| 00:00.04 | mina_linux_Tux | directhex: ok where can i get it |
| 00:00.19 | mathieu | somcim, constantly changing software, behaviour changes, sometimes your system can get broken |
| 00:00.27 | Gideon2 | somcim: You might mess up your system and it would take an age to fix it |
| 00:00.47 | somcim | cause i'm going to install a new os and i don't want one prone to crashes but i don't want one that's ancient either |
| 00:00.48 | resiak | somcim: If the login packages break, do you know how to get in to downgrade them? Stuff like that. |
| 00:00.49 | mathieu | and you get to keep both parts :) |
| 00:01.02 | resiak | somcim: testing's not ancient, and is _fairly_ reliable. |
| 00:01.06 | directhex | !tell mina_linux_Tux about d-i |
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| 00:01.19 | somcim | so i shouldn't go with woody? |
| 00:01.34 | bob2 | no, then you'll complain that it's 'ancient' |
| 00:02.08 | somcim | i just want a fairly stable but fairly new release, which one should i get? |
| 00:02.14 | Spark | sarge |
| 00:02.16 | hettar | somcim: unstable rarely crashes. However if you update all the time sometime you can have problems with dependancies |
| 00:02.22 | resiak | somcim: testing. |
| 00:02.29 | resiak | somcim: aka sarge. |
| 00:02.32 | bob2 | somcim: ubuntu |
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| 00:02.46 | toad_ | does sid's firefox no longer support SVG? |
| 00:02.55 | bob2 | toad_: nothing in the changelog? |
| 00:02.55 | somcim | what do you mean by "problems with dependencies" |
| 00:03.06 | toad_ | bob2: no idea, how to find out? |
| 00:03.17 | JoshTriplett | somcim: Like a package being uploaded before its dependencies are available. |
| 00:03.23 | bob2 | toad_: less /usr/share/doc/mozilla-firefox/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 00:03.29 | bob2 | somcim: stuff is regularily not installable |
| 00:03.30 | JoshTriplett | somcim: Or someone accidentally building packages against experimental, so they are uninstallable. |
| 00:03.32 | bob2 | or upgradable |
| 00:03.52 | hettar | I wouldn't say regularly. It harldy ever happens to me |
| 00:03.56 | somcim | what does that all mean? |
| 00:04.03 | bob2 | somcim: that you shouldn't use sid |
| 00:04.11 | toad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.11 | toad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.12 | bob2 | if you don't understand what it is, you won't be able to fis it |
| 00:04.13 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 00:04.16 | JoshTriplett | somcim: It means you'd need to be very good with the package manager, performing holds, downgrading, etc. |
| 00:04.25 | JoshTriplett | somcim: So don't start out with it. |
| 00:04.35 | somcim | but what makes sarge "testing"/ |
| 00:04.36 | somcim | ? |
| 00:04.45 | jbr | somcim: seen http://www.debian.org/releases ? |
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| 00:05.04 | Gideon2 | somcim: Be more precise |
| 00:05.39 | directhex | somcim, the fact that it's had some basic testing applied to it, in preparation for an actual release at an indeterminate date in the future |
| 00:05.47 | toad_ | hmmm, most annoying... oh well, they may be right (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=259544) |
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| 00:06.35 | somcim | one page on debian says that the stable version was released on 2004, and the other page says it was released on 2002? |
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| 00:06.53 | bob2 | somcim: the first one is lying |
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| 00:06.58 | Smerdyakov | What's the standard way to tell the return value of a process run at a UNIX command line? |
| 00:07.00 | JoshTriplett | tarzeau: Did they ever fix the Hurd bug where it hung if you touched the keyboard during boot? |
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| 00:07.05 | JoshTriplett | Smerdyakov: echo $? |
| 00:07.09 | bob2 | Smerdyakov: $? |
| 00:07.25 | JoshTriplett | Smerdyakov: (I know several people who put $? in their prompt if non-zero.) |
| 00:07.26 | jackster | any good performance monitoring tools anyone knows of, for monitoring CPU/Mem/load/etc over a longer period (days) of time? |
| 00:07.27 | Gideon2 | Smerd: $status works for me |
| 00:07.37 | Walker | Hey, I've got a painfully n00bish question if any of you are willing to help me out? |
| 00:07.42 | JoshTriplett | jackster: mrtg or similar snmp tool? |
| 00:07.42 | somcim | when was the stable version released? |
| 00:07.45 | Gideon2 | Walker: shoot |
| 00:07.55 | jbr | somcim: woody = 3.0 came out in 2002; the last update to stable was the recent 3.0r3 point-release |
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| 00:08.07 | bob2 | somcim: july 19 2002 |
| 00:08.10 | Smerdyakov | Thanks. |
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| 00:08.34 | jonesy | Walker, shoot. |
| 00:08.37 | somcim | when was 3.0r3 released? |
| 00:08.38 | Walker | Well, see, I just installed Debian (3.0r3) a minute ago, and I'm wondering why the heck I can't access the X windows system. There's undoubtedly a painfully obvious answer, but all I've been able to find is to type in xf86config, which doesn't work. |
| 00:08.39 | jackster | JoshTriplett, i mean more-so towards CPU/Ram/load utilization over a period of time |
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| 00:08.53 | jonesy | startx |
| 00:09.08 | lex | X Server Starting |
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| 00:09.15 | bob2 | somcim: it changed nothing |
| 00:09.19 | bob2 | (Except securitty bugs) |
| 00:09.21 | Walker | cannot open shared object file: no such object or directory. |
| 00:09.35 | jonesy | is X configured? |
| 00:09.38 | somcim | is there any reason to use woody? |
| 00:09.39 | linux-newbe | Walker: I've got the same issue. I can get knoppix to run on my box but can't get X server to srat in a straight woody 3.0r3 config |
| 00:09.41 | JoshTriplett | Walker: Give the exact text: what shared object file? |
| 00:09.44 | bob2 | Walker: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 00:09.48 | JoshTriplett | Walker: Also, is the x-window-system metapackage installed? |
| 00:09.51 | bob2 | somcim: if you want a stable release |
| 00:09.56 | Walker | libXmuu.so.1 |
| 00:10.04 | Gideon2 | somcim: I am using woody. Works for me |
| 00:10.13 | somcim | but should i get woody or sarge? |
| 00:10.25 | Gideon2 | somcim: It depends on your precise needs |
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| 00:10.31 | Walker | So, what is libXmuu.so.1 and how does one create the file? |
| 00:10.35 | bob2 | somcim: if you use hyperbole like 'ancient' to describe things which are 2 years old, sarge or ubuntu |
| 00:10.38 | bob2 | Walker: you don't create it |
| 00:10.44 | bob2 | Walker: install x-window-system-core |
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| 00:10.56 | terr | how safe is it to upgrade to sarge from woody. DO I have to reboot after? What if I don't reboot? |
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| 00:11.05 | Walker | too few arguments, bob2. |
| 00:11.14 | bob2 | Walker: use some common sense, Walker |
| 00:11.15 | somcim | i have no experience with linux other than knoppix and i'm trying to figure out which version to use so that it is nearly impossible for me to screw something up? |
| 00:11.20 | bob2 | terr: sarge is newer than woody |
| 00:11.23 | bob2 | somcim: ubuntu |
| 00:11.38 | goodell | Walker: apt-get... |
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| 00:11.50 | terr | bob2 I know that. sarge is almost ready to become stable. |
| 00:11.54 | bob2 | Walker: "install" is a verb |
| 00:12.00 | bob2 | terr: misread you, sorry |
| 00:12.04 | bob2 | terr: you don't have to reboot |
| 00:12.06 | Walker | ...Eh. Whoops. |
| 00:12.16 | bob2 | terr: but do so anyway |
| 00:12.25 | somcim | if sarge is almost ready to be stable, then should i go ahead and use it? |
| 00:12.26 | terr | bob2 I'm just wondering if the upgrade can glitch and leave me without a machine to work on. |
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| 00:12.34 | bob2 | terr: of course |
| 00:12.37 | bob2 | somcim: if you want |
| 00:12.46 | bob2 | somcim: are you just ignoring all the people talking to you, or what? |
| 00:12.57 | xam | somcim: basically all new packages come into 'unstable' (aka 'sid'). Those packages are not well tested. They remain there until all major bugs are ironed out and it compiles/works on all supported platforms. If no new major bug has been discovered for ten days for a package, it then enters 'testing'. Well, every now when they are about to release a new 'stable' release, they freeze... |
| 00:12.59 | xam | ...'testing' (ie. no new packages come in from unstable) and is brought into a shape that is consistent, has no noteworthy bugs and can be installed on all platforms without problems. Then the packages of the 'frozen testing' become the new 'stable', and they unfreeze testing again. Right now 'testing' (sarge) is frozen, and when all remaining bugs are fixed, sarge will become the new 'stable' |
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| 00:13.05 | terr | bob2 if there are changes to the kernel - how do they swtich a running kernel on the fly? |
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| 00:13.25 | somcim | what kind of bugs? |
| 00:13.39 | bob2 | terr: they don't |
| 00:13.40 | xam | somcim: sarge will become stable when it's ready. There is no real date |
| 00:13.45 | bob2 | terr: you upgrade the kernel manually |
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| 00:13.49 | bob2 | for that exact reason |
| 00:13.59 | Walker | Well, next n00b question: how do I install x-window-system-core on debian? A quick google shows i can download them, but I am unaware of how to get an internet browser working on Debian without a gui and all. |
| 00:14.08 | hettar | somcim: If you are unsure of which debian release to use then you would probably be better of using something like mepis which is based on debian but easier to install/configure |
| 00:14.10 | resiak | Walker: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
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| 00:14.21 | resiak | Walker: (as root.) Then man apt-get, man dpkg, read read read! |
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| 00:14.23 | terr | bob2 so what you are telling me then is that apt will not upgrade the kernel - just the packages. |
| 00:14.25 | psycose | i use kernel 2.6.8, and set the following modules "IP Netfilter configuration=> Log Target support" to be able to see network log in my firewall, it work but logs also appears in all non graphic console (ttyX), when i set Ulog & ulogd it don't work. any tips ? the firewall is firestarter thanks |
| 00:14.33 | somcim | how hard is it to install debian? |
| 00:14.41 | terr | somcim very easy. |
| 00:14.42 | bob2 | terr: yes, since breaking your kernel is fucked |
| 00:14.46 | xam | somicim: dependency bugs, bugs that only occur on some platforms/hardware, minor annoyances that most people could live with, but that are not acceptable for a 'stable' release |
| 00:14.50 | bob2 | somcim: just use ubuntu and stop obsessing |
| 00:14.51 | linux-newbe | can anyone help with the follow X server problem: I can't get X server to run, error message is: AddScree/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 00:14.51 | JoshTriplett | psycose: man dmesg |
| 00:14.52 | bob2 | or sarge |
| 00:15.00 | psycose | thanks JoshTriplett |
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| 00:15.14 | somcim | how minor? |
| 00:15.16 | hettar | somcim: The newer installs are easy however you sill need to do a lot of manual configuration to get a good system running |
| 00:15.36 | JoshTriplett | hettar: Not necessarily. |
| 00:15.40 | MepisBelle | ubuntu is Swahili for a baseball play. |
| 00:15.41 | thingfish | somcim: very easy, using debian-installer |
| 00:15.49 | thingfish | lol MepisBelle |
| 00:15.52 | MrKeuner | hi there, is there a way to accumulate a list of files in the system(or at a path) that were not put there by dpkg? |
| 00:15.56 | Walker | Hmm...'E: subprocess /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)' when I entered that, I'm afraid. |
| 00:16.00 | JoshTriplett | hettar: If you just install the kde or gnome metapackage, most things just work. |
| 00:16.05 | bob2 | MepisBelle: no |
| 00:16.06 | somcim | xam: how minor? |
| 00:16.10 | JoshTriplett | MrKeuner: cruft. |
| 00:16.12 | bob2 | Walker: no, that's not the error |
| 00:16.14 | MepisBelle | bob2: Yes |
| 00:16.17 | MepisBelle | lol |
| 00:16.18 | bob2 | Walker: scroll up and paste to #flood |
| 00:16.27 | hettar | JoshTriplett: Oh I agree. but by good I mean running like you want it running |
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| 00:16.40 | JoshTriplett | hettar: Depends on what you want running. :) |
| 00:16.47 | Walker | In a bit, I'm afraid I must go for now, thank you for the help you have given so far |
| 00:16.53 | xam | somcim: minor like 'this option does not work correctly', but it is easy to work around |
| 00:16.55 | JoshTriplett | hettar: Which is exactly the problem. |
| 00:16.57 | hettar | JoshTriplett: Maybe I'm just fussy then :-) |
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| 00:17.13 | JoshTriplett | hettar: I would have to do just as much configuration on an ubuntu system to get it running the way my Debian system does. |
| 00:17.41 | Matalo | hi what should i do to creat own dvd image of debian i am trying jigdo_easy for windows and cannot figure it out please help |
| 00:17.55 | MepisBelle | WHy would someone already running debian want to move to ubuntu? |
| 00:18.04 | MrKeuner | thanks JoshTriplett |
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| 00:18.04 | somcim | are the "minor bugs" anything that a normal user and not a debian hacker run into? |
| 00:18.05 | hettar | JoshTriplett: Maybe you are fussy too then. I know I have had to do it for every system I have tried. |
| 00:18.08 | linux-newbe | bob2: any interest in helping w/ an other X server problem? |
| 00:18.23 | bob2 | linux-newbe: your nick is stupid |
| 00:18.27 | bob2 | and just ask your question |
| 00:18.33 | bob2 | and don't address invidividuals |
| 00:18.46 | krem | hi, i'm looking for changing man page scrolling, I would like to go back on man pages... |
| 00:18.54 | Matalo | hi what should i do to creat own dvd image of debian i am trying jigdo_easy for windows and cannot figure it out |
| 00:18.56 | JoshTriplett | krem: apt-get install less |
| 00:19.02 | xam | somcim: see bugs.debian.org to see the different levels of 'severeness' that a bug can have |
| 00:19.03 | krem | && |
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| 00:19.07 | linux-newbe | i get the following error when doing startx: AddScreenInit failer for driver 0 |
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| 00:19.12 | bob2 | Matalo: keep repeating |
| 00:19.16 | JoshTriplett | Matalo: I think there's a bittorrent for the DVD as well. |
| 00:19.21 | bob2 | Matalo: since once is obviously not enough |
| 00:19.22 | JoshTriplett | Matalo: And raw images. |
| 00:19.36 | somcim | since woody is about to become obsolete i should just switch to sarge? |
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| 00:19.38 | JoshTriplett | bob2: You aren't exactly in a helping mood today, are you? :) |
| 00:19.54 | Matalo | but what option should i choose because it always downloads normal cd version |
| 00:19.55 | bob2 | I'm in an 'annoyed at people being idiots' mood |
| 00:20.06 | bob2 | the world is lacking a lot of common sense |
| 00:20.24 | bob2 | which does mean I should fuck off |
| 00:20.24 | xam | somcim: yes, a user might run into minor bugs ... perhaps not the average user, but more advanced ones |
| 00:20.25 | hettar | bob2: Thats because dumb people breed faster then smart people |
| 00:20.26 | krem | thanks JoshTriplett, I didn't think that was so simple |
| 00:20.36 | MepisBelle | bob2: Seriously - why would someone already running debian want to move to ubuntu? |
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| 00:20.53 | xam | somcim: bugs that are discovered by newbies are considered to be major enough to be fixed asap |
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| 00:20.54 | ledet | bob2: it's not called "idiots" now a days... it's called "mentally challenged" |
| 00:20.59 | bob2 | MepisBelle: to get porn on their desktop |
| 00:21.07 | hettar | hahah |
| 00:21.18 | somcim | since my mom cancelled our internet connection and i'm going to run out by midnight. which image should i get? |
| 00:21.31 | Rez | hrm, how many more programs does debian need to track menstrual calendars? |
| 00:21.35 | MepisBelle | bob2: Well - if that's your idea of a serious response - ok. |
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| 00:21.37 | bob2 | if you're happy with debian, stay with it |
| 00:21.41 | psycose | JoshTriplett you was thinking about syslog configuration ? |
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| 00:21.50 | doub | hi there |
| 00:21.59 | jonesy | does anyone know of any utils for converting dvd rips to mpeg? |
| 00:22.01 | bob2 | if you want 6 montly releases, and a commitment to sane defaults and Just Working, try ubuntu |
| 00:22.03 | thingfish | who is considering moving from debian to ubuntu? that's silly. |
| 00:22.05 | JoshTriplett | psycose: No, just turning up the minimum severity required for a message to get to the console. |
| 00:22.09 | bob2 | JoshTriplett: warez-tools |
| 00:22.11 | JoshTriplett | psycose: dmesg -n |
| 00:22.15 | thingfish | unless you can't get debian configured like you want. |
| 00:22.25 | Gideon2 | doub: Welcome |
| 00:22.26 | xam | somcim: well, get a sarge debian-installer image (either the >10 CDs or the DVDs) |
| 00:22.28 | MepisBelle | bob2: But I can get that without ubuntu. |
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| 00:22.43 | vile_maxim | I moved my cd burner from hdc to hdb and now nautilus-cd-burn won't work... Any clue why? |
| 00:22.43 | somcim | since my internet connection is running out tonight. which version should i get. or should i go with another distro? |
| 00:22.43 | bob2 | MepisBelle: with lots of fucking around, duh |
| 00:22.46 | MepisBelle | bob2: But thx. |
| 00:22.54 | xam | somcim: well, you only need the first (and perhaps second) CD anyway |
| 00:22.58 | bob2 | so nto in the mood to be trolled by dickheads |
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| 00:23.01 | MepisBelle | bob2: Not so - I guarantee |
| 00:23.04 | doub | jonesy: depends what you mean by "dvd rip". mplayer or transcode can help |
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| 00:23.16 | bob2 | MepisBelle: really? so you can use sound from your inital user in sarge? |
| 00:23.19 | bob2 | oh, wait, you can't? |
| 00:23.22 | bob2 | how about video? |
| 00:23.23 | Gideon2 | somcim: Give sarge a whirl |
| 00:23.31 | bob2 | how about having usb device aut-mounted? |
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| 00:23.42 | doub | jonesy: s/mplayer/mencoder |
| 00:23.43 | JoshTriplett | bob2: Actually, I think debian-installer puts you in some of the groups now. |
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| 00:23.48 | bob2 | oh, ok |
| 00:23.50 | hettar | somcim: Use mepis. You don't sound like you have the experience to solve problems on your own get ubuntu or mepis |
| 00:23.50 | thingfish | something tells me that bob2 is having issues. |
| 00:23.57 | JoshTriplett | bob2: At least cdrom, possibly others; /me hasn't checked lately. |
| 00:23.58 | bob2 | bah |
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| 00:24.00 | MepisBelle | No - but Mepis can - as well as ub untu |
| 00:24.02 | son | hi, can someone help me ....? |
| 00:24.04 | jonesy | doub: i've used dvdbackup to rip a dvd, but I want to convert it to mpeg so I can play it on my notebook. |
| 00:24.05 | thingfish | poor dear |
| 00:24.09 | Matalo | JoshTriplett: and could you tell me some website for bittorrent searching |
| 00:24.16 | son | i'm workin on a traduction of an english text ... |
| 00:24.17 | JoshTriplett | Matalo: Hang on one moment. |
| 00:24.18 | thingfish | he was all bothered |
| 00:24.24 | psycose | ok well because i thought "ulog" module & ulogd was better than "log", and i does not succeed to make them work ... thanks |
| 00:24.29 | xam | somcim: DONT FUCKING PRIVTMSG ME |
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| 00:24.32 | son | and i'd like to have an explanation of a word, if possible ... |
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| 00:24.39 | vile_maxim | Matalo, suprnova.org |
| 00:24.42 | thingfish | you're working on a traduction? |
| 00:24.46 | xam | somcim: I already told you, try sarge |
| 00:24.47 | son | yeah ... |
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| 00:24.51 | jbr | son: that's "translation" in English, but it sounds off-topic |
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| 00:24.53 | thingfish | you mean translation |
| 00:24.54 | Matalo | JoshTriplett: thnx |
| 00:24.55 | JoshTriplett | thingfish: (translation: translation). :) |
| 00:25.00 | thingfish | I know lol |
| 00:25.03 | son | scuse me .. ;) |
| 00:25.06 | thingfish | :) |
| 00:25.11 | tell | !moron jbr |
| 00:25.12 | dpkg | jbr: You are moron #77 |
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| 00:25.17 | toad_ | how long would it take for me to install bochs, install a nano-debian within bochs, including some sort of X, install mozilla, install annoying proprietary drivers, try them? |
| 00:25.26 | toad_ | a long time i suppose... hmmm |
| 00:25.33 | JoshTriplett | toad_: Probably more than a day. |
| 00:25.34 | son | the text's called "gangwar in cyberspace" ... |
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| 00:25.37 | Matalo | JoshTriplett: SuprNova.org will be down for the next few hours due to technical isues. |
| 00:25.37 | Matalo | Please STAY TUNED! |
| 00:25.47 | JoshTriplett | toad_: I'd suggest qemu if you want any reasonable speed. |
| 00:25.52 | doub | jonesy: try mencoder |
| 00:25.53 | Matalo | JoshTriplett: do you have some other site ;) |
| 00:26.00 | hettar | toad_: probably not as long as it took me to install OSX on pearps :-) |
| 00:26.04 | JoshTriplett | Matalo: I didn't suggest suprnova. :) |
| 00:26.06 | son | can you tell me what means "scarfing down" ...? |
| 00:26.06 | bahbah | Matalo: I'm pretty sure idiot warez sites are off-topic |
| 00:26.08 | JoshTriplett | Matalo: One moment. :) |
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| 00:26.16 | JoshTriplett | Matalo: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 00:26.48 | son | like in "sarfing down a quick supper" ... |
| 00:26.53 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 00:26.55 | tell | i'd dare to bet that i have the coolest debian box of us all |
| 00:26.59 | toad_ | well I need to view an SVG file |
| 00:27.09 | toad_ | and I don't think that the free editor got everything from it |
| 00:27.12 | resiak | toad_: apt-cache search svg ? |
| 00:27.17 | Gideon2 | tell: one box to cool them all |
| 00:27.26 | toad_ | inkscape |
| 00:27.33 | JoshTriplett | son: It means "eat", but with a connotation of really gulping/wolfing down food. (And as someone else said, that's rather off topic. :) ) |
| 00:27.38 | toad_ | I opened it but it was only some blobs and a scale |
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| 00:27.45 | toad_ | whereas I'm pretty sure it should have full mapping detail |
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| 00:28.05 | toad_ | and I don't want to have to install the adobe svg viewer.. at least not without a wall between me and it.. |
| 00:28.05 | doub | toad_: i bet you won't be able to try your drivers for your host hardware in an emulator |
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| 00:28.18 | JoshTriplett | toad_: Address for the SVG? |
| 00:28.25 | son | thx ... :) |
| 00:28.29 | toad_ | http://www.andylaurence.co.uk/Wardrive20040817.svg |
| 00:28.49 | psycose | JoshTriplett ok thanks |
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| 00:28.57 | dondelelcaro | toad_: your site is giving out a bad Content-Type: |
| 00:29.03 | toad_ | i know :( |
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| 00:29.19 | son | sorry for coming here but it's the first server where i was sure to find english people ... :) |
| 00:29.24 | JoshTriplett | son: :) |
| 00:29.35 | tell | tarzeau compiling nel takes a while.. |
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| 00:29.51 | tarzeau | tell: you could've taken the binaries ;) |
| 00:29.52 | son | can ;you indicate me a chan where i'll don't disturb anybody ...? |
| 00:29.54 | dondelelcaro | toad_: Content-Type: application/octet-stream is totally wrong. It should be Content-Type: image/svg+xml |
| 00:29.55 | Gideon2 | Pardon? Je suis francaisd |
| 00:29.58 | Matalo | JoshTriplett, hmmm but i am looking for dvd and there ar links only for cd |
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| 00:30.02 | toad_ | nod, it's not my site |
| 00:30.04 | nvz | Gideon2: #debian-fr |
| 00:30.05 | xam | son: I'm not english |
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| 00:30.09 | dondelelcaro | toad_: *shrug* then you're boned. |
| 00:30.11 | JoshTriplett | Matalo: AFAIK, there are no DVD images for stable. |
| 00:30.16 | JoshTriplett | Matalo: I think there are for testing. |
| 00:30.20 | toad_ | I saved it |
| 00:30.21 | dondelelcaro | toad_: download the image and view it using firefox. |
| 00:30.25 | xam | son: and I doubt most people here are from england either |
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| 00:30.30 | toad_ | dondelelcaro: not the firefox in debian |
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| 00:30.32 | son | i know, i was just searching for people speaking english ... :) |
| 00:30.34 | toad_ | that no longer has SVG support |
| 00:30.36 | resiak | directhex: You missed the bit where SVG has been removed from FF in sid ;) |
| 00:30.42 | resiak | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
| 00:30.45 | resiak | directhex: Sorry. |
| 00:30.48 | tell | son we only use newspeak |
| 00:31.00 | son | newspeak ...? |
| 00:31.01 | somcim | is stable and testing defined only by the packages? |
| 00:31.02 | tell | son like bush wants us too |
| 00:31.21 | bahbah | somcim: packages don't know where they came from |
| 00:31.24 | tell | see? |
| 00:31.26 | dondelelcaro | toad_: so use display |
| 00:31.40 | bahbah | somcim: but yes |
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| 00:31.47 | bahbah | somcim: and the upload policy |
| 00:31.50 | directhex | gimp-svg package will make gimp like svg. in theory. |
| 00:31.57 | sean_micken | hmm.. i've installed and modprobed the nvidia driver, but xfree says it doesn't exist when i try to use it? |
| 00:32.00 | toad_ | woah |
| 00:32.01 | toad_ | thanks |
| 00:32.09 | toad_ | display does svg... better than inkscape does... |
| 00:32.12 | JoshTriplett | toad_: Mozilla (the suite) works fine here. |
| 00:32.19 | directhex | sean_micken, you installed the nvidia-glx package, and compiled an nvidia kernel module? |
| 00:32.29 | nvz | the mozilla suite is so ugly |
| 00:32.37 | sean_micken | directhex, oh yeah.. forgot about nvidia-glx .. thanks :) |
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| 00:32.46 | somcim | since debian is always being upgraded. is there ever going to be a final version? |
| 00:32.52 | directhex | sean_micken, seing as that's the package with the actual drivers in it... |
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| 00:32.57 | tell | !moron somcim |
| 00:32.57 | dpkg | somcim: You are moron #51 |
| 00:32.58 | nvz | It hasnt changed a lick in ages.. still looks worse than most tk apps *gasp* |
| 00:33.00 | resiak | somcim: Is there ever going to be a final version of Window?! |
| 00:33.10 | resiak | s/Window/Windows/ |
| 00:33.13 | dondelelcaro | somcim: Debian just does releases periodically. |
| 00:33.14 | directhex | somcim, there are stable releases. such as woody, potato, rex, buzz, bo, slink |
| 00:33.16 | JoshTriplett | nvz: /me uses a theme that perfectly matches KDE with Plastik. |
| 00:33.17 | bahbah | tell: no |
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| 00:33.18 | Gideon2 | somcim: Not until people get tired of it. Could be centuries |
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| 00:33.37 | tk_ | hi, i'm new to debian and am having problems getting the x server to run. x-windows-system-core is installed |
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| 00:33.47 | somcim | i'm just trying to figure out if i should go with woody or sarge? |
| 00:33.57 | nvz | tk_: install x windows |
| 00:33.59 | nvz | 4~3~1~-0~~0~~87~ |
| 00:34.04 | JoshTriplett | tk_: You might trying installing x-window-system. |
| 00:34.12 | resiak | somcim: We've told you _so_ _many_ _times_ to go with sarge, or even ubuntu. |
| 00:34.23 | pipeline | somcim: You should give sarge a shot. If you have problems, fall back to woody. |
| 00:34.28 | Gideon2 | somcim: I suggest you go with sarge |
| 00:34.30 | thingfish | or mepis, it's easy |
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| 00:34.34 | nvz | !depends x-window-system-core |
| 00:34.35 | pipeline | somcim: Sarge is so close to being stable, it's unlikely you'll run into problems. |
| 00:34.40 | dpkg | x-window-system-core: depends on xserver-xfree86, xlibmesa-dri, xlibmesa-gl, xlibmesa-glu, xfonts-base (>> 4.0), xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-75dpi, xfonts-scalable, xbase-clients, xutils |
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| 00:35.04 | tell | somcim : i've you're frightened about using sarge.. better stick with windows |
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| 00:35.24 | tk_ | JoshTriplett: it is already installed. i think the problem is with video config |
| 00:35.26 | JoshTriplett | nvz: Hmmm; that's wrong. |
| 00:35.34 | nvz | tk_: reading the log helps.. probable tells you that you do not have something you need like xterm |
| 00:35.38 | JoshTriplett | nvz: x-window-system depends on x-window-system-core for most of that. |
| 00:35.47 | JoshTriplett | nvz: Oh, sorry. :( |
| 00:35.54 | JoshTriplett | nvz: misread. |
| 00:35.59 | bahbah | nvz: no it doesn't |
| 00:36.00 | bahbah | lord |
| 00:36.00 | doub | tell: there are alternatives between windows and sarge, AFAIK |
| 00:36.06 | Walker | Hey, I've also got a problem with Xwindows, when I try installing x-window-system-core, it gives me a nasty error message. |
| 00:36.07 | nvz | JoshTriplett: nope its right |
| 00:36.14 | bahbah | if you're going to be useless, just don't say anything |
| 00:36.19 | somcim | ok, i'll go with sarge. but how easy to install is debian to install compared to other distros. i've noticed knoppix has autodetection for some software. so should i stick with debian because it is tried and true, or should i go with another distro? |
| 00:36.19 | JoshTriplett | nvz: RIght; /me just misread. |
| 00:36.20 | xam | somcim: unless you are running a production server and you are responsible of a >100 node cluster and several corporate webservers, database and file servers, I'd suggest you can safely try testing (=sarge). Soon enough woody will be replaced by sarge as the new stable release anyway |
| 00:36.22 | tell | doub : i dare to disagree |
| 00:36.22 | tk_ | nvz: the log error is: AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
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| 00:36.33 | nvz | bahbah: what the hell are you talking about? |
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| 00:36.54 | bahbah | nvz: 'eading the log helps.. probable tells you that you do not have something you need like xterm' |
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| 00:37.02 | JoshTriplett | somcim: Sarge is pretty easy. |
| 00:37.03 | bahbah | no, X will never fail to start because of missing xterm |
| 00:37.04 | doub | tell: that's a point of view :) |
| 00:37.04 | tell | doub: for a lot of fancy things, woody is simply useless |
| 00:37.06 | bahbah | and it will not log about it |
| 00:37.10 | Gideon2 | Walker: What is the error messge? |
| 00:37.13 | Walker | Can anyone help me? I'm posting the error message I get when I try installing x-window-system-core in #flood |
| 00:37.14 | JoshTriplett | somcim: Autodetection is far better than in woody. |
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| 00:37.23 | tell | doub: windows is better then woody, that's for sure |
| 00:37.31 | nvz | bahbah: yeah thats accurate help moron, when X doesnt start read the log.. and yes X wont start without something to run.. either a terminal emulator or something |
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| 00:37.40 | xam | somcim: arglll. Unless you don't try it out yourself you'll never know. In the time we've discussed all this you could have downloaded,installed and erased debian woody,sarge AND sid |
| 00:37.43 | PerfDave | tell: That's a matter of opinion :) |
| 00:37.45 | bahbah | nvz: /whois, idiot |
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| 00:37.52 | kbrooks | meh. hi |
| 00:37.53 | nvz | bahbah: /ignore nvz |
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| 00:37.57 | nvz | bahbah: or be removed |
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| 00:38.16 | somcim | but how easy is sarge to install for someone who has no linux experience? |
| 00:38.18 | kbrooks | FFS |
| 00:38.23 | voldy | i just discovered that for some strange reason, I have a bunch of filenames ending in spaces. how can I strip those spaces from the filenames? |
| 00:38.26 | doub | tell: i tend to agree that woody is useless for desktop users |
| 00:38.33 | JoshTriplett | somcim: Moderate. |
| 00:38.35 | Gideon2 | vold: Using mv |
| 00:38.37 | thingfish | somcim: do what people are suggesting and go with mepis or ubuntu. |
| 00:38.38 | tell | PerfDave : no, woody can't handle a lot of things, for which u need unstable or testing packages and stuff. that's a fact |
| 00:38.44 | bahbah | voldy: 'rename'. |
| 00:38.50 | JoshTriplett | somcim: I personally installed Woody, with minimal GNU/Linux experience. |
| 00:38.54 | tell | doub: right |
| 00:38.58 | JoshTriplett | somcim: (And lots of patience.) |
| 00:39.01 | doub | tell: but it's not its purpose, it's there for systems that need to be stable, like servers |
| 00:39.10 | bahbah | nvz: X will not fail with a hardware error if xterm is not installed |
| 00:39.18 | Atholas | somcim: sarge is pretty easy to install. I tried it with the debian installer. |
| 00:39.18 | doub | tell: that doesnt mean it's not outdated in many respects, either |
| 00:39.23 | tell | doub: there is no purpose |
| 00:39.23 | Walker | Hmm, Woody is useless for desktops? Would you recommend Sarge for desktop use? |
| 00:39.24 | bahbah | nvz: if it does quit because xterm is not installed, it will not log anaything at all |
| 00:39.29 | somcim | is sarge as easy to use as knoppix? |
| 00:39.37 | bahbah | woody is useless for whiney desktop users |
| 00:39.40 | bahbah | just use sarge |
| 00:39.45 | JoshTriplett | Walker: I used it for quite a while; it isn't nearly as comfortable, though. But it works. |
| 00:39.45 | tell | doub: linux aint a company with aims to make profit |
| 00:39.45 | Walker | Heh, fair enough. |
| 00:39.53 | bahbah | somcim: in the time you've wasted here, you could have installed sarge by now |
| 00:39.58 | kbrooks | I use debian for normal desktop usage. |
| 00:39.59 | tell | doub: it just develops according too needs |
| 00:40.01 | bahbah | and be answering these questions yourself |
| 00:40.02 | nvz | bahbah: listen. he came in and saidhi, i'm new to debian and am having problems getting the x server |
| 00:40.05 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.05 | PerfDave | tell: that's nothing to do with your original statement. |
| 00:40.09 | directhex | my desktop machines at home & work run sarge |
| 00:40.10 | dvhart | anyone know what you use to enable a bind server running dhcp to report the dynamic ip assigned to a client the sent their hostname as part of the dhcp request (ie 'send host-name "mylaptop";' in dhclient.conf |
| 00:40.17 | Walker | I might as well try sarge then, might also mean I get to avoid this x-windows problem. |
| 00:40.20 | ningo | kbrooks, who doesn't? :) |
| 00:40.22 | somcim | i'm looking for a complete desktop. should i go with sarge or should i use another distro? |
| 00:40.23 | bahbah | nvz: yes, I know, I read what he/she said, but your advice was plain wrong |
| 00:40.26 | tk_ | nvz: i've checked the logs nothing jumps out at me except the final error. "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0" I don't see any error lots of informational messages (II), any suggestions on where to startlooking? |
| 00:40.27 | Atholas | somcim: I suppose knoppix is easier, since it is a live cd. Go with it if you want. Though I'd say install sarge if you wanna get a taste of what real linux is :) |
| 00:40.35 | bahbah | it was not and couldk not have been a problem with xterm not being installed |
| 00:40.42 | bahbah | and this is the stupidest argument I've ever had |
| 00:40.45 | dvhart | somcim, sarge has a great gnome 2.6 desktop |
| 00:40.49 | nvz | bahbah: I was getting him to look further.. he said nothing to me of hardware errors, he said X doesnt start a user installing just a core X will fail if a terminal emulator or something else like a wm isnt present.. its highly accurate |
| 00:40.49 | doub | tell: yes, but things that aren't sold can also have a purpose, AFAIK |
| 00:40.59 | nvz | bahbah: you are just starting an argument |
| 00:41.07 | rdancer | somcim: CP/M is much easier and *faster* than anything named above (if you're interested in speed) |
| 00:41.09 | nvz | bahbah: this I will tell you again /ignore nvz |
| 00:41.10 | PerfDave | dvhart: Heh, you just used "gnome" and "great" in the same sentence, please rephrase ;) |
| 00:41.11 | bahbah | nvz: X will quit, with no error, and will print nothing to the log in that case |
| 00:41.22 | bahbah | nvz: your advice was not helpful at all, that was my only point |
| 00:41.24 | dvhart | PerfDave, to each their own I suppose |
| 00:41.29 | nvz | bahbah: the X server never EVER runs without making a log entry |
| 00:41.37 | Atholas | lol, gnome 2.6 does seem a bit slower than KDE 3.2 or 3.3 |
| 00:41.39 | thingfish | I suppose a newbie MIGHT make it through the debian-installer setup routine. |
| 00:41.42 | ningo | somcim, first of, "sarge" isn't a distro, but a debian branch and no you should go with stable (woody) if you are completely new to debian (you can always update to the more recent sarge branch if there's need to) |
| 00:41.45 | rdancer | oh, ah, s/he wants a desktop 8-| |
| 00:41.49 | tell | doub: your turning things upside down. of course thingd that aren't sold can have a purpose, but there ain't a specific goal |
| 00:42.00 | bahbah | nvz: indeed. but it will not log 'xterm not found' or whatever, since it doesn't give a fuck. |
| 00:42.02 | MepisBelle | http://people.evilrealms.net/~pibby/view_photo.php?set_albumName=kde&id=Carbonated_Debian |
| 00:42.04 | xam | dvhart: I ususally do it the other way round: the clients tell in the dhcp request/reply what name they want, and bind is updated automatically with a temporary DDNS record |
| 00:42.08 | bahbah | some wrapper script may, however. |
| 00:42.10 | bahbah | anyway, EOT |
| 00:42.15 | kbrooks | nvz and bahbah: I'm sorry but i believe you should PM each other. |
| 00:42.16 | bahbah | unless you want to have me remvoed |
| 00:42.19 | MepisBelle | http://people.evilrealms.net/~pibby/view_photo.php?set_albumName=kde&id=Teach_Me_Linux |
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| 00:42.43 | dvhart | xam: I think that is what I meant, how does the DDNS record work? do I need another package? have a link to an example or some docs? |
| 00:42.57 | xam | dvhart: I actually haven't investigated into 'sent-hostname' |
| 00:43.01 | thingfish | you naughty MepisBelle |
| 00:43.01 | nvz | kbrooks: no, I believe you should not get involved I've asked him twice to ignore me and behave.. |
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| 00:43.08 | MepisBelle | thingfish: Guilty |
| 00:43.15 | tell | doub: for instance: microsoft will only change their software if there is gain to it |
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| 00:43.33 | gilles | hi |
| 00:43.41 | Gideon2 | gilles: welcome |
| 00:43.54 | dvhart | xam: 'send host-name "farah"' is how my laptop tells the dhcp server it wants to be 'farah', but it doesn't have to be that way - how does your method work? |
| 00:43.57 | somcim | how easy is sarge to install compared to other distros? |
| 00:44.02 | gilles | how to make debian automatically recognize my memory stick, is there a package that can help ? |
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| 00:44.06 | kbrooks | sarge is the testing release, correct? |
| 00:44.11 | zignig | somcim: with the new installer , real easy. |
| 00:44.18 | kbrooks | testing branch of debian |
| 00:44.24 | tell | rm /bin/sh |
| 00:44.29 | Gideon2 | kbrooks: Yes |
| 00:44.33 | zignig | somcim: a little to easy ;) |
| 00:44.40 | dvhart | somcim, debian is getting much easier to install - I have seen some relative newbies get it up and running without too much of a fuss |
| 00:44.47 | somcim | am i likely to run into any problems with it because it is 'testing'? |
| 00:44.49 | tell | rm /bin/ksh |
| 00:44.52 | tell | rm /bin/bash |
| 00:44.56 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.06 | thingfish | I'm running unstable and it's so far solid as a rock. |
| 00:45.08 | Gideon2 | kbroo: True also |
| 00:45.34 | Gideon2 | somcim: I installed woody as testing and have had no problems |
| 00:45.43 | tell | apt-get install windows |
| 00:45.47 | Gideon2 | somcim: A couple of years ago |
| 00:45.49 | doub | tell: of course. because microsoft's purpose is not producing usefull software, it's rather to make money. debian's intend is to provide usefull software bundled alltogether. it's not quite a purpose, but a goal to reach, you're right on this point |
| 00:45.53 | dvhart | somcim, we run sarge on our servers at work without any major problems, it is a pretty solid branch IMHO |
| 00:45.57 | zignig | somcim: I wouldn't use it on a production machine if you are worried about security ( and/or don't have much time for upkeep ) |
| 00:46.04 | rdancer | xam, dvhart: send-hostname is not a particularly clever an idea, securitywise. at least make dedicated subdomain like <whatever-the-host-requests>.reverses-you-do-not-want-to-believe.mydomain.com |
| 00:46.27 | ningo | somcim, yes you can, however it's most unlikely thjat you do |
| 00:46.39 | rdancer | xam, dvhart: still, the hosts may impersonate each other |
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| 00:46.58 | tell | doub: there is no 'debian's intend'. there a just a couple of guys improving individual packages |
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| 00:47.14 | somcim | i'm just going to use it for an average desktop user like xp home edition. so should i go with sarge since it is pretty much stable. or should i get sid since it is newer? |
| 00:47.16 | dvhart | rdancer: this is for a private home network |
| 00:47.17 | psh21a | hi |
| 00:47.31 | ningo | somcim, start with sarge |
| 00:47.37 | kbrooks | I want a dyndns subdomain, but I also want to update my subdomain from dyndns |
| 00:47.42 | dvhart | rdancer, any thoughts on how to get bind to be aware of the named dhcp clients? |
| 00:47.48 | Gideon2 | somcim: You can always move to sid later |
| 00:47.48 | kbrooks | if my ip changes |
| 00:47.53 | ningo | you can update to sid later, if there's a need to |
| 00:47.55 | xam | dvhart: well, 'man named.conf' about the DDNS section ... basically you want to choose a shared password (via the 'key' option in named.conf and dhcpd.conf), and set 'ddns-update-style interim;' and 'ddns-updates true;' in dhcpd.conf |
| 00:47.56 | gilles | when i plug my memory stick i get the following error msg : "Buffer I/O error on dev uba" |
| 00:48.05 | PerfDave | !sid upgrade |
| 00:48.05 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 00:48.06 | somcim | k i'll go with sarge. but how recent is it? |
| 00:48.06 | Atholas | somcim: go for sarge |
| 00:48.07 | rdancer | dvhart: once you'll want to connect a bunch of friends, or you throw a wi-fi party, this won't hold anymore |
| 00:48.13 | PerfDave | somcim: Get sarge |
| 00:48.19 | rdancer | dvhart: reverses or forwards? |
| 00:48.23 | kbrooks | dpkg: sarge |
| 00:48.23 | dpkg | testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
| 00:48.28 | PerfDave | somcim: sarge is 2 weeks behind sid, to avoid major bugs |
| 00:48.32 | zignig | somcim: now-ish ;) |
| 00:48.35 | rdancer | dvhart: #dns |
| 00:48.37 | doub | tell: that reminds me of the "is debian an anachist organization" thread i've seen once |
| 00:48.40 | ningo | PerfDave, i'm considering myself as a tester now. .P |
| 00:48.43 | kbrooks | I want a dyndns subdomain, but I also want to update my subdomain from dyndns |
| 00:48.45 | kbrooks | if my ip changes |
| 00:48.46 | dvhart | rdancer, I think forwards is all I care about, and thanks |
| 00:48.53 | green_earz | somcim: check the link for sarge net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 00:48.56 | ningo | do i get any special boonies from now on? |
| 00:49.02 | Matalo | please how can i get the list of apt-get list of packages? |
| 00:49.07 | PerfDave | somcim: sid occasionally fucks itself hard and near-irreparibly. You don't want to install it unless you're a Debian guru. |
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| 00:49.18 | PerfDave | ningo: Test sarge, it needs it more. |
| 00:49.30 | tell | doub: well, anarchist is more like political vocabulary to me |
| 00:49.32 | xam | dvhart: I actually meant 'man dhcpd.conf' ... |
| 00:49.51 | dvhart | xam, rdancer: thanks for the pointers, I just wasn't sure which app I was needing to update |
| 00:49.54 | Gideon2 | Matalo: You want the file name? |
| 00:50.07 | somcim | what version of the kernel does sarge use? |
| 00:50.16 | PerfDave | somcim: Sarge has many different kernels available |
| 00:50.23 | dvhart | somcim, several - but 2.6.8 is pretty common |
| 00:50.23 | Matalo | Gideon2: name of packages |
| 00:50.23 | sun_ | what will happen to "testing" when sarge ships and becomes "stable?" to track sarge, do you change sources.list? |
| 00:50.35 | PerfDave | sun_: etch will be the new testing distribution. |
| 00:50.36 | nvz | bahbah: fair enough. when he runs X he will see stderr say that xinit or whatever cannot find "xterm" or such in path.. it will not be logged, right.. the point is, his question was to blame contained no relavant details.. I probed for more info and you ignorantly sidetracked me. There's no need for anything like that we both learned something |
| 00:50.37 | ningo | 2.6.9 sid only or already in sarge? |
| 00:50.44 | RichiH | sun_: depends on if you have arge or testing in your sources |
| 00:50.53 | PerfDave | sun_: If you track testing, you will go to etch. If you track sarge, you will stay with it when it goes stable. |
| 00:50.54 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6.9-686 sarge |
| 00:50.57 | RichiH | ningo: .9 will never make it into sarge, afaik |
| 00:51.02 | PerfDave | ningo: How long has it been in sid? |
| 00:51.09 | ningo | dunno |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | a week or more |
| 00:51.14 | ningo | a few weeks for sure :D |
| 00:51.16 | Gideon2 | Matalo: You can look up packages on www.debian.org |
| 00:51.31 | PerfDave | Newer is more likely to fuck your system :) |
| 00:51.39 | doub | tell: it's not only political, it can also be a philosophy, as the name says : "absence of authority" |
| 00:51.40 | xam | PerfDave: but it IS better ... sometimes |
| 00:51.49 | ningo | i'm running 2.6.8 actually and i don't intend updating to .9 |
| 00:51.57 | abrotman | !why isn't kernel-image-2.6.9-1-686 in sarge |
| 00:52.05 | PerfDave | xam: bleeding edge is rarely better than cutting edge. |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | it's too young |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | i can't remember the stupid command to make dpkg tell you |
| 00:52.28 | tell | doub : i think i have the perfect definition: linux is a hobby, in which a lot of people around the world cooperate, powered by the ever gowing use of the internet |
| 00:52.29 | somcim | since sarge is pretty much stable, and it is about two weeks behind sid. so when sarge becomes stable. does that mean sid will become stable 2 weeks later? |
| 00:52.33 | doub | tell: and that's rather what you describe when you say that debian is "just a couple of guys improving individual packages" |
| 00:52.35 | tell | doub: how about that :-) |
| 00:52.38 | kbrooks | what is 'tracking' |
| 00:52.46 | gilles | pavilion:/home/gilles# mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/cle_usb |
| 00:52.46 | gilles | mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 00:52.56 | gilles | what can i do ? |
| 00:53.00 | PerfDave | somcim: No. sid feeds packages into sarge. When sarge goes stable, sid will feed packages into etch. |
| 00:53.02 | abrotman | about 2.6.9 in sarge : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279880 |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | it will not enter ... |
| 00:53.30 | PerfDave | kbrooks: If your sources.list contains "testing", then you are tracking testing. It's the name of the branch / release you update to. |
| 00:53.34 | rdancer | abrotman: sing sid? |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | !sing sid |
| 00:53.37 | dpkg | (Tune=Led Zep, Your Time Is Gonna Come): Askin' stupid questions, that's all you seem to do. / Messin' around with every new thing in town, / Puttin' Sarge down, thinkin' it ain't new. / Always the same, playin' your game, / Drive #debian insane, trouble's gonna come to you, / One of these days and it won't be long, / You'll look for Sid but baby, he'll be b0rk3n... / This is all I gotta say to you, newbie: / YOUR TIME IS GONNA COME |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 00:53.50 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 00:53.58 | somcim | so debian is final. just the packages are alway being unstable testing or stable? |
| 00:54.01 | sun_ | so with sources.list set to "testing," would the automatic jump from sarge to etch be "small" or "big"? |
| 00:54.09 | dvhart | xam, hmmm nothing on ddns in my dhcpd man page or the docs on my system |
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| 00:54.15 | abrotman | sun_: there will be no "jump" |
| 00:54.18 | xam | somcim: okay, thats it. I described how testing/unstable worked. Others did. There was even a pointer to a FAQ posted just a minute ago ... You seem to be very ignorant and/or very forgetful, so I'm gonna /ignore you, and suggest others do the same |
| 00:54.19 | doub | tell: yes, but that's going in the same direction : individuals cooperating, that is that don't follow an authority |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | sun_: it will just happen :) |
| 00:54.36 | PerfDave | sun_: There should be no noticable jump, and it'll happen automatically when you next upgrade your system. |
| 00:54.39 | tell | doub: anarchism reminds me, and i think most people, with 'down with the system'. but i have nothing against the excistence of microsoft or capitalism or such |
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| 00:55.05 | abrotman | sun_: it will .. slow down .. freeze for a while .. but then it will just start again |
| 00:55.12 | tbbw | hello anyone know and good readme or tutorial on how to set up nat with iptables? |
| 00:55.20 | kbrooks | I want to reinstall kwallet. How do I do so? |
| 00:55.31 | PerfDave | apt-get --reinstall install kwallet |
| 00:55.32 | dvhart | tbbw: the one on tldp is excellent |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall install kwallet ? |
| 00:55.37 | ningo | sun_, on apocalypse day there will no difference between etch and sarge |
| 00:55.43 | ningo | *+be |
| 00:55.48 | dvhart | tbbw, by Rusty Russel |
| 00:55.53 | PerfDave | tbbw: look at the ipmasq package, or read the documentation on http://www.netfilter.org/ |
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| 00:55.59 | rdancer | !nat |
| 00:55.59 | dpkg | [nat] Network Address Translation. See also ipmasq, or patented by CISCO, or ip-masq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more fexible while the latter gains widely recognition. see also 'netfilter docs', or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1 |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | !nut |
| 00:56.06 | tbbw | thanx guys :D |
| 00:56.11 | Gideon2 | somcim: Stuff in testing is pretty good, being tested. Stuff in unstable is less reliable, more cutting edge |
| 00:56.16 | ningo | !nuts |
| 00:56.16 | dpkg | "Scientists say 1 out of every 4 people is crazy, check 3 friends, if they are ok, you're it." |
| 00:56.16 | rdancer | !nuts |
| 00:56.23 | xam | dvhart: of course there is. man dhcpd.conf (well, at least for the dhcp3-server package) |
| 00:56.25 | doub | tell: well that's not quite that, at least to me. to me it simply means "absence of authority". it doesn't mean that because of this absence you can do whatever pleases you, as killing your neighbour because he doesn't look good or say whay you want |
| 00:56.27 | kbrooks | !nuts |
| 00:56.28 | dpkg | "Scientists say 1 out of every 4 people is crazy, check 3 friends, if they are ok, you're it." |
| 00:56.30 | kbrooks | !nuts |
| 00:56.32 | abrotman | apparently .. the odds are higher in my home town |
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| 00:56.41 | Gideon2 | nvz: Cool |
| 00:56.49 | ningo | what if you don't got 3 friends? :< |
| 00:56.54 | doub | tell: it simply means, do whatever you want if that doesn't hurt anyone |
| 00:56.56 | rdancer | kbrooks: use /msg dpkg |
| 00:56.57 | abrotman | ningo: you're it for sure |
| 00:57.07 | zignig | doub: libratarian then ? |
| 00:57.14 | ningo | just speculating |
| 00:57.27 | xam | ningo: well, then it really doesn't matter whether you are crazy, does it? |
| 00:57.52 | sun_ | so does that mean that someone tracking stable would encounter some kind of a jump when moving from woody to sarge, though testing would just split off. |
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| 00:58.09 | xam | sun_: yes, definitely |
| 00:58.11 | dvhart | xam: ah, I was running the plain old 'dhcp' package |
| 00:58.27 | Gideon2 | sun: Yes, the moment the change-over occurs there would be a lot of files to upgrade |
| 00:58.30 | doub | zignig: sort of |
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| 00:58.38 | zignig | doub: good answer. |
| 00:58.39 | zignig | :) |
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| 00:59.19 | tell | doub: then that's where we disagree :-) i believe that with abscence of authority (in real life) results in chaos destruction and death. that's why i think the term should be used in the context of software development |
| 00:59.55 | tell | doub: ehh, should NOT be used |
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| 01:00.03 | doub | tell: and i don't have anything against microsoft or capitalism as long as they don't use FUD for you to buy their production |
| 01:00.22 | tell | doub: what's FUD? |
| 01:00.27 | RichiH | !fud |
| 01:00.27 | dpkg | it has been said that fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
| 01:00.33 | Gideon2 | Fear uncertainty doubt |
| 01:00.37 | debian | doub: even they don't, they still have a lot of problem |
| 01:00.58 | debian | PerfDave: this is my dream job |
| 01:01.09 | PerfDave | debian: Shame I was lying, I cure cancer for a living really ;) |
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| 01:01.22 | debian | PerfDave: I pity you. |
| 01:01.29 | PerfDave | debian: It's fun |
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| 01:01.37 | xam | PerfDave: I cause cancer as a hobby |
| 01:01.49 | xam | PerfDave: well, I'm giving up smoking ... slowly |
| 01:01.51 | tell | doub: i don't understand you at this point |
| 01:01.57 | PerfDave | xam: Yeah, me too ;) |
| 01:02.07 | sean_micken | anyone know how to get hotplug to load my sound drivers in a certain order? it's putting my primary card second. |
| 01:02.10 | doub | tell: i mean, many things that are about money also involve some sort of FUD. that's rather proportional |
| 01:02.14 | debian | PerfDave: how many have you cured? I'll kill the same amount to maintain the balance |
| 01:02.16 | Gideon2 | I am ridding the world of cigarettes one by one |
| 01:02.25 | xam | PerfDave: down to 2-3 cigarettes/day (from about 20-30 cigarettes) |
| 01:02.26 | tk_ | more info on xserver error: i get lot sof messages that state: VGA(0) Not using default mode "640x400" (insufficient memory for mode) FYI, I have ab intel 810 chip set and have 10 MB allocated to video the log file says 256 is being used. |
| 01:02.26 | PerfDave | debian: Hard to say, it's a team effort ;) |
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| 01:02.40 | debian | PerfDave: I'll make the division. Don't worry. :) |
| 01:02.53 | somcim | how many of the sarge cd's should i get? |
| 01:02.58 | PerfDave | xam: I'm just trying to wean myself off scabbing ciggies off people while out drunk. I have managed to avoid smoking daily for nearly 2 years. |
| 01:03.01 | PerfDave | somcim: The first one or two |
| 01:03.04 | resiak | !tell somcim about d-i |
| 01:03.10 | PerfDave | somcim: Assuming you have a net connection :0 |
| 01:03.11 | Gnea | ok, mozilla-firefox in SiD has been updated to 1.0.4 but printing STILL causes a segfault!!! I do NOT have any of the xprt-* packages installed |
| 01:03.12 | debian | somcim: 1st |
| 01:03.25 | PerfDave | Gnea: Checked the BTS? |
| 01:03.26 | somcim | what do all the others have? |
| 01:03.27 | dvhart | somcim, if you have a decent net connection, I would just use the smallest net inst |
| 01:03.30 | PerfDave | "SiD"? |
| 01:03.31 | tell | doub: true |
| 01:03.33 | PerfDave | somcim: More packages |
| 01:03.34 | Gnea | man |
| 01:03.50 | resiak | PerfDave: Still in Development ;) |
| 01:03.55 | PerfDave | somcim: You probably won't need anything off the third or later CDs for most of your install. You'll need a lot off the first, quite a bit off the second. |
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| 01:04.15 | debian | PerfDave: that's a good start. :) |
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| 01:04.17 | Gnea | PerfDave: yeah i'm going thru it now - yeah, sid is 'unstable' |
| 01:04.27 | Gnea | PerfDave: perhaps you've heard of that branch? |
| 01:04.28 | doub | tell: if microsoft was not claiming to produce useful software, i would not care about them. if they were not urging every people to buy their production, like using contracts with PC makers for them to preinstall it, or having contracts with schools, i would not bother |
| 01:04.31 | PerfDave | somcim: I wouldn't recommend netinstalling, it's much more convenient IMHO to get the first and second full CDs. |
| 01:04.38 | PerfDave | Gnea: sid is, yeah. I was wondering what SiD was :) |
| 01:05.03 | Gnea | PerfDave: an attention-getter ;) |
| 01:05.15 | herbi | can someone give me a hand |
| 01:05.22 | herbi | my logrotate config is messed up for some reason |
| 01:05.23 | Gideon2 | herb: Ask your question |
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| 01:05.30 | herbi | my /var/log/wtmp is at 27M |
| 01:05.43 | doub | tell: the fact is, microsoft works not because of it's quality, but rather because it's there, and it has the bucks to stay there, that is to persuade one that he won't go without windows/office |
| 01:05.47 | herbi | and i have no idea why logrotate isnt rotating my logs! |
| 01:06.02 | herbi | cron starts without errors and logrotate.conf has a wtmp entry |
| 01:06.17 | herbi | Gideon2, any ideas? |
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| 01:06.25 | debian | doub: it's definitely not a good place to discuss things as such. but what's your major |
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| 01:06.50 | acleargirl | help |
| 01:07.00 | acleargirl | help |
| 01:07.04 | herbi | .. |
| 01:07.07 | acleargirl | anyone please |
| 01:07.08 | herbi | whats the problem |
| 01:07.14 | kbrooks | ask |
| 01:07.22 | acleargirl | i lost my initrd.img-2.6.8 |
| 01:07.27 | tell | doub: windows does work, i thought the same way you do when i used windows 98, windows XP SP2 changed my opinion somewhat. Besides, who's to blame? |
| 01:07.47 | acleargirl | who would like to help me |
| 01:07.57 | herbi | acleargirl, be more specific |
| 01:08.10 | doub | debian: my major? |
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| 01:08.22 | acleargirl | i use debian |
| 01:08.29 | PerfDave | Mmmm, XP SP2. A "security update" which removes functionality from the OS for no reason, meaning that people don't bother installing it :) |
| 01:08.31 | Gideon2 | herbi: I would hazard a guess at some configuration error |
| 01:08.36 | yoo | ne nuit |
| 01:08.43 | herbi | Gideon2, ...in what |
| 01:08.54 | staniel | acleargirl: did you create a debian package of the kernel 2.6.8 or did you use the debian version? |
| 01:08.56 | xam | acleargirl: try 'apt-get --reinstall install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-32' (or whatever your kernel-image is) |
| 01:08.57 | kbrooks | uh oh |
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| 01:09.14 | tell | doub: i takes ages to make debian work the way you want. as long as that's the case, only nutcases like you and me will use (correction, optimize) it. |
| 01:09.15 | kbrooks | uh oh at qtparted |
| 01:09.40 | Gideon2 | herbi: Not sure. I can only make general suggestions like check google and the deb-user list |
| 01:09.42 | sean_micken | anyone know where i can grab irssi from? |
| 01:09.50 | resiak | sean_micken: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 01:09.50 | PerfDave | sean_micken: apt-get install irssi-text ? |
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| 01:09.51 | peterS | sean_micken: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 01:09.52 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 01:09.53 | The_Vulture | sean_micken: apt-cache search irssi |
| 01:09.55 | ApEtc | sean_micken: apt-get? |
| 01:09.55 | sean_micken | wow |
| 01:09.57 | debian | doub: I mean you collage major |
| 01:10.03 | resiak | That was quite something. |
| 01:10.05 | sean_micken | thanks guys ;) |
| 01:10.06 | captainwinky | hi :). can anyone please tell me how to set up my system so that my hostname will show up on the network? |
| 01:10.07 | The_Vulture | (and yes, I know what the package name is, I just thought he might learn to search too) |
| 01:10.17 | The_Vulture | captainwinky: DNS |
| 01:10.25 | doub | tell: i agree debian is hard to use. but as read somewhere i don't quite remember, if it breaks, you keep both pieces |
| 01:10.30 | acleargirl | i have some trouble with debian,who would like to help me |
| 01:10.37 | Gideon2 | captainwinky: The DNS stuff will be done on your chosen DNS server |
| 01:10.37 | The_Vulture | acleargirl: ask a specific question. |
| 01:10.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell acleargirl about ask |
| 01:10.59 | debian | acleargirl: a/s/l |
| 01:11.05 | doub | debian: i'm from france, i've done a CS technical school |
| 01:11.06 | peterS | debian: go away |
| 01:11.11 | tell | doub: very true |
| 01:11.25 | ningo | debian sux! 8X |
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| 01:11.34 | herbi | hmm it looks like it isnt working because anacron isnt installed |
| 01:11.39 | herbi | which isnt installed because exim isnt installed |
| 01:11.40 | doub | tell: if windows breaks, you'll spend a looong time either trying to figure out or reinstall/reconfigure it all |
| 01:11.50 | captainwinky | Gideon2, i think my DNS server is my router |
| 01:11.50 | dondelelcaro | acleargirl: read /topic and don't /msg me. |
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| 01:12.00 | rdancer | dpkg, netinst is also see dialup install |
| 01:12.00 | dpkg | okay, rdancer |
| 01:12.09 | dondelelcaro | acleargirl: your initrd can be remade using mkinitrd, or you can --reinstall your kernel image. |
| 01:12.14 | Stevie-Oh | bleh |
| 01:12.15 | sean_micken | :) how do i get my sound cards (loading by way of hotplug, i think) to be loaded in a certain order? |
| 01:12.16 | kbrooks | I want to check /dev/hda |
| 01:12.23 | kbrooks | fsck it |
| 01:12.24 | Stevie-Oh | what will make dpkg tell me about 'building a kernel the debian way' |
| 01:12.29 | debian | doub: the major crime done by MS is not entirely on technical aspect. So no need to compare it with Linux or debain here. ;) |
| 01:12.30 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-Oh: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 01:12.39 | Stevie-Oh | ty |
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| 01:12.44 | rdancer | !wayttd sean_micken |
| 01:12.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sean_micken? |
| 01:12.49 | Gideon2 | captain: Is your router running Debian? |
| 01:13.15 | Gnea | PerfDave: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279197 |
| 01:13.23 | sean_micken | rdancer, load my sound cards in a certain order because the one it is loading first hence making it card0 (default) is not what i want. |
| 01:13.30 | Stevie-Oh | I wonder if a reference to that should be added to the 'kernel' keyword |
| 01:13.37 | captainwinky | Gideon2, no :/. it's an adsl modem/router with firewall built in |
| 01:13.45 | kbrooks | dkpg: unstable |
| 01:13.51 | rdancer | sean_micken: why are they loaded by hotplug? |
| 01:14.00 | herbi | yay i got it working |
| 01:14.01 | sean_micken | rdancer, im not sure if they are or not, but i think they are. |
| 01:14.04 | xam | sean_micken: the easiest way would be to put in the soundcard module names in /etc/modules, in the correct order |
| 01:14.12 | doub | tell: to me the first problem with microsoft is that they lie to you saying "computing is easy, just click there, see it works" |
| 01:14.14 | Gideon2 | captain: Whom do you want to see your host then? |
| 01:14.17 | rdancer | sean_micken: what cards are they? pci/pcmcia/isa? |
| 01:14.22 | Gideon2 | herbi: Well done |
| 01:14.30 | captainwinky | Gideon: other people on my home LAN |
| 01:14.37 | sean_micken | xam, i thought of that and it works, but i am thinking there is probably a way to change w/e is currently loading it. |
| 01:14.50 | sean_micken | rdancer, one is cmipci (built in), the other is emu10k1 pci. |
| 01:14.51 | Gideon2 | captain: How about they get to you by IP or not name? |
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| 01:15.00 | kbrooks | i want to make my sarge sid |
| 01:15.12 | doub | tell: because when you're on the other side of the mirror, having to spend 8h a day trying to fix MS's bugs, you can appreciate the lie |
| 01:15.18 | rdancer | sean_micken: then just add the module names to /etc/modules, in desired order |
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| 01:15.32 | Gnea | kbrooks: do you want to print with mozilla? |
| 01:15.36 | tell | doub: not true, when you buy a computer having windows and office preinstalled; that statement is simply true. problems aride when people surf for porn and install shit |
| 01:15.36 | sean_micken | rdancer, ok.. i guess -- what is currently loading em though? |
| 01:15.39 | rdancer | sean_micken: and reboot to check whether it worked |
| 01:15.40 | captainwinky | Gideon: they can get to me just fine by IP. just wanted to learn how to set it up so that they could get to me by name, that's all |
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| 01:15.57 | kbrooks | Gnea, uhhhh. how did you guess. Yes I do |
| 01:16.06 | Gideon2 | captian: Configure a dns server on your Debian box. The docs should cover it |
| 01:16.13 | Gnea | kbrooks: then stay with sarge unless you wanna help me fix it. |
| 01:16.14 | ningo | yeah, make windows porn-surf-safe! |
| 01:16.26 | Gnea | cuz i get consistant segfaults |
| 01:16.31 | Gnea | with or without xprint installed |
| 01:16.32 | herbi | Gideon2, just trying to get system efficiency back up...ive been on the same debian install for almost 4 years :P |
| 01:16.32 | ningo | it's incredible that they do nothing about this |
| 01:16.41 | ningo | they should release a whole service packe |
| 01:16.42 | kbrooks | Gnea, meh |
| 01:16.44 | captainwinky | Gideon2, okay. thanks. i'll give it a whirl. any suggestions on manpages/docs? |
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| 01:16.57 | Gnea | ningo: it's called "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
| 01:17.02 | sean_micken | rdancer, this comp is very unconfigured ;p |
| 01:17.06 | Stevie-Oh | hmm |
| 01:17.09 | tell | ningo : hmm that i'll bring people to linux!! |
| 01:17.12 | ningo | Gnea, to make windows porn-surf-safe? |
| 01:17.27 | rdancer | sean_micken: i know. if you forgot your root pw, /msg me ;) |
| 01:17.32 | captainwinky | *which manpages/docs that was meant to be |
| 01:17.34 | Gideon2 | captain: I think it is resolv.conf - do a search on debian user list - from www.debian.org |
| 01:17.37 | Gnea | ningo: who gives a fuck about that broken os? |
| 01:17.41 | ningo | tell, well what do you think, was torwalds reason to create linux? ;) |
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| 01:17.50 | tell | lol |
| 01:17.58 | tell | the dirty bastard |
| 01:17.58 | captainwinky | okay. thanks gideon :) |
| 01:18.08 | ningo | pornix |
| 01:18.31 | Gideon2 | captain: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:18.33 | doub | tell: then why don't they just provide a system able to simply run office, and nothing else? it shure will have fewer problems |
| 01:18.38 | Stevie-Oh | how can I find the .config used to make my current kernel? |
| 01:18.39 | ningo | and it shoudl have been prostitude not penguin, but linux misstiped |
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| 01:18.42 | ningo | *linus |
| 01:18.44 | |QuaD| | is there a wildcard for apt-get install (like apt-get install kde* |
| 01:18.58 | Gnea | Stevie-Oh: it gets created |
| 01:19.03 | Gnea | Stevie-Oh: what kernel? |
| 01:19.04 | xam | Stevie-Oh: it is usually in /boot |
| 01:19.09 | resiak | Stevie-Oh: /boot/config-2.?.?-* |
| 01:19.11 | kbrooks | i want to upgrade KDE. |
| 01:19.15 | peterS | |QuaD|: amazingly, that syntax works |
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| 01:19.27 | tell | doub : better keep up appeances.... apple does that for them.. |
| 01:19.40 | Stevie-Oh | tyvm gnea, xam, resiak |
| 01:19.41 | peterS | |QuaD|: you usually want to say 'kde*' rather than just kde*, in case the latter actually matches local files |
| 01:19.42 | |QuaD| | i get errors |
| 01:19.42 | |QuaD| | ok |
| 01:19.46 | Gideon2 | captain: google on "resolv.conf HOWTO" |
| 01:19.48 | rdancer | resiak: /boot/config-2.?*.?*-*, even |
| 01:20.03 | peterS | |QuaD|: and really, you probably instead want to install a metapackage put together for that purpose, such as "kde" |
| 01:20.09 | kbrooks | kyle:/# apt-get upgrade kde |
| 01:20.09 | kbrooks | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 01:20.09 | kbrooks | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 01:20.09 | kbrooks | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 01:20.12 | Stevie-Oh | rdancer: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 01:20.14 | resiak | rdancer: Point taken :) |
| 01:20.17 | |QuaD| | i am not doing kde |
| 01:20.19 | Gnea | heh |
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| 01:20.21 | kbrooks | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 01:20.26 | captainwinky | ahh, thanks Gideon2. shall do probably, but currently reading 'man resolve.conf' ;) |
| 01:20.27 | |QuaD| | it was a question... hypothetical |
| 01:20.30 | peterS | kbrooks: no flooding here, please |
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| 01:20.45 | kbrooks | peterS, i always forget. |
| 01:20.48 | rdancer | Stevie-Oh: eh, i didn't catch what resiak was responding to ... oops 8-O |
| 01:20.57 | debian | ningo: he just wanna piss prof. Tanenbaum off |
| 01:20.59 | kbrooks | peterS, anyway, why do I get that? |
| 01:21.10 | peterS | kbrooks: you got kicked before we got to see what your error actually was |
| 01:21.19 | peterS | kbrooks: but I *can* tell you that 'apt-get upgrade foo' is the wrong syntax |
| 01:21.24 | Gideon2 | kbrooks: It is a channel defense mechanism |
| 01:21.37 | peterS | kbrooks: either 'apt-get install foo' which upgrades foo if a newer version is available, or 'apt-get upgrade' which upgrades *everything* |
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| 01:22.04 | ningo | debian, ah, with the amount of porns each one could collect with out getting a virus or the like, i suggest? |
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| 01:22.13 | rdancer | actually, more like /boot/config-2.[0-7].[0-9][0-9]-* |
| 01:22.18 | kbrooks | peterS, thanks. |
| 01:22.20 | peterS | kbrooks: I recommend the full-screen utility 'aptitude' for this purpose, in any case. it's easy to select and unselect packages to be upgraded |
| 01:22.28 | debian | ningo: nope...I'm not replying to this one. heh. :) |
| 01:22.43 | ningo | and i'm writing complete nonsense |
| 01:22.49 | doub | tell: what i mean here is that there's no point in saying computers are easy to use, because they're not |
| 01:22.49 | peterS | kbrooks: it takes a little while to get the hang of the commands and the layout, but aptitude is a very nice program once you've learned it. which is pretty much what I used to say about dselect, but it's even more true of aptitude. |
| 01:22.52 | rdancer | shit /me thinks he should stop inventing incorrect regexps |
| 01:22.54 | ningo | time for bed |
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| 01:23.21 | kbrooks | meh no longer used ;) |
| 01:23.34 | tell | doub: i fact we're both to good. people don't realize they use shit. if windows fails. the computer is broken and is thrown away. (recently a proscecuter here in holland put his computer at the sidewalk as garbage. a cab driver recovered confidenbtial info. prosecuter was fired) |
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| 01:23.36 | rdancer | doub: actually, computers are easy to use. as smalltalk & friends have been proving for few decades |
| 01:24.11 | debian | tell: this is a very special case. His IQ is just low |
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| 01:24.45 | resiak | rdancer: I'm going to be a pedant: those are globs, not regexen ;) |
| 01:24.50 | nictuku | besides CVS, how can I check if a given page in d.o in a certain language is older than the current version? I'm making a tool to ease translation.. |
| 01:24.56 | rdancer | !win resiak |
| 01:24.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, resiak! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:25.26 | doub | rdancer: much like in "unix IS user friendly, it's just very picky about who his friends are" |
| 01:25.26 | rdancer | resiak: ``regexen'' <--- amusing 8-)) |
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| 01:25.33 | nictuku | i know there is a warning, but isn't there a "version" information so I can see if they match in different documents? |
| 01:25.43 | resiak | rdancer: Meh, that's what Larry Wall calls them =) |
| 01:25.56 | peterS | better that than 'regeces' |
| 01:25.57 | tell | doub: you read a lot, don't you :-) |
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| 01:26.26 | resiak | peterS: or regular expressions =) |
| 01:26.37 | rdancer | resiak: lol |
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| 01:27.05 | spiekey | hiho |
| 01:27.06 | doub | tell: me??? absolutely not. i never read. it can have your brains over-heating |
| 01:27.11 | spiekey | which file do i have to check out if i get this error? nss_ldap: could not connect to any LDAP server as (null) - Can't contact LDAP server |
| 01:27.13 | kbrooks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.38 | dondelelcaro | kbrooks: so then don't mark kde as automatically installed. |
| 01:27.46 | initech | spiekey: /etc/libnss_ldap or something similar |
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| 01:28.49 | initech | spiekey: just try vi /etc/libnss <TAB><TAB> |
| 01:28.50 | rdancer | doub: nope, computers are easy to use. what gets into the way are very bad mental models, mostly those made in redmond, wa, nowadays |
| 01:28.51 | initech | :) |
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| 01:29.25 | Nwallins | initech: i hear initrode is hiring |
| 01:29.38 | jetscreamer | why does my 32bit system have lib64* and such stuff |
| 01:29.42 | initech | rdancer: single purpose computers, perhaps (like game boys or cell phones) but multi purpose pc's are not easy to use by any strech |
| 01:29.43 | rdancer | doub: you just have to be very meticulous when it comes to levels of abstraction, encapsulating, and such things |
| 01:29.52 | tell | i think i have a problem, nel has been compileing for 2 hours now... |
| 01:29.54 | initech | Nwallins: screw initrode, I sell magazine subscriptions |
| 01:29.58 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: some package installed it probably... |
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| 01:30.08 | Nwallins | hehe.. just watched office space a couple hours ago |
| 01:30.11 | directhex | jetscreamer, part of a move towards evental biarch |
| 01:30.13 | tell | or is this normal?? |
| 01:30.15 | FieldySnuts | Nwallins: yyyeah. that would be grrreat. |
| 01:30.27 | directhex | jetscreamer, it's largely harmless right now |
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| 01:30.30 | spiekey | initech: i know its either libnss-ldap.conf or ldap.conf. but i am not sure whats supposed to be in it ;) |
| 01:30.32 | |QuaD| | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.34 | doub | rdancer: you mean this brainless assembly of stolen ideas from everywhere made in redmond, wa? |
| 01:30.39 | spiekey | i cant remeber |
| 01:30.40 | debian | jetscreamer: don't you like having a 64bit system for the bucks you spent? |
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| 01:30.45 | jetscreamer | k thankee j00 too |
| 01:30.49 | jetscreamer | two |
| 01:30.51 | Nwallins | oh, and peter, um.. yeahh.. we're going to need to come in on umm... Sunday too. See ya then |
| 01:30.55 | Gideon2 | debian: lol |
| 01:30.56 | jetscreamer | ok j00 tree |
| 01:31.08 | leikh | how to i set nano as my default editor? (crontab -e used to open in nano before, but not now all of a sudden) |
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| 01:31.20 | directhex | EDITOR environment variable |
| 01:31.25 | rdancer | initech: yes. it's because the levels of abstraction are hardly ever implemented, so you wander from the highest level (click an icon) to the lowest (bios) in picoseconds |
| 01:31.27 | jetscreamer | leikh, update-alternatives --all works for me |
| 01:31.36 | leikh | jetscreamer: thx |
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| 01:31.39 | debian | doub: bs, redmond has original ideas! look at Microsoft Bob! |
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| 01:31.44 | initech | spiekey: well they well commented; you need to put information about the names of your ldap servers, and whether to use tls, ssl or sasl, etc. but that is beyond the scope of irc, at least to me |
| 01:32.01 | jetscreamer | leikh, if yo uman update-alternatives, there's a better way than --all, but it will stil lwork |
| 01:32.12 | ningo | or the assistanwizard or whatever it's called... |
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| 01:32.24 | rdancer | doub: it's *far* from brainless. they know what they are doing, and their accounting department could tell you, they're goddamn good at it |
| 01:32.37 | herbi | how do i run ssh-keygen to get my ~/.ssh/ files |
| 01:32.39 | initech | rdancer: consise way of putting it |
| 01:32.49 | herbi | im looking at the manpage and am slightly confused |
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| 01:33.40 | debian | herbi: look at the option -b -t something |
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| 01:33.48 | leikh | jetscreamer: hmmm... nano was not one of the options (only more, less and w3m) |
| 01:33.58 | tell | eh doub cares shit about accounting, he's from france... |
| 01:34.01 | herbi | got it |
| 01:34.04 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 01:34.36 | jetscreamer | leikh, those are pagers, not editors |
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| 01:35.26 | somcim | how recent is sarge? |
| 01:35.36 | pipeline | somcim: It's not done yet. |
| 01:35.45 | pipeline | somcim: i.e. new |
| 01:35.48 | debian | somcim: never heard of it |
| 01:35.50 | doub | tell: huh, a lot of people here do *only* care about accounting, but it's a SePF :) |
| 01:35.53 | leikh | jetscreamer: ah, now i see :) |
| 01:35.54 | stoned | could anyone see if http://ajavid.unrealpages.com works for you? |
| 01:35.56 | rdancer | when i observe ms ``products'', and i ask ``cui bono'', i can see the answer very clearly |
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| 01:36.02 | tell | somcim : man, just start install sarge, fer christs sake |
| 01:36.02 | jetscreamer | There are 4 alternatives which provide `editor'. |
| 01:36.07 | debian | stoned: nice try. :) |
| 01:36.13 | rdancer | !sepf |
| 01:36.17 | jetscreamer | leikh, you didn't go far enough |
| 01:36.18 | rdancer | doub: wtf sepf |
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| 01:36.44 | stoned | no seriously |
| 01:36.46 | stoned | i can't get to it |
| 01:36.51 | stoned | it wont' work for me |
| 01:36.52 | jetscreamer | leikh, that was just the first alternative.. there are more, hit enter |
| 01:36.58 | doub | rdancer: from the hitchiker's guide to the galaxy : a Someone Else's Problem Field |
| 01:36.58 | jetscreamer | leikh, as root eh |
| 01:37.09 | somcim | i've read up on debian vs. other distros and i like debian. but other distros tend to have newer packages. and since i have no linux experience. should i go with sarge. or an easier one to learn on like mandrake? |
| 01:37.16 | stoned | debian, i wasn't trying to do anything, just trying to see if it works |
| 01:37.29 | pipeline | somcim: I assure you that you will find mandrake to be a goddamned nightmare |
| 01:37.30 | jetscreamer | sarge or mandrake, up2u, take your pick |
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| 01:37.37 | stoned | debian, so I take it you can get to it? |
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| 01:37.48 | doub | rdancer: a field in conciousness created around a problem you really don't care about |
| 01:37.50 | somcim | so mandrake isn't very good? |
| 01:37.55 | tell | doub: your references are getting boring |
| 01:37.57 | pipeline | somcim: Dangerous understatement. |
| 01:38.01 | jetscreamer | i know a guy who loves mandrake |
| 01:38.05 | jetscreamer | it's all subjective |
| 01:38.10 | debian | stoned: haven't tried it yet |
| 01:38.17 | stoned | debian, and what could be the reason why it isn't resolving for me? |
| 01:38.19 | rdancer | dkpg, SePF is Someone Else's Problem Field (see HHTG) |
| 01:38.30 | debian | stoned: ping it? |
| 01:38.30 | pipeline | somcim: Debian packages undergo weeks, months, or years of testing. Mandrake packages undergo a minimal amount of internal tests and get booted out the door. I'd suggest just about anything over Mandrake. |
| 01:38.31 | stoned | debian, if you could check for me that'd be great |
| 01:38.49 | somcim | k. |
| 01:38.51 | *** part/#debian themindtripperth (themindtri@az-yuma-cuda1s-145.losaca.adelphia.net) |
| 01:38.52 | stoned | it says unknown host |
| 01:38.57 | stoned | can't ping it |
| 01:39.10 | leikh | jetscreamer: all fine now. is update-alternatives --editor the way to go? |
| 01:39.14 | somcim | how is sarge compared to other distros? |
| 01:39.15 | debian | stoned: feed it into http://world.altavista.com |
| 01:39.16 | stoned | some guy on thier support forums told me he can see it, it resolves for him |
| 01:39.20 | tell | somcim ;u just wasted 2 hours, all you've asked for is on one page at www.debian.org |
| 01:39.20 | debian | stoned: see if it can read it |
| 01:39.20 | Agrajag- | rdancer: are you sure it's SEPF? i seem to remember it was just "SEP"? |
| 01:39.22 | *** join/#debian blackpit (~blackpit@reverse.cti.gr) |
| 01:39.24 | *** join/#debian jsn (~jsn@pool-64-222-131-87.man.east.verizon.net) |
| 01:39.24 | rdancer | dpkg, HHTG is Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
| 01:39.24 | dpkg | okay, rdancer |
| 01:39.36 | zignig | Xenguy: ping! |
| 01:39.43 | rdancer | dpkg, forget sepf |
| 01:39.43 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'sepf', rdancer |
| 01:39.46 | dondelelcaro | HHGTTG |
| 01:39.47 | pipeline | somcim: I suggest you install Sarge. The packages are pretty damn new. No, it does not have xorg or Gnome 2.8. You do not need xorg. Gnome 2.8 will come eventually. Asking further questions about the differences between distributions in a *debian* channel is unwise. |
| 01:39.52 | Gnea | DAMNIT |
| 01:39.55 | Gnea | even konqueror can't print |
| 01:40.13 | debian | Gnea: so you forgive firefox now? :) |
| 01:40.15 | Gideon2 | I came, I saw, I failed to print |
| 01:40.21 | somcim | tell: i have read that page. i'm just wondering how sarge compares to other distros |
| 01:40.21 | dondelelcaro | !hhgttg |
| 01:40.22 | dpkg | hhgttg is, like, Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. A fine, fine book, with practical travel tips for galactic tourists. Don't forget your towel! |
| 01:40.25 | stoned | debian, HTTP request failed with error Connect timeout |
| 01:40.27 | Gnea | debian: naw, they all suck right now |
| 01:40.32 | jetscreamer | leikh, probably, all i know is --all though |
| 01:40.32 | stoned | debian, can you try and ping it for me? |
| 01:40.34 | tell | !ignore somcim |
| 01:40.38 | *** join/#debian Holborn (~holborn@237.Red-217-125-137.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 01:40.45 | stoned | debian, nevermind, i don't suppose it would do any good |
| 01:40.50 | debian | Gnea: so I say we shouldn't have obsoleted gopher |
| 01:40.54 | *** join/#debian sean_micken (~sean_mick@8040.wrls.gill.wy.vcn.com) |
| 01:41.04 | dondelelcaro | somcim: it compares. why not try it out and make up your own mind. |
| 01:41.19 | stoned | yeh, whatever happened to gopher, we used to have it back in 8th grade |
| 01:41.24 | debian | rdancer: I love doing it in MUD |
| 01:41.26 | stoned | like a decade ago |
| 01:41.27 | dondelelcaro | stoned: it still exists. |
| 01:41.32 | tell | dondelelcaro : he's whining about it for hous now |
| 01:41.39 | Gnea | debian: that really doens't help right now tho |
| 01:41.44 | *** join/#debian Virusmaster (~Thomas@p5091B93E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:41.46 | somcim | cause my internet connection runs out at midnight and i'm trying to figure out which distro to get |
| 01:41.56 | tell | SARGE |
| 01:41.57 | dondelelcaro | somcim: so get Debian, and try it out. |
| 01:42.21 | somcim | how is sarge compared to other distros? |
| 01:42.25 | *** join/#debian norg (~norg_@235.193.33.65.cfl.rr.com) |
| 01:42.33 | tell | !fuck somcim |
| 01:42.35 | Gideon2 | somcim: ask something specific about sarge. Like about a particular package |
| 01:42.39 | Gnea | somcim: sarge isn't a distro, it's a layer, so-to-speak |
| 01:42.55 | rdancer | debian: i prefer to do it in BED... ;) |
| 01:43.01 | dondelelcaro | somcim: stop repeating. |
| 01:43.06 | tell | he knows it allready, he just likes to hear it once again |
| 01:43.10 | Gideon2 | rdancer: It's a crazy world |
| 01:43.10 | pipeline | somcim: Your internet connection runs out at midnight. You've already spent more time asking vague questions than you would have downloading two or more distributions. |
| 01:43.15 | tell | !slap somcim |
| 01:43.18 | rdancer | !tear somcim |
| 01:43.31 | stoned | could anyone check if www.unrealpages.com resolves for them, I can see it in google but when I click on it nothing happens, and I was able to get on this site like 15 minutes ago |
| 01:43.33 | norg | ok i have a slight probelm |
| 01:43.37 | norg | i need to have pear |
| 01:43.39 | norg | for php |
| 01:43.43 | stoned | I an ping it, but I can't connect to it from firefox |
| 01:43.46 | stoned | can* |
| 01:43.49 | norg | but debian woody has php 4.1.2 |
| 01:43.50 | somcim | i don't have time to research them all so i'm just trying to figure out the best one for a noob. |
| 01:44.02 | norg | i need at least 4.20 to run it |
| 01:44.07 | norg | or 4.30 preferably |
| 01:44.09 | shingouz | somcim: try them all ffs |
| 01:44.12 | *** join/#debian Robinson (~boardingl@ool-18bec0dd.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 01:44.13 | rdancer | dnstracer www.unrealpages.com |
| 01:44.16 | tell | !kill simon |
| 01:44.18 | Gideon2 | somcim: Our best guess here is that sarge is good enough for you but you must decide |
| 01:44.25 | tell | !kill somcim |
| 01:44.29 | Guerin | !tell norg about dotdeb |
| 01:44.31 | rdancer | dpkg: that would hardly kill him |
| 01:44.31 | dpkg | i don't know, rdancer |
| 01:45.08 | somcim | dpkg has bad breath. i can feel it through his teeth |
| 01:45.08 | dpkg | no idea, somcim |
| 01:45.12 | tell | somcim : it really depends on your IQ, i suggest you buy an apple |
| 01:45.30 | Gideon2 | tell: Hey, it worked for Newton |
| 01:45.30 | rdancer | stoned: dig -t ns www.unrealpages.com, and then ask the NS |
| 01:45.31 | somcim | which distro is best for a noob |
| 01:45.53 | tell | god... |
| 01:45.58 | dondelelcaro | somcim: we've already told you. Use sarge. If you continue asking the same question over and over, you will be devoiced. |
| 01:46.04 | initech | somcim: try knoppix or something |
| 01:46.14 | Guerin | !lart initech |
| 01:46.21 | rdancer | stoned: or dig -t soa www.unrealpages.com, and ask the authoritative server mentioned there |
| 01:46.23 | tell | i think somcim is laughing at us right now |
| 01:46.24 | pipeline | somcim: Try ANYTHING, just stop asking stupid questions. |
| 01:46.45 | Gnea | yay, mozilla-browser prints! |
| 01:46.50 | rdancer | somcim: I TOLD U CP/M MORON STOP FUCK OFF! |
| 01:47.01 | tell | maybe somcim is happily running redshet right now, a fraked out spy |
| 01:47.27 | somcim | its fun to watch you guys insult each other |
