| 00:00.09 | digijohn | bizio84: Did you try "pppconfig"? |
| 00:00.25 | rdancer | dpkg, inferno is `` A compact operating system for building |
| 00:00.25 | dpkg | okay, rdancer |
| 00:00.30 | baz | romulo: glxgears is part of xbase-clients, so I guess it handles its own dependencies, package-wise |
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| 00:01.00 | rdancer | dpkg, no, inferno is ``A compact operating system for building cross-platform distributed systems'' http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/ |
| 00:01.00 | dpkg | okay, rdancer |
| 00:01.17 | SupIAmMike | i am trying to switch from fedora core 3 to debian 3.0 r3... i used jigsaw and downloaded the 2 isos (the regular versions - not the nonus versions) and burned both isos to cd... how do i install? - in fedora i would just boot off the cds but the debian cds are not bootable for some reason |
| 00:01.21 | abrotman | Vegar: which version do you have? |
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| 00:01.24 | ricochet | So I tried to apt-get install openoffice.org, there appears to be some problems, so forget it. Now i want to install unrar, so I apt-get it, but the openoffice problem is in the queue? or something. How do I get unrar |
| 00:01.24 | baz | romulo: if running glxgears from an xterm gives you library errors then maybe that'll be a clue. But if your XF86Config is correct then it should "Just Work" |
| 00:01.41 | Anthro | Does scsitools work on USB devices? |
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| 00:01.54 | Vegar | abrotman: 7.54 final |
| 00:02.06 | digijohn | SupIAmMike: I assume you told the burning software that the files were images, not just files to be put on a disk, right? |
| 00:02.15 | abrotman | Vegar: dpkg -l opera |
| 00:02.15 | SupIAmMike | correct |
| 00:02.24 | sobersabre | Anthro, shall try them .. |
| 00:02.24 | baz | SupIAmMike: that sounds wrong, the cd images should be bootable |
| 00:02.26 | digijohn | What burning software did you use? |
| 00:02.26 | abrotman | hmm .. that's not right |
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| 00:02.30 | rdancer | is there an inferno package for debian? |
| 00:02.33 | SupIAmMike | nero |
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| 00:02.39 | stephenM | hmm, now when I'm running depmod it's giving me this error |
| 00:02.39 | stephenM | Version requires old depmod, but couldn't run depmod.old: No such file or directory |
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| 00:02.44 | SupIAmMike | i dont have a burner on my linux box |
| 00:02.44 | Codyman | hi |
| 00:02.47 | baz | SupIAmMike: can you read the CD contents from whatever computer/os you're using now? |
| 00:02.48 | stephenM | any idea why it wants depmod.old and where I can get it? |
| 00:02.53 | Vegar | abrotman: 7.53-20040716 |
| 00:03.02 | abrotman | Vegar: 7.54-20040803.1 |
| 00:03.07 | abrotman | that's the on i have |
| 00:03.13 | Codyman | does anyone know of a mirror for "jugdo" that has the 8008 packages for the sarge-dvd-2 package? |
| 00:03.27 | SupIAmMike | yeah - in the cd there are .disk/ dists/ and pool/ |
| 00:03.39 | digijohn | And some other files, right? |
| 00:03.43 | SupIAmMike | nope |
| 00:03.47 | ricochet | does anyone know of a ivtv source (2.6) |
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| 00:03.51 | digijohn | No README, etc? |
| 00:03.53 | abrotman | Vegar: maybe you sohuld upgrade? |
| 00:03.54 | Vegar | abrotman: I've had the problem under several opera versions |
| 00:03.58 | SupIAmMike | not in root directory of cd |
| 00:04.00 | abrotman | Vegar: ok .. let me install eterm |
| 00:04.04 | Anthro | sobersabre: You're trying it now? |
| 00:04.08 | digijohn | Sounds like there may have been a burning problem |
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| 00:04.40 | baz | digijohn: if the linux machine has a floppy drive you can probably do a netinstall with a couple of floppies, to save time burning more CDs |
| 00:04.40 | xaero | is there a way to reinstall all the base packages on a debian system |
| 00:04.44 | xaero | no internet |
| 00:04.44 | xaero | =/ |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | Vegar: which desktop do you use? |
| 00:04.47 | xam | stephenM: I suppose you want the package 'modutils' |
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| 00:04.51 | linoleum | question :) : I am with my user Linoleum , and I want to connect as an other user , for exemple "toto" ... I now his password, so how can I connect with his login ??? |
| 00:04.51 | digijohn | baz: what? |
| 00:04.52 | SupIAmMike | oh sh*t - the cd is titled debian-update-3.0r3-i386.iso - is that the right one? |
| 00:05.02 | digijohn | no |
| 00:05.08 | baz | digijohn: sorry, that was meant for SupIAmMike |
| 00:05.09 | digijohn | How big was the ISO? |
| 00:05.28 | FieldySnuts | better go with an md5sum |
| 00:05.29 | abrotman | Vegar: dpkg -l eterm |
| 00:05.38 | SupIAmMike | 568mb |
| 00:05.59 | bizio84 | digijohn: i tried |
| 00:06.03 | SupIAmMike | and cd 2 is 110mb |
| 00:06.10 | bizio84 | digijohn: but i've to use my modem for efax |
| 00:06.17 | digijohn | Hrm. Get Jigdo and download the "testing" images |
| 00:06.27 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:06.27 | digijohn | There should definitely be more than 2 cd images |
| 00:06.27 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 00:06.31 | abrotman | unless you're on a modem ... |
| 00:06.32 | SupIAmMike | why would i want the testing images? |
| 00:06.33 | Vegar | abrotman: 0.9.2-8 |
| 00:06.48 | digijohn | Because testing is way better than stable, and unstable is better than any |
| 00:06.53 | xam | linoleum: your question is a little bit confusing, but I think you mean 'su - <user>' |
| 00:06.58 | digijohn | Software in "stable" is OLD |
| 00:07.04 | abrotman | Vegar: i have that version(7.54xxxxXXxxxxx) of opera .. and that version of Eterm .. running gnome ... no crash |
| 00:07.07 | linoleum | xam: ok tkx mate , I try:) |
| 00:07.08 | SupIAmMike | but its stable |
| 00:07.20 | Vegar | abrotman: Ok |
| 00:07.22 | linoleum | xam: yes, it's that, tkx |
| 00:07.28 | Vegar | abrotman: What about X? |
| 00:07.33 | bizio84 | digijohn: my modem is not detected, can you help me? |
| 00:07.37 | SupIAmMike | how may times a year does a new stable/testing/... come out? |
| 00:07.38 | digijohn | So is "unstable". Unstable for Debian is about as stable as any other distro's stable |
| 00:07.43 | SupIAmMike | i dont want to upgrade every month |
| 00:07.44 | digijohn | bizio84: Hrm |
| 00:07.48 | xam | SupIAMike: about 0.3? |
| 00:07.49 | digijohn | Sounds like you have a winmodem |
| 00:07.49 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: You run gnome? Yech. |
| 00:07.54 | abrotman | Vegar: whateverversion is current in sarge |
| 00:08.00 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: sometimes .. sometimes blackbox |
| 00:08.03 | baz | digijohn: unless you want to use gnome ;) |
| 00:08.07 | digijohn | bizio84: Do "lspci" and look for relevant numbers |
| 00:08.08 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: heh |
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| 00:08.17 | Vegar | abrotman: ah, well I'm on sid |
| 00:08.25 | digijohn | baz: GNOME sucks :-) Enlightenment forever! |
| 00:08.28 | abrotman | Vegar: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:08.32 | SupIAmMike | digijohn - what .jido files should i download? |
| 00:08.40 | digijohn | Lemme see... |
| 00:08.54 | SupIAmMike | i live in indiana |
| 00:08.57 | SupIAmMike | find a good mirror for me |
| 00:09.01 | Vegar | abrotman: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8 |
| 00:09.03 | digijohn | Well, are you downloading this onto a Linux box, or Windows? |
| 00:09.13 | abrotman | Vegar: same here |
| 00:09.21 | SupIAmMike | downloading onto a linux box why? |
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| 00:09.25 | SupIAmMike | i have jido |
| 00:09.30 | abrotman | Vegar: and it only happens if you're urnning opera? |
| 00:09.32 | digijohn | Okay, I'll find the file |
| 00:10.03 | SupIAmMike | why would a .jido file be better depending on what os i am downloading it in? |
| 00:10.12 | digijohn | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo |
| 00:10.18 | xam | SupIAMike: testing is changed/updated every day ... normal and security updates to stable don't happen very often ... a new 'stable' release usually comes when it's ready ... |
| 00:10.21 | digijohn | Jigdo is a windows-only program |
| 00:10.29 | digijohn | sorry, linux-only |
| 00:10.33 | digijohn | Use the URL above |
| 00:10.39 | Vegar | abrotman: yes |
| 00:10.43 | scarynetworkguy | digijohn: Wanna bet? |
| 00:10.45 | bizio84 | digijohn: ok...now i've the ID of the modem...so? |
| 00:10.53 | abrotman | Vegar: i'm not on sid .. are you sure you're on unstable? |
| 00:10.55 | digijohn | Well, what did it say about the modem? |
| 00:11.02 | rdancer | or, why don't debian ppl know nothing about inferno? |
| 00:11.05 | bizio84 | digijohn: also its PCI port |
| 00:11.09 | Vegar | abrotman: Yes |
| 00:11.13 | rdancer | had nobody ever used it or what? |
| 00:11.38 | FieldySnuts | never heard of it |
| 00:12.00 | scarynetworkguy | !ppl |
| 00:12.00 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
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| 00:12.19 | SupIAmMike | does debian use xorg or xfree86 |
| 00:12.22 | abrotman | Vegar: do you wnat to try the newer version of opera? |
| 00:12.25 | abrotman | SupIAmMike: xfree |
| 00:12.30 | scarynetworkguy | !topicsmite SupIAmMike |
| 00:12.31 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon SupIAmMike. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:12.55 | Vegar | abrotman: I have a lot of apps running that I don't want to close |
| 00:13.02 | Vegar | abrotman: I could try it later though |
| 00:13.21 | abrotman | Vegar: http://www.130th.net/pub/mirror/opera/linux/754/final/en/i386/static/opera-static_7.54-20040803.1-qt_en_i386.deb |
| 00:13.27 | abrotman | Vegar: try that one |
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| 00:13.38 | digijohn | SupIAmMike: How is the download coming? |
| 00:13.41 | bizio84 | digijohn: :-) |
| 00:13.50 | Vegar | abrotman: I will |
| 00:13.59 | digijohn | bizio84: What? |
| 00:14.17 | bizio84 | digijohn: i've got the modem ID's |
| 00:14.20 | Vegar | abrotman: Thanks |
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| 00:14.30 | bizio84 | digijohn: now? |
| 00:14.38 | digijohn | Umm, I'm kinda making this up as I go |
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| 00:14.59 | digijohn | Best choice? Buy an external modem :-) |
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| 00:15.09 | jasonf | Hey |
| 00:15.13 | jasonf | I was hoping to try a debian install |
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| 00:15.19 | jasonf | and boot from my zip drive |
| 00:15.24 | abrotman | jasonf: seriously? |
| 00:15.33 | jasonf | Yes, I don't have a cd burner |
| 00:15.37 | abrotman | jasonf: usb key? |
| 00:15.42 | jasonf | I want to boot the net installer from my zip drive |
| 00:15.49 | jasonf | abrotman: sadly, no |
| 00:15.51 | abrotman | hmm |
| 00:16.04 | abrotman | jasonf: and your machine can boot from the zip drive? |
| 00:16.04 | jasonf | is there any way to put the netboot iso file on the zip disk |
| 00:16.10 | jasonf | abrotman: yes it can |
| 00:16.15 | digijohn | bizio84: First, though, start pppconfig and manually try /dev/ttySx, with x from 0 to 6 or so |
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| 00:16.34 | abrotman | jasonf: ask #debian-boot .. explain you can only install from the zip drive |
| 00:16.34 | SupIAmMike | digijohn, sarge-i386-1.jigdo is what you refered me to - is there a sarge-i386-2.jigdo, sarge-i386-3.jigdo... that i need to download? |
| 00:16.38 | SupIAmMike | or just 1 cd? |
| 00:16.45 | abrotman | SupIAmMike: there are 13 |
| 00:16.50 | SupIAmMike | 13 cds? |
| 00:16.51 | abrotman | SupIAmMike: but they aren't official |
| 00:16.54 | WiFiTux | is java2-runtime in a different mirror? |
| 00:16.57 | jasonf | abrotman: wow, and the woody zip installer is 110mb |
| 00:16.57 | abrotman | 2 DVDs if you prefer? |
| 00:16.59 | jasonf | lol |
| 00:17.04 | SupIAmMike | haha no way |
| 00:17.04 | jasonf | er |
| 00:17.06 | jasonf | woody iso |
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| 00:17.08 | jasonf | netinstall |
| 00:17.10 | SupIAmMike | you guys are joking right? |
| 00:17.13 | abrotman | jasonf: your zip is 100 or 250? |
| 00:17.16 | abrotman | SupIAmMike: no |
| 00:17.17 | SupIAmMike | who the hell gives out 13 cds |
| 00:17.21 | abrotman | !dstats sarge |
| 00:17.28 | jasonf | abrotman: 100 |
| 00:17.28 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sarge... 15024 packages, 1368 maintainers, 27511 MB installed size, 8893 MB compressed size. |
| 00:17.39 | jasonf | but it's hard for me to see why a net installer image has to be 110mb... |
| 00:17.41 | abrotman | jasonf: floppy drive? and broadband? |
| 00:17.47 | jasonf | yes and yes |
| 00:17.56 | abrotman | jasonf: network card is? |
| 00:17.56 | jasonf | as for floppy disks that aren't horrible, that's another story |
| 00:17.57 | jasonf | hehe |
| 00:18.04 | digijohn | SupIAmMike: You don't need any more than one, the rest of the packages can be fetched via the internet by apt-get |
| 00:18.05 | SupIAmMike | ok so - i want to download the net installer instead - is it a bootable cd? |
| 00:18.11 | SupIAmMike | oh |
| 00:18.12 | jasonf | abrotman: it's a extremely common one |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | jasonf: there are also floppy installers |
| 00:18.20 | WiFiTux | abrotman, have you tried installing java2-runtime ? |
| 00:18.21 | jasonf | abrotman: I'm 100% sure the module will be included |
| 00:18.22 | SupIAmMike | digijohn - so after cd 1 i just dont download anymore |
| 00:18.26 | digijohn | Yeah |
| 00:18.26 | SupIAmMike | and just apt-get the rest? |
| 00:18.27 | FieldySnuts | "extremely common" that helps |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | WiFiTux: no .. but i found out kaffe sucks :) |
| 00:18.37 | jasonf | abrotman: how many floppies does it require? one, two, etc? |
| 00:18.42 | digijohn | Yep |
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| 00:18.46 | abrotman | jasonf: i've done dozens of installs with 2 floppies |
| 00:18.57 | digijohn | apt-get lets you only download what you need |
| 00:19.01 | SupIAmMike | who has a floppy drive anymore? |
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| 00:19.04 | digijohn | Me |
| 00:19.10 | jasonf | abrotman: do you get the new woody installer by doing that? |
| 00:19.13 | abrotman | jasonf: there is also the businesscard image .. but i still don't know how to make the zip drive usable |
| 00:19.14 | WiFiTux | abrotman, OK |
| 00:19.21 | abrotman | jasonf: you can use sarge boot floppies if you prefer |
| 00:19.22 | jasonf | last time I tried debian, the installer ate me |
| 00:19.33 | abrotman | jasonf: sarge installers is much better |
| 00:20.24 | digijohn | The woody installer isn't THAT bad |
| 00:20.27 | jasonf | abrotman: i bet I could just rawrite the usb key installer image |
| 00:20.28 | SupIAmMike | so would i be better off downloading the sarge cd 1 and apt-get'ing the rest or downloading a net install cd ? |
| 00:20.39 | digijohn | Just get the sarge cd 1 |
| 00:20.42 | jasonf | abrotman: onto a zip disk |
| 00:20.53 | abrotman | jasonf: you could try .. there are a bunch of instructions for the usb key .. i'd truly ask #debian-boot .. floppies do work for sarge though |
| 00:20.59 | tsw | sarge installers hardisk partitioning part is somewhat confusing to me |
| 00:21.01 | digijohn | That way you can also get a basic system onto non-networked machines |
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| 00:21.14 | abrotman | the d-i does the same thing digijohn |
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| 00:21.55 | jasonf | abrotman: and where would I find out if the silimage module (sata) is on the woody install disks? |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | jasonf: it's not |
| 00:22.28 | abrotman | jasonf: you will need sarge installer for sata(or Hilux if you're lucky) |
| 00:22.43 | jasonf | abrotman: I want the new debian |
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| 00:22.47 | jasonf | is that sarge or woody? |
| 00:22.48 | abrotman | jasonf: that's sarge |
| 00:22.54 | jasonf | Then that's what I want ;) |
| 00:22.56 | SupIAmMike | why is sarge 13 cds? woody is only 7 and 2 for r3 updates right? what does sarge come with? - the world? |
| 00:23.06 | abrotman | jasonf: sarge will soon be stable .. sarge is currently testing and woody is currently stable |
| 00:23.11 | jasonf | sorry, I've been using gentoo/fedora, this will be my first trip into debian |
| 00:23.18 | abrotman | SupIAmMike: would you rather have less? |
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| 00:23.21 | omis | how i install gnome-core on sid? says just that alot of dep cant be installed. and if downgrade to sarge.. after change back. 2 packages remains wich cant be upgraded |
| 00:23.26 | jasonf | abrotman: that's what I want then, definately :) |
| 00:23.31 | SupIAmMike | jason how do you you like gentoo? |
| 00:23.33 | abrotman | omis: apt-get update first |
| 00:23.38 | omis | yea i did |
| 00:23.40 | abrotman | jasonf: sarge should be good for you |
| 00:23.43 | jasonf | SupIAmMike: I loved it, but I got VERY tired of source |
| 00:23.49 | SupIAmMike | haha |
| 00:23.57 | jasonf | abrotman: so if I can just figure out how to get a boot image on a zip disk, I should be okay? |
| 00:24.02 | SupIAmMike | i like to type in ____ install ___ like yum on fedora |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | jasonf: sarge does have boot floppies |
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| 00:24.20 | FieldySnuts | heh fedora / yum |
| 00:24.20 | omis | abrotman: cant install gnome with "apt-get install gnome-core" on sid? |
| 00:24.24 | SupIAmMike | but xorg is gay and wont add my monitors patch like xfree86 |
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| 00:24.35 | abrotman | jasonf: http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/pre-rc2/floppy/ |
| 00:24.35 | jasonf | SupIAmMike: I used apt-rpm on fedora |
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| 00:24.43 | xRsis | hmm what was the command to check all processes? and search among them? |
| 00:24.51 | FieldySnuts | ps | grep blah |
| 00:24.51 | xRsis | or to show |
| 00:24.58 | xRsis | ok |
| 00:24.58 | FieldySnuts | oops ps -a | grep blah |
| 00:24.59 | abrotman | wasabi_: apt-get install gnome |
| 00:25.04 | wastje | yea |
| 00:25.08 | wastje | gives me error |
| 00:25.12 | abrotman | like what? |
| 00:25.13 | jasonf | abrotman: should I need the net drivers image if I have a *very* common nic chipset? |
| 00:25.17 | scarynetworkguy | !gay |
| 00:25.17 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 00:25.22 | jasonf | it's the 3x200 driver, or something like that |
| 00:25.22 | wastje | "depends on b |
| 00:25.27 | FieldySnuts | HEH |
| 00:25.27 | wastje | blablabla wich will not be installede |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | jasonf: you need root and rescue .. at least .. |
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| 00:25.37 | wastje | just want base system and not all other crap anyway |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | wtf is 3x200 ? |
| 00:25.42 | WiFiTux | wastje, you want that gnome? |
| 00:25.55 | WiFiTux | what gnoe |
| 00:25.55 | jasonf | abrotman: the module name (probably wrong, I'm pulling from memory) of my network card |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | jasonf: those other two images are the drivers if you need extra drivers |
| 00:26.10 | wastje | i just wanna install gnome. on anyway. on sid. refuses to work. hehe works on sarge ;p but then 2 packages stays wich cant be distupgraded or upgraded |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | jasonf: like if your NIC isn't supported by the root/rescue deal |
| 00:26.33 | WiFiTux | wastje, apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:26.36 | wastje | yes |
| 00:26.39 | jasonf | abrotman: is there a list of provided modules somewhere? |
| 00:26.41 | wastje | i know |
| 00:26.43 | WiFiTux | wastje, I just installed it. |
| 00:26.43 | wastje | it wont work |
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| 00:26.51 | wastje | WiFiTux: on sid ? |
| 00:26.52 | SupIAmMike | jidgo is stupid - slows down downloads... |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | jasonf: not that i'm aware . but i'm sure there is one available somewhere |
| 00:26.57 | WiFiTux | wastje, Yes, 2.8 |
| 00:27.06 | wastje | WiFiTux: erm whats your source list? |
| 00:27.11 | SupIAmMike | wish i could add multiple mirrors and it would download while building the files together |
| 00:27.13 | wastje | "testing" ? |
| 00:27.13 | abrotman | WiFiTux: all of it? |
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| 00:27.22 | abrotman | testing has 2.6 |
| 00:27.26 | Wyzard | SupIAmMike: I'm pretty sure jigdo *does* support multiple mirrors |
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| 00:27.35 | WiFiTux | abrotman, nautilus problems but nothing that you can't handle for 3 or some days. |
| 00:27.49 | mame | does anyone know the dos command for checking disk space? |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | dos? |
| 00:28.01 | abrotman | as in .. DOS? |
| 00:28.02 | SupIAmMike | well then debian.org sucks for not adding instructions to support multiple mirrors |
| 00:28.07 | WiFiTux | wastje, http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 00:28.08 | mame | abrotman DOS yeah |
| 00:28.09 | mame | hehe |
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| 00:28.15 | abrotman | mame: i think dir will tell you |
| 00:28.18 | jasonf | mame: chkdsk |
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| 00:28.22 | abrotman | or that |
| 00:28.24 | WiFiTux | wastje, testing is not Sid! |
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| 00:28.28 | jasonf | mame: chkdsk x: /? |
| 00:28.29 | wastje | isent unstable sarge? |
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| 00:28.40 | WiFiTux | No! is testing |
| 00:28.44 | mame | jasonf thanx |
| 00:28.50 | Codyman | is there any dvd mirrors for jigdo |
| 00:28.56 | WiFiTux | wastje, now you know... go try |
| 00:29.01 | wastje | well i specifed with "sid" also |
| 00:29.15 | wastje | cant get it to work either.. says alot of deps "not gonna be installed" :/ |
| 00:29.19 | WiFiTux | wastje, use my mirror and go |
| 00:29.22 | jasonf | mame: no problem, dos happens to be my specialty |
| 00:29.40 | WiFiTux | jasonf, D O S? |
| 00:29.40 | Wyzard | wastje: dist-upgrade maybe? |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | jasonf: you would own up to that? |
| 00:29.48 | jasonf | I run www.oldos.org :) |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | disk operating system |
| 00:29.50 | wastje | Wyzard: tried it |
| 00:29.56 | abrotman | jasonf: doesn't dir also show free space? |
| 00:30.07 | jasonf | if I was IRCing using my server irssi, I'd be jay@oldos.org on my hostmask |
| 00:30.08 | jharrison | dudes |
| 00:30.16 | jharrison | my fonts are fscked up again |
| 00:30.18 | jasonf | abrotman: some versions of dos do |
| 00:30.25 | jasonf | abrotman: but chkdsk makes it more readable |
| 00:30.28 | Wyzard | wastje: Nothing should be held back when doing a dist-upgrade unless there are broken dependencies, i.e. stuff missing from the archive |
| 00:30.29 | Codyman | anyone here use dvd to install debian? |
| 00:30.38 | WiFiTux | wastje, ok, start with installing parts.... apt-get install gnome-core |
| 00:30.41 | Wyzard | wastje: And I just dist-upgraded two sid boxes today that both run GNOME, with no problems |
| 00:30.47 | wastje | WiFiTux: yea.. i tried :/ |
| 00:30.50 | Anthro | Any idea what devtype scsidev might think a USB key would be? It doesn't seem to like disk, osst, or generic. |
| 00:30.53 | wastje | can show what happends |
| 00:30.58 | WiFiTux | Wyzard, he is in testing |
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| 00:31.03 | abrotman | !steal jharrison's fonts |
| 00:31.04 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:31.19 | wastje | ops |
| 00:31.22 | WiFiTux | wastje, apt-get -f install ? |
| 00:31.28 | wastje | nm. it works now ;p |
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| 00:31.33 | wastje | tnx for all help :P |
| 00:31.36 | WiFiTux | ahh |
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| 00:31.47 | wastje | user error |
| 00:31.48 | wastje | hehe |
| 00:31.57 | WiFiTux | Layer 8 |
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| 00:32.12 | iugaldel | #debian-es |
| 00:32.38 | stephenM | anybody know where I can get depmod.old from please? |
| 00:32.49 | abrotman | !find depmod.old |
| 00:32.51 | WiFiTux | iugaldel, huh |
| 00:32.54 | abrotman | !tell stephenM about search |
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| 00:32.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'depmod.old' returned no results. |
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| 00:33.11 | wastje | anyway. can i force a TFT XGA into higher res? :P |
| 00:33.30 | dserban | Ok so I just asked a whole whack of questions in the #apache chan, yet it may be related to debian... What my problem is.. is I've setup an alias in the default vhost file in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default to point to a directory in my home directory. It works if I access it through my own ip, yet if I ask for localhost, the handler or ExecCGI is missing and my browser wants to download the .pl file. Why? |
| 00:33.33 | WiFiTux | wastje, most of, you can get the monitor sync and get the best one... |
| 00:33.39 | WiFiTux | !tell wastje about sync |
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| 00:33.59 | wastje | apt: sync |
| 00:34.00 | apt | well, sync is done on an application level. What apps do you want to sync to on ibot's pc? |
| 00:34.07 | wastje | it dident tell me ;p |
| 00:34.18 | wastje | doh |
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| 00:34.42 | Wyzard | dserban: Maybe "localhost" corresponds to a different vhost entry |
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| 00:35.59 | dserban | Wyzard, I don't see it anywhere, I grepped for it, checked my /etc/hosts... I'm baffled. |
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| 00:40.14 | zirikili | hi all... why my system hangs when I close kde (session, reboot or turn off) ... I am using kde 3.3 on sid |
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| 00:40.22 | Lusid | Hey everyone. I did an apt-get source bind9, made changes to the code that I needed, ran configure, make, and make install... is there a way by using Debian's source packages to get it to install all the /etc/bind directory and config files and all that automatically? I thought that was the advantage to compiling from Debian sources. |
| 00:40.30 | abrotman | zirikili: #debian-kde |
| 00:40.40 | stephenM | I really can't find any sources for depmod.old :( does anybody have a download URL? |
| 00:40.55 | zirikili | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | !find depmod.old sarge |
| 00:41.19 | abrotman | !find depmod.old woody |
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| 00:41.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'depmod.old' returned no results. |
| 00:41.40 | dserban | Wyzard, nm, I got owned with Firefox's uncanny ability to cache. :( |
| 00:41.45 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'depmod.old' returned no results. |
| 00:41.50 | stephenM | gah |
| 00:42.34 | lunaphyte | what would be preferred: imaps without cram-md5, and storing passwords crypted in mysql, or imaps with cram-md5 and storing passwords plaintext in mysql? |
| 00:42.36 | Lusid | Like, how do I use the Debian source's /debian/rules file? I don't really know what the next step is in building my package? |
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| 00:43.29 | Lusid | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? Is this what I need to do? |
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| 00:46.08 | Abysmal | evening all.. I have a question about h/d mirroring under debian.. anyone know how to do this? |
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| 00:46.30 | dserban | Abysmal, man mdadm |
| 00:46.42 | Abysmal | ??? |
| 00:46.53 | scarynetworkguy | !!! |
| 00:46.53 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 00:47.00 | dserban | Abysmal, and you need to make sure that your kernel supports arrays. |
| 00:47.36 | dserban | Abysmal, modprobe raidx (1 in your case for mirroring) |
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| 00:48.06 | hellmaster | Off to install Windows. Wish me luck. |
| 00:48.11 | Lusid | lol |
| 00:48.17 | Lusid | May the force be with you. |
| 00:48.21 | Amaranth | eek |
| 00:48.31 | xam | May the schwarz be with you |
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| 00:48.45 | Abysmal | modprobe raidx gives me a module not found error |
| 00:48.50 | hellmaster | Yep. HL2 is coming out. Need a dual boot. |
| 00:48.54 | Anthro | How do I use gpg to just encrypt or decrypt a single file? |
| 00:49.00 | hellmaster | rather, came out and is arriving in the mail |
| 00:49.22 | Lusid | Speaking of Schwarz, everyone hear that Mel Brooks is making a sequel? |
| 00:49.30 | doublehp | could any one dcc me the old version of xmule in testing ? the one of about 3 weeks ago : xmule_1.9.4b-1 do not work for me ... I am looking for the privious one. |
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| 00:51.09 | sunai | The Debian Network Howto couldnt help me, could anyone explain to me how to set up a logical interface foobar0 instead of eth0:0? |
| 00:51.09 | figfig | I have an xfs filesystem with a few bad blocks (percentage wise very few). The problem is that the bad blocks are at the begining of the filesystem and therefore I can not mount the filesystem. Any suggestions on the way to get the data. Note- the filesystem is 200gb and I don't have enough space to save it. |
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| 00:51.29 | sunai | sunai: addition: in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 00:51.52 | scarynetworkguy | figfig: return the drive and restore from your backups. |
| 00:52.26 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: i can |
| 00:52.36 | figfig | scarynetworkguy: I have about 90% of what I need backed up. I would like the other 10% |
| 00:52.42 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: ahm... you mean aMule? |
| 00:52.51 | doublehp | Jacobo221: and will be nice enough to perform it ? |
| 00:52.58 | scarynetworkguy | figfig: HA HA </Nelson_Muntz> |
| 00:53.09 | Guerin | sunai: just set up another interace called eth0:0, with identical syntax to a real onw |
| 00:53.18 | Guerin | s/onw/one/ |
| 00:53.19 | doublehp | Jacobo221: hmmm I asked xmule ... didnt I ? but I can try amule if it is more stable ... |
| 00:53.21 | figfig | does anyone have a constructive comment? |
| 00:53.21 | sunai | Guerin: I have that |
| 00:53.33 | Guerin | ah |
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| 00:53.41 | Guerin | I readd your question now |
| 00:53.45 | sunai | I currently have interfaces eth0 and eth0:0 working fine, I'd like to address eth0:0 as foobar0 though |
| 00:53.53 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: ehm i can send you aMule, not xMule. i used xMule long ago but it sucked. aMule works FAR long better for me ;) |
| 00:53.55 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: sure |
| 00:54.14 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: may i query you then? |
| 00:54.43 | doublehp | Jacobo221: no ... I can apt it myself .... |
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| 00:54.55 | Guerin | sunai: mapping; did you read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples ? |
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| 00:55.02 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you know his last name? |
| 00:55.08 | doublehp | Jacobo221: I was looking for the old ver of xmule ... to restaure/finish olds 'on way' |
| 00:55.24 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Who? |
| 00:55.24 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: oh, great ;) if you have any problem, query me. i've been happily using aMule for quite some long and i know how to solve quite a bunch of little problems :P |
| 00:55.33 | ricochet | Question, I read the man page for apt-get and cannot figure out how to ... I tried apt-get install openoffice.org , it had dep problems or something, so forget it. now I want to install unrar but it keeps trying to do the openoffice thing, and errors out. How can I purge its queue or whatever? |
| 00:55.37 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: nelson |
| 00:55.39 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: heh :) |
| 00:55.50 | sunai | Guerin: I read the ifup/ifdown man page, as well as the interfaces man page, the examples for mapping are exclusive though (eth0-home OR eth0-work) |
| 00:55.54 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I thought it was Muntz. I could be wrong. |
| 00:56.06 | sunai | Guerin: I played around a bit, it never worked though |
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| 00:56.56 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i don't know what it is |
| 00:57.09 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah google says Muntz. |
| 00:57.10 | Guerin | sunai: logical interfaces can take an arbitrary name, so I don't see your problem... |
| 00:57.21 | jbr | abrotman: google agrees |
| 00:57.25 | dserban | ricochet, apt-get remove openoffice-whateever |
| 00:57.30 | jbr | abrotman: (oops, slow) |
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| 00:57.40 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: So yeah I guess I do. :) |
| 00:57.42 | Xsquared | hey, when i'd like to install unreal3.2.2 ircd, and i type make install... how would you uninstall it? |
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| 00:58.06 | Vegar | apt-get install unreal-something |
| 00:58.07 | dondelelcaro | Xsquared: depends. some Makefiles have an uninstall, but most don't. |
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| 00:58.18 | Vegar | oops |
| 00:58.19 | ricochet | dserban, I have. doesnt fix it. I also tried removing oo.org-bin, deb-files and l10n-en ... |
| 00:58.21 | Vegar | wrong window |
| 00:58.22 | dis | Xsquared, you don't per-se, since you've installed it without the packaging system, you need to hunt around and remove its files. |
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| 00:58.33 | dondelelcaro | Xsquared: that's why you typically want to use the Debian packages in the first place. |
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| 00:58.46 | sunai | Guerin: Do you mean in the sense that copying my eth0 address, and instead of calling the logical interface eth0:0, just call it foobar0? |
| 00:58.50 | jbr | ricochet: use a frontend such as dselect, aptitude, gnome-apt |
| 00:58.55 | Xsquared | i know, but you can't get unreal on woody |
| 00:59.15 | dondelelcaro | Xsquared: so get a backport, or backport it yourself. |
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| 01:00.20 | dondelelcaro | sunai: logical interfaces are totally different, and have nothing to do with the eth0-HOME stuff in the interfaces manpage. |
| 01:00.39 | alnr | ricochet: |
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| 01:01.03 | Guerin | sunai: no, that first bit was me misunderstanding your question. You want a logical interface; eth0:0 would be a virtual interface. |
| 01:01.09 | ricochet | alnr: |
| 01:01.10 | Guerin | yeah |
| 01:01.14 | Guerin | what dondelelcaro said |
| 01:01.20 | sunai | Guerin: my bad - I thought those were the same |
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| 01:01.22 | alnr | ricochet: what was your oo problem? |
| 01:01.29 | nono | hi guys |
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| 01:01.43 | ricochet | alnr, openoffice.org wouldnt install |
| 01:02.09 | alnr | ricochet:overwrite problem on some bitmap file right? |
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| 01:02.30 | ricochet | alnr, yeah that sounds right |
| 01:02.36 | dondelelcaro | sunai: anyway, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 01:02.54 | alnr | i bugreported it and in the bugreport is the workaround |
| 01:03.05 | nono | I got a new cable conenction... (always has DSL connection so far) It is working in windows, the cable guy registered my Mac adress in their server... But When I boot my debian box. it does not succeed to get the ip (it find the dhcp server but nothing else happen)... Someone can help me please? |
| 01:03.32 | ricochet | alnr, thanks |
| 01:03.33 | Guerin | nono: ask your cable company to tell you what you need to do |
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| 01:03.56 | im_ka | hi |
| 01:03.56 | w_ | nono: The DSL modem is on USB or eth? |
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| 01:04.08 | nono | w_ the cable modem is eth |
| 01:04.13 | im_ka | how do i check how many packages i have installed? |
| 01:04.14 | sunai | dondelelcaro: I have eth0 and eth1, eth1 is connected to the internet. eth0 should serve two private networks, listening on two different IPs. I confused virtual with logic interfaces |
| 01:04.18 | alnr | I have the dpkg command if u need it |
| 01:04.22 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:04.22 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 01:04.32 | Guerin | im_ka: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |wc -l |
| 01:04.44 | sunai | dondelelcaro: I'd like the virtual interface's name to be foobar0 instead of eth0:0 |
| 01:04.47 | ricochet | alnr, sure |
| 01:04.48 | nono | Guerin: I found one page where one guy with the same cable company just need to do dhcpcd -d and route add default eth0 |
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| 01:04.54 | alnr | dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/openoffice.org_1.1.2dfsg1-2_all.deb |
| 01:05.10 | Guerin | alnr: --force-all is rarely necessary |
| 01:05.27 | Guerin | alnr: for a simple file overwrite, --force-overwrite would be all that's required |
| 01:05.30 | w_ | nono: Gues you tried setting dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:05.33 | dondelelcaro | sunai: yeah, that's not possible, AFAIK. No real reason to either, since any place you need to refer to eth0 and eth0:0 you can just use a variable that points to the proper interfaces. |
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| 01:05.50 | jcurry | oooh, unofficial xorg debs |
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| 01:06.04 | Arelius | How can I show my Swap usage, and on what partitions? |
| 01:06.05 | alnr | Guerin: noted |
| 01:06.06 | Guerin | jcurry: where? |
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| 01:06.17 | Guerin | Arelius: free ? |
| 01:06.19 | sunai | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks for the info |
| 01:06.23 | Vegar | jcurry: where? |
| 01:06.42 | jcurry | msg dpkg get xorg |
| 01:06.42 | doublehp | Jacobo221: yes ... I d need the address of a server list ... |
| 01:06.46 | w_ | nono: Something like "iface eth0 inet dhcp"? With a dhcp client installed, this should normally work... |
| 01:06.47 | nono | w_ yeap configured it there... it tries to get the ip at boot... get the dhcp server of my cable company and after, it does not succed to get the IP address from the dhcp server |
| 01:07.02 | Arelius | Guerin, mostly just what swap partitions are being used, and hopefully, how much. |
| 01:07.03 | jcurry | you guys have to read the topic :) |
| 01:07.05 | Guerin | those aren't debs ... or weren't when I made that factoid |
| 01:07.06 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: see in icon up left in the servers tab? click it ;) |
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| 01:07.28 | w_ | nono: What means ,,get the dhcp server''? Can you paste relevant section from the log? |
| 01:07.29 | skel_home | woohoo I'm learning all about PAM |
| 01:07.35 | skel_home | it's pretty cool |
| 01:07.36 | jbr | Arelius: use "free", or "/sbin/swapon -s" |
| 01:07.38 | jcurry | oh.../me cries |
| 01:07.38 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 01:07.47 | Arelius | jbr, ohh! |
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| 01:08.07 | doublehp | Jacobo221: the pb is that my URL leads to a too small list ... I need a new URL |
| 01:09.00 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: if you click that button, you'll get the serverlist from the URL that's right by the side of that button |
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| 01:09.13 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: it's a great list. if always used that for the last two years |
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| 01:09.29 | nono | w_ i am using windows now (obviously)... it says something like this: dhcp server: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx then it tries to register there and get an ip... but it does not succed |
| 01:09.59 | skel_home | is the ARM architecture the same as strongARM ? |
| 01:10.02 | doublehp | Jacobo221: you dont understand me : the URL IS A CRAP |
| 01:10.07 | ricochet | alnr, thanks, that worked |
| 01:10.10 | doublehp | Jacobo221: I need a new URL |
| 01:10.19 | alnr | ricochet: great |
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| 01:10.25 | Guerin | !mirrors |
| 01:10.26 | dpkg | it has been said that mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
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| 01:10.33 | Guerin | doublehp: like that ^^ ? |
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| 01:10.47 | doublehp | Guerin: no :) |
| 01:10.59 | Guerin | a url for what, then? |
| 01:11.05 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: ahm, well, http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/help.cgi?l=1&rm=show_topic&topic_id=131 |
| 01:11.07 | FieldySnuts | @lart doublehp |
| 01:11.15 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: but why do you say it's a crap??? |
| 01:11.16 | sunai | Guerin, dondelelcaro: I read up a bit, I grasp the concept of physical, logical and virtual interfaces now. Thanks to you two for your input |
| 01:12.02 | doublehp | Jacobo221: your one leads to corrupt file |
| 01:12.09 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: O.o |
| 01:12.28 | doublehp | Jacobo221: 'Error: the file server.met is corrupted' |
| 01:12.50 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: "11/20/04 02:15:03: 8 servers added" |
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| 01:12.57 | sussudio | is doublehp being a tard again? |
| 01:13.01 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: you ISP is playing with you i suspect |
| 01:13.28 | doublehp | Jacobo221: I dont think so ... I dont have ISP like AOL ... |
| 01:13.43 | Jacobo221 | sussudio: heh |
| 01:14.05 | Jacobo221 | doublehp: well, it works fine here. anyway, try with those at eMule's page |
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| 01:16.06 | kurumin | ok |
| 01:16.48 | kurumin | alguem do brasil ai...........? |
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| 01:19.29 | abrotman | !portuguese |
| 01:19.29 | dpkg | portuguese is probably the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 01:23.51 | titan | what are the implications of changing a motherbaord in alinux computer ? |
| 01:24.05 | sussudio | titan: armageddon |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | titan: depends .. sometimes it works very well |
| 01:24.13 | j4cbo | nasal demons |
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| 01:24.33 | abrotman | j4cbo: boogers? |
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| 01:24.37 | titan | the motherbaord I have is meant to be the same model.. but there are many problems |
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| 01:24.40 | jcurry | worked well for me... |
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| 01:24.52 | jcurry | i did recompile my kernel to make sure, tho |
| 01:24.54 | titan | it was not a simple change |
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| 01:25.09 | Guerin | titan: if you're using a stock kernel, you'll probably get away with it. If you're using a BYO, you'll need to make sure it contains all the correct modules. |
| 01:25.10 | titan | so the kernel needs to be recompiled ? |
| 01:25.11 | mateo_ | Hello |
| 01:25.12 | michal_ | someone just told me that it is impossible to prevent specific kernel modules from loading using solely kernel boot paramaters. is that true? |
| 01:25.20 | Guerin | titan: not if you use a debian kernel. |
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| 01:25.39 | jcurry | titan, only if you need support for something you don't have |
| 01:25.41 | abrotman | michal_: if you use discover .. it will load them unless you tell discover not to .. otherwise .. they are on crack |
| 01:25.44 | titan | I am getting ro errors |
| 01:25.50 | CAiRO | hmm, this is strange, i've installed the sqwebmail-de package and if i set my language to german/de in my browser, suddenly all the images disappear and apache's error log shows a line like "File does not exist: /var/www/sqwebmail/signin.gif" even though this file exists for sure because it works if i switch to english language |
| 01:25.52 | jcurry | titan, are you running a stock distro kernel? |
| 01:25.53 | titan | and services dot boot |
| 01:25.59 | titan | yeah |
| 01:26.11 | jcurry | titan, you should be fine |
| 01:26.12 | michal_ | abrotman: how do you use discover as a kernel boot paramater? |
| 01:26.21 | CAiRO | what could be the error? |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | michal_: you can't do it via kernel parameters |
| 01:26.27 | abrotman | michal_: why do you ask? |
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| 01:27.43 | Qo-noS | !seen tangent3 |
| 01:27.43 | dpkg | tangent3 is currently on #debian (6d 22h 15m 48s). Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 15d 9h 40m 56s |
| 01:27.55 | michal_ | abrotman: because i was trying to install smoothwall somewhere and i only had access to usb keyboards.. the usb driver on smoothwall doesn't support keyboards and also disables bios usb legacy keyboard support.. it was a generic linux kernel paramater question. i only asked here because people seem to know more here than in channels like #linux |
| 01:28.20 | abrotman | michal_: the kernel cannot disable anything in the bios |
| 01:28.35 | w_ | Please, is anyone using SunRay thin clients with Linux XDCMP? |
| 01:28.40 | abrotman | michal_: it can disable the kernel usage of the bios stuff |
| 01:28.48 | michal_ | abrotman: yes it can.. and it used to with the debian install disks also. once usb drivers load in the os the legacy support turns off |
| 01:29.16 | michal_ | abrotman: they seem to be mutually exclusive |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | michal_: it can't turn it off in the bios .. it can disable the kernel driver for it |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | michal_: is this for a firewall? |
| 01:30.17 | michal_ | abrotman: i don't care if it (the linux driver) or the bios do the turning on or off but that's what used to happen and still does with the woody install disks |
| 01:30.41 | michal_ | abrotman: not really a firewall.. brodband router with web interface |
| 01:30.58 | Basicky | I reboot my pc |
| 01:31.21 | abrotman | michal_: so basically you want to know how to enable your usb keyboard? |
| 01:31.50 | michal_ | abrotman: oh i know i can't for smoothwall.. it doesn't support them.. but when it loads usb drivers for OTHER things the legacy support is disabled |
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| 01:32.09 | abrotman | michal_: you mean for ps2 keyboards? |
| 01:32.38 | michal_ | abrotman: no for usb keyboards pretending to be ps2 keyboards (that's what bios legacy usb keyboard support does) |
| 01:33.14 | michal_ | abrotman: and the usb keyboard in that mode works up until linux usb drivers load |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | michal_: then don't load it |
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| 01:33.38 | abrotman | michal_: unless it's compiled in .. turn off the module loading |
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| 01:33.45 | michal_ | abrotman: there's no way to prevent it loading |
| 01:33.49 | larsie | How can I find out if I have stable or unstable? |
| 01:33.50 | Guerin | can't you shell into it? Or use its web interface remotely? |
| 01:34.00 | Guerin | larsie: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:34.10 | xam | larsie: does it crash very often? |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | michal_: i dn't see why not .. did you check /etc/modules ? |
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| 01:34.23 | Wyzard | xam: unstable doesn't crash very often either |
| 01:34.26 | abrotman | michal_: does the machine run disocver? |
| 01:34.31 | michal_ | abrotman: and how do i do that without a keyboard? :P |
| 01:34.43 | larsie | Guerin: 3.1 only. |
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| 01:34.45 | xam | Wyzard: I didn't say that ... nor did I imply that |
| 01:34.47 | michal_ | abrotman: no i think it just uses scripts to do the loading |
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| 01:34.57 | Guerin | larsie: then you have either testing or unstable |
| 01:35.00 | exobyte | what package contains make? |
| 01:35.09 | Wyzard | xam: Yes you did imply it... unless you're suggesting that stable crashes often |
| 01:35.15 | Guerin | exobyte: build-essential |
| 01:35.18 | bbrazil | exobyte: make |
| 01:35.22 | exobyte | thx |
| 01:35.24 | xam | Wyzard: see, I didn't imply it |
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| 01:35.43 | abrotman | michal_: this all sounds extremely odd .. did you try single user mode? |
| 01:35.57 | Guerin | !fix Wyzard's humour sensors |
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| 01:36.46 | napster | does anyone know the developer of lesbian linux ? |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | !lesbian linux |
| 01:37.08 | dpkg | [lesbian linux] a sexually active UNIX with new pr0n-get powers. Now you can get a stiffie in more ways than one! |
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| 01:37.28 | j4cbo | pr0n-get update && pr0n-get upgrade? |
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| 01:38.03 | jasonf | Nice :) The new debian installer is the best oss installer I've ever used |
| 01:38.33 | jasonf | You guys went from worst (woody installer) to best (sarge installer) ... it's quite excellent |
| 01:38.44 | abrotman | jasonf: we tried .. go thank #debian-boot :) |
| 01:38.51 | jasonf | abrotman: I already have |
| 01:38.59 | michal_ | abrotman: I don't know actually. the problem is you're booting off a cd.. so even if you boot in single user mode you can't edit the files.. perhaps there's some manual way of continuing the installation in single user mode.. but i don't know.. good idea to test though. thanks |
| 01:39.14 | jasonf | abrotman: and apparently, unless you have a *nix system already running, you can't do what I wanted to do |
| 01:39.27 | jasonf | because you have a to make a custom image |
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| 01:39.33 | lu7dfv | Do you recommend using true type fonts under X? |
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| 01:39.48 | initech | lu7dfv: of course |
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| 01:40.02 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: TrueType and Type1 are the preferred font formats |
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| 01:40.06 | shadow009 | can someone help me i am trying to mount my ntfs partiton with mount -t captive-ntfs but when i mount the drive it is read only |
| 01:40.26 | FieldySnuts | ask MS |
| 01:40.26 | michal_ | abrotman: i'm being told the scripts are still run when booting into single user mode though :/ |
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| 01:40.30 | jasonf | shadow009: ntfs is read-only ... write support will hose your drive |
| 01:40.34 | lu7dfv | Wyzard: Of course Type 1... but I'm thinking of using true type... |
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| 01:40.45 | jasonf | lu7dfv: ttf will work just fine |
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| 01:40.51 | goldfish | anyone know where i can get the w32 codecs so that i can play wmv files? |
| 01:40.54 | Guerin | michal_: solution: don't use smoothwall, or use a ps/2 keyboard |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | jasonf: you mean the zip installer? |
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| 01:41.00 | scarynetworkguy | goldfish: google on mplayer. |
| 01:41.04 | shadow009 | so is there anyway i can pull my information off the drive im trying to recover some files |
| 01:41.06 | initech | lu7dfv: TT is fine, the bitstream fonts are great in fact |
| 01:41.07 | jasonf | abrotman: yeah, you basically would have to roll your own disk image |
| 01:41.08 | goldfish | thanks |
| 01:41.08 | Guerin | but I guess you're not interesting in solutions |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | jasonf: eww :) |
| 01:41.18 | jasonf | abrotman: I just used someone elses box to burn the mini.iso |
| 01:41.18 | jcole | !slashdot |
| 01:41.20 | Wyzard | goldfish: From the same unofficial source you get mplayer from... the package is called "w32codecs" IIRC |
| 01:41.20 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (9 shown; 10 total): Build Your Own Cyclotron ;; Former AOLers Bet on Private P2P App ;; Red Hat Launches Online Red Hat Magazine ;; A Complete Guide to Pivot Tables ;; Kyoto Treaty to Enter Into Force ;; Public Interest Groups Face Uphill Battle at WIPO Meeting ;; Berkeley Researchers Analyze Florida Voting Patterns ;; Jack Emmert Responds to Your Questions ;; Mass Transit Meets The Incredibles. |
| 01:41.22 | Esaj | are there any good C profilers for Linux? |
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| 01:41.28 | abrotman | jasonf: you didn't try the floppies? |
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| 01:41.32 | abrotman | Esaj: #c |
| 01:41.33 | AprilDL | seeks newbie partitioning guide |
| 01:41.35 | lu7dfv | And which is the best? using an extra font server like xfs or using directly ttf the module from Xfree? |
| 01:41.46 | jasonf | abrotman: Finding two floppies around here that works is near impossible |
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| 01:41.50 | michal_ | Guerin: well there was no ps2 keyboard.. and there's doesn't seem to be any good alternative to smoothwall.. so i just had to leave the box unconfigured and come back some other time with a keyboard :/ |
| 01:41.58 | napster | do u know any general good newsletter about linux, bsd, and stuff ? |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | jasonf: oh |
| 01:42.00 | jcole | i've been waiting for freedesktop.org to come up since yesterday since it was compromised... strange that a slashdot story hasn't posted yet on it... |
| 01:42.06 | Guerin | michal_: so you can't just shell into the box? |
| 01:42.08 | shadow009 | jasonf: do you know of any other way i can recover my files on my windows xp drive |
| 01:42.10 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: If you're using GTK or QT apps (basically anything that does anti-aliased fonts) you're not actually using the X font mechanism |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | michal_: have you thought about just using debian? |
| 01:42.20 | michal_ | Guerin: not before you install it no :P |
| 01:42.21 | jasonf | shadow009: ntfs does have read support |
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| 01:42.22 | shadow009 | jasonf: i was going to us knoppix and copy the files to my second drive |
| 01:42.26 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: But for things that do use X fonts, the server's built-in support is fine |
| 01:42.27 | jasonf | shadow009: but there'll be no way to write to it |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | napster: newsletter about what? |
| 01:42.35 | michal_ | abrotman: and how are windows users going to administrate debian? :) |
| 01:42.44 | napster | abrotman: linux, bsd, etc |
| 01:42.50 | shadow009 | jasonf: do you know of any other way than using knoppix |
| 01:42.54 | abrotman | michal_: the way normal people do .. ssh/vi :) |
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| 01:42.59 | abrotman | napster: what about them? |
| 01:43.02 | Guerin | michal_: they shouldn't be administering any kind of firewall, even via a web interface. |
| 01:43.03 | jasonf | shadow009: I'd ask somewhere other than here.... |
| 01:43.12 | jasonf | shadow009: probably knoppix + a fat32 drive is the best way |
| 01:43.13 | michal_ | abrotman: windows user: "what's ssh? what's vi?" |
| 01:43.20 | napster | abrotman: are you high ? |
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| 01:43.25 | initech | why should users be administering anything? |
| 01:43.26 | abrotman | michal_: tell them it's like notepad over ssl :) |
| 01:43.29 | larsie | Yeah |
| 01:43.33 | shadow009 | jasonf: can i convert my second drive to fat32 using knoppix |
| 01:43.36 | michal_ | guerin: they don't want a firewall.. they just want something with qos and nat |
| 01:43.36 | lu7dfv | Wyzard: uhmm so.. gtk apps doesn't use ttf? |
| 01:43.40 | dave_n | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.44 | abrotman | napster: are you dumb ... what parts of linux/bsd are you interested in? desktops? kernels? security? |
| 01:44.06 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: They do, but they render the text directly using the Freetype library, rather than asking the X server to render it on their behalf |
| 01:44.09 | michal_ | guerin: right now they're using windows internet connection sharing with firewall intentionally disabled |
| 01:44.19 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: because the X font mechanism doesn't support anti-aliasing |
| 01:44.20 | Guerin | michal_: ... |
| 01:44.22 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: Part of your job is to tell them *why* they want a firewall. |
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| 01:44.27 | napster | abrotman: i said general |
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| 01:44.54 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: they fanatically don't want one :) to the extent that they modify their windows install disks to not have the firewall :) |
| 01:44.54 | Lusid | Hey, just a quick curiousity survey... who uses Bind9 and who uses DJB/TinyDNS? |
| 01:45.04 | Guerin | !polls |
| 01:45.04 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 01:45.11 | jasonf | Lusid: bind9 on my server (centos) |
| 01:45.12 | scarynetworkguy | michal_: Refuse to do evil. |
| 01:45.17 | Lusid | Sorry Guerin. |
| 01:45.19 | abrotman | napster: you could read linuxtoday.com, daily.daemonnews.com, kerneltrap.org .. lwn.net .. want me to keep going .. i don't know a single central source(other than RSS) |
| 01:45.40 | napster | abrotman: i wanted to get stuff in my mail |
| 01:45.44 | michal_ | scarynetworkguy: i don't have broadband.. they do.. i must do evil in my interests |
| 01:45.45 | Guerin | michal_: they are insane, not to mention a danger to innocent internet users. |
| 01:45.46 | lu7dfv | Wyzard: I see... Well, now I'm using Xchat and I don't have any ttf font installed, so I think I must configure it anyways |
| 01:45.48 | FieldySnuts | djbdns is lame (because of daemontools), but so is bind.. can't make up mind |
| 01:46.11 | shadow009 | jasonf: can i convert my second drive to fat32 using knoppix |
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| 01:46.21 | initech | bind is ok |
| 01:46.23 | FieldySnuts | ask #knoppix |
| 01:46.24 | Lusid | FieldySnuts, yeah, I agree... I personally like Bind... and once I get this thing completely converted over to use MySQL, I'll really love it. |
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| 01:46.25 | Guerin | djbdns is djbware, and that's reason enough to not use it. |
| 01:46.35 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: well said. |
| 01:46.43 | shadow009 | well isnt it based on debian |
| 01:46.44 | michal_ | don't suppose there is some "debian mini router" project or something liek that with nice web interface and usage graphs? :P |
| 01:46.49 | abrotman | napster: then search for mailing lists .. like DWN .. |
| 01:46.51 | Lusid | Guerin: Thank you! That's what I said to my buddy who preaches djb. |
| 01:46.53 | shadow009 | nobody is in #knoppix to answer |
| 01:46.54 | FieldySnuts | shadow009: read the topic please. |
| 01:46.54 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: If you're installing fonts "manually" (i.e. not from a package) you'll want to use defoma to register them with all the things on the system that are able to use them (XFree86, GTK, QT, etc.) |
| 01:47.08 | Guerin | shadow009: yes, but a mazda is based on a ford, and you wouldn't call ford for service for your mazda, would you? |
| 01:47.12 | FieldySnuts | k have fun |
| 01:47.39 | shadow009 | guerin: but for this i would figure it would be a universal command |
| 01:47.53 | Guerin | shadow009: so ask a generic channel like ##linux |
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| 01:48.27 | FieldySnuts | i might be able to deal with djbdns if it wasn't for deamontools, nasty |
| 01:48.38 | j4cbo | shadow009: the trick is, if you're asking about a non-debian distro, just don't mention which distro you're using at all :) |
| 01:48.44 | Guerin | Lusid: people who preach djb are typically a) pragmatic to a fult and b) masochistic enough to learn stupid, byzantine ways of doing things instead of good, sensible, standardised, portable ways. |
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| 01:48.45 | lu7dfv | Wyzard: Well, I have xfonts-base, xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi.. thats all dpkg -l|grep fonts returns |
| 01:48.48 | FieldySnuts | @lart j4cbo |
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| 01:49.17 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: Those are all bitmapped (non-scalable, not TTF) fonts |
| 01:49.20 | j4cbo | bah, bfgs are easy to dodge; railguns on the other hand... |
| 01:49.39 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: Try xfonts-scalable, and maybe others like t1-xfree86-nonfree |
| 01:49.45 | restrexx | hi guyz... how knows something about the break og gnome on sid?? when will be it available? |
| 01:49.54 | restrexx | :) |
| 01:50.06 | Wyzard | restrexx: It was broken yesterday, but today everything's installable |
| 01:50.06 | lu7dfv | Wyzard: Yep, right. I think my gtk apps are using those, right? |
| 01:50.07 | Guerin | restrexx: probably within a day or two. |
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| 01:50.12 | Guerin | oh, already? |
| 01:50.23 | jasonf | how broken does SID stay? |
| 01:50.24 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: If you don't have any scalable fonts installed, I suppose you're probably stuck with non-scalable ones, yes |
| 01:50.29 | Guerin | jasonf: depends. |
| 01:50.33 | jasonf | I'm a former gentoo user, so I'm used to latest+greatest |
| 01:50.39 | j4cbo | jasonf: most of the time it's fine |
| 01:50.39 | Wyzard | jasonf: Severe breakage is uncommon |
| 01:50.40 | xam | !break sid |
| 01:50.41 | jasonf | but I don't want things to break every other day |
| 01:50.56 | j4cbo | every few months is about average for me |
| 01:50.59 | abrotman | jasonf: until you're used to debian .. track sarge or testing |
| 01:51.04 | restrexx | uhh ok :( I have recently installed sid, but nautilus is not working :( |
| 01:51.04 | Wyzard | jasonf: I've been running sid as my full-time desktop system for 4 years and I can only think of 2 or 3 times things have been more broken than "slight inconvenience" |
| 01:51.18 | jasonf | abrotman: I think that's a good piece of advice |
| 01:51.19 | jasonf | but I' |
| 01:51.20 | jcole | what does flashplayer use by default for sound? oss, esd, alsa... |
| 01:51.29 | jasonf | *I'm going to miss the 6.8 xorg speedups |
| 01:51.41 | Guerin | Wyzard: slight inconvenience to you == massive catastrophical b0rkage to people who don't know how to admin debian boxen |
| 01:51.42 | j4cbo | most of the breakage doesn't result in anything more than an inability to apt-get upgrade until it's fixed |
| 01:51.43 | Wyzard | jasonf: xorg will be going into Debian after sarge releases |
| 01:51.53 | abrotman | jasonf: well .. you take what you can get .. and yes . Wyzard is right ... |
| 01:51.55 | jasonf | Wyzard: 6.7 or 6.8? do you know? |
| 01:51.56 | FieldySnuts | yeah, and that'll be in 2009.. |
| 01:52.03 | Wyzard | jasonf: dunno, sorry |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | jasonf: many things are held up while sarge freezes |
| 01:52.08 | lu7dfv | Wyzard: Uhm, and so.. If I install ttf fonts, do I need scalable fonts anyways? I mean, better install the two? or if I install scalable there is no need for ttf? |
| 01:52.11 | jasonf | abrotman: understood |
| 01:52.17 | Guerin | Wyzard: it'll be bleeding-edge recent, I expect. |
| 01:52.20 | jasonf | abrotman: well, the sarge installer is ... well ... wow |
| 01:52.21 | Wyzard | Guerin: The key is to recognize when "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to uninstall half the system, and tell it not to :-) |
| 01:52.36 | j4cbo | i went redhat 6.2 -> slackware 8 -> sid, and it hasn't been too hard |
| 01:52.39 | Guerin | Wyzard: indeed. Read thy output! |
| 01:52.46 | abrotman | jasonf: we likeit :) |
| 01:52.59 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: TTF fonts *are* scalable. So are Type1 |
| 01:53.09 | jduckles | logging. |
| 01:53.09 | jduckles | -m ignore $STY variable, do create a new screen session. |
| 01:53.09 | jduckles | -O Choose optimal output rather than exact vt100 emulation. |
| 01:53.09 | jduckles | -p window Preselect the named window if it exists. |
| 01:53.09 | jduckles | -q Quiet startup. Exits with non-zero return code if unsuccessful. |
| 01:53.09 | jduckles | -r Reattach to a detached screen process. |
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| 01:53.15 | Wyzard | lu7dfv: Scalable means the font outlines are described in vector form, so it can be drawn at any size |
| 01:53.23 | jasonf | abrotman: <stereotype>But debian is supposed to be hard to isntall, so you're super special if you get it installed</stereotype> |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | jasonf: yeah .. the mean IQ in #debian has been going down :) |
| 01:53.42 | Qo-noS | yeah...but better get to know apt-listbugs and be prepared to dive into scripts if you want to survive on Sid/Scud |
| 01:53.48 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: if you can read a manual it's probably one of the easiest... |
| 01:53.52 | Guerin | there is no scud |
| 01:53.54 | j4cbo | nah, LFS is hard to install |
| 01:53.56 | lu7dfv | Wyzard: Uhm.. sorry :/ I'm not much into fonts, forgive my ignorance |
| 01:53.57 | dondelelcaro | sadly, manual reading is a skill that many lack. |
| 01:54.05 | Qo-noS | Guerin: Scud=Experimental ;) |
| 01:54.15 | jasonf | abrotman: Whenever I tried woody, abuot a year ago, this place was very non-helpful |
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| 01:54.26 | abrotman | jasonf: depends on the time of day . it really does |
| 01:54.33 | abrotman | jasonf: and also . i wasn't here much a year ago :) |
| 01:54.36 | Guerin | Qo-noS: no, that's not the case. It's about as valid as the SID = still in development thang |
| 01:54.38 | jasonf | abrotman: but now ... people in here are as nice as people in #gentoo ... but everyone likes to flame the idiots, which seems to be missing from #gentoo ;) |
| 01:55.18 | dondelelcaro | no one likes to flame the idiots... it's more of a case that no one wants to deal with them at all. |
| 01:55.18 | jcole | i think flash is using esd |
| 01:55.20 | Qo-noS | Guerin: Scud is not an official name in any way BUT seems the best most fitting description for this incomplete branch ;) |
| 01:55.34 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: heh. |
| 01:55.46 | |200t | i build a 2.6.8.1 kernel for debian and when i rebooted i got "VFS: cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1)" anyone know what this is about? |
| 01:55.55 | Guerin | !made up terminology |
| 01:56.15 | Qo-noS | Gerin: there are a few Gentoo folks in this channel know of one from singapore in here atm |
| 01:56.20 | lu7dfv | Experimental? So there is a Debian branch that is more bleeding edge than sid itself? |
| 01:56.25 | xam | jasonf: well, the thing is that we usually can distiguish the idiots from the rest in this channel, whereas in #gentoo it is a little bit difficult ;) |
| 01:56.30 | scarynetworkguy | |200t: 1st get a nick that doesn't suck. 2nd build a proper kernel. With your fs and ide in. |
| 01:56.41 | dondelelcaro | |200t: you have devfs mounting at boot, and you've got the wrong root device because of it. |
| 01:56.44 | Guerin | lu7dfv: it's not even a whole branch, more like a slender twig that you're insane to go out on |
| 01:56.49 | restrexx | mmm guyz, i'm going to fotmat :( waa :''( byez, i'm going to install sarge :S |
| 01:56.53 | |200t | dude grow up... |
| 01:56.59 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: dpkg seems to be dropping factoids like wicked |
| 01:57.02 | lu7dfv | Guerin: Ah, I see |
| 01:57.17 | jasonf | xam: hehe :) I consider myself an intermediate linux user who knows he isn't an expert ... gentoo has too many people who think they are experts when they aren't |
| 01:57.21 | abrotman | jasonf: we do get a lot of them .. espeically when we have a lot of people using debian-based stuff |
| 01:57.22 | Qo-noS | lu7dfv: not a complete distrib by itslef. And you are asking for trouble if you are not acquanted with the idea of "if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces" philo |
| 01:57.25 | Guerin | Qo-noS: that's nice. |
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| 01:57.44 | scarynetworkguy | !nickometer |200t |
| 01:57.44 | dpkg | '|200t' is 52.000% lame, scarynetworkguy |
| 01:57.47 | Qo-noS | Geurin: they sink i.e. those Gentoo folks ;) |
| 01:57.51 | |200t | scarynetworkguy, are you always an asshole right off the bad or am I just lucky? |
| 01:57.56 | lu7dfv | philo? |
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| 01:57.59 | scarynetworkguy | Oh much less than I would have thought. |
| 01:58.01 | abrotman | |200t: just luck :) |
| 01:58.04 | Guerin | experimental means "debian's package maintainers get to experiment with your box", not "I get to experiment with some packages", as some people think |
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| 01:58.16 | jcole | Integrated Digital I/O Toolkit |
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| 01:58.28 | jcole | idiot |
| 01:58.28 | Guerin | jcole: heh |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | |200t: did you inlcude your rootfs? .. did you include ide drivers? |
| 01:58.34 | scarynetworkguy | |200t: Also note that I told you what is wrong with your box. |
| 01:58.46 | xam | jasonf: well, I don't care about those people ... If they think they are experts, let them screw up their system. |
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| 01:58.52 | jasonf | is there any way to install the suggested packages apt brings up as well as the hard deps? |
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| 01:59.01 | bbrazil | jasonf: aptitude |
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| 01:59.08 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: use a frontend, like aptitude instead of apt-get if that's what you want. |
| 01:59.09 | Qo-noS | lu7dfv: listen to what geurin just said. But in reality there are folks who do apt-get stuff from it but do so expecting to get hands real dirty |
| 01:59.10 | jasonf | xam: yeah, but the problem is they give the rest of us a bad name and screw up the noobs systems |
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| 01:59.50 | jasonf | dondelelcaro: bbrazil: ah, simple enough :) aptitiude install foo :) that's nice |
| 01:59.57 | lu7dfv | Well, I first intented to install slink on june 2000 and failed, later I used potato, testing, woody, and now I'm on sid after a year and a half without linux... and I fill pretty comfortable |
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| 02:00.13 | bbrazil | jasonf: I'm not sure it pulls them in automatically, you might need to config something or pass an option |
| 02:00.14 | lu7dfv | Qo-noS: Yes! I've understand, thanks :-) |
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| 02:00.22 | Qo-noS | lu7dfv: well, its your choice. ;) |
| 02:00.33 | jasonf | bbrazil: it did |
| 02:00.37 | Qo-noS | lu7dfv: you have been warned |
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| 02:00.45 | xam | jasonf: actually I don't give a fuck when it come to the opinion of noobs about me ... |
| 02:00.50 | exobyte | I'm looking for a hard drive that lets me install dimms to store data on. Lets say volitility isn't a big deal |
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| 02:01.14 | lu7dfv | Qo-noS: Well, I'm on sid and when I want something that has dependencies problems or somesuch I try to pack my own deb, I guess I will stay this way |
| 02:01.16 | Guerin | lu7dfv: there's typically no point to use experimental, unless you want to thrash some specific packages that are in there |
| 02:01.55 | xam | jasonf: so for that matter, I don't care if those 'experts' scare away noobs and other people. I use linux/*bsd because I like it, and because it works for me ;) |
| 02:02.29 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: it doesn't install them automatically, but if you actually use the frontend, you can choose whether or not to install them. |
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| 02:02.35 | mejo | hi |
| 02:02.38 | mejo | i just tried to compile a custom kernel with make-kpkg, applying the host-skas patch. |
| 02:02.41 | mejo | no matter whether i use the --append-to-version option, make-kpkg fails at the end with |
| 02:02.45 | mejo | does make-kpkg patch the kernel version with patchnames it applied? |
| 02:02.46 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: you usually don't want to install Suggests: automatically, because they're often not what you actually want to do. |
| 02:02.53 | jasonf | dondelelcaro: it did ... I did aptitude install fluxconf, and it pulled in all the suggested packages as well |
| 02:03.10 | lu7dfv | mejo: Check the Makefile |
| 02:03.10 | mejo | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-skas3-v7 |
| 02:03.11 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: uh, fluxconf doesn't suggest anything |
| 02:03.23 | mejo | lu7dfv: which makefile? the kernel makefile? |
| 02:03.35 | Qo-noS | I know madduck was questioning the merit of having an experimental repo at all, then some others chipped in by saying the same i.e. why the need to to support obscure archs like e.g. mips on #debian-devel just the other day |
| 02:03.37 | lu7dfv | mejo: Generally the appended part of the version is put in EXTRAVERSION=blah in the Makefile |
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| 02:03.39 | bbrazil | dondelelcaro: might be recursive suggests in there |
| 02:03.40 | lu7dfv | mejo: Yes |
| 02:03.57 | mejo | lu7dfv: so, that's a bug. |
| 02:03.58 | dondelelcaro | bbrazil: hopefully not from the lib* packages that it requires... |
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| 02:04.02 | dondelelcaro | !depends fluxconf |
| 02:04.04 | dpkg | fluxconf: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.2.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.2.3), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.2.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.2.1) |
| 02:04.10 | lu7dfv | mejo: Why? |
| 02:04.27 | mejo | if i set the version in changelog to '2.6.9-i386' error is: |
| 02:04.28 | mejo | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-skas3-v7 |
| 02:04.28 | jasonf | bbr |
| 02:04.29 | jasonf | brb |
| 02:04.45 | bbrazil | dondelelcaro: libc6 has 2 suggests, fluxconf has 1 reccomend |
| 02:04.46 | mejo | if i set the version in changelog to '2.6.9-skas3-v7' error is: |
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| 02:04.50 | Guerin | mejo, lu7dfv: be aware that debian kernel builds work differently to "typical" kernel builds. |
| 02:05.01 | dondelelcaro | bbrazil: yeah, recommends are totally different. |
| 02:05.01 | mejo | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9-skas3-v7, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-skas3-v7-skas3-v7 |
| 02:05.05 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 02:05.05 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 02:05.19 | dondelelcaro | mejo: you haven't run make-kpkg clean; then make kpkg --append-to-version foo clean; yet. |
| 02:05.27 | dondelelcaro | mejo: see the kp mantra. |
| 02:05.41 | lu7dfv | Uhm :/ |
| 02:05.44 | mejo | ah |
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| 02:06.44 | lu7dfv | I justo configure it manually with menuconfig and later I do make-kpkg --revision blah1111 kernel_image and install the generated deb it works for me :/ |
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| 02:07.59 | mejo | ok, now i've done: make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --append-to-version -i386; make-kpkg --append-to-version -i386 --added-patches skas kernel_image |
| 02:08.06 | Guerin | hrm, thos targets should jbe replaced with "binary" |
| 02:08.13 | mejo | let's see whether this one works. |
| 02:08.31 | dondelelcaro | mejo: use the --added-patches skas in the second clean target. |
| 02:08.43 | dondelelcaro | mejo: ala make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --append-to-version -i386 --added-patches skas clean; |
| 02:08.48 | puff | Here's an odd question, what do people think is the best debian installation tutorial? |
| 02:08.57 | dondelelcaro | puff: read the install manual. |
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| 02:09.06 | mejo | dondelelcaro: ah, i'll tr< |
| 02:09.08 | bbrazil | my apt.conf isn't world readable (contains cleartext password), is there any way I can get aptitude/apt-cache to work without it as a normal user? |
| 02:09.10 | dondelelcaro | puff: it's remarkably complete, and logically laid out |
| 02:09.14 | puff | dondel So you think the standard debian install manual is a good as it gets? |
| 02:09.22 | Guerin | puff: boot from cd, type "linux", wait, enter password when prompted, reboot, done. |
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| 02:09.39 | puff | Guerin You're a big help :-) |
| 02:10.26 | lu7dfv | Mmmm I have a FAT32 partition and only root can 'cd' to it... When I used to have woody, my fstab looked the same, but normal users can 'cd' to fat32 partitions under /mnt (however not mount or unmount) |
| 02:10.34 | Guerin | bbrazil: put your user in a group which has read access to that file |
| 02:10.49 | scarynetworkguy | lu7dfv: fix your /etc/fstab |
| 02:11.01 | dondelelcaro | lu7dfv: you don't have the proper umask, fmask, dmask, uid or gid options set. |
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| 02:11.33 | bbrazil | Guerin: hmm, actually that would work and doesn't create additional risk. thanks |
| 02:11.51 | lu7dfv | dondelelcaro: Ah.. :/ man mount for those? |
| 02:12.07 | dondelelcaro | lu7dfv: yes. |
| 02:12.13 | lu7dfv | dondelelcaro: Thanks a lot |
| 02:12.21 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you asked about made up terminology a month ago, and the factoid didn't exist then either. |
| 02:12.36 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: I made it. |
| 02:12.48 | Guerin | (or I believe I did) |
| 02:12.53 | Guerin | !be phated |
| 02:13.18 | Guerin | but the "be phated" factoid, frivolous though it is, has disappeared a couple times in the past 24 hours |
| 02:13.20 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, it didn't exist on 10202004... |
| 02:13.46 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it's 'be phated barbie' |
| 02:13.52 | Guerin | no, I made another |
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| 02:14.09 | Trev_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:14.29 | Phated | Guerin: Damnit stop highlighting me. |
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| 02:15.17 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yes, someone deleted i8t. |
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| 02:15.50 | jaymez | how can i disable direct root ssh login |
| 02:16.12 | sussudio | jaymez: probably by rtfm'ing |
| 02:16.17 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: don't deleted factoids show in listkeys as # be phated DEL # or somesuch? |
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| 02:16.34 | dondelelcaro | jaymez: PermitRootLogin no; man sshd_config |
| 02:16.48 | abrotman | jaymez: man sshd_config |
| 02:17.02 | sussudio | jaymez: why do you even ask? as far as i know it's the default in debian. are you using debian? |
| 02:17.02 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: not if they're deleted right after they're made... |
| 02:17.08 | Guerin | ah, right |
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| 02:18.11 | Guerin | ah well, that's not as big a deal as if dpkg was just losing them randomly |
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| 02:19.17 | mejo | dondelelcaro: ok, i used both --append-to-version and --added-patches in second clean, but it doesn't help: |
| 02:19.23 | bbrazil | sussudio: default in woody was to allow it IIRC, think it changed in sarge |
| 02:19.24 | mejo | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9-i386, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-i386-skas3-v7 |
| 02:19.30 | Compound-4 | n8i all |
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| 02:19.36 | lu7dfv | Uhm I think that in my old installation my normal user was probably part of some privileged group, because in my old fstab uid, gid, and so on were unset |
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| 02:19.58 | dondelelcaro | mejo: hrm... the patch is changing the VERSION when it probably shouldn't be. |
| 02:20.05 | dondelelcaro | mejo: ditch that part of the patch |
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| 02:21.36 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 02:23.46 | zulu | I think my cpu is broken cause, it use to be very hot and because my box randomly crash |
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| 02:24.01 | zulu | now I'm compiling a kernel but gcc segfault randomly |
| 02:24.08 | zulu | is there a way to test a cpu? |
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| 02:24.34 | scarynetworkguy | zulu: swap it out with a known good one. But yeah what you are describing is very likely a bad chip. |
| 02:24.40 | Lin | hi all |
| 02:24.54 | Lin | there is support to SATA in d-i? |
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| 02:25.15 | Lin | sarge D-i.. |
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| 02:26.17 | zulu | bouhhhhh :'( |
| 02:26.46 | Guerin | Lin: yes, but not for every controller in existence. |
| 02:26.53 | zulu | scarynetworkguy, I don't have another one but is there a soft to test every single instruction or something like that? |
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| 02:27.51 | scarynetworkguy | zulu: not that I know of. You might google or look at p.d.o for some kind of burn in suite. |
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| 02:28.54 | Lin | Guerin: lspci didn't shows me anything about sata.. just: 0000:00:08.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation nForce2 External PCI Bridge (rev a3) |
| 02:28.57 | Lin | 0000:00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation nForce2 IDE (rev a2) |
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| 02:29.24 | Lin | Guerin: maybe this ;-) 0000:01:0b.0 RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. (formerly CMD Technology Inc) SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
| 02:29.43 | abrocadabro | hi, i just got sarge installed on thinkpad R50, but the suspend to ram doesn't seem to work, Fn+F4 doesn't generate any events at all, any ideas? |
| 02:30.03 | abrocadabro | BTW, i am using ACPI |
| 02:30.22 | Guerin | Lin: Yeah, that's the sata controoller. I don't know if that one is supported; the best way is to download a businesscard iso and test it with a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 02:31.12 | Lin | Guerin: ok. I will do that.. thank you |
| 02:32.41 | FieldySnuts | suspend to ram is VERY broken, don't rely on it |
| 02:32.55 | FieldySnuts | probably will be forever |
| 02:33.06 | abrotman | abrocadabro: check linux-laptop.net |
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| 02:38.09 | aFlag | does anyone know wheter kdelibs 3.3 will be released to sarge or not? |
| 02:38.10 | skel_home | Lin: anything in /proc ? |
| 02:38.24 | d|m | skel_home: about? |
| 02:39.02 | abrotman | aFlag: doubtful |
| 02:39.10 | skel_home | d|m: sorry I only caught a bit of the convo.. you're looking for info about your sata? |
| 02:39.21 | abrotman | aFlag: /msg sarge stable .. last link .. look for the part about kde |
| 02:39.41 | d|m | skel_home: yes.. My sata driver is found, in my old and fashioned box.. |
| 02:39.59 | d|m | I want to reinstall the system to boot in SATA |
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| 02:40.23 | skel_home | ah |
| 02:40.28 | FieldySnuts | badger sex? |
| 02:41.10 | debian | what wlan analyizer you'd recommend? |
| 02:41.15 | Lin | skel_home: I think that I will do the worse thing, install everything using boot strap in my running system |
| 02:41.30 | skel_home | Lin: can you just disable the ide controller in the bios? |
| 02:41.32 | Lin | I dont want reboot now ;-) |
| 02:41.39 | skel_home | Lin: ah ok |
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| 02:42.15 | skel_home | Lin: usermodelinux :) but I don't know how well it works with block devices |
| 02:42.20 | skel_home | Lin: also, try qemu |
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| 02:42.28 | Lin | skel_home: yes.. sure.. but I have 4 ide disks.. And I didn't have more power connectors .. I have to buy a splitters |
| 02:42.30 | skel_home | Lin: start another linux system within |
| 02:42.41 | skel_home | Lin: gotcha |
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| 02:43.16 | Lin | skel_home: then my dvd drive it's unplugged ... |
| 02:43.34 | Lin | skel_home: I don't want turn off my disks.. I love them all |
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| 02:45.18 | exobyte | what program can I use to display what remote hosts I'm connected to? |
| 02:45.27 | abrotman | netstat |
| 02:45.34 | Caveman- | anyone know a way to see what packets iptables is dropping without using a log file ? |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | #iptables |
| 02:45.42 | exobyte | abrotman: doesn't that tell me a lot more, too? |
| 02:45.44 | jetscreamer | su: Authentication failure what do i do/look at |
| 02:45.46 | jetscreamer | it used to 'just work' |
| 02:45.50 | abrotman | exobyte: use the man page |
| 02:46.15 | dondelelcaro | USE THE MAN PAGE, LUKE! |
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| 02:46.54 | jaymez | i dont understand why channels like this exist if your every answer is "man *" |
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| 02:47.18 | ec | jaymez: :| |
| 02:47.29 | droopy | Has anyone gotten gatos to work? |
| 02:47.30 | grepper | jaymez: man channels :P |
| 02:47.33 | dondelelcaro | jaymez: you haven't been here long, have you... |
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| 02:47.48 | nvz | jaymez: channels like this exist, because users come here. |
| 02:47.59 | dondelelcaro | droopy: one hopes the maintainer has... |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | jaymez: because all it takes is 'man command' to get most of thier answers |
| 02:48.34 | exobyte | abrotman: heh- ok- thx |
| 02:48.56 | droopy | dondelelcaro can't get it to work. I use verbose and it sees my card. |
| 02:48.56 | nvz | not to mention there is no substitude for reading the docs |
| 02:49.07 | lanchow | under X, my keyboard is configuring so that 1,2,3 etc keys doesn't follow the caps lock. where to change this ? |
| 02:49.19 | jetscreamer | somebody heeellllppppmmmmmeeeeeee |
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| 02:49.26 | dondelelcaro | droopy: yeah, I've never touched it myself... provide a bit more information and someone here might be able to help, otherwise try -user or file a bug... |
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| 02:49.57 | debian | jetscreamer: What does the syslog say? |
| 02:50.04 | abrotman | !hurry |
| 02:50.04 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 02:50.12 | abrotman | jetscreamer: sorry .. i couldn't resist |
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| 02:50.30 | droopy | dondelelcaro I hae one question. Are you suppose to use fb? |
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| 02:50.59 | dondelelcaro | droopy: if you can avoid it, you don't want to use it. |
| 02:51.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: check for bugs in login? |
| 02:51.08 | jetscreamer | nothing suggestive debian |
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| 02:51.58 | droopy | Thanks |
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| 02:53.02 | jetscreamer | hmmm maybe abrotman ... login: su, sudo: Local security hole -- arbitrary character inj |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's pretty old |
| 02:54.05 | simon__ | i can no longer rip cds with grip, or anything else for that matter, i get an error saying invalid encoder executable, check your encoder config. Any idea what to do? I've tried switching to all other encoders in my options. |
| 02:54.29 | jetscreamer | there's a big ass list |
| 02:54.38 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:55.55 | Guerin | simon__: do you have any encoders installed? |
| 02:56.37 | simon__ | Guerin : yes i was using lame fine and now it just gives me that error |
| 02:57.07 | Guerin | simon__: does grip have a -verbose option you can get more info with? |
| 02:57.47 | jaymez | guerin - man grip |
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| 02:58.00 | Xibit | hi, what is default directory for ftp servers? |
| 02:58.23 | jetscreamer | Xibit, as in apt source? |
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| 02:58.32 | jetscreamer | or ftp server |
| 02:59.19 | Guerin | I don't fucking have grip installed, ffs. |
| 02:59.28 | Xibit | the directory wich the shared files are supposed to be in |
| 02:59.45 | simon__ | Guerin: i cant see where i can get more info from - |
| 02:59.46 | Xibit | i think its /var/ftp, but theres nothing |
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| 03:00.16 | Guerin | simon__: well,, failing anything else, strace will tell you precisely which file it's looking for when it tries to encode |
| 03:00.24 | Guerin | simon__: can you run lame from the command line? |
| 03:01.30 | abrotman | Guerin: he's all pissed off at us |
| 03:01.41 | Guerin | abrotman: who? |
| 03:01.47 | abrotman | Guerin: that jaymez guy |
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| 03:02.01 | nvz | fauk 'em |
| 03:02.07 | jasonf | are the nvidia drivers apt-gettable? |
| 03:02.11 | simon__ | Guerin: i'm trying to run lame from the command line - but no success |
| 03:02.14 | Guerin | hah, I just read the backscroll |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | jasonf: kind of |
| 03:02.30 | abrotman | !nvidia debs |
| 03:02.30 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia debs is Justin_ has built a set of nvidia debs for woody, sarge, and sid. See http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES or try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT or deb http://kambing.vlsm.org/DLL/debian-local stable lokal |
| 03:02.33 | simon__ | Guerin: should it just be lame or sudo lame |
| 03:02.37 | nvz | go away or I shall taunt you again |
| 03:02.37 | abrotman | jasonf: among other places |
| 03:02.38 | Guerin | simon__: ok, what happens? not found? encoding fails somehow? |
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| 03:02.51 | Guerin | simon__: just lame. Call it directly with /usr/bin/lame |
| 03:03.26 | nvz | what about the LSorensen nvidia debs? |
| 03:03.27 | simon__ | Guerin : no such file or directory |
| 03:03.47 | Guerin | simon__: ok, you don't have lame installed. Did you do an upgrade? Did it get removed? |
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| 03:03.50 | Hubertus_ | hi all |
| 03:04.16 | Hubertus_ | How can I convert an OpenOffice Writer Document to HTML please? |
| 03:04.28 | green-earz | jasonf: if you want the nvidia own driver to install you will need to compile a kerenl |
| 03:04.34 | simon__ | Guerin: i have upgraded recently, i dont remember it being removed - should i reintall it? |
| 03:04.35 | Guerin | Hubertus_: save as > select html |
| 03:04.49 | xam | green-earz: ? |
| 03:04.52 | Guerin | simon__: dpkg -l |grep lame will tell you if anything lamewise is installed |
| 03:04.58 | xam | green-earz: you mean a kernel-module ... |
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| 03:05.13 | green-earz | xam: no |
| 03:05.26 | Guerin | you SHOULD mean a kernel module |
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| 03:05.27 | Hubertus_ | Guerin, This does not save it the correct way... |
| 03:05.33 | Hubertus_ | I made many spaces ... |
| 03:05.39 | Guerin | Hubertus_: what is the "correct way"? |
| 03:05.39 | Hubertus_ | they are not shown in HTML |
| 03:05.41 | xam | green-earz: well, if you don't mean a kernel modules, then you are wrong :) |
| 03:05.50 | Hubertus_ | Guerin, I can make 2 screenshots |
| 03:05.50 | green-earz | jasonf: you will get a better result with nvidia own driver |
| 03:05.52 | Hubertus_ | moment please |
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| 03:06.07 | nvz | Hubertus_: ;nbsp& |
| 03:06.27 | caphuso | nvz: |
| 03:06.36 | green-earz | xam: to use nvidia own drive you need to compile a kernel fot 2.6 |
| 03:06.37 | nvz | Hubertus_: html ignores whitespace, a space is |
| 03:06.56 | xam | green-earz: since when? |
| 03:07.03 | Hubertus_ | nvz, fine, are you interested in writing about 1000.000000.000000 nbsp; |
| 03:07.05 | Hubertus_ | ? |
| 03:07.06 | green-earz | xam: now |
| 03:07.10 | Guerin | Hubertus_: ok, here's the thing. All word processor -> html converters are fatally flawed, because wysiwyg wordproc programs are full of dirty page layout hacks. If you want to write a document which can be converted to many formats, use a markup language like xml or tex |
| 03:07.28 | nvz | Hubertus_: no, I am not a moron, I could easily generate 1000 of them. |
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| 03:07.41 | simon__ | Guerin : nothing came up - so i guess i dont have anything lame related |
| 03:07.46 | xam | green-earz: you don't need to compile a new kernel to use the nvidia drivers ... you only need to compile a kernel module |
| 03:07.48 | keypulse | ia-64 arch = amd64 bit chips? |
| 03:07.49 | Guerin | simon__: indeed. |
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| 03:08.13 | green-earz | xam: go to nvidia grab a driver and try to install with kernel header for 2.6 |
| 03:08.22 | caphuso | i liked the web export function in this cheap ass office suite i worked with a long time ago, it made one big .gif :-) |
| 03:08.28 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:08.33 | xam | green-earz: haha |
| 03:09.01 | xam | green-earz: that was an old bug |
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| 03:09.31 | keypulse | will debian install on an amd64? |
| 03:09.44 | Guerin | keypulse: #debian-amd64 |
| 03:09.46 | green-earz | xam: why as it gone to day ? |
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| 03:09.56 | keypulse | thanks |
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| 03:11.13 | green-earz | xam: and have a read of nvidia driver install the say so |
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| 03:11.33 | xam | green-earz: 1. there was a patch immediately available (for those that used the nvidia drivers from the nvidia homepage), and since then 2. a lot of people have installed nvidia drivers (via apt-get) and got them working with debian and a 2.6 kernel WITHOUT recompiliing their kernel |
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| 03:12.15 | xam | green-earz: I think debian is a little bit ahead of what nvidia says in their driver README |
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| 03:12.49 | xam | green-earz: of course you have to install the nvida-driver the debian-way ... |
| 03:12.55 | trappist | isn't there something between 'testing' and 'stable'? I'm looking to go debian but I don't want massively unstable or old crusty packages |
| 03:13.05 | Raspberry | heh, well my 8GB mail server / drive just finally died... it's only been running constantly for 6 years :) |
| 03:13.23 | Raspberry | trappist: testing is stable... unstable is unstable |
| 03:13.31 | xam | Raspberry: may it rest in pieces |
| 03:13.37 | trappist | ah, gotcha |
| 03:13.42 | caphuso | testing is not stable. that's why it is called testing and not stable |
| 03:14.03 | simon__ | Guerin : Thanks, I've installed toolame and I'm going to see if can get it to work from the command line |
| 03:14.05 | Raspberry | yes -- so now I've having fun trying to reinstall on a 6GB drive I had laying around and then recovering my backed up passwd/shadow/group files :D |
| 03:14.13 | Raspberry | ok |
| 03:14.16 | trappist | Raspberry: testing will get me the shiney new window managers and all that? |
| 03:14.24 | tvn | unstable is testing andtesting is stable and stable is outdated |
| 03:14.24 | Raspberry | well TESTING is more stable than UNSTABLE |
| 03:14.27 | Raspberry | trappist: yes |
| 03:14.33 | xam | caphuso: so if testing is not stable, is it unstable? but it is not unstable either ... so what is it? |
| 03:14.35 | The_Walrus | hi... somebody has patched the kernel to enable freeswan support? |
| 03:14.36 | xam | !confuse xam |
| 03:14.36 | dpkg | No, those was my bacon tomorrow, xam? shirts of the democracy of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 03:14.42 | caphuso | xam: it's testing |
| 03:14.47 | green-earz | xam: what the debian way then ? |
| 03:14.53 | xam | caphuso: but is it stable? |
| 03:14.56 | Raspberry | we all know it's not testing to put packages in stable because that hasn't happened in years. |
| 03:14.57 | trappist | Raspberry: thanks much |
| 03:15.01 | caphuso | xam: no |
| 03:15.02 | xam | caphuso ;) |
| 03:15.13 | Raspberry | trappist: I run testing on my beta servers, stable on my firewall and unstable on my workstation |
| 03:15.34 | green-earz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:16.08 | xam | green-earz: apt-cache search nvidia ; apt-get install nvidia-* ... and create the nvidia debian package from the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 03:16.09 | trappist | Raspberry: I'm coming from mandrake - I assume unstable correlates with 'cooker', like it's always in flux and may not even boot on a given day |
| 03:16.11 | CAiRO | i'm trying to bind courier pop3[-ssl]/imap[-ssl] to a certain ip, i've changed the ADDRESS setting in the 4 config files and restarted everything, but the -ssl variants still bind to all interfaces/ips |
| 03:16.15 | CAiRO | what could be the problem? |
| 03:16.32 | Raspberry | trappist: yeah, i'd suppose -- unstable is pretty stable once you figure out how linux works |
| 03:16.35 | aFlag | why does mysql-server need mailx? |
| 03:16.38 | CAiRO | it works fine with the non-ssl variants |
| 03:16.43 | green-earz | xam: thats the debian own driver |
| 03:16.54 | xam | *sigh* |
| 03:17.10 | xam | !beer xam |
| 03:17.19 | trappist | Raspberry: I have plenty of linux under my belt, I'm just nervous about switching distros after all these years |
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| 03:17.33 | green-earz | xam: it is not the driver from nvidia |
| 03:17.39 | Raspberry | trappist: well the headache of updating will be gone -- it's worth it |
| 03:17.42 | xam | green-earz: ffs, how is it 'debians own driver'? |
| 03:17.50 | green-earz | read |
| 03:17.51 | xam | green-earz: of course it is |
| 03:17.57 | Raspberry | trappist: use the new Sarge/Testing installer for netinst |
| 03:18.16 | trappist | Raspberry: I've found it frustrating, trying to find the installer I want |
| 03:18.23 | trappist | I seem to have 2 choices at debian.org |
| 03:18.32 | trappist | oh you mean once I've booted to the cd |
| 03:18.36 | trappist | yeah that's what I've been told |
| 03:18.37 | Raspberry | trappist: can you burn CDs and do you have a fast internet connection? |
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| 03:18.44 | trappist | yes and yes |
| 03:19.22 | Raspberry | trappist: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ --- pick the netinst CD image for your distro |
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| 03:19.42 | green-earz | xam: nvidia own driver is not open source and it can only be on nvidia own site, so the apt-get is the nvidia |
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| 03:19.59 | Raspberry | trappist: sorry -- architecture, not distro :P |
| 03:20.01 | xam | green-earz: from /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/copyright: "It was downloaded from ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-6111/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1..0-6111-pkg0.run. Upstream Author: NVIDIA <linux-bugs@nvidia.com>" |
| 03:20.19 | trappist | thanks - I'm finding it friendlier and more helpful here than on previous visits - possibly because I'm trying to switch :) |
| 03:20.30 | Raspberry | trappist: I'm not normally in here -- that's why :) |
| 03:20.41 | xam | green-earz: WTF was I telling you all the time? |
| 03:20.41 | green-earz | haa |
| 03:20.48 | trappist | damn, still nothing better than i386 for a modern box? |
| 03:21.13 | Raspberry | trappist: the kernels are optimized for i686 or k* -- it's just the packages ... trust me, doesn't make enough difference to care |
| 03:21.18 | xam | green-earz: but guess what; debian makes patches on top of that ... |
| 03:21.39 | abrotman | today .. i installed my /dev from source .. and now my windows won't boot .. what could be wrong? |
| 03:21.45 | xam | green-earz: well, at least when it is neccessary |
| 03:21.51 | Raspberry | trappist: you'll find encoders available from 3rd parties that have been recompiled for the newer processors... I'm running debian completely compiled for amd64 :) |
| 03:22.03 | trappist | Raspberry: I found that building gcc, binutils, glibc, X, etc. for athlon gets me like 15% more fps than for i586 |
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| 03:22.28 | caphuso | trappist: bullshit |
| 03:22.28 | Raspberry | trappist: you can still compile your own using the debian source tree |
| 03:22.44 | Raspberry | trappist: you can create/compile your own .deb packages |
| 03:22.55 | caphuso | trappist: gcc will produce the very same code no matter what arch it is itself compiled for |
| 03:23.05 | Raspberry | trappist: specific to your architecture -- so if that's why your're not upgrading it doesn't matter... |
| 03:23.10 | xam | trappist: why don't you compile it for opteron, or - even better - Power5? You'd get another big performance boost :-{ |
| 03:23.13 | trappist | caphuso: athlon has a lot of 3d-specific goodies in its instruction set - I didn't see a noticeable improvement overall, but in 3d apps it was surprising |
| 03:23.14 | xam | :-P |
| 03:23.34 | abrotman | trappist: you mean FP goodies? |
| 03:23.50 | trappist | FP? |
| 03:23.52 | caphuso | trappist: maybe. but neither of gcc, binutils or libc6 does anything related to 3D |
| 03:23.54 | abrotman | exactly .. |
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| 03:24.00 | abrotman | butthead |
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| 03:24.18 | trappist | caphuso: I wasn't sure if I'd get any advantage rebuilding those before rebuilding X |
| 03:24.23 | nvz | abrotman: damn it, Beavis |
| 03:24.24 | Raspberry | on my amd64 with a nVidiaTi4200 128M I get 40fps @ 1024x768 Doom3 :) |
| 03:24.32 | abrotman | nvz: fire! |
| 03:24.32 | trappist | and I had the spare time and cpu cycles |
| 03:24.46 | abrotman | !win Raspberry |
| 03:24.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, Raspberry! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 03:24.50 | caphuso | trappist: what graphic card are you using? |
| 03:24.55 | Guerin | trappist: there's a pre-optimised libc6-i686, but not a -k7. You could build one if you really cared. |
| 03:24.59 | trappist | ti4200 |
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| 03:25.30 | green-earz | Raspberry: which drive debian or nvidia own ? |
| 03:25.40 | Raspberry | trappist: if you're reall concerned with all stuff being built for your hardware more specificially -- just install gentoo and see what a nightmare it really is :) |
| 03:26.00 | abrotman | i get about 20fpm .. depends how much traffic in #debian |
| 03:26.03 | trappist | Raspberry: been there... eff some gentoo |
| 03:26.04 | Raspberry | green-earz: : nvidia's -- debian doesn't want to stay loaded on reboot |
| 03:26.27 | caphuso | Raspberry: uh |
| 03:26.28 | nvz | abrotman: fpm? |
| 03:26.41 | abrotman | nvz: frames per minute .. when irc "refreshes" :) |
| 03:26.59 | nvz | abrotman: you have a script that counts this? |
| 03:27.07 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:27.08 | abrotman | nvz: it was a joke .. sorry .. |
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| 03:27.16 | abrotman | !kill abrotman's humor |
| 03:27.17 | green-earz | Raspberry: i find there a better result with nvidia own and it dose install well |
| 03:27.22 | Guerin | abrotman: how many times have you bee told, you're not funny. |
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| 03:27.23 | xam | Guerin: well, libc6-i686 has the nice advantage that it has NTPL compiled in |
| 03:27.34 | caphuso | green-earz: it's the same driver, how the hell could it be any different? |
| 03:27.37 | abrotman | Guerin: come on .. it was funny .. i just needed too many connecting lines :) |
| 03:27.38 | trappist | ok before I do this - do debian install kernels have 'boot offboard chipsets first' turned on? when I install mandrake I have to do 'linux ide=reverse' or things get messy |
| 03:27.42 | caphuso | god, where are all those clueless people coming from? |
| 03:27.46 | Guerin | xam: what's that when it's at home? I guess I ought to research it. |
| 03:27.50 | abrotman | caphuso: #gentoo ? |
| 03:27.54 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, I found it funny... |
| 03:28.02 | nvz | caphuso: the gene pool |
| 03:28.34 | caphuso | nvz: it seriously needs some cleaning up |
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| 03:28.45 | xam | Guerin: sorry, I meant NPTL - Native Posix Thread Library ... the successor to Linuxthreads |
| 03:28.52 | trappist | Raspberry: ok before I do this - do debian install kernels have 'boot offboard chipsets first' turned on? when I install mandrake I have to do 'linux ide=reverse' or things get messy |
| 03:28.53 | nvz | caphuso: hile hitler? |
| 03:28.59 | Guerin | xam: yeah, I'm googling it |
| 03:29.03 | caphuso | nvz: "heil" |
| 03:29.12 | nvz | that too even |
| 03:29.40 | Raspberry | yeah, no shit |
| 03:29.56 | nvz | caphuso: of course you know, in Soviet Russia, the gene pool cleans _YOU_ |
| 03:29.57 | Raspberry | trappist: not sure what your situation is |
| 03:30.13 | xam | Guerin: is more posix compilant than linuxthreads, and is faster and not as ressource hungry ... http://www.kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=422 |
| 03:30.28 | Guerin | nvz: actually, it was the brain pool that was cleaned out in soviet russia |
| 03:30.29 | trappist | Raspberry: if the kernel has 'boot offboard chipsets first' turned on, my hda will become hdg etc. |
| 03:30.48 | Raspberry | trappist: I would say, no it doesn't |
| 03:30.52 | nvz | Guerin: there was a brain pool? |
| 03:31.19 | Guerin | nvz: russia had a phenomenal pool of intellectuals, scholars and artist prior to the purges. |
| 03:31.24 | Raspberry | trappist: I'd also say -- try it and see -- the new installer is exceedingly clever. |
| 03:31.55 | nvz | Guerin: I am no scholar, I am just mocking sussudio for making my user pic a flag |
| 03:31.58 | Guerin | nvz: read the Gulag Archipelago, if you think you can bear 2000 pages of the most depressing reading you'll find anywhere. |
| 03:32.06 | abrotman | nvz: why is that? |
| 03:32.09 | Guerin | nvz: haha, you did ask for it, literally. |
| 03:32.13 | abrotman | nvz: and why am i the muffin man? |
| 03:32.13 | trappist | Raspberry: unless it gives me an opportunity to mount the partitions and examine their contents, I won't know until I've overwritten my data |
| 03:32.13 | nvz | abrotman: what? |
| 03:32.19 | green-earz | trappist: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 03:32.22 | nvz | Guerin: how did I ask for it? |
| 03:32.22 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 03:32.22 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
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| 03:32.30 | Guerin | abrotman: because you live on drury lane, duh. |
| 03:32.33 | Raspberry | trappist: it has a partition manager where you choose what to mount and what to format |
| 03:32.35 | abrotman | yeah .. |
| 03:32.38 | abrotman | i guess i do |
| 03:32.41 | Guerin | nvz: you asked for your own userpic. |
| 03:32.54 | nvz | Guerin: well ... I did? |
| 03:32.57 | abrotman | Guerin: maybe i sohuld put the cakebutt picture there |
| 03:33.00 | green-earz | trappist: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
| 03:33.01 | Raspberry | trappist: you can use existing partitions and create new ones for mount points and it installs everything accordingly |
| 03:33.02 | trappist | Raspberry: yeah I've seen that - but until I can see what's *on* those partitions, I can't be sure if its idea of hda is the same as mine |
| 03:33.03 | Guerin | nvz: I believe you did |
| 03:33.12 | Guerin | abrotman: that would puzzle some people. |
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| 03:33.31 | Cray3 | may i have your attention please, Channel #debian: |
| 03:33.37 | Raspberry | trappist: well you can see that too... when you start the installer flip to tty2 and mount the partitions |
| 03:33.48 | trappist | that works |
| 03:33.54 | abrotman | Guerin: oh yeah .. like the flag |
| 03:34.02 | abrotman | Cray3: this better be good |
| 03:34.04 | Cray3 | i would like to thank you collectively for assisting me with my problem of earlier. due to the prompt, efficient, businesslike spport i got, i was able to resolve my relatively complex problem in a relatively short space of time. Thank You All!! |
| 03:34.14 | abrotman | and it is! |
| 03:34.17 | Guerin | xam: I'll need an nptl patched kernel to use it, won't I? It's not supported in mainline or debian kernels? |
| 03:34.18 | abrotman | unless that was sarcasm |
| 03:34.24 | Raspberry | i think it was sarcasm |
| 03:34.28 | Raspberry | nobody in here helps anybody else |
| 03:34.29 | Cray3 | it wasnt sarcasm |
| 03:34.29 | rgarcia | some one know a program for view or explere my local network |
| 03:34.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:34.34 | Guerin | !beer Cray3 |
| 03:34.37 | nvz | Guerin: [21:57:44] sussudio | nvz: in channel stats, userpic chooses you. [04:31:57] sussudio | helix: i gave nvz teh special userpic. |
| 03:34.38 | abrotman | Cray3: sorry .. we get a lot of that :) |
| 03:34.44 | Cray3 | so i noticed |
| 03:34.49 | nvz | Guerin: is about all I can dig up |
| 03:34.51 | xam | Guerin: afaik NPTL support it at least in all 2.6 kernels |
| 03:34.57 | Guerin | nvz: prior to that, you'd requested a userpic of your own |
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| 03:35.06 | abrotman | and why doesn't sussudio have a picture? |
| 03:35.08 | Guerin | xam: ah, ok. |
| 03:35.13 | Cray3 | the Freenode #debian support channel shall get an honourable mention in my New York Times column next week. :) |
| 03:35.16 | Guerin | abrotman: he used to have the badger. |
| 03:35.25 | nvz | yeah he was the badger |
| 03:35.27 | Guerin | Cray3: noooo! |
| 03:35.30 | alindeman | Cray3: Wow, neat. Thanks a bunch. |
| 03:35.32 | abrotman | err simonrvn have a picture |
| 03:35.33 | Raspberry | hmmm... mail server has been down for ~6 hrs now :P |
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| 03:35.45 | abrotman | Cray3: in NYT? |
| 03:35.58 | xam | Guerin: maybe it also works with 2.4 kernels (and perhaps it is (now) independent from the kernel version) |
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| 03:36.06 | abrotman | Cray3: but if you do that .. our reputation will be ruined!!! |
| 03:36.13 | Cray3 | How would that be? |
| 03:36.19 | Guerin | xam: I remember 2.4 kernels had to be patched to it, but I don't know about 2.6 |
| 03:36.27 | abrotman | do you know how many people come in here and say we're the smartest but the meanest |
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| 03:36.40 | abrotman | which .. honestly .. i never understood |
| 03:36.48 | abrotman | except for scarynetworkguy .. but he is scarynetworkguy |
| 03:36.48 | Guerin | Cray3: actually, the main thing I'm worried about is that 0.01% of the NYT readership decides that now's a good time to install debian... |
| 03:36.50 | xam | abrotman: is that a compliment or a thread? |
| 03:36.54 | xam | t |
| 03:37.00 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: yes yes I am |
| 03:37.03 | abrotman | boo! |
| 03:37.06 | xam | damn, I have to go to bed |
| 03:37.15 | xam | too tired to type |
| 03:37.26 | abrotman | Cray3: are you telling us you're a columnist for NYT? |
| 03:37.34 | Guerin | xam: take care, see ya tomorrow :) |
| 03:37.35 | nvz | xam: you need a yawn-to-text converter |
| 03:37.36 | Cray3 | Abrotman: That is correct. |
| 03:37.50 | abrotman | Cray3: will it make the daily emailing? |
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| 03:38.06 | esop | I have exim running from inetd and a 'ps -C exim' gives me 11 instances of exim... is that proper? |
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| 03:38.13 | xam | Guerin: I remember that there has to be kernel support. Eg. some architectures don't support NPTL yet (such as hppa) |
| 03:38.14 | Cray3 | abrotman: I cannot be sure |
| 03:38.18 | rich_ | hi |
| 03:38.19 | abrotman | Cray3: how will we know which article is yours? |
| 03:38.28 | nvz | man I played some blues traveler this morning, and I thought to myself.. I could yawn this whole song out, and it would sound the same, and be hilarious |
| 03:38.31 | caphuso | esop: it's not suprising |
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| 03:38.37 | Cray3 | It will be a part of the new Pogue's Posts series. |
| 03:38.45 | xam | Guerin: good night, cu |
| 03:38.53 | Cray3 | http://www.nytimes.com/technology/poguesposts/index.html |
| 03:38.58 | abrotman | Cray3: isn't that a band? |
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| 03:39.17 | xam | nvz: too tired to write one now :) |
| 03:39.22 | Cray3 | Abrotman: Ha ha, no |
| 03:39.22 | esop | seems like it has been a little buggy lately... hmmm, guess I'll google it about a bit more :) |
| 03:39.25 | xam | okay, bye |
| 03:39.26 | abrotman | now i'm scared .. |
| 03:39.32 | abrotman | i think david pogue is here |
| 03:39.50 | abrotman | it feels creepy .. |
| 03:40.01 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure the Pogues were a band |
| 03:40.04 | Guerin | !shanemacgowansmite abrotman |
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| 03:40.16 | abrotman | ha! |
| 03:40.17 | abrotman | i win |
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| 03:40.24 | abrotman | http://ubl.artistdirect.com/nad/music/artist/card/0,,480176,00.html?src=search&artist=The+Pogues |
| 03:40.27 | abrotman | the pogues are a band |
| 03:40.40 | abrotman | Guerin: you freak .. you even knew his name |
| 03:40.54 | Guerin | !shanemacgowansmite $1 is <reply> Smashes all $1's teeth in with a full bottle of whiskey, and makes $1 drink the whole thing. |
| 03:40.54 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 03:41.00 | Guerin | abrotman: the pogues pwn |
| 03:41.08 | abrotman | Cray3: see .. they are a band |
| 03:41.12 | DarknessX | looks like mIRC scripting, iirc. |
| 03:41.14 | cafuego | David Pogue is not a band. He's an author. |
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| 03:41.37 | abrotman | cafuego: we know .. |
| 03:41.43 | Guerin | The Pogues are a band, but they're not made up of people with the surname pogue... |
| 03:41.44 | abrotman | but there was/is a band named the Pogues |
| 03:41.52 | nvz | DarknessX: thats blootbot, this has nothing to do with mirc |
| 03:41.57 | DarknessX | my mistake |
| 03:42.03 | abrotman | !what are you |
| 03:42.03 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 03:42.05 | cafuego | abrotman: Yes, I'm old enough to know and have heard quite a lot of their songs. Possibly live. |
| 03:42.08 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 03:42.20 | abrotman | cafuego: as am i .. i think |
| 03:42.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | i am |
| 03:42.32 | Guerin | shane macgowan is still making music |
| 03:42.38 | Guerin | between drinking sessions |
| 03:42.41 | Cray3 | Linux on the Oqo isn't as hard as you might think, either, I discovered. |
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| 03:43.28 | rich_ | Nyle hi |
| 03:43.32 | cafuego | isn't that what being a muso is all about? |
| 03:43.42 | abrotman | Cray3: the handheld? |
| 03:43.43 | jsoft | Is there any reason why /usr/local/awstats should be 700 ? |
| 03:43.46 | cafuego | well, drinking sessions, hookers and coke? Music being a distant 4th? |
| 03:43.47 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | jsoft: security? |
| 03:43.58 | Guerin | cafuego: yeah, it's just a matter of what $drug is |
| 03:44.09 | Cray3 | Abrotman: Yes, the Oqo handheld PC |
| 03:44.09 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah it's a tough job being the channel asshole. :) |
| 03:44.13 | cafuego | jsoft: It's /usr/local/* so it has nod ebian related default perms. |
| 03:44.16 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: me or you? |
| 03:44.24 | Nyle | $drug |
| 03:44.26 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i don't think either of us compare to some others |
| 03:44.34 | cafuego | !drug Guerin |
| 03:44.47 | rich_ | You guys aren't assholes. They arent either. It's just birth pain |
| 03:44.49 | cafuego | o-o-o, I see work to be done here |
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| 03:45.10 | abrotman | !tranquilize Guerin |
| 03:45.15 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Me. |
| 03:45.27 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i think you pale compared to a few othres |
| 03:45.34 | abrotman | by a good bit |
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| 03:45.37 | Guerin | neeeigh |
| 03:45.41 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Yeah likely. |
| 03:45.59 | Guerin | !g4lt |
| 03:46.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, g4lt is just plain mean. <helix> peterS: g4lt is just mean, or <whinge>nobody listens to me</whinge> |
| 03:46.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:46.08 | Guerin | !sing g4lt |
| 03:46.08 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
| 03:46.21 | abrotman | !sing Guerin |
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| 03:46.30 | nvz | imagine that a factoid of helix talking to peterS |
| 03:46.35 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | it's not unusual to have your hips proposed to |
| 03:46.53 | Guerin | !seen g4lt |
| 03:46.53 | abrotman | !drug guerin |
| 03:46.53 | dpkg | g4lt <galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 44d 3h 10m 11s ago, saying: 'toresbe actually no, policy states taht no package needs to depend on anything on base'. |
| 03:47.04 | helix | nvz: heh |
| 03:47.05 | abrotman | where'd he go? |
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| 03:47.25 | Guerin | maybe idaho just vanished... |
| 03:47.29 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 03:47.37 | abrotman | can we have mexico now? |
| 03:47.57 | Cray3 | This certainly is one of the more interesting IRC 'hang-outs' of the web |
| 03:48.09 | cafuego | !drug Guerin |
| 03:48.14 | zami | how can I learn the local time zone of a server? |
| 03:48.16 | sussudio | abrotman: les humpries singers? |
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| 03:48.27 | abrotman | sussudio: you sing? |
| 03:48.35 | abrotman | zami: date |
| 03:48.45 | sussudio | abrotman: http://www.elyrics.net/go/l/les-humphries-singers-lyrics/mexico-lyrics/ |
| 03:48.59 | zami | is there a environment variable for that, or only date will say it? |
| 03:49.16 | abrotman | sussudio: like .. battle of 1812? |
| 03:49.18 | nvz | zami: are you writing a script or something? |
| 03:49.31 | abrotman | zami: it will tell you what it's set to .. UTC or local time |
| 03:49.35 | sussudio | mexicooo |
| 03:49.45 | zami | nvz: yes |
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| 03:50.00 | nvz | zami: shell script.. be specific.. we can help you better |
| 03:50.12 | zami | nvz: php script |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | Cray3: well .. come back often if you enjoy it .. we let all kinds of people in here .. why not you :) |
| 03:50.55 | shazb0t | lol |
| 03:51.02 | shazb0t | damn lots of people her too |
| 03:51.06 | shazb0t | here even |
| 03:51.10 | nvz | zami: I dont know php |
| 03:51.19 | abrotman | zami: what are you trying to do? |
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| 03:51.31 | zami | learn the time zone of the server |
| 03:52.25 | abrotman | zami: is it even a debian server? |
| 03:52.45 | zami | yes, it is a debian server, why? |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | just making sure .. there are things that debian does that suse may not |
| 03:53.22 | rich_ | shazb0t dont be nervous, just pretend they are mostly idle |
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| 03:53.48 | shazb0t | ah |
| 03:53.50 | shazb0t | lol |
| 03:53.54 | Cray3 | I rather enjoy debian. I was able to convince our network administrator and my boss to let me use a Linux box here in the NYT office. I'm rather happy with a dual-boot setup. |
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| 03:54.00 | dondelelcaro | zami: it shouldn't matter to you what the local timezone of the server is... |
| 03:54.01 | nvz | would lvm be the best solution for combining storage space of two or more large ide drives? |
| 03:54.06 | Guerin | Cray3: that's doing pretty well. |
| 03:54.16 | abrotman | Cray3: you've done better than most companies |
| 03:54.23 | abrotman | zami: cat /etc/timezone |
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| 03:54.38 | Cray3 | Abrotman: Guerin: well, as a 'technology' section writer i had to "review" several flavors of "linux" you know ... |
| 03:54.40 | dondelelcaro | zami: unless PHP has totally screwed up the timezone handling (possible) it should obey appropriate env variables for setting the timezone in your php script. |
| 03:54.48 | abrotman | Cray3: which did you prefer? |
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| 03:55.44 | rich_ | Debian has always been a step or two ahead of the rest. At the moment, it has the best package manager, and the rest have been trying to copy it for years |
| 03:56.01 | Cray3 | Abrotman: Gentoo and Debian. Redhat Fedora is a very good Enterprise linux, but less suitable for the "newbie" to linux. |
| 03:56.05 | shazb0t | i prefer yum |
| 03:56.11 | abrotman | Cray3: and which did you test? |
| 03:56.34 | Cray3 | abrotman: Mandrake, Suse, Redhat, Debian, Gentoo, and almost all of the LiveCDs |
| 03:56.51 | abrotman | Cray3: wow .. that's a lot |
| 03:57.05 | abrotman | Cray3: you didn't try SCOs? :) |
| 03:57.11 | zami | thanks |
| 03:57.18 | shazb0t | lol@abrotman |
| 03:57.18 | Cray3 | Abrotman: I was not interested in any of the many unices floating about. |
| 03:57.22 | jasonf | abrotman, From my bit of debian experience tonight, I'd say Debian > Suse, Redhat, Linspire, Arch, and Slack (all I've tried, and that Debian = Gentoo (just a matter of if you like source or bin) |
| 03:57.23 | jasonf | :) |
| 03:57.27 | abrotman | Cray3: sco makes a linux |
| 03:57.35 | shazb0t | yea but screw sco |
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| 03:57.46 | TheBlueWizard | most 'techie' journalists tend to review only one or two major distro of Linux, from what I observed.... |
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| 03:57.50 | abrotman | jasonf: how is arch .. i've not tried it .. but heard good things about it |
| 03:57.54 | Guerin | fedora's an insane choice for enterprise - it's basically like running debian unstable |
| 03:58.01 | jasonf | abrotman, I couldn't ever get it to run |
| 03:58.02 | rich_ | Cray3 Hmm, you tried a few linuxs but you didn't try any debian spinnoffs? How many other distributions even have spinnoffs? |
| 03:58.04 | Arelius | Anyone know if it is possible to make my computer act like a firewire hardrive? |
| 03:58.06 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: hell, it's not even a choice... |
| 03:58.10 | abrotman | jasonf: oh .. guess it's not that good .. any yoper? |
| 03:58.16 | jasonf | abrotman, the installer was horrible, as was the sata support |
| 03:58.19 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. |
| 03:58.22 | jasonf | abrotman, never tried yoper |
| 03:58.27 | abrotman | just wondering |
| 03:58.30 | shazb0t | we run fedora for our enterprise, i can assure you its quite stable |
| 03:58.32 | shazb0t | fc2* |
| 03:58.33 | Guerin | yoper is shite, as well |
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| 03:58.38 | abrotman | i have friends that sometimes ask me to recommend alinux for thier mother |
| 03:58.40 | Cray3 | TheBlueWizard: Well, when i release my Linux oriented column, I wanted to be able to produce a relatively well-rounded column that would give each distro a fair chance. |
| 03:58.48 | Guerin | shazb0t: do you upgrade it, ever? |
| 03:58.53 | shazb0t | lol |
| 03:58.54 | shazb0t | yea |
| 03:58.56 | Cray3 | I am a firm believer in the open-source philosophy. |
| 03:59.00 | shazb0t | on a raid5 array |
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| 03:59.03 | shazb0t | took 6 hours |
| 03:59.09 | Guerin | shazb0t: when I ran fc1, it was CONSTANTLY broken. |
| 03:59.12 | abrotman | 6 hours? |
| 03:59.13 | guestish | Cray3: why? |
| 03:59.13 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 03:59.14 | dondelelcaro | took 6 hours to upgrade? good god. |
| 03:59.19 | guestish | dondelelcaro: O_O |
| 03:59.21 | abrotman | i thik to install |
| 03:59.21 | shazb0t | 1.5 TB |
| 03:59.28 | Guerin | shazb0t: ...? |
| 03:59.29 | rich_ | Cray3 but yet you reviewed dists that have shall we say, less than a debian commitment to open source. |
| 03:59.30 | guestish | shazb0t: what is this? |
| 03:59.32 | Arelius | Cray3, you have a distro column? |
| 03:59.39 | guestish | Cray3: whats the link? |
| 03:59.41 | jasonf | abrotman, is there like a Debian FAQ for linux users type of thing ... kinda to skip over the basics but sum up the debian-isms? |
| 03:59.50 | abrotman | Arelius: he's NYT columnist |
| 03:59.58 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 03:59.58 | dpkg | somebody said refcard was http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 04:00.00 | abrotman | jasonf: ^^ |
| 04:00.06 | Arelius | abrotman, ohh nice! |
| 04:00.11 | guestish | huh, cool |
| 04:00.20 | abrotman | Cray3: sorry .. cat's out of the bag |
| 04:00.20 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: you probably also wnat to check out the Debian reference; at some point |
| 04:00.29 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 04:00.29 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
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| 04:00.36 | TheBlueWizard | Cray3: A good, valiant effort....I wish you berst of lucks with that. Of course there are A LOT of distros outta there nowadays....maybe 500 of them...fortunately, most of them are in tiny minority or highly specialized |
| 04:00.47 | shazb0t | I used yum, but had a very poor connection to the fedora servers... should have used a mirror |
| 04:00.50 | Cray3 | Guestish: I have observed that the Micro**ft mentality is to "take an ancient product and make it better by adding stuff to it" isn't doing very well, wheras we've seen more innovation and, shall we say, community, with Linux over the past 8 years, than has been with Micro**ft. |
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| 04:00.56 | Guerin | shazb0t: well, since you're talking about fc2, you clearly haven't been running ti for long. Sooner or later you'll have to upgrade, for security reasons or whatever, and it WILL break. |
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| 04:01.04 | guestish | Cray3: got a link to an article? |
| 04:01.10 | shazb0t | its upgraded 100% |
| 04:01.20 | abrotman | Cray3: it's more than 8 years .. you're looking .. what .. 13 years of linux? |
| 04:01.21 | dondelelcaro | its=possessive it's=it is |
| 04:01.24 | guestish | Cray3: i suppose there is liking opensource and then there is being a devotee... |
| 04:01.28 | abrotman | it was 91? 92? |
| 04:01.33 | abrotman | wait .. that's not right |
| 04:01.44 | rich_ | Cray3 The thing is it didn't just happen over the past 8 years. When microsoft began, unix didn't die and this is the natural result. |
| 04:01.50 | dondelelcaro | !debian history |
| 04:01.50 | dpkg | i guess debian history is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history |
| 04:01.56 | shazb0t | ahh shit girlfirend whining... be back later |
| 04:01.57 | guestish | i think he is saying over the past 8 years linux has outstripped windows |
| 04:01.59 | rich_ | It took 40 years of evolution |
| 04:02.05 | Cray3 | rich: yes, i understand, but i've been an off-and-on user of *nix's since about 1997 or 1998 |
| 04:02.07 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 04:02.14 | guestish | im not supporting or denying it, but thats my translation |
| 04:02.23 | Cray3 | rich: They've come quite a long way. |
| 04:02.36 | guestish | lol... |
| 04:02.42 | jasonf | abrotman, do you have a non-pdf link to that? |
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| 04:02.44 | rich_ | guestish but for those of us who started with unix and never really left it, windows was never even an option. Windows lost the day it was born. |
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| 04:02.48 | jasonf | abrotman, I don't have a pdf viewer on here yet |
| 04:02.59 | abrotman | jasonf: uhm .. that's the only one i know of . there is a pdf2txt i believe |
| 04:03.01 | guestish | rich_: i told you, i was just translating |
| 04:03.02 | guestish | :) |
| 04:03.03 | abrotman | !find pdf2 |
| 04:03.06 | Cray3 | Guestish: Next week, the article will go public, however I cannot release anything until then (you asked about a link) |
| 04:03.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pdf2' (6 shown; 10 total): (/usr/bin/{pdf2dsc|pdf2ps}) in text/gs-common ;; (/usr/share/gs-esp/7.07/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in text/gs-esp ;; (/usr/share/gs-gpl/8.01/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in text/gs-gpl ;; (/usr/share/mantis/gui/images/pdf2icon.gif) in web/mantis ;; (/usr/share/gs-afpl/8.14/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in non-free/text/gs-afpl ;; (/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/emacspeak/etc/pdf2text) in editors/emacspeak. |
| 04:03.14 | guestish | Cray3: you are only doing 1 article? |
| 04:03.17 | abrotman | ok .. maybe not |
| 04:03.22 | guestish | Cray3: and you've only done 1 article? |
| 04:03.41 | rich_ | Cray3 Yea, but what Im saying is unix hasnt been the best for 8 years, its been the best for 40 years |
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| 04:03.50 | Cray3 | guestish: I havent done any articles on open source or linux yet. This will be, hopefully depending on the feedback I recieve, the first of many. |
| 04:03.51 | guestish | Cray3: oh nevermind, ill just see it on slashdot in a few days |
| 04:04.02 | abrotman | i'm sure you will :) |
| 04:04.04 | guestish | Cray3: good stuff ;) |
| 04:04.13 | guestish | Cray3: if it makes slashdot you will have plenty of feedback, trust me |
| 04:04.19 | Guerin | hehe |
| 04:04.31 | jasonf | Is there an apt-gettable way to get java? |
| 04:04.36 | Guerin | though only a few % of it may actually be meaningful feedback |
| 04:04.39 | guestish | now if its real feedback is to be seen |
| 04:04.39 | dondelelcaro | esp. lots of the grits and pants variety of feedback... |
| 04:04.40 | guestish | yeah, heh |
| 04:04.43 | abrotman | Cray3: can you handle a good slashdotting? .. and the critique? |
| 04:05.01 | abrotman | doesn't nyt.com run that sun stuff? |
| 04:05.11 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: apt-get install kaffe |
| 04:05.17 | Guerin | lots of omfg hes a n00b $distro has been doign teht 4 evar!!1 |
| 04:05.21 | jasonf | dondelelcaro, what is kaffe? |
| 04:05.22 | Cray3 | I've recieved quite a number of email messages where people state 'Why dont you review this distro or this linux etc?' so i've done months of research on the subject and plan to release the article next week. |
| 04:05.27 | dondelelcaro | !info kafe |
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| 04:05.27 | guestish | dunno, they have a pretty popular tech column on slashdot, seems like its always posted |
| 04:05.28 | dondelelcaro | !info kaffe |
| 04:05.31 | dpkg | kaffe: (A JVM to run Java bytecode), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 2:1.1.4.PRECVS4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 192 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
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| 04:05.42 | jasonf | Cray3, I just wrote a review of linspire |
| 04:05.45 | guestish | dondelelcaro: its a j2re replacement |
| 04:05.48 | guestish | dondelelcaro: ? |
| 04:05.48 | jasonf | too bad newsforge wouldn't buy it |
| 04:05.50 | dondelelcaro | guestish: yes. |
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| 04:05.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it wasn't that good .. i just spent all day screwing with it |
| 04:05.53 | Guerin | the guy from the company which made kaffe was in here the other day |
| 04:05.55 | guestish | dondelelcaro: how compatible? |
| 04:05.58 | Guerin | tony fader or someone |
| 04:06.03 | dondelelcaro | guestish: dunno. I don't use java |
| 04:06.11 | abrotman | guestish: it's not that good .. it wouldn't even compile Session/HttpSession stuff |
| 04:06.12 | TheBeast | whet my system boots, i got some messages from hotplug, something like ide-cd not found, and ide-generic not found |
| 04:06.21 | Guerin | TheBeast: does everything work? |
| 04:06.24 | guestish | Cray3: just to let you know, you are probably on one of the more fanatical OS channels ;) |
| 04:06.31 | TheBeast | what should I do in order to not try to probe them at boot ? |
| 04:06.31 | guestish | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 04:06.38 | TheBeast | Guerin: yes, everything works |
| 04:06.40 | wols | Guerin: afaik, java1.1 and no full compliance for the classpath of later versions |
| 04:06.52 | Cray3 | Guestish: I've actually been a regular visitor for about 4 years to Openprojects and now freenode. |
| 04:07.04 | Guerin | TheBeast: my advice is, don't worry about them. If you really care, blacklist them in whatever subsystem is loading them. |
| 04:07.25 | rich_ | Problem is debian is too easy so we tell people its only for smart people. They have to use something else until they get confident. |
| 04:07.26 | abrotman | guestish: it installs with tomcat4 in sarge .. but it's not really usable afaict |
| 04:07.26 | TheBeast | Guerin: I was thinking about blaclisting them |
| 04:07.31 | guestish | jasonf: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=java&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 04:07.36 | guestish | jasonf: try using real java |
| 04:07.36 | TheBeast | but where is that blacklist, and how do I do that ? |
| 04:07.37 | Guerin | wols: I know nothing about java, and don't intend to care about it until it's free software :) |
| 04:07.53 | rich_ | Its good for the economy |
| 04:07.58 | guestish | Cray3: then i really dont see why you are reviewing distros, but thats just me |
| 04:08.01 | abrotman | jasonf: there is another way |
| 04:08.05 | Guerin | TheBeast: find out what loads them. It might be discover or hotplug, it might be in /etc/modutils/something |
| 04:08.07 | TheBeast | is it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist ? |
| 04:08.11 | guestish | Cray3: people have been doing that forever, its like reinventing the wheel... |
| 04:08.14 | wols | Guerin: you remember that problem with nick completes I have. it happened again :( |
| 04:08.20 | TheBeast | Guerin: yea, hotplug discovers them |
| 04:08.20 | Guerin | wols: ah, ok. |
| 04:08.26 | abrotman | jasonf: if you install java-package from sid .. and then download the sun sdk . and grab one other package from sid .. you can have sun's sdk rather easily |
| 04:08.39 | jasonf | lol |
| 04:08.45 | jasonf | I'd install it the sun way |
| 04:08.47 | jasonf | before I did it that way |
| 04:08.53 | Guerin | TheBeast: ok, /etc/hotplug/blacklist should work, I guess. |
| 04:09.04 | abrotman | jasonf: it keeps it within the debian system .. much better way to do it if you need to upgrade/uninstall |
| 04:09.08 | Cray3 | Guestish: well, my readers want information so I plan to send the most unbiased information i can about the top 5 or so linux distributions for the benefit of the general public. |
| 04:09.17 | guestish | Cray3: can you reveal the "top 5"? :) |
| 04:09.30 | abrotman | i hope debian makes the list(and not knoppix) |
| 04:09.30 | TheBeast | Guerin: well, I've added "ide-cd" and "ide-generic" in that list, and still nothing |
| 04:09.37 | TheBeast | that's why I'm here |
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| 04:09.48 | Cray3 | Guestish: I'm afraid you'll have to wait for the article. |
| 04:09.51 | guestish | Cray3: heh |
| 04:09.56 | wols | jasonf: deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/ |
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| 04:10.12 | jasonf | wols, what's there? |
| 04:10.13 | abrotman | wols: he's on testing |
| 04:10.24 | guestish | fwuser...where have i seen that before... |
| 04:10.24 | wols | there are other places which create debs of java. all unoffical of course |
| 04:10.30 | Cray3 | Abrotman: Knoppix is very good, you know... |
| 04:10.32 | guestish | jasonf: you dont like my list? |
| 04:10.35 | abrotman | !seen fwuser |
| 04:10.35 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'fwuser', abrotman |
| 04:10.36 | wols | jasonf: Sun JDK |
| 04:10.45 | abrotman | sdk |
| 04:10.52 | guestish | jasonf: http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=j2sdk&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 04:10.55 | abrotman | i don't tink they call it jdk anymore |
| 04:10.57 | guestish | jasonf: that better? =P |
| 04:11.00 | guestish | its j2sdk |
| 04:11.06 | jasonf | I'm going to try out this kaffe thing ;) |
| 04:11.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:11.18 | wols | Cray3: it is a great live cd, but it absolutely fucking truly sucks as a real debian based distro for day to day usage |
| 04:11.19 | guestish | jasonf: sid or woody or sarge? |
| 04:11.28 | jasonf | sarge |
| 04:11.35 | jasonf | and kaffe is not installing a browser plugin |
| 04:11.36 | jasonf | (fail) |
| 04:11.37 | guestish | Cray3: yeah, it never seems like it was made for installing |
| 04:12.00 | guestish | jasonf: http://www.apt-get.org/text/?site=775 |
| 04:12.01 | TheBeast | Guerin: got it. listen a sec. In my /etc/modules I have "ide-cd" and "ide-generic" . and next to them it says /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. |
| 04:12.02 | guestish | jasonf: try that |
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| 04:12.16 | Cray3 | Wols: That is true, but i look at the LiveCD's as more an Emergency Recovery Toolkit than a day-to-day distro, except perhaps in enterprise use where an incorruptable harddisk-less system would be useful. |
| 04:12.18 | guestish | unoficial of course |
| 04:12.19 | TheBeast | is it safe to just erase them from that file ? |
| 04:12.36 | guestish | i stuck a knoppix variant on my usb stick, its sweet |
| 04:12.45 | scarynetworkguy | Cray3: WTF? |
| 04:12.48 | abrotman | guestish: is it the Helix distro? |
| 04:12.50 | Cray3 | Guestish: the "STD" knoppix, perchance? |
| 04:12.58 | wols | Cray3: knoppx would suck in an enterprise setting even more. and unfrotunately there are a lot of idiots who want to use knoppix as a day 2 day distro :( |
| 04:12.59 | nvz | guestish: you mean you got a live usb memory stick? |
| 04:13.01 | helix | I have my own distro? |
| 04:13.06 | abrotman | !helixdistro |
| 04:13.07 | guestish | Cray3: na, mix of damned small linux and knoppix |
| 04:13.09 | abrotman | hmm |
| 04:13.15 | guestish | nvz: well i stuck a distro on it |
| 04:13.20 | helix | I want a helix destroy |
| 04:13.21 | nvz | helix: I think you would know if you had your own distro |
| 04:13.21 | helix | not a distro |
| 04:13.26 | guestish | abrotman: er, nope |
| 04:13.34 | abrotman | helix: yes .. i believe so |
| 04:13.37 | wols | helix: you have your own principle of life, who cares there about a linux distro :) |
| 04:13.42 | jasonf | Guestish: nice |
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| 04:14.29 | guestish | jasonf: what, the repository or the usb drive? :) |
| 04:14.36 | nvz | guestish: do many pcs support booting from those? |
| 04:14.43 | guestish | nvz: only the newer ones... |
| 04:14.53 | jasonf | Guestish: repo |
| 04:14.53 | guestish | nvz: maybe 2-3 years...i dunno |
| 04:14.57 | guestish | jasonf: ah, k |
| 04:14.58 | abrotman | helix: http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ |
| 04:15.05 | rich_ | Don't blame me for not knowing what enterprise is, I tried to figure it out and so far its a combination of a file system and some tools that are supposed to make it so a mid sized workgroup can excange things like email. If you really really need something like that, screw jfs, and all the other god awful modifications, just use evolution. |
| 04:15.07 | Cray3 | Wols: It wouldnt be ideal, but there's excellent premise and room for making it work in the enterprise. |
| 04:15.08 | wols | guestish: all of the neweer ones but only some? |
| 04:15.09 | guestish | jasonf: install as few packages from there as humanly possible |
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| 04:15.10 | abrotman | !helixlinux is http://www.e-fense.com/helix/ |
| 04:15.11 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 04:15.15 | nvz | guestish: yeah this one may do it for all I know |
| 04:15.35 | guestish | nvz: it'll say so when booting, should show up as a mass storage device or usb something in the bios |
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| 04:15.59 | helix | abrotman: heh, cool ;) |
| 04:16.11 | wols | guestish: e.g. have you encountered some new PCs without that capability or is it standard on all now like CD-booting? |
| 04:16.12 | abrotman | helix: we had a guy in here asking about it one day |
| 04:16.12 | helix | Boot the CD and you have Helix. |
| 04:16.13 | nvz | guestish: yeah I dont have anything that I can think of that would pass as a USB mass storage device anyhow |
| 04:16.14 | helix | jeez |
| 04:16.22 | abrotman | helix: want to retract that? |
| 04:16.31 | guestish | wols: well it worked on the 3.0 ghz system i tried, i havent really looked at any others |
| 04:16.36 | guestish | wols: i only got it a few days ago, heh |
| 04:16.41 | helix | abrotman: retract what? |
| 04:16.42 | guestish | nvz: they're pretty cheap now... |
| 04:16.47 | abrotman | helix: oh .. you were quoting the site |
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| 04:16.55 | guestish | abrotman: thats too big for most usb drives... |
| 04:16.56 | helix | yeah |
| 04:17.11 | nvz | guestish: well unless I come up with some way for them to make me money I am not interested |
| 04:17.14 | abrotman | guestish: it just popped into my head .. never used it .. |
| 04:17.24 | guestish | abrotman: oh |
| 04:17.30 | abrotman | guestish: i liked the linuxcare rescue CD .. but it's a dead project i think |
| 04:17.35 | wols | guestish: the ealriest mobo I've seen with support for it was the ECS k7s5a, the really totally cheap mobo. it's from around the athlon 1 GHz days |
| 04:17.38 | guestish | http://rz-obrian.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de/knoppix-usb/ |
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| 04:17.52 | guestish | abrotman: na, its called the bootable business card now |
| 04:17.59 | abrotman | what was the old name? |
| 04:18.05 | abrotman | LBT? |
| 04:18.10 | guestish | abrotman: http://www.lnx-bbc.org/ |
| 04:18.20 | guestish | abrotman: linuxcare sounds right |
| 04:18.30 | Cray3 | Some associates of mine made a bunch of knoppix CDs and went to a local Best Buy and booted every demo machine into Knoppix. They then proceeded to ask the associate to demonstrate the computer to them, all the while recording it with a tiny camera. Quite funny, actually. |
| 04:18.39 | abrotman | guestish: i just couldn't remmeber the name before |
| 04:18.52 | guestish | abrotman: ah, ok |
| 04:19.02 | guestish | abrotman: looks like it might not be maintained anymore...but its a really good distro |
| 04:19.16 | guestish | Cray3: heh... |
| 04:19.17 | nevyn | Cray3: url for the video? |
| 04:19.24 | guestish | Cray3: yeah, please :) |
| 04:19.25 | Cray3 | Nevyn: It's not online. |
| 04:19.35 | nvz | Cray3: thats not a bad idea, those cds would be good for testing a new pc |
| 04:19.36 | guestish | Cray3: post it with the article =D |
| 04:19.37 | abrotman | guestish: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/lbt/related.html |
| 04:19.42 | abrotman | guestish: it was LBT . |
| 04:19.57 | Cray3 | Guestish: Haha, I can see it: "Related Video: Pranksters at Best Buy" |
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| 04:20.30 | guestish | abrotman: ah, ok, so LBX-BBC was a fork, not a renaming |
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| 04:20.36 | nvz | could make a demolinux just for that purpose.. a mini live distro |
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| 04:20.48 | guestish | Cray3: would attract more visitors :) |
| 04:20.50 | abrotman | guestish: yeah .. and the LBT was realyl good |
| 04:21.10 | guestish | abrotman: knoppix is better, if it'll run |
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| 04:21.20 | guestish | abrotman: kind of a big if, heh |
| 04:21.22 | abrotman | guestish: i can't .. it's against my religion |
| 04:21.26 | guestish | abrotman: lol, which is? |
| 04:21.32 | abrotman | guestish: debianism :) |
| 04:22.23 | Cray3 | Debian is great, dont get me wrong |
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| 04:22.42 | guestish | abrotman: heh, the few and the proud :) |
| 04:22.49 | abrotman | Cray3: i sense a "but" |
| 04:22.52 | guestish | Cray3: did you try sarge or woody? |
| 04:22.59 | wols | abrotman: as long as yon only use knoppix for booting directly from CD and don't do harddisk installs, I think the Gods of Debian will forgive you. after all knoppix is debian based anyways :) |
| 04:23.10 | TheBeast | when I boot I get an error msg "setting up IP spoofing protection: FAILED." |
| 04:23.12 | Cray3 | it got the vast majority of votes from users I interviewed as far as 'user friendliness' and 'ease of use' |
| 04:23.12 | abrotman | wols: i'd feel dirty |
| 04:23.17 | guestish | abrotman: you could hear that "but" halfway across the world |
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| 04:23.21 | TheBeast | how can I repair/disable it ? |
| 04:23.31 | guestish | Cray3: woody or sarge? |
| 04:23.36 | Cray3 | Sarge |
| 04:23.42 | guestish | k, just checking :)P |
| 04:23.53 | Cray3 | is that like Boxers or Briefs? the question of the 21st century is now "Woody or Sarge?" |
| 04:23.58 | TheBeast | !IP sppofing |
| 04:24.01 | Cray3 | what about Sid? |
| 04:24.04 | abrotman | woody is soon to be retired |
| 04:24.06 | TheBeast | !IP spoofing |
| 04:24.08 | abrotman | when sarge becomes stable |
| 04:24.09 | wols | TheBeast: it's some /etc/init.d/ file. grep spoofing /etc/init.d/* |
| 04:24.16 | guestish | good, woody is a relic |
| 04:24.22 | abrotman | Cray3: the next version of testing will be 'etch' |
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| 04:24.30 | guestish | abrotman: really? |
| 04:24.36 | Cray3 | they call it 'testing' but it seems stable to me |
| 04:24.37 | abrotman | !etch |
| 04:24.37 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 04:24.38 | guestish | abrotman: i hope that it wont take another 3 years... |
| 04:24.45 | abrotman | guestish: well .. duh :) |
| 04:24.49 | rich_ | Cray3 Debian is the best, thats why it has so many developers. It's linux for the masses. But when I say masses, Im only counting programers. If they aren't ready to learn something they should stay with mandrake or redhat or whatever |
| 04:24.50 | Guerin | !meaning of stable |
| 04:24.50 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. |
| 04:24.57 | TheBeast | wols: or maybe I have a symlink in my rc2.d and removing it will prevent ip sppofing from being activated at boot |
| 04:24.58 | wols | guestish: you are a very optimistic person... |
| 04:25.07 | guestish | Cray3: heh, you obviously have never read the debian packaging guidelines.. |
| 04:25.12 | guestish | wols: =D |
| 04:25.23 | guestish | wols: well im a sid user, so not too obtimistic |
| 04:25.23 | scarynetworkguy | Cray3: What OS is on the machine you are IRCing from? |
| 04:25.26 | guestish | optimistic* |
| 04:25.31 | wols | TheBeast: you have, but that will give you the file which does the setting up. then you can delete it in rc2.d |
| 04:25.32 | abrotman | Cray3: woody is labeled stable becuase it has a known set of bugs .. |
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| 04:25.34 | wols | or edit it |
| 04:25.38 | abrotman | well .. part of the reason |
| 04:25.51 | Cray3 | I did achieve some interesting information, namely, that PalmSource would be working closely with a certain company on improving the Palm OS6 (Codename: Cobalt) for a mid to late 2005 launch of new OS6 devices. |
| 04:25.58 | Cray3 | scarynetworkguy: Right now, WinXP |
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| 04:25.59 | TheBeast | wols: that ip spoofing thing happens before entering in the default runlevel |
| 04:26.07 | abrotman | Cray3: you got that from #debian? |
| 04:26.14 | Cray3 | abrotman: No, heh. |
| 04:26.19 | TheGreatMozilla | abrotman: and that set contains a few bugs as possible? |
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| 04:26.35 | abrotman | TheGreatMozilla: well .. yes .. but it's supposed to have 0 RC bugs |
| 04:26.40 | wols | TheBeast: it's part of /etc/init.d/networking, so better not delete it :) |
| 04:26.44 | wols | just looked |
| 04:26.47 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 04:26.48 | rich_ | Cray3 That sort of confirms what I thought. Your readers dont know unix. Right? |
| 04:26.58 | Cray3 | rich: Right. |
| 04:27.02 | TheBeast | wols: I'll take a look |
| 04:27.04 | Guerin | rich_: it's the NTY, not /. |
| 04:27.11 | TheGreatMozilla | but we all know that even mozilla releases versions with RC bugs. Firefox is a prime example. |
| 04:27.11 | Guerin | nyt, even |
| 04:27.12 | abrotman | rich_: it's the new york times ... |
| 04:27.14 | Arelius | any install cd's have 2.6.8.1-ac? |
| 04:27.22 | guestish | Arelius: erm, im guessing not... |
| 04:27.24 | abrotman | rich_: it's readerbase is large and varied |
| 04:27.24 | Guerin | Arelius: no. |
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| 04:27.32 | abrotman | rich_: i read the NYT sometimes |
| 04:27.56 | Arelius | Guerin, any suggestions for gettin linux installed with an ITE raid controller |
| 04:28.07 | abrotman | rich_: but mostly just becuase i wanna see what the buttheads are saying about the sox :) |
| 04:28.14 | lipe | hi... im trying to extract a rar file, but seens that the file version cant be extracted with 'unrar' (v0.0.1).. can anybody help? |
| 04:28.20 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 04:28.20 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section. |
| 04:28.32 | rich_ | Cray3 Well see, theres dists for people like that. Look around, there's 700 people here, I don't even need to check. You need to read the debian policy guidlines, they clearly show that debian is not just another dist |
| 04:28.33 | Guerin | Arelius: if it's not supported ins tock debian install kernels, you can make a custom d-i |
| 04:28.33 | wols | TheBeast: you using a debian kernel? or a custom one? |
| 04:28.45 | lipe | aah |
| 04:28.48 | lipe | ok, thanks |
| 04:28.52 | TheBeast | wols: found it, found the sh code which activates it. I'll try to modify the script, and if it fails, I'll replace it with the default one |
| 04:28.52 | wols | TheBeast: that ip spoof protect is enabled depending if a certain /proc var exists |
| 04:28.54 | Arelius | Guerin, d-i? |
| 04:28.57 | TheBeast | wols: custom |
| 04:29.01 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 04:29.01 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 04:29.06 | abrotman | !custom d-i |
| 04:29.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, custom d-i is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt |
| 04:29.08 | Guerin | !custo d-i |
| 04:29.10 | Guerin | !custom d-i |
| 04:29.12 | abrotman | i win! |
| 04:29.15 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 04:29.15 | TheGreatMozilla | um.. the Reasons to Choose Debian page claims Easy installation, perhaps it is easy compaired to some distros, but it is still rather hard. The best distro in this respect is Red-hat, bvut Red-hat has a poor packaging system, as we all know. |
| 04:29.27 | Guerin | abrotman: you always pwn me |
| 04:29.32 | Cray3 | Rich: I understand that. |
| 04:29.35 | lipe | another thing.. how can i read pop3 email (only read, without deleting from server) from console? any pkg? |
| 04:29.42 | abrotman | TheGreatMozilla: if you want a gui installer .. then i say use suse .. but otherwise .. debian's is the easiest |
| 04:29.44 | guestish | TheGreatMozilla: bad dependency management, rpms are fine |
| 04:30.02 | wols | lipe: mutt |
| 04:30.08 | rich_ | TheGreatMozilla you mean chooseing your own modules in the installation? Maybe red hats installer seems easier but if your hardware is extra special, you might think debians method was easier |
| 04:30.17 | guestish | TheGreatMozilla: also limited pre-packaged selection |
| 04:30.18 | lipe | tks |
| 04:30.39 | TheBeast | wols: what exactely does that ip spoofing thing, and does it help me a lot ? |
| 04:31.01 | wols | Cray3: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/talk.html |
| 04:31.05 | Cray3 | TheGreatMozilla: Well, there's always the option of using tarballs to install things on Redhat ... |
| 04:31.05 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 04:31.06 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 04:31.29 | wols | TheBeast: afaik it prevents some people from DDOSing you with spoofed package, but it's no full security against that one |
| 04:31.38 | TheGreatMozilla | tarballs really are a pain. |
| 04:31.40 | TheGreatMozilla | abrotman: i well debian also requires extensive post install configureation that red hat often (but not always) does not need, becuase RH come preconfigured in the way most ppl expect. |
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| 04:32.13 | abrotman | TheGreatMozilla: that's bull .. i have both at work .. i can tell you which one is normally less work . easily . .it's debian |
| 04:32.22 | abrotman | (except for when tomcat4 tries to use kaffe) |
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| 04:32.27 | TheBeast | wols: thanks anyway |
| 04:32.36 | Cray3 | yes, I have seen all of these sites. |
| 04:32.36 | TheBeast | I'll se the result righ now |
| 04:32.51 | guestish | Cray3: not much of an option...ever tried to install a tarball and find all its dependencies without overwriting a critical file? |
| 04:33.00 | rich_ | TheGreatMozilla I don't understand what you mean about the post installation. In my case I add about a half a dozen lines to ~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc and Im done. |
| 04:33.07 | TheGreatMozilla | abrotman: i mean immeadeatly after installation, not down the road |
| 04:33.10 | Cray3 | Guestish: Actually, yes. Tarballs are a major pain. but they do work. |
| 04:33.20 | rich_ | Maybe a dozen |
| 04:33.26 | wols | TheGreatMozilla: true, but: all those totally userfriendly distros look like Windows to me: they will work for the default setup for 95% of all people, but if you are one of the 5% or want a really custom setup, you are fscked. and like windows there is no real sane way to get what you want. Plus they all aren't really upgradeable since that would cut into their profits |
| 04:33.27 | guestish | Cray3: oh sure anything works, but that doesnt mean doing it is a good idea |
| 04:33.28 | abrotman | TheGreatMozilla: i still think you're wrong . but whatever floats your boat |
| 04:34.09 | Cray3 | Guestish: Sure, jumping off of a cliff tends to end your pain (assuming there's a long fall to a hard surface below) but it's not a great idea for longeivity of life. |
| 04:34.11 | guestish | Cray3: it takes more knowledge than most redhat users would have to install it properly, and anyone with that level of knowledge would not use redhat unless they worked at hte company |
| 04:34.23 | TheGreatMozilla | very tue, still dselect is ugly, and esy to screw up, so if nothing else a better system needs to be used by default for debian installation |
| 04:34.25 | wols | abrotman: for a pure desktop machine, debian is often more work. BUt the result is usually worth it |
| 04:34.28 | rich_ | I dont even bother to save those lines, they are so simple I just type them from memory each time |
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| 04:34.42 | guestish | the company* |
| 04:34.43 | abrotman | wols: i still disagree .. i run it on my workstation on work .. servers at work . and my laptop at home |
| 04:34.57 | Cray3 | I even went so far as to install Debian to my old iPaq |
| 04:35.04 | Guerin | building and installing stuff from source on debian is no harder than any other *n?x, even in the unlikely case that that source isn't packaged for debian |
| 04:35.16 | guestish | Cray3: the point isnt that you can do it, but if its practical... |
| 04:35.27 | Guerin | plenty of upstream sources even have debian make scripts, etc.. |
| 04:35.42 | abrotman | including the kernel |
| 04:35.43 | guestish | er, the point isnt if you can do it |
| 04:35.47 | guestish | man, i used to know grammar |
| 04:36.00 | guestish | then i became an IRC user...for shame.. |
| 04:36.02 | wols | Guerin: when it is packed as a deb, apt-get source > * |
| 04:36.02 | guestish | ;) |
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| 04:36.14 | abrotman | guestish: you must be in the top 10 on debstats :) |
| 04:36.19 | guestish | abrotman: hah |
| 04:36.21 | wols | I haven't seen a better binary package management which compiles source than debian yet |
| 04:36.28 | guestish | abrotman: actually i have no clue, got a link? ;) |
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| 04:36.34 | abrotman | !debstats |
| 04:36.34 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
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| 04:36.51 | rich_ | TheGreatMozilla the debian package system is the best and the others have been trying to emulate it for a long time. All I can imagine that you mean by that is its awsome majesty is overwhealming. You get used to it. |
| 04:36.51 | guestish | na, im 17th |
| 04:36.52 | abrotman | but it was a joke! |
| 04:36.59 | guestish | abrotman: you are 3rd, congrats :) |
| 04:37.04 | guestish | abrotman: =D |
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| 04:37.15 | Guerin | wols: not for all cases. I like to get php/perl stuff from tarball, to keep it all in one place, but that's primarily because all those things on woody are old. |
| 04:37.16 | guestish | abrotman: deflating jokes is such fan... |
| 04:37.25 | abrotman | guestish: and i've been really busy at work .. how sad is that |
| 04:37.38 | Cray3 | guestish: tsk tsk, IRC ruins the ability to speak english! |
| 04:37.39 | guestish | abrotman: you probably just idle your client =P |
| 04:37.42 | guestish | Cray3: yeah, i know |
| 04:37.43 | wols | Guerin: using custom perl in debian? you are a brave man :) |
| 04:37.50 | guestish | Cray3: but english aside, you get my point? |
| 04:37.51 | Guerin | wols: no, scripts |
| 04:37.57 | Cray3 | guestish: Yes indeed |
| 04:38.02 | Guerin | wols: like awstats, for example |
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| 04:38.08 | abrotman | engrish? |
| 04:38.19 | rich_ | Not everyone here speaks english, but they try. |
| 04:38.23 | guestish | :) |
| 04:38.26 | stew | sussudio: around? |
| 04:38.34 | Cray3 | i'm not going to say that linux is simply superior for everyone and should entirely replace linux. because it's not. it's only 95% superior. |
| 04:38.37 | guestish | Cray3: erm, good then! :) |
| 04:38.39 | stew | for some reason the debstats always seems to think i'm sad |
| 04:38.54 | stew | but i wonder if i've ever put a unhappy face into the channel |
| 04:38.58 | Cray3 | err, i'm sorry |
| 04:39.01 | MyNameIsChris | Will Sarge be released by Christmas? |
| 04:39.02 | Cray3 | entirely replace "windows" |
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| 04:39.07 | jasonf | any 'catches' for rolling your own debian kernel |
| 04:39.08 | Guerin | MyNameIsChris: maybe. |
| 04:39.08 | wols | Cray3: how would linux replace linux? |
| 04:39.09 | stew | MyNameIsChris: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 04:39.12 | Cray3 | IRC is beginning to affect me |
| 04:39.13 | jasonf | like anything I need to include? |
| 04:39.13 | MyNameIsChris | k |
| 04:39.13 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 04:39.14 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 04:39.16 | guestish | Cray3: linux is superior in quality, windows is quite good at user friendly and dumbing everything down |
| 04:39.24 | wols | jasonf: yes. absolutely use make-kpkg |
| 04:39.28 | stew | MyNameIsChris: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 04:39.34 | jasonf | wols, what is that? |
| 04:39.36 | guestish | Cray3: windows simply assumes you dont care about anything except user friendly |
| 04:39.37 | abrotman | !tell MyNameIsChris about sarge stable |
| 04:39.47 | holycow | guestish, i wouldn't exactly say that, i would say that ms gave their customers what they wanted, a completely insecure system |
| 04:39.49 | wols | jasonf: apt-get install kernelpackage |
| 04:39.57 | Guerin | !tell jasonf about kp |
| 04:40.02 | holycow | i wouldn't even blame ms for it, the customers demand a system like that |
| 04:40.02 | wols | jasonf: it creates a deb package you can install with dpkg from the kernel |
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| 04:40.24 | guestish | holycow: their system was designed when there was no internet to simplify things by removing security, it was not intentionally deisgned to let people crack into other people's computers |
| 04:40.27 | abrotman | !tell jasonf about kp |
| 04:40.31 | Guerin | holycow: they demand it because they haven't been encouraged to learn how their computer works or how to use it |
| 04:40.33 | wasted__ | apt: find XftConfig |
| 04:40.35 | Cray3 | guestish: well, if you are lazy, you can always use Windows 2003, it's so very easy to set up, but that begs the question: just how secure is it? and with the Micro**oft track-record, _I_ certainly dont feel very safe with it... |
| 04:40.48 | jasonf | abrotman, thanks for the botspam, Guerin just did that ;) |
| 04:40.49 | guestish | Cray3: most people dont care enough about security to learn |
| 04:40.52 | abrotman | sorry |
| 04:40.53 | wols | holycow: I do. the customer hired MS for their expertise. and any contractor who does a shoddy work relating to the standards in their field, can be sued |
| 04:41.01 | abrotman | jasonf: we try :( |
| 04:41.03 | guestish | Cray3: they type, browse internet, and are perfectly happy |
| 04:41.05 | holycow | guestish, well thats partially true, they are bolting on features, but the running as admin part is what customers demand tho... which causes the most problems |
| 04:41.09 | guestish | Cray3: linux does have a learning curve |
| 04:41.13 | jasonf | gcc isn't a required thing by debian? |
| 04:41.15 | jasonf | interesting. |
| 04:41.18 | guestish | Cray3: windows has a very shallow one |
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| 04:41.25 | wasted__ | apt: find xftconfig |
| 04:41.38 | Guerin | jasonf: build-essential includes gcc and other things which are essential for building stuff |
| 04:41.40 | Cray3 | guestish: but if you have any desire whatsoever, the learning curve isnt so very steep, you know. |
| 04:41.40 | holycow | Guerin, i agree with that, but customers actually don't want to learn, i manage 400 win users, i'm perpetually dismayed at how hard they work at staying ignorant |
| 04:41.42 | MyNameIsChris | Unrelated question: does anyone have Gmail and use pop? |
| 04:41.48 | Cray3 | mynameischris: I do |
| 04:41.50 | rich_ | I never thought about what dist is suitable for nyt readers before. They are old people, mostly over 50 living in one bedroom, high rise apartments, a lot of them retired.... Im going to have to say slackware. We are returning to an era of computer literacy where what we call a computer user is going to have to have some skills again. We made people think they are computer literate, that was a huge illusion, makeing it actually come true wil |
| 04:41.50 | rich_ | l be a harder battle. |
| 04:41.53 | guestish | Cray3: i think its very steep for a florist |
| 04:41.55 | MyNameIsChris | Does smtp work for you? |
| 04:42.01 | abrotman | jasonf: not everyone needs gcc . so why install it |
| 04:42.02 | wasted__ | what i need for truetype fonts hum? |
| 04:42.05 | puff | Damn, this blockcheck has been going on for hours. |
| 04:42.09 | guestish | Cray3: i mean whos ever heard of "root"? |
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| 04:42.15 | Cray3 | mynameischris: yes, do you have the right port information? |
| 04:42.17 | puff | And looks to take another hour. Is there any safe way of interrupting it? |
| 04:42.18 | guestish | holycow: simplicity |
| 04:42.22 | Cray3 | guestish: True |
| 04:42.26 | MyNameIsChris | I thought so, I'll try again |
| 04:42.26 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite rich_ |
| 04:42.28 | Guerin | holycow: they call it "The Microsoft Culture of Ignorance" |
| 04:42.37 | guestish | Cray3: and the tech population isnt all the great |
| 04:42.44 | wols | jasonf: lots of boxes don't have use for gcc, like my 486 for example. tho it very happily runs debian |
| 04:42.53 | holycow | wols, *nod*, that probably applies fine to open source where there is no pressure to come on time with results, problem with software is that people paying for it are not willing to pay for quality ... i just don't believe anyone would pay for the time it would take to build a good product :/ |
| 04:43.11 | guestish | Cray3: the way it works is that you give the people what they want, they dont want security, they want low skill requirements |
| 04:43.23 | elPepo | hi friends... |
| 04:43.26 | MyNameIsChris | Cray3: Are you using Thunderbird by any chance? |
| 04:43.28 | Guerin | puff: go watch a movie or something |
| 04:43.29 | wols | holycow: people pay for OSX just fine, and you can't really say it is shoddy. I don't like it, but it's not shoddy |
| 04:43.31 | guestish | Cray3: but businesses on the otherhand do want security, making it more likely for them to use it |
| 04:43.32 | holycow | man when i used to work in the .com era building web enabled applications, lemme tell ya, those fuckers are blood suckers |
| 04:43.42 | guestish | Cray3: imho of course :) |
| 04:43.45 | krayzone | got a question, is there any kinda way to zoom in and out on a deb desktop? |
| 04:43.46 | holycow | none of them pay on time, and all of them want the world at the price of a pair of loafers |
| 04:43.54 | Guerin | puff: play a game of football or go to the beach or spend some time with your SO/kids/dog/neighbor ... or just go to the pub :) |
| 04:44.02 | wasted__ | apt: truetype font |
| 04:44.08 | abrotman | krayzone: like JAWS in windows? |
| 04:44.16 | shogunx | helo all. searching for documentation for an alphaserver 2100... specifically the service guide. |
| 04:44.22 | holycow | wols, small percentage pay for osx, i keep on telling every single windows user to buy mac and they say no way can't afford it :/ |
| 04:44.25 | guestish | krayzone: well gopericus is good for gnome |
| 04:44.26 | shogunx | anybody got one:) |
| 04:44.31 | jasonf | how do you change root's path? |
| 04:44.32 | krayzone | not sure what windows is, but my resolutoin of 1024x768 looking nothing like it was in windows |
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| 04:44.34 | wols | Cray3: imho businesses are crazy to still use Windows for anything. home users I can agree, those need windows, not linux. But business should overwhelmingly use Linux by now for their own benefit |
| 04:44.34 | Cray3 | Guestish: it makes sense to have a secure network. You say 'who's ever heard of root?' I say, who's ever heard of a worm that destroys Linux computers? In the enterprise network environment, Security and Stability are #1. |
| 04:44.35 | elPepo | please, i wanna make a wireless network in my house ... where do I can look up for information ? (Im using Sarge) |
| 04:44.35 | guestish | abrotman: JAWS is a voice synthiezer for the blind |
| 04:44.40 | abrotman | !alpha |
| 04:44.40 | Guerin | wasted__: /msg the bots. To search factoids, use listkeys foo, or listvals bar |
| 04:44.40 | dpkg | WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. #alpha |
| 04:44.51 | abrotman | guestish: i thought it had a magnifying glass too |
| 04:44.53 | guestish | Cray3: sure, but im sure most of your readers are end-users, not system administrators |
| 04:44.57 | guestish | abrotman: its made for the BLIND |
| 04:44.59 | guestish | abrotman: =P |
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| 04:45.03 | wols | holycow: yes, but Apple is profitable with their OS, so enough people buy it to justify its development |
| 04:45.09 | guestish | abrotman: a blind guy made the program in the first place |
| 04:45.09 | shogunx | abrotman asked there... #alpha |
| 04:45.10 | krayzone | im not blind |
| 04:45.16 | holycow | wols, sure true, so is mercedes |
| 04:45.19 | abrotman | guestish: but i think it has a magnifying glass .. like .. for those that are legally blind .. but not totally |
| 04:45.20 | wols | and I remember a time when a new PC cost 2000$ and more, not 200$ |
| 04:45.21 | holycow | not everyone buys a mercedes |
| 04:45.26 | wols | people bought PCs back then too |
| 04:45.36 | guestish | abrotman: well for 900 dollars thats an expensive magnifying glass |
| 04:45.50 | rich_ | Ok, maybe I was wrong about slakware. When I started with slakware it was before slakware 3 and it was still suitable as a teaching operateing system. The ground floor is minix. |
| 04:45.51 | guestish | Cray3: though that might be an over generalization |
| 04:45.53 | Cray3 | guestish: Well we've seen a marked jump in Tech people (I.E. Sysadmins) reading the tech section since we started it. Though truly it is a consumer end-user oriented section. |
| 04:45.56 | abrotman | guestish: duno .. we had a guy at uni who used it . and he would read uberbig letters |
| 04:46.01 | holycow | wols, i agree with you, i really do think you guys are overestimating the generosity of fuckin microsoft users |
| 04:46.06 | rich_ | minix is The teaching kernel. |
| 04:46.10 | guestish | abrotman: heh |
| 04:46.12 | holycow | cally me jaded :) |
| 04:46.24 | krayzone | i have a screen resolutoin of 1024x768 which all my icoins or big,so i thougth there might be a program in deb that could zoom out or make my icons smaller? |
| 04:46.27 | holycow | they are basically lazy stupid and cheap |
| 04:46.28 | holycow | in that order |
| 04:46.31 | abrotman | guestish: i'm not kidding .. like thing fontsize 60 .. for everything |
| 04:46.36 | guestish | abrotman: O_O |
| 04:46.43 | holycow | they mean well, but the other qualities completely take precedence |
| 04:46.52 | abrotman | guestish: but the guy would type all his own papers |
| 04:47.17 | guestish | Cray3: when weighing windows vs linux you cant just take in account security and clean code, theres more than that... |
| 04:47.21 | krayzone | so chaning my font sizes for everything, should make thing appear smaller and with in resolution? |
| 04:47.27 | abrotman | krayzone: which desktop? |
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| 04:47.36 | krayzone | the gui |
| 04:47.37 | guestish | Cray3: if so we'd all be using openbsd and using bash |
| 04:47.42 | wols | holycow: all humans as a group are. which is one of the main reasons why linux will never really displace windows. And I don't want it to either (would be the worst that could happen to linux I think). |
| 04:47.43 | holycow | as an example, just try to get a windows user to learn a new application ... say gimp |
| 04:47.50 | holycow | open office |
| 04:47.50 | Cray3 | guestish: Yes, there's user-friendliness, usability, learning curve for newbies, application use, application compatability, etc |
| 04:47.51 | holycow | an;ything |
| 04:47.58 | rich_ | It's an advocacy troll. They need to try minix :) |
| 04:48.06 | holycow | they don't learn, they are like cows, the absorb knowledge veeeeerrry slowly |
| 04:48.25 | holycow | wols, *nod* agreed, i'm starting to think that linux taking over is not a good idea |
| 04:48.34 | abrotman | holycow: that's not quite true |
| 04:48.40 | holycow | not because i want to feel l33t and a perpetual underdog |
| 04:48.44 | wols | holycow: I put lots of people on firefox and thunderbird (telling them "if you use outlook, you are on your own. I won't help you" is a good incentive tho) |
| 04:48.50 | abrotman | holycow: what interest do they have to learn OO.o on windows when they can buy Office |
| 04:49.04 | guestish | Cray3: yeah, and then theres single vs multi-user compaibility and all that... |
| 04:49.10 | Cray3 | guestish: yes. |
| 04:49.12 | holycow | abrotman, you mean steal ms office |
| 04:49.12 | wols | abrotman: s/they can buy/they can copy/ |
| 04:49.13 | guestish | Cray3: i mean design |
| 04:49.22 | abrotman | holycow: i mean buy ... |
| 04:49.23 | Cray3 | guestish: linux has Windows beat when it comes to multiuser, though |
| 04:49.30 | guestish | Cray3: and windows has linux beat on single user |
| 04:49.32 | wols | if people really had to pay office or windows, the upsurge in linux would be awesome indeed |
| 04:49.33 | holycow | lol ironically ms success is mostly due warez/their version of open source |
| 04:49.40 | abrotman | holycow: if they are stealing .. that's thier problem .. but lots of people do buy it |
| 04:49.41 | guestish | Cray3: notoriously insecure it is, it still works |
| 04:49.42 | holycow | abrotman, no one buys office, onlyu businesses |
| 04:49.42 | Cray3 | guestish: and remote administration? i mean come on- remote desktop is slow, a linux shell is not! |
| 04:49.56 | abrotman | holycow: not true .. my dad bought 3 copies |
| 04:49.57 | guestish | Cray3: yes, but its more userfriendly |
| 04:50.09 | abrotman | holycow: he bought 3 machines .. bought office for all of them |
| 04:50.11 | wols | abrotman: then your dad is an exception |
| 04:50.12 | rich_ | I see why you would ask that question here. It's because even thoug we all use debian, everyone knows this is where the smart people are and they will give you a fair, unbiased answer. Windows bad, debian good. |
| 04:50.12 | holycow | point bein is oo is free, you put that in front of them and watch them squeal about the tiniest difference |
| 04:50.13 | abrotman | and they are all his |
| 04:50.22 | holycow | its a fascinating psychological study i think |
| 04:50.24 | guestish | Cray3: using a console effectively takes a great deal of skill and memorization |
| 04:50.30 | holycow | abrotman, really? |
| 04:50.31 | guestish | Cray3: remote desktop does not |
| 04:50.33 | holycow | wow :) |
| 04:50.40 | holycow | good to hear someone actually pays for that stuff :) |
| 04:50.44 | guestish | Cray3: though vnc is better ;) |
| 04:50.53 | guestish | Cray3: than remote desktop that is |
| 04:51.02 | abrotman | holycow: well duh .. becasuse people are lazy .. you changed thier stuff .. i've seen the opposite .. people used to using gnome .. stuck using windows .. and bitching |
| 04:51.07 | wols | guestish: I always use vnc anywhere, but vnc sucks |
| 04:51.18 | Cray3 | guestish: but you can use a shell on super low bandwidth. a 28.8 modem. which is often what CDMA phones provide, around 19.2 or so. so you can effectively administrate from _anywhere_ |
| 04:51.21 | guestish | wols: better than remote desktop, and it does what its meant to do well |
| 04:51.25 | wols | the redraw issues and such are just simply ugly. rdesktop and remote X |
| 04:51.36 | guestish | Cray3: if you are system admin or a skilled linux user |
| 04:51.39 | abrotman | Cray3: no .. ssh works on a 14.4 .. trust me :) |
| 04:51.52 | holycow | abrotman, ehe :) as wols said, we all are like that true, i do think the particular windows demographic is closer to my stereotype than your egalitarian view ... tho you are not wron |
| 04:51.52 | holycow | g |
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| 04:52.02 | wols | I dislike remote desktop for other reasons, but image quality is not one of them... |
| 04:52.04 | holycow | i happen to squirm at the thought of using windows :) |
| 04:52.07 | guestish | Cray3: in any case if the computer crashes or the ssh daemon you are sunk |
| 04:52.08 | abrotman | holycow: i'm never wrong :) |
| 04:52.43 | Cray3 | guestish: Yes, but the same goes for windows. |
| 04:52.52 | guestish | Cray3: yeah, and windows does crash more :) |
| 04:52.55 | holycow | abrotman, i do understand why they forget everything i told them 3 seconds after i walk away ... the human mind is not built to retain information like that |
| 04:52.55 | Cray3 | guestish: And you can always have more than one SSH daemon running :) |
| 04:53.02 | guestish | Cray3: no, only one |
| 04:53.04 | carsonc | Of course, the upside of the computer crashing is that it's now completely secure |
| 04:53.09 | holycow | but the disparity between their expectations and reality is huge |
| 04:53.09 | guestish | Cray3: unless you have a good reason... |
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| 04:53.12 | wols | holycow: linux people were the same whne it had 90% of the market. the only reason linux people aren't like that, is cause they are the adventourous who try out new stuff anyways at this point |
| 04:53.15 | Cray3 | guestish: I've had two. it's not hard |
| 04:53.19 | guestish | Cray3: na, just pointless |
| 04:53.23 | holycow | they expect it to work and cost like a toaster but perform like a ferrari |
| 04:53.27 | abrotman | holycow: that's bullshit .. they just don't care .. they think they won't need it .. i tell my boss shit all the time .. and he asks me the same question an hour later |
| 04:53.35 | holycow | most as a result of their own refusal to learn |
| 04:53.39 | Cray3 | anyway, i must be going it is late! |
| 04:53.50 | guestish | Cray3: g'night, been nice chatting with ya |
| 04:53.53 | holycow | wols, *nod* that a good point |
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| 04:54.04 | Cray3 | Good night, citizens of Freenode, Defenders of Debianism, Linux Evangelists, and other such peoples! |
| 04:54.07 | guestish | lol |
| 04:54.17 | wols | Cray3: we prefer the term "zealots" |
| 04:54.18 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.19 | guestish | i gotta get a passport which says "freenode" on it... |
| 04:54.28 | holycow | abrotman, lol, actually i would strongly argue its not them thinking they wont need it |
| 04:54.28 | abrotman | he called us people |
| 04:54.36 | guestish | abrotman: no, peoples :) |
| 04:54.39 | holycow | i really do believe the human mind is not built to store information like that |
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| 04:54.51 | holycow | the human mind is closer to a muscle, it requires repetition to store information |
| 04:55.07 | abrotman | holycow: that's why my boss is so dumb? |
| 04:55.07 | guestish | holycow: i think it is a muscle |
| 04:55.10 | holycow | build up the nerual pathways to adapt to new behaviour |
| 04:55.22 | carsonc | maybe if you could make up a song with the standard shell commands sung to the ABC song |
| 04:55.25 | wasted__ | how.anyone would know why i cant choice ISO-8859-1 in xchat character map? its not even on the list :/ |
| 04:55.27 | wols | holycow: if they wanted to, they would remember. but they just don't care, so they don't and that's ok |
| 04:55.27 | guestish | carnage: lol |
| 04:55.35 | guestish | wasted__: just use unicode |
| 04:55.45 | wasted__ | utf8? |
| 04:55.47 | guestish | yeah |
| 04:55.49 | wols | abrotman: your boss is just apathetic to the subject of computers. like 99% or so of the population |
| 04:55.52 | holycow | abrotman, i know what your getting at, sure if they don't have initiative that is the root cause for not flexing the muscle, but they simply refuse to from what i can see, and thats stupid |
| 04:55.57 | guestish | wasted__: it works just as well |
| 04:56.02 | wasted__ | no |
| 04:56.02 | abrotman | wols: no .. really .. he's dumb :) |
| 04:56.05 | wasted__ | not with my swedish chars |
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| 04:56.23 | wasted__ | unless someone else with utf8 reads.. and that dosent happend often ;P |
| 04:56.25 | holycow | wols, okay perhaps, ill agree witcha both partially :) |
| 04:56.31 | wols | abrotman: ok, your boss might be dumb. not everyone can be on the upper half of the bell curve :) |
| 04:56.49 | abrotman | wols: or the upper 75% :) |
| 04:56.50 | holycow | wols, i'm just complaining about how big the bell curve is |
| 04:56.51 | holycow | :) |
| 04:57.05 | abrotman | wols: he's more like sisyphus |
| 04:57.07 | holycow | my hope would be that the curve would by much les horizontally spread out |
| 04:57.07 | holycow | hehe |
| 04:57.32 | abrotman | anything good? |
| 04:57.33 | wasted__ | noone knows? |
| 04:57.47 | wols | abrotman: see it positive: dumb people like him keep you in work to help him to cope with those strange things called computers |
| 04:58.00 | holycow | i would highly recommend chronicle of riddick, editors cut btw |
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| 04:58.12 | holycow | great movie on dvd, very beautiful design and gfx |
| 04:58.12 | abrotman | wols: except when he's the company owner .. that's bad .. cuase you rely on him for a paycheck |
| 04:58.21 | docgnome | Is there a decent Midi Synth Proggy availible? |
| 04:58.28 | dondelelcaro | docgnome: there are many. |
| 04:58.40 | abrotman | i want wired to work darn it! |
| 04:58.42 | wols | approach it all as a techno shaman who does strange incantations to protect the masses ("boss") from the evil spirits of the computers |
| 04:58.50 | holycow | wols, your right i mean there is that, my cfo can look at me and apply the same stereotype to me in relationship to his understanding of accounting |
| 04:59.08 | docgnome | dondelelcaro: Right, Any recomendations?:-) |
| 04:59.18 | wols | abrotman: all that matters for him is to be a good businessman, doesn't mean he has tu nderstand computers but business |
| 04:59.19 | holycow | i have no interest in it and would never pass an accounting exam |
| 04:59.22 | dondelelcaro | docgnome: I prefer hardware synhths myself. |
| 04:59.23 | abrotman | wols: he isn't |
| 04:59.35 | wols | abrotman: then you are in trouble :( |
| 04:59.40 | abrotman | wols: well .. duh :) |
| 04:59.47 | docgnome | dondelelcaro: Well, I just need it for one thing, so I'm not gonna buy a hardware synth |
| 05:00.37 | wols | don't has soundcards midi support. my old soundblaster 8 even said so :) |
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| 05:01.04 | dondelelcaro | wols: good ones do... but alot of them now require software synths |
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| 05:01.08 | wols | is there a #grammar on freenode? I need to idle there. a lot |
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| 05:01.23 | dondelelcaro | docgnome: timidity has some support, there are a few others. apt-cache search midi synth; will give you the whole list. |
| 05:01.23 | abrotman | wols: we noticed .. and take nvz with you! :) |
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| 05:02.00 | abrotman | Guerin: ? |
| 05:02.36 | abrotman | Guerin: man grip |
| 05:02.40 | jaymez | anyone know what the default ftp server is for debian mips port? ps auxww | grep ftp - returns nothing, i need to edit user login paths |
| 05:02.49 | rich_ | wols don't let it bother you. Grammer is an ok hobby but linux is the language of God :) |
| 05:02.57 | dondelelcaro | jaymez: default ftp server? Uh, there isn't one. |
| 05:03.08 | abrotman | jaymez: there isn't one .. yolu have to install one |
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| 05:03.16 | Guerin | jaymez: man ftpd |
| 05:03.17 | jaymez | dondel - hmm i can ftp into my machine ? |
| 05:03.21 | wols | rich_: tell this to my C compiler. it gets VERY angry anytime i make a mistake |
| 05:03.26 | abrotman | jaymez: then you installed one |
| 05:03.27 | dondelelcaro | jaymez: if you install an ftpd, yes, you can. |
| 05:03.29 | wols | so good grammar is really indispensable |
| 05:03.33 | abrotman | jaymez: dpkg -l | grep ftp |
| 05:03.36 | dondelelcaro | jaymez: but you're probably better off using ssh and scp |
| 05:03.46 | Guerin | jaymez: man apt-cache |
| 05:03.50 | Guerin | jaymez: man dpkg |
| 05:03.52 | dondelelcaro | bah. grammar and spelling are overrated. |
| 05:03.53 | abrotman | wols: nos .. not |
| 05:03.57 | Guerin | jaymez: man man |
| 05:04.01 | rich_ | wols I think thats syntax. |
| 05:04.06 | abrotman | Guerin: heh |
| 05:04.08 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.16 | nvz | :p |
| 05:04.31 | wols | rich_: C has a grammar, it's just expressed in BNF |
| 05:04.37 | abrotman | nvz: where' your logging program? |
| 05:04.49 | rich_ | wols when you said grammer I assumed you meant english. Sorry for that |
| 05:04.50 | abrotman | now perl .. perl has no grammar :) |
| 05:04.52 | nvz | abrotman: I was too lazy to change screens |
| 05:04.53 | jaymez | i didn't install it myself...when i did the nfs installation of debian onto my cobalt qube it installed it for me, when i dpkg -l | grep ftp it returns the ftp client...but nothing of a server |
| 05:05.10 | carsonc | Then you don't have an ftp server installed |
| 05:05.14 | Guerin | jaymez: YOU HAVE TO INSTALL A GDMF ftpd |
| 05:05.16 | abrotman | jaymez: you absolutely installed it .. |
| 05:05.25 | wols | abrotman: that's why people who want to keep their sanity stay away from it |
| 05:05.25 | abrotman | Guerin: man install ? |
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| 05:05.36 | abrotman | wols: didn't help me |
| 05:05.42 | holycow | *hmmm* you guys have some good points, i can see how a closed system like windows leads to the "elephant on a chain" psychology. if they don't know they can't do stuff they wont bother to learn |
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| 05:05.50 | holycow | perhaps if people had access to linux |
| 05:05.59 | jaymez | Guerin - chill out |
| 05:06.01 | holycow | plus say a framework of k nowledge and training to fall back upon |
| 05:06.04 | abrotman | wtf is the elephant doing on a chain |
| 05:06.05 | wols | tho I'm really excited about parrot: those perl programmers don't know how to create a language, but they sure know how to program |
| 05:06.06 | abrotman | jaymez: you started it |
| 05:06.08 | carsonc | holycow: Or at least access to some more elephants |
| 05:06.10 | holycow | something a little more formal than say google |
| 05:06.12 | wols | of course I will only run python in it :) |
| 05:06.15 | holycow | carsonc, hehehe :) |
| 05:06.40 | holycow | maaaaybe you guys are right, afterall, the thing about linux being open is that it encourages you to learn |
| 05:06.51 | holycow | wheras a closed system discourages it |
| 05:06.55 | holycow | never thought of it that way |
| 05:07.04 | Guerin | jaymez: man apt-get |
| 05:07.07 | holycow | altho mac users are happy enough, so there is that demographic still |
| 05:07.08 | abrotman | wtf is the elephant doing on a chain |
| 05:07.31 | wols | holycow: I don't think the closedness of windows is inherently bad: it is bad for me, but a normal business won't care about open or free. and there are lots of other good, secure server OSes which are closed |
| 05:07.33 | dondelelcaro | holycow: their elephant on a chain is slightly smaller and decidedly more visually appealing. |
| 05:07.41 | holycow | abrotman, you know the idea where a circus can keep an elephant tied to a tiny chain and it wont try to break out because it's been trained as a young elephant that it can't? |
| 05:07.42 | Guerin | holycow: mac users are happy and ignorant, whereas windows users are unhappy and ignorant. They're still both ignorant. |
| 05:07.44 | wols | the reason windows is such a pile of shit is entirely to blame on MS itself |
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| 05:07.58 | rich_ | holycow It seems to me, that the thing that makes linux so popular is other alternatives are very very expensive. Windows is not and never was an alternative for people who use unix. Bottom line is that debian is not the best windows, its the easiest unix. There is a big difference. |
| 05:08.05 | abrotman | holycow: no .. i dn't torture animals 50 times my size |
| 05:08.06 | carsonc | I think, even more, though, holycow, is that in a closed system, while you may be encouraged to learn, there's a point beyond which you simply cannot go. If the software doesn't support what you want to do, and you don't have access to the source code.... Whereas, in an open system, a sufficiently motivated person can take the entire system to new levels |
| 05:08.20 | holycow | wols true, but i'm thinking about why people don't like to learn... maybe they are afraid because they don't know? |
| 05:08.30 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but ants aren't safe from you? |
| 05:08.40 | wols | holycow: cause leraning is hard. and people don#t want to do hard things |
| 05:08.42 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i can't help it .. the fuckers walk on the road |
| 05:08.42 | holycow | all the windows users that come here start asking newb questions soon find their way and learn to google |
| 05:08.59 | holycow | dondelelcaro, rofl :) thats a great point |
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| 05:09.18 | jaymez | guerin - i know how to fucking use apt get you peice of shit, the install installed the service for me, i didn't manually install it, i took necessary steps before coming in here asking this shit, i CAN ftp into my box, but i can't find a service running, take your answer every question with man and shove it up your ass because evidently you only give that answer cuz you are a fucking idiot, i hope you choke on your own ego |
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| 05:09.51 | abrotman | i gave him his answer .. 2 seconds after he asked |
| 05:09.51 | carsonc | Anger isn't going to solve his problem. |
| 05:09.59 | wols | maybe it made him happier to vent |
| 05:09.59 | holycow | rich_, its also difficult to make linux work even with something as easy as debian it took me a good number of months to change my mindset and replace enough apps so that i could barely funciton |
| 05:10.09 | abrotman | i see his problem .. cox.net |
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| 05:10.12 | JVaughn | "he told you Guerin" *snaps his fingers* |
| 05:10.14 | JVaughn | ;0 |
| 05:10.14 | holycow | like wols says it is hard work to some degree? |
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| 05:10.49 | dondelelcaro | damn. that diatribe must have taken some serious time to type out... |
| 05:10.57 | holycow | altho, i would also say that a lot of windows users don't know how to learn, i notice most linux users learn to learn, and eventually get to a point where they can reasearch things really well ... so no question needs to be asked i guess *shrug* |
| 05:11.02 | rich_ | holycow maybe they don't want to learn because they have jobs. Maybe their lot in life is to learn carpentry, or plumbing, or nuclear physichs. It is only people who wish to be computer literate, who bother to learn anything about computers. |
| 05:11.15 | carsonc | dondelelcaro: And yet he didn't take the time to use proper capitalization. Irony, that. |
| 05:11.18 | rich_ | We are like 10% |
| 05:11.23 | abrotman | Guerin: what does your ego taste like? |
| 05:11.25 | rich_ | And thats huge |
| 05:11.25 | holycow | carsonc, re: above point, oh yeah exactly *nod* i see that |
| 05:11.43 | holycow | rich_, *nod* good point too |
| 05:11.57 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: like cardbordy belgian waffles... |
| 05:12.09 | abrotman | ewww |
| 05:12.17 | holycow | *mmmmmm* cardboard |
| 05:12.19 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: hey, leggo my fucking eggo. |
| 05:12.20 | jasonf | abrotman, do you sleep? |
| 05:12.21 | jasonf | lol |
| 05:12.23 | Trev_ | Anyone want to take a stab at his current Blood Pressure ? |
| 05:12.23 | rich_ | holycow my father crushed atomes for stanford his whole life. His degree was in math . To this day, he hates computers and only uses windows. |
| 05:12.28 | wols | rich_: they don't have to learn to program kernel modules, but I remember a time in the eighties were the normal computer user was much more learned about DOS than it is now about windows |
| 05:12.28 | abrotman | jasonf: huh? |
| 05:12.36 | abrotman | jasonf: why do you ask? |
| 05:12.36 | holycow | rich_, really? |
| 05:12.37 | holycow | heh |
| 05:12.39 | wols | the amount of knowledge per user has really gone down |
| 05:12.45 | jasonf | you've been up since I started asking my questions |
| 05:12.51 | jasonf | it's 12:15am here ;) |
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| 05:12.59 | abrotman | jasonf: up? .. it's midnight here |
| 05:13.04 | rich_ | holycow yes. Theres a huge majority of the world who kind of wishes computers didn't exist |
| 05:13.05 | carsonc | wols: *nod* It has, but in general, I'm not sure that's a bad thing. |
| 05:13.20 | dondelelcaro | rich_: they only think they wish that... |
| 05:13.26 | carsonc | Computers are, for better or for worse, the present and the future. |
| 05:13.47 | holycow | wols, i would say that computers arent that hard to understand, i cant code shit but i can use linux. a computer system is more like a lego set today than anything. plug some shit in, understand some schema concepts about how the stuff works, stick a cd in and your off and running. |
| 05:13.48 | carsonc | And they need to be less complex. Complex is scary. Simple is easy. |
| 05:14.07 | holycow | rich_, yes they all work at the same place i do >_> |
| 05:14.16 | rich_ | dondelelcaro Well in my fathers case, it was because he cant draw it on a circuit diagram I think. It's a mystery that took the truth out of the hands of the mathamaticians like himself |
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| 05:14.48 | Trev_ | You dont go making complex stuff simple.. does that not defeat its purpose ? Give a brain surgeon a hammer.. yea ? |
| 05:15.08 | holycow | Trev_, very good point, i agree with that too |
| 05:15.19 | carsonc | Trev_: Not the same idea. I'm more saying, "Give a stethoscope to every doctor." |
| 05:15.23 | Trev_ | Linux is a problem fixing tool. Not a toy. |
| 05:15.26 | carsonc | Specialization will always have its place |
| 05:15.35 | holycow | just limit the functionality of the stethoscope maybe? |
| 05:15.38 | dondelelcaro | Trev_: it can easily be both... |
| 05:15.41 | Trev_ | Then buy a stethosocope... |
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| 05:16.40 | Trev_ | dondelelcaro Yes... for those who understand the complexity to it... |
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| 05:17.18 | Trev_ | Hence why MS has the market... Click.. two times.. and something happens... and its pretty.. |
| 05:17.35 | holycow | oh and yey! firefox 1.0 is rinally in debian ^_^ |
| 05:17.47 | abrotman | for a few days |
| 05:17.53 | abrotman | slowpoke |
| 05:18.01 | Trev_ | Firefox was on msnbc today =) Seen it at the airport on the way back from Lisa.. |
| 05:18.11 | holycow | ehe :) |
| 05:18.19 | carsonc | Right, Trev_. Most general doctors, to keep up the analogy, only need the stethoscope. |
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| 05:19.02 | carsonc | But the future, I think, is, stuff like being able to pause your TV program and say "Hey, TV, buy me a sweater just like that one." And then it arrives tomorrow. |
| 05:19.09 | carsonc | That's computers, that's networking. But it's not complexity. |
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| 05:19.27 | Trev_ | The front end or back end Carsonc ? Complex or simple ? |
| 05:19.40 | wols | carsonc: do you think people will want that? |
| 05:19.43 | Guerin | carsonc: I think not being able to buy stuff like that is valuable. |
| 05:20.26 | carsonc | wols: Maybe not that specific example. But yeah, stuff in that general vein |
| 05:20.26 | wols | I know my mum will want to have the recipes the TV chef just prepared or info about the latest tourist trap on TV and stuff like that |
| 05:20.26 | carsonc | Trev_: The back end will always have its place; we'll always need brain surgeons. |
| 05:20.29 | holycow | i wonder if it would be possible to build up a spec for customer needs |
| 05:20.30 | wols | but I don't think she would want to do home shopping via TV |
| 05:20.34 | Trev_ | with hammers =) |
| 05:20.39 | wols | maybe it's different in the US than europe |
| 05:20.46 | holycow | something that you could apply to help define the various user demographics and the overlaps between the definitions |
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| 05:20.55 | holycow | then customize debian or whatever for that demographic |
| 05:21.14 | carsonc | wols: Or maybe something like being able to stop your TV and say "Hey, what else has that actress been in?" and get a filmography. Perhaps that's a better example. |
| 05:21.18 | jasonf | anyone else having trobule with 2.6.9 kernel |
| 05:21.27 | jasonf | this is the second corrupted kernel I've downloaded |
| 05:21.35 | holycow | carsonc, i love that idea just by it self :) |
| 05:21.45 | wols | jasonf: running 2.6.9 vanilla just fine here |
| 05:21.50 | Trev_ | 2.6.8-1-k7 <-- is me sorry |
| 05:21.51 | holycow | i was thinking on the way home today about designing a car as a kit |
| 05:21.53 | holycow | like linux |
| 05:22.00 | wols | holycow: look at mythtv. it's halfway there |
| 05:22.03 | abrotman | jasonf: md5 doesn't match? |
| 05:22.12 | jasonf | where can I get an md5 for it |
| 05:22.19 | holycow | where you purchase the platform, body, engine separately and it gets put together for ya |
| 05:22.21 | holycow | ehe :) |
| 05:22.29 | abrotman | sohuld be in the ftp archive .. you mean from kernel.org right? |
| 05:22.33 | puff | carsonc There are people already doing something sort of like the sweater thing. |
| 05:22.36 | wols | jasonf: what is the problem with 2.6.9? untarring, compiling or running it? |
| 05:22.40 | holycow | wols, really? *hmmm* |
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| 05:22.49 | puff | carsonc Targeted advertisements based on what's showing up on the TV. |
| 05:22.53 | holycow | i'll haveto give that another shot i didn't manage to make it work last time |
| 05:22.55 | jasonf | wols, untarring |
| 05:23.06 | Guerin | jasonf: what error do you get? |
| 05:23.10 | carsonc | puff: Interesting. Do you have an article/link/whatever? |
| 05:23.13 | rich_ | holycow There are cars you can buy as a kit |
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| 05:23.15 | wols | jasonf: and how do you try untarring it? |
| 05:23.23 | wols | jasonf: full commandline if possible |
| 05:23.27 | jasonf | wols, I know how to untar a linux kernel :) |
| 05:23.28 | puff | carsonc Nah, was talking to a guy about it the other day. |
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| 05:23.32 | puff | Who's working on it. |
| 05:23.39 | jasonf | I'm getting an error linux-2.6.9/include/asm-ppc/ibm405.h |
| 05:23.39 | jasonf | bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing. |
| 05:23.39 | wols | jasonf: sorry just checking. |
| 05:23.47 | jasonf | and then it spits out |
| 05:23.47 | holycow | rich yeah, was thinking something way cooler tho |
| 05:23.50 | puff | holycow I've heard that Toyota's doing something like that with cars, actually :-). |
| 05:23.51 | jasonf | how I can use bzip2recover |
| 05:23.52 | holycow | like putting rockets in it |
| 05:23.54 | jasonf | blah blah blah |
| 05:23.55 | holycow | >_> |
| 05:23.58 | rich_ | holycow They are apropriately named kit-cars and they tend to be replications of classics, but with fiberglass bodies |
| 05:24.02 | abrotman | jasonf: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 05:24.03 | holycow | puff, really? ehe |
| 05:24.10 | puff | Apparently the whole Total Toyota Process, or something, is getting a heck of al ot of attention now. |
| 05:24.16 | Guerin | jasonf: how did you download it? with what utility? |
| 05:24.22 | puff | It's apparently much like agile programming methodologies, but applied to manufacturing. |
| 05:24.24 | sushi | hi, i've just installed woody, installed the packages and rebooted. now i'm getting hostname login: prompt but how can i login as root ? |
| 05:24.33 | jasonf | Guerin, wget |
| 05:24.35 | holycow | rich i was thinking more in terms of standardized frames onto which you could swap body pannels |
| 05:24.35 | abrotman | sushi: you set the root password |
| 05:24.37 | puff | One of the facets is getting all/most of their systems using the same components. |
| 05:24.41 | jasonf | abrotman, because I always use my own rolled kernels |
| 05:24.43 | sushi | what's the default password ? |
| 05:24.45 | wols | sushi: when you installed, you had to set a root password, no? |
| 05:24.52 | puff | To reduce the amount of inventory they have lying around. |
| 05:24.54 | abrotman | sushi: there isn't one .. you set it |
| 05:24.57 | holycow | so like if you dont like a part of a car, you could swap out the side pannels easily and buy ones made by a supplier that you liked |
| 05:24.57 | wols | sushi: whatever you set it to at install time |
| 05:24.58 | jasonf | abrotman, I'm a debian noob, but not a linux noob :) |
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| 05:25.19 | rich_ | holycow good idea but wouldnt they fall off like hubcaps? |
| 05:25.19 | holycow | but that would never work, everyone would have a different set of standards |
| 05:25.20 | holycow | *sigh* |
| 05:25.21 | Trev_ | Try your user password sushi.. you prolly entered it for both requests |
| 05:25.25 | wols | jasonf: use a different kernel mirror perhaps |
| 05:25.39 | holycow | rich ehe :) well ya know... i would relish having a passenger seat that goes *boing* |
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| 05:25.56 | wols | e.g. when you downloaded from ftp.de.kernel.org, now use ftp.fr.kernel.org |
| 05:26.01 | sushi | thx gues i think i missed the root password setting during installation |
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| 05:26.12 | wols | sushi: you had to type it in twice |
| 05:26.16 | holycow | oh but what i forgot to mention, i was looking at my instrument panel and i thought i could replace that all with a 15 inch lcd |
| 05:26.23 | Guerin | jasonf: http://daesan.excellentmax.net/linux-2.6.9.tar.gz <-- stock linux source |
| 05:26.34 | holycow | and all of that could be controlled via some touchscreen maybe |
| 05:26.39 | wols | sushi: if you haven't set one, try just pressing "enter" for a blank password |
| 05:26.39 | Guerin | jasonf: try that package and see. I got it from kernel.org a few days after release. |
| 05:26.45 | abrotman | sushi: that would be kind of hard |
| 05:26.49 | holycow | but as its an lcd it could double as dvd player, show maps |
| 05:26.53 | holycow | anything i guess |
| 05:27.02 | jasonf | Guerin, getting it now |
| 05:27.25 | Guerin | jasonf: md5 it off kernel.org if you like |
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| 05:29.27 | carsonc | Is there any way to tell what driver I would need for the touchscreen on a no-name laptop? |
| 05:29.43 | carsonc | All the stuff I've seen about config via Google has assumed you already knew the driver you needed |
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| 05:29.47 | Guerin | carsonc: google, lspci, modconf in combination |
| 05:29.57 | abrotman | carsonc: touchscreen or touchpad? |
| 05:29.59 | anihilator | xmms should play straight mp3s right? I shouldn't have to convert them? |
| 05:30.05 | carsonc | abrotman: both, actually |
| 05:30.09 | Guerin | carsonc: google your brandname and model |
| 05:30.12 | Guerin | anihilator: yes. |
| 05:30.13 | docgnome | Is there a decent wav to midi converter for debian? |
| 05:30.37 | abrotman | carsonc: check linux-laptop.net |
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| 05:30.48 | carsonc | guerin: Yes, I've done that. http://www.clevo.com.tw/products/T200C.asp for the record is the spec page. But nobody seems to have other info |
| 05:30.51 | abrotman | docgnome: apt-cache search midi wav ? |
| 05:30.58 | carsonc | lspci doesn't say, I don't think |
| 05:31.12 | Guerin | carsonc: it should mention what chipset the touchscreen is based on, or some other details. |
| 05:31.13 | docgnome | abrotman: Didn't comeup with anything, I was just wondering if anyone knew of anything else. |
| 05:31.31 | Guerin | docgnome: timidity might? |
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| 05:32.23 | wols | carsonc: there are only very few real notebook manufacturers. chances are your notebook is sold under another name from a brand name as well |
| 05:32.26 | carsonc | Well, it's a VIA VT8623. The display works fine; I'm looking to make it work as an input device |
| 05:32.29 | harryvetc | are there any home type security apts that email me if say our house was broken in? |
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| 05:32.46 | abrotman | docgnome: audacity can do some conversions .. dunno about midi |
| 05:32.47 | wols | maybe look for similar looking notebooks. then you can check those notebooks for linux compatibility |
| 05:33.02 | carsonc | wols: Yeah, I bought it from elementcomputer.com (btw, psa: don't buy stuff from them; their service sucks) Clevo is the actual manufacturer. |
| 05:33.11 | abrotman | jasonf: see . i sleep |
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| 05:34.00 | rich_ | harryvetc Actually yes, but there's very little information about it. Its a thing you set in bios and my suspician is that it sends the message to intel |
| 05:34.01 | carsonc | And I know the touchscreen /will/ work as an input device, because it was doing so when I got the computer. |
| 05:34.13 | carsonc | But now that I've wiped the drive and put Ubuntu on it.... |
| 05:34.44 | rich_ | harryvetc completely hardware based though. Has nothing to do with linux |
| 05:35.31 | rich_ | harryvetc and its just for if someone steals your computer |
| 05:36.11 | carsonc | Computer theft is why I store everything on PS2 memory cards and carry them around with me |
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| 05:36.43 | carsonc | okay, not really, but I'd bet money there's a spy somewhere doing that |
| 05:36.51 | Guerin | hahah |
| 05:36.53 | rich_ | since I retired, I very seldom cary my computer anyplace. And I'm ussually home. |
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| 05:37.38 | takatumi_ | rich_: retired already? too early |
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| 05:38.25 | rich_ | takatumi yea, it might not last forever. I'm hopeing to move to a college town and make a few dux off the students |
| 05:38.33 | rich_ | bux |
| 05:38.40 | rich_ | or ducats I guess |
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| 05:38.52 | holycow | rich, ehe, i want something like this running full debian --> http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9515058426.html |
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| 05:39.34 | dondelelcaro | holycow: it'll probably work if it really is arm... |
| 05:40.09 | rich_ | holycow very nice, but I'd look around. All major computer makers are offering linux as an alternative to their proprietary unic |
| 05:40.36 | rich_ | a cheaper alternative, I might add |
| 05:40.40 | wols | dondelelcaro: afaik all Free zaurus distros are based on debian |
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| 05:40.58 | wols | at least the more used ones are (I am sure there are a few gentoo zealots with their own) |
| 05:41.01 | holycow | heh, its a dream anyway, lots of the problems with stuff like this is getting drivers to work :/ and without specs ... |
| 05:41.16 | jasonf | does apt stand for anything in particular? |
| 05:41.30 | rich_ | holycow give it a few years. It really isnt as hard as it seems |
| 05:41.34 | spinifex | apt? |
| 05:41.38 | holycow | heh, hopefully |
| 05:41.47 | wols | holycow: openzaurus is already debian based |
| 05:42.03 | jasonf | gourdin, it worked! thanks |
| 05:42.17 | wols | only problem is always that damn SD slot: no dice to get that working without a blessed by Sharp kernel |
| 05:42.18 | jasonf | thx Qo-noS |
| 05:42.23 | spinifex | anyone know how to set up acer tablet pen drivers in debian? |
| 05:42.34 | Qo-noS | jasonf: no probs. you are welcome ;) |
| 05:42.43 | holycow | wols, yeh, ever see what the clamshell zaurus, now only sold in japan actually cost? |
| 05:42.47 | rich_ | holycow when I bought my laptop, I was afraid. Its'usp-pcmcia based,etc, it had windows on it. It took me a week or so to figure out the kernel config. No problem. |
| 05:42.50 | wols | I think they use a module for it since they can't opensource the drivers for it since SD license auth won't allow it |
| 05:43.00 | rich_ | I mean usb-pcmcia |
| 05:43.04 | holycow | lemme rephrase, i want one of those clamshell dealies cheap, not at import jap prices >_> |
| 05:43.09 | wols | holycow: I know. zaurus are always expensive. but oh so sweet... |
| 05:43.36 | wols | but their battery life sucks :( |
| 05:43.46 | holycow | heh *nod* i bet |
| 05:44.03 | holycow | i wonder if one could strap a laptop sized batter to it |
| 05:44.07 | holycow | with some kind of converter |
| 05:44.09 | wols | I know. friends had one (not a clamshell one. a 5500) |
| 05:44.15 | spinifex | any advice on setting up my tablet drivers? I'm not sure where to start |
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| 05:44.24 | spinifex | I know there's linux tablet pc programs |
| 05:44.25 | wols | with a wireless card the uptime was about 90 minutes if I remember correctly |
| 05:44.34 | holycow | and just run a wire to a knap sack or something, could still be portable that way |
| 05:44.52 | holycow | wols, it had a wireless pcmcia? oh i didn't know they came with that capability |
| 05:45.11 | wols | the Z has a way to charge the battery. if you connect that to a big battery... |
| 05:45.16 | spinifex | this is an acer travelmate c302x-mi (c300 series).. |
| 05:45.21 | holycow | wols, really? |
| 05:45.25 | holycow | neat, i didn't know |
| 05:45.29 | wols | holycow: no. it had a card slot with wireless adapters for that |
| 05:45.41 | holycow | ah okay |
| 05:45.50 | wols | it had two slots: one PC card, one SD card |
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| 05:46.29 | holycow | wols, ideally tho, even if one had to carry a bigger battery tho, tons of ram and a laptop hd would be key in such a device |
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| 05:46.59 | holycow | anything less and you are sacrificing a lot of the functionality, trying to sqeeze a big monkey into a matchbox dealy |
| 05:47.04 | Guerin | holycow: why not just get a small laptop? |
| 05:47.09 | wols | holycow: enter that Sony subnotebook thingie with the insane price |
| 05:47.18 | wols | or the oqo and all those |
| 05:47.31 | wols | holycow: price |
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| 05:47.45 | holycow | Guerin, they don't make em small enough i guess? *shrug* i bought a toughbook for my boss which is incredibly tiny, but witha 12 inch lcd its still a laptop |
| 05:47.59 | holycow | wols, ehe *nod* yeah true |
| 05:48.17 | wols | holycow: the ones I mentioned are really tiny. but at 2000$ a pop, the price is just out of this world |
| 05:48.25 | Guerin | holycow: fujitsu make laptops down to 8 or 10" screen. |
| 05:48.37 | jabooty | so I have slackware 10 installed on my laptop, and it isn't playing nice. Is there any way to install debian without having a disk now? |
| 05:48.43 | Guerin | holycow: which toughbook? |
| 05:48.56 | spinifex | that's odd.. I go to freenode or efnet or debian, and the channel #debian is always the same.. I thought these were different networks |
| 05:49.03 | Guerin | jabooty: no, you need a disk of some kind. Even a hard disk will do. |
| 05:49.17 | harryvetc | guerin, talking about panasonic toughbook |
| 05:49.18 | Guerin | spinifex: irc.debian.org is a symlink to freenode |
| 05:49.23 | spinifex | ah |
| 05:49.33 | Guerin | harryvetc: I know what a toughbook is, I wasnted to know which model. |
| 05:49.55 | holycow | Guerin, looking, but the panasonic website sucks big ones |
| 05:49.58 | holycow | really big ones |
| 05:50.02 | Guerin | holycow: it fully does |
| 05:50.02 | takatumi_ | jabooty: or try debootstrap |
| 05:50.09 | jabooty | what is debootstrap? |
| 05:50.15 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 05:50.15 | dpkg | hmm... chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 05:50.22 | holycow | rofl, their little tab icon is microsofts e gif |
| 05:50.24 | holycow | hahaha! |
| 05:50.24 | holycow | man |
| 05:50.33 | holycow | i cant believe they make such a quality notebook tho |
| 05:50.35 | Guerin | holycow: yeah, how naff is that |
| 05:50.38 | jasonf | wow |
| 05:50.46 | jasonf | Guerin, now whenever I try to make config on your copy |
| 05:50.48 | carsonc | toughbooks are a pain. |
| 05:50.49 | jasonf | I get a strang error |
| 05:50.53 | jasonf | *strange |
| 05:50.53 | carsonc | literally. they're heavy. |
| 05:50.59 | jasonf | Guerin, /j #flood |
| 05:51.13 | wols | jasonf: are you sure your hardware is up to spec? no memory errors or such? |
| 05:51.15 | Guerin | jasonf: did you run the md5 from kernel.org before unpacking it? |
| 05:51.31 | holycow | http://www.londondrugs.com/Cultures/en-US/Product+Detail/Computers.htm?CatalogNavigationBreadCrumbs=Computers;Computers;PC%20Computer%20Systems;Notebooks;Panasonic%20Toughbook%20CF-W2%20Notebook%20Computer&CS_Catalog=Computers&CS_RootCategory=Computers&CS_Category=Notebooks&CS_ProductID=1013168&ProductTab=1 <-- that one |
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| 05:51.36 | holycow | with a cd burner |
| 05:51.53 | holycow | it really turned out to be superb, ran debian perfect except for the winmodem |
| 05:52.06 | wols | jasonf: apt-get install libc6-dev |
| 05:52.16 | rich_ | But you know, any problem that is solvable gets solved. I mean if you buy a laptop and its a "pain" to confgure, it's only a pain once, then you get to use it until it wears out. |
| 05:52.17 | holycow | Guerin, 8" laptop? |
| 05:52.19 | holycow | oh |
| 05:52.27 | holycow | that could be interesting /me googles |
| 05:52.30 | jasonf | wols, hardware used to run gentoo ;) |
| 05:52.33 | jasonf | wols, if that answers your question, LOL |
| 05:52.35 | jasonf | Guerin, there is no md5 on kernel.org |
| 05:52.45 | jasonf | wols, what will that fix? |
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| 05:52.50 | wols | jasonf: just checking, since you seem to get strane errors :) |
| 05:52.53 | spinifex | clues on setting up a tabletpc for linux? |
| 05:52.59 | jasonf | wols, it's not installed |
| 05:53.01 | wols | tho, the latest one is a missing libc6-dev |
| 05:53.07 | jasonf | wols, .... ? |
| 05:53.08 | holycow | Guerin, maybe you could help me buy one over there and send it here as a present? ;) ehe |
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| 05:53.17 | wols | jasonf: it will you give the headers gcc is missing |
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| 05:53.27 | Guerin | jasonf: of course there is |
| 05:53.31 | Guerin | jasonf: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.9.tar.gz.sign |
| 05:53.51 | jasonf | Guerin, is that an md5? |
| 05:53.56 | wols | jasonf: but apt-get install build-essential should have taken care of it |
| 05:54.21 | Guerin | jasonf: that ought to be a file with a md5 has in it, yes. |
| 05:54.29 | jasonf | Guerin, that's not an md5, that's a gpg sign |
| 05:54.40 | Guerin | ah |
| 05:55.01 | jasonf | Guerin, I'm emerging build-essentials |
| 05:55.06 | jasonf | I didn't even know the package existed |
| 05:55.06 | jasonf | lol |
| 05:55.13 | Guerin | damnit, I know there are md5s up there |
| 05:55.25 | Guerin | jasonf: you mean you're apt-get installing build-essential |
| 05:55.33 | jasonf | Guerin, er, yeah |
| 05:55.37 | wols | jasonf: gotta lose the gentoo slang :P |
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| 05:55.41 | jasonf | Guerin, I think I have a little gentoo on my chin |
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| 05:56.21 | overdog | what about linux game |
| 05:56.31 | Guerin | overdog: apt-cache search game |
| 05:56.35 | wols | overdog: linux is a great game |
| 05:56.40 | wols | best openended game ever! |
| 05:56.42 | Guerin | irc is the best game of all |
| 05:56.51 | holycow | http://www.fujitsu.ca/products/notebooks/lifebook_p_series/p1120/specifications.html <-- no shit they do make an 8.9 inch diagnal cpu |
| 05:56.53 | holycow | laptop |
| 05:56.55 | holycow | wow |
| 05:57.04 | holycow | http://www.fujitsu.ca/products/notebooks/lifebook_p_series/p1120/ |
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| 05:57.18 | openix | some know how configura 4 adsl |
| 05:57.21 | openix | en debian |
| 05:57.22 | openix | ??????????????? |
| 05:57.59 | jasonf | thx guys :) |
| 05:58.01 | holycow | with debian you dont really need a cdrom, can boot off a nice usb, store info there |
| 05:58.03 | jasonf | it's working now |
| 05:58.08 | sussudio | !irritate openix |
| 05:58.09 | dpkg | openix: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses sound hello? |
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| 05:58.41 | holycow | *uggg* |
| 05:58.43 | holycow | ati vid card |
| 05:58.46 | openix | sussudio, :-D |
| 05:58.50 | openix | dpkg, :-D |
| 05:58.50 | dpkg | openix: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:59.00 | rdancer | holycow! |
| 05:59.03 | sussudio | in soviet russia, breadbox is larger than you |
| 05:59.07 | openix | my english is no well |
| 05:59.13 | sussudio | !es |
| 05:59.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:59.14 | openix | mejor espańol :-D |
| 05:59.27 | openix | dpkg, en debian-es nadie ! |
| 05:59.27 | dpkg | openix: wish i knew |
| 05:59.32 | harryvetc | sus, you from russia? |
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| 06:00.16 | openix | dpkg : i have four adsl and I cant find the place to configure to the 4 |
| 06:00.16 | dpkg | openix: i haven't a clue |
| 06:00.16 | Guerin | harryvetc: no, soviet russia is from sussudio |
| 06:00.25 | holycow | http://www.fujitsu.ca/products/notebooks/current.html <-- look at the ultra compact stock image there... thats a pretty handy format |
| 06:00.30 | overdog | linux game ,3D game ,network game |
| 06:00.32 | Guerin | openix: four adsl connections? |
| 06:00.35 | holycow | Guerin, thx for the heads up |
| 06:00.35 | wols | openix: dpkg is just a bot |
| 06:00.36 | rdancer | dpkg: you are a bot? |
| 06:00.38 | dpkg | rdancer: what are you talking about? |
| 06:00.39 | openix | Guerin, yep |
| 06:00.43 | openix | 512 x 4 |
| 06:00.48 | wols | openix: are you using pppoe or dhcp for the adsl? |
| 06:00.57 | sussudio | probably pcp. |
| 06:01.02 | Guerin | openix: for one computer? |
| 06:01.07 | wols | sussudio: sweet. gimme a hit |
| 06:01.17 | sussudio | !hit wols |
| 06:01.19 | wols | Guerin: it's important to be well connected nowadays |
| 06:01.24 | openix | yes , pppoe but i cant find doc to configure the 4 adsl to start at time boot |
| 06:01.41 | Guerin | openix: man interfaces |
| 06:01.47 | wols | sussudio: not that kind of hit, but considering the effects of pcp, it's probably about the same |
| 06:01.47 | overdog | pppoe ,i use it too |
| 06:01.51 | openix | what are the conf file for the 4 connection ? |
| 06:02.03 | openix | i think is /etc/ppp/pppoe.conf |
| 06:02.11 | anihilator | what's console command to show hardware specs? |
| 06:02.12 | wols | openix: |
| 06:02.12 | openix | but certainly this is not |
| 06:02.16 | wols | openix: no. |
| 06:02.23 | mwilson | anihilator: There is one? |
| 06:02.24 | peterS | openix: /etc/ppp/peers/something |
| 06:02.27 | openix | wols, no ? |
| 06:02.30 | wols | openix: /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot.dsl |
| 06:02.33 | Guerin | jesus, it must be sunday someplace |
| 06:02.40 | wols | or /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot |
| 06:02.52 | anihilator | mwilson yes, i've used it, i dont remember what it is though |
| 06:02.54 | overdog | who would like to tell me where can i get the linux 3D game |
| 06:03.05 | mwilson | overdog: Which one? |
| 06:03.06 | openix | /etc/ppp/peers/something and /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot.dsl |
| 06:03.08 | wols | that file controls if ppp is started on boot |
| 06:03.09 | openix | ???? |
| 06:03.16 | wols | as for configuring: apt-get install pppoe |
| 06:03.20 | wols | and the running pppoeconf |
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| 06:03.35 | openix | /etc/ppp/peers/adsl1 /etc/ppp/peers/adsl2 ... /etc/ppp/peers/adsl4 ? |
| 06:03.39 | peterS | openix: ppp_on_boot.dsl is the script that starts pppd. /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider or similar is the config file for an individual ppp connection |
| 06:03.49 | mwilson | overdog: Did I ask you to /msg me and I just don't remember it? |
| 06:03.55 | wols | peterS: ppp/peers/something controls the actual connection. ppp_on_boot determines if the link comes up on bootup |
| 06:04.04 | openix | one dsl-provider for each connections ? |
| 06:04.12 | wols | openix: yes |
| 06:04.26 | openix | wols, y try these |
| 06:04.39 | wols | openix: pppoeconf should help you with setting it up. mostly works |
| 06:04.44 | openix | and after with /etc/init.d/ppp start |
| 06:04.53 | wols | yes |
| 06:04.57 | openix | but naften happen ? |
| 06:04.58 | anihilator | what's the console command to show hardware specs? |
| 06:05.09 | overdog | mwilson;sorry i dont know ,i just like to play 3d game |
| 06:05.10 | wols | anihilator: lspci |
| 06:05.16 | anihilator | awesome thanks |
| 06:05.21 | openix | wols, dsl-provider |
| 06:05.26 | peterS | anihilator: depends on which specs you want |
| 06:05.37 | mwilson | What "specs" does lspci provide? |
| 06:05.45 | openix | dsl-provider1 , dsl-provider2, dsl-provider3, ... ? |
| 06:05.49 | overdog | i just try 3d game in my linux |
| 06:05.51 | wols | all connected pci devices |
| 06:06.28 | wols | openix: to make that work, you need to do a lot more. why do you have 4 dsl connections anyways? |
| 06:06.36 | mwilson | wols: Yes, but I can actually bother to switch my brain on and see that for myself. |
| 06:06.42 | wols | openix: debian is only set up to use one ppp or adsl connection at a time |
| 06:06.52 | peterS | mwilson: types and topology of your I/O bridges, chiefly |
| 06:07.16 | openix | wols, how i do ? |
| 06:07.32 | mwilson | peterS: Somehow I doubt that any of those sort of things (which I'm well aware of) were what the OP had in mind. |
| 06:07.34 | wols | openix: by reading LOTs of howtos and such |
| 06:07.46 | openix | wols, :-( ok |
| 06:07.57 | openix | wols, :-) thnk ! |
| 06:08.46 | mwilson | ugh,I don't want to go to texas |
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| 06:10.20 | overdog | hh |
| 06:11.20 | rich_ | No Wants to go to texas. They do it for the bbq |
| 06:11.27 | rich_ | one |
| 06:11.29 | overdog | I want to try some 3d gmaes in my debian ,who would like to give me some advise |
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| 06:11.51 | anihilator | I"m having problems with my cd rom, i'm tryin to play an audio cd but i'm getting errors |
| 06:11.54 | rich_ | and the pentathalete training center |
| 06:12.11 | anihilator | like trying to run mcdp i get the error: " Sorry, can't open cd-device "/dev/cdrom" ! |
| 06:12.11 | anihilator | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:13.54 | anihilator | anyone have any ideas? |
| 06:14.11 | dondelelcaro | anihilator: do you have a /dev/cdorm? do you have permissions to actually open it? |
| 06:14.23 | dondelelcaro | s/cdorm/cdrom/ |
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| 06:15.48 | anihilator | dondelelcaro, don't have a /dev/cdrom |
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| 06:16.54 | Boarder2 | does anyone know if there happens to be a program that, if I can use a resolution in windows, I can get the equivilant modeline for X? |
| 06:17.10 | sussudio | /dev/lol |
| 06:17.18 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.20 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.29 | sussudio | woot. |
| 06:17.40 | Guerin | !drug peterS |
| 06:17.54 | Guerin | thank cafuego for that one |
| 06:18.09 | peterS | gee, thanks, caf |
| 06:18.13 | anihilator | dondelelcaro, what should I do? |
| 06:18.25 | rdancer | Boarder2: maybe if you could explain wtf resolution was? |
| 06:18.31 | sussudio | !wwjd anihilator |
| 06:18.32 | Guerin | why are korean websites so shit? |
| 06:18.45 | sussudio | :-| |
| 06:18.58 | mwilson | Boarder2: You don't need to create modelines. |
| 06:19.12 | Boarder2 | rdancer: I'm trying to set up my linux box to output to my hdtv, and the tv seems to be very very picky about what it'll run at |
| 06:19.23 | rdancer | Boarder2: so? |
| 06:19.30 | peterS | Boarder2: does the TV report on its horizontal and vertical sync? |
| 06:19.38 | peterS | Boarder2: many modern monitors do |
| 06:19.48 | Boarder2 | peterS: not that I can see in any of the documentation I have for it |
| 06:19.55 | Boarder2 | (horray for sony) |
| 06:20.16 | peterS | Boarder2: or can you hook a monitor up to the port your TV is using, somehow, and get the monitor to report its sync parameters in the OSD? |
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| 06:20.35 | Boarder2 | yeah, I did that |
| 06:20.45 | Boarder2 | 44.8kHz |
| 06:20.46 | Boarder2 | 60.1Hz |
| 06:20.57 | peterS | Boarder2: and what's the resolution? |
| 06:20.58 | Guerin | hrm, mplayer needs way more cpu to play mp3 than xmms does |
| 06:21.04 | Boarder2 | was what worked for 1280x720 |
| 06:21.24 | Guerin | though, in fairness, the fact that I'm actually playing a video file with -vo null might have something to do with it |
| 06:21.53 | peterS | Boarder2: 44800 / 60.1 is 745.4 lines. so you need 45 lines of play in your vertical resolution, it seems |
| 06:21.59 | rdancer | Guerin: hm, sure with crappy IDE controller? |
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| 06:22.53 | peterS | Boarder2: by "play" I mean the last 4 numbers of your mode line will be 720 x y 745, or so. x and y are to be determined. I should also mention that 25 lines is quite a lot for this |
| 06:23.17 | Guerin | rdancer: it's an intel piix |
| 06:23.23 | Guerin | are they crap? |
| 06:23.29 | Boarder2 | what do you mean by quite a lot? |
| 06:23.42 | rdancer | Guerin: dunno? |
| 06:23.50 | peterS | Boarder2: I mean typical monitor settings use much tighter timings than that. but anyway. |
| 06:23.51 | jasonf | does debian sarge use udev or devfs? |
| 06:23.58 | rdancer | Guerin: does dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null rise your cpu usage? |
| 06:23.59 | Guerin | jasonf: no. |
| 06:24.13 | peterS | Boarder2: now if you can determine the dot clock that was used, you can guess at the horizontal numbers. |
| 06:24.22 | peterS | Boarder2: it'll be in MHz |
| 06:24.42 | Guerin | rdancer: well, I'm doing a dist-upgrade as well, so right now I wouldn't want to try :) |
| 06:24.56 | peterS | Boarder2: probably something on the order of 60 - 70 MHz |
| 06:25.03 | caphuso | hmm, modelines... |
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| 06:25.44 | rdancer | Guerin: and all of that you used to count that excessive mplayer cpu usage? now don't you do benchmarking for microsoft or something? 8-O |
| 06:25.57 | rdancer | !modeline |
| 06:25.57 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.inria.fr/cgi-bin/nph-colas-modelines, or http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 06:25.58 | Guerin | rdancer: no, it was doing it before, too |
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| 06:26.07 | Boarder2 | hmm, no information about that in the OSD on the monitor |
| 06:26.13 | Guerin | rdancer: and this is my pretty much typical state of affairs on this box :) |
| 06:26.18 | docgnome | Hrm... I seem to be having some trouble retreiving packages/quit |
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| 06:26.39 | peterS | Boarder2: that's unfortunate. you can experiment with the utilities dpkg just pointed you at |
| 06:27.29 | peterS | Boarder2: I'd start with horizontal range of 1562 and dot clock of 70 MHz. that is, your mode line would be "foo" 70 1280 a b 1526 720 c d 745 |
| 06:27.41 | peterS | Boarder2: a b c d are numbers in between 1280 and 1526, and in between 720 and 745 |
| 06:28.18 | peterS | Boarder2: the way I got 1526, btw, was to divide 70 million by 44.8 thousand |
| 06:28.23 | rdancer | that is, 1280 <= a <= b <= 1526, and analogically |
| 06:28.36 | Boarder2 | right |
| 06:28.42 | peterS | rdancer: strict < not <= (: |
| 06:29.02 | jasonf | Guerin, why is it -so- important to install your kernel "the debian way" instead of copying it and editing the bootloader? |
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| 06:29.05 | bullet | Why would i get this error |
| 06:29.05 | rdancer | peterS: <= worked for me, iirc |
| 06:29.15 | bullet | root@ezekiel:~# hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc |
| 06:29.20 | bullet | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.42 | peterS | Boarder2: likewise, 70 million was my arbitrary choice based on the max horizontal sync being somewhere in the neighborhood of 1600. so my numbers here are a bit circular (: |
| 06:29.47 | wols | either your disk/chipset can't do DMA or you haven't compiled in the proper driver for the chip in your kernel |
| 06:29.55 | Guerin | jasonf: it's simple, it's clean. |
| 06:29.58 | takatumi_ | jasonf: I do it the debian way and don't need to edit my bootloader :) |
| 06:30.02 | rdancer | peterS: at least somewhere. anyway when a difference of 0 is invalid, 1 is invalid too, most of the cases |
| 06:30.08 | Guerin | jasonf: there's no reason to do it any other way. |
| 06:30.13 | Boarder2 | is it a matter of changing the dot clock until the sync rates are what they were before, and then messing around with the a/b x/y numbers until it looks good? |
| 06:30.28 | Guerin | !tell jasonf about kp mantra |
| 06:30.29 | anihilator | I"m having problems with my cd rom, i'm tryin to play an audio cd but i'm getting errors |
| 06:30.29 | wols | jasonf: cause you can install and deinstall easily. and using kernelpackage is no downside since it's still the same code as the old way |
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| 06:30.35 | anihilator | like trying to run mcdp i get the error: " Sorry, can't open cd-device "/dev/cdrom" ! |
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| 06:30.48 | scabber2 | Damnit, for some reason backport.org's bt binary wants python 2.2 when latest woody python is 2.1 |
| 06:30.50 | scabber2 | ??? |
| 06:30.52 | peterS | Boarder2: oh - also - the horizontal numbers should all be divisible by 8, IIRC. that means use 1560 rather than 1562. the vertical numbers don't need to be divisible by anything. |
| 06:30.57 | jasonf | Guerin, that's not EXACTLY the answer I was looking for :-/ |
| 06:30.59 | mwilson | anihilator: And you got an answer. Are you fishing for the same answer again? |
| 06:31.10 | jasonf | tha'ts like asking your mom why you're supposed to do X, and her saying "because X is best" |
| 06:31.11 | jasonf | :) |
| 06:31.12 | wols | anihilator: test if there is a /dev/cdrom and that it's not used by anyone |
| 06:31.16 | Codyman | what mirror(s) have dvd images through that jabgo thing |
| 06:31.24 | rdancer | anihilator: add yourself to the group audio, chgrp whatever /dev/cdrom points to to audio |
| 06:31.37 | mwilson | rdancer: What's that supposed to do? |
| 06:31.46 | Guerin | jasonf: it means that you can use dpkg to manage your kernels and bootloaders, just like it manages everything else. |
| 06:31.47 | wols | jasonf: guering told you about kp's cleanliness, and he is right about it |
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| 06:32.20 | zami | if I have two unix timestamps, t1 and t2 and t1 > t2, does it mean >>>for sure<<< that t1 is later than t2 ? |
| 06:32.20 | Guerin | and cleanliness is next to godliness |
| 06:32.29 | jasonf | Guerin, wols, maybe my misunderstanding comes from just not thinking it was a dirty process in the first place |
| 06:32.31 | wols | jasonf: and it makes it very easy to compile a kernel on one machine and then copy it to another slow one where a kernel compile would take days |
| 06:32.38 | rdancer | anihilator: eh, forget it |
| 06:32.42 | anihilator | wols, rdancer, i don't have a /dev/cdrom at the moment. |
| 06:32.43 | rdancer | mwilson: sorry |
| 06:32.46 | jasonf | wols, this is my only linux box ;) |
| 06:33.20 | wols | jasonf: it is. uninstalling kernels is a bitch otherwise: the kernel image is easily deleteded, but you have to manage the modules as well |
| 06:33.26 | rdancer | anihilator: well, ln -s /dev/<your cdrom device> /dev/cdrom |
| 06:33.28 | mwilson | anihilator: And here we go again. Twice you've said that the program is complaining about not being able to access /dev/cdrom, and twice you've admitted you don't have one. You don't see the problem here? |
| 06:33.55 | anihilator | mwilson, i'm trying to figure out what to do from here. I'm still very new to linux |
| 06:34.00 | jasonf | wols, I don't use modules, except for the nvidia one |
| 06:34.07 | jasonf | wols, I prefer monolithic kernels |
| 06:34.19 | mwilson | anihilator: New to logical thinking as well, huh? |
| 06:34.23 | wols | jasonf: I thought gentoo had a similar thing to compile custom kernels, no? |
| 06:34.27 | nite613 | When sarge is released, will woody cease being suported? |
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| 06:34.39 | Flendor | Hello. |
| 06:34.43 | jasonf | wols, ... gentoo's thing was make, make modules_install, copy kernel ;) |
| 06:34.45 | nite613 | in terms of securty updates and such? |
| 06:34.50 | takatumi_ | jasonf: kp works fine with monolithic kernels, including the source from kernel.org |
| 06:34.52 | scabber2 | Damnit, for some reason backport.org's bt binary wants python 2.2 when latest woody python is 2.1 |
| 06:34.55 | wols | jasonf: me too, but there always are a few modules: iptables stuff, bttv, nvidia, sound drivers, etc |
| 06:34.56 | peterS | nite613: not immediately. but yes, it will happen. |
| 06:35.00 | rdancer | mwilson: slow down. s/he just expects the system to know where the cdrom is. that's not unreasonable |
| 06:35.05 | rich_ | anihilator sounds fine to me. I mean it sounds to like if you have no cdrom, then when it says it cant find it, it's just saying what I would say if I was it. |
| 06:35.19 | kenboo2 | is 2.6.8 a release version or 2.6.7? |
| 06:35.34 | wols | kenboo2: there are no "release versions" of 2.6 |
| 06:35.34 | nite613 | peterS: But by release time it's expected to be safe to do a s/woody/sarge in /etc/apt/sources.list and do an update/dist-upgrade? Is that correct? |
| 06:35.44 | kenboo2 | oic lol |
| 06:35.44 | wols | and 2.6.8 is just the next version after 2.6.7 |
| 06:36.08 | anihilator | rich_, mwilson, alright I realize I don't have one right now, how do I get one? Is my cdrom not configured? |
| 06:36.12 | wols | nite613: yes, that's the plan. and debian as a very good track record there |
| 06:36.21 | peterS | nite613: that's the idea. on important servers it still pays to be cautious and attempt the upgrade on a spare, non-production, machine first - to make sure it's likely to go smoothly and continue to provide the services you need without problems |
| 06:36.26 | wols | anihilator: rdancer told you about "ln" |
| 06:36.26 | nite613 | better than RH, anyways, right? ;) |
| 06:36.27 | kenboo2 | wols, in general the even number is for release, and odd number is development, right? |
| 06:36.38 | Guerin | nite613: even unstable is better than a redhat upgrade |
| 06:36.47 | anihilator | rdancer, what's it supposed to look like in the brackets? |
| 06:36.50 | jasonf | now to see if I still remember how to compile kernels |
| 06:36.50 | jasonf | brb |
| 06:36.52 | caphuso | kenboo2: that's for the second number, not the third |
| 06:36.56 | nite613 | thanks guys |
| 06:36.58 | wols | anihilator: and it is right since the installer might have a hard time to figure out which of your many possible candidates should be /dev/cdrom |
| 06:36.58 | Guerin | nite613: redhat ADVISES its users to back up and reinstall from cd every release. |
| 06:36.58 | jasonf | hey, but a quiz before I go |
| 06:37.04 | rdancer | anihilator: you got one CD-ROM, right? |
| 06:37.04 | kenboo2 | OH ... |
| 06:37.13 | jasonf | /exit and /quit were at a party. /exit leaves, who is lefT? |
| 06:37.14 | anihilator | rdancer, nah two |
| 06:37.21 | caphuso | /quit |
| 06:37.24 | wols | kenboo2: yes, that was the plan up to no, but now the kernel devs have changed the plans :( |
| 06:37.36 | peterS | yeah, /quit was left |
| 06:37.41 | peterS | Guerin: that's pretty bad |
| 06:37.41 | wols | kenboo2: and it was the 2nd number which had to be even or odd, not the 3rd |
| 06:37.44 | rdancer | anihilator: chose the one that will be the default first one |
| 06:37.49 | kenboo2 | ic ic |
| 06:38.07 | rdancer | anihilator: usually the CD-ROM, not DVD, nor -RW |
| 06:38.37 | peterS | /exit's girlfriend was also still at the party |
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| 06:39.09 | Guerin | peterS: I tried to do rh9 -> fc1 when fedora was first released ... and it was b0rkage after b0rkage, but people said that this was a comparatively smooth update... |
| 06:39.22 | rdancer | whoever wants jasonf to be quitted, type /quit jason (works with any nick) |
| 06:39.35 | rdancer | s/jason/jasonf/ |
| 06:39.36 | peterS | rdancer: don't do that |
| 06:39.49 | rdancer | peterS: do what? |
| 06:39.51 | peterS | Guerin: hehe |
| 06:39.55 | anihilator | rdancer, alright, how do I tell it which to use? something to do with the ls command? |
| 06:39.58 | peterS | rdancer: tell people to /quit jasonf |
| 06:40.21 | rdancer | peterS: actually, that was bash.org |
| 06:40.29 | spinifex | yeouch. I tried to ./configure mplayer, and it failed miserably at everything.. if anyone wants to help, should I post my configure.log? |
| 06:40.35 | peterS | rdancer: I know. the "joke" is way older than bash.org, though |
| 06:40.43 | caphuso | spinifex: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 06:40.57 | zami | isn't a file timestamp the same as unix timestamp? |
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| 06:41.07 | Flendor | Hello again. |
| 06:41.18 | rdancer | anihilator: just chose one of them. throw a dice if you must. |
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| 06:41.25 | rdancer | anihilator: got it? |
| 06:41.43 | peterS | rdancer: here in #debian we don't trick people into doing stupid stuff. we want to maintain a bit of credibility when we tell them how to fix their computers |
| 06:41.56 | anihilator | rdancer, yes, i know which one |
| 06:42.13 | rdancer | anihilator: good. now determine which device node corresponds to that drive |
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| 06:42.23 | anihilator | rdancer, how do i do that? |
| 06:42.26 | rdancer | anihilator: it'll be something like /dev/hdc or /dev/hdb |
| 06:42.37 | rdancer | anihilator: IDE device? |
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| 06:43.22 | Guerin | hrm, will I need to reboot after installing libc6-i686 ? |
| 06:43.30 | peterS | Guerin: nah |
| 06:43.37 | peterS | Guerin: maybe restart a daemon or three |
| 06:43.48 | rdancer | anihilator: dmesg should tell you. also master-slave primary-secondary go like: p/m is /dev/hda, p/s hdb, s/m hdc s/s hdd, and analogically for the 2nd and other controllers |
| 06:43.57 | Guerin | peterS: will it replace the existing libc6? I see it doesn't conflict... |
| 06:44.01 | caphuso | the libc6 postinst should take care of restarting the daemons |
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| 06:44.17 | peterS | Guerin: it puts itself into a subdir, which /lib/ld-linux.so.2 knows about |
| 06:44.17 | rdancer | Guerin: no, but the running apps will use the old lib |
| 06:44.25 | Boarder2 | hrm |
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| 06:44.27 | jasonf | :) |
| 06:44.31 | jasonf | Linux jayoldos 2.6.9-ac11JAY1 #1 Sat Nov 20 01:33:44 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:44.36 | JVaughn | man bzflag can get addicting |
| 06:44.47 | wols | Guerin: it will ask you if you want to restart daemons. it will not require a reboot |
| 06:44.48 | Guerin | ok, so it coexists with plain libc6; but programs know how to use it anyway? |
| 06:44.54 | Boarder2 | peterS: think you gave me a pretty good starting ground, thanks :) |
| 06:44.58 | peterS | Guerin: correct |
| 06:45.00 | peterS | Boarder2: good luck to ya |
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| 06:45.16 | rich_ | JVaughn Yea, its cool for a tank game, but I don't think its as good as quake2 |
| 06:45.17 | jasonf | Guerin, how do you edit runlevels in debian? |
| 06:45.24 | Guerin | jasonf: sysvconfig |
| 06:45.27 | jasonf | thx |
| 06:45.30 | Guerin | peterS: that's damn good |
| 06:45.31 | peterS | Guerin: I believe the magic is contained inside /lib/ld-linux.so.2, which all your apps use to load their shared libraries |
| 06:45.33 | JVaughn | no it's not... but i just need something free cuase I was bored |
| 06:45.51 | rdancer | peterS: credibility. help people. fix stuff. ok, i've got it. |
| 06:46.03 | spinifex | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 06:46.19 | rdancer | spinifex: apt-get update |
| 06:46.20 | rich_ | JVaughn Oh well, then try wesnoth, enigma, and supertux |
| 06:46.28 | peterS | rdancer: there's actually a fine line - ideally we *don't* want people to blindly trust us. they should RTFM and find out what our advice will actually do, before doing it |
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| 06:46.42 | JVaughn | cool i just might |
| 06:46.48 | peterS | rdancer: however, we don't need people hanging around here for 10 minutes after getting their answer, bugging other people "will that do anything bad to my system?" |
| 06:46.57 | rich_ | Different people have different amounts of credibility. |
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| 06:47.09 | rich_ | let the buyer beware |
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| 06:48.12 | peterS | rdancer: nobody knows you're in that TZ, necessarily (: |
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| 06:48.15 | spinifex | heh, I remember one time in a help channel, someone advised me to `echo "" > /etc/inittab` |
| 06:48.31 | peterS | spinifex: oh dear |
| 06:48.32 | spinifex | fortunately I was not stupid |
| 06:48.44 | rdancer | spinifex: well, that wouldn't do any harm in fact |
| 06:48.47 | jasonf | how do you get xmms running mp3s? what app do you have to apt-get? |
| 06:48.51 | rich_ | My credibility is better than my ability, believe it or not. I figure as long as Im above that line, Im ok. |
| 06:48.54 | wols | rich_: one bad apple can bring the whole channel down |
| 06:49.11 | wols | e.g. it could give #debian an even worse rep than usual :) |
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| 06:49.28 | spinifex | #debian has a bad rap? |
| 06:49.33 | jasonf | yes it does |
| 06:49.49 | rich_ | debian is the most popular, so we kind of set the rap. |
| 06:49.50 | rdancer | peterS: the DNS PTR in /whois rdancer gives out the TZ |
| 06:49.51 | peterS | spinifex: among a few people, yes. we help a lot more people than we piss off, but the ones we piss off make a lot of noise, sometimes |
| 06:49.54 | spinifex | just the channel, or the distro? |
| 06:50.09 | anihilator | rdancer, i guess i do have a /dev/cdrom, i was just looking at the folders before. dmesg told me: hdc: ATAPI 32X DVD-ROM drive, 512kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 06:50.10 | peterS | spinifex: just the channel |
| 06:50.17 | spinifex | heh. I like that we have dpkg. |
| 06:50.18 | rich_ | Most users, most developers= most popular. |
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| 06:50.31 | spinifex | less work for the answerers |
| 06:50.33 | peterS | spinifex: the only problems most people have with the distro are (a) stable is old, (b) stable is oh so hard to install |
| 06:50.51 | rdancer | anihilator: either you *do* or *don't* have /dev/cdrom. please try to realize that. or don't smoke that much. |
| 06:50.52 | peterS | spinifex: thankfully, sarge addresses both of these concerns - the only problem being that it is not yet released (: |
| 06:51.01 | spinifex | yeah. Sarge was pretty easy to set up, imo |
| 06:51.14 | jasonf | uh oh |
| 06:51.18 | jasonf | my xmms is crapped :-( |
| 06:51.21 | peterS | spinifex: and not terribly old software, either. although some will say XFree86 4.3.0 is horribly ancient. |
| 06:51.23 | spinifex | they should release it. |
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| 06:51.39 | jasonf | libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory / Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 72: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed! |
| 06:51.42 | wols | peterS: and sarge won't really help with the "old" problem... |
| 06:51.52 | peterS | wols: it will temporarily |
| 06:51.59 | rich_ | So there is no reason for debian to change to attract more people. What attracts more developers is the largest number of developers. Whatever kind you want to attract, we don't need them , and dont want them to pervert our operateing system. |
| 06:52.07 | spinifex | I am having an odd problem with it though, that doesn't seem to afect anything but still.. it bitches about my language settings constantly |
| 06:52.07 | peterS | wols: it won't be perceived as "old" until partway through the etch devel cycle |
| 06:52.19 | rich_ | It's big enough |
| 06:52.29 | anihilator | rdancer, I do have a /dev/cdrom, and cdrom0, cdrom1 also |
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| 06:53.21 | rdancer | anihilator: ln -sf hdc /dev/cdrom && chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc && adduser anihilator cdrom |
| 06:53.33 | Guerin | well, that seems to have worked ok |
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| 06:54.22 | Guerin | wow, my system load is way lower |
| 06:54.25 | spinifex | do I want mplayer-k6, mplayer-386, or mplayer-586? |
| 06:54.40 | Guerin | like 40% instead of 65% |
| 06:54.49 | Guerin | spinifex: wwhat cpu do you have? |
| 06:54.49 | The_Vulture | spinifex: depends what CPU you have.. |
| 06:54.57 | spinifex | pentium M 1.7ghz |
| 06:55.05 | rdancer | spinifex: -586 |
| 06:55.08 | spinifex | thank you |
| 06:55.09 | Guerin | spinifex: 586 - the 686 package is a dummy |
| 06:55.20 | rdancer | Guerin: is it? |
| 06:55.26 | spinifex | what is a dummy, and why is it there? |
| 06:55.26 | Guerin | rdancer: yeah. |
| 06:55.40 | peterS | spinifex: you want -686 if it exists. if not, -586. |
| 06:56.11 | Elimist | Why would you want to install a binary build of MPlayer? MPlayer really requires specific customizations for your system to function well. |
| 06:56.14 | spinifex | crap, unfindable libraries |
| 06:56.19 | Guerin | 686 is a dummy package to allow upgrades to the 586 packages |
| 06:56.23 | rdancer | Guerin: so why the fuck do i have it? 8-)) |
| 06:56.27 | Guerin | read apt-cache show |
| 06:56.30 | cafuego | peterS: there's only proper mplayer-586 and mplayer-k6 packages |
| 06:56.53 | peterS | Elimist: beyond use of MMX or 3DNow!, what customisations does mplayer require at compile time? |
| 06:56.53 | Guerin | rdancer: there used to be a -686, and people with that would find they couldn't upgrade. This is a symlink. |
| 06:56.58 | rich_ | Elimist perhaps, but the marrilat binaries are very good and there is also the deb source packages, which can be compiled |
| 06:57.15 | rdancer | Guerin: sure, i know how these work |
| 06:57.18 | cafuego | peterS: -funroll-loops -O6 |
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| 06:57.30 | Elimist | peterS: I'm talking about compiled in options, not compiler options |
| 06:57.40 | rdancer | rich_: *cough* very good? |
| 06:57.41 | spinifex | these packages were needed but are not installable: libarts libarts-alsa libdirectfb8 libdvdread2 libvorbis0 |
| 06:57.50 | anihilator | rdancer, awesome, problem fixed. What did that do? what do the ln and -sf mean? |
| 06:57.52 | peterS | Elimist: I mean specific to some person's computer |
| 06:57.52 | Guerin | yeah, marillat's packages kick arse |
| 06:57.53 | The_Vulture | Elimist: which options aren't in the binaries that one would need for it to function well? |
| 06:58.01 | rdancer | !rtfm |
| 06:58.01 | dpkg | rtfm is probably Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 06:58.06 | rdancer | anihilator: ^^ |
| 06:58.07 | Elimist | Theres literally dozens of input and output options, LIRC support, codec supports, etc. I don't see how making a binary build would be something practical |
| 06:58.12 | Guerin | spinifex: you didn't add the repository, did you? |
| 06:58.16 | peterS | Elimist: as opposed to binary packages. or are you under the impression that whoever builds a binary package never gets around to using gcc -O2 ? |
| 06:58.17 | cafuego | Seeing as there's perfectly good xine stuff in debian, mplayer is kind of useless. |
| 06:58.31 | peterS | Elimist: why not enable all the input and output plugins? |
| 06:58.33 | PF | Man, MS is too much |
| 06:58.34 | The_Vulture | Elimist: you think everyone who wants to use it would have a desire to config even a handful of those options? |
| 06:58.38 | spinifex | I added it |
| 06:58.46 | PF | Ballmer said the security fears some governments had about using Microsoft software were overblown. |
| 06:58.48 | spinifex | otherwise I wouldn't see the mplayer package at all |
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| 06:58.53 | Elimist | peterS: because that would screw up Mplayer. |
| 06:58.56 | anihilator | rd |
| 06:59.00 | PF | "We think our software is far more secure than open-source software. It is more secure because we stand behind it, we fixed it, because we built it. Nobody ever knows who built open-source software," he added. |
| 06:59.08 | dfx_ | does anyone know how to turn VSYNC off for XFree86? |
| 06:59.21 | rich_ | I completely agree with cafuego. Debian provides an open source way and thats what matters. Mplayer is just some linux thing, of unknown lineage |
| 06:59.29 | peterS | dfx_: I think that's specific to your video driver |
| 06:59.29 | rdancer | cafuego: unless you happen to have a slow hardware that xine chokes on, but mplayer still is somewhat usable |
| 06:59.30 | Guerin | PF: they can think whatever they want, it don't make it so. |
| 06:59.35 | rich_ | xine rules |
| 06:59.35 | spinifex | xine? |
| 06:59.40 | spinifex | izzat a media player? |
| 06:59.42 | peterS | Elimist: that's pretty dumb. it doesn't use a plugin system that lets you enable / disable plugins at runtime? |
| 06:59.45 | helix | is there a way to diagnose problems with microphones? |
| 06:59.45 | Guerin | yeah, xine < mplayer |
| 06:59.50 | spinifex | <? |
| 06:59.54 | rdancer | rich_: mplayer was the 1st one |
| 06:59.55 | Elimist | peterS: Not really. |
| 06:59.57 | anihilator | rdancer, thanks a lot for your help, and thanks for putting up with my lack of experience |
| 07:00.02 | dfx_ | peterS: nvidia ... I can't find ANYTHING on google on HOW to do it, only that it needs to be done |
| 07:00.03 | Guerin | helix: pff pff <tap> 1, 2, 3 testing? |
| 07:00.05 | helix | like, when it's being all static-y |
| 07:00.12 | helix | Guerin: it records, it just does so crappily |
| 07:00.23 | Elimist | helix: unless you have a REALLY weird problem with your soundcard, thats your mic |
| 07:00.24 | rdancer | anihilator: np, mate |
| 07:00.30 | cafuego | rdancer: You need to be not too smart to start with to insist on using slow hardware for multimedia streams |
| 07:00.32 | helix | Elimist: but it used to work fine x:( |
| 07:00.33 | jasonf | hrm. |
| 07:00.40 | jasonf | I'm trying to mount my ntfs drive as read only |
| 07:00.43 | peterS | Elimist: or recording at a frequency not natively supported by the sound chip? |
| 07:00.47 | jasonf | but everytime I do, only root can access it |
| 07:00.51 | Guerin | helix: check the wires, check the mic isn't obstructed, check the connector. Typically it's one of those things... but it might just be a bad mic. |
| 07:00.57 | peterS | Elimist: like anything-but-48kHz on i810? |
| 07:00.59 | nvz | helix: do you have enough resources to record? what program are you using to record? |
| 07:01.05 | helix | nvz: rec |
| 07:01.09 | cafuego | helix: plug the mic into the speaker output, turn the volume up. if it stays quiet the mic is broken |
| 07:01.11 | helix | I should have enough resources |
| 07:01.11 | Elimist | peterS: That wouldn't lead to perfect recording except for a bit of static |
| 07:01.18 | helix | but it records! |
| 07:01.21 | spinifex | should I apt-get install gxine? |
| 07:01.32 | Elimist | peterS: His is working properly, there's just static |
| 07:01.38 | rich_ | If you want mplayer you can install it, but its not in debian so the amount of help you will get here for it is very very limited. Until you know enough to support things like mplayer yourself, use debian. |
| 07:01.38 | peterS | Elimist: hers (: |
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| 07:01.44 | nvz | I know when I would use audacity or something on a slower pc it would sound crappy.. but if it didnt have to represent the sound visually or anything it worked better |
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| 07:01.54 | rich_ | which means use xine |
| 07:02.02 | Guerin | spinifex: if you added the correct repository, it'd work. |
| 07:02.03 | spinifex | yeah, but which packages do I need for it? |
| 07:02.23 | rdancer | cafuego: there are ppl using 386s out there (and ppl without any hw whatsoever) |
| 07:02.33 | Guerin | spinifex: sure you didn't add the stable rep for your sarge box, etc? |
| 07:02.37 | spinifex | Guerin: I added the one dpkg said. yes. And it caused the mplayer packages to appear. But they needed dependencies it couldn't find |
| 07:02.50 | PF | Wow, SCO is suing IBM |
| 07:02.57 | Guerin | PF: again? |
| 07:02.59 | PF | Man, shit is hittin' the fan |
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| 07:03.14 | caphuso | Guerin: still |
| 07:03.16 | Guerin | PF: or do you mean, still. |
| 07:03.16 | peterS | PF: dude. SCO has been suing IBM for a very long time now. |
| 07:03.18 | PF | It's mentioned in this article -> http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/biztech/11/19/tech.microsoft.linux3.reut/index.html |
| 07:03.43 | rich_ | PF I heard about that. |
| 07:03.59 | helix | wtf |
| 07:04.15 | cafuego | rdancer: You mean you're using something slower then a Celeron 500? |
| 07:04.24 | Guerin | i stopped following the news, because it was all "sco was obstructive today ... judge postpones for another 6 months" |
| 07:04.34 | rdancer | cafuego: Mobile Pentium 400 |
| 07:04.49 | cafuego | rdancer: aiyee? |
| 07:04.52 | rdancer | cafuego: now 128, formerly 64M RAM |
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| 07:05.01 | PF | just to what all the hoop-la is about SCO |
| 07:05.11 | cafuego | Are you running KDE on it or something? |
| 07:05.16 | peterS | PF: dude. they sued IBM at least a year and a half ago. I forget exactly when. |
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| 07:05.24 | helix | PF: are you trolling? |
| 07:05.29 | PF | no |
| 07:05.35 | nvz | PF: you can google around, but it all boils down to nothing interesting |
| 07:05.40 | PF | just providing information |
| 07:05.58 | takatumi_ | from times immemorial |
| 07:06.13 | rdancer | PF: Fill in the blanks: ``There is nothing older than _______ ______.'' |
| 07:06.19 | caphuso | PF: information about something that everyone else decided to ignore 1.5 years ago? |
| 07:06.31 | nvz | heh |
| 07:06.37 | cafuego | http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/other/0,39020682,39174385,00.htm |
| 07:06.38 | PF | dirt |
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| 07:07.02 | helix | I think my soundcard is fucked |
| 07:07.08 | nixbox | takatumi_, there? |
| 07:07.15 | cafuego | helix: Well duh, that's NOT what they're for. |
| 07:07.20 | takatumi_ | nixbox: ? |
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| 07:07.30 | helix | :/ |
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| 07:08.07 | rdancer | what's the syntax to ask date(1) what time is now in a given TZ? |
| 07:08.24 | caphuso | rdancer: TZ=blah date |
| 07:08.25 | rdancer | (date -d 'now EST' does not work) |
| 07:08.28 | rdancer | ah |
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| 07:08.46 | rdancer | caphuso: thx. |
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| 07:09.35 | nixbox | takatumi_, yesterday i downloaded debootstrap_0.2.45_i386.deb and tried again, but it resulted in the same error .... previously i had installed debootstrap_0.17.7_woody |
| 07:09.57 | rdancer | Sat Nov 20 07:09:44 FUCK 2004 |
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| 07:10.14 | rdancer | doesn't seem to be optimal... |
| 07:11.59 | takatumi_ | nixbox: 2.45 is whats available in sid as well, if that didn't work either, maybe just go for the d-i, install kerner-headers and compile the modem driver |
| 07:12.09 | PF | rdancer: you are not a nice human |
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| 07:13.08 | nixbox | takatumi_, i have to download the netinstall CD? |
| 07:13.21 | nixbox | takatumi_, because the one i have burnt is woody |
| 07:13.23 | rdancer | hm, but TZ=+0200 is not acceptable |
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| 07:13.33 | rich_ | No one is perfect |
| 07:14.04 | rdancer | except for helix, of course |
| 07:14.18 | sphere | or is that just state propaganda! |
| 07:14.42 | peterS | rdancer: 'TZ=US/Eastern date' ... for example |
| 07:14.47 | takatumi_ | nixbox: I don't know if kernel-headers are available on the netinstall CD, if yes, that would work, you will need build-essential package as well |
| 07:14.49 | rich_ | Your right. I meant no one I know :) |
| 07:15.05 | peterS | rdancer: see /usr/share/zoneinfo/ for the possibilities |
| 07:15.21 | rdancer | peterS: well, yes. but i would like an errorneous TZ string to trigger an error |
| 07:15.22 | takatumi_ | nixbox: did you try #debian-boot with the 2.45 error? |
| 07:15.27 | helix | that was random |
| 07:15.30 | nixbox | takatumi_, is there a specific roadmap that i can follow, some documentation? |
| 07:15.44 | nixbox | takatumi_, yeah i am trying |
| 07:15.51 | peterS | rdancer: in that case, just 'if [ ! -f /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ ]; then ...' |
| 07:16.00 | rdancer | peterS: ah, sweet |
| 07:16.02 | rdancer | peterS: thx |
| 07:16.17 | peterS | rdancer: warning - that's not portable beyond Linux / glibc2 |
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| 07:16.42 | peterS | rdancer: well, glibc2. it probably works fine on the non-linux debian ports that also use glibc2 |
| 07:16.45 | rdancer | peterS: hmm. |
| 07:16.45 | nixbox | takatumi_, otherwise i am going to forget things on the way or get stuck in more problems, well i always have #debian but still :) |
| 07:17.08 | rdancer | peterS: -d is gnu date specific, too, so it prolly is GNU-specific? |
| 07:17.19 | helix | all of my ogg's are playing staticky too |
| 07:17.26 | helix | htf do you spell 'staticky' anyway? |
| 07:17.28 | peterS | rdancer: you're using -d? dunno |
| 07:17.34 | peterS | staticky |
| 07:17.42 | helix | oogly |
| 07:17.49 | helix | statiqee |
| 07:17.55 | peterS | ügly |
| 07:17.56 | The_Vulture | helix: sounds like it's your speakers or whatever more than anything else.. |
| 07:18.07 | helix | The_Vulture: well, my mic is crap too |
| 07:18.12 | helix | I don't think this is a coincidence! |
| 07:18.14 | rdancer | helix: whattafuk? |
| 07:18.21 | helix | hi rdancer |
| 07:18.28 | takatumi_ | the links in !chroot install does not resolve, anyone know other good chroot install instructions (debian specific) |
| 07:18.29 | rdancer | helix: helllo |
| 07:18.35 | The_Vulture | how do you know it's yer mic if all sound output, recorded by your mic or otherwise, is static-riddled? |
| 07:18.37 | peterS | but do you know your mic is crap independent of listening to its output on *your speakers*? that's the question |
| 07:18.47 | helix | hmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 07:18.51 | The_Vulture | peterS: *nods* |
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| 07:19.04 | helix | some other recordings I have are not as staticky |
| 07:19.12 | helix | so yes! I have verified it's not my speakers.. |
| 07:19.16 | peterS | ahh |
| 07:19.20 | The_Vulture | need some test tones or something |
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| 07:19.40 | rdancer | helix: staticky like it sounds like there is some static electricity over the underlying ogg? |
| 07:19.47 | helix | yeah |
| 07:20.03 | rdancer | helix: happens all the time here |
| 07:20.07 | helix | no |
| 07:20.09 | helix | ;( |
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| 07:20.32 | lipe | hey, how can i connect with mutt on a pop3 server to read messages but not download them? |
| 07:20.41 | nixbox | takatumi_, vorlon in #debian-boot says ... there is no console-tools-libs package in testing or unstable, so you must be using the woody debootstrap script, possibly pointed at the wrong suite in the archive; and this doesn't seem related to development of the installer, so #debian may be a more appropriate channel for this. |
| 07:21.14 | The_Vulture | helix: riiight.. |
| 07:21.19 | rdancer | helix: seems to be caused by the comp being unable to feed the dsp in a steady manner. jitter or similar. different formats or different players don't exhibit |
| 07:21.26 | helix | rdancer: dix it |
| 07:21.28 | helix | fix it too |
| 07:21.37 | peterS | oh, I bet it's actually the owned factoid |
| 07:21.45 | helix | haha. |
| 07:21.46 | helix | NO |
| 07:21.47 | rich_ | helix well dont stick anything up your nose like arnold in 'total recal' |
| 07:21.53 | rdancer | helix: use more lightweight player progs? |
| 07:22.09 | helix | I don't think you can get more lightweight than 'play' |
| 07:22.29 | cafuego | helix: 'cat' |
| 07:22.33 | rdancer | helix: what's your hardware? |
| 07:22.37 | rdancer | cafuego: OGG! |
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| 07:22.40 | rdancer | !moron cafuego |
| 07:22.40 | dpkg | cafuego: You are moron #50 |
| 07:22.41 | peterS | try playing an audio CD, with 'cdplay' or 'cdcd' or similar? |
| 07:22.55 | cafuego | rdancer: Catting an ogg to /dev/dsp makes noice, no? |
| 07:23.00 | peterS | but no, you can't get *much* more lightweight than 'play' |
| 07:23.08 | dsl372 | something must be wrong, my sound works in linux 0_o |
| 07:23.11 | helix | rdancer: I have an sb live |
| 07:23.26 | cafuego | With today's young people's music, you can't notice the difference anyway. |
| 07:23.31 | rdancer | cafuego: well, *some* sense it makes |
| 07:23.36 | rdancer | lol |
| 07:23.39 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.40 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:23.42 | cafuego | !drug rdancer |
| 07:23.47 | Kraig | is there some action here? |
| 07:23.53 | rdancer | no no no |
| 07:23.55 | peterS | Kraig: totally |
| 07:23.58 | cafuego | Kraig: Yo ujust missed it actually, sorry. |
| 07:23.59 | rdancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.07 | Kraig | wow!!! that's cool!!!! |
| 07:24.19 | Kraig | cafuego: hmm... damn myself then! |
| 07:24.23 | peterS | rdancer: I try not to overuse loldudes. they *do* take up screen space for no purpose. |
| 07:24.27 | rich_ | You won't notice if you can'y hear the tones. Some static is tuned, some isn't and if you aren't listening to it, you cant tell the difference |
| 07:24.28 | rdancer | Kraig: tam - ta -da -da -da |
| 07:24.36 | cafuego | peterS: <heh> |
| 07:24.42 | cafuego | loldudeabuse! |
| 07:24.55 | Kraig | lol, mean... hehehe |
| 07:24.55 | peterS | cafuego: if and when I'm accused of it, I'll cut back from even the amount I do (: |
| 07:25.06 | Kraig | can'y = ? |
| 07:25.12 | Kraig | :P |
| 07:25.21 | peterS | cafuego: I *have* made two of them within an hour or so of each other. that's borderline abuse. |
| 07:25.36 | cafuego | peterS: yes, that's close to loldudeoverload |
| 07:25.39 | takatumi_ | nixbox: I am outta ideas :/ |
| 07:25.49 | sussudio | \ / |
| 07:25.51 | cafuego | Maybe you can swap between luldudes and lolchicks |
| 07:25.53 | peterS | sussudio: heh |
| 07:26.04 | sussudio | luldudes? |
| 07:26.10 | cafuego | sussudio: Shhh! |
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| 07:26.22 | cafuego | sussudio: It was supposed to be *subtle* |
| 07:26.25 | sussudio | !lullo |
| 07:26.25 | dpkg | hé man, heb je nog geneukt? |
| 07:26.26 | nixbox | takatumi_, hmmmmm, i have manually _removed_ debootstrap and related files, and have re-installed it, trying my luck again ;) |
| 07:27.06 | helix | cytosine.org/~helix/metal.ogg |
| 07:27.11 | Kraig | so, is there anything new? |
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| 07:28.01 | rdancer | wtf is this?: 07:27 Cannot write to `metal.ogg' (Read-only file system). |
| 07:28.05 | peterS | The_Vulture: dude. it's one of the four nucleotides in RNA |
| 07:28.15 | cafuego | rdancer: Time to buy that new hardware |
| 07:28.21 | rdancer | cafuego: apparently. |
| 07:28.22 | Kraig | heh |
| 07:28.23 | The_Vulture | peterS: yeah, apparently (the C in CTAG) |
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| 07:28.35 | The_Vulture | haven't done bio in years |
| 07:28.39 | peterS | The_Vulture: that's DNA, but yes, cytosine appears in DNA as well |
| 07:28.46 | Kraig | lol |
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| 07:28.59 | cafuego | I'll see your cytosine and raise you an adenosine |
| 07:29.03 | Kraig | DNA = Do Not Access /me? |
| 07:29.11 | peterS | Kraig: something like that |
| 07:29.15 | Kraig | heh |
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| 07:29.35 | rdancer | aha, it's irssi with cwd on a CDROM |
| 07:29.39 | helix | so is it time to throw my soundcard in le garbage? |
| 07:30.01 | peterS | helix: that or check your connectors, make sure someone didn't pull wires loose from the circuit board or something dumb like that |
| 07:30.07 | helix | MAX. |
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| 07:30.12 | peterS | yeah (: |
| 07:30.12 | cafuego | helix: If you move to france first, yes. |
| 07:30.22 | az[a]zel | Freedom Soundcard |
| 07:30.40 | cafuego | if you have any ISA slots |
| 07:30.46 | peterS | cafuego: ISAPnP! w00t! |
| 07:30.49 | takatumi_ | nixbox: try this as well, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade |
| 07:31.06 | cafuego | peterS: Works with the kernel isapnp module, no need for pnpdump/isapnp |
| 07:31.14 | peterS | cafuego: oh, I know |
| 07:31.16 | nixbox | takatumi_, ok thanks |
| 07:31.34 | cafuego | But I do have a nice isapnp.conf for those who like pain ;-0 |
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| 07:31.39 | peterS | cafuego: even today we get the occasional #debian question about sound hardware the boils down to me decoding somebody's pnpdump (: |
| 07:31.42 | Kraig | booh! |
| 07:31.45 | Kraig | that suxs@ |
| 07:31.48 | peterS | s/the/that/ |
| 07:32.13 | sussudio | helix: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/madcat.jpg < looks like this might be one of damien's future minions |
| 07:32.31 | cafuego | Actually, when adding a printer to cups (shared printer on windoze box) as samba printer, how do I add auth details for the win box so I can print? |
| 07:32.42 | beaufils | why the hell is the /tmp flagged with the sticky bit by default in debian. May I chmod it only to 777 without infriging debian policy ? |
| 07:32.52 | az[a]zel | I saw another dead cat in the gutter today |
| 07:32.59 | cafuego | beaufils: NO! |
| 07:33.00 | peterS | cafuego: by the command line, I used to use smb://user:passwd@machine/printername or whatever |
| 07:33.01 | beaufils | In the FHS /tmp is supposed to be 777 ... |
| 07:33.03 | az[a]zel | always dead cats near here |
| 07:33.07 | peterS | beaufils: 1777 |
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| 07:33.12 | cafuego | peterS: Neet, that'll prolly do. |
| 07:33.15 | peterS | beaufils: not that the FHS has anything to say about it, I think |
| 07:33.16 | dsl372 | what sort of a ... LAN connection is this when I only get 800k when its a 10mb line |
| 07:33.28 | peterS | cafuego: I forget if it was *exactly* that syntax, but I think it was |
| 07:33.30 | rdancer | beaufils: u r idiot, correct? |
| 07:33.51 | cafuego | beaufils: You don't want user joe deleting your tempfiles ansd sockets, do you? |
| 07:34.06 | cafuego | peterS: Prolly is, just uri syntax. |
| 07:34.09 | peterS | dsl372: 10 Mbit == 1.2 Mbyte. 800 kbyte is not so far off from that |
| 07:34.19 | cafuego | peterS: Need to pick a password without : or @ in it, though |
| 07:34.27 | peterS | cafuego: true enough |
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| 07:34.49 | Guerin | dsl372: I get 700-900kbyte over my 10mbit line |
| 07:34.53 | Guerin | lan |
| 07:34.53 | beaufils | cafuego: but socket etc do not have to be in /tmp but /var/tmp in my opinion... |
| 07:34.54 | rdancer | dsl372: haha, you have to count the protocols overhead... |
| 07:35.02 | dsl372 | ok I forgot network spped is measured in bits per second not bytes per second |
| 07:35.06 | dsl372 | but still |
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| 07:35.49 | cafuego | beaufils: Well, check the permissions on /var/tmp, smartarse. |
| 07:36.09 | sussudio | in soviet russia, permissions check your arse. |
| 07:36.21 | xio04 | when autofs does its thing but gives "access denied" and set the permission wrong, how do you fix that? |
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| 07:36.55 | mystery02 | hi, how do I configure my adsl connection for network install? |
| 07:37.06 | beaufils | cafuego: I know that that's exactly the same as /tmp that is why I wondered why /tmp is not only 777 |
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| 07:37.21 | peterS | beaufils: normally /tmp and /var/tmp are both 1777 |
| 07:37.27 | mith | beaufils: time to buy a unix book |
| 07:37.35 | cafuego | beaufils: Because you don't want usrs being able to delete other user's files and/or directories from /tmp |
| 07:37.35 | peterS | beaufils: the difference between 1777 and 777 is whether users can rename / delete each other's files. with 1777, they can't |
| 07:37.41 | mystery02 | after choosing PAP authentication mode, the rest of the options seems that i can only configure dialup connection? |
| 07:38.04 | rdancer | beaufils: and some brain. must be usable, can be used. |
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| 07:39.36 | rdancer | mystery02: #debian-boot will know more. or /msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:40.56 | dippo | hi. I am trying to install the OSS sound modules and if I remove all the pre-built kernel alsa modules, when I run oss-install, somehow they get reloaded |
| 07:41.00 | dippo | and no matter what I do they keep coming back |
| 07:41.02 | rich_ | Thanks everyone, bbl |
| 07:41.07 | cafuego | oooh errr |
| 07:41.13 | dippo | I have grepped to my heart's content in /etc for them, but I can't figure out where they are coming from |
| 07:41.16 | dippo | any ideas? |
| 07:41.17 | sussudio | !kinderpindakaas! |
| 07:41.17 | dpkg | Pinne... pinnekinde... pinnekinnepi... pi...Kinderpindakaas |
| 07:41.20 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 07:41.20 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of starving dairy cows. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 07:41.42 | cafuego | This unsupported-by-linux printer seems to be quite happy to work :-) |
| 07:42.18 | cafuego | Beauty! |
| 07:42.24 | rdancer | dippo: grep -r <modulename> /etc |
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| 07:42.36 | dippo | yeah, i did |
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| 07:43.48 | rdancer | dippo: well, chmod 0 them, and check /var/log/{syslog,messages,debug} ;-) |
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| 07:44.03 | sciboy | Hi, where could i obtain the "applet-widget.h" header file? |
| 07:44.18 | sciboy | It appears that gnome-core-devel no longer contains it =/ |
| 07:44.18 | cafuego | !find applet-widget.h |
| 07:44.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'applet-widget.h' (1 shown): (/usr/include/libcapplet-1.4/capplet-widget.h) in oldlibs/libcapplet1-dev. |
| 07:44.40 | sciboy | ... |
| 07:45.14 | sciboy | Thats capplet, not applet... You think if i link it, would it be compatible? |
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| 07:45.54 | Guerin | !wayttd sciboy |
| 07:45.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sciboy? |
| 07:46.09 | helix | give me a new soundcard or microphone |
| 07:46.10 | sciboy | Compile , Gwireless. |
| 07:46.27 | Guerin | sciboy: is it not in debian? |
| 07:46.32 | sciboy | Nope =P |
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| 07:47.42 | Guerin | sciboy: is it really old, or what? |
| 07:47.46 | carnage | anyone know of a good typing program that teaches dvorak right hand? |
| 07:47.59 | mink | Loading driver... |
| 07:47.59 | mink | Starting ALSA.../etc/init.d/alsa: Error: alsactl restore failed with message 'al sactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found...'. |
| 07:47.59 | mink | done. |
| 07:48.12 | sciboy | No idea =/ |
| 07:48.14 | Guerin | mink: don't paste. |
| 07:48.14 | mink | any ideas why i'm getting that error when setting up alsa sound? |
| 07:48.25 | sciboy | Guerin: http://gwifiapplet.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:48.46 | sciboy | Oh yeh, its ancient =/ |
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| 07:49.18 | Guerin | sciboy: search woody for that file, then. |
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| 07:50.34 | helix | I feel offended |
| 07:50.38 | peterS | rdancer: what version of TCP is this, with 24-bit ports? |
| 07:50.39 | rdancer | oops, port number too hi |
| 07:50.54 | Guerin | rdancer-stoned-tcp |
| 07:51.04 | peterS | rdancer: yeah, you have to choose between port 0xdead and port 0xbeef |
| 07:51.26 | titan | what does it mean when a system reies to boot and the errors are to do with ro.. and etc... services aren't starting |
| 07:51.39 | sciboy | Hello, what graphical application would you recommend to a n00b who wishes to easily configure and view available access points? |
| 07:51.42 | rdancer | that was a *JOKE* |
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| 07:51.54 | peterS | titan: the filesystem is ro? that's caused by an old (a few months old) init script bug on certain platforms such as sparc and uml |
| 07:51.56 | Guerin | rdancer: just be thankful you're not on interent porn, that stuff is worse than crack, apparently. |
| 07:52.02 | rdancer | only the 2nd line took a little longer to type.... 8- |
| 07:52.39 | titan | peterS: what happened was I replaced the motherboard, then put the old one back ... now I get these errors |
| 07:52.40 | rdancer | Guerin: actually i haven't take anything tonight.. |
| 07:53.00 | Guerin | rdancer: heh, i was just referring to your earlier comment... |
| 07:53.19 | rdancer | Guerin: ...but i feel like i did, yes 8*) |
| 07:53.25 | Guerin | hehe |
| 07:53.27 | peterS | titan: possible errors caused by who-knows-what, my guess is cable seating somewhere |
| 07:53.27 | Guerin | bonus! |
| 07:53.47 | peterS | titan: some errors will cause the filesystem code to remount your filesystem read-only, to try and mitigate against further disk corruption |
| 07:53.54 | titan | peterS: you think the cables are in the wrong spot? |
| 07:54.02 | rdancer | helix: offended why for rdancer's sake? |
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| 07:54.46 | JVaughn | hahaha, i went to my parents house tonight and while i was there they were asking me to look at their router because because their network lag has increased bad... well it is a wireless router and when i looked at it there were like 4 people from outside using their inet... i just laughed |
| 07:55.04 | helix | because I can be |
| 07:55.13 | JVaughn | they were giving the neighborhood free connection :) |
| 07:55.26 | rdancer | gah |
| 07:55.31 | JVaughn | (showed them how to setup dhcp by mac, and block others out naturally ) |
| 07:55.34 | JVaughn | just thought it was funny |
| 07:55.36 | helix | o/~ it's my prerogative, I can do what I wanna do o/~ |
| 07:55.38 | rdancer | JVaughn: isn't that called trespassing? |
| 07:55.46 | JVaughn | rdancer - yes, yes it is |
| 07:56.01 | rdancer | JVaughn: so what's funny about it? |
| 07:56.25 | JVaughn | how my parents set up that router, open with no key to anyone |
| 07:56.35 | JVaughn | well anyone with wireless |
| 07:56.45 | rdancer | everybody does. |
| 07:56.46 | peterS | lots of people do that on purpose, you know |
| 07:57.09 | JVaughn | i understand that, but if you don't ant it, and it's slowing down your network... then its bad |
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| 07:57.15 | titan | peterS: back to your answer, you think the cables have been put back in the wrong place? |
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| 07:57.38 | peterS | titan: more likely they're not seated properly, or something like that |
| 07:57.38 | mystery02 | hey whats GPG signature? |
| 07:57.46 | JVaughn | peters - why would someone do it on purpose tho? I mean unless you and some people are chippin in for inet or something |
| 07:57.56 | titan | peterS: bios picks up all drives |
| 07:58.02 | peterS | mystery02: a digital signature that ensures that a file you have has not been modified since its creator signed it |
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| 07:58.15 | rdancer | !irritate mystery02 |
| 07:58.16 | dpkg | mystery02: Y iz debain so old? who uses kde thx |
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| 07:58.44 | mystery02 | whats the use of it actually? |
| 07:58.51 | peterS | mystery02: you can do 'gpg --verify signaturefile originalfile' to verify that the signature checks out |
| 07:59.01 | mystery02 | something like md5? |
| 07:59.14 | sansblague | !fgi gpg |
| 07:59.26 | peterS | mystery02: something like that, but with the additional guarantee that it hasn't been tampered with - since the gpg signature cannot itself be forged |
| 07:59.34 | peterS | mystery02: whereas anybody can make a new md5 |
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| 08:00.37 | peterS | mystery02: this really works if and only if you have a trusted way of knowing that your copy of the signer's public key is itself genuine. once you know that, nobody else can forge their signatures and fool you into thinking it's the original dude |
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| 08:00.50 | rdancer | ... and if you're NSA, you can make a new file for the old md5, even ... |
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| 08:01.45 | tchino | do someone know a good dvd-program under debian |
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| 08:01.53 | titan | if I have linux installed, and switched the ide cables from IDE1 to IDE2, but still had everything in place.. would that matter? |
| 08:01.56 | rdancer | ~info xine |
| 08:02.01 | Guerin | tchino: nobody knows, no. |
| 08:02.10 | titan | would linux still boot? |
| 08:02.24 | Guerin | titan: yes it would matter, no it would not boot. |
| 08:02.49 | Guerin | titan: unless you change some other whings, like where your bootloader is, what device boots first, etc. |
| 08:03.13 | mystery02 | peterS : so md5 is like checking if the file is corrupted or not, gpg signature is to verify if its the original copy? |
| 08:03.17 | peterS | titan: your boot loader probably wouldn't even run, because the BIOS would try to boot the drive the boot loader is not on |
| 08:03.30 | titan | the server boots.. I just get errors... ro errors... and then it hangs while trying to load a service.. |
| 08:03.31 | peterS | mystery02: basically GPG verifies that your *md5* is not tampered with |
| 08:04.01 | peterS | mystery02: rather, the GPG sig contains an md5 sig, plus the ability to see who created the md5, in such a way that that person's identity can't be forged |
| 08:04.14 | mystery02 | cool |
| 08:04.16 | peterS | mystery02: actually that's a simplification - gpg actually uses something more secure than md5, called sha-1. but it's the same idea. |
| 08:04.17 | mystery02 | thanx |
| 08:04.35 | dsl372 | what program do I use to findout my disk usage? |
| 08:04.36 | rdancer | mystery02: md5 is the hash, pgp is a protocol that ensures the hash is made by some actual person you know |
| 08:04.45 | Guerin | dsl372: df, du |
| 08:05.09 | rdancer | mystery02: greatly simplified |
| 08:06.23 | SupIAmMike | i downloaded the sarge 1 cd from: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/sarge-i386-1.jigdo |
| 08:06.34 | SupIAmMike | and it said it was correct and i burned it to cd |
| 08:06.44 | rdancer | eh |
| 08:06.46 | SupIAmMike | but when i verify integrity of cd it says invalid |
| 08:06.59 | SupIAmMike | i want to check the integrity without booting from the cd |
| 08:07.06 | SupIAmMike | is there a way to md5check sum it? |
| 08:07.16 | rdancer | SupIAmMike: how did you download it? describe, please. |
| 08:07.19 | Guerin | SupIAmMike: md5sum /dev/cdrom > file1 |
| 08:07.37 | SupIAmMike | k |
| 08:07.45 | SupIAmMike | Guerin, thank you |
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| 08:08.02 | Guerin | SupIAmMike: then download the md5 has from debian.org and cat thatmd5 >> file1 |
| 08:08.10 | tchino | can someone help me to configure xprint under firefox, i can't print anything with it |
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| 08:08.28 | Guerin | tchino: why are you using xprint? |
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| 08:10.02 | tchino | Guerin: what i have to use to print anything with it, i use cups under konqueror, but under firefox??? |
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| 08:10.19 | Guerin | tchino: postscript |
| 08:10.46 | Guerin | tchino: if you set up cups correctly, postscript printing will Just Work |
| 08:10.53 | rdancer | the firefox in testing is unstable as hell. crashes every other hour, btw |
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| 08:11.04 | Guerin | rdancer: file bugs |
| 08:11.22 | mith | you actually use packages for firefox? |
| 08:11.25 | rdancer | Guerin: like: ``mozilla-firefox: it crashes'' |
| 08:11.39 | Guerin | rdancer: file with strace output or something |
| 08:11.47 | rdancer | eh |
| 08:12.17 | Guerin | rdancer: don't make me whup you with the bts stick... |
| 08:12.35 | mink | anyone know what package rar and unrar are in? |
| 08:12.45 | Guerin | i use the debian packages, even if they are flakey |
| 08:12.47 | peterS | mink: there's an 'unrar' package in debian, isn't there? |
| 08:12.50 | Guerin | mink: unrar, bizarrely. |
| 08:13.00 | wols | mink: non free |
| 08:13.01 | mink | Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:13.01 | mink | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 08:13.01 | mink | is only available from another source |
| 08:13.03 | mink | ah |
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| 08:13.19 | Guerin | rdancer: there ya go :) |
| 08:13.46 | rdancer | Guerin: don't you happen to have one so i didn't have to implement it myself? |
| 08:14.19 | rdancer | hm |
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| 08:14.30 | Guerin | rdancer: nah, I just used strace firefox |tail -n 100, then pasted from my console |
| 08:14.35 | FlimFlamMan | how do i rewind a tape in a scsi tape drive? |
| 08:14.57 | Guerin | err, tail -fn 100 or something |
| 08:14.58 | rdancer | but i can't automatically send the debugging output, 'cause it might contain some confidental info |
| 08:15.42 | rdancer | Guerin: is strace enough? won't they need the backtrace too? |
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| 08:16.24 | Guerin | rdancer: probably. the bug I reported was easily reproducible (segfault on open new javascript window), so it wasn't required. |
| 08:16.48 | wols | rdancer: don't you mean a stacktrace, not backtrace? |
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| 08:17.12 | rdancer | wols: bt in gdb? |
| 08:17.30 | wols | don't use gdb, dunno how they name it |
| 08:17.33 | jerzy_pre | hello, is somebody from poland? |
| 08:17.42 | wols | I'm lazy and use frontends to gdb if I use it :) |
| 08:17.51 | Guerin | jerzy_pre: yeah, several million people are, I think. |
| 08:17.52 | tchino | Guerin: I have the choice to print with: lp@64; hp980cxi@64; Postscript/hp980cxi |
| 08:18.04 | Guerin | tchino: what did I tell you to use? |
| 08:18.32 | jerzy_pre | I have a problem during instalation debian woody |
| 08:18.32 | tchino | Guerin: when I print with Postscript, nothing happens with my printer |
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| 08:18.40 | rdancer | Guerin: haha |
| 08:18.46 | Guerin | quick, put rdancer into rehab! he's addicted to pr0^Wcrack! |
| 08:19.00 | jerzy_pre | Screens found but none have a usable configuration |
| 08:19.00 | Guerin | tchino: then you don't have cups set up properly |
| 08:19.26 | jerzy_pre | my video card NVIDIA GEFORCE FX 5200 |
| 08:19.36 | tchino | Guerin: how ca i find the error, under konqueror, i get print right |
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| 08:19.48 | rdancer | Guerin: no and no. wtf rehab and give me some chocolate or i'll go nuts |
| 08:19.50 | coywolf | what is klibc? |
| 08:19.56 | tchino | Guerin: has firefox a problem |
| 08:19.58 | Guerin | jerzy_pre: dpkg-reconfigure, choose "nv", and select a resolution and refresh rates which match your monitor. |
| 08:20.15 | jerzy_pre | I did it |
| 08:20.53 | wols | rdancer: including caffeine and nicotine? |
| 08:20.57 | wols | 100% I guess |
| 08:21.04 | Guerin | tchino: kde apps print through a kde subsystem called kprinter. You can try telling ff to use that, or you can try to figure out what's wrong and make it work. FF does not have a printing bug; it works fine via cups/ps |
| 08:21.17 | Guerin | yeah, maybe not 100% |
| 08:21.40 | rdancer | wols: rather mind-destructing drugs |
| 08:21.41 | jerzy_pre | when I select nv then write that nv geforce 1 geforce 2 ... geforce 3 nothing about geforce fx |
| 08:21.42 | Guerin | tchino: do you have cupsys-bsd installed? |
| 08:21.51 | wols | Guerin: usually the ones who don't like coffee, substitute it with tea or jolt |
| 08:21.59 | jerzy_pre | I select vesa |
| 08:22.27 | Guerin | jerzy_pre: ok, vesa should work. |
| 08:22.50 | wols | jerzy_pre: or maybe the nvidia driver (non free however) |
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| 08:22.56 | Guerin | wols: not everyone drinks tea, coffee or jolt habitually |
| 08:23.00 | msn | Hi everyone.. |
| 08:23.06 | Guerin | wols: I don't. And I don't smoke, either. |
| 08:23.07 | wols | Guerin: lies. all lies |
| 08:23.16 | dsl372 | jolt? |
| 08:23.18 | Guerin | wols: I used to but I have standards. |
| 08:23.21 | rdancer | !jolt |
| 08:23.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, jolt is the most caffeine in a holdable bottle., or http://www.wetplanet.com/, or something that Servowire drinks alot :) |
| 08:23.31 | sachac | wols: I can't stand coffee. I can drink tea, but I'm not too fond of it. Chocolate rocks. |
| 08:23.31 | Guerin | jolt is shite |
| 08:23.32 | msn | prob: scroll not working even after selecting activate scroll events |
| 08:23.34 | rdancer | Guerin: standards? |
| 08:23.39 | jerzy_pre | Guerin: screens found, but none have a usable configured |
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| 08:23.43 | Guerin | rdancer: yeah. Standards. |
| 08:23.46 | rdancer | Guerin: like in non-decadent? |
| 08:23.49 | tchino | Guerin: no, but when i installed that, you can't use lpr |
| 08:23.56 | rdancer | Guerin: *moral* standards? |
| 08:24.03 | wols | coffee gives my stomach very bad vibes |
| 08:24.08 | Guerin | jerzy_pre: choose resolution and refresh which are correct for your monitor. Read your monitor documentation. |
| 08:24.12 | msn | any help any onw? |
| 08:24.19 | msn | one* |
| 08:24.19 | sussudio | !irritate msn |
| 08:24.20 | dpkg | msn: HELP ME!!! who uses cable lol |
| 08:24.30 | sachac | msn: Scroll mouse? |
| 08:24.35 | jerzy_pre | Guerin: I did it! :) |
| 08:24.38 | Guerin | tchino: erm, cupsys-bsd provides lp, etc. |
| 08:24.40 | msn | sachac: yeah |
| 08:24.45 | jerzy_pre | It doesn't help |
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| 08:24.48 | Guerin | jerzy_pre: if it doesn't work, do it again. |
| 08:24.58 | sachac | msn: Mmm, what HOWTO are you following? I usually check my XF86Config-4 for the Z axis mapping thingy... |
| 08:25.21 | jerzy_pre | It doesn't help I did it meny times... |
| 08:25.26 | Guerin | rdancer: no, epicurean standards. |
| 08:25.39 | Guerin | rdancer: I do have moral standards as well, but they're nothing like as strict. |
| 08:25.49 | msn | sachac: I had taken help about a month ago here only and someon told me to activate scroll events but it didn't help |
| 08:26.00 | msn | sachac: let me check the config.. |
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| 08:26.21 | Guerin | jerzy_pre: the fact that the x server has found your device means that it will work, once you find the right settings. |
| 08:27.02 | Guerin | rdancer: I mean, I can't get drinkable coffee here, and while I like tea, I'm not an habitual drinker. |
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| 08:27.13 | jerzy_pre | I found in google something like Option "crt_screen" what is it ? |
| 08:27.25 | coywolf | what is klibc? |
| 08:27.37 | Guerin | I was a barista for three years, and you can bet your arse I drank a lot of coffee then :) |
| 08:28.24 | msn | sachac: looked through the config... no Z-axis option |
| 08:29.01 | jerzy_pre | I found in google something like Option "crt_screen" what is it ? |
| 08:29.26 | peterS | msn: sachac means in the InputDevice section corresponding to your mouse - you want to have a line: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 08:29.44 | msn | peterS: thnx. |
| 08:30.12 | jerzy_pre | thx |
| 08:30.17 | jerzy_pre | narka |
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| 08:31.43 | Max_Steel | more people use the debian? |
| 08:32.11 | Shay | what's the debian? |
| 08:32.13 | Misirlou | Max_Steel: what? |
| 08:32.20 | Guerin | !irritate Shay |
| 08:32.20 | dpkg | Shay: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 08:32.24 | Guerin | !irritate Max_Steel |
| 08:32.24 | dpkg | Max_Steel: hi every1 who uses cable lol |
| 08:32.33 | Misirlou | !portuguese |
| 08:32.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 08:32.42 | Shay | !hurt Guerin |
| 08:32.44 | Max_Steel | I dont speak inglish very well Misirlou Guerin :( |
| 08:33.05 | Guerin | Max_Steel: more people than what? |
| 08:33.22 | Misirlou | Max_Steel: it's okay. :) see that channel, #debian-br |
| 08:33.35 | Max_Steel | How you know I brazilian? :)) |
| 08:33.47 | Max_Steel | How do you know I brazilian? :)) |
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| 08:33.55 | Guerin | #debian users are mind readers |
| 08:33.58 | Guerin | we have to be |
| 08:33.59 | Shay | *cough* |
| 08:34.00 | Misirlou | your host name ends with ".br" :) |
| 08:34.10 | Max_Steel | hummm |
| 08:34.24 | Guerin | Max_Steel: your computer is broadcasting an ip address!!11! |
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| 08:35.30 | SupIAmMike | wtf is going on? |
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| 08:35.57 | SupIAmMike | i have the debian sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 08:36.03 | SupIAmMike | and i do a md5sum on it |
| 08:36.07 | SupIAmMike | and its correct |
| 08:36.15 | The_Vulture | lovely.. |
| 08:36.16 | wols | !win SupIAmMike |
| 08:36.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, SupIAmMike! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 08:36.18 | SupIAmMike | then i copy it to my external hard drive and do a md5sum on it again |
| 08:36.22 | SupIAmMike | and its right |
| 08:36.24 | Shay | jaja |
| 08:36.25 | Shay | haha |
| 08:36.28 | SupIAmMike | theni take that external hard drive to windows |
| 08:36.33 | SupIAmMike | and the md5sum is no longer correct |
| 08:36.38 | takatumi_ | haha |
| 08:36.41 | Shay | blame microsoft |
| 08:36.44 | The_Vulture | SupIAmMike: and the filesystem on that disk is? |
| 08:36.45 | Shay | :| |
| 08:36.45 | takatumi_ | SupIAmMike: #windows |
| 08:36.49 | SupIAmMike | fat32 |
| 08:36.51 | wols | blame your windos md5sum thingie |
| 08:36.54 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 08:37.05 | SupIAmMike | whats strange is all my other isos get transfered that way |
| 08:37.13 | SupIAmMike | and those md5sums all work |
| 08:37.18 | SupIAmMike | very strange |
| 08:37.19 | The_Vulture | seems like an odd process to go through.. |
| 08:37.19 | wols | SupIAmMike: if you mount the iso in windows, does it work? |
| 08:37.41 | wols | I don't get why he needs sarge ISOs in windows, but oh well |
| 08:37.48 | zirikili | how do I know if exists a nvidia-kernel-*.deb for my kernel image ? |
| 08:38.02 | The_Vulture | zirikili: simple, apt-cache search |
| 08:38.07 | wols | zirikili: the nvidia driver is source. |
| 08:38.17 | Shay | zirikili; man apt-cache, or search in apt-get.org |
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| 08:40.15 | zirikili | I think I have to compile it |
| 08:40.54 | The_Vulture | so get nvidia-kernel-source and read the docs for it |
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| 08:41.45 | SupIAmMike | yes mounting it works |
| 08:41.59 | vajrus | ;] |
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| 08:42.58 | SupIAmMike | i also burnt a cd of the iso |
| 08:43.03 | SupIAmMike | and i can mount that too |
| 08:43.14 | SupIAmMike | but when i md5sum /dev/cdrom its not right |
| 08:43.44 | peterS | SupIAmMike: sometimes md5sum of /dev/cdrom will not be what you expect because cdrecord used the '-pad' option |
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| 08:43.57 | SupIAmMike | i used nero to burn the iso |
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| 08:45.15 | byty | can someone tel me a book for Debian but with exemples for dummis :) a link! |
| 08:45.30 | cafuego | byty: /usr/share/doc/* |
| 08:45.51 | cafuego | If you can't read, a book won't do much good either. |
| 08:46.16 | wols | byty: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ |
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| 08:46.44 | takatumi_ | byty: or apt-get install debian-reference |
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| 08:46.57 | byty | i know |
| 08:47.12 | byty | but if it possble one with exemples (pictures) |
| 08:47.14 | wols | byty: sorry, but there is not "Debian for Dummies" |
| 08:47.16 | sansblague | byty: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:47.32 | byty | i have oane :) |
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| 08:48.01 | wols | if you have already one, why ask us about one? Was this a trick question? |
| 08:48.02 | byty | bun not exactli for dummies |
| 08:48.05 | byty | Learning Debian GNU/Linux |
| 08:48.11 | byty | tis i have |
| 08:48.24 | byty | forme there i have teh #debian chanel |
| 08:48.30 | Kraig | damn.... |
| 08:48.35 | Kraig | i'm drunk again |
| 08:48.43 | Kraig | let's see what's up] |
| 08:48.45 | cafuego | Kraig: No, it's his typing. |
| 08:48.58 | Kraig | cafuego: heh |
| 08:48.58 | vchrizz | how do i see, if a hdd is beeing used atm ? |
| 08:49.07 | byty | but i thot some one knows one better |
| 08:49.08 | cafuego | vchrizz: unmount it |
| 08:49.09 | Kraig | vchrizz: mount |
| 08:49.09 | wols | vchrizz: mount |
| 08:49.12 | Kraig | lol |
| 08:49.21 | rdancer | vchrizz: lsof |
| 08:49.24 | cafuego | if it unmounts ok, it's not being used. |
| 08:49.33 | vchrizz | erm, ive got 9 hdds in a lvm |
| 08:49.41 | Kraig | lvm??????? |
| 08:49.42 | rdancer | !irritate helix |
| 08:49.43 | dpkg | helix: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 08:49.49 | cafuego | vchrizz: Ah, /proc/lvm/whatever? |
| 08:50.01 | cafuego | !drug helix |
| 08:50.05 | helix | yay |
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| 08:50.18 | Kraig | pardon me, wha does lvm mean? Linux Virtual Mount? |
| 08:50.20 | cafuego | helix: relaaaaaaaxxxx ;-) |
| 08:50.24 | Stinky_Finger | hello room |
| 08:50.27 | helix | fix my mic! |
| 08:50.28 | peterS | Kraig: logical volume manager |
| 08:50.29 | cafuego | !lvm |
| 08:50.29 | dpkg | methinks lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 08:50.30 | rdancer | !lvm |
| 08:50.34 | helix | !microphone |
| 08:50.36 | helix | :( |
| 08:50.36 | vchrizz | cafuego, uhm, ya |
| 08:50.40 | Kraig | heh |
| 08:50.40 | Stinky_Finger | would anyone have a link to a good how-to install a kernel guide? |
| 08:50.42 | helix | why |
| 08:50.43 | Kraig | ok |
| 08:50.56 | cafuego | helix: weekenditis, it just won't. |
| 08:50.58 | rdancer | !kernel howto |
| 08:50.58 | dpkg | kernel howto is probably at /usr/doc/HOWTO/Kernel-HOWTO.gz, or ask me about kernel-package, or http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=532&page=1 |
| 08:51.07 | wols | Stinky_Finger: installing is easy: dpkg -i <kernel deb> |
| 08:51.09 | Kraig | Stinky_Finger: is google alive? |
| 08:51.17 | peterS | extra, extra, read all about it, microphone is staticky and there is nothing you can do about it, or teh suck |
| 08:51.24 | helix | ;/ |
| 08:51.29 | helix | can I blame alsa? |
| 08:51.34 | cafuego | helix: Yes. |
| 08:51.36 | peterS | did you recently switch to alsa? |
| 08:51.40 | peterS | if so, who knows |
| 08:51.42 | wols | helix: use 2.6 |
| 08:51.44 | Stinky_Finger | I found a few on debians site but they skip over things because they aren't doing it the same way is me |
| 08:51.47 | helix | wols: I do use 2.6 |
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| 08:51.50 | Kraig | Stinky_Finger: or can apt-get install <whateverkernelyouwant> answer something? |
| 08:51.51 | helix | which is why I now use alsa |
| 08:51.53 | Stinky_Finger | kernel isn't something I want to screw around |
| 08:51.54 | wols | 2.4 + alsa = pain |
| 08:52.12 | Stinky_Finger | I'll try the apt then |
| 08:52.20 | helix | this is one of those unpleasant gifts 2.6 brought me |
| 08:52.22 | helix | maybe |
| 08:52.26 | vchrizz | there are 9 hdds in my system, and i got it in a raid5 with lvm configured, i would like to see which hdds are currently used ... |
| 08:52.28 | helix | cafuego: are you wearing pink? |
| 08:52.28 | Guerin | alsa and mics works fine |
| 08:52.29 | coywolf | what brown paper bags mean ? |
| 08:52.33 | helix | Guerin: not mine! :( |
| 08:52.35 | Guerin | does for me, anyhow |
| 08:52.36 | peterS | well, the OSS emu10k1 driver is still believed to work. try switching back. |
| 08:52.36 | rdancer | !raid 5 |
| 08:52.36 | dpkg | raid 5 is, like, A RAID 5 configuration utilizes three or more hard drives and stripes the data across them, much like RAID 0. The difference is that parity information is striped across the drives as well, so if you lose any one drive, the information can be reconstructed from the parity information. For example, with three drives, the first stripe is data (on drive 1), data (on drive 2), parity (on drive 3); then data, parity, data; then parity, data, data. This pa |
| 08:52.36 | dpkg | ne drive fails, you get a mix of parity and data on the remaining two drives and you can reconstruct all of the data. Of course, before the data is reconstructed, the RAID operates in "degraded mode" and is slow. To reconstruct the data, you must remove the failed drive and replace it with another. During reconstruction, the array continues to be slow. Once the RAID is reconstructed, performance returns to normal levels. RAID 5 performance is similar to RAID 0 perfor |
| 08:52.39 | dpkg | er due to the parity information. Performance increases, like RAID 0, when more drives are added. With RAID 5, you get most of the space that you've paid for, minus one drive's worth. A common option with RAID 5 is the hot spare, where a drive sits idle until needed. If you lose a drive, the hot spare takes over and the RAID is rebuilt automatically. Of course, you still get the performance penalty during the rebuilding stage. |
| 08:52.43 | helix | what the fuck |
| 08:52.44 | Stinky_Finger | exit |
| 08:52.44 | Guerin | christ |
| 08:52.49 | cafuego | helix: pink tutu, yellow bra-top, purple tiara |
| 08:52.52 | Guerin | !forget raid 5 |
| 08:52.52 | dpkg | Guerin: i forgot raid 5 |
| 08:52.58 | helix | cafuego: you look like my irc screen! |
| 08:53.00 | peterS | Guerin: good call, my man |
| 08:53.00 | Kraig | dude.... can't anyone get it through google? |
| 08:53.03 | wols | can dpkg get kicked for flooding? |
| 08:53.04 | Kraig | too much flood! |
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| 08:53.14 | Guerin | he can, but since that was only 3 lines... |
| 08:53.18 | peterS | wols: it can, but it probably won't |
| 08:53.25 | cafuego | wols: I'd killall -9 blootbot it if I could ;-) |
| 08:53.27 | Kraig | three "lines" |
| 08:53.28 | helix | cafuego: cytosine.org/~helix/tutu.png ! :) |
| 08:53.34 | wols | for that, it should get a honorary kicking |
| 08:53.59 | cafuego | helix: Now I'm scared |
| 08:54.29 | wols | do I dare visiting that url? |
| 08:54.34 | cafuego | Like, more scared than I was when I looked in a mirror |
| 08:54.35 | peterS | wols: it's reasonably work-safe |
| 08:54.53 | peterS | wols: it's even got you in it |
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| 08:55.05 | cafuego | wols: the purple suits you |
| 08:55.19 | Kraig | lol |
| 08:55.31 | helix | anyway |
| 08:55.35 | helix | now that you're all here |
| 08:55.37 | helix | let's fix my mic |
| 08:55.42 | cafuego | blame alsa, buy a bottle of vodka |
| 08:55.47 | helix | :( |
| 08:55.49 | peterS | yeah, if I were you I'd *try* blowing away alsa and loading the emu10k1 driver |
| 08:55.57 | peterS | alsa being "any module that starts with snd_" |
| 08:56.02 | helix | yeah |
| 08:56.04 | peterS | cafuego: w00t, have fun |
| 08:56.22 | cafuego | peterS: Well, the 80s sucked, so probably not. |
| 08:56.26 | helix | is there an equivalent of lsof for modules? |
| 08:56.32 | peterS | not really |
| 08:56.39 | wols | cafuego: but they had good drugs. especially in miami vice |
| 08:56.43 | Kraig | helix: lsmod? :P |
| 08:56.48 | peterS | you can do 'lsof /dev/dsp' for snd_pcm_oss |
| 08:56.57 | peterS | Kraig: she means find out what process is using a module |
| 08:56.58 | cafuego | wols: They cna keep the drugs if I can have their ferrari |
| 08:57.11 | peterS | helix: or 'lsof /dev/mixer' for snd_pcm_mixer |
| 08:57.25 | peterS | errr, snd_mixer_oss |
| 08:57.29 | wols | no drugs, no ferrari |
| 08:57.31 | Kraig | peterS: "she" sound perfect |
| 08:57.35 | vchrizz | no drugs, no fun |
| 08:57.36 | vchrizz | :P |
| 08:57.38 | peterS | Kraig: huh? |
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| 08:57.48 | vchrizz | *sing* smoke weed every day *sing* |
| 08:57.53 | wols | remember: first you get the drugs, then you get the women, then you get the power^Wferrari |
| 08:57.55 | cafuego | helix: Oh, set the gain to just under 100% when trying to record, 100% tends to give too much crap & distortion |
| 08:58.00 | Guerin | dpkg, raid 5 is striping+parity, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#RAID_5 |
| 08:58.00 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 08:58.15 | Kraig | peterS: don't pay attention to me, i'm just drunky |
| 08:58.32 | peterS | simonrvn: Sunday may have come early this week |
| 08:58.34 | helix | cafuego: the what? where? |
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| 08:58.37 | Guerin | Kraig: you drink even more than I do |
| 08:58.46 | cafuego | helix: input gain? alsamixer? |
| 08:58.55 | cafuego | helix: Don't tell me you didn't check the levels. |
| 08:58.57 | simonrvn | peterS: seems to be as freaky as the weather, everything coming in early |
| 08:58.58 | Kraig | Guerin: (define more (x)) |
| 08:59.05 | helix | cafuego: I did, but this is all new terminology |
| 08:59.17 | helix | besides, I don't use an english locale so if it says 'gains' that's meaningless to me |
| 08:59.32 | wols | Kraig: are you a LISPian? |
| 08:59.32 | helix | I don't think it does though |
| 08:59.33 | peterS | helix: aumix (in English) calls it "IGain" |
| 08:59.37 | helix | ah |
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| 08:59.44 | Kraig | wols: heh |
| 08:59.55 | cafuego | helix: You're using a portugese locale? |
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| 09:00.00 | helix | I can't open /dev/mixer now after loading emu10k1 :( |
| 09:00.02 | helix | cafuego: yeah |
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| 09:00.32 | cafuego | alsamixer calls it 'Mic' on a Powermac |
| 09:00.35 | peterS | helix: really? you did unload snd_* first, right? run 'dmesg | tail' to see if emu10k1 picked up your sound card |
| 09:00.53 | peterS | cafuego: aumix has a separate 'Mic' and 'IGain' on my hardware |
| 09:00.57 | helix | I just unloaded snd_emu10k1 |
| 09:01.02 | helix | but I'll get rid of the other CRAP |
| 09:01.11 | cafuego | peterS: Probably on mine too, just not running Linux on that box atm. |
| 09:01.17 | peterS | helix: yeah, you need to at least get rid of snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss. not sure if the other modules matter. |
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| 09:01.35 | helix | ok |
| 09:01.49 | simonrvn | those might get unloaded (modprobe -r) |
| 09:01.52 | PuGz | hey everyone... |
| 09:02.08 | cafuego | yes, iGain and Mic in aumix |
| 09:02.08 | peterS | hey PuGz |
| 09:02.19 | cafuego | actually, what sound chip does this mobo have? |
| 09:02.25 | helix | there's nothing in dmesg about it |
| 09:02.27 | PuGz | i have a few questions: 1) in console mode, i keep getting two errors which pop up and make my irssi look crap as text is being printed to the display |
| 09:02.29 | peterS | cafuego: mine is some form of via82xx |
| 09:02.34 | cafuego | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ea (rev a1) |
| 09:02.46 | cafuego | snd_intel8x0 |
| 09:02.57 | peterS | helix: unload snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss *then* reload emu10k1. I don't think it'll pick up new stuff unless you unload/reload it |
| 09:02.57 | helix | what the hell does "Treason uncloaked!" mean |
| 09:03.01 | helix | I did |
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| 09:03.03 | helix | oh |
| 09:03.04 | helix | wait |
| 09:03.05 | helix | ok |
| 09:03.27 | helix | yay |
| 09:03.27 | PuGz | the errors: "hdd: lost interupt" and something about my static ip not being connected (which i know it isn't... but dont want it to continually print it to the screen |
| 09:03.30 | cafuego | ./m dpkg tell helix about enter |
| 09:03.35 | PuGz | can i stop these from happening? |
| 09:03.38 | helix | I keel j00 |
| 09:03.46 | cafuego | PuGz: Yes |
| 09:03.54 | PuGz | really? |
| 09:03.59 | cafuego | PuGz: 1) new hdd cable 2) new hdd 3) new mobo |
| 09:04.06 | PuGz | that'd be soo good! |
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| 09:04.13 | peterS | PuGz: or 4) new power supply |
| 09:04.15 | PuGz | mobo? |
| 09:04.21 | PuGz | wats a mobo? |
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| 09:04.29 | cafuego | PuGz: lost interrupt *may* mean a broken ide chip |
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| 09:04.31 | peterS | that *could* cause those types of errors - a poor or undersized power supply |
| 09:04.33 | cafuego | !mobo |
| 09:04.33 | dpkg | i heard mobo is short for motherboard |
| 09:04.34 | simonrvn | PuGz: motherboard |
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| 09:04.39 | PuGz | so the hdd error is because my hard drive or the cable is stuffed or the power supply to it is stuffed? |
| 09:04.44 | PuGz | cool |
| 09:04.56 | cafuego | PuGz: Yeah, repace components, starting with the cheapest |
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| 09:05.11 | helix | yay |
| 09:05.13 | PuGz | actually... hdd is my second cdrom drive |
| 09:05.14 | helix | alsa sucks |
| 09:05.16 | helix | not my mic |
| 09:05.19 | helix | thanks d00dz |
| 09:05.22 | peterS | cool - np |
| 09:05.28 | PuGz | i have backups cdrom drives... should i try these instead? |
| 09:05.37 | cafuego | helix: email me invoice details |
| 09:05.45 | cafuego | PuGz: always worth a go |
| 09:05.46 | helix | in voice? |
| 09:05.50 | sussudio | helix: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/madcat.jpg < did you see that one? |
| 09:05.53 | peterS | helix: I'll add that to my mental knowledge base - 'record support on alsa emu10k1 is NOT TO BE TRUSTED' |
| 09:06.02 | helix | sussudio: oh yeah, heh :) |
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| 09:06.13 | wols | helix: he has to finance his exquisite 80s lifestyle, he needs cash |
| 09:06.14 | sussudio | helix: it's one of damien's minions |
| 09:06.19 | cafuego | peterS: Well, humans were never meant to speak to their computers |
| 09:06.23 | PuGz | ok.... what about the error about my static ip not being connected.... i know it isnt! cant i just tell it to continually try and get it in the backgrounds WITHOUT printing error messages? |
| 09:06.27 | cafuego | Yell abuse sure, speak no. |
| 09:06.36 | peterS | "I'm sorry, cafuego, I can't let you do that" |
| 09:06.49 | cafuego | Open the channel bay door, peterS. |
| 09:07.20 | wols | peterS: you had a sucky role anyways. you'd die at the end |
| 09:07.43 | cafuego | wols: hal didn't die |
| 09:07.43 | peterS | wols: nooooo... |
| 09:07.47 | simonrvn | peterS: you haven't? whoah. you should |
| 09:07.57 | peterS | simonrvn: haven't read the book either. I suck. |
| 09:08.04 | wols | cafuego: well, his eye surely wasn't brighly red anymore in the end |
| 09:08.08 | sussudio | peterS: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/quotes |
| 09:08.12 | simonrvn | peterS: you don't suck, you're missing out |
| 09:08.19 | cafuego | wols: he got lobotomised, but fixed in 2010 |
| 09:08.36 | cafuego | Then dave comes back and takes HAL with him |
| 09:08.44 | PuGz | xcdroast and kernel 2.6.8-1-686... it is slow due to atapi cd writer... can this be patched or something? |
| 09:08.49 | cafuego | Then there's 2061 |
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| 09:08.54 | cafuego | and it all goe s abit weird |
| 09:08.56 | simonrvn | 2010 was freaky. 2060 (?) too |
| 09:09.19 | simonrvn | 2061. thanks cafuego |
| 09:10.00 | wols | only saw 2010 |
| 09:10.21 | simonrvn | 2061 was a book only AFAIK |
| 09:10.29 | kreg | hah hah, my roomate said voltage "detector" |
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| 09:10.39 | Kraig | here i'm back again |
| 09:10.51 | spinifex | what's that linux space shooter game where you have to keep the dudes from passing you? |
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| 09:11.07 | spinifex | comes with red hat.. I forget what it's called |
| 09:11.08 | Kraig | lol |
| 09:11.17 | sussudio | in soviet russia, kidneystone passes you. |
| 09:11.24 | simonrvn | ouch |
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| 09:12.08 | takatumi_ | surprising, with all the vodka |
| 09:12.09 | bullet | whats a good manufacturer for heatsinks besides thermaltake and coolermaster both of their websites suck i can't get product info |
| 09:12.23 | jasonf | ultraproducts.com |
| 09:12.23 | bullet | ie proprietary junk |
| 09:12.33 | jasonf | :) |
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| 09:13.03 | spinifex | oh, I think it's chromium |
| 09:13.06 | wols | bullet: neither of them is a good source for heatsinks |
| 09:13.49 | Kraig | bullet: vodka rulez! but atm i prefer red wine |
| 09:14.09 | wols | vodka gives less headache |
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| 09:14.13 | bullet | wols, enlighten me. |
| 09:14.27 | wols | !buddha bullet |
| 09:14.36 | Kraig | hmm... for me wine gisves me less headache |
| 09:14.39 | spinifex | which package is the sdl runtime? |
| 09:14.42 | bullet | har har |
| 09:14.52 | pau4o | hi 2 all |
| 09:14.52 | wols | bullet: try thermalright |
| 09:15.14 | Kraig | *yawn* |
| 09:15.20 | spinifex | er possibly opengl. I get "SDL Parachute Deployed" |
| 09:16.32 | spinifex | ...erk.. how do I kill a program that won't die? I've tried "kill %1" |
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| 09:16.50 | wols | kill -9 |
| 09:16.56 | peterS | spinifex: try other signals - kill -TERM %1, kill -HUP %1, and if all else fails, kill -KILL %1 |
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| 09:17.15 | peterS | spinifex: if *that* fails, it's either a kernel bug or an NFS server problem |
| 09:17.16 | sx1 | kill bash ;) |
| 09:17.37 | Kraig | Ctrl + Alt + Bckspace :P |
| 09:17.39 | pau4o | spinifex, i got the same "SDL Parachute Deployed" then I susped program and after that I kill -9 |
| 09:17.45 | Kraig | suena bien windbugs! |
| 09:17.55 | Kraig | hmmmm wrong channel! :p |
| 09:18.39 | spinifex | kill -9? that kills all programs.. not a good idea |
| 09:18.53 | peterS | spinifex: no, it kills what you ask of it |
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| 09:19.18 | FlimFlamMan | i'm on a debian box and i'm trying to list available databases on an oracle server. any idea how i might do this? i have a login but don't know the database name, but i'd know it if i see it. |
| 09:19.18 | spinifex | ah, kill KILL 'd it |
| 09:19.18 | Kraig | hmm.. we had a damn earthquake... i wonder if that's the reason (or a good excuse) of why are there so much things down |
| 09:19.46 | spinifex | so how do I resolve the sdl problem? |
| 09:19.53 | Kraig | FlimFlamMan: wayttd? |
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| 09:20.14 | Kraig | at least i don't get it :P |
| 09:20.26 | FlimFlamMan | Kraig, what? |
| 09:20.56 | Kraig | does :P means something? |
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| 09:21.46 | sussudio | :-P |
| 09:22.03 | Piggy | =:8 |
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| 09:22.20 | FlimFlamMan | Kraig, waytt? |
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| 09:24.59 | shantanoo | hi! |
| 09:25.11 | shantanoo | i have a small problem regarding cups |
| 09:25.27 | shantanoo | running knoppix 3.6. did 'apt-get cupsys' |
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| 09:25.45 | sussudio | shantanoo: #knoppix |
| 09:25.47 | sussudio | now feck off. |
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| 09:26.00 | spinifex | meh. the program still crashes. I installed the sdl package with all options. Perhaps I need opengl. What apt package should I get? |
| 09:26.01 | josant | hi |
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| 09:26.24 | shantanoo | sussudio, hmmm |
| 09:26.38 | wols | spinifex: do you have a hardware accelerated opengl driver? |
| 09:26.46 | shantanoo | sussudio, its better to hear the problem and the comment anything |
| 09:26.53 | sussudio | shantanoo: no. fuck off. now. |
| 09:26.57 | spinifex | you mean specific to my graphics card? |
| 09:27.12 | wols | shantanoo: as soon as you said "knoppix", we didn't need to hear anything else |
| 09:27.25 | wols | spinifex: yes, you can of course use software opengl, but why? |
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| 09:27.30 | shantanoo | its be installed in in debian mode. |
| 09:27.37 | sussudio | shantanoo: no, asshole. |
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| 09:27.59 | wols | shantanoo: there is no debian mode. there is knoppix, nothing else. now go to #knoppix or install real debian |
| 09:28.01 | shantanoo | and i am using it as debian system itself. |
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| 09:28.15 | sphere | chortle |
| 09:28.19 | sussudio | shantanoo: HELLO WHAT IS YOUR MAJOR MALFUNCTION? KNOPPIX =! DEBIAN |
| 09:28.27 | spinifex | wols: my graphics card sucks-- it's laptop with Intel Extreme Graphics 2. I think the driver is installed properly, but I don't know how to tell... |
| 09:28.40 | sphere | sussudio heeft een ontstopper in zijn reet |
| 09:28.41 | wols | spinifex: glxinfo |
| 09:28.45 | spinifex | reason is I installed it with alien =P |
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| 09:28.57 | sussudio | helix? |
| 09:29.00 | sphere | shantanoo: :W |
| 09:29.04 | wols | spinifex: it's just that without hardware support, you usually won't be happy with opengl |
| 09:29.16 | sussudio | sphere: and you be quiet |
| 09:29.17 | wols | if you need software opengl, you can install mesa |
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| 09:29.31 | spinifex | wols, what I want to do is play chromium |
| 09:29.36 | sphere | sussudio: je bent vast zo'n klein pisventje met veel puisten :) |
| 09:29.38 | spinifex | my question is what I need |
| 09:29.45 | shantanoo | btw i forgot to say that in general it is more related to cups. |
| 09:29.49 | wols | never heard of that game |
| 09:29.53 | sphere | Shadur: bye |
| 09:29.53 | spinifex | cuz it seg faults and says "SDL Parachute deployed" |
| 09:29.55 | alexissoft | hi |
| 09:29.56 | sphere | shantanoo: bye |
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| 09:30.19 | wols | spinifex: apt-get should take care of "what it needs", no? |
| 09:30.31 | spinifex | ... I suppose.. but it crashes |
| 09:30.40 | spinifex | I'm assuming I need a runtime |
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| 09:31.00 | carnage | hey whats that windows manager that looks like xp? |
| 09:31.01 | sussudio | sphere: you're probably one of those fuckers who takes pleasure in kicking defenseless little pigs down the stairs. |
| 09:31.01 | spinifex | because things like this often take some setup in windows-- grabbing dlls from various places |
| 09:31.07 | wols | that's what the wonderful "Depends:" line is for in debs |
| 09:31.24 | spinifex | .. then why doesn't it work? |
| 09:31.34 | wols | so you might want to check if you have hardware opengl, but apart from that, everything should be alright by just apt-getting the game |
| 09:31.50 | spinifex | you try it. grab the package |
| 09:31.55 | spinifex | and see if it seg faults on ya =P |
| 09:32.08 | wols | I doubt it would work very well on a headless box. just a hunch |
| 09:32.21 | spinifex | oh |
| 09:32.24 | wols | and I don't have a intel extreme videocard either |
| 09:32.25 | Exasparilla | carnage: Gnome, KDE, IceWM and FVWM all can be made to look like xp. |
| 09:32.34 | Exasparilla | carnage: probably others, too |
| 09:32.45 | carnage | oh |
| 09:32.48 | spinifex | wols: that's why I asked. I wanted to know if it was hardware specific or not |
| 09:32.48 | wols | since it could very well be a hardware/driver issue |
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| 09:33.11 | spinifex | anyway, glxinfo displays a lot of info. What am I looking for? |
| 09:33.13 | wols | probably. I now tell you the third time to run glxinfo, but you seem not to listen |
| 09:33.17 | sansblague | carnage: xpde |
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| 09:33.27 | spinifex | I did listen, I did run it |
| 09:33.32 | wols | hardware accel for your videocard |
| 09:33.42 | wols | or if it's in software mode |
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| 09:34.20 | RyanW | Hello - how can i disable conntrack or up the max limit? |
| 09:34.24 | wols | now I have to go shopping hardware for other people. grmbl |
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| 09:34.30 | Max_Steel | exist rational rose for linux? |
| 09:34.48 | sussudio | !pt |
| 09:34.48 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 09:35.04 | spinifex | I.. can't see what I'm looking for.. Shall I paste in a pastebin? |
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| 09:35.25 | Kraig | damn.. i'm so drunk!!! |
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| 09:36.32 | spinifex | http://www.pastebin.com/121689 |
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| 09:38.23 | spinifex | wols: conclusion? |
| 09:38.45 | maestro[] | spinifex: direct rendering is enabled |
| 09:39.06 | spinifex | so my hardware is peachy? |
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| 09:39.28 | maestro[] | spinifex: I don't even know what you want to do... |
| 09:39.38 | spinifex | I want to run chromium |
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| 09:39.57 | spinifex | but it dies and says "SDL Parachute Deployed" |
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| 09:40.40 | usn | good morning |
| 09:40.43 | marsjays | anyone experiencing problems with the prism54 driver in 2.6.8? |
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| 09:41.02 | maestro[] | spinifex: Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
| 09:41.11 | maestro[] | spinifex: Same here |
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| 09:42.36 | jintxo | why don't you try running it under strace and see if that shows some info on why it segfaults? just a thought |
| 09:42.38 | spinifex | hmm. damn. gltron works |
| 09:42.49 | spinifex | k |
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| 09:43.58 | jintxo | I had a similar problem with firefox and abiword segfaulting for no apparent reason and it turned out to be they were trying to read font files directly (bad) and didn't have perms to read them |
| 09:43.58 | maestro[] | jintxo: Hm, there are no information about that |
| 09:44.04 | spinifex | well that's quite a lot of output |
| 09:44.36 | jintxo | spinifex, strace -o /tmp/strace.out <program_name> and then take a look at the file. The interesting stuff should be towards the end |
| 09:44.38 | spinifex | yeah, gxine seg faulted on me a few times randomly just recently |
| 09:45.07 | guli | jintxo help me pls will ya ? |
| 09:45.16 | jintxo | guli, if I can... |
| 09:45.20 | sussudio | !irritate guli |
| 09:45.20 | dpkg | guli: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses cable plz msg me, $RANDNICK |
| 09:45.44 | Kraig | damn i'm sleepy now!! |
| 09:45.51 | sussudio | !CMD: irritate (.*?) =~ s/$RANDNICK/$randnick/ |
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| 09:46.21 | solar_ | what type of audio player will play .rm files ?? |
| 09:46.38 | jintxo | solar_: real player? |
| 09:46.56 | solar_ | I cannot find real player in apt-cache search |
| 09:46.56 | sussudio | solar_: real craptastico anal intrustion spyware for windows? |
| 09:46.58 | Kraig | hehe |
| 09:47.15 | spinifex | real player!? |
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| 09:47.43 | sachac | Totem? |
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| 09:47.57 | spinifex | just get codecs for something else.. xine or mplayer perhaps |
| 09:48.45 | spinifex | anyway, shall I paste a portion of this strace? I'm not sure what to make of it |
| 09:48.46 | jintxo | guli, don't be messaging people at random, it's considered to be rude |
| 09:48.49 | solar_ | I could not find mplayer in the apt-cache search command |
| 09:48.57 | guli | okay |
| 09:48.58 | guli | sorry |
| 09:49.03 | solar_ | what should I add to the apt sources to be able to find the mplayer? |
| 09:49.19 | streuner | solar_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 09:49.30 | Exasparilla | solar_: getting the codecs for xine or mplayer would be best, but you can download the rpm of realplayer 10 and use alien to convert it into a nice little deb. I do and it works wonderfully. |
| 09:49.34 | spinifex | I tried that, but it didn't work. So I got gxine instead |
| 09:49.37 | Kraig | solar_: something like deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 09:49.53 | Kraig | might work |
| 09:50.07 | Honksu | is there newer release than debian 3 woody r3? i can't install it because it has too old cfdisk. can you please help me somehow? |
| 09:50.14 | spinifex | urk.. I can't stand realplayer even on windows.. use something else |
| 09:50.41 | spinifex | kraig, sometimes we want opinions, or have no fucking clue what to do |
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| 09:50.54 | Exasparilla | solar_: you can use www.apt-get.org to search for debian repositories |
| 09:50.54 | sachac | Honksu: You could try the sarge installers... |
| 09:51.01 | Kraig | spinifex: that's what google stands for :P |
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| 09:51.15 | solar_ | woot I got a new source |
| 09:51.17 | solar_ | :) |
| 09:51.18 | solar_ | thank you |
| 09:51.20 | Kraig | lol |
| 09:51.21 | spinifex | =P |
| 09:51.25 | Kraig | good for you |
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| 09:52.00 | RyanW | how can i disable conntrack? |
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| 09:52.31 | Kraig | RyanW: rmmod doesn't work? |
| 09:52.33 | sussudio | RyanW: don't load it? |
| 09:52.41 | Kraig | sussudio: :P |
| 09:52.53 | RyanW | sussudio: how can i make it not load at boot? |
| 09:53.02 | solar_ | hmmm codec files seem like they would be the easiest |
| 09:53.38 | Joris | how do I rebuild /var/lib/dpkg/available ? |
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| 09:54.34 | sachac | Joris: apt-get update? <guess> |
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| 09:54.43 | Honksu | thanks sachac i am ging to try sarge rc2 |
| 09:54.52 | mystery02 | hey what does it means when it say "Could not find access concentrator for my eth0" (I'm configureing my adsl internet via pppoeconf) |
| 09:55.05 | Joris | sachac: that was my first tought too, but it's not working |
| 09:55.09 | Kraig | well.... i'm gonna sleep |
| 09:55.11 | khert | is there software to control the mouse via script or an api of some kind? |
| 09:55.15 | Kraig | see you\ |
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| 09:55.20 | khert | may be a mouse driver? |
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| 09:55.52 | khert | i mean to make the cursor move about the screen programmatically |
| 09:56.22 | sachac | khert: XTest? Not sure... |
| 09:56.54 | maestro[] | khert: There is |
| 09:57.04 | maestro[] | khert: But I don't have by bookmarks here |
| 09:57.18 | khert | i idea what it was called maestro? |
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| 09:58.26 | maestro[] | khert: Nope :( |
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| 09:59.27 | maestro[] | khert: You can set the mouse position with symox |
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| 10:00.26 | maestro[] | khert: Oh. It was called Xmacro |
| 10:02.57 | khert | ok, installing it now |
| 10:03.01 | Stinky_Finger | is there a better way to search around? My main headache is not being able to find things. I use apropos find man -k whereis |
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| 10:03.46 | Stupendoussteve | Woohoo, Debian on Sparc finally decided to work... |
| 10:03.47 | Stupendoussteve | mostly |
| 10:04.01 | Stupendoussteve | Is anyone familiar with the xserver on an Ultra |
| 10:04.02 | Stupendoussteve | ? |
| 10:04.16 | khert | stinky, try "locate" |
| 10:04.25 | sussudio | !polls |
| 10:04.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 10:05.11 | Stupendoussteve | I see |
| 10:05.26 | Stinky_Finger | ty khert, that may help me alot! |
| 10:05.39 | Stupendoussteve | In that case, is anyone familiar with the graphics driver that should be used for the xserver on an Ultra? |
| 10:06.06 | sussudio | ... |
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| 10:06.26 | Stupendoussteve | I have an Ultra 10... the hardware recognition says it's an ATI |
| 10:06.31 | khert | np |
| 10:07.03 | Stupendoussteve | When it comes time to starting the xserver, nothing... |
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| 10:07.19 | Stupendoussteve | the system freezes (though I can still SSH in) |
| 10:07.30 | sussudio | !sparc |
| 10:07.30 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 10:07.55 | Stupendoussteve | Thank yhou |
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| 10:09.20 | Bru | hello, can anyone point me to some docs explaining howto downgrade a package with apt oder dpkg? |
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| 10:10.12 | Mr_Smoke | morning |
| 10:10.13 | SuNfIrE | whats the best way to find out if a hdd is about to die? is there any stress prog ? |
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| 10:10.31 | Mr_Smoke | i'm looking for a little help regarding two problems : |
| 10:10.40 | marsjays | anyone know if the cd writing issues in 2.6.8 has been fixed in >2.6.9? |
| 10:10.43 | caphuso | SuNfIrE: use smartctl |
| 10:10.45 | Mr_Smoke | 1) why isn't 2.6.9 apt'ed yet ? |
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| 10:11.01 | maestro[] | Mr_Smoke: 2.6.9 is in unstable |
| 10:11.03 | Mr_Smoke | 2) how come my grub cannot boot my WinXP on /dev/hdb1 (grub installed on /dev/hda) |
| 10:11.12 | Mr_Smoke | maestro[], huh, how much unstable ? |
| 10:11.37 | SuNfIrE | caphuso: thx. will try it |
| 10:11.56 | Mr_Smoke | aah "in" unstable |
| 10:12.08 | Mr_Smoke | and, when will it move to testing ? |
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| 10:12.55 | simonrvn | Bru: there's no howto for that. you just install a lower version atop the current one |
| 10:13.04 | maestro[] | Mr_Smoke: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279880 |
| 10:13.17 | Mr_Smoke | besides, i'd really like to boot WinXP in order to export mailbox & contacts from Mozilla, but when I select WinXP from grub, i get the grub prompt and nada |
| 10:14.14 | Bru | simonrvn: if i try with a simple apt-get install pkg it complaints it is already there, but in an newer version |
| 10:14.55 | maestro[] | Mr_Smoke: Uh, first time i booted windows was yesterday because it was pre-installed on my new noteook. No idea on how that thing works |
| 10:14.55 | simonrvn | Bru: fetch the .deb manually, then install with dpkg |
| 10:15.03 | Mr_Smoke | maestro[], hm ok, i take their word but there's not much details about the bug |
| 10:15.11 | Bru | simonrvn: i will try |
| 10:15.18 | Mr_Smoke | maestro[], hehe ok i'll ask other people ;) |
| 10:15.49 | Mr_Smoke | still, i'd like a kernel in which i can burn CD's |
| 10:15.57 | Mr_Smoke | think ill downgrade to 2.6.7 then |
| 10:16.19 | marsjays | Mr_Smoke: there's always the option to fetch a newer kernel from kernel.org |
| 10:16.37 | simonrvn | Bru: you might want to add a temporary deb line to fetch older versions - something like: deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool <name of source package>. the source package you can get from apt-cache show <package name> |
| 10:16.42 | marsjays | Mr_Smoke: so, cd writing is fixed in 2.6.9 then? |
| 10:16.45 | Mr_Smoke | marsjays, i know, but I'm beign very lazy these days : moved from Mandrake do Debian, and I'm addicted to apt-get :/ |
| 10:16.52 | Mr_Smoke | marsjays, so i'm told |
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| 10:17.28 | Bru | simonrvn: ok thanks, iŽll have to tidy up that system :-) |
| 10:17.54 | vajrus | why here is so many bans ?! :) |
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| 10:18.33 | Joris | sachac: I copied the available.old back, and now it works nicely again... but I still wonder how that list gets updated |
| 10:19.36 | Mr_Smoke | damnit |
| 10:19.45 | Mr_Smoke | boot-admin crashes in my face !? |
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| 10:20.30 | simonrvn | Joris: dselect update |
| 10:20.30 | Athon_Solo | * wonders why the new nvidiai-kernel-common has been released but no nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 10:23.45 | adaran2 | i want to reconfigure my mail system (i skipped over that at installation time) - however, dpkg-reconfigure exim4 does not work. am i missing something here? |
| 10:23.56 | simonrvn | exim4-config iirc |
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| 10:26.34 | kris_ | hi all |
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| 10:27.31 | ElllisD | i keep getting no such directory when i startx....apt-get -f dist-upgrade gets an error, as does apt-get -f install, and apt-get install x-windows-system... how do i fix this? |
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| 10:27.35 | marsjays | anyone having problems with the prism54 driver in 2.6.8? |
| 10:28.01 | khert | maestro[], dude, i found exactly what i was looking for: http://hoopajoo.net/projects/xautomation.html |
| 10:28.14 | caphuso | ElllisD: obviously by letting everyone guess what error you get |
| 10:28.20 | ElllisD | o- sorry |
| 10:28.22 | ElllisD | brb |
| 10:28.38 | maestro[] | khert: cool |
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| 10:29.01 | khert | this thing is awesome, it even has visgrep |
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| 10:31.23 | ElllisD | well the screens huge, it starts w/ t locate file/copy, then what looks like a file path, then begin failed compilation aborted.......then b-process usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code 1 |
| 10:31.45 | maestro[] | ElllisD: Kan you c&p it to paster? |
| 10:32.31 | ElllisD | its on another machine... im in irc via windows- i wish i could- |
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| 10:32.47 | Stinky_Finger | can anyone recommend another distro for me? |
| 10:32.53 | maestro[] | ElllisD: Can't you ssh to the box? |
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| 10:33.14 | Stinky_Finger | every single tutorial i've gone over is pretty much uesless |
| 10:33.17 | ElllisD | i dunno what ssh is |
| 10:33.24 | ElllisD | i just installed yesterday |
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| 10:33.54 | maestro[] | ElllisD: Uh, ssh is a great thing... |
| 10:34.08 | ElllisD | can i start over cleaner than doing base-config- when i do that all the packages are already downloaded |
| 10:34.22 | Stinky_Finger | ohh that looks fun |
| 10:34.25 | Stinky_Finger | very fun |
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| 10:34.39 | maestro[] | ElllisD: You can remoetly login and run commands |
| 10:34.44 | maestro[] | with ssh |
| 10:34.44 | ElllisD | well i dont doubt it....as i understand everything in linux is a great thing....if only i could get it installed & working |
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| 10:35.07 | maestro[] | ElllisD: apt-get insall ssh and log in from you windows box and copy the error |
| 10:35.12 | maestro[] | Stinky_Finger: Ehm |
| 10:35.15 | ElllisD | k-- ill try ty |
| 10:35.28 | maestro[] | Stinky_Finger: Do you have a specific problem? |
| 10:35.37 | Stinky_Finger | basically everything |
| 10:35.48 | Stinky_Finger | I can't find half the stuff i'm looking for |
| 10:35.59 | maestro[] | Stinky_Finger: You know apt-get ? |
| 10:36.07 | Stinky_Finger | most examples for commands don't do diddly |
| 10:36.16 | Stinky_Finger | yeah I can install stuff |
| 10:36.34 | ElllisD | sorry but ssh is already the newest version....i get unmet dependencies in abiword.gtk & abiword.common |
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| 10:36.56 | maestro[] | ElllisD: What version of debian do you have? |
| 10:37.02 | maestro[] | Stinky_Finger: What commands for example? |
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| 10:37.11 | Gh0sty | Hello |
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| 10:37.31 | Stinky_Finger | sorry I don't have anything to give you as an example |
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| 10:38.32 | maestro[] | Stinky_Finger: Hm ok... but it's very difficult for me to help you if I don't know what's not working |
| 10:38.44 | Stinky_Finger | well everythings working |
| 10:38.57 | caphuso | maestro[]: stop feeding the troll |
| 10:39.01 | Stinky_Finger | sorry i'm just frustrated |
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| 10:39.36 | ElllisD | i dunno really- i installed from floppies and then over the network--- the only thing i have with a date on it (no version) are the bin files i put on the floppies....the root.bin date is - shoot its yesterday--- i just dunno |
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| 10:41.34 | ElllisD | is there a way to do something like apt-discard so i can start it over |
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| 10:43.35 | dsl372 | anyone know the name of that site that backs up the internet? |
| 10:44.29 | blitznl | I am trying to compile some module, but it rants on not finding kernel.h, well I searched my machine and indeed no kernel.h on it, but I do have kernel-source installed, now what? |
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| 10:44.38 | Exasparilla | dsl372: the wayback machine? |
| 10:44.50 | BR | archive.org ? |
| 10:44.52 | Exasparilla | www.archive.org |
| 10:45.12 | ElllisD | google cache? |
| 10:45.14 | dsl372 | ok thanks |
| 10:45.28 | caphuso | blitznl: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 10:45.47 | cyberyo | io |
| 10:46.02 | blitznl | caphuso: thank you! |
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| 10:46.53 | ElllisD | is there a way to restart the debian network install process, discarding all it already downloaded? |
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| 10:48.59 | dsl372 | I wish it had images :( |
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| 10:51.06 | Qtlover | Hi |
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| 10:53.01 | Stinky_Finger | what are major and minor numbers? |
| 10:53.31 | mystery02 | hey during debian sarge network installation, i chose a ftp source that is not responding.. but the program keeps on trying to connect to that ftp....and i can't proceed further.. |
| 10:53.49 | mystery02 | how do I re-run the installation to choose the source again? |
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| 10:54.05 | mystery02 | vi /etc/apt/sources.lst, theres nothign inside |
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| 10:54.10 | revz | yo |
| 10:54.19 | caphuso | mystery02: run apt-setup |
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| 10:54.45 | mystery02 | aphuso : so I executge a shell and run there? what does it do? configure my source again? |
| 10:54.58 | Karhuton | Isn't it "sources.list" ? |
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| 10:55.15 | mystery02 | Karhuton : ya, my bad |
| 10:55.20 | Karhuton | mystery02: Use TAB to complete your filenames. |
| 10:55.26 | Karhuton | sources.list shouldn't be empty. |
| 10:55.32 | Karhuton | Is it? |
| 10:55.37 | mystery02 | it is empty... |
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| 10:55.58 | mystery02 | and before that i chose a ftp that is not respoinding and the program keeps on connecting... i can't proceed my installation |
| 10:55.59 | Karhuton | Do what caphuso says. Then you'll get security updates too. |
| 10:56.06 | mystery02 | alright thanx |
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| 11:00.55 | sussudio | is it made of lemon juice? |
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| 11:02.53 | mejo | hi |
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| 11:03.10 | mejo | i try to compile a custom 2.6.9 kernel from kernel-source-2.6.9 with the host-skas patch. |
| 11:03.24 | mejo | the patch applies successfull, if i use --added-patches skas. |
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| 11:03.49 | mejo | anyway, the kernel_image target fails at the end with some error like, |
| 11:03.50 | RichiH | can anyone using testing/sid confirm that kernel-image-2.6-k7 does not point to kernel-image-2.6.9-k7, but to kernel-image-2.6.8-k7? |
| 11:04.21 | mejo | changelog sais we create '2.6.9', but it should be '2.6.9-host-skas-v7'. |
| 11:04.30 | RichiH | or is this expected behaviour because of the impeding freeze? |
| 11:04.55 | The_Vulture | RichiH: confirm it with packages.debian.org |
| 11:05.01 | caphuso | RichiH: 2.6.9 isn't going to move into sarge |
| 11:05.11 | caphuso | RichiH: and stop being away! |
| 11:05.13 | The_Vulture | and that away script is annoying.. |
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| 11:05.15 | The_Vulture | indeed |
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| 11:05.18 | RichiH | caphuso: it's the same with with sid, though |
| 11:05.22 | caphuso | RichiH: yes, of course |
| 11:05.27 | RichiH | oh, yes, sorry |
| 11:05.54 | Penix | managed to get the panel to go underneath the windows, just need to get them to maximize over it |
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| 11:05.59 | Penix | bah. wrong channel |
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| 11:06.13 | caphuso | RichiH: that still means that 2.6.8 is for now the "official" 2.6 kernel, even for sid |
| 11:06.19 | zamolxes | so how would i lock a console after n minutes of inactivity? |
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| 11:06.52 | RichiH | caphuso: this kinda conflicts with 'This package will always depend on the latest 2.6 kernel image available', but oh well.. :) |
| 11:06.55 | sussudio | in soviet russia, console locks you |
| 11:07.02 | Stinky_Finger | how could I check whats accessing a certain port/driver/address (dsp located in /dev) |
| 11:07.15 | Stinky_Finger | lol |
| 11:07.16 | caphuso | RichiH: 2.6.9 isn't available |
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| 11:08.56 | Stinky_Finger | /dev/dsp would be called a? |
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| 11:09.09 | ElllisD | can anyone tell me what net module works for a linksys lne100tx fast ethernet card? |
| 11:09.43 | sussudio | !listkeys linksys |
| 11:09.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'linksys' by key (1 shown): linksys. |
| 11:09.47 | RichiH | caphuso: i am not sure what you mean by not available. in sid, it's definately there |
| 11:09.56 | caphuso | RichiH: that's irrelevant |
| 11:10.08 | RichiH | Stinky_Finger: lsof |
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| 11:10.12 | sussudio | ElllisD: just bloody google for it. |
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| 11:10.26 | RichiH | !fgi |
| 11:10.26 | dpkg | fgi is, like, http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 11:10.28 | The_Vulture | RichiH: I think the point he's trying to make is that packages are targetted for sarge, sid is just a staging ground |
| 11:10.44 | chrysopa | Hi! |
| 11:10.54 | The_Vulture | not sure if that makes sense though.. *shrugs* |
| 11:11.02 | Stinky_Finger | holy jesus |
| 11:11.05 | caphuso | that's how it works |
| 11:11.06 | ElllisD | google was no help last time- i even called their tech support and they had no idea |
| 11:11.07 | Stinky_Finger | thanks richih |
| 11:11.32 | ElllisD | whats !listkeys linksys refer to? |
| 11:11.41 | chrysopa | I Try to make a statistic of my system. What program use more memory. I try to use procmeter3, but it dont work. Any suggestions? |
| 11:11.51 | caphuso | chrysopa: top |
| 11:11.55 | dsl372 | how do you configure linux (meaning most linux programs that require internet access ) to use a proxy? |
| 11:11.58 | POVaddct | ElllisD: try the tulip module |
| 11:12.15 | RichiH | The_Vulture: while my point is that packages can stay in sid forever without hurting anyone. but i read that new packages for newstable should be put into sid nonetheless, so the reason might lie there.. |
| 11:12.21 | caphuso | dsl372: /msg dpkg http_proxy |
| 11:12.42 | The_Vulture | RichiH: yes, packages can't skip sid and go straight to sarge, that wouldn't make sense |
| 11:12.58 | ElllisD | the tulip is working for the linksys nc100, but not the lne100tx....come to thnk of it there were 3 tulips listed... ill try all of them and see if the others work on the lne---thanks |
| 11:13.07 | Stinky_Finger | RICHIH IS THE MAN! |
| 11:13.10 | caphuso | RichiH: kernel-image-2.6-k7 isn't a new package |
| 11:13.31 | RichiH | Stinky_Finger: yah, no problem, it's only lsof :p |
| 11:13.31 | The_Vulture | so if there's a package in sarge, it may still need to be fixed, requiring a sarge-compatible version to be in sid to be updated, etc.. |
| 11:13.40 | The_Vulture | once sarge releases I suppose it could/will change |
| 11:14.04 | Stinky_Finger | only lsof just got my music back on =D |
| 11:14.05 | chrysopa | But top dont summarise it for best visualization. |
| 11:14.06 | POVaddct | ElllisD: http://www.linksys.com/support/support.asp?spid=25 |
| 11:14.29 | chrysopa | or summarise? |
| 11:14.31 | Stinky_Finger | I was tryin all kinds of random crap and it didn't do squat |
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| 11:15.09 | RichiH | The_Vulture: guess you are right :) |
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| 11:17.04 | Stinky_Finger | ahh only in linux can playing music give you a sense of accomplishment |
| 11:17.53 | POVaddct | Stinky_Finger: which process was locking the /dev/dsp device? |
| 11:18.21 | ElllisD | wow POVaddct thanks- i never saw that one.... |
| 11:18.45 | POVaddct | ElllisD: i just googled |
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| 11:19.01 | abrocadabro | hi, whats' the equvilent file in debian as rc.local in redhat? or the startup file in other words |
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| 11:19.44 | ElllisD | ok, so if tulip's the one then why wont debian see my other network card? |
| 11:19.57 | POVaddct | ElllisD: i don't think you need the driver source from the linksys page. a recent kernel's tulip module should work |
| 11:20.05 | tct_linux | I have 2 computers that share a dialup connection, when the second computer running linux boots DHCP assigns it an address that I dont want because of firewall issues, is this common to DHCP or just to my xpbox DHCP server? |
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| 11:20.23 | ElllisD | i wound up having to switch the cat5 over to the nc100 to get the install files off the net.... |
| 11:20.30 | POVaddct | ElllisD: maybe there are several hw revisions of this card |
| 11:20.46 | mejo | i did: fakeroot make-kpkg clean; fakeroot make-kpkg --revision resivo.4 --append-to-version -i386 --added-patches skas clean; fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision resivo.4 --append-to-version -i386 --added-patches skas kernel_image |
| 11:20.47 | ElllisD | right, the nc100 worked using the tulip driver included in the install floppies |
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| 11:20.54 | mejo | anway, make-kpkg fails with: |
| 11:20.59 | mejo | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9-i386, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-i386-skas3-v7 |
| 11:21.03 | mejo | make[1]: *** [real_stamp_image] Error 1 |
| 11:21.21 | POVaddct | ElllisD: yeah, maybe the tulip module in 2.4.18 is not recent enough |
| 11:21.24 | ElllisD | either way, i have one of them working, i guess ill figure out the details on the other one once i get debian up at least |
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| 11:21.39 | ElllisD | right---it might want the updated one, huh |
| 11:21.50 | mejo | that's exactly what make-kpkg docs tell me to do. |
| 11:21.55 | mejo | !make-kpkg |
| 11:21.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg -i kernel-image*.deb |
| 11:22.02 | abrocadabro | tct_linux: you can either work around it by specifying a lease time or put MAC address in the ACL |
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| 11:22.27 | ElllisD | oh, i just saw how to use the ! thing someone was telling me about |
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| 11:23.32 | mejo | where is my mistake? even if i change the changelog file to '2.6.9-i386-skas3-v7', it failes with: |
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| 11:23.35 | tct_linux | "MAC address in the ACL" |
| 11:23.36 | abrocadabro | where can i put "tpb -d" so it starts when the system boots up |
| 11:23.47 | mejo | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.9-i386-skas3-v7, but I thought the version is 2.6.9-i386-skas3-v7-skas3-v7 |
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| 11:24.10 | mejo | this is a bug in kernel-package, isn't it? |
| 11:24.24 | abrocadabro | tct_linux: the ethernet address, the machine hardware address, in access control list, |
| 11:24.52 | tct_linux | ok |
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| 11:25.35 | POVaddct | ElllisD: http://ladybug.vlug.org/pipermail/discuss/2002-January/016291.html |
| 11:25.58 | b_52globemaster2 | http://blackrhino.xrhino.com/main.php?page=faq |
| 11:26.01 | POVaddct | ElllisD: seems f*cking linksys sells different card under the same name... |
| 11:26.05 | tct_linux | right now it has 192.168.0.221 when I need it to be 192.168.0.199 so my firewall will allow trafic from it |
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| 11:26.43 | abrocadabro | tct_linux, which box has the firewall installed? |
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| 11:27.07 | amorphix | anyone seen greycat |
| 11:27.09 | tct_linux | the xp box |
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| 11:27.28 | RichiH | !seen greycat |
| 11:27.30 | dpkg | greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14h 4m 26s ago, saying: 'so it's not *saving* that you're looking to do, but rather *converting*?'. |
| 11:27.35 | abrocadabro | tct_linux: what firewall program are you using? |
| 11:27.38 | amorphix | thanks RichiH, im a bit lazy today |
| 11:27.39 | tct_linux | the second computer dualboots with linux and win98 |
| 11:27.40 | maestro[] | zamolxes: Check lockvc |
| 11:27.53 | tct_linux | zonealarm free |
| 11:27.54 | maestro[] | zamolxes: Or vlock, but I'm not sure whether there is a timer built-in |
| 11:28.01 | RichiH | amorphix: "anyone " is more typing than "!" |
| 11:28.02 | tct_linux | and windows firewall |
| 11:28.15 | maestro[] | ElllisD: It's the tulip driver |
| 11:28.24 | maestro[] | ElllisD: And I know that linksys has quite precise documention about how to set up their cards under linux |
| 11:28.34 | amorphix | RichiH yeah but ! requires more thought |
| 11:28.43 | tct_linux | I wish I could tell xp to give the linux box the same ip all the time |
| 11:29.14 | abrocadabro | then you can ifconfig eth0, assume that's you card in linux, and get the HWaddr then put it in xp zonealarm |
| 11:29.18 | RichiH | amorphix: hardly :p |
| 11:29.21 | amorphix | :P |
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