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| 00:00.31 | Lego | How good is gentoo |
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| 00:00.38 | thingfish | tsk |
| 00:00.40 | dabreegster | ok, thanks guys; bye |
| 00:00.41 | cafuego | Lego: <-> that good |
| 00:00.41 | abrotman | Lego: wrong channel |
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| 00:00.53 | blacksmile | can't anyone help me? when trying to access gnome-volume-control i get the following error: "No volume control elements and/or devices found." |
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| 00:01.05 | abrotman | blacksmile: it's in the BTS |
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| 00:01.46 | abrotman | blacksmile: and go ask #gnome or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:01.56 | abrotman | blacksmile: but i know it's in the BTS |
| 00:02.07 | abrotman | ok .. so i help him .. and no response :) |
| 00:02.10 | blacksmile | abrotman BTS? |
| 00:02.13 | abrotman | !BTS |
| 00:02.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:02.20 | abrotman | blacksmile: you're using sarge aren't you? |
| 00:02.31 | blacksmile | i think so. |
| 00:02.35 | harfooz | hi all. I have a question related to nvidia-glx, and it will take a good bit of background information first. I've run apt-get -t unstable upgrade and apt-get -t unstable dist-upgrade. At some point it broke my nvidia driver. |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | you think so? |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:03.06 | harfooz | I was eventually able to get an earlier nvidia driver installed fromnvidia's site. |
| 00:03.38 | blacksmile | abrotman: i downloaded the netinstall cd for sarge and installed from it. so i think i am running sarge :) |
| 00:03.39 | harfooz | However nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev are among those packages showing up as available for upgrade. |
| 00:03.43 | abrotman | Lego: do you have a debian question? |
| 00:03.44 | dan2 | abrotman: mmm pasta was tasty |
| 00:03.49 | abrotman | dan2: where from? |
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| 00:03.55 | dan2 | abrotman: san marco |
| 00:04.02 | thingfish | ooh pasta, what kind of sauce? |
| 00:04.04 | harfooz | Since I am using the nvidia site driver, can I safely remove those two packages? |
| 00:04.04 | abrotman | dan2: i like east side mario ... |
| 00:04.12 | abrotman | dan2: and i went to the drafting room a few weeks ago |
| 00:04.13 | dan2 | abrotman: he makes fresh pasta there daily, and sells it to the restaurant |
| 00:04.17 | dan2 | abrotman: s |
| 00:04.21 | thingfish | ooh fresh pasta is the best |
| 00:04.25 | MepisBelle | thingfish: Doesn't matter - it's pasta! :-)) |
| 00:04.34 | thingfish | lol hi MepisBelle! |
| 00:04.37 | dan2 | abrotman: no,no, san marco is not a restaurant, but he makes fresh pasta there daily |
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| 00:04.41 | thingfish | I know, I'm addicted to pasta. |
| 00:04.46 | thingfish | my dad's italian |
| 00:04.46 | abrotman | dan2: ah ok |
| 00:04.49 | punkrockguy318 | how do i change the default xterm font? |
| 00:04.58 | dan2 | thingfish: nothing like soft fresh pasta |
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| 00:05.02 | blacksmile | abrotman, so its a bug and i have no chance to get sound running atm? |
| 00:05.03 | thingfish | oh gosh yes |
| 00:05.14 | thingfish | YES |
| 00:05.22 | thingfish | vietnamese food is the BEST |
| 00:05.32 | dan2 | thingfish: I thought you thought pasta was the best |
| 00:05.32 | MepisBelle | Yup - I agree. |
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| 00:05.35 | thingfish | absolutely the healthiest food on the planet |
| 00:05.40 | toresbe | pizzas rock. |
| 00:05.42 | sean_micken | is there a nifty way to remove leaf packages in debian? |
| 00:05.48 | abrotman | sean_micken: say what? |
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| 00:05.55 | dan2 | thingfish: actually pepperoni & cheese stromboli is the best |
| 00:05.56 | toresbe | All I have downstairs is Weetabix - NOT! ^_^ |
| 00:05.56 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 00:05.56 | dpkg | somebody said deborphan was a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 00:06.06 | MepisBelle | pizza - the 'original' shit on a shingle. |
| 00:06.07 | MepisBelle | lol |
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| 00:06.25 | sean_micken | abrotman, k |
| 00:06.29 | abrotman | dan2: i disagree .. Ham Calzone rules |
| 00:06.33 | dan2 | MepisBelle: 85% of american homes eat pizza on friday night |
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| 00:06.45 | thingfish | no, homemade pizza with real mozzarella and fresh basil...mmm good. |
| 00:06.47 | jonesy | i'm a fan of the good old hamburger. |
| 00:06.49 | MepisBelle | dan2: Mine too - I love it. rofl |
| 00:06.55 | stoned | dan2, where are you getting your statistics from? |
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| 00:07.03 | dan2 | stoned: the Food Network |
| 00:07.03 | punkrockguy318 | how do i change the default xterm font? |
| 00:07.06 | abrotman | this comes from a guy named stoned :) |
| 00:07.12 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: ask again |
| 00:07.17 | stoned | hey |
| 00:07.17 | thingfish | lol |
| 00:07.22 | stoned | I resent that! |
| 00:07.29 | MepisBelle | dan2: It wasn't an insult in my case - I love sit on a shingle. |
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| 00:07.43 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, i went away and came back.. so i asked again |
| 00:07.46 | dan2 | MepisBelle: so go sit on your roof! |
| 00:07.52 | felis | dan2: and 78% of all statistics are invented as they are presented ;) |
| 00:07.52 | MepisBelle | dan2: lol |
| 00:07.54 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: what font do you want? |
| 00:07.57 | thingfish | you know, if I had the money/time/etc., I'd go to cooking school. |
| 00:07.59 | stoned | felis, word |
| 00:08.01 | cwood | punkrockguy318: 'man xterm' gives some hints. |
| 00:08.03 | dan2 | felis: thats what makes them statistics |
| 00:08.07 | dan2 | felis: false validity |
| 00:08.15 | felis | dan2: the element of chance |
| 00:08.27 | stoned | dan2, oxymoron you moron, there is no such thing |
| 00:08.27 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:08.29 | punkrockguy318 | cwood, cmon man, man xterm has to be the most confusing man page in history next to man sudo |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: honestly .. i wouldn't mess with xterm .. i'd pikc like kterm or gnome-terminal to mess with |
| 00:08.33 | MepisBelle | 32% of all people say 78% of all statistics are invented as they are presented. |
| 00:08.34 | dan2 | felis: btw, so I take it your statistic on statitistics is probably heavily biased |
| 00:08.38 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: then you can ask #xfree86 |
| 00:08.43 | thingfish | lol MepisBelle |
| 00:08.58 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, but debian uses a special x-terminal-emulator script |
| 00:08.59 | felis | dan2: like 78% of all statistics, it was invented as it was presented, yes :p |
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| 00:09.13 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: uhm ... say what? |
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| 00:09.33 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, all the default debian menus refer to x-terminal-emulator |
| 00:09.35 | samuel | hello all |
| 00:09.41 | ttl- | hi |
| 00:09.43 | cat | hi samuel |
| 00:09.46 | stoned | no |
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| 00:10.05 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: so what? |
| 00:10.15 | samuel | anyone know how to sync a palm? i got gnome-pilot-conduits but they seem to be abit old? |
| 00:10.20 | stoned | immagine 700 people responding to hello all... nah |
| 00:10.21 | dan2 | abrotman: half my speech is on suv.org a pro a suv site |
| 00:10.22 | cwood | punkrockguy318: Learning about X and how it works is quite confusing at first, but well worth the investment. |
| 00:10.23 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: you obvoiusly don't know how the alternatives system works |
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| 00:10.34 | abrotman | dan2: you're pro SUV? |
| 00:10.38 | MepisBelle | samuel: Tie a rock to it before throwing it in the lake |
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| 00:10.50 | dan2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.56 | dan2 | abrotman: no, but their site is great |
| 00:10.57 | dan2 | :) |
| 00:10.58 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, no I don't.. where can I find a resource on it? |
| 00:11.00 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:11.05 | abrotman | !alternatives |
| 00:11.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 00:11.15 | dan2 | abrotman: that quote is right on their site |
| 00:11.20 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: anywys .. man xterm is what you want |
| 00:11.29 | abrotman | dan2: but who dies? |
| 00:11.33 | dan2 | abrotman: and then ironically |
| 00:11.35 | dan2 | " * 80 percent of car and SUV owners strongly that automakers should make safety changes to SUVs that would make the roads safer for car occupants |
| 00:11.35 | dan2 | " |
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| 00:11.40 | samuel | MepisBelle, i take it you are not a fan of the palm? |
| 00:11.50 | dan2 | abrotman: how about states make safer drivers? |
| 00:11.51 | dan2 | :) |
| 00:11.57 | FieldySnuts | how about take it to #politics? |
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| 00:12.14 | MepisBelle | samuel: They're ok - just not as useful to me as to some I guess. :-) |
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| 00:12.19 | Lego | abrotman: No, Im not after any debian help thanks :) |
| 00:12.35 | abrotman | Lego: so you're just here to cause problems? |
| 00:12.36 | gnufan | Is there any point in reporting dependency bugs? Surely the machines must know if a depedency is broken when a product is moved into testing? |
| 00:12.38 | dan2 | abrotman: I have another statistic, 89% of SUV owners are bad drivers |
| 00:12.38 | dan2 | :) |
| 00:12.43 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:12.45 | abrotman | i'd say 100% |
| 00:12.50 | thingfish | I'm here because debian is swell. |
| 00:13.02 | mathieu | SUV drivers are compensati |
| 00:13.07 | mathieu | SUV drivers are compensating with a bigger car |
| 00:13.14 | stoned | am I the only one who thinks this is a retarded discussion? |
| 00:13.15 | Lego | abrotman: sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not :) |
| 00:13.25 | blacksmile | abrotman: so is my gnome-volume-control problem a bug, or is there a way to fix it? |
| 00:13.26 | dan2 | stoned: go back to your greens |
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| 00:13.38 | stoned | dan2, stfu, kthx |
| 00:13.40 | abrotman | blacksmile: check the BTS .. i don't know .. i last saw it about 3 weeks ago |
| 00:13.41 | thingfish | greens? I likes me some greens. |
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| 00:13.43 | gnufan | stoned: SUVs or dependency issues? |
| 00:13.50 | stoned | suv |
| 00:13.52 | abrotman | !aolify stoned |
| 00:13.52 | stoned | lol |
| 00:13.53 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:13.56 | _pragma | I'd rather have a car that is closer to the earth with tight handling than a bulky unweildly SUV |
| 00:14.07 | stoned | abrotman, your gonna get yours :) |
| 00:14.16 | wnorrix | where can i get the ruby 1.8.1 debs |
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| 00:14.22 | jonesy | !learn lego |
| 00:14.22 | abrotman | stoned: you're |
| 00:14.22 | wnorrix | !ruby |
| 00:14.23 | dpkg | i heard ruby is a pure object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk. Learn about it at http://www.ruby-lang.org . a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python, or at http://www.rubycentral.com |
| 00:14.25 | wnorrix | !ruby1.8 |
| 00:14.27 | stoned | yeh yeh |
| 00:14.27 | thingfish | secret to greens is, you gotta have lots of bacon in there. |
| 00:14.46 | abrotman | wnorrix: what is wrong with your Ruby? |
| 00:15.00 | _pragma | thingfish, ew, I don't like to smoke bacon in my greens. |
| 00:15.08 | abrotman | who knows their .. New Age music? |
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| 00:15.13 | leikh | umask deals with nnn. mask deals with nnnn. i understand umasks, cause it corresponds to the chmod nnn. but i don't understand mask. why four digits instead of three? |
| 00:15.14 | wnorrix | well i download the latest to find that the maint did not patch dic.c |
| 00:15.16 | dan2 | abrotman: do you like ruby or something? |
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| 00:15.32 | wnorrix | aaronluke: well i download the latest to find that the maint did not patch dic.c this is cause issues with ruby gems and some other software |
| 00:15.34 | abrotman | dan2: it's an interesting idea .. but i don't know it well enough to truly comment |
| 00:15.38 | dan2 | abrotman: until ruby makes its way onto cpan, I won't use it |
| 00:15.45 | abrotman | wnorrix: apt-get install ruby |
| 00:15.46 | _pragma | ruby gems, snicker. |
| 00:15.48 | thingfish | _pragma: oh heh I think I get it now |
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| 00:16.10 | dan2 | abrotman: ruby is a nice language, but... the only reason perl is such a sucess is cpan |
| 00:16.17 | dan2 | abrotman: python is working on it |
| 00:16.21 | thingfish | oh that's not nice, wnorrix |
| 00:16.43 | punkrockguy318 | How do i fix my terminal keymap? end/home/del dont work |
| 00:16.46 | _pragma | dan2, uh, perl has some excellent support for parsing text |
| 00:16.47 | _pragma | kthx. |
| 00:16.50 | garrett_ | hi. gphoto problem: with 2.6.9 my camera is detected no problem but with 2.4.27 it doesn't seem to want to work...any clues why? I'm on debian sid here. |
| 00:16.52 | wnorrix | abrotman: damn hehe i thought ruby was 1.6 and ruby1.8 was ruby1.8.2+1.8.3pre3 |
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| 00:17.07 | abrotman | !info ruby sarge |
| 00:17.09 | gnufan | huggles? |
| 00:17.12 | dpkg | ruby: (An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.8.1-8 (sarge), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
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| 00:17.39 | abrotman | wnorrix: so apt-get install ruby |
| 00:17.46 | sun_ | i have a mail file on a server which i can only ssh to, no imap etc. is there any way to get fetchmail or even just biff to work, id rather not ssh over every few minutes just to check if i got mail? |
| 00:17.59 | _pragma | perl is actually engineered towards a specific task and it's done so well that it's very useful for myriad of other tasks |
| 00:18.13 | abrotman | sun_: you could write a script to SCP it down :) |
| 00:18.14 | _pragma | So stop knocking it, silly patheticlings. |
| 00:18.22 | dan2 | _pragma: anything can parse text |
| 00:18.22 | cafuego | leikh: special - user - group - other |
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| 00:18.35 | _pragma | dan2, shit, qbasic could parse text too, what's your bloody point? |
| 00:18.37 | pem3v78 | hi |
| 00:18.40 | frangor | hi |
| 00:18.42 | jonesy | sun_, set up an ssh tunnel with certificates and then use pop or imap through the tunnel (assuming pop or imap is running locally) |
| 00:18.46 | mtnman | sun_: why not use a .forward file? |
| 00:19.12 | pem3v78 | is there a way to setup iptables to hide totally a port (send answer like there's no service) ? |
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| 00:19.48 | _pragma | pem3v78, if there were no service there would be no answer |
| 00:19.50 | sun_ | jonesy, theres no imapd etc on the other side... |
| 00:19.53 | gnufan | pem3v78: Yes you can make it look like there is noone using the IP at all if you like... |
| 00:20.06 | pem3v78 | there is a service there |
| 00:20.11 | wnorrix | abrotman: hmm i apt-get install ruby and it installed ruby1.7 |
| 00:20.12 | wnorrix | abrotman: hmm i apt-get install ruby and it installed ruby1.8 |
| 00:20.17 | sun_ | mtnman, my client machine is a laptop with dhcp |
| 00:20.20 | mtnman | sun_: i would set up a .forward file to your other email account. |
| 00:20.21 | abrotman | !info ruby woody |
| 00:20.28 | _pragma | pem3v78, then you would have to filter by address |
| 00:20.32 | pem3v78 | but i want to hide it from eth1 traffic |
| 00:20.35 | abrotman | wnorrix: then what are you complaining about what? |
| 00:20.35 | dpkg | ruby: (An interpreter of object-oriented scripting language Ruby), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.6.7-3woody3 (woody), Packaged size: 138 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 00:20.42 | abrotman | wnorrix: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:20.45 | pem3v78 | what rule ? |
| 00:20.52 | pem3v78 | drop doesn't work |
| 00:20.54 | wnorrix | abrotman: unstable |
| 00:21.03 | abrotman | wnorrix: i don't see the problem |
| 00:21.04 | pem3v78 | it is still seen |
| 00:21.12 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:21.17 | abrotman | is it filtered or closed |
| 00:21.19 | abrotman | wait .. fuck that |
| 00:21.20 | wnorrix | abrotman: do you use gems? |
| 00:21.23 | abrotman | pem3v78: go to #iptables |
| 00:21.26 | sun_ | abrotman, somehow when i try to scp the mailfile, i get that its a directory and it doesnt get scp'd |
| 00:21.32 | abrotman | wnorrix: i don't use ruby |
| 00:21.35 | pem3v78 | i've been there |
| 00:21.41 | pem3v78 | nobody knows |
| 00:21.41 | abrotman | pem3v78: so why are you here? |
| 00:21.44 | mlh407 | Does FXO connect to the PSTN |
| 00:21.53 | abrotman | oh .. then fucking wait for them .. we're not iptables experts |
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| 00:22.05 | abrotman | sun_: tar? |
| 00:22.10 | pem3v78 | you're better ;) |
| 00:22.11 | mtnman | sun_: is there something to prevent you from forwarding your mail to another account? |
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| 00:22.13 | abrotman | sun_: why can't you imapS or anyhting? |
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| 00:22.23 | leikh | cafuego: so it's ok to just write the three last digits for both umask and mask? |
| 00:22.24 | xirtameht | where are the x keymaps stored under debian? |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 00:22.32 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 00:22.34 | sun_ | abrotman, the local admins dont run any of that stuff, what do you mean by tar? |
| 00:22.37 | Davidcc6_ | donde puede uno mirar las ip de de la ips |
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| 00:22.47 | abrotman | sun_: so they don't run any way to get anything? |
| 00:22.50 | xirtameht | thanks |
| 00:22.53 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 00:22.53 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:23.00 | sun_ | mtnman, the only other ac i have is yahoo, and i dont really think thats a big imrpovement |
| 00:23.05 | pem3v78 | i need to generate an answer like the kernel generates when there's no daemon |
| 00:23.16 | abrotman | so turn the daemon off |
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| 00:23.28 | pem3v78 | no |
| 00:23.39 | pem3v78 | i have to interfaces |
| 00:23.42 | mtnman | sun_: don't you at least have a pop account from your isp? |
| 00:23.48 | pem3v78 | i want to filter traffic on one of it |
| 00:23.58 | pem3v78 | on one interface |
| 00:23.59 | abrotman | ok .. so what's the problem .. it's filtered |
| 00:24.03 | gnufan | pem3v78: if all else fails just redirect it to another port. |
| 00:24.18 | jonesy | pem3v78, make the daemon only listen to one address |
| 00:24.45 | pem3v78 | there is no way to make it bind to specific interface |
| 00:24.58 | pem3v78 | redirect should be ok thou |
| 00:25.01 | abrotman | crappy daemon |
| 00:25.08 | abrotman | !tell mtnman about away |
| 00:25.23 | Davidcc6_ | alguien sabe como |
| 00:25.25 | gnufan | pem3v78: what daemon? |
| 00:25.38 | pem3v78 | one of oracle's |
| 00:25.46 | Davidcc6_ | donde es que esta el archivo donde muestra la ip de la dns??????? |
| 00:25.51 | abrotman | oracle sucks .. run like hell |
| 00:25.54 | resiak | !es |
| 00:25.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:26.00 | FieldySnuts | @fuck Oracle |
| 00:26.04 | guestish | FieldySnuts: .. |
| 00:26.05 | FieldySnuts | oh come on ravenbird |
| 00:26.11 | abrotman | Davidcc6_: no habla espanol aqui .. vaya a #debian-es |
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| 00:26.27 | abrotman | ravenbird: test |
| 00:26.27 | ravenbird | abrotman: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 00:26.30 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:26.36 | gnufan | however I bet Oracle daemons can be configured by rewriting some hideously overcomplex config file to listen on one interface only.... |
| 00:26.37 | thingfish | debian is just too good |
| 00:26.40 | guestish | @pity FieldySnuts |
| 00:26.41 | ravenbird | I pity da fool FieldySnuts! |
| 00:26.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: test |
| 00:26.54 | FieldySnuts | ah, favoritism games again. |
| 00:26.55 | thingfish | this is the best linux I've ever tasted. |
| 00:26.57 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: do they all ignore you? |
| 00:27.00 | guestish | FieldySnuts: lol, ignored you |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | ~test |
| 00:27.05 | apt | Failed |
| 00:27.08 | FieldySnuts | don't know, but it's pretty cute i'm singled out |
| 00:27.17 | guestish | !fieldysnuts |
| 00:27.18 | dpkg | well, fieldysnuts is a New York Times news material fibber, or a Clinton administration political hack, or a shaven badger working undercover for the FDA, or a Raytheon IRBM/MIRV altimeter and vector guidance engineer |
| 00:27.22 | FieldySnuts | what the |
| 00:27.26 | guestish | LOL |
| 00:27.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:27.31 | FieldySnuts | who the hell added that? |
| 00:27.35 | abrotman | that's really funny .. sorry .. it is |
| 00:27.40 | abrotman | !factinfo FieldySnuts |
| 00:27.40 | dpkg | fieldysnuts -- last modified at Sun Apr 4 02:24:49 2004 by odl!odl@pool-68-237-215-216.ny325.east.verizon.net; it has been requested 12 times, last by guestish, 22s ago. |
| 00:27.43 | FieldySnuts | i know it is hehe |
| 00:27.46 | guestish | @FieldySnuts |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | !seen odl |
| 00:27.57 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't seen 'odl' |
| 00:28.01 | guestish | heh |
| 00:28.05 | idnar | interesting |
| 00:28.20 | FieldySnuts | who the hell was that, I mean i did work at Raytheon at one point |
| 00:28.22 | FieldySnuts | that worries me |
| 00:28.36 | guestish | ~FieldySnuts |
| 00:28.37 | apt | from memory, fieldysnuts is someone with very funny nick; FieldySnuts probably means someone ,err with nuts like fields ? |
| 00:28.42 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 00:28.45 | guestish | na. not as funny |
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| 00:28.49 | guestish | ~factinfo fieldysnuts |
| 00:28.50 | apt | fieldysnuts -- created by iv4n <~vanja@168.210.56.207> at Wed Mar 17 20:16:48 2004 (257 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by guestish, 13s ago. |
| 00:28.52 | guestish | heh |
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| 00:29.10 | FieldySnuts | the clinton administration part cracks me up though |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | @fieldysnuts |
| 00:29.21 | abrotman | 6q6 |
| 00:29.23 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | !punish homekeys |
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| 00:31.17 | idnar | !laugh at qwerty users |
| 00:31.18 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! qwerty users just cracks me up! |
| 00:31.53 | neiljp | I'm thinking of getting a new system with an ati 9550 card; I'm not sure that sarge/xf4.3 supports that, has anyone managed this? (mainly interested in 2d for now :) |
| 00:32.34 | abrotman | yay .. Roswell on CNN |
| 00:32.48 | FieldySnuts | too bad it's cnn, so much for that |
| 00:33.09 | abrotman | it's anderson cooper though |
| 00:33.25 | idnar | neiljp: I'm using sid/xf4.3 with a 9700, which is pretty similar |
| 00:33.28 | idnar | !ati drivers |
| 00:33.29 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
| 00:33.50 | abrotman | and there are now debs there |
| 00:34.06 | neiljp | oooh |
| 00:34.10 | idnar | !ati drivers =~ s#http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina#http://stanchina.net/~flavio# |
| 00:34.10 | dpkg | idnar: OK |
| 00:34.16 | idnar | !ati drivers |
| 00:34.17 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon or the Mobility U1. Ask me about 'mobility u1'. |
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| 00:35.15 | idnar | neiljp: anyway, get those when the time comes |
| 00:35.20 | neiljp | emphasis on custom kernel important? cf the std debian modularised kernel |
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| 00:35.39 | neiljp | idnar: I think 9550 is a different chipset... |
| 00:35.46 | idnar | neiljp: standard debian kernel has those built as modules in the first place, I believe |
| 00:35.51 | neiljp | idnar: at least, xf4.4 mentions it whereas 4.3 doesn't |
| 00:36.02 | idnar | neiljp: yeah, 9550 is a different chipset |
| 00:36.06 | neiljp | idnar: 'twill make things easier :) |
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| 00:36.35 | ttl- | hi |
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| 00:37.01 | idnar | neiljp: if you don't want to use the ATi binary drivers (eg. you want to use the free ones in DRI or something), then I don't have any useful information for you. |
| 00:37.08 | idnar | neiljp: there's also #ati if you want to try asking there |
| 00:37.34 | RoN-PePsI | someone spanish? |
| 00:37.41 | neiljp | idnar: well, while 3d would be a bonus, accel 2d would be ok |
| 00:37.41 | jonesy | !rootsmite demonimp |
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| 00:37.43 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:37.43 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:38.05 | lu7dfv | RoN-PePsI: No te van a dar bola acá, te van a mandar de mala manera a #debian-es |
| 00:38.16 | neiljp | idnar: you're using the prop drivers? how well-behaved are they? |
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| 00:39.17 | ttl- | i just installed Debian Sarge on this box, before there was Mandrake 9.1 on it, now with Debian it seems video in XFree86 is much slower |
| 00:39.50 | idnar | neiljp: there seem to be some minor graphics corruption issues with Xvideo, and switching out of X to a console and back can cause bad things to happen, but otherwise I haven't had any real issues |
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| 00:40.24 | neiljp | idnar: define 'bad things'? what driver version, if you recall? |
| 00:40.51 | idnar | neiljp: all of the ones I've used, so far (which is every version since before 3.9.0) |
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| 00:41.06 | idnar | neiljp: 'bad things' range from memory leakage, to the entire system hanging |
| 00:41.17 | neiljp | idnar: niiiiiice |
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| 00:41.34 | ttl- | my video card is a ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage IIC AGP (rev 7a) |
| 00:41.38 | idnar | neiljp: I don't generally ever switch away from X, though, so it doesn't bug me much personally |
| 00:41.57 | idnar | neiljp: new and improved drivers are supposed to be out in December, but we'll see... |
| 00:41.57 | DemonicImp | i just physically installed a creative pci sound card, how do i setup/install it? |
| 00:42.16 | cafuego | DemonicImp: load the driver, set the volume |
| 00:42.33 | idnar | neiljp: actually, I probably haven't tried switching away from X for a version, so it might be fixed by now... |
| 00:42.34 | directhex | DemonicImp, what's the card, and do you want to use OSS or ALSA drivers? |
| 00:42.41 | DemonicImp | OSS |
| 00:42.51 | ttl- | the driber i use is ati |
| 00:42.54 | DemonicImp | i don't know the card |
| 00:42.56 | ttl- | driver* |
| 00:43.06 | cafuego | DemonicImp: 'lspci' |
| 00:43.07 | directhex | DemonicImp, does lspci know what it is? |
| 00:43.07 | DemonicImp | i think it's live 5.1 |
| 00:43.13 | neiljp | idnar: ok, cool, just I seem to be in an infinite loop about choosing nvidia vs ati and I've got to the stage of not caring as long as it works...or else I just move my rage128pro card from my old box ;) |
| 00:43.14 | DemonicImp | qhats lspci? |
| 00:43.22 | cafuego | DemonicImp: a command you should run |
| 00:43.32 | DemonicImp | k |
| 00:43.33 | directhex | neiljp, for 2d or 3d? low or high end? |
| 00:43.39 | neiljp | idnar: but you're not likely to try now ;) |
| 00:43.47 | cafuego | neiljp: The Rage128 will works fine with the dri-trunk drivers. |
| 00:43.57 | neiljp | cafuego: yeah, I know :) |
| 00:44.08 | DemonicImp | 0000:01:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 |
| 00:44.16 | DemonicImp | thats it |
| 00:44.23 | cafuego | DemonicImp: run 'modconf' and load the 'emu10k1' driver. |
| 00:44.24 | neiljp | cafuego: I'm buying a new machine and they're not exactly popular with vendors ;) |
| 00:44.28 | directhex | DemonicImp, modprobe emu10k1, i think |
| 00:44.33 | idnar | neiljp: if 3d performance is an issue, then do bear in mind that the nVIDIA binary drivers give about the same performance as their windows drivers, while the ATi linux drivers perform marginally worse than the windows drivers |
| 00:44.41 | directhex | or do what cafuego aid. i let hotplug handle this shit for me |
| 00:44.50 | directhex | idnar, 66% worse. |
| 00:44.59 | cafuego | neiljp: I have a big fat bias against nvidia, so I'd go ATI. probably a 9600 |
| 00:45.00 | FieldySnuts | ati also supports their drivers very, very poorly |
| 00:45.05 | neiljp | directhex: you mean 66% of windows rate? |
| 00:45.14 | directhex | neiljp, no, 66% slower than windows rate. |
| 00:45.22 | neiljp | directhex: aka 33% of :) |
| 00:45.31 | DemonicImp | where do i find the modprobe/modconf |
| 00:45.38 | cafuego | DemonicImp: in /sbin |
| 00:45.41 | directhex | neiljp, indeed. that;s if you get them to install properly in the first place |
| 00:45.50 | cafuego | DemonicImp: ie: you need to be root to sue 'em |
| 00:45.54 | toresbe | Let's wake up abrotman |
| 00:46.23 | idnar | neiljp: on the other hand, depending on what games you're planning to run, that may not be an issue either (for a 9550, Doom 3 and UT2K4 are probably the only games where you'd be upset by the performance loss) |
| 00:46.26 | DemonicImp | k |
| 00:46.26 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:46.31 | neiljp | directhex: well, I'd just like a nice card, *ideally* with OSS drivers...with my rage128pro I hardly used the 3d, but it'd be nice to try :) |
| 00:46.39 | DemonicImp | so modprobe emu10k1? |
| 00:46.43 | DemonicImp | on root |
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| 00:47.11 | neiljp | idnar: they work ok on something like 9550?! |
| 00:47.19 | directhex | neiljp, there's no sensible OSS 3d. ati cards of 9200 or less have DRI drivers, which are about 50% slower than their ati binary equivalents (so 16% of the speed of the same card under windows). |
| 00:48.00 | neiljp | directhex: you mean, its not worth trying to get a 9200, since its slower than the higher versions with binary drivers, even with the slowdown? |
| 00:48.25 | idnar | neiljp: I don't know about UT2K4, but Doom 3 should be playable on a 9550 in Windows (with appropriate settings); the decreased performance of the Linux drivers will hurt a lot, though |
| 00:48.26 | neiljp | directhex: except...they're binary drivers, and allegedly poorly supported |
| 00:48.42 | directhex | neiljp, it's already a completely obsolete card, if you ignore the fact that it'll run painfully slow for anythign 3d. all of this applies to 3d, not to 2d, where it doesn't really matter |
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| 00:49.26 | spt | is there something i can download to get rid of all my unused modules instead of removing them by hand? |
| 00:49.27 | directhex | neiljp, the 9550 might run with fglrx, but idnar is overlooking the fact that doom3 won't even run due to the defective nature of the fglrx driver |
| 00:49.39 | neiljp | yeah, well there is that |
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| 00:49.43 | directhex | neiljp, and dri won't help with a card that recent |
| 00:49.50 | idnar | directhex: according to flavio's page |
| 00:49.55 | DemonicImp | i ran modprobe emu10k1 |
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| 00:49.56 | idnar | directhex: November 10, 2004 -- Driver version 3.14.6 is available, release notes are here. Doom 3 works (tested), let's toast those demons! |
| 00:50.09 | jethro | !find hostap-source |
| 00:50.13 | dpkg | hostap-source: (Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.2.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 154 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 00:50.19 | jethro | cool upgraded |
| 00:50.25 | DemonicImp | it seemed to work..... atleast it didn't give errors... but it didn't pritn either |
| 00:50.26 | neiljp | idnar: ooooh! |
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| 00:50.44 | idnar | neiljp: as I say, though, I can't predict what performance will be like |
| 00:50.49 | directhex | idnar, that's a recent change, but it's still gonna be painfully slow. my (then) £70 geforce 4 ti 4200 toasts a (then) £300 radon 9800 xt in 3d due to just how poor fglrx is |
| 00:50.51 | DemonicImp | do i have to undo my motherboard audio first? |
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| 00:50.59 | ouaibe | I need a small network monitoring tool that can display only the down/upstream any suggestions? |
| 00:51.02 | neiljp | directhex, idnar: stupid question, but will fast machine (aka prob a3500+) help? |
| 00:51.07 | directhex | idnar, that's benchmarks i've carried out myself, that are mirroed worldwide |
| 00:51.09 | vipersniper | is there a precompiled package of ms-corefonts for debian |
| 00:51.13 | idnar | directhex: what driver version was that? |
| 00:51.16 | directhex | neiljp, not a fucking bit |
| 00:51.25 | idnar | neiljp: basically, no |
| 00:51.27 | directhex | neiljp, ati have no 64bit driver, by the way |
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| 00:52.01 | idnar | neiljp: supposedly the december release will include amd64 support |
| 00:52.05 | neiljp | directhex: heard you can run things in 32bit chroot (effectively)...but that might be screwed with graphics support |
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| 00:52.20 | ttl- | how can i test the 2d performance of my video card in X ? |
| 00:52.31 | neiljp | idnar: the elusive 'next big release'? there was a release recently which was only a bugfix? |
| 00:52.40 | jethro | someone saw cocogivré lately? |
| 00:52.48 | Guerin | vipersniper: in non-free; apt-get install msttcorefonts |
| 00:52.54 | directhex | neiljp, all 'next big release' ati drivers for 6 months have been bugfixes |
| 00:53.03 | neiljp | ho hum |
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| 00:53.12 | ttl- | since i switched from mdk to debian it seems a lot slower |
| 00:53.19 | idnar | neiljp: there haven't really been any massive changes for quite a while, regardless of what you might think from watching the version number ;) |
| 00:53.24 | directhex | neiljp, either way, spend X on an ati, it'll run at the speed of an nvidia of cost X/3 |
| 00:53.24 | pipeline | Why does mdadm insist upon starting my RAID-5 array in degraded mode? |
| 00:53.42 | Guerin | ttl-: we has someone else saying the precise opposite in here yesterday |
| 00:54.21 | ttl- | Guerin: k |
| 00:54.31 | neiljp | directhex: well, alternative is [checks] FX 5500 |
| 00:54.46 | ttl- | Guerin: I just can't figure out how to fix it |
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| 00:55.08 | abrotman | pipeline: cause a drive failed? |
| 00:55.15 | idnar | neiljp: I would have to agree with directhex, nVIDIA cards are a lot more cost-effective under Linux |
| 00:55.17 | neiljp | directhex: given you seem to be somewhat more liking of nv :) |
| 00:55.29 | WiFiTux | Wow, Dell prices kill the IBM prices when talking about servers aswell... |
| 00:55.39 | directhex | neiljp, i simply like my 3d. ati on linux isn't worth the bother of setting up 3d |
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| 00:55.49 | abrotman | but Dell makes shit |
| 00:55.56 | idnar | neiljp: I only play a handful of games in Linux (where they run just fine), and the rest I play in Windows |
| 00:56.01 | directhex | i wouldn't trust a dell 'engineer' inside my clusters |
| 00:56.08 | WiFiTux | abrotman, huh? if you have warranty, does it matter? |
| 00:56.18 | abrotman | i wouldn't trust a dell engineer to make a wood block |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | WiFiTux: yes .. it does |
| 00:56.26 | WiFiTux | directhex, I wont make a Clusters |
| 00:56.30 | pipeline | abrotman: This is not the case. It seems that this is the default behaviour for mdadm |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | WiFiTux: and you should know better |
| 00:56.34 | directhex | WiFiTux, in serverland, things matter |
| 00:56.40 | WiFiTux | directhex, right |
| 00:56.48 | WiFiTux | So, there is a $1000 difference... |
| 00:56.49 | abrotman | WiFiTux: if your shit breaks .. it breaks .. it's broken .. unusable .. by anyone |
| 00:56.49 | neiljp | directhex: so you don't run 3d on linux anyhow? |
| 00:56.57 | abrotman | Dell makes shit |
| 00:56.58 | WiFiTux | so... where should I go... |
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| 00:57.14 | mtnman | abrotman: cheap shit. |
| 00:57.22 | guestish | hum... |
| 00:57.29 | WiFiTux | I know IBM is very good, but imagine how I could improve with $1000 |
| 00:57.30 | directhex | neiljp, i run my geforce 4, i get great performance in ut2004 and other things i choose to play. ut2004 performance in linux was one of the main reasons i jumped to linux - it was that much better than windows |
| 00:57.31 | Guerin | WiFiTux: there's no shame in buying quality hardware... and there's an old saying: Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. |
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| 00:57.56 | abrotman | WiFiTux: well .. that's your problem .. that's why gateway is in the shitter |
| 00:58.01 | WiFiTux | Guerin, I see. |
| 00:58.10 | pipeline | abrotman: Administrator is the name of the unprivileged account on my FreeBSD laptop. |
| 00:58.14 | neiljp | directhex: how does geforce 4 fit into current nv scheme/support? if you know offhand |
| 00:58.16 | abrotman | uh huh |
| 00:58.17 | idnar | Guerin: Nobody ever got fired for buying Windows either, supposedly, but that doesn't mean it's good advice ;) |
| 00:58.20 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I know... and try to mantain a nicer voice tone BTW... |
| 00:58.23 | cafuego | I dunno about ATI, but nvidia drivers have issues compiling under the latest kernels whenever they get released. |
| 00:58.31 | Guerin | idnar: apples :: oranges |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i have no tone .. i'm on irc |
| 00:58.36 | cesarbr | erm something really strange is happening here... My X restarts everytime I open Eterm after I've opened Opera, no matter if I already closed it... |
| 00:58.37 | neiljp | cafuego: they have to be compiled? |
| 00:58.37 | idnar | neiljp: nVIDIA have had unified drivers for ages |
| 00:58.40 | WiFiTux | abrotman, :/ |
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| 00:58.48 | directhex | cafuego, same with ati, but it takes about 3 months rather than a couple of weeks, for a fix |
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| 00:59.00 | cafuego | neiljp: nvidia provide .o files that need linking in with custom compiled wrappers. |
| 00:59.02 | idnar | neiljp: like the ATi drivers, they have a kernel module that you compile; the binary part is the GLX module that talks to the kernel module |
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| 00:59.21 | idnar | well, ok, that wasn't completely accurate |
| 00:59.25 | abrotman | agreed |
| 00:59.26 | directhex | neiljp, all nvidia geforce cards are supported by the 3d driver. including modern pci express dual nforce 4 geforce 6800's |
| 00:59.27 | neiljp | ah, a matrox fan :) |
| 00:59.29 | DemonicImp | how do i undo a driver...... |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | i miss my G550 |
| 00:59.41 | mtnman | demonicimp: rmmod |
| 00:59.52 | directhex | matrox are worse than ati, in the context of this discussion |
| 00:59.52 | WiFiTux | I need 2 server, 1 Will do MS shit, with Video crap, Enviromental music, Cameras recording, Access Control, Which I want to buy this one as a IBM for $2800 and a Dell cheap-o for $800 with stuff. |
| 00:59.59 | neiljp | directhex: was more, how geforce4 compares to FX5500...for ex ;) |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | directhex: not really .. Matrox cards have bad 3d to begin with :) |
| 01:00.10 | cafuego | I need a 2048x1596 desktop with decent colours, not a 400fps Doom3 card |
| 01:00.11 | neiljp | directhex: well, now, I heard they used to be good |
| 01:00.16 | WiFiTux | The Dell is for a MASQ... :) |
| 01:00.17 | cesarbr | anyone ever experienced this? I'm almost sure it happened after Ive installed some fonts trought apt-get (and also made a upgrade) |
| 01:00.25 | directhex | neiljp, for 2d only, 3-4 year old matroxes are good |
| 01:00.33 | ouaibe | Hi, I'm searching for a small tool that can display only the down/upstream and log totals something very simple does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 01:00.35 | directhex | neiljp, their linux support for modern cards is even worse than ati |
| 01:00.50 | doublehp | I want to save the conf of my computer; about the list of installed packages, is it enough to save `dpkg --get-selections` ? or shall I better save /var/lib/dpkg/status ? or is it equivalent ? |
| 01:00.50 | neiljp | directhex: aka parhelia, I suppose |
| 01:00.55 | cesarbr | how can I check the X logs so I can detect what is going on? |
| 01:00.57 | mtnman | ouaibe: xnetload? |
| 01:01.02 | directhex | abrotman, red hat 7.3 rpm's to run a parhelia card (i.e. any post 2002 card)? |
| 01:01.10 | abrotman | directhex: huh? |
| 01:01.19 | abrotman | directhex: i don't have any matrox anymore .. i bought a laptop |
| 01:01.23 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I will keep your word. I will not buy anymore from Dell, only from IBM. |
| 01:01.24 | abrotman | when i had a G550 .. worked fine |
| 01:01.24 | ouaibe | ah nice thanks mtnman |
| 01:01.32 | mtnman | cesarbr: cat .xsession-errors. |
| 01:01.45 | cesarbr | thx |
| 01:01.47 | mtnman | ouaibe: welcome! |
| 01:01.48 | cafuego | The G450 also works fine with the free 64bit drivers |
| 01:01.54 | directhex | abrotman, yes, but the g500 hasn't been made for years. anyone who went out today & bought one would need to rpm -ivh the binary driver into their obsolete redhat install |
| 01:02.04 | directhex | *bought a matrox |
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| 01:02.30 | doublehp | WiFiTux: http://www.xbook-computer.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=40_74&products_id=174 is not that bad .... |
| 01:02.36 | TheTom | can anyone explain this to me? : mozilla-firefox: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0) but 1.4.1-1 is to be installed |
| 01:02.38 | cesarbr | mtnman: where is this file? |
| 01:02.45 | neiljp | well, that seems quite clear then...no idea :) |
| 01:02.55 | Guerin | TheTom: why are you mixing distributions? |
| 01:03.01 | mtnman | cesarbr: in the user's home directory |
| 01:03.21 | abrotman | directhex: maybe .. dunno .. haven't looked |
| 01:03.30 | doublehp | Themaybe one of your sever line of APT is not in the same taste as the other ones ( one may be Sarge, and an other one Woody ) |
| 01:03.32 | cesarbr | ah thx |
| 01:03.36 | cafuego | All I need is (eventually) a new video card |
| 01:03.36 | TheTom | Guerin: i'm not mixing distros, i'm just asking here cause i get no answer in #mepis |
| 01:03.43 | Guerin | TheTom: hahahaha |
| 01:03.47 | cafuego | TheTom: This isn't #mepis |
| 01:03.48 | TheTom | ? |
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| 01:03.53 | WiFiTux | doublehp, I have one of those. |
| 01:03.54 | Guerin | TheTom: pwn3d by mepis' crappy repositories! |
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| 01:03.56 | cafuego | TheTom: And thus we don't support mepis. |
| 01:03.57 | mtnman | thetom: where did you get the firefox deb? |
| 01:04.01 | neiljp | cafuego: lucky you, my last pc died, no idea what's wrong with it |
| 01:04.26 | doublehp | WiFiTux: of course you have one of those ... your pb is that they are NOT all the same taste ... IMHO |
| 01:04.29 | DemonicImp | 0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1) what would be the name of the mod |
| 01:04.34 | cafuego | neiljp: I needed a cd/dvd duplicator and it was cheaper to build a linux box with 6 drives than it was to buy a dedicated machine |
| 01:04.35 | Guerin | TheTom: just use the statically built binary from mozilla.org and be happy |
| 01:04.46 | TheTom | mtnman: deb ftp://ftp.no.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 01:04.49 | cafuego | DemonicImp: nvaudio; possibly binary-only |
| 01:05.01 | doublehp | cafuego: I want to save the conf of my computer; about the list of installed packages, is it enough to save `dpkg --get-selections` ? or shall I better save /var/lib/dpkg/status ? or is it equivalent ? |
| 01:05.06 | Guerin | TheTom: mepis + debian repositories == b0rkag3 |
| 01:05.20 | directhex | abrotman, i have, because i'm completely fucking sick of 'matrox is best' rhetoric which hasn't been updated since 2000. matrox produced fine 2d cards, with fine open source support. all 6 and 7 series matrox cards (parhelia) are markedly worse than even ati for support. say what you like about nvidia's use of binary drivers, but at least said binary driver comes for linux x86-64, freebsd, and is designed to install on any distro, not just obsolete |
| 01:05.20 | directhex | deadrat |
| 01:05.22 | mtnman | thetom: what is your debian version? |
| 01:05.22 | TheTom | Guerin: why? |
| 01:05.30 | Guerin | TheTom: because mepis is not debian. |
| 01:05.40 | Guerin | mtnman: try to keep up, he's using mepis |
| 01:05.49 | directhex | mepis w/ debian repositories == pain |
| 01:06.01 | pipeline | directhex: hear, hear. I really wanted a parhelia, too :( |
| 01:06.03 | nazgul-x | hello... i've got a simple question. if i'm going to make a net install of debian (stable) do i need all the 4 cds written (bf2.4, compact, vanilla, idepci)? |
| 01:06.22 | TheTom | thanx though ;) |
| 01:06.24 | pipeline | nazgul-x: All of those kernels are usually on one CD. |
| 01:06.31 | cafuego | directhex: Probably much in the way I don't understand the "I need a 256MB gfx card with 700fps for running nethack" mentality. |
| 01:06.36 | directhex | pipeline, the 3 display bit is cool, the percormance (even under windows) isn't |
| 01:06.38 | mtnman | nazgul-x: no you do not. usually one is enough. |
| 01:06.46 | abrotman | directhex: i only use them for 2d .. i never said anything about anyhting else |
| 01:06.53 | doublehp | Nazgul no ... just a netinst ... which is about 110 M IIRC |
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| 01:07.00 | mtnman | nazgul-x: i suggest reading the install manual for further details. |
| 01:07.02 | DemonicImp | nvaudio isnt its name |
| 01:07.12 | doublehp | Nazgul a business racd could be enough ( 38M ) |
| 01:07.18 | pipeline | directhex: Ah, well, with the advent of PCI-E, we may not need them at all. |
| 01:07.25 | doublehp | Nazgul a business card could be enough ( 38M ) |
| 01:07.43 | lu7dfv | Anyone knows how to make the zyxel prestige series 600 adsl modem work on linux? |
| 01:07.56 | TheTom | i just tried this mepislivecd i found, that's all. i thought it worked fine. maybe not |
| 01:08.00 | abrotman | sussudio: http://www.gavinroy.com/Videos/Elektronik_Supersonik.mpg |
| 01:08.10 | doublehp | lu7dfv: I recommend you buf a Bewan ethernet from ebay .... |
| 01:08.10 | pipeline | For future reference, the mdadm docs are full of shit. On a moderately large array, syncing the RAID-5 is faster than adding a disk to a degraded array. |
| 01:08.13 | nazgul-x | okay, thanx for help |
| 01:08.27 | lu7dfv | doublehp: :/ |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | sussudio: that may be better than badger |
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| 01:09.21 | doublehp | lu7dfv: all you need is to set up the VPI/VCI using the web page of the modem, then you have a perfectly stable cnx |
| 01:10.45 | lu7dfv | doublehp: that's with a ethernet one, right? |
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| 01:11.15 | directhex | anyway, wherever we were, only nvidia can offer performance 3d in linux, and they're the lesser of several evils. |
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| 01:12.01 | neiljp | directhex: seems fairly clear :) |
| 01:12.03 | doublehp | lu7dfv: sure : I have been using ethernet for years .... just fine : when the USB modem makes Linux crache every 48h, I can stand more than 6 or 10 days using ethernet ... but bewan also provide USB .... that why I mentioned 'ETHERNET bewan' ... |
| 01:12.04 | cafuego | directhex: That depends, the tax nvidia pays funds Georghe Bush. the tax ATI pays doesn't. |
| 01:12.17 | cafuego | that makes nvidia far more evil |
| 01:12.20 | doublehp | lu7dfv: I saw one for 15 euros yesterday on ebay.fr |
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| 01:12.24 | pipeline | What the fuck kind of logic is that, cafuego |
| 01:12.39 | pipeline | nVidia and ATI are both inherently evil because they practice third degree price discrimination |
| 01:12.42 | cafuego | pipeline: US company pays tax to bush. Canadian company doesn't. |
| 01:12.43 | directhex | cafuego, ati only have rpm drivers. as a redhat sysadmin, i consider that FAR more evil. |
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| 01:13.00 | cafuego | pipeline: How is that not correct? |
| 01:13.15 | lu7dfv | doublehp: thanks a lot! |
| 01:13.18 | doublehp | directhex use alien ^^ |
| 01:13.25 | spoofer | it depends of wich side you call evil.. |
| 01:13.29 | neiljp | hah |
| 01:13.37 | doublehp | lu7dfv: any other ethernet modem can do ... |
| 01:13.48 | asuffield | evil would be my side |
| 01:13.57 | doublehp | is alien evil ? |
| 01:14.00 | doublehp | or ... |
| 01:14.05 | doublehp | is evil an alien ? |
| 01:14.41 | directhex | doublehp, you can use flavio stanchina's properly prepared .debs, rather than the rubbish alien produces without guidance. but ati's license means it can't get distributed about anywhere more official than flavio's website |
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| 01:15.24 | neiljp | directhex: but nvidia's can? next you'll be telling me there are nvidia driver debs on debian.org... |
| 01:15.25 | Narg | Do Dsl modems work with Linux? (qwest.com modem in specific) |
| 01:15.26 | mtnman | cafuego: if a canadian company sells product in the us, they still pay some us tax. |
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| 01:15.38 | directhex | !info nvidia-glx |
| 01:15.40 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.6629+1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2814 kB, Installed size: 9068 kB |
| 01:15.40 | Narg | it says req of win 98+, but is it really needed? |
| 01:15.43 | cafuego | mtnman: Not nearly as much, though. |
| 01:16.07 | directhex | neiljp, ^^ |
| 01:16.12 | mtnman | cafuego: true. note i said "some" |
| 01:16.15 | jonoa | could anyone give some hints on how to count the number of lines in files (specified by a wildcard) recursively through a directory? |
| 01:16.37 | neiljp | directhex: whoa... |
| 01:16.41 | pipeline | jonoa: man sed. man perl. Prayer. |
| 01:16.42 | mtnman | janoa: i bet grep has an option. |
| 01:16.48 | neiljp | directhex: but the ati binaries can't be distributed like that? |
| 01:17.11 | mtnman | jonoa: exactly what do you mean by "count the number of lines in files (specified by a wildcard)" |
| 01:17.13 | mtnman | ? |
| 01:17.26 | Narg | Anyone know? |
| 01:17.26 | neiljp | jonoa: wc -l is your friend |
| 01:17.27 | cafuego | jonoa: man 'wc' |
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| 01:17.51 | jonoa | mtn: for example, count the number of lines in all the *.txt files through a directory and print the total |
| 01:18.03 | directhex | neiljp, indeed. nvidia are evil for their binary drivers, but they're still a lesser evil. |
| 01:18.06 | jonoa | neiljp: yeah, i just can't work out how to make it traverse the directory |
| 01:18.11 | cafuego | You'll remember nvidia binaries didn't used to be able to be distributed like that either. |
| 01:18.22 | neiljp | jonoa: all files? man find |
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| 01:18.26 | mtnman | jonoa: wc should do the trick. |
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| 01:18.55 | bloom | jonoa: how about wc -l $(find directory-path -name '*.txt') |
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| 01:19.02 | jonesy | jonoa, cat with regex and wc |
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| 01:19.04 | cafuego | nvz: Not much to see |
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| 01:19.12 | bloom | replacing directory-path by the appropriate path to the directory |
| 01:19.17 | nvz | cafuego: oh well. |
| 01:19.36 | jonoa | bloom: brillant! thanks |
| 01:19.39 | cafuego | nvz: directhex is on one of his paid-for-by-nvidia rants again. |
| 01:19.40 | pipeline | jonoa, wouldn't it be pretty easy to just "cat * | wc -l" ? |
| 01:19.41 | neiljp | directhex: well, ability to be packaged strikes me as kinda winning :D |
| 01:19.49 | nvz | heh |
| 01:19.56 | bloom | jonoa: you're welcome |
| 01:19.58 | jonoa | pipeline: can cat traverse a directory? |
| 01:20.14 | nvz | cafuego: it could be worse. |
| 01:20.19 | cafuego | jonoa: cat *.txt | wc -l |
| 01:20.22 | directhex | cafuego, all hail cards that haven't seen the inside of a chip-fab for 4 years and were only good for one thing even then? |
| 01:20.23 | pipeline | jonoa: not recursively |
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| 01:20.33 | pipeline | jonoa: well, not at all. But that's what shell globbing is for. |
| 01:20.38 | nvz | cafuego: rahul and kawfee could be here high on caffine |
| 01:20.42 | pipeline | jonoa: Shell globbing is such a huge pain in the ass, it has to be good for SOMETHING |
| 01:20.52 | cafuego | directhex: Indeed. None of that newfangled proprietary shite. Buying 'em only makes 'em think it's a good idea. |
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| 01:21.06 | pipeline | jonoa: I thought you wanted to count all the lines with "foo" on them. Which is hard and involves some regexp crap. |
| 01:21.16 | directhex | cafuego, so buying matrox cards doesn't encourage matrox's campaign of redhat 7.3 rpm's? |
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| 01:21.20 | mtnman | pipeline: i think grep can do that. |
| 01:21.22 | cafuego | pipeline: grep foo * | wc -l |
| 01:21.29 | bloom | pipeline: shell globbing is good for one thing: rm -rf * |
| 01:21.33 | guestish | grep can do anything! |
| 01:21.34 | guestish | :) |
| 01:21.45 | pipeline | cafuego, mtnman: duh. I find myself only using grep on pipes for some reason. |
| 01:21.55 | cafuego | directhex: No, it doesn't. |
| 01:22.24 | bjron | hey I'm looking for information on running x programs as another user so that I don't have to log out just to check my email (sure I could use a text client but. . ). Can someone direct me in the right direction? |
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| 01:22.54 | mtnman | bjron: open a shell as user1, su user2, run app. |
| 01:23.08 | cafuego | bjron: sudo |
| 01:23.12 | Glanzmann | Hello, is there a reasond that some libs like libresolv and libdl are not compiled with framepointers?! |
| 01:23.28 | Glanzmann | It's a little hard to obtain backtaces if the code doesn't contain framepointers?! |
| 01:23.33 | bjron | mtnman: don't think that'll work for x programs, won't be able to open the display |
| 01:23.34 | neiljp | mtnman: with X changes...I use ssh -X sometimes to solve that :) |
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| 01:23.48 | neiljp | mtnman: if sshd is set up right, of course |
| 01:23.49 | Glanzmann | http://sial.org/pbot/5745 |
| 01:24.04 | mtnman | bjron: ssh -X user2@localhost |
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| 01:24.30 | bjron | mtnman: ah, ok I'll try that. |
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| 01:24.53 | mtnman | bjron: good luck! |
| 01:25.04 | Glanzmann | You know that you hav to enable x in /etc/ssh/sshd_config explicit |
| 01:25.10 | Glanzmann | x forwarding |
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| 01:25.22 | Glanzmann | and restart sshd afterwards using /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 01:25.28 | Glanzmann | Off is the default for debian. |
| 01:25.31 | neiljp | bjron: alternatively, you can use 'xhost +local:' to add local users...afaict |
| 01:25.48 | neiljp | bjron: for x perms, that is |
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| 01:25.50 | bjron | neiljp: what's afaict? |
| 01:25.51 | directhex | cafuego, thrown your weight behind the mailing lists on http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=9003, since you seem to feel so strongly? |
| 01:25.55 | mtnman | glanzmann: good point, i normally edit sshd_config shortly after installing sshd. |
| 01:25.58 | neiljp | bjron: as far as I can tell :) |
| 01:26.01 | bjron | err nm |
| 01:26.05 | bjron | :) |
| 01:26.11 | Glanzmann | mtnman: It does cfengine for me. :-) |
| 01:26.39 | Glanzmann | bjron: apt-get install dict |
| 01:26.51 | Glanzmann | dict stupidabbreviations |
| 01:27.14 | bjron | heh |
| 01:27.28 | mtnman | !dict stupid abbreviations |
| 01:27.31 | dpkg | could not find definition for stupid abbreviations |
| 01:27.39 | mtnman | !dict stupidabbreviations |
| 01:27.40 | dpkg | could not find definition for stupidabbreviations |
| 01:27.54 | cafuego | directhex: No, there's no reason for me to do so. |
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| 01:28.03 | ixi-deb05 | Hi |
| 01:28.13 | ixi-deb05 | Is there a tool for converting preformated text into html? |
| 01:28.29 | ixi-deb05 | I need rough one |
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| 01:28.32 | bjron | hrm, niethr the ssh thing or the xhost trick worked ;( I'll have to read a bit on xhost mb. |
| 01:28.35 | directhex | cafuego, if you buy a new PC at any point in the future, it won't have an AGP slot to fit a G550. |
| 01:28.37 | Glanzmann | ixi-deb05: Forntpage from Microsot. |
| 01:28.50 | ixi-deb05 | Glanzmann: thanx. more ideas? |
| 01:28.52 | mtnman | bjron: did you edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 01:29.08 | cafuego | directhex: I bought one a few weeks back, which has an AGP slot, which has my G450 in it. |
| 01:29.11 | bjron | mtnman: no, that's probably the problem there, was an error about keys . . |
| 01:29.41 | bloom | ixi-deb05: enclose it in <pre> </pre> tags |
| 01:29.41 | bjron | is there a reason one method is "better" than the other? |
| 01:30.16 | mtnman | bjron: you need to edit sshd_config and change X11Forwarding to "yes" and restart sshd. |
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| 01:30.37 | directhex | cafuego, agp is deprecated & not found on modern chipsets (nforce4, intel i9xx) or future chipsets |
| 01:30.39 | ixi-deb05 | bloom: tried, not works with Translator: http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box?systran_lp=ko_en&systran_id=SystranSoft-en&systran_url=http://neganov.ru/files/mu/item.html&systran_f=1101777974 |
| 01:30.42 | Glanzmann | ixi-deb05: apt-get install txt2html |
| 01:30.53 | Glanzmann | it's like frontpage just from the commandline. |
| 01:31.06 | cafuego | directhex: yet any PCI gfx card (including, but not limited to my Millennium 2) will work fine on them. |
| 01:31.08 | bjron | mtnman: ok thanks, but is using ssh better than xhost? |
| 01:31.22 | lu7dfv | agp deprecated? well, here in the third world.... My mobo only have ISA and PCI slots :D |
| 01:32.04 | mtnman | bjron: i think so... |
| 01:32.07 | cafuego | directhex: I don't know about planet directhex, but where I live *I* dictate the hardware I use, not some manufacturer. |
| 01:32.14 | bloom | ixi-deb05: well, is there a problem aside from the fact that you've got the URL in the wrong box? |
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| 01:32.34 | mtnman | dpkg tell bjron about xhost |
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| 01:32.42 | kbrooks | Hi. |
| 01:32.50 | maebmij | hallo. |
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| 01:32.53 | directhex | cafuego, PCI is also deprecated, now that you mention it. it's currently in the old ISA position of a couple of slots at the end of the motherboard, which will disappear in fairly short order |
| 01:33.08 | pipeline | I think AGP has a long, healthy life in front of it. Consider how long VL-BUS hung on after the advent of PCI. |
| 01:33.10 | ixi-deb05 | bloom: i don't understand what you are talking about... |
| 01:33.10 | kbrooks | How do I update kernels? |
| 01:33.21 | directhex | pipeline, three weeks or so |
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| 01:33.29 | sun_ | kbrooks, aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:33.32 | bloom | when I clicked the link you pasted, it has a url in the "text" box |
| 01:33.40 | mtnman | kbrooks: the easy way ios to install a kernel-image. |
| 01:33.47 | mtnman | s/ios/is/ |
| 01:33.53 | bloom | so it won't translate the text of the page if the url is in the wrong box. |
| 01:33.59 | cafuego | directhex: Oh well, then i suppose I should trash all my machines and buy new ones the moment a new spec is released. heaven forfend, I can't possibly be stuck with last month's hardware. |
| 01:34.30 | cafuego | directhex: Or maybe I'm just imagining all those PCI slots on all those new mobos in the shops. |
| 01:34.33 | mtnman | cafuego: as long as your not stuck with last month's milk. |
| 01:34.50 | pipeline | directhex, Hah. You only wish it had been so short. |
| 01:34.50 | Glanzmann | l8er |
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| 01:35.02 | ixi-deb05 | bloom: go here http://www.systransoft.com/ and enter this url: http://neganov.ru/files/mu/item.html and set Korean-English translation.. And you will see what I mean |
| 01:35.07 | mtnman | cafuego: s/your/you're/ |
| 01:35.18 | cafuego | mtnman: I am, but I call it cheese ;-) |
| 01:35.38 | tomb0y | im running debian woody, i have apache 1.3.26 installed. If i turn on the computer, apache automatically starts up and works fine, if i run /etc/init.d/apache restart it stops it and never restarts it. if i run /etc/init.d/apache start it states "Starting web server: apachefailed" any ideas how to get apache to start without actually rebooting, cuz reboot will always work, but thats been annoying |
| 01:35.41 | maebmij | as far as I can tell, the PCI-X graphics cards that are available (a smaller range than the current AGP ones) are mostly AGP cards with PCI-X connectors on the bottom... |
| 01:35.44 | bloom | ixi-deb05: I did that. it looks like it lost all ability to wrap the text, but otherwise it translated it. |
| 01:35.45 | mtnman | cafuego: then... as long as you're not stuck with last month's cheese! |
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| 01:35.54 | bloom | ixi-deb05: of course, I could be wrong as I don't know korean |
| 01:36.01 | directhex | maebmij, pci-x is a name for 64bit pci. think you mean pci-e |
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| 01:36.10 | cafuego | mtnman: I like matured cheese |
| 01:36.12 | maebmij | directhex: thanks, I probably do :) |
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| 01:36.17 | ixi-deb05 | bloom: me to :) |
| 01:36.26 | johaBBa | mmm...cheeese |
| 01:36.41 | maebmij | pci-e == pci-express? |
| 01:36.42 | directhex | maebmij, and that pplies for about half the ati range. nvidia 6 series agp cards are pcie cards with agp connectors strapped on. |
| 01:36.49 | ixi-deb05 | bloom: I'd prefer it leave formating untouched since its configuration file :( |
| 01:37.23 | bloom | ixi-deb05: if you're willing to wait 5 or 6 years, I plan to get my PhD doing natural language processing :) |
| 01:37.45 | bloom | ixi-deb05: until then, I don't know what to do about it. |
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| 01:38.18 | directhex | cafuego, nicely dodging my point that you can't assume your Gwhatthefuckeveraslongasitslessthan650 will guide you into the future. since the idea of any of the major graphics card companies offends, i'm not sure being utterly dismissive of a company's attempt to build a card which is open source from the ground up is the best course. unless you have plans to never buy abother pc |
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| 01:38.37 | kbrooks | meh, apt-get is easy |
| 01:38.38 | Myren | how do I ls not-a-pattern? |
| 01:38.45 | Myren | ls !(*zip) |
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| 01:38.55 | kbrooks | it does everything automagically |
| 01:39.09 | The_Vulture | Myren: depends on your shell and its escaping syntax |
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| 01:39.18 | maebmij | myren: maybe something like ls |grep -v zip? that's what I'd do... |
| 01:39.37 | kbrooks | mtnman, what do you mean? |
| 01:39.44 | Myren | The_Vulture: zsh, for now. |
| 01:40.13 | cafuego | directhex: if and when the times comes, I'll make my decision on the THEN available technologies. That's going to be over a year away. In the mean time I'll stick with what i have, as it works absolutely fine. |
| 01:40.20 | kbrooks | be right back |
| 01:40.22 | pipeline | directhex, cafuego: ATI and nVidia are not large companies. But they're both much, much bigger than "Tech Source" |
| 01:40.24 | mtnman | kbrooks: in cartoons, when someone is enlightened, a light bulb appears above their head. |
| 01:40.38 | bloom | ixi-deb05: maybe you should write your own program to eat tabs and turn them into tables. |
| 01:40.43 | Myren | oh boy, bzip2 slow. |
| 01:40.49 | zignig | mtnman: you forgot the <ding> sound effect. |
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| 01:40.55 | kbrooks | mtnman, and you don't like my enlightened? why? |
| 01:40.58 | Myren | thanks maebmij, words greap. |
| 01:41.02 | directhex | pipeline, they're both pretty fucking big. but small graphics companies continue to survive, with niche products (duch as 16-head cards) |
| 01:41.07 | mtnman | kbrooks: why do you think i didn't like it? |
| 01:41.17 | zignig | directhex: who makes a 16 head card ? |
| 01:41.17 | bloom | ixi-deb05: or just apt-get every WYSIWYG web editor in debian and keep trying them until one succeeds |
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| 01:41.32 | mtnman | kbrooks: i normally shade my eyes from bright lights. |
| 01:41.36 | cafuego | directhex: The way things stand at the moment, should my gfx card blow up, I'll be buying an ATI. Easy as that. |
| 01:41.36 | kbrooks | mtnman, because apt-get doesn't do *everything* for me automagically |
| 01:41.37 | directhex | zignig, can't remember, but it was a massive card with a lot of really shite chips on it |
| 01:41.54 | zignig | directhex: still , array of tvs thats one big screen. |
| 01:42.09 | directhex | zignig, i think thats the idea |
| 01:42.28 | cafuego | directhex: And Yes, I'll be buying a cheap ATI that works with the open drivers. |
| 01:42.54 | directhex | cafuego, if you're only interested in 2d, then that's a perfetly reasonable option |
| 01:43.03 | cafuego | directhex: I rest my case. |
| 01:43.21 | Myren | my grafix card died too. |
| 01:43.24 | cafuego | directhex: Like I said before, i don't understand aliens who need 700fps on their latest game. |
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| 01:43.28 | Myren | graphics. damnit! look what the internet is doing to me. |
| 01:43.40 | mtnman | ixi-deb05: i would bet that open office can save a document as html. |
| 01:43.42 | maebmij | When my matrox g400 finally dies, what's a good replacement that has open drivers? mainly for 2d stuff... |
| 01:43.53 | directhex | cafuego, do you mean that, or do you mean you don't understand people who want games more taxing than nethack? |
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| 01:44.03 | Myren | all i have left are two matrox millenium 2's. |
| 01:44.06 | cafuego | directhex: I mean it. |
| 01:44.21 | Guerin | maebmij: nvidia tnt2 |
| 01:44.25 | pipeline | maebmij: The older Radeons have open drivers. |
| 01:44.28 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: Your eye can't see 700fps so it is all just a pissing contest at that point. |
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| 01:44.43 | cafuego | maebmij: A radeon 7XXX or 8XXX |
| 01:44.44 | pipeline | maebmij: Radeon 8500, 9100, 9200, and 9200SE are the newest Radeons with open drivers. |
| 01:45.10 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: http://www.gavinroy.com/Videos/Elektronik_Supersonik.mpg |
| 01:45.12 | shingouz | directhex: movies are made on 24 fps... 700fps is a bit overkill :) |
| 01:45.19 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, i never said it could. my card is 2 years old, and tends to tick along at 20-80 frames, depending on the game. if i didn't have nvidia's binary driver, you could strip the zeros |
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| 01:45.54 | kuser | I'm new to debian...do you use "debi" to install a .deb? |
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| 01:46.06 | Guerin | 700fps is actually just cafuego's hyperbole showing |
| 01:46.06 | The_Vulture | kuser: dpkg |
| 01:46.16 | kuser | The_Vulture, what's debi for? |
| 01:46.17 | shingouz | kuser: apt-get |
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| 01:46.32 | cafuego | ANything at 'fps > refresh rate' is useless |
| 01:46.32 | directhex | kuser, dpkg -i foo.deb, or apt-get install foopackage |
| 01:46.52 | kuser | thanks..yeah, apt-get isn't happy right now |
| 01:47.12 | cafuego | Like say benchmarking halo2 at 130fps on a 60Hz LCD screen. |
| 01:47.23 | directhex | halo2 is an xbox game |
| 01:47.31 | jeremye77 | hi! Does anyone know what to type into apt to get the java plugin for Firefox? |
| 01:47.32 | directhex | it's hardfly much of a benchmark |
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| 01:47.41 | cafuego | directhex: halo1 then, either way. any game |
| 01:48.44 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Heh. |
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| 01:49.34 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i thought it was good |
| 01:49.50 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: It is so bad that yes it loops back to good. :) |
| 01:50.01 | directhex | cafuego, as games get more taxing, the average framerates to expect go down. below about 30fps, it's pretty nasty, especially on a crt. conversely, if it starts going above the refresh rate, people tend to increase visual quality (larger texture maps, higher detail shadowing, shader effects, model detail). high framerate numbers are a benchmark, simply that. by establishing standard conditions, a card with a better silly framerate will prodcue a bet |
| 01:50.01 | directhex | ter image quality at a realistic framerate |
| 01:50.09 | garrett_ | jeremye77, /msg dpkg install java |
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| 01:50.23 | pipeline | Guerin: I did fine on a P100 with 16mb. But I had to kill audio to get those 15 fps :( |
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| 01:50.25 | directhex | i remember absolutely loving just how much better quake 2 ran with a voodoo2 installed compared to software rendering |
| 01:50.30 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i think sushi will enjoy |
| 01:50.35 | abrotman | err sussudio |
| 01:50.36 | garrett_ | jeremye77, also /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 01:50.41 | directhex | that reminds me, i need to apt-get install quake2 |
| 01:50.47 | fzzzt | Hello, are there any wireless NICs that work with debian? I have a 2.4 machine that I need to connect to a wireless network but haven't found much online yet... |
| 01:50.48 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: oh yeah he will *love* it. |
| 01:50.51 | jeremye77 | thanks! |
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| 01:51.00 | Guerin | pipeline: i could still pwn my flatmate who had a brand new riva128 :) |
| 01:51.15 | kuser | ack, dependency hell |
| 01:51.26 | kuser | here's the error: E: The package frozen-bubble-data needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 01:51.35 | kuser | whenever I try to install or remove anything |
| 01:51.42 | mtnman | fzzzt: it all depends on the kernel. you can look in the kernel's modules directory... |
| 01:51.50 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: maybe we'll get an !offblast $1 |
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| 01:52.04 | mtnman | fzzzt: also, the hardware howto at tldp.org may help. |
| 01:52.29 | jonesy | fzzzt, or #wireless |
| 01:52.30 | mtnman | fzzzt: the hardware howto lists which modules are needed for supported hardware. |
| 01:52.42 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I'd almost bet on it. |
| 01:53.01 | fzzzt | so noone knows any cards that do work? |
| 01:53.07 | jonesy | fzzzt, i have been told the senao 200mw cards are really good with the hostap modules. |
| 01:53.18 | mtnman | fzzzt: also prism2 is supported. |
| 01:53.24 | fzzzt | ok |
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| 01:53.36 | jonesy | i think senao is prism2 |
| 01:53.40 | fzzzt | thanks |
| 01:53.45 | mtnman | fzzzt: besides, we did tell you how to find out which cards are supported... :D |
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| 01:56.57 | toothpick | I am trying to compile Ggradebook on a sid machine...but it uses an older gtk1.0 is there a way to install it? |
| 01:57.24 | directhex | definitely 1.0? gtk 1.2 should provide the dependancies (libgtk1.2-dev, something like that) |
| 01:57.41 | toothpick | ok I'll check. |
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| 01:58.40 | tallison | What packages are available for something like x-console? I can't find something by that name. |
| 01:59.08 | abrotman | isn't it talesin? |
| 01:59.09 | directhex | there are lots of x based terminals. konsole, xterm, gnome-terminal, Eterm, powershell, etc etc etc |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | wtf is x-console |
| 01:59.40 | tallison | xconsole is a gui type term that shows you the syslog (or other) output |
| 01:59.59 | tallison | It's not a terminal. |
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| 02:00.15 | directhex | there's a gdesklet to do that |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | yay gdesklet |
| 02:00.27 | directhex | well there is -_- |
| 02:00.41 | mtnman | tallison: xbase-clients contains xconsole. |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | i like them |
| 02:00.42 | tallison | gdesklet? sounds gnomish |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | it is |
| 02:00.55 | tallison | mtnman: bingo! Thanks |
| 02:00.58 | abrotman | !gdesklets |
| 02:01.03 | abrotman | !gdesklet |
| 02:01.06 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:01.08 | mtnman | tallison: welcome! |
| 02:01.25 | tallison | So... How do you enable it? |
| 02:01.25 | toresbe | Pronounced.. G-DES-klet |
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| 02:01.48 | mtnman | toresbe: gee-desk-let |
| 02:02.12 | toresbe | mtnman: Well, duh. |
| 02:02.24 | directhex | you install gdesklets, ans start the daemon with 'gdesklets start' |
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| 02:02.34 | tallison | All I get is "Couldn't open console" |
| 02:02.37 | tallison | :(... |
| 02:02.38 | directhex | which will give control via the systray |
| 02:02.48 | mtnman | tallison: you probably need to be root. |
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| 02:03.29 | tallison | sudo works, I think.. At least it makes more sense. |
| 02:03.36 | tallison | "Console log for isengard" |
| 02:03.55 | Kelt^ | what is the command for the install cd for debian to have support for reiserfs? |
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| 02:04.20 | directhex | using a mdoern cd would do that. e.g. sarge, or maybe bf24 |
| 02:04.23 | directhex | *modern |
| 02:04.25 | abrotman | Kelt^: linux26 maybe? |
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| 02:04.28 | The_Vulture | Kelt^: bf24 has support for that |
| 02:04.34 | Kelt^ | okay, bf24 looks right :) |
| 02:04.38 | reversal` | How can I change permission of something like /mnt/win, or change it so its not read only anymore? |
| 02:04.39 | The_Vulture | oh, if yer talking about d-i, then I dunno |
| 02:04.47 | IceGuest_5 | is there a command to check what the existing hardware is on your system? such as CPU speed and type? |
| 02:04.53 | directhex | reversal`, what file type is it? |
| 02:04.56 | The_Vulture | reversal`: read the mount man page |
| 02:04.57 | initech | IceGuest_5: lshw |
| 02:05.03 | directhex | IceGuest_5, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:05.05 | The_Vulture | if you want to change the perms of the mounted filesystem anyway |
| 02:05.08 | The_Vulture | mount and fstab |
| 02:05.17 | reversal` | ntfs |
| 02:05.24 | mtnman | iceguest_5: also cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:05.25 | directhex | reversal`, you can't write to ntfs |
| 02:05.37 | Kelt^ | well does the new debian 3.0r_2 install automatically include support for reiserfs? |
| 02:05.40 | toresbe | directhex: That's false. |
| 02:05.51 | tallison | Normally I would put this into /etc/X11/Xsession.d/... but root? |
| 02:05.52 | shingouz | Kelt^: at least with bf24 |
| 02:05.53 | remmy | directhex: thanks |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | Kelt^: doubtful .. |
| 02:06.03 | initech | remmy: lshw will tell you everything, including how the memory banks are populated |
| 02:06.06 | Kelt^ | hmm |
| 02:06.07 | abrotman | Kelt^: maybe with bf24 .. but i'm still skeptical |
| 02:06.11 | Kelt^ | bah... |
| 02:06.13 | Kelt^ | why not? |
| 02:06.14 | reversal` | right, but i mounted to /mnt/win and had to do it as root, i can now view and exec files, but only as root, now i want to do it with my uid |
| 02:06.20 | directhex | toresbe, okay, you can't SAFELY write to ntfs on files smaller than 1024 bytes, or files larger than that where you want to change the filesize. also note scandisk will have a hear attack on next windows boot |
| 02:06.29 | Kelt^ | what is wrong with reiserfs that debian doesn't automatically include it? |
| 02:06.49 | initech | Kelt^: they don't? |
| 02:07.03 | directhex | Kelt^, woody is 2 years old, maybe? most people here would recommend sarge (/msg dpkg d-i) for a desktop |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | !woody |
| 02:07.07 | dpkg | i guess woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 02:07.09 | abrotman | more than 2 |
| 02:07.20 | mtnman | kelt^: not so much that there is something wrong, but that it is not installed by default because not everyone will want it. |
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| 02:07.43 | reversal` | So, how do I change the permissions, chown doesnt change ownership for some reason |
| 02:07.45 | sgeigerbot | Is makejail generally considered the best jail-making tool? |
| 02:07.55 | Kelt^ | hmm |
| 02:07.56 | mtnman | reversal: chmod |
| 02:08.07 | reversal` | chmod ... |
| 02:08.12 | directhex | reversal`, look up dmask and fmask in the man mount page |
| 02:08.21 | kbrooks | Hello. I want to be secure on Debian. Is there ANY debian security guide? |
| 02:08.53 | reversal` | what should i do with chmod |
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| 02:09.03 | holycow | chmod it |
| 02:09.05 | mtnman | reversal |
| 02:09.08 | holycow | <_< |
| 02:09.09 | mtnman | reversal: man chmod? |
| 02:09.10 | maebmij | reversal`: chown is a root only thing... |
| 02:09.20 | reversal` | and i changed it as root |
| 02:10.03 | sgeigerbot | kbrooks: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 02:10.09 | directhex | you can't change a thing on an already mounted ntfs partition |
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| 02:10.29 | directhex | you need to use dmask and fmask, if memory serves. or was it umask? t'was one for ntfs, t'other for smbfs |
| 02:10.46 | reversal` | so you're saying my uid will never be able to execute files on /mnt/win? |
| 02:11.01 | reversal` | that doesnt make sense if i cant mount it as anything but root |
| 02:11.10 | mtnman | reversal`: you can remount it with different permissions. |
| 02:11.13 | directhex | dude, you're a complete fucktard |
| 02:11.16 | reversal` | how? |
| 02:11.18 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 02:11.20 | reversal` | shhhh |
| 02:11.24 | abrotman | !directhex++ |
| 02:11.24 | directhex | CHANGE. THE. MOUNT. OPTIONS. jesus... |
| 02:11.34 | abrotman | bonus points for use of fucktard |
| 02:11.34 | mtnman | reversal`: i suggest you read man mount. |
| 02:11.38 | sgeigerbot | ~+harden-doc |
| 02:11.39 | apt | it has been said that harden-doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:12.34 | sgeigerbot | Which jailing tools are popular among the people currently in the channel? |
| 02:12.56 | zinx | chroot! |
| 02:12.57 | zinx | : |
| 02:12.58 | zinx | erh, :/ |
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| 02:13.12 | kbrooks | can I "upgrade" my file system from ext2 to ext3? |
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| 02:13.37 | mtnman | dpkg tell sgeigerbot about polls |
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| 02:13.53 | mtnman | dpkg tell sgeigerbot about chroot |
| 02:14.02 | sgeigerbot | mtnman: Btw, I'm the person that created the poll factoid idea...okay. Yes! I'm taking a poll. |
| 02:14.10 | sgeigerbot | mtnman: thanks. |
| 02:14.16 | maebmij | kbrooks: tune2fs, with some options like '-j' or something :) |
| 02:14.33 | kbrooks | sgeigerbot? |
| 02:14.39 | kbrooks | anyone? |
| 02:14.42 | mtnman | sgeigerbot: if you wrote that factoid, then you know how annoying polls are! :D |
| 02:14.46 | i0err | is there a way to find my video card...Im on a G3 apple |
| 02:14.50 | initech | kbrooks: man tune2fs, change your /etc/fstab to ext3 |
| 02:14.51 | shingouz | kbrooks: yes |
| 02:14.59 | i0err | the maker of , or is like a lsmod |
| 02:15.05 | initech | i0err: lspci |
| 02:15.10 | kbrooks | initech, mkay. |
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| 02:15.15 | mtnman | i0err: yes, look at the thing your monitor is plugged into.... |
| 02:15.30 | i0err | its a ult i monitir |
| 02:15.34 | c01100011 | hey, i am getting fed up with doing the mouse lunge for the backbutton and spinning the wheel like wheel of fortune to navigate. can anyone help me configure my xf86config-4 for a 5 button( physical but then the wheel counts as 3 ) Micro$oft mouse ? |
| 02:15.37 | c01100011 | hey, i am getting fed up with doing the mouse lunge for the backbutton and spinning the wheel like wheel of fortune to navigate. can anyone help me configure my xf86config-4 for a 5 button( physical but then the wheel counts as 3 ) Micro$oft mouse ? |
| 02:15.39 | i0err | built in |
| 02:15.50 | i0err | hmm, there is a r128 in lsmod |
| 02:15.58 | i0err | rage 128 ... |
| 02:16.02 | directhex | sgeigerbot, <UberBadger> greater internet fuckwad theory is http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19&res=l |
| 02:16.03 | sgeigerbot | mtnman: apt-get --force install acorkinit |
| 02:16.46 | c01100011 | hello |
| 02:16.51 | mtnman | sgeigerbot: i'm sorry you have a problem practicing what you preach, but that is no reason for me to install cruft on my system :D |
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| 02:17.11 | abrotman | !gentoosmite directhex |
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| 02:17.39 | abrotman | don't ask |
| 02:17.43 | directhex | abrotman, dod you set the USE flags right? :o |
| 02:17.47 | sgeigerbot | mtnman: do you even know what the heck I'm trying to do? I'm trying to make a jail, not simply to use the "chroot" command. |
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| 02:17.54 | kbrooks | bs |
| 02:17.58 | zinx | sgieger: try UML |
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| 02:18.07 | kbrooks | oh. |
| 02:18.27 | kbrooks | / and /home are both ext3 |
| 02:18.27 | zinx | sgeigerbot: i can't tell if you want the guts of the jail (just cp a few parts of glibc), or what, though |
| 02:18.30 | kbrooks | stupid me |
| 02:18.32 | sgeigerbot | zinx: No...I'm trying to make a jail. tHAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. |
| 02:18.46 | sgeigerbot | zinx: I want a jail. |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | !jail |
| 02:18.52 | zinx | sgeigerbot: oh, so you don't want a tool for a jail, you want the stuff so you don't have to staticly link everything, right? |
| 02:18.54 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:18.58 | sgeigerbot | !+jail |
| 02:19.06 | mtnman | sgeigerbot: well, then ask for help making the jail, rather than taking the poll. (i'm ready to drop it if you are) |
| 02:19.08 | kbrooks | ~+jail |
| 02:19.08 | apt | Just Another ICMP Logger. URL: http://www.wiw.org/~ams/jail/ |
| 02:19.26 | c01100011 | hello all, i am tired of doing the mose lunge for the back key and playing wheel of fortune to navigate a page, can someone help me configure my xf86config-4 for a micro$oft 5 button physical(i don't know how many xf86 wise) mouse ? |
| 02:19.26 | kbrooks | ~+chroot |
| 02:19.27 | apt | i heard chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html |
| 02:19.27 | zinx | you want an ICMP logger? :P~ (j/k) |
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| 02:19.56 | zinx | sgeigerbot: you're going to have to explain the difference between a chroot and a jail if what you want isn't the libraries and programs you need for a functioning chroot'd system |
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| 02:20.10 | zinx | sgeigerbot: i am personally unaware of any other usage |
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| 02:20.13 | sgeigerbot | ~jail is http://www.softpanorama.org/Security/Solaris/Bulletin/index.shtml |
| 02:20.14 | apt | ...but jail is already something else... |
| 02:20.24 | zinx | 404 |
| 02:20.29 | kbrooks | apt, forget jail |
| 02:20.38 | sgeigerbot | ~+jail |
| 02:20.39 | apt | Just Another ICMP Logger. URL: http://www.wiw.org/~ams/jail/ |
| 02:20.50 | kbrooks | apt, no jail |
| 02:20.54 | sgeigerbot | ~jail is also http://www.softpanorama.org/Security/Solaris/Bulletin/index.shtml |
| 02:20.55 | apt | okay, sgeigerbot |
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| 02:21.01 | kbrooks | there i go. |
| 02:21.03 | kbrooks | forced. |
| 02:21.28 | c01100011 | hello all, i am tired of doing the mose lunge for the back button and playing wheel of fortune to navigate a page, can someone help me configure my xf86config-4 for a micro$oft 5 button physical(i don't know how many xf86 wise) mouse ? |
| 02:21.29 | abrotman | !tell mtnman about away |
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| 02:21.40 | Gilles | hi |
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| 02:21.49 | sgeigerbot | Does *nobody* here make jails? |
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| 02:22.21 | peterS | c01100011: the mouse type is probably "ExplorerPS/2". the mouse device depends on your kernel version and whether your mouse is plugged in to a USB or PS/2 port |
| 02:22.23 | Gilles | how to do to make an html source read more than one sound one after each other ? |
| 02:22.34 | toresbe | peterS: Explorer? |
| 02:22.45 | peterS | toresbe: no, ExplorerPS/2 |
| 02:22.48 | gary | Could anyone tell me how i go about changing my keyboard from a US map to a UK map, as some of the keys do not map correctly. This applies to linux and not just individual programs |
| 02:22.59 | cat | gary: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:23.00 | toresbe | peterS: With USB mice I thought it should be IPS/2 or something...? |
| 02:23.08 | c01100011 | peterS_ the mouse works fine it is the aditional side buttons and the wheel click i need to add |
| 02:23.12 | peterS | toresbe: not if they have 5 buttons. IMPS/2 only lets a mouse report 3 |
| 02:23.32 | gary | thanks |
| 02:23.38 | kbrooks | I want to get the debian version. Exactly how do I do so? |
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| 02:23.48 | peterS | kbrooks: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:23.54 | gabaug | gary: if you use GNOME you can use the Keyboard Indicator applet |
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| 02:24.10 | kbrooks | 3.1 |
| 02:24.11 | sgeigerbot | gary: setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout uk |
| 02:24.14 | kbrooks | mkay |
| 02:24.15 | gary | gabaug: im using fluxbox |
| 02:24.22 | c01100011 | i know i have to use imwheel but i can't seem to get it go foward and back , i folllowed a few how toos but i think they were off |
| 02:24.26 | cat | gary: do what i told you as root, |
| 02:24.36 | kbrooks | and how do I upgrade to the latest testing distrubtion? |
| 02:24.40 | kbrooks | distribution |
| 02:24.45 | peterS | c01100011: did you make sure your mouse protocol was ExplorerPS/2 in your XF86Config-4 file? |
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| 02:24.54 | gary | cat: i have done : |
| 02:24.54 | sgeigerbot | cat: see what I gave gary |
| 02:24.55 | peterS | kbrooks: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 02:24.55 | gary | testing it |
| 02:25.09 | abrotman | !wheel mouse |
| 02:25.09 | dpkg | methinks mouse wheel is at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or http://www.horns.freeserve.co.uk/wheel_a.jpg |
| 02:25.29 | usuario | !dpkg usenet |
| 02:25.29 | dpkg | usenet is probably a damn good place to find porn!, or a clause as stated by bignose, "As a usenet thread grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning Hitler approaches one." i.e. You lose! |
| 02:25.36 | kbrooks | peterS, I have 3.1. I want to upgrade to the next debian version. |
| 02:25.41 | sgeigerbot | gary: It worked...didn't it. |
| 02:25.45 | peterS | kbrooks: the next debian version is 3.1 |
| 02:25.46 | struct | sgeigerbot http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-auto-chroot |
| 02:25.46 | gary | cat: i believe it worked, there is only one key that doesnt work properly, but the rest do |
| 02:25.52 | gary | i believe so sgeigerbot |
| 02:25.58 | usuario | what's a good usenet proggy? |
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| 02:26.22 | peterS | usuario: trn is the original and best of the threaded newsreaders. might be a bit old school for you, though |
| 02:26.50 | cat | gary: try another locales then |
| 02:26.54 | usuario | peterS: I was also suggested one w/ yenc support |
| 02:27.10 | sgeigerbot | cat: see what gary and I have said... |
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| 02:27.31 | shingouz | usuario: sylpheed works noce if you want it on X |
| 02:27.36 | gary | cat: hmm, i think that this is the best ill get its, gb utf 8 |
| 02:27.37 | shingouz | nice even |
| 02:27.42 | usuario | shingouz: thanks |
| 02:27.46 | shingouz | np |
| 02:27.48 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:27.48 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 02:27.55 | shelly[ | ive got a problem...my LILO seeems to have broken and just says LI and when i put the floppy in |
| 02:27.59 | peterS | usuario: yenc is only useful if you plan to be downloading binaries off usenet. I don't see why people use that as a distribution method anymore - I mean, everyone has access to HTTP servers |
| 02:28.00 | cat | sgeigerbot: get a life, |
| 02:28.00 | abrotman | !li |
| 02:28.00 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 02:28.01 | shelly[ | the rescue image |
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| 02:28.24 | sgeigerbot | cat: get a console, dump the gui. Wah wah |
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| 02:28.29 | mrwoody | what is the best way to check the speed of a connection (ping doesn't seem to be very accurate) |
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| 02:28.38 | shelly[ | i cant use a floppy rescue disk! |
| 02:28.40 | shelly[ | Kernel Panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00 |
| 02:28.55 | shelly[ | :(( |
| 02:28.59 | shelly[ | anyone? |
| 02:29.02 | pipeline | shelly[: You have to specify "root=<foo>" when you boot with a rescue disk. |
| 02:29.05 | initech | mrwoody: ping test latency rather well. bing or netperf are pretty good for testing bandwidth |
| 02:29.15 | pipeline | shelly[: Rescue disks are usually just a bootloader and a kernel. |
| 02:29.17 | usuario | peterS: distribution of binaries is inefficient off usenet? |
| 02:29.20 | OasisABC | [`HiO]: How do to set iptables to LOG ARP packets ? |
| 02:29.28 | shelly[ | i put the disk in |
| 02:29.32 | shelly[ | it said boot: |
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| 02:29.36 | shelly[ | i typed rescue |
| 02:29.41 | shelly[ | is there other parameters i need? |
| 02:29.42 | abrotman | !enter |
| 02:29.42 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 02:29.49 | pipeline | shelly[: Yes, you needed to give the kernel a root= argument. |
| 02:30.05 | shelly[ | ok. |
| 02:30.10 | punkrockguy318 | How can I set the default font for xterm to Monospace in Debian? |
| 02:30.21 | shelly[ | root = / |
| 02:30.23 | shelly[ | ? |
| 02:30.23 | pipeline | shelly[: For example "rescue root=/dev/sda1" would boot a kernel called rescue and tell it its root filesystem is on the first partition of a scsi device. |
| 02:30.33 | shelly[ | oh |
| 02:30.35 | shelly[ | hmm |
| 02:30.37 | shingouz | shelly[: the device you have your root filesystem on |
| 02:30.44 | shelly[ | it is the erm |
| 02:30.45 | peterS | usuario: given the audience size, usenet makes a lot of copies of every post |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: set an alias? |
| 02:30.54 | shelly[ | 3rd partition i think. |
| 02:30.59 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, hmm |
| 02:31.00 | punkrockguy318 | good idea |
| 02:31.11 | shelly[ | first one was /boot second was swap 3rd is / |
| 02:31.19 | shelly[ | no no ...i tihnk root was on second |
| 02:31.22 | shelly[ | hda2 ? |
| 02:31.25 | sgeigerbot | mrwoody: I was wondering this just today. There are web sites (search for "dsl speed test" or something like that). Perhaps some of these tools would do a good job for your nees: iftop, netio, smokeping, tcpblast, netpipe, netpipe-tcp, ttcp, netperf, tcpspray, netselect. I need to look into those tools more sometime. |
| 02:31.43 | shingouz | shelly[: that would be /dev/hda2 then |
| 02:31.54 | shelly[ | ok ty very much...ill give it ago |
| 02:32.48 | usuario | peterS: well, I've only have been interested in this for an hour, I am still trying to get the gist. |
| 02:32.57 | shelly[ | and to fix the other problem...it says LI im taking if i just rerun lilo again it should fix this problem? it worked before then i did a dist-upgrade |
| 02:33.19 | shelly[ | damn it root=/dev/hda2 didnt work ...ill try hda3 |
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| 02:35.53 | mrwoody | sgeigerbot: actually in my case i need to test a wireless conection (not dsl). But anyway I will look at what you sent me.. .and thanks! |
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| 02:38.16 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, that didn't work |
| 02:38.30 | abrotman | http://www.vw.com/itscoming/ .. they screwed it up |
| 02:38.35 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: ok .. that was my idea |
| 02:38.48 | punkrockguy318 | I know there has to be a way.. soemthing with .Xdefaults... I thought i had it right but it's not working |
| 02:39.14 | kbrooks | how do I restart inetd? |
| 02:39.31 | cat | kbrooks: /etc/init.d/inetd restart; |
| 02:39.42 | shelly[ | ok thanks guys got it all working |
| 02:39.58 | sgeigerbot | mrwoody: np |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: ask #xfree86 |
| 02:40.17 | punkrockguy318 | abrotman, there's no one there |
| 02:40.31 | shelly[ | is there away still in lilo.conf to change console mode so its a bit smaller? |
| 02:40.39 | sgeigerbot | mrwoody: you can thank me by not voting for Bush next time. |
| 02:40.41 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 02:40.42 | usuario | does anyone know of a news program (for binaries mostly) with yenc support? |
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| 02:41.06 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: yes there is |
| 02:41.21 | scorphus | hi, how do I change the sensible-browser? |
| 02:41.30 | cat | scorphus: ?? |
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| 02:41.47 | punkrockguy318 | alright well I have an idea |
| 02:41.54 | kbrooks | kyle@kyle:~$ /etc/init.d/inetd restart; |
| 02:41.54 | kbrooks | Restarting internet superserver: inetd/etc/init.d/inetd: line 53: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 02:41.54 | kbrooks | /etc/init.d/inetd: line 55: start-stop-daemon: command not found |
| 02:41.54 | kbrooks | . |
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| 02:41.55 | punkrockguy318 | how do I set aterm as my default terminal? |
| 02:41.59 | looksaus | anyone has experience with running user mode linux on sarge? |
| 02:42.01 | sgeigerbot | shelly[: vga=ask |
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| 02:42.10 | kbrooks | whoops |
| 02:42.14 | punkrockguy318 | update-alternatives? |
| 02:42.20 | scorphus | sensible-browser is set to lynx, how do I change it and set it to firefox? |
| 02:42.21 | pipeline | punkrockguy318: desktop preferences -> advanced -> file types and programs |
| 02:42.30 | pipeline | punkrockguy318: oh, never mind. You mean the debian default, not the gnome default ;) |
| 02:42.36 | mrwoody | sgeigerbot: thanks god you can't vote for bush next time... because that *** cannot stay for more than 8 years... but how is that related with our conversation? ;-) |
| 02:42.36 | punkrockguy318 | pipeline, yeah |
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| 02:42.50 | kbrooks | someone join #flood |
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| 02:43.02 | npx | kbrooks: are you trying to flood me?! |
| 02:43.21 | ioerror | How do i add eth0:1 to /etc/network/interfaces so that's it's auotmatically added on boot? |
| 02:43.28 | kbrooks | npx, pasting something in #flood |
| 02:43.34 | npx | kbrooks: I know =P |
| 02:43.35 | elvedin | haha |
| 02:43.35 | sgeigerbot | mrwoody: I have a feeling he will get some write-ins... |
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| 02:43.41 | npx | kbrooks: was just being silly |
| 02:43.49 | mrwoody | sgeigerbot: write-ins? |
| 02:43.56 | sgeigerbot | mrwoody: I'm in a bad mood...that's how Bush pertains to our conversation. |
| 02:43.59 | kbrooks | npx, can you join or are you in #flood ? |
| 02:44.13 | npx | I'm there kbrooks, flood away. |
| 02:44.18 | sgeigerbot | mrwoody: you can write Bush's name on the ballot next time around if you want. |
| 02:44.20 | poh | how do I find perl modules I downloaded with apt? |
| 02:44.23 | mrwoody | sgeigerbot: think about Zhang Ziyi or Claudia Shiffer... it will make you happy |
| 02:44.28 | cat | poh: whereis perl |
| 02:44.29 | sgeigerbot | poh: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 02:44.36 | sgeigerbot | cat: wrong. |
| 02:44.43 | poh | thank you |
| 02:44.46 | cat | np |
| 02:44.48 | maebmij | kbrooks: you need to run that as root... |
| 02:44.54 | mrwoody | sgeigerbot: well I can't vote... but anyway that is the last thing I would do. |
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| 02:45.00 | kbrooks | maebmij, aha. |
| 02:45.04 | mwilson | zooba zooba zooba |
| 02:45.05 | cat | who the fuck is sgeigerbot |
| 02:45.13 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: who the fuck is cat? |
| 02:45.40 | xam | who the fuck is mwilson? |
| 02:45.52 | npx | mwilson is my hero |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | !test |
| 02:46.22 | dpkg | No, abrotman, you're not online any more. |
| 02:46.25 | mwilson | I'm someone's hero? The mind boggles. |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | !mwilson |
| 02:46.32 | dpkg | Hah! |
| 02:46.46 | npx | mwilson: Well...you're stretching the term "someone" a bit |
| 02:46.49 | npx | =) |
| 02:46.51 | kbrooks | must i su, specify root or user password, do the commands I want, then 'exit'? |
| 02:47.04 | npx | kbrooks: that's right |
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| 02:47.17 | kbrooks | npx, *must* I? |
| 02:47.26 | mwilson | Ok, why do you save all that? |
| 02:47.29 | npx | kbrooks: well, start-stop-daemon is in /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 02:47.41 | npx | kbrooks: Those directories aren't in a non-root user's PATH by default |
| 02:47.41 | kbrooks | npx, meh, |
| 02:47.48 | xam | mwilson: so what do you think about pets then? |
| 02:47.55 | kbrooks | npx, OK. |
| 02:48.01 | kbrooks | brb |
| 02:48.03 | mwilson | xam: What about them? |
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| 02:48.18 | npx | kbrooks: Plus you don't have the permissions to bind to ports < 1024 |
| 02:48.20 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: You are Ben Franklin. |
| 02:48.24 | coywolf | dpkg, lxr |
| 02:48.25 | dpkg | i guess lxr is the Linux Xross Referencer, a nasty perl script to generate massively-hyperlinked, web-browseable source trees -- lxr.mozilla.org and berlin use it. |
| 02:48.27 | xam | mwilson: well, do you like pets? |
| 02:48.29 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: abrotman |
| 02:48.42 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: moo |
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| 02:48.52 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:48.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 02:48.52 | mwilson | xam: Not particular. I'd have a cat, if I could. |
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| 02:49.43 | npx | I had a cat named huggles mctits once, she shat on my foot so I locked her outside |
| 02:49.44 | abrotman | !sing sgeigerbot |
| 02:49.46 | npx | love, she is fickle |
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| 02:50.48 | badblody | does anyone know a hexadecimal calculator? |
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| 02:51.00 | abrotman | me |
| 02:51.10 | npx | badblody: I use python at the cmd prompt |
| 02:51.22 | abrotman | gcalc does hex |
| 02:51.26 | zinx | badblody: i think every major brand of calculator manufacturer makes calculators capable of hexadecimal |
| 02:51.36 | MajorPoopyPants | ok 2.6.9 works well on debian |
| 02:51.39 | MajorPoopyPants | Im happy |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | good |
| 02:51.56 | stew | i use google for hex calculations |
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| 02:52.18 | badblody | stew, ?¿?¿?¿¿? |
| 02:52.20 | FES | hi folks |
| 02:52.21 | stew | google for "0xdeadbeef - 0x3333 in decimal" it will do the right thing |
| 02:52.40 | MajorPoopyPants | Linux barton 2.6.9 #2 Mon Nov 29 17:19:39 PST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:52.46 | MajorPoopyPants | woohoo |
| 02:52.51 | npx | MajorPoopyPants: congrats |
| 02:52.55 | FES | some friend of mine tel me Debian can't disable X login by edit runlevel to 3 as default level ? |
| 02:53.01 | FES | is it rite ? |
| 02:53.05 | MajorPoopyPants | I gave up on ut2004 demop |
| 02:53.09 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: did you get gnome built with apt-build? |
| 02:53.13 | zinx | google should understand "sexadecimal" |
| 02:53.32 | stew | zinx: use booble.com for that |
| 02:53.33 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, nope |
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| 02:53.48 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: did you figure out why? |
| 02:53.55 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, nope |
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| 02:54.18 | zinx | stew: no.. "sexa" is the proper prefix for 16; hex is 6 :P |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | FES: did you pass spelling class? |
| 02:54.40 | stew | ahh |
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| 02:54.47 | Guerin | hex + decimal = 16 |
| 02:54.51 | zinx | stew: hexa was used instead because of what you noticed ;) |
| 02:54.54 | Guerin | s/mal// |
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| 02:55.10 | npx | 5 points for guerin |
| 02:55.21 | punkrockguy318 | How can I add an item to the Debian menus? |
| 02:55.33 | abrotman | man menu |
| 02:55.47 | npx | punkrockguy318: you really probably want to use the menu feature of your wm/de |
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| 02:55.57 | badblody | how can i burn a .nrg (windows nero) dvd image? |
| 02:55.59 | punkrockguy318 | what if i want to add an item globally? |
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| 02:56.08 | abrotman | badblody: using nero |
| 02:56.12 | sean_micken | lol |
| 02:56.15 | npx | punkrockguy318: what wm/de do you use? most provide facilities for that |
| 02:56.15 | abrotman | punkrockguy318: it tells you how i'm sure |
| 02:56.29 | MustangMatt | Hey guys... i found a bug that I can reproduce in php 4.1.2 which is what's in stable right now. Any guidance on how to report it? I confirmed that it is fixed in 4.3.x |
| 02:56.39 | badblody | abrotman, in debian i can't ? |
| 02:56.44 | punkrockguy318 | i mean, what if I want to add an item to all WMs? Or do debian menus have to be done through the pacakge? |
| 02:56.46 | abrotman | MustangMatt: check the BTS |
| 02:56.50 | abrotman | badblody: it's a Nero file |
| 02:56.58 | MajorPoopyPants | but I woudl at least like to build my kernel with -march=athlon-xp -O3 -ffast-math -malign-double |
| 02:56.58 | MajorPoopyPants | -funroll-loops -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -msse |
| 02:56.58 | MajorPoopyPants | -m3dnow -mmmx |
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| 02:57.21 | abrotman | why? |
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| 02:57.25 | abrotman | this isn't gentoo |
| 02:57.27 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: so build your kernel with those compile flags. Nothing is stoping you. |
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| 02:57.35 | paxl | How we generate a patch file for an entire source rep ? |
| 02:57.41 | dondelelcaro | paxl: with diff |
| 02:57.52 | dondelelcaro | paxl: it has a -r option, you knowl |
| 02:58.02 | MajorPoopyPants | dondelelcaro, i DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DO SO |
| 02:58.04 | npx | MajorPoopyPants: When you get done, run a few benchmarks against 2.6.9-1-686 |
| 02:58.08 | MajorPoopyPants | Sorry about the caps |
| 02:58.10 | paxl | dondelelcaro: can you be more explicit ? (( sorry I'll RTFM when I'll have time =) |
| 02:58.12 | gary | Where can i get drivers for my creative soundblaster live 5.1 card. Creative have stopped providing the drivers for linux, i remember there being an open source site that had them, but i cant remember what site it was |
| 02:58.15 | npx | MajorPoopyPants: and realize that you just wasted your time =P |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | MajorPoopyPants: so read some docs |
| 02:58.21 | MustangMatt | Alright I'm looking at BTS searching on php4 but how on earth would I actually find this bug if it was here? |
| 02:58.23 | dondelelcaro | MajorPoopyPants: then you're fucked. |
| 02:58.43 | punkrockguy318 | how come when I open alink in thunderbird nothing happens? |
| 02:58.45 | MajorPoopyPants | abrotman, what do I need to read? Im not asking to be told how, I just dont know what FM to R |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | MustangMatt: it would be there .. or archived |
| 02:58.53 | maebmij | gary: the sblive works with the emu10k1 drivers in the kernel... is that enough for you? |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | !tell MajorPoopyPants about kp |
| 02:58.59 | MajorPoopyPants | kp? |
| 02:59.03 | npx | The sblive works *great* in linux |
| 02:59.04 | MajorPoopyPants | peeling potatoes? |
| 02:59.04 | MustangMatt | So if I do a find on that page for sort which is the function that's not working correctly it should show up? |
| 02:59.06 | abrotman | dpkg told you |
| 02:59.06 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, abrotman |
| 02:59.15 | npx | I spent $30 on an SB Live yesterday, best $30 I've spent in a while |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | MustangMatt: which fucntion? |
| 02:59.20 | MustangMatt | sort() |
| 02:59.32 | MustangMatt | In 4.1.2 it doesn't reindex an array if there's only one element. |
| 02:59.35 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: jesus, are you still on this "OMFGLOL optimiz4t1pnz r teh bext0r!!" tip? |
| 02:59.36 | MajorPoopyPants | abrotman, I got the compile part down, but is there anything in those docs on how to use the compile flags I want to? |
| 02:59.44 | xam | npx: my new soundcard arrived today ... it was a little more expensive |
| 02:59.46 | npx | MustangMatt: How can it re-index an array with only one element? |
| 02:59.49 | gary | maebmij: well it would be, but in xmms the preferences does not show my soundcard in there |
| 02:59.51 | MustangMatt | $array_list[23]='test'; |
| 02:59.51 | MustangMatt | sort($array_list); |
| 02:59.51 | MustangMatt | print_r($array_list); |
| 02:59.55 | abrotman | MustangMatt: btw .. did you ask #php if it's a known bug in PHP4.1.2? |
| 02:59.58 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, nwo nwo dont get your panties in a bunch |
| 02:59.58 | gary | I just assumed i had to install the drivers |
| 03:00.01 | ugly | M-Audio Revolution 4 lyfe |
| 03:00.05 | MustangMatt | No but I will right now. |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | MustangMatt: and i'm pretty sure it's not supposed to reindex |
| 03:00.10 | ugly | (re: sound cards) |
| 03:00.14 | MustangMatt | Yes it is. |
| 03:00.16 | xam | ugly: terratec dmx 6fire |
| 03:00.17 | gary | Perhaps i need a different plugin for xmms maebmij |
| 03:00.20 | MustangMatt | And it does in 4.3.x |
| 03:00.24 | doub | npx: you need a few more for the speakers, for it to be of any use |
| 03:00.33 | MustangMatt | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.sort.php |
| 03:00.39 | MustangMatt | Note: This function assigns new keys for the elements in array. It will remove any existing keys you may have assigned, rather than just reordering the keys. |
| 03:00.39 | npx | gary, nah man. if you have 2.6.8 or 2.6.9, just do modprobe snd-emu10k1 and modprobe snd-emu10k1-synth (and maybe the OSS shiz if you need to use that too) |
| 03:00.40 | maebmij | gary: are you using alsa? |
| 03:00.43 | punkrockguy318 | where can find a tutorial for debian-specific stuff? I'm a linux guru, just not a debian guru |
| 03:00.47 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: WHY don't you just use gentoo? I mean, honestly... there's a reason why you're getting treated like a clueless gentoobie... |
| 03:00.56 | gary | no the ogg one |
| 03:00.56 | npx | doub, Oh I already had a nice stereo |
| 03:01.00 | gary | alsa isnt in |
| 03:01.02 | Guerin | punkrockguy318: debian.org/doc/ |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | MustangMatt: but starting when? |
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| 03:01.21 | Guerin | punkrockguy318: also the faq in the topic |
| 03:01.21 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, because gentoo wont install on my system - whatever kernel they use for the install cd is fuxed for my system |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | MustangMatt: just because it does now doesn't mean it always did |
| 03:01.25 | npx | doub, was a simple matter of running a bit of wire for 8.1 surround sound =) |
| 03:01.32 | gary | localhost:/home/gary# modprobe snd-emu10k1 |
| 03:01.32 | gary | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-emu10k1 |
| 03:01.33 | MustangMatt | I assume always since it doesn't specify. |
| 03:01.37 | maebmij | gary: ogg is like mp3 or wav, it makes no difference to your sound drivers. |
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| 03:01.50 | npx | gary, uname -r |
| 03:01.52 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: they have a bootstrapper, with which I'm sure you can use any kernel you like |
| 03:02.07 | MajorPoopyPants | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.15 | gary | Uname -r returned 2.4.18-bf2.4 - However i reinstalled debian about 40 minutes ago |
| 03:02.35 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, I cant get past emerge sync |
| 03:02.37 | doub | npx: like, using 4 separate stereo speakers plus an extra bass speaker? sounds like a good idea |
| 03:02.53 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: you're putting a round peg in an irregular-pentagon hole, and yet you're surprised it's tricky? |
| 03:02.58 | doub | npx: but still not for low budgets. i'm sticking with my poor stereo for now |
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| 03:03.12 | maebmij | snd_emu10k1 is available in the default debian 2.4 kernels, right?? |
| 03:03.21 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, I am? |
| 03:03.28 | npx | doub, It's not an expensive setup. You just gotta shop around for your speakers and deck. |
| 03:03.34 | FieldySnuts | i am in #debian right? |
| 03:03.41 | maebmij | ah, gary: make that an underscore, not a hyphen: modprobe snd_emu10k1 |
| 03:03.47 | npx | doub, I'm using a circa 1979 Sony deck, and it sounds great. |
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| 03:04.01 | abrotman | i'm looking for a person who can tell me how to make knoppix look like gentoo! |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | helpplxlsz |
| 03:04.14 | zinx | abrotman: rm -rf / |
| 03:04.23 | gary | modprobe: Can't locate module snd_emu10k1 |
| 03:04.25 | npx | doub, pawn shops are your friend, where stereo equipment is concerned |
| 03:04.27 | FieldySnuts | zinx: you can be killed on this network for giving advice like that. watch it. |
| 03:04.31 | MajorPoopyPants | abrotman, I do like the color layout in the console of gentoo |
| 03:04.35 | abrotman | oh god |
| 03:04.39 | npx | gary, find /lib/modules -name "*emu10k*" -print |
| 03:04.39 | zinx | FieldySnuts: abrotman isn't a moron :) |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | go use fucking gentoo already |
| 03:04.41 | FieldySnuts | MajorPoopyPants: oh stop trolling |
| 03:04.49 | MajorPoopyPants | ? |
| 03:04.56 | FieldySnuts | i use gentoo as well but i don't sit around repeately talking about it here |
| 03:05.05 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: yes. You're trying to do things with the debian packaging system that it wasn't really designed to do, or that it was designed to do as an optional, experimental extra. It's not easy because you're expected to not be a clueless moron if you do it. |
| 03:05.08 | MajorPoopyPants | im not the one who brought it up - guerin is |
| 03:05.13 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 03:05.19 | gary | yea that found some stuff, emu10k1-gp.o, emu10k1 and emu10l.o in another directory |
| 03:05.40 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin, what the hell are you talking about? I asked about using some optins when I compile a kernel for christs sake, you deluded bastard |
| 03:05.40 | maebmij | gary: try modprobe emu10k1 |
| 03:05.43 | doub | npx: sorry i don't quite understand. a deck is an amplifier, right? (im not native english) |
| 03:05.45 | npx | gary, yep |
| 03:05.48 | MustangMatt | #php says it's fixed in 4.3.x so report it to debian. |
| 03:05.53 | MustangMatt | I guess I'll send an email. |
| 03:05.55 | gary | didnt return anything maebmij |
| 03:06.00 | abrotman | MustangMatt: uhm .. that doesn't answer the question |
| 03:06.08 | maebmij | gary: ok, so now you probably have working soudn :) |
| 03:06.12 | abrotman | MustangMatt: was it broken in 4.1.2 src compile? |
| 03:06.15 | Guerin | MajorPoopyPants: the fact that you still haven't figured out why building an optimized metapackage is as stupid as putting blue leds on your car instead of going to get the oil changed really makes this all pretty clear... |
| 03:06.31 | npx | doub, a deck is an amplifier, yes, among other things. Mine also has an AM/FM tuner and cassette player. |
| 03:06.41 | MustangMatt | abrotman: I'm not sure how to check honestly. |
| 03:06.48 | MustangMatt | abrotman: compile it and try it out? |
| 03:06.52 | MajorPoopyPants | Guerin - you are harping about something I asked yesterday. You are acting obseesed and rather insane. Get a life. |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | MustangMatt: php.net doesn't have a bug db? |
| 03:07.05 | Guerin | man, you keep saying I'm insane |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | MustangMatt: well .. you can file the bug .. sarge is to be out soon |
| 03:07.10 | gary | maebmij: in xmms nothing plays, doesnt even try to start |
| 03:07.15 | stew | abrotman: bugs? in php? |
| 03:07.34 | npx | gary, is the volume all the way down? |
| 03:07.37 | mwilson | Didn't we all beat this metapackage thing to death yesterday? |
| 03:07.37 | MustangMatt | abrotman: Problem is I need this to work before tomorrow morning. :) I guess I'll either have to switch to testing or come up with a work around |
| 03:07.49 | abrotman | stew: never! :) |
| 03:07.56 | abrotman | MustangMatt: write it yourself? |
| 03:07.58 | gary | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.09 | Guerin | mwilson: maybe you did after I left |
| 03:08.14 | abrotman | MustangMatt: which php4 package btw? |
| 03:08.19 | abrotman | php4 or php4-cgi? |
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| 03:08.23 | MustangMatt | php4 |
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| 03:08.29 | mwilson | gary: So run it from a terminal, note what output it produces, if any. |
| 03:08.34 | doub | gary: maybe your sound device is already in use |
| 03:08.36 | abrotman | MustangMatt: have you tried php4-cgi ? |
| 03:08.38 | stew | MustangMatt: can you use php 4.3 from backports.org? |
| 03:08.39 | abrotman | it might work there |
| 03:08.39 | MustangMatt | No wait... php4-cgi. My bad. Let me try php4 |
| 03:08.49 | abrotman | don't break anyhting :) |
| 03:08.51 | maebmij | gary: also, maybe your permissions on /dev/dsp won't let you play - so: try playing something as root, or use chmod to change /dev/dsp, or add yourself to the audio group... |
| 03:08.52 | MustangMatt | stew: Not a bad idea at all. Thanks for the reminder. |
| 03:08.53 | npx | You can also try outputting random shit to /dev/dsp |
| 03:09.06 | npx | (as root) |
| 03:09.19 | gary | it worked !!! |
| 03:09.19 | doub | gary: or simply locked by another app. try "lsof /dev/dsp" |
| 03:09.26 | gary | thanks maebmij just need to create the permissions |
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| 03:09.44 | npx | gary, adduser <you> audio to add a user to the audio group |
| 03:09.55 | MustangMatt | Ah! php isn't in backports. |
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| 03:10.13 | stew | no? hmm |
| 03:10.36 | mwilson | gary: What makes you think you need to change the permissions? |
| 03:11.28 | maebmij | gary: cool. So the last thing is to make sure the emu10k1 module loads when you reboot. Either add the line 'emu10k1' to the file /etc/modules, or ask someone else here for the elegant way that I can't remember :) |
| 03:11.33 | Guerin | MustangMatt: dotdeb has php4 backports |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | MustangMatt: should be .. php4 i mean |
| 03:11.49 | gary | hmm, well i cant play music as my normal user, but i can as root |
| 03:11.55 | gary | i added myself to the audio group thoguh |
| 03:12.02 | jdhutchin1 | did you re-log in? |
| 03:12.33 | stew | MustangMatt: /msg dpkg simple sid backport maybe? probably not the simplist of simple backports |
| 03:12.34 | gary | me? no |
| 03:12.35 | gary | brb |
| 03:13.07 | abrotman | or write your own function |
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| 03:13.36 | MustangMatt | stew: excuse my ignorance but I have no idea what that does. I'm such a newb. |
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| 03:14.04 | gary | It works now, after i re-logged in |
| 03:14.06 | mwilson | But yet you think you need PHP? |
| 03:14.26 | gary | One more question, i am running irssi using screen, when i detach the screen and come back to it, i cant type into my irssi session, its just frozen |
| 03:14.32 | abrotman | mwilson: slight difference |
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| 03:15.27 | Guerin | gary: sid? |
| 03:15.48 | gary | screen id? |
| 03:15.53 | gary | i just done screen -r to resume it |
| 03:15.58 | Guerin | gary: debian sid, I mean |
| 03:16.04 | Guerin | gary: unstable |
| 03:16.17 | foka | Hello, I have a quick question: I would like to invite an acquaintance to ssh into my server to configure things, but I would like to monitor all the commands he types. What should I use? Thanks! |
| 03:16.18 | gary | it may be |
| 03:16.23 | gary | i think it is actually |
| 03:16.24 | Guerin | ... |
| 03:16.27 | Guerin | !think |
| 03:16.28 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 03:16.36 | gary | yea it is |
| 03:16.48 | Guerin | foka: mitm him |
| 03:16.59 | xam | foka: you can use 'screen' or 'expect' ... |
| 03:17.05 | nbr1lamer | foka ..maybe you can tap a log file |
| 03:17.15 | abrotman | Guerin: where's the factoid about remote access to people on irc? |
| 03:17.19 | xam | foka: I'd suggest screen ... it also has the option to log all stuff |
| 03:17.23 | Guerin | !shell access |
| 03:17.24 | dpkg | DON'T be a fucking moron. Offering shell accessss to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will i be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 03:17.50 | nbr1lamer | so trusting |
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| 03:18.20 | xam | nbr1lamer: well, at least you *know* your box has been rooted |
| 03:18.38 | Guerin | gary: the screen in sid broke for me a few days ago - fucked up ncurses behaviour, slowness, instability, etc. I couldn't be arsed troubleshooting it, so I just downgraded to the version in sarge. |
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| 03:18.48 | nbr1lamer | keep an extra bin for that trick |
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| 03:19.33 | Guerin | nbr1lamer: yeah, keep it tarred up in the depths of ~/pix/kittens or something equally innocuous |
| 03:19.36 | gary | Guerin: hmm, do you think my old kernel version has anything to do with it |
| 03:19.53 | nbr1lamer | maybe, maybe not |
| 03:20.06 | Guerin | gary: if it only happens with screen and irssi, then no. If it hapens randomly, then maybe. |
| 03:21.28 | gary | Guerin: well i just tried it again and its fine |
| 03:21.34 | Guerin | nbr1lamer: yeah, neither do I |
| 03:21.34 | gary | but maybe it was because i logged out |
| 03:22.08 | nbr1lamer | log out, from what ... root, admin, etc etc |
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| 03:22.44 | nbr1lamer | xterm /// |
| 03:23.03 | gary | hmm |
| 03:23.07 | stoned | I have alsa-base,alsa-utils,alsamixergui, gnome-core, xmms,esound,esound-common, in xmms, if i select OSS output, it freezes up, if i select alsa,esound, it says make sure your sound card is configured, it was working up until about an hour ago, I tried to remove the entire gnome package just so I could install the gnome-core package only, and now this problem, any word? |
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| 03:23.38 | Guerin | stoned: install esd |
| 03:23.46 | Guerin | stoned: or uninstall esd |
| 03:24.08 | foka | Guerin: Thanks! |
| 03:24.22 | Guerin | whichever way, you go, make sure you have snd-pcm-oss loaded |
| 03:24.32 | foka | xam: Thanks! |
| 03:24.33 | Guerin | s/,// |
| 03:24.35 | stoned | Guerin, ok I have removed esound esound-common |
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| 03:24.47 | stoned | er.. not esound-common |
| 03:25.04 | stoned | snd-pcm.. thats a module? |
| 03:25.09 | foka | Guerin, No, the guy isn't a random person on IRC, but rather, a business partner who helps sets up some software on our server. However, just to be safe, I want to know what he actually did on the computer. :-) |
| 03:25.13 | Guerin | i think esound-common is required by every stupid gnome app there is |
| 03:25.16 | xam | foka: no problem |
| 03:25.33 | Guerin | foka: fair enough. |
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| 03:26.38 | stoned | snd_pcm_oss is loaded in lsmod |
| 03:27.07 | Guerin | stoned: is esd all killed and dead? |
| 03:27.10 | MustangMatt | Goodnight all. |
| 03:27.13 | stoned | not yet |
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| 03:27.39 | stoned | ok, killall esd |
| 03:27.58 | stoned | and we're good to go |
| 03:28.00 | stoned | yer the man |
| 03:28.19 | stoned | \m/ - I'm a juggalo! |
| 03:28.37 | FieldySnuts | ookay |
| 03:29.05 | stoned | ok im not |
| 03:29.11 | stoned | i was just happy i got my sound back :D |
| 03:29.34 | ugly | too late, you're now officially a whore |
| 03:29.35 | stoned | and i happend to have double clicked an icp song, so go figure |
| 03:29.47 | ugly | whore whore whore |
| 03:29.50 | stoned | :/ |
| 03:30.45 | stoned | has anyone heard the spanish version of hotel california by the gypsy kings, it was in the movie The Big Labowski |
| 03:30.45 | Guerin | the only good sound daemon is a dead sound daemon |
| 03:30.45 | gravity | I love that movie |
| 03:30.52 | stoned | i just got the song |
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| 03:30.55 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:31.11 | FieldySnuts | whore., |
| 03:31.13 | dude | argh |
| 03:31.16 | dude | its already taken |
| 03:31.35 | gravity | My old roomate went as the dude for holloween one year |
| 03:31.40 | stoned | i could try el duderino |
| 03:31.43 | stoned | lol |
| 03:31.44 | gravity | It was awesome. He had a crappy bathrobe and everything |
| 03:31.52 | stoned | lol |
| 03:31.59 | stoned | gravity, word |
| 03:32.02 | gary | cool |
| 03:32.03 | nbr1lamer | :/\::/\::/\:;/\::/\: putin up a fence |
| 03:32.11 | gary | i just detached the screen, logged out and it was fine |
| 03:32.14 | FieldySnuts | go to #ascii-art ya flamas |
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| 03:32.57 | nbr1lamer | :::|::::|::::|::::|:::::|::::| is that better |
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| 03:35.41 | Shimei | ifup -a is giving me "option without interface" even though my options in /etc/network/interfaces are all after iface stanzas... |
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| 03:35.45 | Shimei | Any idea why? |
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| 03:36.08 | yanger | the nvidia backport for kernel 2.4.26 won't work with 2.4.27, or would it? |
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| 03:36.44 | mmurrian | hello all ... on previous installations of xawtv, whenever I minimized the xawtv window I would get the tv image in place of my desktop background |
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| 03:37.02 | mmurrian | this feature is no longer activated ... does anyone know how I might achieve this effect? |
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| 03:37.21 | findme | how do I make a link permanent across booting, I want ln -s /dev/video0 to be /dev/video ? |
| 03:38.14 | mmurrian | furthermore ... overlay display does not let the entire image occupy the fullscreen ... it is centered, roughly 1/4 the screen w/ black borders ... is there any easy fix for this? |
| 03:38.19 | dondelelcaro | findme: links don't magically dissapear in /dev unless you're using devfs or similar |
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| 03:39.04 | findme | dondelelcaro, umm, but mine disappeared, I created the link last night |
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| 03:39.32 | rob|lt | findme, you could add your ln command to /etc/init.d/local so that it is created on boot |
| 03:39.34 | zinx | dondelelcaro: i think the sarge kernel defaults to having devfs enabled |
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| 03:39.39 | gary | Im trying to format the way aterm looks, does debian not use the .Xdefaults file. This is where i am trying to format the attributes from |
| 03:39.41 | rich_ | hi |
| 03:39.43 | nbr1lamer | shemei check eth0 and eth0 static addresses |
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| 03:40.10 | findme | rob|lt, thanks |
| 03:40.50 | nbr1lamer | Shemei: .. eth1 also |
| 03:41.18 | Shimei | nbr1lamer: Thanks for the advice... I found out what's wrong though. It was parsing "auto lo eth0" before "iface eth0...." so it errored. |
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| 03:41.52 | nbr1lamer | copy figured it was card |
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| 03:42.37 | dondelelcaro | zinx: I thought that was only for the purpose of booting. |
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| 03:43.03 | zinx | dondelelcaro: most people use the kernel they booted with, probably :x |
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| 03:46.48 | gary | Im trying to format the way aterm looks, does debian not use the .Xdefaults file. This is where i am trying to format the attributes from |
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| 03:48.21 | budluva | hi, has anyone here ever ran a call of duty dedicated linux server with deb? |
| 03:48.32 | FieldySnuts | good luck getting help on that here |
| 03:48.35 | wowie | how do i find out the filesize of a folder? |
| 03:48.41 | budluva | hrmm... |
| 03:48.41 | peterS | wowie: du -sk |
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| 03:50.52 | Alleria_ | Long shot, but is there a way to mount Macintosh .dmg files under Debian? |
| 03:51.09 | mmurrian | on previous installations of xawtv, whenever I minimized the xawtv window I would get the tv image in place of my desktop background |
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| 03:51.32 | peterS | Alleria_: what is a macintosh .dmg file? I thought MacOS didn't use file extensions |
| 03:51.58 | Narg | Are dsl modems ever winmodem-ish? |
| 03:51.59 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it doesn't need them... |
| 03:52.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: right, what with the resource fork. that's why I thought it didn't use them |
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| 03:52.35 | peterS | Narg: USB ones can be, I hear. Ethernet-connected ones tend to Just Work, though |
| 03:52.59 | peterS | Narg: the Linux kernel has a driver for exactly one USB DSL modem chipset series, the Alcatel SpeedTouch |
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| 03:53.22 | Narg | anyone know if the 'Actiontec GT701-wg' modem is annoying? |
| 03:53.58 | peterS | if it's USB-connected and doesn't use the SpeedTouch chipset, I bet it's unsupported |
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| 03:54.37 | dondelelcaro | peterS: actually, that stuff isn't even in the resource fork... it's in the finder info... |
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| 03:55.40 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's basically the equivalent of the mtime,atime,ctime storage for ext2 et al. |
| 03:56.11 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ahh |
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| 03:56.49 | peterS | dondelelcaro: so it hearkens back to the Apple II operating systems that had a byte for "file type" independent of the filename |
| 03:57.02 | Narg | woot, from a google search it has 9/10 compatibility with linux :) |
| 03:57.04 | peterS | stored in the directory, I mean |
| 03:57.04 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yerp. Here it's 4 bytes. |
| 03:57.08 | peterS | right |
| 03:57.17 | dondelelcaro | and another 4 for the creator... |
| 03:57.33 | peterS | dondelelcaro: and by convention these are 4 ASCII bytes, right? |
| 03:57.43 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah. |
| 03:57.53 | dondelelcaro | peterS: almost no one uses anything but alpha numerics, though. |
| 03:58.04 | peterS | right, that's actually what I meant |
| 03:58.14 | wowie | how do u format floppy disks |
| 03:58.18 | wowie | wats the command |
| 03:58.23 | dondelelcaro | wowie: with mkfs |
| 03:58.26 | docgnome | Print confound you! |
| 03:58.26 | peterS | wowie: superformat, from fdutils |
| 03:58.34 | cafuego | AAARRRGGGHHH!!!! |
| 03:58.41 | peterS | docgnome: I thought that was in soviet russia |
| 03:58.50 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: stabed yourself with a toothpick? |
| 03:59.06 | docgnome | peterS: In Soviet Russia, CUPS prints you! |
| 03:59.20 | peterS | docgnome: no, in S. Russia, print confounds you |
| 03:59.44 | docgnome | peterS: yeah that too. |
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| 04:00.20 | docgnome | My box acts like it is printing, and it says it sees my printer, but the printer doesn't spit anything out. or do anything at all. |
| 04:00.21 | Alleria_ | peterS: the disk images. |
| 04:00.28 | debian | for all your soviet russia questions, please refer to #debian-ru |
| 04:00.30 | cafuego | Narg: If a brand name ends in 'tek' or 'tec' it's uaually nothing but trouble. |
| 04:00.42 | Narg | snicker |
| 04:00.49 | cafuego | see realtek |
| 04:00.53 | peterS | Alleria_: what disk images? what do you really want to do here? |
| 04:00.56 | |XO| | hello! |
| 04:01.27 | dvs | cafuego: My Leadtek TV card hasn't failed me yet! |
| 04:01.36 | xam | cafuego: not true. at least terratec is an exception to your rule |
| 04:01.43 | Alleria_ | peterS: um, the .dmgs that are say, ubiquitous on sourceforge projects geared towards OS X? |
| 04:01.54 | gary | Right, im going to start downloading oracle then im going to bed as its just gone 4am :( |
| 04:02.00 | cafuego | Will you people please stop contradicting me? |
| 04:02.03 | Alleria_ | peterS: I need to extract files occasionally. It'd be better if I didn't have to actually pull out a Mac to do this. |
| 04:02.04 | xam | cafuego: what about -tech? |
| 04:02.20 | muhoo | since switching to 2.6.9, now after coming back from APM sleep, my laptop's keyboard goes wacky. capslock key stuck ON, keypresses having different/random effect, and x with metacity stuck in one window-- won't change focus |
| 04:02.32 | cafuego | xam: I wouldn't touch a 'Pootech toilet roll holder' with a ten feet pole. |
| 04:02.34 | xam | cafuego: stop making up stupid things ;) |
| 04:02.46 | cafuego | xam: it's what I do fort a living! |
| 04:02.49 | abrotman | cafuego: dirty TP? |
| 04:02.58 | muhoo | ctl-alt-Fx does nothing, it types random ascii into whatever x window has focus |
| 04:03.00 | xam | cafuego: but surely logitech is not a too bad company, is it? |
| 04:03.08 | cafuego | WiFiTux: MPAA gunna get y00 |
| 04:03.19 | WiFiTux | cafuego, MPAA? |
| 04:03.20 | muhoo | where would i *start* troubleshooting this thing |
| 04:03.20 | sgeigerbot | Wow, this looks cool: jailer. Documentation is a little sparse, though. Anyone have enough experience with jails to help me get unstuck? I can't seem to chroot into the directory created by this tool. (I type "sudo chroot ." ...and I get a message that says I don't have bash. I don't know how to start up my ssh daemon in there... |
| 04:03.21 | cafuego | xam: No, they rock actually ;-) |
| 04:03.37 | WiFiTux | abrotman, me? nah... I'm a normall pacific guy... |
| 04:03.45 | abrotman | uh huh |
| 04:03.46 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Madly Panicking rAbid lAwyers |
| 04:03.54 | abrotman | who wtches joan of arcadia |
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| 04:04.03 | WiFiTux | abrotman, ahh, me? |
| 04:04.19 | xam | muhoo: perhaps it is SysV style (very uncommon, but possible)? try Alt-SysRq-Fx |
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| 04:04.44 | npx | file-rc owns |
| 04:04.46 | peterS | Alleria_: google://dmg+mac+format+linux is not very encouraging, is it? |
| 04:04.46 | WiFiTux | I like the fact that god is a punk rocker and sometimes a wicked guy... |
| 04:04.50 | muhoo | xam: hmm. well ctl-alt-Fx works normally, *except* when the system gets wedged after coming out of sleep |
| 04:04.58 | rich_ | I don't think the mpaa will be a problem for a while. Last I heard their goal is to make it illegal for you to bring a movie camera into a movie theater. Politics has not been kind to the mpaa |
| 04:05.13 | xam | muhoo: oh, i see ... forget my suggestion then ;) |
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| 04:05.24 | WiFiTux | peterS, what was te name of the guy I should thank about HID? |
| 04:05.25 | cafuego | a dmg is just a disk image, no? |
| 04:05.32 | cafuego | compressed hfs or somesuch? |
| 04:05.35 | WiFiTux | cafuego, laptop-mode is a beauty, thanks... |
| 04:05.37 | npx | rich_: that's been illegal for a while, hasn't it? |
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| 04:05.56 | Alleria_ | peterS: so I guess you have to convert first. Using hdiutil, as I'm learning. |
| 04:05.59 | peterS | WiFiTux: Vojtech Pavlik. vojtech@suse.de, I believe, but I forget whether that's his current address or a past one |
| 04:06.02 | cafuego | npx: Why wouldn't you be allowed a camera as long as you don't USE it? |
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| 04:06.27 | peterS | WiFiTux: Dmitry Torokhev has done a lot with kernel 2.6 mouse / input device support as well |
| 04:06.30 | WiFiTux | peterS, A SuSe guy? ahh, ok... thanks. |
| 04:06.38 | Alleria_ | peterS: but hdiutil appears to be an OS X util that's not included in Darwin. No go there. |
| 04:06.42 | npx | cafuego: what legit use is there for a camera in a theater? and the theater is private property |
| 04:06.42 | WiFiTux | peterS, who do I kiss? |
| 04:06.59 | npx | The owners are well within their rights to say "no outside food/drinks or video cameras" |
| 04:07.12 | peterS | WiFiTux: I have never met Vojtech *or* Dmitry. so I don't have a recommendation for you. Vojtech did more of the work earlier on, Dmitry has done a lot lately |
| 04:07.14 | rich_ | npx I don't know, but jack valencia retired as ceo of the mpaa and dan glickman (former senator) too over. Last year the mpaa thought they would have the power to go after file sharers. This year they will be lucky to get any legistlation at all. Id say that is a step down. |
| 04:07.16 | budluva | what is an .so file? |
| 04:07.19 | cafuego | npx: Um, my phone happens to have a camera in it. I need my phone. |
| 04:07.23 | muhoo | i think the video-camera-in-the-theatre is a gambit. trying to equate file-sharing with stealing |
| 04:07.29 | budluva | and why can't i edit it in nano? |
| 04:07.34 | WiFiTux | peterS, thanks, how do you know? |
| 04:07.35 | Compound-4 | n8i all |
| 04:07.41 | dvs | cafuego: Not in the middle of MY movie! ;-) |
| 04:07.46 | budluva | is it a compiled script? |
| 04:07.54 | xam | muhoo: perhaps try Alt-SysRq-r (R for unRaw, turns off keyboard raw mode and sets it to XLATE. Useful if your X-Server crashes) |
| 04:07.55 | peterS | WiFiTux: errr, I meant Torokhov, not Torokhev |
| 04:07.59 | muhoo | most people would agree that taking a video camera into a theatre is theft. they're tryign to criminalise file sharing. |
| 04:08.02 | Guerin | npx: I just bought a camera up on the 3rd storey of $MALL, now I want to go watch a movie. Why can't I? |
| 04:08.08 | muhoo | xam: THANKS! |
| 04:08.08 | peterS | WiFiTux: I keep some track of linux kernel development. not as much as I should, but enough to know that stuff |
| 04:08.10 | xam | muhoo: of course you have to have SysRq compiled in and enabled |
| 04:08.11 | cafuego | dvs: As long as it's 1) switched off or 2) set to be silent, what business is it of yours whether I have aphone there? |
| 04:08.18 | WiFiTux | peterS, oh thanks why |
| 04:08.29 | npx | The MPAA (or individual studios) are also within their rights to stipulate that when a theater buys rights to show it's movie it must not allow cameras inside |
| 04:08.35 | xenoduck | You just said you need your phone. Why would it be switched off if you need it. In the middle of a theater. During a movie. |
| 04:08.43 | peterS | WiFiTux: I'd just like to be able to keep up with kernel development. unfortunately I never can find the time |
| 04:08.43 | cafuego | xenoduck: See 2) |
| 04:08.54 | Guerin | xenoduck: stupidest question evar. |
| 04:09.00 | xenoduck | No, see 1. You said it's off. |
| 04:09.08 | muhoo | npx: it's politics, i think. right now filesharing is a civil tort. they want to make it a criminal violation. this is their first step: criminalising something that most reasonable people would agree on. |
| 04:09.11 | cafuego | xenoduck: *sigh* |
| 04:09.16 | WiFiTux | peterS, it's too much |
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| 04:09.24 | xenoduck | Yeah, cafuego. Sigh. You aren't making any sense and I laid it plain. |
| 04:09.35 | xenoduck | If only people would just agree with you. Sigh. |
| 04:09.38 | cafuego | xenoduck: 1) switched off or 2) set to be silent <-- see the "OR" there? |
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| 04:09.40 | rich_ | Last year they hoped to criminalise file shareing but frankly, when the democrats lost, so did the mpaa. The republicans wouldnt give hollywood the time of day |
| 04:09.44 | npx | cafuego: I never said I liked the rules, or that breaking them made you morally bankrupt |
| 04:09.54 | Guerin | xenoduck: movie finishes ay 23:00. at 23:10 I'm expecting a phone call to meet friends afterwards. i need my phone. |
| 04:10.01 | budluva | is it possible to edit an .so file? |
| 04:10.06 | peterS | budluva: not really |
| 04:10.08 | xenoduck | Guerin: Good for you! |
| 04:10.11 | peterS | budluva: what do you want to do with it? |
| 04:10.11 | cafuego | npx: Hmm dunno, with today's rules I think enforcing them makes you morally bankrupt ;-) |
| 04:10.26 | budluva | peterS, game.mp.uo.i386.so im tryin to edit call of duty dedicated server config |
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| 04:10.39 | budluva | and i think thats the file, but i cant edit it |
| 04:10.42 | Slant | Hey, can anyone help me out. |
| 04:10.44 | budluva | as its compiled code no? |
| 04:10.46 | cafuego | budluva: It's binary, don't try toe dit it. |
| 04:10.51 | npx | But really, how hard is it to leave your electronics in your locked car? |
| 04:10.55 | xam | budluva: yes, it is compiled code |
| 04:10.55 | npx | It's what I do when I catch a movie |
| 04:10.56 | Slant | I have two ethernet cards on two different Internet routed networks. |
| 04:10.56 | peterS | budluva: yes, .so normally means compiled code. |
| 04:11.03 | Slant | I would like to specify one as the default interface. |
| 04:11.04 | muhoo | rich_: interesting theory. but then there was fritz hollings (R-Disney) |
| 04:11.06 | Slant | How do I do this? |
| 04:11.09 | Guerin | xenoduck: yeah. Good for me, not beeing an apologist for the people who're stripping civil liberties |
| 04:11.10 | budluva | hrmm... |
| 04:11.10 | cafuego | npx: Right under the sign that says "Don't leave valueables in your car" ? |
| 04:11.12 | budluva | well this sucks |
| 04:11.33 | npx | cafuego: I've never seen such a sign... |
| 04:11.40 | cafuego | npx: I'm not in the business of donating toys to junkies. |
| 04:11.46 | Guerin | npx: 1) don't have a car 2) when I did, I typically never drove it to the cinema, since public transport is much better for that task |
| 04:11.49 | peterS | Slant: put a 'gateway x.x.x.x' line in /etc/network/interfaces under the correct interface, specifying the correct router IP that it's connected to via ethernet |
| 04:12.00 | Slant | peterS: But they both have gateways. |
| 04:12.02 | npx | What civil liberties are being stripped? Taking cameras into a privately owned theater is not a civil liberty |
| 04:12.04 | xenoduck | Someone won't let me take whatever I want onto their private property! My civil liberties are being violated! |
| 04:12.09 | Slant | And both are DHCP'ed. |
| 04:12.12 | muhoo | xam: that makes perfect sense. my keyboard goes wacky because x has crashed. |
| 04:12.18 | rich_ | muhoo Its niot my theory, I got it from a speech by glickman on c-span. They had a round of lawsuits on nov 16nth and thats it, finito, from now on, its all about the movie cameras, because he knows darn well the republicans are against him. |
| 04:12.22 | npx | yeah exactly xenoduck, it might suck but it's not what you're making it out to be |
| 04:12.23 | muhoo | xam: i'm running sid. so, maybe x is fux0red |
| 04:12.32 | cafuego | npx: They're all over the place here. If you leave your phone in your car, changes are your car will get broken into and the phone will be gone. |
| 04:12.36 | peterS | Slant: what did you want to use this second interface for, then, if not sending packets? |
| 04:12.45 | Slant | I do want to use it for sending packets. |
| 04:12.55 | npx | cafuego: Don't go to ghetto ass theatres |
| 04:12.56 | peterS | Slant: *what* packets? |
| 04:12.59 | xenoduck | Haw |
| 04:13.02 | npx | My car has NEVER been broken into |
| 04:13.04 | dvs | ha! |
| 04:13.10 | Slant | peterS: Responses to connections from that interface. |
| 04:13.10 | npx | It's a nice car, and I frequently leave nice stuff in it |
| 04:13.10 | xam | muhoo: don't know, haven't used sid in a loooong time. testing here for over 4 years now |
| 04:13.16 | Guerin | npx: carrying my legally owned and carried belongings on me is a liberty I rather value. |
| 04:13.17 | Slant | It's simply for redundancy. |
| 04:13.18 | cafuego | npx: Australia doesn't work that way. |
| 04:13.27 | muhoo | rich_: seems sensible. that was the Dark Side of the democrats, indeed. talk about voting against your better intersts! with right-wing media so dominant, you'd think dems would be gung-ho for p2p. *sigh* |
| 04:13.38 | andrew` | does lspci use a cache? |
| 04:13.47 | cafuego | andrew`: nope |
| 04:13.54 | Guerin | npx: your lack of experience with theft does not incline me to risk my belongings, thanks. |
| 04:13.56 | andrew` | hm..it's reporting the hardware i just took out lol |
| 04:13.57 | npx | Guerin: so don't go to theatres, refuse to go to court for a seatbelt violation cuz you like carrying your pocket knife |
| 04:14.08 | Shimei | Hmm. I'm getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room\n E:Error occured while processing shorewall (NewVersion1)\ E: Problem with MergeList..." and so on when I try to update my package list. |
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| 04:14.18 | Shimei | This is from an ancient potato cd with kernel 2.2. |
| 04:14.22 | peterS | !tell Shimei about dynamic mmap |
| 04:14.22 | npx | Guerin: My EXPERIENCE with theft is that when you park in a well-lit, well-patrolled area your shit gets left alone |
| 04:14.25 | rich_ | muhoo Yes, republicans have always been distrustful of hollywood, especially their religious wing. But apparently they are extra mad now because they think hollywood was against bush. |
| 04:14.27 | Guerin | npx: There are penalties for not attending court. |
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| 04:14.29 | Slant | peterS: I would like eth0 tobe the primary interface, for example if I use a web browser connections should originate from it. |
| 04:14.31 | dob | hi |
| 04:14.34 | muhoo | xam: makes sense, because i also did an apt-get dist-upgrade right after doing the kernel upgrade |
| 04:14.37 | cafuego | npx: I've had up to $20,000 worth of stuff stolen from my car(s) [luckily i have insurance] - there's NO way I'm leaving stuff in 'em. |
| 04:14.37 | Slant | peterS: However, the second connection is for if the first one goes down. |
| 04:14.40 | xenoduck | And have enough sense to leave valuables somewhere other than on the passenger seat. |
| 04:14.41 | Guerin | npx: not attending movie theatres is, more often than not, a net gain. |
| 04:14.47 | npx | true enough |
| 04:14.48 | Shimei | peterS: Ah, thank you. |
| 04:14.49 | Slant | Right now, Linux appears to be using the eth1 as the default connection. |
| 04:14.52 | npx | national treasure sucked balls |
| 04:14.56 | cafuego | Guerin: There is that. :-) |
| 04:14.59 | dob | what does that mean : "Checking `sshd'... /usr/bin/strings: Warning: '/' is not an ordinary file" ? |
| 04:15.00 | Slant | npx: I walked out of a free showing. |
| 04:15.01 | muhoo | rich_: yeah, arnold really was stumping for kerry ;-) mel gibson too. |
| 04:15.05 | gravity | npx: Did you expect otherwise? |
| 04:15.10 | xenoduck | Guerin won the argument... |
| 04:15.16 | Slant | peterS: (it's the connection I'm IP from right now.) |
| 04:15.24 | peterS | Slant: you can specify a "metric" for each route. I'm not sure if there's any syntax for this in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:15.25 | muhoo | rich_: perception, though. i agree... the fundies *hate* hollyweird |
| 04:15.25 | dvs | cafuego: $20,000 worth of stolen stuff in your car? ;-) Just kidding. That's what I thought I saw. |
| 04:15.29 | Slant | originating rather. |
| 04:15.34 | Slant | peterS: Ahh, metric. |
| 04:15.37 | peterS | Slant: fortunately, there is a man page, 'man 5 interfaces', about this file. if the option is there, it'll be documented |
| 04:15.40 | Slant | Hmm, what does metric do? |
| 04:15.43 | cafuego | dvs: Yeah, customised computer meeting system, laptop, projector. |
| 04:15.59 | cafuego | dvs: Just got back from a job in Sydney, left stuff in car whilst having dinner... |
| 04:16.00 | dvs | cafuego: Did you steal it? ;-) |
| 04:16.03 | xenoduck | And then loses it by being a cock anyway. |
| 04:16.06 | peterS | Slant: it tells a computer which interface to which network has what cost, relative to other routes |
| 04:16.18 | dvs | cafuego: I didn't read your first statement carefully enough. |
| 04:16.24 | Slant | peterS: Higher or lower given priority? |
| 04:16.39 | npx | Slant: don't blame you, I caught a matinee with a few coworkers |
| 04:16.45 | rich_ | muhoo excactly. Jack valencia was ceo of the mpaa for 40 years, and stepped down this year after the election. To replace him they got a former democratic senater, and from the dan glickman speech Id say he knows he is whipped. |
| 04:16.45 | peterS | Slant: if the metric is lower, the route is judged to be cheaper and should be used |
| 04:16.50 | npx | Slant: I'd have left if I weren't in their car lol |
| 04:16.55 | cafuego | stupid too-many-hosts |
| 04:17.06 | Slant | peterS: Ok, thanks. |
| 04:17.07 | muhoo | is x.org in sid? i'm still using xf86. should i u/g to x.org? |
| 04:17.13 | Guerin | xenoduck: argument's over. I won, by your own statement. I couldn't give a fuck what you think of me, since your contriburtion to the argument was the same attitude which earned USians the PATRIOT act and other such bastardisations. |
| 04:17.15 | cafuego | peterS: Which, I must note, does not work on Windows. |
| 04:17.17 | peterS | muhoo: no, it's not |
| 04:17.21 | xenoduck | Guerin, don't be a cock. |
| 04:17.24 | peterS | cafuego: I'm shocked |
| 04:17.29 | Guerin | xenoduck: are you xenguy? |
| 04:17.36 | xenoduck | Do I look like xenguy? |
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| 04:17.43 | xenoduck | Do you have any more stupid questions? |
| 04:17.48 | peterS | xenoduck: you do kind of look like xenguy |
| 04:17.53 | Guerin | xenoduck: your nick starts with the same three letters, and you're about equally retarded... |
| 04:17.55 | npx | Guerin: you didn't win that argument, you were arguing a non-issue |
| 04:17.56 | peterS | xenoduck: you've got the same eyes |
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| 04:18.08 | xenoduck | Guerin: Well, if the first three letters are the same, that's like evidence and stuff! |
| 04:18.10 | xenoduck | peterS :-) |
| 04:18.32 | muhoo | peterS: any reason why not? techinical? political? |
| 04:18.32 | npx | I can stipulate that you must chop off your penis and hand it to me in order to come into my house. You can say "eh, I'll pass" or hack it off and come in. Either way, no civil liberties have been violated. |
| 04:18.38 | Guerin | xenoduck: no, it's coincidence. hence why I asked. |
| 04:18.38 | cafuego | d'oh |
| 04:18.52 | muhoo | npx: my wife beat ya to it. |
| 04:18.55 | xenoduck | Guerin: No, you thought it wasn't coincidence. That's why you asked. |
| 04:18.58 | Guerin | npx: sure. That don't make it right for you to do so. |
| 04:19.16 | npx | Guerin: now we're arguing morality which is by all accounts relative |
| 04:19.21 | Guerin | xenoduck: No, I wondered whether it might not be coincidence. Try to keep up. |
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| 04:19.24 | npx | just spinning our tires |
| 04:19.26 | peterS | muhoo: technical. porting a new release of X to Debian is a *lot* of work. it was judged to be pointless to try to do all this work (including fixing bugs that crop up, or bugs which are in x.org already) was too much to expect for the sarge release |
| 04:19.42 | xenoduck | Guerin: Yes, that's what's I just said. You just agreed with me. Thanks. |
| 04:19.46 | Guerin | No. |
| 04:19.48 | docgnome | Does anyone use an Epson Stylus C82 printer? I'm having problems getting mine to work. When I try to print a test page, it appears that the job is sent to the printer, yet the printer doesn't print anything. |
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| 04:19.52 | peterS | muhoo: therefore, XFree86 4.3.0, with some driver backports, is what will ship with Sarge, and the X team will concentrate on x.org only *after* sarge is released |
| 04:19.53 | xenoduck | Guerin: Your mom's fat. |
| 04:20.03 | xenoduck | Guerin: Fat fatty fatty pants. |
| 04:20.05 | Guerin | xenoduck: I don't have a 'mom' |
| 04:20.28 | jsm | is it possible to a remote debian installation? i.e., have someone kick off the net install image and them at some point have them launch an sshd? |
| 04:20.30 | muhoo | peterS: thanks. ok, then i prolly have an x bug somewhere. i'll search for bug reports on this then. |
| 04:21.03 | peterS | muhoo: note that some preparations for porting x.org to Debian have been made already. but I expect they won't make it public until post-sarge |
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| 04:21.56 | a_monkey | i installed debian. |
| 04:22.04 | cafuego | !congratulate a_monkey |
| 04:22.05 | dpkg | Huzzah a_monkey, you did it! |
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| 04:22.08 | a_monkey | now i want a graphical interface |
| 04:22.20 | cafuego | a_monkey: What video card do you have? |
| 04:22.38 | a_monkey | nvidia geforce2 mx, cafuego |
| 04:23.05 | cafuego | a_monkey: Easy. 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' -> select 'nv' from the list of drivers; be sure to select "Simple' setup for the screen. |
| 04:23.25 | cafuego | a_monkey: You cna add 3D support later with the binary-only nvidia driver. |
| 04:23.38 | lastRebel | can anybody give me a link to help me configure OpenGL support? |
| 04:23.39 | npx | Does the 'simple' screen setup automatically detect horizsync/vertrefresh nowadays? |
| 04:23.49 | a_monkey | and then i'll have a desktop environment and everything? |
| 04:23.54 | cafuego | npx: Pretty much. |
| 04:24.09 | cafuego | a_monkey: Well, a very VERY simple one. Would you like KDE or Gnome? |
| 04:24.12 | npx | Cool. That would've been handy...5 years ago =) |
| 04:24.16 | peterS | npx: if you install 'read-edid', I think it uses that |
| 04:24.22 | a_monkey | cafuego: i want gnome |
| 04:24.37 | cafuego | npx: I've never had it fail thusfar, on various laptops, crt's, lcd's. |
| 04:24.52 | muhoo | Guerin: xenoduck: ok, looks like the argument has denegeratet to the point of whipping out the "dad book" on each other: http://www.stinkfinger.net/fuckyou.php |
| 04:24.57 | cafuego | a_monkey: Then you want to run 'apt-get install gnome-session gnome x-window-system-core' |
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| 04:25.52 | cafuego | yo momma so fat, she can use /ignore |
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| 04:26.57 | lastRebel | anybody have a decent link to help me configure opengl? |
| 04:27.24 | npx | lastRebel: be more specific |
| 04:27.39 | phant0m-z3r0 | lastrebel: im assumiing you searched first |
| 04:27.48 | npx | Hardware-accelerated opengl? what version of debian? what version of X? what kinda graphics card? |
| 04:28.05 | lastRebel | I'm a noob, if you can't tell |
| 04:28.15 | lastRebel | (just a fair warning) :/ |
| 04:28.20 | Guerin | we can |
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| 04:29.41 | lastRebel | hardware accelerated, I installed from the latest knoppix cd, and would like to be able to play my opengl games |
| 04:29.52 | lastRebel | unfortunately, I don't know much else, or where to start looking |
| 04:30.06 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:30.07 | npx | lastRebel: This is #Debian, not #Knoppix and you still didn't tell us what kind of hardware |
| 04:30.33 | lastRebel | nvidia gforce fx 5200 |
| 04:30.49 | cafuego | Maybe they can tell you on #knoppix |
| 04:30.53 | Guerin | lastRebel: either install debian, or ask in #knoppix or #nvidia |
| 04:30.54 | lastRebel | if I need to leave, I will |
| 04:31.01 | lastRebel | thanks anyway. |
| 04:31.10 | npx | lastRebel: It's not that we don't wanna help you it's that we don't use knoppix |
| 04:31.17 | lastRebel | I understand |
| 04:31.25 | lastRebel | I didn't know there was much of a difference |
| 04:31.29 | lastRebel | thanks |
| 04:31.30 | kaplanfx | who was I talking to about headphones the other night? |
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| 04:31.46 | cafuego | lastRebel: We don't use knoppix, so we don't know if there's much of a difference. |
| 04:31.56 | gen | shazam |
| 04:32.04 | cafuego | xam: Just get their address and go pick it up ;-) |
| 04:32.11 | Guerin | xam: haha |
| 04:32.16 | xam | cafuego: not offered |
| 04:32.25 | cafuego | xam: Or meet in a pub, get the package and have a pint |
| 04:32.30 | Guerin | xam: because they have to import it from china |
| 04:32.36 | peterS | heh |
| 04:32.38 | npx | xam, you should see some of the places fedex ships stuff en route from indianapolis to southern indiana |
| 04:32.39 | kaplanfx | anyhow I got some headphones, I splurged a little but they are awsome |
| 04:32.49 | gen | what kind |
| 04:32.57 | cafuego | kaplanfx: Not Actiontec ones I hope? |
| 04:33.03 | npx | xam, one package, I shit you not, ended up in new york city for a while, another in *CALIFORNIA* |
| 04:33.31 | kaplanfx | almost got the bose headphones for $150 bucks, but I went with sony mdr-v500DJ |
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| 04:33.56 | nichos | hi all, have a weird situation here. yahoo.com cannot be found? Everything else is working fine, havent changed anything. can i flush my dns somehow? |
| 04:33.59 | kaplanfx | I couldn't buy the bose becuase they didn't have a pair out to try on |
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| 04:34.13 | xam | Guerin: yeah, it is a fecking trackball (retail) ... just 0.2kg and it is *just* the mouse, no CDs or anything superfluous |
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| 04:34.34 | phant0m-z3r0 | nichos: i dont even know how to respond |
| 04:34.41 | kaplanfx | I didn't do any research really, I just bought a pair that felt good on my head, and lucky the sound is quite good |
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| 04:35.00 | deadcat | anyone still hvaing trouble deleting imgs using gphoto2 ? |
| 04:35.02 | kaplanfx | nichos: check your hosts file |
| 04:35.03 | npx | kaplanfx: any time you spend more than $40 on headphones they're prolly gonna sound pretty good |
| 04:35.16 | kaplanfx | npx: these were $70 |
| 04:35.18 | dondelelcaro | npx: not necessarily true, unfortunatly. |
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| 04:35.42 | blackish | I want to mount and umnount a usb drive (backup HDD) when it is plugged-in and removed, I assume hotplug is where I want to be looking around?? anyone got any info? |
| 04:35.45 | npx | dondelelcaro: yeah i said "prolly" - I've never ran into a really shitty pair myself (only bought a couple) |
| 04:35.51 | kaplanfx | but they have a nice long coily cord thing, with soft earcups, and gold connectors |
| 04:35.57 | deadcat | does anyone suspend their desktop? i am trying to but after waking up. lots of hardwares dont work. |
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| 04:36.06 | dondelelcaro | the only issue with the V500DJs is that they are a bit more boomy than most headphones... but for what I do with them, that's a good thing. |
| 04:36.12 | npx | deadcat: I had the same problem |
| 04:36.18 | xam | npx: well, here in ireland it takes about 4 hours by train to travel from one side of the country to the other end. No, no hi-speed train |
| 04:36.26 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: you have the same ones as I just got? |
| 04:36.28 | Guerin | deadcat: you have to kill hotplug before suspending, I think |
| 04:36.35 | npx | xam, nice. |
| 04:36.39 | Guerin | deadcat: then restart it on wake |
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| 04:36.42 | Venim | my X server is going blank (like monitor shutoff type) every 10 - 20 minutes of inactivity... i've tried xset s off. but that doesn't seem to fix it. any ideas? |
| 04:36.43 | deadcat | npx: same problem on suspending? |
| 04:36.48 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: erg, sorry, I meant the MD700DJs |
| 04:36.53 | Guerin | xam: yeah, that's a bit rude |
| 04:37.01 | deadcat | Guerin: oh.. cool. thanks. |
| 04:37.02 | sbrath | Is their an easy source for me to pull all the .torrents for debian to load them in bulk on my server to mass serve? |
| 04:37.08 | dondelelcaro | MDR-V700DJs or whatever the hell they are |
| 04:37.09 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: heh thats a nicer model me thinks |
| 04:37.30 | kaplanfx | whats the diff, bigger drivers? |
| 04:37.30 | dondelelcaro | sony's model numbers have no relationship to reality. |
| 04:37.37 | xam | Guerin: yeah. 10-14 days? WTF do they do all the time? Do they *walk* the distance? |
| 04:37.37 | npx | lol |
| 04:37.54 | npx | they probably just take forever to get the package out the door |
| 04:38.19 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: iirc, yes. They have 50mm drivers, and handle 3W |
| 04:38.37 | kaplanfx | yeah these have a 40mm driver |
| 04:38.46 | kaplanfx | which I think is way way more than I need anyhow |
| 04:38.48 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: basically, unless you're a DJ who often needs to listen over the top of huge systems, there's no point. |
| 04:38.56 | xam | bah. cheap $70 headphones |
| 04:38.57 | kaplanfx | I can understand why 50 would be boomy |
| 04:39.02 | kaplanfx | I |
| 04:39.03 | initech | 50mm! are we talking about GUNS?!? |
| 04:39.11 | dondelelcaro | initech: no... |
| 04:39.18 | initech | damn |
| 04:39.20 | Guerin | 50mm is a big gun |
| 04:39.22 | Venim | my X server is going blank (like monitor shutoff type) every 10 - 20 minutes of inactivity... i've tried xset s off. but that doesn't seem to fix it. any ideas? |
| 04:39.23 | Guerin | like |
| 04:39.28 | kaplanfx | I'm just using these things for my comp, mp3, video, occasional gaming etc... |
| 04:39.31 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yeah, that's like 4 guage size. |
| 04:39.39 | Guerin | even bigger than you'd need for gators and hogs down in them swamps |
| 04:39.42 | xam | Guerin: hehe .50 bmg rules |
| 04:39.43 | initech | Guerin: sure is, and don't you come on ma property, hear? |
| 04:39.58 | dondelelcaro | that's .50 cal. Huge difference between 50 cal and 50mm |
| 04:40.04 | kaplanfx | I don't know anything about guns, but I've seen a 9mm bullet, 50 must be huge |
| 04:40.08 | initech | xam: 50mm is a fucking shitload bigger than that |
| 04:40.09 | dondelelcaro | 50mm is a 2" gun |
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| 04:40.25 | ixane | why does debian linux hate my 160gb hd? |
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| 04:40.29 | Guerin | xam: that's .50 inch, nowhere near 50mm |
| 04:40.33 | dondelelcaro | I mean, that's a small cannon... |
| 04:40.36 | kaplanfx | 50mm would be a cannon not a gun :) |
| 04:40.37 | deadcat | man i was watching texas hold'em tourament on tv this weekend. seems very interesting. (= |
| 04:40.41 | kaplanfx | hehe dondelelcaro |
| 04:40.48 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:40.53 | initech | Guerin: professor longhair? http://www.it.kpt.cc/scratch/roll_with_it.mp3 |
| 04:40.56 | Guerin | not far from anti-aircraft |
| 04:40.58 | xam | Guerin, dondelelcaro: inch, mm ... doesn't matter |
| 04:41.01 | Venim | gah... does no one know wtf is up with my monitor and X server? |
| 04:41.08 | kaplanfx | deadcat: holdem rocks, my buddies and I have a weekly game going now |
| 04:41.14 | Guerin | xam: well, actually, it does |
| 04:41.18 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:41.18 | dondelelcaro | hell, then M203 is only 40mm |
| 04:41.19 | marcux | hello |
| 04:41.27 | Guerin | and that's a grenade launcher |
| 04:41.31 | kaplanfx | deadcat: I just started playing cards maybe 6 months ago so I get beat pretty bad |
| 04:41.34 | deadcat | kaplanfx: cool. too bad i dont gamble (= |
| 04:41.40 | initech | 50mm was a standard tank cannon in early WW2 at least |
| 04:41.48 | marcux | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 04:41.48 | marcux | i cant make apt-get install because of this error |
| 04:41.52 | kaplanfx | deadcat: its pretty tame, its 10 buy in winner takes all |
| 04:41.55 | initech | so don;t ya'll fuck wit me! |
| 04:41.56 | Guerin | !tell marcux about mmap |
| 04:42.07 | kaplanfx | deadcat: it lasts longer than going to a movie, and its cheaper |
| 04:42.12 | xam | inittech: I have a flak ammo at home, that is about 50mm ... |
| 04:42.19 | Guerin | kaplanfx: the only way to play cards is face to face |
| 04:42.28 | kaplanfx | Guerin: I play face to face |
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| 04:42.31 | kaplanfx | online is lame |
| 04:42.37 | deadcat | kaplanfx: ah.. ya. those small friendly games are ok. but i still dont gamble though. |
| 04:42.43 | Shimei | Hmm, I was getting the dynamic mmap errors from apt so I put the Cache-Limit thing in. It wasn't working so I increased the value to 12582912000000, but it still isn't working. |
| 04:42.44 | Guerin | kaplanfx: cards is 20% skill, 5% luck and 70% reading people |
| 04:42.49 | dondelelcaro | !dynamic mmap |
| 04:42.49 | dpkg | dynamic mmap is probably "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 04:42.49 | Guerin | :) |
| 04:42.52 | deadcat | kaplanfx: online is for lusers with no life. |
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| 04:43.06 | kaplanfx | deadcat: thats what I used to say, but they got me one time and its been downhill ever since |
| 04:43.11 | Shimei | don_inlab: I already tried that. |
| 04:43.13 | Shimei | Err. |
| 04:43.17 | Shimei | dondelelcaro: I already tried that. |
| 04:43.23 | dondelelcaro | Shimei: well, you obviously didn't increase it enough. |
| 04:43.26 | deadcat | kaplanfx: the reason to play poker is to read each others' moves. |
| 04:43.29 | kaplanfx | deadcat: that was in ref to gambling, not to online poker btw |
| 04:43.40 | kaplanfx | yeah I have never played online |
| 04:43.44 | rich_ | friendly games of chance are legal in oregon. |
| 04:43.49 | dondelelcaro | Shimei: or where ever you put it isn't the right location. |
| 04:43.57 | Guerin | haha, games of chance |
| 04:44.04 | kaplanfx | rich_: they are pretty much legal everywhere, no way to enforce it |
| 04:44.17 | Guerin | like red or black? That's about the only chance card game I know.... |
| 04:44.21 | deadcat | i got this really cool 3 cart monte trick i figured i like to mess with my friends. (= hella cool. |
| 04:44.23 | dondelelcaro | Shimei: apt-get -o APT::Cache-Limit=9999999999 ugrade; should work. |
| 04:44.29 | npx | Guerin: spades is mostly chance |
| 04:44.31 | rich_ | yes, we can have private parties where gambleing is allowed. |
| 04:44.50 | dondelelcaro | npx: mostly chance? hardly. |
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| 04:44.57 | Guerin | kaplanfx: massive difference between "not enforced" and "legal" |
| 04:45.04 | Guerin | npx: I don't buy that |
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| 04:45.25 | Guerin | npx: I don't know the game, but it's a bit like hears, innit? |
| 04:45.29 | dondelelcaro | spades has less chance involved in it than poker... and poker isn't just a game of cance. |
| 04:45.30 | Guerin | hearts |
| 04:45.33 | dondelelcaro | s/cance/chance/ |
| 04:45.39 | npx | Guerin: yeah it's a lot like hearts |
| 04:45.40 | kaplanfx | Guerin: yeah I know, I just don't care, if its not enforced and I enjoy doing it, there is no deterent so I probably will |
| 04:45.49 | Guerin | kaplanfx: fair play. |
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| 04:46.10 | Guerin | I miss playing cards |
| 04:46.13 | rich_ | I think there is chance involved. I realise that theres a large percentage of people who believe it's a sure thing. |
| 04:46.14 | puff | Evening. |
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| 04:46.25 | Guerin | don't live near enough people |
| 04:46.34 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:46.35 | npx | I'm not really mathematically inclined enough to prove that spades is mostly chance |
| 04:46.37 | npx | but I believe it! |
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| 04:46.40 | puff | www.partypoker.com! |
| 04:46.40 | Guerin | people who have no skills blame chance in card games |
| 04:46.43 | puff | I saw that on TV last night. |
| 04:46.52 | puff | It must be true, it was on TV! |
| 04:46.53 | kaplanfx | puff: haha, thats all just a bunch of bots |
| 04:47.13 | xam | puff: not true. It is only true if it was on b&w tv |
| 04:48.08 | puff | My box is back up and running, btw, thanks muchly to various people here. |
| 04:48.19 | puff | now I begin the painful task of rebuilding it. |
| 04:48.27 | npx | puff, good luck |
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| 04:48.35 | npx | puff, the good news: it will be better this time =) |
| 04:48.42 | xam | puff: what was your IP & username & password again? ;-P |
| 04:48.46 | puff | I'm waffling on whether I should copy the /home directories over en-masse or recreate them one at a time. |
| 04:49.09 | npx | puff remember to preserve the permissions with the -a flag to cp |
| 04:49.13 | dendrite | puff: How long was your setup running before it croaked? |
| 04:49.24 | puff | 239.39.99, username chuck, passwd farely. |
| 04:49.29 | puff | farlie. |
| 04:49.45 | kaplanfx | heh, well I'm going to install my new memory. For the first time I will actually have a gig of ram in one of my systems |
| 04:49.49 | kaplanfx | yay |
| 04:49.51 | xam | puff: the IP is bogous |
| 04:49.52 | zakame | hi all |
| 04:49.53 | npx | kaplanfx: it's nice =) |
| 04:49.57 | puff | dendrite It was up a couple of years. |
| 04:50.02 | kaplanfx | npx: thats what I am thinking :) |
| 04:50.09 | dendrite | puff: When I move home dirs, I usually just put 'em in a folder called old. That way I get to have an uncluttered new beginning, and I can get at old stuff I need. |
| 04:50.15 | puff | Wtf? Looks liek the first quad got clipped. 216.239.39.99 |
| 04:50.32 | puff | dendrite Yeah, but I have a couple dozen users in /home |
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| 04:50.40 | puff | We were up for two or three years. |
| 04:50.52 | npx | puff, remember the -a flag, please |
| 04:50.53 | puff | slipped too far behind, every time I did a dist-upgrade things broke all over, so I just sorta got out of hte habit. |
| 04:50.58 | puff | npx Yeah. |
| 04:51.02 | zakame | has anyone done $HOME version control? |
| 04:51.06 | dendrite | puff: Then you could give 'em each their own old folder... |
| 04:51.15 | puff | Well, some of these just use it for webmail. |
| 04:51.19 | xam | zakame: yes |
| 04:51.40 | npx | zakame: iirc, it was a pretty horrendous hack |
| 04:51.40 | puff | Maybe I should compromise, check the /home directories and mass-copy (wtih -a, yes npx) the ones who only have mail and nothing else. |
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| 04:51.50 | xam | zakame: I know a couple of people who do it aswell. Actually it is quite common amongst developers I guess |
| 04:51.51 | zakame | xam: what vc? |
| 04:52.04 | npx | puff, I copied my entire system the other day without -a |
| 04:52.08 | npx | puff, it was ugly |
| 04:52.26 | Guerin | this is why tar as root is so damn good |
| 04:52.40 | zakame | xam: oic... been thinking of setting up one at my office... as for now, I'm quite sick, real world sick... :( |
| 04:52.40 | xam | zakame: I use arch, but most of my friends use cvs *shudder* |
| 04:52.43 | Guerin | tar iss smart enough to go "naw, you don't mean that", and preserv permissions |
| 04:52.45 | npx | yeah guerin I usually do the dumb shit first |
| 04:52.48 | fpmc | Hi. I am having some weird trouble with emacs..... it seems that for one particular source file, at line 531, whenever I try to edit it I will hang my emacs!! |
| 04:53.03 | fpmc | This is happening to two of my Debian machines! |
| 04:53.23 | dendrite | fpmc: Oooh, Neato!!! |
| 04:53.26 | npx | See, it's when you actually start thinking that you know a thing or two about linux that you really get to fucking things up |
| 04:53.43 | puff | I want $HOME version control, and a wrapper around apt that lets me keep track of who installed a package and why. |
| 04:53.49 | dendrite | fpmc: Can you create a smaller file that reproduces the issue? |
| 04:54.03 | Guerin | initech: roll with it ++ |
| 04:54.11 | npx | puff I can see the wrapper being pretty easy to make |
| 04:54.17 | puff | fpmc Hm, check on #emacs? |
| 04:54.18 | initech | Guerin: hope you liked it |
| 04:54.19 | fpmc | dendrite: I'll try |
| 04:54.23 | puff | npx Yeah, that's what I was thinkinbg. What's apt written in? |
| 04:54.29 | puff | C? |
| 04:54.49 | dendrite | fpmc: Then check BTS, and if it's not a known issue, be sure to file a bug, and attach the offending file. |
| 04:54.51 | zakame | xam: hehe... I'm trying out svn, though I'm also interested in arch, having read a lot at planet debian about it... |
| 04:55.07 | npx | puff, C, I think. I was thinking of a bash wrapper that writes a description of why a package was installed to /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.reasoning or something |
| 04:55.14 | fpmc | dendrite: But how can I check whether it's a known issue?? |
| 04:55.29 | puff | While I'm at it... I'll bet there're already options to support this, but nobody knows about them; basically, pre-fetch all the files you'll need, but don't actually run the install. |
| 04:55.40 | fpmc | dendrite: I mean... I can't really explain what the problem is.... |
| 04:55.42 | fpmc | :( |
| 04:55.43 | dendrite | fpmc: querybts |
| 04:55.44 | zakame | Guerin: sousaphones? |
| 04:55.47 | puff | So you can kick off a bunch of stuff, but come back later and do all the actual installing and configuring at once. |
| 04:55.53 | fpmc | dendrite: ok I'll try |
| 04:56.00 | dendrite | fpmc: Well, you did a pretty good job in here just now. |
| 04:56.02 | Guerin | zakame: yes |
| 04:56.03 | npx | puff, *nods* I was wondering about that sorta functionality when I installed this system |
| 04:56.03 | puff | npx Yeah, I'd write it in perl I guess, I'm comfortable in perl. |
| 04:56.05 | xam | zakame: it is very powerful, but it is awkward to use |
| 04:56.16 | xam | zakame: well, at least at first |
| 04:56.28 | fpmc | dendrite: it's actually a open source project file |
| 04:56.34 | zakame | Guerin: oic... just dicted... |
| 04:56.38 | puff | npx I vaguely believe that's doable with the right command-line flags, but I don't have a recipe for doing it. |
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| 04:56.47 | dendrite | fpmc: Ah. Interesting. |
| 04:56.56 | dendrite | fpmc: What flavor of emacs are you using? |
| 04:57.16 | zakame | xam: but at least its usable :)... I'm gonna dselect it now... |
| 04:57.17 | npx | puff you could always use a perl module (I'm sure there is one) to read the apt packages db |
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| 04:57.31 | fpmc | dendrite: GNU emacs 21.3.1, not xemacs |
| 04:57.40 | puff | So, besides /home/foo and the appropriate lines in /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and /etc/groups, what else is necessary? |
| 04:57.58 | puff | npx There's gotta be one, yeah. |
| 04:58.08 | xam | puff: well, chown of the home dirs to the users, and that's basically it |
| 04:58.27 | dendrite | fpmc: I see plenty of bugs for emacs21 -- it'd take some digging to see if your issue is in there. |
| 04:58.30 | jetscreamer | \o/ dselect |
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| 04:58.36 | puff | I also need to learn how to make my own packages, for when what I need isn't in a package. |
| 04:58.48 | puff | xam Cool, I thoughtthat was it, but I was afraid I might miss something. |
| 04:58.54 | fpmc | dendrite: Are you interested to download the file and try to see if you get same error? It's 'demo.cpp' in Cal3d's cal3d_cally demo, line 531 |
| 04:58.58 | zakame | puff: maint-guide |
| 04:59.00 | npx | puff, for packages built with the autotools it's pretty trivial. |
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| 04:59.07 | ixane | so anyone have an idea why debian can't handle my maxtor 160gb hd? |
| 04:59.33 | puff | npx autotools? |
| 04:59.34 | dendrite | fpmc: I don't get emacs at all, so I'm afraid that once it becomes specific to emacs, I'm no help. |
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| 04:59.41 | benjamindees | puff, http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 04:59.45 | npx | puff, the GNU autotools..autoconf, automake, usually libtool too |
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| 04:59.48 | fpmc | dendrite: no prob :) |
| 04:59.48 | dendrite | fpmc: But I can encourage you to check out BTS... =) |
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| 04:59.56 | fpmc | dendrite: will |
| 04:59.57 | gravity | puff: Read the new maintainer's guide (install the maint-guide package) to learn the basics of packaging stuff yourself |
| 05:00.02 | puff | The last time I asked about how hard/easy it was to create a debian package, the answer was "Have you ever had a finger broken?" |
| 05:00.04 | dendrite | fpmc: Heh heh. Maybe you should try VI? =) |
| 05:00.25 | npx | puff, Well, I think they assumed you meant an official debian package |
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| 05:00.33 | Xenguy | fpmc: try vim instead :-) |
| 05:00.34 | puff | Ah. |
| 05:00.36 | dendrite | puff: Look into checkinstall, for an easy way to create debs. |
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| 05:00.44 | benjamindees | can anyone tell me how big a full download of Sarge is? |
| 05:01.00 | gravity | benjamindees: 11 CD's |
| 05:01.03 | Xenguy | puff: what dendrite said (a good cheat :-) |
| 05:01.13 | benjamindees | gravity, that's without the source, right? |
| 05:01.15 | zakame | benjamindees: core dumped... |
| 05:01.17 | fpmc | Xenguy: no, this problem won't hurt me, I can use nano, pico, vim, whatever... just that it's weird that an editor will break for some file at some particular line in both my Debian machines....... |
| 05:01.28 | gravity | benjamindees: No, that's with. I forget how many it is without source. 9 I think. |
| 05:01.39 | Xenguy | fpmc: ahh |
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| 05:02.10 | npx | I use kate to edit everything. IT IS THE WAY. |
| 05:02.19 | beth | weirdo. |
| 05:02.21 | xam | bejamindees: full download? If you only mean the binary packages (not unzipped), it is 8.9GB |
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| 05:03.29 | Xenguy | npx: heheh - not over a remote ssh connection it ain't ;-) |
| 05:03.34 | zakame | beth: hehe |
| 05:03.35 | puff | Hm. |
| 05:03.35 | Guerin | !pity npx |
| 05:03.36 | dpkg | I pity da fool npx! |
| 05:03.54 | npx | Xenguy: If you've got a good connection it's usable |
| 05:04.06 | npx | Xenguy: I used to run entire KDE sessions over the net =) |
| 05:04.27 | dendrite | npx: Except of course that not self respecting server would have KDE on it... |
| 05:04.34 | dendrite | s/not/no/ |
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| 05:04.37 | beth | anybody do java stuff? If I want to run (not write) a java app, do I just need classpath and kaffe, or what? |
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| 05:04.46 | npx | Even a self-respecting XDMCP server, dendrite? |
| 05:04.46 | Xenguy | npx: well sure you can do it (you can do anything if you try hard enough) but using X for remote server administration sounds like a little slice of hell to me =) |
| 05:04.52 | xam | dendrite: or any X application for that matter |
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| 05:05.13 | dendrite | npx: OK, XDM excepted. =) |
| 05:05.28 | xam | npx: self-respecting and XDMCP in one sentence? |
| 05:05.33 | deadcat | any wep crack software for the linksys wireless G router? |
| 05:05.38 | npx | Yes, xdmcp kicks ass. |
| 05:05.42 | dendrite | xam: <grin> |
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| 05:05.50 | xam | npx: yes, but not in the 'cool' way |
| 05:05.54 | rich_ | some people really dont like x |
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| 05:06.23 | dendrite | rich_: Well, X has it's place, and that place ain't on a server. |
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| 05:06.49 | Xenguy | rich_: I didn't use it much when I was first learning *nix (probably a good thing); now I've grown to like it :-) |
| 05:07.04 | beth | (X terminals)++ |
| 05:07.06 | sbk_ | beth: the safest way is to see what version of java the app uses, and use some jdk or jre blessed by sun. |
| 05:07.07 | Xenguy | dendrite: nod |
| 05:07.08 | npx | X over SSH is just as secure as any other service, more secure than most (bind/sendmail come to mind) |
| 05:07.10 | dendrite | We seem to have averted an editor holy war only to stumble into an X-on-servers war... |
| 05:07.17 | npx | hahaha |
| 05:07.24 | beth | sbk_: if I wanted to use the official java, I would use the official java |
| 05:07.39 | beth | sbk_: that's why I asked specifically about the free implementations. |
| 05:07.47 | Xenguy | npx: one does not install unnecessary services (like X on a server) =) |
| 05:07.59 | sbk_ | beth: I see, okay. |
| 05:08.00 | rich_ | dendrite x itself is a server, and a lot of computers run it just for the purpose of shareing hardware. |
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| 05:08.15 | jp- | it's not unnecessary for everyone. |
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| 05:08.28 | dendrite | rich_: Yeah, that was the point up there about XDM, which I allowed was the exception. ;-) |
| 05:08.44 | beth | apache is unnecessary for some machines. Heck, ssh is unnecessary for some machines. |
| 05:09.08 | initech | Xenguy: sun folks do it all the time |
| 05:09.19 | dendrite | Xenguy: The one time it might make sense is if you are trying to get Linux into a windows shop... |
| 05:09.22 | Xenguy | initech: really - how odd |
| 05:09.31 | vin | hi, i configuring kernel 2.6.8 with "make menuconfig" and it says I need "ncurses-devel", but I can't find such a package with aptitude or dselect. Any clues? |
| 05:09.33 | initech | Xenguy: can't install without it, really |
| 05:09.44 | npx | if you're interested in showing off the capabilities of linux, remote X just impresses the PISS out of people |
| 05:09.53 | initech | Xenguy: xdmcp wide open and all |
| 05:09.56 | rich_ | It's one of the things x was designed for. But if it doesnt feel right to you, dont do it |
| 05:09.58 | Xenguy | dendrite: yeah, you could always uninstall it later ;-) |
| 05:10.00 | xam | vin: ncurses-dev |
| 05:10.06 | dendrite | I remember installing Oracle -- that required X. *ARGH* |
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| 05:10.27 | puff | Hm, here's anodd question... suppose I want to list a large number of directories, about 100, and see which oens have ONLY a single subdirectory of a known name? |
| 05:10.46 | puff | Hm. |
| 05:10.49 | vin | xam: thanks dude |
| 05:10.58 | rich_ | why would you run x on a "headless display" if it wasnt a server? |
| 05:11.24 | nbr1lamer | keep it from the wife |
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| 05:11.43 | dendrite | puff: That would be a rather tricky one. I'm not sure it can be done as a one-liner. |
| 05:11.56 | jp- | puff: use find and pipe it to grep |
| 05:12.16 | puff | jp- How to exclude directories that have other stuff in them? |
| 05:12.26 | puff | I'll probably just write a perl script. |
| 05:12.28 | jp- | use the -maxdepth option |
| 05:12.32 | jp- | -type d |
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| 05:12.43 | jp- | wc to count how many are in a particular one |
| 05:12.49 | dendrite | jp-: No, he means don't report it at all if the directory has other stuff in it. |
| 05:12.50 | jp- | grep to match the pattern |
| 05:12.57 | puff | jp- To match which? |
| 05:13.03 | epsilon | if I use stunnel to connect a daemon and -v option is unset, is the connection definitly encrypted or can be non-encrypted? |
| 05:13.15 | npx | for i in $(find /my/dir -name "single_subdir" -print); do if [ echo $(ls -w5 -d /my/dir/*/) != $i; ]; echo $i; done |
| 05:13.18 | jp- | the directory you are intrested in |
| 05:13.19 | npx | or something like that |
| 05:13.21 | puff | jp- Standing at the top of a directory hierarchy, find and report ONLY those directories which contain a single known subdirectory name. |
| 05:14.23 | Xenguy | puff: you might be further ahead just using 'tree' :-) |
| 05:15.04 | initech | puff: find + grep will do fine, no? |
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| 05:16.03 | dendrite | npx: Nice. Why the -w5 to ls? |
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| 05:16.17 | mhall | Hello everyone. |
| 05:16.17 | vin | is ext3 better than ext2? |
| 05:16.26 | initech | vin: err, yes |
| 05:16.30 | dendrite | vin: depends. |
| 05:16.48 | dendrite | vin: For volumes that rarely change, perhaps not. |
| 05:16.48 | mhall | Can anybody explain why I might be having problems with freenet6? The latency on ipv6 is twice that of ipv4 to places like www.kame.net and such. |
| 05:16.54 | mhall | And I can't seem to traceroute. |
| 05:16.56 | stoned | vin, better is a relative term |
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| 05:17.06 | mhall | vin Depends on the situation |
| 05:17.06 | Xenguy | vin: it avoids long 'fscks' on large hard disks for one thing |
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| 05:17.19 | initech | mhall: someone blocking time to live exceeded's? |
| 05:17.37 | initech | mhall: then again, I know shit all about ip6 |
| 05:17.41 | vin | i got a big drive. So I guess ext3 is a better choice. |
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| 05:17.42 | mhall | vin One thing, in Un*x, there is rarely a case of one thing being definitively better than competing things. |
| 05:17.43 | dendrite | vin: For stuff like /usr you might be as well off just mounting it read-only and sticking with ext2. |
| 05:17.53 | xam | mhall: where are you located? |
| 05:17.56 | mhall | initech Well they seem to get through with ipv6. |
| 05:17.56 | Misirlou | mhall: #ipv6, #debian-ipv6 |
| 05:18.12 | mhall | initech ack, ipv4 i meant |
| 05:18.16 | mhall | xam CA, US |
| 05:18.22 | stoned | every time I go to sites after a reboot of the pc, it takes a while looking up the domain, is there a way to cache that |
| 05:18.25 | initech | dendrite: why get so comlicated? there's no point most of the time (unless it's a public system) |
| 05:18.30 | stoned | like a dns cache |
| 05:18.45 | mhall | stoned traditionally that's not done across boots |
| 05:18.55 | mhall | stoned but during one boot it's done automatically |
| 05:19.04 | vin | well, I just have 1 paritition for now, with / mounted on it. works fine so far. altough I read somewhere a long time ago that ext2 is supposed to be faster or something |
| 05:19.06 | mhall | Misirlou i'll try those |
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| 05:19.11 | dendrite | initech: *shrug* The question was general. General questions are more complicated. |
| 05:19.35 | initech | vin: it isn't faster. it practically the same, but with benefits, so there's no reason not to use it. |
| 05:19.43 | stoned | mhall, i don't quite understand, what isn't done across boots, caching or resolving |
| 05:19.43 | Shimei | Agh. I've tried using dpkg's fix for mmap errors and I've tried "apt-get -o Cache-Limit=9999999999 upgrade;" and such but it just refuses to work. Does it not work on an old kernel 2.2 install? |
| 05:19.53 | xam | mhall: mhh, perhaps you should try HurricaneElectric (http://ipv6.he.net/) |
| 05:19.58 | puff | npx is the "done" part of the script? |
| 05:20.07 | npx | puff, yeah but htat script is broken |
| 05:20.19 | puff | Ah? |
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| 05:20.27 | vin | initech: how much more space does the whole journaling scheme consume? is it alot? |
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| 05:20.49 | initech | mhall: well, many isp's block icmp altogether, which will of course break traceroute |
| 05:21.02 | initech | vin: negligible by todays standards |
| 05:21.10 | vin | initech: ok, thanks dude |
| 05:21.11 | mhall | initech yeah i know about this |
| 05:21.14 | dendrite | npx: Maybe an [] || ... construct would work? |
| 05:21.21 | vin | time to reboot the new kernel |
| 05:21.21 | vin | later |
| 05:21.22 | npx | puff, Yep. horribly b0rken. I don't think the if statement was syntactically correct, and even if it were, it was saying "if there ARE other subdirs, print them" |
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| 05:21.28 | mhall | initech i'm in a DMZ controlled by a PIX 515 and i get to help configure it |
| 05:21.30 | initech | vin: unless you do full (data) journaling (not the default) |
| 05:21.33 | npx | Isn't || OR ? |
| 05:21.37 | mhall | initech so naturally i have "ip allow any any" |
| 05:21.53 | xam | npx: usually yes. But it can also mean "||" |
| 05:21.53 | mhall | initech which means nothing should be getting blocked by me |
| 05:22.00 | dendrite | npx: Yeah, so maybe &&... |
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| 05:22.22 | initech | mhall: well the traceroute should show where you're getting blocked |
| 05:22.27 | dendrite | npx: That would also avoid having to escape the ';' ... |
| 05:22.51 | mhall | initech i can't even get the first packet out in ipv6 |
| 05:22.57 | mhall | initech but ping6 works |
| 05:23.02 | mhall | initech it's confusing me |
| 05:23.08 | nbr1lamer | nbr1lamer said by Loadlamer |
| 05:23.14 | xam | mhall: you can also try tracepath, which uses udp & mtu discovery to do the trace |
| 05:23.20 | dendrite | puff: If you get to the point where you grok that snipped that npx put up, you'll be most of the way there. |
| 05:23.33 | initech | mhall: ping is not the same icmp message as TTL exceeded, so it's possible one's blocked and not the other |
| 05:23.37 | npx | lol yeah |
| 05:23.41 | npx | I'll make it work though puff, one sec |
| 05:24.35 | npx | puff, what are the directory names? |
| 05:24.58 | mhall | xam yeah i have tried it to |
| 05:25.01 | mhall | xam too* |
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| 05:25.20 | mhall | xam i tried using he.net before but they claimed they could not ping my endpoint |
| 05:25.29 | mhall | xam so they rejected my tunnel initiation |
| 05:25.37 | mhall | xam can you ping 138.9.255.1 |
| 05:25.46 | puff | npx Maildir |
| 05:25.55 | xam | mhall nope |
| 05:26.11 | puff | dendrite: Step one, get a bash book. |
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| 05:26.21 | jp- | puff: find . -type d | while read d; do if [ $(ls -F "$d"|grep '/'|wc -l) -eq 1 ]; then echo $d; fi; done |
| 05:26.21 | chovy | hi |
| 05:26.21 | mhall | xam see, this is weird, i can ping things with 4 and 6, but things can't ping me |
| 05:26.21 | puff | Actually, I have the oreilly bash book, I just need to read it. |
| 05:26.32 | mhall | xam yet my firewall says ip allow any any |
| 05:26.39 | dendrite | puff: The man page just about *is* a book... |
| 05:26.40 | mhall | xam so everything is supposed to go through |
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| 05:26.46 | xam | mhall: perhaps your (DSL|cable) router is in the way? |
| 05:26.55 | mhall | xam no, this is a PIX 515 |
| 05:27.09 | mhall | xam and i configured it to allow all IP both directions |
| 05:27.14 | puff | dendrite Yeah, but until I can afford a tablet form-factor laptop, a book is a lot more comfy to read at a coffeeshop. |
| 05:27.34 | chovy | i've been using gentoo, and am going to try debian. I notice when I update a pkg in gentoo it'll ask me if i want to overwrite, manually merge, or leave alone a config file. Does debian do the same kind of thing when you upgrade a pkg? |
| 05:27.41 | puff | npx: I'm basically trying to figure which users only use the box for mail,I can migrate them all over easily. |
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| 05:27.46 | xam | mhall: perhaps there is an extra setting for ICMP? I never used cisco, so I can't tell |
| 05:28.12 | mhall | xam well IP is supposed to cover everything |
| 05:28.15 | nbr1lamer | neotrace |
| 05:28.18 | nbr1lamer | ready |
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| 05:28.57 | xam | mhall: and no linux firewall? does your machine respond to pings from/to the LAN? |
| 05:29.01 | npx | npx, so username/Mail ? |
| 05:29.07 | npx | err, puff =) |
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| 05:29.26 | puff | If I want to change the UID for a user, do I need to do anything besides edit /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow and chown their home directory to the new uid? |
| 05:29.30 | kerpal23_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.30 | puff | npx username/Maildir |
| 05:29.31 | holycow | http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200411/200411280034.html <-- heh, email is dead, i'm now considered old |
| 05:29.33 | holycow | >_> |
| 05:29.37 | nbr1lamer | im i cleared to scan |
| 05:29.48 | puff | sorry, Maildir is a particular mail format, relies on atomic file operations to avoidlocking. |
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| 05:31.07 | atrus | anybody ever seen a problem where "locate -e asdfasdf" would return every single file in updatedb's database? |
| 05:31.28 | chovy | can someone tell me how debian handles conf files with apt? |
| 05:31.51 | gravity | chovy: What do you mean? |
| 05:32.01 | puff | question: What am I missing in the following: To change a user's UID: 1) edit /etc/passwd, 2) edit /etc/shadow, 3) chown user's files. |
| 05:32.02 | chovy | gravity, see my question above |
| 05:32.08 | mhall | xam i'm not using a firewall, no |
| 05:32.24 | xam | puff: /etc/group if neccessary |
| 05:32.34 | jjh | what about usermod? |
| 05:32.36 | mhall | xam i can ping it from another host on a different net at the university here |
| 05:32.43 | gravity | chovy: Oh, yeah. Debian does something similar. I don't think it'll merge the conffile for you, but it'll show you a diff and the like. |
| 05:32.47 | cat | chovy: debconf |
| 05:32.52 | gravity | chovy: It won't overwrite it without your permission |
| 05:33.00 | xam | mhall: that is strange indeed |
| 05:33.06 | puff | Hm, /etc/group uses the username. |
| 05:33.21 | chovy | gravity, i'm wondering how to merge in the lines into the new one. Gentoo has a pretty good way of handling it. |
| 05:33.42 | gravity | chovy: You do it manually in Debian. It doesn't usually try to outsmart you. |
| 05:33.50 | holycow | what gentoo does is actually quite cool, i never considered that for config files. perhaps time to consider an apt patch |
| 05:33.54 | gravity | chovy: Although there is an app that packagers are starting to use to help with the merging |
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| 05:34.33 | mhall | xam yeah something is fucked up |
| 05:34.52 | chovy | so if i use gnoppix, i get debian apt and all the good stuff too? |
| 05:35.17 | kerpal23_ | hmm i think im waiting for xorg knoppix.. |
| 05:35.17 | puff | Hm, we lost px. |
| 05:35.19 | kerpal23_ | hehehe |
| 05:35.21 | puff | npx. |
| 05:35.33 | holycow | chovy, you get the good stuff, but its still gnoppix |
| 05:35.34 | vin | "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'". I get this error when starting up X-Windows. Is the "fixed" font something that needs to be installed seperately? |
| 05:35.37 | holycow | or rather now ubuntu |
| 05:35.52 | kerpal23_ | holycow: yeah does ubunto run on cd? |
| 05:35.52 | xam | mhall: perhaps your ISP? mine started blocking incoming ICMP queries for no reason, but after a couple of months they disabled the filter again |
| 05:36.01 | puff | Are debian/gnoppix relations in the same state as debian/knoppix? |
| 05:36.05 | chovy | holycow, is that a bad thing? |
| 05:36.10 | holycow | kerpal23_, thats gnoppix actually |
| 05:36.17 | holycow | chovy, no, its just not debian |
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| 05:36.19 | kerpal23_ | ahh hmm |
| 05:36.24 | chovy | debian's site needs an upgrade |
| 05:36.31 | chovy | at least forums |
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| 05:36.38 | kaplanfx | weird |
| 05:36.44 | chovy | i'm basically looking for good support |
| 05:36.48 | chovy | one thing gentoo has a lot of |
| 05:36.55 | kaplanfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.56 | kaplanfx | Mem: 905848 251692 654156 0 22644 135524 |
| 05:36.58 | mhall | xam well i don't think they would be doing that |
| 05:37.04 | kaplanfx | that can't be correct |
| 05:37.12 | mhall | xam we have a 50-megabit to 200-megabit enterprise fiber connection |
| 05:37.12 | gravity | chovy: There are unofficial Debian forums. I think they're at debianhelp.org |
| 05:37.14 | kaplanfx | I just put 2 512's in |
| 05:37.19 | xam | mhall: okay ;) |
| 05:37.34 | gravity | chovy: Debian uses mailing lists instead though |
| 05:37.56 | chovy | gravity, ok. |
| 05:38.07 | kaplanfx | how could there only be 884 mb free |
| 05:38.21 | xam | mhall: well, here they start blocking certain ports if there is a DDOS or a new virus that is spreading around ... but that is always just a temporary measure for a couple of days |
| 05:38.24 | dondelelcaro | why should any ram be free? |
| 05:38.25 | puff | Hm, *is* there any official pay-for-play debian support? |
| 05:38.33 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: er I don't mean free |
| 05:38.35 | dondelelcaro | puff: no offical, but there are consultants. |
| 05:38.37 | puff | That is, are there any organizations that will sell you a support contract for debian? |
| 05:38.41 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: I mean total |
| 05:38.44 | kaplanfx | look at that |
| 05:38.48 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: oh, no high mem support |
| 05:38.55 | xam | kaplanfx: ahh, the old 1GB problem |
| 05:38.57 | kaplanfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.57 | kaplanfx | Mem: 884 306 578 0 25 170 |
| 05:39.02 | kaplanfx | heh |
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| 05:39.11 | kaplanfx | how do I fixen that? |
| 05:39.20 | gravity | puff: I believe HP will do it, but it seems to be more rumor than reality |
| 05:39.21 | chovy | well i guess i'll just shit my pants, dive in, and swim. |
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| 05:39.31 | stoned | kaplanfx, stop pasting here, /topic |
| 05:39.37 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: I think the non-install kernels will do that. |
| 05:39.47 | kaplanfx | stoned: I hand typed those |
| 05:39.50 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: alternatively, you can recompile them. |
| 05:39.54 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: this is a custom kernel |
| 05:40.11 | xam | kaplanfx: Use himem support (1GB-4GB). But potentially slows down apps (well, not really). I think they 'fixed' it in the latest 2.6 kernels so that you can use the full 1GB without himem support |
| 05:40.18 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: ah, then you get to recompile with CONFIG_HIGH_MEM=Y |
| 05:40.25 | kaplanfx | lemme see if I have that option selected |
| 05:40.43 | kaplanfx | why would it see 884MB? |
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| 05:41.00 | xam | kaplanfx: do you *really* want a technical answer? |
| 05:41.11 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: I can't remember exactly where the limit is, but it's basically close to 1G |
| 05:41.11 | kaplanfx | xam: uh... maybe? |
| 05:41.24 | kaplanfx | 884 is not close imho |
| 05:41.33 | xam | kaplanfx: well then search the lkml |
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| 05:41.52 | edward_ | RX bytes:21381557547925 (19.4 TiB) TX bytes:701776970463 (653.5 GiB) <-- that's 19Tb right... ? |
| 05:42.05 | Bugalugs | how do i find what primary & seconday dns im using? |
| 05:42.09 | dondelelcaro | edward_: Teribytes, yes. |
| 05:42.13 | kaplanfx | doh, CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y |
| 05:42.20 | dondelelcaro | Bugalugs: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:42.29 | xam | Bugalugs: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 05:42.47 | vin | hey, how come any of the font paths listed by default in XF86Config-4 doesn't exist. Should those be installed with xserver-xfree86? |
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| 05:43.12 | dondelelcaro | vin: no, they shouldn't. |
| 05:43.22 | stoned | why do they call it X Free |
| 05:43.34 | dondelelcaro | vin: those show up when you install fonts, like xfonts-base and the ilk. |
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| 05:44.04 | xam | dondelelcaro: those who decided to name it GibiBytes and TeriBytes should be shot. The idea is okay, the naming isn't |
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| 05:44.48 | dondelelcaro | xam: rrr... it's tebi... sory. |
| 05:44.52 | rich_ | stoned because the origional x was a different licence I think, and it wasnt really for x86 as I remember |
| 05:44.54 | vin | dondelecaro: i think defoma is installed on the system, but it doesn't seem to be working with X, which gets an error on startup saying default font "fixed" could not be loaded. Any idea where this font needs to be installed? |
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| 05:45.06 | rich_ | stoned hence "xfree86" |
| 05:45.11 | dondelelcaro | vin: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 05:45.27 | dondelelcaro | vin: or x-window-system-core |
| 05:45.39 | vin | donelecaro: ok, I |
| 05:45.46 | vin | donelecaro: ok, I'll try that, thanks |
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| 05:46.10 | dondelelcaro | !x faq |
| 05:46.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, x faq is see /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz |
| 05:46.12 | stoned | I gathered as much, I was just wondering what the thing with free was about |
| 05:46.14 | dondelelcaro | vin: and read the above. |
| 05:46.39 | dondelelcaro | stoned: basically because it was the only Free X implementation for a long time. |
| 05:46.40 | rich_ | stoned did you pay for it? |
| 05:46.53 | stoned | oh no, lol, I was just curious |
| 05:47.00 | xam | dondelelcaro: at least it is only for 1024^x where x >0 ... luckily we don't have milbibytes etc |
| 05:47.31 | dondelelcaro | xam: yeah, I think it all is pretty stupid... but whatever. |
| 05:47.36 | fpmc | what's a good hexeditor in linux? |
| 05:47.50 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: almost any editor can edit hex. |
| 05:47.51 | stoned | fpmc, apt-cache search hexeditor |
| 05:48.02 | fpmc | stoned: thanks |
| 05:48.17 | stoned | fpmc, and also what dondelelcaro |
| 05:48.20 | stoned | said |
| 05:48.29 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: hm...... I mean view file as hex? |
| 05:48.30 | dondelelcaro | ala: M-x hexl-mode or whatever |
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| 05:48.41 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: then use hexdump |
| 05:48.45 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro, xam: thanks for the tip, im rebuilding the kernel hopefully it will fix the prob |
| 05:49.02 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 05:49.16 | Ninguem | @? |
| 05:49.18 | Ninguem | op? |
| 05:49.20 | Ninguem | op? |
| 05:49.28 | stoned | Ninguem, ? |
| 05:49.36 | Xenguy | $%^&# |
| 05:49.45 | Ninguem | ? |
| 05:49.46 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 05:49.53 | Ninguem | Op |
| 05:49.55 | dondelelcaro | yeesh. stop with the punctuation already. |
| 05:49.58 | dondelelcaro | Ninguem: stop that. |
| 05:50.05 | Ninguem | sabe o que é seu fdp |
| 05:50.05 | Ninguem | @ |
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| 05:50.34 | Ninguem | porque? |
| 05:50.36 | Ninguem | n quero saber eu quero Op |
| 05:50.36 | stoned | Ninguem, no habla espanol, try #debian-es |
| 05:50.38 | Ninguem | e tá acabado |
| 05:50.40 | Ninguem | vocês são tudo uns filhos das putas |
| 05:50.41 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 05:50.41 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 05:51.00 | nbr1lamer | ::::::::::::|:::::::::::::|::::::::::::|:::::::::::::|::::::::::| seeeee |
| 05:51.01 | jcook | how do i update my initrd so that it does not load curtain modules (like vesafb, xfs, ... ) |
| 05:51.05 | stoned | lol |
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| 05:51.46 | stoned | jcook, /etc/modules |
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| 05:51.58 | Kelt^ | umm |
| 05:52.15 | Kelt^ | so when I try to boot from linux26 it says COuld not find kernel image: linux26 |
| 05:52.22 | jcook | stoned: i said initrd |
| 05:52.27 | Kelt^ | on a debian 3.0 r_2 iso |
| 05:52.37 | peterS | Kelt^: debian 3.0 r_2 does not have kernel 2.6 |
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| 05:52.44 | dondelelcaro | Kelt^: use the d-i netinst images. The 3.0 r_2 iso doesn't have 2.6 |
| 05:52.46 | manu | i get the following error while trying to compile from source ' configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check ' |
| 05:52.57 | peterS | !b-e manu |
| 05:52.57 | dpkg | manu: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 05:53.02 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 05:53.10 | Kelt^ | does the 3.0 r_2 have reiserfs support? |
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| 05:53.19 | dondelelcaro | Kelt^: no. |
| 05:53.21 | peterS | Kelt^: the 2.4 kernel does. boot with 'bf24' |
| 05:53.22 | Kelt^ | ... |
| 05:53.28 | Kelt^ | hmm |
| 05:53.33 | Kelt^ | but I'm on 3.0 r_2? |
| 05:53.36 | dondelelcaro | !reiserfs |
| 05:53.36 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 05:54.06 | takisd | hi... have a wireless issue... machine going through wireless bridge to router, but router i think is rejecting perhaps because of the bunny hop through the bridge (??) any ideas?? |
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| 05:54.12 | jcook | !initrd |
| 05:54.12 | dpkg | somebody said initrd was initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 05:54.17 | Kelt^ | ... hmm |
| 05:54.30 | Kelt^ | I forgot how to install debian... heh, it's been too long |
| 05:54.46 | Xenguy | Kelt^: hehe |
| 05:54.50 | peterS | Kelt^: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - follow links to netinst images and use one |
| 05:54.54 | dondelelcaro | takisd: hard to tell without being on the network in question. Use tcpdump at the router to see if the packets are even making it there. |
| 05:54.59 | Xenguy | Kelt^: that's a feature, not a bug ;-) |
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| 05:55.05 | peterS | Kelt^: that'll be the upcoming debian 3.1, not 3.0r2 |
| 05:55.09 | holycow | marks work warehouse runs linux on their cash registers? |
| 05:55.14 | holycow | oh fuck, this i gotta see! |
| 05:55.20 | holycow | i'm about to drop some change there :) |
| 05:55.24 | manu | reiserfs is very stable its good never had data loss due to crash |
| 05:55.41 | dondelelcaro | manu: consider yourself lucky then. |
| 05:55.42 | yhg | Hi all... having a problem getting an internal ATAPI zip drive to work. Nothing seems to have made a device node for it, although it is detected at bootup at the proper location (hdd). What do I need to do to make a device node for it, or is this a bigger problem? |
| 05:55.44 | holycow | same here manu, i've had people swear at it |
| 05:55.49 | stoned | jcook, why do you need to use initrd, just load/unload modules with /etc/modules |
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| 05:56.08 | holycow | i gotta figure out how to get reiser tto dump some data then see if i can restore it |
| 05:56.14 | jcook | stoned: dude ... do you know what initrd is? |
| 05:56.23 | stoned | jcook, like duh |
| 05:56.24 | nbr1lamer | holycow: show me the cash, how do they load OS on register, port?? |
| 05:56.26 | rich_ | Whats so interesting about reisers features? xfs is nice and solid too |
| 05:56.31 | holycow | i've restored a fucked up partition before, that was hose by me, got all data back with reiser tools |
| 05:56.33 | dondelelcaro | yhg: use MAKEDEV to make /dev/hdd etc. then |
| 05:56.37 | Kelt^ | hmm... do I suppose I shouldn't use this install cd I have eh? |
| 05:56.49 | dondelelcaro | holycow: a screwed up partition table isn't a big deal. |
| 05:56.58 | holycow | nbr1lamer, you can't be that stupid, can you? |
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| 05:57.10 | jcook | stoned: OK ... now ... read my question again ... i will "shout" the important bits i think you are missing |
| 05:57.15 | manu | i had a series of system crashes due to ups backup problem( 6 times in 10 mins) and reiser just worked fine |
| 05:57.16 | nbr1lamer | oh yes when I want you to tell all |
| 05:57.18 | stoned | no thats ok |
| 05:57.21 | stoned | i gotta go get high |
| 05:57.24 | jetscreamer | hey how do you ext3->ext2 |
| 05:57.24 | jcook | how do i update my initrd so that it DOES NOT load curtain modules (like vesafb, xfs, ... ) |
| 05:57.29 | jetscreamer | !ext3->ext2 |
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| 05:57.43 | holycow | dondelelcaro, i've wanted to really test reiser for true corruption, just don't know how |
| 05:57.57 | holycow | nbr1lamer, you are a total moron then, go away |
| 05:58.01 | jetscreamer | jcook man discover hotplug, blacklist modules, and/or edit /etc/modules |
| 05:58.14 | jcook | you bunch of tossers |
| 05:58.23 | Kelt^ | I tried reiserfs :) |
| 05:58.27 | yhg | dondelelcaro: Tried that, mount still says the device doesn't exist. Neither the man page nor the script itself mention anything about zip drives, either, whatever that means. |
| 05:58.30 | Kelt^ | and I've never had a troulbe with it |
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| 05:58.48 | streuner | Kelt^: in SuSE? |
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| 05:58.53 | jetscreamer | i tried reiser once back when it was kinda newish in debian.. scared me off |
| 05:58.57 | Kelt^ | in fact, it is what I use for all my partitions mainly |
| 05:59.03 | Kelt^ | in debian streuner |
| 05:59.07 | nbr1lamer | holycow: just haven't seen a register runnin a full up open source linxxx based program, but maye I'm still in the dark agea |
| 05:59.14 | dondelelcaro | yhg: does /dev/hdd exist? |
| 05:59.20 | dondelelcaro | yhg: and /dev/hdd4? |
| 05:59.30 | yhg | dondelelcaro: No, it doesn't |
| 05:59.38 | dondelelcaro | yhg: then you haven't run MAKEDEV properly |
| 05:59.46 | holycow | nbr1lamer, obviously your equating cash register with something out of the 1800's |
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| 06:00.00 | dondelelcaro | yhg: cd /dev; MAKEDEV hdd; ls -l /dev/hdd* |
| 06:00.02 | holycow | these days registers come in huge number of variations |
| 06:00.03 | nbr1lamer | pan of gold age my young friend |
| 06:00.08 | herbi | hey guys im having a little bit of trouble with my logrotate |
| 06:00.21 | streuner | Kelt^: well, you know what Reiser said about FS? |
| 06:00.21 | herbi | my wtmp is at 27M and logrotate isnt creating a new file |
| 06:00.22 | dondelelcaro | PoS units... blech. |
| 06:00.24 | holycow | a lot of them are simply thin clients directly tied to their purchase ordering systems in the back or whatever |
| 06:00.28 | rich_ | xfs has run steadily for me since 2001, on a laptop, which it really wasnt designed for. But the same features that make it apropriate for a high end sgi server seem to really speed up throughput on my laptop |
| 06:00.33 | herbi | andi have no idea why |
| 06:00.52 | takisd | dondelelcaro: thanks... never even thought of that |
| 06:00.58 | herbi | can anyone help? |
| 06:00.59 | yhg | dondelelcaro: I did exactly that. It's still not there. MAKEDEV has no output. |
| 06:01.07 | dondelelcaro | yhg: are you running devfs or something? |
| 06:01.19 | Kelt^ | what streuner? |
| 06:01.25 | dondelelcaro | yhg: what does mount |grep /dev; report? |
| 06:01.35 | herbi | dondelelcaro, devfs would allow him to create symlinks |
| 06:01.39 | dondelelcaro | rrr... that isn't going to do anything. |
| 06:01.47 | dondelelcaro | herbi: uh, hdd and friends aren't symlinks. |
| 06:01.54 | nbr1lamer | time for me to e-trail and study up on cash registers, like maybe I can write a script that will make all the machines pop open at a given time, or a least go Ding |
| 06:02.01 | herbi | dondelelcaro, in devfs they are :) |
| 06:02.04 | streuner | Kelt^: he said something similar like, an FS is old if you write it not new in a certain amount of time... |
| 06:02.18 | arius | I'm having trouble getting a second video card (S3 Savage IV) to go to higher than 640x480, any suggestions? |
| 06:02.28 | dondelelcaro | herbi: yes, but not how MAKEDEV makes them. |
| 06:02.32 | yhg | dondelelcaro: hard drive partitions, devpts on /dev/pts and tmpfs on /dev/shm |
| 06:03.02 | dondelelcaro | yhg: and you have /dev/hda and it's a normal node, right? |
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| 06:03.18 | herbi | yhg, run `df` ..what partition is / mounted on |
| 06:03.20 | yhg | As far as I know it's normal, yes. |
| 06:03.21 | Kelt^ | huh streuner? |
| 06:03.47 | streuner | Kelt^: use a whole sentence to expess what you want say. |
| 06:04.16 | yhg | herbi: uh? It says it's 40% full... |
| 06:04.34 | Kelt^ | are you saying i should use ext3? |
| 06:04.37 | herbi | yhg, and right at the end of the line it should say "Mounted on" |
| 06:04.45 | streuner | Kelt^: no |
| 06:04.54 | yhg | hda2 is mouted on / |
| 06:04.58 | herbi | ah ok |
| 06:05.12 | Kelt^ | what are you saying? |
| 06:05.14 | herbi | can you do a ls /dev | grep hda2 |
| 06:05.41 | yhg | Uh, yeah, it says 'hda2' |
| 06:05.49 | herbi | just hda2? |
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| 06:05.56 | yhg | Yes |
| 06:06.05 | dondelelcaro | yhg: and what does cd /dev; mknod hdd b 22 64; do? |
| 06:06.10 | herbi | then youre probably running devfs! |
| 06:06.18 | nbr1lamer | holycow: HP rp5000 look like the first one I will study up on, thanks for the tip and challenge |
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| 06:06.33 | herbi | if you dont have a /dev/hdd you probably dont have the driver for it in your kernel |
| 06:06.37 | dondelelcaro | herbi: you wanted ls -l |
| 06:06.48 | dondelelcaro | ls isn't going to do anything for you. |
| 06:06.55 | herbi | dondelelcaro, if he wasnt using devfs, it wouldve returned hda2 and hda20 |
| 06:07.00 | holycow | nbr1lamer, no worries at all :) |
| 06:07.15 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 06:07.27 | herbi | yhg, do a dmesg | grep hd |
| 06:07.31 | herbi | does anything show up for hdd? |
| 06:07.47 | streuner | Kelt^: do you use it for servers too? |
| 06:07.52 | yhg | dondelelcaro: That worked... it created the device anyway. Still doesn't mount but it sees the drive at least. Probably the disk is messed up. |
| 06:08.00 | streuner | Kelt^: do you use it for servers too? |
| 06:08.02 | herbi | lol |
| 06:08.07 | Kelt^ | yes |
| 06:08.19 | streuner | ok, then you are insane |
| 06:08.24 | Kelt^ | lol |
| 06:08.25 | herbi | yhg, it doesnt work because you created a static node in /dev when youre using devfs |
| 06:08.26 | Kelt^ | i am? |
| 06:08.50 | yhg | herbi: ... okay. |
| 06:08.58 | herbi | yhg, do dmesg | grep hdd |
| 06:09.01 | herbi | does anything come up? |
| 06:09.46 | Kelt^ | why streuner? |
| 06:10.17 | yhg | Identifies it as an Iomega ATAPI floppy, # of blocks and sector size, etc, and says VFS can't find a valid FAT fs on it. |
| 06:11.12 | streuner | Kelt^: well, i prefer an OS which makes less headaces on servers, is stable and reliable |
| 06:11.31 | Kelt^ | hmm |
| 06:13.14 | cafuego | screen: window 0: silenece for 30 seconds |
| 06:13.29 | ansong | i'm having a problem with my usb flash drive. it used to work just fine, it would show up as /dev/sda1 but now i don't have any scsi devices listed under /dev. i tried using the /dev/MAKEDEV script but although the output showed that it was creating devices, they would never show up. i discovered the reason is because i'm using something called udev see http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ . hmm, too much te |
| 06:13.29 | ansong | xt? |
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| 06:14.04 | Kelt^ | streuner, I am formatting to ext3 filesystem types |
| 06:14.26 | nbr1lamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.29 | ansong | oh, and i'm getting 404's on upgrade, someone forget to upload packages? |
| 06:14.58 | debian | next |
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| 06:15.39 | Kelt^ | is ext3 bad for servers? |
| 06:15.41 | ansong | i guess my question is: will removing udev give me any headaches? |
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| 06:17.02 | sean_micken | Kelt^, no. |
| 06:17.06 | Kelt^ | well |
| 06:17.08 | debian | !start a fs war |
| 06:17.08 | dpkg | UDF is better than NTFS!! |
| 06:17.27 | Kelt^ | why is reiserfs bad for servers? |
| 06:17.39 | sean_micken | Kelt^, hasn't been proven. |
| 06:17.45 | Kelt^ | err..\ |
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| 06:17.51 | Kelt^ | why did streuner call me insane theN? |
| 06:18.04 | debian | Kelt^: because it sux, do you like that answer? :) |
| 06:18.09 | debian | Kelt^: what OS |
| 06:18.17 | debian | Kelt^: distro, even |
| 06:18.22 | Kelt^ | no... I was hoping for something ... better |
| 06:18.24 | Kelt^ | debian. |
| 06:18.35 | Kelt^ | I'm installing debian on a server I have |
| 06:18.40 | debian | Kelt^: ok. just my very personal opinion |
| 06:18.46 | Kelt^ | and this guy just said reiserfs was bad? |
| 06:18.54 | Kelt^ | err.. that I was insane for using it for my server |
| 06:18.56 | imad | Kelt^: raiserfs uses more CPU. ext3 uses less. but Raiserfs is faster. so its upto you. if you need more IO go with raiserfs. If you want to conserve CPU stick with ext3. besides, an important thing is that you can easily convert legacy ext2 sytems to ext3 - thats not true for raiserfs.. although it can be done |
| 06:18.56 | debian | Kelt^: I've put various journalling fs to a test, as required by my job last year |
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| 06:19.17 | Kelt^ | oh okay imad... |
| 06:19.19 | TheTom | isn't mplayer in the apt-get rep? |
| 06:19.49 | herbi | how do you get numlock to turn on when X boots |
| 06:19.50 | debian | Kelt^: most failed my stress test, and reiserfs failed miseribly during journal recovering stress test |
| 06:19.55 | streuner | TheTom: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 06:20.05 | TheTom | streuner: thanx |
| 06:20.22 | Kelt^ | okay debian, well... do you think what imad said sounds good? heh |
| 06:20.27 | streuner | herbi: numlockx would be a solution |
| 06:20.31 | jm_ | herbi: try apt-cache search numlockx |
| 06:20.41 | jm_ | err numlock, but it's in unstable only |
| 06:20.42 | ansong | damn, i can't install anything |
| 06:20.46 | debian | Kelt^: the journal recovering stress test involved cool shutdown a server during its journal recovery, after cool shut it during high I/O bound load |
| 06:21.05 | debian | Kelt^: only one fs survive the test |
| 06:21.27 | Kelt^ | ntfs? heh |
| 06:21.28 | debian | Kelt^: it's your server anyway |
| 06:21.32 | herbi | ta :) |
| 06:21.35 | debian | Kelt^: hehehhe, nice try |
| 06:21.41 | Kelt^ | what fs was it debian? |
| 06:21.42 | debian | Kelt^: you use what you like |
| 06:21.50 | imad | debian: which one??! which one survived? |
| 06:21.51 | Kelt^ | yes, it's my server... and I don't want a crappy fs on it |
| 06:21.52 | debian | Kelt^: jfs. |
| 06:21.59 | debian | imad: ^^ |
| 06:22.03 | herbi | so can anyone help me with my logrotate problem? logrotate wont do anything! my wtmp is at 27M |
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| 06:22.30 | imad | true. have heard a lot about jfs. its pretty good its said. havnt tried it myself |
| 06:22.31 | herbi | streuner, any ideas? :/ |
| 06:22.37 | debian | Kelt^: also, I looked at the log and I'm a bit concern about the fact that you use journalling fs on all partition |
| 06:22.51 | debian | Kelt^: it should be staying away from at least /boot and / |
| 06:23.12 | debian | imad: I wouldn't use it on all partition, even. :) |
| 06:23.38 | imad | but really, i have been using ext3 on production servers (heavy load and critical data) for a year now. ext3 performs very well - in terms of reliability. i am going to stick with it for the time being |
| 06:23.45 | Kelt^ | hmm |
| 06:23.47 | imad | debian: why so?? |
| 06:23.52 | debian | imad: I've nothing against ext3 |
| 06:24.15 | debian | imad: you want /boot and / as simple as possible |
| 06:24.17 | cowbud | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.27 | imad | debian: why wont you use jfs on all partitions?? any particula reason? |
| 06:24.30 | sean_micken | cowbud, why? |
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| 06:24.36 | cowbud | sean_micken: grub |
| 06:24.42 | debian | imad: I think I've already told you why, no? :) |
| 06:24.47 | sean_micken | cowbud, ah yes. |
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| 06:24.57 | Xtreme72 | any1 here know java? |
| 06:25.07 | debian | imad: not only jfs, you shouldn't have journalled all partitions |
| 06:25.15 | debian | Xtreme72: it tastes good |
| 06:25.16 | yhg | Xtreme72: It's quite possible. |
| 06:25.29 | sean_micken | yeah, it is pretty tasty |
| 06:25.33 | tictac_ | Xtreme72: i think ive heard something about it. |
| 06:25.46 | debian | imad: only journal those data partition. I woudln't recommend journalling system partitions |
| 06:25.49 | imad | cowbud: hmm... interesting prespective. i never though of it in these terms. yes. it does make sense. if there are some static partitions (like boot) it can be reliably formated as ext2. will keep this in mind next time i build a server |
| 06:25.49 | sean_micken | Xtreme72, oh, creame please. |
| 06:25.56 | yhg | Lately I've been using evaporated milk with my java, instead of regular milk. It tastes pretty good. |
| 06:26.01 | debian | imad: some people even thing journalling is for big partition like /usr, blah |
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| 06:26.06 | Xtreme72 | ?? |
| 06:26.12 | Xtreme72 | lol |
| 06:26.19 | Xtreme72 | no for real... any java? |
| 06:26.23 | cowbud | imad: :) |
| 06:26.25 | Xtreme72 | im going to pay for this |
| 06:26.29 | debian | imad: /usr is READ ONLY during production run. |
| 06:26.34 | sean_micken | Xtreme72, isn't there a #java chan? |
| 06:26.34 | debian | Xtreme72: $50 |
| 06:26.38 | Xtreme72 | can't join |
| 06:26.43 | Xtreme72 | #java |
| 06:26.45 | Xtreme72 | try it |
| 06:26.49 | debian | Xtreme72: banned already? |
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| 06:26.52 | Xtreme72 | no |
| 06:26.54 | Xtreme72 | try it |
| 06:26.55 | sean_micken | Xtreme72, works fine. |
| 06:27.01 | sean_micken | Xtreme72, is your nick registered? |
| 06:27.04 | imad | rigth now i have all my partitions formated as ext3. if is use ext2 on some non-critical partitons, that will save me CPU as well!! |
| 06:27.04 | Xtreme72 | it says.. i need identification |
| 06:27.09 | Xtreme72 | no.. how do i do that? |
| 06:27.16 | debian | Xtreme72: register your nick |
| 06:27.22 | herbi | Xtreme72, this isnt #help |
| 06:27.29 | sean_micken | XaMaD__, /nickserv help |
| 06:27.29 | Xtreme72 | i do /identd on sadflkjasdf |
| 06:27.35 | cowbud | herbi: and yet you expect help here ;) |
| 06:27.49 | edison | Help, i want to wait the end of an pid and then do an command after, witch command do that ? |
| 06:27.49 | debian | imad: it's not the little saving in CPU we're care about. |
| 06:27.55 | herbi | cowbud, i expect debian related discussion and assistance here, actually. |
| 06:27.57 | cowbud | edison: ; |
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| 06:28.07 | cowbud | edison: in bash at least ls ; ls |
| 06:28.26 | edison | cowbud, the command is started |
| 06:28.26 | benjamindees | edison, ; will work, && will only do the second if the first succeeds |
| 06:28.49 | herbi | edison, you can do it like this 'command1 ; command2' or 'command1 && command2' if you want command2 to only run if command1 returns no errors |
| 06:28.59 | edison | i tried the command wait but i have to be in the same bash |
| 06:29.30 | az[a]zel | for i in `seq 1 1000`; do wget http://www.sco.com -O /dev/null; done; |
| 06:29.31 | imad | debian: you mentioned about /usr being read only in production run? never thought of that. so supposing you need to do some updates (eg security updates) you need to remount it a read/write. is that how you do it????? |
| 06:29.34 | az[a]zel | for example :) |
| 06:29.45 | debian | imad: when you need some update, rw it |
| 06:30.04 | imad | debian: cool! smart move. will remember that |
| 06:30.11 | debian | imad: /usr is supposed to be running at ro. Of course, I don't really care about it for my desktop |
| 06:30.34 | debian | imad: if you're still care about saving CPU time, it helps. :) |
| 06:30.39 | imad | debian: but what do you gain from /usr set as ro?? security? |
| 06:30.48 | MepisBelle | I think ubuntu is a Swahili baseball term. |
| 06:31.08 | debian | imad: it just doesn't need to be rw during production. I dont' think it helps much on security. :D |
| 06:31.17 | cowbud | edison: you could write a quick pidof script that just checks every second or so to see if that program is still running |
| 06:31.22 | cowbud | edison: pidof 'name' that is |
| 06:31.23 | benjamindees | isn't /usr only writable by root anyways? |
| 06:31.31 | edison | benjamindees, i know the && and ; but i need an command who wait the end of process in another bash |
| 06:31.32 | herbi | imad, its to stop people attempting to overwrite binaries, etc with trojaned copies or copies with hooks |
| 06:31.37 | debian | imad: it's not like a 1337 haxor would be stopped by a ro fs |
| 06:31.54 | edison | cowbud, i can but does exist an command ? |
| 06:32.02 | cowbud | edison: pidof 'name' yes |
| 06:32.09 | herbi | imad, of course if you gain root to a box, it does nothing at all but its still a good idea to have rw disabled |
| 06:32.14 | cowbud | check /bin/pidof |
| 06:32.17 | edison | ok |
| 06:32.29 | imad | ok guys. gotta leave. nice talking to you. catch ya later. |
| 06:32.44 | nbr1lamer | bye |
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| 06:32.55 | debian | imad: people thought journalling is for saving fsck time on /usr. Funny, just make it RO.:) |
| 06:33.17 | cowbud | edison: or for just the pid # just use awk ps auxwww | awk '{print $2}' | grep XXXX |
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| 06:33.50 | edison | cowbud, ok |
| 06:33.53 | benjamindees | if you just want to save fsck time, ext3 is more stable than reiserfs |
| 06:34.14 | kaplanfx | dondelelcaro: its reporting 1011 Mb of total memory now :) |
| 06:35.01 | nbr1lamer | fsck -F -o noclean |
| 06:35.09 | debian | benjamindees: jornalling fs for saving fsck time is like buying air ticket for the free nuts |
| 06:35.20 | TheTom | do i have to 'apt-get -f install' when i get mplayer? i get a lot od unmet dependencies |
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| 06:35.41 | debian | !tell TheTom about mplayer |
| 06:35.58 | streuner | TheTom: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:36.07 | TheTom | i did go there. added the line in my sources.list |
| 06:36.11 | edison | cowbud, well pidof return the pid of the name command, i need command like wait THE_PID && command_to_do |
| 06:36.15 | streuner | TheTom: run 'apt-get update' |
| 06:36.19 | TheTom | i did |
| 06:36.44 | streuner | TheTom: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 06:36.50 | jm_ | then you used wrong entry in sources.list |
| 06:37.07 | nbr1lamer | or permissions |
| 06:37.09 | vipersniper | what do i edit to stop the ssh sever from starting on reboot |
| 06:37.12 | edison | cowbud, but wait need PID child of the shell |
| 06:37.24 | jm_ | vipersniper: tried dpkg-reconfigure ssh ? |
| 06:37.35 | TheTom | streuner: uh.. alot of things. what are we looking for? |
| 06:37.43 | streuner | TheTom: version |
| 06:37.53 | TheTom | 2.3.2.ds1-18 |
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| 06:38.16 | streuner | TheTom: you are using unstable or testing |
| 06:38.17 | Agabus | hello anyone? |
| 06:38.21 | TheTom | testing |
| 06:38.26 | dondelelcaro | kaplanfx: yerp... sounds pretty typical. |
| 06:38.31 | kaplanfx | whoa openoffice is really mem dependent |
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| 06:38.41 | kaplanfx | it starts in less than a second now |
| 06:38.43 | streuner | TheTom: what error-message did you get (dont flood) |
| 06:38.47 | kaplanfx | it took maybe 5-10 before |
| 06:39.39 | Agabus | hey guys i was wondering if anyone could tell me if the torrents of sarge here (http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/i386/) include the rc2 debian installer? |
| 06:39.44 | mindphasr | the day i get a machine where openoffice opens in 1 second..heh. My 512meg ram athlonn 2800 it still takes almost 30 seconds |
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| 06:40.14 | TheTom | streuner: well, first of all i have to choose between a couple versions. when i try apt-get install mplayer-586 it complains about a lot of libs, like mplayer-586: Depends: libdirectfb-0.9-20 but it is not going to be installed |
| 06:40.50 | kaplanfx | mindphasr: heh, I have ooquickstarter installed |
| 06:40.56 | kaplanfx | so maybe thats its |
| 06:40.58 | mindphasr | kaplanfx: ahhh |
| 06:41.03 | kaplanfx | I guess part of it is cached all the time |
| 06:41.15 | kaplanfx | lemme close it and see how long it takes |
| 06:41.21 | streuner | TheTom: usually depends errors coming from wrong sources.lists - fix it |
| 06:41.43 | vipersniper | jm_, thanks |
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| 06:41.53 | jm_ | mindphasr: really ? I have 1.6GHz P4 with 512M and it starts in less than 10 seconds (and that's after the box has been running for over a year, including X server, so it needs to swap out some things first) |
| 06:42.05 | kaplanfx | mindphasr: about 2 seconds. I'm on a p4 3gig with 1 gig ram and a nice fast HD |
| 06:42.13 | TheTom | streuner: isn't this it: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main ? |
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| 06:42.24 | kaplanfx | jm_: a year without restarting X? |
| 06:42.28 | jm_ | kaplanfx: yeah |
| 06:42.31 | TheTom | that's what the website says |
| 06:42.31 | kaplanfx | whoa |
| 06:42.46 | mindphasr | jm_: Well thats beyond me... Running sid unstable here.. no swapping..this is with version 1.1.2. |
| 06:42.58 | rich_ | Yea, jm_ the man |
| 06:43.02 | edison | Ok i reask my question, i need an command like "wait THE_PID && command_when_end_PID" who can wait any PID even if is not a child of the current shell ? |
| 06:43.03 | cowbud | jm_: over a year ehh? What kernel are you running? |
| 06:43.07 | kaplanfx | mindphasr: ah I think I'm using 1.1.3 |
| 06:43.08 | streuner | TheTom: sure, but its also necessary to have the right lines, other than that. |
| 06:43.10 | jm_ | mindphasr: 1.1.2-5, Sarge here |
| 06:43.15 | jm_ | cowbud: 2.4.17 ;) |
| 06:43.20 | cowbud | :) |
| 06:43.39 | TheTom | streuner: well, this is a fresh install. haven't touched anything else in sources.list |
| 06:43.44 | kaplanfx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.49 | streuner | TheTom: /j #flood |
| 06:43.54 | jm_ | it has ptrace bug patched, but not the rest - although security is not a major concern here, it's at work and I would personally beat the shit of anyone that tried to mess with my box |
| 06:44.04 | jm_ | out of even |
| 06:44.47 | Agabus | is there anyone that can help me out, just a quick question about the debian rc2 installer |
| 06:44.57 | kaplanfx | jm_: most people don't like it when strangers touch their box |
| 06:45.08 | jm_ | Agabus: why use torrent when you can grab 110M ISO directly ? |
| 06:45.30 | cafuego | oh go on, matron |
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| 06:45.49 | rich_ | It's bad luck to mock security, but as a home user, Im not too worried about local security, just front line |
| 06:45.50 | Agabus | jm_ i do not have the debian o/s yet and don't have a very fast connection, so i dont wanna do a net install |
| 06:45.51 | jm_ | kaplanfx: ahh I have some mp3-s I'm sharing with samba, so plenty of people are using my services anyway |
| 06:46.06 | jm_ | Agabus: they also have a smaller image for you in that case |
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| 06:46.46 | omry_y | will dumping a reiserfs disk image of a partition in size 50gb onto a 100gb partition work? |
| 06:46.50 | Agabus | jm_: where do i get that? and does it include the o/s? |
| 06:46.52 | Kelt^ | hmm |
| 06:46.55 | Kelt^ | well here goes |
| 06:46.58 | jm_ | Agabus: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:47.18 | Kelt^ | is the fealns driver automatically included in the base install of debian? |
| 06:47.21 | mindphasr | Can someone tell me what overlay is? As in overlay support for a tv tuner card.. my tv tuner card does not have overlay support. |
| 06:47.43 | kaplanfx | net install is better than downloading the whole iso |
| 06:47.55 | cowbud | mindphasr: overlay is when the picture is sent to your video card and not first grabbed and then sent back out to the graphics card by the driver basically.. |
| 06:47.55 | kaplanfx | plus no offense but jigdo sucks |
| 06:48.09 | cowbud | hah wow that was clear.. |
| 06:48.14 | mindphasr | cowbud: Is not having overlay support the reason I seem to be unable to capture video? |
| 06:48.16 | Agabus | jm_: yeh sorry man, its just no-one is in #debian-boot to answer my question, but i wanna start the download :( |
| 06:48.25 | cowbud | mindphasr: no you should be able to capture without overlay.. |
| 06:48.39 | cowbud | mindphasr: what card is it? |
| 06:48.45 | jm_ | Agabus: what's there to answer ? grab the image, burn it, install |
| 06:48.53 | mindphasr | cowbud: ATI TV Wonder Pro |
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| 06:49.05 | Agabus | jm_ but from where? sorry to be a hassle |
| 06:49.13 | cowbud | mindphasr: and what program are you trying to use? |
| 06:49.17 | khert | anyone know how i can get a list of window id's in xwindows? |
| 06:49.19 | jm_ | Agabus: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 06:49.26 | jm_ | khert: xlsclients |
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| 06:50.35 | mindphasr | cowbud: Well, ive used them all, zapping, xawtv.. I seem to have to run them with --noxv options.. I am not sure what the XVideo extension is either.. but it wont start with it enabled |
| 06:50.49 | Agabus | jm_ yeh that leads me to the page i was at before, and my question before was do the sarge iso torrent files include the rc2 installer? and if so how many of the 14 iso's should i get? |
| 06:51.11 | cowbud | mindphasr: in your module section add Load "v4l" |
| 06:51.33 | cowbud | mindphasr: module section of XF86Config that is.. |
| 06:51.44 | mindphasr | right, brb..gonna restart X. |
| 06:51.55 | Kelt^ | Congratulations, you have successfully installed Debian! |
| 06:51.59 | Kelt^ | hahaha |
| 06:52.06 | Kelt^ | I don't remember seeing that last time |
| 06:52.10 | Kelt^ | is that new? |
| 06:52.25 | jm_ | Agabus: they're generated weekly, so yes it must be rc2 - no-one can answer the other question, it purely depends on what you want to install and where that stuff is with respect to CD layout |
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| 06:53.01 | Agabus | jm_ ok thanks for ur help mate :D cya |
| 06:53.18 | jm_ | Agabus: but once again, you don't want all those images |
| 06:53.26 | Agabus | i dont? |
| 06:53.41 | mindphasr | cowbud: Okay, have the module loaded... Still cant start it w/o disabling xvideo |
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| 06:53.49 | jm_ | no, they contain everything, you will typicially install 1 CD worth of stuff |
| 06:53.54 | nbr1lamer | khert: say X window ? again |
| 06:54.02 | jm_ | or maybe 2 |
| 06:54.11 | cowbud | mindphasr: grep your /var/log/XFree86.0.log file for v4l and see what you get.. |
| 06:54.14 | Agabus | hmm well shit, which ones should i get? just like the first 2? |
| 06:54.18 | cowbud | mindphasr: are you using the ATI driver? |
| 06:54.27 | jm_ | get the 110M image and do a netinstall |
| 06:54.37 | Agabus | netinstall won't work for me |
| 06:54.42 | jm_ | why not ? |
| 06:55.03 | Agabus | other people need to use my net connection |
| 06:55.04 | mindphasr | cowbud: I made sure it loaded.. it loaded fine. I am using the cx8800 driver.. the CVS snapshot even |
| 06:55.05 | Agabus | and its slow |
| 06:55.12 | jm_ | so they'll wait a bit |
| 06:55.18 | Agabus | hahaha |
| 06:55.23 | Agabus | they'll be waiting some time |
| 06:55.25 | jm_ | or download it overnight and install during the day |
| 06:55.35 | Kelt^ | hmm |
| 06:55.41 | Kelt^ | I wuv debian :) |
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| 06:56.00 | Agabus | indeed, but i'd rather just get the iso's so i can still use my pc while they're downloadin |
| 06:56.06 | andrew | hello |
| 06:56.24 | jm_ | that will be a huge waste of bandwith |
| 06:56.28 | Kelt^ | hmm |
