| 00:00.08 | SquareRt | building by hand is just totally bogus... |
| 00:00.13 | gravity | Party on Garth |
| 00:00.15 | SquareRt | oh look there's midnight. sigh. |
| 00:00.27 | SquareRt | gravity: :D |
| 00:00.34 | SquareRt | bill and ted SO owned. sigh. |
| 00:00.43 | SquareRt | you know what I really miss... Due South... |
| 00:00.56 | zYgoat_ | easy apt question - how do i see wich pkg contains wx-config? |
| 00:01.02 | Blissex2 | SquareRt: «to stop sleeping on the floor»: well, a bohemian liofestyle has some downsides... |
| 00:01.31 | SquareRt | that and Dark Angel... they cancelled that in it's prime after messing up its schedule... so glad I watch almost no TV now... BBC Radio 3 is my new friend :D |
| 00:01.35 | SquareRt | lwin 7 |
| 00:01.38 | SquareRt | oops |
| 00:01.40 | SquareRt | typo :) |
| 00:01.58 | zYgoat_ | bbc radio3 on internet? |
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| 00:02.46 | mxn | Hi. I've got xfree86 going with the fglrx ATI driver (for my Radeon 9200SE). When X starts, my keyboard LEDs flash loads, then they keyboard doesn't work. It has to be un/replugged. There's lots of suspect stuff in /var/log/X... (not sure what's relevant - can #flood if needed). Any ideas? |
| 00:03.19 | SquareRt | zygoat_: you can get it on the internet at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/ and click listen live or listen again to choose this week's archive... |
| 00:03.34 | SquareRt | zygoat_: but I just listen to it with a good, old-fashioned wireless radio |
| 00:03.58 | zYgoat_ | ty SquareRt |
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| 00:04.19 | zYgoat_ | auto-apt is cute - lets me search for .deb containing <file> |
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| 00:06.05 | gravity | Isn't that what apt-file does? |
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| 00:06.49 | optic_ | mwilson you are mostly just a nasty offensive smartass. why do you hang out here, to get a feeling of superiority? (while in actuality you come off soundling really lame) |
| 00:07.11 | mrluring | Why do i got vtund[13707]: Can't allocate tun device . No such file or directory(2) when i try to connect to my vtund server ? |
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| 00:07.21 | optic_ | this is after all a help channel |
| 00:07.37 | mwilson | optic_: <shrug> I actually bothered to learn how to use the tools. What's your excuse? |
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| 00:07.57 | gravity | optic_: mwilson is our resident curmudgeon. It's often best to use /ignore if you don't want to talk to someone |
| 00:08.07 | optic_ | oh, my excuse for asking a question? you shouldn't be in this channel with that nasty attitude. |
| 00:08.29 | mwilson | No, your excuse for repeatedly ignoring the answer you were getting. |
| 00:08.48 | tarzeau | heh http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=133934&cid=11179865 |
| 00:08.48 | gravity | optic_: Just /ignore mwilson please. What's the problem you're having exactly? I missed most of it, but I saw something about editing makefiles |
| 00:09.04 | optic_ | okay i have to laugh at that. i can only believe you are trying to be sarcastically humorous becasue in actuality there was no answer |
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| 00:09.30 | mwilson | gravity: He wants to build a kernel with other than the default compiler but just couldn't listen when told how to do it by several people. |
| 00:09.51 | gravity | Hmpf |
| 00:09.52 | mwilson | gravity: Other than myself, at that. |
| 00:10.09 | gravity | mwilson: That's what I saw, but I'd rather just try to calm things down |
| 00:10.17 | optic_ | i was confused about command-line option vs. makefile variables and it wasn't clear if they were refering to a symlink |
| 00:10.41 | mwilson | Shadur: gcc isn't controlled by alternatives. |
| 00:11.00 | SquareRt | optic_: you could do file <somefile> and you'll know if it's a symlink or not and a bit more |
| 00:11.15 | mwilson | Shadur: Not really. There's a tedious explanation in the package documentation as to why it's not, but it's irrelevant anyway as it's easy to use whatever compiler you want. |
| 00:11.18 | SquareRt | shadur: here we go again... :D |
| 00:11.24 | optic_ | but cc is and points to gcc. then there is CC in the Makefile. or you could specify CC= on the command line. i just needed clarification |
| 00:11.37 | optic_ | SquareRt: been there. done that. |
| 00:11.39 | gravity | optic_: Is it clear now? |
| 00:11.40 | SquareRt | shadur: /me wishes he brought the earl grey tea leaves to davo's |
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| 00:12.35 | zYgoat_ | debian has no wx-config ? so confused |
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| 00:12.48 | optic_ | gravity: yes the CC part it. my last question though is if i specify CC= on the command line before make should i also specify CPP= ? |
| 00:13.06 | gravity | optic_: For your kernel? Probably doesn't matter since it's all in C |
| 00:13.25 | SquareRt | optic_: only if you're compiling a C++ program |
| 00:13.31 | optic_ | gravity: yes for the kernel. i want to use CC=gcc-2.95 |
| 00:13.40 | gravity | optic_: It should be fine with just CC then |
| 00:13.41 | SquareRt | optic_: and if its' a kernel, then there's no C++ used iirc |
| 00:13.56 | _rene_ | SquareRt: CPP is the preprocessor |
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| 00:14.06 | _rene_ | SquareRt: it's better, yes |
| 00:14.10 | _rene_ | err |
| 00:14.13 | SquareRt | _rene_: oops... |
| 00:14.16 | optic_ | i thought CPP was the c preprocessor, not related to c++ |
| 00:14.23 | SquareRt | is CXX the C++ compiler then? |
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| 00:14.28 | simonrvn | g++ |
| 00:14.59 | hypnox | i have a problem with udev perhaps: my hdc and hdd (cdroms) are detected, but do not appear in /dev/ .. |
| 00:14.59 | SquareRt | simonrvn: in terms of env vars |
| 00:15.08 | _rene_ | SquareRt: yes, CXX is the common envvar |
| 00:15.18 | mwilson | <sigh> I *so* wish there was a decent IMAP client for *nix other than Mozilla Mail. |
| 00:15.20 | simonrvn | yeh, CXX is the common one |
| 00:15.28 | simonrvn | mwilson: mutt |
| 00:15.28 | SquareRt | _rene_: quarter past midnight... I'm being a bit thick... |
| 00:15.41 | SquareRt | mwilson: Sylpheed Claws |
| 00:15.49 | _rene_ | SquareRt: its quarter past 1 here ;-) |
| 00:15.51 | mwilson | simonrvn: Mutt... ain't. I love mutt, I really do, I use it alla time, but mutt + imap == hell. |
| 00:15.53 | Shadur | mwilson: mutt? |
| 00:15.59 | SquareRt | mwilson: or there's always thunderbird |
| 00:16.02 | Shadur | What's hell about it? |
| 00:16.05 | simonrvn | mwilson: Work OK Here |
| 00:16.07 | simonrvn | s |
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| 00:16.12 | mwilson | SquareRt: As I said, a *decent* client. |
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| 00:16.22 | FieldySnuts | mutt sucks |
| 00:16.23 | SquareRt | mwilson: but I like sylpheed claws and it's top notch management of several accounts, protocols and auth details |
| 00:16.28 | _rene_ | mwilson: offlineimap + mutt ;-P |
| 00:16.29 | simonrvn | thunderbird handles large imap inboxes REALLY badly |
| 00:16.30 | SquareRt | mwilson: what's wrong with sylpheed claws? |
| 00:16.31 | mwilson | SquareRt: Thundercrap is, well, crap. |
| 00:16.36 | mrluring | Why do i got vtund[13707]: Can't allocate tun device . No such file or directory(2) when i try to connect to my vtund server ? |
| 00:16.46 | simonrvn | /dev/tun |
| 00:16.46 | FieldySnuts | thunderbird recent versions have major imap flaws |
| 00:16.51 | FieldySnuts | which have gone unfixed for quite a while, jerks |
| 00:16.54 | mwilson | SquareRt: Dunno... is there something? I've not used sylpheed in ages... didn't like it then. |
| 00:16.56 | SquareRt | mwilson: I can understand that sylpheed might be a bit naff, but sylpheed claws seems to do everything I ant |
| 00:17.05 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: like no START_TLS support |
| 00:17.12 | FieldySnuts | wouldn't suprise me |
| 00:17.13 | mrluring | simonrvn: i dont have any /dev/tun ... |
| 00:17.14 | SquareRt | mwilson: sylpheed != sylpheed claws... the claws version is the dev branch |
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