| 00:00.05 | caphuso | !virii |
| 00:00.06 | ou7by73s | hi avery body |
| 00:00.09 | dpkg | well, virii is incorrect. the correct plural form is viruses. see http://www.cknow.com/vtutor/vtplural.htm, or see viri, or "virii" would be the plural of "virius", just like "radius/radii". |
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| 00:00.51 | dao | nvz, if you know what you do, you wont have many of thet shit on windows either... there are just too many ignorant people |
| 00:00.52 | diseaser | is it possible to search wtih apt? |
| 00:00.55 | kingtrae1 | jbr: now I can get back to being productive. you and the rest of the #debian room rock! |
| 00:00.58 | The_Vulture | nvz: I manage to avoid most if not all of those quite sucessfully. a) don't use OE b) use Firefox or some alternative browser c) don't install random shit all the time |
| 00:01.02 | caphuso | diseaser: man apt-cache |
| 00:01.12 | underdog | diseaser, apt-cache search <search string> |
| 00:01.14 | diseaser | thanks |
| 00:01.25 | nvz | The_Vulture: I found not installing windows works better. |
| 00:01.32 | The_Vulture | nvz: granted there have been some instant exploits that require no user intervention, and just happen, so a firewall is a good idea - can't say linux is much different a lot of the time |
| 00:01.54 | nvz | The_Vulture: I cant last more than 5 minutes even with bash and half the GNU utilities installed |
| 00:02.09 | nvz | drives me nuts every time |
| 00:02.55 | caphuso | nvz: 5 minutes are enough to start a game, and while that's running it doesn't matter if you're using windows or not. or are there any other reasons to use windows? :) |
| 00:03.06 | grumbel | does apt-get get slower over time or what else could causing it to crawl? currently installing even small packages takes ages on a 1ghz pc, was much faster before, but have now almost ~4000 packages installed, apt/sources.list is relativly small |
| 00:03.29 | The_Vulture | nvz: yeah, granted, I don't use it to get work done, I use it to play games. Point being I can play them online quite well without a lot of the problems you mentioned. I think it's not just the OS to blame, but the user mentality, many viruses still propagate by user stupidity alone without any real exploit to speak of |
| 00:03.40 | The_Vulture | caphuso: indeed :) |
| 00:03.56 | CosmoDad | I use NFS to access some remote files, how can I map local user foo to be user bar on the remote machine? |
| 00:04.44 | nvz | caphuso: I guess. but you have to install and finagle the game at which point an app hangs you kill it and it just pops up a dialog at you, where even the _End_Now_ just sounds like a "pretty please with sugar on top" to the PC once that sissy assed windows kernel processes it |
| 00:04.45 | fugit | nvz, The_Vulture: Windows is a less secure system by default IMHO but can be made more secure by keeping it upto date and sticking it behind a firewall |
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| 00:05.02 | metalhedd | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.09 | fugit | nvz, The_Vulture: Now if only they would release games on Linux |
| 00:05.11 | dao | The_Vulture, yeah, yout right, too many ignorant people, who dont wanne take a better look before they do something and dont even wanna learn about the topic |
| 00:05.16 | The_Vulture | fugit: depends which default you talk about - look at the services running on various linux based OS' by default |
| 00:05.33 | The_Vulture | fugit: and the exploits that come out for them daily.. but yes, I agree to some extent |
| 00:05.39 | nvz | gawn nothing pisses me off more than hitting a button that says "End Now" and then doing it 500 times in a row, and still seeing the program |
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| 00:05.48 | nvz | s/gawn/gawd/ |
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| 00:06.01 | fugit | The_Vulture: That is true but at its core with everyone running around as admin in M$ land isnt' a good start |
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| 00:06.23 | fugit | The_Vulture: but yes I agree with you to some extent as well ;-P |
| 00:06.26 | zirikili | CosmoDad: you give access to 'foo' on 'bar' files |
| 00:06.38 | The_Vulture | fugit: then I guess we'll leave it at that :) |
| 00:06.39 | lonewolff | hi can anyone help me, im looking for where my battery state is held in sare but its not unser /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state where i assumed it would be |
| 00:06.46 | nvz | well maybe a dog digging around for hours when I type in a search query.. |
| 00:07.12 | nvz | or seeing a set of drums everytime I boot windows with a "Windows Setup" and then it rebooting continuously |
| 00:07.14 | The_Vulture | nvz: I'm sure you could change it to a dude with a wizard's cap or something, if it entertained you better ;) |
| 00:07.27 | nvz | its really hard to measure the ways I hate windows |
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| 00:07.53 | SDFH_Linux | lol |
| 00:08.25 | nvz | The_Vulture: I'd like to not be psychologically manipulated to try hide the fact the poorly coded software is taking an unnessicary length of time to process my request |
| 00:08.27 | CosmoDad | zirikili: oh I should have added that user foo doesn't exist on the remote machine and I don't want to add him... |
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| 00:09.05 | xerophyte | what kidn of email server setup is good ? |
| 00:09.08 | CosmoDad | zirikili: I'm looking for "true" mapping |
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| 00:09.29 | The_Vulture | nvz: well try running a find / on your linux system and see how long it takes - I think recent versions of windows have a locate-esque database to speed up finding things these days, but don't quote me on it |
| 00:09.30 | wols | xerophyte: one which doesn't involve sendmail |
| 00:09.52 | mathieu | The_Vulture, you're right. you can also disable it |
| 00:09.59 | xerophyte | wols if you wanna use postfix + pop + imap which one will you use for pop and imap |
| 00:10.13 | The_Vulture | mathieu: just as you can turn off yer updatedb cron job in debian |
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| 00:10.18 | mathieu | yep |
| 00:10.19 | wols | xerophyte: courier or cyrus |
| 00:10.28 | wols | courier is easier to set up |
| 00:10.46 | wols | cyrus more powerful |
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| 00:10.52 | fugit | just upgraded to Evolution 2.0 at home, been using at work for a while. Just noticed no more Summary page =) Damn never noticed it at work |
| 00:11.15 | mathieu | i know that knoppix_is_not_debian, but i've noticed that knoppix runs updatedb 5 mins after boot when the locate db is not up-to-date |
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| 00:11.16 | nvz | The_Vulture: windows xp I have learned does alot of neat tricks anymore.. it uses file permissions, and actually denies access to unautorized users.. and other neat features.. but guess what the bad ones far outweigh them and it should have had those features a long time ago |
| 00:11.28 | mathieu | (when installed on hd, that is) |
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| 00:11.52 | The_Vulture | nvz: *shrugs* I'll still boot it to play Tribes Vengeance.. |
| 00:12.00 | gilles | hi |
| 00:12.02 | mathieu | nvz, and no windows user wants restricted access... so everyone is administrator |
| 00:12.16 | The_Vulture | the SP2 security stuff is a bit laughable in some ways, but that's ok |
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| 00:12.43 | gilles | all my softwares think i'm using OSS, but i'm using alsa with esnd, how to configure all those sound software ? |
| 00:12.45 | nvz | The_Vulture: I'd rather be annoyed by gentoo trolls |
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| 00:12.57 | The_Vulture | nvz: hehe, that's saying something :) |
| 00:13.22 | The_Vulture | or you just have some poorly-hidden affection for gentoo trolls.. that's the real truth isn't it? |
| 00:13.28 | nvz | The_Vulture: windows lets me down even when I turn to it with the simplest of tasks |
| 00:13.30 | The_Vulture | you think they are cute and cuddly, don't you? |
| 00:13.32 | Area-51 | is there some secret to getting connected wirelessly from debian testing? i specify my wireless-essid and wireless-key and say to pick up ip via dhcp, that fails, so i specify one manually, but i cant get net access (eth2 is wireless, eth0 is hardline) and hardline works just fine with dhcp... any ideas? |
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| 00:13.59 | The_Vulture | Area-51: if we told you it wouldn't be a secret now would it? |
| 00:14.03 | xerophyte | wols which is more reliable for large email server like 20K emails account courier or cyrus? |
| 00:14.11 | lewis | which option should I use to ensure that rsync copies across changed files? '-c' (checksum) didn't seem to work, though it took ages |
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| 00:14.23 | Area-51 | The_Vulture: it would still be a secret to others, but for i am worthy of such knowledge :P |
| 00:14.41 | The_Vulture | Area-51: can't say I know, I don't play with wireless in debian |
| 00:14.51 | Area-51 | i see |
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| 00:15.23 | wols | xerophyte: cyrus for a setup like that |
| 00:15.33 | Area-51 | also, is there a way to specify what wireless channel is being used? ive only seen the essid and key settings |
| 00:15.41 | Wyzard | Area-51: Use iwconfig to check that the card is successfully associated with the access point |
| 00:15.52 | nvz | everyone should just boycott all windows games and make the freakin programmers go back and write them for some other gaming platform |
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| 00:16.00 | wols | sorry, but: if you need to implement email for 20k people and don't know the first thing about imap servers, you are the wrong choice for the job |
| 00:16.02 | lonewolff | does anyone know why there would be no /proc/acpi on my system? |
| 00:16.04 | xerophyte | wols thx |
| 00:16.11 | nvz | tell em, alright geeks, stop making windows games, or no more money |
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| 00:16.16 | resiak | lonewolff: You don't have ACPI in your kernel? |
| 00:16.24 | jdhutchin1 | lonewolff, or you haven't insmod'd acpi? |
| 00:16.38 | lonewolff | resiak: is acpi in the stock debian 2.4 kernel? |
| 00:16.54 | resiak | lonewolff: I have absolutely no idea, but your experience would suggest not. |
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| 00:16.58 | jdhutchin1 | lonewolff, it's probably a module |
| 00:17.05 | usuario | how do you display pids? |
| 00:17.50 | resiak | usuario: ps? |
| 00:17.53 | jbr | usuario: pidof (ps, top...) |
| 00:18.07 | Area-51 | Wyzard: actually no, but kwifi says it is |
| 00:18.13 | usuario | thanks |
| 00:18.19 | usuario | exit |
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| 00:22.54 | Genixpro | I have a problem that has the easiest solution i know of but i still don't know how to do it. I have a laptop, and the only way to get data from the outside world onto it is through a 128 mb usb key and a floppy drive. I have debian sarge on dvd. How do i somehow boot debian on it, and trfaaffic the wanted packages from the dvd to the computer though the usb key? i know 1) i need to boot a debian dvd. 2) boot a sarge floppy on the l |
| 00:22.54 | Genixpro | aptop. and 3) properly automount the usbkey, and have it in some config file as a source for debian packages. How to get the packages in the correct directory tree onto the usbkey i don't know |
| 00:23.09 | CosmoDad | has the map_static option been eradicated from exports (NFS)? Can't find it in the man-page... |
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| 00:24.31 | Wyzard | Genixpro: The easiest way would be to borrow a network card... |
| 00:24.50 | Genixpro | the laptop is shit, you should know that. 64 mb of ram, and a p2 233 proccecor |
| 00:25.03 | Wyzard | Genixpro: I've installed Debian on worse |
| 00:25.18 | harryvv | genixpro, mmm debian and run on a P133 |
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| 00:25.26 | Wyzard | Genixpro: I used to have a 133MHz Pentium-classic laptop |
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| 00:25.36 | Wyzard | Genixpro: I got an ethernet card for it for $15 on ebay |
| 00:26.10 | Genixpro | well, thats good. buty still, how do i have it copy all of the required debian packages into the usb key? |
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| 00:26.33 | Area-51 | i like tacos |
| 00:26.41 | harryvv | genixpro, he gave you the answer the ethercard |
| 00:26.58 | Wyzard | Genixpro: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- get the 100MB netinst image and the USB-stick boot image |
| 00:27.06 | Genixpro | we tried, they were sold out |
| 00:27.21 | Wyzard | Genixpro: The netinst image includes the base system and will fit on the USB stick, so you *should* be able to install a base Debian system with just those things |
| 00:27.23 | UnNamed | hi, maybe general kernel question, acpi related: poweroff cmd does not work, it keeps computer on, but echo 5 > /proc/acpi/sleep does turn off all, so how to make kernel do the same instead of printing "power off"? sarge default kernel, fine tuning the install |
| 00:27.38 | Genixpro | Looks, this thing is winME,. its getttiong more viruses every minute. if i dont act fast, someone might find a credit card number |
| 00:27.56 | Genixpro | ok |
| 00:28.06 | Wyzard | Genixpro: Umm... if it doesn't have a network card, nobody's getting any personal data off it unless they have physical access to it |
| 00:28.27 | Genixpro | he uses a modem, were away from home right now |
| 00:28.35 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:28.43 | BhaalWK | Hey, if Im building a kernel, where do I get the initrd-img file from to use with grub? Not using any debian stuff |
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| 00:29.11 | Wyzard | Genixpro: Well, have fun downloading the 100MB netinst image over a modem ;-) |
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| 00:29.26 | Genixpro | i have high speed on my other comp :) |
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| 00:29.33 | Genixpro | 450kb/s |
| 00:30.12 | Genixpro | so i use net install, then i somehow mount and setup the usb key as a holder of debian packages, doesn't seem hard |
| 00:30.18 | Wyzard | Genixpro: And I can't guarantee that you'll be able to install without a network connection -- it's called "netinst", after all -- but I'm reasoning that it should be possible, since the installer and the base system are all you need to get a system which boots and gives you a login |
| 00:30.24 | Genixpro | then i copy the |
| 00:30.34 | Genixpro | opk |
| 00:30.35 | DaCa | BhaalWK: if your diskcontroller is compiled _into_ the kernel (as opposed to modules), you don't need an initrd |
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| 00:30.49 | Wyzard | Genixpro: The way the USB stick boot image works is, you write the boot image to the stick, then mount it and copy the netinst iso onto it |
| 00:30.57 | Wyzard | When it boots, it loop-mounts the iso and runs the installer |
| 00:31.03 | imchondee | anyone here know software raid? I just had a drive fail and raidstart is not working |
| 00:31.14 | budluva | would it be better to connect a 10mbps nic to a cable modem instead of having it connected to my local network? ie file transfers locally are slowed by this 10mbps nic, but as my cable connection is only 5mbit would it be better to have it connected to cable modem? |
| 00:31.25 | wols | there is a 38MB netinst which works for getting started and has everything you need (like pppd to get the modem working) |
| 00:31.29 | UnNamed | imchondee: only one? it should work |
| 00:31.48 | UnNamed | imchondee: /proc/mdstat reports disk status |
| 00:31.52 | Wyzard | wols: If you're talking about the businesscard image, that doesn't include the base system, so he'd have to download it while installing |
| 00:31.55 | wols | budluva: do you have a switch |
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| 00:32.00 | budluva | wols, no |
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| 00:32.07 | budluva | wols, no hub/switch/router |
| 00:32.18 | budluva | wols, juts a bunch of nics connected together |
| 00:32.30 | wols | Wyzard: ok, then he should use the netinst isos from people.debian.org/~blade |
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| 00:32.46 | Genixpro | so, again. I download the netinst image, then how do i boot it from a floppy and a usb drive? straight out |
| 00:32.48 | imchondee | UnNamed: Ok..here is the deal.... the cats knocked the computer causing 3 drives to stop responding. I rebooted the box and all 8 drives (7 are raid devices) show up. when I rinstartraid it dosn't like 3 however the partitions are still there |
| 00:32.58 | wols | those are woody isos, 31MB, 2.4 kernel. And they include basdebs.tar.gz |
| 00:33.00 | imchondee | UnNamed: and mdstat dosn't show the raid |
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| 00:33.24 | wols | Genixpro: there is a floppy image on the ISO afaik |
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| 00:34.02 | UnNamed | imchondee: nasty, tried fdisk to see if you can list all partitions? and some dd if=/dev/partition of=/dev/null to check they are accesible? |
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| 00:34.11 | Genixpro | ok, so i tell the floppy image when it boots that the full image is on the usb key |
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| 00:34.43 | imchondee | UnNamed: is hdg hdf and hdb it dosn't like...brb |
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| 00:35.15 | imchondee | UnNamed: partuitons are there |
| 00:35.50 | lewis | which option should I use to ensure that rsync copies across changed files? '-c' (checksum) didn't seem to work, though it took ages |
| 00:35.51 | UnNamed | imchondee: and dd reports read data or errors? |
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| 00:36.02 | imchondee | UnNamed: vdd seems to read the data fine |
| 00:36.06 | imchondee | dd rather |
| 00:36.55 | imchondee | UnNamed: in var/log/messages it onyl says cdeh are operational as a raid disk |
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| 00:37.26 | alex | this will sounds stupid but what is the command to see the size of a file ? |
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| 00:37.39 | UnNamed | imchondee: stop it and try starting it again, maybe some disk did not spin up fast enough after that hit |
| 00:37.43 | imchondee | alejandro_ try ls -a |
| 00:37.46 | imchondee | err ls -al |
| 00:38.00 | imchondee | reboot the box? |
| 00:38.00 | lewis | !rsyn |
| 00:38.06 | alejandro_ | imchondee, are you sure is for me? :) |
| 00:38.22 | lewis | is there an rsync channel? |
| 00:38.26 | imchondee | alejandro_ opps...that was for alex |
| 00:38.34 | alejandro_ | np |
| 00:38.46 | imchondee | UnNamed reboot the box? |
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| 00:38.56 | UnNamed | imchondee: you can do it manually too, right? |
| 00:39.07 | imchondee | UnNamed stop what? |
| 00:39.11 | Ugly_Duck | i have a brouther hl1430 usb printer.. can i set the printer up without needing xwindows? |
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| 00:40.22 | Genixpro | you guys arent really descriptive, although you are sorta helping. I have a sarge dvd so i dont want to redownload mostr of it, i can copy and paste the debs. I have a laptop only capable of booting floppies and its 3 gig harddrive, I have a usb memory key that i need to copy and paste required debs onto after installation. I know i should use netinst for the base system that i will use. BUT HOW DO I BOOT IT WHEN ITS ON A USB MEMORY |
| 00:40.22 | Genixpro | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.23 | UnNamed | imchondee: md? not md0 or something like that? |
| 00:40.26 | alejandro_ | by the way, does anyone has a problem with nautilus? with the audio view, it only happens in /home "The audio view has found an error while it was starting. The location can't be shown with this 'viewer'" |
| 00:40.33 | alejandro_ | (gnome 2.8) |
| 00:40.40 | imchondee | md0 rather |
| 00:40.44 | jdhutchin1 | Ugly_Duck, you can use foomatic's helpers for cups/lp |
| 00:40.48 | simonrvn | Genixpro: the install guide tells how |
| 00:40.53 | UnNamed | imchondee: udev per chance? |
| 00:40.56 | Genixpro | oh, thats cool |
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| 00:40.59 | Ugly_Duck | jdhutchin1: thanks |
| 00:41.13 | imchondee | UnNamed udev? |
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| 00:41.39 | imchondee | UnNamed udev man page not found. command not found |
| 00:41.40 | UnNamed | imchondee: maybe i am also confused by the error |
| 00:41.40 | jdhutchin1 | Genixpro, read the documentation and google for it. You're not the first person to have tried booting from a memory card |
| 00:41.50 | UnNamed | imchondee: "no MD device files in dev" |
| 00:42.07 | simonrvn | UnNamed: what does /cat/proc/mdstat say? |
| 00:42.18 | simonrvn | UnNamed: uh cat /proc/mdstat |
| 00:42.23 | john | Any ideas why my X server can't get past the line "(++) using VT 7" ? It stalls out there and won't load any modules |
| 00:42.24 | imchondee | UnNamed file. and /dev/md0 is there |
| 00:43.02 | imchondee | simonrvn Read_ahead not set and unused devices: none |
| 00:43.27 | simonrvn | imchondee: how about pasting the stuff in #flood or the paste bot? |
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| 00:44.15 | imchondee | sim ok...hold on |
| 00:44.38 | imchondee | simonrvn on #flood...loggin in to the box from remote |
| 00:45.37 | imchondee | simonrvn rady? |
| 00:45.41 | imchondee | ready |
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| 00:45.49 | simonrvn | i'm there already... |
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| 00:46.51 | Guerin | ... |
| 00:47.08 | imchondee | it appears I got kicked of cause i spammed #flood |
| 00:47.13 | imchondee | twisted |
| 00:47.22 | imchondee | simonrvn did you get any of that? |
| 00:47.23 | Guerin | imchondee: what irc client? |
| 00:47.29 | imchondee | mIRC |
| 00:47.33 | UdontKnow | imchondee: #flood has a purpose, and rules |
| 00:47.33 | Guerin | hahah |
| 00:47.38 | simonrvn | no i didn't. you have a crap irc client |
| 00:47.41 | UdontKnow | imchondee: read the topic for details |
| 00:47.52 | imchondee | Ok..lets paste this a littel slower this time |
| 00:47.52 | simonrvn | oh, mirc. figures |
| 00:48.07 | UdontKnow | ah, got disconnected |
| 00:48.14 | UdontKnow | so try to paste slowly |
| 00:48.15 | Guerin | imchondee: does mirc have a "delay 1 second between lines" function? |
| 00:48.25 | imchondee | dunno.... |
| 00:48.32 | imchondee | its what my friend had on his box |
| 00:48.33 | Bols | Guerin, nop but some scripts |
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| 00:49.31 | alex | imchondee: thanks but how do I know the size of a dir ? I mean ls -ls gives me the size of the dir but not including its content |
| 00:49.41 | budluva | help, im having problems with my network, i have net access on my main server, but not on any connected computers through the local network, my routes seem fine but other than that i dont know whats wrong |
| 00:49.45 | Guerin | alex: du |
| 00:49.46 | Bols | alex, du |
| 00:49.49 | alex | thanks |
| 00:49.50 | UdontKnow | alex: du -sh |
| 00:49.57 | UdontKnow | alex: from inside the directory |
| 00:50.00 | Guerin | budluva: your routes aren't fine |
| 00:50.07 | john | Anyone else have a problems getting a laptop with a radeon video card to work using the new sarge debian installer? |
| 00:50.10 | budluva | it was working, but then i switched over some network cables, but i adjusted for that through /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:50.51 | Guerin | budluva: draw yourself a picture, on paper, of your network. |
| 00:51.01 | imchondee | simonrvn there |
| 00:51.03 | imchondee | that was painfull |
| 00:51.07 | budluva | Guerin how do i clear my iptables? iptables -clear ??? |
| 00:51.07 | imchondee | relitivally speaking |
| 00:51.17 | budluva | Guerin thats what i was told last time to do as a temp fix |
| 00:51.25 | lucas | budluva: iptables -F |
| 00:51.29 | lucas | flush |
| 00:51.32 | budluva | ahh |
| 00:51.33 | budluva | thanks |
| 00:51.39 | Guerin | budluva: yeah, clearing iptables might be worthwhile. |
| 00:51.46 | imchondee | UnNamed that any help? |
| 00:52.01 | simonrvn | imchondee: i never asked for that |
| 00:52.16 | wols | budluva: if you use ipmasq, just /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart it |
| 00:52.25 | imchondee | simonrvn didn't you ask for the log messages ? |
| 00:52.43 | Guerin | and unless you want to do something complicated, you SHOULD only be using ipmasq |
| 00:52.59 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'd recommend FireHOL |
| 00:53.05 | simonrvn | imchondee: no i did not |
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| 00:53.11 | UnNamed | imchondee: it seems to add the 6 disk, but we want cat /proc/mdstat |
| 00:53.18 | budluva | Guerin so use ipmasq, but not iptables? |
| 00:53.30 | Guerin | Wyzard: why? ipmasq does NAT without any configuration. Anything which is more complicated than that is unnecessary. |
| 00:53.38 | Guerin | budluva: minimal force. |
| 00:53.55 | imchondee | UnNamed not much there :< |
| 00:54.01 | Guerin | Wyzard: unnecessary if all he wants is NAT, I mean. |
| 00:54.02 | budluva | ok, flushed iptables, restarted ipmasq |
| 00:54.13 | UnNamed | imchondee: yep, the log ads the disks, then stops them |
| 00:54.15 | budluva | everything works good |
| 00:54.24 | budluva | now how do i get it to stay like this after a reboot? |
| 00:54.27 | UnNamed | the log says that it ads |
| 00:54.34 | imchondee | UnNamed there aer 7 btw, hdb1, hdh1 |
| 00:54.35 | budluva | remove iptables? |
| 00:54.38 | Wyzard | Guerin: FireHOL provides NAT plus a stateful firewall, with very little configuration... and the config file is extremely succinct and readable |
| 00:54.55 | wols | budluva: anytime your network changes or you get another public IP, you have to restart ipmasq. flushing iptables is not necessary (ipmasq does this) |
| 00:54.58 | Guerin | Wyzard: no config > little config |
| 00:55.04 | imchondee | UnNamed then removes it at the end |
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| 00:56.06 | Wyzard | Guerin: Not necessarily... it's better to have a config file you can look at and know what your firewall/NAT policies are, rather than having it be a big auto-magical mystery |
| 00:56.11 | UnNamed | simonrvn: any idea why it would start then stop in less than a sec? |
| 00:56.13 | budluva | wols, restarting ipmasq automatically flushes iptables? |
| 00:56.23 | houser | hi some body can help me with a vnc server icould conect but i only get a gray screen |
| 00:56.23 | wols | budluva: yes |
| 00:56.30 | budluva | oh ok |
| 00:56.31 | houser | with a mouse pointer |
| 00:56.32 | simonrvn | UnNamed: no, since i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 00:57.04 | Guerin | Wyzard: unless, like most people, looking at ANY config file would be worse than useless, and when you can read in doc that the default policy is to allow all established and related and to drop all else |
| 00:57.19 | imchondee | UnNamed what I don't understand is why it checks each discks event counter (not sure exactally what that means) then unbinds 3 disks then complaines that not all the raid stuff is thre |
| 00:57.22 | wols | Wyzard: for starters: an iptables script on a PC which is not exclusively a router, is NOT a firewall anyways |
| 00:57.41 | wols | so just ipmasq is good enough since you can't really have a firewall anyways |
| 00:57.57 | Guerin | Wyzard: I'm saying that if all someone wants is NAT which Just Works, ipmasq is the ideal tool, because it provides this and requires no user input to do so. I'm not saying it's the perfect application of iptables. |
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| 00:58.22 | houser | can some body help me a litle? |
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| 00:58.28 | Wyzard | Guerin: But if he ever decides he wants slightly more -- some forwarded ports, for example -- he's stuck |
| 00:58.31 | simonrvn | @tell houser about ask |
| 00:58.32 | houser | with vnc server config ? |
| 00:58.33 | Guerin | houser: ask |
| 00:58.37 | baf|away | How can I find out with which syntax a binary package has been configured? |
| 00:58.38 | Guerin | Wyzard: indeed. |
| 00:58.39 | resiak | houser: man vncserver |
| 00:58.44 | budluva | Guerin so should i be using my main server as a router? as all it has is 3 nics and a power cord connected to it |
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| 00:58.51 | wols | Wyzard: he is not. there is a docs on how to extend ipmasq and port forward |
| 00:58.54 | imchondee | UnNamed I did notice that the event masks for 2 HDs are 111 and 112 |
| 00:59.04 | budluva | Guerin all thats installed is ipmasq, no firewall or anything |
| 00:59.05 | Guerin | Wyzard: 90something% of NAT users will never need this, however |
| 00:59.06 | imchondee | UnNamed the other 4 are 179 |
| 00:59.15 | houser | man vncserver |
| 00:59.31 | simonrvn | in your terminal.... |
| 00:59.35 | resiak | houser: No, at a terminal... |
| 00:59.38 | UnNamed | simonrvn: he pasted a big log about the raid system, and it ads the disk, then stops md0 (or that is what i understand) |
| 00:59.39 | Guerin | budluva: I don't understand why you're asking me this question? |
| 00:59.41 | houser | ok |
| 00:59.56 | szazo | hi |
| 01:00.01 | budluva | Guerin err why not? |
| 01:00.22 | budluva | Guerin you seem to know alot more than i do, thats why im asking you |
| 01:00.22 | Guerin | budluva: only you know what you want out of your computer setup. |
| 01:00.25 | simonrvn | AIUI, there's a certain order they have to be started up, don't ask me what though |
| 01:00.57 | simonrvn | raid howto and/or google can help |
| 01:00.57 | brluziuxi | ctcp brluziuxi ping |
| 01:01.04 | budluva | Guerin well i want it to work, which it is right now, but it might not be the safest/most secure solution |
| 01:01.10 | wols | budluva: just make sure you have as few ports open to the outside as possible on that router |
| 01:01.17 | imchondee | simonrvntried taht before I came here hoping there was a simple fix :< |
| 01:01.20 | Guerin | budluva: you're asking matters of opinion which are dependent on your specific circumstances. |
| 01:01.45 | szazo | what could i do wrong i have made a new 2.6.8 and 2.6.7 kernel with scsi and after scsi attach both kernel hangs with no error??? |
| 01:01.50 | simonrvn | imchondee: well, what is it you want to do exactly? |
| 01:01.50 | Guerin | budluva: sure, running a dedicated router box without anything else on it is ideal, but not everyone has a spare box they can set aside for that |
| 01:02.04 | jharrison | have you guys noticed no updates with apt-get update? |
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| 01:02.09 | imchondee | simonrvn have raidstart work so I can mount the raid |
| 01:02.15 | loocek | hi! how can I change resolution of virtual console? now I have 640:480, but I want to 800:600..... |
| 01:02.16 | jharrison | the last 2 days I have only gotten hits but no gets |
| 01:02.19 | jharrison | very very strange |
| 01:02.30 | Wyzard | jharrison: If you run stable, the only updates are security updates, which happen only occasionally |
| 01:02.32 | Guerin | budluva: I run a bunch of services on my router box; apache, proftpd, nfs, a mta, lots.. |
| 01:02.33 | simonrvn | imchondee: no, i mean what kind of raid are we talking about? |
| 01:02.40 | Wyzard | jharrison: If you run sarge or sid, there are updates every day |
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| 01:02.41 | jharrison | Wyzard: I dont run stable |
| 01:02.47 | jharrison | Wyzard: yes that is what im saying |
| 01:02.48 | Guerin | loocek: pass vga=789 to the kernel at boot |
| 01:02.51 | imchondee | simonrvn raid 5 |
| 01:02.59 | budluva | Guerin as do i |
| 01:03.13 | simonrvn | looks more than just a simple raid 5 |
| 01:03.17 | loocek | Guerin: i'm using grub for boot..... |
| 01:03.22 | szazo | any idea? |
| 01:03.31 | imchondee | simonrvn simple raid5 software raid |
| 01:03.33 | Wyzard | jharrison: I'm installing updates right now, so I'm not sure what problem you're describing |
| 01:03.40 | simonrvn | ok |
| 01:03.43 | Guerin | budluva: I'm confident in my ability to secure my boxen and I keep an eye on security updates. Are you? |
| 01:03.47 | wols | loocek: then just add what Guerin told you to your kernel line |
| 01:03.56 | jharrison | Wyzard: Hit http://archive.progeny.com unstable/non-free Sources |
| 01:03.57 | jharrison | Hit http://archive.progeny.com unstable/non-free Release |
| 01:04.01 | budluva | Guerin no |
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| 01:04.05 | jharrison | Wyzard: see those Hits? |
| 01:04.11 | jharrison | Wyzard: they should be Gets |
| 01:04.23 | jharrison | Wyzard: but I havent had any Gets on an apt-get update for 2 or 3 days now |
| 01:04.28 | simonrvn | again, aiui, there's X+1 disks in raid 5. the +1 being the one keeping track of the meta data stuff. |
| 01:04.29 | imchondee | that is my raidtab (in #flood) |
| 01:04.29 | loocek | yeah :) , but it not work |
| 01:04.31 | jharrison | Wyzard: which I think is STRANGE |
| 01:04.34 | simonrvn | and don't fucking /msg me |
| 01:04.35 | budluva | Guerin as im new to linux/debian and not aware of how to secure a linux system |
| 01:04.36 | giupy | what is kacpid and why does it takes 70% of my cpu and i can't do nothing? |
| 01:04.36 | Guerin | budluva: then you need to only run services which you're confident you can keep secure. |
| 01:04.53 | Guerin | budluva: apt-get install harden-doc; read it |
| 01:04.55 | budluva | Guerin i run apache, mysql, samba, ssh, ftp |
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| 01:05.10 | budluva | Guerin but have no clue how secure i have them setup |
| 01:05.20 | Guerin | giupy: it's a kernel acpid, and it's really really evil on many laptops. Boot with acpi=off |
| 01:05.24 | simonrvn | and he does it again... |
| 01:05.35 | wols | budluva: don't allow samba and mysql listen on outside ports |
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| 01:05.39 | PorscheBoy | fgfg |
| 01:05.40 | PorscheBoy | fg |
| 01:05.42 | Guerin | budluva: ok, thay're not too hard to secure. |
| 01:05.42 | PorscheBoy | fg |
| 01:05.49 | imchondee | simonrvn yup |
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| 01:05.53 | giupy | Guerin i can't if i do it kernel doesn't boot |
| 01:06.01 | carnage | is oss free with debian? |
| 01:06.03 | houser | i understan all of the manula pages but it steel gives me the ray page |
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| 01:06.08 | Guerin | giupy: with what error? |
| 01:06.09 | houser | what aus can i do ? |
| 01:06.15 | Guerin | carnage: debian is free software. |
| 01:06.16 | budluva | wols ok, now where would i learn how to do that? or is simple as in editing a config file? |
| 01:06.19 | Wyzard | jharrison: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/3837/1/ |
| 01:06.26 | imchondee | UnNamed any thoughts? |
| 01:06.26 | Wyzard | jharrison: Use different sources |
| 01:06.28 | Guerin | budluva: let's go through one by one. |
| 01:06.35 | carnage | yeah but does oss come with it? |
| 01:06.36 | giupy | Guerin ide 128kb or something like that i don't remember |
| 01:06.40 | giupy | kib |
| 01:06.43 | wols | budluva: usually it is, yes. and you learn by reading the docs (or howtos) on the affected software packages |
| 01:06.45 | budluva | Guerin ok |
| 01:06.51 | budluva | wols ok |
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| 01:06.56 | simonrvn | imchondee: i could very well be reading that log output wrong, but seems to me you have no disk handling the meta data */me checks again) |
| 01:06.59 | houser | i did lern a lot about it |
| 01:07.15 | Guerin | budluva: ftp is your biggest risk, if you allow unix users witth a shell to login. If you only allow anonymous, encrypted or dummy user logins, it's not too bad. What do you allow? |
| 01:07.16 | houser | and it work for once and i rebooted and now it is not working |
| 01:07.20 | UnNamed | imchondee: not really, no idea why starts then stops in the same sec |
| 01:07.26 | szazo | what could i do wrong i have made a new 2.6.8 and 2.6.7 kernel with scsi and after scsi attach both kernel hangs with no error??? |
| 01:07.30 | budluva | Guerin only unix users, no anon |
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| 01:07.51 | giupy | i have 2.6.8 deb sarge precompiled |
| 01:07.52 | simonrvn | imchondee: try using mdadm instaed. it's easier to use |
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| 01:08.14 | Guerin | giupy: ok, you're going to have to be less vague. |
| 01:08.18 | jharrison | what is that program that finds the fastest mirrors? |
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| 01:08.23 | jharrison | apt-mirror or something |
| 01:08.27 | Guerin | budluva: ok, you need to change that unless they're logging in over a shell. |
| 01:08.29 | Guerin | err |
| 01:08.33 | Guerin | over a secure shell |
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| 01:08.44 | Guerin | jharrison: apt-spy |
| 01:08.46 | Wyzard | szazo: I *think* that was a 3-sentence runon, but I'm not quite sure... if you ask your question more legibly, more people might help |
| 01:08.51 | giupy | yes sorry |
| 01:08.52 | jharrison | yeah thats it |
| 01:09.18 | budluva | Guerin well i only have 2 accounts on each of my systems, root and budluva |
| 01:09.34 | budluva | so i only ftp locally really |
| 01:09.49 | Guerin | budluva: so don't allow any ftp at all to those users. If you need to log in and do stuff, use ssh/scp. |
| 01:09.57 | simonrvn | AfuckingFK |
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| 01:10.05 | bgreear | I'm trying to install a debian chroot on my FC3 system with debootstrap 0.2.45. It cannot find devices.tar.gz. Any ideas where to find said beast? |
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| 01:10.39 | szazo | Wyzard i will try:) |
| 01:10.46 | budluva | Guerin ok, but what if i use flashxp on my xp machine, i cant go through ssh via flashfxp |
| 01:11.05 | Guerin | budluva: if you still want to run a ftp server, make a dummy account without a shell, and allow that user ftp access |
| 01:11.30 | Guerin | budluva: or use a ftpd like proftpd which can authenticate out of a mysql database |
| 01:11.55 | szazo | the sarge precompile kernel works, i compiled some 2.6.8 kernel and they hang after "attached scsi drive sda....." shat could be the problem? |
| 01:12.01 | Wyzard | budluva: Why do you need to use FlashFXP? (Does FXP even work when one end is behind a NAT?) |
| 01:12.12 | Guerin | Wyzard: w4r3z |
| 01:12.45 | Wyzard | Guerin: Regardless of content, if one of the hosts is on a LAN, you might as well just download the file and then upload it to the other local box |
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| 01:13.00 | Guerin | Wyzard: he's fxping to the router box which provides nat, not to a box behing the nat |
| 01:13.03 | Guerin | behind |
| 01:13.05 | szazo | any idea? |
| 01:13.08 | Wyzard | And anyway, bittorrent is much better for w4r3z ;-) |
| 01:13.09 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:13.23 | imchondee | UnNamed any tohuts on hwere I can get a solution for this? |
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| 01:13.59 | imchondee | it appears to not like the event counting number thing... |
| 01:14.03 | imchondee | what ever that means |
| 01:14.17 | Aftran | Hi. Bye. :) |
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| 01:14.25 | imchondee | and google dosn't want to show my a page on the meaning of the event counters or how to get them to match |
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| 01:14.37 | imchondee | and mkraid -upgrade dosn't work |
| 01:14.54 | UnNamed | imchondee: i would start with raid howto, maybe has pointers to useful info |
| 01:15.02 | szazo | the sarge precompile kernel works, i compiled some 2.6.8 kernel and they hang after "attached scsi drive sda....." shat could be the problem? |
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| 01:16.01 | wols | szazo: I don't know what your problem could be, but I would compile a new kernel with the sarge .config as a startingpoint |
| 01:16.09 | wols | don't change anything inside of the scsi subtree |
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| 01:16.37 | szazo | wols thx and where can i find the sarge .config? on the sarge cd?? |
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| 01:17.09 | wols | szazo: if you install the 2.6.8 kernel from sarge, you will find it in /boot as config-2.6.8* |
| 01:17.49 | wols | any debian kernel puts its .config in /boot, and your own compiled will too if you use kernelpackage (as you should) |
| 01:17.53 | szazo | ok thx |
| 01:18.12 | szazo | i will try |
| 01:18.37 | imchondee | Here is an intresting bit from the howto |
| 01:18.43 | abrotman | totally OT: any of you have a 12string guitar? |
| 01:18.51 | resiak | abrotman: No, but I'd love one. |
| 01:18.59 | nvz | I got a 6-string guitar |
| 01:18.59 | abrotman | resiak: well .. you're not gonna help :) |
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| 01:19.04 | resiak | abrotman: (Sorry, that's not at all helpful :)) |
| 01:19.09 | abrotman | i've got 3 . but i want a 12 string |
| 01:19.19 | abrotman | nvz: what type do you have? resiak too |
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| 01:19.45 | Guerin | i have two six-string guitars |
| 01:19.49 | Guerin | does that count?? |
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| 01:20.29 | resiak | abrotman: Strat and Ibanez RG electrics, Yamaha electro-acoustic, throwaway nylon. |
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| 01:20.29 | nvz | abrotman: Takamine G-Series EG-240 RS Acoustic Electric |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | Guerin: i have 3 of those .. 1 electric .. 1 classical .. 1 regular 6str |
| 01:20.29 | resiak | abrotman: Oh, and does my double bass count for anything? |
| 01:20.29 | imchondee | ... in short .. you get a temperary mutile disk falur of several disks ...causuing the superblocks to be out of sync and you can't init your array. If using mdadm try: mdadm --asemble --force |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | resiak: no .. not in the slightest |
| 01:20.31 | abrotman | i was just thinking about getting a martin 12str |
| 01:20.33 | resiak | abrotman: As I expected. |
| 01:20.36 | Guerin | doublebass pwns |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | but i don't know anyone who has one |
| 01:20.41 | resiak | Guerin: It does. |
| 01:20.57 | resiak | Guerin: Double bass with either a C-extension or a fifth string pwns more. |
| 01:21.10 | nvz | I traded my Squire S65 for the Takamine G-Series EG-240 RS Acoustic-Electric |
| 01:21.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:21.19 | abrotman | bah .. i've got 3 guitars, 2 saxes, and a clarinet |
| 01:21.34 | resiak | I think we may have had this conversation before. |
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| 01:21.42 | abrotman | probably in -ot :) |
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| 01:21.52 | nvz | I sold my trumpet |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | too many band camp jokes? |
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| 01:23.34 | abrotman | i just wish i could find a place that has any martin 12strings in stock |
| 01:23.50 | Area-51 | i love you |
| 01:24.18 | nvz | abrotman: musicians-friend.com? |
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| 01:24.48 | abrotman | Area-51: who? |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | nvz: i meant a B&M store |
| 01:25.00 | nvz | I wish I could find a decent music store to buy strings and shit from.. this guy tried to sell me like $30 set of strings for my acoustic |
| 01:25.11 | Area-51 | abrotman: anyone who wants it |
| 01:25.40 | abrotman | nvz: i've bought strings online because the local sam ash stopped selling my brand in 12gauge |
| 01:25.52 | abrotman | or was that 10 guage ... probably both |
| 01:26.09 | nvz | I tune my guitar ALOT, I play it in alot of different tunings, and my strings are bound to break, I am not going to pay like $30 a set for em |
| 01:26.28 | abrotman | i paid 30$ for classical strings once .. they were really nice though |
| 01:26.40 | resiak | nvz: What is your all-time favourite tuning? |
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| 01:27.34 | Area-51 | dpkg: i love you |
| 01:27.34 | dpkg | I love you too, area-51. |
| 01:27.36 | nvz | resiak: well depends, I generally play in standard because its what I know chords in without having to think about it.. but when I am lazy I tune wholetone cause I can play something that sounds good without having to try hard |
| 01:27.39 | Area-51 | holy shit... |
| 01:27.54 | Area-51 | definetly wasnt expecting that one :P |
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| 01:28.00 | abrotman | !love Area-51 |
| 01:28.13 | Area-51 | lol |
| 01:28.14 | Area-51 | nice |
| 01:28.29 | Area-51 | im getting fscked by a #debian bot :P |
| 01:28.31 | imchondee | UnNamed if i run mkraid -fore /dev/md0 will that wipe my drive or fix the superblocks |
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| 01:28.41 | Area-51 | oh well, more than ive gotten in past 5 years :P |
| 01:28.53 | Guerin | !pity Area-51 |
| 01:28.54 | dpkg | I pity da fool Area-51! |
| 01:29.01 | Area-51 | ouch :P |
| 01:29.04 | imchondee | also mdadm keeps ciomplaining that the raid is in in a config file |
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| 01:29.22 | resiak | nvz: Yeah. I'm something of an entire-guitar-shifted-down whore... My acoustic is currently C#F#BEG#C#. |
| 01:29.30 | nvz | resiak: heh |
| 01:29.42 | abrotman | resiak: are you austrian ? |
| 01:29.43 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:29.51 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:29.52 | resiak | abrotman: I'm sorry?! |
| 01:29.56 | nvz | resiak: yeah I once got into this mode I was just going to turn the knobs until I liked the way it sounded. |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | resiak: it was a joke .. |
| 01:30.01 | Guerin | resiak: you don't have to be sorry. |
| 01:30.03 | abrotman | !damn abrotman's humor |
| 01:30.08 | resiak | abrotman: I realised that bit, but I didn't get it... |
| 01:30.10 | UnNamed | imchondee: sounds likes destroy |
| 01:30.28 | resiak | !damn resiak's lack of comprehension |
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| 01:30.37 | nvz | resiak: I dont sit dont and just study or play much.. I play most if I hear something I think I can play, or want to learn a song or play along with a song. |
| 01:30.38 | Guerin | resiak: hint: wilhelm. |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | resiak: i guess it was more of an eastern european thing .. don't E Europeans tend to tune non-standard? |
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| 01:31.09 | kensai | LOL dpkg is so Kool |
| 01:31.13 | jms | is there a debian package i can use to copy files from a movie dvd to my hard drive? |
| 01:31.23 | resiak | nvz: Same here. That's partly the point of C#... |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | DM12 or D12X1 .... |
| 01:31.43 | resiak | abrotman: Fair enough; I have no idea. |
| 01:31.48 | Area-51 | kensai: yes, dpkg is god... |
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| 01:31.54 | abrotman | or i could get a new amp .. or the fender i wanted |
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| 01:34.25 | nvz | resiak: yeah most songs I've learned were in EADGBE or DADGBE, but I've played with others like DbAbDbGbEb and EBEG#BE or other |
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| 01:35.01 | abrotman | nvz: you need to learn more 80s rock .. all 1/2 step down |
| 01:35.03 | resiak | nvz: I guess you're not such a fan of A Perfect Circle as I :) |
| 01:35.34 | nvz | resiak: not really.. havent listened to it much yet. I like tool |
| 01:35.57 | resiak | nvz: If you invert what you just said, you get me. :) |
| 01:36.00 | Guerin | tool > apc |
| 01:36.13 | Guerin | apc is boring goth-pop by comparison |
| 01:36.18 | resiak | Guerin: So I am told, but I have yet to listen to the former enough. |
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| 01:36.52 | nvz | abrotman: well actually when I first started learning I chose easy stuff and each time I would pickup a new song I would try learn something new. I would learn palm muting, or techniques each time |
| 01:36.55 | Guerin | man, tool are awesome. |
| 01:37.22 | nvz | abrotman: I think I started with songs like Jewel or stuff where it was just a guitar and singing where I could hear it and learn it easily |
| 01:37.44 | nvz | abrotman: people who have a band and dont have to sing and play make it more complicated for a beginner |
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| 01:38.06 | Guerin | apc SHOULD be good, since they have keenan and iha and someone else important, but they just can't seem to pull it out, and always sound like a watered-down tool wannabe band |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | bah .. if either of you can play like croce ... then i will bow to you :) |
| 01:38.47 | extranop | can someone take a look at my dmesg errors? |
| 01:38.58 | extranop | in flood |
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| 01:39.01 | nvz | I can play some Incubus, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, I started learning Summertime by Janis Joplin, but only got the intro and the first few appreggios before she starts wailing |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | extranop: lets see it |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | not here .. #flood |
| 01:39.18 | extranop | abrotman: okay |
| 01:39.26 | nvz | I've been working a long time trying to learn every part to "Hey Baby" |
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| 01:39.47 | resiak | Guerin: Some would say that they _are_... :) |
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| 01:40.01 | nvz | I like any version, but the Pearl Jam & Soundgarden version better than Hendrix's version cause its a little heavier |
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| 01:40.16 | baf|away | whats the apt-get syntax to only remove the sources? |
| 01:40.20 | abrotman | extranop: that's it? |
| 01:40.21 | ff352 | fd |
| 01:40.23 | ff352 | hgj |
| 01:40.28 | extranop | abrotman: ya |
| 01:40.38 | abrotman | extranop: so what's the problem? |
| 01:40.47 | nvz | I'd like to learn to play Pali Gap too, but I dont think it will happen |
| 01:41.14 | extranop | abrotman: I suspect that has something to do with my video problems ( segfaults in games) |
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| 01:41.38 | extranop | abrotman: and below that, I dunno, they're just errors |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | extranop: ask #nvidia if they have any idea ... |
| 01:42.06 | abrotman | or stop playing games :) |
| 01:42.20 | extranop | abrotman: ; ) thank you |
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| 01:42.50 | abrotman | nvz: I'd Love to Change the World is fun to play |
| 01:43.03 | carnage | anyone know what LFE stands for in a mixer? |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | !lfe |
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| 01:44.02 | sussudio | !fgi carnage lfe mixer |
| 01:44.05 | nvz | abrotman: man when I was in school I thought I could actually read music.. and my teacher would tell me it was right.. but when I look at Hendrix Sheet music its like heiroglyphics to me |
| 01:44.05 | dpkg | carnage: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=lfe mixer |
| 01:44.33 | abrotman | nvz: sadly .. i learned music on sax .. so chords are a bit fuzzy for me |
| 01:44.45 | directhex | carnage, low frequency effects, i.e. the .1 in 5.1 |
| 01:44.47 | sussudio | abrotman: it's on the freaking alsa siote. |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | esp bass clef |
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| 01:45.38 | Guerin | I learnt violin when I was 7 or so, and I could read music |
| 01:45.44 | nvz | abrotman: I probably learned origionally either on a keyboard or some kid toy like some bells or something.. but then in General Music they made us play them little Recorders.. they were annoying little whistles |
| 01:45.46 | meff | i'm using a 2.6 kernel and have installed libc6-i686 .. an ldd on my java binary shows that its using libs in /lib/tls/i686 .. does this mean it's using the nptl? |
| 01:45.49 | resiak | abrotman: It's more important to be able to read music than to read chords, I always think. I can now read bass clef fairly well, but music in the treble clef on guitar is fairly alien to me. |
| 01:45.50 | scarynetworkguy | Of course Hendrix is a god so that's not really too surprising. |
| 01:45.54 | Guerin | but I've since forgotten how, and now I suck at all instruments there are |
| 01:46.00 | extranop | abrotman: no one's moving in #nvidia |
| 01:46.05 | abrotman | resiak: i'm opposite |
| 01:46.08 | abrotman | extranop: piav |
| 01:46.20 | jharrison | abrotman: what apt sources are you using |
| 01:46.24 | jharrison | abrotman: mirrors |
| 01:46.27 | nvz | abrotman: in Concert band I played the Tuba, but when he didnt want me to play the trumpet when it came time to do marching band I told him he can shove that susaphone up his ass |
| 01:46.32 | abrotman | jharrison: main(us) mirrors |
| 01:46.46 | jharrison | abrotman: debian.us? |
| 01:46.48 | extranop | abrotman: "piav"? |
| 01:46.49 | resiak | abrotman: I reckon that you can pick up the ideas of chords from "real" music more easily than the reverse. |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | !piav |
| 01:47.04 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 01:47.24 | jharrison | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:47.26 | abrotman | resiak: i can read chords(i mean chords notated in music) .. and regular music |
| 01:47.36 | abrotman | it's just the bass clef that's tricky |
| 01:47.57 | resiak | abrotman: My bad, I misunderstood. I though that you were saying you found chord symbols (and bass clef) hard to read. |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | resiak: by chord symbols you mean the fingering layout> |
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| 01:48.18 | abrotman | resiak: by chord symbols you mean the fingering layout>? |
| 01:48.20 | abrotman | ?? |
| 01:48.44 | resiak | abrotman: No, I mean Gmin7(b5), etc. |
| 01:48.50 | abrotman | oh .. that's fine |
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| 01:48.54 | abrotman | i can read those |
| 01:48.57 | resiak | abrotman: Fair enough. |
| 01:48.59 | jetscreamer | guitune? |
| 01:49.04 | resiak | abrotman: I totally misunderstood. |
| 01:49.12 | Guerin | guitune is leet |
| 01:49.15 | abrotman | i mean a double staffed sheet music |
| 01:50.23 | sussudio | in soviet russia, hand slaps you? |
| 01:50.28 | jetscreamer | i havent tried it out yet |
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| 01:50.53 | wols | extranop: does it segfault the game directly when you start or only after a bit of time? |
| 01:51.07 | extranop | there's an intro movie then seggy |
| 01:51.15 | extranop | within the intro movie a few secs |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | extranop: GL or SDL or something else? |
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| 01:52.08 | extranop | abrotman: pretty sure GL, for Unreal Tournamnent (not 2k4) |
| 01:52.13 | jetscreamer | hey why are font different looking, depending on if i use gdm or startx |
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| 01:53.14 | extranop | extranop: I do have direct rendering for my nvidia driver on the desktop |
| 01:53.22 | extranop | abrotman: I do have direct rendering for my nvidia driver on the desktop |
| 01:54.07 | abrotman | extranop: you really should ask #nvidia .. they know much more |
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| 01:54.29 | extranop | abrotman: and actuall there is a little more error |
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| 01:54.47 | extranop | abrotman: piav... |
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| 01:54.50 | imchondee | simonrvn: YES. I saved the data! |
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| 01:55.19 | glick | excuse me, can anyone explain to me exactly what kernel premption is/means? |
| 01:55.29 | imchondee | for the record: mkraid --really-force /dev/md0 will NOT kill your data pending your /etc/raidtab is 100% correct |
| 01:55.39 | imchondee | thought it does say it will |
| 01:55.46 | abrotman | !kernel preempt |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | !kpreempt |
| 01:55.57 | dpkg | hmm... kpreempt is at kpreempt.sourceforge.net |
| 01:55.59 | abrotman | grr |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | !empty fridge syndrome |
| 01:56.09 | dpkg | from memory, empty fridge syndrome is GET UP OFF YOUR LAZY BUTT, AND GET A JOB! |
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| 01:56.58 | Guerin | hehe |
| 01:57.20 | Nezz | !beer abrotman |
| 01:57.33 | imchondee | ok..time for a beer! |
| 01:57.34 | UdontKnow | hmmm, guinness |
| 01:57.47 | imchondee | UdontKnow Howd you guess? <LOL> |
| 01:57.50 | UdontKnow | too bad it costs like R$ 10-12 a can here |
| 01:57.56 | imchondee | lol |
| 01:57.56 | UdontKnow | :( |
| 01:58.00 | imchondee | ok..I am gonna go now...l8rs |
| 01:58.01 | abrotman | is that a rupee? |
| 01:58.17 | UdontKnow | when regular beer costs R$ 1-2 a can |
| 01:58.30 | abrotman | what's R$ ? |
| 01:58.39 | UdontKnow | Brazilian Real |
| 01:58.40 | Nezz | ^^^^ ya what he said.. |
| 01:58.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:58.49 | UdontKnow | R$ 1 = |
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| 01:59.05 | UdontKnow | R$ 1 =~ US 0.33 |
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| 01:59.41 | Nezz | How much the avg person make there??? |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | eep .. so guiness costs like 30$? |
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| 02:00.14 | nicktastic | Anyone know if there are rescue ISO images? My laptop is in distress and has no floppy drive :\ |
| 02:00.41 | zinx | the debian install CD works as a rescue disk, somewhat |
| 02:00.49 | ApEtc | nicktastic: The first install CD has some capability to do that |
| 02:00.49 | zinx | any of the live linux CDs will do quite well |
| 02:00.50 | abrotman | nicktastic: |
| 02:00.53 | abrotman | bah .. zinx beat me |
| 02:01.05 | xerophyte | I had dns server, the server is burned, and we dont have any zone files backedup, is there anyway we can get zone files off the internet ? |
| 02:01.12 | bloom | ls |
| 02:01.13 | zinx | they're generally packed full of utilities that are useful for rescuing downed system |
| 02:01.16 | zinx | s |
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| 02:01.32 | abrotman | xerophyte: use your backup |
| 02:01.45 | Kbyte | I must make a gpg subkey for encryption. What is better? a rsa or ergamal key? |
| 02:01.57 | xerophyte | abrotman, we dont have backup .. :( |
| 02:01.58 | nicktastic | I thought so too, but the pre-rc2 installer doesn't seem to have lilo or grub, and I need to restore the boot loader |
| 02:02.07 | abrotman | xerophyte: sorry .. it was a joke |
| 02:02.20 | abrotman | xerophyte: you mean you want IPs or timeouts? |
| 02:02.27 | nicktastic | At least, I can't run either from the command line, and the installation system makes you install the base system before installing the loader |
| 02:02.39 | xerophyte | abrotman, i want allt he domains hosted on the server .. its burned in fire accident |
| 02:02.42 | Vyrus | ok i have thunderbird and i have some emails that i backed up a while ago that i would like to put back into thunerbird folders.. how do i do that ? |
| 02:02.43 | abrotman | xerophyte: and why did you only have 1 dns server? |
| 02:02.56 | abrotman | xerophyte: holy crap |
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| 02:02.59 | extranop | Flash does not play sounds on websites. This is a problem. |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | xerophyte: no backup dns server? |
| 02:03.18 | xerophyte | abrotman, its small server with around 150 small domains which host gaming fans sites |
| 02:03.31 | abrotman | xerophyte: that will teach you to smoke around servers :) |
| 02:03.40 | nvz | abrotman: you are so brown on my screen right now, its annoying |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | xerophyte: man dig .. it may have a way to do it |
| 02:03.49 | abrotman | nvz: i'm shit? |
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| 02:04.13 | Lusid | Anyone know of a way to make Postfix and Mailman work with virtual domains so I can do something like this "list@domain1.com" and "list@domain2.com" without creating a ton of aliases? I would still like to use the postfix Python script if possible. |
| 02:04.16 | nvz | abrotman: this is a new install, I just put scriptassist on, and /scriptassist install nickcolor.pl |
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| 02:04.27 | nvz | abrotman: doesnt have my normal colors for eveyone |
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| 02:04.42 | abrotman | nvz: can i be hot pink? |
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| 02:04.59 | abrotman | Lusid: ask #mailman or #postfix .. or both |
| 02:05.03 | cartel_ | apt where can i find profile.h |
| 02:05.05 | Lusid | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 02:05.16 | nvz | abrotman: heh, that used to be helix's color on my other hd |
| 02:05.17 | abrotman | !tell cartel_ about search |
| 02:05.23 | extranop | xmms freezes when I try to play music, what could be the problem? |
| 02:05.27 | abrotman | nvz: i like .. 336699 |
| 02:05.50 | nvz | abrotman: I thought IRSSI only showed like 16 colors |
| 02:06.10 | nvz | abrotman: I've been wondring if there was a way I could get more somehow for nick colors |
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| 02:08.14 | jsn | I want to recompile CVS to make the CVS directories into .CVS |
| 02:08.20 | jsn | Will this break any debian stuff? |
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| 02:09.19 | abrotman | jsn: use the debian source package |
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| 02:13.27 | coywolf | how to read the contents of .lib files? |
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| 02:13.32 | extranop | I have a sound is busy error, can someone take a look at it? I'm using ALSA with the 2.4.27-1 i386 kernel |
| 02:13.35 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 02:13.39 | findme | without WEP how can I secure my network ? |
| 02:13.47 | extranop | grendal_prime: in flood |
| 02:13.55 | findme | since one of the wireless cards that I bought don't support WEP yet |
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| 02:14.17 | grendal_prime | how dows one access an mass storage device... |
| 02:14.18 | fugit | findme: you could do mac based access |
| 02:14.23 | grendal_prime | like a webcam |
| 02:14.31 | grendal_prime | well actuall a digi cam |
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| 02:14.43 | grendal_prime | i use to simple connect to sd1 |
| 02:14.47 | orochimaru | what is the first place to put a script that needs o be executed as soon as posible in the boot process? like setting hdparm |
| 02:14.49 | grendal_prime | with fedor that is |
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| 02:15.08 | grendal_prime | hdparm.cong |
| 02:15.13 | grendal_prime | hdparm.conf |
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| 02:15.34 | abrotman | findme: limit it by MAC |
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| 02:15.53 | abrotman | findme: that won't encrypt .. but does only allow certain MAC addresses to connect to your router |
| 02:16.03 | orochimaru | grendal_prime: but i need to run other similar scrips too as soon as posible |
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| 02:16.14 | orochimaru | is rc.local the only place? |
| 02:16.34 | orochimaru | i mean an artificial rc.local |
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| 02:17.06 | findme | abrotman, cool any links ? |
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| 02:17.28 | PorscheBoy | fdg |
| 02:17.29 | PorscheBoy | dfg |
| 02:17.31 | abrotman | findme: i don't know what router you have |
| 02:17.41 | findme | abrotman, linksys |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | findme: check your manual |
| 02:18.09 | findme | abrotman, will do thanks for all the help. |
| 02:18.10 | wols | orochimaru: /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 02:18.14 | abrotman | !tell orochimaru about rc.local |
| 02:18.33 | abrotman | no ops in a while huh? |
| 02:18.33 | jsn | abrotman: does dpkg or any other fundamental debian thing use CVS, and could my recompilation screw it up? |
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| 02:18.47 | abrotman | jsn: not that i'm aware .. |
| 02:19.06 | jsn | thx |
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| 02:20.52 | abrotman | nvz: you there? |
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| 02:21.24 | orochimaru | abrotman: thanks for that tip |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | ravenqr: knock it off |
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| 02:21.37 | ravenqr | knock what off? |
| 02:21.54 | abrotman | ravenqr: you're also PorscheBoy and ff352 |
| 02:21.56 | orochimaru | abrotman: does anyone can run that command !tell? |
| 02:22.02 | abrotman | ravenqr: sorry .. you're not :) |
| 02:22.04 | daft | I just am the owner of a debian hurd/gnu system and i wonderd if i can use the normal apt sources from debian linux/gnu (i know this isnt realy the channel for it) |
| 02:22.06 | ravenqr | hehe ;) |
| 02:22.08 | ravenqr | np |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | ravenqr: it was very close |
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| 02:22.20 | ravenqr | lol :) |
| 02:22.32 | ravenqr | anybody in here running debian amd64? |
| 02:22.39 | sussudio | !irritate ravenqr |
| 02:22.39 | abrotman | #debian-amd64 |
| 02:22.39 | dpkg | ravenqr: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? |
| 02:22.42 | abrotman | lots of people there |
| 02:22.45 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:22.57 | ravenqr | abrotman: hehe i tried that ther's NOBODY in there lol |
| 02:23.00 | Wyzard | daft: Probably not, but aren't there separate sources for the Hurd port? |
| 02:23.00 | ravenqr | it's weird |
| 02:23.02 | abrotman | sussudio: how many times has that PorscheBoy IP logged in and spewed? |
| 02:23.05 | orochimaru | !tell orochimaru about rc.local |
| 02:23.17 | ravenqr | oh ok thereis now |
| 02:23.24 | abrotman | sussudio: i have 3 .. but i haven't been here that long |
| 02:23.38 | daft | Wyzard: cant find them |
| 02:24.01 | ravenqr | dpkg: what you need bro? |
| 02:24.02 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, ravenqr |
| 02:24.02 | sussudio | abrotman: wha? |
| 02:24.04 | ravenqr | i have cable |
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| 02:24.42 | trappist | what does it take to get flash working in mozilla-firefox? I installed flashplugin-nonfree and there are symlinks in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
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| 02:24.47 | abrotman | sussudio: h000f3d43838f.ne.client2.attbi.com ... someone there keeps joining and spewing |
| 02:25.05 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:25.15 | Guerin | awesome, someone fell for the !irritate |
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| 02:25.24 | sussudio | abrotman: no, that's just the retarded ne.client2.attbi.com troll |
| 02:25.34 | orochimaru | abrotman: is there a list about avaiable topics in !tell? |
| 02:25.35 | abrotman | so he's not blocked? |
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| 02:25.43 | sussudio | lemmesee. |
| 02:25.50 | abrotman | !tell orochimaru about your factoids |
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| 02:26.03 | abrotman | sussudio: or perhaps .. why isn't there one? |
| 02:26.10 | trappist | !tell trappist about your factoids |
| 02:26.45 | orochimaru | abrotman: lol , very cool, i will check them |
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| 02:27.02 | sussudio | abrotman: *shrug* |
| 02:27.20 | Guerin | dpkg, no, qotd21 is <reply> <sussudio> !irritate ravenqr <dpkg> ravenqr: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? <ravenqr> dpkg: what you need bro? <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, ravenqr <ravenqr> i have cable |
| 02:27.20 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 02:27.37 | Guerin | !qotdx =~ s/21 // |
| 02:27.37 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 02:27.38 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:27.57 | sussudio | !sing sunday |
| 02:27.57 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | i'm here! |
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| 02:28.55 | sussudio | ravenqr: in soviet russia, cable has you |
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| 02:30.45 | kingtrae1 | is there a package to get php in apache2 or is it built in? anybody know offhand? |
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| 02:31.27 | abrotman | !tell kingtrae1 about search |
| 02:31.55 | kingtrae1 | abrotman: how do I use search? |
| 02:32.01 | abrotman | kingtrae1: dpkg just told you |
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| 02:32.28 | SiliconViper | In a nutshell, 'apt-cache search <keyword> |
| 02:32.29 | SiliconViper | ' |
| 02:32.32 | trappist | dpkg is an ok bot |
| 02:32.32 | dpkg | trappist: I give up, what is it? |
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| 02:32.43 | trappist | but sometimes annoying |
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| 02:32.55 | abrotman | trappist: we like him |
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| 02:33.10 | SiliconViper | abrotman, agreed. dpkg is helpful. |
| 02:33.26 | trappist | I don't suppose there's a doc out there for people who are debian newbies but not linux newbies |
| 02:33.38 | kingtrae1 | abrotman: I've been searching for like 2 hours, that's why I asked if anyone knew offhand |
| 02:33.44 | trappist | coming from mandrake, things are going pretty smoothly, but I'm still getting stuck here and there |
| 02:33.59 | trappist | like a good faq |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | !tell trappist about refcard |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | kingtrae1: apt-cache search apache2 php |
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| 02:35.25 | abrotman | kingtrae1: find it? |
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| 02:35.32 | trappist | ok that's a weird issue that I'd thought was mandrake-specific - my cpu usage shoots to 100% when viewing a pdf with acroread-plugin |
| 02:35.41 | kingtrae1 | abrotman: yup thanks for the tip |
| 02:35.55 | kingtrae1 | abrotman: feel like a dork now |
| 02:35.56 | abrotman | trappist: try gpdf or xpdf |
| 02:36.02 | abrotman | kingtrae1: i am a dork :) |
| 02:36.20 | kingtrae1 | abrotman: I guess I am too :-) |
| 02:36.22 | trappist | I like xpdf ok |
| 02:36.24 | paspourtoi | trappist: acroread plugin sucks |
| 02:36.30 | trappist | just a little weird about acroread |
| 02:37.05 | trappist | this looks like an ok doc, but it looks geared toward *nix newbies with explanations of cat, cd, etc. |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | trappist: it has debian stuff also |
| 02:37.23 | trappist | some good stuff though |
| 02:37.24 | trappist | yeah |
| 02:37.42 | trappist | some stuff I'd been looking in the wrong man pages for |
| 02:37.43 | SiliconViper | skip the stuff you know, and read what you don't. |
| 02:37.47 | trappist | I didn't know there was an apt-file |
| 02:38.11 | abrotman | !tell trappist about search |
| 02:38.21 | trappist | I do know about apt-cache search :) |
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| 02:38.35 | SiliconViper | personally, I prefer gpdf to xpdf. Or if I'm bored, pdf2html |
| 02:38.39 | nvz | yee haw.. Kde pulls in a total of 300 packages from a fresh X setup.. my estimate of 400 was off a little |
| 02:38.46 | abrotman | trappist: it also tells you about apt-file |
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| 02:39.33 | Gnurdux | how do you add an unusual device to /dev? |
| 02:39.41 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: mknod |
| 02:39.41 | Gnurdux | with Sarge? |
| 02:39.43 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.44 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 02:39.47 | sussudio | err |
| 02:39.51 | Gnurdux | but it doesnt use static |
| 02:39.51 | nvz | sussudio: heh |
| 02:39.52 | Gnurdux | nodes |
| 02:39.56 | nvz | dumb ass |
| 02:40.02 | sussudio | -|stefan|- STOP SCREWING AROUND! |
| 02:40.04 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: What do you mean? |
| 02:40.15 | Gnurdux | i thought it used udev or something |
| 02:40.23 | sussudio | [|stefan| VERSION reply]: mIRC v6.16 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 02:40.24 | Gnurdux | cause my devices change each time I boot |
| 02:40.25 | sussudio | ? |
| 02:40.26 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: :/ |
| 02:40.30 | Gnurdux | i know its not devfs |
| 02:40.31 | zirikili | sussudio: 80's lover? |
| 02:40.34 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: udev is available, but it's not used by default, unless they've added it very recently |
| 02:40.40 | SiliconViper | You know what I miss most while using Gentoo? the ability to diable the non-free package lists. |
| 02:40.44 | Gnurdux | im using the testing version |
| 02:40.46 | Gnurdux | Sarge |
| 02:40.51 | sussudio | somehow this song is appropriate with dubya's second term |
| 02:41.20 | sussudio | |stefan|: test |
| 02:41.21 | ravenqr | SiliconViper: why'd you stop using gentoo btw? |
| 02:41.23 | Gnurdux | ok its not udev |
| 02:41.32 | Gnurdux | but why do my device nodes change at every boot? |
| 02:41.46 | Wyzard | I dunno, that sounds strange to me |
| 02:41.47 | abrotman | SiliconViper: you can disable non-free in debian |
| 02:41.59 | Wyzard | devfs could do that too, but I *know* that's not used by default |
| 02:42.04 | Gnurdux | when my kernel didnt have /dev/dsp support |
| 02:42.10 | Gnurdux | /dev/dsp dissapeared |
| 02:42.19 | Gnurdux | this was after I built my new kernel |
| 02:42.23 | sussudio | .mp3 |
| 02:42.29 | Wyzard | Maybe you compiled yourself a new kernel with devfs? |
| 02:42.40 | Gnurdux | it has devfs |
| 02:42.43 | SiliconViper | abrotman, yeah, I know. That's what I was saying I missed. |
| 02:42.44 | Gnurdux | but doesnt mount it |
| 02:42.48 | Gnurdux | and i dont either |
| 02:42.53 | Gnurdux | im not using devfs |
| 02:43.00 | SiliconViper | ravenqr, I am actually currently using Gentoo. |
| 02:43.00 | Gnurdux | but i can support it |
| 02:43.04 | jasonf | I know all the warnings from dpkg, etc, but in practice, how bad is SID? |
| 02:43.07 | nvz | sussudio: quit fuckin around. |
| 02:43.10 | ravenqr | ah |
| 02:43.11 | Wyzard | The kernel config for devfs has a "mount at boot" option which supersedes /etc/fstab... maybe you turned that on |
| 02:43.18 | abrotman | jasonf: it will make you cry .. about once a year :) |
| 02:43.18 | Gnurdux | i didnt |
| 02:43.21 | ravenqr | SiliconViper: which is faster for you? debian or gentoo? |
| 02:43.22 | Gnurdux | i made sure not too |
| 02:43.25 | jasonf | I'm a former gentoo ~x86 users ... is it any worse than that? |
| 02:43.29 | jasonf | abrotman: how bad == cry |
| 02:43.30 | Wyzard | though unless you have devfsd installed, you'd probably notice since all the device names would be different |
| 02:43.37 | FieldySnuts | badgers? |
| 02:43.38 | jasonf | abrotman: cry as in system broken until new package |
| 02:43.43 | abrotman | jasonf: really bad .. only about 2x in the last 5 years i know of |
| 02:43.44 | Gnurdux | ill try the static node |
| 02:43.46 | jasonf | abrotman: or cry as in lose all your data and reinstall |
| 02:43.49 | Wyzard | If you don't have devfs enabled and you're not using udev, I can't think of any reasons why the contents of /dev should be changing on you |
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| 02:43.51 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: appearently, yes. /ctcp |stefan| badger seems to do the trick. |
| 02:43.51 | Gnurdux | and see if it vanishes |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | jasonf: the worst was the broken PAM |
| 02:43.55 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 02:44.09 | jasonf | abrotman: ouch ... was that fixable via a livecd? |
| 02:44.18 | abrotman | jasonf: i don't remember .. it was a long time ago |
| 02:44.26 | jasonf | abrotman: I'm thinking about moving to it. |
| 02:44.31 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: he's replying with a notice, which is not very smart. if too many people /ctcp him, he gets kicked for flooding |
| 02:44.32 | ricochet | what is a good C IDE with integrated debugger? Anjuta is a little weird. |
| 02:44.33 | abrotman | jasonf: why? |
| 02:44.40 | abrotman | ricochet: anjuta |
| 02:44.41 | jasonf | abrotman: I'm itching for instability ;) I'm not used to having a system that's this far out of day |
| 02:44.50 | abrotman | jasonf: are you on woody or testing? |
| 02:44.54 | Wyzard | jasonf: I've been running sid full-time on my desktop system for 4 years and it's quite usable on the whole |
| 02:45.03 | jasonf | abrotman: I haven't run linux in 6 months, and I'm running packages that's older than what I used then |
| 02:45.06 | jasonf | abrotman: sarge |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | jasonf: also .. testing is in freeze right now .. so that's why it's out of date .. tehy are preparing for release |
| 02:45.12 | jasonf | Wyzard: that's what I wanted to hear |
| 02:45.18 | SiliconViper | ravenqr, Well, I did a Stage1 Gentoo install, and I'm noticing a few major differences. Installing and updating takes forever (source building side-effect), but with the right compile flags, I've got pretty decent performance. I like Debian better, but a Stage1 Gentoo install does run faster. |
| 02:45.29 | jasonf | SiliconViper: Gentoo has it's place. |
| 02:45.38 | SiliconViper | Assuming you compile with the right settings. |
| 02:45.45 | Wyzard | jasonf: With a bit of common sense, which I'm sure you've gained by running Gentoo with ~x86, you should be fine |
| 02:45.46 | jasonf | SiliconViper: It needs a configuration system like DEbian has after you apt-get a package |
| 02:45.53 | SiliconViper | jasonf, every distro has its place. |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | dunno . i still haven't heard a good compelling reason for gento |
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| 02:46.14 | abrotman | o |
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| 02:46.18 | jasonf | Wyzard: yeah ... I ran ~x86 + a few CVS ebuilds |
| 02:46.26 | nvz | sussudio: fuck of buggerer |
| 02:46.29 | nvz | heh |
| 02:46.29 | trappist | I tried gentoo... it's the only distro I actually hate |
| 02:46.32 | ravenqr | i'm running gentoo currently |
| 02:46.35 | jasonf | abrotman: Gentoo is the ultimate in customization, while still having a usable package management system |
| 02:46.39 | ravenqr | it's actually pretty nice |
| 02:46.39 | SDFH_Linux | having problems with realplayer |
| 02:46.42 | Guerin | peterS: ping |
| 02:46.51 | ravenqr | most stuff just "works" after compiling it |
| 02:46.52 | Wyzard | jasonf: The main thing to be aware of is that occasionally "apt-get dist-upgrade" will want to uninstall a large number of packages due to an incorrect dependency in a new package... when that happens, use a plain upgrade instead (so the broken new package gets held back) and the problem is usually resolved in a day or two |
| 02:46.55 | jasonf | abrotman: Gentoo is LFS with an easier way to upgrade everything |
| 02:46.57 | abrotman | jasonf: dunno .. debian is customizable enough .. i'm not sure what you think you can't customize in debian |
| 02:46.58 | SDFH_Linux | where am i suppose to install realplayer? |
| 02:47.08 | jasonf | Wyzard: that makes sense |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: you mean helixplayer? |
| 02:47.12 | FieldySnuts | into /dev/null |
| 02:47.18 | jasonf | abrotman: what I mean is Gentoo makes it hard ;) you edit config files by hand, etc |
| 02:47.18 | SDFH_Linux | either one |
| 02:47.19 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: you're not, you're supposed to use a real player, like mplayer. |
| 02:47.24 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: it has an installer that drops it in /usr/local/RealPlayer |
| 02:47.27 | SDFH_Linux | which one is better |
| 02:47.44 | SDFH_Linux | i just want to see streaming of rm files |
| 02:47.48 | FieldySnuts | the lame thing about helix player is that it does not play real formats. badgerwangs. |
| 02:47.51 | SDFH_Linux | dont care which one does it |
| 02:47.52 | jasonf | Wyzard: afayk, is there any package broken as such at the moment? |
| 02:48.01 | Wyzard | abrotman: USE flags, mostly... Debian has "variant" packages, such as exim-daemon-heavy vs. exim-daemon-light, which are the same software with different optional feature sets compiled... Gentoo lets you control that with finer granularity |
| 02:48.03 | jasonf | Wyzard: because I'm very tempted to dist-upgrade to sid right now |
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| 02:48.05 | SiliconViper | abrotman, My setup... Gnome 2.8 + Metacity + xchat + xmms + aterm + firefox + epsxe = <86MB RAM / 13% CPU on a Duron 1300. |
| 02:48.07 | SDFH_Linux | lets see if it is in /usr/local/ |
| 02:48.24 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: that is annoying |
| 02:48.24 | SDFH_Linux | nope |
| 02:48.37 | Wyzard | jasonf: Of the packages I have installed (GNOME, Mono, a bunch of development stuff, miscellaneous apps, a few games, etc.), nothing's broken |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | SiliconViper: 13%? |
| 02:48.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:48.43 | SiliconViper | Yeah. |
| 02:48.44 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: totally defeats the point. dummies. example of a company that Doesn't Get(TM) open source |
| 02:48.45 | jasonf | Wyzard: sounds good to me :) |
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| 02:48.56 | jasonf | Wyzard: what lines do you change in sources.list? |
| 02:48.58 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: in soviet russia it would play realmedia |
| 02:49.03 | FieldySnuts | coming from Real though, definately not surprised |
| 02:49.14 | Guerin | real == fake |
| 02:49.14 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: in soviet russia, real media plays YOU |
| 02:49.19 | Wyzard | jasonf: There was some breakage a few days ago when half of GNOME 2.8 went in but nautilus wasn't updated yet and the dist-upgraded wanted to remove most of GNOME... but that was resolved by the next day |
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| 02:49.23 | abrotman | SiliconViper: that should impress me? |
| 02:49.25 | SDFH_Linux | only reason i use realplayer is for one site |
| 02:49.26 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: no, that's the US. |
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| 02:49.31 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 02:49.33 | SDFH_Linux | if that site went to other format i would switch off it |
| 02:49.37 | abrotman | SiliconViper: if i wanted small/fast stuff ... i wouldn't use gnome to begin with |
| 02:49.37 | jasonf | Wyzard: do I just change "testing" to "SID" in my sources.list? |
| 02:49.50 | Wyzard | jasonf: It's "sid", lowercase... "unstable" works too; they're synonyms |
| 02:49.51 | Guerin | jasonf: don't. |
| 02:49.59 | abrotman | jasonf: to unstable |
| 02:50.04 | SiliconViper | abrotman, I don't know if it should be impressive to you, but it makes me happy, and that's what matters. ^_~ |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | Guerin: he's been warned |
| 02:50.20 | Guerin | abrotman: even so, the iyhtays rule applies. |
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| 02:50.35 | jasonf | Guerin: I've been warned, and I've survived running a system with nearly 1/3 CVS packages before (in gentoo) |
| 02:50.44 | abrotman | i think it would take me longer to figure out that acronym than to just type it out :) |
| 02:50.45 | jasonf | Guerin: what is iyhtays? |
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| 02:50.51 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:50.55 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 02:50.55 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 02:50.57 | abrotman | !iyhatys |
| 02:50.59 | abrotman | grr |
| 02:51.01 | jasonf | ah |
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| 02:51.26 | Wyzard | I don't think that's quite true |
| 02:51.29 | jlott | what's up with this? |
| 02:51.30 | jasonf | Guerin: well, the only thing I'm not 100% familar with is some debianisms, and I was just being lazy by asking instead of rtfm'ing :-/ |
| 02:51.34 | jlott | sushi: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 02:51.51 | Guerin | jasonf: fair play to you, then. |
| 02:51.52 | jlott | er. that should read "su" |
| 02:52.13 | abrotman | !tell jasonf about sid faq |
| 02:52.17 | jlott | is this some pam crap? |
| 02:52.18 | Wyzard | jlott: Misconfigured PAM maybe? (just a guess) |
| 02:52.26 | jlott | i'm new to debian |
| 02:52.28 | jasonf | thanks, abrotman |
| 02:52.28 | jlott | and pam |
| 02:52.32 | jeebes | I've been googling for a while for how to install DRI for my ati radeon 7500, but I most of what I find is for macs and laptop, would it be safe to a use a guide for doing it on mepis or is there a resource I don't know about? |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | jasonf: and your one free pass .. you will need BTS .. bugs.debian.org |
| 02:52.49 | jlott | how do I make this not happen anymore? |
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| 02:53.02 | jlott | it's cramping my style |
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| 02:53.16 | abrotman | jasonf: so if someone asks you if you've checked the BTS .. please please don't say "What's the bts" |
| 02:53.22 | jasonf | abrotman: I get the feeling the ruels for sid are quite similar to running bmg on gentoo (breakmygentoo) |
| 02:53.37 | jasonf | abrotman: if it's borken, find out why instead of complaining :) |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | jasonf: that's probably more like experimental :) |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | experimental has some seriously broken stuff seomtimes |
| 02:53.57 | SDFH_Linux | weird the plugins show up for realplayer |
| 02:54.04 | SDFH_Linux | in mozilla |
| 02:54.05 | nvz | jeebes: mepis is kind of OT here. you should be able to follow any howto on installing ati drivers on linux |
| 02:54.07 | SDFH_Linux | but no workie |
| 02:54.11 | jasonf | abrotman: there is no "experimental" with gentoo :) ~x86 + bmg + some cvs ebuilds is about as cutting edge as you can get |
| 02:54.13 | SDFH_Linux | what gives |
| 02:54.18 | SDFH_Linux | anyone know |
| 02:54.32 | SDFH_Linux | i installed it to /usr/local/RealPlayer |
| 02:54.34 | jeebes | I dont wanna talk about mepis, I just don't really understand the steps I need to install dri on my sarge box |
| 02:54.35 | SDFH_Linux | and nada |
| 02:54.35 | Wyzard | jasonf: Debian's "experimental" is roughtly analogous to Gentoo's concept of masked packages |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | !dri |
| 02:54.55 | dpkg | somebody said dri was Direct Rendering Infrastructure, now available in xfree86 4.0, see http://dri.sourceforge.net , or at #dri |
| 02:55.06 | jlott | anyone? anyone wanna take a shot at this? |
| 02:55.15 | ravenqr | how come debian doesn't use xorg yet? |
| 02:55.20 | SDFH_Linux | could it be that gxine is conflicting? |
| 02:55.25 | nvz | ravenqr: /topic |
| 02:55.37 | jasonf | Wyzard: well, I'm not horribly afraid. All my important info is on another partition, and if I break something, I can always reinstall :) I like living dangerously |
| 02:55.51 | Wyzard | jasonf: Then you'll do well :-) |
| 02:56.03 | nvz | ravenqr: debian is in the middle on focusing on the sarge release. which doesnt have xorg |
| 02:56.19 | abrotman | !bless jasonf |
| 02:56.19 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child jasonf, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:56.27 | jasonf | haha |
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| 02:56.35 | Wyzard | bah, he's ready |
| 02:56.35 | SiliconViper | jasonf: I haven't had much problems with my Debian/Unstable boxen. The occasional break here and there, but nothing serious. |
| 02:56.35 | jasonf | I gotta program that into genbot :) |
| 02:56.41 | jlott | man, pam sucks it. give me plain old MD5 shadow any day of the friggin week |
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| 02:57.01 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.02 | Wyzard | jlott: I've been using Debian for a total of about 7 years and I've never seen that problem |
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| 02:57.12 | SiliconViper | Sorry, typo. |
| 02:57.17 | jlott | im sure its pam |
| 02:57.25 | Wyzard | jlott: so I'd say the problem is most likely something specific to your system, and not PAM in general |
| 02:57.36 | Wyzard | jlott: a corrupted configuration file, maybe |
| 02:57.42 | SDFH_Linux | wtf realplayer wont start not even in root |
| 02:57.43 | jlott | i come from slack and have never gotten on the pam bandwagon |
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| 02:58.05 | Wyzard | That's nice |
| 02:58.24 | Wyzard | There are a great many Debian users who use PAM daily with no problems |
| 02:58.35 | mono__ | hi, i have mouted my ipod and now i am trying to sync with it and i get the msg that it is configured as readonly dir. any ideas how to mount it correctly as a user (not root) so i can use gtkpod ? |
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| 02:58.52 | SDFH_Linux | ok anyone help with realplayer |
| 02:58.55 | jlott | Wyzard: thats cool. however, i'm not one. |
| 02:58.56 | SDFH_Linux | i got nada |
| 02:59.12 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: i ran the installer .. it worked .. end of story |
| 02:59.18 | SDFH_Linux | not for me |
| 02:59.20 | _tweek | mono__: /etc/fstab add user |
| 02:59.22 | _tweek | users |
| 02:59.27 | Wyzard | mono__: I don't know what filesystem ipods use, but if it doesn't have Unix ownership and permissions data natively, you probably need to specify "uid", "gid", and "umask" mount options to tell the driver what ownership and permissions to emulate |
| 02:59.30 | SDFH_Linux | second debian install and no work |
| 02:59.39 | SDFH_Linux | it used to work on another debian install |
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| 02:59.47 | SDFH_Linux | maybe something conflicting with it |
| 02:59.57 | Wyzard | _tweek: That's for allowing users to mount the filesystem... separate issue from the permissions seen once it's mounted |
| 03:00.10 | _tweek | true true |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: try a strace |
| 03:00.38 | SDFH_Linux | that is a command? |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:00.58 | jorgp | is lists.debian.org down? |
| 03:00.59 | jasonf | SDFH_Linux: strace appbinary |
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| 03:01.04 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:01.04 | Justin | !tell SDFH_Linux about doesn't work |
| 03:01.07 | SDFH_Linux | let me try |
| 03:01.08 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: You'll need to install the "strace" package if you don't have it already |
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| 03:01.40 | mono__ | Wyzard, i succeeded in mounting my ipod as hfs but it is in readonly mode for my user. only root can access the ipod (using gtkpod) |
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| 03:01.53 | SDFH_Linux | strace is there |
| 03:02.04 | SDFH_Linux | but no strace appbinary |
| 03:02.12 | grave | hey, anyone can help, i want to change my kernel in debian sarge |
| 03:02.15 | SDFH_Linux | says command not found |
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| 03:02.32 | jasonf | abrotman: so let me go ahead and practice for when things break ... I'd be like "OMG MY D3Bi4Nz dones't WORK!!! HELP ME!!! AND I R RUNNING SAD" |
| 03:02.33 | Wyzard | mono__: The "mount" manpage doesn't have a section describing the mount options for HFS, so you'll have to look online for that info, I guess |
| 03:02.35 | jasonf | :) |
| 03:02.47 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 03:02.56 | abrotman | !hurry |
| 03:02.56 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | !annoy jasonf |
| 03:03.02 | hmakholm | grave: Either install one of the kernel-image-* packages or make a package yourself with kernel-image and kernel-source-* |
| 03:03.03 | dpkg | jasonf: CAN YOU SEARCH FOR ME????? |
| 03:03.10 | jasonf | !annoy dpkg |
| 03:03.11 | dpkg | dpkg: HOW TO THIS?????? |
| 03:03.14 | systems | wow, this room is busy |
| 03:03.34 | abrotman | systems: it's an illusion |
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| 03:03.37 | scarynetworkguy | !room |
| 03:03.37 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 03:03.48 | abrotman | !chanel |
| 03:03.48 | brluziuxi | ctcp brluziuxi ping |
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| 03:04.00 | kojack27__ | OIII |
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| 03:04.19 | helix | good god |
| 03:04.25 | Wyzard | hmakholm: I think you meant to say "with kernel-package", not "with kernel-image" |
| 03:04.33 | hmakholm | Yes. |
| 03:04.37 | abrotman | helix: can you maybe block that attbi address? |
| 03:04.44 | glick | hey if i enable framebuffer can is till get a boot logo in the kernel? |
| 03:04.47 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: simpsons bad! |
| 03:04.52 | mono_ | Wyzard, ok. thx |
| 03:05.08 | Wyzard | glick: I'm not sure what "is till" is supposed to mean, but yes, framebuffer consoles are how you get a boot logo |
| 03:05.08 | Muffie | Anyonw knows why EXIM4 gives me Unrouteable address to absolutely all address!?? |
| 03:05.19 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Word. |
| 03:05.34 | systems | okay, so i upgraded from woody to sarge, but now postgresql wont start, cause the dbs are in an old format or whatever, i dont really care about the dbs, i am only playin with PG discovering stuff, how can i loose the dbs and have a new clean start with PG, i tried remove and then installing again, didnt work, the dbs remained persistant |
| 03:05.50 | abrotman | systems: move them .. start postgres |
| 03:05.55 | abrotman | and it's lose |
| 03:06.23 | systems | can you be more specific, i am new with PG what files should i kill |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | where's my office? |
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| 03:06.59 | Wyzard | abrotman: If you don't care about the data, you could probably just delete the contents of /var/lib/postgres/data and then run the command to reinitialize that directory (don't remember offhand what it's called) |
| 03:07.02 | rich_ | Hi |
| 03:07.08 | trappist | ok I'm now in a 2.6 kernel, and my audigy drivers are loaded, and I've turned volume up with alsamixer and aumix, and xmms looks to be playing, but no sound |
| 03:07.11 | Muffie | hi abrotman |
| 03:07.14 | abrotman | Wyzard: dont' tell me |
| 03:07.16 | abrotman | Muffie: ? |
| 03:07.21 | SDFH_Linux | grr this thing still doesnt work |
| 03:07.23 | Wyzard | oops, sorry |
| 03:07.26 | trappist | speakers are plugged into the right hole(s) and turned on |
| 03:07.30 | systems | thanx wyzard |
| 03:07.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: i think if you just start pgsql .. it creates it |
| 03:07.32 | Muffie | abrotman, you was helping me earlier |
| 03:07.34 | systems | i will try that |
| 03:07.39 | Justin | !tell SDFH_Linux about doesn't work |
| 03:07.45 | alnr | how do i configure exim4 to relay to a remote domain, i get 'Mailing to remote domain not supported' i'm really stumped |
| 03:07.46 | Muffie | abrotman, do you knows why EXIM4 gives me Unrouteable address to absolutely all address!?? |
| 03:07.50 | Justin | trappist: most likely you still have the important volume all the way down |
| 03:07.53 | abrotman | Muffie: no .. #exim |
| 03:07.56 | jeebes | when I try to run make xconfig to install the 2.6 kernel it says Unable to find the QT installation. |
| 03:07.59 | abrotman | systems: i moved data to data.old |
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| 03:08.16 | Wyzard | jeebes: xconfig is a QT program, so it needs QT |
| 03:08.22 | jeebes | I have it |
| 03:08.26 | trappist | Justin: I went through everything on aumix and alsamixer and turned them up one at a time, waiting for a peep |
| 03:08.39 | abrotman | jeebes: do you ave libqt-dev ? |
| 03:08.41 | Wyzard | jeebes: You need the -dev package |
| 03:08.48 | jeebes | I'll try, thanks |
| 03:09.05 | trappist | Justin: in my experience with this card, I need 'volume' and 'pcm' |
| 03:09.08 | Justin | trappist: does that mean you turned one up, and all the other ones down, one at a time? |
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| 03:09.25 | trappist | Justin: no, they're all up now |
| 03:09.30 | jeebes | its called libqt3-dev now I think, I was missing it, thanks |
| 03:09.31 | SDFH_Linux | ok how do i check if something is conflictnig |
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| 03:09.41 | SDFH_Linux | because there is no way realplayer doesnt work |
| 03:09.45 | SDFH_Linux | this is so easy to install |
| 03:09.49 | SDFH_Linux | and nada |
| 03:09.53 | Justin | !tell SDFH_Linux about doesn't work |
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| 03:10.02 | SDFH_Linux | seriously |
| 03:10.04 | Wyzard | jeebes: In Debian, library packages contain just the shared library, for running programs that are already compiled... to compile new programs which use the library (which the kernel's xconfig does), you need the corresponding -dev package, which contains the headers |
| 03:10.05 | SDFH_Linux | this is bs |
| 03:10.22 | Anthro | How do I launch Internet Explorer with Wine? Yes, I know, it's awful. It's also necessary for some company intranet crap. |
| 03:10.29 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: you're just saying it doesn't work .. does it crash .. not play .. crash X? |
| 03:10.34 | FieldySnuts | @lart anth |
| 03:10.36 | toresbe- | Anthro: Are you sure? |
| 03:10.36 | FieldySnuts | ro. |
| 03:10.39 | SDFH_Linux | not even start up |
| 03:10.39 | abrotman | Anthro: #winehq |
| 03:10.44 | SDFH_Linux | it just sits on taskbar |
| 03:10.48 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: and strace says what? |
| 03:10.51 | toresbe- | Anthro: What is the problem? |
| 03:10.55 | SDFH_Linux | give me command again plz |
| 03:11.02 | jeebes | crossover office is really good for IE |
| 03:11.03 | abrotman | strac |
| 03:11.05 | abrotman | strace |
| 03:11.19 | SDFH_Linux | ok i got that installed |
| 03:11.25 | SDFH_Linux | and it says specify |
| 03:11.26 | abrotman | it would be like `strace /usr/local/RealPlayer/realplay` |
| 03:11.29 | Anthro | toresbe-: I just don't know what command to issue. And it's ActiveX crap that requires IE. |
| 03:11.30 | SDFH_Linux | k |
| 03:11.50 | toresbe- | Anthro: Ah, I see. Read the fine manual, and it will all be clear :) |
| 03:11.55 | Anthro | toresbe-: Wine works, and I've successfully run a Windows (well, DOS) program with it. |
| 03:12.09 | SDFH_Linux | ok see a bunch of stuff |
| 03:12.16 | Wyzard | Anthro: I don't think Wine comes with a ready-to-use "Run IE in Wine" command that someone can just tell you "oh, type such-and-such" |
| 03:12.16 | SDFH_Linux | now what am i looking for |
| 03:12.37 | grave | changing my 2.6.8-i386 kernel to 2.6.8-k7 can correct the driver of my nvidia video card? |
| 03:12.43 | Wyzard | Anthro: IE is very integrated with Windows, which means you'd probably need to copy a bunch of files out of a Windows installation to even have a chance of getting it to work |
| 03:13.10 | SDFH_Linux | all i see is a bunch of stuff |
| 03:13.17 | staniel | grave: whats going on with you nvidia card? |
| 03:13.20 | grave | or i can use my old one to correct that |
| 03:13.37 | jeebes | IE works perfectly and easily in crossover office, and it automatically downloads and installs it, though its not free |
| 03:13.42 | abrotman | Anthro: #winehq |
| 03:13.44 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: "a bunch of stuff" isn't very descriptive :-) |
| 03:13.54 | SDFH_Linux | well i would have to paste it |
| 03:13.54 | SDFH_Linux | dude |
| 03:13.59 | SDFH_Linux | its a bunch of stuff |
| 03:14.03 | SDFH_Linux | letters and numbers |
| 03:14.04 | SDFH_Linux | a lot |
| 03:14.12 | sussudio | !tell SDFH_Linux about enter |
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| 03:14.30 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: The contents of my IRC window is a lot of letters and numbers too :-) |
| 03:14.41 | SDFH_Linux | if you want pm and i cut and paste |
| 03:14.43 | SDFH_Linux | its a lot |
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| 03:15.04 | paspourtoi | !irritate SDFH_Linux |
| 03:15.05 | dpkg | SDFH_Linux: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
| 03:15.14 | Anthro | Wyzard: I have a Windows partition. |
| 03:15.21 | Anthro | abrotman: Okay, okay. |
| 03:16.00 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: use #flood |
| 03:16.07 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:16.07 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. |
| 03:16.16 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 03:16.30 | stew | wheeeee |
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| 03:16.49 | orochimaru | !tell orochimaru about rcS.d |
| 03:17.10 | abrotman | no .. |
| 03:17.17 | abrotman | !tell orochimaru about rc.local |
| 03:17.20 | abrotman | and use rcS.d |
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| 03:17.53 | SDFH_Linux | so what i do now |
| 03:18.03 | spilo | hello guys... How's it going? |
| 03:18.42 | Pakal | need I the AGP and DRI kernel support if I wanted install an Nvidia Geforce2 card with the nvidia drivers? |
| 03:18.51 | sussudio | Pakal: badgers |
| 03:19.05 | angelbar | what programs do you recommend for configure dual head/xinerama (radeon 750 and 3dfx vodoo3)? |
| 03:19.05 | jasonf | Pakal: install the AGPGart driver for your mobo |
| 03:19.07 | Wyzard | Pakal: You need AGP, but not DRI -- the nvidia kernel module provides its own equivalent functionality |
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| 03:19.35 | stew | sussudio: why does debstats always think i'm sad? |
| 03:19.42 | sussudio | angelbar: mushroom, snake |
| 03:19.46 | stew | sussudio: i swear i never use unhappy faces, but i'm always in there |
| 03:19.47 | spilo | every time something goes wrong.. like I hit backspace when there nothing is written in terminal computer gives a loud beep.. is there a way to turn this off? |
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| 03:20.04 | sussudio | spilo: scissors |
| 03:20.10 | Pakal | ok, thanks |
| 03:20.11 | Wyzard | spilo: setterm -bfreq 0 |
| 03:20.11 | FieldySnuts | @lart spilo |
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| 03:20.14 | stew | spilo: in x? or in console? |
| 03:20.19 | Wyzard | spilo: Put it in a startup script somewhere |
| 03:20.27 | Anthro | Okay, simpler question. What do I have to do to get my locate database to include /mnt/win, which is my NTFS partition (and is mounted read-only)? |
| 03:20.35 | spilo | in x |
| 03:20.38 | spilo | and in console too |
| 03:20.39 | jeebes | so I'm trying to use make xconfig in a root terminal in KDE, but kde wont allow root to run graphical programs anymore... |
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| 03:21.03 | jeebes | is there a way to specify the display ? |
| 03:21.12 | Wyzard | jeebes: You can remedy that with xauth (read the manpage), and it's not KDE's fault... but it's easier to just run menuconfig |
| 03:21.17 | stew | spilo: the easiest is probably to disconnect the speaker |
| 03:21.33 | jeebes | thanks |
| 03:21.34 | lovebug | spilo: lsmod | grep pcspkr if its there, unload it |
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| 03:21.42 | jeebes | menuconfig does the same thing? |
| 03:21.51 | abrotman | !beep |
| 03:21.51 | dpkg | methinks beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G |
| 03:21.53 | Wyzard | jeebes: yes, but with a curses-based interface |
| 03:21.53 | abrotman | grr |
| 03:22.00 | Wyzard | jeebes: (you need libncurses5-dev installed btw) |
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| 03:22.19 | jeebes | heh, I wish someone would have said that before I installed 50 megs of qt libraries to use xconfig |
| 03:22.44 | Wyzard | jeebes: For getting rid of packages you don't need anymore, debfoster is your friend :-) |
| 03:22.51 | jeebes | hmm |
| 03:23.03 | dob | hi, i have 2 version of the same package in apt-cache, how can i tell to apt to install a specific version ? it is not a package from testing or unstable |
| 03:23.09 | abrotman | jeebes: you should have asked |
| 03:23.12 | htaccess | is there an /etc/init.d script template/example somewhere that i can modify? |
| 03:23.14 | abrotman | !tell jeebes about kp |
| 03:23.21 | Wyzard | dob: I believe you can say "apt-get install <package>=<version>" |
| 03:23.31 | jeebes | ? |
| 03:23.36 | spilo | thanks guys |
| 03:23.45 | Wyzard | dob: or, ask dpkg about pinning |
| 03:23.50 | jasonf | is there an X (pref. gtk) version of aptitiude? |
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| 03:24.10 | paspourtoi | jasonf: synaptic |
| 03:24.37 | stew | htaccess: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 03:24.42 | jeebes | does apt-get remove leave things behind |
| 03:24.43 | Wyzard | jasonf: I just use apt-get and debfoster... that way I can maintain my system without needing X |
| 03:24.44 | jasonf | paspourtoi: is it better than the apt-rpm port of it? I remember using that, and there was much to be desired |
| 03:24.48 | jeebes | if I just remove the qt-dev stuff |
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| 03:25.04 | Wyzard | jasonf: (debfoster is a bit like a combination of Gentoo's "world" file and "emerge depclean") |
| 03:25.07 | dob | Wyzard: ok thanks |
| 03:25.08 | wols | jasonf: it leaves config files behind yes. you can add "--purge" to remove them also |
| 03:25.08 | jasonf | Wyzard: Well, I'm mainly looking for an easy way to browse and install cool packages :) |
| 03:25.17 | paspourtoi | jasonf: never used the port so I can't answer |
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| 03:25.23 | wols | erm, jeebes |
| 03:25.35 | FieldySnuts | @stfu wols |
| 03:25.38 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP wols! |
| 03:25.41 | Wyzard | jasonf: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ for browsing |
| 03:25.47 | Genixpro | How do i make a bootdisc to boot debian that is on a usb memory drive |
| 03:25.51 | jms | is there a debian package i can use to copy files from a movie dvd to my hard drive? |
| 03:25.52 | wols | ? |
| 03:26.03 | Justin | !tell jms about search |
| 03:26.19 | Wyzard | jms: someone recently told me mplayer can be made to do that, but I don't remember offhand how |
| 03:26.25 | htaccess | stew: thanks |
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| 03:27.27 | spilo | "setterm -bfreq 0" did not help beep.. |
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| 03:27.44 | Wyzard | spilo: That's only for the console... won't work in X |
| 03:27.55 | zinx | you can turn down the volume in X |
| 03:27.55 | Justin | spilo: http://www.google.com/search?q=bash+disable+beep |
| 03:27.55 | Wyzard | spilo: In X, it's application-specific |
| 03:28.00 | Justin | ffs doesn't anyone know how to use google |
| 03:28.02 | sussudio | in soviet russia, beep disables you |
| 03:28.16 | zinx | Wyzard: no it's not.. not unless the app does something really stupid to beep |
| 03:28.31 | Genixpro | whats the command to boot /dev/sda, litteraly load it as a kernel and run it, |
| 03:28.32 | FieldySnuts | in soviet russia, you get beeped |
| 03:28.50 | cafuego | in soviet russia, cafuego has you shot |
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| 03:29.18 | spilo | I see, thanks |
| 03:29.25 | Wyzard | gen: It'd be a bootloader configuration, not a command to run |
| 03:29.28 | Wyzard | oops |
| 03:29.31 | Wyzard | Genixpro: ^^^ |
| 03:29.57 | Genixpro | i need a bootloader for a floppy, though. i cant find one |
| 03:30.07 | paspourtoi | in soviet russia, ancient /. jokes are banned |
| 03:30.15 | Wyzard | Why do you have a kernel on a raw disk device? |
| 03:30.19 | cafuego | paspourtoi: don't tempt me |
| 03:30.34 | SDFH_Linux | maybe realplayer no work because of smp kernel? |
| 03:30.38 | SDFH_Linux | is this possible? |
| 03:30.45 | cafuego | Wyzard: it's an easy way to boot a system off an activated swap partition :-) |
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| 03:31.37 | Wyzard | cafuego: If you have kernel in the place where a partition table would go, you don't have any swap partitions, or any partitions at all for that matter... |
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| 03:32.22 | thully | hello - I'm having a problem building the kernel-headers package |
| 03:32.44 | abrotman | you can buld headers? |
| 03:32.45 | cafuego | Wyzard: Well no, if you dump it on a raw disk as opposed to a raw partition, you won't (it'll still boot, tho) |
| 03:33.01 | thully | I'm building it from customized source (not debian's source) using make-kpkg kernel-headers |
| 03:33.03 | Wyzard | thully: You're trying to build a kernel-headers package using a source tree and make-kpkg? Or you're trying to build a module using a kernel-headers tree? |
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| 03:33.15 | thully | I'm trying to build kernel-headers |
| 03:33.26 | Wyzard | And what happens when you try? |
| 03:33.34 | carsonc | Does it explode? |
| 03:33.41 | thully | My problem is: I don't get as good of a headers package as the normal debian kernel-headers package |
| 03:33.47 | dob | i have to install some packages from backports.org , these packages require to update debconf too, it is a bad idea to do that ? can i have some problem upgrading debconf? |
| 03:33.58 | Wyzard | "as good" ? |
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| 03:34.13 | thully | I only have a few files under /usr/src/kernel-headers-* - include and a few others |
| 03:34.17 | cafuego | thully: It doesn't matter |
| 03:34.19 | Wyzard | hmm |
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| 03:34.29 | thully | I don't have all the symlinks etc that are in for the debian version |
| 03:34.38 | Wyzard | In that case, I don't know... I just use my kernel-source tree for compiling modules so I've never needed the kernel-headers package |
| 03:34.44 | cafuego | thully: If you have a customised source tree, use THAT to build additional modules for it. No kernel-headers needed. |
| 03:34.51 | SDFH_Linux | cant believe realplayer doesnt work |
| 03:35.09 | Justin | SDFH_Linux: you already said that |
| 03:35.13 | spilo | guys.. since I have installed Debian.. My computer clock has gone crazy... I am using Gnome desktop.. I might have not configured it right while install but even now.. though I change the time After I reboot I have wrong time again.. It show time 5 hours earlyer.. any advise? |
| 03:35.19 | Wyzard | SDFH_Linux: Last time I used realplayer was several years ago... it sucks anyway; use something else, like mplayer |
| 03:35.26 | thully | This is the whole contents of my /usr/src/kernel-headers-<version> |
| 03:35.29 | paspourtoi | me's family reports cafuego to the International Court of Justice in the Hague for war crimes... |
| 03:35.30 | thully | Documentation Makefile include kernel-headers.revision |
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| 03:35.45 | Wyzard | spilo: Wrong timezone maybe? Or you told it your system clock is in UTC when it's actually in local time? |
| 03:35.53 | Justin | thully: what do you expect to be in there? |
| 03:35.58 | SDFH_Linux | i am going to have to wyzard because this |
| 03:36.05 | SDFH_Linux | is crap |
| 03:36.06 | jeebes | so while I'm in menuconfig if I want to be able to have encrypted home directory do I configure something? |
| 03:36.09 | thully | There should be symlinks to a few things |
| 03:36.15 | cafuego | thully: Yes, that should only contain a set of header files in the include dir. |
| 03:36.28 | thully | Check the pure debian kernel headers directory |
| 03:36.30 | ecliptik | I have a laptop using X at 800x600, but when I try and run something in fullscreen (ie frozenbubble or doom legacy) the screen locks and slowly starts to turn a bright white. How can I get apps to run in fullscreen? |
| 03:36.43 | thully | There are a few symlinks that enable compiling drivers |
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| 03:36.56 | cafuego | thully: ANyway, like I said, if you have a source tree, you don't NEED a kernel-headers package. |
| 03:36.58 | sussudio | !8ball can the simpsons get any lamer? |
| 03:36.59 | dpkg | I'm sure of it. |
| 03:37.01 | jasonf | SiliconViper: is there an easy way to exclude one package from an upgrade, in case of bad md5sum on download |
| 03:37.06 | thully | I need this for a custom install CD that has no room for a source package |
| 03:37.12 | Wyzard | jeebes: There's no built-in kernel facility for encrypted home directories... there are a few apps for doing it, I think, so find the one you want and read its docs to see if there are any particular needs in the kernel config. |
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| 03:37.32 | thully | So just using the source is not an option |
| 03:37.40 | spilo | I live in Toronto, Canada.. and it sayes in time zone America, Toronto.. that should be right.. right? |
| 03:37.41 | grumbel | how can I let debian write the XF86config file? I did a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86', but that didn't touch the XF86Config |
| 03:37.42 | Wyzard | jasonf: I've seen maybe one bad md5sum in my life... just delete the file from /var/cache/apt/archives and let apt download it again |
| 03:37.44 | jeebes | k, thanks |
| 03:37.45 | SDFH_Linux | anyone have good deb server for mplayer and its codecs |
| 03:37.56 | thully | I need the headers to be able to compile drivers, like the pure debian headers file |
| 03:37.56 | Justin | SDFH_Linux: www.google.com |
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| 03:38.08 | Wyzard | !tell SDFH_Linux about marillat |
| 03:38.08 | cafuego | grumbel: Open the XF86Config-4 file and read the note about the md5sum |
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| 03:38.25 | Justin | thully: you said that already, and cafuego already told you twice that you don't |
| 03:38.35 | cafuego | thully: Why wouls the source not fit onto the cd? It's not big or antyhing |
| 03:38.37 | spilo | but there are several torontos in US too.. what do I do I wonder... |
| 03:38.55 | thully | because it is a live CD - has no room for source |
| 03:39.31 | Wyzard | thully: You only need kernel-headers when you don't have the source tree itself |
| 03:39.31 | thully | I'm actually working w/Kano on Kanotix - he can't fit source on the CD, but has headers |
| 03:39.31 | cafuego | thully: Uh, it is just me or is compiling odules on a livecd a bit useless? |
| 03:39.31 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:39.42 | cafuego | thully: So you're not even using debian? Go away! |
| 03:39.42 | thully | I kind of wanted it for HSF winmodem drivers |
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| 03:39.57 | sussudio | in soviet russia, winmodems are still shit |
| 03:40.18 | Wyzard | thully: Yeah, but once you reboot, the driver is gone and you have to compile it again... why not just compile the driver yourself and put it on the CD? |
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| 03:40.28 | thully | Licensing |
| 03:40.36 | Wyzard | ah... hehe |
| 03:40.46 | cafuego | thully: Stuff the licensing and do it anyway |
| 03:42.14 | jeebes | when I'm doing menuconfig is there anything I'm supposed to do if I wanna install DRI video drivers |
| 03:42.28 | jasonf | is there an equivalent think to masking pacakges (in gentoo) in debian? |
| 03:42.29 | Wyzard | jeebes: There's a DRI option in there somewhere that you'd need to turn on, I guess |
| 03:42.33 | Justin | jeebes: why are you compiling a kernel |
| 03:42.52 | Justin | !tell jasonf about hold |
| 03:43.17 | jeebes | I'm trying to use 2.6 kernel |
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| 03:43.29 | Justin | jeebes: why are you trying to use a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:43.39 | jeebes | if I just wanted to install DRI without using a new kernel what would i do |
| 03:43.51 | Wyzard | jeebes: There are precompiled packages of 2.6 kernels |
| 03:43.52 | Justin | jeebes: why do you think you need to install dri |
| 03:44.01 | Justin | !wayttd jeebes |
| 03:44.02 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jeebes? |
| 03:44.06 | stew | jeebes: why not just apt-get a kernel-image? |
| 03:44.11 | jeebes | because my video acceletaion for my radeon card doens't work |
| 03:44.25 | jasonf | Justin: that doesn't exactly do what I want |
| 03:44.30 | jeebes | ahhh!, I have no idea what I'm doing, I admit it, I just want my acceration to work |
| 03:44.34 | jasonf | Justin: I need something more like a upgrade-stopper |
| 03:44.51 | Wyzard | thully: When I do "make-kpkg kernel-headers" in my 2.6.8 source tree, I get what appears to be a complete set of headers in the resulting package |
| 03:44.57 | Justin | !tell jeebes about X problem |
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| 03:45.10 | jeebes | before somebody on here told me using dri would make my acceleration work |
| 03:45.24 | SDFH_Linux | downloading mplayer |
| 03:45.32 | Wyzard | jasonf: If you want to prevent a package from being upgraded even though a new version is available, setting its status to "hold" is the way to do it |
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| 03:45.49 | Wyzard | jasonf: If that's not what you're asking, then I don't understand your question |
| 03:45.52 | Justin | jeebes: yes, using the "thing that does acceleration" usually makes acceleration work |
| 03:45.57 | puff | Hm. |
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| 03:46.13 | jasonf | Wyzard: I see :) I was able to use dselect do it ... my command must have been flawed |
| 03:46.25 | ionrock | is there a utility that will clear out memory? I have been using xfce4 and after a while the swap seems to get full and no other programs will start |
| 03:46.31 | SteveB | how do i view the contents of a dir? |
| 03:46.35 | Justin | aptitude hold $foo usually works |
| 03:46.40 | Wyzard | SteveB: ls? |
| 03:46.41 | jeebes | well somebody else told me I'd need to configure my kernel to use dri, and knowing nothing about kernel configuring I was trying to do that |
| 03:46.48 | lanchow | lol |
| 03:46.50 | SteveB | Wyzard: what's ls? |
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| 03:46.59 | Justin | jeebes: that somebody else was an idiot |
| 03:47.01 | Wyzard | SteveB: It's the command to list the contents of a directory |
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| 03:47.08 | SteveB | Wyzard: how do i use it? |
| 03:47.19 | Justin | SteveB: troll somewhere else? |
| 03:47.20 | fugit | jeebes: this link may get you going in the right direction; http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 03:47.21 | jeebes | well good, but how can I install dri then |
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| 03:47.22 | Wyzard | SteveB: You type it at a command prompt... are you trolling, or just very new? |
| 03:47.24 | SteveB | Justin: troll? |
| 03:47.25 | jeebes | cool, thank you |
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| 03:47.38 | jasonf | !troll |
| 03:47.38 | dpkg | troll is probably a race on some muds;a guy under a bridge: an annoying robot; a port scanner, or somebody faking being clueless to be shown the One Linux Way so he can argue against it for his psychology thesis on linux advocates, or an employee of trolltech, or at http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/27/51233/2979 or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/troll.html |
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| 03:47.45 | SteveB | Wyzard: im kinda new to linux. |
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| 03:47.54 | jeebes | thank you very much |
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| 03:48.01 | kkristin | SteveB: man "command" |
| 03:48.05 | kkristin | SteveB: man ls |
| 03:48.10 | SteveB | kkristin: oh ok. |
| 03:48.14 | fugit | np |
| 03:48.19 | Wyzard | SteveB: You're *very* new, and should probably search online for a tutorial |
| 03:48.20 | jeebes | though I think my card might be too old for these drivers |
| 03:48.27 | SteveB | Wyzard: will do. thanks |
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| 03:48.35 | kkristin | kkristin: i think this is not the best venue to start learning linux.. |
| 03:48.35 | Narg | hrm, anyone know if theres a stratagus deb package? One on there is a game, not the engine. |
| 03:49.02 | kkristin | SteveB: i suggest you start reading www.tldp.org |
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| 03:49.32 | paspourtoi | kkristin: he's left |
| 03:49.51 | fugit | jeebes: Most older cards work with the ati driver, and you prolly don't need fglrx |
| 03:50.09 | jj110888 | you guys ever one how many "trolls" on here on dares by people in other channels? :P |
| 03:50.14 | kkristin | paspourtoi: ok. tnx. |
| 03:50.24 | sussudio | !confuse jj110888 |
| 03:50.25 | dpkg | No, what was our snake today, jj110888? shirts of the people's republic of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 03:50.31 | abrotman | jj110888: engrish? |
| 03:50.46 | jeebes | hmm, it gives a list of the cards they say works with it, mines a 7500 but the lowest one they list is a 8500 |
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| 03:51.04 | Justin | jeebes: then you don't need atis shitty driver |
| 03:51.13 | jeebes | sigh |
| 03:51.15 | jj110888 | * you guys ever wonder how many "trolls" are here on dares by people from other channels? :P |
| 03:51.20 | jeebes | I'm just trying to find out what to use |
| 03:51.25 | rich_ | jj110888 No, I never wonder that at all because even though I don't have the exact statistic, I probably know what it is better than anyone |
| 03:51.27 | jeebes | I don't care what it is, as long as it works |
| 03:51.29 | Justin | !tell jeebes about X problem |
| 03:51.31 | abrotman | jj110888: are you one too? |
| 03:51.35 | sussudio | !irritate jj110888 |
| 03:51.36 | dpkg | jj110888: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my kanotix werkz !!!! |
| 03:51.40 | jeebes | yes thank you I already got that message |
| 03:51.40 | Justin | jeebes: then start with telling someone why its not working now |
| 03:51.42 | sussudio | abrotman: jj110888 on #debian #gentoo |
| 03:51.48 | jeebes | I'm not complaining about "an error" |
| 03:51.48 | fugit | jeebes: I have a 7500 in my other machine you can use the "ati" driver fine, and it will work. You don't need the fglrx driver from Radeon. |
| 03:51.48 | jj110888 | abrotman, no, just a witness, supose i should leave now |
| 03:51.50 | abrotman | sussudio: exactly |
| 03:51.53 | zignig | BEEEEEP! |
| 03:52.02 | abrotman | jj110888: so steveb is ffrom #gentoo? |
| 03:52.07 | abrotman | jj110888: and you dared him? |
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| 03:52.45 | busboy | hello, any evms users? |
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| 03:52.53 | abrotman | jj110888: ? |
| 03:52.54 | yardstick | how many can join this channel? |
| 03:52.56 | Wyzard | busboy: I use LVM, if that counts |
| 03:53.03 | Justin | i've seen people do stupid things like join this channel, ask stupid questions until someone tells them off, and then say, "Ha, this was a study of how unhelpful debian users are" or some stupid shit like that |
| 03:53.10 | jj110888 | abrotman, no, i told him to do man exports in another channel in another network, and people made jokes about #debian, so he went in here to see what the gossip about this place is about |
| 03:53.12 | busboy | ok |
| 03:53.22 | abrotman | jj110888: so you followed? |
| 03:53.45 | jasonf | </badjoke> |
| 03:53.46 | Trev_ | couple printing questions - I've just install hpijs and hpoj - It autodetected my hp psc 750xi printer and gave it a default name. Though KDE is not showing this printer in the control panel... how do I access it there ?? |
| 03:53.51 | busboy | does evms do raid0,1,5 and raid0+1? |
| 03:54.04 | abrotman | jj110888: we get a lot of idiots .. we are apparently the unofficial help channel for the entire internet .. we get questions about gentoo,suse,wine,alsa,xfree .. none of it related to debian |
| 03:54.07 | jj110888 | abrotman, why not, procastionating doing chemistry homework, with people eying me i should probably leave anyways |
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| 03:54.13 | jasonf | brb guys, rebooting to take advantage of all my new, broken, unstable debian conviguration! |
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| 03:54.18 | paspourtoi | !badger jj110888 |
| 03:54.19 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
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| 03:54.24 | abrotman | ack .. he broke his keyboard! |
| 03:54.26 | DarknessX | Trev_: are you sure it works? |
| 03:54.32 | Wyzard | busboy: I don't know since LVM doesn't deal with redundancy... but you can probably find your answer with a Web search |
| 03:54.43 | Wyzard | busboy: I'm sure the EVMS project has a website with a FAQ... |
| 03:54.46 | Trev_ | omg no.. not even sure how to go about testin git Darkness... to be honest.. |
| 03:54.59 | Trev_ | I am cups user at work.. local printing I am clueless on =) |
| 03:55.05 | DarknessX | Trev_: are you setting it up with cups? |
| 03:55.13 | Trev_ | I have not yet... |
| 03:55.15 | Wyzard | Trev_: I use CUPS for local printing... |
| 03:55.17 | Trev_ | I could I guess |
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| 03:55.23 | Trev_ | I guess I could do that.. |
| 03:55.28 | DarknessX | Trev_: cups is kind of the defacto standard |
| 03:55.44 | Trev_ | I use it at work.. I basically admin it for our system there.. |
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| 03:55.55 | Trev_ | but.. I do not recall seeing usb device option.. |
| 03:56.02 | Trev_ | We don't have any... of course.. |
| 03:56.02 | Wyzard | Trev_: I believe HPOJ just handles communication with the printer, and not spooling... you need something like CUPS or LPRng for that |
| 03:56.13 | Trev_ | Very well.. cups it is. |
| 03:56.26 | DarknessX | I just burnt the shit out of the roof of my mouth with a bagel-bite |
| 03:56.28 | Trev_ | hpoj is just comm with printer.. your right there.. |
| 03:56.35 | Wyzard | Trev_: I recommend CUPS + Foomatic... and remember, http://www.linuxprinting.org/ is your friend |
| 03:57.10 | Wyzard | DarknessX: ouch... but it's worth it; those things are good :-) |
| 03:57.11 | Trev_ | True, yes cups +footmatic is my default at work.. of course there we default the 4050 driver.. seems to work best. |
| 03:57.18 | jasonf | Wyzard: yeah, SID is broken ... so far I've already encounted the "fugly gnome splash" bug ;) |
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| 03:57.21 | jasonf | hehe |
| 03:57.25 | Wyzard | jasonf: hehe |
| 03:57.34 | Wyzard | jasonf: You can change it, though I don't remember offhand how |
| 03:57.41 | jasonf | I know how to change it :) |
| 03:57.46 | jasonf | I'm just to lazy to ever do it |
| 03:57.53 | Wyzard | Trev_: I use CUPS+Foomatic+HPOJ with my USB LaserJet 1300... works quite nicely |
| 03:58.11 | Wyzard | (It helps a lot that it's a PostScript printer... that's a large part of why I bought it) |
| 03:58.15 | Trev_ | what ppd ? |
| 03:58.23 | DarknessX | I use cups+foomatic with my HP DeskJet 712 (Parallel) |
| 03:58.29 | Wyzard | the one Foomatic generated |
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| 03:59.33 | Wyzard | Actually, that reminds me... I found a bug in either Galeon's printing support, or my printer's PostScript implementation, and I need to check which it is :-) |
| 03:59.50 | jharrison | what country code is .sk? |
| 03:59.51 | jasonf | Wyzard: pray it's a bug in your printer, you have more chance of getting it fixed |
| 03:59.53 | abrotman | !sk |
| 03:59.54 | jasonf | LOL |
| 03:59.57 | abrotman | !.sk |
| 03:59.57 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:00.01 | abrotman | !you suck |
| 04:00.01 | dpkg | Dream on, abrotman. These lips will never touch your flesh. |
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| 04:00.13 | jasonf | !I suck |
| 04:00.25 | Trev_ | Looks like I need to DL a .ppd for this printer.. no real HP choices avail.. just 5 generic cups ones... hrmm |
| 04:00.25 | abrotman | !suck |
| 04:00.25 | dpkg | i heard suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 04:00.26 | carsonc | .sk is Slovakia |
| 04:00.38 | jharrison | thanks |
| 04:00.38 | sussudio | soviet slovakia |
| 04:00.44 | Wyzard | Trev_: That's what Foomatic is for... you tell it what printer you have and it generates a PPD |
| 04:00.49 | rich_ | If there were no "bugs" we wouldnt really need a scriptin language would we? Is that the idea, everything is supposed to work perfectly, with no scripts to hold it together |
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| 04:01.55 | abrotman | in soviet russion .. the kia is slova |
| 04:02.06 | abrotman | !punish me |
| 04:02.24 | sussudio | no, skoda. |
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| 04:03.46 | alnr | how do I move a service eg smtp to another port? in RH type systems i would change smtp 25/tcp in /etc/services. but /etc/inetd.conf is different, whats the debian way? |
| 04:03.56 | Trev_ | Wyzard -- We are printing color.. how swell =) Thanks for the direction.. prolly would have ended up in cups anyhow /shrug |
| 04:04.05 | trappist | why don't my end and home keys work in Eterm? I just get a beep and a ~ |
| 04:04.16 | Wyzard | Trev_: cool :-) |
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| 04:04.40 | Wyzard | and grr, now I can't reproduce that bug... seems like Galeon's page-wrapping behavior has changed when printing |
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| 04:04.59 | Trev_ | We have no usb printers at work.. all network.. couple lp0 so I was not ready to see usb support in cups to be honest... anyhow.. off to kill some trees... =) |
| 04:05.18 | paspourtoi | trappist: apt-get install <decent_terminal> |
| 04:05.25 | Wyzard | Trev_: Well, it's not really USB support in CUPS... HPOJ handles the USB communication and creates a device for CUPS to talk to |
| 04:05.39 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:05.43 | Viddy | i dont believe that cups cares if its a usb connection |
| 04:05.46 | mrwill | alnr: geez, it depends on what service, and what daemon is running that service -- or you could use iptables to redirect requests from another port. |
| 04:05.53 | trappist | paspourtoi: I use Eterm, that's just how it is, and it works fine in every other distro I've tried |
| 04:05.58 | grendal_prime | how do yo mount an mass storage device in debian |
| 04:05.59 | thully | hello - I'm having trouble building a proper kernel-headers package (had some network trouble) - anyway, I need it to have the proper symlinks to build drivers, like the pure debian headers packages do |
| 04:05.59 | Wyzard | Viddy: No, it doesn't, but my point is that CUPS has no USB backend afaik |
| 04:06.02 | paspourtoi | ;) |
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| 04:06.17 | Viddy | im not sure what you mean |
| 04:06.20 | thully | Just using the source or pre-compiling the modules is not an option |
| 04:06.29 | alnr | mrwill: i want exim to listen on 26 instead of 25 |
| 04:06.29 | carsonc | I use a USB printer all the time via CUPS |
| 04:06.32 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: When you load the usb-storage module, USB mass-storage devices appear as SCSI disks |
| 04:06.33 | carsonc | every day, in fact |
| 04:06.34 | Viddy | i have a lp/usb printer, and cups supports both |
| 04:06.36 | thully | I've been using make-kpkg to make the headers packages |
| 04:06.48 | carsonc | on both Linux and OS X, I may add |
| 04:07.08 | mrwill | alnr: well, I can't help you, I don't know about exim, but you can probably change its configuration file somewhere in /etc/ and then restart the daemon. |
| 04:07.09 | Viddy | i believe that usb printer support is done in the kernel, and cups just picks up the device name |
| 04:07.12 | grendal_prime | Wyzard, and?... |
| 04:07.15 | Viddy | as it does for lp |
| 04:07.17 | Trev_ | Yea, you had mentioned that Wyzard.. the hpoj I installed did see the printer, and created default printer for it. I chose that during cups setup for local printer.. and works fine. I was just referring to the whole -> usb printing thing <- as compared to just cups etc etc |
| 04:07.30 | alnr | mr i tried to change exim but it is not the one listening on 25, inetd is |
| 04:07.30 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:07.40 | Trev_ | I had doubts =) |
| 04:07.46 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: If you don't have any other SCSI disks, your USB device would be /dev/sda |
| 04:07.49 | thully | Does anybody have any ideas on this - as I can't just precompile the modules or use the source - I need proper headers packages due to space and licensing constraints |
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| 04:07.59 | grendal_prime | right |
| 04:08.03 | Viddy | icensing constraints? |
| 04:08.25 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: so mount /dev/sda1 or whatever |
| 04:08.27 | thully | yes - winmodem drivers |
| 04:08.32 | thully | ditching the winmodems isn't always an option with what I'm going to do with this |
| 04:09.20 | grendal_prime | Wyzard, ya thats what i though...i use to mount it like that...but its not working |
| 04:09.30 | grendal_prime | dmesg comes up with this |
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| 04:09.33 | grendal_prime | /dev/scsi/host3/bus0/target0/lun0 |
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| 04:10.20 | thully | How does Debian do this with their kernel-headers files - it shouldn't be that hard, but it seems to be |
| 04:10.50 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: That's a devfs path for a SCSI device, presumably your USB stick... but it doesn't look like an error message to me |
| 04:10.56 | glick | excuse me i made a debian kernel and then when i install it with dpkg -i kernel_image*.deb i get a bunch of depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules messages |
| 04:11.01 | glick | what do these mean |
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| 04:11.16 | Wyzard | thully: I seem to remember you mentioned earlier that you don't have a proper debian/ subdirectory in your source tree |
| 04:11.27 | Wyzard | glick: If it's a 2.6 kernel, you need to have module-init-tools installed |
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| 04:11.52 | thully | I actually did make-kpkg debian and echoed to debian/official to make it build as an "official" debian kernel |
| 04:11.58 | alnr | so does anyone know how to move an inetd service to a different port? |
| 04:12.01 | Wyzard | hmm, ok |
| 04:12.06 | glick | Wyzard, ok its installed now, now what? |
| 04:12.13 | Wyzard | Well, it works for me, so I don't think make-kpkg is broken |
| 04:12.21 | wols | alnr: edit /etc/inetd.conf and restart inetd |
| 04:12.22 | Wyzard | glick: reinstall the kernel .deb |
| 04:12.35 | glick | Wyzard, do i have to uninstall it first? |
| 04:12.37 | jasonf | Wyzard: it worked for me last night too, first try compiling a kernel the debian way |
| 04:12.43 | Wyzard | glick: no |
| 04:12.47 | alnr | wols: i tried, but that file doesnt mention any ports and the syntax doesnt seem to provide for specifying ports |
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| 04:13.04 | Wyzard | glick: And you don't actually have to reinstall it -- you can just run depmod with the right options -- but reinstalling it is easiest |
| 04:13.14 | grendal_prime | hmm...i should be able to with mount /media/camera /dev/sda1 |
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| 04:13.28 | grendal_prime | but i get a permission denied..and thats with the root user |
| 04:13.31 | wols | it does. the first thing on every line is a pointer of sorts to /etc/services |
| 04:13.33 | thully | I'm working with Kano on Kanotix (which is a Debian install on a live CD) and he has a custom kernel w/software suspend and a few other things. Building headers packages with make-kpkg kernel-headers seems to make packages that don't provide what drivers need) |
| 04:13.42 | wols | and /etc/services has the portnumbers |
| 04:13.58 | wols | but don't edit /ets/services if you can help it... |
| 04:14.18 | glick | nice, thanks, installed without a hitch this time |
| 04:14.20 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: If you're using devfs, your devices are generated by the kernel and your (non-root) account probably doesn't have write access |
| 04:14.39 | wols | alnr: there is always "man inetd.conf" btw |
| 04:14.39 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: Read the devfsd docs to learn how to configure permissions for devfs devices |
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| 04:14.48 | thully | We've been working on this for a while - and want it so that the HSF modem deb package can be built on the fly from the live CD and used (it can't be distributed in modified form) |
| 04:14.59 | Wyzard | glick: module-init-tools is the 2.6 replacement for modutils... it's what contains "insmod", "depmod", "modprobe", etc. |
| 04:15.17 | glick | Wyzard, i see, thanks |
| 04:15.19 | Wyzard | glick: The modutils ones don't work with 2.6-style modules, hence depmod not working and those messages you saw |
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| 04:15.55 | alnr | wol, ah /etc/services is where i think i have to do it, to make smtp be 26 instead of 25 |
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| 04:16.08 | thully | This would be very nice for system troubleshooting - anyone have any clue? (other than "ditch the $#@! winmodem") |
| 04:16.25 | Wyzard | alnr: Careful, that might confuse some apps that expect well-known services to be on their well-known ports |
| 04:16.50 | Wyzard | thully: I'd suggest removing whatever custom patches you have applied and seeing whether it works that way... then add the patches back one by one |
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| 04:17.24 | alnr | Wyzard: i have to run a different prog (mine) which listens on 25 and forwards to exim (on 26). I have done this exact thing on rh type sys except with qmail on the back end |
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| 04:17.55 | Wyzard | alnr: Then you should probably just configure Exim to listen on port 26... you're not redefining the essence of SMTP |
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| 04:18.31 | Wyzard | alnr: Plus, that way programs on your system whicn need to send mail will talk to your frontend rather than talking directly to Exim |
| 04:18.43 | alnr | Wyzard: i configed daemon_smtp_port in exim.conf = 26 but it was still 25 that was open. netstat showed that inetd was listening on 25 |
| 04:19.03 | Wyzard | alnr: And you restarted Exim after making that configuration change, I assume? |
| 04:19.21 | alnr | yes, /etc/inet.d/exim restart |
| 04:19.31 | wols | alnr: no you don't have to edit /etc/services |
| 04:19.32 | conna | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:19.47 | anthill | conna: tat xvf omg.tar |
| 04:19.52 | anthill | tar xvf that is |
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| 04:20.09 | Wyzard | alnr: hmm... you might try doing a full "stop" and then "start"... some initscripts' "restart" doesn't actually restart the process, just signals it to re-read its config, which might not cause all changes to take effect |
| 04:20.10 | sussudio | !scratch itchy |
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| 04:20.25 | Wyzard | alnr: It's also possible, though unlikely, that you found a bug in Exim |
| 04:20.25 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.33 | alnr | actually i think i did stop/start but i will try it again... |
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| 04:20.46 | eraser` | are there any installations available with reiser4 support? |
| 04:20.56 | sussudio | !ricerfs |
| 04:20.56 | dpkg | methinks ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
| 04:20.58 | itchy | shit!! :-$ SORRY!! |
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| 04:21.25 | Wyzard | eraser`: There's kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4, if you feel like building yourself a custom kernel |
| 04:21.26 | wols | heh |
| 04:21.33 | alnr | but maybe you saying i can leave smtp=25 and just make my prog listen on 25 and by setting th exim value to 26 it will listen there? |
| 04:21.34 | wols | funny definition |
| 04:21.36 | itchy | I can't configure my nickserv pass during connect |
| 04:21.59 | wols | alnr: depends how exim is started |
| 04:21.59 | Wyzard | alnr: correct |
| 04:22.04 | eraser` | is there really any justification to that !ricerfs entry in dpkg |
| 04:22.05 | rich_ | itchy Just think of it as a typeing excersize |
| 04:22.18 | Trev_ | print command in firefox.. location ? |
| 04:22.25 | sussudio | yes, maybe with more typing, you can spell typing right one day |
| 04:22.26 | wols | eraser`: once upon a time it was, and with reiser4 it might be again for some time |
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| 04:22.45 | rich_ | Oh yea, sorry |
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| 04:23.10 | alnr | wols: i know there is a command line flag for port, but i thing i should work by changing daemon_smtp_port in exim.conf. gonna retest it |
| 04:23.36 | spilo | hey.. gys what fiole should I download form SUN to have java in browser.. SDK or JRE? |
| 04:23.37 | wols | alnr: only if you run exim as a daemon. if you run it from inetd, you hafta change inetd.conf |
| 04:23.39 | sussudio | !seen a funny simpsons episode |
| 04:23.40 | dpkg | sussudio: i haven't seen 'a funny simpsons episode' |
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| 04:23.58 | wols | spilo: JRE. SDK only if you want to develop java programs (or compile them) |
| 04:24.01 | thully_ | I'll summarize my problem to make it clearer: I am working on Kano on Kanotix (live CD based on latest debian sid) and we are having a problem w/kernel-headers. Kano has a custom kernel w/software suspend and a few other things added like reiser4. This kernel is built into deb packages using make-kpkg, and installed onto the liveCD. The resulting kernel-headers file lacks some symbolic links that the debian kernel-headers has, and this |
| 04:24.04 | thully_ | causesthe hsfmodem compilation to fail. How can the kernel-headers be fixed to allow the HSf drivers to compile? There is insufficient space for kernel-source onthe CD, and the HSF license prohibits distribution of modified versions (meaning - only the deb can be distributed). Ditching a winmodem wouldn't resolve this problem, as this is to allow more modems to work from a live CD - which is very useful indeed. |
| 04:24.12 | jeebes | say, in the past when I was search apt-get I could hit tab twice and get autocompletion for apt packages, but on my new sarge system it doenst complete it anymore |
| 04:24.24 | thully_ | Sorry - didn't realize that what I typed was that long |
| 04:24.29 | sussudio | thully_: #kanotix |
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| 04:24.34 | wols | thully_: we know your problem, and your almighty kano was already here in person before with that problem |
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| 04:25.00 | spilo | wols: is there a good tutorial how to install it? I tried myself.. could nof figure out.. I want to get mozilla and mozilla firefox working hava on them.. |
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| 04:25.17 | puff | In the sarge distro with the new installer, on the partitioning screen, what do the smiley faces (black and white) mean? |
| 04:25.31 | sussudio | !d-i |
| 04:25.31 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
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| 04:25.47 | wols | spilo: there are (unofficial) debs out there. but to track them down for your debian version, libcstdc++ version, g++ version, etc. can be very tiring indeed :( |
| 04:25.59 | Wyzard | jeebes: Edit /etc/bash.bashrc and uncomment the lines for bash_completion |
| 04:26.02 | kreg | anyone recomend against a cisco 678 for a fairly busy connection? |
| 04:26.03 | cray2 | i want to print something from koffice. where do i start when it comes to printing over a network to a windows-shared printer? thanks in advance ! |
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| 04:26.19 | exhaust | how do i play dvd's in xine? i don't have /dev/dvd .. i know this drive is a dvd/cdrw. |
| 04:26.25 | spilo | wols: what do you recommend me to do? (as a new guy to linux) |
| 04:26.46 | Wyzard | spilo: The JRE is for running Java programs... the SDK is for compiling new Java programs |
| 04:26.48 | wols | kreg: does this cisco run debian? If it does: we will recommend it. If not: we won't |
| 04:26.54 | glick | Spilow what do you want to do |
| 04:26.55 | kreg | heh heh |
| 04:26.56 | Wyzard | spilo: btw, take a look at the "java-package" package if you run sid |
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| 04:27.06 | spilo | I have sarge.. |
| 04:27.07 | BucWheat | hello all |
| 04:27.23 | mwilson | exhaust: And you don't refer to the xine documentation because...? |
| 04:27.24 | BucWheat | anyone use libevent within debian ? |
| 04:27.30 | Wyzard | exhaust: /dev/dvd is just a symlink to your actual DVD device, like hdc or whatever... just create the symlink if it doesn't exist |
| 04:27.33 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying trying to install Debian. I chrooted into the mount point where the base system is supposed to be mounted, created fstab, and mounted the various partitions. When I attempt to run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data", I get "no such file or directory". What am I doing wrong? |
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| 04:27.57 | glick | cilkay, umm sounds like a gentoo install |
| 04:27.57 | BucWheat | anyone have any good libevent examples? |
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| 04:28.07 | Wyzard | cilkay: Any particular reason why you're not using the installer? |
| 04:28.15 | mwilson | cilkay: Why are you doing these things rather than running the installer? |
| 04:28.18 | Wyzard | cilkay: (It sounds like you're using debootstrap, but that's not usually necessary) |
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| 04:28.35 | spilo | will it automaticaly work after I install it? for browsers I mean.. I think I have to do something with browsers.. not sure what.. |
| 04:28.36 | wols | !comfort mwilson |
| 04:28.37 | dpkg | There, there, mwilson. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:28.46 | Wyzard | mwilson: nah, there can be valid reasons... I've done it a few times |
| 04:28.47 | cray2 | can anyone help? |
| 04:28.48 | cilkay | Wyzard, I am using debootstrap and just following the docs. I'm using a Knoppix CD to bootstrap the process. |
| 04:28.55 | qkit | hello guys i looking of installing my laptop to debian any good idea? |
| 04:29.03 | wols | spilo: all that moz cares about is a java plugin library in the plugins folder |
| 04:29.04 | mwilson | cilkay: Why would you do something stupid like that? |
| 04:29.13 | glick | qkit, i run it on a laptop |
| 04:29.17 | Wyzard | cilkay: Unless you have a specific reason to use debootstrap manually, you probably just want to use the installer |
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| 04:29.27 | spilo | where do i get those plugins to put there? |
| 04:29.30 | Wyzard | cilkay: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer for the new one |
| 04:29.33 | qkit | glick:how is it? the performance? |
| 04:29.36 | solar_ | how do I update gnome with apt-get? |
| 04:29.44 | glick | qkit, as good as any other linux |
| 04:29.45 | wols | spilo: they are part of the JRE |
| 04:29.50 | SDFH_Linux | now this is strange |
| 04:29.51 | qkit | glick:what laptop u using and what is the spec? |
| 04:29.54 | SDFH_Linux | mplayer not working |
| 04:30.00 | spilo | ok.. where should I run the file from? |
| 04:30.02 | SDFH_Linux | and realplayer works but horriblly and crashes |
| 04:30.05 | spilo | from my home directory>? |
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| 04:30.06 | qkit | glick:what thing u installed? |
| 04:30.14 | SDFH_Linux | what you guys think ti is |
| 04:30.15 | fugit | qkit: You should lookup your laptop model on http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html |
| 04:30.20 | glick | dell inspiron 8200 with 1.8gig cpu and 1 gig ram |
| 04:30.23 | cilkay | mwilson, how am I supposed to know that is "stupid" when debootstrap is right in the installer docs? |
| 04:30.26 | sussudio | SDFH_Linux: third party software nobody in here gives a fuck about? |
| 04:30.32 | qkit | wow i gig ram... |
| 04:30.35 | spilo | or should I run it somwhere else? as it is going to unpack stuff... |
| 04:30.49 | qkit | my is aver travelmate 660 not meantion in that side... |
| 04:30.54 | SDFH_Linux | i c |
| 04:30.55 | fugit | qkit: You could also run knoppix see if it works then start installing |
| 04:31.00 | mwilson | cilkay: Nothing is in the installer about doing something stupid like using Knoppix. |
| 04:31.00 | qkit | aver=acer |
| 04:31.02 | SDFH_Linux | so you guys dont use those programs at all? |
| 04:31.05 | Wyzard | mwilson: I debootstrapped Debian from RH9 once, for a class assignment that required me to install another distribution without using any CDs or floppy disks... did it another time from Knoppix just for the experience... there are valid reasons, just not many |
| 04:31.07 | wols | never used the .bin from sun, so I can't say. Normally software like that installs itself to /usr/local |
| 04:31.08 | sussudio | !irritate SDFH_Linux |
| 04:31.09 | dpkg | SDFH_Linux: hi every1 how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
| 04:31.21 | qkit | yup the knoppix runing quite very well on it... |
| 04:31.27 | wols | but then, it is Sun we're talking about. Maybe you should head over to blackdown and get the deb from there? |
| 04:31.32 | cray2 | ok i've gotten pretty far now when i'm trying to access the shared printer it keeps asking me for a username and password- the printer isnt username/passworded, what should i do? |
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| 04:31.53 | Trev_ | fugit -> nice link on the laptops...=) |
| 04:31.54 | glick | god i hate java |
| 04:31.54 | mwilson | Wyzard: There are no valid reasons to install Crappix on the HD versus simply running the Debian installer. |
| 04:31.55 | fugit | mwilson: I did it once, wasn't much fun. I would recommend spenind 10$-20$ to get a cd-rom |
| 04:32.02 | glick | writing it that is |
| 04:32.05 | fugit | Trev_: thanks |
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| 04:32.23 | qkit | glick:but i looking on installing the vmware on it?i just using 256 ram somemore need to shared with display... |
| 04:32.25 | wols | glick: I hate sun. They just perceive linux as a threat which is why they make us go through all those hoops |
| 04:32.29 | Wyzard | mwilson: He's not doing a Knoppix HD install... just using Knoppix to run debootstrap |
| 04:32.37 | cilkay | mwilson, you have a broomstick up your butt about Knoppix or what? There is nothing in the installer that says you can't use any Linux distro to bootstrap Debian. |
| 04:32.49 | carnage | !ufs2 |
| 04:32.50 | qkit | glick:do u think the it will be go enough for my laptop? |
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| 04:32.54 | glick | qkit, with vmware you want at least 512 ram |
| 04:32.55 | eraser` | the debian installer isn't particularly flexible |
| 04:33.07 | mwilson | cilkay: Do you have a particular reason to make things more difficult? |
| 04:33.11 | glick | wols, sun is dyinh |
| 04:33.13 | glick | dying |
| 04:33.14 | mwilson | eraser`: It doesn't need to be. |
| 04:33.23 | wols | eraser`: that is debatable with 11 supported architectures... |
| 04:33.29 | eraser` | I am having to jump through hoops to get reiser4 |
| 04:33.40 | wols | I don't know any other linux installer which is that capable, do you? |
| 04:33.47 | eraser` | or to get it installed reasonably at all |
| 04:34.02 | mwilson | eraser`: Yes, I'd certainly hope so, since Reiser4 is unsupported at best and dangerous at worst. |
| 04:34.04 | fugit | glick: I would say they are on the cliff, and might fall off |
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| 04:34.14 | qkit | but i dont think i will have that much ram....so any idea?like any thing that can replace the vmware? |
| 04:34.16 | glick | debians installer is quite nice, with they had that earlier like slackware did |
| 04:34.16 | rich_ | eraser` yea, kinda makes one wonder. Its because you think the name is leet right? |
| 04:34.21 | wols | eraser`: that is not the isntallers fault. purely a decision on the debian kernel maintainers (and a good decision: reiser4 is not in the mainline kernel yet) |
| 04:34.23 | mwilson | eraser`: Since it's not even in the kernel, you see some reason the installer should be supporting it? |
| 04:34.31 | exhaust | ok now i can play dvd but i don't have any sound? |
| 04:34.41 | Wyzard | mwilson: I suspect cilkay is looking at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-preparing.en.html#s-linux-upgrade -- does indeed talk about using debootstrap |
| 04:34.44 | eraser` | is the debian group opposed to testing? |
| 04:34.50 | rich_ | "rise for" |
| 04:35.09 | wols | eraser`: no. debian is just attached to stable, working software |
| 04:35.09 | alnr | wol since i am running exim from inetd.conf, i guess my choice is to change /etc/service to smtp=26, or else, in inetd, make up a new service eg foo which calls exim, and define foo in /etc/services as port 26, is that it? |
| 04:35.16 | mwilson | eraser`: Why would an *experimental* feature be put into what's supposed to be a *release*? |
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| 04:35.22 | wols | if you like "testing" and stuff, you should install gentoo |
| 04:35.24 | qkit | glick:but i dont think i will have that much ram....so any idea?like any thing that can replace the vmware? |
| 04:35.28 | cilkay | Wyzard, righto! |
| 04:35.30 | cray2 | *sigh* |
| 04:35.32 | mwilson | I think I remember eraser` whining about Reiser4 once before. |
| 04:35.48 | jasonf | !reiser4 |
| 04:35.51 | Wyzard | cilkay: From that page: "This section explains how to install Debian GNU/Linux from an existing Unix or Linux system, without using the ncurses-based, menu-driven installer as explained in the rest of the manual." |
| 04:35.52 | eraser` | because stable linux software is hardly competitive in desktop environments |
| 04:35.57 | glick | qkit, depends on what you want to run, might want to look into winex or transoffice |
| 04:36.04 | mwilson | alnr: What's that supposed to do, other than break things? |
| 04:36.06 | Wyzard | cilkay: The "ncurses-based, menu-driven installer" is the usual means of installation :-) |
| 04:36.13 | jasonf | !reiser4 is If you want Reiser4, why are you using debian? |
| 04:36.14 | dpkg | okay, jasonf |
| 04:36.23 | puff | sussudio Was your "!d-i" in some way a response to my question? |
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| 04:36.36 | wols | eraser`: debian doesn't want (or need) to be "competitive" It doesn't have any quarterly earning reports to hit... |
| 04:36.37 | puff | Ah, fuck, "Couldn't download libpcre" |
| 04:36.42 | alnr | mwilson: the objective is to have my program listen on 25 and forward to exim on 26 |
| 04:36.54 | cilkay | Wyzard, yes, but it also offers this as an alternative. If the process doesn't work as advertised, I'd say it's a documentation bug, wouldn't you? Why go to the trouble of documenting this method if it doesn't work? |
| 04:36.55 | alnr | and have smtp service point to my prog |
| 04:37.02 | Wyzard | cilkay: You can get the woody installer, or the new one (being prepared for the upcoming sarge release) from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:37.13 | cilkay | Wyzard, how big is it? |
| 04:37.14 | puff | <Go back> <Continue>... but not indication of what failure to download libpcre3 means, or what could have caused the problem. |
| 04:37.18 | jasonf | cilkay: you want the new one. The new one is the best TUI installer in open source |
| 04:37.26 | wols | alnr: if you go that route, make up a new setting in services like "mysmtp" |
| 04:37.31 | wols | don't touch the smtp one |
| 04:37.34 | Wyzard | cilkay: No, the process does work -- I've done it myself several times, and you probably just made a simple mistake somewhere -- but you're creating more work for yourself than necessary by debootstrapping manually |
| 04:38.03 | Wyzard | cilkay: If you have a fast Internet connection available on the box you're installing to, you can get the ~50MB "businesscard" bootable CD image, and the installer will download the rest as-needed |
| 04:38.07 | wols | but I sorta have to agree with mwilson: I don't understand your need for it |
| 04:38.13 | useruser | i'm apt-get upgrading and getting 404s from ftp.us.debian.org. why's that? |
| 04:38.15 | solar_ | how do I update gnome with apt-get? |
| 04:38.26 | fugit | alnr: you could just turn it off in inet and then setup an smtp server to listen on any old port, I happen to like postfix |
| 04:38.27 | wols | solar_: "apt-get upgrade" |
| 04:38.28 | alnr | wol, ok, i called it foo. lets say its called mysmtp. then i define mysmtp=26 in services and then put it in the sysv startup |
| 04:38.36 | fugit | solar_: what distro are you running |
| 04:38.41 | Wyzard | useruser: It's probably in the middle of updating, so it has the new Packages file but not the new debs... wait half an hour or so |
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| 04:38.48 | mwilson | useruser: That's a round-robin... whatever mirror you're getting connected to hasn't finished the mirror pulse yet. |
| 04:38.53 | puff | Does anybody what libpcre3 is? Will not having it be a major problem? |
| 04:38.58 | alnr | fugit: i guess that would be simple |
| 04:38.59 | useruser | Wyzard: mwilson ah, ok |
| 04:39.00 | wols | alnr: yes you can do that, but why do you need your own program listening on port25? |
| 04:39.03 | Wyzard | puff: PCRE == Perl-Compatible Regular Expressions |
| 04:39.09 | wols | puff: perl regular expressions |
| 04:39.32 | puff | Hm, "cp: Read error: Input/output error" |
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| 04:39.40 | zinx | puff: if nothing important gets removed, then no, it's not important. |
| 04:39.47 | cilkay | Wyzard, ok, I'll try the minimal ISO. I hope it has improved from the last time I tried it over a year ago. |
| 04:39.49 | fugit | alnr: Also you could I'm sure use exim but postfix for sure, to excapt mail and then hand it to your program and then hand it back to "postfix". |
| 04:39.55 | cilkay | Wyzard, thanks. |
| 04:39.56 | mark | can anyone here help me? i am trying to install bittorrent using apt and i am getting this error everytime i try to do it perl: warning: setting locale failed. does anyone know how i can fix this problem? |
| 04:40.01 | alnr | i have a a forwarding mta which does its own processing of incoming mail and uses qmail as the backend delivery. i want to migrate to exim |
| 04:40.01 | Wyzard | cilkay: The sarge installer is greatly improved compared to the old one :-) |
| 04:40.05 | zinx | puff: apt-get will tell you what's going to be removed, and ask you to verify :/ |
| 04:40.11 | fugit | s/exacept/except/ |
| 04:40.25 | puff | Yah... in any event, I can try to figure out why it failed and fix it later. |
| 04:40.37 | mwilson | There was nothing wrong with the old installer, it merely required you to be able to think. |
| 04:40.50 | puff | mwilson There were many things wrong with the old installer. |
| 04:40.55 | puff | From a usability point of view. |
| 04:41.11 | rich_ | It never made Me think :) |
| 04:41.14 | vladkao | the new one will still require that, hopefuly |
| 04:41.16 | puff | There were also a few problems with it from a functional point of view; one reason I'm trying the new installer is that I have a 200GB disk. |
| 04:41.17 | glick | i got a guy at work hooked on debian |
| 04:41.21 | mwilson | puff: Such as? |
| 04:41.26 | wols | mwilson: not even that much, with the handly list it displayed. all it lacked was a GUI |
| 04:41.28 | glick | he was a long time redhat/fedora user |
| 04:41.40 | mwilson | puff: What, other than nothing, did the installer have to do with the size of your disk? |
| 04:41.51 | mwilson | wols: Fortunately it had no need for a GUI. |
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| 04:42.00 | puff | mwilson: Well, one example; you set up the patitions, then the next screen lists the partitions by name only, and asks you how you want to initialize them. |
| 04:42.00 | glick | and i caught him as he was installing gentoo, and i was "dude, you wanna waste time, or you wanna get shit done, so i helped him install debian, and he loves it |
| 04:42.01 | wols | mwilson: amen |
| 04:42.06 | glick | taht was my boss |
| 04:42.12 | mwilson | puff: Yes, so? |
| 04:42.15 | puff | So you basically have to either remember all of them by these very un-mnemonic names, or write down all your partitioning stuff. |
| 04:42.31 | puff | This is not good usability engineering. It imposes unnecessary cognitive overhead. |
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| 04:42.51 | mwilson | puff: And no, that wasn't how the old installer did things, unless you deliberately did things out of order. |
| 04:43.11 | rich_ | If you follow any path, faithfully, with an open heart, it leads to debian. Just a question of time. |
| 04:43.15 | puff | mwilson That's how it did things the two or three times I used it, and I was using it in the order it presented things to me. |
| 04:43.21 | mwilson | puff: Regarding "cognitive overhead", I see no reason to deliberately make things easy for the stupid. |
| 04:43.33 | cray2 | how do i mount a device in read/write mode? |
| 04:43.41 | Wyzard | mwilson: Then why don't you toggle in your OS rather than using a bootable CD with a nice pretty ncurses interface? |
| 04:44.02 | wols | there were a things wrong with the really old installer process however (/me looks at dselect) |
| 04:44.07 | mwilson | Wyzard: Been there, done that. |
| 04:44.15 | puff | mwilson I see, so now you're retreating from your original position of "there was nothing wng with it" to a modified position of (to paraphrase) "yes it sucks, but that's good because it'll make people work harder and keep the idiots out" |
| 04:44.21 | wols | Wyzard: cause the CD has atrocious seek times :) |
| 04:44.26 | Wyzard | mwilson: Not on your current system, I'll bet |
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| 04:44.53 | glick | i compiled and installed a new kernel i have yet to give it the smoke test |
| 04:44.54 | rich_ | puff those two positions are consistant with each other. |
| 04:44.58 | paspourtoi | me watches Strunk & White roll over in their graves at "unnecessary cognitive overhead" |
| 04:45.03 | grendal_prime | Wyzard, i get a permision denied when i try to mount sda1 to anything |
| 04:45.14 | puff | Hm, fuck. Tried to skip to the next step, installing GRUB, and it gave me the same libpcre3 error. |
| 04:45.17 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: What are the permissions on the device file? |
| 04:45.26 | nemo | keeping things difficult to keep idiots out is not particularly usefull |
| 04:45.26 | mwilson | puff: What retreat? I never said it sucked. A moron should have enough intelligence to know what he's just created. |
| 04:45.45 | wols | puff: perl won't work without libpcre3 afaik, and without perl, dpkg is severely unhappy |
| 04:45.49 | Wyzard | puff: Be aware, mwilson thinks anyone who isn't a guru is a moron |
| 04:45.53 | puff | Sigh. |
| 04:45.56 | mwilson | Wyzard: I do? |
| 04:46.00 | puff | Wyzard: ah-hah... overcompensating? |
| 04:46.06 | mwilson | Wyzard: Since when? |
| 04:46.13 | Wyzard | hehe... that's a good interpretation :-) |
| 04:46.29 | Wyzard | mwilson: Since pretty much every time I see you talk to someone |
| 04:46.33 | cilkay | It would appear there is at least one person who has delusions of adequacy on every channel who feels a need to demonstrate his "superiour" intellect by tearing others down. mwilson, you're full of shite. |
| 04:47.03 | sussudio | in soviet russia, mwilson might care |
| 04:47.04 | mwilson | Wyzard: I think people who have no skills yet insist on screwing things up are morons. |
| 04:47.16 | wols | cilkay: you may be right or not, but expressing in this way won't get you the desired result |
| 04:47.33 | Wyzard | mwilson: How do people wanting a more friendly installer equate to having no skills but insisting on screwing things up? |
| 04:47.36 | rich_ | Yea, theres a lot of personality conflicts, It's funny how smart people can be so angry. Makes me wonder if theres a connection |
| 04:47.37 | cilkay | wols, the desired result being:) ? |
| 04:47.43 | wols | mwilson: but there is more than one way to tell them how to make it better... |
| 04:47.47 | nemo | funny, even the morons I know prefer things that work, rather than things they can insist on stuffing up |
| 04:47.49 | puff | Okay, so I guess my next question is, what can I do? the error on the installer screen said "couldn't download", but the error on alt-f3 is "cp: Read error: Input/output error". |
| 04:47.59 | wols | cilkay: well, you came in here with a problem you wanted a solution, right? |
| 04:48.01 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'm quite capable of using the old installer successfully and knowing exactly what I'm doing the whole way through, but I still prefer the new one |
| 04:48.03 | rich_ | People would be a lot more happy if they werent so smart |
| 04:48.07 | grendal_prime | owner root, group disk |
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| 04:48.12 | mwilson | Wyzard: Did I make some sort of statement about the new installer that I might have missed? Or did I make several statements regarding the old one? |
| 04:48.14 | puff | This suggests that maybe there's an error on the CD image, though the CD writer, nero, said the data was verified. |
| 04:48.17 | grendal_prime | can read and write for each |
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| 04:48.59 | wols | puff: which installer are you using? |
| 04:49.08 | glick | anyone here from the seattle area |
| 04:49.11 | Wyzard | <mwilson> puff: Regarding "cognitive overhead", I see no reason to deliberately make things easy for the stupid. |
| 04:49.16 | cilkay | wols, you're absolutely right. However, I'm not the one telling people they are "stupid" or "morons" or whatever if they do not do something a particular way. |
| 04:49.44 | cilkay | wols, but thanks all the same, I really mean that. |
| 04:49.45 | puff | sarge-i386-1.iso |
| 04:49.47 | mwilson | Wyzard: Yes, so? |
| 04:50.10 | wols | puff: the ISO should have a basedebs.tar.gz Try to extract it under windows (winrar, cygwin, or similar) |
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| 04:50.24 | puff | ? |
| 04:50.33 | puff | You mean inside the ISO somewhere? |
| 04:50.36 | wols | to check if it's corrupted |
| 04:50.43 | rich_ | I agree with mwilson . In my own words, if we really made everything as easy as we could, there would be a million little helions running around terrorising people. Some things really are made difficult on purpose. |
| 04:50.45 | wols | yes inside the iso, or on the burnt CD |
| 04:50.47 | simonrvn | sarge doesn't have basedebs.tar |
| 04:50.49 | Wyzard | mwilson: Given the context, that's a statement about the new installer, accusing people who use it (rather than the old one) of being stupid |
| 04:50.51 | glick | i wish the new windowmaker would make into testing |
| 04:50.58 | glick | version0.91 |
| 04:51.02 | puff | I'm not really familiar with ISOs at all... so it's basically a big tar.gz file underneath? |
| 04:51.05 | takatumi | w00t for screen! |
| 04:51.15 | glick | puff, no |
| 04:51.15 | mwilson | Wyzard: A response to puff's comment about how horrible it is that boot-floppies actually expected you to remember what you'd just done somehow applies to the new installer? |
| 04:51.21 | wols | rich_: and yet, the Linux crowd as a whole wants to replace Windows and achieve world domination(tm) |
| 04:51.23 | Tabitha | i have an ati all-in-wonder card.. is there a TV tuner program I can use to view television in debian? |
| 04:51.30 | wols | rich_: somehow those two things don't really mix |
| 04:51.33 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: But you're not root, and you're not in group disk |
| 04:51.33 | mwilson | wols: Maybe YOU do. |
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| 04:51.53 | Phated | wols: Not really, no, they don't. |
| 04:51.55 | grendal_prime | when i try and mount it as root |
| 04:51.58 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 04:52.00 | glick | an iso is a cd filesystem |
| 04:52.01 | mwilson | Wyzard: I wouldn't have any idea what the new installer does... I haven't bothered with it since way back in the betas. |
| 04:52.10 | wols | mwilson: reading comprehension enlightens "Linux crowd as a whole" |
| 04:52.11 | vladkao | puff: winrar can browse inside .iso-s |
| 04:52.18 | puff | What's winrar? |
| 04:52.18 | grendal_prime | i mean i am root...so...i should be able to mount it as root i would think |
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| 04:52.31 | Wyzard | mwilson: Why, do you think it makes you less manly or l33t for using it? :-P |
| 04:52.35 | puff | Should I expect to find winrar already installed, or should I go download it? |
| 04:52.37 | vladkao | puff: you know about nero, and don't know about winrar. ha :-) |
| 04:52.41 | cray2 | how do i mount a usb mass storage device? |
| 04:52.54 | rich_ | wols I keep telling you, linux is not the best windows, it's the easiest unix. There is a big big difference. Things were going great before windows and they have only gotten better, We've already gotten what we wanted from them, we no longer need them. |
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| 04:53.04 | puff | vladkao If by "know" you mean "somebody on #debian suggested downloading it and using it to write the CD", then yes. |
| 04:53.04 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, because I'm not needing to re-install my boxen every ten minutes. |
| 04:53.10 | Wyzard | grendal_prime: hmm... indeed, you should be able to mount it as root |
| 04:53.11 | wols | puff: not installed. windows can't deal with tar.gz natively. 7-zip is a free program that can (winrar is not, shareware) |
| 04:53.21 | glick | i dont hate windows |
| 04:53.31 | simonrvn | one thing i dislike about d-i is that it doesn't session like bf did. bf would "remember" what you did. d-i doesn't |
| 04:53.33 | mwilson | Wyzard: When I own hardware on which I cannot install Woody, then I will be concerned. So far, I do not. |
| 04:53.37 | useruser | cray2: plug it in, and peruse /var/log/syslog. if you're lucky, you'll see it's had a device (such as sda) assigned to it. then cfdisk /dev/sda to see what's on it, and mount the relevant partition |
| 04:53.38 | glick | im not anti MS |
| 04:53.40 | glick | whatever |
| 04:53.52 | cray2 | cool |
| 04:53.54 | glick | they make a nice gui |
| 04:53.58 | cray2 | thanks useruser |
| 04:53.58 | wols | rich_: everytime I look at kde and gnome, it seems they still want more from windows (and OSX) :) |
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| 04:54.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: But with mandantory hardware detection and the switch to grub, I really don't think I'll bother. |
| 04:54.14 | ALinux | Hi everyone, Anyone know how can I make the ssh execute a command in any remote host after I login to that remote host ? |
| 04:54.20 | takatumi | what hardware do I need to get mythtv going? (pcmcia based) |
| 04:54.22 | simonrvn | say, you were at the partitioning. you'd just finished. you have to reboot the installer for some reason. then you could continue where you left off once kbd was set up. i miss that in d-i |
| 04:54.25 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why? Is there some reason I shouldn't install Woody? |
| 04:54.44 | wols | takatumi: any video4linux compatible TV card |
| 04:54.45 | Wyzard | mwilson: Nah, just your disdain for anything newer and easier |
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| 04:54.47 | useruser | ALinux: ssh 'command; exec /bin/bash' (untested) ? |
| 04:55.01 | simonrvn | d-i in that sense resembles every other linux installer i've seen |
| 04:55.04 | Phated | Wyzard: Grub easier? Heh. Woody's installer is simple enough. |
| 04:55.07 | simonrvn | which SUCKS |
| 04:55.08 | grendal_prime | this is very frustrating...the redhat machines see this camera just fine |
| 04:55.21 | mwilson | Wyzard: I hadn't noticed Woody's installer to be difficult. Boot from CD, answer a few questions, walk away for half an hour. |
| 04:55.22 | ALinux | useruser: I it to be for every , I don't want to type this command everytime |
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| 04:55.32 | useruser | ALinux: make a little shell script |
| 04:55.45 | Phated | Or an alias. |
| 04:55.46 | Wyzard | mwilson: I suppose I should've said "friendlier", then |
| 04:55.46 | paspourtoi | ALinux: so make an alias |
| 04:55.48 | grendal_prime | its a mass storage device...i dont understand why im unable mount it with debian |
| 04:55.50 | rich_ | wols Unix is and always has been the academic and industrial standard. Windows made a dent in the clerical and graphic design fields. These are fields we never needed before, and could do quite well with never touching. If no secretary or graphic designer every touched another unix like os, unix would live on, quite happilly. |
| 04:56.05 | Phated | Wyzard: Woody's install -is- friendly. |
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| 04:56.09 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't find the woody installer particularly difficult either, but newbies often do, and they'll never progress past newbie stage if they can't even install the OS |
| 04:56.14 | simonrvn | winbloze is not graphic design AT ALL. what drugs are you on? |
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| 04:56.36 | mwilson | Wyzard: Why should they be installing the OS? Surely we don't have to go here AGAIN? |
| 04:56.36 | Phated | simonrvn: Fumes from under the trollbridge. |
| 04:56.37 | simonrvn | get off that prozac, it'S rotting your brain |
| 04:56.38 | cray2 | useruser: this is what i see in the syslog: kernel: usb-storage: probe of 1-2:1.0 failed with error -1 |
| 04:56.38 | useruser | grendal_prime: try cfdisk /dev/sda as root |
| 04:56.45 | wols | rich_: maybe, maybe not. remember how much a unix workstation cost? and how much a DOS box cost? granted, a workstation could do more, but the price difference was still out of this world |
| 04:56.54 | useruser | cray2: well i guess you weren't lucky. i don't know what to do in that case |
| 04:56.55 | rich_ | I thought they used photo shop. I dont know, do I look like a graphic designer? |
| 04:56.55 | simonrvn | Phated: s/fumes/farts/ |
| 04:56.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: You look at difficult stuff as a filter to keep inexperienced people out... I look at it as an opportunity for them to learn |
| 04:57.02 | cray2 | useruser: Lol ok thanks |
| 04:57.04 | Phated | simonrvn: Either way. :) |
| 04:57.07 | Wyzard | mwilson: and I look at it that way because that's how *I* learned |
| 04:57.09 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 04:57.16 | wols | and geeks and academia, just like any other demographic, likes cheap and plentiful hardware |
| 04:57.24 | mwilson | Wyzard: I couldn't care less about keeping people out. If I did, I'd build walls. |
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| 04:57.36 | Phated | Wyzard: There are "newbies" around who've installed Debian, come on, it's not that hard at all. |
| 04:57.51 | Wyzard | Phated: Oh, I know... I was one of them, once |
| 04:58.12 | rich_ | wols computer professionals don't mind paying more. Just like a professional painter doesn't mind buying better paint brushes then an amatuer |
| 04:58.21 | puff | Interesting, I just noticed that the main menu of the sarge installer has a "check the CD-ROM(s) integrity" |
| 04:58.29 | mwilson | Wyzard: You, on the other hand, think the same person who can't program his VCR should be building computers. |
| 04:58.36 | Phated | Yeah, so? What's your point here? You say that d-i is easier, but of course woody's install isn't that hard. |
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| 04:58.49 | Phated | Er above comment to Wyzard, |
| 04:58.54 | puff | However, selecting it and selecting "Yes" for "I really want to check" jsut takes me back to the main menu. |
| 04:58.56 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't think he *should*, but I think that if he wants to learn, he should have the opportunity to do so |
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| 04:59.05 | simonrvn | woody's installer was described as so easy that a chicken could pick its way through |
| 04:59.08 | useruser | puff: you must have a duff one :P |
| 04:59.17 | Phated | simonrvn: Yeah, with the enter key? :) |
| 04:59.22 | simonrvn | yup |
| 04:59.24 | wols | rich_: everybody minds paying more, at least when the economy is based on capitalism |
| 04:59.28 | mwilson | Wyzard: Fine. Then let him learn. When you find one of them who's actually interested in learning, let everyone know. |
| 04:59.31 | Always | with force, xfree86 in default? |
| 04:59.33 | Phated | Yeah exactly it's not -that- hard at all. |
| 04:59.43 | Wyzard | Phated: D-I is friendlier... hardware detection since choosing modules by hand is tedious even if you know which ones you need; that sort of thing |
| 04:59.50 | vladkao | puff: redownload the iso |
| 04:59.54 | Phated | Hardware detection. Hah. |
| 04:59.58 | kaplanfx | is it just me or does khtml seem to render most pages better than firefox these days? |
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| 05:00.05 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: But of course then you cut any learning out of the picture. |
| 05:00.08 | kaplanfx | er gecko rather than firefox et al |
| 05:00.13 | zinx | kaplanfx: definitely just you |
| 05:00.18 | paspourtoi | kaplanfx: it's just you |
| 05:00.25 | Phated | kaplanfx: Just you, FF works as well as ever. |
| 05:00.27 | mwilson | kaplanfx: Pretty much anything works better than KHTML, it being KDE and all. |
| 05:00.29 | Wyzard | mwilson: And I've said before, I think there are more than you realize :-) |
| 05:00.33 | Phated | Wyzard: I needed to load a sum total of -one-, ONE module. |
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| 05:00.42 | scarynetworkguy | Hell if you can't get through the installer htf are you going to run the system once you do get it installed. |
| 05:00.50 | wols | scarynetworkguy: true, but once upon a time, people needed to be programmers to be able to use a computer. do you want to go back to those times? |
| 05:00.58 | useruser | scarynetworkguy: /join #debian, of course :) |
| 05:01.00 | simonrvn | it just does a pci scan, and has a small db to match the pci devices to to udebs needed. not hard. the hard part is choosing which bits are essential, and then loading up the needed stuff |
| 05:01.03 | kaplanfx | hmm weird |
| 05:01.17 | Phated | simonrvn: What, you mean like discover and hotplug do? ;) |
| 05:01.20 | Wyzard | Phated: I never load any, since I always compile my own custom kernel immediately afterward... but the general attitude here is "don't compile a custom kernel, use one of the prebuilt ones" |
| 05:01.27 | Phated | Rather, are supposed to do. |
| 05:01.30 | puff | So how many people agree with vladkao's suggestion to re-download the ISO? |
| 05:01.43 | simonrvn | Phated: yes. by your wink, i can tell you knew this already |
| 05:01.52 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: Well, if you can't get through the installer you'll never learn any more... if you do get it installed, you at least have something to experiment with |
| 05:01.57 | simonrvn | puff: if the image is fucked, re-download |
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| 05:02.03 | wols | Wyzard: sometimes I need a module for installing, then I choose one |
| 05:02.08 | seb | hi |
| 05:02.09 | puff | wols I have winrar installed and running and have opened the ISO, but simonrvn says sarge doesn't have basedebs. |
| 05:02.13 | puff | simonrvn How do I determine this? |
| 05:02.16 | useruser | puff: md5sum the iso by hand. maybe the checking stuff in d-i is just not done |
| 05:02.26 | Phated | Wyzard: Sooo? I compile my own kernel fine. The general attitude here to use a prebuilt one because there are -many- people who can't bloody compile their kernel with instructions given them like "make sure you compile in your root fs". |
| 05:02.28 | simonrvn | sarge is udeb based - even more than woody |
| 05:02.35 | Phated | simonrvn: Heh. I'll just not wink next time, eh? :) |
| 05:02.38 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: Yeah but who are these fucktards that can't make it through the installer. I've never talked with a single person who had a problem that could not be solved by thinking for a few seconds. |
| 05:02.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: Most of the problems Windows machines have can be traced directly to the incompetents who install them. Why do you think a Linux install would be any different? |
| 05:02.49 | wols | puff: sorry to have misinformed you then |
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| 05:02.52 | rich_ | wols Unix is not a choice like windows is. I, and a lot of other people use linux because we have no choice. Therefore, there is no danger of windows hurting the linux market. There is however a huge danger of linux takeing too much from the windows market. |
| 05:02.53 | simonrvn | Phated: hehe |
| 05:02.58 | Phated | simonrvn: :) |
| 05:03.13 | jik | i want to search for all suid binaries on my system...how can i do that |
| 05:03.19 | rich_ | They can switch to us. we can't switch to them |
| 05:03.27 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: They've got people like Wyzard telling them they shouldn't have to think. |
| 05:03.29 | Nwallins | mwilson: the point is that there is hope for some people. incompetence can be temporary state |
| 05:03.31 | rich_ | think of that in immigration terms |
| 05:03.37 | seb | i've two video card nvidia 1 AGP quadro4 980 XGL (2screens) & 1 PCI quadro4 nvs (4 screens) |
| 05:03.38 | wols | simonrvn: what does d-i use instead of basedebs.tar.gz then? |
| 05:03.43 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: Far far too true. |
| 05:03.46 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 05:03.49 | solar_ | linux rocks!! |
| 05:03.49 | Wyzard | mwilson: Oh, shut up and stop putting words in my mouth |
| 05:03.52 | seb | how can i get them up ? |
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| 05:04.18 | carsonc | nolan, Linux sucks. It just sucks less than a lot of other things. |
| 05:04.19 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: That is pretty much what you said. That people should not have to remember a partition scheme for a few seconds. |
| 05:04.20 | carsonc | ACK |
| 05:04.23 | Phated | Nwallins: With something -that- easy that does all the work for them... I don't see incompetence being anything less than permanent. |
| 05:04.24 | carsonc | stupid nick completion |
| 05:04.28 | carsonc | s/nolan/No |
| 05:04.50 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 05:04.51 | simonrvn | EXTRAVERSION = -rc2-bk6 |
| 05:04.51 | simonrvn | NAME=Woozy Numbat |
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| 05:05.02 | rich_ | Not everyone is capable of being polite. |
| 05:05.08 | Nwallins | i haven't seen the new woody installer. the old one wasn't that tough.. but the *first* time you do something, it's a lot tougher than it really is |
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| 05:05.18 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: Memorizing isn't thinking... what benefit do they gain by having to buffer that information in their head rather than having it remembered in RAM? |
| 05:05.18 | rich_ | everyone does what they are able. |
| 05:05.33 | simonrvn | Nwallins: eh? new woody installer? there is none. new sarge one maybe |
| 05:05.37 | Phated | Woody's installer was easy enough. *shrugs* |
| 05:05.42 | Nwallins | simonrvn: right |
| 05:06.03 | simonrvn | nothing a bit of RTFM can't fix |
| 05:06.05 | Nwallins | i guess i was thinking 'stable' installer |
| 05:06.12 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: If they can't buffer that info for that amount of time the installer has no business making it seem like they can run a system. |
| 05:06.29 | wols | old potato installer with dselect at the end, THAT was scary to newbies |
| 05:06.34 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: It's not an issue of capability |
| 05:06.34 | wols | woody is a piece of cake |
| 05:06.40 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: Yes yes it is. |
| 05:06.43 | simonrvn | well, sarge is going stable soon. i actually fetched a Packages file from sarge/ssecurity a few days ago |
| 05:07.01 | Phated | Nice. |
| 05:07.06 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: No, it isn't. Just because they CAN doesn't mean they SHOULD HAVE TO |
| 05:07.06 | simonrvn | showed as new in aptitude |
| 05:07.09 | carsonc | Am I the only one that actually liked dselect the first time I used it? |
| 05:07.17 | Phated | Probably. :) |
| 05:07.18 | useruser | carsonc: i think so. |
| 05:07.19 | carsonc | It made sense! I can't say I care for aptitude. |
| 05:07.23 | mwilson | <shrug> I have no problem with dselect. |
| 05:07.25 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: Yes it does. |
| 05:07.26 | rich_ | I see updates in my sarge and I dont think they are comeing from marillat |
| 05:07.32 | Phated | Apt-get install > * |
| 05:07.41 | vladkao | carsonc: not that i like dselect, but i don't hate it :-) |
| 05:07.50 | wols | Phated: exactly |
| 05:08.03 | Phated | wols: Hmmm? The apt-get install one? |
| 05:08.04 | wols | Phated: sometimes one needs dpkg however |
| 05:08.04 | scarynetworkguy | dselect is well known to cause cancer. |
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| 05:08.09 | wols | Phated: yes |
| 05:08.17 | Phated | wols: apt-get -is- a frontend to dpkg, is it not? |
| 05:08.22 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: By that reasoning, you shouldn't use the installer at all... use debootstrap directly, or better yet, ar and cp and tar and such |
| 05:08.24 | mwilson | I did the first time I ever saw it, back in the potato freeze era, but then I did the oddest thing... I actually bothered to learn how it worked. |
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| 05:08.31 | jeebes | so I'm trying to install the ati dri binaries for debian, I apt-getted them, but when I go to add the module to my kernel "make-kpkg --append-to-version 2.4.27-1-386 modules_image" I get an error at the end saying "Makefile:290: *** CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG needs to be enabled in the kernel. Stop." |
| 05:08.34 | jeebes | am I shot down |
| 05:08.57 | wols | Phated: it is. and dpkg is a frontend to /var/lib/dpkg for me :) |
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| 05:09.24 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: There is clearly a line. I think you place it to far on the "friendly" side. I think this because the new installer sacrafices power and control for beint "friendly". |
| 05:09.25 | wols | jeebes: what kernel do you use? for which CPU type? |
| 05:09.38 | spilo | hey guys.. I installed JRE and made a link in mozilla plugins directory to java plugin.. It is still not working .. plugin has execute for others too.. I dont know what else to do.. any help is appreciates |
| 05:09.40 | Phated | wols: Heh. |
| 05:09.44 | spilo | appreciated |
| 05:09.46 | spilo | :) |
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| 05:09.57 | wols | CMPXCHG is a x86 instruction which was introduced with the pentium or such, so a i386 kernel won't have it |
| 05:10.18 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: Now we're on the same page... I agree there's a point where something becomes "too friendly", but I don't think D-I has passed that point... not while it still has an expert mode and a root shell available on the second VT |
| 05:10.27 | wols | spilo: do other plugins from that directory work? what does about:plugins say? |
| 05:10.29 | cray2 | can someone help me set up printing? |
| 05:10.31 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: There's the power and control |
| 05:10.40 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard: It not only passed it you can't even see it from there. |
| 05:10.47 | jeebes | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 05:11.01 | mwilson | Wyzard: What are you going to do when all that is left are the clueless? |
| 05:11.21 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: If I wanted ultimate power and control over my installation at the expense of all else, I'd install Gentoo |
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| 05:11.40 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'd teach them :-) |
| 05:11.46 | spilo | wols: it does not say any java in it.. just flash 7.0 and shokwawe.. |
| 05:11.48 | sussudio | Wyzard: watching gcc lines scroll by all day is power? |
| 05:11.49 | Wyzard | mwilson: but I'm not too worried about that ever hapening |
| 05:12.01 | cray2 | bah i cannot get any help here |
| 05:12.06 | Wyzard | sussudio: You bet it is, if they include all your custom optimization flags ;-) |
| 05:12.09 | rich_ | People who think debian is hard to install need to try a real unix. In fact, make it easy on yourself, go for x86 solaris. It askes you excactly what it needs to know to give you a decent installation, no more, no less, almost any dist of linux is very easy by comparison, to install. The point is, before you critisize the installation, you need to recognize first, your not in kansas anymore, and second, linux is the best there is. |
| 05:12.11 | wols | scarynetworkguy: Imho, computer programs can be as friendly as they want, so friendly even my grandma can use it, as long as I can remove all that crud and get enough power if I need it. d-i, debootstrap, etc is certainly powerful enough for me |
| 05:12.15 | rich_ | Theres none easier |
| 05:12.18 | jeebes | so does that mean I can't use these dri binaries? |
| 05:12.39 | scarynetworkguy | wols: yeah I guess. |
| 05:12.40 | useruser | !tell cray2 about cups setup |
| 05:12.50 | carsonc | Hey, the OS X install is user-friendly |
| 05:12.58 | spilo | wols: x-shockwawe-flash and futuresplash only... |
| 05:13.06 | spilo | and it sayes both are enabled.. |
| 05:13.08 | rich_ | critisizeing linux is like saying "the pyramids aren't big enough" |
| 05:13.19 | mwilson | Gods, CUPS sucks... it does so much, but it's so incredibly fragile it fscks up if you breathe on it hard. |
| 05:13.19 | carsonc | It only had two buttons: Install and Upgrade. |
| 05:13.55 | Wyzard | wols: There's a tradeoff... it's hard to make something *that* user-friendly without accidentally restricting its functionality at the same time |
| 05:13.59 | Wyzard | wols: not impossible, but hard |
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| 05:14.27 | wols | Wyzard: I know. which is why I never bother with userfriendliness in my own limited things |
| 05:14.37 | wols | not distributing stuff helps of course |
| 05:14.43 | rich_ | useruser Debian good, windows bad. |
| 05:14.53 | useruser | rich_: and the pyramids? |
| 05:15.01 | rich_ | useruser good enough. |
| 05:15.15 | rich_ | useruser pyramids, like linux, good enough. |
| 05:15.36 | useruser | allrighty |
| 05:16.43 | spilo | what can I do guys? |
| 05:17.05 | spilo | it does not show that java plugin is installed at all.. |
| 05:17.19 | sussudio | !irritate nemo |
| 05:17.20 | dpkg | nemo: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
| 05:17.37 | nemo | sussudio: thanks, we know you're an idiot now. |
| 05:17.54 | wols | nemo: what I like about dspam: it's written in C |
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| 05:18.20 | mwilson | godsbedamned stupid mutt |
| 05:18.22 | wols | what I dislike: it's crap to train as all purely server based solutions |
| 05:18.41 | mwilson | How does IMAP get so popular on *nix if there are no decent clients for it? |
| 05:18.42 | nemo | wols: yeah, that's looking most appealing. spamassassin, even with dspam/cspam, is bloaty as all buggery |
| 05:18.48 | Justin | jeebes: do you have a problem listening to what people say? |
| 05:18.49 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: mutt. |
| 05:18.52 | jeebes | so is there a way to enable the CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG in my 386 kernel? |
| 05:18.58 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's inherently superior independent of its client :-) |
| 05:19.03 | jeebes | what? |
| 05:19.26 | nemo | mutt supports imap nicely? what? |
| 05:19.26 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: mutt's IMAP support is so much of an obvious afterthought it's not even funny. |
| 05:19.28 | Justin | jeebes: do you have a 386? |
| 05:19.31 | Wyzard | jeebes: No, you'd need a kernel optimized for a newer processor |
| 05:19.35 | wols | jeebes: just get a kernel for your CPU (P3, P4, K7, whatever). Then it should be enabled |
| 05:19.43 | Justin | mwilson: mutt+offlineimap works nice |
| 05:19.51 | zbowling | how many females are here? i know its off topic but I haven't seem to many lately |
| 05:19.53 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: It works. What more do you want? |
| 05:20.28 | jeebes | what do I want if I have a althlon xp proc |
| 05:20.28 | Wyzard | jeebes: K7 |
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| 05:20.28 | nemo | zbowling: they all pretend to be men, so they don't get hassled |
| 05:20.28 | mwilson | Justin: Uh, you DO realize that offlineimap kind of defeats the main reason to use IMAP in the first place, yes? |
| 05:20.28 | wols | zbowling: what is a female? and: you know that you're on IRC, right? |
| 05:20.28 | rich_ | zbowling My wife sits right next to me but she is watching thw izard of oz on tbs |
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| 05:20.28 | jeebes | and if I just apt-get the kernel image for it thats all I need |
| 05:20.29 | Justin | mwilson: not at all |
| 05:20.31 | rich_ | the wizard of oz |
| 05:20.45 | nemo | wols: how do you find dspam's false positive and caputre rate performance, esp in terms of the cliche 'grandma user' who wont want to put any effort into training |
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| 05:20.51 | Justin | mwilson: if you use $GUI_CLIENT you usually end up with a complete mirro of the imap mailbox anyway |
| 05:20.52 | wols | jeebes: get the -K7 kernel of your choosing |
| 05:21.06 | Justin | mwilson: except offlineimap lets you have an actual valid mirror |
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| 05:21.18 | jeebes | to 'get' it, I can just apt-get it? |
| 05:21.25 | cray2 | i've set my printer up twice and it refuses to print. it says client-error-not-possible when i try to print anything. what should i do? using cups... |
| 05:21.25 | wols | nemo: you simply don't do this. you give grandma thunderbird and tell her how to klick on that trash thing to mark spam |
| 05:21.30 | nemo | I assume offlineimap resync's any local changes to teh remote mirror when it's not offline... ? |
| 05:21.31 | mwilson | Justin: (a) I don't use $GUI_CLIENT, (b) whyinhell would I want a mirror of it? I might as well just POP it all. |
| 05:21.33 | zbowling | nemo: hahah.. bout right... IRC has not females... how man females can apt-get like the reset of us or that one think that will stay gender role based |
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| 05:21.52 | mwilson | Even for a GUI client, thunderbird is crap. |
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| 05:21.55 | nemo | wols: not so good for ISP though. as much as I'd like all customers to use thunderbird, it wont happen ;) |
| 05:21.55 | Justin | mwilson: because pop doesn't support multiple folders? |
| 05:22.04 | tomb0y | what would cause this.. i have hda3 which is my / when i turn off box, put in a ata card with no drives attached to it.. lilo states cant find root, like somehow the ata card is overriding the ide device list order.. is that abios setting? kernel setting etc ? |
| 05:22.15 | mwilson | Justin: It doesn't need to. |
| 05:22.25 | Justin | mwilson: because you don't think it needs to |
| 05:22.25 | hondje | I'm doing a net install of sarge from the hard drive. It runs perfectly until it starts downloading packaged 'rootskel', at which point it freezes. opening a shell shows that the wget process is sleeping. Any thoughts on what I should try to get it going again? |
| 05:22.35 | jeebes | ok so I'm aptgeting the a kernel that is the same version as mine but with the k7, will I need to fool with my boot loader or reboot or anything>? |
| 05:22.36 | nemo | zbowling: to be serious for a moment though, I rarely unlurk in #afda, but the female geek ratio in my other channels (another server) is pretty high |
| 05:22.52 | mwilson | Justin: No, because it doesn't need to. I have no problem with having multiple folders for my mail... for this was procmail created. |
| 05:23.21 | Justin | mwilson: and how does procmail help with having the mail directoy stay in sync across multiple machiens? |
| 05:23.26 | mwilson | Justin: An IMAPd cant' do that on its own either, it needs procmail. |
| 05:23.27 | wols | nemo: ok, but I'm wary about such filters for irc, simply becuase even with 0,x% of false positives, the number of complaints can be positively HUGE |
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| 05:23.51 | zbowling | nemo: I have on our site for our ISP customer site, a custom version of thunderbird with our logos and our email servers built in automatically.. |
| 05:24.00 | nemo | wols: for isp, I assume? ye? :) ...and yeah, that is a concernm... |
| 05:24.05 | mwilson | Justin: The main advantage of IMAP is that the mail stays in one place. Why would I want multiple potentially inconsistent mirrors of it? |
| 05:24.09 | rich_ | You know I took a few classes in community college, and it seems to me, a decent percentage of my teachers and and other students were female. It also ocuurs to me that most people on irc don't say whether they are male or female. |
| 05:24.11 | wols | tomb0y: bios setting most likely |
| 05:24.20 | mark | can anyone here help me i am trying to install bittorrent using apt and i am getting this error everytime i try to do it perl: warning: setting locale failed. does anyone know how i can fix this problem? |
| 05:24.28 | mwilson | Justin: offlineimap is just a response to "mutt imap sucks". |
| 05:24.42 | rich_ | And aside from cable pullers, computers is not a sexist field |
| 05:24.43 | Wyzard | mark: That looks like a warning, not an error... shouldn't be fatal |
| 05:24.47 | Justin | mwilson: because it is OFFLINE |
| 05:24.50 | zbowling | our ISP sends out custom versions of firefox and thunderbird with our logos and sites as default... |
| 05:24.58 | Justin | mwilson: as in, laptop without internet connection or such |
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| 05:25.10 | wols | rich_: yes, but on tech related channels like this one, the female ratio is always almost nil |
| 05:25.15 | rich_ | for some wierd reason there is very few feamale cable pullers |
| 05:25.31 | zu22 | male/female ratio in online games also rather low |
| 05:25.36 | zu22 | and in USENET posts |
| 05:25.37 | nemo | zbowling: this ISp is a bit too small to bother with stuff like that (and the owners a bit too stingy too) |
| 05:25.47 | rich_ | wolsHow do you really know? Maybe they just prefer to not state their sexual orientation. |
| 05:25.51 | Wyzard | zu22: You mean rather high, if you write it as male/female :-) |
| 05:26.01 | zu22 | wyzard: doh ya :) |
| 05:26.11 | zbowling | hehe.. our ISP only has 1200 customers so we are really small... |
| 05:26.14 | Justin | mwilson: and offlineimap is fast, since you only have to run it once when you start reading your mail, and once when you are done, insead of requiring a persistant connection |
| 05:26.16 | mwilson | Justin: Besides, unless something has changed, offlineimap is maildir-only. |
| 05:26.21 | SymphonyX | [alberto] Hi |
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| 05:26.33 | SymphonyX | [alberto] Hola |
| 05:26.48 | wols | nemo: for me, the detection rate is good. haven't found a false positive yet, but I'm only a single guy, so it's a really small sample set |
| 05:26.48 | nemo | wols: thanks :) |
| 05:26.49 | Wyzard | mwilson: You don't like maildir? |
| 05:27.01 | mwilson | Wyzard: I choose not to use it. |
| 05:27.14 | mwilson | Wyzard: It holds no advantage for me. |
| 05:27.20 | nemo | wols: *nodnod* :) |
| 05:27.30 | wols | nemo: the best thing would be to test dspam first, or do what one of my freemail providers does: they mark all mails they think are spam with a X-Spam: header |
| 05:27.37 | mark | Wyzard well i seem to not be able to find a binary for the program or look at the man page. The man page error says i need to check my locales and there is some kind of a text file in a bittorrent file that says basicaly the same thing |
| 05:27.39 | wols | that way the customer can filter them on their own |
| 05:27.52 | Wyzard | mwilson: Fair enough... it's just that I don't think I've ever seen you actually praise anything, so I was curious :-) |
| 05:28.05 | nemo | personally, I'm a big fan of the gmail-style labelling of mail, so any single message can appear under multiple pre-set searches... but I'd prefer that locally |
| 05:28.17 | Wyzard | nemo: Evolution does that too |
| 05:28.24 | Justin | mbox is good for archives and append only mailing lists stuff, not so much for INBOX |
| 05:28.35 | nemo | Wyzard: yeah, I run that at work and it bugs me. partly cos it's slow, but mainly simply cvos it's gui |
| 05:28.40 | zbowling | the installer just changes the default user-chrome.xml values, nothing in firefox or thunderbird was changed to setup our custom sites and servers and logos in both products |
| 05:28.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: I generally avoid recommending software to people. It just gets you in trouble. |
| 05:28.53 | Wyzard | nemo: Well, I run GNOME, so I use it largely *because* it's GUI |
| 05:28.54 | Justin | nemo: evolution has done that for years |
| 05:29.10 | SymphonyX | Hi |
| 05:29.18 | SymphonyX | Where from all people ? |
| 05:29.27 | Wyzard | nemo: Anti-aliased proportional fonts are much more readable |
| 05:29.28 | nemo | and for simple email, evolution is so hideously overbloat it's not funny ;P |
| 05:29.45 | zbowling | i got xorg to work under debian sid under coLinux under windows... |
| 05:29.47 | zbowling | hehe |
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| 05:29.56 | Wyzard | nemo: Well, technically ot's "groupware", and email is just one aspect of that :-) |
| 05:30.01 | Wyzard | s/ot/it/ |
| 05:30.08 | nemo | Wyzard: sorry, I live inside screen, and rely on it. :P ...no gui for my primary personal email, thanks |
| 05:30.09 | mwilson | Proportional fonts for mail suck. Formatting goes to hell. |
| 05:30.23 | nemo | (I'd also hate to see evolutions performance on my 400meg of archived mail) |
| 05:30.39 | wols | zbowling: erm, you run an xserver under colinux? |
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| 05:30.41 | puff | Hm, okay, I appear to be in something of a quandary... |
| 05:30.42 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, plain-text mail gets displayed in a monospace font... but I'm not opposed to HTML mail |
| 05:30.47 | puff | I have a 200GB Western Digital drive. |
| 05:30.48 | xespilce | ... im trying to set up lpr to print using an hp 932c printer i have the driver installed but im having trouble finding out how to make the command print to the divice (it is connected via usb) |
| 05:30.53 | zbowling | wols: yep. Works great too... |
| 05:30.57 | puff | Woody appears to not be able to install on it. |
| 05:31.01 | nemo | I keep seeing "no html mail" as some kind of con for gmail. imho, it's a pro. |
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| 05:31.10 | puff | So I downloaded sarge netinst ISO from debian.org, but that appears to not boot. |
| 05:31.10 | Wyzard | xespilce: You probably need HPOJ for that... and check linuxprinting.org |
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| 05:31.23 | wols | zbowling: how can colinux have graphical output? That's just not possible imho |
| 05:31.24 | puff | So I downloaded, at somebody's suggestion, a sarge full disk ISO, which appeared to boot. |
| 05:31.27 | Justin | HTML email is fine, I would love to see email that used B, I, U, HR etc |
| 05:31.28 | mwilson | nemo: My ~/Mail is 492 mb... evocrap doesn't do too badly at reading it, but being GTK, it's incredibly slow at actually displaying any of it. |
| 05:31.30 | xespilce | Wyzard, thank you |
| 05:31.32 | puff | But then gave me this libpcre download error. |
| 05:31.33 | wols | X clients: fine. but not X server |
| 05:31.42 | zbowling | wols: go look at the screenshots on coLinux.org |
| 05:31.43 | seb | i've two video cards adn it seems that one of them is not "recognize", how can i remove xfree for reinstall it ? i think it's possible that it found it the next time :) |
| 05:31.58 | Justin | unfortunately "html email" almost always consists of 4k of a stylesheet to mangle a 80 byte message |
| 05:32.12 | Wyzard | nemo: I have nothing against consoles, but you have to admit that a 1600x1200 display with proportional fonts can fit a whole lot more information than an 80x25 text window :-) |
| 05:32.15 | mwilson | Justin: Don't forget the 100k neato background image. |
| 05:32.26 | nemo | mwilson: *nods* I assume evolution, with it's virtual mailboxes, stores mail data locally in some custom setup too... not mbox compat? :) |
| 05:32.27 | puff | mwilson Bundled in the mail? Of course not! |
| 05:32.33 | Wyzard | mwilson: bah, that's only in spam :-) |
| 05:32.44 | Justin | mwilson: I usually regularly hit "hide read messages" in evolution being too lazy to archive them, makes loading subfolders quite snappy |
| 05:32.45 | puff | Why include it in the message when you can force your victim's mail reader to connect to the net and fetch it. |
| 05:32.48 | wols | you mean http://www.colinux.org/screenshots/knoppix.png ? That clearly shows the Cygwin X server. It's NOT colinux which runs X. all it does is running X clients |
| 05:32.54 | Wyzard | nemo: No, it uses mbox files, plus indexing data stored in separate files |
| 05:33.15 | nemo | Wyzard: no argument there. I can't live without my GUI display. ...but I can't live without text apps in screen whcih I can reattach from anywhere either. (I can't stand 80x25 either, but 80x42 is OK :) |
| 05:33.17 | mwilson | nemo: It can't even manage its own index files without screwing up... I didn't bother messing with it after that. |
| 05:33.24 | puff | So anybody have any suggestions on my next step here? |
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| 05:33.35 | puff | Besides the obvious, I guess, which is "buy a smaller drive". |
| 05:33.50 | wols | puff: what version of the boot kernel do you use? |
| 05:33.57 | wols | and you better not tell me "2.2"... |
| 05:34.02 | Justin | mwilson: i love seeng outlook make email like <span><div><b> </b></div></span> |
| 05:34.07 | puff | I was trying woody 2.4 before. |
| 05:34.11 | Wyzard | mwilson: I haven't had problems with evolution's indexing, except when editing the mbox file out from under it |
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| 05:34.36 | nemo | oh well. *shrugs* |
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| 05:34.47 | nemo | no biggie really |
| 05:34.49 | wols | 2.4 included support for disks > 137GB in 2.4.18, but I would use the latest 2.4 kernels I could get on those bootfloppies |
| 05:34.53 | Wyzard | nemo: If you delete the index file, it'll regenerate it, but that takes time so it's probably not worth it |
| 05:34.57 | zbowling | I've got every email i ever received since 1991 in one spot... converted from Minux to System V in 1993, then to BSD in 1995, and to linux in 1998.. |
| 05:35.03 | puff | woody 2.4 netinst, it failed at the base install step. |
| 05:35.03 | nemo | Wyzard: exactly. and too much manual work |
| 05:35.05 | Justin | nemo: I used to use evolution pointed at local maildirs, it was one of the few gui clients that could just read a maildir |
| 05:35.25 | mwilson | Wyzard: I install evocrap. There IS NO ~/.evolution directory, where it keeps the indexes. So it creates it. Of course, for the next eternity it spews to STDERR about how ~/.evolution is messed up, despite IT having been what CREATED it. |
| 05:35.26 | Justin | nemo: and evo+mutt+(imapd+squirrelmail) all worked fine at the same time |
| 05:35.38 | wols | puff: and what kind of error? couldn't find basedebs.tar.gz (and woody DOES have that file)? |
| 05:35.52 | Wyzard | nemo: You can also just turn off indexing |
| 05:35.53 | mwilson | Wyzard: Gnome apps are all like that. |
| 05:36.12 | zbowling | 9 gigs of emails since 1991 |
| 05:36.17 | nemo | Justin: yeah, but the indexing seems to the what gives evo the vmailboxes, whcih is to date, the only reason I know that I'd run it... |
| 05:36.27 | Wyzard | mwilson: true, many apps do spew a lot of GTK warnings and such, but as long as they work, I don't really care much |
| 05:36.36 | nemo | zbowling: impressive. I usually dump mailing list archives after a year or two |
| 05:36.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: evocrap isn't spewing GTK warnings. |
| 05:36.52 | nemo | zbowling: I have personal email going back to 1995 or so, but not *all* of it |
| 05:36.56 | puff | No, hours of grief... lemme see, when I install, I get as far as installing lilo, then reboot, and kit gives me: "Boot from ATAPI CDROM : Failure... \n DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER." |
| 05:37.03 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's whining about its indexes, despite it being what created them. |
| 05:37.11 | zbowling | i just could never get rid of it all |
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| 05:37.19 | cray2 | ok guys i got cups and all that working now |
| 05:37.19 | puff | Somebody here, last night/this morning, suggested booting from the installer CD, and: boot: rescbf24 root=/dev/hda1 |
| 05:37.22 | zbowling | always felt I should keep it.. |
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| 05:37.26 | cray2 | but i have this problem : |
| 05:37.26 | puff | Which got me up as far as a kernel panic. |
| 05:37.27 | brluziuxi | ctcp brluziuxi ping |
| 05:37.28 | cray2 | "Connection failed with error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED" |
| 05:37.28 | cray2 | Device URI: smb://warehouse/laserjet |
| 05:37.32 | cray2 | what should i do? |
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| 05:37.40 | rich_ | I hate to say this, because as a strictly personal user, on a strictly personal computer, I like bloat. I like things that are so big that all of my recources are devoted to me, and I'll just not run anything else at the same time. But evolution is too bloated, even for me. try xfmail |
| 05:37.41 | wols | puff: that only works if you already have a working debian on /dev/hda1 |
| 05:37.49 | puff | Er, wait, no, THAT got the same result, "Boot from ATAPI CDROM : Failure etc.." |
| 05:38.13 | wols | puff: so your CDROM is not bootable? |
| 05:38.24 | wols | puff: old PC (Pentium or so?) |
| 05:38.25 | Wyzard | mwilson: I would guess that it's complaining because they're missing (certainly a form of corruption) and then creating them... since that's generally a one-time thing, it's not worth the programming effort to make it tell the difference between one-time initialization and when an index actually *has* gone missing |
| 05:38.27 | nemo | rich_: you want windows then? |
| 05:38.45 | puff | wols no, this was after installing LILO. |
| 05:39.00 | mwilson | Wyzard: You're not listening. If it complains that they're not there, and creates them, fine. If it whines every time you launch it, it's *broken*. |
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| 05:39.04 | puff | So then I plugged the disk back in and tried bootin with that as a rescue disk, which gave me a kernel panic. |
| 05:39.06 | puff | So then I tried boot: rescbf24 root=/dev/hda1 init=/bin/sh |
| 05:39.11 | puff | Which also gave me a kernel panic. |
| 05:39.13 | Wyzard | mwilson: ah... you didn't say it was doing it every time |
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| 05:39.36 | rich_ | nemo I said evolution is too bloated. Never tried windows. I mean Ive used some of its apps, but I was unable to examine the actual windows code and so I dont know what is wrong with it |
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| 05:39.40 | wols | puff: I don't get your problem... do you have probs to boot from CD, from HDD, or probs installing basedebs.tar.gz? |
| 05:39.45 | puff | It's a PI-400 on an asus p2b. |
| 05:39.57 | rich_ | I don't think it is open |
| 05:40.09 | simonrvn | btw, looks like ohio electoral counts are waaaaaaaay off |
| 05:40.10 | nemo | rich_: heh. I like my apps to consume *just enough* resources to do what I want and no more, thus giving me breathing room if anythign on the system needs more. :) |
| 05:40.10 | puff | wols, with woody, using the netinst CD, I got as far as installing lilo on MBR, then trying to reboot (removing the CD). |
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| 05:40.15 | mwilson | Of course, GTK apps of any complexity are so dead-dog-slow on UI performance that they're painful to use in any case. |
| 05:40.27 | Wyzard | mwilson: Starting evolution-2.0, I get some warnings about missing icons in my icon theme, six lines of "load http 0 now=0", and that's it |
| 05:40.48 | puff | That got me the first "ATAPI CDROM : Failure" error, presumably it couldn't find LILO and tried to boot from CD/floppy, and of course not finding anything in the drives gave me that error. |
| 05:41.01 | wols | puff: ok, when you're at that stage rescue bootparameter you quoted before will work |
| 05:41.06 | Wyzard | mwilson: I run full GNOME on an athlon 800 and it's not that bad... the main issue is redraw lag when moving windows around, but that'll be remedied by xorg with its compositing |
| 05:41.11 | puff | Er, yes, except that it didnt. |
| 05:41.17 | puff | It gave me a kernel panic. |
| 05:41.22 | r3dw0rm999 | hello, is there a way to reinvoke the installer that comes up on first boot of a debian system? |
| 05:41.31 | rich_ | And of course, when you start evolution, and exit it, and go back to useing your less bloated stuff, it leaves something running that you have to explictely kill yourself. |
| 05:41.36 | puff | "Warning: unable to open an initial console \n Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel." |
| 05:41.39 | mwilson | Wyzard: You can actually see evocrap repaint a window when it displays a message in the preview window. |
| 05:41.45 | rich_ | I'd call that a demon :) |
| 05:41.50 | wols | puff: what kernel did that CD boot? |
| 05:41.53 | puff | And when I tried passing init=/bin/sh, it still gave me that exact same error. |
| 05:41.53 | rich_ | or a memory leak |
| 05:42.00 | puff | 2.4, IRRC. |
| 05:42.08 | puff | I could certainly try it again. |
| 05:42.16 | Justin | puff: point it at the right partition. |
| 05:42.35 | mwilson | Wyzard: Regarding compositing... oh, yeah, making the whole UI as slow as the GTk apps will definately be an improvement... you won't see the contrast then. |
| 05:42.48 | wols | install that woody netinst again, then go to 2md console with alt+f2 and check if there is a sbin/init anywhere on the target |
| 05:42.48 | puff | Justin you mean maybe like: boot: rescue root=/dev/hda1 init=/bin/sh |
| 05:42.55 | puff | which got me a kernel panic. |
| 05:42.56 | wols | just before you reboot for the first time |
| 05:43.04 | k00giez | whats the command to know which module is loaded pls? |
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| 05:43.13 | Justin | puff: "a kernel panic" is completely meaningless |
| 05:43.23 | puff | Er, which got me the exact same kernel panic error as before. |
| 05:43.39 | Wyzard | mwilson: It'll be faster with compositing, because exposing a window no longer requires sending that window a message, requiring the process to wake up and issue some drawing commands, only to do it again a quarter-second later |
| 05:43.39 | MobyTurbo | k00giez: lsmod |
| 05:43.42 | puff | Justin Funny, that's what I thought to myself when I read that :-). |
| 05:43.47 | puff | Sorry, been a frustrating weekend. |
| 05:44.16 | mwilson | Wyzard: I think you mean damage, not composite. |
| 05:44.17 | wols | puff: and the sarge installer gave you errors while installing? |
| 05:44.21 | Justin | puff: what is your actual problem? |
| 05:44.25 | puff | wols, yeah, the libpcre problem. |
| 05:44.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: Composite is an incredibly stupid idea. |
| 05:44.51 | puff | Justin: I have a pii-400, asusp2b, 200GB western digital drive. I am trying to get debian installed and running on it. |
| 05:45.01 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, damage is what tells the compositing manager that something needs to be redrawn... compositing is what actually draws it |
| 05:45.19 | zbowling | my system gdm works great under coLInux |
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| 05:45.22 | wols | puff: your BIOS can handle 200GB drives? you positively sure about that? |
| 05:45.36 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't think compositing is a stupid idea, and I'd point to OSX as proof that it can provide good responsiveness |
| 05:45.50 | wols | zbowling: sure, because gdm is only a x client. the X server is cygwin XFree86, right? |
| 05:46.00 | mwilson | Wyzard: All this to mask the fact that GTK performance gets worse every time Gnome does something to it. |
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| 05:46.27 | Guerin | Wyzard: osx eyecandy is mostly done in hardware, isn't it? |
| 05:46.29 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'm not very interested in transparent-window eyecandy, but I do think soft shadows behind windows would be nice -- they make it easier to perceive the Z-order |
| 05:46.39 | jasonf | If I apt-get remove something, and "gnome" is listed as going out with it -- does that remove all of gnome or just the gnome meta-package? |
| 05:46.47 | wols | Guerin: only in latest versions. original OSX was software only |
| 05:46.57 | Wyzard | Guerin: The alpha blending might be, but I don't think they have a special window-manager chip |
| 05:47.16 | Guerin | jasonf: just the metapackage - but if you see a whole lot of gnome libs going too, be happy! gnome is going where it should! |
| 05:47.19 | puff | wols, no, I am not sure of that. Somebody here said that debian could handle it. |
| 05:47.28 | jasonf | Guerin: I was just checking |
| 05:47.29 | Wyzard | mwilson: eh, it's getting more complex... slowdown is inevitable |
| 05:47.31 | simonrvn | Justin: that's called the spinning beachball of death |
| 05:47.46 | wols | puff: doesn't matter: if you want to boot from a disk, the BIOS needs to be able to handle it |
| 05:47.50 | Wyzard | mwilson: On the whole, I find it not that bad |
| 05:48.00 | Guerin | Wyzard: on what hardware? |
| 05:48.03 | wols | my old 486 could access the 40GB disk under linux just fine, but it never ever could boot from it |
| 05:48.06 | puff | wols, I don't want to boot from a disk, I just want to install debian . |
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| 05:48.16 | mwilson | Wyzard: Once Gnome got control of GTK, degradation was inevitable. |
| 05:48.18 | Wyzard | Guerin: Athlon 800 with PC133 RAM... nothing state-of-the-art |
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| 05:48.34 | wols | puff: you want to boot from that 200GB disk, at least you installed lilo on it which is pretty clear proof of that... |
| 05:48.39 | Guerin | Wyzard: fair enough. |
| 05:48.55 | Justin | puff: so... what is your actual problem? |
| 05:48.59 | bazz | is there a way i can have my usb drive automagically mounted when i plug it in? |
| 05:49.03 | puff | wols,Oh, sorry, mis-read your comment as "if you want to boot from a (cd-rom) disc" |
| 05:49.10 | Guerin | bazz: hotplug etc can handle that |
| 05:49.15 | puff | Or floppy. |
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| 05:49.32 | bazz | Guerin: is there a doc about how to do that somewhere? |
| 05:49.33 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, it's the inevitable dilemma that making software more "general" (handling a wider variety of use cases) necessarily makes it more complex |
| 05:49.38 | puff | Hm, okay, so it pretty much boils down to, get a smaller disk, install debian on that, use the 200gb disk as a secondary disk. |
| 05:49.54 | mwilson | Wyzard: it's a *widget set*, not an application. |
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| 05:49.56 | wols | puff: if you boot from CD or floppy, the linux kernel will muddle through without bios support, that's true |
| 05:50.07 | wols | it will need the proper "root=" statement however |
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| 05:50.16 | Wyzard | mwilson: Look at the complexity of Web browsers now that they have to support CSS2 and Javascript and such |
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| 05:50.21 | nuix | why latex complains that he cannot find needed fonts |
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| 05:50.26 | Guerin | bazz: the hotplug docs probably tell about it. You might find some example scripts on google. I don't use hotplug myself, so I can't much help you. |
| 05:50.33 | puff | wols Well, short of going out and getting a smaller disk (which I can't do now, since it's 1am), is there anything I can do? |
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| 05:50.38 | nuix | when i compile tex file |
| 05:50.44 | wols | and you need 2.4.18 or later. maybe even that is not enough, not sure when LBA48 support was introduced |
| 05:50.45 | mwilson | Wyzard: Which is why I use lynx. |
| 05:50.47 | wols | !lba48 |
| 05:50.50 | mwilson | Wyzard: I don't care aboug |
| 05:50.55 | mwilson | Wyzard: I don't care about any of those. |
| 05:50.55 | bazz | Guerin: okay, thanks |
| 05:51.06 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's a widget set, but my statement still applies... for example, the new file selector dialog in GTK can be extended by apps to show additonal app-specific widgets. That adds complexity. |
| 05:51.15 | Justin | puff: how about you actually explain what your problem is! |
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| 05:51.26 | Guerin | that fucking file selector is an evil bastardisation of a thing |
| 05:51.29 | wols | puff: install woody netinst (I always use people.debian.org/~blade : small, 2.4 based only) |
| 05:51.30 | Justin | amazing how people can throw out random suggestions before actually having a clue what the problem is |
| 05:51.39 | puff | Justin I'm not sure what I have left out. |
| 05:51.40 | iCandy | hi i am trying to remove an application from apt-get.. i dont know how, so i can install a newer version |
| 05:51.44 | Guerin | it basically presumes a path depth no greater than three directories |
| 05:51.45 | wols | and before rebooting, go to 2nd console and double check that everything which is needed is there |
| 05:51.46 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't care about JavaScript too much since it's mostly used in interactive web applications, which is a concept that I think is an ugly hack, but CSS lets Web pages look more like print media, which I think is a win |
| 05:51.50 | mwilson | That new file selector is a prime example of Gnome stupidity. |
| 05:51.57 | wols | like /sbin/init, /bin/sh, etc |
| 05:52.01 | Justin | puff: what is the problem? |
| 05:52.04 | Guerin | iCandy: apt-get install <newversion> |
| 05:52.05 | mwilson | Wyzard: I don't care what web pages look like. |
| 05:52.07 | Wyzard | mwilson: Why, because they got rid of the filename text box? |
| 05:52.15 | puff | <puff> Justin: I have a pii-400, asusp2b, 200GB western digital drive. I am trying to get debian installed and running on it. |
| 05:52.18 | mwilson | Wyzard: I care whether or not they have content I want. |
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| 05:52.33 | Justin | mwilson: the old fiel selector was a prime example of a shitty widget having too much momentum |
| 05:52.47 | mwilson | Justin: Perhaps, but the new one is worse. |
| 05:52.47 | Justin | puff: "I am trying to install debian" is not a problemn |
| 05:52.50 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: apt-get remove, are you sure however that you want to install something outside of the packaging system? |
| 05:52.51 | Wyzard | mwilson: I care about that, but also about whether reading it becomes painful after a while :-) |
| 05:53.10 | puff | Justin That's the problem I'm trying to solve :-). |
| 05:53.24 | Justin | puff: insert cd, press enter a lot. |
| 05:53.29 | Wyzard | lol |
| 05:53.33 | puff | Maybe you joined the channel after I went over the eighty-eight different things I've tried so far. |
| 05:53.51 | puff | I started with a woody netisntall CD. |
| 05:54.02 | puff | It got as far as "install lilo on MBR", then remove CD and reboot. |
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| 05:54.18 | mwilson | Wyzard: That's the beauty of it... it's never painful because you have ONE interpretation of what text looks like, rather than a hundred different ones created by a hundred different morons. |
| 05:54.31 | Justin | puff: and? |
| 05:54.56 | puff | On booting up, it gave me "ATAPI CDROM : Failure" |
| 05:55.00 | MobyTurbo | puff: do you have LBA32 enabled in your BIOS? Can your ancient PII-400 BIOS really handle a 200GB hard drive? |
| 05:55.03 | wols | Wyzard: that remark from Justin concludes the debian installer conundrum nicely, don't you think? |
| 05:55.26 | Justin | puff: that sure sounds like a BIOS error message, not a linux one |
| 05:55.26 | puff | MobyTurbo We just went over that.... no, it can't. Somebody here, the other night, told me that Debian could. |
| 05:55.30 | puff | But it's looking like it can't. |
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| 05:55.36 | Wyzard | wols: If it were literally true, maybe |
| 05:55.37 | Guerin | actually, you don't even need to press enter a lot nowadays |
| 05:55.43 | wols | MobyTurbo: LBA32 he definitely has, it's LBA48 which is the problem |
| 05:55.50 | Vinland | If I wanted to upgrade my phpbb2 software what command would it be? apt-get upgrade phpbb2 ? |
| 05:55.51 | puff | Justin: I ran through the CD installation process, it told me to remove the CD and reboot, when I did so, I got that. |
| 05:55.57 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's absolutely wonderful that a craptastic site like csszengarden looks exactly the same no matter which link I select. |
| 05:56.00 | Guerin | three or four times, plus a root pass and a couple other trivialities is all that's needed for most ssane systems |
| 05:56.05 | wols | puff: it can, or the installer would have balked |
| 05:56.16 | Trev_ | Vinland - phpbb2 you have to dl and install I belive.. |
| 05:56.28 | cray2 | where can i find a massive package of fonts for linux? |
| 05:56.31 | Trev_ | phpbb is apt-getable.. |
| 05:56.31 | puff | I do not know for sure, but my suspicion is that it didn't find LILO, and looked for a CD or floppy to boot from, and gave me that error when it couldn't find one. |
| 05:56.47 | Justin | puff: so then you should have still been able to boot the install on the drive off the cd, sounds like you wre giving the rescue mode the wrong pattition |
| 05:56.55 | Wyzard | mwilson: You don't have "a hundred different [interpretations]" of what it should look like if you use a standards-compliant browser... |
| 05:57.02 | wols | puff: that is correct. cause your BIOS doesn't have LBA48 support |
| 05:57.10 | Vinland | trev - when I do a simple apt-get upgrade ...it lists phpbb2 as one of the packages thats updatable. I don't want to update all packages, just my phpbb2 |
| 05:57.28 | wols | Vinland: apt-get install phpbb2 |
| 05:57.30 | mwilson | Wyzard: Oh, please. I'm not talking about a hundred different interpretations of a single page, and you know that perfectly well. |
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| 05:57.34 | Trev_ | Ahh.. kewl.. I DL'd it a couple months back.. did it myself.. |
| 05:57.45 | wols | it will detect that there is a newer version of it and install if (if it is in fact newer) |
| 05:57.45 | walnuck | hi |
| 05:57.48 | Trev_ | manually... guess its out there now.. |
| 05:57.57 | walnuck | is xorg really replacing xfree86 for good? |
| 05:57.57 | Wyzard | mwilson: No, that's what it sounded like you were saying, though I understand now |
| 05:58.01 | mwilson | Wyzard: I'm talking about a hundred morons, each of whom is convinced they're the next Picasso of design. |
| 05:58.11 | puff | Justin: /dev/hda1 was the boot partition. |
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| 05:58.18 | wols | walnuck: it is, but it will take some time (after sarge is released) |
| 05:58.23 | MobyTurbo | cray2: apt-cache search font |
| 05:58.27 | Vinland | wols - hmm I just did an apt-get install of it. |
| 05:58.27 | Trev_ | <-- is the next Picasso of design. |
| 05:58.28 | walnuck | wols: ok |
| 05:58.30 | lu7dfv | mwilson: Picasso was not a designer but a painter =) |
| 05:58.35 | Trev_ | Picasso of design. |
| 05:58.45 | Justin | puff: its root=/dev/hda1, not boot=/dev/hda1, you give it the root partition, not the /boot partition |
| 05:58.46 | Wyzard | mwilson: But aside from that, using a GUI browser also means you can see images (useful sometimes), and you can generally fit more information in the window due to proportional fonts and higher resolutions |
| 05:59.09 | puff | Ah... so the "/" partition? |
| 05:59.09 | Wyzard | mwilson: My technique for dealing with ugly websites is to not visit them :-) |
| 05:59.17 | mwilson | Wyzard: If the images are required, then the site is badly designed. |
| 05:59.23 | iCandy | how can i update my debian sources |
| 05:59.29 | wols | Justin: thanks. I didn't catch that before |
| 05:59.32 | Justin | puff: that is why it is root= |
| 05:59.37 | lu7dfv | mwilson: And since Picasso was a vanguardist, I don't want to imagine what could it be if designers design like Picasso |
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| 05:59.45 | MobyTurbo | iCandy: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 05:59.58 | Justin | wols: 00:41 < puff> "Warning: unable to open an initial console |
| 06:00.04 | Justin | wols: is what you get when init can't open /dev/console |
| 06:00.06 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't mean just images used as part of a site's layout |
| 06:00.16 | Wyzard | mwilson: For example: http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/images/global.html |
| 06:00.24 | Guerin | peterS: ping |
| 06:00.29 | peterS | Guerin? |
| 06:00.35 | wols | Justin: I usually get a variation of "can't mount root partition" when I do something foolish why using the rescue CD |
| 06:00.37 | Guerin | ah, here you are |
| 06:00.38 | cray2 | mobyturbo: thanks ! |
| 06:00.40 | Guerin | peterS: busy? |
| 06:00.44 | Wyzard | mwilson: Images aren't "required", but lack of images is kinda pointless when looking at the work of a graphics researcher :-) |
| 06:00.52 | peterS | Guerin: so-so. I should be busy but I've been slacking. why? |
| 06:01.36 | Guerin | peterS: I'm messing with cplayrc - madplay is MUCH faster than mpg321, and fixes the "pauses between tracks" issue |
| 06:01.45 | Justin | wols: yes, mounting and opening the console are two distinct things |
| 06:02.07 | Justin | Guerin: mpg123(the non-free one) is much faster than mpg321 |
| 06:02.14 | mwilson | Wyzard: I keep links2 around for when I need to look at such. |
| 06:02.18 | peterS | Guerin: so you think madplay should be tried first in the list? |
| 06:02.34 | Justin | Guerin: I used to use mpg123 with the realtime flag on my 75mhz sparc, would be able to play an mp3 perfectly even under load |
| 06:02.35 | Guerin | peterS: the thing I'm trying to do now is get a working line for shn files. The trouble is that there's no shn player for *nix - only a decompressor, the output of which you can pipe to play, or somesuch |
| 06:02.49 | mwilson | Wyzard: Links is a horrid console browser, but its GUI mode is usable. |
| 06:02.56 | Guerin | peterS: not necessarily; on modern hardware it shouldn't be too much of an issue. |
| 06:02.58 | Justin | Guerin: isn't there an xmms-shn plugin? |
| 06:03.04 | Guerin | Justin: wow, that IS a big difference. |
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| 06:03.17 | Wyzard | mwilson: I haven't used links in GUI mode... does it use proportional fonts? (preferably serif fonts...) |
| 06:03.17 | Guerin | Justin: if you can get xmms to workin in console, I'm all ears :) |
| 06:03.31 | Justin | Guerin: those I've never used the mad library, I would imagine it to be faster |
| 06:03.33 | SDFH_Linux | guys when i play streamtuner wit xmms i cant use realplayer |
| 06:03.35 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: links even has anti-aliasing |
| 06:03.40 | peterS | Guerin: you can put a pipeline into the cplayrc |
| 06:03.43 | SDFH_Linux | when i turn off xmms realplayer works |
| 06:03.45 | SDFH_Linux | what gives? |
| 06:03.46 | Guerin | Justin: yeah, the mad lib is all fixed-point |
| 06:03.54 | Justin | Guerin: start a xvfb server:-) |
| 06:04.10 | iCandy | i have bind9, how can i make ns name servers for my domain.. |
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| 06:04.41 | MobyTurbo | SDFH_Linux: OSS can't share the sound devices |
| 06:04.45 | Wyzard | mwilson: If links has a decent GUI mode and most of what you read is text then that's a workable solution... I thought you were talking about running it with monospaced fonts in a shell window, which is horrible in terms of readability |
| 06:04.48 | Guerin | peterS: well, the line that works in shell is shorten -x $file - | play - -t wav ; I sub %s in for $file, and it picks the tracks up, tries to play them, and skips to the next track after a couple seconds |
| 06:04.54 | mwilson | http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss11212204.png |
| 06:04.55 | Guerin | Justin: xvfb? |
| 06:04.59 | SDFH_Linux | so what i do mobyturbo? |
| 06:04.59 | jasonf | iCandy: that's something you have to do with your registar |
| 06:05.01 | Guerin | Justin: fake-X ? |
| 06:05.10 | wols | Guerin: virtual framebuffer. fun stuff |
| 06:05.12 | SDFH_Linux | do i have to take off oss |
| 06:05.12 | scarynetworkguy | iCandy: man bind and/or buy the ora book and/or get a DNS server that can be groked my mere mortals. Also see the DNS how to at http://www.tldp.org |
| 06:05.22 | Guerin | hrm, interesting... |
| 06:05.24 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, that's how I run lynx. I told you, links is a suck-ass console-mode browser. |
| 06:05.25 | peterS | Guerin: try with 'NoOffsetPlayer' if you aren't already doing so |
| 06:05.25 | iCandy | jasonf: I control all the DNS things. |
| 06:05.28 | MobyTurbo | SDFH_Linux: in the case of realplayer, live with it or use something brain-dead like esd. |
| 06:05.39 | iCandy | scarynetworkguy: Well thank ya |
| 06:05.46 | SDFH_Linux | but can i fix problem |
| 06:05.46 | jasonf | iCandy: you still gotta talk to your registar about it |
| 06:05.47 | scarynetworkguy | iCandy: np |
| 06:05.52 | wols | I once used it together with vnc to emulate screen for GUIs |
| 06:05.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: OK... like I said, I didn't realize you were using it in GUI mode |
| 06:05.54 | SDFH_Linux | or do i take off oss |
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| 06:06.01 | iCandy | jasonf: why so lol |
| 06:06.06 | jasonf | iCandy: to setup ns.foo.tld as your nameserver for foo.tld, and to point ns.foo.tld to your ip |
| 06:06.11 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, I am already. Will that syntax work? I wasn't sure if the pipe would cause trouble |
| 06:06.18 | Wyzard | mwilson: I use links/lynx as a text-only browser for when I'm logged in with SSH |
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| 06:06.46 | afra | how do I tell which apps are causing the server's load to jump up? |
| 06:06.55 | afra | is there a way to check this in top? |
| 06:06.59 | peterS | Guerin: it should work, but I'd have to check on it. cplay is interactive so it needs, if possible, to be able to read the playing time and move forward and backward arbitrarily. this is problematic with a pipeline |
| 06:07.05 | Guerin | afra: top, ps. Look for D processes in ps, especially. |
| 06:07.08 | iCandy | jasonf: LOL. You missed the point, thanks though |
| 06:07.08 | MobyTurbo | SDFH_Linux: I hear ALSA allows you to share sound devices, you can also run a sound daemon but that is not optimal. |
| 06:07.15 | jasonf | iCandy: sorry bro, lol |
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| 06:07.24 | SDFH_Linux | k |
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| 06:07.42 | spilo | I got java working on my box.. :) |
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| 06:07.44 | afra | Guerin, D Processes? |
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| 06:07.57 | TiMiDo | nice spilo |
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| 06:08.21 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, shn, particularly, doesn't really support seeking, or does so only as a dirty-hack feature. Perhaps there's a switch to tell it to ignore all that... |
| 06:08.42 | spilo | one thing though..It is for me only.. if there is another user he has to link to plugin of java.. how would I link it for everyone? lime major plugin dir? |
| 06:08.50 | Guerin | afra: processed in D mode, or Z mode. You'll see them if you have them. Man ps will tell you what they mean. |
| 06:09.01 | aldug | why doesn't this command work? find -name "*.php" -exec ls {} ; |
| 06:09.03 | TiMiDo | spilo ln -s directory |
| 06:09.06 | peterS | Guerin: I'll try and remember to check on this. this is one reason I think cplay needs to be rewritten to have the backend do decoding only, not direct playback |
| 06:09.08 | iCandy | scarynetworkguy: You think you can walk me through making a name server for me... its kinda tricky this man bind |
| 06:09.30 | Justin | iCandy: have your hosting provider setup a name server if you don't know how |
| 06:09.47 | Guerin | peterS: I'll mess around with it anyway. perhaps writing a shell script to do the decoding, and having cplay execute the shell script to play, might work. |
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| 06:09.54 | spilo | TiMiDo: I men I linked .mozilla in my home directory... |
| 06:09.56 | iCandy | Justin I am the hosting provider! LOL. |
| 06:09.58 | TiMiDo | ok, |
| 06:10.02 | dave_n | is there a good cli based app to resize all the jpg in a directory to say 50% of there size? |
| 06:10.02 | Justin | !tell aldug about doesn't work |
| 06:10.08 | spilo | for other users it wount work.. how would i set this globaly? |
| 06:10.10 | MrWh1t3 | anyone ever install a ati wonder tv tuner card under debian? |
| 06:10.15 | Guerin | dave_n: imagemagick's "mogrify" |
| 06:10.17 | TiMiDo | spilo the mozilla plugins, are not on the home though |
| 06:10.17 | MrWh1t3 | looking for some help on getting mine installed |
| 06:10.29 | Justin | dave_n: no, but there are a few that will resize to 50% of their size. |
| 06:10.41 | puff | God, I hate MBA/PXE. |
| 06:10.42 | scarynetworkguy | iCandy: Nope. I'd suggest http://www.tldp.org and/or the ORA book. It is not something that I have anywhere near enough patience to do over IRC. |
| 06:10.43 | TiMiDo | well they are, |
| 06:10.44 | TiMiDo | ;; |
| 06:10.57 | Justin | puff: use syslinux to make a boot floppy, much easier |
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| 06:11.07 | puff | Justin: than MBA? |
| 06:11.10 | wols | MrWh1t3: state your problem more clearly. what problem do you have installing it? |
| 06:11.14 | Justin | this desktop boots off of nfs from one |
| 06:11.19 | spilo | I mean I made a link into .mozill in home directory and linked to plugin file in JRE.. |
| 06:11.19 | Justin | puff: whats mba? |
| 06:11.25 | iCandy | scarynetworkguy: I cant even find 'bind' on tlpd.org |
| 06:11.26 | scarynetworkguy | iCandy: Understand nothing against you. But there are *very* few people in the world whom I would help with that. |
| 06:11.26 | puff | I wish I could figure out how to get it disabled on this machine. |
| 06:11.37 | TiMiDo | ok spilo ? |
| 06:11.37 | MrWh1t3 | well i am not totally sure that its even being recognized |
| 06:11.40 | puff | MBA is Managed Boot Agent, similar to PXE. |
| 06:11.44 | MrWh1t3 | i did a lspci and i dont see it on there |
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| 06:12.02 | spilo | buit this will work only with me.. other users will have to do same.. so iw as wondering is there a plugin directory for moziulla somwhere else than mu home dir? |
| 06:12.06 | puff | This machine apparently had it at one point, now it's always trying to find an MBA server, which adds a minute or two to each boot up. |
| 06:12.08 | scarynetworkguy | iCandy: Did you typo of did I? |
| 06:12.10 | spilo | how do i find a folder? |
| 06:12.22 | zignig | spilo: locate <word> | less |
| 06:12.23 | wols | MrWh1t3: http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:12.23 | iCandy | scarynetworkguy: no its tldp.org |
| 06:12.25 | dave_n | Guerin: thanks |
| 06:12.29 | scarynetworkguy | iCandy: cool |
| 06:12.29 | Justin | puff: should be able to just turn that off |
| 06:12.33 | puff | Okay, so I have repeated the woody 2.4 netinst install process, got to the reboot, am looking at the "Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM : Failure" message. |
| 06:12.39 | spilo | this finder application does not find anything.. do you guys use it at all? (gnome) |
| 06:12.42 | puff | Justin Should be, but I can't find anywhere to turn it off. |
| 06:12.55 | wols | puff: put in the woody netinst CD, and do a rescue boot |
| 06:12.57 | Justin | MrWh1t3: if you just installed the card, you likely didn't push it in all the way |
| 06:13.10 | wols | puff: for a long term solution: get a DOS floppy with a new BIOS on it |
| 06:13.11 | puff | The only thing that looks vaguely relevant in the BIOS is "boot sequence", which has one option of LAN, CD-ROM, A, C. |
| 06:13.19 | puff | But I'm not using that option... |
| 06:13.26 | puff | wols Sounds like a plan. |
| 06:13.31 | Justin | pflanze: does it even try and boot off the cd? |
| 06:13.34 | scarynetworkguy | iCandy: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 06:13.37 | scarynetworkguy | have fun |
| 06:13.37 | puff | Okay, woody netinst cd. |
| 06:13.40 | Justin | puff: er, hd |
| 06:13.54 | Justin | puff: either way, rescue root=/dev/hda2 or whatever the correct partitino should work |
| 06:14.06 | MrWh1t3 | i am trying to get it installed so i can load a mythtv..i will check conectivity |
| 06:14.15 | puff | Justin Dunno, I *think* hear the HD accessing, but I can't be sure. |
| 06:14.25 | puff | And it certainly doesn't access for long. |
| 06:14.44 | wols | resc24 |
| 06:14.57 | puff | It also seems to take a minute or so after it finds the CDROM on initial bootup, dunno why. |
| 06:14.59 | wols | not just rescue=, or you might use a 2.2. kernel and that won't work |
| 06:15.07 | peterS | wols: rescbf24 |
| 06:15.10 | puff | Gotcher. |
| 06:15.13 | spilo | locate did not find anything.. |
| 06:15.24 | wols | puff: thanks. always use 2.4 only CDs for installing |
| 06:15.35 | wols | peterS, of course |
| 06:15.42 | Justin | er, righto |
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| 06:16.08 | puff | Hm, fuck, now it's giving me the same "ATAPI CD-ROM : Failure" error even though the woody netinst CD is in. |
| 06:16.23 | puff | Maybe I didn't seat it right, it's one of those CD singles. |
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| 06:16.46 | peterS | poor puff. been trying to boot that thing for *days*, haven't you? |
| 06:16.58 | puff | peterS Yeah... it's been a frustrating weekend. |
| 06:17.11 | puff | I think I've spent 30 hours on this, all told, so far. |
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| 06:17.40 | mark | how do i make sure that my locales are "supported and installed" on my system |
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| 06:18.59 | wols | mark: apt-get install locales |
| 06:20.06 | MrWh1t3 | anyone know of a good tv viewer for debian so i can test out my card |
| 06:20.19 | wols | tvtime |
| 06:20.20 | MobyTurbo | MrWh1t3: tvtime |
| 06:20.38 | cray2 | try mythTV too |
| 06:20.41 | puff | Hm, damn. |
| 06:21.04 | MrWh1t3 | yeah thats what i am going to try to install once i get my card working giving me problems now |
| 06:21.09 | puff | Now I can't get it to come up with the install CD at all. |
| 06:21.15 | puff | Odd.... |
| 06:21.30 | MrWh1t3 | and i got it working now |
| 06:21.34 | MrWh1t3 | the card at least |
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| 06:23.39 | mark | wols thanks, it says that its installed but i am still getting a bunch of warning about problems witht he locales, does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 06:24.00 | puff | Sigh... okay, out of time, guess I'll take another crack at it tomorrow. |
| 06:24.01 | ideafix | any one got bofra ? |
| 06:24.10 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:24.12 | puff | Or maybe I'll just go buy a smaller drive. |
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| 06:24.24 | wols | ideafix: aren't you in the wrong channel for that? |
| 06:24.38 | sussudio | wols: yeah. like #VD |
| 06:24.41 | ideafix | guess so :-) |
| 06:25.17 | sussudio | ideafix: bofra is the one that makes it feel like you're peeing pineapple needles, right? |
| 06:25.49 | wols | sussudio: don't they all do that? |
| 06:26.09 | zignig | sussudio: I prefer the pissing lava analogy myself. |
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| 06:27.11 | Guerin | peterS: hrm, well, playing shn via a shell script doesn't change the behavior any. Is there any way to tell cplay just to execute an arbitrary shell command on certain files, instead of playing thrm via its own mechanisms? |
| 06:27.34 | peterS | Guerin: I thought that's what NoOffsetPlayer did.. |
| 06:27.37 | puff | Hm. |
| 06:27.53 | mark | wols thank you |
| 06:28.05 | mark | is there any way to paste into a xterm window? |
| 06:28.13 | zignig | mark: middle button |
| 06:28.22 | Guerin | hrm... |
| 06:28.22 | spilo | guys.. how do I add a supported language to Debian? I am georgian (country in Europe) and cant see georgian characters in browser.. but I can see russian and some other.. how would I install or enable other language? |
| 06:28.27 | mark | zignig what if i dont have one? |
| 06:28.36 | peterS | mark: to paste the primary selection, use middle mouse button. I don't think there's a way to paste the first cut buffer |
| 06:28.38 | zignig | mark: left and right button at the same time. |
| 06:29.20 | wols | spilo: do you know your ISO codepage? |
| 06:29.39 | wols | like 8859-15 for us west europeans |
| 06:29.41 | Guerin | peterS: what are the others? Timeoffset and Frameoffset? |
| 06:30.01 | puff | Well, I'm pretty boggled, it keeps coming up wtih "Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM : Failure ... \n DISK BOOT FAILURe, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER." |
| 06:30.11 | puff | Even though I haven't touched the BIOS. |
| 06:30.17 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, TimeOffsetPlayer and FrameOffsetPlayer. the difference is that the latter let cplay specify an offset to play from, rather than the start of the track |
| 06:30.19 | wols | spilo: man locale.gen should help you generate the proper one for your place |
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| 06:30.31 | mark | so what do i do if left and right click at the same time dont work? |
| 06:30.33 | puff | I'm going to go have a drink before the bars close, come back at this with a fresh perspective tomorrow. |
| 06:30.37 | wols | puff: tell it to boot from CD first in the bIOS |
| 06:30.40 | Guerin | peterS: right, I see. WHereas nooffset must start each track from the beginning |
| 06:30.45 | peterS | Guerin: right |
| 06:30.49 | puff | wols, That's what it's set to now. |
| 06:30.56 | puff | That's what it's been set to: CDROM, C, A |
| 06:31.12 | peterS | Guerin: the more I think about it, the more I think cplay needs a fourth type of decoder which explicitly just decodes and feeds a wav file or something to stdout |
| 06:31.21 | wols | mark: mark a text by clicking and holding the left button. then while its still marked, you can press the right one and paste it that way |
| 06:31.30 | wols | mark: it works very differently from windows |
| 06:32.04 | Justin | mark: use konsole or gnome-terminal or something if you can't figure out xterm |
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| 06:32.42 | mark | Justin i dont have either one installed |
| 06:33.08 | mark | wols would that work if i want to paste from firefox to xterm? |
| 06:33.20 | puff | Ah, and now, mysteriously, for some reason, it suddenly works. |
| 06:33.21 | puff | Yeesh. |
| 06:33.49 | Justin | mark: and something is stopping you from installing one of them? |
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| 06:34.13 | puff | Maybe I'll skip that drink at the bar... |
| 06:34.17 | cilkay | I installed using the installer CD and now need to continue installing via ftp. It would have been nice to have something like Gentoo's mirrorselect tool so that one wouldn't have to guess which mirror is a fast one. I guessed wrong and got one that is about half as fast as it could be. |
| 06:34.28 | BhaalWK | Anyone happen to know which package a perl function called 'askQuestion' would be in? |
| 06:34.28 | wols | mark: text should work, yes |
| 06:34.36 | mark | Justing nothing is stopping me other then then wanting to learn xterm |
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| 06:34.53 | chovy | any word on when amd64 will be released? |
| 06:34.58 | spilo | what does SH command do? |
| 06:35.09 | puff | cilkay I think there is something like that, I remember seeing something at debian.org. |
| 06:35.11 | puff | Dunno what, though. |
| 06:35.16 | wols | spilo: you sure it's uppercase? |
| 06:35.25 | puff | Okay, the rescue CD came p, it tells me "Congratulations, you have successfully installed Debian!" |
| 06:35.26 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.32 | spilo | :) no.. sh I ment |
| 06:35.41 | cilkay | puff, not during the installation process. Perhaps later. |
| 06:35.41 | dondelelcaro | chovy: there are already amd64 packages available. |
| 06:35.51 | puff | It wants to "walk (me) through the process of setting up (my) newly installed system". |
| 06:35.55 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, that'd solve this problem in a heartbeat |
| 06:35.57 | puff | Should I do this? |
| 06:36.05 | wols | puff: sure |
| 06:36.06 | jm_ | chovy: amd64 CPU-s have been release quite a while ago ;) |
| 06:36.11 | Guerin | peterS: or one which just reads plain wav from stdin |
| 06:36.14 | puff | Note, this is still booting from the rescue CD. |
| 06:36.26 | wols | puff: it just got the kernel from there, right? |
| 06:36.33 | puff | I guess. |
| 06:36.51 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: ecasound should be capable of doing that... |
| 06:36.51 | wols | I really would go to asus.com and get the latest BIOS for the board... |
| 06:36.59 | puff | wols, I booted it wtih the cd and did "boot: rescbf24 root=/dev/hda3" |
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| 06:37.21 | dondelelcaro | 'course if it involves audio, chances are esound can do it |
| 06:37.35 | wols | great. but that's no permanent solution, unless you want to do that anytime you boot |
| 06:37.44 | mwilson | cold... |
| 06:37.55 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: let me look at that. |
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| 06:38.33 | puff | wols, okay, so what do I do next? |
| 06:38.36 | peterS | Justin: you mean including the install? you just used pivot_root tricks to finish the install without that initial reboot? |
| 06:38.45 | wols | puff: apt-gte your heart away :) |
| 06:38.49 | Justin | peterS: well this box is an nfsroot, so never :-) |
| 06:38.54 | Justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.02 | peterS | Justin: ahh - it wasn't installed directly. got it |
| 06:39.21 | puff | wols, to fix the kernel? |
| 06:39.32 | Justin | the box it runs off of is: up 114 days, 9:30, 13 users, load average: 0.26, 0.14, 0.10, which other than the install has never been rebooted |
| 06:39.53 | wols | puff: the kernel doesn't have any problem. your BIOS does... |
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| 06:39.57 | puff | Ah. |
| 06:40.02 | puff | Okay, well, hm. |
| 06:40.07 | puff | How do I troubleshoot this? |
| 06:40.09 | BhaalWK | Anyone happen to know which package a perl function called 'askQuestion' would be in? |
| 06:40.09 | wols | the kernel on the CD you just used is the same you have on your hdd |
| 06:40.18 | puff | OR is it just the 48lba thing? |
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| 06:40.26 | puff | Should I add apt sources? |
| 06:40.32 | lu7dfv | Eh? |
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| 06:40.40 | wols | you go to asus.com and check what the newer BIOSes for your board have fixed. I bet one of them got LBA48 support sometime |
| 06:40.40 | bullet | How can i rescue my debian installation from winxp trampling on the mbr. :) i need to rewrite grub onto it.. but the netinst cd doesn't have the tools to do this? or does it. |
| 06:40.42 | lu7dfv | Linux doesn't use the bios for the hds |
| 06:41.04 | wols | and if there isn't any BIOS with this, you are SOL and can't boot from a 200GB disk on this board. at all |
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| 06:41.20 | wols | lu7dfv: but lilo does, and without, it can't boot... |
| 06:41.38 | wols | bullet: it does. do a rescue boot |
| 06:41.40 | jm_ | bullet: it gives you a shell, doesn't it ? |
| 06:41.48 | lu7dfv | wols: What about using grub? |
| 06:41.53 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: it could be almost anywhere. Search cpan. |
| 06:42.12 | wols | lu7dfv: not even grub can without bios support. either a bios can boot from a disk or it can't, period |
| 06:42.28 | bullet | jm_, yes it gives my busybox shell, but what command need i use? |
| 06:42.31 | BhaalWK | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:42.39 | madmanx00 | i have a problem.. i just installed debian and i cant startxwindows i am sure i installed it.. what is the command to start it .. it has been a whie since i played with linus let alone debian |
| 06:42.41 | lu7dfv | uhmm... what does period mean? :/ |
| 06:42.46 | wols | bullet: busybox? on debian? |
| 06:42.50 | bullet | wols, what parameter do i enter to do a rescue boot, i am using the beta netinst images. |
| 06:42.53 | bullet | bullet, yes.. |
| 06:43.00 | dondelelcaro | BhaalWK: better yet, search google, and you'll figure out that it's in xmltv. Now why you'd care, I've NFI. |
| 06:43.02 | jm_ | bullet: there's chroot, then there's grub-install |
| 06:43.08 | bullet | there is linux, linux26, expert, expert26 |
| 06:43.19 | wols | rescue root=/dev/hda1 (or whatever your root partition is) |
| 06:43.36 | bullet | jm_, problem is, my main partition is on LVM2 .. so how do i access that? |
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| 06:43.43 | madmanx00 | hello anyone |
| 06:43.50 | lu7dfv | hello madmanx00 |
| 06:43.57 | bullet | wols, ahh ok cool :) |
| 06:44.01 | bullet | i will try that |
| 06:44.01 | bullet | brb |
| 06:44.02 | Guerin | peterS: lart me, I'm stupid |
| 06:44.06 | cray2 | how do i mount a drive so that any user on the system can read-write to it? |
| 06:44.07 | madmanx00 | i have a problem.. i just installed debian and i cant startxwindows i am sure i installed it.. what is the command to start it .. it has been a whie since i played with linus let alone debian |
| 06:44.07 | peterS | Guerin: eh? |
| 06:44.14 | Guerin | peterS: the shell script I wrote wasn't +x |
| 06:44.19 | peterS | Guerin: hehe |
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| 06:44.25 | Guerin | peterS: but it works perfectly now that it is :) |
| 06:44.32 | puff | Okay, so basically I need the bios, gotcha. |
| 06:44.32 | peterS | Guerin: cool! |
| 06:44.33 | bullet | wols, what if i have an lvm2 partition for my root part? :\ |
| 06:44.38 | puff | Okay, g'night all, many thanks once again. |
| 06:44.39 | jm_ | bullet: then boot in rescue mode directly - assuming it has support for everything you need |
| 06:44.51 | puff | I've gotta find some sort of FTD-like service that delivers beers. |
| 06:44.57 | bullet | jm_, what boot parameter is rescue mode? |
| 06:45.04 | peterS | bullet: then booting from anything other than your hard drive is pretty difficult |
| 06:45.17 | wols | bullet: never used that, and I don't know if the bootfloppies have support for this |
| 06:45.23 | peterS | wols: they don't |
| 06:45.41 | bullet | arg. |
| 06:45.41 | bullet | :) |
| 06:45.43 | jm_ | bullet: read help that is displayed on screen |
| 06:45.48 | bullet | i would knwo how to fix it if it werent for lvm. |
| 06:46.06 | wols | peterS: but he had to install that thing somewhow, couldn't the same procedure give him a working rescue boot? |
| 06:46.07 | bullet | jm_, i have.. it says nothing about lvm2. |
| 06:46.29 | jm_ | bullet: yes, it wouldn't mention LVM2 specifically ;) |
| 06:46.32 | wols | bullet: how did you install lvm2 for your / in the first place? |
| 06:46.36 | jm_ | bullet: you basically need initrd image |
| 06:46.47 | peterS | wols: I have no idea how he managed a LVM root partition without the sarge installer. it can be done but the procedures I can think of aren't for amateurs (: |
| 06:47.00 | jm_ | bullet: now you have learned a valuable lesson - always use separate /boot partition with any kind of lvm/raid setup |
| 06:47.02 | bullet | wols, its an option in the netinst.. allows you to resize your parts easily |
| 06:47.21 | bullet | jm_, i have a separate boot partition. |
| 06:47.25 | wols | jm_: actually, separate / from lvm/raid |
| 06:47.34 | wols | not really a reason to use it anyways |
| 06:47.36 | jm_ | bullet: so you have kernel and initrd on it ? |
| 06:47.37 | madmanx00 | What is the command to start x windows startx doesnt work |
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| 06:47.40 | bullet | jm_, sda1 is boot, sda2 is swap, and sda3 is lvm |
| 06:47.47 | bullet | jm_, yes. |
| 06:47.58 | wols | madmanx00: then you need to reconfigure your X until it does. startx is the right command |
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| 06:48.02 | jm_ | bullet: ahh then it's easy - make a grub floppy, boot your linux with it |
| 06:48.24 | MetalAZO | could someone help me to turn off IPv6 support? |
| 06:48.42 | ricochet | does anyone know how to setup a pivotable flat panel, so I cant rotate it 90 degrees and flip the resolution so it draws sideways? |
| 06:48.46 | bullet | hmm u guys gave me some ideas. brb. |
| 06:48.49 | jm_ | MetalAZO: the answer to that is "yes" |
| 06:48.53 | lu7dfv | madmanx00: apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 06:49.04 | MetalAZO | jm_ :) you could? |
| 06:49.15 | wols | more like "apt-get install x-window-system" |
| 06:49.37 | wols | I wonder why it is bothering him |
| 06:50.05 | MetalAZO | simonrvn, if your question was directed to me then it's because of my DSL and IPv6 requiering higher MTU |
| 06:50.36 | jm_ | ricochet: xrandr extension can do that |
| 06:50.37 | dort | is there something written in ruby in the vein of debmirror/debpartial/apt-proxy yet? |
| 06:50.38 | simonrvn | MetalAZO: what? i have dsl here, and no problems with ipv6. though i use a tunnel, it works fine |
| 06:50.47 | jm_ | MetalAZO: possibly |
| 06:50.50 | MetalAZO | simonrvn, lucky you |
| 06:51.01 | simonrvn | it's not hard really |
| 06:51.01 | MetalAZO | like now I can't reach /. and some other sites from the network while I can from the server |
| 06:51.35 | ricochet | jm_ thanks. |
| 06:52.19 | wols | MetalAZO: you using pppoe? |
| 06:52.22 | MetalAZO | yes |
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| 06:52.56 | isga | hi |
| 06:52.57 | ricochet | question, I have a logitech USB mouse using imPS protcol, but scroll wheel doesnt work, what should I try? |
| 06:53.00 | wols | then I don't get your problem: the eth0 is not initialized anyways, and the pppoe MTU is set with a pppoe commandline parameter |
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| 06:53.01 | grave | i have a problem with nvidia video driver |
| 06:53.10 | grave | i have a problem with nvidia video driver |
| 06:53.16 | sussudio | !irritate grave |
| 06:53.18 | dpkg | grave: HELP ME!!! how can I make my mepis werkz kthx |
| 06:53.24 | SDFH_Linux | guys could onboard sound cause sound not to work correctly with realplayer, streamtuner, xmame? |
| 06:53.30 | simonrvn | UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1432 Metric:1 -- sit1, UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST MTU:1452 Metric:1 -- ppp0 |
| 06:53.35 | isga | which encoder should i use to greate mp3? |
| 06:53.38 | SDFH_Linux | streaming especially? |
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| 06:53.43 | sussudio | !fruitsmite simonrvn |
| 06:53.44 | wols | e.g. like pty "/usr/sbin/pppoe -I eth1 -T 80 -m 1452" in my dsl.provider |
| 06:53.48 | jm_ | isga: lame |
| 06:53.58 | lu7dfv | :@ |
| 06:54.07 | simonrvn | wols: use the kernel driver |
| 06:54.12 | Guerin | peterS: http://feayn.org/~lewis/shnplay |
| 06:54.13 | isga | and how do i instaal it? |
| 06:54.19 | SDFH_Linux | i have two computers the only main difference is that the other one works fine with those programs and has a dedicated sb live sound card |
| 06:54.25 | MetalAZO | wols, eth1 in your case is netcard connected to the modem? |
| 06:54.27 | RainbowW | is there an imap server that speaks maildir but doesn't absolutely suck when trying to make it work with mutt? |
| 06:54.31 | wols | simonrvn: any reason why? those long standing concurrency issues solved? |
| 06:54.42 | wols | MetalAZO: yes. using rp-pppoe however |
| 06:54.44 | grave | when i install the driver, it says that a module is already configure to start with the kernel |
| 06:54.53 | simonrvn | wols: a) the maintainer suggests it b) it works better |
| 06:55.09 | MetalAZO | wols, just wanted to ask about this plugin rp-pppoe.so eth0 thing in my dsl-provider file. what does it do? |
| 06:55.19 | wols | a) maintainer of what b) define "better" |
| 06:55.26 | Sandman | I'd like to enable direct rendering @ my X. I installed x.org 6.8.1 @ /usr/local via stow, and it's available |
| 06:55.27 | grave | how can i remove that module to start with the new driver |
| 06:55.29 | Sandman | but not on for some reason.. |
| 06:55.35 | simonrvn | pppd. less issues with the kernel driver |
| 06:55.36 | peterS | Guerin: I'll definitely throw that script in with my cplay stuff. I'll probably ship it in the examples directory |
| 06:55.43 | simonrvn | s/pppd/ppp/ |
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| 06:55.58 | madmanx00 | how do i get KDE |
| 06:56.10 | RainbowW | madmanx00: apt-get install kde |
| 06:56.12 | simonrvn | you install it |
| 06:56.21 | RainbowW | madmanx00: it works best if you do it as root. |
| 06:56.38 | madmanx00 | yes u jbiw |
| 06:56.38 | grave | the warnign says: rivafb module was configure to load with kernel |
| 06:56.39 | madmanx00 | know |
| 06:56.55 | grave | how do i modify the kernel to remove this module? |
| 06:57.00 | MetalAZO | simonrvn the thing is I had no problems with ipv6 and accessing sites before I apt-getted something which got that plugin in there and then problems began |
| 06:57.06 | wols | simonrvn: some time ago (years?) there were problems with pppd not restarting after a daily disconnect, but I never had any other problem |
| 06:57.19 | lu7dfv | grave: vide=rivafb:off when booting |
| 06:57.30 | lu7dfv | grave: sorry video=ribafb:off |
| 06:57.30 | grave | ok |
| 06:57.36 | lu7dfv | riva |
| 06:57.47 | Guerin | peterS: well, I'll go through my archives and add a few similar cases to it, make it into a "play random formats without their own players" script |
| 06:57.51 | simonrvn | wols: i had stability issues with using the pty. would disconnect more often. now it's pretty much only when i request it |
| 06:57.58 | lu7dfv | grave: Sorry sorry, 4:00 am here video=rivafb:off |
| 06:58.04 | simonrvn | and it frees up a pty |
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| 06:58.15 | grave | ok |
| 06:58.24 | wols | simonrvn: but rp-pppoe is so _easy_ :) |
| 06:58.34 | wols | maybe I have to read up on some docs... |
| 06:58.40 | simonrvn | i know :). debian's pppoe is rp's |
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| 06:58.57 | simonrvn | check the examples/ dirs |
| 06:59.03 | wols | there is a howto about kernel pppoe on tldp.org? |
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| 06:59.15 | simonrvn | also a quickie howto for debian somewhere on the web |
| 06:59.41 | wols | hmm... I think i have to recompile the kernel, unless I made it a module in my infinite wisdom... |
| 07:00.02 | MetalAZO | simonrvn, so could you suggest how to fix the issues I have? I'd like to try turning ipv6 off first |
| 07:00.07 | Sandman | How to make Debian _not_ restart services every so often? (such as bitlbee) |
| 07:00.16 | dezent | what sho/quit |
| 07:00.18 | simonrvn | net-pf-10 off |
| 07:00.28 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: services are typically restarted only when the logs need to rotate, or when you upgrade. |
| 07:01.11 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: you can adjust the former by modifying the logrotate scripts, and the latter, you can take care of by putting the package on hold. |
| 07:01.12 | brluziuxi | ctcp brluziuxi ping |
| 07:01.27 | simonrvn | brluziuxi: /ctcp ping brluziuxi |
| 07:02.01 | grave | how can i recompile my kernel, im newbie |
| 07:02.11 | sussudio | !irritate grave |
| 07:02.11 | dpkg | grave: Y iz debain so old? who uses sound kk |
| 07:02.41 | simonrvn | grave: http://newbiedoc.sf.net/ |
| 07:02.50 | simonrvn | MetalAZO: yes i do mind. |
| 07:02.54 | grave | no, but i change my video card and know, the video driver makes a warnign |
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| 07:04.43 | sussudio | !es |
| 07:04.44 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:05.27 | close_to_debian | i tried to start ipmsq with a kernel from kernel.org (2.6.9) the config file for kernel was from debian kernel i get the following errors 'Initializing IP Masquerading...Generic IP Firewall Chains not in this kernel' |
| 07:05.39 | sussudio | close_to_debian: and? |
| 07:05.46 | lu7dfv | dpkg: DeberÃas aprender un poquito de idiomas papi :P |
| 07:05.47 | dpkg | lu7dfv: I give up, what is it? |
| 07:06.31 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: What if I just completely uninstall logrotate? |
| 07:06.43 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: you don't want to do that. |
| 07:06.55 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: and you haven't even indicated if logrotate is actually doing what you think it's doing |
| 07:06.59 | wols | close_to_debian: then the .config file wasn't from debian or you did something wrong |
| 07:07.04 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: Okay. And if I never want logs to be rotated |
| 07:07.13 | Sandman | dondelelcaro: Sure. THere are several logs, per the configuration |
| 07:07.16 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: That's Crazy Talk |
| 07:07.34 | close_to_debian | yes it was from debian 2.6.8 kernel but i compiled it without initrd |
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| 07:07.44 | wols | Sandman: then you better buy new harddisks fairly often since they will fill up with logs and nothing else rather quickly |
| 07:08.02 | jm_ | Sandman: you can comment it out from logrotate's config file(s) |
| 07:08.16 | wols | close_to_debian: did you make the kernel modules? |
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| 07:08.35 | close_to_debian | i used make-kpkg so it will do that |
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| 07:09.25 | wols | all I can say then is: you didn't do it right then. did you use "make oldconfig"? |
| 07:09.47 | Sandman | Well, seeing as stopping logrotate isn't an option anymore, then, I'd at the very least like to keep bitlbee from restarting |
| 07:09.49 | wols | and maybe check with make menuconfig that all netfilter related options are like they should be? |
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| 07:09.57 | Sandman | Or at least it seems to log me out (un-identify me) regularly |
| 07:10.08 | close_to_debian | no |
| 07:10.09 | wols | Sandman: how often does it do that? |
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| 07:10.22 | wols | logs are rotated once per day by default I think |
| 07:10.33 | close_to_debian | i did make menuconfig and then make-kpkg |
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