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| 00:00.41 | spiekey | hmm...i guess noone here with ldap experience :( |
| 00:00.49 | omry_y | cafuego, my boot partition is hde1, and my root is hde3, which one should I chroot to? |
| 00:01.02 | cafuego | omry_y: root |
| 00:01.10 | cafuego | mahonia: hence chROOT |
| 00:01.18 | cafuego | s/mahonia/omry_y/ |
| 00:01.29 | tony | why the heck did the exim4 config files get exploded out into multiple files? |
| 00:01.29 | teferi | evening all...does there by any chance exist an apt repository with debs of beagle, or at elast of the newer dbus which beagle requires to build? |
| 00:01.44 | cafuego | tony: To make people upgrade to postfix? ;-) |
| 00:02.01 | tony | cafuego , NOT funny... (well, acutually, that's kindov funny) |
| 00:02.15 | tony | cafuego , exim is the default MTA for debian |
| 00:02.16 | cafuego | tony: It's not supposed to be funny. |
| 00:02.21 | teferi | #dashboard and the beagle wiki are inconclusive. so, uh, anyone? |
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| 00:02.30 | yanger | exim can be replaced :) |
| 00:02.33 | Spark | is the sarge installer stable enough for typical use yet? |
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| 00:02.40 | cafuego | tony: 'apt-get install postfix exim4-' is the default on-boot install on my debian machines. |
| 00:02.40 | Spark | i just want a quick and vague answer :) |
| 00:02.42 | resiak | Spark: The ubuntu people think so. |
| 00:02.46 | yanger | Spark, i like it |
| 00:02.46 | cafuego | Spark: maybe |
| 00:02.48 | squirrelplayingt | i think so |
| 00:02.56 | resiak | Spark: It depends how typical the user is ;) |
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| 00:03.06 | squirrelplayingt | ive been using it for a week with no problems and im a n00b |
| 00:03.22 | yanger | Spark, worked fine on a few pc's i've thrown it on to :) really simple and easy - only bad thing is it's not really all of the newest stuff |
| 00:03.24 | omry_y | cafuego, my boot partition is hde1, should I do grub-install /dev/hde or dev/hde1 ? |
| 00:03.28 | resiak | squirrelplayingt: The install has taken _that_ long? Are you sure that you're not accidentally installing Gentoo? |
| 00:03.42 | tony | cafuego , well, I actually LIKE exim |
| 00:03.50 | somcim | when is sarge going to be considered stable? |
| 00:03.55 | petemc | exim rocks |
| 00:03.56 | squirrelplayingt | resiak haha no i had my fling with gentoo, im just messing around with other stuff now |
| 00:03.58 | resiak | !tell somcim about wwsr |
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| 00:04.14 | cafuego | tony: You can't possibly blame ME for that. |
| 00:04.18 | Hamled|Erp| | If I have a card that is supported by alsa-driver, but the drivers aren't included in the 2.6 kernel, what is the best way to install that driver? |
| 00:04.26 | tony | cafuego , I blame my mother... but that's another story |
| 00:04.27 | tony | LOL! |
| 00:04.38 | petemc | tony: you can use /etc/exim4/exim4.conf, you dont have to use split files |
| 00:04.49 | somcim | what are the major differences between woody and sarge? |
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| 00:04.55 | tony | petemc , yes, so I've read |
| 00:05.12 | tony | but it's just amazing to me that the split-up version is now the default |
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| 00:05.27 | petemc | default? |
| 00:05.39 | j4cbo | so i rebooted my server box, and now it says "L 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40 40..." |
| 00:05.44 | tony | petemc, yep |
| 00:05.44 | teferi | guess not. oh well. |
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| 00:06.04 | stew | j4cbo: i think thats covered in /usr/share/doc/lilo/ under common problems or somehting |
| 00:06.14 | somcim | i just installed sarge, any suggestions on where to go next? |
| 00:06.17 | candymancan | Question: I just installed the newest version of Sarge Linux, how do I run the GUI? |
| 00:06.21 | stew | somcim: to the pub |
| 00:06.30 | somcim | where? |
| 00:06.31 | tony | j4cbo , you're prolly going to need to boot to a rescue disk |
| 00:06.36 | kbrooks | candymancan, gdm |
| 00:06.38 | somcim | what's the pub? |
| 00:06.42 | Drakh | somcim: back to the land of Mordor? |
| 00:06.44 | j4cbo | yeah, i tried tomsrtbt... problem is my root is reiserfs |
| 00:06.55 | stew | somcim: a bar that serves ales |
| 00:06.56 | candymancan | kbrooks, Command not found. |
| 00:07.02 | stew | somcim: its a joke son |
| 00:07.06 | kbrooks | candymancan, what are you doing? |
| 00:07.10 | stew | somcim: what do you want to do? |
| 00:07.13 | tony | j4cbo when you do get a rescue disk booted type 'rescue root=/dev/<whatever_your_boot_partition_is>' |
| 00:07.14 | Hamled|Erp| | j4cbo, indicates a seek failure, which indicates a problem with your disk (hopefully just a onetime thing :P) |
| 00:07.29 | candymancan | Trying to run a GUI on a newly-installed Sarge Linux. When I boot, it gives me a terminal, which I don't like using. |
| 00:07.29 | somcim | well i'm trying to get a picture of how to use debian. |
| 00:07.35 | j4cbo | Hamled|Erp|: i think it's a geometry actually |
| 00:07.43 | stew | somcim: what do you want debian to do for you? |
| 00:07.57 | somcim | openoffice and gimp |
| 00:08.02 | j4cbo | whoops, that was supposed to be "geometry issue" |
| 00:08.08 | somcim | but are they included on cd1? |
| 00:08.10 | cafuego | somcim: You'll want sarge then |
| 00:08.26 | somcim | how many of the cd's should i get? |
| 00:08.33 | stew | somcim: apt-get install gimp openoffice.org |
| 00:08.47 | tony | somcim , you can prolly start with a basic netinsall CD and then 'apt-get' from there |
| 00:08.49 | Drakh | candy: So, would you prefer running X or something? |
| 00:08.54 | stew | somcim: i thought you already had it installed? |
| 00:08.58 | somcim | i do |
| 00:09.01 | candymancan | Sure. |
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| 00:09.21 | candymancan | I guess I'd like KDE best, and I'm not sure if that comes with X or whatever. I'm new at all this |
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| 00:09.29 | tony | somcim , if you already have debian installed, just su to root and 'apt-get install <whatever_your_heart_desires> |
| 00:09.43 | Drakh | candy: X is in the windowing system. KDE is on top of that |
| 00:09.46 | Xenguy | !tell candymancan about xcfg |
| 00:09.59 | somcim | how many of the cd's should i get? |
| 00:10.03 | candymancan | OK. So, I guess I'm to try xcfg as root then? |
| 00:10.19 | angel12 | hey, i am trying to build a custom kernel, and when i try make menuconfig it says i need the ncurses-devel, what do i need to do? |
| 00:10.21 | tony | candymancan , the default for Debian is gnome, you'll need to apt-get kde, kdm, etc |
| 00:10.24 | stew | somcim: if you already have sarge installed, you shoud not need cds you can install anything else you want via the net |
| 00:10.27 | j4cbo | are there any rescue floppies with reiserfs support? |
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| 00:10.39 | Xenguy | candymancan: not 'xcfg' :-) As root, yes |
| 00:10.45 | Drakh | angel: Install it? |
| 00:10.47 | somcim | i don't have internet on the one i'm installing it to. |
| 00:10.49 | stew | angel12: libncurses5-dev buildessential |
| 00:10.51 | tony | angel12 , apt-get install ncurses-devel |
| 00:10.55 | stew | angel12: err build-essential |
| 00:11.05 | tony | somcim , you don't? |
| 00:11.26 | somcim | i don't have it in my room. |
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| 00:11.35 | candymancan | Hmm, well, I guess apt-get install kde is going to be taking up the better part of my next hour. |
| 00:11.38 | tony | somcim , can you plug the debian machine into the network you're using to IRC at the moment? |
| 00:11.47 | somcim | no |
| 00:11.55 | somcim | i gotta go. |
| 00:12.00 | Xenguy | candymancan: you need X before you need KDE =) |
| 00:12.04 | tony | candymancan , depends on the speed of your network |
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| 00:12.13 | illcit|work | candymancan: I used apt get kde and I still haven't manage to get it runnin yet, let me now how you go |
| 00:12.22 | angel12 | tony: i just tried apt-get install ncurses-devel and i get no package found |
| 00:12.31 | candymancan | OK, so, do I need to get something to run X, or does that come standard with Debian? |
| 00:12.35 | stew | angel12: libncurses5-dev |
| 00:12.41 | tony | angel12 , then try apt-cache seach ncurses-devel |
| 00:12.48 | stew | candymancan: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 00:12.55 | tony | it will search the apt cache and tell you the name of the correct package |
| 00:12.57 | Xenguy | candymancan: FFS, ignore tony for the moment and run this -> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:13.22 | angel12 | stew: thanks |
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| 00:13.29 | bluefox83 | anyone want to kill some time helping me get my dvdrw to burn an iso to cd? |
| 00:13.32 | stew | angel12: you'll want build-essential too |
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| 00:13.36 | Xenguy | tony: :-) |
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| 00:13.56 | takatumi | candymancan: on gentoo that would roughly be a day |
| 00:14.10 | candymancan | Eh, what would be? |
| 00:14.38 | candymancan | And "xserver-xfree86 is not installed". I'm using this as a desktop machine, so I didn't install any of the server functions. |
| 00:15.07 | PerfDave | candymancan: Uhm, you need an X server for a GUI. |
| 00:15.20 | candymancan | Well, that didn't work, so I guess I'm boned. |
| 00:15.21 | stew | !tell candymancan about set up x |
| 00:15.23 | tony | candymancan , ok you're going to need that... xserver-xfree86 isn't a 'server' |
| 00:15.39 | tony | I mean, it's a 'server' but it's for 'serving' you your GUI |
| 00:15.44 | candymancan | ...Well, I feel stupid now. Oh. |
| 00:15.49 | Xenguy | candymancan: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:15.53 | lgd_ | is there a program for monitorin the earth ? |
| 00:16.05 | lgd_ | like xplanet |
| 00:16.13 | iceman | theres a first time for everyone :) |
| 00:16.13 | stew | shutdown && go outside! :) |
| 00:16.26 | Xenguy | stew: heh |
| 00:16.43 | candymancan | OK, getting that. |
| 00:16.56 | stew | !find bin/xplaney |
| 00:17.00 | tony | lgd_ worldclock, but there's no satellite cloud data or anything |
| 00:17.02 | stew | !find bin/xplanet |
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| 00:17.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/xplaney' returned no results. |
| 00:17.07 | candymancan | Woohoo, gotten. But now what? |
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| 00:17.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/xplanet' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/xplanet) in graphics/xplanet. |
| 00:17.17 | candymancan | Wait, setup =\ |
| 00:17.51 | Xenguy | mwuhaha |
| 00:18.04 | takatumi | the blue screen of death? |
| 00:18.16 | Xenguy | candymancan: now follow your nose ;-) |
| 00:18.59 | candymancan | OK, I'm now looking at my desk. |
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| 00:19.14 | candymancan | Oooh, now I'm crosseyed looking *at* my nose! |
| 00:19.15 | takatumi | candymancan: is it messy? |
| 00:19.27 | candymancan | Not particularly. |
| 00:19.36 | Drakh | candy: apt-clean desk |
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| 00:19.49 | candymancan | ...Seriously though, what now? |
| 00:20.07 | tony | candyman, you might want to try 'apt-get install kdm' |
| 00:20.14 | candymancan | K, thankee tony. |
| 00:20.25 | takatumi | candymancan: apt-get install debian-reference |
| 00:20.45 | tony | that will install the software that _should_ get kde to launch automatically upon bboot |
| 00:21.19 | tony | bluefox83 , don't cry, dry your eye.... |
| 00:21.30 | candymancan | Awesome! So once the apt-get thing is over, I should just reboot? |
| 00:21.43 | stew | candymancan: you almost never need to reboot |
| 00:21.46 | cafuego | candymancan: Did you install new kernel? |
| 00:21.53 | PerfDave | candymancan: Nah, just do /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 00:21.55 | bluefox83 | tony, my dvdrw wont work =( i get different errors every time i try to run a different option =( |
| 00:21.55 | tony | candymancan , no guarantees |
| 00:22.00 | stew | candymancan: if you installed X then just startx should work |
| 00:22.08 | tony | bluefox83 , what app are you using? |
| 00:22.11 | candymancan | cafuego - no, I didn't. I'm too n00bish to understand that. |
| 00:22.13 | bluefox83 | cdrecord |
| 00:22.28 | tony | bluefox83 , are you using gnome or kde? |
| 00:22.37 | bluefox83 | using a 2.6.8 kernel in gnome |
| 00:22.56 | stew | bluefox83: what errors? |
| 00:23.17 | cafuego | candymancan: Unless you install a new kernel you won't need to reboot. Ever. |
| 00:23.22 | tony | hmm, I'm much less familiar with gnome these days.... I use K3b (a gui for burning cds / dvds for KDE) |
| 00:23.39 | tony | channel, what's a similar app for gnome? |
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| 00:23.49 | cafuego | tony: k3b works fine under Gnome. |
| 00:23.49 | bluefox83 | cannot get next writeable Address |
| 00:23.52 | candymancan | Well, that's fairly impressive. |
| 00:23.53 | bluefox83 | annot fixate disk |
| 00:23.55 | tony | cafuego , SCHWEEET! |
| 00:23.56 | bluefox83 | *cannot |
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| 00:24.11 | tony | bluefox83 apt-get install k3b |
| 00:24.16 | cafuego | candymancan: Sadly yes. (It should be normal, not special) |
| 00:24.29 | bluefox83 | tony, k3b uses cdrecord..it's just a front end |
| 00:24.32 | tony | bluefox83 , you sure that disk is blank? |
| 00:24.35 | Manet | Hi! Is there a way to make linux check how many MB has gone through e.g eth0 the past day (as in 24 hrs), and if its more than 10GB, control so that the down/upstream through eth0 isn't more than f.ex 10kB/s? |
| 00:24.53 | bluefox83 | i believe so..let me swap it out for a new one.. |
| 00:24.53 | cafuego | Manet: Yep. shaper/shaperd |
| 00:24.53 | dondelelcaro | Manet: yes, there are many ways to do that. |
| 00:25.05 | tony | Manet , shaperd |
| 00:25.13 | tony | doh, cafuego beat me to it |
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| 00:25.20 | Manet | shaperd does -all- of this or just the controling the up/downstream thingy? |
| 00:25.31 | Drakh | cafuego is super smart |
| 00:25.36 | tony | Manet, man shaperd |
| 00:25.44 | Manet | yupp, just need to install it first :) |
| 00:25.49 | cafuego | Drakh: I am indeed. |
| 00:25.57 | candymancan | Well, X just crashed and told me to get x-window-system-core, so I guess I should do that now? |
| 00:26.02 | Drakh | That's a confirmation |
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| 00:26.07 | tony | candymancan , yep |
| 00:26.08 | bluefox83 | ok, tried a blank one, still get the same crap, cannot get next writable address |
| 00:26.24 | tony | bluefox83 , hmmm..... |
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| 00:26.31 | candymancan | Damn, this is so much more impressive than Mandrake. |
| 00:26.35 | takatumi | !beer cafuego |
| 00:26.46 | tony | candymancan , no idea bro... never used it |
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| 00:27.05 | candymancan | It was what I used before...nothing nearly as easy to use as apt-get. |
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| 00:27.27 | tony | candymancan , yes, apt-get is an important step forward |
| 00:27.31 | takatumi | candymancan: try aptitude as well |
| 00:27.35 | angel12 | candymancan: urpmi |
| 00:27.35 | Drakh | candy: The benefit of the hundreds of people who work on Debian |
| 00:27.46 | dondelelcaro | !dstats |
| 00:27.54 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 16137 packages, 1412 maintainers, 31061 MB installed size, 10028 MB compressed size. |
| 00:28.03 | stew | 14 hundreds! |
| 00:28.27 | dondelelcaro | although, maintainers != developers... and people who don't maintain packages also contribute... |
| 00:28.33 | stew | yeah |
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| 00:29.02 | Compound-4 | n8i all |
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| 00:29.18 | nytechade | Hi, I'm looking for a command line tool that can log or assist in logging the transfer rate of my harddrive, can any one help me? |
| 00:29.19 | angel12 | is it possible to search the online archives? i used to use gentoo and i liked being able to get online and see what packages are available to me |
| 00:29.30 | resiak | angel12: packages.debian.org |
| 00:29.37 | tony | nytechade , for what purpose? |
| 00:29.40 | petemc | nytechade: hdparm |
| 00:30.00 | tony | nytechade , I like to use dd in one term while watching top in another |
| 00:30.02 | stew | angel12: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:30.26 | tony | nytechade , but that doesn't 'log' |
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| 00:30.45 | petemc | or show anything about how fast the disk is |
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| 00:30.54 | stew | or anything useful at all |
| 00:30.59 | nytechade | Im testing a cluster and need to measure how much a program is reading the hard drive |
| 00:31.02 | candymancan | Err...I installed the x-window-system-core thing, and now when I put in startx, I just get a black screen. |
| 00:31.17 | tony | candymancan , believe it or not, that's progress |
| 00:31.18 | tony | hehe |
| 00:31.25 | candymancan | Yes, it's yet to crash, at least. |
| 00:31.36 | candymancan | But it's also yet to display information beyond the number 0. |
| 00:31.55 | dondelelcaro | candymancan: blank? or grey with a moving cursor? |
| 00:31.59 | tony | candymancan , instead of 'startx' try 'startkde' |
| 00:31.59 | candymancan | blank. |
| 00:32.08 | bluefox83 | gah! |
| 00:32.08 | bluefox83 | i tried in k3b, it said the drive probably doesn't like the medium! |
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| 00:32.25 | tony | bluefox83 , perhaps those DVDs suck? |
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| 00:32.31 | candymancan | Well, uhh, how can I get out of the black screen of death so I can enter startkde? |
| 00:32.41 | stew | bluefox83: what kernel? |
| 00:32.45 | dondelelcaro | candymancan: cltrl-alt-backspace |
| 00:32.49 | bluefox83 | tony, it's cdr's and they're the same i always use |
| 00:32.54 | cafuego | candymancan: run "echo startkde > ~/.xsession" then run 'startx' |
| 00:32.55 | bluefox83 | stew 2.6.8 |
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| 00:33.09 | tk_ | what is the preferred dhcp client and server for woody? dhcp-client or dhcpcd |
| 00:33.10 | stew | wasn't there problems with burning and 2.6.8? |
| 00:33.18 | dondelelcaro | tk_: dhcp3-client |
| 00:33.22 | meff | i just upgraded to udev (updating gnome) and i have alsa compiled in kernel and udev isnt making those devices.. anyone know of a fix? |
| 00:33.26 | cafuego | stew: audio cds, burning as user, yes |
| 00:33.27 | tony | tk_ dhcpd is the server |
| 00:33.28 | dondelelcaro | tk_: and dhcp3-server; |
| 00:33.29 | bluefox83 | i have the patched version of 2.6.8 |
| 00:33.29 | takatumi | stew: that's what I read |
| 00:33.33 | stew | ok |
| 00:34.20 | candymancan | Do I want to just try startkde or that exho schtick that cafuego gave me? |
| 00:34.21 | tony | bluefox83 , perhaps the problem is a group perms issue then? |
| 00:34.38 | stew | tony: stop |
| 00:34.38 | takatumi | bluefox83: to ensure that it is'nt the medium, maybe try 2.6.7 or 2.4.x |
| 00:34.42 | tony | candymancan , rule 1. cafuego is worth listening to |
| 00:34.49 | candymancan | OK, shall do that then. |
| 00:34.55 | bluefox83 | takatumi, i get the same result in every kernel i have tried |
| 00:34.58 | Drakh | I like rule 1 |
| 00:35.02 | tk_ | i found a howto using dhcpcd and its server can this work with woody? I'm trying to set up a firewall/router? |
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| 00:35.44 | lgd_ | night all i go in bed =) |
| 00:35.48 | cafuego | candymancan: if you just run 'startkde' you'll get "Cannot open display", so that's kinda useless. startkde requires X to be running. |
| 00:35.59 | cafuego | tony: /msg dpkg cafuego disclaimer |
| 00:36.05 | lgd_ | in italy is 1.36 |
| 00:36.14 | PerfDave | tk_: To use DHCP on a Debian client, edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:36.16 | lgd_ | =) good night or morning |
| 00:36.22 | lgd_ | hiiii =) |
| 00:36.31 | tk_ | i want eth0 to get a dchp address from the cable provider and eth1 to server dhcp to other hosts |
| 00:36.42 | PerfDave | tk_: To run a DHCP server on a Debian box, "apt-cache search dhcp" to find the name of the ISC dhcp server, and install it. |
| 00:37.02 | candymancan | cafuego, I tried the echo thing, and it still failed. |
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| 00:37.31 | tk_ | PerfDave: I've edited /etc/network/interfaces. but can't fidn how to set up dhcp only static ips |
| 00:37.39 | PerfDave | tk_: man 5 interfaces |
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| 00:37.51 | scabber2 | I need more time with Debian and less time with a crummy book. Perhaps you guys have been in the same position in the past. |
| 00:37.53 | scabber2 | Anyone know a good site for book summaries? English reading is due tomorrow. "Not Wanted on the Voyage" by Timothly Findley. Worst book ever. |
| 00:37.57 | PerfDave | tk_: Or apt-get install etherconf |
| 00:38.19 | tk_ | PerfDave: thx i'll give that a try |
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| 00:38.50 | candymancan | So, as of rihgt now, kdm creates a series of apparently-random colored lines, then shuts down if I do anything, and startx does the same but gives me a warning messages to tell me to install x-window-config-core, which I already did. |
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| 00:39.25 | candymancan | Apparently there is a fatal server error that it could not find the font 'fixed' |
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| 00:40.06 | Drakh | candy: You need a fonts package |
| 00:40.08 | candymancan | and when I try apt-get install xfonts-base, it needs something that needs the fonts installed to install itself. |
| 00:40.19 | takatumi | heh |
| 00:40.35 | candymancan | xutils needs xfonts, and xfonts needs xutils =\ |
| 00:40.39 | Guerin | candymancan: how did you break your dependency tree so badly? |
| 00:40.49 | candymancan | Hell if I know. |
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| 00:40.58 | takatumi | !coffee Guerin |
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| 00:41.15 | bjay | on sarge, I didn't have sound. Then I installed gstreamer0.8-oss and got the sound to work, but after an apt-get upgrade I don't have sound any more. Any Ideas? |
| 00:41.16 | greemo | hi there, how do I find how long does it last the time wait? |
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| 00:41.20 | Guerin | I need no stinkin' coffee |
| 00:41.24 | loswillios | hi |
| 00:41.29 | meff | can someone clue me in how to get the alsa devices in /dev with udev on sid with alsa compiled in the kernel? |
| 00:41.31 | takatumi | Guerin: bong bong? |
| 00:41.34 | candymancan | Perchance I need to re-install x-window-system-core? |
| 00:41.36 | greemo | hi there, how do I find how long does it last the time_wait? |
| 00:41.36 | Guerin | nope |
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| 00:41.56 | Klebel | can somebody tell me the difference between OSS and ALSA? |
| 00:42.05 | bjay | meff: that might be what I need to. |
| 00:42.10 | Guerin | it's -6degc outside, beautifully sunny, I've just taught a class of 12 year olds, eaten an apple, and walked 5km home |
| 00:42.17 | greemo | Klebel: alsa is better |
| 00:42.34 | candymancan | The console is telling me to type 'apt-get -f install'. Will that install more than my hard drive can handle? (10 gigabytes) |
| 00:42.35 | Guerin | and I'm a free agent until 4pm, which is in a bit over 6 hours |
| 00:42.41 | Guerin | candymancan: no |
| 00:42.45 | doub | greemo: netstat -o will give you timer information |
| 00:42.46 | Guerin | candymancan: just do it |
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| 00:42.52 | candymancan | Well, I shall try it and hope for the best. |
| 00:42.52 | omry | cafuego, thanks it worked. now I have a new problem, more interesting: I had to manually recover some system files from a backup, and now I can't su to root. when I login it works, but not when I su. what do you think? |
| 00:43.02 | Drakh | candy: It should not be a big risk |
| 00:43.15 | greemo | doub: I need to set a sleep in a script |
| 00:43.21 | bluefox83 | ok, could the fact that the cdr's are made to be burned at up to speeds of 52x have anything to do with why it's not burning correctly? |
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| 00:43.41 | bluefox83 | i am using memorex 52x cdr's |
| 00:43.52 | candymancan | ...Well, that's new. |
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| 00:44.02 | bluefox83 | got a whoel damn stack of them |
| 00:44.05 | bluefox83 | *whole |
| 00:44.14 | bjay | greemo, how do I tell which one I am using? alsa or oss? |
| 00:44.14 | candymancan | Now I get a screen of random lines, then a gray screen with a cursor I can move, then it shuts down. |
| 00:44.22 | bluefox83 | my dvdrw is only rated up to 42x |
| 00:44.29 | illcit|work | hays guys!!!!!!! I got x going i think, but i did XFree86 -"cant rember" wher eyou get it to run from a different config file and now I am greated with a grey screen that I can move my mouse around on.... how do I exit it?/ |
| 00:44.31 | Drakh | candy: What is the error this time? |
| 00:44.31 | illcit|work | :D |
| 00:44.33 | doub | greemo: then maybe grep netstat on regular intervals |
| 00:44.39 | candymancan | oooooohhhh!!!! KDM works!! |
| 00:44.49 | candymancan | Oh frabjuous day! Callooh! Callay! |
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| 00:44.56 | takatumi | Drakh: try <tab> for nick completion |
| 00:45.01 | greemo | doub: it's not written somewhere in /proc |
| 00:45.10 | candymancan | Any reason why kdm works and not startx, however? |
| 00:45.19 | candymancan | ...Arrrgh! |
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| 00:45.32 | doub | greemo: maybe in /proc/sys/net/ip_conntrack |
| 00:45.36 | candymancan | It opens a logon screen that's all happy, but when I actually log on I get an error. |
| 00:45.37 | greemo | bjay: what's the name of your sound module? |
| 00:45.42 | illcit|work | candymancan: oi that grey screen you had, how did you exit it? Im stuck on that screen? |
| 00:45.51 | Drakh | Does not work, takatumi |
| 00:45.57 | Klebel | greemo: how is alsa better? |
| 00:46.02 | candymancan | Well, I wiggled the mouse around, and it quit back to the console. |
| 00:46.06 | omry | su wont work for me (the password is okay since I can login as root), which package contains base system files? |
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| 00:46.19 | takatumi | Drakh: apt-get install irssi-text :) |
| 00:46.25 | doub | greemo: /proc/net/netstat rather |
| 00:46.30 | bjay | greemo: lsmod shows cs461x |
| 00:46.35 | candymancan | Should I put my new ugly error message in #flood in the hopes that might help diagnose my problem? |
| 00:46.44 | greemo | you using oss |
| 00:46.58 | Drakh | candy: What is the last line? |
| 00:47.04 | Klebel | yea |
| 00:47.22 | candymancan | There's no spacing in the message. |
| 00:47.25 | bjay | greemo: ok, but it is not working. I don't have any sound. my first post above explains whats going on. |
| 00:47.51 | angel12 | hey if i make-kpkg kernel_image && make-kpkg, does that change grub? or do i have to reconfigure |
| 00:47.53 | candymancan | It says no terminal emulators, no session or window managers, no /home/(user name)/.xsession, screw you, basically. |
| 00:48.04 | greemo | Klebel: sorry I'm bit busy ... check the faq in the alsa website |
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| 00:48.30 | candymancan | Then it exits into the login screen, which I imagine I now need to find a way to get out of. |
| 00:48.43 | greemo | doub: there are lotsa numbers |
| 00:48.57 | candymancan | Ahh, console login. So, how does one get /home/username/.xsession to exist? |
| 00:49.01 | xio04 | is there a lsieee1394, or somthing like lsusb, & lspci? and what about scsi, ide, and agp devices |
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| 00:49.16 | doub | greemo: seems so, yes |
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| 00:49.42 | greemo | doub: got it (think so) it's 21834 |
| 00:49.50 | PerfDave | xio04: Uhm, agp devices show up in lspci |
| 00:49.53 | greemo | what's that mean? |
| 00:49.54 | Guerin | candymancan: if it doesn't exist, create it |
| 00:49.56 | takatumi | candymancan: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for lines with EE |
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| 00:50.07 | xio04 | ok- cool. what about firewire devices? |
| 00:50.10 | candymancan | It also wants a terminal emulator and window/session manager, however... |
| 00:50.15 | Guerin | xio04: dmesg |
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| 00:50.31 | Guerin | candymancan: no shit |
| 00:50.49 | greemo | doub: is TW? |
| 00:50.56 | angel12 | hey after i make-kpkg kernel_image && make-kpkg, do i have to do anything else when it is done? |
| 00:51.04 | candymancan | So, how do I get those? |
| 00:51.21 | takatumi | angel12: why && make-kpkg? |
| 00:51.33 | resiak | candymancan: apt-get install gdm, apt-get install xterm |
| 00:51.34 | doub | greemo: time wait depends on socket options, AFAIK. so it's different for every socket |
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| 00:51.38 | resiak | candymancan: (for example) |
| 00:51.41 | omry | how do I reinstall the entire base system? |
| 00:51.54 | PerfDave | omry: Why would you want to? |
| 00:51.59 | angel12 | takatumi, thats what i was told to do |
| 00:52.31 | omry | PerfDave, I did a manual recovery from a backup image (took some directories) and some basic things does not work. |
| 00:52.40 | PerfDave | omry: Such as? |
| 00:52.50 | Guerin | angel12: if you want to use the kernel, you'd need to install the package(s) |
| 00:53.01 | omry | such as 'su', rejects root password, which works fine for login. |
| 00:53.06 | greemo | doub: I'll check netstat -o thankz |
| 00:53.19 | PerfDave | omry: You may be better off reinstalling and restoring your data from backups? |
| 00:53.25 | angel12 | Guerin, how would i do that, im a deb newb, used to use gentoo |
| 00:53.33 | takatumi | Guerin: he's trying a kernel-compile |
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| 00:53.45 | Guerin | angel12: dpkg -i /path/to/kernel-image.deb |
| 00:53.54 | Guerin | angel12: wtf are you building your own kernel? |
| 00:53.59 | PerfDave | angel12: make-kpkg makes a kernel-image .deb in the directory above where you ran it (probably /usr/src) which you install with dpkg -i |
| 00:54.09 | omry | PerfDave, trying to avoid it.. I have already spent quite a lot of time recovering. |
| 00:54.44 | angel12 | Guerin, im using debian on a tablet pc, certain stuff i need on kernel |
| 00:54.45 | greemo | doub: what timewait (54.41/0/0) is supposed to mean? seconds? |
| 00:54.54 | stew | omry, <disclaimer> i have no idea if this is what you want, but: |
| 00:54.56 | Guerin | angel12: fair play, then. |
| 00:54.56 | stew | !reinstall |
| 00:54.56 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
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| 00:55.03 | cafuego | URGENT - HELP ME DISTRIBUTE MY $10 MILLION TO CHARITY |
| 00:55.11 | Guerin | that could well work |
| 00:55.16 | doub | greemo: the first of the three is the number of seconds before expiration of the timer |
| 00:55.18 | zignig | cafuego: i'll be a charity for you ! |
| 00:55.31 | Guerin | cafuego: ok, gimme 5 and I'll see what I can do |
| 00:55.34 | greemo | so I need to wait 54 sec? |
| 00:55.40 | cafuego | zignig: Okay, please send me your bank account details and a box containing US$10,000 in cash |
| 00:55.59 | doub | greemo: that's it. 54.41 seconds precisely, in this case |
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| 00:56.26 | omry | stew, ever tried that? |
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| 00:56.29 | angel12 | Guerin, after i did the dpkg -i, do i need to copy anything to /boot or change any settings for grub? |
| 00:56.42 | stew | omry: nope, but it looks sound |
| 00:56.46 | Guerin | angel12: shouldn't do. |
| 00:56.51 | illcit|work | hay how do you open another text window? |
| 00:56.55 | illcit|work | or command window |
| 00:56.59 | illcit|work | ir whatever its called |
| 00:57.00 | illcit|work | lol |
| 00:57.00 | stew | omry: its basically going to execute apt-get install --resinatll on every installed package |
| 00:57.01 | Guerin | illcit|work: depends |
| 00:57.01 | omry | stew, supposed to reinstall all install packages? |
| 00:57.12 | stew | omry: yes |
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| 00:57.27 | takatumi | angel12: check /boot/grub/menu.lst to make sure that the entries have been added |
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| 00:57.28 | shwag | what kernel is sarge going to be released with ? |
| 00:57.39 | greemo | doub: precious |
| 00:57.41 | Guerin | shwag: 2.4.latest and 2.6.latest |
| 00:57.42 | illcit|work | Guerin: well im stuck in an gray xwindow andI wanna try and open another shell window to kill the process |
| 00:57.48 | omry | stew, well going to give it a go.. |
| 00:57.50 | stew | shwag: 2.6.8 and 2.4.? |
| 00:57.58 | Guerin | illcit|work: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 00:58.03 | stew | Guerin: they are keeping 2.6.9 out of sarge currenlty |
| 00:58.04 | shwag | cool |
| 00:58.04 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I have a *great* charity you can donate to. The 'lets by dondelelcaro food, drink, clothing, cars, automobiles, and boats' charity |
| 00:58.15 | omry | stew, sounds like what I want.. |
| 00:58.18 | Guerin | stew: hrm, interesting. is it still broken? |
| 00:58.21 | useruser | do packages get held back by apt if new dependencies appear? |
| 00:58.34 | Guerin | useruser: yes |
| 00:58.39 | useruser | Guerin: ok |
| 00:58.42 | Guerin | useruser: unless you do dist-upgrade |
| 00:58.47 | stew | Guerin: dunno: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279594 |
| 00:59.01 | angel12 | awesome, if it all worked out, i will be back in a few minutes! |
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| 00:59.18 | Drakh | kick apt |
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| 00:59.49 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 279594 |
| 00:59.52 | dpkg | #279594:G[kernel-source-2.6.9] kernel-source-2.6.9: should not enter sarge |
| 00:59.53 | illcit|work | Guerin: cheers, you know how to display the proccess that are running (pkill kills em right?) |
| 00:59.56 | jcdubacq | hi |
| 01:00.09 | jcdubacq | anybody has udev working ? |
| 01:00.21 | doub | illcit|work: you can kill the xserver directly by pressing ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 01:00.23 | Guerin | illcit|work: ps ax |grep something |
| 01:00.31 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:00.33 | candymancan | ...Err. Now, when I run KDM and log in, I get a console screen in about 1/2 of the computer monitor and a plain blue background for the other 1/2. WTF? |
| 01:00.37 | Guerin | that's the worst bug ever |
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| 01:00.44 | jcdubacq | kernel 2.6.9 and almost everything fine, but I have no /dev/input/mice |
| 01:00.51 | jcdubacq | (sid unstable) |
| 01:00.51 | Guerin | no explanation, nothing |
| 01:00.57 | doub | illcit|work: provided you have it on the screen |
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| 01:01.18 | candymancan | Yes, that happens to me too, jcd. |
| 01:01.23 | Guerin | and in the mean time sarge is stuk with 2.6.8, which I presume is still brooken for some nfs and cdreord configurations? |
| 01:01.41 | Guerin | !kill my typist |
| 01:01.47 | shwag | jcdubacq, that happened to me too....my issue was related to udev |
| 01:01.48 | takatumi | Guerin: .9 works fine here btw, just compiled a fresh one to get process accounting going |
| 01:01.51 | candymancan | Does anyone know what problem jcd and I are facing? Because the same happens for me if I try startx. |
| 01:02.18 | shwag | i had the same udev problem, but im on gentoo |
| 01:02.23 | illcit|work | doub: cheers |
| 01:02.26 | illcit|work | w00t kde is working! |
| 01:02.39 | Guerin | takatumi: yeah, .9 works fine for me too, but it's plain kernel.org source, not debian |
| 01:02.41 | shwag | the udev release managers put out another version...and not my /dev/input/mice works fine |
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| 01:03.01 | jcdubacq | well as a workaround, you can still use /dev/gpmdata and install gpm to repeat /dev/psaux, but I do not know for usb mics |
| 01:03.07 | takatumi | Guerin: same here, couldn't get the debian kernel-source to compile |
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| 01:03.24 | Guerin | takatumi: i never tried... |
| 01:03.27 | candymancan | I can move the mouse, yet startx refuses to admit that the mouse exists. |
| 01:04.09 | jcdubacq | check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, that your mouse device points to something existing |
| 01:04.18 | jcdubacq | well |
| 01:04.26 | jcdubacq | It is probably a transient problem |
| 01:04.31 | Guerin | or you could just create /dev/input/mice |
| 01:04.48 | jcdubacq | I could... |
| 01:05.08 | Guerin | you need to do it properly though |
| 01:05.09 | jcdubacq | but that is not the point of udev to have hand-creation of devices |
| 01:05.14 | Guerin | ah |
| 01:05.16 | Guerin | udev |
| 01:05.17 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 01:05.26 | jcdubacq | :-( |
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| 01:05.59 | takatumi | jcdubacq: are the modules loaded? |
| 01:06.09 | jcdubacq | which modules? |
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| 01:06.14 | jcdubacq | mousedev and psmouse: yes |
| 01:06.35 | sliquid | what is the init mode for text only |
| 01:06.50 | jcdubacq | input: non-existent module in stock kernel. Probably hard-linked |
| 01:07.03 | jcole | i give up... any gnome/gtk2 samba gui client out there similar to qt/kde smb4K ? |
| 01:07.29 | takatumi | jcdubacq: try mdetect -v |
| 01:07.39 | doub | sliquid: there is none, by default (except single user) |
| 01:08.06 | sliquid | what is that? im trying to install the nvidia driver. |
| 01:08.10 | jcdubacq | dpkg -S mdetect ? |
| 01:08.11 | dpkg | There is no record of a mdetect package |
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| 01:08.32 | doub | sliquid: then switch to console with ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 01:08.36 | takatumi | jcdubacq: apt-get install mdetect ; mdetect -v |
| 01:08.40 | sliquid | thanks |
| 01:08.54 | candymancan | Ugh, I ran xf86config and changed the mouse thing to /dev/input/mice, but still nothing. |
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| 01:09.03 | sliquid | that didnt work |
| 01:09.10 | sliquid | i have to shut down the x server |
| 01:09.11 | takatumi | candymancan: try /dev/psaux |
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| 01:09.17 | candymancan | OK. |
| 01:09.53 | jcole | what's up with all the gtk1 apps *not* converted to gtk2 ? |
| 01:10.02 | jcdubacq | Found the following devices: /dev/ttyS0 /dev/ttyS1 /dev/psaux Detected intellimouse mouse on /dev/psaux |
| 01:10.16 | takatumi | jcdubacq: yeah, try /dev/psaux |
| 01:10.18 | sliquid | what is the init mode for single user mode? |
| 01:10.23 | useruser | sliquid: 1 |
| 01:10.24 | doub | sliquid: /etc/init.d/<x display manager> stop, where <x disp manager> can be kdm/gdm/xdm depending on the one you installed |
| 01:10.27 | sliquid | thanks |
| 01:10.47 | jcole | candymancan: you may need to run modconf and load a mouse driver |
| 01:10.48 | candymancan | I have exactly the same problem as jcdubacq, it appears. |
| 01:11.02 | candymancan | K, I'll try that. |
| 01:11.11 | stew | candymancan: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 01:11.22 | jcdubacq | takatumi, sorry. I did not explain well. This works for me (I use /dev/psaux already) but I would like the @@@ing /dev/input/mice |
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| 01:11.53 | takatumi | jcdubacq: you need event interface for that, dunno what module |
| 01:11.55 | bsims | Ok thats ODD, I did a apt-get update on Sid, now SuperKaramba is running, I can select the right mouse options for it, its just invisible... if I attempt to close it sigsevs |
| 01:12.10 | useruser | jcole: linneighborhood is not what you want? |
| 01:12.29 | jcole | useruser: sure, but it looks like shit |
| 01:12.33 | jcdubacq | I think they removed input.ko from the stock debian kernel. Why would they do that? |
| 01:12.37 | jcole | i mean sh*t |
| 01:12.38 | useruser | jcole: ah, an aesthete |
| 01:12.54 | useruser | jcole: squint when you use it |
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| 01:13.11 | jcdubacq | I am going to let it sleep for one night |
| 01:13.15 | jcdubacq | will try again later |
| 01:13.22 | takatumi | jcdubacq: try evdev |
| 01:13.46 | doub | jcdubacq: if your mouse works through /dev/psaux, what's the problem then? |
| 01:13.59 | takatumi | jcdubacq: modprobe evdev |
| 01:14.24 | jcole | useruser: ya, i guess i am... gtk1 themes don't even work with debian, unless you hack up some config files |
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| 01:14.29 | jcdubacq | modprobe -a evdev, still no /dev/input |
| 01:14.37 | useruser | jcole: apt-cache search gnome samba seems to suggest gnomba |
| 01:14.41 | takatumi | jcdubacq: go to sleep |
| 01:14.49 | jcdubacq | yeah, probably |
| 01:14.53 | jcdubacq | thanks anyway |
| 01:16.05 | doub | jcole: if that's style you're about, i heard nautilus can browse windows networks |
| 01:16.12 | misfitx7 | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc/netboot/ are these files used for a netinstall too? |
| 01:16.13 | FieldySnuts | smb://blah |
| 01:16.33 | stew | blah: server not found |
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| 01:17.09 | bsims | hrm not sigseving now but still no love |
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| 01:18.24 | jcole | doub: nautilus has the smbclient limitations... you can't create a new file and/or edit it for example |
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| 01:18.39 | jcole | doub: it's like ftp mode |
| 01:18.50 | jcole | doub: doesn't do smbmounting |
| 01:18.51 | candymancan | Daaamnit! I did what it said for me to do with the dpkg command, and now startx gives me a gray screen with a cursor I can control, but then shuts down again and says it can't find the mice. |
| 01:19.17 | thomas001 | hi, can i make apt fetch the source code of a package,compile and install it? |
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| 01:19.24 | jcole | candymancan: if all else fails, try "X -configure" |
| 01:19.30 | useruser | candymancan: i expect you have more than one mouse configured and it can only find one. |
| 01:19.47 | useruser | thomas001: yeah |
| 01:20.14 | candymancan | No, only one mouse configured, and it can't be found. |
| 01:20.15 | stew | thomas001: /msg dpkg source |
| 01:20.24 | stew | candymancan: what kernel version |
| 01:20.26 | schbond | how would I go about using sed to filter the results of 'file'? |
| 01:20.29 | candymancan | I did X -configure and it responds that it cant find my mouse and needs libglide |
| 01:20.38 | candymancan | And I'm not entirely sure how to check, stew. Accursed n00bish me. |
| 01:20.42 | misfitx7 | can i write a .img file to a directory? |
| 01:20.43 | adam_ | My system was running sweetly until (although it may not cause & effect) I logged in client user in a two-machine home network using ltsp. I lost X server with error messages that 'cannot open device /dev/psaux. No such device', & 'cannot open /dev/mouse, no such file or directory', and 'Generic mouse: cannot open input device'. Other people on this channel seem to have similar prboblems. Is this a debian bug ? Whatever, any ideas for a fix |
| 01:20.44 | doub | jcole: install windows then, you'll have a stylish interface that does what you want |
| 01:20.57 | stew | schbond: what do you mean? are you sure you don't want grep? |
| 01:21.07 | takatumi | fucking mice day |
| 01:21.10 | jcole | doub: ya, ok, sure, let me back up my files first... |
| 01:21.24 | schbond | stew: I am writing a script for class, and I want to run a specified command for various filetypes |
| 01:21.39 | thomas001 | useruser: how? i found -b,but it only builds,it does not install |
| 01:21.46 | misfitx7 | can i write a .img file to a directory? |
| 01:21.56 | stew | schbond: sounds to me like you just want a bash "case" statement |
| 01:21.58 | useruser | thomas001: type /msg dpkg source as stew suggested |
| 01:22.04 | schbond | stew: if I run 'file -b' on a non-executable file, I get "Bourne-Again shell script text", whereas if it is executable I get "Bourne-Again shell script text executable" |
| 01:22.06 | tk_ | dhcp ??? i'm using dhcp-client to get an ip address from my ISP on eth0, which dchp server should i use to distribute ip addresses on eth1 |
| 01:22.07 | useruser | thomas001: nice instructions there |
| 01:22.22 | thomas001 | useruser: it only told me what i knew...i still have to manually install the binary |
| 01:22.29 | useruser | thomas001: oh, i didn't read your question :) once you've built the package you can use dpkg -i to install it |
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| 01:22.44 | doub | jcole: what i ment is that samba is ment for interoperability, it's not a native unix file sharing protocol |
| 01:22.44 | schbond | stew: right now I have this line for example: if [ "$(file -b $param)" = "Bourne-Again shell script text " ] ; then; bash $param; fi |
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| 01:23.08 | useruser | thomas001: you could write a script to automate it if you're feeling unhappy about this |
| 01:23.15 | thomas001 | useruser: hmm yeah,i tought there is some automatisation of that,but a small script will do |
| 01:23.23 | thomas001 | thx useruser and stew! |
| 01:23.25 | schbond | stew: but I want it to work on both executable and non-executable scripts |
| 01:23.32 | doub | jcole: so it seems quite normal it's not completely supported with all the fuss that goes with it |
| 01:23.33 | bluefox83 | i'm trying to change my bootloader from grub to lilo, but lilo -M /dev/hda1 is returning a funky error: Fatal: Not a device with partitions '/dev/hda1' |
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| 01:24.06 | bluefox83 | but /dev/hda1 is where my mbr is and such |
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| 01:24.19 | useruser | bluefox83: use /dev/hda, not /dev/hda1 |
| 01:24.26 | bluefox83 | k |
| 01:24.40 | useruser | bluefox83: /dev/hda1 *is* a partition, so it doesn't have any partitions; /dev/hda is a disk so does have partitions |
| 01:24.42 | candymancan | How can it still not find the damned mouse!!! |
| 01:25.00 | bluefox83 | candymancan, try modprobe psmouse |
| 01:25.16 | useruser | candymancan: you can move your mouse and the cursor moves when X starts, before it dies, right? |
| 01:25.45 | big | can aney 1 help me? |
| 01:25.45 | candymancan | Yes. |
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| 01:26.01 | candymancan | Then it says it can't find the mouse despite that it was just following it! |
| 01:26.07 | jcole | doub: i'm aware of that, kde has a nice smb browser, but i hate kde... my rant is what's up with all the "stuck on gtk1" apps... like xmms or gmplayer (they are multimedia apps for god's sake)... maybe i missed a gtk2 religious war or something |
| 01:26.09 | stew | schbond: if you just want a way to strip the last word off you can use % |
| 01:26.11 | useruser | candymancan: edit the file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with your favourite text editor, as root |
| 01:26.17 | bluefox83 | big, not unless you tell us whats wrong |
| 01:26.20 | big | can aney 1 help me? |
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| 01:26.23 | stew | schbond: a=`file -b $param` ; echo ${a% *} |
| 01:26.24 | useruser | candymancan: look for the mouse entries. comment out the one(s) which look wrong |
| 01:26.26 | schbond | stew: so bash $param |
| 01:26.46 | doub | candymancan: try "cat <mouse device>", if it prints a bunch of strange caracters each time you move your mouse then the problem is on x side, else it's either not the correct driver or device |
| 01:26.49 | schbond | oops, so: if [ "$(file -b $param)" = "Bourne-Again shell script text %" ] ... should work? |
| 01:27.03 | jcole | doub: in my opinion, gnome is more like osx and kde is more like winduhs |
| 01:27.04 | candymancan | What should I put for <mouse device>, PS2? |
| 01:27.06 | useruser | doub: the X server can see his mouse - it moves when I starts |
| 01:27.32 | useruser | candymancan: how many Sections do you have to do with mouses? |
| 01:27.45 | candymancan | and modprobe psmouse says it can't locate module psmouse |
| 01:27.56 | stew | schbond: no, i ws saying do something like type=`file -b $param` if [ "${type% *}" ] = "Bourne-Again shell script text" ] |
| 01:27.57 | candymancan | And user, I'm sorry but I have no clue what you mean by sections =( |
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| 01:28.07 | useruser | candymancan: are you editing /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 01:28.11 | schbond | stew: ok, thanks, I'll try it |
| 01:28.20 | stew | schbond: ${type% *} means remove " *" from the end of type |
| 01:28.28 | jcole | candymancan: cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > #flood |
| 01:28.35 | useruser | candymancan: yeah, do that |
| 01:28.38 | doub | jcole: kind of. but i'm not religious |
| 01:28.39 | schbond | stew: awesome, thanks |
| 01:28.55 | candymancan | jcole, I'm not using IRC on my linux box, this is my other box, so that won't work. |
| 01:29.03 | candymancan | and useruser, no, how do I do that? |
| 01:29.04 | stew | schbond: %% means the same but "maximal munch", # and ## mean remove from the front |
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| 01:29.13 | jcole | candymancan: ssh to it? |
| 01:29.18 | useruser | candymancan: apt-get install irssi |
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| 01:29.48 | asuffield | stew: that's foul. use a bloody regexp |
| 01:29.49 | stew | candymancan: he means irssi-text |
| 01:29.49 | candymancan | irssi is uninstallable for some reason... |
| 01:29.57 | bluefox83 | ... |
| 01:30.03 | useruser | candymancan: yeah, sorry. irssi-text |
| 01:30.46 | candymancan | OK, gotten, now what? |
| 01:31.04 | candymancan | It's on IRC. |
| 01:31.07 | useruser | candymancan: run irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
| 01:31.21 | bluefox83 | eh |
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| 01:31.35 | stew | asuffield: me like it |
| 01:31.38 | useruser | candymancan: then /j #debian, /j #flood |
| 01:31.49 | bluefox83 | you might try irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n candymancan |
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| 01:32.07 | soften | but not as root. |
| 01:32.07 | takatumi | candymancan2: not as root |
| 01:32.10 | bluefox83 | yeah..don't come in as root..running irssi as root is baaaaaaad |
| 01:32.33 | useruser | heh |
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| 01:33.44 | candymancan2 | OK, not root now. |
| 01:33.45 | palomer | hullo |
| 01:33.52 | palomer | what's the package for hearts (the card game) |
| 01:33.56 | jcole | hi ben |
| 01:33.58 | candymancan2 | So what should I type again? |
| 01:34.08 | useruser | candymancan: /exec -out #flood cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:34.17 | useruser | candymancan2: i think (untested) |
| 01:34.36 | useruser | candymancan2: you may have to /j #flood first |
| 01:34.37 | tony | have a good night! |
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| 01:35.59 | candymancan | ...Didn't seem to do anything. |
| 01:36.27 | Wyzard | hmm... gnome-volume-manager depends on hal, and how hal depends on udev |
| 01:36.40 | _kris_ | hey, I got a newbie question: how can I logout of X without rebooting? I read something about init 3 and init 1 but they don't work here |
| 01:37.08 | soften | _kris_, perhaps just type control-alt-f2 |
| 01:37.18 | soften | x is still x'ing but you're out of it for the moment |
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| 01:37.45 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 01:37.46 | soften | before trying it, perhaps note that control-alt-f7 puts you back where you were |
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| 01:38.54 | pixelmonkey | question... I have a buggy package that I want to install WITHOUT configuring... I know I can do dpkg --unpack package_1.deb, but then I want to just skip configuration (because the configuration is buggy, and, as it turns out, unnecessary) any idea how to do this? |
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| 01:39.10 | Wyzard | pixelmonkey: You can use dpkg-deb to unpack a package |
| 01:39.13 | _kris_ | hey soften , that whas it, thx |
| 01:39.27 | Wyzard | though that'll just put the files in the current directory |
| 01:39.35 | soften | if you want x to die, you can -> killall gdm |
| 01:39.36 | _kris_ | I just needed to figure out how to get back to my running X |
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| 01:39.54 | pixelmonkey | Wyzard: I kinda wanted dpkg to "know about it" so that other packages which depend on it will still install |
| 01:40.08 | _kris_ | killal gdm in that konsole after ctrl-alt-f2 i guess right? |
| 01:40.23 | pixelmonkey | Wyzard, basically the postinst script is buggy and returns an error to dpkg, but I looked at the postinst script and it does nothing that's necessary anyway |
| 01:40.28 | pixelmonkey | Wyzard, so I just want to work around it |
| 01:40.30 | soften | killall gdm as root will let x exit normally when you select "logout" from x |
| 01:40.31 | takatumi | _kris_: ctrl alt F7 will get you back to X |
| 01:40.36 | Wyzard | pixelmonkey: You could also just fix the preinst/postinst scrpt... they're kept in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 01:40.56 | pixelmonkey | Wyzard, yea, I can't easily find out what the problem is tho |
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| 01:40.58 | _kris_ | i found the ctrl-alt f7, thats what took me back here |
| 01:41.04 | Wyzard | pixelmonkey: Perhaps "fix" could mean "put an 'exit 0' command at the beginning of the script" :-) |
| 01:41.12 | pixelmonkey | Wyzard, oh, good point |
| 01:41.18 | Wyzard | pixelmonkey: And submit a bug report, of course |
| 01:41.25 | _kris_ | soften, I dont really get your last msg |
| 01:41.26 | doub | pixelmonkey: if you think the postinst script does nthing usefull, comment it all out and reinstall |
| 01:41.45 | pixelmonkey | doub, I should just do dpkg-reconfigure right, because dpkg -i will overwrite my modded postinst script |
| 01:41.46 | pixelmonkey | ? |
| 01:42.02 | soften | _kris_, if you killall gdm -- then when you quit the x window system, it drops you back to a prompt instead of logging you out. |
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| 01:42.18 | doub | pixelmonkey: apt-get -f install |
| 01:42.27 | _kris_ | I'm actually trying to logoyt X so I can install an nVidia driver for my very first custom kernel |
| 01:42.30 | pixelmonkey | doub, ah, ok |
| 01:42.44 | candymancan2 | Uhh, useruser seems to have disappeared, so can anyone help me with the whole /usr/input/mice not existing schtick? |
| 01:42.48 | doub | pixelmonkey: but better yet, put exit 0 at head as Wyzard pointed out, less hassle |
| 01:42.54 | _kris_ | and then startx will get me back in right? |
| 01:43.07 | soften | and startx starts up the x window system once more, yes |
| 01:43.28 | takatumi | _kris_: if you are using gdm, just type gdm |
| 01:43.31 | _kris_ | thanks, I'll try that |
| 01:43.35 | soften | don't startx as root. |
| 01:43.37 | _kris_ | see you later guys |
| 01:43.43 | _kris_ | no, as kris |
| 01:43.55 | angel12 | im trying to use a custom kernel, and i dont know why but i cant use the usb keyboard/mouse (mandatory for my laptop).. I have set all the usb settings to modules, didnt work, then i tried built in, didnt work, any help? kernel 2.6.8 |
| 01:43.57 | soften | just didn't want to leave it unsaid, as I did with the ctrl-alt-f7 bit earlier |
| 01:44.13 | Klebel | how can i SSH to another box, and run an app remotely to my PC? |
| 01:44.14 | _kris_ | thx for the help |
| 01:44.51 | useruser | !online |
| 01:44.56 | MerlinCorey | Klebel: with... dun dun dun! ssh |
| 01:45.00 | useruser | Klebel: ssh -X remotebox then run the app |
| 01:45.16 | doub | angel12: did you compile input devices in? |
| 01:45.34 | angel12 | doub: yep |
| 01:46.06 | doub | angel12: what does dmesg say about them? |
| 01:46.14 | takatumi | angel12: try disabling usb legacy support in the bios |
| 01:46.16 | Wyzard | Klebel: If you're doing X forwarding with SSH, you probably want to use -C (compression) too |
| 01:46.18 | pixelmonkey | Wyzard, sweet, it worked, thanks. |
| 01:46.56 | jrr | slashdot says gnome2.8 is gunna make it into sarge. woot. |
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| 01:47.52 | takatumi | xorg should be pushed too |
| 01:47.54 | angel12 | doub: where can i post it? |
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| 01:48.00 | Klebel | k |
| 01:48.06 | pipeline | Nautilus is hung as an unkillable process. Starting any other nautilus results in two hung nautilus processes. Starting "nautilus --quit" has the same effect. Starting "nautilus --sm-disable --oaf-private --quit" has thesame effect. Any tips would be appreciated. |
| 01:48.13 | doub | angel12: on #flood |
| 01:48.29 | jrr | pipeline: unkillable? |
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| 01:48.33 | jrr | like -9 doesn't work? |
| 01:48.40 | angel12 | doub: its there |
| 01:48.50 | Wyzard | pipeline: Run ps... if its status is 'D', there's not much you can do except reboot, or hope that whatever buggy kernel function it's stuck in gets unstuck and returns |
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| 01:48.57 | relbs | is there a tool to extract individual frames out of an MPEG clip and save them as separate image files? |
| 01:48.58 | man_in_shack | o |
| 01:49.06 | soften | oh man, someone said reboot. "shudder" |
| 01:49.07 | man_in_shack | i'm having trouble setting PS1 for xterms |
| 01:49.13 | Agrajag- | relbs: ffmpeg |
| 01:49.43 | Wyzard | soften: A process can't be killed while it's in uninterruptible sleep |
| 01:49.46 | man_in_shack | export PS1='\e[01;33m[\e[0;31m\u\e[01;34m@\e[0;35m\h\e[01;33m] \e[0;36m\l \e[0;32m\w\e[01;36m\$ \e[0m\e[m' << that's what i'v got atm |
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| 01:49.53 | MajorPoopyPants | I wonder how well ffmpeg works with deb - and if theres a WMP capable stream |
| 01:49.57 | relbs | Agrajag-: thanks! |
| 01:50.01 | doub | angel12: so they are detected correctly by the kernel |
| 01:50.07 | MajorPoopyPants | that way I can watch tv at work lol |
| 01:50.13 | doub | angel12: but you can't use them, right? |
| 01:50.17 | MajorPoopyPants | ill put on foxnews or something |
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| 01:50.22 | pipeline | jrr, Wyzard: Bingo. Status Dsl. And apparently Nautilus makes no provision for starting a second process. |
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| 01:50.26 | Wyzard | MajorPoopyPants: I'm pretty sure mplayer can play WMV |
| 01:50.55 | MajorPoopyPants | Wyzard, no Im talkign about being able to watch my streaming video from windows media player on my work computer |
| 01:50.56 | angel12 | doub: thats with the stock sarge kernel |
| 01:50.58 | jrr | some wmv |
| 01:51.07 | angel12 | doub: i cant use them with the kustom kernel |
| 01:51.19 | MajorPoopyPants | wait a minute brb |
| 01:51.26 | Wyzard | pipeline: Though if it's hung in 'D' state, it shouldn't be doing anything at all, so it can't be responsible for other processes hanging too |
| 01:51.30 | doub | Wyzard: you'll need dll codecs and the right compile time options |
| 01:51.57 | Wyzard | pipeline: More likely, it's something in the kernel that's confused (perhaps a device driver talking to confused hardware) and the second nautilus is just running into the same problem that the first one did |
| 01:52.00 | doub | angel12: and what happens with your kernel then? |
| 01:52.12 | cafuego | !stawlker me |
| 01:52.12 | dpkg | $1: CAN YOU TELL ME ANY COMMAND PROMPT COMMANDS!!!! |
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| 01:52.46 | Wyzard | methinks dpkg forgot to substitute for that "$1" |
| 01:52.47 | angel12 | doub: it loads and gdm starts, but i cannot use the kbd/mouse |
| 01:53.05 | takatumi | angel12: try disabling usb legacy support in the bios |
| 01:53.08 | doub | angel12: i mean is dmesg saying anything about input devices? |
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| 01:55.34 | nbr1lamer | ?? angel12, before you disable, do you have any devises plused in any USB |
| 01:55.47 | nbr1lamer | plug |
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| 02:00.11 | MrPoopyPants | can anyone tell me what package to install to I can run a local ntp server? |
| 02:00.11 | angel12 | takatumi, there is no such setting in my bios, its a tablet pc |
| 02:00.13 | deadcat | does tvtime record tv or what do i need? |
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| 02:01.18 | osiris_ | morning all. |
| 02:01.23 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: u =~ s#'you'.#'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201# |
| 02:01.23 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 02:01.38 | angel12 | doub, i cant dmesg in the new kernel, i have no keyboard support at all |
| 02:02.11 | doub | angel12: no network connection either? |
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| 02:02.34 | zeeeee | hi all, how do i print with colors in my shell (e.g., in PS1)? i can't find any resources that talk about this on google or man pages |
| 02:03.12 | nbr1lamer | agel12, type laptop |
| 02:03.22 | angel12 | doub, i am sure i have network, i dont have linux on another computer to ssh through |
| 02:03.58 | angel12 | nbr1lamer, huh? |
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| 02:04.21 | Agrajag- | deadcat: mythtv is an excellent package for recording tv |
| 02:04.51 | nbr1lamer | USB problem, and laptops, so what are you running hardwise |
| 02:04.56 | useruser | candymancan: cat /dev/psaux and wiggle the mouse. do you see rubbish appearing on the screen? |
| 02:04.59 | doub | angel12: one thing you can try is doing a diff on the stock kernel config, and yours, to see if there is any USB or INPUT related config you might have missed |
| 02:05.11 | Samooka | greetings... how can I rebuild the rc?.d scripts I erased? |
| 02:05.22 | Samooka | more exactly, the alsa portion |
| 02:05.28 | angel12 | nbr1lamer, its a tablet pc, compaq tc1000 |
| 02:05.42 | nbr1lamer | ok |
| 02:05.43 | dondelelcaro | Samooka: with update-rc.d, or by reinstalling the affected package. |
| 02:06.30 | takatumi | angel12: or do a diff with my .config at gpoppy.org, its a compaq presario laptop |
| 02:06.50 | angel12 | i have built the same kernel with the same options on gentoo and it worked fine using them as modules, but i dont know what file i guess that i need to edit to add the modules to load at boot |
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| 02:06.59 | Samooka | dondelelcaro, thx |
| 02:07.00 | angel12 | in debian |
| 02:07.18 | doub | angel12: /etc/modules maybe |
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| 02:07.40 | kev_ | inside menu.lst can you put in root (sda1,0) |
| 02:07.48 | kev_ | or do you have to edite devices.map and change it |
| 02:07.51 | TCW | angel12, use modconf (it is a debian specific gui for module-loading) or edit /etc/modules manually |
| 02:08.20 | angel12 | TCW, i just tried modconf, no command found, do i need to apt-get? |
| 02:08.37 | nbr1lamer | angle12: really need to figure out conflict ... thinking of best approach |
| 02:08.42 | Kerr | Can anyone reccomend a macromedia fireworks-like image editing something, aside Gimp ? |
| 02:08.59 | angel12 | Kerr, wine with fireworks |
| 02:09.00 | TCW | angel12, sarge? If yes, then you need to install it first... |
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| 02:09.31 | TCW | I don't know why this issn't standard anymore |
| 02:09.43 | Kerr | angel12: i doubt any usefull version of fireworkd would run on this box |
| 02:09.48 | man_in_shack | ok ... one of my users isn't running ~/.profile on login |
| 02:10.03 | Kerr | pentium 3 450mhz, 128mb sdram. Hardly state of the art. |
| 02:10.46 | mwilson | man_in_shack: Ok, does he use a shell that actually pays ATTENTION to ~/.profile ? |
| 02:11.13 | man_in_shack | mwilson, bash ... |
| 02:11.22 | peterS | man_in_shack: and does he have a .bash_profile? |
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| 02:12.05 | a_monkey | i understand that since i have a nvidia geforce2 mx, i must install some sort of driver for the gui to be able to render anything to my screen? |
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| 02:14.11 | a_monkey | i was told to look here for help: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 02:14.45 | scorphus | hello people! |
| 02:14.54 | a_monkey | but i am told that the package "nvidia-kernel-common" cannot be found, when i try to install it, as specified in the link |
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| 02:15.08 | a_monkey | plz help, somebody |
| 02:15.08 | mwilson | a_monkey: What's wrong with the normal 'nv' driver? |
| 02:15.20 | a_monkey | mwilson: ? how do i get that? |
| 02:15.41 | scorphus | how to prevent a user to access parent directory from his home folder via ssh? |
| 02:15.58 | scorphus | something like ftpchroot |
| 02:15.59 | Wyzard | a_monkey: The "nv" driver comes with XFree86 and you don't need to install anything extra, but it doesn't provide 3D acceleration |
| 02:16.09 | a_monkey | mwilson: oh that one |
| 02:16.12 | Guerin | !ssh chroot |
| 02:16.13 | dpkg | ssh chroot is probably Stop. Read http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/121/325425 and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 02:16.14 | Wyzard | a_monkey: The nvidia-kernel stuf fis for nVidia's proprietary closed-source driver, which provides 3D |
| 02:16.14 | a_monkey | oops |
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| 02:16.40 | mwilson | man_in_shack: If you actually read the man page for bash, you will learn what initialization files it uses, and when it uses them, and when it does NOT use them. |
| 02:16.54 | a_monkey | Wyzard: but when i enter a gnome session, my screen is TOTALLY BLACK |
| 02:17.07 | mwilson | a_monkey: How is that relevant? |
| 02:17.23 | Wyzard | a_monkey: I dunno about that... if you didn't have a working driver, X just wouldn't be able to start at all |
| 02:17.28 | scorphus | Guerin: thanx ;) |
| 02:17.42 | mwilson | a_monkey: First you say you need to configure X, now you say X is starting up. |
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| 02:18.02 | a_monkey | mwilson: well it starts up, just the gui won't render anything to the screen |
| 02:18.05 | man_in_shack | peterS, thanks |
| 02:18.08 | a_monkey | mwilson: which i really need to fix |
| 02:18.27 | dan2 | ~tell a_monkey about nodm |
| 02:18.37 | man_in_shack | mwilson, but the manpage for bash is a book |
| 02:18.45 | mwilson | a_monkey: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
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| 02:18.55 | mwilson | man_in_shack: So? Your point being? |
| 02:18.56 | Guerin | ok, a bit of advice on the sanest way to ssl some areas and virtualhosts and not others |
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| 02:19.05 | Guerin | using apache, I mean |
| 02:19.15 | mwilson | man_in_shack: You don't see a reason to actually learn how to use the software? |
| 02:19.34 | Guerin | currently running apache 1.3.x with mod_ssl, but damned if I can get the thing to listen on both 80 for normal http and 443 for https |
| 02:19.46 | man_in_shack | mwilson, well ok, i didn't think of that |
| 02:19.59 | gary | Im trying to customize my aterm shell. However i was reading a site and it said to put the properties in ~/.Xresources but when i run aterm it doesnt pick these properties up. Is this because debian doesnt use this file ? |
| 02:19.59 | initech | Guerin: ? they're separate packages |
| 02:20.02 | man_in_shack | mwilson, i thought .profile was always run on login |
| 02:20.19 | a_monkey | what the heck is fN? |
| 02:20.19 | scorphus | Guerin: most of time we can't stop and think about somethings, huh? |
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| 02:20.45 | Guerin | initech: so I need to run plain apache on 80 and apache-ssl on 443 ? |
| 02:20.52 | initech | Guerin: yes |
| 02:21.03 | Guerin | initech: that's why I cannae get it working, then |
| 02:21.08 | scorphus | Guerin: thanks again for the link |
| 02:21.18 | initech | Guerin: and if you've figured out virtual hosts (> 1) with apache-ssl, I'd like to know how :) |
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| 02:21.27 | Guerin | scorphus: no sweat :) |
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| 02:22.00 | nbr1lamer | angle12: did you tell me you have /kernal/drivers/usb/hid and .../storage plus some other usb module |
| 02:22.20 | a_monkey | dan2: so i obey apt_ and all my problems are gone? |
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| 02:23.21 | Guerin | initech: hrm. I will be trying, at least. I'm not worried too much about vhosts, as much as protecting certain directories, if possible. |
| 02:23.36 | scorphus | someone here use xfce4? |
| 02:23.47 | jrr | scorphus: me |
| 02:23.56 | jrr | my poor mac chokes on gnome |
| 02:23.57 | scorphus | jrr: sarge? |
| 02:24.00 | jrr | sid |
| 02:24.03 | initech | Guerin: well the problem is the certificate is tied to one name and one ip, and it does not work any other way, afaik. that's just ssl |
| 02:24.20 | scorphus | jrr: mmm.. what is the version? |
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| 02:24.35 | nz17 | I need a suggestion for software to make some MPEG's with. |
| 02:24.43 | nz17 | I need to simply add audio to a still frame. |
| 02:25.15 | Guerin | initech: a name AND an ip? I know it's tied to an IP, and I don't care if the cert name doesn't match the vhost name... shouldn't it just error? |
| 02:25.31 | jrr | 4.0.6 |
| 02:25.37 | jrr | wow it was way too hard to find that |
| 02:25.46 | scorphus | jrr: yeah... same as me |
| 02:25.47 | gilbertbsd | nz17, can't you speak when the pix comes up? |
| 02:25.53 | stew | Guerin: are you trying to use certs for multiple vhosts on the same ip? |
| 02:26.01 | initech | Guerin: well part of ssl is verification of identity of the server, not just encryption, so it makes sense. try it and see |
| 02:26.09 | scorphus | jrr: lol... how is the menu? does it show icons? |
| 02:26.22 | Guerin | stew: yeah |
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| 02:26.27 | stew | Guerin: impossible |
| 02:26.35 | nz17 | Well you see, I have a friend who makes a sprite comic. We wanted to do some commentary for the compilation CD we |
| 02:26.38 | jcole | what varible do i set for my include paths for compiling? |
| 02:26.48 | stew | Guerin: ssl negotiation happens before server name is sent |
| 02:26.49 | nz17 | will be selling. So we thought we'd use old favorite strips and comment about them. |
| 02:26.53 | initech | stew: yeah, it breaks basic principles of ssl |
| 02:26.58 | Guerin | stew: right, ok. |
| 02:27.11 | jrr | scorphus: which menu? |
| 02:27.31 | scorphus | jrr: that one which appears when you left click the desktop |
| 02:27.34 | Guerin | stew: so anything secure needs to be in a single vhost... I can use meta refresh to redirect people, I guess. |
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| 02:27.56 | stew | Guerin: yeah. 1 cert per ip/port pair is pretty much the rule |
| 02:27.59 | initech | Guerin: or use different ports (clunky) |
| 02:28.06 | jrr | i have one when i right click that has no icons, but left click doesn't do anything |
| 02:28.09 | jrr | prolly just configuration |
| 02:28.15 | nz17 | So I need a program that can take a PNG file and append audio. |
| 02:28.15 | stew | Guerin: think of ssl as being a layer 3 thing and vhost is an app layer thing |
| 02:28.29 | scorphus | jrr: oop, sorry, right click... |
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| 02:28.37 | peterS | Guerin: or produce a cert that calls itself multiple hostnames. I don't know if *that* is possible |
| 02:28.38 | Pego | hi |
| 02:28.42 | kzim | hi |
| 02:28.50 | scorphus | jrr: sometime I saw one with icons on it... |
| 02:28.54 | useruser | nz17: sounds odd. what can play a file like that? |
| 02:28.55 | kzim | for update the package list it apt-get update right ? |
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| 02:29.38 | jrr | scorphus: i know ours isn't the newest version, mbe that comes later |
| 02:29.48 | nz17 | Wellone the PNG file is appended with audio I want to save it as a MPEG. |
| 02:29.50 | Guerin | well, I don't have a hell of a lot to ssl off ... webmail, some MTA admin scripts, etc. |
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| 02:29.54 | scorphus | jrr: too bad I seem to find no doc reggarding menu configuration |
| 02:30.02 | jrr | one thing i know that comes in the next version is the ability to put the taskbar in the xfce panel |
| 02:30.03 | nz17 | That way anyone can play the file. |
| 02:30.08 | jrr | yeah lots of it seems poorly doc'd |
| 02:30.09 | scorphus | jrr: yeah, may it be! |
| 02:30.16 | a_monkey | apt_ says: "dan2 wants you to know: Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-displ" |
| 02:30.21 | a_monkey | what the heck does this mean? |
| 02:30.24 | Guerin | so I can concievably run it all off the same vhost |
| 02:30.39 | mwilson | a_monkey: Means exactly what it says. |
| 02:30.45 | dan2 | ~tell a_monkey about idiot |
| 02:31.07 | scorphus | jrr: but with half more VM I'm feeling happy now... good deskenv |
| 02:31.07 | Guerin | hrm, so, what's the point of mod_ssl if I need to run a sseparate https server on 443? |
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| 02:31.08 | jrr | gn all |
| 02:31.34 | stew | a_monkey: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:31.36 | initech | Guerin: a nice, neat, separation |
| 02:31.41 | a_monkey | but what the heck does the NEWSFLASH thing mean?? |
| 02:31.57 | initech | Guerin: and painless installation |
| 02:32.16 | useruser | nz17: maybe you want something mjpeg-based |
| 02:32.30 | Guerin | initech: fair play |
| 02:32.35 | scorphus | jrr: thanks for the help and for the nice talk... |
| 02:32.51 | nz17 | useruser: I had notice that package and was wondering if it could meet my needs. |
| 02:33.07 | initech | Guerin: and less deps for those who don't want ssl (90% i wager) |
| 02:33.37 | Guerin | yeah, indeed |
| 02:33.46 | Guerin | ok, time to break things |
| 02:34.10 | Guerin | the apache backport I'm using doesn't have apache-ssl, and it conflicts with woody's apache |
| 02:34.27 | Guerin | I love being the co-admin of a box |
| 02:34.33 | Guerin | really I do |
| 02:34.35 | initech | Guerin: err, do you really need a backport of apache?!? |
| 02:34.40 | Guerin | exactly |
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| 02:35.02 | Guerin | apparently we have some php on the site which needs 1.3.27, which woody doesn't have |
| 02:35.19 | Guerin | I'm going to back up configs and downgrade, just to tempt fate |
| 02:35.26 | initech | Guerin: it conflicts with woody's stock apache-ssl? |
| 02:35.34 | initech | Guerin: shitty backport ... |
| 02:35.42 | mlewis00 | Does OpenBSD's 'disklabel' work on Debian? |
| 02:35.43 | stew | !bless Guerin |
| 02:35.43 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Guerin, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:35.47 | illcit|work | sif to ipchains |
| 02:35.49 | illcit|work | :D |
| 02:35.53 | Guerin | and since my coadmin didn't respond to my email telling him I was going to fuck with things, I fugure it should be fine |
| 02:36.01 | peterS | mlewis00: the disk partition format itself? it should |
| 02:36.01 | illcit|work | sifnt to hardware firewall + NAT |
| 02:36.17 | peterS | mlewis00: not sure which of debian's partition tools can *edit* disklabels, but the kernel should have no trouble *reading* them |
| 02:36.25 | Guerin | initech: nono, apache-ssl in woody Depends: apache-common (< 1.3.27-0) |
| 02:36.27 | initech | Guerin: i suppose you could make your own backport of apache without too much trouble, if you really had to |
| 02:36.28 | useruser | nz17: maybe this helps - no audio, but i'd guess you can add that later http://parallel.vub.ac.be/~johan/MpegStills/ |
| 02:36.31 | mlewis00 | apt-get install shows no install candidate for disklabel |
| 02:36.34 | Guerin | initech: yeah, could do |
| 02:36.48 | Guerin | initech: that's door #2 if woody's won't work |
| 02:36.51 | peterS | mlewis00: is disklabel a package, then? I thought it was just a partition format |
| 02:36.58 | initech | Guerin: or make an equivs of apache-common version it needs |
| 02:37.04 | nz17 | useruser: I'll give that a try. |
| 02:37.10 | mlewis00 | peterS: I think that's the name of the program under OpenBSD... |
| 02:37.15 | initech | Guerin: and hope it works :) |
| 02:37.18 | Guerin | hehe |
| 02:37.19 | peterS | mlewis00: what does this program do? |
| 02:37.41 | mlewis00 | peterS: Allows direct editing of the partition table... |
| 02:37.43 | initech | Guerin: did the backporter break it up into apache and apache-common? |
| 02:37.54 | peterS | mlewis00: Debian has several partition table editing tools, if that's what you're after |
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| 02:38.47 | useruser | nz17: https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3456&group_id=5776#ss4.1 |
| 02:38.51 | mlewis00 | peterS: Don't know which one will allow /direct/ editing (something like 'Diskedit' or Norton Disk Editor) |
| 02:38.52 | useruser | nz17: bullseye |
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| 02:39.43 | peterS | mlewis00: there's fdisk in advanced mode ('x') |
| 02:39.56 | initech | mlewis00: emacs /dev/hda1 |
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| 02:40.14 | mlewis00 | initech: pffft |
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| 02:40.33 | mlewis00 | peterS: The manual says that is dangerous... |
| 02:40.54 | Becca | I'm having a problem with cursors... sometimes it leaves a cursor on the screen when changing between cursors in program |
| 02:40.55 | peterS | mlewis00: as opposed to other ways of "directly editing" a disk sector, which somehow are *not* dangerous? |
| 02:41.23 | Becca | and its only fixed if I find the program that had that specific cursor, open it, and force the cursor to pass over the same spot. |
| 02:41.31 | Becca | Does anyone have any ideas how to disable/fix this? |
| 02:41.49 | mlewis00 | peterS: I don't know, not sure if they mean 'dangerous' as in the program might not work right or 'dangerous' in the normal sense... |
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| 02:42.08 | candymancan | Can anyone help me? When I try running X, it gives me a gray screen with a cursor I can control for a second, then it crashes and says it 'Could not init font path element /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi', despite the fact that there *is* a file of that name in /usr/lib/X11/fonts |
| 02:42.09 | peterS | mlewis00: they mean dangerous in that stupid users can pretty easily create an unparseable partition table |
| 02:42.14 | soften | hosing your partition table is dangerous really any way you slice it |
| 02:42.21 | scarynetworkguy | !any ideas |
| 02:42.21 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of condoms, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of sex-crazed hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:42.50 | mlewis00 | peterS: Oh, OK, if the program itself works correctly so do I :-) |
| 02:43.12 | candymancan | ...So, does anyone have an idea what my problem may be? |
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| 02:43.41 | mlewis00 | peterS: Thanks! I'll check it out... |
| 02:43.46 | initech | candymancan: comment it out in /etc/X11/XF86config-4 and see what happens |
| 02:43.47 | soften | candymancan, did it ever work, or is this a new install. |
| 02:43.49 | scarynetworkguy | candymancan: How did you install X and did you install a WM? |
| 02:44.04 | candymancan | This is a new install, and I installed kdm |
| 02:44.18 | candymancan | So no, never worked before. |
| 02:44.23 | hondje | is there an archive for sarge .debs? |
| 02:44.29 | scarynetworkguy | candymancan: and failed to answer both of my questions. Good Job. |
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| 02:44.47 | soften | sorry, I asked silly questions ahead of you, obscuring yours |
| 02:45.06 | nz17 | Thanks for all the help useruser. |
| 02:45.09 | nz17 | Everyone have a nice day. |
| 02:45.20 | candymancan | Heh, sorry. And I installed X and KDM through apt-get thing. |
| 02:45.23 | initech | candymancan: a *file* or a directory? |
| 02:45.36 | candymancan | It can't open the file, apparently. |
| 02:45.45 | scarynetworkguy | candymancan: What package did you install for X and did you just install KDM or did you install KDE? |
| 02:46.07 | initech | candymancan: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi should be a directory, not a file |
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| 02:46.18 | candymancan | I installed x-window-config-core thing, and just KDM as far as I know. I followed whatever DPKG told me for set up x |
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| 02:46.32 | ak | hi |
| 02:46.34 | mlewis00 | peterS: Hmmm...not what I was looking for :-) |
| 02:46.56 | candymancan | oh, ehehe, yeah, it's a directory, my bad. |
| 02:47.00 | peterS | mlewis00: there exist 'binary editors' in debian such as beav. I don't know if they know about raw disk devices, but I imagine they do |
| 02:47.02 | candymancan | I'm sorry, I'm still a n00b to all this :( |
| 02:47.11 | ak | i upgraded my kernel-image yesterday from 2.6.8-5 to 2.6.8-10 (sarge) and since then the sound is not as good |
| 02:47.12 | mlewis00 | peterS: I was hoping to find a program that would let me view the partition table (in hex) and modify values directly... |
| 02:47.19 | spity | i have a question, why can't xorg or kde3.3 be uploaded to unstable (or why was thing gnome2.8 so much of big news)? is unstable somehow tied with sarge? |
| 02:47.21 | ak | any ideas |
| 02:47.22 | Becca | Anyone have any ideas on how to resolve my issue? |
| 02:47.22 | scarynetworkguy | candymancan: apt-get install x-window-system kde should get you up and runing. Odds are apt can fix it's own stuff. |
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| 02:48.20 | mlewis00 | peterS: Hmmm...I'll try Google for that. Thanks. |
| 02:48.21 | ak | the sound started to ... i don't know how to say it, but as if it has some noise and it stops very breifly and come back |
| 02:48.36 | ak | using snd_i8x0 |
| 02:49.28 | candymancan | OK, I said I wanted kde to be the default, but...now what? Nothing happens when I type kdm. |
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| 02:49.54 | useruser | nz17: bullseye |
| 02:49.56 | useruser | oops |
| 02:49.57 | initech | spity: of course testing and unstable are interdependent ... imagine when pumping gas in the car the pump suddenly switched to diesel |
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| 02:50.26 | spity | initech: frankly, i don't understand you much :-/ |
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| 02:50.42 | spity | initech: if i upload package do unstable it will after some time "wander" to testing? |
| 02:50.53 | spity | initech: i thought you had to upload it to testing manualy |
| 02:51.02 | ak | is there anyone facing any sound problems after upgrading to kernel 2.6.8-10 or is it me only????? |
| 02:51.03 | stew | spity: yes unstable is tied to sarge. all packages that enter sarge must go through unstable |
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| 02:51.28 | stew | spity: no they migrate to sarge automatically after a timeperiod with no serious bugs |
| 02:51.30 | spity | aha, so package uploaded to unstable 'falls' to testing after some time? |
| 02:51.36 | zbowl | apt-get moo |
| 02:51.37 | spity | aha, thanks for clarification |
| 02:52.23 | kbrooks | erm |
| 02:52.39 | spity | oh, and one more question :) is there some plan for debian to adopt (after sarge :) 'pretty' init scripts like gentoo, rh and others have? |
| 02:52.51 | stew | spity: pretty in what sense? |
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| 02:53.29 | spity | stew: like green [ OK ] on the right border, when the service starts OK, or red [ Fail ] when not |
| 02:53.42 | kzim | how can i see the unstable package available plz ? |
| 02:53.43 | spity | (lsb's init-functions) |
| 02:53.51 | stew | spity: there is no plan to change the init scripts |
| 02:53.57 | initech | spity: yes, there is (I forget where I saw that), but unlike red hat, it will have to work with every architecture and every terminal type, etc. |
| 02:53.58 | candymancan | ...Erm. Well, this isn't very good. "hdb: drive not ready for command" |
| 02:54.03 | spity | kzim: apt-cache show <package> |
| 02:54.04 | kbrooks | why does /media have 2 directory names ending in '0'? |
| 02:54.15 | kbrooks | is it possible to remove them |
| 02:54.21 | spity | initech: aha neat |
| 02:54.21 | kzim | spity: it display me unstable package ? |
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| 02:54.31 | Wyzard | In sid, gnome-core now depends on gnome-volume-manager, which depends on hal, which depends on udev, which requires a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:54.32 | candymancan | Did I completely screw over my computer? |
| 02:54.35 | spity | kzim: it will tell you information about certain package |
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| 02:54.43 | spity | kzim: including in what distribution it is |
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| 02:54.56 | spity | kzim: but you have to have unstable in sources.list |
| 02:54.57 | candymancan | "hdb: drive not ready for command" Am I f*cked or no? |
| 02:55.01 | kbrooks | candymancan, explain yourself. |
| 02:55.05 | kzim | but someone said that spamassassin for exemple is in it version 3 in unstable i dunno how get it :/ |
| 02:55.17 | spity | kzim: if you're looking just for some package in unstable use http://packages.debian.org |
| 02:55.21 | daos | is it possible to redirect a www request from iptables based on a name? |
| 02:55.22 | kzim | spity: have unstable in sources.list ? |
| 02:55.29 | kbrooks | candymancan, explain yourself. |
| 02:55.29 | candymancan | Well, I rebooted my linux box because I figured it was the only way to run KDE, because the command kdm did nothing |
| 02:55.32 | kbrooks | oops |
| 02:55.34 | kbrooks | why does /media have 2 directory names ending in '0'? |
| 02:55.37 | kzim | ho |
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| 02:55.46 | candymancan | And when I rebooted it, as it was going through the system checks, that message appeared. |
| 02:55.55 | daos | I have por 80 forwarded to a web server, but I want to run another website on a different ip |
| 02:55.57 | spity | kzim: deb http://debian.letnany.czf/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 02:56.03 | spity | kzim: something like that |
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| 02:56.15 | candymancan | and then it says 1de0: reset: success, then hdb: status timeout, then hdb: not ready for command. And it repeats alot. |
| 02:56.16 | Wyzard | daos: Different IP, or different port? |
| 02:56.27 | sciallo | I'm going crazy trying to get the kernel headers installed to compile a module. I'm getting"/lib/modules/2.4.27/build/include/linux/wireless.h header file doesn't exist!"... what am I missing? |
| 02:56.28 | candymancan | *ide0. |
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| 02:56.45 | kbrooks | i have a question |
| 02:56.45 | spity | daos: you mean, iptables based vhost? |
| 02:56.46 | kbrooks | why does /media have 2 directory names ending in '0'? |
| 02:56.53 | kzim | spity: hum cool and what is the other somution ? |
| 02:56.58 | candymancan | So, ahh, is my computer dead? |
| 02:57.00 | daos | so if someone hits www.blah.mydomain.com they get redirected to the second ip |
| 02:57.01 | kzim | how put the unstablein sources;List ? |
| 02:57.13 | hondje | kbrooks: if you have something like two cdrom drives, one will be cdrom0, the other cdrom1 |
| 02:57.26 | spity | kzim: put line like i gave you but replace debian...czf with ftp.<country>.debian.org |
| 02:57.34 | kbrooks | hondje, i dont have these |
| 02:57.38 | daos | and not the primary site running on prot 80 |
| 02:57.51 | candymancan | Anyone? Do I need to reformat the hard drive? |
| 02:57.52 | initech | daos: that an application level construction, not ip level |
| 02:58.13 | hondje | kbrooks: hmm, go figure, same thing here |
| 02:58.14 | kzim | k i check thx |
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| 02:58.30 | daos | spity: not sure what you mean iptables based vhost? |
| 02:58.39 | nelon | hey fellas, is it possible to use a USB mouse in Debian? |
| 02:58.48 | Wyzard | candymancan: Either the drive is dying, or you have a bad cable or a buggy driver for the IDE controller |
| 02:58.49 | initech | daos: you would be better of using mod_rewrite for that or something, or an http redirect |
| 02:58.53 | daos | initech: so do it at the webserver |
| 02:59.07 | initech | daos: yes |
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| 02:59.18 | spity | daos: you have to do it at apache level |
| 02:59.22 | spity | as initech says |
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| 02:59.27 | daos | initech: hmmmmm |
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| 02:59.45 | sciallo | is `apt-get install kernel-headers 2.4.27-1` enough to all the kernel headers? |
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| 03:00.02 | daos | spity, initech: thanks guys, I am running IIS not apache :( |
| 03:00.10 | kzim | spity: and after that i do an apt-get update and it's good that's it ? |
| 03:00.11 | hondje | sciallo: Works for me, for stuff like video drivers, etc |
| 03:00.36 | ps | alguem sabe porque no xfree ou no xorg, quando eu utilizo muita memoria "tenho 256 ram e 64 video nvidia", o X reinicia. :( |
| 03:00.36 | kzim | spity: else i download the .deb and how can i exec it ? :/ sorry to ask so simple thing |
| 03:00.37 | daos | spity initech: so I will ahve to look into IIS http redirectors |
| 03:00.39 | spity | daos: oh, well, hard to give you advice then :) |
| 03:00.43 | sciallo | Trying to compile acx100, I'm getting"/lib/modules/2.4.27/build/include/linux/wireless.h header file doesn't exist!"... what am I missing? |
| 03:00.52 | ps | sorry. |
| 03:01.03 | initech | daos: yes, unless it has something like mod_rewrite, which I doubt |
| 03:01.11 | spity | kzim: well, basically yes, but be sure to know what you're doing, using unstable on production server can sometimes be very tricky |
| 03:01.18 | spity | kzim: better download just single package and install it |
| 03:01.22 | kzim | hu |
| 03:01.27 | kzim | okay ill do that so |
| 03:01.32 | daos | thanks initech and spity, muchly appricaiated :DD |
| 03:01.37 | spity | kzim: exec == install -> dpkg -i <package>.deb (man dpkg for more info) |
| 03:01.44 | kzim | i just need dl the .deb so ? |
| 03:01.48 | kzim | okay |
| 03:01.49 | kzim | perfect |
| 03:01.52 | sciallo | I guess I should ask what gives the file "/lib/modules/2.4.27/build/include/linux/wireless.h header file doesn't exist!" is it not the headers? |
| 03:01.56 | spity | kzim: yes, but i might have additional dependencies |
| 03:02.00 | kzim | thx a lot for you're time and help |
| 03:02.04 | spity | kzim: and you'll have to install those too |
| 03:02.04 | kzim | arf |
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| 03:02.13 | kzim | not quite simple so |
| 03:02.26 | kzim | that why sources.list i perhaps better no ? |
| 03:02.26 | welshie | sciallo: where are you getting the kernel source? |
| 03:02.27 | spity | kzim: on the page of the package you'll see all the deps, so you can check that beforehand |
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| 03:02.38 | stew | sciallo: /lib/modules/xxx/build should be symlinked to /usr/src/kernel-{source|headers}-xxx/ |
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| 03:02.48 | stew | sciallo: did you compile your kernel or apt-get it? |
| 03:02.49 | pixelmonkey | is there any way for me to get login running on tty15? |
| 03:02.49 | kzim | there is about 20 dep i have to check manualy all ? |
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| 03:03.10 | sciallo | stew: Thanks! (apt-got it:) |
| 03:03.16 | spity | kzim: it very much depends, but i'd not advise you to go into whole unstable instalation as you seem to have basic knowledge of things, and as i've said before things can get pretty nasty in unstable sometimes |
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| 03:03.26 | spity | kzim: so you have to know how do downgrade packages etc |
| 03:03.38 | stew | sciallo: you need to get the kernel-headers that go with it |
| 03:03.52 | kzim | spity: hum dunno if i have to skill for that :/ |
| 03:03.58 | kbrooks | How do I grab irssi? |
| 03:03.59 | sciallo | I thought I did... |
| 03:04.07 | FieldySnuts | with your fist? |
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| 03:04.17 | FieldySnuts | in soviet russia, irssi grabs YOU |
| 03:04.19 | spity | kbrooks: apt-get install irssi-text? |
| 03:04.23 | dabreegster | Hey, could anybody please recommend a good chess program for the console? gnuchess is a bit complicated. Are there any easier console chess programs for beginners? |
| 03:04.25 | kzim | spity: why it's so simple install a package and why so complex install an unstable :) |
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| 03:04.30 | spity | kzim: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/mail/spamassassin |
| 03:04.36 | greemo | night guys |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | chess is complicated :) |
| 03:04.51 | grendal_prime | unless your naked |
| 03:04.51 | spity | kzim: unstable == distribution == all the packages installed on your computer |
| 03:04.52 | dabreegster | I know |
| 03:04.52 | grendal_prime | then its fun |
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| 03:04.57 | spity | heh |
| 03:05.03 | initech | abrotman: how's the centerfold thing going? |
| 03:05.06 | angel12 | can some1 help me set up a wireless lan card |
| 03:05.10 | usuario | I want to do a non-ssh file transfer with a Windows friend, how can we accomplish this? |
| 03:05.15 | dabreegster | I'm reading tutorials, but I don't have a set IRL and gnuchess is really tough-looking |
| 03:05.22 | FieldySnuts | set up a web server, or an ftp server |
| 03:05.27 | grendal_prime | centerfold thing? |
| 03:05.31 | Stevie-Oh | nc |
| 03:05.32 | FieldySnuts | playboy? |
| 03:05.32 | grendal_prime | did i miss something? |
| 03:05.35 | abrotman | initech: i'm winning still |
| 03:05.35 | sciallo | stew: that's 'apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27-1 right? |
| 03:06.01 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: close ... i think i have to be naked |
| 03:06.01 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 03:06.01 | grendal_prime | better yet hustler? |
| 03:06.01 | abrotman | blame pseubodot |
| 03:06.01 | Kerr | ahaha |
| 03:06.01 | abrotman | it's his fault |
| 03:06.01 | Kerr | http://www.swannysmug.co.uk/graphics/datingad.jpg |
| 03:06.01 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 03:06.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iapf is It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
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| 03:06.01 | spity | kzim: try it first with dpkg -i --dry-run <package>.deb to see what would happen if you'd install that package for real (this will just simulate the instalation procedure) |
| 03:06.08 | grendal_prime | hey....all porn aside...whats the best partitioning for a web server |
| 03:06.11 | usuario | !dpkg mirrors |
| 03:06.11 | dpkg | [mirrors] at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 03:06.11 | stew | sciallo: you shoudl just need the headers, not the source |
| 03:06.12 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 03:06.26 | kzim | spity i try that ty |
| 03:06.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: please don't vote for me |
| 03:06.32 | dabreegster | Seriously, what's a good, easy console chess program? :P |
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| 03:06.40 | spity | grendal_prime: separate homes, var, boot and then the rest? |
| 03:06.47 | FieldySnuts | grendal_prime: / /boot /home /wherever/web/content/is /tmp , and as restrictive mount options as you can get |
| 03:06.51 | sciallo | well, I get that wireless.h missing message... |
| 03:07.13 | abrotman | !tell dabreegster about search |
| 03:07.33 | grendal_prime | i mean with testing, it gives me three options..wich are one partition..wich i think is nuts for a server...desktop...and multiuser..im assuming multiuser would be best |
| 03:07.48 | dabreegster | abrotman: I already have. gnuchess is the only one apt-cache reveals to be for the console |
| 03:07.48 | initech | grendal_prime: a read only /usr might be a good idea for a public server, since that's where all the cgi's live |
| 03:07.53 | kzim | spity: only displayed that Preparing to replace spamassassin 2.64-1 (using spamassassin_3.0.1-1_all.deb) ... |
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| 03:07.56 | grendal_prime | but..this is more like an app server |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | dabreegster: freshmeat? |
| 03:08.35 | dabreegster | abrotman: oh, good point. thanks. |
| 03:08.37 | grendal_prime | its for a web based point of sales machine |
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| 03:08.51 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you didn't vote for me did you? |
| 03:09.04 | FieldySnuts | i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 03:09.08 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 03:09.09 | dpkg | iapf is probably It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 03:09.11 | eidolon | hey folks. anyone used kppp (or even pppd, i believe)? i'm trying to setu p a ocnnection to my clel phone, but kppp is exiting with a warning: Couldn't find interface ppp0: No such device but, /dev/ppp nd /dev/ppp0 exist, and i alos see the message "Kernel supports ppp all right" |
| 03:09.11 | abrotman | there's a poll |
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| 03:09.17 | grendal_prime | i use to use the fedora preconfiged partioning tool. |
| 03:09.19 | grendal_prime | hmm... |
| 03:09.27 | FieldySnuts | i don't do polls |
| 03:09.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i think if i win .. i think i have to get nekkid for SEUL |
| 03:09.36 | abrotman | !seul |
| 03:09.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, seul is the Simple End-User Linux Project (www.seul.org) |
| 03:10.13 | jlacosse | where can i learn how to get around newer copyprotection so i can rip into ogg files from cd? |
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| 03:10.21 | abrotman | google? |
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| 03:11.25 | abrotman | chanserv left? |
| 03:11.49 | soften | seems so? |
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| 03:12.25 | angel12 | how do i start a network device that isnt up? |
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| 03:12.26 | kzim | spity ? |
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| 03:12.35 | soften | ifup interfacename |
