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| 00:00.21 | toresbe | directhex: Oh, come on, you had it coming :P |
| 00:00.34 | directhex | toresbe, solaris & redhat 7.2. not sure which is worse |
| 00:00.35 | TheStar | greylion: Yes, but I find that dansguardian helps greately with "accidental" porn. |
| 00:00.50 | toresbe | directhex: Redhat |
| 00:00.53 | TheStar | greylion: I just grant any exceptions, and it's not intended to be a 100% lockdown. |
| 00:01.01 | resiak | directhex: Solaris. |
| 00:01.07 | useruser | directhex: redhat |
| 00:01.13 | smj | directhex: Solaris |
| 00:01.15 | directhex | i think resiak wins, tbh |
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| 00:01.26 | toresbe | Solaris > RedHat |
| 00:01.42 | stew | s/>/!=/ |
| 00:01.44 | toresbe | hell, MS-DOS > RedHat |
| 00:01.59 | greylion | TheStar: something like "watch porn during work hours, first time a warning, second time you get fired" |
| 00:02.16 | toresbe | useruser: in DOS you could at least do cool stuff in ring 0 |
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| 00:02.30 | useruser | toresbe: what's that? |
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| 00:02.53 | toresbe | useruser: I believe you youngin's call it "supervisor mode" |
| 00:03.07 | nDuff | you can do stuff in ring 0 in Linux too -- granted, you need to futz with kernel modules or play with KML... |
| 00:03.09 | directhex | toresbe, in redhat, at least the default $EDITOR isn't ed, the default shell isn't sh |
| 00:03.13 | TheStar | greylion: WHy not just block it? |
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| 00:03.16 | resiak | toresbe: Youngins? Pfffft. |
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| 00:03.38 | greylion | TheStar: because there is no way to block it 100% |
| 00:03.40 | resiak | directhex: ...I guess that ECS have made bash the default manually? |
| 00:03.46 | nDuff | TheStar, because people in general see technical measures as an invitation to come up with circumvention methods |
| 00:03.46 | toresbe | Basically, you have the ability to have fun with the hardware on the lowest level |
| 00:04.02 | toresbe | If you don't like the way an OS handles it, simply do it yourself |
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| 00:04.21 | toresbe | You could write insanely fast code for DOS, provided you needed to. |
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| 00:04.50 | nDuff | toresbe, it's entirely possible on Linux too, with the exception that you don't want to step on the state of the drivers. |
| 00:05.02 | stew | ring 0 is like computing without a condom |
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| 00:05.07 | TheStar | greylion: I'm not interested in a 100% block. |
| 00:05.12 | nDuff | stew, heh. |
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| 00:05.25 | toresbe | stew: Hahahahahaha - that just landed you a spot in my .signature |
| 00:05.26 | norris | anybody know of any issues with sid and a geforce 6800? I am unable to configure a working X86Config-4 with this card. I have no problem doing so with fedora or gentoo (both using the vesa drivers). I have had no such issuses before with other geforce cards and sid.. |
| 00:05.40 | TheStar | nDuff: Not an issue here, at that point it's no longer accidental, see? |
| 00:05.48 | TheStar | nDuff: I only want to reduce accidential ones. |
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| 00:06.30 | directhex | norris, try using nvidia's binary driver? |
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| 00:07.38 | Highly | I have a kernel building question if someone doesn't mind spending a few minutes and sparing a brain cell... |
| 00:07.43 | norris | no, I always like to try to get a working config before I try the nvidia driver |
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| 00:07.49 | resiak | Highly: Just ask :) |
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| 00:08.24 | thorie | how do I have a script send me a phone call when nc -zv 24.6.9.40 80 results in a failed connection? |
| 00:08.33 | jochen_m | How can I use ISDN Multilink (2 channels of ISDN) please? |
| 00:08.37 | norris | directhex, no, I always like to try to get a working config before I try the nvidia driver |
| 00:08.40 | jochen_m | I use the tool "isdn-config" |
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| 00:09.30 | TheStar | Hmm, it seems debian folks use "squidguard" |
| 00:09.35 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
| 00:09.52 | Highly | OK. Trying to build a 2.9.10 rc2 kernel. Base Debian 2.4.18 network install. used apt-get to d/l required packages. Used the config file in the /boot directory. No changes to config, just opened then saved in make menuconfig. |
| 00:10.36 | Highly | bombs with dpkg errors |
| 00:11.01 | resiak | Highly: Have you read the appropriate section in the Debian reference? (apt-get install debian-reference-en) |
| 00:11.07 | resiak | :) |
| 00:11.11 | Highly | yes I have |
| 00:11.16 | resiak | Ick, wrong window... |
| 00:11.25 | Highly | and have searched all over the net looking for answers before asking, too |
| 00:11.28 | directhex | Highly, you do know you can't use 2.6 kernel modules on woody anyway, right? |
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| 00:11.40 | directhex | Highly, not without dirty system-breaking backports |
| 00:11.51 | resiak | Highly: Your user is a member of src, I presume? |
| 00:12.08 | witless | where did my pretty gnome interface go in OOo 1.1.3...? |
| 00:12.30 | Highly | yes. Attempted builds as root and user with src, adm, and staff |
| 00:12.40 | nDuff | witless, the GNOME interface has never been in the upstream OOo; it's just in the Ximian/Novell fork. |
| 00:12.52 | resiak | Highly: Paste your errors in #flood ? |
| 00:13.55 | witless | nDuff: so why did i have it? is there some way to get it back? |
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| 00:14.22 | directhex | witless, apt-cache search for it |
| 00:15.03 | pmcdonnell | When I run "ps aux", in the user column, I see values like #0, #113 and #103. What do these values mean? |
| 00:15.12 | directhex | i.e. openoffice.org-gtk-gnome |
| 00:15.27 | colter | I'm running Sarge with Gnome; I'd like to set up a keyboard shortcut to swtich between keyboard layouts. The "Keyboard Shortcuts" app in the Desktop Preferences won't let me add this; can anyone help? |
| 00:15.36 | xor3x | hi I can't get my geforce fx5200 2 funktion,I have the driver but I seems to be missing "nvidia.o" in the kernel how do I fix it? |
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| 00:17.11 | useruser | witless: i've got it |
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| 00:17.42 | useruser | witless: openoffice.org-gtk-gnome |
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| 00:18.10 | cafuego | xor3x: Compile it. |
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| 00:20.00 | useruser | df doesn't show /home, which is a separate partition to /. df -a doesn't either. is this a bug? |
| 00:20.03 | alejandro_ | the k8 is 745 right? |
| 00:20.12 | cafuego | alejandro_: Um |
| 00:20.13 | alejandro_ | socket I mean |
| 00:20.27 | cafuego | yes, mine is anyway :-) |
| 00:20.51 | alejandro_ | cafuego, thanks :) |
| 00:20.54 | cafuego | Although Opterons and Athlon64FXes are also K8, but not s754 |
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| 00:21.08 | alejandro_ | searching for mainboards... |
| 00:21.10 | cafuego | You thinking of buying one? |
| 00:21.16 | alejandro_ | which one is better... |
| 00:21.23 | alejandro_ | cafuego, yes... |
| 00:21.58 | TheStar | I like Gigabyte M/B's. |
| 00:22.00 | cafuego | alejandro_: The 64-FX cpu's are faster, but MUCH more expensive. |
| 00:22.23 | cafuego | TheStar: So do I, which is why i have a few (though one is currently molten) |
| 00:22.24 | TheStar | What brand are the 64-FX? |
| 00:22.27 | alejandro_ | is a good one? i was thinking about a ASUS K8V-X |
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| 00:22.30 | TheStar | cafuego: Molten? |
| 00:22.34 | cafuego | TheStar: AMD Athlon64 FX |
| 00:22.38 | Thrawn | I did an apt-get update;apt-get upgrade on my sarge machine today, now all the sudden, in SecureFX, the folders listed have the date in them, ie it thinks the FOLDER name is "Aug 20 2004 var" when it should be "var"... Just updated to latest version of securefx (which ive used for years). Its proftpd 1.2.10-6 . Any ideas? |
| 00:22.39 | cafuego | TheStar: molten |
| 00:22.50 | TheStar | cafuego: How'ed that happen? Overclock too much? |
| 00:22.57 | TheStar | cafuego: Or did you leave it in teh car, or? |
| 00:23.07 | cafuego | TheStar: Nah, not overclocked at all. Bad PSU I think. |
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| 00:23.17 | cafuego | TheStar: http://www.cafuego.net/melty_kahlua.png |
| 00:23.17 | TheStar | cafuego: SHouldn't have melted it. |
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| 00:23.29 | TheStar | cafuego: Doesn't gigabyte have an overtemp sensor? |
| 00:23.37 | cafuego | TheStar: Yeah well, water under the bridge now <heh> |
| 00:23.38 | Thrawn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.46 | alejandro_ | cafuego, is the ASUS K8V-X good enough? |
| 00:23.49 | cafuego | TheStar: Yes, the cpu is fine,, the atx connector melted |
| 00:23.56 | TheStar | Interesting. |
| 00:23.57 | cafuego | alejandro_: Let me have a look |
| 00:24.12 | cafuego | the ram is fine as well (plugged it into the A64) |
| 00:24.15 | TheStar | alejandro_: Just don't get onboard vid |
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| 00:24.33 | TheStar | And apparently intel is better than amd for now (32-bit, at least) |
| 00:24.39 | alejandro_ | what's Vvid? |
| 00:24.44 | TheStar | At least it's in the lead for reliability. |
| 00:24.49 | alejandro_ | I wanna have a 64 |
| 00:24.52 | TheStar | And isn't much more expensive. |
| 00:24.54 | cafuego | TheStar: Sadly intel 32bit is also quite a bit more expensive. |
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| 00:25.03 | TheStar | cafuego: But teh boards are cheaper. |
| 00:25.07 | alejandro_ | cafuego, that's right |
| 00:25.14 | cafuego | TheStar: And an Athlon64 to ebats the pants off a P4 costs less then the P4, so go 64 anyway :-) |
| 00:25.27 | TheStar | cafuego: What's debian's 64-bit port like atm? |
| 00:25.40 | cafuego | TheStar: Runs just dandy :-) |
| 00:25.44 | TheStar | :) |
| 00:26.01 | TheStar | I have someone going with FC-64 |
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| 00:26.32 | cafuego | alejandro_: My local store doens't list that mobo <heh> |
| 00:26.37 | witless | useruser: it's back, thanks :-) |
| 00:26.42 | cafuego | alejandro_: How much do they want for it? |
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| 00:26.59 | alejandro_ | cafuego, 82? |
| 00:27.10 | cafuego | US$82? |
| 00:27.34 | alejandro_ | euros |
| 00:27.38 | cafuego | ah ok |
| 00:27.44 | alejandro_ | maybe 100$? |
| 00:27.45 | cafuego | REAL money |
| 00:27.50 | alejandro_ | ;o) |
| 00:28.01 | Harik | Does anyone have hybrid-64 yet? |
| 00:28.11 | Harik | or are the libc issues still too complex. |
| 00:28.41 | Harik | I'd like to go to pure-64, but losing things like adobe or old netscape (for compatability testing) really sucks. |
| 00:28.47 | cafuego | alejandro_: Though it pains me to say ths, you should consider finding an nForce based mobo. They supposedly have better performance then the via ones. |
| 00:28.55 | Harik | and running them in chroot is a serious PITA. |
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| 00:29.05 | mlewis00 | Does Debian use more RAM as more fonts are installed? I'm asking because I know that Windows does and it has a serious effect on system performance. |
| 00:29.14 | cafuego | Harik: OpenOffice runs in a 32bit chroot on Debian Pure64 - works fine. |
| 00:29.20 | PerfDave | cafuego: Don't the Linux drivers for nForce still suck |
| 00:29.22 | PerfDave | ? |
| 00:29.27 | alejandro_ | cafuego, good one, will search for a non-via mobo :) |
| 00:29.34 | cafuego | PerfDave: Suck how? |
| 00:29.45 | alejandro_ | 82,00 EUR = 109,068 USD |
| 00:29.55 | Harik | cafuego: How does it get to the X11 socket? |
| 00:29.56 | cafuego | PerfDave: The sata and ide work fine. |
| 00:29.57 | PerfDave | cafuego: I thought that they were a PITA to install (particularly the network drivers) and non-Free |
| 00:30.01 | Harik | or does it have to go via TCP/localhost? |
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| 00:30.11 | cafuego | Harik: No idea, ask whoever packaged it :-) |
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| 00:30.21 | mlewis00 | I want to install more fonts but don't want the system performance to be degraded. |
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| 00:30.52 | cafuego | PerfDave: This mobo has an nforce ata/sata chip (and possibly sound) but a Marvell Yukon NIC - works fine as well. |
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| 00:32.40 | PerfDave | cafuego: It was the sound and network that I'd heard particularly bad things about. The graphics we all know about :) |
| 00:34.05 | directhex | cafuego, how's your amd64 system going? reinstalled today, and it decided to behave |
| 00:34.14 | pmcdonnell | Is there a way to test whether a given NIC is "bad" - ie, make sure it functions correctly hardware-wise? (Other than trial-and-error)? |
| 00:34.45 | TheStar | Is it possible to get squid to preload pages (with a depth of 1) |
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| 00:36.16 | SlimeyPete | sound works, I think, but I can't remember because I've only ever used the onbaord sound once, ages ago ;) |
| 00:36.41 | directhex | as it happens the sound on my office amd64 machine doesn't work, but it's not like i ever use sound in the office anyway |
| 00:36.53 | directhex | and i probably screwed it up |
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| 00:38.21 | jbr | pmcdonnell: "apt-cache show nictools-pci nictools-nopci" |
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| 00:38.49 | pmcdonnell | jbr, thanks |
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| 00:39.11 | tell | hi, how do i know whether i use gtk1, gtk2, gtk-qt or whatever?? |
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| 00:40.00 | Prince | can anyone help a nob on debian? |
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| 00:40.32 | cafuego | directhex: I've been using it as desktop and xdmcp desktop for the past week and a half. transplanted HD and ram and new gfx card from the athlonxp after it died.... running beautifully. Only needed to tweak initrd to load amd74xx before ide-generic, so DMA would work. |
| 00:40.43 | SlimeyPete | depends what the "nob" needs help with |
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| 00:41.38 | directhex | cafuego, i still feel dirty at using sid, but i'm happy with it, the 32bit chroot works perfectly too |
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| 00:42.04 | cafuego | directhex: *nod* same here. I DO want a 64bit transcode port, though :-) |
| 00:42.14 | directhex | cafuego, though i'm disappointed that because the damned administrators got me an ati against my wishes, it's 20x slower in 3d than this home desktop box |
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| 00:43.02 | sussudio | it doesn't take much to massacre nvz at bzflag |
| 00:43.04 | cafuego | directhex: If it's using the open driver I cna understand it. |
| 00:43.19 | directhex | cafuego, if? ati don't make 64 bit drivers for linux |
| 00:43.28 | cafuego | directhex: There ya go then. |
| 00:44.01 | thorie | cafuego: my mrtg is stuck, can u help me? |
| 00:44.08 | cafuego | thorie: stuck? |
| 00:44.37 | thorie | the data log shows the same line, over and over and over |
| 00:45.00 | thorie | any ideas why it might be stuck like that? |
| 00:45.07 | cafuego | So it's reading the same data... check the script (run it by hand) |
| 00:45.13 | SlimeyPete | Prince: what's the problem? |
| 00:45.29 | colter | When right-clicking on the Top panel in gnome, I used to get an expandable menu with multiple categories such as "Utilities, Acessories" etc. I am now missing these categories. Update-menus didnt change anything, any ideas where it could have gone? |
| 00:45.34 | spectra | does anyone know the name of the font for debian logo? |
| 00:45.48 | thorie | cafuego: when i run 'mrtg' nothing happens |
| 00:45.54 | cafuego | directhex: it wa sneet to have several users playing with openoffice simultaneously and the box never even swapping or breaking a sweat :-) |
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| 00:46.09 | cafuego | thorie: It needs to have the cfg file as param. |
| 00:46.19 | cafuego | spectra: Poppl Laudatio |
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| 00:46.22 | cafuego | spectra: payware |
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| 00:46.36 | spectra | cafuego: argh. thanks |
| 00:46.47 | thorie | cafuego: same result |
| 00:46.48 | weiwei | :-> |
| 00:46.59 | directhex | cafuego, i still feel dirty running sid though |
| 00:47.00 | frankb | hello there - I have a problem compiling dpkg here - anyone can help? |
| 00:47.22 | sussudio | why the fuck would you compile dpkg? |
| 00:47.24 | directhex | why would you compile dpkg? |
| 00:47.28 | cafuego | directhex: it's a special sid, though. Not your bog-standard filthy ia32 sid ;-) |
| 00:47.39 | directhex | cafuego, special as in special school? |
| 00:47.42 | frankb | :) because I run slackware and I want to create debian packages |
| 00:47.47 | sussudio | special bus? |
| 00:47.47 | cafuego | directhex: Special optimised gentoo dpkg |
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| 00:48.37 | frankb | but it gives me: In file included from curkeys.cc:31: |
| 00:48.38 | frankb | curkeys.h:168: `KEY_EVENT' was not declared in this scope |
| 00:48.58 | frankb | ...looks like something simple but I'm not too good at fixing cpp source |
| 00:49.00 | cafuego | @lart cplusplus |
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| 00:49.19 | directhex | cafuego, still, wish i could play neverball in the office without horrid jerky framerates |
| 00:49.55 | cafuego | directhex: nethack should suffice for the office |
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| 00:50.09 | frankb | _noone?_ |
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| 00:50.20 | nyterukh | hello |
| 00:50.28 | directhex | cafuego, i have to admit to playing tint a bit. works over ssh from the machine room \o/ |
| 00:50.45 | giupy | normally when you launch pppd you get some strange characters.....is it right? |
| 00:51.36 | zignig | directhex: air-conditioned server room ? |
| 00:51.40 | nyterukh | hows it going all |
| 00:51.53 | cafuego | giupy: binary data |
| 00:52.19 | directhex | zignig, yes, depending whether you stand on the hot or cold side of the machines |
| 00:52.35 | giupy | cafuego, well when i try launch ppd i recive this msg pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself |
| 00:52.35 | giupy | pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 00:52.35 | giupy | pppd: (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.) |
| 00:52.51 | giupy | mm i did'nt want flood |
| 00:52.58 | cafuego | giupy: So set up the pap-secrets file |
| 00:53.11 | zignig | directhex: BLEH! |
| 00:53.30 | giupy | cafuego, i have already done it with pppconfig |
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| 00:53.40 | Highly | resiak about? |
| 00:53.56 | mihaly | what do I write to get lilo to show the meny? |
| 00:54.27 | directhex | cafuego, it trundles along at 1024x768 on my p4 machine. more ram would help. |
| 00:54.28 | mihaly | now It boots the defaul och I have to use CTRL if I wanto select |
| 00:54.37 | giupy | when i try connect me with wvdial all goes right to here (password) |
| 00:54.38 | giupy | NO CARRIER |
| 00:54.38 | giupy | --> Don't know what to do! |
| 00:54.51 | Harik | Hmm, dvdrecord no-longer builds. |
| 00:54.59 | Harik | automake: readcd/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `../cdrecord/misc.c' is in subdirectory |
| 00:54.59 | giupy | and when it tries to launch pppd hung up |
| 00:55.32 | cafuego | (now that i stole the Gb from the xp) |
| 00:55.43 | mihaly | :) |
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| 00:56.11 | jbr | mihaly: does your lilo.conf have a line like install=/boot/boot-menu.b? (mine used to, hashed out now) |
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| 00:56.18 | mlewis00 | Does Debian use more RAM as more fonts are installed? I'm asking because I know that Windows does and it has a serious effect on system performance. |
| 00:56.35 | cafuego | mlewis00: No, it doesn't. |
| 00:56.44 | cat | heck no this is linux not windows |
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| 00:57.09 | Highly | OK. HAve a kernel build problem with output if someone would like to help... |
| 00:57.10 | thorie | can someone help me? i can't send any mail |
| 00:57.14 | mlewis00 | cafuego: Thanks :-) |
| 00:57.17 | cafuego | mlewis00: They do of course take up some disk space. |
| 00:57.26 | thorie | echo 'hello' | mail -s "subject" test@domain.com |
| 00:57.42 | cat | thorie: what error do u get? |
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| 00:57.47 | giupy | is it right that fedora got succes or it's only my opinion? |
| 00:57.50 | prolific | hey |
| 00:57.55 | prolific | can someone help me with a firefox problem |
| 00:58.03 | prolific | i get this msg when starting firefox |
| 00:58.06 | prolific | The program 'Gecko' received an X Window System error. |
| 00:58.11 | mihaly | jbr: it hade install=menu commented out... I put it back but it didn't help |
| 00:58.16 | giupy | i have noticed that is many supported |
| 00:58.16 | prolific | firefox launches fine in gnome. when i try to start it in fluxbox i get that message |
| 00:58.17 | mlewis00 | cafuego: I think I can handle that but in Windows NT I installed about 4300+ fonts and the system slowed to a crawl...didn't want the same thing to happen to my Sarge installation. |
| 00:58.40 | thorie | sendmail[7896]: iBF0lLDg007896: to=tak@thorie.com, ctla |
| 00:58.40 | thorie | ddr=thorie (1000/1000), delay=00:00:04, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=30043 |
| 00:58.42 | thorie | , relay=[127.0.0.1] [127.0.0.1], dsn=5.0.0, stat=Service unavailable |
| 00:58.43 | jbr | mihaly: that's all I know, except man lilo.conf |
| 00:58.45 | Guerin | mlewis00: nobody needs 4000 fonts |
| 00:59.11 | cafuego | mlewis00: That's what font managers are for. What do you need that many fonts for anyway? Out of 4300 random fonts, a guaranteed 4200 are SO ugly you'd never use them. |
| 00:59.35 | mihaly | or so look-alike |
| 00:59.48 | greylion | mihaly: add to lilo.conf: prompt |
| 01:00.14 | mihaly | I have |
| 01:00.21 | greylion | hmm |
| 01:00.23 | cafuego | mlewis00: For WIndows, see extensis suitcase |
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| 01:00.32 | Highly | Have a Deb kernel build problem with output. If someone could have a look it would be greatly appreciated. |
| 01:00.39 | mlewis00 | Guerin, cafuego I'm not going to install that many on my Sarge system...I just need a larger selection than what I currently have. |
| 01:00.44 | cafuego | Load up your base fonts plus any fonts required for the current project. Disable/enable as needed. |
| 01:00.46 | mihaly | greylion: do I need the message thing before as well? |
| 01:00.52 | thorie | what does "Service Unavailable" mean? |
| 01:00.57 | greylion | mihaly: and you ran lilo afterwards? |
| 01:01.28 | mihaly | yea I did |
| 01:02.01 | greylion | mihaly: what message thing? |
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| 01:02.09 | mlewis00 | cafuego: OK, thanks! |
| 01:03.01 | mihaly | if you read in /etc/profile there is a message thing before prompt |
| 01:03.16 | mihaly | in /etc/lilo.conf :D |
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| 01:03.49 | mlewis00 | Guerin: I remember what happened now...I installed Corel Office on Windows and that's where the fonts came from...sure slowed the system down :) |
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| 01:04.37 | greylion | mihaly: my lilo.conf file is stripped of almost all (unnecessary) text |
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| 01:05.36 | mihaly | I don't blame you its seams to be way too much text here |
| 01:05.45 | Highly | Have a Deb kernel build problem with output. If someone could have a look it would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 01:05.51 | giupy | how can i run a program automaticcally when i startx? i use openbox wm |
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| 01:07.15 | mihaly | and you only have prompt there? exept the boot paths? |
| 01:07.19 | cafuego | giupy: add it to ~/.xsession |
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| 01:07.36 | giupy | cafuego, k thanks |
| 01:07.53 | thorie | how do i run a command as a different user when i am root? |
| 01:08.07 | greylion | mihaly: yes, except #install = boot.b (commented out) |
| 01:08.08 | cafuego | thorie: su user -c command |
| 01:08.15 | thorie | thx |
| 01:08.48 | cafuego | is it bad to murder clients? |
| 01:08.58 | TheStar | Murder, yes, kill, no. :) |
| 01:09.12 | mihaly | do you have "default" set to anything? |
| 01:09.55 | greylion | mihaly: yes, but that just decides which kernel image is used |
| 01:10.40 | Highly | Have a Deb kernel build problem with output. If someone could have a look it would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 01:11.49 | mihaly | I don't know about that.... When It first go there is was "default=Linux" then Linux booted without asking so I changed to "default=Windows" then only Windows booted |
| 01:12.26 | thorie | how do i send mail as a different user? |
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| 01:13.26 | greylion | mihaly: ok, precisely what is it you want to do? |
| 01:14.20 | mihaly | have a boot menu :) |
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| 01:14.51 | mihaly | I read in man lilo.conf... there they had an example without the default command |
| 01:15.00 | thorie | how do i set an environment variable in csh? |
| 01:15.06 | mihaly | perhaps I should try removing that |
| 01:15.07 | Wyzard | thorie: setenv |
| 01:15.09 | greylion | mihaly: right now, can you boot into debian? |
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| 01:15.39 | mihaly | yes... but I need to press CRTL while lilo loads |
| 01:15.57 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.58 | mihaly | else it loads windows without asking me |
| 01:16.16 | greylion | mihaly: and doesn't show a menu? |
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| 01:16.24 | thorie | hmm |
| 01:16.29 | thorie | i can't seem to get this to work |
| 01:16.30 | mihaly | only if I hold CTRL |
| 01:16.30 | greylion | mihaly: even for a few seconds? |
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| 01:16.37 | thorie | anyone know how to send mail as a different user? |
| 01:17.07 | thorie | echo "hello" | mail -s "subject" tak@thorie.com <---- this command will send it as root@mydomain.com, which is not what i want crontab to do |
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| 01:17.21 | greylion | mihaly: strange - prompt makes mine ask every time |
| 01:18.30 | Qjahe | I got my DNS server (BIND9) running. when I do nslookup on the server everything is find and it finds it. but when I do nslookup on my window machine on a dos prompt it finds the IP of the dns server (mine) but then says it cant find the server name for that ip : none-existent domain. but I can ping it with its domain name on either box with no problem.. any suggestions? |
| 01:18.36 | greylion | mihaly: is there a timeout= ? |
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| 01:19.24 | Wyzard | Qjahe: If you can look up an IP from a name but not a name from an IP, maybe you don't have your reverse zone set up correctly? |
| 01:19.48 | mihaly | timout and delay both set to 100 |
| 01:20.58 | Qjahe | Wynzard: hmm interresting.. let me double check that brb |
| 01:21.24 | thorie | anyone here use sendmail? |
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| 01:21.45 | greptacular | as a web-based calculator? |
| 01:21.50 | gratuit | thorie: I'm sure someone here does or has(just not me) |
| 01:22.05 | tell | hi, is there a handy gui to set up a apache webserver fast and easy? |
| 01:22.10 | mihaly | well I am going to try to run lilo on it again and see what happens.... |
| 01:22.22 | rovragge | how can I convert a dynamic binary to a static one without having source? |
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| 01:22.34 | mihaly | what do you send to apt-get install so that it installs x ? |
| 01:22.36 | rovragge | dynamically linked |
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| 01:22.48 | greptacular | mihaly: the package name? |
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| 01:22.58 | Wyzard | tell: Does a GUI web browser pointing at http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/ count? :-) |
| 01:23.01 | mihaly | thats what I wanto know |
| 01:23.08 | mihaly | x11 |
| 01:23.11 | greptacular | oh |
| 01:23.17 | greptacular | i thought you meant like .. some variable x |
| 01:23.22 | mihaly | yea I know :D |
| 01:23.57 | greptacular | xserver-xfree86? |
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| 01:24.05 | greptacular | i think that gets the right dependancies.. i forget |
| 01:24.08 | jbr | mihaly: are you looking for the metapackage x-window-system? |
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| 01:24.43 | sword- | supo |
| 01:24.49 | mihaly | i dont no what its called :/ I wanto graphics user interfaces |
| 01:25.10 | mihaly | so I can run fluxbox and stuff |
| 01:25.21 | greptacular | yay fluxbox! |
| 01:25.25 | resiak | mihaly: x-window-system will install X. apt-get install fluxbox should grab its dependencies (including X) for you. |
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| 01:26.11 | mihaly | I used apt-get install fluxbox it didn't get x |
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| 01:26.32 | mihaly | but apt-get install xserver-xfree86 seams like it is |
| 01:26.45 | jbr | mihaly: if you just pull in X11's strict dependencies you'll end up with no fonts, xterm etc - use x-window-system |
| 01:26.50 | mihaly | downloading as we speek |
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| 01:27.01 | initech | mihaly: because it does not need a local xserver to run |
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| 01:27.37 | mihaly | how would I start it then? |
| 01:27.48 | initech | mihaly: remote xserver? |
| 01:27.51 | Wyzard | mihaly: You probably want to install x-window-system, as jbr said -- that pulls in xserver-xfree86 and various other things you need for a complete installation |
| 01:28.12 | thorie | how do I su to a different user and gain all of their environment variables? |
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| 01:28.35 | thorie | currently if i su, all my environment variables stay the same such as my login name |
| 01:28.47 | greptacular | mihaly: check out mdetect, discover, and read-edid as well.. they're suggested packages to accompany x11 |
| 01:28.50 | thorie | so nothing works properly as the new user |
| 01:28.53 | fudje | So, anyone think that if you have an IDE system, it's a good idea to have IDE support in your kernel? |
| 01:29.04 | initech | su - makes it a login shell |
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| 01:29.33 | mihaly | geting x-window-system now |
| 01:29.48 | bbrazil | thorie: su - username |
| 01:30.00 | mihaly | hum... xserver was 16Mb and x-window is 60Mb :) |
| 01:30.10 | mihaly | it cant be the same :P |
| 01:30.44 | resiak | mihaly: It's not the same, which is the whole entire point. |
| 01:30.56 | imaginal | is there an easy way to update to sarge from woody? |
| 01:30.57 | thorie | thanks!! :) |
| 01:31.08 | fudje | imaginal: Yes. |
| 01:31.09 | useruser | imaginal: certainly |
| 01:31.19 | fudje | imaginal: Easier than pi. |
| 01:31.23 | debian | fudje: That's to simple to answer, so it must be a trick question, let us think about it and reply you in 5 years. :) |
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| 01:31.24 | resiak | imaginal: Normally I'd say /msg dpkg woody->sarge but dpkg appears to be borken at the moment. |
| 01:31.28 | mihaly | resiak: yea I realise that now |
| 01:31.36 | directhex | @woody->sarge |
| 01:31.38 | Wyzard | mihaly: Actually, I'd recommend x-window-system-core rather than x-window-system |
| 01:31.45 | directhex | stupid ravenbird |
| 01:31.50 | debian | @stupid |
| 01:31.50 | ravenbird | stupid is, like, the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. |
| 01:31.51 | fudje | debian: With any luck within 5 years, IDE will have been abolished. |
| 01:31.52 | Wyzard | mihaly: x-window-system pulls in things you truly don't need, like twm and xdm |
| 01:31.52 | jonesy | Wyzard: what |
| 01:32.11 | debian | fudje: same arguement for floppy drive 10 years ago |
| 01:32.12 | jonesy | Wyzard: what's the difference |
| 01:32.26 | mihaly | Wyzard should I break off x-window-system then? :S |
| 01:32.27 | initech | fudje: why do you think that? |
| 01:32.27 | Wyzard | jonesy: x-window-system depends on x-window-system core plus some other less-essential things |
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| 01:32.33 | fudje | same argument for Windows when it was introduced |
| 01:32.34 | Wyzard | mihaly: I would |
| 01:32.53 | imaginal | Hmm... so maybe the answer was so easy I missed it? Was that a command directhex? |
| 01:32.54 | greptacular | the difference between x-window-system and xserver-xfree86 isn't _that_ big |
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| 01:32.56 | fudje | initech: Because IDE or ATA or whatever you want to call it is wrong. |
| 01:33.19 | initech | fudje: that has nothing to do with it being abolished |
| 01:33.22 | mihaly | I if one is planning to recommend x-window-system-core-kick-as then do it now |
| 01:33.30 | directhex | imaginal, edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change 'woody' or 'stable' to 'sarge', apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:33.30 | mihaly | :) |
| 01:33.32 | useruser | imaginal: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change woody or stable to sarge. then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:33.36 | useruser | darn |
| 01:33.43 | jonesy | Wyzard: thanks. |
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| 01:33.55 | colter | Im running Sarge with gdm. I am missing the submenus when I want to add an applet to my top panel. Until recently, I had options like 'Action...' or submenus like 'Utilities', these are now gone. Any ideas what could be broken / where to look? |
| 01:34.02 | Wyzard | greptacular: No, but who uses twm these days? Why even have it installed? |
| 01:34.07 | imaginal | Thank you both! |
| 01:34.14 | greptacular | Wyzard: i don't. i go via the xserver-xfree86 method |
| 01:34.18 | fudje | initech: Hence 'with any luck' |
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| 01:34.34 | mihaly | core is smaller then just the system |
| 01:34.39 | initech | fudje: well it is getting more scsi like all the time |
| 01:34.41 | directhex | bed. |
| 01:34.44 | mihaly | but seams to have share stuff |
| 01:34.45 | initech | sort of |
| 01:34.45 | Wyzard | colter: You're using GNOME 2.8 now, and "add to panel" is now a window rather than a popup menu |
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| 01:34.58 | tell | i just install apache2, should i put my index.html file in /var/www/ ??? |
| 01:35.09 | useruser | colter: it's easier to use now. honest. |
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| 01:36.12 | matlads | where can I find information on how the official debian update cds are made? |
| 01:36.28 | greptacular | mihaly: -core is a good route to go as well.. it pulls in good deps like xbase-clients and xutils |
| 01:36.32 | fudje | tell: Sure, if you want to. |
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| 01:36.41 | jbr | mihaly: (x-window-system and -core are just dependency packages, not useful themselves... so once they've pulled stuff in, you can remove them and trim the excess) |
| 01:36.50 | nvz_ | tell: no, because for you to ask a question like that, this would mean you are doing so before reading the documentation and editing any config files, and possibly before the server is even running |
| 01:36.50 | mihaly | I am doing all of them :| |
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| 01:37.13 | fudje | I wonder if this development will allow me to say no to initrd... |
| 01:37.17 | greptacular | mihaly: that's fine.. aptitude will handle it :) |
| 01:37.21 | colter | Wyzard, useruser: I've had the popup menu until recently (default install with a 2-week-old sarge DVD), is this the result of a recent update? (Updated 179 packages last weekend) |
| 01:38.03 | Wyzard | colter: If that big update was when GNOME 2.8 went into sarge, then yes. I run unstable, though, so I don't pay close attention to when things enter sarge. |
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| 01:38.32 | fudje | @psychiatrist |
| 01:38.39 | fudje | aww. |
| 01:38.52 | colter | Wyzard: Ok. I'd just like to rule out any possibility of something being broken |
| 01:39.03 | fudje | colter: Wouldn't everyone? |
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| 01:39.28 | fudje | *Something* is gonna be broken somewhere.... |
| 01:39.33 | Wyzard | colter: When you pick "add to panel" you get a window, right? Not just "nothing happens" ? |
| 01:39.49 | tell | nvz_ : does this work for you: http://145.97.210.177/screenshot1.jpg |
| 01:39.59 | tell | nvz_ : that's all i needed now |
| 01:40.03 | matlads | where can I find information on how the official debian update cds are made? |
| 01:40.05 | fudje | You know, like your keyboard being to small and KP_ENTER therefore being to close to left arrow |
| 01:40.19 | colter | Wyzard: Yes. That was new to me (used to get an expanded menu), hence my question |
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| 01:40.39 | mihaly | I got a working x11 now :D could start up floxbox |
| 01:40.51 | nvz_ | tell: the link is valid.. it doesn "work" per se.. |
| 01:40.54 | colter | Well, if its the result of an update, I'm content |
| 01:40.57 | Wyzard | colby: "something being broken" doesn't normally implement new, nice-looking, working windows. :-) |
| 01:41.07 | mihaly | what is the kde package called? |
| 01:41.11 | colby | darn you tab completion |
| 01:41.12 | Wyzard | oops |
| 01:41.15 | resiak | mihaly: kde perhaps? |
| 01:41.16 | colter | hehe |
| 01:41.17 | Wyzard | colby: sorry :-) |
| 01:41.22 | imaginal | would it be a better idea to use sarge or sid? (newbie) I don't like everything so old in woody. |
| 01:41.25 | colby | Wyzard: np, it happens :o) |
| 01:41.28 | tell | nvz_ : you can see the image? |
| 01:41.29 | fudje | Wyzard: yeah. If you install e17. |
| 01:41.34 | resiak | imaginal: Sarge. |
| 01:41.38 | nvz_ | tell: nope, I can download it though |
| 01:42.00 | nvz_ | tell: you kind of have to have a capable environment to view an image |
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| 01:42.21 | fudje | imaginal: Seeing as how sarge is on the verge of becoming stable (the legendary verge where it could be next week or next decade) |
| 01:42.46 | Wyzard | colter: Anyway, all the same functionality is there... though if you use the "application launcher" option, it's easy to initially overlook the expander arrows next to the icons in the list that follows |
| 01:42.50 | colter | I guess that also explains certain other changes I have recently noticed ;-) |
| 01:42.55 | tell | nvz ok, thanks a lot |
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| 01:43.08 | mihaly | resiak can it be that simple? |
| 01:43.23 | imaginal | sarge is the best choice at this point then? |
| 01:43.23 | _SerhaT_ | Your text (removed the first word): is the best choice at this point then? |
| 01:43.29 | imaginal | thx! |
| 01:43.30 | colter | Wyzard: Ah yes, I have now noticed that. D'OH |
| 01:43.36 | resiak | mihaly: Try it and see! |
| 01:43.39 | colter | really is nice |
| 01:43.43 | mihaly | is it not perhaps kde-system? or kde-system-core |
| 01:43.45 | jay | when i tire to install debian i get a corrupt file message. is anything i can do besides domnload another copy? |
| 01:44.12 | Harik | Well, fark. |
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| 01:44.19 | resiak | imaginal: Would I have said Sarge so definitively otherwise? |
| 01:44.19 | markw | jay: this from a cd? |
| 01:44.23 | Wyzard | colter: I didn't notice that at first, and discovered by accident that it's now possible to add entire sections of the GNOME menu to the panel, by choosing them in that list rather than expanding them and choosing their children |
| 01:44.29 | mihaly | it was that easy it wanted to download 400MB :D |
| 01:44.34 | jay | yes it is from a cd |
| 01:44.37 | Harik | the stupid "cdrecord-prodvd" thing works with this drive, but the mostly-free dvdrecord dosn't. |
| 01:44.43 | resiak | mihaly: You could probably install less of it. |
| 01:44.43 | markw | jay: do a net install. |
| 01:44.50 | markw | jay: use the netinst iso. |
| 01:45.12 | mihaly | thank you for your help every one.... I am off for tonight |
| 01:45.19 | colter | Wyzard: I'll play around a bit to get familiar, now past the initial shock of something having changed without me really noticed I enforced it |
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| 01:45.28 | colter | noticing* |
| 01:45.37 | imaginal | resiak: point made... thanks!! |
| 01:45.37 | TheStar | Is there a way to copy lines from vim into the gpm mouse buffer? |
| 01:45.56 | TheStar | Because I can't select teh whole lines, adn I don't want any linebreaks and special formatting, etc. |
| 01:46.05 | Wyzard | colter: You might want to read http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/ |
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| 01:46.20 | Wyzard | colter: In particular, the "what's new" |
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| 01:46.34 | colter | Wyzard: Thanks a lot, I'll do that right now |
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| 01:46.56 | nvz | TheStar: if you figure out a way to copy using anything, without formatting chars, I'd like to hear about it.. heh |
| 01:47.19 | nvz | TheStar: I'd think for something to even happen that way it would be edited after it was on the clipboard |
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| 01:47.52 | TheStar | nvz: Well, you haven't tried vim with "set number", I see. |
| 01:48.01 | Qjahe | I got my DNS server (BIND9) running. when I do nslookup on the server everything is find and it finds it. but when I do nslookup on my window machine on a dos prompt it finds the IP of the dns server (mine) but then says it cant find the server name for that ip : none-existent domain. but I can ping it with its domain name on either box with no problem.. any suggestions? |
| 01:48.10 | TheStar | nvz: Or set list for that matter. |
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| 01:48.26 | colter | I like it mucho |
| 01:48.27 | nvz | TheStar: nope, just like you never heard me rant about how much I had vi / vim in here before |
| 01:48.29 | Wyzard | colter: One other change that's not mentioned in the release notes is that the Nautilus preferences window now has a checkbox for disabling the "spatial mode" that was introduced with GNOME 2.6 -- it previously could only be disabled by using gconf-editor |
| 01:48.33 | TheStar | Qjahe: Haven't setup teh windows box well enough. |
| 01:48.40 | nvz | s/had/hate/ |
| 01:48.53 | TheStar | nvz: Well, I'm sure emacs has extra chars to show tabs and teh like, given the correct setting. |
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| 01:49.00 | Harik | ... Fixating time: 297.290s |
| 01:49.03 | Harik | christ. |
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| 01:49.14 | deepcore | sup all |
| 01:49.21 | Qjahe | TheSar: I put the ip of my DNS server in the primary DNS. what else is there to do? |
| 01:50.06 | deepcore | well, when i upgrade my gnome from 2.6 to 2.8 the clock APp didn't work. can some know why ? |
| 01:50.32 | Qjahe | TheStar: I was thinking maybe the dns server is somehow setup as a foward server or somethign?... |
| 01:50.35 | Wyzard | deepcore: The default clock thing that appears in the panel? |
| 01:50.35 | colter | Wyzard: Nice, half of the external applets I use (such as WLAN monitoring) are now integrated... |
| 01:50.37 | deepcore | well, when i upgraded my gnome from 2.6 to 2.8 the clock APp didn't work. can some one know why ? |
| 01:50.40 | Wyzard | deepcore: Mine doesn't seem any different |
| 01:50.45 | Wyzard | deepcore: Don't repeat |
| 01:50.46 | matlads | where can I find information on how the official debian update cds are made? |
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| 01:50.55 | deepcore | colter, yes man |
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| 01:51.14 | TheStar | Qjahe: The client should tack on it's domain by default, if you have told it what domain it is. |
| 01:51.29 | dondelelcaro | !status |
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| 01:51.47 | TheStar | !status |
| 01:51.51 | deepcore | colter, do you know why ? |
| 01:51.54 | TheStar | <nothing happened> |
| 01:52.14 | Wyzard | TheStar: If something was going to happen, it would've happened when dondelelcaro said it |
| 01:52.33 | TheStar | Wyzard: I actually thought it might send it to privmsg |
| 01:52.40 | Qjahe | TheStar: windows box pings to domain name no problem. but when I do nslookup domainname.com it isnt finding it.. |
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| 01:52.57 | TheStar | Qjahe: Ok, that's strange. |
| 01:53.01 | Wyzard | TheStar: dpkg will msg you when you msg it, but not when you ask in the channel |
| 01:53.06 | TheStar | Qjahe: Settings in ipconfig correct? |
| 01:53.09 | TheStar | Wyzard: Ahh, ok. |
| 01:53.14 | Wyzard | TheStar: (aside from "!tell <user> about <foo>") |
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| 01:53.17 | Qjahe | TheStar: the dns box? |
| 01:53.23 | TheStar | Wyzard: I was just going to say that :) |
