| 00:00.10 | idnar | jim: presentational markup instead of semantic markup |
| 00:00.21 | mousex | xam: I think I'm giving up with the whole X on parisc . . . I can't get a kernel to compile with so many errors in header files . . . :( |
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| 00:00.42 | idnar | jim: he suggests using <h2> instead of using <h1> because "browsers typically render that in a ridiculously huge font" |
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| 00:01.25 | xeon2 | Can anyone help me clean apt's package list? I need to narrow it down to the list obtained from my cd so I can reinstall the kernel |
| 00:01.46 | mousex | idnar: what's presentational vs. semantic markup? |
| 00:01.46 | PerfDave | xeon2: edit out all the entries, use apt-cdrom to add your CD? |
| 00:01.58 | BeEfY | hmmmm... has anyone got any ideas to get rid of a spool mqueue folder with 15788 messages in it? |
| 00:01.58 | xam | mousex: well, for me the matrox millenium works ... |
| 00:02.10 | idnar | jim: he does go on to talk about how it should be done, but his initial examples are a really bad idea in my opinion |
| 00:02.13 | mousex | xam: yeah, well . . . |
| 00:02.19 | PerfDave | BeEfY: rm? :) |
| 00:02.26 | mousex | xam: did you compile your own kernel, though? |
| 00:02.27 | BeEfY | argument list too long |
| 00:02.34 | idnar | mousex: <b>, <font>, etc. are all presentation elements |
| 00:02.35 | xam | mousex: of course |
| 00:02.43 | jim | idnar: maybe he'd agree, but it does get people started |
| 00:02.49 | idnar | mousex: they control how the document looks, they don't say anything about the information it contains |
| 00:02.50 | PerfDave | BeEfY: for i in * do; rm $i; done |
| 00:02.59 | PerfDave | Oops |
| 00:03.03 | PerfDave | BeEfY: for i in *; do rm $i; done |
| 00:03.06 | mousex | xam: did you ever get any errors on "signal.h" while compiling? or any sti messeges? |
| 00:03.08 | idnar | mousex: they were a really bad idea, unfortunately no-one really did anything about it until it was too late |
| 00:03.15 | BeEfY | aha :) |
| 00:03.16 | toomasr | i installed debian, installed a new kernel with make, make install, and then dpkg --purge grub, apt-get install lilo, liloconfig, lilo and now when booting kernel panics and tells me to specify the root device, i'm like 100% sure, that the root device is the correct one, i rescued and doublechecked, any suggestions what i could try? |
| 00:03.17 | BeEfY | thanks PerfDave |
| 00:03.42 | idnar | mousex: they've been deprecated for a long time |
| 00:03.54 | mousex | idnar: I thought the whole point of hypertext was to facilitate the presentation of docs on the web and interlink them |
| 00:04.07 | xam | mousex: nope, but what kernel are you referring to? afaik they fixed some sti stuff in the latest 2.6 kernels |
| 00:04.09 | idnar | mousex: in general, your HTML (or XHTML, for that matter) should describe the content and structure of your information |
| 00:04.10 | jim | toomasr: maybe the kernel doesn't have the right stuff in it and cannot mount the / device |
| 00:04.16 | mousex | idnar: you mean <font> -> <style>??? |
| 00:04.26 | idnar | mousex: if you want to control the presentation of your document, that's what CSS is there for |
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| 00:04.34 | xam | mousex: also make sure you don't use the kernels from kernel.org, but from cvs.parisc-linux.org |
| 00:04.35 | toomasr | maybe i have 2 lilos installed, one in mbr of /dev/hda and on in /dev/hda1, is that possible and can that cause problems? |
| 00:04.35 | mousex | xam: 2.6.8-1-64 |
| 00:04.36 | xarg | hi all |
| 00:04.40 | bender-rw- | toomasr: if its a debian kernel you have to specify an initrd image in your lilo.conf |
| 00:04.44 | toomasr | jim: all of my kernels started giving the error |
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| 00:04.59 | mousex | xam: uh, that would make a big difference. I've using kernel-source from ftp.debian.org |
| 00:05.02 | jim | toomasr: what about the kernel that was installed with debian? |
| 00:05.05 | toomasr | bender-rw-: the apt-get installed kernels have the initrd's, but the custom one doesn't |
| 00:05.14 | toomasr | jim: they too give the error |
| 00:05.15 | jim | and why go to lilo instead of grub? |
| 00:05.29 | idnar | mousex: as a result, your HTML will be a lot cleaner, your site will probably be friendlier to users using non-standard user agents (mobile devices, screen readers, etc.), and I won't hunt you down and kill you in your sleep ;) |
| 00:05.58 | mousex | idnar: so css is even supported on crapy browsers like those in mobile devices? |
| 00:05.59 | toomasr | jim: didn't want to learn grub |
| 00:06.00 | bender-rw- | toomasr: yeah i wasnt sure what you were using. but if its custom kernel its very well possible you forgot something the kernel needs to find and mount the root device, like a fs driver or disk drivers |
| 00:06.15 | PerfDave | mousex: CSS is designed to degrade gracefully |
| 00:06.16 | xarg | I am having an issue with samba that I find strange ... users can access the 'data' share I have created but they cannot access their homedirs ... although they can see their own homedir as a share. any clues? |
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| 00:06.27 | jim | toomasr: had the machine ever booted with grub? |
| 00:06.35 | xam | mousex: well, the debian sources are a little bit outdated, and the kernel.org sources won't work at all |
| 00:06.37 | mousex | PerfDave: "degrade gracefully?" |
| 00:06.40 | mousex | !info css |
| 00:06.40 | idnar | mousex: some of them support it, some of them don't. if your HTML is well structured, however, the page should be usable even without the stylesheet |
| 00:06.49 | toomasr | bender-rw-: but howcome the apt-get installed kernels didn't stop working? my root is ext3, and ext3 is compiled in, i actually left the fs things alone in the kernel conf |
| 00:06.50 | xarg | OH I am using krb and smb3 to auth to an ads |
| 00:07.02 | toomasr | jim: yeah, for 4 days, until i installed lilo :) |
| 00:07.07 | mousex | xam: if only I knew that all along . . . |
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| 00:07.23 | jim | so your machine -worked- with grub, and -failed- with lilo? |
| 00:07.28 | jim | if so, |
| 00:07.33 | Led_Zeppelin | Lilo sucks, get grub. |
| 00:07.34 | jim | I'm done asking questions :) |
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| 00:07.56 | mousex | xam: but if I use those sources, then I can't compile "the debian way," right? I would need to do a make vmlinux instead. |
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| 00:08.29 | toomasr | okay, in lilo conf the boot was /dev/hda1, i wanted the thingy to be in /dev/hda so i changed it, and ran lilo, does that mean, i have a lilo in mbr and /dev/hda1? |
| 00:08.37 | mousex | jim: why is grub supposed to eventually replace lilo? lilo is soooo cool! |
| 00:08.42 | PerfDave | mousex: You can use make-kpkg with non-Debian kernel sources |
| 00:08.44 | bender-rw- | toomasr: if you used the debian config, the debian .config has ext3 as a modules because it uses initrd |
| 00:08.46 | idnar | Led_Zeppelin: that's all very well if you can get grub working on your system :/ |
| 00:08.59 | mousex | PerfDave: great! :p |
| 00:09.10 | jim | mousex: it's because of how lilo is told where the kernel is |
| 00:09.25 | jim | mousex: grub can find the kernel by name |
| 00:09.27 | xam | mousex: nope, you can always compile the debian way |
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| 00:09.35 | PerfDave | Lilo has some advantages over grub, grub over lilo. Grub is more useful for most people, I expect. |
| 00:09.37 | Led_Zeppelin | idnar, very true. LILO is very primitive, if you mess up on your change, then you are screwed. |
| 00:09.43 | mousex | xam, PerfDave: it's still too bad that the parisc kernels on debian repositories lack most modules . . . |
| 00:09.53 | PerfDave | parisc? |
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| 00:09.57 | xam | mousex: the debian way will automatically create a vmlinux ... |
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| 00:09.58 | mousex | !parisc |
| 00:09.58 | PerfDave | Ah, the arch. |
| 00:09.58 | dpkg | methinks parisc is http://www.parisc-linux.org |
| 00:10.00 | Led_Zeppelin | HP processor |
| 00:10.01 | PerfDave | File bugs ;) |
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| 00:10.05 | mousex | PerfDave: ys |
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| 00:11.02 | mousex | xam: ok, I'll try that before definetly giving up and using hp-ux . . . unless . . . is there a way do "debianize" hp-ux? You know, compile apt-get and get it to work on hp-ux? |
| 00:11.23 | jim | mousex: you' |
| 00:11.25 | xam | mousex: what kind of graphics card are you using know? |
| 00:11.27 | toomasr | okay, i'll compile ext3 into the kernel, although my old kernels worked and stopped working now too! |
| 00:11.33 | jim | mousex: you're talking about A LOT of work... |
| 00:11.33 | PerfDave | mousex: Almost certainly not :) |
| 00:11.40 | mousex | jim: is grub also supposed to replace loaders for other architectures (like palo)? |
| 00:11.52 | jim | mousex: not sure. |
| 00:12.10 | jim | maybe the other loaders don't have the same problems lilo does |
| 00:12.13 | Led_Zeppelin | grub is multiplatform |
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| 00:12.24 | dondelelcaro | if by multi you mean 2... |
| 00:12.32 | mousex | xam: right now I have the built-in FXe, but I know that one isn't supported, so I bought both, a voodoo3 and a matrox millenium |
| 00:12.33 | jim | what's the other one? |
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| 00:12.37 | dondelelcaro | jim: ppc. |
| 00:12.55 | mousex | jim: LOT of work for what, the boot loaders or debianizng hp-ux? |
| 00:12.57 | Led_Zeppelin | i think it does Ultra too |
| 00:13.07 | jim | mousex: latter |
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| 00:13.21 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: not to my knowledge, unless that was just added recently. |
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| 00:13.36 | mousex | jim: I figured. anyway, palo is "pa-risc linux loader," I think. |
| 00:13.45 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, Aurora Linux uses Grub |
| 00:13.48 | mousex | jim: palo works almost like lilo |
| 00:14.08 | jim | you mean, it stores sector numbers? |
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| 00:14.49 | mousex | jim: i don't know about that; I just meant the way it's configured :) I shouldn't be talking about stuff I know nothing about . . . :) |
| 00:15.05 | mousex | !info palo |
| 00:15.14 | dpkg | palo: (Linux boot loader for parisc/hppa), section base, is optional. Version: 1.6 (sid), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
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| 00:15.30 | Led_Zeppelin | !silo |
| 00:15.30 | dpkg | i guess silo is the Sparc Improved Linux LOader. It is designed to boot GNU/Linux on Sun Sparc hardware. |
| 00:15.33 | ciga | hi |
| 00:15.40 | xam | !info milo |
| 00:15.57 | Led_Zeppelin | nada |
| 00:15.57 | Led_Zeppelin | lol |
| 00:16.09 | xam | mhh, my alpha has it ;) |
| 00:16.12 | mousex | milo?! "milky-way linux loader?" |
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| 00:16.29 | Led_Zeppelin | xam: alpha's any nice? |
| 00:16.31 | jim | mips linux loader? |
| 00:16.34 | xam | !milo |
| 00:16.34 | dpkg | milo is, like, short for the Multiple ILO document formatting system. See http://www.openstandards.org/milo/ or a choclatey beverage, or the alpha arch linux loader. |
| 00:16.37 | ciga | I try to compile 2.4.27 with sch_htb, but it says 'unresolved symbol qdisc_get_rtab' and others. can anyone help me with that? |
| 00:16.38 | Led_Zeppelin | \/'// |
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| 00:16.55 | mousex | !milo is "a thingy to load Linux into the milky way, as well" |
| 00:16.55 | dpkg | ...but milo is already something else... |
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| 00:17.20 | mousex | jim: actually, mips use standard lilo |
| 00:17.24 | Fackamato | did you guys get that? |
| 00:17.28 | kryl | I'm searchink a link to download xorg packages ... |
| 00:17.31 | Fackamato | probably not |
| 00:17.36 | PerfDave | !topicsmite kryl |
| 00:17.37 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon kryl. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:17.40 | Fackamato | [01:16:21] <Fackamato> i just upgraded to sarge, and 2.6.8-1-k7. everything seems to work fine |
| 00:17.41 | Fackamato | [01:16:22] <Fackamato> except |
| 00:17.41 | Fackamato | [01:16:29] <Fackamato> psybnc won't work. i tried to recompile it |
| 00:17.41 | Fackamato | [01:16:36] <Fackamato> still doesn't work, same error in the log: |
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| 00:18.02 | Fackamato | look in flood for errors :) |
| 00:18.03 | dondelelcaro | Fackamato: do not paste here. |
| 00:18.05 | mousex | !tell Fackmato about #flood |
| 00:18.08 | Fackamato | i'm sorry dondelelcaro. |
| 00:18.15 | Fackamato | pasting in flood: |
| 00:18.22 | kryl | I'm searchink a link to download xorg packages ... |
| 00:18.41 | jim | plus, you could have consolidated that into one line, without the funny timestamp headers and such |
| 00:19.01 | Fackamato | heh. so, any idea? |
| 00:19.02 | Fackamato | :/ |
| 00:19.03 | mousex | Fackamato: I have no idea what it is, but it looks very, very ugly! :) |
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| 00:19.06 | dondelelcaro | Fackamato: psyBNC is segfaulting. |
| 00:19.15 | Fackamato | dondelelcaro why? Can i solve it? |
| 00:19.19 | jim | well, as much as I saw before you were, erm, escorted out :) |
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| 00:19.45 | dondelelcaro | Fackamato: because it has a bug. Yes, if you understand how to operate gdb, make, and an editor. |
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| 00:20.05 | ciga | I'd like to connect to my linux box from windows using chap, but my linux says the that remote side must be authenticated. But it works fine when this box is not on an adsl link. Why is this? |
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| 00:20.20 | Fackamato | dondelelcaro i don't know what gdb is. hm |
| 00:20.24 | mousex | is there a "pretty" debugger for debian like the one integrated into M$-C++ IDEs? |
| 00:20.57 | mathieu | $ apt-cache search gdb front |
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| 00:21.12 | Fackamato | don't have x, sorry |
| 00:21.17 | dondelelcaro | Fackamato: it's the GNU debugger. If you don't know what it is, you're pretty much limited to filing a bug against psyBNC with as much information as you can. |
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| 00:21.34 | nevyn | there's ddd... which might be easier to use. |
| 00:21.39 | dondelelcaro | mousex: just use gdb in emac; or your favorite editor |
| 00:21.40 | Fackamato | dondelelcaro right. Thank you. I'll try with an older version. |
| 00:21.44 | jim | mousex: there are front ends for gdb... but, you should learn to use gdb by itself because it has features you should know abotu |
| 00:21.44 | dondelelcaro | s/emac/emacs/ |
| 00:22.01 | nevyn | mousex: there are many frontends to gdb.. kdevelop/gideon and ddd spring to mind |
| 00:22.09 | mathieu | xxgdb |
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| 00:22.15 | mousex | gee, thanks! |
| 00:23.17 | nevyn | ddd might be a seperate debugger. |
| 00:23.28 | jim | no, ddd is a front end to gdb |
| 00:23.34 | nevyn | ah. |
| 00:23.40 | mousex | dondelelcaro, xam: are you of those guys who have grown roots on irc.debian.org #debian??? |
| 00:23.57 | jim | whether it can also act as a debugger by itself, I don't know |
| 00:24.00 | pusling | anyone knows if there is any chance that kde 3.3 will make it to sarge ? |
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| 00:24.17 | bender-rw- | pusling: i think not |
| 00:24.50 | mousex | pusling: probably not |
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| 00:25.16 | pusling | too bad |
| 00:25.23 | inter | hi all, anyone have a kernel running with the ck3 patch set? I'm getting a kernel panic concerning a failure to mount the root partition (reiserfs). Any help appretiated. |
| 00:25.23 | kovu | hello |
| 00:25.31 | bighead | hey, so how do I tell gnome-apps to use firefox for URLs, instead of say mozillion, epiphany etc? Do they follow the $BROWSER standard? |
| 00:25.32 | xam | mousex: no, not really ... it is just running in the background :) |
| 00:25.37 | bighead | does debian follow DEBIAN |
| 00:25.53 | bighead | s/DEBIAN/BROWSER/ |
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| 00:26.10 | mousex | xam: yeah, right :lol |
| 00:26.14 | PerfDave | inter: What boot loader are you using? |
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| 00:26.41 | kovu | hello |
| 00:26.55 | mousex | bighead: I think they use x-www-browser |
| 00:26.58 | inter | PerfDave, Grub |
| 00:27.03 | kovu | does anyone know if you can get a realtek 8180 wireless lan card to work |
| 00:27.08 | mousex | bighead: update-alternatives --config www-browser |
| 00:27.08 | PerfDave | inter: Does your grub have ricerfs support compiled in? |
| 00:27.12 | mousex | bighead: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 00:27.19 | kovu | is their an easy way to do this |
| 00:27.46 | kovu | im running kernel 2.4.18 |
| 00:27.57 | PerfDave | kovu: One might try reading the Installation Manual to see what it says about hardware support. |
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| 00:27.57 | inter | PerfDave, grub have reiserfs compiled in? the error is in the kernel not grub (ie grub starts the kernel fine) |
| 00:28.03 | bighead | mousex: thanks :-D |
| 00:28.04 | kovu | a distrib callled libranet |
| 00:28.09 | mousex | bighead: yup |
| 00:28.10 | thecrow | hello all :-) |
| 00:28.17 | PerfDave | inter: Does your kernel have ricerfs compiled in? ;) |
| 00:28.22 | inter | PerfDave, ya |
| 00:28.23 | FieldySnuts | wrong chan |
| 00:28.24 | dotz | Guys, can I automagically tell dpkg-buildpackage to create a package, that doesn't install under '/' but under '/opt' for example? I'm just trying to get a debug version of a normal Debian package, and I'd like 1) those 2 packages to co-exists (in different hierarchies) 2) be able to install them both |
| 00:28.24 | PerfDave | !libranet |
| 00:28.24 | dpkg | methinks libranet is a Debian based distribution that includes many enhancements such as: updated packages, including GNOME, KDE, XFree86, reiserfs, etc., a fast, easy install and, a preconfigured desktop. More information at the Libranet homepage: http://libranet.com, or non-free; read the license on their CD images carefully (if you think it's GPL, you're reading the wrong thing), or there is/was a channel #libranet, but it may be dead |
| 00:28.35 | bighead | and now I'm guessing that "Debian Sensible Browser" entry in Gnome Preferences will use x-www-browser |
| 00:28.44 | inter | PerfDave, works fine with vanilla sources...the ck3 patchset seems to break it |
| 00:28.50 | PerfDave | inter: Fair enough |
| 00:28.53 | PerfDave | inter: No idea then, sorry. |
| 00:29.06 | inter | PerfDave, np, thx for answering :) |
| 00:29.06 | mousex | bighead: yes, indeed |
| 00:29.06 | PerfDave | But honestly, reiser on a root partition? *shudder* |
| 00:29.17 | inter | hehe |
| 00:29.30 | FieldySnuts | i wouldn't trust mine to anything else |
| 00:29.30 | inter | i dislike ext fs's |
| 00:29.36 | PerfDave | !ricerfs |
| 00:29.36 | dpkg | ricerfs is probably the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for more info. |
| 00:29.38 | inter | too slow |
| 00:29.40 | thecrow | Hi, I have just installed debian on my PC, and now the boot loader isn't seeing XP as a choice, is there anyway i can edit this so they will both load? |
| 00:29.46 | kovu | is their realtek driver support in any kernel |
| 00:29.48 | PerfDave | inter: Yeah, like you notice on a root partition. |
| 00:29.52 | directhex | thecrow, grub or lilo? |
| 00:29.56 | mousex | bighead: look under /etc/alternatives for more cool symlinks . . . :) |
| 00:29.56 | thecrow | grub |
| 00:29.57 | PerfDave | kovu: Go ask Libranet people :) |
| 00:30.02 | kovu | aka for the real tek 8180 chipset to run wireless lan |
| 00:30.02 | inter | true...every bit helps |
| 00:30.26 | mousex | kovu: partially, from realtek's web site, but it's compiled for redhat |
| 00:30.45 | FieldySnuts | go ask a libranet chan... this is #debian |
| 00:30.47 | inter | though* |
| 00:30.48 | mousex | kovu: you can compile it yourself . . . good luck. I recommend you use ndiswrapper instead |
| 00:30.56 | directhex | thecrow, know which hard disk & partition wqindows is in? preferably in grubese |
| 00:31.07 | thecrow | yep |
| 00:31.17 | directhex | thecrow, join #flood |
| 00:31.20 | mousex | kovu: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net |
| 00:31.24 | thecrow | kk thx |
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| 00:32.34 | mousex | xam: great, parisc-linux.org's site is down just when I wanted their kernel source!!! |
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| 00:32.48 | mousex | xam: I'll have to wait . . . and i hate waiting |
| 00:32.50 | alejandro_ | !paste |
| 00:32.50 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. |
| 00:32.57 | alejandro_ | !thanks |
| 00:32.57 | dpkg | de nada, alejandro_ |
| 00:33.10 | alejandro_ | plop, hablas espanol! |
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| 00:33.33 | Jochen_m | hi |
| 00:33.50 | pusling | is mythtv in debian? |
| 00:33.55 | mousex | Jochen_m: hola |
| 00:34.06 | mousex | pusling: check packages.debian.org |
| 00:34.28 | directhex | pusling, no, but there's a good mirror linked from mythtv.org |
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| 00:35.41 | mousex | WOW! mythtv is all that great and it's being under development for much shorter than xawtv!!! |
| 00:35.59 | Jochen_m | Can anyone tell me why HTML Tidy does not create a new, cleaned HTML file? |
| 00:35.59 | Jochen_m | tidy -clean foo.html -out foo_new.html |
| 00:36.08 | Jochen_m | I did exact what the man page told me to do |
| 00:36.10 | pusling | directhex: can you point me in a direction - can't find it |
| 00:36.10 | rdancer | how do i record the sound data that program is dumping to /dev/dsp? (i'm playing using flash plugin in firecrap (non-free)) |
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| 00:36.45 | rdancer | Jochen_m: tidy -h 2>&1|grep -- -m |
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| 00:37.09 | dotz | Guys, how can I build a package, that installs in different root (not /, but some other directory) using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 00:37.17 | PerfDave | dotz: chroot? :) |
| 00:37.21 | mousex | rdancer: flashplayer | record (you get the picture) |
| 00:37.23 | Jochen_m | rdancer, I won't be unpolite, but wtf..!? *g* The man page did not tell me anything about your syntax |
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| 00:37.31 | PerfDave | chroot /opt dpkg-buildpackage thingamabob |
| 00:37.36 | rdancer | Jochen_m: mmnt.. |
| 00:37.40 | dotz | PerfDave: I'd have to copy all libs, that it depends on. |
| 00:38.14 | PerfDave | dotz: Was the first suggestion that came to my head |
| 00:38.37 | mousex | rdancer: or just plug a stereo (3.5mm) cable between audio/line out and line-in/mic |
| 00:38.38 | rdancer | Jochen_m: that is, look for the '-m' switch in the manpage |
| 00:38.53 | rdancer | mousex: eh, yeah |
| 00:38.59 | dotz | PerfDave: As good, as "setup vmware, install another debian in it" :) |
| 00:39.10 | rdancer | Jochen_m: or -help output, that is |
| 00:39.32 | mousex | rdancer: seriously. If you have gold-coated connectors, then the recording is great! I do it with a keyboard, since I can't get MIDI to work . . . |
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| 00:39.51 | Jochen_m | rdancer, k thank you! |
| 00:39.56 | rdancer | !k |
| 00:39.56 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 00:40.26 | alejandro_ | how can I do to use the paste page (http://channels.debian.net/paste/) in another channel? (#debian-es) |
| 00:40.39 | rdancer | mousex: hehe, yes |
| 00:40.39 | Jochen_m | Does Debian have no package for "nvu" ? |
| 00:40.39 | PerfDave | dotz: Nope, chroot is Free :p |
| 00:40.52 | rdancer | !wayttd Jochen_m |
| 00:40.53 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Jochen_m? |
| 00:40.57 | directhex | Jochen_m, no, and i don;'t think anyone's made one either |
| 00:41.03 | rdancer | !nvu |
| 00:41.03 | dpkg | well, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com/. No Debian package yet. |
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| 00:41.14 | dotz | PerfDave: I think I'll skip dpkg-buildpackage and just ./configure --prefix=... |
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| 00:41.35 | directhex | actually, "deb http://www.linex.org/sources/linex/debian sarge linex" |
| 00:41.37 | PerfDave | dotz: I'd be surprised if there wasn't a way to do it. |
| 00:41.40 | rdancer | oh, is it 0040 GMT, not 0140?? |
| 00:41.47 | PerfDave | directhex: Go to bed :) |
| 00:41.55 | htaccess | what exactly is the point of start-stop-daemon? |
| 00:42.30 | rdancer | htaccess: (1) code reusal (2) security (3) consistent api |
| 00:42.48 | mousex | how come UNIX computers have the hardware clock set to universal time? |
| 00:42.48 | directhex | PerfDave, bed is overrated |
| 00:43.04 | mousex | directhex: depends who you're with ;) |
| 00:43.04 | htaccess | rdancer: so its basically only gets used inside init.d scripts? |
| 00:43.13 | mousex | !tell directhex about virgin |
| 00:43.23 | PerfDave | mousex: It's a fairly sane way of doing things, no? |
| 00:43.49 | zirikili | anybody using debmirror? |
| 00:43.50 | mousex | PerfDave: what, beds or universal time? |
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| 00:43.54 | PerfDave | mousex: UTC |
| 00:43.56 | mousex | :) |
| 00:44.03 | htaccess | rdancer: and is it debian specific? |
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| 00:44.21 | PerfDave | mousex: It makes it easier to do locale calculations so different users can display stuff in their "home" timezones. |
| 00:44.27 | try_catch_this | how do I tell linux to use the same IP everytime it boots rather than use dhcp? |
| 00:44.31 | mousex | PerfDave: uh, so that's why |
| 00:44.35 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.35 | nvz | +~6~554 |
| 00:44.37 | nvz | e |
| 00:44.45 | mousex | try_catch_this: don't use dhclient |
| 00:44.54 | ciga | try_catch_this: set it to be static |
| 00:45.00 | rdancer | htaccess: anywhere you would start/stop daemon. which is mostly in init scripts. yes, is deb-specific, but other distros have to use similar mechanisms, or are fucked |
| 00:45.03 | mousex | try_catch_this: /etc/network |
| 00:45.04 | try_catch_this | where would I set the ip |
| 00:45.05 | nvz | try_catch_this: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:45.09 | try_catch_this | ok |
| 00:45.39 | PerfDave | mousex: Anyway, it's trivial to configure Linux to treat the system clock as non-UTC, which helps when dual-booting with 'doze for example. |
| 00:45.40 | mousex | try_catch_this: or dpkg-reconfigure dhclient ?????? not sure |
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| 00:46.08 | nvz | zignig: its a wireless keyboard. |
| 00:46.10 | mousex | PerfDave: but of course, win wanted to brake all standards . . . |
| 00:46.14 | try_catch_this | even if it uses dhcp I think it should be able to tell dhcp that it wants a certain ip |
| 00:46.32 | scarynetworkguy | try_catch_this: that's all server side. |
| 00:46.33 | directhex | try_catch_this, that's set server-side |
| 00:46.34 | PerfDave | mousex: Not really, DOS was the first OS for the IBM XT, so it set the standard there ;) |
| 00:46.41 | rdancer | htaccess: the point is, you must not have the stdin, stdout, stderr open when execing the daemon under non-root, else you basically allow the target user to run code as root (this happens anytime you use su/sudo to *lower* privileges) |
| 00:46.46 | mark | is there any linux app that would let me uncompress a rar file? |
| 00:46.55 | nvz | mark: unrar |
| 00:46.57 | rdancer | s/open/open to a terminal/ |
| 00:47.02 | PerfDave | mousex: UTC is more engrained in UNIX-ish culture. I remember hearing about old versions of Microsoft Visual SourceSafe which used local times for everything, and got pissy when you tried to submit a change at 10am your time when a foreign developer had committed one at 4pm their time ;) |
| 00:47.16 | mousex | try_catch_this: not sure why you say that |
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| 00:47.34 | mark | nvz thank you for some reason i didnt think to search for that |
| 00:47.53 | PerfDave | You can configure your DHCP server to allocate the same IP addresses to particular MACs. |
| 00:47.54 | mousex | PerfDave: m$ was always f*cking it all up . . |
| 00:47.54 | rdancer | try_catch_this: dhcp protocol provides for this |
| 00:47.54 | try_catch_this | well windows xp is the server linux is the client, I cant ask you guys about xp I can only ask about linux |
| 00:48.14 | nvz | mark: you dont like obvious assumptions maybe.. or maybe you were just being lazy, and didnt think about it at all |
| 00:48.22 | rdancer | try_catch_this: well as dhcp is made by ms, it would make sense anyhow |
| 00:48.36 | htaccess | rdancer: is there a good document/man page somewhwere on correctly writing debian /etc/init.d scripts? |
| 00:48.55 | mousex | try_catch_this: even in xp, look at network config, at the connection for the debian box, and give it a static IP . . . |
| 00:49.31 | mousex | rdancer: what?! dhcp is made by shitty m$?!!! |
| 00:49.54 | mousex | rdancer: what's the world comming to . . . |
| 00:49.58 | htaccess | dhcp for linux is made by ISC |
| 00:50.04 | rdancer | htaccess: proto |
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| 00:51.02 | htaccess | rdancer: im sorry, to what does proto refer? |
| 00:51.02 | rdancer | htaccess: cp /etc/init.d/{skeleton,myscript} && $EDITOR /etc/init.d/myscript && update-rc.d defaults |
| 00:51.02 | Fackamato | thanks for all your help! |
| 00:51.09 | rdancer | htaccess: eh, protocol, sorry |
| 00:51.29 | mousex | anybody has a joke? I'm getting bored here . . . |
| 00:51.31 | try_catch_this | thanks guys, I hope I dont need xp pro to give it a static ip |
| 00:51.44 | rdancer | mousex: a minute... |
| 00:51.53 | htaccess | yea i am copying the skeleton file but wouldnt mind reading a bit about what im doing |
| 00:51.57 | mark | nvz probably just got lazy after look at all the pages of results for rar |
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| 00:52.48 | kombi | how can I point sasl to include openssl? I'm close to giving up here.. |
| 00:53.04 | rdancer | mousex: line 1 column 1 - Warning: SYSTEM, PUBLIC, W3C, DTD, EN must be upper case: <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//Dtd HTML 4.0 transitional//EN"> |
| 00:53.04 | mousex | is there a math channel? that would probably quit my boredom |
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| 00:53.27 | kombi | anyone here compiled cyrus-sasl lately? |
| 00:53.49 | pusling | argf... found a link from mythtv.org to debianpackages - and the page is down... |
| 00:53.51 | mousex | rdancer: i don't get it |
| 00:54.06 | rdancer | mousex: ``Dtd'' |
| 00:54.15 | mousex | :? |
| 00:54.20 | mousex | uh |
| 00:54.22 | mousex | :lol |
| 00:54.51 | rdancer | mousex: you just can't do this error unless you are maximally stupid. it's a shift-error |
| 00:54.52 | mousex | wait, cool, there's irc for math!!! mathforum.org has irc!!! :) |
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| 00:55.15 | giupy | can i remove kacpid from kernel without recompiling? |
| 00:56.14 | rdancer | giupy: noacpi on the kernel commandline? |
| 00:56.44 | giupy | rdancer noacpi or acpi=offf? |
| 00:56.49 | giupy | off |
| 00:56.50 | rdancer | giupy: don't know |
| 00:57.13 | giupy | however if i disable acpi all kernel doesn't boot |
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| 00:57.34 | rdancer | giupy: eh, then you prolly want kacpi? |
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| 00:58.03 | giupy | rdancer dunno but kacpi take 70% of my cpu usage and ican't do nothing |
| 00:58.14 | rdancer | giupy: eh, that's bad |
| 00:58.22 | giupy | yeah |
| 00:58.35 | giupy | another question..... |
| 00:58.41 | rdancer | giupy: you sure it's a real cpu usage, and not something bogus? |
| 00:58.58 | giupy | rdancer dunno i have seen it from top |
| 00:59.14 | rdancer | giupy: i.e. the bug is not in top or the *measurement* stuff? |
| 00:59.29 | giupy | bogus = bug ? |
| 00:59.44 | try_catch_this | how would I know if my hardware will work with linux before I buy it? |
| 01:00.06 | htaccess | rdancer: for example why in skeleton: case "$1" in stop) does start-stop-daemon have --exec $DAEMON?? i would expect something like "start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --pidfile /var/run/$NAME.pid -signal 9" or something |
| 01:00.19 | rdancer | giupy: i mean, isn't top fooled by something, and reporting some excessive usage, whilst in fact the cpu is idle? |
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| 01:00.33 | htaccess | also what is the default signal? |
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| 01:00.39 | rdancer | !rtfmsmite htaccess |
| 01:00.43 | giupy | rdancer dunno |
| 01:00.53 | giupy | and i'm on windows now |
| 01:01.03 | rdancer | eh, it got deleted or what? |
| 01:01.05 | rdancer | !rtfm |
| 01:01.05 | dpkg | it has been said that rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 01:01.59 | htaccess | yes I am currently asking questions not answered in "man start-stop-daemon" |
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| 01:02.19 | rdancer | giupy: what does cat /proc/loadavg say? |
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| 01:02.26 | dondelelcaro | htaccess: "With --stop, specifies the signal to send to processes being stopped (default 15)" |
| 01:02.30 | dondelelcaro | NEXT! |
| 01:02.40 | zignig | dondelelcaro: what's a computer ? |
| 01:02.47 | dondelelcaro | zignig: one that computes. |
| 01:02.57 | ciga | dondelelcaro: I'd like to connect to my linux box from windows using chap, but my linux says the that remote side must be authenticated. But it works fine when this box is not on an adsl link. Why is this? |
| 01:02.58 | giupy | rdancer dunnoi'm on windwos sorry but i did think that it was a simple problem.... |
| 01:03.04 | NachPlus | does anyone know if cdrecord has a limitation on DVD-Rs? Since K3b won't let me burn more than 4.4GB to it even though the discs are labled 4.7 |
| 01:03.20 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: if trainstation is a place where the train stops, what is a workstation? |
| 01:03.24 | dondelelcaro | ciga: name resolution, most likely. |
| 01:03.44 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: a place where you "work" |
| 01:03.47 | pusling | is there any daemon to watch '/proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state' on my laptop ? |
| 01:03.51 | giupy | when i try to load module acpi in kernel pc shutdown automatically and say me critical temperature before doing it |
| 01:03.58 | ciga | dondelelcaro: pppd says the remote must be authenticated. |
| 01:04.05 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: what's the meaning of life? |
| 01:04.29 | ciga | rdancer: 42 |
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| 01:04.48 | rdancer | eh, wrong, ciga |
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| 01:04.56 | Stormfro1 | I am having trouble settup up gd2 (GD graphics library) on my server... Ive apt-get isntalled all possible gd2 modules but the script that needs it refuses to acknowledge its existance and take advatage of it. When I mailed the dev of the script I want to use gd he replied "SPG needs the standard GD package". Being an linux amateur I am not sure what he means, would this imply a gd library module that is not precompiled for debian? That is, I would ... |
| 01:05.02 | Stormfro1 | ... have to install and build manually? |
| 01:05.23 | Stormfro1 | (spg being the script I want to run) |
| 01:05.24 | htaccess | ah i see --exec specifies the executable, but --start and --stop actually doe the starting and stopping |
| 01:05.30 | bloom | !life |
| 01:05.30 | dpkg | Life? Don't talk to me about life. |
| 01:05.43 | rdancer | dpkg: marvin!? |
| 01:05.44 | dpkg | rdancer: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:05.45 | giupy | why ./configure of mplayer doesn't see video device like xv and x11 if i have x11 installed ? debian sarge |
| 01:06.11 | ciga | giupy: it needs the dev packges |
| 01:06.17 | rdancer | giupy: you don't have the appropriate -dev packages? |
| 01:06.22 | bloom | htaccess: you should see Karsten Self's analysis of how much there is to learn from manpages |
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| 01:06.28 | giupy | what i need ? |
| 01:06.30 | js_ | giupy: install xlibs-dev |
| 01:06.32 | dondelelcaro | htaccess: --exec only does anything if you don't have pidfiles. It doesn't even tell you which executable you're supposed to start. |
| 01:06.40 | giupy | js_ only? |
| 01:06.53 | bloom | htaccess: lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/05/msg00959.html |
| 01:06.59 | ciga | dondelelcaro: it seems to me that you give up. |
| 01:06.59 | RainbowW | does scp -r * get everything including the dotfiles and dotdirs? |
| 01:07.00 | dondelelcaro | well, doesn't necessarily tell you |
| 01:07.07 | htaccess | bloom: thanks, will take a look |
| 01:07.16 | dondelelcaro | ciga: I don't deal with PPP. I refuse to acknowledge it's existence. |
| 01:07.18 | rdancer | RainbowW: have you tried it? |
| 01:07.30 | mousex | oh, yeah! prime numbers are fun! Maybe I'll make a live Debian CD that just computes primes . . . (with some porn to quite boredom ;) ) |
| 01:07.35 | ciga | :) |
| 01:07.39 | ciga | G'night |
| 01:07.51 | rdancer | mousex: wow |
| 01:07.59 | giupy | well i restart linux, thanks all for help bye bye |
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| 01:08.13 | TheBlueWizard | mousex: it is getting offtopic |
| 01:08.15 | Lukas_Arts | Hi! |
| 01:08.26 | mousex | ha, ha, just a little off topic . . . |
| 01:08.36 | mousex | I just thought I'd say that out loud :) |
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| 01:08.56 | kingsley | Can any text editor insert ANSI highlighting sequences around text selected with the mouse? |
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| 01:09.08 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: yes, almost any text editor can do that. |
| 01:09.08 | rdancer | kingsley: what? |
| 01:09.17 | Lukas_Arts | What I need to instal to fix this: configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. ? |
| 01:09.35 | dondelelcaro | Lukas_Arts: install build-essential; |
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| 01:09.45 | kingsley | rdancer: I'm looking for an electronic replacement for the old tried and true yellow highlighting pen. |
| 01:09.51 | dondelelcaro | Lukas_Arts: aka, install a freaking compiler if you actually expect to be able to compile things. |
| 01:09.51 | Lukas_Arts | ok |
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| 01:10.14 | dondelelcaro | cf, installit |
| 01:10.22 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: Do you happen to know how to make vim insert ANSI highlighting sequences around text selected with the mouse? |
| 01:10.44 | rdancer | kingsley: #vim |
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| 01:10.55 | b0ef | I have a mx1000 mouse and xev cannot see button 11 and 12; anyone know what too look at? |
| 01:10.56 | dondelelcaro | mouse? in vim? |
| 01:11.01 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: sure |
| 01:11.10 | kingsley | rdancer: Been there, done that, got the T shirt. |
| 01:11.21 | dondelelcaro | Lukas_Arts: read /topic, and don't /msg me. |
| 01:11.29 | kingsley | dondelelcaro: Yes. |
| 01:11.39 | rdancer | kingsley: enable visual-mode by mouse |
| 01:11.44 | dondelelcaro | Lukas_Arts: what version of Debian is this? |
| 01:12.10 | dondelelcaro | hell, I barely use the mouse in emacs... |
| 01:12.27 | Lukas_Arts | Wood |
| 01:12.44 | kreg | Go Chiefs! |
| 01:13.09 | rdancer | kingsley: then :vmap something to adding the ansi ^[[<colorcode>m before, and ^[[0m after the selection, and escape to normal mode. you're done |
| 01:13.12 | dondelelcaro | Lukas_Arts: if you're actually running woody, and have recently run apt-get update; there's no way that libc6-dev or g++ can't be installed |
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| 01:13.21 | dondelelcaro | !info libc6-dev |
| 01:13.24 | dondelelcaro | !info libc6-dev woody |
| 01:13.25 | dpkg | libc6-dev: (GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files), section libdevel, is standard. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-18 (sid), Packaged size: 2471 kB, Installed size: 8652 kB |
| 01:13.26 | dpkg | libc6-dev: (GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files.), section devel, is standard. Version: 2.2.5-11.5 (woody), Packaged size: 2334 kB, Installed size: 11592 kB |
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| 01:14.40 | kingsley | rdancer: Yes, that may well work, although I'm hoping to avoid re-inventing the wheel. |
| 01:16.19 | rdancer | kingsley: you probably be re-implementing a wheel. |
| 01:18.17 | rdancer | kingsley: synmark.vim ? |
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| 01:20.50 | rdancer | kingsley: emacs probably has something like this |
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| 01:21.26 | Guerin | emacs could do it with macros, much like you were suggesting with vmap |
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| 01:21.50 | kingsley | rdancer: Thanks for finding synmark.vim. I'm checking it out. |
| 01:21.52 | rdancer | why is there no #ed ? |
| 01:22.02 | Guerin | I don't know if there's an arbitrary "insert ansi shit before and after region" |
| 01:22.41 | Guerin | rdancer: you'd get pretty lonely in there... |
| 01:22.48 | rdancer | Guerin: "insert <something> before and <something else after>" |
| 01:23.00 | rdancer | Guerin: which is sed... 8-( |
| 01:23.04 | Guerin | rdancer: yeah |
| 01:23.12 | Guerin | rdancer: you can run sed from within emacs... |
| 01:23.14 | rdancer | but there is #sed! 8-)) |
| 01:23.51 | Muffie | anyone uses EXIM? |
| 01:24.12 | Guerin | !irritate Muffie |
| 01:24.12 | dpkg | Muffie: hi every1 how does I run teh quake3 !!!! |
| 01:24.14 | rdancer | Muffie: no, noone uses exim. not even the people who use exim use it |
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| 01:24.36 | Muffie | i knew I should have installed gentoo |
| 01:24.37 | spiekey | hello! |
| 01:24.55 | rdancer | spiekey: hi |
| 01:25.02 | Guerin | Muffie: why? |
| 01:25.12 | rdancer | !wayttd Muffie |
| 01:25.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Muffie? |
| 01:25.17 | Guerin | Muffie: don't pretend like gentoo would make it easier to set up a mta |
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| 01:25.25 | rdancer | Guerin: lol |
| 01:25.28 | Muffie | trying to send email using my smtp server |
| 01:25.34 | rdancer | !gentoo |
| 01:25.34 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc and Sparc64 systems. It rules all the inferior distributions (Sadly, not all other distributions are inferior ;). Kinda of akin to BSD according to chouimat, or something you don't want to administer more than 2 of, or a nice file browser, or see also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ and http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm, or and see http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 01:25.36 | dob | hi |
| 01:25.37 | Guerin | Muffie: what's stopping you? |
| 01:25.41 | spiekey | did the debian community ever think of a central control tool to set up network, dsl, modem, display, etc? |
| 01:25.56 | rdancer | Muffie: dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 01:26.02 | spiekey | a GUI one so that even new users will feel confortable to use it? |
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| 01:26.06 | Guerin | spiekey: it's called debconf |
| 01:26.10 | Muffie | Guerin: Relay Not permitted. thats stopping me |
| 01:26.15 | xam | spiekey: ughhh |
| 01:26.22 | dob | i use woody but i have to install some packages from backports.org, these packages require the update of debconf too, can i have some problem upgrading debconf ? |
| 01:26.25 | spiekey | is debconf not console only? |
| 01:26.27 | rdancer | spiekey: yes, the {gnome,kde}-control-center |
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| 01:26.47 | Guerin | spiekey: and I know you're thinking of yast, and there has been some talk of porting yast2 to debian, but frankly, given what a bastardisation suse's config is, I'm not confident. |
| 01:26.48 | spiekey | rdancer : that just for kde/gnome. |
| 01:26.51 | rdancer | spiekey: or /etc/, or webmin, or linuxconf |
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| 01:27.11 | mousex | rdancer: I thought linuxconf wasn't around any longer |
| 01:27.23 | Guerin | spiekey: no, debconf can run in gnome or kde or other dialogues, but DON'T USE IT, because config utils should always be console-only |
| 01:27.31 | spiekey | rdancer: i know. but i am thinking of NEW users who want to switch from windows. I find it really hard for them to get around in debian. |
| 01:27.32 | rdancer | spiekey: above /etc/, any attempt to do that is futile |
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| 01:27.51 | Guerin | spiekey: what's the use of trying to use an X-based UI to set up X when you're only having to set up X because you can't set up X ? |
| 01:27.57 | Muffie | Guerin: "550 relay not permitted" just after dpkg-reconfigure exim4 |
| 01:28.13 | spiekey | Guerin : ok, X is a bad example. |
| 01:28.24 | Cuga_ | Muffie, are you trying to bounce off somebody elses smtp? |
| 01:28.32 | Stormfro1 | Hello again ppl. I have soem trouble trying to run a ./configure for a library I am trying to install. Installation complains about "C compiler not found! Change the $compiler setting at the top of the" Now, how the heck do I find out what compiler I am using? Should I have a C compiler? Do I already have one but the script doesnt detect it? Do I enter another compiler for some reason, and what compiler should I use then? *completely clueless* |
| 01:28.36 | Muffie | thats my own SMTP server. |
| 01:28.37 | Guerin | Muffie: have you told exim that the client is allowed to relay there? read the exim doc, ask in #exim. |
| 01:28.42 | spiekey | i dont wanna say it, but SuSEs advantage is Yast, cause its easy, and kind of works. |
| 01:28.55 | Muffie | Guerin: They are all sleeping @ #exim |
| 01:29.06 | Guerin | !b-e Stormfro1 |
| 01:29.06 | dpkg | Stormfro1: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 01:29.13 | kingsley | rdancer: I'm having trouble getting synmark.vim to change text's background color. |
| 01:29.17 | rdancer | !yast |
| 01:29.17 | dpkg | hmm... yast is Yet Another Stupid package Tool :) |
| 01:29.18 | kombi | do i hear own smtp server? |
| 01:29.22 | Stormfro1 | dpkg: mkay |
| 01:29.22 | dpkg | Stormfro1: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:29.25 | rdancer | ~yast |
| 01:29.27 | apt | methinks yast is "Yet Another Setup Tool" and is used by SuSE for installation and configuration. It has now been GPL'd thanks to its acquisition by Novell. |
| 01:29.27 | Cuga_ | Muffie, when you reconfigure, dont specify a relay if you are using purely your own smtp |
| 01:29.34 | rdancer | so it's non-free |
| 01:29.38 | rdancer | eh, free |
| 01:29.42 | spiekey | i know you all love console and dialog, i live it too. But what do i tell my mum or sister? Beginners just need something alike. |
| 01:29.44 | Stormfro1 | dpkg: you bet... I am all high on tea |
| 01:29.45 | dpkg | Stormfro1: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:29.47 | Guerin | rdancer: no, it's free NOW, it was non-free |
| 01:29.49 | pusling | apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install kernel-source-2.6.8 - can I easy see what depends on this package? |
| 01:29.49 | kombi | I am still fighting with cyrus-sasl, anyone done it lately? |
| 01:29.50 | spiekey | does anyone agree? |
| 01:29.54 | Stormfro1 | :) |
| 01:30.17 | Guerin | rdancer: it's still shit, though, and it mangles config files like hell |
| 01:30.30 | kombi | how do i make openssl visible to cyrus-sasl? |
| 01:30.33 | RainbowW | crap, i forgot that my home directory contains an entire debian mirror. :( |
| 01:30.35 | Guerin | spiekey: what business do such people have administering a computer? |
| 01:30.46 | Muffie | Cuga_: Theres a router receiving the Cable link. 3 computers behind (192.168.1.<xxx>). One of them is the SMTP server. Only computers from the same network should be allowed to send e-mails. |
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| 01:30.54 | Guerin | spiekey: and DON'T accuse me of being elitist - would you allow them to service their own car? |
| 01:31.22 | rdancer | spiekey: what makes you think beginners can't work on the commandline? |
| 01:31.30 | xam | RainbowW: and fecking entire mirror? thats something you usually don't forget easily |
| 01:31.41 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:31.44 | Guerin | !moron RainbowW |
| 01:31.45 | dpkg | RainbowW: You are moron #76 |
| 01:31.50 | spiekey | rdancer: they are simply afraid of it. |
| 01:31.51 | Muffie | rdancer: My difficulties setting MTA makes he think that |
| 01:31.54 | RainbowW | xam: i knew it was there, i'd just forgotten where exactly on that box i put it. :) |
| 01:32.01 | rdancer | spiekey: that's treatable |
| 01:32.31 | rdancer | Muffie: that's another issue. it's *debian* configuration. debian is not for mere mortals |
| 01:32.41 | xam | RainbowW: duh. A 'df' would easily shown you where to find it |
| 01:32.41 | Stormfro1 | My next crack smoking question would then be, what are build essential modules called? (A bit to hard to search for since more or less all packages have some searchinfo that contain the word "build" :P) |
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| 01:32.44 | Guerin | it's not even that |
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| 01:33.01 | spiekey | another good example is the whole stdout stuff... we need to develop something which shows you a error as a msg, not only on the console as stderr. |
| 01:33.02 | rdancer | Muffie: apt-get install postfix might help you a bit |
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| 01:45.35 | dondelelcaro | Lukas_Arts: not 2.3.2.ds1-18 |
| 01:45.37 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: WTF? |
| 01:45.46 | MustangMatt | Guerin... I mean those drives are in a seperate machine just for backup. Not the actual machine that I want to backup. |
| 01:45.47 | Lukas_Arts | but i installed it from sarge -_- |
| 01:45.55 | dondelelcaro | Lukas_Arts: so you're obviously not running woody. |
| 01:46.01 | scarynetworkguy | jharrison: Sniffing is an essential network troubleshooting tool. |
| 01:46.01 | MustangMatt | So then I'd do incrementals on that mirrored array |
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| 01:46.04 | Guerin | MustangMatt: ah, that's reasonable. If there's enough space on it. |