| 00:00.04 | simonrvn | !info xfce4 |
| 00:00.04 | mwilson | cafuego: I've never understood people who say that... you only have to do it ONCE, after all. |
| 00:00.04 | dimka-212 | !info xfce |
| 00:00.05 | directhex | !info xfce4 |
| 00:00.06 | NyteRukh | k thanks cafuego |
| 00:00.19 | simonrvn | !info xfce4-panel |
| 00:00.21 | dimka-212 | !info xfce4 |
| 00:00.25 | mwilson | dimka-212: Not last time I looked... are you incapable of looking at its web site for yourself? |
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| 00:00.27 | dpkg | xfce4: (Installs XFce4 core and scripts to set it up), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.0.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 17 kB |
| 00:00.28 | dpkg | xfce: (The Cholesterol Free Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 3.8.18-2 (sid), Packaged size: 872 kB, Installed size: 2448 kB |
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| 00:00.34 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 00:00.45 | cafuego | NyteRukh: if you want a more decent answer, ask a more decent question. |
| 00:00.45 | cat | there is your anser dimka-212 |
| 00:00.50 | alkex | asg, problem solved. It was a bad installation of module-init-tools, I would like to thank you for your help |
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| 00:01.14 | simonrvn | get off my back, don't step on me |
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| 00:01.25 | ritch | is the memoryleak in xfce4-panel fixed? |
| 00:01.27 | cafuego | NyteRukh: Don't thank me. learn how to ask proper questions. Specifying WHICH video card the laptop has would help alot. |
| 00:01.34 | cat | ritch: big time, |
| 00:01.38 | simonrvn | "stairs" vs. "stares" |
| 00:01.38 | mwilson | dimka-212: Gee, wow... there it is, right on the front page, imagine that. They actually put the release status where just ANYONE can see it. Can you IMAGINE the nerve!? |
| 00:01.52 | ritch | seeee |
| 00:01.54 | cat | yeah i had my cat here so i couldn't spelled the damn word right |
| 00:01.54 | mwilson | dimka-212: How DARE they!? |
| 00:02.15 | simonrvn | ritch: deb http://www.os-cillation.de/debian binary/ |
| 00:02.17 | simonrvn | deb-src http://www.os-cillation.de/debian source/ |
| 00:02.25 | mwilson | cafuego: It's not like you have to repeat that half-hour more than once. |
| 00:02.52 | simonrvn | mwilson: oh no, we're fucked |
| 00:02.52 | cafuego | mwilson: That depends on whether I grow bored with the way the login screen looks. |
| 00:03.03 | ritch | simonrvn: i got i from there when i realized the memoryleak. but have xfwm4 & gnome-panel now. |
| 00:03.07 | mwilson | I keep wondering when xdm will gain xft ability like the other athena tools seem to be. |
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| 00:03.34 | simonrvn | athena? xft? heh |
| 00:03.55 | mwilson | simonrvn: Why not? Other tools have. xcalc... xclock... xterm... why not xdm? |
| 00:03.56 | simonrvn | mentioned in the same sentence even. amazing |
| 00:04.30 | dimka-212 | mwilson, i'm new to linux, this Relese Candidate 2 is meaningless to me |
| 00:04.30 | sussudio | in soviet russia, beasts see you |
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| 00:04.35 | mwilson | simonrvn: Uh, xterm has supported xft fonts since 4.0 |
| 00:05.02 | simonrvn | "supported" == 1 xterm goes to 100 MB in RAM |
| 00:05.02 | dimka-212 | i never knew what it ment |
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| 00:05.16 | simonrvn | useless |
| 00:05.24 | mwilson | simonrvn: Not on my box |
| 00:05.36 | simonrvn | aren't you lucky |
| 00:06.03 | mwilson | 27730 mwilson 15 0 8356 3856 6984 S 0.3 0.2 0:10.57 xterm |
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| 00:06.42 | mwilson | It's a hell of a lot better than using gnome-terminal or konsole. |
| 00:06.52 | simonrvn | agreed |
| 00:07.16 | mwilson | xterm "just works". |
| 00:07.18 | simonrvn | my preferred one uxterm, and second is urxvt |
| 00:07.28 | mwilson | Never liked rxvt. |
| 00:07.56 | ritch | ritch 27252 1.0 0.9 7560 2608 ? S 01:06 0:00 /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm |
| 00:07.59 | ritch | but |
| 00:08.00 | ritch | ritch 31936 0.0 2.2 5228 1396 ? S Dec09 0:07 /usr/bin/aterm |
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| 00:10.13 | derekboy | Can anyone help me get SSH of IPv6 |
| 00:10.18 | derekboy | off* |
| 00:10.46 | simonrvn | what? rephrase please |
| 00:10.54 | ritch | derekboy: do you need ipv6 at all? |
| 00:10.59 | jasonf | !confuse derekboy |
| 00:10.59 | dpkg | Yes, them is my mushroom tomorrow, derekboy? pants of the monarchy of tibet with extra crabpaste |
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| 00:11.09 | cat | lol |
| 00:11.15 | smj | Good one dpkg. |
| 00:11.17 | ritch | au |
| 00:11.18 | simonrvn | @lolol cat |
| 00:11.20 | derekboy | ritch: no |
| 00:11.21 | mwilson | I never said aterm wasn't smaller. |
| 00:11.37 | mwilson | But then again, xterm does all sorts of things that aterm doesn't. |
| 00:11.40 | ritch | derekboy: then don't load the ipv6 kernel module. |
| 00:11.45 | simonrvn | "cat's mouse explodes" hehe |
| 00:11.53 | derekboy | ritch: how do i disable it |
| 00:12.07 | mwilson | And in today's world, the "xterm is SOOOOO big" argument really doesn't hold any water". |
| 00:12.07 | cat | derekboy: modconf |
| 00:12.10 | ritch | aterm is unusable in other thing too ... but small! |
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| 00:12.12 | derekboy | I try and it says "In use" |
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| 00:12.26 | zirikili | hi all... my apache does not show base64 encoded attachments... should I install any package beyond apache-common ? |
| 00:12.30 | guestish | can anyone remember the package for making java packages? |
| 00:12.41 | cat | !tell guestish about java |
| 00:12.52 | cat | zirikili: apt-cache search apache and see |
| 00:12.53 | simonrvn | derekboy: you can't remove the ipv6 module once it's loaded |
| 00:13.04 | guestish | cat: ? |
| 00:13.09 | ritch | mwilson: don't tell that to me on a 64M libretto! |
| 00:13.11 | zirikili | cat: thanks |
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| 00:13.15 | cat | zirikili: np |
| 00:13.18 | derekboy | simonrvn, how do i remove it then |
| 00:13.23 | zirikili | cat: meow |
| 00:13.27 | cat | derekboy: check /etc/modules |
| 00:13.29 | cat | and see if is there |
| 00:13.31 | simonrvn | reboot |
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| 00:13.50 | simonrvn | remove it from /etc/modules, blacklist it in hotplug / discover, etc.... |
| 00:14.14 | guestish | cat: doesnt help |
| 00:14.25 | thomas_adam | Just uninstall discover. Pile of utter shit. |
| 00:14.29 | simonrvn | bleh. /me away |
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| 00:14.31 | ritch | derekboy: /etc/modutils/aliases (2.4) |
| 00:14.32 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: yup |
| 00:14.38 | guestish | cat: worthless factoid |
| 00:14.47 | cat | well |
| 00:14.58 | NyteRukh | alright still needs work on the laptop |
| 00:15.07 | derekboy | ritch: its not in /etc/modules |
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| 00:15.32 | ritch | derekboy: i never said that - read above. |
| 00:15.49 | derekboy | # alias net-pf-10 off# IPv6 |
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| 00:15.59 | nvz | heh, this fish-fillets is a decent game |
| 00:16.05 | derekboy | should i uncomment it |
| 00:16.11 | cat | derekboy: well, |
| 00:16.14 | cat | go ahead |
| 00:16.38 | ritch | derekboy: what's printed on top of that file? yes. |
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| 00:17.02 | derekboy | can i unload these, i don't know what they are # alias net-pf-3 off# Amateur Radio AX.25 |
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| 00:17.55 | derekboy | ok thanks |
| 00:17.55 | ritch | derekboy: if you don't know what it is it's hard for us too: we don't know what you need and our glaskugel is kaputt. |
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| 00:20.09 | teckjunkie | has anyone ever got a audigy 2 NX usb sound card working correctly in any linux distro? |
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| 00:20.59 | cafuego | !supported by |
| 00:21.00 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
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| 00:21.34 | cafuego | Can anyone check http://au.php.net/ereg_replace for me please? |
| 00:21.40 | Ronin | heh,thats why i bought my usb stick and printer, nice big linux supported sitckers on the boxs |
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| 00:23.10 | ritch | yeah, but these stickers are rarely to find. unfortunately. |
| 00:23.32 | cafuego | So you check online before you buy. it's not hard. |
| 00:23.55 | jasonf | Where is that debian new users guide? |
| 00:23.59 | jasonf | I need to link up my friend |
| 00:24.12 | jasonf | !new user |
| 00:24.22 | nvz | ritch: thats why when you go into the store and they ask you if there is anything they can help you find, you say " a $foo with a linux sticker on it" and then say "oh well ... |
| 00:24.25 | nvz | "and leave |
| 00:24.55 | jasonf | dag on it, what's the trigger for that "Debian for n00bs" guide |
| 00:25.04 | jasonf | my friend needs it badly |
| 00:25.21 | ritch | nvz: hey, no prob for me - i know well before i buy. havn't booted into m$ for over two years now! |
| 00:25.27 | nvz | if they heard that shit more often they'd sell better hardware |
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| 00:26.34 | rich_ | Yea, and when they say they dont have linux say "just personal stuff huh?" as if they had said they sell only toys |
| 00:26.44 | cat | jasonf: www.debian.org/doc |
| 00:26.56 | Ronin | then you go elsewhere, assuming you have the choice of course |
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| 00:27.06 | stew | !apt-howto |
| 00:27.06 | dpkg | from memory, apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
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| 00:27.47 | jasonf | hrm. that's not what I was looking for. |
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| 00:28.22 | bessel | How to build a local debian mirror? only for i386 processor. |
| 00:28.43 | rich_ | bessel apt-move |
| 00:28.45 | bessel | I need to bring it on a USB drive for my home computer. |
| 00:28.45 | nvz | bessel: I like apt-cacher but kinda requires apache |
| 00:28.51 | Raf256 | jasonf- use history |
| 00:28.59 | nvz | bessel: ah, apt-zip maybe |
| 00:29.03 | ritch | jasonf: there's a new userguide "debiananwenderhandbuch" as the name say's: in german at http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de. this one is mentioned in one of the last debian newsletters. |
| 00:29.12 | bessel | rich_: I need a complete mirror for this processor... |
| 00:29.21 | rich_ | bessel apt-move |
| 00:29.31 | cafuego | !fgi jasonf debian+new+user+guide |
| 00:29.32 | dpkg | jasonf: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+new+user+guide |
| 00:29.35 | bessel | ok thanks let me try... |
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| 00:30.10 | nvz | cafuego: is there any other kind of php handler? |
| 00:30.32 | cafuego | nvz: Yeah, non-scary ones. |
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| 00:30.41 | jasonf | cafuego: how quaint. Believe it or not, I did google it. |
| 00:31.29 | cafuego | jasonf: Did you notice the 'Debian Desktop user's Guide' ? |
| 00:32.02 | cafuego | jasonf: Or did you in fact not google? |
| 00:32.19 | directhex | jasonf, i've written a guide to desktop debian before, if you want it |
| 00:32.25 | cafuego | "About: The Debian Desktop User's Guide is a project to bring up-to-date and effective documentation to new Debian users." |
| 00:32.37 | jasonf | cafuego: the guide I'm looking for |
| 00:32.51 | jasonf | cafuego: basically explained debian quirks for former linux users |
| 00:33.15 | cafuego | jasonf: If they can read, they'll notice. |
| 00:33.26 | jbr | jasonf: if the debian-reference doesn't have a pointer to it, submit a bugreport |
| 00:33.36 | jasonf | jbr: debian-reference? |
| 00:33.41 | jasonf | that may be what I'm looking for |
| 00:33.46 | jasonf | jbr: that sounds familiar |
| 00:33.47 | jbr | jasonf: debian.org/doc |
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| 00:34.24 | tell | i have a stupid question: how do i find out what my ip-address is? |
| 00:34.29 | jasonf | jbr: the thing I was linked to wasn't an official debian thing. |
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| 00:34.40 | ritch | tell: ifconfig |
| 00:34.43 | jasonf | jbr: I'll just ask abrotman when he comes in. I think he was the one who orignally linked me |
| 00:35.08 | tell | ritch : thanks |
| 00:36.16 | derekboy | whats a good mail/pop server |
| 00:36.49 | mstanisl | I like qmail with courier-imap |
| 00:36.58 | derekboy | thanks |
| 00:37.00 | ritch | derekboy: dovecot imap(s) and others.. |
| 00:37.02 | cafuego | derekboy: postfix with courier |
| 00:37.17 | stew | i like courier-mta with courier-imap |
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| 00:37.54 | mstanisl | cafuego: and would you make that reccomendation with some sort of basis? |
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| 00:38.06 | cafuego | mstanisl: ask dpkg about 'right' |
| 00:38.23 | mstanisl | I'd rather ask you. |
| 00:38.26 | stew | !qmail |
| 00:38.26 | dpkg | qmail is, like, a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. |
| 00:38.30 | cafuego | !right |
| 00:38.30 | dpkg | right, (adj): 1) The opposite of left. 2) What cafuego says. |
| 00:38.34 | stew | its non-free is a good reason |
| 00:38.41 | tell | what's an easy webserver prog, preferrably with a nice gui ?? |
| 00:38.52 | cafuego | mstanisl: Mainly because of the large number of people who join this channel with qmail problems. |
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| 00:38.57 | derekboy | apache? |
| 00:39.10 | derekboy | no gui but its very easy to configure |
| 00:39.11 | rich_ | I made a fantastic discovery a few weeks ago, people dont need to run mail servers. They can just run a program like xfmail or evolution to read their mail and where it says the server address, instead of 127.0.0.1, they can just put the address otheir isp's news server. If they run one already, why run another? |
| 00:39.12 | cafuego | tell: wtf would a webserver need a gui? |
| 00:39.14 | stew | tell: what do you expect the webserver gui to do? |
| 00:39.15 | mstanisl | cafuego: and that means what other then they can't configure it? :) |
| 00:39.32 | tell | for setting up the thing |
| 00:39.43 | sbk | not to mention that djb, for all his cleverness, is a remarkably obstreperous guy |
| 00:39.43 | cafuego | mstanisl: It means it's either hard to configure or attracts complete morons. Either way, not good ;-) |
| 00:39.51 | nonXero | apache with webmin maybe ? |
| 00:39.51 | rich_ | Think of all those rediundant mail servers |
| 00:40.02 | tell | nonXero : thanks |
| 00:40.06 | nonXero | np |
| 00:40.41 | mstanisl | cafuego: That can be said for new linux users, but I don't say for them to stay away from it at all costs. |
| 00:41.11 | derekboy | how do you get to courier webadmin |
| 00:41.25 | cafuego | derekboy: You install and configure it first. |
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| 00:41.48 | cafuego | mstanisl: I just tell 'em to use postfix. Easy for both beginners AND advanced users. |
| 00:41.56 | derekboy | ok how do you configure it |
| 00:41.58 | stew | derekboy: read /usr/share/doc/courier-webadmin |
| 00:42.22 | cafuego | mstanisl: That and qmail appears to not be packaged in the main repository (coz as stew says, it's non-free) |
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| 00:43.57 | nonXero | anyone seen Revolution OS ? |
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| 00:44.10 | derekboy | stew: apparently mine has not been configured right, i don't see http://localhost/cgi-bin/courierwebadmin |
| 00:44.11 | mstanisl | cafuego: The question wasn't what is packaged in the main repository -- it was 'whats a good mail/pop server' |
| 00:44.17 | zu22 | i am trying to find the program xmkmf (lesstif's version of xmkmf) it was not included in the lesstif-dev or lesstif-bin packages in sid |
| 00:44.43 | nonXero | a nice little documentary on the rise of GNU Linux :) |
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| 00:45.06 | nonXero | very cool... I highly recommend watching. |
| 00:45.08 | sussudio | !tell escualis about away |
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| 00:45.58 | cafuego | mstanisl: Well, a good mail/pop server for debian is one that's in main. |
| 00:45.58 | derekboy | Where is the courierwebadmin located? |
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| 00:46.02 | stew | derekboy: are you looking for me to tell you "configure it coffectly then" |
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| 00:46.11 | stew | derekboy: dpkg -L courier-webadmin |
| 00:46.11 | mstanisl | cafuego: that wasn't the question either. |
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| 00:46.26 | datagrape | i upgraded from woody to sarge, it borked my lilo, after i fixed that i tried to rebuild the nvidia module but it complains about gcc mismatch, so recompiled intire kernel and restarted, the nvidia source still complains that the gcc to build the current running kernel is 2.95 not 3.3, how can i check what version the kern was built with |
| 00:46.37 | mstanisl | I read the question presented and offer an answer. If the question should have more details, then the person asking should include them. |
| 00:46.50 | mstanisl | Besides, debian has gcc :) |
| 00:46.55 | peterS | datagrape: seems you've got that information already (: |
| 00:47.00 | rovragge | mstanisl: use postfix+dovecot |
| 00:47.15 | mstanisl | rovragge: I am not the one that needs a mailsystem, it's derek. |
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| 00:47.27 | mwilson | Jerry Goldsmith is dead? I didn't know that. |
| 00:47.28 | ritch | i lately set up the dovecot and had it up in 5min and just edited one(!) line in the config. |
| 00:47.32 | datagrape | peterS: but why would the nvidia module be making with gcc3.3 and the kernel i recompikled be using the old gcc?? |
| 00:47.33 | ugarit | how does one start the imapd? |
| 00:47.50 | rich_ | mstanisl I agree, we shouldnt coddle the users too much, it teaches them to be stupid |
| 00:47.57 | cafuego | mstanisl: No, but it was implied. |
| 00:48.02 | rovragge | ugarit: http://www.dovecot.org |
| 00:48.04 | peterS | datagrape: guess that depends on how you recompiled the kernel |
| 00:48.12 | mstanisl | cafuego: Oh was it? Or was that your assumption :)? |
| 00:48.15 | nonXero | ugarit: have you checked /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 00:48.16 | ritch | ugarit: looked into /etc/init.d? |
| 00:48.26 | datagrape | peterS: make clean ; make ; make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install ; make install ; reboot |
| 00:48.29 | ugarit | yes, there is nothing |
| 00:48.30 | cafuego | mstanisl: Yes, it was. |
| 00:48.47 | mstanisl | cafuego: That was a multiple part question, buy OK :) |
| 00:48.49 | nonXero | ugarit: is it installed? ? |
| 00:48.53 | cafuego | mstanisl: By asking for a good mta on #debian, one implies one emans a good mta for use under debian. |
| 00:48.54 | mstanisl | s/buy/but |
| 00:48.58 | peterS | datagrape: I suspect the 'make install' is *not* actually making your kernel the default one to be booted |
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| 00:49.03 | stew | mstanisl: why are you so offended by cafuego's answer? esp. if you didn't ask the question? can't you just move on? |
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| 00:49.08 | mstanisl | cafuego: that doesn't change the answer regardless. |
| 00:49.13 | ritch | peterS: make menuconfig; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision=custom.01 kernel_image |
| 00:49.18 | cafuego | mstanisl: Nor does it change mine <heh> |
| 00:49.23 | rovragge | ugarit: some imap servers can be started via inetd also, although it's seldom to be preferred. |
| 00:49.28 | datagrape | peterS: it is. it puts the old one as linux.old and it stuffs them both back into the lilo boot loader. is there any way i can check what you suggest |
| 00:49.29 | peterS | ritch: that's how datagrape did it? |
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| 00:49.36 | mstanisl | stew: You must have misread. My answer offended him, not the otherway around. I merely asked 'why' it wasn't a good reccomendation. |
| 00:49.41 | mstanisl | Is that not fair to ask? |
| 00:49.46 | cafuego | mstanisl: Just to get my implcation out of the way though, in my personal opinion, qmail is shit and shouldn't be recommended ever. To anyone. |
| 00:49.52 | stew | mstanisl: yes, thats fair. asked and answered, move on |
| 00:50.03 | ritch | peterS: this is the debian way. |
| 00:50.03 | peterS | datagrape: run 'lilo -v', it will explain what kernels it is putting in the boot loader |
| 00:50.15 | peterS | ritch: I know that. I didn't ask what the debian way was. I asked what datagrape did. |
| 00:50.17 | mstanisl | cafuego: In my reccomendation I have used qmail on multiple thousand user systems and it works brilliantly. |
| 00:50.37 | nonXero | why the hell would you pay for a mail daemon when there are plenty of free alternatives? |
| 00:50.41 | datagrape | peterS: that output looks just as i expected it |
| 00:50.49 | mstanisl | stew: Are you the question moderator? Or is free discussion not allowed here these days? |
| 00:50.50 | cafuego | mstanisl: Thats fine, but it doesn't preclude something else working equally or MORE brilliantly. |
| 00:50.57 | peterS | datagrape: what does "uname -r" print? |
| 00:51.02 | smj | nonXero: Why would anyone pay for software when there are plenty of free alternatives? |
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| 00:51.08 | datagrape | it prints the correct kernel version i expect |
| 00:51.12 | peterS | datagrape: that's a good way to tell whether it's your kernel or a distro kernel, since the distro kernels have their own tags on the end of the version string |
| 00:51.12 | jonesy | datagrape: man uname |
| 00:51.26 | ritch | peterS: well, if gcc3.x is installed it would get used here. |
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| 00:51.33 | ugarit | nonXero: dpkg -l imap => pn imap |
| 00:51.35 | nonXero | because they are trapped in a pathetic cage ruled by bill gates and they can't escape :) |
| 00:51.36 | mstanisl | cafuego: Oh I agree with that. But that doesn't overwrite my reccomendation any, and certainly doesn't make it 'shit' as you so eliquently put it :) |
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| 00:51.39 | dondelelcaro | ritch: that depends what /usr/bin/gcc is |
| 00:51.39 | jonesy | datagrape: os release version |
| 00:51.45 | peterS | ritch: then why don't you have a nice little conversation with datagrape explaining why this didn't happen? |
| 00:51.48 | ritch | peterS: on standard install. |
| 00:51.54 | peterS | ritch: I don't know why you are telling *me* these things |
| 00:51.55 | smj | Bye all... |
| 00:51.57 | cafuego | mstanisl: No, the license makes it shit, imo. |
| 00:52.11 | datagrape | peterS: its not a distro kernel i recompiled a few times, its using the one i asked it to. but i dont know which gcc it used to build it |
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| 00:52.19 | mstanisl | cafuego: Well thats fine, but thats not how you originally rationalized it. *shrug* |
| 00:52.25 | mstanisl | I can respec that just fine. |
| 00:52.31 | mstanisl | Question answered ;) |
| 00:52.32 | ritch | peterS: oh, sorry - thought you asked. pardon me. |
| 00:52.45 | dondelelcaro | !qmail |
| 00:52.45 | dpkg | hmm... qmail is a non-free (it's illegal to distribute modified binaries) MTA by djb, or http://www.qmail.org/, or for good getting-started docs see LWQ: http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html, or an MTA that insists on having 3.4 million configuration files spread throughout the filesystem. |
| 00:52.58 | peterS | ritch: I've been asking questions. I've been doing so in order to understand what datagrape's system is doing, and why it is not behaving as I would have expected. |
| 00:53.13 | jeaneid | how can I substr what is inside parenthesis such as I have bla bla bla (this is what I want) . I need to get this is what I want |
| 00:53.13 | nonXero | someone should crack qmail and distribute free source |
| 00:53.19 | datagrape | ritch: wanna /query =) ? |
| 00:53.26 | dondelelcaro | nonXero: uh, the source is distributed. Gratis!=Libre |
| 00:53.35 | mstanisl | crack qmail, heh. |
| 00:53.45 | nonXero | how is it protected ? |
| 00:53.49 | mstanisl | Ok... uh. I have the source... where shall I distribute it? :) |
| 00:53.51 | ritch | peterS, datagrape ...just lost sight.:) |
| 00:53.53 | peterS | nonXero: by license terms |
| 00:53.58 | rovragge | jeaneid: cat yourstring | perl -pe 's/.*\(.*?\).*/$1/' |
| 00:54.06 | nonXero | and is there a way around this ? |
| 00:54.13 | nonXero | lol.. |
| 00:54.14 | peterS | nonXero: yeah. change copyright law. |
| 00:54.17 | mstanisl | nonxero: don't dell djb? :) |
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| 00:54.23 | mstanisl | tell even. |
| 00:54.26 | nonXero | screw copywrite laws.. |
| 00:54.28 | jeaneid | rovragge: Thank you I will try that |
| 00:54.31 | kenboo | jeaneid, you need a simple parser if you wanna do more than what rovragge suggested |
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| 00:54.33 | mstanisl | certainly don't dell him :) thats just cruel |
| 00:54.36 | stew | !djb |
| 00:54.36 | dpkg | i heard djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. StevenK's bitch See "wanker". |
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| 00:54.52 | Biovore | only legit people follow copy right law |
| 00:54.56 | datagrape | ritch: i lost sight? |
| 00:55.01 | nonXero | I never actually delved into qmail one bit |
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| 00:55.16 | ritch | datagrape: to check the kernel version do a "# modinfo some-module" it should be in the header. or check /proc/sys/kernel |
| 00:55.19 | nonXero | I was warned ahead of time. :) |
| 00:55.30 | rovragge | jeaneid: change cat to echo in that line ;) |
| 00:55.54 | datagrape | ritch : i know what kernel version it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its 2.6.8.1 |
| 00:55.55 | kenboo | jeaneid, $openclose = qr/\([^()]*(?:(??{$openclose})[^()]*)*\)/; |
| 00:55.58 | datagrape | do you wana /query or not |
| 00:56.03 | ritch | datagrape: quite busy here. |
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| 00:56.10 | datagrape | ok, thanks anyway |
| 00:56.14 | ritch | datagrape: gcc version. |
| 00:56.15 | CosmoDad | hi can I recompile a debian package with specific ./configure parameters using debian sources so that afterwards the package will be fully included into the package system (with respect to dependencies, etc.) ? |
| 00:56.32 | stew | CosmoDad: /msg dpkg source |
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| 00:56.38 | datagrape | gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-13) |
| 00:57.03 | rovragge | jeaneid: yeah.. mine was wrong |
| 00:57.13 | rich_ | Biovore I think everybody has their own laws, depending on where they live, and their own degree of adherance to those laws, depending on force applied to make them obey, and perhaps the moral environment. And then there is a third group of people who just never got tired of playing cops and robbers and so are trying to inflicl their own limitations on the rest of the world. |
| 00:57.21 | jeaneid | kenboo: I am trying to do this in a #!/bin/sh file. I am trying to get the ip add from who under the user to concatenate it to sftp. |
| 00:57.24 | CosmoDad | stew: what's dpkg's output supposed to tell me? |
| 00:57.24 | ritch | datagrape: that's from your kernel? |
| 00:57.29 | Maxian | Hey all, im trying to setup Samba with printsharing... And whenever I print it takes 5 or so minutes to actually start printing.... A spool file is there - durring this time also smbd is taking up 10% cpu or so.... the print command is lpr -P %p -r %s - might taht be the problem? |
| 00:57.41 | datagrape | ritch: no that is from gcc -v |
| 00:57.53 | kenboo | jeaneid, oic. mine was a perl regular exp |
| 00:57.54 | stew | CosmoDad: it tells you how to get the source of a package and rebuild it |
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| 00:58.04 | stew | CosmoDad: also /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 00:58.10 | CosmoDad | stew: the only output I got was "sources are to unstable.." |
| 00:58.17 | stew | !tell CosmoDad about source |
| 00:58.25 | rich_ | three groups, I mean; one who makes laws, one who breaks laws and one who wishes they were cops. |
| 00:58.49 | zu22 | which package provides mxmkmf (lesstif's xmkmf)?? i did /msg dpkg find mxmkmf and it says "x11/xutils", i installed package xutils (sid) and 'which mxmkmf' still shows nothing. help! |
| 00:59.03 | CosmoDad | stew: that helped. The commands do not seem to provide a custom ./configure run, or am I wrong here? |
| 00:59.08 | jeaneid | kenboo: any ideas how to do this |
| 00:59.10 | ritch | datagrape: ok. lets asume this is also the version the kernel is compiled with. does the nv complain about problems even you rebooted your box with the new kernel? |
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| 00:59.26 | rovragge | jeaneid: i tried it four you now. echo 'bla bla (this is what I want)' | perl -pe 's/.*\((.*)?\).*/$1/' |
| 00:59.32 | rovragge | s/four/for |
| 00:59.47 | CosmoDad | stew: s/provide/allow/ |
| 00:59.51 | stew | CosmoDad: look at debian/rules |
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| 01:00.13 | FieldySnuts | okay. I'm using software raid1 on 2.6.7-grsec, have been for a while. lately what's happening is I get major DMA errors in logs on both raid1 disks, a third hard drive that isn't even mounted, and even my dvd drive. Then the sytsem is completely unresponsive. what could cause dma to work fine all this time, now I have to boot without it? |
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| 01:00.33 | datagrape | ritch: yes i rebooted the box with the new kernel, and i ran the nvidia.run program to rebuild the nvidia stufs, it complains that the gcc used to build the current running kernel is 2.95 not 3.3, i even ran the nvidia.run program with --kernel-source-path /usr/src/linux-2.6.8.1 |
| 01:00.39 | CosmoDad | stew: sry overlooked that. thanks |
| 01:00.40 | kenboo | jeaneid, i was thinking of nested (). it should be quite simple if not nested. |
| 01:01.07 | zu22 | anyone? |
| 01:01.29 | ritch | datagrape: "uname -a" is the right one? |
| 01:01.39 | derekboy | alright, i can't get on webadmin for courier |
| 01:02.01 | derekboy | i enter my password and it says wrong, then i click on one of the files and it says error 500 |
| 01:02.05 | derekboy | i know perls enabled |
| 01:02.16 | datagrape | ritch: Linux hostname 2.6.8.1 #2 sat dec 11 02:10:59 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:02.27 | jeaneid | rovragge: I get the following issuing your command: Substitution replacement not terminated at -e line 1 |
| 01:02.41 | datagrape | ritch: but i had the 2.6 running before it borked everything, i just recompiled because it told me i needed to recompile with new gcc |
| 01:02.44 | datagrape | which i assume it used |
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| 01:03.32 | ritch | datagrape: is this the kernel you compiled with gcc3-3? its 14.dec. timestamp. |
| 01:03.35 | rovragge | jeaneid: did you forget the '' around the argument to -e ? |
| 01:03.39 | guestish | 2hallo |
| 01:03.58 | datagrape | ritch: where did you see 13.dec ? |
| 01:04.05 | datagrape | s/13/14 |
| 01:04.16 | ritch | datagrape: today. |
| 01:04.38 | datagrape | ritch: hm, so i check that /vmlinuz is todays date? |
| 01:05.11 | rovragge | echo 'A(B)' | perl -pe 's/.*\((.*)?\).*/$1/' |
| 01:05.18 | rovragge | gives me B |
| 01:05.19 | datagrape | ritch: i don't think the kern is compiling with gcc3-3 otherwise nvidia wouldn't complain |
| 01:05.25 | jeaneid | rovragge: echo 'bla bla (this is what I want)' | perl '-pe s/.*\( (.*)? \) .*/$1' |
| 01:05.44 | ritch | datagrape: no. to be sure you boot the right kernel (the gcc3.x compiled)! check this with modinfo i said earlier. |
| 01:05.44 | rovragge | no... look at the placement of apostrophes |
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| 01:06.10 | rovragge | its none before -pe and one before s/... |
| 01:06.14 | zu22 | i installed lesstif-dev and there is no mxmkmf ! |
| 01:06.58 | datagrape | ritch: when you said "modinfo some-module" what exactly did you mean, i tried "modinfo nvidia" and it reports : could not find module nvidia |
| 01:07.21 | jeaneid | rovragge: thanks, my mistake |
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| 01:07.34 | rovragge | also, there were extra spaces in your version |
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| 01:08.14 | zu22 | i guess no one has packages the complete LessTif for debian |
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| 01:08.23 | zu22 | cause mxmkmf should be in the development branch! |
| 01:08.32 | ritch | datagrape: just use any module you have compiled (some in /lib/modules/<your-kernel-version>). just to be sure it really *is* compiled with gcc3.x - should be if gcc3.x was installed before you build that kernel. |
| 01:08.36 | kbrooks | zu22, search |
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| 01:08.46 | kbrooks | http://packages.debian.org |
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| 01:09.06 | datagrape | ritch: ok i will try, *types |
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| 01:09.54 | jbr | zu22: er... google says http://www.tux.org/~mayer/linux/book/node106.html |
| 01:10.01 | punkrockguy318 | how do install the qc-usb drivers? there is a qc-usb-source package.. what do i do? |
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| 01:11.30 | rovragge | punkrockguy318: install package, there should be a .tar.gz placed in /usr/src, unpack it and use the 'make-kpkg modules-image' mechanism |
| 01:11.53 | datagrape | ritch: in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/ i see a bunch of modules.* files, when i do # modinfo modules.ccwmap or any of the others it reports nothing, the only dir in /lib/modules/2.6.8.1/ is 'kernel' which contains arch, drivers, fs, lib, net,sound |
| 01:12.07 | zu22 | jbr: thanks i will use that script |
| 01:12.38 | CosmoDad_ | stew: figured it out, thx. Is there a way to automatically rebuild a deb package on 'apt-get upgrade' with a given rules file so that next time a new version of this packages is published my custom parameters won't be overwritten by the binary? |
| 01:12.51 | peterS | datagrape: try 'modinfo some_module_name' for some module file you have compiled. which is to say, something ending in .ko |
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