hello, some one can help me with crontab, it is very easy: execute a process from monday until friday |
| 06:19.24 | TestiCalls | currently to persuade that goal we will be using matlab web server(www.mathworks.com) and the explanation on how that program works is as follows: |
| 06:19.27 | wols_ | what's a good way to test the max throughput of a LAN connection between two hosts (crossover)? |
| 06:19.37 | jm_ | marcux: man 5 crontab |
| 06:19.45 | TestiCalls | the user goes to www..xxx..com and submits a form |
| 06:19.56 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 06:20.03 | jm_ | wols_: read from /dev/zero on one side, send it to /dev/null on the other say (say with nc) |
| 06:20.09 | TestiCalls | the form calls a cgi script which opens up matlab and processes the data and returns as another page with the results |
| 06:20.10 | marcux | ok jm_ |
| 06:20.32 | TestiCalls | i guess to start is that i was planning on using both nics specifically for different functions |
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| 06:20.38 | wols_ | jm_: no easy to use, apt-gettable solution? |
| 06:20.46 | jm_ | wols_: or cpipe, netpipe, netperf ... |
| 06:20.47 | TestiCalls | the 1 gigabit would give big files to the server, etc. anything remote clients need |
| 06:20.49 | wols_ | didn't want to script something here myself :) |
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| 06:20.55 | marcux | ready, jm: it was very easy!!! |
| 06:20.56 | jm_ | you don't have to script anything |
| 06:20.57 | TestiCalls | the 100mb would be available only for the local network. |
| 06:21.01 | jm_ | marcux: indeed |
| 06:21.02 | wols_ | jm_: thankgs for the suggestions. that's what I wanted :) |
| 06:21.09 | TestiCalls | is anyone reading what i'm putting or should i just stop? |
| 06:21.10 | joseg | <jetscreamer> now I don't know what's going on? |
| 06:21.15 | jm_ | wols_: next time : apt-cache search throughput |
| 06:21.19 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: yes |
| 06:21.26 | TestiCalls | k |
| 06:21.34 | marcux | sorry jm_ i am a new user..... knoppix, you know.... desktop user |
| 06:21.44 | TestiCalls | so the first question is this |
| 06:21.45 | wols_ | jm_: or a good search term. equally good |
| 06:21.47 | mwilson | marcux: Knoppix != Debian. |
| 06:21.49 | jm_ | marcux: well just learn to read the docs and you'll do fine |
| 06:21.54 | jetscreamer | joseg, what do you mean dude :) |
| 06:21.58 | TestiCalls | should i setup a domain or is that not necessary, if yes than what's the purpose of a domain.. |
| 06:22.11 | Hyperi | What do you people suggest as identd? Seems like my oidentd doesn't work... |
| 06:22.18 | sussudio | TestiCalls: i'm still trying to find out how this has anything to do with debian whatsoever |
| 06:22.23 | mwilson | Hyperi: "seems like"? |
| 06:22.25 | marcux | i know knoppix is not debian jm_ but DEMUDI doesnt work on my video card :-( |
| 06:22.26 | Hyperi | Or atleast it doesn't return to any ircd the right value :/ |
| 06:22.31 | TestiCalls | second.. should the setup look as the following: http://ibolmo.no-ip.info/scheme.PNG |
| 06:22.31 | joseg | <jetscreamer> i still get an error while runing apt-get -f install |
| 06:22.32 | Hyperi | mwilson: :) |
| 06:22.36 | TestiCalls | the server is a debian |
| 06:22.49 | sussudio | TestiCalls: do you have a question concerning debian? |
| 06:22.50 | mwilson | Hyperi: Why does a question rate a smirk? |
| 06:23.01 | joseg | <jetscreamer> Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 06:23.01 | joseg | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.03 | TestiCalls | i'm used to windows.. hence why my planning is critical.. the more focused/organized the less reading and faster i can finish this project |
| 06:23.23 | jetscreamer | joseg, did dselect error out, or sucessfully compleat. #flood dude |
| 06:23.24 | VolVE | hey all, from the cli, how can I change my system to use a static IP instead of DHCP? :-/ the dhcpclient.conf seems to be no help, and /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.lease has 2 entries in now... ugh |
| 06:23.25 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: The advantage of a domain name server is that you have a central database of the hostnames... this is generally a good thing for such a project |
| 06:23.36 | Phated | "the less reading"? Nice. |
| 06:23.41 | TestiCalls | yes that would seem so |
| 06:23.53 | TestiCalls | second.. is the idea of using both nics at the same time feasible? |
| 06:24.03 | TestiCalls | is it a matter of setting up the routing tables correctly? |
| 06:24.09 | wols_ | TestiCalls: use them for what? |
| 06:24.15 | Hyperi | mwilson: Because I get no response from it. |
| 06:24.16 | scarynetworkguy | Using less to read stuff seems reasonable to me. |
| 06:24.17 | guestish | TestiCalls: sure, especially for pass through routing |
| 06:24.24 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: It need some hacks, but you can do that... you can use one nic for a specific range of ports for example |
| 06:24.29 | wols_ | e.g. what kind of traffic will you generate which saturates a Gb LAN? |
| 06:24.33 | guestish | TestiCalls: if you mean for doubling your internet speed, i doubt it |
| 06:24.34 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: But you have to think about 2 things |
| 06:24.34 | TestiCalls | I have two nics.. one is a gigbit the other is 100mb.. can i use one to do certain jobs the other to do another? |
| 06:24.55 | Hyperi | mwilson: Aswell /var/log/debug gives started/terminated message :) |
| 06:24.56 | guestish | TestiCalls: well you can set them to access two different ip ranges or something like that...i think |
| 06:25.02 | TestiCalls | right the Gbit i assume would handle any video transfer.. we'll have 3 webcameras each on a computer |
| 06:25.03 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: First of all, don't forget that 100mbit is just 10% of 1gbit |
| 06:25.09 | TestiCalls | the cameras will save the file and pass to the server |
| 06:25.11 | marcux | ok, jm_ if i want to shutdown my PC every day at 8am, but not saturday and sunday, I should put in crontab: 00 8* * 1-5root init -n |
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| 06:25.16 | TestiCalls | understood maestro |
| 06:25.25 | sussudio | "The Hardee's fast food chain has rolled out its new 1,400-calorie Monster Thickburger, with 107 grams of fat" |
| 06:25.33 | mwilson | marcux: What's that supposed to do? |
| 06:25.34 | guestish | TestiCalls: but you have to have cat6 cable |
| 06:25.38 | guestish | TestiCalls: you know that right? |
| 06:25.40 | TestiCalls | yeah |
| 06:25.44 | guestish | k |
| 06:25.47 | jm_ | marcux: init -n ? why don't you use poweroff command ? |
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| 06:25.52 | marcux | shutdown the PC at 8 am |
| 06:25.52 | TestiCalls | heh hardware i'm well aware of things |
| 06:25.56 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: And what services do you want to run there? You mentioned webcams |
| 06:26.09 | TestiCalls | software and more specific the network side is my least favorite |
| 06:26.09 | marcux | jm_ because init -n jut work fine! |
| 06:26.12 | joseg | #flood root@windows_xp:/home/joseg# apt-get -f install |
| 06:26.12 | joseg | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 06:26.12 | joseg | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 06:26.12 | joseg | Correcting dependencies... Done |
| 06:26.12 | joseg | The following extra packages will be installed: |
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| 06:26.12 | mwilson | marcux: And you wouldn't just use 'shutdown' because...? |
| 06:26.14 | TestiCalls | right |
| 06:26.18 | TestiCalls | here are the services per computer |
| 06:26.28 | jetscreamer | sheesh, i told him flood |
| 06:26.34 | jm_ | marcux: get used to shutdown command, it's much more standard way to deal with this |
| 06:26.41 | sussudio | !tell joseg about flood |
| 06:26.44 | Phated | jetscreamer: We seem to tell a lot of people flood. |
| 06:26.46 | sussudio | !tell joseg about moron joseg |
| 06:26.47 | jetscreamer | joseg, /join #flood ,him not here dude |
| 06:27.01 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:27.02 | marcux | becasue shutdown send me tu init, and doesnt shutdown the sistem |
| 06:27.22 | TestiCalls | on the experiments is going to run matlab web server, wincon client, and wincon server, very minimal operations.. anything regarding network usage would include passing small 1mb files across the network to provide to anyone looking for the information (NOT an ftp.. more like a form submission result--aka dB) and of course the web cameras |
| 06:27.26 | marcux | jm_ ok, i have used: shutdown -r -n -time 7:59 |
| 06:27.37 | Nyle | MarcN, man shutdown |
| 06:27.56 | Nyle | marcux, * |
| 06:28.06 | TestiCalls | i've made sure the computers are very fast.. so that would not be bottle neck |
| 06:28.14 | jm_ | marcux: don't use -n option - and you don't have to specify time when calling it from crontab |
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| 06:28.16 | marcux | _jm jejej, i should go to #Debian-novatos...jeje |
| 06:28.20 | jetscreamer | joseg, /join #flood |
| 06:28.25 | guestish | TestiCalls: what kind of experiments? |
| 06:28.40 | jetscreamer | lol@guestish |
| 06:28.52 | TestiCalls | One is an inverted pendulum, ball and beam, and tortional plant... basically control experiments |
| 06:28.54 | guestish | jetscreamer: what?? |
| 06:28.57 | joseg | ok |
| 06:28.59 | jetscreamer | a big detailed list he posted |
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| 06:29.08 | guestish | bah, i wasnt here |
| 06:29.09 | jetscreamer | many lines |
| 06:29.10 | TestiCalls | locally we run data aquasition in real-time and gather data and process it |
| 06:29.10 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 06:29.19 | marcux | jm_ yes, it is just i have been using GNU/Linux since only 7 monts |
| 06:29.26 | TestiCalls | remotely we just need to at least get the experiment running |
| 06:29.32 | TestiCalls | i'm thinking ahead right now |
| 06:29.36 | TestiCalls | that's all |
| 06:29.37 | joseg | <jetscreamer> Dude, how do I paste my errors? |
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| 06:30.04 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: Hm, you could try to measure the network load |
| 06:30.15 | TestiCalls | how would i do that |
| 06:30.16 | marcux | jm_ i am just a desktop user, and GNU doesnt make easy this things to me |
| 06:30.29 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: Because I don't think that il will need > 1gbit |
| 06:30.32 | TestiCalls | maestro still think we should continue this discussion in the chat? |
| 06:30.35 | marcux | jm_ very thanks, it was really usefull |
| 06:30.42 | guestish | TestiCalls: wmnetmon could probably do it |
| 06:30.57 | marcux | you, guys, are doing a really good job |
| 06:31.12 | guestish | though there are probably a million programs.. |
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| 06:31.30 | TestiCalls | heh sure guestish i'll keep that one in mind |
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| 06:31.39 | wols_ | TestiCalls: iptraf |
| 06:32.06 | TestiCalls | right now i'm interested int he arrangement |
| 06:32.08 | wols_ | wmnetmon sounds like it needs X. not good on a server usually :) |
| 06:32.17 | guestish | heh, good point ;) |
| 06:32.17 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: Well, theres not much to say about it anyway... if you'd have one service which would make a huge load of traffic, I'd separe the two networks (with two different switches)... the rest is fine |
| 06:32.19 | TestiCalls | could you guys go to http://ibolmo.no-ip.info/scheme.PNG and tell me if you think that's a good setup |
| 06:32.27 | guestish | it looks like it was just the client though |
| 06:33.00 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: separate* |
| 06:33.26 | guestish | dmachinemon looks interesting |
| 06:33.29 | TestiCalls | well i made the mistake of getting us a 16port switch |
| 06:33.37 | TestiCalls | so i doubt we'll handle another switch |
| 06:33.47 | TestiCalls | but then again i doubt both nics would bog all others down |
| 06:33.49 | TestiCalls | so we'll see |
| 06:33.58 | TekEmperor | Okay, looking for a widely compatible TV application. |
| 06:34.07 | TestiCalls | as you can see the computers have NIC A and NIC B |
| 06:34.08 | guestish | TestiCalls: why did you get 2 nics? |
| 06:34.11 | guestish | TekEmperor: tvtime |
| 06:34.19 | wols_ | TestiCalls: I just don't see the point of using two NICs on the clients. they just won't saturate Gb ethernet |
| 06:34.21 | TestiCalls | well it came as a surprise |
| 06:34.26 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: Well, I think that seup is ok... there's not much you could change :) |
| 06:34.30 | TekEmperor | guestish, thank you. |
| 06:34.30 | TestiCalls | i just wanted the gigabit one and the motherboard came with both |
| 06:34.32 | guestish | TestiCalls: 1 integrated, 1 a card? |
| 06:34.36 | wols_ | unless you have really big numbercruncheres there, and if you do, another 100Mbit won't help anyways |
| 06:34.38 | guestish | ah, figures |
| 06:34.39 | TestiCalls | no |
| 06:34.41 | TestiCalls | both mothers |
| 06:34.51 | guestish | the motherboard came with 2 nics integrated? |
| 06:34.54 | TestiCalls | yes |
| 06:34.56 | wols_ | TestiCalls: then just don't use the 100mbit ones. no use |
| 06:35.01 | TestiCalls | industrial motherboards are fun ;) |
| 06:35.07 | guestish | lol |
| 06:35.26 | guestish | pointless except for the server |
| 06:35.31 | TestiCalls | yeah i found me some nice ind. motherboards that have P4 3.8ghz support with an ISA slot available |
| 06:35.41 | wols_ | otherwise, keeping the clients separated from the internet is a good idea |
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| 06:35.56 | TestiCalls | hm |
| 06:35.58 | grendal_prime | hey is anyone any good with quake2? |
| 06:36.02 | sussudio | !bugger greenfly |
| 06:36.08 | sussudio | hrmpf. |
| 06:36.12 | sussudio | !fuck grendal_prime |
| 06:36.13 | greenfly | o.O |
| 06:36.14 | TestiCalls | the problem with keeping the internet from the client is that students that are local also need the internet |
| 06:36.15 | wols_ | TestiCalls: pricy stuff. and very interesting, didn't know such things could even be made nowadays with ISA support |
| 06:36.24 | TestiCalls | yeah it took a while |
| 06:36.26 | TestiCalls | and no not pricy |
| 06:36.29 | TestiCalls | around 300 bucks |
| 06:36.38 | TestiCalls | just took a bit of research |
| 06:36.52 | grendal_prime | wow that hurt |
| 06:36.54 | sussudio | !enter |
| 06:36.54 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 06:37.03 | wols_ | giving local students inet access is very easy by making the server a NAT router |
| 06:37.06 | TestiCalls | you guys really believe i should just not bother with the 100mbit? |
| 06:37.09 | guestish | TestiCalls: well i suppose you could give internet access, i mean it will add an element of complexity because you have to monitor internet traffic to some degree, but nothing wrong with it |
| 06:37.19 | guestish | na |
| 06:37.34 | TestiCalls | wois that's the plan |
| 06:37.41 | TestiCalls | i mean wols_ |
| 06:37.43 | TestiCalls | heh |
| 06:37.43 | TestiCalls | ;) |
| 06:37.51 | guestish | ipmasquerading, fun |
| 06:37.54 | wols_ | np. and watch the times you press enter :) |
| 06:38.04 | TestiCalls | so does it matter if a separate the any transfers among the experiments and the server? |
| 06:38.09 | grendal_prime | iptables |
| 06:38.12 | grendal_prime | dnat |
| 06:38.12 | TestiCalls | that's the purpose of the two nics |
| 06:38.16 | magna | I just loaded ubuntu - my first time on Linux. It came with with Firefox .9. I downloaded 1.0. Want to uninstall .9 but there is no "uninstall" feature- how do I do this? In what directory would the firefox .9 be in? |
| 06:38.22 | grendal_prime | i have several of them |
| 06:38.27 | guestish | TestiCalls: seperate the transfer? |
| 06:38.27 | grendal_prime | its pretty easy to do |
| 06:38.32 | guestish | !tell magna about debian based |
| 06:38.43 | guestish | !ubuntu |
| 06:38.43 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 06:38.48 | TestiCalls | basically.. it's like uploading and downloading.. i want to upload with my gigabit and download with my 100mbit |
| 06:39.01 | sussudio | guestish: i think you meant to say "magna: fuck off and die" |
| 06:39.15 | wols_ | TestiCalls: don't bother. you just can't saturate the network with things like that. Unless your experiments are done in a cyclotrone |
| 06:39.16 | TestiCalls | i want to use the gigabit connection for passing the main important information to the server |
| 06:39.18 | guestish | TestiCalls: oh, i see.... |
| 06:39.25 | fooz | no need to be rude |
| 06:39.33 | TestiCalls | the 100mbit i thought could be used for the experiments.. and the local students |
| 06:39.37 | guestish | sussudio: well when it comes to Ubuntu packaging i suppose thats the jist of it |
| 06:39.39 | sussudio | ~zoof |
| 06:39.40 | apt | methinks zoof is the Master of All that is Fooz, or a crack whore |
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| 06:39.45 | TestiCalls | that way when they are on the people on the internet do not get bogged down |
| 06:39.59 | TestiCalls | in a cyclotrone? |
| 06:40.03 | TestiCalls | me looks up |
| 06:40.16 | wols_ | google won't saturate a 1Gb NIC on the user side either |
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| 06:40.41 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: Well ok, you can do that, but it's some more work and I don't think that it would improve much |
| 06:40.51 | TestiCalls | ah i see |
| 06:41.00 | zu22_ | is there site that lists websites of #debian members? |
| 06:41.08 | TestiCalls | what would be invovled in doing it though |
| 06:41.08 | guestish | zu22_: no |
| 06:41.12 | maestro[] | TestiCalls: And since the two networks are not separated physically by two switches it wouldn't be 100% clean anyway |
| 06:41.12 | wols_ | TestiCalls: particle physics inside of cyclotrones generates terabytes of data per second. for those guys Gb NICs are too slow, for all others, they are faster than needed |
| 06:41.13 | TestiCalls | setting up two ip ranges? |
| 06:41.21 | guestish | TestiCalls: fancy stuff with iptables :) |
| 06:41.35 | TestiCalls | wols yeah they use faster technologies.. |
| 06:41.36 | guestish | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/ |
| 06:41.56 | wols_ | and your setup would make the setup needlessly complex. remember: if it's complex, it breaks more often |
| 06:41.57 | TestiCalls | thanks guetish |
| 06:42.02 | TestiCalls | *guestish |
| 06:42.03 | guestish | if you could decipher that howto it would probably explain all |
| 06:42.07 | guestish | ;) |
| 06:42.13 | wols_ | the only reason to use those 100Mbit NICs for anything is as redundancy |
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| 06:42.18 | TestiCalls | i'll take a look at it |
| 06:42.18 | Nyle | I am looking to buy a new pc, but I am stuck on one thing, help me decide weather I want AMD or Intel, I have a 500$ budget total, monitor included, I was looking at tigerdirect.com and I see an AMD sempron 2.8g based pc for 350$. Reviews say that for the same price, this performs better than Intel celeron, which is more expensive, about 400$. Any suggesstions or comments would be appreciated |
| 06:42.27 | guestish | TestiCalls: read it through and you'll probably get some good ideas on what to do |
| 06:42.41 | TestiCalls | wols what kind of redundancy |
| 06:42.45 | TestiCalls | in case one fails? |
| 06:42.50 | Nyle | sorry not the same price, but about the same |
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| 06:43.00 | wols_ | TestiCalls: yes |
| 06:43.08 | sussudio | !tell Nyle about polls |
| 06:43.08 | TestiCalls | hm |
| 06:43.10 | TestiCalls | i'll keep that in mind |
| 06:43.13 | TestiCalls | thanks for the help guys |
| 06:43.22 | TestiCalls | i'm gonna see how things turn out and i'll let you guys know |
| 06:43.30 | guestish | k, gl |
| 06:43.40 | guestish | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Adv-Routing-HOWTO/lartc.loadshare.html |
| 06:43.47 | guestish | heh, load sharing over multiple interfaces ^^^ |
| 06:43.48 | wols_ | Nyle: read that http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/sempron.html |
| 06:43.58 | guestish | i guess it can be done |
| 06:44.01 | Nyle | thanks |
| 06:44.11 | rich_ | Nyle someone told me intell processors are tough, and can take a lot of heat, and someone else told me amd outperforms intell. So Id say if you want it to go fast and burn out, get amd and if you want it to go a little slower and not burn out, get intel. |
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| 06:44.30 | wols_ | guestish: it can be done, but with one interface only a 10th the speed of the other, it would be a dumb thing to do |
| 06:44.48 | kreg | since changing to my new isp, i've been getting dns values in my iptables -L how can i prevent that? it's confusing to look at. |
| 06:44.52 | Emptied | Off to compile my new kernel, and IRC = cycles :P |
| 06:45.03 | fooz | kreg, -n option |
| 06:45.31 | kreg | fooz, ok, that will work. any idea why i never saw this before? |
| 06:45.40 | fooz | no |
| 06:45.47 | guestish | wols_: i didnt read it so i dont know |
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| 06:45.55 | guestish | wols_: but i'll take your word for it |
| 06:46.04 | maestro[] | hm, breakfast. cya |
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| 06:46.24 | guestish | conversely im tired |
| 06:46.26 | guestish | g'night all ;) |
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| 06:46.47 | flash_muppet | when I compile the kernel how do I change the grub ..? do I need a ln at all? |
| 06:47.03 | jm_ | flash_muppet: man update-grub |
| 06:47.14 | flash_muppet | jm: thanks |
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| 06:48.47 | dangaio | anybody here has experience with USB and UPS? |
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| 06:49.13 | cafuego | Yes, I do. |
| 06:50.02 | cafuego | USB mice, keyboards, scanners, printers, harddisks, cdrws and card readers. serial UPSes. |
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| 06:50.24 | cafuego | ^usb joysticks/pads |
| 06:50.28 | dangaio | cafuego: I put the UPS into my usb port, it shows up on /dev/usb/hid/hiddev0. when I configure ups.conf to use the port: /dev/usb/hid/hiddev0 it tells me that it is an invalid argument. |
| 06:50.35 | dangaio | what am I doing wrong? |
| 06:51.05 | cafuego | dangaio: No idea. Does upsd support your ups at all? |
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| 06:52.35 | glasse | OK, so it seems that the character in question is unicode U+7535, and it shows up in gedit and firefox but not kvoctrain |
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| 06:53.16 | glasse | I installe just about every font even remotely related to just about any language, let alone Chinese. |
| 06:53.58 | glasse | Still no love. Any ideas? |
| 06:54.28 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 06:54.28 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 06:55.01 | glasse | Hahahaha, all right, I'll get those things ready. |
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| 06:56.22 | jetscreamer | where is the debian menu |
| 06:56.37 | dangaio | cafuego: sorry power failure. |
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| 06:56.55 | Phated | jetscreamer: Try /usr/lib/menu/ |
| 06:56.58 | The_mystiC | anyone know of a good tool for searching and destroying backdoors and such? |
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| 06:57.13 | The_mystiC | All help provided will be rewarded with a smile :):P |
| 06:57.21 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 06:57.35 | Phated | This isn't medieval times no more, and none of us a knights in shiny armour. |
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| 06:57.41 | Phated | jetscreamer: No problem. |
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| 06:57.58 | obtol3 | hello |
| 06:58.02 | The_mystiC | Phated: was that directed at me? lol |
| 06:58.19 | Phated | The_mystiC: Yeah sure. |
| 06:58.20 | dangaio | Anybody with USB and UPS experience? |
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| 06:58.46 | The_mystiC | Phated: lol.. well.. do you know of a good tool for finding and getting the backdoors out of a system? |
| 06:58.59 | obtol3 | i am trying to install kdevelop from unstable repository. but that is too old, still 2.1. the latest is 3.1.1. do you know which repository for the latest kdevelop? |
| 06:59.14 | Phated | The_mystiC: Nope. |
| 06:59.48 | scarynetworkguy | The_mystiC: chkrootkit to try and find them. But if you have been cracked the only real solution is to nuke the system from orbit and start over. |
| 07:00.08 | dangaio | Anybody with USB and UPS experience? |
| 07:00.24 | sussudio | dangaio: shut the hell up |
| 07:00.28 | sussudio | ktnx. |
| 07:00.40 | The_mystiC | scarynetworkguy: THAT was the name of the stuff i used last time.. im not even old enough to drive a car but i still have probs remembering stuff. thx mate :) |
| 07:00.59 | dangaio | sussudio, do you know me? |
| 07:01.07 | streuner | !tell dangaio about ask |
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| 07:02.11 | streuner | dagaio: ask concrete questions, not if anybody knows linux at all? ;-) |
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| 07:03.53 | glasse | Aha! Victory! |
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| 07:04.08 | dangaio | forgive me but I am new to linux and I want to make my ups work on my box connected thru my usb port. |
| 07:04.13 | dangaio | that is all. |
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| 07:04.57 | glasse | The problem was that apparently only two fonts have the U+7535 character in them. AR PL KaitiM GB and AR PL SungtiL GB. I solved this by going through kcharselect and scrolling through fonts until I found one which defined U+7535. |
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| 07:05.25 | glasse | Then you can go to KVocTrain and Options->General Options->View->Table Font one of those fonts. |
| 07:06.02 | glasse | What I find interesting is that charmap has this character shown in font "Sans", but this font isn't available to any KDE program -- is this a GNOME/KDE thing? |
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| 07:11.58 | hacim | hmm, can a geforce 2 GTS do dri? my xfree86 config has it commented out |
| 07:14.05 | jm_ | nvidia cards don't do DRI |
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| 07:16.29 | cafuego | hacim: They do glx. |
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| 07:18.18 | streuner | lazybone: are you a bot? |
| 07:19.04 | cafuego | Just a bit dumb, I think. |
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| 07:20.15 | streuner | cafuego: to underestimate people is not good |
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| 07:23.33 | hacim | cafuego: hmm, the NwN game seems to require DRI: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 07:23.36 | streuner | cafuego: do you know 'Rotkäppchen'? |
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| 07:24.20 | wols_ | streuner: Little Red Ridinghood |
| 07:24.23 | xam | streuner: bah. Call me Mr. Wolf |
| 07:24.41 | streuner | hehe - well it seems it international :-) |
| 07:24.59 | Phated | It is. :) |
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| 07:25.33 | the_grey_ghost | does anyone know the right protocol for a serial mouse? |
| 07:25.47 | jm_ | yes, many people do |
| 07:25.49 | xam | the_grey_ghost: depends on the mouse :-/ |
| 07:26.14 | the_grey_ghost | xam microsoft 2 button serial mouse |
| 07:26.58 | the_grey_ghost | In essence garden variety serial mouse on com A (yes I am new to linux and debian) |
| 07:27.13 | Phated | No you really didn't need to tell us. |
| 07:27.24 | cafuego | streuner: Yes. |
| 07:27.29 | cafuego | streuner: I ate her grandma. |
| 07:27.42 | Phated | cafuego: Bah, xam said he did! |
| 07:27.42 | streuner | haha |
| 07:27.44 | jm_ | /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.mouse.gz for mice in X |
| 07:27.59 | the_grey_ghost | thanks |
| 07:28.06 | cafuego | Phated: xam is a filthy liar. |
| 07:28.22 | Phated | cafuego: Well the BBW lied, so he's the real bbw! :D |
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| 07:28.31 | Phated | I -love- that semi-logic. :) |
| 07:28.44 | jetscreamer | FUCK KNOPPIX USERS |
| 07:28.52 | Phated | jetscreamer: No, thanks, but why? |
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| 07:28.56 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: You'll catch something. |
| 07:28.59 | xam_ | the_grey_ghost: ie. do you need mouse support for the graphical user interface, and/or just for the text mode? |
| 07:29.01 | Phated | !confort jetscreamer |
| 07:29.06 | xam_ | damn ... |
| 07:29.07 | Phated | !comfort jetscreamer |
| 07:29.07 | jetscreamer | i didn't mean literally :) |
| 07:29.07 | dpkg | There, there, jetscreamer. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:29.20 | Phated | jetscreamer: Yes now tell es the gory story. :) |
| 07:29.23 | xam | the_grey_ghost: ie. do you need mouse support for the graphical user interface, and/or just for the text mode? |
| 07:29.28 | jetscreamer | how long was i gone? |
| 07:29.30 | Phated | xam: Ohmigosh. |
| 07:29.41 | Phated | cthulfuego: YOU ATE XAM AND HE DROPPED! |
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| 07:29.46 | Phated | Man that was creepy. :) |
| 07:29.49 | Phated | jetscreamer: Dunno, why? |
| 07:30.05 | tct | this may be the wrong place to ask because this is windows related, but I ask here because you people will be more likely to know the anwser than other channels, well here goes: I am trying to get a 2nd computer on my network to access the internet through a gateway which is my first computer, zonealarm wont let the second computer access the internet and I cant even just let zonealarm allow traffic from my second computers ip because when I am connected to the |
| 07:30.05 | tct | internet the second computer has a different ip everytime, if anyone know how to fix this please pm me |
| 07:30.05 | redcliffe | If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure |
| 07:30.05 | redcliffe | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.05 | redcliffe | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:30.07 | scarynetworkguy | That it was. |
| 07:30.10 | Phated | jetscreamer: About half an hour give or take two minutes. |
| 07:30.10 | redcliffe | hi all - what's the current best method for installing the nvidia drivers? i've installed kernel source, but i get this error: |
| 07:30.13 | redcliffe | oops |
| 07:30.15 | redcliffe | that was weird |
| 07:30.22 | Nyle | there is no limewire package that I could find, on the limewire official site, they have the .bin file for linux installation, how do I run the .bin file and install limewire |
| 07:30.28 | redcliffe | anyway i'm getting that error, anyone know the way around it? |
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| 07:30.32 | solar_ | where is the apt-get file?? |
| 07:30.35 | Phated | what the hell... tct, yes, this is the wrong place. |
| 07:30.36 | cthulfuego | Nyle: sh ./foo.bin usually. |
| 07:30.38 | jetscreamer | spend half an hour helping that dude, find out it's knoppix, help him some more anyway to get it to work, he bails and doesn't finish after taking for fucking ever to type 3 simple lines |
| 07:30.41 | scarynetworkguy | redcliffe: go read the faq. |
| 07:30.43 | Nyle | cthulfuego, thanks |
| 07:30.48 | xam_ | what the hell is going on ? |
| 07:30.51 | Phated | jetscreamer: What you said. |
| 07:30.59 | scarynetworkguy | xam_: the world is coming to an end. |
| 07:31.01 | Phated | xam_: Dear god, get out of cthulfuego's belly! |
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| 07:31.11 | tct | Phated: well you are likely to know more about computers than anyone else I know who is online now |
| 07:31.16 | solar_ | there is no end to the world, only to the ego selfishness |
| 07:31.17 | Phated | Not me. |
| 07:31.30 | the_grey_ghost | xam I need mouse support for the Graphical user interface ie Gnome |
| 07:31.32 | scarynetworkguy | tct: #windows |
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| 07:31.37 | Phated | tct: Anyways if it's Windows... I think the general gist here is we don't care. :) |
| 07:32.00 | jetscreamer | ah well, it was working, but it wanted to remove 158 packages... which was better than the 444 to downgrade and 502 to remove and 993 not upgraded |
| 07:32.05 | cafuego | Phated: Did you think i was JOKING when I changed my nick to Cthulfuego? |
| 07:32.06 | Nyle | what is the java virtual machine package? |
| 07:32.08 | jetscreamer | so he bailed |
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| 07:32.10 | Phated | jetscreamer: Well yeah. |
| 07:32.17 | cafuego | Nyle: /msg dpkg blackdown debs |
| 07:32.17 | tct | #windows has like 2 people in it |
| 07:32.19 | Phated | cafuego: Yeah... *bows down* We are not worthy! |
| 07:32.21 | scarynetworkguy | And in fact will make fun of you for asking. |
| 07:32.21 | the_grey_ghost | xam u there? |
| 07:32.23 | Phated | tct: Yeah so? |
| 07:32.27 | jetscreamer | 3 now |
| 07:32.48 | Tabitha | hi all.. I've run into a predicament attempting to install debian on a dual-boot system. I've successfully installed debian-testing with the network install CD. I'm then going to a shell via the CD in an attempt to copy the boot loader to a floppy disk and put it over on the NT drive to allow grub to work with MS's boot loader |
| 07:32.49 | Phated | jetscreamer: Well he's an idiot. |
| 07:32.55 | tct | ok let me try this |
| 07:33.05 | Phated | No, don't even -think- about asking again. |
| 07:33.05 | rich_ | tct It's becoming very popular. Not a bad idea really. |
| 07:33.08 | scarynetworkguy | tct: Pretty crazy thought here but you might try Zonealarm tech support. |
| 07:33.16 | Tabitha | I can't seem to mount the floppy drive however and when using mount /dev/floppy/0 /floppy get an invalid argument error |
| 07:33.20 | tct | *gasp* |
| 07:33.29 | Phated | Tabitha: /dev/fd0. :) |
| 07:33.42 | Tabitha | phated, /dev/fd0 says no such file or directory |
| 07:33.43 | jetscreamer | yeah well he has all he needs... i hate unfinished stuff though |
| 07:33.49 | Phated | Tabitha: Hm lovely... |
| 07:33.57 | jetscreamer | are you in floppy group? |
| 07:34.05 | Phated | jetscreamer: Meh, it's his stuff that's unfinished, not yours. |
| 07:34.06 | streuner | heh |
| 07:34.07 | Tabitha | when I do mount /dev/floppy/0 /floppy, the floppy drive spins |
| 07:34.16 | Phated | Well then let it spin. :) |
| 07:34.17 | Tabitha | I can hear it accessing the disk. |
| 07:34.27 | Tabitha | it then outputs Invalid argument though |
| 07:34.28 | streuner | Tabitha: does it work with another OS? |
| 07:34.37 | Tabitha | does what work with another OS? the floppy drive? |
| 07:34.42 | streuner | yes |
| 07:34.45 | Tabitha | yes, it does |
| 07:34.51 | Tabitha | windows xp |
| 07:35.07 | scarynetworkguy | Tabitha: And under what OS are you trying to mount it now? |
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| 07:35.14 | streuner | Tabitha: i've never heard that's an issue in any OS |
| 07:35.32 | Tabitha | scarynetworkguy: I've just typed that out above. scroll up. |
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| 07:36.04 | xam | *sigh* |
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| 07:36.38 | scarynetworkguy | Tabitha: You do know that that is just plain silly right? |
| 07:36.41 | Tabitha | what would cause an invalid argument error? could it be that my drive isn't recognized? bad disks? |
| 07:36.48 | Tabitha | what's plain silly? |
| 07:37.02 | Phated | Well can you mount it under Debian? |
| 07:37.08 | cafuego | Tabitha: tip: give mount an fs type option. |
| 07:37.11 | Tabitha | what do you mean can I mount it under debian?! |
| 07:37.17 | Phated | What the... |
| 07:37.33 | Tabitha | cafuego: mount -t msdos /dev/floppy/0 /floppy returns invalid argument. |
| 07:37.37 | Phated | OK wow that is just SUCH irrelevance. I give up. Who wants popcorn? |
| 07:37.47 | dondelelcaro | mm... popcorn |
| 07:37.50 | cafuego | Tabitha: And /dev/fd0 instead of /dev/floppy/0 ? |
| 07:37.54 | Nyle | i edited the sources for the blackdown java and updated packages, i still cannot find the package name, what package do i install |
| 07:38.00 | streuner | Tabitha: uh, no - mount /dev/fd0 /floppy |
| 07:38.08 | xam | scarynetworkguy: ohh, you also say that pretty girl passing by? |
| 07:38.11 | Tabitha | If we could avoid the insults and humor me by attempting to help someone out who is really trying to have a clue, I'd appreciate it. |
| 07:38.14 | Phated | streuner: The file doesn't exist, apparently. |
| 07:38.15 | xam | say=saw |
| 07:38.26 | Tabitha | mount /dev/fd0 /floppy returns no file/directory. |
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| 07:38.41 | Tabitha | cd /dev/, ls -la shows no fd0 |
| 07:38.42 | streuner | Phated: hm, that should be a kernel issue then... |
| 07:38.44 | scarynetworkguy | xam: no I was whistling along with the whistling parts of the Kill Bill soundtrack. |
| 07:38.46 | Phated | I didn't know xp had a mount thing. |
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| 07:39.00 | Tabitha | hi all.. I've run into a predicament attempting to install debian on a dual-boot system. I've successfully installed debian-testing with the network install CD. I'm then going to a shell via the CD in an attempt to copy the boot loader to a floppy disk and put it over on the NT drive to allow grub to work with MS's boot loader |
| 07:39.01 | streuner | Tabitha: using the sarge installer? |
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| 07:39.03 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Meh, the fun you'll have fixing it... Not worth it. |
| 07:39.04 | cafuego | Tabitha: Neet. Is /dev/floppy/0 a symlink or a device file. if that latter, what major/minor - if the former, what does it link to? |
| 07:39.07 | Tabitha | Thank you for scrolling UP. |
| 07:39.12 | scarynetworkguy | Tabitha: nope sorry. No such luck. |
| 07:39.40 | streuner | Tabitha: use another iso then |
| 07:39.42 | scarynetworkguy | Tabitha: Why not just uncomment the winders bits in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:40.01 | Tabitha | scarynetworkguy: Why can't I mount my floppy drive? |
| 07:40.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: % bucks says because WinXP's bootloader won't work with it. |
| 07:40.11 | Nyle | cafuego, which blackdown package do i install there a bunch of them |
| 07:40.22 | Nyle | j2re 1.3 or jre |
| 07:40.24 | Phated | Tabitha: Most people, surprisingly, just use grub for 'nux and 'dows. |
| 07:40.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Back when I dual booted it worked just fine here. |
| 07:40.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: With XP? |
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| 07:40.40 | Tabitha | That's the only question. I don't want advice on another boot loader, I don't want to switch to another flavor of linux, I just want to mount my floppy drive using this debian net install cd I just made |
| 07:40.40 | cafuego | Nyle: Ideally j2re 1.4.2 or 1.5 |
| 07:40.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeppers. |
| 07:40.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: -You- used XP? |
| 07:40.54 | dondelelcaro | gee, isn't that special? tarea = {x = 46, y = 268836208, width = 261820584, height = 2147481424} |
| 07:41.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I never used it. But yes it was on the box. |
| 07:41.05 | cafuego | Tabitha: Did you just happily ignore my question? |
| 07:41.07 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eew. |
| 07:41.09 | Nyle | i searched for blackdown and the only ones with j2re is 1.3 |
| 07:41.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nod* |
| 07:41.24 | Phated | *shudder* |
| 07:41.24 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: It was pretty bad. |
| 07:41.30 | scarynetworkguy | *shudder* |
| 07:41.31 | Tabitha | cafuego: I'll have to boot back into it to check. If memory serves it wasn't a symlink |
| 07:41.41 | Tabitha | and I have no idea what major/minor is |
| 07:41.51 | flash_muppet | I have made a mistake while compiling the kernel ..how do I remove the new kernel that does'nt work so I can try again? |
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| 07:42.19 | Phated | Boot into your old kernel and remove the package from which you installed the new kernel. |
| 07:42.30 | rich_ | You have to be one of a handfull of people in the world to actually use windows in the same way people use linux. Most people can barely get the application to run and the windows os itself is really a mystery. |
| 07:42.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yeah but I've learned my lesson. |
| 07:42.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yes good. :) |
| 07:43.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :) |
| 07:43.22 | flash_muppet | Phated: I am using the original kernel .. so I rm the directory for the new one? |
| 07:43.23 | Phated | flash_muppet: Yoohoo. See above. :) |
| 07:43.46 | Phated | flash_muppet: You installed the new one, hopefully, through the Debian Way (tm)? |
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| 07:44.13 | Tabitha | I wonder if there's someway I can use cgywin to access the debian disk and copy a file over to windows. |
| 07:44.20 | flash_muppet | Phated: seen 20 different ways online choose one and stuffed it |
| 07:44.26 | Knight_Lord | I beleive that the 2.6 3w-9xxx driver has a bug. Where should i report? What should i do? |
| 07:44.33 | jm_ | Tabitha: ext2ifs |
| 07:44.42 | Tabitha | jm? |
| 07:44.44 | Phated | flash_muppet: Why didn't you choose the deb way? :) |
| 07:44.49 | ricochet | Phated, wols_ Guerin, I updated my kernel, ran lilo, rebooted, and now I am getting something of a differnt error, still froze, pasted it in flood |
| 07:44.59 | cafuego | Knight_Lord: Report a bug to the driver's author. Email available in the driver soruce I expect. |
| 07:45.07 | wols_ | Tabitha: you can use colinux: www.colinux.org |
| 07:45.17 | Knight_Lord | cafuego ok tx |
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| 07:45.28 | wols_ | best way ever to access linux partitions on the same PC from windows |
| 07:45.40 | jm_ | Tabitha: ! |
| 07:45.42 | Phated | wols_: Nonono you misunderstand Tabitha doesn't -want- a different flavour of 'nux, he/she just wants to access floppy! |
| 07:45.44 | Knight_Lord | cafuego are there any standard bug report forms? |
| 07:45.46 | Phated | :) |
| 07:45.48 | flash_muppet | Phated : where is it? I did a search for compile kernel 2.6.9 debian |
| 07:46.07 | Phated | flash_muppet: OK, did you do something like make-kpkg at least? |
| 07:46.17 | wols_ | Phated: so "mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /floppy" is hard? |
| 07:46.20 | Phated | See if you did then it's all easy... |
| 07:46.28 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: apt-get install reportbug |
| 07:46.33 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: seems to be hare for Tabitha |
| 07:46.33 | ricochet | wols_ ^ |
| 07:46.44 | Phated | wols_: No, no, he/she is on the CD, and can't do it! /dev/fd0 gives no file/dir, and so on. |
| 07:46.52 | Knight_Lord | wols_ for kernel bugs |
| 07:47.11 | flash_muppet | Phated: um no .. |
| 07:47.12 | wols_ | Knight_Lord: lkml... |
| 07:47.30 | Phated | flash_muppet: Brilliant. Just brilliant. |
| 07:47.32 | wols_ | ricochet: it really could be bad memory if it's always the same error you get there |
| 07:47.40 | Phated | flash_muppet: How precisely did you install your kernel then? |
| 07:47.44 | wols_ | some bit flipped in the wrong direction for example |
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| 07:48.20 | Phated | Hm I didn't know you could use reportbug for driver bugs. |
| 07:48.22 | flash_muppet | Phated: did a search online and followed instructions until what they said did'nt agree with what was happening .. |
| 07:48.29 | wols_ | Tabitha: the debian installer should give you an opportunity to create a bootfloppy, no? |
| 07:48.32 | flash_muppet | dah |
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| 07:49.09 | Phated | Bah. |
| 07:49.16 | ricochet | wols_ ok. thanks for your help. where can i find a CD image for memcheck86 or whatever that was? |
| 07:49.20 | Phated | flash_muppet: I said how precisely. That wasn't precise in the least... :/ |
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| 07:49.25 | wols_ | memtest86 |
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| 07:49.36 | jm_ | try apt-cache search memtest86 |
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| 07:49.51 | wols_ | ricochet: www.memtest86.com |
| 07:49.58 | DomCleal | ricochet: http://www.memtest86.com/ - ISOs there |
| 07:49.58 | ricochet | thanks |
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| 07:50.45 | flash_muppet | Phated : sorry ok .. downloaded the kernel .. untared it then cd to the directory .. make menuconfig .. make install .. make modules install .. |
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| 07:50.59 | Phated | Ah. |
| 07:51.01 | wols_ | flash_muppet: wrong thing to say in #debain |
| 07:51.07 | Phated | wols_: True. |
| 07:51.07 | wols_ | *#debian |
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| 07:51.14 | wols_ | we use kernel-package in here... |
| 07:51.22 | flash_muppet | I have just found it |
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| 07:51.39 | scarynetworkguy | flash_muppet: Well you just skipped a couple of steps even if you weren't doing it the Debian way. |
| 07:51.51 | Phated | flash_muppet: Right, don't bother removing it then, likely to be a messy process, just apt-get install a new kernel-source and do it again, BUT the Debian way... Let's see if we can find a nice tutorial... |
| 07:52.03 | Phated | Hm actually. |
| 07:52.13 | scarynetworkguy | The kernel |
| 07:52.20 | scarynetworkguy | package readme works well. |
| 07:52.33 | flash_muppet | Phated : I still have the tar of the kernel |
| 07:52.39 | Phated | flash_muppet: OK, after make menuconfig, and of course making sure that you have everything in... make-kpkg clean, and then make-kpkg --revision=1.0 kernel_image. |
| 07:52.55 | Phated | flash_muppet: I have something of a preference for Deb sources, but those will works as well. |
| 07:52.55 | wols_ | flash_muppet: after make menuconfig, just run make-kpkg |
| 07:53.02 | wols_ | it will make you a nice shiny deb |
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| 07:53.14 | Phated | flash_muppet: Oh, by the way. Install kernel-package and build-essential. |
| 07:53.36 | zeeble | does that install ncurses? |
| 07:53.47 | Phated | No, install libncurses5-dev for that. |
| 07:53.52 | flash_muppet | I have only used debian its nice so I want to learn how to use it properly .. I have a problem with being in a hurry |
| 07:54.07 | Phated | flash_muppet: I -am- telling you how to do it properly. :/ |
| 07:54.27 | Phated | flash_muppet: Let's start from the beginning. rm that old kernel dir that was the messed up one. |
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| 07:54.53 | jm_ | I think my compile will be finished when you're done with this, entertain me ;) |
| 07:55.02 | Phated | jm_: Oh bah to you. :) |
| 07:55.17 | Phated | jm_: Since -you've- got more recent kernel experience... You take over! :) |
| 07:56.11 | flash_muppet | ok just removed the bung kernel .. |
| 07:56.26 | Phated | flash_muppet: No you didn't remove the kernel, just removed the source dir. But nevermind. |
| 07:56.37 | Phated | flash_muppet: OK, now re-untar the kernel source. |
| 07:56.40 | jm_ | Phated: I don't have the patience right now |
| 07:56.48 | Phated | jm_: :P You think I do? |
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| 07:56.56 | jm_ | Phated: hehe |
| 07:57.12 | Phated | jm_: I'm reading bash as I do this just to keep me sane. :) |
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| 07:57.29 | jm_ | Phated: reading bash ? |
| 07:57.37 | Phated | jm_: .org? |
| 07:57.43 | jm_ | Phated: ohh |
| 07:57.48 | Phated | jm_: Yeess. |
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| 07:58.05 | flash_muppet | Phated: just finished the untar |
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| 07:58.22 | Phated | flash_muppet: Wonderful. You can go on and make menuconfig, but remember two things. |
| 07:58.46 | Phated | flash_muppet: 1) COMPILE IN, NOT modularise, your / fs. Like ext3 of JFS or XFS or whatever. |
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| 07:59.10 | Phated | flash_muppet: 2) Compile in your harddrive interface like IDE or whatever. |
| 07:59.15 | flash_muppet | Phated: ok |
| 07:59.28 | Phated | Go ahead and config to your heart's content now, but those two must NOT be modules, got it? :) |
| 07:59.54 | Phated | Hey if anyone else (that means you, jm_) is paying attention, some popcorn would be nice. :) |
| 08:00.39 | flash_muppet | Phated: do not modularize the ext3 or ide? |
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| 08:00.59 | sime-one | mornin |
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| 08:01.24 | Phated | flash_muppet: DO NOT. Do not under ANY account modularise your root filesystem OR your HDD interface. |
| 08:01.37 | Phated | sime-one: Sorry, take a number, I seem to be the only one active and I'm busy. :) |
| 08:01.47 | rich_ | I dont modularise anything. I need it all, And if I don't need it, I don't compile it. |
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| 08:02.08 | flash_muppet | Phated: ok that makes sense .. :p more than I do |
| 08:02.08 | Phated | rich_: Yeah true, but some stuff I modularise for future use like USB stuff. |
| 08:02.13 | Phated | flash_muppet: Yeah go on. |
| 08:02.26 | Phated | flash_muppet: Config away and when you're done save your config and come back. |
| 08:02.47 | Zer0One | hm, grub hangs after displaying the word GRUB.. does anyone know why? |
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| 08:03.04 | magik | what should i use in fstab to make my ntfs partition automaticall mount on boot, and allow normal users to read from it? i have a few ways but none will work |
| 08:03.07 | rich_ | Phated Thats true. Its nice to know you can just plug in odd stuff. But I figured Id just recompile next time I buy something. I'm so cheap, I end up recompileing a lot more often then that |
| 08:03.18 | Zer0One | i booted the system with a rescue disk, entered the grub prompt and ran root and setup |
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| 08:03.24 | Zer0One | but it still hangs |
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| 08:04.04 | Phated | rich_: Ah yeah true, but I never seem to leave stuff plugged in. |
| 08:04.29 | Phated | rich_: Only stuff left in is basics like NIC, vid, sound, fs, and that all gets compiled in. |
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| 08:05.33 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:05.48 | Mc1brew | omg omg hl2 |
| 08:05.59 | rich_ | Phated that and the input subsystem and tmpfs is all I need, and when I realised it was so small, I switched over |
| 08:06.10 | Phated | rich_: Yep. |
| 08:06.24 | Phated | Mc1brew: Stop 'gasming, it's just a game. |
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| 08:06.39 | Mc1brew | negative |
| 08:06.41 | Mc1brew | omg omg gomg |
| 08:06.55 | Phated | Jesus christ go wank to hl2 somewhere else. :/ |
| 08:07.07 | Mc1brew | hapiness in the form of code |
| 08:07.28 | Phated | Happiness in code form is the linux kernel or cowsay, now hush. |
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| 08:08.03 | cafuego | Phated: MoO moo mOO |
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| 08:08.18 | Phated | flash_muppet: Yo almost done? I'm gonna go play m-b if you don't get back soon. |
| 08:08.24 | Phated | cafuego: Yes, how are you? |
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| 08:09.11 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yes, 256K is just too damn slow |
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| 08:09.43 | dondelelcaro | 100% 1928KB 18.4KB/s 01:45 is not acceptable. |
| 08:09.44 | flash_muppet | Phated: its taking me a while to go through all the options .. |
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| 08:09.57 | Phated | flash_muppet: Yeah OK... Half an hour good for you? :) |
| 08:10.18 | dondelelcaro | an X core would have taken forever. |
| 08:10.26 | flash_muppet | Phated: sure thanks |
| 08:10.27 | Phated | Yes, dondelelcaro, it would. |
| 08:10.43 | Phated | flash_muppet: Awesome, have fun, I'll see you at 1640 my time. |
| 08:11.15 | flash_muppet | Phated: what time is it now ..? |
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| 08:11.30 | Phated | flash_muppet: 1611, now stop talking and config. :) |
| 08:11.48 | Phated | It -was- 1610 when I said 1640. |
| 08:12.25 | streuner | What's that: A corrupt mail message, ID 110059229315 from <blahl@weda.mine.nu> has been |
| 08:12.25 | streuner | detected. From: <postmaster@smith-nephew.com>From postmaster@somewhere.com ? |
| 08:12.45 | dondelelcaro | streuner: probably someone sending out malformed spam |
| 08:12.50 | Phated | Meh, ignore it. |
| 08:13.12 | streuner | dondelelcaro: How can i solve that? |
| 08:13.17 | wols_ | or someone getting virus laden emails and telling you to stop sending those since you're in the "from:" header of them |
| 08:13.27 | streuner | dondelelcaro: using a different mailserver? |
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| 08:13.58 | Phated | Get a better provider, but you get these even on say -curiousa sometimes. |
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| 08:14.43 | dondelelcaro | streuner: just filter the spam... malformed messages really aren't a big deal. |
| 08:15.00 | dondelelcaro | (well, assuming your MUA doesn't suck, anyway...) |
| 08:15.06 | Phated | Just delete it, probably not a big deal. |
| 08:15.27 | streuner | dondelelcaro: *cough* sylpheed *cough* |
| 08:15.33 | rich_ | I have my mail on a pop server. Instead of running a local mail delivery system Id like to just get the mail and dump it in my users directory. Should I use fetchmail, or something else? |
| 08:15.36 | Phated | streuner: Eew. |
| 08:15.51 | Phated | Fetchmail is... nice. |
| 08:16.05 | Phated | Or just set them all up with mutt to fetch mail when they open it. :) |
| 08:16.18 | dondelelcaro | streuner: time to go to mutt... |
| 08:16.23 | streuner | Phated: i want to sent a mail to a user, not fetching them |
| 08:16.36 | Phated | streuner: Eh, no, not you. I said that to rich_. |
| 08:16.40 | dondelelcaro | streuner: wait, you're getting this message from mail that you've sent? not spam? |
| 08:16.50 | streuner | yes |
| 08:16.56 | Phated | Ah. |
| 08:17.06 | streuner | it says, corrupt message detected |
| 08:17.08 | rich_ | Phated Wel;l Id like to just have it dump it to a file in my desktop, which is a tmpfs. So id see I had mail and could click on it to run it. And Im trying to do it the cheap way, without a dedicated daemon |
| 08:17.18 | dondelelcaro | streuner: oh. uh... what thinks the message is corrupted? |
| 08:17.25 | streuner | no idea |
| 08:17.25 | dondelelcaro | streuner: is it the mailserver that is saying that? |
| 08:17.31 | rich_ | without buffy |
| 08:17.36 | streuner | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 08:17.50 | dondelelcaro | I mean, so long as something has an evelope from, and an evelope to, the mailserver shouldn't give a fuck what is in the message. |
| 08:17.54 | streuner | dondelelcaro: i sent the mail and got the message above |
| 08:18.27 | Phated | rich_: Ah. You can run fetchmail in daemon mode. |
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| 08:18.56 | streuner | dondelelcaro: true, that's what i think too, it seems its auto... |
| 08:18.59 | scarynetworkguy | Yes but how many devleopers run fetchmail in daemon mode. |
| 08:19.01 | rich_ | Phated Id rather ryun it from cron. |
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| 08:19.18 | rich_ | or even manually |
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| 08:19.24 | kry_ | hi |
| 08:19.26 | kry_ | bye |
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| 08:19.48 | Phated | rich_: Ah. |
| 08:20.00 | streuner | dondelelcaro: or another guess, thats there way to not recieve mails from dynamic IP's |
| 08:20.13 | rich_ | Well not manually, but I'd rather just put it in my scripts when I want it to run, like when my file manager starts. |
| 08:20.37 | Phated | You can always dump it in a ~/.bash_profile. *shrugs* |
| 08:21.00 | Phated | Or use a script that starts your file manager and then runs fetchmail, I guess. |
| 08:21.44 | rich_ | Phated Yes, but the thing is I need fetchmail to instead of trying to find a smtp server on my computer, to just dump the mail it recieves to the directory that happens to be my users root window. |
| 08:22.21 | rich_ | Or fetch it then mv it I guess |
| 08:22.31 | rich_ | That might be better |
| 08:22.39 | Phated | Script it away. :) |
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| 08:22.46 | rich_ | well it will work. Thanks. |
| 08:22.51 | Phated | :) |
| 08:23.10 | dondelelcaro | damnit, some fucknut is still on his stupid roof screaming at the cops... |
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| 08:23.16 | dlite | hi all |
| 08:23.24 | Phated | dondelelcaro: For how long now? |
| 08:23.37 | Poncha | is it possible to su in sftp or ftp-over-ssh ? |
| 08:23.42 | dondelelcaro | Phated: he's been there since like 16:00 PST... so it's going on hour 8. |
| 08:23.50 | dlite | how I can determine oid for proccesses in netsmp (debian woody) |
| 08:23.50 | dlite | ? |
| 08:23.53 | Bugalugs | is there anything i should have compiled that i may have not apart from all the APTI driver stuff that woud make neother my CD-RW or DVD-r work? |
| 08:24.08 | Phated | dondelelcaro: *lifted brows* Good stamina. |
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| 08:24.35 | rich_ | As long as he doesn't have a gun I think Id go up on my roof and shout at them too. |
| 08:24.37 | dondelelcaro | Phated: yeah, the ghetto bird is out circling, and there are like 20 cop cars and motorcycle cops around |
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| 08:24.45 | rich_ | darn cops, wakeing everyone up |
| 08:24.51 | dondelelcaro | rich_: dunno if he does or not... not going to get close enough to find out |
| 08:24.52 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Yeeesh, talk about diversion of resources. |
| 08:24.52 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: they need to taser his ass |
| 08:25.06 | crazyhors | anyone know where i can get a ps2 linux kit? |
| 08:25.08 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: heh |
| 08:25.19 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: they were shooting the beanbag guns at him earlier.. |
| 08:25.46 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: he's probably off his meds or high on amphetamines so he won't feel the beanbags too much :) |
| 08:25.56 | rich_ | Well thats not very nice. I guess I'd shout at them too if they shot bean bags at me. |
| 08:25.56 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: yeah, probably... *shrug* |
| 08:26.35 | Phated | rich_: Hehe. |
| 08:26.55 | Phated | Meh, you know what -really- gets cops? You threaten suicide. :) |
| 08:27.07 | dondelelcaro | Phated: heh |
| 08:27.11 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: there was case here a year or so ago where a man went on his roof, was *shooting* at the cops, yet his family successfully sued police for wrongful death when they had to shoot him (he died of heart attack in hospital after shooting) - they got paid a few million $ :( |
| 08:27.24 | Phated | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 08:27.31 | wols_ | Phated: and why would they care about that? |
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| 08:27.41 | Phated | wols_: Dunno, but here they do. :) |
| 08:27.44 | dondelelcaro | wols_: hey, it's illegal to commit suicide. |
| 08:27.55 | Phated | Yeah and they -have- to not kill you. |
| 08:28.12 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: i know it is, but as a police office I'd be more concerned if a criminal wanted to kill me instead of himself |
| 08:28.15 | Phated | It's like, if you do that, it's holding yourself hostage or something. |
| 08:28.16 | dondelelcaro | suicide by cop is fairly popular, though... |
| 08:28.20 | zu22_ | phated: even when ppl shoot at cops the idiot juries usually find the cops at fault |
| 08:28.27 | Phated | zu22_: Yeah, sucks. :/ |
| 08:28.36 | zu22_ | phated: i say let ppl shoot at the jury members and see how they feel about it ;) |
| 08:28.38 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: look in the mirror. Say hello to a typical juror... |
| 08:28.52 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: heh i am atypical |
| 08:28.57 | rich_ | Yea, I used to live on the border between the city and county and we had a hard time getting cops to come out. One time we had a party and a fight and one of the renters called the cops. He was a former cop himself and he said "I have a gun and if you don't get here soon I'll have to kill him". They got there very fast. |
| 08:29.04 | Phated | dondelelcaro: See this is why the jury system doesn't work. :) |
| 08:29.26 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: from watching court TV, reading cases i'd say the average juror is rather dumb and hence not like me at all |
| 08:29.35 | Phated | Meh. |
| 08:29.38 | Phated | Court TV, hah. |
| 08:29.49 | zu22_ | phated: haha OJ |
| 08:29.51 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: uh, you never should hear from the jurors ever. |
| 08:30.04 | Phated | Yeah, they're supposed to be all secret and stuff. |
| 08:30.09 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: sure theoretically ;) |
| 08:30.22 | dondelelcaro | Phated: well, that and only the forman ever speaks, and that, only twice. |
| 08:30.23 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: our justice system is all fscked up in so many ways |
| 08:30.32 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Yeah, so they say. |
| 08:30.38 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: i meant post-trial inteviews |
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| 08:30.58 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: pretty difficult to find something better... and the people who will be interviewed post trial are loonies anyway. |
| 08:31.20 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: voi dire is pretty good about getting rid of the people who really shouldn't be on the jury. |
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| 08:31.26 | zu22_ | phated: in martha stewart case didn't they kick off some juror(s) for talking w/ press and talking trying to communicate w/ martha? |
| 08:31.44 | dondelelcaro | zu22_: that's the scott peterson case, actually... |
| 08:31.47 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: ya it's broken but better than the others |
| 08:31.55 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: u don't wanna be convicted of something in china |
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| 08:32.06 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: u executed before u have time say "appeal?" |
| 08:32.13 | Phated | zu22_: One hopes that they did. |
| 08:32.15 | scarynetworkguy | !u |
| 08:32.16 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 08:32.23 | zu22_ | dondelelcaro: ah yes peterson |
| 08:32.36 | scarynetworkguy | either way it was the right thing to do. |
| 08:32.39 | peterS | scott peterSon needs to get out of the news so I can quit getting those spurious highlights |
| 08:32.43 | scarynetworkguy | Kick them that is. |
| 08:32.48 | Phated | peterS: :) |
| 08:33.02 | wols_ | zu22_: I don't want to be convicted of anything in texas or california either |
| 08:33.07 | Phated | peterS: Well no one's asking you to stay awake, go to bed. :) |
| 08:33.11 | zu22_ | wols_: ya |
| 08:33.23 | wols_ | first one can kill me, 2nd one could me imprison for life for a few minor offences |
| 08:33.28 | peterS | Phated: /whois peterS. I *have* been napping. I should return to that |
| 08:33.36 | k-god | What creates /etc/squid/squid.conf? |
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| 08:33.39 | dondelelcaro | wols_: yeah, 3 strikes for non-violent drug offenses blows. |
| 08:33.41 | Phated | peterS: Well then. :) Go, sleep tight. |
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| 08:33.48 | peterS | thanks, Phated |
| 08:34.02 | Phated | No problem, peterS, now shoo. :) |
| 08:34.07 | k-god | peterS: Wait! |
| 08:34.11 | peterS | k-god? |
| 08:34.13 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 08:34.25 | Phated | peterS: Never should have stuck your head out... |
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| 08:34.38 | zu22_ | ya 3 non-violent drug offenses u gone for life, yet u can be ken lay and ruin a multi-billion $ company and get a few years in low-security prison and walk away a rich man |
| 08:34.57 | Phated | Yes, peterS, go to bed, there's a good lad... :) |
| 08:35.05 | wols_ | zu22_: enron wasn't a californian company, was it? |
| 08:35.09 | zu22_ | look at michael milliken he paid $500 million fine, was in prison for a few years and the FBI never located the other $500+ million he embezzled |
| 08:35.13 | wols_ | of course they shafted mainly CA |
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| 08:35.15 | rich_ | zu22_ shoot back. And don't look so surprised, its not new. |
| 08:35.15 | dondelelcaro | wols_: no, they ripped cali off... |
| 08:35.25 | zu22_ | wols_: not sure where enron was encorporated |
| 08:35.30 | k-god | zu22_: ...and he ended up with a malignant prostrate. |
| 08:35.35 | wols_ | zu22_: if in doubt, delaware :) |
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| 08:35.52 | k-god | wols_: Enron was Texas. |
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| 08:36.01 | zu22_ | k-god: true but he would have gotten prostrate cancer prolly even he didn't embezzle $1 billion :) |
| 08:36.08 | wols_ | possibly TX since enron was a texan company. and I think ken lays house (which they couldn't take away from him) was in florida |
| 08:36.21 | k-god | zu22_: Naw. It was the black helicopters, man. |
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| 08:36.36 | k-god | wols_: Which house? |
| 08:36.46 | zu22_ | k-god: "the truth is out there"? ;) |
| 08:36.48 | scarynetworkguy | Now go there. |
| 08:36.58 | wols_ | which is kinda funny: any and all drug dealers (or users) can get all of their property impounded, but a fraudster like ken lay can't lose his illgotten gains |
| 08:37.01 | k-god | wols_: He had multiples. One in Aspen. IIRC there's one in FL as well, which has really interesting bankrupcy laws. |
| 08:37.09 | k-god | zu22_: *Way* out there ;-) |
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| 08:37.20 | k-god | zu22_: Just so long as I can play opposite Jill Hennesey. |
| 08:37.23 | zu22_ | i'd like to see a "Law & Order: Network Crimes Division" |
| 08:37.34 | zu22_ | k-god: she is smoking |
| 08:37.50 | zu22_ | is Hack TV still on? |
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| 08:37.55 | rich_ | In a capitalistic society if you want freedom or any other commodity, you have to pay for it |
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| 08:38.02 | rich_ | with capital |
| 08:38.23 | zu22_ | rich_: even in a noncapitalist society |
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| 08:38.42 | Phated | Network Crimes, hahahaha. |
| 08:38.42 | zu22_ | wols_: ya |
| 08:38.44 | streuner | dondelelcaro: well it wasn't a guess, they 'handle' mails from dynamic IP mailserver with that message, i got no corrupt message via GMX... |
| 08:38.51 | Phated | "Watch out, that pizza's rotting!" |
| 08:38.55 | zu22_ | phated: haha |
| 08:38.58 | k-god | zu22_: but isn't she? |
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| 08:39.04 | k-god | zu22_: *and* she's a twin. |
| 08:39.08 | Phated | Yeeeesh. |
| 08:39.10 | k-god | zu22_: ...identical. |
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| 08:39.16 | Phated | *sigh* |
| 08:39.19 | zu22_ | k-god: depressing isn't it |
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| 08:39.43 | k-god | zu22_: Dunno. Depends on your definition of depressing. |
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| 08:40.25 | zu22_ | k-god: ie, we probably never have chance get a girl like that depressing |
| 08:40.33 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 08:40.34 | Raf256 | re |
| 08:40.42 | Phated | Keep your eyes on easier target, men... :) |
| 08:40.45 | Raf256 | ok I think i did set up the forwarding SFTP thingy |
| 08:40.50 | zu22_ | :D |
| 08:40.56 | Raf256 | can anyone give me SFTP account for a minute? |
| 08:41.09 | Raf256 | it could be i.e. /bin/scponly (100% secure) |
| 08:41.22 | Phated | Yeah someone else can do that. |
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| 08:41.26 | zu22_ | phated: "More Mountain Dew dammit!" |
| 08:41.27 | k-god | zu22_: Speak for yourself. |
| 08:41.34 | streuner | Raf256: for what, we are in #debian - keep that in mind? |
| 08:41.36 | zu22_ | k-god: ho ho! |
| 08:41.37 | Phated | zu22_: YES! :) |
| 08:41.54 | k-god | Raf256: What're you planning on doing with it? |
| 08:42.11 | Raf256 | k-god just check did I succed in masking my IP by tunelling ssh |
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| 08:42.54 | Raf256 | I have to log int o any account (ssh/sftp/scp) and then check in logs from what IP server thinks the connection was (my real pc=bad, or my proxy-pc=good) |
| 08:42.58 | flash_muppet | Phated: when I have finished the config do I save the configuration to another file? |
| 08:42.58 | zu22_ | k-god: Jill to Karsten "I am overwhelmed by your superior knowledge of Debian. Now take me!" |
| 08:43.14 | Phated | flash_muppet: No, just exit and save it. |
| 08:43.24 | Phated | zu22_: HA! Keep dreaming, men. :) |
| 08:43.37 | zu22_ | :P |
| 08:43.46 | Phated | Anyways take the hacker pr0n to #horny-geek or something. |
| 08:43.49 | flash_muppet | Phated:done |
| 08:43.52 | k-god | zu22_: YOU'RE READING MY MAIL!!!! |
| 08:43.59 | zu22_ | k-god: hehe |
| 08:44.01 | Phated | zu22_: See? :) |
| 08:44.01 | k-god | Raf256: Send yourself mail. |
| 08:44.05 | Phated | flash_muppet: Weehoo. |
| 08:44.13 | zu22_ | phated: the pandora's box is open , flee woman! |
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| 08:44.15 | Phated | flash_muppet: OK, now let's begin the actual compiling thingy... |
| 08:44.25 | Phated | zu22_: Nah, I can kick and scream with the best of 'em. |
| 08:44.32 | zu22_ | phated: woo! |
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| 08:44.50 | Phated | flash_muppet: OK, now that you've saved everything and dropped back into the console, type make-kpkg clean. |
| 08:44.54 | Phated | zu22_: Yeah yeah. :) |
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| 08:44.58 | Raf256 | k-god- I know I can log to "proxy" computer via ssh, that works. But I donnow will target server C accept tunelled connection, and did I set it o.k. - can it be used to forward SFTP also |
| 08:45.07 | dondelelcaro | streuner: heh. that's stupid. |
| 08:45.10 | k-god | Raf256: OK. |
| 08:45.14 | k-god | Raf256: There are some echo mailers. |
| 08:45.18 | dondelelcaro | streuner: probably should be using your ISPs mailserver though... |
| 08:45.20 | cafuego | woo, yet another dell with crapped out hdd |
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| 08:45.44 | zu22_ | cafuego: you gotta call up Bombay support for a new one ;) |
| 08:45.55 | wols_ | cafuego: buying Dells accrues bad karma at an alarmingly high rate |
| 08:45.56 | k-god | Raf256: http://www.wilsonweb.com/wmt5/000501-letters.htm |
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| 08:46.01 | cafuego | zu22_: Nah, out of warranty (by a fair bit) |
| 08:46.02 | streuner | Raf256: well, i prefer mostly my own mailserver |
| 08:46.02 | wols_ | consider yourself lucky it's only a bad hdd |
| 08:46.11 | k-god | Raf256: mailto:echo@tu-chemnitz.de |
| 08:46.13 | zu22_ | cafuego: doh |
| 08:46.21 | cafuego | wols_: Oh, it's already on mobo #3 and keyboard #2. |
| 08:46.22 | k-god | Raf256: ...listed in that article. Mail sent there should bounce back to you. |
| 08:46.38 | Raf256 | uhm.. ok, but the problem is SFTP, not mail |
| 08:46.44 | zu22_ | cafuego: well my dvd/cd drive came with only cd firmware :( |
| 08:46.50 | cafuego | zu22_: These celeries got replaced with HP Athlon-M based laptops last year. |
| 08:46.51 | flash_muppet | Phated: that did'nt work .. got no general( vpath variable )search path |
| 08:46.52 | streuner | dondelelcaro: well, i prefer mostly my own mailserver |
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| 08:47.03 | zu22_ | cafuego: ah |
| 08:47.16 | dondelelcaro | streuner: for most things, there's really no point, though... but whatever. |
| 08:47.16 | Phated | flash_muppet: Wha-? By the way, did you install kernel-package and build-essential? |
| 08:47.24 | wols_ | cafuego: how can keyboards break (unless there are coffee accidents)? |
| 08:47.27 | zu22_ | cafuego: so i have to figure out the drive manufacturer/model and flash the correct firmware :( |
| 08:47.41 | cafuego | No idea what happened to the 4th |
| 08:47.44 | Phated | cafuego: That's too many dells. |
| 08:47.48 | flash_muppet | Phated: yes I installed both before I started menuconfig |
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| 08:48.02 | k-god | cafuego: That reminds me of an old song.... |
| 08:48.04 | cafuego | wols_: keyboard cntroller broken. "Design feature" on this model. |
| 08:48.09 | zu22_ | cafuego: 1 dell in hand is worth 2 in the bush (grin) |
| 08:48.11 | Phated | Hm... flash_muppet are you non-root atm? Because I'm always lazy and do this as root. :| |
| 08:48.26 | wols_ | ouch. now that's what I call cheap hardware |
| 08:48.29 | k-god | cafuego: ..."The failure in the dell, the failure in the Dell, Hey, Ho, the dairy-oh, the failure in the Dell" |
| 08:48.34 | wols_ | kb controller on keyboard side or mobo side? |
| 08:48.35 | Phated | cafuego: Bastard! :) |
| 08:48.53 | streuner | dondelelcaro: hm, i use procmail to backup my mails, so its very easy to have backups... |
| 08:48.57 | cafuego | wols_: Both (hence the new mobo ANd kbd) |
| 08:48.58 | flash_muppet | Phated: I am root in the console .. should I be in the 2.6.9 directory? |
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| 08:49.06 | Phated | flash_muppet: Yeeeesss... |
| 08:49.10 | cafuego | Phated: ... but no box to put it in! |
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| 08:49.20 | k-god | cafuego: We can solve that problem for you. |
| 08:49.30 | Phated | flash_muppet: You do this stuff in the dir, all the way through. :) You did make menuconfig in the dir, didn't you? |
| 08:49.39 | k-god | 7.25 GB of laptop RAM. |
| 08:49.40 | Phated | cafuego: Even so, even so. |
| 08:49.42 | k-god | Um. |
| 08:49.46 | k-god | ^^^ |
| 08:49.53 | Phated | Man you guys have too much RAM, yeah. |
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| 08:50.05 | k-god | Phated: ...well, that's across ten laptops. |
| 08:50.12 | flash_muppet | aha I had a gap between make and kpkg |
| 08:50.19 | Phated | k-god: YOU HAVE TOO MANY LAPTOPS! |
| 08:50.21 | cafuego | Phated: I know, I gave away a stick of 256MB 133MHz only last week |
| 08:50.24 | Phated | flash_muppet: make-kpkg. :) |
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| 08:50.28 | Phated | cafuego: Ah. |
| 08:50.36 | Phated | flash_muppet: dash, not space. :) |
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| 08:51.15 | flash_muppet | Phated: thats done now |
| 08:51.24 | wols_ | Phated: we should visit k-god and visit two lappies |
| 08:51.26 | Bugalugs | where in menuconfig do you enable highmemory? |
| 08:51.34 | Bugalugs | dmesg said its only using 800meg of my 1gig |
| 08:51.37 | Phated | flash_muppet: Nice. Now. make-kpkg --revision=1.0 kernel_image. |
| 08:51.53 | Phated | wols_: Yes, we should... Especially if one of them's a Thinkpad. |
| 08:51.57 | cafuego | Bugalugs: Generic options I think |
| 08:52.06 | k-god | Phated: For 330 kids. |
| 08:52.14 | Phated | Anyone who complains about 800 megs of r |
| 08:52.17 | Phated | RAM... |
| 08:52.24 | Phated | k-god: Ah, well then we'll bring you a few more. |
| 08:52.31 | wols_ | Bugalugs: processor type and features |
| 08:52.34 | Bugalugs | phated: i paid for 1 gig. i want to use 1gig. understandable no? |
| 08:52.34 | wols_ | for 2.6 |
| 08:52.39 | Bugalugs | wols o cool |
| 08:52.40 | cafuego | Ah no, processor type and eatures -> High Memory |
| 08:52.43 | k-god | Phated: Actually, I'd almost prefer we didn't have the laptops. |
| 08:52.45 | Phated | Bugalugs: Bah. |
| 08:52.49 | Bugalugs | thanks guys |
| 08:52.52 | Phated | k-god: Oh good we'll take them off your hands. |
| 08:52.56 | flash_muppet | Phated: lots of stuff happening now |
| 08:53.01 | k-god | Phated: ...desktops being far more robust, and strings attached being a PITA. |
| 08:53.04 | cafuego | Bugalugs: 4GB should get you sorted. |
| 08:53.16 | Phated | flash_muppet: Yeah this is the compiling bit. :) Let's just wait for it to be done... :) |
| 08:53.23 | Phated | k-god: True. |
| 08:53.40 | wols_ | Phated: you mean take the kids off hid hands? Is it time for gulasch again already? |
| 08:53.50 | Phated | wols_: No the laptops. :D |
| 08:54.01 | Bugalugs | yeah cool and 1 more thing after i compiled 2.6 i have seem to lost my cd-rw & dvd drive, not even dmesg shows them, what must i have to compile in? |
| 08:54.08 | Bugalugs | all the IDE stuff is compiled so i have no idea |
| 08:54.09 | dondelelcaro | crazyhors: they're not that expensive... |
| 08:54.35 | crazyhors | dondelelcaro: ican't find any :( |
| 08:54.35 | k-god | Phated: People give you stuff, then tell you what to do with them. |
| 08:54.41 | Phated | k-god: Ah. |
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| 08:55.05 | gamerscomplete | hi everyone |
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| 08:55.30 | george_to | hi i installed debian with lilo on a win2000 pc |
| 08:55.34 | gamerscomplete | im trying to set up a cron tab to just access a web page would it be |
| 08:55.37 | scarynetworkguy | Bugalugs: scsi emulation crap. |
| 08:55.41 | Bugalugs | ah |
| 08:55.42 | george_to | now i uninstalled lilo. but i cant boot up to win200 now |
| 08:55.44 | wols_ | crazyhors: you can also use PC133 sodimms |
| 08:55.45 | gamerscomplete | 0 4 * * * GET http://www.dark-gate.com/serverip.php |
| 08:55.51 | gamerscomplete | would that work? |
| 08:55.54 | george_to | how do i solve this problem? thanks |
| 08:55.54 | Phated | george_to: No shit, lilo is your bootloader. |
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| 08:56.11 | rich_ | george_to That's only the begining. It just keeps getting better. |
| 08:56.18 | george_to | Phated: can i install it again? |
| 08:56.23 | Bugalugs | scarynetworkguy, the scsi menu has no emulation stuff? |
| 08:56.27 | crazyhors | wols: tnx |
| 08:56.28 | Phated | george_to: apt-get install lilo, blow your mind. |
| 08:56.36 | Phated | Bugalugs: It's in the IDE menu IIRC. |
| 08:56.38 | wols_ | george_to: this is more of a windows2000 problem, don't you think? "fdisk /mbr" should do the trick. |
| 08:56.40 | george_to | Phated: i cant boot into anything |
| 08:56.49 | scarynetworkguy | Bugalugs: CBS to find it for you. Look around read. It's all there. |
| 08:56.54 | dondelelcaro | crazyhors: http://castle.pricewatch.com/search/searchmc.idq?cr=pc100+sodimm |
| 08:56.54 | Phated | george_to: And you didn't -make- a boot floppy, of course. |
| 08:57.03 | scarynetworkguy | george_to: You have a rescue disk? |
| 08:57.11 | Phated | george_to: Have a nice day, you've removed your only means of booting. |
| 08:57.12 | Bugalugs | yeah i saw it |
| 08:57.18 | Bugalugs | assumed it would be in scsi menu is all |
| 08:57.19 | Bugalugs | thanks mate |
| 08:57.19 | RainbowW | is the apache2 sites-enabled thing alphabetical in the way it loads files? |
| 08:57.22 | crazyhors | george_to: install gag |
| 08:57.27 | george_to | wols_: the win guys asked me to come here. no i dont have any disks |
| 08:57.31 | george_to | what is gag? |
| 08:57.36 | rich_ | george_to: I think /etc/lilo.conf has instructions in it about how to edit it for two operateing systems |
| 08:57.37 | crazyhors | works great, installs from floppy |
| 08:57.41 | Phated | george_to: You don't have -any- rescue disks? |
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| 08:57.46 | Phated | rich_: No, he -removed- lilo. |
| 08:57.57 | rich_ | Phated Oh I see. Thanks |
| 08:58.05 | george_to | no i dont have any rescue disks at all. and i cant install win again |
| 08:58.07 | Phated | rich_: Yeah, now... Popcorn? :) |
| 08:58.11 | crazyhors | http://gag.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:58.20 | Phated | george_to: Gorgeous. How about your Debian install disks? |
| 08:58.32 | wols_ | george_to: does your windows2000 have a recovery console which you can boot from CD? if it does, you can run "fdisk /mbr" from there |
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| 08:58.35 | Phated | Tell me you still have those. |
| 08:58.53 | george_to | yes i still have that debian CD |
| 08:58.56 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: think about what is wrong with that idea for a minute. |
| 08:59.03 | rich_ | Phated Popcorn? It kind of gets stuck in my teeth. I have pop tarts. |
| 08:59.14 | george_to | wols_: you mean boot up using the win cd? |
| 08:59.20 | scarynetworkguy | !gezeersmite rich_ |
| 08:59.21 | Phated | george_to: Good, boot up with that, and at the prompt, type rescbf24 root=/dev/yourroot. |
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| 08:59.26 | Phated | rich_: Oh sure that works too. |
| 08:59.37 | wols_ | scarynetworkguy: someone who deletes lilo usually doesn't keep linux around... |
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| 08:59.52 | rich_ | And I guess if Im going to have pop tarts I might as well make coffee |
| 08:59.52 | solar_ | LOL |
| 08:59.55 | Phated | george_to: Yoohoo, alive there? Type that, if you mind, and do it. |
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| 09:00.18 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: have you been paying any attention? |
| 09:00.30 | george_to | Phated: still alive...barely. and what is that yourroot should be? |
| 09:00.34 | Phated | You know we need something that pops up large letters... *HELLO STUPID YOU'RE REMOVING YOUR ONLY BOOT OPTION* |
| 09:00.54 | george_to | Phated: i think that is necessary.... :) |
| 09:00.56 | Phated | george_to: *sigh* Linux newb eh? Which partition do you have Debian on? |
| 09:01.04 | george_to | yeah new to linux |
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| 09:01.08 | crazyhors | http://gag.sourceforge.net/pics.html |
| 09:01.09 | gamerscomplete | can someone tell me how to set DNS on my debian box? |
| 09:01.12 | Phated | Yeah answer the question, george_to. |
| 09:01.14 | scarynetworkguy | george_to: would have saved you a bunch of pain. |
| 09:01.19 | george_to | i have debina on errm ... a linux parition. |
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| 09:01.24 | Phated | DUH! |
| 09:01.33 | Phated | -Which- partition. First, second? |
| 09:01.41 | Phated | Or on a second disk? |
| 09:01.52 | wols_ | gamerscomplete: DNS for what? DNS server or dns client? |
| 09:01.54 | george_to | i mean i have only one HDD. its on the second partition |
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| 09:01.59 | Phated | Good. |
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| 09:02.12 | Phated | /dev/hda2 should work then. |
| 09:02.16 | crazyhors | george_to: hey welcome to linux btw |
| 09:02.26 | george_to | oh hda2 i saw that before in linux. |
| 09:02.37 | Phated | Good lord. |
| 09:02.37 | george_to | crazyhors: :) |
| 09:02.44 | flash_muppet | Phated: the compile has finished |
| 09:02.47 | Phated | Yes, wonderful, we'll go through fstab sometime, eh? |
| 09:02.52 | Phated | flash_muppet: Goo, type cd ../ |
| 09:02.55 | Phated | Good* |
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| 09:03.01 | gamerscomplete | I just want to set the DNS address for my ISP |
| 09:03.04 | Phated | george_to: You booting? |
| 09:03.08 | george_to | ok Phated... i will try that.. thanks a lot |
| 09:03.13 | Phated | gamerscomplete: Look in resolv.conf. |
| 09:03.13 | gamerscomplete | so that it will resolve hostnames |
| 09:03.19 | flash_muppet | Phated: yes |
| 09:03.25 | gamerscomplete | theres no ifconfig command for setting it? |
| 09:03.27 | wols_ | gamerscomplete: put it in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:03.27 | gamerscomplete | or route command |
| 09:03.30 | Bugalugs | dhclient |
| 09:03.39 | george_to | Phated: its in my school lab. i mean i fucked my project computer. now i cant format it. |
| 09:03.42 | Bugalugs | dhclient eth0 |
| 09:03.42 | Phated | george_to: Yeah and after you boot, for the love of god, install lilo again and look at /etc/lilo.conf VERY carefully. |
| 09:03.44 | Bugalugs | is what i use |
| 09:03.44 | wols_ | single line like this: nameserver 217.237.150.141 |
| 09:03.52 | Phated | george_to: I know. See above. |
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| 09:03.57 | scarynetworkguy | gamerscomplete: Where did yo get your IP from? |
| 09:03.58 | Bugalugs | sets up net via dhcp like my cable isp uses |
| 09:04.12 | Gumby | any flux users in here? I am trying to find out if there is a way to save a session so when a user logs in the same apps that existed on logout will be opened |
| 09:04.13 | Phated | flash_muppet: Now, you should see something like kernel-image-2.6.9-1.0.deb, aye? |
| 09:04.15 | lorenzo | I have a strange thin here |
| 09:04.27 | george_to | Phated: how can i make it into the old way of booting. i mean only boot into windows |
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| 09:04.40 | Bugalugs | george_to, format mbr |
| 09:04.42 | crazyhors | george_to> Phated: how can i make it into the old way of booting. i mean only boot into windows |
| 09:04.44 | lorenzo | Yesterday I tried to apt-get dist-upgrade my debian testing-unstable box |
| 09:04.45 | chemaja | Gumby: doesn't Xsession do that? |
| 09:04.46 | Bugalugs | with dos/2k recovery |
| 09:04.51 | lorenzo | something went wrong |
| 09:04.53 | crazyhors | sorry |
| 09:04.55 | flash_muppet | Phated yes |
| 09:04.59 | Phated | george_to: You -don't- boot it only to windows! Unless you remove linux of course. :) |
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| 09:05.23 | Phated | flash_muppet: Wonderful. Almost there my man. Now, dpkg -i kernel-image<tab> and let it run. |
| 09:05.28 | Gumby | chemaja: dunno. all I know is that kde and xfce4 do it, but flux doesnt (at least not by default) |
| 09:05.33 | scarynetworkguy | george_to: the easy way to do it is to just reinstall Debian. Leave the winders part alone It will reinstall Lilo/grub and you'll be able to set it up to boot windows again. |
| 09:05.39 | lorenzo | but after ( note that dpkg --configure -a or apt-get .-f install don't work anymore ) I noticed that ALL the PERL script segment fault |
| 09:05.46 | george_to | Phated: i want to remove linux from that com |
| 09:05.52 | george_to | how to do that safely |
| 09:05.56 | crazyhors | george_to: don't even think about clobbering linux or you will regret the love you didn't have |
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| 09:06.15 | Phated | george_to: Good lad. I don't want to ask -why-. Find a win2000 backup disk and format the second partition. |
| 09:06.19 | flash_muppet | Phated: thats done |
| 09:06.20 | lorenzo | as a matter of fact even apt-show-version or dpkg-reconigure are segmentfaulting |
| 09:06.26 | lorenzo | ideas? |
| 09:06.33 | scarynetworkguy | george_to: Reinstall enough of Debian to get lilo back. Then boot into winders and use their crap tools to nuke the debian partitions. |
| 09:06.35 | chemaja | Gumby: look into xsession |
| 09:06.36 | Phated | flash_muppet: Man you have a nice puter. But OK, did you see any warnings? |
| 09:06.38 | george_to | Phated: ok thanks a lot |
| 09:06.41 | george_to | by |
| 09:06.41 | chemaja | Gumby: it's part of X |
| 09:06.42 | Phated | george_to: Have fun. |
| 09:06.42 | george_to | bye |
| 09:06.56 | wols_ | lorenzo: testing-upgrade meaning you have mixed testing and unstable? |
| 09:06.59 | george_to | Phated: sure. Thanks a gain |
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| 09:07.02 | wols_ | *testing-unstable |
| 09:07.04 | lorenzo | yes |
| 09:07.12 | Phated | Good luck to -that- guy. |
| 09:07.16 | flash_muppet | Phated: no I have everything found and updating done |
| 09:07.17 | lorenzo | sorry mistyped |
| 09:07.21 | Phated | lorenzo: One thing. HAHAHAHAHA sucka! Sorry. |
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| 09:07.44 | Phated | flash_muppet: Great! Now, join #flood, and when I ask you to, paste your /etc/lilo.conf, so I can check it for funny stuff. |
| 09:07.58 | Phated | flash_muppet: Do not forget to joinn #flood. |
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| 09:08.04 | flash_muppet | Phated: I have grub |
| 09:08.10 | wols_ | lorenzo: if you do stuff like that, you're on your own budy. "There be dragons". No one can (or will) help you with such a setup when (if?) it breaks |
| 09:08.21 | Phated | flash_muppet: Oh ok then /etc/grub/menu.lst. |
| 09:08.26 | scarynetworkguy | flash_muppet: same thing just /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:08.32 | lorenzo | ... |
| 09:08.35 | Phated | Ah my bad. |
| 09:08.37 | wols_ | flash_muppet: then you better edit menu.lst by hand. I never could get kernel-package to deal with grub correctly |
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| 09:08.45 | wols_ | it's no big deal tho since grub is so easy to use |
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| 09:09.16 | Phated | Pah lilo is easier! :) |
| 09:09.53 | muntyan | men, grub rocks |
| 09:10.12 | wols_ | grub for life |
| 09:10.35 | wols_ | Phated: just for shits and giggles a setup (mine): windows98 on hda1, XP on hda5, linux on hda6 |
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| 09:10.54 | evil_ceca | buongiorno |
| 09:10.57 | wols_ | how to boot all of them with a single nice bootmenu? without a 2 stage bootmenu |
| 09:11.02 | Phated | wols_: That is sick. |
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| 09:11.08 | amorphix | greetings |
| 09:11.10 | evil_ceca | any italian ? |
| 09:11.13 | wols_ | Phated: tis not! |
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| 09:11.28 | Phated | wols_: ANYONE WHO HAS MORE WINDOWS THAN LINUX IS! |
| 09:11.32 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: yes yes it is. |
| 09:11.32 | Phated | There. :P |
| 09:11.48 | wols_ | what's wrong with it? |
| 09:11.57 | Phated | I dunno, you have more Windows than Linux. |
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| 09:12.09 | wols_ | Phated: you take away my old 10+ years dos games from my cold dead hands |
| 09:12.14 | muntyan | wols_: make few floppies with linux and you will be fine |
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| 09:12.33 | wols_ | muntyan: floppies? what are those? |
| 09:12.39 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: that's what Loki gave you wine for. |
| 09:12.51 | wols_ | sorry,that doesn't cut it |
| 09:12.52 | Phated | wols_: Hah. |
| 09:12.56 | Phated | DOSEmu! |
| 09:12.59 | wols_ | and WINE is not from loki |
| 09:13.06 | muntyan | wols_: those are nice small things to put linux on them, and out them on a bookshelf, or something |
| 09:13.14 | wols_ | dosbox perhaps which is promisimg, but that's a very new thing |
| 09:13.22 | wols_ | I have this setup for at least 5+ years now |
| 09:13.44 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: not the company the god. |
| 09:13.48 | amorphix | how many peeps here have stripey woolie hats and big beards |
| 09:13.51 | wols_ | muntyan: a normal floppy wouldn't even hold a single kernel, much less a real linux |
| 09:14.15 | Gavrila | anyone Italian here using evolution? |
| 09:14.16 | rich_ | amorphix too many? |
| 09:14.25 | muntyan | 1.44M won't hold kernel? |
| 09:14.28 | amorphix | rich_ hehe |
| 09:14.49 | Phated | It -will- hold vmlinuz. |
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| 09:15.03 | wols_ | muntyan: a kernel I make is almost 2MB usually. today my router kernel came in with 1703809 bytes |
| 09:15.09 | k-god | Phated: Still helping the guy boot w2k? |
| 09:15.16 | zu22_ | wonder if someone could see if they can reach this website: www.hal.kagoshima-u.ac.jp, i get server not found error so wanna see if my ISP DNS is acting funky or what, thx |
| 09:15.22 | wols_ | my desktop kernels are usually bigger (video4linux, lm-sensors, iptables patches, etc) |
| 09:15.23 | Phated | k-god: No, sent him off to a rescue disk. :) |
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| 09:15.32 | antjos | hi |
| 09:15.44 | k-god | zu22_: No DNS. |
| 09:15.50 | zu22_ | k-god: ah thx |
| 09:15.53 | Gavrila | zu22_, can't resolve here |
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| 09:16.05 | zu22_ | so problem their end, thx all |
| 09:16.10 | k-god | zu22_: Try 'dig'. |
| 09:16.16 | zu22_ | k-dog: okey |
| 09:16.25 | muntyan | wols_: okay, okay. that just was a proposal to make number of linuces bigger than number of windows. and you don't need much in kernel for book-shelf linux |
| 09:16.33 | Gavrila | lol it's k-god not k-DOG ahaha |
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| 09:16.48 | k-god | Gavrila: Well, that's only 'coz k-dog was taken. |
| 09:16.50 | FlopsyPete | from reading on the web it seems much earlier in the year the mplayer issues that were keeping it out of Debian were being resolved, yet its not there yet, does anyone know why or can link me to more recent documentation on this please? |
| 09:17.01 | wols_ | muntyan: I have a few knoppix CDs. does that count? *g* |
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| 09:17.09 | Gavrila | heh |
| 09:17.10 | k-god | wols_: I've got about 40. |
| 09:17.11 | muntyan | wols_: sure :) |
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| 09:17.29 | wols_ | I dunno how many I have (and lots of debian netinst isos) |
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| 09:17.39 | Bugalugs | just enabling scsi emulation didnt seem to work so im installing scso disk & cdrom support? is that ok? |
| 09:17.45 | Bugalugs | or just silly? |
| 09:17.51 | Bugalugs | already pressed enter but nice to know. |
| 09:18.05 | Fosten | are there any debian binaries for lame? |
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| 09:18.46 | wols_ | Bugalugs: ok for what? |
| 09:18.48 | Tobo | i installed a firewall script yesterday and since then i get these martians source warnings. They look as follows: martian source 82.182.30.169 from 82.182.30.255, on dev eth0 |
| 09:18.56 | muntyan | Fosten: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
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| 09:19.18 | Tobo | googled for it but didn't really understand all of what was said, any ideas? |
| 09:19.26 | zu22_ | k-god: heh funny typo |
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| 09:19.58 | k-god | zu22_: ...and I'd go by my name, but I'm at work, and am frequently logged in elsewhere under it. |
| 09:20.01 | k-god | zu22_: ...hence. |
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| 09:20.09 | wols_ | just warning from the firewall script. and unless you tell us the whole line, we can't say if it's serious or not (probably not tho) |
| 09:20.17 | jake | hi all |
| 09:20.25 | zu22_ | k-god: nod |
| 09:20.39 | Phated | flash_muppet: FFS stop that stupid flood, it is NOT what we asked for! |
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| 09:20.57 | scarynetworkguy | FlopsyPete: STOP IT NOW> |
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| 09:21.22 | FlopsyPete | scarynetworkguy: :( |
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| 09:22.13 | jake | Hi all. I have a problem where only root seems to be able to play music, only root seems to be able to access the mixer and pcm devices. i installed woody, upgraded the kernel (the debian way i think), apt-getted alsa, setup my sound card, added the appropriette users to the audio group. ANy ideas? |
| 09:22.20 | scarynetworkguy | FlopsyPete: sorry. bad tab completion. |
| 09:22.44 | Guerin | jake: log out and back in again? |
| 09:22.55 | jake | Guerin, no way. Are you sure? |
| 09:23.22 | Guerin | jake: group membership is set on login, so if you add a user to a group, it's not updated until he logs back in. |
| 09:23.24 | jake | I thought it may be something stupid >8) |
| 09:23.30 | FlopsyPete | scarynetworkguy: what did the bad tab completion account for? |
| 09:23.30 | Joris | I'm looking for a writable compressed filesystem (loopback or raw device) - does it exist? |
| 09:23.30 | jake | Thanks :) |
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| 09:23.34 | Guerin | jake: you don't need to reboot, just log out and back in |
| 09:23.36 | Guerin | :) |
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| 09:23.50 | jake | Well hopefully i wont be back here :) |
| 09:23.50 | jm_ | you can use newgrp, depending on your setup |
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| 09:24.16 | Guerin | !newgrp |
| 09:24.20 | Guerin | !info newgrp |
| 09:24.28 | jm_ | man newgrp |
| 09:24.33 | scarynetworkguy | FlopsyPete: I meant to tell flash_muppet to stop a bad paste over in #flood. sorry |
| 09:24.34 | Guerin | yeah, lemme look |
| 09:24.39 | Guerin | just wanted a one-liner |
| 09:24.46 | Guerin | lazy bastard that I am |
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| 09:25.29 | srid | hi |
| 09:25.30 | jake | i did just 'newgrp', my history went all funny :) |
| 09:25.59 | FlopsyPete | scarynetworkguy: ha! I thought it was bcos I was asking about mplayer inclusion in Debian and its an issue too thorny to bring up :) |
| 09:26.02 | srid | I like to know network playable games that also work on Windows, so that I could play with friend who is using Windows. (Glob2 is nice, but we got bored) |
| 09:26.10 | srid | apt-get install ? |
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| 09:26.39 | scarynetworkguy | FlopsyPete: Not at all. |
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| 09:26.45 | wols_ | srid: Enemy Territory. runs on windows and linux. is a great FPS |
| 09:26.47 | jake | what sort of games? anything from id pretty much rnus on both... |
| 09:26.57 | jake | rnus??? RUNS. |
| 09:27.00 | wols_ | not apt-gettable tho |
| 09:27.16 | dondelelcaro | go, chess, tetrinet.... |
| 09:27.16 | jake | wols_, quake 2 is |
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| 09:27.20 | srid | oh |
| 09:27.31 | wols_ | jake: but without the maps, no? |
| 09:27.33 | srid | jake: quake package? there many confusing |
| 09:27.38 | jake | wols_, but you have to install the data by yourself |
| 09:27.42 | solar_ | what is the apt-get command to ugprade distro |
| 09:27.44 | srid | with maps, i need |
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| 09:27.57 | jake | wols_, yea. You can use the lame demo. I forgopt about that |
| 09:28.01 | wols_ | jake: so you have to buy the original game anyways to play. Enemy Territory is totally free |
| 09:28.03 | srid | solar_: you should read apt-howto, anyways: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:28.32 | jake | wols_, no, you can play the demo levels. and other 3rd party maps/mods |
| 09:28.54 | jake | wols_, yeah i know, but is it apt-gettable? (q2 is only half apt-gettable) |
| 09:28.55 | Fosten | is marillat's repository (for lame) non-free? if so, is it preferred to use source? |
| 09:29.00 | wols_ | true. custom maps (are the most fun in enemy territory too) |
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| 09:29.24 | jake | thanks for help :) |
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| 09:29.40 | wols_ | Fosten: the main reasons why the stuff in marillat is not in debian proper is of legal nature not technical |
| 09:29.51 | Bugalugs | ok i just recompiled 2.6 with scsi emulation so i could use my dvd/cd-rw drive, dmesg says scsi subsystem initialised but still no cdroms |
| 09:29.53 | wols_ | so if marillat has what you need/want, just use it |
| 09:30.02 | Bugalugs | anyone know or know what i should be searching foir at least? |
| 09:30.04 | scarynetworkguy | FlopsyPete: Naw the mplayer thing is simple they have a fucked up license and a minefield of a codebase (legally speaking) the Debian projcet would be insane to include it even though it is very good at what it does. |
| 09:30.09 | kreg1 | does my isp have to "support" a dsl bridge, or can i just setup my dsl router into brige mode and configure my linux box eth0 manually to get it going? |
| 09:30.20 | wols_ | Bugalugs: have you told the kernel to use SCSI for your CD-RW drive with a boot parameter? |
| 09:30.29 | Bugalugs | no i havnt |
| 09:30.45 | Bugalugs | but i guess i will be :) |
| 09:30.45 | scarynetworkguy | kreg1: yes and no. |
| 09:30.46 | Fosten | wol_s, is it actually NON-FREE? |
| 09:30.54 | wols_ | then the IDE driver hogs the drive and the scsi part will never see it |
| 09:30.59 | Guerin | no, mplayer isn't non-free |
| 09:31.08 | Bugalugs | the ide drivers dont even show anything about it |
| 09:31.14 | Guerin | mplayer is free software, but it's fucked-up free software |
| 09:31.16 | srid | wols_: enemyterritory is 250MB download (here i have only 64kbps ) :( |
| 09:31.20 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Have they sorted all that then? |
| 09:31.20 | srid | any other game? |
| 09:31.22 | wols_ | Fosten: the software is mostly Free, but the patents on the software prevent debian from distributing it |
| 09:31.26 | Bugalugs | it seems unexistant, no mention at all about either one of my cd/dvdroms |
| 09:31.29 | karl_ | Can anyone suggest good reading on integrating kerberos and ldap I do not anderstand the big picture at first (( |
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| 09:31.50 | scarynetworkguy | karl_: http://www.tldp.org |
| 09:32.15 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: no, my point is not that it's up to dfsg standards |
| 09:32.28 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: it's that it's not proprietary |
| 09:33.00 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Cool. I understand now. |
| 09:33.09 | Guerin | wols_: no, the main issues with mplayer aren't about patents |
| 09:33.39 | Guerin | wols_: the issues are that the codebase hasn't been locked down like most free software is |
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| 09:34.02 | wols_ | what special about the mplayer license (I never really looked at it to be honest) but I thought it was mainly GPL, no? |
| 09:34.03 | Bugalugs | hey with this append for lilo, to do multiple commands od i need multiple append statements or can i use some sort of deliminator? to split commands? |
| 09:34.04 | srid | any n/w playable game suggestions which has windows port? |
| 09:34.09 | Guerin | there may be non-free code in there, etc |
| 09:34.14 | Guerin | !mplayer legal saga |
| 09:34.14 | dpkg | Mplayer is currently not in Debian because the legal saga surrounding its codebase has not been concluded. Unfortunatly, upstream has not done due dilligence with the licensing of their codebase, creating a need for ftpmaster or a representative to audit the codebase before inclusion in Debian. See http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/thread/20030125.063402.a3a08167.en.html and http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/2 |
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| 09:34.34 | wols_ | but they use some support libs with questionable pedigree (that's what I got from the debian mailing list flamewar |
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| 09:34.39 | Guerin | yes |
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| 09:34.56 | FlopsyPete | thanks Guerin |
| 09:35.12 | Bugalugs | srid enemy territory? |
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| 09:35.32 | srid | Bugalugs: it's 250MB download (too slow here), anything else? |
| 09:35.34 | wols_ | srid: frozen bubble should work |
| 09:35.45 | rich_ | I think the situation with mplayer is ok. If people had mplayer when they first installed, they'd never use anything else. If they want something bad enough, they work for it |
| 09:35.45 | srid | wols_: childish actually |
| 09:35.59 | srid | thanks for that anyways that's the last option |
| 09:36.03 | wols_ | basically any game written with python or perl (and yes, they have pretty graphics even when written in a script language) |
| 09:36.19 | srid | wols_: pygame games are so far very small |
| 09:36.28 | Bugalugs | hey with this append for lilo, to do multiple commands od i need multiple append statements or can i use some sort of deliminator? to split commands? |
| 09:36.40 | ansong | i was browsing my /var/log/messages and i see that with my latest kernel rebuild i've somehow disabled all kernel modules. the message is something like "no module symbols loaded: kernel modules will not be available" |
| 09:36.45 | wols_ | srid: any "big" game is bound to have big graphics files -> big downloads |
| 09:37.04 | srid | wols_: something near 50 MB ? |
| 09:37.08 | wols_ | Bugalugs: single line |
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| 09:37.31 | ansong | i've run menuconfig but can't see anything out of the ordinary, does anyone have an idea? |
| 09:37.33 | wols_ | srid: are you running linux on X86? if so, check out older DOS games (and windows games) |
| 09:37.36 | srid | wols_: actually if i start downloading it .. only after tomorrow morning it will be completed :( |
| 09:37.44 | wols_ | they will mostly run after a bit of fiddling or with dosbox |
| 09:37.45 | srid | wols_: linux on x86 |
| 09:37.49 | Guerin | ooh ooh |
| 09:37.53 | srid | oh yeah, i have dosbox |
| 09:37.58 | Bugalugs | what do i use as delimiter? cos i have to do hda=ide-scsi and hdb=ide-scsi at once |
| 09:38.01 | Guerin | best game evar for debian: uqm |
| 09:38.02 | srid | i wonder whether there is n/w support in dosbox |
| 09:38.18 | Guerin | I don't think it's network playable, but it IS playable on a shared jeyboard |
| 09:38.18 | ricochet | wols_ thanks, looks like I have some bad mem, if 58371 errors == bad mem and its not half way done |
| 09:38.22 | Guerin | s/j/k/ |
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| 09:38.32 | wols_ | ricochet: eeeek! |
| 09:38.36 | flash_muppet | Phated: I still have a list of kernels from when I tried last time .. none bar the original are starting |
| 09:38.43 | titan | can anyone assist here with an rndc question? |
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| 09:39.06 | scarynetworkguy | flash_muppet: You should have a list of kernels. Whey you try to boot the one that you just built what does it do? |
| 09:39.11 | amorphix | Phated does Linus come and chat here sometimes? |
| 09:39.25 | k-god | amorphix: Rarely. |
| 09:39.27 | scarynetworkguy | amorphix: no |
| 09:39.32 | k-god | amorphix: However, Ian's been known to show. |
| 09:39.48 | amorphix | does Ian still do stuff for Debian? |
| 09:40.04 | k-god | amorphix: yes. Progeny. |
| 09:40.08 | amorphix | cool |
| 09:40.10 | flash_muppet | scarynetworkguy: not sure what the name is for the one I just built but none bar the original are booting properly |
| 09:40.22 | troubled | hey dpkg, will my upgrade go smoothly? |
| 09:40.22 | k-god | amorphix: Donated the Progeny installer and some other stuff recently. |
| 09:40.25 | ansong | k-god, really? linus comes here??? (my knees are all trembly) |
| 09:40.25 | troubled | !8ball |
| 09:40.34 | k-god | ansong: *very* rarely. |
| 09:40.37 | Guerin | linus apparently has an abiding hatred for all forms of tcp communication except email |
| 09:40.39 | k-god | ansong: Rarely enough to make it... |
| 09:40.46 | k-god | ansong: ...statistically improbable. |
| 09:40.48 | Guerin | and he's known to be fairly brief on that too |
| 09:40.59 | k-god | ansong: If you're looking for Linus, try LKML. |
| 09:41.00 | scarynetworkguy | flash_muppet: What was the version on the one you just built? Also what are they doing when you try to boot them? |
| 09:41.21 | k-god | ansong: Having met him, he's pretty cool. Unless you happen to be wrong about something ;-) |
| 09:41.23 | wols_ | linus or other "famous people" would be insane to go on irc or other chatrooms under their real name |
| 09:41.30 | titan | generally what does it mean when you see a file i a log with a number... such as named.config:11 or named.config:2 |
| 09:41.31 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: and can you really blame him? |
| 09:41.38 | k-god | w000t!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:41.47 | wols_ | and while they might be socially inept, they certainly aren't dumb |
| 09:41.50 | viyyer | how can I install a mirror of all the packages from my apt-get host.. !! |
| 09:41.51 | amorphix | yay |
| 09:42.00 | amorphix | k-god u rock |
| 09:42.04 | ansong | yeah, i'm sure my questions are going to be very entertaining conversation... |
| 09:42.05 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: not at aall. he's still more verbose than RMS's email tends to be. |
| 09:42.13 | k-god | wols_: You'd be surprised. I see a number of posts by RMS all over the place. |
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| 09:42.14 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: *nod* |
| 09:42.21 | k-god | wols_: ...though he's more a hit-and-run type. |
| 09:42.30 | wols_ | k-god: email is not persnal, real time |
| 09:42.36 | Guerin | k-god: squid is one of those best-of-breed apps, like apache, for me. It's jjust so damn good it scares me. |
| 09:42.44 | k-god | wols_: Sure... |
| 09:43.00 | flash_muppet | scarynetworkguy: I had tried to compile a kernel before Phated helped me .. those kernel names are still on the list at bootime .. they start and then freez with a warning |
| 09:43.05 | wols_ | plus, irc is a damn time waster. those people don't have time :) |
| 09:43.17 | scarynetworkguy | flash_muppet: and that warning is?!? |
| 09:43.22 | k-god | Guerin: I've gotta say: trying to set up proxy + accel pretty much stretched me out real good behind, if you know what I mean. |
| 09:43.23 | wols_ | flash_muppet: remove them from the menu.lst |
| 09:43.27 | wols_ | they will be gone then |
| 09:43.30 | amorphix | email takes less time and eliminates the personality clashes of real-time chatting |
| 09:43.37 | Guerin | yeah, only people who have lots of time to waste use irc ... like me :) |
| 09:43.38 | k-god | Guerin: I've now got an iptables forward rule which works, and squid's back online. |
| 09:43.58 | Guerin | or should that be :( |
| 09:43.58 | ansong | k-god, since you mentioned lkml, the only reference google has to my problem (no module symbols loaded) is someone posting to lkml |
| 09:43.58 | ansong | http://lkml.org/lkml/2003/6/20/20 |
| 09:44.02 | k-god | Guerin: That's why I'm only here when I've got real problems. |
| 09:44.10 | ansong | he didn't get a response. :( |
| 09:44.16 | Guerin | k-god: ah, about a month ago my fucking isp tried to make me sign into some stupid fucking web interface of theirs before I could get any http |
| 09:44.18 | amorphix | w0000t i just phixed my perl module |
| 09:44.23 | rich_ | Its not that there's anything wrong with irc, it has it's uses. But somethings are best handled in mailing lists |
| 09:44.32 | Guerin | k-god: so I set up squid on my texas machine and was good to go in 10 minutes :) |
| 09:44.36 | k-god | Guerin: Yeah. This is stuff I do for the kids. |
| 09:44.36 | flash_muppet | wols: I would if I knew which one was supposed to work .. I went through them all and the original is the only one working at the moment .. bbs and find out the warning |
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| 09:44.46 | k-god | I've got to put dansguardian back in the chain now. |
| 09:44.51 | azreal | does anyone have lirc working with kernel 2.6x? |
| 09:44.56 | Guerin | k-god: all voluntary work? |
| 09:45.04 | wols_ | flash_muppet: what about the kernel you just made? this one and the original one are the only ones you need |
| 09:45.16 | k-god | ansong: Not following your whole thread, but sounds like you don't have modules support compiled in. |
| 09:45.21 | wols_ | you should be able to find out which ones they are by filenames and filedates |
| 09:45.30 | k-god | ansong: Presumably, that's not something you can compile as a module and load later ;-) |
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| 09:45.34 | k-god | Guerin: Well. |
| 09:45.43 | k-god | Guerin: Theoretically, I get paid for this. |
| 09:45.46 | Guerin | k-god: I mean, obviously you do SOME paid work... |
| 09:45.47 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:45.52 | k-god | Guerin: In reality, I've been off the clock for the past 4:45 hrs. |
| 09:46.00 | Guerin | theoretically, yeah, I know that meaning. |
| 09:46.23 | ansong | k-god, you know, i honestly didn't check that section. if that's it i'm gonna feel _really_ dumb |
| 09:46.25 | k-god | Guerin: And in reality, the BS factor here's starting to get to me. |
| 09:46.27 | titan | does nayone uderstand bind ? |
| 09:46.40 | Guerin | titan: no. A lot of people pretend to, though. |
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| 09:46.55 | k-god | ansong: If you built via make-kpgk, check your modules in /boot. |
| 09:47.04 | titan | Guerin.. I am having trouble with bind 9.. and rndc |
| 09:47.10 | Guerin | titan: this is one of the few times I'll answer a "does anyone ..." question seriously. |
| 09:47.12 | titan | can u assist? |
| 09:47.15 | k-god | ansong: /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 09:47.21 | Guerin | titan: no, I don't even pretend to understand it. |
| 09:47.24 | ansong | k-god, no i've always d/l from kernel.org |
| 09:47.41 | k-god | titan: Paul used to, but he's been phoning it in since 8.4 |
| 09:47.48 | mrprismo | titan, whats the error msg |
| 09:48.03 | Guerin | titan: #dns is full of people who pretend, and might even contain one of the two dozen or so people on this earth who actually DO understand bind... |
| 09:48.08 | amorphix | does anyone know if the Canon Powershot A60 driver support is available in Debian? |
| 09:48.12 | k-god | ansong: You can *still* build that under make-kpkg. The nice thing is that your kernels end up all neatly packaged. |
| 09:48.21 | Guerin | amorphix: yes, using gphoto2. |
| 09:48.24 | k-god | ansong: I don't think I've built a kernel for about 2 years. |
| 09:48.28 | JVaughn | i've read O'reily's DNS & BIND, what's the problem? (all tho i haven't physically touched bind in like 4 years :) |
| 09:48.31 | titan | Guerin.. the logs telling me my rndc-key already exists.., previous defination |
| 09:48.36 | amorphix | Guerin: woah, thanks |
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| 09:48.52 | k-god | titan: One of the heavy-duty networking mailing lists or Usenet groups would be better. |
| 09:48.54 | Guerin | amorphix: my mother has an a40, my brother has an a80. |
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| 09:49.09 | amorphix | i just love the powershot cameras |
| 09:49.13 | solar_ | what is the apt-get command to ugprade distro |
| 09:49.20 | k-god | Guerin: Is that still or DVD? |
| 09:49.26 | wols_ | apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:49.29 | ansong | k-god, i'm going to have to look into that. it just bugs me to get used to doing things a distribution dependent way (of course, i'll use apt-get forever) |
| 09:49.32 | mrprismo | titan, i agree with k-god |
| 09:49.36 | Guerin | amorphix: you can even set up hotplug to set it up, change permissions and launch $app_of_your_choice when you plug it in |
| 09:49.43 | Guerin | amorphix: wheeee! Look, no hands! |
| 09:49.44 | flash_muppet | scarynetworkguy: the warning I get is kernel panic not suncing unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0) |
| 09:49.48 | amorphix | =) |
| 09:49.58 | Guerin | k-god: still |
| 09:50.24 | scarynetworkguy | flash_muppet: You didn't build your fs in right then. |
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| 09:50.28 | wols_ | flash_muppet: have you given your kernel a root= parameter in menu.lst? |
| 09:50.28 | k-god | Guerin: Ah... |
| 09:50.33 | k-god | Guerin: Nothing like moonshine. |
| 09:50.44 | Guerin | k-god: compact holiday-snap cameras. my brother's one does decentish video he uses to show off his skating tricks, though. |
| 09:50.45 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: yes his meun.lst is right. |
| 09:50.45 | k-god | Guerin: Messing with DVD camcorders here. |
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| 09:51.19 | FlopsyPete | Guerin: the (1st) reference (2nd doesn't work) the bot links to about mplayer in Debian is a thread a year earlier than this one: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00235.html which is an mplayer representative trying to fix up the issue by clarifying licencing on each part of mplayer |
| 09:51.51 | wols_ | scarynetworkguy: (hd0,0) sound a bit strange. maybe it's cause I never use hda1 for linux :P |
| 09:51.51 | Guerin | k-god: ah, yeah. A movie camera is pretty far down my list: below a new laptop, new dslr for me and a camera for madame... |
| 09:51.53 | k-god | Crud. Put dansguardian in the picture and squid doesn't work. |
| 09:51.59 | scarynetworkguy | flash_muppet: use this as a starting config. It has the fs stuff right. http://www.scarynetworkguy.net/config You will of course want to tweak the rest of it. |
| 09:52.00 | Guerin | FlopsyPete: yeah. |
| 09:52.03 | k-god | Guerin: Well, we get stuff tossed at us here. |
| 09:52.08 | Guerin | k-god: ... |
| 09:52.17 | scarynetworkguy | wols_: nope it's right. |
| 09:52.18 | k-god | Guerin: I get to make it work for me and 330 of my best friends, aged 6-18. |
| 09:52.38 | flash_muppet | scarynetworkguy: thanks I go and have a look .. |
| 09:52.39 | k-god | Guerin: Canon 2Rmumble here. |
| 09:52.47 | k-god | Or is it ZR? |
| 09:52.50 | scarynetworkguy | flash_muppet: cool |
| 09:52.57 | Guerin | k-god: every bunch of kids ought to have a couple guys like you around. |
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| 09:53.20 | wols_ | flash_muppet: also check your ide chipset driver and ide support in general |
| 09:53.29 | wols_ | those 3 things need to be compiled in, not as a module |
| 09:53.33 | HolyGoat | did anyone else experience trouble when you want to assign ip addresses to win32 clients from dhcp via mac addresses (like host directives in dhcpd.conf)? it basically just won't assign, heh. |
| 09:55.00 | flash_muppet | wols: ta for that .. looks like time ran out .. gonna check the config when I get home tomorrow |
| 09:55.05 | k-god | Guerin: I'm as mean as they come, they tell me. |
| 09:55.11 | Guerin | hah |
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| 09:55.42 | ansong | k-god, in menuconfig, under "Loadable module support" i've got "Enable loadable module support" on. as well as module unloading and automatic kernel module loading. is it something else that i'm just not aware of? |
| 09:55.49 | Guerin | that's fine, though. mean is ok, as long as it's the right kind of mean |
| 09:55.56 | k-god | ansong: That would seem to cover it. |
| 09:56.03 | k-god | ansong: 'lsmod' -- anything loaded? |
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| 09:56.33 | k-god | ansong: One other wild thought: there's some module security in Linux now. If you set securelevel (somewhere, probably in /proc) high enough, you can't load additional modules. |
| 09:56.42 | k-god | Meant of course for high-sensitivity environments. |
| 09:57.15 | ansong | k-god, yes, ntfs, rtc, joydev, ohci1394, ieee1394, serial_core, and 8250 |
| 09:57.45 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: That .gov job work out? |
| 09:57.46 | ansong | so...not a kernel switch? |
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| 09:59.45 | wols_ | so why could those modules be loaded but now, new modules can't be? |
| 09:59.47 | ansong | in the kernel, i don't have any security models enabled |
| 09:59.59 | ansong | that is, in menuconfig |
| 10:00.09 | titan | bind 9 is a pain in the ass |
| 10:00.10 | wols_ | e.g. what did you change between those were loaded and now? |
| 10:00.46 | wols_ | titan: just an advice: sendmail is equally evil. but fortunately it has more alternatives |
| 10:00.52 | k-god | scarynetworkguy: Still working on it. |
| 10:01.10 | Mart_ | titan: only if you don't bother to actually read the docs |
| 10:01.13 | titan | I use Exim MTA |
| 10:01.19 | scarynetworkguy | k-god: cool |
| 10:01.29 | titan | Mart: you obviously a bind 8 guy |
| 10:01.32 | titan | try bind 9 |
| 10:01.55 | k-god | Something here is *seriously* bogging. |
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| 10:02.10 | SlayerXP | titan: I run primary and secondary name servers for about 200 domains on bind9. hth. |
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| 10:03.22 | ansong | manually, i'm able to add modules: "modprobe hermes" and it loads. what put me onto this was trying to get shorewall working. it won't start and it's log mentioned a problem loading some kind of iptables module. so then i go to /var/log/messages and i see that error "no module symbols loaded" |
| 10:04.42 | ansong | and then & then & then...jeez, i read like i'm about to hyperventilate. i'll leave it for tonight, its time for bed anyway |
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| 10:05.02 | citral | !sedate ansong |
| 10:05.16 | ansong | i need it |
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| 10:05.47 | ansong | thanks for the help guys, it should make sense in the morning. later yall |
| 10:05.52 | Fosten | anybody know what modules are needed for via onboard 5.1 sound? |
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| 10:06.34 | citral | Fosten: find /lib/modules/2.blabla -name '*via*' |
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| 10:07.32 | citral | if 5.1 is supported is another matter, check on alsa website |
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| 10:10.28 | k-god | Anyone know if dansguardian has a majick page it listens to that you can query to test the proxy settings? |
| 10:11.25 | bastid | someone refered me to here.. im sorta a newb when it comes to linux and he told me about a netinstall version of debian thats userfriendly |
| 10:11.40 | citral | !tell bastid about d-i |
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| 10:12.03 | Fosten | citral: alsa's soundcard list is incomplete a-r, so no info there |
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| 10:12.42 | citral | Fosten: xell anyway, by launching alsamixer you'll see if you have rear / front speakers, how much channels etc. |
| 10:13.20 | poin__t | anyone with bad experiences with reiserfs? =) |
| 10:13.22 | bastid | i really don't know which iso im looking for.. currently im running a dual boot mandrake/xp but im wanting to switch over to debian |
| 10:13.28 | citral | !reiserfs |
| 10:13.28 | dpkg | hmm... reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 10:13.58 | citral | bastid: just follow the link dpkg gave you |
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| 10:14.23 | bastid | would i get the i386 netinstall? |
| 10:14.27 | franst | hi there |
| 10:14.30 | citral | yes |
| 10:14.33 | franst | anyone can help me fixing my net card? |
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| 10:14.49 | bastid | k |
| 10:14.53 | bastid | thx |
| 10:14.56 | SlayerXP | franst: yes, or no, depending on the problem. |
| 10:14.56 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 10:14.56 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 10:15.05 | Fosten | citral: ./kernel/sound/oss/via82cxxx_audio.ko? does oss stand for onboard? |
| 10:15.13 | titan | so with bind 9... I am getting rndc.key: already exists previous definition.. does anyone know what this mean ? |
| 10:15.18 | Phated | No, Fosten, it does not. |
| 10:15.22 | citral | bastid: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:15.25 | wols_ | Fosten: oss = open sound system |
| 10:15.38 | bastid | yeah im there now |
| 10:15.40 | citral | Fosten: you definitely want alsa, which is different from oss |
| 10:15.46 | wols_ | the old standard of linux audio. the new one is ALSA (alsa will have drivers for your card as well) |
| 10:15.54 | citral | Fosten: should look like snd-via |
| 10:15.56 | bastid | im getting this: sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 10:16.08 | citral | bastid: here you go |
| 10:16.44 | Fosten | ./kernel/sound/pci/snd-via82xx.ko is the other one... but i figured to bet against the pci, since it was onboard |
| 10:17.06 | wols_ | your onboard stuff is all connected via PCI logically as well |
| 10:17.09 | citral | Fosten: yeah you want this one, and snd-pcm-oss |
| 10:17.12 | Bugalugs | i added parameters to kernel, installed scsi emulation, installed scsi support (cdrom & generic), turned off ide cdrom support (even before i did this i got the problem, and did this because some doc said to, thought id try), but still i cant access cdrw and dvdr, they arent detected in dmesg either |
| 10:17.18 | wols_ | ISA is pretty much universally dead :) |
| 10:17.24 | Bugalugs | anyone have any idea something im missing? something i should check? |
| 10:17.35 | bastid | hehe |
| 10:17.37 | Fosten | citral: cool, thanks for your help |
| 10:17.40 | bastid | isa is unheard of now :P |
| 10:17.46 | wols_ | if you are removing IDE CD and DVD support, you will never be able to access them... |
| 10:17.57 | SlayerXP | titan: yes, it means you have two entries in your config for the rndc key location |
| 10:17.59 | Bugalugs | wols_, even before i did that it was the same |
| 10:18.09 | Bugalugs | i did that cos some howto said to do it |
| 10:18.23 | Bugalugs | ill try put it back on |
| 10:18.25 | wols_ | if you ran a normal kernel and your optical drives were missing, the problem is not the kernel but your hardware |
| 10:18.32 | wols_ | Bugalugs: have you tried a debian stock kernel? |
| 10:19.01 | Bugalugs | guess i could. |
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| 10:19.10 | Bugalugs | let me just backup my current one |
| 10:19.31 | Phated | Backup your current what? Kernel? Heehee. |
| 10:20.13 | wols_ | Bugalugs: all you need to do is install another kernel. there is no way that debian will delete a kernel from the system unless you "dpkg -r" it |
| 10:20.22 | citral | !tell Zeit|idle about away |
| 10:20.24 | Bugalugs | ok |
| 10:20.25 | Phated | wols_: Thus the heehee. :) |
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| 10:21.00 | wols_ | Phated: I know that, you know that, but Bugalugs apparently not, which is why I told him |
| 10:21.15 | Phated | wols_: I know, I know. I'm a bad bad person. :) |
| 10:21.25 | jetscreamer | evil |
| 10:21.31 | Phated | Absolutely. |
| 10:21.35 | citral | teufel |
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| 10:21.40 | Phated | teufel? |
| 10:21.40 | pwned | ja? |
| 10:21.48 | citral | evil in german :) |
| 10:21.52 | Phated | Ah. |
| 10:22.01 | pwned | "devil" actually |
| 10:22.02 | Phated | Let's see... In Dutch? |
| 10:22.09 | pwned | evil would be boese |
| 10:22.11 | wols_ | Phated: your karma will catch you one day. then you will be sentenced to an eternity of MS-DOS 3.11 |
| 10:22.14 | wols_ | all your own fault |
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| 10:22.29 | citral | it's all peter's fault! |
| 10:22.29 | k-god | Phated: Actually "devil" |
| 10:22.35 | Bugalugs | hrm.. |
| 10:22.37 | jetscreamer | that's wfw 3.111 |
| 10:22.38 | pwned | b?se is evil |
| 10:22.38 | Zeit|idle | citral: tell my ISP to not disconnect me each 24h.. :D |
| 10:22.41 | jetscreamer | uh 11 |
| 10:22.41 | Guerin | peter? who's that? |
| 10:22.42 | Phated | wols_: Yeah, yeah. You didn't see the whole drama of me helping someone dist-upgrade to sarge once, that balances out the heehee. |
| 10:22.46 | Phated | k-god: ah. |
| 10:22.49 | Bugalugs | which image to use.. no options for athlons, are they compatable with intel cpus? |
| 10:22.50 | Guerin | i only know a peterS and a petemc |
| 10:22.54 | Chameleon22 | any one knows or uses a nice web app to organise a collection of books/eBooks, pref. in PHP ? |
| 10:22.57 | PerfDave | o/~ she's just a devil woman, with evil on her mind o/~ |
| 10:23.04 | scarynetworkguy | Bugalugs: k7 |
| 10:23.08 | Bugalugs | ok |
| 10:23.10 | Phated | Ah yes my theme song. |
| 10:23.11 | wols_ | Bugalugs: there are options for athlons. "k7" setting |
| 10:23.16 | Phated | PerfDave: *rawr* |
| 10:23.21 | citral | Zeit|idle: hrm, tell it yourself :) anyway, would be nice to disable any auto public away / idle message thanks :) |
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| 10:23.35 | Phated | It was a nickchange. :) |
| 10:23.39 | wols_ | Bugalugs: but they are 100% compatible to PentiumII and below too |
| 10:23.41 | r3dw0rm | Chameleon22, I just installed booby it has bookmarks and other pim functions, you can find it on freshmeat |
| 10:23.50 | Chameleon22 | ok |
| 10:24.11 | Phated | Ooooo ebook organiser. |
| 10:24.12 | Bugalugs | k its apt gettin' |
| 10:24.26 | wols_ | what is an ebook organizer? |
| 10:24.40 | Phated | wols_: Something that keeps track of all your ebooks, I suppose. |
| 10:24.48 | citral | harf, pete, even |
| 10:24.48 | Bugalugs | lol |
| 10:24.50 | citral | !iapf |
| 10:24.51 | dpkg | i guess iapf is It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 10:24.56 | wols_ | I have a filesystem for that... (even if it's a bit messy now) |
| 10:25.01 | Zeit|idle | I need to change between at least 2 nick because of the stupid german Telekom which disconnects me each 24h.. *sigh* |
| 10:25.04 | Chameleon22 | r3dw0rm: booby doesnt seem like the thing i need |
| 10:25.04 | Phated | o/~ You're just an apt-gettin' your way to mah heart... o/~ |
| 10:25.05 | PerfDave | Phated: *rawr* |
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| 10:25.11 | Phated | PerfDave: :) |
| 10:25.23 | r3dw0rm | ohhh lol I thought you said bookmarks not ebooks sorry |
| 10:25.27 | Phated | Chameleon22: Well since you're already on freshmeat, look around! :) |
| 10:25.32 | Guerin | apache + <Directory /home/ebooks/> \n Options Indexes \n </Directory> |
| 10:25.37 | Guerin | Chameleon22: ^^ |
| 10:25.37 | Chameleon22 | i am lol |
| 10:25.42 | Chameleon22 | ^^ |
| 10:25.43 | Chameleon22 | :p |
| 10:25.44 | r3dw0rm | lol Phated |
| 10:25.49 | Phated | r3dw0rm: :) |
| 10:26.06 | Guerin | Chameleon22: no, seriously. That's a really lightweight solution to your problem. |
| 10:26.22 | Guerin | Chameleon22: if you wanted to get really funky you could require authentication |
| 10:26.26 | r3dw0rm | Guerin: thats the method I use! |
| 10:26.31 | Guerin | r3dw0rm: me too :) |
| 10:26.37 | Chameleon22 | yeah just checking out my options |
| 10:26.39 | r3dw0rm | san authentication :) |
| 10:26.46 | r3dw0rm | sans |
| 10:26.49 | Phated | Heh. |
| 10:26.50 | Guerin | yeah, authentication is for nancies |
| 10:26.58 | Chameleon22 | biometrics or nothing ! |
| 10:26.59 | jm_ | Chameleon22: indeed, I do something similar to what Guerin mentioned - just a list of <a href>... split into sections |
| 10:26.59 | Chameleon22 | lol |
| 10:27.04 | Phated | Yeah real men just say "come on in!" |
| 10:27.13 | citral | rofl |
| 10:27.14 | Guerin | anonymous or shell access, that's all you get with me |
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| 10:27.19 | Chameleon22 | penis scan biometrics scanner |
| 10:27.21 | Chameleon22 | hehehehe |
| 10:27.24 | Phated | *choke* |
| 10:27.25 | Chameleon22 | that would be funny |
| 10:27.25 | solar_ | how do I check what modules are installed? |
| 10:27.27 | Phated | TMI, TMI. |
| 10:27.32 | solar_ | the command lsmod | grep snd won`t work |
| 10:27.32 | Phated | solar_: lsmod. |
| 10:27.37 | Phated | Oh. |
| 10:27.40 | Phated | !doesn't work |
| 10:27.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 10:27.50 | Phated | :) See factoid, explain further. |
| 10:27.55 | hedekar | hi, just curious if it's possible to get mplayer on Debian? I don't see it in the .deb files |
| 10:28.00 | solar_ | by the way Phated I am running Agnula debian |
| 10:28.02 | citral | solar_: "type lsmod", what does it return? |
| 10:28.04 | Phated | hedekar: /msg dpkg mplayer. :) |
| 10:28.05 | Guerin | Chameleon22: watch out, someone like, say, jetscreamer would break your penis biometric system |
| 10:28.07 | PerfDave | hedekar: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 10:28.11 | Phated | solar_: BAH speak of it not! |
| 10:28.16 | Phated | PerfDave: Beatcha. :) |
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| 10:28.24 | citral | solar_: Bouh and you come here to nug us! |
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| 10:28.28 | Phated | And what if someone doesn't have a penis, eh? |
| 10:28.30 | citral | s/nug/bug/ |
| 10:28.31 | Guerin | !qotd42 |
| 10:28.31 | dpkg | hmm... qotd42 is * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
| 10:28.32 | lugge | Hi ! I'm searching for a special font called "flubber" and I want to install it from a package. But I got no idea where to get such a package |
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| 10:28.38 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 10:28.39 | solar_ | citral: Debian based distro non the less :) |
| 10:28.44 | Phated | solar_: BAH! |
| 10:28.46 | citral | !based on debian |
| 10:28.46 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. |
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| 10:29.17 | scarynetworkguy | solar_: then go someplace where they care about your silly distro. |
| 10:29.25 | citral | solar_: so, let's give you a debian answer, type "which lsmod" |
| 10:29.29 | r3dw0rm | lol scary |
| 10:29.30 | PerfDave | Phated: I was having a discussion about the merits of portage on another channel :0 |
| 10:29.37 | Phated | !based on debian =~ s/Ubuntu\,/Ubuntu\, Agnula\,/ |
| 10:29.37 | dpkg | Phated: that doesn't contain 'Ubuntu\,' |
| 10:29.44 | Phated | You little. |
| 10:29.54 | hedekar | Phated: that command doesn't work |
| 10:29.54 | PerfDave | Phated: , is not a special character, is it? |
| 10:29.54 | Phated | !based on debian =~ s/Ubuntu,/Ubuntu, Agnula,/ |
| 10:29.54 | dpkg | Phated: OK |
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| 10:30.04 | Phated | Hm that works? |
| 10:30.09 | Guerin | Phated: you don't need to escape commas |
| 10:30.10 | PerfDave | hedekar: What command? |
| 10:30.14 | Phated | Guerin: Thanks. :) |
| 10:30.19 | hedekar | dpkg mplayer |
| 10:30.19 | dpkg | mplayer is not in Debian. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available: see ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for instructions. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 10:30.20 | Phated | PerfDave: The one I used, apparently. |
| 10:30.26 | Guerin | Phated: you do in real perl, but not in dpkg perl, I believe |
| 10:30.30 | Phated | Well what? It worked. |
| 10:30.32 | PerfDave | !tell hedekar abot msgdpkg |
| 10:30.39 | Phated | Guerin: Ah so dpkg perl is easy perl. |
| 10:30.41 | PerfDave | Guerin: I don't think you need to in real perl either |
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| 10:30.52 | Phated | Guerin: I just have a habit of escaping most punctuation. |
| 10:31.20 | citral | ah\, like that\? funny\! |
| 10:31.25 | scarynetworkguy | Which is usually the right thing to do. |
| 10:31.33 | Guerin | I don't know |
| 10:31.36 | Phated | Yeah\, like that\. |
| 10:31.37 | Guerin | I suck at perl |
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| 10:32.01 | Phated | Guerin: Weren\'t you supposed to do Perl and then we to have a code-off\? \:\) |
| 10:32.14 | Guerin | Phated: well, have you learnt any python? |
| 10:32.14 | citral | commas don't need to be escaped in perl, as long as they are between "quotes" |
| 10:32.25 | Guerin | ah right |
| 10:32.39 | Phated | Guerin: Not yet, man, let me finish exams. On the way back from school on Friday I'll get a copy of learning python or something. |
| 10:32.40 | Guerin | but if they're not quoted, perl will think they're making an array or somesuch |
| 10:33.03 | PerfDave | Guerin: Uhm, depends entirely on context ;) |
| 10:33.06 | dondelelcaro | when $ ls -l|wc -l returns 4335; ugh. |
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| 10:33.16 | Phated | Ah yes context is everything... :) |
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| 10:33.25 | Guerin | PerfDave: yeah, see my comments above :) |
| 10:33.29 | Phated | Guerin: Good, good, keep going at it halfheartedly until I catch up. |
| 10:33.30 | PerfDave | Guerin: perl will only treat commas as making an array in an array construct, AFAICS :) |
| 10:33.39 | citral | Guerin: takes about 1 hour or 2... |
| 10:33.46 | Guerin | citral: to do what? |
| 10:34.03 | Phated | To read Picking Up Perl, it seems. |
| 10:34.03 | citral | Guerin: to read Picking up perl... |
| 10:34.20 | Guerin | yeah, it's pretty slender |
| 10:34.29 | Guerin | I waste too mcuh time on irc though |
| 10:34.31 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: in a LIST. |
| 10:34.34 | Phated | Guerin: Don't you listen to him, take at -least- a week more. |
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| 10:34.41 | Phated | Oooh llama! |
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| 10:34.53 | Phated | Oh bah I need to get off this llama kick. |
| 10:34.57 | Guerin | Phated: I'll have to read it four or five times before any of it sinks in. |
| 10:35.01 | PerfDave | Llamatron! |
| 10:35.04 | Phated | Guerin: Oh good! :) |
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| 10:35.32 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah OK you just keep doing that while I try to free up some space for Python by burning some of my textbooks. :D |
| 10:35.32 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Bah, I can never remember the difference, it doesn't seem to make any difference to me ;) |
| 10:35.52 | JVaughn | mahi - it shouldn't do a kenrel image, but an initrd image. Ok after you did the image did you gzip it as well? and secondly make sure that /boot/grub/menu.lst is pointing to that initrd.gz as well as your new kernel |
| 10:35.53 | lugge | Hi! I'm searching for a special font called "flubber" and I want to install it from a package. But I got no idea where to get such a package |
| 10:35.55 | dondelelcaro | and why scalar qw(a b c d e f g); does one thing, and scalar @{[qw(a b c d e f g)]}; something entirely different. |
| 10:36.13 | Phated | AAAAAAAARGH my eyes. |
| 10:36.15 | PerfDave | lugge: /msg dpkg find |
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| 10:36.24 | Phated | lugge: /msg dpkg search, rather. |
| 10:36.29 | Guerin | lugge: unless it's free software, it won't be in debian. google is your best hope. |
| 10:36.38 | Phated | Hehe, three different answers... |
| 10:36.40 | Phated | !win us |
| 10:36.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, us! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 10:36.45 | Phated | Bah. |
| 10:37.00 | faxo | bouh. |
| 10:37.01 | Bugalugs | wols_, booted the kernel, it picks up the cdrom & dvd, but everything else is borked, no network, not even psaux is there anymore (im now back in old kernel) |
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| 10:37.16 | Phated | modprobe psmouse? :) |
| 10:37.20 | dondelelcaro | hint: the former returns g; the latter 7. |
| 10:37.22 | citral | Perl is so compact, that after one hour reading code my eyes explode |
| 10:37.48 | lugge | @Guerin: I was seaarching almost everything yet. It is free, but it seems to be not in debian |
| 10:37.48 | Phated | dondelelcaro: last letter and position of last letter and/or number of letters? I dunno. |
| 10:37.55 | Guerin | probe your nic module, then do /etc/init.d/networking restart ; probe psmouse to get a ps/2 mouse |
| 10:37.59 | Phated | free != Free. |
| 10:38.00 | r3dw0rm | good perl is indistingishable from line noise! =) |
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| 10:38.18 | fdsdsadsa | so ok, i confess i have never ever even held in a sata HD, so i am holding it now and realize the fact, i dont know how to plugg it in, there is a normal power connection, and then there are 2 diffrent connectors, where i can connect, the so called "sata"-cables, i have now connect the smaller one of the sata connectors but where the heck should the larger one be connected? i mean on the motherboard... |
| 10:38.21 | dondelelcaro | Phated: nah... the first is a LIST in scalar context, which just returns the last element of the list. an array in scalar context (the second) returns the number of elements in the array. |
| 10:38.21 | Bugalugs | so the image you get has support for pretty much everything as modules? |
| 10:38.36 | Phated | dondelelcaro: My eyes glaze over as I bow to your coding wisdom. |
| 10:38.48 | Guerin | I get that |
| 10:38.55 | dondelelcaro | Phated: if you code perl, you're understand it. |
| 10:38.59 | fdsdsadsa | anyone who want to help me out? |
| 10:39.01 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah you've been reading Picking Up Perl. |
| 10:39.03 | dondelelcaro | s/you're/you'll/ |
| 10:39.05 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Aye. |
| 10:39.05 | Guerin | I didn't understand the punctuation, but I understand now |
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| 10:39.14 | Phated | PerfDave: Sure. |
| 10:39.15 | xam | finally Half-Life2 is activated! |
| 10:39.24 | Phated | OH WHAT THE FUCK |
| 10:39.29 | Bugalugs | so the image you get has support for pretty much everything as modules? |
| 10:39.30 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: the punctuation was just creating an array reference and dereferencing it: instant array. |
| 10:39.32 | sajpher | anyone who has ever connected a sata HD ? |
| 10:39.35 | sajpher | xam on linux?! |
| 10:39.35 | Phated | is with all the idiots 'gasming over hl2? |
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| 10:39.42 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: ah, I see. |
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| 10:39.44 | PerfDave | Phated: it was released today |
| 10:39.49 | lugge | How do I get a good list of nodes to insert in my sources.list. Now it's quite poor |
| 10:39.51 | scarynetworkguy | xam: So go play it and leave us alone. |
| 10:39.51 | Dave-IE | hi guys |
| 10:39.55 | wols_ | Phated: I like it. that way idiots are outed easier than usual :) |
| 10:39.59 | Phated | PerfDave: I know but that's no fucking reason to shoot all over this channel! |
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| 10:40.01 | dondelelcaro | much faster than going @foo=qw(a b c d e f g); scalar @foo; |
| 10:40.10 | PerfDave | Phated: I am laughing. Apparently Oxford Uni students can't activate their copies because the college firewalls break Steam :) |
| 10:40.14 | xam | scarynetworkguy: hehe, you just envy me ;) |
| 10:40.17 | Guerin | Phated: people have been waiting for it since the first one, which was released when you were still playing with dollies |
| 10:40.19 | Phated | PerfDave: Well I don't care. |
| 10:40.26 | Dave-IE | can anyone point me to a good tutorial on how to use the man pages and more importantly how to search them for specific topics etc |
| 10:40.29 | Phated | Guerin: I have never touched a dolly in my -life-. |
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| 10:40.36 | Phated | Dave-IE: man man. |
| 10:40.38 | Aguacero | hello everybody! |
| 10:40.41 | dondelelcaro | Dave-IE: man man; man apropos; |
| 10:40.48 | Phated | Exactly. |
| 10:40.51 | xam | sajpher: no. At least not yet. Perhaps it is running with wine however |
| 10:40.55 | PerfDave | Dave-IE: man man |
| 10:40.55 | sijork | HL2 rocks ass. |
| 10:40.57 | Phated | Quake, now that's where it's at. |
| 10:41.07 | Guerin | ah, I cba with gamez any more |
| 10:41.11 | dondelelcaro | rocks ass? um, yeah. |
| 10:41.11 | sijork | Quake is 10 years old now? Muahaha. |
| 10:41.11 | Phated | Well go form your own bloody #hl2-gasming. |
| 10:41.13 | Dave-IE | So whos the HL2 fan and whos the HL2 hatter? |
| 10:41.18 | sajpher | Phated: qw THAT is where its at |
| 10:41.23 | sijork | Dave-IE: I am fan. |
| 10:41.26 | Phated | sajpher: Anything. |
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| 10:41.31 | Guerin | they're too competitive for me, I don't have 8 hours a dat and a $2000 computer |
| 10:41.38 | sajpher | PerfDave q4 looks like q2 |
| 10:41.44 | Phated | Dave-IE: First ones are the ones blowing their chunks, second ones are me. |
| 10:41.51 | Dave-IE | Will Linux ever have the same gaming support as windows systems? Like will we see large titles being ported to Linux as the userbase grows? |
| 10:41.55 | PerfDave | sajpher: It's a sequel to Q2, that's why :) |
| 10:41.55 | xLobeznox | what is q4? |
| 10:41.56 | Phated | No, NEVER! |
| 10:41.58 | dondelelcaro | Dave-IE: who cares? |
| 10:42.15 | Dave-IE | me, I like linux but I like gaming too and I dont want to have two OS's |
| 10:42.22 | Phated | Dave-IE: Well then choose! |
| 10:42.26 | PerfDave | Dave-IE: Maybe, maybe not. There are enough good games for Linux that I don't have to bother running Windows or WINE any more. |
| 10:42.26 | dondelelcaro | Dave-IE: that's a question for the game manufacturers to answer, not us. |
| 10:42.27 | Phated | So there. :P |
| 10:42.28 | xLobeznox | Dave-IE, if you want to play, playstation II |
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| 10:42.31 | xam | Phated: stupid comment |
| 10:42.32 | Guerin | we already have to deal with gentoobies - who needs g4m3r-d00dz as well? |
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| 10:42.38 | citral | I don't either play or have windows, but I must reckonn HL2 rocks. |
| 10:42.39 | Phated | xam: Bah, who cares. |
| 10:42.41 | Phated | What Guerin said. |
| 10:42.48 | xam | Phated: Bah back |
| 10:42.49 | xam | ;) |
| 10:42.58 | Phated | citral: These are the people who steal your bandwidth at 4 am, man... |
| 10:42.59 | Guerin | comsoles for gaming, real hardware for real software. |
| 10:43.01 | xLobeznox | windows is used only beacuse game support? |
| 10:43.01 | xLobeznox | hehe |
| 10:43.10 | scarynetworkguy | xam: shouldn't you be playing some stupid game? |
| 10:43.17 | Phated | Meh, UT2K4. Done. |
| 10:43.19 | Bugalugs | citral, i friend of mine showed me the new engine thru counterstrike-source, its pretty impressive |
| 10:43.25 | Bugalugs | how interactive the environment is |
| 10:43.34 | xLobeznox | doom 3 needs a ultra machine |
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| 10:43.38 | Phated | Oh looky #debian, now rename to #gam3rs! |
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| 10:43.40 | citral | Phated: ? nobody steal my bandwith at 4 am, because my modem is off at this time :D |
| 10:43.44 | Bugalugs | you dont just blow a pc up.. you blow the side off, then you can shoot the heatsink off, blow up some ram modules, etc, keep going |
| 10:43.45 | Dave-IE | consoles lick balls, they dont have the same power as PC based systems |
| 10:43.47 | Phated | citral: Bah. |
| 10:43.48 | xam | Guerin: I only own two games ... Half-Life 1 & 2 ... so I'm definitely not a 'gamer' type |
| 10:43.54 | PerfDave | xLobeznox: Oh, shut up, it blatantly doesn't. Especially on Linux ;) |
| 10:43.55 | Dave-IE | although Halo II is looking sweet |
| 10:43.57 | sajpher | xam how on linux? |
| 10:44.04 | sajpher | ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT DUALBOOT? |
| 10:44.06 | Guerin | xam: most CS PhD candidates aren't |
| 10:44.08 | sajpher | xam ?! |
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| 10:44.12 | xLobeznox | PerfDave, dont understand "blatantly" |
| 10:44.21 | PerfDave | xLobeznox: http://www.dictionary.com/ |
| 10:44.22 | SlayerXP | oh Bob, not harth again |
| 10:44.27 | Phated | PerfDave: Keep going, that vocab of yours will CRUSH him. |
| 10:44.33 | xLobeznox | PerfDave, oh, no thanks |
| 10:44.34 | scarynetworkguy | xam: so shut up about it already. |
| 10:44.37 | sijork | You don't have to choose anymore! Run Linux via Colinux on Windows! |
| 10:44.39 | sijork | Muahaha. |
| 10:44.51 | PerfDave | xLobeznox: yeah, heaven forbid that you should actually fucking learn something :) |
| 10:44.54 | Phated | Then we wouldn't be in #debian would we. |
| 10:44.56 | xam | sajpher: WTF? I already told you, there is no native linux client. You could play half-life 1 with wine (perfectly), and I'm sure they'll make HL2 work with wine aswell |
| 10:44.59 | Guerin | ah, so sijork really IS a non-free software troll |
| 10:45.04 | sajpher | sijork that is not a alternative |
| 10:45.14 | citral | It was homour I think |
| 10:45.17 | sijork | Phated: Debian runs on CoLinux. |
| 10:45.27 | Guerin | I wondered if he might be just a deluded pragmatist yesterday when he was suggesting in all earnestness that debian should use a non-free compiler |
| 10:45.28 | scarynetworkguy | sijork: so go run it ffs. |
| 10:45.29 | sijork | Guerin: Don't be silly. |
| 10:45.33 | citral | s/think/hope/ |
| 10:45.33 | Phated | sijork: Right, and I would want MS code on my machine at all -why-? |
| 10:45.38 | pwned | xam, not if HL2 is directx-only |
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| 10:45.50 | Phated | Guerin: Deluded pragmatist, I like. |
| 10:45.53 | sijork | Phated: You don't. But people who want to play games and develop software might. |
| 10:45.57 | sajpher | citral why do you do s/think/hope |
| 10:45.57 | citral | grrrr |
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| 10:45.59 | Phated | sijork: BAH. |
| 10:46.09 | PerfDave | xam: I prefer to shell out for games and support companies who actually support Linux :) |
| 10:46.14 | xam | pwned: ??? You are obviously a little bit behind ... wine(x) certainly has directx support |
| 10:46.15 | Phated | People who want to play games can jolly well pick up a copy of UT*. |
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| 10:46.27 | sijork | Guerin: You're taking that out of context. Not all of Debian. Just Debian on the platforms where dondelelcaro said gcc won't cross. |
| 10:46.29 | Phated | Tell it, PerfDave. |
| 10:46.33 | citral | sajpher: I hoped sijork was joking, but he obviously is a clueless troll |
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| 10:46.38 | PerfDave | Trouble with running Debian on CoLinux is that you then need to fork out for a copy of Windows and deal with its insecurities and instabilities :) |
| 10:46.43 | xLobeznox | PerfDave, I am "hasta los cojones" of learning new english vocabulary, now you try "castilian/spanish" |
| 10:46.45 | xLobeznox | :) |
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| 10:46.53 | Phated | Thus negating the benifits of Debian at all. |
| 10:46.53 | sajpher | citral haha |
| 10:46.54 | sajpher | :) |
| 10:46.55 | xam | PerfDave: yes, I know. As I said, I only bought 2 games ... and even from the same company |
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| 10:47.04 | sajpher | loki, loki, loki! |
| 10:47.05 | sijork | Guerin: You have all the right to suffer with a broken compiler if you want too. :) |
| 10:47.09 | PerfDave | xam: A company which doesn't support Linux :) |
| 10:47.11 | sajpher | the RISE of LOKI |
| 10:47.14 | scarynetworkguy | xam: so STFU about it already. |
| 10:47.15 | sajpher | *mohahaha* |
| 10:47.16 | voldy | who here knows about dealing with the "iso-9660 filesystem read ahead bug" mentioned in the mkisofs and cdrecord manpages? |
| 10:47.22 | sajpher | fuck, i really miss loki |
| 10:47.25 | PerfDave | xLobeznox: If I were in a Spanish-speaking channel, I might make the effort to learn more Spanish vocabulary :) |
| 10:47.26 | chiefohio | how can i set a default text editor to my system? |
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| 10:47.37 | dondelelcaro | repeat after me: gcc can cross compile. It can cross compile more things than most compilers. It has bugs. These bugs are even more difficult to murder when you are cross compiling. |
| 10:47.37 | sajpher | they atleast gave me the impression that linux gaming was going forward |
| 10:47.39 | Guerin | sijork: using a non-free compiler AT ALL would make debian a joke, unless there was no other way to build the packages, in which case the first order of business would be ... working on a new compiler. We went through this yesterday. |
| 10:47.40 | testing1235 | does the .config file in the kernel source folder uniquely specify the kernel compiling config or are there other config files that matter? |
| 10:47.45 | sajpher | bit itll take a few years |
| 10:47.51 | JVaughn | default text editor? the one you open up :) |
| 10:47.51 | citral | chiefohio: man update-altenatives |
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| 10:47.52 | Jazza | is it possible with debian to just upgrade 1 package and not all the packages on the pc? |
| 10:47.52 | xam | PerfDave: well, you can't blame valve that HL1 didn't support linux ... back then linux didn't have any h/w accellerated opengl support |
| 10:47.52 | sajpher | i think emulators on linux is the future |
| 10:48.03 | sajpher | think when its all integrated |
| 10:48.08 | sajpher | you want amiga games? |
| 10:48.08 | citral | chiefohio: man update-alternatives, even |
| 10:48.12 | voldy | i've been trying to use the padsize= option, but i still get it. usually the last large file burned to a dvd doesn't work properly. |
| 10:48.13 | sajpher | just ./amiga-game |
| 10:48.15 | chiefohio | citral: no man available |
| 10:48.15 | Phated | Why bother? Just develop straight for 'nux. |
| 10:48.18 | PerfDave | xam: I can not buy HL2 because I don't want to have to run Windows or WineX to play it though :) |
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| 10:48.24 | sajpher | and it starts and looks just like a normal game |
| 10:48.25 | xam | PerfDave: HL2 however ... yes, that's sad ... |
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| 10:48.42 | Bugalugs | yer winex costs money too now doesnt it |
| 10:48.49 | scarynetworkguy | xam: so why are you supporting it with your money? |
| 10:48.52 | sajpher | perfect, no "loadining in games", no setting up controles every time |
| 10:48.53 | chiefohio | citral: i want to open crontab -e with emacs |
| 10:48.56 | sajpher | everything automated |
| 10:48.57 | sajpher | MOHAHA |
| 10:48.59 | Guerin | Jazza: at a minimum, you need to upgrade the package and all its dependencies. |
| 10:48.59 | xam | Bugalugs: not neccessarilu |
| 10:49.02 | xLobeznox | PerfDave, why #debian must be english? |
| 10:49.03 | sajpher | that is my new quest |
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| 10:49.05 | xLobeznox | ^^ |
| 10:49.06 | Phated | sajpher: No chance of happening. |
| 10:49.08 | Bugalugs | xam CVS? |
| 10:49.09 | Jazza | yes thats what i want |
| 10:49.10 | Jazza | how? |
| 10:49.11 | sijork | Guerin: Feel free to fix the compiler. I bet you got tons of time to spare. |
| 10:49.13 | Jazza | its postfix |
| 10:49.18 | xam | Bugalugs: yes |
| 10:49.19 | sajpher | Phated: I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN |
| 10:49.21 | sajpher | :) |
| 10:49.22 | Guerin | Jazza: depending on how big an upgrade you're talking about, this can be none or everything. |
| 10:49.25 | Phated | xLobeznox: Main channel. International - mostly - language. |
| 10:49.33 | PerfDave | xLobeznox: Because we have #debian-es for Spanish speakers, #debian-de for German speakers, #debian-br for Portugese speakers, #debian-fr for French speakers, and so on. |
| 10:49.35 | Phated | sajpher: Yeah, come back when you have working code, and we'll talk. |
| 10:49.38 | Guerin | sijork: I have got tons of time to spare, but I don't have tons of l33t skilz |
| 10:49.41 | Jazza | what command to just upgrade postfix and its dependancies |
| 10:49.43 | scarynetworkguy | sajpher: good go do it and stop bothering smart people. |
| 10:49.48 | PerfDave | Jazza: apt-get install postfix |
| 10:49.56 | Jazza | o will that upgrade? |
| 10:50.02 | Guerin | Jazza: from what to what? |
| 10:50.05 | PerfDave | Jazza: It will install the latest version available |
| 10:50.06 | xLobeznox | I prefer esperanto |
| 10:50.06 | Phated | Yeahit should. |
| 10:50.11 | takato2 | yes. if not installed, install, if installed, update |
| 10:50.12 | xLobeznox | esperanto for #debian |
| 10:50.17 | Jazza | cool |
| 10:50.20 | Phated | xLobeznox: Go start your own damn channel then. |
| 10:50.20 | PerfDave | xLobeznox: /join #debian-esperanto |
| 10:50.30 | citral | chiefohio: export EDITOR=emacs; crontab -e |
| 10:50.31 | xLobeznox | PerfDave, #debian-en |
| 10:50.33 | xLobeznox | you... |
| 10:50.34 | sijork | Guerin: Me, if I want to accomplish something, I go the easiest and most effective route. As long as it's legal and won't hurt anyone...who cares? |
| 10:50.34 | sajpher | Phated well its not so much code that i need, the code is allready out there, mame, uae, and so on, just a frontend that starts them up and a good config file that has a gui frontend that just needs to be tweaked once |
| 10:50.35 | xam | scarynetworkguy: I could also ask some people here why they support the exploitation of animals with their money, or fighting unjustified wars with their money ... |
| 10:50.35 | xLobeznox | :P |
| 10:50.46 | sajpher | then can be altered on a game by game basis |
| 10:50.50 | PerfDave | xLobeznox: You're outvoted :) |
| 10:50.51 | sajpher | EASY |
| 10:50.52 | Guerin | sijork: oh, so you ARE a deluded pragmatist. |
| 10:50.56 | scarynetworkguy | xam: do they babble on about it here? |
| 10:51.02 | Phated | sajpher: Yeah? You deal with inconsistencies, games, the number of ROMs, the PROVISION of ROMs, and so on. |
| 10:51.04 | sajpher | then just a good command line tool |
| 10:51.09 | sajpher | to start it |
| 10:51.09 | Bugalugs | xam: tax isnt OUR money. |
| 10:51.10 | Phated | sajpher: Delusional. |
| 10:51.12 | PerfDave | sijork: Depends on your definition of "hurt anyone" :) |
| 10:51.19 | xam | Bugalugs: haha |
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| 10:51.31 | Phated | xam: Not everyone in here pays taxes to Bush. *shrugs* |
| 10:51.39 | scarynetworkguy | sijork: so shut up about it and go do it. |
| 10:51.42 | sajpher | like a app that makes scripts for the game you installed and fixes icons and .desktop files for them menu in gnome, kde etc |
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| 10:51.51 | xam | Phated: I never mentioned Bush ;) |
| 10:51.53 | MerlinCorey | Phated: no one in here pays taxes to Bush |
| 10:51.53 | Phated | sajpher: Again, I repeat. Go do it. |
| 10:52.10 | Phated | xam: He's the only one who's really fighting wars. I know my .gov isn't warring. |
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| 10:52.19 | Phated | PerfDave: You kill plenty of yeast too. |
| 10:52.21 | Bugalugs | but i actually work for an alluminium plant who produce alot of metal for an unamed ship warehouse in the US, we got a few "unnamed" US companies as customers not long after bush promised more australian imports after we joined the coalition |
| 10:52.24 | sajpher | Phated: well if i made it would you use it? |
| 10:52.25 | sijork | PerfDave: LOL |
| 10:52.31 | citral | !lol |
| 10:52.31 | dpkg | well, lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 10:52.31 | Bugalugs | wouldnt be surprised if im helping to build warships hehe |
| 10:52.32 | MerlinCorey | Phated: your government is too busy warring against its own people |
| 10:52.34 | PerfDave | Guerin: Hey, I *like* The Smiths :) |
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| 10:52.36 | sijork | PerfDave: Not only that, but anminals are yummy. |
| 10:52.39 | Phated | sajpher: Well duh, I'd love to play Sega games on my computer. |
| 10:52.39 | Bugalugs | ohwell aslong as i get paid ;\ |
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| 10:52.54 | sajpher | Phated then all i need is to make a frontend |
| 10:52.54 | Phated | MerlinCorey: You can shut the FUCK up about my government. |
| 10:52.57 | sajpher | i will do it |
| 10:52.58 | PerfDave | sijork: If God hadn't meant for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat [(c) Goats] |
| 10:52.59 | Bugalugs | sega was fun when i was 10.. havnt played it since then though |
| 10:53.06 | Bugalugs | never finished alex kid in wonderland |
| 10:53.07 | MerlinCorey | Phated: well, then don't say anything about mine, either :) |
| 10:53.08 | sajpher | would you like it?, ./sonic-the-hedgehog |
| 10:53.13 | MerlinCorey | Phated: fair is fair |
| 10:53.13 | dondelelcaro | Phated: like dgen? |
| 10:53.14 | Bugalugs | got pretty far though |
| 10:53.19 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Hm? |
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| 10:53.23 | dondelelcaro | !info dgen |
| 10:53.25 | dpkg | dgen: (Sega Genesis/MegaDrive emulator), section non-free/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.23-6 (sid), Packaged size: 247 kB, Installed size: 1092 kB |
| 10:53.30 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Oooh fun. |
| 10:53.49 | xam | scarynetworkguy: I don't know what your issue is. I make ONE statement, and suddenly everybody cries "but it is not available for linux" ... and on the other hand "I hope they don't port games to linux" |
| 10:54.00 | citral | scummvm is even funnier |
| 10:54.01 | dondelelcaro | Phated: also works with xmame, apparently... which sajpher obviously hasn't heard about. |
| 10:54.10 | sijork | xam: He's just grumpy. Don't mind him. |
| 10:54.15 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Meh, the way xmame works is sad. |
| 10:54.16 | Guerin | well, I bet I pay less tax than any of y'all, in percentage terms |
| 10:54.21 | xam | sijork: yeah, you are probably right |
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| 10:54.26 | Phated | Guerin: Bah. |
| 10:54.27 | dondelelcaro | Phated: dunno. I don't use it. |
| 10:54.31 | PerfDave | xam: I'm happy for people to port games to Linux. Requiring WineX isn't the same :) |
| 10:54.33 | Phated | dondelelcaro: I gave up on it. |
| 10:54.35 | Bugalugs | guerin how much? |
| 10:54.41 | sijork | Xmame works good, but I can't get legal ROMs. |
| 10:54.47 | Guerin | ah shit, now I need to get a payslip |
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| 10:54.51 | citral | apart from TVA, of course |
| 10:54.52 | Bugalugs | i paid fuckin 30% last year |
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| 10:55.09 | Phated | Ah quit tripping. |
| 10:55.10 | Bugalugs | young single male -- LETS RAPE HIM |
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| 10:55.13 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: I don't pay any this term |
| 10:55.19 | xLobeznox | what humor :) |
| 10:55.19 | testing1235 | does the .config file in the kernel source folder uniquely specify the kernel compiling config or are there other config files that matter? |
| 10:55.23 | rich_ | My wife pays taxes I'm pretty worthless. |
| 10:55.31 | PerfDave | testing1235: Just .config AFAIK |
| 10:55.31 | sijork | testing1235: That's it. |
| 10:55.40 | xam | PerfDave: of course. But since I don't play much, being able to play games under linux is rather unimportant to me |
| 10:55.58 | MerlinCorey | besides |
| 10:56.01 | sijork | rich_: Good god man! Grow some testicles! |
| 10:56.04 | MerlinCorey | once you get past nethack...... |
| 10:56.05 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 10:56.08 | Bugalugs | australian government taxes high, educations expensive, petrols expensive, we also have GST, what the |
| 10:56.13 | sijork | rich_: Man has to work and sweat or his testicles rescind. |
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| 10:56.19 | Bugalugs | and they cant even find a way to get us water? |
| 10:56.34 | xam | PerfDave: like 'most thermo-nuclear software only runs on the unicos os, not on linux' ... well, I don't give a shit ;) |
| 10:56.46 | sijork | Bugalugs: It's exactly like that in the US except worse. |
| 10:56.55 | citral | !qotd40 |
| 10:56.55 | dpkg | <abrotman> nt pattern matches my left testicle |
| 10:57.00 | Bugalugs | do you guys have GST? |
| 10:57.05 | rich_ | sijork Yea, I guess Im not doing my duty as a good soldier if I dont cost the enemy what they squeeze out of her. |
| 10:57.10 | Indal | hey guys, i need help with sound for debian sarge - 2.6.8-1-386 . i have an alsa driver, i used netinst for installation, i went to get the kernel source 2.6.8 apt-get and decompressed it etc in /usr/src, when i go to ./configure --with-kernel=/usr/src it says it can't find version.h which is correct it doesn't exist, then it says to get full kernel source for your distribution |
| 10:57.17 | fritas | whieeee :) |
| 10:57.34 | sijork | Bugalugs: What's GST? Some kind of tax right? |
| 10:57.40 | Bugalugs | goods and service tax |
| 10:57.43 | dondelelcaro | Bugalugs: no, there's just sales tax. |
| 10:57.44 | Bugalugs | or government spending tax. |
| 10:57.45 | Indal | so i can't configure the alsa driver, for my sound card :-( |
| 10:57.54 | xam | Indal: version.h is created when you do a 'make oldconfig' or similar |
| 10:57.58 | citral | Indal: why don't you just install a kernel-image; done? |
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| 10:58.06 | Bugalugs | 10% of pretty much anything you buy here is tax |
| 10:58.06 | dondelelcaro | Bugalugs: assuming you stay out of certain categories of luxury goods, anyway... |
| 10:58.08 | Phated | Bugalugs: Where you from? |
| 10:58.10 | Indal | i did, and it says already installed |
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| 10:58.15 | sijork | Bugalugs: We have taxes on everything. |
| 10:58.16 | Indal | i have the latest kernel image |
| 10:58.19 | Bugalugs | phated: from NZ, but i live in AU |
| 10:58.23 | Indal | but i have no sound |
| 10:58.24 | rich_ | oregon has no sales tax |
| 10:58.25 | Phated | Bugalugs: Ah nm then. |
| 10:58.26 | citral | Bugalugs: it's not much |
| 10:58.26 | PerfDave | xam: *shrug* Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. I just don't think it's a good idea to support Windows by buying Windows-only games, or support DRM by buying Apple, etc. |
| 10:58.29 | sijork | Bugalugs: Real estate, goods, phone, gas, smokes |
| 10:58.32 | hedekar | what's the best player to play WMV9 files with? |
| 10:58.33 | sijork | Bugalugs: Interest |
| 10:58.35 | Indal | and my cd that came with my motherboard, has the linux sound driver on there |
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| 10:58.43 | testing1235 | ty |
| 10:58.46 | PerfDave | Indal: Use make-kpkg |
| 10:58.47 | Indal | but when i try to run ./configure it needs the kernel sources |
| 10:58.55 | Bugalugs | NZ just has some funny tax |
| 10:58.59 | xam | PerfDave: fair enough |
| 10:59.03 | sijork | Bugalugs: I can't think of anything that doesn't get taxed...maybe death. |
| 10:59.04 | citral | no no no |
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| 10:59.11 | sijork | Is there a death tax in the US? |
| 10:59.11 | citral | Indal: load the driver for your card |
| 10:59.16 | Bugalugs | my mums partner drives a deisal vehicle, so he pays deisal users tax.. then he pays public transport tax too lol |
| 10:59.17 | dondelelcaro | sijork: yes, there are death taxes here. |
| 10:59.19 | Bugalugs | seems unfair to me |
| 10:59.22 | Bugalugs | but hey thats life |
| 10:59.22 | dondelelcaro | sijork: it's commonly called an estate tax. |
| 10:59.25 | Guerin | ah well |
| 10:59.28 | Guerin | I canna find it |
| 10:59.29 | Indal | i can't load the driver, it won't let me configure it without the kernel source, i have got the kernel source, but it doesn't recognise it |
| 10:59.34 | Guerin | wait until my wife gets home |
| 10:59.37 | PerfDave | Indal: Don't use ./configure |
| 10:59.39 | txepa | ese maestro[] !!! |
| 10:59.40 | sijork | Bugalugs: Do you get taxed on your wages? |
| 10:59.41 | PerfDave | Indal: Use make-kpkg |
| 10:59.47 | citral | Indal: if you have kernel-image-2.6.8 installed, just modprobe the driver |
| 10:59.48 | maestro[] | txepa: ? |
| 10:59.51 | Bugalugs | sijork, yes, for me roughly 30% |
| 10:59.51 | sijork | Bugalugs: We get fucked up the ass with wage taxes. |
| 11:00.01 | Bugalugs | i got back 250$ this year though haha |
| 11:00.05 | citral | Why the fuck would he need to compile his own kernel? |
| 11:00.05 | Indal | i have modprobed but i dont know what driver i am looking for? |
| 11:00.05 | txepa | maestro[], is like "hi maestro" |
| 11:00.10 | hedekar | Hi, I've been trying to play a wmv9 file and I'm having a load of errors with mplayer, is there any better players? |
| 11:00.14 | txepa | sorry, I am xLobeznox, I knew you other day |
| 11:00.21 | maestro[] | ah. hi txepa |
| 11:00.28 | Indal | i modprobed alsa and it says not found |
| 11:00.29 | Guerin | estimation: |
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| 11:00.33 | citral | Indal: what soundcard do you have? |
| 11:00.36 | Bugalugs | anyway brb gonna go work this other kernel out |
| 11:00.38 | Bugalugs | catchyas |
| 11:00.39 | sijork | Indal: lspci |
| 11:00.45 | sijork | Bugalugs: Lates |
| 11:00.48 | Indal | Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 11:00.49 | Guerin | !2200000/50000 |
| 11:00.49 | dpkg | 44 |
| 11:01.03 | Guerin | 4.4%, give or take |
| 11:01.13 | xam | apropos sound card ... I'm still waiting for mine to arrive ... thats over we3 |
| 11:01.15 | Guerin | no |
| 11:01.22 | citral | Indal: modprobe snd-via82xx |
| 11:01.24 | xam | over 3 weeks now |
| 11:01.26 | Guerin | I'm stupid and I can't do maths |
| 11:01.46 | Indal | ok well it didn't say not found so i presume it found it |
| 11:01.48 | sijork | Guerin: that's what bc is fore |
| 11:01.50 | Aguacero | help me please. i want to install SIM,but configure script writes:checking for Qt:error,qt(>=qt 3.0.2) not found. i have installed qt 3.2.3-4. how can i fix it? |
| 11:01.52 | Guerin | !50000/2200000 |
| 11:01.52 | dpkg | 0.022727272727 |
| 11:01.55 | sijork | Guerin: It does the thinking for you |
| 11:01.56 | Guerin | there ya go |
| 11:01.58 | xam | Guerin: you sound like my maths teacher |
| 11:02.01 | Guerin | 2.2% ish |
| 11:02.08 | citral | Indal: ok, did you already install alsa-base and alsa-utils? |
| 11:02.13 | Indal | yes |
| 11:02.23 | citral | Indal: then run alsaconf as root |
| 11:02.24 | Guerin | ah, I suck at maths, this is why I haven't taken up any kind of programming |
| 11:02.35 | Indal | cool thanks got it up now |
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| 11:02.41 | sijork | Guerin: Even Algebra? |
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| 11:02.44 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: you don't need maths for programming - just logic |
| 11:02.49 | sijork | Guerin: What do you do for a living? |
| 11:03.06 | Guerin | sijork: oh, I can do it if I have a bit of time to get my brain thinking numbrers instead of grammar |
| 11:03.12 | sijork | MerlinCorey: Wtf? Did that to my Uni. I had to take up to Calc III. |
| 11:03.14 | xam | Guerin: well, there are parts of CS where you definitely don't need (complex) maths ... just logical thinking |
| 11:03.18 | sijork | MerlinCorey: s/Did/Tell |
| 11:03.19 | Guerin | sijork: I'm an engliush teacher, but that's not what I'm best at |
| 11:03.29 | Guerin | I can do logic, it's just hard |
| 11:03.31 | PerfDave | Aguacero: What is SIM? |
| 11:03.33 | citral | engliush YEAH! |
| 11:03.42 | citral | :) |
| 11:03.46 | PerfDave | Aguacero: If you're compiling something, you'll need a libqt -dev package, probably. |
| 11:03.49 | sijork | Guerin: Geezus. I'll trade you English lessons for programming lessons. |
| 11:03.49 | Aguacero | PerfDave, sim-icq.sourceforge.net |
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| 11:03.54 | sijork | Guerin: Lol. |
| 11:03.59 | PerfDave | Aguacero: Also, and very importantly, /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 11:04.00 | Guerin | sijork: you don't need denglish lessons |
| 11:04.01 | MerlinCorey | sijork: and I would have, if I hadn't gone homeless :); but that's not the point - you and I both know it doesn't take CalcIII in order to write a binary search :) |
| 11:04.05 | PerfDave | Aguacero: Is it not packaged for Debian already? |
| 11:04.13 | Guerin | as much as I need typing lessons, anyway |
| 11:04.20 | xam | MerlinCorey: while you are correct, you'll need to pass several stupid maths courses to get a CS degree at many institutions |
| 11:04.25 | sijork | MerlinCorey: Yeah, but you'll pee your pants doing FFT. |
| 11:04.25 | citral | Guerin: indeed :) |
| 11:04.27 | PerfDave | Aguacero: apt-cache show sim |
| 11:04.30 | Indal | cool thank you so much citral :) |
| 11:04.31 | MerlinCorey | xam: I *know* |
| 11:04.33 | PerfDave | Aguacero: apt-get install sim |
| 11:04.37 | goldfish | how can i tell if i am puting my sound through oss or alsa? |
| 11:04.38 | Aguacero | PerfDave, its tarball |
| 11:04.46 | xam | MerlinCorey: historical nonsense ... |
| 11:04.46 | sijork | MerlinCorey: Calc is useful for a lot of stuffs. |
| 11:04.47 | PerfDave | Aguacero: It's already packaged for Debian |
| 11:04.47 | Aguacero | and i have libqt |
| 11:04.55 | citral | Indal: no problem, think to add snd-via82xx in /etc/modules, so that it's loaded when you boot |
| 11:04.59 | PerfDave | Aguacero: apt-get install sim |
| 11:05.01 | MerlinCorey | sijork: yes, I use it daily |
| 11:05.06 | Indal | yeh it said it added it automatcally |
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| 11:05.16 | xam | sijork: it is useful for a lot of stuff ... only not for the stuff I was working at |
| 11:05.26 | PerfDave | Aguacero: It's always worth checking whether stuff has already been packaged for Debian, it will save you lots of hassle. |
| 11:05.30 | sijork | xam: What stuff was that? |
| 11:05.34 | Zmotok | help, grub doesn't want to start anymore :S |
| 11:05.41 | citral | !vagueness |
| 11:05.41 | Zmotok | it just prints GRUB and hangs |
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| 11:05.41 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
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| 11:06.00 | NaturalRoots | hi |
| 11:06.02 | sijork | !beavers |
| 11:06.02 | gamerscomplete | hi everyone |
| 11:06.03 | NaturalRoots | which the size of cache that I can place to store mine dist-upgrade of debian in squid? |
| 11:06.07 | NaturalRoots | in squid.conf |
| 11:06.09 | xam | sijork: PS/PDF document processing ... and then cluster/grid computing ... |
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| 11:06.26 | gamerscomplete | can someone tell me if this crontab is formated correctly because it doesnt seem to be working |
| 11:06.27 | gamerscomplete | 0 03 * * * GET http://www.dark-gate.com/serverip.php |
| 11:06.31 | Indal | Do you want to modify /etc/modprobe.d/sound (and /etc/modprobe.conf if present)? is what it said and clicked yes |
| 11:06.33 | sijork | xam: I dunno about PS/PDF, but cluster/grid needed a ton of maths for me. |
| 11:06.35 | NaturalRoots | maximum_object_size 10000 KB ?? |
| 11:06.59 | sijork | xam: We did thermo. coefficients. Fucking ass sucking complex shit. |
| 11:07.01 | xam | sijork: cluster/grid software, not the applications |
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| 11:07.20 | sijork | xam: Ahh. You built the clusters. I wrote for it. |
| 11:07.27 | xam | sijork: like 'X-Code', or globus, or gridengine |
| 11:07.33 | xam | sijork: ahh |
| 11:07.44 | sijork | xam: MPI is ass. I hate clusters now. |
| 11:07.48 | xam | sijork: hehe |
| 11:07.52 | sijork | xam: Won't touch it with a ten foot pole. |
| 11:08.03 | gamerscomplete | anyone about the crontab? |
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| 11:08.45 | xam | sijork: well, I'm doing scheduling algorithms ... not much maths there, more logical thinking |
| 11:09.06 | sijork | xam: There can be a lot of maths. Queuing theory, etc. |
| 11:09.10 | dondelelcaro | gamerscomplete: what about it? it'll work just fine. No idea what you expect it to do, though. |
| 11:09.13 | xam | gamerscomplete: looks not to bad |
| 11:09.29 | Bugalugs | cool. modconf just became my friend |
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| 11:09.41 | sijork | xam: Ever done RT scheduler? |
| 11:09.42 | gamerscomplete | I just want it to make a webpage load |
| 11:09.42 | testing1235 | if i boot with a newly built kernel that fails to detect certain hardware can i reboot with my previous good kernel without the newly built kernel having messed up my old hardware configs / settings etc? |
| 11:09.53 | xam | sijork: yes, part of 4th year |
| 11:09.53 | JVaughn | scheuduler fun |
| 11:09.55 | maestro[] | gamerscomplete: One sec |
| 11:09.56 | sijork | testing1235: Yes. |
| 11:10.08 | gamerscomplete | im gonna have it run because im on dialup and I wanna be able to get my IP address if my comp reconects from other places |
| 11:10.22 | maestro[] | gamerscomplete: http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html |
| 11:10.23 | Indal | hmm what exactly should i add in /etc/modules ? |
| 11:10.26 | sijork | xam: That stuff is nasty. Some of those algos. needed a ton of math. |
| 11:10.27 | xam | sijork: aswell as designing a 8bit cpu etc. and all that crap |
| 11:10.35 | gamerscomplete | thanks maestro |
| 11:10.38 | maestro[] | np |
| 11:10.38 | sijork | xam: 8 bit CPU would be fun. |
| 11:10.45 | sijork | xam: We did 8088 in VHDL. |
| 11:10.47 | xam | sijork: I have VHDL now |
| 11:10.58 | Knight_Lord | Do you usually increase max-readahead when dealing with raid arrays? |
| 11:11.03 | NaturalRoots | which the size of cache that I can place to store mine dist-upgrade of debian in squid? |
| 11:11.06 | sijork | xam: Did you synthesize to a FPGA? |
| 11:11.07 | NaturalRoots | maximum_object_size 10000 KB ?? |
| 11:11.10 | xam | s/have/hate |
| 11:11.16 | xam | sijork: yes |
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| 11:11.35 | sijork | xam: We didn't do that. Just wrote the code and ran through simulator. |
| 11:12.01 | xam | sijork: actually the funny thing is that our PCs were much too slow to simulate it ... |
| 11:12.23 | xam | sijork: at least not in real time, with all the debugging we wanted |
| 11:12.40 | sijork | xam: We worked on Sun Enterprise boxen. |
| 11:12.55 | sijork | xam: IIRC, it was a 4 CPU machine. |
| 11:13.09 | xam | sijork: argllll. P200s here |
| 11:13.14 | sijork | xam: But your PCs must be slow ass. |
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| 11:13.26 | sijork | xam: Yeah, I was about to say. Even an AMD 2k+ does decent simulation. |
| 11:13.31 | xam | sijork: sijork: I think they were even some P133 |
| 11:13.43 | citral | Indal: try to type the nick of the person you are talking about before your question (e.g. cit and press <TAB>) or we don't notice you are speaking |
| 11:13.53 | citral | s/about/to/ |
| 11:13.58 | xam | sijork: true, now, with modern hardware I'd think it could be fun |
| 11:14.09 | citral | Indal: just put snd-via82xx in /etc/modules |
| 11:14.20 | sijork | xam: You could get a kit from Xilinx for cheap. |
| 11:14.24 | sijork | xam: I got one to play with. |
| 11:14.36 | sijork | xam: They even have sample code for a VGA controller. |
| 11:14.39 | Dave-IE | how do I list all the users on my machine? |
| 11:14.43 | citral | who |
| 11:15.36 | xam | sijork: the software was also dreadful ... just CLI commands ... we had one (VGA) GUI programme do design/debug simple modules, but for writing the VHDL stuff we used a normal dos texteditor |
| 11:16.04 | sijork | xam: It was vi and tcsh for me! |
| 11:16.18 | sijork | xam: The Xilinx kit has a GUI nowadays. |
| 11:16.20 | xam | sijork: you lucky bastard ;) |
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| 11:17.20 | sijork | xam: What do you work on nowadays? |
| 11:17.58 | xam | sijork: well, now I do my PhD in grid/cluster scheduling (in combination with AI techniques) |
| 11:18.12 | Indal | citral: do i add snd-via82xx in /etc/modules ? |
| 11:18.18 | citral | Indal: yep |
| 11:18.22 | sijork | xam: Trippy. I write firmware for drives. |
| 11:18.23 | Indal | cool thanks ;-) |
| 11:18.27 | citral | Indal: and snd-pcm-oss |
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| 11:18.53 | xam | sijork: interesting ... IDE/SATA/SCSI? |
| 11:18.53 | Indal | hmm what's pcm-oss ? |
| 11:19.01 | sijork | xam: SCSI |
| 11:19.06 | Dave-IE | ? |
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| 11:19.10 | xam | sijork: good boy ;) |
| 11:19.12 | citral | Indal: it's for alsa's oss compatibility |
| 11:19.29 | hedekar | What's the best p2p file sharing client in Debian? |
| 11:19.29 | Indal | cool cheers |
| 11:19.39 | sijork | hedekar: gtk-gnutella |
| 11:19.43 | Knight_Lord | Is /proc/sys/vm/max-readahead from 2.4.27 in KB or Bytes? |
| 11:19.51 | DjMadness | I have a problem with qmail +debian +imap, anyone have an idea what i could of done wrong ? - i wrote the details on: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=24948 |
| 11:19.57 | xam | sijork: at least somebody who is definitely on the good side (of the force) |
| 11:20.30 | Guerin | hedekar: btlaunchmanycurses |
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| 11:20.41 | sijork | xam: Not a big deal. I actually hate SCSI. |
| 11:20.54 | citral | yeah bittornado rocks anything |
| 11:21.26 | sijork | xam: Read the SAM-III to find out why. The SCSI protocol is a mess. |
| 11:21.46 | xam | sijork: I'm waiting for SAS |
| 11:22.16 | sijork | xam: It's just another physical layer. They ain't gonna fix the commands and architecture. |
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| 11:22.48 | xam | sijork: I doubt ATA is so much better (ie. the protocol) |
| 11:23.06 | sijork | xam: Never done ATA so I wouldn't know. |
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| 11:23.20 | OxO1 | hi |
| 11:23.25 | wols_ | sijork: thing "scsi with less money available for good solutions" |
| 11:23.29 | wols_ | *think |
| 11:23.40 | wols_ | and several years behind SCSI |
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| 11:24.40 | sijork | wols: Not exactly a technical description. Lol. |
| 11:24.43 | TMM | doesn't sata and ieee1394 pretty much *use* the scsi protocol? |
| 11:24.46 | OxO1 | wipi |
| 11:24.57 | TMM | over different wires? |
| 11:25.22 | sijork | TMM: Don't know, but I'd hope not. |
| 11:25.35 | wols_ | TMM: ata started as emulation of st506 the original IBM XT interface, but over time it gets more and more like scsi since scsi is just better |
| 11:25.40 | TMM | I am pretty sure about firewire... |
| 11:26.16 | TMM | "original xt interface" as in "MFM" ? |
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| 11:26.26 | wols_ | as in MFM yes |
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| 11:26.35 | sijork | Anyone who thinks SCSI is good should go over to www.t10.org and read the standards. :) |
| 11:26.54 | wols_ | I didn't say "good", just better than ata |
| 11:27.15 | sijork | wols_: Well, I wasn't speaking to you directly. Just making an off-hand comment. |
| 11:27.17 | wols_ | scsi has 20+ years of cruft by now. of course that will drag down any goodness it once had |
| 11:27.26 | TMM | MFM... now, THAT was "interesting" |
| 11:27.39 | wols_ | MFM was hell |
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| 11:27.49 | TMM | I still have some not-so-fond memories of controllers frying |
| 11:27.57 | wols_ | I don't care the fuck about cylinders heads and crap like that |
| 11:28.04 | TMM | and having no way in hell to get the bloody data of the perfectly fine disk |
| 11:28.07 | js_ | is there a special programming language that's optimized for maths? |
| 11:28.08 | wols_ | but we still have that bagagge almost everywhere |
| 11:28.14 | PerfDave | Hmm, why is d-i getting updates from security.debian.org without asking me? |
| 11:28.18 | sijork | js_: Fortran or Matlab |
| 11:28.31 | sijork | js_: Matlab is a lot easier to learn IMHO. |
| 11:28.35 | js_ | sijork: ah, ok, thanks |
| 11:28.39 | js_ | yeah i've used matlab a bit |
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| 11:28.44 | TMM | js_: fortran? :) |
| 11:28.49 | Gathond | sijork: matlab is also quite expensive |
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| 11:29.08 | sijork | Gathond: There's an almost working Linux clone. |
| 11:29.08 | maestro[] | how can I make dpkg show me information about the versions of a package? |
| 11:29.11 | xam | matlab *shudder* |
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| 11:29.27 | xam | mathematica *even more shudder* |
| 11:29.46 | leikh | i did a dpkg --purge mailscanner and when it comes to 'Removing report files... |
| 11:29.49 | leikh | it just hangs |
| 11:29.50 | TMM | maestro[]: with apt-cache policy <packagename> you can see the currently installed and available versions if that's what you are after |
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| 11:30.08 | leikh | killed the process, and tried again. same problem... |
| 11:30.16 | maestro[] | TMM: Sorry, I meant the bot dpkg here in the channel |
| 11:30.23 | TMM | aha, lol :) |
| 11:30.27 | maestro[] | :) |
| 11:30.34 | gamerscomplete | with a crontab GET will load a web-page right? |
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| 11:31.01 | Realist` | http://www.pastebin.com/120288 |
| 11:31.03 | leikh | gamerscomplete: wget? |
| 11:31.05 | Realist` | Hello, my machine is a dedicated server in a datacenter, fresh installation of debian, when i am updating apt sources, i get timeout errors |
| 11:31.34 | sijork | Damn, I'm hungry. |
| 11:31.37 | wols_ | Realist`: run apt-setup |
| 11:31.38 | sijork | Brb. |
| 11:31.45 | wols_ | use another debian mirror |
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| 11:32.15 | gamerscomplete | I just want it to invoke a page to load on another machine |
| 11:32.23 | gamerscomplete | a webpage |
| 11:32.31 | leikh | how can i complete the dpkg --purge process when it just hangs at 'Removing report files'? |
| 11:32.41 | gamerscomplete | when the webpage loads it gets the IP address of the computer calling it then stores the IP addy in a DB |
| 11:33.14 | gamerscomplete | that way when my computer reconects to the net I can get that new IP address from other places |
| 11:33.36 | gamerscomplete | i just cant seem to get it to work though |
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| 11:34.01 | leikh | gamerscomplete: grep from apache access.log perhaps? |
| 11:34.25 | wols_ | gamerscomplete: you want to use another DNS server than the one your ISP gives you? |
| 11:34.38 | gamerscomplete | no |
| 11:34.55 | gamerscomplete | I have dialup with a LAN the lan has a server for my LAN |
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| 11:35.15 | traster | hallo zusammen |
| 11:35.31 | gamerscomplete | I want to make that server available when im out other places when my computer reconects to the net and changes IP because its on dialup |
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| 11:35.55 | OxO1 | how can i drop services in the boot of rc.d ? |
| 11:36.07 | takato2 | man update-rc.d |
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| 11:36.48 | OxO1 | perfecto :) |
| 11:37.11 | leikh | gamerscomplete: ok... so it uses dhcp. get the box to mail you the dhcp values |
| 11:37.37 | OxO1 | takato2 and after can i add this remove service? |
| 11:37.39 | gamerscomplete | it doesnt have mail set up |
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| 11:37.49 | gamerscomplete | and I want it accessible to other ppl as well |
| 11:37.50 | wols_ | i still don't get why he needs stuff like that. if he needs to map a dynamic IP to a hostname, he should use dyndns |
| 11:37.53 | takato2 | OxO1: you can do whatever you want. read the manpage. |
| 11:37.54 | wols_ | easier and less hassle |
| 11:37.59 | OxO1 | takato2 thanks :) |
| 11:38.02 | gamerscomplete | I have it all set up on my server and everything I just need to get the crontab working |
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| 11:38.26 | maestro[] | gamerscomplete: did you read the docs? |
| 11:38.31 | gamerscomplete | yes |
| 11:38.39 | gamerscomplete | my cron tab should be working from what I can see |
| 11:38.46 | gamerscomplete | */1 * * * * root GET http://www.dark-gate.com/serverip.php |
| 11:38.52 | gamerscomplete | thats the one im currently trying to run |
| 11:38.57 | OxO1 | mmm |
| 11:39.01 | gamerscomplete | and it just doesnt do anything |
| 11:39.08 | OxO1 | is not posible that |
| 11:39.11 | leikh | gamerscomplete: set up a lynx -dump and then you check the remote apache access.log |
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| 11:39.18 | OxO1 | */1 * * * * root php http://www.dark-gate.com/serverip.php |
| 11:39.27 | wols_ | is "GET" runnable command in your shell? |
| 11:39.32 | wols_ | if not, why would it work? |
| 11:39.36 | gamerscomplete | I think so |
| 11:39.38 | maestro[] | wols_: Yep |
| 11:39.42 | leikh | gamerscomplete: /usr/sbin/get ? |
| 11:39.55 | OxO1 | alias GET="lynx -dump"; |
| 11:40.00 | wols_ | leikh: if anything, wget |
| 11:40.04 | Guerin | what's wrong with wget? |
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| 11:40.07 | maestro[] | wols_: libwww-perl |
| 11:40.09 | wols_ | that will work and get that page |
| 11:40.14 | gamerscomplete | so I should use wget? |
| 11:40.19 | maestro[] | gamerscomplete: yep |
| 11:40.25 | gamerscomplete | k thnx ill try that |
| 11:40.42 | maestro[] | gamerscomplete: does the command work if you run it outside of cron? |
| 11:40.47 | leikh | gamerscomplete: sometimes you have to set full path to command, ex /usr/bin/wget |
| 11:41.00 | citral | better so |
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| 11:42.28 | citral | backup day, already 12 CD's burned. Boring. |
| 11:42.29 | leikh | gamerscomplete: and what shell have you set cron to use? |
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| 11:43.18 | Guerin | 13 backup cds, hanging on the spindle |
| 11:43.40 | Guerin | and if one backup cd should accidentally ... something that rhymes with spindle |
| 11:43.46 | Guerin | there'll be |
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| 11:45.07 | PerfDave | Guerin: brindle! |
| 11:45.15 | gamerscomplete | wget worked |
| 11:45.16 | OxO1 | anybody know how can i install "jail" for put security in one system |
| 11:45.16 | Guerin | !dict brindle |
| 11:45.17 | gamerscomplete | thanks guys |
| 11:45.18 | dpkg | Dictionary 'brindle' (3 shown): Brindle \Brin"dle\, n. [See Brindled.] 1. The state of being brindled. ;; 2. A brindled color; also, that which is brindled. ;; having a gray or brown streak or a pattern or a patchy coloring; used especially of the patterned fur of cats . |
| 11:45.31 | gamerscomplete | and I dont have cron set to use a shell I didnt know I needed to |
| 11:45.31 | OxO1 | !dict hola |
| 11:45.33 | dpkg | could not find definition for hola |
| 11:45.38 | OxO1 | !dict french |
| 11:45.39 | dpkg | Dictionary 'french' (1 shown; 26 total): Sole \Sole\, n. [F. sole, L. solea; -- so named from its flat shape. See Sole of the foot.] (Zo["o]l.) (a) Any one of several species of flatfishes of the genus Solea and allied genera of the family Soleid[ae], especially the common European species (Solea vulgaris), which is a valuable food fish. (b) Any one of several American flounders somewhat resembling the true sole in form or quality, as the California sole (Lepidopsett |
| 11:45.39 | dpkg | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.48 | gamerscomplete | im not really a linux guru im just trying to make my way through it as I go |
| 11:45.54 | testing1235 | where is the boot log stored in debian? i.e. a log of the initial boot up msgs??? |
| 11:46.07 | OxO1 | testing1235 : dmesg |
| 11:46.08 | PerfDave | testing1235: /var/log/dmesg |
| 11:46.11 | Guerin | PerfDave: I guess you could argue that a cd which got badly munted by something which changed its colour to brindle was the equivalent of a bottle of beer hanging on a wall |
| 11:46.19 | Guerin | but honestly |
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| 11:46.23 | Guerin | think of the beer! |
| 11:46.30 | PerfDave | Mmm, beer :) |
| 11:46.37 | testing1235 | ty |
| 11:47.07 | citral | FUCKING NFS |
| 11:47.19 | wols | that's really perverse |
| 11:47.29 | citral | I HATE NFS |
| 11:47.36 | Guerin | what's wrong with nfs? |
| 11:47.39 | OxO1 | why citral |
| 11:47.42 | citral | It hangs |
| 11:47.43 | Guerin | apart from the obvious... |
| 11:47.47 | OxO1 | for my is exeptional |
| 11:47.52 | Guerin | not for me, it doesn't |
| 11:48.00 | aglet | swap you NFS for Samba; I'm having all kinds of pain getting it to work smoothly with Win 2003 |
| 11:48.07 | OxO1 | but u need to put a lot rules in your fiwerall |
| 11:48.10 | Guerin | shfs! |
| 11:48.29 | aglet | citral: maybe you dn't need a hard mount |
| 11:48.39 | OxO1 | ntfs o nfs? |
| 11:48.46 | OxO1 | because is a lot diference |
| 11:48.50 | Guerin | since I end up being shelled into all my nfs boxen anyway |
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| 11:49.07 | Guerin | OxO1: I think he probably knows the difference between nfs and ntfs |
| 11:49.10 | citral | aglet: dunno, I have miles:/home /mnt/home nfs rw,hard,intr,noauto 0 0 |
| 11:49.20 | citral | is that false? |
| 11:49.29 | OxO1 | citral but where is the route |
| 11:49.29 | Guerin | no, that should work |
| 11:49.35 | OxO1 | where do u get the files? |
| 11:49.39 | OxO1 | for example |
| 11:49.45 | Guerin | you might try soft, fx |
| 11:49.54 | citral | yes, I'll try that |
| 11:49.54 | Guerin | OxO1: ? |
| 11:50.02 | citral | OxO1: ? |
| 11:50.02 | OxO1 | mount -t nfs 192.168.1.1:/files/quake /mnt/quake |
| 11:50.08 | citral | bah |
| 11:50.11 | Guerin | citral: soft makes it easier to kill it if it goes comatose |
| 11:50.16 | Guerin | OxO1: muppet |
| 11:50.21 | citral | OxO1: the route is in /etc/hosts |
| 11:50.29 | Guerin | OxO1: don't need that ugliness if you have /etc/hosts |
| 11:50.41 | citral | muppet muppet :) |
| 11:50.51 | OxO1 | is more easy if you configure autofs |
| 11:51.00 | Guerin | autofs is broken atm |
| 11:51.20 | Guerin | and nfs has too many moving parts anyway, I'd hate to add another layer of fragility |
| 11:51.34 | OxO1 | ok |
| 11:52.04 | Guerin | nfs gave me nothing but pain and misery on mandy and hat |
| 11:52.19 | Guerin | they had all these stupid gui tools which did nothing but fuck things up |
| 11:52.49 | Dave-IE | hey guys the Samba room is dead or isit just me |
| 11:52.53 | wols | isn't that the purpose of a GUI: fuck up things in a pretty way? |
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| 11:53.04 | OxO1 | i don't know |
| 11:53.21 | OxO1 | allez allez la france |
| 11:53.21 | citral | grrrr I can!gui tools |
| 11:53.28 | citral | !gui tools |
| 11:53.29 | dpkg | Don't use gui tools for diagnostics unless you have absolutely no choice. Console-based tools give much more useful and sane feedback, and often are more configurable. |
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| 11:54.28 | arturaz | hey. anyone thought about integrating perl's cpan into debian? so like i cpan install sth it would look for missing dependencies in debian packages? |
| 11:54.35 | maestro[] | is the latest kde in unstable really 3.1? |
| 11:54.45 | jm_ | arturaz: tried dh-make-perl ? |
| 11:54.45 | dondelelcaro | arturaz: yes, it's called dh-make-perl |
| 11:54.51 | takato2 | maestro[]: 3.3.1 i think |
| 11:55.02 | dondelelcaro | arturaz: but almost anything you'd really use is already packaged and in Debian anyway. |
| 11:55.10 | arturaz | jm_, Config::YAML ain't |
| 11:55.12 | arturaz | junoscript too :) |
| 11:55.21 | maestro[] | odd |
| 11:55.26 | maestro[] | takato2: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?version=all&subword=0&exact=1&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=kde-core&searchon=names |
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| 11:55.59 | PerfDave | Wow, people use YAML? :) |
| 11:56.40 | takato2 | maestro[]: search for kdelibs |
| 11:56.42 | dondelelcaro | arturaz: so dh-make-perl --build --cpan Config::YAML |
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| 11:57.04 | dondelelcaro | not that Config::YAML is particularly brilliant... |
| 11:57.14 | maestro[] | takato2: Ah I see |
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| 11:57.46 | maestro[] | takato2: It's a but puzzeling tough, anyway |
| 11:58.00 | takato2 | maestro[]: yeah, try #debian-kde ? |
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| 11:59.19 | maestro[] | takato2: Well, it's not so dramatic that I have to join a channel for that... I'm not using kde anyway, I was just wondering |
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| 11:59.35 | arturaz | dpkg-gencontrol: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 14: continued value line not in field |
| 11:59.38 | arturaz | dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 2304 |
| 11:59.40 | arturaz | make: *** [binary-indep] Error 1 |
| 11:59.43 | arturaz | make: Leaving directory `/home/x11/Config-YAML-1.28' |
| 11:59.46 | arturaz | Cannot create deb package |
| 11:59.48 | arturaz | wtf? :) |
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| 11:59.57 | takato2 | maestro[]: lol, yeah, i think i saw it when i was upgrading, but...i'm yet to use it. stuck with xfce4.2 and gnome |
| 12:01.25 | vir182 | i configured the F86Config-4 for my laptop to work with dual head mode. created 2 layouts, one for single head, one for dual head. is there a way to tell my xserver automatically to switch from dual head to single head when i unplug my external monitor? |
| 12:01.37 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 280824 |
| 12:01.41 | dpkg | DONE:#280824:G[vim-doc] vim-doc: Preinst deletes symlinks in /usr/share/doc (sid) [#280825,#280865] |
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| 12:02.15 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or with paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian is NOT Knoppix | GNOME 2.8? /msg dpkg gnome2.8 | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | SECURITY: imagemagick DSA 593-1 |
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| 12:02.33 | dondelelcaro | diff: SECURITY imagemagick DSA 593-1; vim-doc unhorked. |
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| 12:03.54 | GarySaved | I have a problem with my Mouse. When I click anything, it registers several clicks. |
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| 12:04.27 | maestro[] | vir182: If there is a way, tell me, that sounds interesting |
| 12:05.33 | GarySaved | The settings in the control center look O.K. |
| 12:05.53 | maestro[] | GarySaved: Wrong mouse protocol? |
| 12:06.23 | maestro[] | GarySaved: That happend once when I used Imps/2 instead of something with logitech |
| 12:06.35 | GarySaved | O.K. I'll Check! |
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| 12:07.55 | kauka | vad är kortkommandot för att maximera ett fönster i xP ? |
| 12:08.58 | GarySaved | Hmmm... This just has user settings in the Control Center. |
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| 12:09.25 | muppo | kauka: you do know this is an english speaking chan with debian linux operating system and NOT windows xp? |
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| 12:10.15 | kauka | did not know abaut that, well. somebody must nkow the answear for this question ? :> |
| 12:10.39 | muppo | try #help |
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| 12:10.50 | msn | well atleast ask your question in english kauka |
| 12:10.51 | pwned | no don't troll #help |
| 12:10.56 | wols | and I'm sure someone understands swedish as well, but I doubt it will be 95% of this channel |
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| 12:11.27 | PerfDave | bajsmacker! |
| 12:11.38 | maestro[] | gamerscomplete: does it work now? |
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| 12:11.45 | PerfDave | That is about the only Swedish I know. Despite living with a Swedish girlfriend for nearly a year. |
| 12:11.46 | maestro[] | gamerscomplete: cron thing and all |
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| 12:12.22 | citral | msn: your nick sucks :P |
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| 12:13.01 | bogdan | hello everyone :) |
| 12:13.17 | sanity | i'm looking for some people to help me test a distributed P2P cache that could be integrated with apt-get for fast updates. its dead easy to run, but is at an early stage. if interested please join #dijjer and read the /topic |
| 12:13.17 | msn | msn="Microsoft's Nightmare" |
| 12:13.31 | msn | and I heard it a lot many times citral |
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| 12:13.59 | PerfDave | sanity: Not if it involves running java ;) |
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| 12:14.18 | bogdan | hi PerfDave |
| 12:14.19 | bogdan | :) |
| 12:14.27 | sanity | PerfDave: it compiles using gcc if you want |
| 12:14.48 | linoleum | hello . I got some .rar files ... I installed unrar via apt-get ... but when I try to extract them , I do unrar thefile.part01.rar ... but it gives me an error : 1 Failed |
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| 12:15.01 | maestro[] | linoleum: unrar-nonfree |
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| 12:15.14 | msn | land its unrar x filename |
| 12:15.17 | PerfDave | sanity: CBA at the moment, I have no bandwidth anyway. I had an idea for something which looks similar to what you're trying to do, but as an HTTP proxy. |
| 12:15.28 | maestro[] | linoleum: I don't know what's up with unrar, but I could not extract a single file |
| 12:15.33 | msn | bogdan: its not MSN its msn. |
| 12:15.37 | bogdan | msn |
| 12:15.38 | sanity | PerfDave: it is a http proxy |
| 12:15.42 | bogdan | alright .. if you say so :) |
| 12:15.50 | Frettchen | hallo. germans here? |
| 12:15.56 | sanity | nein |
| 12:15.59 | jhaig | Why does 'find /var/www/html -depth -type f \( -ctime -1 -o -mtime -1 \) -print' show files that were last modified back in 1999? It should only list those last modified or created yesterday. Thanks. |
| 12:16.03 | FrdFlint | linoleum mine works with unrar e filename |
| 12:16.11 | Frettchen | ich bräuchte hilfe mit knoppix |
| 12:16.23 | maestro[] | Frettchen: Hm |
| 12:16.34 | SlayerXP | Frettchen: /part #debian; /join #knoppix |
| 12:16.35 | bogdan | Frettchen knoppix ist nicht debian ... |
| 12:16.44 | Frettchen | thx |
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| 12:16.52 | maestro[] | freenote: Zwei Dinge solltest du wissen... 1. das ist ein englischsprechender Chat, 2. debian ist nicht knoppix.. |
| 12:16.56 | maestro[] | ups |
| 12:17.01 | maestro[] | Frettchen: Zwei Dinge solltest du wissen... 1. das ist ein englischsprechender Chat, 2. debian ist nicht knoppix.. |
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| 12:17.45 | linoleum | maestro[]: cool , unrar-nonfree works , tkx :) |
| 12:17.54 | maestro[] | linoleum: np |
| 12:18.03 | citral | !pornsmite linoleum |
| 12:18.10 | linoleum | FrdFlint: yep, e is the extract command , tkx |
| 12:18.23 | linoleum | cool |
| 12:18.32 | bogdan | just curious are there any free 3d modelling applications available for debian.. besides all commercial ones.. i.e. Maya |
| 12:18.33 | linoleum | I like it citral |
| 12:18.39 | citral | linoleum: mwahaha |
| 12:18.52 | citral | bogdan: blender rocks |
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| 12:19.00 | FrdFlint | bogdan what exactly are you wanting? |
| 12:19.02 | citral | it is pro and free |
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| 12:19.05 | bogdan | m everyone tells me good things about blender :) |
| 12:19.22 | citral | bogdan: look at blender.org the results... awesome |
| 12:19.23 | bogdan | well 3d modelling, animation, making small movies |
| 12:19.25 | bogdan | it's what i do :) |
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| 12:20.11 | bogdan | i do have a maya 6 package round here somewhere in a box (*grins.. stupid man who got it for me*) |
| 12:21.00 | FrdFlint | i have a bunch of different ones for that evil Windows |
| 12:21.03 | maestro[] | linoleum: unrar (free) can only handle rarfiles <= 2.9 |
| 12:21.14 | scoopex | # |
| 12:21.20 | bogdan | well ..Maya is nice.. works on Linux but it does cost a fortune |
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| 12:21.22 | bogdan | :/ |
| 12:21.23 | bogdan | :) |
| 12:21.51 | FrdFlint | i have it here also but never cost me a cent and havent used it |
| 12:21.58 | FrdFlint | wouldnt know where to start |
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| 12:22.01 | msn | bogdan: you can try povray but its more programming than graphics |
| 12:22.06 | bogdan | :) |
| 12:22.10 | msn | and it gives really nice graphics. |
| 12:22.17 | bogdan | FrdFlint how did you get Maya for free? :) |
| 12:22.20 | bogdan | just curious.. |
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| 12:22.24 | bogdan | not that i paid for it.. |
| 12:22.36 | bogdan | okay.. will keep povray in mind msn ..thanks |
| 12:22.38 | FrdFlint | ever heard of Apple Shake? |
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| 12:22.45 | citral | don't forget this is a public channel |
| 12:22.49 | bogdan | nope never heard of Apple Shake :) |
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| 12:23.25 | FrdFlint | it was used on one of the newer movies |
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| 12:23.41 | bogdan | ah |
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| 12:23.49 | bogdan | well i know Maya is used alot in film industry |
| 12:23.59 | citral | it is. |
| 12:24.02 | bogdan | i've also seen some folks using some 3d suite.. not maya though on SGI |
| 12:24.12 | bogdan | very nice those SGI boxes for graphics at least |
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| 12:25.11 | msn | well that's what they earn their living from bogdan |
| 12:25.21 | muppo | hm, i seem to have some troubble getting my webcam to work... i got the module and all loaded but when i run "xawtv" i get this error msg http://www.pastebin.com/120291 does anyone have any suggestions on how to fix that ? |
| 12:25.46 | maestro[] | muppo: No such device :) |
| 12:25.59 | muppo | yes i saw that and its plugged in :P |
| 12:26.11 | muppo | ( the cam ) |
| 12:26.16 | maestro[] | muppo: Is the module loaded? |
| 12:26.21 | citral | maybe discover would help |
| 12:26.36 | muppo | maestro[]: as i said yes |
| 12:26.38 | PerfDave | blender's starting to get used professionally, apparently. |
| 12:26.47 | muppo | citral: discover? |
| 12:26.49 | PerfDave | Mostly because it's cheap ;) |
| 12:27.00 | citral | muppo: it's an hardware detection tool |
| 12:27.10 | citral | muppo: loads the right modules for you |
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