| 00:00.01 | Dabian` | I wonder where debian puts dock.lua |
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| 00:01.10 | MerlinCorey | fusion: what are your needs? |
| 00:01.12 | robc | PerfDave: Thanks, didnt work though : Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libXxf86vm.so.1' returned no results. |
| 00:01.25 | andax | I have changed my video card from nvidia to ati.. I installed the fglrx driver successfully, (X runs with the driver "fglrx" option). The problem is that I see something like this in XFree86.log: |
| 00:01.29 | andax | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 00:01.29 | andax | (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation" |
| 00:01.45 | andax | how to get back the original file? |
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| 00:01.48 | plagerism | andax, I just had that same damn problem |
| 00:02.00 | PerfDave | robc: Perhaps it's not packaged for Debian then. |
| 00:02.02 | jetscreamer | uninstall the nvidai first |
| 00:02.04 | PerfDave | robc: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:02.14 | andax | jetscreamer, how to uninstall it? |
| 00:02.17 | jetscreamer | you used the glx.deb or the nvidia installer, no? |
| 00:02.18 | robc | im just after this lib so that i can play racer |
| 00:02.27 | plagerism | andax there should be a file called nvidia in your /usr/Whatever/X11R6 with the old glx files |
| 00:02.28 | robc | i used to play it back when i was a slack user, |
| 00:02.30 | andax | jetscreamer: i used the nvidia installer |
| 00:02.35 | andax | oooh cool |
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| 00:02.41 | andax | i'll try to find them |
| 00:02.45 | robc | ldd reads that as being the only missing dependancy |
| 00:02.58 | jetscreamer | andax, sh NVIDIA-blah.run -A | less the directive is in there |
| 00:03.05 | MerlinCorey | robc: so racer isn't packaged for debian? |
| 00:03.08 | jetscreamer | or read the README.txt on nvidia site |
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| 00:03.18 | fusion | my needs? |
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| 00:03.41 | robc | MerlinCorey: nope |
| 00:03.49 | MerlinCorey | robc: race is |
| 00:03.50 | simonrvn | your needs are your own business |
| 00:03.51 | MerlinCorey | :p |
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| 00:04.00 | MerlinCorey | fusion: like hardware, stability, etc |
| 00:04.22 | fusion | ..? |
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| 00:04.29 | fusion | its a computer |
| 00:04.32 | fusion | thats about it really |
| 00:04.58 | MerlinCorey | fusion: desktop machine? |
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| 00:05.10 | fusion | Server |
| 00:05.18 | robc | MerlinCorey: race is a completely different game, but thanks for looking into it |
| 00:05.29 | MerlinCorey | robc: *shrug* play nethack |
| 00:05.32 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 00:05.37 | robc | :p |
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| 00:06.15 | MerlinCorey | fusion: well, I think most would recommend 2.4 unless some of your hardware requires 2.6 |
| 00:06.32 | andax | plagerism, how did you solve the nvidia-to-ati problem? |
| 00:06.40 | fusion | oh |
| 00:06.41 | FieldySnuts | I have no problem recommending 2.6 |
| 00:07.00 | FieldySnuts | 2.4 should work fine in most situations however, try both |
| 00:07.20 | MerlinCorey | well, the thing is, he's talking server |
| 00:07.24 | MerlinCorey | which means "stability" |
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| 00:07.49 | directhex | andax, why did you replace an nvidia with an ati? uinless you went from a geforce 4 mx to an x800 platinum, it'll probably be slower |
| 00:08.05 | andax | went from ti4200 to 9600xt |
| 00:08.18 | andax | but it's already replaced :) i cannot undo it |
| 00:08.33 | Shadur | andax: Why can't you? |
| 00:08.42 | directhex | andax, that's a 50% speed decrease |
| 00:09.27 | andax | i don't know and I don't really care about the damn videocard, i just need working opengl :) (i play no games..) |
| 00:09.32 | FieldySnuts | ati's official linux drivers are total poop |
| 00:09.37 | FieldySnuts | not to mention nonfree |
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| 00:10.06 | andax | i managed to install it... the only problem is that the glx extension has been replaced by the Nvidia installer |
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| 00:10.17 | DimmuR | does anyone use dri drivers for ati under 2.6 kernel ? |
| 00:10.26 | andax | DimmuR, yes... |
| 00:10.30 | andax | 2.6.6 |
| 00:10.48 | UnNamed | hi, is there a way to make sources.list accept a site that does not follow the typical line? it lacks distro, it is just a dir with Sources.gz, Packages.gz and lots of deb |
| 00:10.48 | DimmuR | andax, is it working good or u had problems with installing? |
| 00:11.08 | caphuso | UnNamed: doesn't matter |
| 00:11.10 | DimmuR | i'm thinking about migration to 2.6 but |
| 00:11.12 | directhex | andax, did you run nvidia-installer --uninstall? |
| 00:11.24 | UnNamed | caphuso: well, deb url fails |
| 00:11.33 | andax | directhex, no... i download the installer again and try it. |
| 00:11.42 | caphuso | UnNamed: then fix it |
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| 00:12.08 | UnNamed | caphuso: uh ? you mean the site? |
| 00:12.13 | caphuso | UnNamed: no, your sources.list |
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| 00:12.35 | directhex | andax, nvidia-installer copies itself to /sbin or something to allow you to uninstall... |
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| 00:13.04 | UnNamed | caphuso: it wants a dist, there is no dist there, and if i fake it, it fails |
| 00:13.23 | Narg | why isnt cp <source> <to> working? |
| 00:13.24 | caphuso | UnNamed: what's the URL? |
| 00:13.25 | xam | UnNamed: actually I doubt it. at least the Packages.gz/Sources.gz has to be in the correct directories, but I guess if you change/modify the filepath of the packages that are listed in Packages.gz/Source.gz you could have all .debs in a single dir |
| 00:13.28 | andax | uninstall complete thanks |
| 00:13.32 | andax | now i restart x |
| 00:13.59 | spilo | hello everyone. I have installed hotwayd to rettreave email from hotmail using evolution, but there seems nt to be hotsmtpd package on debian for me to send email through hotmail.. does any of you have any experiance doing this? |
| 00:14.05 | UnNamed | caphuso: if i do not put something parse error, if i do, wrong lookup |
| 00:14.09 | UnNamed | caphuso: http://3demi.net/debian/debs/ |
| 00:14.56 | xam | UnNamed: that actually doesn't look too bad |
| 00:15.03 | UnNamed | xam: well, that site has all in one, and i dunno all the tricks (maybe it is completly wrong) |
| 00:15.03 | caphuso | UnNamed: works just fine for me |
| 00:15.05 | caphuso | http://3demi.net/debian/debs/ |
| 00:15.08 | caphuso | err, |
| 00:15.12 | caphuso | deb http://3demi.net/debian/debs/ |
| 00:15.16 | caphuso | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.24 | caphuso | damnit, stupid mouse copy&paste |
| 00:15.43 | UnNamed | so you have to put a "./"? |
| 00:15.52 | xam | caphuso: sounds more like a pebkac to me ;-P |
| 00:15.53 | caphuso | UnNamed: obviously |
| 00:16.01 | caphuso | xam: partly |
| 00:16.02 | xam | UnNamed: yes, ./ should work |
| 00:16.12 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.21 | nvz | I use screen whenever I can |
| 00:16.30 | spilo | is there any daemon that I could use to retreive and send emaild via httpmail? I appreciate your help |
| 00:16.30 | caphuso | xam: i tend to get seriously confused when mixing screen and X pate buffers |
| 00:16.46 | nvz | in X if you close the app you copied from the shit leaves the clipboard |
| 00:17.00 | UnNamed | caphuso: uum, ok thanks, all examples i found had words |
| 00:17.10 | caphuso | UnNamed: it's just directory names |
| 00:17.16 | xam | caphuso: at least this is not as bad (mouse enabled) vim and X clipboard |
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| 00:17.29 | hanoi_pm | I have a question: how to tell dkpg to compile a new iptables package that includes all PoM applied to the kernel, and those applied (normally, it includes some non-standard PoM that doesn't included in the standard kernel) |
| 00:17.30 | SlackinJon | hello everyone |
| 00:18.22 | caphuso | X copy&paste worked just fine, until this morons "linux for the desktop" morons came up |
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| 00:18.33 | UnNamed | xam: man page could have this is example if so obvious, the top text is not so clear :] |
| 00:18.37 | angrylinuxgeek | exit |
| 00:18.41 | rdancer | spilo: there is gmailfs, and yahoo retrieving thing similar to getmail. use POP3/IMAP/getmail/SMTP |
| 00:18.55 | SlackinJon | Who here likes Slackware? |
| 00:19.00 | xam | caphuso: I agree heartly |
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| 00:19.12 | andax | i uninstalled the nvidia driver... but didn't get the file "libglx.o" back. now what? :) |
| 00:19.16 | nvz | SlackinJon: would go to hell answer your question? |
| 00:19.36 | caphuso | andax: reinstall the debian package containing that file |
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| 00:19.52 | FieldySnuts | fd.o still not got their junk back together after being owned? |
| 00:20.03 | xam | caphuso: don't do it, it will activate their doomsday machine! |
| 00:20.04 | andax | caphuso: i searched on www.debian.org but couldn't find a package that contains that file |
| 00:20.04 | SlackinJon | nvz: it was a joke... |
| 00:20.16 | doub | caphuso: but this is a standard... hum |
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| 00:20.30 | nvz | SlackinJon: dont quit your day job |
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| 00:20.44 | SlackinJon | nvz: I take it that you don't like slackware? |
| 00:20.47 | jbr | SlackinJon: I don't understand the joke, please explain with diagrams |
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| 00:21.02 | caphuso | andax: then there isn't one |
| 00:21.09 | nvz | SlackinJon: no, its just wildly off topic |
| 00:21.18 | andax | that file must have come from somewhere |
| 00:21.20 | SlackinJon | jbr: hehe... sure thing.. I'll get right to it. |
| 00:21.52 | forgiven | What file sharing program do you recomend for Debian and how do I keep from being sued? |
| 00:22.05 | FieldySnuts | @riaasmite forgiven |
| 00:22.09 | FieldySnuts | darn |
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| 00:22.26 | PerfDave | forgiven: nicotine, mldonkey. Don't get sued by distributing legally redistributable files, check out http://www.creativecommons.org/ for an archive of legally shareable music. |
| 00:22.29 | caphuso | forgiven: a wget/apache combination and don't share stuff you aren't allowed to share |
| 00:22.30 | SlackinJon | nvz: That's cool... I'm using DSL currently while at work... Slackware at home. My work won't let me install Linux on their boxen... sigh. |
| 00:22.32 | FieldySnuts | if you have to worry about being sued, you sure as hell shouldn't be doing it here. |
| 00:22.34 | UnNamed | caphuso: to be exact it is "deb http://3demi.net/debian/ debs/" |
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| 00:23.00 | SlackinJon | nvz: which is also why I'm here... pick up a few tricks with Debain based distros... |
| 00:23.32 | caphuso | UnNamed: that's pointing to the same directory as "deb http://3demi.net/debian/debs ./" |
| 00:24.01 | caphuso | tekpunk? |
| 00:24.18 | UnNamed | caphuso: well, same pointing, but otherwise it fails |
| 00:24.26 | PerfDave | caphuso: Kind of like futuregreebo with more distortion. |
| 00:24.28 | jetscreamer | hey wtf is this shit i'm sick of seeing it every upgrade: ** (process:6057): CRITICAL **: file eggdesktopentries.c: line 2223 (egg_desktop_entries_add_group): assertion `egg_desktop_entries_lookup_group (entries, group_name) == NULL' failed |
| 00:24.31 | andax | plagerism, how did you solve the ati/glx problem? |
| 00:24.40 | caphuso | futuregreebo?!? |
| 00:24.49 | caphuso | am i getting that old? |
| 00:25.06 | SlackinJon | andax: what is your problem? using fglrx? |
| 00:25.10 | PerfDave | caphuso: futuregreebo is to greebo as futurepop is to cybergoth ;) |
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| 00:25.31 | hardwire | does anybody have discover1 or working for autodetecting/configuring ide/scsi cdroms? |
| 00:25.34 | caphuso | PerfDave: you're making those up |
| 00:25.39 | hardwire | discover1 or discover2 ;) |
| 00:25.40 | PerfDave | caphuso: Not at all. |
| 00:26.01 | andax | SlackinJon, the problem is that the file "libglx.so" was replaced by the nvidia installer before, now I have an ATI card and can't get the original file back => i have no opengl |
| 00:26.08 | spilo | This is pissing me off! I want to get hotway and hotsmtp both runnng on my system but the binay [package only installs hotway. I tried to compile the source to het hotsmtpd but it required cyrus-sals, so I got source for that.. but it had errors while compiling! what the hack am I supposed to do now? |
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| 00:26.46 | Dabian` | In ion, how do I set the wallpaper? |
| 00:26.54 | SlackinJon | andax: libglx.so should be provided by X... did you try to reinstall your X package? |
| 00:26.55 | caphuso | Dabian`: you don't |
| 00:26.58 | dawoua | andax: the file libglx.so belongs to ati drivers or debian ? |
| 00:27.01 | rdancer | Dabian`: Esetroot or xsetbg, i presume |
| 00:27.02 | caphuso | Dabian`: you're not going to see it anyways |
| 00:27.14 | SlackinJon | dawoua: it does not belong to either.... |
| 00:27.16 | Dabian` | caphuso: What about transparant terminals? |
| 00:27.24 | dawoua | SlackinJon: ok |
| 00:27.27 | andax | dawoua, this is what i'm asking ... i don't know, i can't find where it originally came from. |
| 00:27.29 | dawoua | SlackinJon: im learnin here |
| 00:27.41 | SlackinJon | dawoua: no worries... |
| 00:27.44 | dawoua | :) |
| 00:27.47 | SlackinJon | we are all here to learn |
| 00:27.48 | andax | SlackinJon, what is the exact package name to reinstall? |
| 00:27.54 | caphuso | Dabian`: if you use those, you're beyond help |
| 00:28.05 | Dabian` | caphuso: (Apart from the fact, that I could use background in them) |
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| 00:28.16 | SlackinJon | I'm not sure... XFree or xorg. |
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| 00:28.28 | Dabian` | caphuso: Are you german, by any rate? |
| 00:28.34 | caphuso | Dabian`: yes |
| 00:28.36 | dawoua | SlackinJon: do you have an ATI card? |
| 00:28.40 | SlackinJon | andax: one of the two. . . but the exact package name I could not tell you... |
| 00:28.55 | Dabian` | caphuso: We're neighbors almost then. I'm from Denmark. |
| 00:29.00 | SlackinJon | dawoua: yes... a 9000 Pro.. on my home box. |
| 00:29.12 | andax | SlackinJon, i've searched on www.debian.org and it looks like no debian package offers "libglx.so". |
| 00:29.23 | a_monkey | i installed the Desktop environment, so now how do i enter it? |
| 00:29.33 | Guerin | a_monkey: startx |
| 00:29.36 | andax | anyone with an ATI card want to send me that damn file? :)))))))))))))) |
| 00:29.44 | PerfDave | a_monkey: kdm should load when you start your system up. |
| 00:29.53 | Guerin | andax: sure, because the file on its own will be all kids of use... |
| 00:30.01 | jbr | andax: not nvidia-glx? |
| 00:30.07 | caphuso | andax: libglx.so is part of the nvidia glx stuff, so you're not exactly needing it with an ati card... |
| 00:30.22 | eddyp | how can I give multiple IP-s to an eth? |
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| 00:30.24 | hanoi_pm | I have a question: how to tell dkpg to compile a new iptables package that includes all PoM applied to the kernel, and those applied (normally, it includes some non-standard PoM that doesn't included in the standard kernel) |
| 00:30.31 | SlackinJon | andax: there libglx.so would be part of your X server's package... |
| 00:30.34 | Dabian` | eddyp: You alias some of the IP's. |
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| 00:30.47 | dawoua | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:30.51 | Dabian` | eddyp: At least that is one way of doing it. |
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| 00:31.01 | SlackinJon | andax: you would have to reinstall XFree86 or Xorg depending which one you use. |
| 00:31.03 | eddyp | Dabian`: more info being where? |
| 00:31.05 | andax | jbr/caphuso, but the ati driver readme says that I should add "loadmodule "glx"" to the x configuration |
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| 00:31.33 | andax | SlackinJon, by the way, which one should i use? :) (i use XFree86 now) |
| 00:31.33 | SlackinJon | andax: exactly... the lib is part of X not just nvidia.. . |
| 00:32.05 | Kbyte | http://creativefreedomdefense.org/page1.htm |
| 00:32.21 | kirchhoff | I have set "PasswordAuthentication no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, restarted sshd (/etc/init.d/ssh restart). However, I can still login using passwords.. Any ideas??? |
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| 00:32.26 | SlackinJon | andax: does not matter... using the fglrx driver I would stick with XFree86 4.3, but it also works with xorg 6.7, |
| 00:32.27 | Kbyte | ups |
| 00:32.30 | Kbyte | wrong channel |
| 00:32.34 | SlackinJon | andax: just don |
| 00:32.37 | andax | okay part of X.. i see. But the file is not in any of the debian/sid packages... |
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| 00:32.54 | caphuso | !find libglx.so |
| 00:32.55 | SlackinJon | andax: just don't use it with xorg 6.8 -- still has issues with the driver |
| 00:33.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libglx.so' (1 shown): (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/{libglx.so|libglx.so.1.0.6629}) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx. |
| 00:33.04 | bwlang | just got a very sad message... kicking non-fresh from array... is there any way to recover from this situation? |
| 00:33.08 | dawoua | SlackinJon: what do you think about using the driver (ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 3.14.6) on an ATI radeon 7500, ati's says it supports only from radeon 8500 ? |
| 00:33.21 | caphuso | oh, look, it's in the nvidia-glx package and not in one of the xfree86 packages |
| 00:33.26 | mwolff | Anyone or any bot asnwer a FAQ I have about installing the java runtime to Debian? Can I do it via apt-get or must I do the complicated instructions I found on google? |
| 00:33.26 | Guerin | amazing |
| 00:33.37 | nvz | bah, the putting settings in .gtkrc doesnt seem to work for my sawfish fonts.. I take it because its gtk 2.0? |
| 00:33.38 | Guerin | !tell mwolff about java |
| 00:33.41 | andax | caphuso, but I have an ATI card :)))))) |
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| 00:33.48 | SlackinJon | dawoua: not supported... you need an 8500 or above... use the radeon driver. |
| 00:33.51 | caphuso | andax: then stop trying to get nvidia stuff on your box! |
| 00:33.56 | andax | looks like i don't understand something important |
| 00:34.03 | Dabian` | eddyp: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/IP-Alias.gz might be a good start. ;) |
| 00:34.21 | Guerin | andax: stop :))))) using :)))) so :)))) many :))) fucking :)))) double chins :(((( |
| 00:34.27 | mwolff | !dpkg install java |
| 00:34.27 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? Download a Java runtime or dev-kit package in .bin (self-extracting shell script) format from java.sun.com. Install that as root with "cd /usr/local; sh /path/to/jwhatever.bin". Make /usr/local/bin/java (and javac if it's a dev-kit) symlinks to the corresponding programs in /usr/local/jwhatever/bin. Now ask me about <mozilla java>. See <java-package> or <j2se-package> or <mpkg-j2se>. |
| 00:34.32 | Dabian` | dpkg ipalias is at /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/IP-Alias.gz |
| 00:34.32 | dpkg | Dabian`: okay |
| 00:34.49 | a_monkey | how do i configure the GDM? |
| 00:34.59 | andax | a_monkey, gdmconfig |
| 00:35.01 | Dabian` | a_monkey: /etc/gdm/* |
| 00:35.03 | Guerin | a_monkey: configure it to do what/? |
| 00:35.10 | daemonfan | what are the odds that .lan will get assigned in the next 10 years? wondering if making private.lan as an internal domain name is askin for trouble...any opinions? |
| 00:35.15 | SlackinJon | a_monkey: you need to be root too.. |
| 00:35.22 | xam | !find libglx.a |
| 00:35.23 | dawoua | SlackinJon: you mean the Xfree radeon driver? |
| 00:35.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libglx.a' (1 shown): (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.a) in x11/xserver-xfree86. |
| 00:35.36 | SlackinJon | dawoua: yah... the 'radeon' driver. |
| 00:35.39 | Guerin | .lan won't ever be an internet thing |
| 00:35.40 | a_monkey | Guerin: well xfree86 tells me i should configure it "correctly" |
| 00:35.46 | Dabian` | daemonfan: If you want to be sure, register the domain. |
| 00:35.47 | Guerin | for what I believe to be obvious reasons |
| 00:35.48 | a_monkey | that something's wrong with the configuration |
| 00:35.53 | SlackinJon | dawoua: in contrast to 'fglrx'. :) |
| 00:35.57 | nvz | can anyone tell me what the trick is for gtk2.0 fonts? the gtk1 tricks doesnt work |
| 00:36.08 | Guerin | a_monkey: what happpens when you run gdm; from a root shell? |
| 00:36.13 | xam | Guerin: no, it is usually used for local DNS ... eg. I use it as my local tld |
| 00:36.19 | Dabian` | daemonfan: Get lan.net or whatever. |
| 00:36.28 | dawoua | SlackinJon: there isn't fglrx for radeon 7500? :( |
| 00:36.38 | Guerin | xam: yeah, that's what I mean... ICANN won't ever make an internet tld out of it |
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| 00:36.54 | cuse | Hi! I just updated my gcc packages (3.4) today. What is the common way to remove older gcc packages (e.g. 3.3)? If I just try e.g. 'apt-get remove gcc-3.3' will lead to to remove houndreds of cc dependent packages as well. |
| 00:37.16 | SlackinJon | dawoua: like ATi says... no. Even ATi tells you to use the radeon driver from XF86. |
| 00:37.24 | Guerin | nvz: I honestly don't know. I have mostly BVsans8, but some apps still diaplay in 7 or 9 |
| 00:37.32 | Dabian` | cuse: apt-get update ; apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 00:37.42 | xam | Guerin: I've seen .lan quite often in local installations ... I actually don't know whether this is a recommendation in a RFC, or whether it is just a popular tld |
| 00:37.56 | SlackinJon | dawoua: it's not like you will be doing any major gaming anyway... with that card at least. |
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| 00:38.04 | andax | okay, i change the card. this is unbelieavable. |
| 00:38.13 | Dabian` | andax: Heh. |
| 00:38.25 | dawoua | SlackinJon: ok |
| 00:38.29 | dawoua | :( |
| 00:38.35 | a_monkey | Guerin: i get an error saying that the screen device could not be found |
| 00:38.45 | andax | thanks for trying to help :) |
| 00:38.47 | nvz | Guerin: I dont know I guess I could swam through docs with grep some more, or strace sawfish.. I dont think it even looks at that file. I see no change what so ever when I alter it |
| 00:38.49 | xam | andax: now you know why linux users always curse ATI ... |
| 00:38.50 | SlackinJon | dawoua: could be worse... a good bunch of drivers from XFree don't have any hardware 3D support... let alone what the radeon driver provides. |
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| 00:38.59 | Guerin | a_monkey: try apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 00:39.21 | dawoua | SlackinJon: :) |
| 00:39.26 | dawoua | SlackinJon: ok |
| 00:39.52 | dawoua | SlackinJon: sure, its a good driver |
| 00:39.52 | cuse | Dabian`: I don't see any gcc related package doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 00:40.12 | Chris1978 | hello i have problems with the order of my alsa devices. to circumvent i want to blacklist the module snd_bt87x. i edited /etc/discover-modprobe with skip="snd_bt87x" and /etc/hotplug/blacklist. this used to work but after a kernel upgrade doesn't work anymore? any other places to blacklist modules. i'm on sid with discover and hotplug. removing discover is not an option! thanks! |
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| 00:41.11 | SlackinJon | just wondering... does APT have a package for fglrx ??? |
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| 00:41.33 | Guerin | Chris1978: which modules do you want to use in place of that one? |
| 00:42.03 | max | a configure script wants to have GLib >= 2.2.4 which package do I have to install to get this? |
| 00:42.06 | max | () |
| 00:42.09 | max | Sarge |
| 00:42.10 | root66 | SlackinJon: tried apt-cache / apt-file? |
| 00:42.14 | Chris1978 | guerin: basicly i just want to blacklist this one! |
| 00:42.38 | Chris1978 | guerin: i have additionally via82cxxx |
| 00:42.45 | Guerin | Chris1978: you want to blacklist it because you don't want it to step on the toes of another module. Which? |
| 00:42.48 | root66 | max: you have develop packages installed? |
| 00:42.53 | SlackinJon | root66: I was just wondering... don't have a need for it now. |
| 00:43.00 | Guerin | via82cxxx is not an audio module |
| 00:43.14 | ddd | ахуеть |
| 00:43.21 | Guerin | ddd: english |
| 00:43.24 | Chris1978 | Guerin: it just is the first alsa device. ok sorry i will have another look! |
| 00:43.27 | max | which one? |
| 00:43.35 | SlackinJon | ddd: can't even see what you just said. |
| 00:43.47 | ddd | gg |
| 00:43.47 | max | basic compilers like g++ are installed |
| 00:43.47 | Guerin | Chris1978: also, is there any reason you don't want to use alsa? |
| 00:43.48 | Chris1978 | Guerin: snd_via82xx |
| 00:43.50 | root66 | max: apt-get install build-essential |
| 00:43.51 | ddd | oki doki |
| 00:44.00 | Guerin | Chris1978: ok. |
| 00:44.06 | Chris1978 | Guerin: i want to use alsa |
| 00:44.22 | Guerin | Chris1978: then you don't want to blacklist that snd- module |
| 00:44.24 | Chris1978 | Guerin: problem is snd_bt87x is the first device |
| 00:44.30 | SlackinJon | ddd: maybe you would be better off on a server that speaks your native toung? |
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| 00:44.44 | max | yes, bnuild-essential is installed |
| 00:44.46 | Guerin | Chris1978: ah, you have two cards |
| 00:45.02 | Chris1978 | Guerin: if you can tell me how to change the order to make of the devices in another way i'm fine as well ;) |
| 00:45.35 | Guerin | ok, echo snd-via82xx >> /etc/modules |
| 00:45.46 | Chris1978 | Guerin: i just wonder why the blacklisting doesn't work anymore |
| 00:45.56 | Guerin | SlackinJon: no need to jump the gun |
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| 00:46.04 | orangey | hey guys.. |
| 00:46.12 | Guerin | Chris1978: well, blacklisting modules is a bit of a heh, black art. |
| 00:46.42 | root66 | .oO (black is beatiful) |
| 00:46.43 | SlackinJon | Guerin: why not? not like it's gonna hurt. |
| 00:46.44 | Chris1978 | Guerin: when putting it into modules, will this one always be loaded first? |
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| 00:47.25 | Guerin | Chris1978: should do. |
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| 00:48.03 | Guerin | SlackinJon: once someone demonstrates an inability or an unwillingness to use english, fine. But there's no point in scaring them off. |
| 00:48.17 | max | a configure script wants to have GLib >= 2.2.3 which package do I have to install to get this? |
| 00:48.27 | Chris1978 | Guerin: ok i'll be right back ;) |
| 00:48.44 | Guerin | !find glib |
| 00:48.46 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'glib' (15 shown; 25 total): bglibs-dev ;; bglibs-doc ;; dbus-glib-1 ;; dbus-glib-1-dev ;; devhelp-book-glibc ;; glibc-doc ;; libarts1-mpeglib ;; libg++2.8.1.3-glibc2.2 ;; libglib-cil ;; libglib-perl ;; libglib1.2 ;; libglib1.2-dbg ;; libglib1.2-dev ;; libglib1.2-doc ;; libglib2-ruby. |
| 00:48.56 | SlackinJon | Guerin: guess you have a point. . . |
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| 00:49.30 | Guerin | that was a stupid !find |
| 00:49.30 | max | yes, but which ones do I need, I guess I don't need all |
| 00:49.30 | kobalt | what kind of bot is dpkg |
| 00:49.40 | Guerin | !what are you |
| 00:49.40 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:49.44 | SlackinJon | Hey, so just how do you pronounce "Debian"? |
| 00:49.53 | bob2 | deb-ian |
| 00:49.57 | Guerin | deb-ee-an |
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| 00:50.18 | kobalt | blootbot? |
| 00:50.22 | Xenguy | SlackinJon: DEBra-IAN |
| 00:50.25 | beth | if anybody says "deeebian", you get to smack them |
| 00:50.31 | beth | I give you permission. |
| 00:50.31 | Guerin | damn straight |
| 00:50.32 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 00:50.32 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 00:50.43 | dawoua | !dpkg help me |
| 00:50.44 | SlackinJon | hehe... I was always calling it... "de-bian" |
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| 00:51.02 | fusion | is kB/s actual transfer rate? |
| 00:51.19 | Guerin | fusion: no, it's a made-up number to give you a false sense of happiness. |
| 00:51.22 | fusion | or is it the connection speed? |
| 00:51.42 | SlackinJon | fusion: not really either. |
| 00:51.43 | fusion | odd.. |
| 00:51.55 | fusion | what does it mean though? |
| 00:52.06 | jbr | fusion: http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-basic_defs.en.html#s-pronunciation |
| 00:52.12 | Guerin | max: apt-cache search libglib; also look into auto-apt |
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| 00:52.34 | dawoua | max : apt-file too |
| 00:52.39 | fusion | jbr, ? |
| 00:52.39 | Guerin | fusion: it measures how much data is moving over that tcp connection |
| 00:52.41 | SlackinJon | fusion: kB/s maybe the speed you are getting a file over the net... but it's not the exact amount transfering... |
| 00:52.47 | jbr | fusion: it's a FAQ |
| 00:52.51 | fusion | oh |
| 00:52.57 | Guerin | jbr: wrong person... you want to tell SlackinJon |
| 00:53.04 | fusion | jbr, yeah but the anchor was on something irrelevant |
| 00:53.09 | Chris1978 | Guerin: Thanks you were right! Thought /etc/modules didn't have any significance when discover is working |
| 00:53.11 | jbr | Guerin: "what does it mean though" |
| 00:53.28 | Guerin | jbr: do you know what he was referring to? |
| 00:53.38 | Guerin | jbr: because it sure doesn't seem that way... |
| 00:53.43 | SlackinJon | fusion: there is an overhead and other networking goodness to take into consideration... which you may or may not see. |
| 00:53.47 | max | dawoua, what do you mean? |
| 00:53.53 | fusion | oh okay |
| 00:54.14 | SlackinJon | jbr thx for the FAQ |
| 00:54.17 | jbr | Guerin: oh well, time I was asleep anyway |
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| 00:54.31 | fusion | brb |
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| 00:55.30 | orangey | Do any KMail users here know how to make it so dimap only checks certain 'folders' instead of all of them in its interval check? |
| 00:55.51 | dawoua | max: mean tools that can help you to find your file |
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| 00:56.27 | dawoua | s/can / may :) |
| 00:56.33 | Guerin | orangey: why don't you ask some kmail users? They tend to live in #kde |
| 00:56.43 | orangey | guerin: no one lives in #kde |
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| 00:56.55 | doublehp | how can I know the size in cm of a given picture ( without printing it ) ? |
| 00:56.58 | orangey | guerin: I've been for hours. |
| 00:56.58 | max | sorry, I don't understand |
| 00:57.13 | max | I just need to find glib2.2.3 or above package, anybody? |
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| 00:57.36 | Guerin | max: did you fucking do apt-cache search libglib, like I told you? |
| 00:57.58 | Guerin | max: if you'd just installed auto-apt you'd already have your problem fixed... |
| 00:58.02 | Xenguy | doublehp: maybe you could find that out with gimp (using the measuring tool) ? |
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| 00:58.35 | SlackinJon | Guerin: relax... let him find out the hard way. |
| 00:58.48 | Xenguy | doublehp: (there's probably an easier way, but ...) |
| 00:59.03 | Guerin | doublehp: imagemagick might have a tool to do that |
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| 00:59.32 | mwolff | whoa, so if I am understanding this, there is now way to just apt-get Sun's java re? You just have to actually download the .bin file? That seems so....primitive.... |
| 00:59.51 | directhex | mwolff, complain to sun, they're the ones with the restrictive license |
| 00:59.56 | Guerin | mwolff: complain to sun. Their license doesn't allow debian to ddistribute it. |
| 01:00.09 | directhex | !win Guerin |
| 01:00.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:00.25 | SlackinJon | mwolff: can you not use blackdown java? |
| 01:00.30 | max | apt-cache just tells me 1.2 and 2.0 packages |
| 01:00.40 | Guerin | mwolff: blackkdown made some java .debs, since they're a sun licensee, but they're a bit outdated, and shunned by anyone who knows about java, apparently. |
| 01:00.48 | doublehp | Guerin: I think so ... but there is no manpage, and I dont know the list of tools available ... |
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| 01:01.24 | Guerin | doublehp: dpkg -L imagemagick |grep bin |
| 01:01.29 | wasabi_ | Is there a way to set a kernel write cache on my hd's block device? Other than what is offered by the actual hardware. |
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| 01:01.37 | wasabi_ | I recognize that it's unsafe and stuff, but I don't care. ;) |
| 01:01.45 | Guerin | max: have you installed 2.0? it might mean 2.x... |
| 01:01.47 | max | i insatlled libglibmm-2.4-1 but this did not work |
| 01:01.52 | wasabi_ | basically i dont want it to flush except very rarely |
| 01:01.58 | dbron | Hi all, Does anyone know of a chm 2 text conversion utility? There seems to be a java app but I am looking for a utility similar pdf2txt... |
| 01:02.18 | Guerin | max: if you're building software, you need the -dev libs |
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| 01:02.49 | SlackinJon | wasabi_: your kernel will cache everything for you... including files transfered to and from your hard disk. |
| 01:02.51 | Guerin | !chm |
| 01:02.52 | dpkg | chm is probably to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHelp Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/ or use xchm |
| 01:03.07 | dbron | Guerin: thank you |
| 01:03.15 | Guerin | !chm =~ s/Help/Hell/ |
| 01:03.15 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 01:03.17 | wasabi_ | SlackinJon, almost, except not. If a program issues a fsync, it waits until it is flushed. |
| 01:03.21 | wasabi_ | SlackinJon, I'd like to disable that. |
| 01:04.04 | SlackinJon | wasabi_: I see... well just don't use programs that use fsync.... hehe. |
| 01:04.15 | wasabi_ | heh. |
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| 01:04.37 | wasabi_ | fsync is basically a way for ap rogram to say "this is a safe spot to save". I just want it to be ignored. |
| 01:05.24 | SlackinJon | wasabi_: or just run off a ram disk, so even if it does not cache what you want, it's just as fast. Mind you, you will need a very small distro, unless you have a shit load of ram. |
| 01:05.32 | max | Guerin, thanks a lot, I had to insatll with -dev |
| 01:05.34 | wasabi_ | yeah, i could do that, it's just a pain to set it up |
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| 01:05.43 | wasabi_ | ie move everything to it, and then back |
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| 01:06.44 | SlackinJon | wasabi_: wish I knew how it can be done, but I've never had such a need -- the expanded cache that is. |
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| 01:08.10 | doub | wasabi_: remove fsync calls in the program then |
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| 01:08.29 | wasabi_ | well i was hoping for an easier way. ;) |
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| 01:09.05 | ghc | Anyone know of some tools for automating email handling, that in particular can: a) collect information on regular emails you get a do stats on them, to save a human looking at lots of bounce messages b) tell you when an expected email message doesn't arrive (such as notification a backup succeeded) c) tell you when an email comes in that is different in some respect and needs attention (such as notification a backup borked)? |
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| 01:09.49 | Guerin | ghc: I use pflogsumm for my postfix box |
| 01:09.54 | KlaasVaag | swoon, you heard the man :) |
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| 01:10.24 | KlaasVaag | you shouldnt use IRC as root.. |
| 01:10.27 | ghc | guerin: we are running postfix, I'll look at it. |
| 01:10.34 | doub | wasabi_: with the help of some find command, and a little bit of perl magic, it would be possible, i bet. not that it's as easy as a click on a "disable fsync" button, though |
| 01:10.52 | kobalt | is there an apt-get for mysql or how can i install it? |
| 01:10.56 | wasabi_ | i think i'd be better writing an if () around the fsync sys call in the kernel. |
| 01:10.57 | caphuso | kobalt: mysql-server |
| 01:11.01 | wasabi_ | which i may actually do |
| 01:11.41 | caphuso | wasabi_: what's the point of that? |
| 01:11.53 | wasabi_ | caphuso, to turn it off temporarily. :) |
| 01:11.56 | SlackinJon | wasabi_: just remember to submit your patch and offer it on the net. |
| 01:11.59 | a_monkey | what is a File server or a SQL server? |
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| 01:12.24 | doub | caphuso: so you're wondering too ? :) |
| 01:12.30 | SlackinJon | wasabi_: someone else just might get a use for such a mod. |
| 01:12.31 | kobalt | ok i did apt-get install mysql-server what now to set a pass and stuff? |
| 01:12.33 | caphuso | wasabi_: so you want to disable fsync because you want to disable fsync? |
| 01:12.43 | caphuso | wasabi_: no other reason? boy, that's stupid... |
| 01:12.50 | wasabi_ | caphuso, i notice a large performance problem in a number of other things as they wait for fsync |
| 01:13.07 | caphuso | wasabi_: like? |
| 01:13.09 | wasabi_ | i have UPS', i don't expect my system to crash, and I want these things to operate at ram speed. |
| 01:13.14 | wasabi_ | apt-get. compiling. |
| 01:13.22 | caphuso | oh, great |
| 01:13.44 | wasabi_ | i love how questions turn into deflections on the question itself. ;) |
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| 01:13.50 | SlackinJon | wasabi_: then get a rocketDrive... |
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| 01:14.13 | caphuso | wasabi_: and how do you know that fsync is the culprit? |
| 01:14.20 | MustangMatt | Has anyone ever setup webdav under apache2? I can't get it the config to recognize my dav commands. I think I may be missing the module but I can't figure out which debian package does it. |
| 01:14.20 | wasabi_ | caphuso, strace |
| 01:14.24 | wasabi_ | and observation |
| 01:14.56 | kobalt | ok i did apt-get install mysql-server what now to set a pass and add databases/users? |
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| 01:15.13 | ghc | guerin: not quite what I'm after. I'm going to have to think a little more about what I need. |
| 01:15.20 | caphuso | kobalt: start with /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:15.35 | MustangMatt | Ah, I think I just need to symlink the dav mods to mods-enabled. |
| 01:15.37 | MustangMatt | Doh! |
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| 01:16.08 | wasabi_ | caphuso, take apt-get right now. It's doing an upgrade in a chroot from woody to sid. That's quite a number of tar's being extracted. My CPU is sitting at about 25%, pretty idle. It's punctuated by long peices of blocking, and strace shows it to be fsync |
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