| 00:00.03 | stew | !netinst |
| 00:00.03 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/; for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:00.38 | dafart | hi there |
| 00:00.42 | dafart | a short question |
| 00:00.46 | factotum | netinst is great, up n runnin in 20 minutes, cnat complain |
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| 00:00.53 | rose | stew: I don't seem to get anything worthwhile |
| 00:00.55 | factotum | *cant |
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| 00:01.04 | green_earz | juures: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 00:01.07 | sussudio | dafart: ubuntu is not debian. |
| 00:01.15 | gothtec | John Connor has enough C4 to "take out ten super-computers". How much do you need to take one out? |
| 00:01.39 | stew | gothtec: probably very little |
| 00:01.41 | directhex | gothtec, one tenth of what he had |
| 00:01.47 | dafart | I had to install a package with the dpkg handle "--ignore-depends=" |
| 00:02.00 | dafart | and now apt-get and synaptic complain about broken packages |
| 00:02.06 | dafart | I know ubuntu isn't debian |
| 00:02.17 | dafart | but that has nothing to do with my question' |
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| 00:02.41 | LU7DFV | dafart: what about apt-get -f install |
| 00:03.03 | dafart | does force install also ignore dependancie checks? |
| 00:03.09 | juures | are there any mirrors of cdimage.debian.org |
| 00:03.10 | citral | rose: you can probably simply run "dpkg -r --purge gv", there is nothing depending on it. |
| 00:03.13 | dafart | since the app installs fine after ignoring |
| 00:03.44 | LU7DFV | dafart: As far as I know apt-get -f install (without any extra thing) will try to solve dependencies problem |
| 00:04.01 | green_earz | factotum: did you install the 2.6 kernel from the begining ? with linux26 at the very first promtp after the net installer booted ? |
| 00:04.08 | dafart | ok I'll give it a go |
| 00:04.11 | stew | dafart: why on earth did you "have to" use --ignore-depends? |
| 00:04.49 | sussudio | stew: because he's using ubuntu and not debian and it's fucked |
| 00:05.02 | factotum | green_earz, yup |
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| 00:05.44 | rose | citral: I can't seem to use -r and --purge |
| 00:06.07 | citral | rose: be precise, do you get an error message? which one? |
| 00:06.07 | LU7DFV | I'm using debian and I don't follow dependencies always... better pack your own debs |
| 00:06.22 | green_earz | factotum: would you say that the net installer is the way forwards ? for the future ? |
| 00:06.23 | citral | yeah yeah |
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| 00:06.30 | rose | conflitcting actions remove and purge |
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| 00:06.33 | citral | better stfu |
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| 00:06.51 | simonrvn | green_earz: don't have much choice in the matter, eh? |
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| 00:06.56 | LU7DFV | Eh? |
| 00:07.04 | _morbid_ | how to make nautilus associate .doc to openoffice as it does to .sdw? |
| 00:07.05 | alex-x | . |
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| 00:07.09 | juures | stew > can the cd be booted from floppy |
| 00:07.15 | simonrvn | LU7DFV: IOW, don't give out crap advice |
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| 00:07.21 | rose | could I perhaps tell dpkg to overwrite the old versions without bothering to remove them? |
| 00:07.28 | citral | rose: maybe it must be done in two times, just try dpkg -r gv |
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| 00:07.42 | green_earz | simonrvn: as dsl becomes more comman |
| 00:07.56 | factotum | green_earz, dont know what you mean, but I have broadband so it was easy. I just used apt to grap what I wanted, didnt bother with any pre-defined collection. Ive been running without X for about a week, just installed it today |
| 00:08.03 | simonrvn | green_earz: eh? |
| 00:08.08 | rose | citral: it says reinstall it before remove |
| 00:08.10 | simonrvn | never mind... |
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| 00:08.24 | citral | rose: ah, "apt-get install --reinstall gv" |
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| 00:08.29 | KillerPOP | hello - |
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| 00:08.41 | citral | !seen - |
| 00:08.41 | dpkg | citral: i haven't seen '-' |
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| 00:08.53 | green_earz | factotum: same here apt-get install kde-core |
| 00:09.05 | citral | simonrvn: coffee? |
| 00:09.09 | rose | citral: it won't let me use apt-get till I fix the dependancy issue |
| 00:09.15 | stew | juures: yes. but you haven't really told us what was wrong with your current floppy set. if you have old ide hardware it should definatly have worked fine even with an older installer |
| 00:09.17 | citral | hrmf |
| 00:09.20 | nile | what determines what is logged by syslog to /var/log/syslog.0? |
| 00:09.33 | citral | rose: and you already tried apt-get -f install I suppose? |
| 00:09.37 | WiFiTux | debug events |
| 00:09.39 | stew | rose: have you tried to --reinstall the package? |
| 00:09.44 | rose | citral: yes |
| 00:09.45 | LU7DFV | simonm: Ah.. Well, first of all, I'm not english native, so I don't understand when talk with abreviatures, second, is not bad to pack your own .debs... For example, apt-get install sylpheed on sid requires many libraries because it's compiled with every feature it has, I've packed my own sylpheed, with only what I need |
| 00:09.50 | LU7DFV | simonrvn: sorry |
| 00:09.53 | rose | when that happens dpkg fails to remove the old one |
| 00:10.02 | rose | then won't install the new one |
| 00:10.16 | WiFiTux | rose, what package is it anyway |
| 00:10.17 | KillerPOP | when i try to login to my x-server, (using KDE as my manager), the screen goes black right after it tries to initilize the "Prepherials".... any insight on this? |
| 00:10.20 | rose | gv |
| 00:10.29 | stew | rose: do you still have the old .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 00:10.31 | avoid | I have a simple question. How can I remove a pkg from my system, as well as purging it's conf files, and also purging the data in /var/cache/ or so ? |
| 00:10.31 | directhex | KillerPOP, yes, kde sucks. that's insight enough |
| 00:10.33 | simonrvn | citral: no, seeing if there's anything i need to do admin-wise. coffee soon though :) |
| 00:10.34 | juures | stew > when i got to the stage where i should partition my hd's the installer couldent access them |
| 00:10.46 | citral | rose: then you have probably to edit the fucking remove script by hand... |
| 00:10.58 | KillerPOP | well i know it blows |
| 00:10.59 | avoid | is it apt-get uninstall --purge <pkg-name> ? |
| 00:11.07 | stew | juures: ask in #debian-boot |
| 00:11.09 | rose | stew: no, I never had a .deb for it |
| 00:11.13 | citral | apt-get remove --purge |
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| 00:11.42 | avoid | citral: thanks. |
| 00:11.44 | citral | rose: where does it come from then? |
| 00:11.59 | avoid | that I suppose will completely REMOVE it from my system |
| 00:12.20 | rose | citral: it's the same one originall installed |
| 00:12.20 | toubsu | my machine keeps resetting it's hostname to a DNS match...i tried to set it with the hostname command, or with /etc/hostname, but to no avail..? |
| 00:12.28 | juures | stew > then when i ran configure hardware ita said it was missing drivers for the motherboard apg and ide disks |
| 00:12.30 | citral | no no, remove --purge will install |
| 00:12.40 | green_earz | KillerPOP: is the mouse set up right in xserver ? |
| 00:13.04 | stew | juures: #debian-boot (its the channel for d-i) |
| 00:13.06 | citral | rose: you mean you just installed debian, and it refuses the first upgrade? |
| 00:13.20 | juures | stew > ok thanks |
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| 00:14.01 | rose | citral: I installed it a month ago, and it refuses to upgrade now |
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| 00:14.18 | tony | anyone using LAI? |
| 00:14.24 | citral | !polls |
| 00:14.24 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 00:14.27 | stew | rose: you need to figure out what file its choking on during the remove. strace will tell you |
| 00:14.30 | tony | sorry, that's 'LAI' |
| 00:14.37 | rose | is there anyway to make dpkg to install without removing the old version? |
| 00:14.43 | thomas_adam | tony: Actually that's "we couldn't care less". |
| 00:14.45 | tony | duh, must be getting tired "FAI" rather |
| 00:14.59 | stew | rose: strace apt-get remove gv 2>&1 | grep open maybe |
| 00:15.05 | rose | stew: strace shows me a ton of memmap stuff, it's tons of pages long, and I can't scroll back |
| 00:15.13 | Gavrila | hi there I had just updated and dist-upgraded sid, and I received this error though it wasn't a "blocker" one |
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| 00:15.16 | tony | thomas_adam , thanks for your kind assistance |
| 00:15.18 | Gavrila | ** (process:4774): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 00:15.20 | stew | rose: strace ... 2>&1 | less |
| 00:15.27 | green_earz | rose: is your apt source ok ? use apt-setup to pick a different mirro |
| 00:15.28 | citral | rose: that's what grep is made for |
| 00:15.32 | xam | anybody taking polls? |
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| 00:15.48 | thomas_adam | xam: You polling for polls? :P |
| 00:15.54 | citral | green_earz: follow a little bit, ohhhh ehhhh hein??? :) |
| 00:16.00 | green_earz | ok |
| 00:16.08 | Gavrila | it showed up between the configuring of bug-buddy and the one og libeels |
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| 00:16.22 | Gavrila | libeel2* |
| 00:16.23 | xam | thomas_adam: I could also questioning questions if you prefer that |
| 00:16.30 | citral | ne1 use debain? |
| 00:16.43 | thomas_adam | xam: Whatever floats your boat, lovey. :P |
| 00:16.46 | Gavrila | has anybdy got a clue? |
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| 00:16.54 | thomas_adam | Gavrila: dpkg does. |
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| 00:17.01 | Timbo | Unpacking replacement debconf ... |
| 00:17.01 | Timbo | Setting up debconf (1.4.30.10) ... |
| 00:17.01 | Timbo | SyntaxError: ("duplicate argument 'p1' in function definition",) |
| 00:17.06 | Timbo | any clues? |
| 00:17.12 | xam | citral: oh, that's a good one ... combining 'ne1' AND pools AND obvious stupidity |
| 00:17.13 | citral | !cluebat Timbo |
| 00:17.16 | cafuego | Timbo: check the bts |
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| 00:17.25 | Timbo | i did, didn't see anything |
| 00:17.30 | citral | xam: :P |
| 00:17.30 | Gavrila | thomas_adam, u mean the bot in this channel or dpkg the command? |
| 00:17.35 | Timbo | debconf package? |
| 00:17.36 | thomas_adam | Gavrila: The bot. |
| 00:17.53 | tony | this 'FAI' tool seems really nice |
| 00:18.01 | nile | is there any good reason that there are some .pid files in /var/run for daemons that don't exist? |
| 00:18.02 | tony | just trying to get some pointers on using it |
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| 00:18.35 | citral | nile: ghost in the machine? |
| 00:18.45 | juures | #debian-boot is dead silent |
| 00:18.53 | nile | citral, then... they /aren't/ supposed to remain...? |
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| 00:19.08 | nvz | oh boy |
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| 00:19.19 | rose2 | citral: gv.prerm |
| 00:19.44 | arnon | how do I test send an email using exim4 ? |
| 00:19.48 | Timbo | cafuego: is there a specific bug you know of, or were you talking generally? |
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| 00:20.06 | WiFi | what's the module to load for more than one CPU? |
| 00:20.21 | Gavrila | thomas_adam, I don't understand how should I query the bot other than gnome2.8 or cluebat... :O |
| 00:20.26 | thingfish | you need the smp version of the kernel |
| 00:20.27 | stew | WiFi: you need a kernel that was compiled for SMP, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:20.29 | bbrazil | WiFi: you need a 'smp' kernel |
| 00:20.30 | WiFi | I mean, so it recognizes Hyper-Threading or SMP |
| 00:20.30 | citral | WiFi: that's a whole kernel |
| 00:20.39 | thingfish | it sure is |
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| 00:20.46 | doub | hi there |
| 00:20.47 | citral | is WiFi WiFiTux ? |
| 00:20.47 | WiFi | Whole Kernel? |
| 00:20.55 | WiFi | citral, yep, but dropper. |
| 00:20.57 | WiFi | dropped. |
| 00:21.00 | citral | grrrrr |
| 00:21.04 | citral | :) |
| 00:21.22 | citral | WiFi: pick up a kernel-smp |
| 00:21.27 | WiFi | citral, ? forget hate. |
| 00:21.38 | WiFi | crap a whole kernel just to support smp... |
| 00:21.49 | citral | I don't hate, I just annoy. |
| 00:21.56 | rose2 | citral: so what should I do about it not finding gv.prerm? |
| 00:22.02 | WiFi | citral, is it the same .config? |
| 00:22.16 | citral | rose2: uh, I don't know |
| 00:22.23 | nile | can someone help me understand how syslog logs files? first, it logs all entries to /var/log/syslog. then, it starts logging them to syslog.0. now, it's back to syslog..? |
| 00:22.36 | doub | i'd like to know if anyone knows of a way to find potato (yes, the old 2.2) isos / jigdo files (found a repository) for an old off-line server? |
| 00:22.38 | thomas_adam | citral: There'll be an update on that irssi theme, should you stil be using it. |
| 00:22.42 | rose2 | citral: dpkg isn't smart enough to overwrite without removing? |
| 00:22.48 | avoid | may I know how to list all my pkgs installed on my sys ? |
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| 00:23.16 | green_earz | avoid: dpkg -l |
| 00:23.32 | Timbo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=58980 <- haha |
| 00:23.34 | citral | thomas_adam: I don't understand. Do you mean the irssi web site? |
| 00:23.39 | avoid | oh |
| 00:23.45 | green_earz | avoid: or dpkg -l | more |
| 00:24.01 | citral | rose2: nope. |
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| 00:24.15 | rose2 | citral: :( |
| 00:24.22 | rose2 | so I'm basically stuck then |
| 00:24.35 | Timbo | so has around one seen this? |
| 00:24.46 | WiFiTux | kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.4.27 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP |
| 00:25.00 | WiFiTux | That doesn't mention Xeon, so I think I should assume it.. |
| 00:25.10 | Guerin | doub: archive.debian.org might have them; they definitely still have all the files, so you can ptobably make a cd quite trivially. |
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| 00:25.20 | ixi-deb04 | Hi. |
| 00:25.33 | Guerin | WiFiTux: a xeon is just a 686 with dual capabilities |
| 00:25.45 | avoid | I've just counted my root password chars. 29 ! |
| 00:25.47 | ixi-deb04 | Offtopic GIMP question: anybody knows how to remove selected area from a layer? |
| 00:26.01 | zinx | clear... |
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| 00:26.11 | bascule | cut ... |
| 00:26.28 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I know, it's just that wasn't listed... |
| 00:26.29 | Guerin | ixi-deb04: twtowtdi |
| 00:26.30 | MFen | anyone familiar with pbuild? know how to make it use a different sed package? |
| 00:26.41 | xam | Guerin: not only. It usually has larger caches aswell, and might support more than dual SMP |
| 00:26.45 | MFen | i am trying to create my initial tarball, and well, it's failing because of sed |
| 00:26.47 | green_earz | avoid: or apt-get install synaptic for a package manager |
| 00:26.52 | Guerin | xam: hrm, that's true |
| 00:26.52 | ixi-deb04 | Guerin: sorry? |
| 00:27.00 | Guerin | !tmtowtdi |
| 00:27.00 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 00:27.06 | WiFiTux | Guerin, another thing, Could I install woody or the d-i with a EM64T? |
| 00:27.18 | ixi-deb04 | Guerin: oh, thanks :) |
| 00:27.20 | xam | Guerin: I have a dual pentium-II 450 at home, and those are NOT xeons ;) |
| 00:27.22 | Guerin | WiFiTux: wtf is one of those when it's at home? |
| 00:27.23 | citral | or in sex |
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| 00:27.46 | Guerin | xam: oh yeah, pIIs could still be smped, but after that they neutered them |
| 00:27.55 | Timbo | is there any way to search the bts on message content? |
| 00:28.05 | avoid | I don't like synaptic green_earz |
| 00:28.09 | Guerin | xam: but since WiFiTux knew, I didn't bother explaining it all... |
| 00:28.44 | xam | Guerin: sadly true |
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| 00:29.06 | green_earz | avoid: or aptitude |
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| 00:29.15 | Timbo | guess not... |
| 00:29.17 | rich_ | Hello |
| 00:29.19 | avoid | whatever |
| 00:29.33 | doub | Guerin: seems like it's unreachable (litterally what ping says) |
| 00:29.34 | ixi-deb04 | bascule, zinx: neither C-K nor C-X actually do that - still I see white instead of underlying layer :( |
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| 00:29.41 | Guerin | xam: still, I know a guy who's been running 2 cel300a chips o/ced to 550 each as a massive-load fileserver since they were released in 1999 or whenever it was. |
| 00:29.48 | avoid | ok, so apt-get remove --purge <pkg-name> will completely remove a installed pkg ? |
| 00:29.49 | Gavrila | thomas_adam, have you got a more enlightening clue ? I couldn't figure out anything from dpkg bot :( |
| 00:30.19 | green_earz | avoid: yes |
| 00:30.27 | Guerin | doub: there are plenty of mirrors |
| 00:30.27 | phaedral | afternoon all |
| 00:30.28 | avoid | ok, thanks |
| 00:30.37 | WiFiTux | Guerin, is not for home... It's at work... I want to install that EM64T :) |
| 00:30.56 | Guerin | !em64t |
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| 00:31.09 | xam | WiFiTux: ahh, that pseudo 64bit stuff? |
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| 00:31.33 | Gavrila | has anyone just updated sid? |
| 00:32.05 | phaedral | suggestions for gpg signing/encrypting gmail (or other webmail) notes? |
| 00:32.06 | Guerin | doub: http://archive.progeny.com/debian-archive/ |
| 00:32.23 | doub | Guerin: huh. i'd rather go sleeping than laming this way. definately not my day. thanks, anyhow |
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| 00:32.38 | _rene_ | Gavrila: yes, why? |
| 00:32.43 | Guerin | doub: ? |
| 00:32.50 | Gavrila | _rene_, because I had an error I can't understand |
| 00:32.57 | _rene_ | tell it |
| 00:33.05 | Gavrila | ** (process:4774): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 00:33.12 | _rene_ | this is no error |
| 00:33.17 | _rene_ | this is a warning |
| 00:33.24 | WiFiTux | xam, what? no Intel EM64T CPU... |
| 00:33.26 | Gavrila | _rene_, yes |
| 00:33.31 | Gavrila | but what does it mean= |
| 00:33.32 | Gavrila | ? |
| 00:33.43 | _rene_ | you have a broken .desktop file somewhere |
| 00:33.53 | doub | Guerin: just had to google for it and i'd have seen the answer without bothering you, but no matter anyway, i'll go to sleep ;) |
| 00:33.55 | _rene_ | run update-desktop-database, it probably will tell you where |
| 00:34.05 | Gavrila | _rene_, thank you I'm checking |
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| 00:34.10 | Guerin | doub: no need to beet yourself up about it |
| 00:34.16 | Guerin | s/beet/beat/ |
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| 00:34.24 | sussudio | !veggiesmite Guerin |
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| 00:34.45 | citral | thomas_adam: I use the best irssi theme ever, which is dot, I hope you mean that one that would be nice. |
| 00:34.57 | xam | WiFiTux: I just consider it as a 64bit enhancement of a 32bit processor ... |
| 00:35.14 | Guerin | I just taught a class using a produce salesman's song ... I got beans, I got red beans, black beans, all kinda beans ... |
| 00:35.29 | Guerin | those kids will never forget "I've got $thing" |
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| 00:35.33 | Pookz | Anyone able to help me with a small prob.. dont know if this is the right place to ask though:P but if Nero Burning rom 5. keeps asking me to make an Image, instead of burning, how can i fix that?:P |
| 00:35.34 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Told you before, should have bought a decent cpu. |
| 00:35.52 | _rene_ | Pookz: as in #windows |
| 00:35.57 | Pookz | ahh thanks:P |
| 00:35.59 | xam | cafuego: exactly |
| 00:35.59 | _rene_ | Pookz: we just don't care |
| 00:36.05 | Pookz | i dont get a blue screen do i?:P |
| 00:36.17 | Gavrila | _rene_, it's sodipodi... Since I didn't touch anything, whose the fault is? an updated package? |
| 00:36.18 | _rene_ | Pookz: err? ask in a windows channel |
| 00:36.24 | Pookz | doing ren.;) |
| 00:36.24 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:36.27 | _rene_ | Pookz: we just don't care about windows shit |
| 00:36.28 | cafuego | Why spend on a single intel xeon what buys you TWO amd opterons? |
| 00:36.39 | _rene_ | Gavrila: no, sodipodis fault |
| 00:36.54 | _rene_ | Gavrila: just that more and more pkgs run update-desktop-database -q now |
| 00:36.57 | WiFiTux | cafuego, haha about what? EM64T? |
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| 00:36.59 | Pookz | <_rene_> : if linux orso could play all games i play... i'd use it too. :) |
| 00:37.01 | _rene_ | Gavrila: and they then choke on that file |
| 00:37.08 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Yes. Intel crap. |
| 00:37.14 | _rene_ | Pookz: ASK NOW THERE |
| 00:37.22 | citral | cafuego: WiFiTux never had a clue... |
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| 00:37.26 | xam | cafuego: opterons are just as bad ... they just have a better price/performance ratio ;) |
| 00:37.27 | _rene_ | I just don't care why you are using windows or linux or whateber |
| 00:37.29 | Pookz | <_rene_> sir yes sir! |
| 00:37.31 | doub | Guerin: i guess you're right. too much stress here |
| 00:37.32 | _rene_ | and please use proper irc semantics |
| 00:37.35 | _rene_ | PLEASE |
| 00:37.36 | MerlinCorey | alright, this sounds weird, but I really need it - Anyone have any quick work or anything they need done to the tune of $7 USD that they can paypal me..? |
| 00:37.37 | WiFiTux | cafuego, Itanium is the only real 64-Bit CPU, amd64 is the same as EM64T |
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| 00:37.41 | cafuego | xam: Exactly, less waste. |
| 00:37.43 | WiFiTux | citral, keep going... |
| 00:37.46 | Gavrila | _rene_, ok so I guess I shouldn't worry about reporting, since it seems a known problem |
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| 00:37.50 | _rene_ | i.e. _rene_: or _rene_, |
| 00:37.55 | Gavrila | thank you :) |
| 00:37.58 | citral | _rene_: please use a proper nick |
| 00:38.00 | _rene_ | Gavrila: report a bug if it isn't |
| 00:38.10 | FieldySnuts | @nickometer _rene_ |
| 00:38.10 | _rene_ | citral: no, the problem is his <>'s |
| 00:38.11 | ravenbird | '_rene_' is 14.000% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 00:38.15 | Gavrila | ok , I'm checking then |
| 00:38.15 | Pookz | crital: lol:) |
| 00:38.15 | _rene_ | citral: not something else |
| 00:38.15 | WiFiTux | !nickometer _rene_ |
| 00:38.16 | dpkg | '_rene_' is 26.000% lame, wifitux |
| 00:38.26 | citral | that's ok I suppose |
| 00:38.27 | cacophony | !nickometer cacophony |
| 00:38.28 | FieldySnuts | wtf? ravenbird says 14, dpkg says 26 heh |
| 00:38.30 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I know that. So why would you waste money buying the more expensive, slower implementation? |
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| 00:38.35 | _rene_ | citral: no, it isn't |
| 00:38.37 | Guerin | see, that's pretty low as nick lameness goes |
| 00:38.49 | Timbo | !nickometer EqUaTe |
| 00:38.50 | Guerin | no, <citral>, it's not |
| 00:38.58 | citral | FieldySnuts: it's increasing really fast |
| 00:38.58 | WiFiTux | cafuego, cause... I didn't pay it? Those are test CPU's sent from Intel... |
| 00:39.00 | Guerin | <citral> is for quotes |
| 00:39.12 | citral | argh |
| 00:39.16 | citral | !annoy Guerin |
| 00:39.17 | dpkg | Guerin: HOW TO THIS?????? |
| 00:39.17 | cafuego | WiFiTux: So send them back and ask intel for Opterons. |
| 00:39.22 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:39.22 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:39.25 | MerlinCorey | seriously, anyone? :) |
| 00:39.35 | Guerin | !irritate MerlinCorey |
| 00:39.35 | dpkg | MerlinCorey: HELP ME!!! who uses kde hello? |
| 00:39.42 | citral | hehe |
| 00:39.42 | cafuego | !stawlker Guerin |
| 00:39.43 | dpkg | Guerin: WHY DOES THE LINUX KERNEL HAVE NO XML SUPPORT!!! |
| 00:39.49 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 00:39.49 | WiFiTux | cafuego, no. Intel are good. Not cheap, but very good. |
| 00:39.50 | Pookz | does it matter if u do <name>: name: or name, or -name-: aslong as someone knows your talking to him right? :) |
| 00:40.09 | cafuego | WiFiTux: 4 billion celeron users disagree ;-) |
| 00:40.11 | Guerin | Pookz: it does matter, because if you use <nick>, it means you're quoting. |
| 00:40.14 | FieldySnuts | <nick> is annoying as hell, gets you ignored at the least, flamed at the worst |
| 00:40.15 | citral | <nick> is actually a problem |
| 00:40.23 | xam | WiFiTux: and consuming quite a lot energy aswell |
| 00:40.44 | WiFiTux | cafuego, Celeron? that's shit... is like the K CPU's... |
| 00:40.48 | MerlinCorey | ok, ok, fine. |
| 00:40.51 | MerlinCorey | How about...... |
| 00:40.52 | rich_ | You give a lot. You don't realise it, because you think it's fun or something. But you give a lot. |
| 00:40.56 | MerlinCorey | A few people paypal me $1 ? |
| 00:40.57 | MerlinCorey | :D |
| 00:41.00 | green_earz | Pookz: have you check out armagetron for windows and it runs well in linux debian with nvidia support |
| 00:41.03 | WiFiTux | cafuego, a Pentium M kicks butts! |
| 00:41.17 | FieldySnuts | Intel is lame </troll> |
| 00:41.21 | FlimFlamMan | anyone got a good link on software patents vs. copyright? i'm having an argument and don't feel like doign a lot of typing |
| 00:41.22 | Pookz | green_earz: yah i played that.. quite fun on a small lan:) |
| 00:41.27 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: doesn't flint have a subway you can busk in ? |
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| 00:41.41 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I do have to say I have never, ever used amd with Linux... but same shit different place... |
| 00:41.41 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: no, no subway |
| 00:41.41 | xam | !start a cpu war |
| 00:41.42 | dpkg | Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a 6510 |
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| 00:41.49 | green_earz | Pookz: on the net and dzflag |
| 00:41.49 | thefiz | hey guys |
| 00:41.53 | thefiz | i got a question |
| 00:42.06 | Guerin | thefiz: were you going to ask it? |
| 00:42.08 | WiFiTux | thefiz, shoot! |
| 00:42.14 | citral | as |
| 00:42.15 | citral | k |
| 00:42.16 | Pookz | green_earz: reason i use windows is some of my games need the .net framework from windows;) and not sure if Dark age of Camelot runs on it.. i know City of heroes does. |
| 00:42.17 | thefiz | ive already googled it and searche don the forums so here goes |
| 00:42.18 | citral | it |
| 00:42.25 | citral | ... |
| 00:42.31 | FieldySnuts | JUST ASK. |
| 00:42.33 | citral | annoying, try better |
| 00:42.38 | Guerin | Pookz: use mono. |
| 00:42.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:42.45 | z36ra | FlimFlamMan:www.uspto.gov/ |
| 00:42.47 | WiFiTux | !tell thefiz about ask |
| 00:43.00 | green_earz | Pookz: check out xwine for windows games in linux |
| 00:43.02 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Pentium M? Like the one I played with in a laptop a few weeks back? the P4-M 1.5Ghz that was SO much slower then my AthlonXP-M 2000+ that it made me cry and give up running OpenOffice on it? |
| 00:43.15 | MerlinCorey | in all honesty, I can take a loan - I'm getting paid in five days :/. and it's just $7 USD :D |
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| 00:43.26 | z36ra | patent and copyright are two different animals though if you copyright, you only have a year to patent |
| 00:43.27 | FlimFlamMan | z36ra, i'm looking for a more lessig-ish discussion of patent and copyright |
| 00:43.30 | MerlinCorey | maybe I can lower it |
| 00:43.34 | xarg | hi all |
| 00:43.44 | Pookz | Green_earz: its a emulator kind of thing? still gotta get used to all this linux stuff though;) but nobody reacting on #windows:P |
| 00:44.00 | z36ra | FlimFlamMan~~~^ |
| 00:44.10 | WiFiTux | cafuego, Pentium M higher than 1.6 Second Generation have a different structure... has 2Mb cache, and yes that one. I play UT2004 and Farcry with it. Also Doom3 in linux... |
| 00:44.30 | xarg | I am having a heck of a time getting the qla2xxx driver in 2.6.9 to work .... it loads fine but all I see is kernel: QLogic Fibre Channel HBA Driver and thats it ... no devices |
| 00:44.30 | DarknessX | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.35 | DarknessX | whoops. |
| 00:44.35 | citral | DarknessX: no |
| 00:44.42 | citral | no away |
| 00:44.46 | Gavrila | _rene_, thank you I confirmed a previous unique bugreport about that issue |
| 00:44.48 | WiFiTux | cafuego, and I said Pentium M, not Pentium 4-M... |
| 00:44.55 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Oh, so a specific, extra expensive P4-M is what you mean. |
| 00:44.55 | tony | trying to create a local mirror with 'mkdebmirror' I get this error: |
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| 00:45.02 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.03 | initech | xarg: i've gotten it to work ... but on red shat |
| 00:45.06 | DarknessX | citral: 'twas a mistake. I'm not used to BitchX at all |
| 00:45.06 | tony | on't mirror without dists/sid-proposed-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz signaturein Release at /usr/bin/debmirror line 1094 |
| 00:45.15 | cafuego | WiFiTux: yeah, the one I played with was a Pentium M too, no 4 in there |
| 00:45.18 | WiFiTux | cafuego, who said Expensive? a laptop at Dell is $1200 with that CPU.. |
| 00:45.18 | citral | Guerin: true |
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| 00:45.29 | xarg | initech: was it the kernel driver or the patch from qlogic? |
| 00:45.34 | cafuego | WiFiTux: it's *so slow* |
| 00:45.43 | citral | Guerin: try / /away is fine, as long as it's not publicly announced ;) |
| 00:45.52 | WiFiTux | cafuego, sorry for the bad experience... |
| 00:45.55 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I'll not go into the reasons why buying a cheap dell laptop is not a good idea |
| 00:46.02 | initech | xarg: it was the driver red hat shipped with ES 3; haven't tried the driver from QLogic yet, but intend to |
| 00:46.03 | juures | can somebody tell their opinon on d-i daily or pre-rc2 |
| 00:46.04 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I'll just mention I have 3 dead ones now |
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| 00:46.09 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I friend has a amd64 and plays games the same as me, and that's extra $$$ |
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| 00:46.25 | initech | xarg: for 2.4.21 |
| 00:46.28 | WiFiTux | cafuego, buy Warranty. |
| 00:46.32 | Gavrila | g'night all |
| 00:46.41 | citral | nuit |
| 00:46.46 | green_earz | Pookz: one thing you would like is the linux desktops, if you got a spare box throw the debian sarge on it with the net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 00:46.47 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I have an AMD64 and do video processing at over twice the speed of a higher clocked AthlonXP |
| 00:46.52 | Guerin | WiFiTux: warranty is no substitute for buying a laptop that won't fuck out itfp |
| 00:46.58 | xarg | initech: there is a driver in the 2.6 kernel called qla2xxx I compiled it as a module and it appeared to load OK but didn't say that it saw my card |
| 00:47.15 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Yes, 3 years of extra warranty. they died various times DURING the warranty and died AGAIN afterwards |
| 00:47.18 | WiFiTux | Guerin, fuck up itfp? |
| 00:47.25 | Guerin | !iftp |
| 00:47.27 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I'm not *EVER* buying from Dell again. Ever. |
| 00:47.31 | initech | xarg: try the more recent ones from qlogic ... all their drivers are open source (but it is a pain to do it that way) |
| 00:47.37 | Guerin | !iftp is In The First Place |
| 00:47.38 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 00:47.42 | WiFiTux | cafuego, haha, what do you get Toshiba!? |
| 00:47.50 | initech | i don't care for dell |
| 00:47.50 | Guerin | toshiba pwn |
| 00:47.55 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Got an HP now, very happy with it. |
| 00:48.09 | xarg | initech: hmmm I guess I'll be patching tonite |
| 00:48.09 | initech | well the pc servers are pretty nice |
| 00:48.31 | cafuego | Most of the toshibas I looked at didn't have aserial port, and I need one of them. |
| 00:48.37 | juures | is d-i daily stable or should i go for pre-rc2?? please tell me |
| 00:48.37 | initech | xarg: this a san head or something? |
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| 00:49.10 | citral | Guerin: small error, iftp =! itfp |
| 00:49.22 | Guerin | juures: go for the pre-rc2; the dailies are a gamble; though they've all worked perfectly for me. |
| 00:49.26 | Guerin | gah |
| 00:49.31 | Guerin | !forget iftp |
| 00:49.31 | dpkg | Guerin: i forgot iftp |
| 00:49.31 | WiFiTux | cafuego, badd experience with those... |
| 00:49.40 | xarg | initech no just going to connect it straight to a storedge box |
| 00:49.55 | Guerin | !itfp is In The First Place |
| 00:49.55 | dpkg | Guerin: i already had it that way |
| 00:50.06 | Guerin | damn, am I stupid this morning |
| 00:50.16 | citral | @comfot Guerin |
| 00:50.20 | green_earz | juures: i have had better results with the current image for the net install |
| 00:50.21 | citral | bah |
| 00:50.25 | juures | d-i rc1 dident work |
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| 00:50.36 | Guerin | maybe tea will help |
| 00:50.43 | citral | Am I sleeping tonight. |
| 00:50.46 | Guerin | juures: what didn't work about it? |
| 00:50.50 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.27 | initech | xarg: should be pretty snappy |
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| 00:51.48 | juures | Guerin > it couldent access the ide disks and there was no support for apg |
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| 00:52.15 | Guerin | juures: you sure you don't mean sata disks, and yes, there is support for agp. |
| 00:52.27 | coax | does eny of you know of a little/simple file browser?? |
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| 00:52.37 | Guerin | coax: /bin/bash |
| 00:52.42 | DarknessX | coax: mc |
| 00:52.50 | juures | hw config said no support for motherboard apg gart and ide disk support |
| 00:52.53 | rich_ | coax I like dfm |
| 00:53.00 | xarg | initech you think it matters that the driver source on their page says 32bit ... I am using sparc64 |
| 00:53.04 | initech | coax: mc, or the one that comes with xfce4 |
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| 00:53.06 | juures | too many supports |
| 00:53.23 | Guerin | juures: I don't believe you. |
| 00:53.24 | green_earz | coax: lynx only text |
| 00:53.36 | Guerin | gah, xffm is awful |
| 00:53.47 | initech | xarg: hrmm, it's all 64 ... dunno. you'll most likely have to try both |
| 00:54.01 | juures | kamion on #debian-boot said they can be broken |
| 00:54.03 | xarg | should I just give it all up and stick to solaris on these boxen |
| 00:54.03 | zbowling | what is the best set of high level math libraries to use to use with glib code? i need to do an inverse-arch-cosine function for a great circle function for my gtk program |
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| 00:54.38 | initech | xarg: linux on sparc i would do only the basic stuff, whatever works with the stock kernel (i.e., scsi) |
| 00:54.49 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.59 | DarknessX | the inverse of arccos is negative one over the square root of 1-x^2, iirc |
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| 00:55.05 | DarknessX | but let me check. |
| 00:55.21 | zbowling | thanks :-) |
| 00:55.33 | smj | Sup Debianites? |
| 00:55.35 | zbowling | i can write it all out but that is 16 as much code |
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| 00:55.40 | cafuego | zbowling: libm I would hazard |
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| 00:56.03 | zbowling | yah. I was thinking. |
| 00:56.09 | xarg | initech: thats not the answer I wanted to hear |
| 00:56.13 | cafuego | zbowling: Some math app will probably graph it for you, though. |
| 00:56.26 | juures | should i risk it and try daily d-i ? |
| 00:56.27 | initech | xarg: sorry :0 |
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| 00:56.45 | MobyTurbo | juures: what for? |
| 00:57.03 | cafuego | juures: What hardware? |
| 00:57.05 | green_earz | juures: i use them and they are getting better and better |
| 00:57.07 | xarg | initech: it's just that solaris is such a pain in the arse |
| 00:57.15 | zbowling | yah. I am writing a quick library to do GPS point, distance calculations so I can map them. I need it also I can get a direction in degrees |
| 00:57.16 | stew | juures: for your hardware any should work |
| 00:57.21 | initech | xarg: no argument from me there |
| 00:57.47 | initech | xarg: the whole usrland of it seems stuck in 1985 |
| 00:57.50 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.52 | juures | stew > yes that is strange |
| 00:58.00 | cafuego | zbowling: Just steal whatever they use to go wardriving maps :-) |
| 00:58.05 | DarknessX | zbowling: you need the derivative of the arccos, right? |
| 00:58.12 | zbowling | yah. |
| 00:58.20 | green_earz | juures: and apt-cdrom ok |
| 00:58.24 | arnon | how do I install libapreq ? |
| 00:58.32 | tony | anyone use the script 'mkdebmirror'? |
| 00:58.34 | z36ra | anyone done a cluster? |
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| 00:58.47 | tony | z36ra , I'm trying to get FAI working right now |
| 00:58.48 | xarg | I have compile everything from source because I the stuff that there are bin pkgs for is compiled with sunCC which I can;t afford a license for so when I have to compile something I have to use gcc but then if a depend is compiled with sunCC I have recompile the dependancy with gcc too |
| 00:58.49 | DarknessX | d(cos^-1)/dx = -1/sqrt(1+x^2) |
| 00:58.52 | roo9 | i'm having a very, very, strange issue and i'm unsure if it's a dspam issue. for some reason mail delivery "stalls" for hours at a time. my messages are present in /var/spool/mail/<username>, but they never show up in my inbox, i know it's not an client issue because i tried several different clients |
| 00:58.57 | juures | dont know what was going on but i couldent access old ide disks |
| 00:58.58 | xam | tony: no, but I've written my own script ;) |
| 00:59.14 | tony | xam, not a bad idea, actually |
| 00:59.16 | DarknessX | I'm not sure if that helps you or not. But now you know. |
| 00:59.23 | xam | tony: /msg nickserv info xam |
| 00:59.25 | zbowling | sweet. I remember that from college ... my trig class 1st year |
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| 00:59.41 | zbowling | DarknessX: thanks a bunch |
| 00:59.42 | cafuego | tony: Do you want or need to mirror most/all of debian or just the few packes you actually use? |
| 00:59.43 | DarknessX | I'm in BC Calc at highschool now, and just had a test on it. |
| 00:59.44 | z36ra | tony: have heard of openssi. I think I saw something on fai. hows it coming? |
| 00:59.47 | thefiz | okay guys sorry i went away |
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| 01:00.01 | xarg | maybe I should try my luck with FreeBSD on it. |
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| 01:00.11 | thefiz | i need to know how to configure an optical mouse in the knoppix-debian install |
| 01:00.19 | voth | is there a website that list all/some debian repositories that are available ? |
| 01:00.19 | tony | cafuego , just following the directions for FAI (Fully Automated Installer) it recommends building a local mirror for your targerts |
| 01:00.20 | cafuego | thefiz: #knoppix |
| 01:00.21 | thefiz | it lights up and all but i cant move it |
| 01:00.27 | thefiz | i have the HD install |
| 01:00.29 | citral | !knoppixsmite thefiz |
| 01:00.30 | zbowling | DarknessX: hehe I know how it is. I just graduated (2 year CS degree) |
| 01:00.32 | thefiz | it was suggested i come here |
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| 01:00.36 | FieldySnuts | #knoppix damnit . /topic |
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| 01:00.43 | tony | z36ra , FAI seems fine, but I need to get a working local mirror going first |
| 01:00.43 | cafuego | thefiz: Well, that suggestion was wrong, eh? |
| 01:00.47 | MobyTurbo | xarg: FreeBSD is buggy on sparc. Maybe try NetBSD. |
| 01:00.52 | Guerin | thefiz: don't use the passive voice. Who suggested it? |
| 01:00.58 | xarg | MobyTurbo thx |
| 01:01.01 | thefiz | apparently. no one is willing to answer me even though they can |
| 01:01.04 | thefiz | typical i suppose |
| 01:01.07 | z36ra | tony: have you tried openssi or concidered it? |
| 01:01.07 | cafuego | tony: Do a single manual install through 'apt-proxy', that will automagically make your mirror. |
| 01:01.08 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
| 01:01.21 | citral | yes |
| 01:01.21 | tony | cafuego , you are THE MAN, cheers |
| 01:01.33 | tony | z36ra , didn't know about it |
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| 01:01.37 | tony | will look |
| 01:01.37 | zbowling | !beer for all |
| 01:01.43 | citral | mmmm |
| 01:01.47 | citral | cool |
| 01:01.48 | FieldySnuts | damn, maudite is good |
| 01:01.57 | zbowling | !praise me |
| 01:02.16 | smj | How do I tell what kernel version I'm running? Typing uname -r just gives the package name. |
| 01:02.19 | voth | anyone ? |
| 01:02.23 | FieldySnuts | @lart smj |
| 01:02.34 | zbowling | smj: reboot |
| 01:02.35 | rich_ | thefiz I'm sure there is a reason. It can't be that hard to figure out |
| 01:02.37 | green_earz | smj: uname -a |
| 01:02.47 | smj | zbowling: Uh, not local. |
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| 01:02.53 | FieldySnuts | in another channel, not here. |
| 01:02.53 | xarg | OK everybody peace out I am going to go shoot myself in the foot for some after work entertainment |
| 01:02.58 | thefiz | ehh rich_ . thats why i came here |
| 01:03.09 | zbowling | smj: hehe I know how it is, just what I do sometimes |
| 01:03.09 | smj | green_earz: That gives me a kernel version of 2.6.8-1-686-smp. |
| 01:03.14 | thefiz | and i have obviously tried all the methods i know |
| 01:03.19 | FieldySnuts | thefiz: this. is. not. a. knoppix channel, no matter what anyone told you. trust me you are only going to get flamed here. |
| 01:03.26 | citral | xarg: ok. |
| 01:03.32 | z36ra | tony: fai may work fine for you. I would be interested in hearing how it turns out. my situation is slightly different. I have one Debian box and 3 windows boxes. I was trying to remastyer Knoppix for clustering but my Debian box is a dedicated server as well. I have some hurdels to overcome. |
| 01:03.40 | thefiz | why would i get flamed? |
| 01:03.43 | smj | green_earz: I'm trying to confirm that I'm indeed using version 2.6.8-5 of 2.6.8-1-686-smp. |
| 01:03.48 | thefiz | youve already told me u wont answer me |
| 01:03.48 | FieldySnuts | okay, you are too thick to bother with. enjoy. |
| 01:03.51 | thefiz | im down |
| 01:03.57 | tony | z36ra , openssi is more about controlling many from one, right? FAI is about not having to do a hand install for every little device that i PXEBoot |
| 01:03.58 | rich_ | thefiz Maybe because you are off topic. |
| 01:04.00 | citral | !poor baby |
| 01:04.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, poor baby is totally lost because his parents left home, and now he's alone in the dark and don't now how to rtfm. See also rtfm. |
| 01:04.05 | Guerin | smj: that's the damn version |
| 01:04.06 | thefiz | i just said im ok |
| 01:04.09 | thefiz | jesus |
| 01:04.25 | thefiz | i understand my question cannot be answered here |
| 01:04.26 | FieldySnuts | is this Sunday? |
| 01:04.28 | thefiz | that good for u all? |
| 01:04.29 | MobyTurbo | !moron thefiz |
| 01:04.30 | dpkg | thefiz: You are moron #84 |
| 01:04.34 | FieldySnuts | thefiz: stfu and stop trolling |
| 01:04.40 | z36ra | tony: the way I understand it, openssi is parallel. |
| 01:04.45 | smj | Guerin: Okay, how do I confirm the version of the currently running Debian kernel? |
| 01:04.46 | thefiz | god u guys are fucking idiots |
| 01:04.46 | Guerin | smj: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l kernel-image* |
| 01:04.47 | tony | thefiz , please repeat the question |
| 01:04.47 | MobyTurbo | FieldySnuts: I've been wondering the same thing myself |
| 01:04.52 | Guerin | smj: uname -r |
| 01:04.58 | Guerin | smj: naturally enough |
| 01:04.59 | FieldySnuts | this coming from somebody who says "u" |
| 01:05.01 | FieldySnuts | okay buddy |
| 01:05.04 | zbowling | my new kitty. His name is Tux http://zacbowling.com/wp-content/thumb-Picture%20068.jpg |
| 01:05.19 | thorie | if a packet goes out on an interface using port 110, do the response packets from the server also come back through that same port? |
| 01:05.20 | smj | Guerin: uname -r doesn't give me the version of the package itself, just the name of the kernel package. |
| 01:05.25 | tony | z36ra , yes, openssi single root and single init, cluster filesystems and DLM, single process space and process migration, load leveling, single and shared IPC space, device space and networking space, and single management space |
| 01:05.38 | Guerin | smj: it gives you the VERSION OF THE GDMF kernel |
| 01:05.41 | FieldySnuts | smj: idiot. |
| 01:05.42 | tony | z36ra , seems quite neat |
| 01:05.48 | citral | smj: hum, you suck |
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| 01:05.55 | Guerin | smj: as the person who built the kernel definted the version |
| 01:06.00 | citral | zbowling: neat |
| 01:06.08 | smj | Wow, tough crowd tonight. |
| 01:06.14 | z36ra | yeah but it may work better with different hardware. I saw something about fiberchannel. |
| 01:06.22 | initech | !comfort smj |
| 01:06.22 | dpkg | There, there, smj. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:06.24 | tony | arrogant newbies will be the death of debian |
| 01:06.25 | z36ra | tony^ |
| 01:06.41 | FieldySnuts | s/newbies/devs/ |
| 01:06.57 | tony | this channel exists to HELP people, right? |
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| 01:07.00 | z36ra | cat /dev/newbies >>null |
| 01:07.04 | smj | So, there is no instance when 2.6.8-1-686-smp will be installed twice by dpkg/apt? |
| 01:07.09 | citral | no, stupid newbies that don't read the man page are the death of #debian |
| 01:07.14 | FieldySnuts | we can, if the user isn't an idiot. these days, that's not a lot of people |
| 01:07.21 | MobyTurbo | tony: it doesn't exist to help knoppix users. |
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| 01:07.28 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 01:07.35 | Guerin | smj: no, two of the same package cannot be installed at once. One would replace the other. |
| 01:07.40 | tony | MobyTurbo , well... that's a good point |
| 01:07.42 | tony | heh |
| 01:07.52 | thefiz | i think jackasses who care more about being funny than helping others are the death of it. |
| 01:07.59 | thefiz | =) |
| 01:08.00 | FieldySnuts | @troll thefiz |
| 01:08.05 | tony | thefiz, what is your question |
| 01:08.16 | tony | I will try to assist you |
| 01:08.16 | thefiz | tony msg me if you really want to know |
| 01:08.18 | FieldySnuts | and people wonder why we get annoyed at knoppix users. prime example. |
| 01:08.20 | smj | Guerin: My malfunction comes from the fact that RH does it differently, that's all. I just wanted to make sure the box I just upgraded is not running the upgraded kernel because I didn't physically watch it reboot. That's all. |
| 01:08.28 | tony | ok, what is it |
| 01:08.29 | thefiz | eh Feildy I use gentoo aswell |
| 01:08.32 | thefiz | you fucking dick |
| 01:08.36 | citral | It's like coming in #freebsd and asking "hey, someone help me with my openbsd?" |
| 01:08.41 | cafuego | !gentoo thefiz |
| 01:08.43 | z36ra | thefiz: dont take this p[ersonal but Debian doesn't live on newbies so i dont think it will be the death of it. |
| 01:08.48 | citral | !gentoobie |
| 01:08.48 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoobie is When running DDD it triggers the following error: "/var/tmp/portage/glibc-2.3.4.20041102/work/build-i686-pc-linux-gnu-linuxthreads/csu/crti.S: No such file or directory. any takers? |
| 01:08.51 | FieldySnuts | be nice if somebody got rid of thefiz. |
| 01:08.52 | thefiz | haha you guys are so gay |
| 01:09.04 | thefiz | ill help you since you cant seem to do shit |
| 01:09.05 | FieldySnuts | again, typical knoppix user |
| 01:09.11 | Guerin | !ops |
| 01:09.11 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 01:09.13 | citral | arrogant as hell |
| 01:09.15 | FieldySnuts | bit late. |
| 01:09.16 | z36ra | hehe |
| 01:09.30 | Guerin | typical |
| 01:09.34 | tony | I tried to /q him... but he was gone |
| 01:09.34 | zbowling | i wish people would post IRC room backlogs on the web (like people do with mailling lists) because if they did then the search engines would be full of some of the greatest content on the internet. I think I will syndicate my logs for #debian |
| 01:09.35 | citral | gentoo troll |
| 01:09.35 | Guerin | !lart me |
| 01:09.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cable-65-88-93-219.grd.al.charter.com] by Rez |
| 01:09.47 | FieldySnuts | no, he's a #knoppix troll. guess you didn't see it all |
| 01:09.57 | smj | Ow... |
| 01:09.58 | FieldySnuts | thanks Rez |
| 01:10.06 | Guerin | zbowling: sooo much boredom |
| 01:10.06 | cafuego | zbowling: There is an olnline #debian log actually. |
| 01:10.14 | juures | goodnight |
| 01:10.16 | zbowling | hehe really? |
| 01:10.22 | thorie | do i still need to allow ports on $int_if through port 110 even if im using nat (which converts the lan address to the firewall address) in my /etc/pf.conf ? |
| 01:10.23 | Guerin | irc is only fun if you're there |
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| 01:10.31 | Guerin | and often not even then |
| 01:10.31 | cafuego | zbowling: But you're better off visiting bash.org for the edited version. |
| 01:10.36 | zbowling | heh. |
| 01:10.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:11.26 | cafuego | Fuck me, that was a LOUD burp. |
| 01:11.27 | z36ra | well I got kicked out of here once. you guys remember. I got a little passionate about how bad sony sux. remember? |
| 01:11.28 | thorie | i have a rule that says: pass on $ext_if proto tcp from $ext_if to any port 110 keep state, but im not sure if i need to do anything else |
| 01:11.52 | cafuego | z36ra: You got kicked out because you claimed they didn't suck as badly as they do? Or what? |
| 01:12.19 | Guerin | I think it's quite hard to overstate how much sony suck. |
| 01:12.23 | z36ra | hehe...no I think it was my cussing at how BAD they really are. |
| 01:12.30 | Guerin | I certainly have trouble overstating it. |
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| 01:12.47 | cafuego | Guerin: Yoiu couldn't even overstate it by rolling on the floor, kicking legs in their air, frothing at the mouth |
| 01:12.55 | Guerin | generally the only kind of swearing that gets you kicked from here is sexism/racism/religionism |
| 01:13.06 | rich_ | Sony used to make good tv's and portable stereo's |
| 01:13.09 | citral | or gnetooism |
| 01:13.10 | z36ra | well then why DID I get kicked? |
| 01:13.12 | Guerin | cafuego: do they suck worse than Dell, though? That's the real question. |
| 01:13.12 | cafuego | smj: I doubt it, coz MS sucks even more then Sony (where possible) |
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| 01:13.25 | z36ra | maybe it was something else |
| 01:13.27 | z36ra | hehe |
| 01:13.35 | smj | cafuego: That hasn't stopped them so far. |
| 01:13.43 | cafuego | Guerin: I think they're all owned by George W.'s holding companies. |
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| 01:13.49 | smj | MS seems to subsist on waiting for the moment when their competitor has made a bad move. |
| 01:13.50 | citral | cafuego: it does, at least sony produces some good hi-fi |
| 01:14.14 | Guerin | cafuego: so it's moot, I guess. |
| 01:14.14 | cafuego | citral: No, they produce average hifi and inflated prices and pretend it's good. |
| 01:14.14 | tony | smj, a good observation |
| 01:14.23 | rich_ | ibm used to be good too. |
| 01:14.30 | WiFiTux | smj, they are expensive!! |
| 01:14.36 | rich_ | There was a time when xerox was the king |
| 01:14.38 | WiFiTux | rich_, IBM Is good |
| 01:14.38 | Guerin | Yeah, I don't owny any sony either. |
| 01:14.42 | Guerin | happily :) |
| 01:14.43 | MobyTurbo | ibm still makes good portables |
| 01:14.53 | citral | cafuego: that's right, I mean by that better than microsoft that doesn't produce anything usable at all and sell it at a silly price |
| 01:14.57 | Phated | It would seem I missed the fun... Ah well. |
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| 01:15.00 | rich_ | companies that get too big get lasy and fall from grace. |
| 01:15.04 | WiFiTux | leight 2lb... |
| 01:15.05 | cafuego | Anyway, I've got issues trying to run portage |
| 01:15.06 | z36ra | oh man! lets not go here again. I can spin stories about conspiracy with MS, Sony, Symantic and all thoughs guys. |
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| 01:15.22 | Guerin | !gentoosmite cafuego |
| 01:15.26 | smj | cafuego: Did you say the p word? |
| 01:15.27 | tony | MobyTurbo, sadly, the ThinkPad line has lost their way (no more RS232) |
| 01:15.32 | smj | Thanks dpkg. |
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| 01:15.47 | nutz | hey everybody -- since i made the last "apt-get update" i'm not able to install *.tar.gz-files using ./configure -- i always get a permission denied. is this just a version-issue? |
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| 01:16.08 | MobyTurbo | tony: is that the only thing wrong with them? (Of course, that's a show-stopper for many admins.) |
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| 01:16.09 | citral | !nonsense nnu |
| 01:16.10 | dpkg | nnu: Hi, how can am checked the processes to my runlevels are !!!???? |
| 01:16.11 | Guerin | nutz: um, wtf? You mean source files, right? |
| 01:16.22 | initech | nutz: check your filesystem permissions |
| 01:16.24 | nutz | Guerin: right |
| 01:16.25 | tony | MobyTurbo , yeah, that and the PRICE |
| 01:16.38 | Guerin | nutz: make sure the configure script is +x |
| 01:16.47 | Guerin | nutz: or run it with sh ./configure |
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| 01:16.49 | tony | MobyTurbo , don't get me wrong, I still love them. Just sad to see that after all this time, they don't have a clie |
| 01:16.52 | tony | clue, rather |
| 01:16.53 | nutz | initech: no it's weird .. i made a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -- and now it wont work anymore |
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| 01:17.08 | citral | !nonsense nutz |
| 01:17.08 | dpkg | nutz: Hi, how can am checked the processes to my runlevels are !!!???? |
| 01:17.12 | MobyTurbo | tony: true, the price is very high - but the other laptops you'll have to replace in a fewer amount of years. |
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| 01:17.32 | r0sk | Hi people!! |
| 01:17.36 | nutz | Guerin: the configure script is +x .. it says imake's permission is denied |
| 01:17.37 | initech | nutz: sure? try as root and make sure the filesystem is not mouted "noexec" |
| 01:17.39 | tony | MobyTurbo , totally right. the main point with laptops is the warranty. IBMs is rock solid |
| 01:17.42 | smj | hey everybody -- since i made the last "apt-get update" my girlfriends dog won't stop peeing on my leg. is this just a version issue? |
| 01:18.02 | nutz | dpkg: excuse me? .. i dont understand.. |
| 01:18.02 | dpkg | nutz: no idea |
| 01:18.02 | r0sk | only 1 question, Ive Xfree-4.3.0 and SiS driver only runs on 4.2.0 (Im on SID), what can i "downgrade" x? |
| 01:18.08 | z36ra | tony: I love that phrase. "dont have a clue" there's a plethora of "dont have a clue" companies out there. |
| 01:18.08 | Phated | Animal magnetism. |
| 01:18.10 | initech | smj: yes, it happened last friday to me too |
| 01:18.12 | r0sk | s/what/how |
| 01:18.26 | Guerin | smj: yes, you need to upgrade the dog. No need to reboot your girlfriend though. |
| 01:18.26 | nutz | initech: no it's not that.. it must be something with make i think. |
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| 01:18.40 | nutz | initech: i actually was just wondering if this was a well known issue |
| 01:18.46 | Guerin | r0sk: possible, but difficult. and risky. |
| 01:18.51 | tony | z36ra , yeah, just thought better of IBM. The ThinkPad line has always been "real tools for real power users" |
| 01:18.56 | Phated | nutz: Nope, it's not. |
| 01:19.07 | r0sk | Guerin, how must I try it? |
| 01:19.07 | Guerin | r0sk: can't you just a) use vesa or b) drop $10 on a tnt2? |
| 01:19.09 | nutz | Phated: =) thought so |
| 01:19.16 | cafuego | smj: Yeah. "bash: portage: command not found" |
| 01:19.20 | initech | apple laptops kick ass |
| 01:19.22 | r0sk | Guerin, it's a laptop :( |
| 01:19.23 | WiFiTux | initech, a 7lb one? |
| 01:19.27 | r0sk | no tnt avaiable |
| 01:19.34 | tony | initech , they do, but they're too fragile |
| 01:19.35 | Guerin | r0sk: aaargh. vesa driver doesn't work? |
| 01:19.37 | initech | WiFiTux: yep, biggest they got |
| 01:19.46 | Phated | Doesn't matter how much it weighs, but iBooks are nice. |
| 01:19.47 | WiFiTux | initech, no thanks... Too heavy. |
| 01:19.55 | r0sk | Guerin, yes, but not 3D possible :( |
| 01:19.58 | dafart | grrrr |
| 01:19.59 | nutz | well okay .. i'll probably just wait until the next apt-get update is released. |
| 01:20.01 | cafuego | Phated: The iBooks suck actually. |
| 01:20.08 | WiFiTux | Once I noticed the Ibook was 5pounds... No thanks... |
| 01:20.08 | cafuego | Phated: They're limited to 600x600 |
| 01:20.08 | Guerin | r0sk: what sis card? |
| 01:20.15 | cafuego | under OSX anyway |
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| 01:20.18 | r0sk | Guerin, sis630 :( |
| 01:20.19 | cafuego | 800x600 |
| 01:20.22 | Phated | cafuego: Yeah? They're pretty. *shrugs* I'm all for ThinkPads though. 'nuff said. :) |
| 01:20.25 | Guerin | ibm x40 pwnz j00 |
| 01:20.26 | tony | me looks at his desk... thinkpad on the right, powerbook on the left, AMD64 desktop in the center |
| 01:20.36 | WiFiTux | Guerin, my T40 is 2.2lb |
| 01:20.38 | initech | cafuego: they 7lbs with OSX, but about 3lbs with sarge |
| 01:20.41 | r0sk | Guerin, sis630, XFree-4.4.0 (now testing winischoper drivers) and SID |
| 01:20.44 | Phated | Ah yes the X40... -sweet-. |
| 01:20.44 | cafuego | Phated: The 12" powerbook is better. Does wifi and 1024x768 |
| 01:20.46 | dafart | how do I tell apt-get that a package that I installed with --install --ignore-depends= is NOT a broken package |
| 01:20.57 | Phated | cafuego: I'll keep that ine mind. :) |
| 01:21.00 | _rene_ | cafuego: it does wifi? |
| 01:21.09 | _rene_ | cafuego: I doubt it. it has AP extreme -> no wifi |
| 01:21.10 | cafuego | _rene_: airport extreme, yes. |
| 01:21.10 | r0sk | Guerin, glxgears reports 300fps, but blank screen, no wheels viewed :( |
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| 01:21.19 | _rene_ | cafuego: unless you put in a external pcmcia card |
| 01:21.21 | z36ra | tony: here's an example. I had a guy tell me that 99% of internet can view Flash when the Flash site says 95%, and I take issue with 95%. |
| 01:21.26 | cafuego | _rene_: And AP extreme happily talks to wifi equipment. |
| 01:21.31 | citral | yeah powerbook are easier to access, repare and extend that's a good point too |
| 01:21.35 | r0sk | Guerin, and bzflag, gltron.... black screen too (sound runs) |
| 01:21.40 | _rene_ | cafuego: and there are no drivers for the AP extreme |
| 01:21.50 | Guerin | r0sk: you're not going to get anything meaningful, 3dwise, out of that, are you? |
| 01:21.51 | _rene_ | cafuego: for Linux that is |
| 01:21.54 | BlackBokz | any maintaiers of debian unstable inhere? |
| 01:21.55 | cafuego | _rene_: OSX supports it by default. |
| 01:22.07 | nutz | well ok.. thx people |
| 01:22.09 | nutz | byebye |
| 01:22.10 | osiris | can someone help me please im trying to put java in my path but when i try to install the program that java uses, it cant find it in my path im using command export path=$path:/usr/java/j2re1.4.2_05/bin |
| 01:22.11 | z36ra | this from a dude that wrote a simple flash menu for our company website |
| 01:22.17 | cafuego | _rene_: And only an idiot would buy a Powerbook, then wipe OSX and try to use Linux. |
| 01:22.22 | WiFiTux | Phated, thinkpad's rull, even more the new one's with Finger print recognition :) |
| 01:22.22 | r0sk | Guerin, wait, translating... my damn english! |
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| 01:22.29 | _rene_ | I would shrink the partition |
| 01:22.31 | Covener | osiris: PATH not path |
| 01:22.31 | cafuego | _rene_: Just keep running OSX and install fink. |
| 01:22.33 | _rene_ | and use Linux mainly |
| 01:22.42 | MobyTurbo | osiris: upppercase, unless you're doing it with csh |
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| 01:22.44 | Phated | WiFiTux: I believe I said I liked the thinkpad, you don't have to tell me they're nice. |
| 01:22.53 | Guerin | r0sk: is it worth caring about 3d? |
| 01:22.55 | roo9 | i'm having an issue where my mail gets stuck in /var/mail/<username> and never shows up in my email client. |
| 01:22.58 | osiris | Covener: MobyTurbo: Thanks |
| 01:23.08 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:23.09 | Phated | Guerin: One word... or many... "But I want to play games!" |
| 01:23.11 | initech | reuters says "Bill Gates is world's most spammed person" (4 million + / day) |
| 01:23.12 | WiFiTux | Phated, nice attitude. |
| 01:23.12 | Chrysalis | Anyone here tried to build Firefox for woody |
| 01:23.13 | _rene_ | cafuego: you can't do any serious debian development with it, can you? I doubt it |
| 01:23.19 | tony | z36ra , ? you mean you can start using the flash UI stuff when the 'growbar' claims that %95 of the flashCrap.swf has downloaded? |
| 01:23.25 | Phated | WiFiTux: And why do you care? |
| 01:23.26 | cafuego | roo9: Then you need to tell your email client to check your mail spool, which is /var/mail/<username> |
| 01:23.27 | r0sk | Guerin, some people had played tuxracer and bzflag, dunno more |
| 01:23.27 | WiFiTux | initech, he has a team of spam behind him. |
| 01:23.34 | WiFiTux | Phated, whatever... |
| 01:23.35 | osiris | does it need to be as root the PATH cmd |
| 01:23.38 | cafuego | _rene_: with OSX? Why not? |
| 01:23.44 | Guerin | !lazy x binaries |
| 01:23.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lazy x binaries is get the binary server and modules tarball. install to /opt/X/. change the /etc/X11/X symlink to point at the new server. update /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to point at the new modules. enjoy. And if you have problems with non-debian binaries, you're on your own... |
| 01:23.45 | initech | he should get 40 million! |
| 01:23.49 | _rene_ | because you need a debian system? |
| 01:23.56 | z36ra | tony: no. you missed my point. |
| 01:23.58 | cafuego | _rene_: Just runs gcc/libc6 like any other system. |
| 01:23.58 | _rene_ | because uname returns Darwin and not Linux? |
| 01:23.59 | roo9 | cafuego: mail does come through, but sometimes gets stuck, for example, my last email today was at 12:30. |
| 01:24.08 | Guerin | r0sk: go get an old version, and follow those instructions ^^ |
| 01:24.08 | osiris | Thanks that worked. |
| 01:24.10 | tony | z36ra , sorry |
| 01:24.16 | _rene_ | cafuego: I mean |
| 01:24.19 | rich_ | I chose my lifebood because, at fry's, it was the one with the fastest processor, and largest memory expandability. It was 2001 and I got a p3 expandable to half a gig. That's lifebook from fujitsu. |
| 01:24.22 | _rene_ | *debian developmenT* |
| 01:24.23 | _rene_ | not |
| 01:24.27 | _rene_ | *development* |
| 01:24.32 | _rene_ | I need to build proper debs |
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| 01:24.37 | r0sk | Guerin, but, how to install 4.2.0 on SID? debs? where to get them? |
| 01:24.40 | roo9 | cafuego: i'm using uw-imapd to read my email. |
| 01:24.43 | tony | z36ra , you're talking about the fact that many people can't use flash apps because macromedia refuses to port to open source OS? |
| 01:24.49 | cafuego | _rene_: if you code proeprly you can doo all work on OSX and then submit to the debian build servers |
| 01:25.01 | _rene_ | you have no clue |
| 01:25.05 | citral | of course |
| 01:25.10 | _rene_ | there are no source only uploads in debian |
| 01:25.17 | WiFiTux | initech, you want him to get 40 million so he keeps going with the idea of putting prices on the e-mails? |
| 01:25.18 | _rene_ | you have to provide at least one binary package |
| 01:25.22 | _rene_ | with sense |
| 01:25.38 | Guerin | r0sk: xfree86.org should still have old source lying around which you can build. snapshot.debian.net will have old debian packages, but you WILL preak phenomenal numbers of dependencies unless you're damn clever. |
| 01:25.45 | _rene_ | anyway |
| 01:25.57 | Guerin | r0sk: you can't use an imapd to read mail. |
| 01:25.58 | initech | WiFiTux: no, i want his bandwidth sucked up |
| 01:26.01 | Guerin | gah |
| 01:26.07 | tony | uw-imapd is an imap server, how can you read email with a server? |
| 01:26.08 | _rene_ | when the ibook had either wifi or a pcmcia slot I would probably buy it when I have the money |
| 01:26.09 | initech | the pay for email will never fly |
| 01:26.09 | Guerin | roo9: you can't use an imapd to read mail. |
| 01:26.13 | WiFiTux | initech, haha, probably that won't happend... |
| 01:26.16 | _rene_ | a powerbook is a bit expensive... |
| 01:26.21 | green_earz | osiris: for konquor > /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/bin/java for j2re1.4 |
| 01:26.27 | initech | Guerin: i think you can, telnet to the port, issue commands, etc |
| 01:26.33 | MobyTurbo | some systems already bounce my gmail account. Darned spammers. |
| 01:26.39 | WiFiTux | _rene_, $999 is fair + $70 for twice hdd |
| 01:26.40 | Guerin | initech: you're using telnet to read mail, in that case. |
| 01:26.47 | WiFiTux | but no PCMCIA for Wifi... |
| 01:27.02 | tony | Guerin , that's prolly right, good thinking |
| 01:27.07 | _rene_ | WiFiTux: see? that's why I don't buy an ibook |
| 01:27.11 | initech | well, true |
| 01:27.22 | WiFiTux | _rene_, I know, but there are some USB Thingies... |
| 01:27.32 | WiFiTux | but nah. Still 5 POUNDS! |
| 01:27.48 | initech | WiFiTux: you can't carry 5 pounds? |
| 01:28.03 | WiFiTux | initech, not after carrying only 2.2pounds |
| 01:28.05 | z36ra | tony: our company paid a guy to make a website for us. I wrote the guy saying that our company computers cant view the site because our helpdesk wont allow that type of content but that also, the site was broken. I wrote him sating it should detect flash for those that dont have it. the guy wrote back saying 99% of the internet can view flash (Macromedia website says 95%)... |
| 01:28.09 | Phated | initech: HE's had this discussion with abrotman, nothing more than 2.2 pounds ofr him. |
| 01:28.18 | citral | !convert pounds gramms |
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| 01:28.34 | Phated | 2.2lb = 1 kg. :) |
| 01:28.43 | z36ra | my point is that the guy "doesnt have a clue" |
| 01:29.00 | tony | z36ra , yikes... sounds horrible |
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| 01:29.11 | citral | ok |
| 01:29.15 | dondelelcaro | !convert 1 pound to gram |
| 01:29.16 | dpkg | 1 pound is approximately 453.592 gram |
| 01:29.17 | WiFiTux | citral, yes... almost 3Kg for a lappy. |
| 01:29.23 | WiFiTux | the smallest lappy. |
| 01:29.26 | Guerin | ah, I want all of the following things in my laptop: light, long battery life, debian-friendly, fast, upgradeable, cheap. In roughly that order. |
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| 01:29.44 | Guerin | oh, slot "indestructible" in there someplace too |
| 01:29.46 | z36ra | the site looks great now after I corrected his code for him and sent copies (not that the fix was all that difficult). |
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| 01:29.51 | tony | Guerin , used thinkpad |
| 01:29.54 | Phated | Guerin: Talk to WiFiTux, he was discussing the perfect laptop not so long ago. :| |
| 01:30.02 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: powerbook g4 400/500... probably be had for $500 or so used. |
| 01:30.02 | Guerin | tony: yeah, that's where I'm headed |
| 01:30.12 | Phated | X40? |
| 01:30.13 | initech | Guerin: indestructible and light don't go together usually |
| 01:30.15 | tony | Guerin , you can buy a new battery and an extended warrenty |
| 01:30.23 | walnuck | how do i add an applet to my kde session? i install kmix and reran my X and still I can't get an option of adding it to the taskbar..anybody? |
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| 01:30.26 | Phated | initech: Titanium is the future. :) |
| 01:30.37 | Guerin | yeah, an old tibook might be worthwhile. |
| 01:30.42 | initech | Phated: right, but that's kinda pricey |
| 01:30.45 | tony | sorry, R |
| 01:30.58 | tony | T or R, both are fantastic |
| 01:31.10 | Phated | initech: Meh, he has cheap as his last priority. :) Or carbonite... if they can make rackets out of them! :) |
| 01:31.10 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: they're pretty robust... although, not indistructable... |
| 01:31.20 | Phated | ThinkPad R's are cool. |
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| 01:31.38 | WiFiTux | initech, citral, http://gallery.colofinder.net/albums/tech-funny/powerbook_g5.thumb.jpg |
| 01:31.43 | Guerin | well, I can't shell out for one o' those panasonic titanium and teflon jobbies... |
| 01:32.04 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 01:32.11 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: if it's that big of a deal to have one that's almost indistructable, get a halliburton case for the thing |
| 01:32.18 | tony | my T20 is still going almost 5 years later |
| 01:32.18 | Phated | ThinkPad X40 sounds like your best bet. :) |
| 01:32.19 | WiFiTux | Phated, saw that one? |
| 01:32.24 | Phated | WiFiTux: Hm? |
| 01:32.28 | Guerin | it has to survive a road trip from asia to europe |
| 01:32.29 | WiFiTux | nothing |
| 01:32.31 | tony | it's been dropped, kicked, spilled on, etc |
| 01:32.38 | Phated | *shrugs* OK. |
| 01:32.38 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm, available on the open market? |
| 01:32.45 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah. |
| 01:33.06 | Phated | tony: *kicked*? Dropped I can understand, but -kicked-? |
| 01:33.19 | Guerin | or should that be the Oooooooooooragle ? |
| 01:33.20 | Phated | Tough book right there. |
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| 01:33.34 | Phated | Guerin: Cut the wit and go google. :) |
| 01:33.35 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I think they make a thin briefcase model that will work with a bit of closed cell foam... increases the weight, but it'll handle being driven over... |
| 01:33.37 | tony | Phated , was in my backpack, my girlfriend walked in with groceries, she kicked it out of the way |
| 01:33.38 | citral | WiFiTux: that's a monster |
| 01:33.41 | citral | a hummer |
| 01:33.46 | Phated | tony: Aaaaahhhh... |
| 01:33.51 | tony | again, the main point is the WARRANTY |
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| 01:34.03 | WiFiTux | citral, haha |
| 01:34.05 | Phated | Well if it survives that, I don't see why you NEED one. :) |
| 01:34.19 | z36ra | anyone heard about Verizon offering FTTP (fiber to the premisis) for $50 bucks? |
| 01:34.29 | chun | yeah |
| 01:34.32 | z36ra | 5mbps |
| 01:34.35 | chun | it's *talked* about |
| 01:34.41 | chun | but not active yet |
| 01:34.45 | Guerin | z36ra: it's been all over /. |
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| 01:34.52 | WiFiTux | 5mbps for $50? |
| 01:34.53 | WiFiTux | wow |
| 01:35.03 | z36ra | yeah! |
| 01:35.15 | z36ra | Im in texas but website says I cant get it. |
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| 01:35.22 | z36ra | wonder who can. |
| 01:35.32 | citral | I don't know how it is for x86 laptops, but I have the feeling my '99 clamshell can kindly live ten years more |
| 01:35.34 | ApEtc | WiFiTux: Where are you located? |
| 01:35.41 | WiFiTux | ApEtc, Costa Rica... :) |
| 01:35.47 | Guerin | trouble with these cases is that they look like they have something valuable inside |
| 01:35.48 | z36ra | I pay $65 for 5 static dsl |
| 01:35.55 | WiFiTux | where Shrimps are cheap but a PC is expensive... |
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| 01:36.16 | WiFiTux | z36ra, 5mbps? |
| 01:36.24 | dondelelcaro | too bad fiber can't be tapped like copper can... |
| 01:36.24 | z36ra | thats what I heard |
| 01:36.27 | WiFiTux | staitc Publoc? |
| 01:36.34 | WiFiTux | ic |
| 01:36.39 | z36ra | techtv |
| 01:36.41 | chun | dondelelcaro - you just need a batter set of tools :) |
| 01:36.50 | chun | s/batter/better |
| 01:36.53 | WiFiTux | Guerin, bs |
| 01:36.55 | Guerin | I need to put this in a factoid |
| 01:37.00 | Guerin | it'll save me the typing |
| 01:37.03 | initech | dondelelcaro: it will take a while for them to find the cut :) |
| 01:37.05 | egon_ | any body can help me what to do with an apt-get install failure of dpkg error of broken pipe? or tell me the irc channel to get help? |
| 01:37.06 | Guerin | WiFiTux: wtf would you know? |
| 01:37.17 | dondelelcaro | chun: yeah... but if I had the cashish for that, I'd already have it installed legitimately. ;-) |
| 01:37.18 | z36ra | wifi: you know my ip |
| 01:37.22 | Phated | Guerin: He knows -everything-, of course. |
| 01:37.23 | tony | dave_n , where are you? |
| 01:37.30 | dave_n | canada |
| 01:37.34 | tony | what is 'rogers'? |
| 01:37.38 | WiFiTux | Guerin, it's too cheap, next time remove the wtf |
| 01:37.39 | citral | yes, WiFiTux is a semi-god |
| 01:37.40 | z36ra | I have one box on a static addy but I have 5 through SWbell |
| 01:37.43 | tony | ahha |
| 01:37.47 | dave_n | tony: the major highspeed isp |
| 01:37.51 | dondelelcaro | egon_: paste the entire output into #flood or use paster [/msg dpkg paster] |
| 01:37.52 | WiFiTux | Phated, cut it. |
| 01:37.54 | Guerin | WiFiTux: it's not too cheap. It's standard in this country. |
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| 01:37.57 | tony | that's a great deal, too bad about the weather |
| 01:38.05 | WiFiTux | Guerin, 24Mbps? |
| 01:38.10 | tony | joking, joking |
| 01:38.13 | dave_n | tony: love the weather, outdoor ice hockey |
| 01:38.15 | Guerin | WiFiTux: I live on a fibre pipe as fat as your arm all the way to Seoul. |
| 01:38.24 | Phated | Guerin: I presume he knows everything about every country too, but you know, I have GOT to get some of that bandwidth. |
| 01:38.26 | ApEtc | dave_n: What part of Canada? |
| 01:38.41 | dave_n | ApEtc: ottawa, ontario |
| 01:38.41 | Guerin | WiFiTux: yes. And I live within walking distance of three military bases and a port. |
| 01:38.44 | WiFiTux | Guerin, wow |
| 01:38.54 | z36ra | Guerin: give me an account. |
| 01:38.59 | citral | Guerin: me too |
| 01:39.10 | Guerin | heh |
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| 01:39.23 | citral | well to irc, it's a little bit overfast |
| 01:39.26 | rich_ | I don't think I'd like to visit a korean prison. |
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| 01:39.42 | Guerin | I want to get wireless, actually |
| 01:39.42 | WiFiTux | citral, bittorrent |
| 01:39.51 | z36ra | my max is 320kbps down and... what? about 90kbps up. I dunno |
| 01:39.54 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah you want everything. :) |
| 01:39.56 | WiFiTux | Guerin, go for it... |
| 01:40.03 | Infux | hi all |
| 01:40.19 | citral | Guerin: take the advice of WiFiSux :P |
| 01:40.30 | AlthalusUK | Guys, does anyone have a 'decent' apt-proxy setup I can theive from them for a US based network.. i've now tried to configure it about 7 times and.. whilst I'm getting lists when I do apt-get update... I don't see much (crap mirror maybe?) .. ?? :P |
| 01:40.30 | z36ra | Guerin: is that Syncronus speed? |
| 01:40.43 | z36ra | man my speeling looks bad |
| 01:40.46 | cafuego | where the hell did my coffee go |
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| 01:40.59 | z36ra | wheres my beer |
| 01:41.06 | WiFiTux | !beer z36ra |
| 01:41.11 | Phated | Black hole. |
| 01:41.16 | citral | where are my socks? |
| 01:41.16 | z36ra | hehe |
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| 01:41.32 | z36ra | Guerin's on the Debian team... isnt he? |
| 01:41.45 | Guerin | yeah, I want wireless so I can steal bandwidth from these guys :) http://feayn.org/~lewis/dscf0004.jpg |
| 01:41.48 | WiFiTux | citral, hell with you. |
| 01:41.56 | Guerin | z36ra: hell no, I can't even script bash. |
| 01:41.58 | citral | WiFiSux :) |
| 01:42.04 | AlthalusUK | specifically, does anyone have the apt-proxy.conf line for debian security? :P |
| 01:42.18 | z36ra | Guerin: not even ONE script? |
| 01:42.20 | Guerin | WiFiTux: no, it's not synchronous. I actually don't know what the real speed is, but it's NOMINALLY 24mbit down. |
| 01:42.32 | Phated | Guerin: Speaking of scripting, it is an -outrage- that there was one, ONE measly Python book and ten different Perl books. |
| 01:42.46 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I didn't ask. But cool. -was z36ra - |
| 01:42.47 | Phated | Guerin: And the Python book was "Text Processing in Python"... |
| 01:42.49 | Guerin | z36ra: well, I can do trivial stuff. But nothing meaningful. I suck. I'm 3 chapters into "Beginning Perl", and it hurts. |
| 01:42.50 | citral | z36ra: look the debian stats, Guerin is 19h/24 on irc, he doesn't have time to code :) |
| 01:42.55 | Guerin | ah, ok |
| 01:43.07 | Guerin | Phated: hahah |
| 01:43.17 | z36ra | jhehe |
| 01:43.19 | Guerin | Phated: I'm going into town tomorrow, I'll look then. |
| 01:43.19 | MobyTurbo | That's one of the good things about NYC, lots of large bookstores. There were several books on Python here when I was looking for them. |
| 01:43.20 | egon_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 01:43.22 | z36ra | hehe even |
| 01:43.35 | Phated | Guerin: :P I want a headstart! :) And if you would look, sure, but so? :) My library sucks. |
| 01:43.39 | cafuego | bloody hell |
| 01:43.51 | eggy | ek |
| 01:43.51 | eggy | asd; |
| 01:43.54 | eggy | bcde |
| 01:44.05 | citral | go on |
| 01:44.07 | Guerin | Phated: there are probably some good resources online, at python.org. Go annoy the people in #python |
| 01:44.14 | z36ra | Yeah, I made it my project to learn Python but I havent done much |
| 01:44.14 | Phated | Guerin: :P Bah. |
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| 01:44.28 | Guerin | Phated: at least you can get books in your language... |
| 01:44.35 | z36ra | hehe |
| 01:44.36 | citral | there is a huge of good online doc for python |
| 01:44.36 | Phated | Guerin: Ohh true. :) |
| 01:44.41 | WiFiTux | Guerin, what's yours? |
| 01:44.45 | citral | that is not the case with perl |
| 01:44.49 | Phated | Heh. |
| 01:44.49 | MobyTurbo | Phated: if you're already OK at programming, try www.diveintopython.org |
| 01:44.50 | Guerin | so yeah, that photo is the satellite base on the hill |
| 01:45.03 | cafuego | !aw Phated |
| 01:45.04 | dpkg | Phated: you action whore! |
| 01:45.09 | WiFiTux | hhaha |
| 01:45.10 | Guerin | I reckon they must have some good signal, it's almost worth getting a wifi card to try out... |
| 01:45.12 | Phated | MobyTurbo: You nuts? This is my first serious learning to program thing. |
| 01:45.17 | Phated | Hey hey hey. |
| 01:45.22 | Phated | I am NOT an action whore. :/ |
| 01:45.29 | Phated | !phatedsmite cafuego |
| 01:45.29 | Guerin | WiFiTux: inglish |
| 01:45.31 | cafuego | "Also, Phated tells us what's up with 132 actions." |
| 01:45.34 | WiFiTux | Guerin, yeah like it's going to be open :/ |
| 01:45.35 | MobyTurbo | Phated: OK, then don't use that one. :-) A number of easy guides are listed at python.org |
| 01:45.39 | Phated | cafuego: And who's the first? |
| 01:45.39 | cafuego | Phated: the stats have spoken |
| 01:45.42 | z36ra | yeah... I seen that. dive into python. |
| 01:45.46 | cafuego | Phated: nvz |
| 01:45.53 | Phated | cafuego: I'm not the first, am I... WELL GO SMITE NVZ! |
| 01:45.53 | Guerin | WiFiTux: but I can haxx0r them!!1 even though I know nothing about wifi or haxxoring |
| 01:45.58 | Phated | MobyTurbo: Cool. |
| 01:46.09 | cafuego | Phated: nvz is an actionslut, different. |
| 01:46.26 | Guerin | WiFiTux: it'd be l33t to log into #debian from a .mil, though. |
| 01:46.29 | WiFiTux | Guerin, well if they use stupid WEP yes, but then they would be the most stupid ppl with bery expensive equipment... |
| 01:46.39 | Phated | cafuego: Ah I see. Allright. Who's leading in smilies? I swear I'll kill Perfdave if he's still in the lead. |
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| 01:46.39 | Guerin | WiFiTux: not so leet to end up in guantanamo bay, however. |
| 01:46.49 | cafuego | Anyone have a handful of SC to ST fibre leads I cna borrow? |
| 01:47.11 | cafuego | Phated: better get your axe out... |
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| 01:47.22 | WiFiTux | Guerin, hhahaaaa, people in #wireless can help you suck that wep key... kismet, ethereal and some John... |
| 01:47.25 | citral | Phated: http://www.honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/ |
| 01:47.32 | Phated | cafuego: I'm not even in anymore, am I... He's dead, and whoever else is in smilies. |
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| 01:47.43 | cafuego | Phated: You're winning in the violence department, though |
| 01:47.44 | Guerin | WiFiTux: 31337! |
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| 01:47.45 | rich_ | A man could get quite a reputation by walking away from guantanamo bay. Some would call it a challenge. |
| 01:47.50 | Phated | cafuego: Oh I know. |
| 01:48.04 | Phated | cafuego: It's mostly the friendly thwacks, really. |
| 01:48.06 | WiFiTux | Guerin, that was to lame speak for me.. ? |
| 01:48.21 | z36ra | 5mbps... I think it's where the future of metro-internet connection is. |
| 01:48.30 | Guerin | WiFiTux: it means "elite". it's a joke, son. |
| 01:48.32 | citral | Guerin: yeah that would teh r0x0rzzzz |
| 01:48.35 | z36ra | sorry bout the rural folk |
| 01:48.53 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I know, I get leet, but that was a hard one.. |
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| 01:49.20 | WiFiTux | 5mbps, you could do everything... |
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| 01:49.31 | citral | hack your grandmother... |
| 01:49.48 | WiFiTux | but move in hyperspace or mass transport :/ |
| 01:49.50 | z36ra | wifi: thats what they said when 18.8k came out. |
| 01:49.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:49.57 | WiFiTux | z36ra, hahaha |
| 01:50.15 | WiFiTux | how is called how you move in Star Trek? |
| 01:50.21 | Phated | Beam? |
| 01:50.26 | WiFiTux | dunno |
| 01:50.27 | Guerin | hyperspace? |
| 01:50.30 | z36ra | guerin: me too |
| 01:50.33 | Phated | WARP! |
| 01:50.35 | WiFiTux | Hyperspace maybe |
| 01:50.37 | Phated | I still have a veef with sussudio, I told him to take off that silly picture of the badgers. |
| 01:50.38 | Guerin | whatever |
| 01:50.40 | Phated | beef damnit. |
| 01:50.56 | dondelelcaro | Phated: but it's badgers, man! |
| 01:51.01 | zignig | cafuego: BAH ! |
| 01:51.04 | Guerin | Phated: you don't choose your pic, it chooses you. |
| 01:51.05 | WiFiTux | ahh |
| 01:51.05 | Phated | dondelelcaro: BAH! |
| 01:51.07 | WiFiTux | beef |
| 01:51.08 | Guerin | cafuego: university? |
| 01:51.09 | citral | cafuego: >: |
| 01:51.12 | cafuego | Guerin: yep |
| 01:51.21 | Phated | Guerin: True, but abrotman has a cute little man! |
| 01:51.30 | Guerin | Phated: awww. |
| 01:51.31 | citral | captain' beef, hyperspace! |
| 01:51.37 | Guerin | Phated: you should swap nicks. |
| 01:51.42 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah or something. |
| 01:51.46 | cafuego | Guerin: Frighteningly slow most of the time due to morons running multiple NT4 servers as master browsers, creating netbios packetstorms. |
| 01:51.56 | Guerin | cafuego: haha |
| 01:52.12 | z36ra | When I was in high school there was no such thing as a hard drive. |
| 01:52.15 | WiFiTux | light saber, body equipment... |
| 01:52.23 | Phated | The piercing pain... |
| 01:52.29 | WiFiTux | ahh |
| 01:52.41 | citral | big ears |
| 01:52.46 | WiFiTux | z36ra, then you most be 36 |
| 01:52.53 | cafuego | Guerin: With that and tcpdump and an admin email i managed to have quite a few ports closed down for a week or so :-) |
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| 01:52.55 | Phated | Jar Jar oh god the AGONY! |
| 01:53.12 | dondelelcaro | z36ra: uh... you better at least be > 50 |
| 01:53.14 | WiFiTux | Phated, yes. But only him and the frag guys... |
| 01:53.15 | Guerin | cafuego: nice. |
| 01:53.18 | MobyTurbo | older, when I was in high-school there *were* 5MB hard-drives for micros, but they were frightfully expensive. |
| 01:53.18 | WiFiTux | fros |
| 01:53.20 | WiFiTux | frog |
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| 01:53.32 | Phated | WiFiTux: *shudder* |
| 01:53.40 | Guerin | mmm, frog |
| 01:53.41 | toad_ | does samba 3.0.8-1 fix the segv-all-the-time bug that has been present for nearly the last year? |
| 01:53.44 | Guerin | with garlic |
| 01:53.47 | Guerin | and thai spices |
| 01:53.50 | zignig | Guerin: nice with lemon :) |
| 01:53.55 | toad_ | Guerin: just so long as it isn't toad ! |
| 01:53.58 | dondelelcaro | I mean, there were 14" platters in 75 or so... |
| 01:53.58 | citral | snakes |
| 01:53.59 | Phated | Guerin: Come down sometime, frog leg porridge in Geylang. :) |
| 01:54.04 | z36ra | When I programmed in Basic, we coinnected with a terminal to the local colledge. The computer at the University of Texas was called Tarus and we put the receiver of the phone in a cradle. |
| 01:54.11 | MrKeuner | hi there, running sid up-to-date as of yesterday. Anybody having a problem after today's update? (I guess gnome 2.8 upgrade process has started and it might be logical to wait for a copule of days to do another dist-upgrade??) |
| 01:54.14 | Phated | cafuego: OK, eeeew. |
| 01:54.16 | Guerin | zignig: yeah, lime and lemongrass and chili and stuff |
| 01:54.18 | toad_ | z36ra: baud? |
| 01:54.18 | dondelelcaro | drums were around sometime in the 60s |
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| 01:54.23 | rich_ | I remember all the kids talking about hard drives but by the time I left 8th grade I was already useing the mainframes at stanford and I had no idea what my disk quota was because it was in blocks, not megabytes |
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| 01:54.34 | zignig | Guerin: steamed or fried ? |
| 01:54.36 | toad_ | MrKeuner: yesterday there were problems with sed |
| 01:54.42 | rich_ | and I didnt know what a block was |
| 01:54.46 | WiFiTux | zignig, fried |
| 01:54.48 | Phated | zignig: Fried, of course. |
| 01:54.48 | MrKeuner | sed issue is resolved |
| 01:54.52 | toad_ | nod |
| 01:54.54 | Guerin | zignig: fried really hot, with tons of garlic, then doused in aforementioned spices |
| 01:54.56 | toad_ | is the samba issue resolved? |
| 01:55.00 | xam | rich_ well, depends on the harddrive really ;) |
| 01:55.04 | z36ra | toad_ I couldnt tel you (forgot) but it was SLOW. |
| 01:55.05 | toad_ | does anyone on the debian team actually use samba ? :) |
| 01:55.06 | Guerin | in northeastern thailand |
| 01:55.10 | Guerin | it was awesome |
| 01:55.11 | cafuego | toad_: it talks to windows, so it's broken by design. |
| 01:55.18 | toad_ | cafuego: well apart from that! |
| 01:55.19 | WiFiTux | toad_, ahhh me... :/ |
| 01:55.21 | Phated | Yeah... Thai food good... |
| 01:55.28 | toad_ | samba is one of the big early OSS success stories |
| 01:55.36 | toad_ | in terms of biz deployment |
| 01:55.39 | rich_ | xam yes, and I never came close to exceeding the quota, so I never really needed to know |
| 01:55.46 | xam | Phated: what about Japanese food? |
| 01:55.49 | WiFiTux | toad_, is flexibility... |
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| 01:55.56 | Guerin | japanese food is good |
| 01:55.59 | Phated | xam: Well that of course rules way more than Thai. Sorry, Guerin. :) |
| 01:56.00 | Guerin | subtle |
| 01:56.04 | toad_ | WiFiTux: huh? |
| 01:56.08 | WiFiTux | Fresh! Japanese food |
| 01:56.09 | xam | Phated: ;) |
| 01:56.11 | Guerin | no, thai > japanese food |
| 01:56.11 | toad_ | well i've been using sid for some time |
| 01:56.18 | Phated | xam: :) Sushi sushi sushi! |
| 01:56.25 | Guerin | much as I love sushi and sashimi, I have to say it. |
| 01:56.27 | toad_ | often when i reinstall it, samba would start working for a day or two |
| 01:56.27 | Phated | Japanese > Korean > Thai. |
| 01:56.27 | xam | WiFiTux: well, I suppose you can't get that outside Japan ... |
| 01:56.30 | toad_ | then it breaks |
| 01:56.31 | dondelelcaro | toad_: not really. Apache was. |
| 01:56.34 | toad_ | constantly SEGVs |
| 01:56.36 | Phated | Japanese > Korean > Thai > everythingelse. |
| 01:56.37 | WiFiTux | xam, huh? haha |
| 01:56.38 | cafuego | Guerin: Thai gets so boring though |
| 01:56.41 | Guerin | Phated: korean > thai? WTF? |
| 01:56.45 | Phated | xam: Cruel. |
| 01:56.51 | Phated | Guerin: Well unless you beat it everyday. :) |
| 01:56.52 | toad_ | has it actually been fixed this time? |
| 01:56.53 | Phated | eat* |
| 01:56.55 | z36ra | dondelelcaro: acually, this was before PC. That said, there may have been "hard drives" but they were not "consumer" hard drives. Perhaps I should have said, "before PC's". |
| 01:57.00 | toad_ | does anyone know anything about that? |
| 01:57.01 | cafuego | CHinese > Indian > * |
| 01:57.01 | xam | Phated: why? I'm realist! |
| 01:57.03 | Guerin | cafuego: I never get bored of it. I don't eat it too often though. |
| 01:57.05 | WiFiTux | Thai is really spicy, |
| 01:57.10 | toad_ | z36ra: there were 5MB hard drives in like the 60s |
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| 01:57.17 | toad_ | z36ra: of course they cost $00,000s+ |
| 01:57.27 | Guerin | I have limes! |
| 01:57.30 | Guerin | ooh |
| 01:57.32 | Guerin | I need rum |
| 01:57.34 | WiFiTux | Guerin, yes, can i join? |
| 01:57.36 | Phated | Guerin: The really expensive ones? |
| 01:57.37 | toad_ | maybe 70s |
| 01:57.43 | toad_ | something like that.. LONG time ago |
| 01:57.45 | cafuego | Guerin: It's all just lemongrass, chilli & lime flavour. Boring after having it twice in a week, to the point of not really having felt like thai for months now. |
| 01:57.46 | Guerin | WiFiTux: yeah, thai green curry over tcp/ip |
| 01:57.48 | z36ra | I'm 40, by the way |
| 01:57.50 | toad_ | so nobody knows if samba is really fixed? |
| 01:57.52 | WiFiTux | Guerin, :) |
| 01:57.58 | Guerin | cafuego: it's not ALL like that. |
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| 01:58.07 | cafuego | Guerin: it is in Melbourne |
| 01:58.09 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ok, there you go, something else that can't go over a 5mbps.. |
| 01:58.30 | roo9 | for some reason my email is not getting from /var/spool/mail/<user> to /home/<user>/mbox, any ideas why? |
| 01:58.30 | Guerin | WiFiTux: there's no amount of bandwidth in the world which can transmit sensation. |
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| 01:58.51 | WiFiTux | Is there someone else here than lives in Costa Rica? I buy dinner... :( |
| 01:58.55 | z36ra | but im 18 at heart |
| 01:58.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: sure there is... |
| 01:58.59 | WiFiTux | !cry WiFiTux |
| 01:59.06 | cafuego | Guerin: I dare you to repeat that after you orsagm when you download a DVDs worth of stuff in under 1 second ;-) |
| 01:59.30 | z36ra | I would cry if I could get 5mbps |
| 01:59.31 | Guerin | cafuego: haha, my HDD isn't fast enough |
| 01:59.32 | WiFiTux | cafuego, hahha |
| 01:59.34 | rich_ | some people would say you have to read the whole book to understand one feeling. |
| 01:59.46 | WiFiTux | whole book> |
| 01:59.52 | toad_ | heh |
| 01:59.59 | roo9 | Guerin: perhaps not, but think of it this way, how much p0rn could you download on a OC3 |
| 02:00.00 | Phated | cafuego: Heh. |
| 02:00.05 | Guerin | cafuego: typically I'm limited by remote host speeds |
| 02:00.11 | Phated | Guerin doesn't need pr0n. |
| 02:00.12 | xam | WiFiTux: you mean: brain < whole book |
| 02:00.19 | z36ra | I could write a whole 4 page book about my feeling of 5mbps. |
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| 02:00.21 | z36ra | hehe |
| 02:00.29 | Guerin | roo9: I've already got heaps of porn> She's asleep at the moment, but it's still porn. |
| 02:00.45 | WiFiTux | pr0n? |
| 02:00.49 | z36ra | porn? |
| 02:01.01 | rich_ | I mean any book. Theres no way you could know excactly how the charactor feels without reading the whole book. |
| 02:01.05 | Guerin | I did download three redhat isos in 20 minutes, though. |
| 02:01.32 | WiFiTux | z36ra, If I watch more pr0n, I'll go postal... |
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| 02:01.44 | xam | Guerin: geeks. One second they talk about porn, the next second about RedHat CDs |
| 02:01.59 | Guerin | we only watch porn when we're out of town, staying in korean love-hotels |
| 02:02.10 | Guerin | and it's really for the comedy factor |
| 02:02.17 | Guerin | korean porn is the worst ever |
| 02:02.22 | WiFiTux | Guerin, haha |
| 02:02.47 | Guerin | it's pretty funny actually |
| 02:02.47 | WiFiTux | all exagerated and stuff |
| 02:02.50 | WiFiTux | yeah |
| 02:02.53 | Phated | Really. |
| 02:03.04 | FieldySnuts | heh that got Phateds attention |
| 02:03.07 | roo9 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.09 | initech | Guerin: bukkake is the worst ever |
| 02:03.09 | xam | Guerin: exagerated? mhh |
| 02:03.17 | Guerin | a bunch of whiteys go back to the motel after the bars and all congregate in one room watching porn and playing drinking games |
| 02:03.21 | Guerin | and laughing |
| 02:03.27 | Guerin | and there's no sex because it isn't sexy |
| 02:03.30 | Phated | Wheee yet one more violence action. |
| 02:03.36 | Guerin | initech: no, that's japanese |
| 02:03.42 | initech | Guerin: i know |
| 02:03.47 | Phated | *shudder* |
| 02:03.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: d-i |
| 02:03.51 | xam | initech: well, you don't have to do it if you don't want |
| 02:03.51 | WiFiTux | Guerin, that sounds very gay, if only men involved.. |
| 02:03.52 | Guerin | korean porn is basically not even porn |
| 02:04.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *THWACKTHWACKTHWACKTHWACK* |
| 02:04.07 | FieldySnuts | wow can we go back to debian. |
| 02:04.14 | WiFiTux | no |
| 02:04.21 | Phated | FieldySnuts: No one's bothered. |
| 02:04.23 | rich_ | I had a buddy who inherited a korean woman who used to be a singer after the korean war, and I saw some old films of her singing. It was very exagerated, and funny. |
| 02:04.23 | Guerin | WiFiTux: who says only men were involved? Most of the teachers here, and all my friends bar about 4, are women. |
| 02:04.26 | initech | autopr0n is no more |
| 02:04.36 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ahh ok |
| 02:04.43 | rich_ | They laugh with their mouths wide open |
| 02:04.43 | samuel | ok... i have a riddle i cant figure out... i think this is the perfect place to ask "If only you and DEAD people can read hex, then how many people can read hex?" 57006? but why? (i know im gonna get some sh"· on this one) |
| 02:04.50 | WiFiTux | FieldySnuts, let's wait till people ask stuff |
| 02:04.58 | dave_n | initech: but thehun.org is still going |
| 02:05.19 | ApEtc | samuel: DEAD is hex for 57005 |
| 02:05.27 | dondelelcaro | samuel: time to figure out what hexadecimal is, and why you're going to be DEADBEEF. |
| 02:05.33 | ApEtc | samuel: So 57005 plus you is 57006 |
| 02:05.45 | samuel | oh |
| 02:05.49 | samuel | duc |
| 02:05.49 | WiFiTux | ohh boy, too geek for me... |
| 02:05.50 | xam | samuel: OMFG ... |
| 02:05.55 | samuel | hahaha |
| 02:06.00 | samuel | sorry |
| 02:06.04 | Phated | One moment pr0n, the next hex... Yes you truly are all geeks. |
| 02:06.05 | samuel | slow today |
| 02:06.19 | dondelelcaro | Phated: we can go back to pr0n if it makes you more comfortable... |
| 02:06.24 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
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| 02:06.47 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 02:06.49 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Meh, no diff. :) |
| 02:06.54 | ApEtc | cafuego: Nice |
| 02:07.19 | cafuego | Also on map 43. |
| 02:07.36 | cafuego | I checked #42's on map 42 and map 2A but it's a REALLY shiot looking little thing |
| 02:07.51 | rich_ | All I can say about pr0n is it's not addictive. If anyone could have gotten addicted to it, it would have been me, but theres no withdrawl. |
| 02:08.16 | FieldySnuts | no pun... |
| 02:08.23 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Numerology/astrology freak. :) |
| 02:08.26 | WiFiTux | rich_, there is a step in life where you become addictive to it.. |
| 02:08.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Nice one. :) |
| 02:08.37 | WiFiTux | and that ends till' hhmm, you start getting laid? |
| 02:08.55 | dondelelcaro | Phated: yeah... what's worse is the street isn't even named (directly) after the sign... It's a famous sailboat. |
| 02:09.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:09.38 | Guerin | that was in SF, right? |
| 02:09.54 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ah. Well, you can enjoy the coincidence anyways, isn't that what astrology is all about... "And Mars is in coincidence with Jupiter..." |
| 02:09.59 | Phated | :) |
| 02:10.18 | z36ra | im outta hear guys... l8r |
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| 02:10.27 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: nah, in huntington beach... |
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| 02:10.54 | Phated | Iowa? |
| 02:11.20 | ifup | hello, Is there an ascii art application? |
| 02:11.30 | FieldySnuts | vi |
| 02:11.31 | Guerin | iowa doesn't have many beaches, Phated |
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| 02:11.41 | ApEtc | ifup: aa? |
| 02:11.42 | Guerin | ifup: echo is 31337 |
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| 02:12.37 | plazia | anyone using the tabbrowser extension in firefox, clicking the "load new tabs in background" and finding that it doesn't work? |
| 02:12.38 | Phated | Oh wait hang on that's Florida isn't it. |
| 02:12.59 | Phated | Ascii art? Cadubi. :D |
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| 02:13.14 | plazia | everytime I open a link in a new tab with either middle click or right-click open-in-new tab.. the browser switches focus to that tab. |
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| 02:13.46 | WiFiTux | illwillpress.com/tech.html |
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| 02:13.55 | Jids | hi |
| 02:14.44 | dondelelcaro | Phated: no, it's in the other orange county. The one the movie was made out of. |
| 02:15.13 | Phated | dondelelcaro: OK I'll just go "Mm-hm, that's nice" here like I know what movie you refer to. :) But OK. |
| 02:15.15 | Guerin | The O.C. => worst soap evar |
| 02:15.26 | Phated | Oh that sucks like all hell. |
| 02:15.40 | Phated | *shudder* And my friends like it. |
| 02:15.45 | rich_ | Guerin Thank you. I suspected as much, but now I don't have to watch it to find out. |
| 02:15.47 | cafuego | Guerin: No. You haven't seen "Spijkerhoek". |
| 02:16.05 | FieldySnuts | Badgerhoek? |
| 02:16.07 | Phated | Dutch soap...? Could be interesting... |
| 02:16.09 | rich_ | The ads look like its '94025' |
| 02:16.12 | dondelelcaro | Phated: http://imdb.com/title/tt0273923/ |
| 02:16.16 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ah. |
| 02:16.17 | Guerin | my fucking idiot gay friend always has the girls over to his house to watch it |
| 02:16.24 | Phated | Right. |
| 02:16.34 | cafuego | Phated: Mo, BAAAAD! |
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| 02:16.36 | Guerin | we made the mistake of showing up with beers while it was on once, and were given the cold shoulder |
| 02:16.36 | FieldySnuts | jealous? |
| 02:16.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you think it's bad watching a soap about it? Geez. I grew up with people like that. |
| 02:17.03 | ifup | I still can not find a good ascii art generator/app I know there is one for dos, apt-cache had no aa |
| 02:17.06 | cafuego | Crap, I need a visa to attend a meeting in .sg? |
| 02:17.10 | dondelelcaro | and yes, unfortunatly, the stupid movie is so accurate it hurts... |
| 02:17.16 | xam | dondelelcaro: I pity you |
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| 02:17.20 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: jesus, that's terrible. |
| 02:17.24 | Phated | cafuego: OK, OK... |
| 02:17.33 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Gah. |
| 02:18.04 | Phated | cafuego: You do? How odd, I thought the visas here were like near unnecessary... Skip the meeting! |
| 02:18.13 | cafuego | Phated: it will make your eyes bleed and your brain spontaneously combust |
| 02:18.13 | Phated | Guerin: You -wish-. |
| 02:18.21 | Guerin | unfortunately, reality tv shows like the one about the hilton slappers and jessica simpson are convincing me otherwise |
| 02:18.23 | Phated | cafuego: Interesting, which one first? |
| 02:18.42 | Phated | Guerin: "The Simple Life"? a bigger piece of shite never existed. |
| 02:18.45 | cafuego | Phated: the merting will pay my rent in december and january |
| 02:18.54 | Phated | cafuego: Oh. Well in that case. :/ |
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| 02:19.14 | rich_ | Your right, its made up by fuckwits, but they are 15 year old children who cant tell the difference between fantasy and reality. |
| 02:19.16 | Guerin | Phated: "playing it straight" gives it a run |
| 02:19.21 | cafuego | and the business class flight will (with a bit of luck) mean I get to keep my silver status |
| 02:19.22 | dondelelcaro | Phated: yes, bigger pieces of dung have been... but.. |
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| 02:19.34 | tnks | hello everybody. |
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| 02:19.56 | tnks | I was just looking at my kernel messages and I found a curious entry: |
| 02:20.07 | Guerin | hrm, are there 12" tibooks? I can only seem to find 15" and 17" on ebay |
| 02:20.28 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Nope the only 12" are ibooks. |
| 02:20.30 | cafuego | Guerin: yep, seen 'em in shops |
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| 02:20.51 | tnks | "kernel: Warning: CPU frequency is 600000, cpufreq assumed 1700000 kHz. |
| 02:20.57 | Phated | Guerin: Really. |
| 02:21.14 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Really? Hard to imagine... but I'll take yournolder wiser self's word for it. |
| 02:21.15 | findme | I tried to install ymessenger, it bailed out due to some dependency, now every time I run apt-get install it tries to install ymessenger. How do I tell apt-get to stop looking at it. ? |
| 02:21.19 | tnks | I have a Centrino laptop, and am using a 2.9.1 kernel. |
| 02:21.34 | tnks | sorry. . . typo. 2.6.9 |
| 02:21.39 | Phated | Heh. :) |
| 02:21.52 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: You're lying. |
| 02:22.00 | ApEtc | tnks: Does your laptop have some sort of battery-saving throttling enabled? |
| 02:22.08 | tnks | I believe so. |
| 02:22.33 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: I've never seen them. So I may be wrong. |
| 02:22.34 | cafuego | tnks: When it says "Error" you worry. if it says "Warning" you ignore it. |
| 02:23.01 | ApEtc | tnks: Those numbers imply 600mhz and 1.7ghz. A Pentium M running at 1.7ghz is a regular chip. If it has Speedstep (or whatever it is called) 600mhz might be the speed it drops to. |
| 02:23.07 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: You are. 12" 1.33GHz G4 PowerBook, Combodrive |
| 02:23.19 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: cool. |
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| 02:23.44 | cafuego | builtin 10/100, Airport Extreme, mini-dvi out, fw400 |
| 02:23.52 | ApEtc | tnks: And just to be clear, I'm more or less speculating. I'm not familiar with the warning and don't know much about Centrino chips. |
| 02:23.58 | tnks | ApEtc: you're absolutely right. That's what's happening. I just don't understand why the kernel would complain about it. |
| 02:24.10 | WiFiTux | scarynetworkguy, is it heavy? :-> |
| 02:24.12 | cafuego | ApEtc: Centrino chips taste funny |
| 02:24.22 | Phated | Pringles all the way! |
| 02:24.26 | scarynetworkguy | WiFiTux: is what heavy? |
| 02:24.35 | sussudio | badgers? |
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| 02:24.45 | Analiser | help some one |
| 02:24.52 | Analiser | root@Nixbox:/usr/local/mysqlcc-0.9.4-linux-glibc23# ./mysqlcc |
| 02:24.52 | Analiser | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 02:24.52 | Analiser | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 02:24.52 | Analiser | : cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
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| 02:25.09 | Phated | Oooo badgerbadgerbadger. |
| 02:25.09 | WiFiTux | scarynetworkguy, the PowerBook? sorry if you are not the one with one.. |
| 02:25.13 | ApEtc | tnks: I guess the speed change is confusing it to some extent. But as cafuego said, since it says "warning" and not "error" it means catastrophe is not yet occuring. |
| 02:25.16 | cafuego | Analiser: The problem is, you're an idiot. |
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| 02:25.28 | ifup | does anyone know if sarge can apt-get kde 3.3.x from 3.2 and how? |
| 02:25.29 | Phated | Harse but so very true... |
| 02:25.32 | Guerin | ah, cisco user. That explains it. |
| 02:25.36 | WiFiTux | ApTek, Pentium M is fine... Why? |
| 02:25.48 | cafuego | Analiser: You can't run stuff as root when you're running X as a user. Use 'sudo' or 'su' and not 'su -' |
| 02:25.51 | scarynetworkguy | WiFiTux: I don't have one but I've played with my buddies and no not really. |
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| 02:26.10 | Guerin | ifup: no, it can't. You'd need to get the packages from unstable, or build .debs yourself. |
| 02:26.16 | WiFiTux | scarynetworkguy, you play with your buddies? hehe. OK cool. |
| 02:26.17 | Analiser | ok tanks |
| 02:26.20 | cire | I ahve a problem with a perl script. Running the script (with execute rights set) brings me: bad interpreter, file not found. Writing my own script "hello world) works. The first line is #!/usr/bin/perl, which seems to be correct. (as it works in my test-script). I searched in google, but the workarounds described there didn't work for me. |
| 02:26.26 | ApEtc | WiFiTux: What are you referring to? |
| 02:26.27 | scarynetworkguy | !gay |
| 02:26.27 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 02:26.35 | WiFiTux | ApTek, Centrino CPU... |
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| 02:27.08 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 02:27.09 | WiFiTux | scarynetworkguy, haha |
| 02:27.20 | siimo | anyone use nitro kernels? |
| 02:27.25 | Phated | cafuego: It's lesbian, don't think it cares. :) |
| 02:27.43 | WiFiTux | Oh yes, Lesbian do care... |
| 02:27.59 | WiFiTux | nah ah. you ain't getting any... |
| 02:28.46 | Guerin | cafuego: that's what you get for moving the mouse like that... |
| 02:28.49 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I do, and the least they do is screw a guy... |
| 02:29.03 | Guerin | the least? |
| 02:29.13 | WiFiTux | last |
| 02:29.15 | WiFiTux | :| |
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| 02:29.45 | Guerin | haha: Listing has picturesApple PowerBook G4 1GHz: Titanium Edition (Not a Dell) <-- from an ebay description |
| 02:29.50 | cire | ...did I tell yet "perl scriptname" works? |
| 02:29.58 | MaxeyPad | I'd like to install debian onto a raid 1 mirror array (3ware escalade) what installer cds will support that. |
| 02:30.04 | WiFiTux | Guerin, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to have 2 lesbians around... :-) |
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| 02:30.37 | Phated | Talk to FieldySnuts, she knows people... |
| 02:31.00 | WiFiTux | yummi. |
| 02:31.43 | Phated | Yes, no duh. |
| 02:31.59 | xam | Phated: I pick 'Duh' |
| 02:32.00 | WiFiTux | well how could I tell :/ |
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| 02:32.10 | simp | is there a way to wget a private dir? for example blah.com/images is "forbidden" but i can see blah.com/images/hey.jpg, i want to see the other picutres but i do not know there file names |
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| 02:32.13 | Phated | xam: :) |
| 02:32.30 | Phated | WiFiTux: I dunno, mostly from the times I huggle her and say "How's it going, girl?" :P |
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| 02:32.36 | ApEtc | simp: Throw together letters and hope the match filenames? |
| 02:32.49 | WiFiTux | Phated, hehe... oki.... |
| 02:32.50 | simp | yeah, thats kinda time consuming |
| 02:33.15 | ApEtc | simp: Since the directory listing is forbidden, there really isn't a way to get the filenames. |
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| 02:33.18 | WiFiTux | OK, times up for me... Sleep well guys/gals |
| 02:33.31 | xam | simp: the purpose of a hidden directory IS that you cannot see the directory listing ... |
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| 02:33.34 | sussudio | !rootbadger Jebediah |
| 02:33.37 | sussudio | erm |
| 02:33.46 | Phated | simp: ls -a? |
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| 02:33.54 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:34.00 | Phated | Heh. |
| 02:34.09 | simp | xam: yeah, but i want too see :P |
| 02:34.11 | xam | simp: I mean hidden as in 'chmod a-r' |
| 02:34.19 | Jebediah | hva? |
| 02:34.26 | Guerin | simp: that just means that indexes have been turned off |
| 02:34.31 | xam | simp: you are not allowed ;) |
| 02:34.37 | simp | but i want too! |
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| 02:34.50 | Guerin | simp: which means you must know the name of each specific file you wish to get |
| 02:34.58 | xam | Guerin: yes, either that, or the directory has '-r' |
| 02:35.05 | Guerin | simp: ok, talk to the serveradmin and ask them to turn listings on. Good luck... |
| 02:35.08 | Jebediah | sussudio: something you want to tell me?> |
| 02:35.10 | ApEtc | simp: If it isn't your box, you could send a nice email asking |
| 02:35.10 | Guerin | xam: sure. |
| 02:35.32 | sussudio | Jebediah: s/Jebediah/Jee/ |
| 02:35.41 | simp | :( its photobucket :P |
| 02:35.50 | simp | i wanna see a users dir :) |
| 02:36.01 | ApEtc | Email the user |
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| 02:36.14 | simp | not that simple |
| 02:36.24 | Guerin | simp: sucks to be you, then. Are the photos linked from a html page? just pull the urls out of the html source and ake a script to get each one individually |
| 02:36.34 | cafuego | Any offers on lending me 4 ST->SC fibre cables? Any ST->ST offers? |
| 02:36.44 | Jebediah | sussudio: uh, ok |
| 02:36.53 | Jids | Um... is there any channel here that i can ask questions about Debian on? |
| 02:36.59 | Guerin | cafuego: if I knew what one of those was, I'd gladly lend it to you, I think. |
| 02:37.03 | dondelelcaro | Jids: this channel. |
| 02:37.05 | ApEtc | juds: I'd try #debian |
| 02:37.08 | Jebediah | Jids: this is teh channel |
| 02:37.11 | Jids | alrighty then |
| 02:37.12 | ApEtc | s/juds/Jids/ |
| 02:37.12 | Guerin | Jids: wow, you've arrived. We've been expecting you. |
| 02:37.18 | croddy | all hail juds |
| 02:37.21 | simp | Guerin: huh? |
| 02:37.25 | Jids | ^_^ |
| 02:37.26 | Guerin | simp: ? |
| 02:37.29 | Jids | Alright... |
| 02:37.31 | sussudio | baah? |
| 02:37.36 | ApEtc | buh? |
| 02:37.38 | Jids | there are all these versions of debian... alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, source, and sparc... which one would i download? |
| 02:37.39 | Phated | BAH |
| 02:37.44 | sussudio | mydausmeliceps |
| 02:37.47 | Jids | is there any difference between them? |
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| 02:37.47 | samuel | ok... i dont find this funny, does anyone? "The electron told the proton: Why dont we let out attraction do some quantum tunneling to become one?" |
| 02:37.47 | Phated | What's your arch? |
| 02:37.49 | croddy | Jids: what kind of computer do you have |
| 02:37.50 | Guerin | Jids: depends what kinda computer you have. |
| 02:37.51 | simp | Guerin: explain :< |
| 02:37.53 | ApEtc | juds: What sort of CPU/comp do you have? |
| 02:37.59 | ApEtc | Goddamn it, I did it again |
| 02:38.01 | Jids | its a PIII |
| 02:38.06 | holo | anyone here has a 160gb hard drive? i can't get more than 147gb using ext3 and ext2, more than 150gb using reiserfs and more than 149 using xfs.. bios can't detect the whole space so it must be bios limitation but this kernel does detect and cfdisk detects 160000mb |
| 02:38.06 | orospakr | Jids, get i386 |
| 02:38.08 | simp | (13:12:28) —› guerin is blocking messages from unidentified users. you must register and identify with nickserv before talking to this user. |
| 02:38.08 | ApEtc | Jids: i386 |
| 02:38.10 | simp | :( |
| 02:38.10 | Phated | i386 |
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| 02:38.17 | Phated | Sweet. |
| 02:38.20 | Guerin | simp: yeah, no shit. Don't fucking /msg me. |
| 02:38.25 | sussudio | simp: and you're /msging Guerin, why? asshole. |
| 02:38.27 | Jids | Alright... and do all of you use jigdo? |
| 02:38.30 | Phated | Guerin: Oooh how do you do that? |
| 02:38.31 | Guerin | simp: what about my idea was unclear? |
| 02:38.34 | Phated | Jids: Nope. |
| 02:38.36 | pwn4ge | hi, i'm having trouble getting the debian netinst cd to work |
| 02:38.37 | simp | chill out about the nerdcrys |
| 02:38.38 | Guerin | Phated: /umode +E |
| 02:38.42 | simp | like how it works exactly |
| 02:38.44 | Jids | no one uses jigdo? |
| 02:38.46 | croddy | Jids: i prefer the net-installer. |
| 02:38.49 | Phated | Guerin: Thanks. :) |
| 02:38.50 | pwn4ge | i'm trying to install on a sparc machine |
| 02:38.55 | Jids | hum |
| 02:38.56 | Guerin | simp: are the files you want to get linked from a html page? |
| 02:39.09 | Jids | well, how would i get an install cd? |
| 02:39.10 | holo | so if anyone has such a disk i wanted to know how much space in gb is being used |
| 02:39.11 | simp | no |
| 02:39.16 | dondelelcaro | Jids: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 02:39.19 | simp | i got a link to one of the photos |
| 02:39.19 | croddy | Jids: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+net+install |
| 02:39.21 | pwn4ge | it freezes at "setting console mode to unicode (UTF-8)" |
| 02:39.22 | cafuego | Jids: Download a tiny iso |
| 02:39.24 | ApEtc | Jids: debian.org has a couple of CD images available |
| 02:39.35 | dondelelcaro | simp: unless you have a list of all of the photos, there's no way to get that information. |
| 02:39.42 | dondelelcaro | simp: HTTP does not do directory listing at all. |
| 02:39.56 | Guerin | simp: ok, the short answer is that you can only get photos you have a link or a url to - unless you can somehow guess the names. |
| 02:40.17 | simp | :( |
| 02:40.18 | Jids | croddy: so then i download the woody-i386-1.iso, and burn it to cd? |
| 02:40.37 | Phated | Yes, and burn it as an image, of course. |
| 02:40.43 | dondelelcaro | Jids: you can, or you can just use the netinstaller if you've got a reasonably sized pipe. |
| 02:40.51 | Guerin | simp: think about it this way: the copyright holder doesn't want all these photos to be public, otherwise they would have made them so> Ask nicely, or do without. |
| 02:41.11 | Jids | ApEtc: where on the site are the images? |
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| 02:41.19 | dondelelcaro | Jids: cd.debian.org |
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| 02:41.41 | ApEtc | Jids: Somewhere on the left side is a link to CD images |
| 02:41.47 | dondelelcaro | Jids: rrr... debian.org/CD; actually. |
| 02:41.53 | Jids | ah |
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| 02:41.59 | Jids | i was wondering why it didn't work lol |
| 02:42.15 | ApEtc | juds: If you have a high-speed connection, use the network install mini cd |
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| 02:42.30 | jsoft | Anyone familiar with snort? Im getting vauge erorrs like this: command line overrides rules file alert plugin! |
| 02:42.32 | Guerin | cdimage.d.o works as well, I think |
| 02:42.35 | kitae | my attempt to upgrade the twiki package is failing, I'm not getting any kind of error message, is there a place where i can find the actual upgrade script so I can look at it and try and figure out what's going on? |
| 02:42.50 | cafuego | jsoft: That's not an error. it's a notice. |
| 02:43.00 | kitae | the only error is "exit status 1" |
| 02:43.22 | Guerin | kitae: post the whole output to a paster; there might be something which doesn't look like output but is. |
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| 02:43.29 | Guerin | s/output/error output/ |
| 02:43.38 | cafuego | jsoft: And it's quite specific as well, not in any way vague. |
| 02:43.41 | Jids | ApEtc: well, i'm going to be installing it on my computer at school... so the connection isn't really very fast... |
| 02:43.59 | cafuego | Jids: 512Kb/sec or higher? |
| 02:44.06 | Phated | You sure you're allowed to do that? Schools generally frown on getting a whole new OS. :) |
| 02:44.31 | Jids | Phated: well, these are computers in our computer club, in which i hold a prominent position... so we're allowed to |
| 02:44.37 | ApEtc | Jids: Depending on what you plan to install on top of the base system, not all that much needs to be downloaded. |
| 02:44.38 | Phated | Ah, OK. |
| 02:44.47 | Jids | confuego: well, a few days ago i was getting a speed of 16kb/second... |
| 02:44.54 | Phated | Ouch. |
| 02:44.58 | Jids | yep |
| 02:45.02 | cafuego | Jids: <heh> great! |
| 02:45.07 | Jids | lol |
| 02:45.15 | Jids | that was before my win2k stopped working properly... |
| 02:45.18 | cafuego | Jids: Tell the admins to stop playing HL2 whilst you're installing. |
| 02:45.25 | Guerin | kitae: but those scripts live in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 02:45.28 | Phated | Yeah those stupid HL2 fucks. |
| 02:45.34 | kitae | ok |
| 02:45.36 | dondelelcaro | kitae: file a bug against twiki if it doesn't exist already, and touch /etc/twiki/apache.conf; |
| 02:45.42 | Jids | LOL... they don't... but students in the library use the internet... |
| 02:45.53 | rich_ | Jids Ive never seen it work properly. So be thankful, your lucky. |
| 02:45.54 | cafuego | Jids: Unplug the librarys witch during install. |
| 02:46.00 | xam | Phated: whoa |
| 02:46.01 | Jids | LOL |
| 02:46.01 | Phated | Well tell the students to get off the internet. |
| 02:46.10 | cafuego | Jids: Those bitches can use books for an hour, they're in the library after all. |
| 02:46.12 | kitae | i'm going to paste again, the conf file didn't exist because i renamed it, there's still an error, pasting now |
| 02:46.12 | Phated | xam: YES BURN HL2 FUCKS BURN! |
| 02:46.14 | Jids | that won't quite work... i'm already on bad terms with the librarian... |
| 02:46.17 | xam | Phated: HL2 rules! |
| 02:46.23 | Phated | Jids: So? :) Make it worse. |
| 02:46.29 | xam | !start a fps war |
| 02:46.31 | Jids | LOL |
| 02:46.34 | Jids | no thanks... |
| 02:46.35 | Phated | xam: <repetition of above statement> |
| 02:46.38 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm, did he paste some error output, or have you just got a crystal ball? |
| 02:46.46 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, he did... into #flood |
| 02:46.48 | xam | Phated: <repetition of above statement> |
| 02:46.49 | Guerin | ah |
| 02:46.51 | Phated | xam: <repetition of above statement> |
| 02:47.09 | xam | Phated: <slight variation of above statement> |
| 02:47.15 | Guerin | #flood drives me unsane |
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| 02:47.19 | Jids | Phated, xam: <no repetition of above statement> |
| 02:47.22 | Phated | xam: <repetition of above statement with violent connotations> |
| 02:47.24 | cafuego | So, Ubuntu isn't based on debian at all! |
| 02:47.26 | xam | !win xam |
| 02:47.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, xam! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 02:47.29 | Phated | cafuego: Wha-? |
| 02:47.34 | Jids | brb |
| 02:47.36 | cafuego | Phated: It's based on Morphix. |
| 02:47.39 | dondelelcaro | kitae: ah, yeah... looks like the postinst script has a bug. You'll either have to fix it yourself, or file a bug with severity serious, and wait for the maintainer to fix it. |
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| 02:47.50 | Phated | WHAT? Not ANOTHER based-on-based-on. |
| 02:47.56 | Guerin | cafuego: the livecd, maybe. |
| 02:48.01 | Phated | Baaaah. |
| 02:48.06 | dondelelcaro | kitae: the postinst script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/twiki.postinst; and the part that's failing is the ln line. |
| 02:48.07 | cafuego | Guerin: The livecd, yes |
| 02:48.14 | dondelelcaro | kitae: you could probably just comment it out and have it work. |
| 02:48.16 | kitae | ok thank you dondelcaro |
| 02:48.21 | Guerin | cafuego: morphix is the sanest of the livecd flavours. |
| 02:48.33 | Phated | Better than Knoppix? |
| 02:48.34 | cafuego | Guerin: Well, it crashes on my new laptop |
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| 02:48.47 | dondelelcaro | kitae: but, again, use reportbug and file a bug against twiki, and include the apt-get output that you showed us. |
| 02:48.50 | sussudio | in soviet russia, laptop crashes on you. |
| 02:49.01 | Guerin | cafuego: hrm, actually, new morphices crash on my old laptop, too - it doesn't like the boot images they use. |
| 02:49.06 | kitae | ok dondel i'll do that first |
| 02:49.28 | Phated | Morphices. I like that. |
| 02:49.52 | sussudio | Mydauses. |
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| 02:50.21 | Phated | Meliceps? |
| 02:50.25 | Phated | Melicepses? |
| 02:50.28 | cire | please, doesn't have anybody a clue what my problem might be? (perl script with correct first line #!/usr/bin/perl, returning always "bad interpreter, file not found, permissions are set correctly, other perl scripts work with same first line, "perl scriptname" also works)? |
| 02:50.34 | cafuego | To be fair, Debian crashes on my new laptop too until I tweak pcmcia/config |
| 02:50.53 | Covener | cire: dos text? (^M) |
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| 02:51.17 | cire | sorry, I do not know what you are trying to tell me... |
| 02:51.30 | cire | ahh, now I got it |
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| 02:51.32 | Covener | cire: open it in vi and make sure there's no unprintable/whatever characters at the end of the first line |
| 02:51.36 | raa1 | can anyone suggest a wifi card that works with debian? I have tried several from circuitcity and officemax but nothing worked w/ ndiswrapper. I am ready to spend upto 40 bucks |
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| 02:51.42 | Jids | ApEtc: the .iso is somewhat bigger than a cd can hold... it seems to be 189984KB... |
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| 02:51.52 | Phated | No.... |
| 02:51.59 | Phated | That's what, 189 megs? |
| 02:52.00 | ApEtc | Jids: 190MB? |
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| 02:52.07 | Phated | OK rounded off. |
| 02:52.12 | Jids | [ ] woody-i386-1.iso 20-Sep-2002 18:57 186M |
| 02:52.13 | xam | raa1: what do you want? 802.11b, g or a? |
| 02:52.23 | Jids | isn't that a bit too big for a cd? |
| 02:52.23 | jetscreamer | g |
| 02:52.26 | Phated | Jids: Yes, and a CD can hold 700 megs...? |
| 02:52.29 | cafuego | buffer I/O error, dev hda1, sector 103814 |
| 02:52.37 | Jids | oh... right... lol |
| 02:52.40 | xam | jetscreamer: n |
| 02:52.40 | jetscreamer | go with g given a choice |
| 02:52.42 | Phated | 700-186=a positive number. :) |
| 02:52.43 | Jids | for some reason, i thought it was 170MB |
| 02:52.47 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 02:52.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 02:52.52 | ApEtc | Jids: Maybe 170MB on those pocket CDs |
| 02:52.53 | jfa_ | raa1: www.prism54.org |
| 02:52.54 | raa1 | xam: 802.11g w/ 802.11b compatible is _Ideal_ otherwise just 802.11b is fine |
| 02:53.01 | Jids | yeah... the mini-disks lol |
| 02:53.03 | croddy | ~fix juds |
| 02:53.06 | Jids | -fix? |
| 02:53.16 | scarynetworkguy | raa1: go google on wifi tux the first hit will take you to a hcl. |
| 02:53.16 | jetscreamer | !fix Jids |
| 02:53.20 | xiq | i've had good luck with clearly nonstandard "super g" cards, because they end up being atheros cards supported by madwifi |
| 02:53.24 | Jids | ? |
| 02:53.28 | croddy | where is apt, eh? |
| 02:53.30 | Jids | o_o |
| 02:53.42 | cafuego | Last I heard madwifi sucked ass quite badly. |
| 02:53.43 | Phated | It's there, but you were using the wrong sign. |
| 02:53.47 | jetscreamer | debian-es for one cahn |
| 02:53.48 | croddy | :-( |
| 02:53.49 | jetscreamer | chan |
| 02:53.54 | Phated | @fix :) |
| 02:53.58 | Phated | See? |
| 02:54.02 | Phated | Oh wait a minute. |
| 02:54.02 | Jids | well, i have to go... thanks guys, for your help :P |
| 02:54.04 | Phated | BAH. |
| 02:54.06 | xam | raa1: for b I recommend one with a prism2/2.5/3 chipset (eg. Netgear MA-311), for g I recommend prism54 (see www.prism54.org for supported cards) |
| 02:54.09 | Phated | I hate all the bots. |
| 02:54.09 | jetscreamer | no he was there, not anymore |
| 02:54.23 | xiq | not sure what sucks ass about it working... |
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| 02:54.27 | Phated | We need a timeout factoid. :) |
| 02:54.27 | Jids | croddy: you don't have to be sad just because i'm leaving... |
| 02:54.27 | cafuego | For b I recommend an Enterasys card. |
| 02:54.32 | dondelelcaro | Phated: that bad, eh? |
| 02:54.33 | ElNooboStupido | what is an easy to use dns server? |
| 02:54.37 | xam | raa1: the drivers for both chipsets (prism2 and prism54) are in the latest 2.6 kernels |
| 02:54.39 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Heh. |
| 02:54.43 | jetscreamer | your_isp's |
| 02:55.02 | sussudio | ElNooboStupido: FOAD |
| 02:55.13 | jetscreamer | !foad |
| 02:55.13 | dpkg | it has been said that foad is "fuck off and die". Considered by many to be impolite. |
| 02:55.16 | cafuego | ElNooboStupido: dns servers are hard to set up sop that people who really shouldn't won't. |
| 02:55.21 | Jids | oh... one more question... which download manager would you guys recommend for windows?... if any of you actually use windows... lol |
| 02:55.31 | jetscreamer | wget |
| 02:55.33 | sussudio | ElNooboStupido = MrPoopyPants |
| 02:55.35 | jetscreamer | wget for windows |
| 02:55.38 | Phated | Jids: There was something called freshdownload. |
| 02:55.43 | Phated | sussudio: Ah. |
| 02:55.53 | Jids | Phated: yeah... i use getright though... |
| 02:55.55 | cafuego | Jids: firefox cna do resumes |
| 02:55.57 | Phated | Eew. |
| 02:55.59 | Guerin | sussudio: that explains a lot. |
| 02:56.00 | cire | Covener: I completely removed the first line and rewrote it -> no change |
| 02:56.03 | scarynetworkguy | Eewwwwwwwwwww |
| 02:56.03 | Jids | jetscreamer: where would i get that from? sourceforge? |
| 02:56.09 | Phated | Anyways Ff's rules. 'nuff said. |
| 02:56.14 | ElNooboStupido | Yes I am MrPoopyPants AND Major poopypants |
| 02:56.23 | Jids | cafuego: i prefer mozilla lol |
| 02:56.29 | jetscreamer | jids, probably, i forget exactly where i got it, wget.org or whereever |
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| 02:56.36 | Jids | alright |
| 02:56.38 | ElNooboStupido | ElNooboStupido is my registered nick, I use it when I have to ask a q in #fedora |
| 02:56.42 | Jids | thanks guys :P |
| 02:56.45 | rich_ | Jids You don't need it. The debian installation program downloads everything you need. |
| 02:56.46 | Jids | cya |
| 02:56.55 | jetscreamer | for windows... |
| 02:57.07 | Jids | not for debian |
| 02:57.38 | rich_ | It doesnt matter. The debian installation disks don't care if you had windows |
| 02:58.09 | Phated | rich_: Dude, he's trying to download the disks... :/ |
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| 02:58.25 | ElNooboStupido | tech.msn.com |
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| 02:58.39 | raa1 | cool..xam, scarynetworkguy,jfa_ thanks for your quick response |
| 02:58.52 | scarynetworkguy | sure |
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| 02:59.01 | V2 | a |
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| 02:59.06 | cafuego | b |
| 02:59.29 | indigo | could someone tell me if there is a way to choose between "open" or "shared" WEP? |
| 02:59.43 | raa1 | xam: are all netgear MA-311 versions compatible w/ linux? |
| 02:59.53 | cafuego | indigo: open is no wep, shared is when you both know and sue the same key. |
| 02:59.53 | xam | raa1: afaik yes |
| 03:00.02 | FieldySnuts | i had one, waste of time. i never figured it out. |
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| 03:00.35 | guestish | anyone know of a rescue type disk that can fit on a usb stick and has chntpw? |
| 03:00.39 | sussudio | !sue cafuego |
| 03:00.43 | indigo | cafuego: hum...maybe i don't know what i'm talking about then :P |
| 03:00.45 | guestish | like knoppix or something else like that |
| 03:00.49 | FieldySnuts | argh |
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| 03:00.54 | FieldySnuts | @lart guestish |
| 03:00.58 | guestish | ? |
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| 03:01.02 | sussudio | chnptw? |
| 03:01.12 | guestish | resets windows passwords |
| 03:01.16 | Guerin | !info perl woody |
| 03:01.19 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language.), section interpreters, is standard. Version: 5.6.1-8.7 (woody), Packaged size: 1132 kB, Installed size: 4236 kB |
| 03:01.21 | cafuego | sussudio: CHange NT PassWord |
| 03:01.24 | guestish | !info chntpw |
| 03:01.26 | dpkg | chntpw: (NT SAM password recovery utility), section non-free/admin, is optional. Version: 0.99.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 86 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 03:01.27 | xam | raa1: other manufacturers often sell cards with the same name, but with different revisions and chipsets. Eg. a DLink DWL-650 (first generation) is a PCMCIA Prism2 card, but latter revisions have different chipsets |
| 03:01.37 | jetscreamer | !info internet explorer |
| 03:01.41 | cafuego | guestish: clearly not a #debian question <heh> |
| 03:01.41 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:01.41 | indigo | cafuego: in windows it's called "network auth (shared mode)"...i'm looking for the same setting in linux |
| 03:01.46 | guestish | cafuego: ;) |
| 03:01.49 | sussudio | :-| |
| 03:02.03 | guestish | cafuego: well it is kind of, im asking for a version of debian that can fit on a usb stick :) |
| 03:02.03 | cafuego | indigo: Yes, you share a wep key if wep is enabled. it's the default. |
| 03:02.04 | cire | Covener: got it working. I opened it in Kedit, saved it, and finally run it. (same procedure with vim didn't work) |
| 03:02.10 | cire | thanks so far! |
| 03:02.34 | cafuego | indigo: See 'iwconfig ethX key s:MYKEY' |
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| 03:03.26 | sussudio | tifusweer |
| 03:03.38 | FieldySnuts | hi sussudio |
| 03:03.50 | FrdFlint | does anyone here use vmware? |
| 03:03.51 | cafuego | guestish: any rescue cd with an floppy containing chntpw? |
| 03:03.54 | FieldySnuts | oh hell no. |
| 03:04.03 | guestish | cafuego: heh, i found one :) http://featherlinux.berlios.de/applications.htm |
| 03:04.07 | Phated | You OK there, FieldySnuts? |
| 03:04.12 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: "Een neerslaggebied met regen en natte sneeuw trekt naar het zuiden weg en later klaart het wat op.Het koelt af tot iets boven het vriespunt." |
| 03:04.14 | dondelelcaro | guestish: on a larger stick, you can jam Debian in... |
| 03:04.15 | FieldySnuts | Phated: bit pissy, you? |
| 03:04.16 | indigo | cafuego: well, i entered the key, only as a 10 digit hex number. Is that significant? |
| 03:04.25 | guestish | dondelelcaro: well mine is only 256 megs |
| 03:04.31 | dondelelcaro | guestish: yeah, that's pushing it a bit... |
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| 03:04.39 | dondelelcaro | guestish: but with good management, you could make it work. |
| 03:04.42 | FieldySnuts | maybe with a cloop filesystem? |
| 03:04.45 | guestish | dondelelcaro: what do you mean? |
| 03:04.51 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ah, I'm cool, chill, girl. :) |
| 03:05.10 | FieldySnuts | maybe |
| 03:05.10 | cafuego | guestish: Or a netinst d-i iso on a usb drive with syslinux and chntpw, just mount the stick after booting |
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| 03:05.28 | dondelelcaro | guestish: use of locale purge, ditching uneccessary .debs, not even having dpkg installed, that sort of thing. |
| 03:05.34 | sussudio | Phated: "Van het noorden uit gaan winterse buien vallen en daarbij kan het ook onweren. Tevens zijn zware windstoten mogelijk, vooral aan zee.Met 6 of 7 graden als maximum is het overdag guur te noemen. |
| 03:05.37 | cafuego | guestish: Check the d-i page for a link to a usb key version + setup info |
| 03:05.42 | guestish | cafuego: alright |
| 03:05.45 | sussudio | mushroom, snake. |
| 03:05.50 | rich_ | Phated sorry. I hope he figures it out. |
| 03:05.59 | cafuego | guestish: I did a boot+install off a usb mp3 player once :-) |
| 03:06.05 | guestish | cafuego: sweet... |
| 03:06.14 | xam | sussudio: stop the weather forecast |
| 03:06.14 | cafuego | it's the only listed on that page actually |
| 03:06.21 | cafuego | s/only/one |
| 03:06.26 | guestish | cafuego: got a loink? |
| 03:06.27 | Phated | rich_: Heh. |
| 03:06.30 | guestish | cafuego: er, link? |
| 03:06.32 | FieldySnuts | loink! |
| 03:06.33 | Phated | sussudio: Wha...? |
| 03:06.38 | sussudio | xam: "Aan zee waait het hard of stormachtig uit het noordwesten tot noorden,7-8.In het binnenland waait het meest vrij krachtig,5 Bft.Later neemt de wind af." |
| 03:06.39 | FieldySnuts | sounds like an old bat man show sound |
| 03:06.41 | cafuego | sussudio: Lekker kutweer. Snert op zaterday? |
| 03:06.45 | FieldySnuts | pow! blam! loink! |
| 03:06.51 | sussudio | cafuego: denkhetwelja. |
| 03:06.52 | Phated | loink? |
| 03:07.01 | Phated | That is a -good- word. :) |
| 03:07.03 | cafuego | guestish: moment... |
| 03:07.09 | guestish | cafuego: k |
| 03:07.31 | xam | sussudio: yeah, it was stormy earlier on here (Ireland) aswell, but now it's fine |
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| 03:08.06 | sussudio | !ireland |
| 03:08.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ireland is .IE or Kathy. Rain & Beer |
| 03:08.12 | rich_ | I've seen scrabble on espn, and I no longer speculate about whether a word is proper or not. When I was a kid we had "new math". Kids today have new spelling. |
| 03:08.15 | cafuego | guestish: http://d-i.pascal.at/ (Mine is the Gigabyte GA-7VAXP mainboard, 128 MB HP USB-MP3 key plugged into hub of Happy Hacker USB keyboard) |
| 03:08.24 | Phated | ESPN has -scrabble-? |
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| 03:08.39 | dondelelcaro | what, is that on ESPN20 or somethign? |
| 03:08.45 | rich_ | Phated Yes, and I think they make the words up |
| 03:08.50 | Phated | Hah. |
| 03:08.52 | cafuego | Before or afetr the Poker? |
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| 03:08.57 | Phated | I was getting worried for a moment there. |
| 03:09.02 | rich_ | They use foriegn words and other things that arent in common scrabble |
| 03:09.02 | Phated | cafuego: They do have snooker. |
| 03:09.04 | kremlyn | Does anyone know what the difference betwen GPL v1 and GPL v2 is? |
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| 03:09.20 | cafuego | Phated: Well, snooker (as opposed to poker or scrabble) is ana ctual sport |
| 03:09.25 | irssi | kremlyn: google.com and search about is not so hard is it? |
| 03:09.30 | cafuego | kremlyn: downlaod both, run 'diff' |
| 03:09.31 | rich_ | They use proper nouns too |
| 03:09.33 | Phated | cafuego: Sport? *snort, giggle, muffle* |
| 03:09.34 | kitae | thanks for the help with twiki, i've managed to get my upgrade to work, and i submitted a bug report, with some suggestions for fixing the problem! :) later guys |
| 03:09.35 | irssi | *about it |
| 03:09.47 | guestish | cafuego: how big is it? |
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| 03:09.59 | cafuego | Phated: perhaps not a very interesting one, but certainly a sport :-) |
| 03:10.03 | zaplutus | anyone have nvidia drivers working in 64 bit debian? |
| 03:10.05 | kremlyn | irssi: I've been doing that for 20 minutes, smart ass :-) |
| 03:10.08 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: yeah and so is bowling. |
| 03:10.09 | cafuego | guestish: Roundabout 100MB I think |
| 03:10.19 | irssi | kremlyn: let me find a site smart, ass |
| 03:10.21 | scarynetworkguy | both are *fun* but neither is a sport. |
| 03:10.23 | guestish | cafuego: not badb |
| 03:10.25 | xam | kremlyn: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/info/GPLv1.html |
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| 03:10.30 | guestish | cafuego: there a list of installed programs somewhere? |
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| 03:10.44 | cafuego | guestish: It's a normal d-i installer |
| 03:10.46 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: eh? |
| 03:10.47 | Albright | How can I re-run the installer/configuration program? |
| 03:10.48 | Phated | cafuego: See above. :) |
| 03:10.50 | guestish | cafuego: ohh, ok |
| 03:10.56 | guestish | cafuego: this isnt for installing, its for rescue |
| 03:10.58 | kremlyn | xam: Awesome! |
| 03:11.02 | kremlyn | xam: Thanks :-) |
| 03:11.02 | cafuego | guestish: just the netinst iso + syslinux to load it |
| 03:11.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You don't know curling? |
| 03:11.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Nope. |
| 03:11.10 | guestish | cafuego: though believe me, i would like to install it on these comps... |
| 03:11.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Tsk. |
| 03:11.17 | cafuego | guestish: boot installer - alt-F2; mount stick; run chntpw |
| 03:11.29 | guestish | cafuego: its on there? |
| 03:11.35 | Phated | It's a Canadian thing, I believe. You basically skate around polishing ice. :) |
| 03:11.40 | xam | kremlyn: next time google it yourself: "gpl version 1 2 difference" |
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| 03:11.46 | cafuego | guestish: it will be if you pop it on the stick before you boot, eh? |
| 03:11.54 | guestish | cafuego: heh |
| 03:12.05 | guestish | cafuego: good point :) |
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| 03:12.18 | cafuego | the protitution rests |
| 03:12.22 | indigo | cafuego: ah hah...you were right, thanks :) |
| 03:12.35 | cafuego | !right |
| 03:12.35 | dpkg | right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says. |
| 03:12.38 | zaplutus | does any of the 64 bit java work? |
| 03:12.43 | indigo | cafuego: the trick seems to be setting the key to 'restricted' and then doing iwconfig eth1 essid BLEH |
| 03:12.50 | RainbowW | is there a way to figure out specific cpu info? i.e., model, speed, stepping? i've got a dual-cpu capable machine and want to pick up a cpu matching the current one |
| 03:12.57 | cafuego | indigo: restricted? On your AP? |
| 03:13.04 | pipeline | RainbowW: What kind of CPU is it? |
| 03:13.06 | guestish | cafuego: can i use grub to boot it or should i set the bios to boot off the stick? |
| 03:13.10 | Phated | RainbowW: cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 03:13.13 | zaplutus | RainbowW, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 03:13.23 | RainbowW | thx. pipeline it's a p3 500. |
| 03:13.24 | indigo | cafuego: iwconfig eth1 restricted on the client |
| 03:13.24 | MaxeyPad | I'd like to install debian onto a raid 1 mirror array (3ware escalade) what installer cds will support that best? |
| 03:13.30 | cafuego | guestish: use the bios to boot off the stick; through with syslinux perhaps grub can do it. I'd just for for the former. |
| 03:13.33 | indigo | cafuego: iwconfig eth1 key restricted, that is |
| 03:13.38 | guestish | cafuego: mmk |
| 03:13.42 | cafuego | indigo: Odd. |
| 03:13.44 | pipeline | RainbowW: Heh, good luck. It would be easier to buy a matched pair off ebay. And they won't be cheap. |
| 03:13.46 | zaplutus | anyone running 64 bit debian? |
| 03:13.52 | cafuego | zaplutus: yep |
| 03:14.00 | pipeline | RainbowW: Slot P3's don't have the stepping clearly marked. You have to take off the plastic casing and shit. |
| 03:14.02 | RainbowW | pipeline: they're $20 each including shipping. bfd. |
| 03:14.04 | zaplutus | cafuego, you have an nvidia card or java working? |
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| 03:14.12 | cafuego | zaplutus: No and no. |
| 03:14.16 | zaplutus | hmm |
| 03:14.24 | xam | zaplutus: what do you mean with 64bit debian? |
| 03:14.37 | cafuego | xam: Sid pure64 I expect |
| 03:14.38 | xiq | i've heard there is some perl script floating around to work out the right hex key for a given "passphrase" used on an apple airport? does anyone know where to find it? |
| 03:14.40 | zaplutus | xam, AMD64 port of debian |
| 03:15.01 | cafuego | xiq: google |
| 03:15.08 | xam | zaplutus: why don't you just say so then ;) ... well, I don't ... |
| 03:15.15 | zaplutus | heh |
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| 03:15.36 | xam | cafuego: I'm running 64bit debian here, but not AMD64 |
| 03:15.37 | zaplutus | xam, all six java packages in apt won't install |
| 03:15.52 | xiq | cafuego: doing that, only finding vague references to it's existence |
| 03:15.55 | cafuego | xam: Filthy sparc user? |
| 03:15.58 | xam | zaplutus: well, I can't help you there ... sorry |
| 03:16.26 | cafuego | http://xwepgen.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:16.28 | xam | cafugeo: haha. Well, yes, but not ultrasparc. My 64bit debian I'm refering to is Alpha |
| 03:16.33 | cafuego | xiq: try a google tutorial |
| 03:16.50 | |QuaD| | is there a nice ms access database editor? |
| 03:16.58 | dondelelcaro | |QuaD|: uh, no. |
| 03:17.05 | guestish | i wish this computer had usb 2.0... |
| 03:17.13 | |QuaD| | damn |
| 03:17.14 | dondelelcaro | |QuaD|: why in $DEITY's name would you even want to edit such a thing? |
| 03:17.24 | xam | cafuego: I have a SS20 with dual hypersparc 170MHz, and a couple of HP PA-RISCs and a SGI O2 aswell ... amongst other stuff |
| 03:17.28 | |QuaD| | heh... i have a class on .net technologies |
| 03:17.35 | dondelelcaro | |QuaD|: export the information to an SQL file, and deal with it in a real database. |
| 03:17.37 | |QuaD| | and we have to use access for an asp.net application |
| 03:17.40 | |QuaD| | haha |
| 03:17.41 | guestish | xam: collector |
| 03:17.45 | cafuego | xam: and all those together are just a wee bit slower then my athlon64 ;-) |
| 03:17.47 | xam | guestish: yeah |
| 03:17.52 | xiq | cafuego: you could also just shut up if you don't have any useful info |
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| 03:18.00 | cafuego | |QuaD|: So buy Access and run it on a W2K3 server |
| 03:18.13 | |QuaD| | i have both of those free on the msdaa |
| 03:18.17 | cafuego | xiq: I just pasted a url. Do pay attention please. |
| 03:18.17 | rich_ | xiq everyones a critic |
| 03:18.23 | |QuaD| | but i don't want to partition |
| 03:18.37 | xam | cafuego: I mostly use the HPs and the Alpha besides ix86, mostly for software development ... many arch make your code cleaner |
| 03:18.41 | dondelelcaro | xiq: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/copying-1.0.html |
| 03:18.56 | dondelelcaro | oh, nevermind. |
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| 03:20.50 | jetscreamer | msde is free |
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| 03:21.02 | FrdFlint | Quad have you tried it with vmware? |
| 03:21.13 | xam | getscreamer: malaria is also 'free', but I don't want it |
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| 03:21.30 | guestish | hum... |
| 03:21.30 | gaasfet | zaplutus: you got amd64 and need java? |
| 03:21.44 | jetscreamer | [21.01.41] <dpkg> Package 'internet explorer' does not exist. |
| 03:21.44 | chealer | how do I start using libapache-gallery-perl ? |
| 03:21.47 | zaplutus | gaasfet, well, i can download it from sun, but it would be nice to use apt |
| 03:21.55 | |QuaD| | FrdFlint: yeah.... i prefer to stay in linux if possible... its no biggy,i can go to the labs this w/e |
| 03:22.32 | gaasfet | zaplutus: apt gave me buggy java, but blackdown .bin was working A Ok. |
| 03:22.33 | FrdFlint | i just set up vmware and installed xp on debian seems to work ok, might do it for you |
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| 03:22.45 | sussudio | xam: "Aardappelen voor stamppot kruimig tot vastkokend zak 10 kilo 0.99" |
| 03:22.46 | zaplutus | gaasfet, which version? |
| 03:22.52 | zaplutus | gaasfet, sun's 1.5 is really nice |
| 03:22.56 | gaasfet | zaplutus: ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/JDK-1.4.2/amd64/rc1/ |
| 03:23.09 | |QuaD| | FrdFlint: yeah... its slow though |
| 03:23.10 | xam | sussudio: thanks, but I already ate potatoes |
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| 03:23.12 | |QuaD| | i used to |
| 03:23.17 | MadHunter | Good evening! |
| 03:23.20 | Xenguy | Anyone - I am really curious now as to why I can get better refresh in X3 than in X4 with the same vid card -- is anyone familiar with editing /etc/X11/XFConfig-4 to force a particular refresh rate? |
| 03:23.25 | sussudio | xam: guess what potatoes would do to you in soviet russia. |
| 03:23.28 | FrdFlint | it is slow |
| 03:23.28 | FieldySnuts | @samir |
| 03:23.30 | xam | sussudio: but its rather cheap ... I guess shipping is expensive |
| 03:23.33 | FieldySnuts | ;x |
| 03:23.34 | zaplutus | gaasfet, alright, thanks |
| 03:23.41 | FrdFlint | but faster than i thought it'd be |
| 03:23.42 | sussudio | ~samir |
| 03:23.43 | apt | Yes, I am also not a pussy. |
| 03:23.47 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:23.48 | beth | hey, it's a FieldySnuts |
| 03:23.55 | FieldySnuts | beth!@# long time |
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| 03:24.06 | MadHunter | I have GRUB installed with Sarge currently... If I want to switch to Lilo, can I simply apt-get lilo? |
| 03:24.10 | sussudio | xam: 10 cents a kilo.... |
| 03:24.15 | |QuaD| | FrdFlint: I used to run that... i am just suprised OOO doesn't have an acess type program |
| 03:24.21 | xam | sussudio: anyway, what is it about you and talking in strange tounges? |
| 03:24.32 | FieldySnuts | just those damn dutch |
| 03:24.35 | sussudio | strange? |
| 03:24.57 | xam | sussudio: guess what a kilo costs in eire .... |
| 03:25.05 | xam | sussudio ;) |
| 03:25.05 | guestish | cafuego: all installed, wish me luck :) |
| 03:25.07 | sussudio | xam: 20 cents? |
| 03:25.08 | FrdFlint | hell there seems to be about everything else, likely one day.. |
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| 03:25.31 | FieldySnuts | @annoy sussudio |
| 03:25.32 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
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| 03:25.47 | chealer | is there a package to format a directory of images for the web? |
| 03:25.47 | |QuaD| | FrdFlint: yeah |
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| 03:25.49 | guestish | wtf |
| 03:25.55 | chealer | except gallery maybe |
| 03:25.55 | guestish | @lart ravenbird |
| 03:26.00 | guestish | lol |
| 03:26.02 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 03:26.02 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:26.05 | FieldySnuts | owned |
| 03:26.09 | Phated | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.11 | ravenbird | Phated: bugger all, i dunno |
| 03:26.26 | zaplutus | how can i see what version a package is? |
| 03:26.27 | sussudio | xam: broc muisiriun nathair. |
| 03:26.33 | scarynetworkguy | @botsnack |
| 03:26.33 | ravenbird | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 03:26.42 | zignig | zaplutus: dpkg -l <package_name> |
| 03:26.51 | zaplutus | zignig, thanks |
| 03:27.00 | zaplutus | zignig, its a little different from gentoo :) |
| 03:27.03 | xam | sussudio: if you go to a supermarket ... if I'd buy it in the small shop around the corner, it would be more expensive |
| 03:27.06 | Jids | Anyone here live in toronto? |
| 03:27.22 | FieldySnuts | not willingly |
| 03:27.38 | Jids | Lol... where in toronto? |
| 03:27.48 | Phated | FieldySnuts is a canook? |
| 03:27.54 | FieldySnuts | never said i was in toronto ;) |
| 03:27.58 | Jids | Ah |
| 03:28.00 | Jids | True |
| 03:28.11 | xam | !badgers |
| 03:28.11 | dpkg | Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Badgers, Mushroom, Mushroom, Snake !! |
| 03:28.19 | Phated | !badger |
| 03:28.20 | staniel | Jids: why, you looking for someone to help you? |
| 03:28.23 | FieldySnuts | @confuse xam |
| 03:28.25 | ravenbird | no them is our pineapple yesterday ? |
| 03:28.26 | Phated | Ah, oh well. |
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| 03:28.41 | Jids | staniel: no... just seeing who here lives in toronto lol |
| 03:28.43 | Phated | dpkg's !confuse is more sophisticated. |
| 03:28.46 | FieldySnuts | heh dpkg and apt's confuse is btter |
| 03:28.48 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 03:28.54 | Jids | but if i Can find someone to help, it might be helpful |
| 03:28.56 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:28.56 | guestish | http://www.dvd-rwmedia.com/transcend-4gb-usb-20-flash-drive.html <--- *drool* |
| 03:29.03 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Sucks to be on the blacklist, no? :D |
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| 03:29.07 | FieldySnuts | hehe I have a 1GB 2.0 usb one |
| 03:29.12 | xiq | cafuego: xwepgen is pretty much the opposite of what i am looking for, but it's a good lead, thanks. i'd also like to thank you for being such a dick about answering my question. |
| 03:29.16 | guestish | FieldySnuts: very nice |
| 03:29.16 | z36ra | we'll have to kick some people out if this channel gets any busier. |
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| 03:29.18 | FieldySnuts | free too, work bought it |
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| 03:29.35 | Phated | z36ra: Bull, it's busier in here most of the time. |
| 03:29.37 | xam | z36ra: do you volunteer? |
| 03:29.49 | beth | z36ra just volunteered to leave! |
| 03:29.49 | Phated | xam: (slow reader) |
| 03:29.56 | Phated | beth: You do the honours! :) |
| 03:29.57 | FieldySnuts | hehe beth |
| 03:29.58 | z36ra | noooo! dont kick me. Ive been there. |
| 03:30.00 | guestish | heh |
| 03:30.07 | guestish | im sure there is some catch :) |
| 03:30.08 | Phated | Yeah, which is why you're best suited for the job. |
| 03:30.12 | xam | Phated: (slow writer) |
| 03:30.16 | Phated | xam: Heh. |
| 03:30.19 | z36ra | had to change my IP to get back in |
| 03:30.24 | Jids | Phated: this is super slow... 26.3kb/second... |
| 03:30.25 | Phated | Pah. |
| 03:30.30 | z36ra | I love Debian |
| 03:30.30 | FieldySnuts | ban evasion? nice freenode policy violation |
| 03:30.36 | Phated | Jids: Pull the library plug... |
| 03:30.42 | Jids | I'm at home right now |
| 03:30.47 | alindeman | FieldySnuts: Oh? |
| 03:30.55 | Phated | Jids: Pull the rest of the block's plug... |
| 03:30.57 | Jids | Phated: I'm in toronto... its 10:30 PM here right now |
| 03:30.57 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: just going by what z36ra said ;) |
| 03:31.02 | Jids | LOL |
| 03:31.03 | Phated | alindeman: what z36ra said. :) |
| 03:31.13 | Phated | Jids: Wait till 4 AM, I get -great- speeds. |
| 03:31.16 | alindeman | Oh, hehe |
| 03:31.19 | Jids | Phated: well, if i do that... i'll probably lose power too |
| 03:31.29 | Phated | Jids: Pah. |
| 03:31.34 | Jids | heh... i go to sleep too late... i can never wake up early enough |
| 03:31.37 | Phated | Sweet. |
| 03:31.40 | Phated | Go debian go. |
| 03:31.43 | z36ra | hehe... HAWW! |
| 03:31.50 | guestish | o_O |
| 03:31.58 | Phated | O_O |
| 03:32.08 | Jids | 0_0 |
| 03:32.11 | scarynetworkguy | Jids: pouser |
| 03:32.16 | xam | O_0 |
| 03:32.22 | Phated | xam: BORG! |
| 03:32.23 | chealer | Jids: sounds familiar |
| 03:32.27 | Jids | scarynetworkguy: pouser? |
| 03:32.28 | z36ra | I hope that was a "guy" that rejected my proposal! |
| 03:32.36 | Jids | chealer: what does? |
| 03:32.40 | Phated | z36ra: No, it was the distro, duh. |
| 03:32.48 | chealer | Jids: your problem |
| 03:33.03 | Jids | chealer: ah... yep |
| 03:33.09 | Phated | chealer: Way to confuse him. Keep going and his brain will blow out. |
| 03:33.10 | FieldySnuts | eh last time i got proposed to i said no |
| 03:33.12 | FieldySnuts | (mean) |
| 03:33.13 | z36ra | phated: if it was a distro then it was a woman. |
| 03:33.28 | FieldySnuts | um |
| 03:33.31 | Phated | z36ra: So you can't get either a woman OR a distro OR a man. Dude, you suck. |
| 03:33.33 | sussudio | ~samir |
| 03:33.34 | apt | Back up in your ass with the resurrection! |
| 03:33.35 | debian | FieldySnuts: good for him. :) |
| 03:33.36 | FieldySnuts | hahaha |
| 03:33.37 | xam | Phated ;) |
| 03:33.42 | Phated | xam: :) |
| 03:34.09 | z36ra | Phated: Like a car, we say "she" runs smooth. |
| 03:34.11 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You rejected a proposal just to be mean? You are -good-. |
| 03:34.23 | FieldySnuts | fah after 2 months? come on |
| 03:34.25 | Phated | z36ra: Riiight... So now even inanimate objects don't want you. |
| 03:34.29 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ah, too soon. |
| 03:34.34 | Piggy | damn it feels good to be a gangster. |
| 03:34.37 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 03:34.37 | Phated | !tell Jids about away |
| 03:34.37 | sussudio | !tell Jids about away |
| 03:34.41 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Jids about away |
| 03:34.45 | Phated | !win me |
| 03:34.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, phated! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:34.49 | Phated | Not bad. |
| 03:34.56 | chealer | LOL |
| 03:34.57 | Phated | Better than the AOL CD collection. |
| 03:35.00 | FieldySnuts | west side? |
| 03:35.02 | rich_ | ain't life grand? |
| 03:35.02 | Jids | ah... sorry |
| 03:35.07 | Phated | ... I spend too much time here, don't I... |
| 03:35.11 | Piggy | wesside. |
| 03:35.18 | FieldySnuts | i'm in the hay-oh-way-ouse!! |
| 03:35.22 | FieldySnuts | stop it , making me silly |
| 03:35.41 | Phated | FieldySnuts: You were IN the hay-oh-way-ouse a long time ago. Namely, the nuthay-oh-way-ouse. |
| 03:35.46 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 03:35.47 | z36ra | Phated: she may not want me but I want her. And when "she" runs smooth, everything else doesnt matter. |
| 03:35.58 | Phated | z36ra: Statutory rape. |
| 03:36.00 | FieldySnuts | uh, too much info |
| 03:36.12 | Phated | It was two words! |
| 03:36.18 | Phated | ;) |
| 03:36.19 | FieldySnuts | it's not rape if... n/m |
| 03:36.22 | sussudio | in soviet russia, statues rape you. |
| 03:36.23 | FieldySnuts | ok time to shut up |
| 03:36.28 | Phated | She can't say no, yes, we know. |
| 03:36.32 | Phated | But she -did- say no! |
| 03:36.40 | FieldySnuts | LOL |
| 03:36.43 | z36ra | hehe |
| 03:36.43 | Phated | sussudio: Ew. |
| 03:36.54 | FieldySnuts | can't r*pe the willing? |
| 03:36.58 | debian | FieldySnuts: @>--,--`----- |
| 03:36.59 | sussudio | Phated: BAD STALIN! |
| 03:37.00 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yeah, if you /lastlog debian, you will see where she -very- clearly said no. |
| 03:37.01 | FieldySnuts | grr |
| 03:37.05 | Phated | sussudio: eeeeeeew. |
| 03:37.09 | Phated | FieldySnuts: KILL, KILL! |
| 03:37.12 | FieldySnuts | why is a lady giving me a flower hehe |
| 03:37.15 | FieldySnuts | thanks though |
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| 03:37.23 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Maybe she didn't know you were a girl. |
| 03:37.23 | z36ra | thats funny... well a little... see? I can laugh at myself. Im pretty confedent about my manhood. |
| 03:37.27 | FieldySnuts | doh |
| 03:37.31 | debian | doh |
| 03:37.34 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 03:37.37 | Phated | HAH |
| 03:37.53 | xam | FieldySnuts: well, never mind him, he's talking about his virtual girlfriend 'Lara Croft' |
| 03:38.07 | Phated | Anyone who has to explicitly say they're confident about their manhood... </mutter> |
| 03:38.23 | FieldySnuts | hahahahahahahaha |
| 03:38.25 | sussudio | </vater> |
| 03:38.26 | FieldySnuts | omg |
| 03:38.33 | Phated | Sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 03:38.39 | z36ra | eww, lara croft? shes from UK isnt she? I like Texan women. |
| 03:38.41 | FieldySnuts | oh i'm laughing so hard |
| 03:38.55 | FieldySnuts | @badgersmite SCO |
| 03:38.58 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Chill, girl, but at least you're not pissy. |
| 03:39.00 | FieldySnuts | damn it |
| 03:39.21 | z36ra | besides, too damn skinney. |
| 03:39.22 | Phated | I didn't know Croft was .uk. No wonder perfy likes her. |
| 03:39.34 | FieldySnuts | tig ole fakies |
| 03:39.36 | scarynetworkguy | is z36ra a rich_ clone? |
| 03:39.37 | FieldySnuts | ok that was mean |
| 03:39.47 | Phated | SKINNY? Have you seen those boobs? You don't get there with less than 10% body fat! |
| 03:39.48 | z36ra | huh? |
| 03:39.49 | debian | a clone sux |
| 03:40.03 | xam | scarynetworkguy: can you read minds? I was thinking the same ... |
| 03:40.12 | z36ra | I wish i was rich. I would be able to pay my bills |
| 03:40.17 | sussudio | yeah. body. fat. |
| 03:40.22 | scarynetworkguy | xam: I guess I must be able to. |
| 03:40.39 | Phated | xam: It's the Force. :) |
| 03:40.46 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:40.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *nod* |
| 03:40.52 | Phated | Aaaaa get out of my head! |
| 03:40.55 | xam | Phated: call me Darth Xam |
| 03:40.55 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 03:41.01 | Phated | xam: Peh. |
| 03:41.04 | sussudio | Phated: it's a small world after all. |
| 03:41.16 | FieldySnuts | globes? world? |
| 03:41.17 | Phated | sussudio: You. Absolute. Fucktwit. |
| 03:41.18 | FieldySnuts | ok ok i'm done |
| 03:41.23 | Phated | :P |
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| 03:41.30 | Phated | Damn you, sussudio, damn you. |
| 03:41.40 | z36ra | if I could change my name to Rich, I would have no bills to pay. |
| 03:41.41 | Phated | Oh my god I need to get that out of my head. |
| 03:41.46 | FieldySnuts | too late |
| 03:41.52 | Phated | Ah... |
| 03:41.55 | Phated | It's out now. |
| 03:42.03 | FieldySnuts | dirty girl |
| 03:42.05 | debian | z36ra: You still have to pay to enter this channel. Bill will be sent to you anyway |
| 03:42.09 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hehe. |
| 03:42.15 | Phated | debian: BILL?! |
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| 03:42.22 | FieldySnuts | Bill Itonmycard? |
| 03:42.38 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 03:42.40 | Phated | Nice. |
| 03:42.44 | debian | Yep, haven't you checked your card monthly? |
| 03:42.50 | FieldySnuts | what card? ain't got one |
| 03:42.53 | Phated | debian: I don't -have- a card. |
| 03:42.59 | z36ra | Rich Marcus... lemme give it a try. I'll call my collectors and tell them Bruce doesnt live here. BTW, never paid to get in. |
| 03:43.06 | FieldySnuts | just lots o cash... f*ck credit! |
| 03:43.11 | Phated | Yep. |
| 03:43.18 | debian | Phated: you'll be charged when you apply your first card. We've nation wide record |
| 03:43.23 | FieldySnuts | hell my credit rating is like -400 or something stupid |
| 03:43.26 | MadHunter | Can't get lilo to install properly. Tried through aptget, and when running liloconfig, I try to install lilo to the MBR and it says "Installing MBR on /dev/hda ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable." |
| 03:43.27 | Phated | debian: How about WORLDwide? :) |
| 03:43.34 | FieldySnuts | or whatever is bad |
| 03:43.51 | debian | Phated: we're working on it. When it's done, we'll take care of all those undue payment |
| 03:44.04 | z36ra | <~~~ only pays when given something of VALUE. |
| 03:44.07 | Guerin | ah, #debian talking about sex again |
| 03:44.08 | Phated | debian: Ahh all right then. You know we should like defer the bills to the trolls. |
| 03:44.10 | Guerin | !be Phated |
| 03:44.22 | debian | Guerin: so you emerge from your bed. :) |
| 03:44.26 | Phated | Guerin: Ahem, we were talking credit, also HAHAHAHAHA no JAVABOT! |
| 03:44.45 | debian | Phated: bills twice as much |
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| 03:44.49 | Phated | xam: What's wrong with them that a lasergun array? |
| 03:45.01 | Phated | debian: Meh, we should just make them pay for what Guerin and I spend and stuff. |
| 03:45.08 | xam | Phated: nothing, except I can't read the korean manual |
| 03:45.10 | Phated | xam: s/array/array wouldn't fix/ |
| 03:45.12 | Guerin | !be phated is <reply>(Why are we talking about sex?|Ok, let's talk about sex.|I'm going to bed, it's 4am|Anyone want cookies?|One response. Fuck off and die.) |
| 03:45.12 | MadHunter | Can't get lilo to install properly. Tried through aptget, and when running liloconfig, I try to install lilo to the MBR and it says "Installing MBR on /dev/hda ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable." |
| 03:45.12 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 03:45.22 | Phated | Guerin: You suck. |
| 03:45.23 | Guerin | debian: hell no, I've been up for hours |
| 03:45.27 | debian | !be phated |
| 03:45.27 | dpkg | Why are we talking about sex? |
| 03:45.34 | Phated | But we aren't! |
| 03:45.35 | Guerin | Phated: no, I think you'll find it's YOU who are sucking right now :) |
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| 03:45.44 | Phated | Guerin: Oh ew god ew ew ew. |
| 03:45.47 | FieldySnuts | 'haha |
| 03:45.50 | FieldySnuts | oral? |
| 03:45.52 | FieldySnuts | ok ok ok ok SORRY |
| 03:45.54 | Phated | GROSS! |
| 03:45.59 | xam | hehee |
| 03:46.03 | z36ra | someone help the poor lilo folk. |
| 03:46.08 | Phated | On principle, you understand. |
| 03:46.11 | Phated | z36ra: What about you? |
| 03:46.19 | z36ra | what about me? |
| 03:46.21 | Nigel | my login problem has become even worse |
| 03:46.35 | Phated | What about you help the poor lilo folk instead of bugging us? |
| 03:46.36 | FieldySnuts | anl |
| 03:46.37 | Nigel | i now can't login via SSH |
| 03:46.39 | Guerin | !be phated =~ s/4/11/ |
| 03:46.40 | dpkg | Guerin: i didn't have anything called 'be phated' |
| 03:46.47 | Phated | :) |
| 03:46.51 | Phated | Tsk, Guerin... |
| 03:47.06 | z36ra | I dont have lilo on this stupid windows box. If I had my way my wife would be using debian jr. |
| 03:47.38 | cafuego | Pff. MY wife uses Debian. |
| 03:47.43 | Phated | Guerin: IT's disappeared, and I swear I didn't delete it. |
| 03:47.51 | Phated | cafuego: Nice. |
| 03:47.57 | FieldySnuts | sausage. |
| 03:47.58 | Phated | Woo six hours! |
| 03:47.58 | cafuego | On PPC even |
| 03:47.59 | xam | cafuego: does she still love you? |
| 03:48.03 | z36ra | cafuego: wanna switch? |
| 03:48.05 | MadHunter | How do I remove GRUB properly to get Lilo working? Removing through apt-get didn't do it... liloconfig still says the MBR isn't available. |
| 03:48.07 | cafuego | xam: No, we've been married for too long |
| 03:48.12 | Phated | xam: She eloped with Debian. ;) |
| 03:48.14 | xam | !confure cafuego |
| 03:48.18 | sussudio | Phated: have you ever noticed how hard it is to get the powerpuff girls theme out of your head? |
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| 03:48.25 | xam | -fuse even |
| 03:48.26 | FieldySnuts | configure? |
| 03:48.28 | Phated | sussudio: Nah, never heard it before. |
| 03:48.30 | FieldySnuts | oh |
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| 03:48.31 | Guerin | heh, my mother and my wife both use debian |
| 03:48.39 | sussudio | :-P |
| 03:48.41 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:48.44 | cafuego | Guerin: Do they use DebianPPC though? |
| 03:48.51 | rich_ | My wife wants to use debian. She sits next to me and watches, but she has other hobbies, and doesnt spend much time with computers |
| 03:48.52 | finger | /sbin/tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 2: prio 0 u32 ht 1:3: match ip dst 10.2.0.5 match ip dport 53 0xffff flowid 2:12 |
| 03:48.53 | Guerin | cafuego: they don't have ppc, so no. |
| 03:48.54 | finger | can anybody pls tell me what the hell is wrong there |
| 03:48.55 | Phated | sussudio: I just foiled your ploy didn't I. :) |
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| 03:49.06 | sussudio | Phated: you will hear it one day. |
| 03:49.07 | z36ra | cafuego: If you saw my wife and I saw yours, would you wanna switch? hmmm |
| 03:49.09 | rich_ | ..just wants to browse the web |
| 03:49.10 | Phated | rich_: Next time get off the chair and let her in. |
| 03:49.13 | MadHunter | Can't get lilo to install properly. Tried through aptget, and when running liloconfig, I try to install lilo to the MBR and it says "Installing MBR on /dev/hda ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable." |
| 03:49.14 | finger | the packets are not entering the class if I remove ht 1:3 it works and on eth1 it works with ht 1:3 |
| 03:49.15 | Phated | sussudio: NEVAR! |
| 03:49.34 | cafuego | z36ra: What nationality is your wife? |
| 03:49.42 | MadHunter | Sorry guys, I have to keep asking, for fear that if I don;t get this fixed before shutting down, I won't be able to boot the drive. |
| 03:49.53 | rich_ | Phated She's always right next to me, but we have some people over to help with housework and she is talking to them |
| 03:49.56 | sussudio | Here come the Pizza Cats. They're so bad. They've got more fur than any turtle ever had! |
| 03:50.01 | Phated | rich_: Yeah, OK. |
| 03:50.02 | Guerin | !be Phated |
| 03:50.03 | dpkg | Ok, let's talk about sex. |
| 03:50.07 | Phated | :) |
| 03:50.07 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 03:50.08 | Guerin | ok, working again :) |
| 03:50.12 | Phated | BAH |
| 03:50.18 | FieldySnuts | owned |
| 03:50.23 | z36ra | cafuego: she's of the earthian dumshitian nationality. |
| 03:50.23 | Phated | Nope. |
| 03:50.26 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 03:50.42 | FieldySnuts | @annoy test |
| 03:50.44 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:50.48 | FieldySnuts | hm. oh well |
| 03:50.53 | sussudio | they probably don't show powerpuff girls on teh sg networks because it's too violent |
| 03:51.01 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 03:51.02 | MadHunter | How do I remove GRUB properly to get Lilo working? Removing through apt-get didn't do it... liloconfig still says the MBR isn't available. |
| 03:51.03 | Bugalugs | ravenbird, cos x cant find any screens. |
| 03:51.04 | ravenbird | Bugalugs: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:51.04 | Phated | Nah we get it here I just don't watch it. |
| 03:51.06 | cafuego | sussudio: I'll let you know |
| 03:51.16 | Piggy | I AM MOJO JOJO! |
| 03:51.19 | Nigel | i believe an update package is corrupted |
| 03:51.25 | Phated | cafuego: Only if you get cable and stuff in your hotel. |
| 03:51.25 | Bugalugs | huh? |
| 03:51.26 | Nigel | i dunno what one |
| 03:51.33 | Nigel | but it seems like it's not working |
| 03:51.33 | cafuego | Phated: I will. |
| 03:51.36 | Xenguy | FieldySnuts: that is definitely annoying =) |
| 03:51.38 | z36ra | I hope she didnt see that cause I will be a lot o trouble if she did |
| 03:51.38 | Phated | Bugalugs: It. Is. A. Bot. |
| 03:51.45 | cafuego | Phated: Client pays. business class flights and decent hotels. All good. |
| 03:51.46 | Phated | cafuego: Oh cool, which place? |
| 03:51.53 | Bugalugs | i see |
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| 03:52.06 | cafuego | Phated: Dunno yet, but previously they've been 4+ star affairs |
| 03:52.06 | Bugalugs | i feel so cool now. |
| 03:52.06 | sussudio | cafuego: will you be visiting the sg zoo to see the burmese ferretbadgers? |
| 03:52.10 | Nigel | can someone help me find a bug in a package? |
| 03:52.17 | Loof | I need a recommendation of a web based jukebox... not something that streams... just a song selector |
| 03:52.20 | Phated | Let's see... The good hotels... Raffles? |
| 03:52.22 | Loof | preferably on apt |
| 03:52.23 | Phated | cafuego: Schweet. |
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| 03:52.26 | cafuego | sussudio: I doubt I'll have time for that. |
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| 03:52.33 | Bugalugs | thank fuck for aircon today is a stinker |
| 03:52.37 | Bugalugs | anyone in sydney here? |
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| 03:52.46 | zaplutus | anyone know how you are supposed to compile the nvidia drivers? |
| 03:52.46 | Phated | #debian-social, my good man. |
| 03:52.50 | c01100011 | anyone willing to walk a noobie through installind a usb printer ? |
| 03:52.50 | MadHunter | Can't get lilo to install properly. Tried through aptget, and when running liloconfig, I try to install lilo to the MBR and it says "Installing MBR on /dev/hda ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable." |
| 03:52.54 | Nigel | Phated: i agree |
| 03:52.59 | cafuego | Phated: I excpect the meeting (60+ ppl) will be in a hotel's conference room, so I'll prolly be staying that that hotel. |
| 03:53.02 | sussudio | c01100011: no |
| 03:53.02 | Phated | Wha-? |
| 03:53.10 | z36ra | but I love my wife |
| 03:53.13 | Phated | cafuego: Swanky. |
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| 03:53.17 | cafuego | The hotel in Brazil rocked, so I don't doubt the .sg one will be cool too. |
| 03:53.18 | Phated | Nigel: Eh? |
| 03:53.27 | z36ra | but, "take her" |
| 03:53.31 | cafuego | As long as they serve vodkatinis and blakc russioans I don't much care <heh> |
| 03:53.33 | Nigel | comment about #debian-social |
| 03:53.36 | Phated | cafuego: BAH. |
| 03:53.40 | Phated | Nigel: Righto. |
| 03:53.53 | c01100011 | sussudio_was my blatent asking worth a shot ? |
| 03:53.53 | Nigel | Phated: how can i find out when i updated a package last |
| 03:54.00 | Nigel | (where does APT store it's logs) |
| 03:54.03 | MadHunter | How do I remove GRUB properly to get Lilo working? Removing through apt-get didn't do it... liloconfig still says the MBR isn't available. |
| 03:54.04 | Phated | You learn to keep a notebook. |
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| 03:54.27 | sussudio | c01100011: nope |
| 03:54.32 | cafuego | Nigel: The package |
| 03:54.35 | Phated | Why would anyone want to change bootloaders? Granted, I can see why you'd want lilo... |
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| 03:54.38 | z36ra | nah! Really.. she is so tight... she takes a burned bulb back to walmart. |
| 03:54.42 | Nigel | i suspect that shadow, login, or ssh(not likely) has a biggish bug in it |
| 03:54.44 | cafuego | 's modification time in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:55.02 | Phated | cafuego: Only if he didn't do an apt-get clean recently. |
| 03:55.07 | xam | MadHunter: I don't know what you mean by removing grub completely ... I doubt that grub will reinstall the old MBR. However the correct command to remove a package completely is 'apt-get --purge remove <package>' |
| 03:55.21 | z36ra | shes so tight, she has to loosen MY belt. |
| 03:55.24 | Nigel | is there any other place? |
| 03:55.30 | c01100011 | sussudio_ at least i humored myself, if u got a giggle out of it also it may just have been worth it |
| 03:55.34 | cafuego | Phated: apt-get clean is superfluous with today's large harddrives ;-) |
| 03:55.35 | Nigel | i'd like to know when i installed it |
| 03:55.46 | Nigel | as i normally download with -d |
| 03:55.48 | Phated | cafuego: Is not! I have a small harddrive. :P |
| 03:55.53 | Nigel | and then install later |
| 03:55.53 | MadHunter | apt-get --purge remove grub |
| 03:55.56 | MadHunter | ? |
| 03:56.00 | MadHunter | Lemme try that |
| 03:56.01 | xam | MadHunter: yes |
| 03:56.08 | cafuego | size matters |
| 03:56.19 | Phated | cafuego: PAH. |
| 03:56.20 | xam | cafuego: size of what? |
| 03:56.25 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: yeah keep telling yourself that. |
| 03:56.28 | Nigel | Phated: so is there a way? |
| 03:56.33 | Piggy | /dev/hda1 8072304 4281140 3381108 56% / |
| 03:56.39 | Phated | Yeah yeah you guys can go do the v-penis thing somewhere else yeah? |
| 03:56.44 | Phated | Nigel: Dunno. |
| 03:56.50 | Nigel | dang |
| 03:56.59 | z36ra | my wife is so tight that when she leaves the theater she makes THEM pay to let her out! She can do that cause she's so big. |
| 03:57.10 | xam | MadHunter: it would be advisible to tell us on what hard drive / partition you have installed debian |
| 03:57.19 | Nigel | because i have a very odd problem, i could not orignally login via a console session (physically) but i could via ssh |
| 03:57.26 | debian | z36ra: I think size doesn't matter in this case. :) |
| 03:57.26 | cafuego | xam: size of available drive space |
| 03:57.30 | Nigel | now i got the physical access solved i can't SSH in |
| 03:57.31 | MadHunter | it's on hda1 |
| 03:57.40 | c01100011 | can i change gdm's keyboard layout ? |
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| 03:57.41 | Nigel | and i can't ssh into this computer here |
| 03:57.55 | z36ra | but I love her |
| 03:58.01 | Phated | cafuego: v-penises, there's a difference. :) |
| 03:58.03 | Nigel | (even though it's enabled) |
| 03:58.04 | sussudio | cafuego: the bag of sugar probably has something to do with it |
| 03:58.11 | Phated | I have not had any sugar. |
| 03:58.15 | Phated | I think. |
| 03:58.17 | cafuego | Phated: the v-penis is a subset of the penis, still a penis :-) |
| 03:58.25 | Phated | cafuego: Oh hm, true... |
| 03:58.26 | xam | MadHunter: what debian version (woody | sarge) ? how big are the partitions |
| 03:58.27 | z36ra | I love her so much cause, I can get discounts at the discount theater |
| 03:58.31 | rich_ | I wish I could brag, but I'ts all luck. |
| 03:58.34 | ryan` | Anyone know to get top to display stats for both CPUs on an SMP system? |
| 03:58.58 | rich_ | tying your shoes is skill, finding a gf is luck. |
| 03:59.19 | ryan` | the manpage also says there should be an LC column to show last used CPU, but i don't see that. |
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| 03:59.40 | sussudio | "Kentucky's Department of Parks touts Big Bone Lick State Park as the birthplace of American paleontology, but the park's real birth pangs have come as the state tries to focus national or at least regional attention on it." |
| 03:59.42 | MadHunter | xam: Sarge... hda1 ("/", 39gb ReiserFS) and hda5 (1gb swap) |
| 03:59.43 | c01100011 | scouting the middle school to find girlfriends is so a skill |
| 03:59.47 | c01100011 | oopsss |
| 03:59.50 | xam | ryan: wmsmpmon? |
| 03:59.51 | rich_ | :) |
| 03:59.55 | sussudio | big. bone. lick. state park.? |
| 04:00.11 | ryan` | XaM: I am not running X. |
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| 04:00.21 | suma | i could not connect to internet using debian |
| 04:00.29 | suma | what could be wrong with my settings ? |
| 04:00.32 | z36ra | my wife is blond too... |
| 04:00.36 | MadHunter | xam: I removed grub but liloconfig still wont install a master boot record. |
| 04:00.40 | scarynetworkguy | !ops |
| 04:00.41 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 04:00.42 | cafuego | ryan`: make sure you have sarge running (and a 2.6 kernel) and press 'I' or 'O' or whatever it was... |
| 04:00.49 | helix | scarynetworkguy: ? |
| 04:00.54 | xam | MadHunter: what was wrong with grub? |
| 04:00.54 | debian | z36ra: ok ok, this isn't #wife |
| 04:00.55 | sussudio | ? |
| 04:01.03 | scarynetworkguy | helix: lastlog z36ra please |
| 04:01.06 | ryan` | cafuego, I'm running 2.4.18..... |
| 04:01.12 | Covener | MadHunter: lilo -v warn you about anything? did you manually edit /etc/liloc.onf? |
| 04:01.13 | cafuego | helix: scarynetworkguy is looking for a wife to complain about |
| 04:01.13 | ryan` | stable. |
| 04:01.16 | Phated | helix: General idea would be that z36ra is being a little annoying. |
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| 04:01.21 | Phated | cafuego: Heh. |
| 04:01.24 | Covener | Phated: amen to that |
| 04:01.25 | ryan` | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.27 | helix | well, Rez is here |
| 04:01.30 | helix | and I'm going out |
| 04:01.30 | Phated | Covener: To which? |
| 04:01.30 | MadHunter | xam: Wanted to change the console to higher resolution from boot. |
| 04:01.33 | Rez | z36ra: knock it off |
| 04:01.34 | Phated | helix: Where? |
| 04:01.35 | Pyguy | sarge == testing |
| 04:01.36 | z36ra | she drives a volkswagon. every time I see her I say, "there goes fukinstupid." |
| 04:01.38 | suma | i could not connect to internet using debian. what could be wrong with my settings ? |
| 04:01.40 | ryan` | oh. |
| 04:01.40 | z36ra | ok |
| 04:01.42 | helix | he just tickled me |
| 04:01.43 | MadHunter | xam: with a splashimage |
| 04:01.47 | c01100011 | how do i know if i have my usb modules enabled ? |
| 04:01.48 | cafuego | ryan`: Poor bastard. Really, upgrade to testing and get a 2.6 kernel going. SMP performance is *way* better. |
| 04:01.48 | Covener | Phated: z36ra making me want to stab my eyes out |
| 04:01.51 | Phated | helix: No, going out where? |
| 04:01.54 | Phated | Covener: Ah yes. |
| 04:01.54 | helix | z36ra: don't be annoying, ok? |
| 04:01.54 | Rez | helix: no, where are you going? |
| 04:01.57 | helix | Phated: 80s night |
| 04:02.00 | Phated | Rez: Heh. |
| 04:02.01 | Rez | HA |
| 04:02.02 | Pyguy | ryan`, sarge will soon become stable however |
| 04:02.02 | Phated | helix: Oh fun. |
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| 04:02.11 | Rez | still livin in the 80's eh? |
| 04:02.14 | suma | i could not connect to internet using debian. what could be wrong with my settings ? |
| 04:02.16 | Phated | Big hair and stuff? Or was that the 60's. |
| 04:02.17 | xam | MadHunter: tststs ... well, so you basically fucked it up yourself? |
| 04:02.19 | cafuego | ryan`: Alternatively, you can bakport testing's procps to stable. |
| 04:02.21 | bgat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.22 | xam | MadHunter ;) |
| 04:02.24 | k1x | im trying to search for suid binaries...what si the numerical perm value for mode "+s" ? |
| 04:02.27 | ryan` | cafuego, It's a light duty server, I don't care too much ATM. |
| 04:02.29 | Phated | bgat: Hehe. |
| 04:02.34 | Covener | suma: network card detected? got an ip address? got a nameserver? route right? |
| 04:02.35 | Rez | bgat: I truely hope that's not your password |
| 04:02.47 | Pyguy | ryan`, for updates you might want to subscribe to the News mailinglist... they've got weekly news all at one place, delivered to your inbox |
| 04:02.49 | Phated | Rez: Try /msg nickserv ghost bgat bgatpass. :) |
| 04:02.55 | suma | Covener: I checked with ifonfig, the ipaddress is workingperfect |
| 04:02.56 | ryan` | I'm just confused because top's manpage says it gives smp stats, but it doesn't seem to. |
| 04:02.56 | xam | Phated: hehehe |
| 04:02.58 | Phated | And you'll see if it's his pass... |
| 04:03.00 | cafuego | ryan`: if it's under less load it uses less power, which is good for the environment. |
| 04:03.06 | Rez | Phated: I could put your nick in for the password and it would ghost him. |
| 04:03.11 | suma | Covener: name servers in just enter into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:03.18 | Phated | Rez: Eh really. |
| 04:03.21 | dondelelcaro | k1x: info coreutils 'File permissions' |
| 04:03.22 | suma | and nothing seems to be working |
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| 04:03.24 | Rez | Phated: :) |
| 04:03.25 | Covener | suma: route? |
| 04:03.28 | droopy | I have a borked install I can't get docbook-xml to configure. How do you fix?? |
| 04:03.29 | MadHunter | xam: Didn't do anything that I know of. Installing sarge put grub on the system. I don't want grub, so there has to be a way of installing lilo onto the MBR... but the purge didn't remove grub's MBR. |
| 04:03.38 | Phated | Rez: This isn't some magic op power thing, is it. |
| 04:03.38 | suma | covener: how do i set up the route ? |
| 04:03.49 | Covener | MadHunter: does lilo care what's on the mbr? |
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| 04:04.11 | suma | route is wrong |
| 04:04.16 | xam | Covener,MadHunter: nope |
| 04:04.17 | bgat | Rez: not anymore! :^) |
| 04:04.21 | suma | how can i give the gateway ip address ? |
| 04:04.22 | Covener | suma: should be setup for you by /etc/network/interfaces, view with netstat -rn |
| 04:04.22 | Phated | Yes, that's something we should make noises about, being able to change the bootloader... |
| 04:04.37 | Rez | Phated: it is. nickserv rather ignores the password from me :) |
| 04:04.44 | c01100011 | how do i know if i have my usb modules enabled ? |
| 04:04.53 | Phated | Rez: *narrowed eyes* I hate you, you know that, right? :) |
| 04:04.53 | peterS | Covener: the MBR is what is booted by the BIOS. it had better do *something* to the effect of booting an OS of some sort. whether that's because it's lilo, or because it's the MS-DOS MBR, which chain-boots lilo, doesn't really matter |
| 04:04.57 | cafuego | MadHunter: You install lill to the mbr by editing the cfg file and running 'lilo'. |
| 04:05.16 | MadHunter | Covener: I get the following error from "liloconfig": Installing MBR on /dev/hda ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable. |
| 04:05.23 | bgat | anybody know where I can get a deb of keyspan firmware images? |
| 04:05.27 | suma | covener: that is perfect |
| 04:05.29 | MadHunter | cafuego: before running liloconfig? |
| 04:05.35 | peterS | Phated: ever wonder how it is that Rez can do op stuff in #debian without getting a +o flag first? |
| 04:05.36 | cafuego | MadHunter: When it comes to bootloaders, if grub is working now I'd keep it and forget about lilo. it's by far more flexible. |
| 04:05.39 | suma | covener: gateway setting is fine now |
| 04:05.41 | suma | still not working |
| 04:05.57 | Covener | peterS: Why does that mean lilo would care what's on the mbr before it writes to it? |
| 04:05.58 | Phated | peterS: Not really, but yeah, I'm getting the general all-powerful vibe now. :) |
| 04:06.15 | xam | Phated: well, on sparc you are stuck with SILO, on pa-risc your are stuck with PALO ... as long as the bootloader works, I'm happy |
| 04:06.16 | cafuego | peterS: he h4xx0r3dz freenode and the other ops didn't notice? |
| 04:06.26 | Phated | xam: But I want lilo. :) |
| 04:06.33 | peterS | Covener: oh, you're asking if lilo cares about the contents it is overwriting. that's a different matter. no, it doesn't care. it backs it up in /boot/boot.0300 or whatever your device is |
| 04:06.35 | xam | Phated: why? lilo sucks |
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| 04:06.48 | xam | !start a bootloader war |
| 04:06.48 | dpkg | yaboot rules |
| 04:06.49 | MadHunter | cafuego: True, but I don't like using something I don't want to just cause it's working. |
| 04:06.51 | Covener | peterS: right, that was my sentiment to madhunter |
| 04:06.57 | c01100011 | phated} floppy's should be good enugh ! |
| 04:07.04 | Phated | c01100011: Back off. |
| 04:07.06 | Phated | xam: BAH |
| 04:07.09 | Covener | MadHunter: have you tried that w/ -v? |
| 04:07.11 | cafuego | MadHunter: Then the problem is that you don't want it, not that you don't have lilo ;-) |
| 04:07.16 | droopy | I want docbook-xml to install. |
| 04:07.28 | ryan` | meh.... |
| 04:07.58 | MadHunter | cafuego: The problem is that I don't want GRUB, which came with the distro, and I want to replace it with Lilo. |
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| 04:08.17 | Phated | You know if you had used expert mode on the install you could have got lilo. |
| 04:08.26 | xam | Phated: even dpkg agrees with me ... see 'literal start a bootloader war' |
| 04:08.27 | cafuego | MadHunter: So the question is: why? and why did you not tell the installer to use lilo instead, then? |
| 04:08.32 | Phated | xam: BAH |
| 04:08.38 | z36ra | Madhunter: what distro? |
| 04:08.43 | MadHunter | sarge |
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| 04:08.55 | exhaust | when i run nvidia-settins i get ..Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 04:08.55 | exhaust | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 04:09.01 | exhaust | (nvidia-settings:2718): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 04:09.18 | exhaust | can n e 1 help? |
| 04:09.24 | sussudio | :-| |
| 04:09.45 | MadHunter | cafuego: Why is irrelavent. Because that's what I want on my computer. |
| 04:09.56 | cafuego | MadHunter: So install lilo and run 'lilo' |
| 04:10.04 | c01100011 | <sussudio>exhaust_ are you root ? |
| 04:10.08 | Phated | And don't use liloconfig, apparently. |
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| 04:10.21 | cafuego | Then watch the system go LILILILILI at bootup <heh> |
| 04:10.22 | MadHunter | cafuego: good lord. |
| 04:10.27 | sussudio | c01100011: fuck off |
| 04:10.30 | exhaust | c01100011: i tried root, and a user |
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| 04:10.45 | z36ra | Madhunter: Lilo is not the toothpaste of preference. |
| 04:10.55 | z36ra | I like crest |
| 04:11.08 | cafuego | MadHunter: I don't understand what your problem is. install lilo if you want lilo and don't if you don't. |
| 04:11.32 | Phated | cafuego: LILILILILI? |
| 04:11.40 | cafuego | Phated: 01 01 01 |
| 04:11.43 | MadHunter | cafuego: My problem is that I was getting errors installing lilo, which is why I came here in the first place... until your tangent on Why Why Why. |
| 04:11.45 | cafuego | or just LI i suppose |
| 04:12.13 | cafuego | MadHunter: just checking you didn't have an actual reason for breaking a woking system. |
| 04:12.25 | Phated | cafuego: OK... |
| 04:12.26 | z36ra | Madhunter: the problem is that your distro prefers smething else. |
| 04:12.31 | cafuego | MadHunter: lilo.conf points to the relevant boot disk and root partition? |
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| 04:12.47 | droopy | I have a borked install I can't get docbook-xml to configure. How do you fix?? |
| 04:12.48 | Phated | The problem is that the distro doesn't make it obvious that you can change your bootloader at install. :) |
| 04:13.24 | MadHunter | yes, lilo.conf is setup correctly. and I ran lilo, it added the partition no problem. But when I reboot, there is still grub sitting there with a menu |
| 04:13.26 | peterS | !seen lumat |
| 04:13.26 | dpkg | lumat <~lumat@62.99.167.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19h 8m 34s ago, saying: 'PeterS: thank you and hav a good day'. |
| 04:14.23 | z36ra | It never occured to me that if a distro wanted to install grub as the boot-loader that I could install an atiquated one instead. |
| 04:14.26 | droopy | MadHunter dd you mbr |
| 04:14.41 | Phated | Lilo isn't -antiquated-. |
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| 04:14.53 | cafuego | MadHunter: So, did you or did you not run 'lilo -v' as root before rebooting? |
| 04:15.00 | MadHunter | droopy: I've been trying to figure out how, I guess. |
| 04:15.03 | scarynetworkguy | far from it in fact. |
| 04:15.04 | MadHunter | cafuego I did |
| 04:15.15 | Phated | With the -v and everything? |
| 04:15.36 | MadHunter | yep |
| 04:15.39 | cafuego | MadHunter: Did it say it was installing a boot section on /dev/hda ? |
| 04:15.42 | cafuego | sector |
| 04:15.46 | MadHunter | but how do I format the MBR? |
| 04:15.55 | cafuego | (or whatever device you want it on?) |
| 04:16.05 | MadHunter | in windows I'd just fdisk /mbr |
| 04:16.06 | z36ra | ok I could be wrong but the point is that i could spend more time worrying about more important things. sorry if Im being disagreable |
| 04:16.07 | cafuego | MadHunter: You don't. This isn't MSDOS. |
| 04:16.23 | MadHunter | Then why is grub still there when it's been purged? |
| 04:16.31 | Phated | *shrugs* Just a personal preference, I like lilo, that's all. |
| 04:16.36 | cafuego | MadHunter: What did you set boot=.... to in lilo.conf? |
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| 04:17.06 | MadHunter | boot=/dev/hda1 |
| 04:17.07 | cafuego | MadHunter: Coz purging grub uninstalls the application, it DOES NOT touch the boot sector. |
| 04:17.22 | ryan` | I prefer grub, but there's nothing wrong with lilo. |
| 04:17.22 | cafuego | MadHunter: Ok, so it's user error. Change that to 'boot=/dev/hda' then rerun lilo -v. |
| 04:17.41 | Phated | Lilo has prettier and easier to humanly parse config file, 's all. |
| 04:17.44 | cafuego | MadHunter: you told lil oto install to the partition record, not the boot sector. |
| 04:18.15 | cafuego | MadHunter: Hence the old boot sector (with grub) was still there. |
| 04:18.17 | Phated | boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hda1. |
| 04:18.20 | MadHunter | No, it installed it to the partition when I got the error I posted 6 times re: the boot sector |
| 04:18.22 | Phated | See? |
| 04:18.37 | MadHunter | Covener: I get the following error from "liloconfig": Installing MBR on /dev/hda ERROR: install-mbr failed! Your system may not be bootable. |
| 04:18.38 | xam | cafugeo: who is little oto? ;-P |
| 04:18.53 | cafuego | xam: oto, like 'car'. |
| 04:18.55 | Guerin | xam: big oto's little brother |
| 04:19.00 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 04:19.15 | cafuego | MadHunter: 'lilo -v' is NOT 'liloconfig' |
| 04:19.28 | Guerin | ph3333r the spiciness of my snrimp noodles |
| 04:19.37 | Phated | snrimp, eh? |
| 04:19.41 | cafuego | MadHunter: Change the cfg file, then run 'lilo -v'. |
| 04:19.44 | Phated | I ph333333r the snrimp. |
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| 04:19.54 | Guerin | shrimps as well as the snripms |
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| 04:19.56 | xam | Phated: yeah, those are small shrimp noodles ... |
| 04:20.01 | Guerin | and the snrimps |
| 04:20.02 | Phated | xam: Heh. |
| 04:20.15 | Phated | I like snrimps mind you. I think I'll do tempura tonight. |
| 04:20.19 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmmmm snrimps |
| 04:20.36 | Phated | Ooooooo. |
| 04:20.45 | cafuego | IF the german can obtain basil |
| 04:20.51 | Phated | Heh. |
| 04:21.08 | Guerin | i seem to have found a loophole in my allergy toward anything that lives in the sea with legs: dried stuff |
| 04:21.19 | Phated | Guerin: Oh, nice. |
| 04:21.22 | Guerin | it appears to only be fresh that sets it off |
| 04:21.30 | jsoft | lol |
| 04:21.33 | mwilson | Yeah, but what's good dried? |
| 04:21.34 | cafuego | Phated: I prefer fresh basil, not still that's been on a plane for half a day ;-) |
| 04:21.39 | Phated | Guerin: We'll send you some dried crab and lobster, shall we? |
| 04:21.43 | Guerin | mwilson: well, that's the problem. |
| 04:21.49 | zignig | Guerin: perhaps you are alergic to water |
| 04:21.50 | Phated | cafuego: PAH! Basil over TCP/IP, you faithless thing! |
| 04:21.59 | Guerin | zignig: no, definitely not allergic to water. |
| 04:22.04 | Phated | Hehe. |
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| 04:22.10 | Phated | Maybe just saltwater. :) |
| 04:22.13 | cafuego | Phated: I have -p herb -j DROP and can't open it |
| 04:22.17 | Phated | MAYBE you're allergic to salt! |
| 04:22.24 | zinx | Guerin: perhaps the dried stuff isn't actually aminals from the sea at all |
| 04:22.26 | Phated | cafuego: Ah well that's your fault then. |
| 04:22.31 | zignig | Guerin: just a thought ;) |
| 04:22.32 | xam | cafuego: you shoud use REJECT |
| 04:22.40 | cafuego | Guerin: Did you get sick once from many-footed aquatic food? |
| 04:22.41 | Phated | Meh. |
| 04:22.47 | Guerin | no, I've lived next to the sea all my life and have been swimming in salt water since I could walk from the car to the sea under my own steam |
| 04:22.52 | cafuego | xam: i would use reject for you, but i DROp phated |
| 04:22.59 | Phated | cafuego: Why you. |
| 04:23.01 | jsoft | Anyone know how to get snort to 'fast log' to a particular file? |
| 04:23.02 | Guerin | cafuego: no, but my mother had a similar thing happen to her. |
| 04:23.04 | Phated | You haven't DRANK the saltwater have you? |
| 04:23.18 | Guerin | cafuego: she developed a similar allergy while she was pregnant with me. |
| 04:23.19 | xam | cafuego: okay, that does it. I -m limit you! |
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| 04:23.28 | cafuego | Guerin: I thought for years I had an allergy, but it turned out to be a bad batch of fish when I was young |
| 04:23.31 | Phated | Good lord Geek Battles. |
| 04:23.36 | Guerin | Phated: probably more than I care to think of, though not intentionally. |
| 04:23.44 | Phated | Guerin: AH. |
| 04:23.53 | Phated | Well then Guerin... I pronounce you odd. :) |
| 04:23.55 | xam | Phated: at least it is more healthy than drinking distilled water |
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| 04:24.06 | Phated | xam: Yeah, true, distilled water, BLECH. |
| 04:24.07 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:24.13 | Phated | Tap water for me, thank you. |
| 04:24.16 | Guerin | my wife tells me I'm like a verse of leviticus |
| 04:24.29 | Phated | Unless out of .sg, in which case boiled tap water. |
| 04:24.36 | cafuego | Guerin: Hmmyeah, my wife's mother developed an allergy to red wine when she was pregnent with my wife (who has a red wine allergy) |
| 04:24.43 | xam | Guerin: at least she doesn't tell you you look like a leviathan |
| 04:25.00 | Guerin | cafuego: red wine contains massive amounts of allergens, that's pretty common. |
| 04:25.05 | Phated | Doesn't that suck? Glad my mom wasn't allergic to anything while she had me. |
| 04:25.07 | cafuego | Guerin: *nod* |
| 04:25.12 | cafuego | Guerin: More for me! |
| 04:25.22 | Phated | Though she seems to have developed a rather nasty one for animal furs. |
| 04:25.29 | Guerin | cafuego: that's what MY wife says about crayfish :( |
| 04:25.35 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
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| 04:25.42 | cafuego | and country&western |
| 04:25.43 | droopy | Yes I fixed it! |
| 04:25.55 | Phated | cafuego: Gentoo? |
| 04:26.04 | cafuego | Guerin: lobster sucks, it's disgusting - you're not missing much ;-) |
| 04:26.10 | xam | !win droopy |
| 04:26.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, droopy! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 04:26.13 | Phated | Crayfish > lobster! |
| 04:26.18 | rich_ | Last time I was under the knife they found out Im allergic to vancomyicin |
| 04:26.18 | JVaughn | lobster is fucking great |
| 04:26.27 | cafuego | !moretonbaybugsmite Phated |
| 04:26.27 | Guerin | cafuego: I've never tasted lobster - I'm talking about sweet NZ crayfish |
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| 04:26.37 | Phated | Ah yessss, crayfish... |
| 04:26.44 | xam | eating lobster sucks ... it is cold before you even ate half of it |
| 04:26.48 | Guerin | cafuego: I've tried all kinds, as well, because I love the stuff - it just hurts. |
| 04:26.51 | Phated | My fissssshhh... my own, my prrreciousss. |
| 04:26.55 | Phated | Bah. |
| 04:26.57 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm crayfish |
| 04:27.07 | Phated | xam: Crayfish > lobster, but it's smaller! :) |
| 04:27.11 | xam | mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cobra |
| 04:27.13 | droopy | BYE |
| 04:27.14 | scarynetworkguy | xam: you are clearly doing it wrong. |
| 04:27.21 | Guerin | xam: eat faster |
| 04:27.27 | JVaughn | my lobster is always hot |
| 04:27.31 | JVaughn | i don't bowl lobster tho |
| 04:27.39 | JVaughn | fry it on da grill |
| 04:27.41 | Guerin | JVaughn: is your horvercraft full of eels? |
| 04:27.45 | JVaughn | grilled lobs rules |
| 04:27.51 | JVaughn | guerin - electric ones |
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| 04:27.57 | Phated | Mmmm, lobster. |
| 04:28.04 | scarynetworkguy | Mmmmmmm |
| 04:28.05 | cafuego | Guerin: http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/fishweb/2548.html |
| 04:28.08 | mwilson | Lobster sucks. Crab isn't much better. |
| 04:28.09 | xam | scarynetworkguy: don't tell me that ... I had the proper tools (chainsaw) and the experience with the tool |
| 04:28.21 | scarynetworkguy | xam: idiot |
| 04:28.40 | Guerin | mwilson: what's your seafood of choice? |
| 04:28.46 | scarynetworkguy | Crab is one of natures perfect foods. It even comes with a poptop. |
| 04:28.58 | Phated | Prawns > * |
| 04:29.03 | scarynetworkguy | rule |
| 04:29.06 | JVaughn | man i love all seafood come to think of it, cept oysters |
| 04:29.14 | xam | Phated prawns are nice, but I prefer squid |
| 04:29.28 | Phated | xam: I prefer prawns. More for me. :) |
| 04:29.30 | mwilson | Guerin: Mussels. |
| 04:29.33 | Phated | Mussels! |
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| 04:29.38 | cafuego | with chilli squid risotto for mains |
| 04:29.39 | Phated | Damn, mwilson. :) |
| 04:29.41 | Loof | I asked a bit earlier... but didn't get a response... anyone know of a good jukebox /w a web interface... NOT something that streams? |
| 04:29.43 | Guerin | there's only one civilised way to eat oysters, and that's fresh, with sea water |
| 04:29.44 | mwilson | Guerin: Oysters, clams, etc. |
| 04:29.50 | Phated | cafuego: You eat too much pasta. :) |
| 04:29.58 | Phated | mwilson: Mollusc family, then? |
| 04:30.02 | Guerin | risotto is NOT pasta |
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| 04:30.03 | cafuego | Phated: risotto doesn't contain pasta |
| 04:30.08 | sussudio | in soviet russia, oysters kilpatrick have cafuego for dinner. |
| 04:30.10 | Phated | My bad. :/ |
| 04:30.12 | cafuego | Phated: It's rice |
| 04:30.21 | mwilson | And I like octopus and squid. |
| 04:30.22 | Phated | I keep forgetting, I know, my bad. :/ |
| 04:30.34 | Phated | mwilson: OK you like the ooky stuff. |
| 04:30.34 | rich_ | Loof try randomplay |
| 04:30.45 | JVaughn | russia is still considered soviet? (excuse my national ignorance) |
| 04:30.49 | xam | Phated: oh, come on |
| 04:30.53 | cafuego | JVaughn: Only on sussudioworld |
| 04:30.56 | Phated | xam: Hmmm? |
| 04:31.01 | JVaughn | heh |
| 04:31.01 | Guerin | mwilson: come to korea, play the "catch the baaby squids with your chopsticks and eat them live, being careful not to allow them to sucker onto your throat" game |
| 04:31.01 | xam | Phated: ooky stuff? |
| 04:31.12 | Phated | xam: Personal term for them. |
| 04:31.14 | cafuego | JVaughn: Which is planet earth, but in the 80's. |
| 04:31.21 | Phated | Guerin: Hey I had some of those! |
| 04:31.35 | xam | Guerin: well, I prefer them not THAT fresh, thank you |
| 04:31.41 | mwilson | Guerin: First I'd have to be able to manage the chopsticks. Knowing me, I'd end up with the squid stuck to my nose. |
| 04:31.50 | Guerin | mwilson: it happens :) |
| 04:31.54 | Phated | mwilson: We'll let you use a fork. |
| 04:32.06 | Guerin | mwilson: dipping them in booze calms them down a little |
| 04:32.12 | Phated | I do believe my mother point-blank refused the squid. |
| 04:32.18 | sussudio | Guerin: works for clochards |
| 04:32.29 | cafuego | !dukes-of-hazard-smite sussudio |
| 04:32.33 | Guerin | sussudio: what's a clochard when it's at home ? |
| 04:32.41 | sussudio | Guerin: a troll? |
| 04:32.43 | xam | mwilson: I can even imagine that the squid takes your chopsticks and tries to swallow you ... |
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| 04:33.03 | Phated | He can't be -that- inept with chopsticks. |
| 04:33.03 | JVaughn | calamari (sp?) is squid right? |
| 04:33.10 | beth | what's a clochard? |
| 04:33.12 | Phated | JVaughn: Deepfried suid, aye. |
| 04:33.17 | sussudio | !dict clochard |
| 04:33.17 | Phated | squid! |
| 04:33.19 | dpkg | could not find definition for clochard |
| 04:33.20 | JVaughn | that's good eating |
| 04:33.23 | Phated | Oh yeah. |
| 04:33.24 | sussudio | dpkg: bad bot |
| 04:33.24 | Guerin | Phated: you live in asia. Some people just have never ussed chopsticks. |
| 04:33.24 | dpkg | *sniff* I can't help it! xk made me this way! *sniff* |
| 04:33.37 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:33.41 | Phated | Guerin: Really? Interesting... Their whole LIVES? |
| 04:33.46 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 04:33.46 | Guerin | Phated: hell yeah. |
| 04:33.53 | mwilson | Phated: You've never seen me try to use them. :) |
| 04:33.53 | Phated | Guerin: No chopsticks at ALL? |
| 04:33.56 | xam | JVaughn: kind of ... it is when you chop squid into rings and deepfry it AFAIK |
| 04:34.03 | Guerin | Phated: yes. Really. |
| 04:34.04 | Phated | mwilson: Come down sometime, we'll get seafood. :) |
| 04:34.04 | sussudio | beth: drunk french vagrant who lives under bridges |
| 04:34.11 | Phated | Guerin: Golly gee whiz! |
| 04:34.13 | xam | JVaughn: doesn't taste like fresh squid however |
| 04:34.22 | JVaughn | The asians were so close with the fork tho. they had it comming.. They weren't plowing their fields with 2 big ass sticks... so why eat with em? |
| 04:34.26 | JVaughn | (seinfield quote) |
| 04:34.30 | Phated | It's chewier if I recall. |
| 04:34.37 | JVaughn | xam - sure it doesn't |
| 04:34.44 | Guerin | JVaughn: chopsticks are a way more useful tool for asian food than a fork |
| 04:34.51 | mwilson | JVaughn: Thus describing yet again that Seinfeld is a moron. |
| 04:35.04 | Phated | Chopsticks RULE. |
| 04:35.07 | Guerin | yeah, seinfeld sucks arse |
| 04:35.23 | mwilson | Has the man EVER been funny? |
| 04:35.26 | Phated | They're food-picker-uppers, AND, if they're clean, fashion accessories. |
| 04:35.31 | Phated | 'nuff said. |
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| 04:35.37 | xam | There is more squid (in terms of mass) on earth than humans |
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| 04:35.55 | JVaughn | seinfield the show is great... i can imagine how someone would not like his standup |
| 04:35.58 | Phated | xam: Which is why I ain't stopping my calamari diet anytime soon. |
| 04:35.58 | JVaughn | but come the show was amazing |
| 04:36.04 | Guerin | s/seinfeld/friends/ if you want; the statement holds |
| 04:36.05 | Phated | It SUCKED. |
| 04:36.34 | scarynetworkguy | *nod* |
| 04:36.37 | Loof | rich_: It certainly doesn't seem to have a web interface :P |
| 04:36.37 | Phated | Sitcoms are a touchy topic. |
| 04:36.42 | JVaughn | seinfeld and simpsons, good as it gets :) |
| 04:36.43 | debian | Phated: it's for Americans anyway, the standard differs... |
| 04:36.48 | Guerin | Nothing will come of nothing. Seinfeld was a show about nothing, ergo... |
| 04:36.54 | Phated | debian: Meh. So -they- suck. :) |
| 04:37.07 | scarynetworkguy | *nod* |
| 04:37.24 | Phated | Guerin: I can see you hurting his feelings real soon. :) |
| 04:37.29 | xam | Phated: well, just 51% ... |
| 04:37.39 | rich_ | Loof Oh sorry, its just for picking songs and filtering out the ones you recently heard alteady |
| 04:37.45 | Phated | xam: You little twit. *thwack* |
| 04:37.51 | xam | Phated ;) |
| 04:37.54 | Phated | :) |
| 04:39.10 | jetscreamer | can you mount a zip file as a directory? |
| 04:39.26 | Phated | Don't think so. |
| 04:39.27 | JVaughn | a .zip file? |
| 04:39.38 | jetscreamer | yeah, it has directory structure |
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| 04:39.53 | Phated | Suck it and see. |
| 04:39.58 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you can pretend with mc or konqueror or $other_file_browser |
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| 04:40.24 | Guerin | jetscreamer: but since "zip" is not a filesystem... |
| 04:40.28 | JVaughn | maybe if the .zip had a filesystem |
| 04:40.35 | JVaughn | jinks guerin |
| 04:40.58 | jetscreamer | should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 04:41.15 | Guerin | hrm, there's some good logic |
| 04:41.16 | JVaughn | zipfs baby, get wriring |
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| 04:41.24 | jetscreamer | quake can do it |
| 04:41.32 | Phated | Nigel: Yes it has. |
| 04:41.35 | JVaughn | s/wiriring/writing |
| 04:41.37 | jetscreamer | surely linux can ... :/ |
| 04:41.40 | Nigel | Phated: goodie |
| 04:41.42 | Guerin | !qotdx =~ s/15 // |
| 04:41.42 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 04:41.48 | jetscreamer | or could |
| 04:41.54 | Nigel | so it's possible i can not down the problem i'm experiencing easier? |
| 04:42.00 | Nigel | *nut |
| 04:42.02 | Phated | Nigel: Howso? |
| 04:42.09 | Guerin | !qotd15 is <reply> <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 04:42.09 | dpkg | ...but qotd15 is already something else... |
| 04:42.15 | Guerin | dpkg, no, qotd15 is <reply> <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 04:42.15 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:42.28 | Nigel | oh no |
| 04:42.30 | Phated | Heh. Guerin, you are an evil man. |
| 04:42.38 | jetscreamer | Guerin, i'm a big fan of brick walls, too |
| 04:42.40 | Guerin | wow, film at 11 |
| 04:43.01 | jetscreamer | i don't punch brick walls anymore though |
| 04:43.06 | sussudio | Piggy in teh house |
| 04:43.10 | Guerin | that's sensible |
| 04:43.11 | JVaughn | piggy - while your feet are jumping? |
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| 04:43.34 | findme | how do i compile a new module. would make module be sufficient ? |
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| 04:43.48 | Guerin | findme: findyou a howto |
| 04:43.52 | jetscreamer | !qotd0 |
| 04:43.52 | dpkg | qotd33 is, like, < ribnitz> Guerin: but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
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| 04:44.00 | Guerin | findme: or man make-kpkg |
| 04:44.02 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 04:44.29 | Nigel | ok make again |
| 04:44.30 | Guerin | !qotd33 =~ s/Guerin: // |
| 04:44.30 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 04:44.36 | JVaughn | findme - um, i don't know if i ever tried to compile just one module... but you can just add that module and compile the rest of them with make modules;make modules_install |
| 04:44.37 | sketchy | i 'adduser'd a user, but i cannot connect to that user through samba - how do i either syncronise the passwords with the system, or add the user so that samba recognises them? |
| 04:44.41 | jetscreamer | boo |
| 04:44.43 | JVaughn | findme - assuming this is a standard linux source module |
| 04:44.45 | jetscreamer | !qotd33 |
| 04:44.45 | dpkg | methinks qotd33 is < ribnitz> but windoze does it, and if windows does it it can't be that wrong :) |
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| 04:44.50 | jetscreamer | boooooo |
| 04:44.55 | findme | JVaughn, thanks. |
| 04:45.11 | findme | i issued patch -Np1 xxx it seems to hang any thoughts ? |
| 04:45.11 | scarynetworkguy | !qotd11 |
| 04:45.11 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 04:45.20 | Nigel | oh god |
| 04:45.20 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:45.27 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.28 | JVaughn | haaha |
| 04:45.29 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.32 | Nigel | i won't even bother tring to work out my problem with this noise |
| 04:45.42 | Guerin | JVaughn: you disembowelled the loldude! |
| 04:45.43 | jetscreamer | !comfort nigel |
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| 04:45.43 | dpkg | There, there, nigel. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:45.55 | Guerin | Nigel: this is quiet... |
| 04:46.02 | jetscreamer | double entendre even |
| 04:46.04 | peterS | Guerin: the 'dude doesn't mind that much. he's used to getting no respect |
| 04:46.06 | JVaughn | guerin - hehe |
| 04:46.15 | Guerin | peterS: true that |
| 04:46.24 | JVaughn | next time i see an lol dude in creation, i'll wait a sec to hit {enter} |
| 04:46.28 | Nigel | Guerin: yeah right |
| 04:46.28 | JVaughn | my promise to you guerin |
| 04:46.55 | Guerin | Nigel: come back about 0600EST |
| 04:47.22 | JVaughn | #debian is a party 24/7 baybee |
| 04:47.32 | JVaughn | we never stop! |
| 04:47.35 | jetscreamer | no! Nigel, /join #debian+q |
| 04:47.35 | peterS | JVaughn: I've seen quiet spaces as long as 15 minutes |
| 04:47.49 | Nigel | Guerin: no thanks |
| 04:47.53 | peterS | certainly not frequently |
| 04:47.56 | JVaughn | heh |
| 04:48.05 | Guerin | during the election it was pretty quiet |
| 04:48.14 | Guerin | because everyone was trolling the bushies elsewhere |
| 04:48.19 | Nigel | i'll just let this bug stay |
| 04:48.26 | jetscreamer | all the democrats were shocked that they weren't the majority |
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| 04:49.02 | JVaughn | bleh, i didn't even vote... and that reason is because i live in Texas, no matter what i would have voted, Texas would have gone to BUsh no matte what |
| 04:49.06 | JVaughn | so i was off getting drunk |
| 04:49.08 | JVaughn | and prolly high |
| 04:49.14 | Phated | Damnit. |
| 04:49.17 | peterS | jetscreamer: it's a common disease. first you get the feeling that your beliefs are right, true and obvious to anyone with a brain. then you find out that over 50% of the population disagrees with you. the conclusion is either that your perception is wrongheaded, or the population as a whole has no brains |
| 04:49.20 | Phated | Guerin: So true. I know I was. |
| 04:49.23 | rich_ | Oh yea the election. That reminds me, anyone looking for some surplus body bags? :) |
| 04:49.27 | rich_ | hardly used |
| 04:49.42 | rich_ | cheap |
| 04:49.45 | peterS | jetscreamer: in the present case, I'd submit that both conclusions are likely to be true |
| 04:49.55 | Phated | rich_: I have some if anyone's planning on a spate of assasinations, on the condition of course that the assassinitees are of the Rep side. |
| 04:49.58 | Loof | rich: I'm hoping to find something my wife can easily use... all the decent ones I've found stream audio |
| 04:49.59 | Guerin | rich_: it's the iraqui defence force rifles I'm thinking of - never fired, only dropped once? |
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| 04:50.03 | zignig | peterS: heh , that assumes that that 50% of the people are _actually_ informed. |
| 04:50.05 | Guerin | s/qu/q/ |
| 04:50.09 | jetscreamer | peterS, yes i know i get that all the time.... but what really sucks is i'm usually right.. (not making that up) but of course nobody listens till it's too late |
| 04:50.11 | rich_ | Well you can always speculate |
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| 04:50.18 | rich_ | win some, lose some |
| 04:50.22 | Phated | jetscreamer: Take a !comfort. |
| 04:50.23 | JVaughn | honestly, i've just come to the conclusion americans are scared.. they feel better with King Bush the Emporer Dictator the II... it'll pass |
| 04:50.31 | Phated | Pah. |
| 04:50.35 | katabroc | hey guys, I've just downloaded gnome (apt-get install gnome) what should I do next to make gnome work? |
| 04:50.47 | JVaughn | even people who voted for bush think he is a moron |
| 04:50.47 | jetscreamer | JVaughn, you're IN texas but where did you come from :) |
| 04:50.58 | Guerin | peterS: you're a political apathetic, then? Or a libertarian supporter, which amounts to much the same thing... not trolling you, I'm just curious. |
| 04:51.06 | Nigel | katabroc: best restart to get X to autoload etc if thats what you want to do |
| 04:51.06 | Phated | JVaughn: And. They. Voted. Him. :/ |
| 04:51.10 | Loof | I dunno, it's tough... a big part of it is fear... they're really good at it |
| 04:51.14 | Phated | restart? WTF. |
| 04:51.17 | Nigel | easiest |
| 04:51.17 | Loof | not just terrorists... which they're going to milk forever |
| 04:51.41 | Phated | katabroc: Install gdm and do, as root, /etc/init.d/gdm start, IF you have your X set up. |
| 04:51.41 | peterS | Guerin: no, I've got views. I just get highly amused when people get these assumptions about their own views being obvious to anyone with a brain. I find this attitude ludicrously cocky |
| 04:51.48 | katabroc | Nigel, ive just restarted, but nothing happens... when I use apt-get install gnome, it gets all needed files (like X foe example)? |
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| 04:51.57 | Guerin | peterS: right, I'm with you now. |
| 04:52.00 | Phated | *roll* |
| 04:52.00 | jetscreamer | katabroc, use dselect |
| 04:52.02 | zignig | Loof: indefinite war , against an invisible enemy; sounds good. |
| 04:52.02 | katabroc | i dont have a X server |
| 04:52.15 | Phated | katabroc: Install. GDM. And of course you bloody need X. :/ |
| 04:52.17 | rich_ | In war, it really doesn't matter who win's or looses, it maters who salvages the brass. |
| 04:52.19 | zignig | Loof: we ran out of commies , what can you do. |
| 04:52.27 | jetscreamer | oh gee wait, invisible war.... |
| 04:52.31 | katabroc | apt-get install X ? |
| 04:52.40 | jetscreamer | katabroc, use dselect |
| 04:52.42 | Guerin | zignig: still plenty of commies, the trouble is that the pwn the $US |
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| 04:52.51 | Phated | Bah, someone take over, I'm getting lunch. |
| 04:52.52 | Guerin | they pwn the $US, I mean |
| 04:52.53 | Nigel | katabroc: "x-window-system" |
| 04:52.55 | zignig | Guerin: pws ? |
| 04:52.58 | zignig | pwn .. |
| 04:53.02 | jetscreamer | katabroc, it will fix the dependencies and get what's needed |
| 04:53.13 | Nigel | jetscreamer: so willl apt-get |
| 04:53.16 | jetscreamer | unlike apt-get in this case |
| 04:53.18 | katabroc | ok |
| 04:53.33 | jetscreamer | oh gee apt-get 'just workd'(tm) |
| 04:53.41 | rich_ | morte shooting means more brass. So be afraid. Be very afraid :) |
| 04:53.46 | katabroc | last time i've got X, i've got a configuration problem with XKD, something related to keyboard I think |
| 04:54.06 | Guerin | zignig: yeah. If china either a) called for payment on the US deficit or b) standardised on the euro, America would go bust in a matter of years. |
| 04:54.09 | jetscreamer | just as there is no spoon, there was no 911 |
| 04:54.19 | Nigel | well it looks like i need to reformat this computer if there is noone willing to help |
| 04:54.19 | jetscreamer | forget 911 never happened |
| 04:54.22 | Guerin | Or there'd be a collosal war, which would be worse. |
| 04:54.30 | Loof | I think it's amazing how many people are afraid of 'faggots' though... It's annoying... how scared can you be of a bundle of wood |
| 04:54.49 | zignig | Guerin: the other threat is the 'gold dinar' |
| 04:54.49 | Loof | Nah, the thing I'm really afraid of is that the conspiracy theorists are right |
| 04:54.50 | jetscreamer | nigel are you ever going to ask the question to where i actually see you ask the question, or am i only to see you whine about nobody helping you |
| 04:55.00 | JVaughn | loof - heh |
| 04:55.05 | zignig | Guerin: eliminate ( almost ) inflation. |
| 04:55.09 | Nigel | jetscreamer: i asked the question hours ago and i wasn't helped |
| 04:55.10 | Guerin | zignig: not to anyone who actually understands international currency issues. |
| 04:55.11 | Loof | that 9/11 was known and not stopped...that both elections were 'tweaked' just enough to make bush win |
| 04:55.14 | peterS | Loof: I'm mainly in favor of banning fags from public places, though. clean air is nice. |
| 04:55.21 | Phated | What peterS said. |
| 04:55.25 | Guerin | zignig: since there's nowhere near enough gold in the world to standardise on it |
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| 04:55.30 | jetscreamer | hours ago eh Nigel... let me put on my frickin telepathic hat or whatever |
| 04:55.41 | Loof | in which case the US is heading towards a major civil war when it comes out |
| 04:55.45 | JVaughn | loof - i've even heard that 9/11 was allowed to make bush more popular... he was a joke before that... we all remember the tv show "That's my Bush" |
| 04:55.50 | jetscreamer | bullshit |
| 04:55.50 | JVaughn | but i seriously doubt |
| 04:55.55 | JVaughn | that |
| 04:56.03 | jetscreamer | won't be any civil war |
| 04:56.12 | zignig | Guerin: the whole world in not important only the OPEC nations. |
| 04:56.17 | rich_ | If you can't find a way to turn fear into money, your not trying hard enough. I mean it sounds cynical, but after two or three wars, you start to see the pattern and you might as well scavange whatever you can from it. |
| 04:56.31 | zignig | Guerin: usa relies on the $ being used for int. trade. |
| 04:56.32 | Loof | Actually, I think if 9/11 were PROVEN to be allowed to happen... there would be |
| 04:56.38 | Loof | but it'll be like JFK's assasination |
| 04:56.47 | Loof | there's a LOT of evidence the US military was involved |
| 04:56.55 | jetscreamer | (oh god) |
| 04:57.03 | JVaughn | ok this discussion is getting out of hand :) |
| 04:57.09 | Loof | yet they proved it's simple enough to deflect blame |
| 04:57.15 | Guerin | zignig: yes, it does. But opec will never standardise on any currency that's not in global use. Ever. |
| 04:57.18 | zignig | right , off the #world-relations. |
| 04:57.23 | Guerin | to do so would be insane. |
| 04:57.26 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:57.30 | zignig | Guerin: why insane. |
| 04:57.31 | zignig | ? |
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| 04:57.43 | Loof | Well, there's one really funny thing |
| 04:57.49 | peterS | Loof: we are part of the conspiracy to cover these things up. we suppress dissenting speech on the subject. To wit: we don't want to hear about it in #debian. (: |
| 04:58.01 | zignig | Loof: #world-relations --> |
| 04:58.10 | jetscreamer | most of ya'll have never got to hang out with truly evil men i guess... |
| 04:58.20 | peterS | jetscreamer: indeed |
| 04:58.22 | Loof | So many conspiracy theorists think it's about taking over the world... none of these people want to control the government or the people |
| 04:58.26 | Loof | they simply want to control the economy |
| 04:58.31 | Guerin | zignig: isolating yourself financially from your customer base is never wise. |
| 04:58.45 | Loof | and there's nothing new about 'em... faces come and go... but it's a LOT of the same people generation after generation |
| 04:58.50 | Guerin | anyway |
| 04:58.57 | zignig | Guerin,Loof , lets take this to w-r ? |
| 04:59.01 | Guerin | I need to go back to beginning perl |
| 04:59.07 | peterS | Guerin: heh |
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| 04:59.13 | zignig | Guerin: python !!!! , no really. |
| 04:59.13 | Loof | It's amazing how many random people I talk to that don't realize Saudi Arabia is named after the Saudi family. |
| 04:59.19 | Loof | Perl is good :) |
| 04:59.22 | peterS | Guerin: perl is a subject which, while also off-topic in #debian, I'd be willing to discuss here (: |
| 04:59.32 | rich_ | It is about takeing over the world. It's about getting everyone on the same page so all computers speak together and understand each other with perfect unity. And buying the world a coke or teaching them to sing |
| 04:59.35 | Loof | I actually got my wife coding in Perl! |
| 04:59.36 | Loof | hehe |
| 04:59.57 | pipeline | I sense that I am in the minority believing that Perl is Satan. |
| 05:00.00 | Loof | Sorry, I just got done watching Farenheit 9/11 for the 1st time |
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| 05:00.23 | Guerin | zignig: no, I try to avoid politics-specific fora on non-politics-related networks, because they tend to be so full of imbeciles and uneducated morons, who outnumber the sane people and then taunt them until they come and mud-wrestle. |
| 05:00.25 | jetscreamer | that's not like the book by bradbury is it |
| 05:00.26 | pipeline | Literally in incarnation of Baphomet, impinging upon our mortal plane only to sow the seeds of our destruction and so serve the swirling chaos from which he is borne. |
| 05:00.27 | peterS | pipeline: it's a silent majority. we perl fanatics are in a conspiracy to hold you down so you don't all realise what strength you really have in numbers |
| 05:00.48 | Loof | jetscreamer: Similar... only less books in it |
| 05:01.05 | Guerin | beginning perl is pretty slow, though. Really wordy. |
| 05:01.10 | Guerin | i mean, it |
| 05:01.19 | Loof | beginning perl? |
| 05:01.23 | Loof | as opposed to ending perl? |
| 05:01.25 | Guerin | s a nice easy intro, but I sorta like to not be treated like a moron |
| 05:01.33 | pipeline | There's plenty of damned perl books. |
| 05:01.36 | Loof | Just read the perldocs :) |
| 05:01.36 | Guerin | http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ |
| 05:01.38 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: get the camel book. |
| 05:01.45 | JVaughn | scary - hehehe |
| 05:01.46 | Loof | Yah, the Larry Wall book |
| 05:01.49 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah, I'm going into civilisation tomorrow |
| 05:01.53 | pipeline | I suggest you abandon the camel for the pickaxe. Or better yet, learn the One True Way, listening to prophets Seibel and Graham. |
| 05:01.59 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: *nod* |
| 05:02.04 | peterS | Guerin: if you're already not bad with programming in some other languages, just reading 'man perl' and the manpages it refers you to, in order, is actually probably workable |
| 05:02.14 | zignig | Guerin: heh , the gimboid-factor , :) fair enough. |
| 05:02.17 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, the trouble is that I'm not |
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| 05:02.21 | peterS | ahh |
| 05:02.49 | peterS | Guerin: so what you want is something that treats you as a programming newbie but not as a moron. that might be a hard middle ground to find. |
| 05:02.51 | pipeline | Guerin: Being a bad programmer will actually make perl easier. It's like a poorly-made powertool. |
| 05:02.51 | Guerin | peterS: and a lot of basic principles I just didn't know until yesterday ... but I also find that I can read syntax a bit better than they expect, and so on... |
| 05:03.15 | peterS | don't listen to pipeline (: |
| 05:03.15 | Guerin | pipeline: what's your powertool of choice? |
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| 05:03.20 | Guerin | python? |
| 05:03.24 | pipeline | Guerin: Whatever's cheapest at sears. |
| 05:03.30 | zignig | Guerin: anglegrinder. |
| 05:03.32 | Guerin | oh, so python it is, then |
| 05:03.36 | JVaughn | ada! |
| 05:03.41 | zignig | prolog! |
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| 05:03.49 | pipeline | Guerin: I hate python less than perl. Not by much. |
| 05:04.07 | Guerin | pipeline: so what is it then? C for everything? |
| 05:04.11 | peterS | zignig: pipeline speaks of perl being a spawn of satan. I think prolog is. |
| 05:04.30 | zignig | peterS: it is, have you ever used it ? |
| 05:04.34 | pipeline | peterS: Nobody knows where Prolog comes from. It is the craft of inscrutable foreigners. I put it in the same category as the Kabbalah. |
| 05:04.40 | peterS | zignig: only a little. enough to know I don't want to know more. (: |
| 05:04.45 | xam | Guerin,pipeline: IBM released objective-rexx as open source a couple of days ago |
| 05:04.48 | zignig | peterS: yep. |
| 05:04.56 | JVaughn | xam - really? |
| 05:04.59 | changeling | !nickometer ICXCNIKA |
| 05:04.59 | dpkg | 'ICXCNIKA' is 99.870% lame, changeling |
| 05:05.11 | zignig | pipeline: line, they thought tcp/ip was a plot but the same people due to its massive overhead. |
| 05:05.13 | pipeline | Guerin: C is a language for embedded developers and masochists. I'm in the latter category. In general, I prefer lisp, and I'll stoop to ruby when I need my gnome bindings. |
| 05:05.17 | Loof | Honestly, Learning Perl (Oreilly) isn't that bad... but my only problem is that Randal Schwartz is a shithead |
| 05:05.46 | Loof | Just learn PL/1 |
| 05:05.46 | xam | JVaughn why would I lie to you? |
| 05:05.49 | Loof | and SNOBOL |
| 05:05.53 | Guerin | pipeline: (oh 'so(you think(this)kind of 'thing) is useful) ? |
| 05:06.01 | peterS | Loof: it seems to be common opinion that merlyn is a bastard. I have only seen him on usenet, and he seemed nice enough at the time. this being 5 years ago or so, though |
| 05:06.01 | pipeline | zignig: Well, TCP/IP's only real advantage was that it was routable. As a network protocol, it kinda sucks. Took decades to regain the ground lost. |
| 05:06.06 | xam | pipeline: what about ADA? |
| 05:06.07 | ICXCNIKA | Figures. |
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| 05:06.11 | JVaughn | xam - to sleep wtih me? |
| 05:06.12 | pipeline | Guerin: Yes, yes it is. And if you don't understand why, it's not my fault. |
| 05:06.17 | zignig | pipeline: it seems to have scaled well. |
| 05:06.19 | pipeline | xam: I have nothing against ADA. |
| 05:06.32 | Guerin | pipeline: fair enough. If I learnt lisp it would certainly make me understand emacs better. |
| 05:06.34 | pipeline | xam: I'm too lazy to learn it, but I keep thinking about it. |
| 05:06.35 | xam | pipeline: I haven't found anything effective eithre |
| 05:06.53 | pipeline | Guerin: Emacs doesn't use anything that resembles lisp. Elisp looks like lisp from the 70's. |
| 05:07.00 | Guerin | pipeline: ah, really. |
| 05:07.06 | pipeline | Guerin: Even that is, uh, generous. Elisp is painful. |
| 05:07.12 | Guerin | yes, it is. |
| 05:07.24 | peterS | pipeline: and you find CL non-painful? |
| 05:07.32 | |QuaD| | does anyone here know how to view the microsoft eLearning library on debian? |
| 05:07.43 | pipeline | peterS: Other than FFI, I find CL to be a joy. |
| 05:08.08 | JVaughn | tcl? :P |
| 05:08.18 | pipeline | :) |
| 05:08.36 | peterS | pipeline: does CL have a notion of staticly structured data? like a C struct that you don't have to build by hand out of a list? |
| 05:08.54 | pipeline | peterS: I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 05:09.08 | pipeline | peterS: Do you mean literally the memory layout? If so, no. |
| 05:09.28 | Loof | peterS: I found a bug in Perl a long while ago...and he SLAMMED me... not having any idea who I am or what I know |
| 05:09.41 | Loof | he ranted on and on about how people thing Perl has bugs and it doesn't and all that |
| 05:09.43 | peterS | pipeline: you use C, you know what a struct is. you name the members, and can refer to them by name. all I've seen of CL is that the only data structures you have are conses and cars and such |
| 05:09.57 | Loof | So I sent it off to Gurusami (sp) and went on /w life. |
| 05:10.06 | pipeline | peterS: If you're talking about the semantics of the C-struct, well, lisp has structures, but they're much, much more flexible. They're like classes, but without inheritance or polymorphism (or the corresponding overhead) |
| 05:10.09 | peterS | Loof: Gurusamy (: |
| 05:10.17 | Loof | (I'd mentioned it on #perl in case there was a known work-around) |
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| 05:10.43 | Loof | Yah, he thanked me for the patch even if I remember |
| 05:10.46 | Loof | kinda nice |
| 05:10.50 | peterS | nice indeed |
| 05:10.58 | Loof | Linus never thanks people for patches anymore... though Alan Cox used to |
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| 05:11.02 | exhaust | how do i control power managment, like standby? |
| 05:11.13 | peterS | Loof: I've heard from one person recently that merlyn is a nice guy, but he was shouted down by two or three other people who said he was an ass |
| 05:11.14 | cafuego | |QuaD|: That evil javascripted POS won't run in anything but IE. |
| 05:11.53 | Loof | I havn't hacked on the kernel for a while... So I dunno the new maint. |
| 05:12.24 | |QuaD| | cafuego: i have figured that out |
| 05:12.24 | |QuaD| | i really want to look at it |
| 05:12.25 | Loof | peterS: He's a control freak... he's REALLY nice as long as he feels he is in control (being the teacher) |
| 05:12.25 | JVaughn | loof - new maint? Linus doesn't maintain it anymore? |
| 05:12.25 | pipeline | peterS: Incidentally, there is a full-fledged OO system, but it's somewhat arcane |
| 05:12.25 | mwilson | great... as if unstable wasn't broken enough, now Gnome 2.8 is trickling in. |
| 05:12.37 | Loof | JVaughn: There's a new guy instead of Alan Cox to filter patches through since 2.6 |
| 05:12.38 | Guerin | mwilson: and maybe into sarge, too. |
| 05:12.39 | peterS | Loof: there are lots of kernel maintainers - patches often filter up the chain from one guy to the next. sometimes the guy who takes your patch initially thanks you. Linus is rarely that guy, though. |
| 05:12.42 | Loof | I dunno him at all |
| 05:12.43 | JVaughn | loof - ohhhh |
| 05:12.55 | JVaughn | loof - alan cox also wrote the alpha port correct? |
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| 05:13.03 | mwilson | Guerin: Can't say as I care what trickles into Sarge. |
| 05:13.04 | |QuaD| | cafuego: do you have acopy of it? |
| 05:13.12 | peterS | JVaughn: Linus originally worked on the alpha port. he didn't do the *most* work on it. Alan wasn't involved at all. |
| 05:13.24 | JVaughn | for some reason i thought he wrote alpha port |
| 05:13.28 | Loof | peterS: I had a couple of patches a while ago that were high enough profile I dealt /w Linus... not big ones... just kinda semi-critical ones |
| 05:13.33 | JVaughn | alan cox is maddog right? |
| 05:13.35 | peterS | JVaughn: Alan wrote the initial SMP implementation. it has been overhauled two or three times since. |
| 05:13.43 | mwilson | JVaughn: Uh, no. |
| 05:13.47 | cafuego | |QuaD|: Yes |
| 05:13.53 | peterS | JVaughn: no, maddog is Jon Hall. he isn't even a hacker, IIRC. |
| 05:13.55 | |QuaD| | cafuego: and you couldn't get it o run? |
| 05:13.56 | Loof | I met Alan Cox once in public and freaked him out... I don't think he expected to be recognized :) |
| 05:14.12 | rich_ | peterS everyone who spends their own time to help other people are nice guys , or girls, and they are tough, don't worry. |
| 05:14.12 | cafuego | |QuaD|: Well, used to have a copy |
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| 05:14.13 | rich_ | merlin will be back :) |
| 05:14.13 | cafuego | |QuaD|: Ran fine inder WinXP. |
| 05:14.17 | |QuaD| | i got a copy through my school... i t is just sitting here :( |
| 05:14.20 | |QuaD| | i don't have xp |
| 05:14.23 | Loof | Alan Cox wrote a whole shitload of stuff... all the i2c code, etc. |
| 05:14.37 | JVaughn | well alan cox is the dude that looks like a biker santa clause? |
| 05:14.39 | jsoft | mmm i2c :) |
| 05:14.42 | jsoft | thats a cool protocol |
| 05:14.42 | Loof | he's a fairly elegant coder too |
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| 05:14.57 | peterS | JVaughn: Jon 'maddog' Hall got his start by convincing management at Digital to send Linus and alpha to hack on. he and Alan both have big bushy beards, although different sorts. |
| 05:15.00 | mwilson | OK, I definately don't want to upgrade any of my unstable boxen tonight. |
| 05:15.06 | xam | JVaughn: yes |
| 05:15.12 | JVaughn | ah |
| 05:15.21 | JVaughn | i don't know where i got alan cox did the alpha |
| 05:15.23 | Loof | JVaughn: Yah, he looks like he could be in ZZ top |
| 05:15.30 | JVaughn | loof - heh yah |
| 05:15.40 | cafuego | |QuaD|: Just trash it then. |
| 05:15.50 | |QuaD| | cafuego: :( |
| 05:15.53 | JVaughn | i got respect for all those guys man... i can code a little, but i wouldnt know where to start when it comes to that level |
| 05:16.00 | cafuego | |QuaD|: it's MS, you're not missing much |
| 05:16.01 | JVaughn | i couldn't write my own driver to save my momma |
| 05:16.15 | jsoft | oh oh I wrote a driver for bsd once :) its not that tricky :) |
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| 05:16.18 | |QuaD| | cafuego: i am taking classes on asp.net now |
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| 05:16.37 | JVaughn | or writing the scheduler... ewwww |
| 05:16.49 | |QuaD| | i have all o'reilly books illegally, but the ones i have legally.... |
| 05:16.49 | jsoft | thats some heavy geek action right there. |
| 05:16.51 | |QuaD| | i can't view |
| 05:17.18 | guestish | |QuaD|: lol... |
| 05:17.22 | Loof | One cool thing... I've met Ian Murdok (and a few other folks at Progeny and had lunch /w him once) |
| 05:17.23 | Loof | :) |
| 05:17.36 | |QuaD| | guestish: :( |
| 05:17.37 | jsoft | Is progeny still arounD? |
| 05:17.40 | Loof | Well, I dunno, it's cool in this little world |
| 05:17.40 | Loof | not really cool |
| 05:17.40 | JVaughn | ya'll hear about patrick volkerding (sp)? |
| 05:17.43 | |QuaD| | Loof: you use progency? |
| 05:17.43 | dondelelcaro | JVaughn: yes. |
| 05:17.47 | Loof | jsoft: Yah, they're right down the road. |
| 05:17.50 | JVaughn | shit's fucked up |
| 05:17.50 | peterS | JVaughn: what about him? |
| 05:17.54 | dondelelcaro | /JVaugh/jsoft/ |
| 05:17.55 | guestish | its just really sad |
| 05:18.01 | jsoft | Crazy. Is that the one thats based on debian? |
| 05:18.08 | jsoft | I remember trying that.. never worked properly :\ |
| 05:18.15 | Loof | QuaD: I've been in the midst of projects so I havn't had a spare system I could risk breaking |
| 05:18.17 | JVaughn | peters - he has a crazy rare disease... lifes kinda in danger |
| 05:18.29 | JVaughn | peters - he has to put slackware on hold for a while |
| 05:18.39 | peterS | JVaughn: oh, I had no idea. I *am* amazed that he can have singlehandedly managed slackware for this long |
| 05:18.46 | JVaughn | yah |
| 05:18.55 | jsoft | slackware is quite nice aye, very bsd like |
| 05:18.56 | Loof | Have any of you ever installed Linux by hand |
| 05:19.01 | jsoft | all clean and tidy |
| 05:19.02 | JVaughn | slackware rocks tho (without getting into a war, we all know debian is more advanced :) |
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| 05:19.08 | Loof | slackware was AMAZING |
| 05:19.10 | AvengerMoJo | Loof: by hand? |
| 05:19.11 | JVaughn | slackware was my first distro |
| 05:19.14 | Loof | Yes |
| 05:19.17 | xam | Loof: of course ... I guess quite a few here |
| 05:19.19 | JVaughn | slackware with 1.1.54 kernel i believe |
| 05:19.20 | jsoft | same here, slackware for me too |
| 05:19.25 | Loof | You can install Linux w/o a distro |
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| 05:19.27 | Loof | it's not pleasant |
| 05:19.29 | Guerin | Loof: yup, it was easy. Mak menuconfig ; make bzImage, ... |
| 05:19.30 | peterS | JVaughn: yeah. I've never used slackware (well, tried it once, in '96 or so) but I've got enormous respect for volkerding |
| 05:19.32 | Loof | but it can be done. |
| 05:19.33 | rich_ | I bought corel once to install, redhat too actuall, and gave them away right away because I just needed to get on the internet so I could get debian |
| 05:19.36 | xam | Loof: SLS first, then slackware |
| 05:19.40 | brenden | gentoo is better, imho |
| 05:19.49 | jsoft | gentoo. ugh. |
| 05:19.50 | JVaughn | yah SLS |
| 05:19.58 | AvengerMoJo | :) get to use Hand.... |
| 05:20.01 | JVaughn | and debian was back then too |
| 05:20.08 | Loof | xam: I already had linux running then... I wasn't tempted by anything I saw until slackware... switched over to that |
| 05:20.11 | jsoft | debian in its dselect days.. ARRRGH |
| 05:20.15 | Loof | Oh I remember what made me switch |
| 05:20.15 | JVaughn | i remeber getting a linux cd from sunsite.unc.edu with bogus, ygdrassil debian and sls |
| 05:20.18 | Loof | aout->elf |
| 05:20.19 | guestish | nasty dselect... |
| 05:20.26 | guestish | never touched the stuff |
| 05:20.30 | Loof | I tried to convert by hand... god that was a nightmare |
| 05:20.32 | nile | okay, i just had a meltdown. when I reboot, I get dumped in a grub shell. apparently, /boot/grub/menu.lst was wiped. I booted with a liveCD and fixed it, but now when I boot, I get the message "Warning: Unable to open an initial console". Can someone please help me out? |
| 05:20.34 | JVaughn | yah i remember aout->elf |
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| 05:20.39 | Loof | I finally gave up and switched to slackware |
| 05:20.44 | AvengerMoJo | don't know anyone have install linux from other platfrom like macosx or m$ |
| 05:20.45 | jsoft | :) |
| 05:20.46 | guestish | Loof: lol... |
| 05:20.53 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: heh, you cant usually |
| 05:20.58 | brenden | not trying to flame here, but what do debian users thing of gentoo? |
| 05:21.01 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: you boot from a floppy, net, cdrom, usb key, anything |
| 05:21.02 | peterS | JVaughn: aout->elf was pretty painless. you just had to be using debian. |
| 05:21.05 | guestish | brenden: apethetic |
| 05:21.16 | guestish | apithetic |
| 05:21.18 | guestish | however you spell it |
| 05:21.19 | Loof | brenden: If you like compiling EVERYTHING... you'll enjoy it |
| 05:21.22 | JVaughn | peters - it was.. |
| 05:21.28 | jsoft | brenden: I dont like it :) |
| 05:21.42 | JVaughn | I still remember the good 1.2.13 kernel... the kenrel that would never die |
| 05:21.43 | AvengerMoJo | guestish: I mean from using mac gcc to build or m$ gcc to build cross and then install from scretch |
| 05:21.46 | lsmith | I like it.... |
| 05:22.00 | lsmith | gentoo, I mean...I use both Gentoo and Debian at work. |
| 05:22.02 | Guerin | i remember 2.4.21 kernel like it was last year |
| 05:22.03 | MobyTurbo | I still remember the 0.95 kernel. :-) |
| 05:22.06 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: use a windows or mac port of gcc to build linux? |
| 05:22.06 | peterS | JVaughn: actually I only got in on the tail end of aout->elf - many debian packages were already elf when I first installed the system. I did get in on libc5->libc6, which was fairly painless from a user perspective. |
| 05:22.08 | xam | Loof: after slackware I started doing my 'own' linux ... that was quite a while ago ... well, and now for the last 4 years I'm using debian |
| 05:22.08 | Guerin | back in those old days... |
| 05:22.10 | Loof | Sheesh |
| 05:22.14 | guestish | !lfs |
| 05:22.15 | dpkg | well, lfs is long filename support,irc.linuxfromscratch.org, or linuxfromscratch.org, or check out http://www.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 05:22.23 | JVaughn | guerin - heh |
| 05:22.23 | AvengerMoJo | guestish: right ... that will be a trip... |
| 05:22.28 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: you better tell me why first |
| 05:22.32 | Loof | I dunno the thing that's sad...and I can understand why certain people get pissed... is I remember using GCC before Linux |
| 05:22.33 | Loof | many times |
| 05:22.44 | JVaughn | peters - i did fuck up my system going from libc5-6 heh |
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| 05:22.50 | Loof | people don't even realize how amazing GCC & GNU CLib were |
| 05:22.51 | JVaughn | peters - but it was my dumbass fault how i did it |
| 05:22.58 | AvengerMoJo | guestish: nothing :) just to test the gcc port is good enought to build a clean version of linux :P |
| 05:23.03 | Loof | I ran several Unix systems that had HORRRRIBLE dev. tools |
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| 05:23.04 | xam | JVaughn: well, the AOUT->ELF was more scary |
| 05:23.04 | Loof | oh |
| 05:23.07 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: um... |
| 05:23.10 | MobyTurbo | Loof: I used a SysV shell account before Linux. |
| 05:23.11 | Loof | and on the cray... we used GCC |
| 05:23.13 | Loof | (XMP) |
| 05:23.15 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: you are insane or just slightly off your rocker? |
| 05:23.17 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: ;) |
| 05:23.27 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: i've never heard of such a thing, but good luck trying |
| 05:23.27 | Loof | Well, it depended on what... the cray compiler was used for some stuff |
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| 05:23.40 | Loof | but GCC was prefered by a lot of the scientists |
| 05:23.41 | AvengerMoJo | guestish: well .. it is similated by Loof ... install by hand <-- :) |
| 05:23.42 | JVaughn | xam - technically it is.... but leave it to me to get through that one, but fuck up the libc |
| 05:23.55 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: use linuxfromscratch.org |
| 05:24.10 | peterS | Loof: could the cray compiler make use of vectorisation? I know gcc could not until quite recently, if it even really can now |
| 05:24.12 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: dont be crazy and use the windows gcc, theres no point |
| 05:24.17 | AvengerMoJo | guestish: right I have use it for some small system |
| 05:24.23 | peterS | Loof: and a cray without using vector instructions is kind of pointless |
| 05:24.28 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: ? |
| 05:24.33 | AvengerMoJo | I mean LFS |
| 05:24.46 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: what? |
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| 05:25.05 | AvengerMoJo | guestish: I mean I have used LFS for some small system |
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| 05:25.16 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: ok, so...? |
| 05:25.19 | Loof | peterS: Honestly... I don't know... I was 16 at the time...and wrote one program that ran on the Cray...and was shocked that they used GCC for it |
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| 05:25.30 | AvengerMoJo | guestish: nothing :) just let you know |
| 05:25.33 | guestish | AvengerMoJo: k |
| 05:25.38 | Loof | I'm pretty sure for the highly parallelized programs they used the cray compiler |
| 05:26.00 | Loof | for linear programs that were just quick one-shots like what I wrote they used GCC |
| 05:26.01 | peterS | Loof: nod, that would make sense. I imagine it did some auto-parallelization stuff |
| 05:26.24 | Loof | I got the impression that the cray compiler used the machine more effectively |
| 05:26.25 | AvengerMoJo | don't know LCC and LSB will able to make a deb and rpm competible core |
| 05:26.32 | Loof | but the GCC compiler produced cleaner code |
| 05:26.38 | peterS | Loof: but on *any* platform, regardless of how l33t its system compiler is, I prefer gcc because it's a known quantity - I can decipher the errors and warnings, I know what flags to pass it, etc. |
| 05:26.57 | Loof | thus it would make sense that the cray compiler could make use of high level parallelism more effectively |
| 05:27.07 | Loof | peterS: Yep |
| 05:27.12 | Loof | lint has just about gone away now |
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| 05:27.17 | JVaughn | wasn't there a point where freebsd wasn't using gcc? Cuase i think i remember they went to gcc |
| 05:27.17 | peterS | yeah |
| 05:27.23 | Loof | gcc handles almost everything it used to be good for |
| 05:27.47 | peterS | Loof: I actually never did use lint. I just always relied on gcc warnings. apparently it's always been 'close enough' |
| 05:28.07 | peterS | Loof: well, gcc warnings, coupled with function prototypes. lint was a nice workaround for lack of ANSI prototypes, I gather |
| 05:28.22 | JVaughn | peters - i aguree... gcc warnings and errors pretty easy to debug |
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| 05:28.40 | MobyTurbo | JVaughn: very early in its history FreeBSD didn't use gcc. |
| 05:28.47 | rich_ | I was never a stanford student but I used theior computers and when I asked them how I could use them from home, they gave me floppies for windows , which they did not support, and the other alternative was slackware, which they did support. Their reasoning was if I was a computer student, I better learn slakware. It was good, slakware makes sure you know what a unix user needs to learn, to become a linux administrator. But debian is easier. |
| 05:28.57 | JVaughn | mobyturbo - yah what i thought... wasn't it BSD licensed cc? |
| 05:29.00 | peterS | JVaughn: I actually use two things: gcc warnings / errors, and emacs cc-mode indenting. if cc-mode indents my code incorrectly, I've got a syntax error somewhere I need to look for. (: |
| 05:29.10 | JVaughn | peters - heh |
| 05:29.10 | MobyTurbo | JVaughn: they used a different free C compiler that sucked. |
| 05:29.28 | xam | these days it is not |
| 05:29.42 | JVaughn | xam - it is pretty much a waste of time |
| 05:29.49 | JVaughn | if anything it's cool just to learn how to do it |
| 05:29.56 | peterS | JVaughn: seriously - I can't remember a time when emacs cc-mode has been wrong about its indentation. if it doesn't do what I think it will, my code has a typo - it's that simple |
| 05:30.13 | nile | okay, i just had a meltdown. when I reboot, I get dumped in a grub shell. apparently, /boot/grub/menu.lst was wiped. I booted with a liveCD and fixed it, but now when I boot, I get the message "Warning: Unable to open an initial console". Can someone please help me out? |
| 05:30.41 | JVaughn | peters - yah, i use emacs cc-mode as well for what little C i do... everything just looks in order |
| 05:30.41 | AvengerMoJo | xam agree |
| 05:30.45 | xam | nile: apparently you didn't really fix it ;) |
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| 05:31.08 | peterS | Loof: I wonder if anyone in the vi camp of such a war would *not* be a vim user |
| 05:31.27 | Loof | And yes, I did use vi on CP/M :) |
| 05:31.29 | nile | xam: not at all :( |
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| 05:32.00 | kobaz | ~find gnomecc |
| 05:32.10 | AvengerMoJo | man power resource is hard to allocate |
| 05:32.16 | Loof | I donated my Kaypro 2 & 4 to a computer museum a while back ago... but otherwise I'd still have 'em :) |
| 05:32.39 | xam | mhhh, debian testing (all binary packages) are 8.9GB ... I think I need a bigger hdd for my debian mirror |
| 05:32.43 | Loof | They were actually interested in seeing an overclocked kaypro 2 ;) |
| 05:32.46 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I use nvi |
| 05:33.05 | MobyTurbo | peterS: if I want lots of features I use emacs. |
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| 05:33.11 | peterS | MobyTurbo: you use nvi and you're still a vi bigot? I thought that sort had all died out by now, leaving only the vim bigots |
| 05:33.36 | xam | peterS: I'm a vim "set compatible" bigot |
| 05:33.38 | MobyTurbo | peterS: Debian has nvi installed by default |
| 05:33.57 | Loof | Well, I'll tell you what... vi has one huge advantage... it keeps you on home row which reduces RSI |
| 05:34.07 | MobyTurbo | peterS: I use vim on distros that have it as a default. |
| 05:34.09 | peterS | MobyTurbo: true enough. I'm an emacs bigot so it doesn't bother me much whether /usr/bin/vi is nvi or vim. I don't use any actual vimisms so I can't easily tell the difference between the two. (: |
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| 05:34.31 | dondelelcaro | Loof: you can do the same in emacs if you want... there is viper. |
| 05:34.39 | xam | Loof: well, the problem is, I'm using dvorak here, and the VI keys are not on the home row anymore |
| 05:34.41 | Loof | don: I was just about to say that :) |
| 05:34.47 | Loof | xam: Then you change 'em ;) |
| 05:34.54 | MobyTurbo | peterS: vi is great for modifying configuration files, emacs for "real" programming languages. |
| 05:34.55 | Loof | I was tempted by that a while ago |
| 05:34.58 | peterS | dondelelcaro: now, now. viper is pointless, we both know that. if you want vi you use vi. |
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| 05:35.13 | xam | Loof: to what? HTNS (instead of HJKL) ? |
| 05:35.14 | dondelelcaro | peterS: sure, but if you want emacs with vi bindings? ;-) |
| 05:35.17 | JVaughn | moby - yup, i use vi for EVERYTHING, unless i ineed to edit some code |
| 05:35.21 | Loof | but the problem is that I often work at offices and such...and it'd be tougher switching back and forth than just sticking /w qwerty |
| 05:35.39 | Loof | xam: I don't see why not. |
| 05:35.40 | MobyTurbo | JVaughn: I thought I was the only one that used both. ;-) |
| 05:35.44 | peterS | MobyTurbo: thanks to gnuclient (comes with xemacs, I gather emacs has emacsclient which is not quite as clever) - thanks to gnuclient, emacs doesn't have painfully long startup times, so I use it most of the time, except when I'm root |
| 05:36.04 | xam | Loof: you don't seriously expect me to change the other things aswell ...a d x y p ... |
| 05:36.15 | JVaughn | moby - ;p vi is just so quick for me, but emacs got the cool built in coding indentions and completions :) |
| 05:36.18 | sciboy | Hello, i wish to give a script the permission to write to the files in /proc/acpi/toshiba without having to login as root... How can i do this? |
| 05:36.19 | Loof | I dunno, call it a LISP operating system... but why call it an editor :) |
| 05:36.19 | Loof | hehehe |
| 05:36.25 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 05:36.30 | peterS | MobyTurbo: this is the weird part - I *do* find myself hitting vi keys on occasion when I'm doing something small and simple in emacs. I guess my brain is thinking "right, this is a small and simple edit, so I must be using vi" |
| 05:36.38 | dondelelcaro | peterS: emacs has gnuclient too... |
| 05:36.39 | Loof | xam: remap the world! (Muhahaha) |
| 05:36.48 | peterS | dondelelcaro: does it now? cool |
| 05:36.57 | MobyTurbo | peterS: at least you don't hit emacs keys in vi. |
| 05:37.06 | Loof | xam: The reason that vi uses those keys is for their physical location... not their ascii value... thus making mapping useful |
| 05:37.07 | peterS | MobyTurbo: I think on rare occasion I do |
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| 05:37.43 | peterS | MobyTurbo: but many's the time I've inserted "/foo" into an emacs window |
| 05:37.44 | Loof | xam: http://chronos.cs.msu.su/vim/howto/dvor.html |
| 05:37.49 | Loof | :> |
| 05:38.03 | xam | Loof: I know ... the problem is, if I change the key mapping, I would have to reassign T N S ... at least T and S are very often used ... |
| 05:38.23 | MobyTurbo | peterS: lol. Since bash uses C-s in it's history function by default I don't tend to automatically do that. |
| 05:38.41 | MobyTurbo | er, C-r |
| 05:39.49 | Loof | xam: So, how much trouble do you have going dvorak->querty and back when using some other computer? |
| 05:40.45 | xam | Loof: bah. That is only a remap like 'xmodmap' ... changing ALL keys from std to dvorak .... not a useful remap |
| 05:40.50 | guestish | why dont they just have a abcdef one? |
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| 05:40.54 | guestish | is that like taboo? |
| 05:41.02 | Loof | xam: Sorry, I simply did vim dvorak in google ;) |
| 05:41.09 | xam | Loof: it is not troublesome after a couple of month |
| 05:41.23 | Loof | xam: do you 'touch type'? |
| 05:41.25 | xam | Loof: you can easily switch |
| 05:41.56 | xam | Loof: yeah |
| 05:42.00 | Loof | I have enough trouble when they throw me on one of those inane microsoft keyboards for a day |
| 05:42.06 | MobyTurbo | I touch type, but don't keep my fingers on the home keys properly. |
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| 05:42.29 | Loof | Moby: Me either... I learned to type properly by closing my eyes when I type... |
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| 05:43.01 | MobyTurbo | Loof: I learned to type properly by reading and responding to hundreds of FidoNet echo (newsgroup) messages a day. |
| 05:43.21 | Loof | heh |
| 05:43.36 | xam | Loof: learning/getting used to dvorak is the hard thing though ... after that, switching between the 'normal' and dvorak keymaps is not difficult. Ie for it is more difficult to switch between two similar keymaps, like UK and US |
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| 05:44.16 | xam | for = for me |
| 05:44.17 | Loof | xam: (nods) |
| 05:44.22 | nile | when I reboot, I get dumped in a grub shell. apparently, /boot/grub/menu.lst was wiped. I booted with a liveCD and fixed it, but now when I boot, I get the message "Warning: Unable to open an initial console". Can someone please help me out? |
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| 05:44.41 | peterS | nile: 'unable to open an initial console' often means you're mounting the wrong root filesystem |
| 05:46.23 | nile | peterS: thanks |
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| 05:46.51 | nile | peterS: so, if my /boot is on the same partition as /, which is /dev/hda1, would that be my root partition? |
| 05:47.08 | peterS | nile: yes |
| 05:47.11 | mpc | i had just downloaded and installed the new weekly debian nice new install but my question is can you get back into that nice raid config app after the installation? |
| 05:47.25 | mpc | also anyone have any good success with raid5 software |
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| 05:47.40 | peterS | nile: from grub, you can do 'ls' and if a partition has 'boot', 'lib' and 'bin' in it, it's most likely your root filesystem |
| 05:47.45 | nile | peterS: okay, I have that. along with "root hd(0,0)" |
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| 05:49.20 | JVaughn | nile - do you have itl ike kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro? |
| 05:49.36 | JVaughn | er ignore the (hd0,0) part |
| 05:49.53 | nile | JVaughn: yes |
| 05:50.11 | JVaughn | so you sure it's /dev/hda1.. is linux the only os on this computer? |
| 05:50.49 | JVaughn | well i guess it is right if it can read the kernel from there huh |
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| 05:51.15 | nile | JVaughn: yup |
| 05:51.31 | nile | JVaughn: if it matters, I'm using a compiled kernel, not an image |
| 05:51.51 | JVaughn | they are all kernel images.. and compiled :) |
| 05:51.57 | JVaughn | you mean you compiled this one yourself? |
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| 05:52.14 | nile | JVaughn: right, but the bzimage has worked before |
| 05:52.17 | zaplutus | is it possible to install the nvidia drivers in debian for amd64? |
| 05:52.38 | MobyTurbo | !possible |
| 05:52.38 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 05:52.57 | JVaughn | i wonder if maybe you need to run mkinitrd initrd 2.6.9 <- replace 2.6.9 with the kernel version you're trying to run, then gzip that initrd file and put it /boot and make grub point to it for init |
| 05:53.31 | Pyguy | Nothing is impossbile! Just improbable |
| 05:53.52 | zaplutus | MobyTurbo, ive been trying for a couple hours now, and i can't seem to get the nvidia drivers to compile, actually i did once, but it said it couldn't load them because my source was different from my running kernel |
| 05:54.02 | zaplutus | MobyTurbo, this is a lot differen't from what im used to |
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| 05:54.36 | nile | why doesn't apt-get work properly with a mounted hard drive? |
| 05:54.52 | nile | JVaughn: I tried using apt-get to install a kernel-image, but it just spits a bunch of errors at me |
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| 05:54.56 | simonrvn | @dict differen't |
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| 05:55.00 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'differen't' (2 shown; 8 total): not like; marked by dissimilarity; "for twins they are very unlike"; "people are profoundly different" ;; differing from all others; not ordinary; "advertising that strives continually to be different"; "this new music is certainly different but I don't really like it". |
| 05:55.02 | MobyTurbo | zaplutus: #nvidia |
| 05:55.31 | JVaughn | nile - hrm |
| 05:55.47 | JVaughn | nile - did you go from a 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 05:56.54 | zaplutus | MobyTurbo, this isn't an nvidia problem, its a debian issue |
| 05:57.10 | zaplutus | but ill try there as well |
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| 05:57.15 | grelli | nvidia problem? |
| 05:57.23 | grelli | zaplutus what kind of issue? |
| 05:57.31 | zaplutus | can't get it to compile |
| 05:57.39 | zaplutus | and when i did, it couldn't load the module |
| 05:57.50 | simonrvn | ravenbird: stupid bot, there was a freaking apostrophe in it |
| 05:57.51 | ravenbird | simonrvn: je le sais pas, pourrait-tu me l'expliquer? |
| 05:57.52 | Pyguy | Are there any other webmin-like applications available? |
| 05:57.57 | simonrvn | ravenbird: non |
| 05:57.58 | ravenbird | simonrvn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:58.01 | grelli | ahh, nvidia graphics |
| 05:58.02 | simonrvn | ravenbird: good |
| 05:58.03 | ravenbird | good is, like, a static const pointer to KDE |
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| 05:58.14 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 05:58.19 | guk | oh you guys would know ... I got an old Intel 440FX Motherboard with Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz chips ... it has USB built into it but no "adapter" to connect to the motherboard for the USB connectivity ... what is that adapter called so I can go out and buy one |
| 05:58.35 | cafuego | ravenbird: non is dutch for nun and french for yes |
| 05:58.35 | ravenbird | cafuego: okay |
| 05:58.48 | simonrvn | guk: it probably had a little thingy that attached to the mobo |
| 05:58.51 | grelli | guk you need something to connect to the headers on the motherboard |
| 05:59.03 | rdancer | i get ``make: *** [binary-dpkg] Error 11'' when i try to build the dpkg package |
| 05:59.06 | simonrvn | ravenbird: non =~ s/yes/no/ |
| 05:59.07 | ravenbird | simonrvn: OK |
| 05:59.07 | guk | yeah |
| 05:59.09 | guk | that's it |
| 05:59.12 | grelli | different shops call them different things, just tell em you need an adapter to connet to the headers on the board |
| 05:59.12 | guk | what is that cable called |
| 05:59.16 | guk | does it have a fancy name |
| 05:59.32 | JVaughn | Error 11? isn't that hardware? |
| 05:59.35 | cafuego | guk: Adapter? Just buy yourself a PCI usb2 card |
| 05:59.37 | guk | it looks like ... well a IDE cable connector just smaller and it says "USB" |
| 05:59.39 | guk | fuck it |
| 05:59.43 | guk | USB is supported on the board |
| 05:59.47 | guk | mas well get a cheap adapter |
| 05:59.59 | guk | I don't need USB2 for a 1.5mbit connection to my UPS |
| 06:00.13 | rdancer | apparently, it tries to ldd ./dpkg-1.9.21/debian/tmp-dpkg/usr/bin/dpkg, which is static. |
| 06:00.27 | rdancer | what do i do wrong? |
| 06:00.36 | cafuego | guk: Then buy a usb 1.1 pci card; you've got pretty much 0 chance of finding an adapter for an 8 year old mobo |
| 06:00.43 | guk | fuck |
| 06:00.51 | guk | I was hoping I could get a name maybe ebay has it or somthing |
| 06:01.05 | grelli | guk it's a 5x2 pin adapter with one corner pin missing? |
| 06:01.06 | rdancer | ``dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `/mnt/data/home/jan/code/dpkg-1.9.21/debian/tmp-dpkg/usr/bin/dpkg' gave error exit status 1'' |
| 06:01.19 | cafuego | guk: It's a fingy that connects to a set of pins on the mobo, yes? |
| 06:01.41 | guk | yeah |
| 06:01.47 | guk | that's it :) |
| 06:01.53 | cafuego | Maybe you can steal one from a box from a shop that sells mobos ;-) |
| 06:01.54 | guk | it says "USB" right by it too |
| 06:01.58 | guk | ooo |
| 06:01.59 | guk | I could |
| 06:02.00 | grelli | those are pretty standard |
| 06:02.04 | guk | awsome |
| 06:02.07 | guk | cause my bios supports it |
| 06:02.13 | guk | linux even see's that it supports USB |
| 06:02.14 | grelli | startech makes em, most shops carry em |
| 06:02.15 | guk | just no connector |
| 06:02.17 | cafuego | guk: Yeah, wander over to a nearby pc shop and ask them |
| 06:02.21 | guk | cool |
| 06:02.21 | guk | :) |
| 06:02.22 | guk | thanks |
| 06:02.28 | guk | just asking around before I do invest |
| 06:02.49 | sussudio | !fuck guk |
| 06:03.00 | rdancer | i build it saying: ``fakeroot debian/rules binary'' -- it's the correct way, isn't it? |
| 06:03.02 | guk | lets not fuck me |
| 06:03.08 | sussudio | !tell guk about enter |
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| 06:03.48 | cafuego | don't make me come over there |
| 06:03.48 | guk | all linux needs to do is support my voodoo 5 SLI (which was planned to be done YEARS AGO) and im set :D |
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| 06:04.00 | cafuego | you'll never get it out of the curtains |
| 06:04.53 | cafuego | rdancer: Well, technically 'fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b' |
| 06:05.03 | cafuego | rdancer: But that does the same thing |
| 06:05.14 | grelli | is there a way to disable dma on boot with the sarge net-installer? |
| 06:05.22 | grelli | or possibly once booted? |
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| 06:05.52 | cafuego | grelli: You're being very backwards, people are supposed to join and ask how to ENABLE dma |
| 06:06.08 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: you only need to use dpkg-buildpackage if you're actually building a package to upload to the archive... otherwise, you can just continue on your merry way. |
| 06:06.10 | MobyTurbo | grelli: maybe there's a kernel parameter for the installer. After installation, apt-get install hdparm. |
| 06:06.17 | grelli | cafuego not when your SATA drives timeout due to dma errors during the install |
| 06:06.25 | rdancer | cafuego, dondelelcaro: the problem is it ftbfs, not the syntax nuances |
| 06:06.28 | cafuego | grelli: sil3112 chip? |
| 06:06.38 | grelli | cafuego and seagate hard drives |
| 06:06.39 | grelli | oh yeah |
| 06:06.41 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: what is FTBFSing? |
| 06:06.44 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: so no merry way |
| 06:06.46 | rdancer | !ftbfs |
| 06:06.46 | dpkg | methinks ftbfs is "fails to build from source" |
| 06:06.48 | cafuego | grelli: 2.6.8 kernel eh? |
| 06:06.55 | grelli | that was the hope |
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| 06:07.05 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: i.e. it tries to ldd a static binary^^ |
| 06:07.08 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: no, I know what FTBFS is... I wanted to know what package you weren't able to build... |
| 06:07.16 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: dpkg |
| 06:07.19 | cafuego | grelli: Actually, I *think* I got around it by using the alternate driver. |
| 06:07.26 | grelli | oh really? |
| 06:07.27 | HankH | hey I was installing debian....everything was going fine.....and then all of a sudden now my mouse doesn't work in X anymore |
| 06:07.39 | cafuego | grelli: like the installer load the libata driver and I unloaded that and loaded the other one |
| 06:07.44 | HankH | I installed a few modules....so I thought maybe they stole my mosues resources or soemthing |
| 06:07.48 | cafuego | grelli: 's a while back though |
| 06:07.52 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: which is strange, as the last update was Thu, 16 May 2002 19:42:29 +0200, according to changelog.Debian |
| 06:08.00 | HankH | but then I removed all the modules I installed and my mouse still doesn't work |
| 06:08.03 | HankH | no errors or nothing |
| 06:08.10 | cafuego | grelli: Either way, a newer kernel will fix the problem. Which one you using now? |
| 06:08.13 | HankH | anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:08.38 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 06:08.38 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of herring, a little cod liver oil, and 42 rabid platypuses. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 06:08.42 | grelli | cafuego currently, I have yesterdays daily of the net install, so 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:09.06 | MobyTurbo | HankH: # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:09.09 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: strange. I'm having no problems building it here... |
| 06:09.18 | rdancer | hmm |
| 06:09.25 | dondelelcaro | yerp. compiled just fine |
| 06:09.31 | HankH | alright.... |
| 06:10.20 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: the problem is just after: dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: ldd on `/mnt/data/home/jan/code/dpkg-1.9.21/debian/tmp-dpkg/usr/bin/dpkg' gave error exit status 1 |
| 06:10.30 | rdancer | oh, it *is* the problem |
| 06:10.30 | cafuego | grelli: Hmmm. Yeah, I'm pretty sure 2.6.9 made the issue go away when I did the install. 32bit box or 64? |
| 06:10.38 | grelli | 32 |
| 06:10.45 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: uh... dpkg-1.9.21 is pretty old. |
| 06:11.00 | Voot | QUESTION: in linux, what shell command will display your fully qualified domain name? |
| 06:11.04 | cafuego | grelli: See if you can flip the drivers over |
| 06:11.12 | sussudio | !question |
| 06:11.12 | dpkg | the question is: to be or not to be. If you have one about Debian, just ask!, or ask me about ask. Questions are always welcome, so long as you accept that "RTFM" is a valid answer |
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| 06:11.19 | HankH | same thing |
| 06:11.23 | grelli | Voot hostname -f |
| 06:11.41 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: well, ldd should still work fine, since dpkg shouldn't be static... |
| 06:11.46 | grelli | cafuego flip... the drivers? |
| 06:11.48 | Voot | grelli, it only gives me the ip address that i set for hostname |
| 06:11.50 | rdancer | ~info dpkg stable |
| 06:11.55 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: unless you're really trying to build a static version of dpkg |
| 06:12.12 | cafuego | grelli: unload the ones it's using now and install the other ones. sata vs libata |
| 06:12.14 | grelli | Voot you set an IP as the hostname? |
| 06:12.38 | Voot | i had, yes, but it was screwing up my apache config, so i'm switching to the FQDM |
| 06:12.42 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: *that*^^ file is dynamic in your build? |
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| 06:12.43 | grelli | cafuego you know the net installer doesn't have rmmod, right? |
| 06:12.56 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: yes... |
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| 06:13.14 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: it only links with ld-linux.so and libc6, but it's still dynamic. |
| 06:13.14 | cafuego | grelli: modprobe -r ? |
| 06:13.25 | Voot | grelli, i know that the FQDM is displayed by XChat, but how did XChat get it? |
| 06:13.28 | grelli | cafuego oh man, I need to have my head examined |
| 06:13.43 | cafuego | grelli: ln -sf /sbin/modprobe /sbin/rmmod ;-) |
| 06:13.45 | rdancer | if i wouldn'tt smoking weed earlier this night, i could think perhaps |
| 06:14.01 | dondelelcaro | $ ldd debian/tmp/install/usr/bin/dpkg... libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x40026000) |
| 06:14.19 | MobyTurbo | Voot: don't make a dotted quad your domain name |
| 06:14.21 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: I have pills for it |
| 06:14.29 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.33 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: ldd manually shows ``not a dynamic executable'' |
| 06:14.36 | rdancer | ah, wait |
| 06:14.41 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: hrm... that's really wierd. |
| 06:14.58 | Voot | dondelelcaro, but what is the quivalent command in the Linux shell? |
| 06:15.05 | grelli | cafuego it's loaded both libata and sata_sil |
| 06:15.10 | dondelelcaro | Voot: host <youripnumber> |
| 06:15.33 | Voot | dondelelcaro, THANK YOU! You're a genious |
| 06:15.45 | HankH | anyone have anymore suggestiuons of how to get my mouse to work again before I reformat reinstall???? |
| 06:15.52 | rdancer | file says: debian/tmp-dpkg/usr/bin/dpkg: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped |
| 06:15.58 | dondelelcaro | Voot: and that's not your FQDN. That's merely your reverse. |
| 06:16.15 | alejandro_ | hi, I'm trying to get my joystick to work, i build HID in the kernel, Joystick interface as module, Gameport support as module, Joysticks build in and the sidewinder module, but still says /dev/js0: No such device. Has anyone an idea what I'm missing? |
| 06:16.17 | Voot | dondelelcaro, huh? |
| 06:16.21 | rdancer | md5sum: 0c3f451faab6eaa9730527b66d269d1a debian/tmp-dpkg/usr/bin/dpkg |
| 06:16.34 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: what arch is this? |
| 06:16.36 | Voot | HankH, what have you tried? |
| 06:16.50 | rdancer | (gcc & the whole toolchain should be woody proper. i386) |
| 06:16.50 | HankH | it stopped wrking after I installed a few modules |
| 06:16.54 | HankH | like alsa and btaudio |
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| 06:17.04 | HankH | so I stopped them from loading and it still doesn;t work |
| 06:17.45 | Voot | HankH, could it be that its a problem with X? |
| 06:17.46 | HankH | I also removed the xdm package....to keep my command login |
| 06:17.57 | HankH | it used to work like 20 minutes ago |
| 06:18.02 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: so "fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage" is one of the standard ways of building it? |
| 06:18.32 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: fakeroot debian/rules binary; is standard if you just want the .deb |
| 06:18.32 | Voot | try using XF86Config to reconfigure X |
| 06:18.51 | Voot | HankH, or xf86cfg |
| 06:18.52 | HankH | all I did since it was working was compile / load alsa modules and btaudio |
| 06:19.05 | Voot | HankH, debian? |
| 06:19.15 | HankH | I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 already... |
| 06:19.20 | HankH | yeah debian |
| 06:19.25 | HankH | running kernel 2.6.7 |
| 06:19.30 | Voot | me too |
| 06:19.33 | Voot | :) |
| 06:19.47 | HankH | yeah I;d run 2.6.9 ....but the nvidia drivers don't work |
| 06:20.00 | Voot | HankH, have you tried restarting the X session? |
| 06:20.10 | HankH | I've rebotted several times... |
| 06:20.11 | LU7DFV | alejandro_: do you have js0 device under /dev? |
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| 06:20.32 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: so this is a genuine ftbfs... |
| 06:20.34 | Voot | HankH, is it a PS/2 serial or USB mouse? |
| 06:20.43 | bullet | whats the name of the package for debian that can make sun java sdk into a package? |
| 06:20.44 | alejandro_ | LU7DFV, yeap |
| 06:20.51 | HankH | this is the first time I ever had mouse problems in X........well actually usually if I have mouse problems it won't let me into X |
| 06:20.57 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: dunno... |
| 06:20.59 | HankH | Ps2 3 button wheelmouse |
| 06:21.04 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: gimme a second here. |
| 06:21.12 | HankH | /dev/psaux protocol imPs/2 |
| 06:21.27 | HankH | I had this work a million times before |
| 06:21.32 | HankH | well....like 20 |
| 06:21.55 | Voot | HankH, first, check to make sure that the psaux file exists in /dev |
| 06:22.02 | HankH | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.12 | LU7DFV | alejandro_: Mmm no idea then |
| 06:22.18 | HankH | I tried cat /dev/psaux and nothing showed up,,,, |
| 06:22.18 | alejandro_ | LU7DFV, don't don't what I'm missing though |
| 06:22.18 | rdancer | bullet: /msg dpkg java |
| 06:22.21 | Voot | second, definately try the x config utilities, and not just the reconfigure option |
| 06:22.24 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: 7b4692f1ff065eb8f559264d22ff8 debian/tmp-dpkg/usr/bin/dpkg |
| 06:22.28 | alejandro_ | LU7DFV, ok thanks |
| 06:22.45 | HankH | I think I'm just gonna redo it....and see if the mouse works after every step |
| 06:22.52 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: that's on i386 with woody in a totally clean pbuilder chroot and just the necessary depends. |
| 06:22.58 | HankH | and see what ....if anything ....breaks it that time |
| 06:23.06 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: so it compiles just fine in woody, and produces a dynamic library |
| 06:23.09 | dondelelcaro | s/library/binary/ |
| 06:23.09 | HankH | thanks for helping |
| 06:23.18 | HankH | I'll let you know if it's anything interesting |
| 06:23.25 | LU7DFV | alejandro_: When you load the module, it doesn´t give any error? |
| 06:23.26 | Voot | ok, good luck! |
| 06:23.48 | HankH | maybe alsa modules.... |
| 06:23.49 | rdancer | so i did it on a fresh tree, just fakeroot debian/rules binary, and an error again |
| 06:23.51 | HankH | thats my guess |
| 06:23.57 | alejandro_ | LU7DFV, the sidewinder module is already loaded |
| 06:24.02 | Voot | that's weird, though, because it's unrelated |
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| 06:24.11 | HankH | maybe it stole the irq or something |
| 06:24.14 | RainbowW | has anyone here set up tmda? i'm curious to know if it's possible/easy to dump messages to tmda from procmail. |
| 06:24.20 | grelli | cafuego I can't find another sil driver under 2.6.8 |
| 06:24.25 | HankH | actually I don't think I ever unloaded the alsa modules |
| 06:24.30 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: hm, so the binaries differ... |
| 06:24.31 | HankH | mostly because I;m not exactly sure how to |
| 06:24.36 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: what should i do now? |
| 06:24.43 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: do you have anything weird set in your ENV or anything? |
| 06:24.44 | HankH | it's not in /etc/modules |
| 06:24.56 | Voot | HankH, did you recompile your kernel? |
| 06:25.01 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: try running fakeroot debian/rules clean; check your env, and try rebuilding. |
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| 06:25.17 | rdancer | what's the proggie to forget the ENV? |
| 06:25.29 | rdancer | s/ENV/environment variables/ |
| 06:25.35 | HankH | no....just used kernel-image |
| 06:25.52 | HankH | I tried compiling my own kernel at work today....and caused a machine to stop booting... |
| 06:25.53 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: well, you probably don't want to do that for all of the variables... but unset will ditch the baddies. |
| 06:25.53 | Voot | ok |
| 06:26.08 | Voot | it happens |
| 06:26.16 | HankH | so I had enough kernel compiling for today :) |
| 06:26.20 | Voot | you created a backup of the old kernel, though, i assume |
| 06:26.22 | alejandro_ | LU7DFV, i just loaded the joydev moduel (it wasn't loaded) and then tried to see if it is working, but I get the same message (no such device) |
| 06:26.34 | HankH | ehh... it was not an important machine......easy to redo it |
| 06:26.47 | HankH | I am doing alot of fresh installs recently |
| 06:27.00 | HankH | might as well try some new stuff since I don;t care about messing anything up |
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| 06:27.27 | Voot | i found that you learn a great deal by trying to fix screw ups |
| 06:27.30 | Voot | even though it takes time |
| 06:27.42 | Voot | you don't learn much by just redoing the whole thing |
| 06:27.50 | HankH | yeah I really wish I was enough of a Ha><or to trouble shoot this stuff rtaher than wiping these installs out...but I'm not |
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| 06:28.22 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: hm, no suspicious vars, at least as far as i can tell; started a new Eterm window, and going with freshly unpacked sourcetree |
| 06:28.24 | HankH | I usually will spend a few hours trying to fix a screwup....but sometimes I am just lazy |
| 06:28.48 | Voot | :-p |
| 06:28.49 | LU7DFV | alejandro_: Perhaps some permission issues? |
| 06:28.49 | HankH | and sometimes it's impossible to fix screwups piled on screwups.... |
| 06:28.52 | Voot | i know what you mean |
| 06:29.11 | rich_ | Im glad that debian doesn't require a lot of my time. Im grateful enough to not mess it up. Because you think your messing up one little bit, you end up messing up more things than you realise, and the parts you werent aware of, are the hardest to fix |
| 06:29.11 | HankH | it's nice to know that everything is good except for 1 screwup....so you know when you actually fix it |
| 06:29.27 | rdancer | again |
| 06:30.06 | rich_ | Anything you want to experiment with, you can experiment with safely. Just keep it all under your home directory or /usr/local/* |
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| 06:30.23 | rdancer | when i'm sober again, i'll give it a look with strace |
| 06:30.35 | HankH | I th9ink this time I will have an xserver going while I load alsa.....to trick it into not stealing my mouse resources....if thats whats going on |
| 06:30.36 | dondelelcaro | rich_: hell, do it in a chroot that you make with debootstrap. |
| 06:30.48 | rdancer | thx all |
| 06:31.07 | rich_ | dondelelcaro Thats true, but Im not a fanatic about it. Just cautious |
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| 06:32.54 | alejandro_ | LU7DFV, I just changed js0 to my user (it was owned by root) and I still get the no such device error :-\ |
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| 06:35.43 | alejandro_ | this might be a stupid question: I just compiled the 2.6.9 kernel and some things are not working as the 2.6.7-1-k7. For example, if I press the spacebar it will only add ONE space (keeping it pressed!) and in the 2.6.7... would add as long as I keep pressed the spacebar |
| 06:35.58 | alejandro_ | am I missing something important? :-\ |
| 06:36.11 | jm_ | alejandro_: read 2.6 input FAQ |
| 06:36.53 | alejandro_ | jm_, searching... |
| 06:36.55 | alejandro_ | thanks |
| 06:36.56 | alejandro_ | :) |
| 06:37.46 | bullet | does eclipse work with the free java sdk? |
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| 06:41.54 | lucas | can anyone recommend a good log file parser/analyser? |
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| 06:42.48 | jm_ | apt-cache search log analyse |
| 06:42.55 | jm_ | also look on freshmeat and so on |
| 06:43.05 | lucas | jm_: yes thanks, but can you recommend one? |
| 06:44.35 | Fosten | hi, trying to get video4linux (kdetv) working with debian sid... i loaded the bttv module, but i'm confused as to what else i need to load... |
| 06:44.42 | scabber2 | very weird... my web server can't access a file on a mounted raid1 array, but my shell account can |
| 06:44.43 | scabber2 | ??? |
| 06:44.54 | scabber2 | read permissions are on' |
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| 06:45.18 | |QuaD| | i am using the "unzip" utility but it is giving me errors when i try to unzip, are there any others? |
| 06:45.20 | jm_ | lucas: no, I am not using anything like that |
| 06:45.31 | jm_ | I just use my tail-like logfile colourizer |
| 06:45.35 | alejandro_ | what/where is the kernel comand line? O_o |
| 06:45.57 | lucas | jm_: cool |
| 06:46.01 | jm_ | alejandro_: it's what your boot loader passes to it - cat /proc/cmdline |
| 06:46.20 | LU7DFV | alejandro_: The parameters you pass at boot time |
| 06:47.24 | klicky | hi there, my Debian System is very slow... I'm updating nearly every day my system with apt and my harddisk become fuller and fuller... Are the old non updated packages are stored? Could I defrag my ext3 System and it becomes faster? |
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| 06:48.01 | mathieu | klicky, apt-get autoclean or apt-get clean might help |
| 06:48.25 | alejandro_ | but i can't save in that file :-\ |
| 06:48.50 | try_catch_this | I have a 10mbit connection between 2 computers |
| 06:48.57 | alejandro_ | I mean, the /proc/cmdline |
| 06:49.08 | klicky | mathieu: Oh autoclean brought ub 260 MB's ;) Thanks... And whats about defrag? |
| 06:49.20 | try_catch_this | is there anyway that I can get to actually see 1/2 of that 10mbts? |
| 06:49.29 | try_catch_this | being used that is |
| 06:49.41 | mathieu | klicky, keep enough free space and you shouldn't need to defrag |
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| 06:50.29 | mathieu | klicky, you might also consider a new hd. it's very cheap nowadays |
| 06:51.55 | klicky | whow... clean brought up 2GB |
| 06:52.17 | pwned | klicky, ext3 requires no defrag. |
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| 06:52.49 | MobyTurbo | klicky: Linux file systems aren't sucky like Windows ones. |
| 06:52.52 | pwned | it does not get defragmented in the way vfat would |
| 06:53.08 | alejandro_ | jm_, the problem with the repeat (the keyboard) is that with 2.6.7 (precompiled) works ok, but not with 2.6.9 :-\ |
| 06:53.24 | klicky | mathieu: I think this 2GB in apt files are enough ;) I've got a Notebook... Very Thanks... Should I do anything with my swap partition? |
| 06:53.31 | wols_ | pwned: each and any filesystem fragment. sane ones are such utter shit as vfat are however |
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| 06:53.59 | jm_ | alejandro_: did you read 2.6 input FAQ - it mentions something about keyboard repeating and how to solve it (make it more responsive and whatnot) ? |
| 06:54.05 | wols_ | sane one aren't of course |
| 06:54.26 | pwned | so much emotion in this channel |
| 06:54.36 | moco | QUE TALCO? |
| 06:54.59 | MobyTurbo | wols_: in most situations, the typical *nix file system never needs defragmentation - even though for sure there's no such thing as 100% no-fragments. |
| 06:55.32 | mathieu | klicky, autoclean keeps max. one deb of every package. clean removes every stored .deb |
| 06:55.47 | Misirlou | moco: ¿Hablas español? |
| 06:55.50 | simonrvn | it keeps the most recent .deb of whatever package |
| 06:56.05 | MobyTurbo | !es |
| 06:56.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 06:56.14 | Misirlou | moco: Vaya a #debian-es, por favor. |
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| 06:56.43 | alejandro_ | moco, ladra |
| 06:57.08 | alejandro_ | jm_, yes, I read it, but I'm lost in the "kernel comand line" part. I can't write on that file :-\ |
| 06:57.21 | jm_ | alejandro_: you need to edit your boot loader's config file |
| 06:57.36 | simonrvn | /proc/cmdline is r/o |
| 06:57.38 | wols_ | alejandro_: either you edit /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:57.51 | alejandro_ | jm_, aha, just put that line there... |
| 06:57.59 | alejandro_ | that's weird..... |
| 06:58.04 | jm_ | alejandro_: in proper fashion, yes |
| 06:58.36 | LU7DFV | moco: Suelen ser bastante intolerantes en este canal cuando la gente habla en otro idioma, así que te sugiero que sigas los consejos de ir al canal #debian-es, o hables en inglés acá :( |
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