| 00:00.07 | yogadub | i can't change my monitor resolution in kde |
| 00:00.09 | mwilson | Niriven: It's just as off-topic as Knoppix is. |
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| 00:00.20 | yogadub | i tried with xf86config |
| 00:00.27 | stew | yogadub: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:00.27 | llahm | thingfish just fucking install VLC |
| 00:00.28 | nvz | Niriven: it is off-topic. |
| 00:00.29 | ionrock | Niriven, I did but I switched back to debian. if you use debian already there is little need to try ubuntu other than for fun |
| 00:00.35 | llahm | thingfish it will work without issues |
| 00:00.40 | green_earz | thingfish: have run the app dvdback that bring in libdvdcss for you |
| 00:00.46 | btartsa | I have a silly prob I could use some help with (keep in mind this is my first debian build) |
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| 00:00.50 | Niriven | ionrock: Thats the answer i was looking for, at least your not anal like the rest of these people |
| 00:00.58 | thingfish | VLC? never heard of it but will give it a try. |
| 00:01.03 | yogadub | im a newbie |
| 00:01.07 | Niriven | ionrock: Thanks :) |
| 00:01.15 | mwilson | !newbie |
| 00:01.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 00:01.16 | llahm | thingfish it's the best media player for linux and it's packaged and in debian |
| 00:01.18 | green_earz | thingfish: sorry dvdbackup |
| 00:01.28 | llahm | thingfish it's thousands of times simpler than mplayer |
| 00:01.28 | yogadub | how can i do that |
| 00:01.28 | mwilson | !newb |
| 00:01.29 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 00:01.32 | thingfish | llahm: cool |
| 00:01.40 | Wyzard | llahm: Many people would say that mplayer is the best media player for Linux |
| 00:01.53 | llahm | Wyzard they're wrong |
| 00:01.53 | stew | cplay is the best media player |
| 00:02.04 | holycow | rofl mwilson |
| 00:02.13 | yogadub | ok |
| 00:02.13 | holycow | thats a good description of n00b |
| 00:02.20 | mwilson | Many MORE people would wait for a definition of "best". |
| 00:02.37 | Piru | holy wars |
| 00:03.03 | mwilson | Wyzard: You're destroying your laptop just to play with Ubuntu? |
| 00:03.11 | ionrock | I have had the best luck with gxine myself |
| 00:03.34 | Wyzard | mwilson: I backed up its /dev/hda to my desktop system using dd and netcat... I'm not worried |
| 00:03.51 | [Cadet] | If anybody wants to help I'll be up about 2:30pm tomorrow. Come on by |
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| 00:04.01 | [Cadet] | erp |
| 00:04.13 | soften | no thanks [Cadet] |
| 00:04.43 | btartsa | I installed the blackbox package and it runs great...the prob is I switched window managers and cant seem to switch back...any ideas? |
| 00:05.00 | usuario | does anyone know if gpart is the most superior guessing hard disk partition proggy? |
| 00:05.00 | Niriven | btartsa: Mess with .xinitrc in your ~ dir |
| 00:05.16 | stew | !dict proggy |
| 00:05.19 | dpkg | could not find definition for proggy |
| 00:05.28 | cafuego | mwilson: http://www.cafuego.net/melty_kahlua.png |
| 00:05.35 | usuario | proggy = program |
| 00:05.41 | btartsa | Niriven: tried that ...I think its xdm thats causeing it |
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| 00:06.02 | Niriven | btartsa: apt-get remove xdm |
| 00:06.07 | Wyzard | btartsa: xdm executes .xsession rather than .xinitrc |
| 00:06.12 | rovragge | what should be changed in my XF86Config regarding usb mice if I install the package udev? |
| 00:06.17 | mwilson | btartsa: What, other than nothing at all, would xdm have to do with the choice of window manager? |
| 00:06.18 | stew | yikes cafuego |
| 00:06.31 | cafuego | That's the only Linux crash I've had in 2003/2004 |
| 00:06.36 | Wyzard | I believe startx uses .xsession if no .xinitrc exists, so it seems best to always use .xsession |
| 00:06.41 | btartsa | Niriven:thanks Ill try that |
| 00:06.44 | stew | cafuego: can't really blame that one on linux :) |
| 00:06.53 | cafuego | stew: No, but it did crash ;-) |
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| 00:07.06 | cafuego | Sadly, it fucked both the mobo and the psu :-( |
| 00:07.10 | Wyzard | cafuego: Last week I installed a DIMM backward and fried a motherboard (but oddly, not the DIMM) |
| 00:07.14 | mwilson | Does it look to anyone else like that connecctor is one pin off? |
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| 00:07.31 | stew | Wyzard: how much force did it take to get a dim in backward? |
| 00:07.32 | stoned | ok, i ran module asstant to prepare the qc-usb-source, build it, and install it, it made a .deb out of it and then installed the .deb Now i don't know where to go from here, am I done, or do I need to put something in /etc/modules |
| 00:07.37 | cafuego | mwilson: No, it has two little thingies on the bottom, where the connector is fixed to the mobo. |
| 00:07.50 | Wyzard | stew: Not that much, actually... I've seen boards that needed more force to install one correctly |
| 00:07.51 | cafuego | mwilson: You can't see it from this angle. |
| 00:08.18 | mwilson | That thing got HOT... you can see the insulation melted away on the nearby wires. |
| 00:08.35 | Wyzard | stew: Along the same lines, I've also found that despite having two notched corners, a Molex connector inserted upside-down will go in far enough to make brief electrical contact |
| 00:08.39 | xerophyte | does anybody know name of the world daylight watch program where you can see which country has daylight now ? |
| 00:08.54 | mwilson | Oh, yeah, I've done THAT any number of times. |
| 00:08.54 | cafuego | mwilson: Yeah, there's black streaks through the the connector on the other side as well... and insulation gone on another few wires. I suppose I should be happy I still have a house. |
| 00:09.27 | Wyzard | stew: Between those two experiences, I've learned to never do work inside a computer unless it's well-illuminated :-) |
| 00:09.32 | stew | xerophyte: xplanet? |
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| 00:09.43 | stew | Wyzard: heh, yeah |
| 00:10.03 | Wyzard | stoned: modprobe quickcam |
| 00:10.11 | stoned | ok |
| 00:10.52 | mwilson | I used to snip the tabbies off the pre-ATX power connectors, 'cause they were so annoying and never lined up properly. Got those on reversed a few times... |
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| 00:11.36 | Wyzard | hehe... I once unplugged those four wires from a pre-ATX power switch once, reattached them in the wrong order, and tripped the breaker when I tried to turn the system on |
| 00:11.38 | xerophyte | stew, nope i have seen the another program it show the daylight stuff on the map |
| 00:12.07 | stoned | cool, i feel so proud, i compiled a module from source and installed it, with only a weebit help, :D |
| 00:12.24 | mwilson | Hm... |
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| 00:13.07 | xerophyte | stew something like this http://media.maps.com/magellan/Images/wldwathsim.gif |
| 00:13.21 | xerophyte | does anybody knwo which linux program does http://media.maps.com/magellan/Images/wldwathsim.gif |
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| 00:14.50 | jepel_tailweaver | I've barely had Debian for 2 hours and I broke APT already |
| 00:14.58 | toresbe | jepel_tailweaver: Wow, impressive |
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| 00:15.17 | gnufan | Anyone using free software flash plugings with good results? I'm on a challenge to get homestarrunner working under free software |
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| 00:15.23 | jepel_tailweaver | toresbe, yes it is. But I needed synaptic |
| 00:15.24 | toresbe | I've had apt on 8 machines for two years, ever since I was a reckless newb, and I haven't managed to do that |
| 00:15.27 | Wyzard | jepel_tailweaver: When I first started using Linux, I managed to get a kernel panic within the first few hours ;-) |
| 00:15.49 | jepel_tailweaver | toresbe, Debian and I don't really like each other |
| 00:15.54 | jepel_tailweaver | Wyzard, impressive |
| 00:15.57 | Phated | jepel_tailweaver: Buy her some flowers. |
| 00:16.17 | gnufan | jepel_tailweaver: Debian is entirely neutral about you, at least till we get the AI working ;) |
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| 00:16.28 | Wyzard | lol, that's a funny thought |
| 00:16.37 | jepel_tailweaver | Phated, I can't. I broke APT, so it's not like I can do 'apt-get install flowers' |
| 00:16.39 | Phated | After, though... "Here, there be monsters!" |
| 00:16.53 | jepel_tailweaver | gnufan, oh yeah? How quickly did you manage to break debian? |
| 00:16.56 | Wyzard | You'll have the installer asking you Easy/Normal/Hard/Nightmare |
| 00:17.03 | Phated | jepel_tailweaver: DUDE. Be modern. mail debian@localhost -a flowers.object. |
| 00:17.17 | toresbe | FUCK FUCK FUCK |
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| 00:17.25 | toresbe | I just tipped over a lamp |
| 00:17.33 | gnufan | jepel_tailweaver: You have a point, although I think I did manage to break apt early on - how is it broken exactly? |
| 00:17.38 | jepel_tailweaver | toresbe, a few cents short of a dollar, are you? |
| 00:17.54 | toresbe | jepel_tailweaver: Actually, inerestingly, I am. |
| 00:17.55 | Ox0F0-0FF | How can i logout someone that's connected via ssh to a server ? |
| 00:18.00 | Phated | jepel_tailweaver: He's not a few cents short of a dollar. He is a cent. |
| 00:18.06 | toresbe | What happens when you turn on an economy lightbulb on when half of it has been exposed? |
| 00:18.07 | dondelelcaro | Ox0F0-0FF: by killing off their sshd |
| 00:18.09 | Wyzard | toresbe: Presumably an electric one... be glad it's not an oil one that'd catch the floor on fire :-) |
| 00:18.10 | Phated | Ox0F0-0FF: Is it your server? |
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| 00:18.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | Phated: no, but i'm root |
| 00:18.22 | jepel_tailweaver | gnufan, I tried to install some stuff and upgrade some stuff with synaptic, then it said I had a broken version of debconf, then it broke and if I try, apt-get always segfaults |
| 00:18.23 | dondelelcaro | toresbe: half of what? generally nothing. |
| 00:18.37 | Phated | Ox0F0-0FF: Oh. well find out what ssh process they're using and kill that. |
| 00:18.40 | Wyzard | toresbe: If the lightbulb's glass has been broken, it won't work... needs to be a vacuum in there or it'll burn out instantly |
| 00:18.48 | Ox0F0-0FF | humm |
| 00:18.51 | Ox0F0-0FF | good idea |
| 00:18.53 | Ox0F0-0FF | thanks |
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| 00:19.16 | Phated | Wyzard: Actually, it's not a vacuum. It's filled with a noble gas of some kind. |
| 00:19.26 | Phated | But either way, it's not air. |
| 00:19.29 | Wyzard | Phated: true |
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| 00:19.43 | Wyzard | yes... can't have the filament exposed to oxygen, was my point |
| 00:19.53 | Phated | Right, true enough. |
| 00:20.02 | gnufan | jepel_tailweaver: Ah - I see the trouble - I didn't install synaptic till year two of my Debian experience ;) Hmm wonder if you can install debconf from the deb file is debconf is broken?! |
| 00:20.09 | dondelelcaro | aw, but it's so cool when it's exposed to oxygen! |
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| 00:20.16 | dondelelcaro | instant flashbulb... |
| 00:20.19 | shingouz | the energy savers are just pretzel shaped neon tubes |
| 00:20.25 | Phated | What, it burns out? Hehe. |
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| 00:20.39 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: Ever tried putting a CD in the microwave? |
| 00:20.48 | lek | it's fun |
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| 00:20.58 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: Yes, I've gone through whole residential blocks worth of AOL cds in them |
| 00:21.01 | lek | you see nice sparks |
| 00:21.09 | Ugly_Duck | how do ya restore grub from cd if the mbr is shot |
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| 00:21.10 | lek | then cracks the cd |
| 00:21.12 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:21.22 | Wyzard | Yeah, the crack pattern is cool |
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| 00:21.40 | Phated | I should try that sometime. |
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| 00:21.44 | Phated | Heh. |
| 00:21.50 | lek | it makes a funny smell though :) |
| 00:22.00 | dondelelcaro | lek: well, there's a reason why you do it outside... |
| 00:22.02 | Phated | dondelelcaro: You've just given me a new idea for "CD-Crafts" |
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| 00:22.16 | dondelelcaro | Phated: oh yeah... we used to do lots of things with AOL cds... |
| 00:22.20 | lek | dondelelcaro, what's the reason? |
| 00:22.20 | Wyzard | lek: Yeah, I'd be careful about doing it with CD-R discs... the compound that gives it that blue color is based on cyanide |
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| 00:22.27 | kenboo | how to stop loading a specific driver? |
| 00:22.29 | dondelelcaro | Phated: we'd get a few thousand of the things every year |
| 00:22.30 | lek | oh really, haha |
| 00:22.32 | kenboo | at boot time |
| 00:22.34 | bh | Is there an apache exploit in the wild ? |
| 00:22.39 | Narg | mwhah |
| 00:22.43 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Heh. |
| 00:22.44 | dondelelcaro | bh: there were a couple of them |
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| 00:23.09 | Phated | Wyzard: A non-blue CD-R, though? Like the Imation kind? Or Sony? |
| 00:23.09 | bh | dondelelcaro have they been fixed in unstable ? |
| 00:23.12 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 00:23.13 | bh | or is that still pending ? |
| 00:23.29 | green_earz | kenboo: you can use modconf to load and unload drivers |
| 00:23.32 | Seb | trying to boot 2.6.9-1-686-smp here, and i get pivot_root: no such file or directory and then the boot process stops |
| 00:23.37 | bh | I noticed that my site got post to linkdumps.com |
| 00:23.43 | Wyzard | Phated: Pale greenish still counts as blue... the weird custom-colored ones (orange, etc.), I dunno |
| 00:23.48 | dondelelcaro | bh: IIRC, yes. |
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| 00:24.05 | dondelelcaro | bh: but if you're running in a situation where it matters, you shouldn't be running unstable anyway |
| 00:24.09 | Phated | Wyzard: Mm, eh... Dunno, they look mostly whiteish to me. |
| 00:24.12 | bh | So I looked through my logs and noticed a lot of activity |
| 00:24.36 | bh | dondelelcaro still pending ? or uploaded ? |
| 00:24.51 | Seb | anyone seen that before ? |
| 00:25.01 | jepel_tailweaver | hello awll |
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| 00:25.12 | jepel_tailweaver | APT just magically unbroke itself |
| 00:25.19 | Wyzard | Phated: I'm not an expert, but from what I've read, the two types of compound used in recordable media are cyanine and phthalocyanine, corresponding to "short" and "long" write strategies (though I don't know which strategy goes with which compound) |
| 00:25.20 | Seb | i cn boot the 2.4.27-1-686-smp fine, so i'm not sure what's wrong with the pivot_root thing in 2.6.9-1 |
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| 00:25.37 | Wyzard | Phated: IIRC, the pale greenish-blue ones are phthalocyanine, and the deep blue ones are cyanine |
| 00:25.38 | bh | new packages with the fix should have been uploaded ASAP |
| 00:25.50 | Seb | some people report problem with some sata raid array controllers but I don't have that |
| 00:25.52 | Phated | Wyzard: Ahh, I see. Guess I'll just do AOL CDs. :) |
| 00:26.00 | bh | lots of folks use unstable for everyday situations |
| 00:26.10 | Wyzard | Seb: That's the initrd trying to switch the root filesystem over to your hard drive after it does its work... maybe it was unable to mount the hard drive for some reason? |
| 00:26.21 | Wyzard | Seb: (need to specify root= when booting maybe?) |
| 00:26.23 | dondelelcaro | bh: uh, people who do that are stupid. |
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| 00:26.32 | rovragge | what should be changed in my XF86Config regarding usb mice if I install the package udev? |
| 00:26.34 | Seb | Wyzard: well, it usually says "VFS: kernel panic somthing" in this case right ? |
| 00:26.35 | dondelelcaro | bh: if you're running in a production situtation, you shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 00:26.38 | xixor | howdy y'all |
| 00:26.39 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Unstable for home use...? :) |
| 00:26.40 | Seb | and I do have the root= option |
| 00:27.01 | Seb | oh wait, maybe the device numbering changed in 2.6 ? What'd be the first partition of the first sata hard drive in 2.6 ? |
| 00:27.17 | Seb | it's /dev/hde1 in 2.4, here |
| 00:27.26 | Wyzard | Seb: That's if the kernel can't mount anything at all... in your case, the kernel is successfully mounting the intrd, and the initrd's linuxrc script does some stuff which ends with pivot_root'ing onto the real root filesystem |
| 00:27.33 | dondelelcaro | bh: anyway, if you actually were using unstable, you should be following -security-announce and should have noticed 594-1 |
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| 00:27.51 | Wyzard | Seb: I don't use SATA, but from what others have said, I do think things have changed, so that sounds likely |
| 00:27.59 | Seb | Wyzard: k, cool |
| 00:28.01 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Come on... unstable users actually reading a mailing list? |
| 00:28.01 | Swampy | how can i reset/change the kernel's oppinion of weather my cdrom tray is open or closed? |
| 00:28.07 | Seb | i'ma research the new sata naming scheme then |
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| 00:28.24 | dondelelcaro | bh: which were fixed in 1.3.33-2 on November 18th |
| 00:28.29 | mwilson | Swampy: You can't, because it doesn't have one. |
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| 00:29.17 | xixor | quick question for everyone. Anyone know of any good programs for sorting mp3's into like a database, so you can find songs you want really quick? |
| 00:29.19 | Swampy | mwilson: so this 'hdc: tray open' is just something im imagining in the dmesg? |
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| 00:29.34 | Wyzard | xixor: rhythmbox maybe? (similar to iTunes) |
| 00:29.52 | Wyzard | Swampy: That's a status reported by the drive |
| 00:30.00 | thingfish | yeah, rhythmbox is what I was thinking too. |
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| 00:30.06 | mwilson | Swampy: You ordered it to do "fillintheblank", it asked the drive, the drive reported it was open. |
| 00:30.08 | dondelelcaro | TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 12.223.132.234:6883/48948 shrinks window 1212726998:1212727002. Repaired. |
| 00:30.19 | mwilson | Swampy: It's not a state saved by the kernel. |
| 00:30.19 | Swampy | Wyzard: but it closed.. |
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| 00:30.25 | xixor | Wyzard: cool, i'll check it out |
| 00:30.34 | Wyzard | Swampy: So maybe the drive is broken... try a different one |
| 00:30.35 | scarynetworkguy | Does rhythmbox have the ability to stream and share over the network. |
| 00:30.45 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro: You've not seen my packets. :D |
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| 00:31.10 | usuario | alright, gpart has finished, results have been printed, what is the next step to rebuilding these guess partitions? |
| 00:31.26 | thingfish | scarynetworkguy: don't know about that. |
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| 00:31.56 | Nivlem | I created a file called startvnc based on /etc/init.d/skeleton...it complains that it can't find xauth in the PATH, but I have added the full path in the startup file...I also used update-rc.d startvnc defaults to create the symlinks..anyone explain why it doesn't see the path to xauth? |
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| 00:32.06 | Wyzard | usuario: Write the guessed partitions to the partition table, I suppose... according to the package description, gpart has the ability to do that automatically with the partitions it's guessed, but you'd have to look up the option to tell it to do so |
| 00:32.10 | scarynetworkguy | thingfish: I hate myself for using itunes at work. But being able to leech music across the network is just too tempting to resist. |
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| 00:33.14 | usuario | Wyzard: thank you |
| 00:33.25 | xixor | Wyzard: Got it installed, it looks alright |
| 00:34.08 | Wyzard | xixor: I don't use it myself, mostly because not all my files are properly tagged, and last I checked, it doesn't have the ability to edit ID3 and Vorbis tags (due to the underlying gstreamer not supporting it) |
| 00:34.28 | Wyzard | I'd probably switch (from xmms) if they did that |
| 00:35.05 | xixor | Wyzard: ah |
| 00:35.13 | xixor | Wyzard: I was hoping this would launch them in xmms |
| 00:35.25 | Wyzard | xixor: Nope, it plays them itself |
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| 00:35.38 | xixor | Wyzard : my id3's are horrible |
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| 00:35.50 | Wyzard | simonrvn: hehe... arch, home of some great ideas and some really annoying quirks |
| 00:36.00 | Wyzard | xixor: Then what were you hoping to index with a database? |
| 00:36.08 | xixor | Wyzard: just the file names |
| 00:36.14 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:36.33 | xixor | like you just type "metal" and it gives me any that has metal in the filename |
| 00:36.38 | simonrvn | Wyzard: i noticed. like the dir structure and names started to get VERY long, very quickly... |
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| 00:37.19 | Wyzard | simonrvn: That, and the wacky naming conventions, and the fact that it doesn't have a server (which makes it difficult to have multiple people committing to the same repository) |
| 00:37.36 | simonrvn | i hate that. ask a question, leave. FFS... |
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| 00:37.51 | Wyzard | simonrvn: In those respects, I like subversion better, but subversion isn't changeset-oriented like arch... |
| 00:37.51 | simonrvn | Wyzard: yeh, i was wondering about that |
| 00:38.28 | simonrvn | Wyzard: that's the very thing i was setting a RCS repo of some sort... the server end |
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| 00:38.53 | Swampy | mwilson / Wyzard: thanks |
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| 00:39.08 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I think I might have read something at some point to the effect that an arch server might be in the works |
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| 00:39.09 | Swampy | anyone want to buy a cd-rom drive, cheap |
| 00:39.19 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Look up the Slashdot interview of Tom Lord from awhile back |
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| 00:39.23 | bh | dondelelcaro I'm looking for the announcement now. |
| 00:39.29 | bh | but I was running apache2 |
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| 00:39.48 | nvz | Swampy: what the hell is a cdrom drive? I think I heard my great grandparents telling stories about those things |
| 00:40.14 | bh | dondelelcaro found it, it's on a debian.org top link. |
| 00:40.15 | dondelelcaro | bh: well, then there hasn't been an advisory for it |
| 00:40.38 | amqa | nvz: It is like an old fashioned DVD drive |
| 00:40.44 | bh | It might have been webdav related. |
| 00:40.45 | dondelelcaro | 594 was for apache itself, not apache2 |
| 00:40.48 | Swampy | nvz: heh, you can have it for free |
| 00:40.56 | amqa | nvz: Only it only holds 7000Mb :) |
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| 00:41.16 | nvz | Swampy: I have so many of them, I am taking them apart and making shit out of them.. I got one here I turned into a PS/2 Turntable |
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| 00:41.58 | amqa | apt: For the second time? |
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| 00:42.06 | simonrvn | Wyzard: i may if i get pissed off enough :P |
| 00:42.16 | Arnox | I'm having difficulty with my new debian install. I'm using the Blackbox window manager in X and for some reason, the text on the shade for all the windows is all hacked up. The font is 75 dpi and I expect that it is not being anti-aliased. Anyone know how to fix this problem? |
| 00:42.17 | kev_ | Anyone have any solutions to get my filesystem icon to appear automatically |
| 00:42.23 | simonrvn | amqa: tell that to idiotic root ircers... |
| 00:42.52 | amqa | simonrvn: I dont even know what root ircers are. Are they wannabe script kiddies? |
| 00:43.11 | Smashcat | Hi, I'm a long time Gentoo and Redhat user; just tried to install Debian Sarge (from magazine DVD), and the installer seems horribly old and broken (Sarge). The install kept breaking, networking is not set up (doesn't even have localhost set up so KDE crashes out). Not very impressed... |
| 00:43.14 | nvz | amqa: people who use an irc client as root you zoof |
| 00:43.16 | usuario | Wyzard: that's normal patch, check other ubuntu shots |
| 00:43.19 | Swampy | amqa: people connecting to irc logged in as root |
| 00:43.21 | usuario | Wyzard: screenshots* |
| 00:43.22 | gnufan | kev_: what do you mean exactly? |
| 00:43.45 | Wyzard | usuario: So it's a patch, and not just a configuration difference? |
| 00:43.45 | amqa | nvz: well I didnt even consider that: I woul dhave thought that was obviously stupid |
| 00:43.48 | kev_ | gnufan, like how the CDROM icon appears when the cdrom is inserted... when fstab mounts my ntfs drive i would like the icon to appear in computer |
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| 00:44.14 | nvz | kev_: fstab is a file, it doesnt mount anything |
| 00:44.19 | kev_ | I know |
| 00:44.24 | nvz | sure you do |
| 00:44.25 | usuario | Wyzard: Oh, I can't differentiate that, all I can say is that it's seemingly intentional. |
| 00:44.35 | kev_ | I am just saying it mounts my drive... on boot i am wondering how i get the icon to show |
| 00:44.36 | Wyzard | Smashcat: Sarge isn't officially released yet, so I'd hope nobody's distributing install CDs for it... however, you can get the latest version of the Sarge installer from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 00:45.40 | gnufan | kev_: Not sure - mostly I've played with hotplug, which works in 2.6 kernels with gnome-volume-manager. |
| 00:45.47 | simonrvn | amqa: no. idiots that get onto IRC as root user |
| 00:45.50 | nvz | kev_: no, it really doesnt mount your drive. and if its always mounted (fixed disk) you can just make a freakin link to its mountpoint on the dsektop ffs |
| 00:46.35 | Smashcat | Wyzard: I thought it must be a stable release, as the kernel is pretty old (2.4.25) and it's using an old version of xfree etc. Anyway, I hope you guys manage to fix the basics if this is a test version (localhost being set up would be a good start ;-) |
| 00:46.42 | amqa | simonrvn: Thats what I thought they said |
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| 00:47.27 | Wyzard | Smashcat: I don't know what you got on that CD, but if you download the installer from that link I sent you, you won't have those problems... Sarge mostly release-ready, and quite usable |
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| 00:48.54 | harryvetc | Anyone here by chance using a duel opteron mobo ? do these require duel mem sticks? yes, the manual is not showing this. |
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| 00:50.07 | Wyzard | hmm, that behavior does indeed seem to be a Ubuntu-specific patch... oh well |
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| 00:50.55 | Smashcat | Wyzard: Well thanks, but I don't fancy going through that installer again - it took a good hour to get the previous non-working system. I'll go back to Fedora Core 1 until I can download another version (I decided to try Sarge as I can't find my FC2 or Gentoo disks, and I'm in a rush ;-) |
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| 00:51.51 | Wyzard | Smashcat: FC3 is out too, you know |
| 00:52.19 | amqa | Wyzard: I hear FC3 isnt stable compared to FC2 |
| 00:52.34 | Smashcat | Wyzard: Yeah, I will be downloading that, but as I say, I'm rushed and need a working setup (that's why I'm not starting a Gentoo install ;-) |
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| 00:53.14 | nikal | Ok, so the 2.6.9 kernel installs itself as 2.6.9y, but the modules I'm compiling using make-kpkg install into 2.6.9 which is not helping the situation when trying to get some modules automatically inserted and removed when needed. anyone know why this is? Or how i can get my modules to install to 2.6.9y? |
| 00:53.50 | Wyzard | Smashcat: Understandable... but sometime when you're in less of a hurry, do come back and give yourself a fair chance to try Debian, without using that wacky broken installer |
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| 00:54.46 | Smashcat | Wyzard: Thanks, I will try it when you guys release a new version (next year?) |
| 00:56.17 | Wyzard | Smashcat: The official word is When It's Ready, but I'd be surprised if it was later than the first quarter of 2005... at any rate, Sarge is fine to install already, just be aware that you'll want to update occasionally since it still changes a bit |
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| 00:56.27 | jepel_tailweaver | why does my dpkg keep segfaulting? |
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| 00:57.37 | Wyzard | jepel_tailweaver: hmm, I've never seen it do that... any error messages printed before the segfault? |
| 00:57.57 | jepel_tailweaver | Wyzard, not really. Lemme see if I can get xchat installed |
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| 00:58.04 | Zap-W | does exim run as user identd ?? |
| 00:58.19 | mwilson | Zap-W: No. |
| 00:58.23 | Zap-W | does exim4 run as user identd ?? all my /var/log/exim4 logs turned into that user , |
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| 00:58.41 | Zap-W | i don't know what happened, what should be the right user for the logs in there |
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| 00:59.07 | Smashcat | Wyzard: Well, thanks. Bye! |
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| 00:59.11 | Zap-W | -rw-r----- 1 identd adm 5412 2004-12-05 02:45 mainlog , paniclog, rejectlog etc.. |
| 00:59.20 | Wyzard | hmm, exim appears to be running as uid 110 (which doesn't correspond to any existing user) on my system :-/ |
| 00:59.21 | Zap-W | it should be root no? |
| 00:59.39 | leOn | smells like trouble to me |
| 00:59.39 | jepel_tailweaver | Wyzard, ok, now the whole system froze |
| 00:59.49 | Zap-W | well , should i change it to root? or Debian-exim ? |
| 01:00.04 | Wyzard | jepel_tailweaver: umm... hardware problems maybe? |
| 01:00.12 | Zap-W | well right now exim can't start because it cant write to the logs |
| 01:00.16 | leOn | Zap-W: you first should try to find out why does identd have uid=0 |
| 01:00.36 | Zap-W | identd has uid 102 |
| 01:00.45 | leOn | Zap-W: are you sure? |
| 01:00.51 | Zap-W | identd:x:102:65534::/var/run/identd:/bin/false |
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| 01:00.58 | jepel_tailweaver | Wyzard, it's in VMware |
| 01:01.14 | leOn | ok ... |
| 01:01.21 | Wyzard | jepel_tailweaver: dunno then... I've run Debian in VMware without any such problems |
| 01:01.21 | leOn | so you have a bad /etc/passwd |
| 01:01.23 | leOn | hm@femme-fatal:~$ grep 102 /etc/passwd |
| 01:01.23 | leOn | Debian-exim:x:102:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false |
| 01:01.30 | Zap-W | well what to do ? what user do you have for exim logs? |
| 01:01.31 | jepel_tailweaver | Wyzard, sarge? |
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| 01:01.39 | Zap-W | hmm |
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| 01:01.47 | Wyzard | jepel_tailweaver: sid, but not since sometime last year |
| 01:02.12 | Zap-W | leOn: do you also have an identd user? |
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| 01:02.29 | mwe | how do I make debian stay away from grub's menu.lst? |
| 01:02.30 | mroth | whats the simplest way to make the python,idle,pydoc et al symlinks point to python2.4 instead of 2.3 versions? |
| 01:02.38 | Zap-W | leOn: i have this Debian-exim:x:103:103::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false |
| 01:02.41 | Zap-W | it's 103 here |
| 01:02.45 | leOn | Zap-W: no, but i don't have identd installed |
| 01:03.25 | Zap-W | leOn: to what user are the logs set for you? |
| 01:03.37 | Wyzard | mwe: Unless you're running update-grub, nothing else should be modifying that file... |
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| 01:04.02 | Zap-W | cheesh drwxr-s--- 2 identd adm 960 2004-12-04 06:26 exim4 |
| 01:04.06 | mwe | Wyzard, well I installed a new kernel image and it fscked menu.lst |
| 01:04.30 | Zap-W | leOn ? |
| 01:04.36 | harryvetc | I wonder if there is a chanell other then #2cpu that deal with duel motherboard issues. |
| 01:04.40 | Davidcc6_ | i am installing the mplayer, and i have a nvidia f5200 card whit last driver, what opcion is correct: xv, xmga, mga, x11, gl, sdl or xvidx ???? |
| 01:04.45 | paulproteus | xv |
| 01:04.52 | Davidcc6_ | thx |
| 01:04.55 | Davidcc6_ | wow so quick |
| 01:05.03 | paulproteus | xv and x11 will both work; xv will be accelerated by the XVideo extension. |
| 01:05.19 | Davidcc6_ | and for see movies in console? |
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| 01:05.57 | bob2 | aalib |
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| 01:05.59 | bob2 | but that's sick |
| 01:06.02 | paulproteus | fb or vesa or aa |
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| 01:07.55 | Davidcc6_ | damn, the mplayer is just workin bye console |
| 01:08.03 | jasonf | !tell me about source |
| 01:08.11 | Davidcc6_ | but open in X |
| 01:08.31 | jasonf | okay, if I have my own tarball, and it's not on an apt repository, how do I compile it |
| 01:08.40 | jasonf | like in the "debian way" |
| 01:09.02 | Wyzard | jasonf: Does it contain a "debian/" subdirectory? |
| 01:09.13 | jasonf | let me check |
| 01:09.29 | jasonf | Wyzard: the package is gaim ... I want the new version but I dun wanna wait, let me go ahead and grab the new tarball |
| 01:10.35 | Wyzard | If it doesn't have a "debian/" subdirectory, it's not Debianized source, so you're not going to get a .deb package out of it unless you read the maintainer's guide and package it yourself |
| 01:11.07 | Zap-W | i changed the logs to root user still exim gets permission denied on them |
| 01:11.09 | jasonf | Wyzard: well, I might not get it at all, sourceforge is having kittens |
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| 01:12.39 | Wyzard | It'd be best to just wait for the maintainer of the Debian gaim package to take care of it |
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| 01:12.52 | mwilson | Wyzard: Well, what did you think? |
| 01:13.40 | Zap-W | well i changed all logs to Debian-exim , now it works |
| 01:14.10 | mwe | Is there some way of telling debian "Don't try to keep upgrading my kernel, I get my sources from kernel.org and compile and install it myself" ? |
| 01:14.12 | Wyzard | mwilson: The default GNOME theme is ugly but I like the way they rearranged the GNOME main menu... it's interesting that rather than prompting for a root password during the install, it uses the same password as the user account you create, and that user is in the "adm" group too |
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| 01:14.32 | mwilson | Wyzard: Ubuntu doesn't have a root user. |
| 01:14.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: The initial user you create is auto-added for sudo. |
| 01:14.50 | Wyzard | mwilson: It prompts for a root password when I run synaptic... |
| 01:14.51 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:14.53 | acetech | anyone know how where the python2 bindings for vfs and gconf are? |
| 01:15.18 | mwilson | mwe: It's upgrading it becase you have a kernel-image package installed. |
| 01:15.36 | mwilson | mwe: If you're building your own kernels, why do you have one installed? |
| 01:16.23 | Wyzard | mwe: You might want to take a look at the "kernel-package" package... you can compile custom kernels but get .deb files out of them |
| 01:16.25 | mwilson | Wyzard: The release version still includes HAL as accessible to the user? |
| 01:17.14 | Wyzard | mwilson: There's a "Device Manager" app which shows a hardare tree, if that's what you mean |
| 01:17.55 | mwilson | Wyzard: That plus Gnome 2.8's stupidity in including a user-controllable VNC server would stop ME from deploying Ubuntu anywhere serious. |
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| 01:18.59 | zignig | mwilson: can't you just uninstall/firewall it ? |
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| 01:19.23 | mwilson | zignig: Why in the world should it be there in the first place? |
| 01:19.26 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't see anything wrong with a user-controllable VNC server on a personal desktop system... and on a system whose administrator is distinct from the users, the admin can just not install it |
| 01:19.38 | mwilson | zignig: Users don't get to decide what a box exports. |
| 01:19.41 | useruser | how can I cross-compile stuff for a sparc solaris box on my debian/i386 machine? |
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| 01:20.09 | zignig | mwilson: not sure, a vncviewer sure , but you are correct a vnc server is a bit silly. |
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| 01:20.34 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's there in the first place because people running personal systems (the only people likely to be installing their own OS anyway) would find it useful... if you're an admin deploying a system for other's use, then by all means remove it |
| 01:20.49 | zignig | mwilson: it could be used for remote support. |
| 01:21.18 | mwilson | Wyzard: I agree with you about one thing... Gnome has now surpassed KDE in creating craptastic-looking themes. I didn't think it was possible. |
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| 01:21.30 | stealthmode | Hello. I am wanting to use PHP / Postnuke on my Debian server as a website. What I am wanting to know is if anyone has used this, and if MySQL or Postgres is easier to use? |
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| 01:22.27 | Wyzard | zignig: The package is "vino"... it's a VNC server which exports the current X display rather than creating a new one like vncserver does, and by default it prompts the local user for permission to continue when a client tries to connect |
| 01:22.34 | mwilson | Wyzard: I didn't think there could be anything uglier than Keramik until I saw what Ubuntu was doing by default. |
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| 01:22.53 | jepel_tailweaver | mwilson, should I count myself lucky that I never got X to work in Ubuntu? |
| 01:23.02 | Wyzard | mwilson: There are a great many themes I don't like on both DEs, but at least GNOME has themes that I *do* like... I have yet to find anything nice-looking for KDE :-) |
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| 01:23.17 | Wyzard | mwilson: Ubuntu's theme isn't bad except for everything being brown |
| 01:23.20 | zignig | Wyzard: so it is for remote authed access, for remote support that is _really_ usefull |
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| 01:23.36 | stealthmode | Cool theme for Debian is darkplastik...it is my favorite |
| 01:23.41 | Wyzard | zignig: yep |
| 01:23.52 | mwilson | At lease under Gnome, you can ignore the crap Gnome has created and use a normal GTK theme... for KDE there really is no choice. |
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| 01:24.26 | Wyzard | zignig: The other option is to require the remote user to type a password, which is useful for people who want to get to their own desktop from a laptop or whatever |
| 01:24.35 | zignig | Wyzard: talking people through a gui over the phone is a PITA at the best of times, posessing their pooter remotly would make it heaps easier. |
| 01:24.41 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 01:24.51 | zignig | Wyzard: all you need is a viop phone connection to , magic remote support. |
| 01:25.03 | zignig | s/to/too |
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| 01:25.23 | mwilson | Oh, I have no problem with it being there, I suppose, but it has no business being under control of the user. |
| 01:25.38 | mwilson | Any more than that hardware manager does. |
| 01:25.50 | mwilson | Rule one... never let the user make decisions. |
| 01:25.53 | holycow | i agree with mwilson |
| 01:26.15 | zignig | mwilson: heh, just don't let them have a computer in the first place..... |
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| 01:26.15 | Knight_Lord | Is 220MB/s a speed limit of some kind of PCI bus? I can't get more from my raid array |
| 01:26.19 | mwilson | Not that Gnome has any business at all pretending to manage hardware. |
| 01:26.27 | Wyzard | mwilson: As far as I can tell, the HAL "Device Manager" is view-only... you can't change anything with it |
| 01:26.48 | Wyzard | It's basically just a GUI on top of /sys |
| 01:27.26 | mwilson | Wyzard: If it's view-only, then whyinhell is it there at all? |
| 01:27.38 | kenboo | what package do i need to run make gconfig? |
| 01:28.42 | mwilson | That's certainly not information users need |
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| 01:29.13 | Wyzard | mwilson: They need it when talking to tech-support people |
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| 01:29.27 | dondelelcaro | kenboo: install the suggests: from make-kpkg |
| 01:29.39 | mwilson | No, because the tech already knows what's in the box. Why wouldn't he? |
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| 01:29.52 | dondelelcaro | s/make-kpkg/kernel-package/ |
| 01:29.56 | mwilson | It's just another fsck-with point for the user. |
| 01:30.00 | Wyzard | Maybe he's not the one who built it? |
| 01:30.07 | kenboo | oh ic. i ignored the suggestion when i installed kernel-package long time ago |
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| 01:30.48 | Wyzard | And again, if an admin doesn't want users to be bothered with that info, don't install that package |
| 01:30.49 | mwilson | I don't know about you, but *we* document what's in all of our boxen when we deploy it. |
| 01:31.51 | Wyzard | mwilson: You're thinking of a controlled corporate setting or something... I'm thinking of a Dell/Gateway/etc. who sell systems that they don't have any administrative control over once they ship, and which users can upgrade if they want to |
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| 01:33.02 | Wyzard | mwilson: In a controlled setting, those packages can just be omitted |
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| 01:34.00 | mwilson | I'm sure removing them will break *something*... Gnome always gets pissy when you do that. |
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| 01:34.24 | Wyzard | mwilson: Considering that I don't have either of them installed on my Debian system and it's working fine, I'd tend to disagree |
| 01:34.48 | Wyzard | Well, correction -- I didn't have vino (the VNC server) installed until two days ago |
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| 01:36.16 | mwilson | That's Debian, not Ubuntu... what does Ubuntu do if you remove them? |
| 01:36.33 | holycow | nothin |
| 01:36.41 | holycow | its fine actually |
| 01:36.58 | Wyzard | Let's find out... |
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| 01:38.02 | ionrock | I needed to have a script execute at startup, what file would I edit to have it run at start up. it would be creating some symlinks in /dev/ |
| 01:38.31 | mwilson | ionrock: Why do you think you need to be creating something in /dev on each boot? |
| 01:38.33 | Guerin | eep |
| 01:38.43 | Wyzard | mwilson: Seems fine to me, even after logging out and back in... the only quirk I notice is that the ubuntu-desktop metapackage gets removed too, but that doesn't matter much |
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| 01:39.06 | Guerin | got up this morning and my box was segfaulting like mad and throwing i/o errors whenever I tried to do anything in ~ |
| 01:39.14 | Guerin | time for a new HDD, methinks |
| 01:39.16 | mwilson | Wyzard: Do the preferences for the server still show up? |
| 01:39.33 | Wyzard | For the VNC server? No, that's gone from the menu. |
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| 01:39.51 | ionrock | mwilson: in order for my synaptic touch pad to work I had to make symlinks from /dev/input/eventX to /dev/eventX, since dev seems to get recreated every boot, I need to either tell it to put the eventX in /dev/input or make the symlinks |
| 01:40.07 | Wyzard | ionrock: Are you running sid? |
| 01:40.12 | ionrock | yeah |
| 01:40.20 | elephant | Where should i put an application that will serve to all users on my system ? |
| 01:40.28 | mwilson | ionrock: /dev doesn't get recreated every boot, unless you're unlucky enough to be using udev. |
| 01:40.33 | elephant | Its a MultiUser java server for Flash apps |
| 01:40.48 | elephant | its currently in /home/user/.... |
| 01:40.54 | elephant | but don't think its right |
| 01:41.03 | Wyzard | ionrock: If /dev is being recreated when you reboot, you're most likely using udev, and if stuff that should be in /dev/input is showing up in /dev itself, you're probably seeing the effect of bug #283758 |
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| 01:41.32 | Wyzard | ionrock: cd /etc/udev/rules.d && ln -s ../udev.rules . && reboot |
| 01:41.41 | ionrock | Wyzard: what bugzilla is that on debian or something else? |
| 01:41.56 | Wyzard | ionrock: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=283758 |
| 01:41.59 | mwilson | Wyzard: Wow, that's exceptionally broken, even for Debian's udev package. |
| 01:42.00 | ionrock | cool thanks |
| 01:42.54 | Wyzard | mwilson: It's also fixed now... but as you'd say if you weren't criticizing it, it's your problem if you run sid |
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| 01:43.50 | mwilson | Wyzard: Debian's udev package used to be truly destructive... is it merely annoying now? |
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| 01:44.40 | Wyzard | mwilson: I haven't rebooted my desktop yet so maybe I'll run into a quirk with the nvidia driver or something... but on my laptop, once I created that symlink that was omitted due to the bug, everything was fine |
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| 01:44.44 | Serialkiller | question, i want to back my website up to my linux box, i dont have shell on the website, so is there any way to do it through ftp? |
| 01:44.46 | Wyzard | needed to add apm to /etc/modules, but that's it |
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| 01:45.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: IMHO the udev package has no business wiping out the existing contents of /dev ... has it at least stopped doing that? |
| 01:46.18 | Guerin | Serialkiller: lftp |
| 01:46.35 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'd used udev in the past and switched away from it, so I was mildly annoyed when it became an indirect dependency of gnome-core, and my annoyance level was increased when it seemingly broke my system... but the whole problem turned out to be that missing symlink, and now it's fine and I'm rather happy with it |
| 01:46.41 | Wyzard | No, it doesn't delete the contents of /dev |
| 01:46.44 | Serialkiller | Guerin : ok will look into it, how about a mysql databse? |
| 01:46.59 | Guerin | Serialkiller: look at the "mirror" command with --delete and --inclue/--exclude switches |
| 01:47.04 | ionrock | Wyzard, that is a crappy bug |
| 01:47.07 | pipelined | When did the udev userspace thing ever wipe out /dev? I thought it just acted as an overlay, like devfs |
| 01:47.09 | ionrock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:47.23 | Guerin | Serialkiller: if you have ftp access to the dir containing the sql databases, which if your host is sane, you won't |
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| 01:47.49 | Serialkiller | yea, i dont ahve ftp to that folder |
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| 01:48.11 | Wyzard | mwilson: There's also bug #283323, but as the report says, that's been fixed upstream, so sid should get the fix soon |
| 01:48.23 | Guerin | Serialkiller: you may be able to get them to make a dump into your homedir or something |
| 01:48.39 | ionrock | Wyzard, thanks that worked :) |
| 01:48.40 | Guerin | Serialkiller: you know, every day, at midnight, etc. |
| 01:48.47 | mwilson | pipelined: This was a while ago... I never messed with it again. Just put the maintainer on the list of packages I wouldn't use unless I had absolutely no choice, and went on. |
| 01:48.54 | InsaneInside | Augh! HELP! (What with? :P The package 'wn', a secure webserver, has some problem in its [package] configuration scripts such that I can't even uninstall it with "dpkg --force-all -r wn"!) |
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| 01:48.59 | FsckIt | Guerin: why can't he dump it himself? |
| 01:48.59 | Serialkiller | i have access to crom, can i do it from there? |
| 01:49.10 | leOn | Serialkiller: some GOOD providers give a mysql prompt as shell with ssh access, do you have that, just one of those clickety click phpmyadmin things? |
| 01:49.13 | Guerin | FsckIt: I don't know what his setup is like. |
| 01:49.35 | Guerin | Serialkiller: yeah, if you have cron, that's a shell. |
| 01:49.38 | Serialkiller | FsckIt, i have cpanel with phpmyadmin thing |
| 01:49.47 | Wyzard | mwilson: My only complaint with udev currently is that it doesn't support specifying custom POSIX ACLs for the device nodes it creates, but that's due mostly to the fact that tmpfs doesn't support ACLs |
| 01:49.47 | leOn | blergh |
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| 01:50.03 | mwilson | pipelined: Unfortunately, you can't really do the same thing with the hotplug maintainer or the sysvinit maintainer. |
| 01:50.13 | leOn | if you have cron, try issuing a mysqldump command to a file in your homedir |
| 01:50.36 | leOn | then you can use lftp to get the dump |
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| 01:50.48 | buffer | What package does make-kpkg come in? |
| 01:51.01 | Wyzard | kernel-package |
| 01:51.08 | buffer | Right on. Thanks, |
| 01:51.10 | buffer | thanks* |
| 01:51.13 | FsckIt | Serialkiller: well, if you are using phpMyAdmin, I think it contains a dump command |
| 01:51.21 | mwilson | I have so many packages on hold, just because you can't trust the maintainer... |
| 01:51.31 | buffer | Also, does apt-get have any type of search function |
| 01:51.33 | InsaneInside | Does anyone know how to manually uninstall a package without going through dpkg? |
| 01:51.34 | buffer | to look for packages? |
| 01:51.35 | leOn | buffer: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=make-kpkg&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 01:51.50 | Wyzard | mwilson: What are your criteria for taking one of those packages off hold? |
| 01:52.03 | mwilson | Wyzard: I *don't* take them off hold. |
| 01:52.08 | FsckIt | buffer: aptitude search, or apt-cache search |
| 01:52.15 | buffer | nice |
| 01:52.17 | thoreauputic | !tell buffer about search |
| 01:52.25 | Wyzard | mwilson: So if a maintainer makes a mistake once, you'll never trust anything he packages ever again? |
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| 01:52.48 | mwilson | Uh, excuse me, you're talking about Marco here. |
| 01:52.52 | Guerin | buffer: apt-cache and apt-file are also nifty |
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| 01:53.31 | mwilson | I *always* audit hotplug and sysvinit and initscripts and several others before allowing them on any box. |
| 01:53.35 | Wyzard | mwilson: I don't keep track of DDs for the most part... who is Marco and what does he package? |
| 01:53.46 | mwilson | Wyzard: udev |
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| 01:53.57 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 01:54.28 | calin | Would it be possible to temporarily move the rootfs to a new disk, so you can modify the multiple partitions on one disk to be one partition? |
| 01:54.50 | Serialkiller | is cucipop gone in sarge? |
| 01:55.01 | Wyzard | And you blame him for udev being buggy when udev itself is only at version 0.046? |
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| 01:55.09 | buffer | Has anyone built the ATI drivers here? I'm wondering what make-kpkg --append-to-version "1-386" --revision 2.6.8-1 --config old config does? |
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| 01:55.27 | dubd | my linux box is using a different pts every time I loggin.. I mean, if I have now the 5 pts, the next time will be the 6, then the 7 and so on... Never reuses an old pts... and who -d gives me a list where all that pts are there, dead... any idea? |
| 01:55.39 | FsckIt | Serialkiller: packages.debian.org has it listed just for stable, so I think yes |
| 01:55.40 | Wyzard | buffer: Have you read the manual page for make-kpkg ? |
| 01:55.43 | gnufan | buffer: sorry which ATI drivers? |
| 01:55.45 | pipelined | are you likely to run out? |
| 01:55.45 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, I blame him for some of the stupid things the package has done. Not that I use it, but I'd certainly audit it before I'd allow it to install. |
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| 01:56.19 | buffer | gnufan: Video drivers |
| 01:56.37 | Wyzard | mwilson: Well, to each their own, I guess... it's annoying when things break significantly on occasion, but on the whole, I find sid to be quite usable (with daily dist-upgrades) without blacklisting DDs |
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| 01:57.08 | gnufan | buffer: I've built the Xfree86 ones from source once I think - or is this ATI source code? |
| 01:57.20 | calin | soo? |
| 01:57.22 | mwilson | Wyzard: Sid is *always* broken. The question is "how much?", and whether or not what's broken is something you can live without. |
| 01:57.30 | Serialkiller | FsckIt : is there a replacement? |
| 01:57.43 | buffer | gnufan: those are the one's I have been trying to get working. Did you recompile your kernel? |
| 01:57.50 | ionrock | mwilson, do you use sid? |
| 01:57.57 | mwilson | ionrock: On one box. |
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| 01:58.26 | mwilson | ionrock: Why? |
| 01:58.52 | gnufan | buffer: In the end I just used the bundled XFree86 drivers, I was trying to help debug a problem with my graphics card. We got somewhere, but we didn't solve it alas. No I didn't recompile my kernel. |
| 01:58.52 | Wyzard | mwilson: There are always bugs, sure, but it's rarely broken enough to give me any significant trouble |
| 01:58.55 | ionrock | mwilson, just curious. I was wondering if you thought it was always broken then do you still use it |
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| 01:59.44 | buffer | gnufan: I see, I have a radeon x300 on pci-e, I don't think the drivers are supported by X itsself. |
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| 02:00.04 | Wyzard | buffer: That make-kpkg command you cited has nothing to do with building ATI drivers... |
| 02:00.05 | calin | so no help =\ |
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| 02:00.18 | scorphus | oh lord |
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| 02:00.49 | buffer | gnufan: well, according http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:00.55 | FsckIt | Serialkiller: well, there are several POP3 servers in sarge... courier-pop, cyrus-pop3d, dovecot-pop3d, ipopd, mailutils-pop3d, popa3d, qpopper, solid-pop3d, teapop, ... |
| 02:01.05 | buffer | Wyzard rather* |
| 02:01.19 | gloin_ | I'm trying to install a package via apt-get that has a broken (someone made a typo) dependency, and I can't figure out how to --force the install. |
| 02:01.37 | gloin_ | someone put an extra digit in a dep version =[ |
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| 02:01.46 | FsckIt | Serialkiller: the deal is that all have different features and performance and security profiles, so I can't really tell you which is best (it depends on your particular setup) |
| 02:02.09 | mwilson | Hm, yes, udev's postinst still has the same stupidity. |
| 02:02.20 | gloin_ | where do I find the textfile on my localmachine that has the info on the package so I can edit the blasted thing and get it to install? |
| 02:02.26 | Lenolium | Serialkiller: I'm a big fan of courier-pop, but only if you want virtual accounts, otherwise qpopper seems to do pretty well for speed. |
| 02:02.33 | buffer | Wyzard: says you don't need to actually compile the kernel, but you do need to configure it properly. |
| 02:02.38 | Wyzard | buffer: That's only if you're going to build a new kernel too, because you need a configured kernel source tree... if you're using one of Debian's pre-built kernel-image packages, you can just install the corresponding kernel-headers package |
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| 02:02.44 | Serialkiller | what is good pop3 for sarge? |
| 02:02.51 | FsckIt | Serialkiller: alternately, you could get the source to cucipop, and make a deb for yourself (cucipop is non-free, but IIRC, it was for some don't-charge clauses, not for lack of source) |
| 02:03.06 | mwilson | Removes your existing /dev in favor of what it creates. |
| 02:03.07 | Serialkiller | ahh |
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| 02:03.24 | Wyzard | buffer: "make sure that it's exactly the same configuration you are using", it says -- the kernel-headers package matched to your kernel-source package provides that |
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| 02:03.36 | sanmarcos | where can I find gstreamer-faad for debian? |
| 02:03.42 | Wyzard | mwilson: It moves it to /.dev |
| 02:04.10 | mwilson | Wyzard: As I said. |
| 02:04.23 | buffer | Wyzard: It says the kernel headers package are not enough to build the module, because it improperly uses two private header files outside of the include directory. |
| 02:04.31 | FsckIt | Serialkiller: I think your best bet would be to take some time, and read up on the ones available in sarge, then try out the ones that you think would work in your environment. |
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| 02:04.39 | astronut | How do I defragment a win32 partition from linux? |
| 02:04.40 | manco | does one need to add "hdc=ide-scsi" if they are using a CDRW + kernel 2.24.27? |
| 02:04.46 | Wyzard | mwilson: What would you want it to do instead? |
| 02:04.51 | FsckIt | Serialkiller: then deploy the one you know and like |
| 02:05.00 | mwilson | Wyzard: Leave the existing one alone, of course. |
| 02:05.13 | Wyzard | mwilson: just manage the existing on-disk /dev ? |
| 02:05.35 | buffer | Wyzard: Says, need to install the kernel source code and configure it with make-kpkg.. whatever that means. I'm new to debian and this make-kpkg stuff. |
| 02:05.42 | gloin_ | so there's no way to override an obviously-broken dependency problem using apt-get? Is this really correct? |
| 02:05.51 | Wyzard | mwilson: I'd prefer to have the on-disk /dev stay untouched |
| 02:05.57 | FsckIt | mwilson: question, do you personally use the udev package.. if not, why are we still talking about it? |
| 02:05.59 | gloin_ | other than downloading and installing via dpkg... |
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| 02:06.12 | mwilson | Wyzard: It's not usable. |
| 02:06.28 | mwilson | FsckIt: Because we can. |
| 02:06.40 | astronut | How do I defragment a win32 partition from linux? |
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| 02:06.53 | Wyzard | mwilson: If you're saying udev is not usable, you do realize you're saying this to someone who's currently using it... :-P |
| 02:06.55 | mwilson | Wyzard: It gets moved away and whatever you might have done within it is gone. |
| 02:06.58 | soften | astronut, one way is to back up all its files and then restore them sequentially |
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| 02:07.14 | gloin_ | allo? |
| 02:07.14 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, I'm saying your existing /dev is no longer usable. |
| 02:07.15 | astronut | soften: if i had backup room easily, i'd reformat it as ext3 |
| 02:07.18 | astronut | :-P |
| 02:07.26 | Wyzard | mwilson: OK, that makes more sense |
| 02:07.32 | FsckIt | mwilson: lemme rephrase.. what do you hope to accomplish? |
| 02:07.39 | astronut | speaking of which, does ext3 fragment much, and is it "defragmentable"? |
| 02:07.51 | mwilson | Wyzard: It moves it away and replaces it with this minimalistic thing that hopefully is enough to boot the box. |
| 02:08.05 | Wyzard | astronut: It doesn't need defragmentation often, but a defragmenter is available |
| 02:08.13 | astronut | Wyzard: program name? |
| 02:08.16 | astronut | package |
| 02:08.18 | FsckIt | astronut: no, it doesn't fragment much.. there is a defrag utility out there somewhere, but no one uses it |
| 02:08.21 | Wyzard | buffer: Try the kernel-tree package then |
| 02:08.29 | astronut | FsckIt: ah, ok |
| 02:08.32 | soften | files are stored as chunks called "clusters" or "Fragments" if you like on pretty much every file system. the question is usually, to what degree are the fragments close to or far away from each other. it doesn't much matter, except in unusual cases. |
| 02:08.34 | Wyzard | astronut: I believe the package is named "defrag", but it might also be "e2defrag" or something |
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| 02:09.22 | Serialkiller | anyone used sold-;pop3? |
| 02:09.29 | Serialkiller | solid-pop3 |
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| 02:09.51 | astronut | FsckIt, Wyzard: do you think it's worth bothering to defrag my ext3 partitions? |
| 02:09.55 | Wyzard | mwilson: I believe there's a way to hook into the udev startup script to create other necessary device nodes, though I haven't needed to use it myself |
| 02:09.56 | gloin_ | so there's no way to override an obviously-broken dependency problem using apt-get? Is this really correct? |
| 02:10.25 | maebmij | gloin_: As far as I know, if apt won't install it, you gotta go with .debs and dpkg |
| 02:10.25 | Wyzard | astronut: Unless your system has been installed for a long time with lots of disk activity, then no |
| 02:10.27 | FsckIt | astronut: no, as a matter of fact, I would caution against it, in case the utility messes something up |
| 02:10.31 | mwilson | gloin_: Perhaps if you actually bothered to read the apt-get man page. |
| 02:10.37 | astronut | kk |
| 02:10.44 | astronut | anyway to check my fragmentation? |
| 02:10.52 | gloin_ | mwilson: don't frickin rtfm me - jeez |
| 02:10.54 | mwilson | astronut: There's no need. |
| 02:10.57 | gloin_ | this chan has a bad rep for reasons like that |
| 02:11.10 | mwilson | gloin_: You'd rather I just start typing the man page at you? |
| 02:11.15 | FsckIt | astronut: can I ask why you are so worried about your fragmentation? I'm curious |
| 02:11.18 | astronut | err...i said win32, meant fat32 (vfat) |
| 02:11.18 | Wyzard | gloin_: Don't take it personally -- mwilson is pessimistic about others' intelligence |
| 02:11.22 | soften | gloin_, if one front end to dpkg doesn't do the trick, try another (such as dselect) - simple enough. |
| 02:11.24 | gloin_ | mwilson: you honestly believe I didn't read the man page? |
| 02:11.25 | Wyzard | gloin_: What's this broken dependency problem? |
| 02:11.28 | astronut | FsckIt: i read/write a lot of big files on that drive |
| 02:11.37 | astronut | and it's fat32..which does have a tendency to fragment |
| 02:11.39 | mwilson | gloin_: It's pretty much obvious that you didn't. |
| 02:11.44 | FsckIt | astronut: |
| 02:11.47 | soften | all file systems have a tendency to fragment. |
| 02:11.58 | gloin_ | Wyzard: it's for another deb-based distro, but nobody in the chan for it knows, either |
| 02:11.59 | FsckIt | astronut: I thought we were talking about your ext3 partitions? |
| 02:12.01 | astronut | soften: some more so than others.... |
| 02:12.03 | gloin_ | and mwilson fck off |
| 02:12.04 | nDuff | astronut, you said it was ext3, which tries to resist fragmentation (as long as it has 70% or so free space available |
| 02:12.05 | gloin_ | really |
| 02:12.07 | astronut | FsckIt: i was inquring about both |
| 02:12.09 | Guerin | gloin_: you are moron #... |
| 02:12.12 | Guerin | !moron gloin_ |
| 02:12.14 | dpkg | gloin_: You are moron #56 |
| 02:12.17 | Guerin | 56 |
| 02:12.26 | astronut | i have a fat32 which has a lot of big file read/writes |
| 02:12.28 | Wyzard | gloin_: You still haven't said what the problem *is*, as far as I've seen |
| 02:12.31 | FsckIt | astronut: ok, for ext[23], you basically don't need to worry about fragmentation |
| 02:12.33 | astronut | and then ext3 while i was asking |
| 02:12.38 | Wyzard | astronut: fat32 is much worse for fragmentation |
| 02:12.40 | astronut | FsckIt: k, got that |
| 02:12.40 | astronut | ya |
| 02:12.42 | astronut | i know |
| 02:12.57 | mwilson | <shrug> The man page describes quite plainly how apt-get does not allow broken dependencies to exist, and what can be done to fix them, but you must have a different man page than everyone else. |
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| 02:12.58 | astronut | when i created the partition, i thought i might dualboot in the fturue |
| 02:12.59 | nDuff | astronut, I don't know how to check it on vfat; with ext*, fsck will tell you. |
| 02:13.00 | astronut | so i did fat32 |
| 02:13.02 | astronut | k |
| 02:13.10 | gloin_ | Wyzard: package a says it needs package b version 1:0.2.3 but package b is only at 0.2.6 from source - there's a typo in the dependency file associated with package a |
| 02:13.10 | soften | file systems are just that; file systems -- the operating system(s) which write(s) the files there is doing the fragmenting. |
| 02:13.16 | Guerin | mwilson: that's possible, since he's not using debian |
| 02:13.26 | FsckIt | astronut: for fat32, you do need to worry about it, and defrag it on occasion... the recommended way to do that is using Microsoft's defrag utility in Windows, as far as I know |
| 02:13.28 | nDuff | astronut, btw, there's an adequate read-only driver for ext* on Windows. |
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| 02:13.47 | astronut | nDuff: ::shrug:: |
| 02:13.56 | astronut | FsckIt: not windows |
| 02:13.57 | mwilson | Guerin: Then why is he in here asking? |
| 02:13.57 | Guerin | gloin_: complain to the packager. Read man apt-get and man dpkg. Fuck off back to your distro's channel. Not necessarily in that order. |
| 02:14.07 | Knight_Lord | What are the opinions around here about rdiff-backup? I'm thinking about using it for backups over the network on our lab. |
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| 02:14.11 | astronut | nDuff: i saw some (including read/write), but they were commercial (cost) |
| 02:14.11 | Guerin | mwilson: this has always been a mystery to me. |
| 02:14.13 | FsckIt | astronut: if you answer that you have only Linux, and not Windows, then the recommended course of action is to not use FAT32, but pick a better filesystem. |
| 02:14.18 | Wyzard | gloin_: The typo would have to be the presence of the "1:" epoch, because 1.2.3 is less than 1.2.6... what's the package? |
| 02:14.21 | gloin_ | jesus what a bunch of arrogant pricks... |
| 02:14.31 | astronut | FsckIt: i agree...but i don't have the space to copy all the files off and reformat |
| 02:14.35 | gloin_ | Wyzard: you're correct |
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| 02:14.48 | mwilson | Guerin: He's what, a Crappix user? |
| 02:14.54 | Guerin | gloin_: it's not arrogance. The fact that you're not using debian means we can't presume a lot about your system; nor should we. |
| 02:15.11 | nDuff | gloin_, *you're* the person who has trouble working well with arrogant pricks. It's a useful skill; you should cultivate it. |
| 02:15.14 | Guerin | mwilson: he didn't say WHICH non-debian he was using. |
| 02:15.25 | FsckIt | astronut: the bottom line is that I don't think there's a utility to defrag FAT32 partitions from Linux (I might be wrong, but then again, I wouldn't trust my data to it, either) |
| 02:15.30 | astronut | kk |
| 02:15.32 | Wyzard | gloin_: apt assumes that the package dependency info, and in "plain" Debian I don't think I've ever seen such a problem with the package metadata, so it's not been a problem |
| 02:15.36 | astronut | FsckIt: that's what i was afraid of |
| 02:15.41 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:15.48 | Guerin | #ubuntu |
| 02:15.48 | maebmij | astronut: the recommended fat32 defrag under linux is indeed move-and-move-again. |
| 02:15.51 | astronut | any in place fs convertors, vfat to ext[23]? |
| 02:15.59 | Wyzard | gloin_: If your distro's package metadata does indeed have that mistake in it, you'll need to edit the available file directly, I guess |
| 02:16.10 | nDuff | astronut, I've seen an in-place converter, but I personally wouldn't trust it. |
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| 02:16.13 | mwilson | Guerin: Another idiot trying to install Debian packages in Ubuntu? |
| 02:16.26 | nDuff | astronut, the read-only driver I was referring to is ext2fsd. |
| 02:16.26 | WarDog | oh someone active in here? |
| 02:16.31 | WarDog | great! |
| 02:16.37 | nDuff | WarDog, no, we're all asleep. |
| 02:16.43 | gloin_ | hey mwilson how about you knock off the bullshit - it was an ubuntu package |
| 02:16.44 | astronut | nDuff: nothing really critical, but i'd rather not loose stuff |
| 02:16.46 | WarDog | *cry* |
| 02:16.54 | astronut | nDuff: percent reliability? |
| 02:16.58 | mwilson | gloin_: Sure it was. |
| 02:17.01 | FsckIt | WarDog: there's *always* someone active in here... usually, *too* active, as a matter of fact |
| 02:17.04 | Guerin | gloin_: #ubuntu can help you. |
| 02:17.07 | WarDog | anyone of you ever installed the ATI display drivers? |
| 02:17.10 | gloin_ | mwilson: perhaps it would be good if you get out of your parent's basement once in a while |
| 02:17.13 | Wyzard | gloin_: I have an ubuntu system next to me... out of curiosity, what package are you trying to install? |
| 02:17.14 | Guerin | hahah |
| 02:17.20 | Piru | wardog, probably not. |
| 02:17.21 | gloin_ | Wyzard: check the pmsg |
| 02:17.28 | WarDog | why not? |
| 02:17.29 | Guerin | Wyzard: #ubuntu |
| 02:17.39 | gloin_ | I'm quite done with the asshattery in here |
| 02:17.41 | soften | WarDog, first you ask "is anyone active" next you ask "has anyone installed foo" - the answer is, who cares? those are not the questions you want answered. *think* man |
| 02:17.42 | Guerin | Wyzard: seems like they need clueful people in there. |
| 02:17.49 | gloin_ | hrm |
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| 02:17.53 | WarDog | ok |
| 02:18.00 | nDuff | gloin_, good. Truly, we'll be glad to see you leave -- the s/n noise level sucks enough already. |
| 02:18.00 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'm not clueful about Ubuntu -- just installed it half an hour ago on my laptop |
| 02:18.01 | Guerin | gloin_: /topic |
| 02:18.05 | WarDog | hwo to install the ati drivers properly? |
| 02:18.09 | WarDog | how |
| 02:18.15 | gloin_ | hard to say |
| 02:18.20 | mwilson | WarDog: Perhaps by following the instructions? |
| 02:18.22 | Guerin | Wyzard: that means you only know 500% of what most people in there will... |
| 02:18.23 | WarDog | i did |
| 02:18.24 | Piru | gloin, there's always /part |
| 02:18.27 | nDuff | gloin_, if you're saying you're done, please leave already. |
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| 02:18.35 | soften | probably perl, but it depends on what day it is and who's here of course. |
| 02:18.39 | WarDog | when starting x it tells something about module not found |
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| 02:18.45 | soften | the channel #mandrake on undernet is very friendly. |
| 02:18.46 | WarDog | the fglrx module |
| 02:18.56 | soften | perhaps try that one. |
| 02:18.58 | Guerin | gloin_: #debian-de |
| 02:18.59 | WarDog | i really really googled alot but found no solution |
| 02:19.00 | Wyzard | gloin_: Speaking generically -- stuff that should be true in both Debian and Ubuntu -- you'll probably want to use "apt-cache dumpavail" to dump the metadata to text, correct the typo, and then import it back (there's a command for that, but I don't remember it offhand) |
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| 02:19.01 | asltzvhda | Is there a way to turn off the XFCE background? |
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| 02:19.14 | jdhutchin1 | WarDog, you've compiled the module and installed it, right? |
| 02:19.20 | Guerin | asltzvhda: yes. |
| 02:19.25 | WarDog | well i compiled it |
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| 02:19.33 | nDuff | astronut, just a moment -- I'm looking for it. |
| 02:19.38 | jdhutchin1 | WarDog, what did you do to install it? |
| 02:19.45 | WarDog | uh |
| 02:19.48 | WarDog | it was a rpm |
| 02:19.57 | mwilson | Obviously not follow the instructions. |
| 02:19.57 | jdhutchin1 | WarDog, that's your problem |
| 02:19.59 | WarDog | alien -i |
| 02:20.02 | WarDog | package |
| 02:20.03 | Wyzard | mwilson, Guerin: Congratulations on continuing to give the distribution I use a bad reputation |
| 02:20.03 | astronut | hmm... |
| 02:20.04 | WarDog | no w8 |
| 02:20.09 | WarDog | that didnt work |
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| 02:20.15 | WarDog | it was alien -d |
| 02:20.16 | jdhutchin1 | WarDog, you shouldn't use alien for critical system packates |
| 02:20.21 | jdhutchin1 | find real debian packages |
| 02:20.22 | astronut | it's not possible to create a partition, format and mount it w/o reboot is it? |
| 02:20.27 | WarDog | there are none |
| 02:20.29 | nDuff | astronut, http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/ (be warned that the site is damn near down). |
| 02:20.33 | nDuff | astronut, certainly, it's possible. |
| 02:20.34 | asltzvhda | astronut: Sure. |
| 02:20.36 | jdhutchin1 | WarDog, yes, there are |
| 02:20.40 | WarDog | where? |
| 02:20.41 | astronut | oh really? |
| 02:20.44 | asltzvhda | astronute: Yes. |
| 02:20.44 | WarDog | no official ati |
| 02:20.49 | Knight_Lord | Wyzard: i am with you |
| 02:20.49 | soften | no ati packages? http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 02:20.52 | astronut | i have some junk partitions, and freespace, i'm not using |
| 02:20.54 | Guerin | Wyzard: fuck off. He KNEW he was supposed to ask in #ubuntu, and then came in here with 'tude when we told him to rtfm. |
| 02:21.03 | WarDog | i was on ati page, where else should i look for official packages? |
| 02:21.06 | nDuff | astronut, the only reason it doesn't *always* work is that the partition table is sometimes in use such that the kernel can't reread it. |
| 02:21.07 | astronut | i can repartition/format them w/o rebooting? |
| 02:21.10 | jdhutchin1 | WarDog, google ? |
| 02:21.13 | WarDog | argh |
| 02:21.19 | nDuff | astronut, that's why you get warnings to reboot when repartitioning. |
| 02:21.21 | Wyzard | Guerin: And he *did* ask in #ubuntu -- only came here when nobody there knew |
| 02:21.29 | asltzvhda | astronut: Yes. As long as fdisk doesn't complain. |
| 02:21.43 | nDuff | astronut, you can _always_ reformat a partition that's not in use w/o rebooting; it's repartitioning that sometimes needs a reboot. |
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| 02:21.50 | astronut | ya, the partitioning |
| 02:21.51 | astronut | hmm |
| 02:21.53 | Guerin | Wyzard: ubuntu is a new distro with a LOT of users, and a lot of new users. If they can't support their userload for themselves, wtf should we do it? Where would it end? |
| 02:21.56 | nDuff | astronut, it helps if it's not a drive you're already using for something. |
| 02:22.00 | Wyzard | Guerin: If you don't feel like being helping the user, at least keep your mouth shut when someone else is |
| 02:22.02 | Area-51 | anyone know of a program that i can use to telnet to a local serial port? |
| 02:22.07 | WarDog | hm ok |
| 02:22.08 | astronut | it's /dev/hda, got /, /usr, /home |
| 02:22.09 | astronut | :-P |
| 02:22.15 | WarDog | no help with that, so skip it |
| 02:22.29 | jdhutchin1 | WarDog, we gave you a page that tells you how to install it |
| 02:22.34 | soften | there is no such operation as "telnet to a local serial port" |
| 02:22.41 | Area-51 | soften: yes there is |
| 02:22.47 | nDuff | astronut, in that case, you'll likely need to reboot (unless you can get away w/ reusing the preexisting partition table and only reformatting) |
| 02:22.52 | CompWizrd | Area-51: minicom can talk to serial ports |
| 02:22.54 | soften | okay. |
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| 02:22.58 | mwilson | Area-51: Except that there isn't, of course. |
| 02:23.01 | WarDog | next problem: nvidia drivers, worked really fine for the network drivers but: the audio stuff |
| 02:23.02 | factotum | ubuntu huh? looked different, I figured since about half in the top 10 at distrowatch where debian based for the last month, i figure start at the source. Must say its been great so far |
| 02:23.07 | Area-51 | CompWizrd: minicom was what i was thinking of, thanks |
| 02:23.12 | Guerin | Wyzard: No. Because you helping non-debian users in here as a matter of course will encourage more of them to choose #debian instead of their own distro's channel. |
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| 02:23.33 | astronut | nDuff: i won't be rewriting any of the currently mounted partions |
| 02:23.37 | Knight_Lord | And that would be that bad? |
| 02:23.45 | nDuff | astronut, fwiw, folks frequently use LVM to allow repartitioning and such w/o rebooting (or, in some cases, even unmounting the filesystem being resized!) |
| 02:23.50 | WarDog | insmod nvaudio does not work cause it says "no package" |
| 02:23.56 | nDuff | astronut, yes, but the partition table itself is likely locked. |
| 02:23.58 | astronut | nDuff: i hear LVM is buggy though |
| 02:23.59 | WarDog | but there should be |
| 02:24.00 | astronut | nDuff: ah |
| 02:24.06 | WarDog | question is WHERE |
| 02:24.10 | Wyzard | Guerin: All I told him was what I know from using Debian, and that I think would work in Debian. If my advice doesn't work in Ubuntu then that's his problem, but at least let me give some Debian-specific advice to the guy. |
| 02:24.11 | nDuff | astronut, huh? no, LVM's rock solid, has been for years. |
| 02:24.13 | WarDog | or what the name is |
| 02:24.27 | astronut | nDuff: oh... |
| 02:24.28 | astronut | complex? |
| 02:24.30 | mwilson | Wyzard: The correct advice would have been "file a bug". |
| 02:24.44 | Wyzard | mwilson: Yes, but that doesn't fix the problem in the immediate sense |
| 02:24.47 | WarDog | i810 does not work, i googled, the audidriver of nvidia is an "enhanced" i810 |
| 02:24.58 | Wyzard | mwilson: That's an assumed additional step |
| 02:24.59 | WarDog | but it should name nvaudio |
| 02:24.59 | mwilson | Wyzard: No, just in the correct sense. |
| 02:25.13 | nDuff | astronut, a little bit complex if you've never used anything like it, but it's not a unique implementation -- in fact, it's very much like the one in HPUX, so if you've adminned a HP box using their LVM, you'll be right at home. |
| 02:25.21 | Guerin | Wyzard: i'm talking about pavlovian conditioning. If people don't get the help they need in their own distro's channel, then come in here and they DO get it, they'll come directly here in future. |
| 02:25.26 | Knight_Lord | mwilson: but people need stuff that works |
| 02:25.28 | WarDog | but no module like that on my system :puke: |
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| 02:25.51 | astronut | nDuff: well, i've never admined an hp box, or any other "big" server, being a 16yo kid and all |
| 02:25.51 | Knight_Lord | Guerin: would it be bad to have here people from other distros? |
| 02:25.54 | astronut | :-P |
| 02:26.13 | soften | astronut, I know some 16 yr old's who have admin'ed large systems |
| 02:26.13 | Wyzard | Guerin: There's nothing wrong with telling non-Debian users to go to their respective channels, but you can at least do it in a polite way |
| 02:26.18 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: yes, it would. Google for "how many debian-based distros are there" or somesuch. |
| 02:26.21 | WaruiInu | Guerin: well, debian take over the busy admins :) |
| 02:26.21 | astronut | soften: not as often anymore |
| 02:26.31 | mwilson | Knight_Lord: Obviously you've never been here when the Gentoobies come calling. |
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| 02:26.44 | Guerin | Wyzard: except that's not what you did. |
| 02:26.45 | astronut | Knight_Lord: for generic questions, i don't know why not....this is one of the largest channels on freenode...however, it shouldn't be distro-specific for other distro's |
| 02:26.48 | asltzvhda | Guerin: Why are you so anal? If you don't want to talk to people from other distros., don't. You can't force everyone not to talk to them. |
| 02:27.01 | astronut | just my $.02 |
| 02:27.01 | soften | a polite person might say "It's not likely that debian-specific help will work on your distribution. It would be a good idea to ask in their channel." |
| 02:27.07 | asltzvhda | Guerin: Geezus. You're a freaking Nazi. Lol. |
| 02:27.10 | soften | a jerk says -- well, scroll up |
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| 02:27.48 | daemonTED | hi :). just hoping to get a little help with X. i have tried an .xinitrc file and tried renaming it to .xsession at a friend's suggestion, but either way it doesn't get excecuted when i start X. does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 02:27.53 | Guerin | asltzvhda: When you've had to deal with as many morons in this channel in any given month as I do on a typical day, you can talk to me about this. Until then, keep your worthless opinions to yourself, svp. |
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| 02:28.18 | Wyzard | Guerin: No, I told him something that I know would work in Debian, and I think would probably work in Ubuntu too. If he tried it and said it didn't work, I'd tell him sorry, I don't know then, ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:28.22 | zignig | Guerin: just ignore them , rather that abusing them , sheesh |
| 02:28.33 | soften | guerin |
| 02:28.36 | Guerin | zignig: that doesn't make the problem go away, though, does it? |
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| 02:28.47 | soften | I hope you don't find many to join you in maintianing the purity of the debian race |
| 02:28.54 | asltzvhda | Guerin: If it annoys you, go away. Why come here to deal with people you hate and then complain about it? |
| 02:28.56 | Guerin | soften: fuck off, imbecile. |
| 02:29.04 | maebmij | daemonTED: how are you starting X? |
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| 02:29.06 | zignig | Guerin: nope , but to rid the world of morons , you have to turn it into a black glass ball. |
| 02:29.23 | Guerin | asltzvhda: I'll decide what's worthwhile for me, thanks. |
| 02:29.26 | daemonTED | maebmij, sometimes with gdm, other times manually from console |
| 02:29.33 | bleeder | Oh, I sure do enjoy watching a good ol' flame war every now and then... |
| 02:29.58 | thingfish | I'm going to call your moms! |
| 02:30.03 | zignig | bleeder: mwhaaha , popcorn and deckchairs ? |
| 02:30.20 | maebmij | daemonTED: .xsession is the one you want, and should definitely work with startx - what's in the file? |
| 02:30.21 | Guerin | zignig: I don't want to get rid of the morons; my only request is that they be morons in their own places. debian morons in #debian is fine. Ubuntu morons in #debian isn't. Simple. |
| 02:30.25 | bleeder | zignig: The full monty, dude :) |
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| 02:30.28 | asltzvhda | Guerin: Right and we'll decide what's worthwhile for us. So give your overbearing attitude a rest. |
| 02:30.29 | Knight_Lord | If you don't feel to answer a question just don't do it, no need to bitch about the question. |
| 02:30.30 | holycow | *oooo* chromium bsu game is fun |
| 02:30.54 | zignig | holycow: you need a fast machine to play it though. |
| 02:30.55 | asltzvhda | Guerin: You're not our mothers, don't try to decide who we can talk to. |
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| 02:30.57 | Knight_Lord | people should be free to be in the channel they want |
| 02:31.02 | Guerin | Wyzard: I tend not to waste rational argument on people who compare me to the Nazis. |
| 02:31.10 | Guerin | asltzvhda: /topic |
| 02:31.17 | daemonTED | maebmij, the file just contains some keymapping and a line that has xloadimage -blah -blah so that i can have a bgimage in blackbox |
| 02:31.21 | Guerin | Wyzard: call ops on me. |
| 02:31.21 | soften | Wyzard, some bots have that feature |
| 02:31.25 | astronut | Wyzard: there are eggdrop scripts for that |
| 02:31.29 | astronut | crap, beaten |
| 02:31.36 | soften | heh but you had the make and model |
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| 02:31.39 | zignig | Wyzard: democtratic irc , that'd destroy the fun of flame-wars ! |
| 02:31.42 | asltzvhda | Wyzard: It does. It's called /ignore |
| 02:31.48 | daemonTED | the file is executable too. i can do it fine manually, but naturally i would like it to happen automatically |
| 02:32.02 | holycow | zig true but a 1ghz system seems to be okay |
| 02:32.14 | asltzvhda | Wyzard: If everyone /ignores him he's essentially devoiced. |
| 02:32.20 | maebmij | daemonTED: ok, try putting something really obvious, like 'exec xterm &' as the first line of your .xsession, and see if you get an xterm when you startx. |
| 02:32.33 | Wyzard | asltzvhda: except for new people who come in, don't know who to ignore, and get thrashed :-) |
| 02:32.36 | zignig | holycow: 1ghz , luxury , when I was a boy........ ( my 500 is like frame ... frame .... ) |
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| 02:32.43 | Guerin | ok. So all the fuckwits ignore me, that's fine by me. |
| 02:32.50 | asltzvhda | Wyzard: Easy. Tell the new people to ignore him too. :) |
| 02:33.12 | zignig | Guerin: relax dood. |
| 02:33.15 | holycow | zignig, heh |
| 02:33.17 | jetscreamer | i ignored somebody once |
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| 02:33.21 | daemonTED | maebmij, think i might have just found the problem. just occurred to me to try 'man xsession'. looks like it should maybe be Xsession - punctuation error. do you think that might be right? |
| 02:33.29 | useruser | daemonTED: symlink all likely looking names (.xsession, .xinitrc, .Xsession, ...) to the same file - you're bound to hit it eventually |
| 02:33.47 | daemonTED | useruser, heh, true |
| 02:33.49 | maebmij | daemonTED: for me, '.xsession' (exactly) does work, so that's probably not it... |
| 02:34.06 | daemonTED | maebmij, oh, bummer. |
| 02:34.08 | maebmij | daemonTED: It's in your home dir, right? |
| 02:34.21 | daemonTED | maebmij, yes. |
| 02:36.08 | maebmij | daemonTED: check in /etc/X11/Xsession.options that you have the line 'allow-user-xsession' |
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| 02:37.12 | daemonTED | maebmij, it looks like i do have that in there :/ |
| 02:38.13 | useruser | daemonTED: permissions? |
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| 02:39.15 | daemonTED | useruser, -rwxr-xr-x 1 username username |
| 02:40.02 | useruser | daemonTED: odd |
| 02:40.16 | useruser | daemonTED: try this: sh -xv /etc/X11/Xsession 2>&1 | less |
| 02:40.27 | useruser | daemonTED: then look for USERXSESSION |
| 02:40.53 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 02:41.30 | Jeremye77 | Hi! what can i type into apt-get to remove gnome? |
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| 02:42.33 | pipelined | apt-get remove gnome2-common |
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| 02:42.35 | Guerin | Jeremye77: apt-get remove --purge libgnome32 |
| 02:42.59 | jeremye772 | will that get rid of all the games and stuff also? |
| 02:43.12 | Guerin | jeremye772: it'll get rid of everything that needs gnome libs |
| 02:43.15 | jeremye772 | and themes etc.? |
| 02:43.23 | Knight_Lord | It would be nice that meta packages would be implemented in such a way that the remove thing would work as the reverse as the install |
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| 02:43.31 | jeremye772 | sweet. thanks! |
| 02:43.35 | Wyzard | Knight_Lord: debfoster can help with that |
| 02:43.35 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: if you use aptitude, they are. |
| 02:43.40 | Guerin | yeah |
| 02:43.46 | Wyzard | aptitude too... same concept |
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| 02:43.58 | jetscreamer | first good thing i ever heard about aptitude |
| 02:44.03 | WaruiInu | does interfaces file has the option to set a realm to the default gateway ? |
| 02:44.04 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: apt-get is actually a quick and dirty packaging tool which wasn't intended for production use |
| 02:44.21 | Knight_Lord | Guerin: big miscalculation :-D |
| 02:44.29 | jeremye772 | libgnome apparently is not installed. how about that? |
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| 02:44.32 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: even so... it workd, doesn't it? |
| 02:44.44 | Guerin | jeremye772: did I tell you to purge libgnome? |
| 02:44.48 | Knight_Lord | Guerin: yea apt-get works great |
| 02:44.54 | jeremye772 | yes |
| 02:45.06 | guestish | aptitude vs apt-get, any advantages either way? |
| 02:45.10 | Knight_Lord | Guerin: it was my first reason to use debian |
| 02:45.20 | jetscreamer | dselect >* |
| 02:45.21 | guestish | all i know about aptitude is that its better than dselect =P |
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| 02:45.26 | useruser | heh |
| 02:45.27 | guestish | dselect blows imho |
| 02:45.37 | Wyzard | Guerin: I'd consider using aptitude if it could interoperate with debfoster's keepers list |
| 02:45.38 | Guerin | guestish: aptitude ignores the status file, and therefore ignores all your holds, etc. |
| 02:45.39 | jetscreamer | you have a bad one then :) no offense |
| 02:45.43 | useruser | first time i saw a debian box it was running dselect |
| 02:45.47 | FsckIt | guestish: aptitude is basically a superset of apt-get, from what I can tell |
| 02:45.50 | bleeder | dselect does really blow |
| 02:45.51 | guestish | Guerin: it has its own hold file |
| 02:45.54 | Guerin | Wyzard: I'd use if itf it would obey my status file. |
| 02:45.56 | stoned | guestish, both have thier uses, it depends on what works best for you |
| 02:45.57 | jeremye772 | apt-get rocks! When you know that name of what you want get or remove |
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| 02:46.07 | Guerin | guestish: I don't want to have to use its own hold file. |
| 02:46.08 | jetscreamer | no it doesn't. what you are objecting to is the package list in dselect. |
| 02:46.14 | Wyzard | useruser: first time I saw a Debian box, it was running dselect, because apt didn't exist yet :-) |
| 02:46.17 | guestish | Guerin: where did you show up in this picture? |
| 02:46.20 | Knight_Lord | jeremye772: or when you also have this apt-cache program |
| 02:46.22 | Guerin | guestish: ? |
| 02:46.23 | Shorty` | is there any way to make apt-get retry to download a package if it fails? |
| 02:46.31 | jetscreamer | jsut rerun the command |
| 02:46.34 | Guerin | guestish: I'm at bottom left, just out of frame |
| 02:46.39 | guestish | Guerin: you just said you didnt want to use theirs....i wasnt even talking about you... |
| 02:46.42 | guestish | Guerin: heh |
| 02:46.45 | WaruiInu | jeremye772: you probably forgot the 32 part |
| 02:46.56 | daemonTED | useruser, did what you said and found the section that refers to USERXSESSION. from what i can see, it looks like everything should be okay??? |
| 02:47.04 | jeremye772 | "Package libgnome32 is not installed, so not removed" |
| 02:47.06 | guestish | Guerin: anyways apt works fine for me too :) |
| 02:47.18 | Guerin | guestish: that's why I don't use aptitude - its interaction with the other debian packaging tools is unclean. |
| 02:47.23 | jeremye772 | I just used gnome tho heh |
| 02:47.29 | guestish | Guerin: well its not the official tool |
| 02:47.31 | WaruiInu | jeremye772: dpkg --list |grep libgnome |
| 02:47.35 | Wyzard | jeremye772: Try libgnome2-0 |
| 02:47.43 | Guerin | guestish: it's the default packaging tool for sarge. |
| 02:47.44 | guestish | Guerin: no super cow powers :) |
| 02:47.48 | WaruiInu | and purge that mf :) |
| 02:47.49 | guestish | Guerin: really? |
| 02:47.55 | guestish | Guerin: typing in apt-get gives aptitude? |
| 02:48.03 | jetscreamer | yes it is and i was very irritated the first time i used d-i |
| 02:48.04 | maebmij | daemonTED: so what actually happens when you run startx? just a checkered grey bg, or do you get some window manager? |
| 02:48.06 | Wyzard | Guerin: Just FYI, libgnome32 is a gnome1 library... gnome2 stuff doesn't depend on it; use libgnome2-0 instead |
| 02:48.08 | Guerin | jeremye772: hrm, wtf - libgnome32 isn't installed? |
| 02:48.09 | jeremye772 | oh yah that did it. thanks you both. |
| 02:48.11 | jetscreamer | no you get aptitude in the installer |
| 02:48.14 | Guerin | ah, ok |
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| 02:48.19 | guestish | oh, well i like it more than dselect |
| 02:48.20 | Guerin | !punish me |
| 02:48.24 | Guerin | eep |
| 02:48.25 | useruser | daemonTED: how do you know it's not being run? |
| 02:48.25 | Wyzard | ouch |
| 02:48.31 | Guerin | that's going a bit far |
| 02:48.34 | guestish | painful.. |
| 02:48.44 | zignig | guestish: messy more like. |
| 02:48.49 | guestish | and it wouldnt work on all people |
| 02:49.00 | guestish | zignig: dont even make me visualize it... |
| 02:49.06 | jetscreamer | there al better |
| 02:49.11 | useruser | daemonTED: right at the top of the file, make it touch a file or date > /tmp/splat or something |
| 02:49.12 | zignig | guestish: BLEH! |
| 02:49.15 | guestish | >_< |
| 02:49.23 | zignig | guestish: nice weather we're having. ;) |
| 02:49.32 | jeremye772 | jeez gnome takes 250 Megabytes! I hate to see what KDE takes up heh. |
| 02:49.33 | guestish | zignig: lol |
| 02:49.39 | guestish | zignig: depends where in the world you are ;) |
| 02:49.51 | daemonTED | useruser, because it's not doing any of the stuff i tell it to do. the most visually obvious thing it should do is set the background image |
| 02:50.17 | useruser | daemonTED: right, perhaps the commands are failing or the script is screwed. try my suggestion above |
| 02:50.22 | zignig | guestish: today is 17 deg C and overcast, v nice and, just wrong for .au in Dec ,but i no complain. |
| 02:50.31 | guestish | heh |
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| 02:50.45 | Guerin | yeah, it's pretty warm up here today |
| 02:50.49 | zignig | guestish: @LOCALWEATHER ? |
| 02:50.52 | Guerin | well above freezing |
| 02:51.04 | guestish | zignig: hmm? |
| 02:51.20 | daemonTED | useruser, what do you mean by touch i file? |
| 02:51.38 | Wyzard | daemonTED: man touch |
| 02:51.41 | useruser | daemonTED: try the second suggestion, it's easier. |
| 02:51.42 | zignig | guestish: whats the weather like were you are ? |
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| 02:51.45 | guestish | zignig: about 60 degrees F here as a high and about 20 as a low |
| 02:51.47 | usuario | the sarge gnome update redid the "application..." menu when right clicking on files, it's worse |
| 02:51.50 | guestish | zignig: dunno how that translates in C |
| 02:51.50 | jeremye772 | what are some common and easy things to do to improve my system performance? Is there a web page about it? |
| 02:52.01 | guestish | !f to c |
| 02:52.02 | zignig | guestish: fkn cold I suspect. |
| 02:52.06 | guestish | !convert 40F |
| 02:52.14 | useruser | daemonTED: plus, did you try to run the .xsession file in a running X session? does it function correctly? |
| 02:52.17 | guestish | !convert 40 F |
| 02:52.23 | maebmij | daemonTED: so you want to make your first line of .xsession be 'date > /tmp/splat' (without quotes) |
| 02:52.31 | Guerin | guestish: convert to what? bunnies? |
| 02:52.37 | maebmij | daemonTED: and then afterwards see if you have the date written in file /tmp/splat |
| 02:52.39 | guestish | Guerin: Farenheight to Centegrade |
| 02:52.39 | daemonTED | useruser, yes, it functions fine if i execute it myself |
| 02:52.46 | useruser | daemonTED: ok |
| 02:52.47 | Guerin | guestish: so tell the damn bot... |
| 02:52.50 | useruser | daemonTED: try the splat thing |
| 02:52.55 | guestish | !convert 40 f to c |
| 02:52.56 | daemonTED | okay |
| 02:52.57 | dpkg | 40 f cannot be converted to c: conformability error |
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| 02:53.02 | guestish | i dunno the syntax |
| 02:53.12 | FsckIt | guestish: I think, 40/9 C.. or about 4 C |
| 02:53.15 | astronut | !convert 4 linux users to windows users |
| 02:53.16 | jetscreamer | !convert 40c |
| 02:53.16 | Wyzard | guestish: It's spelled "Fahrenheit", but dpkg doesn't recognize it as a unit :-( |
| 02:53.17 | dpkg | 4 linux users cannot be converted to windows users: Unknown unit 'linux' |
| 02:53.19 | guestish | anyways its cold |
| 02:53.23 | Guerin | !convert 40 fahrenheit to celcius |
| 02:53.24 | guestish | really cold |
| 02:53.24 | dpkg | 40 fahrenheit cannot be converted to celcius: Unknown unit 'fahrenheit' |
| 02:53.29 | FsckIt | between 4 and 5, anyway |
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| 02:53.45 | simonrvn | @convert 40 F to C |
| 02:53.47 | ravenbird | 40 F cannot be converted to C: conformability error |
| 02:53.48 | Bugalugs | !convert |
| 02:53.48 | Wyzard | gah... can't *anyone* spell both Fahrenheit and Celsius correctly? :-P |
| 02:53.49 | FsckIt | (40-32)*5/9 |
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| 02:54.05 | Guerin | Wyzard: I can... and did |
| 02:54.12 | useruser | daemonTED: (by the way, the first line should be #!/bin/sh, and you should insert the splat thing after this) |
| 02:54.22 | Wyzard | Guerin: No, you misspelled Celsius as "Celcius" |
| 02:54.24 | simonrvn | @convert 40 Fahrenheit to Celsius |
| 02:54.26 | ravenbird | 40 Fahrenheit cannot be converted to Celsius: Unknown unit 'Fahrenheit' |
| 02:54.29 | Guerin | ah, so I did |
| 02:54.33 | simonrvn | fuck you bot |
| 02:54.38 | guestish | lol |
| 02:54.39 | Guerin | man, I am stupid this morning |
| 02:54.39 | stoned | how do you make the degree sign in linux, i tried the alt + numpad for extended ascii set thingy, but i guess thats just a windows thing, how do i get that function in debian |
| 02:54.39 | eggy | loll |
| 02:54.44 | guestish | ravenbird: who owns you? |
| 02:54.47 | ravenbird | simonrvn |
| 02:54.50 | guestish | simonrvn: heh |
| 02:55.03 | FsckIt | 4.44C |
| 02:55.11 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 02:55.11 | usuario | @convert 5 pennies nickles |
| 02:55.17 | useruser | stoned: alt+0 does it for me in uxterm |
| 02:55.17 | daemonTED | useruser, lol, geez i'm a retard. i forgot all about the #!/bin/bash bit. that might just be the problem eh? |
| 02:55.19 | simonrvn | nickels |
| 02:55.21 | guestish | usuario: you forgot the "to" |
| 02:55.22 | useruser | daemonTED: definitely |
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| 02:55.27 | Bugalugs | 4.44c, thats a summer night where im from hehe |
| 02:55.34 | useruser | daemonTED: unless you remove the executable bit from the permissions |
| 02:55.48 | Guerin | !tell stoned about extended chars |
| 02:55.51 | usuario | @convert 5 pennies to nickles |
| 02:55.53 | ravenbird | 5 pennies cannot be converted to nickles: Unknown unit 'pennies' |
| 02:55.56 | Guerin | nickels |
| 02:55.59 | stoned | ok i did alt+0 and now it says (arg: 0) |
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| 02:56.15 | Bugalugs | @convert 5 lb to kg |
| 02:56.16 | usuario | @convert $1 to cents |
| 02:56.17 | ravenbird | 5 lb is approximately 2.26796 kg |
| 02:56.18 | ravenbird | $1 cannot be converted to cents: Unknown unit '$1' |
| 02:56.21 | guestish | heh |
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| 02:56.30 | Bugalugs | @convert 114 kg to lb |
| 02:56.32 | ravenbird | 114 kg is approximately 251.327 lb |
| 02:56.33 | usuario | @convert 1 dollar to cents |
| 02:56.33 | Wyzard | usuario: Use "dollar" |
| 02:56.35 | ravenbird | 1 dollar is approximately 100 cents |
| 02:56.38 | Bugalugs | thats me |
| 02:56.38 | Bugalugs | heh |
| 02:56.39 | simonrvn | ok ok, use /msg |
| 02:56.54 | FsckIt | 1 dollar is exactly 100 cents |
| 02:57.03 | guestish | oh good, my locale is working |
| 02:57.04 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 02:57.04 | stoned | let me just once, my weight actually |
| 02:57.12 | stoned | @convert 135 pounds kilograms |
| 02:57.14 | Wyzard | indeed... I was about to comment on that "approximately" |
| 02:57.15 | jetscreamer | only about .25cents |
| 02:57.23 | simonrvn | stoned: use /msg FFS |
| 02:57.34 | simonrvn | @ignore stoned |
| 02:57.34 | ravenbird | error: chan #debian is invalid. |
| 02:57.36 | Bugalugs | stoned you need to put on weight |
| 02:57.36 | lianliming | :) |
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| 02:57.54 | guestish | must...download... |
| 02:57.59 | stoned | @fuck simonrvn |
| 02:58.08 | Wyzard | Bugalugs: depends on stoned's age... and gender |
| 02:58.12 | Bugalugs | yer |
| 02:58.14 | daemonTED | useruser, for some reason it's still not working :/ |
| 02:58.16 | stoned | im 23 male |
| 02:58.20 | usuario | What coding languages should I know if I want to get involved in development? |
| 02:58.22 | guestish | @betray stoned |
| 02:58.22 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 02:58.25 | stoned | endowed with very bad gastic problems lol |
| 02:58.25 | Bugalugs | im like 6kg over for my age/gender/race |
| 02:58.30 | guestish | nothing |
| 02:58.34 | jetscreamer | !sex stonded |
| 02:58.35 | dpkg | stonded is about 16% vegetable |
| 02:58.40 | jetscreamer | !sex stoned |
| 02:58.40 | dpkg | stoned is about 26% female |
| 02:58.44 | jetscreamer | see? |
| 02:58.44 | stoned | ah |
| 02:58.46 | stoned | hey |
| 02:58.47 | usuario | !sex me |
| 02:58.47 | dpkg | usuario is about 85% vegetable |
| 02:58.51 | stoned | we all have a fem side |
| 02:58.54 | Guerin | !stupid bot tricks |
| 02:58.55 | guestish | !literal sex |
| 02:58.55 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
| 02:58.55 | dpkg | sex is <reply> something you'll never get, geek. |
| 02:58.56 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 02:58.56 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 02:59.02 | useruser | daemonTED: did you put the splat thing in? does it work when you run it just by typing '~/.xsession' ? |
| 02:59.02 | usuario | !sex dpkg |
| 02:59.03 | dpkg | dpkg is about 94% male |
| 02:59.05 | stoned | technically all males arn't pure males, they are half females, XX, XY go figure |
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| 02:59.07 | maebmij | usuario: C is the most useful, but maybe not the best language to learn first? |
| 02:59.20 | guestish | completely random |
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| 02:59.28 | useruser | stoned: that's mumbo-jumbo |
| 02:59.39 | stoned | its genetics man |
| 02:59.39 | guestish | stoned: um, thats not true, lol |
| 02:59.42 | zignig | stoned: you can get YY and XYY , etc. |
| 02:59.43 | daemonTED | useruser, yeah, still works when manually executed |
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| 02:59.49 | usuario | maebmij: I have C++ experience and am currently working with java |
| 02:59.54 | FsckIt | stoned: technically it's the lack of a Y chromosome that makes a female, not the existence of an X |
| 02:59.59 | simonrvn | stoned: go back to school to re-learn biology dude |
| 03:00.04 | useruser | daemonTED: does /tmp/splat get created? |
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| 03:00.07 | stoned | zignig, im not talking about abnormalites or mutated genes, im talking about in general, xx=fem xy=male |
| 03:00.11 | simonrvn | f'ing idiot |
| 03:00.12 | daemonTED | yeah |
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| 03:00.13 | guestish | stoned: X just happens to be a shape of a chromisome |
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| 03:00.14 | usuario | can someone point me to some good C coding sites? |
| 03:00.21 | guestish | stoned: its what they look like |
| 03:00.28 | useruser | daemonTED: and when you run startx, it isn't updated? (cat /tmp/splat to see the date) |
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| 03:00.36 | simonrvn | usuario: http://www.google.com/ |
| 03:00.45 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 03:00.47 | stoned | FsckIt, stating the obvious |
| 03:00.49 | maebmij | usuario: the book 'the C programming language' ('k&r') is all you need - but really, the difference if you already know c++ is small. |
| 03:00.55 | usuario | simonrvn: right... just wondering if someone actually had good sites bookmarked |
| 03:01.07 | daemonTED | useruser, when i ran startx, it didn't create the file at all |
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| 03:01.21 | FsckIt | stoned: well, that means that the 'part female' stuff is, well, not correct |
| 03:01.39 | Wyzard | usuario: This is ~/.xsession you're working with? |
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| 03:01.46 | stoned | actually it is, its debateable, unless you can prove me wrong by pointing me to a well credited research site |
| 03:01.53 | brunner | is anyone willing to comment on how unstable experimental is? |
| 03:01.57 | useruser | daemonTED: did you symlink .xinitrc to .xsession? |
| 03:02.04 | Gnea | actually |
| 03:02.09 | cdc | hello friends. I would like to know what is Debian Sarge. Does it contain the latest packages? |
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| 03:02.19 | Gnea | since males and females are both human, stoned is right. |
| 03:02.20 | usuario | usuario: What? My question was about language experience for development. |
| 03:02.23 | stoned | if you care enough to prove me wrong, otherwise I believe what I read in the books, my folks happen to be medical doctors |
| 03:02.25 | brunner | cdc: you might start with google |
| 03:02.30 | Wyzard | I think startx uses ~/.xsession if and only if ~/.xinitrc does not exist... but I'm not entirely sure of that |
| 03:02.37 | daemonTED | useruser, no, but .xsession and .Xsession are both listed in Xsession.options and i am currently using filename .Xsession |
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| 03:02.43 | stoned | Gnea, word |
| 03:02.56 | usuario | Wyzard: oh, I see, wrong msg, thats ok |
| 03:03.01 | useruser | daemonTED: right, but i just took a look at man startx. it only seems to talk about .xinitr |
| 03:03.05 | useruser | s/$/c/ |
| 03:03.24 | cdc | brunner, i didnt get the required info so thought that might be anyone would have installed it |
| 03:03.24 | FsckIt | stoned: well, if you truly want to debate this.. you have to first define the terms 'male' and the terms 'female' |
| 03:03.43 | stoned | FsckIt, i also try not to indulge in the socratic method |
| 03:03.52 | stoned | i leave it for the philosophically inclined |
| 03:03.55 | stoned | :) |
| 03:04.03 | maebmij | useruser, daemonTED, my startx manpage says 'don't use xinitrc, use xsession' in the first paragraph :) |
| 03:04.05 | useruser | FsckIt: clearly the only possible definition is that a male is someone with two Y chromosomes; a female is someone with two X chromosomes |
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| 03:04.21 | Wyzard | useruser, daemonTED: If you don't have a ~/.xinitrc, /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc gets used... all it does is run /etc/X11/Xsession, which runs your ~/.xsession |
| 03:04.30 | useruser | Wyzard: fair point :) |
| 03:04.33 | guestish | oy, remember me to never come to you guys for biology advice |
| 03:04.34 | jeremye772 | I think it has to do with having a penis or a vagina |
| 03:04.37 | useruser | daemonTED: i'm stumped |
| 03:04.41 | daemonTED | useruser, hmm. thanks for trying to help me, but my wife is on my case to get ready to go and see her grandmother :P |
| 03:04.42 | zinx | useruser: uh.. no one has two Y chromosomes except freaks, and they still have an X |
| 03:04.46 | FsckIt | stoned: well, you can not have meaningful talk about something unless both parties know what you are talking about.. otherwise you just end up talking pass each other |
| 03:04.50 | brunner | cdc: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianSarge |
| 03:04.54 | useruser | zinx: right, this is my point... |
| 03:05.01 | daemonTED | i'd better get a move on |
| 03:05.37 | FsckIt | useruser: not true.. you can have other combinations.. XYY, and YY, for instance |
| 03:05.37 | stoned | useruser, males are in general, XY and females are XX, we have all the female hormones naturally occuring in our bodies, only in minute quantities, just like women have tiny amounbts of testosterone, a male hormone |
| 03:05.37 | useruser | aargh |
| 03:05.37 | useruser | irony is lost on you people |
| 03:05.37 | zinx | hehe |
| 03:05.38 | stoned | FsckIt, i am well aware of the importance of reaching clarity in a discussion |
| 03:05.38 | stoned | but now atm |
| 03:05.38 | stoned | :) |
| 03:05.38 | stoned | not* |
| 03:05.38 | FsckIt | useruser: also, you can define based on amount estrogen vs. testosterone |
| 03:05.38 | zignig | useruser: irony does not translate will on irc. |
| 03:05.47 | cdc | brunner, thanks man and one question is Debian Sarge == knoppix 3.6 ? |
| 03:05.57 | guestish | useruser: maybe you should try chaging your tone of voice? |
| 03:05.57 | cdc | brunner, is it better than Woody? |
| 03:06.02 | FsckIt | useruser: or presence or absence of primary or secondary sexual characteristics (i.e. plumbing present) |
| 03:06.08 | jetscreamer | no sarge is knoppix 4.0 |
| 03:06.22 | useruser | FsckIt: actually, i couldn't care less... |
| 03:06.36 | FsckIt | useruser: which, believe it or not, doesn't always correspond to presence of Y chromosome |
| 03:06.39 | jetscreamer | anything is better than woody for a desktop |
| 03:07.00 | stoned | useruser, noone really cares, its just a discussion to get us away from debian for a minute or two |
| 03:07.00 | stoned | :) |
| 03:07.00 | Guerin | cdc: topic |
| 03:07.00 | brunner | cdc: debian != knoppix... knoppix is based on debian packages AFAIK, but I don't know which ones. ask them. |
| 03:07.04 | Guerin | jetscreamer: don't. |
| 03:07.10 | jetscreamer | debian is too ... ok guerin :) |
| 03:07.21 | jetscreamer | LOL |
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| 03:07.59 | jetscreamer | ok i'm predictable now, must change |
| 03:08.09 | jetscreamer | nyle you toke all the time, who cares |
| 03:08.09 | soften | as an example; mandrake is based on red hat packages. mandrake isn't red hat. red hat couldn't care less whether you get mandrake working. |
| 03:08.13 | brownjt | Anyone in here uses Gmail? |
| 03:08.21 | FsckIt | jetscreamer: if that's the case, don't play poker |
| 03:08.26 | stoned | red hat gives less than twho shits about linux really |
| 03:08.42 | stoned | one man's opinion, the man shuts up now |
| 03:08.54 | jetscreamer | i always win at poker... when it's for funsies. when it's money i don't do so good |
| 03:09.08 | stoned | i never really understood how to play poker |
| 03:09.15 | astronut | is anyone running the debian package build of fluxbox .9.10 from the SF site? |
| 03:09.18 | stoned | they tried to teach me, but im so horrible at card games |
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| 03:09.27 | Guerin | stoned: the game is trivial - it's the interaction which is important. |
| 03:09.31 | FsckIt | jetscreamer; again, that whole being predictable thing |
| 03:09.33 | brownjt | Soften? uses Gmail |
| 03:09.33 | jeremye772 | how do you know what Debian version you have? |
| 03:09.44 | Guerin | jetscreamer: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:09.48 | Guerin | ehh |
| 03:09.49 | jeremye772 | oh |
| 03:09.50 | stoned | Guerin, of course, i've participated in drunk strip poker without knowing how to play |
| 03:09.53 | Guerin | jeremye772: ^^ |
| 03:10.02 | Guerin | stoned: of course you have. |
| 03:10.08 | stoned | heh, who hasn't |
| 03:10.09 | stoned | lol |
| 03:10.29 | FsckIt | stoned: of course, who cares about knowing how to play in that case.. that's not the point |
| 03:10.34 | stoned | yup |
| 03:10.36 | soften | Brown, do not send me dcc chat requests. that's rude. |
| 03:10.38 | stoned | i was just commenting though |
| 03:10.45 | stoned | i would like to learn how to play though |
| 03:10.52 | jetscreamer | i thought the point was to ge tthe opposite sex to strip |
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| 03:10.55 | stoned | maybe i'll save it for when i get sent to the can |
| 03:10.57 | stoned | :/ |
| 03:11.17 | FsckIt | jetscreamer: yep, and hopefully go from there |
| 03:11.19 | jetscreamer | stoned, keep being as security concious as you show you are and one day you may actually get there |
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| 03:11.25 | Guerin | stoned: you can learn the rules of poker in 10 minutes |
| 03:11.25 | stoned | jet |
| 03:11.31 | cowbud | stoned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_poker |
| 03:11.35 | stoned | i could actually care less |
| 03:11.39 | Guerin | stoned: it's like go, except played against people |
| 03:11.40 | stoned | omg! awiki for poker |
| 03:11.40 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:11.44 | stoned | SWEEEET! |
| 03:11.44 | cowbud | ahah |
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| 03:11.53 | maebmij | god bless wikipedia. |
| 03:11.54 | Jeremye77 | WTF is a DCC? It knocked me off. |
| 03:12.03 | stoned | direct client to client |
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| 03:12.14 | Jeremye77 | Where do they come from? |
| 03:12.16 | brownjt | jeremy772 you use gmail? im trying toget it but i need to get it from someone who has it |
| 03:12.21 | stoned | its a protocol |
| 03:12.25 | FsckIt | Guerin: "it's like go, except played against people" WTF? |
| 03:12.25 | stoned | for communications |
| 03:12.32 | stoned | read the dcc rfc or lookit up on google |
| 03:12.42 | soften | Brownjt - since you are rude, Jeremye77 and I are unlikely to send you an invite. think about it. |
| 03:12.46 | Jeremye77 | how do i get rid of it they are bad I assume |
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| 03:12.59 | jetscreamer | should be a setting in your irc client |
| 03:12.59 | Jeremye77 | I dont hace any left either |
| 03:13.03 | stoned | you can't, you can block dcc chat/xfer requests on your irc client |
| 03:13.04 | Guerin | FsckIt: simple rules, complex strategy. |
| 03:13.11 | stoned | but you can't get rid of dcc |
| 03:13.12 | stoned | lol |
| 03:13.14 | Wyzard | Jeremye77: DCC is a protocol used for file transfers over IRC, and can be used for chat |
| 03:13.26 | Jeremye77 | oh |
| 03:13.28 | Wyzard | Jeremye77: What you saw was someone requesting to open a DCC chat session with you |
| 03:13.34 | Jeremye77 | I must have a DCC bug then |
| 03:13.37 | stoned | lol |
| 03:13.38 | Wyzard | Jeremye77: (It requires your approval because it exposes your IP address) |
| 03:13.58 | FsckIt | Guerin: not as simple rules, and not as complex strategy |
| 03:14.01 | Wyzard | Actually, IPs are already visible on IRC, so scratch that |
| 03:14.09 | Guerin | FsckIt: indeed. But the principles hold. |
| 03:14.24 | stoned | Wyzard, i havn't ever gotten dcc forwarding to work behind an irc proxy |
| 03:14.51 | astronut | Wyzard: many networks mask IP's |
| 03:15.05 | Jeremye77 | come ot think of it Gmail hasnt give me any invites lately. Did they stop? |
| 03:15.11 | stoned | astronut, i think he knows that ;) |
| 03:15.12 | Wyzard | stoned: I dunno about a proxy, but Linux iptables has a module (ip_conntrack_irc, I believe) which makes it work through IP masquerading ("NAT") |
| 03:15.14 | guestish | Jeremye77: lol |
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| 03:15.30 | stoned | Wyzard, oh ok, i'll look into it |
| 03:15.31 | astronut | i dunno, i several left, so i don't get more |
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| 03:16.07 | stoned | i havn' tyet started on networking yet, I have been busy reading module asstant and some other much used tools manuals |
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| 03:16.12 | Wyzard | stone_: Actually, looks like my router has both "ip_conntrack_irc" and "ip_nat_irc" loaded |
| 03:16.12 | brownjt | Does anyone in here use gmail? |
| 03:16.15 | cdc | has Debian Sarge been released? |
| 03:16.17 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 03:16.17 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:16.22 | guestish | cdc: hah |
| 03:16.22 | Guerin | cdc: /topic |
| 03:16.27 | Wyzard | Brown: What are you doing, begging for invites? |
| 03:16.28 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 03:16.28 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 03:16.33 | cdc | has Debian released the final version of Debian Sarge. |
| 03:16.37 | brownjt | yes |
| 03:16.38 | Wyzard | cdc: no |
| 03:16.38 | stoned | Wyzard, what router do you use, or is that confidential? |
| 03:16.40 | Guerin | cdc: TOPIC |
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| 03:16.53 | soften | brownjt is sending dcc chat requests to people to beg for invites. very antisocual |
| 03:16.57 | guestish | cdc: sarge will never be released |
| 03:17.01 | guestish | nevaaaa |
| 03:17.05 | stoned | lol |
| 03:17.06 | jetscreamer | i thought cdc was a troll |
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| 03:17.08 | stoned | yeh it will |
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| 03:17.16 | Guerin | brownjt: go ask in #fucktards |
| 03:17.16 | stoned | someday |
| 03:17.22 | Wyzard | stoned: a 150MHz Pentium with a 2GB hard drive that I installed Debian on two years ago when I got broadband |
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| 03:17.32 | Jeremye77 | there is some invite trader that uses Email I send all mine to it. but now I forgot the address! :( |
| 03:17.44 | stoned | Wyzard, ah ok, I have a buffalo airstation g54 wireless |
| 03:18.09 | cdc | jetscreamer, i ve just got a doubt |
| 03:18.10 | cdc | thats it |
| 03:18.10 | Wyzard | stoned: I'm not interested in router appliances... I'd much rather have something I can log into and actually do stuff |
| 03:18.16 | maebmij | brownjt: there's always http://isnoop.net/gmailomatic.php |
| 03:18.17 | useruser | !gamil |
| 03:18.22 | cdc | once i get that cleared. i am not gonna disturb u |
| 03:18.22 | useruser | oops |
| 03:18.31 | Jeremye77 | ya thats the one I was trying to remember |
| 03:18.31 | stoned | Wyzard, i'd rather do that myself too :) |
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| 03:18.46 | holo | hey |
| 03:18.48 | Wyzard | like provide DNS service for the house |
| 03:18.53 | stoned | yup |
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| 03:19.09 | Wyzard | and assign people fixed IPs based on MAC address |
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| 03:19.42 | stoned | like i said, i do have an msce(laugh) and about 5 years of nt networking exp(probably counts for shit) but i havn't gotten into linux networking yet, soon though, soon |
| 03:19.54 | Wyzard | TCP/IP is the same no matter what OS you use |
| 03:20.10 | stoned | yes, but im not familiar with iptables |
| 03:20.13 | Guerin | except that you're probably not going to be exposed to it on NT |
| 03:20.15 | zignig | stoned: mine sweeper certified engineer. |
| 03:20.24 | stoned | zignig, hehehehe |
| 03:20.33 | holo | how do i edit templates in a wysiwyg manner? it seems bluefish doesn't support that |
| 03:20.42 | Wyzard | You don't really need to do much with iptables to set up a Linux router... it's helpful to know, but it's like learning pencil-and-paper arithmetic before you start using a calculator for real work |
| 03:20.44 | holo | ham html templates |
| 03:20.47 | zinx | holo: what kind of templates? |
| 03:20.52 | FsckIt | stoned: I always get worried when people refer to 'Windows networking' and 'Linux networking' because the whole idea is that they are all supposed to talk to each other |
| 03:21.00 | zinx | hmm |
| 03:21.00 | holo | zinx, html templates |
| 03:21.02 | Wyzard | On a real router, you'd use something like ipmasq, FireHOL, or Shorewall, which writes the iptables rules for you |
| 03:21.06 | Guerin | holo: emacs /pathy/to/template.html |
| 03:21.12 | useruser | holo: what is an html template? |
| 03:21.14 | zinx | holo: "html templates" is not descriptive.. |
| 03:21.20 | stoned | FsckIt, i meant as in the specifics of not networking, but networking tools and thier usage knowhow |
| 03:21.33 | useruser | holo: are you thinking in terms of MS word? |
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| 03:21.45 | holo | zinx, sorry i am not experienced in web design but i'll try to me more explicit |
| 03:21.52 | zinx | holo: there are no less than 50 dozen completely different kinds of html templates |
| 03:21.59 | Mik0 | would i clean my laptop heatsink sufficiently if i just used the canned air and forced it from where the fan sucks in air and just blew it in there and it came out the heatsink? |
| 03:22.06 | holo | useruser, yep but not an ms product please :D |
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| 03:22.14 | useruser | holo: i dunno, tried openoffice? |
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| 03:22.22 | Iquitos | Mik0, never open a laptop |
| 03:22.26 | stoned | of networking is universal, yes, but not all tools are, mostly i've used gui idiot user programs for configuring netwokrking on nt machines, and now im goint to try and familiarize myself with linux networking tools, so i can efficeiently setup the networks i need to |
| 03:22.28 | zinx | holo: TAL (of Zope fame), for instance, it editable in just about any editor |
| 03:22.48 | Wyzard | stoned: See my comments above about not needing to acutally deal with iptables most of the time |
| 03:22.50 | holo | zinx, i mean i want to place frames and code be generated automatically, always seeing the result in every step |
| 03:22.52 | vhhkyrppp | stoned: Linux also has GUI idiot users programs if you want. |
| 03:22.53 | stoned | i did |
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| 03:23.06 | stoned | vhhkyrppp, i don't wanna be an idiot user anymore |
| 03:23.06 | Wyzard | stoned: And anyway, iptables isn't too difficult if you understand TCP/IP |
| 03:23.06 | Mik0 | Iquitos: why not |
| 03:23.07 | stoned | :) |
| 03:23.09 | zinx | holo: so you don't actually have a templating system set up, then? |
| 03:23.26 | FsckIt | stoned: can I suggest that you approach it from the other direction.. i.e. learn about TCP/IP itself, then apply that knowledge to learning the tool(s) at hand, as opposed to the reverse |
| 03:23.30 | stoned | Wyzard, not JUST ip tables, i meant other stuff too in general, but all in good time, all in good time |
| 03:23.43 | holo | zinx, ham no i don't have that |
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| 03:23.48 | holo | i think |
| 03:24.00 | stoned | FsckIt, I know quite a bit of tcp/ip yes, but not enough yet :) thanks for the tip |
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| 03:24.07 | zinx | holo: k, i'm not qualified to help you then.. i don't know a whole lot about what all is available :) |
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| 03:24.21 | Wyzard | hehe... not here yet |
| 03:24.23 | stoned | useruser, half the world |
| 03:24.24 | stoned | :) |
| 03:24.25 | vhhkyrppp | I'm sleepy. |
| 03:24.29 | holo | zinx, thanks anyway |
| 03:24.35 | zignig | useruser: midday sunday infact. |
| 03:24.58 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:25.00 | The_Ultimate_Sam | where do u find the code for the windows apearance? |
| 03:25.12 | holo | useruser, i didn't try it i'll check, seems that there is something like openoffice from template |
| 03:25.13 | Guerin | !nonsense The_Ultimate_Sam |
| 03:25.13 | stoned | The_Ultimate_Sam, apt-get install fvwm95 perhaps |
| 03:25.14 | dpkg | The_Ultimate_Sam: How have did the kernel cache to auto discovered the wifi thing !!!???? |
| 03:25.28 | useruser | heh |
| 03:25.28 | stoned | The_Ultimate_Sam, are you looking for a windows lookalike windowmanager? |
| 03:25.46 | Guerin | i think he's looking for the win2k source code which wwas leaked half a year ago |
| 03:25.58 | Guerin | so he can be a l33t h4xx0r |
| 03:26.00 | The_Ultimate_Sam | im actualy looking for the code xfree uses to make windows |
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| 03:26.14 | Guerin | xfree doesn't make windows |
| 03:26.18 | The_Ultimate_Sam | a window |
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| 03:26.23 | The_Ultimate_Sam | any window |
| 03:26.25 | stoned | The_Ultimate_Sam, that would be the Xwindow system source code |
| 03:26.27 | Guerin | xfree doesn't make a window |
| 03:26.30 | stoned | no? |
| 03:26.30 | Wyzard | The_Ultimate_Sam: xfree puts graphics on the screen, but has nothing to do with their appearance |
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| 03:26.47 | Guerin | stoned: there is no x window system source code |
| 03:26.49 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok kde |
| 03:26.53 | thoreauputic | The_Ultimate_Sam: that's the window manager's job :) |
| 03:26.54 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how about that |
| 03:26.58 | Guerin | The_Ultimate_Sam: the kwm source, then |
| 03:27.05 | Guerin | The_Ultimate_Sam: apt-get source kwm |
| 03:27.09 | stoned | Guerin, sources of all the packages combined to make xwindowsystem |
| 03:27.20 | Guerin | stoned: which packages are those, then? |
| 03:27.36 | calin | What do i need to get to be able to play ogm files? |
| 03:27.39 | Guerin | stoned: ignoring for a moment that packages are a distro invention... |
| 03:27.41 | stoned | i don't know, logically all packages have a source, and so would the xwindow system stuff |
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| 03:27.48 | Guerin | calin: mplayer will do it. |
| 03:27.52 | calin | thank you |
| 03:27.56 | stoned | oh true |
| 03:27.58 | Iquitos | Mik0, because if you do, 99% chance you have not the skills to a) open it without breaking plastic parts and b) put it back together correctluy |
| 03:28.10 | vhhkyrppp | stoned: www.xfree86.org or www.x.org |
| 03:28.12 | The_Ultimate_Sam | says it cant find source |
| 03:28.25 | Guerin | stoned: The_Ultimate_Sam add a source url to your sources.list |
| 03:28.31 | soften | I do pretty well at opening up laptops and working on them |
| 03:28.37 | stoned | have em :) |
| 03:28.49 | vhhkyrppp | stoned: Then you have the source. |
| 03:28.49 | The_Ultimate_Sam | shouldent the file be on my computer? |
| 03:28.53 | holo | useruser, thanks. its working as i wanted.. i opened the template with openoffice writer/web.. it didn't really crossed my mind, thank you |
| 03:28.53 | stoned | yup |
| 03:29.12 | Wyzard | The_Ultimate_Sam: Are you trying to *run* KDE, or get the source code and modify it or something? |
| 03:29.15 | vhhkyrppp | soften: I always lose the rubber thingies. |
| 03:29.18 | Iquitos | Mik0, use canned air... take out the parts that you can see... hard disk adn keyboard if it can come out easy... with those you can see enough |
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| 03:29.44 | Guerin | The_Ultimate_Sam: you are clearly too stupid to do what you're trying to do. |
| 03:29.45 | The_Ultimate_Sam | if its generating windows it should be a file on my computer |
| 03:29.48 | The_Ultimate_Sam | im trying to edit kde |
| 03:29.52 | Guerin | ..... |
| 03:29.53 | soften | I use pencil to mark on the case and parts where the screws and small parts came from, then keep them separate. I should probably also record what I take out in what order, but I usually just depend on memory for that |
| 03:29.59 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well at least read it |
| 03:30.00 | stoned | Guerin, lol |
| 03:30.11 | Guerin | The_Ultimate_Sam: do what I told you to. |
| 03:30.14 | useruser | holo: np |
| 03:30.20 | soften | heh "I'm trying to edit KDE" |
| 03:30.32 | Wyzard | The_Ultimate_Sam: The compiled program (what you're running that's actually displaying windows) is on your computer, but the source code (what you need to modify it) is installed separately |
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| 03:30.36 | stoned | thas intense work there |
| 03:30.36 | Mik0 | Iquitos: well yea..but is it enought just to blow it through the underside? |
| 03:30.38 | stoned | editing kde |
| 03:30.48 | Iquitos | Mik0 should be |
| 03:30.52 | vhhkyrppp | It's easy to edit "KDE". |
| 03:30.59 | RainbowW | k my dselect is busted. the initial help screen is garbage and i get an astoundingly short list of packages, all of which are installed. how to reset? |
| 03:31.00 | Iquitos | Mik0 what problem do you have? |
| 03:31.12 | soften | that's rather like stopping by any government office and trying to edit their code of laws |
| 03:31.16 | Guerin | <calc> bob2: gnome looked so much simpler to maintain than kde that it wasn't even funny ;) |
| 03:31.18 | Guerin | <calc> kde's a pita to maintain mainly because upstream is braindamaged |
| 03:31.21 | Mik0 | Iquitos: well no problem, but i just want to keep the heatsink clean thats all |
| 03:31.22 | The_Ultimate_Sam | ok what url do i need |
| 03:31.30 | Guerin | for those of you who know who calc is, that might be funny |
| 03:31.31 | Wyzard | The_Ultimate_Sam: If you're thinking of changing software as making edits, chances are good you're not a programmer |
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| 03:31.48 | stoned | i don't know calc, but its still pretty fuckin funny |
| 03:32.10 | Wyzard | The_Ultimate_Sam: Do you know C++? |
| 03:32.13 | vhhkyrppp | Wyzard: English might not be his first language too. |
| 03:32.16 | The_Ultimate_Sam | changing software, making edits, blowing up my computer its my choice as to what i do |
| 03:32.27 | Wyzard | vhhkyrppp: good point |
| 03:32.34 | The_Ultimate_Sam | either way i would like to at least read the code |
| 03:32.37 | Guerin | The_Ultimate_Sam: go on, then. Do it. If you can figure out how. |
| 03:32.51 | The_Ultimate_Sam | thats why i want to look at the code |
| 03:32.52 | vhhkyrppp | The_Ultimate_Same: The KDE codebase is huge. |
| 03:32.55 | Wyzard | The_Ultimate_Sam: If you ad a deb-src line to your sources-list you'll be able to "apt-get source" things |
| 03:32.57 | The_Ultimate_Sam | so i can figure out how |
| 03:33.00 | soften | the complete source code for KDE is at kde.org |
| 03:33.10 | vhhkyrppp | The_Ultimate_Sam: I would suggest you learn how to program with the QT API first. |
| 03:33.26 | vhhkyrppp | The_Ultimate: O'Reilly has a QT book IIRC. |
| 03:33.36 | vhhkyrppp | The_Ultimate: Then grab the source and chug along. |
| 03:33.44 | The_Ultimate_Sam | o? where is it |
| 03:33.46 | Guerin | The_Ultimate_Sam: my point is that being able to figure out how to figure out how is a necessary triage. If you can't, then you're not qualified to hack this piece of code. |
| 03:33.58 | Guerin | you have to be |<--->| this skilled to haxx0r kde |
| 03:34.08 | The_Ultimate_Sam | lol |
| 03:34.09 | Wyzard | whee, got a new hard drive for the server downstairs, off to install it |
| 03:34.16 | Guerin | (and |<------------>| this skilled to have ti work) |
| 03:34.21 | The_Ultimate_Sam | well i still like to look at the code |
| 03:34.24 | chalco | I'm only |<-->| skilled, darnit |
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| 03:34.34 | Guerin | The_Ultimate_Sam: nothing is stopping you |
| 03:34.38 | vhhkyrppp | The_Ultimate: All of it is at www.kde.org |
| 03:34.41 | soften | I don't even have room for the <, >, and - between the ||'s |
| 03:34.44 | Guerin | chalco: I'm only | skilled :( |
| 03:34.51 | chalco | heh |
| 03:35.01 | FsckIt | Guerin: helps to be |<--...-->| skilled |
| 03:35.06 | useruser | The_Ultimate_Sam: visit this web page, using a web browser: http://developer.kde.org/source/index.html |
| 03:35.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:35.09 | Guerin | true that |
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| 03:36.58 | splodge | anyone know how to start something like enemy territory in new xsession, like: startx et -- :1 |
| 03:37.03 | stoned | i can read and see my vfat parition/files/dirs in console, but nautilus displays the files/dirs but it keeps saying, attempt to login failed |
| 03:37.19 | stoned | when i try to double click in nautilus, on my vfat disks |
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| 03:38.12 | thoreauputic | splodge: you probably need the full path - like startx /usr/local/bin/et -- :1 or whatever |
| 03:38.15 | Seb | what's the app tells if DRI is loaded, with the wheels turning ? |
| 03:38.24 | useruser | glxgears |
| 03:38.27 | Seb | thx :) |
| 03:39.31 | deadcat | with the wheels? (= |
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| 03:40.36 | Seb | hey cut me some slack english ain't my native tongue ;) |
| 03:41.07 | splodge | thoreauputic, thanks, fragtastic! |
| 03:41.07 | deadcat | nah i am not making fun of you. (= |
| 03:41.16 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:41.26 | Seb | heh |
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| 03:41.30 | Seb | whatever :> |
| 03:41.33 | Guerin | O fragjous day! |
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| 03:44.40 | fatalerror | Hey all |
| 03:45.11 | kind | sorry |
| 03:45.12 | fatalerror | I'm trying to record the sound output of a programme... I'm using jackd to do it, and just need the programme to record the output |
| 03:45.16 | fatalerror | can anybody help? |
| 03:45.25 | Guerin | fatalerror: apt-get install sox; use rec |
| 03:45.41 | Seb | hmmm, so 2.6 sees SATA disks as SCSI, and I can't set DMA on those ? |
| 03:45.48 | Seb | is it like not necessary ? |
| 03:45.50 | FsckIt | fatalerror: what was the problem? |
| 03:46.18 | Seb | quiet channel tonight :) |
| 03:46.18 | fatalerror | FsckIt, I just don't know what programme to use to record the output |
| 03:46.31 | Seb | fatalerror: what Guerin said |
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| 03:47.21 | Guerin | if the program whose ouput you're recording can output to stdout, just redirect to a file instead of an audio device |
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| 03:47.53 | fatalerror | Guerin, it can't |
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| 03:48.05 | fatalerror | that's why I'm using jackd to redirect it |
| 03:48.09 | Guerin | fatalerror: not surprising, I guess. |
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| 03:48.11 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:48.31 | xoutsiderx | hiall |
| 03:48.36 | fatalerror | so, does rec support this? |
| 03:48.45 | fatalerror | I mean, getting the input from jackd? |
| 03:48.57 | useruser | fatalerror: which program's output do you want to record? |
| 03:49.13 | fatalerror | probably xmms |
| 03:49.23 | Guerin | why xmms? |
| 03:49.27 | fatalerror | but would be nice to know how to do it for any software which supports jackd |
| 03:49.41 | fatalerror | Guerin, because that's what I'm using to receive the stream I want to record |
| 03:49.44 | useruser | fatalerror: consider mplayer -dumpstream as an alternative |
| 03:49.58 | Guerin | fatalerror: why are you using xmms? use a cli client which can output to stdout |
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| 03:50.25 | Guerin | fatalerror: like mpg321/123, madplay, mplayer, music123,, or practically anything else |
| 03:50.25 | fatalerror | what I want to do is doable |
| 03:50.34 | fatalerror | I just don't remember what software I have used |
| 03:50.38 | Guerin | fatalerror: there's a hard way to do anything, yeah. |
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| 03:50.50 | ChrysalisM | xmms has a diskwrite output plugin anyways |
| 03:50.59 | fatalerror | actually, using anything other than xmms would be harder for what I want to do |
| 03:51.10 | Guerin | yeah, mp3 streams can be dumped straight to disk |
| 03:51.15 | Guerin | fatalerror: I doubt that. |
| 03:52.11 | Guerin | xmms, while being awesome in that it plays virtually any file format, introduces several layers of unnecessary complexity |
| 03:52.13 | useruser | fatalerror: there's a debian package which you can apparently use to redirect /dev/dsp somewehre else |
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| 03:52.25 | Captain_N | Pardon the OT question here, but does anyone know where I can find some info on good/common algorithms for delivering data to the right buffer given source and destination IPs and ports? I'm trying to write a stateful inspection program and can't find anything relevant. |
| 03:52.53 | toresbe | mplayer has all the file format support of xmms, and more, and it's also very very stable and fast |
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| 03:53.10 | useruser | s/very stable/doesn't crash more than once an hour/ |
| 03:53.15 | xoutsiderx | anyone here knows good eshop with mobile phones with good prizes ? |
| 03:53.21 | xoutsiderx | please |
| 03:53.23 | Guerin | toresbe: it's MUCH slower than xmms |
| 03:53.32 | WiFiTux | xoutsiderx, ebay |
| 03:53.54 | xoutsiderx | WiFiTux, bad experiences..:/ |
| 03:54.01 | Guerin | toresbe: I even built mplayer from source, it seems to have sped it up a bit, but not enough |
| 03:54.05 | xoutsiderx | but thanx |
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| 03:54.13 | node_3667 | hi |
| 03:54.20 | node_3667 | i'm looking at purity-off |
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| 03:54.31 | node_3667 | english is not my mother tongue |
| 03:54.42 | node_3667 | what means "MOS" ? |
| 03:54.47 | WiFiTux | mother tongue |
| 03:54.49 | qumaxysss | Guerin: Define slow for a media player. |
| 03:54.50 | xoutsiderx | node_3667, and what is ur mother lang? |
| 03:54.53 | Guerin | node_3667: context? |
| 03:54.53 | WiFiTux | !mos |
| 03:55.01 | node_3667 | "kissed an MOS?" |
| 03:55.10 | Guerin | qumaxysss: uses more cpu time than other players playing the same format |
| 03:55.25 | Guerin | node_3667: member of the opposite sex, I'd guess |
| 03:55.27 | FsckIt | node_3667: Member of the Opposite Sex |
| 03:55.29 | node_3667 | aaaahh |
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| 03:55.34 | node_3667 | that's it. |
| 03:55.35 | node_3667 | thans. |
| 03:55.37 | node_3667 | thanks. |
| 03:55.40 | FsckIt | as opposed to MSS.. Member of the Same Sex |
| 03:55.42 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 03:55.54 | usuario | what's a good protocol + program I can send files to my friend directly ? |
| 03:56.01 | holo | guys, are you still using gaim? i sick of those switchboard errors that prevent me from sending some messages.. i moved to amsn but it doesn't have dialog tabs |
| 03:56.05 | node_3667 | usuario: mail ? |
| 03:56.12 | Guerin | qumaxysss: bear in mind that I'm talking about a p2-233 here... it might well be a negligible difference on a faster system. |
| 03:56.20 | Guerin | usuario: what kind of files? |
| 03:56.24 | petteyg359 | I have just compiled a small 2.6.9 kernel, with minimal support in order to boot my sytem. If I copy it to a disk, can I boot from that disk? |
| 03:56.26 | usuario | node_3667: big files |
| 03:56.30 | qumaxysss | Guerin: I was about to say. I don't see any difference. |
| 03:56.34 | Guerin | usuario: how big is big? |
| 03:56.37 | usuario | Guerin: 700mb |
| 03:56.37 | node_3667 | usuario: you mean, 1T ? |
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| 03:56.46 | WiFiTux | Guerin, can you use xmms but only text based? I know you can change the songs with the terminal |
| 03:56.47 | qumaxysss | pettey: Yes. |
| 03:56.50 | Guerin | usuario: run a http or ftpd on your machine. |
| 03:56.52 | node_3667 | cd + real life mail ;-) |
| 03:57.07 | Guerin | WiFiTux: it still needs an X server to run on. I use cplay. |
| 03:57.09 | qumaxysss | Wifi: xmms has an API for control. |
| 03:57.23 | WiFiTux | qumaxysss, ahh nice. |
| 03:57.30 | WiFiTux | I use mp3blaster |
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| 03:57.42 | Guerin | WiFiTux: fine if you only play mp3 |
| 03:57.51 | holo | WiFiTux, you have mp3blaster, it supports playlist edition |
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| 03:57.58 | WiFiTux | Guerin, yes, can you play video in the tty? :/ |
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| 03:58.13 | WiFiTux | holo, I think so. |
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| 03:58.40 | Guerin | WiFiTux: yes. And I also play a lot of ogg, flac, shn, mpc, m4a, wma, mpg and ape |
| 03:59.06 | holo | WiFiTux, i played video in tty once with directfb, but when i exited from it the system hanged for 5-10 minutes *everytime* |
| 03:59.17 | Guerin | WiFiTux: cplay can handle them all |
| 03:59.18 | WiFiTux | cool, I didn't know you could run video in a Console. |
| 03:59.18 | useruser | fatalerror: found it at last. maybe vsound is the answer? |
| 03:59.34 | fatalerror | useruser, does it support jackd? |
| 03:59.34 | fatalerror | heh |
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| 03:59.38 | Guerin | mplayer -vo vesa # only works as root |
| 04:00.21 | holo | WiFiTux, theorically you can :S |
| 04:00.49 | useruser | fatalerror: i think it's meant to replace it in your setup |
| 04:00.49 | Guerin | or mplayer -vo fbdev # if you have a framebuffer |
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| 04:01.20 | WiFiTux | shit |
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| 04:01.25 | chalco | whoa |
| 04:01.25 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 04:01.25 | WiFiTux | super split |
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