| 00:00.07 | bullet | sussudio, yes i am. and it is a debian confirmed bug.. and in the entry they say the only way to fix it is to get gtkhtml 1.1 :\ because there is a bug in previous versions which screws up your invoices. |
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| 00:00.21 | sussudio | bullet: wow, another cluebie running sid. what a surprise. |
| 00:00.30 | Wyzard | misfitx7: The usual cause for that is leaving out the drivers needed to mount the root filesystem, but since you used a prebuilt kernel, those drivers should be provided in the form of modules that get loaded by the initrd |
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| 00:00.40 | Wyzard | misfitx7: Maybe you forgot to configure your bootloader to load the initrd? |
| 00:01.14 | bullet | sussudio, just because i didn't recognize your acronym immediately doesn't make me clueless, you shouldn't assume. i am guessing bts is bug tracking system |
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| 00:01.29 | bullet | insults are not productive. |
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| 00:01.52 | misfitx7 | im using yaboot |
| 00:01.54 | sussudio | !tell bullet about sid faq |
| 00:02.17 | The_Vulture | bullet: if you are using sid without knowing what the bts is, and using it - you deserve to be insulted, a lot.. |
| 00:02.20 | florg | Wyzard: mh, the prob is, that i already have closed dselect and evertime i want install sth., dselect wants to install a lot of stuff i don't want... |
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| 00:02.35 | The_Vulture | that's the way it is, it's just a protection mechanism so we don't waste so much time on fools |
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| 00:02.49 | Wyzard | misfitx7: If the previous kernel wasn't using an initrd, then the bootloader probably isn't configured to load one... you'll need to boot your old kernel and edit your yaboot config |
| 00:02.51 | Narg | afk for a sec |
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| 00:03.26 | misfitx7 | what else do i need to include in the config? |
| 00:03.33 | Wyzard | florg: In that case you're stuck making the changes manually... it doesn't retain your previous selection state after you save changes and quit |
| 00:03.37 | bullet | The_Vulture, thats just rude. and as i stated before, i already found the bug in the BTS i just didn't immediately recognize the acronym. i was asking if there was a place i could obtain it, because it was apparently in the apt repository previously |
| 00:03.51 | Wyzard | misfitx7: There's a file in /boot called "initrd.img" which the bootloader needs to load |
| 00:04.01 | Wyzard | misfitx7: (I'm assuming this works the same on PPC as on x86...) |
| 00:04.07 | simonrvn | Wyzard: yes |
| 00:04.21 | Bugalugs | wyzard i got a gtk theme as an gtkrc file but i dont know where to put it |
| 00:04.29 | simonrvn | often it's the same options |
| 00:04.31 | Wyzard | misfitx7: How to make yaboot load it is something you'll have to look up in the docs, because I only know LILO and GRUB |
| 00:04.31 | Bugalugs | i looke din the gtk theme tutorial but doesnt say :( |
| 00:04.44 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: ~/.themes |
| 00:04.48 | misfitx7 | ok |
| 00:04.55 | Bugalugs | oh ok can i have directories in there? |
| 00:05.11 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: Yes, put the whole theme directory in there |
| 00:05.15 | simonrvn | misfitx7: initrd=/initrd.img under the image= thing in yaboot.conf. then run ybin -v. put that initrd= thing in both image= entries |
| 00:05.37 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: so you have ~/.themes/ThemeName/gtk-2.0/gtkrc |
| 00:06.24 | Bugalugs | i do that but in the gnome theme list it isnt there |
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| 00:06.45 | Wyzard | You probably need to restart gnome, though if you have fam installed, it should notice the change right away |
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| 00:07.19 | Wyzard | Note that the "GNOME theme list" shows metathemes, which are particular combinations of (GTK, Metacity, icon) themes |
| 00:07.25 | Bugalugs | ok |
| 00:07.31 | Bugalugs | i installing fam |
| 00:07.39 | Wyzard | You'll need to click the details button to be able to select a GTK theme individually |
| 00:07.58 | Bugalugs | ah its there :) |
| 00:07.58 | Wyzard | (It's the "controls" tab) |
| 00:08.00 | Bugalugs | thanks mate |
| 00:08.03 | Wyzard | np |
| 00:08.14 | Bugalugs | ew it looks bad when i set it |
| 00:08.19 | Bugalugs | the screenshot looked better |
| 00:08.31 | Wyzard | hehe... that's often the case :-) |
| 00:08.45 | Wyzard | Keep in mind that the screenshot was posed-for... nothing open except the stuff that looks good |
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| 00:09.10 | Bugalugs | what im looking at is the gnome art site so they only have a screenshot of some testing app |
| 00:09.13 | Bugalugs | with a few controls |
| 00:09.18 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 00:09.23 | Wyzard | yeah, it's hard to tell from those little things |
| 00:09.30 | Bugalugs | when it gets applied to panel etc it looks borked |
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| 00:09.47 | Wyzard | I use those to decide what looks promising, and then load the theme on my own system to see how it actually looks |
| 00:09.51 | rpetre | hi |
| 00:09.57 | Bugalugs | yea |
| 00:10.08 | Bugalugs | i tried one that was very white i should try one abit darker |
| 00:10.12 | Wyzard | Currently I'm using the "Office" GTK theme and the "XFWM4" Metacity theme |
| 00:10.18 | rpetre | does someone know what's the minimum ram requirement for woody install? |
| 00:10.22 | Bugalugs | ill have a look at office i have a link to it |
| 00:11.04 | Wyzard | I used to use Snowdream -- that's what was in the screenshot I sent you earlier |
| 00:11.07 | tux | rpetre: i think 16mb are enough |
| 00:11.14 | Wyzard | Office is very similar, but it has gradient buttons |
| 00:11.14 | Bugalugs | ok |
| 00:11.29 | Wyzard | and the colors are slightly lighter |
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| 00:13.35 | katabroc | hey guys, everytime I change users, my resolv.conf resets to search dummy.net and my nameserver gets 0.0.0.0 what can I do to stop this? |
| 00:13.46 | Bugalugs | hmm this office is too bright |
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| 00:13.50 | Bugalugs | i need a darker one |
| 00:14.01 | herbi | how can i get dpkg to list all the packages i have installed? |
| 00:14.20 | streuner | herbi: man dpkg |
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| 00:15.09 | Wyzard | Gorilla looks nice, though I don't like its default icons and nothing else seems to match with it |
| 00:15.45 | jbr | katabroc: what do you mean by "change users"? |
| 00:15.47 | Bugalugs | hey wyzard you know how you have an "install theme" button.. |
| 00:15.48 | herbi | streuner, them manpage just lists the query commands |
| 00:15.52 | Bugalugs | what do you loa dnto that? |
| 00:15.53 | herbi | not how i can list all the stuff |
| 00:15.56 | Bugalugs | a gtkrc file or? |
| 00:16.06 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: All that does is unzip things into ~/.themes |
| 00:16.11 | Bugalugs | ok |
| 00:16.13 | katabroc | jbr, when I get root, and then come back to normal user |
| 00:16.14 | herbi | nevermind |
| 00:16.15 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: Just feed it the tar.gz you get from art.gnome.org |
| 00:16.21 | katabroc | jbr, and when my pc boots |
| 00:16.25 | Bugalugs | ok cool ive been just doin it manually |
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| 00:16.28 | herbi | no hang on that doesnt do what i want |
| 00:16.29 | katabroc | jbr, and when I run dhclient |
| 00:16.33 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: Also, not that icon themes go in ~/.icons -- the "install theme" button gets that wrong, unless they've fixed it in GNOME 2.8 |
| 00:16.43 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: You might want to install the "gnome-themes-extras" package btw |
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| 00:16.52 | Wyzard | s/not/note/ |
| 00:16.54 | Bugalugs | ok ill have a look what does it fo? |
| 00:16.54 | herbi | streuner, dpkg -S all or dpkg -L all doesnt do what i want. |
| 00:17.03 | underdog | Guys, is there a way to install debian without the boot cd? I downloaded the net install iso, and I have another linux boot cd, so can I mount it? |
| 00:17.04 | streuner | herbi: *hint* -l *hint* |
| 00:17.15 | mehim | yup |
| 00:17.17 | herbi | ta |
| 00:17.18 | jbr | katabroc: you're saying running "su" and "exit" mangles your resolv.conf? |
| 00:17.39 | Wyzard | underdog: You could loop-mount the iso and then chroot to it |
| 00:17.40 | mehim | underdog: Mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop agent /mnt/test/ that'll do it i think |
| 00:17.46 | herbi | streuner, uh that doesnt list all the packages i have installed. |
| 00:17.57 | underdog | mehim, and will that do to install debian? |
| 00:18.00 | underdog | i mean, will it work? |
| 00:18.07 | streuner | herbi: magic? |
| 00:18.20 | streuner | herbi: dpkg -l won't show you? |
| 00:18.25 | mehim | uh? dunno.. |
| 00:18.25 | kombi | 'not a valid block device' when mounting, did I set the file system wrong? |
| 00:18.30 | herbi | streuner, i did dpkg -l | grep exim and it returned 3 packages, none of which i have installed. |
| 00:18.35 | mehim | i just know you can mount it :) |
| 00:18.37 | kombi | ext3.. |
| 00:18.41 | katabroc | jbr, yes |
| 00:19.05 | underdog | mehim, but if I chroot it, it'll work, right? |
| 00:19.24 | streuner | herbi: so you have postfix installed? ;-) |
| 00:19.26 | katabroc | it gets back to search dummy.net and nameserver 0.0.0.0, everytime I reboot, everytime I change user, and everytime I run dhclient |
| 00:19.35 | kombi | AFAIK a disk on secondary master should be hdb2, no? |
| 00:19.36 | Bugalugs | Wyzard, i found a theme i like in that package |
| 00:19.40 | katabroc | jbr, it gets back to search dummy.net and nameserver 0.0.0.0, everytime I reboot, everytime I change user, and everytime I run dhclient |
| 00:19.43 | herbi | streuner, no? |
| 00:19.46 | Bugalugs | the industrial one with crux window border :) |
| 00:19.48 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: cool |
| 00:19.50 | kombi | why can't I mount the bugger.. |
| 00:19.54 | herbi | so there is no way of listing all the packages one has installed |
| 00:20.03 | Wyzard | kombi: hdb2 is a partition, not a disk |
| 00:20.06 | mehim | like I said I dunno about the install never thought about it.. I know you can mount an image just like a cd. |
| 00:20.11 | streuner | herbi: dpkg -l - i told you |
| 00:20.38 | kombi | Wyzard: true!! |
| 00:20.56 | herbi | streuner, if dpkg -l | grep somepackage returns a package i dont have installed, how is it possible that it returns the packages i have installed? |
| 00:21.02 | kombi | so secondary master would be hdd.. |
| 00:21.09 | Wyzard | hdc |
| 00:21.10 | simonrvn | herbi: man dpkg, /selections |
| 00:21.14 | Wyzard | hdd is secondary slave |
| 00:21.23 | mehim | underdog: you got a second drive? |
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| 00:21.30 | kombi | thx! |
| 00:21.32 | underdog | mehim, I have a partitioned drive, yes |
| 00:21.37 | underdog | so I can have the iso file on another drive |
| 00:21.41 | underdog | and I have slack boot cd's |
| 00:21.48 | underdog | so I can boot into a linux system and mount it |
| 00:21.56 | underdog | i'll try that approach |
| 00:22.03 | mehim | sure i suppose just don't overwrite your mbr |
| 00:22.06 | herbi | simonm, i am already there. |
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| 00:22.11 | katabroc | jbr, have any ideas? |
| 00:22.12 | kombi | still that thing is complaining |
| 00:22.55 | jbr | katabroc: if "su ; exit" mangles files, something's very wrong. Malicious /root/.bashrc? |
| 00:22.58 | herbi | simonrvn, i dont think we are looking at the same manpage :/ |
| 00:23.17 | twirl | I installed openssl, but I still cant use the following : #include <openssl/ssl.h>#include <openssl/err.h> #include <openssl/rand.h> |
| 00:23.26 | underdog | well |
| 00:23.28 | underdog | i'll brb then |
| 00:23.30 | mehim | honestly i don't know how the install will go i don't know enough about mounted partitions |
| 00:23.35 | Wyzard | twirl: apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 00:23.40 | simonrvn | dpkg --get-selections [pattern...] |
| 00:23.40 | dpkg | simonrvn: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 00:23.41 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.42 | jbr | katabroc: otherwise, no idea - I don't use dhcp myself |
| 00:23.48 | simonrvn | dpkg --set-selections |
| 00:23.49 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, simonrvn |
| 00:23.50 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.00 | Invisible_Optiks | Is Gnome 2.8 hitting the debian mirrors anytime soon? |
| 00:24.01 | simonrvn | oh i think we are |
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| 00:24.15 | Wyzard | twirl: Library packages in Debian contain only the shared library for running programs that are already compiled... there's a corresponding "-dev" package which contains the headers for compiling new programs |
| 00:24.18 | katabroc | jbr, I read that there's a script that runs everytime u change user, and I think it does reset the resolv.conf file |
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| 00:24.20 | streuner | Invisible_Optiks: its in sid now |
| 00:24.34 | trappist | how do I go about getting nvidia drivers installed? they complain that the kernel has rivafb support turned on |
| 00:24.34 | herbi | simonrvn, thats slightly better than dpkg -l because it at least says which ones are installed and which ones arent |
| 00:24.34 | twirl | Wyzard: thanks |
| 00:24.52 | simonrvn | herbi: and you can grep the output |
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| 00:25.05 | simonrvn | or do whatever to it |
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| 00:25.13 | Bugalugs | hey wyzard how can i turn desktop icons off in gnome? |
| 00:25.26 | Bugalugs | i prefer to use the panel for launchers |
| 00:25.40 | streuner | herbi: wrong, 'dpkg -l and grep that would give you the installed packages |
| 00:25.45 | trappist | is there a kernel and kernel-source combo I should install to use the nvidia drivers? |
| 00:25.48 | simonrvn | like parse it through awk, get the first field, and then make a neat little stats text for yourself, or what-the-fuck-ever |
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| 00:26.18 | herbi | streuner, no it doesnt. |
| 00:26.19 | herbi | look |
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| 00:26.27 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: To turn off "Computer", "(your) Home", and "Trash", you'd need to install gconf-editor... there are settings in there somewhere for those things |
| 00:26.28 | herbi | gangreen:/var/log# dpkg -l | grep exim |
| 00:26.28 | herbi | rc exim 3.36-9.1 An MTA (Mail Transport Agent) |
| 00:26.28 | herbi | rc exim4-base 4.30-8 EXperimental Internal Mailer -- a Mail Trans |
| 00:26.28 | herbi | rc exim4-config 4.30-8 Debian configuration for exim4 |
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| 00:26.30 | Bugalugs | the incredibles = fuckin awesome movie |
| 00:26.45 | trappist | please? I know somebody here knows how to install the nvidia drivers |
| 00:26.48 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: They're not exposed in any configuration dialogs because people don't normally turn them off |
| 00:26.50 | herbi | when i do apt-get remove exim exim4-base exim4-config it says none of them are installed. |
| 00:26.56 | Bugalugs | oh ok |
| 00:27.03 | streuner | herbi: you didn't pay attention what simonrvn already told you |
| 00:27.04 | herbi | streuner, so clearly, not. |
| 00:27.04 | Poncha | "warning: Using 'gethostbyaddr' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking" - what should i do to make compilation and linkage include those needed libs in (statically) ? |
| 00:27.04 | simonrvn | streuner: dpkg -l | grep '^.i' would ;) |
| 00:27.08 | Bugalugs | wyzard ill install that extra conf app |
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| 00:27.23 | mind | herbi: 'cause rc stands for configuration files |
| 00:27.26 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: They're not really meant for launching programs |
| 00:27.35 | Bugalugs | ? |
| 00:27.36 | streuner | herbi: /msg dpkg purge them all |
| 00:27.39 | Bugalugs | what do you mean? |
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| 00:27.46 | herbi | mind, so it hardly says what packages i have installed does it |
| 00:27.48 | simonrvn | herbi: rc means only conf files are left |
| 00:28.02 | simonrvn | herbi: se what i said to streuner |
| 00:28.05 | simonrvn | see |
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| 00:28.10 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 00:28.12 | kombi | Wyzard: Were you the bass player in Mother's Finest? |
| 00:28.18 | kombi | just kidding, |
| 00:28.28 | kombi | the guy called himself Wizzard.. |
| 00:28.39 | streuner | herbi: i told you before - read man dpkg - it explains what rc means |
| 00:28.50 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: The desktop icons are to give you a starting point for filesystem browsing... launching programs is normally done from the applications menu or from panel icons |
| 00:28.55 | Wyzard | kombi: hehe, nope, sorry |
| 00:29.16 | Bugalugs | oh ok but you can do that from the panel yeah? |
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| 00:29.24 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 00:29.38 | kombi | Wyzard: but here's something real, |
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| 00:29.47 | kombi | I can't get that damn disk mounted.. |
| 00:29.53 | trappist | is this thing even on? |
| 00:29.56 | mind | good night |
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| 00:30.00 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: But you can also save files to the desktop -- that's generally where I download things, and then I either delete them or move them somewhere more permanent |
| 00:30.15 | trappist | !tell trappist about nvidia |
| 00:30.26 | kombi | says wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock etc.. |
| 00:30.28 | Bugalugs | ok well i just removed trash etc and ive left desktop on so i can still save things |
| 00:30.29 | Bugalugs | :) |
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| 00:30.42 | kombi | how to go about it? |
| 00:30.54 | Wyzard | kombi: What device are you trying to mount? |
| 00:30.57 | kombi | hdd |
| 00:31.10 | kombi | disk that didn't boot anymore |
| 00:31.23 | kombi | because of running lilo in funny ways |
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| 00:31.30 | Wyzard | kombi: hdd is a whole disk, not a partition... you almost certainly want to mount a partition, such as hdd1 or hdd2 |
| 00:31.44 | kombi | yough! |
| 00:32.16 | LaaLaa | I need to configure my netcard and my network place? What do I have to do? ( Sorry for such general question, but I really don't understand what to do in this case at all :( |
| 00:32.41 | kombi | Wyzard: That was it! (havn't done much mounting lately..) |
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| 00:33.13 | Cray | debiannnnnnnnn ROoooooooocks!!! |
| 00:33.29 | kombi | it does, does it not? |
| 00:33.36 | herbi | can i safetly delete my /var/log/wtmp ? |
| 00:33.49 | simonrvn | herbi: um, why do you want to do that? |
| 00:33.52 | herbi | its 30M, ive been naughty and didnt put it on a rotation |
| 00:33.55 | twirl | perl is installed, but the script is giving me : cannot find -lperl |
| 00:33.59 | herbi | which im going to do now |
| 00:34.14 | simonrvn | herbi: so put it on rotation again, and wait for cron.daily |
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| 00:34.28 | Cray | To all users of any other posix operating system, let's show our support by downloading and burning the debian installation CD, then typing (as root) rm -rf / and rebooting with the installation CD in your drive! lets see who can do it first! get started! |
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| 00:34.51 | jbr | herbi: it should be rotated by default by /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 00:35.09 | Deuce868 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.29 | simonrvn | Cray: please don't |
| 00:35.33 | herbi | jbr, hmm looks like youre right, but it isnt |
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| 00:36.30 | herbi | hmm for some reason cron isnt running. |
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| 00:37.05 | kombi | can you copy all users to a new system by cp passwd and shadow? |
| 00:37.22 | Ghostbuster | well give it some legs lol |
| 00:37.26 | Wyzard | kombi: Copy group and gshadow too, and their home directories... |
| 00:37.33 | herbi | ta simonrvn |
| 00:37.43 | kombi | will do! |
| 00:37.45 | Wyzard | kombi: and /var/mail if there's anything in there |
| 00:37.59 | Compound-4 | Hi all |
| 00:38.00 | kombi | Wyzard: plenty actually.. |
| 00:38.16 | jbr | kombi: oh, and don't forget their crontabs... |
| 00:38.21 | Wyzard | kombi: Make sure you use "-p" (or "-a") when copying |
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| 00:38.45 | kombi | Wyzard: good one too! doing a little surgery on a live patient here.. |
| 00:38.59 | Cray | can anyone suggest a good debian-kde mail client? is kmail sufficient? |
| 00:39.20 | kombi | true... |
| 00:39.22 | Cray | wyzard: we can only hope |
| 00:39.24 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:39.30 | kombi | but under narcotics though.. |
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| 00:39.56 | kombi | actually this mail and name server just busted.. |
| 00:40.11 | kombi | and I have the pleasure to pick up the pieces |
| 00:40.25 | Cray | have fun |
| 00:40.31 | kombi | thx.. |
| 00:40.36 | Cray | remember, we have a LART you can use on your computer if you want |
| 00:40.46 | Cray | !lart |
| 00:40.53 | kombi | what's that? |
| 00:40.59 | Cray | !lart kombi |
| 00:41.04 | Cray | !lart kombi |
| 00:41.10 | Cray | a Lusar Attitude Readjustment Tool |
| 00:41.16 | kombi | judo, kewl! |
| 00:41.18 | Cray | a Lusar Attitude Readjustment Tool |
| 00:41.20 | Cray | oops |
| 00:41.24 | Cray | sorry 'bout the repeat |
| 00:41.26 | Wyzard | Judo chop? |
| 00:41.30 | Wyzard | I thought judo was mostly throws... |
| 00:41.32 | kombi | got it, hehe |
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| 00:42.00 | ravenbird | ROOOOOOT has landed! |
| 00:42.11 | kombi | helps against admin safety attention deficit disorder |
| 00:42.17 | nevyn | ~tell underdog about root |
| 00:42.21 | siimo | how do i set JAVA_HOME permanantly? do i put export JAVA_HOME=/blah/blah to ~/.bashrc? |
| 00:42.31 | Cray | is there a way to get a list of all supported dpkg commands? |
| 00:42.40 | Wyzard | Cray: man dpkg |
| 00:43.08 | Wyzard | underdog: Ask in the channel, not by /msg |
| 00:43.12 | twirl | anyone here installed courier before ? |
| 00:43.20 | Wyzard | underdog: That way more than just one person can help you |
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| 00:43.55 | magoseitor | hi |
| 00:44.00 | Poncha | is there a way to force execution of file that has no +x ? (i am root) |
| 00:44.01 | Tirlas | 'lo |
| 00:44.27 | Kraig | Poncha: why not just chmod it? |
| 00:44.32 | Poncha | ah, forgot to mention... need to force *tcsh* t do it , and have nothing but tcsh builtins in hand :) |
| 00:44.33 | Kraig | brb |
| 00:44.57 | jbr | Poncha: if it's a shell script, you can source it without +x |
| 00:45.00 | Poncha | Kraig, ^^ there goes the reason.. |
| 00:45.05 | Cray | can anyone suggest a good debian-kde mail client? is kmail sufficient? |
| 00:45.07 | Poncha | jbr, no, it's an exec |
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| 00:45.09 | magoseitor | GUYS: will it be possible to install Debian woody with X and XFCE4 on a 486 100mhz with 24Mb RAM and 100Mb Swap???????? |
| 00:45.21 | Cray | i mean the dpkg in the channel, wyzard. not the _real_ dpkg |
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| 00:45.38 | Cray | magoseitor: why on earth would you want to??!?!? |
| 00:45.41 | Wyzard | Cray: ah, ok -- sorry :-) |
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| 00:45.53 | magoseitor | want what?? |
| 00:45.54 | nevyn | Cray: listkeys foo is really handy |
| 00:46.23 | Narg | mwhahah... the thing Ive been working to download is a package :) |
| 00:46.27 | Narg | (back from afk btw ;P) |
| 00:46.36 | nevyn | underdog: you can't speak in channel until you log on as a user other than root. |
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| 00:46.55 | Wyzard | nevyn: hard to do when running from a rescue CD that has no other users |
| 00:47.06 | Wyzard | nevyn: seems like a stupid rule to me :-) |
| 00:47.20 | nevyn | Wyzard: rescue cd's should have other users. |
| 00:47.27 | nevyn | if they provide internet access. |
| 00:47.30 | magoseitor | GUYS: will it be possible to install Debian woody with X and XFCE4 on a 486 100mhz with 24Mb RAM and 100Mb Swap???????? |
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| 00:47.48 | node3667 | magoseitor: mmmmh |
| 00:47.52 | nevyn | magoseitor: one questionmakr is sufficient. |
| 00:47.52 | Wyzard | nevyn: Maybe so, but preventing people who use those CDs from getting help in fixing their systems is unproductive |
| 00:47.52 | Yabden | it would be possible, how pleasent it would be is a different story |
| 00:47.55 | node3667 | magoseitor: you could try |
| 00:48.03 | jbr | magoseitor: probably installable (I've got one much grottier upgraded slink->woody)... but xfce4? |
| 00:48.07 | nevyn | magoseitor: and it's possible. |
| 00:48.30 | Poncha | jbr, so... any ideas ? :) |
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| 00:48.36 | node3667 | magoseitor: i tried X on a 386 sx 25, 4 megs of ram |
| 00:48.41 | nevyn | magoseitor: I recently did a 266mhz pentium 166 with 48meg and it was reasonably plesent. |
| 00:48.45 | nvz | magoseitor: WOUOLD ITT BEE POSSIBLE for you to STFU? |
| 00:48.49 | nevyn | not 266 166 |
| 00:48.57 | zbowling | aptagator |
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| 00:49.06 | magoseitor | o got no hopes for KDE on a 486 100mhz with 24 ram |
| 00:49.18 | magoseitor | nvz---> i have already STFW |
| 00:49.20 | trappist | is there a package available for mosfet's liquid theme for kde3? |
| 00:49.28 | zbowling | apt-get-ster |
| 00:49.35 | nevyn | magoseitor: like most thing the real problem is the 24meg of ram. |
| 00:49.41 | dondelelcaro | trappist: probably not. |
| 00:49.45 | trappist | odd |
| 00:49.50 | trappist | why probably not? |
| 00:49.54 | magoseitor | yep nevyn |
| 00:49.58 | nevyn | for desktop use you really want a minimum of 32meg and preferably 64+ |
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| 00:50.06 | rich_ | hello |
| 00:50.24 | magoseitor | the TOTAL memory window managers demand is PHYSICAL or PHYSICAL + SWAP ???? |
| 00:50.24 | dondelelcaro | trappist: because I don't see it in an apt-cache search. There are a few themes packaged, but since there are a few thousand of the things, a lot of them aren't. |
| 00:50.25 | node3667 | nevyn: you mean you can work with less than 1g of ram ? |
| 00:50.27 | node3667 | ;-) |
| 00:50.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell trappist about search |
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| 00:50.53 | Poncha | magoseitor, can you please stop using numerious questionmarks ? |
| 00:51.04 | bd2 | fse |
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| 00:51.13 | magoseitor | ok |
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| 00:51.15 | Poncha | *numerous |
| 00:51.18 | Poncha | thanks |
| 00:51.31 | trappist | dondelelcaro: yeah I tried apt-cache search and didn't see anything - one of the reasons I (just today) went to debian is what I hear about the insane number of available packages - as popular as mosfet's liquid is, I'm surprised to not find it |
| 00:51.32 | nevyn | magoseitor: one question mark is sufficient. |
| 00:51.46 | bbrazil | magoseitor: I've done debian on a 486-100Mhz with 16Mb. You won't be using X unless its extremely light |
| 00:51.47 | zbowling | nAPing-TarGET |
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| 00:51.52 | nevyn | magoseitor: if you're hitting swap in normal use.. you REALLY know about it. |
| 00:52.13 | kombi | in those judo throws, is there a quick way to make sendmail compile with sasl from the deb packages? |
| 00:52.19 | nevyn | bbrazil: and schedule a day for a dist-upgrade |
| 00:52.28 | Servo888 | Oh yes - I've been unbanned from freenode. lol guess that'll teach that some channels arn't what they may seem. |
| 00:52.30 | zbowling | fAP-TarGET |
| 00:52.34 | nevyn | where you pretty much can't use your machine... |
| 00:52.42 | dondelelcaro | trappist: there are some themes packaged, but not all of them. And there are usually more usefull things to package than themes, anyway. |
| 00:52.42 | magoseitor | sorry nevyn but didn't got your point, english isn't my native languaje |
| 00:52.50 | dondelelcaro | trappist: it's on the same level as packaging background images. |
| 00:52.50 | kombi | which of the many sasl2 packages are actually needed I wonder.. |
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| 00:53.19 | magoseitor | by far, my gentoo has almost NEVER used the swap.. |
| 00:53.23 | underdog | guys, if I run a linux recovery cd and need to run the debian installation what commands do I have to do_ |
| 00:53.30 | magoseitor | and i have made some duty task at the same time all |
| 00:53.31 | dondelelcaro | trappist: but anyway, if you really think it should be in Debian, you can always file a RFP bug. |
| 00:53.33 | bbrazil | nevyn: actually that system is dead. the 486-66 still works though. It will never run anything beyond woody |
| 00:53.41 | kombi | Wyzard? Cray? |
| 00:53.42 | underdog | i mounted the installation image already, i just need to know how to start the installation program |
| 00:53.45 | dondelelcaro | magoseitor: if you never use swap, then you're not using your system very much. |
| 00:53.45 | trappist | dondelelcaro: google turned up some obscure apt repositories that seem to give me what I want - but this theme gets pretty deep into the guts of kde, adding support for transparency etc., so it's not quite like a background image |
| 00:54.01 | dondelelcaro | trappist: *shrug* |
| 00:54.13 | zbowling | alias pat-egt apt-get - dislesic |
| 00:54.18 | nevyn | bbrazil: which means when sarge ships. it's not going to get security updates. |
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| 00:54.42 | magoseitor | dondelelcaro---> yes, i've got 512 and the normal ussage is between 315-508 |
| 00:54.44 | dondelelcaro | bbrazil: not true... |
| 00:54.57 | dondelelcaro | magoseitor: um, I've got 1G, and even I use swap. |
| 00:55.03 | kombi | anyone here know his way around sasl? |
| 00:55.15 | bbrazil | nevyn: its sitting in the middle in a pile of other old debian systems, turned off. If I ever use it again it will be on a closed network |
| 00:55.24 | magoseitor | i just tell you... |
| 00:55.31 | dondelelcaro | magoseitor: not like it's suprising either, unless you don't have long living processes that don't do anything for hours at a time. |
| 00:55.31 | bbrazil | dondelelcaro: oh. thin client or something more? |
| 00:55.34 | magoseitor | want an recent screenshoot?? |
| 00:55.41 | Servo888 | Anybody know if there's some sort of multimedia application out for Linux - Sort of like mythtv but more based in audio, and video? |
| 00:55.54 | kombi | ok, rather install from source then |
| 00:56.03 | dondelelcaro | bbrazil: you may not be able to get apt-get to run on the thing unless you have more memory, but you can always nfs mount the root and install using a system with more ram. |
| 00:56.04 | nevyn | gentoo on a 486? |
| 00:56.25 | nevyn | dondelelcaro: that's nasty.. why didn't I think of it? ;) |
| 00:56.26 | dondelelcaro | bbrazil: alternatively, you can pare down your packages file so that it's actually parseable by apt and dpkg in the amount of ram that you have. |
| 00:56.37 | magoseitor | no...i'v got my gentoo on a P4 2.8 with 512............the 486 is from a friend |
| 00:56.49 | rich_ | Ive got half a gig of ram and the only time I use swap is when I load up my tmpfs. And when you use it that way, whether I can see it slowing down when it does need to create swap files (with swapd) depends on what size I make the swap files. |
| 00:56.53 | bbrazil | dondelelcaro: apt-get runs fine on a 486 with 16mb, with swap |
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| 00:57.14 | dondelelcaro | bbrazil: yeah, probably. |
| 00:57.15 | rich_ | 128 megs seems to be optimal |
| 00:57.23 | underdog | guys, if I run a linux recovery cd and need to run the debian installation what commands do I have to do_ |
| 00:57.24 | underdog | i mounted the installation image already, i just need to know how to start the installation program |
| 00:57.26 | gatewayvn | how to defrag ext3 partitions? |
| 00:57.40 | Cray | gatewayvn: man fsck ? |
| 00:57.47 | magoseitor | ext3 DON'T NEED DEFRAG |
| 00:57.51 | gatewayvn | Cray: thanks |
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| 00:58.37 | Cray | magoseitor: um, please, dont yell |
| 00:58.42 | malex|home | Is there a straightforward way to change the default printer in mozilla firefox? |
| 00:58.45 | magoseitor | sorry.... |
| 00:58.53 | magoseitor | caps went away... :-P |
| 00:58.58 | magoseitor | i never yell |
| 00:59.14 | rich_ | I heven't used a dedicated swap partition in years, only swapd. And my only stipulation is that it is designed for a system with not too many servers. |
| 00:59.29 | dondelelcaro | malex|home: unless you're using xprint, it should obey the PRINTER env variable. |
| 01:00.06 | magoseitor | bye |
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| 01:00.20 | veleno | how do i use rename to "rename" all files with html extension to php extension? |
| 01:00.35 | dondelelcaro | veleno: rename 's/html$/php/' *.html |
| 01:00.50 | dondelelcaro | veleno: man rename; perldoc perlretut; |
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| 01:02.42 | malex|home | dondelelcaro: xprt-xprintorg is installed. xp_ps_spooldir_HOME_Xprintjobs@:64 is the first entry, but it doesn't print, so I guess xprint is not working right. I have to manually select the last entry PostScript/mycupsprinter |
| 01:03.03 | dondelelcaro | malex|home: just remove xprt-xprintorg unless you're actually using it. |
| 01:03.07 | dondelelcaro | malex|home: xprint is total garbage. |
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| 01:03.34 | Cray | isnt cups better than xprint? |
| 01:03.47 | dondelelcaro | Cray: totally different problem spaces. |
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| 01:04.25 | Cray | i dont understand: problem spaces? i need to install a print manager myself, this is why i ask |
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| 01:04.51 | Sirus | hi, how can i make apache to run at startup? |
| 01:04.59 | rdancer | i want to recover a file that has been unlinked but still is mounted |
| 01:05.03 | dondelelcaro | Sirus: if you install it, it'll run at startup by default. |
| 01:05.16 | dondelelcaro | Cray: xprint is basically just for dealing with getting the file from the X app to some printer frontend. |
| 01:05.26 | Cray | oh |
| 01:05.27 | dondelelcaro | Cray: cups and lpr actually deal with getting the file from the box to the printer. |
| 01:05.36 | Sirus | i just did, but i have to run apache2 as root to run it |
| 01:05.38 | Cray | i see |
| 01:05.43 | rdancer | preferabily not by copying it, as it's ~650MB, and i don't have another 650MB free (at least not in one chunk) |
| 01:05.48 | malex|home | dondelelcaro: I wouldn't know why xprt was installed in the first place, since cups is working fine. I just deleted it. Thank you for a quick answer. |
| 01:05.49 | rdancer | oh |
| 01:05.57 | Cray | why is it so difficult to say Printer, print this() in linux? it seems awfully troublesome for so simple a task :( |
| 01:06.03 | rdancer | i could burn it in one chunk, though.. |
| 01:06.31 | dondelelcaro | Cray: it is just that simple. lpr foofile; you're done. |
| 01:06.32 | Wyzard | I thought xprt (and xprt-xprintorg) dealt with generating print jobs in a device-independent fashion, and not with actually sending the resulting jobs to a printer? |
| 01:06.47 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: pretty much |
| 01:07.08 | veleno | dondelelcaro: thanks. i checked rename man page. |
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| 01:07.12 | dondelelcaro | Cray: the complex part is getting the printer set up, but even that isn't all that difficult. |
| 01:07.13 | Wyzard | I don't know of any apps which actually use it though |
| 01:07.18 | Bugalugs | wyzard another desktop question heh does gnome have any transparency for right click menu etc? |
| 01:07.23 | Bugalugs | windows transparency etc |
| 01:07.30 | Cray | dondelelcaro: what if the printer is on a windows share? |
| 01:07.46 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: No, because X doesn't support it yet... that's part of why many people are looking forward to xorg entering Debian |
| 01:07.47 | dondelelcaro | Cray: cups can deal with that pretty trivially... you can get it to work with lprng as well. |
| 01:07.47 | malex|home | Hmm, now that I purged the xprt, firefox seems to think for a 1/2 minute before popping up the print dialog. It apparently is looking for xprt. Strange. |
| 01:07.56 | rdancer | is it possible to recover an unlinked file that's still mounted? |
| 01:08.03 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: you're not making any sense. |
| 01:08.25 | Bugalugs | wyzard: ok. is it definately going to be in debian at some point? |
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| 01:08.45 | Cray | dondelelcaro: if i reboot into linux will you help me to set it up? i have samba already working and stuff |
| 01:08.48 | rdancer | mount ~/foo.img ~/mnt; rm ~/foo.img <-- that's where i am now |
| 01:08.49 | dondelelcaro | Bugalugs: yes. most likely after sarge releases. |
| 01:08.55 | Bugalugs | cool |
| 01:08.56 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: sometime after sarge is released... /msg dpkg xorg |
| 01:08.58 | Bugalugs | i use sarge |
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| 01:09.17 | dondelelcaro | Cray: I don't work with cups... and I don't work with windows printers, either.... someone might be able to help though... and the cups frontend supposedly makes it easy. |
| 01:09.19 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: Well, it won't be in sarge |
| 01:09.27 | Bugalugs | ok |
| 01:09.33 | dondelelcaro | s/life/live/ |
| 01:09.38 | rdancer | now i would like to cdrecord ~/foo.img, but i can't obviously. if it was a regular process reading from the file, i would cat /proc/<pid>/fd/0; but with a mounted file? |
| 01:09.39 | Cray | those sound dangerous, real life printers and such |
| 01:09.44 | Bugalugs | i suppose i can live withut transparancy heh |
| 01:09.51 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: but it'll enter sid, and will be part of etch when that gets released in another year or so |
| 01:10.13 | Bugalugs | which one is sid? |
| 01:10.20 | rdancer | ok, i've got it |
| 01:10.20 | Bugalugs | sarge is unstable yes? |
| 01:10.26 | rdancer | thx anyway |
| 01:10.35 | Cray | what's the best kde compatible chat program? |
| 01:10.39 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: sid is "unstable"... it's where new packages go before they propagate to "testing" (which is currently sarge, and will be etch when sarge releases) |
| 01:10.48 | Bugalugs | ahh ok |
| 01:10.52 | dondelelcaro | Cray: gaim, or irssi-text |
| 01:11.04 | Bugalugs | and etch is? |
| 01:11.08 | dondelelcaro | !etch |
| 01:11.08 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 01:11.12 | AndreaKBG | irssi-text kde compatible? lol |
| 01:11.14 | Bugalugs | (i dont even know which caharctor etch is!_ |
| 01:11.15 | Bugalugs | ) |
| 01:11.15 | Cray | !dpkg |
| 01:11.15 | dpkg | hmm... dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 01:11.21 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: It's the etch-a-sketch :-) |
| 01:11.22 | dondelelcaro | Bugalugs: the etch-a-sketch |
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| 01:11.24 | Bugalugs | oh ok |
| 01:11.25 | Bugalugs | ahh! |
| 01:11.26 | gatewayvn | Bugalugs: sarge is testing, but it proved to be stable already, I've been using it for ages |
| 01:11.27 | Bugalugs | cool |
| 01:11.31 | Cray | !lart |
| 01:11.38 | Cray | !explain lart |
| 01:11.43 | dondelelcaro | AndreaKBG: well, it certianly isn't incompatible. |
| 01:11.54 | underdog | how can I start the debian installation without an actual physical CD? I have the iso mounted |
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| 01:12.11 | AndreaKBG | irssi-text is virtual console compatible, not kde or gnome compatible :D |
| 01:12.13 | dondelelcaro | underdog: use a floppy, a usb key, a tftpd... |
| 01:12.14 | paolo_ | Hi |
| 01:12.34 | paolo_ | I copied some .deb files in a cd rom |
| 01:12.37 | Cray | what makes tinyftp useful? why not just use ftp, fcol!? |
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| 01:12.54 | underdog | dondelelcaro, I don't have any clean cd's, no floppies, no other machine I can run tftpd from nor usb keys :( |
| 01:12.56 | AndreaKBG | paolo_: italiano? |
| 01:13.06 | dondelelcaro | underdog: well, then you're boned. |
| 01:13.08 | paolo_ | and i copied them to the /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:13.12 | underdog | i have another linux partition I can replace with the installation image |
| 01:13.30 | paolo_ | AndreaKBG: I'm from Guatemla |
| 01:13.33 | dondelelcaro | underdog: if you've got another linux partition, /msg dpkg debtakeover; or read about debootstrap |
| 01:13.33 | paolo_ | Guatemala |
| 01:13.37 | AndreaKBG | paolo_: ah, okey :D |
| 01:13.50 | AndreaKBG | paolo_: create a local mirror and install with apt |
| 01:13.51 | paolo_ | but I want that aptitude install those packages for me |
| 01:13.51 | dondelelcaro | !rube goldberg install |
| 01:13.51 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 01:14.04 | paolo_ | is anything else that I have to do before runiing aptitude |
| 01:14.05 | paolo_ | _ |
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| 01:14.06 | paolo_ | ? |
| 01:14.16 | dondelelcaro | paolo_: stop overusing enter, please. |
| 01:14.22 | AndreaKBG | paolo_: apt howto, section 2.2 |
| 01:14.31 | AndreaKBG | how to install .deb with apt |
| 01:14.34 | paolo_ | dondelelcaro: sorry |
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| 01:14.46 | paolo_ | i already know how to install .deb files |
| 01:14.57 | paolo_ | i want to do the insalattion proces with aptitude |
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| 01:15.14 | AndreaKBG | paolo_: if you add the local mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:15.26 | AndreaKBG | you can install the packages with aptitude |
| 01:15.28 | underdog | dondelelcaro, what does debtakeover do |
| 01:15.33 | dondelelcaro | !debtakeover |
| 01:15.33 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 01:16.18 | paolo_ | AndreaKBG: What should I put in the file /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 01:16.31 | AndreaKBG | paolo_: rtfm |
| 01:16.33 | underdog | thanks |
| 01:16.37 | AndreaKBG | apt-howto |
| 01:16.40 | AndreaKBG | section 2.2 |
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| 01:17.02 | kombi | is there something to repair dpkg? I uninstalled libssl0.9.7 and now apt-get halts with errors all the time.. |
| 01:17.16 | paolo_ | AndreaKBG: Thanks ! I'll look at it |
| 01:17.25 | kombi | complaining about group exim something.. |
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| 01:17.28 | AndreaKBG | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 01:17.30 | nvz | kombi: nope, you have to actually read the errors |
| 01:17.31 | AndreaKBG | look here |
| 01:17.36 | nvz | kombi: I know its tough |
| 01:17.38 | dondelelcaro | kombi: paste the output to #flood or use paster. |
| 01:17.45 | alka_trash | quickie question does "direct rendering" in glxinfo verify dga? |
| 01:17.46 | kombi | ok, |
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| 01:18.12 | rdancer | cdrecord /dev/loop0, fwiw |
| 01:18.21 | Cray | what does "use="fbdev"" or similar in XF86Config-4 do? |
| 01:18.27 | paolo_ | AndreaKBG: Thanks !! |
| 01:18.33 | AndreaKBG | de nada |
| 01:18.38 | kombi | nvz: syntax error: unkonwn group 'Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 01:18.56 | kombi | dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 01:18.56 | dpkg | kombi: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 01:19.18 | man_in_shack | segfaults all the time |
| 01:19.22 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I dont think your message got through |
| 01:19.41 | kombi | dpkg: throws the error i just told nvz |
| 01:19.42 | dpkg | kombi: i don't know |
| 01:19.51 | man_in_shack | /usr/bin/wine: line 471: 4957 Segmentation fault $WINEBIN/$WINE_BIN_NAME "$@" |
| 01:19.52 | man_in_shack | Wine failed with return code 139 |
| 01:19.52 | man_in_shack | Segmentation fault |
| 01:19.53 | Bugalugs | ive lost my gnome panel |
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| 01:20.30 | rich_ | man_in_shack I haven't used wine in a long time, but the obvious answer is use more legitimate libs and less libs supplied with wine |
| 01:20.43 | man_in_shack | rich_, how is that the obvious answer? |
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| 01:21.00 | Narg | The default configuration values could not be retrieved correctly. |
| 01:21.02 | Narg | Please check your GConf configuration, specifically that the schemas have been installed correctly. |
| 01:21.07 | Narg | How might I fix that error? |
| 01:21.13 | Narg | Come up when I try to boot GnomeMUD |
| 01:21.22 | rich_ | man_in_shack because the wine libs arent quite as good as the real windows libs :| |
| 01:21.44 | man_in_shack | rich_, but it shouldn't be segfaulting ... |
| 01:21.48 | rich_ | man_in_shack at least most of them, and I don't know which ones. You have to find out by trial and error |
| 01:23.08 | rich_ | man_in_shack wine tries tio copy the windows api, and when it uses it's own libs its not always completely successful |
| 01:23.09 | kombi | nvz / dpkg: silently waving good bye to the wonderful paket installer.. sigh |
| 01:23.19 | man_in_shack | hmm ... i got regidit to run |
| 01:23.22 | man_in_shack | *regedit |
| 01:23.48 | dondelelcaro | kombi: will you please actually paste the full and complete output from your apt-get run if you actually want our help to flood or using paster? |
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| 01:23.58 | rich_ | man_in_shack well its never completely successfull, but some of the libs are more buggy than others |
| 01:24.00 | kombi | ok ok.. |
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| 01:24.19 | diseaser | hey guys, I have a newb question.. I am the proxy for my friend using debian, and he's trying to install a .deb.. what is the command to do this? |
| 01:24.33 | nvz | diseaser: dpkg -i |
| 01:24.40 | man_in_shack | diseaser, dpkg -i |
| 01:24.40 | diseaser | nvz: like dpkg -i package.deb? |
| 01:24.46 | nvz | diseaser: yeap |
| 01:24.50 | man_in_shack | diseaser, yes |
| 01:24.51 | diseaser | awesome guys, thanks :) |
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| 01:24.57 | kombi | dondelcaro: actually I can't, it is running on a different machine and ssh went with libssl.. |
| 01:25.10 | kombi | but here's what it says: |
| 01:25.11 | nvz | man_in_shack: hey stfu, quit repeating everything I say! ;) |
| 01:25.33 | man_in_shack | nvz, why don't you stfu and stop getting in first? :P |
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| 01:25.54 | kombi | dondel: syntax error: unkonwn group 'Debian-exim' in statusoverride file |
| 01:26.00 | dondelelcaro | kombi: don't paste the stupid thing here. |
| 01:26.00 | man_in_shack | rich_, ok, i worked out what it is |
| 01:26.03 | man_in_shack | rich_, the program i'm trying to run is a pos |
| 01:26.14 | dondelelcaro | kombi: get the entire output some how, using a disk, or whatever, and paste it into #flood |
| 01:26.20 | kombi | dondelcaro: like I said, that was honest typing, |
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| 01:27.09 | ravenbird | ROOOT has landed! |
| 01:27.20 | Cray | roooooooooooooooooooooooot has landed! |
| 01:27.25 | Cray | wth does that mean |
| 01:27.27 | Cray | root has landed? |
| 01:27.36 | dondelelcaro | Cray: that some moron has joined who is IRCing as root |
| 01:27.36 | rich_ | man_in_shack yea that's generally the case. They use features of the libs that the wine team hasn't worked out yet. The application tries to access those features, the wine libs don't support that feature and it gets a segmentation fault. One possible solution is tell wine to use more of the real windows libs instead of the ones written by the wine team. |
| 01:27.48 | Cray | why not say "Root is here. IRCing as root is dangerous. logon as a user rather than root." |
| 01:28.02 | Cray | the avg. joe is going to say 'root has landed? wth?' |
| 01:28.03 | debian | Cray: he was sent private message as well |
| 01:28.10 | dondelelcaro | Cray: it /msg'es the user saying that as well. |
| 01:28.11 | Cray | oh |
| 01:28.14 | Cray | well if that's the case |
| 01:28.16 | man_in_shack | rich_, how to do that? |
| 01:28.18 | Cray | nevermind my ramblings |
| 01:28.18 | debian | Cray: and he's not allowed to speak |
| 01:28.26 | petemc | Cray: people dont listen to advice, generally |
| 01:28.33 | phreak | I can bridge a vlan-interface to another, right? |
| 01:28.49 | rich_ | man_in_shack It was a command line arguement to wine. You'll have to read the wine docs |
| 01:29.14 | Cray | !lart cray |
| 01:29.19 | Cray | ouch |
| 01:29.38 | dondelelcaro | Cray: you can /msg the bot if you want to play... |
| 01:29.55 | man_in_shack | rich_, not any more .. |
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| 01:30.25 | rich_ | man_in_shack oh, well I don't know then. Sorry. |
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| 01:30.27 | Cray | how do you ask it what something is, like "rewind" or "cedega" (as referenced in the #winehq topic) |
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| 01:30.41 | dondelelcaro | Cray: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:30.42 | Yabden | anyone have any favorite domain registrars they want to recommend to me? |
| 01:31.22 | dondelelcaro | Yabden: I personally like joker, but there are a few cheaper ones out there. |
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| 01:31.49 | Yabden | thanks, havent registered domain space before |
| 01:31.51 | Cray | thanks, don |
| 01:32.07 | Cray | yabden: godaddy.com is $6 a year |
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| 01:32.23 | Yabden | wow thats cheap |
| 01:32.26 | ___mike__ | how do you find out teh details of a package... say the programs version? |
| 01:32.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell ___mike__ about pdo |
| 01:32.46 | man_in_shack | what i want to know is why winehq.org have a screenshot of nwn |
| 01:32.47 | man_in_shack | you can get nwn running natively, if you signup on bioware.com |
| 01:32.55 | dondelelcaro | ___mike__: or dpkg -l <foopkg>; and change your nickname to something less insane. |
| 01:32.55 | ___mike__ | boring, i wanna command |
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| 01:33.05 | Cray | yabden: https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/transfers/switch.asp?se=%2B&rhl=nv%5Fweb%5F%2Fdefault%5Fswitch |
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| 01:33.11 | Kano | hi, how are this packages created: kernel-headers-2.6.9-1-k7 |
| 01:33.19 | dondelelcaro | Kano: with make-kpkg |
| 01:33.27 | Kano | and the command for it |
| 01:33.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell Kano about kp |
| 01:33.35 | paolo_ | adios |
| 01:33.39 | Kano | i get only kernel-headers-2.6.9-1 |
| 01:33.47 | Kano | but no -ARCH |
| 01:33.59 | dondelelcaro | Kano: you don't really care about the -ARCH; |
| 01:34.09 | rich_ | man_in_shack I still think its the libs. I found when I use wine by substituting the right libs for the right application I could get a lot more apps running then when I just tried useing all either the wine or origional windows ones |
| 01:34.22 | dondelelcaro | Kano: and there generally won't be a -ARCH for the headers package, since they should be the same across the kernel package. |
| 01:34.56 | zbowlin1 | i was thinking about starting an open source piece of spyware that would try and infect windows machines, and then make browser bars and pop-up bars come to try and educate the user on the problem and how their browser got infected, and maybe possibly even inform them on a better OSs... the spyware would also be so open on how it did and explainations on how to reproduce each method, so that the software writers could fix their software and the general public |
| 01:34.58 | Kano | dondelelcaro: i need these packages to compile drivers without source |
| 01:35.35 | dondelelcaro | Kano: install the appropriate kernel-headers package for the kernel that you're running, like kernel-headers-2.6.9-1-k7 |
| 01:35.40 | rich_ | zbowlin1 buy a gun, and a mask. |
| 01:35.46 | dondelelcaro | !info kernel-headers-2.6.9-1-k7 |
| 01:35.46 | awol | zbowlin1: better to release the tuxissa virus.... |
| 01:35.48 | dpkg | kernel-headers-2.6.9-1-k7: (Linux kernel headers 2.6.9 on AMD K7), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 16748 kB |
| 01:35.51 | Cray | au revoir everybody |
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| 01:36.05 | SDFH_Linux | hi |
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| 01:36.09 | SDFH_Linux | can someone help |
| 01:36.11 | zbowlin1 | rich_: hehe |
| 01:36.12 | Kano | dondelelcaro: thats not the problem, the problem is: i want to compile my own kernels |
| 01:36.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell SDFH_Linux about ask |
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| 01:36.29 | SDFH_Linux | installed xmame and put it as yes for suid root |
| 01:36.36 | SDFH_Linux | and now i cant start up dga |
| 01:36.48 | rich_ | it's ok to do things like that if you own a gun and a mask, otherwise they will laugh at you in prison |
| 01:36.50 | dondelelcaro | Kano: so you compile your own kernel, and when you run make-kpkg kernel_headers; the kernel-headers package gets built |
| 01:36.50 | Kano | and it should also be possible to compile additional drivers without complete source |
| 01:36.51 | SDFH_Linux | how i get prompt back up for xmame so i can choose no for suid root |
| 01:36.58 | SDFH_Linux | what is the command plz |
| 01:37.02 | Kano | dondelelcaro: i know that |
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| 01:37.20 | Kano | i even isntalled kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 |
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| 01:37.24 | dondelelcaro | Kano: so what exactly is the problem? the -ARCH part is just in the name of the package. |
| 01:37.26 | Kano | but that was not enough |
| 01:37.38 | SDFH_Linux | anyone? |
| 01:37.38 | awol | SDFH_Linux: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:37.46 | SDFH_Linux | ah ok let me try that |
| 01:37.47 | Kano | when you have a working header then you get 2 header packages |
| 01:37.48 | awol | SDFH_Linux: dpkg-reconfigure xmame |
| 01:37.51 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 01:37.53 | Narg_ | heh, rebooting fixed my problem. I swear rebooting fixes most things :p |
| 01:38.06 | awol | Nargwincrap logic |
| 01:38.06 | Kano | if you have both you are ableto compile additional drivers |
| 01:38.12 | awol | bah... |
| 01:38.31 | dondelelcaro | Kano: not when you're using a cutom kernel header package. |
| 01:38.42 | Kano | sure i do |
| 01:38.57 | alejandro_ | when mounting a compact flash i get 'mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid bloq device' |
| 01:39.05 | alejandro_ | don't understand why though |
| 01:39.10 | dondelelcaro | Kano: when you're using a custom kernel, and you make the header package, it contains all of the headers that you'd want. |
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| 01:39.21 | Kano | kernel.img.conf is |
| 01:39.26 | Kano | postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 01:39.26 | Kano | postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
| 01:39.26 | Kano | do_bootloader = no |
| 01:39.26 | Kano | do_symlinks = yes |
| 01:39.26 | Kano | relative_links = yes |
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| 01:39.42 | dondelelcaro | Kano: do NOT paste here. |
| 01:39.49 | alejandro_ | !tell Kano about paste |
| 01:39.53 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: he's the moron responsible for kanotix |
| 01:40.00 | zbowlin1 | rich_: funny part is that it would be legal and totally friendly on its approach.. doing nothing more then informing the user after they initiate the action that would cause the issue ether buy running a browser that hadn't been updated with all the security patches or after the user clicked Yes to install something they really shouldn't in a million years should of clicked on... |
| 01:40.03 | Kano | well do_symlinks = yes + relative_links = yes is ative |
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| 01:40.17 | alejandro_ | plop |
| 01:40.30 | Narg_ | heheheh... now root___ gets the lecture :p |
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| 01:40.49 | awol | morons..... irc as root |
| 01:41.01 | dondelelcaro | Kano: that's got nothing to do with the contents of the kernel-headers package. |
| 01:41.13 | alejandro_ | anyways, it normaly mounts ok, without anyproblems, but now it says that mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid bloq device |
| 01:41.22 | alejandro_ | does anyone has an idea? |
| 01:41.23 | dondelelcaro | Kano: I mean, if you're still lost as to how those packages are made, apt-get source fookpkg; will clue you int. |
| 01:41.24 | alejandro_ | O_o |
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| 01:41.51 | Kano | dondelelcaro: that does not show the make-kpkg kommand |
| 01:41.52 | rich_ | zbowlin1 Yea, I know it seems that way when you think of timeslices as being unlimited, but in reality, they don't, so when you steal them, it's theft. Imagine walking into a bank and returning money you stole, you don't think theyd prosecute? |
| 01:41.55 | Kano | thats the problem |
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| 01:42.25 | Kano | and i just wnated the EXACT command that was use to compile |
| 01:42.34 | figfig | is there a way to rerun the initial config script that debian runs on the first start up after it has been run? |
| 01:42.39 | alejandro_ | oops, a block device |
| 01:42.52 | bbrazil | figfig: baseconfig |
| 01:42.56 | zbowlin1 | funny... my 'root' username really isn't root and more of just a dumbing account that tell the user trying to gain access to my machine they have been reported to the internet police for being a said kiddy scripter (with my patch to sshd) :-0 |
| 01:43.06 | Kano | the standard kernel-header is created, fine, but thats not enough |
| 01:43.11 | rich_ | zbowlin1 The latest news stories would say "latest virus fills users screen with non-understandable technical information" |
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| 01:43.12 | awol | alejandro_: is it already mounted? |
| 01:43.27 | zbowlin1 | rich_: hahaha |
| 01:43.36 | figfig | bbrazil: thanks |
| 01:43.45 | zbowlin1 | rich_: url? |
| 01:43.48 | bbrazil | figfig: make that base-config |
| 01:44.04 | rich_ | zbowlin1 I was speculateing on how they would describe your product |
| 01:44.40 | rich_ | zbowlin1 They would treat it just like another virus, and not care what it says |
| 01:44.49 | awol | i still wanna see the tuxissa virus propagated |
| 01:46.32 | zbowlin1 | rich_: ohh lol... I just think the idea would be funny because I get calls all the time from people who get infected and they fall for the dumbest things like a banner that says "Send email with similes!" on a big flashing banner... my idea was to put up a copy of that idea but right before the installed then tell them what they did wrong and allow them to learn the dos and don'ts (internet basics 101) of what is good and what is bad... |
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| 01:46.52 | alejandro_ | awol, no, is not |
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| 01:47.03 | awol | you guys know the tuxissa virus? |
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| 01:47.20 | FieldySnuts | @confuse awol |
| 01:47.20 | alch3my | Alive.. Anyone? |
| 01:47.23 | ravenbird | no how was your gerbil tomorrow ? |
| 01:47.25 | SDFH_Linux | is 2.6,9 kernel working yet with nvidia driver anyone know? |
| 01:47.27 | debian | awol: nope, in fact, we don't know anything about virus. THis is #debian afterall |
| 01:47.30 | sussudio | !irritate awol |
| 01:47.31 | rich_ | zbowlin1 You know, probably 10% of all users who hypothetically got your virus would not read more then 10 words before they re-installed their whole operateing system. Im just speculating about that too, it might be that they only read 5 words, or less. |
| 01:47.31 | dpkg | awol: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 01:47.34 | awol | alejandro_: mount point in use? flash drive formatted? |
| 01:47.35 | alejandro_ | i have the modules sd_mod scsi_mod usb_storage |
| 01:47.37 | FieldySnuts | lol |
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| 01:48.00 | alejandro_ | awol, I just reboted... |
| 01:48.05 | debian | !win FieldySnuts and sussudio |
| 01:48.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, FieldySnuts and sussudio! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 01:48.18 | Piggy | !start a badger war |
| 01:48.19 | dpkg | badgers suck compared to kawfees |
| 01:48.20 | awol | the tuxissa virus alerts the user to various M$ alert url's and while theyre off reading those it downloads linux and installs it in the background then reboots |
| 01:48.24 | alch3my | question; saving an attachment to hdd through mutt.. wasnt listed in "?" ? |
| 01:48.33 | alch3my | GAH. |
| 01:48.35 | alch3my | I see. |
| 01:48.37 | alch3my | Forget that. :) |
| 01:49.00 | soth` | which is the securist php4 package to install? |
| 01:49.10 | FieldySnuts | none |
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| 01:49.17 | tictac | is there anyway to 'split' the control keys, meaning have control_left do x and control_right do y? |
| 01:49.43 | zbowlin1 | rich_: my software would be classified as hoax spyware not a virus so that I could enjoy the same legal rights that are given to the spyware companies who just use fuzzy wording and such without really crossing the line to do something disgustingly wrong... but I would only mimic their behavior to teach the end users a valuable lesson... |
| 01:49.47 | awol | tictac: man xmodmap |
| 01:49.47 | dao | SDFH_Linux, yes work great |
| 01:50.06 | debian | soth`: oxymoron sentence |
| 01:50.31 | SDFH_Linux | cool |
| 01:50.33 | soth` | well i know php isn't very secure |
| 01:50.38 | SDFH_Linux | so it safe to upgrade up |
| 01:50.39 | FieldySnuts | not at all |
| 01:50.44 | soth` | thats why i said "securest" |
| 01:50.48 | SDFH_Linux | from 2.6.8.-1-smp |
| 01:50.48 | wols_ | zbowlin1: your "spyware" is just as disgustingly wrong, and since you don't gain money with it you will be a very easy target for lawsuits |
| 01:50.56 | MobyTurbo | zbowlin1: a virus was written that would uninstall other viruses, the problem was that it used up so much internet resources doing so that it was bad just for that. Any virus, including yours, fits that catagory. |
| 01:50.56 | FieldySnuts | using php is saying "root me" |
| 01:50.57 | wols_ | ones you will rightfully lose |
| 01:50.58 | FieldySnuts | so have fun |
| 01:51.08 | dao | SDFH_Linux, I just upgraded, no probs |
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| 01:51.33 | zbowlin1 | wols_: maybe include a google ad and take donations and do it as a sourceforge project? |
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| 01:52.02 | alejandro_ | damn |
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| 01:52.17 | wols_ | zbowlin1: sf.net will drop you faster than a hot potato, and you won't get enough money to pay for your court costs |
| 01:52.26 | dondelelcaro | Kano: you obviously havent read the debian/rules file from apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.9-1-k7; or you wouldn't be asking me what the make-kpkg line they were using is. |
| 01:52.52 | zbowlin1 | zbowlin1: I'm just trying to think of a way to help these tards figure what they are doing... I'm hate to see good people suckered into stupid situations... |
| 01:52.53 | try_catch_this | "take donations"??? from people who hate to pay for software? |
| 01:52.54 | rich_ | zbowlin1 I suspect those arent open source. You'ld need a lawyer in order to stand any kind of chance of staying out of jail, an armored car, bullet proof windows.... its much simpler to just buy a gun and a mask so you can get some respect from the other prisoners. |
| 01:53.04 | Kano | dondelelcaro: sorry, i did not look into that |
| 01:53.38 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 01:53.43 | SDFH_Linux | here i go to upgrade to them |
| 01:54.26 | rich_ | Tell them you were trying to steal money |
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| 01:54.35 | wols_ | zbowlin1: doing bad things to people to improve their lifes is not a good thing to do. the last one who did that was Lenin |
| 01:54.39 | rich_ | They understand that |
| 01:54.41 | alejandro_ | uhmmm what about rm /dev/sda and then mknod -m 600 /dev/sda1 b 8 1 right? |
| 01:55.06 | awol | huh? |
| 01:55.06 | wols_ | alejandro_: man MAKEDEV |
| 01:55.07 | dondelelcaro | alejandro_: uh, you want the /dev/sda device... |
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| 01:55.45 | alejandro_ | i have been using it for a while, but today is not working and I get mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
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| 01:56.08 | dondelelcaro | alejandro_: hrm... do you have the right scsi modules loaded? |
| 01:56.09 | wols_ | alejandro_: new kernel? |
| 01:56.18 | alejandro_ | wols_, same |
| 01:56.23 | awol | alejandro_: ya got scsi emulation in yer kernel? changed kernels perhaps? |
| 01:56.25 | alejandro_ | dondelelcaro, I think so... |
| 01:56.28 | awol | oh... |
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| 01:56.43 | alejandro_ | "ya"? or you... |
| 01:57.01 | rich_ | also if the charge is some wierd computer thing they might take your internet access away. If the charge is simple robbery, you can probably irc from prison |
| 01:57.16 | awol | my weird aussie accent... sorry... |
| 01:57.20 | rich_ | :) |
| 01:57.29 | alejandro_ | dondelelcaro, only scsi_mod |
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| 01:58.23 | Max_Steel | the ArgoUML read Rational Rose files? |
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| 01:59.01 | srat | O.K. I'm using a usb printer (HP psc 1209), foomatic prints a test page with no problem, yet I can't print using lp or lpr, any ideas for what I need to do? |
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| 02:01.13 | zbowlin1 | the largest divisioned part of general public is always dumb... just look at the Republicans... but when you stop each one who was just trying to be part of the most major group so they don't need to think for themselves that single individual is usually smarter then the group.. if I can educate a bunch of the the single individuals in that group and get them motivated enough to talk to everyone else in their group, then maybe people can take a lot at the wor |
| 02:01.24 | alejandro_ | so? O_o |
| 02:01.26 | alejandro_ | :( |
| 02:01.40 | zbowlin1 | i need another drink... :-) ttyl |
| 02:02.10 | rich_ | zbowlin1 good idea. You do need a drink. |
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| 02:04.15 | kennex | hey guys, where do the network card modules get mapped to ethernet named ? |
| 02:05.11 | NickHill | kennex, /etc/modules.conf which is created from files in /etc/modutils |
| 02:05.57 | alejandro_ | so, it's ok to rm and then mknod? |
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| 02:06.32 | nz17 | Does anyone know of any Debian packages for P.O.S. (point of sale)? |
| 02:06.34 | NickHill | kennex, otherwise, in the order they were loaded |
| 02:06.59 | nz17 | I need it for my retail store. |
| 02:07.14 | kennex | I amn having problems with network cards not being able to ping |
| 02:07.20 | sussudio | hm. |
| 02:07.27 | kennex | first the first one, now thats ok, now the second card cant ping |
| 02:07.39 | NickHill | kennex, Are you connecting to a dhcp net? |
| 02:07.41 | kennex | it says desitination host unreachable |
| 02:07.44 | Yabden | are they getting assigned addresses from dhclient? |
| 02:08.05 | kennex | no |
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| 02:08.08 | kennex | all static |
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| 02:08.30 | alejandro_ | be right back |
| 02:08.40 | NickHill | Does pinging hosts on your local net function |
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| 02:09.08 | kennex | yeah ping localhost works fine |
| 02:09.24 | kennex | I found changing the network card alters this, but the results are inconsistentr |
| 02:09.32 | NickHill | kennex, Does pinging other hosts on your local network work, by using ip addresses? |
| 02:09.34 | kennex | sorry changing the cords |
| 02:09.35 | Max_Steel | the ArgoUML read Rational Rose files? |
| 02:09.42 | kennex | I'll check |
| 02:10.06 | kennex | yes I can ping the localhost by ip address |
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| 02:10.20 | NickHill | no, not localhost |
| 02:10.21 | johan | what is result of ifconfig eth |
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| 02:10.37 | kennex | I tried the ip address of the card |
| 02:10.49 | NickHill | kennex, Can you ping other ip addresses physically connected to the same ethernet network? |
| 02:10.49 | kennex | but any host on that subnet cannt be pinged |
| 02:10.54 | kennex | yes |
| 02:11.14 | Muffie | How can I have an SMTP server in my Debian Box? |
| 02:11.20 | johan | kennex, what is result of ifconfig eth |
| 02:11.40 | johan | muffie, exit is easiest |
| 02:11.51 | johan | exim |
| 02:11.53 | kennex | error fetching interface information |
| 02:11.54 | johan | :) |
| 02:12.08 | NickHill | kennex, If you can ping other ip addresses on the same network but connot ping hosts outside the network, then you have a problem with your default gateway/ routing configuration. |
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| 02:12.30 | SDFH_Linux | thanks guys i got new kernel and nvidia driver working |
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| 02:12.44 | Muffie | johan, But I can configure some friends outlook to use my EXIM as an SMTP server!?? |
| 02:12.48 | johan | you should be able to see your mac address by ifconfig, kennex |
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| 02:13.18 | johan | i use exim as smtp, Muffie |
| 02:13.42 | Piru | !??? |
| 02:13.54 | Muffie | johah, EXIM is installed here. Shouldnt I be able to telnet to my computers port 25!?? |
| 02:14.01 | johan | yes |
| 02:14.02 | Piru | !???? |
| 02:14.11 | johan | lol Piru , everything fine, |
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| 02:14.17 | jbr | Muffie: do you have a telnetd installed? |
| 02:14.20 | Muffie | Someone can please check this URL: http://hbarcellos.dyndns.org/apache2-default/hbarcellos/index.htm (Im trying to configure APACHE...) |
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| 02:14.44 | Muffie | jbr, Do I need telnetd installed to EXIM accept SMTP calls? |
| 02:14.55 | debian | Muffie: NO |
| 02:15.00 | kennex | NickHill: the ip gateway address looks fine |
| 02:15.06 | kennex | this is so confusing |
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| 02:15.22 | jbr | Muffie: (sorry, misread 25 as 23) |
| 02:15.27 | Muffie | debian, My windows box cant telnet <debian-box> on port 25 |
| 02:15.27 | srat | Muffie: link works fine |
| 02:15.48 | Muffie | srat, Nice! My ISP is not blocking port 80! :) Really nice! |
| 02:15.52 | debian | Muffie: can you telnet 25 at localhost? |
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| 02:16.06 | NickHill | kennex, What is your local network ip address and what is the address of your gateway |
| 02:16.24 | extranop | Is there a good debian specific apache help guide? (I am trying to start apache + work with the apachewiki I alsa apted) |
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| 02:16.56 | NickHill | kennex, And what are your netmasks set to? |
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| 02:17.08 | johan | muffie, did youdo apt-get install exim ? |
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| 02:17.38 | johan | muffie, chat here, not private |
| 02:17.59 | Muffie | I have installed sarge. EXIM is already there. Apache is fully functional after install |
| 02:18.11 | Muffie | debian, telnet fails... |
| 02:18.20 | johan | do ps -ax | grep exim |
| 02:18.50 | Muffie | hbserver:/var/www/apache2-default/hbarcellos# ps -ax | grep exim |
| 02:18.50 | Muffie | Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 02:18.50 | Muffie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.50 | Muffie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:19.10 | Muffie | sorry guys.. Its at flood |
| 02:19.14 | Muffie | sorry guys.. Its at #flood |
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| 02:19.17 | johan | then do an nmap on your server |
| 02:19.18 | kennex | NickHill... I should be able to ping it from other hosts though |
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| 02:19.27 | johan | nmap ip -p 25 |
| 02:19.43 | Muffie | johan, whats that? |
| 02:19.55 | johan | portscan |
| 02:20.06 | johan | very useful for this things |
| 02:20.27 | johan | standard linux network tool |
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| 02:20.49 | extranop | Is there a good debian specific apache help guide? (I am trying to start apache + work with the apachewiki I alsa apted) |
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| 02:20.57 | Muffie | johan, check #flood |
| 02:20.58 | mgoose | hello all |
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| 02:21.16 | mgoose | im trying to install kde 3.3 with apt on a debian based distro (mepis), how would i do this |
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| 02:21.28 | mgoose | apt-get install kde/unstable doesnt seem to work |
| 02:21.36 | Compound-4 | naja,ich zische mal ab |
| 02:21.36 | mgoose | it keeps saying kde is the latest version |
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| 02:22.03 | johan | what do i have to check muffie |
| 02:22.06 | Compound-4 | n8i all |
| 02:22.16 | Muffie | Johan, the result of nmap |
| 02:22.20 | johan | muffie, do you have public ip where your deb srver turns |
| 02:22.27 | kennex | NickHill.... this card is on a host with multiple cards... its the internal card, and does not have a gateway set |
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| 02:22.35 | hmakholm | mgoose: Do you have unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:22.40 | mgoose | yep |
| 02:23.01 | mgoose | in fact i did the same command before but it upgraded to 3.2.3 for some reason |
| 02:23.09 | Muffie | johan, At the moment we're all inside a router. Only web(80) is forwarded... |
| 02:23.11 | gatewayvn | does Debian support many gigabit cards? |
| 02:23.13 | nz17 | Does anyone know of any Debian packages for retail P.O.S. (point of sale)? |
| 02:23.18 | extranop | Is there a good debian specific apache guide somewhere? |
| 02:23.23 | mgoose | when i do apt-get install kdebase/unstable it says it depends on all these different packages that arent going to be installed |
| 02:23.27 | hmakholm | mgoose: And you have updated apt's packages cache? |
| 02:23.39 | stew | gatewayvn: linux supports many |
| 02:23.41 | mgoose | as in have i used apt-get update recently? yes |
| 02:23.59 | gatewayvn | thx |
| 02:24.02 | prostat | Can anyone point me to a package in apt that will watch a log file and run a beep command of my chosing when certain text is there? It has to keep watching for NEW instances of that text after running the beep command. |
| 02:24.20 | SDFH_Linux | does anyone know if |
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| 02:24.26 | SDFH_Linux | xmame works on smp kernel? |
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| 02:24.47 | stew | SDFH_Linux: it does |
| 02:24.57 | SDFH_Linux | weird mine no workie |
| 02:25.03 | johan | muffie, after installing exim do /etc/init.d/exim and look in to the logs |
| 02:25.08 | mgoose | any other suggestions, hmakholm? |
| 02:25.10 | stew | SDFH_Linux: but it works with a non-SMP kernel? |
| 02:25.11 | johan | muffie, after installing exim do /etc/init.d/exim start and look in to the logs |
| 02:25.15 | SDFH_Linux | well yea |
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| 02:25.22 | SDFH_Linux | on my 3000+ it works fine |
| 02:25.32 | SDFH_Linux | on this p4 3.2 |
| 02:25.34 | stew | SDFH_Linux: i must admit i haven't tried it in a while though |
| 02:25.46 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know when they are going to upgrade gxmame |
| 02:25.49 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
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| 02:26.00 | mgoose | hmm strange, apt-get install -t unstable kdebase kde worked |
| 02:26.04 | Muffie | johan, init.d/exim4 restart |
| 02:26.06 | mgoose | w00t :) |
| 02:26.08 | hmakholm | mgoose: Not immediately. Do you see the version you want to install if you try 'apt-cache show kde' |
| 02:26.15 | Muffie | johan, Which log should I look!? |
| 02:26.34 | stew | Muffie: /var/log/mail.log |
| 02:26.37 | petemc | johan: exim runs from inetd by default in woody, look at the script |
| 02:27.03 | Muffie | stew and Johan: Blank log... |
| 02:27.37 | extranop | is there anything nice to install -t unstable on my sarge box? |
| 02:27.58 | dondelelcaro | extranop: you generally shouldn't bother to do that, unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 02:28.10 | dondelelcaro | extranop: and then, you would already know what is in unstable that isn't in testing. |
| 02:28.33 | jbr | Muffie: anything in /var/log/exim4/ ? |
| 02:29.16 | mgoose | brb |
| 02:29.19 | exobyte | I'm looking for a mobo that can take lots (>4 GB) of ram and is cheap. Ideas? |
| 02:29.19 | extranop | dondelelcaro: there was something I'm trying to remember... mplayer isn't in testing |
| 02:29.24 | Muffie | jbr, Strange... Looks like its listening on port 25 |
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| 02:29.30 | dondelelcaro | extranop: it isn't in unstable either. |
| 02:30.14 | extranop | what is the current situation of that? |
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| 02:30.31 | sussudio | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 28523/Soviet_Russia |
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| 02:30.39 | sussudio | Muffie: like that? |
| 02:30.48 | johan | Muffie: you see exim-dir in /var/log |
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| 02:31.06 | resiak | sussudio: If I didn't know better, I'd think you were a jokebot =) |
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| 02:31.12 | johan | it doesnt write to mail.log |
| 02:31.20 | sussudio | jokebot? |
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| 02:31.41 | Muffie | johan, I have pasted it into #flood... Looks ok... |
| 02:31.42 | petemc | !knock knock |
| 02:31.43 | dpkg | petemc: oh, piss off |
| 02:31.44 | Muffie | unfortunately |
| 02:31.54 | Piggy | o_o |
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| 02:32.22 | Sirusx | anyone knows some program for streaming movie files? |
| 02:32.27 | extranop | why is mplayer not in debian? |
| 02:32.30 | petemc | Sirusx: ffmpeg |
| 02:32.41 | petemc | extranop: licensing |
| 02:32.45 | johan | Muffie: is port 25 open with nmap? |
| 02:32.47 | sussudio | !tell extranop about mplayer |
| 02:32.58 | rich_ | Sirusx Streaming them in, or out? |
| 02:33.04 | resiak | sussudio: Something that could be rustled up by one skilled in the art of, say, Perl, which exists soley to spout references to badgers and soviet russia :) |
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| 02:33.27 | Sirusx | rich_: out |
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| 02:33.43 | Muffie | johan, telnet localhost 25 (from inside server) works... |
| 02:33.56 | Muffie | johan, Outside its not working |
| 02:33.58 | sussudio | resiak: In parts of Russia, badgers may weigh as much as 32 kilos in the autumn. Their fat reserves enable them to spend up to 6 months asleep in their setts over the long, freezing Russian winter. The general hue of its fur is grey above and black on the under parts with a distinctive black and white striped face. |
| 02:34.14 | resiak | sussudio: You rule :-D |
| 02:34.15 | Sirusx | rich_: like helix server, but for wmv or... |
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| 02:34.43 | mgoose | thx, that thing i said worked |
| 02:34.54 | johan | yeah, that is normal because you didnt nat it |
| 02:35.04 | aFlag | k3b 0.11.12 doesn't work too well with kernel 2.6, but k3b 0.11.17 can't go to sarge because kdelibs4 3.3 can't also. But you can't use k3b with kernel 2.6, isn't it kinda broken? |
| 02:35.30 | Muffie | johan, But Apache was working "out of the box"... What should I do... |
| 02:35.37 | rich_ | Sirusx Yea, I see. You want a server. It's a good question and I've wondered about it myself, but I don't know. |
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| 02:35.53 | johan | portforwarding Muffie |
| 02:35.54 | petemc | aFlag: k3b works fine with 2.6, dont make such sweeping statements |
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| 02:36.26 | diseaser | any kwiki users? |
| 02:36.33 | Amaranth | petemc: It sortof works, with ~20 CD burned I've had it fail more then not. |
| 02:36.43 | Muffie | johan, no... not that. Inside my home network is not working. Theres no need to use port forwarding to that... |
| 02:36.45 | aFlag | petemc: it wasn't working with 2.6 and it worked with 2.4 here |
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| 02:36.49 | aFlag | maybe they fixed it |
| 02:36.56 | rich_ | Sirusx I wonder if people just use a web server to do it. |
| 02:37.06 | johan | checked in /etc/exim.conf ? |
| 02:37.06 | Amaranth | But I think it's a cdrdao issue, it fails on emptying cache and cdrdao is defunct. |
| 02:37.24 | rich_ | Sirusx it would have to know what an mms: url means of course |
| 02:37.43 | Sirusx | rich_: actually i need to stream it for watching on my pocket pc |
| 02:38.07 | johan | Muffie: host_accept_relay in /etc/exim/exim.conf |
| 02:38.13 | rdancer | now this is interesting: a xpdf.bin process, which has 62 file descriptors open as of now, including few CD-ROM images i've been downloading from within firecrap (sarge) |
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| 02:38.22 | Sirusx | rich_: when i use web server, i have to save the movie first and then watch it |
| 02:38.36 | Muffie | johan, Maybe because there's no exim.conf... Only exim.conf.template! hehehe |
| 02:38.42 | johan | there is |
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| 02:38.47 | johan | mffpasky: |
| 02:38.47 | johan | Muffie: |
| 02:38.49 | rich_ | Sirusx yes, so the server needs to know that if it is a mms: url it grows. |
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| 02:39.18 | rich_ | Sirusx but because that is such a minor difference, it makes me wonder if maybe some web server is equipedfor the job |
| 02:39.34 | kennex | where does the internal nic gets its gateway from? |
| 02:39.37 | coywolf | in kernel build, do the host programs depend on gcc too? |
| 02:39.47 | dondelelcaro | kennex: from whatever it gets it from. |
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| 02:39.53 | Sirusx | rich_: there has to be something in linux |
| 02:39.54 | glick | hello all |
| 02:39.56 | dondelelcaro | kennex: usually DHCP or /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:40.03 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know how to change the wallpaper in blackbox |
| 02:40.10 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: with xsetbbg |
| 02:40.12 | kennex | and should that always be the external nic? |
| 02:40.14 | dondelelcaro | s/bb/b/ |
| 02:40.17 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 02:40.20 | SDFH_Linux | me try |
| 02:40.25 | rdancer | SDFH_Linux: Esetroot should do |
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| 02:40.41 | Sirusx | rich_: because there are so many linux servers wich support wmv streaming |
| 02:40.46 | kennex | sorry, I sould have said, would the internal nic gateway be the external nic? |
| 02:40.52 | rich_ | Sirusx I agree, Im sure there is, but it might be the reason we seldom hear about apps to do it is that it is done by combineing other apps with a web server. Like streamer in example. |
| 02:41.02 | dondelelcaro | kennex: there can be only one default gateway. |
| 02:41.23 | johan | Muffie: found it? |
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| 02:41.31 | dondelelcaro | kennex: whichever NIC is connected to the outside world gets the default gateway. Everything else gets routes to specific networks. |
| 02:41.38 | Muffie | johan, Still looking at the template! :) |
| 02:41.50 | johan | Muffie: what is present in /etc/exim/ |
| 02:41.51 | kennex | well it cant be a problem on the server anyway, my hosts cant pint this machine either |
| 02:42.38 | Sirusx | rich_: yea, it might be |
| 02:42.39 | petemc | the inability to pint is a real problem |
| 02:42.42 | dondelelcaro | kennex: you're not giving enough detail for us to even have a clue what you're talking about. |
| 02:42.46 | Muffie | johan, conf.d exim4.conf.template passwd.client update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 02:42.48 | SDFH_Linux | neither comman works |
| 02:42.52 | SDFH_Linux | cmd* |
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| 02:43.11 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: they both will work. You may not have them installed, though. |
| 02:43.21 | SDFH_Linux | doh |
| 02:43.22 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 02:43.23 | SDFH_Linux | ok |
| 02:43.25 | SDFH_Linux | hehe |
| 02:43.31 | dondelelcaro | SDFH_Linux: xsetbg is in xloadimage, Esetroot is in eterm. |
| 02:43.39 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 02:43.48 | rdancer | hm, that xpdf.bin process has no windows open |
| 02:44.06 | kennex | I have a host with 2 nics... until now it was the second nic that was telling me host unreachable.. with every ping request on a lan device... now its the other interface doing this and the external one working fine... we are running a flat network |
| 02:44.07 | johan | Muffie: do cp exim4.conf.template exim4.conf |
| 02:44.28 | dondelelcaro | kennex: paste the output of route -n; into #flood |
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| 02:44.52 | johan | Muffie: do dpkg -l exim |
| 02:45.21 | johan | dondelelcaro: i should figure out why he cant do ifconfig |
| 02:45.48 | rdancer | when a parent process has died, ps(1) will show the parent's parent as PPID from then on, correct? |
| 02:46.08 | Muffie | johan, init.d/exim4 restart is now returning an error... let me check |
| 02:46.25 | johan | ok |
| 02:47.25 | kombi | compound-4: utf8! |
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| 02:47.42 | Muffie | johan, Something about a macro not well defined... let me comment this line |
| 02:47.52 | SDFH_Linux | how i start eterm |
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| 02:48.37 | johan | ok |
| 02:49.34 | kombi | I have never seen it this quite in here.. |
| 02:49.43 | Muffie | johan, it has over 1000 lines! :) |
| 02:49.55 | petemc | m1 |
| 02:49.57 | johan | yes i see it |
| 02:50.02 | petemc | gah |
| 02:50.08 | johan | Muffie: there is exim4 and there is exim in the debs |
| 02:50.37 | johan | can you do apt-get install exim and not apt-get install exim4 |
| 02:50.51 | srat | SDFH_Linux: Eterm |
| 02:51.13 | Muffie | johan< sure... But I think its started again now... Let me test it |
| 02:51.14 | srat | SDFH_Linux: first letter is capitol |
| 02:51.24 | jbr | Muffie: exim4 un/misconfigured? you may be best off doing "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" |
| 02:52.31 | Muffie | jbr and Johan! Its working apparently |
| 02:52.32 | exobyte | I'm looking for a mobo that can take lots (>4 GB) of ram and is cheap. Ideas? |
| 02:52.49 | johan | ok |
| 02:52.51 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: those are pretty separate goals. |
| 02:52.52 | johan | great |
| 02:52.53 | Muffie | johan, Do you know an easy way to see if it will actually send a message? |
| 02:53.11 | kombi | mail address@address.tld |
| 02:53.14 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: well- it *could* be a 100mhz machine |
| 02:53.22 | petemc | exim -bt foo@bar |
| 02:53.23 | johan | like kombi said |
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| 02:53.37 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: there aren't many boards older than a few years that'll do more than 4G |
| 02:53.44 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: they tend to be fairly high-end. |
| 02:53.51 | Muffie | Un Unrouteable address |
| 02:54.05 | johan | ok check your config |
| 02:54.06 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: heh- yeah |
| 02:54.13 | kombi | johan: or can you even do exim -v foo@bar and watch the whole convo |
| 02:54.27 | petemc | exim uses system calls |
| 02:54.37 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: off hand, you're basically looking at a high-end tyan, super micro, or intel board... |
| 02:54.42 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: happen to know much about pci cards or hard drives that use ram for storage? |
| 02:54.57 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: probably will run about $300-500 for the motherboard |
| 02:55.24 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: there are solid state drives that use ram for storage, but they're even more expensive than the motherboard would be. |
| 02:55.24 | Muffie | johan, Do you know what should I check at exim4.conf !? |
| 02:55.25 | johan | yes |
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| 02:55.33 | johan | you dont't ? :à |
| 02:55.38 | johan | you dont't ? :) |
| 02:55.39 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: wouldn't be any Athlon64 mobo with as many memory slots as possible enough? |
| 02:55.51 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: ouch. Would I need a 64 bit board for 4gb of ram? |
| 02:56.00 | Muffie | johan, appearently not! :) |
| 02:56.07 | johan | Muffie: host_accept_relay in /etc/exim/exim.conf anyway |
| 02:56.08 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: no, there are p4 boards that'll do 6G, FE |
| 02:56.19 | wols_ | exobyte: either a athlon64 or a Xeon (for the PAE) |
| 02:56.41 | Muffie | Muffie, that wasnt the configuration to accept connections from remote machines? |
| 02:56.46 | petemc | athlons trounce xeons, generally |
| 02:56.53 | Muffie | johan, that wasnt the configuration to accept connections from remote machines? |
| 02:56.59 | exobyte | wols_: which xeon? (pii, iii, 4) |
| 02:57.18 | johan | and do a tail -f /var/log/exim/mainlog while you send mail |
| 02:57.32 | wols_ | exobyte: P4 definitely, and P3 possibly, but not really shure. If it has PAE, then it's ok |
| 02:57.36 | johan | yes Muffie |
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| 02:57.46 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: the even more evil part is that I would be happy with pc133, but board don't have it |
| 02:57.56 | extranop | Is there a VPC Linux equiv? |
| 02:58.17 | Muffie | johan, Now Im receiving an error while trying to test this: (@ #flood) |
| 02:58.24 | wols_ | exobyte: xen, plex86, bochs, vmware |
| 02:58.24 | sussudio | !vp |
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| 02:58.30 | bootdaemon | hi, good evening. how do i capture boot messages beyond the kernel messages, |
| 02:58.37 | petemc | wols_: qemu |
| 02:58.55 | johan | ok one sec Muffie |
| 02:59.05 | bootdaemon | i am used to seeing them in dmesg in redhat, here i only see kernel stuff and no info on |
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| 02:59.10 | wols_ | bootdaemon: cat /var/log/messages for example |
| 02:59.15 | SDFH_Linux | where good site to learn how to compile kernel in debian |
| 02:59.22 | exobyte | wols_: I don't think that was for me |
| 02:59.30 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: Have you read the Debian Reference? |
| 02:59.35 | SDFH_Linux | no |
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| 02:59.57 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: apt-get install debian-reference-en (or whatever the appropriate language is for you). |
| 03:00.01 | wols_ | exobyte: true. sorry |
| 03:00.05 | johan | Muffie: you see this rule : host_auth_accept_relay = * |
| 03:00.09 | bootdaemon | sorry wols_, that also doesnt tell me about anything |
| 03:00.19 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: Then take a look in /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/ |
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| 03:00.26 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:00.47 | bootdaemon | for instance failure of postgresql to start |
| 03:00.49 | rich_ | Sirusx There is something called gstreamer that looks promising |
| 03:00.50 | Muffie | johan: Pattern not found! |
| 03:00.53 | bootdaemon | or myssql problems |
| 03:00.59 | jbr | bootdaemon: what is it you're looking for? /etc/default/bootlogd? |
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| 03:01.00 | bootdaemon | or problems with openmosix |
| 03:01.08 | exobyte | wols_: np |
| 03:01.09 | wols_ | bootdaemon: /var/log/syslog |
| 03:01.13 | bootdaemon | or anything in initrd |
| 03:01.17 | johan | Muffie: in /etc/exim/exim.conf ? |
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| 03:01.27 | rich_ | Sirusx but theres so many packages for it, I havent found the meta package yet |
| 03:01.31 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: what about a p4 board that takes pc133? |
| 03:01.41 | wols_ | and those messages don't have any business to show up in kernel-logs, so it's a good thing dmesg doesn't show them |
| 03:01.56 | johan | Muffie: smtp_verify = true |
| 03:01.56 | Muffie | johan, Yes.. And adding it shows me an error while starting it... |
| 03:02.18 | Sirusx | rich_ is it stream server? |
| 03:02.26 | wols_ | exobyte: maybe an early one would do that, but back then intel was high on RDRAM. SDRAM only for consumer stuff |
| 03:02.31 | bootdaemon | nope, only gives kernel errros for apm and modproble |
| 03:02.36 | Wyzard | rich_: GStreamer is a multimedia framework similar to DirectShow |
| 03:02.40 | wols_ | besides: 4+ GB with PC133? ouch! |
| 03:02.48 | jbr | bootdaemon: you want something to watch the logs for you? there are packages for that |
| 03:02.54 | Wyzard | rich_: It's not a streaming-over-a-network multimedia server |
| 03:03.17 | bootdaemon | i think i just want the initial stream of boot up messages so i can trim rc2.d |
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| 03:03.24 | bootdaemon | and see what is failing |
| 03:03.26 | Muffie | johan, Check #flood!! :) |
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| 03:03.35 | rich_ | Sirusx its a great many things with dozens and dozens of plugins, Wyzard says no, maybe he knows a better alternative |
| 03:03.43 | bootdaemon | i used to see it all with dmesg on fedora |
| 03:04.06 | johan | dpkg -l exim Muffie |
| 03:04.06 | dpkg | ii exim Muffie 3.5-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 03:04.21 | bootdaemon | i saw somewhere on the web that i have to direct the output from the initial boot to a log ssytem |
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| 03:04.29 | Sirusx | rich_ i also found a tutorial http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6720 , but no wmv |
| 03:04.39 | Wyzard | rich_: Maybe Icecast for music or VLC for video, but I've never used either of those myself |
| 03:04.42 | bootdaemon | i just dont recall what to do |
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| 03:05.12 | Muffie | johan, Already did it. Only shows me some output thats present @ #flood |
| 03:05.18 | petemc | bootdaemon: what is that you want, that dmesg doesnt provide? |
| 03:05.30 | rich_ | Sirusx You want wmv? Not asf? As far as I know wmv is some kind of proprietary thing that tries hard but isn't as good as asf. Why wmv? |
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| 03:05.50 | johan | Muffie: did you do apt-get install exim ? |
| 03:05.55 | rich_ | Wyzard Thanks |
| 03:05.58 | Guerin | Muffie: dpkg -l |grep exim |
| 03:06.00 | jbr | bootdaemon: have you looked at /etc/default/bootlogd? (man 8 bootlogd) |
| 03:06.05 | Sirusx | rich_ yes, asf |
| 03:06.20 | Wyzard | rich_: WMV is a codec... ASF is a container format, similar to AVI but patented (yes, they patented a file format) |
| 03:06.25 | petemc | lots of people dont understand that most things are just containers for mpeg4 |
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| 03:06.34 | Muffie | johan, Ill keep trying exim4 for a while! :) |
| 03:06.42 | johan | ok |
| 03:06.52 | rich_ | Sirusx did you see what Wyzard said? vlc. I heard it used as a client, but he suggests it's also possibly a server |
| 03:06.55 | johan | did you do eximconfig |
| 03:07.02 | wols_ | petemc: wmv is similar to mpeg4 but not the same, not at all |
| 03:07.07 | rich_ | Wyzard I see. Thanks |
| 03:07.10 | wols_ | and asf is just the container for wmv |
| 03:07.17 | petemc | wols_: enlighten me |
| 03:07.19 | johan | what do you notice in /etc/exim/exim4.conf |
| 03:07.26 | Muffie | johan, eximconfig not found... |
| 03:07.27 | Wyzard | rich_: Well, "VLC" stands for "VideoLAN Client" IIRC... presumably the server is a separate program, but it's still referred to as VLC afaik |
| 03:07.37 | johan | or exim4config |
| 03:07.57 | Wyzard | rich_: http://www.videolan.org/ |
| 03:08.16 | bootdaemon | aha the bootlogd seems to be right!! |
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| 03:08.30 | rich_ | Wyzard yea, it's an acronym based society. Some things dont change their names when they extend their capability. |
| 03:08.31 | Elthria | Morning all |
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| 03:08.41 | mattrr | hi. i can't seem to enable smart on a drive, i get errors when i do and i know that the drive supports it. what should i do? |
| 03:08.48 | Muffie | johan... thanks for your help johan, but I'll sleep in a few moments and try again tomorrow! :) really thanks |
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| 03:09.24 | rich_ | Wyzard Sorry I meant that for Sirusx |
| 03:09.31 | bootdaemon | jbr you are great |
| 03:09.32 | Muffie | johan, Just a last question: What should I apt-get to install an ftp-daemon? |
| 03:09.46 | Wyzard | Muffie: proftpd is one that I know of, but there are others |
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| 03:10.11 | Muffie | Wyzard: apt-get install proftpd is enought to install it? |
| 03:10.17 | Sirusx | rich_ i think vlc is what i need |
| 03:10.17 | bootdaemon | what do i do beside changing the default value in /etc/default/bootlogd to yes?? |
| 03:10.24 | petemc | Muffie: use ssh |
| 03:10.35 | johan | i use proftpd Muffie |
| 03:10.42 | Wyzard | Muffie: Well, you might need to configure it too |
| 03:10.47 | Muffie | petemc: I thought they were for different things |
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| 03:11.09 | bootdaemon | what controls the settings in /etc/default |
| 03:11.11 | Muffie | ok! Im emerging it! :) |
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| 03:11.16 | Muffie | ooops. apt-geting! |
| 03:11.19 | bootdaemon | i never noticed it before!! |
| 03:11.22 | petemc | Muffie: ssh has a subsystem that emulates ftp, except of course its secure |
| 03:11.23 | mattrr | i appear to get this error when i try to enable smart on this drive: |
| 03:11.23 | xToto | hi all |
| 03:11.23 | Wyzard | bootdaemon: you do :-) |
| 03:11.24 | mattrr | hdb: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 03:11.24 | mattrr | hdb: drive_cmd: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=4456449, sector=0 |
| 03:11.27 | resiak | Muffie: You almost gave the game away there... ;) |
| 03:11.33 | johan | yes, normally not much to configure if there are no errors |
| 03:11.35 | rich_ | Sirusx cool. I knew there must be a way. Wyzard had the answer |
| 03:11.41 | Guerin | mattrr: shutdown -fr now |
| 03:11.48 | petemc | mattrr: new disk |
| 03:11.51 | xToto | are there md5sum for netinst images available somewhere? |
| 03:12.03 | mattrr | uh? |
| 03:12.06 | Guerin | petemc's probably right in the long term |
| 03:12.28 | Guerin | mattrr: shutdown and fsck immediately; start looking at prices for a new hdd |
| 03:12.42 | mattrr | smart won't enable at all |
| 03:12.53 | Guerin | xToto: typically linked from the same page you got the netinst image |
| 03:12.59 | mattrr | Error SMART Enable failed: Input/output error |
| 03:12.59 | mattrr | Smartctl: SMART Enable Failed. |
| 03:13.14 | Guerin | mattrr: ok, don't bother with the fsck then |
| 03:13.27 | xToto | guerin: I thought so but, but there's nothing on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 03:13.36 | mattrr | Guerin: could it have anything to do with my drive not being detected by the bios? |
| 03:13.50 | Guerin | mattrr: when the early-warning system that your disk is about to fail fails, that's not a good sign. |
| 03:13.58 | Guerin | mattrr: check your cables. |
| 03:14.09 | johan | Muffie: perhaps read http://www.debianhowto.de/howtos/en/exim4/exim4_intro.html |
| 03:14.13 | mattrr | cables should be fine, the drive is mounted and working |
| 03:14.15 | bootdaemon | cool i see a stopbootdlog in rc2.d but where is the start of the daemon |
| 03:14.22 | Guerin | mattrr: it is NOT working |
| 03:14.37 | wols_ | Guerin: seek errors are not an "early warning system". By then, the drive is already a zombie: it might still appear working a bit, but it's already dead |
| 03:14.37 | mattrr | hrm |
| 03:14.38 | Sirusx | rich_ http://www.videolan.org/doc/videolan-howto/en/videolan-howto-en.html coooooool, and thank you Wyzard |
| 03:15.07 | mattrr | hrm, time to play with this.. |
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| 03:15.12 | Wyzard | Sirusx: np :-) |
| 03:15.14 | Guerin | xToto: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/i386/pre-rc2/MD5SUMS |
| 03:15.26 | Guerin | xToto: for example |
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| 03:15.47 | Guerin | wols_: smart is an early warning system |
| 03:15.57 | Guerin | wols_: or wasn't, in this case |
| 03:16.00 | petemc | wols_: you can get data off a drive with seek errors, whats your point? |
| 03:16.12 | rich_ | Sirusx Well I couldnt do it myself, My wife is paranoid about the bong and I couldnt set it down long enough to be on camera :) But it's good to know it is possible |
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| 03:16.34 | xToto | guerin: thanks! |
| 03:17.22 | xToto | guerin: I'm trying to put sarge on a new box, but it keeps complaining about bad md5sum. the download apparently worked, now trying with single speed burning... |
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| 03:17.52 | Guerin | hrm, cdimage.d.o is running sarge/sid |
| 03:17.58 | Guerin | sarge, I guess |
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| 03:17.59 | Sirusx | rich_ what can we Not do with linux |
| 03:18.20 | _bryce | What's the name of the command that can mark a filesystem clean where it would otherwise be fsck'ed? |
| 03:18.30 | Guerin | Sirusx: lots of things, since linux is a kernel, and on its own it's pretty dull. |
| 03:18.55 | dondelelcaro | _bryce: you generally don't want to do that. You can mark that a filesystem isn't to be fscked even if it isn't clean, though. |
| 03:19.06 | jetscreamer | well you can't run internet explorer... |
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| 03:19.16 | Guerin | jetscreamer: you can in wine |
| 03:19.21 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 03:19.22 | _bryce | dondelelcaro: regardless of generally... how do you do it? |
| 03:19.27 | Guerin | jetscreamer: or vmware, etc. |
| 03:19.55 | _bryce | dondelelcaro: this machine is crashing when you fsck it's filesystem. |
| 03:20.09 | _bryce | dondelelcaro: so it can't boot up. It's kinda a first-things-first issue. |
| 03:20.10 | jetscreamer | the news is talking about fat women who think they look better fat |
| 03:20.24 | jetscreamer | and they try to get fatter |
| 03:20.52 | rich_ | Sirusx It won't yet mow my lawn but maybe some kind of job swapping app that would let people arrange to barter for services from each other will be developed. |
| 03:21.06 | _bryce | I have one... the e2fsck on it also induces a kernel panic. |
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| 03:21.26 | dondelelcaro | _bryce: boot with init=/bin/bash; get the data off, fsck the drives, and go from there. |
| 03:21.33 | rich_ | I havent yet tried ebay |
| 03:21.37 | petemc | _bryce: ermm, so dont fsck it? |
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| 03:22.00 | _bryce | petemc: but it will fsck it when it boots up again on it's own because the filesystem isn't clean. |
| 03:22.08 | _bryce | I'm trying to fix the machine, not just get it's data. |
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| 03:22.30 | petemc | swap out the drive |
| 03:22.40 | dondelelcaro | _bryce: if fsck off of a rescue disk causes a kernel panic, there are serious issues, most likely with the hardware. |
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| 03:22.55 | dondelelcaro | _bryce: well, assuming that you're not running reiser. |
| 03:23.06 | petemc | *pop* |
| 03:23.09 | _bryce | hardware issues? It couldn't just be a bug in fsck? |
| 03:23.20 | petemc | fsck is solid ime |
| 03:24.03 | _bryce | well, I did recently add more ram to the machine in question, but it has worked okay since the upgrade and has just recently started to manifest this problem... |
| 03:24.04 | dondelelcaro | _bryce: I've not had fsck segfault unless it was corrupted, ever. |
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| 03:24.24 | rich_ | I think each fsck is completely different. And whether its solid or not depends on the filesystem. The one for xfs, in example does nothing, which is pretty solid. |
| 03:24.39 | _bryce | it's ext2. |
| 03:24.41 | dondelelcaro | rich_: it is... I'm talking about fsck.ext2 |
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| 03:25.09 | rich_ | Im sorry, They are all solid enough. |
| 03:25.16 | Guerin | ??? |
| 03:25.17 | petemc | rich_: i dont usually factor in exotic filesystems |
| 03:25.20 | rich_ | I didn't mean to cast doubt :) |
| 03:25.54 | _bryce | So, is there no way to lie to it and tell it the fs is clean, for the time being, and have it skip the startup check? At this point it looks like i'm going to be reformatting the drives, and |
| 03:26.00 | _bryce | restoring from a backup, |
| 03:26.14 | Wyzard | rich_: You're saying that XFS's fsck doesn't do anything? |
| 03:26.15 | _bryce | that will be much friendlier if I can boot it to it's semi-normal self and |
| 03:26.31 | _bryce | use the much more pleasant facilites (eg bash) avalible there. |
| 03:26.47 | rich_ | Wyzard from the man page; fsck.xfs - do nothing, successfully |
| 03:27.01 | sussudio | in soviet russia, dishes do you |
| 03:27.06 | dondelelcaro | _bryce: use init=/bin/bash; like I've suggested already. |
| 03:27.11 | _bryce | oh, right. |
| 03:27.13 | _bryce | Sorry. |
| 03:27.16 | petemc | _bryce: recue disks dont mount stuff, whats up? |
| 03:27.31 | Guerin | day of the zombie disk drives |
| 03:27.33 | rich_ | Wyzard and it Always works :) |
| 03:27.51 | Wyzard | rich_: OK, fair enough... I thought you were saying that XFS had no working checker :-) |
| 03:28.00 | Wyzard | rich_: I'd consider xfs_check to be XFS's fsck |
| 03:28.06 | _bryce | petemc: hua? |
| 03:28.13 | _bryce | petemc: They do when you tell them too |
| 03:28.23 | Piggy | youspinmeroundrightround |
| 03:28.43 | rich_ | Wyzard I dont know too much about it even though I use it on my only partition. It never broke so I never had to learn anything about it. |
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| 03:29.13 | bootdaemon | very nice |
| 03:29.17 | _bryce | how do you enter kernel args with lilo? Sorry, first time doing this... |
| 03:29.32 | bootdaemon | that bootlogd setting was exactly what i needed!!! |
| 03:29.42 | petemc | _bryce: read what dondelelcaro said |
| 03:29.48 | hmakholm | _bryce: Just after the name of the kernel you're booting |
| 03:29.54 | Wyzard | rich_: Be careful of power failures... XFS is great for performance, but it does have the quirk that when you shut down abruptly, files which were recently written to sometimes end up corrupted -- full of null bytes, specifically |
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| 03:30.03 | _bryce | hmakholm: yes, that's what I meant... tahnks |
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| 03:30.23 | bootdaemon | i wonder what turned it off. it is set on a fresh install i did of sarge |
| 03:30.30 | Wyzard | rich_: I've had to reinstall a few packages due to that, though fortunately I haven't lost any of my own files |
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| 03:31.26 | Guerin | Wyzard: how recently written to? |
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| 03:31.36 | puff | Evening all. |
| 03:31.58 | sussudio | puff: are you a magic dragon? |
| 03:32.11 | rich_ | Wyzard Interesting. I rely on xfs extreemly heavily. even tjhough I just have one partition, I use swapd and tmpfs extensively, for all downloads, and streams. So it relies on the file system to make swap files so that I can have a huge tmpfs. And xfs performs swimmingly |
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| 03:32.55 | Wyzard | Guerin: dunno, I haven't measured... all I know is that when the power goes out while doing a dist-upgrade, some of the packages being upgraded may have corrupted files |
| 03:32.55 | rich_ | Wyzard Oh the point is, while figuring out how to do that properly, I had a memory crisis or two, and had to shut down improperly, and so far, no trouble |
| 03:32.56 | sussudio | !slay puff |
| 03:33.17 | petemc | i can honestly say ive never once thought about the filesystem any machine i admin uses |
| 03:33.24 | scarynetworkguy | !tube sussudio |
| 03:33.43 | sussudio | !wangstrike scarynetworkguy |
| 03:33.44 | dpkg | A Wang 486 Tower descends from the great colo in the sky, knocking scarynetworkguy to the ground and leaving a large smoldering crater. |
| 03:33.51 | Wyzard | rich_: They might have fixed it... the XFS FAQ has an entry for that problem, and it mentions that it's been fixed, but I saw it happen later than that |
| 03:33.56 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: word. |
| 03:34.09 | Wyzard | rich_: But it was half a year ago so maybe it really *has* been fixed now |
| 03:34.18 | rich_ | Wyzard Well I also use just the bare minimum of xfs modules. None of the features |
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| 03:34.32 | ravenbird | ROOOOT has landed! |
| 03:34.41 | sussudio | ravenbird: shut up |
| 03:34.43 | ravenbird | why should i? |
| 03:34.47 | sussudio | !fix ravenbird |
| 03:35.07 | koke | hey |
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| 03:35.10 | puff | sussudio No, I'm a fractal draogn. |
| 03:35.12 | puff | Dragon, dammit. |
| 03:35.13 | koke | whats up |
| 03:35.28 | koke | this is boooreeddddd |
| 03:35.28 | sussudio | koke: the direction away from the point of gravity |
| 03:35.34 | bootdaemon | !fix clinton |
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| 03:36.00 | koke | mother fuckssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 03:36.05 | sussudio | koke: bye |
| 03:36.18 | sussudio | !seen wifitux |
| 03:36.19 | dpkg | wifitux <~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 3h 2m 38s ago, saying: '!tell wastje about sync'. |
| 03:36.35 | xToto | guerin: guerin: can PIO mode affect the reliability of cdrom/dvd drives? |
| 03:37.18 | sussudio | debian.log.20041102:[04:16] #debian: mode change '+b *!*@233-38-246-201.adsl.terra.cl' by bob2!rob@bob2.user debian.log.20041102:[04:21] #debian: mode change '+b *!*@3-38-246-201.adsl.terra.cl' by helix!~helix@helix.user |
| 03:37.20 | Guerin | xToto: yeah, it can make them a bit flakey, because the data transfer is much slower than under dma |
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| 03:37.22 | sussudio | i knew that looked familiar. |
| 03:37.23 | cyberdrek | !tell cyberdrek about sync |
| 03:37.28 | helix | what the |
| 03:37.37 | sussudio | helix: /lastlog koke |
| 03:37.47 | helix | yeah, already did |
| 03:37.52 | Guerin | !cl |
| 03:37.52 | dpkg | somebody said cl was common lisp |
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| 03:37.53 | petemc | hey helix |
| 03:37.57 | helix | cl is chile |
| 03:38.00 | helix | petemc! :) |
| 03:38.01 | Guerin | hrm, dowsn't tell me where it is |
| 03:38.02 | sussudio | that it is |
| 03:38.02 | xToto | guerin: well, here's my problem... the new box won't read the cds that I put into it. a lot of files are corrupt |
| 03:38.02 | Guerin | ah |
| 03:38.03 | wols_ | Guerin: chile |
| 03:38.16 | irssi | yeah |
| 03:38.17 | petemc | helix: you a dd yet? |
| 03:38.17 | irssi | sux |
| 03:38.19 | xToto | guerin: other boxes will read the same cd without problems |
| 03:38.22 | helix | petemc: no, not yet :) |
| 03:38.29 | Guerin | xToto: that doesn't sound like a pio problem. Does it work in dma/ |
| 03:38.31 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:38.54 | xToto | it didn't have a bios switch for that |
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| 03:39.07 | xToto | is there some option that I should pass to the installer? |
| 03:39.20 | puff | Hm, so, any thoughts on stable vs. testing vs. unstable? |
| 03:39.23 | Guerin | xToto: no, it should be in your kernel. You might try setting it with hdparm |
| 03:39.25 | petemc | helix: ive heard there's a certain amount of prevarication, good luck :) |
| 03:39.34 | helix | petemc: indeed. I'm waiting for an AM atm |
| 03:39.36 | Guerin | puff: one is stable, one is testing, one is unstable. |
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| 03:40.08 | petemc | helix: what have you been packaging? |
| 03:40.12 | helix | lyx |
| 03:40.19 | helix | which I should be working on right now.. |
| 03:40.24 | petemc | heh |
| 03:40.35 | bootdaemon | cool the info was in the sarge wiki faq! |
| 03:40.39 | xToto | guerin: that's not available from the installer though |
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| 03:40.48 | kruzi | why when that chick saves u and u walk to the elevator does she just stand there? where do u go? |
| 03:41.13 | Guerin | xToto: hdparm is in debian; it's not in base. |
| 03:41.29 | Guerin | !confuse kruzi |
| 03:41.29 | dpkg | Yes, how was your ferret today, kruzi? pants of the monarchy of tahiti with extra ham |
| 03:41.33 | xToto | guerin: there's only windows xp on that box so far |
| 03:41.46 | wols_ | Guerin: I think he has problems while installing. at this point, there is no hdparm |
| 03:41.54 | Guerin | ok, that wasn't clear |
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| 03:42.07 | petemc | xToto: #debian-boot |
| 03:42.13 | Guerin | xToto: does the debian cd image etc. work ok in windows? |
| 03:42.55 | xToto | guerin: I'll check |
| 03:43.12 | xToto | guerin: in case it matters: it's a dvd drive on an nforce3 chipset |
| 03:43.39 | Guerin | xToto: that doesn't mean anythign to me; it might to someone elase who knows about 3rd millennium hardware. |
| 03:43.50 | Sirusx | rich_ the vls works fine, but it needs vlc as client |
| 03:43.56 | mwilson | Guerin: It just means he has a crappy motherboard. |
| 03:44.06 | Guerin | mwilson: as I suspected. |
| 03:44.16 | xToto | mwilson: how so? |
| 03:44.42 | mwilson | Guerin: But you're barking up the wrong tree... any device that doesn't work correctly in PIO mode needs to be tossed on the trash heap, not babied. |
| 03:44.51 | rich_ | Sirusx hmm, I see. Your sure helix doesnt do it? |
| 03:44.52 | mwilson | xToto: It's an nforce, isn't it? |
| 03:44.56 | xToto | yes |
| 03:45.06 | mwilson | 'nuff said. |
| 03:45.21 | xToto | well... others got it working with linux too... |
| 03:45.37 | Guerin | mwilson: right, I'm figuring it's a broken ide controller. |
| 03:45.39 | Sirusx | rich_ helix streams real media files |
| 03:45.56 | Guerin | Sirusx: so does mplayer |
| 03:46.01 | helix | it does? |
| 03:46.07 | petemc | news to me |
| 03:46.19 | puff | Question: I have partitioned my drive, I have a 1024MB boot partition, 256MB swap partition, 40GB and 60GB partitions. My intent is to use the 40GB partition for /, and the 60GB partition for /home. |
| 03:46.20 | petemc | it can play them back |
| 03:46.33 | puff | I just initialized the boot partition as ext2. Do I need to initialize the swap partition? |
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| 03:46.37 | Wyzard | I know mplayer can play Real files... I don't think I've ever streamed one though |
| 03:46.51 | Wyzard | puff: You should use ext2 rather than ext3 |
| 03:46.51 | Yabden | ive got an nforce2 board and dma works fine on it |
| 03:46.51 | Guerin | puff: you have a gig for /boot ? |
| 03:47.03 | petemc | thats a lot of kernels |
| 03:47.06 | Wyzard | oops |
| 03:47.06 | nichos | hi all, trying to play quake3, which i havent run in a long time, probably since linux 2.4. anyway, im using alsa now and when I try to start the game, it just stops at sound init. any ideas? |
| 03:47.08 | Sirusx | Guerin so, it's almost useless! |
| 03:47.12 | petemc | helix: which? :) |
| 03:47.14 | Wyzard | puff: make that ext3 rather than ext2 :-) |
| 03:47.31 | helix | petemc: this is a foundation one.. "that's life" |
| 03:47.33 | Wyzard | nichos: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 03:47.33 | helix | it's ok.. |
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| 03:47.43 | rich_ | helix I love action sports. did you try maniatv? Its mostly lame music videos, but they have surfing and skateing sometimes |
| 03:47.49 | xToto | guerin: it seems that there's no problem reading on windows |
| 03:47.49 | Wyzard | nichos: Q3 uses OSS for sound, so you need to load ALSA's "OSS emulation" driver |
| 03:47.53 | Guerin | Sirusx: what? Mplayer plays everything I can throw at it, including real, wmv, as*, etc. |
| 03:47.56 | helix | rich_: I've never heard of maniatv |
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| 03:48.05 | Sirusx | rich_ i found this http://gini.sourceforge.net/about.html , seems great but is beta, works with real/wmv/mpg/quick time... |
| 03:48.06 | helix | I'd love a channel that had breakdancing and skating on all day |
| 03:48.17 | nichos | Wyzard so that had to be built in the kernel:( |
| 03:48.21 | rich_ | helix mms://stream.maniatv.com/maniatv |
| 03:48.21 | xToto | guerin: there's also no problem booting till the installer comes up, for that matter |
| 03:48.29 | helix | what is mms? |
| 03:48.33 | helix | xmms? |
| 03:48.34 | ugly | is there a simple way to center a string? (from bash, not perl, etc.) |
| 03:48.44 | ugly | center a string given a fixed width |
| 03:48.46 | Guerin | helix: microsoft's streaming protocol, I think |
| 03:48.46 | petemc | helix: cool :) ive a few friends into cinematography, since my back is fucked ive just been surfing, small waves :( |
| 03:48.48 | Wyzard | nichos: If you compiled a custom kernel and left it out entirely, yes. But if you're using a stock Debian kernel, it should be available as a module. |
| 03:48.50 | Sirusx | helix no, windows media stream |
| 03:48.54 | helix | petemc: booo |
| 03:48.59 | petemc | sucks |
| 03:48.59 | peterS | mms = one form of streaming. try helix-player or mplayer.. |
| 03:49.02 | rich_ | helix No, mplayer, xine, mimms |
| 03:49.05 | helix | ok |
| 03:49.10 | nichos | Wyzard damn, custom kernel - well thanks, couldnt find anything in forums/google |
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| 03:49.29 | peterS | oh hey, it's the peterS and petemc show |
| 03:49.30 | rdancer | ugly: mmnt.. |
| 03:49.35 | Wyzard | nichos: snd-pcm-oss is one that you should always build (as a module), just because it's useful to have around |
| 03:49.36 | petemc | :) |
| 03:49.38 | helix | haha. nelly was on |
| 03:49.44 | rich_ | :) |
| 03:49.53 | puff | Guerin Yes, a gig for boot. Is that a mistake? |
| 03:50.00 | nichos | Wyzard im looking at menuconfig, it looks like i did select it |
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| 03:50.13 | ugly | rdancer: is that not packaged or? |
| 03:50.15 | Guerin | puff: at least 980MB of that will be wasted |
| 03:50.17 | puff | Or should I have made that 256MB for boot and a gig for swap? |
| 03:50.20 | Wyzard | nichos: As a module? |
| 03:50.32 | helix | why is this girl wearing roller skates |
| 03:50.36 | peterS | puff: 15 MB for /boot is *plenty* |
| 03:50.38 | Guerin | puff: /boot < 50mb |
| 03:50.42 | puff | Ah. |
| 03:50.44 | xToto | guerin: any ideas? |
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| 03:51.04 | Wyzard | puff: Guerin is talking about a separate partition for the /boot directory... if you're using a single partition for the whole root filesystem 1GB is fine |
| 03:51.09 | Guerin | xToto: no, beats me. Try fucking with some bios settings, ask in #debian-boot like petemc said. |
| 03:51.25 | Guerin | Wyzard: but he's not. |
| 03:51.26 | nichos | Wyzard Open Sound System (DEPRECATED) |
| 03:51.28 | nichos | that one? |
| 03:51.28 | xToto | cd /#debian-boot |
| 03:51.39 | Wyzard | Guerin: ok... just checking, because he was saying "boot", not "/boot" |
| 03:51.41 | helix | OSS++ |
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| 03:51.55 | Wyzard | nichos: No, don't enable OSS... OSS emulation is a module in the ALSA section |
| 03:51.59 | Guerin | nichos: no, the "oss emulation" section in "alsa" in kernel config |
| 03:52.08 | Guerin | helix: ddid you get that mic working in alsa? |
| 03:52.16 | helix | Guerin: no, but it works perfectly in OSS |
| 03:52.24 | helix | so basically, screw alsa |
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| 03:52.26 | puff | So the downside to this approach is what, primarily wasted space? |
| 03:52.33 | Guerin | helix: did you complain to the people at the alsa project? |
| 03:52.39 | helix | Guerin: no |
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| 03:53.06 | helix | I'm not beholden to alsa.. so if oss works, I'm not going to bitch at alsa maintainers |
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| 03:53.14 | petemc | helix: http://www.yerma.org/surf3/3.html - me, with a giant head |
| 03:53.15 | puff | What's a reasonable swap size? |
| 03:53.30 | peterS | puff: the old saw about twice your physical memory is a good start |
| 03:53.31 | puff | This box has 768M of ram. |
| 03:53.36 | simmerz | why would sound from my bttv card go into my sb live card but only output to speakers and not the headphones coming from the livedrive, where all other sound from the machine works fine through the headphones |
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| 03:53.38 | nichos | Wyzard CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL=y is what i have |
| 03:53.39 | helix | petemc: why is your head so huge? |
| 03:53.41 | peterS | puff: how much can you afford to waste on swap? |
| 03:53.53 | puff | peterS: It's a 200GB drive. |
| 03:53.53 | nichos | Wyzard does it have to be a module? |
| 03:53.59 | peterS | puff: the other thing is, you don't have to decide now. you can add swap *files* later, after partitioning, if you see the need |
| 03:54.00 | petemc | helix: my friend is quite a character, i think its funny |
| 03:54.01 | puff | Ah, okay, so it sounds like I got my notes on /boot and /swap reversed. |
| 03:54.05 | Wyzard | puff: Amount of RAM you wish you had, minus amount of RAM you actually have :-) |
| 03:54.12 | xToto | guerin: there's nobody alive in that channel... |
| 03:54.21 | Wyzard | nichos: No, but it's best to build such things as modules unless you have a specific need to compile them in |
| 03:54.24 | helix | petemc: that explains your orkut pic |
| 03:54.26 | rich_ | puff I have half a gig of ram, and I dont run too many servers, I dont have users besides myself and so swapd is sufficient. It makes swap files as they are needed and so I get by without a swap partition. |
| 03:54.31 | peterS | puff: so you might just do no swap *partitions* at all |
| 03:54.31 | petemc | yeah :) |
| 03:54.32 | nichos | Wyzard might this be my problem here? |
| 03:54.47 | puff | Well, I expect this to be a general use box with a dozen or so users... |
| 03:55.01 | puff | Basically your typical soho linux server, except it'll be colocated. |
| 03:55.19 | Wyzard | puff: I have 768MB RAM... I've run my system with no swap, and I've run it with 12GB of swap |
| 03:55.24 | puff | Er, so _not_ typical soho in that it won't be a printserver or fileserver, but email, web server, etc. |
| 03:55.39 | peterS | petemc: modchips? |
| 03:55.42 | puff | Okay, so 256MB of boot and 1GB of swap is probably more reasonable? |
| 03:55.54 | petemc | peterS: yeah |
| 03:55.56 | peterS | puff: 16 MB of boot and 1 GB of swap is reasonable |
| 03:56.00 | helix | rich_: btw, this is pretty cool. thanks. |
| 03:56.02 | puff | Okay. |
| 03:56.04 | puff | BRB. |
| 03:56.06 | peterS | puff: there's no reason for /boot to go over 30 MB or so, IMHO |
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| 03:56.15 | rdancer | what's that swiss-army-knife formatting tool that is not in textutils? |
| 03:56.21 | Wyzard | nichos: If you don't have it at all, that's a reason for it to be unavailable |
| 03:56.23 | rich_ | puff My computer runs like a dream, but because Im on thin ice anyway in recomending people go swapless, Id say that because you dont know, what those other users will demand you probably need a swap partition. |
| 03:56.24 | Guerin | rdancer: perl? |
| 03:56.33 | rdancer | Guerin: nope, textutil-like |
| 03:56.48 | nichos | Wyzard well, its as Y, not a module |
| 03:56.53 | Wyzard | rdancer: awk? |
| 03:57.13 | Wyzard | nichos: Should work, then... cat something to /dev/dsp and see if you hear noise |
| 03:57.29 | rdancer | it's a text filter, reformating the input according to cmdline options |
| 03:57.29 | petemc | peterS: its great hardware to play with |
| 03:57.37 | nichos | Wyzard yeah, made a bad noise:) |
| 03:57.42 | Wyzard | rdancer: either sed or awk |
| 03:57.50 | rich_ | puff But maybe, whatever swap partition size you choose, you might not make it very big and run swapd, in case more is needed |
| 03:57.58 | Wyzard | nichos: OK, then OSS emulation is indeed working... dunno why Quake isn't, because it works fine for me |
| 03:58.01 | peterS | petemc: really? I thought xboxes were not that great of hardware in today's world |
| 03:58.05 | rdancer | Guerin, Wyzard: how do you center a text with sed/awk/perl? |
| 03:58.12 | nichos | Wyzard worst answer ever:) |
| 03:58.29 | nichos | Wyzard ah well, guess ill play something else |
| 03:58.37 | Guerin | rdancer: dunno :) |
| 03:58.52 | rdancer | !lose Guerin |
| 03:58.52 | dpkg | Guerin: You Lose. |
| 03:58.55 | petemc | peterS: for whats demanded of them, playing divx or emulating an older console, its perfect |
| 03:59.02 | peterS | petemc: oh, sure |
| 03:59.05 | Wyzard | rdancer: Answering that would require referring to my sed book, which is currently buried in a box somewhere because I'm repainting my room and had to empty the shelves :-) |
| 03:59.08 | tct_linux | !http_proxy |
| 03:59.08 | dpkg | http_proxy is, like, export 'http_proxy=http://PROXY:port/' -- It can be used with apt-get or lynx or wget - the trailing slash is important!, or export 'http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/' if you need to authenticate |
| 03:59.11 | Guerin | rdancer: dude, I lost AGES ago |
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| 03:59.42 | tct_linux | where would I type this? http_proxy=http://username:password@proxy:port/ |
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| 03:59.53 | rdancer | Wyzard: so, you can't really sed, can you? |
| 03:59.56 | nichos | Wyzard thanks for the help though |
| 04:00.00 | Guerin | tct_linux: you have to precede it with export |
| 04:00.12 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: you need to know how wide the output is, then you compute the length, divide that by two, and stick out width/2-length/2 spaces. |
| 04:00.16 | Guerin | tct_linux: and you can type it into a shell, or put it in .bashrc |
| 04:00.28 | Wyzard | nichos: If you're looking for something else to play, I recently installed zsnes and started playing Final Fantasy 3, and I'd recommend either that or Chrono Trigger |
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| 04:00.38 | tct_linux | type this at a command prompt? |
| 04:00.44 | Guerin | tct_linux: yes |
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| 04:01.04 | Wyzard | rdancer: No, I don't use sed much |
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| 04:01.33 | hmakholm | dondelelcaro: The trick asked for seems to be doing it with sed. |
| 04:01.48 | rdancer | while read a; do for i in `seq 0 $(expr $(echo -n "$a" | wc -L) / 2)`; do echo -n ' '; echo "$a"; done |
| 04:01.49 | dondelelcaro | hmakholm: <rdancer> Guerin, Wyzard: how do you center a text with sed/awk/perl? |
| 04:02.19 | beowu1f | anyone using wireless lan here??? |
| 04:02.24 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 04:02.24 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:02.26 | hmakholm | Yes. Awk and perl are trivial, but the sed variant will take ingenuity. |
| 04:02.46 | xToto | anyone here running sarge on an nforce3 chipset? |
| 04:03.01 | dondelelcaro | no, no one runs sarge on nforce3s. |
| 04:03.05 | rdancer | ugly: this should do. but there is a dedicated tool for this. it's mentioned somewhere in the vim manual, probably close to text formatting. but i really can't find it now, sorry. |
| 04:03.23 | ugly | rdancer: I found a way to do it with awk :P |
| 04:03.33 | rdancer | ugly: show me |
| 04:03.38 | ugly | rdancer: awk '{l=length();s=int((79-l)/2); printf "%"(s+l)"s\n",$0}' <file> |
| 04:03.49 | ugly | rdancer: http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 04:03.53 | puff | Okay, got everything partitioned, initialized and mounted. Now... selecting modules. |
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| 04:04.02 | ugly | rdancer: pretty ugly, but it works! :) |
| 04:04.28 | rdancer | eh, %<n>s works? |
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| 04:04.45 | rdancer | it's not ugly, it's the way i would code it 8-)) |
| 04:04.48 | ugly | rdancer: frankly, I have very little idea what's going on in it, but I tested it out and it does seem to work |
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| 04:05.43 | hmakholm | Or just awk '{printf "%"((length()+79)/2)"s\n",$0}' |
| 04:06.18 | ugly | hmakholm: ah neat |
| 04:06.21 | ugly | less ugly :P |
| 04:07.39 | rdancer | well, it's not less ugly, only less comprehensible |
| 04:07.54 | ugly | heh |
| 04:07.56 | jetscreamer | looks more elegant |
| 04:08.04 | ugly | it's shorter! |
| 04:08.13 | ugly | and since I don't understand it either way... :) |
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| 04:08.21 | puff | Hm, this looks like a pretty readable tutorial: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-debian2 |
| 04:08.22 | puff | Opinions? |
| 04:08.35 | rdancer | given that the one-liner is for people to copy-n-paste, the comprehensibility is very important -- unless you're happy with running random code from whenever on the 'net |
| 04:09.35 | Guerin | puff: /msg dpkg reference ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 04:09.39 | ugly | yea those dangerous printf lines |
| 04:09.44 | hmakholm | rdancer: Then what about awk '{printf "%"(40-length()/2)"s%s\n","",$0}' |
| 04:09.49 | glick | excuse me, im trying to customize my XF86Config file but in the section "Module" it loads like 20 things, im not sure what they do |
| 04:09.54 | glick | where can i find out what they all do |
| 04:09.55 | glick | and mean |
| 04:10.08 | glick | like ddc, and extmod, and int10 and vbe etc |
| 04:10.10 | Guerin | glick: x documentation |
| 04:10.29 | rdancer | hmakholm: you didn't read what i just wrote, did you? |
| 04:10.52 | puff | Heh: If software was sold by the kilogram, then Debian would fetch top dollar. |
| 04:11.03 | hmakholm | rdancer: Um, yes - thus the rewrite to become more understandable |
| 04:11.03 | dav` | ;) |
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| 04:11.19 | rdancer | hmakholm: and you need dto s/,""// |
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| 04:11.24 | rdancer | s/dto/to/ |
| 04:11.45 | PuGz | hey everyone... trying to compile MPlayer... its the first thing i have tried to compile since installation. wat packages do i need to do a standard compilation? i have gcc libc6 fakeroot |
| 04:11.46 | rdancer | hmakholm: by introducing a magic constant? |
| 04:12.09 | Guerin | puff: why compile it? |
| 04:12.15 | puff | Funny, somebody was just talking to me about MPlayer last night, something about the debian crew and the Mplayer guy getting into a pissing match about stupid licensing. |
| 04:12.18 | petemc | !tell PuGz about marillat |
| 04:12.23 | puff | Guerin: Compile what? |
| 04:12.27 | hmakholm | rdancer: Magic? 40 is the column you want it centered about |
| 04:12.29 | Guerin | !tell puff about mplayer legal saga |
| 04:12.32 | puff | Oh, you meant PugZ. |
| 04:12.34 | rdancer | !tell PuGz about mplayer |
| 04:12.39 | PuGz | cheers |
| 04:12.39 | Guerin | puff: sorry, my bad nick completion |
| 04:12.46 | rdancer | hmakholm: eh, why 40? |
| 04:12.51 | Guerin | puff: the mplayer legal saga was for you, though |
| 04:12.55 | puff | Nosweat. |
| 04:13.00 | puff | Yeah... that sounds about right. |
| 04:13.13 | puff | that is, that sounds about like what the guy was telling me, last night. |
| 04:13.24 | jetscreamer | btw it seems that nick completion changed... why doesn't it work like at a bash console, stops when there's a fork? |
| 04:13.34 | jetscreamer | i thought it used to |
| 04:13.38 | rdancer | hmakholm: the screen is 80 chars wide. that's comprehensible. having to divide it by 2 is not. |
| 04:13.58 | Guerin | jetscreamer: irssi never did that for me |
| 04:14.00 | hmakholm | rdancer: My screen is 1280 pixels wide. How much that works out to in chars depends. |
| 04:14.01 | PuGz | ok... thanx for that link guys! but what about when i want to compile something else? like a new kernel? wat packages will i need to compile? |
| 04:14.05 | Guerin | jetscreamer: though it can, if needed |
| 04:14.15 | sussudio | !b-e PuGz |
| 04:14.15 | dpkg | PuGz: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 04:14.18 | rdancer | jetscreamer: that would suck. just imagine your very nick |
| 04:14.18 | puff | Heh... I'm liking this tutorial more and more as I read it, the author seems to have a pretty good sense of humor. |
| 04:14.43 | jetscreamer | it's just one day it seemed to start autocompleating the incorrect nick, takes the first it finds or something (xchat here) |
| 04:14.44 | PuGz | dpkg: thanx mate! |
| 04:14.44 | dpkg | pas de quoi, PuGz |
| 04:14.46 | Guerin | puff: because humour is easily the most important thing in a tutorial |
| 04:14.53 | Phated | Who needs humour. |
| 04:14.55 | rdancer | hmakholm: eh, sure. that's why God introduced $COLUMNS |
| 04:15.06 | PuGz | exactly what i wanted |
| 04:15.13 | PuGz | ~dpkg: what does pas de quoi mean? |
| 04:15.13 | dpkg | PuGz: i don't know |
| 04:15.16 | jetscreamer | PuGz, you thank dpkg by typing !botsnack |
| 04:15.30 | jetscreamer | and thanks |
| 04:15.32 | PuGz | fair enough |
| 04:15.34 | jetscreamer | dpkg, thanks |
| 04:15.34 | dpkg | jetscreamer: de nada |
| 04:15.35 | rich_ | I need lahgter. I once promised not to laugh and it almost killed me :) |
| 04:15.38 | PuGz | !botsnack |
| 04:15.38 | dpkg | thanks, PuGz |
| 04:15.54 | PuGz | ok... what does it do? |
| 04:16.02 | jetscreamer | nothing |
| 04:16.11 | jetscreamer | it's caled random praise in the log |
| 04:16.12 | Phated | It's a bot, who cares what it does. |
| 04:16.12 | Guerin | it makes the bot happy |
| 04:16.19 | rdancer | jetscreamer: press the tab more times. should autocomplete the most/last used |
| 04:16.23 | Guerin | if he can be happy |
| 04:16.38 | Phated | Yeah yeah sure, "as long as the bot's happy!" |
| 04:16.50 | jetscreamer | ahhh rdancer yer right |
| 04:16.54 | hmakholm | Is the bot documented anywhere or is it purely oral (ircal?) lore? |
| 04:17.05 | Guerin | hmakholm: he's a blootbot. |
| 04:17.05 | jetscreamer | ~lart Phated |
| 04:17.13 | Phated | !kill jetscreamer |
| 04:17.18 | Guerin | hmakholm: ask him in /msg about blootbot and my factoids |
| 04:17.20 | jetscreamer | !comfort Phated |
| 04:17.21 | dpkg | There, there, Phated. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:17.30 | Phated | See? Nothing more than tools, tools! |
| 04:17.34 | rich_ | hmakholm its a blootbot. You can install one and run it yourself if you want. |
| 04:17.38 | rdancer | !irritate Guerin |
| 04:17.39 | dpkg | Guerin: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my mepis werkz U FUX0RZ |
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| 04:17.49 | puff | Guerin You bet. |
| 04:17.50 | Guerin | !nonsense rdancer |
| 04:17.51 | petemc | hmakholm: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 04:17.51 | dpkg | rdancer: Hi, how can am checked the processes to my runlevels are !!!???? |
| 04:17.58 | jetscreamer | !info supybot |
| 04:18.03 | hmakholm | Ok,ok, I got the message |
| 04:18.05 | dpkg | supybot: (robust and user friendly Python IRC bot), section net, is optional. Version: 0.79.9999+0.80.0pre2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 454 kB, Installed size: 2228 kB |
| 04:18.08 | PuGz | can i enquire as to what window manager everyone here uses? |
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| 04:18.19 | Phated | Don't ask. |
| 04:18.20 | puff | PuGz: screen. |
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| 04:18.22 | jetscreamer | i uses ntoskernel |
| 04:18.24 | spr0ng | We are sorry to advise that Canon Canada does not develop nor support drivers for our products in the Linux operating system. |
| 04:18.24 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 04:18.28 | petemc | PuGz: everyone uses gnome |
| 04:18.33 | Phated | HAH! |
| 04:18.36 | scarynetworkguy | PuGz: no |
| 04:18.37 | sussudio | !blame canada |
| 04:18.41 | PuGz | hehe |
| 04:18.45 | Guerin | spr0ng: what camera do you have? |
| 04:18.48 | PuGz | fair nough |
| 04:18.53 | petemc | if not why not |
| 04:18.56 | glick | damn i dont see documentation anywhere on the individual modules |
| 04:18.56 | Guerin | spr0ng: I presume it's a camera |
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| 04:19.07 | jetscreamer | uname -r 2.6.9.3.869.777 |
| 04:19.10 | rich_ | PuGz fvwm, because I dont believe a window manager should be complicated. I like them invisible. |
| 04:19.10 | Guerin | glick: #xfree86 |
| 04:19.17 | glick | i have no idea what ddc or record do and cant find them easily on the xfree86 website |
| 04:19.18 | rdancer | PuGz: ratpoison rocks. or ion. |
| 04:19.18 | spr0ng | canon says all its products...must mean them all |
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| 04:19.31 | jetscreamer | fuck canon |
| 04:19.32 | Phated | PuGz: XFCE4 or Fluxbox or Sawfish or Sapphire. |
| 04:19.37 | PuGz | rich_: i agree |
| 04:19.38 | peterS | glick: DDC is for monitor plug n play |
| 04:19.40 | spr0ng | yes ....fuck canon |
| 04:19.47 | jetscreamer | if it's true of course |
| 04:19.50 | PuGz | rdancer: i like them... but they are a bit too invisible for me! |
| 04:19.51 | spr0ng | its a printer |
| 04:19.53 | jetscreamer | if not, then ok |
| 04:19.56 | Guerin | spr0ng: I know plenty of canon devices which work with the linnux kernel ... just because they don't develop or support drivers doesn't mean that they don't work |
| 04:19.58 | rich_ | PuGz Another thing to consider about fvwm is longevity, and tradition |
| 04:20.13 | Guerin | spr0ng: check linux-printing.org |
| 04:20.13 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 04:20.22 | spr0ng | Guerin: the printer doesnt work...ive been there |
| 04:20.35 | Guerin | spr0ng: well then, fuck canon is all I can say. |
| 04:20.38 | PuGz | cool |
| 04:20.44 | PuGz | i will try out fvwm |
| 04:20.44 | PuGz | and maybe screen |
| 04:20.51 | Guerin | screen pwnz |
| 04:20.58 | PuGz | i LOVE gnome... but it is a bit too intensive for my 266 MHz |
| 04:21.01 | puff | pwnz? |
| 04:21.09 | Guerin | I'm considering going console-only on this ole box |
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| 04:21.18 | Phated | Sweet. |
| 04:21.24 | puff | PuGz While I wasn't kidding about screen, I don't think it's what you're looking for. |
| 04:21.27 | spr0ng | Guerin: well then yes...fuck canon |
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| 04:21.30 | jetscreamer | PuGz, icewm is cool and light |
| 04:21.34 | Phated | PuGz: You do know screen isn't an actual WM. |
| 04:21.36 | Guerin | !mhallsmite canon |
| 04:21.36 | dpkg | Fuck canon. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 04:21.40 | PuGz | console only is hard when looking at webpages... sooner or later u just want images! |
| 04:21.45 | peterS | Guerin: I've got no patience for laggy guis - I always go console-only if the box doesn't have a certain amount of muscle |
| 04:21.45 | Guerin | Phated: yes it is. |
| 04:21.47 | PuGz | puff: ok |
| 04:21.54 | Phated | Guerin: BAH |
| 04:21.58 | PuGz | Phated: no... i didnt |
| 04:21.59 | puff | Guerin: Except for web browsing, I think I could happily live with console-only. |
| 04:22.13 | Yabden | its all about links -g |
| 04:22.17 | rdancer | dpkg, rio is also Plan 9 window system |
| 04:22.17 | dpkg | rdancer: okay |
| 04:22.18 | Phated | PuGz: Riight... Yeah sure di as you will. |
| 04:22.18 | jetscreamer | elinks some version does pictures doesn't it? |
| 04:22.26 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, the sticking point for me is pretty much web |
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| 04:22.29 | peterS | jetscreamer: yeah, as Yabden just said, links -g |
| 04:22.31 | PuGz | when i apt-cache search icewm... i get a whole bunch of different types of icewm... like experimental and crap... which one do u suggest i get? |
| 04:22.34 | Phated | links2 -g is where it's at! :) |
| 04:22.35 | peterS | jetscreamer: that's for links2 |
| 04:22.38 | rich_ | PuGz fvwm isnt really lite, but its fast enough just by eliminateing the silly things, and it keeps the really spiffy things like active borders, and multiple desktops |
| 04:22.38 | Guerin | peterS: but I'm pretty sure I could work it out |
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| 04:22.56 | jetscreamer | pugz, the one that says icewm (not the others) but get the themes too |
| 04:23.20 | PuGz | how does it display images? i gotta check this out |
| 04:23.23 | puff | Question: I'm at the stage of picking packages to install. Any recommendations? |
| 04:23.24 | jetscreamer | also xfce is cool, dunno how resource intensive though |
| 04:23.41 | puff | Or should I just page through this long list, picking stufF? |
| 04:23.52 | rdancer | jetscreamer: should be quite slim -- that's one of their objectives |
| 04:23.52 | PuGz | jetscreamer: cool, thanx |
| 04:23.54 | jetscreamer | puff is this d-i or woody |
| 04:23.57 | rdancer | s/slim/lightweight/ |
| 04:23.59 | puff | d-i? |
| 04:24.06 | puff | The installer is woody 2.4. |
| 04:24.08 | Phated | XFCE4 is slimmish. |
| 04:24.12 | jetscreamer | di-, beta sarge installer... |
| 04:24.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:24.14 | Guerin | xfce4 is pretty light - fatter than *box, but much lighter than gnome/kde |
| 04:24.15 | puff | Ah. |
| 04:24.17 | PuGz | xfce4 will run fine.... its just gnome and kde are quite heavy |
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| 04:24.19 | jetscreamer | that's dselect then |
| 04:24.32 | jetscreamer | dselect rox in sid but ppl will tell you it sux |
| 04:24.36 | hmakholm | puff: Don't select anything now, then apt-get install aptitude and use that instead |
| 04:24.37 | puff | I probably need to a) tweak the disk config so the machine can see the rest of the 200GB disk. |
| 04:24.39 | rdancer | oh, swedes can go really loud when drunk & drugged, it seems... |
| 04:24.46 | jetscreamer | puff to search, hit the / |
| 04:24.55 | puff | and b) upgrade to the most recent kernel, and decide if I'm going on testing or unstable. |
| 04:25.03 | PuGz | jetscreamer: i quite like rox |
| 04:25.06 | puff | And then c) install the rest of the applications. |
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| 04:25.12 | rich_ | PuGz I might be married to fvwm because it seemed like all the ones smaller, lacked something that I really needed. Its probably best to try them all |
| 04:25.14 | scarynetworkguy | XFCE4 rules. |
| 04:25.17 | rdancer | puff: you can have 2.6 in woody |
| 04:25.20 | jetscreamer | puff, if you're gonna up to sid or sarge, don't install anything |
| 04:25.29 | randey | how to add xfce4 to gdm? |
| 04:25.36 | puff | So sid is unstable? |
| 04:25.42 | jetscreamer | puff, get it after you dist-upgrade or you'll be d/ling stuff twice |
| 04:25.45 | PuGz | enlightenment doesnt show in my gdm? |
| 04:25.46 | hmakholm | puff: yes, by definition |
| 04:25.54 | scarynetworkguy | PuGz: did you install it? |
| 04:25.54 | PuGz | hehe similar question |
| 04:26.01 | puff | hmakholm I understand the concept, just trying to get the toystory->version mappings down. |
| 04:26.06 | PuGz | yes |
| 04:26.09 | jetscreamer | sid is unsatable but it is more like a state of flux rather than doesn't work... sometimes it borks, but rarely nowadays |
| 04:26.12 | PuGz | apt-get install enlightenment |
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| 04:26.13 | petemc | randey: install it |
| 04:26.17 | jetscreamer | heh unstable |
| 04:26.28 | puff | Okay, so I'll skip the packages and go to the next step. |
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| 04:26.34 | rdancer | jetscreamer: don't lie please |
| 04:26.36 | jetscreamer | pugz, no it's wierd like that |
| 04:26.45 | xToto | anyone here running sarge on an nforce3 chipset? |
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| 04:26.49 | randey | petemc: installed |
| 04:26.54 | jetscreamer | rdancer, that's no lie, at least for my hardware/setup |
| 04:27.04 | randey | it is there in /etc/X11/gdm |
| 04:27.05 | rdancer | jetscreamer: unstable breakes for real, and on a regular basis. viz vim last week, or /topic |
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| 04:27.29 | PuGz | ok guys ... thanx for all the help! i am off to have lunch! i gotta say i just love debian unstable tho! it rocks! |
| 04:27.30 | jetscreamer | rdancer, hence the my hardware/setup.. vim sucks for me. |
| 04:27.42 | rdancer | ~info sed |
| 04:27.56 | rich_ | PuGz testing is better :) |
| 04:28.11 | jetscreamer | heh sed was nothing, it broke i fixed it with the help of somebody here took 30 secnds |
| 04:28.21 | jetscreamer | oneline... but anyway |
| 04:28.28 | jetscreamer | we agreeit does break |
| 04:28.28 | rdancer | jetscreamer: in other words, you don't apt-get upgrade... |
| 04:28.48 | jetscreamer | rdancer, i apt-get dist-upgrade even |
| 04:28.57 | Phated | No, you're supposed to apt-get dist-upgrade anyways. :) |
| 04:29.03 | puff | Waitasec, this is kernels/drivers/net modules... I should probably install some sort of network stuff so the installer can get the rest of what it needs, right? |
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| 04:29.23 | jono | how can I see if I am running X.org or XFree86? |
| 04:29.23 | ricochet | does anyone know where I can get a deb for ivtv? I tried compiling from source, but it wants a ../linux/modversions.h but the only one I can find is ../config/modversions.h and it doesnt like that one. I had this working before by using a modversions.h from a 2.4 tree, but it doesnt appear to work anymore. any suggestions? |
| 04:29.25 | Phated | puff: No shit, install the module for your NIC. |
| 04:29.36 | puff | Phated You're a big help :-). |
| 04:29.39 | rdancer | ~search ivtv |
| 04:29.48 | Phated | jono: You're not likely to be running x.org unless you compiled it yourself. |
| 04:30.03 | Phated | puff: I was pretty much stating the obvious. :/ |
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| 04:30.10 | rdancer | !x.org |
| 04:30.10 | dpkg | <daniels> x.org won't make it into sid for at least a while, possibly ever. right now we're working on making the modular tree (fd.o) actually work and be useful with the xfree86/xorg drivers, and that's where debian is probably going. Ask me about 'xorg' for more up-to-date information. http://tinyurl.com/5uo7a, or http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 04:30.11 | jono | Phated, this is on a seperate system |
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| 04:30.14 | jetscreamer | puff the writer of many nic modules has stuff about what module for which nic/chipset over on http://scyld.com/network.html |
| 04:30.28 | puff | Okay, so I gotta figure out which NIC... ah. |
| 04:30.30 | puff | Okay, jet. |
| 04:31.03 | Phated | jono: *shrugs* Ask the sysadmin or start X -version. |
| 04:31.19 | guestish | why does debian use 3.3.5? |
| 04:31.26 | jetscreamer | gcc? |
| 04:31.28 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 04:31.34 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: 3.3.5 what? |
| 04:31.34 | guestish | according to the gcc homepage 3.4.3 is out |
| 04:31.37 | guestish | gcc |
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| 04:31.54 | guestish | heck there is no 3.3.5... |
| 04:31.55 | Wyzard | guestish: GCC 3.4 has an ABI change... they're probably waiting until after the sarge release |
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| 04:32.11 | jetscreamer | what's ABI |
| 04:32.19 | Phated | Yeah, or it'll be in sid sometime soon. |
| 04:32.20 | guestish | Wyzard: oh, ok |
| 04:32.27 | glick | when will debian put firefox into testing for crying out laud |
| 04:32.35 | guestish | cause it came out like 4 months ago... |
| 04:32.38 | glick | firefox pre 1.0 has security holes |
| 04:32.41 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: Application Binary Interface... in short, code compiled with GCC 3.4 can't be linked with code compiled with earlier versions |
| 04:32.45 | jetscreamer | glick, after sarge goes stable |
| 04:33.02 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 04:33.04 | guestish | yeah, like sarge will go stable... |
| 04:33.05 | jetscreamer | thx Wyzard |
| 04:33.09 | guestish | thats a laugh |
| 04:33.29 | Phated | glick: You can do a homedir install, no one's stopping you. |
| 04:33.30 | jetscreamer | guestish, sarge WILL be in stable by dec 2005 |
| 04:33.38 | guestish | jetscreamer: hah |
| 04:33.41 | Phated | Really. |
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| 04:33.52 | jetscreamer | (god i hope it's there by then eh) |
| 04:33.58 | guestish | jetscreamer: when pigs fly |
| 04:33.59 | glick | Phated, cant i just pin it to unstable and then upgrade it that way |
| 04:34.09 | jetscreamer | sure you could |
| 04:34.15 | Phated | glick: Sure, go on. |
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| 04:34.17 | rdancer | glick: so have 0.8 & 0.9 |
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| 04:34.34 | jetscreamer | i purged ff the other day |
| 04:34.36 | glick | rdancer, those have security holes |
| 04:34.37 | rich_ | If sid will always be sid, it would fit the same theme if woody, was always stable and sarge was always testing. All three fit their personalities from the movies |
| 04:34.46 | rdancer | glick: and 1.0 too |
| 04:34.54 | rich_ | I mean if sid is to always be unstable |
| 04:35.14 | jetscreamer | they have a goofy ass name system imo but whatever |
| 04:35.18 | Phated | Er hello you're going to have security holes in like every version of -something-. *shrugs* |
| 04:35.47 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: Well, at least it follows an easily-understandable theme |
| 04:35.57 | Wyzard | I'm curious where the Fedora people got the name "Tettnang" for FC2 |
| 04:36.03 | rdancer | Phated: no, these are known phising issues |
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| 04:36.06 | Phated | Likely as not they just liked Toy Story. |
| 04:36.25 | Phated | rdancer: Lovely. There should be a fix. *shrugs* |
| 04:36.32 | glick | what did debian use before Toy Story? |
| 04:36.38 | jetscreamer | potato |
| 04:36.43 | jetscreamer | some other weird one |
| 04:36.44 | sussudio | Wyzard: not curious enough to do a 5 second google, eh? |
| 04:36.46 | Phated | Nothing, there WAS no Debian before there was Toy Story naming. |
| 04:36.47 | rdancer | Phated: that thing they were able to hide for ~5 years, until someone made it public, independently |
| 04:36.55 | sussudio | !lose Wyzard |
| 04:36.56 | dpkg | Wyzard: You Lose. |
| 04:36.57 | Phated | rdancer: Yeah how nice. |
| 04:37.05 | Phated | jetscreamer: Potato -is- from Toy Story. |
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| 04:37.29 | glick | so debian is a fairly young distro |
| 04:37.40 | glick | unlike suse and slack |
| 04:37.44 | Wyzard | sussudio: Not really, because I just thought of it at the moment :-) |
| 04:37.44 | Phated | Yeah. |
| 04:37.45 | dondelelcaro | the early releases didn't have codenames |
| 04:37.49 | Wyzard | apparently it's a city though |
| 04:37.54 | dondelelcaro | glick: and no, Debian is one of the oldest distributions. |
| 04:38.01 | Phated | They started codenaming when? After 2.0? |
| 04:38.05 | dondelelcaro | Phated: 1.1 |
| 04:38.14 | exhaust | how do i safely remove old kernels? 1 is a kernel image istalled with apt-get and the other was installed during installation.? |
| 04:38.15 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ah thanks. |
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| 04:38.24 | dondelelcaro | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases.en.html |
| 04:38.39 | Phated | Why bother? Kernels don't take up that much space. It's just the source and stuff that does. |
| 04:38.43 | rich_ | what was 1.1 called? |
| 04:38.47 | Wyzard | Toy Story is almost ten years old... it's hard to believe :-) |
| 04:38.51 | z36ra | HA, I figured out dvdrip in cluster mode! |
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| 04:39.01 | Phated | rich_: Bo or something. |
| 04:39.02 | dondelelcaro | rich_: Buzz |
| 04:39.07 | Phated | Gah. |
| 04:39.11 | dondelelcaro | Bo is 1.3 |
| 04:39.16 | Phated | Ah. |
| 04:39.21 | glick | what will they do when they run out of characters |
| 04:39.36 | dondelelcaro | glick: we don't seem to be getting close to running out of them yet. |
| 04:39.39 | Phated | LGM #1, LGM #2, LGM #4631, you get the idea. |
| 04:39.41 | jetscreamer | yeah that's it hamm |
| 04:39.43 | dondelelcaro | glick: there is a relativley large list of them |
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| 04:39.43 | rich_ | sounds familliar, but I dont know if I used it or not. When I left slackware, it seemed like things were comeing out constantly |
| 04:39.45 | morka | hi |
| 04:39.49 | Piggy | O_o |
| 04:39.50 | bbmj_ | glick, it will be "debian reloaded" ! |
| 04:39.55 | Phated | Hah. |
| 04:39.58 | morka | if kill -9 doesn't kill a process what do you do? |
| 04:39.59 | jetscreamer | then debian revolutions? |
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| 04:40.02 | glick | someone should make a distro named after stds and other viruses |
| 04:40.03 | morka | cannot reboot, the machine is remote |
| 04:40.04 | Phated | With the qualiy of THAT movie, no way. |
| 04:40.04 | coywolf | df: `/dev/shm': Function not implemented |
| 04:40.05 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:40.13 | morka | can u unload the module or smth? |
| 04:40.15 | glick | whoohoo ebola 2.3 is going stable |
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| 04:40.21 | morka | mount/umount just get stuck in memory |
| 04:40.25 | morka | won't die, even -9 |
| 04:40.27 | glick | im running herpes 3 |
| 04:40.28 | z36ra | run out of characters? hell sid will always be sid. the rest is inconsecuential. |
| 04:40.42 | z36ra | pardon the speeling |
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| 04:40.53 | jetscreamer | named after virii... wtf does this ebola do |
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| 04:41.22 | Phated | THey're not likely to run out of characters, really. But when it does... Hey we can go on to Finding Nemo! |
| 04:41.33 | glick | its the new sars release |
| 04:41.46 | jetscreamer | oh ok a joke, missed that |
| 04:42.00 | ro0t | debian is all old stuff right? |
| 04:42.01 | jetscreamer | no i want winnie the pooh |
| 04:42.05 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:42.06 | rich_ | Yea, my guess is that if they dont make them all like sid, statically named, they will run out of toy story charactors, and move on to other cartoons, and by the time they run out of cartoon charactors, there wont be any other linux's, so it will be called "linux" |
| 04:42.09 | jetscreamer | go run slack |
| 04:42.12 | Phated | ro0t: Yeah it's all ancient. |
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| 04:42.39 | Wyzard | rich_: There already aren't any other Linuxes. Do you mean distributions of Linux? :-P |
| 04:42.52 | ro0t | are you up 2 the 2.2 kernel? |
| 04:43.02 | jetscreamer | 2.1 |
| 04:43.03 | Phated | No we're still on 2.0, shoo. |
| 04:43.12 | jetscreamer | 2.1 is in experimental |
| 04:43.14 | jetscreamer | :P |
| 04:43.17 | dondelelcaro | Phated: yeah, there have been a couple of threads on it... likely, we (or the RMs) will just pick something else. |
| 04:43.17 | rich_ | Wyzard Yes, that's right |
| 04:43.21 | Phated | No way! I'm getting that. |
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| 04:43.43 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Wheeee. Finding Nemo! I bet you Dory gets chosen first. |
| 04:43.43 | simmerz | i cant get any sound through my headphones from both xawtv or tvtime. but i get sound without problems through speakers |
| 04:43.46 | Fyre-Fighter | are there any free apps that support both read and write access to NTFS under linux? |
| 04:43.54 | guestish | !tell Fyre-Fighter about captive |
| 04:43.55 | scarynetworkguy | Ar you following me? |
| 04:44.02 | sussudio | Fyre-Fighter: no, and you can figure out why. |
| 04:44.06 | guestish | !captive |
| 04:44.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, captive is The first free NTFS read/write filesystem for GNU/Linux. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 04:44.13 | guestish | sussudio: wine |
| 04:44.17 | sussudio | guestish: not free |
| 04:44.19 | Fyre-Fighter | yea, ive beeing trying captive |
| 04:44.27 | sussudio | guestish: wine doesn't do ntfs. wine is a windows api. |
| 04:44.41 | guestish | sussudio: wine emulates the api to run the driver on |
| 04:44.51 | jetscreamer | captive supposedly works, and at any rate is reported to be better than the normal ntfsprogs |
| 04:44.56 | sussudio | guestish: which is very not free |
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| 04:45.08 | bbmj_ | that's one thing that i've wondered for awhile. why is ufs fs surport still experimental? it's an open fs. |
| 04:45.09 | guestish | captive is only the writing, ntfsprogs does everything else |
| 04:45.12 | z36ra | wel I think it's good stuf to transcode a 6G vob to a 1 or 2 gig avi in 45 minutes. |
| 04:45.12 | jetscreamer | but the kernel reads ntfs very well |
| 04:45.23 | Fyre-Fighter | every time i try captive it will say trying, and just sit there, never does anything |
| 04:45.25 | jetscreamer | and the writing does work, but fuxors up the permissions |
| 04:45.27 | guestish | Wyzard: jankratoichvil modified it so it would run |
| 04:45.37 | sussudio | guestish: here's a cluebat. captive doesn't function without a .dll from winNT. |
| 04:45.38 | jetscreamer | (acl's maybe not sure) |
| 04:45.54 | guestish | sussudio: which is included afaik |
| 04:46.08 | sussudio | guestish: which makes it very very very fucking non-free and probably illegal. |
| 04:46.12 | guestish | sussudio: if not it comes with the windows distro you are accessing |
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| 04:46.29 | Wyzard | hehe... "Windows distro" |
| 04:46.30 | guestish | sussudio: it probably just takes it off the windows distro, there is no ntfs w/o windows |
| 04:46.34 | guestish | er, windows version |
| 04:46.39 | guestish | bah, im too used to saying distro ;) |
| 04:46.59 | jetscreamer | windows could be termed a distro i guess :/ |
| 04:47.08 | z36ra | hehe |
| 04:47.09 | guestish | which is perfectly legal |
| 04:47.12 | ro0t | anyone running jfs |
| 04:47.14 | sussudio | guestish: moron |
| 04:47.26 | guestish | sussudio: good for you |
| 04:47.37 | z36ra | jetscreamer: I agree, yet windows sux a lot more |
| 04:47.44 | guestish | if i want your opinion ill ask for it |
| 04:47.51 | sussudio | guestish: how does free == "needs windows" |
| 04:47.54 | sussudio | guestish: fuck off |
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| 04:48.10 | dondelelcaro | sussudio, guestish: take your argument somewhere else, please... or employ /ignore. |
| 04:48.18 | guestish | dondelelcaro: already done |
| 04:48.19 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: he's talking crap |
| 04:48.26 | puff | Well, that was fun. |
| 04:48.30 | guestish | :) |
| 04:48.32 | Phated | Yeeesh. |
| 04:48.44 | guestish | i know, i've never had anyone attack me for something so trivial ;) |
| 04:48.46 | jetscreamer | actually, i never noticed a properly maintained and secured sucky windows box... |
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| 04:48.54 | ro0t | damn angry nerds |
| 04:48.58 | guestish | lol |
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| 04:49.32 | jetscreamer | ro0t, sarge or sid for up to date stuff (mostly up to date) |
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| 04:49.50 | rich_ | guestish tempers are high. I don't know why, but dont blame any one person, it's an epidemic :) |
| 04:50.10 | jetscreamer | it's all the democrats figuring out, finally, that they lost... |
| 04:50.11 | guestish | rich_: well sussido always has a temper so thats nothing new |
| 04:50.26 | guestish | in any case it really doesnt matter |
| 04:50.35 | guestish | all text ;) |
| 04:50.37 | puff | Hm... that's disquieting. |
| 04:51.15 | puff | So I was booting from an install CD... mini CD actually, one of those wallet-sized suckers. |
| 04:51.26 | guestish | ooo, fun |
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| 04:51.48 | juanito | Hi, are there a similar program to webshots for Debian Sarge? |
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| 04:51.51 | puff | And when I was juggling the box, trying to see the network card's make & model, it accidentally unplugged, so I said, what the heck, now's as good a time as any to move the box closer to the functional IRC clinet. |
| 04:52.03 | puff | BUT... now it appears to not be booting off the CD. |
| 04:52.11 | puff | Ah, okay, now I have it. |
| 04:52.18 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 04:52.18 | guestish | heh |
| 04:52.25 | puff | Had to type "H" to boot off the drive. |
| 04:52.34 | puff | Fucking MBA |
| 04:52.37 | jetscreamer | h? |
| 04:52.38 | guestish | you didnt set it in the bios? |
| 04:52.45 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:52.53 | jetscreamer | i hit f8 |
| 04:53.07 | guestish | i just set the boot device priority... |
| 04:53.16 | puff | bf24 at the boot prompt. |
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| 04:53.21 | jetscreamer | i hit f8 i can chose which to boot |
| 04:53.22 | z36ra | did I say I hate bill clinton... opps I mean I got dvdrip to work with 2 other machines in cluster mode. |
| 04:53.25 | puff | I'm not sure what the deal is with this machine... |
| 04:53.30 | jetscreamer | puff use d-i |
| 04:53.33 | Seb | anyone manages to use minicom to connect to a serial console with a 2.6.x kernel ? It works fine with 2.4.27, but with 2.6.9 I get only gibberish in minicom... |
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| 04:53.38 | juanito | hey friends, please,are there a similar program to webshots for Debian Sarge? |
| 04:53.44 | jetscreamer | z36ra++ |
| 04:53.44 | sussudio | !works in 2.4 |
| 04:53.44 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 04:53.46 | puff | Hm, I'm back to "initialize and activate" |
| 04:53.58 | z36ra | z++= |
| 04:54.02 | Seb | i'll happily pay that |
| 04:54.19 | guestish | theres also a 20 dollar surcharge for shipping and handling ;) |
| 04:54.21 | dondelelcaro | juanito: what does webshots even do? |
| 04:54.25 | jetscreamer | juanito, apt-cache search <searchterm> maybe might help |
| 04:54.25 | Fyre-Fighter | since captive is no longer supported or updated, would FUSE be the better alternative? |
| 04:54.29 | sussudio | !webshots |
| 04:54.43 | z36ra | wth is a webshot? |
| 04:54.49 | guestish | dunno |
| 04:54.58 | sussudio | whatever it is, it doesn't appear to be in debian. |
| 04:55.02 | jetscreamer | Fyre-Fighter, why not just use ext2fs when in windows to copy files to ntfs |
| 04:55.03 | FieldySnuts | not using a lame filesystem like ntfs is the solution |
| 04:55.06 | dondelelcaro | juanito: if you mean gallery software, you probably want something like libapache-gallery-perl |
| 04:55.34 | z36ra | oh ntfs is great if it has a good OS |
| 04:55.43 | peterS | juanito: webshots is a service, not just a client, so ask the service provider if they provide a Linux client |
| 04:55.48 | Fyre-Fighter | jetscreamer: i dont have any windows left (thats the way i want to keep it), but i need to have access to these HDs |
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| 04:55.54 | FieldySnuts | you just informed us of your clued-in percentage, thanks for clearing that up |
| 04:56.04 | MoonSweep | hello |
| 04:56.20 | dondelelcaro | Fyre-Fighter: well, you've got RO access, so take the data off, reformat, and away you go |
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| 04:56.42 | Fyre-Fighter | dondelelcaro: no where to put the data while i reformat it |
| 04:57.01 | z36ra | ahh clood-in wonder if thats like cloop. |
| 04:57.04 | peterS | Fyre-Fighter: that's a problem, then |
| 04:57.18 | z36ra | sounds funny anyway |
| 04:57.23 | MoonSweep | I have a problem with /etc/network/if-up.d under Debian (mixed stable/testing system). I put a script in this directory but it's not called when I bring up an interface. |
| 04:57.26 | Fyre-Fighter | i agree, hence the reason im lookin for alternatives around this |
| 04:57.27 | dondelelcaro | Fyre-Fighter: *shrug* You're boned then. |
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| 04:57.40 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yeah hi to you too. |
| 04:57.44 | FieldySnuts | Phated: hehe hi |
| 04:57.50 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: FUSE? |
| 04:58.16 | peterS | guestish: FUSE is a filesystem framework where you can farm out the back end to a userspace process |
| 04:58.17 | jetscreamer | i shuffled about 12 gigs of data today around 3 hd's so i could clear out an ntfs drive and reformat it |
| 04:58.39 | Seb | ok, another question then :) Can I prevent irrsi to open a query window is the message contains say the word 'webcma' ? |
| 04:58.45 | guestish | peterS: how would you use that for ntfs access? |
| 04:58.48 | Seb | webcam |
| 04:58.51 | FieldySnuts | once a disk has ntfs on it, the Evil Bit (TM) is set in the MBR and the disk is forever posessed |
| 04:58.51 | peterS | guestish: I do not know |
| 04:59.09 | jetscreamer | FieldySnuts, until you lowlevel format it that is |
| 04:59.18 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: why would you need write access for backing up data? |
| 04:59.22 | FieldySnuts | oh. and it's also pre-fragmented for your pleaseure. |
| 04:59.28 | z36ra | did anyone want to hear my fat wife jokes again? |
| 04:59.30 | FieldySnuts | pleasure. |
| 04:59.36 | FieldySnuts | uh, no? |
| 04:59.48 | jetscreamer | no i had enough fat crap on the news |
| 04:59.54 | peterS | z36ra: is that fat16 or fat32? |
| 05:00.04 | jetscreamer | is that your fat32 wife? :p |
| 05:00.04 | z36ra | hehe |
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| 05:00.16 | Seb | still beter than an ntfs wife anyway |
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| 05:00.54 | Phazor | the debian torrent is fast today! im gettign 390kbps download speed from a local WAP |
| 05:00.56 | z36ra | well, ntfs really sux when linux cant deal with it but I hear ya |
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| 05:01.08 | Fyre-Fighter | the two HDs i have that are in NTFS format, are what i used to store EVERYTHING!, all downloads, music, installed progs, backups etc...this current HD im using now is only like a 6gig, enough for the OS only really, couple of downloads and im out of room, where as with the other two HDs, i have at least 80gig |
| 05:01.09 | sun_ | hi everyone |
| 05:01.31 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: so you cant back anything up |
| 05:01.39 | Phazor | Fyre-Fighter you can store files in a ISO format and mount them in Linux and Windows |
| 05:01.42 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: how would ntfs write support change this? |
| 05:01.44 | Phazor | d-tools has a iso mounter |
| 05:01.46 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: yeah, use a dvd |
| 05:01.47 | Phated | Thus the benefit of planning before you jump into screwing your computer over. |
| 05:01.49 | sun_ | i have a question |
| 05:01.51 | z36ra | we can dog windows all night long but it still persists. thats a pun if anyone caught it cudos. |
| 05:01.53 | Phazor | and it makes for easy backups |
| 05:01.59 | peterS | guestish: presumably Fyre-Fighter would move data from one ntfs partition to the other, then reformat the one |
| 05:02.09 | Phazor | can even plug into mac and use |
| 05:02.12 | guestish | peterS: captive is unmaintained, but it works |
| 05:02.14 | guestish | er |
| 05:02.18 | guestish | thats for Fyre-Fighter |
| 05:02.18 | Fyre-Fighter | i dont have a Dvd burner |
| 05:02.29 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: captive is unmaintained, but it works |
| 05:02.33 | Fyre-Fighter | and with no write access to these drives, i cant copy from one drive to the other |
| 05:02.36 | z36ra | dont buy a sony burner |
| 05:02.37 | jetscreamer | there is a fat32->ntfs converter, is there an ntfs-->fat32? |
| 05:02.39 | Fyre-Fighter | captive does NOT work |
| 05:02.41 | sun_ | i have an account to which i can ssh, where i recieve mail, and id like to download it to my debian over ssh |
| 05:02.42 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: captive works for me |
| 05:02.43 | Fyre-Fighter | z36ra: give me the money |
| 05:02.43 | z36ra | thats my best tip |
| 05:02.49 | Phazor | there is a way to make your hard-drive think its a cd rom in a way where it can serve the iso format |
| 05:02.50 | sussudio | nec burners rule. |
| 05:02.51 | MoonSweep | I have a problem with /etc/network/if-up.d under Debian (mixed stable/testing system). I put a script in this directory but it's not called when I bring up an interface. |
| 05:02.52 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: have you tried it? |
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| 05:02.56 | Phazor | but im not sure how to do it there is an article |
| 05:02.58 | peterS | jetscreamer: the 'convert.exe' fat->ntfs convertor in windows only goes one way |
| 05:03.04 | Phazor | ill see if i can find it |
| 05:03.18 | Fyre-Fighter | guestish: yes, i said earlier that i had tried it, it says trying and just sits there, nothing happens |
| 05:03.23 | jetscreamer | Phazor, mount it i think.. |
| 05:03.25 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: its slow but it works |
| 05:03.30 | Phazor | My Knoppix cd does ntfs fine |
| 05:03.35 | FieldySnuts | .. |
| 05:03.40 | peterS | Phazor: it reads it. does it write it? |
| 05:03.41 | Fyre-Fighter | 40 minutes of sitting is a little more then slow |
| 05:03.46 | jetscreamer | Phazor, it used captive |
| 05:03.47 | Phazor | yes |
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| 05:03.48 | guestish | do it overnight |
| 05:03.49 | jetscreamer | uses |
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| 05:03.52 | Phazor | its a custom build |
| 05:03.55 | Phazor | only thing is |
| 05:04.01 | Phazor | if you have windows security stuff |
| 05:04.02 | FieldySnuts | hit enter |
| 05:04.02 | Phazor | wont work |
| 05:04.03 | FieldySnuts | less |
| 05:04.09 | Phazor | has to be a drive without the OS on it |
| 05:04.12 | Phazor | just a standard ntfs |
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| 05:04.15 | peterS | Fyre-Fighter: you *might* have some luck with 'ntfsresize' - that is, run ntfsresize to resize a partition as small as it will go, then create another partition next to it |
| 05:04.19 | Fyre-Fighter | overnight hell, it doesnt do anything, the HDs are making no noise, theres no CPU activity, nothing |
| 05:04.25 | peterS | Fyre-Fighter: that's quite possibly your best bet |
| 05:04.27 | z36ra | Phazor: when you say "does" what exactly do you mean? |
| 05:04.31 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: here are your options: get a dvd burner, install windows temporarily, get a new hard drive, or lose data |
| 05:04.39 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: or if you really want sit through captive |
| 05:04.40 | jetscreamer | Fyre-Fighter, then you didn't set it up properly, because it does work |
| 05:04.44 | peterS | guestish: I think ntfsresize is his best option |
| 05:04.50 | cheez | Hello, does anyone know how in the world I would go about UNinstalling PHP4.3.9 from my system? I installed it from the source and there is no 'make uninstall' or no docs on how to uninstall it.. Anyone know? |
| 05:04.58 | guestish | peterS: isnt that risky? |
| 05:05.06 | peterS | guestish: well, it works |
| 05:05.11 | Phazor | well, i meant it reads and writes |
| 05:05.12 | kenboo | do i have to create samba.schema manually? |
| 05:05.16 | jetscreamer | hey yeah Fyre-Fighter back it up to dvd or cd |
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| 05:05.19 | Phazor | with the tweaked knoppix livecd |
| 05:05.27 | Fyre-Fighter | jetscreamer: whats to setup, i installed the way it said, i run what it said to, it has all the files it needs, and i ran it, but it did nothing |
| 05:05.28 | jetscreamer | kanotix > knoppix |
| 05:05.33 | mwilson | cheez: You wouldn't just read the makefile because...? |
| 05:05.36 | guestish | peterS: anything that involves resizing partitions always seems prone to data loss... |
| 05:05.45 | hmakholm | cheez: How about doing a 'make -n install > somefile' and try to extract filenames from the output? |
| 05:05.47 | glick | how can i make my kernel so that it does not probe the hardware to speed up boot time? |
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| 05:06.03 | jetscreamer | glick that's discover or hotplug i think |
| 05:06.06 | jetscreamer | not the kernel |
| 05:06.13 | peterS | guestish: for sure. I think ntfsresize functionality might have been integrated into parted at some point, though. in which case, at least some of the possible human error is eliminated |
| 05:06.16 | jetscreamer | try apt-get remove |
| 05:06.28 | peterS | guestish: since parted resizes both filesystems and partitions, in a hopefully coherent manner |
| 05:06.43 | guestish | peterS: heh, well you're right...its probably the best free option |
| 05:06.46 | glick | i want to compile everything i nee and want into the kernel instead of a module to speed up boot time |
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| 05:06.57 | jetscreamer | ok do so glick |
| 05:07.07 | glick | i just dont want it to try to discover devices and to load modoules |
| 05:07.08 | Phated | Modules vs built-in doesn't make -that- much difference, does it. |
| 05:07.13 | Phazor | what are the advantages of kanotix? |
| 05:07.20 | Phated | glick: OK, so remove hotplug and discover. |
| 05:07.22 | glick | Phated, actually it does |
| 05:07.25 | jetscreamer | glick what part of apt-get remove discover hotplug |
| 05:07.30 | peterS | no, not that much difference |
| 05:07.30 | z36ra | Phazor: and how many times have you "read" and "wrote"? see the thing is that windows will stop working with that disk after so many reads and writes. it's not like you can mount that drive on linux and expect it to work when you go back to windows. |
| 05:07.44 | Phated | peterS: He says it does. |
| 05:07.48 | Fyre-Fighter | hang on, and i will show you what captive does |
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| 05:08.03 | Phazor | z36ra , i dont use it to BOOT windows its just a storage drive |
| 05:08.09 | jetscreamer | how can you show us what it does if you said it doesn't do anything |
| 05:08.14 | peterS | Phated: discover sits and loads modules for an hour and a half, at boot time, but if you eliminate *that*, module loading doesn't take long at all |
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| 05:08.22 | Phated | Phazor: Why didn't you use ext3 or ext2 or something? |
| 05:08.24 | jetscreamer | why the hell would you use ntfs to store data under linux |
| 05:08.46 | FieldySnuts | @start a fs war |
| 05:08.47 | ravenbird | ReiserFS is better than SysVfs!! |
| 05:08.48 | guestish | jetscreamer: hes ridding himself of windows |
| 05:08.51 | Fyre-Fighter | actually, now i receive this |
| 05:08.53 | Fyre-Fighter | Captive NTFS v1.1.5. Check a new version at: http://www.jankratochvil.net/ |
| 05:08.53 | Fyre-Fighter | cannot stat /mnt/win1 |
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| 05:09.02 | Yabden | i use some cut up fat32 partitions for moving data to/from windows |
| 05:09.04 | Yabden | works alright |
| 05:09.06 | jetscreamer | ok there you go make it stat it |
| 05:09.07 | FieldySnuts | mount a device, not a mount point |
| 05:09.13 | jetscreamer | Yabden, me too |
| 05:09.26 | Phazor | Phated the windows could not read the ext2 |
| 05:09.28 | Phazor | or 3 |
| 05:09.29 | Phated | peterS: I was commenting on the difference between building modules vs building them in. Now with discover and hotplug... *shrugs* But I'm saying that building them in isn't going to make a huge difference. |
| 05:09.36 | Phazor | and i have to develop for windows stuff too |
| 05:09.42 | peterS | Phated: indeed it's not |
| 05:09.42 | Phated | Have fun then. |
| 05:09.46 | z36ra | Phazor: I still dont see why you would want ntfs unless you wanted large file size in windows. |
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| 05:09.49 | Phated | peterS: Aye. |
| 05:09.56 | jetscreamer | ext2fs reads ext2/3 while you're in windows |
| 05:10.00 | FieldySnuts | shrug, using nonfree filesystems |
| 05:10.04 | guestish | not very well... |
| 05:10.12 | Phazor | well you CAN make a fat32 |
| 05:10.20 | peterS | z36ra: using ntfs instead of fat32 in windows is kind of like using ext3 instead of fat32 in Linux |
| 05:10.27 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 05:10.28 | Phated | And of course fat32 can be read in Linux. |
| 05:10.31 | peterS | z36ra: do you use fat32 as your primary filesystem in Linux? |
| 05:10.32 | z36ra | hmm |
| 05:10.35 | FieldySnuts | shit, it's sunday here now |
| 05:10.37 | FieldySnuts | ;( |
| 05:10.38 | peterS | z36ra: if not, why not? |
| 05:10.49 | exhaust | how do i play an audio cd with xmms? |
| 05:10.51 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: it's sunday on slashdot too. |
| 05:10.52 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yeah it fucking well is. I do have a Firefox party later on though. |
| 05:10.58 | z36ra | I use ext3 and reiserfs exclusivly |
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| 05:11.04 | jetscreamer | exaust add yourself to the cdrom and audio groups |
| 05:11.07 | Phated | Exclusively signifies only one. :) |
| 05:11.12 | peterS | exhaust: tell it to open the mount point for your cdrom - /cdrom or /media/cdrom or something |
| 05:11.14 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 05:11.18 | z36ra | my wife and kids yous windows |
| 05:11.23 | peterS | exhaust: yes, this is unintuitive and stupid. it's how it works, though |
| 05:11.27 | jetscreamer | my kids use sid |
| 05:11.29 | z36ra | use even |
| 05:11.34 | Phazor | I got a dvd burner and a network set up i dont really need to have that ntfs anymore. so i dont use it |
| 05:11.37 | hmakholm | Phated: No "exclusively" means "nothing else" |
| 05:11.38 | sussudio | "Ask Slashdot: Is Firefox 1.0 Less Stable than Firefox PR1.0?" |
| 05:11.38 | FieldySnuts | troll? |
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| 05:11.47 | Phazor | my linux is all ext and my windows is ntfs |
| 05:11.54 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Got troll? :) |
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| 05:11.59 | Fyre-Fighter | guestish: you read the msg i get on it now? |
| 05:11.59 | FieldySnuts | ya |
| 05:12.00 | Phated | hmakholm: Ah well. |
| 05:12.08 | z36ra | I wish I could say ther wasnt a fat in the house but there aint no fat on my computer |
| 05:12.11 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: if you dont want to use captive then done |
| 05:12.14 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: dont |
| 05:12.21 | FieldySnuts | z36ra: too much info.. |
| 05:12.30 | oPorscheBy | 1 |
| 05:12.31 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Who cares? They're both crap. |
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| 05:12.34 | jetscreamer | 2 |
| 05:12.35 | oPorscheBy | window 1 |
| 05:12.38 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: eh? |
| 05:12.39 | exhaust | peterS: cat /etc/fstab shows .. /dev/hdc /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 05:12.39 | Phated | z36ra: STFU, we're not interested in your household. |
| 05:12.42 | exhaust | /dev/hdc /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 05:12.43 | Phated | oPorscheBy: /window 1. |
| 05:12.48 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: do what peters says, unless you have very valuable data |
| 05:12.48 | FieldySnuts | wee flood time |
| 05:12.56 | mindphasr | Can someone tell me why I have 2 cards in my gnome volume control? a Realtek ALC658 OSS Mixer and a Via 823x(My sound card) Alsa Mixer? |
| 05:12.57 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: What's the point of comparing crap with crap? |
| 05:13.04 | Fyre-Fighter | guestish: it is giving me a error msg now, instead of just sitting there doing nothing |
| 05:13.07 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: i forgot what i was comparing ;x |
| 05:13.08 | peterS | exhaust: so you've got both mount points. opening either one in xmms should work |
| 05:13.09 | z36ra | obviously not... seem sonly interested in ntfs |
| 05:13.10 | Fyre-Fighter | but the error makes no sesne to me |
| 05:13.17 | Fyre-Fighter | and yes there is valuable data on thses drives |
| 05:13.20 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: fine, you probably deleted the folder |
| 05:13.27 | Phated | How valuable. |
| 05:13.33 | Yabden | mindphasr because you probably have two modules loaded for them |
| 05:13.41 | FieldySnuts | couldn't be too valuable if win was trusted with it </troll> |
| 05:13.42 | Fyre-Fighter | guestish: the folder is still there |
| 05:13.43 | jetscreamer | Fyre-Fighter, is the damn thing mounted? |
| 05:13.47 | hmakholm | Apparently not valuable enough to have a working backup scheme in place |
| 05:13.49 | Fyre-Fighter | i just had it mounted with read only |
| 05:13.51 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *shrugs* |
| 05:13.53 | FieldySnuts | hmakholm: yep. |
| 05:13.59 | Phated | hmakholm: He backed up on ntfs, pay attention. |
| 05:13.59 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: just reinstall windows long enough to move your data, whats the problem? |
| 05:14.11 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: its not like the plauge, it wont hurt you |
| 05:14.14 | jetscreamer | probably the where part |
| 05:14.15 | FieldySnuts | yes it will |
| 05:14.18 | guestish | ... |
| 05:14.21 | Fyre-Fighter | because i just got rid of windows |
| 05:14.22 | z36ra | I was takin up for ntfs and somehow im on the bad side now. well yeah! I like ntfs fine but I have no reason to use it. |
| 05:14.23 | Phated | I believe installing Windows formats your primary partition. |
| 05:14.25 | hmakholm | Wasn't the NFTS partition the original rather than a backup? |
| 05:14.32 | Phated | hmakholm: He had two. |
| 05:14.35 | guestish | reguardless to what people say, windows wont hurt anything for something that simple |
| 05:14.38 | rich_ | I have a text file and I want to display it, but I dont want it to display the last 11 charactors of each line. How can I, in a pipe, display a file, but filter out the last 11 charactors of each line? |
| 05:14.40 | FieldySnuts | @troll guestish |
| 05:14.41 | mwilson | Phated: It doesn't. |
| 05:14.41 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah it nukes your MBR. |
| 05:14.50 | guestish | FieldySnuts: hah |
| 05:14.53 | hmakholm | Phated: With different data, or ther wouldn't be any problem in the first place |
| 05:14.53 | exhaust | peterS: either location won't play |
| 05:14.55 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 05:14.56 | Fyre-Fighter | i could put win back on here |
| 05:15.00 | Fyre-Fighter | i lose nix |
| 05:15.00 | peterS | Phated: you can install windows without telling it to reformat anything. if there's already a FAT or NTFS partition on the primary hard drive, it can install straight to that without losing dat |
| 05:15.03 | jetscreamer | phated, mine always gives me an option when i boot the cd |
| 05:15.04 | Phated | mwilson: Yeah? Times have changed, and of course I need to stop using the Win98 disc. :) |
| 05:15.04 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: just do it long enough to move files |
| 05:15.05 | peterS | data |
| 05:15.07 | Fyre-Fighter | but i would have a shitty win sys |
| 05:15.08 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: you can always reinstall nix |
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| 05:15.11 | mindphasr | Yabden: Only sound modules I have selected in kernel is the Alsa sound and the module for my card |
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| 05:15.13 | Phated | peterS: Ah, thanks. |
| 05:15.13 | z36ra | im goin for more rum. you guys argue all you want |
| 05:15.19 | sun_ | how do i run the exim configurator? |
| 05:15.22 | Phated | Fyre-Fighter: FFS REINSTALL IT FOR TEN MINUTES. |
| 05:15.23 | jetscreamer | Fyre-Fighter, it's only shitty if you let it be, |
| 05:15.28 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: convert the partition to fat32 in windows then take off windows again |
| 05:15.38 | jetscreamer | how |
| 05:15.43 | guestish | Fyre-Fighter: move data, convert to fat, move data, convert to far |
| 05:15.45 | guestish | er, fat |
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| 05:16.19 | guestish | when i say convert i mean delete and reformat with fat32 :) |
| 05:16.19 | jetscreamer | Fyre-Fighter, you're just gonna have to erase the warez and re-warez it |
| 05:16.21 | oPorscheBy | ^W |
| 05:16.22 | sun_ | im on sarge and tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4 but nothing happend |
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| 05:16.40 | peterS | exhaust: you can install xmms-cdread and configure your input plugins to use that. but it really shouldn't be needed, but... |
| 05:16.43 | jetscreamer | it's eximconf or somethig i forget |
| 05:16.50 | lrn | Can any one tell me the best way to install nvidia at my system ? |
| 05:16.55 | guestish | !nvidia howto |
| 05:16.55 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
| 05:17.00 | jetscreamer | use the proprietary nvidia installer |
| 05:17.16 | jetscreamer | if best == easiest/works |
| 05:17.23 | Phated | Yeah. |
| 05:17.48 | exhaust | peterS: I have /cdrom and /cdrom0 but only 1 cddrive on this notebook, in /cdrom there is a cdrom0 dir. is this normal? |
| 05:17.48 | z36ra | thats what i used |
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| 05:18.11 | jetscreamer | exhaust, yes that's discover managing your mount points |
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| 05:18.22 | peterS | exhaust: who can say? what's normal is whatever is in your /etc/fstab across from "/dev/hdc". it seems you have two such entries. I have no idea why. |
| 05:18.28 | jetscreamer | it's a symlink |
| 05:18.32 | jetscreamer | one is |
| 05:18.42 | jetscreamer | it's what discover does |
| 05:18.43 | guestish | lrn: ^^^ |
| 05:18.50 | jetscreamer | ls -lA |
| 05:19.20 | lrn | guestish :( |
| 05:19.20 | z36ra | hey! thats a ligit question. lets help this guy. |
| 05:19.20 | guestish | lrn: ? |
| 05:19.20 | lrn | guestish i want that you will help me |
| 05:19.20 | guestish | lrn: lol |
| 05:19.20 | guestish | lrn: you have something against reading? |
| 05:19.25 | lrn | yeah |
| 05:19.26 | Fyre-Fighter | "cannot stat /mnt/win1" <-- error msg given by captive, wtf does it mean? |
| 05:19.26 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.29 | guestish | lrn: what? |
| 05:19.43 | lrn | guestish my english isn`t that good |
| 05:19.46 | lrn | at reading |
| 05:19.51 | guestish | lrn: you are reading right now |
| 05:19.52 | jetscreamer | Fyre-Fighter, what does mount tell you about that partition |
| 05:20.09 | lrn | guestish help please |
| 05:20.12 | guestish | lrn: its all text, it would just be me typing it vs someone else making a web page |
| 05:20.16 | Fyre-Fighter | mount hasnt told me anything about it |
| 05:20.23 | jetscreamer | ask it then |
| 05:20.27 | jetscreamer | type mount |
| 05:20.36 | Phated | lrn: He's going to help you in English. No difference. |
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| 05:20.57 | Fyre-Fighter | doesnt show it |
| 05:21.02 | Fyre-Fighter | but its not mounted at the moment |
| 05:21.05 | jetscreamer | guess what |
| 05:21.05 | lrn | guestish help |
| 05:21.06 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 05:21.14 | jetscreamer | jsut a thought |
| 05:21.41 | jetscreamer | but i don't know how captive owrks |
| 05:21.43 | jetscreamer | works |
| 05:21.47 | jetscreamer | try man or google |
| 05:22.00 | guestish | lrn: apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source; module-assistant auto-install nvidia; apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 05:22.08 | guestish | lrn: then modify your XF86Config-4 file to work |
| 05:22.21 | jetscreamer | #nvidia |
| 05:22.35 | lrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.35 | lrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.35 | lrn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.39 | lrn | guestish |
| 05:22.43 | lrn | im getting that error |
| 05:22.44 | z36ra | trying #nvidia |
| 05:22.51 | Fyre-Fighter | jetscreamer: when i mount it in read only, this is what mount says it is /dev/hdb5 on /mnt/win1 type ntfs (rw,uid=1000) |
| 05:22.59 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 05:23.14 | jetscreamer | it says rw not ro |
| 05:23.19 | guestish | lrn: doing what i said? |
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| 05:23.22 | guestish | lrn: i doubt it |
| 05:23.26 | jetscreamer | and uid is the first user you created |
| 05:23.34 | lrn | i did guestish |
| 05:23.49 | Fyre-Fighter | jetscreamer: whats the diff rw and ro? and yea first user = root |
| 05:23.52 | Phated | lrn: You of course need to install the kernel-headers. |
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| 05:23.59 | jetscreamer | read/write vs read only |
| 05:24.04 | Phated | Fyre-Fighter: read-write, read-omly. |
| 05:24.04 | jetscreamer | rw ro |
| 05:24.06 | z36ra | yeah... those guys are dicks too |
| 05:24.18 | Fyre-Fighter | ok, then why can i still not write to that hd? |
| 05:24.25 | z36ra | they say "#debian" heheh |
| 05:24.50 | guestish | lrn: you have to help yourself somewhat, we arent going to do everything for you =P |
| 05:25.11 | guestish | well maybe someone will, i wont |
| 05:25.17 | z36ra | I'll do it for him. send me computer d00de! |
| 05:25.34 | jetscreamer | Fyre-Fighter, i use /dev/hdb1 /hdb1 ntfs rw,users,auto,exec,suid,gid=60,uid=1001,umask=022 0 0 |
| 05:25.36 | lrn | guestish afrer i do the apt-get part i need to change in the XFree config file to remove the module "dri" and add "glx" and rename the nv to nvidia right? |
| 05:25.38 | jetscreamer | in fstab |
| 05:25.53 | jetscreamer | lrn, also remove the glcore one |
| 05:26.14 | Fyre-Fighter | ok, but if mine is saying its in rw, why am i still in ro? |
| 05:26.14 | jetscreamer | lrn, be sure and read line 16 or so of XF86Config-4 btw |
| 05:26.21 | jetscreamer | hell i dunno |
| 05:26.31 | exhaust | in my xmms Audio I/O Plugins i have both AudioCD Reader 0.14a and CD Audio Player 1.2.10 ... when i try to configure CD Audio Player ..Device: /dev/cdrom Directory: /cdrom .. and i click Check Drive button .. i get Failed to open device /dev/cdrom Error:Permission denied Directory /cdrom OK. so do i need to change permission of /dev/cdrom? |
| 05:26.31 | puff | hm. |
| 05:26.35 | jetscreamer | in ro? what do you mean by in? |
| 05:26.42 | guestish | lrn: yes |
| 05:26.49 | Fyre-Fighter | it is read-only, i can not write anything |
| 05:27.06 | Fyre-Fighter | either as a normal user or as root |
| 05:27.07 | jetscreamer | exhaust, have you ever done, as root, adduser userblah cdrom |
| 05:27.09 | puff | Okay, so I have a 3com card, how do I figure out which network driver to install for it? |
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| 05:27.26 | Guerin | exhaust: what's the ownership on your /dev/cdrom? |
| 05:27.28 | jetscreamer | puff http://scyld.com/network.html maybe |
| 05:27.34 | Phated | puff: Typically you find out what card it is specifically and look at the modules. |
| 05:27.35 | Yabden | find out what model it is and type it in google like "linux (insert card name) module" |
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| 05:27.48 | puff | http://www.pastebin.com/121895 |
| 05:27.56 | TNKS | hey all... how do you tell which apt-source a package is installed from? |
| 05:27.57 | jetscreamer | model/chipset... chipset can be more helpful sometimes |
| 05:28.04 | TNKS | is that something apt-cache can report on? |
| 05:28.33 | exhaust | Guerin: notebook:/dev# ls -l cdrom |
| 05:28.36 | DarknessX | when I do updates, I get a message "debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @inc)" and a bunch of other stuff about how it can' find KDE -- I made the mistake of selecting messages that way, how do I change it back to console/ncurses? |
| 05:28.38 | exhaust | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Nov 14 13:32 cdrom -> /dev/cdrom |
| 05:28.39 | Guerin | exhaust: or rather, the target of your /dev/cdrom symlink? It should be brw-rw---- 1 root disk |
| 05:28.55 | peterS | exhaust: that's a problem. ln -fs hdc /dev/cdrom |
| 05:28.56 | Guerin | exhaust: find the actual target of the symlink |
| 05:28.59 | jetscreamer | addyourself to the disk group too |
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| 05:29.12 | Guerin | I don't think adding yourself to disk is wise |
| 05:29.15 | Monchy | er hello everybody, i was just wondering as someone who is learning linux, would debian be a good choice for me? |
| 05:29.32 | Guerin | Monchy: if you actually want to learn, it's an awesome choice. |
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| 05:30.02 | Phated | Depends. How severe an amount of fixing can you handle. :) |
| 05:30.06 | Guerin | Monchy: you will need to do some rtfm, but typically you'll be spared the hassle of learning how to fix annoying fuckups, and get on with learning how things actually work. |
| 05:30.14 | puff | Hm, googling it seems to be a 3c905-tx B |
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| 05:30.38 | puff | But all the 3c5* modules start with 5, not 9. |
| 05:30.41 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: windows windows windows ntfs ntfs ntfs saaaamba |
| 05:30.47 | Phated | puff: Lovely. Load the 3c905xx module, or something similar. |
| 05:30.50 | sussudio | puff: 3c590. |
| 05:30.51 | peterS | puff: 3c59x |
| 05:30.52 | Monchy | groovy, i was suggested mandrake but i have read and heard alot of good things about debian :) |
| 05:30.59 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: ;/ |
| 05:31.17 | peterS | puff: because the 3c590 / 3c592 / 3c595 were originally similar enough to the 3c900 / 3c905 that they shared a driver |
| 05:31.17 | Guerin | Monchy: mandrake isn't a good learning distro, it's dumbed-down. |
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| 05:31.36 | Fyre-Fighter | jetscreamer: it is read only, i can not write anything, but according to mount it is in read/write |
| 05:31.44 | Guerin | Monchy: I know this, because I started on mandrake, and was fucking clueless until I stopped using it. |
| 05:31.46 | exhaust | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Nov 14 13:32 cdrom -> /dev/cdrom0 |
| 05:31.46 | exhaust | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Nov 14 13:32 cdrom0 -> /dev/hdc |
| 05:31.52 | exhaust | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Nov 14 13:32 cdrom -> /dev/cdrom0 |
| 05:31.53 | exhaust | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Nov 14 13:32 cdrom0 -> /dev/hdc |
| 05:31.55 | FieldySnuts | stop |
| 05:31.57 | Phated | Of course, do you have NTFS write support in the kernel. |
| 05:31.59 | Guerin | exhaust: fucking hell |
| 05:31.59 | sussudio | !tell exhaust about flood |
| 05:32.00 | Yabden | i just got pissed at mandrake and stopped using it |
| 05:32.12 | FieldySnuts | @lart urpmi or whatever |
| 05:32.22 | Fyre-Fighter | Phated: and that would be done how? |
| 05:32.24 | z36ra | yeah #nvidia never was so helpful |
| 05:32.27 | exhaust | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Nov 14 13:32 cdrom -> /dev/cdrom0 |
| 05:32.31 | Phated | I dunno, recompile the kernel. |
| 05:32.32 | FieldySnuts | stop wanker |
| 05:32.34 | Guerin | exhaust: fucking stop it |
| 05:32.36 | Fyre-Fighter | Phated: or how could i check to see if it is |
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| 05:32.52 | puff | Okay, hostname, should that be the full hostname, i.e. "example.com", or just "example"? |
| 05:33.00 | Phated | The latter. |
| 05:33.07 | exhaust | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Nov 14 13:32 cdro -> /dev/cdrom0 |
| 05:33.24 | Guerin | exhaust: as I said earlier, we don't give a flying fuck about the symlinks, only the targets of the symlin. In your case, /dev/hdc |
| 05:33.32 | exhaust | shout sorry |
| 05:33.34 | puff | I'm guessing that for right now I should use dhcp, though later, when I move it to the colo, I'll have to change that. |
| 05:33.41 | jetscreamer | chown root:cdrom /dev/cdr* |
| 05:33.50 | Phated | puff: Yeah probably, go find a Debian install manual. |
| 05:34.05 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yeah, because the ownership of a 777 symlink makes all the difference in the world |
| 05:34.07 | puff | Hm, installing the base system. |
| 05:34.08 | exhaust | didn't realize i was doing that |
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| 05:34.30 | peterS | Guerin: fortunately, chown changes the target, not the link |
| 05:34.34 | Phated | puff: We really don't need updates every two seconds if you're not having a problem. |
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| 05:35.25 | Guerin | peterS: I seem to recall it being unwisse to chown all your disks ... and unwise to add yourself to "disk" group, etc. are I on the right track...? |
| 05:35.33 | Guerin | s/ss/s/ |
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| 05:35.53 | peterS | Guerin: the 'disk' group gives you raw access to all your filesystems, which is pretty much giving you root |
| 05:36.06 | Guerin | yeah, that was it |
| 05:36.09 | peterS | Guerin: so you normally want to use something else for access to other media, such as group 'floppy' or group 'cdrom' |
| 05:36.15 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: windowssmite is <who>: windows windows windows ntfs ntfs ntfs saaaamba |
| 05:36.17 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: okay |
| 05:36.31 | FieldySnuts | hopefully i did that right. |
| 05:36.36 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: nope. |
| 05:36.38 | Phated | !windowssmite FieldySnuts |
| 05:36.40 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 05:36.41 | Phated | Not at all. |
| 05:36.46 | sussudio | wtf is <who> |
| 05:36.46 | Phated | @forget windowssmite |
| 05:36.47 | ravenbird | i forgot windowssmite, Phated |
| 05:36.50 | FieldySnuts | oh well worth a shot, i don't wanna screw it up |
| 05:36.53 | FieldySnuts | @forget windowssmite |
| 05:37.11 | Phated | @windowssmite $1 is <reply> $1: windows windows windows ntfs ntfs ntfs saaaamba |
| 05:37.11 | ravenbird | Phated: okay |
| 05:37.19 | Phated | IF he works the same way dpkg does... |
| 05:37.20 | FieldySnuts | hm. thanks |
| 05:37.23 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: windowssmite $1 is ($1): <reply> $1: windows windows ... |
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| 05:37.27 | Phated | @windowssmite FieldySnuts |
| 05:37.28 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: windows windows windows ntfs ntfs ntfs saaaamba |
| 05:37.29 | peterS | that was like a badgers theme minus the rhythm, minus the topicality, minus the humor |
| 05:37.31 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 05:37.33 | Phated | OK it works. |
| 05:37.33 | peterS | I wonder what the point was |
| 05:37.45 | Phated | peterS: FieldySnuts' idea, not mine. I merely implement. |
| 05:37.52 | Guerin | peterS: the point, initially, was to annoy FieldySnuts |
| 05:37.54 | sussudio | peterS: and there should only be 2 times ntfs/. |
| 05:37.54 | FieldySnuts | peterS: it's not that, it's just that every time i do anything you have to criticize me. relax. |
| 05:37.57 | peterS | Phated: you don't *have* to implement bad ideas just because they are someone else's bad ideas |
| 05:38.04 | Guerin | peterS: but I see it's just going to annoy you instead :) |
| 05:38.13 | FieldySnuts | grumpy guy. |
| 05:38.20 | Phated | peterS: See what Guerin said and insert something about how that's worth it all in itself. |
| 05:38.22 | sussudio | !broc FieldySnuts |
| 05:38.23 | dpkg | ENOUGH! |
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| 05:38.30 | sussudio | !bugger g4lt |
| 05:38.32 | FieldySnuts | what's broc mean? |
| 05:38.40 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: what do you think it means. |
| 05:38.44 | FieldySnuts | no clue. |
| 05:38.46 | Guerin | a broc is a gaelic badger |
| 05:38.51 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 05:38.56 | sussudio | !win Guerin |
| 05:38.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 05:39.38 | Guerin | hrm, gpm is leet |
| 05:39.44 | Guerin | and really trivial to set up |
| 05:39.46 | FieldySnuts | tame sunday so far, minus the ntfs poop |
| 05:39.56 | Yabden | gpm is really useful too |
| 05:40.12 | Phated | gpm is sweet. |
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| 05:40.27 | FieldySnuts | only freebsd's console mouse is better </troll> |
| 05:40.31 | MobyTurbo | FieldySnuts: thursday was this week's sunday |
| 05:40.31 | Guerin | unfortunately links2 -g gives me psychedelia and doesn't work |
| 05:40.45 | Phated | Oh yeah. |
| 05:40.47 | Yabden | you have to set up a frame buffer |
| 05:40.49 | Phated | That was a BAD day. |
| 05:40.57 | xmms | hi , Guys, SomeBody know what is the Driver for "S3 Inc.|VT8375 [ProSavage8KM266/KL266]" |
| 05:40.57 | sussudio | god i really really hate K3 |
| 05:41.01 | peterS | Guerin: in unstable it *should* be trivial to set up. if I ever get around to it I'll make it even more trivial, though (: |
| 05:41.07 | FieldySnuts | guess i missed it or don't remmeber, life has been crazy the past 10 days for me |
| 05:41.17 | FieldySnuts | what was so bad about it |
| 05:41.29 | jetscreamer | maybe s3, not sure at all, just a bad guess |
| 05:41.37 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Let's put it this way: You're lucky you don't remember it. |
| 05:41.45 | MobyTurbo | FieldySnuts: lots of trolls, don't remember the details |
| 05:41.45 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 05:41.55 | FieldySnuts | MobyTurbo: i bet sussudio was one of them |
| 05:41.57 | Guerin | Yabden: yeah, I'm building another kernel for it now. I've installed a debian kernel-image for it, but if I reboot this box, it'll kill the ssh session into the other box, which will kill the screen session that kernel compile is happening in, and so on ... |
| 05:41.58 | Phated | peterS: It -is- trivial. |
| 05:42.10 | exhaust | so ls -l hdc give brw-rw---- 1 root disk .. hdc . So should i change the permissions on hdc? |
| 05:42.16 | MobyTurbo | lol |
| 05:42.21 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.21 | FieldySnuts | b? wtf? |
| 05:42.24 | FieldySnuts | n/m i'm tired |
| 05:42.26 | peterS | exhaust: chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 05:42.52 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 05:42.52 | dpkg | kawfees suck compared to kawfees |
| 05:42.58 | peterS | yes |
| 05:43.00 | peterS | yes they do |
| 05:43.00 | Guerin | profound |
| 05:43.02 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 05:43.11 | Phated | Oh that's a good one. |
| 05:43.14 | sussudio | hmm llama's on tv. |
| 05:43.21 | FieldySnuts | smelly |
| 05:43.25 | sussudio | no, wait. they're alpaca's! |
| 05:43.29 | FieldySnuts | perl? |
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| 05:43.31 | sussudio | damned. |
| 05:43.34 | sussudio | fake llama |
| 05:43.39 | FieldySnuts | llamasmite? |
| 05:43.47 | FieldySnuts | er no alpacasmite. |
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| 05:44.08 | Guerin | so, let's think about console fonts. 1) why are they so chunky 2) why don't I get antialiasing |
| 05:44.12 | Guerin | ok, 2 is a joke |
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| 05:45.20 | Guerin | Monchy: don't pm me, please. Which version of debian you install depends on what you want to use it for. I'd suggest sarge (see topic), which is a nice balance between "new" and "not broken". That 3.0r2 is rock solid, but very old. |
| 05:45.26 | FieldySnuts | kill away.. |
| 05:45.39 | sussudio | !qotd98 |
| 05:45.39 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
| 05:45.53 | FieldySnuts | laugh. |
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| 05:47.50 | Monchy | alright guerin :) |
| 05:48.17 | exhaust | thanks peterS and Guerin |
| 05:48.27 | exhaust | it works now |
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| 05:49.24 | DarknessX | when I install a package, more often then not I get a "debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7.)" error. I set up debian to use KDE, but in hindsight it's dumb -- how do I change to console/ncurses? |
| 05:49.27 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 05:49.40 | FieldySnuts | uninstalling perl is bad |
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| 05:49.57 | DarknessX | FieldySnuts: isn't it just that one module? |
| 05:50.08 | FieldySnuts | not sure, i have no clue |
| 05:50.13 | FieldySnuts | that came out wrong |
| 05:50.22 | DarknessX | either way -- I don't want to uninstall it, just to change the debconf config that points to it. |
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| 05:50.41 | qkit | helo.... |
| 05:50.49 | sussudio | !helo |
| 05:50.49 | dpkg | helo is probably the first command issued during smtp |
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| 05:50.56 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 05:51.04 | z36ra | hee |
| 05:51.06 | sussudio | qkit: list |
| 05:51.09 | qkit | yup ur are right dpkg.... |
| 05:51.25 | z36ra | dpkg is so smart |
| 05:51.25 | dpkg | z36ra: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:51.29 | dondelelcaro | DarknessX: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 05:51.29 | qkit | sussudio:list??? |
| 05:51.41 | dondelelcaro | DarknessX: and change your debconf frontend to something besides whatever uses Qt |
| 05:51.49 | sussudio | qkit: mydaus meliceps |
| 05:51.56 | z36ra | dpkg: nope |
| 05:51.56 | dpkg | yes |
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| 05:52.09 | DarknessX | dondelelcaro: ahh, great. thanks |
| 05:52.10 | qkit | sussudio:english pls...... |
| 05:52.25 | FieldySnuts | haha |
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| 05:52.26 | Quiet | good evening everyone |
| 05:52.30 | z36ra | dpkg: no. your fine |
| 05:52.30 | dpkg | z36ra: are you smoking crack? |
| 05:52.33 | jasonf | The "random" function on rhythmbox is not working for me |
| 05:52.33 | peterS | Quiet, please |
| 05:52.36 | FieldySnuts | god |
| 05:52.43 | jasonf | I'm running Sarge, fully up to day |
| 05:52.45 | FieldySnuts | sunday. |
| 05:52.50 | jasonf | *date |
| 05:52.54 | Guerin | jasonf: bts |
| 05:52.56 | jasonf | any thoughts? |
| 05:53.00 | jasonf | Guerin: 10-4 |
| 05:53.00 | sussudio | !eat saltine crackers |
| 05:53.04 | Guerin | jasonf: don't use rhythmbox |
| 05:53.05 | z36ra | gotta love talking to yourself |
| 05:53.09 | Stinky_Finger | what would you call the program dsp dev/dsp |
| 05:53.13 | FieldySnuts | better than playing with n/m |
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| 05:53.26 | qkit | hei guys how is the different between debian and slakware... |
| 05:53.39 | Guerin | qkit: debian has package management |
| 05:53.41 | FieldySnuts | @start a distro war |
| 05:53.42 | ravenbird | Gentoo owns! |
| 05:53.46 | FieldySnuts | uh oh. |
| 05:53.51 | jasonf | qkit: nothing, they're the same thing with a different name. We're just trying to confuse you all |
| 05:53.57 | qkit | i using slackware quite some time...and thinking to change to debian coz never used it before? |
| 05:53.58 | sussudio | !confuse qkit |
| 05:53.59 | dpkg | No, how is our gerbil tomorrow, qkit? breeches of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 05:54.00 | FieldySnuts | g'nite gang |
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| 05:54.05 | Stinky_Finger | node? daemon? address? |
| 05:54.07 | z36ra | what does gentoo own? |
| 05:54.16 | FieldySnuts | your cpu |
| 05:54.17 | Guerin | z36ra: it owns cpus |
| 05:54.18 | exhaust | what is that command to configure the sound level with alsa? |
| 05:54.23 | sussudio | z36ra: a small cottage near Hull |
| 05:54.33 | dondelelcaro | exhaust: alsamixer |
| 05:54.33 | z36ra | yeah |
| 05:54.44 | dondelelcaro | exhaust: but aumix will work just as well.. |
| 05:54.44 | z36ra | yeah |
| 05:54.53 | qkit | how is the kde runing on debian does it runing very stable??? |
| 05:54.53 | exhaust | dondelelcaro: yes thanks |
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| 05:55.10 | Quiet | Works well for me |
| 05:55.11 | dondelelcaro | qkit: it's KDE. It works, and it's as stable as KDE gets |
| 05:55.18 | william | can someone explain to me how to install .deb files on knoppix? |
| 05:55.25 | sussudio | william: #knoppix |
| 05:55.28 | puff | Hm, would be nice to figure out how to get this thing to not try to do the Managed Boot Agent thing on startup. |
| 05:55.28 | william | ty |
| 05:55.30 | Guerin | william: someone in #knoppix can |
| 05:55.32 | cafuego | yay! |
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| 05:55.43 | Stinky_Finger | debian or nothing ^^ |
| 05:55.47 | z36ra | qkit: runs for months on this machine and would run longer if power was better |
| 05:55.49 | Stinky_Finger | damned debian! |
| 05:55.54 | Quiet | Hi William. I'm using Knoppix too. |
| 05:55.56 | dondelelcaro | puff: you mean PIX? |
| 05:56.01 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 05:56.06 | puff | Nah, something weird on this hardware. |
| 05:56.12 | peterS | cafuego: hey, neat |
| 05:56.13 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: nice |
| 05:56.16 | Guerin | cafuego: pwned! |
| 05:56.22 | Phated | cafuego: Sweet. |
| 05:56.31 | Stinky_Finger | can someone tell me what the files in /dev are considered? |
| 05:56.34 | cafuego | just firewalled it :-) |
| 05:56.42 | dondelelcaro | Stinky_Finger: they're called devices. |
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| 05:56.43 | Stinky_Finger | I want to mess around with them but don't know what to search for |
| 05:56.46 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: most of them are either block devices, character devices, or directories |
| 05:56.50 | puff | Managed PC Boot Agent (MBA) v4.0, copyright 1999 Lanworks Technologies, a subsidiary of 3com. Pre-boot eXecution Environment (PXE) v2.0 |
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| 05:56.52 | Stinky_Finger | thank you dondelel! |
| 05:56.58 | Stinky_Finger | ty!! |
| 05:56.59 | Guerin | Stinky_Finger: why do you want to fuck with things you don't understand? |
| 05:57.00 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: also, if you don't know what they are, why do you want to mess with them? |
| 05:57.06 | FieldySnuts | that's normal |
| 05:57.10 | puff | Then it goes: DHCP MAC ADDR: 00 01 02 8B 3B 82/n DHCP..... |
| 05:57.11 | Stinky_Finger | why not guerin? lol |
| 05:57.13 | FieldySnuts | for booting thin clients |
| 05:57.16 | Stinky_Finger | thats what i'm in debian for |
| 05:57.18 | dondelelcaro | Stinky_Finger: man mknod; or man MAKEDEV; and read Documentation/devices.txt; if you want to learn about them |
| 05:57.21 | Guerin | Stinky_Finger: because you WILL break things. |
| 05:57.21 | Stinky_Finger | shit I don't understand |
| 05:57.21 | puff | Hm. |
| 05:57.23 | FieldySnuts | puff: go into bios, trun off lan / net boot etc |
| 05:57.30 | dondelelcaro | puff: it's some sort of network boot shite. |
| 05:57.31 | FieldySnuts | put something else first to boot |
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| 05:57.33 | Stinky_Finger | bah I can just reinstall |
| 05:57.40 | Stinky_Finger | ty again dondelel |
| 05:57.47 | Phated | *cough* That's NOT what you're in Debian for. |
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| 05:57.53 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 05:58.15 | z36ra | now here's something you guys might help with, (doubt it), when I cluster mode dvdrip and the screensaver for kde starts, the whole system locks up. I mean hard lock! no mouse no keyboard... no nothin'. |
| 05:59.00 | rich_ | z36ra dvdrip sure takes a lot of recources. It could be a memory crunch |
| 05:59.02 | z36ra | disable screensaver, and the thing work great |
| 05:59.15 | Phated | There's your workaround right there. |
| 05:59.23 | z36ra | duh |
| 05:59.45 | Phated | Well then what would the problem be. Memory dies, the system freezes out. |
| 05:59.47 | puff | There's nothing obvious in BIOS to disable it. |
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| 06:00.09 | FieldySnuts | puff: go to boot order or whatever. move LAN / network boot / UNDI or something like that down lower |
| 06:00.27 | FieldySnuts | might be called PXE or MBA or other stuff |
| 06:00.42 | Phated | You can usually disable it by not letting it appear at all. |
| 06:00.45 | puff | I don't see anything, anywhere, about boot order, network boot, MBA, PXE..... God this is annoying. |
| 06:00.46 | z36ra | "memory dies" is a new one to me. |
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| 06:01.00 | Phated | ah forgeddit it was a generic term. |
| 06:01.01 | FieldySnuts | on a side note, PXE is neat stuff, about 80% of the clients at work use it to download a linux image, boot it, connect to X servers or win rdp servers |
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| 06:01.05 | FieldySnuts | real powerful stuff |
| 06:01.30 | rich_ | z36ra I meant it runs out of memory and when it does that the normal behavior is when a process asks for memory, instead of allocating it, kill the process. |
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| 06:01.38 | FieldySnuts | and those images are created with pxes (pxes.sourceforge.net) |
| 06:02.03 | FieldySnuts | puff: well I don't know what else to say, I work with that stuff day in and day out and that's how we either enable or disable PXES booting |
| 06:03.03 | z36ra | rich: I'm not fogin you. I was doggin Phated. man he was a big help. look up there at that inteligent comment. man! I wish i was that smart. |
| 06:03.32 | Phated | *shrugs* She was only making one comment. |
| 06:03.44 | rich_ | z36ra I see. |
| 06:04.04 | cafuego | cruddy cisco gear |
| 06:04.09 | puff | FieldySnuts thanks anyway... god this is annoying. |
| 06:04.12 | z36ra | hehe: Phated, sorry |
| 06:04.25 | Phated | z36ra: Sorry for what now? |
| 06:04.29 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 06:04.46 | z36ra | I dont mean to hurt peoples feelins |
| 06:04.53 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 06:05.00 | FieldySnuts | blah goin to bed, later |
| 06:05.07 | puff | I suspect I'll have to reflash the bios or something. |
| 06:05.10 | z36ra | l8r d00de |
| 06:05.19 | FieldySnuts | definately shouldn't have to. user error. |
| 06:05.22 | Phated | Ah fuck feelings. I made one damn comment that you could just disable the fucking screensaver to prevent your system locking up and I get picked on, fine. |
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| 06:05.52 | dondelelcaro | Phated: I really need a copy of the 'fucking screensaver'... sounds interesting. |
| 06:05.57 | sussudio | feeeelings nothing more than feeelings |
| 06:05.58 | Arelius | anyone know how to setup a wacom tablet? |
| 06:06.08 | cafuego | Arelius: google knows all |
| 06:06.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: hardcore, dude |
| 06:06.16 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Yeah it is, it locks up your system if you don't disable it while using dvdrip. |
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| 06:06.32 | dondelelcaro | peterS: hey, there's no soft pron here. |
| 06:06.33 | cafuego | Arelius: Basically, plug it in (usb?) and set up the inputdevice section for X, with the right driver. |
| 06:06.42 | z36ra | Phated: I already did that. Of course it's a workaround but a hard lock is bad. |
| 06:06.42 | Phated | Of course around this part of the world you can just install Windows and it does the same WITHOUT dvdrip. |
| 06:06.57 | dondelelcaro | no vaseline on the lens, no mood lighting... no bang, shika-bang-bang... |
| 06:07.08 | Arelius | cafuego, thanks |
| 06:07.08 | Phated | z36ra: *shrugs* Don't see why you'd want your screensaver on while you were ripping anyway. |
| 06:07.21 | Phated | dondelelcaro: OK, we rapidly approach the limit of TMI. |
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| 06:07.39 | dondelelcaro | Phated: oh, the TMI sign was miles back... |
| 06:07.42 | z36ra | Phated: nope. dont see what Ide want it either. |
| 06:07.55 | dondelelcaro | z36ra: can you ssh into the box when this lock happens? |
| 06:07.55 | peterS | dondelelcaro: fortunately this is but speculation, not information |
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| 06:08.09 | Phated | dondelelcaro: I've just confirmed that I have too high a tolerance for this stuff, methinks. |
| 06:08.16 | Phated | z36ra: Yeah sure, do as you will. |
| 06:08.49 | puff | Yay, I managed to figure out how to kick it into the MBA manager. |
| 06:08.53 | nathanh | defragging a fat32 filesystem under linux, anybody know of a tool? |
| 06:08.54 | Arelius | cafuego, how can I find ut what device it is on? |
| 06:08.58 | z36ra | dondelelcaro: nope. everything dies. mouse, ssh, apache2. thats what i tried. |
| 06:09.05 | helix | can parted resize hfs? |
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| 06:09.15 | puff | Okay, so boot method offers TCP/IP, Netware, RPL, PXE. |
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| 06:09.22 | peterS | hfs? maybe, but I'd bet against it. |
| 06:09.22 | dondelelcaro | helix: I'd be really surprised if it could... |
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| 06:09.27 | helix | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 06:09.31 | puff | Default boot field offers: Local or Network. But it was already on Local. Hm. |
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| 06:09.53 | qkit | wow the debian used so many cds..... why? in others distro the max only 4 only.... |
| 06:10.03 | KarlosII | freak DECEMBER now for sarge RELEASE... |
| 06:10.04 | dondelelcaro | z36ra: well, you've probably found a kernel bug or some sort of hardware issue. turn on kernel interupts, and try to get a panic out of the thing |
| 06:10.05 | qkit | do i need to download all iso image... |
| 06:10.09 | nathanh | qkit, no |
| 06:10.10 | Yabden | just #1 |
| 06:10.12 | nathanh | qkit, just #1 |
| 06:10.14 | Arelius | qkit, no |
| 06:10.15 | Phated | Then use other distros if n where n=cd number is that important. :) |
| 06:10.16 | Yabden | the rest of the cds are just software |
| 06:10.16 | streuner | qkit: there is *no* need to download all CD's |
| 06:10.17 | dondelelcaro | qkit: no, you don't. You don't even need to download any of them |
| 06:10.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell qkit about d-i |
| 06:10.28 | rich_ | qkit Many more developers, many more packages, many more, libs, and programs |
| 06:10.30 | Yabden | yeah we owned that question |
| 06:10.34 | Mc1brew_ | i'm trying to download install apache 2, but it doesn't seem to be working. I don't know if it is avaible for woody, would it make sense to point my sources list to the sarge packages? |
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| 06:11.04 | dondelelcaro | Mc1brew_: it's not available for woody unless you get a backport. |
| 06:11.14 | SiliconViper | So, I just switched to Gentoo the other day. Trying it out, giving it a fair chance. I've been a long-time Debian user, and I figure I may as well see what else is around. |
| 06:11.17 | sussudio | "He's an expectant mother's worst nightmare and totally unrepentant. The defrocked Saraburi monk who spent six months in jail for grilling over 1,000 stillborn babies is now Thailand's foremost black magic practitioner." |
| 06:11.21 | sussudio | O_O |
| 06:11.23 | dondelelcaro | Mc1brew_: pointing your system at sarge without actually upgrading to sarge is going to result in a broken system |
| 06:11.23 | node3667 | Mc1brew_: yup, if you're ready for sarge |
| 06:11.27 | SiliconViper | So far, I'm missing my Debian. |
| 06:11.28 | z36ra | dondelelcaro: I think so. can you point me in the right direction? I dont know how to do that. |
| 06:11.49 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: hell, they were stillborn... might as well do something usefull with them |
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| 06:12.00 | Mc1brew_ | hmmm, i wish my sarge install didn't crash after 5 seconds in |
| 06:12.09 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: taste like chicken? |
| 06:12.29 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: dunno. haven't had grilled human flesh yet... only raw... |
| 06:12.38 | node3667 | lol |
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| 06:12.44 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Yeah, harvest their spines and make a crapload of money selling them as cosmetics |
| 06:13.14 | Phated | Yeah what dondelelcaro said, if they're not alive... |
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| 06:14.30 | rares001 | anyone getting the no temp space problem in WINE? |
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| 06:14.59 | itchy | hi everybody |
| 06:15.01 | itchy | good night |
| 06:15.06 | ec | hello itchy |
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| 06:15.20 | nathanh | defrag? linux? fat32? |
| 06:15.30 | itchy | anyone can help me with a language problem? |
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| 06:15.37 | nathanh | itchy: your english is fine! |
| 06:15.41 | nathanh | itchy: you have no problem! |
| 06:15.50 | kenboo | anyone running krb5 on debian for windows authentication? |
| 06:16.07 | itchy | I have a spanish environment...so I'd like bring it back to english |
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| 06:16.16 | Phated | dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 06:16.41 | FieldySnuts | @kill d3bian |
| 06:16.48 | d3bian | hi |
| 06:16.59 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Why the kill? |
| 06:17.06 | FieldySnuts | knoppix@knoppix.net |
| 06:17.08 | qkit | do i donwload the debian-30r1-i386-binary-7.iso or the debian-update-3.0r3-i386-iso |
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| 06:17.10 | FieldySnuts | can it get any worse |
| 06:17.12 | nathanh | aurelius, not arelius |
| 06:17.14 | streuner | !tell MikeH`zzz about away |
| 06:17.16 | nathanh | philistine! |
| 06:17.22 | rares001 | !wine |
| 06:17.22 | dpkg | wine is probably at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 06:17.25 | z36ra | dondelelcaro: will submit a problem report to exit1.org. |
| 06:17.28 | jetx | hey dondelelcaro why can't blootbot use the files that apt-file uses, by default. |
| 06:17.30 | MikeH`zzz | grrr |
| 06:17.40 | MikeH`zzz | why do people insist on highlighting me when ive gone away :/ |
| 06:17.43 | itchy | I did it...but it Debian menu still in spanish... I've tryed dpkg-reconfigure locales selecting en_US.UTF-8 and set-language-env -r |
| 06:17.46 | MikeH`zzz | must remember to turn my speakers off |
| 06:17.59 | streuner | MikeH`zzz: turn that off, please. |
| 06:18.02 | qkit | what is the different? was the debian-update-3.0r3-i386-iso for updated only? |
| 06:18.08 | d3bian | mwilson so like theres a problum with my sound, i have no sound i even took out the video and sound card and i still have no sound? |
| 06:18.38 | FieldySnuts | er. |
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| 06:19.20 | Phated | MikeH`zzz: Yeah turn off your damned away script and we won't highlight you. |
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| 06:19.36 | Random832 | I installed a new 2.6 kernel and it won't let me load modules |
| 06:19.53 | Phated | "loadable modules" option available and/or compiled in? :) |
| 06:20.09 | Random832 | QM_MODULES [something ] not implemented - i don't have the error message available now |
| 06:20.15 | Random832 | yes and yes |
| 06:20.19 | qkit | can any one let me know what is the different between debian-30r1-i386-binary-7.iso or the debian-update-3.0r3-i386-iso? |
| 06:20.19 | peterS | Random832: install module-init-tools |
| 06:20.30 | qkit | which one i used to install debian? |
| 06:20.38 | Random832 | peterS: will it still work with 2.4? |
| 06:20.44 | streuner | qkit: none |
| 06:20.57 | itchy | binary-1 qkit |
| 06:20.57 | peterS | Random832: yes, in that it will coexist with modutils and Do The Right Thing no matter which kernel is running |
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| 06:21.05 | streuner | qkit: you need none of them |
| 06:21.14 | peterS | Random832: if you dual-boot 2.4 and 2.6, you have to have both modutils and module-init-tools installed |
| 06:21.17 | streuner | qkit: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:21.19 | Random832 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.33 | mass | does anyone know how to change the location of the drives of a raid, such as when you move a drive to a different controller? |
| 06:21.42 | qkit | streuner:none??? |
| 06:21.45 | Random832 | 2.6 kernel images built with make-kpkg with modules enabled should have module-init-tools as a prerequisite |
| 06:21.56 | mass | mdadm is assembling the wrong drive partitions together into a raid |
| 06:22.02 | Random832 | going now |
| 06:22.03 | peterS | mass: edit /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf or /etc/raidtab |
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| 06:22.08 | peterS | mass: whichever one you have |
| 06:22.24 | mass | peterS: neither have the information, it appears to be within the partitions themselves |
| 06:22.25 | peterS | mass: it may be that you don't need to do anything at all - in some configurations it's fully automatic |
| 06:22.31 | MobyTurbo | qkit: you're better off with a netinstall CD. |
| 06:22.39 | mass | thats what I'm trying to figure out how to change |
| 06:22.50 | mass | but --create looks like it may wipe out some rather important information |
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| 06:22.56 | peterS | mass: yeah. the partitions know what they are, so if mdadm or the kernel just scans all partitions, it can assemble the arrays without help |
| 06:23.00 | MobyTurbo | qkit: unless you need ppp, get the sarge one. |
| 06:23.04 | roods | is gnome-session in the gnome-common package? |
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| 06:23.16 | mass | peterS: is there a way to update the partitions to contain new drive letter references? |
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| 06:23.24 | peterS | roods: gnome-session is its own package |
| 06:23.28 | streuner | roods: its a seperate packages, IIRC |
| 06:23.32 | peterS | mass: "drive letter references"? |
| 06:23.39 | streuner | !info gnome-session |
| 06:23.41 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.8.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 434 kB, Installed size: 2092 kB |
| 06:23.46 | roods | thanks |
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| 06:24.16 | peterS | mass: each raid partition knows which md number it is part of - md0, md1, md2, etc. and how it fits into that array - whether it's part of a mirror, or part of a stripe set, or what. that's really all it needs to know. |
| 06:24.19 | MobyTurbo | dpkg: is there anything you don't know? |
| 06:24.21 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, MobyTurbo |
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| 06:24.41 | MobyTurbo | I guess that answers my question. ;) |
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| 06:25.12 | z36ra | dpkg: is Moby a dick? |
| 06:25.14 | dpkg | z36ra: i don't know |
| 06:25.20 | peterS | MobyTurbo: dpkg is not a wise man, because it doesn't know what it doesn't know |
| 06:25.34 | FieldySnuts | stupid bot tricks? |
| 06:25.50 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 06:25.50 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 06:25.56 | aolcd | !list |
| 06:25.56 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 06:26.01 | aolcd | lol |
| 06:26.02 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 06:26.10 | mass | peterS, I'll mess with mdadm for a bit |
| 06:26.13 | z36ra | hehe |
| 06:26.21 | aolcd | !fuck helix? |
| 06:26.22 | aolcd | !fuck helix |
| 06:26.26 | aolcd | lol |
| 06:26.30 | peterS | mass: I'm guessing you don't have to do anything at all |
| 06:26.51 | peterS | aolcd: enough bot abuse for now, hey? |
| 06:27.04 | aolcd | okej then |
| 06:27.12 | z36ra | thats funny |
| 06:27.19 | aolcd | !mhallsmite PeterS |
| 06:27.20 | dpkg | Fuck PeterS. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 06:27.24 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 06:27.24 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@knoppix.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:27.24 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 06:27.24 | idnar | !botrape |
| 06:27.24 | dpkg | STOP!!! please... no more... |
| 06:27.30 | peterS | dondelelcaro: nice |
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| 06:27.40 | Phated | Go dondelelcaro go. |
| 06:27.48 | FieldySnuts | knoppix owned |
| 06:27.49 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 06:28.00 | streuner | haha |
| 06:28.02 | cafuego | !drug aolcd |
| 06:28.08 | z36ra | my stomach hurts! |
| 06:28.08 | Phated | "Birds of an idiot feather..." |
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| 06:30.03 | Stinky_Finger | something that accesses a device would be considered a daemon? |
| 06:30.39 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: no, a daemon is basically any process that runs independent of a login session |
| 06:30.47 | Stinky_Finger | hmm |
| 06:31.23 | Guerin | Stinky_Finger: no. |
| 06:31.24 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: normally a daemon is long-lived - in the common case, it starts up at boot time and doesn't shut down until shutdown time |
| 06:31.42 | Stinky_Finger | hmm ok |
| 06:31.55 | Stinky_Finger | what accesses a device? |
| 06:31.56 | FieldySnuts | bloody knoppix users/devs |
| 06:32.20 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: depends on the device. some devices are only accessed by the kernel, others are accessed more or less directly by daemons or by regular user processes |
| 06:32.24 | z36ra | anyhting can access a device |
| 06:32.26 | sussudio | daemon police arrest this man |
| 06:32.47 | Piggy | his knoppix haircut is making me feel ill |
| 06:32.54 | idnar | haha |
| 06:33.02 | Stinky_Finger | hmm |
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| 06:33.17 | z36ra | oh man! i like knoppix |
| 06:33.30 | nathanh | z36ra, get a room! |
| 06:33.31 | glick | what does the fakeroot package do and why is it needed to compile a kernel under debian? |
| 06:33.41 | peterS | I guess the daemon police would be some sort of uniformed BSD zealots? |
| 06:33.42 | Guerin | glick: man fakeroot |
| 06:33.50 | Guerin | peterS: uninformed? |
| 06:33.58 | peterS | Guerin: no, I meant uniformed |
| 06:34.00 | z36ra | nathanh: I said "like" |
| 06:34.06 | Guerin | peterS: I meant uninformed :) |
| 06:34.08 | Stinky_Finger | does each proccess reside in a specific daemon? |
| 06:34.20 | Duelist | The dhcpd on my local network has a default lease time of 1209600 seconds, but dhclient on my Debian box only leases the IP for 604800 seconds, am I missing something? |
| 06:34.26 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: a process is a running program. a daemon is one type of process. |
| 06:34.29 | Guerin | !fundamentals |
| 06:34.29 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 06:34.29 | z36ra | stinky: no |
| 06:34.34 | Stinky_Finger | gah |
| 06:34.39 | puff | Okay, something must have gone wrong, even when I skip past the MBA, it gives me "Boot from ATAPI CDROM : Failure ... \n DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER." |
| 06:34.42 | Guerin | Stinky_Finger: read those two documents ^^^ |
| 06:34.49 | Stinky_Finger | I hate reading documents lol |
| 06:34.59 | Stinky_Finger | I like pokein stuff with a stick |
| 06:35.01 | sussudio | !irritate Stinky_Finger |
| 06:35.02 | dpkg | Stinky_Finger: wenas who uses dvd !!!1 |
| 06:35.08 | Guerin | Stinky_Finger: we hate answering the idiot questions of people who hate reading documents. |
| 06:35.22 | peterS | puff: 'disk boot failure' means the MBR of the disk your bios tried to boot probably doesn't contain a valid boot sector |
| 06:35.23 | z36ra | ditto |
| 06:35.32 | Stinky_Finger | I'll read documents |
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| 06:35.48 | Stinky_Finger | I was reading one, thats why I wanted to know about devices |
| 06:35.59 | Stinky_Finger | i'm trying to figure out how to label a certain process |
| 06:36.06 | puff | peterS That was the last thing I did before I rebooted. I took the default, MBR I think. |
| 06:36.24 | Stinky_Finger | off to poke around with my stick |
| 06:36.25 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: what is this process? |
| 06:36.32 | puff | Odd, now it won't boot from the ATAPI CD-ROM. |
| 06:36.34 | Stinky_Finger | supernoob.c |
| 06:36.47 | Guerin | hrm, gpm doesn't seem to be working when X isn't running, my new kernel doesn't want to boot, and something's fucked with the terminfo on my compile box |
| 06:36.47 | mhall | Stinky_Finger: if you don't read the docs we'll give you the Shocker |
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| 06:36.51 | puff | Maybe I accidentally screwed it up when I was poking around the CMOS, trying to figure out how to disable the MBA. |
| 06:36.51 | Guerin | not a good day |
| 06:37.04 | Stinky_Finger | *guards bunghole* |
| 06:37.14 | peterS | Guerin: gpm isn't working when X isn't running? that's pretty odd |
| 06:37.34 | Stinky_Finger | I'll be back |
| 06:37.54 | kombi | people: what does this mean: daemon MTA: cannot bind: Address already in use |
| 06:38.02 | nathanh | kombi: you're already running a mailserver |
| 06:38.06 | peterS | kombi: you are trying to run multiple mail servers |
| 06:38.07 | nathanh | kombi: netstat -lnp | grep 25 |
| 06:38.12 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, I figure it sorta defies the purpose. My main problem, though, is the fact that my build box is saying Error opening terminal: screen.linux whenever I try to do anything that needs a fullscreen console |
| 06:38.14 | kombi | thx! |
| 06:38.24 | peterS | Guerin: what's your mouse device? |
| 06:38.32 | Guerin | peterS: /dev/psaux |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 06:38.38 | peterS | Guerin: kernel 2.4, or 2.6? |
| 06:38.51 | Guerin | the externam usb mouse isn't working, but the trackpoint is |
| 06:38.56 | peterS | ahhh |
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| 06:39.07 | peterS | gpm can handle multiple mice, if you want that |
| 06:39.19 | peterS | /dev/psaux and /dev/input/mice for example |
| 06:39.23 | Guerin | that's ok, I can live with that for now, I'll rtfm later |
| 06:39.28 | peterS | ok |
| 06:39.56 | Guerin | Cannot find terminfo entry for 'screen.linus'. |
| 06:40.01 | Guerin | s/linus/linux/ |
| 06:40.05 | z36ra | speaking of mice>>> I had to switch to a usb mouse to get X working. why would me ps2 mouse stop working? |
| 06:40.08 | Guerin | wtf is up with that? |
| 06:40.10 | peterS | screen.linux doesn't sound right |
| 06:40.19 | glick | to compile a new kernel do i need to get the new kernel's headers too? also to uninstall the old kernel what is the command? |
| 06:40.25 | peterS | z36ra: stop working? how so? what kernel version? |
| 06:40.33 | sussudio | !works in 2.4 |
| 06:40.34 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 06:40.48 | sussudio | z36ra: i did that pre-emptively. |
| 06:41.05 | peterS | glick: kernels come in packages, so you can use 'make-kpkg' to build a new kernel package, then you can just remove the old kernel package using 'dpkg --remove' or 'aptitude' or whatever |
| 06:41.21 | Guerin | glick: depends how you installed the old kernel. NEVER uninstall the old one before you have tested the new one. |
| 06:41.24 | z36ra | peters: 2.6 i think. I have no idea what i did. it was a few months ago but I really hate the mouse I have now. |
| 06:41.28 | roods | do i understand this correctly, x11 is a windowing system with basic graphics and a window manager extends X11 so that "nicer" windows can be drawn? |
| 06:41.39 | kombi | uhm, and what does this mean: auth/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated |
| 06:41.44 | nathanh | roods: sort of |
| 06:41.44 | peterS | z36ra: with kernel 2.6, PS/2 mice don't work until you load two modules - 'mousedev' (which you already have) and 'psmouse' |
| 06:41.46 | Guerin | roods: no, x11 is a protocol |
| 06:41.57 | peterS | z36ra: with kernel 2.4, by contrast, you need no modules at all |
| 06:42.07 | roods | what purpose do WM serve? |
| 06:42.10 | MobyTurbo | roods: no, without a window manager windows cannot be moved about with a mouse, for example |
| 06:42.26 | nathanh | roods: X11 is a windowing system (or a protocol, depending on your point of view) that manages the video display, the mouse, the keyboard, and a concept called "windows" which are rectangular boxes you can draw into (using the X11 programming interface) |
| 06:42.30 | glick | Guerin, the one i have installed now is the one that came with testing |
| 06:42.30 | peterS | roods: to position windows on the screen, decide who has the keyboard input at any given time, and let you resize / move windows |
| 06:42.30 | Guerin | roods: the "x window system"s are client/server implementations of this protocol, wms being the client. |
| 06:42.37 | roods | what is gnome then, why does it requice sawfish or a window manager to run on top of that? |
| 06:42.37 | Guerin | being A client, anyway |
| 06:42.53 | Guerin | roods: gnome is a desktop environment. It includes a window manager. |
| 06:42.57 | nathanh | roods: a window manager is responsible for mapping/unmapping the windows, moving them around, minimising and maximising, and a bunch of other stuff im not going to describe |
| 06:43.06 | peterS | roods: gnome purposely does not integrate any specific window manager - it can work with many. but it needs one to run, same as running without gnome |
| 06:43.09 | Guerin | roods: a window manager, at the heard of it all, just handles windows. |
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| 06:43.55 | z36ra | peters: the funny thing is that it worked fine until I did "something". I cant remember what I did though. I just thought it was odd that it would stop working for "whatever" I did. |
| 06:44.07 | nathanh | roods: gnome is all the stuff that the window manager doesnt do, like ... everything |
| 06:44.07 | roods | so on OS X there is a windowing system AQUA and when I run X11 i'm loading this protocal so that I can run X-window application. I sound like i'm defining something using itself |
| 06:44.28 | peterS | z36ra: mouse handling in kernel 2.6 is almost always very very simple. it's almost always just a matter of loading the right modules. there are occasional failure modes, but the kernel input layer is quite good for common cases |
| 06:44.35 | MobyTurbo | roods: OS X's Aqua is *not* an X window manager. |
| 06:44.52 | nathanh | the macosx concepts are different, they are not exactly equivalent |
| 06:45.02 | kombi | what's this: "auth/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated" |
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| 06:45.08 | roods | mobytube: i understand, i just don't see why the protocal for x11 isn't built into Aqua |
| 06:45.21 | z36ra | peters: thanx. I would have nevetr thought that it was because of kernel problems. |
| 06:45.30 | nathanh | roods: not possible, aqua and x11 are incompatible |
| 06:45.38 | mhall | roods: simple, because apple hates open standards and wants their crap to be proprietary |
| 06:45.39 | nathanh | but it is possible to implement an x11 server on top of aqua |
| 06:45.39 | peterS | kombi: you've got an ident server listed in /etc/inetd.conf, I think, and it's crashing at startup |
| 06:45.41 | nathanh | which they have done |
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| 06:45.45 | MobyTurbo | roods: OS X can run a "rootless" X11. |
| 06:45.47 | eSSe_ | BitchX-1.0c19+ by panasync - Linux 2.4.21-xfs |
| 06:46.08 | mhall | roods: they want to lock you into their vendor-specific crap and then overcharge the hell out of you as much as inhumanly possible |
| 06:46.11 | roods | sorry this may not be the chan but i just got an apple from my sister since she went abroad for school |
| 06:46.11 | peterS | z36ra: well, it could still be a kernel bug of some sort. just, for PS/2 mice, this would be unusual |
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| 06:46.33 | mhall | roods: i have some apples too |
| 06:46.34 | nathanh | roods: good choice |
| 06:46.39 | nathanh | roods: the apple laptops and desktops are really nice |
| 06:46.42 | mhall | roods: They work well if you put Debian on them. |
| 06:46.49 | mhall | roods: I just despise OS X. |
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| 06:47.02 | roods | mhall, does debian support dual g5s? |
| 06:47.22 | nathanh | roods, you have to be pretty fanatical to run debian on the latest apple hardware |
| 06:47.30 | mhall | roods: I heard they have a 64-bit PPC kernel that works alright but I don't know the details. |
| 06:47.35 | nathanh | lots of things will simply not work (eg, airport extreme, sleep) |
| 06:47.42 | peterS | roods: Linus Torvalds owns a dual G5, I think, so if Linux doesn't support his own machine fully, I'm sure it will soon (: |
| 06:47.56 | mhall | roods: I am using it on an iMac G3 |
| 06:48.15 | nathanh | roods, osx is good for your sister, leave it on there |
| 06:48.16 | z36ra | peters: im gonna work on that when im more sober. I saved this thread in ~. |
| 06:48.22 | peterS | heh |
| 06:48.26 | roods | mhall i just installed fink and i'm installing some linux software i like. |
| 06:48.31 | nathanh | roods, but when she's finished with it, install debian :-) |
| 06:49.12 | Guerin | hrm, export TERM=linux fixed that problem |
| 06:49.19 | mhall | gah somebody is abusing my cat5 cables |
| 06:49.28 | mhall | this one has a nasty crease in it |
| 06:49.29 | Guerin | !praise emacs for its useful "this term is fucked" error message |
| 06:49.35 | z36ra | I was just happy to get the opyical mouse working but it's jumpy as hell |
| 06:49.41 | peterS | Guerin: heh |
| 06:49.43 | Guerin | !bunnysmite mhall |
| 06:49.47 | z36ra | pardon the speeling |
| 06:49.48 | mhall | Guerin: lol |
| 06:50.29 | Guerin | wtf is a MDA console? |
| 06:50.30 | Duelist | So nobody knows why DHCP won't lease an IP longer than a week? |
| 06:50.33 | mhall | Guerin: you know my roommate works at a law office, and a lawyer came up to him with a bifurcated power cord and asked for a fresh one |
| 06:50.34 | Guerin | (for example) |
| 06:50.47 | mhall | Guerin: he asked what the hell happened |
| 06:50.55 | mhall | Guerin: it had been bunnysmitten |
| 06:50.56 | Duelist | I mean, that's still sufficient I guess but in the future it might become a problem |
| 06:51.07 | peterS | Guerin: MDA == the original IBM PC monochrome graphics adapter. *nobody* has one anymore |
| 06:51.15 | mhall | peterS: useful for debugging |
| 06:51.28 | Guerin | mhall: heh. My bunny has hit bare wire on several unearthed 220v power cables, and is just fine. I think he's immune to electricity. |
| 06:51.28 | mhall | peterS: that's why it's there still, i believe |
| 06:51.28 | peterS | Guerin: however, as it happens, it does not conflict with VGA, so you *can* have both an MDA and a VGA adapter in your system at once |
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| 06:51.39 | nathanh | mda == monochrome display adapter, if you wondered what the acronym was |
| 06:51.43 | mhall | Guerin: i don't think it usually hurts them too much |
| 06:51.50 | nathanh | peters is right about the "nobody has one anymore" thing :-) |
| 06:52.00 | mhall | peterS: it was designed on purpose not to conflict with VGA |
| 06:52.00 | roods | mhall, i can't get gnome to start got a few minutes |
| 06:52.04 | z36ra | peters; oh this is fun. I love the old stuff. |
| 06:52.08 | peterS | Guerin: I think it's 80x25 text only. but I've never owned one |
| 06:52.17 | peterS | mhall: well, not to conflict with CGA. VGA was several years later, you know |
| 06:52.21 | mhall | peterS: or rather VGA was designed not to conflict with MDA |
| 06:52.25 | mhall | peterS: right |
| 06:52.45 | mhall | peterS: but anyways, it was a deliberate move for developers needing a two screen debug rig |
| 06:52.48 | Guerin | peterS: ah, ok. So it wouldn't be the cause of my framebuffer (penguin and all) coming up, getting to "no isapnp devices found", then refusing to update the display? I know the res of the boot process completes, because I hear the speakers pop on |
| 06:53.09 | peterS | Guerin: don't know what would cause that, but MDA wouldn't, since I guarantee you do not have one in your box |
| 06:53.15 | mhall | Guerin: unless you have got ISA, kill all the ISA crap you see |
| 06:53.19 | Guerin | peterS: right, ok. |
| 06:53.23 | peterS | Guerin: possibly some frame buffer code somewhere could, though |
| 06:53.24 | mhall | Guerin: it will goof crap up |
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| 06:53.34 | Guerin | mhall: I have an isapnp sound card which isn't detected by any isapnp stuff |
| 06:53.43 | mhall | Guerin: ah, no big deal |
| 06:53.55 | mhall | Guerin: kill all of the kernel ISAPnP, just keep plain ISA |
| 06:54.07 | mhall | Guerin: then config it with the PnP in alsa-driver instead |
| 06:54.16 | Guerin | mhall: hrm, ok. I don't need it if I can specify the correct modules etc. ? |
| 06:54.29 | mhall | Guerin: if you get into the alsa driver source dir just use ./configure --with-isapnp=yes |
| 06:54.35 | puff | So I re-auto-detected everything, now the CD-ROM installer boots up and all, but it's making me repeat the installation process, initialize the partitions, etc. |
| 06:54.38 | mhall | Guerin: ALSA will magically fix it up for you |
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| 06:54.45 | peterS | Guerin: you do need ISAPNP support if you want a sound driver to load without a lot of manual fiddling, yes |
| 06:54.47 | Guerin | ah, I know how to get this evil card working pretty well. |
| 06:55.01 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, I have /etc/modules, etc, all set up for it. |
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| 06:55.18 | peterS | Guerin: including enabling the card with usable I/O address and IRQ line? |
| 06:55.27 | peterS | Guerin: all that *can* be done in user space, but it's a headache |
| 06:55.28 | Guerin | peterS: hrm. |
| 06:55.35 | coywolf | which is the glibc package? |
| 06:55.40 | peterS | coywolf: libc6 |
| 06:55.46 | mhall | coywolf: i think libc6 |
| 06:55.55 | Guerin | ok, since the isapnp subsystems work fine in all other kernels, I'll leave them in and work on my framebuffer |
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| 06:55.58 | peterS | Guerin: I think some isapnp hardware comes up usable by default, but other hardware requires explicit isapnp initialisation |
| 06:56.03 | mhall | coywolf: erm last i check wolves were not coy? |
| 06:56.09 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, this one is a BASTARD |
| 06:56.11 | peterS | Guerin: the latter *can* be done by the bios, if you enable this, with many bioses |
| 06:56.12 | mhall | checked* |
| 06:56.21 | coywolf | mhall, :p |
| 06:56.24 | mhall | !mhallsmite ISA |
| 06:56.24 | dpkg | Fuck ISA. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 06:56.26 | Guerin | peterS: no, this bios is braindead. |
| 06:56.41 | mhall | !mhallsmite Guerin's BIOS |
| 06:56.42 | dpkg | Fuck Guerin's BIOS. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 06:56.51 | Guerin | toshiba already did... |
| 06:56.59 | mhall | Guerin: I think I've taken care of the cursory hardware insults... |
| 06:57.48 | Guerin | any way to get smaller fonts in console? |
| 06:57.55 | Guerin | (smaller than what, you say) |
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| 06:57.59 | z36ra | I got booted out of #debian for doin that shiot |
| 06:58.10 | peterS | Guerin: install 'svgatextmode' |
| 06:58.11 | z36ra | man! that pisses me off! |
| 06:58.30 | Guerin | and higher resolution isn't an option, because this thing only does 800x600 with fixed dot pitch |
| 06:58.31 | peterS | Guerin: depending on your video adapter, you might be able to get 80x60 (best you can do with generic VGA) or much better, like 144x72 for a GeForce 2 I once had |
| 06:58.34 | Guerin | roger that |
| 06:58.42 | mhall | z36ra: which shit? |
| 06:58.53 | Guerin | oh, I have 100x37 or something with vga=789 |
| 06:58.58 | z36ra | all that cussin |
| 06:59.00 | peterS | Guerin: /etc/TextConfig is the svgatextmode config file, and it's rather long but the interesting bits are near the top |
| 06:59.01 | Guerin | but I want even smaller! |
| 06:59.11 | mhall | z36ra: i've cussed since 1998 |
| 06:59.20 | mhall | z36ra: i am guessing there was more to it |
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| 07:00.12 | z36ra | mhall: I dont like Sony, I cuss, and I'm a dick sometimes. |
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| 07:00.23 | puff | Odd, so it seems to be going through the whole kernel installation again. |
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| 07:01.40 | z36ra | and now Im goin for another rum&coke |
| 07:01.59 | puff | Okay, I'm now at the "install the base system" prompt. I've got the kernel and I've got network. |
| 07:02.21 | jetscreamer | puff we're all excited |
| 07:02.27 | mhall | z36ra: what kind of dick exactly |
| 07:02.28 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:02.29 | jetscreamer | !congratulate puff |
| 07:02.30 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies puff, you did it! |
| 07:02.31 | puff | Question: considering that I need to a) upgrade the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 and b) tweak to lba48 |
| 07:02.39 | mhall | z36ra: if you are the sexist kind that will usually get you kicked |
| 07:02.52 | puff | Should I continue with "Install the base system", or should I skip to some other step? |
| 07:02.58 | mhall | z36ra: if you're like sussudio and mwilson and you rape n00bs, probably not much will happen |
| 07:03.12 | jetscreamer | puff, base is like base... basis for all to work on... |
| 07:03.18 | jetscreamer | aka yes, install it |
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| 07:04.04 | puff | jetscreamer Okay, (*you* were the one telling me not to install stuff twice, IRRC :-). |
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| 07:04.08 | factotum | puff, you can apt-get the kernel, its quite easy that way. At least to start out with. |
| 07:04.10 | jetscreamer | hey so wtf startx starts up xterm and xterm starts up all the other stuff |
| 07:04.37 | glick | anyone running debian on a dell laptop? |
| 07:04.40 | z36ra | mhall: haa |
| 07:04.40 | puff | jetscreamer That's usually how it works, in my experience. |
| 07:04.46 | puff | Not that I know that much about x. |
| 07:04.52 | mhall | z36ra: just telling it like it is |
| 07:05.00 | jetscreamer | puff, if you're gonna go sarge or sid from woody, yeah just exit and edit /etc/apt/sources.list then redo it |
| 07:05.15 | puff | glick I tried that once, back around 1999, it sucked horrendously, but everybody tells me linux-on-laptop is a much less painfule experience now. |
| 07:05.22 | peterS | jetscreamer: not usually. startx runs ~/.xsession and ~/.xsession does whatever it wants |
| 07:05.30 | puff | jetscreamer I already kicked off the base install, dangit. |
| 07:05.38 | jetscreamer | puff, even better, use that apt souce list generator in the installer, if you're stil in the installer, and edit it there then just keep going |
| 07:05.42 | mhall | puff: it still sucks if you pick the wrong laptop |
| 07:05.44 | peterS | jetscreamer: if you don't have a ~/.xsession or a session manager installed, startx defaults to giving you an xterm |
| 07:05.45 | jetscreamer | puff, np it's small |
| 07:05.57 | puff | mhall I'll be checking back here when I get to that point... |
| 07:06.00 | glick | puff ive been runnin linux on this laptop since i got it two years ago with no major problems at all |
| 07:06.02 | puff | jescreamer Hokay. |
| 07:06.18 | jetscreamer | peterS, i discovered that startx -e icewm works |
| 07:06.32 | mhall | puff: mine was a fuckin bastard, ACPI sleep and hibernate were teh b0rk3d, wireless was a bitch, ethernet was glitchy |
| 07:06.32 | puff | I really want to find a milspec toughbook... I keep hearing rumors about some website with photos of a tank running over one of these things. |
| 07:06.33 | jetscreamer | !win jetscreamer |
| 07:06.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 07:06.44 | mhall | puff: bot god damn it the CPU scaling worked beautifully |
| 07:06.53 | RainbowW | is there currently a package that will encode an mp3 from a wav? non-free and non-us are both okay. but i can't find the right one. |
| 07:06.57 | mhall | puff: i wrote some scripts i could use to tweak it on the fly |
| 07:06.58 | puff | Okay, so now I'm back at "Make System Bootable", this is where it all went horribly wrong, before. |
| 07:07.11 | mhall | puff: use lilo not grub |
| 07:07.15 | factotum | mhall, sounds like my couple months with slackware heh |
| 07:07.24 | puff | It's offering me LILO in MBR and LILO in boot partition's boot sector. |
| 07:07.30 | jetscreamer | mbr |
| 07:07.33 | RainbowW | puff: mbr. |
| 07:07.39 | puff | That's what I picked before... okay. |
| 07:08.13 | z36ra | replace mbr with zeros |
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| 07:08.35 | jetscreamer | puff, if it breaks again, boot the cd, type rescue root=/dev/hda1 at the boot: prompt (or hdxx whatever).. then after it boots, type lilo as root and reboot |
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| 07:09.03 | nixbox | hi all |
| 07:09.03 | factotum | new kernel time to r'boot |
| 07:09.04 | Duelist | RainbowW: You probably want LAME |
| 07:09.08 | Stinky_Finger | ok I have to bother you with an ubernoob question, do I need to be in a specific directory to config my kernel? |
| 07:09.15 | puff | Whee, here we go! |
| 07:09.26 | RainbowW | Duelist: is there a debian package for it? "lame" is a non-existant target. |
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| 07:09.30 | Stinky_Finger | I was configureing it yesterday but for somereason I can't today, I must be missing something I did yesterday |
| 07:09.33 | mass | very odd, mdrun seems to be assembling from the drives |
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| 07:09.37 | mass | not the partitions on the drives |
| 07:09.49 | nixbox | i have installed sarge base system, i just did 'apt-get install kernel-tree-2.6.8', that has completed, now do i have to configure and install the kernel manually? |
| 07:09.58 | glick | what should i use for my laptop apm or acpi? |
| 07:10.28 | rich_ | glick whichever one it supports |
| 07:10.29 | nathanh | glick: acpi if it works |
| 07:11.13 | z36ra | kudzu... haaa |
| 07:11.30 | Duelist | RainbowW: I'm looking now... if you have non-free and non-US you should be able to install it from dselect (or synaptic or whatever) |
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| 07:11.36 | xarg | hi all |
| 07:11.48 | puff | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.07 | mhall | xarg: shouldn't your nickname be xargs? |
| 07:12.09 | RainbowW | Duelist: searching in dselect produces only "toolame" which only does mp2 files. |
| 07:12.11 | z36ra | puff: replace the cdrom drive. |
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| 07:12.22 | mhall | puff: uh maybe you need to change boot orders? |
| 07:12.23 | xarg | mhall: I am not plural |
| 07:12.25 | puff | Hm, put the cdrom in and hit enter, it doesn't try to read the cd, just the floppy. |
| 07:12.38 | mhall | xarg: but the arguments are |
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| 07:12.42 | z36ra | puff: replace the cdrom drive. |
| 07:12.44 | mhall | xarg especially in #debian |
| 07:12.51 | puff | mhall Could be, right now it's CDROM, A, C |
| 07:12.55 | xarg | mhall: yea especially here |
| 07:12.55 | puff | What should it bE? |
| 07:13.02 | mhall | puff look on cdimage.debian.org and make sure it's burned right too |
| 07:13.03 | jetscreamer | puff if you just reinstalled why are you booting the cd? |
| 07:13.17 | puff | jetscreamer Because you told me to. |
| 07:13.17 | jetscreamer | puff yes of course it's looking on the cdrom first then |
| 07:13.19 | mhall | puff: shouldn't the hard disk come first chief |
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| 07:13.31 | z36ra | puff: Im tellin ya... replace that old-ass drive |
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| 07:13.41 | mhall | puff: don't do things just because people say so |
| 07:13.51 | mhall | puff: what if i told you to run rm -rm / |
| 07:13.56 | jetscreamer | puff, it doesn't matter actually |
| 07:13.57 | xarg | I have compiled exim from a source deb and installed my own version of the package how do I get dist-upgrade to ignore exim4 and not replace my customized package? |
| 07:14.03 | puff | mhall Dunno, I was assuming CDrom should come first... should it be HD instead? |
| 07:14.08 | jetscreamer | puff, it's faster if you put c first |
| 07:14.17 | Duelist | RainbowW: Then your sources.list needs to be updated |
| 07:14.20 | dondelelcaro | xarg: did you remove exim4 first? |
| 07:14.32 | puff | jetscreamer Doesn't that make it impossible to boot it up with media to override the HD? |
| 07:14.33 | jetscreamer | puff, but to boot from the cdrom, you need to actually be able to boot from the cdrom |
| 07:14.36 | Duelist | I have lame, lame-extras, liblame-dev, liblame0 |
| 07:14.46 | puff | jetscreamer Well, I was able to boot from the cdrom, like I said. |
| 07:14.47 | dondelelcaro | xarg: in the future, if you really want a customized package, you're better of making a .deb. If not, you better learn about equivs. |
| 07:14.51 | puff | But apparently I have to reboot entirely. |
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| 07:14.54 | mhall | woohoo 120MB of archives |
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| 07:15.00 | jetscreamer | puff, yeah so when you're done just put it back or something |
| 07:15.01 | puff | So, before I do that, should I change the boot sequence? |
| 07:15.10 | Stinky_Finger | argh |
| 07:15.10 | xarg | dondelelcaro: I did make a .deb |
| 07:15.21 | jetscreamer | puff, it should still boot to hd if you don't have a cd in it though |
| 07:15.26 | dondelelcaro | xarg: then put your exim package on hold |
| 07:15.29 | puff | It didn't. |
| 07:15.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:15.43 | puff | It was on CDROM, A, C, there's also CDROM, C, A. |
| 07:15.47 | dondelelcaro | !tell xarg about hold |
| 07:15.47 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
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| 07:15.58 | puff | and C, A |
| 07:16.05 | puff | and A, C. |
| 07:16.18 | jetscreamer | yeah slightly older bios , i have some |
| 07:16.22 | xarg | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 07:16.30 | RainbowW | Duelist: then you have something other than sid in your sources.list. packages.debian.org search for lame in sid produces flamethrower, glame, systemimager-server-flamethrowerd, toolame. |
| 07:16.32 | jetscreamer | just change it back to c, whatever, whatever |
| 07:16.47 | Guerin | !lame |
| 07:16.48 | dpkg | somebody said lame was : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 07:16.52 | jetscreamer | or cdrom, c , a till you are sure you don't need to boot the cd |
| 07:17.01 | Duelist | RainbowW: Hmm, maybe I do... I have testing and unstable |
| 07:17.11 | Guerin | Duelist: you also have marillat, I bet |
| 07:17.14 | puff | Okay, doing that. |
| 07:17.19 | Duelist | Guerin: Let me look |
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| 07:17.29 | Guerin | Duelist: well, since lame is not in debian... |
| 07:17.38 | puff | It still seems to take forever and a day at the "Found CDROM" stage, but it hit that stage first this time. |
| 07:17.59 | puff | Fuck, same error. |
| 07:18.26 | puff | That is, after changing the order, I ejected the CD and tried the HD boot again, same error. |
| 07:18.52 | puff | Trying to reboot with cd back in. |
| 07:18.56 | RainbowW | kaching, thank yall most kindly. |
| 07:19.12 | fyn | How do I, in my sources.list, specify that a source is only to be used for certain packages? Or can I? |
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| 07:19.35 | peterS | fyn: that's called "pinning" and is kind of evil |
| 07:19.45 | peterS | fyn: but, if you really want to, /msg dpkg pinning |
| 07:19.45 | MobyTurbo | fyn: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 07:20.02 | MobyTurbo | peterS: GMTA |
| 07:20.20 | fyn | Well, what I want to do is use one package out of a collection of backports, and its deps, without upgrading everything that happens to be in there.. |
| 07:20.29 | fyn | Is pinning the most appropriate way? |
| 07:20.31 | Duelist | Yeah, I do |
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| 07:20.51 | Guerin | peterS: hahah, that's hilarious |
| 07:20.56 | peterS | fyn: probably. I don't know if it is flexible enough to let you pick something from backports.org as opposed to a different distribution like testing or unstable |
| 07:21.11 | Guerin | peterS: it is |
| 07:21.16 | peterS | Guerin: good deal, then |
| 07:21.21 | RainbowW | i -so- love having my own mirror. |
| 07:21.24 | Guerin | pinning pwns, but it is really easy to fuck up |
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| 07:21.39 | puff | Okay, back at the boot prompt. |
| 07:21.46 | puff | Should I try the "rescue root=/dev/hda1" now? |
| 07:22.51 | zu22 | peterS: here is a good intro i found: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 07:23.09 | Guerin | man apt_preferences isn't too bad |
| 07:23.20 | Guerin | it has the magic numbers in it |
| 07:23.46 | RainbowW | is installing a 2nd proc typically a big deal, beyond installing an smp kernel? |
| 07:23.58 | dondelelcaro | RainbowW: nope. |
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| 07:24.18 | RainbowW | cool. |
| 07:24.31 | puff | Hm, Kernel panic. |
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| 07:24.46 | peterS | puff: you can try 'rescbf24 root=/dev/hda1' |
| 07:25.09 | puff | Hokay, rebooting to try that. |
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| 07:25.26 | puff | Is the "new" installer any friendlier for this sort of thing? |
| 07:25.48 | peterS | puff: not really |
| 07:26.06 | Guerin | hrm, why does cplay pause between tracks... |
| 07:26.07 | puff | Sigh. |
| 07:26.12 | peterS | puff: in fact it's less friendly, because its kernel comes without any of the useful disk modules included, so you have to boot it *as* an installer so that it can load modules |
| 07:26.20 | peterS | Guerin: it does? |
| 07:26.38 | peterS | Guerin: it should pause only long enough for ogg123 or mpg123 to exit and another one to start |
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| 07:27.02 | peterS | Guerin: if mpg123 or ogg123 take a long time to either stop or start, that would explain it |
| 07:27.23 | Guerin | peterS: hrmm, maybe it's that that's taking ages |
| 07:27.46 | peterS | Guerin: ogg123/mpg123 *might* be buffering a bit of decoded output before starting - so that it won't skip later on |
| 07:27.59 | Guerin | yeah, something like that |
| 07:28.18 | Yabden | mp3blaster works good |
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| 07:28.26 | Yabden | nice ncurses interface, runs good |
| 07:28.29 | mhall | Guerin: mpg123 is glitchy |
| 07:28.37 | mhall | Guerin: it eats more CPU than XMMS does |
| 07:28.41 | mhall | Guerin: omgwtfbbq |
| 07:28.51 | peterS | Guerin: well, using ogg123/mpg123 as backends has its disadvantages. at some point I might try and hack cplay to do a better job with that - use those as decoders but play the decoded data directly |
| 07:28.53 | Guerin | ideally, there'd be an xmms-console with a ncurses UI and all the same code/plugins/features/goodness |
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| 07:29.05 | Yabden | seriously check out mp3blaster, its great |
| 07:29.11 | Guerin | will do |
| 07:29.44 | Guerin | peterS: the main trouble I can see is that it doesn't play many formats and the UI is fucking horrible |
| 07:29.54 | peterS | Guerin: what? mp3blaster or cplay? |
| 07:30.15 | Guerin | peterS: I'd figure it should be able to play any arbitrary format if you can tell it which decoder to use |
| 07:30.18 | Guerin | cplay |
| 07:30.26 | Guerin | haven't looked at mp3blaster |
| 07:30.37 | peterS | Guerin: I care about this issue because I maintain cplay (: and you *can* tell it arbitrary decoders. it's just not very well documented how to customise it |
| 07:30.50 | Guerin | peterS: ah, ok. |
| 07:30.55 | puff | Shit, okay, tried rescbf24 /dev/hda1, kernel panic again. |
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| 07:31.05 | Guerin | peterS: the manpage says ogg/mp3/some others |
| 07:31.14 | puff | /dev/hda1 is supposed to be the bootable partition, right? |
| 07:31.16 | peterS | Guerin: there is a /usr/share/doc/cplay/examples/cplayrc which you can copy to /etc/ and customise |
| 07:31.31 | peterS | puff: that only matters if you don't have lilo or grub in your MBR |
| 07:31.33 | Guerin | the best thing about xmms is that it has plugins for every format there is |
| 07:31.46 | Guerin | peterS: ah, cool, I looked in /etc/ and didn't see one |
| 07:31.52 | puff | Says: "Warning: unable to open an initial console \n Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." |
| 07:32.08 | Guerin | peterS: I didn't know you were a DD |
| 07:32.18 | peterS | Guerin: indeed. that's one thing I'll change as I take over cplay - I intend to actually ship a /etc/cplayrc, with useful stuff in it, commented out |
| 07:32.22 | brapp | puff: have you tried passing an init= to the kernel? |
| 07:32.32 | Stinky_Finger | ok i'm getting frustrated, i'm missing something I did yesterday |
| 07:32.49 | peterS | Guerin: I'm not. but I offered to adopt cplay when it was offered for adoption, so I own it now. I haven't uploaded any versions yet, so you won't find me in the changelog yet (: |
| 07:32.51 | puff | brapp I suspect it'd be more useful if there was something to the right of the "=" in that. |
| 07:32.52 | Stinky_Finger | if I want to config a kernel basically I just have to be in the right dir and run the menuconfig? |
| 07:32.55 | mhall | peterS: i love RCs that ship with useful stuff commented out |
| 07:33.01 | Stinky_Finger | am I missing a step other then getting the right dir? |
| 07:33.15 | peterS | mhall: right. one in /usr/share/doc/foo/examples/ just isn't the same |
| 07:33.16 | mhall | peterS: I did not even know nano supported highlighting because it was buried 10 ft deep in /usr/share/doc |
| 07:33.36 | peterS | mhall: so yes, that's a change I intend to make to cplay when I get enough other changes to justify an upload |
| 07:33.38 | brapp | puff: yes, exactly, have you tried passing it with an init? |
| 07:33.43 | mhall | peterS: btw i was bein sarcastic |
| 07:33.47 | Guerin | peterS: hrm, nice. so code to be able to set *.ape -> /usr/bin/mac -foo in cplayrc is on the cards? |
| 07:34.08 | peterS | Guerin: I've never heard of that one. but since you mention it, I'll put it on a todo list somewhere to look into that |
| 07:34.52 | Guerin | peterS: hehoh, that was just an obscure example - I'm talking about that sort of thing, that a user can put in their cplayrc: play files matching this pattern with this binary and these options |
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| 07:35.15 | peterS | Guerin: yes, exactly. read /usr/share/doc/cplay/examples/cplayrc and you'll see other examples of similar feats |
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| 07:35.27 | Guerin | yeah, looking now |
| 07:35.39 | peterS | Guerin: /etc/cplayrc or ~/.cplayrc, but I'd like to put a better-documented one somewhere |
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| 07:36.29 | Guerin | yeah, I see |
| 07:36.38 | peterS | !find usr/bin/mac |
| 07:36.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/bin/mac' (7 shown; 9 total): (/usr/bin/mactime) in admin/tct ;; (/usr/bin/macchanger) in net/macchanger ;; (/usr/bin/macptopbm) in graphics/netpbm ;; (/usr/bin/machinemon) in admin/dmachinemon ;; (/usr/bin/mactime-sleuthkit) in admin/sleuthkit ;; (/usr/bin/{macbinary|macusers}) in net/netatalk ;; (/usr/bin/{macro1|macro7|macro8x}) in otherosfs/simh. |
| 07:36.57 | peterS | !find usr/bin/mac$ |
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| 07:37.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/bin/mac' returned no results. |
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| 07:38.30 | peterS | "WSU had a team hitting percentage of .402 to .019 for Evansville." - that's a pretty lopsided volleyball match. I wonder if it's a typo. |
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| 07:40.34 | Phazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.35 | Phazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.35 | Phazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.35 | Phazor | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:40.35 | Phazor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:40.47 | Guerin | peterS: /msg dpkg rarewares |
| 07:40.56 | peterS | Phazor: ascii art is not welcome, thanks |
| 07:40.58 | sussudio | !fist Phazor |
| 07:41.03 | Phazor | i didnt do that |
| 07:41.11 | Phazor | somone messing with my ssh |
| 07:41.14 | Bugalugs | hello all |
| 07:41.15 | Phazor | probly my brother |
| 07:41.21 | Bugalugs | haxed to the max? |
| 07:41.28 | peterS | Phazor: uh huh. even so. don't let it happen again |
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| 07:41.35 | Guerin | peterS: mac is a particularly braindead lossless audio codec which is a horrible waste of cpu time, far inferior to flac. |
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| 07:41.54 | peterS | Guerin: I see. and mac files are typically named *.ape? |
| 07:41.54 | puff | brapp So what exactly would go in the init param? |
| 07:42.02 | Guerin | peterS: typically, yeah |
| 07:42.08 | Arelius | mac? |
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| 07:42.18 | Guerin | peterS: you might know it as monkey's audio codec |
| 07:42.36 | mhall | Arelius: monkey's audio codec |
| 07:42.42 | Arelius | ahh, thanks |
| 07:42.44 | mhall | Arelius: free open lossless audio compression |
| 07:42.45 | peterS | Guerin: I don't think I've heard of it at all. I don't use flac or shn |
| 07:42.51 | jetscreamer | ape is like big & fat |
| 07:42.51 | mhall | Arelius: files are .APE |
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| 07:42.55 | Arelius | mhall, I do know of flax though, thanks |
| 07:43.01 | jetscreamer | makes huge files |
| 07:43.02 | mhall | Arelius: no, flac |
| 07:43.05 | Arelius | mhall, flac even |
| 07:43.08 | Guerin | nothing pwns flac in the lossless department |
| 07:43.10 | Arelius | mhall, typo |
| 07:43.13 | mhall | jetscreamer: not much bigger than MP3/320 |
| 07:43.32 | jetscreamer | bigger than mp3 or flac or anything else i've touched |
| 07:43.33 | mass | .ape has very slightly smaller files, more CPU utilization in codec, and is closed source |
| 07:43.36 | mhall | jetscreamer: besides if you have a 250GB disk, what the hell do you care? |
| 07:43.46 | Guerin | mhall: and take ~5x the cpu to [de]compress |
| 07:43.46 | mhall | mass: closed source? |
| 07:44.02 | mass | but, it is popular for international use sometimes, because it actually supports UTF-8 |
| 07:44.06 | mass | well |
| 07:44.23 | peterS | mass: flac doesn't? I would have expected it to, particularly when encapsulated in ogg |
| 07:44.25 | mass | "email me and tell me what you plan to use the source for, and I'll either give it to you or license it to you" |
| 07:44.30 | mhall | my mistake |
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| 07:44.41 | Guerin | mass: hah, so controlfreakware, then |
| 07:44.43 | mass | ogg does not have a tag encoding object, which really sucks |
| 07:44.47 | mass | its part of vorbis |
| 07:44.54 | mass | or at least, it was last year when I checked ;-) |
| 07:44.56 | peterS | mass: I know, but even so |
| 07:45.22 | peterS | mass: yeah, I don't quite understand why tags are part of vorbis rather than an object in the encapsulation layer, either |
| 07:45.34 | zbowling | i just donated $25 to debian. I donate $25 for every machine I install with debian |
| 07:45.46 | peterS | zbowling: cool deal |
| 07:45.52 | mass | peterS: yeah, no clue there. |
| 07:45.52 | mhall | zbowling: good of you |
| 07:45.59 | mhall | zbowling: i'm poor |
| 07:46.09 | mass | I donate $25 for every install which goes without a hitch |
| 07:46.12 | mass | ;-) |
| 07:46.15 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:46.38 | rich_ | What could go wrong? |
| 07:46.38 | mhall | mass: haha |
| 07:46.41 | mass | mdrun is ignoring the partition #s and just trying to mount the drives wholesale into a raid |
| 07:46.42 | peterS | mass: in other words, nothing so far? |
| 07:46.47 | mass | so I replaced the whole thing with my own script |
| 07:46.50 | zbowling | so far I've donated $200.. trying to get my empolyer to match my donations since I install for them... |
| 07:46.53 | mass | and I think it booted right |
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| 07:47.08 | mass | zbowling: rockin' :) |
| 07:47.45 | mass | mdrun is really.. gross |
| 07:47.55 | mass | I just want to get the install done so I can go back and figure it all out :) |
| 07:48.07 | spilo | Hello guys.. I just recently installed GDM and since than I cant login with GUI interface.. I get errors..What do you suggest? |
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| 07:48.12 | Arelius | mass if I donated for every install that went without a hitch, I would have donated 0$ |
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| 07:48.52 | Guerin | hrm, how to do accented characters using a compose key in console? |
| 07:48.56 | mass | Arelius: actually this is the first time I've ever messed with software raid, so I'm surprised I'm still here |
| 07:49.03 | mass | i mean, that the planet is still here :) |
| 07:49.13 | Guerin | if I had a working framebuffer I'd consider googling for it, but I don't so I cba |
| 07:49.14 | peterS | Guerin: I customized my own /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz |
| 07:49.18 | peterS | Guerin: I don't know if there was an easier way |
| 07:49.30 | rich_ | I havent had any trouble installing debian since succeeding the first time, many years ago. Once you know what modules you need, it's easy |
| 07:49.33 | Arelius | mass, heh, atleast it isn't some wird hardware raid, then you would be in for some real trouble |
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| 07:49.53 | mass | Arelius: this machine has a hardware raid in it toooo |
| 07:49.54 | zbowling | tried to explain to them, yes it free and no the people who write this software don't get paid directly for this great stuff, and every time they ask me how I saved the company thousands every year, i tell them how I did it and what they need to do if they want to keep that savings going and who to donate too (and we just a very small company) |
| 07:49.59 | dondelelcaro | surprisingly, most real hardware raid is well supported |
| 07:50.10 | Arelius | mass, does it work? |
| 07:50.14 | mass | and the kernel installed is before the driver was merged into the mainline kernel (2.6.9) |
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| 07:50.16 | peterS | Guerin: mine is at http://p12n.org/tmp/boottime.kmap.gz - it makes right-side ctrl into a compose, and possibly a couple other tweaks you may or may not want, such as CapsLock -> Ctrl |
| 07:50.20 | mass | so.. yeah, I'll be having fun with that next :) |
| 07:50.21 | spilo | I cant log in with GDM it crashes.. I get errors.. Any Ideas Guys?please.. |
| 07:50.30 | Arelius | dondelelcaro, I have had bad experiences with Newer SATA hardware raid |
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| 07:50.53 | peterS | Guerin: my boottime.kmap.gz supports all of iso-8859-15 |
| 07:51.00 | dondelelcaro | Arelius: um... there's only one group I know of making hardware raid... and that's 3ware |
| 07:51.07 | dondelelcaro | rrr.. hardware SATA raid |
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| 07:51.18 | Guerin | peterS: hrm, cool. I don't have a right-side ctrl, but that's a technicality |
| 07:51.19 | Arelius | dondelelcaro, it is an "ITE" card |
| 07:51.42 | inter | hi all, has anyone had luck with the ck kernel patches (2.6.9)? i continuously get a file system error when the kernel attempts to mount the root partition (reiserfs) |
| 07:51.45 | zbowling | I'm running a custom build of 2.6.8 base with a bunch of patches from 2.6.9 and some from the upcomming 2.6.10... |
| 07:52.04 | zbowling | runs like a dream :-) |
| 07:52.04 | dondelelcaro | Arelius: that sure sounds like software raid |
| 07:52.10 | peterS | Guerin: well, use 'showkey' to see what your keys represent themselves as, and edit boottime.kmap.gz accordingly |
| 07:52.36 | jetscreamer | okie so i ssh host command-script ... which runs in the background.... ssh doesn't exit though, how do i tell it to exec the cmd and exit? |
| 07:52.55 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: the command has to daemonize |
| 07:53.03 | Arelius | dondelelcaro, hmm, I dunno, It was on a friends board |
| 07:53.06 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:53.26 | peterS | jetscreamer: and it has to close its file descriptors, or ssh will keep running so that it can do file input/output |
| 07:53.30 | dondelelcaro | Arelius: yeah, if it's on the motherboard, it's almost definetly not hardware raid |
| 07:53.40 | jetscreamer | how does one daemonize something, or is that what the programmer does |
| 07:53.49 | Guerin | peterS: yeah. I need to find a utf-8 one |
| 07:53.58 | peterS | jetscreamer: just running with '&' as well as redirecting stdin/stdout/stderr *might* be good enough |
| 07:54.09 | Guerin | peterS: and I REALLY don't want to do all of utf-8 |
| 07:54.11 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it has to fork away from the shell... sometimes nohup will be good enough |
| 07:54.15 | Guerin | by hand, I mean |
| 07:54.21 | dondelelcaro | eg, nohup foocmd & |
| 07:54.22 | peterS | Guerin: in console mode you only have a subset of utf-8 available anyway. VGA hardware can, I believe, hold 512 glyphs at a time |
| 07:54.26 | jetscreamer | ok what do i man |
| 07:54.28 | puff | Nohup, yeah. |
| 07:54.36 | Arelius | dondelelcaro, hmm, probally was then |
| 07:54.37 | Guerin | peterS: ah, of course. |
| 07:54.40 | jetscreamer | besides ssh |
| 07:54.41 | Guerin | hrm. |
| 07:54.52 | peterS | Guerin: so you *might* have some luck just taking my boottime.kmap.gz (uncompressed) and running it through 'iconv -f iso-8859-15 -t utf-8' |
| 07:54.55 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: ssh foobox 'nohup foocmd &'; |
| 07:54.58 | peterS | Guerin: but that's not something I've explored |
| 07:54.59 | puff | nohup keeps the sub-process from being killed when you log out. |
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| 07:55.19 | jetscreamer | ah... what does one man for these things |
| 07:55.27 | puff | man nohup. |
| 07:55.27 | jetscreamer | like nohup |
| 07:55.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:55.30 | Guerin | peterS: heh, ok. Once my new gdmf kernel gets built I'll look into it |
| 07:55.40 | peterS | Guerin: good luck, dude |
| 07:55.41 | puff | AFAIK, that's pretty much it, nohup and put it in background. |
| 07:55.45 | jetscreamer | ok but an overall view of this kind of stuff... |
| 07:55.59 | puff | I've never heard this formally defined as "daemonizing" something, but that's what we did at the bank to run the jrun servers as daemons. |
| 07:56.20 | zbowling | I'm build a LFS box because now my entire job is nothing but quality control (secuirty, updates, custom patches) of the software we use in our company and since development of my applications is slow now days since its as powerful as its going to get with a rehaul, i have the time to spend on doing some stuff for the open source community |
| 07:56.41 | puff | Hm... dunno about an overview, maybe some of the classic unix programming books? |
| 07:57.07 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: why bother to build a LFS box? Just spend your time helping fix bugs in Debian, or working on improving the tools that you need to do your own job |
| 07:57.11 | Stinky_Finger | does anyone know where posix is located in the kernel options? |
| 07:57.17 | puff | Maybe http://www.clapper.org/software/daemonize/ |
| 07:57.29 | zbowling | hehe. I have some System V unix books and old tapes from 1992 if you need an overview |
| 07:57.32 | jetscreamer | posix file acl's or whatever are below the fs options |
| 07:57.33 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: huh? |
| 07:57.34 | puff | This looks like a general discussion: http://www.enderunix.org/docs/eng/daemon.php |
| 07:57.36 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: posix isn't an option |
| 07:57.52 | Stinky_Finger | i'm supposed to enable posix |
| 07:58.05 | jetscreamer | look where i said |
| 07:58.06 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: I bet there's more to it than that |
| 07:58.15 | peterS | Stinky_Finger: maybe you mean POSIX ACLs for some specific filesystem? |
| 07:58.16 | jetscreamer | where ext2/3 jfs live in the config |
| 07:58.38 | puff | Fuck, still stuck on booting. |
| 07:58.43 | Stinky_Finger | yeah thats probably it |
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| 07:58.50 | jetscreamer | wb alejandro_ |
| 07:58.52 | puff | I just tried setting the boot sequence to "C only", still failed. |
| 07:59.05 | jetscreamer | puff, what did it do what was the error |
| 07:59.07 | zbowling | dondelelcaro: I would but I want to learn some of the big things in the basics, beacuse I'm great on the top layer of things, but I want to understand the core of things to understand and think apstractly so I can turn around and patch bugs into debian's system of things... |
| 07:59.27 | zbowling | abstractly* |
| 07:59.28 | jetscreamer | zbowling++ |
| 07:59.34 | puff | Gar, just hit control-alt-delete... it was something like "Insert system disk" |
| 08:00.01 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: well, you can do that in the course of fixing a bug. Almost everything in Debian is fairly well documented... |
| 08:00.22 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: once you get used to the tools, and adept at using the debugging methods of whatever language you're using, the rest is pretty straightforward. |
| 08:00.28 | puff | "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" |
| 08:00.37 | zbowling | dondelelcaro: that is ture. I just want to understand building a system with nothing... |
| 08:00.38 | jetscreamer | okie puff go back and boot from the cd and use the rescue root= and edit /etc/lilo.conf and check it make sure it's right then rerun lilo then reboot.... check boot= for hda, not hda1 for instance |
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| 08:01.08 | puff | so step one, switch the boot sequence back to CDROM, C, A |
| 08:01.13 | jetscreamer | yep |
| 08:01.15 | zbowling | dondelelcaro: well I know GTK development and I know almost everything in windows |
| 08:01.17 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: that's just how to build packages... you can learn all of that by building your friendly debian/rules file... |
| 08:01.31 | puff | God, this would be a lot easier if I could figure out a way to shoot MBA. |
| 08:01.37 | dondelelcaro | zbowling: there are faster ways of doing things then building everything from scratch... |
| 08:01.40 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 08:01.44 | jetscreamer | mba? |
| 08:01.51 | puff | Every reboot I have to deal with MBA/PXE |
| 08:01.55 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 08:01.58 | zbowling | dondelelcaro: that is true |
| 08:02.13 | jetscreamer | turn off boot from lan option in bios? |
| 08:02.16 | puff | Can't seem to find a way to disable it. The boot sequence has "LAN, CDROM, A, C", etc, but I'm not using that. |
| 08:02.36 | jetscreamer | i have a seperate setting for it as well |
| 08:02.36 | Stinky_Finger | I can't find posix under the file system |
| 08:02.43 | puff | There's a separate MBA screen (hit control-alt-B right before it goes into MBA) |
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| 08:02.51 | Stinky_Finger | yet another worthless tutorial i've found lists it with other file system options |
| 08:02.57 | jetscreamer | Stinky_Finger, it's under each file system, not just in there |
| 08:03.00 | puff | But I can't figure out what combination of settings on that will disable it. |
| 08:03.15 | puff | It *seems* like it *should* be disabled on that screen... "Default Boot: Local" |
| 08:03.21 | Stinky_Finger | i've selected and deselected every option under file system, nothing with posix on it |
| 08:03.29 | jetscreamer | puff wtf bios is it, new2me |
| 08:03.37 | puff | Award Bios. |
| 08:03.50 | dondelelcaro | Stinky_Finger: there isn't a POSIX option. WTF are you trying to do? |
| 08:03.52 | puff | From googling, this appears to be Argon MBA/PXE. |
| 08:03.55 | jetscreamer | never seen default bootk but whichever |
| 08:04.04 | puff | Okay, I'm back at the boot prompt. |
| 08:04.14 | Stinky_Finger | long term, select what has access to my audio device |
| 08:04.17 | puff | So rescue, root= what? |
| 08:04.21 | Stinky_Finger | short term enable posix for jackd |
| 08:04.25 | Stinky_Finger | an audio server |
| 08:04.40 | puff | Er, rescue root=/dev/hda1? |
| 08:05.05 | puff | With jsut that, it gets as far as "Warning: unable to open an initial console \n Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." |
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| 08:06.17 | puff | The Linux BootPrompt Howto says "The kernel first looks for /sbin/init, then /etc/init (depreciated), and as a last resort, it will try to use /bin/sh (possibly on /etc/rc). If for example, your init program got corrupted and thus stopped you from being able to boot, you could simply use the boot prompt init=/bin/sh which would drop you directly into a shell at boot, " |
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| 08:07.11 | puff | Damn... same kernel panic error. |
| 08:07.16 | dugfin | quick question, probably just something small, I installed firefox using apt and all my menus are completely white |
| 08:07.31 | dugfin | anyone know why right off hand/ |
| 08:07.50 | Stinky_Finger | they wouldn't remove posix from later kernel versions of 2.4 would they? |
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| 08:08.07 | Bugalugs | dugfin update and upgrade apt stuff |
| 08:08.15 | Bugalugs | ive heard someone have problems with that before |
| 08:08.26 | Bugalugs | and they apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:08.28 | Bugalugs | and it worked |
| 08:08.34 | dugfin | Bugalugs: I'm pretty sure it already is, but I'll give it a shot |
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| 08:09.01 | Bugalugs | i once had a problem with no application that used pango having any text on menus, only icons.. had to upgrade pango |
| 08:09.04 | Bugalugs | and then it worked |
| 08:09.08 | Bugalugs | dunno why |
| 08:09.10 | roods | if X11 is a protocal, could someone please define what protocal means |
| 08:09.27 | puff | Hm. |
| 08:09.51 | Stinky_Finger | protocall is like a form factor |
| 08:09.57 | Stinky_Finger | I think |
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| 08:11.35 | Guerin | !win me |
| 08:11.36 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
| 08:11.37 | Stinky_Finger | guerin have you dealt with posix before? |
| 08:11.51 | Guerin | I have won a fully-functional frambuffer, too, and that's way cooler |
| 08:12.04 | MobyTurbo | roods: a protocol is a system of interaction. |
| 08:12.17 | Guerin | Stinky_Finger: hell no, I program about at well as your average ten year-old |
| 08:12.19 | Bugalugs | !win me |
| 08:12.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, bugalugs! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 08:12.24 | MobyTurbo | roods: for a better definition, visit a dictionary site or use "dict". :-) |
| 08:12.29 | Bugalugs | thats shit |
| 08:12.31 | Stinky_Finger | damn it |
| 08:12.40 | mhall | Bugalugs: you got pwned on that one |
| 08:12.40 | Bugalugs | cant even use aol in australia |
| 08:12.42 | Bugalugs | what a rip |
| 08:12.55 | mhall | Bugalugs: hmm be glad you can't use it |
| 08:12.55 | MobyTurbo | Stinky_Finger: POSIX is a standard that Linux partially adheres to. |
| 08:13.06 | Bugalugs | heh |
| 08:13.17 | mhall | Bugalugs: or you'd have to put up with a bloody annoying crew of morons |
| 08:13.20 | Stinky_Finger | would it be something they took out of later versions of 2.4.x? |
| 08:13.40 | Bugalugs | i dont understand how they can all be morons, i always here people talk about aol being morons |
| 08:13.46 | MobyTurbo | Stinky_Finger: read the changelogs and find out. |
| 08:13.49 | Bugalugs | do they have must be a moron on the job description? |
| 08:13.54 | Stinky_Finger | ok thanks |
| 08:14.24 | MobyTurbo | Bugalugs: anyone who would pay over $25 for Win/Mac-only dial-up is by definition not very computer literate. |
| 08:14.34 | Bugalugs | ah |
| 08:14.35 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.37 | jetscreamer | jesus |
| 08:14.43 | twirl | anyone installed courier before? |
| 08:14.43 | Bugalugs | how do they make it win mac only? |
| 08:14.44 | Bugalugs | lol |
| 08:14.49 | Bugalugs | cant you just dialup |
| 08:14.56 | Yabden | no good authentication exists for it on linux |
| 08:15.01 | Bugalugs | ah |
| 08:15.06 | peterS | jetscreamer: consider the fact that you're dealing with someone with the knowledge level to simplify "POSIX access control lists" into "how do I enable posix" |
| 08:15.15 | peterS | jetscreamer: then tell me you're surprised by any of this |
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| 08:15.52 | jetscreamer | i had to untar the source, sorry it took me so long... |
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| 08:16.37 | peterS | jetscreamer: you know - kind of like someone who needs Appletalk and says "how do I enable Mac support" |
| 08:16.46 | MobyTurbo | Yabden: AOL would suck even if it did run on Linux |
| 08:16.56 | Yabden | that goes without saying |
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| 08:18.00 | jetscreamer | windows file permissions are weird in the true console of windows... they have a lot of different letters |
| 08:18.17 | Yabden | i would say if you went through the trouble of setting up a winmodem in linux and got it properly working you more than likely would know enough to not use aol to begin with |
| 08:18.18 | jetscreamer | and a dir listing that looks exactly like ls -lA |
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| 08:18.51 | MobyTurbo | Yabden: I use a dial-up modem but it's not a winmodem. |
| 08:18.57 | Yabden | same here |
| 08:18.59 | rich_ | Ive used aol, it was standard ppp. |
| 08:19.46 | dugfin | so yeah, anyone know why firefox has menus that are white only? I just finished updating and upgrading |
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| 08:20.14 | MobyTurbo | dugfin: you should remove your previous firefox before you upgrade it. |
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| 08:20.17 | jetscreamer | recovery console, that's the term |
| 08:20.35 | dugfin | MobyTurbo: this is a fresh install, no previous version to remove |
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| 08:20.53 | MobyTurbo | dugfin: well, it works here. (tm) |
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| 08:21.36 | dugfin | MobyTurbo: my other system has it working too, just did a apt-get install mozilla-firefox and blamo, menus are all white :/ |
| 08:21.47 | muonix | ircnick |
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| 08:23.06 | nsantos | dugfin: Checked userC*.css? |
| 08:23.14 | pattux | l |
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| 08:24.40 | spilo | guys.. how would I run .bin files? I am trying to install Java on my browser.. |
| 08:24.45 | Stinky_Finger | god damn linux is one hell of a demotivator |
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| 08:25.06 | pw | Stinky_Finger: joy and rapture to you, too. |
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| 08:25.16 | Stinky_Finger | RRRRRRAPTURE! |
| 08:25.19 | nsantos | spilo: The .bin file from Sun? |
| 08:25.24 | spilo | yes |
| 08:25.35 | spilo | I want to install it |
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| 08:25.38 | jetscreamer | wouldn't that be a mac file? |
| 08:25.43 | helloyo | spilo, command prompt chmod u+x *.bin, then ./file.bin |
| 08:25.46 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 08:26.10 | puff | jetscreamer Well, okay, I'm thinking about trying out a new installer, maybe download the most recent sarge or sid installer from debian. |
| 08:26.13 | nsantos | There should've been an installation guide... Try a chmod u+x filename.bin then ./filename.bin |
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| 08:26.20 | puff | Since I'm kind of at a brick wall. |
| 08:26.28 | jetscreamer | puff no workie? wtf |
| 08:26.32 | nsantos | Yeah; what helloyo said. :D |
| 08:26.41 | MobyTurbo | puff: there is no sid installer, though you can use sid repositories with the sarge installer. |
| 08:26.43 | puff | jetscreamer yeah. |
| 08:26.56 | puff | MobyTurbo Ah, sorry, my mistake. |
| 08:27.02 | jetscreamer | puff did you do the rescue root thing? did that boot? |
| 08:27.02 | spilo | Helloyo thanks |
| 08:27.27 | jetscreamer | i had fun with woody once |
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| 08:27.31 | puff | jetscreamer Yeah, got the exact same kernel panic error. |
| 08:27.52 | jetscreamer | puff when you were booting the rescue, or after? |
| 08:27.55 | MobyTurbo | puff: the main drawback, which is why I don't use it, is that the sarge installer doesn't support PPP. |
| 08:27.58 | puff | Somebody after. |
| 08:28.03 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 08:28.08 | puff | Moby I'm on a dsl line. |
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| 08:28.22 | jetscreamer | d-i works for me, but so did the woody cd |
| 08:28.27 | MobyTurbo | puff: well, as long as you don't use pppoe you're probably set then. |
| 08:28.28 | puff | somebody elsenet is suggesting that it might be that woody kernel doesn't recognize the 200GB disk. |
| 08:28.35 | jetscreamer | ahhhhh |
| 08:28.36 | puff | Moby I don't. |
| 08:28.40 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 08:28.42 | puff | d-i? |
| 08:28.44 | jetscreamer | is it sata? |
| 08:28.51 | jetscreamer | !tell puff about d-i |
| 08:28.52 | Guerin | ok, wtf |
| 08:28.55 | puff | at |
| 08:28.58 | MobyTurbo | I use an unofficial woody netinst CD then dist-upgrade to sarge or sid. |
| 08:28.59 | puff | ata |
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| 08:29.19 | nixbox | MobyTurbo, i am installing sarge, using a dialup, did debootstrap, now installing packages. |
| 08:29.20 | Guerin | links2 -g not working in screen? does it just not work in screen, because it thinkgs it can't get to the framebuffer? |
| 08:29.28 | puff | MobyTurbo that's what I was trying to do, but ran into problems. |
| 08:29.28 | MobyTurbo | it all works very smoothly, though I imagine for most people the Woody installer is too difficult for them. |
| 08:29.42 | jetscreamer | woody installer is like fast and simple |
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| 08:29.53 | jetscreamer | one thing though |
| 08:29.57 | rich_ | MobyTurbo depends on your definition of "people" |
| 08:30.00 | zu22 | MobyTurbo: the woody installer is a breeze compared to the one for potato heh |
| 08:30.01 | MobyTurbo | nixbox: hi again. that debootstrap looks neat. |
| 08:30.02 | jetscreamer | bf24 never worked on this one system |
| 08:30.05 | Yabden | i wouldnt say the woody installer is that hard |
| 08:30.06 | jetscreamer | vanilla did |
| 08:30.15 | nixbox | MobyTurbo, it sure is |
| 08:30.28 | puff | yabden Poor UI usability, but not that hard once you know what's going on. |
| 08:30.36 | nixbox | MobyTurbo, its working great, i dont even need to get my winmodem drivers work on debian right now. |
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| 08:31.09 | jetscreamer | puff, you might try not giving it the bf24 option and reinstalling, worked for me on this one box |
| 08:31.15 | jetscreamer | puff, or try d-i |
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| 08:31.26 | puff | jetscreamer I think I'll give d-i a swing. |
| 08:31.48 | jetscreamer | it's only a 50 or 110 mb d/l (your choice) |
| 08:31.55 | spilo | I downlaoded and installed some java file to my linux.. but java is not shown at all in my firefx browse.. what can I do? |
| 08:32.17 | jetscreamer | puff, there are even floppy net install disks available |
| 08:32.25 | MobyTurbo | spilo: /msg dpkg java |
| 08:32.49 | puff | Yeah, I'm waitin for the 110 MB d/l to complete. |
| 08:32.57 | Phated | FLOPPY. :) |
| 08:33.14 | puff | jetscreamer Did you read that URL I pasted earlier, http://www.enderunix.org/docs/eng/daemon.php |
| 08:33.30 | jetscreamer | no didn't see it (/me browses) |
| 08:33.34 | puff | It seems like exactly what you were looking for. |
| 08:33.46 | puff | Detailed discussion of what a process needs for rnning as a daemon. |
| 08:34.04 | spilo | MobyTurbo.. I wa sgiven no message.. |
| 08:34.14 | spilo | what should I install and how? |
| 08:34.14 | puff | Say, earlier somebody implied that it was easy to switch to a more up to date kernel after I get everything up and running. |
| 08:34.21 | puff | What's the best way to do that? |
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| 08:34.28 | peterS | Phated: unfortunately d-i does not support 5 1/4 inch floppies. your machine has to be less than 20 years old. |
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| 08:34.44 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 08:34.45 | jetscreamer | well |
| 08:35.00 | MobyTurbo | spilo: it works here, don't make me waste time. |
| 08:35.08 | peterS | debian 2.2 did, IIRC. or maybe it was debian 2.1. but eventually they quit trying to generate those 1.2 MB floppy images |
| 08:35.13 | spilo | I think I installer JRE from SUN.. is that right file? |
| 08:35.29 | spilo | I swear I have no message.. |
| 08:35.42 | MobyTurbo | spilo: it depends upon if you're only running Java programs/applets or if you are programming in Java. |
| 08:36.02 | spilo | I want to run java applets in browser.. firefox.. |
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| 08:36.24 | puff | Debian has java support now? That'd be nice... |
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| 08:36.30 | jetscreamer | puff, when you install... you need to learn about debconf priority, for the installer, and you can tell it to get a recent kernel... it gives you 2.6.7 last i looked, just by typing expert26 at the boot prompt |
| 08:36.38 | jetscreamer | but that was a month ago |
| 08:36.51 | jetscreamer | errr |
| 08:36.55 | puff | debconf priority? |
| 08:37.09 | spilo | It created JRE directory in my home...but java is not displayed in browser |
| 08:37.13 | MobyTurbo | puff: no, Debian doesn't have official Java support - though of course you can run it and there's an unofficial deb repository for blackdown Java. |
| 08:37.22 | puff | Ah. |
| 08:37.23 | puff | Okay. |
| 08:37.32 | jetscreamer | it gives you that kernel if you type expert26 or linux26... debconf priority sets which programs are installed by default i believe |
| 08:37.35 | nixbox | whats the expected release date of sarge? |
| 08:37.35 | puff | I do a lot of java development, it'd be nice to have apt support for it. |
| 08:37.36 | MobyTurbo | spilo: ln -s the plugin to your browser's plugin directories. |
| 08:37.52 | puff | jetscreamer Ah-ha. |
| 08:37.53 | MobyTurbo | spilo: if you'd read the dpkg messages it will tell you all you need to know. |
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| 08:38.07 | spilo | how do i read them? |
| 08:38.24 | spilo | I am running irssi-text in terminal... |
| 08:38.26 | burnez | !seen rajasun |
| 08:38.27 | dpkg | rajasun <~maximusp@bb220-255-35-173.singnet.com.sg> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 66d 18h 20m 54s ago, saying: 'abrotman: lol'. |
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| 08:38.31 | MobyTurbo | spilo: /msg dpkg java, then /msg dpkg and the next ones it mentions. |
| 08:38.38 | spilo | pressing alt+1 alt+2 alt+3 |
| 08:38.48 | MobyTurbo | spilo: you'll need to control-n to the msg window then. |
| 08:38.48 | jetscreamer | puff, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:38.57 | maguswizardo | I just installed Debian, followed by a version of XFree I downloaded yesterday... but when I run /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86cfg , it tells me that it "cannot open /dev/mouse: no such file or directory"... considering that this is on a laptop (and it's built-in mouse), how would I have Debian (or X) recognise it? |
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| 08:40.10 | jeanmi_ | I wish to limit an ssh connection to rsync by setting command= in the ~.ssh/authorized_keys of the remote host. However I am not sre what to put after command= .... |
| 08:40.27 | jeanmi_ | like if I wanted to restruict for 'ls' I would just put command="/bin/ls" |
| 08:40.40 | jeanmi_ | but in the case of rsync it is quite different ... |
| 08:42.14 | puff | Speaking of ssh, anybody know if there's any sort of way to fire up my ssh client wtih some sort of periodic "ping" that happens below the visible level, to keep the firewall from timing out the connection? |
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| 08:44.07 | mass | puff: I've done it before, one second |
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| 08:44.47 | wols_ | afaik ssh should do that by default. If that firewall has a low timeout value, you could run screen on the remote server and do periodic pings or whatever |
| 08:45.23 | peterS | wols_: /etc/ssh/ssh_config has a parameter for that, I think. 'man ssh_config' |
| 08:45.40 | mkl | Hi! [woody] I've installed from CD and not selected the sis900 network module for my network card, now after installation finished modprobe sis900 fails, so how to get the module? |
| 08:45.43 | peterS | wols_: that also applies to ~/.ssh/config so you can make it host-specific if need be |
| 08:45.46 | mass | KeepAlive |
| 08:46.01 | Guerin | Currently only the trackpoint is working, either in console or in X. What's the story to enabling multiple mice on the same dev? |
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| 08:46.08 | peterS | mkl: sis900 is built into the woody bf24 kernel, so if you booted with the 'bf24' name, you should already have it |
| 08:46.14 | peterS | mkl: otherwise, run 'modconf' |
| 08:46.16 | wols_ | peterS: I always run screen in ssh sesion anyways :) |
| 08:46.26 | mass | oh wait, no |
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| 08:46.28 | wols_ | and usually irssi on screen 0, so I hardly ever time out... |
| 08:46.30 | mass | (scratches head) |
| 08:46.33 | mkl | perterS: will try that thanks |
| 08:46.38 | mass | well, I did this before on windows with putty :) |
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| 08:46.56 | peterS | wols_: kind of hard to time out when you're running a full-screen app that shows the current time in it somewhere |
| 08:47.11 | glick | scuse me im configigin a 2.6 kern for mi laptop, i have a geforce4 under graphics support should i enable VGA 16 color graphics support VESA VGA, or neither? |
| 08:47.19 | MajorPoopyPants | how do I get my firewall to stop writing its output to my screen? Install klogd? |
| 08:47.30 | Guerin | glick: why are you building a kernel? |
| 08:47.32 | peterS | glick: I'd do neither |
| 08:47.48 | MajorPoopyPants | I love building kernels so much I decided to build a 1970 mercury couger too |
| 08:47.52 | puff | wols I use screen on the remote server, yeah, but the connection locks up every time I leave it alone for more than 5-10 minutes. |
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| 08:47.56 | glick | Guerin, for faster boot time and more effiecient memory usage, im not compiling anything as a module |
| 08:48.09 | peterS | MajorPoopyPants: are you related to MrPoopyPants? |
| 08:48.11 | wols_ | puff: ServerAliveInterval |
| 08:48.15 | Guerin | glick: oh, because that'll make it heaps faster. |
| 08:48.16 | wols_ | man ssh_config |
| 08:48.21 | MajorPoopyPants | peterS we are one and the same - why? |
| 08:48.28 | peterS | no reason |
| 08:48.29 | MobyTurbo | puff: try running something like bsdgames' "rain" |
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| 08:48.33 | Guerin | glick: hint: if modules aren't loaded, they consume no ram. |
| 08:48.39 | coywolf | does byte and bite sound the same? |
| 08:48.45 | MajorPoopyPants | HOPES HE |
| 08:48.51 | peterS | Guerin: it does make a tiny bit of difference, actually. not enough to bother me, but enough to bother your typical gentoo user. |
| 08:48.52 | MajorPoopyPants | anyhow |
| 08:48.53 | glick | Guerin, i think it will since im on a laptop, my hardware will probably never change |
| 08:49.02 | wols_ | MajorPoopyPants: relax. your secret is secure with us |
| 08:49.14 | jetscreamer | if a script is marked executable, do you have to sh <script>, or can you just type the script name |
| 08:49.15 | peterS | Guerin: for one thing, module memory usage is rounded up to the next 4 kB per module |
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| 08:49.29 | Guerin | peterS: haha |
| 08:49.41 | MajorPoopyPants | what is the standard debian system logger - or the reccomended one for morons like myself? |
| 08:49.41 | Guerin | so microscopic amounts of ram, then. |
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| 08:50.10 | coywolf | help me this english problem |
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| 08:50.30 | peterS | Guerin: actually what's more significant is the page table and TLB usage. the kernel, on i586 and up, uses huge pages and consumes very few page table entries as a result. modules can't make use of this so they use normal tiny pages instead. |
| 08:50.37 | wols_ | jetscreamer: you want a #!/bin/sh or similar as the first line of the script. you can then just type the script name |
| 08:50.43 | coywolf | MajorPoopyPants, me? |
| 08:51.06 | MajorPoopyPants | what the hell klogd is already istalled - can anyone tell me how ot get my firewall to output to a logfile rather than my console screen? |
| 08:51.07 | jetscreamer | ahh i have one in there so maybe sh script is making it weird? |
| 08:51.09 | glick | what about framebuffer console support? there is no help available for the option |
| 08:51.10 | peterS | Guerin: fewer page table entries means better L2 cache usage. this could conceivably be noticeable to mere mortals, if you do enough of it |
| 08:51.24 | MajorPoopyPants | coywolf anyone - btw coyotes live in my neighboorhood and theyre cool looking |
| 08:51.32 | MajorPoopyPants | I wish I could comesticate them |
| 08:51.34 | wols_ | jetscreamer: it's not making it weird, but it's unecessary |
| 08:51.54 | twirl | anyone installed courier before? |
| 08:51.56 | glick | my cousine has a wolf for a pet |
| 08:51.59 | MajorPoopyPants | having 3 or 4 of them as your own personal pack would be pretty nice in this area |
| 08:52.06 | jetscreamer | my prompt still doesn't come back |
| 08:52.15 | MajorPoopyPants | I saw a guy in berkeley with a wolf for a pet |
| 08:52.40 | coywolf | MajorPoopyPants, what's comesticate? |
| 08:52.46 | puff | Man, that's stupid. |
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| 08:52.51 | puff | Wolves aren't pets. |
| 08:52.55 | MajorPoopyPants | coywolf typo for domesticate |
| 08:53.00 | jetscreamer | my mother had a wolf |
| 08:53.00 | rich_ | I think one wolf is enough. Even a tame one can be a real handfull |
| 08:53.03 | coywolf | MajorPoopyPants, ah |
| 08:53.14 | MajorPoopyPants | puff they dont look like pets, they look like dinosaur dogs |
| 08:53.14 | Guerin | puff: and actually, what most "wolf" owners own are actually wolf-dog hybrids |
| 08:53.15 | jetscreamer | he was very opinionated |
| 08:53.18 | glick | my cousine is a professional animal trainer |
| 08:53.24 | puff | Wolves, unlike dogs, tend to test for dominance repeatedly, frequently. |
| 08:53.24 | kenboo | how to configure pam & krb5? |
| 08:53.27 | puff | And they're a lot smarter than dogs. |
| 08:53.31 | jetscreamer | 7/8th wolf, and illegal i think |
| 08:53.32 | glick | remimber the dog Buck from the show married with children? |
| 08:53.34 | wols_ | puff: depends. I just hope he's powerful enough to end up the alphawolf, or it could get real messy... |
| 08:53.36 | MajorPoopyPants | No the guy in berkeley had a full blown wolf |
| 08:53.36 | glick | that was my cousins dog |
| 08:53.51 | rich_ | You start just playing with them, they love to play so its hard not to, and before you know it they are throwing you around like a rag doll, and Im not small |
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| 08:54.05 | puff | It's also, frankly, not fair to the animal, unless you own a lot of propertyt. |
| 08:54.07 | puff | Fuck fuck fuck. |
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| 08:54.24 | puff | "Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM : Failure ... \n DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" |
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| 08:54.44 | MobyTurbo | puff: someone a friend knows that raises wolfs says that's the main problem, if you don't end up as the dominant one they are no good from that point onwards and must be euthanized. |
| 08:54.51 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: you humiliate yourself on an hourly basis in here anyway, you'll have to come up with something better. |
| 08:55.01 | puff | Is there something special I'm supposed to do when creating the installer CD? I've never created a bootable CD before. |
| 08:55.02 | streuner_ | puff: that's what you got with sarge installer CD? |
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| 08:55.16 | jetscreamer | omfg wtf is this! i have one file in my home dir that starts with z... this isn't it, but this is what bash completion gave me: zsoelim |
| 08:55.17 | streuner_ | puff: md5sum |
| 08:55.18 | wols_ | MajorPoopyPants: you sure it doesn't put out messages in /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog ? |
| 08:55.21 | puff | streuner Yeah. |
| 08:55.21 | Guerin | the plural of wolf is wolves, people |
| 08:55.38 | jetscreamer | you mean it's not woofs? |
| 08:55.40 | streuner_ | puff: check out md5sum and compare the values |
| 08:55.42 | wols_ | Yes Mr. Teacher :) |
| 08:55.46 | MobyTurbo | Guerin: oops |
| 08:55.47 | puff | Hm, is there an md5sum utility for winxp? |
| 08:55.50 | MajorPoopyPants | wols_ its just printing it out to the console right now |
| 08:55.53 | jetscreamer | puff, yes |
| 08:55.54 | streuner_ | puff: yes |
| 08:55.54 | Yabden | md5summer |
| 08:55.59 | wols_ | puff: there are several. and there is aways cygwin |
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| 08:56.16 | Yabden | probably is a better one than md5summer out there too |
| 08:56.26 | wols_ | MajorPoopyPants: get yourself ipmasq. it prints to both (and the console) |
| 08:56.31 | puff | Ah, so md5sum should already be on the machine that has cygwin installed? |
| 08:56.34 | wols_ | I always thought it does this automagically |
| 08:56.44 | jetscreamer | puff, are you booting from the cdburner you burnt the cd on? |
| 08:56.48 | wols_ | puff: dunno which cygwin package it is, but usually yes |
| 08:56.52 | puff | No. Different machine. |
| 08:56.59 | jetscreamer | puff, try a cdr then |
| 08:57.04 | puff | wols_ what's the command line? |
| 08:57.07 | puff | jetscreamer Come again? |
| 08:57.10 | wols_ | md5sum |
| 08:57.14 | wols_ | what else should it be? |
| 08:57.20 | wols_ | it's the same utility, just a port |
| 08:57.23 | puff | wols_ Okay. |
| 08:57.25 | jetscreamer | puff, i've taken a cd i just burnt, and put it in the cdrom above it.. didn't work |
| 08:57.32 | puff | jetscreamer ah. |
| 08:57.34 | puff | Hm. |
| 08:57.36 | MajorPoopyPants | wols_ cmon man, iptables/firestarter is fine - people in here helped me out before, unfortunately IM a disabled vet and the painkillers I am on at the moment render me unable to remembert the solution |
| 08:57.42 | jetscreamer | puff, cd-r works better sometimes |
| 08:58.06 | wols_ | MajorPoopyPants: I didn't mean you should use ipmasq, just installing it, looking over it how it does it, then copy that |
| 08:58.09 | jetscreamer | puff, also sometimes not at all... swap the cd drives perhaps |
| 08:58.18 | MajorPoopyPants | Im sorry |
| 08:58.30 | wols_ | ipmasq is just a handful of scripts, so shouldn't be a big deal |
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| 08:58.54 | MajorPoopyPants | I think I pissed off a few people in here. |
| 08:59.00 | Yabden | fwbuilder is a pretty good firewall program as as well |
| 08:59.06 | MajorPoopyPants | Im really sorry for whatever I did. |
| 08:59.06 | ideafix | when is the new debian release gona come out ? |
| 08:59.19 | MajorPoopyPants | ideafix try a daily build of sarge |
| 08:59.21 | wols_ | MajorPoopyPants: have you set a few "-j LOG" iptables commands? |
| 08:59.31 | wols_ | ideafix: when its ready |
| 08:59.40 | jetscreamer | MajorPoopyPants, probably if you hang out a while (week, two) and don't act like whatever it is you did act like, ppl will forget you're really an asshole.. :) j/k |
| 08:59.49 | ideafix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:00.08 | MajorPoopyPants | wols_ I use firestarter, which is an iptables script generator - ttheres an option in the system logger that will do it I just forgot it. |
| 09:00.09 | wols_ | !topicsmite ideafix |
| 09:00.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ideafix. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:00.16 | jetscreamer | ideafix, in dec 2005, sarge will be in stable |
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| 09:00.31 | MajorPoopyPants | :(( |
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| 09:00.51 | wols_ | jetscreamer: by that time, people like ideafix will already come in again and ask "when will etch be ready?" |
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| 09:01.07 | Guerin | wols_++ |
| 09:01.15 | jetscreamer | and i'll say dec 2006, etch wil be done |
| 09:01.21 | ugly | heh man you guys broke sed!? |
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| 09:01.27 | jetscreamer | no you did |
| 09:01.28 | ugly | that's so... important |
| 09:01.29 | ugly | haha |
| 09:01.31 | jetscreamer | i saw you |
| 09:02.01 | jetscreamer | actually it's fixed already |
| 09:02.05 | jetscreamer | old topic |
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| 09:02.19 | JVaughn | that's so 4 days ago |
| 09:02.31 | jetscreamer | so is the g2.8 |
| 09:02.57 | JVaughn | bleh gnome, it's all about xfce |
| 09:03.05 | jetscreamer | sarge is more frozen atm i think |
| 09:03.16 | jetscreamer | he dropped his cigar |
| 09:03.37 | wols_ | is sarge already officially frozen? |
| 09:03.43 | ideafix | sarge is that guy from quake 3? |
| 09:03.45 | jetscreamer | not all the way |
| 09:03.47 | JVaughn | it's been for a while hasn't it |
| 09:03.49 | jetscreamer | yeah q3 |
| 09:04.04 | wols_ | ideafix: all Debian release names are Toy Story related |
| 09:04.09 | jetscreamer | but ideafix with debian sarge is toy story |
| 09:04.25 | MajorPoopyPants | ok I got it - I had to change something in /etc/init.d/klogd |
| 09:04.33 | JVaughn | potato, woody, sid, sarge.... ohhh i never noticed that before |
| 09:04.35 | ideafix | quake 3 ownes toy storyt |
| 09:04.40 | jetscreamer | !congratulate MajorPoopyPants |
| 09:04.41 | dpkg | Huzzah MajorPoopyPants, you did it! |
| 09:04.45 | MajorPoopyPants | KLOGD="" to KLOGD="-c 5" |
| 09:04.57 | jetscreamer | ~congratulate MajorPoopyPants |
| 09:04.59 | apt | ACTION congratulates MajorPoopyPants on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 09:05.02 | Yabden | i never noticed that before either |
| 09:05.05 | MajorPoopyPants | ? |
| 09:05.14 | MajorPoopyPants | a brick of poo? |
| 09:05.22 | Bugalugs | !win me |
| 09:05.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, bugalugs! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 09:05.28 | Bugalugs | cool! |
| 09:05.29 | jetscreamer | no just a brick you paid 500 bucks for |
| 09:05.36 | MajorPoopyPants | I did? when? |
| 09:05.44 | jetscreamer | yesterday, i saw you |
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| 09:05.49 | jetscreamer | film at 11 |
| 09:05.49 | MajorPoopyPants | ok.. |
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| 09:06.08 | MajorPoopyPants | I just scored a 1970 cougar with a 650 hp engine |
| 09:06.15 | zu22 | !tease MajorPoopyPants |
| 09:06.16 | MajorPoopyPants | im scared to drive it |
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| 09:06.47 | MajorPoopyPants | its got a modified 351 windsor in it. |
| 09:06.52 | jetscreamer | ~win MajorPoopyPants |
| 09:06.54 | apt | Congratulations, MajorPoopyPants! You have won the US presidency! |
| 09:07.05 | MajorPoopyPants | ~win me |
| 09:07.07 | apt | Congratulations, majorpoopypants! You have won the US presidency! |
| 09:07.07 | jetscreamer | ah 351 |
| 09:07.11 | MajorPoopyPants | WOOHOO |
| 09:07.19 | MajorPoopyPants | Its a highly modified one |
| 09:07.20 | jetscreamer | ~botabuse |
| 09:07.21 | apt | Stop tormenting me! |
| 09:07.23 | MajorPoopyPants | competition headers |
| 09:07.36 | MajorPoopyPants | nascar intake manifold |
| 09:07.42 | MajorPoopyPants | everything but a paint job. |
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| 09:08.00 | jetscreamer | i put a windsor in a truck once, glad i'll never have to again |
| 09:08.06 | jetscreamer | bye |
| 09:08.14 | MajorPoopyPants | but 650 hp is supercar territory and that frightens me, im going to go with 450 hp or so |
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| 09:08.23 | jetscreamer | wuss |
| 09:08.32 | MajorPoopyPants | yeah man thats frightening |
| 09:08.37 | MajorPoopyPants | I live in the mountains |
| 09:08.51 | MajorPoopyPants | maybe if i lived in the desert or somewhere flat but 650 is a bit much |
| 09:08.51 | jetscreamer | mountains are scary as hell fast |
| 09:09.09 | jetscreamer | i was doing 80 in the smokies, scared the shit out of me i slowed down |
| 09:09.19 | MajorPoopyPants | well I cant wait to get my cougar |
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| 09:09.27 | MajorPoopyPants | I need 800 bucks |
| 09:09.34 | MajorPoopyPants | and im giving him my old truck |
| 09:09.39 | puff | ???? |
| 09:09.40 | MajorPoopyPants | I hate that truck, sort of |
| 09:09.46 | puff | this is annoying> |
| 09:09.49 | jetscreamer | there was this chevelle ss i was trying to keep up with. man he musta been psycho |
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| 09:10.04 | MajorPoopyPants | im taking mine ot sears point and racing it |
| 09:10.15 | puff | something wrong with my keyboard i guess. |
| 09:10.18 | puff | Ah, sticky shift key. |
| 09:10.19 | MajorPoopyPants | he said ill have to work on it a lot of I do 650hp, but ot so much with 450 |
| 09:10.40 | MajorPoopyPants | puff - you gotta lay down some saran wrap before you hit the porno sites |
| 09:10.56 | puff | Nah, that interferes with the sensation. |
| 09:11.03 | MajorPoopyPants | use condoms |
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| 09:11.07 | MajorPoopyPants | safe computer sex |
| 09:11.20 | puff | I'm a bareback kinda guy. |
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| 09:11.24 | MajorPoopyPants | barehand |
| 09:11.38 | solar_ | why do I GEt E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 09:11.38 | solar_ | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 09:11.40 | MajorPoopyPants | anyhow - 650 is too much for a driveable car |
| 09:11.53 | Bugalugs | solar cant do two apt gets at once |
| 09:11.57 | Bugalugs | i tried once |
| 09:11.59 | Bugalugs | got that |
| 09:12.02 | kombi | Is there a way to control which ports named listens on? This one here listens on 20-28 blocking 25 for the MTA (strange) |
| 09:12.03 | Bugalugs | plus are you root? |
| 09:12.07 | solar_ | yes |
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| 09:12.32 | Bugalugs | doing another apt-get already? |
| 09:12.33 | solar_ | how do Istop all apt-get commands? |
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| 09:12.46 | solar_ | Bugalugs, yes :) |
| 09:12.53 | fm | solar_: lsof /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 09:12.56 | Bugalugs | just let it finish |
| 09:13.06 | fm | ah |
| 09:13.07 | solar_ | it is trying to install realplayer |
| 09:13.16 | kombi | lsof -i | grep 25 returns named.. Anyone with a good hint? |
| 09:13.19 | solar_ | I did apt-get install realplayer and it does not work |
| 09:13.20 | Bugalugs | you can run multiple at once by doing apt-get install package1 package2 package3 ... |
| 09:13.23 | Bugalugs | not sure how many |
| 09:13.28 | Bugalugs | but ive done about 5 at once |
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| 09:13.59 | Bugalugs | dan@zeus:~$ sudo apt-cache search realplayer |
| 09:13.59 | Bugalugs | Password: |
| 09:13.59 | Bugalugs | dan@zeus:~$ |
| 09:14.11 | Bugalugs | doesnt look like theres one but im on sarge |
| 09:14.14 | Bugalugs | maybe woody has it |
| 09:14.26 | MobyTurbo | Bugalugs: apt-cache search/show doesn't need to be root to work |
| 09:14.35 | Bugalugs | really? cool thanks |
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| 09:14.51 | MobyTurbo | Bugalugs: realplayer is only in an unoffical repository. |
| 09:15.02 | solar_ | hmmm |
| 09:15.09 | Bugalugs | i c |
| 09:15.11 | fm | in sid too there is no realplayer realted package |
| 09:15.13 | solar_ | how do I get codecs for mplayer to play .rm files? |
| 09:15.22 | tchino | Bugalugs: do you have the same problems with realplay? |
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| 09:15.32 | Bugalugs | nah i havnt even tried to install it |
| 09:15.36 | Bugalugs | dont want it |
| 09:15.58 | Bugalugs | i really gotat change my nick |
| 09:16.24 | Bugalugs | people call me bugalugs cos im a big lanky fuck |
| 09:16.24 | Bugalugs | i shouldnt call myself it |
| 09:16.24 | MajorPoopyPants | brb |
| 09:17.06 | solar_ | can debian use rpm packages |
| 09:17.15 | fm | yes |
| 09:17.18 | MobyTurbo | solar_: sometimes. Use alien |
| 09:17.19 | Bugalugs | maybe if you install rpm |
| 09:17.21 | fm | man alien |
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| 09:17.39 | solar_ | hmm ok |
| 09:17.58 | solar_ | I am running Agnula :) |
| 09:18.01 | solar_ | a form of debian |
| 09:18.07 | solar_ | really is bad ass |
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| 09:18.47 | fm | try ubuntu |
| 09:19.20 | Bugalugs | my course teacher told me to try ubuntu |
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| 09:19.20 | rich_ | solar_ Agnula problems are easy. First step is install debian. |
| 09:19.25 | Yabden | sounds like a better teacher than mine |
| 09:19.33 | Yabden | one of our assignments was to install gentoo |
| 09:19.39 | Bugalugs | heh |
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| 09:19.45 | fm | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.01 | solar_ | installing gentoo |
| 09:20.02 | solar_ | WOOT! |
| 09:20.10 | solar_ | I did that at the stage 1 install |
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| 09:20.14 | Yabden | yeah harsh assignment |
| 09:20.22 | solar_ | made installing angula super easy |
| 09:20.23 | solar_ | :D |
| 09:20.31 | Bugalugs | our teacher hacked us up internet access, our class isnt supposed to have it so he set us all up with a proxy on a box logged on the network as a library user |
| 09:20.36 | MobyTurbo | solar_: what is angula? |
| 09:20.38 | twirl | anyone knows a good tutorial on how to configure a mail server with multiple domains etc.. ? |
| 09:20.46 | Bugalugs | maybe one day the admins will realise at 8pm after library closing hours alot of internet is used |
| 09:20.53 | Bugalugs | but doubtfull.. not at tafe |
| 09:21.17 | solar_ | www.agnula.org |
| 09:21.45 | solar_ | it is a debian/redhat operating system with tons of GNU music applications |
| 09:21.45 | fm | seems down ATM |
| 09:22.08 | solar_ | I gave up working with windows and all the costly programs |
| 09:22.16 | solar_ | I am going to lay down some amazing tracks in linux :) |
| 09:22.40 | Guerin | gah, fucking fucked up mouseage |
| 09:22.57 | Bugalugs | solar: for free :) |
| 09:23.05 | solar_ | shhhhhh :) |
| 09:23.09 | solar_ | yes completely FREE!! |
| 09:23.20 | solar_ | at least that is what GNU license means I hope |
| 09:23.28 | Bugalugs | yep |
| 09:23.36 | solar_ | royalty free |
| 09:23.38 | solar_ | :) |
| 09:23.39 | Bugalugs | if you get famous using gnu software they dont want a cent from you |
| 09:23.42 | Bugalugs | but theyd like one :) |
| 09:23.52 | fm | free as in free speech |
| 09:23.58 | solar_ | :D |
| 09:24.01 | Guerin | twirl: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail |
| 09:24.20 | Bugalugs | is there a list of ubuntu maintainers? |
| 09:24.29 | Bugalugs | i actually think my teacher has done work for them |
| 09:24.29 | solar_ | I had to make the transistion because I am doing it in hopes of producing some amazing sounds and really breaking the idea that windows can only produce quality music |
| 09:24.31 | Guerin | fm is right, free has nothing to do with money |
| 09:24.51 | Bugalugs | guerin: but most of it is free in that sence too |
| 09:25.01 | Guerin | Bugalugs: coincidence |
| 09:25.01 | Bugalugs | so it just ends up being generalised but we do know :) |
| 09:25.04 | Guerin | !sence |
| 09:25.04 | dpkg | You mean sense. |
| 09:25.13 | Bugalugs | lol |
| 09:25.17 | Bugalugs | it has one for that |
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| 09:25.48 | rich_ | solar_ hahahahahaha Well, thats very noble, but we actually had music before windows |
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| 09:26.12 | kombi | where does query-source go in bind? (can't stop it listening everywhere but 53) |
| 09:26.13 | coywolf | where's the linux bk address? |
| 09:26.13 | solar_ | Rich_ electronic dance music!! hehe |
| 09:26.31 | solar_ | I am going to use this system to create a home studio :) |
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| 09:27.13 | solar_ | just a hope and a dream to make it big with a linux os :) |
| 09:27.20 | solar_ | I am off to eat fish sticks now |
| 09:27.54 | Bugalugs | lol |
| 09:27.58 | Bugalugs | with ketchup? |
| 09:28.01 | Bugalugs | i hope so. |
| 09:29.01 | rich_ | Thanks everyone, bbl |
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| 09:31.33 | Realist` | Hello, on my debian sarge, same was with woody before i upgraded, when i reboot, it stops at the msg rebooting the system, is this a bios thing or Linux thing ? |
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| 09:32.00 | Guerin | hrm, what does this mean, when probing or unprobing usbmouse: usb 1-1.1: control timeout on ep0out |
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| 09:32.49 | peterS | Guerin: well, ep0out would be an endpoint, which are communications channels in USBspeak. I guess it's a particularly unexpected error reported by the usb subsystem |
| 09:33.12 | Guerin | peterS: hrm, that would explain why my usb mouse has abruptly stopped working |
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| 09:33.30 | Guerin | peterS: the module does probe and unprobe, though. |
| 09:33.32 | peterS | Guerin: unless it doesn't happen to work, we generally recommend using 'hid' (kernel 2.4) or 'usbhid' (kernel 2.6) instead of 'usbmouse' |
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| 09:33.59 | peterS | Guerin: there might be a few cases where the 'usbmouse' driver works but the 'hid' driver does not - and I guess those cases are why both drivers still exist |
| 09:34.06 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, will it fuck things up to have them both |
| 09:34.07 | Guerin | ? |
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| 09:34.28 | peterS | Guerin: 'usbmouse' is a much simpler driver. it's for 'boot protocol' mode, which apparently is not nearly as flexible - that's the protocol intended for use by the BIOS |
| 09:34.48 | Guerin | ... which needs mouseage for all sorts of reasons. |
| 09:34.58 | karl | I can not find apt-proxy in sarge Can anyone tell why? |
| 09:35.00 | peterS | Guerin: likewise the 'usbkbd' driver, which *also* is not needed if you use 'hid' (hid == human interface devices, includes mice and keyboards along with joysticks etc.) |
| 09:35.10 | Guerin | yeah, I know |
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| 09:36.01 | peterS | Guerin: anyway, your error sounds more like a generic USB error, probably not related to the usbmouse driver specfically, but since you *can* swap that driver out, it's something to try |
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| 09:36.46 | glick | excuse im reading "The Debian Reference" and chapter 7 compiling a kernel the debian way i find very confusing lke that line that begins with fakeroot, etc, etc, it doesnt explain it anywhere, it just says do this |
| 09:37.02 | Guerin | glick: man fakeroot, for fuck's sake |
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| 09:37.09 | Guerin | glick: like I told you several hours ago |
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| 09:38.48 | yaiLLf8d | good evening all |
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| 09:39.29 | SquareRt | hey there... I was wondering if anyone here might have some advice on how I could set up an autobuilder (sbuild I assume) to build openafs-modules-source for the latest 2.4 and 2.6 kernels, as it appears that openafs-modules is not built for any kernels at all |
| 09:39.55 | simonrvn | SquareRt: no it isn't. you build it yourself |
| 09:39.56 | Guerin | hrm, so this usb mouse is no longer working with either usbmouse or usbhid, but the trackpoint works as long as psmouse is probed - however, an external ps/2 mouse just yields randomness and garbage |
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| 09:40.25 | SquareRt | simonrvn: indeed... and I was wondering if it is possible to configure an autobuilder on my own machine to build it for me? |
| 09:40.46 | simonrvn | make-kpkg |
| 09:40.51 | fm | karl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=pkg&data=apt-proxy&archive=no |
| 09:41.00 | Guerin | this behavior seemed the same with debian 2.6.9 kernel as with this custom one, and my previous kernel based on this .config (only a few fb modules changed) worked perfectly... |
| 09:41.05 | SquareRt | (there are other things I would like to have built, like debian packages of squid with some personal patches) |
| 09:42.15 | puff | Hm, okay... so md5sum on the downloaded file and on the CD match. |
| 09:42.24 | SquareRt | simonrvn: the only annaying thing is, that requires that I have the kernel source package unpacked and configured to match the kernel I have installed... but I'm using a stock kernel... and so the modules end up for a +10.00-Custom kernel... I've copied the config from the deb-src package for the stock kernel, but I can't seem to get the versions to be the same... |
| 09:42.32 | puff | There doesn't appear to be any sort of published md5sum for this image on debian.org |
| 09:43.11 | karl | fm: Is there a good alternative |
| 09:43.16 | Guerin | puff: they'll be in the same dir on the server |
| 09:43.31 | Guerin | puff: http://path.to/the/image/MD5SUMS |
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| 09:43.53 | Guerin | karl: apt-cacher, apt-got, squid. |
| 09:44.11 | SquareRt | simonrvn: is it possible to set up a tree that would (with kernel-package) build the exact same kernel as the stock kernel? |
| 09:44.15 | fm | karl: nothing am aware of, btw its available in sid |
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| 09:44.39 | Guerin | SquareRt: if you just build the plain debian kernel source, it'll make a debian kernel |
| 09:44.52 | SquareRt | guerin: you a dvorak user, or did you mean to say apt-got? I know mixing up o and e is easy on my dvorak :D lol |
| 09:44.52 | Guerin | SquareRt: bizarre as that may seem |
| 09:45.05 | MM | I don't get this: I have set up logcheck ignores in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d but logcheck ignores my ignores. But after reboot logcheck sees them... Do I really have to reboot?! |
| 09:45.08 | simonrvn | SquareRt: oh no, so annoying. |
| 09:45.09 | Guerin | SquareRt: nope, I meant apt-got. Think about it :) |
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| 09:46.02 | simonrvn | if so you're shy about building the openafs module source, why are you bothering then? |
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| 09:46.13 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:46.17 | Guerin | well, fuck, I'll try another kernel |
| 09:46.20 | Guerin | grrr |
| 09:46.22 | fjolle | Hi |
| 09:46.30 | SquareRt | guerin: as in the package kernel-source-2.4.27? I'm sure last time I build it I ended up with a version like 2.4.27+10.00-Custom |
| 09:46.37 | fjolle | Is it here i can get a bit help with my debian installing? |
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| 09:46.59 | SquareRt | (I know the kernel is the same... but unfortunately, all the packages are expecting 2.4.27-1-k7-smp) |
| 09:47.47 | kombi | what do you guys use as popper? |
| 09:47.49 | simonrvn | so build that then. man make-kpkg, and stop whining |
| 09:47.49 | fm | karl: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=267880 <-- provides some solutions |
| 09:48.02 | dondelelcaro | SquareRt: no package should be Depends: 2.4.27-1-k7-smp |
| 09:48.08 | fm | karl: read last 3 posts |
| 09:48.16 | dondelelcaro | unless someone has totally screwed things up |
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| 09:48.40 | simonrvn | nah, just PEBKAC i think |
| 09:48.46 | SquareRt | dondelelcaro: but doesn't it install modules in /lib/2.4.27-1-k7-smp ? |
| 09:48.48 | puff | Looks like the md5sum on the server matches. |
| 09:48.59 | puff | So it's probably something with my bios. Hm. |
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| 09:49.05 | dondelelcaro | SquareRt: sure, but again, no package should care about that either. |
| 09:49.26 | dondelelcaro | SquareRt: things like uname -r exist for a reason. |
| 09:49.44 | simonrvn | SquareRt: stop assuming things, and learn a bit before you start to assume. then you won't look so goofy |
| 09:50.04 | dondelelcaro | actually, I'm not sure if it installs in /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-k7-smp, since I've never bothered to find out. |
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| 09:50.22 | dondelelcaro | !find modules/2.4.27-1-k7-smp |
| 09:50.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'modules/2.4.27-1-k7-smp' (3 shown; 4 total): (/lib/modules/2.4.27-1-k7-smp/build) in devel/kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-k7-smp ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-1-k7-smp/i2c/{i2c-algo-bit.o|i2c-algo-pcf.o|i2c-core.o|...}) in misc/i2c-2.4.27-1-k7-smp ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-1-k7-smp/kernel/drivers/bluetooth/{bluecard_cs.o|bt3c_cs.o|btuart_cs.o|...}) in base/kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-1-k7-smp. |
| 09:50.35 | dondelelcaro | well, I guess it does. |
| 09:50.42 | fjolle | k ill try anyway :P i have downloaded a netinstall, bf2.4-3.0.23-netinst.iso. I couldnt find my network card in the "driver setup?" . I just got a small machine and i decided to put a debian on it. I bought a new network card, and using knoppix it finds it without any problems. My network card is an "ALLNET fast ethernet pci adapter"(whole new card) |
| 09:50.47 | fjolle | any idea what to do? |
| 09:51.05 | dondelelcaro | fjolle: you'll probably have better luck using the sarge d-i netinst images. |
| 09:51.26 | fjolle | Sarge d? |
| 09:51.27 | SquareRt | dondelelcaro: unless you're on sun4m... in which case your console will disappear :D |
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| 09:51.35 | Dade` | hi |
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| 09:51.46 | puff | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sid_d-i/i386/pre-rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:51.48 | SquareRt | unless you go back to an older version that pre-rc1 |
| 09:51.48 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite fjolle |
| 09:51.49 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon fjolle. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:51.55 | puff | By strange coincidence, I happen to have that URL handy. |
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| 09:52.05 | fjolle | kk |
| 09:52.07 | fjolle | Thanks a lot :D |
| 09:52.12 | fjolle | ill try that |
| 09:52.26 | puff | Know anything about Argon MBA/PXE? |
| 09:52.28 | karl | fm:Thanks Saved me some time |
| 09:54.17 | fm | karl: welcome |
| 09:54.18 | jetscreamer | what is ./ and i don't mean /. |
| 09:54.44 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: current directory, which is not neccesarily in your path. |
| 09:55.23 | jetscreamer | does that mean the path does not include the current dir? (like that other os) |
| 09:55.34 | SquareRt | simonrvn: I just realized... 2.6 isn't supported on AFS except in the CVS snapshots... unless you mess with Linus' decision not to export symbol tables and you re-export them... so I won't need to try make-kpkg until a new 2.4 kernel is out that I'm ready to install or 2.6 support becomes mainstream for openafs... I already have a working package (given a few 'mv's or 'ln's in the /lib/modules directory) for openafs on kernel 2.4.27 |
| 09:56.00 | simonrvn | ok |
| 09:56.08 | jetscreamer | rather, the current dir isn't looked at unless it's in the path |
| 09:56.10 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: it does if it's specified. Often root won't include it for security purposes. (Imagine if someone put a trojan labeled "ls" in a directory) |
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| 09:56.36 | SquareRt | I'm going to go read the openafs cvs makefiles now and see if I can remember how you get it to build just libafs modules (for 2.6, no less) |
| 09:56.39 | MobyTurbo | jetscreamer: right |
| 09:56.44 | mono | can anyone recommand a solid VPS? |
| 09:57.16 | Guerin | !mhallsmite acpi |
| 09:57.17 | dpkg | Fuck acpi. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 09:57.17 | mono | hopefully one that offers lots of diskspace for a resonable price |
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| 09:57.37 | jetscreamer | i wasn't root, but thanks, that clarifies things in general, i did not know that |
| 09:57.47 | jetscreamer | i thought it was like "that other os" |
| 09:57.47 | Guerin | mono: 4G/$20 enough? |
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| 09:57.51 | simonrvn | SquareRt: with a bit of hackery, it's possible. i had to patch mine manually to build on ppc 2.6 |
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| 09:58.10 | simonrvn | anyway, /me zzzz |
| 09:58.10 | mono | Guerin, need at least 10G/$25?:) |
| 09:58.23 | SquareRt | simonrvn: if I install kernel-source-2.6.8.1 (or whatever it's called) and unpack the .tar.bz2, will the resulting kernel source be of the stock config? |
| 09:59.01 | SquareRt | oh, okay... sleep well simonrvn ... lest you hear more of my drivel over IRC if you don't sleep well :D |
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| 09:59.03 | Guerin | mono: rimuhosting.com is who I use; they're damn good, damn fast service, and leave you pretty much alone. i think you're asking a bit much for the price, but they'll probably do you a custom deal |
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| 09:59.06 | jetscreamer | SquareRt, there is no .config in the source, but when you make menuconfig, your current running kernel's settings will be pulled in |
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| 09:59.18 | wols_ | SquareRt: copy config-2.6.8.* from /boot to .config in the source directory, and it will be |
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| 09:59.26 | Guerin | mono: the guy who runs it is awesome |
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| 09:59.40 | Guerin | (and no, I don't work for them or know him personally :) |
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| 10:00.00 | SquareRt | wols_: will it matter that the `uname -r` version of the source will be different to that of the binary package installed? |
| 10:00.13 | jetscreamer | you don't have to cp it though, even though it works, debian sets it up to where it's automatic |
| 10:00.24 | wols_ | sushi: since debian doesn't change kernels unless you explicitly install one, no |
| 10:00.25 | SquareRt | (that is 2.6.8.1-custom as opposed to 2.6.8.1-whatever-debian-puts-here) |
| 10:00.29 | Guerin | anyway, my usb mouse issues were caused by not booting with acpi=off |
| 10:00.49 | Guerin | even though this is a toshiba laptop, it doen't play nice at all with acpi |
| 10:01.05 | SquareRt | wols_: was that for me? |
| 10:01.13 | wols_ | yes |
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| 10:01.35 | SquareRt | wols_: so the built modules won't care about version so long as the symbol versions are the same? |
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| 10:02.47 | mono | Guerin, cool. thx |
| 10:02.52 | wols_ | modules only care about kernel versions, not "debian" names |
| 10:03.21 | Guerin | except bear in mind that debian didn't release a 2.6.8.1 kernel |
| 10:03.38 | SquareRt | guerin: I was just guessing on a recent version ... sorry :) lol |
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| 10:03.58 | SquareRt | wols_: so the +10.00-Custom stuff won't affect where it installs to or what the output of uname -r is then? |
| 10:04.14 | Guerin | hrm, is there a better image-capable console web browser than links2? |
| 10:04.22 | adler | hi |
| 10:04.45 | helix | Guerin: w3m-img or so? |
| 10:04.50 | wols_ | SquareRt: it will affect your /lib/modules directory |
| 10:04.50 | helix | dunno if it's better |
| 10:04.56 | helix | but it displays images |
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| 10:04.59 | wols_ | but not the ability to load a module with insmod |
| 10:05.01 | adler | I installed the new version of Firefox and it can no longer view pages containing Flash :( It closes itself :( I've done dpkg-reconfigure and all, but still no relief :( Any hints? |
| 10:05.08 | tct_linux | I am looking for a way to test my network connection max speed, someone tole me I could send data to /dev/null on the reciving computer, how would I do this? |
| 10:05.26 | wols_ | adler: check your flash plugin(s), not ffox |
| 10:05.27 | SquareRt | wols_: ah... so I can just install packages or whatever then rename the files? |
| 10:05.29 | Guerin | helix: ah, cool, let's see. |
| 10:05.45 | helix | jetscreamer attacked us with funny faces |
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| 10:05.55 | SquareRt | wols_: I was just hoping not to have to move files installed by a .deb package... etiquette and all that... lol |
| 10:05.56 | wols_ | SquareRt: there aren't many things which you need besides 2.6 sources, no? |
| 10:05.58 | atone | helloyo, does someone suggest me any tool that can convert a `ls --color` colored result to a color picture? |
| 10:06.06 | helix | dondelelcaro: PAYBACK |
| 10:06.10 | helix | ha ha haaaaaa |
| 10:06.11 | SquareRt | dondelelcaro: it was snowing here a couple days ago |
| 10:06.13 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: ask axl rose |
| 10:06.16 | helix | that's what you get for being my rain man! |
| 10:06.24 | adler | wols_, yeah, I updated that too. it says it's on its newer version. I installed this package:flashplayer-mozilla |
| 10:06.29 | SquareRt | dondelelcaro: "sunshine britain" :D |
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| 10:06.32 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. it rained in october too, which is really wierd. We usually have huge fires then... |
| 10:06.34 | peterS | atone: http://p12n.org/hacks/#screendump |
| 10:06.49 | peterS | atone: needs to run as root and your app be running on a linux console, so kind of limited |
| 10:06.54 | atone | peterS, thank you, I go try |
| 10:06.55 | helix | dondelelcaro: it was probably hurricane ivan still making rounds |
| 10:06.57 | Arelius | I have a USB Wacom Graphire 3, and I seem to have my XF86Config setup, however I get no mouse response in normal X, nor in gimp as an extended device |
| 10:07.00 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh |
| 10:07.01 | SquareRt | atone: use an fb console then use an fb grabber? |
| 10:07.13 | SquareRt | atone: I cba to apt-cache one |
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| 10:07.17 | Arelius | Could anyone help me out wait said problem? |
| 10:07.32 | alexissoft | hi |
| 10:08.15 | peterS | SquareRt: that's an idea. the url I pointed him to is my own frame grabber thing for a non-fb console. it converts bold/color attributes to ansi escapes |
| 10:08.22 | atone | SquareRt, but my `ls --color` result more than one page result, so it works to capture a long result? |
| 10:09.09 | SquareRt | peters: I just thought it was the lazy option... couldn't he just pipe it to cat > file or somesuch? |
| 10:09.22 | SquareRt | (so it thinks it's on terminal) |
| 10:09.23 | peterS | SquareRt: yeah... |
| 10:09.32 | peterS | atone: well, another thing to do is 'TERM=linux ls -C --color > /tmp/file.txt' |
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| 10:09.56 | peterS | atone: it might or might not cooperate - you might need --color=force or something |
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| 10:10.22 | SquareRt | atone: you might consider being more descriptive about your choice of filename that file.txt if you intend to keep it :D |
| 10:10.46 | SquareRt | I have 20G of crap in /home that just got randomly dumped there |
| 10:10.48 | SquareRt | I can't find a thing... |
| 10:10.53 | SquareRt | lol |
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| 10:11.18 | SquareRt | (by randomly, I mean when I've saved stuff and let it get in a mess... not someone playing with wget or the tape archiver lol) |
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| 10:11.32 | rython | hi |
| 10:11.40 | glick | how can i tell if im using initrd? |
| 10:11.56 | Guerin | glick: look at your kernel boot line |
| 10:12.10 | atone | peterS, I am using gnome-terminal not in virtual console, so I pipe it to a .txt file and then? |
| 10:12.12 | glick | Guerin, whats my kernel boot line |
| 10:12.38 | peterS | atone: what do you need this output for? |
| 10:12.54 | Guerin | glick: there's a line in your bootloader by which you pass kernel parameters. Below it should be an initrd= stanza |
| 10:13.07 | atone | peterS, I want to make web page and want show the color ls result for people |
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| 10:13.17 | glick | Guerin, i just installed testing |
| 10:13.23 | glick | does testing use it by default? |
| 10:13.27 | SquareRt | guerin: or an initrd initrd-2.something.something.gz line if grub :D |
| 10:13.29 | peterS | atone: oh, in that case what you want is a screen capture utility |
| 10:13.34 | Guerin | glick: all debian kernels use it by default |
| 10:13.57 | peterS | atone: install the package 'imagemagick' and use 'import filename.png' from another terminal. then click on the window you want to capture |
| 10:14.00 | atone | peterS, actually I want to do is `pstree` or `tree somedir` result |
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| 10:14.31 | peterS | atone: if you need to edit the png file, like to paste two of them together for longer output, or clip out window borders, you can use any image editing tool - most of us here use gimp for this |
| 10:14.38 | glick | 2.4 kernels where easy to compile for m e but these 2.6 kernel just have too many damn options |
| 10:14.52 | peterS | glick: 2.4 kernels have a lot of options too. maybe you're just more used to them |
| 10:15.07 | glick | maybe |
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| 10:15.46 | glick | most things i compiled into the kernel instead of modules |
| 10:16.01 | tct_linux | whats a good vnc server for debian? |
| 10:16.13 | Yabden | tightvnc/realvnc |
| 10:16.20 | tct_linux | as in fast and easy to setup :) |
| 10:16.21 | glick | is there anyway to see how big my kernel will be when it is running/ |
| 10:16.30 | Guerin | glick: build it and see |
| 10:16.31 | Guerin | e |
| 10:16.38 | Yabden | they are all easy to set up really |
| 10:16.48 | Yabden | just vncserver -whateveroptions |
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| 10:17.03 | Guerin | but the debian process makes building kernels so trivial... |
| 10:17.22 | Arelius | Guerin, which debian process? |
| 10:17.39 | Yabden | http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/VNC/vnc-over-ssh.html |
| 10:17.42 | Yabden | pretty good vnc site |
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| 10:17.49 | Guerin | !tell Arelius about kp |
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| 10:18.29 | atone | peterS, but if I want get the long colored result like `tree -A -C somedir`, do you have other idea but not screenshot? |
| 10:18.54 | Guerin | atone: what's wrong with screenshots? |
| 10:18.57 | peterS | atone: use a tall terminal window. if it's not enough, take multiple screenshots and paste them together with something like the gimp |
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| 10:19.03 | glick | apt-cache search pcmcia-cs only shows them for the 2.4 kernel does 2.6 have this software built in? |
| 10:19.12 | Guerin | glick: yes |
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| 10:19.40 | atone | peterS, you mean copy several png to merge long one? |
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| 10:19.46 | peterS | atone: basically. |
| 10:19.59 | ANDYSHEN | ok |
| 10:19.59 | Guerin | hrm, why does links2 -g not work in screen? |
| 10:20.01 | ANDYSHEN | i have a question |
| 10:20.06 | ANDYSHEN | i am trying to install debian |
| 10:20.09 | ANDYSHEN | netinstall |
| 10:20.11 | peterS | Guerin: because screen is independent of your display device |
| 10:20.12 | Guerin | !tell ANDYSHEN about enter |
| 10:20.13 | ANDYSHEN | but i get this emssage |
| 10:20.30 | peterS | Guerin: so it doesn't set $DISPLAY, and it doesn't indicate to the app that it is in a frame buffer, things like that |
| 10:20.38 | puff | Sigh. |
| 10:20.40 | Guerin | peterS: right, that makes sense. is there any way I can tell links2 to use the fb device? |
| 10:20.47 | peterS | Guerin: not from inside screen, I suspect |
| 10:20.52 | puff | Okay, so I've even gone to the point of trying to use a set of install floppies. |
| 10:20.54 | puff | SAme error. |
| 10:20.58 | glick | the kernel .deb file is 2.8 megs large |
| 10:21.03 | glick | is that huge for a kernel? |
| 10:21.05 | puff | Something weird is going on, maybe I fucked up the BIOS somehow. |
| 10:21.07 | peterS | Guerin: but I don't know links2, maybe there's a way to tell it explicitly where to find the fb |
| 10:21.07 | ANDYSHEN | !! Detect and mount CD-ROM, Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted. This probably means that the CD-ROM was not in the drive. If so you can insert it and try again. What should I do? |
| 10:21.28 | Guerin | glick: no, 2.8MB is a TINY kernel image deb. Debian's are ~15MB |
| 10:21.52 | glick | hmm i must be missing some important shit then |
| 10:21.59 | Guerin | glick: does it boot? |
| 10:22.02 | ANDYSHEN | is there any way to solve it? |
| 10:22.09 | Guerin | ANDYSHEN: #debian-boot |
| 10:22.20 | puff | Hm... Toshiba CD-ROM XM-6402B. |
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| 10:22.38 | JVaughn | guerin - i don't think the *image* is 15mb.. as in /boot/vmlinuz but the source is |
| 10:22.48 | JVaughn | my image is like 2.2Mb |
| 10:23.05 | peterS | JVaughn: the kernel image package includes a whole set of modules, though. it might add up to 15 MB all told |
| 10:23.15 | JVaughn | oh true, including modules |
| 10:23.18 | glick | Guerin, havent given it the smoke test yet |
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| 10:23.38 | JVaughn | but technically the image isn't? :)) |
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| 10:24.13 | glick | heh Guerin it didnt even install |
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| 10:24.25 | glick | Failed to create initrd image |
| 10:24.32 | glick | error processing |
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| 10:25.38 | Guerin | JVaughn: the image .deb is 15MB - that's what he said was 2.8MB. |
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| 10:26.07 | JVaughn | yah, ignore me.. i smoke crack.. |
| 10:26.17 | mOeBiUs | hi!, i have a problem with 2.6.9 kernel, I recompiled it but now it crashes after the "checking hlt function OK!" |
| 10:26.22 | Guerin | glick: if you built an entirely monolithic kernel, you don't need an initrd. |
| 10:26.45 | glick | Guerin, there are a few modules |
| 10:26.49 | glick | very few thouth |
| 10:26.52 | glick | though |
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| 10:27.02 | Guerin | glick: your root filesystem or drive interface? |
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| 10:27.40 | glick | my bootable drive is hda1 |
| 10:27.47 | glick | thats where i keep /boot |
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| 10:28.17 | Guerin | glick: just answer the gdmf question |
| 10:28.34 | Junkie | Greetings. I'm having some problems installing from a CD. I've redownloaded and reburned multiple times, but i keep getting corrupt packages on install. Any ideas? |
| 10:28.44 | glick | Guerin, i guess i dont understand your question |
| 10:29.09 | Guerin | Junkie: check the md5 of the cd image against the MD5SUMS file in the same dir on the debian mirror where the image was |
| 10:29.17 | Junkie | verified |
| 10:29.28 | Junkie | all 4 times |
| 10:29.31 | Guerin | glick: did you build your root filesystem or root drive interface as modules? |
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| 10:29.38 | Guerin | Junkie: ask #debian-boot, then |
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| 10:29.43 | Junkie | okay thanks |
| 10:29.43 | glick | Guerin, no i did not |
| 10:29.51 | Guerin | glick: then you don't need an initrd |
| 10:30.03 | glick | ok, thanks |
| 10:30.13 | Guerin | glick: oh, unless your root drive is a lvm, or an nfs share, or something |
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| 10:30.45 | glick | Guerin, no, nothing that exotic |
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| 10:32.39 | findme | do the linux wireless pci cards support hardware encryption ? WEP ? |
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| 10:33.41 | Yabden | the prism and aironet ones do |
| 10:33.43 | Yabden | probably others |
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| 10:34.35 | joeofso | I'm having trouble with gdm/gnome(?) I generated locales. Tried to login using those locaes with gdm. Now I get Language nl_NL.UTF8@euro doesn't exist using system. |
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| 10:34.36 | findme | Yabden, aha, I am planning to get a MA 311 Netgear, I think that is a prism based card. |
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| 10:35.13 | peterS | joeofso: nl_NL.UTF8@euro sounds suspicious. the @euro would seem to be redundant |
| 10:35.25 | Yabden | prism cards are by far one of the best supported wireless chipsets |
| 10:35.33 | Yabden | have i should say |
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| 10:36.30 | findme | Yabden, are the newer linksys cards based on prism, there are so many versions of them. |
| 10:36.37 | Yabden | i have no clue |
| 10:36.59 | findme | Yabden, thanks |
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| 10:38.15 | netbrain | is there anyway to set a maximum download speed of a debian server? |
| 10:38.38 | joeofso | peterS: nl_NL.ISO-8859-15 doesn't work either, same error message with gdm. |
| 10:38.41 | glick | netbrain, yup |
| 10:38.50 | glick | its all server dependant though |
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| 10:39.04 | netbrain | glick what do you mean? |
| 10:39.05 | joeofso | peterS: s/system/system default |
| 10:39.09 | krusaf | hello |
| 10:39.11 | peterS | joeofso: hmmm then |
| 10:39.29 | glick | netbrain, what server are you using |
| 10:39.36 | joeofso | peterS: bts? |
| 10:39.43 | netbrain | all i want is my debian server maximum allowed download speed from the internet gateway to be 512kbit/s |
| 10:39.45 | krusaf | what the command to change the keymap please (i'm noob) |
| 10:39.50 | peterS | joeofso: you can always check |
| 10:39.57 | netbrain | so that my pc can have its own 512kbit |
| 10:40.04 | peterS | joeofso: you are not, I hope, using the 'localpurge' or 'apt-localepurge' packages? |
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| 10:40.10 | netbrain | glick: debian |
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| 10:40.15 | peterS | ummm, localepurge not localpurge |
| 10:40.15 | glick | netbrain, what are you serving |
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| 10:40.33 | ANDYSHEN | does anyone know how to upgrade from kde 3.2 to 3.3 on debian? |
| 10:40.37 | netbrain | glick: dhcp/apache/mysql/file-server that sorta stuff |
| 10:40.41 | wols_ | netbrain: get wondershaper and read its docs |
| 10:40.47 | wols_ | easiest way to achieve your goal |
| 10:40.53 | netbrain | wondershaper? |
| 10:40.55 | netbrain | ok |
| 10:41.02 | Guerin | ANDYSHEN: no, nobody knows. |
| 10:41.06 | glick | netbrain, then those are config options that are set in the config files of those servers |
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| 10:41.11 | Guerin | ANDYSHEN: it's one of the great mysteries of the universe. |
| 10:41.18 | wols_ | if you want the long version and more flexibility, you have to read www.lartc.org |
| 10:41.23 | maguswizardo | How would I configure my mouse? XFree complains that "/dev/mouse does not exist", and crashes. xf86config told me that it /was/ configuring my mouse, but it apparently didn't. |
| 10:41.41 | Guerin | maguswizardo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:41.48 | netbrain | glick: ok let me rephrase then.. how can i set the macimum download speed of the program lftp? |
| 10:42.09 | joeofso | peterS: never heard of those. Oh, checked bts, didn't found anything simmiliar. What do you suggest me to do? |
| 10:42.09 | Guerin | netbrain: does lftp have a throttling mechanism? |
| 10:42.29 | wols_ | netbrain: lftp has options you can with the command "set" inside of it. man lftp |
| 10:42.31 | glick | netbrain, i dont know off the top of my head but if you read the lftp config file, whereever that is, im sure its well documented |
| 10:43.01 | krusaf | what the command to change the keymap please (i'm noob) |
| 10:43.26 | maestro[] | krusaf: In X11 or on the console? |
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| 10:43.31 | maguswizardo | Guerin: apparently, "xserver-xfree86 is not installed". Should I try just xfree86, without the xserver- ? |
| 10:43.31 | krusaf | the both |
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| 10:44.03 | krusaf | the both maestro[] |
| 10:44.19 | maestro[] | krusaf: install-keymap and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:44.25 | MobyTurbo | maguswizardo: how did you install xfree? you should have apt-getted x-window-system-core at least. |
| 10:44.36 | krusaf | maestro[]: thankx |
| 10:44.44 | maestro[] | krusaf: And loadkeys on the console to change it temporarely |
| 10:44.52 | maestro[] | krusaf: np |
| 10:44.58 | joeofso | peterS: it's so weird, i exported another LANG on the tty console, now I get like debconf dutch explanations but the answer options are still english(yes and no). Odd, heh? |
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| 10:45.07 | krusaf | okay i'm trying :) |
| 10:45.13 | peterS | joeofso: that is a bit odd. not sure if it's on purpose or not |
| 10:45.20 | Kasreyn | is there some way you can control the mousepointer with the keyboard in X? |
| 10:45.45 | maestro[] | Kasreyn: Shift-NumLock |
| 10:45.51 | maguswizardo | MobyTurbo: I downloaded the binaries, by doing a Google. I'll try it with apt-get though... should it be on the install CD? |
| 10:46.12 | Guerin | maguswizardo: yes. |
| 10:46.21 | Guerin | maguswizardo: why did you download binaries? |
| 10:46.32 | joeofso | peterS: hmm ran apt-localpurge, going to restart x. |
| 10:46.37 | Kasreyn | maestro[]: that is not working |
| 10:46.46 | maguswizardo | Guerin: Because I didn't have any idea what distro would end up working. |
| 10:46.47 | glick | here goes nothing! |
| 10:46.55 | glick | wish me luck! |
| 10:46.57 | Guerin | maguswizardo: ...? |
| 10:47.35 | wols_ | Guerin: it's the windows approach: install stuff as many times as it takes to get it to "work" |
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| 10:47.46 | maguswizardo | Guerin: Long story.It also doesn't help that I'm relatively new to Linux... |
| 10:48.07 | Guerin | maguswizardo: the best thing you can do is stick to one distro until you find your feet. |
| 10:48.17 | Guerin | maguswizardo: they all work; some just work better than others. |
| 10:48.23 | maestro[] | Kasreyn: "It's not working" is no usable description of what happened |
| 10:48.38 | maguswizardo | Guerin: I had numerous of them not install... |
| 10:48.39 | Kasreyn | it just beeped |
| 10:48.49 | MobyTurbo | maguswizardo: with Debian you should almost always install things with apt-get. |
| 10:48.56 | Kasreyn | and isn't it supposed to be CTRL+SHIFT+NUMLOCK? |
| 10:49.12 | MobyTurbo | maguswizardo: even with other distros you should use their native binary installers and/or fetchers. |
| 10:49.15 | Kasreyn | ahh |
| 10:49.20 | Kasreyn | i got it working maestro[] ! |
| 10:49.25 | Kasreyn | excellent |
| 10:49.29 | maestro[] | Kasreyn: Ok... |
| 10:49.36 | netbrain | thanks guys..for helping.. |
| 10:49.37 | Kasreyn | hehe great |
| 10:49.38 | netbrain | it worked.. |
| 10:49.49 | maestro[] | Kasreyn: It's normal that it beeps... it is supposed to |
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| 10:51.13 | Guerin | well they're all rpms, right, is what I thought... |
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| 10:51.25 | Kasreyn | laziness has won again. i did not have it in me to configure X for mouse and to connect the mouse |
| 10:51.40 | Ossar | How do I change from us keyboard setting to swedish? |
| 10:51.47 | Guerin | Kasreyn: if you can bear using fake mouse, then mo' power to you |
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| 10:52.14 | maestro[] | Kasreyn: Hm ok... but the Support on the NumPad is some sort of... restricted... try to scroll :) |
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| 10:52.42 | maestro[] | Ossar: On the console or in X11? |
| 10:53.01 | Ossar | x11 |
| 10:53.14 | maestro[] | Ossar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:53.47 | Ossar | maestro[]: Tried it, not working. Maybe wrong input values. |
| 10:54.23 | grint | 2 Ossar : add to XF86Config-4 to keyboard section: Option XkbOptions "grp:caps_toggle" - changes with caps |
| 10:54.25 | maestro[] | Ossar: did it change /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? If not, reat the header of that file |
| 10:55.51 | Ossar | maestro[]: Ok, I dont understand that, sorry |
| 10:56.17 | maestro[] | Ossar: Did you edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 by hand? |
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| 10:56.43 | maestro[] | grint: Hm, are you shure that's right? I'm using that option for switching to the cyrillic map with my russian keyboard... |
| 10:56.48 | maestro[] | s/shure/sure/; |
| 10:56.49 | Ossar | maestro[]: Yes, tried that too. Still I may have the wrong values |
| 10:56.58 | glick | well, it booted alright, but somethings were immediatly wrong, for one thing my pcmcia card wasnt detected, and pcmcia hot plugging wasnt working |
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| 10:57.25 | maestro[] | Ossar: The problem is that if you change the file by hand, changes you made with dpkg-reconfigure are not written to the file anymore |
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| 10:57.56 | Ossar | maestro[]: Ok, so how do I change it back and what is the right values to enter |
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| 10:58.25 | grint | 2 maestro[] : i think it must work, but he must edit XkbLayout to(like us,swedish), i use it to chnge from us to ru |
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| 10:58.47 | maestro[] | grint: Oh, you have a russian keyboard? |
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| 10:58.58 | Ossar | grint: How? |
| 10:59.09 | grint | 2 maestro[] : yes |
| 10:59.24 | katabroc | when I use apt-get install where it saves what was downloaded? |
| 10:59.57 | maestro[] | grint: The problem is that the russian keyboard has a normal us layout. and then, you can switch to the cyrillic letters with ctrl-shift or whatever... but AFAIK, Swedish keyboards do not have any us layout, but only the sewedish |
| 11:00.02 | maestro[] | Ossar: Is that right? |
| 11:00.48 | Ossar | maestro[]: Yes, It has a different key mapping, with some extra letters only existing in the swedish language |
| 11:01.05 | katabroc | when I use apt-get install where it saves what was downloaded? |
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| 11:01.22 | maestro[] | katabroc: /var/cache/apt/ |
| 11:01.25 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/nor-kb.jpg < norwegian keyboard |
| 11:01.26 | Ossar | maestro[]: It has the same number of keys, just a different mapping to some of them |
| 11:01.26 | W00d5t0ck | Hi |
| 11:01.32 | katabroc | maestro[], thank you |
| 11:01.40 | grint | 2 maestro[] : i think it multilanguage tool, not specifc for russian keyboard |
| 11:01.46 | Zero_Dogg | How can I check what the max burning speed of my cd-burner is? |
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| 11:02.10 | sussudio | Zero_Dogg: look on it? |
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| 11:02.44 | W00d5t0ck | I just downloaded a program, which doesn't include the sources, and want to create a .deb archive from it. |
| 11:02.52 | W00d5t0ck | is there a documentation of this somewhere? |
| 11:03.01 | maguswizardo | Ok, apt-get is telling me "Package x-window-system-core is not available, but is reffered to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source. E: Package x-window-system-core has no installation candidate" |
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| 11:03.12 | maestro[] | Ossar: The point that we don't know how a swedish keyboard looks like. A German keyboard for example has a layout which differs to the us layout. But a Russian one has an us layout plus, on the same keys, a second russian layout. And you can switch between the layouts with a shortcut |
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| 11:03.24 | Zero_Dogg | sussudio: lol, nope :P Doesn't say, laptop |
| 11:03.44 | Ossar | maestro[]: Let me find a picture. w8 |
| 11:03.56 | W00d5t0ck | maguswizardo: try x-window-system instead |
| 11:03.58 | cob_ | What is the location of the directory of C header ? |
| 11:04.24 | W00d5t0ck | cob_: maybe you're looking fot /usr/include? |
| 11:04.30 | maestro[] | cob_: /usr/include for userspace programs |
| 11:04.34 | grint | 2 Ossar : try use google |
| 11:04.38 | sussudio | Zero_Dogg: look in the freaking dmesg then |
| 11:04.38 | cob_ | hmm |
| 11:04.57 | cob_ | it was a kernel taken with apt tool :) |
| 11:05.01 | Ossar | grint: maestro[]: http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/swedish.html |
| 11:05.05 | cob_ | i may try it :) |
| 11:05.11 | cob_ | ty W00d5t0ck maestro[] |
| 11:05.17 | Provito | Zero_Dogg: try doing a cdrecord --scanbus |
| 11:05.19 | maguswizardo | W00d5tock: Same error. |
| 11:05.23 | Provito | Zero_Dogg: then look up the model number |
| 11:05.29 | Zero_Dogg | Provito: thanks |
| 11:05.36 | green-earz | maguswizardo: dose apt-get update run ok ? |
| 11:05.37 | W00d5t0ck | maguswizardo: weird, what sources do you use? |
| 11:06.05 | Ossar | maestro[]: The shift, alt gr keys arent crrect but all letters and characters are |
| 11:06.27 | maestro[] | Ossar: Ok, open the XF86Config-4 file and look for the XkbLayout Option |
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| 11:08.01 | Ossar | maestro[]: Option"XkbLayout""se" |
| 11:08.35 | Ossar | maestro[]: Option"XkbVariant""se_SE" |
| 11:08.36 | maguswizardo | green-earz: It seems to. Atleast, it doesn't give any errors, but it doesn't seem to do much. Only "Reading Package Lists... Done", and exits. |
| 11:08.36 | maguswizardo | W00d5t0ck: I'm installing from a new[ish] sarge ISO (downloaded it 2 days ago).. and before you ask, that system isn't online (yet) |
| 11:09.11 | maestro[] | Ossar: Hum, and that doesen't work? |
| 11:09.23 | W00d5t0ck | maguswizardo: cd or dvd iso |
| 11:09.25 | W00d5t0ck | ? |
| 11:09.33 | maestro[] | Ossar: Did you restart X11? |
| 11:09.38 | maguswizardo | W00d5t0ck: CD |
| 11:09.46 | Guerin | maestro[]: have you used apt-cd to add your cd as an apt source? |
| 11:09.53 | W00d5t0ck | as i remember, it is on the second cd |
| 11:09.55 | maestro[] | Guerin: Huh? |
| 11:09.58 | Ossar | maestro[]: No, strange. My setting is a normal us-setting. Know it from my quake days |
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| 11:10.00 | W00d5t0ck | but I'm not sure |
| 11:10.00 | Guerin | ah |
| 11:10.01 | maestro[] | Guerin: I made a net install... |
| 11:10.04 | Guerin | maguswizardo: ^^ |
| 11:10.07 | maestro[] | ah ok :) |
| 11:10.10 | Guerin | maestro[]: my typo :) |
| 11:10.15 | maestro[] | np |
| 11:10.22 | Ossar | maestro[]: Been like this for a week |
| 11:10.24 | green-earz | maguswizardo: did you downloand the iso with jigdo ? |
| 11:10.32 | maestro[] | Ossar: Try to comment out that XkbVariant thing |
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| 11:10.50 | Ossar | maestro[]: And restart comp? |
| 11:11.05 | vortec | if i want to reconfigure a package, what command do i have to type? |
| 11:11.07 | Fosten | hi, i'm using kernel image 2.6.8-1-k7, but cannot locate lirc_dev and lirc_gpio modules. does anyone know if these are included or if i will have to build them in myself? |
| 11:11.16 | grint | 2 Ossar : google says: Option "XkbRules" "xfree86" Option "XkbModel" "pc105" Option "XkbLayout" "se" "XkbVairant "nodeadkeys" |
| 11:11.23 | maestro[] | Ossar: Restarting X11 is enough |
| 11:11.42 | Ossar | grint: Maybe i shoud try this |
| 11:11.45 | maguswizardo | green-earz: jigdo? :| I got it from a download page I was linked to. I *think* an official one, but I"ll check... |
| 11:11.46 | green-earz | maguswizardo: have you got a dsl connection ? |
| 11:11.51 | Ossar | brb |
| 11:11.53 | maestro[] | grint: It's approximately the same |
| 11:11.57 | maestro[] | ehrm Ossar |
| 11:12.09 | maestro[] | Ossar: But I'm not sure whether you want nodeadkeyd |
| 11:12.13 | maestro[] | keys* |
| 11:12.17 | Ossar | maestro[]: No? |
| 11:12.48 | maguswizardo | green-earz: Satelite. But I can't download much at the moment - ISP cap.. |
| 11:13.06 | Ossar | maestro[]: Ok Ill try commenting out the variant and restartin X11 |
| 11:13.11 | maestro[] | Ossar: Well, you have to decide...nodeadkeys makes that wenn you press an accent or a tilde or something like that, it shows up directly |
| 11:13.30 | W00d5t0ck | maguswizardo: on packages.debian.org you can download only one package at a time, if you want |
| 11:13.32 | Ossar | maestro[]: Ill try it your way first... |
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| 11:15.36 | maestro | hrm |
| 11:15.37 | maestro | Ossar: With nodeadkeys, ~n shows up as you write it, witout it shows up as ñ |
| 11:15.39 | green-earz | maguswizardo: i sell sarge dvd 1 or cd set in the uk on ebay and the work ok, check out ebay for sarge the most up to date iso > for date of sarge iso > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386/ |
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| 11:15.59 | maestro[] | Ossar: Without nodeadkeys, it waits for the next letter |
| 11:16.00 | maestro[] | Ossar: With nodeadkeys, ~n shows up as you write it, witout it shows up as ñ |
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| 11:16.17 | man_in_shack | i assume apt-get returns an error if something goes wrong |
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| 11:16.25 | Ossar | Ok, Im back. Now everything is fine except the three swedish letters, which dont work at all |
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| 11:16.52 | man_in_shack | am i right? |
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| 11:17.06 | Ossar | maestro[]: Very strange, suddely they work... |
| 11:17.07 | W00d5t0ck | man_in_shack: of course |
| 11:17.30 | Ossar | maestro[]: Im just curious why the commenting out of variant worked... |
| 11:17.39 | maestro[] | Ossar: It's about the XkbVariant.. I don't know whether se_SE is a valid XkbVariant... |
| 11:17.39 | man_in_shack | just making sure |
| 11:18.11 | W00d5t0ck | Ossar: Here are my settings. http://pastebin.com/121930 |
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| 11:18.15 | maestro[] | Ossar: And it looks like X11 falls back to the default us layout if you set an invalid Variant |
| 11:18.18 | W00d5t0ck | I use hungarian set |
| 11:18.25 | Ossar | maestro[]: Hmm, I think it is an ISO standard of swedish keyboards |
| 11:18.29 | W00d5t0ck | and we have many characters (about 11) |
| 11:18.36 | jupi` | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.40 | W00d5t0ck | maybe it will work for you |
| 11:18.47 | Ossar | maestro[]: Youre probably right... Thanks for the support... |
| 11:19.03 | maguswizardo | W00d5t0ck: Which packages do I need to install XFree? Obviously x-window-system, x-window-system-core, and a window manager, but do I need any of the font-foo packages , for example? |
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| 11:19.08 | trappist | is there a way to get apt to install recommended packages? |
| 11:19.17 | trappist | other than by specifying them |
| 11:19.18 | Guerin | maguswizardo: just x-window-system |
| 11:19.22 | glick | i have cardbus support compiled into the kernel but dmesg no longer shows anything when i plug in or pull out a pcmcia card |
| 11:19.23 | W00d5t0ck | maguswizardo: I usually install x-window-system and gnome |
| 11:19.25 | brejk | Hi, I did typing error and I run rm -rf /dev :( is way how to fix this, or I need to do reinstallation of machine ? I have one server running same system (and HW configuration is simillar), can I copy /dev/ from this server ? |
| 11:19.28 | maestro[] | Ossar: np |
| 11:19.33 | Guerin | maguswizardo: anything else is optional, or will be pulled in as dependencies |
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| 11:19.49 | maestro[] | hm, having lunch |
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| 11:21.18 | green-earz | maguswizardo: x-window-system and kde-core that me |
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| 11:21.47 | W00d5t0ck | maguswizardo: With sarge it downloads about 200megs:) |
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| 11:22.37 | green-earz | maguswizardo: for sarge net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 11:22.43 | vortec | how can i configure exim under debian ? |
| 11:22.44 | jmd | Can anyone explain why I can no longer login via gdm after doing apt-get upgrade ? It seems that the X server rejects every attempt to connect. |
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| 11:22.49 | jackoooo | <jackoooo> hello |
| 11:22.49 | jackoooo | <jackoooo> anybody could help me with networking? |
| 11:22.49 | jackoooo | <jackoooo> i did dist-upgrade and my internet not working anymore |
| 11:22.55 | vortec | debconf exim4 doesn't work |
| 11:23.18 | W00d5t0ck | jackoooo: what kind of connection? |
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| 11:24.01 | Guerin | jackoooo: more details. Is the interface up? Can you ping? What packages were upgraded? Did the dist-upgrade run cleanly? Are you running sid? Etc... |
| 11:24.26 | Guerin | jmd: check BTS. |
| 11:24.30 | W00d5t0ck | poor thing:) too many questions :) |
| 11:24.35 | Guerin | jmd: what distro? |
| 11:24.56 | Guerin | vortec: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:25.20 | vortec | thanks alot |
| 11:25.24 | Guerin | vortec: or exim-config as you please |
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| 11:26.08 | jmd | Guerin: Sarge |
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| 11:26.31 | Guerin | jmd: something ought definitely be in BTS, then. |
| 11:26.54 | W00d5t0ck | jmd: have you installed something pam-ish before? after I installed ldap and libpam-ldap I couldn't login for a while... |
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| 11:27.37 | jmd | I only installed what apt-get wanted to. |
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| 11:28.20 | flash_muppet | I just tried to install make-kpkg and got a could'nt find package error? |
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| 11:28.47 | glick | how do i uninstall a kernel package? i have two under the same name, only their version numbers are different |
| 11:29.01 | W00d5t0ck | flash_muppet: apt-get update? |
| 11:29.11 | nomeata | Hi. Does anyone know how to stop the acroread-plugin from hogging the CPU in gecko-based browsers? |
| 11:29.14 | W00d5t0ck | glick: apt-get remove? |
| 11:29.23 | flash_muppet | WOOd5stOck: yea tried that |
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| 11:29.44 | W00d5t0ck | what is the exact error message then? |
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| 11:29.58 | glick | W00d5t0ck, when i do dpkg -l it shows two kernels, each have the same name only their version numbers are different |
| 11:30.04 | glick | so i dont know how to remove those |
| 11:30.08 | MitHfiNdeL | hi, I am trying to configure a Wacom USB tablet with xfree86 4.3 on a debian unstable 2.6.8 box |
| 11:30.10 | glick | i want to use dpkg --purge |
| 11:30.11 | MitHfiNdeL | when I try to use the stylus, the cursor hides into the upper rhight corner and sticks there whatever I do |
| 11:30.14 | Guerin | glick: apt-get remove kernel-image-foo=version |
| 11:30.14 | MitHfiNdeL | any clue ? |
| 11:30.16 | glick | but i dont know what name to give it |
| 11:30.31 | W00d5t0ck | apt-get remove package-version maybe |
| 11:30.31 | flash_muppet | WOOd5tock:apt-get install make-kpkg |
| 11:30.32 | flash_muppet | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 11:30.32 | flash_muppet | Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package make-kpkg |
| 11:30.34 | W00d5t0ck | =? |
| 11:30.34 | jackoooo | i did dist-upgrade and networking not work anymore... anyone could help pls? |
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| 11:30.44 | Guerin | glick: you should obey the kp mantra next time |
| 11:30.51 | W00d5t0ck | flash_muppet: apt-cache search kpkg |
| 11:30.58 | Guerin | !vaguenesssmite jackoooo |
| 11:31.05 | W00d5t0ck | kernel-package - A utility for building Linux kernel related Debian packages. |
| 11:31.13 | glick | Guerin, i used kpkg |
| 11:31.25 | Guerin | glick: you didn't say the mantra, though |
| 11:31.29 | Guerin | !kp mantra |
| 11:31.29 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 11:32.05 | Guerin | !tell jackoooo about ask |
| 11:32.10 | Guerin | !tell jackoooo about smart questions |
| 11:32.14 | Guerin | !tell jackoooo about vagueness |
| 11:32.23 | peterS | Guerin: errrm. |
| 11:32.32 | glick | it says no such package exists when i do dpkg --purge kernel-image-2=rev.01 |
| 11:32.45 | Guerin | peterS: well, I tried being nice about it... |
| 11:32.46 | peterS | glick: dpkg -l kernel-image-2\* |
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| 11:33.02 | Guerin | glick: kernel-image-2 is not a package name |
| 11:33.04 | Guerin | glick: ah |
| 11:33.22 | Guerin | glick: instead of dpkg -l, use COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
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| 11:33.26 | maguswizardo | Ok, if you can forgive a question that realy brings out the fact that I've been using debian for less than half a day, how do I install individual packages? |
| 11:33.34 | peterS | Guerin: oh, good poitn |
| 11:33.39 | Guerin | glick: the version is getting truncated because your term width is too small |
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| 11:34.09 | Guerin | maguswizardo: dpkg -i; or put them in /var/cache/apt/archives and apt-get will use them |
| 11:34.16 | green-earz | maguswizardo: apt-get install package-name |
| 11:34.27 | peterS | maguswizardo: apt-get install packagename. "apt-cache search words" to find package names. |
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