| 00:00.00 | justdust | what is tha ascii code for a 'tab' ? |
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| 00:00.10 | greylion | [GR]Hellblade: drsync probably does what you want |
| 00:00.10 | cafuego | scribus done poo |
| 00:00.33 | ptr-x | justdust, www.asciitable.com |
| 00:00.39 | cafuego | elephant: If the ftp server allws it, you can run server-site commands with SITE QUOTE |
| 00:00.39 | justdust | thc |
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| 00:02.09 | justdust | ptr-x: horizontal or vertical , |
| 00:02.11 | justdust | ? |
| 00:02.33 | idnar | justdust: "tab" with no qualifier normally refers to a horizontal tab |
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| 00:02.47 | ptr-x | is there a vertical one? =) |
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| 00:03.03 | clojster | hi |
| 00:03.11 | justdust | thx |
| 00:03.28 | clojster | who can help me with settings of proftpd? |
| 00:03.31 | kingtrae1 | hey, anybody know how to get apache to follow symlinks? |
| 00:03.35 | idnar | ptl_: 0x0b is vertical tab |
| 00:03.41 | clojster | Sarge here |
| 00:03.45 | idnar | er |
| 00:03.52 | idnar | ptr-x, except he vanished unexpectedly |
| 00:04.05 | KiwiNZ | hey I just upgraded to kde 3.3 and when I try to login kdmgreet crashes... any ideas? I have to start with "startx" from a command line |
| 00:04.14 | KiwiNZ | clojster, what do you need to know? |
| 00:04.18 | asdjk | kingtrae1: Options FollowSymLinks |
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| 00:04.27 | asdjk | kingtrae1: in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 00:05.22 | clojster | KiwiNZ: i have installed webmin-proftpd and I don't know how to use it... is there some GUI for proftpd on Sarge? |
| 00:05.41 | KiwiNZ | yeah I think gproftpd |
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| 00:06.03 | clojster | in /testing? |
| 00:06.03 | Vegar | Should I use 4Kb for kernel stacks on a 150MHz intel? |
| 00:06.13 | kingtrae1 | asdjkk thanks |
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| 00:06.55 | pzin | when building from source debian/rules should output .debs, right? |
| 00:06.55 | KiwiNZ | um actually im not sure where it is, I normally use fedora which has a package gproftpd |
| 00:07.23 | distempr | after checking for man pages for dhcp-client I cannot find where I would run a command after a new lease. Anyone have a pointer or two on this? |
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| 00:08.03 | kingtrae1 | asdjk: I'm rockin apache2, don't think that works, or does it? |
| 00:08.05 | emes | i've downloaded cko sources and set up vesafb-tng, but when i boot i don't get any framebuffer :( |
| 00:08.18 | pzin | I'm building net-snmp from source on sarge, debian/rules gives no error messages and no packages, anyone familiar with this |
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| 00:08.33 | KiwiNZ | anyone know why kdm is crashing when I try to login after I upgraded to kde 3.3? |
| 00:08.41 | emes | pass video=vesafb:1024x168@60 to the kernel |
| 00:08.45 | emes | *i pass |
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| 00:08.52 | KiwiNZ | sorry kdmgreet? |
| 00:08.53 | kingtrae1 | asdjk:I noticed you said /etc/apache/ you're running 1.3? |
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| 00:09.36 | [GR]Hellblade | diff output: "Only in 2: aaa" can I make it output just "aaa" |
| 00:10.16 | KiwiNZ | anyone? |
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| 00:10.41 | Wyzard | [GR]Hellblade: If you're trying to compare two directory trees to see what files have been added, you could do a "ls -R" on each tree and feed the results into "comm" with columns 1 and 3 suppressed |
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| 00:11.26 | es | Greetings, is it possible in some way to have mysql 4.1.x on sarge? And if not is possible to move to sid for "testing" and then back to sarge? |
| 00:11.30 | cafuego | KiwiNZ: KDE is broken? |
| 00:11.54 | KiwiNZ | cafuego: no i can still boot into it with "startx" |
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| 00:12.04 | cafuego | By design, I mean. |
| 00:12.13 | Karhuton | libhal.c 2213 : Error sending msg: Service "org.freedesktop.Hal" does not exist |
| 00:12.14 | asdjk | kingtrae1: yeah, sorry |
| 00:12.16 | Vegar | es: You can install packages from sid in sarge, but it's not recommended. |
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| 00:12.26 | KiwiNZ | but kdmgreet crashes everytime i try to login graphically |
| 00:12.27 | cafuego | Is just the graphicla greeter broken or the text one too? |
| 00:12.32 | pzin | maybe the solution is laying off on the .deb fanitiscm and punching enter on make |
| 00:12.40 | jjazz | has anybody here used the onshore-timesheet package? Google doesn't seem to have much in the way of details and the website is gone. Is it still active? Is it mature? Do you like it, etc. |
| 00:12.43 | cafuego | KiwiNZ: Did you allow kdm to update kdmrc? |
| 00:12.51 | es | Vegar can u expand the "not recomended" what that implies |
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| 00:12.54 | Karhuton | I get that error on many Gnome apps I use. |
| 00:13.06 | KiwiNZ | cafuego, no I just run an apt-get install kde-base |
| 00:13.19 | jaldhar | Anyone here from Boston or environs? |
| 00:13.20 | KiwiNZ | im a n00b if you hadn't already guess |
| 00:13.21 | es | KiwiNZ: you probably just have a wrong xorg.conf |
| 00:13.28 | stew | !n00b |
| 00:13.28 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 00:13.36 | cafuego | KiwiNZ: Did you previously have kde 3.2 installed? |
| 00:13.44 | KiwiNZ | cafuego: yes |
| 00:13.49 | KiwiNZ | dpkg: thanks a lot |
| 00:13.49 | dpkg | KiwiNZ: my pleasure |
| 00:13.58 | es | heh |
| 00:14.10 | cafuego | KiwiNZ: Try renaming /etc/kde3/kdmrc to something else. |
| 00:14.28 | KiwiNZ | cafuego: ok I'll try that |
| 00:14.30 | [GR]Hellblade | Wyzard: I just want to remove all files that are in dir1 but not in dir2, using one command if possible. I want to put this in a cron job. |
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| 00:14.56 | es | KiwiNZ: check the date of /etc/X11/xorg.conf (it should be there I forgot) |
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| 00:15.10 | cafuego | Karhuton: if you're using xorg and not xfree86, you should take that problem somewhere else. |
| 00:15.20 | es | Vegar: what does it mean is not recomended ? |
| 00:15.24 | Karhuton | cafuego: I'm using Debian Sarge. |
| 00:15.39 | cafuego | Karhuton: Odd then. How did you install gnome? |
| 00:15.49 | KiwiNZ | cafuego: I cant find a kdmrc |
| 00:15.53 | Karhuton | cafuego: apt-get update :-) |
| 00:15.58 | Karhuton | *dist-upgrade |
| 00:16.16 | Karhuton | This started to appear when I upgraded to 2.8 that just came in. |
| 00:16.17 | cafuego | KiwiNZ: There is one, somewhere in there. 'find /etc -name kdmrc' |
| 00:16.22 | [GR]Hellblade | KiwiNZ: locate kdmrc |
| 00:16.38 | Karhuton | cafuego: I don't remember how I originally installed gnome. I might be missing some big meta packages. |
| 00:16.47 | cafuego | Karhuton: Maybe not all of 2.8 is in yet and you've got some incompatibilities. |
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| 00:17.08 | kingtrae1 | hey, anybody know how to get apache2 to follow symlinks? |
| 00:17.12 | Karhuton | cafuego: Maybe. Just thought about asking here. |
| 00:17.14 | simonrvn | that's likely |
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| 00:17.27 | Karhuton | kingtrae1: Stick + carrot. |
| 00:17.35 | simonrvn | kingtrae1: apt-get install apache2-doc |
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| 00:17.51 | simonrvn | then start reading |
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| 00:18.06 | p8m | hey |
| 00:18.06 | cafuego | Karhuton: grep FollowSymLinks /usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/* |
| 00:18.07 | Wyzard | [GR]Hellblade: So use "ls -R" and "comm" to get the list, and pipe it into "xargs rm" |
| 00:18.26 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.44 | Karhuton | cafuego: What's the gnome meta package I should be having? |
| 00:18.57 | cafuego | Karhuton: 'gnome-session' at a minimum. |
| 00:18.59 | Karhuton | cafuego: I don't want the full bang. Just the required stuff. |
| 00:19.12 | Karhuton | gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 00:19.21 | p8m | Is there any way to get a java-vm for debian-ppc? |
| 00:19.22 | KiwiNZ | cafuego: i've found the file and renamed it... |
| 00:19.23 | stew | Karhuton: thats pulls in a lot |
| 00:19.34 | [GR]Hellblade | sorry but me=newb. thanx for the link |
| 00:19.35 | cafuego | p8m: Yes, but it doesn't have a browser plugin. |
| 00:19.38 | KiwiNZ | i take it I should restart |
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| 00:19.49 | cafuego | KiwiNZ: Just restart kdm |
| 00:19.54 | p8m | cafuego: ok, thanks |
| 00:20.01 | simonrvn | kingtrae1: restart what? |
| 00:20.05 | simonrvn | kingtrae1: sorry |
| 00:20.07 | KiwiNZ | cafuego: as in logout? |
| 00:20.15 | KiwiNZ | and log back in again |
| 00:20.15 | cafuego | KiwiNZ: yep |
| 00:20.19 | kingtrae1 | simonrvn: it's not in the apache.conf anymore |
| 00:20.19 | green_earz | [GR]Hellblade: sarge or woody ? |
| 00:20.27 | KiwiNZ | cafuego: cheers, I'll try that. thanks man |
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| 00:20.45 | simonrvn | kingtrae1: i mis-fired my tab completion wasn't meant for oyu |
| 00:20.48 | kingtrae1 | simonrvn: I don't quite understand the modularization of the file yet |
| 00:20.52 | cafuego | KiwiNZ: If that doesn't work, flip to the console (ctrl-alt-f1), login as root; run /etc/init.d/kdm restart; logout and flip to ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 00:20.59 | KiwiNZ | ok |
| 00:21.06 | simonrvn | kingtrae1: what file? |
| 00:21.23 | Karhuton | cafuego: I have everything else gnome-desktop-environment wants, except mozilla, portmap, epiphany and fam. |
| 00:21.25 | kingtrae1 | simonrvn: apache.conf with apache2 |
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| 00:21.35 | simonrvn | kingtrae1: apache2.conf for starters, second, set it up within your vhost confs |
| 00:21.57 | Karhuton | cafuego: So I guess the problem is with the packages. I'll just wait till all the gnome packages get upgraded. |
| 00:22.23 | simonrvn | anyway, i have stuff to do |
| 00:22.27 | cafuego | p8m: You'll find it on the IBM website; I'm pretty sure simonrvn can paste you a url for it. |
| 00:22.37 | cafuego | Karhuton: wise move :-) |
| 00:22.43 | kingtrae1 | simonrvn: actually I was talking about httpd.conf, I mistyped |
| 00:22.46 | greylion | [GR]Hellblade: did you check out drsync? |
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| 00:23.26 | kingtrae1 | simonrvn: I was following the directions in a mailinglist, but I think he might of mistyped too. |
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| 00:23.49 | budluva | do i have to allow port 22 udp if i want to port forward 22 to inside my local machine on port 22? ie eth1>22>192.168.1.2:22 |
| 00:24.04 | kingtrae1 | simonrvn: Options FollowSymlinks goes in httpd.conf or apache2.conf? |
| 00:24.07 | Karhuton | cafuego: Well now you can tell that to everyone else who will come here complaining about this weird error. |
| 00:24.11 | cafuego | budluva: for ssh? No, only tcp is fine. |
| 00:24.40 | cafuego | Karhuton: "wait until the error goes away" isn't normally what people want to hear, so they satrt shouting abuse. |
| 00:24.49 | CrusadingKNIGHT | eternallands |
| 00:24.55 | CrusadingKNIGHT | oops, apologies |
| 00:24.56 | [GR]Hellblade | greylion: sarge 'n going to look at drsync. |
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| 00:25.40 | bztunk | !nickometer [GR]Hellblade |
| 00:25.40 | dpkg | '[GR]Hellblade' is 64.000% lame, bztunk |
| 00:26.03 | budluva | cafuego, what do i need open for udp ports? |
| 00:26.08 | [GR]Hellblade | bztunk: what does this mean?:P |
| 00:26.10 | Guerin | dpkg: lame-o-tron is fucked |
| 00:26.11 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 00:26.13 | Karhuton | cafuego: I'd just tell 'em, that it's a new feature that will make gnome 50% faster, which unfortunately isn't fully implemented in the debian packages yet. And suggest that, if they'd build gnome 'emselves, they could get it to work. |
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| 00:26.32 | budluva | cafuego, is there anyway to tell what udp ports i have open right now? and i can decide if i want them open or not |
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| 00:26.34 | Guerin | Karhuton: you are moron #0 |
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| 00:26.49 | bztunk | [GR]Hellblade: nothing |
| 00:26.50 | Karhuton | cafuego: That oughta keep 'em busy until it gets updated ;-) |
| 00:27.00 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: heh |
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| 00:27.28 | KiwiNZ | cafuego: no luck |
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| 00:27.53 | FieldySnuts | @lart gnome |
| 00:28.01 | Karhuton | Guerin: Gee, thanks. U make me feel warm inside. |
| 00:28.05 | bztunk | !u |
| 00:28.05 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:28.22 | bztunk | u is dutch for you? |
| 00:28.37 | Guerin | budluva: you've been told a zillion times how to check for open ports. Netstat and nmap. |
| 00:28.37 | stew | bztunk: debian-nl is for dutch :) |
| 00:28.55 | Guerin | bztunk: no, it's moronese for 'you'. |
| 00:29.05 | bztunk | Guerin: haha |
| 00:29.24 | FieldySnuts | oh god how lame, userfriendly.org made me view an ad for 30 seconds before showing the cartoon |
| 00:29.30 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:29.31 | FieldySnuts | keep that up and watch them go away |
| 00:29.44 | stew | Guerin: we should just redirect them to #debian-moron or #debian-mo maybe |
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| 00:29.51 | FieldySnuts | worse yet it had the UF characters in it |
| 00:29.53 | emes | where's the option to set how long before recordings expire? |
| 00:29.56 | AngelGabriel | is it possible for me to add a USB mouse while X is still runnin, and activate it without having to restart? |
| 00:30.14 | Guerin | emes: in /etc/recordings.conf |
| 00:30.21 | Guerin | naturally |
| 00:30.24 | FieldySnuts | you don't |
| 00:30.28 | budluva | Guerin, everytime i've asked i've been in the middle of something and missed what the reply was |
| 00:30.32 | budluva | Guerin, sorry |
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| 00:30.39 | emes | AngelGabriel: if your mouse is set to /dev/input/mice it should work |
| 00:30.55 | Guerin | emes: what recordings, under what circumstances, where, huh? |
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| 00:31.02 | stew | budluva: /lastlog budlova would tell you |
| 00:31.30 | budluva | oh ok |
| 00:31.42 | stew | i'm guessing emes thought he was typing into the #mythtv-users channel |
| 00:32.00 | emes | oops |
| 00:32.03 | emes | :) |
| 00:32.09 | KiwiNZ | Cafeugo: none of that worked unfortunately |
| 00:32.19 | KiwiNZ | Cafuego: any more ideas? |
| 00:32.27 | budluva | anyway, i've scanned my system for udp ports, only 1 comes up, port 68 which is open|filtered dhcpclient, so i take it i need this open, but what is it filtered from? |
| 00:32.45 | emes | i was wondering why someone was asking about plugging in a mouse :) |
| 00:32.47 | Guerin | budluva: either your firewall or your isp or something else |
| 00:33.07 | Guerin | budluva: filtered = iptables DROP |
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| 00:33.16 | budluva | ok |
| 00:33.17 | AngelGabriel | emes, You mean, just plug it in, and it works |
| 00:33.45 | emes | AngelGabriel: yeah, see what happens |
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| 00:34.01 | emes | i can switch usb mice while running X |
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| 00:34.22 | trueno | Is there a way to see the messages displayed at startup? dmesg show just some of them |
| 00:34.29 | FieldySnuts | i thought he meant edit the config from a ps2 to a usb mouse without restarting (wrong) |
| 00:34.33 | stoned | hi |
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| 00:34.37 | AngelGabriel | emes, it's already plugged in, and no joy |
| 00:34.58 | budluva | Guerin, dhcpclient thats running on udp 68, that should only be run on the gateway box, as the machines within the localnetwork dont need dhcp, correct? |
| 00:35.13 | Guerin | budluva: you tell me |
| 00:35.32 | Guerin | budluva: I don't know how your network is set up |
| 00:35.52 | emes | AngelGabriel: then you're out of luck |
| 00:35.53 | stoned | I have a BitchX process listed, pid 6572, a day old im guessing, and im upto pids 15,000, I bitchx isn't running for any user, whats going on? How,why does this happen? |
| 00:35.59 | unstable_help | -- |
| 00:36.10 | budluva | well when i try and nmap -sU debmachine it just hangs, and i tried a udp scan on my xp machine too, just hangs, so im guessing there is no open udp ports on these machines |
| 00:36.13 | Guerin | stoned: sometimes a process doesn't die completely. |
| 00:36.22 | budluva | only udp 68 open on gateway for dhcpclient |
| 00:36.30 | Guerin | budluva: don't guess; it shouldn't hang. |
| 00:36.41 | stoned | Guerin, simple kill or do i need to use a certian signal? |
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| 00:37.22 | budluva | Guerin, well really those two machines shouldnt have dhcpclient as they gateway is the machine that deals with dhcp and the addresses correct? |
| 00:37.23 | Guerin | budluva: it might just take a while with no output, especially because windows braindead moron firewall drops almost all inbound by default |
| 00:37.33 | bztunk | budluva: maybe it isn't hang, just working |
| 00:37.45 | Guerin | budluva: if they're static ips, then I guess so. |
| 00:37.50 | budluva | bztunk, i dunno, but it takes a while |
| 00:38.06 | KiwiNZ | hey, if im running kde 3.3, should the version of kdm installed also be 3.3.1 |
| 00:38.10 | Guerin | stoned: kill -9 might kill it; if not, check man ps for details on the state of that process |
| 00:38.11 | Wyzard | budluva: The "-v" option might help |
| 00:38.17 | KiwiNZ | as synaptic shows kdm as 3.2.3-1 |
| 00:38.22 | budluva | Guerin, ya, they are local machines ie 192.168.1.2 and 192.168.0.2 so they shouldnt need dhcp |
| 00:38.52 | mozrat | guys, I have a problem with camserv..... I'm trying to use [video_v4l_qcam] and I keep getting the error '(V4L) Video IOCTL: No such file or directory' |
| 00:39.10 | bztunk | budluva: happens |
| 00:39.11 | mozrat | in fact it's the same with [video_v4l_bttv] |
| 00:39.32 | mozrat | the object file referenced in /etc/camserv/camserv.cfg exists |
| 00:39.36 | budluva | UDP Scan Timing: About 3.20% done; ETC: 11:04 (0:15:32 remaining) |
| 00:39.36 | budluva | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.51 | bztunk | budluva: could be, yes |
| 00:40.01 | KiwiNZ | any ideas |
| 00:40.02 | Wyzard | 65536 ports is a lot of ports |
| 00:40.10 | Guerin | budluva: 64k ports * normal timeout |
| 00:40.35 | budluva | well how come my regular nmap hostname scan for tcp ports only takes seconds? |
| 00:40.35 | Karhuton | Is he scanning a B-class network? |
| 00:40.43 | Karhuton | I mean, address space or something. |
| 00:40.49 | budluva | Karhuton, yes, scanning a local 192.168.1.2 |
| 00:40.55 | budluva | err |
| 00:41.00 | budluva | if thats b-class or not i dont know |
| 00:41.07 | bztunk | budluva: That's not b, it's c class :) |
| 00:41.25 | Karhuton | budluva, it means: 192.168.*.* |
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| 00:41.34 | colter | I installed Sarge on my notebook, and I'm adding packaged step-by-step to get familiar. Is there a way to auto-mount an .iso image located on the HD? I'd like to use my DVD drive for something else. |
| 00:41.41 | Guerin | budluva: there's those vq10g errors again |
| 00:41.41 | colter | packages* |
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| 00:41.55 | budluva | Guerin, what user error? |
| 00:41.57 | Wyzard | Classes are obsolete anyway... why not just write 192.168.0.0/16 or 192.168.0.0/24 ? :-) |
| 00:42.10 | Guerin | colter: man mount; look at loop |
| 00:42.40 | Guerin | budluva: it's doing what you're telling it to do. scanning one host is different to scanning an entire mask |
| 00:42.44 | Karhuton | Wyzard: I'm not very familiar with the /n way of expressing it. |
| 00:42.58 | Wyzard | Karhuton: 'n' is just the number of 1s in the netmask |
| 00:43.02 | Karhuton | Wyzard: And "C-class network" is very enterprisey :-> |
| 00:43.11 | colter | Guerin: Thanks for the hint; seems to be what I wanted |
| 00:43.28 | stew | Karhuton: 192.168.*.* is technically 255 class C networks, a class b would have a first number betw 128 and 191 but that all doens't matter anymore |
| 00:43.39 | Karhuton | Wyzard: Oh, yeah, cool, binaries. That are so easy to work with :-) |
| 00:43.50 | zane | i have a dual boot computer with xp and debian.. but now i cant get into debian since reinstalling xp.. i guess it erased the mbr... how can i get into debian? please suggest |
| 00:44.25 | bztunk | zane: boot debian cd, when prompted for kernel, type rescue /dev/hdX |
| 00:44.48 | bztunk | zane: X as in the root linux partition |
| 00:45.16 | bztunk | zane: when you finish booting, re-run lilo or grub-install |
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| 00:45.22 | zane | bztunk: will netinstall cd work? |
| 00:45.29 | bztunk | zane: yes |
| 00:45.54 | solar_ | i have a problem |
| 00:46.02 | bztunk | solar_: oh rly? |
| 00:46.09 | budluva | Guerin, im not telling it scan an entire mask, just 192.168.1.2 |
| 00:46.10 | solar_ | i installed debai n sarge |
| 00:46.32 | solar_ | the pblm is that i cannot connect to net |
| 00:46.44 | solar_ | when i dial using kppp |
| 00:47.00 | solar_ | the pppd gets disconnected |
| 00:47.02 | zane | bztubk: is it possible to copy grub on a floppy so that it doesnt get erased? |
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| 00:47.06 | Karhuton | Pblm? :-D |
| 00:47.23 | bztunk | zane: you mean like, using a boot disk? |
| 00:47.28 | solar_ | and i loose connection |
| 00:47.30 | simonrvn | solar_: adduser $luser dip. log out completely, log back in |
| 00:47.31 | zane | ya |
| 00:47.56 | bztunk | zane: then yes, of course |
| 00:47.57 | solar_ | one more help pls |
| 00:48.07 | simonrvn | solar_: that could be your isp too you know |
| 00:48.08 | bztunk | simonrvn: not sure he knows what $luser will be |
| 00:48.14 | solar_ | i'm right now sitting in knoppix in same machine |
| 00:48.19 | Karhuton | zane: Can't you use the netinstall CD as a "boot disk"? |
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| 00:48.34 | solar_ | can i update this knoppix with same debian sarge and how |
| 00:48.53 | Wyzard | solar_: Ask in #knoppix -- they're the ones who'd know |
| 00:48.54 | simonrvn | no |
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| 00:49.08 | Wyzard | solar_: We don't keep track of what works and doesn't work in Knoppix |
| 00:49.10 | zane | karhurton: this is what i am trying to do.. but it takes me straight to language selection and i see no option to boot the present debian |
| 00:49.34 | solar_ | okok |
| 00:49.35 | Karhuton | zane: You don't have a "boot:" prompt at all? |
| 00:49.47 | takatumi | zane: hit Alt-F2 |
| 00:49.47 | nvz | where could I easily test my upload speed right now? everyone on my network is complaining of slow speeds and I just do not see it, I just d/l 45mb kernel source in under 2 1/2 minutes.. thats avrage 280kb/s down and our max is 384kb/s |
| 00:49.48 | bztunk | zane: I don't use the nestinst everyday, but there should be a boot: prompt |
| 00:50.18 | solar_ | can simon pls explain me how this adding of $luser helps |
| 00:50.18 | bztunk | nvz: welcome to #debian |
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| 00:50.34 | solar_ | just in case if some friend asks/ |
| 00:50.37 | nvz | !seen nvz? |
| 00:50.38 | dpkg | nvz is currently on #debian (7h 34m 46s). Has said a total of 15810 messages. Is idling for 1s |
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| 00:50.43 | Wyzard | nvz: You're talking about download speed, but you asked about measuring upload speed... which direction is supposedly slow? |
| 00:50.59 | Karhuton | !seen Karhuton? |
| 00:50.59 | dpkg | karhuton is currently on #debian (7h 46m 55s). Has said a total of 946 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 00:50.59 | bztunk | solar_: $luser is a variable dude |
| 00:51.13 | Karhuton | 15k messages, nvz :-D |
| 00:51.20 | AngelGabriel | !seen AngelGabriel |
| 00:51.20 | dpkg | angelgabriel is currently on #debian (43m 45s). Has said a total of 475 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 00:51.22 | nvz | Wyzard: they dont know wtf they are talking about... but they are mostly complaining about web surfing, particuarly like uploading photos to ebay or submitting online forms |
| 00:51.59 | bztunk | nvz: why don't you like, upload stuff yourself |
| 00:52.02 | solar_ | so adduser $luser dip does something in the os, what can it be? |
| 00:52.19 | conna | hmm this should be fun putting debian on a 75mhz with 8mb ram and 600mb hdd laptop with only a floppy drive |
| 00:52.23 | dvs | solar_: adduser `whoami` dip |
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| 00:52.31 | nvz | bztunk: well I am on console, and dont readily have an ftp site I can just upload to.. its easy to goto kernel.org or somewhere and d/l |
| 00:52.37 | zane | bztunk: when i enter "rescue /dev/hda3" it says could not find kernel image :-( |
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| 00:53.27 | trueno | Is there a way to see _all_ the messages displayed at startup? dmesg show just some of them and shift-up does not work |
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| 00:53.45 | p8m | more dmesg |
| 00:53.50 | bztunk | zane: hum, last time i tried, rescue worked... i don't know what to say now. |
| 00:54.05 | solar_ | in fact i could not run kppp at all, so i did a chmod 777 on kppp and made it running for an ordinary user |
| 00:54.24 | conna | dmesg | less |
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| 00:54.56 | zane | maybe i am just am entering the wrong partition.. dunno if its hda or hdb |
| 00:55.07 | Karhuton | zane: Haha. |
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| 00:55.24 | solar_ | hello dvs can you help me out |
| 00:55.31 | bztunk | zane: nah... that would be another error message |
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| 00:55.44 | solar_ | i want some light into how things work |
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| 00:56.04 | bztunk | zane: i don't remember is tab-complete works in the boot prompt... or maybe there is some help |
| 00:56.08 | k-man | is there an open source alternative to google desktop search? |
| 00:56.15 | Karhuton | zane: You oughta learn to be specific on stuff related to your linux system... |
| 00:56.19 | thorie | can someone help me with mrtg? i can't figure out what a "community string" is |
| 00:56.37 | zane | i see.. i used to have suse and i kept my lilo on floppy..may be i should reinstall this thing again and save lilo to a floppy.. |
| 00:56.47 | zane | lol |
| 00:56.54 | AngelGabriel | Are there any applications that allow me to use the infa red port of my laptop, as a remote control? |
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| 00:57.14 | bztunk | k-man: I never used google desktop search, but I guess beagle is what you're looking for. |
| 00:57.14 | dvs | solar_: Can't help you. I use a router to connect to the internet. |
| 00:57.19 | stew | AngelGabriel: nope |
| 00:57.25 | k-man | beagle? hmm |
| 00:57.28 | k-man | thanks bztunk |
| 00:57.36 | stew | AngelGabriel: the hardware is not capable |
| 00:57.41 | solar_ | so yu have no idea regarding pppd /kppp? |
| 00:57.55 | bztunk | zane: that's a solution, but it's too much like the windows way |
| 00:58.00 | dvs | solar_: Nope. I dont have to mess with it. |
| 00:58.01 | solar_ | thank you for the response/ |
| 00:58.35 | k-man | bztunk, do you have a url for it? |
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| 00:59.09 | AngelGabriel | stew, Not capable? How come? if I can send data via infared, and i can't send a series of signals to change the channel? |
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| 00:59.12 | solar_ | but can you pls tell me what happens if i type adduser $luser dip ( the internal operation) atleast to some extent |
| 00:59.24 | bztunk | k-man: http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/ |
| 00:59.28 | stew | AngelGabriel: you can buy usb/serial ir receivers and senders to do that, but you can't do it with your ir port |
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| 00:59.54 | CoderCR | what tftp server comes with debian? |
| 00:59.56 | dvs | solar_: adduser `whoami` dip should add you to the dip group so you don't have to change the permissions. |
| 00:59.59 | AngelGabriel | stew, hmm... i see... |
| 01:00.02 | Wyzard | AngelGabriel: IrDA uses a particular protocol which is standardized... you can't control the actual on/off of the IR LED |
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| 01:00.13 | solar_ | any debian gurus sitting out there who can help me to bring up my dial out connectin |
| 01:00.20 | stew | AngelGabriel: and irda has a range of like 2 feet or something |
| 01:00.31 | Wyzard | AngelGabriel: You just tell the hardware what bytes you want to send and it manipulates the LED to transmit those bytes in the standardized protocol |
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| 01:00.44 | solar_ | thank you dvs it is a better state of affairs now/ |
| 01:00.55 | k-man | thanks bztunk |
| 01:01.01 | Karhuton | solar_: adduser <username> dip means you give permission for the current user to dial out |
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| 01:01.11 | AngelGabriel | Wyzard, I see... thanks... |
| 01:01.17 | AngelGabriel | stew, Thanx! |
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| 01:01.36 | solar_ | karhuton, any idea why pppd dies that death |
| 01:01.44 | Karhuton | Not current user, I mean the username you specify in the command. $luser means the current user. |
| 01:01.47 | nite_fly | is it possible to install debian with just the first CD like min |
| 01:01.53 | nite_fly | like a minimum install ? |
| 01:02.01 | solar_ | thank you man |
| 01:02.06 | Karhuton | solar_: No. Can't help you more with that. |
| 01:02.08 | cafuego | nite_fly: A mimimum install needs about 10% of the first cd. |
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| 01:02.15 | Wyzard | nite_fly: The first CD contains all the required packages |
| 01:02.18 | nite_fly | thank you |
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| 01:02.26 | cafuego | nite_fly: Or you can use a netinst (or business card cd) |
| 01:02.29 | solar_ | but will i have to type it every time i boot |
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| 01:02.42 | Karhuton | solar, Ofcourse not. |
| 01:02.43 | solar_ | i am using sarge as a home desktop |
| 01:02.49 | Karhuton | solar. You have to logout after it, though. |
| 01:02.57 | solar_ | that's heartening/ |
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| 01:03.12 | Karhuton | solar. Group rights are read when you login. |
| 01:03.18 | solar_ | how can i update packages using cd/ |
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| 01:03.24 | budluva | Starting Jay's Firewall v1.0.3 : iptables v1.2.11: invalid TCP port/service `143;' specified |
| 01:03.25 | budluva | why is tcp port 143 invalid? its imap |
| 01:03.28 | solar_ | i used synaptic in this case |
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| 01:03.41 | solar_ | what about using a command line adding of packages |
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| 01:03.51 | cafuego | budluva: See the ';' there? |
| 01:03.52 | solar_ | dselect is bit confusing |
| 01:03.54 | Karhuton | solar, Have you read the debian installation manual? |
| 01:04.04 | solar_ | no |
| 01:04.05 | Karhuton | solar, Especially the part "What next?" |
| 01:04.06 | budluva | cafuego, well thats how the config tells me to end it |
| 01:04.11 | Karhuton | solar, Go for it... |
| 01:04.15 | solar_ | now i see things |
| 01:04.18 | cafuego | budluva: Remove it. |
| 01:04.21 | Karhuton | Heh. |
| 01:04.25 | Karhuton | I hope it ain't dead people. |
| 01:04.35 | solar_ | i will sit down and read the fine print |
| 01:04.48 | solar_ | sorry to burden u |
| 01:05.11 | Karhuton | Solar, I try to get your hands on some debian related tutorials and books. |
| 01:05.18 | Karhuton | Solar, gah. |
| 01:05.23 | solar_ | well sarge is not as tough as woody but still ....... |
| 01:05.26 | Karhuton | Solar, I mean, I suggest you try to get ... |
| 01:05.42 | solar_ | yeah yeah i get you man |
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| 01:05.49 | dvs | !smite robc |
| 01:05.56 | Karhuton | solar: If not debian, linux atleast. |
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| 01:05.59 | solar_ | i've got 7 cds of woody |
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| 01:06.18 | solar_ | but i will have to sit and configure my entire life time to bring thing up |
| 01:06.30 | solar_ | but sarge is doing wonders |
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| 01:06.49 | Karhuton | Solar, The installation manual is great. You'll learn about installing packages and stuff. |
| 01:06.57 | solar_ | ok karhuton |
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| 01:07.05 | solar_ | bye for now |
| 01:07.12 | Karhuton | G'day. |
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| 01:07.17 | budluva | cafuego, ok works now with errors |
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| 01:07.29 | solar_ | will surely call you as soon as next pblm comes up// |
| 01:07.31 | solar_ | bye |
| 01:07.33 | colter | I know how to mount an ISO file via -o loop, but how do I implement this in fstab? Specifically I want synaptic to access this .iso file (containing sarge-DVD-1) automatically when needed |
| 01:07.44 | solar_ | g'day/ |
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| 01:08.03 | cafuego | colter: /home/iso/foo.iso /mnt/iso iso9660 ro,loop 0 0 |
| 01:08.04 | Wyzard | colter: You can probably put it in the options column in fstab, though I haven't tred it myself |
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| 01:08.25 | cafuego | colter: Just make sure loop is mounted at bootup. |
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| 01:09.34 | FieldySnuts | @kill robc |
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| 01:09.57 | colter | cafuego, Wyzard: hm, couldnt find the loop option in mount, hence my question. Must've overread it |
| 01:10.14 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: :( |
| 01:10.14 | ravenbird | [(] how i am feeling now |
| 01:10.22 | cafuego | colter: Works fine, i have quite a few cd images in fstab. |
| 01:10.32 | bztunk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:11.30 | colter | bztunk: I know and I did, the occurence was vast so I limited the search to the genereal options, iso9660 options and loop device specifics |
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| 01:11.56 | jstevens | wireless question here: any Idea why I couldn't connect to my AP until I specify the rate 11M ... on boot it's set to 2M ... I can set essid but can't connect until I set rate 11M |
| 01:12.03 | FieldySnuts | can somebody ban robc |
| 01:12.06 | jstevens | AP is set to any rate. |
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| 01:12.09 | bztunk | colter: hehe |
| 01:12.23 | [GR]Hellblade | how do I give a file as input to rm. I mean a file that includes files to be removed |
| 01:12.47 | dondelelcaro | [GR]Hellblade: xargs rm < foofile |
| 01:13.17 | stoned | OMG! This is Supreme Bullshit Deluxe :( |
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| 01:13.27 | [GR]Hellblade | dondelelcaro:thanx |
| 01:13.29 | bztunk | stoned: wtf |
| 01:13.31 | stoned | Dimebag Darrell 8/20/1966 - 12/8/2004 | Shot dead on stage last night at the age of 38 |
| 01:13.36 | dvs | stoned: Where's my boss? ;-) |
| 01:13.48 | colter | works perfectly know, thanks |
| 01:13.55 | stoned | :( |
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| 01:14.57 | dondelelcaro | [GR]Hellblade: before you go to much farther, you probably want to man xargs; and info coreutils; as well. |
| 01:15.00 | stoned | the guy who inspired me to play the guitar, dead, a legend, man, this guy was so good he was banned from every guitar contest in the state of Texas at the age of 14 |
| 01:15.17 | stoned | the mastermind behind Pentera |
| 01:15.21 | stoned | Pantera* |
| 01:15.26 | stoned | it makes me sad |
| 01:15.43 | datagrape | =) |
| 01:15.43 | stoned | 5 shots close range, some fans dead also |
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| 01:16.42 | stoned | Its time I recorded a tribute to dimebag |
| 01:16.56 | mago | <dondelelcaro>If I do "xargs rm < foofile", do I give a file as input to rm. I mean a file that includes files to be removed? |
| 01:17.26 | dvs | mago: foofile is the name of your file. |
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| 01:17.58 | bztunk | !ban robc |
| 01:18.05 | bztunk | :( |
| 01:18.38 | mago | <dvs>Yes, but If I do "xargs rm < foofile, do I rm foofile? |
| 01:18.45 | dvs | mago: no |
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| 01:18.59 | cafuego | mago: See what "xargs echo < foofile" does eh? |
| 01:19.52 | justdust | anyoen feels like doing me a favor ? |
| 01:20.07 | bztunk | justdust: no |
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| 01:20.15 | jstevens | justdust: LOL.. maybe, what's up? |
| 01:20.15 | justdust | bztunk: thx |
| 01:20.16 | mago | <dvs>Then, wath happens qhen i do "xargs rm < foofile"? |
| 01:20.29 | dvs | mago: what you want it to do. |
| 01:20.38 | justdust | check http://81.244.17.184/ and tell me what you get... |
| 01:20.51 | bztunk | justdust: i see goatse |
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| 01:21.02 | justdust | bztunk: lmao |
| 01:21.26 | bztunk | justdust: :) |
| 01:21.41 | stew | justdust: nobody home, no reply |
| 01:21.41 | bztunk | justdust: I see... hum... nothing |
| 01:21.42 | jstevens | jsutd: sorry, no can do from here... no http access from work |
| 01:21.52 | Wyzard | jstevens: IRC but not HTTP? |
| 01:21.59 | mago | <dvs>Are you asking me? You are the master. |
| 01:21.59 | justdust | bztunk: define ""nothing |
| 01:22.13 | jstevens | Wyzard: LOL yeah ... but that's only because I'm cheating |
| 01:22.19 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:22.25 | bztunk | justdust: timeout |
| 01:22.30 | dvs | mago: you asked if there was a way to delete the files listed in a file. That was the answer. |
| 01:22.31 | jstevens | Wyzard: they messed w/ the firewall rules and neglected to block port 22.... |
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| 01:22.35 | justdust | nothing at all... nice, ok, let me kick my server faw.. |
| 01:22.37 | Wyzard | jstevens: hehe ok |
| 01:22.43 | bztunk | jstevens: can't you cheat for http? |
| 01:22.58 | jstevens | bztunk: haven't figured that out yet |
| 01:23.05 | jstevens | bztunk: working on it |
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| 01:23.17 | dondelelcaro | jstevens: that machine doesn't even respond to ping requests. |
| 01:23.23 | bztunk | jstevens: wtf do you have internet for if you can't use HTTP? |
| 01:23.31 | Mad-Duck | re |
| 01:23.33 | dondelelcaro | s/jstevens/justdust/ |
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| 01:23.36 | Wyzard | jstevens: OpenSSH has the ability to act as a SOCKS proxy and tunnel stuff through the encrypted connection |
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| 01:23.58 | jstevens | Wyzard: if only this werent' a WinBlows box |
| 01:24.14 | Wyzard | jstevens: Well, maybe the ssh.com client can do it too |
| 01:24.16 | jstevens | Qyz: I'm using putty as an SSH client.. |
| 01:24.16 | Wyzard | Probably not putty though |
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| 01:24.18 | cafuego | jstevens: putty has the ability to act as a SOCKS proxy and tunnel stuff through the encrypted connection |
| 01:24.22 | stew | justdust: cygwin's ssh can do it |
| 01:24.25 | Wyzard | It can? |
| 01:24.33 | jstevens | hrrm....... |
| 01:24.41 | mago | <dvs>Then a have to understand tha if I do "xargs rm < foofile" I will rm files in a file, don't you? |
| 01:24.42 | jstevens | you don't know how to set that up do ya? |
| 01:24.48 | cafuego | putty does it just fine too, it's hoow I got into my own router and used the web interface to open the vpn port. |
| 01:24.55 | Wyzard | hehe ok |
| 01:25.01 | jstevens | LOL |
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| 01:25.21 | dvs | mago: Huh? "xargs rm < foofile" will remove all the files listed in foofile |
| 01:25.28 | dondelelcaro | mago: why are you asking about this anyway? [GR]Hellblade asked the original question, not you. |
| 01:25.37 | dondelelcaro | mago: if you don't understand what the command does, man xargs; man bash; |
| 01:25.38 | bztunk | dondelelcaro: haha |
| 01:25.39 | derek | i need to setup bind9 but am not quite sure what to do, i have the domain on a godaddy account. how would i point it to my computer |
| 01:25.40 | cafuego | jstevens: puttys help file is pretty clear on it. |
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| 01:26.05 | stew | robc: hi, how's it going? wtf is going on with your internet connection? |
| 01:26.07 | cafuego | derek: 1) Get a static IP address from your ISP. 2) get a backup DNS. |
| 01:26.20 | dvs | stew: I suspect he's not at his terminal |
| 01:26.31 | jstevens | dangit... can't find the putty help file |
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| 01:26.42 | Wyzard | derek: Why do you need to run your own DNS server? |
| 01:26.54 | cafuego | jstevens: In the sessions dialog, down the bottom left there's the optio to add tunnels |
| 01:27.15 | cafuego | Wyzard: Coz bindgraph makes pretty stats? |
| 01:27.18 | FieldySnuts | @hack derek |
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| 01:27.30 | mago | <dondelcaro>Thank's to <devs>, because It seems to be a master and a Sir. |
| 01:27.30 | FieldySnuts | .. i keep forgetting that backfires |
| 01:27.34 | derek | well, i just wanted to be able to have subdomains, and the only other option is point www. to my computer or use zoneedit |
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| 01:27.48 | derek | and i figured zoneedit would just slow down everything alot |
| 01:27.57 | Wyzard | derek: Or go with a hosting company that offers subdomains |
| 01:28.25 | cafuego | Why would zoneedit slow things down? Once the domain is set up it's done. |
| 01:28.37 | FieldySnuts | user error? |
| 01:28.42 | derek | dunno, just figured since its free |
| 01:28.54 | clojster | someone from CZech Rep. here? |
| 01:28.56 | cafuego | derek: So Debian must suck too, coz it's free? |
| 01:29.11 | distempr | !start os war |
| 01:29.18 | FieldySnuts | @start a distro war |
| 01:29.19 | ravenbird | RedHat r0x0z! |
| 01:29.20 | Wyzard | derek: Editing a file with a free tool makes anything else using the file slower? :-) |
| 01:29.30 | *** part/#debian Karhuton (~timo@YYYMMCMLXXVI.dsl.saunalahti.fi) |
| 01:29.30 | distempr | YEAH XP OWNZ LINUCHS!!11 |
| 01:29.33 | distempr | :x |
| 01:29.37 | bztunk | pwnt |
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| 01:29.42 | FieldySnuts | Rock rules |
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| 01:29.54 | SerajewelKS | what package do i need to compile a qt-1.4 app? |
| 01:29.56 | FieldySnuts | plan9 sucks |
| 01:30.01 | distempr | heh |
| 01:30.02 | derek | theres a difference when operating it costs, me using a local tool only costs me, using zoneedit costs them |
| 01:30.05 | derek | :) |
| 01:30.15 | distempr | derek, in engrish please. |
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| 01:30.34 | FieldySnuts | would somebody please ban robc, join, quit, join, quit the past 20 minues at least |
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| 01:30.44 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: /help ignore |
| 01:30.53 | derek | nvm, i'll just go with zoneedit |
| 01:30.54 | derek | thanks |
| 01:31.02 | mago | <dvs>Thank's to <devs>, because ... and so on, I meant. Because one ask and the others, if they want or knwo, answer. |
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| 01:31.12 | pearl | good morning |
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| 01:31.47 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: Or run the nice irssi script that doesn't shows joins until $USER has actually said something. |
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| 01:32.08 | distempr | cafuego, irssi :o |
| 01:32.35 | budluva | TCP_FORWARD="eth1>22>192.168.1.2:22" does that look right? im trying to forward port 22 on my gateway to an inside box so when i scp to my ip, it connects to 192.168.1.2:22 and not my gateway's 22 |
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| 01:33.08 | justdust | Ok, another try... check http://81.244.17.184/ -- for free cookies ! :) |
| 01:33.25 | justdust | what happens ? |
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| 01:33.45 | cafuego | haha, my rsync cron job shows up at a local max bandwidth spike in the data graph :-) |
| 01:34.13 | FieldySnuts | go away spammer |
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| 01:34.31 | justdust | ? |
| 01:34.40 | Wyzard | robc: What are you doing? |
| 01:34.50 | Karhuton | Damn it. This is driving me crazy. |
| 01:35.13 | cafuego | Wyzard: Probably a knoppix user double clicking xchat |
| 01:35.21 | Karhuton | What should I enter to the configuration of package discover1 so I can get cdrom placed into /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 01:35.35 | justdust | What do you see on http://81.244.17.184/ pls, I'm just testing my connection... |
| 01:35.38 | Karhuton | The damn thing removes the directory all the time. |
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| 01:36.10 | jstevens | cafuego: looks like I have an old version (.52) that doesnt' have that setting... or at least not in that location |
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| 01:36.33 | cafuego | !fgi jstevens download%20putty |
| 01:36.34 | dpkg | jstevens: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=download%20putty |
| 01:36.55 | zirikili | does anyone using postfix could help? |
| 01:37.00 | jstevens | cafuego: LOL.. yep |
| 01:37.01 | gravity | Wyzard: Mainly due to d-i |
| 01:37.15 | jstevens | cafuego: I was thinking of that, will have to carry it in |
| 01:37.19 | Wyzard | gravity: What, D-I doesn't work with discover 2.x? |
| 01:37.47 | gravity | Wyzard: It has to do with database size and such |
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| 01:37.55 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:37.56 | gravity | Wyzard: And now a host of other factors |
| 01:37.58 | Karhuton | Oh crap. |
| 01:38.01 | gravity | Political, among others |
| 01:38.10 | Karhuton | Discover loaded up radeonfb and my whole X screen went black. |
| 01:38.19 | Karhuton | God damn it :-D |
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| 01:38.22 | trovador | where should one put scripts that start at boottime? (i understand that rc.boot isn't in use anymore?) |
| 01:38.25 | Karhuton | Sorry for all the swearing... |
| 01:38.43 | dvs | Karhuton: You *#*& better. ;-) |
| 01:39.01 | gravity | Karhuton: You can tell discover to not load it by editing the discover.conf file |
| 01:39.16 | Karhuton | gravity: Yeah, but it did it without asking me when I updated discover |
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| 01:39.27 | Karhuton | gravity: Nice suprise, just all :-) |
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| 01:39.33 | mlewis00 | trovador: /etc/init.d |
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| 01:39.45 | gravity | Karhuton: Yeah, it's designed to be easy, so stuff like that happens :-( |
| 01:39.52 | LemmyWinks | WOOHOO Im getting a KICKass car!! |
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| 01:39.57 | LemmyWinks | I had a good day at work |
| 01:39.57 | justdust | can you see my webserven yes/no http://81.244.17.184/ pls |
| 01:40.04 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: kia? |
| 01:40.15 | dvs | cafuego: No, a Chevette. |
| 01:40.19 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, the cadillac from the beginning of gone in 60 seconds |
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| 01:40.39 | mlewis00 | trovador: Then create symlinks to the script in /etc/rc#.d for each runlevel you want them to run in (where # = 1,2,3,...) |
| 01:40.51 | trovador | mlewis00: even if they are just written as scripts and not daemons? |
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| 01:40.54 | Karhuton | I updated the discover, but still it hasn't fixed the /media directory |
| 01:40.59 | mago | <justdust>I see loading, loading, ... till tomorrow I think, because is "time out", on http://81.244.17.184/ |
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| 01:41.06 | LemmyWinks | the black eldorado touring coupe =- not the same model, that car, the one they USED in the movie |
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| 01:41.20 | LemmyWinks | Im pretty stoked |
| 01:41.22 | cafuego | You must make a shitload, those bastards drink like fish. |
| 01:41.39 | Karhuton | Well, now I recreated it and it doesn't remove it anymore... |
| 01:41.44 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, its a 4.6 dohc gm engine - gets over 20mpg |
| 01:41.52 | mlewis00 | trovador: Most of /etc/init.d consists of scripts, not daemons... |
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| 01:42.05 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: Uh, 20mpg is *BAD* |
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| 01:42.17 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, uh no it isnt |
| 01:42.20 | derek | 20 isn't too bad |
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| 01:42.28 | maestro[] | can I do something like find . -path './CVS' -prune -o -exec ~/lugsmail_neil.pl < {} \; ? the < seems to be a problem |
| 01:42.30 | LemmyWinks | and I think the northstar does 24-26 |
| 01:42.37 | LemmyWinks | I'll have to look it up |
| 01:42.42 | cafuego | !convert 1gallon to litres |
| 01:42.44 | dpkg | 1gallon is approximately 3.78541 litres |
| 01:42.50 | derek | my explorer gets about 13, my bronco use to get even worse |
| 01:42.56 | LemmyWinks | derek, exactly |
| 01:43.01 | cafuego | That's 8 km/litre |
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| 01:43.08 | cafuego | Pitiful <heh> |
| 01:43.11 | exobyte | I'm thinking about upgrading a system. Any good but cheap mobos I should look into? What was the last board to support pc133 memory? |
| 01:43.21 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, well you drive a smart car and I'll drive something with testes. |
| 01:43.24 | derek | 8km/litre, we americans have no clue what to think about that |
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| 01:43.41 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: I got my own testes, don't need a car for it <heh> |
| 01:43.47 | LemmyWinks | exobyte, I had a hard time finding those |
| 01:44.00 | cafuego | derek: 30-40 mpg would be acceptable |
| 01:44.01 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, if you had your own you wouldnt cry about 24-26 mpg |
| 01:44.11 | LemmyWinks | cmon |
| 01:44.14 | derek | that would be outstanding |
| 01:44.22 | LemmyWinks | derek, no kidding |
| 01:44.27 | derek | you could drive for a month without refilling |
| 01:44.33 | maestro[] | hmk, that was not debian related. sorry |
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| 01:44.38 | LemmyWinks | maybe - I dont drive a lot. |
| 01:44.46 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: It's easy for you to say, you pay a quarter for fuel from what most people pay and about half what I pay here. |
| 01:44.48 | LemmyWinks | Ill definitely be taking THAT to vegas though |
| 01:45.17 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, aint that a bitch? im paying 2.29 a gallon for gas and I think thats expensive. |
| 01:45.21 | derek | heh, your right, we complain like its backbreaking at $1.80 |
| 01:45.34 | distempr | Yeahhh... you yanks... :( |
| 01:45.44 | distempr | EU's got crazy gas prices. |
| 01:45.51 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: about AU$1 / litre here, over a euro/litre in europe. |
| 01:46.03 | derek | california its like 3 bucks, england its probably 8, did you know the most expensive is saudi arabia and iraq |
| 01:46.15 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, should have pitched in and knocked over iraq for its oil |
| 01:46.17 | cafuego | distempr: realistic ones actually, not subsidised. |
| 01:46.25 | distempr | derek: seriously? |
| 01:46.27 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: You'll find australia DID |
| 01:46.27 | derek | yup |
| 01:46.42 | derek | no high up, the highest |
| 01:46.44 | LemmyWinks | then you should be getting some of that oil :( thats rotten |
| 01:46.51 | cafuego | Yeah, Iraq has no right to its own oil. |
| 01:47.00 | distempr | cafuego: heh |
| 01:47.06 | LemmyWinks | Im surprised theres no oil in AU anywhere - its enormous |
| 01:47.22 | derek | probably some on the coast |
| 01:47.26 | [GR]Hellblade | bye guys! goodnight |
| 01:47.27 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: 's Ok, we're stealing it from East Timor. |
| 01:47.33 | distempr | But you can squeeze some crocodiles ... |
| 01:47.36 | mlewis00 | LemmyWinks: Its all still walking above ground :-) |
| 01:47.40 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: .. which is why .AU went in there for peace keeping. |
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| 01:48.02 | jstevens | wireless question here: any Idea why I couldn't connect to my AP until I specify the rate 11M ... on boot it's set to 2M ... I can set essid but can't connect until I set rate 11M... The AP is set to work at any rate. |
| 01:48.13 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, well its good to know my country set a good example showing the world its ok to knock over other countries for their oil. |
| 01:48.18 | derek | gas is about half as expensive as water now |
| 01:48.28 | distempr | LemmyWinks: yeah man, good on ya guys. |
| 01:48.28 | derek | was alot less before |
| 01:48.35 | cafuego | jstevens: Maybe just a card/AP incompatibility. You cna set the rate in /etc/network/interfaces anyway, so it autosets at boot time. |
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| 01:48.40 | LemmyWinks | we are real trend setters arent we? |
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| 01:48.51 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: If you're big enough to push people over, it's a crime to not push. |
| 01:49.06 | distempr | LemmyWinks: yep and now you wanna put missles on our soil to "defend" from flying ... umm... seagulls? |
| 01:49.07 | Karhuton | A guy goes flies to Australia and in the airport he goes up to the desk and he is asked for passport. Then the clerk asks: "Criminal record?" The guy replies "I didn't know it was still required!?" |
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| 01:49.09 | derek | i don't think it had anything to do with oil, look at the cost now |
| 01:49.21 | LemmyWinks | cafuego, we have to flesx our muscles occasionally |
| 01:49.35 | LemmyWinks | flex |
| 01:49.37 | cafuego | LemmyWinks: nah, us european colonisers have been doing it since well before you lot were even discovered ;-) |
| 01:49.38 | LemmyWinks | anyhow |
| 01:49.50 | LemmyWinks | yeah but we did it BEST |
| 01:50.05 | LemmyWinks | we farted in the general direction of the UN and got our oil. |
| 01:50.10 | FieldySnuts | @politics |
| 01:50.10 | ravenbird | Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 01:50.15 | derek | we could kick europes ass |
| 01:50.26 | r00tsh3ll | lol |
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| 01:50.27 | cafuego | derek: Yes, then go bankrupt. |
| 01:50.28 | FieldySnuts | i hope that happens |
| 01:50.34 | distempr | :o Your momma's so fat, she uses a vcr as a pager. |
| 01:50.51 | derek | :) |
| 01:50.55 | distempr | @start holy war |
| 01:50.57 | distempr | :( |
| 01:51.03 | FieldySnuts | @start a holy war |
| 01:51.04 | ravenbird | winword.exe is the most braindead editor ever |
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| 01:51.05 | budluva | TCP_FORWARD="eth1>22>192.168.1.2:22" does that look right? im trying to forward port 22 on my gateway to an inside box so when i scp to my ip, it connects to 192.168.1.2:22 and not my gateway's 22 |
| 01:51.12 | FieldySnuts | heh didn't know about that one |
| 01:51.17 | distempr | :P |
| 01:51.27 | The_Ball | bah!! frustrating! does anybody know why my box is answering through eth0 a ping to a ip configured on eth1 (eth1 is'nt even plugged in yet) ?? |
| 01:51.33 | derek | that would be so fun to start a civil war, n vs s then make a time machine and go back, no nukes though |
| 01:51.37 | jstevens | cafuego: I guess that's possible, but it's the 1st time I've run into it not liking to talk.. thanks |
| 01:51.39 | distempr | The_Ball: magic? |
| 01:51.43 | cafuego | budluva: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -j DNAT --to 192.168.01.2:22 |
| 01:52.00 | cafuego | Well, you may need eth1 there and not eth0 |
| 01:52.05 | The_Ball | disasm, black magic in that case, cause it's driving me mad |
| 01:52.45 | distempr | Heh, something you've missed somewhere I'm sure. It _always_ comes to that in my case. :) |
| 01:52.49 | cafuego | "starting wars is fun" pretty much sums up what's wrong with the us <heh> |
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| 01:53.29 | distempr | I've blamed the kernel, perl, c, even... my cpu registers. Each time, it was my fault. Goes to show that I truly am smarter than my computer. |
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| 01:54.01 | The_Ball | distempr, hehe, right now at 3am im ready to kick the box |
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| 01:54.54 | budluva | cafuego, after doing that, i still get sent to my gateway box when scp'in to port 22 |
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| 01:55.26 | p8m | hey everybody, I'm trying to burn a cdr using k3b. As root I can see the device and it works. As a user I can't see the device. /dev/hdb(the cdrw drive) is set to 666 root/cdrom. Any ideas? |
| 01:55.46 | p8m | I can see it, but not as a burner. |
| 01:55.51 | distempr | p8m: usermod -Gcdrom username |
| 01:55.52 | distempr | ? |
| 01:56.00 | Eklipz | if i just upgraded my kernel from 2.4.27 o 2.6.8.1, what are some reasons that my USB mouse may have stopped working? |
| 01:56.04 | cafuego | budluva: Do you have other nat/PREROUTING rules that interfere? |
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| 01:56.19 | cafuego | budluva: Or did it indeed need to be eth0 instead of eth1? |
| 01:56.29 | distempr | The_Ball: I feel for ya man, maybe get some shuteye and take a fresh look in the morning? |
| 01:56.34 | The_Ball | Eklipz, did'nt enable usbHID in the kernel, if you compiled it yourself |
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| 01:57.16 | distempr | Eklipz: you're probably loading the wrong modules on boot. Try any of these (depends on your chipset) uhci-hcd or ohci-hcd. |
| 01:57.17 | budluva | eth0 nic that connects debian machine to gateway, eth1 connects cable modem to gateway, eth2 connects xp machine to gateway |
| 01:57.18 | The_Ball | distempr, hehe, that usaly helps, gonne try removing alot of the network stuff i complied in the kernel first though |
| 01:57.22 | distempr | ehci-hcd is for USB2. |
| 01:57.25 | p8m | distempr: already a member.:( no difference |
| 01:57.29 | derek | oh no, does anyone have a /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 01:57.35 | budluva | i want my gateway port 22 to be forwarded to my debian machines port 22 |
| 01:57.39 | budluva | eth1:22>eth0:22 |
| 01:57.52 | Eklipz | alright, ill try recompiling and taking a look at that |
| 01:58.06 | distempr | Eklipz: probably not needed. Just modprobe. |
| 01:58.20 | distempr | Eklipz: it may be as easy as modprobing usb-mouse. |
| 01:58.23 | distempr | err usbmouse rather |
| 01:58.32 | Eklipz | oh |
| 01:58.34 | Eklipz | ill try that then |
| 01:59.10 | Eklipz | im on 2.4.27 right now where the mouse is working.. theres no usbmouse module, but there is a "mousedev" module |
| 01:59.19 | Eklipz | is there a chance that may be it? |
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| 01:59.45 | Eklipz | either way, im rebooting now and ill check it out |
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| 02:02.01 | Eklipz | modprobing usbmouse doesnt help anything |
| 02:02.04 | krayzone | i got a questoin, i was curious of what the ipconfig command was in deb? |
| 02:02.07 | Eklipz | it adds it fine, but it doesnt use it |
| 02:02.16 | Eklipz | ifconfig |
| 02:02.20 | krayzone | thanks |
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| 02:02.24 | Eklipz | no problem |
| 02:02.46 | krayzone | do you have to install that, or is that preconfigured, im using sarge |
| 02:03.07 | Eklipz | it comes by default |
| 02:03.14 | Eklipz | it did on my installation, anyway |
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| 02:03.21 | Eklipz | and i know it comes default with other distros i have used |
| 02:03.37 | krayzone | i have once before also, but i get a bash:unknown command |
| 02:03.46 | Eklipz | are you logged in as root? |
| 02:03.50 | krayzone | nope |
| 02:03.57 | Eklipz | thats the problem then |
| 02:04.00 | krayzone | got it |
| 02:04.02 | Eklipz | su |
| 02:04.03 | krayzone | had to su |
| 02:04.04 | krayzone | yeah |
| 02:04.06 | Eklipz | yeah |
| 02:04.07 | Eklipz | there ya go |
| 02:04.09 | krayzone | thanks once again |
| 02:04.21 | Eklipz | no problem |
| 02:04.31 | krayzone | do you know anything about the openssh adduser ? |
| 02:05.00 | Eklipz | im not very familiar with that :/ |
| 02:05.08 | krayzone | its cool, thanks anyway |
| 02:05.12 | mwilson | "openssh adduser"? |
| 02:05.35 | krayzone | is that how you add users? |
| 02:05.45 | mwilson | Add users to what? |
| 02:06.03 | krayzone | i want to add so more people can log into my ssh server |
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| 02:06.23 | mwilson | Exactly what is a "ssh server"? |
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| 02:06.37 | thorie | a server that serves ssh connections |
| 02:06.42 | krayzone | somthing like telnet, but from my undestanding more secure |
| 02:06.48 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 02:07.06 | Eklipz | he probably just means a regular box running SSH for remote users to log in, mwilson |
| 02:07.09 | mwilson | Just what the 'net needs... another wannabe shell seller. |
| 02:07.11 | krayzone | yeah |
| 02:07.16 | krayzone | lol |
| 02:07.26 | krayzone | im not selling them, just experimentation |
| 02:07.34 | mago | <Eklipz>Im sure he means it |
| 02:07.46 | mwilson | Have fun, then. |
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| 02:08.07 | krayzone | yeah, so far so good, its working, i just need to know how to add more users, and there arnt many in detail docs that i have found |
| 02:08.45 | MerlinCorey | technically speaking, an ssh server is sshd. of course, he's thinking in generic terms where a box is a server and not the actual programs that do the serving.... |
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| 02:09.08 | krayzone | all |
| 02:09.24 | krayzone | ok, so does anyone know how to add users to the ssh login? |
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| 02:09.30 | mwilson | krayzone: Actually, there are plenty of in-depth, detailed documents, but I will best serve the rest of us by not enabling you. |
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| 02:09.51 | mago | <krayzone>Where are that docs? |
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| 02:09.59 | krayzone | what docs? |
| 02:10.02 | mwilson | krayzone: Sorry, but that's the way it is. You need to learn a few things first. |
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| 02:10.34 | ZeRoDeX | Hi |
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| 02:10.45 | ZeRoDeX | i would like to creat a softwareraid 0 under debian |
| 02:10.54 | mwilson | Then do so. |
| 02:10.54 | ZeRoDeX | when i want to start the raid i get this error |
| 02:10.58 | mago | krayzone> Docs you mentione here = yeah, so far so good, its working, i just need to know how to add more users, and there arnt many in detail docs that i have found |
| 02:11.03 | ZeRoDeX | cannot determine md version: No MD device file in /dev. |
| 02:11.17 | ZeRoDeX | does anybody know what i do wrong |
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| 02:11.35 | krayzone | not quite geting what you are saying, mind being more in depth? |
| 02:11.38 | mwilson | ZeRoDeX: Well, actually running mkraid would be a start. |
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| 02:12.05 | mwilson | ZeRoDeX: After creating the appropriate raidtab, of course. |
| 02:12.07 | mago | krayzone>You say that are not many, so there are some you now. |
| 02:12.13 | mago | krayzone>You say that are not many, so there are some you know. |
| 02:12.13 | Karhuton | krayzone: He's saying, that with your knowledge of things, mayby you shouldn't be running a public sshd. |
| 02:12.22 | krayzone | oh |
| 02:12.32 | zirikili | what's a nice pop3/imap server to work with passwd/shadow ? |
| 02:12.49 | asg | zirikili: courier |
| 02:13.10 | mwilson | ZeRoDeX: It's all in the Software RAID HOWTO, of course. |
| 02:13.12 | jack|h | hey, the debian sarge images made every week, those have the full installer and such, right? |
| 02:13.22 | ZeRoDeX | mwilson: wen i make mkraid i get the same error |
| 02:13.29 | zirikili | asg: are you sure it work only with passwd? |
| 02:13.32 | mwilson | ZeRoDeX: Unlikely. |
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| 02:13.47 | ZeRoDeX | mwilson: may i querry you |
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| 02:13.55 | mago | krayzone>No. I'm saying that krayzone must know some doc |
| 02:13.57 | mwilson | ZeRoDeX: Of course not. |
| 02:14.03 | asg | zirikili: it works with a number of things (passwd/shadow being one using pam and authdaemon) |
| 02:14.05 | initech | what's with all these p2p programs |
| 02:14.20 | krayzone | i know of docs yeah, the ones that you google and by using other sources |
| 02:14.21 | initech | you shut them off and the networks hammers at your computers for days afterwards |
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| 02:14.39 | krayzone | but those doc's dont include commands or arguments to use to add users to your ssh login list, |
| 02:14.57 | zirikili | asg: ok. I'll try it again. thank you. |
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| 02:15.19 | asg | zirikili: dovecot might be another option you could investigate |
| 02:15.30 | mago | krayzone>If I find some doc ¿Would you like I post it to you and tothe world wide here? |
| 02:15.42 | mwilson | Personally, I like dovecot, although it's a little young. |
| 02:16.07 | zirikili | asg: oh...thanks |
| 02:16.07 | krayzone | not exactly |
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| 02:16.21 | dondelelcaro | although, you have to be careful, because sometimes upstream breaks it totally |
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| 02:16.37 | asg | mwilson: yeah, but the separation of authentication from user account definition makes it worthy |
| 02:16.38 | krayzone | there are other means of leting me know weather you find somthing or you know something with out the whole wide world finding out |
| 02:16.41 | dondelelcaro | not that that differentiates it from any other program out there... |
| 02:17.09 | mago | krayzone>At the beginnig, Internet was so I see that, but there are a lot of people now who has eaten the apple now |
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| 02:17.36 | thorie | i've always wondered about RAID... if on one drive, the h/w fails and writes a 0 instead of a 1, wouldn't that mistake simply be reproduced among all the redundant drives? |
| 02:17.46 | initech | thorie: no |
| 02:18.05 | initech | thorie: that would make it completely useless :) |
| 02:18.07 | FieldySnuts | @samir |
| 02:18.22 | asg | !boltonsmite FieldySnuts |
| 02:18.28 | FieldySnuts | ew |
| 02:18.39 | thorie | Are you related to that singer guy? |
| 02:18.45 | asg | FieldySnuts: he did attempt a partial metal album in the early 80's you know |
| 02:18.52 | initech | thorie: besides, how could it migrate a hardware problem from one disk to another? |
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| 02:19.42 | thorie | initech: all the drives were made by the same manufacturer with the same flaw |
| 02:20.27 | initech | thorie: then all the drives would exhibit the same behaviour; but raid would not have anything to do with that |
| 02:20.34 | thorie | ok |
| 02:21.26 | initech | damn, gtk-gnutella is beating the crap out of my machine here |
| 02:21.28 | thorie | how can software RAID be useful? if one hdd melts down to liquid, then all the partitions on that drive are gone |
| 02:21.43 | initech | thorie: because there is still the other one? |
| 02:22.07 | thorie | oh so it's not just 1 hdd? |
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| 02:22.22 | asg | thorie: never seen them melt to liquid but the do tick before going tits-up. |
| 02:22.27 | initech | thorie: you can't have raid with 1 disk |
| 02:22.31 | asg | s/the do/they do/ |
| 02:22.52 | dondelelcaro | kind of difficult to get "redundant" array of inexpensive disks without redundancy... |
| 02:23.11 | thorie | i thought software raid was something like, you take a drive, partition it in half equally, and one partition is a mirror of the other |
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| 02:23.17 | initech | "redundant array of inexpensive disks", not "redundant array of filesystems" |
| 02:23.28 | asg | dondelelcaro: marketing drivel can propel so many things though ;) |
| 02:23.37 | initech | thorie: if you could, it would be excruciatingly slow |
| 02:23.53 | bwlang | ach! - i just found out that one of my systems was using an old smtp server... it manages a couple of mailing lists using mailman and exim4 but it's been failing for a week or more and exim4 -bp does not list any of these messages... is there any way to get recover them and send them out? |
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| 02:24.26 | dondelelcaro | asg: like it propels my projectile vomitus... |
| 02:24.27 | asg | bwlang: does 'mailq' list anything frozen and ready for potential delivery? |
| 02:24.30 | initech | toresbe: and completely non-redundant |
| 02:24.33 | asg | dondelelcaro: hehe |
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| 02:25.50 | bwlang | asg: nope... i didn't outgoing mail ever got deleted... just frozen |
| 02:25.53 | asg | bwlang: my mistake, disregard |
| 02:26.36 | bwlang | asg: np mailq = exim4 -bp |
| 02:26.50 | asg | bwlang: yes, I was a little foggy there for a second |
| 02:26.56 | dondelelcaro | bwlang: if you were smart and used Fcc: yes... otherwise... good luck. |
| 02:27.13 | bwlang | asg: i had one message in there that was pretty recent... and qff's that... all the messages made it into the list archives... |
| 02:27.37 | asg | bwlang: you might consult #exim |
| 02:27.55 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's pretty rare for an X session for me to end in anything but a segfault... |
| 02:28.02 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 02:28.12 | dondelelcaro | nvz: of course, it usually takes a few months for that segfault to occur... |
| 02:28.36 | bwlang | asg: hmm i was thinking maybe mailmain would keep them in it's queue... but i guess it just assumes that the mta will handle it |
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| 02:29.10 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yes it is. I dont normally run X, but I have been starting it once in awhile to play jump'n'bump with the kid, and it usually ends up catching a signal either before or after the game.. doesnt ever seem to happen during |
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| 02:29.27 | asg | bwlang: the latter I would expect. |
| 02:30.45 | smacnay | is there a curses/console browser that views xml or do I need a stand-alone viewer? |
| 02:30.53 | dondelelcaro | nvz: not like it's terribly surprising, considering the number of important segfault bugs filed against xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:31.09 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: less foo.xml |
| 02:31.13 | asg | smacnay: less views it just fine. |
| 02:31.20 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 02:31.38 | asg | smacnay: if you want it rendered against some stylesheet first, that's a different matter. |
| 02:32.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: well like you said an X session almost always ends in a SIGSEGV eventually. |
| 02:32.18 | asg | nvz: nah, the laptop craps out long before the X session does. |
| 02:33.03 | nvz | asg: well this time the laptop she was playing on just hung up totally.. went out to lunch.. and I was able to exit the game, but the X server had caught a signal afterward |
| 02:33.14 | asg | nvz: hmmm |
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| 02:33.56 | asg | nvz: granted, my X session is just a bunch of xterms |
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| 02:34.55 | nvz | asg: I dont even bother with X most of the time.. I am happy in console with screen, until the monitor gets too shaky.. its being a bit ignorant at the moment.. I am considering installing SVGATextMode and raising my console res |
| 02:35.28 | thr | Anyone was able to install VMWare (with a key) in a Sarge box? Or in any debian box? I can't set the key, I get an error of "no match" everytime I try... |
| 02:35.52 | asg | nvz: *nod* |
| 02:36.15 | debian | thr: don't use warez key then.:) |
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| 02:36.23 | thr | I have read posts about this problem in VMWare forum... months of posts, seems that some distros show this behaviour... |
| 02:36.33 | nvz | my monitor quivers at 800x600 or less sometimes.. its old as hell, and I let it get wet once or twice ;) |
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| 02:37.13 | mohohaha | how do make win32s and linux share same user/group databases |
| 02:37.33 | debian | mohohaha: in samba? |
| 02:37.50 | thr | debian: ... (grin) well... I actually tried an evaluation key.... but I already got it too long ago :-) |
| 02:37.53 | mohohaha | debian, are you sure? |
| 02:37.54 | asg | nvz: it'll come around |
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| 02:38.17 | holycow | bah, sometimes googles proclivity for generating results is a hamper ... how do i restart the setup process once you get to command line but mucked something up? |
| 02:38.32 | thr | debian: I mean, "I also tried an evaluation key" |
| 02:38.53 | bwlang | anybody know how to pull some messages out of an mbox file and resend them? |
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| 02:39.08 | asg | holycow: is that a new dpkg confuse factoid? |
| 02:39.23 | asg | bwlang: split them out with awk or perl |
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| 02:39.46 | simonrvn | WTF is an SID? i assume this is a samba context |
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| 02:40.05 | asg | simonrvn: system id? |
| 02:40.06 | simonrvn | "SID and/or RIDBASE" |
| 02:40.15 | bwlang | asg: hmm no mbox2mailq huh ;) ... i guess it's a pretty simple script |
| 02:40.17 | simonrvn | asg: beats me |
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| 02:40.43 | asg | bwlang: actually, there is one most likely (dan2 wrote one in python some months back.) |
| 02:40.52 | simonrvn | bwlang: use mutt. make 2 mailboxes, one mbox, the other mailq, then mv the mails from one to the other |
| 02:40.56 | asg | simonrvn: :) |
| 02:41.00 | nvz | I've been trying to give some thought to what to do about the future of debian releases.. so far after reading most of the proposals on the wiki only things I am certain of is some adjustments need to be made, and it seems to me like its going to be a combination of alot of the suggestions that have been made |
| 02:41.12 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 02:41.35 | asg | bwlang: basically, for a well formed mbox, a message is '^From\ ' through the next '^From\ ' |
| 02:41.36 | dan2 | bwlang: its pretty damn simple in python |
| 02:41.39 | asg | dan2: hiya |
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| 02:42.24 | nvz | the growth of debian is just moving along steadily.. but it seems like the ratio of developers and maintainers to packages just keeps getting smaller :/ |
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| 02:42.32 | dan2 | bwlang: parsing mboxes is simple to, just split messages by waiting for the From header |
| 02:42.49 | dan2 | asg: hahahaha |
| 02:43.22 | thr | nvz: What do you mean? |
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| 02:43.29 | bytecolor | nvz, is there a way to see the popularity of packages for a given release? |
| 02:43.49 | dan2 | asg: finally I got the code I need to finish this program in ocaml |
| 02:43.50 | nvz | thr: well I have been using debian quite a few years and each release I have seen taken about 2 years and the archive has more than doubled each time |
| 02:43.56 | kensai | why everytime I reboot I have to create the directory /media/cdrom0 for my cdrom to be mounted? |
| 02:44.02 | dan2 | asg: my boss has taken a liking to how well my ocaml applications have been working |
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| 02:44.08 | bytecolor | for instance how many times package xxx has been downloaded |
| 02:44.18 | dan2 | asg: we even DoS them and still run well |
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| 02:44.36 | nvz | bytecolor: I dont know the answer to that, other than I would say yes... because the popularity is used in the release to govern which packages go on which cd |
| 02:45.04 | bytecolor | hrm, youd have to accumulate the counts on all mirrors... |
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| 02:45.08 | thr | nvz: But how does that makes you think of a ratio between "debian developer"vs "debian package mantainer"? |
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| 02:45.22 | bytecolor | nvz, ok |
| 02:45.33 | nvz | thr: the ratio in sarge is 1000:1 |
| 02:46.31 | gravity | Debian demands a lot more these days. Q&A, translation, etc |
| 02:46.40 | gravity | So, more developers doing work other than packaging |
| 02:46.54 | gravity | Not to mention the fact that the programs themselves have gotten way more complex |
| 02:47.10 | bwlang | thanks guys... i'm just doing it in perl and sending to exim4 -bS |
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| 02:47.14 | mousex | gravity: it's not easy to get officially involved with Debian |
| 02:47.19 | nvz | well lets be serious and not just guess.. heh |
| 02:47.23 | gravity | mousex: What do you mean officially? |
| 02:47.25 | Mad-Duck | just curiosity: how many people here still use woody as the base sourcs for apt? |
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| 02:47.43 | skimpIzu | does master/slave matter if the devices are on separate cables |
| 02:47.47 | dan2 | asg: thats doing better than our java guys |
| 02:47.49 | dan2 | asg: :) |
| 02:47.50 | Karhuton | Mad-Duck: I'd say many servers do. |
| 02:47.54 | mousex | gravity: being part of the Debian team. Look at how many requirements they give you before you can become a Debian developer |
| 02:48.08 | thr | nvz: I'm just a little confused about the definition of "developer" when applied to "debian developer" .... By a "debian developer" I would think of those that do specific debian tools, like the debian installer or apt tools... |
| 02:48.10 | gravity | mousex: It's not that many really, believe it or not |
| 02:48.15 | bwlang | skimpIzu: no |
| 02:48.15 | bytecolor | I just recently switched to sarge testing |
| 02:48.20 | gravity | mousex: Plus, you can join a Debian team without being a DD |
| 02:48.21 | initech | there's no shortage of developers |
| 02:48.23 | mousex | skimpIzu: if you only have one drive on one cable, it should be master |
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| 02:48.26 | Mad-Duck | Karhuton> seriously? i was thinking servers would be the most up to date boxes |
| 02:48.31 | gravity | mousex: The XSF and d-i team being two very good examples |
| 02:48.39 | mousex | gravity: how? |
| 02:48.40 | nvz | thr: potato 4305/541 = 7.957, woody 8974/984 = 9.120, sarge 15178/1375 = 11.039 |
| 02:48.42 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 02:48.43 | Karhuton | Mad-Duck: They are the LEAST up to date :-D |
| 02:48.49 | gravity | mousex: Do work, fix bugs, submit patches, follow lists, etc |
| 02:48.53 | mousex | gravity: I always wanted to do some docs and translations . . . |
| 02:48.58 | nvz | thr: thats just package to maintainers comparison over the last few releases |
| 02:48.58 | gravity | mousex: Do them and submit them |
| 02:49.19 | gravity | mousex: Check the translation list for the languages your interested in and as about it |
| 02:49.19 | nvz | thr: only one thing is clear, debian is growing at an alarming rate |
| 02:49.36 | initech | nvz: not at the moment |
| 02:49.36 | dan2 | asg: the unix network programming book helps a lot |
| 02:49.36 | nvz | thr: bugs in sarge are comming in at a much higher rate than they are leaving. |
| 02:49.42 | skimpIzu | mousex: i do and the HD isnt recognized (booting off knoppix). only one out of every 10 or so boots after doing wierd things like booting the HD (which fails because of software). now ive got a new ide cable but hd isnt recognized |
| 02:49.44 | Karhuton | nvz: What numbers are those? |
| 02:50.03 | Mad-Duck | Karhuton> hmmm you may be right |
| 02:50.05 | nvz | Karhuton: Packages/Maintainers for the last 3 |
| 02:50.16 | mousex | gravity, nvz: it's still too much work to help with Debian. Since it's growing so much, they really need to make helping them easy and more organized . . . just my 2 cents |
| 02:50.37 | nvz | if you read up on the wiki and give your input I am sure it will help |
| 02:50.44 | gravity | mousex: How is helping hard? Fix a bug, submit the patch to the bug system. Repeat. |
| 02:50.47 | mousex | skimpIzu: what's your hardware setup, exactly? How many HDs? |
| 02:50.48 | asg | dan2: yeah, that's one I need to pick up one of these days. |
| 02:51.00 | nvz | there are alot of suggestions..some I think are harmful to debian's goals |
| 02:51.01 | datagrape | nvz: did you have any luck with that synergy issue? |
| 02:51.06 | mousex | gravity: I was never able to get bugzilla to work, for example |
| 02:51.07 | skimpIzu | mousex: 1hd, 1 cdrom |
| 02:51.12 | nvz | datagrape: havent looked into it any further yet |
| 02:51.16 | gravity | mousex: The package? Submit a bug to it. |
| 02:51.17 | skimpIzu | mousex: and 1 floppy |
| 02:51.19 | mousex | gravity: and those bug squashig parties . . . everyone is so mean |
| 02:51.19 | initech | mousex: well probably the problem is one of trust, as a DD you have shell access to systems |
| 02:51.26 | datagrape | ok |
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| 02:51.33 | gravity | mousex: They are? Never in my experience. |
| 02:51.33 | mousex | initech: uh, i see |
| 02:51.39 | NoGodNoMaster | anyone has any idea what could be the cause for (only sometimes) distorted display on a laptop? |
| 02:51.40 | thr | nvz: Yep, I can see that. Every "mantainer" now mantains more packages... therefore more work... more time needed to fix bugs.... I see.... |
| 02:51.43 | dan2 | asg: exp. big booger |
| 02:51.43 | Guerin_ | mousex: i bet people are only mean if you show moronitude |
| 02:51.47 | dan2 | asg: great book |
| 02:51.56 | asg | dan2: hehe |
| 02:51.57 | thr | nvz: maybe "sarge" should not have got so big... |
| 02:52.13 | thr | nvz: 14 CD's is some big distro.... too big... |
| 02:52.22 | mousex | skimpIzu: make them both masters (not cable select nor slaves), and make sure your BIOS recognizes them |
| 02:52.22 | Guerin_ | thr: this soul has alread been searched, this horse flogged. Te laws of supply and demand prevailed. |
| 02:52.24 | initech | thr: i don't think size is the bottleneck .. is it really? |
| 02:52.25 | gravity | thr: You don't need the whole damn thing |
| 02:52.33 | Guerin_ | !overfiendsphallus |
| 02:52.33 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 02:52.35 | asg | thr: the base install is still small |
| 02:52.36 | gravity | The size of Debian issue is a red herring |
| 02:52.40 | Guerin_ | same same |
| 02:52.42 | nvz | thr: well thats a good thing, I read on the wiki, and agreed that its nice to have all those packages available other distros just dont measure up |
| 02:52.50 | bytecolor | 14 CDs? wasnt Woody only 7 CDs? |
| 02:52.56 | initech | gravity: no it isn't, it's a very nice attribute |
| 02:52.56 | Guerin_ | bytecolor: yes. |
| 02:53.05 | dan2 | asg: in threads, are fds independent per each, or are they part of the program as a whole |
| 02:53.10 | Guerin_ | bytecolor: Moore's Law applies pretty well to debian releases |
| 02:53.12 | mousex | Guerin_: I had to convince 10 guys at the Linux user group at my college that irc.debian.org was a good way to get help, since they all thought that most people in here just throw a lot of RTFM and always end up fighting |
| 02:53.12 | nvz | thr: I am just trying to come up with some realistic guuidelines to help keep us on track and still allow us to grow |
| 02:53.13 | asg | bytecolor: emacs is the other 7 |
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| 02:53.19 | gravity | It's not the cause of things like the delayed sarge release, if that's what people are hinting at |
| 02:53.23 | bytecolor | asg muahaha |
| 02:53.37 | asg | dan2: I don't know, I'm still a fork/exec kinda guy |
| 02:53.40 | Guerin_ | mousex: if they hadn't the stones to come in and find out for themself, it's their loss. |
| 02:53.45 | gravity | It's problems with fundamental pieces of architecture that few people have the skills or inclination to work on, but block releases |
| 02:53.47 | initech | gravity: oh ... no I don't think it is either |
| 02:53.57 | dan2 | asg: doesn't scale in this situation |
| 02:54.02 | dan2 | asg: esp. when I need a lot of IPC |
| 02:54.02 | nvz | like suggestions to not include things like gnome and KDE, and let ubuntu and such deal with them.. I think yes we could use those projects to our advantage, but not so much as to not include things, then we loose developers, and that doesnt help the issue |
| 02:54.03 | Guerin_ | mousex: it's true, we do tell people to r a lot of fm, but typically it's justified. |
| 02:54.08 | asg | dan2: *nod* |
| 02:54.19 | initech | nvz: fuck that |
| 02:54.28 | dan2 | asg: IPC is drastically simplified when using threads vs. forks |
| 02:54.31 | mousex | Guerin_: except that you can't tell a newbie to RTFM when he doesn't even now what a man page is . . . |
| 02:54.41 | asg | dan2: yes |
| 02:54.48 | p8m | threads r kewl |
| 02:54.51 | Guerin_ | mousex: yes you can; man man |
| 02:54.56 | mousex | skimpIzu: did you install lilo or grub? |
| 02:54.57 | nvz | the main problem is people comming around wanting a "release" so maybe a combination of alot of the suggestions on the wiki will allow for more "releases" but still allow us to keep interest of all our developers. |
| 02:55.11 | mousex | Guerin_: funny, but that's not my point |
| 02:55.18 | Guerin_ | nvz: I don't buy it. We can't expect ubuntu etc to obey debian policy, let alone build for 11 arches |
| 02:55.18 | asg | Guerin_: can we patch man(1) to make 'bork bork' interesting? |
| 02:55.22 | nvz | part of what makes debian possible I think, is the fact it includes so much software, which in turn attracts all sorts of developers |
| 02:55.31 | nvz | Guerin_: exactly. |
| 02:55.34 | initech | nvz: and users |
| 02:55.40 | skimpIzu | mousex: debian did 2 years ago |
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| 02:55.46 | Guerin_ | mousex: that WAS your point. Man man explains what a manpage is, how to use one, and how to find more. |
| 02:55.46 | mousex | nvz: yup, a vast repository is always good . . . |
| 02:55.51 | skimpIzu | mousex: lilo. |
| 02:56.26 | mousex | skimpIzu: make sure you run lilo again once your HD is setup as primary master (so it would be /dev/hda) |
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| 02:56.44 | nvz | Guerin_: I am just saying I'd like to think seriously about it, I would encourage everyone to read the proposals and give some thoughts on the wiki, and maybe we should get a separate channel going to discuss the ideas, because I dont think posting specific solutions on a wiki is going to be a solution.. the solution is going to be a grey area in bettween |
| 02:57.01 | skimpIzu | mousex: i cant doo anything. it fails to complete bootinig off hd |
| 02:57.02 | Guerin_ | nvz: wtf are you on about? |
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| 02:57.11 | thr | nvz, gravity, Guerin_: yep, that is a marketing point, but the maintenance is quite harder..... for instance, I have seem lots of people asking for sarge as woody is already two years old... but I believe sarge shouldn't be release with so much bugs as it still shows now... like kde bugs and other "visible to the end-user" |
| 02:57.16 | initech | nvz: well the worst suggestion I saw on the wiki was that "debian needs more heirarchy" |
| 02:57.17 | nvz | Guerin_: just thinking ahead about the growth of debian |
| 02:57.45 | gravity | thr: sarge is, software-wise, basically ready to release. |
| 02:57.49 | Guerin_ | thr: so how should it be released then? Stripped of buggy packages? |
| 02:57.52 | nvz | Guerin_: trying to make sure we can maintain the goals of debian as the project grows. |
| 02:57.54 | mousex | skimpIzu: set them up as I said, and then configure your BIOS to start with the CD-ROM, so you boot from a Debian CD and rescue the root partition. Once you've done that, you can re-run lilo |
| 02:58.11 | gravity | thr: And we've always shipped with bugs visible to the end user. *always* |
| 02:58.14 | Guerin_ | nvz: what SPECIFICALLY; which wiki, which page |
| 02:58.19 | bwlang | hmm exim -bS and exim -bf dont want to accept these raw messages... anybody know how to spool them into exim? |
| 02:58.27 | nvz | Guerin_: one moment, I will pull it out of my bookmark |
| 02:58.29 | Guerin_ | nvz: I'm lazy and I don't want to have to sift |
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| 02:58.53 | gravity | Any discussion of release processes without the release team, or those very familiar with the process, is a bit silly |
| 02:58.53 | nvz | Guerin_: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?ReleaseProposals |
| 02:58.58 | holycow | nvz, why spend so much effort on the idea, do what gnome has done |
| 02:59.01 | Guerin_ | thr: the important thing to remember is that a stable debian release is not bug-free: it's a KNOWN set of bugs. |
| 02:59.01 | nvz | Guerin_: heh, understandable |
| 02:59.03 | holycow | go with a time based release cycle |
| 02:59.04 | gravity | As the majority of the release proposals have been |
| 02:59.08 | thr | Opps, sorry everyone, I think I should have read something...(the wiky maybe) I think I entered in the middle of some discussion and I may be saying things that seem nonsense |
| 02:59.18 | holycow | it will neither get the development faster nor slower... |
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| 02:59.25 | mousex | thr: typical? |
| 02:59.29 | thr | Guerin_ : No. I dont think it should be stripped. I think the release should be delayed... |
| 02:59.35 | holycow | but it will get rid of the problem you are alluding to ... its the problem of waiting for a bus |
| 02:59.42 | Guerin_ | holycow: and as a result gnome gets more and more arcane... |
| 02:59.44 | holycow | if you don't know how long till the bus arrives it seems forever |
| 02:59.45 | gravity | holycow: If all the infrastructure is in place to allow that, it can be done. This wasn't at all possible for sarge, but maybe etch if we're lucky |
| 02:59.49 | Mad-Duck | thr, gravity, guerin and others> my point of view is that debian is a really good distro because of it's flexibility, you don't need to learn a lot to install softwares, you can even choose the version and such things. So any user is able to have a stable system if he wants to |
| 02:59.54 | holycow | if you do know, then even large times of wait are okay |
| 02:59.55 | nvz | holycow: each end all solution has a side effect.. that one sacrifices stability.. people have come to depend on debian stable, and think of it as a measurement of quality or security |
| 03:00.02 | holycow | gravity, *nod* |
| 03:00.03 | initech | why is it that they are waiting for the security team to start updating sarge to freeze? would it not be easier for the security team to freeze it first? |
| 03:00.26 | holycow | Guerin_, ehe, i beg your pardon, gnome 2.8 is perfect for its target audience, as kde and other de's are for theirs |
| 03:00.37 | holycow | nvz, actually no |
| 03:00.41 | nvz | holycow: thats why I want to try start a community of thought of people interested to iron out the ideas that have been proposed and really give some realistic thought to finding the happy mediam between them all |
| 03:00.47 | gravity | initech: It's more complicated than that. There has to be some code written for the architecture maintainance scripts |
| 03:00.47 | mousex | nvz: that's very true. Most stable users stick to it because of security issues |
| 03:00.47 | holycow | time based releases neither speed anything up nor slow anything down |
| 03:00.50 | gravity | initech: The problem is that few people know them well enough to do the work |
| 03:00.54 | Guerin_ | initech: what if sarge freezes, then a massive security break is found in, say, openssh or pam. The infrastructure has to be in place to patch things like that immediately. |
| 03:00.59 | holycow | developers develop at their own pace anyway, you cant force that |
| 03:01.03 | asg | holycow: yes but OpenBSD's do come with pithy songs |
| 03:01.05 | nvz | mousex: people run production systems on stable and depend on it.. |
| 03:01.07 | holycow | people just hate waiting for the 'official' label |
| 03:01.12 | gravity | This is debian's perpetual problem. High-skill requirements hold up things. It's not a question of mass, it's a question of ability |
| 03:01.17 | initech | Guerin_: isn't this why debian reccomends only stable? |
| 03:01.18 | Guerin_ | holycow: its taregt audience being 'people who like gnome' |
| 03:01.19 | mousex | nvz: well, sane people anyway |
| 03:01.24 | dan2 | asg: ok, sweet, now I have a beefy async ipc system |
| 03:01.25 | Phated | Debian has no problem, damnit. |
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| 03:01.35 | holycow | Guerin_, precisely, to wit as that applies to all products |
| 03:01.35 | dan2 | asg: I'm calling it Mailbox |
| 03:01.38 | initech | Guerin_: why do the developers have to be responsible for sarge being stable, when it is not? |
| 03:01.41 | gravity | Phated: That's just silly. We've got plenty of problems. |
| 03:01.46 | asg | dan2: hah :) |
| 03:01.48 | dan2 | asg: stores the events and I can get it at a later time |
| 03:01.54 | Guerin_ | initech: that's what a freeze is. No changes. |
| 03:01.58 | holycow | nvz i know what you are getting at, i don't think its really a problem |
| 03:02.01 | Phated | gravity: It was a joke, but nevermind. |
| 03:02.03 | holycow | debian is as up to date as any distro |
| 03:02.05 | dan2 | asg: vs. blocking the whole thread to run sync with the other thread |
| 03:02.10 | Guerin_ | holycow: irrelevant bullshit. |
| 03:02.16 | holycow | all that people are complaining about is having a little 'official' sticker on it |
| 03:02.20 | gravity | Phated: Ok, you never know around here :-) |
| 03:02.21 | nvz | but like I said, we should perhaps start a new channel where such issues could be disgussed and not clog up #debian ;) |
| 03:02.24 | holycow | Guerin_, heh, no sorry |
| 03:02.28 | Mad-Duck | anyway, who can suggest a better distro than debian? ok there may be some little problems, but the whole thing is really great (sorry for my english) |
| 03:02.42 | dan2 | asg: just added a function, is_empty to see if the mailbox is empty or not and I'll use it to run through it |
| 03:02.54 | nvz | holycow: its not _yet_ |
| 03:02.56 | Phated | If we thought another distro was better... Would we be on #debian? |
| 03:02.57 | holycow | Mad-Duck, well gentoo users could for one :) even tho i disagree with them |
| 03:03.16 | holycow | nvz, what? up to date? |
| 03:03.22 | holycow | your joking right? |
| 03:03.24 | Guerin_ | holycow: don't be sorry; just stop the handwaving and say something material. |
| 03:03.27 | asg | Phated: everyone else shows up here ;) |
| 03:03.39 | Phated | asg: Even the RH idiots... Agreed. |
| 03:03.39 | nvz | holycow: but the people actually making debian are being stretched thinner and thinner.. the new people comming in from ubuntu and shit filing useless bugs arent helping.. they are just wearing us more thin.. |
| 03:03.41 | holycow | Guerin_, let your wife back on the computer, she makes more sense |
| 03:03.47 | Xenguy | I'll give you an example - it's hard to convince people at work to have a look at setting up a debian mirror (they're all ga-ga over Fedora right now) when the 'stable' tree is 2 years old :-/ |
| 03:03.47 | mousex | Has it ever occurred to you guys that the "official" and "stable" issues have more to do with the always-changing nature of free software? Since Debian is made up of pure free software, it must always change, so making it stable is like taking a snapshot of stable versions of all that software, which is too complicated. Perhaps Debian would be better off without any stable releases . . . |
| 03:03.58 | nvz | holycow: its a good idea to think ahead for the future of the project |
| 03:03.59 | Guerin_ | holycow: for people who are prepared to be gnome sheep, gnome is fine. For people who actually like control of their own computers, it's not. |
| 03:04.10 | mousex | . . . or maybe I just made no sense whatsoever |
| 03:04.11 | holycow | nvz, ah, i wasn't aware of those issues, *nod* got a url? |
| 03:04.15 | Guerin_ | holycow: if you're going to insult me, at least do a decent job of it. |
| 03:04.21 | dan2 | asg: funny how C++ books were all about Stacks and Fraction classes, but I never used them in C++ except using vector |
| 03:04.23 | initech | mousex: yes it is. the operative word is "stable", meaning "dependable" |
| 03:04.29 | holycow | Guerin_, *sigh* i don't even haveto, your navel gazing is obvious |
| 03:04.32 | dan2 | asg: in ocaml they are called Queues and I use them all the time |
| 03:04.43 | asg | dan2: standard algorithm stuff |
| 03:04.45 | dan2 | asg: probably because its a pita to store data in ocaml |
| 03:04.48 | holycow | you magically manage to be correct and absolutely wrong at the same time |
| 03:04.49 | mousex | initech: so "stable" = "dependable" |
| 03:04.51 | Guerin_ | holycow: ??? |
| 03:04.53 | initech | mousex: i don't care what any nitwit tell you, or about your own anecdotal experience, sarge is not, in any sense, stable |
| 03:05.02 | mago | Oh, Debian, how much I love you. |
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| 03:05.06 | Mad-Duck | mousex> no stable release? and people who need stability? do have to choose something else than debian? |
| 03:05.06 | herbi | look at this |
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| 03:05.10 | asg | dan2: you can skim the first 5 chapters of any programming book if you've ever written code. |
| 03:05.13 | herbi | http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Countries-that-refuse-US-immunity-face-aid-cuts/2004/12/10/1102625502044.html |
| 03:05.16 | mousex | initech: I'm not saying it is |
| 03:05.17 | gravity | mousex: The idea has been shot down pretty handily. I think joey's blog mentioned something about it. |
| 03:05.28 | holycow | Guerin_, do we need to go over demographic groups, reasons for using computers and why you don't belong to most of the aforementioned? |
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| 03:05.33 | mousex | yeah, well |
| 03:05.36 | dan2 | asg: this is true, and it wasn't an exception with this book, however, in its volume 2 it wasn't true |
| 03:05.40 | nvz | holycow: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?ReleaseProposals , is just some proposals of how to fix the release.. but what I am talking about is looking at these, and trying to make a channel to actually discuss the pros and cons and try come up with minor adjustments that will make the work everyone does more effective.. we either need to slow down the growth, gain more help, or learn to be more effecient, as time progresses |
| 03:05.43 | dan2 | asg: I hadn't explored ipc much before |
| 03:05.45 | holycow | we do have secretaries using computers, albeit to your behest |
| 03:05.48 | Phated | "Oh, Debian, how do I love thee? Let me count the ways. I love you as much as the number of packages you have. My love grows the same way your number of CDs grows." |
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| 03:05.52 | dan2 | asg: not until I use it all the time |
| 03:05.53 | asg | dan2: ah |
| 03:06.04 | nvz | holycow: or as I think, a little of all 3 |
| 03:06.05 | Mad-Duck | Phated> :) |
| 03:06.08 | Phated | "My love is as strong as apt-get install." |
| 03:06.11 | dan2 | asg: ok, my boss is gonna be happy if I get this finished tomorrow |
| 03:06.12 | Guerin_ | holycow: no. What I'm saying is that the gnome method of development (increase developer control at the cost of user control) is very poorly suited to debin indeed. |
| 03:06.19 | mousex | Phated: elizabeth was actually aiming at quality and not quantity in that poem . . . |
| 03:06.21 | asg | Phated: do some Whitman |
| 03:06.27 | holycow | Guerin_, thats a valid point |
| 03:06.27 | gravity | That's the problem with these discussions. It's a lot of noise by people who aren't really involved with the release process to know what's going on. That's why joeyh made the wiki, to prevent repeat ideas |
| 03:06.30 | Phated | asg: Don't know. |
| 03:06.45 | Xenguy | Phated: /me whispers... Leaves of Grass ;-) |
| 03:06.48 | Phated | mousex: *blank stare* It was a parody. It was not meant to be accurate. |
| 03:06.49 | bwlang | ah - in case anybody cares the command to send mail directly is exim -t |
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| 03:06.58 | nvz | gravity: yeah, well I am saying lets just make a channel and BS about the ideas on the wiki and see if anything good comes of it ;) |
| 03:07.02 | mousex | Phated: :) |
| 03:07.03 | holycow | Guerin_, your assuming that the user is a power user, i'm thinking litterally our secretary at work, for whom gnome is perfect |
| 03:07.16 | asg | dan2: the boss is going to be happy if I show up tomorrow. |
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| 03:07.21 | holycow | nvz, oh you started that? |
| 03:07.24 | nvz | gravity: good ideas often come from the hottest flame wars.. |
| 03:07.28 | dan2 | asg: I don't have school tomorrow |
| 03:07.31 | dan2 | asg: :) |
| 03:07.33 | holycow | heh :) i ran into that on the user linux mailing list :) |
| 03:07.34 | nvz | holycow: no I just read it the other day and thought its note-worthy |
| 03:07.41 | holycow | yes *nod* |
| 03:07.45 | dan2 | asg: gotten a lot of work done being at home? |
| 03:07.50 | gravity | nvz: That's fair, but unfortunately I've seen too many of these discussions and nothing has come out of them except the admonition of "Do the work and prove it works!" aj did it with testing. Talking about it gets you nowhere. |
| 03:07.52 | nvz | holycow: think perhaps we should have some open discussion about it |
| 03:07.52 | asg | dan2: I do; need to prepare to migrate our moodle instances to a new home. |
| 03:08.03 | Guerin_ | holycow: why should debian cater to the lowest common denominator? |
| 03:08.14 | initech | gravity: it can stop people from repeating memes like "debian is too big" |
| 03:08.16 | holycow | Guerin_, what does gnome haveto do with debian? |
| 03:08.17 | mousex | nvz: sometimes wikis also get a lot of flaming, and can probe not so productive |
| 03:08.28 | Guerin_ | holycow: you brought it up, not me. |
| 03:08.35 | mousex | nvz: tried that for X in debianhelp.org . . . |
| 03:08.39 | gravity | initech: I wish :-) |
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| 03:09.07 | holycow | i'm not asking you to use it, your questioning the existence of gnome by mixing up the 'why' and for 'whom' in the question |
| 03:09.07 | initech | gravity: well, the number of arches is a factor. But it is perhaps intractable |
| 03:09.16 | thr | initech: I wasn't complaining about it being big because of its size... I was pointing that by being big it's harder to mantain as an whole coerent thing.... |
| 03:09.17 | nvz | mousex: yeah but when I was sitting there reading the wiki, I thought of opinions I could have posted.. but in a live discussion ideas are able to be molded better and you can change your opinion in light of new ideas more quickly |
| 03:09.34 | mousex | nvz: i guess |
| 03:09.34 | initech | thr: i know. and i don't agree |
| 03:09.38 | gravity | initech: The number of archs hasn't really been a release blocker yet. It does take work to support them, true, but it's never been shown to be a release blocking issue |
| 03:09.43 | dan2 | asg: its kinda funny how while loops don't scale very well in ocaml |
| 03:09.47 | holycow | a) debian has nothing to do with gnome b) gnome has a target audience, clearly you are not it c) debians existence has nothing to do with gnomes existence or and relation to lowest common denominator |
| 03:09.48 | nvz | mousex: I think just different users with different opinions and reasons for choosing debian will bring forth ideas that wouldnt be seen on the wiki |
| 03:09.58 | dan2 | asg: it almost always makes more sense to make a tail-recursion function to do it |
| 03:09.59 | gravity | initech: The closest we came to that is with d-i, but the other archs stepped up and finished their sides of the installer, so they can ship |
| 03:10.11 | asg | dan2: hmmm |
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| 03:10.26 | mousex | nvz: but I thought wikis were visited by a more diverse audience |
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| 03:10.29 | initech | gravity: ok, more specifically, it causes dated software to end up in stable, since all the work needed could not be done on time. think about X |
| 03:10.39 | asg | dan2: anyhow, I've got to get some sleep. Take care. |
| 03:10.48 | gravity | initech: For X, that's very very true, but I can't think of other cases really |
| 03:10.58 | initech | gravity: X is huge! |
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| 03:11.08 | gravity | initech: Hopefully with the changes going on over at X.org/Freedesktop that'll change |
| 03:11.19 | gravity | initech: They're ripping out large chunks of the codebase and re-doing them |
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| 03:11.59 | nvz | mousex: yeah, well I am talking about perhaps starting a channel where open discussion about the things effecting the future of debian could be held, not for any official purpose, but to make sure eveyone has a chance to have their thoughts flamed to "well-done" before they go sending letters upstream or posting on the wiki or such |
| 03:12.01 | mousex | I'm trying to install a kernel I compiled, but I get this error: can't open libdl.so.2: no such file. However, /lib/libdl.so.2 points to /lib/libdl-2.3.2.so, so it's there. |
| 03:12.11 | gravity | initech: And X is huge, but if that's the price we pay for having such wide support, then that's the way it is |
| 03:12.19 | Guerin_ | holycow: you advocated debian's adoption of gnome's time-based release strategy. I observed that this was a contributing factor to gnome's annoyance factor amongst experienced users; because it pitches to the lowest common denominator of users. My point is that if adopting a time-based release schedule results in a similar dubming-down of debian, then it's a bad idea and should be opposed. |
| 03:12.20 | gravity | initech: If it was a lot more packages, I'd be worried |
| 03:12.28 | mousex | nvz: ok, I see your point now. |
| 03:12.36 | thr | One of the problems of most distros is a lack of "polish" of integration... And I think debian suffers, in some aspects, of this.... packages are great, self-contained and quickly fixed, complete pieces of mastership... but placed togheter they sometimes are incoerent.... Altough I must say I have felt much less of this since I tried sarge.... and since I started looking at the "suggests" packages :-) |
| 03:12.39 | initech | gravity: i don't mind that. But it's useful to identify the source of problems |
| 03:12.49 | Guerin_ | Why the fuck am I having to explain this? Simple parallel allegory isn't rocket science. |
| 03:12.50 | mousex | nvz: and I think it's a great way to let only the great ideas go up to official requests |
| 03:12.52 | gravity | Guerin_: A time-based schedule might be very good for Debian, but it doesn't have to be on a 6 month schedule |
| 03:13.12 | initech | gravity: but supporting the old motorola chips ... i don't see the point in that at all myself |
| 03:13.30 | holycow | Guerin_, lol, no. your clearly trolling so i'll just leave it at that. there is no relationship between time based development and gnomes development roadmap. however, there is a clear relationship between your not liking gnome and making arbitrary arguments. your free to do so, carry on. |
| 03:13.38 | initech | gravity: 16 months would be nice |
| 03:13.41 | gravity | initech: Well, in all honesty, I watched a lot of the work being done for the latest X packages |
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| 03:13.46 | mousex | gravity: the problem with a time schedule is that since nobody in debian gets paid, they might just not care about getting things done from time to time |
| 03:13.56 | gravity | initech: And the multiple archs weren't the problem at all. It was pure packaging work, testing, etc |
| 03:13.56 | nvz | mousex: well like I said, reading that wiki, some of the proposals and the thought of them being actually considered had me more than motivated to respond.. but being able to realisticly discuss them with other users would have my thoughts more mature before I actually responded. |
| 03:14.07 | Guerin_ | gravity: I think a release, nominally, every n months, is a great guideline. I don't think it should ever be strict. I think the focus on quality over quantity is important. |
| 03:14.09 | gravity | initech: Not to mention the enormous number of x86 bugs that had to be fixed |
| 03:14.12 | holycow | mousex, all time based development says what gets cut off at a certain time |
| 03:14.24 | holycow | time based development mandates nothing in terms of workload |
| 03:14.26 | gravity | mousex: Then they miss getting their pet project in to that release. That's how it works. Big deal. |
| 03:14.26 | Guerin_ | holycow: no, you've missed my point entirely. |
| 03:14.28 | initech | gravity: c'mon, X probably takes 3 months to compile on a 6800 :) |
| 03:14.33 | stew | Guerin_: exactly |
| 03:14.34 | mousex | holycow: what if there was nothing stable by the end of the scheduled release? |
| 03:14.39 | nvz | mousex: alot of people overreact on an emotional level to things like that.. I think gathering to let the emotions out in a heated discussion will allow the better ideas to surface, like you said |
| 03:14.44 | gravity | Guerin_: Agreed, but I think it needs to be more strict when the infrastructure is in place |
| 03:14.46 | holycow | the problem you solve with time based development is having a predictable release cycle, thats about it |
| 03:14.53 | gravity | initech: Seriously, sign up for -x and have a look |
| 03:14.57 | holycow | mousex, small feature release |
| 03:14.57 | Guerin_ | gravity: more strict than it is now? Abslutely. |
| 03:15.03 | mousex | nvz: hum . . . :) |
| 03:15.06 | Guerin_ | s/slut/solut/ |
| 03:15.11 | gravity | initech: Yeah, it's an issue, but it's not the only issue by any means with X. The X codebase is crufty and problematic |
| 03:15.23 | mousex | holycow: but then, that becomes just silly |
| 03:15.24 | zirikili | asg: dovecot is working fine. :) |
| 03:15.35 | initech | gravity: well yeah, but that is going away, so ... |
| 03:15.39 | holycow | mousex, in an extreme case perhaps :) |
| 03:15.45 | Guerin | that's better |
| 03:15.54 | mousex | holycow: extremes are just as probable . . . |
| 03:16.03 | mousex | holycow: not really |
| 03:16.09 | holycow | mousex, i dont think so |
| 03:16.15 | mousex | holycow: :) |
| 03:16.19 | nvz | so what do we call it #debian-future, or what ... heh its got to imply that its not an official channel, but a place to compare ideas *shrugs* |
| 03:16.20 | holycow | i've watched testing development ... its quite rapid |
| 03:16.36 | holycow | in terms of debians development pace and history... its got a good stead track record |
| 03:16.39 | gravity | Just don't call it #debian-release |
| 03:16.43 | nvz | heh |
| 03:16.43 | mousex | #debian-ideas |
| 03:16.56 | mago | Why God doesn't work in debian packages to reach every distro exactly arises when we want? |
| 03:16.57 | holycow | where we get into release shifting is waiting for features instead of tossing them |
| 03:17.00 | mousex | something catchy, but easy to type and to remember . . . |
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| 03:17.31 | holycow | basically if you freeze debian every 6 months or 12 months, you get a pretty good whack of packages |
| 03:17.32 | holycow | but |
| 03:17.42 | holycow | in comparison, woody to sarge is a huuuuge change |
| 03:17.53 | mousex | holycow, but that's not always going to happen |
| 03:18.03 | holycow | mousex, sure, but so far it has |
| 03:18.19 | mousex | holycow: was that also the case from potato to woody? |
| 03:18.33 | holycow | i don't remember potato very well at all actually |
| 03:18.44 | mousex | nvz: #debian-antidisaster :) |
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| 03:18.57 | romulo | Dec 10 00:22:24 doll modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 03:19.04 | romulo | this could cause a crash on the system? |
| 03:19.12 | useruser | mousex: from what little I remember it wasn't such a big leap at al |
| 03:19.14 | useruser | all |
| 03:19.26 | mousex | useruser: didn't think so |
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| 03:20.03 | Lord-Phoenix | can someone tell me how to install shadow passwords POST install? |
| 03:20.17 | nvz | Lord-Phoenix: you can always run base-config again |
| 03:20.22 | mago | <nvz>Do you really think that a marvellous idea is to switch a channel and talk about debian in that way your are talking about? |
| 03:20.37 | nvz | Lord-Phoenix: it tells you that when it boots the first time, that you can run it again at a later date |
| 03:20.38 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:20.58 | z36ra | howdy! |
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| 03:21.37 | Mad-Duck | Lord-Phoenix> just run base-config in root |
| 03:21.49 | jvives | need help!!! pliz, I was upgrading samba and it get stuck when it tries to star smbd, please help me, I don't know what to do, or why does that happen! |
| 03:22.02 | mousex | anyone knows how to get dpkg to know where libdl.so.2 is? |
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| 03:22.44 | jetscreamer | just run base-config |
| 03:23.03 | jvives | who where u talking to? |
| 03:23.06 | mousex | jvives: what error message does it give? |
| 03:23.12 | jvives | none |
| 03:23.18 | jvives | just get stuck |
| 03:23.30 | jvives | like waiting for something |
| 03:23.33 | nvz | mago: well all I am saying is the project has tremendous momentum and it is attracting alot of attention, and the people who are actually doing the amazing work are being streched thin.. I think giving a specific place for people less informed to have their lame emotion-driven ideas flamed will sort out those who have the potential to actually move the project into the future... and its clearly discussion that doesnt belong in large doses in here |
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| 03:24.03 | mousex | jvives: try restarting your system . . . that solves problems with servers somethimes |
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| 03:24.16 | jvives | I'm gonna try, brb |
| 03:24.19 | doub | hi there |
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| 03:24.33 | Mad-Duck | hi doub |
| 03:24.45 | mousex | hola doub! |
| 03:24.49 | joe666 | hi, I have an issue with alsa and udev, udev is not creating the proper /dev entries even when the alsa modules are loaded and no oss module support is built into my custom vanilla kernel |
| 03:25.09 | z36ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.22 | mousex | z36ra: too late, he already rebooted |
| 03:25.36 | Mad-Duck | z36ra> smbd i think |
| 03:25.44 | z36ra | oh yeah |
| 03:26.02 | mousex | joe666: what kernel version is it? |
| 03:26.04 | Eklipz | im trying to install something, and it sells me that "gtk+-2.0" not found, and that "the command gtk-config" was not found in my $PATH"... is there a package I can get from apt that will resolve this issue? |
| 03:26.10 | mousex | joe666: uname -r |
| 03:26.24 | joe666 | mousex, 2.6.9 |
| 03:26.29 | z36ra | well I dont see why you need to restart the server by rebooting... this is linux we are talking about, right? |
| 03:26.43 | Mad-Duck | Eklipz> gtk-dev? i think gtk-config is in it |
| 03:26.55 | mousex | joe666: you'll need to recompile it and change the .config file so it includes the OSS and ALSA modules |
| 03:27.08 | Eklipz | ok, thanks, ill try it... i searched apt-cache and there were about 100 files that matched, i wasnt sure what i needed |
| 03:27.19 | joe666 | mousex, ah!, do you know why is this necessary ? |
| 03:27.24 | mousex | z36ra: just to be sure . . . who knows what else he upgraded |
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| 03:27.47 | mousex | joe666: if you don't have the modules, then yes. But if you still have the header files, then you can probably just compile the modules |
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| 03:27.58 | joe666 | mousex, oss modules are blacklisted in hotplug anyway |
| 03:28.12 | mousex | joe666: but alsa's? |
| 03:28.13 | Eklipz | gtk-dev isnt a package |
| 03:28.29 | z36ra | oh hell mousex... lemme take another swig of "pardon my whiskey" |
| 03:28.30 | joe666 | mousex, no, I have not any module nor support for the oss in my custom kernel |
| 03:28.39 | joe666 | mousex, alsa modules are alredy there |
| 03:28.59 | joe666 | mousex, actually they load, is just that udev does not create /dev/snd/ |
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| 03:29.06 | mousex | z36ra: I don't mean to kill your ideas . . . I'm just trying to reason to reason through mine |
| 03:29.30 | doub | !dfind gtk-config |
| 03:29.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-config' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/gtk-config) in libdevel/libgtk1.2-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtk1.2-doc/gtk-config.txt.gz) in doc/libgtk1.2-doc. |
| 03:29.50 | mousex | joe666: uh, I see. In that case, I have no idea |
| 03:29.55 | mousex | joe666: :( |
| 03:30.19 | Eklipz | is libgtk1.2-dev what i n eed? |
| 03:30.23 | doub | Eklipz: maybe libgtk1.2-dev then |
| 03:30.26 | joe666 | mousex, thanks a lot anyway, I'll google a little about it |
| 03:30.34 | Eklipz | maybe.. but the program says i need gtk2+ |
| 03:31.02 | z36ra | now here's a question-- whats the most searched phrase on the net? |
| 03:31.13 | mousex | common people, somebody here sure went through the "cannot open shared object file" problem before! libdl.so.2, anyone? |
| 03:31.14 | z36ra | and i DONT know |
| 03:31.46 | Vigilanty | can anybody help me install a certain app? |
| 03:32.20 | nvz | Vigilanty: well, I certainly, wouldnt help you install an uncertain app |
| 03:32.31 | z36ra | hmmhmm |
| 03:32.34 | mousex | :) |
| 03:32.46 | Vigilanty | it's somethin called ezquake... |
| 03:32.52 | Vigilanty | know anything about it? |
| 03:32.54 | Mad-Duck | when i run dpkg -i kernel-image-<version><custom>.deb for installing a kernel i compiled it tells me that /lib/modules/<version><custom> already exist (wich is normal since it's not the first kernel i compile) and ask me what to do, so my question is: what should i do? keep it (it's the same kernel with some modifications) or backup it? |
| 03:32.58 | mousex | Vigilanty: what's the problem with it? |
| 03:33.04 | mousex | !ezquake |
| 03:33.08 | Vigilanty | i dunno how to install it. |
| 03:33.16 | Mad-Duck | is my english good enough to be understoud? |
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| 03:33.59 | cafuego | Mad-Duck: what? |
| 03:34.02 | Vigilanty | help... |
| 03:34.05 | Lord-Phoenix | hey i want to install shadow passwords post install, and i tried re-running base-config and selecting the configure passwords and users option, but nothing happened |
| 03:34.06 | doub | Mad-Duck: move it to another directory (say add '.old' at the end) just in case your new kernel does not work |
| 03:34.09 | nvz | Mad-Duck: I havent read your issue yet, but your english seems to be good. |
| 03:34.22 | Biovore | I would probably backup the modules directory and try again.. |
| 03:34.25 | cafuego | Mad-Duck: Just tell it to overwrite it. |
| 03:34.30 | Eklipz | i think i fixed the problem with gtk2... i found out there is a libgtk2.0-dev |
| 03:34.31 | Vonderbecke | Anyone know if there is an issue with SB Audigy and 2.6.7 in debian? When I do an lspci it shows up as an unknown creative labs card though I read that it should show up as an audigy, and alsa does not recognize the card :\ |
| 03:34.33 | Eklipz | it looks like thats the one |
| 03:34.37 | Mad-Duck | doub> ok thanks that's what i wanted to know |
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| 03:35.01 | Eklipz | and it works |
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| 03:35.14 | Inept | hi |
| 03:35.19 | {xmb} | how come there aint a bview package? only bvi contains a bview, which is just a link to bvi |
| 03:35.21 | nvz | Inept: not yet, but I am working on it. |
| 03:35.26 | nvz | Inept: how about you? |
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| 03:35.32 | mousex | Vigilanty: are you trying to install build 938? |
| 03:35.37 | Vigilanty | 1010 |
| 03:35.50 | Mad-Duck | nvz> turing? |
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| 03:35.56 | Vigilanty | but I'll take whatever works. |
| 03:36.21 | mwilson | {xmb}: Why aren't there any number of packages? |
| 03:36.28 | z36ra | vonder: I only got it to work once and couldnt do it again with a reinstall. |
| 03:36.29 | Inept | i'm having very low glxgears FPS (about 500) on my Radeon 9600 with ATI frglx drivers. how to fix it? |
| 03:36.38 | mwilson | zooba zooba zooba |
| 03:36.41 | nvz | Mad-Duck: my enlish is probably worse than yours, and its my first language.. ;) I was refering to a test given to Artificial Intelligence programs |
| 03:36.52 | Vigilanty | lol |
| 03:37.02 | {xmb} | mwilson, yah sucky question, but bview is supposed to be around |
| 03:37.06 | Vonderbecke | z36ra: it appears to have full support in 2.6 from what im reading... |
| 03:37.08 | Vonderbecke | 0000:00:0a.0 ffff: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008 (rev ff) (prog-if ff) |
| 03:37.08 | Vonderbecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.21 | Vonderbecke | Thats what I get when i do an lspci |
| 03:37.23 | z36ra | vonder: yup I hjear ya |
| 03:37.27 | Biovore | that ID isn't correct for some reason.. |
| 03:37.43 | Mad-Duck | nvz> ho i see :) |
| 03:37.45 | {xmb} | mwilson, nm, typos on my side |
| 03:37.46 | z36ra | hear even |
| 03:38.06 | Vonderbecke | i hope the sound card isn't broken |
| 03:38.13 | Inept | is it possible bacause I don't see my chipset in fglrx/build_mod/agpgart_be.c I have VIA K8T 800 chipset but there is no such thing there |
| 03:38.21 | peterS | Vonderbecke: some sort of new audigy-like thing? |
| 03:38.26 | Vonderbecke | its an audigy, yes |
| 03:38.35 | Vonderbecke | i bought it because i read all over that it worked with alsa in 2.6.x just fine :) |
| 03:38.42 | peterS | Vonderbecke: normal audigys have id 0004 or 0007, not 0008 |
| 03:38.43 | wasabi | WHat can I use to search my systems for packages which have no apt entry? |
| 03:38.56 | Vonderbecke | peterS: its just an audigy value, in a standard retail creative labs box |
| 03:38.56 | Inept | nvz: what are talking about? |
| 03:38.58 | Vonderbecke | unless the card is broken |
| 03:39.06 | Vonderbecke | maybe the card is broken? |
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| 03:39.17 | MerlinCorey | anyone have konqueror installed that wishes to spend a second glancing at a web page for me? |
| 03:39.20 | Vonderbecke | i should plug it into a windows PC and just make sure it works |
| 03:39.21 | Mad-Duck | is it normal that when i install a new custom version of my kernel dpkg don't backup the actual one? |
| 03:39.21 | nvz | Mad-Duck: we hold debian discussion in other channels in different languages.. but I see no reason why you cant talk here if you want to speak english ;) |
| 03:39.27 | z36ra | vonder: I hope someone in here knows more than me caus I had hell geting it to work but it can be done. |
| 03:39.30 | cafuego | Mad-Duck: Yep. |
| 03:39.30 | doub | Vonderbecke: lspci output is not related to what the kernel supports |
| 03:39.41 | nvz | Mad-Duck: they let me get away with it .. hehe |
| 03:39.49 | Lord-Phoenix | does anyone know why base-config won't give me options in the users and passwords section when i rerun it after install? |
| 03:39.54 | cafuego | Mad-Duck: Coz it's the _same_ version, you're effectively _reinstalling_ it. |
| 03:39.56 | Eklipz | MerlinCorey: whats the site? |
| 03:40.01 | nvz | Inept: "hi" I believe it was? |
| 03:40.03 | Vonderbecke | ill try windows |
| 03:40.15 | Mad-Duck | nvz> i'm also on #debian-france but there is more activity here |
| 03:40.18 | MerlinCorey | Eklipz: http://www.bringbackhockey.ca (I would just install konqueror, but that's 40 megs of KDE I don't need) |
| 03:40.21 | peterS | Vonderbecke: hmmm. both the OSS and ALSA emu10k1 drivers only know about the 0004 version of the Audigy |
| 03:40.25 | MerlinCorey | just need to make sure it's all together there |
| 03:40.28 | MerlinCorey | thank you very much :) |
| 03:40.54 | Mad-Duck | cafuego> ho ok, even it's a custom.0.2 and the one i run is custom.0.1? |
| 03:41.15 | Mad-Duck | since it's custom<something> it's like the same? |
| 03:41.21 | nvz | Mad-Duck: yeah, somehow Eglish (heh) became like a universal 2nd language everywhere *shrug* |
| 03:41.54 | Mad-Duck | nvz> u're right, anyway whit computers you don't really have the choice |
| 03:42.09 | zirikili | I did run apt-get remove a package with --purge option and now I'd like to install it again. but when I run apt-get install the system says it is the newest version already and don't install it. any help? |
| 03:42.27 | cafuego | What's the Gnome cd burning shell called? |
| 03:42.35 | nvz | _shell_? |
| 03:42.42 | nvz | nautilus? |
| 03:42.52 | cafuego | nvz: By shell I mean wrapper for cdrecord |
| 03:42.53 | z36ra | hey! here's something Im dumb about--- anyone using pciX on linux? |
| 03:43.20 | z36ra | or reverse |
| 03:43.20 | nvz | cafuego: oh, no idea. gcombust is alright, nautilus does data cds now.. |
| 03:43.21 | Eklipz | MerlinCorey: rss 2.0 is a broken link |
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| 03:43.36 | MerlinCorey | Eklipz: but the design looks good in konqueror? |
| 03:43.52 | Eklipz | MerlinCorey: yes, it looks good |
| 03:44.00 | MerlinCorey | Eklipz: checking CSS compat. thanks |
| 03:44.08 | Eklipz | MerlinCorey: no problem |
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| 03:44.29 | nvz | cafuego: k3b can be a bit ignorant... but if you run its setup program as root, it usually fixes anything thats wrong |
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| 03:44.41 | cafuego | nvz: I did, an AMd running it as root |
| 03:44.46 | z36ra | is pci-express a problem with linux? |
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| 03:45.13 | cafuego | z36ra: I imagine is just shows up as agp or pci |
| 03:45.23 | cafuego | much olike agp is get another pci bus |
| 03:46.01 | initech | z36ra: i use it with a fibre HBA |
| 03:46.08 | initech | z36ra: no problems |
| 03:46.11 | cray2 | is there any way to export a pdf to a .txt using debian-sarge? |
| 03:46.14 | zoldaa | Has anyone reported a dns problem after updating testing? I lost my ability to use DNS after an update. I can't find how to fix it |
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| 03:46.43 | Mad-Duck | cafuego> so if i backup manually System-map, initrd.img and vmlinuz and update lilo it gonna be ok? |
| 03:47.07 | wasabi | WHat can I use to search my systems for packages which have no apt entry? |
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| 03:47.35 | cafuego | Mad-Duck: You also want the modules backed up in that case. or just backup the previous kernel-image-foo.deb you created. |
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| 03:47.47 | z36ra | initech: which one? how's your bandwidth? |
| 03:47.52 | cafuego | wasabi: ls /usr/local |
| 03:48.02 | wasabi | cafuego, um. |
| 03:48.07 | wasabi | cafuego, think you misunderstood. |
| 03:48.13 | wasabi | obsolete or locally installed .deb's |
| 03:48.17 | initech | z36ra: qlogic 23xx, it's quite fast |
| 03:49.10 | cafuego | wasabi: Ah, no idea. debfoster is useful, but doesn't list obsoleted stuff or stuff that was originally a local .deb. The package system doesn't make a distiction on the latter. |
| 03:49.11 | Mad-Duck | yes i moved the /lib/modules/<version> to /lib/modules/<version>.old, is it enough? don't i need to do some things in order it find it at the right place when it boot? |
| 03:50.18 | cray2 | is there any way to export a pdf to a .txt using debian-sarge? |
| 03:50.21 | cray2 | an kde |
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| 03:50.41 | Mad-Duck | cray2> copy-paste :) |
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| 03:50.45 | cray2 | ouch |
| 03:50.46 | mwilson | What would KDE have to do with it? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 03:50.48 | cray2 | there's 1400 pages |
| 03:50.55 | cray2 | copypaste would break the clipboard |
| 03:50.55 | cafuego | cray2: apt-get install pdf2text |
| 03:51.15 | cafuego | cray2: it's not perfect, but does the job in most cases. |
| 03:51.21 | z36ra | initech: so nothing for expansion besides graphics? |
| 03:51.31 | cray2 | doesnt have to be perfect as long as it puts text in |
| 03:51.32 | mwilson | pdftk is also useful in these cases. |
| 03:51.46 | Gumby_ | anyone in here familiar with nfs? I have an nfs share and my xfer speeds on it are about 4kb/s whereas samba maxes out my 100mbit LAN |
| 03:51.49 | initech | z36ra: ? pci-x is not specifically for graphics |
| 03:51.54 | Eklipz | are there any simple firewalls available for sarge? |
| 03:51.56 | nz | hey, i need to restore my grub boot loader, the parttions messed up and now my system wont boot |
| 03:51.58 | cray2 | apt-get install pdf2text returns no packages what then? |
| 03:52.09 | cafuego | cray2: apt-cache search pdf2txt |
| 03:52.12 | z36ra | initech: what card have you found? |
| 03:52.13 | mwilson | txt, not text |
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| 03:52.29 | Mad-Duck | well, it's time to test that kernel "home-made", c u soon i hope :) |
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| 03:52.40 | cray2 | nothing found cafuego |
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| 03:52.50 | nz | i'm using knoppix rite now, is it possible for me to restore my boot loader from here? |
| 03:52.55 | cray2 | nz: yes, it is |
| 03:52.55 | initech | z36ra: i don't understand your question ... there are scsi and fiber hba's that are pci-x |
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| 03:53.08 | cray2 | nz: you must chroot. and mount /proc and /dev to the chroot. |
| 03:53.18 | nz | cray2, could you help me out ? i havent got a clue what to do |
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| 03:53.24 | cafuego | xpdf-utils: /usr/bin/pdftotext |
| 03:53.35 | z36ra | initech: im dumb... |
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| 03:54.09 | z36ra | interesting |
| 03:54.30 | mwilson | cray2: And that would be because...? |
| 03:55.04 | z36ra | initech: whats the cost? send me a link. |
| 03:55.22 | nakata | distempr: joozy :) |
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| 03:55.45 | glick | scuse me, does anyone know how i can play wmv files with totem? |
| 03:56.04 | nakata | wmv format is supported in xine |
| 03:56.13 | nakata | the rest depends on the a/v codec |
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| 03:56.22 | initech | z36ra: a lot. a whole lot. the cards and motherboards are $$$, but what you attach to them dwarfs that |
| 03:56.36 | nakata | (totem uses the xine engine, i believe) |
| 03:56.48 | initech | z36ra: qlogic.com |
| 03:57.07 | nz | cray2,can you help me ? |
| 03:57.32 | Vigilanty | can anybody help me with a program compiling problem? |
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| 03:57.58 | nz | Vigilanty, what language ? |
| 03:58.00 | cray2 | nz: sorry was afk, i believe i can as i've done it numerous times |
| 03:58.03 | cray2 | nz: do you have AIM? |
| 03:58.13 | Vigilanty | unix |
| 03:58.20 | nakata | lol |
| 03:58.23 | nz | cray2, i'm on msn messenger |
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| 03:58.33 | cray2 | nz: i'm not in windows atm so my msn isnt functioning. we'll just have to do it here |
| 03:58.47 | cray2 | nz: what's your system setup: partitions, harddrives, etc |
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| 03:58.51 | nz | cray2, you can privatemsn if you want |
| 03:59.00 | nvzn | is it normal that if i have a network card, then i install another network card (same model) that they both run at half-duplex now? |
| 03:59.03 | nz | private message * |
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| 04:00.06 | cray2 | no let's just do it here |
| 04:00.10 | nz | ok, / = /dev/hda6 /home =/dev/hda7 /swap = /dev/hda8 |
| 04:00.10 | mousex | nvzn: nope |
| 04:00.12 | cray2 | someone else may chime in with helpful information |
| 04:00.25 | nz | sure |
| 04:00.38 | cray2 | nz: ok in knoppix go to a shell. |
| 04:00.39 | nvzn | mousex yeah thats what i thought... so whats this then? a bug because they use the same driver?? |
| 04:00.45 | nz | cray2, /dev/hda1 = boot partiton |
| 04:00.51 | nz | ok |
| 04:00.52 | cray2 | nz: also do you use lilo or grub? |
| 04:01.05 | mousex | nvzn: maybe it's just a problem with DHCP or somthing |
| 04:01.08 | nz | grub |
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| 04:01.17 | nvzn | mousex no, dhcp is not enabled |
| 04:01.30 | mousex | nvzn: how are they setup, exactly? bridge? |
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| 04:01.41 | zoldaa | mousex, nvzn I'm having troubles with the network too, after I did an apt-get update |
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| 04:01.49 | nvzn | mousex nope, separate nics |
| 04:01.55 | cray2 | nz: do you use lilo or grub? |
| 04:01.55 | glick | gxine plays the file but there is no image |
| 04:01.59 | glick | only soundf |
| 04:02.01 | nz | cray2, grub |
| 04:02.06 | nvzn | mousex in fact, only one has an entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:02.07 | mousex | zoldaa: what kind of problems? |
| 04:02.09 | nvz | o.O |
| 04:02.27 | mousex | nvzn: hmmm . . . they should both have an entry, though |
| 04:02.33 | cray2 | nz: ok i'm not clear on how grub works so if you have to configure grub i really cant help but i can get you to where you need to be so that when you run grub it'll install to the boot partition. at a shell in knoppix type: |
| 04:02.37 | cray2 | mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 |
| 04:02.47 | nvz | ok.. now nvs was pushing it.. but you nz and nvzn mofo's gotta go! heh |
| 04:02.48 | nvzn | mousex not necessary i dont think, if im only using one right now... |
| 04:02.56 | nvzn | heh |
| 04:03.11 | z36ra | initech: like warm buttered spirits on a cold christamas eve.... |
| 04:03.16 | jetscreamer | bottu, lobotomize |
| 04:03.16 | bottu | jetscreamer: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:03.17 | zoldaa | mousex, nvzn I had a good internet connection, now I can't use DNS. If I know an IP address it's ok, but I can't resolve a domain name. It works fine under knoppix, and resolv.conf under knoppix shows exactly what mine does on my debian system...theres something weird wrong |
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| 04:03.30 | mousex | nvzn: try installing etherconf -- it will help you configure them almost automagically |
| 04:03.39 | Vigilanty | is there anybody available to help me understand why I'm unable to compile a certain prog??? |
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| 04:03.58 | Mad-Duck | re |
| 04:03.59 | nvzn | mousex nono, i dont need magick, i need fullduplex!! |
| 04:04.03 | nz | cray2, currently /dev/hda1 is unformatted |
| 04:04.10 | cray2 | oh |
| 04:04.18 | nvzn | nvzn sorry im afraid of this thing etherconf |
| 04:04.23 | nvzn | err |
| 04:04.25 | nvzn | mousex |
| 04:04.31 | nz | cray2, i had grub installed in the mbr |
| 04:04.32 | cray2 | try mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/hda6 |
| 04:04.38 | mousex | zoldaa: if DNS resolution got messed up, then it would be good to know your DNS servers's IPs |
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| 04:05.26 | glick | is there something special i have to install to play wmv files that im missing? |
| 04:05.29 | nz | cray2, i had to partition the disk, i think i should reload before i make any changes... so let me restart my pc, i'll be back in a few mins, is that ok ? |
| 04:05.39 | cray2 | nz: ok |
| 04:05.43 | zoldaa | mousex, nvzn I get a woerd message I don't remember as well, something about configuring the net card full duplex as an mII |
| 04:05.45 | cray2 | nz: i'll probably be in windows by then |
| 04:05.52 | nz | ok cool |
| 04:05.53 | cray2 | nz: give me your msn ID |
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| 04:05.55 | Mad-Duck | well, none of the kernel i compiled want to run correctly now, the last one is surely bad configure, but the one before was ok, and now i can't connect to the net (it tell me pppoe can't run and i may be running a 2.4.x kernel ??!!) and some other things too |
| 04:05.58 | cray2 | nz: and i'll watch for you |
| 04:06.26 | nz | cray2, did u get it ? |
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| 04:06.29 | zoldaa | mousex, I know my servers IPs, and my resolv.conf is correct. KNOPPIX autoconfigged the same exact thing and it works fine |
| 04:06.36 | cray2 | yeah |
| 04:06.38 | cray2 | fox_etc |
| 04:06.43 | nz | cray2, brb |
| 04:06.52 | nvz | !kill nz |
| 04:06.58 | nvz | ;) |
| 04:07.00 | nvz | sweet |
| 04:07.10 | nvz | that'll teach him |
| 04:07.25 | nvz | one down ... |
| 04:07.39 | nvzn | nvzn is bigger than you |
| 04:07.39 | cray2 | lol |
| 04:07.44 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:08.04 | nvz | nvzn: oh? you been around here long? I never seen you before. |
| 04:08.16 | nvzn | i been around and back |
| 04:08.19 | nvzn | :) |
| 04:08.54 | nvz | !nickmeter nvzn |
| 04:08.55 | dpkg | nvzn is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 04:08.57 | nvz | heh |
| 04:09.00 | dondelelcaro | is this the revenge of the aamost nvz but not quite? |
| 04:09.04 | nvzn | !loser |
| 04:09.04 | dpkg | methinks loser is Al Gore |
| 04:09.18 | jasonf | dpkg: no, loser is John * |
| 04:09.19 | dpkg | okay, jasonf |
| 04:09.19 | nvzn | ok |
| 04:09.21 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah.. nvs was one thing.. but this is getting ridiculous |
| 04:09.44 | nvz | dondelelcaro: looks like I got an army of clonebots or something |
| 04:09.54 | Xenguy | no a loser is a winner - Bush Boy :P |
| 04:10.45 | MerlinCorey | !politics |
| 04:10.45 | dpkg | methinks politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 04:10.58 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 04:11.12 | nvzn | anyway its easy to have a nick get duplicated when its only three letters |
| 04:11.16 | Xenguy | a math grad tried to explain binary to me on two separate occasions (WRT to IP ranges), and just so didn't get it -- I guess I didn't really want to |
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| 04:11.19 | Xenguy | ww |
| 04:11.20 | findme | !fun |
| 04:11.21 | dpkg | !find apt |
| 04:11.30 | findme | !find apt |
| 04:11.31 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'apt' (15 shown; 70 total): apt ;; apt-build ;; apt-cacher ;; apt-doc ;; apt-dpkg-ref ;; apt-file ;; apt-howto ;; apt-howto-ca ;; apt-howto-common ;; apt-howto-de ;; apt-howto-el ;; apt-howto-en ;; apt-howto-es ;; apt-howto-fr ;; apt-howto-it. |
| 04:11.45 | r00tsh3ll | someone has fasttrack packages? |
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| 04:12.22 | jasonf | !playbot |
| 04:12.22 | dpkg | well, playbot is Play with the bots too much and you'll go blind. Or they'll fall off. Or something like that. |
| 04:12.24 | Terrasque | ok, I have a wee bit of trouble here |
| 04:12.31 | glick | anyone know why xine wont show video only sound when i play wmv files on it? i thought it could play that format? |
| 04:12.32 | zoldaa | mousex, if not resolv.conf, where else is dns handled/broken? |
| 04:13.05 | cafuego | @&*T$*!@^&*$ |
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| 04:13.38 | enveezee | cafuego: heh.. this is not your perl interpreter |
| 04:14.03 | cafuego | !!! |
| 04:14.03 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 04:14.03 | Terrasque | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284990 <-- this happend to me. Downgrading sounds fine. Now, the *fun* part is, my /usr is a lvm volume, and to use apt and dpkg I have to mount /usr, and to mount /usr I need to use apt/dpkg to downgrade package |
| 04:14.07 | cafuego | "growisofs is running as root!" |
| 04:14.09 | cafuego | no shit |
| 04:14.13 | Phated | All the world is a Perl interpreter, and all humans are Perl regexps. |
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| 04:14.54 | Terrasque | Phated, that explains all the uglyness of the world, at least :-p |
| 04:15.01 | Phated | Of course it does. |
| 04:15.24 | cafuego | ooh, segfault :-) |
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| 04:15.39 | Terrasque | anyone know of a live cd that have lvm support? knoppix apparently doesn't |
| 04:15.44 | derekboy | whats # |
| 04:15.55 | mdk | is there any chance of getting the last ip adress of a deleted dyndns account ? |
| 04:15.58 | Phated | cafuego: Crash crash crash crash crash segfault ooh it's a segfault! |
| 04:15.58 | cafuego | derekboy: a hash |
| 04:16.06 | Phated | I call it a hex. |
| 04:16.11 | derekboy | its a channel, no one talks though |
| 04:16.13 | Phated | But either way. |
| 04:16.24 | derekboy | spooky |
| 04:16.26 | nz | ah, cray is not here.. |
| 04:16.51 | cafuego | Never call atoi() on a string that may be NULL |
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| 04:17.56 | amqa | cafuego: Is there a safer function than atoi() to use, or do you have ti just encapsulate it in an if? |
| 04:18.23 | derekboy | ok real question, how do i set up email, i have an mx entry pointing to mail.mysite.com is there an easy config program? |
| 04:18.50 | cafuego | amqa: it would probably not fail if you copied the getenv() results to a local string first instead of calling atoi(getenv("FOO")) |
| 04:18.51 | rei_0000 | question, where does Debian keep it's network configuration scripts? |
| 04:19.01 | cafuego | rei_0000: /etc/network |
| 04:19.09 | rei_0000 | k, thanks :) |
| 04:19.33 | amqa | cafuego: Ah, I see. So it it is an empty string it is okay, just not a NULL string |
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| 04:20.27 | Ganglehauf | [ |
| 04:21.06 | nz | i need to restore my grub boot loader from knoppix, can anyone help me ? |
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| 04:21.44 | Mad-Duck | does the kernel-image-custom.deb need to be in /usr/src/ to install corectly? or can i put it anywhere? |
| 04:21.55 | cafuego | Mad-Duck: it can be anywhere |
| 04:22.02 | Mad-Duck | ok thx |
| 04:22.08 | cafuego | Mad-Duck: Like say /usr/src/kernels/ |
| 04:22.22 | flip | anyone have sarge and apache2 installed w/ the new sites-enabled configuration for name based virtual hosts? *i cant get any virtual domains to work* |
| 04:22.26 | Mad-Duck | that's what i was thinking about :) |
| 04:22.45 | cafuego | flip: Yep, works fine. |
| 04:23.33 | mwilson | nz: STILL? |
| 04:23.49 | mwilson | nz: #knoppix |
| 04:23.50 | nz | mwilson, hey.. cray is helping me at the moment |
| 04:23.56 | cafuego | flip: You have Listen ip:port in ports.conf? |
| 04:24.00 | mwilson | nz: Obviously not. |
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| 04:24.08 | flip | cafuego oh maybe not.. lemmie check |
| 04:24.12 | notc4 | does anyone know if there is a package i can download using apt-get which contains the font tahoma or verdana? |
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| 04:24.35 | flip | cafuego Listen 80 |
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| 04:24.46 | flip | cafuego and then i start each snippet w/ <VirtualHost *> |
| 04:24.50 | flip | should it be *:80? |
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| 04:25.00 | mwilson | notc4: Can't you get them from your Windows box? |
| 04:25.01 | jasonf | flip: yes |
| 04:25.10 | cafuego | flip: You're missing 'NameVirtualHost *:80' then |
| 04:25.14 | derekboy | how do i set up a mail server? |
| 04:25.16 | notc4 | i dont have a windows box |
| 04:25.19 | notc4 | so no |
| 04:25.21 | mwilson | Sure you don't. |
| 04:25.28 | cafuego | flip: My NameVirtualHost directives are in httpd.conf |
| 04:25.30 | notc4 | ummm k |
| 04:25.44 | mwilson | derekboy: For? |
| 04:25.47 | flip | cafuego ah ok |
| 04:25.59 | flip | apache2.conf you mean? |
| 04:26.03 | derekboy | a domain name, i have a mx entry pointing to mail.mysite.com |
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| 04:26.41 | derekboy | and in mail setup on debian i press 1, mysite.com, enter, enter, enter, derek |
| 04:26.59 | notc4 | k, well do u know of a package which contains the font |
| 04:27.02 | derekboy | i don't know what to do next |
| 04:27.09 | notc4 | cuz i dont have a windows box, so i cant do it that wya |
| 04:27.10 | notc4 | way |
| 04:27.15 | setup | Hi, i want to know whether there is any wireless activity in my area ... specifically, I want to know whether there is a way to tell whether there is anyone with the necessary hardware capable of sniffing my wireless network in my area. Is this possible? |
| 04:27.16 | cafuego | flip: no, in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf :-) |
| 04:27.22 | Biovore | you want to test the mail server derekboy? |
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| 04:27.44 | derekboy | i have configured anything, username etc |
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| 04:28.09 | Biovore | this like a big mail server or a just a localbox email server? |
| 04:28.31 | derekboy | not big, just so i can have a few users @mysite.com |
| 04:28.37 | derekboy | yes, i guess big |
| 04:28.39 | mwilson | Oh, great... the gtklp maintainer has also gone insane. |
| 04:28.42 | Mad-Duck | does it cause problem if i compile two versions af the same kernel at the same time? |
| 04:28.56 | Biovore | may want to go with postfix.. but thats just a opinion.. |
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| 04:29.32 | Joris | Mad-Duck: if the source trees are different, the only problem will be overheating |
| 04:29.35 | Biovore | if you when though the config like you said it should be good to go.. |
| 04:29.35 | mwilson | <sigh> Yet another package using the broken GTK 2.4 file selector... |
| 04:29.37 | scarynetworkguy | Postfix rules. |
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| 04:30.11 | derekboy | Biovore, does that allow for pop and smtp connections? |
| 04:30.13 | Mad-Duck | JoeX> the source tree is the same... i guess in that case you're going to tell me it WILL cause problems |
| 04:30.21 | Biovore | thats smtp |
| 04:30.22 | Joris | setup: lots of hardware is capable of sniffing wlans, see the kismet page on hardware |
| 04:30.25 | Mad-Duck | Joris sorry |
| 04:30.32 | Biovore | you need a pop server to do pop access |
| 04:30.35 | derekboy | need pop |
| 04:30.38 | Biovore | or imap.. depends what you want |
| 04:30.46 | Biovore | there's qpopper |
| 04:30.51 | nvzn | enveezee dont envee nvzn |
| 04:30.59 | mwilson | Hm, chkrootkit maintainer is insane as well. |
| 04:31.04 | nvzn | anyway im gone so you can own the first three letters |
| 04:31.12 | enveezee | nvzn: heh |
| 04:31.19 | Joris | Mad-Duck: I honestly don't know, but it will probably be as fast to compile them sequentiall, so .. |
| 04:31.37 | Mad-Duck | Joris> yes you must be right |
| 04:31.42 | setup | Joris: but will i be able to tell (using Kismet) whether there is hardware sniffing networks in my area? |
| 04:31.46 | Biovore | derekboy: you can test to see of the smtp port is working by using telnet 127.0.0.1:25 |
| 04:31.48 | Mad-Duck | that was a stupid question |
| 04:32.08 | Joris | setup: that depends on the sniffing technique |
| 04:32.14 | Biovore | problem is, remote uses wont be able to send mail though the default config |
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| 04:32.31 | Joris | setup: most of the simple (usually windows) programs are perfectly detectable |
| 04:32.38 | derekboy | could not resolve |
| 04:32.42 | Joris | setup: but some others are entirely passive (like kismet itself) |
| 04:32.54 | setup | Joris: right, I'll take a look at Kismet then. Thanks |
| 04:33.01 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. anyone know why debian's sendmail would be giving these errors? "iBA58jaF008574: SYSERR(root): collect: Cannot write ./dfiBA58jaF008574 (bfcommit, uid=101, gid=101): Permission denied" |
| 04:33.08 | Biovore | 127.0.0.1 dosn't resolve? |
| 04:33.34 | derekboy | 127.0.0.1 says connection refused |
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| 04:33.55 | Biovore | exim isn't configured to accept outside mail then.. |
| 04:33.59 | Joris | CaT[tm]: it sais right there, it can't write to wherever it wants to store the message |
| 04:34.05 | Mad-Duck | CaT[tm]> because you Cannot write ./dfiBA58jaF008574 (bfcommit, uid=101, gid=101): Permission denied ... no? |
| 04:34.22 | enveezee | I wonder... pisg or more specifically Piggy, recognises a user by their host and uses the first nick it knows.. so when I use another nick on the same host, does it record what I say as the nick it knows me by |
| 04:34.24 | Biovore | derekboy: you doing that from the box its self.. |
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| 04:34.37 | scarynetworkguy | CaT[tm]: It's Loki's way of telling you to use Postfix. |
| 04:35.01 | derekboy | yes |
| 04:35.24 | derekboy | not root though |
| 04:35.38 | derekboy | same with root |
| 04:36.52 | Biovore | is the process running? (exim) |
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| 04:37.14 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 04:37.14 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 04:37.50 | derekboy | i looked under gnome program monitor and don't see it, so i don't think it is |
| 04:37.52 | CaT[tm] | joy. but having checked all the directories (mqueue, mqueue-client, /var/mail, /tmp) they all appear right and thesame as working system |
| 04:38.23 | Biovore | run /etc/init.d/exim4 start |
| 04:38.36 | derekboy | i don't think i have exim4, just exim |
| 04:38.49 | derekboy | should i uninstall and install 4 |
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| 04:38.56 | Biovore | woody? |
| 04:39.06 | derekboy | upgraded to sarge |
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| 04:39.17 | Biovore | ok.. |
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| 04:39.28 | Hellsing | Hi has anyone ever used exokernels in linux ? |
| 04:39.39 | Biovore | sarge uses exim4 I think |
| 04:39.45 | derekboy | so i should change |
| 04:39.45 | Mad-Duck | exokernels? what is it? |
| 04:39.47 | nz | hey, what command do i issue to make grun reinstall to the mbr ? |
| 04:40.02 | Hellsing | Mad-Duck its a kernel developed by the MIT |
| 04:40.04 | Biovore | exim should work too.. shouldn't make a differance.. |
| 04:40.15 | Biovore | run /etc/init.d/exim start |
| 04:40.20 | Biovore | if it exsist |
| 04:40.21 | derekboy | done |
| 04:40.30 | Hellsing | currently it compiles under linux and openbsd and probably under freebsd and netbsd |
| 04:40.34 | Biovore | now telnet 127.0.0.1:25 |
| 04:40.35 | Mad-Duck | Hellsing> ok thx for the knowledge :) |
| 04:40.40 | Hellsing | So has anyone used them ? |
| 04:40.46 | Hellsing | no problem |
| 04:40.48 | cafuego | Well, you could always upgrade to postfix. |
| 04:41.01 | karsten | Mad-Duck: Martin? |
| 04:41.05 | cafuego | I really do wonder why exim4 was decided on as a default. |
| 04:41.11 | derekboy | now i get telnet: could not resolve 127.0.0.1:25/telnet: Name or service not known |
| 04:41.19 | Mad-Duck | karsten> hu... no |
| 04:41.30 | Biovore | derekboy: telnet 127.0.0.1 25 <-- thats what your running? |
| 04:41.33 | Hellsing | derekboy: running services from inetd ? |
| 04:41.37 | karsten | Mad-Duck: Sorry. You looked like someone I know.... |
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| 04:41.50 | derekboy | Biovore: yes, Hellsing, dunno |
| 04:41.58 | Mad-Duck | karsten> lol, i "looked"? |
| 04:42.00 | Biovore | intressting |
| 04:42.00 | Hellsing | inetd is a bitch and should never be used |
| 04:42.07 | Mad-Duck | :) |
| 04:42.07 | Biovore | agreed |
| 04:42.08 | derekboy | derek@debian:~$ telnet 127.0.0.1:25 |
| 04:42.11 | Hellsing | just run the service individually |
| 04:42.24 | Biovore | its not telnet 127.0.0.1:25 but telnet 127.0.0.1 25 |
| 04:42.36 | Hellsing | as that will also provide 1) more stability; and 2) (most important) security |
| 04:42.36 | derekboy | oh |
| 04:43.01 | Biovore | may want to screen before doing it though |
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| 04:43.11 | derekboy | screen? |
| 04:43.13 | derekboy | it works though |
| 04:43.21 | karsten | Mad-Duck: There's a madduck on the debian-user list. |
| 04:43.44 | gravity | There's a DD madduck too |
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| 04:44.07 | Biovore | now try connecting to it with telnet from another box |
| 04:44.28 | karsten | gravity: Same guy. Martin Kraaft IIRC. |
| 04:44.32 | Hellsing | Biovore: s/screen/script/; ? |
| 04:44.36 | gravity | karsten: That's what I figured |
| 04:44.42 | Mad-Duck | karsten> ho, ok, u're not the first one :) |
| 04:44.57 | nz | hey, what is the command for reinstalling the grub boot loader to the mbr ? |
| 04:44.59 | derekboy | i don't have another one |
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| 04:45.25 | cafuego | nz: /sbin/grub-install /dev/hda (or sda or whatever) |
| 04:45.32 | Biovore | don't got any other computers? |
| 04:45.39 | nz | cafuego, thanks alot |
| 04:45.47 | cafuego | nz: or do it via the grub shell. |
| 04:45.54 | derekboy | well i have a laptop but no internet |
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| 04:46.11 | Biovore | so I guess your connecting to IRC using this same box? |
| 04:46.13 | Mad-Duck | cafuego> isn't there a grub -mbr option? |
| 04:46.20 | cafuego | Mad-Duck: No idea |
| 04:46.21 | derekboy | yes |
| 04:46.25 | Hellsing | Biovore just telnet to the guys machine |
| 04:46.41 | Hellsing | derekboy: you do have ftp though |
| 04:46.54 | derekboy | no |
| 04:46.59 | gratuit | does exim have to run as a daemon(or from inetd) to be able to send mail? |
| 04:47.01 | derekboy | not a ftp server |
| 04:47.02 | Biovore | yup.. thats what I am doing |
| 04:47.07 | Hellsing | s/a/an/; |
| 04:47.10 | derekboy | may i pm you my ip |
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| 04:47.35 | Hellsing | derekboy i already know it |
| 04:47.50 | Biovore | looks like its connect from remote systems |
| 04:47.51 | derekboy | ok |
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| 04:47.59 | Hellsing | yeah looks that way |
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| 04:48.24 | Hellsing | derekboy: dude just ... run the mail server by its own |
| 04:48.27 | derekboy | what does that mean |
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| 04:49.10 | lnxduk | how do I turn telnetd on? |
| 04:49.41 | Hellsing | means that you have to set the mail server or whatever server that you need at the system start |
| 04:49.43 | nz | cafuego, Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 04:49.43 | nz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:49.45 | Hellsing | if thats your wish |
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| 04:49.57 | Hellsing | lnxduk man telnetd ? |
| 04:50.05 | lnxduk | like at startup |
| 04:50.13 | lnxduk | I don't know debian... |
| 04:50.16 | Hellsing | liek you have to checkout /etc/init.f |
| 04:50.30 | vchrizz | how do i see which device is using which irq? |
| 04:50.31 | Hellsing | you have to link the script to the run level that you have specified |
| 04:50.32 | Xenguy | /etc/init.d |
| 04:50.45 | Hellsing | Xenguy oh sorry mr perfect |
| 04:50.48 | Hellsing | :P |
| 04:50.57 | Biovore | derekboy: check your mail.. |
| 04:50.58 | derekboy | ok, thats not my problem though, im just trying to configure it with users and put it on mail.mysite.com so from another computer i can put in mail.mysite.com for pop and smtp and have an email address |
| 04:51.00 | Hellsing | im in a cibercafe what could you expect of this keyboard |
| 04:51.05 | Xenguy | Hellsing: uncalled for - a simple correction |
| 04:51.18 | JohnP789rr | I'm having trouble running ntpdate from behind a NAT router. I think I've opened up enough UDP ports, but I don't see a response. Any pointers? |
| 04:51.18 | Biovore | it allowing incoming mail.. |
| 04:51.24 | Hellsing | Xenguy: i was kidding dude no ofense taken |
| 04:51.28 | derekboy | test email from biovore on #debian on freenode |
| 04:51.35 | Biovore | yup |
| 04:51.38 | Xenguy | Hellsing: understood - none taken :-) |
| 04:51.43 | Hellsing | ;))) |
| 04:51.55 | derekboy | who did you send that to though |
| 04:51.57 | Biovore | so it allows incoming mail now.. |
| 04:52.08 | Hellsing | derekboy im still wondering what are you running in the 21 |
| 04:52.14 | Biovore | I taked smtp to it.. |
| 04:52.18 | Biovore | via telnet |
| 04:52.22 | Biovore | :-) |
| 04:52.50 | derekboy | 21 is not forwarded by my router, so nothing |
| 04:52.57 | Hellsing | lol i remember when I didnt understand what telnet was for, a long long time has passed since that xD |
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| 04:53.13 | Hellsing | pretty funny |
| 04:53.20 | Biovore | lol |
| 04:53.44 | derekboy | 80, 25, 110 are the only ones |
| 04:54.12 | Hellsing | I was half stupid in that time |
| 04:54.13 | Biovore | just need a pop server on there.. |
| 04:54.43 | derekboy | well, mabye not if i could just send and recieve using my domain |
| 04:54.53 | Hellsing | derekboy dude what is that mr lamb thing ? |
| 04:54.54 | derekboy | but if possible yes |
| 04:54.54 | Biovore | whats your domain? |
| 04:55.01 | derekboy | school project |
| 04:55.16 | Hellsing | derekboy oh |
| 04:55.42 | Hellsing | http://www.mclamb.us/tree/profile/36.php |
| 04:55.47 | Hellsing | you gotta problem there |
| 04:55.59 | Hellsing | Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /home/derek/webs/mclambus/www/tree/profile.php on line 14 |
| 04:56.03 | ChrysalisM | JohnP789rr: what kind of router is it |
| 04:56.58 | Hellsing | derekboy its interesting |
| 04:57.26 | Hellsing | derekboy: ok dude i wish you good luck |
| 04:57.26 | derekboy | may need to reset the cache pages |
| 04:57.36 | Hellsing | derekboy: good luck |
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| 04:57.39 | Hellsing | bye man |
| 04:57.44 | derekboy | thanks, cya |
| 04:57.44 | dmakalsky | Hi |
| 04:58.04 | *** part/#debian CaT[tm] (~cat@nessie.weebeastie.net) |
| 04:58.07 | dmakalsky | does anyone know how to get diff to display the common substrings of two files? |
| 04:58.09 | JohnP789rr | ChrysalisM: It's an SMC2404WBR. |
| 04:58.42 | *** part/#debian sNov_Code (snov@dup-200-65-128-39.prodigy.net.mx) |
| 04:59.01 | derekboy | biovore, any ideas for a pop server |
| 04:59.13 | Biovore | yeah.. 1 sec.. |
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| 04:59.33 | Biovore | qpopper is in the debian tree |
| 05:00.01 | rdancer | ``Vicodln - no r-x needed - inexpensive'' <--- seems like spammers are into write-only pages? |
| 05:00.10 | ChrysalisM | JohnP789rr: I think that ntpdate works fine with common PAT type thing |
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| 05:00.31 | Biovore | rdancer.. lol |
| 05:00.41 | JohnP789rr | ChrysalisM: I'm not familiar with PAT. What's that? |
| 05:00.53 | ChrysalisM | JohnP789rr: port address translation |
| 05:01.03 | ChrysalisM | what most people call nat |
| 05:01.09 | JohnP789rr | Ah. |
| 05:01.34 | rdancer | i actually thought it was some thread on one of the security lists i'm subscribed to.. 8-) only now it's some 3rd time i got it, so i took a look 8-) |
| 05:01.45 | JohnP789rr | ChrysalisM: Well, I can't seem to find any server that can get an NTP message back to me. |
| 05:01.55 | ChrysalisM | try tick.usno.navy.mil |
| 05:02.06 | ChrysalisM | its up |
| 05:02.17 | JohnP789rr | # ntpdate -d tick.usno.navy.mil |
| 05:02.21 | JohnP789rr | <bunch of stuff> |
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| 05:02.29 | JohnP789rr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.39 | JohnP789rr | 192.5.41.40: Server dropped: no data |
| 05:02.50 | ChrysalisM | take off the -d |
| 05:02.57 | rdancer | 64 bytes from ntp0.usno.navy.mil (192.5.41.40): icmp_seq=1 ttl=41 time=116 ms |
| 05:03.12 | JohnP789rr | # ntpdate tick.usno.navy.mil |
| 05:03.18 | JohnP789rr | 9 Dec 22:58:18 ntpdate[3419]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 05:03.29 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: tracepath tick.usno.navy.mil |
| 05:03.38 | ChrysalisM | JohnP789rr: i dunno then i never had a problem natting ntpdate |
| 05:04.10 | derekboy | how do i setup qpopper |
| 05:04.13 | Guerin | http://www.pool.ntp.org/#use |
| 05:04.20 | Guerin | it's not hard, people |
| 05:04.37 | Guerin | and yes, it does work through plain NAT without portforwarding |
| 05:04.39 | JohnP789rr | rdancer: I don't have tracepath, but traceroute is timing out. |
| 05:05.04 | Guerin | derekboy: you read man qpopper and associated docs, and follow the instructions |
| 05:05.30 | Biovore | use google |
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| 05:05.37 | Biovore | its not that hard |
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| 05:06.07 | Biovore | The only thing I don't like about debian qpopper is it need to be run out of inetd |
| 05:06.15 | Guerin | eew |
| 05:06.25 | Guerin | why not use a proper popd, like courier? |
| 05:06.39 | Biovore | that would work too |
| 05:06.51 | Biovore | theres only like a 1000 of them |
| 05:07.34 | Guerin | and applying sturgeon's law, only 100 that aren't crap |
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| 05:08.17 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: apt-get install tracepath |
| 05:08.43 | rdancer | good morning/evening, Guerin |
| 05:08.45 | JohnP789rr | I've actually got two "routers" here. A VOIP box and the SMC router. The VOIP box is set up to place the SMC router in the DMZ. |
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| 05:08.59 | Mad-Duck | can someone tell me the differences between .o files and .ko files? (i just saw the two are used during kernel compilation) |
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| 05:09.11 | JohnP789rr | # apt-get -s install tracepath |
| 05:09.16 | JohnP789rr | E: Couldn't find package tracepath |
| 05:09.37 | rdancer | Mad-Duck: .o are kernel <=2.4, .ko >=2.5.something |
| 05:09.39 | derekboy | courier looks awsome |
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| 05:09.51 | Mad-Duck | rdancer> ok thx |
| 05:09.56 | rdancer | Mad-Duck: a kernel module by any other name |
| 05:10.03 | rdancer | s/module/object file/ |
| 05:10.18 | rdancer | well, module |
| 05:10.27 | Mad-Duck | so there are no real differences |
| 05:10.37 | rdancer | maybe, they'll be .km in 3.x |
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| 05:10.57 | Guerin | Mad-Duck: they're not cross-compatible, if that's what you're thinking |
| 05:10.59 | Mad-Duck | hmmm need a little investigation on that |
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| 05:11.20 | JohnP789rr | iputils-tracepath |
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| 05:11.29 | rdancer | Mad-Duck: there are binary incompatibilities whenever the module changes. |
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| 05:12.14 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: yes |
| 05:12.24 | karsten | Anyone know what's responsible for creating .desktop files? A given package? Eg: gv, xpdf. |
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| 05:12.42 | mwilson | karsten: Yes. |
| 05:13.01 | rdancer | karsten: google does, for sure |
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| 05:13.23 | karsten | mwilson: How would I find if a more current version of a package has the .desktop file? |
| 05:13.31 | karsten | rdancer: ktnxbye |
| 05:13.35 | lnxduk | how do I enable root logins with telnet? |
| 05:13.42 | rdancer | !slap karsten |
| 05:13.43 | karsten | lnxduk: Don't. |
| 05:13.48 | mwilson | lnxduk: You don't, of course. |
| 05:13.51 | lnxduk | I need to |
| 05:13.52 | rdancer | karsten: knpbye |
| 05:13.55 | Biovore | lol |
| 05:13.57 | lnxduk | this is a local network |
| 05:14.06 | karsten | lnxduk: Use ssh. Login as non-root. sudo to root. |
| 05:14.09 | mwilson | lnxduk: That's relevant, somehow? |
| 05:14.11 | lnxduk | ssh can't work |
| 05:14.16 | karsten | lnxduk: Why not? |
| 05:14.20 | lnxduk | because the computer is too slow to compress |
| 05:14.27 | lnxduk | it's a really slow computer |
| 05:14.28 | karsten | lnxduk: Then disable compression. |
| 05:14.31 | karsten | lnxduk: What's the computer? |
| 05:14.36 | mwilson | lnxduk: And how could you possibly know that? |
| 05:14.38 | lnxduk | it's a 486 |
| 05:14.57 | Biovore | 486 can do it.. |
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| 05:15.02 | lnxduk | not fast enough |
| 05:15.06 | rdancer | karsten: bullshit. login nonroot -> sudo root buys you nothing, rather the opposite |
| 05:15.06 | Biovore | it slow yes.. but it will go.. |
| 05:15.09 | karsten | lnxduk: Doubtful. Console is going to be slow regardless, compression won't slow it much. |
| 05:15.09 | lnxduk | it can do it, right, but it is slow |
| 05:15.18 | lnxduk | I want to run without compression |
| 05:15.20 | Biovore | I have done it on 486 sx 25Mhz box before |
| 05:15.23 | karsten | rdancer: Bullshit back. You know who logged in nonroot. |
| 05:15.27 | calmar | hi, what happens when I have no startx command? I guess I have Xf86-common, I just can't find it anymore in aptitude :) |
| 05:15.37 | karsten | calmar: apt-file search startx |
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| 05:15.44 | calmar | karsten: thx |
| 05:15.48 | lnxduk | but it's slow... |
| 05:15.48 | Biovore | xserver-common |
| 05:15.51 | lnxduk | I want it to be fast |
| 05:15.54 | Guerin | sudo, if used sanely is great |
| 05:15.59 | karsten | lnxduk: Buy a faster computer. |
| 05:16.04 | lnxduk | I can't |
| 05:16.04 | Guerin | the trouble is it's almost never used sanely |
| 05:16.07 | mwilson | calmar: You wouldn't consider actually installing X correctly, of course. |
| 05:16.07 | lnxduk | this computer is in a robot |
| 05:16.12 | karsten | lnxduk: You can disable compression, use blowfish encryption. That will buy you a lot. |
| 05:16.18 | Biovore | enableing root on telnet is asking for major trouble |
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| 05:16.24 | rdancer | karsten: heh, if you share root passwords with your colleagues, you haven't understand how /etc/passwd works |
| 05:16.28 | lnxduk | Biovore: how? it is local only |
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| 05:16.38 | karsten | rdancer: What part of sudo don't you understand? |
| 05:16.41 | Biovore | try rexec or something |
| 05:16.47 | Mad-Duck | re |
| 05:16.55 | karsten | rdancer: Anyone starts logging on as root, you have a little job performance review chat. |
| 05:16.55 | Guerin | wtf does sudo have to do with the root password? |
| 05:17.03 | cafuego | rdancer: You're assuming nonroot user is allowed to 'sudo bash' |
| 05:17.06 | karsten | rdancer: Granted, root access is whole hog. Sudo offers a number of workarounds. |
| 05:17.39 | Guerin | hence why man sudoers is so comprehensively documented to allow flexible, secure setups |
| 05:17.44 | karsten | rdancer: ...however, it's possible to completely disallow root logins, console _or_ remote. |
| 05:17.47 | rdancer | cafuego: that's what karsten suggested. so i'm telling her/him it's not the way to go |
| 05:17.51 | nite_fly | is there any wysiwyg editors for linux ? |
| 05:17.54 | rdancer | karsten: easy |
| 05:17.57 | calmar | mwilson: Well, I'm not used to debian :) I try xserver-common probably will do the trick |
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| 05:18.08 | karsten | Guerin: You think he'll be moved by *facts*? You fool! |
| 05:18.10 | rdancer | nite_fly: lyx |
| 05:18.11 | mwilson | calmar: Why? |
| 05:18.27 | karsten | rdancer: I make a *very* ugly chick. |
| 05:18.31 | rdancer | nite_fly: openoffice.org, abiword, kword |
| 05:18.33 | Guerin | nite_fly: emacs + browser_of_choice |
| 05:18.43 | calmar | mwilson: ? I didn't have that. Well I'm new to debian :) |
| 05:18.43 | karsten | nite_fly: vim ;-) |
| 05:18.48 | rdancer | karsten: sorry, your penis was so small i didn't notice |
| 05:18.56 | Biovore | nano / pico |
| 05:19.04 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:19.04 | karsten | rdancer: Well, you're not turning me on, I think we're both thankful. |
| 05:19.08 | rdancer | karsten: as Biovore says 8-) |
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| 05:19.28 | JohnP789rr | Well, I'm still stuck. Anybody know what my VOIP box would mean by Bridge Mode (vs. Gateway Mode)? |
| 05:19.51 | lnxduk | so how do I turn off this compression in ssh? |
| 05:20.09 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: could be it can be either a network bridge or a network gateway? |
| 05:20.14 | karsten | JohnP789rr: bridge joins two halves of one network. Gateway seperates an inside from an outside. |
| 05:20.24 | karsten | JohnP789rr: ...other option is routing. |
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| 05:20.47 | Guerin | lnxduk: man sshd_config |
| 05:20.52 | Macinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.58 | cafuego | !info gcc-3.3 sarge |
| 05:21.02 | dpkg | gcc-3.3: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 1:3.3.4-13 (sarge), Packaged size: 1527 kB, Installed size: 4128 kB |
| 05:21.11 | Biovore | apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 05:21.17 | Biovore | I think |
| 05:21.22 | JohnP789rr | Since I have only my SMC router behind the VOIP box, and the router is set to be in the DMZ, any reason I shouldn't try bridge mode? |
| 05:21.31 | rdancer | !menuconfig |
| 05:21.31 | dpkg | somebody said menuconfig was you will need libncurses5-dev. |
| 05:21.35 | karsten | Macinux: apt-file may help. There's a mode where you can run it as a shell, it automatically fetches packages w/ files you need. |
| 05:21.42 | JohnP789rr | $ /usr/sbin/tracepath tick.usno.navy.mil |
| 05:21.42 | JohnP789rr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.42 | JohnP789rr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.48 | karsten | Macinux: ...otherwise: apt-cache search <filename> |
| 05:21.59 | karsten | !tell Macinux about search |
| 05:21.59 | Guerin | Macinux: auto-apt is what karsten is talking about |
| 05:22.02 | dondelelcaro | auto-apt... |
| 05:22.05 | karsten | Guerin: Thanks. |
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| 05:22.22 | karsten | Guerin: I keep forgetting what it's called. I know what it does ;-) |
| 05:22.23 | rdancer | karsten: wrong |
| 05:22.32 | rdancer | karsten: it's <regex> not <filename> |
| 05:22.33 | cafuego | JohnP789rr: I imagine gateway mode means it has two IPs whereas in bridge mode it would have one. |
| 05:22.33 | karsten | rdancer: No, right. |
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| 05:22.40 | karsten | rdancer: ...you're *really* not turning me on. |
| 05:22.50 | rdancer | karsten: please either make it right, or shut up |
| 05:22.54 | Guerin | ... because mplayer is a metapackage |
| 05:23.02 | Biovore | build mplayer from scratch for best operation.. |
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| 05:23.24 | Guerin | !dict booboo |
| 05:23.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'booboo' an embarrassing mistake |
| 05:23.30 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:23.38 | rdancer | Guerin: wtf? 8-) |
| 05:23.39 | Biovore | lol |
| 05:23.51 | Guerin | rdancer: itym utf-8 |
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| 05:23.55 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, I guess that's the right definition for it. |
| 05:23.58 | rdancer | !itym |
| 05:23.58 | dpkg | i guess itym is I Think You Mean |
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| 05:24.43 | Guerin | Biovore: I actually haven't seen much of a performance boost from building it on my own boxen |
| 05:25.01 | rdancer | karsten: well, darling, nope |
| 05:25.10 | Biovore | its not the performance boots.. |
| 05:25.24 | Biovore | it the dvd playing, and codecs |
| 05:25.33 | Guerin | Biovore: I was disappointed, because full-size video is ALMOST watchable on my p2-233 |
| 05:25.36 | karsten | rdancer: Stunning riposte! |
| 05:25.37 | Guerin | Biovore: it's not? |
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| 05:25.48 | derek | how do you set an entire folders contents owner and group |
| 05:25.54 | rdancer | karsten: *really* *nope* sorry sod off |
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| 05:25.59 | JohnP789rr | tracepath doesn't seem to get past my router. |
| 05:26.00 | Biovore | maybe dvd works.. I havn't screwed with it in a bit. |
| 05:26.08 | Vonderbecke | I was in here just a little while ago trying to get a SB Audigy2 Value card working. I can't find any information specifically on an audigy 2 value card on google. Basically alsaconf doesn't detect it and lspci gives: 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008...anyone know whats up? |
| 05:26.36 | Vonderbecke | Woops, I'm on kernel 2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 05:27.48 | rdancer | Vonderbecke: /msg dpkg audigy |
| 05:28.11 | Vonderbecke | i am using alsa :( |
| 05:28.14 | Vonderbecke | it doesn't detect it |
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| 05:28.37 | rdancer | !audigy |
| 05:28.37 | dpkg | i guess audigy is a fairly new series of soundcards from Creative, it is supposedly supported in the CVS version of the "emu10k1" drivers from opensource.creative.com, or http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9091&group_id=44773, or use ALSA. ask me about it. |
| 05:28.39 | Vonderbecke | it's specifically an audigy 2 value - i found that all the 2.6 kernels with alsa support the audigy and audigy 2 zs, but can't find info on the value - i think it uses a different chip |
| 05:28.50 | Vonderbecke | rdancer: yes, it says "or use ALSA". Thats what im doing |
| 05:29.00 | rdancer | Vonderbecke: it's unclear whether dpkg is talking about audigy or audigy2 |
| 05:29.06 | *** mode/#debian [+l 734] by debhelper |
| 05:29.14 | Vonderbecke | but it says use alsa |
| 05:29.16 | Vonderbecke | which is what im doing |
| 05:29.30 | rdancer | Vonderbecke: maybe the version 2 is not supported at all or maybe the sourceforge url will tell you, or the ppl developing it? |
| 05:29.46 | rdancer | Vonderbecke: also, /msg ChanServ list #*alsa* |
| 05:29.47 | Biovore | whats ls -v say vonderbecke |
| 05:29.48 | Macinux | the apt-get cache search didn't find shit |
| 05:29.55 | Mad-Duck | or maybe you just need the right module for alsa to try |
| 05:30.10 | Mad-Duck | if you don't have it, it can't try it |
| 05:30.20 | Vonderbecke | true |
| 05:30.25 | Vonderbecke | but doesn't debian come with all th emodules? |
| 05:30.27 | Guerin | I've heard audigies have ooj problems with linux |
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| 05:30.46 | Biovore | 00:0c.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port (rev 03) |
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| 05:30.48 | Vonderbecke | i just checked opensource.creative.com and it says audigy 2 cards should be supported by the alsa that comes with most linux distros |
| 05:30.50 | rdancer | Guerin: utf-8 ooj? |
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| 05:30.56 | Biovore | yup.. |
| 05:30.58 | Vonderbecke | Biovore: i have an audigy 2 |
| 05:31.00 | Guerin | !rot13 ooj |
| 05:31.00 | dpkg | bbw |
| 05:31.07 | Guerin | hmm |
| 05:31.08 | Biovore | ah.. |
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| 05:31.11 | Mad-Duck | Vonderbecke> it seems not, a friend of mine have the problem with a very old card |
| 05:31.19 | Vonderbecke | 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008 |
| 05:31.19 | Vonderbecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.19 | Vonderbecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.19 | Vonderbecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.19 | Vonderbecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.19 | *** kick/#debian [Vonderbecke!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
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| 05:31.28 | Vonderbecke | sorry :\ |
| 05:31.34 | Guerin | moron |
| 05:31.36 | rdancer | /bin/sh: -c: line 1: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' |
| 05:31.37 | rdancer | /bin/sh: -c: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 05:31.39 | drbyte | hi, i try to do DISPLAY=192.168.0.116:0.0 xcalc just to test to see if remote display is going to work, but it doesnt. the remote system is a debian sarge system, running X. I get Error: Can't open display: 192.168.0.116:0.0. can this be fixed easily ? |
| 05:31.42 | rdancer | Threva: qvqa'g uryc |
| 05:31.51 | Vonderbecke | normally i'd use #flood but the channel isn't very busy |
| 05:31.58 | Vonderbecke | Guerin: wow, really tactful |
| 05:32.01 | karsten | !tell Vonderbecke about flood |
| 05:32.12 | Guerin | rdancer: what didn't |
| 05:32.13 | Guerin | ? |
| 05:32.26 | hellstinger | alguien habla español????????????????????? pv2 pliz |
| 05:32.27 | rdancer | Guerin: bbw is as opaque to me as ooj |
| 05:32.31 | rdancer | !es |
| 05:32.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:32.39 | Guerin | Vonderbecke: if you don't want your clock cleaned in here, reading the topic is advised. |
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| 05:33.18 | Mad-Duck | drbyte> does the remote have already run a client? in that case try 192.168.0.116:1 i think |
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| 05:33.30 | Guerin | !ooj is say it aloud. It means really really big. |
| 05:33.31 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:33.40 | Shimei | Anyone have a Thinkpad R50 with Debian running on it? Have you gotten wireless working? |
| 05:33.47 | drbyte | Mad-Duck: i did, i still get a cannot open display :( |
| 05:33.49 | hellstinger | thanx¡¡ |
| 05:33.53 | drbyte | Mad-Duck: remotely, running X already |
| 05:34.08 | Guerin | rdancer: huge. |
| 05:34.09 | Vonderbecke | good grief, alsa-project.org doesn't even have the audigy 2 value card listed |
| 05:34.24 | Mad-Duck | sorry my X knowledge is really simple, can't help more :/ |
| 05:34.30 | rdancer | Guerin: i mean, what exactly does the tla stand for? |
| 05:34.31 | Biovore | http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?module=emu10k1 |
| 05:34.45 | Biovore | support audigy 2 |
| 05:34.51 | Vonderbecke | Biovore: audigy 2 zs |
| 05:34.55 | rdancer | Vonderbecke: try the sourceforge url dpkg told you about |
| 05:34.56 | Vonderbecke | does not list just "Audigy 2 Value" |
| 05:35.05 | Mad-Duck | Vonderbecke> not listed doesn't always mean not working... |
| 05:35.11 | Vonderbecke | h right forgot about that |
| 05:35.14 | Vonderbecke | Mad-Duck: yeah but mines not working ;) |
| 05:35.21 | Mad-Duck | lol |
| 05:35.24 | Guerin | rdancer: it's not a tla. It's a phoneticisation of a heavily accented pronunciation of the word "huge". |
| 05:35.26 | Mad-Duck | that's true |
| 05:35.39 | Guerin | say it aloud |
| 05:35.41 | Vonderbecke | the sourceforge link you gave me is an older version than in alsa |
| 05:35.43 | Guerin | you'll get it |
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| 05:35.59 | rdancer | Guerin: eou-eou-jeay |
| 05:36.14 | Vonderbecke | guess ill pray that amazon will let me send back an already opened and used sound card |
| 05:36.30 | Guerin | rdancer: it's N-O-T a T-L-A |
| 05:36.40 | Biovore | its pcmcia card? |
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| 05:36.47 | JohnP789rr | Looks like my problem is more general than ntpdate. I can't tracepath anything, either. |
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| 05:36.58 | rdancer | Guerin: gee-eou-tee aii-tee |
| 05:37.11 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: tracepath -n |
| 05:37.37 | JohnP789rr | My router WAN port is 172.25.25.1. I can ping that, but I can't tracepath to it. |
| 05:37.41 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: the first gateway to return !N (icmp network unreachable) will be a prob. |
| 05:37.52 | Mad-Duck | Vonderbecke> can't you find an unnoficial project that support your card? |
| 05:38.01 | Vonderbecke | Mad-Duck: apparently not |
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| 05:38.19 | Vonderbecke | i found ONE page that had an emu10k2 driver, but the page said "I will NOT support sound blaster audigy 2 value because i dont have the card" |
| 05:38.33 | Vonderbecke | but it supported sound blaster audigy 2 zs |
| 05:38.36 | Biovore | yeah.. it kinda to new still |
| 05:38.39 | Vonderbecke | so im guessing the value card is on a totally different chipset |
| 05:38.39 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: that's because tracepath uses UDP packets, while ping uses icmp echo-request |
| 05:38.56 | Biovore | looks like it would be the same emu10k2 driver.. looks like its the same DSP |
| 05:38.56 | Mad-Duck | Vonderbecke> well... that happends sometimes, i had the problem with a graphik card, had to buy a new one |
| 05:39.10 | Guerin | !supported by |
| 05:39.11 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 05:39.47 | Vonderbecke | well that leaves me 2 choices |
| 05:39.54 | cafuego | Return it. |
| 05:39.57 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: simply one is filtered, while the other one isn't. try traceroute -I |
| 05:40.00 | Mad-Duck | Vonderbecke i found ONE page that had an emu10k2 driver ---> just try it... it won't kill your card anyway |
| 05:40.00 | Vonderbecke | install neverwinter nights in windows and stop using linux until a module is released |
| 05:40.08 | cafuego | Tell 'em you didn't want a WinSB card |
| 05:40.09 | Shimei | Hmm. Anybody used an Atheros wireless card with madwifi drivers on Debian? |
| 05:40.09 | Vonderbecke | or use my old blown out soundblaster live! card |
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| 05:40.21 | Vonderbecke | which only halfway works whichi s why i bought the new card :) |
| 05:40.33 | Vonderbecke | i suppose i could call amazon.com to see if they'll let me return it already opened and used... |
| 05:40.38 | cafuego | Shimei: See /mg dpkg supported by |
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| 05:40.49 | cafuego | Vonderbecke: Claim it arrived opened and used |
| 05:41.07 | Mad-Duck | Vonderbecke> you can try but i'm not really optimist for the amazon thing... |
| 05:41.09 | rdancer | !anybody use |
| 05:41.09 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 05:41.11 | cowbud | Vonderbecke: tell them your pc doesn't have pci slots ;) |
| 05:41.12 | JohnP789rr | # /usr/sbin/traceroute -l 172.25.25.1 |
| 05:41.12 | JohnP789rr | traceroute to 172.25.25.1 (172.25.25.1), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets |
| 05:41.12 | JohnP789rr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.18 | cafuego | Who did you buy an audigy if the sblive worked fine? |
| 05:41.24 | dondelelcaro | damnit, what's with people pasting broken traceroutes? |
| 05:41.33 | Vonderbecke | cowbud: hehe |
| 05:41.38 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: they're helpless |
| 05:41.43 | cafuego | Vonderbecke: Tell them it appears to not be compatible with your iMac. |
| 05:41.50 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: /msg me your root password & i'll sort it out. |
| 05:42.03 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:42.06 | JohnP789rr | rdander: OK, sounds good. |
| 05:42.09 | Guerin | NO |
| 05:42.12 | Guerin | he was joking |
| 05:42.15 | Biovore | lol |
| 05:42.16 | cafuego | Ack, thunderstorm about 100m stright up |
| 05:42.17 | Biovore | rofl |
| 05:42.25 | rdancer | i wasn't. it'll be quicker than this |
| 05:42.25 | Vonderbecke | wow amazon.com has an automated return form now |
| 05:42.31 | Guerin | or if he wasn't, he was begging for a kick/ban :) |
| 05:42.37 | Vonderbecke | damn...printer required though, and i don't own one :> |
| 05:42.44 | Mad-Duck | Guerin> lol |
| 05:42.57 | Biovore | print to a PDF then.. |
| 05:43.03 | Biovore | :-) |
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| 05:43.15 | Vonderbecke | guess ill try it and hope for the best |
| 05:43.18 | JohnP789rr | Guys, I'm not that clueless. |
| 05:43.19 | Vonderbecke | ill just do it from work tomorrow |
| 05:43.25 | cafuego | Print to poscrscript, edit the contents, file a printer |
| 05:43.44 | rdancer | JohnP789rr: you should encrypt with my public gpg key, to appease Guerin |
| 05:43.53 | Vonderbecke | "Because your return is not caused by an error on our side your return shipping charges will be deducted from your refund" |
| 05:44.17 | Mad-Duck | rdancer> encrypt and public key in the same phrase... hummmm |
| 05:44.18 | Guerin | !shell access |
| 05:44.18 | dpkg | DON'T be a fucking moron. Offering shell accessss to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will i be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 05:44.40 | Vonderbecke | hmm, come to think of it, theres not really any sign i opened the package other than 1 sticker on the box which could easily be resealed |
| 05:44.41 | jasonf | hahaha |
| 05:44.44 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo shell access |
| 05:44.44 | dpkg | shell access -- last modified at Wed Jun 9 14:21:25 2004 by RichiH!richih@richih.cloaked; it has been requested 14 times, last by Guerin, 26s ago. |
| 05:44.47 | jasonf | dpkg: you own |
| 05:44.47 | dpkg | jasonf: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 05:44.56 | rdancer | Mad-Duck: yes. it's called public key cryptography, and it was a big news in 70s |
| 05:45.03 | Guerin | 'twas I |
| 05:45.19 | Guerin | but the bit about the spork was edited in to replace something along the lines of |
| 05:45.20 | JohnP789rr | This SMC router is pretty crappy. |
| 05:45.21 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: ahh... the talk of sporks made me think I had done it... but I really couldn't remember |
| 05:45.26 | Mad-Duck | why public if it's for crypting things? it's a thing i never understood |
| 05:45.36 | JohnP789rr | I don't even see how to tell it it's not April 26th. |
| 05:45.40 | Guerin | "Ask yourself: would I share my boyfriend/girlfriend/sex toys with this person?" |
| 05:45.56 | Guerin | to which some prudes took offence |
| 05:46.08 | JohnP789rr | Maybe SMC has a thing about not letting folks know what time it is. |
| 05:46.13 | doleyb | Mad-Duck: It's one-way encryption. With the public key, you can encrypt, but only the private-key can decrypt. |
| 05:46.33 | Mad-Duck | Guerin> hmmm guess it depends on the person :) |
| 05:46.33 | cafuego | Guerin: Those are probably the same prudes whose favourite porn star is not your wife ;-) |
| 05:46.34 | rdancer | Mad-Duck: as doleyb says |
| 05:46.41 | shingouz | JohnP789rr: you should tell the router the ip of some ntp server and it takes care of the time automagically |
| 05:47.04 | Guerin | cafuego: boring bastards. |
| 05:47.14 | Mad-Duck | doleyb> ho, i understand better now |
| 05:47.18 | cafuego | Ack, it takes longer to compile scribus than a kernel. |
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| 05:47.36 | Mad-Duck | doleyb> i learned a lot of things tonight ^^ |
| 05:47.37 | rdancer | Guerin: the crucial question is: would you? 8-) |
| 05:47.52 | Guerin | rdancer: would I what? |
| 05:48.00 | rdancer | Guerin: share some of the toys |
| 05:48.20 | Guerin | rdancer: and here I thought you were talking about shell access. |
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| 05:48.33 | cafuego | rdancer: To be honest, buy your own damned dildo. |
| 05:48.33 | Guerin | rdancer: you might not want to play with them... |
| 05:48.38 | rdancer | everybody please /msg your toys to rdancer |
| 05:48.49 | Guerin | rdancer: /nick stoned |
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| 05:49.15 | rdancer | Guerin: he's here |
| 05:49.17 | karsten | rdancer: PKI was publicized rather later than that. |
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| 05:49.48 | rdancer | karsten: you're probably wrong |
| 05:49.53 | karsten | rdancer: I take it back. D-H, 1976. |
| 05:49.59 | karsten | rdancer: Thought it was 80s. |
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| 05:50.10 | karsten | rdancer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PKI#History |
| 05:50.38 | rdancer | karsten: well... of course i *am* right |
| 05:50.40 | cafuego | karsten: Nothing good happened in the 80s |
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| 05:50.57 | rdancer | cafuego: neverending story |
| 05:50.58 | karsten | cafuego: I got laid (and in the decades since). |
| 05:51.11 | cafuego | karsten: the prostitution rests. |
| 05:51.11 | karsten | cafuego: ...and the wall came down. |
| 05:51.17 | rdancer | cafuego: and i was born |
| 05:51.25 | Guerin | sonic youth released some good albums in the '80s |
| 05:51.29 | cafuego | karsten: s/the wall came down/ holland got overrun by even more germans/ |
| 05:51.31 | karsten | cafuego: My cat hates you. |
| 05:51.35 | Mad-Duck | cafuego> of course something good happens in the 80s: me.... |
| 05:51.51 | cafuego | not even my baby brother was born in the 80s. |
| 05:51.56 | Guerin | all you kiddiwinkles, born in the '80s |
| 05:52.05 | Phated | Eh. |
| 05:52.06 | Guerin | my baby brother was born in '80 |
| 05:52.21 | Guerin | Phated: you keep quiet, you were damn near borin in the '90s |
| 05:52.22 | rdancer | all my siblings are born in 80's |
| 05:52.25 | cafuego | mine in '76 |
| 05:52.32 | Phated | Guerin: Was not! |
| 05:52.56 | karsten | Mad-Duck: You're my long-lost love-child? |
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| 05:53.08 | Mad-Duck | karsten> ??? |
| 05:53.09 | Sliquid | does anyone in here run a drupal website? |
| 05:53.11 | Phated | "IRC: Bringing your one-night stands home" |
| 05:53.17 | Guerin | karsten: /nick DarthKarsten |
| 05:53.18 | rdancer | oh, it's sister's birthday. remind me i should call her 8-) |
| 05:53.18 | drbyte | when i run xhost, i get Xlib: connection to "localhost:10.0" refused by server |
| 05:53.23 | Mad-Duck | karsten> sorry my english is not very good |
| 05:53.32 | karsten | Guerin: I sense a great disturbance.... |
| 05:53.36 | drbyte | how can i make xhost work in debian ? |
| 05:53.43 | karsten | drbyte: Don't. |
| 05:53.49 | Guerin | xhost bad |
| 05:53.53 | gravity | ssh forwarding is your friend |
| 05:53.54 | rdancer | drbyte: you don't |
| 05:53.55 | Guerin | xauth good |
| 05:53.59 | JohnP789 | I think this router is just goofy. |
| 05:54.03 | karsten | drbyte: ssh -X <remotehost> |
| 05:54.09 | Pumpkin_Pie | momma told me life is like a box of letters, you never know whatca gonna get |
| 05:54.11 | rdancer | xauth good on the same machine, correct? |
| 05:54.14 | Guerin | JohnP789: turn it around |
| 05:54.16 | karsten | Guerin: tcplisten BADBADBAD |
| 05:54.16 | drbyte | karsten: fair enough. but i'm trying to get Emacs to have a remote display, and debian refuses to allow me to do that |
| 05:54.24 | drbyte | and it seems like the easiest method is xhost |
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| 05:54.39 | karsten | drbyte: Turn on X11 forwarding in your sshd config, remote host. |
| 05:54.40 | Guerin | bah, peasy |
| 05:54.50 | Guerin | !sshx |
| 05:54.50 | dpkg | sshx is probably Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 05:55.14 | JohnP789 | Current Time: Apr/01/2002 02:08:07 --- Appropriate! |
| 05:55.25 | Guerin | hah |
| 05:55.28 | JohnP789 | I see no way to set the time on it. |
| 05:55.33 | karsten | rdancer: xauth is somewhat useful for keeping and friends with shell on your box from launching xroach on your display. Not much else. |
| 05:55.35 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 05:55.35 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers exactly, respectively. |
| 05:55.44 | drbyte | but that doesn't just do emacs' file -> new frame on display. i want to use that, rather than doing ssh -X |
| 05:55.52 | drbyte | ssh -X works, xbase-clients has already been installed |
| 05:56.03 | dondelelcaro | drbyte: that's gnuclient |
| 05:56.08 | drbyte | from this machine i want a new frame on the other display. so 2 people can use the emacs buffer at the same time |
| 05:56.20 | Guerin | man screen |
| 05:56.22 | karsten | MerlinCorey: Grumble? Grumble? Hell, a few of Molotov's favorite stiff drinks are on order. |
| 05:56.27 | JohnP789 | screen rocks |
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| 05:56.37 | rdancer | JohnP789: any progress with tracepath/traceroute? |
| 05:56.37 | cafuego | !find lart. |
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| 05:56.47 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lart.' (3 shown): (/usr/share/apps/knode/pics/ctlart.png) in net/knode ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.26-1/include/asm-arm/arch-sa1100/lart.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.4.26-1 ;; (/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27-speakup/include/asm-arm/arch-sa1100/lart.h) in devel/kernel-headers-2.4.27-speakup. |
| 05:56.47 | JohnP789 | rdancer: Nope. |
| 05:56.50 | Pumpkin_Pie | momma told me life is like a online dating service, you never know whatca gonna get |
| 05:56.54 | karsten | drbyte: screen. Possibly ttysnoop, if I'm misremembering correctly. |
| 05:56.57 | drbyte | Guerin: screen wont do emacs (in X) |
| 05:57.09 | Guerin | drbyte: it will do emacs out of x, though |
| 05:57.15 | karsten | Pumpkin_Pie: ...and you'll never get whatchya want. |
| 05:57.23 | stew | Pumpkin_Pie: aparantly according to my friends that are online dating, you get girls that are good with photoshop |
| 05:57.27 | rdancer | JohnP789: any idea which router blocks the probes? |
| 05:57.30 | karsten | drbyte: emacserver |
| 05:57.32 | Guerin | which is easily as good as emacs with x, and has all the added bonuses of being screenworthy |
| 05:57.37 | Pumpkin_Pie | stew: heh |
| 05:57.49 | karsten | stew: Hrm. I need to find a good graphic artist.... |
| 05:57.50 | JohnP789 | rdancer: The SMC seems to be. |
| 05:57.50 | drbyte | gnuserv is what i seemed to have found |
| 05:57.54 | MerlinCorey | karsten: meh. I'll probably be back to grumbling about SBC when I get back to cali, so no point screwing up comcast worse than it is now :P |
| 05:58.06 | Guerin | but if you try sometime, you just might find |
| 05:58.10 | JohnP789 | rdancer: I can't tracepath to it's WAN port. |
| 05:58.11 | rdancer | JohnP789: then configure the smc properly? |
| 05:58.17 | Guerin | you git what y' neeeeeeeeeeEEEEeed |
| 05:58.21 | rdancer | JohnP789: you don't make a sense |
| 05:58.23 | JohnP789 | rdancer: good idea |
| 05:58.48 | Guerin | hoo-a |
| 05:58.53 | rdancer | !have sex |
| 05:58.56 | achilles | how do i update my old debian to newest edition of debian?? |
| 05:58.59 | rdancer | ~have sex |
| 05:59.00 | apt | Sex deprivation makes people unhappy, go meet some MOTAS. Alternatively, http://www.jackinwold.com. |
| 05:59.00 | stew | happy friday! |
| 05:59.10 | karsten | achilles: apt-get update; aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 05:59.24 | Guerin | karsten: why not aptitude update? |
| 05:59.31 | karsten | Guerin: Too noisy. |
| 05:59.35 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:59.40 | JohnP789 | rdancer: The SMC router's WAN IP address can't be tracepath'ed from the LAN. |
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| 05:59.43 | rdancer | achilles: define newest edition |
| 05:59.48 | stew | apt: save sex =~ s/wold/world/ |
| 05:59.48 | apt | stew: i didn't have anything called 'save sex' to modify |
| 05:59.54 | stew | apt: have sex =~ s/wold/world/ |
| 05:59.54 | apt | stew: OK |
| 05:59.59 | karsten | Guerin: Seriously, I run updates in cron, and apt-get is much better suited than aptitude. |
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| 06:00.09 | WiFiTux | aptitude? what's that shit? |
| 06:00.14 | MerlinCorey | karsten: not a good idea |
| 06:00.17 | stew | !apt-get cron |
| 06:00.17 | dpkg | Don't do it! If your unattended apt-get upgrade blows up, your system could be unusable, and you won't even have a prompt on the console to answer. |
| 06:00.25 | Guerin | karsten: well, to my mind it's much better suited than aptitude for almost all tasks... |
| 06:00.42 | Guerin | apt-get -d via cron is ok |
| 06:01.16 | achilles | rdancer, my debian is older version based on knopppix...i guess there must be a new release of debian by now |
| 06:01.25 | ledestin | Guerin: then it's not possible to automate updates? |
| 06:01.26 | MerlinCorey | achilles: I'm not sure you can do that |
| 06:01.33 | stew | Arvind-NL: your debian is not debian |
| 06:01.37 | stew | err |
| 06:01.37 | Guerin | !possible |
| 06:01.38 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 06:01.40 | MerlinCorey | ledestin: it's just a bad idea |
| 06:01.43 | karsten | Guerin: But see: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 06:01.57 | karsten | MerlinCorey: *update* in cron. Along with a '-dy' dist-upgrade. |
| 06:02.06 | karsten | MerlinCorey: I'm not insane enough to update live. |
| 06:02.14 | ledestin | Guerin: security updates w/o having to do it manually |
| 06:02.20 | rdancer | achilles: it's not debian then |
| 06:02.30 | karsten | MerlinCorey: s/live/cronned/ |
| 06:02.31 | Guerin | ledestin: security updates should be manually vetted, as well. |
| 06:02.47 | Guerin | ledestin: (at least until they've been verified to work) |
| 06:02.54 | rdancer | achilles: it's possible to convert it to debian, though, not that i knew how, then /msg debian upgrade |
| 06:02.56 | karsten | Guerin: Specifically http://os.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=42537&cid=103010 |
| 06:03.06 | stew | achilles: do this: "ls -l /etc/rcS.d | wc -l" what does it say? |
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| 06:03.16 | stew | hrm why -l? i dunno |
| 06:03.20 | karsten | MerlinCorey: You can curse SPC and comcast. I've got dialup, so unattended downloads prior to install are useful. |
| 06:03.23 | streuner | What's wrong with cron-apt? |
| 06:03.44 | karsten | streuner: Never used it. I've got update and a -dy dist-upgrade in my crontab though. |
| 06:03.45 | Guerin | ledestin: if I was running a fleet of stable boxen, I'd keep one as a testbed, and update that one manually, then if all was well, update the rest via cron. We've already discussed various methods of doing this in here. |
| 06:04.00 | ledestin | Guerin: makes sense |
| 06:04.15 | karsten | Guerin: I'd keep a UML instance as a testbed .... |
| 06:04.30 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, that could work. |
| 06:04.46 | achilles | 21, stew |
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| 06:05.07 | stew | achilles: thats good. dont mind me |
| 06:05.08 | Guerin | UML doesn't allow you to test kernels, though |
| 06:05.11 | achilles | u mean a knoppix hard disk installed box is not a debian??? |
| 06:05.12 | MerlinCorey | karsten: meh. thankfully, I don't have dial-up problems ^_^ |
| 06:05.17 | stew | achilles: no |
| 06:05.20 | MerlinCorey | achilles: hell no |
| 06:05.28 | Guerin | achilles: it's a knoppix hdinstall. |
| 06:05.31 | MerlinCorey | !knoppix |
| 06:05.31 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 06:05.39 | Guerin | as you correctly identified in your post. |
| 06:05.42 | Guerin | err |
| 06:05.48 | Guerin | message |
| 06:05.48 | Mad-Duck | does someone have rarewares in his sources.list? |
| 06:05.49 | Guerin | thing |
| 06:05.54 | achilles | but they say its all a debian |
| 06:06.03 | Guerin | Mad-Duck: I maintain a mirror of rarewares |
| 06:06.05 | MerlinCorey | achilles: they are idiots |
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| 06:06.25 | Guerin | Mad-Duck: (an unofficial one, since the maintainer never responded to my polite request that I moirror him) |
| 06:06.29 | Mad-Duck | the url i found on the website (deb http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/debian/ ./) give a 404 error |
| 06:06.50 | Guerin | !rarewares |
| 06:06.50 | dpkg | i guess rarewares is a repository for many media apps. http://rarewares.org. Sid packages in deb http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./ or deb http://feayn.org/~lewis/rarewares/unstable ./ |
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| 06:07.09 | Guerin | the rarewares.org mirror is the official one; the feayn.org is mine. |
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| 06:07.35 | Guerin | I keep it because whatever host rarewares.org is on filters traffic from my isp in korea |
| 06:07.52 | MerlinCorey | that sucks |
| 06:08.07 | achilles | ppl say taht if knoppix is installed to hdd, it effectively is a debian box |
| 06:08.12 | achilles | true? |
| 06:08.13 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: yeah. I suspect it's also why I didn't get a reply to any of my emails, either... |
| 06:08.18 | MerlinCorey | achilles: we just told you NO |
| 06:08.20 | zinx | achilles: for the 50th time, no, it's not true |
| 06:08.21 | Guerin | achilles: no. False. |
| 06:08.22 | calmar | hi again. What's the best way to install a system, with just one wm (fvwm) + a handful of other programs. Obviously with fvwm xserver-common got not installed..? |
| 06:08.24 | MerlinCorey | achilles: and I told you people are idiots |
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| 06:08.34 | achilles | arrghh... sorry, i was misinformed |
| 06:08.35 | achilles | :( |
| 06:08.47 | Guerin | calmar: apt-get install fvwm x-window-system-core |
| 06:08.51 | MerlinCorey | calmar: without tasksel |
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| 06:09.01 | paul_ | hello, I'm new to this area and I'm looking for some advice on linux-libc-headers-2.6.9 |
| 06:09.05 | Guerin | calmar: that will get pretty much the basics and nothing else |
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| 06:09.10 | Mad-Duck | Guerin> on rareware website i read that i need 2 urls: "deb http://pessoal.onda.com.br/rjamorim/debian/ ./" and "deb http://rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable/ ./", do i really need both? |
| 06:09.16 | MerlinCorey | paul_: what is your actual issue? |
| 06:09.22 | calmar | ok, thansk all, I will try :) |
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| 06:10.08 | Guerin | Mad-Duck: no; iirc they're for different things. The rarewares one is specifically for audio/media apps, the other one is for other stuff the guy has done which isn't specifically media-related |
| 06:10.18 | paul_ | I have jsut installed a Debian system with the 2.6.9 kernel and I cannot install my VMware |
| 06:10.28 | Guerin | Mad-Duck: don't tell mt you're STILL trying to play ,mpc files? |
| 06:10.29 | calmar | gnight all... |
| 06:10.39 | Mad-Duck | Guerin> ok thx |
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| 06:10.50 | Mad-Duck | Guerin> no it works now |
| 06:10.59 | MerlinCorey | paul_: why can you not install your VMWare........? |
| 06:11.00 | andy | hi |
| 06:11.08 | MerlinCorey | andy in australia? |
| 06:11.09 | Mad-Duck | Guerin> thanks to the xmms-musepack of rarewares ;) |
| 06:11.12 | Guerin | karsten: heh, I'm pretty sure I've read that before. |
| 06:11.19 | Guerin | rarewares++ |
| 06:11.20 | andy | how do i upgrade from debian kde 3.2 to kde 3.3.2 via apt-get? |
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| 06:11.25 | xoz | is there a plugin in xmms to view the artist and the name of the song in an mp3 stream? |
| 06:11.27 | andy | i'm from canada |
| 06:11.28 | MerlinCorey | oh nope |
| 06:11.29 | Guerin | andy: if you have to ask, you don't |
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| 06:11.36 | karsten | Guerin: ...already today, or before before? |
| 06:11.39 | zignig | MerlinCorey: you in .au ? |
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| 06:11.59 | Sazpaimon | Hey, what should I add to my sources file in order to install kde3 |
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| 06:12.07 | Sazpaimon | since apt-get keeps installing 2.2 |
| 06:12.11 | Guerin | xoz: if the stream supports it, tthere's a tickbox in preferences to display that info. if the stream doesn't, then no. |
| 06:12.23 | Guerin | karsten: already before... or something very much like it. |
| 06:12.37 | andy | how can i upgrade from 3.2 to 3.3 because my school can do that but i can't, my teacher said that they used apt-get |
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| 06:12.45 | MerlinCorey | zignig: no, I had a "friend" from teh intArnet who introduced me to debian many years ago. went by the nick andy. stopped seeing him places a good three or four years ago.... still kind of holding hope he's kicking around somewhere. |
| 06:12.49 | streuner | Sazpaimon: read the URL of the /topic #debian-kde |
| 06:12.51 | xoz | Guerin: tnx. i'll go check that tickbox. |
| 06:12.52 | paul_ | vmware installed ok useing alien and dpkg with the rpm but when I run the vmware-config.pl to create the moduels I get some errors that break the make |
| 06:12.55 | drbyte | hmm, getting emacs to display on the other host is just not working :( |
| 06:12.57 | paul_ | include/asm/hw_irq.h:28: error: `NR_IRQ_VECTORS' undeclared here (not in a function) |
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| 06:13.32 | streuner | Sazpaimon: or upgrade to sarge |
| 06:13.38 | exobyte | In bash, how can I get the path of the script I'm running? Not $PWD |
| 06:13.43 | Sazpaimon | I do this how? |
| 06:14.12 | streuner | Sazpaimon: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 06:14.18 | Guerin | andy: if your school is using kde 3.3, then they're either 1) not using debian or 2) using unstable ; in both cases they're stupid unless they have VERY competent admins. |
| 06:14.26 | paul_ | I have spent 3 days googling and sem to have foiund that this is due to a ndew way of handling headers in 2.6 |
| 06:14.35 | achilles | so can i use my current knoppix based debian to upgrade to a full fledge debian box? |
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| 06:14.53 | Mad-Duck | paul_> vmware installed without any problem on my 2.6 kernel, on a 2.4 it need a lot of work |
| 06:14.55 | Guerin | achilles: not without major hassles. It's much easier to install from scratch. |
| 06:15.00 | streuner | achilles: /msg dpkg knoppix2debian |
| 06:15.01 | Phated | Is there a word that's no'er than no? :) |
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| 06:15.11 | karsten | Guerin: Well, apparently I'm plagiarizing myself then ;-) |
| 06:15.11 | Guerin | Phated: fuckno |
| 06:15.19 | Phated | Guerin: Oh I do forget. |
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| 06:15.35 | Mad-Duck | paul_> wich version of vmware do you install? |
| 06:15.35 | Sazpaimon | can I change stable/non-US to sarge/non-US too? |
| 06:15.46 | Guerin | karsten: heh, no, I think the one I read earlier was by joeyh |
| 06:15.46 | paul_ | I am using version 3.2 and even downloaded the 4.5 evaluation both have the same problem |
| 06:15.50 | Phated | Sure you can. |
| 06:16.13 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah. That's a keeper. |
| 06:16.39 | Guerin | yeah, the one in the aptitude factoid; they are different though, my brain just filed them in the same place |
| 06:16.48 | jstevens | hey, what good GUI wireless network sniffer would y'all reccomend for an orinoco card? |
| 06:16.52 | paul_ | I should probably add these are the workstation version |
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| 06:17.01 | xerophyte | which is good CMS, considering security wise Mambo or drupal? |
| 06:17.04 | Mad-Duck | paul_> sorry i can't help, 4.5 runs fine for me |
| 06:17.21 | Guerin | xerophyte: I've heard that drupal is pretty sane, security-wise |
| 06:17.39 | Guerin | xerophyte: if I ever have need for one, I'll probably use twiki though |
| 06:17.42 | paul_ | What version od debian are you using |
| 06:17.43 | jasonf | xerophyte: nano and chmod are the best CMS when it comes to security |
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| 06:17.52 | Mad-Duck | paul_> sarge |
| 06:17.53 | Guerin | rcs 4 evar! |
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| 06:18.02 | Mad-Duck | paul_> kernel 2.6.8 |
| 06:18.40 | Mad-Duck | paul_> the vmware installer don't even recompile the modules, the built-in were ok |
| 06:18.56 | paul_ | The searching I did seem to show that vmware worked well for many up 2.6.8 but 2.6.9 has problems. |
| 06:19.29 | Sazpaimon | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages Unable to fetch file, server said '/debian-marillat/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory ' |
| 06:19.30 | Sazpaimon | Failed to fetch http://ftp.linux.pt/pub/xbox/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 06:19.33 | Mad-Duck | paul_> yes i read something like that too, you run a 2.6.9? |
| 06:19.40 | Sazpaimon | should I just remove those 2 from the sources file? |
| 06:19.47 | karsten | Is there any equivalent in Firefox for Galeon's " |
| 06:19.48 | Phated | Yeah, why not. |
| 06:19.51 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: this is not debian for xbox |
| 06:20.03 | Phated | It's NOT? |
| 06:20.07 | karsten | ..."past link onto the new-page icon" to open a new tab with the URL being pasted. |
| 06:20.08 | Sazpaimon | is there really much difference? |
| 06:20.09 | paul_ | I'm not particularly attatched to 2.6.9 but it was the kernel that was the kernel reccommended by a howto that I followed to get a Debian system on bootable raid |
| 06:20.10 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: we know nothing about it; it's a VERY unofficial, experimental port |
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| 06:20.14 | karsten | s/past/paste/ |
| 06:20.19 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: we don't know. Potentially. |
| 06:20.26 | Sazpaimon | Guerin, its still debian nonetheless |
| 06:20.27 | karsten | paul_: Almost certainly out of date. |
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| 06:20.40 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: I don't see it listed on debian.org |
| 06:20.40 | Sazpaimon | I've gotten support from you guys for my distribution nonetheless |
| 06:20.43 | Mad-Duck | paul_> i think 2.6.8 can handle that too... but i can mistake |
| 06:20.58 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: lucky you. |
| 06:21.06 | MerlinCorey | Sazpaimon: it says error 404 |
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| 06:21.17 | paul_ | I'm sure it can but what is involved in going down a verison |
| 06:21.20 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: my only advice is man apt-get, man sources.list |
| 06:21.24 | Guerin | if they exist |
| 06:21.31 | Sazpaimon | well |
| 06:21.32 | xerophyte | jasonf i could find the url for both nano and chmod can you give them please |
| 06:21.43 | Sazpaimon | it could be those 2 sources dont have sarge on them |
| 06:21.58 | JohnP789 | OK, "dig @ns.google.com www.google.com +notcp" works OK. That should mean that UDP packets are getting through my router, right? |
| 06:22.05 | Sazpaimon | would it hurt to just change them back to stable? |
| 06:22.10 | tchino | hello debian-friends |
| 06:22.12 | Phated | Sazpaimon: Just for laughs, try it with "testing" instead of sarge? |
| 06:22.15 | Mad-Duck | paul_> i can't help you more, i'm just a noob on linux ^^ |
| 06:22.19 | Mad-Duck | sorry |
| 06:22.22 | JohnP789 | Any ideas why this dig would work, but ntpdate doesn't? |
| 06:22.35 | JohnP789 | They're both UDP, right? |
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| 06:23.00 | paul_ | Thanks anyway, I may try to build a new kernel and see what happens |
| 06:23.01 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: if you haven't installed anything, it should be safe to switch back. IF you have installed ANYTHING from non-stable sources, all bets are off. |
| 06:23.12 | Sazpaimon | I havent yet |
| 06:23.23 | Sazpaimon | I just did the update after "sargeing" them |
| 06:23.32 | Sazpaimon | Failed to fetch http://ftp.linux.pt/pub/xbox/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
| 06:23.36 | Mad-Duck | paul_> try to install a kernel-image instead of building a new one... except if you like troubles |
| 06:23.36 | Sazpaimon | thats all I get now |
| 06:23.41 | Sazpaimon | I'll just comment it out |
| 06:23.47 | Phated | Oh well, they don't have that then. Switch back to stable. :) |
| 06:24.03 | tchino | I want to buy a notebook in the next days, can someone tells me, if i can install a debian system on it with a centrino chip |
| 06:24.20 | paul_ | I think I'll need to build since I need Raid support built in rather than module |
| 06:24.26 | Sazpaimon | not stable |
| 06:24.30 | Sazpaimon | its woody apparently |
| 06:24.39 | Mad-Duck | paul_> ho, in that case you may be right |
| 06:24.44 | Sazpaimon | there |
| 06:24.47 | grif2010 | hi! i have just installed heroes3 using wine to directory Z:\ and i do not understand where do i find it now...does anybody knows where is the game now? |
| 06:25.13 | paul_ | It has to be built in from what I understand if you want ot be able to boot froma a raid partition |
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| 06:25.33 | JohnP789 | dig workie, ntpdate no-workie, any ideas? :) |
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| 06:25.34 | Mad-Duck | paul_> yes i think you're right |
| 06:25.49 | Phated | You need to build anything you need to boot with. :) Simple principle. |
| 06:25.52 | Sazpaimon | anyway Guerin, there's really no real difference between Xebian and Debian |
| 06:26.01 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: is that right? |
| 06:26.02 | Sazpaimon | it just supports FatX and Xbox devices |
| 06:26.14 | Sazpaimon | yea, I have Xchat installed on it too |
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| 06:26.29 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: how do you come by such knowledge, and yet you don't know how to fix a broken sources.list? |
| 06:26.34 | Phated | Xchat makes a Debian box not. :) |
| 06:26.34 | jasonf | xerophyte: you missed the joke. |
| 06:26.41 | Guerin | ooh, because xchat only works on debian |
| 06:26.45 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 06:26.56 | Sazpaimon | Xchat came with this distro |
| 06:27.02 | Sazpaimon | Im too lazy to get bitchx |
| 06:27.04 | Guerin | it works on any other gnu/linux system, windows, *bsd and probably other unices too! |
| 06:27.06 | Phated | Doesn't mean anything. |
| 06:27.15 | r00tsh3ll | cçear |
| 06:27.15 | Phated | And it even comes as SOURCE! |
| 06:27.21 | paul_ | Phated, I'm not very experienced on kernel building, what takes care of all the vraious modules that I have for stuff like alsa and the like |
| 06:27.26 | Sazpaimon | and Guerin, because I've just started to use Xebian after a long hiatus from it |
| 06:27.31 | Guerin | Sazpaimon: when it appears listed on http://www.debian.org/ports/, it's debian. Until then, it ain't. |
| 06:27.41 | Phated | paul_: Eh? Failing to parse, mate. |
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| 06:27.45 | paul_ | Do I have to rebuild all these kinds of things |
| 06:27.53 | Sazpaimon | do you have to do everything by the book |
| 06:27.55 | drbyte | color highlighting inside screen doesn't work when looking at code :( |
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| 06:28.11 | Phated | You only need to build things like hardware things for boot, like root fs, HDD stuff... |
| 06:28.13 | Sazpaimon | you can just "pretend" its on the ports list |
| 06:28.22 | Sazpaimon | :P |
| 06:28.23 | Phated | I csn just "pretend" Windows is Linux. |
| 06:28.34 | Guerin | !notdebian xebian |
| 06:28.35 | dpkg | Debian is all about policy. Policy guides everything. xebian does not have Debian policy, ergo it is not Debian. |
| 06:28.47 | Phated | No wait, not even my levels of delusion can handle that. |
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| 06:29.27 | drbyte | oops, it does |
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| 06:29.31 | paul_ | What I am worried about is things like the alsa drivers I had to build, If I go from 2.6.9 kernel to a 2.6.8 kernel will I have to rebuild all these things too? |
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| 06:29.44 | Mad-Duck | Phated> window's maybe not linux, but since a certain time it "try" to be... like usual crosoft take his ideas at other's work... |
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| 06:30.07 | roler | i have a toshiba laptop, and it has a SD memory card reader... anyone know by chance what to select in the kernel to make it worK? Something under USB? |
| 06:30.08 | Phated | OK, once again, the concept of a sense of humour evaporates from #debian. |
| 06:30.15 | exobyte | In bash, how can I get the path of the script I'm running? Not $PWD |
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| 06:30.34 | cafuego | drbyte: Check your TERM |
| 06:30.36 | Saz|Xbox | =) |
| 06:30.41 | Guerin | roler: I've heard, though I might be wrong, that SD cards can't be supported in linux due to the license on their code |
| 06:30.44 | Mad-Duck | Phated> that was not a reproach, i swear i laugh, just wanted to say something ;) |
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| 06:30.59 | Guerin | exobyte: echo $PATH |
| 06:31.01 | Phated | Mad-Duck: Ah... The sweet irony... Oh god how it burns. :) |
| 06:31.02 | xerophyte | jasonf, i got you now sorry :0 was thinking ther eis CMS exits .. |
| 06:31.07 | cafuego | Guerin: Shouldn't it just show up as a disk device tho? |
| 06:31.18 | exobyte | Guerin: ah. cool- thx |
| 06:31.21 | roler | Guerin;wow |
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| 06:32.05 | Guerin | cafuego: I don't think so - I think all the driver code is proprietary and can't be used / hasn't been reverse-engineered. I'm happy to be shown a liar, though. |
| 06:32.49 | Guerin | http://tuxmobil.org/mmc_sd_card_unix.html |
| 06:32.52 | exobyte | Guerin: wait- that's the env variable for binaries |
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| 06:33.07 | PyGuy | Hello |
| 06:33.17 | Guerin | exobyte: define your script's path, then you can echo it. |
| 06:33.22 | PyGuy | Is it possible for /home/shared (for example) to span across two HDDs? |
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| 06:33.39 | zignig | PyGuy: have a look at LVM and LVM2 |
| 06:33.44 | PyGuy | Thanks |
| 06:33.45 | Guerin | exobyte: since you write the script, you should be able to tell it what path to use |
| 06:33.53 | rdancer | Guerin: ``reverse-engineer this!'' |
| 06:33.55 | msn | How do I activate frame buffer on my console |
| 06:33.57 | Guerin | rdancer: keep yer stinkin' eyepod |
| 06:34.07 | Phated | Yeah, even I got off the iPod. |
| 06:34.13 | Phated | It's all about Creative now! |
| 06:34.15 | exobyte | Guerin: The case I'm concerned with is /foo/bar/test.sh |
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| 06:34.21 | esac | can anybody help with using wireless and WPA/EAP-TLS .. ive tried xsupplicant/wpa_supplicant and cant figure it out. i have the 3 certificates required, but it doesn't authenticate |
| 06:34.28 | nevyn | Phated: iriver |
| 06:34.30 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.39 | nevyn | it's all about Iriver |
| 06:34.40 | Phated | nevyn: Zen Touch or something, actually. |
| 06:34.42 | Guerin | rio |
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| 06:34.46 | cafuego | Phated: Nah, Creative isn't a hip or cool company. They make walmart products. |
| 06:35.00 | Guerin | fuck yeah |
| 06:35.02 | Phated | cafuego: Hey! I resent that. We don't even have walmart here! |
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| 06:35.15 | cafuego | Phated: We don't have it here either, but you knew what I meant ;-) |
| 06:35.26 | tchino | how can install a second graphik-cart |
| 06:35.38 | Guerin | tchino: 1) plug it in 2) done |
| 06:35.40 | Phated | cafuego: :P Creative isn't based in YOUR country, is it. |
| 06:35.41 | cafuego | tchino: Buy it, plug it in. Note you'll need to buy a PCI one. |
| 06:35.48 | cafuego | Phated: Nah |
| 06:36.00 | cafuego | Phated: Guerins current country, I think. |
| 06:36.01 | JohnP789 | What part of using an SD card isn't supposed to work? This seems OK here. |
| 06:36.08 | Phated | cafuego: Exactly. They're based in mine, actually. |
| 06:36.27 | cafuego | Phated: You don't have a country, you have a city :-P |
| 06:36.32 | rdancer | i got this litlle wget bugreport out: http://bugs.debian.org/284875 in a snap, wget has grave security problems. i'd appreciate your comments. |
| 06:36.43 | exobyte | Guerin: I know you don't have that file, but what if someone runs my script like that |
| 06:36.49 | Guerin | JohnP789: on linux? |
| 06:37.01 | JohnP789 | Guerin, yep. |
| 06:37.02 | Phated | cafuego: It's a city-state... *snif* |
| 06:37.06 | cafuego | roler: IF it uses USB intrernally, you'll need usb-storage, scsi emulation and scsi disk support. |
| 06:37.22 | MacCoaster | I'm new to Debian and I read that you don't "force" override dependencies... but how do I install libapache-mod-ruby without installing apache 1.3 cuz i already have apache 2.0? |
| 06:37.36 | tchino | Guerin: i have installed it in, what kind of file i have to edit |
| 06:37.40 | cafuego | Phated: I still liked Hong Kong more ;-) |
| 06:37.46 | Guerin | exobyte: add a line at the top of your path which says PATH=/foo:/bar/baz:/bling/bling or somesuch; then at any stage later in the script you can use echo $PATH to show it |
| 06:37.59 | cafuego | MacCoaster: try libapache2-mod-ruby |
| 06:38.06 | Guerin | JohnP789: interesting. What model reader, what kernel, what driver? |
| 06:38.07 | Phated | cafuego: I do agree, Hong Kong is fairly cool. |
| 06:38.07 | rdancer | here-is-an-uri-wget-it-from-me is not much different from give-me-your-root-pw. which explains my strange behaviour earlier this day |
| 06:38.15 | MacCoaster | cafuego: ah thanks |
| 06:38.18 | rdancer | s/root-// |
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| 06:38.27 | Guerin | tchino: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:38.35 | zignig | !sing bob2 |
| 06:38.35 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 06:38.38 | cafuego | Phated: Yeah, from what I saw the chinese haven't broken it too much since the takeover. |
| 06:38.45 | exobyte | Guerin: there's just something that's a pain about setting the path to pull this off |
| 06:39.00 | JohnP789 | Guerin, cheap PQI USB, kernel 2.6.8-1-386, usbcore: registered new driver usb-storage |
| 06:39.01 | Phated | cafuego: Not much at all, really. |
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| 06:39.03 | Guerin | exobyte: you're being too vague, I can't help you |
| 06:39.09 | Phated | Guerin: That's a lovely place. |
| 06:39.12 | hanoi_pm | I'm to make some programs (GUI) which expected to be cross platform, so I should use GTK or WxWindows? |
| 06:39.16 | Guerin | JohnP789: have you actually tested it with a SDcard? |
| 06:39.33 | zignig | hanoi_pm: WxWindows |
| 06:39.37 | Phated | GTK GTK GTK GTK ooooh pretty it's pretty... |
| 06:39.39 | cafuego | which is clearly NOT the way to see it |
| 06:39.43 | Guerin | hanoi_pm: either. GTK2 is supported on windows. |
| 06:39.48 | JohnP789 | Guerin, mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sd/ ; ls /mnt/sd/ ; touch /mnt/sd/foo |
| 06:39.56 | Phated | cafuego: I stayed at a hotel there for one night. Not exactly an immersion, but it was nice. |
| 06:40.08 | cafuego | hanoi_pm: There's Qt for windoze as well as Linux; no joy on MacOS though. |
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| 06:40.27 | JohnP789 | Guerin, This card has the SD logo, so I suppose it's not just an MMC. |
| 06:40.35 | hanoi_pm | WxWindows or GTK, which one has more features? |
| 06:40.39 | cafuego | Phated: We just got shuffled from church to casino to jade craft shop to .... |
| 06:40.40 | teejay | This is going to sound dumb, but on a simple, fresh install of Debian 3.0r2, how do you start up X so FluxBox can connect to it? startx and xinit don't work. |
| 06:40.55 | JohnP789 | Guerin, Maybe this reader is too old to speak SD and is running under MMC or even SPI mode. |
| 06:41.09 | cafuego | teejay: 'startx' after adding 'fluxbox' to ~/.xsession |
| 06:41.12 | Phated | cafuego: I see the point. We went church to food store thing to (very briefly) casino to hotel to food store thing. |
| 06:41.21 | Guerin | JohnP789: it's be interesting to find out for sure. |
| 06:41.23 | Phated | teejay: startx /usr/bin/fluxbox |
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| 06:41.47 | teejay | startx isn't found. |
| 06:41.49 | Mad-Duck | hanoi_pm> none of these, i don't know any library that really provides a FULL cross-platform gui, you'll have to do it yourself. But if your goal is just a UNIX/windows compatibility, i think you can choose the one you prefer |
| 06:41.56 | teejay | startx: command not found. |
| 06:41.57 | Guerin | teejay: apt-get insta;; x-window-system-core |
| 06:41.58 | Phated | Did you, er, install xserver-xfree86? |
| 06:42.02 | Guerin | s/;;/ll/ |
| 06:42.03 | cafuego | Phated: I was working in HK at that time at a conferdnce and one the sessions got underway I had all day to wander about in the bakc streets - it was great :-) |
| 06:42.08 | teejay | Thought I did... Maybe it's something stupid like that. |
| 06:42.08 | hanoi_pm | Mad-Duck: thank you |
| 06:42.13 | Phated | cafuego: Ooh, lovely. |
| 06:42.30 | cafuego | tho the frog decapitation at the market wasn't my favoutite |
| 06:42.36 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 06:42.37 | Guerin | hanoi_pm: you need to ask in a more specific forum than this. Like #language-you |
| 06:42.42 | Guerin | 're-using |
| 06:42.44 | Guerin | ehh |
| 06:42.53 | Phated | Thing about frogs is... They're lovely, but not if you need to see them dying. |
| 06:42.54 | cafuego | Phated: or wandering around star ferry house drooling at tech toys |
| 06:42.54 | Mad-Duck | hanoi_pm> i have a preference for GTK... |
| 06:42.56 | hanoi_pm | heh, thank you Guerin |
| 06:43.07 | teejay | Heh. Go figure. Installed it, and forgot to set it up. Thanks. |
| 06:43.09 | Phated | cafuego: Oooh. |
| 06:43.20 | Phated | GTK GTK GTK. |
| 06:43.25 | Phated | Don't make me chant some more. |
| 06:43.27 | Guerin | yay, thailand in ... about 2 months |
| 06:43.34 | Phated | Guerin: Woo, fun! |
| 06:43.41 | cafuego | yay tassie in about a month :-) |
| 06:43.48 | cafuego | and europe in 6 or 7. |
| 06:43.55 | Guerin | i know, it's a bit far off for me to be looking forward too much |
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| 06:44.03 | Phated | Not at all. |
| 06:44.08 | Phated | The way my mom books trips... |
| 06:44.10 | cafuego | Guerin: Nah, there's no such thing for travel. |
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| 06:44.31 | JohnP789 | Guerin, Not sure how to check which protocol is being used by this PQI device. |
| 06:44.45 | JohnP789 | Guerin, I've got a scope in the basement, but I don't need to know that bad. |
| 06:44.59 | Guerin | JohnP789: yeah, I don't know either. The documentation for usb-storage might tell you |
| 06:45.06 | Guerin | scope? |
| 06:45.19 | Guerin | is it night-vision? |
| 06:45.23 | JohnP789 | Guerin, Tek oscilloscope. |
| 06:45.30 | Guerin | ah |
| 06:45.34 | Guerin | :( |
| 06:45.46 | Mad-Duck | wow! i just realized i haven't sleep that night... |
| 06:45.58 | Phated | And you're amazed WHY? |
| 06:46.16 | Phated | Not sleeping is a part of everynight life for the denizens of #debian... |
| 06:46.33 | cafuego | Phated: Pfff. No way. Daddy needs his nap. |
| 06:46.35 | Mad-Duck | not amazed, surprised, i was thinking it was about 4am or something like that |
| 06:46.55 | Phated | cafuego: Sorry, s/the/the younger/ |
| 06:47.08 | cafuego | thankyou |
| 06:47.18 | Phated | Noproblem. |
| 06:47.30 | deadcat | what card uses prism54? brand/model |
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| 06:47.44 | cafuego | !prism54 |
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| 06:47.46 | Penix | haha, http://www.yellowtab.com |
| 06:47.54 | stew | deadcat: http://seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/ClientAdapters_2f802_2e11g |
| 06:47.55 | cafuego | deadcat: There's a website. Go look. |
| 06:48.07 | deadcat | thanks. |
| 06:48.11 | cafuego | don't make me FGI you |
| 06:48.22 | JohnP789 | Guerin, Maybe it's just the security features that aren't available. |
| 06:48.29 | deadcat | (= |
| 06:48.36 | Phated | No, noooo! Not the FGIs! |
| 06:48.45 | sword- | anyone here ever used ndiswrapper? |
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| 06:48.53 | cafuego | sword-: I have, for a short while. |
| 06:49.00 | deadcat | just 1 card? |
| 06:49.12 | sword- | im having trouble loading the module =( |
| 06:49.34 | stew | http://prism54.org/supported_cards.php |
| 06:49.35 | sword- | the ndiswrapper.ko file is in my /lib/modules/'uname -r' folder |
| 06:49.52 | stew | deadcat: the seattlewireless one might not get timely updates |
| 06:49.55 | cafuego | stew: that's the one |
| 06:49.56 | sword- | i got a linksys card |
| 06:50.28 | stew | cafuego: which? |
| 06:50.33 | cafuego | sword-: You need to run the setup thing so it knows what windows driver to load. |
| 06:50.38 | cafuego | stew: prism54 |
| 06:50.48 | sword- | i installed the driver cafuego |
| 06:50.53 | stew | k, mine works anyway :) |
| 06:51.01 | sword- | but for some reason...it says the driver isnt found |
| 06:51.01 | deadcat | stew: thanks |
| 06:51.15 | sword- | and i went in /usr/src and compiled the module |
| 06:51.22 | Guerin | !sd card is <reply> Linux doesn't include support from SD cards because the SD Card Association license disallows open source drivers, probably because of their product's "security features" (read: soul-sucking DRM). For more information, see http://tuxmobil.org/mmc_sd_card_unix.html |
| 06:51.23 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 06:51.31 | sword- | and i have a ndiswrapper.ko file among others.. |
| 06:51.32 | cafuego | deadcat: Keep in mind that SOME of the cards that are listed there have moltiple versions and that some of those versions do NOT use a prism54 chip. Notably SMC. |
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| 06:52.19 | JohnP789 | Guerin, support from SD cards? |
| 06:52.26 | Guerin | JohnP789: ? |
| 06:52.27 | deadcat | cafuego: ya. just like the freakin siemen b card. |
| 06:52.33 | JohnP789 | s/from/for/ ? |
| 06:52.45 | sword- | kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-k7_2.6.8-10_i386.deb |
| 06:52.52 | sword- | i might need this header |
| 06:53.02 | Guerin | JohnP789: no. They can't be, and aren't, supported in the linux kernel or other free software, apparently. |
| 06:53.02 | sword- | i have the 686 version |
| 06:53.18 | Guerin | JohnP789: I strongly suspect yours is using some kind of fallback emulation mode. |
| 06:53.27 | Guerin | JohnP789: or is not really a SD card |
| 06:53.30 | msn | How do I activate framebuffer on my ttys` |
| 06:53.30 | cafuego | Guerin: Yeah, it'll be using MMC mode |
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| 06:53.49 | Guerin | so not that "secure" after all. |
| 06:53.51 | cafuego | Guerin: SD is basically SD minus the sign-here-in-blood drm. |
| 06:53.59 | roler | what /dev/device would a USB memory stick or filesystem use? |
| 06:54.17 | cafuego | roler: /dev/sdXY |
| 06:54.19 | JohnP789 | roler: Mine just showed up on /dev/sdc1 |
| 06:54.42 | JohnP789 | roler: But my USB reader is a 6-in-1 job and the card was in the third slot. |
| 06:54.47 | Guerin | dpkg, sd card is also Some "SD Cards" seem to work in free software as MMC cards - all you get the storage, but not the DRM. |
| 06:54.47 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 06:54.57 | roler | ok |
| 06:55.09 | Guerin | err |
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| 06:55.34 | Guerin | dpkg, sd card =~ s/all you /you// |
| 06:55.41 | cafuego | dpkg, sd card =~ s/but not the DRM./but not the DRM - so they are GREAT!/ |
| 06:55.42 | dpkg | OK, cafuego |
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| 06:56.24 | Guerin | hrm, I wonder how long until SD Cards are no longer MMC-card compatible |
| 06:56.46 | stew | dpkg, sd card =~ s/youget/you get/ |
| 06:56.46 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 06:56.52 | cafuego | Guerin: MS Secure Computing |
| 06:57.02 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 06:57.11 | Guerin | trust-the-computer-the-computer-is-your-friend computing, you mean? |
| 06:57.23 | cafuego | Guerin: So you can't load unsigned drivers that try to access the hardware in non-approved ways. |
| 06:57.28 | roler | does this line mean anything? :usb 2-3: new low speed USB device using address 2 |
| 06:57.30 | simonrvn | oh wait, isn't that that thing where they'll lock themselves out from the rest of the world? :) |
| 06:57.43 | nevyn | Guerin: microsoft can trust the computer you mean.. |
| 06:57.53 | Guerin | roler: it means a new low speed USB device is using address 2 |
| 06:58.04 | JohnP789 | It's late here in Missouri. Good night all! |
| 06:58.04 | cafuego | they'll legislate themselves up their own arses and disappear |
| 06:58.09 | Guerin | nevyn: you missed the paranoia reference |
| 06:58.12 | simonrvn | anyone with a modicum of sanity won't be installing winbloze of any kind |
| 06:58.25 | roler | i guess my card reader is not supported |
| 06:58.26 | cafuego | simonrvn: ... or anyone with non-x86 hardware |
| 06:58.27 | roler | oh well |
| 06:58.31 | Phated | simonrvn: You just made me very, very scared... |
| 06:58.36 | simonrvn | cafuego: uh hunh |
| 06:59.05 | simonrvn | DRM is evil |
| 06:59.09 | Guerin | simonrvn: would that more people had a modicum of sanity. The fact is that people BELIEVE corporations when they say "UR computer iz broadc4st1ng a IP address!!!1" |
| 06:59.11 | cafuego | amd64 excepted, althout winxp-64 doesn't actually have drivers for any of the consumer grade mobo's IDE/SATA controllers. |
| 06:59.14 | simonrvn | (not the xfree stuff) |
| 06:59.35 | lnxduk | how do I turn daemons on or off? |
| 06:59.36 | cafuego | so it just BSODs at bootup and complains the hardware is broken |
| 06:59.42 | simonrvn | Guerin: it's the typical thing of taking advantage of people's ignorance. |
| 06:59.47 | cafuego | lnxduk: incantations. Check the spell book. |
| 06:59.53 | simonrvn | lnxduk: you stop them |
| 07:00.04 | Phated | The Book Of E-Ville! |
| 07:00.05 | Guerin | roler: it might work; try it, or ask on that tuxmobil site how you'd get your sdcards and/or sdcard reader working as MMC cards. |
| 07:00.08 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. |
| 07:00.12 | fishhead | OMG |
| 07:00.15 | stew | lnxduk: man update-rc.d , invoke-rc.d |
| 07:00.18 | fishhead | roler are you canadian ? |
| 07:00.20 | lnxduk | so, how do I specifies which ones load on boot? |
| 07:00.22 | simonrvn | Guerin: totally unethical |
| 07:00.23 | MerlinCorey | OMG NOES NOT MY EYE PEAS! |
| 07:00.26 | lnxduk | with debian |
| 07:00.32 | cafuego | Oh slash-etcetera init dot dee daemon start! |
| 07:00.40 | simonrvn | lnxduk: update-rc.d |
| 07:00.41 | stew | haha |
| 07:00.42 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah. And been going on for yeages... |
| 07:00.47 | Guerin | MerlinCorey++ |
| 07:00.49 | simonrvn | Guerin: yup :( |
| 07:00.59 | lnxduk | simonrvn: ah ok thanks |
| 07:01.06 | Phated | cafuego: Couple more slashes or <tab>s in there... :) |
| 07:01.09 | cafuego | lnxduk: Or for something less sucky to use, try 'rcconf' |
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| 07:01.31 | lnxduk | cool... one other thing, how do I make sure the running kernel has ext3 support? |
| 07:01.43 | stoned | how do I generate a list of all files and subdirectories within a particluar directory, I got as far as reading the man page on ls and then trying to use '>' with /filename to save it to,but I cannot quite figure out the switch i need to use in order to be able to do this |
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| 07:01.48 | lnxduk | I'm about to convert the filesystem, but I don't want to be stuck |
| 07:01.48 | simonrvn | lnxduk: you build it with it. |
| 07:01.50 | cafuego | lnxduk: grep EXT3 /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:01.53 | Guerin | lnxduk: grep EXT3 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 07:02.01 | Guerin | indeed |
| 07:02.03 | cafuego | lnxduk: ext3 mounts fine as ext2, though. |
| 07:02.04 | jm_ | stoned: use find |
| 07:02.04 | Phated | Why don't you build a new kernel first? :) |
| 07:02.05 | LTx | anyone here familiar with openvpn? |
| 07:02.06 | simonrvn | Guerin: POSIX dude! |
| 07:02.24 | Guerin | simonrvn: just learnt it that way :) |
| 07:02.27 | stoned | jm_, i can 'find' to >/filename also? |
| 07:02.32 | cafuego | LTx: No, but pptpd works fine. |
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| 07:02.41 | lnxduk | cafuego: oh thanks, that is important |
| 07:02.44 | Guerin | stoned: anything which spits out output can be redirected to a file, yes. |
| 07:02.50 | LTx | hmm, ok |
| 07:02.54 | stoned | ok |
| 07:02.57 | stoned | brb thebn |
| 07:03.00 | cafuego | Guerin: Except /dev/llama |
| 07:03.04 | MerlinCorey | stoned: > is a pipe. you can pipe any output you want to whatever file you want ;) |
| 07:03.07 | lnxduk | whoever built this kernel didn't copy the config over |
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| 07:03.22 | Guerin | cafuego: /dev/llama doesn't spit out output on my system... you must not be using debian |
| 07:03.26 | cafuego | lnxduk: Get your axe, find them. |
| 07:03.28 | jm_ | stoned: of course |
| 07:03.28 | stoned | there should be a commandc alled 'woman' |
| 07:03.34 | Guerin | either that, or you're using debian llama/linux |
| 07:03.37 | stew | Guerin: man MAKEDEV |
| 07:03.40 | Phated | Old joke, the women refused. |
| 07:03.43 | stew | :) |
| 07:03.55 | MerlinCorey | stoned: you should have a better handle on pipes with a nick like that ^_^ |
| 07:03.57 | Guerin | stew: I shouldn't have to build my own llama! What kind of backwards OS is this!!!1 |
| 07:04.03 | stoned | MerlinCorey, HAHAHA |
| 07:04.07 | stoned | nice one brother |
| 07:04.08 | cafuego | They were coding the command, but got a headache. |
| 07:04.20 | Phated | cafuego: PMS ATTACK! |
| 07:04.26 | Phated | Ph34r the women. |
| 07:04.36 | stoned | Phated, of course its an old idea |
| 07:04.37 | stew | Guerin: thats not to make a llama its to conjur one |
| 07:04.43 | stoned | and of course the women refused |
| 07:04.46 | Phated | Llama llama llama llama llama gnu gnu llama llama. |
| 07:04.53 | stoned | but still, there SHOULD be a command like that |
| 07:04.58 | Guerin | stoned: make one. |
| 07:05.05 | stoned | i dunno what to make it do |
| 07:05.05 | stoned | lol |
| 07:05.18 | stoned | like assisst man or give it a hard time ;) |
| 07:05.30 | cafuego | llama, alpaca, guanaco, vicuna, camel |
| 07:05.30 | Phated | The second, of course. |
| 07:05.37 | stew | alpacas are the cutest |
| 07:05.40 | cafuego | GET YER UNGULATES HERE! |
| 07:05.42 | Guerin | stoned: a hard time is nothing you'll be getting from any real women soon, with that 'tude |
| 07:05.51 | cafuego | stew: Actually vicunas are, but you may not have seen one |
| 07:05.53 | MerlinCorey | stoned: depending on the result of POM, your luck, and various other things, it will read once from the TRUE.NAGS file |
| 07:05.59 | stew | cafuego: actually you are right |
| 07:06.03 | Phated | Go Guerin go. |
| 07:06.05 | stoned | Guerin, im spoken for |
| 07:06.10 | stoned | MerlinCorey, word LOL |
| 07:06.14 | stew | Guerin: yeah, he's probably not gonna get sex from #debian if he keeps that up |
| 07:06.30 | LemmyWinks | you can get sex here? |
| 07:06.34 | LemmyWinks | apt-get install sex? |
| 07:06.37 | Phated | Meh, all of you can rape him in the arse for what women in here care/ |
| 07:06.39 | Guerin | stew: his collection of pornstars must be growing by the minute |
| 07:06.47 | Guerin | ! |
| 07:06.54 | stoned | i don't want anthing from any woman except my future wife, my fiancee, and my childhood love |
| 07:06.55 | stoned | :) |
| 07:06.56 | directhex | !info sex |
| 07:06.58 | cafuego | Phated: neither woman cares for him? |
| 07:07.02 | LemmyWinks | theres been quite a few times I would have liked to dpkg-reconfigure drunk hookup |
| 07:07.14 | stew | oh cmon there are at least 3 |
| 07:07.15 | Phated | cafuego: We do have more than two in here, but I don't, that's true. |
| 07:07.29 | Phated | Four, actually, at my last count. Five if you include dpkg. |
| 07:07.35 | stew | at least more than 2 that claim to be women |
| 07:07.35 | cafuego | Phated: Well, there's only one verified as fara s I'm concerned. |
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| 07:07.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:07.47 | stoned | but you know, I am allowed to marry 4 women, legally, simultaneously |
| 07:07.48 | stoned | :D |
| 07:07.49 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 07:08.00 | stew | but everyone knows you get better help in #debian if you show up with a nick like "jennifer" |
| 07:08.05 | Guerin | stoned: not in Louisisna, you're not.... oh, wait... |
| 07:08.06 | stew | instead of "steve" |
| 07:08.06 | cafuego | stoned: The hard part would be to find all four of them. |
| 07:08.10 | Phated | Mm only if we include that one chick. |
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| 07:08.19 | stew | !gender |
| 07:08.19 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 07:08.19 | stoned | Guerin, LOL |
| 07:08.23 | Phated | Eh! |
| 07:08.30 | Phated | She used to be lesbian, damnit. |
| 07:08.38 | Phated | Ack. |
| 07:08.39 | SchoolGrrlJenny | Where cna I get xorg plz kthx stfu? |
| 07:08.46 | stoned | Phated, I believe gender and sexual preferences are quite different |
| 07:08.53 | stew | SchoolGrrlJenny: i can help you compile it |
| 07:08.55 | stew | SchoolGrrlJenny: if you want |
| 07:09.00 | Phated | stoned: She used to be lesbian. Shush. |
| 07:09.00 | stoned | but in the case of lesbians, it can only be one, female |
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| 07:09.06 | restrex | hi guyz, i've compiled the kernel... it created a .deb... I have to install it with: dpkg -i mikernelimage.deb? |
| 07:09.10 | Guerin | stoned: there's a correlative relationship, but not necessarily a causative one. |
| 07:09.17 | Phated | restrex: Yes. |
| 07:09.23 | directhex | restrex, that's the plan |
| 07:09.23 | SchoolGrrlJenny | directhex: "freak" != "lesbian" |
| 07:09.27 | stoned | Guerin, you are a very smart guy :) |
| 07:09.32 | Phated | Guerin: You lost me somewhere after :. |
| 07:09.32 | restrex | ok, thanks :) |
| 07:09.49 | stoned | a bit arrogant, but not enough to look like an asshole |
| 07:09.54 | stoned | good man |
| 07:09.56 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 07:10.03 | Guerin | stoned: I am not arrogant, you fucking twat |
| 07:10.04 | MerlinCorey | !joint Guerin |
| 07:10.05 | Phated | Oooh someone's kissing arse... |
| 07:10.08 | MerlinCorey | bah |
| 07:10.14 | Phated | Go Guerin go! Rip him a new one! |
| 07:10.17 | stoned | hah |
| 07:10.32 | Phated | Anyways I concur. When the FUCK was Guerin arrogant? |
| 07:10.37 | SchoolGrrlJenny | stoned: One can hardly be arrogant if one is just CORRECT all the time. |
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| 07:10.42 | stoned | I have nothing to lose or gain from it |
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| 07:10.54 | debian | SchoolGrrlJenny: a/s/l? |
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| 07:11.05 | stoned | ALL the time, no, most of the time, I can believe |
| 07:11.11 | debian | cafuego: :( |
| 07:11.23 | Guerin | (whether that makes me arrogant or not, I'll leave as an exercise to the reader) |
| 07:11.23 | cafuego | debian: twice yours/yes/very VERY far away |
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| 07:11.38 | stoned | I didn't mean to implicate any disrespect, it was jut my general observation of you in the past month or so |
| 07:11.44 | Guerin | hahah |
| 07:11.48 | stoned | like I said, your a good man |
| 07:11.53 | debian | cafuego: I don't do somebody with sex 'yes' |
| 07:12.08 | MerlinCorey | TOO slutty, debian? |
| 07:12.09 | Guerin | debian: well, you wouldn't get far with someone with sex "no" |
| 07:12.12 | cafuego | debian: That's NOT what my answer implies. |
| 07:12.14 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 07:12.18 | stoned | Guerin, do you get paid to sit on irc and help people? |
| 07:12.28 | debian | :O |
| 07:12.32 | Phated | No, he gets paid to sit on IRC and appear arrogant. |
| 07:12.34 | stoned | I doubt it |
| 07:12.39 | Guerin | stoned: yes and no. |
| 07:12.45 | cafuego | stoned: Not in money, generally. |
| 07:12.52 | restrex | ohhhhhhhh i compiled soo bad my firts 'kernel compiling' |
| 07:12.53 | restrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.55 | restrex | :( |
| 07:12.55 | rdancer | he gets paid, which makes him arrogant |
| 07:12.56 | stoned | well voluntering to help the debian community |
| 07:12.59 | stoned | thats what I meant |
| 07:13.08 | stoned | so you know what I mean when I say you are a good man |
| 07:13.09 | cafuego | stoned: THough that's debatable if you count the free places to stay when travelling. |
| 07:13.10 | stew | he said firts |
| 07:13.17 | Guerin | stoned: I get paid in knowledge. |
| 07:13.19 | stoned | cafuego, that is earned |
| 07:13.20 | stoned | :) |
| 07:13.22 | stoned | well earned |
| 07:13.23 | Phated | Aren't we all implicitly and/or explicitly volunteering by being here? |
| 07:13.27 | stoned | Guerin, that too, word |
| 07:13.33 | debian | stoned: how much will you pay him? :) A almighty online game GM got $10/hr. :) |
| 07:13.34 | Guerin | Yeah, and places to crash when I travel the world. |
| 07:13.40 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: hey, hey, I offered a place to stay and all the good homegrown you could handle! |
| 07:13.44 | deadcat | Phated: i am being forces. (= |
| 07:13.53 | Phated | deadcat: And yet you smile. YOU LIE! |
| 07:13.54 | Guerin | fuck mate, $10/hour for irc support and I'd be a zillionaire |
| 07:13.59 | deadcat | HAHAHAH shit |
| 07:14.13 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: indeed you did, and I shall be sure to take you up on that when I make it to the US |
| 07:14.13 | stoned | lol |
| 07:14.19 | MerlinCorey | woot woot :) |
| 07:14.21 | cafuego | Guerin: Honestly, would you ever get out of bed for $10/hour? |
| 07:14.22 | Guerin | if I get there before SkyNet, that it |
| 07:14.24 | Guerin | is |
| 07:14.30 | stoned | lol |
| 07:14.32 | stoned | skynet |
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| 07:14.33 | stoned | hehehe |
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| 07:14.38 | Phated | cafuego: Ey, I'd do a lot of things for $10/h. |
| 07:14.44 | debian | Guerin: but you don't have the power to teleport arrogant player to remote limbo with arrogant dragons |
| 07:14.50 | msn | How can I change the default man page viewer |
| 07:14.51 | Guerin | cafuego: I used to... I dunno about any more. |
| 07:14.52 | stoned | i wonder if they would make a mud out of terminator world |
| 07:14.57 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Yes, a lot. |
| 07:15.03 | directhex | Phated, define 'a lot of things' |
| 07:15.14 | Guerin | I probably would. I'm not a computer geek, I'm just a lowly LibArts grad |
| 07:15.16 | cafuego | Phated: I'll ask again next time I'm in .sg ;-) |
| 07:15.18 | MerlinCorey | Phated: like, a lot of things for an hour, or a lot of things in an hour? |
| 07:15.19 | stew | msn: dpkg-reconfigure --config pager ; or edit the PAGER env var |
| 07:15.24 | Phated | directhex: I'd go to greta lengths if it meant I could earn 10 dollars an hour. |
| 07:15.31 | Phated | MerlinCorey: See above. |
| 07:15.34 | Phated | cafuego: ;) |
| 07:15.39 | Phated | great* |
| 07:15.52 | Phated | Guerin: I dunno. It was better than I'd thought it would be. |
| 07:15.59 | MerlinCorey | Phated: when I am rich, I will pay you $20 an hour to smoke weed and chat on IRC |
| 07:16.01 | Phated | I always forget this isn't #d-o. |
| 07:16.06 | Phated | MerlinCorey: I'll pass. |
| 07:16.07 | debian | !d-o |
| 07:16.19 | LemmyWinks | MerlinCorey, Hook me up too!! Im a friggin expert at that |
| 07:16.21 | cafuego | #debioan-oldpeople |
| 07:16.23 | msn | currently DEbian uses "more" asa standard viewer for man pages and info and perldoc, I want to use less |
| 07:16.27 | MerlinCorey | lol @ LemmyWinks |
| 07:16.32 | debian | not #debian-oddpeople |
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| 07:16.35 | Guerin | msn: apt-get install less |
| 07:16.36 | directhex | msn is less installed? |
| 07:16.52 | LemmyWinks | hey the best advice ive ever heard is to find what I love and figure out how to get paid for it |
| 07:16.57 | msn | directhex: yeah |
| 07:17.08 | MerlinCorey | LemmyWinks: indeed, indeed |
| 07:17.09 | stoned | LemmyWinks, professional sperm donor? |
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| 07:17.20 | Phated | Hehe... I like sex... I do think I could get paid for that... |
| 07:17.27 | stew | Phated: uhhh |
| 07:17.28 | msn | I tried dpkg-reconfigure --config pager with no success other than the error |
| 07:17.30 | stew | Phated: probably |
| 07:17.48 | cafuego | Phated: generally not hard. they question is, paid by WHOM |
| 07:17.48 | directhex | msn, man update-alternatives ought to help, but you're on the right track |
| 07:17.52 | lnxduk | does anyone know how to decapitate windows? |
| 07:17.55 | debian | Phated: you got to be pretty good at it to get paid |
| 07:17.57 | stew | msn: ho shit make tuat update-alternatives --config |
| 07:18.02 | stoned | debian, anyone can shoot, u wanna mano y mano, hand to hand combat, u wanna thake this outside |
| 07:18.12 | stoned | i could take you |
| 07:18.21 | debian | stoned: cooincidentally, I got blackbelt in judo. :) |
| 07:18.26 | stoned | yeh |
| 07:18.27 | stoned | well |
| 07:18.27 | stew | wow, my typing has been really bad this week, i almost said ho shit and twat in the same sentence |
| 07:18.27 | Phated | cafuego: Someone rich. :) |
| 07:18.28 | stoned | I |
| 07:18.34 | Guerin | everyone on irc has a black belt |
| 07:18.36 | stoned | umm.. I got bong |
| 07:18.38 | stew | i'm gonna blame the vaccinations i got in my arm yesterday |
| 07:18.40 | stoned | :D |
| 07:18.41 | cafuego | Phated: and thus probably old and ugly? :-) |
| 07:18.46 | debian | stoned: cheating :PP |
| 07:18.48 | cafuego | Phated: /nick Anna_Nicole |
| 07:18.52 | Phated | debian: You don't need to be good at it. You just need to find someone desperate. Duh. |
| 07:19.14 | Phated | cafuego: Old, ugly, whatever. Rich is all that matters. Because when you turn the lights out... The money don't disappear. |
| 07:19.24 | Sazpaimon | crap |
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| 07:19.30 | cafuego | Phated: Who says the client lets you turn out the lights? |
| 07:19.30 | MerlinCorey | ha! I had some 15 year old kid bet me today he would find me and kick my ass..... |
| 07:19.32 | Sazpaimon | I hope I have enough space to do upgrade |
| 07:19.33 | debian | Phated: like federal prison? |
| 07:19.41 | msn | stoned: I get : There is only one package which provides pager, while less and cat are installed |
| 07:19.41 | MerlinCorey | (on IRC) |
| 07:19.42 | Sazpaimon | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 |
| 07:19.43 | Sazpaimon | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.47 | Sazpaimon | not good |
| 07:19.59 | Guerin | msn: apt-get remove --purge more |
| 07:20.05 | Phated | cafuego: My good man, you get a client who likes bdsm... And you dominate AND get paid. |
| 07:20.08 | debian | Sazpaimon: apt-get clean |
| 07:20.14 | Phated | debian: Dunno, they have no money in there. |
| 07:20.22 | Sazpaimon | debian, Im in the middle of a dist-upgrade |
| 07:20.29 | cafuego | Phated: So you make 'em wear a black rubber hood... ok, that works. |
| 07:20.39 | Phated | cafuego: Exactemundo. |
| 07:20.41 | debian | Phated: yu can earn enough cig to buy a country if you work hard enough |
| 07:20.48 | stew | Phated: no that is a racket. i knew a girl that did that. she just loved beating up men and getting paid... |
| 07:20.54 | Phated | debian: I don't want a country... |
| 07:20.55 | debian | Sazpaimon: stop it then |
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| 07:21.10 | debian | Sazpaimon: don't you get warning....did you by chance at -u? |
| 07:21.16 | Sazpaimon | once my space gets to 95% full I will |
| 07:21.21 | debian | Sazpaimon: yu can always restart it by adding --fix-missing |
| 07:21.33 | Phated | Eh, just finish it first and then apt-get clean... |
| 07:21.40 | debian | Sazpaimon: -u tells you how much space you need |
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| 07:22.13 | Phated | stew: Yeah, it'd be a fuck of a lot of fun. |
| 07:22.36 | stew | no pun intended? |
| 07:22.41 | debian | stew: where DID you meet her? :P |
| 07:22.48 | istos | i have a problem installing my ati drivers |
| 07:22.50 | stew | debian: NYC, where else |
| 07:22.54 | debian | stew: another satisfied customer. :) |
| 07:22.58 | stew | :) |
| 07:23.04 | istos | it fails when it trys to overwrite libgl librarys |
| 07:23.08 | Phated | stew: All the pun in the world intended. |
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| 07:23.18 | stew | s/l// |
| 07:23.19 | msn | stoned: I get : There is only one package which provides pager, while less and is installed |
| 07:23.23 | punkass_ | anyone know of a good howto for making debs? |
| 07:23.28 | debian | !sex |
| 07:23.28 | dpkg | something you'll never get, geek. |
| 07:23.40 | cafuego | Hmm, why does this suggest apache-ssl when I clearly have apache-mod-ssl installed |
| 07:23.41 | debian | !a/s/l |
| 07:23.41 | dpkg | I'm a bot. Fucker. |
| 07:23.43 | stew | punkass_: apt-get install maint-guide and read /usr/share/doc/maint-guide |
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| 07:23.55 | punkass_ | ok thanks |
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| 07:31.02 | drnewbury | hi all, i was looking for help recently on getting a ITE 8212 raid controler working in debian sarge. i am trying to compile the 2.6.8 kernel with alan cox's patch. i keep getting an error and i wonder if any of you know what it could be caused by. |
| 07:31.32 | streuner | Highspeed? |
| 07:31.44 | cafuego | drnewbury: Don't use it in raid mode, use the controller in IDE mode and use kernel 'md' mode raid. |
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| 07:33.26 | streuner | !lart cafuego |
| 07:33.38 | streuner | ;-) |
| 07:34.27 | cafuego | streuner: WHAT! |
| 07:34.31 | drnewbury | i get the error when it trys to compile "drivers/ide/pci/piix.o" and it says "drivers/ide/pci/piix.c:841 error: redefinition of 'piix_ide_exit'" then "drivers/ide/pci/piix.c:833: error: 'piix_ide_exit' previously defined here" |
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| 07:35.03 | drnewbury | cafuego: i havent got it set in raid mode atm. |
| 07:35.10 | drnewbury | :( any ideas? |
| 07:35.26 | cafuego | what do you need the piix driver for if you have an ite somethingorother? |
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| 07:36.00 | cafuego | (you cna edit the file in vi and comment out one of the functions - that'll make it compile) |
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| 07:36.22 | Mad-Duck | well, time to go to sleep, good night (or day... i'm lost in time) to all! |
| 07:36.52 | streuner | drnewbury: what does 'gcc -v' say? |
| 07:37.01 | drnewbury | i have no idea :) i had so many problems before that this time i just did "make defconfig" and then "make menuconfig" and selected the ite 8212 driver then compiled. |
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| 07:38.12 | drnewbury | steuner: it says heaps of stuff :) but "gcc version 3.3.4 (debian 1:3.3.4-13)" |
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| 07:38.38 | jetscreamer | defconfig? |
| 07:38.52 | streuner | yeah - never heard that before too |
| 07:39.16 | exobyte | will echo foo 2> print to stderr? |
| 07:39.20 | drnewbury | it aparently configures the kernel with default settings |
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| 07:39.59 | Guerin | exobyte: you need to read the bash howto |
| 07:40.22 | Guerin | exobyte: tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html |
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| 07:40.30 | exobyte | Guerin: this is only kinda a bash question, but yeah- way wrong |
| 07:40.50 | streuner | :-) |
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| 07:42.07 | cafuego | drnewbury: Go into menuyconfig and disable PIIX support, see how you go. |
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| 07:42.49 | cafuego | jetscreamer: randconfig :-) |
| 07:43.11 | drnewbury | okies |
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| 07:44.09 | exobyte | Guerin: is echo foo > /dev/stderr a bad way? |
| 07:44.20 | Guerin | exobyte: yes |
| 07:44.23 | exobyte | Guerin: heh |
| 07:44.28 | exobyte | but it works |
| 07:44.29 | Guerin | exobyte: it's unnecessary |
| 07:44.39 | exobyte | it's late |
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| 07:45.42 | cafuego | fucking hell, a reidn just told me his telco is going to upgrade cable interenet to 70MBit over the coming year |
| 07:45.54 | cafuego | s/reidn/friend/ |
| 07:45.56 | drnewbury | ohh and just one more question i have been using "make-kpkg buildpackage" to compile the kernel. is that correct? if not what is the correct method? |
| 07:46.26 | streuner | cafuego: upload counts ;-) |
| 07:46.45 | Guerin | The best consumer level service here is only 55MBit |
| 07:47.08 | Guerin | apparently by end 2006 100MBit will be standard |
| 07:47.28 | Guerin | !tell drnewbury about kp mantra |
| 07:47.47 | cafuego | Guerin: You're going to HATE it if you ever go back to NZ |
| 07:47.58 | drnewbury | ? kp mantra? |
| 07:48.09 | streuner | dpkg kp mantra |
| 07:48.09 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version $(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 07:48.33 | Guerin | cafuego: fuck yeah |
| 07:48.40 | streuner | drnewbury: what you need is make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 07:48.49 | Guerin | cafuego: they're worse than .au, actually |
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| 07:49.33 | *** topic/#debian is READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian is NOT Knoppix | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg |
| 07:49.42 | Guerin | cafuego: no, most of the country can make 56k already... most. |
| 07:49.51 | cafuego | Guerin: That's *better* than AU |
| 07:50.01 | Guerin | cafuego: that 2mbit deal is apparently as fast as it gets, consumer-grade |