| 00:00.37 | simonm | How can I convert rm-files to mpg? |
| 00:02.00 | rich_ | simonm mencoder but I had problems with some of them not sychronising the sound to the video correctly |
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| 00:02.44 | rich_ | simonm Or mplayer with the -dumpstream option to make a raw video dump, then run mencoder on that |
| 00:02.58 | medgno | has debian unstable had any updates in the past 2 days? |
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| 00:03.26 | simonm | rich_, thanks for your hint, but i can't find a mencoder package? |
| 00:03.31 | rich_ | simonm If you want higher qualiuty try transcode but be prepared for some serious lag |
| 00:03.58 | rich_ | simonm It ussually comes with mplayer, /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 00:04.06 | useruser | !tell simonm about marillat |
| 00:04.14 | simonm | rich_, I don't think that it is a matter of time. I'm student -- I've got enough of it ;-) |
| 00:05.02 | harryvv | in the debian splash screen with the sarge netinstall disk it gives you a prompt and 7 options. I have had a probeblm booting into my system on the hd so who ever gave me the answer is not working. Typing rescue26 root=/dev/sda1 devfs=root came back with cannot find image. |
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| 00:05.15 | rich_ | simonm hehe Yea, well in an industrial environment, they dont do it with a computer, they do it with whole "farms" of computers. Its something that takes a lot longer then you realise until you try it |
| 00:05.47 | herbi | damn slave labour |
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| 00:05.59 | herbi | when will industrial enviroments learn that computers have the right to vote too! |
| 00:06.53 | Nosf3ratu | Where does debian put/keep the "system resolution"? |
| 00:06.56 | Nosf3ratu | e.g. 72 or 96 dpi? |
| 00:06.59 | harryvv | im getting this error everyone. journeled block device loaded. pivot_root: no such file or dir /sbin/init 426 cannot open /dev/console: no such file. Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init. |
| 00:07.05 | harryvv | right at boot time. |
| 00:07.19 | harryvv | lots of files load but get to this point. |
| 00:07.21 | medgno | Nosf3ratu, that's based on the physical size of your monitor as DDC (?) probed |
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| 00:07.34 | herbi | harryvv, youre missing your /sbin/init |
| 00:07.39 | herbi | which isnt a good thing. |
| 00:07.48 | Nosf3ratu | medgno, hmm...odd. it recently was inflated so that my firefox and thunderbird fonts were all messed up. |
| 00:07.50 | harryvv | herbi, how to repair? |
| 00:07.52 | Nosf3ratu | everything else looks the same. |
| 00:07.54 | herbi | hmm or maybe not |
| 00:08.01 | rich_ | simonm transcode is slow by any measure, but it does seem to get better quality then faster methods Ive tried. |
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| 00:08.30 | harryvv | anyone? |
| 00:08.32 | herbi | harryvv, youre either missing /sbin/init or /dev/console, i cant tell with just typed output, i need you to paste it so i can see colons and stuff |
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| 00:08.50 | harryvv | i cannot im in windows |
| 00:08.56 | harryvv | its one system two hard drives |
| 00:09.01 | harryvv | i did write it down |
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| 00:09.15 | harryvv | care to see it again? |
| 00:09.29 | simonm | rich_, thank you |
| 00:09.32 | priest | is there a way to purge all config files for a program when you do a apt-get remove? |
| 00:09.49 | astronut | --purge |
| 00:09.52 | rich_ | simonm no problem |
| 00:09.56 | Nosf3ratu | priest, oddly enough --purge. man apt. |
| 00:09.58 | harryvv | or is there a way to repair it will it will load that directory? |
| 00:10.53 | jla | Is there a player that handles windows media audio voice streams/files? |
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| 00:11.14 | medgno | jla: if they're in wmv or wma mplayer should work |
| 00:11.21 | Usiu | How to download old udev ? |
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| 00:11.36 | astronut | how good is the apt mplayer build? i built my own, but is the debian one good? |
| 00:11.43 | Usiu | After upgrade new udev depends on kernel >= 2.6.8 ! |
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| 00:11.54 | Usiu | I dont have a time for that.. |
| 00:12.15 | medgno | astronut, mplayer is not in the official distribution |
| 00:12.25 | rich_ | astronut mplayer is not in debian, the third party deb archive maintained by christian marillat is very good |
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| 00:12.38 | nvz | Usiu: heh, somehow you had enough time to upgrade before thinking about that |
| 00:12.49 | rich_ | It is the only third part archive I use |
| 00:12.52 | astronut | i have 1.0cvs in apt |
| 00:13.03 | rich_ | party |
| 00:13.05 | astronut | !tell me about mplayer |
| 00:13.09 | Usiu | nvz, I was working while downloading upgrade.. |
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| 00:13.32 | gravity | astronut: Use /msg apt mplayer instead for such things please |
| 00:13.38 | astronut | sorry |
| 00:13.48 | gravity | No worries |
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| 00:13.54 | nvz | Usiu: you should learn to look at upgrades first.. there are tools like apt-lisbugs and apt-listchanges for upgrades on te3sting/unstable to prevent disasters like that |
| 00:13.59 | Agrajag- | when i apt-get install ntop, it wants to install xfree86-common and xlibs-data - how can i find out why? (it seems pretty odd that ntop requires X?) |
| 00:14.29 | Blissex | Agrajag-: it contains a graphical display program. |
| 00:14.41 | medgno | have there been any updates to the unstable archive in the past two days? I'm doing a dist-upgrade and it's saying that nothing is to be upgraded |
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| 00:15.10 | priest | have someone a good idea why my squirrelmail and apache setup sends out a "PHTML file" instead of the real page? |
| 00:15.18 | astronut | do sources lower or higher in the sources.list have priority? |
| 00:15.20 | Agrajag- | Blissex: it does? i thought it had an ncurses interface and web interface |
| 00:15.22 | nvz | Usiu: now you are trying to get urgency to makeup for ignorance, and it just wont happen unfortunatly |
| 00:15.30 | nvz | dpkg hurry! |
| 00:15.30 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 00:16.05 | jla | medgno: totem will play a regular .wma, but this .wma with a audio voice (Format Tag: 10?) codec is a no-go. I've not installed mplayer but I'll give it a go if you think it will handle them. I see posts from the spring saying it didn't |
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| 00:16.39 | elias | I'm trying to get sg to work, but when i modprobe I don't get any new devices created in /dev |
| 00:16.47 | elias | any ideas? |
| 00:16.59 | astronut | do sources lower or higher in the sources.list have priority? |
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| 00:17.09 | medgno | jla: it's handled everything I've thrown at it so far |
| 00:17.21 | medgno | installing w32-codecs should also help it play more formats |
| 00:17.25 | useruser | is there a free equivalent to google's desktop search? |
| 00:17.30 | Blissex | elias: you need the driver for your host adapter. Check that something gets lited when you say 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' |
| 00:17.33 | astronut | useruser: man find? |
| 00:17.40 | useruser | astronut: doesn't quite hack it :) |
| 00:17.41 | Blissex | useruser: quite a few. |
| 00:18.03 | useruser | Blissex: are they any good? care to recommend one? |
| 00:18.14 | Agrajag- | Blissex: where's this graphical display program? i just went through the entire file list for ntop and it doesn't seem to have any binaries other than /usr/sbin/ntop |
| 00:18.25 | nvz | I wasnt finished with him yet, but he got the moral, he just didnt get the part where I let him choose his course of action |
| 00:18.52 | cafuego | Agrajag-: last I checked I'm sure it used a webbrowser interface. |
| 00:18.56 | nvz | poor misdirected people in a hurry all the damn time ;) |
| 00:18.57 | Blissex | useruser: try 'ht:/Dig' or 'agrep' or tghe various WAIS implementations. |
| 00:19.00 | elias | Blissex, nothing. |
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| 00:19.05 | Blissex | useruser: lots and lots of more specialized ones. |
| 00:19.19 | Agrajag- | cafuego: yeah, so why does it want to install xfree86-common? |
| 00:19.19 | elias | Blissex, I'm trying to mount my ipod, but this is proving to be a stumbling block |
| 00:19.25 | Blissex | elias: then you don't have SCSI drivers or devices instead. |
| 00:19.26 | useruser | Blissex: do they let you search a filesystem? i thought ht:/dig was for webservers only |
| 00:19.34 | Blissex | useruser: both. |
| 00:19.43 | cafuego | Agrajag-: Probably depends on libxpm or somesuch for graph generation |
| 00:19.49 | Agrajag- | ah right |
| 00:19.56 | elias | Blissex, how can I fix that? |
| 00:20.01 | astronut | why does mplayer come up as 1.0cvs rather than whatever's in that guys archive? |
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| 00:20.33 | Blissex | elias: probably by loading the 1394 modules. try 'modprobe ohci1394' and 'modprobe sbp2' |
| 00:20.41 | useruser | Blissex: hmm, it only indexes text and html, though, it appears |
| 00:20.52 | gaasfet | anyone with an idea why my /media/cdrom keeps getting lost between reboots?? |
| 00:20.52 | Blissex | useruser: it has plugins IIRC. |
| 00:20.56 | cafuego | ieee1394 ohci1394 sbp2 sd_mod |
| 00:21.03 | rich_ | astronut because the debian package versions are not the same as the upstream version numbers? I dont know, but I think I heard someone say that |
| 00:21.06 | useruser | Blissex: ah, ok |
| 00:21.08 | cafuego | or usb-storage if you're using usb2 |
| 00:21.15 | rich_ | astronut But Im not sure |
| 00:21.26 | astronut | ya....the other is later |
| 00:21.28 | useruser | Blissex: (a little worrying that the version numbers in sid and woody are the same...) |
| 00:21.30 | astronut | i installed a custom one |
| 00:21.43 | astronut | now i can't uninstall, and it won't detect the new one |
| 00:21.59 | elias | Blissex, that didn't do it either |
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| 00:22.04 | astronut | wait, unisntall was dependency |
| 00:22.06 | Blissex | useruser: nooo. But yes, it is a bit old. |
| 00:22.10 | nvz | astronut: dpkg --get-selections | grep mplayer |
| 00:22.10 | astronut | but it won't get rid of the old mplayer |
| 00:22.12 | astronut | err |
| 00:22.17 | nvz | astronut: maybe you need the correct package name |
| 00:22.18 | astronut | won't find the new one |
| 00:22.20 | Blissex | elias: FW or USB2 device? I can't remember. |
| 00:22.25 | astronut | nvz: i had it, had to remove a dependent package |
| 00:22.38 | astronut | ok, got it |
| 00:22.43 | astronut | hmm... |
| 00:22.52 | astronut | k6, 586 or 386? |
| 00:22.59 | astronut | i'm on an athlon xp 2000+ |
| 00:22.59 | Blissex | astronut: 586 |
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| 00:23.05 | Blissex | astronut: or 686 |
| 00:23.34 | astronut | 686 wasn't given as an option for some reason |
| 00:23.37 | elias | All the firewire stuff is showing up in dmesg, but I don't get any devices |
| 00:23.50 | astronut | elias: is that your real name? |
| 00:23.53 | elias | Blissex, firewire |
| 00:23.57 | elias | astronut, yes |
| 00:24.03 | elias | astronut, why? |
| 00:24.07 | astronut | it's my middle name |
| 00:24.10 | astronut | fairly unique |
| 00:24.53 | green_earz | if i change the word testing in the apt source url to sarge all will be ok, ? and when sarge becomes stable version of debian, will it be ok to learve the apt source url with the sarge word ? |
| 00:24.56 | elias | astronut, but how do you pronounce it? e lie as or e lee as |
| 00:25.15 | astronut | ee-lie-ass |
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| 00:25.24 | elias | astronut, lee |
| 00:25.32 | Blissex | elias: if it is plugged in, and you have 'sbp2' and 'ohci1394', it must be listed under '/proc/scsi/scsi'. Then you need only to add 'sd_mod' to get it all. |
| 00:25.36 | astronut | like alias but with an e? |
| 00:25.48 | elias | right |
| 00:25.53 | astronut | interesting |
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| 00:26.04 | astronut | anyway, still spelled the same |
| 00:26.13 | elias | Blissex, still nothing |
| 00:26.14 | rich_ | green_earz Yes, but make sure to run apt-get update |
| 00:26.16 | astronut | very interesting to meet someone w/ it though |
| 00:26.23 | elias | Blissex, I'm going to grab a new kernel |
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| 00:26.26 | Blissex | elias: you are unlucky :-) |
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| 00:27.30 | astronut | !kernel |
| 00:27.35 | green_earz | rich_: so when sarge becomes stable its just a matter of apt-get update and all well |
| 00:28.58 | bloom | what must one do to make cdrecord work with a vanilla kernel 2.6.9? I patched cdrecord and submitted the patch to BTS, but is there something I'm missing? |
| 00:29.19 | bloom | I mean I got it working, but was a patch really necessary? |
| 00:29.25 | rich_ | green_earz No, apt-get update just updates the package list. When sarge becomes stable you do apt-get dist-upgrage I think |
| 00:29.42 | Blissex | bloom: not here, at least not with 'ide-scsi'. |
| 00:29.45 | green_earz | rich_: yes |
| 00:29.52 | PerfDave | bloom: The Debian cdrecord package should have the patch you need. |
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| 00:30.11 | rich_ | green_earz I mean apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:30.13 | nvz | thats what changelogs are for |
| 00:30.23 | bloom | PerfDave: not in 4:2.0+a38-1 it didn't work for me there |
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| 00:31.15 | bloom | PerfDave: does it work for you? are you running vanilla 2.6.9? |
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| 00:31.36 | PerfDave | bloom: Strange, it's always worked for me. Haven't tried it with vanilla 2.6.9 though, I thought the problem with cdrecord affected all 2.6.x kernels |
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| 00:32.14 | bloom | PerfDave: 2.6.8 and later, and then maybe debian's patched around it in the kernel. (I don't know. I don't run debian kernels or debian kernel sources) |
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| 00:32.35 | astronut | lets try that again... |
| 00:32.39 | sprax | Is there a single app to manage startup scripts or do I have to symlink everything manually? |
| 00:32.42 | astronut | gmplayer screwed up x |
| 00:32.53 | astronut | sprax: update-rc.d, though it's easier to do by hadn |
| 00:32.53 | mathieu | sprax, update-rc.d |
| 00:32.56 | dedikerad | i'm doing a paper in which i will try to explain what happened when the free software/open source explosively started developing applications. can anyone recommend good reading on this topic? |
| 00:32.57 | astronut | hand |
| 00:32.57 | useruser | !search agrep |
| 00:33.00 | nvz | astronut: what else is new |
| 00:33.11 | astronut | i never figured out how to use that properly |
| 00:33.11 | sprax | astronut, mathieu, thank you |
| 00:33.37 | green_earz | rich_: the reason being is i am going to have a go at selling a debain sarge box on ebay and when sarge become stable all that is need for the owner to do is the run the command apt-get dist-upgrade. may be able to do that for kpackage ? |
| 00:33.41 | mathieu | sprax, there's also rcconf |
| 00:33.41 | astronut | what's best output to use for mplayer? |
| 00:33.55 | Guerin | !best |
| 00:33.55 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 00:33.55 | mathieu | mplayer -vo best |
| 00:34.00 | PerfDave | bloom: Fair enough. I use Debian-provided 2.6.7 :) |
| 00:35.00 | astronut | that picked one that didn't work |
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| 00:35.24 | mathieu | uh... |
| 00:35.42 | useruser | astronut: mplayer -vo help. then try them all |
| 00:36.05 | astronut | test |
| 00:36.05 | mathieu | not all... only the sensible ones :) |
| 00:36.10 | astronut | hmm...my terminal stopepd taking input |
| 00:36.14 | directhex | astronut, xv is best, basically |
| 00:36.18 | astronut | ok |
| 00:36.22 | john_DoE | Is the debian team taking a break? I'm not getting any updates for the last 2 days |
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| 00:36.48 | astronut | john_DoE: me too |
| 00:36.58 | medgno | john_DoE, me too |
| 00:37.18 | directhex | on sid, i take it? |
| 00:37.20 | medgno | and i've tried the uk, us, and es servers and none have updates |
| 00:37.23 | john_DoE | directhex: yes |
| 00:37.24 | medgno | directhex, correct |
| 00:37.48 | directhex | i hear rumours of things being a bit b0rked, but sarge is updating fine |
| 00:38.00 | john_DoE | hmm |
| 00:38.09 | Lazydog | i'm looking for a small debian install to use as a firewall. what would you suggest? |
| 00:38.15 | astronut | hmm |
| 00:38.23 | astronut | alsa starts doing it but repeatidly pops up some error message |
| 00:38.31 | astronut | as in open close, blink |
| 00:38.39 | astronut | keeps going, the whole time |
| 00:38.41 | astronut | something about a mixer |
| 00:38.44 | medgno | in mplayer? |
| 00:38.45 | astronut | makes it unusable w/ alsa |
| 00:38.47 | astronut | ya |
| 00:39.01 | astronut | i guess i'll stick w/ -ao oss |
| 00:39.04 | medgno | I get that too, I just told it to use OSS via the ALSA OSS emulation |
| 00:39.07 | directhex | astronut, wrong. |
| 00:39.15 | directhex | medgno, also wrong. |
| 00:39.23 | astronut | directhex: it works |
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| 00:39.34 | directhex | yes, but it's not the best solution by a long way |
| 00:39.47 | directhex | apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-alsa, then use -ao sdl:alsa |
| 00:40.19 | astronut | what is that package? |
| 00:40.20 | medgno | in gmplayer i told it to output to sdl's alsa and it didn't work |
| 00:40.39 | directhex | medgno, do you have the libsdl1.2debian-alsa package installed? |
| 00:41.08 | medgno | nope |
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| 00:41.29 | directhex | medgno, you could install libsdl1.2debian-all |
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| 00:41.40 | directhex | medgno, incase you have a brain haemmorage and want to use aRts, that is |
| 00:42.22 | sprax | and what about kernel sources? Do I just pull the config off the CD? Or is there a smarter way? |
| 00:42.23 | medgno | directhex: i'm a gnomer. If I had the haemmorage i'd most likely try to get it to go through esd |
| 00:42.33 | useruser | when I submit a form at localhost/search.html (having just installed htdig) by browser(s) download the binary for /usr/lib/cgi-bin/htdig. why's that? |
| 00:42.37 | exobyte | is there a distro specifically for booting off an image and storing it in ram? |
| 00:42.59 | Guerin | exobyte: most any livecd can do that |
| 00:43.13 | useruser | to my uneducated eye, apache should treat /usr/lib/cgi-bin as a cgi-enabled directory according to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
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| 00:43.40 | astronut | hmm |
| 00:43.43 | directhex | sprax, debian kernels copy their config files to /boot, kernel source can be apt-get installed |
| 00:43.47 | astronut | i can't select the size |
| 00:43.50 | astronut | i can resize the window |
| 00:44.00 | astronut | but then i have to be very careful to perserve the aspect ratio |
| 00:44.03 | astronut | but double size doens't work |
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| 00:44.12 | directhex | doesn't zoom? |
| 00:44.37 | medgno | directhex: nope, still getting "Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound." |
| 00:44.37 | astronut | normal/double dont' work |
| 00:44.37 | astronut | i can resize it by the window |
| 00:44.41 | astronut | in which case it will zoom, but i can't keep the aspect ratio right |
| 00:45.44 | medgno | astronut: I get that too |
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| 00:48.03 | useruser | Blissex: i'm confused. are you sure htdig can index local filesystems without going through a webserver? i can't see an option for that anywhere |
| 00:48.06 | sprax | directhex ty |
| 00:48.16 | Blissex | useruser: I may have misremembered... |
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| 00:48.35 | lucasmk | beware of mong246 |
| 00:48.47 | useruser | Blissex: and agrep appears to be non-free, non-linux software |
| 00:48.49 | medgno | why? |
| 00:48.50 | exobyte | Guerin: oh yeah... I need to look into how to make a custom live cd |
| 00:49.00 | useruser | Blissex: what about WAIS things? what are they? |
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| 00:49.22 | useruser | Blissex: (apt-cache search wais returns nothing useful) |
| 00:49.36 | Blissex | useruser: there is a free 'agrep' clone IIRC, and it is most definitely for Linux, and there are Debian packages for it. |
| 00:49.47 | useruser | Blissex: okay... |
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| 00:49.56 | Blissex | useruser: WAIS is an old but useful thing, do a web search for 'freeWAIS'. |
| 00:50.32 | stoned | my dealer is a bunghole :( |
| 00:50.32 | useruser | Blissex: but it doesn't build an index for searching, right? the windows version looked like a crippled grep to me |
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| 00:50.37 | zignig | stoned: that's what you get for dealing with stoners...... |
| 00:50.37 | Blissex | useruser: it builds an index, and it is also a very extended version. |
| 00:50.39 | jasonf | hey, where do I put something if I want it to be in the .bash_profile for all new users? |
| 00:50.47 | zignig | stoned: :P |
| 00:50.48 | medgno | jasonf: /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 00:50.55 | stoned | zignig, life sucks, then you get stoned... |
| 00:51.00 | medgno | wait... or /etc/profile |
| 00:51.05 | astronut | medgno: how did you fix that? |
| 00:51.09 | Guerin | medgno: no |
| 00:51.13 | stoned | oh yeh, and u die one day too |
| 00:51.22 | medgno | okay, sorry. :-( |
| 00:51.24 | Guerin | jasonf: for NEW users, you want to put it in the skeleton script in /etc/skel/ |
| 00:51.27 | Blissex | useruser: as to htDig, it can definitely index local files. |
| 00:51.31 | rich_ | stoned Its not as easy as it looks. I'm sure he tries |
| 00:51.37 | exobyte | is there a easy way to auto-detect what parts of my kernel are actually used, recompile, removing the unused options |
| 00:51.45 | zignig | stoned: <=====~ ? |
| 00:51.52 | stoned | rich_, im depressed man, im moving and :( ... |
| 00:51.54 | Guerin | medgno: don't fuck with the bashrc and profile scripts in /etc/ |
| 00:52.08 | crunch | 1000 brownie points to whoever helps me sort this :) http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=267105 |
| 00:52.31 | useruser | Blissex: that's good news. do you know how to do it? |
| 00:52.37 | Guerin | !linuxquestions |
| 00:52.37 | dpkg | DON'T bother going to linuxquestions.org for help. By and large the people there are Red Hat tools or Mandrake tards or Knoppix morons who don't know a goddamn motherfucking thing about debian, and do nothing but lead innocent newbies astray. See http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/26/2004/06/2/154223 |
| 00:52.41 | medgno | Guerin: why not? In the bash.bashrc there are three lines to uncomment to enable completion |
| 00:52.45 | stoned | crunch, how many people are actually gonna take the time to go there and read the whole damn ting, why don't you just ask your question here |
| 00:52.48 | Blissex | useruser: these release notes from 1999 <http://search.uni-heidelberg.de/htdig/local/RELEASE.html> say: "Digging via the local filesystem can now be done even without an HTTP server running, and a few more file types can be indexed locally, without having to rely on the server." |
| 00:53.11 | crunch | stoned, i have asked many times already |
| 00:53.22 | useruser | Blissex: well that's good. pity the documentation is so opaque |
| 00:53.27 | Blissex | useruser: probably via "file:///" URLs. you can define which file extensions to index in its config file. |
| 00:53.30 | crunch | nforce2, cant enable dma, wont let me, sarge |
| 00:53.30 | Guerin | medgno: if you want to enable something for your users, edit the scripts in skel. if you want to change something for root, edit root's own scripts |
| 00:53.30 | budluva | can someone point me in the right direction about rss feeds? i want to replace my news page on my site with rss feeds |
| 00:53.33 | stoned | crunch, there is nothing wrong with persistance |
| 00:53.50 | medgno | Guerin: duh, I should have thought of that. Thank you. |
| 00:54.00 | stoned | crunch, im sure if someone knows they'll reply |
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| 00:54.31 | crunch | stoned, been trying for 3 days :( |
| 00:54.32 | stoned | crunch, what kernel are you running? |
| 00:54.44 | Guerin | stoned: if you'd readt the fucking post, you'd know |
| 00:54.46 | crunch | stoned, 2.6.8 adnd 2.6.9 |
| 00:55.13 | stoned | Guerin, too lazy |
| 00:57.07 | rich_ | Yea, everyone wants you to go read what they read, if its important they will state it, otherwise, it is hearsay |
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| 00:58.30 | rich_ | Nazgul Hello |
| 00:58.39 | stoned | i just went to those forums and looked at some general questions and how other answered them and I am still laughing |
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| 00:58.52 | Nazgul | hi rich_ |
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| 00:59.24 | crunch | stoned, i posted on several forums, but afaikt there are no decent forums for debian |
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| 00:59.57 | stoned | crunch, debain mailing list...? |
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| 01:00.06 | Guerin | crunch: debian doesn't have fora, it has mailing lists |
| 01:00.10 | stoned | by far the best debian support I'd say |
| 01:00.13 | Guerin | which are very active indeed |
| 01:00.28 | stoned | Guerin, word |
| 01:01.32 | gringo | Hi, I don't know what happened.. I have this linux computer which gets ip from dhcp from my xp computer. That is working ok, before, when I did for example "ssh bigpeta" on the xp pc, it recognized the ip and worked fine.. now I can only connect through the real ip, and I need to make the 'dns' to work again but I don't know what could have happened. Any ideas? |
| 01:02.09 | crunch | stoned,guerin im sure theres a simple solution to it, its just vvv anoying though,apart from this i think debian is great |
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| 01:02.36 | stoned | gringo, basically you want to ssh your linux box by hostname |
| 01:02.58 | stoned | that was a very... wordy... question hehehe |
| 01:03.06 | gringo | stoned, yes.. it was working before, perhaps it deconfigured somehow.. |
| 01:03.20 | gringo | stoned, I'd like to give at most details as needed from the beginning |
| 01:03.40 | gringo | and I didn't know the word hostname :) |
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| 01:04.50 | gringo | the thing is.. linux somehow exports the hostname to windows? or windows just get it if needed. I don't even know if it is something that is bad in the linux or the windows pc |
| 01:05.11 | mathieu | gringo, are you running samba? |
| 01:05.16 | gringo | mathieu, yes |
| 01:05.36 | mathieu | gringo, that might be it... samba/smb broadcasts names |
| 01:05.37 | Guerin | crunch: I doubt this has anything to do wiith debian; it's a linux kernel issue. |
| 01:05.54 | crunch | Guerin, its fine in every other distro |
| 01:06.17 | gringo | mathieu, samba works okay. \\bigpeta and it entered on my linux computer |
| 01:06.19 | Guerin | gringo: this is a windows XP id10t error |
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| 01:06.42 | debian | gringo: enable netbios in samba |
| 01:06.43 | Guerin | crunch: which other distros have you used? |
| 01:06.51 | gringo | Guerin, you mean id10t because its so easy that you know how to fix it? |
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| 01:07.15 | stoned | gringo, no because it is a trend within the linux community to dog microsoft products |
| 01:07.20 | Guerin | gringo: no, I mean id10t because that's the primary kind of error windows produces |
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| 01:07.29 | clusty | is there a way to change the brightness of the display for my laptop from linux (for win there is some utility to do it)? |
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| 01:07.34 | crunch | Guerin, redhat, fedora, ubuntu,xandros,knoppix,vidalinux,mandrake |
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| 01:08.05 | Guerin | crunch: build a kernel from one of those distributions; configs. |
| 01:08.10 | Guerin | s/;/'/ |
| 01:08.21 | jasonf | I need a touch of help setting up some apache virtual hosts |
| 01:08.27 | Guerin | clusty: depends what X driver you use |
| 01:08.32 | Guerin | clusty: xgamma might work |
| 01:08.38 | debian | crunch: did you compile you own kernel. |
| 01:08.39 | Guerin | jasonf: #apache |
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| 01:09.12 | Guerin | stoned: oh yeah, I only slag off MS because it's trendy. That's right. |
| 01:09.15 | directhex | Guerin, or nvidia-settings :) |
| 01:09.22 | clusty | Guerin: I was hoping to actually use the function buttons to reduce the backligt intensity. |
| 01:09.27 | Guerin | directhex: indeed :) |
| 01:09.27 | crunch | debian, no, i tried and it gave me vfs error when mounting / , i also tried using config from fedora and it still wouldnt work |
| 01:09.37 | clusty | Guerin: I am using ati videro driver |
| 01:09.43 | gringo | ok.. now that linux detected from samba \\bigpeta, it is working okay.. I got really confused, but its working :) thnks |
| 01:09.51 | stoned | Guerin, I didn't mean you specifically, I meant in general, it is a fact that you cannot deny either btw |
| 01:09.54 | Guerin | clusty: see if there's an ati util then |
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| 01:10.21 | debian | crunch: that's to say you used kernel image. chances that the image here doesn't include the option it needs for your case. You've to compile it on your own |
| 01:10.21 | Guerin | stoned: the thing you cann't deny is that it's mostly for very good reasons. You make it sound as if it wasn't deserved. |
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| 01:10.39 | stoned | Guerin, I never said it wasn't deserved, I only noted that it was a trend to do so |
| 01:10.56 | stoned | Guerin, for the record, it is VERY much deserving of more dogging |
| 01:10.56 | directhex | clusty, ati in theory have a control panel, but if it works as well as the rest of their stuff, it'll segfault and erase the contents of /etc for fun |
| 01:11.03 | rich_ | stoned I think you got it backwards. Unix and linux were the mainstream, microsoft is the trend |
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| 01:11.11 | Guerin | stoned: it's not a trend; it's cause/effect |
| 01:11.15 | stoned | rich_, very different context |
| 01:11.27 | Guerin | umm, linux has never been the mainstream |
| 01:11.31 | crunch | debian, the default image loads nforce2 drivers , from what ive read,the problem is it loads generic ide before nforce ide which in turn disables the nforce ide drive from loading |
| 01:11.35 | stoned | Guerin, ok so I rephrase myself, but it is somewhat of a trend |
| 01:11.42 | Guerin | no, it's not |
| 01:11.47 | rich_ | Guerin certainly not for english teachers |
| 01:11.58 | directhex | crunch, do you know at which point during boot it's loading? |
| 01:12.12 | debian | crunch: as modules? |
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| 01:13.19 | crunch | directhex, debian the relevant bit from dmesg is here if that helps http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=267105 |
| 01:13.28 | Guerin | rich_: it's never been the mainstream because it wasn't invented until 1990 and wasn't widely used or even well supported until several years later. Don't equate unix with linux. |
| 01:13.40 | Guerin | !dict trend |
| 01:13.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'trend' (3 shown; 29 total): horizontal fault. The linear extent of the dislocation measured on the fault plane and in the direction of movement is the ;; dip fault when its trend is at right angles to the strike; an ;; Fault \Fault\, n. 1. (Elec.) A defective point in an electric circuit due to a crossing of the parts of the conductor, or to contact with another conductor or the earth, or to a break in the circuit.. |
| 01:13.52 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 01:14.09 | directhex | crunch, what you consider relevant, others might not. all of smesg on a paster service plase |
| 01:14.15 | directhex | *dmesg |
| 01:14.18 | Guerin | 1991, I should say |
| 01:14.22 | stoned | lol |
| 01:14.37 | crunch | directhex, one mo ;) |
| 01:14.42 | debian | crunch: still you didn't answer my question, are they loaded as modules or what? |
| 01:14.54 | Guerin | stoned: Dictionary 'trend' (3 shown; 29 total): the popular taste at a given time; "leather is the latest vogue"; |
| 01:15.10 | stoned | eitherway brother |
| 01:15.14 | NoGodNoMaster | hi ... i just noticed that there are no updates on ftp.debian.org since two days (sarge/sid) ... is that correct? |
| 01:15.18 | rich_ | Guerin Unix has always been the standard in the scientific, and industrial communities. I was useing unix before the eighth grade, just because I happenned to live in such a community. Its all those windows weenies who constitute the fad |
| 01:15.36 | medgno | NoGodNoMaster: I've been seeing that too |
| 01:15.38 | crunch | directhex, http://www.pastebin.com/130517 |
| 01:15.40 | rich_ | They are the ones following a trend |
| 01:15.42 | stoned | i believe it is a trend and thats that, difference of opinions. now the discussion if pointless, thanks for enlightening me on the subject |
| 01:15.49 | crunch | debian, nforce2 drivers are in the kernel |
| 01:15.53 | debian | rich_: before 8th grade! Where do you live and study! :) |
| 01:16.01 | Guerin | rich_: I agreed with you about unix. I disagreed about linux. |
| 01:16.02 | astronut | hey! |
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| 01:16.13 | astronut | debian: i started using linux in 8th |
| 01:16.25 | astronut | primary OS for a while, went back to windows, now run it full time |
| 01:16.26 | astronut | (11th) |
| 01:16.41 | rich_ | debian My father crushed atomes for a major university in silicon valey, so I used his passwords |
| 01:16.48 | Guerin | stoned: belief without justification is called 'religion' |
| 01:16.56 | debian | astronut: he's talking about UNIX! You know UNIX costed a fortune at that time |
| 01:17.05 | NoGodNoMaster | medgno: so im not the only one ... just asked cause i just switched isp and thought it could be a problem ... and so far there were mostly daily updates ... thanx |
| 01:17.07 | debian | rich_: Oh I remember you said |
| 01:17.10 | astronut | debian: true, i guess |
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| 01:17.28 | medgno | NoGodNoMaster: yeah, I was panicing too |
| 01:17.36 | stoned | I have my justifications, but I am too lazy to type them up right now |
| 01:17.39 | microsys | hi, i want to run quotas on my rootserver. but the partition i wanna have quotas on is the root. quotacheck does only run with read-only fs, doesn`t it? the rootpartition of a rootserver isn`t to be good to be mounted ro-only isnt it? |
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| 01:17.57 | debian | rich_: I envy you. My father just crushes people at work. |
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| 01:18.11 | Guerin | microsys: wtf is the point of quotas on root, since most all the files are/should be owned by root? |
| 01:18.15 | debian | rich_: and your father does that in sub-atomic level. :) |
| 01:18.24 | Guerin | debian: he's a policeman, then? |
| 01:18.32 | microsys | no, i want to have /home/ftp on quota. but this is located on rootfs |
| 01:18.37 | stoned | that was a cheezy saying btw anyway, because that is not what constitutes a religion, or defines it, or characterrizes it |
| 01:18.39 | rich_ | debian Yea I guess so, he is retired now |
| 01:18.47 | debian | Guerin: yeah, I knew average int here is higher than everywhere else. :) |
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| 01:19.05 | microsys | so for quotacheck to work i will have to use ro-only mounted rootfs. but thats not good on an dedicated |
| 01:19.05 | Guerin | microsys: the best way to do this would be to put the things you want to quota on a different filesystem |
| 01:19.13 | microsys | i cannot |
| 01:19.26 | debian | rich_: and the best he left me is his gun. |
| 01:19.29 | microsys | or i do not want to cu the partition |
| 01:19.32 | Guerin | stoned: you want to get into this argument? |
| 01:19.42 | microsys | cut even |
| 01:19.43 | stoned | Guerin, I thougth were already were :) |
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| 01:19.58 | crunch | directhex, was that of any use? |
| 01:19.59 | stoned | we* |
| 01:20.07 | Guerin | microsys: have fun, then. |
| 01:20.23 | microsys | the problem is would have to cut the partition on the fly |
| 01:20.23 | Mike_ | Hi, im trying to install my sound card on a Demension 8200, i have 2.6.9 kernels but don't really know whats going wrong, can anyone help me |
| 01:20.24 | stoned | Guerin, no |
| 01:20.28 | microsys | since rebooting is bad ;) |
| 01:20.44 | microsys | isn`t there another way to do the quota? |
| 01:20.53 | microsys | hm |
| 01:21.01 | stoned | Guerin, lets not discuss religion publically, especially in a support channel |
| 01:21.03 | microsys | with the ftpd itself hrhr |
| 01:21.09 | Guerin | stoned: let's not. |
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| 01:21.13 | directhex | crunch, you're right about the problem, though debian kernel images have initrd's with all modules in - i suspect the offending ide module is in there. that said, i'm not sure how to disable a module at initrd level. hrm... did you TRY idebus=133 ? |
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| 01:21.46 | crunch | directhex, i tried setting that with hdparm but that still doesnt let me enable dma |
| 01:22.03 | stoned | I will say this though, religion is personal, belief is infernal, and god is internal (cheese? don't care, it sounds cool anyway) |
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| 01:22.12 | crunch | directhex, i can try that now and reboot if you like |
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| 01:22.46 | stoned | navi? |
| 01:22.48 | Wordan | what is the name of the package that gives gnome apps a nice print diolog to select printer, papersize etc? Im havving problems printing to a laserwriter8500 multiputpose tray, I'm told PageRegion should be set in addition to PageSize(by cups newsgroup when they looked at the ppd) the app but it isnt. Anybody have any ideas? |
| 01:22.59 | Mike_ | anyone |
| 01:23.00 | directhex | crunch, well i'm going to bed, i have work tomorrow |
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| 01:23.06 | crunch | directhex, its only my SATA thats 133, thats ok, its the ide drive that need dma |
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| 01:23.15 | stoned | Wordan, apt-get intall cupsys cupsysbsd and maybe xprt |
| 01:23.18 | crunch | directhex, fair enough, thanks for trying |
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| 01:23.36 | stoned | Wordan, i use gnome cups manager |
| 01:23.46 | directhex | crunch, technically sata ought to be 150, though no bugger sells genuine sata drives. except seagoat. or the new maxtors. |
| 01:24.08 | stoned | lol, seagoat |
| 01:24.38 | crunch | directhex, i'll worry about that later ;) my maxtor sata drive seem ok so far |
| 01:24.47 | pipeline | directhex, crunch: well, it doesn't really matter. No drive can get up to 133 mb/s anyway. |
| 01:24.57 | directhex | pipeline, sssh ;) |
| 01:25.08 | directhex | pipeline, next you'll say ultra 320 scsi is a waste |
| 01:25.15 | Wordan | stoned, iv got those installed. but i think for some reason PageRegion in the postscript isnt being set, im told its ment to be |
| 01:25.18 | rich_ | stoned I disagree about religion, I think we are what we do, and the more we deny that, and pretend to be something else, the less happy we are |
| 01:25.21 | stoned | sssh, is that a secure secure-shell |
| 01:25.30 | crunch | /dev/sda: |
| 01:25.30 | crunch | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.47 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: singe drive, probably... for multiple drives, it's a possibility |
| 01:25.49 | rich_ | or as the bible says dont hide your light under a bushel |
| 01:26.00 | stoned | rich_, religion isn't the same for everyone |
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| 01:26.17 | Xenguy | nor is there only one religion ;-) |
| 01:26.23 | gregj | anyone knows simmilar error: |
| 01:26.25 | gregj | XIO: fatal IO error 25 (Inappropriate ioctl for device) on X server ":0.0" |
| 01:26.34 | stoned | rich_, everyone needs someething or someone to hold on to, some religion, some debian |
| 01:26.36 | stoned | :) |
| 01:26.38 | dxd | !dict deist |
| 01:26.38 | gregj | I am trying to start X, and it gives me this |
| 01:26.39 | dpkg | Dictionary 'deist' (2 shown; 3 total): Note: A deist, as denying a revelation, is opposed to a Christian; as, opposed to the denier of a God, whether atheist or pantheist, a deist is generally denominated theist. --Latham. ;; a person who believes that God created the universe and then abandoned it . |
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| 01:26.52 | jasonf | !help |
| 01:26.56 | jasonf | !help me |
| 01:27.04 | jasonf | !helpme |
| 01:27.04 | dpkg | Please help me. I need help. I don't know who I am no more. |
| 01:27.09 | jasonf | exactly. |
| 01:27.31 | crunch | dpkg, look for a name tag in your shirt |
| 01:27.31 | dpkg | crunch: I give up, what is it? |
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| 01:27.58 | stoned | dpkg, bunghole |
| 01:27.58 | dpkg | "Would you like to see cerb's bunghole???", or "I am the great CORNHOLIO!! Must have TeePee for my BUNGHOOOLE!!" |
| 01:28.05 | jasonf | I need some help with apache ... I have a sneaking suspicion it's a debian-specialness apache issue |
| 01:28.31 | Mike_ | anyone? |
| 01:29.25 | Xenguy | !tell Mike_ about audio |
| 01:30.30 | stoned | "Where I come from, we have no bungholes" |
| 01:30.36 | gregj | anyone can tell me what might be wrong in X ? |
| 01:30.38 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: With SATA, when do you have multiple drives sharing a channel? |
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| 01:30.52 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: RAID, my boy, RAID. |
| 01:31.03 | prh | ~. |
| 01:31.04 | apt | .. |
| 01:31.08 | astronut | anyone know why the updates are 2 days behind? |
| 01:31.19 | dondelelcaro | astronut: dinstall didn't run for some reason |
| 01:31.30 | astronut | what's dinstall? |
| 01:31.50 | dondelelcaro | astronut: that's part of dak that actually sticks stuff into the archive. |
| 01:31.51 | dondelelcaro | !dinstall |
| 01:31.51 | dpkg | from memory, dinstall is the Incoming queue processor that runs on master daily - It's !dinstall until the next dinstall run, or obsolete. katie has replaced it. |
| 01:31.58 | Chance | i want to give access to ppl on my php server to function mail but i don't want them to be able to send more than 50 mails per day |
| 01:32.02 | Chance | how can i do that ? |
| 01:32.04 | astronut | !dak |
| 01:32.04 | dpkg | dak (also known as The Girls) is the set of scripts that manage the debian archives, including the testing scripts. See http://cvs.debian.org/dak/?cvsroot=dak for the code. |
| 01:32.21 | astronut | the girls? who name...never mind |
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| 01:32.26 | Chance | anyone ? |
| 01:32.31 | Sandman | To uupdate a source tree, does one have to extract the tarball first? Or, build the package once first? |
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| 01:32.43 | Chance | can anyone help me with my issue please ? |
| 01:32.47 | dondelelcaro | astronut: all of the scripts in dak are named after famous girls |
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| 01:33.06 | astronut | ah...such as marilyn monroe or w/e? |
| 01:33.06 | garrett | Chance, a little patience goes a long way in here. i speak from experience. |
| 01:33.19 | amathis | how do I kill an X server running on '0'? |
| 01:33.22 | garrett | Chance, what's your problem anyway? |
| 01:33.29 | pipeline | dondelelcaro: So, SATA still uses the old IDE master-slave crap even though each drive is on a separate cable, then? |
| 01:33.40 | stoned | amthis alt + control+ backspace |
| 01:34.00 | amathis | stoned it doesn't work :( |
| 01:34.08 | garrett | amathis, or ps ax, look for the process and kill it |
| 01:34.09 | dondelelcaro | pipeline: I don't know enough about the implementation of SATA. I was just commenting on how you could get a "disk" that was faster than 133MB/s |
| 01:35.04 | amathis | nothing is working :/ |
| 01:35.26 | Sandman | Would a removable hard disk function okay for a backup device? |
| 01:35.35 | Wordan | wheres the best place to get help with a package? |
| 01:35.41 | dondelelcaro | Wordan: you can just ask here. |
| 01:35.47 | astronut | dondelelcaro: so do we know why it didn't run |
| 01:35.49 | Sandman | How long can a hdd last without being used? Such in this case: If I were to take a removable hdd and put it in a safety deposit box, how long could it last this way |
| 01:36.02 | dondelelcaro | astronut: it happens from time to time. Most likely master ran out of disk space |
| 01:36.03 | garrett | amathis, or /etc/init.d/sendsigs...or just reboot (haha, i am lazy and weak) |
| 01:36.06 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: I'd strongly suggest using something less mutable |
| 01:36.09 | Chance | garrett i want to give access to ppl on my php server to function mail but i don't want them to be able to send more than 50 mails per day |
| 01:36.17 | astronut | dondelelcaro: k...so how long will updates be? |
| 01:36.22 | dondelelcaro | Sandman: since harddrives have a nasty habit of failing suddenly |
| 01:36.35 | zignig | Sandman: ages, you should probalby power it up every couple of years so the spindle does not stick. |
| 01:36.37 | dondelelcaro | astronut: it should run the next time around... not really a big deal |
| 01:36.41 | Guerin | cd media would be ideal for that, I'd think |
| 01:36.44 | garrett | Chance, write your own php script? i dunno sorry |
| 01:36.48 | pipeline | Sandman: I don't know exactly, but if I recall correctly, shelf life is actually shorter than MBTF. |
| 01:36.51 | Guerin | high-quality cds or dvds |
| 01:36.51 | rich_ | safety deposite boxes are ussually metal but not always magnetically shielded. |
| 01:36.54 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: although, even that seems to decay... |
| 01:36.59 | Guerin | yeah, they do |
| 01:37.12 | Guerin | but it seems mostly due to usage/light/etc |
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| 01:37.22 | Guerin | the silver shit comes off all of mine |
| 01:37.25 | rich_ | It could be sitting there within a foot of little jimmy's favorite magnet |
| 01:37.44 | sabin | i'm having trouble with kernel 2.6 and udev, is this the right place to get help? |
| 01:37.56 | toresbe | NO! We will MOCK YOU! |
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| 01:38.16 | dondelelcaro | !mock toresbe |
| 01:38.18 | toresbe | We will POUR our DERISION into YOU at EVERY OPPORTUNITY! |
| 01:38.22 | Wordan | Im having problems printing from gnome. I am told by someone on the cups news group that the application must set PageRegion for my printer(accoring to the PPD) but it does not apear to be doing so properly. Who/where can i ask about that? |
| 01:38.28 | toresbe | mmm..cheese |
| 01:38.39 | toresbe | sabin: But go ahead and ask :D |
| 01:39.28 | sabin | toresbe, i've compiled 2.6 with hotplug and installed udev, now the problem is it can't mount root because there's no /dev/hda6 but i'm _guessing_ udev can't create /dev/hda6 cuz root's not mounted, what do i do |
| 01:39.41 | dondelelcaro | Wordan: whoever told you that is smoking something strong |
| 01:39.52 | dondelelcaro | Wordan: properly formatted PS doesn't have to have a PageRegion |
| 01:40.43 | toresbe | sabin: I do not know the answer to your question. I shall openly mock you as I am out of cheese. |
| 01:40.45 | Wordan | I think my printer needs it though, because when I go PageRegion set to the paper size it apeared to work : / |
| 01:41.05 | aim1159 | is it safe to remove hotplug from the fresh sarge with 2.6 kernel install? i'd like to do thinks like I used to in woody and build my custom monolit kernel (without modules) I mean. |
| 01:41.09 | dondelelcaro | sabin: you need to use the proper root= option if you're going to mount udev at boot |
| 01:41.25 | dondelelcaro | aim1159: sure. You'll probably want to remove discover too. |
| 01:41.37 | sabin | dondelelcaro, i do, i used the same root= option the default kernel(one running now) is using |
| 01:41.49 | Wordan | dondelelcaro, but i have no idea about postsript so maybe it is something else, I have example PS hosted |
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| 01:42.15 | dondelelcaro | sabin: the default kernel just has udev support, iirc, and doesn't actually mount udev on boot. |
| 01:42.21 | dondelelcaro | (or it mounts it in /.dev |
| 01:42.22 | aim1159 | also - who should I ask to include pptp-linux package into the net iso of sarge? it's very bad that it does not include this package since many ISPs all over the world require pptp-client wich pptp-linux provide |
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| 01:42.54 | aim1159 | is there any wishlist for sarge mini isos like the list for big isos? |
| 01:42.56 | amathis | this SUCKS. |
| 01:42.58 | amathis | really BAD |
| 01:43.04 | amathis | how can I list what X servers are running? |
| 01:43.25 | dondelelcaro | aim1159: use reportbug to file a wishlist bug. However, iirc, pppoe support as already included on the netinst iso. |
| 01:43.43 | sabin | dondelelcaro, i believe u that default kernel has udev, but i'm still trying to compile a custom one, am i missing something? do i need an initrd? |
| 01:43.45 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 01:43.45 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:44.00 | aim1159 | dondelelcaro: pppoe is not the pptp-linux. it's two differen technologies. the pptp is somthing m$ use. |
| 01:44.25 | amathis | hello? |
| 01:44.31 | Sandman | pipeline: Why would that be, btw? I was trying to figure that out |
| 01:44.41 | dondelelcaro | aim1159: *shrug* File a wishlist bug then |
| 01:44.52 | Sandman | If it's simply because sometimes the spindle sticks, that can usually be fixed (from my experience, at least) by just smacking it up against something a few times. |
| 01:45.05 | Sandman | Not too hard, but not too soft, either. |
| 01:45.25 | useruser | amathis: ps? |
| 01:45.28 | Mike_ | Xenguy: my driver is not there, I think im suppose to use emu10k1x but I can't find it |
| 01:45.44 | aim1159 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 01:45.56 | sabin | dondelelcaro, sorry about writing "u", but it would still be really nice of you to help me |
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| 01:46.17 | amathis | wtf :( |
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| 01:46.24 | amathis | it thinks an X server is running |
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| 01:46.32 | Sandman | Aside from the spindle ever sticking, if that were never a problem, how reliable would a hdd be? Still not as good as a tape, but what I'm wondering is whether or not it'd be good enough |
| 01:46.36 | amathis | rebooting doesn't work |
| 01:46.37 | Xenguy | Mike_: sorry, it's been way too long since I had to set up sound - I just figured I'd send you that pointer, but maybe somebody else in this channel can help |
| 01:46.43 | TheStar | *sigh* |
| 01:46.51 | useruser | amathis: what are you blathering about? |
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| 01:47.11 | TheStar | As of now, I am 50% of the way to becomming an expert postfix administrator. |
| 01:47.15 | toresbe | sabin: The less brutal way of fixing stiction is just holding it in your hand |
| 01:47.19 | toresbe | uh, Sandman |
| 01:47.29 | Mike_ | i know sound in and out, alsa and oss, i've been trying to install it for about 3 hours now with no luck |
| 01:47.38 | amathis | useruser: I was messing with a program I was writing, and let it go fullscreen to test... well, evedentally something went wrong because it killed X when I exited.... now it cannot start an X server |
| 01:47.38 | toresbe | sabin: The centre of the spindle in the middle of your palm |
| 01:47.43 | Mike_ | Im about to give up but really need sound |
| 01:47.53 | toresbe | and then quickly flick your wrists |
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| 01:47.57 | amathis | useruser: it boots up and says there is already an X server running on 0 |
| 01:48.01 | Guerin | Mike_: what card, what kernel? |
| 01:48.08 | TheStar | Mike_: I don't use sound, but I do know enough to say that you want alsa *OR* oss. |
| 01:48.09 | toresbe | sabin: More successful, less brutish |
| 01:48.10 | larkface_769 | mike: do you have the right kernel modules? |
| 01:48.13 | dondelelcaro | sabin: either turn off udev mounting at boot, or figure out the proper root when you mount udev at boot. |
| 01:48.42 | useruser | amathis: odd. maybe there's a lockfile floating around somewhere |
| 01:48.52 | amathis | useruser: any ideas where? |
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| 01:49.09 | useruser | amathis: not off the top of my head... |
| 01:49.18 | sabin | dondelelcaro, but why would the current kernel work with the root i passed to the kernel that won't boot? |
| 01:49.40 | larkface_769 | amathis: try /tmp/.X0-lock. |
| 01:49.52 | rafple | Mike try sndconfig, its from mandrake but you can use it also in debian |
| 01:50.01 | dondelelcaro | sabin: because you're using totally different kernel options, and different kernels. |
| 01:50.25 | Guerin | no, sndconfig bad |
| 01:50.28 | amathis | brb |
| 01:50.34 | sabin | dondelelcaro, so you're saying it could be a DIFFERENT device for the root? |
| 01:50.37 | dondelelcaro | sabin: udev uses paths like /dev/ide0/bus0/disc0/part0 or something |
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| 01:50.40 | dondelelcaro | sabin: yes. |
| 01:50.52 | rafple | but its working ;-) |
| 01:51.03 | Guerin | rafple: fsvo work. |
| 01:51.42 | meff | hmm is it just me or has sid's pkg lists not updated in 2 days? |
| 01:51.44 | meff | kinda odd |
| 01:51.54 | dondelelcaro | meff: dinstall didn't run |
| 01:52.08 | sabin | dondelelcaro, ooooh |
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| 01:52.22 | meff | dondelelcaro: whats that, and why? curious. |
| 01:52.38 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 01:52.39 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian is NOT Knoppix | Sarge Base+Standard frozen; installer: /msg dpkg d-i | sarge not out /msg dpkg wwsr | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | DINSTALL DID NOT RUN -- NO NEW SID PACKAGES |
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| 01:52.49 | dondelelcaro | !dinstall |
| 01:52.49 | dpkg | i guess dinstall is the Incoming queue processor that runs on master daily - It's !dinstall until the next dinstall run, or obsolete. katie has replaced it. |
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| 01:53.40 | Mike_ | Guerin: 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 04) on a Dell Demension 8200, kernel is 2.6.9 |
| 01:54.17 | war|child | Is there any bittorrent client(s) I can use for 3.0-stable? Which actually do work, or do I have to upgrade python from sources ? |
| 01:54.33 | meff | war|child: you look at backports? |
| 01:54.36 | dondelelcaro | war|child: get a backport of both |
| 01:54.50 | Guerin | Mike_: remove all existing sound modules with rmmod, then modprobe snd-au8810 snd-pcm-oss |
| 01:54.53 | meff | war|child: backports.org |
| 01:54.58 | war|child | Thank you :) |
| 01:55.28 | Guerin | Mike_: (at least, i think that's the module) |
| 01:55.43 | meff | war|child: keep that site bookmarked its very handy when running stable :) |
| 01:56.08 | rafple | exit |
| 01:56.26 | rafple | #debian.pl |
| 01:56.31 | Mike_ | Guerin: ok, done, do i need to restart? |
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| 01:56.53 | Guerin | Mike_: no. try to play something |
| 01:57.11 | larkface_769 | I might start a flamewar, but I have to ask: why is gnome2.0 not included in 3.0-stable? |
| 01:57.14 | war|child | meff: Yeah, I'm a slackware user, but I've got a -really- fast development box which I'm gonna leech some stuff to. :-P |
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| 01:57.23 | Mike_ | i can't change the sound, it goes back to mute |
| 01:57.36 | Guerin | Mike_: what are you trying to play with? |
| 01:57.44 | Mike_ | gnome volume thing |
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| 01:57.52 | Mike_ | im about to try a movie with totem |
| 01:57.56 | Guerin | Mike_: use cli tools |
| 01:58.07 | Guerin | Mike_: ogg123 and alsaconfig |
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| 01:58.45 | rhiamom | I installed Sarge, Nic module r8169 loaded, network works for anywhere from 30 seconds to 30 minutes, usually a couple minutes, then loses connectivity. |
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| 01:58.59 | Guerin | err |
| 01:59.02 | meff | does the NWN demo run on linux with the linux update patches? |
| 01:59.02 | Guerin | not alsaconfig |
| 01:59.06 | Guerin | alsamixer |
| 01:59.10 | Guerin | !hurt me |
| 01:59.11 | Mike_ | ah ok |
| 01:59.13 | useruser | larkface_769: could have something to do with it not existing when woody was released |
| 01:59.22 | jcook | I want to make a custom kernel using make-kpkg ... but i dont know how to get the 'vesafb.ko' into /lib/modules/?/initrd/ ? anyone know how to do that? |
| 01:59.57 | larkface_769 | wow. the gnome people must burn through version numbers _fast_. |
| 02:00.07 | asg | jcook: use --initrd as an option to make-kpkg |
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| 02:00.07 | Mike_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 02:00.19 | rhiamom | Ipdown eth0, delete /var/lib/dhcp.leases, ifup eth0 doesn't work. /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't work. Only a revboot restores network access |
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| 02:00.50 | veleno_ | i installed openvpn, but didn't get sample files. is it normal for debian packages ? homepage signals the presence of those files only in rpm ones... |
| 02:00.50 | Guerin | Mike_: ok, some oss modules are still loaded |
| 02:01.09 | Guerin | Mike_: give me the output of lsmod |grep snd; on a httpd someplace |
| 02:01.12 | asg | veleno_: check in /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* |
| 02:01.20 | rhiamom | Same problem switched to static IP. Problem doesn't exist on same hardware running Kanotix |
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| 02:01.37 | asg | veleno_: if they are anywhere, that's where they will be (dpkg -L <pkg> will also list all files if you are interested.) |
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| 02:01.46 | Mike_ | oh man, there all there, i though i removed them |
| 02:02.05 | larkface_769 | does anyone know the major and minor numbers for /dev/eth0? |
| 02:02.17 | veleno_ | asg there they are O^O |
| 02:03.20 | Mike_ | Guerin: give me a second, let me remove them again |
| 02:03.30 | asg | veleno_: wearing horn-rimmed spectacles? |
| 02:03.42 | jcook | asg: how does that option know to put vesafb.ko into the dir 'initrd' ? |
| 02:03.57 | asg | jcook: it puts all modules in an initrd image. |
| 02:04.04 | veleno_ | asg i need a pair of glasses.. |
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| 02:05.19 | kenboo | is argouml available in Sarge? |
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| 02:05.26 | Mike_ | Guerin: done |
| 02:05.26 | asg | kenboo: /msg dpkg search |
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| 02:05.31 | amathis | :( |
| 02:05.35 | amathis | it isn't working |
| 02:05.42 | amathis | I cannot get a X server up |
| 02:05.43 | jcook | asg: in the std kernels (from testing/unstable) ... the vesafb.ko module is copied into the dir /lib/mod...../2.6....../initrd/ that is how mkinitrd knows to put that module into the initrd image ... if the module does not get put into the kernel image ... it wont get put into the initrd |
| 02:05.59 | Mike_ | Guerin: bash: /usr/bin/alsamixer: No such file or directory |
| 02:06.11 | larkface_769 | amathis: sorry. maybe in /var/lock |
| 02:06.18 | asg | jcook: that's how mkinitrd works, make-kpkg apparently has some extra magic |
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| 02:06.35 | amathis | larkface_769: I really hope so :) |
| 02:06.44 | Guerin | Mike_: erm... |
| 02:06.50 | Mike_ | Guerin: thats why there all back, modprobe snd-au8810 snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:06.56 | jcook | asg: so make-kpkg should (somehow) be copying vesafb.ko there ? |
| 02:07.10 | amathis | larkface_769: nope.. nothing in there |
| 02:07.18 | amathis | larkface_769: I deleted all the stuff in /tmp/X* |
| 02:07.18 | veleno_ | larkface_769 afaik, ls -l reports also major and minor |
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| 02:07.28 | Mike_ | Guerin: goto #flood |
| 02:07.31 | Guerin | Mike_: no. remove the OSS modules only; those which don't begin with snd- |
| 02:07.41 | amathis | larkface_769: perhaps something in ~/ |
| 02:07.43 | asg | jcook: if vesafb.ko is a module that is part of the kernel you compiled, yes. |
| 02:07.46 | amathis | larkface_769: I am going to look |
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| 02:08.40 | larkface_769 | amathis: what are you running? (distro) |
| 02:09.08 | asg | jcook: this has been my experience, at any rate. |
| 02:09.22 | veleno_ | larkface_769 i confirm that you get them with a simple ls -l over the device you're interested in. |
| 02:09.34 | amathis | larkface_769: ubuntu. but #ubuntu isn't helping |
| 02:09.38 | Mike_ | guerin: correct? |
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| 02:10.17 | iceman | gxmame suddenly won't start. I get no errors at all, the GUI just does not appear.. any ideas? |
| 02:10.20 | jcook | asg: the reason I am asking this is because I make a kernel a couple of weeks ago ... and even though it compiled vesafb.ko ... it dont not copy the file into initrd (the dir under /lib/modules) |
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| 02:10.40 | asg | jcook: did you use the --initrd option to make-kpkg? |
| 02:10.46 | larkface_769 | veleno: well...for some reason /dev/eth* doesn't exist. all I have are a bunch of /dev/edb*'s |
| 02:11.12 | jcook | asg: pretty sure i did ... (ill keep reading) |
| 02:11.19 | larkface_769 | I installed Woody on another drive in my box; same problem |
| 02:11.44 | asg | larkface_769: woody with a 2.6. kernel? |
| 02:12.01 | larkface_769 | nah. 2.4.18 (homemade) |
| 02:12.27 | larkface_769 | amathis: sorry, but I've bombed out. |
| 02:12.42 | amathis | :( |
| 02:12.50 | a_monkey | i get these errors when trying to start x: "(EE) NV(0): No valid modes found" and "(EE) Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration" |
| 02:12.51 | asg | larkface_769: I'm pretty sure that there is not /dev/eth* |
| 02:12.55 | a_monkey | can anybody help? |
| 02:12.57 | asg | s/not/no/ |
| 02:13.01 | war|child | Anyone who knows where in gods name it installs bittorrent ? |
| 02:13.06 | larkface_769 | asg: what do you mean? |
| 02:13.15 | war|child | (used backports) |
| 02:13.21 | asg | larkface_769: I don't have a /dev/eth0 on any machine I have. |
| 02:13.44 | asg | larkface_769: all my machines, however, have eth0 as the designator for their primary ethernet interfaces. |
| 02:13.47 | a_monkey | i have an nvidia video card |
| 02:13.52 | a_monkey | and i am on a ppc |
| 02:13.58 | larkface_769 | hrmph. then how can I get my ethernet working? |
| 02:14.01 | asg | a_monkey: try #debianppc |
| 02:14.05 | a_monkey | k... |
| 02:14.19 | veleno_ | larkface_769 which kernel are you running ? |
| 02:14.24 | asg | larkface_769: well, does '/sbin/ifconfig -a' indicate an eth0? |
| 02:14.59 | larkface_769 | no. and it's 2.4.18. |
| 02:15.26 | larkface_769 | just lo. |
| 02:15.35 | amathis | is there a way to just kill X server? |
| 02:15.41 | asg | larkface_769: then use '/bin/lspci -v' to find what make of card it is and then find a module for said card and install it (with /sbin/modprobe) |
| 02:15.41 | veleno_ | larkface_769 how are you connecting to the internet ? |
| 02:15.44 | sussudio | amathis: garlic? |
| 02:15.53 | amathis | sussudio: o.o |
| 02:15.53 | pingouin | :) |
| 02:15.53 | asg | amathis: CTRL+ALT+BKSP |
| 02:15.59 | jcook | god damn ... someone needs to translate man make-kpkg into "human" |
| 02:16.01 | amathis | asg: heh, that doesn't work. |
| 02:16.06 | asg | sussudio: you need shallots and a hammer these days. |
| 02:16.14 | amathis | this is so weird :/ |
| 02:16.18 | kenboo | jcook, what do you want to know? |
| 02:16.21 | asg | amathis: does CTRL+ALT+F1 take you to console? |
| 02:16.28 | amathis | asg: that is where I am now. |
| 02:16.44 | larkface_769 | I already have the driver installed. it just won't work. |
| 02:17.04 | asg | amathis: log in and try 'pkill X' or (if that doesn't work) 'pkill -9 X' |
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| 02:17.09 | veleno_ | here's a trivia: if someone speaks about "multi-vpn", is it speakin about multi-client vpn server ? |
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| 02:17.19 | amathis | ok |
| 02:17.29 | asg | larkface_769: if the driver was installed, you would see 'eth0' in the output of '/sbin/ifconfig -a' |
| 02:17.31 | jcook | kenboo: OK ... so i know ... I want to make a kernel package ("kernel-image-2.6.9-i8600+ati") ... but --revision has totally confused me |
| 02:17.31 | veleno_ | larkface_769 do you have the module loaded ? |
| 02:18.22 | jcook | kenboo: do i just edit the makefile's kernel version (ie will make-kpkg figure it out?) |
| 02:18.24 | amathis | asg: nope |
| 02:18.28 | kenboo | jcook, uh i'm confused with the revision option. i just use random string with the option.. |
| 02:18.35 | asg | amathis: then the driver is not installed |
| 02:18.39 | amathis | asg: when it tries to create X server, it says 'Already an X server running on 0 |
| 02:18.43 | kenboo | jcook, it's in the debian file. |
| 02:18.44 | amathis | asg: no, that is not it |
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| 02:18.52 | larkface_769 | it's embedded in the kernel. and what i meant was, it shows it's startup message identifing the driver, just nothing else. |
| 02:18.59 | asg | amathis: sorry, thought you said you were trying to kill X |
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| 02:19.10 | jcook | kenboo: so ? ... i edit the makefiel and supply the --revision option ? |
| 02:19.19 | asg | larkface_769: paste that 'startup message' |
| 02:19.33 | larkface_769 | k. 1 sec... |
| 02:19.37 | kenboo | kernel-source/debian.Version |
| 02:19.38 | veleno_ | larkface_769 cat /proc/modules |grep YOURDRIVERNAME does it report it ? |
| 02:19.45 | amathis | asg: here is the background... I was working on an application, and I tried to test fullscreen, well it worked.. but when I exited it killed X so I rebooted... but when I got to the login, it said 'Could not start X server on 0: one is already running' |
| 02:19.53 | jcook | kenboo: hmmm |
| 02:20.02 | amathis | asg: I have deleted /tmp and stuff |
| 02:20.04 | kenboo | i give --revision=blah:c1 for example |
| 02:20.08 | amathis | asg: but even a reboot doesn't work |
| 02:20.24 | asg | amathis: oh, okay |
| 02:20.35 | jcook | kenboo: ok ... ignore me .. I just stumbled lower onto --flavour |
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| 02:20.48 | larkface_769 | 1 sec! i'll be right back... |
| 02:20.54 | asg | amathis: I suggest you use 'strace' (apt-get install strace if you don't have it) to find out what is failing. |
| 02:21.14 | amathis | I have it installed |
| 02:21.16 | amathis | how to use? |
| 02:21.36 | asg | amathis: well, a simple test would be 'strace -o ~/trace X' |
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| 02:22.09 | larkface_769 | dmfe: Davicom DM9xxx net driver, version 1.36.4 (2002-01-07) |
| 02:22.26 | larkface_769 | and that's all, folks! (my line) |
| 02:22.30 | asg | amathis: ~/trace will contain the system calls and other data that might indicate what it wanted to open or create but couldn't due to some existing lock etc. |
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| 02:23.16 | asg | larkface_769: what does 'lspci' list? the same thing? |
| 02:23.34 | Guerin | Mike_: sorry, got a phone call from a prospective employer |
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| 02:23.47 | Guerin | </arse-kissing-mode> |
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| 02:24.03 | amathis | asg: hmm.. |
| 02:24.07 | larkface_769 | no. I have a Compex RL100-ATX 10/100 card. but the chipset maches the driver. |
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| 02:24.14 | amathis | asg: it does fine creating an X server as root |
| 02:24.18 | Guerin | Mike_: rmmod i810_audio |
| 02:24.27 | amathis | asg: perhaps it is some config in my ~/ ? |
| 02:24.31 | a_monkey | nobody can help on #debianppc |
| 02:24.33 | Guerin | Mike_: if it still doesn't work, rmmod sound. |
| 02:24.35 | kenboo | how to install java vm? z42.de doesn't provide the package any more |
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| 02:24.37 | asg | amathis: or a lock, run the trace as the user. |
| 02:24.42 | amathis | asg: I can't. |
| 02:24.47 | Guerin | !tell kenboo about java-package |
| 02:24.49 | amathis | it says taht I have no auth to run X |
| 02:24.50 | a_monkey | "(EE) NV(0): No valid modes found" |
| 02:25.02 | a_monkey | "(EE) Screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration" |
| 02:25.05 | Guerin | a_monkey: tell it some valid modes |
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| 02:25.14 | asg | amathis: why? |
| 02:25.18 | a_monkey | looks like my xf86 config file is screwy |
| 02:25.24 | a_monkey | but it looks totally fine |
| 02:25.36 | larkface_769 | a_monkey: make sure your sync settings on your monitor are correct |
| 02:25.48 | kenboo | Guerin, there's no make-jpkg |
| 02:25.50 | a_monkey | larkface_769: they are |
| 02:25.54 | kenboo | i'm using Sarge |
| 02:25.58 | Guerin | kenboo: apt-get install java-package |
| 02:26.04 | Guerin | kenboo: it's in contrib |
| 02:26.14 | a_monkey | give me an example of what a "valid mode" should look like |
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| 02:26.24 | larkface_769 | ok. 1 sec. |
| 02:26.24 | kenboo | uh i guess i don't have contrib in the source list |
| 02:26.29 | Guerin | a_monkey: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:26.39 | a_monkey | Guerin: already tried that |
| 02:26.47 | Guerin | don't add modelines manually; you WILL break things |
| 02:26.51 | Guerin | a_monkey: try it again. |
| 02:27.00 | a_monkey | i tried it about 8 timesz |
| 02:27.06 | asg | amathis: if that doesn't work, try 'strace -o ~/trace startx' |
| 02:27.22 | Guerin | a_monkey: select modes you know your devices can support |
| 02:27.35 | Guerin | a_monkey: look up your monitor manufacturer specs |
| 02:27.40 | a_monkey | Guerin: that's what i did |
| 02:27.44 | green_earz | a_monkey: am i right in thinking that your graphic are not works ? |
| 02:28.04 | a_monkey | green_earz: yes |
| 02:28.09 | Guerin | a_monkey: either 1) you didn't do it right or 2) your hardware doesn't support ANY modes. I know which I think it is... |
| 02:28.28 | a_monkey | ok... |
| 02:28.48 | amathis | startX is not a command |
| 02:28.55 | asg | amathis: startx (lowercase) |
| 02:28.58 | amathis | oh |
| 02:28.59 | amathis | heh |
| 02:28.59 | amathis | yeah |
| 02:29.01 | Guerin | amathis: beatings. |
| 02:29.09 | asg | amathis: if ubuntu doesn't have startx, it is fucking worthless |
| 02:29.13 | debian | !kick amathis |
| 02:29.17 | a_monkey | Guerin: i even tried directly copying my xf86 config modes that used to work on my other distro into the xf86 config file |
| 02:29.25 | amathis | wtf |
| 02:29.36 | amathis | asg: ok, it starts Xserver fine. |
| 02:29.36 | larkface_769 | what is it? |
| 02:29.37 | amathis | wtf |
| 02:29.38 | amathis | brb |
| 02:29.52 | debian | !wtf |
| 02:29.52 | dpkg | WTF is What The Fuck |
| 02:30.00 | amathis | ag!! |
| 02:30.07 | amathis | I think I just got a clue |
| 02:30.11 | amathis | I tried just 'startx' |
| 02:30.11 | asg | !win amathis |
| 02:30.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, amathis! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:30.13 | amathis | and it said this.. |
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| 02:30.26 | asg | !wtf is also apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is wtf |
| 02:30.27 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 02:30.30 | green_earz | a_monkey: you could run a knoppix on the box and if it runs ok, have a look in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and check its setting |
| 02:30.32 | asg | !botsnack |
| 02:30.34 | dpkg | :), asg |
| 02:30.39 | amathis | Error in locking auth file .Xauthority |
| 02:30.44 | debian | !wtf |
| 02:30.44 | dpkg | What the fuck is wtf |
| 02:30.48 | asg | amathis: there you go |
| 02:30.50 | amathis | permisison is denied on that file |
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| 02:30.52 | amathis | asg: what do I do? |
| 02:30.54 | Guerin | amathis: #ubuntu |
| 02:31.00 | asg | amathis: delete it |
| 02:31.02 | amathis | Guerin: they are incompetant |
| 02:31.02 | amathis | :/ |
| 02:31.05 | amathis | :) |
| 02:31.09 | amathis | I asked several times |
| 02:31.14 | Guerin | amathis: sucks to be using a poorly-suppored distro |
| 02:31.30 | debian | amathis: you chose to use a distro crowded with incompetant. |
| 02:31.32 | Guerin | I thought ubuntu was supposed to be all-auto, all the time? |
| 02:31.38 | larkface_769 | amathis: shoot the nearest copy of redhat to vent your anger. |
| 02:31.44 | debian | amathis: that's your choice. Be one of them, or use other distro |
| 02:31.53 | asg | !wtf |
| 02:31.53 | dpkg | What the fuck is wtf, or apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is wtf |
| 02:32.06 | debian | asg: you don't get the joke here. |
| 02:32.19 | larkface_769 | amathis: like debian! |
| 02:32.23 | asg | debian: I do, I just extended it with a useful tool |
| 02:32.41 | debian | asg: wtf is /usr/games/wtf btw? :) |
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| 02:33.07 | asg | !kick debian (in a nice way ;) |
| 02:33.20 | debian | !kick asg in his ass. |
| 02:34.15 | debian | !kick asg and happy. |
| 02:34.20 | larkface_769 | !kick asg (without sofa) |
| 02:34.41 | debian | it's nice to gangband people |
| 02:35.18 | asg | larkface_769: if you want it (ugly couch) you have to get past (http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/webster/webster-couch-4.jpg) |
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| 02:35.35 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:35.40 | Guerin | ph333r teh catx0r |
| 02:35.48 | asg | Guerin: that was on a good day |
| 02:35.56 | Mike_ | Geruin: hmmm..... still nothing |
| 02:36.11 | kenboo | Guerin, java-package is not available in Sarge, it seems |
| 02:36.19 | debian | asg: this is YOU?! |
| 02:36.28 | Guerin | !info java-package sarge |
| 02:36.38 | asg | debian: yeah, didn't shave that day |
| 02:36.41 | Guerin | kenboo: right you are |
| 02:36.44 | jcook | ok all ... what's the convention for naming packages ... ... OK ...so i have a dell i8600 ... (i think) I want to have a package (kernel 2.6.9 (debain source) + a patch to get the alps touch pad working), and 2 other module packages ... one for the ati driver, and the other for the ndis driver ... so ... what should be the final names of the 3 packages? |
| 02:36.46 | debian | asg: you look more handsome than I thought |
| 02:36.46 | kenboo | ic |
| 02:37.05 | Guerin | kenboo: since it's just a bunch of scripts, you can probably get away with installing it from sid - grap it from p.d.o |
| 02:37.15 | asg | debian: hah, better than bob2 |
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| 02:37.22 | debian | asg: my apology. It's so wrong to kick a cat. |
| 02:37.24 | Guerin | Mike_: you've done something wrong, then. |
| 02:37.31 | kenboo | Guerin, ok. |
| 02:37.47 | asg | debian: you don't want to attempt to kick this one, he is vindictive |
| 02:37.59 | dondelelcaro | jcook: you want a .deb in the end with the right kernel-package. Just use make-kpkg; and call the resultant package whatever you want. |
| 02:38.00 | toresbe | Hahaha, easter egg, an Opera JS debug class has a function that returns "Were you only as smart as Bjørn Vermo..." |
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| 02:38.01 | Guerin | Mike_: I'm busy now, sorry... but in principle, that fixed these problems - remove all non-alsa sound modules, probe alsa modules, be happy. |
| 02:38.06 | toresbe | I know Bjørn Vermo! :D |
| 02:38.09 | Shorty` | anyone know how to turn syntax highlighing on in vim... (for php mostly) I can't find anything on google :/ |
| 02:38.18 | asg | Shorty`: :syntax on |
| 02:38.23 | Mike_ | alright Guerin, thanks for your help |
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| 02:38.33 | amathis | ok, almost working >_< |
| 02:38.38 | jcook | dondelelcaro: which is what? ... that's what Im asking ... what do i want to call them/ |
| 02:38.41 | amathis | when I tried to start X it gave an error file. |
| 02:38.45 | amathis | .xsession-errors |
| 02:38.48 | debian | asg: I found that all cats are vindicative. Mine sat on my face in the morning because I forgot to fill in his bowl last night. |
| 02:38.51 | Shorty` | what about turning that auto tabbing off |
| 02:38.57 | Shorty` | auto indent |
| 02:39.02 | amathis | and it said that it could not read .ICEauthority |
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| 02:39.03 | Zap-W | i had to add www-data to shadows group for squirrelwebmail to work , i dont want this , help |
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| 02:39.15 | warren_ | when i ry connecting using kppp i get a error saying cannot find /dev/ppp0 |
| 02:39.21 | amathis | asg: it cannot read .ICEauthority... but that file doesn't exist |
| 02:39.23 | amathis | what should I do? |
| 02:39.33 | asg | debian: this one hacked a furball last night at 3:15 am and I can't find it. I posit that it is somewhere among the presents. |
| 02:39.36 | mage | how do I do a null in vi? |
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| 02:39.43 | whorrix | amathis: check your file perms |
| 02:39.58 | mage | my vi mug page doesn't cover nulls :( |
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| 02:40.26 | nevyn | nulls? |
| 02:40.33 | asg | amathis: but you said that startx worked right? |
| 02:40.35 | asg | nevyn: \0 |
| 02:40.40 | mage | yea \0 |
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| 02:40.51 | debian | asg: and don't all cats sit in the middle of the sofa where you, as a master, suppose to be sat on. |
| 02:40.54 | mage | just doing a little bit of program editing in vi :) |
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| 02:40.57 | ixi-deb05 | Sorry for offtopic, but #mysql seems to be sleeping right now :) Mysql question: I created a user with GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES option on mysql.* but he can't CREATE DATABASE. How to grant this ability to him? |
| 02:41.09 | asg | debian: nah, I sit on the other end closer to the beer. |
| 02:41.31 | mage | ixi-deb05: just guessing but all could mean this and this and this, not all |
| 02:41.32 | debian | asg: and I've never seen a cat sits as bad. |
| 02:41.48 | amathis | asg: for root |
| 02:41.52 | whorrix | any one here use kppp? |
| 02:41.54 | asg | ixi-deb05: all privs on mysql.* (the database) doesn't grant the ability to create arbitrary databases. |
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| 02:42.01 | amathis | asg: when I startx for amathis, it says that 0 is already taken |
| 02:42.07 | asg | debian: he has no backbone, that's for sure. |
| 02:42.08 | Serialkiller | i am trying to install vmware, i am at teh section where it wants to comile the modules, well my kernel was compile from gcc 3.3.5 but i have 3.3.4 on my system. i am using sarge and its the kernel that cam in the install.. where do i find gcc3.3.5 its not in the apt-search |
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| 02:42.30 | debian | asg: (look the pic again), yeah, right. |
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| 02:42.56 | asg | amathis: when I told you to 'strace -o ~/trace startx' as the user (amathis), you said it started. Did it not? |
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| 02:43.24 | asg | debian: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/cats/webster/webster-couch-3.jpg (you'll get that look if you disparage the cat.) |
| 02:43.31 | amathis | asg: no, I said root did, didn't I? I think i did../(not being smart with you) but when I did it as amathis, it gave that .Xauthority error |
| 02:43.38 | bghfhfg | I downloaded a QuickTime movie from the Internet, but mplayer just registers black frames. Are there any other Linux media players that can handle .mov compressed header QuickTime? |
| 02:43.45 | asg | amathis: did you delete .Xauthority? |
| 02:43.50 | amathis | asg: yes I did |
| 02:43.54 | asg | hmmm |
| 02:44.01 | amathis | and now it says It cannot open .ICEauthority |
| 02:44.10 | asg | amathis: is there a .ICEauthority file in your home directory? |
| 02:44.13 | ixi-deb05 | asg: mysql.* was just my guessing... then how to allow a user to create databases? Would you help? |
| 02:44.45 | amathis | asg: yes |
| 02:44.47 | asg | ixi-deb05: I'm about to go to bed, the documentation at mysql.org should provide the necessary info (apt-get install mysql-doc if you want to read it locally.) |
| 02:44.48 | amathis | asg: delete it? |
| 02:44.51 | asg | amathis: sure |
| 02:44.53 | amathis | ok |
| 02:44.54 | calmar | does anybody know to to bring aptitude 'not' to ask 'do you really want to quit' ? |
| 02:44.54 | jetscreamer | and what are the permissions on that file |
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| 02:45.06 | ixi-deb05 | asg: ok, thanks anyway |
| 02:45.16 | asg | ixi-deb05: sorry I couldn't help further |
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| 02:45.29 | debian | asg: she looks like the master of the house |
| 02:45.47 | asg | debian: he (it) is the master of all things apparently ;) |
| 02:46.07 | TheTom | is there a command like loadkeys, only that it loads a charset for X? or any other way to change kbd layout without having to edit XF86Config and restart x? |
| 02:46.18 | rich_ | bghfhfg mplayer works for me, I just watched a .mov . I use the marillat packages and I think you might need some other things installed like libquicktime possibly |
| 02:46.19 | amathis | YAYAYAYAY!!!! |
| 02:46.20 | amathis | wq00ty!^WYHWU |
| 02:46.24 | asg | !win amathis |
| 02:46.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, amathis! You have won the US presidency! |
| 02:46.25 | amathis | asg: you rock man! |
| 02:46.26 | amathis | :) |
| 02:46.33 | debian | asg: one cat rules them all.... |
| 02:46.34 | asg | amathis: glad you got that working |
| 02:46.37 | Zap-W | are there any companies out there giving free shell accounts? |
| 02:46.48 | TheTom | dog > cat |
| 02:46.59 | jetscreamer | did you ask that before, Zap-W ? |
| 02:47.00 | asg | Zap-W: the last one I heard of was snooping passwords and then cracking boxes. |
| 02:47.06 | Zap-W | jetscreamer: never |
| 02:47.07 | debian | TheTom: dog > cat > TheTom |
| 02:47.08 | asg | Zap-W: trust noone |
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| 02:47.26 | Zap-W | asg: what you mean? it isnt my box |
| 02:47.29 | jetscreamer | somebody did |
| 02:47.30 | zignig | asg: except youself , and then only if you have to. |
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| 02:48.06 | asg | zignig: nah, only if I have to prove a point at work. |
| 02:48.12 | Zap-W | what does trust got to do with it |
| 02:48.12 | amathis | hmm |
| 02:48.14 | amathis | this is odd. |
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| 02:48.27 | dondelelcaro | cedric_: set Aptitude::UI::Prompt-On-Exit=False; aptitude install aptitude-doc-en; read file:///usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s04s05.html |
| 02:48.35 | profounded | anyone: I need a hand.. I have to install XFree86 4.0.3 because its the only ver of XF that a driver for my video card was created but I cant detect my mouse, and if i set it up manually, the mouse moves but the buttons dont work |
| 02:48.36 | Zap-W | dosen't this http://maild.mine.nu look nice? guess what webmail is it |
| 02:48.38 | profounded | any ideas???? |
| 02:48.48 | asg | Zap-W: if someone offers you a shell account, you login, type stuff, maybe even passwords to other systems. Did it not cross your mind that they could be logging every keystroke coming through their systems? |
| 02:48.49 | profounded | im desperate now.. |
| 02:49.01 | Matthew_I | why hasn't the unstable archive been updated in the past two days, development just slow or something? |
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| 02:49.08 | asg | Matthew_I: /topic |
| 02:49.13 | Zap-W | asg: then i wouldnt do that kind of stuff |
| 02:49.28 | jetscreamer | what is DINSTALL |
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| 02:49.37 | asg | Zap-W: not you, companies offering free shell accounts (like the ones you were asking about earlier.) |
| 02:49.40 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg dinstall |
| 02:50.00 | Zap-W | asg: no , i mean i would login to sensitive places |
| 02:50.16 | Zap-W | with the shell account |
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| 02:50.22 | Zap-W | just use it for d/l warez |
| 02:50.23 | Zap-W | lol |
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| 02:50.37 | asg | Zap-W: then you will be in good company. Try efnet |
| 02:50.47 | as | how do I permanately disable a service (portmap)? |
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| 02:51.00 | asg | as: remove the package is a good way to do it |
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| 02:51.07 | Zap-W | damn it's 04:51 am here |
| 02:51.10 | as | asg: i tried but gnome depends on it |
| 02:51.37 | asg | as: then use update-rc.d to remove it's links in /etc/rcX.d or put 'exit 0' after the shebang line in /etc/init.d/portmap |
| 02:51.40 | as | otherwise i would |
| 02:51.44 | asg | s/it's/its/ |
| 02:51.44 | jetscreamer | gnome can go, it's a metapackage |
| 02:51.49 | asg | !apostrophesmite asg |
| 02:52.02 | as | what about gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 02:52.10 | jetscreamer | also a meta |
| 02:52.17 | as | how can i tell that? |
| 02:52.20 | as | dpkg-query? |
| 02:52.37 | jetscreamer | not sure, i just 'know' (now) |
| 02:52.47 | as | uncanny |
| 02:52.53 | jetscreamer | trial and error |
| 02:52.56 | as | ok thanks asg and jetscreamer |
| 02:53.04 | asg | as: you're welcome |
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| 02:53.10 | as | i'll probably just use update-rc.d |
| 02:53.18 | as | it comes back every time i upgrade |
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| 02:53.24 | as | have a good night! |
| 02:53.31 | xerophyte | Is there anyway i can find out which configuration file does the sshd use, which currently running .. ? |
| 02:53.46 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.50 | Mike_ | can someone else help me with my sound, im really close to getting it, /proc/asound/cards has it in there, alsamixer runs, i just can't hear anything |
| 02:53.52 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 02:54.11 | jetscreamer | turn up the volume\\\\\\\\ |
| 02:54.24 | Sandman | Has anyone noticed that television in general represents an absence of free will? |
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| 02:54.51 | hyur | i've got a problem with my kernel. during init, after it calculates module dependencies, i get a few "... modprobe: Can't locate module ..." errors. the modules it's looking for are things that i have since built into the kernel. can anybody help me fix this or tell me what the deal is? |
| 02:54.56 | jetscreamer | i noticed that tv fuckin sucks, does that count? and that it's spamspamspam aka 300 channels of shit |
| 02:54.57 | jorgp_ | when the configure fails on a package during install, how do you remove that dpkg from trying to install each time? |
| 02:55.11 | jorgp_ | that from dpkg |
| 02:55.30 | jetscreamer | hyur, you sure that's not hotplug or discover? |
| 02:55.31 | dondelelcaro | jorgp_: you fix the configure script |
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| 02:55.57 | jorgp_ | dondelelcaro: it fails because it is in chroot env |
| 02:56.06 | hyur | jetscreamer: no idea what you're talking about, you mean what modules is it looking for? |
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| 02:56.19 | gravity | hyur: If it's not listed in /etc/modules then blacklist it in hotplug and disable it in /etc/discover.conf |
| 02:56.31 | dondelelcaro | jorgp_: uh, the configure scripts are designed to work even in a chroot env. |
| 02:56.38 | jetscreamer | hyur, that error is common with hotplug and discover (hardware detection, they load modules...) |
| 02:56.44 | jetscreamer | on boot... |
| 02:56.45 | dondelelcaro | jorgp_: now, if you don't have a proper chroot, that's something else. |
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| 02:57.35 | jetscreamer | hyur, make sure what exactly is spewing forth those errors, then do what gravity said |
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| 02:57.48 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.49 | toresbe | jetscreamer: Fall down? :D |
| 02:58.04 | hyur | ah thanks guys |
| 02:58.06 | jetscreamer | or drop an apple on somebody's head |
| 02:58.38 | profounded | any one ever hear of a mouse moving but buttons not working in XFree86?? |
| 02:59.02 | jetscreamer | what kind of mouse |
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| 02:59.06 | jetscreamer | type |
| 02:59.12 | profounded | both PS/2 and USB |
| 02:59.13 | jorgp_ | dondelelcaro: yeah, could be |
| 02:59.21 | profounded | jetscreamer: ive tried too mice now |
| 02:59.25 | profounded | two* |
| 02:59.50 | profounded | and it works fine in knoppix so im lost |
| 02:59.53 | Mike_ | how do you extract a rpm |
| 03:00.02 | jorgp_ | dondelelcaro: the package is kernel-image and it wont install because mkinitrd can not determine root device |
| 03:00.02 | asg | Mike_: with /usr/bin/rpm |
| 03:00.13 | jetscreamer | try modprobe mousedev && modprobe psmouse then restart the x-server is all i can suggest profounded (with the ps2 mouse) |
| 03:00.20 | dondelelcaro | jorgp_: wait, why are you installing a kernel-image in a chroot? |
| 03:00.34 | jetscreamer | Mike_, no |
| 03:00.38 | asg | Mike_: or convert it to a deb with alien and use 'dpkg -x <newlyconverteddeb.deb>' |
| 03:00.39 | jetscreamer | alien |
| 03:00.46 | jetscreamer | Mike_, yeah |
| 03:00.50 | jorgp_ | dondelelcaro: it was done by mistake in a script |
| 03:00.53 | hyur | so where did this /etc/modules file come from? the default installation? |
| 03:01.13 | jetscreamer | hyur, that file loads modules that are in it... |
| 03:01.23 | dondelelcaro | jorgp_: so just change the configure script to be #!/bin/sh; exit 0; and get on with life... |
| 03:01.29 | jetscreamer | hyur, discover and hotplug detect and load |
| 03:01.42 | profounded | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 03:01.45 | hyur | yeah but they are old, built in now not modules |
| 03:01.51 | jetscreamer | profounded, it worked? |
| 03:02.10 | jetscreamer | if so add those to /etc/modules |
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| 03:03.12 | jetscreamer | and if that did work, profounded, i sense a disturbance in the force, called d-i |
| 03:03.38 | Lazydog | q? how do you restart a servcie in debain? on rh it was with service sshd restart for example |
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| 03:03.53 | asg | Lazydog: /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
| 03:03.55 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.07 | jetscreamer | might be ssh but i think it's sshd |
| 03:04.10 | profounded | jetscreamer: im trying to find out as much as possible.. im running knoppix right now till i reset and try to figure this out |
| 03:04.16 | asg | Lazydog: invoke-rc.d <service> <action> also works |
| 03:04.22 | asg | jetscreamer: it's ssh in debian |
| 03:04.26 | Lazydog | jethro: don't see any sshd in init.d |
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| 03:04.48 | jetscreamer | profounded, was that a d-i install? |
| 03:05.03 | jorgp_ | dondelelcaro: where do I find the configure script? |
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| 03:05.08 | profounded | jetscreamer: what is a d-i install? |
| 03:05.16 | asg | Lazydog: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 03:05.18 | jetscreamer | Lazydog, try ssh then eh |
| 03:05.28 | douglas | Has anyone set up an nvidia geforce on debian before, and if so can you point me to a good walkthrough? |
| 03:05.29 | jetscreamer | profounded, the new sarge beta installer |
| 03:05.31 | ati | for install knoppix 3.6 in hdd |
| 03:05.38 | asg | douglas: /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
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| 03:05.48 | Lazydog | ok thnx |
| 03:05.49 | jetscreamer | douglas, it's called the README |
| 03:05.51 | profounded | jetscreamer: it might be, i installed off of net install, i think it uses the sarge |
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| 03:06.25 | douglas | wow... |
| 03:06.30 | profounded | jetscreamer: you think i should try woody? |
| 03:06.35 | jetscreamer | profounded, did the mouse work the first boot or two? |
| 03:06.36 | jetscreamer | no |
| 03:06.39 | douglas | jetscreamer , how nice of you. |
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| 03:06.49 | ati | how can i intall knopix -3.6 on my hdd |
| 03:06.50 | profounded | jetscreamer: nope never |
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| 03:06.55 | Profeta | have anyone installed gift by apt-get ? |
| 03:06.57 | asg | ati: #knoppix is your friend |
| 03:06.58 | stoned | ati, consult #knoppix |
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| 03:07.02 | profounded | jetscreamer: actually if i do apt-get install X-window-system it works |
| 03:07.03 | amathis | hmm |
| 03:07.05 | jetscreamer | douglas, yes it was, since i had to figure it out by myself |
| 03:07.07 | amathis | small problem. |
| 03:07.16 | amathis | I can get X just fine once I delete the X0-lock |
| 03:07.26 | stoned | ati, off the top of my head knoppix-hdinstall is the command |
| 03:07.26 | jetscreamer | profounded, what? |
| 03:07.26 | douglas | jetscreamer , so then why are you here helping people if you don't want to help anyone? |
| 03:07.27 | amathis | but... for some reason on a fresh boot up it cannot do it |
| 03:07.31 | amathis | so I have to delete files then startx |
| 03:07.33 | stoned | i think |
| 03:07.35 | toresbe | night |
| 03:07.52 | profounded | jetscreamer: i have to install the older 4.0.3 xfree, i cant use the newest 4.3 version (which works fine) |
| 03:07.52 | jetscreamer | douglas, time to reasses |
| 03:07.59 | asg | amathis: is this after a reboot or after you program crashed X and you rebooted? |
| 03:08.17 | amathis | asg: heh, I have rebooted several times |
| 03:08.31 | amathis | asg: I did a fresh boot.. it couldn't do it, so I got to a terminal and I deleted the lock file |
| 03:08.33 | amathis | and started x |
| 03:08.34 | amathis | and it worked |
| 03:08.36 | calmar | well, I think it's a good solution to use .deb for most things, and installing by source to /usr/local, isn' it? Building a .deb of not that good know packet is lot of work it seems. |
| 03:08.48 | jetscreamer | profounded, this is new information... why won't it work? |
| 03:08.53 | amathis | asg: but, when I reboot, it gives same error |
| 03:08.58 | amathis | and I have to do same thing to get X |
| 03:09.04 | asg | amathis: that's odd |
| 03:09.14 | amathis | asg: it is like permissions is wrong |
| 03:09.17 | amathis | and it cannot edit files |
| 03:09.19 | amathis | and delete them |
| 03:09.21 | amathis | when X is done |
| 03:09.48 | asg | amathis: hmmm, something ubuntu is doing then (or gdm perhaps) |
| 03:09.58 | amathis | asg: maybe |
| 03:10.05 | profounded | jetscreamer: XFree86 loads and the mouse moves if i set the protocol to "PS/2" and device to "/dev/psaux" but i cant use the mouse buttons!? they jsut dont work |
| 03:10.12 | asg | amathis: I've seen that happen on X crashes but never on a clean shutdown |
| 03:10.20 | gravity | amathis: Really? You're the first to say that |
| 03:10.24 | gravity | That I've heard anyway |
| 03:10.28 | profounded | jetscreamer: i have to use 4.0.3 because the only only driver for my video card is for that version |
| 03:10.42 | amathis | gravity: I like ubuntu actually. But sometimes... |
| 03:10.44 | amathis | I want to kill it |
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| 03:10.51 | jetscreamer | what vid card/chipset, profounded |
| 03:10.56 | amathis | debian and ubuntu are basically the same thing |
| 03:10.59 | amathis | when I use it. |
| 03:11.00 | gravity | hehe |
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| 03:12.04 | jetscreamer | oh and profounded , try the imPS2 |
| 03:12.27 | profounded | jetscreamer: imPS2 as the protocol? |
| 03:12.39 | jetscreamer | profounded, i'm assuming wheel mouse |
| 03:12.43 | asg | profounded: ImPS/2 |
| 03:12.53 | profounded | ahhh.... yea it is a wheel mouse |
| 03:13.01 | profounded | that wasnt on the xf86config list :-x |
| 03:13.06 | jetscreamer | could help, might not |
| 03:13.06 | amathis | asg: anyway, thank you SO much.. I have a project that has to be complete by tonight. |
| 03:13.17 | amathis | asg: and I could not wait for a reinstall or something |
| 03:13.18 | profounded | jetscreamer: i wonder if 4.0.3 supports it? |
| 03:13.18 | asg | amathis: you're welcome, good luck with your project |
| 03:13.38 | jetscreamer | profounded, what vid card? i find it hard to believe an older version supports it yet a newer does not |
| 03:14.06 | jetscreamer | course if you tell me this is so i don't have much choice but to believe. |
| 03:16.26 | profounded | jetscreamer: Savage IX 8mb video card with tv out.. s3 lists it as driver 298 and has released a driver for 4.0.3 and then stopped supporting it.. the thing is that with the default savgage_drv.o, i cant change to any higher resolutions in anything... |
| 03:18.26 | jorgp_ | dondelelcaro: I figured it out |
| 03:18.53 | jetscreamer | it's not a thnkpad is it |
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| 03:19.14 | stoned | is there a reason why a stable and an unstable package for falconseye exist, but not one for testing? |
| 03:19.24 | jetscreamer | sure |
| 03:19.31 | jetscreamer | i can even think of it |
| 03:19.37 | jetscreamer | .can you? |
| 03:19.41 | stoned | do tell |
| 03:19.53 | jetscreamer | is that a no you can not? |
| 03:19.58 | stoned | are you talking to me |
| 03:20.16 | jetscreamer | who else do you think i would be saying such things to |
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| 03:20.35 | stoned | i dunno you were talking about a think pad i thought maybe you |
| 03:20.36 | stoned | nevermind |
| 03:20.51 | stoned | so anyway, whats a reason |
| 03:20.53 | jetscreamer | no the stuff after thinpad is before you typed anything |
| 03:20.57 | derekboy | Is there a better remote desktop for debian or gnome, I tried putty but you can't view x with it |
| 03:21.00 | profounded | jetscreamer: no its not athinkpad |
| 03:21.03 | stoned | jetscreamer, not here dude |
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| 03:21.14 | hyur | during init, right after the PIIX4 stuff, i get an error "keyboard: Timeout - AT keyboard not present?(ed)". it's a usb keyboard and works fine, why is it doing this? |
| 03:21.20 | jorgp_ | is there a way to get a list of files that are getting ready to be uploaded to sarge? |
| 03:21.24 | jetscreamer | falconseye was stable, got upgraded/borked, taken out of sarge for stability.... |
| 03:21.26 | stoned | it is the lag i tell ya |
| 03:21.27 | doktah | Have any of you attempted to do a TFTP install of debian on an ARM system before? |
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| 03:22.33 | jetscreamer | profounded, this 'could' help, a read won't hurt... http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/walter/geek/linux-t22.html |
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| 03:23.06 | jetscreamer | "They broke something in XFree86 4.3, and the savage driver shipped with it doesn't really work anymore. There are two easy solutions to this problem" |
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| 03:24.13 | sussudio | jetscreamer: 1) matrox 2) ati |
| 03:24.26 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 03:24.38 | sussudio | jetscreamer: chuck the s3 crap and buy a better card? |
| 03:25.03 | jetscreamer | sussudio, i'd have to go get my s3 out of the attic or wherever it is and install it forst then |
| 03:25.09 | sussudio | jetscreamer: if i sound bitter, it's because i've had the misfortune to try a savage. |
| 03:25.14 | jetscreamer | s/forst/first/ |
| 03:25.42 | jetscreamer | sussudio, was trying to help profounded with his savage |
| 03:26.01 | initech | there are savages everywhere |
| 03:26.06 | initech | damnit |
| 03:26.29 | jetscreamer | and cannibals, even though it's not your actual flesh they eat, just your soul |
| 03:26.30 | MegaManX | Hi guys - I'm having an error where SquirrelMail is telling me that the IMAP server is reporting plain text logins are disabled. It used to work fine, this is just a recent problem. I'm not super familiar with this package, I actually had a friend install it, but that friend is not in town, and I find myself peering at something a little past what I understand. |
| 03:26.36 | stew | !s3 |
| 03:26.36 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm> |
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| 03:27.38 | MegaManX | where would I look to make sure that CRAM-MD5 or DIGEST-MD5 are enabled or working? |
| 03:27.53 | jorgp_ | ls |
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| 03:28.19 | gravity | Is it just me or do we get a disproportionate number of squirrelmail questions in here? |
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| 03:28.53 | MegaManX | Well, I'm not sure if it's a squirrelmail issue or a debian issue, perse. |
| 03:28.55 | initech | MegaManX: were you using plain text logins before? |
| 03:29.02 | stew | MegaManX: what imap server are you using? |
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| 03:29.27 | jetscreamer | !savage |
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| 03:29.34 | MegaManX | stew: I want to say uwimapd - does that sound right, and initech, i'm not sure, to be totally honest. |
| 03:29.43 | stew | MegaManX: is it authing against pam? |
| 03:29.52 | stew | MegaManX: like /etc/password / shadow? |
| 03:30.10 | MegaManX | Well, I can't find a conf file for the uwhttpd. |
| 03:30.21 | stew | httpd? |
| 03:30.28 | MegaManX | imapd. sorry. |
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| 03:30.39 | stew | are these system users or virtual users? |
| 03:30.44 | MegaManX | system users. |
| 03:30.46 | jetscreamer | dpkg, savage is <reply> http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html might help |
| 03:30.46 | dpkg | ...but savage is already something else... |
| 03:31.00 | jetscreamer | !savage |
| 03:31.11 | stew | then cram-md5 wont work, since cram-md5 requires plaintext passwords on the server |
| 03:31.16 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 03:31.43 | jetscreamer | !literal savage |
| 03:31.43 | dpkg | savage is <reply> see <http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html> |
| 03:31.53 | Austin89 | Is their a way to set up 2 OS's on one computer? |
| 03:32.00 | stew | Austin89: yes |
| 03:32.05 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 03:32.07 | Austin89 | Partition? |
| 03:32.13 | sussudio | badgers? |
| 03:32.17 | MegaManX | alright. I can't seem to find a conf file for the imapd either. I was thinking of running a dpkg-reconfigure. do you think that may be a good place to start? |
| 03:32.17 | stew | musroom |
| 03:32.20 | stew | with an h |
| 03:32.20 | stoned | bobs |
| 03:32.23 | profounded | yea ive been using those drivers from that site with no success dpkg |
| 03:32.25 | stoned | awe crap |
| 03:32.28 | jetscreamer | dpkg, no savage is <reply> http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html |
| 03:32.28 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 03:32.29 | prock | Austin89: google for dual boot |
| 03:32.36 | sussudio | !savage s3 |
| 03:32.41 | Austin89 | Thank you much Prock |
| 03:32.43 | jetscreamer | !savage |
| 03:32.43 | dpkg | http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html |
| 03:32.43 | stew | MegaManX: netstat -plunt and see what process is attached to 143 |
| 03:32.58 | jetscreamer | then you must have a castlerock maybe... |
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| 03:34.21 | theron | heh |
| 03:34.52 | initech | it pays to use only matrox or ati cards ... |
| 03:35.02 | MegaManX | stew: it says inetd |
| 03:35.09 | Austin89 | Prock... I am kind of a newb at this. Any suggestions? |
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| 03:35.39 | derekboy | how do i get imap off TCP6 |
| 03:36.04 | MegaManX | this is the exact line, stew: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:143 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 675/inetd |
| 03:36.15 | stew | MegaManX: then look at /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 03:36.35 | setuid | Looks like all of the http.us.debian.org mirrors just went down |
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| 03:36.59 | setuid | All of them are returning 404's now |
| 03:37.06 | sussudio | !404 |
| 03:37.06 | dpkg | 404 is, like, not found |
| 03:37.22 | CipherSwarm | hmm. this machine would make a decent server, except for the 2 gig drive part. |
| 03:37.26 | setuid | Yes, _that_ 404 |
| 03:37.30 | initech | derekboy: it usually isn't disabled on an application basis ... unload the ipv6 module for starters, then turn ipv6 off in /etc/modules.conf |
| 03:37.32 | MegaManX | alright, stew, i'm looking at that conf file. I'm bringing up the man page, but i'm not entirely sure what i'm looking for. |
| 03:37.53 | setuid | bleck |
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| 03:37.56 | stew | MegaManX: it will tell you what command its running when an imap request comes in |
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| 03:38.37 | MegaManX | k, there's two lines, one called imap2 and imaps. |
| 03:39.04 | MegaManX | both seem to run the same command /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/imapd |
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| 03:39.47 | frozenet | hey |
| 03:39.59 | frozenet | what package is the ip util located in? |
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| 03:40.42 | derekboy | thank initech |
| 03:40.44 | gravity | frozenet: Check packages.debian.org |
| 03:40.45 | derekboy | thanks* |
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| 03:42.04 | muhoo | qemu vs bochs. which is more stable/featureful/supported? |
| 03:42.05 | frozenet | it finds too much stuff |
| 03:42.08 | frozenet | it finds me bzip |
| 03:42.10 | frozenet | zip |
| 03:42.17 | frozenet | pipe |
| 03:42.22 | frozenet | every weird thing... |
| 03:42.38 | muhoo | for running the dreaded windoze app for testing purposes (IE5.5, IE6, etc) |
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| 03:43.26 | arkaine | How do i make a tarball of every file and folder in for example /home/user/tarme/ |
| 03:43.29 | arkaine | ? :) |
| 03:43.40 | frozenet | you wanna compress? |
| 03:43.54 | arkaine | yes, into one file |
| 03:43.56 | arkaine | .tar |
| 03:44.12 | frozenet | tar cvf backup.tar /home/user/tarme |
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| 03:44.19 | arkaine | sweet, thank you :) |
| 03:44.20 | United | Is there a way to use sudo for root but not giving the password? I am trying to make a perl script to chown a file to a special user. The thing is I dont want to have to put the root password in the perl script. Anyway around this? |
| 03:45.07 | The_Vulture | United: you could setuid the script.. not necessarily the nicest thing to do |
| 03:45.07 | frozenet | i dunno for debian |
| 03:45.09 | mwilson | United: You mean other than actually learning what sudo is and what it does? No, I'm afraid not. |
| 03:45.13 | frozenet | but for other distros |
| 03:45.14 | The_Vulture | but why would you want such a thing? |
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| 03:45.29 | frozenet | you can edit sudo.conf in /etc to allow certain people to sudo without passwords |
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| 03:45.39 | United | awwwwww! |
| 03:45.40 | United | thank you |
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| 03:45.48 | frozenet | now can someone please help ME! |
| 03:45.50 | mwilson | United: As long as you're apparently not willing to even learn what sudo IS, you're not going to be able to use it. |
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| 03:46.00 | frozenet | what package is the ip util located in? |
| 03:46.11 | The_Vulture | frozenet: which "ip util"? you mean ifconfig? |
| 03:46.16 | United | mwilson I have no clue what sudo is yet, but i want to see/make sure it can do what i need it to do, that is why i am asking all of you! |
| 03:46.19 | gravity | frozenet: iproute |
| 03:46.28 | stew | iproute |
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| 03:46.45 | gravity | frozenet: In the future, if you're on a Debian system with the app, you can use dpkg -S to find it "dpkg -S /sbin/ip" in this case |
| 03:46.47 | mwilson | United: Then perhaps you should actually bother looking at its documentation. |
| 03:47.12 | frozenet | not ifconfig... |
| 03:47.12 | frozenet | ip |
| 03:47.19 | stew | thats what apt-file search is for :) |
| 03:47.36 | frozenet | gravity, i'm sorry... i never used it on a Debian system...been doing everything on gentoo |
| 03:47.40 | United | mwilson thank you! |
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| 03:47.54 | gravity | frozenet: That's fine, I'm just trying to teach you something useful :-) |
| 03:47.58 | frozenet | thanks though |
| 03:48.01 | frozenet | (if i can remember it!) |
| 03:48.02 | gravity | frozenet: It's a good question |
| 03:48.14 | inthought | Is there a cool app for displaying the weather in the tray for deb? Recommendations? |
| 03:48.17 | gravity | frozenet: Reading the dpkg and apt-cache manpages is very worthwhile |
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| 03:48.43 | frozenet | yeah it is... |
| 03:48.43 | gravity | inthought: There's a docapp (wmweather) and one for the gnome doc in the standard gnome applets |
| 03:48.53 | frozenet | but i'm not using debian much nowadays.. |
| 03:48.58 | frozenet | i read them in the past |
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| 03:49.03 | frozenet | but forgot all the commands |
| 03:49.20 | inthought | gravity: anything kde specific, off the top of your head? |
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| 03:49.20 | mwilson | inthought: "in the tray"? What tray? |
| 03:49.32 | mwilson | Ah, finally he says it's for KDE. |
| 03:49.33 | pipeline | Is there an official, kosher way to make root-on-LVM? |
| 03:49.53 | findme | how do i trace a ip ? |
| 03:49.54 | gravity | inthought: I don't know, I haven't used KDE in a while. Sorry. |
| 03:50.02 | gravity | findme: iproute |
| 03:50.06 | inthought | mwilson: please forgive me... I'm a linux convert of about a week... too much windows... |
| 03:50.11 | gravity | findme: Er... sorry, traceroute |
| 03:50.13 | inthought | gravity: thank you! |
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| 03:50.23 | findme | gratuit, ok thanks |
| 03:50.35 | findme | is there something like nslookup ? |
| 03:50.47 | glick | excuse me if i want to install the latest kde and not gnome when i install debian sarge how would i go about doint that |
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| 03:51.27 | scarynetworkguy | findme: dns-utils |
| 03:51.47 | findme | scarynetworkguy, thanks budz |
| 03:51.54 | spikeb | apt-get install kde |
| 03:51.57 | spikeb | instead of apt-get install gnome |
| 03:52.23 | glick | spikeb, yeah but that only gets minimum kde and not even the latest one |
| 03:52.24 | findme | where is dns-utils ? |
| 03:52.28 | glick | like kde 3.0 |
| 03:53.17 | spikeb | hmm |
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| 03:53.22 | scarynetworkguy | !dns-utils |
| 03:53.37 | spikeb | glick: that should get you kde 3.2, and all of the default apps |
| 03:53.48 | glick | also, why does it install both kde and gnome for desktop install, cant i make it just get kde |
| 03:54.00 | spikeb | about the desktop install, i don't know. |
| 03:54.05 | inthought | fyi, I'm blind... kweather is exactly what I was looking for, and already on my system. |
| 03:54.15 | spikeb | heh inthought |
| 03:54.49 | findme | scarynetworkguy, it is dnsutils thanks though |
| 03:54.59 | scarynetworkguy | findme: That's right. |
| 03:55.55 | thoreauputic | glick: that's tasksel - you don't have to run tasksel, you can just apt-get whatever you want - but it requires that you know which bits you need ;) |
| 03:56.07 | glick | hmm |
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| 03:57.29 | thoreauputic | glick: if you don't want gnome, apt-get remove gnome should do it |
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| 03:58.59 | glick | thoreauputic, so i should just skip tasksel and just do apt-get install kde |
| 03:59.00 | glick | ? |
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| 03:59.29 | thoreauputic | glick: actually apt-get remove gnome won't do it - it's a metapackage |
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| 03:59.41 | kombi | how do you monitor disk I/O from cmd line? |
| 04:00.18 | glick | also id like open office 1.1.3 |
| 04:00.28 | thoreauputic | glick: if you skip tasksel you'll need to install x-window-system , gdm etc |
| 04:00.31 | tchino | i want to install kde3.3.1 on sarge. i found in google that i can to lines: "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib" and "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib" in sources.list. With apt-get -t unstable install kde, you can update on kde 3.3.1. Is that advisable or absolutly to avoid??? |
| 04:00.32 | glick | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade doesnt get these packages |
| 04:00.46 | thoreauputic | glick: sorry kdm |
| 04:01.06 | Narg | Can anyone help me with the gnome encrypt funcion? Being stubbern |
| 04:01.40 | glick | also can anyone recommend me with a fast debian install mirror? |
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| 04:02.00 | stoned | glick, thats a relative matter |
| 04:02.06 | stoned | glick, use apt-spy |
| 04:02.13 | tchino | kde 3.3.1 vor debian sarge?! |
| 04:02.20 | thoreauputic | or netselect-apt |
| 04:02.32 | felipe | what package of kernel 2.6.9 should I install on my k6-II 300? |
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| 04:04.18 | glick | wireless mice kick ass |
| 04:04.28 | oksanen | is it pretty easy to mix & match stable and unstable packages? |
| 04:04.45 | pipeline | No, it's dangerous and difficult. |
| 04:04.45 | thoreauputic | oksanen: NO! |
| 04:04.53 | Narg | dont do it |
| 04:04.53 | pipeline | oksanen: Use backports.org if you must, but even that is not always pleasant. |
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| 04:05.22 | nvz | glick: I havent done much troubleshooting yet, but I think my Wireless Hid Input hub is cauing problems when I play bzflag, possible interference |
| 04:05.25 | oksanen | thx |
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| 04:05.31 | derek | hi |
| 04:05.39 | nvz | glick: first problem I ever had with wireless |
| 04:05.41 | stoned | nvz, what is bzflag |
| 04:05.52 | tchino | hello, somebody read my question? |
| 04:05.53 | dondelelcaro | !bzflag |
| 04:05.53 | dpkg | it has been said that bzflag is http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/ an opensource opengl multiplayer multiplatform 3D tank battle game, great for LUG fests, or #BZFlag, or apt-get install bzflag |
| 04:05.55 | nvz | stoned: its a game. |
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| 04:06.17 | glick | nvz, i have wireless networking going on too |
| 04:06.17 | derek | Im getting 'Relay not permitted' when trying to send an email from another user, how would i fix this? |
| 04:06.26 | stoned | ahh, wow |
| 04:06.31 | stoned | im gonna go get it |
| 04:06.47 | nvz | glick: cool, I might start switching some boxes here over to wireless soon |
| 04:06.57 | spikeb | bzflag rules |
| 04:07.05 | nvz | stoned: yeah come join the fun ;) |
| 04:07.11 | glick | for desktop machines wireless is nice |
| 04:07.18 | glick | i mean for laptop machines |
| 04:07.18 | nvz | stoned: got 3d accell setup? |
| 04:07.20 | spikeb | it's especially fun when one is stoned heh |
| 04:07.21 | loboblue | helo |
| 04:07.26 | glick | for desktops i prefer a wired connection |
| 04:07.26 | loboblue | hello |
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| 04:07.56 | nvz | now that I learned I could cycle the time of day and turn or textures, dithering, lighting, smoothing..etc I like that game alot more :P |
| 04:08.02 | glick | i think kde is much more polished then gnome |
| 04:08.07 | runar | To access my slave harddisk, i need to mknod /dev/hdb b 64 0 . It's not working. Is the correct minor/mayor number? |
| 04:08.14 | glick | im using gnome right now |
| 04:08.16 | glick | it bugs me |
| 04:08.21 | glick | no pun intended |
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| 04:08.41 | thoreauputic | !start a DE war |
| 04:08.46 | spikeb | hmm |
| 04:08.51 | spikeb | i like DE wars, because i like both DEs |
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| 04:08.56 | spikeb | so i get twice the flaming fun! |
| 04:08.58 | glick | im not starting a DE war |
| 04:09.08 | glick | if yu think im a sissy man cause i like KDE go ahead |
| 04:09.16 | thoreauputic | !fix glick |
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| 04:09.25 | spikeb | heh |
| 04:09.27 | sword- | question - I had to kill my xclient to fix something, i startx, and it goes to Gnome, when I want fluxbox as my main window manager.how can I fix that |
| 04:09.28 | thoreauputic | :) |
| 04:09.58 | SlimeyPete | sword-: run gdm instead of startx? |
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| 04:10.15 | sword- | no i ran startx |
| 04:10.24 | sword- | and it just automatically went to gnome |
| 04:10.28 | SlimeyPete | yeah, I'm saying you should run gdm |
| 04:10.36 | SlimeyPete | or kdm or whatever |
| 04:10.37 | sword- | ohh |
| 04:10.39 | thoreauputic | sword-: edit your ~/.xsession |
| 04:10.41 | sanxiyn | SlimeyPete: Why? |
| 04:10.42 | SlimeyPete | then you can select a different window manager |
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| 04:10.50 | sword- | ok thanks |
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| 04:10.55 | SlimeyPete | yeah, or hard-code it in your xsession |
| 04:10.58 | sanxiyn | sword-: You can use selectwm also. |
| 04:11.09 | sanxiyn | sword-: Or do fancy shell scripting in xsession. |
| 04:11.19 | takatumi | '.Xsession' |
| 04:11.33 | glick | i love my little dell 8200 |
| 04:11.38 | thoreauputic | takatumi: no, lower case x |
| 04:11.40 | glick | it plugs and chugs and never complains |
| 04:11.52 | derek | anyone? |
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| 04:12.06 | sanxiyn | thoreauputic: Both work, AFAIK. |
| 04:12.14 | takatumi | thoreauputic: I have a .X no .x |
| 04:12.19 | atilla | ý installed knoppix 3.6 but i can not connect to internet. how can i do |
| 04:12.24 | thoreauputic | really? how un - *nixish ! :) |
| 04:12.31 | takatumi | maybe both work |
| 04:12.43 | nvz | atilla: /j #knoppix |
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| 04:13.25 | sanxiyn | thoreauputic: Hm, manpage is Xsession(5), and it does mention X in uppercase... |
| 04:13.37 | glick | anyone try kde 3.3 |
| 04:13.53 | thoreauputic | sanxiyn: OK - I believe you - mine is lower case apparently :) |
| 04:13.56 | MegaManX | stew: still there? |
| 04:13.59 | takatumi | what's a good setup for a home network with a P3 650 and a laptop? |
| 04:14.20 | sanxiyn | !tell glick about anyone |
| 04:14.20 | spikeb | a cable modem, and a router |
| 04:14.21 | spikeb | heh |
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| 04:14.51 | stoned | yesterday someone told me that I should not get anything less than a 500W power supply, and when I looked at the in my machine it was 260W |
| 04:14.56 | stoned | whats up with that |
| 04:14.56 | takatumi | forgot to add, all I have is dial-up for a few months |
| 04:15.03 | glick | anyone in here try kde, is it fairly stable/pretty? |
| 04:15.04 | spikeb | heh |
| 04:15.09 | nvz | thoreauputic: /etc/X11/Xsession (76,77) "USERXSESSION=$HOME/.xsession", "ALTUSERXSESSION=$HOME/.Xsession" |
| 04:15.14 | spikeb | glick: i've used 3.2. yes and yes. |
| 04:15.24 | sanxiyn | nvz: Heh, so it's both. |
| 04:15.25 | glick | spikeb, what about 3.3 |
| 04:15.32 | spikeb | glick: i haven't used it on debian |
| 04:15.33 | Leenux | #flood |
| 04:15.34 | thoreauputic | nvz: interesting, thanks |
| 04:15.36 | mwilson | stoned: What, other than nothing, does the one have to do with the other? |
| 04:15.37 | Arnox | stoned: that's pure crap.....many people only need maybe even 300 watts |
| 04:15.41 | spikeb | glick: or anything else, yet |
| 04:15.46 | digitize | kde had a nice interface |
| 04:15.47 | mwilson | Arnox: Oh? |
| 04:15.48 | digitize | but it's a resource hog |
| 04:15.53 | sanxiyn | digitize: Huh? |
| 04:15.54 | nvz | heh |
| 04:15.55 | digitize | i use xfce myself |
| 04:15.55 | stoned | I swear by the gnome-core package |
| 04:16.01 | stoned | mwilson, oh I see |
| 04:16.11 | digitize | nice interface, not a resource hog |
| 04:16.11 | sanxiyn | digitize: Eh, perhaps "hog" compared to xfce. |
| 04:16.17 | stoned | I dunno someone here said so, I was just wondering |
| 04:16.19 | nvz | thoreauputic: np, my gears are moving, been sitting here reading my 50lb Linux manual.. |
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| 04:16.28 | spikeb | it's a hog compared to anything that's not gnome or kde |
| 04:16.28 | digitize | clean look also |
| 04:16.28 | spikeb | heh |
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| 04:16.38 | digitize | yes |
| 04:16.45 | thoreauputic | nvz: heh - long memory :) |
| 04:16.47 | oko | irc oko irc.debian.org |
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| 04:16.50 | digitize | iirc gnome is more of a hog |
| 04:16.52 | digitize | i forget though |
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| 04:17.27 | mwilson | KDE is more of a machine hog than Gnome is, Gnome is more of a machine hog than just about anything else. |
| 04:17.39 | spikeb | i wouldnt know - they both run fine on my machine so i haven't bothered seeing how much of my resources are tied down |
| 04:18.08 | sanxiyn | That way KDE apps launche faster. |
| 04:18.10 | cef | KDE and Gnone hog resources in different ways. |
| 04:18.12 | spikeb | Sandman: good idea |
| 04:18.16 | spikeb | er |
| 04:18.16 | digitize | spikeb: well they ran fine i suppose |
| 04:18.22 | spikeb | sanxiyn: good idea |
| 04:18.25 | lenomade | I've apt-got xserver-xfree86 and xfce4. What do I need now? |
| 04:18.26 | digitize | i have an amd xp 3000+ with 512mb ddr400 pc3200 ram |
| 04:18.29 | nvz | thoreauputic: human memory is alot like ram.. as long as there is that steady current, it can retain any data.. know how some people have to repeat numbers to themself to remember them for awhile? |
| 04:18.32 | spikeb | heh |
| 04:18.37 | spikeb | digitize: they better run fine on that |
| 04:18.42 | mwilson | sanxiyn: Yes, but which KDE apps are worth running? I've yet to see one. |
| 04:18.42 | digitize | of course they do |
| 04:18.44 | lenomade | holy shit xchat-text is awful! |
| 04:18.46 | digitize | i'd just rather xfce |
| 04:18.48 | spikeb | mwilson: amarok |
| 04:18.52 | spikeb | mwilson: and k3b |
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| 04:19.04 | spikeb | or juk, which is better than rhythmbox |
| 04:19.05 | spikeb | heh |
| 04:19.09 | mwilson | K3B is sh*t... I don't know what amarok is. |
| 04:19.23 | sanxiyn | mwilson: music player |
| 04:19.31 | lenomade | anyway, what package do I need now to mabe able to startx? |
| 04:19.36 | mwilson | sanxiyn: Ah, so it's also sh*t. |
| 04:19.38 | lenomade | arg, can't type.. |
| 04:19.41 | cef | spikeb: btw: one of the nice things about the 520W PSU in the machine sitting behind me is that the fan is really quiet. 23.0 dBA |
| 04:19.56 | spikeb | cef: heh - the fan in my machine is LOUD |
| 04:20.01 | spikeb | sounds like a fricken airplane |
| 04:20.02 | mwilson | lenomade: The startx shell script is part of the xbase-clients package. |
| 04:20.20 | lenomade | thank you |
| 04:20.31 | mwilson | lenomade: Also having things like an X server, the X libraries, etc, would probably be a good idea. |
| 04:20.35 | spikeb | heh |
| 04:20.35 | lenomade | now I shall quitit this awful xchat-text client... yarg |
| 04:20.37 | spikeb | generally |
| 04:20.47 | nvz | thoreauputic: doesnt happen with me.. I have very good memory management.. I dont retain anything thats not significant.. heh you will need to make sure you compile in preemptive multitasking support for this kind of memory manament, or everytime you hear some bullshit you will have a memory leak |
| 04:20.51 | mwilson | lenomade: Uh, xchat is crap whether you run it in console or in X. |
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| 04:20.56 | lenomade | you mean apt won't get those by default? |
| 04:21.03 | mwilson | lenomade: Of course not. |
| 04:21.19 | lenomade | I said I got xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:21.40 | mwilson | lenomade: Is there some reason you feel the need to install random X package until it works? |
| 04:21.47 | lenomade | no, I mean xchat is crap because your messages overwrite the text I'm writing |
| 04:22.00 | mwilson | lenomade: tasksel and the x-window-system and x-window-system-core metapackages exist for a reason. |
| 04:22.14 | Leenux | question:which partition must be format when install debian,/ or /boot? |
| 04:22.26 | spikeb | both |
| 04:22.27 | lenomade | mwilson: are you sure? |
| 04:22.28 | sanxiyn | lenomade: Install X metapackage. Why install it piece by piece? |
| 04:22.29 | mwilson | lenomade: But if you think it's more entertaining to install random packages... |
| 04:22.46 | lenomade | what's the x metapackage? |
| 04:22.52 | sanxiyn | lenomade: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 04:23.01 | mwilson | lenomade: Apparently you can't read either, as I just told you. |
| 04:23.05 | spikeb | also, x-window-system-core |
| 04:23.07 | sanxiyn | (Or, choose "X environment" or similar when you install.) |
| 04:23.09 | mwilson | nvz: I've created a monster! |
| 04:23.19 | lenomade | I'd like to use xI know I can't read this awful xchat... fuck.. I'm getting a betetr client |
| 04:23.26 | Leenux | question:which partition must be format when install debian,/ or /boot? |
| 04:23.29 | sanxiyn | lenomade: ... |
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| 04:23.34 | Leenux | question:which partition must be formatted when install debian,/ or /boot? |
| 04:23.35 | mwilson | lenomade: Just about anything is better than xchat. |
| 04:23.41 | sanxiyn | !tell Leenux about repeat |
| 04:23.41 | spikeb | Leenux: both |
| 04:23.41 | lenomade | thanks. brb |
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| 04:23.51 | thoreauputic | lenomade: for a text client, apt-get install irssi-text |
| 04:24.08 | DarknessX | where can I find information on how to upgrade my kernel on testing? I've done it before, but I'm not entirely sure as to the process and I'd like a mini-howto, or something of the sort |
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| 04:24.18 | Leenux | spikeb, and /var ? |
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| 04:24.32 | sanxiyn | DarknessX: apt-get upgrade, and reboot. |
| 04:24.36 | spikeb | Leenux: if this is a new install, yes |
| 04:24.37 | spikeb | brb |
| 04:25.06 | Leenux | spikeb, it's a reinstall, |
| 04:25.13 | DarknessX | sanxiyn: I remember it being slightly more involved than that... there were a few packages to get in addition to the kernel |
| 04:25.29 | sanxiyn | DarknessX: Ah, 2.4 to 2.6 upgrade? |
| 04:25.39 | DarknessX | sanxiyn: I was thinking so, but it isn't necessary. |
| 04:26.04 | spikeb | well |
| 04:26.04 | spikeb | hmm |
| 04:26.07 | Narg | So what shells do peaple use here? |
| 04:26.08 | spikeb | Leenux: not sure then |
| 04:26.20 | spikeb | bash |
| 04:26.31 | sanxiyn | Narg: bash |
| 04:26.32 | Leenux | spikeb, thx |
| 04:26.47 | sanxiyn | My friend uses zsh and preach its features to me. |
| 04:26.55 | spikeb | heh |
| 04:27.00 | Narg | Im experimenting atm, torn between csh and bash |
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| 04:27.09 | spikeb | one of my friends swears by ksh |
| 04:27.17 | rich_ | Narg gmrun |
| 04:27.17 | gravity | It's all about zsh |
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| 04:27.25 | LaptopAncient | tcsh |
| 04:27.32 | sanxiyn | !start shell war |
| 04:27.40 | Narg | ruch_: gmrun? |
| 04:27.47 | thoreauputic | DOS ! /me runs |
| 04:27.59 | sanxiyn | thoreauputic: cmd.exe? |
| 04:28.03 | oksanen | if I had say 3.0r1 and ran apt-get update/upgrade often would I have r3 now? |
| 04:28.08 | spikeb | yes |
| 04:28.08 | Narg | actually, nvm Im torn between tcsh and bash. Havnt tried real csh |
| 04:28.10 | spikeb | oksanen: yes |
| 04:28.27 | rich_ | Narg Yes Its nice when you want to start something in x without an xterm |
| 04:28.29 | DarknessX | sanxiyn: my main question is, if I'm on testing, which kernel should I use? 2.4 or 2.6? I run unstable on my other comp, 2.6.8, and it works great. |
| 04:28.32 | thoreauputic | sanxiyn: yechh - bash will do nicely, thank you |
| 04:29.00 | spikeb | DarknessX: if it works fine in unstable, might as well use it in testing too |
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| 04:29.08 | DarknessX | spikeb: on a laptop? |
| 04:29.15 | spikeb | hmm |
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| 04:29.25 | DarknessX | (albeit an older laptop) |
| 04:29.26 | spikeb | depends on if 2.4's laptop support is any better than absolute crap |
| 04:29.32 | sanxiyn | thoreauputic: MSH looks very slick though. bye-bye to cmd.exe! |
| 04:29.39 | sanxiyn | thoreauputic: MSH is Microsoft SHell. |
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| 04:30.19 | thoreauputic | sanxiyn: yeah, I try to avoid all MS related stuff (matter of principle) |
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| 04:31.15 | Narg | Yea, I avoid all non FOSS programs as a matter of principle too... |
| 04:32.04 | Void | Hey all; quick question. I'm writing a bash script (to process an apache log file) to calculate the data transfered I need to sum up all the values; using cut -d" " -f10 $1 access_log cuts the column but I'm not sure how to sum this. Thanks. |
| 04:32.06 | sanxiyn | thoreauputic: That doesn't mean that MSH has some seriously cool ideas, like piping objects around, SQL like selecting filters, output to XML or Excel or GUI, etc. |
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| 04:32.25 | oksanen | I am a certified MS spyware assassin, puts meat on the table until I can get a *nix job. Never touch it at home though. |
| 04:32.54 | Leenux | ? |
| 04:33.12 | thoreauputic | sanxiyn: I'm admitting to ignorance on the subject - I know some MS progs are good, I just want to be as far away from them as I humanly can be |
| 04:33.20 | MegaManX | Hey guys, i'm having a problem with my imap server. It's uw-imapd, and with some reasearch, i've found that it's no longer able to handle plaintext passwords. |
| 04:33.44 | oksanen | thoreauputic I second that |
| 04:34.17 | mage | heh |
| 04:34.45 | mage | once upon a time i was known as MegaManX |
| 04:34.52 | MegaManX | LOL. |
| 04:35.02 | MegaManX | old name, but it works. |
| 04:35.25 | sanxiyn | thoreauputic: One example. ls has many sort options. Why not use sort instead? Small tools cooperating. MSH list-directory pipes sequence of file objects, and you sort according to size, name, date, etc. |
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| 04:36.14 | thoreauputic | sanxiyn: who was it said those who don't understand UNIX are doomed to reinvent it? |
| 04:36.31 | oksanen | lol |
| 04:36.50 | sanxiyn | thoreauputic: Well, it's one step further than UNIX in that you don't do cut and awk and text processing, instead you pass object around. |
| 04:36.52 | sbk_ | I always thought the original quote referred to Lisp |
| 04:36.58 | useruser | oksanen: http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/unix/upt/ch49_07.htm |
| 04:37.03 | DarknessX | do I need to install any new things except kernel-image-blah and kernel-headers-blah? I'm going from 2.4.(something) to 2.6.8 |
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| 04:37.32 | Arnox | DarknessX: you shoudn't need to.. |
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| 04:37.46 | DarknessX | Arnox: didn't think so, but just making sure. Thanks |
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| 04:37.52 | sanxiyn | DarknessX: module-init-tools, but apt will handle that. |
| 04:37.56 | lenomade | ah, bitchx, much better |
| 04:38.03 | nvz | DarknessX: you dont need the headers unless you are going to be compiling modules |
| 04:38.15 | mage | lenomade: better than what? ;) |
| 04:38.16 | lenomade | why is it that every name I make up is marked used when I login from another machine? |
| 04:38.21 | lenomade | better than xchat-text |
| 04:38.23 | walnuck | hi i have a an 8390 niccard that needs to be set at half-duplex, i know i have to use full_duplex=0, i haven't been able to make it work on the kernel append line with grub, is there a way i can use echo somewhere in /proc/net for this? |
| 04:38.30 | Arnox | DarknessX: yah, unless you need to recompile your display drivers or something |
| 04:38.33 | stonecolddsl | Can anyone help me with a firewire drive |
| 04:38.48 | DarknessX | nvz: I need to compile stuff for the wireless card I use with this laptop |
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| 04:39.13 | swim_love | can I borrow someone's .config file for kernel 2.6.9 |
| 04:39.23 | lenomade | this has happened a lot though-- I make up an unused name on one machine, but then when I try to use it again on another it asks me to identify, even though I haven't set a password for it. |
| 04:39.32 | dondelelcaro | swim_love: someone else's .config won't do you a bit of good. |
| 04:39.45 | stoned | is there such a software where i can mess around with like human dna and then render what it would look like mixed with other stuff |
| 04:39.48 | walnuck | swim_love: not everybody uses an x86 |
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| 04:39.56 | swim_love | dondelelcaro, something that would be close to the standard configuration |
| 04:40.02 | mage | lenomade: use /ns info nick |
| 04:40.09 | dondelelcaro | swim_love: just run make menuconfig; then you have the standard configuration. |
| 04:40.13 | oksanen | I havent been able to get a 8139too to do over 10 half duplex in FreeBSD OpenBSD or Linux |
| 04:40.14 | mage | lenomade: maybe someone is registering your nicks? :) |
| 04:40.18 | lenomade | no information available |
| 04:40.30 | dondelelcaro | stoned: what it would look like mixed with other stuff? I don't understand what you're asking for. |
| 04:40.32 | mage | oksanen: ouch, thats realtek right? |
| 04:40.36 | lenomade | o wait, that's bitchx. I have to type out nickserv |
| 04:40.38 | oksanen | yeah |
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| 04:40.59 | stoned | dondelelcaro, just a gene manipulation sim where i can later render what the gene would like as an organism |
| 04:41.07 | mage | lenomade: ooops, i switched to irssi this year |
| 04:41.09 | dondelelcaro | stoned: totally doesn't exist. |
| 04:41.17 | stonecolddsl | I have a firewire external hard drive I see the sbp2 module... but cant figure out what device it is so i can mount it |
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| 04:41.28 | dondelelcaro | stoned: that sort of simulation is probably 200-400 years away. |
| 04:41.29 | rich_ | stoned: Oh, you mean a game. I dont think so |
| 04:41.33 | stoned | dondelelcaro, any biology package recomendations for a 7 year old |
| 04:41.37 | thoreauputic | mage: an excellent choice, Sir, if I might say so ;) |
| 04:41.43 | swim_love | dondelelcaro, the reason I am compiling my kernel, is to install nvidia-kernel, since display is not working |
| 04:41.51 | useruser | stoned: http://www.biostat.jhsph.edu/~kbroman/qtl/html/sim.map.html |
| 04:42.08 | lenomade | anyway, uh. Someone said to me earlier, something along the lines of 'what makes you think installing random packages will make xserver work' |
| 04:42.13 | swim_love | dondelelcaro, & I really don't want to select every configuration item during config |
| 04:42.25 | lenomade | what makes me think that is that it has |
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| 04:42.35 | dondelelcaro | swim_love: so use your current .config, and change it to do whatever you want. |
| 04:42.47 | Agrajag- | hey all, got a bit of a problem. i have a machine with 2 nics. on boot the correct modules got loaded for them (i believe 'discover' would be responsible for that?), but the modules weren't loaded in the order i would prefer, so what i would've liked at eth0 was eth1 and vica-versa. is there a way to force which gets loaded first? or which eth device gets assigned to it? |
| 04:43.12 | candrews | list |
| 04:43.16 | swim_love | dondelelcaro, I haven't really compiled my kernel yet: so guess I don't have .config |
| 04:43.33 | Terrapin | anyone know how to hook a pvr up to the computer for burning dvd's ? i have a linux and a windows box avail, but i want to get the movies off the pvr onto the hard drive |
| 04:43.45 | dondelelcaro | swim_love: if you've got a kernel running, you do. /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 04:44.06 | stoned | are there any diablo/diablo2 clones for debian/linux |
| 04:44.13 | swim_love | dondelelcaro, oh is it? |
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| 04:44.15 | gravity | Wow... I totally need to learn R's bioinformatics classes! |
| 04:44.17 | stoned | i can't find one |
| 04:44.19 | gravity | Genetic mapping! Holy fuck! |
| 04:44.21 | candrews | #list |
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| 04:44.26 | dondelelcaro | gravity: that's just an add on module... |
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| 04:44.32 | dondelelcaro | candrews: this isn't a warez channel |
| 04:44.53 | sanxiyn | swim_love: Yup. config is in /boot. |
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| 04:45.05 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I know but I was just eyeing the not-yet-released O'Reilly R for Biologists book |
| 04:45.16 | dondelelcaro | gravity: ah... |
| 04:45.18 | Clujo | Agrajag-, in /etc/sysconfig there should be some networking files with mac addresses. that what you mean |
| 04:45.22 | candrews | not looking for warez. first time to use irc. have no clue whst i am doing. trying to figure it out! |
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| 04:45.39 | zu22 | gravity: i find genetics dead boring |
| 04:45.47 | swim_love | thanks guyz i'll try compiling using that .config, but can you suggest me some links - than be useful during compiliation |
| 04:45.56 | zu22 | gravity: i rather learn about gravity heh |
| 04:46.04 | gravity | zu22: Sorry to hear that. Real genetics is way better than punnet squares and shit :-) |
| 04:46.12 | thoreauputic | candrews: maybe you wanted /list |
| 04:46.16 | Agrajag- | Clujo: i have no /etc/sysconfig ? |
| 04:46.16 | pipeline | stoned: Diablo II runs fine on linux. |
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| 04:46.28 | candrews | oh. sorry. |
| 04:46.36 | lenomade | hm. I installed the x metapackage, but it fails to start. darn, there's a lot of problems.. |
| 04:46.40 | pipeline | I'd like to announce to the world: udev is awful. |
| 04:46.48 | pipeline | lenomade: You're going to have to be more specific. |
| 04:46.53 | Agrajag- | Clujo: my problem is just that i dont konw what order the modules will be inserted in, so i dont' know which card will get eth0/eth1 |
| 04:47.05 | gravity | stoned: Your best bet is one of the roguelikes that Diablo ripped off |
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| 04:47.15 | thoreauputic | candrews: in xchat, a lot of this is covered if you click help |
| 04:47.20 | sanxiyn | gravity: No nethack plz. |
| 04:47.36 | staniel | Agrajag-: what kind of network cards? |
| 04:47.37 | thoreauputic | candrews: or explore the options in the menu |
| 04:47.41 | gravity | sanxiyn: You have no taste |
| 04:47.50 | candrews | thx. i am using xchat. will look at help now. |
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| 04:47.52 | scooter | \q |
| 04:47.54 | sanxiyn | gravity: It was too difficult for me. |
| 04:48.05 | zu22 | gravity: maybe i'll check it out someday heh |
| 04:48.34 | thoreauputic | candrews: I know , I just checked your version ;) |
| 04:48.34 | gravity | sanxiyn: Yeah, it's really hard, but that's the fun of it :-) |
| 04:48.41 | lenomade | oh shit, looking over the log I might know why |
| 04:48.42 | sanxiyn | Also Debian got falconseye if you want some image :-) |
| 04:48.44 | sanxiyn | !info falconseye |
| 04:48.47 | Clujo | sorry, agra. |
| 04:48.47 | dpkg | falconseye: (A port of NetHack using SDL), section games, is optional. Version: 1.9.3-13 (sid), Packaged size: 829 kB, Installed size: 2176 kB |
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| 04:48.52 | dondelelcaro | gravity: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/listmania/list-browse/-/OONLVNXU185G/ |
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| 04:49.23 | lenomade | "Not using ____ mode. (insufficient memory)" -- I've got about 40 lines or more of this |
| 04:49.23 | staniel | Agrajag-: what are the network cards the same brand/model? |
| 04:49.26 | Agrajag- | staniel: no, different modules |
| 04:49.27 | dondelelcaro | gravity: most of those are crap, by the way... the R book has been in that list for almost a year now, and still hasn't released... |
| 04:49.35 | candrews | didn't know you could do that! guess i had better read |
| 04:49.45 | stoned | pipeline, how do I run diablo 2, with wine, i've ran it before but it was already installed on an fat disk, now i havn't got a fat disk |
| 04:49.56 | lenomade | this machine used to run windows 95, and played Magic Carpet and Descent 2. Shouldn't it be able to run a basic x-server? |
| 04:50.02 | Agrajag- | staniel: one using 8139too and the other ne2k_pci |
| 04:50.03 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Anything worthwhile? |
| 04:50.17 | staniel | Agrajag-: but what brands are they? |
| 04:50.22 | thoreauputic | candrews: right click on a nick in the users list and see the options - but don't version everyone - htey'll get cross ;) |
| 04:50.26 | pipeline | stoned: There's nothing to it. If wine works correctly, Diablo II works fine. I've used it before. |
| 04:50.29 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I have the intro to R book |
| 04:50.35 | dondelelcaro | gravity: not really... most of that, anyone would already know |
| 04:50.43 | dondelelcaro | (well, anyone serious, anyway) |
| 04:50.44 | stoned | pipeline, i mount the cd and run the setup, and thats it? |
| 04:50.47 | pipeline | stoned: You might need winex-cvs though, which would sduck. Winex is terrible next to regular wine, but it does directx better. |
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| 04:51.04 | pipeline | stoned: Yeah, pretty much. You might have to copy all the CD's to your hard drive so that you don't have to unmount them, though |
| 04:51.10 | Agrajag- | staniel: 0000:02:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Accton Technology Corporation SMC2-1211TX (rev 10) and 0000:02:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS) |
| 04:51.14 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Ok then. There's no reason for me to be jumping at that sort of thing anyway. My work is pretty simple in the bioinformatics realm so far. |
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| 04:51.17 | Agrajag- | staniel: but what's that got to do with it |
| 04:51.19 | pipeline | stoned: i.e. turn them into ISO's and just mount them one on top of the next as it asks for each disc |
| 04:51.36 | stoned | pipeline, oh i see, nice trick that one |
| 04:51.37 | thoreauputic | candrews: you can version me if you want to try it, BTW |
| 04:51.39 | staniel | Agrajag-: because, if they are of different brands, and you know the brands, you can easily tell by the mac address what each network card is (eth0/1) |
| 04:51.44 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to figure out mainly how to script bioinformatics tasks so I can do more complex stuff with relative ease. If only bioperl wasn't such a bitch and a half to me |
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| 04:51.46 | stoned | under windows i couldn't play without the cd |
| 04:51.52 | candrews | not traveling incogito at all! :-) |
| 04:51.57 | dondelelcaro | gravity: bioperl is ass. |
| 04:52.10 | gravity | dondelelcaro: What do you use? |
| 04:52.14 | pipeline | stoned: Dude, seriously, most things work most of the time in wine these days. http://aijones2.iweb.bsu.edu/ie6.cancelled.png just blows me away. IE was supposed to be the one thing that would never run in WINE |
| 04:52.19 | dondelelcaro | gravity: if it works right away, it's great, but for far to many things, it just sucks. |
| 04:52.20 | stoned | actually im gonna see if i can run morrowind |
| 04:52.23 | Agrajag- | staniel: that's not the point. the point is i always want the ne2k_pci one to be eth0, and i always want the 8139too one to be eth1. |
| 04:52.25 | lenomade | darn. I really thought I could get this old machine to run a gui. |
| 04:52.33 | pipeline | stoned: IIRC, morrowind also works. |
| 04:52.35 | dondelelcaro | gravity: I've gotten stuck with reinventing the wheel, unfortunatly... |
| 04:52.40 | staniel | Agrajag-: does it matter really which one is which? |
| 04:52.47 | pipeline | stoned: I suggest you get sidenet config to generate a config file for you first off. |
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| 04:53.01 | stoned | i get 12fps at 640xres |
| 04:53.05 | pipeline | stoned: And I warn you now, non-OpenGL games probably just won't work without winex. Fortunately, transgaming's cvs tree is free to download. |
| 04:53.05 | FieldySnuts | @nuke the UN |
| 04:53.05 | stoned | heh |
| 04:53.12 | stoned | only a 32mb card |
| 04:53.12 | FieldySnuts | nooo.... |
| 04:53.13 | Agrajag- | staniel: yes. firewall scripts. dhcpd. lots of things are reliant on where eth0 is connected to and where eth1 is connected to. |
| 04:53.16 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Yes, sometime in 2004 IE on Wine is quite stable. |
| 04:53.19 | dondelelcaro | gravity: course, most of the stuff I do invovles querying databases... so with a good regex understanding and some XML::Parser experience, things are good enough not to really matter |
| 04:53.26 | sanxiyn | s/is/became/ |
| 04:53.33 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Do you build your own DB's? |
| 04:53.48 | staniel | Agrajag-: alright, well check out /etc/modules <- that should have a list of modules to be loaded on boot time |
| 04:53.51 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I've noticed that a lot of my ideas would involve that, but I haven't had time to learn the details of doing it yet |
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| 04:53.53 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Before that, someone wrote "installer" for specific WINE cvs date version that worked well IE, but it isn't necessary anymore. |
| 04:53.59 | pipeline | sanxiyn: Nah. It works fine for me, with the debian packaged wine, today. I installed it multiple times on several machines to make sure it wasn't a fluke. i don't actually have any purpose for IE, I'm just amazed that it works. |
| 04:54.08 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Yes. It works today very well. |
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| 04:54.13 | Agrajag- | staniel: ....... have you read anything i've actually said? i said they get loaded by discover |
| 04:54.18 | FieldySnuts | @hack pipeline |
| 04:54.21 | sanxiyn | pipeline: It wasn't in some time ago. |
| 04:54.23 | FieldySnuts | DAMNIT! |
| 04:54.29 | staniel | Agrajag-: ahh, sorry, I came in half way through the convo |
| 04:54.33 | pipeline | sanxiyn: Heh, the old "installer" is pretty damn handy anyway. Sidenet. Configures wine nicely with the necessary fonts etc. |
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| 04:54.54 | sanxiyn | pipeline: To "install" IE without Windows partition, you need cabextract and a bit of hack. |
| 04:54.54 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
| 04:55.10 | sanxiyn | (like renaming files to lowercase, if I remember correctly.) |
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| 04:55.54 | pipeline | sanxiyn: Heh, I don't think you even need that any more. I'm pretty sure you only need one dll to run ie6setup.exe successfully. |
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| 04:56.13 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Oh, that's a good news. Things get always better. |
| 04:56.17 | dondelelcaro | gravity: I do, but I haven't bothered yet for most of the projects that I've dealt with |
| 04:56.28 | lenomade | xserver says "No core pointer" |
| 04:56.29 | Agrajag- | this has to be possible - im sure there are other people out there who have more than one nic and care which nic gets eth0/eth1/etc! |
| 04:56.33 | dondelelcaro | gravity: most of the stuff I get by with lots of .txt files that are CSV |
| 04:56.37 | dondelelcaro | (or tsv) |
| 04:56.49 | Fugazi | pipeline: dcom95.exe is what u need |
| 04:56.52 | dondelelcaro | Agrajag-: use nameif |
| 04:56.52 | pipeline | sanxiyn: I'm not even sure of that. My /home isn't mounted on my desktop at the moment. Let me check how that cursed script works. |
| 04:56.56 | dondelelcaro | !nameif |
| 04:56.56 | dpkg | i heard nameif is a tool to juggle the order in which your nics appear, see http://xenotime.net/linux/doc/network-interface-names.txt |
| 04:57.05 | Agrajag- | ta |
| 04:57.11 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Interesting. I've been wanting to do some hardcore processing of a lot of the fly genome(s) but haven't figured out exactly how yet |
| 04:57.15 | pipeline | Fugazi: heh, you don't need dcom98 installed anymore to make ie6setup.exe work. I know this because I had to install dcom98 afterwards to get something else worknig |
| 04:57.19 | sean_micken | how do i list all the dependencies of a given package? |
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| 04:57.28 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: grep-dctrl; or apt-cache show package; |
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| 04:57.40 | sanxiyn | I am hoping winelib to mature, but wine gets much more focus, which is understandable. |
| 04:58.05 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah, this is all pretty simple stuff... I haven't had a really hardcore problem yet. [Possibly because I tend to avoid them, since they tend to be very difficult to solve.] |
| 04:58.08 | pipeline | I don't think winelib will ever mature |
| 04:58.11 | sanxiyn | With winelib, it would be possible to compile open source win32 programs and push it to Debian, for example. |
| 04:58.14 | sean_micken | dondelelcaro, is there a way to recursively do that (showing dependencies of the dependencies) |
| 04:58.14 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Why? |
| 04:58.17 | gravity | dondelelcaro: That's my problem :-) |
| 04:58.17 | imaginal | Is there a way to use apt-get to get the latest release of a piece of software? (while remaining sarge?) |
| 04:58.17 | Sandman | "Can't preserve pristine sources from non .tar.gz upstream archive!" |
| 04:58.18 | Sandman | wtf? |
| 04:58.19 | Flammifer | I apt-got some updates for my debian, then restarted. And now he refuses to start xfree, saying my nvidia module isn't the same verison as my Xfree ... |
| 04:58.27 | pipeline | sanxiyn: So low priority, so complicated. So many issues other than libraries. |
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| 04:58.32 | Fugazi | pipeline: codeweaver (xcrossover) which gave the code to wine still uses it |
| 04:58.39 | The_Vulture | imaginal: of course not, it wouldn't be sarge then would it? |
| 04:58.47 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: yes, but it gets relataively complex. You'd need to use grep-dctrl and a script to do it. |
| 04:58.54 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Yes, but you know PuTTY and Abiword compiles nicely with winelib. |
| 04:58.59 | Flammifer | [My problem]Shouldn't apt automatically deal with those things ? |
| 04:59.00 | The_Vulture | imaginal: you can try using sid sources, building the package from source (apt-get -b or whatever) and then installing that.. |
| 04:59.04 | The_Vulture | maybe |
| 04:59.10 | sanxiyn | pipeline: Perhaps compiling virtualdub with winelib would be worthwhile, as well as 7zip. |
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| 04:59.34 | dondelelcaro | Flammifer: your nvidia module isn't packaged in Debian. Therefore, debian knows jack-all about it, and it doesn't enter into the dependency calculation at all. |
| 04:59.42 | cwood | Good evening. A question: How do I change where a window is placed? For some reason my Gaim login windows are going somewhere quite inconvenient. |
| 04:59.43 | imaginal | The_Vulture: thank you |
| 04:59.59 | gravity | cwood: Depends entirely on your window manager |
| 05:00.04 | dondelelcaro | cwood: set the -geometry option to where you actually want them |
| 05:00.17 | cwood | Okay, thanks. I'll peruse my window manager settings. |
| 05:00.19 | sanxiyn | (If someone is crazy enough, compiling Moz or OOo with winelib hehe) |
| 05:00.20 | The_Vulture | Flammifer: get nvidia-kernel-source and the kernel-headers for your current kernel and build a new nvidia-kernel package..etc |
| 05:00.23 | MegaManX | hey guys. for the reference, a apt-get upgrade can mess with your libc-client, causing it to disable plaintext passwords, which would most definetly break squirrelmail.. just so you know. |
| 05:00.30 | gravity | Ah crap. I forgot about --geometry |
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| 05:00.40 | Fugazi | sanxiyn: if you need to run wine i would sujest xcrossover a proprietary version that donates code to the wine project |
| 05:00.46 | The_Vulture | MegaManX: try filing it with the bug tracking system (bugs.debian.org) |
| 05:00.54 | dondelelcaro | MegaManX: what exactly are you mumbling about? |
| 05:00.57 | mwilson | MegaManX: Yes, if you can't be bothered to actually pay attention to what's being installed. |
| 05:01.01 | sanxiyn | pipeline: I think Window's unicode header/library was a major obstacle in winelib after winemaker solved case issue? |
| 05:01.19 | MegaManX | The_Vulture: would it be a bug, exactly, it's just making it more secure. |
| 05:01.34 | Fugazi | sanxiyn: more stable and can run any windows app i ever tried |
| 05:01.35 | lenomade | xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device |
| 05:01.58 | The_Vulture | lenomade: using 2.6? have you loaded mousedev? |
| 05:02.06 | lenomade | this should be 2.4 actually |
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| 05:02.13 | lenomade | I had to install off some floppies |
| 05:02.17 | MegaManX | mwilson - that is probably the case, I probably totally flew past that option, i didn't install squirrelmail or uw-imapd on this box, a friend did, so I didn't think it would affect anything.. |
| 05:02.21 | Sandman | Can I have an example of proper use of uupdate? |
| 05:02.22 | lenomade | oh, 2.4 doesn't support that? |
| 05:02.41 | Sandman | Do I run it from the directory that contains debian/? Or from the actual source tree, so for example in the case of X, xc |
| 05:02.45 | Flammifer | The_Vulture, I'm not even sure I know how to do that :-P (I'm used to only using synaptic, not apt) |
| 05:02.53 | MegaManX | I was asking about my squirrelmail issue, earlier, and someone mentioned that it was a common issue, that's why I was saying how I fixed it. |
| 05:02.56 | The_Vulture | lenomade: "uname -r" says what? |
| 05:03.13 | The_Vulture | Flammifer: time to learn I suppose.. |
| 05:03.13 | lenomade | 2.4.etc |
| 05:03.15 | Flammifer | Do I need new nvidia sources, or should the ones I already have ... somewhere ... be enough ? |
| 05:03.27 | oksanen | I wish ooO was in stable packages |
| 05:03.39 | Flammifer | and, more importantly, will he do this to me every time I do a standard update ? |
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| 05:04.11 | lenomade | 2.4.27-1-586tsc |
| 05:04.22 | The_Vulture | Flammifer: every time you change linux kernel you'll need to build a new nvidia kernel.. |
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| 05:05.08 | Flammifer | ... and every time I upgrade he changes the bloody kernel ? :-P |
| 05:05.26 | pipeline | Fugazi, sanxiyn: I was wrong, it does require DCOM |
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| 05:06.08 | Fugazi | pipeline: ya i figured it would :) |
| 05:06.13 | lenomade | vulture-- what was that config command that lets me set my mouse? And what setting do you recommend for an old compaq ps/2 one? |
| 05:06.21 | Flammifer | what's the command to build the new nividia-kernel package ? |
| 05:06.38 | Arnox | Flammifer: the nvidia installer should handle that |
| 05:06.43 | stew | Flammifer: i think its "go" |
| 05:06.58 | Sandman | can I get hel pon the proper use of uupdate? |
| 05:07.06 | Flammifer | how do I launch the nvidia installer ? |
| 05:07.15 | lenomade | use the instructions |
| 05:07.20 | Arnox | aye |
| 05:07.29 | Flammifer | ... what instructions ? |
| 05:07.32 | lenomade | nvdia has a readme, right? |
| 05:07.38 | Arnox | yah |
| 05:07.38 | stew | INSTALL? |
| 05:07.40 | lenomade | unless you're using the other method I don't know about |
| 05:07.45 | Arnox | it's a bash script |
| 05:07.47 | Flammifer | er, does it ? Where ? |
| 05:07.50 | pipeline | Fugazi: Too bad, I thought they'd acheived a miracle ;) |
| 05:07.53 | mwilson | lenomade: Yes, but you don't actually expect cluebies to READ it, do you? |
| 05:07.58 | lenomade | on their website, flammifer |
| 05:07.58 | stew | lenomade: install and run mdetect |
| 05:08.08 | Arnox | Flammifer: did you download the driver even yet? |
| 05:08.18 | Flammifer | apt got it |
| 05:08.28 | Flammifer | .... so, he doesn't tell me everything |
| 05:08.35 | The_Vulture | Flammifer: what package did you install, exactly? |
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| 05:08.49 | Flammifer | I just did a basic update and now I have no xfree |
| 05:09.00 | Flammifer | in the update there were quite a few packages |
| 05:09.08 | naengmyeonhax0r | Flammifer: that's funny, sinc eupdate doesn't install any packages |
| 05:09.19 | The_Vulture | Flammifer: right.. fantastic, so go get nvidia-kernel-source and kernel-headers-`uname -r` and read the nvidia-kernel-source documentation |
| 05:09.24 | Arnox | Flammifer: go to nvidia's site and manually download the driver.. |
| 05:09.36 | thoreauputic | naengmyeonhax0r: I would guess he meant 'upgrade' |
| 05:09.47 | mwilson | naengmyeonhax0r: It doesn't? When did you make that change? Up until now, it would install new versions of packages already installed. |
| 05:09.50 | naengmyeonhax0r | !guess |
| 05:09.50 | dpkg | hmm... guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 05:09.50 | Sandman | uupdate is _not_ working properly per instructions. So either they're unclear or something is being done wrong here |
| 05:09.53 | Sandman | I was looking for help. |
| 05:09.58 | naengmyeonhax0r | mwilson: cf upgrade |
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| 05:10.22 | naengmyeonhax0r | thoreauputic: you're right, of course... I'm just being a terminology nazi |
| 05:10.37 | thoreauputic | naengmyeonhax0r: indeed ;) |
| 05:10.49 | lenomade | hm, I still got the same mouse error, even after running mdetect |
| 05:11.10 | naengmyeonhax0r | hrm |
| 05:11.15 | naengmyeonhax0r | there's a preserved egg in this |
| 05:11.19 | naengmyeonhax0r | that was funky |
| 05:11.29 | lenomade | egg in what? |
| 05:11.36 | stoned | nog |
| 05:11.38 | naengmyeonhax0r | my naengmyeon |
| 05:11.42 | stew | nog! |
| 05:11.45 | naengmyeonhax0r | that I haxx0red up |
| 05:11.53 | lenomade | what's a naengmyeon? |
| 05:12.48 | Flammifer | ... where can I find the nvidia documentation ? |
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| 05:12.58 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: http://ftp.gnu.org/savannah/files/faifes/ch05n.html |
| 05:13.19 | thoreauputic | Flammifer: their website might be a good place to look, don't you think? |
| 05:13.50 | stew | lenomade: copy paste? select middle click? apt-get install irssi-text bitchx-? |
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| 05:14.08 | lenomade | how can I copy paste without a mouse driver? |
| 05:14.15 | lenomade | which happens to be what I'm trying to fix |
| 05:14.18 | stew | lenomade: with screen |
| 05:14.25 | lenomade | ? |
| 05:14.35 | stew | lenomade: are you running bitchx inside screen? you should be |
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| 05:14.35 | stoned | install screen then man it |
| 05:14.36 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: apt-get install screen; man screen |
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| 05:15.08 | stew | me also |
| 05:15.12 | lenomade | I know how. By not knowing how to use it... |
| 05:15.17 | lenomade | because I don't. |
| 05:15.21 | thoreauputic | heh - man screen should keep you busy for an eon or two |
| 05:15.28 | lenomade | exactly |
| 05:15.34 | Phated | How about using a proper client? :) |
| 05:15.49 | lenomade | what would that be, phated? |
| 05:15.50 | naengmyeonhax0r | all you need to know about screen is: ctrl+a ? |
| 05:15.57 | Phated | irssi-text. |
| 05:15.57 | stew | irssi |
| 05:16.05 | lenomade | and how do you open links in that? |
| 05:16.07 | cafuego | ir |
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| 05:16.13 | Phated | Select, open elinks, paste. |
| 05:16.19 | lenomade | select? |
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| 05:16.24 | cafuego | You open links in aweb browser, not an irc client. |
| 05:16.26 | Sandman | Where to run uupdate -u <upstream tarball> from? |
| 05:16.31 | stew | lenomade: if you don't have a mouse and you want to select you need screen |
| 05:16.32 | Phated | Oh waait.... You don't have gpm, do you? |
| 05:16.42 | Flammifer | so, when someone tells me "go look on the website", what is the usual procedure for finding out what website it is ? |
| 05:16.45 | cafuego | Sandman: Are you on the right channel? |
| 05:16.45 | lenomade | no. How do I make gpm work, anyway? |
| 05:16.49 | Sandman | cafuego: Yes. |
| 05:16.50 | lenomade | gpm has never worked for me in debian |
| 05:16.51 | Phated | Errrr... install it? |
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| 05:16.52 | afra | I just got a new LCD monitor, moving away from a CRT. How do I change the fonts for a LCD monitor? |
| 05:16.55 | cafuego | !find bin/uupdate |
| 05:16.55 | Sandman | cafuego: Do you know what uupdate is? |
| 05:16.55 | Arnox | Flammifer: naturally, the Nvidia website |
| 05:16.58 | naengmyeonhax0r | Flammifer: try debian.org, maybe? |
| 05:17.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/uupdate' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/uupdate) in devel/devscripts. |
| 05:17.05 | naengmyeonhax0r | context is everything |
| 05:17.14 | cafuego | Sandman: Not previously, but now I do :-) |
| 05:17.15 | Phated | Flammifer: Depends what you were asking about. |
| 05:17.21 | naengmyeonhax0r | afra: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 05:17.32 | afra | naengmyeonhax0r, thanks :) |
| 05:17.38 | thoreauputic | Flammifer: google.com/linux type drivers nvidia download - first hit |
| 05:18.04 | Flammifer | I don't want to download nvidia drivers, I'm on another machine here |
| 05:18.15 | Flammifer | I want to know how to get my machien working |
| 05:18.21 | lenomade | go to the driver download. It has steps |
| 05:18.30 | cafuego | Flammifer: Ignore lenomade. |
| 05:18.31 | naengmyeonhax0r | Flammifer: tell xfree86 to use the nv driver |
| 05:18.33 | thoreauputic | Flammifer: does it occur to you that that takes you to the site? |
| 05:18.33 | lenomade | step 1: download. step 2: read. step 3: you're done |
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| 05:18.44 | cafuego | Flammifer: the nvidia driver has been packaged for debian. use the packages; they come with docs. |
| 05:18.44 | Flammifer | I want to know what bloody command configures / runs / whhatever, what puts the right nvidia module on the kernel |
| 05:18.58 | Phated | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 05:19.04 | Sandman | cafuego: It's surprising you haven't used that command, I thought you were a developer/maintainer |
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| 05:19.16 | Flammifer | Phated, ah, that mey help |
| 05:19.26 | cafuego | Sandman: Nah, just make some custom stuff for myself. |
| 05:19.28 | Phated | Hurrah, serendipity strikes. |
| 05:19.30 | Snadder | hey.. wondring how I can list how much space each package use in /usr.. but /usr is soon full.. I know I got alot of unneceserry packages installed with apt-get.. need to find the largest ones.. and uninstall them |
| 05:19.33 | lenomade | 'where is your mouse?': /dev/psaux? |
| 05:19.39 | Phated | How should WE know? |
| 05:19.40 | pauloiam | someone could help me please |
| 05:19.46 | pauloiam | someone could help me please? |
| 05:19.51 | xerophyte | i have server with apache and i have tons of connection in the state of tcp 0 0 src_ip:80 dest_ip :62959 TIME_WAIT .. how can kill them and make sure it does not TIME_WAIT |
| 05:19.52 | Phated | What kind of mouse? USB, Ps/2? |
| 05:19.55 | cafuego | Flammifer: Do you have a compiled nvidia kernel module? |
| 05:19.56 | lenomade | ps/2 |
| 05:20.00 | afra | naengmyeonhax0r, do I want outline fonts ? |
| 05:20.02 | Phated | Then use that. |
| 05:20.05 | lenomade | k |
| 05:20.08 | lenomade | sorry |
| 05:20.16 | Flammifer | cafuego, I think so, I have no idea |
| 05:20.18 | naengmyeonhax0r | greycat has a shell script which lists installed packages in order of disk usage |
| 05:20.24 | cafuego | Flammifer: Then you don't. |
| 05:20.32 | Flammifer | cafuego I think I have one but it's for the wrong kernel verison |
| 05:20.41 | cafuego | Flammifer: You need the kernel-headers-VERSION package for you kernel |
| 05:20.54 | cafuego | Flammifer: And the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 05:21.03 | Snadder | naengmyeonhax0r, nice:) |
| 05:21.07 | Flammifer | I'm pretty sure I hjave nvidia-kernel-sourcre |
| 05:21.09 | lenomade | well, there, I installed gpm and it doesn't work. wow |
| 05:21.17 | cafuego | Flammifer: or alternatively the kernel source tree for your current kernel. |
| 05:21.21 | pauloiam | people |
| 05:21.27 | naengmyeonhax0r | Snadder: perl script, my bad. http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 05:21.32 | Phated | lenomade: Move your mouse. Do you see a little white spot? |
| 05:21.40 | pauloiam | i need some help on sound |
| 05:21.42 | Phated | Unless you fucked up the config, which is always likely. |
| 05:21.44 | lenomade | it hilights the top line on the screen and presses enter a few times |
| 05:21.50 | lenomade | yes, quite likely |
| 05:21.50 | Flammifer | maybe dpkg-reconfigure can do the trick |
| 05:21.52 | Phated | Oh god. |
| 05:21.57 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: sounds like a gammy input driver |
| 05:22.04 | Phated | Hm wait. No, you messed up. |
| 05:22.04 | Snadder | naengmyeonhax0r, thanks alot:) |
| 05:22.05 | cafuego | Flammifer: Give it a go, see if the nvidia module is listed |
| 05:22.15 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: I get that on my toshiba under 2.6 when using a ps/2 mouse |
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| 05:22.16 | lenomade | I'm not sure how to configure it |
| 05:22.25 | Flammifer | cafuego, it should, it worked before |
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| 05:22.49 | Flammifer | I just can't try know, I'm on a windows machine at the lab :-P |
| 05:22.51 | lenomade | I just chose the default options |
| 05:23.18 | cafuego | Flammifer: If it's not there, you need the nvidia-glx package as well. |
| 05:23.27 | Flammifer | well, windows doesn't stop working every time you upgrade it :) (not *every* time) |
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| 05:23.46 | Phated | And how often DO you upgrade windows. :) |
| 05:23.48 | cafuego | nvidia-kernel-source comes with docs in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-* - just follow the step by step process for compiling the module. |
| 05:23.58 | TheBlueWizard | naengmyeonhax0r: "naeng myeon" sounds Korean to me.... |
| 05:24.06 | naengmyeonhax0r | TheBlueWizard: that's because it is korean |
| 05:24.07 | streuner_ | Phated: me, not very much :-) |
| 05:24.10 | lenomade | you update windows every month, phated |
| 05:24.20 | Flammifer | cafuego : things mostly worked before the upgrade, and I remember getting nvidia-glx too. I have all the packages (or almost), it's just the nvidia kernel module that goes bloing |
| 05:24.22 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: no, reinstalling doesn't count |
| 05:24.25 | Phated | lenomade: You don't update Windows. You load patches for whatever shit they messed up. |
| 05:24.28 | lenomade | in fact, servec pack 2 does it without even telling you |
| 05:24.29 | cafuego | lenomade: So you're vulnerable 3 weeks out of every month. wooo. |
| 05:24.35 | Phated | Hurrah! |
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| 05:24.40 | lenomade | they added the "Shut down and install updates" option =P |
| 05:24.47 | naengmyeonhax0r | cafuego: itym 29 days out of every 31 |
| 05:24.54 | Phated | Updates = patches. |
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| 05:25.10 | Phated | It's been widely said, and agreed that the only way Windows works is because of bugs in their bugs. |
| 05:25.16 | cafuego | Windows is good for only two things. |
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| 05:25.28 | naengmyeonhax0r | cafuego: looking outside, and ... ? |
| 05:25.34 | Phated | Breaking. |
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| 05:25.41 | lenomade | windows is good for being easy for people who don't know how to fucking set up gpm. how do I set up gpm? |
| 05:25.49 | cafuego | naengmyeonhax0r: No, Photoshop (Pantone support) and cygwin |
| 05:25.55 | Flammifer | wtf is gpm ? |
| 05:25.58 | guestish | lenomade: windows is great for people who dont care |
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| 05:26.03 | cafuego | lenomade: 'gpmconfig' |
| 05:26.04 | marcm | hey there |
| 05:26.07 | marcm | question: I got 2 SATA drives, one 80 gig for linux and one 160gig for Windows. I got a controler in the southbridge and an additional Promise controler. How should I hook them up for optimal performance? |
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| 05:26.11 | naengmyeonhax0r | cafuego: yeah, I wish free software had decentcolour support and profiling |
| 05:26.13 | streuner_ | !tell Flammifer about gpm |
| 05:26.15 | lenomade | yeah but what option,s cafuego? I don't have a clue |
| 05:26.19 | naengmyeonhax0r | the trouble is it's all encumbered... |
| 05:26.24 | guestish | marcm: dedicated channels |
| 05:26.33 | lenomade | and I've been through this on other machines and never got it right |
| 05:26.34 | cafuego | lenomade: How should I know? I don't know what sort of mouse you have. |
| 05:26.35 | pauloiam | hey guys, i get no sound on my a7v600-x |
| 05:26.36 | guestish | marcm: 1 channel per hard drive |
| 05:26.38 | Flammifer | Windows is good for actually working the first time I try my digital camera/loudspeakers/usb disk |
| 05:26.41 | lenomade | I'm pretty sure it can't work with the 2.4 kernel |
| 05:26.51 | lenomade | I have a normal mouse |
| 05:26.55 | guestish | Flammifer: windows is good for doing exactly what it was made to do, just work whatever the cost |
| 05:26.55 | lenomade | a really old ps/2 one |
| 05:26.55 | naengmyeonhax0r | Flammifer: wasn't for me. |
| 05:27.02 | cafuego | pauloiam: run 'lspci' and check what sound chip you have. |
| 05:27.02 | guestish | lenomade: hey! a normal mouse, that must be rare |
| 05:27.16 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: modprobe psmouse ? |
| 05:27.16 | Phated | Hey I have a normal mouse! |
| 05:27.17 | lenomade | it is as normal as it could possibly be |
| 05:27.23 | guestish | marcm: that gives a dedicated irq and increases speed |
| 05:27.41 | guestish | Phated: no kidding? well feel proud to be an american then |
| 05:27.49 | naengmyeonhax0r | hahaha |
| 05:27.54 | naengmyeonhax0r | !lose guestish |
| 05:27.54 | dpkg | guestish: You Lose. |
| 05:27.58 | guestish | !win guestish |
| 05:27.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, guestish! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 05:28.03 | guestish | !botsex naengmyeonhax0r |
| 05:28.05 | Phated | guestish: EW. |
| 05:28.14 | guestish | !america |
| 05:28.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, america is based on its ideal that everyone should be as similar as possible, or the most powerful nation in the capitalist world, and now, the whole world, or a shithouse country run by evil dictator-like leaders |
| 05:28.20 | guestish | oh yeah! |
| 05:28.26 | guestish | and im damn proud of it |
| 05:28.35 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: that much is clear |
| 05:28.45 | guestish | !laught at naengmyeonhax0r |
| 05:28.49 | guestish | !laugh at naengmyeonhax0r |
| 05:28.50 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! naengmyeonhax0r just cracks me up! |
| 05:28.52 | guestish | :) |
| 05:28.53 | marcm | is Debian for AMD 64 faster than the one for IA32? |
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| 05:29.00 | cafuego | marcm: yep |
| 05:29.02 | guestish | marcm: you have an AMD64? |
| 05:29.03 | marcm | would I see any advantage? |
| 05:29.06 | naengmyeonhax0r | marcm: since it runs in 64bit, I'd hope so |
| 05:29.11 | guestish | hah! |
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| 05:29.14 | cafuego | marcm: depends on what you run. |
| 05:29.16 | lenomade | modprobe: can't locate module psmouse |
| 05:29.22 | marcm | guetish yep, just building it, it's on my workbench here:))) |
| 05:29.24 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: uname -r |
| 05:29.25 | guestish | its just optimized in certain areas |
| 05:29.34 | lenomade | it's 2.4. I said that already |
| 05:29.38 | guestish | marcm: you want speed? get a race car, you want reliablity, use linux |
| 05:29.46 | guestish | marcm: screw speed |
| 05:29.47 | mdh | greetings earthlings |
| 05:29.47 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: ok, sorry. psmouse is only in 2.6 kernels. |
| 05:29.56 | marcm | guetish MSI K8T800 board, AMD 64 2800+, GeForce 5500 (moded) |
| 05:29.57 | guestish | mdh: hello bob |
| 05:30.09 | guestish | marcm: do not overclock |
| 05:30.12 | marcm | guetish I'm not a big fan of nForce |
| 05:30.21 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: err, gpm can work just fine with the 2.4 kernel. |
| 05:30.22 | guestish | marcm: you understand me? |
| 05:30.23 | Phated | I got gpm working with 2.4. And 2.6. |
| 05:30.32 | guestish | marcm: unless you have a massive heatsink, DO NOT OVERCLOCK |
| 05:30.33 | lenomade | show me how then, please? |
| 05:30.39 | marcm | guestish I am not, except the Video Card, which is moded with a Thermaltake Giant II cooler |
| 05:30.40 | Phated | Let's see... |
| 05:30.41 | useruser | lenomade: gpmconfig did the job for me |
| 05:30.48 | guestish | marcm: ok, good |
| 05:30.48 | awol | lenomade: wtf? i been using it for years... now ya tell me! |
| 05:30.48 | Phated | modprbe... mousedev? |
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| 05:31.00 | mdh | guestish: how about a game of chess? |
| 05:31.06 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: gimme the output of lsmod |egrep -i 'mouse|ps|hid' on a httpd or in #flood |
| 05:31.14 | guestish | marcm: think of it this way, anything built especially for your computer is faster than something that isnt |
| 05:31.23 | marcm | guestish I've set the memory to 520 and GPU to 360, but I don't know how to Volt Mod the card so I can go higher |
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| 05:31.47 | guestish | marcm: you spent more money overclocking then buying a better card |
| 05:31.54 | lenomade | Phated: ps/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 05:32.11 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: any special reason you're not using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:32.16 | guestish | mdh: i would except it would be a very short game |
| 05:32.21 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: 2.6 BLOWS |
| 05:32.21 | lenomade | naengmyeonhax0r: floppies |
| 05:32.24 | pauloiam | someone could help me i get no sound on debian |
| 05:32.24 | guestish | !2.6 |
| 05:32.24 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.6 is http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html, or /msg dpkg kp, or now stable enough for critical production systems, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 |
| 05:32.29 | guestish | grrr |
| 05:32.34 | lenomade | the 2.6 kernel is not available on floppies |
| 05:32.35 | guestish | !tell pauloiam about alsa howto |
| 05:32.36 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: blows you away, yes. |
| 05:32.37 | marcm | guestish actually I've just bought a ATI 9550 (Gigabyte) for $60, and it kicks the crap out of the GeForce, at stock speeds with passive cooling.... |
| 05:32.46 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: you have network now. |
| 05:32.49 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: no, blows fat chunks |
| 05:32.52 | marcm | guestish I wish ATI had better Linux support |
| 05:32.56 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: how fat? |
| 05:32.56 | guestish | marcm: same |
| 05:32.59 | lenomade | shall I try and install 2.6 now? I don't even know how I'd do that. |
| 05:33.09 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: as fat as your massive rear end |
| 05:33.13 | guestish | :) |
| 05:33.25 | guestish | lenomade: no |
| 05:33.31 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6, select one |
| 05:33.39 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: in all seriousness, it is not stable |
| 05:33.39 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: are you using woody? |
| 05:33.46 | lenomade | sarge |
| 05:33.52 | guestish | !lart naengmyeonhax0r |
| 05:33.57 | guestish | oy vay |
| 05:33.57 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: it's not horriffically unstable |
| 05:33.59 | cafuego | marcm: I've got an AMD64 running Debian AMD64. nforce3 mobo; 5700FX gfx |
| 05:34.01 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: close |
| 05:34.08 | guestish | 866 babyyyy! :) |
| 05:34.08 | marcm | guestish The 9550 performed even better than the 9600XT that I had, sold it immediatly...$159 card, perfomed worst than the 9550...but the 9550 has its roots in the 9700, just lower speeds, but 8 pipes |
| 05:34.22 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: got anything to back this up, other than wild rantings? |
| 05:34.23 | guestish | marcm: why are you using linux? |
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| 05:34.33 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: they merged the stable and unstable trees in 2.6 |
| 05:34.33 | Flammifer | Will dpkg-configure rebuild my nvidia kernel module ? (So that it actuall fits the kernel this time) ? |
| 05:34.37 | cafuego | marcm: 64bit apps generally run quicker then 32bit ones, but I have noticed KDE seems to not be very fast. Also keep in mind ATI have no 64bit drivers for the gfx cards. |
| 05:34.44 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: I understand the "new development model" argument |
| 05:34.44 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: and personal experience backs it up |
| 05:34.44 | cafuego | Flammifer: Nope. |
| 05:34.45 | naengmyeonhax0r | oh yeah |
| 05:34.56 | naengmyeonhax0r | I know about that, and I agree it's a stupid idea |
| 05:35.00 | guestish | cafuego: ATI's drivers are crap |
| 05:35.15 | naengmyeonhax0r | but that don't make the whole series unstable |
| 05:35.24 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: 2.6 is not only unstable, it is completely unnessicary for 99% of the people |
| 05:35.33 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: yes it does, by definition it is unstable |
| 05:35.35 | doleyb | cafuego: I have almost the same, amd64 nforce with 5600fx. |
| 05:35.42 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: if it works just call yourself lucky |
| 05:35.51 | doleyb | Anyone can tell me how to fix "XFree86-DRI" missing on display :0? |
| 05:35.54 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: once again, 83.47% of statistics being made up on the spot proves nothing |
| 05:36.02 | Phated | Yay I'm lucky! |
| 05:36.05 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: I guess most people are lucky, then |
| 05:36.05 | lenomade | shall I grab 2.6.8 |
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| 05:36.09 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: yes. |
| 05:36.12 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: no, they arent, and something ends up breaking |
| 05:36.15 | lenomade | k |
| 05:36.21 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: ESPECIALLY on non-standard arches |
| 05:36.23 | Flammifer | cafuego : damn. So first I do dpkg-configure, then I rebuild the modules ? |
| 05:36.36 | guestish | doleyb: shoot your ati card |
| 05:36.54 | guestish | put 2 smoking holes through it |
| 05:37.05 | doleyb | guestish: I have nvidia card. gf 5600 fx. |
| 05:37.11 | guestish | !tell doleyb about nvidia howto |
| 05:37.40 | marcm | cafuego yeah, that's why I'll keep the geforce around..... it's got 256MB ram, and the mod cost me around $35+$65 for the card...still better than what I could find at around $100...plus it's fun |
| 05:37.53 | guestish | marcm: linux is not for gamers most of the time |
| 05:37.53 | doleyb | I already have ("had") nvidia working fine, but new X packages just broke it. |
| 05:37.53 | lenomade | hmm, alright, here goes. wish me luck. Is there a lot of configuration involved in apt-getting this kernel? |
| 05:37.55 | marcm | cafuego need to try to unlock more pipelines |
| 05:38.03 | stew | !blass lenomade |
| 05:38.06 | guestish | lenomade: depends on your system |
| 05:38.06 | stew | err |
| 05:38.07 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: no. |
| 05:38.08 | guestish | !bless lenomade |
| 05:38.08 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child lenomade, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 05:38.12 | stew | thanks |
| 05:38.13 | guestish | np |
| 05:38.23 | cafuego | marcm: Runs fluently at 1600x1200, no need to speed it up. |
| 05:38.24 | TheBlueWizard | guestish: I thought Linux 2.6.x is supposed to be the production (and thus presumably stable) series |
| 05:38.26 | Flammifer | doleyb, heh, looks like you have exaxtly the same problem I do :) |
| 05:38.28 | guestish | TheBlueWizard: no, it isnt |
| 05:38.35 | guestish | TheBlueWizard: 2.4 is production, 2.6 is unstable |
| 05:38.35 | naengmyeonhax0r | umm, it is |
| 05:38.38 | guestish | TheBlueWizard: think sarge and sid |
| 05:38.40 | naengmyeonhax0r | bullshit |
| 05:38.59 | marcm | guestish I know, been using it since 97:)))) but now I could afford a 64 bit chip and wanted to see if I get any advantage out of it...I'm not an intel guy, so I've bought a athlon 64...about the same price as a Celeron D ... |
| 05:39.06 | guestish | TheBlueWizard: 2.4 doesnt change, aka production, 2.6 does, aka unstable |
| 05:39.06 | stew | !bullshit |
| 05:39.06 | dpkg | DRINK! |
| 05:39.06 | doleyb | Flammifer: I have 2 pcs, so I have it double actually. |
| 05:39.07 | cafuego | Flammifer: No, rebuild the kernel module, install the package you build... that should be it (unless you're running on the 'nv' module now) |
| 05:39.10 | naengmyeonhax0r | they changeed the development model; that doesn't directly equate to making the new series bleeding-edge unstable |
| 05:39.13 | marcm | guestish still better performer than the Celeron D |
| 05:39.15 | TheBlueWizard | my understanding is that 2.even = production, 2.odd = development |
| 05:39.18 | guestish | marcm: sickness :) |
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| 05:39.26 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: its about as unstable as sid |
| 05:39.30 | thoreauputic | guestish: umm... the unstable kernels have odd numbered middle terms (as 2.5.* until 2.6 came out) |
| 05:39.35 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: it works sometimes, other times it doesnt |
| 05:39.37 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: it patently is not. |
| 05:39.38 | guestish | thoreauputic: not anymore |
| 05:39.40 | cafuego | marcm: and athlon64 outperforms a P4 HT as well (but that's not hard, I suppose) |
| 05:39.41 | marcm | guestish had a Athlon 2500+ @ 3200+ |
| 05:39.45 | naengmyeonhax0r | TheBlueWizard: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513 |
| 05:39.45 | marcm | just sold it:) |
| 05:39.51 | guestish | marcm: aww, i want it ;) |
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| 05:40.07 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: it *is* |
| 05:40.11 | naengmyeonhax0r | thoreauputic: that's no longer the case. You'll note there is no 2.7 |
| 05:40.15 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: it the same philosphy |
| 05:40.20 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: /msg dpkg kernel |
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| 05:40.42 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: there a reason you asking me to ask dpkg to finger the kernel server? |
| 05:40.43 | marcm | guestish with a Abit NF7-S mobo, nForce 400.... good combo... sold the combo for $170, bought the Athlon + mobo for $230 |
| 05:40.50 | guestish | marcm: nice |
| 05:40.50 | marcm | the 64 |
| 05:41.03 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: just do it, and read. |
| 05:41.15 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: calling it stable doesnt make i tso |
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| 05:41.17 | guestish | it* |
| 05:41.19 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: YOUR opinion on whether something is "unstable" or not is utterly irrelevant here; the kernel gods have designated that 2.6 is the new production series |
| 05:41.26 | guestish | !dict unstable |
| 05:41.28 | dpkg | Dictionary 'unstable' (2 shown; 7 total): Unstable \Un*sta"ble\, a. [Cf. Instable.] Not stable; not firm, fixed, or constant; subject to change or overthrow. -- Un*sta"ble*ness, n. Chaucer. ;; lacking stability or fixity or firmness; "unstable political conditions"; "the tower proved to be unstable in the high wind"; "an unstable world economy". |
| 05:41.38 | guestish | "subject to change" |
| 05:41.41 | guestish | !stable |
| 05:41.42 | dpkg | it has been said that stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days. The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r3). |
| 05:41.46 | guestish | er |
| 05:41.47 | guestish | !dict stable |
| 05:41.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'stable' (2 shown; 19 total): resistant to change of position or condition; "a stable ladder"; "a stable peace"; "a stable relationship"; "stable prices" ;; Syn: Fixed; steady; constant; abiding; strong; durable; firm.. |
| 05:41.53 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: by that yardstick all kernels since 2.2 are unstable |
| 05:41.56 | guestish | "resistant to change" |
| 05:42.03 | dondelelcaro | damnit, why the fuck is uniprot down... |
| 05:42.04 | guestish | 2.4 changes, not by much |
| 05:42.06 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: /nick guesstish |
| 05:42.07 | cafuego | guestish: "pig-headed" |
| 05:42.12 | guestish | 2.6 changes frequently |
| 05:42.16 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: IRIX? |
| 05:42.21 | guestish | cafuego: ? |
| 05:42.27 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: not much more frequently than 2.4 did |
| 05:42.35 | guestish | back when it was unstable, yes |
| 05:42.37 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: dunno... http://www.ebi.uniprot.org/uniprot-srv/extendedView.do?proteinId=1A30_HUMAN&pager.offset=0 |
| 05:42.37 | Arnox | !testing |
| 05:42.37 | dpkg | it has been said that testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
| 05:42.37 | cafuego | guestish: "resiatant to change" ~ "pig-headed" |
| 05:42.50 | guestish | cafuego: in naengmyeonhax0r's case, yes |
| 05:42.51 | |XO| | is there a way to make an accoutn expire automatically on a certain date? |
| 05:43.01 | guestish | !lameometer naengmyeonhax0r |
| 05:43.01 | dpkg | 'naengmyeonhax0r' is 99.770% lame, guestish |
| 05:43.05 | guestish | thats what i thought |
| 05:43.06 | guestish | =D |
| 05:43.09 | dondelelcaro | |XO|: quite a few ways... |
| 05:43.23 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: 2.6 is under _active development_ |
| 05:43.28 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: a-c-t-i-v-e |
| 05:43.29 | Flammifer | !lamometer Flammifer |
| 05:43.32 | |XO| | doleyb the easiest? |
| 05:43.36 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: That's not down as such |
| 05:43.39 | guestish | Flammifer: forgot an e |
| 05:43.40 | |XO| | dondelelcaro the easiest? |
| 05:43.41 | Flammifer | !lameometer Flammifer |
| 05:43.48 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Just doesn't DO anything with HTTP requests. |
| 05:43.52 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: look, this argument is entirely a matter of opinion. You're essentially crying in the wilderness. Criticise the dev model as you please, don't use 2.6 kernels as you please, but don't try to pretend it's not the current stable kernel series. |
| 05:44.00 | thoreauputic | 1nickometer Flammifer |
| 05:44.04 | thoreauputic | haha |
| 05:44.10 | dondelelcaro | |XO|: at somedaytime passwd -l username |
| 05:44.15 | thoreauputic | !nickometer Flammifer |
| 05:44.16 | stew | naengmyeonhax0r: stablility isnt' really a matter of opinion |
| 05:44.27 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: look, they call it stable, but it is under active development, it changes, it can break, it is unstable. 2.4 is DONE, except for security patches it is DONE, D-O-N-E |
| 05:44.29 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: fwiw, I actually AGREE with you in principle; I just don't believe in ignoring facts because you disagreee with them. |
| 05:44.43 | cafuego | guestish: Well, there was that libata thing... |
| 05:44.44 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah. the home page works, but the script is broken... |
| 05:44.51 | cafuego | guestish: and the vm subsyste, |
| 05:44.55 | guestish | cafuego: i guess, but the idea was that it isnt supposed to change |
| 05:45.01 | guestish | cafuego: 2.6 is |
| 05:45.04 | streuner_ | Why aren't there any upgrades in sid the last 2 days? |
| 05:45.12 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: 'GET / HTTP/1.1' also hangs |
| 05:45.12 | dondelelcaro | !topicsmite streuner_ |
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| 05:45.13 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon streuner_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:45.17 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 05:45.23 | guestish | cafuego: 2.6 is supposed to be unstable, 2.4 isnt, even though they break that rule like everything else |
| 05:45.30 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: telnet is the 2nd best debug too ever ;-) |
| 05:45.30 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I thought it was working here, but maybe it's just enterim or some cache |
| 05:46.26 | stew | cafuego: fine, i'll bite, whats the first? |
| 05:46.34 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: it isnt principle, its the truth, and asking someone to use 2.6 is not a good philosphy without them knowing what it is |
| 05:46.42 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: you are basically asking him to use unstable software |
| 05:46.49 | mage | notepad :) |
| 05:46.50 | cafuego | stew: does it matter? |
| 05:47.01 | stew | :) |
| 05:47.09 | mage | actually I use notepad for antivirus on windows ;) |
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| 05:47.16 | stew | mage: congrats |
| 05:47.22 | lenomade | what? |
| 05:47.22 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: and the idea matters so much more than the reality. |
| 05:47.38 | voltagex | I'm having lots of trouble getting xfree working on an iMac running debian ppc |
| 05:47.39 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: reality check, 2.6 isnt stable |
| 05:47.46 | guestish | voltagex: #debian-ppc |
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| 05:47.56 | voltagex | ok |
| 05:47.56 | stew | voltagex: #debianppc |
| 05:48.00 | naengmyeonhax0r | guestish: this bug has been closed WORKSFORME |
| 05:48.03 | lenomade | hm. I got 2.6. Is it just, set up, or do I need to configure it now? |
| 05:48.10 | guestish | naengmyeonhax0r: dont impose your issues on other people |
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| 05:48.16 | cafuego | voltagex: make sure UseFBDev is set to true |
| 05:48.28 | naengmyeonhax0r | lenomade: it should be all installedn and available on reboot |
| 05:48.28 | guestish | lenomade: if you use discover and hotplug it is, otherwise have fun modprobing |
| 05:48.42 | doleyb | cafuego: I just rebuilt the nvidia driver, and it doesn't help. Still no XFree86-DRI. |
| 05:48.48 | guestish | lenomade: also it might break, you need to run lilo/grub, you need to change to alsa |
| 05:48.58 | guestish | lenomade: module-init-tools must be installed |
| 05:49.13 | lenomade | o.o |
| 05:49.14 | guestish | lenomade: ATI drivers wont run on 2.6 and nvidia drivers require 2.6 driver |
| 05:49.14 | cafuego | doleyb: Did you just rebuild it or did you also load it? |
| 05:49.18 | lenomade | what do I have to do before I reboot? |
| 05:49.24 | kvn | guestish: wrong |
| 05:49.27 | guestish | lenomade: many drivers will not run on 2.6 |
| 05:49.31 | kvn | ATI drivers run on 2.6 |
| 05:49.37 | guestish | kvn: not the official ones |
| 05:49.38 | doleyb | cafuego: Yes, I reloaded it too. (The nvidia-installer did the build, and it refuses to run if the module is loaded) |
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| 05:49.44 | kvn | guestish: I'm running the official one |
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| 05:49.47 | lenomade | this doesn't have ati drivers. In fact, this machine is so old and bad, it has no cards of any kind. Except a network card |
| 05:49.53 | kvn | and I'm on 2.6.9 |
| 05:50.00 | guestish | kvn: the website said no 2.6 driver |
| 05:50.00 | cafuego | doleyb: *shrug* I don't know what the nvidia .run file does. Use the debian package. |
| 05:50.02 | guestish | at ATI |
| 05:50.09 | guestish | lenomade: welcome to the 2.6 world |
| 05:50.11 | kvn | guestish: They do support it |
| 05:50.15 | guestish | kvn: give me the link |
| 05:50.31 | lenomade | guestish: ? |
| 05:50.42 | guestish | lenomade: its craptasitically new |
| 05:50.57 | lenomade | I've used 2.6 before, on my other machines |
| 05:51.04 | Guerin | guestish: /nick chickenlickenish |
| 05:51.13 | guestish | !the sky is falling |
| 05:51.13 | dpkg | ...but sky is already something else... |
| 05:51.15 | guestish | !sky |
| 05:51.16 | dpkg | from memory, sky is up, or blue since our atmosphere diffuses light of higher frequencies (blue) more than of lower frequencies (red), During sunset/sunrise, it has to go through more air, so it starts to diffuse lower frequencies more |
| 05:51.22 | guestish | hrm, not what i was looking for |
| 05:51.26 | guestish | Guerin: /nick nosy |
| 05:51.32 | Guerin | why? |
| 05:51.33 | guestish | nosey |
| 05:51.37 | doleyb | cafuego: Do you know what deb package caused the change? (so I can look for bug reps) |
| 05:51.58 | guestish | Guerin: i dont and never will advocate 2.6 to a noob until its really stable or the sky falls |
| 05:52.22 | guestish | lenomade: run update-grub and/or lilo |
| 05:52.25 | Phated | Run lilo, install module-init-tools... |
| 05:52.32 | guestish | lenomade: you aint done mate |
| 05:52.37 | cafuego | doleyb: No, and it's working fine here as well. |
| 05:52.38 | Phated | Perform a full backup. |
| 05:52.42 | jonesy | !start kernel war |
| 05:52.49 | stew | !kernel of hype |
| 05:52.49 | dpkg | Linux 2.6 |
| 05:53.02 | guestish | jonesy: that a joke? |
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| 05:53.19 | kvn | guestish: I don't have a link, I only have a driver package that builds for 2.6 :) |
| 05:53.26 | jonesy | guestish: no, just seeing if it worked |
| 05:53.28 | kvn | guestish: This is in it: "doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher" |
| 05:53.28 | guestish | !cmd: start a kernel war (*.?) action linux is better than linux |
| 05:53.31 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: You let us know how that works out fo you. :) |
| 05:53.32 | guestish | hrm |
| 05:53.46 | guestish | kvn: i need to find that |
| 05:53.47 | Phated | Eehhh... |
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| 05:53.51 | Guerin | !start a kernel war |
| 05:53.51 | dpkg | Alan is a usurper; long live Linus, the One True Linux Kernel Hacker! |
| 05:53.58 | Guerin | it does exist |
| 05:53.58 | guestish | ah, ok |
| 05:53.59 | kvn | guestish: It's in the RPMs they distribute. |
| 05:53.59 | Phated | Hurrah! |
| 05:53.59 | Flammifer | *cough* um, how do you rebuild a module ? |
| 05:54.12 | guestish | Flammifer: module-assistant |
| 05:54.15 | guestish | kvn: o_O |
| 05:54.28 | Flammifer | ? I don't remember meeting him before :-P |
| 05:54.33 | nvz | heh, its going to work out.. one way or another. Going to actually set aside time to study every day |
| 05:54.34 | guestish | Flammifer: hes new |
| 05:54.36 | jonesy | how do the !start a something war commands work? |
| 05:54.39 | kvn | guestish: You've not gotten the ATI RPMs? |
| 05:54.41 | stew | start a kernel war is <action> hurd will eventually be the de facto kernel |
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| 05:54.45 | stew | !start a kernel war is <action> hurd will eventually be the de facto kernel |
| 05:54.45 | dpkg | ...but start a kernel war is already something else... |
| 05:54.45 | MegaManX | exit |
| 05:54.54 | guestish | !literal cmd: start a kernel war (*.?) |
| 05:54.57 | guestish | hrm... |
| 05:54.58 | Flammifer | !start an editor war |
| 05:54.58 | dpkg | xemacs users are clueballs |
| 05:55.01 | guestish | !literal start a kernel war (*.?) |
| 05:55.04 | guestish | bah |
| 05:55.06 | kvn | guestish: You need to rpm2cpio/cpio them obviously. |
| 05:55.06 | guestish | i forget |
| 05:55.10 | guestish | kvn: or alien |
| 05:55.18 | guestish | lenomade: pray |
| 05:55.26 | Guerin | !literal start a kernel war |
| 05:55.26 | dpkg | start a kernel war is <reply> (2.2 is old and slow|2.4 is buggy as hell|Linus should hand over the job to Alan|Alan is a usurper; long live Linus, the One True Linux Kernel Hacker)! |
| 05:55.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:55.33 | guestish | meh |
| 05:55.35 | guestish | too easy |
| 05:55.36 | Guerin | 2.6 isn't even in there |
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| 05:55.58 | Flammifer | can you edit this dynamically ? :) |
| 05:55.59 | special | alguien habla español ? |
| 05:56.04 | special | someone speak spanish? |
| 05:56.06 | jonesy | Guerin: how did that happen? |
| 05:56.09 | kvn | special: #debian-es |
| 05:56.11 | cafuego | !realspanish special |
| 05:56.11 | dpkg | special: está usted oculto así como retardado? |
| 05:56.16 | guestish | !start a kernel war ~=s/Hacker/Hacker|Linux is better than Linux!/ |
| 05:56.16 | dpkg | that's too long, guestish |
| 05:56.20 | Guerin | !literal start a kernel war =~ s/Hacker!/Hacker!|2.6 is unstable and will break your system and impregnate your cat!/ |
| 05:56.20 | dpkg | Guerin: i didn't have anything called 'literal start a kernel war' |
| 05:56.24 | guestish | what?? |
| 05:56.31 | Guerin | dpkg, start a kernel war =~ s/Hacker!/Hacker!|2.6 is unstable and will break your system and impregnate your cat!/ |
| 05:56.31 | dpkg | Guerin: that doesn't contain 'Hacker!' |
| 05:56.36 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:56.37 | guestish | !start a kernel war =~ s/Hacker/Hacker|Linux is better than Linux!/ |
| 05:56.37 | dpkg | guestish: OK |
| 05:56.38 | guestish | there |
| 05:56.46 | special | someone do run the game MEDAL OF HONOR in debian? |
| 05:56.48 | guestish | !literal start a kernel war |
| 05:56.48 | dpkg | start a kernel war is <reply> (2.2 is old and slow|2.4 is buggy as hell|Linus should hand over the job to Alan|Alan is a usurper; long live Linus, the One True Linux Kernel Hacker|Linux is better than Linux!)! |
| 05:56.57 | Guerin | !literal start a kernel war =~ s/Hacker/Hacker|2.6 is unstable and will break your system and impregnate your cat/ |
| 05:56.57 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'literal start a kernel war', Guerin |
| 05:57.00 | kvn | If you do that in a message it will be a lot less noisy for the rest of us. |
| 05:57.03 | Guerin | !lose me |
| 05:57.04 | dpkg | guerin: You Lose. |
| 05:57.07 | Guerin | !start a kernel war =~ s/Hacker/Hacker|2.6 is unstable and will break your system and impregnate your cat/ |
| 05:57.08 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 05:57.14 | Guerin | sorry |
| 05:57.25 | guestish | !literal start a kernel war |
| 05:57.25 | dpkg | start a kernel war is <reply> (2.2 is old and slow|2.4 is buggy as hell|Linus should hand over the job to Alan|Alan is a usurper; long live Linus, the One True Linux Kernel Hacker|2.6 is unstable and will break your system and impregnate your cat|Linux is better than Linux!)! |
| 05:57.28 | Guerin | fuck |
| 05:57.32 | guestish | fun |
| 05:57.41 | special | someone do run the game MEDAL OF HONOR in debian? i have the 3d aceleration |
| 05:57.42 | Guerin | this is what happens when two people edit at once |
| 05:57.48 | guestish | heh |
| 05:57.50 | guestish | !high five |
| 05:57.51 | dpkg | low five |
| 05:57.58 | guestish | !too slow\ |
| 05:57.58 | stew | !start a kernel war =~ s/slow/slow|hurd will eventually be the de facto kernel/ |
| 05:57.59 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 05:57.59 | special | nobody? |
| 05:57.59 | guestish | !high fiv |
| 05:58.01 | special | nobody? |
| 05:58.02 | special | :s |
| 05:58.09 | guestish | !tell special about cedega |
| 05:58.35 | guestish | stew: hah |
| 05:58.41 | special | guestish, y have the isos of medal of honor, i downloaded of suprnova.org |
| 05:58.49 | guestish | !warez |
| 05:58.51 | dpkg | hmm... warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?strip_id=275, or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 05:59.05 | *** mode/#debian [+l 750] by debhelper |
| 05:59.35 | guestish | special: warez freak |
| 05:59.46 | special | :/ |
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| 05:59.58 | mdh | ironic that someone would steal something called "medal of honour" |
| 06:00.04 | liran | hmm |
| 06:00.08 | doleyb | special: medal of honor is not a linux game. Try WOlfenstein:ET or AmericasArmy. |
| 06:00.10 | guestish | mdh: honor doesnt exist |
| 06:00.12 | liran | I dot know why/ |
| 06:00.25 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.33 | guestish | mdh: it died when people learned how to speak |
| 06:00.54 | guestish | wtf |
| 06:00.54 | kvn | It's true; warez is such a 'shackled by my OS' thing. |
| 06:00.58 | cat | guestish: dont be lamer |
| 06:01.07 | guestish | it was supposed to ping freenode |
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| 06:01.29 | nvz | heh, thats why I take all the commands out of my config |
| 06:01.31 | liran | hey all |
| 06:01.34 | sword_ | man my cpu got worked for a sec when transferring this file |
| 06:01.36 | guestish | flooded my f****** screen |
| 06:01.41 | sword_ | i enabled pci dma in my kernel |
| 06:01.50 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: Serves you right. :) |
| 06:01.52 | sword_ | but for some reason it seems disabled |
| 06:01.53 | liran | I just did apt-get nvidia sources and it downloaded them and installed them |
| 06:02.00 | liran | now what i need to do ? |
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| 06:02.07 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: yeah yeah, i know =\ |
| 06:02.12 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: Heh. |
| 06:02.17 | guestish | !tell liran about nvidia howto |
| 06:02.24 | *** part/#debian special (~idn@164.77.167.78) |
| 06:02.40 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: oh well, at least it wasnt a ver :) |
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| 06:02.44 | liran | guestish i can`t login into any server,im at the bash with bitchx |
| 06:02.49 | Flammifer | liran: did it break anything ? :) |
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| 06:02.52 | liran | can you guide me ? |
| 06:02.56 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: though im sure im going to be "popular" for the next few minutes while people wake up |
| 06:03.02 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: That would have really sucked |
| 06:03.03 | guestish | liran: use elinks |
| 06:03.07 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: Yeah for sure. |
| 06:03.08 | lenomade | omfg! Simply installing 2.6 suddenly fixed x-server. I am very happy |
| 06:03.10 | doleyb | guestish: that howto is incomplete. It doesn't explain how to manually overwrite xlibmesa-dri. |
| 06:03.10 | jetscreamer | okie hey i have had usbfs set up for a while, it's fine. a digital camera: besides the module for the camera (i compiled all those modules) what other modules/something might i need? and where is a site listing cameras and their appropriate modules, if there is one? |
| 06:03.18 | guestish | doleyb: guess what? you dont |
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| 06:03.50 | liran | !dkpg nvidia |
| 06:03.53 | lenomade | omfg, it fixed gpm too! |
| 06:04.01 | lenomade | lol, and shit |
| 06:04.07 | lenomade | thank you. |
| 06:04.16 | guestish | !praise lenomade |
| 06:04.26 | lenomade | prostrates? |
| 06:04.34 | guestish | lenomade: look it up |
| 06:04.41 | debian | !dict prostrate |
| 06:04.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'prostrate' (5 shown; 14 total): throw down flat, as on the ground; "She prostrated herself with frustration" ;; 4. (Bot.) Trailing on the ground; procumbent. ;; Groveling and prostrate on yon lake of fire. --Milton. ;; get into a prostrate position, as in submission ;; 3. To throw down, or cause to fall in humility or adoration; to cause to bow in humble reverence; used reflexively; as, he prostrated himself. --Milman.. |
| 06:04.45 | mdh | lenomade: it's where you can get cancer from |
| 06:04.54 | jetscreamer | !prostate |
| 06:04.56 | Flammifer | so, apart from module-assistant and dpkg-reconfigure, are there other magic words I may want to try to get my nvidia module back to work ? |
| 06:05.04 | guestish | debian: i still cant believe you have that nick... |
| 06:05.07 | lenomade | lol, yeah, heh, sorry the words sound similar |
| 06:05.15 | lenomade | and mdh, no |
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| 06:05.25 | guestish | Flammifer: reinstall it |
| 06:05.26 | debian | guestish: why, bully and bride |
| 06:05.27 | lenomade | that's not it's primary function xP |
| 06:05.28 | doleyb | Flammifer: does it totally not work, or just dri? |
| 06:05.33 | debian | bribe |
| 06:05.52 | guestish | debian: you must be according to the userfriendly comic at the grumpy guru stage :) |
| 06:06.01 | Flammifer | doleyb, I haven't tried anything yet, it's all on another computer on the other end of the campus |
| 06:06.04 | debian | guestish: XD |
| 06:06.10 | mdh | lenomade: humour me. I just had to deal with Total Windows System Upgrade and Install for $CONTRACTOR |
| 06:06.13 | guestish | doleyb: mesa is a software replacement for nvidia and ati's drivers |
| 06:06.30 | Flammifer | doleyb but I have no web access now over thewre ('cause no X), so I try to get whatever info I can here |
| 06:06.37 | doleyb | guestish: right. and since I have a 3d card, I'd like to not have mesa installed. But it's not separable from X11. |
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| 06:06.43 | mdh | "I want whatever your standard system is, except XP Pro, And I want VS 6 instad of .NET, and I already have a virus scanner" |
| 06:06.47 | guestish | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.52 | guestish | !groan |
| 06:06.57 | scarynetworkguy | Flammifer: WTF does web access have to do with X? |
| 06:07.01 | guestish | mdh: i feel your pain |
| 06:07.16 | guestish | Flammifer: elinks, links, links2, lynx |
| 06:07.16 | jetscreamer | ooo "Mount it as SCSI device /dev/sda1 with VFAT filesystem and your are good to go!" |
| 06:07.20 | guestish | Flammifer: w3m, w3 |
| 06:07.26 | Rosa | Is their any recomended things to do befor I do a dual OS partition? Also, is their any recomended programs I use to partition it? |
| 06:07.27 | guestish | Flammifer: telnet, cat |
| 06:07.35 | guestish | Flammifer: ncat |
| 06:07.36 | doleyb | Flammifer: wget |
| 06:07.39 | Flammifer | scarynetworkguy, because I need to log in, and I can only do it through the website |
| 06:07.45 | guestish | Rosa: 1 partition per OS |
| 06:07.45 | jetscreamer | beta.asp.net mdh |
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| 06:07.54 | Rosa | :/ |
| 06:07.58 | Flammifer | but I can access debian mirrors without logging in |
| 06:08.00 | guestish | Rosa: period |
| 06:08.08 | Rosa | I meant computer |
| 06:08.16 | guestish | Rosa: fine, 1 partition per OS |
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| 06:08.19 | doleyb | Flammifer: you can also run X with nv or vesa, without needing nvidia drivers. |
| 06:08.19 | lenomade | lol |
| 06:08.29 | guestish | then there are FBs |
| 06:08.37 | guestish | framebuffers |
| 06:08.40 | lenomade | I could kinda tell what she meant. Rosa, it depends on if you want to change partition sizes |
| 06:08.45 | Flammifer | doleyb : Maybe, I just hope I can get it working as it did before |
| 06:08.54 | Rosa | Not really... |
| 06:09.04 | guestish | Rosa: 1 partition per OS and you will be fine |
| 06:09.06 | lenomade | if you want to just erase everything and install the stuff now, in their place, just use debian's |
| 06:09.12 | Rosa | okay |
| 06:09.17 | guestish | Rosa: windows should be on a primary, linux doesnt matter |
| 06:09.29 | lenomade | same if you want to just delete a logical partition off windows and install debian in its place, like the D drive |
| 06:09.31 | Rosa | that's more of what I was looking for :D |
| 06:09.35 | Rosa | thanks |
| 06:09.36 | guestish | np |
| 06:09.37 | lenomade | but if you want to resize an existing windows partition, get partition magic |
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| 06:09.45 | cafuego | Easiest way is to install windows on partition1, then linux on the rest. |
| 06:09.54 | guestish | cafuego: if thats what you want |
| 06:10.01 | Rosa | I do |
| 06:10.02 | Flammifer | thanx for the help ! *crosses fingers* |
| 06:10.07 | guestish | linux is tiny |
| 06:10.11 | guestish | windows is bloated |
| 06:10.16 | Rosa | XD |
| 06:10.17 | cafuego | guestish: beats installing Linux, then WIndows, then using a boot disk to get the boot manager back. |
| 06:10.22 | lenomade | yes, install windows first because it will complain if there are too many partitions when it tries to install-- like a liux swap partition |
| 06:10.28 | guestish | cafuego: X_X |
| 06:10.42 | cafuego | guestish: That gets REAL boring after 20 times |
| 06:10.44 | guestish | cafuego: that happened to me, painful experience on a computer with sata drives |
| 06:10.52 | guestish | cafuego: only 2.6.x kernels would work |
| 06:11.15 | cafuego | guestish: Not half as painful as moving a windows installed HDD to a new sata box and watching it BSOD |
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| 06:11.28 | cafuego | guestish: Sarge netinst 2.6 kernel does sata just fine :-) |
| 06:11.29 | guestish | cafuego: thats why you dont do that... |
| 06:11.32 | mdh | please don't talk about Windows. My only comment on windows is "47n40,122w07" |
| 06:11.35 | guestish | cafuego: but the cd is crap for rescue |
| 06:11.41 | cafuego | guestish: It was the HD from my melted athlonxp. |
| 06:11.48 | lenomade | mdh, what does that mean? |
| 06:11.49 | guestish | !leet 47n40 122w07 |
| 06:11.50 | dpkg | 47n40 122w07: stfu b4 i shove my sk8 up yer arse myIQ- 180 |
| 06:11.56 | guestish | lol |
| 06:12.01 | guestish | not what i wanted |
| 06:12.03 | cafuego | lenomade: ICBM coordinates. |
| 06:12.04 | guestish | cafuego: ew |
| 06:12.10 | cafuego | lenomade: Looks like seattle. |
| 06:12.38 | mdh | cafuego: close :) |
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| 06:12.58 | cafuego | VAncouver? |
| 06:13.02 | lenomade | it's interesting that windows users find linux hard to use but linux users find windows hard to use. o.o |
| 06:13.05 | cafuego | Nuking them for not assuating the US? |
| 06:13.08 | cafuego | assaulting |
| 06:13.31 | guestish | windows isnt hard to use... |
| 06:13.36 | cafuego | lenomade: Most linux users find WIndows annoying to sue, not necessarily hard. |
| 06:13.43 | lenomade | o |
| 06:14.15 | cafuego | coz you pretty much can't use the CLI, it's too dumbed-down, you need to use that bloated UI for *everything* |
| 06:14.25 | lenomade | heh, a tech friend of mine recently had to fix a guy's broken registry due to windows not liking having thousands of fonts... |
| 06:14.30 | guestish | windows is stupidily easy, they made more problems making it easy to use than anything else |
| 06:14.41 | takatumi | it's a pathetic excuse for an OS. |
| 06:15.20 | mdh | windows: making the easy things easy, and the hard things impossible |
| 06:15.22 | guestish | their "services" make me sick |
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| 06:16.03 | lenomade | I can't imagine how hard it is to manually clean up the windows registry after something goes wrong. It's so big.. that would be awful. |
| 06:16.12 | debian | guestish: they've 'services'? |
| 06:16.13 | guestish | not big, MASSIVE |
| 06:16.22 | guestish | debian: yeah, gotta love it... |
| 06:16.26 | guestish | debian: msconfig.exe |
| 06:16.33 | vook | it's like : click +, click +, click +, click +, click + |
| 06:16.58 | Rosa | vook: concur |
| 06:17.02 | cafuego | lenomade: that's why you reinstall windows twice a year, regardless. |
| 06:17.21 | vook | horrid, same goes for administering Exchange or MSSQL, far more complicated than UNIX SQL and mail servers. |
| 06:17.25 | lenomade | yes, msconfig is much nicer, but many programs try to bypass it and mess you up. All I know about the registry is how to make IE say "M$ Internet Exploder" on the titlebar. |
| 06:17.40 | lenomade | =P |
| 06:17.43 | debian | guestish: I thought you mean human tech support service |
| 06:18.10 | guestish | debian: oh no, thats not what i meant, i meant the 30 daemons always running as a big fat security hole |
| 06:19.03 | *** mode/#debian [+l 738] by debhelper |
| 06:19.27 | mdh | you know debian is one of the few distributions still supporting sparc |
| 06:19.30 | mdh | that's rather sad |
| 06:19.35 | guestish | few? |
| 06:19.42 | guestish | there are 3, and the bsds support it |
| 06:19.48 | guestish | mainly people just use sparc... |
| 06:19.50 | guestish | er, solaris |
| 06:19.53 | mdh | yeah, I took a look recently, sparc support is very dismal |
| 06:19.55 | guestish | its OSed now |
| 06:20.00 | ivan | is there a command to check your bandwidth usage? |
| 06:20.15 | guestish | debian: heh |
| 06:20.19 | guestish | ivan: nload |
| 06:20.21 | stew | ivan: iptraf |
| 06:20.26 | stew | ntop |
| 06:20.27 | ivan | thanks |
| 06:20.28 | debian | SPARC is Craps backward |
| 06:20.37 | guestish | debian: woah, never noticed that |
| 06:20.40 | debian | nothing like a good name |
| 06:20.45 | guestish | yeah, no kididng |
| 06:20.47 | guestish | thats cool |
| 06:21.06 | guestish | !dance |
| 06:21.17 | stew | !congrats guestish |
| 06:21.21 | guestish | =D |
| 06:21.45 | guestish | gonna go down south |
| 06:21.50 | guestish | well, south of me :) |
| 06:22.17 | stew | yeah calling anywhere in CA "down south" doesn't quite seem right |
| 06:22.29 | guestish | :) |
| 06:22.34 | debian | guestish: what the heck is that? |
| 06:22.35 | guestish | dudddeee |
| 06:22.42 | guestish | debian: what the heck is what? |
| 06:22.47 | debian | calpoly san luis obispo |
| 06:22.52 | guestish | |
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| 06:22.55 | guestish | um.. |
| 06:22.57 | guestish | college |
| 06:23.04 | guestish | california polytechincal institute |
| 06:23.22 | guestish | oo, nice |
| 06:23.42 | guestish | well university |
| 06:23.47 | guestish | i got in under engineering :) |
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| 06:23.52 | lenomade | me too, direct admit |
| 06:23.54 | guestish | nice |
| 06:23.57 | guestish | early admit here |
| 06:24.04 | muhoo | qemu vs bochs vs wine. what's the fastest, easiest, cheapest way to get IE running on my sid box? |
| 06:24.06 | guestish | i didnt know UC SC had engineering |
| 06:24.13 | guestish | muhoo: wtf |
| 06:24.15 | lenomade | it has tons |
| 06:24.23 | muhoo | i know wine doesn't work, so acutally that's right out. |
| 06:24.25 | guestish | muhoo: what in the name of all thats holy are you talking about |
| 06:24.30 | guestish | !smite muhoo |
| 06:24.33 | lenomade | they've got CS, CC, EE, even BioInformatics |
| 06:24.35 | muhoo | guestish: there is nothing holy abotu IE |
| 06:24.42 | lenomade | s/CC/CE |
| 06:24.50 | guestish | muhoo: i know, its the spawn of satan |
| 06:24.54 | muhoo | internet exploiter. i need to see what a web page looke like on it |
| 06:24.55 | guestish | lenomade: oh, cool |
| 06:25.04 | guestish | muhoo: my god thats crazy |
| 06:25.13 | muhoo | and i refuse to reboot any machine into windoze just to do that |
| 06:25.14 | guestish | muhoo: anyways you dont, its windows, 100% |
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| 06:25.19 | guestish | muhoo: sorry, no go |
| 06:25.28 | guestish | muhoo: you'll have to load windows into bochs and emulate it |
| 06:25.40 | stew | sounds like fun...not |
| 06:25.44 | muhoo | guestish: i understand that. now... bochs or qemu? |
| 06:25.49 | guestish | muhoo: qemu |
| 06:25.50 | thoreauputic | muhoo: why not just check on a friend's box or go to an internet cafe? |
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| 06:26.02 | lenomade | what are you guys talking about? |
| 06:26.06 | muhoo | thoreauputic: that's not very effective at 2am while i'm fixing a bug ;-) |
| 06:26.12 | blal | Has anyone had problems w/ modules under Linux 2.6? When I compile and boot from a 2.6 kernel, modprobe gives me an error message about "function not implemented". (I wish I had the full error message handy.) Is there some trick to doing modules, as opposed to how 2.4 does them? |
| 06:26.19 | thoreauputic | muhoo: ah, true indeed :) |
| 06:26.25 | stew | blal: woody? |
| 06:26.25 | muhoo | guestish: why qemu not bochs? |
| 06:26.27 | mdh | I wonder if I should leave an ubuntu live cd in $CONTRACTOR's dvd drive :) |
| 06:26.29 | jm_ | blal: apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 06:26.30 | guestish | muhoo: if it supports windows, else you have to use the slow beast named bochs |
| 06:26.34 | guestish | muhoo: vmware is the best to use |
| 06:26.42 | guestish | muhoo: bochs is ssslllooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 06:26.53 | guestish | mdh: heh, he'll chuck it |
| 06:27.13 | muhoo | guestish: i've used bochs for evaluating and testing linux bootfloppies, livecd's etc |
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| 06:27.28 | muhoo | haven't tried windoze on it yet. |
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| 06:27.32 | guestish | muhoo: think about it this way, windows is bloated and slow, bochs emulates hardware in software, make the connection :) |
| 06:27.35 | blal | jm_: Yay! Thanks. /msg dpkg module-init-tools gave me a little more info. |
| 06:27.48 | muhoo | guestish: what's different abotu qemu? |
| 06:27.56 | muhoo | is it a virtualisation instead of emulation? |
| 06:27.58 | guestish | muhoo: just emulates the cpu afaik |
| 06:28.09 | guestish | muhoo: nvm |
| 06:28.17 | guestish | muhoo: simulates all BUT the cpu |
| 06:28.21 | guestish | muhoo: meaning speed boost |
| 06:28.35 | lenomade | is it possible to burn a rewritable CD and play it in an audio cd player? |
| 06:28.43 | guestish | lenomade: no |
| 06:28.46 | lenomade | oh |
| 06:28.52 | lenomade | why's that? |
| 06:29.01 | guestish | RW are not supported in most cd players |
| 06:29.03 | guestish | unless they are mp3 |
| 06:29.19 | lenomade | the cd player, or the files? |
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| 06:29.28 | guestish | both |
| 06:29.34 | muhoo | guestish: ah |
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| 06:29.56 | muhoo | ok, i got it, if the sid package of it is usable, i'll try it tonite. |
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| 06:30.06 | muhoo | qemu here we come. |
| 06:30.09 | guestish | muhoo: bochs is a true emulator, meaning speed hit |
| 06:30.34 | guestish | muhoo: vmware like i said is the best |
| 06:30.37 | muhoo | guestish: thanks. off i go.... somewhere i have a lose98 cdrom, and i have an ugly project ahead of me |
| 06:30.41 | jetscreamer | hey what is scsi0 in /dev |
| 06:30.49 | muhoo | guestish: i ain't spending money on this ;-) but thanks. |
| 06:30.50 | stew | /dev/sda |
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| 06:31.11 | jetscreamer | ah so not sda1 but sda |
| 06:31.20 | guestish | heh |
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| 06:31.32 | guestish | sda is a disk, sda1 is a parittion |
| 06:31.33 | guestish | partition |
| 06:31.45 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: J E T S C R E A M E R :-) |
| 06:31.53 | jetscreamer | it's a camera, and the usb mount msg said scsi0 |
| 06:31.56 | guestish | streuner_: you can spell! :) |
| 06:32.16 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner--------------->>->- |
| 06:32.41 | jetscreamer | but i tried to mound sda1 and it said not valid block device |
| 06:32.46 | jetscreamer | mount even |
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| 06:32.59 | guestish | jetscreamer: scsi disk support |
| 06:33.15 | jetscreamer | have it ... lemme check... maybe module |
| 06:33.26 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: official kernel? |
| 06:33.40 | jetscreamer | heh heck no :) i like toys |
| 06:34.59 | streuner_ | guestish: got the same (no valid block device) with my CDR yesterday ... ;-) |
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| 06:35.09 | jetscreamer | okie i put disk, do i need emulation or generic? |
| 06:35.20 | jm_ | kernel logs will tell you exact device name, then there's /proc/partitions |
| 06:35.30 | guestish | streuner_: heh |
| 06:35.30 | coywolf | can debian use windows printers? |
| 06:35.39 | guestish | coywolf: whats a windows printer? |
| 06:35.41 | jm_ | neither, you need SCSI disk support (the clue is in sd*, not sg*) |
| 06:35.56 | coywolf | guestish, a printer connected to a windows pc |
| 06:36.00 | jetscreamer | yeah i just loaded that, wasn't sure if i needed the others |
| 06:36.08 | streuner_ | jm_: and what's the name of it? |
| 06:36.09 | guestish | coywolf: cups |
| 06:36.10 | jetscreamer | coywolf sure |
| 06:36.16 | jm_ | streuner_: the name of what ? |
| 06:36.19 | coywolf | jetscreamer, how to |
| 06:36.23 | jetscreamer | sd_mod |
| 06:36.31 | streuner_ | here we go :-) |
| 06:36.33 | jetscreamer | is the scsi disk one3. |
| 06:36.51 | jetscreamer | i said i just loaded it :) so i don't need those others eh |
| 06:37.06 | coywolf | jetscreamer, can debian find the printer? |
| 06:37.09 | jetscreamer | coywolf, cups like guestish said |
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| 06:37.20 | coywolf | !find cups |
| 06:37.21 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'cups' (15 shown; 21 total): apcupsd ;; apcupsd-doc ;; bluez-cups ;; cups-pdf ;; cupsomatic-ppd ;; cupsys ;; cupsys-bsd ;; cupsys-client ;; cupsys-driver-gimpprint ;; cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data ;; cupsys-pt ;; gnome-cups-manager ;; libcupsimage2 ;; libcupsimage2-dev ;; libcupsys2. |
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| 06:37.30 | vda | How do i make a sensors detect? |
| 06:37.42 | jetscreamer | coywolf needs a good cups how-to |
| 06:37.45 | jetscreamer | !cups |
| 06:37.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it. what breast size?, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 06:37.49 | guestish | !cups howto |
| 06:37.53 | guestish | hrm, nothing |
| 06:37.58 | jm_ | vda: strangely enough, there's a command called sensors-detect |
| 06:38.05 | jetscreamer | !cups setup |
| 06:38.05 | dpkg | somebody said cups setup was Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! |
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| 06:39.36 | jetscreamer | whoohooo! \o/ |
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| 06:40.01 | guestish | g'night |
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| 06:42.08 | lenomade | ...wtf. Oh no. My desktop is too small to hit the 'next' button in firefox setup. =P |
| 06:42.09 | jetscreamer | does 'anyone' know what a .thm file found in the subdirectory holding the pictures.jpg does? |
| 06:42.18 | `Gumby | can anyone tell me the command to show which service is listening on a specific port? |
| 06:42.36 | jm_ | netstat,fuser,lsof |
| 06:42.43 | streuner_ | What line do you have in /etc/fstab for 'CDROM' - '/dev/cdrom /cdrom blablah'? |
| 06:42.44 | stew | lenomade: can you move the window with meta-left drag? |
| 06:42.48 | jm_ | wait, I didn't answer your question - /msg dpkg anyone |
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| 06:43.03 | jm_ | streuner_: I have none, I use autofs |
| 06:43.11 | `Gumby | jetscreamer: quich search on google found this. http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=THM |
| 06:43.32 | lenomade | I can't make the window smaller... |
| 06:43.44 | lenomade | oh wait, there we go |
| 06:43.47 | `Gumby | lenomade: tab+enter |
| 06:43.48 | lenomade | top left corner works. |
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| 06:44.55 | lenomade | couldn't open xpistub library |
| 06:45.04 | jetscreamer | is there a known proggy that is designed to view and rename pictures? |
| 06:45.14 | peterrooney | `Gumby: package harden-doc has a nifty script called 'serviceaudit.sh' that does that |
| 06:46.00 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: why, gqview isn't what you want? |
| 06:46.03 | fbtab | greetings all |
| 06:46.10 | `Gumby | peterrooney: netstat -tpan |grep port# was what I was looking for |
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| 06:46.22 | bhuvan | hi to all |
| 06:46.28 | bhuvan | hairy_potter are you thier |
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| 06:46.56 | jetscreamer | gqview? |
| 06:46.59 | streuner_ | !info gqview |
| 06:46.59 | bhuvan | i tryed all the thing's which you said about loading grub in to MBR noting worked every thing failed |
| 06:47.02 | dpkg | gqview: (A simple image viewer using GTK+), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 618 kB, Installed size: 1936 kB |
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| 06:47.27 | bhuvan | * |
| 06:47.36 | Saint-Kid | how do you install Video::Frequencies.pm using apt-get ? |
| 06:47.46 | bhuvan | !info grub |
| 06:47.49 | dpkg | grub: (GRand Unified Bootloader), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.95+cvs20040624-12 (sid), Packaged size: 349 kB, Installed size: 668 kB |
| 06:48.00 | Leenux | £¡info lilo |
| 06:48.20 | bhuvan | !info gimp |
| 06:48.22 | Leenux | !info lilo |
| 06:48.23 | dpkg | gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program, stable version 2.0), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2912 kB, Installed size: 7600 kB |
| 06:48.26 | dpkg | lilo: (LInux LOader - The Classic OS loader can load Linux and others), section base, is optional. Version: 1:22.6.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 340 kB, Installed size: 985 kB |
| 06:48.37 | takatumi | bhuvan: tried grub-install /dev/HD? |
| 06:48.39 | jetscreamer | !tell bhuvan about /msg dpkg |
| 06:49.01 | bhuvan | ok jetscreamer |
| 06:49.23 | bhuvan | takatumi i tried but it is saying permission denied |
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| 06:49.46 | jetscreamer | bhuvan, as root? |
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| 06:50.19 | bhuvan | actually the prob is i had sarge and windows 98 |
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| 06:50.43 | bhuvan | win98 was fromated or was reinstalled erasing the grub bootloader in the mbr |
| 06:50.55 | jetscreamer | lilo just works when set up right, it even has an example at the bottom of lilo.conf, commented out. |
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| 06:51.00 | bhuvan | so when ever i power on the system i get win98 |
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| 06:51.07 | GLiTCH2K4 | hello |
| 06:51.09 | bhuvan | it is not showing me any boot menu's |
| 06:51.12 | takatumi | grub works fine as well. |
| 06:51.21 | jetscreamer | well grub works, but i don't know how to use it. |
| 06:51.42 | infinity_ | win98? thats the new version of windows with winFS isn't it? can i get a copy? |
| 06:51.54 | jetscreamer | did you do the update-grub thing? |
| 06:51.56 | bhuvan | no no it is windows 98 |
| 06:52.01 | jetscreamer | or is it grub-update |
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| 06:52.10 | infinity_ | lol |
| 06:52.12 | bhuvan | yes i did but it say's permission denied |
| 06:52.14 | GLiTCH2K4 | i have just installed the debian os.... and i have an onboard intel 82845g chipset... what driver can i use to get X to start so i can get a new driver ? |
| 06:52.15 | takatumi | bhuvan: boot from a live CD, chroot to / run apt-get install grub |
| 06:52.17 | Matt_D | hi |
| 06:52.21 | GLiTCH2K4 | right now it wonts start at all |
| 06:52.28 | jetscreamer | bhuvan, permission denied as root? |
| 06:52.39 | bhuvan | yup jetscreamer |
| 06:52.54 | bhuvan | i chrooted in but the prob persistes |
| 06:53.08 | MattD | can some one help me |
| 06:53.19 | bhuvan | GLiTCH2K4 select i810 |
| 06:53.24 | MattD | im on a quest to find teh best linux distro is debian a sutible distro for a web server? |
| 06:53.24 | GLiTCH2K4 | i did |
| 06:53.28 | takatumi | bhuvan: how did you mount the drive? |
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| 06:53.37 | GLiTCH2K4 | it days that there is a sever error... no display exists |
| 06:53.39 | lenomade | MattD: yes |
| 06:53.48 | GLiTCH2K4 | that is what it is set to now |
| 06:53.51 | bhuvan | actually i has a copy of knoppix 3.6 |
| 06:53.57 | GLiTCH2K4 | and xserver cant start because of this |
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| 06:54.00 | jetscreamer | MattD, the question is, are you worthy of Debian |
| 06:54.02 | bhuvan | live cd and booted form it and then chroot |
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| 06:54.21 | MattD | am i worthy |
| 06:54.22 | MattD | lol |
| 06:54.32 | cafuego | MattD: It's probably the best one, because you can (in theory) make it fetch and apply patches (when available) all by itself. |
| 06:54.34 | bhuvan | GLiTCH2K4: then select vesa |
| 06:54.40 | takatumi | bhuvan: mount the drive before chroot |
| 06:54.42 | GLiTCH2K4 | how? |
| 06:54.45 | MattD | ill download it 1000 times shit on it fart on it and then ill be worthy |
| 06:54.46 | MattD | :D |
| 06:54.47 | GLiTCH2K4 | thats my question |
| 06:54.54 | cafuego | MattD: What sort of stuff will the webserver host? |
| 06:55.05 | MattD | apache, php, postgresql, ftp client |
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| 06:55.11 | MattD | thats it |
| 06:55.15 | bhuvan | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:55.16 | MattD | ftp server i ment |
| 06:55.17 | jetscreamer | !congratulate MattD |
| 06:55.18 | dpkg | Huzzah MattD, you did it! |
| 06:55.19 | cafuego | MattD: Debian Woody (stable) will be fine, then. |
| 06:55.23 | GLiTCH2K4 | what directory do i need to be in .. and what is the name of the command i need to run in order to change that |
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| 06:55.31 | alexack | how do I turn boot logging on? |
| 06:55.36 | MattD | lol |
| 06:55.39 | jetscreamer | GLiTCH2K4, just do that as root |
| 06:55.43 | infinity_ | alexack: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 06:55.46 | alexack | dpkg boot.log |
| 06:55.47 | dpkg | alexack: I give up, what is it? |
| 06:55.51 | MattD | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.59 | jetscreamer | late* |
| 06:56.07 | takatumi | alexack: /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 06:56.08 | MattD | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.10 | alexack | infinity_, thats what I was looking for |
| 06:56.14 | MattD | :( |
| 06:56.16 | alexack | er takatumi I think thats it |
| 06:56.17 | GLiTCH2K4 | ok thanks ill bbl hopefully in debian |
| 06:56.27 | bhuvan | takatumi: i mounted the drive |
| 06:56.30 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite MattD |
| 06:56.41 | MattD | !congratulate jetscreamer |
| 06:56.41 | infinity_ | oops. i wsa wrong |
| 06:56.42 | dpkg | Huzzah jetscreamer, you did it! |
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| 06:56.55 | jetscreamer | dpkg is cool |
| 06:56.56 | dpkg | jetscreamer: bugger all, i dunno |
| 06:57.00 | alexack | now to reboot and log away :) |
| 06:57.05 | cafuego | omg omg omg |
| 06:57.05 | MattD | ok |
| 06:57.09 | MattD | so how easy is debian |
| 06:57.11 | alexack | thanks takatumi thats exactly what I was looking for |
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| 06:57.19 | cafuego | MattD: Varies from "very" or "not at all". |
| 06:57.23 | MattD | and is there a option just to install server mode |
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| 06:57.26 | bhuvan | it is as esy as you think of it |
| 06:57.26 | cafuego | MattD: How smart are you and can you read? |
| 06:57.34 | voltagex | gcc 3.5.5 can't create execuyables |
| 06:57.35 | jetscreamer | depends on how adventuresome you are, really |
| 06:57.35 | MattD | how hard is it to install hardware |
| 06:57.36 | MattD | read? |
| 06:57.45 | TheStar | MattD: Dude, if Debian is only good for one thing only, it's as a server. |
| 06:57.48 | cafuego | MattD: Normally you'd install the base system and add ONLY what you need. |
| 06:57.48 | voltagex | 3.3.5 I mean |
| 06:58.00 | jetscreamer | woody is old |
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| 06:58.08 | TheStar | Woody is actually quite nice. |
| 06:58.11 | MattD | ok so is there a quick faq to getting set up in less than 12 hours? |
| 06:58.14 | cafuego | MattD: How hard it is to install hardware depends on the hardware, not ther distro. |
| 06:58.18 | TheStar | Just downgraded from unstable. |
| 06:58.19 | jetscreamer | woody is tight |
| 06:58.31 | jetscreamer | but old |
| 06:58.35 | TheStar | What I miss most is update-rc.d |
| 06:58.36 | infinity_ | cafuego: and the quality of the hardware |
| 06:58.39 | jetscreamer | but > d-i |
| 06:58.53 | cafuego | infinity_: realtek is shiteware, not hardware ;-) |
| 06:58.57 | jetscreamer | need the old school |
| 06:58.59 | infinity_ | lol |
| 06:59.10 | voltagex | i really need gcc to work |
| 06:59.23 | TheStar | My other issue is the peculiar word wrapping "mail" does the mail with... |
| 06:59.29 | cafuego | !hardware |
| 06:59.29 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 06:59.33 | TheStar | When I send an email with it, it looks... Wierd. |
| 06:59.49 | cafuego | dpkg, hardware is also hardware, n: the parts of a computer that can be kicked. |
| 06:59.49 | dpkg | that's too long, cafuego |
| 06:59.55 | cafuego | dpkg: shut your face |
| 06:59.55 | dpkg | bite me |
| 07:00.07 | voltagex | dpkg: be nice |
| 07:00.07 | dpkg | [be nice] don't be mean, be nice.. |
| 07:00.19 | bhuvan | dpkg it is ok |
| 07:00.19 | dpkg | bhuvan: I think you lost me on that one |
| 07:00.19 | voltagex | dpkg: be nice -n 20 dpkg |
| 07:00.19 | dpkg | wish i knew, voltagex |
| 07:00.22 | MattD | is dpkg a bot? |
| 07:00.25 | TheStar | dpkg: Woo! I like your attitude! |
| 07:00.25 | dpkg | wish i knew, TheStar |
| 07:00.27 | cafuego | MattD: yeah |
| 07:00.33 | MattD | ok |
| 07:00.35 | cafuego | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 07:00.36 | dpkg | cafuego: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:00.39 | voltagex | killall dpkg |
| 07:00.43 | TheStar | MattD: He uses some 15 MB ram. |
| 07:00.44 | MattD | i love u dpkg :) |
| 07:00.47 | MattD | woo |
| 07:00.50 | cafuego | voltagex: killall blootbot actually. |
| 07:00.55 | voltagex | ah yes |
| 07:00.57 | bhuvan | dpkg killall |
| 07:00.57 | dpkg | it has been said that killall is a bad idea on non GNU platforms, or ok on BSD, too |
| 07:01.01 | lenomade | what apt source can I get libxpcom.so from? |
| 07:01.06 | cafuego | MattD: So, what hardware does this webserver comprise of? |
| 07:01.15 | streuner_ | !find libxpcom.so |
| 07:01.16 | cafuego | !find libxpcom |
| 07:01.16 | MattD | dam who progamed dpkg cause it is good |
| 07:01.17 | stew | lenomade: /msg dpkg search |
| 07:01.17 | TheStar | What does killall do on non-GNU platforms? |
| 07:01.24 | TheStar | MattD: Basically he's old. |
| 07:01.25 | cafuego | !who made you |
| 07:01.25 | dpkg | xk did. |
| 07:01.27 | infinity_ | lenomade: search on packages.debian.org |
| 07:01.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libxpcom.so' (4 shown): (/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/libxpcom.so) in web/mozilla-firefox ;; (/usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/libxpcom.so) in mail/mozilla-thunderbird ;; (/usr/lib/openoffice/program/libxpcom.so) in editors/openoffice.org-bin ;; (/usr/lib/libxpcom.so, /usr/lib/mozilla/libxpcom.so) in web/mozilla-browser. |
| 07:01.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libxpcom' (3 shown; 4 total): (/usr/lib/openoffice/program/libxpcom.so) in editors/openoffice.org-bin ;; (/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/components/libxpcom_compat_c.so, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/{libxpcom.so|libxpcom_compat.so}) in web/mozilla-firefox ;; (/usr/lib/mozilla/libxpcom.so, /usr/lib/{libxpcom.so|libxpcom_compat.so}, /usr/lib/mozilla/components/libxpcom_compat_c.so) in web/mozilla-browser. |
| 07:01.29 | TheStar | MattD: So he has alot of responses. |
| 07:01.31 | stew | !what are you |
| 07:01.31 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 07:01.38 | cafuego | !where are you |
| 07:01.38 | dpkg | I am located at Latitude: 33.9695129 Longitude: -117.3275986 |
| 07:01.40 | TheStar | !blootbot |
| 07:01.40 | dpkg | from memory, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 07:01.41 | cafuego | !are you |
| 07:01.45 | bhuvan | dpkg is very nice and friendly |
| 07:01.45 | dpkg | bhuvan: are you smoking crack? |
| 07:01.55 | cafuego | bhuvan: you sure? ;-) |
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| 07:02.08 | TheStar | dpkg: What language do you speak/ |
| 07:02.08 | MattD | dpkg ur god |
| 07:02.09 | thoreauputic | TheStar: kills *everything*, I believe :) |
| 07:02.09 | dpkg | TheStar: are you smoking crack? |
| 07:02.09 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, MattD |
| 07:02.11 | TheStar | dpkg: What language do you speak? |
| 07:02.15 | dpkg | TheStar: i haven't a clue |
| 07:02.20 | voltagex | I like sgeigerbt better though |
| 07:02.21 | TheStar | dpkg: What are you written in? |
| 07:02.23 | dpkg | TheStar: what are you talking about? |
| 07:02.23 | voltagex | bot* |
| 07:02.24 | MattD | dpkg have u head sex |
| 07:02.25 | dpkg | MattD: i haven't a clue |
| 07:02.28 | MattD | lol |
| 07:02.38 | voltagex | MattD: can you spell |
| 07:02.39 | cafuego | TheStar: Nothing, since the command doesn't exist on those platforms. |
| 07:02.41 | bhuvan | dpkg lol |
| 07:02.41 | dpkg | methinks lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one! |
| 07:02.49 | streuner_ | MattD: /j #debian-bots |
| 07:02.57 | bhuvan | dpkg dude |
| 07:02.57 | dpkg | bhuvan: wish i knew |
| 07:02.58 | MattD | OMG |
| 07:03.00 | MattD | ur all bots |
| 07:03.05 | thoreauputic | cafuego: doesn't exist on solaris? |
| 07:03.06 | MattD | dam it |
| 07:03.07 | cafuego | !ur |
| 07:03.07 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 07:03.10 | bhuvan | dpkg OMG |
| 07:03.10 | dpkg | from memory, omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 07:03.16 | TheStar | MattD: Only a few of us are. |
| 07:03.21 | voltagex | why won't my gcc create executables?????????????? |
| 07:03.34 | TheStar | MattD: cafuego and apt are also bots. |
| 07:03.34 | stew | !b-e voltagex |
| 07:03.35 | MattD | dpkg: have u had sex? |
| 07:03.35 | dpkg | voltagex: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 07:03.35 | thoreauputic | !b-e |
| 07:03.36 | dpkg | MattD: no idea |
| 07:03.36 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 07:03.38 | cafuego | TheStar: Notably sgeigerbot, Phated and bob2. |
| 07:03.52 | bhuvan | dpkg i am off |
| 07:03.53 | dpkg | it is my pleasure to meet you, bhuvan |
| 07:03.56 | cafuego | TheStar: bugger all, I dunno |
| 07:03.57 | Phated | Eh, cafuego? |
| 07:04.04 | TheStar | cafuego: Looks like you beat me :( |
| 07:04.06 | cafuego | Phated: botsnack |
| 07:04.11 | Phated | cafuego: :) |
| 07:04.12 | MattD | dpkg u on weed? |
| 07:04.13 | dpkg | MattD: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 07:04.19 | MattD | lol |
| 07:04.30 | bhuvan | hey is raja in the room |
| 07:04.30 | stew | Phated: wuffle cafuego |
| 07:04.31 | Phated | Oh so now I'm a bot? |
| 07:04.33 | bhuvan | hello raja |
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| 07:04.40 | raja | bhuvan, hi do i know you |
| 07:04.45 | TheStar | dpkg: Are you a bot? |
| 07:04.47 | dpkg | TheStar: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 07:04.47 | cafuego | Phated: Until there's some sound evidence to the contrary, yeah. |
| 07:04.48 | MattD | phated: who made ylu? |
| 07:04.49 | zignig | !wuffle |
| 07:04.52 | MattD | you? |
| 07:04.52 | voltagex | gah it's broken |
| 07:04.54 | Phated | MattD: Dunno. |
| 07:04.58 | bhuvan | no but your name sound's like an indian name |
| 07:04.59 | TheStar | dpkg: I'm off. |
| 07:04.59 | dpkg | TheStar: I give up, what is it? |
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| 07:05.01 | voltagex | b-e is broken |
| 07:05.03 | streuner_ | TheStar: /j #debian-bots |
| 07:05.24 | raja | bhuvan, so wha |
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| 07:05.36 | bhuvan | raja: i thought you are form india |
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| 07:05.37 | cafuego | MattD: So, what hardware does this webserver comprise of? |
| 07:05.43 | bhuvan | raja: since i am from india |
| 07:05.50 | raja | congrats |
| 07:05.56 | MattD | umm aus p4c800 mobo |
| 07:06.00 | raja | there are people from 6 continents here |
| 07:06.01 | infinity_ | cafuego: a bot and a smartass between the chair and the keyboard. |
| 07:06.11 | mdh | TheStar: in soviet russia, perl learns YOU |
| 07:06.13 | infinity_ | :) |
| 07:06.14 | MattD | asus mobo* |
| 07:06.20 | MattD | p4 2.8 non hyper cpu |
| 07:06.24 | MattD | 512 ram |
| 07:06.34 | cafuego | MattD: serial ata? |
| 07:06.34 | TheStar | mdh: :) |
| 07:06.41 | MattD | umm a fan for cool air flow |
| 07:06.47 | MattD | a lg cd writer |
| 07:06.47 | thoreauputic | mdh: in Korea, only old people can read Perl |
| 07:06.48 | bhuvan | raja: i do know that any way can you help me on how to install grub in to MBR |
| 07:06.53 | MattD | and a 80gb hdd |
| 07:07.03 | MattD | sata yes |
| 07:07.05 | raja | bhuvan, man grab |
| 07:07.07 | raja | grub |
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| 07:07.13 | bhuvan | every thing over man |
| 07:07.14 | MattD | raja: are u a bot? |
| 07:07.17 | cafuego | MattD: Ok. Debian woody (stable) does not support sata. At all. |
| 07:07.20 | bhuvan | rest every thing failed |
| 07:07.26 | TheStar | I want to learn perl so th at I can understand how to write perl regexp's for things like spamassassin. |
| 07:07.26 | raja | mattd: no, sorry |
| 07:07.36 | thoreauputic | MattD: practically everyone in #debian is a bot |
| 07:07.38 | MattD | cafuego what??!?!?!!?!??!!? i can use a pata |
| 07:07.39 | infinity_ | i always grub grub. you can eat it if you can find the bits on the platter. |
| 07:07.46 | cafuego | MattD: You can go with Debian sarge (testing) but do keep in mind there are no security updates for that as of yet. |
| 07:07.58 | MattD | ill stick to woody |
| 07:08.00 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: start with perldoc perlretut; |
| 07:08.03 | MattD | what doe sarge, woody and all mean |
| 07:08.04 | MattD | ? |
| 07:08.08 | TheStar | cafuego: If you upgrade the kernel (compile), I'm sure it does support sata? |
| 07:08.12 | stew | TheStar: you don't need to learn perl to learn regex, not that learning perl isn't a fine idea anyway |
| 07:08.14 | dondelelcaro | MattD: read the FAQ |
| 07:08.16 | bhuvan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.21 | MattD | I DOTN READ THE FAQ |
| 07:08.24 | MattD | SO GO FLAP UR SELF |
| 07:08.29 | cafuego | MattD: They're release names. Woody is the current stable release. Sarge the current testing, soon to be stable. |
| 07:08.47 | cafuego | MattD: tip: don't say that to channel ops. |
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| 07:08.49 | TheStar | stew: I'm also wanting to learn a langauge that's better than bash, but just as simple to call other programs. |
| 07:08.51 | eggy | ach |
| 07:08.53 | eggy | EOPTJare't |
| 07:08.54 | dondelelcaro | MattD: if you're not willing to read the FAQ, you're going to be hard pressed to get help here. Also, stop using caps, or you will be devoiced. |
| 07:09.05 | MattD | dondelelcaro a op? |
| 07:09.06 | mdh | thoreauputic: (I get the meme) but rubbish, nobody reads Perl. It's a write-only language |
| 07:09.09 | MattD | he dosent look like one |
| 07:09.17 | TheStar | MattD: Assume everyone is an op. See freenode's policy. |
| 07:09.18 | cafuego | MattD: They're stealthy here |
| 07:09.28 | Phated | <cue Pink Panther theme> |
| 07:09.34 | MattD | lol |
| 07:09.40 | cafuego | MattD: If I hit him over the head and poke him in the eyes his cloak will fail |
| 07:09.42 | TheStar | MattD: Something to do with the "temperature" of a room. |
| 07:09.47 | streuner_ | MattD: read the guidelines (/msg dpkg guidelines) |
| 07:09.57 | thoreauputic | mdh: heh - I'm glad to hear it - I knew there was a reason it was incomprehensible to me ;) |
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| 07:10.10 | Phated | No, a spork! |
| 07:10.39 | Phated | Wot's a snork? |
| 07:10.40 | Granden | HI! |
| 07:10.44 | MattD | mdh |
| 07:10.45 | MattD | wtf? |
| 07:10.48 | MattD | who is he |
| 07:10.52 | dondelelcaro | Phated: the spoon/knife/fork |
| 07:10.55 | Phated | Good lord, Granden, drop the perky. |
| 07:10.58 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ahhh. |
| 07:11.00 | cafuego | MattD: Some lamer from australia |
| 07:11.02 | Granden | Can some one help me to choose which torrent I need for debian |
| 07:11.04 | MattD | woot |
| 07:11.08 | MattD | im from australia |
| 07:11.09 | stew | pork is scarier than spork |
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| 07:11.15 | MattD | nice to meet u mdh |
| 07:11.17 | Phated | Hey I -like- pork. |
| 07:11.22 | dondelelcaro | Phated: it's got a "serated" edge attached to the side |
| 07:11.31 | cafuego | stew: You say that now, but wait until you see tyhe spork STREET SIGN! |
| 07:11.34 | MattD | whats this mean? |
| 07:11.35 | MattD | 1) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 2) Don't repeat questions. Read and grow; show growth in new questions. 3) Reading technical documentation is a skill, please persevere, it's worth it. 4) If your problem isn't solved, come back a few hours or days later. 5) Please use /msg to talk to the bots. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood, not here. 8) Don't use colours or bold, do not run scripts. 9) No Trolls. 10) see <msg> |
| 07:11.35 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Fascinating. |
| 07:11.51 | Granden | Which is the newest debian realse? |
| 07:11.57 | stew | Granden: woody |
| 07:12.04 | cafuego | Brisvegas, I see. |
| 07:12.13 | thoreauputic | MattD: literacy or language issues? |
| 07:12.15 | lenomade | alright, I'm getting the same sarge pseudo-problem I did on my other sarge machine |
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| 07:12.18 | streuner_ | MattD: that are general rules for this channel, you should pay attention to it... |
| 07:12.27 | Elmoe | Is the new modprobe.d stuff documented somewhere? |
| 07:12.30 | TheStar | MattD: And for any channel, really. |
| 07:12.36 | MattD | o ok |
| 07:12.36 | cafuego | stew: www.cafuego.net/i/spork.jpg |
| 07:12.39 | MattD | im new to irc |
| 07:12.54 | voltagex | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:12.55 | thoreauputic | 6) is more honoured in the breach than the observance, methinks |
| 07:13.00 | cafuego | Elmoe: Perhaps the module-init-tools docs dir |
| 07:13.02 | stew | wtf |
| 07:13.04 | stew | <MattD> hi bot how do we have bumb sex with debian |
| 07:13.10 | Granden | Can someone help me choose the right debian image??? pm me plz |
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| 07:13.21 | Phated | No we will not pm you. Shoo. |
| 07:13.25 | cafuego | Granden: Right for what? |
| 07:13.27 | lenomade | everything says something like 'perl: warning: Setting locale failed.' |
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| 07:13.33 | Elmoe | cafuego: yeah no docs there |
| 07:13.35 | MattD | err stew i didnt do that? |
| 07:13.44 | streuner_ | lenomade: apt-get install localeconf |
| 07:13.45 | Elmoe | cafuego: first place I checked heh |
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| 07:13.58 | cafuego | Elmoe: Kernel source tree docs? |
| 07:14.03 | MattD | i guess ur bot has a frame people capabilites... |
| 07:14.07 | Granden | For my workstation |
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| 07:14.23 | infinity_ | these are the weirdest converstaions i've seen here. |
| 07:14.24 | stew | MattD: stfu |
| 07:14.25 | cafuego | Granden: Do you hve a broadband internet connection? |
| 07:14.26 | MattD | graden are u an ansector of gandalf the wizarD? |
| 07:14.30 | Granden | yup |
| 07:14.38 | dondelelcaro | lenomade: dpkg-reconfigure locales; and build the correct locale |
| 07:14.51 | cafuego | Granden: Intel x86 based? |
| 07:14.59 | Granden | Its an Amd |
| 07:14.59 | voltagex | x |
| 07:15.01 | infinity_ | this is better than watching jerry springer |
| 07:15.07 | Jenns | G'day folks, I'm looking for a nice firewall/ids package which can detect outbound port scans and take some sort of action i.e lock out the ip getting scanned or alert me via email |
| 07:15.13 | MattD | Jeens |
| 07:15.13 | Elmoe | cafuego: I thought it was Debian specific |
| 07:15.21 | MattD | get nortons firewall 2005 |
| 07:15.23 | infinity_ | people asking how to bumb phuk debian. wow. doesn't get any better |
| 07:15.24 | cafuego | Granden: XP, 64, Opteron, Sempron? |
| 07:15.29 | Granden | XP |
| 07:15.47 | simonrvn | snort |
| 07:15.48 | cafuego | Elmoe: The files there yes, not the syntax of what's in them. |
| 07:15.52 | Jenns | MattD I'm after something thats preferabley in the debian archive ;-) |
| 07:16.02 | cafuego | Elmoe: If you want to add stuff, just create ANY new file there and put in your options. |
| 07:16.11 | cafuego | Granden: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:16.13 | sep | MattD, he is in irc support channel debian, i guess he is maybe running the debian operative system you know |
| 07:16.15 | mdh | oh shit, Queenslanders! There goes the planet |
| 07:16.16 | MattD | Jenns: Noetons Internet Sercurity Might work better then |
| 07:16.21 | simonrvn | Jenns: snort |
| 07:16.23 | cafuego | mdh: ;-) |
| 07:16.30 | Jenns | snort? ta |
| 07:16.50 | simonrvn | MattD: wha? norton? bah |
| 07:16.52 | Elmoe | cafuego: oh cool I thought it was special somehow |
| 07:16.55 | sep | Jenns, shorewall for firewall + snort to detect stuff, and you can probably script the _inbetween_ |
| 07:17.01 | Elmoe | cafuego: thanks for the tip |
| 07:17.05 | dondelelcaro | Jenns: I'd start with just the modification... reactive firewalls tend to have issues. |
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| 07:17.14 | Granden | Cafuego: is that really the newest? |
| 07:17.19 | cafuego | Elmoe: Nah, works the same way as under the old 2.4 kernerls, just in a different directory. |
| 07:17.30 | cafuego | Granden: No, but it will work just fine for you. |
| 07:17.33 | Elmoe | cafuego: damn lm85 module isn't detecting my chip automatically, have to force it by giving the address of the i2c bus |
| 07:17.40 | Granden | IOk |
| 07:17.41 | cafuego | Elmoe: yuck :-) |
| 07:17.57 | Granden | Is it hard to install an ATI Graphic card drivers on it? |
| 07:17.57 | dondelelcaro | s/modification/notification/ |
| 07:17.59 | Elmoe | cafuego: you're telling me, still can't figure out why I can just talk it over the isa bus either |
| 07:18.00 | Jenns | yeah I know dondelelcaro :-( I realise the potential for a denial of service if a user on my system scans google.com and my firewall locks it out ;-) |
| 07:18.08 | Elmoe | er can't talk over isa that is |
| 07:18.19 | cafuego | Granden: Not if you use the fglrx package that someone made. There's a factoid with a url in the bot here. |
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| 07:18.42 | cafuego | Elmoe: cunstom kernel withoiut isa support? |
| 07:18.51 | cafuego | !fglrx |
| 07:18.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fglrx is see firegl, or see ati drivers |
| 07:18.53 | sep | Jenns, lock out the user, not the google... |
| 07:18.54 | Jenns | my isp has grown concerned about a series of scans its picked up and though I've identified and booted the user in question, I have no active system for preventing it :-/ |
| 07:18.57 | Elmoe | cafuego: hmm good idea, I will double check |
| 07:19.01 | Granden | cafuego Im using ATI FireGL T2 128 MB not so many who use it |
| 07:19.12 | Granden | so is that fglrx package still working |
| 07:19.14 | cafuego | Granden: http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 07:19.21 | lenomade | streuner_: k, tried that. Same errors. |
| 07:19.23 | cafuego | Granden: Read that page, it has instructions. |
| 07:19.28 | Granden | Ok Thanks |
| 07:19.38 | cafuego | Granden: Yeah, it'll work fine for that card. |
| 07:19.39 | lenomade | (process:2811): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. |
| 07:19.55 | lenomade | everything is complaining about my locale since I upgraded to 2.6 kernel |
| 07:19.57 | sep | Jenns, i use snort to give me warning about what the users do, then i take manual action, automagical things can automagicaly kill the net :P |
| 07:20.01 | streuner_ | lenomade: apt-get install localeconf do the same as dondelelcaro already told you, scroll up |
| 07:20.07 | Jenns | yeah :-( |
| 07:20.08 | cafuego | lenomade: That's a warning, not an error. |
| 07:20.08 | lenomade | I did that |
| 07:20.09 | Jenns | thanks |
| 07:20.13 | streuner_ | lenomade: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 07:20.14 | Jenns | ;-) |
| 07:20.20 | Granden | Fuck my card isnt ther |
| 07:20.22 | Granden | there |
| 07:20.28 | MattD | any one seen a series of misfortuante events? |
| 07:20.37 | sep | jenns and get a ethernet tap, imho it eases integrating snort in your network |
| 07:20.39 | MattD | made by lebonises snickets |
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| 07:21.08 | Jenns | hrmm, like a umm. DMZ? |
| 07:21.10 | Granden | Carfuego: My card isnt there there are many FireGL but not my card |
| 07:21.21 | sep | no like a passive tap , like a monitor device |
| 07:21.27 | Jenns | yeah |
| 07:21.49 | cafuego | Granden: Yeah, try it anyway, it will most likely work just fine. |
| 07:22.03 | sep | Jenns, something like http://www.netoptics.com/products/product_family_details.asp?cid=1&pid=4&Section=products&menuitem=1 forinstance |
| 07:23.11 | Granden | Carfuego: Okey But that I will take tonight or tomorrow |
| 07:23.27 | MattD | whats the offical debian web site |
| 07:23.32 | Granden | Are there any chance to play Ragnarok on the debian install beavuase Im leaving Windows foreever |
| 07:23.33 | dondelelcaro | MattD: debian.org |
| 07:23.55 | dondelelcaro | Granden: if wine will play it, yes. |
| 07:24.19 | MattD | www.debian.org |
| 07:24.25 | Granden | Good |
| 07:24.32 | Granden | were can I get wine and is it free? |
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| 07:24.59 | cafuego | Granden: I suggest you buy a copy of Cedega (not free but MUCH cheaper then Windows) |
| 07:24.59 | Jenns | Granden: apt-get install wine and yes its free |
| 07:25.07 | cafuego | mdh: thanks, mate |
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| 07:25.23 | Granden | Is Cedega better then Wine u sas? |
| 07:25.47 | dondelelcaro | !better |
| 07:25.48 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 07:25.48 | cafuego | Granden: it has DirectX support and also supports some copy-protection systems. Designed for Windoze games, basically. |
| 07:25.50 | sep | Granden, cedega is made for playing games, like directx dependant |
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| 07:26.06 | Granden | Ok |
| 07:26.12 | Granden | Were can I buy Cedega then? |
| 07:26.13 | cafuego | Granden: SimCity 4 runs great under cedega here. |
| 07:26.16 | zenlunatic | Can someone help me with a fetchmail problem in #flood? |
| 07:26.18 | Granden | And how long take the leverance |
| 07:26.20 | cafuego | Granden: www.cedega.com |
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| 07:26.22 | qazix | cafuego: vanilla wine has Direct3D support as well, it's just not as far along as cedega's (iirc). |
| 07:26.31 | sep | Granden, you can also check the cedega homepage to see if your game is supported and how well it works |
| 07:26.36 | stew | vanilla wine sounds gross, stick to grapes |
| 07:26.39 | qazix | the main reason to go for cedega is the cd protection stuff |
| 07:26.42 | cafuego | Granden: it's a download, i iamgine. Optionally comes as .deb file, so it just installs and works. |
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| 07:27.08 | Eidiopax | asdf |
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| 07:27.24 | cafuego | qazix: I've never *ever* managed to get any game but SOlitaire to work under vanilla wine. Mind you, it's probably been a year since I last tried. |
| 07:27.42 | qazix | cafuego: I got Heroes of Might & Magic III working a couple years ago. |
| 07:27.49 | qazix | that uses d3d iirc |
| 07:27.53 | zenlunatic | What does this mean: fetchmail -akv -m "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" $fetchmail:/Users/justin/.fetchmailrc:1: parse error at user |
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| 07:27.55 | qazix | wine isn't all bad :) |
| 07:28.05 | qazix | though I do remember homm3 freezing my box up too |
| 07:28.33 | sep | zenlunatic, at a wild guess, that the user justin has an error in his .fetchmail , never used fetchmail |
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| 07:28.49 | Granden | Cafuego: okej thats cool, and cedegasupports ragnarok online thats cool |
| 07:29.15 | zenlunatic | why does no-one use fetchmail? |
| 07:29.28 | cafuego | their web strore seems to be offline atm |
| 07:29.38 | cafuego | zenlunatic: I use fetchmail, miss. |
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| 07:29.45 | Granden | is it this I shouldhave Transgaming Cedega 4.2 |
| 07:29.45 | qazix | zenlunatic: dunno, but I prefer to use mail clients that can handle pop3/imap/etc. |
| 07:29.54 | Tweak | hi all. |
| 07:30.09 | imaginal | hi Tweak |
| 07:30.12 | cafuego | Granden: yep |
| 07:30.14 | jetscreamer | whoohooo 4 cpu's on vps |
| 07:30.17 | zenlunatic | cafuego miss/ |
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| 07:30.59 | Granden | Okej good |
| 07:31.04 | Granden | I hope I get it soon |
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| 07:31.08 | Tweak | I know this isnt the place to ask, but you guys are a lot smarter ok computers so I thought I would ask. Anybody know an irc place where I can get help, or someone that knows FLASH (macromedia). Thanks. |
| 07:31.29 | Granden | When I got the .deb file on my computer how do I do then I just run it with which command? |
| 07:31.36 | jetscreamer | hey what is this rh ent 3.0 output from mount: /dev/hdv1 on / type vfs (rw,usrquota,grpquota) |
| 07:31.44 | qazix | Tweak: http://www.google.com/search?q=macromedia+flash+forum :) |
| 07:31.47 | cafuego | Granden: 'dpkg -i cedega_4.2.deb' |
| 07:31.54 | mdh | Tweak: don't macromedia offer support for their products? |
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| 07:32.02 | Tweak | qazix I tried there, everyone is asleep hehe. |
| 07:32.21 | cafuego | mdh: Better yet, flash coems with full docs and samples. |
| 07:32.24 | Tweak | mdh yes they do, but not for what I need. I wouldnt consider what im doing advanced, just a unique problem. |
| 07:33.03 | Granden | Ok but why that -i |
| 07:33.09 | mdh | speaking of flash, www.stickcricket.com |
| 07:33.13 | Granden | want to now why other wize I dont learn anything |
| 07:33.16 | cafuego | Granden: 'man dpkg' - see the -i option |
| 07:33.26 | Granden | ok |
| 07:33.38 | qazix | Tweak: okay, here's a better link: http://www.google.com/search?q=macromedia+flash+forum+vbulletin |
| 07:33.38 | cafuego | Speaking of cricket, i got my comps for the boxing day test today :-) |
| 07:33.50 | Tweak | vbulletin? |
| 07:33.52 | qazix | Tweak: and check out more than just the first link |
| 07:34.01 | qazix | Tweak: yeah, that gets more forums (e.g. vbulletin) |
| 07:34.03 | mdh | awesome |
| 07:34.12 | Tweak | oh. |
| 07:34.42 | Tweak | well, im just looking for an instant answer, thats why I thought I would ask here. Thanks though. |
| 07:34.59 | sep | Tweak, keep in mind you havent actualy told us what the problem is yet... |
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| 07:35.14 | qazix | Tweak: you were looking for a place to find help, and there are plenty of places. |
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| 07:35.40 | Granden | Are there any Swedish people online? |
| 07:35.52 | qazix | Granden: no, they're too busy cooking. |
| 07:35.56 | sep | Granden, no the sweedes dont belive in internet |
| 07:36.06 | Tweak | sep, I didnt want to flood a debian channel with flash problems. |
| 07:36.09 | sep | i think theyr all in that old RL thing still |
| 07:36.17 | sep | Tweak, thankyou :) |
| 07:36.27 | Tweak | sep no problem :0) |
| 07:36.54 | mdh | I'm playing keys boxing day, then running home to relax in front of the tv |
| 07:37.38 | Granden | Yes they do Im from Sweden and we using 80% of our bandwith, to downlaod and upload ilegal stuff |
| 07:37.41 | sep | an hour at work, and i still have been just reading the scrollback of the irc channels |
| 07:37.54 | sep | im amazed im not fired already :P |
| 07:38.03 | imaginal | Granden: Good. Keep it up. |
| 07:38.09 | Granden | Yeah |
| 07:38.14 | imaginal | :P |
| 07:38.30 | Granden | Should I try to download Cedega on DC or shall I buy it? |
| 07:38.52 | Granden | I have nothing against buying stuff for Linux, just for windows |
| 07:38.58 | sep | Granden, i only pirate windows things, cedega i would buy :P |
| 07:39.05 | lenomade | oh my god that t ook a long time to set up UTF |
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| 07:39.48 | Granden | Ok I think I wil pay for cedega beacuse all of my games are pirate |
| 07:39.58 | Granden | need to have some leagel stuff if coop comes |
| 07:40.01 | Granden | .) |
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| 07:41.17 | mdh | a good UNF should take a long time to set up |
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| 07:43.08 | lenomade | mdh: espeecially on this computer. |
| 07:43.22 | Granden | You know any program that do so I can be on IRc in school they useing Pacet Logic |
| 07:43.35 | lenomade | this computer took over an hour to install the base of my debian system |
| 07:43.36 | doleyb | Granden: make sure you have kernel 2.6+ |
| 07:43.41 | Granden | ok |
| 07:43.42 | cafuego | Granden: You can fetch the source, compile it, and see how you go. |
| 07:44.06 | doleyb | debian+2.4+cedega= no work |
| 07:44.16 | Granden | Now Im burning Sarge |
| 07:44.25 | Granden | ok |
| 07:44.37 | cafuego | Sarge has a 2.6 kernel option. I don't know if the fglrx drivers work with 2.6 |
| 07:44.55 | Granden | Oh my good |
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| 07:45.03 | zignig | BLEH! |
| 07:45.08 | Granden | So I wont be able to install fglrx with 2.6 |
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| 07:45.11 | cafuego | zignig: Queenslanders! |
| 07:45.16 | cafuego | Granden: "don't know" |
| 07:45.24 | zignig | cafuego: :) hehe |
| 07:45.24 | Granden | ok |
| 07:45.26 | Granden | I will try |
| 07:45.39 | Granden | It cant be any mayor changes in 2.4 and 2.6 right? |
| 07:45.47 | zignig | cafuego: Telstra ! BLEH! |
| 07:45.47 | cafuego | Granden: Yes, lots. |
| 07:45.50 | lenomade | there are some pretty big ones |
| 07:45.55 | Granden | Ok |
| 07:45.55 | cafuego | zignig: Telstra! auto_bleh |
| 07:46.00 | doleyb | Granden: cedega uses pthreads in a way 2.4 can't do |
| 07:46.00 | Granden | Why isnt there a 3.0 then |
| 07:46.04 | zignig | cafuego: yep. |
| 07:46.12 | cafuego | Granden: Coz Linus decided he wanted 2.6 |
| 07:46.13 | Granden | Ok |
| 07:46.20 | cafuego | zignig: What did they do now? |
| 07:46.31 | jetscreamer | can you mount an ftp directory? |
| 07:46.39 | Granden | Ok I did fix 2.6 for my last computer so it wouldnt e to hard |
| 07:46.47 | zignig | cafuego: they are going to fire 10% of their workforce. |
| 07:46.51 | cafuego | jetscreamer: There *may* be ftpfs, but it's probably userspace and crap. |
| 07:47.00 | lenomade | they aalternate beta and such with odd or even decimals |
| 07:47.02 | zignig | cafuego: and outsource everything else..... |
| 07:47.10 | cafuego | zignig: Good! I need better return on my shares. |
| 07:47.23 | zignig | cafuego: eek , you bought shares ? |
| 07:47.26 | cafuego | lenomade: No, they don't anymore. |
| 07:47.26 | lenomade | that's why we always have .2 .4 .6 etc |
| 07:47.27 | mdh | zignig: liar. Telstra don't have a workforce. |
| 07:47.31 | lenomade | they don't? |
| 07:47.33 | cafuego | zignig: i've had telstra1's for aaaages |
| 07:47.38 | zignig | mdh: they are all monketys ? |
| 07:47.42 | cafuego | lenomade: they stopped after 2.5 |
| 07:47.49 | lenomade | oh. k |
| 07:47.56 | Granden | Okej Now I need to go to school so if u have any good newbies HOWTO I would Like to recive them in a Private Message plz |
| 07:47.58 | jetscreamer | hmmm thanks |
| 07:47.58 | mdh | don't underestimate the powerful force of monkeys |
| 07:47.59 | cafuego | s/they/linus/ |
| 07:48.04 | zignig | cafuego: pity, get the public to pay for something; sell it back to them and then ...... sell it again. |
| 07:48.17 | cafuego | Granden: www.debian.org -> CLick docs |
| 07:48.21 | zignig | cafuego: fucking genius. |
| 07:48.36 | zignig | mdh: very true |
| 07:48.41 | Granden | I sad in PM |
| 07:48.54 | cafuego | zignig: Sell only the bits that hadn't previously been sold. See Sensis (SATAN! SATAN!) and NDC. |
| 07:48.54 | lenomade | I haven't heeard poeple say "linus" before like that. It's as if he's actually doing things, while Bill isn't doing much at all. |
| 07:49.07 | cafuego | Granden: I don't do pm, sorry :-) |
| 07:49.20 | zignig | cafuego: .au citizens still own the _copper_ though , Mwhahahah |
| 07:49.34 | cafuego | zignig: Don't mock me, I *can* get dual citizenship now! |
| 07:49.35 | thoreauputic | you expect private tuition? Go elsewhere. |
| 07:49.43 | zignig | cafuego: .au and ? |
| 07:49.47 | cafuego | zignig: .nl |
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| 07:49.51 | Granden | Ok |
| 07:49.56 | zignig | cafuego: nice. ;) |
| 07:50.04 | cafuego | just .nl atm |
| 07:50.10 | lenomade | heh, private courses are $150 for redd hat. go there? =P |
| 07:50.18 | Granden | But plz if there are any good howto's not frome debian.org ofcourse beacuse they do I already now about PM me |
| 07:50.24 | Granden | BYE |
| 07:50.28 | Granden | Now Im leaving |
| 07:50.33 | dondelelcaro | man, it's like it's sunday already |
| 07:50.36 | cafuego | lenomade: he makes all final decisions on the 2.6 kernel and applies patches etc, he actually WORKS on it. |
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| 07:50.44 | Granden | Are there any Swe debian irc channels? |
| 07:50.50 | lenomade | peh, excuse my letter-doubling. slow computer's got too big a load setting up locales |
| 07:51.01 | cafuego | Granden: Possible, try #debian-se or #debian.se |
| 07:51.07 | lenomade | it's too much for it to grab keyboard input to |
| 07:51.12 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hasn't linus moved onto the new development branch? |
| 07:51.26 | cafuego | lenomade: $150? that buys you an hour from me. If you're lucky. |
| 07:51.34 | Granden | #debian.se is |
| 07:51.37 | Granden | BUt I stay here |
| 07:51.38 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: anrew morton |
| 07:51.43 | Granden | bye now I go to school |
| 07:51.50 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Dunno, not seen any crashy branch as of yet ;-) |
| 07:51.58 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... I was going alex, alan... hadn't quite gotten to andrew yet... ;-) |
| 07:52.03 | theron | w00t |
| 07:52.13 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I think the plan was for Linus to stay with 2.6 until he got bored with it and then fork a new unstable. |
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| 07:52.37 | mdh | cafuego: the current unstable is doing fine, why fork a new one? ;) |
| 07:52.39 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah. Could be... I don't follow lkml well enough to really know |
| 07:52.54 | theron | heh |
| 07:52.55 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: I don't follow it at all anymore, too much spamx0rz |
| 07:53.23 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: akpm is still releasing -mm patches, so i think he's not in charge yet. |
| 07:53.36 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: makes sense... |
| 07:53.41 | mdh | I jump on lkml.org for interesting discussions and patches occasionally, but subscribing to the list itself is out of the question |
| 07:53.53 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: although, didn't ac still make ac patches for 2.4 for quite some time? |
| 07:53.58 | mdh | I could hardly keep up in 1996, let alone now with 3 times the volume |
| 07:53.58 | cafuego | mdh: Oh it's only 200 posts/day.... |
| 07:54.31 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: No idea... Iv'e always tried to ignore AC for non-specified reasons. |
| 07:55.27 | cafuego | My longest uptime box got rebooted (upgrade) this morning. 309 days, 15 hour uptime. |
| 07:55.55 | dondelelcaro | 3:55:43 up 346 days, 3:58, |
| 07:56.42 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: vi /proc/kcore to check. line # 12,702 |
| 07:56.49 | mdh | dondelelcaro: security-wise, probably (depending what patches you've applied) |
| 07:57.03 | lenomade | woohoo, it's done. |
| 07:57.12 | mdh | my longest uptime box got reinstalled the other day |
| 07:57.21 | mdh | root@apophos:/apophos/httpd/argus-80# uptime |
| 07:57.24 | mdh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.36 | cafuego | Yeah, that ^^ longest uptime box is getting reinstalled in January. |
| 07:57.50 | cafuego | ... when HP deliver the new hardware. |
| 07:57.53 | mdh | I upgraded this one from Solaris to Debian ;) |
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| 07:58.08 | lenomade | wtf, why do I still get locale warnings? |
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| 07:58.24 | cafuego | i hope sarge will be out by then; woody prolly won't support its hardware. |
| 07:58.28 | dondelelcaro | lenomade: have you actually built the locale that you're using? does perl -e '1;' complain? |
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| 07:58.45 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: probably not... we're still at N+30 |
| 07:58.53 | paulproteus | Grumble. XFS just died a horrible death on me. |
| 07:59.03 | zignig | paulproteus: BOOOM! |
| 07:59.06 | lenomade | no |
| 07:59.12 | cafuego | Well well! 2.6.10-rc3-mm1 has a patch line s/Maximum number of CPUs (2-8)/Maximum number of CPUs (2-256)/ |
| 07:59.15 | zinx | paulproteus: defective hardware? |
| 07:59.21 | cafuego | zinx: defective fs |
| 07:59.37 | zinx | cafuego: i'd believe that if it were reiser :P |
| 07:59.45 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Oh well, manual patching it is |
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| 08:00.02 | cafuego | zinx: I've had XFS go boom too, on perfectly fine hardware |
| 08:00.05 | zignig | dondelelcaro: use it wizely. |
| 08:00.11 | zinx | cafuego: interesting |
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