| 00:00.03 | cafuego | grivell: Nee,d at deed ik dus niet. Sukkel. |
| 00:00.05 | directhex | Sypie, for fuck's sake. type '/etc/init.d/kdm start' - it should fail & throw you back to the console. if the file's still empty, you're looking at the wrong file |
| 00:00.12 | Sypie | ok dan gaan we over op het nederlands |
| 00:00.17 | infinity005 | nvz: all we can do is tell them. if they don't want to experience or figure it out, well. empower the euro and they will eventually. |
| 00:00.29 | goron | Ok |
| 00:00.34 | ^Ocean^ | Caelum, /dev/hdd1= or /dev/hdd= or hdd1= |
| 00:00.34 | directhex | Sypie, that file will _NOT_ be empty after a failed x start, and i STILL think you're typing it 'Xfree86' or something incorrect like that |
| 00:00.37 | cafuego | grivell: We'll feel superior for typing in a forgeign language in here and making less typo3s than native speakers <heh> |
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| 00:01.01 | cafuego | ^Ocean^: 'hdd=ide-scsi' |
| 00:01.09 | cafuego | ^Ocean^: Like that. |
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| 00:01.43 | ^Ocean^ | cafuego, so then "apeand hdd=ide-scsi' ? |
| 00:01.44 | grivell | <yawn> Well, I'm off to a more interesting discussion. This is just no fun. |
| 00:01.54 | FieldySnuts | @troll grivell |
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| 00:01.55 | cafuego | infinity005: patience, or some airborne sterilising bug. |
| 00:02.09 | infinity005 | cafuego: heh. what country are you in? |
| 00:02.11 | beardy | Hak`M: /usr/share/doc/lilo/examples/conf.sample |
| 00:02.13 | grivell | FieldySnuts, they started :) |
| 00:02.13 | toresbe | grivell: Hehvyrk? Benderk vurknu selknirsj. |
| 00:02.21 | cafuego | infinity005: USA 2.0 - Australia |
| 00:02.25 | infinity005 | lol |
| 00:02.38 | infinity005 | cafuego: have yet to visit your island :) |
| 00:02.38 | directhex | cafuego, convicttopia |
| 00:02.49 | cafuego | infinity005: it's not mine, I just live there <heh> |
| 00:02.52 | nvz | FieldySnuts: how come everytime there seems to be a possible troll you are the one with your hand in the troll feed |
| 00:03.03 | goron | Pecunia non olem. |
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| 00:03.17 | cafuego | nvz: FieldySnuts breeds pedigree trolls for the show market. |
| 00:03.18 | infinity005 | cafuego: so what does that make canada ? usa 1.5? |
| 00:03.23 | nvz | heh |
| 00:03.25 | goron | Anyone that knows Latin? |
| 00:03.36 | cafuego | goron: Used to, not anymore - 's been too long. |
| 00:03.47 | nvz | cafuego: I think its cause he/she is a botwhore |
| 00:03.50 | goron | cafuego: Me too. 3 years :D |
| 00:03.59 | Sypie | very stupid |
| 00:04.08 | Toastie | anyone here followed the xorg install instructions? |
| 00:04.14 | cafuego | I last ahd latin in high school 13 years ago. |
| 00:04.32 | cafuego | Mind you, I did relatively successfully translate a quote not that long ago. |
| 00:04.39 | schippes | i just compiled xorg on sarge.. works out of the box |
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| 00:04.51 | infinity005 | cafuego: "relatively" thats broad :) |
| 00:04.52 | BigBlue | what can i use for sending my faxes (hylafax) to my mail |
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| 00:04.56 | BigBlue | ? |
| 00:04.57 | Sypie | i did this /etc/init.d/kdm start' but nothing happened |
| 00:04.58 | cafuego | schippes: It's still not a debian package and thus not on topic here. |
| 00:05.08 | grumbel | does anybody know a solution to this: dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-dev' clashes with `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/nvidia-glx/libGL.so by nvidia-glx' |
| 00:05.22 | unhappy | how do you write bin images |
| 00:05.37 | schippes | cafuego: my answer was for Toastie. go away |
| 00:05.38 | grumbel | unabomber: cdrdao write foo.cue |
| 00:05.39 | cafuego | BigBlue: You cna edit the script that handles fax reception and make it use fax2ps; ps2pdf to email you a pdf of the fax. |
| 00:05.51 | goron | cafuego: I translated the original Latin of a story of Hannibal. That's like brain torture. |
| 00:06.00 | cafuego | schippes: Your answer was incorrect. it should have been "We don't support xorg here". |
| 00:06.04 | grumbel | unhappy: cdrdao write foo.cue |
| 00:06.06 | Sypie | who can contact me in private about that xfree stuff? |
| 00:06.07 | ^Ocean^ | cafuego, so then apeand='hdd=ide-scsi' ? or leave the append off ? |
| 00:06.23 | cafuego | ^Ocean^: leave the append= on, but don't mistype it. |
| 00:06.24 | zumbi | someone knows how to extract a chm file ? |
| 00:06.27 | davisfactor | where would I go to look for any news about the new php4:4.3.10-1 package? It shows that version when doing a search for php4 but it won't let me install it due to the dependencies being older |
| 00:06.31 | infinity005 | i'll take grivel's opinion on the latin thing :) |
| 00:06.40 | unhappy | how do you write bin images ... on windows |
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| 00:06.52 | FieldySnuts | wrong chan |
| 00:07.03 | cafuego | unhappy: with windows software, which we support as much as xorg. |
| 00:07.04 | pipeline | unhappy: The same way you write any other CD on windows. |
| 00:07.07 | ^Ocean^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.20 | cafuego | ^Ocean^: yep |
| 00:07.23 | infinity005 | unhappy: drag and drop |
| 00:07.30 | BigBlue | cafuego:thanks |
| 00:07.33 | Toastie | schippes: thanks. It has an install directory scheme which doesn't overwrite Debian's xserver-xfree86? |
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| 00:08.13 | cafuego | !get xorg |
| 00:08.13 | dpkg | get xorg is, like, Xorg is NOT SUPPORTED HERE. http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909 - but remember: YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN. 'deb http://debian.linux-systeme.com unstable main', but don't complain if you get other unstable binaries from that unofficial apt source. Whoever packaged that xorg can not properly configure an apache server, so running their X is probably a BAD IDEA. |
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| 00:08.33 | infinity005 | what the heck is xorg? |
| 00:08.33 | jochen_m | hi |
| 00:08.36 | Toastie | cafuego: uh, on the user-support-friendliness level, we're slowly approaching Slackware, aren't we? |
| 00:08.39 | Toastie | infinity005: ask dpkg |
| 00:08.55 | goron | infinity005: See x.org |
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| 00:09.06 | infinity005 | goron: ah. gracias. |
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| 00:09.12 | sussudio | !eat Toastie |
| 00:09.18 | cafuego | Toastie: Why don't we let all 700 users whine about softwre that nobody else in the channel runs because it's not in debian? That would make this a really useful channel, wouldn't it? |
| 00:09.29 | cafuego | Toastie: Why do you need an exception? You're not special. |
| 00:09.30 | jochen_m | Can anyone help me installing GIMP 1.2 please? I cannot find a Package in APT. The "gimp1.2" Package seems to be just an upgrading package |
| 00:09.37 | wliad | Hi all |
| 00:09.52 | goron | infinity005: It does basically the same as xorg. But you ARE A 100 TIMES COOLER WHEN YOU RUN IT. So they say... I ran it on Gentoo. Well, it did work and I saw no mega diffs. |
| 00:09.54 | xsdg | cafuego: why doesn't debian have xspringies????????? |
| 00:09.55 | wliad | I using Debian sid with kernel version 2.6.8 |
| 00:10.03 | sussudio | wtf is xspringies? |
| 00:10.05 | goron | xorg->xfree |
| 00:10.06 | cafuego | xsdg: it's not sproingies |
| 00:10.13 | grumbel | jochen_m: why you need gimp1.2, anything critical in gimp2 broken? |
| 00:10.14 | wliad | And I (still) having problems with my USB webcam |
| 00:10.16 | xsdg | sussudio: O_O |
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| 00:10.31 | wliad | Can anyone help? |
| 00:10.32 | Toastie | cafuego: till now, we're not flooded, and Debian is usually my place for useful expertise, Debian-package-related or plain free software related |
| 00:10.33 | Piggy | =:8 |
| 00:10.53 | xsdg | sussudio: xspringies is awesome; it's an n-body, n-spring simulator written in xlib |
| 00:10.56 | jochen_m | grumbel, GIMP 2.0 has many differences to GIMP 1.2.5 and so I want to use both programs |
| 00:10.57 | cafuego | Toastie: Again, why do you think you're special enough to carry on about off-topic stuff? |
| 00:11.02 | sussudio | xsdg: if you say so |
| 00:11.04 | Toastie | goron, infinity005: one reason to run x.org is cause it's cool; a better reason to run x.org is to beta test and report bugs |
| 00:11.04 | infinity005 | xorg is like Xfree? |
| 00:11.11 | cafuego | infinity005: No. |
| 00:11.16 | xsdg | cafuego: "sproingies"? |
| 00:11.20 | cafuego | infinity005: it's an X server, but it's not in debian. |
| 00:11.35 | jcole | is there something special i have to do to enable exporting of xpm file types in gimp? it says something about a plug in.... |
| 00:11.35 | cafuego | xsdg: xscreensaver of a spring walking down starirs? :-) |
| 00:11.39 | grumbel | jochen_m: hm, they have changed the GUI a bit, but overall its still the same programm |
| 00:11.48 | goron | cafuego: I would say it's "like" Xfree. Only it's less "free". |
| 00:11.48 | davisfactor | where would I go to look for any news about the new php4:4.3.10-1 package? It shows that version when doing a search for php4 but it won't let me install it due to the dependencies being older |
| 00:11.55 | infinity005 | cafuego: why do people run it? |
| 00:11.56 | goron | More free |
| 00:11.58 | cafuego | goron: Actually, it's more free. |
| 00:12.02 | grumbel | jochen_m: since gimp1.2 is no longer present in debian you have to compile it yourself, but I really don't see what that should be good for |
| 00:12.03 | goron | cafuego: :) |
| 00:12.06 | Sypie | someone contact me in personal chat about remote helpd? |
| 00:12.07 | wliad | anyone? |
| 00:12.18 | jochen_m | grumbel, ok... thank you so far |
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| 00:12.19 | xsdg | cafuego: no; "n-body, n-spring simulator" |
| 00:12.20 | cafuego | goron: but until it's packaged up for debian, it's not supported here. |
| 00:12.21 | Granden | Hi |
| 00:12.26 | Granden | Are there any one awake? |
| 00:12.27 | xsdg | cafuego: one sec |
| 00:12.27 | grumbel | jochen_m: unless of course there is some feature missing/broken, in which case it might be better to bug-report to the gimp people |
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| 00:12.48 | Granden | Can some one help me isntall the drivers for my FireGL card I dont get it working |
| 00:12.49 | goron | cafuego: Why anyway? I mean: it's not that broken. |
| 00:13.01 | xsdg | cafuego: http://www.cuodan.net/~xsdg/stuff/xspringies.tar.bz2 |
| 00:13.03 | cafuego | jcole: If you have a multi-layer image, you may need to flatten it before it'll save as xpm. |
| 00:13.28 | jcole | cafuego: ah, interesting... i'll try that |
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| 00:13.46 | Toastie | goron: the X strike force is quite cautious and conservative when it comes to producing new packages |
| 00:14.01 | grumbel | jochen_m: might not help, anyway gimp2.2 packages are in experimental |
| 00:14.05 | Granden | Cafuego: Can u help me? |
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| 00:14.12 | Granden | Cafuego: Can u SSH me? |
| 00:14.27 | cafuego | Toastie: No, they're working on xorg already. They justw ant to get xfree86 finished for sue in Sarge, so that can be released. |
| 00:14.32 | jochen_m | grumbel, I will try them out too |
| 00:14.36 | cafuego | Granden: what? |
| 00:14.40 | Toastie | cafuego: yeah, I saw the svn |
| 00:14.46 | Sypie | Perfdave still here? |
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| 00:15.18 | Granden | Cafuego can u SSH me and make my FireGL Card work? |
| 00:15.19 | Granden | pleas |
| 00:15.24 | Granden | I have try everything |
| 00:15.33 | cafuego | xsdg: Uh, your inferior ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV) binary can't run on my arch. |
| 00:15.51 | cafuego | Granden: I probably can, but I won't ssh into your box and poke around. as root. |
| 00:15.59 | xsdg | woah; that's not source? |
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| 00:16.09 | cafuego | xsdg: Nope. |
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| 00:16.20 | Granden | Why not? |
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| 00:16.34 | Gandalfar | xsdg: post a RFP bug against wnpp and home someone will package it |
| 00:16.34 | sunsset | hola a todos |
| 00:16.38 | cafuego | Granden: Last thing I need is for something to go wrong and be accused to breaking things. |
| 00:16.45 | xsdg | Gandalfar: I was being facetious |
| 00:16.51 | green_earz | Granden: the howto may help >http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html |
| 00:17.07 | sunsset | me gustaria saber o pedir informacion sobre la mejor version de linux creada hast el momento |
| 00:17.08 | Gandalfar | xsdg: still seems like a nice app :) |
| 00:17.08 | cafuego | s/to/of/ |
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| 00:17.14 | wliad | how come I don have allmost anything in /dev (Not using devfs if you care to know - using udev)? |
| 00:17.16 | Sypie | is there someone that want to help me with that Xserver/Xfree86? |
| 00:17.22 | cafuego | !tell sunsset -about spanish |
| 00:17.27 | Sypie | it should be possible by ssh |
| 00:17.39 | infinity005 | cafuego: i remember the days when you installed linux and there wasn't a password set for root as default. |
| 00:17.50 | xsdg | Gandalfar: true :o) |
| 00:17.52 | PerfDave | Sypie: You still having problems? |
| 00:17.57 | infinity005 | cafuego: talk about pour souls on efnet's #linux looking for help |
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| 00:18.22 | Sypie | yes with my kdm, Xserver, because nobody believes that my Xfree86.0.log is empty.. |
| 00:18.22 | infinity005 | er poor heh. |
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| 00:18.42 | xsdg | cafuego: http://www.cuodan.net/~xsdg/stuff/xspringies-1.12.tar.gz |
| 00:18.45 | cafuego | infinity005: I can't remember back that far, but I do remeber the days before people had firewalls and relatively routinely exported / via NFS without having hosts.* entries :-) |
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| 00:19.11 | Granden | Some who can help me fix the drivers for my video card through ssh??? |
| 00:19.15 | infinity005 | cafuego: heh. that sounds like fun. |
| 00:19.22 | billatq | cafuego: Yeah, but wasn't that around the time that people didn't have easy access to the internet? |
| 00:19.34 | billatq | cafuego: And stuff like ident actually worked? :) |
| 00:19.34 | cafuego | xsdg: broken Imakefile |
| 00:19.36 | PerfDave | Sypie: What happened since you configured the X server? |
| 00:19.44 | oksanen | Granden bad idea |
| 00:19.44 | RageLink | yo peeps... whats the best way to make my debian server recognize the tape backup... im not so sure about ftape |
| 00:19.44 | xsdg | heh |
| 00:19.59 | Granden | oksanen Yeah But I wont make it work |
| 00:20.01 | RageLink | please |
| 00:20.03 | cafuego | billatq: Dunno, everyone on my campus had 1 0Mbit link in their rooms at that stage |
| 00:20.04 | infinity005 | billatq: ya. when i used a fidonet gateway to get email. |
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| 00:20.09 | Granden | And I would like it to work |
| 00:20.11 | Sypie | well i could write startx the screen flickers for 3 or 4 times, and i get back in console. |
| 00:20.15 | billatq | infinity005: Mmm, fidonet |
| 00:20.19 | Sypie | and in that log file is NOTHING |
| 00:20.26 | infinity005 | billatq: that was _ghetto_ |
| 00:20.29 | Sypie | but in messages is something to find about that |
| 00:20.31 | oksanen | who makes fire gl? |
| 00:20.31 | xsdg | RageLink: "recognize"? does the kernel see it? |
| 00:20.34 | billatq | cafuego: Well, outside educational environments |
| 00:20.35 | xsdg | oksanen: ATI |
| 00:20.38 | RageLink | i dont know |
| 00:20.50 | xsdg | RageLink: do you see anything about it in dmesg or kern.log? |
| 00:20.51 | RageLink | im not that keen on that stuff |
| 00:20.54 | billatq | infinity005: What? You don't like having an e-mail address that could go down at any time with lots of random characters in it? |
| 00:20.55 | Sypie | you can have a look by ssh |
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| 00:20.56 | oksanen | oh never had one |
| 00:20.58 | PerfDave | Sypie: When you type startx, the scren flickers, and there is nothing in the log file? |
| 00:21.04 | oksanen | just nvidia |
| 00:21.07 | goron | What is the last 8 in this address? 127.0.0.0/8 A range from 127.0.0.0-127.0.0.255? |
| 00:21.08 | Sypie | something like that |
| 00:21.08 | RageLink | where's all that i can check |
| 00:21.11 | PerfDave | Sypie: You're trying to sun ssh over nvidia? |
| 00:21.15 | infinity005 | billatq: lol. hold on. lemme dial up and see. |
| 00:21.18 | PerfDave | Sypie: You're trying to run startx over ssh? |
| 00:21.19 | PerfDave | Bah |
| 00:21.19 | xsdg | oksanen: FireGL is a workstation card (enhanced for 2D work) |
| 00:21.22 | PerfDave | Too tired :( |
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| 00:21.27 | Sypie | or there has to be more than one /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 00:21.27 | xsdg | err... s#enhanced#optimized# |
| 00:21.32 | cafuego | goron: No, 8 is 255.0.0.0 so 127.0.0.0 though 127.255.255.255 |
| 00:21.38 | ^Ocean^ | whats the kde cd burning software ? |
| 00:21.41 | PerfDave | Sypie: What do you mean, more htan one? |
| 00:21.43 | PerfDave | ^Ocean^: k3b |
| 00:21.44 | Isil`Zha | how can i keep a user in his homedir and lower dirs? |
| 00:21.45 | xsdg | ^Ocean^: cdrecord ;o) |
| 00:21.47 | schippes | cdrecord |
| 00:21.53 | xsdg | Isil`Zha: chroot? |
| 00:21.54 | cat | Isil`Zha: chroot |
| 00:21.55 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: You can't, and you don't want to. |
| 00:21.58 | xsdg | schippes: ^5 |
| 00:22.02 | xsdg | cafuego: ^5 |
| 00:22.03 | cafuego | Isil`Zha: chroot and sacrifice of your oldest child |
| 00:22.07 | infinity005 | billatq: you know what is pretty damn funny. if i search my name in google, i get a BBS list with my bbs's fidonet address on it as one of the results. i'll never forget it.. ahhh! |
| 00:22.08 | dub | are there issues with bitchx in sarge? mine is randomly turning bitch mode on and chanlimiting and kill evading |
| 00:22.11 | Sypie | well i guess that there is only 1 directory with that name, and only 1 file with that name |
| 00:22.12 | cafuego | xsdg: eh! |
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| 00:22.27 | Isil`Zha | i read the info to chroot... that's why i ask here... ^^ |
| 00:22.30 | PerfDave | Sypie: There's a directory called /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 00:22.32 | xsdg | cafuego: that was supposed to be "cat", but high-five anyway |
| 00:22.36 | RageLink | what's the easiest way to get it done? |
| 00:22.40 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 00:22.46 | billatq | infinity005: Heh, I'm thinking about setting up a little bbs system with fidonet just for fun now |
| 00:22.52 | Isil`Zha | i want to grant someone access to a webdir |
| 00:22.58 | Isil`Zha | which he shouldn't be able to leave |
| 00:22.58 | Sypie | a directory called /var/log/ with a file called Xfree86.0.log |
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| 00:23.04 | Sypie | and that file is empty |
| 00:23.06 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: Access with what? |
| 00:23.09 | infinity005 | billatq: is it possible these days? who are you going to get a feed from? |
| 00:23.14 | Isil`Zha | SFTP |
| 00:23.22 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: apt-cache show scponly |
| 00:23.30 | billatq | infinity005: http://www.fidonet.org/joinfido.html |
| 00:23.32 | cafuego | Isil`Zha: Give him access via ftp or ftp-ssl and the chroot is easy. ANything else makes it a pain in the ass. |
| 00:23.34 | PerfDave | Sypie: Are you already running an X server on a different tty? |
| 00:23.46 | infinity005 | FidoNet @1:143/320, RANet @72:408/16, CalNet @49:408/320, DoorNet @74:7408/320 |
| 00:23.51 | infinity005 | that was my bbs :) |
| 00:23.53 | Isil`Zha | i can't do chroot on a user anyway? |
| 00:23.56 | Sypie | how can i check that? |
| 00:24.03 | PerfDave | Sypie: ps auxww |
| 00:24.05 | billatq | Heh |
| 00:24.05 | PerfDave | Sypie: pstree |
| 00:24.09 | PerfDave | Sypie: Press ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 00:24.20 | glick | hey has anyone updated to debian unstable? |
| 00:24.25 | glick | from testing |
| 00:24.25 | xsdg | RageLink: sorry; check /var/log/dmesg and /var/log/kern.log |
| 00:24.26 | Isil`Zha | PerfDave: "W: Unable to locate package scponly" |
| 00:24.30 | glick | im thinking of doing that on my laptop |
| 00:24.36 | xsdg | RageLink: what sort of tape drive? (specifically, what interface?) |
| 00:24.39 | infinity005 | billatq: the setup instructions sound the same |
| 00:24.50 | RageLink | well its a standard cheap one |
| 00:24.53 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: Your package repositories are broken |
| 00:24.54 | RageLink | came with the server |
| 00:24.59 | PerfDave | glick: Why would you want to do that? |
| 00:25.04 | RageLink | dell something |
| 00:25.09 | cafuego | xsdg: it's being a PITA, lemme just reboot my desktop box to Linux |
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| 00:25.16 | glick | PerfDave, to have the latest kde, thunderbird, etc |
| 00:25.34 | billatq | infinity005: Might be more work than I want to do though |
| 00:25.38 | PerfDave | glick: Can you deal with major crashes when apt trashes libc and your system won't boot? |
| 00:25.42 | xsdg | RageLink: dell poweredge? you can probably google for "linux dell poweredge" or somesuch; I don't have any experience with those, however |
| 00:25.49 | Sypie | if there was a hole in the ground.. |
| 00:25.56 | infinity005 | billatq: these days it's probably harder than it was back then |
| 00:25.57 | Sypie | i really would use it right now |
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| 00:26.02 | glick | PerfDave, why would it do that |
| 00:26.05 | RageLink | i get this in the log: Dec 15 15:28:02 localhost kernel: ide-tape: hdd: Unsupported command in request queue (0) |
| 00:26.05 | Sypie | everybody shoot me pleast |
| 00:26.07 | Sypie | pelase |
| 00:26.10 | PerfDave | glick: Because it's unstable. |
| 00:26.12 | FlopsyPete | anyone got a worthwhile SCP client to recommend? |
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| 00:26.19 | glick | my friend updated to unstable and said its run like a dream |
| 00:26.19 | RageLink | its a standard tape drive |
| 00:26.22 | RageLink | think acme |
| 00:26.27 | FlopsyPete | ...graphical SCP client |
| 00:26.28 | PerfDave | glick: Testing is only two weeks behind unstable, and gets rid of most of the critical bugs. You shouldn't run unstable unless you're a Debian expert, package maintainer or tester. |
| 00:26.39 | PerfDave | glick: Unstable runs like a dream until it blows up in your face and you can't fix it. |
| 00:26.47 | xsdg | cafuego: hrm... I was poking about; that looks like an xmkmf bug |
| 00:26.47 | Isil`Zha | PerfDave: i executed apt-get check... same result |
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| 00:27.08 | glick | things in testing have crashed on me too |
| 00:27.08 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: Well, of course it would |
| 00:27.35 | PerfDave | glick: That's because it's not stable. |
| 00:27.36 | Isil`Zha | wouldn't it tell me if something was broken? |
| 00:27.41 | RageLink | xsdg: i been on google all day all i get is the ftape thing |
| 00:27.43 | PerfDave | glick: But unstable can crash badly. |
| 00:27.49 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: Depends on your definition of badly. |
| 00:27.55 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: Depends on your definition of broken, even |
| 00:28.01 | RageLink | but it needs to have the kernel recompiled |
| 00:28.01 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hehehehe... figures |
| 00:28.14 | PerfDave | Oh, bollocks to this, I'm too tired. |
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| 00:28.25 | Isil`Zha | PerfDave: hmm can i check it for ur definition of "broken"? ;) |
| 00:28.35 | PerfDave | Isil`Zha: Evidently not. |
| 00:28.42 | PerfDave | glick: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 00:28.58 | Isil`Zha | PerfDave: so i'm lost here? doesn't sound promising :P |