| 00:00.06 | peterS | Roey: I don't think that option should be required, but if it is, you want it <*> not <M>. <M> means it won't necessarily be loaded at boot time |
| 00:00.07 | pipeline | People have been saying that all day. |
| 00:00.15 | peterS | Roey: well, unless you put the module name in /etc/modules |
| 00:00.23 | Roey | peterS: it wasn't in /etc/modules. |
| 00:00.27 | streuner__ | alex: one hour too late :-) |
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| 00:00.35 | karsten | pipeline: Yeah, expect it on the hour for a while. |
| 00:00.44 | streuner__ | alex: or do you hanging in London around? |
| 00:01.01 | Roey | peterS: I went to 'help' on that option and it says that this is only needed "if you have a Mobility Docking station with PS/2 keyboard and mice ports." |
| 00:01.04 | alex | yeah for me its too late |
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| 00:01.31 | peterS | Roey: yeah. I thought it was not needed for most people |
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| 00:01.39 | Roey | peterS: [*] Mice I have; |
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| 00:01.47 | zirikili | hi all |
| 00:03.06 | zirikili | I've heard non-us packages is no more necessary for sources.list. is that true? |
| 00:03.26 | peterS | zirikili: yes |
| 00:03.37 | peterS | zirikili: almost everything in non-us has been moved to main between woody and sarge |
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| 00:04.16 | Kerr | Happy new year from the UK :) |
| 00:04.21 | zirikili | peterS: ok. thanks. |
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| 00:04.34 | streuner__ | Kerr: happy new year ;-) |
| 00:04.46 | EdgEy | forgot who was helping me before |
| 00:04.54 | zirikili | Kerr: happy new year |
| 00:05.01 | EdgEy | it's GCC 3.34 anyways |
| 00:05.04 | AdamWeston | hi all, happy new year |
| 00:05.06 | EdgEy | dpkg happy now year |
| 00:05.06 | dpkg | EdgEy: i haven't a clue |
| 00:05.10 | EdgEy | dpkg happy new year |
| 00:05.10 | dpkg | happy gnu year, edgey |
| 00:05.15 | EdgEy | yaaaay |
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| 00:06.00 | AdamWeston | awesome |
| 00:06.25 | AdamWeston | im installing sarge, and i just want to see if anyone thinks my partitioning plan is stupid |
| 00:06.43 | streuner__ | server or desktop-system= |
| 00:06.49 | streuner__ | ? |
| 00:06.54 | AdamWeston | workstation |
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| 00:07.37 | EdgEy | fuck |
| 00:07.41 | v7w | AdamWeston, happy 'Debian GNU/Linux' year |
| 00:07.49 | EdgEy | smoothwall is pay software? they supposedly work with my modem too |
| 00:07.49 | EdgEy | damn |
| 00:07.49 | PoonJ | how do I find out which port a process uses? |
| 00:07.50 | AdamWeston | root (6GB) /usr (6GB) /home (6GB) /var (6GB) /opt (6GB) |
| 00:07.50 | nsillik | is it embarrasing that i just spent a serious amount of time in gcompris? |
| 00:07.52 | PoonJ | whats the command? |
| 00:08.11 | streuner__ | netstat -pant |
| 00:08.12 | PoonJ | netstat..got it |
| 00:08.13 | PoonJ | thanks |
| 00:08.14 | AdamWeston | thanks v7w, same to you |
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| 00:08.23 | EdgEy | wait |
| 00:08.26 | EdgEy | it's like a distro |
| 00:08.28 | EdgEy | *slaps self* |
| 00:09.01 | nvz | AdamWeston: yeah it sounds pretty stupid to me |
| 00:09.07 | AdamWeston | =/ |
| 00:09.13 | foms | w00t it's the new year |
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| 00:09.45 | AdamWeston | i have a shiny new 120GB drive, so i dont need to be stingy |
| 00:09.47 | aedwards | I am having trouble doing apt-get dist-upgrade. Errors out on xlibmesa3, I have tried excluding the package via the preferences file but I was not able to get it to work. Can anyone provide some guidance. |
| 00:09.53 | nvz | AdamWeston: for one the rootfs is going to be very small since all the larger folders are mounded on top of it on other filesystems, and who needs 6gb of /opt? |
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| 00:10.12 | nvz | AdamWeston: is this just a desktop system? |
| 00:10.17 | dli | aedwards: what's the error in "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 00:10.18 | AdamWeston | yes |
| 00:10.27 | aedwards | I think it's failing because I have a nvidia card and I use their proprietery drivers |
| 00:10.35 | mwilson | aedwards: "errors out"? |
| 00:10.48 | nvz | AdamWeston: then use a pretty standard root, home, swap kinda thing unless you think anything is going to be growing significantly |
| 00:10.51 | dli | aedwards: I hate nvidia binary :( don't use it |
| 00:10.53 | mwilson | aedwards: Why would you think that? |
| 00:11.03 | The_Vulture | dli: why do you hate it? |
| 00:11.12 | nvz | AdamWeston: I only use root and home, and I only make a home so I dont accidentally fill up my rootfs.. |
| 00:11.14 | AdamWeston | i dont know what pretty standard is |
| 00:11.26 | dli | The_Vulture: because it freezes the whole system up |
| 00:11.26 | AdamWeston | everyone has differnet ideas, some make 10 partitions some make 2 |
| 00:11.49 | nvz | AdamWeston: and my root has never grown much over 2gb even with xwindows and a DE |
| 00:11.51 | dli | AdamWeston: since you have 120 GB, you can make 20 |
| 00:12.24 | nsillik | aedwards: i just installed xlibmesa3 while running the nvidia binary |
| 00:12.28 | nsillik | no problems in the install |
| 00:12.30 | nvz | AdamWeston: people make alot of partitions for the reason I described my scheme.. if you run a web.mail server, you want /var to be separate.. |
| 00:12.38 | aedwards | mwilson I tried dpkg -r on xlibmesa3 and it reported dependencies on xlibmesa3-glu. Nvidia driver the only things I have custom when I comes to videa |
| 00:12.59 | AdamWeston | one thing that may be an important factor, i expect to run at least a couple of virtual machines |
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| 00:13.02 | nvz | AdamWeston: if you are pretty much one user on a system and uncertain how to partition you are best of choosing a resonable rootfs size, then putting all the rest to your home dir |
| 00:13.11 | cmroc | is it posible to download the nvidia stuff off there website and compile |
| 00:13.17 | cmroc | with out usein the .deb |
| 00:13.29 | dli | cmroc: nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:13.43 | nsillik | cmroc: yes, that is what i did, there are no nVidia debs (that work well) on amd64 |
| 00:14.00 | aedwards | Get:1 ftp://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main xlibmesa3 4.1.0-16woody5 [3423kB] |
| 00:14.00 | aedwards | Fetched 3423kB in 22s (153kB/s) |
| 00:14.01 | aedwards | (Reading database ... 50162 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 00:14.01 | aedwards | Preparing to replace xlibmesa3 4.1.0-16woody3 (using .../xlibmesa3_4.1.0-16woody5_i386.deb) ... |
| 00:14.01 | aedwards | Unpacking replacement xlibmesa3 ... |
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| 00:14.02 | AdamWeston | i will probably run a web and ftp server, but for personal use |
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| 00:14.23 | nvz | AdamWeston: well just consider your usage. plus think of this.. make a resonably small /boot and/or root and install, as things grow you will see where yuo need more space, create a new partition, make the filesystem, mount it to /mnt, copy that dir over, then remount it |
| 00:14.24 | aedwards | sorry about that |
| 00:14.33 | nvz | AdamWeston: you can partition when the time comes, you dont have to do it all now |
| 00:15.04 | AdamWeston | ok |
| 00:15.25 | aedwards | Did you see my output from apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:15.25 | nvz | AdamWeston: a bad partition scheme just leaves you stuck.. then you end up with a /home full of pr0n and no unallocated space, and notice there is like 4gb or more free on root that you oversighted |
| 00:16.00 | AdamWeston | id much rather waste 4gb than run out |
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| 00:16.12 | AdamWeston | im not experienced enough to know where that would likely be |
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| 00:16.22 | nvz | AdamWeston: the linux kernel is very flexible, you can make filesystems and mount them in seconds without having to disturb the running system |
| 00:16.23 | Cueball | Happy new year to all GMT Users!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:16.57 | AdamWeston | but certain directories have to be phycically in the same partion as / right? |
| 00:17.21 | AdamWeston | i read... /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib and /dev |
| 00:17.26 | nsillik | yes |
| 00:17.34 | nvz | AdamWeston: linux uses whats called a virtual filesystem, / is where the rootfs is mounted.. after that everything is relative to that |
| 00:17.37 | EdgEy | some aren't actually directories... |
| 00:17.48 | EdgEy | i don't think /dev needs a partition does it.. |
| 00:17.56 | arthurgeek | i want to create my own debian package, with a lot of patches. it's just: "apt-get source package, enter in package path/debian, create a patches dir dd all my patche to this dir, and the back to package paths and run dpkg-buildpackage" ? |
| 00:17.59 | nsillik | AdamWeston: make /home a seperate partition and /usr, and /var if you want to |
| 00:18.00 | EdgEy | meh... bbl |
| 00:18.04 | nvz | AdamWeston: if you make a new fs, mount it to /mnt and move/copy all data from /usr to /mnt then remount /mnt to /usr its fine |
| 00:18.05 | foms | AdomWeston: those total exactly 100M on my system |
| 00:18.26 | AdamWeston | i see nvz |
| 00:18.29 | EdgEy | heh |
| 00:18.38 | EdgEy | i just used debian's sarge installer and let it choose the partitions |
| 00:18.48 | nvz | AdamWeston: you can change your setup as long as you leave unpartitioned space, at any time |
| 00:18.48 | EdgEy | turned out 700mb swap, 7gb /, rest /home |
| 00:19.04 | nvz | AdamWeston: or if you use LVM, which allows more logical manipulation of volumes |
| 00:19.20 | AdamWeston | im installing winxp as well (first), so i want to figure out something appropriate |
| 00:19.41 | arthurgeek | any1? |
| 00:19.46 | EdgEy | AdamWeston if you're a noob to linux (like me) |
| 00:19.49 | nvz | AdamWeston: yes, good install that first, leave yourself plenty of space for windows, linux really doesnt need much. |
| 00:19.51 | EdgEy | it's easier to just let debian decide... |
| 00:20.08 | dondelelcaro | peterS: thanks! ;-) |
| 00:20.09 | Gathond | AdamWeston: but yes /sbin, /bin, /lib and friends probably need to be onb your / |
| 00:20.12 | EdgEy | nvz i'd say it's more of a "winxp doesnt like linux" issue |
| 00:20.13 | EdgEy | :P |
| 00:20.18 | AdamWeston | but debian will take all available space wont it? |
| 00:20.23 | EdgEy | AdamWeston no |
| 00:20.28 | nite_fly | what do i install to get to a package manager in console ? |
| 00:20.28 | EdgEy | you get to choose... |
| 00:20.30 | EdgEy | BUT |
| 00:20.38 | EdgEy | it is an advantage to install debian second |
| 00:20.50 | EdgEy | that way you'd have grub... and not whatever winxp decided to install ontop |
| 00:20.55 | AdamWeston | right, its easier to set up the bootloader at least, i know that |
| 00:21.08 | nvz | EdgEy: well I know about that, but windows programs dont all share the same libs and shit like linux programs and take up alot of space.. so he needs to make sure if he is going to dual boot he gives enough space to windows. |
| 00:21.19 | dli | EdgEy: you can easily recover grub with the installation cd |
| 00:21.20 | _d4vid | happy new year .. all |
| 00:21.24 | aedwards | mwilson you still here? |
| 00:21.27 | EdgEy | nvz windows needs like, 5gb, maybe 10gb max for a boot partition |
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| 00:21.33 | arthurgeek | i want to create my own debian package, with a lot of patches. it's just: "apt-get source package, enter in package path/debian, create a patches dir dd all my patche to this dir, and the back to package paths and run dpkg-buildpackage" ? |
| 00:21.36 | EdgEy | i left 10GB here.. |
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| 00:21.38 | AdamWeston | I know how much space it needs for what |
| 00:21.49 | dli | _d4vid: it's still one month before the chinese new year :( |
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| 00:21.54 | nvz | EdgEy: yeah but you have to factor in everything you use.. not just the installation size |
| 00:22.08 | AdamWeston | ive installed windows many times |
| 00:22.09 | EdgEy | nvz the install would fit in under 1.5gb |
| 00:22.13 | EdgEy | i am factoring that in |
| 00:22.21 | nvz | EdgEy: if you are a gamer, you may not want a 5gb NTFS drive and have to uninstall a game everytime you want to plave a new one |
| 00:22.23 | dli | EdgEy: my /usr is 3.5 GB |
| 00:22.26 | _d4vid | *i come from germany.. |
| 00:22.34 | EdgEy | nvz you'd make two partitions |
| 00:22.44 | dli | _d4vid: so happy new year to you :) |
| 00:22.45 | EdgEy | you'd probably want to make a largish fat32 drive, then you can install to there and share data between linux and win |
| 00:22.53 | EdgEy | [C:] 8,245.82 MB free, 10,244.54 MB total. |
| 00:22.54 | EdgEy | [D:] 20,178.99 MB free, 90,608.76 MB total. |
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| 00:22.56 | _d4vid | dli, thnx : |
| 00:22.58 | _d4vid | P |
| 00:22.58 | AdamWeston | ok well, ill probably try the auto-partition |
| 00:23.00 | EdgEy | like on mine... except D is ntfs hehe |
| 00:23.11 | crispexi | FieldySnuts crikey mate, i haven't seen you in donkey years! |
| 00:23.20 | FieldySnuts | piss off mate |
| 00:23.20 | nvz | EdgEy: no you would.. I wouldnt use windows to begin with, and if I did, I would install everything onto a linux fileserver so I could make the windows install as minimal as possible |
| 00:23.26 | AdamWeston | im sure it will let me see/change what its doing if need be/ |
| 00:23.35 | FieldySnuts | @lart crispexi |
| 00:23.42 | FieldySnuts | oh come on you can do better |
| 00:23.46 | FieldySnuts | @lart crispexi |
| 00:23.53 | EdgEy | nvz cmon thats nitpicking you know i didn't mean YOU :P |
| 00:24.05 | crispexi | ): |
| 00:24.14 | EdgEy | anyways... i need to sort out this eciadsl shit cause it's pissing me off now |
| 00:24.20 | dli | my node is seriously out of memory, what do I do? |
| 00:24.26 | crispexi | @mhallsmite helix |
| 00:24.29 | cHaPlinux | here - http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/, the Torrent is with the date already of 12-26-2004, already it comes with the new packages? |
| 00:24.30 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.41 | crispexi | !mhallsmite helix |
| 00:24.42 | dpkg | Fuck helix. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 00:24.44 | helix | crispexi: ? |
| 00:24.46 | AdamWeston | sorry i brought it up |
| 00:25.12 | helix | is this one of my stalkers? |
| 00:25.13 | AdamWeston | realnetworks helix? |
| 00:25.19 | cafuego | helix: muahahahaaaaa! |
| 00:25.33 | nvz | helix: who knows, seems a bit random, I dont see how you got pulled into it. |
| 00:25.39 | helix | I wish I had interesting stalkers |
| 00:25.43 | aedwards | One more shot folks. I am get dpkg errors on xlibmesa3 when I try to do a apt-get dist-upgrade. Can anyone help? |
| 00:25.50 | cafuego | helix: I suppose that's what you get for naming yourself after a piece of software ;-) |
| 00:25.55 | The_Vulture | helix: what? I'm not interesting.. ah well, I do try. |
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| 00:26.10 | v7w | helix, happy 'Debian GNU/Linux' year |
| 00:26.13 | dli | aedwards: apt-get -f install and dpkg |
| 00:26.18 | foms | aedwards: what errors? (read topic before replying) |
| 00:26.19 | crispexi | helix, FieldySnuts made me do it. |
| 00:26.25 | FieldySnuts | yeah that's the ticket |
| 00:26.29 | helix | crispexi: is that so |
| 00:26.30 | cafuego | !helixsmite crispexi |
| 00:26.31 | aedwards | dli apt-get install comes up clean |
| 00:26.38 | FieldySnuts | came in here and started trolling me ;) |
| 00:26.42 | dli | aedwards: apt-get -f install |
| 00:26.56 | helix | v7w: same to you :) |
| 00:26.57 | aedwards | it says, 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 00:27.03 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: That's what it's all about. |
| 00:27.13 | FieldySnuts | hell yeah |
| 00:27.19 | FieldySnuts | or, something. |
| 00:27.30 | cafuego | Oh, 1st hangover of 2005! |
| 00:27.32 | dli | aedwards: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:27.39 | FieldySnuts | ack pizzas here early and i'm not dressed! |
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| 00:27.50 | AdamWeston | just answer naked |
| 00:27.54 | AdamWeston | they dont care |
| 00:27.55 | aedwards | it says, trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libGLU.so.1.3', which is also in package xlibmesa3-glu |
| 00:28.14 | aedwards | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa3_4.1.0-16woody5_i386.deb |
| 00:28.14 | dpkg | aedwards: You are moron #27 |
| 00:28.35 | AdamWeston | hah |
| 00:28.44 | foms | aedwards: my solution is usually 'apt-get --purge remove' and 'apt-get install' the offending packages |
| 00:28.48 | nite_fly | is there a program i can use to select and deselect packages through console ? |
| 00:28.48 | dli | aedwards: dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibmesa3_4.1.0-16woody5 |
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| 00:29.23 | nsillik | what keyserver should i use for gpg? and how do i add it? |
| 00:29.25 | moodsoft | hi all, I have just bought a new printer, what's the best way to tell debian/kde about it? |
| 00:29.49 | nsillik | i got the second part, now, which should i use? |
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| 00:29.53 | cafuego | nsillik: Add the mit one. |
| 00:29.53 | dli | moodsoft: kde printer manager |
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| 00:30.03 | nsillik | cafuego: pgp.mit.edu? |
| 00:30.17 | cafuego | phpkeys.mit.edu:117-something |
| 00:31.12 | aedwards | dli Thank you that worked |
| 00:31.23 | FieldySnuts | heh i think pizza guy drove away ;x |
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| 00:31.42 | dli | aedwards: don't use nvidia binary, if you can |
| 00:32.16 | moodsoft | dli: ok, I have that up, what option do I choose? add printer class is grayed out |
| 00:32.35 | cHaPlinux | ? |
| 00:32.38 | dli | moodsoft: add printer, or something :) |
| 00:32.58 | moodsoft | or I suppose that is something that need to be root to add it? |
| 00:33.10 | AdamWeston | likely |
| 00:33.32 | moodsoft | what's the command from the command prompt? |
| 00:33.41 | dli | moodsoft: of course, you need hardware support first, something like "dmesg" or "lsusb", of cupsd.conf |
| 00:33.42 | aedwards | dli, do you have any knowledge to impart on how to move off of the nvidia drivers |
| 00:33.44 | cHaPlinux | The new images of the Sarge of day 26, already use kernel 2.6.9 as installation standard? |
| 00:33.50 | mwilson | KDE adds and subtracts printers? Brrrr. |
| 00:34.16 | dli | aedwards: in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, use Driver "nv", instead of Driver "nvidia" |
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| 00:35.30 | mwilson | I love how no one even asks him which printing system he's using. |
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| 00:36.00 | dli | mwilson: since he didn't mention, I think cups is for kde guys |
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| 00:36.13 | simonrvn | feh |
| 00:36.14 | cafuego | dli: cups is for sane guys. |
| 00:36.21 | cafuego | dli: KDE guys aren't sane. |
| 00:36.27 | mwilson | cups is for people not really interested in printing. |
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| 00:36.35 | cmroc | ah no cups in sarge ? |
| 00:36.43 | usuario | I have speakers, that don't really say anything but DC in, would it be already to use a class 2 transformer that says output 6V? |
| 00:36.43 | cafuego | cmroc: Lots of cups in sarge |
| 00:36.48 | dli | cafuego: I use gnome :( |
| 00:36.53 | mwilson | cmroc: Did someone say cups wasn't in sarge? |
| 00:36.56 | cafuego | dli: So do it. |
| 00:37.14 | cafuego | dli: CUPS works very well with it. |
| 00:37.17 | dli | cmroc: apt-get install cupsys |
| 00:37.19 | mwilson | usuario: If the speakers require 6v. |
| 00:37.34 | cafuego | dli: (Despite that mwilson may thing about 1) it or 2) the way it is packaged) |
| 00:37.48 | mwilson | CUPS is this incredibly fragile POS. |
| 00:37.56 | usuario | mwilson they ask for 12 volts |
| 00:38.11 | cafuego | mwilson: I had never noticed that, as it seems to just print when it needs to print. |
| 00:38.12 | cmroc | dli: thanks |
| 00:38.14 | mwilson | usuario: Then why do you think a 6v pack is sufficient? |
| 00:38.25 | AdamWeston | they probabl wont be as loud usario |
| 00:38.37 | AdamWeston | because its jsut speakers |
| 00:38.51 | usuario | usuario because it's all I have : ) plus, I did get sound with 'em I'm more interested about if that will damage the speakers or not |
| 00:38.59 | mwilson | AdamWeston: Except that it's not, of course, otherwise the power pack wouldn't be required at all. |
| 00:38.59 | AdamWeston | unless they have some complicated electronics, they should work with less voltage |
| 00:39.17 | mwilson | Oh, brother. |
| 00:39.19 | FieldySnuts | not 50% lessl] |
| 00:39.22 | cafuego | usuario: No, it won't damage the speakers. Don't know about the built-in amp (coz the speakers themselves don't need power) |
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| 00:39.32 | FieldySnuts | if you don't give it the voltage it wants, the current will go up and that can do damage. |
| 00:39.42 | FieldySnuts | if you don't like the speakers, go for it |
| 00:39.57 | usuario | cafuego other speakers will play without their transformer, but oddly these won't unless I have one |
| 00:40.19 | dondelelcaro | usuario: that really depends on the amp circuit that is in place. |
| 00:40.23 | cafuego | usuario: they have an amplifier built-in, which is what the power is for. |
| 00:40.26 | usuario | Now, what if I use an AC adapter for DC equipment? |
| 00:40.34 | AdamWeston | not good |
| 00:40.37 | FieldySnuts | ok. troll. |
| 00:40.40 | cafuego | usuario: It'll blow up in a sea of sparks. |
| 00:40.41 | dondelelcaro | usuario: you'll generally blow a diode. |
| 00:40.49 | mwilson | usuario: The reverse will often work. |
| 00:40.51 | cafuego | (or a nasty ozone smell) |
| 00:41.03 | mwilson | usuario: As usually the device is rectifying AC anyway. |
| 00:41.07 | usuario | Well, I was doing that for a while. It worked for a while. |
| 00:41.14 | npx | ehehhehe ehehehhe rectifying |
| 00:41.23 | nvz | heh, dumb ass |
| 00:41.34 | peterS | ha |
| 00:41.45 | usuario | mwilson I don't know what rectifying AC means. |
| 00:41.49 | cafuego | here, hold this 240v wire whilst i check the fuses... |
| 00:41.54 | peterS | usuario: presumably he means it outputs a square wave |
| 00:42.12 | nvz | a bridge rectifier is a circut comprimised of diodes and capacitors that restricts the flow of current in one direction and smooths it out to Direct Current |
| 00:42.20 | mwilson | Why do I bother? |
| 00:42.25 | FieldySnuts | indeed |
| 00:42.33 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: you're just a glutton for punishment... |
| 00:42.41 | cafuego | mwilson: An overwhelmin need to see 'good' in people? |
| 00:42.46 | mwilson | I really just need to go back to /ignore-ing the stupid. |
| 00:42.54 | npx | mwilson: dude you need a hug |
| 00:43.00 | pipeline | Interesting. udev's maintainer is a gentoo developer. That explains some things. |
| 00:43.06 | FieldySnuts | npx: dude you need a clue |
| 00:43.17 | simonrvn | rectalfrying |
| 00:43.20 | mwilson | When did Marco become a Gentoo developer? |
| 00:43.21 | npx | =D |
| 00:43.27 | nvz | you get like ~-_-~-_-~ current then the diodes take it to -_- -_-, and the capasitors even it out to - - - - |
| 00:43.38 | mwilson | I think you mean udev's *creator* is a Gentoo developer. |
| 00:43.50 | npx | nvz and then that leads to 8========D ({}) |
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| 00:44.02 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 00:44.02 | npx | nvz, and that sums up my dissertation on the creation of babies |
| 00:44.04 | nvz | like I said, dumb ass |
| 00:44.05 | npx | any questions? |
| 00:44.08 | nvz | heh |
| 00:44.09 | AdamWeston | ( @ )( @ ) |
| 00:44.16 | simonrvn | ... |
| 00:44.22 | npx | <3 |
| 00:44.24 | pipeline | mwilson: No, the maintainer of the udev kernel project. Not the udev package. I have nothing bad to say about the udev package. |
| 00:44.27 | xerophyte | Does anybody know any good tool that replace this http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/dconf/ ??? |
| 00:44.44 | usuario | thanks fer the info, sorry I angered Mr. Wilson, haha |
| 00:44.51 | mwilson | pipeline: Yes, in other words, the creator of udev, Greg K-H. |
| 00:45.09 | npx | FieldySnuts: you're a clever guy |
| 00:45.26 | FieldySnuts | not really. |
| 00:45.28 | cafuego | I hope that doesn't mean we'll be getting gentoo articles in LJ. |
| 00:45.34 | FieldySnuts | simonrvn: i'm eating, you do it hehe |
| 00:45.36 | cafuego | that might make me have to cancel it |
| 00:45.43 | simonrvn | @lart npx |
| 00:45.50 | mwilson | cafuego: It couldn't make LJ any worse. |
| 00:45.53 | npx | simonrvn: Q3DM7 NOW?! |
| 00:45.57 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: not to my knowledge... although, if you're using debconf, that sort of thing just takes care of itself... |
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| 00:46.06 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: ;) |
| 00:46.08 | mwilson | cafuego: I've been regretting my subscription for several months now. |
| 00:46.15 | Roey | peterS: back |
| 00:46.21 | Roey | peterS: so I have [x] Mice |
| 00:46.27 | Roey | peterS: rather, [*] Mice |
| 00:46.28 | cafuego | mwilson: You *can* cancel it, you know. |
| 00:46.39 | Roey | peterS: where would the AT keyboard configuration be?? |
| 00:46.40 | peterS | Roey: yeah, but it was your keyboard that didn't work, yes? |
| 00:46.42 | cafuego | mwilson: Tell them the baby photos made you do it. |
| 00:46.47 | mwilson | cafuego: Yes, but I can't get the money back. |
| 00:46.49 | pipeline | mwilson: Yes. He's been involved with gentoo. Which serves to explain some things. |
| 00:47.00 | xdr | happy new year |
| 00:47.10 | nite_fly | how can i display stopped jobs / |
| 00:47.16 | cafuego | nite_fly: 'jobs' |
| 00:47.20 | peterS | Roey: really it should get built in automatically unless you set a special option for 'embedded mode' where it asks you questions like that about stuff *almost* everyone wants |
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| 00:47.36 | mwilson | pipeline: Hm? There are intelligent people involved with Gentoo. They're just much overshadowed by the incredible number of absolute morons involved with Gentoo. |
| 00:47.44 | dli | nite_fly: of just "ps fx" |
| 00:47.56 | nite_fly | HOW DO I KILL STOPPED JOBS ? sorry bout the caps |
| 00:48.01 | moodsoft | hi all, my new printer is an 802.11g printer is there a way to test to see if linux can see it? |
| 00:48.10 | Roey | peterS: I see. |
| 00:48.10 | dli | nite_fly: kill, killall, pkill |
| 00:48.11 | The_Vulture | nite_fly: with "kill" perhaps? |
| 00:48.24 | Roey | peterS: one sec. |
| 00:48.33 | npx | It'd be cool if the hurd ever got done |
| 00:48.34 | Zero_Dogg | is there a OSS package containing a mozilla plugin? |
| 00:48.36 | npx | maybe 2029? |
| 00:48.41 | nite_fly | when i try to kill the pid of the stopped job i get no suck pid |
| 00:48.47 | pipeline | mwilson: udev, like gentoo, is half-baked. |
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| 00:48.54 | Zero_Dogg | err |
| 00:48.56 | Zero_Dogg | mozilla java plugin |
| 00:49.10 | peterS | nite_fly: then it's probably already dead, and if you do 'fg %jobnum' it will exit. or something. |
| 00:49.12 | dli | nite_fly: ps fx to find the pid, or simply use pkill |
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| 00:49.35 | cafuego | nite_fly: 'jobs' to display the jobs and 'kill %<number>' to kill 'e,. |
| 00:49.53 | mwilson | cafuego: The sad thing is that LJ is the best of a very bad lot. |
| 00:50.08 | moodsoft | anyone? |
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| 00:50.18 | FieldySnuts | everyone? |
| 00:50.25 | peterS | no one |
| 00:50.28 | nite_fly | kill %job# worked |
| 00:50.44 | nite_fly | why couldnt i kill using pid ? |
| 00:50.57 | FieldySnuts | how'd you find the pid? |
| 00:51.04 | FieldySnuts | the number next to it in jobs is not the pid |
| 00:51.42 | JaMaL | hello where shell i put the files ending with .pl and .cgi , can't find cgi-bin in /var/www |
| 00:51.42 | nite_fly | ps |
| 00:51.42 | dli | FieldySnuts: I guess he did "kill 1" |
| 00:51.43 | cafuego | JaMaL: /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 00:51.43 | FieldySnuts | wherever your ScriptAlias or someting points |
| 00:51.43 | peterS | JaMaL: wherever you want. you have to set up apache to recognise it as a script dir |
| 00:51.43 | nite_fly | FieldySnuts, i know that |
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| 00:51.58 | JaMaL | peterS i have some files there |
| 00:52.08 | peterS | also, "cgi-bin" in URLs looks very 1995 |
| 00:52.35 | cafuego | peterS: yeah, /cmd-exe/ is way cooler |
| 00:52.40 | peterS | JaMaL: yes, /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ ships with some stuff. but that's where debian packages deposit their cgi - you presumably would want something different |
| 00:53.07 | AdamWeston | how embarassing, an old-school looking url |
| 00:53.10 | JaMaL | peterS i did apt-get install apache apache-ssl apache-perl apache-cgi |
| 00:53.20 | simonrvn | nothing wrong with old school |
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| 00:53.25 | cafuego | JaMaL: So all you have is apache-cgi now. |
| 00:54.03 | JaMaL | cafuego ? |
| 00:54.06 | JaMaL | i did that |
| 00:54.17 | cafuego | JaMaL: Yes, apt each package replaces the previous one. |
| 00:54.27 | JaMaL | aha ok |
| 00:54.38 | nite_fly | whats the proper way to exit man pages ? |
| 00:54.44 | simonrvn | q |
| 00:54.47 | nite_fly | ctrl | |
| 00:54.53 | nite_fly | q dont work |
| 00:55.01 | simonrvn | install less |
| 00:55.02 | cafuego | JaMaL: Just 'apache' suffices. You can add functionality by installing modules. (libapache-mod-FOO) |
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| 00:55.21 | JaMaL | done that |
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| 00:55.28 | Neerlan_Amorim | happy new year to you all |
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| 00:55.38 | JaMaL | https://localhost:443/ |
| 00:55.40 | JaMaL | isn't that |
| 00:55.52 | dli | Neerlan_Amorim: not new year for everyone |
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| 00:56.17 | cafuego | No, it's already old, dried up and starting to go mouldy here. |
| 00:56.27 | arthurgeek | how to create a patched debian package? |
| 00:56.56 | green_earz | Neerlan_Amorim: and may the source be with you |
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| 00:57.17 | dli | arthurgeek: apt-get source, patch, and debian/rules, do you mean kernel-patch? |
| 00:57.22 | nite_fly | would setting up a linux box as my firewall be better than my cheaopo linksysy firewall ? |
| 00:57.24 | v7w | atomicdog, apt-get source ${package} |
| 00:57.42 | AdamWeston | nite: it would be more configurable |
| 00:57.44 | FieldySnuts | nite_fly: if you know what you're doing, yes, otherwise just stick with the cheapo |
| 00:57.49 | arthurgeek | dli, xmms patches |
| 00:58.05 | nite_fly | cheapo better than nothing |
| 00:58.08 | nite_fly | :) |
| 00:58.13 | v7w | atomicdog, y luego lo modificas, cambiando debian/changelog, debian/control |
| 00:58.15 | dli | arthurgeek: I suppose, it's more likely "apt-cache search xmms|less" |
| 00:58.17 | WiFiTux | arthurgeek, so you have the tarball patched and want to make it a deb? |
| 00:58.19 | nite_fly | i wonder how much it really helps |
| 00:58.20 | mick_laptop | arthurgeek: what kind of patches (out of curiousity) |
| 00:58.34 | simonrvn | hmm, 2.2.20 or cvs? |
| 00:58.43 | arthurgeek | WiFiTux, nope, i have the pacthes |
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| 00:59.01 | arthurgeek | http://dev.gentoo.org/~eradicator/xmms/ |
| 00:59.04 | WiFiTux | arthurgeek, so, you just want to patch xmms? |
| 00:59.17 | helix | cmroc: don't do that |
| 00:59.19 | WiFiTux | arthurgeek, this is in gentoo? |
| 00:59.21 | dli | arthurgeek: then, try "apt-get source xmms" :( |
| 00:59.31 | v7w | atomicdog, sorry wrong language, then you change it and update debian/changelog, debian/control |
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| 00:59.44 | arthurgeek | dli, ok, but then patch it, and run dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 00:59.57 | WiFiTux | arthurgeek, yes |
| 01:00.04 | arthurgeek | WiFiTux, yews, apply these gentoo patchjes to xmms |
| 01:00.07 | dli | arthurgeek: debian/rules binary |
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| 01:00.15 | v7w | atomicdog, and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 01:00.17 | arthurgeek | thanks! |
| 01:00.23 | WiFiTux | arthurgeek, ask in #gentoo |
| 01:01.00 | WiFiTux | v7w, it's arthurgeek not atomicdog.. |
| 01:01.21 | lsailor | i am need of some help. i have a dedicated server and the hard drive is failing. they put a new drive in it and installed debian, and the old drive is the slave, what is going to be the best way to get all the data from the old drive to the new |
| 01:01.30 | arthurgeek | ok, thanks all, i'll try later, when back from new year's fest...hasha |
| 01:01.50 | v7w | arthurgeek, apt-get source ${package} |
| 01:02.04 | scarynetworkguy | not a very dedicated server if it let it's HDD fail is it? |
| 01:02.05 | v7w | arthurgeek, then you change it and update debian/changelog, debian/control |
| 01:02.11 | WiFiTux | lsailor, something like dd /dev/hdc /hda |
| 01:02.13 | Tom- | mount -text3 -oro /dev/hdd /mnt && cp -auvx /mnt /root/backup |
| 01:02.19 | v7w | arthurgeek, and run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
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| 01:03.06 | moodsoft | how do I tell debian that numlock is on regardless of anything? |
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| 01:03.10 | v7w | WiFiTux, thanks, sorry for the mess |
| 01:03.19 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 01:03.21 | Tom- | Lsailor: dd is okay if you have the same drive geometry... I assumed you wanted to copy the filesystem |
| 01:03.32 | Tom- | Lsailor: also my mount instructions assume one filesystem |
| 01:03.35 | WiFiTux | Tom-, ok, good to know. |
| 01:04.07 | nvz | Is there a document that better outlines what kind of package one should choose for a new maintainer? I imagine it should be something I've used, and know a lot about, but is there any sorts of restrictions or expectations on a new maintainer? |
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| 01:04.38 | Tom- | Wifitux: It's probably fairly forgiving |
| 01:04.45 | lsailor | Tom...the drive is not setup the same...the did not ask before they did it...so the new drive is one partion and the old drive has many |
| 01:05.00 | WiFiTux | Tom-, so if you are upgrading from a 10gb to a 40gb you use that command? will that also move the mbr? |
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| 01:05.28 | Tom- | just carefully mount all the old drive's partitions and use cp |
| 01:05.54 | Tom- | Wifitux: I was assuming that the boot sector is not accessed via /dev/hdd but the partition table is. But I haven't checked that. |
| 01:06.45 | Tom- | I see "LILO" at the beginning of my /dev/hda so I guess it does get the MBR :-) |
| 01:06.55 | lsailor | Tom: thanks...that is what i was thinking...as i was checking things out... i mounted the old /usr and now when i try and umount it says it is busy?? |
| 01:07.03 | nvz | looking at the orphaned, up for adoption and requested packages doesnt really spark any interest =P other than some packages that are perhaps base packages, and it doesnt seem to me like a new maintainer should really be doing anything in base .. heh |
| 01:07.04 | WiFiTux | Tom-, :) Cool. |
| 01:07.08 | peterS | Tom-: the partition table is *in* the boot sector. so yeah, they're both accessible in /dev/hdd |
| 01:07.47 | Tom- | Peters: Ah, thank you :-) |
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| 01:08.44 | somethingbad | *** 4ESTITA NOVA GODINA *** |
| 01:08.46 | MiviX | hi all and happy new year from Mexico |
| 01:08.46 | WiFiTux | what da hell, away from the PC a week and now I have to upgrade Sid 204MB! :/ |
| 01:08.52 | bighead | what is the package name for gtk-sharp? |
| 01:09.04 | WiFiTux | !tequila MiviX |
| 01:09.07 | bighead | I have libgtk-cil installed, but I can't run my Gtk/C# program :-/ |
| 01:09.13 | nvz | somethingbad: what are you trying to say exactly, you want to be removed? |
| 01:09.41 | somethingbad | ops... i'm using wallchan i'm sorry :( just wantet to say happy new year :) (in bulgarian) |
| 01:09.49 | MiviX | :) |
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| 01:10.07 | nvz | somethingbad: heh, well this is an english channel. |
| 01:10.08 | Tom- | Lsailor: er, sorry I forgot about you |
| 01:10.21 | nvz | somethingbad: I think we could let a happy new year go, even though its not nessicary |
| 01:10.25 | somethingbad | nvz, I SAY I'M SORRY! |
| 01:10.34 | lsailor | Tom-: no worries...how can i unmount /usr |
| 01:10.41 | Tom- | Lsailor: if a program is in a directory in usr, like if you have changed into a directory in bash there, then it's considered "busy" |
| 01:10.42 | nvz | somethingbad: I heard you, no worries |
| 01:10.46 | FieldySnuts | @lart somethingbad |
| 01:10.59 | Tom- | Lsailor: Figuring out which program that is is tricky... fuser? lsof? anyone know offhand? |
| 01:11.14 | JaMaL | SysTeMz:/etc/apache# apache |
| 01:11.14 | JaMaL | [Sat Jan 1 03:11:27 2005] [warn] module config_log_module is already loaded, skipping |
| 01:11.14 | JaMaL | [Sat Jan 1 03:11:27 2005] [warn] module mime_module is already loaded, skipping |
| 01:11.14 | JaMaL | SysTeMz:/etc/apache# |
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| 01:11.18 | JaMaL | how to fix that ? |
| 01:11.25 | FieldySnuts | die |
| 01:11.26 | nvz | WiFiTux: world readable |
| 01:11.37 | Tom- | world modifiable |
| 01:11.38 | nvz | WiFiTux: well rwx |
| 01:11.38 | FieldySnuts | world readable, writable, executable |
| 01:11.43 | WiFiTux | nvz, ahh everyone can see the files. :) |
| 01:11.50 | sussudio | !aw nvz |
| 01:11.50 | nvz | WiFiTux: and tamper with them |
| 01:11.50 | dpkg | nvz: you action whore! |
| 01:11.59 | FieldySnuts | heh sussudio |
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| 01:12.06 | Tom- | Jamal: You can remove redundant module lines in /etc/apache/ something configuration |
| 01:12.10 | lsailor | Tom-: it is not bash..i made sure of that |
| 01:12.19 | Tom- | well fine |
| 01:12.20 | nvz | sussudio: yeah, I am I guess. but that was random... were you just looking at debstats? |
| 01:12.27 | nvz | I havent even used an action recently |
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| 01:12.52 | sussudio | nvz: yes |
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| 01:13.15 | sussudio | nvz: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb0412.html |
| 01:13.22 | lsailor | Tom-: when i do ps aux... it looks like everything is using something in /usr apache inetd mysql etc |
| 01:13.26 | nvz | sussudio: yeah I'll have to dig for it, but I was talking about it not long ago.. |
| 01:13.43 | somethingbad | hmz... strange why you are behind the computers.... |
| 01:14.18 | Xemacs | testing |
| 01:14.20 | Tom- | Lsailor: wait wait...y ou mounted the old /usr over top of the new /usr? |
| 01:14.31 | nvz | somethingbad: heh, its just another day in #debian |
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| 01:14.40 | Tom- | by the way, the best way to find out what is using a filesystem appears to be: fuser -v /floppy/ |
| 01:15.02 | lsailor | i am not sure if it is over the top... i just did mount -t ext2 /dev/hdb5 /usr |
| 01:15.08 | somethingbad | nvz, lol ;) |
| 01:15.10 | Tom- | yeah that would be over top |
| 01:15.15 | lsailor | ouch |
| 01:15.26 | nvz | somethingbad: staffers, ops, and regular users work around the clock.. this isn't a business, we dont sleep, its a worldwide organization.. |
| 01:15.31 | lsailor | how can i fix it? |
| 01:15.32 | WiFiTux | sussudio, hehe! some nice stats |
| 01:15.34 | somethingbad | * hluc * |
| 01:16.03 | Tom- | Lsailor: did you start Apache and all that after you did that mount? |
| 01:16.03 | somethingbad | nvz, i dont sleep... here is 03:15... i come back home before 10 minutes;) |
| 01:16.05 | Tom- | Lsailor: fuser -k /usr/ if you dare |
| 01:16.15 | somethingbad | but it's new year... |
| 01:16.19 | somethingbad | have to dance, drink etc. |
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| 01:16.31 | dhuv | hello all |
| 01:16.31 | lsailor | Tom-: they were already running |
| 01:16.32 | nvz | its only 7:15pm here in Lake Dallas |
| 01:16.35 | somethingbad | it isn't a simple day... |
| 01:16.56 | dhuv | how can i get the synaptic package manager to start getting packages from unstable rather than stable |
| 01:17.03 | Tom- | Lsailor: It's odd how Linux would consider it used then... maybe they opened the libraries again but anyway |
| 01:17.08 | dhuv | there are a couple of apps that i would like to try out from there |
| 01:17.15 | JaMaL | webmin sucks |
| 01:17.25 | Tom- | Lsailor: fuser -k /usr or reboot :-) |
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| 01:18.21 | JaMaL | how i can give the same right of the root to a user i have over my box , |
| 01:18.32 | green_earz | JaMaL: have you check out system log and shorewall in webmin ? very usefull linux tools |
| 01:18.51 | lunaphyte | regarding iptables - what is the difference between adding 'pre-up /etc/my-firewall.sh' to /etc/network/interfaces' and putting my-firewall.sh in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ ? |
| 01:18.58 | WiFiTux | JaMaL, well make them part of the root group I guess |
| 01:19.04 | JaMaL | green_earz i can't access it globaly i have to get the box |
| 01:19.13 | JaMaL | WiFiTux i did adduser username root |
| 01:19.14 | JaMaL | noting |
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| 01:19.46 | WiFiTux | JaMaL, well cat /etc/groups | grep root |
| 01:19.49 | JaMaL | sshd went mad |
| 01:20.13 | lsailor | Tom-: i get back /usr user root then no automatic removal... please use umount /usr... so since that does not work, i guess i have to reboot? |
| 01:20.16 | JaMaL | lool i have to get my box in my hands and reconfigure it |
| 01:20.37 | green_earz | JaMaL: access webmin localy and set the ip access to the box you are working from. |
| 01:20.58 | nvz | sussudio: ^ |
| 01:21.03 | JaMaL | green_earz my system can read the computer but not accessing any thing |
| 01:21.20 | JaMaL | i will format it |
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| 01:21.54 | Tom- | Lsailor: Hmm I don't know what those messages mean. You may as well reboot. Next time, make a directory under /mnt or use /mnt or osmething and carefully mount everything there |
| 01:22.02 | cafuego | nvz: 'man rm' |
| 01:22.05 | peterS | nvz: good call |
| 01:22.06 | Tom- | the / directory as /mnt, the /usr directory as /mnt/usr, etc |
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| 01:22.19 | logged | Is GNOME 2.8 available for Debian?????? |
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| 01:22.27 | lsailor | Tom-: thanks for the help...i will try that |
| 01:22.28 | dli | logged: sarge |
| 01:22.32 | WiFiTux | logged, topic |
| 01:22.33 | mwilson | logged: Question mark key stuck? |
| 01:22.49 | nvz | yeah all this time I have been trying to think of how I can figure out whats what in my irclogs, and trying to think about putting dates in, and all I have to do is rotate em daily, and compile em back together when I search, like I already do anyhow |
| 01:23.03 | logged | ? |
| 01:23.06 | WiFiTux | logged, actually is in Sid. |
| 01:23.12 | logged | WiFiTux: ok |
| 01:23.12 | nvz | shit I could do that easily with a crontab |
| 01:23.18 | logged | WiFiTux: what if I want to install it? |
| 01:23.20 | WiFiTux | I don't think it's in Sarge. |
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| 01:23.35 | WiFiTux | logged, change the sources to unstable and install it |
| 01:23.43 | logged | WiFiTux: How do I know if GNOME is available to Debian? |
| 01:23.44 | toresbe | WiFiTux: It's going into sarge soon |
| 01:24.01 | Tom- | Lsailor: and use the -auv options to cp to copy the whole thing somewhere... whether or not you want to overwrite all the old stuff is a judgement call I guess |
| 01:24.02 | green_earz | JaMaL: look in webmin > webmin-configuration > ip access control |
| 01:24.02 | logged | WiFiTux: but the version 2.8 ain't unstable...is it? |
| 01:24.05 | WiFiTux | logged, I'm telling you it is! |
| 01:24.10 | toresbe | anyone know anything about installing Linux on the 9210? |
| 01:24.15 | JaMaL | green_earz the httpd won't work |
| 01:24.16 | WiFiTux | logged, it's into unstable. |
| 01:24.23 | WiFiTux | toresbe, that's new for me. |
| 01:24.33 | logged | WiFiTux: ok...but why is it on unstable when GNOME 2.8 is STABLE ? |
| 01:24.35 | Tom- | But I'm out |
| 01:24.52 | WiFiTux | logged, cause!! it is not yet stable! |
| 01:24.53 | toresbe | WiFiTux: I'm getting one for semi-free |
| 01:24.54 | green_earz | JaMaL: can you access it on localhost ? |
| 01:25.00 | nvz | cafuego: whats rm got to do with anything =P |
| 01:25.04 | xerophyte | How can i take diff of two .gz compress config files? |
| 01:25.11 | JaMaL | green_earz i can't see the box is far i will go get it |
| 01:25.15 | toresbe | Im actually typing this on the 9500 |
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| 01:26.10 | toresbe | it rocks |
| 01:26.38 | WiFiTux | What I do think is dumb is to wait till sarge for xor to be out... |
| 01:26.48 | WiFiTux | xorg |
| 01:27.07 | nvz | actually rgrep is my friend if I line up that crontab.. I dont need to compile em as long as I keep em all on this machine from now on |
| 01:27.33 | logged | WiFiTux: Is there a place in the debian website that I can check what software is available to stable or unstable? |
| 01:27.48 | WiFiTux | logged, packages.debian.org |
| 01:27.52 | logged | thank you |
| 01:27.56 | logged | appreciated |
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| 01:27.59 | WiFiTux | np |
| 01:28.46 | nvz | I could have put em on my fileserver long ago, but I dont want em accessible outside here. nobody needs my irclogs for anything, people who need to see em, should have their own.. and thats nobody on my network |
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| 01:29.29 | WiFiTux | is there a better time sync than ntpdate? |
| 01:29.40 | logged | WiFiTux: well...a search for GNOME takes me to many pieces of packages that have different versions....GNOME is scattered... |
| 01:29.47 | peterS | WiFiTux: for what ntpdate does, it's probably the best tool |
| 01:29.51 | nvz | WiFiTux: something more, oh say.. magical .. heh |
| 01:30.16 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.21 | WiFiTux | peterS, nvz well, it sometimes doesn't sync.. so... but ok |
| 01:30.31 | JaMaL | green_earz wait going to get the box |
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| 01:30.39 | peterS | WiFiTux: if you run it while ntpd is also running, they might have a bit of fun conflicting |
| 01:30.45 | green_earz | ok |
| 01:31.13 | nvz | my clocks are way off, which is why I have to compile my logs together.. I sometimes foolshly log on multiple systems with different times, and its a pita to fix.. I need to get organized |
| 01:31.25 | WiFiTux | peterS, well, I only have the /etc/init.d/ntpdate restart no ntpd so, I guess I don't have the daemon... |
| 01:31.30 | logged | Oh man...how can I check at packages.debian.org if the GNOME that they have there is 2.6 or 2.8? |
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| 01:31.49 | peterS | WiFiTux: dunno why it wouldn't work, then |
| 01:31.57 | WiFiTux | logged, we are telling you. 2,8 is only in unstable. |
| 01:32.16 | valdyn_ | logged: it is 2.8 |
| 01:32.24 | WiFiTux | peterS, maybe my poor internet access 256 while alrady downloading makes it difficult, no problem. |
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| 01:32.42 | logged | But how do you guys know that? |
| 01:32.44 | valdyn_ | logged: sarge's gnome is 2.8 too |
| 01:32.45 | logged | that is the question |
| 01:32.49 | peterS | logged: check for the package named libgnomeui-0 |
| 01:33.04 | nvz | I think I should call my priorities ntp, ldap, email, in that order, then I am about ready to go. that will keep me in sync |
| 01:33.09 | logged | ok |
| 01:33.33 | WiFiTux | peterS, ok, I had to make a start and not a restart for it to work... |
| 01:33.33 | n3o_X | hm... is this how you would include a variable in a shell script? |
| 01:33.34 | n3o_X | chmod -R a+x /home/$uname/www |
| 01:33.41 | logged | peterS: thank you |
| 01:33.43 | WiFiTux | valdyn_, are you sure? is there already? |
| 01:33.53 | nvz | I had setup ntp before I built these new machines, now its just a mess, clocks drifting in every direction |
| 01:33.57 | peterS | WiFiTux: ahhh. the init script is screwed up, then. restart should just be a synonym for start for that particular app |
| 01:34.26 | peterS | WiFiTux: oh, I see what it does. yeah, start is better than restart if you know your clock is off a bit |
| 01:34.39 | WiFiTux | peterS, ok, I'll check into it, I know I dunno how to fix it, but I'l simply use start then. |
| 01:34.52 | WiFiTux | peterS, hehe... |
| 01:35.12 | peterS | WiFiTux: the /etc/init.d/ntpdate script is pretty clear on what the difference is.\ |
| 01:35.14 | chealer | in man environ, it says that BROWSER is "The user's preferred utility to browse URLs." but how does the user define his preference? |
| 01:35.33 | peterS | WiFiTux: that is, if you know what 'slew' means. (it's not a typo, it means skewing the clock little by little until it matches reality) |
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| 01:36.13 | nvz | chealer: set the environment variable? |
| 01:36.18 | WiFiTux | peterS, ahhh... |
| 01:36.37 | WiFiTux | logged, so is it in sarge aswell? (testing) |
| 01:36.38 | chealer | nvz: yeah...how do you do that? |
| 01:36.49 | logged | yes |
| 01:36.58 | nvz | chealer: how did you get to that part of the manpage without seeing the rest =P |
| 01:37.34 | nvz | chealer: the very next line answers your question |
| 01:37.41 | chealer | nvz: I see you can use setenv or putenv but that's all programming stuff... how do you choose a favorite browser without programming? |
| 01:37.50 | nvz | heh |
| 01:38.01 | Roey | peterS: in my .config I have: CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBOARD=y abd CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD=y. So I think that kbd support is pretty much there. |
| 01:38.13 | nvz | chealer: I hope you actually have a copy of windows on cd, and didnt wipe out your backup files |
| 01:38.14 | peterS | Roey: yep |
| 01:38.28 | chealer | ok... |
| 01:39.00 | Roey | peterS: so what else could it be do you think? I can SSH into it so I can poke around... I just don't know what to examine. |
| 01:39.19 | peterS | Roey: read the output of 'dmesg', see if anything raises eyebrows, I gues |
| 01:39.20 | peterS | guess |
| 01:39.33 | nvz | chealer: you are smart enough to have found the right manpage, and located the exact information, but exporting a shell var as described in detail right below what you just read to me is too hard? |
| 01:39.42 | nvz | chealer: you had better start formatting c: |
| 01:39.44 | JaMaL | is there any thing such like pppoed ? |
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| 01:40.19 | robrock | JaMaL: you need pppoe ? |
| 01:40.32 | robrock | JaMaL: apt-get install rp-pppoe |
| 01:40.35 | JaMaL | robrock i want the server |
| 01:40.55 | Roey | peterS: ok, and thanks |
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| 01:41.23 | Huz | Dude, ipv6 |
| 01:41.34 | chealer | rp-pppoe, I don't think that exists |
| 01:41.44 | nvz | the way I see it, is I have been using debian for like 3 years now, and I have been using linux longer than that, and I never even looked at that manpage.. so you making your way to it and finding exactly what you are looking for, is one step ahead of me.. I dont see what the problem is |
| 01:41.45 | hacim | anyone have a link to the knoppix GO distor? |
| 01:42.12 | nvz | I already know how to work my shell, and my environment, but I never even knew about that manpage until now |
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| 01:42.49 | PerfDave | hacim: Ask #knoppix |
| 01:42.51 | sussudio | !irritate hacim |
| 01:42.52 | dpkg | hacim: wenas who uses dvd lol |
| 01:43.53 | hacim | blegh, I meant to say knoppix-like :) |
| 01:43.58 | hacim | !irritate self |
| 01:43.59 | dpkg | self: wenas who uses gnome lol |
| 01:44.31 | WiFiTux | hahha |
| 01:44.45 | AdamWeston | what an odd bot |
| 01:44.50 | Roey | peterS: I do see this in /var/log/kernel: "kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)" (that repeated five times) |
| 01:44.58 | chealer | nvz: yeah, 3 years but I thought there could have been a simpler way by now. like you currently have to precise the full path to the browser :| well, I was also prepared to learn that there was no really simple way |
| 01:45.08 | peterS | Roey: that one should be harmless |
| 01:45.10 | toresbe | night everyone :) |
| 01:45.15 | npx | mwilson: is the grass truly greener on the other side? |
| 01:45.26 | AdamWeston | the "other OS" is installed, now time to install deb |
| 01:45.40 | npx | AdamWeston: the OS formerly known as windows |
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| 01:45.41 | npx | ? |
| 01:45.51 | AdamWeston | right |
| 01:45.54 | Roey | peterS: as well as "kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 00(40)" |
| 01:45.56 | nvz | chealer: well exporting the environment var in a shell is just a foo=bar kind of command, its not complicated.. if you are in a GUI like gnome, there is a GUI tool for it, gnome perferred applications or some crap |
| 01:46.02 | Roey | peterS: ok, one second more.. |
| 01:46.08 | npx | Roey, try booting with the noapic option |
| 01:46.46 | Roey | PeterS: then I see: "input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard on isa0060/serio0" |
| 01:46.54 | Roey | npx: how does that mess with the keyboard do you think? |
| 01:47.15 | npx | Roey, I have no idea. Some insane interrupt hackery I can't comprehend, but hey, why not give it a try? |
| 01:47.27 | nvz | chealer: I am in gnome right now, I could probably find it in a matter of seconds.. but I figured you were not talking about the default browser as in GUI Web Browser for a desktop environment, I figured you meant what you referred to, which was the environ(5) |
| 01:47.27 | Roey | npx: (in brief, upon bootup the system gets to the boot prompt but does not respond to keyboard input) |
| 01:47.29 | Roey | npx: ok |
| 01:47.36 | Roey | APIC or ACPI/ |
| 01:47.37 | Roey | ? |
| 01:47.43 | npx | noapic |
| 01:47.45 | Roey | ok. |
| 01:47.52 | npx | Also might want to try single-user mode |
| 01:47.55 | WiFiTux | noapic? |
| 01:48.01 | npx | noapic! |
| 01:48.18 | Roey | waaah!!! noapic!!!! |
| 01:48.19 | WiFiTux | !troll npx |
| 01:48.21 | Roey | ;) |
| 01:48.29 | WiFiTux | haha |
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| 01:48.55 | Roey | (actually I was wondering what APIC does for you when you also have that other power management facility...) |
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| 01:49.15 | nvz | chealer: in gnome I have in my Applications > Desktop Prefs > Advanced > Preferred Applications. which brings up a gtk dialog, which lets be set the string for default browser in gnome. |
| 01:49.20 | exobyte_ | anyone here expierenced with SBCs and backplanes? |
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| 01:49.22 | npx | I have no idea roey |
| 01:49.31 | WiFiTux | Roey, don't be a fool and use the noacip option |
| 01:49.40 | WiFiTux | :/ |
| 01:49.53 | nvz | chealer: but what you very specifically mentioned, was explained in detail on the very next line.. |
| 01:50.00 | WiFiTux | exobyte, SBC, the ISP? |
| 01:50.05 | AdamWeston | use pinoca |
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| 01:50.28 | WiFiTux | hhmm lobster tasty |
| 01:50.33 | lobster | how do I change the active partition (default boot up) from hda1, to hda4? |
| 01:50.38 | Roey | peterS: what about this line, early in the boot sequence: "No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled." |
| 01:50.45 | WiFiTux | lobster, lilo or grub? |
| 01:50.49 | lobster | lilo |
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| 01:51.05 | Roey | grub can't handle XFS. |
| 01:51.06 | WiFiTux | lobster, /etc/lilo.conf |
| 01:51.07 | peterS | Roey: that seems a bit suspicious. do you have the 'module-init-tools' package installed? |
| 01:51.29 | Roey | peterS: yes I do |
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| 01:52.38 | AdamWeston | wow, why am i not surprised, i have a *brand new* windows install, and "shut down" doesn't work |
| 01:52.47 | AdamWeston | nor restart |
| 01:53.13 | FieldySnuts | @lart MS |
| 01:53.17 | Roey | AdamWeston: :) |
| 01:53.20 | WiFiTux | AdamWeston, you are a sucky User... |
| 01:53.22 | lobster | WiFiTux, I installed win2k on /dev/hda1, and it changed the active partition from /dev/hda4 to /dev/hda1. I booted from the restore disk, I mounted /dev/hda4 on /mnt, I did "cd /mnt; chroot .; lilo; sync" and lilo ran fine. I did ctrl-alt-delete to reboot, and it booted into /dev/hda1 which is win2k. What did I do wrong? |
| 01:53.24 | sphenxes | AdamWeston, I thought windows is only good in shutdown "crashes" :-) |
| 01:53.41 | WiFiTux | Winblows is bad, but you have sexual problems. |
| 01:53.45 | AdamWeston | i am not a sucky user |
| 01:54.02 | Roey | AdamWeston: there are things I like about windows, but the oozing sinking feeling in my stomach I get when I use it sort of balances out those benefits. |
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| 01:54.20 | WiFiTux | lobster, you need to reinstall lilo in the mbr, boot with the cd and go do that part that says install lilo |
| 01:54.25 | Roey | peterS: So yeah.. btw I do have a 2.6.7 kernel that works fine. |
| 01:54.47 | peterS | Roey: I have no idea what's up with your 2.6.10, then |
| 01:54.57 | lobster | lol, like no control over security? that is why I reinstalled win2k, just to get rid of all the virus ware, and reformat the hd, so that stuf which is deleted, stays deleted |
| 01:55.06 | WiFiTux | 9 |
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| 01:55.35 | lobster | WiFiTux ok |
| 01:55.38 | WiFiTux | lobster, boot with the CD and go to the part that says install the boot loader and install lilo. |
| 01:55.41 | WiFiTux | k |
| 01:55.54 | AdamWeston | someone earlier suggested i use the automatic partitioning option |
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| 01:56.38 | AdamWeston | well there are 3 options... "use the largest continuou free space", "erase entire disk", and "manually edit partition table" |
| 01:56.48 | AdamWeston | :P |
| 01:57.27 | WiFiTux | AdamWeston, I use my /dev/hda1 for Gaming... |
| 01:57.41 | dli | AdamWeston: do you have windows installed? |
| 01:57.42 | WiFiTux | actually for Half Life 2 |
| 01:57.46 | peterS | AdamWeston: are those descriptions unclear? (: |
| 01:57.52 | WiFiTux | cause doom 3 flys in Linux |
| 01:58.04 | AdamWeston | wifi: um ok |
| 01:58.06 | npx | yeah, the difference is nuts |
| 01:58.11 | AdamWeston | dli: yes |
| 01:58.31 | dli | AdamWeston: use the largest continuouse free space |
| 01:58.32 | WiFiTux | npx, I could almost say it runs faster. |
| 01:58.38 | AdamWeston | peter: no, but neither "auto" option is good for me |
| 01:59.00 | WiFiTux | AdamWeston, ohh boy, what do you want tot do? |
| 01:59.16 | AdamWeston | ill fi gure it out:P |
| 01:59.53 | WiFiTux | AdamWeston, Use the Manually edit the partition and done! |
| 02:00.18 | AdamWeston | 2. ????? 3. Profit! |
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| 02:00.30 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 02:01.03 | joselito | FELIZ 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:01.04 | joselito | FELIZ 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:01.09 | joselito | FELIZ 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:01.14 | WiFiTux | Is there anything for Linux like a "Defrag" or something to make it run faster? |
| 02:01.21 | FieldySnuts | stfu |
| 02:01.31 | WiFiTux | joselito, imbecil, todavia no es feliz ano en latinoamerica!! |
| 02:01.32 | sussudio | !tell Not_Here about away |
| 02:01.38 | AdamWeston | wifi, from what ive read its not really necessary |
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| 02:02.00 | dli | WiFiTux: no |
| 02:02.09 | WiFiTux | dli, ok |
| 02:02.16 | dli | WiFiTux: no need |
| 02:02.35 | WiFiTux | a inod re arranger or so? :/ |
| 02:02.37 | WiFiTux | ok |
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| 02:02.50 | Phat32 | Hello |
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| 02:03.01 | joselito | WiFiTux, sorry i don't speak spanish |
| 02:03.21 | Phat32 | I am using knoppix 3.6 live cd and I was wondering if anyone here knows the default root password |
| 02:03.21 | nvz | Phat32: hello, need help installing debian -or- finding #knoppix? |
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| 02:03.35 | nvz | Phat32: rootpw? its probably null =P |
| 02:03.41 | nvz | Phat32: ask #knoppix |
| 02:03.51 | FieldySnuts | indeed. read the topic here, this is not a knoppix channel |
| 02:03.59 | Phat32 | it is not blank |
| 02:04.09 | Phat32 | do you mea use the word "null" |
| 02:04.15 | nvz | and furthermore debian users wouldnt know much about knoppix |
| 02:04.16 | FieldySnuts | that's fine, but we don't care, this is NOT A FUCKING KNOPPIX CHANNEL |
| 02:04.18 | Phat32 | mean* |
| 02:04.27 | Piru | no, the password is thisisnotdebian |
| 02:04.28 | sussudio | Finished analyzing log, 366 days, 4745222 lines total |
| 02:04.32 | restrex | FieldySnuts you've reason :P |
| 02:04.35 | sussudio | o_o |
| 02:04.54 | Phat32 | I thought maybe you guys would know |
| 02:04.58 | sussudio | Mem: 904464 760180 144284 0 13932 442808 |
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| 02:04.59 | FieldySnuts | nope |
| 02:05.00 | Phat32 | you don't have to be such a dick |
| 02:05.04 | dli | Phat32: no, this is not #knoppix |
| 02:05.06 | nvz | sussudio: you analyzed it or pisg did? |
| 02:05.06 | sussudio | pisg, the little memory eater. |
| 02:05.12 | Phat32 | later |
| 02:05.16 | sussudio | nvz: pisg. and it used 760MB of mem. |
| 02:05.18 | FieldySnuts | Phat32: knoppix users come in here 20+ times a day, and most like you, don't listen to us saying it's not a koppix chan,. |
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| 02:05.22 | FieldySnuts | Phat32: so go away. |
| 02:05.41 | nvz | sussudio: heh, that would be my fault.. |
| 02:05.49 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: i |
| 02:05.50 | __D4V3__ | 3 hours left |
| 02:05.54 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: j! |
| 02:05.56 | __D4V3__ | to a new year |
| 02:05.57 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: 've been here with that ident before |
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| 02:07.07 | jasonf | FieldySnuts: I disagree. Knoppix is my rescue CD. |
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| 02:07.25 | caphuso | 365 24 * 3 - => 8757 |
| 02:07.41 | caphuso | yay, 8757 hours left to a new year! |
| 02:07.43 | WiFiTux | joselito, you don't yeah right!!! |
| 02:07.43 | Xemacs | leap year ? |
| 02:07.53 | FieldySnuts | jasonf: i care |
| 02:08.06 | AdamWeston | this actually is a lame question, but ive never understood exactly the difference, relationship between primary and extended partitions... |
| 02:08.12 | AdamWeston | can someone sum it up for me? |
| 02:08.16 | WiFiTux | joselito, is 12 already in BR? |
| 02:08.29 | WiFiTux | AdamWeston, ok |
| 02:08.30 | joselito | WiFiTux, yeah |
| 02:08.31 | jasonf | FieldySnuts: that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in 2004 ;) |
| 02:08.32 | joselito | :D |
| 02:08.43 | Huz | You can boot from a primary partition, you can't (really) from an extended one. And you can only have 4 primary partitions total. I think that's about it ;) |
| 02:08.43 | caphuso | AdamWeston: extended are a hack to enable you to have more than 4 partitions |
| 02:08.59 | WiFiTux | AdamWeston, You can only have 4 Primary in a disk. 1 Extended and as many part into that Extended |
| 02:09.02 | joselito | 00:08h, 2005 |
| 02:09.09 | FieldySnuts | primary partitions are just that. on x86 you have a max of four. extended is a sort of container, which you can then put further partitions (not primary) into. you can not boot off extended partitions. |
| 02:09.21 | AdamWeston | oh yeah, and logical |
| 02:09.22 | FieldySnuts | 9 partitions on this thing |
| 02:09.26 | robrock | how the hell do i stop that in the xchat off sarge? |
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| 02:09.58 | WiFiTux | AdamWeston, logicals are the ones into that extended one |
| 02:10.10 | AdamWeston | ok |
| 02:10.27 | WiFiTux | Only way to boot from logicals is with partition magic or something like that... |
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| 02:11.04 | seberino | if i had memory and reboot linux will it automagically detect it? |
| 02:11.05 | robrock | it keeps changeing my nick and seting me away |
| 02:11.07 | robrock | how do i stop that in xchat |
| 02:11.11 | WiFiTux | Robinson, no one cares. |
| 02:11.24 | WiFiTux | robrock, no one cares. :/ |
| 02:11.26 | caphuso | robrock: #xchat |
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| 02:11.42 | caphuso | or nobody knows |
| 02:11.43 | WiFiTux | seberino, you don't have memory? |
| 02:11.46 | AdamWeston | conclusion: / should be a primary, C: should be a primary, the rest dont matter |
| 02:12.00 | seberino | WiFiTux: i want to add some more |
| 02:12.01 | WiFiTux | seberino, you will probably forget the answer you would get from here. |
| 02:12.03 | Xemacs | wow, i have been gone 1 year, and very little has changed ;) |
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| 02:12.25 | WiFiTux | seberino, yes. Is it more than 2GB? |
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| 02:12.47 | seberino | WiFiTux: no |
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| 02:12.54 | seberino | WiFiTux: 64Mb -> 1Gb |
| 02:13.04 | ssj4conejo | can i use the regular kernel.org kernels the ones without debian patches. and if i do so, can i just copy over the bzImage, and system.MAP instead of the extra stuff the debian default kernels require |
| 02:13.06 | Xemacs | maybe ;) ??!! |
| 02:13.11 | WiFiTux | seberino, stick it in and reboot. Make sure the board supports it. |
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| 02:13.19 | prahal | hi |
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| 02:13.34 | seberino | WiFiTux: what is price of 1Gb now by the way? |
| 02:13.37 | WiFiTux | ssj4conejo, sure vanilla kernels are fine. |
| 02:13.53 | WiFiTux | seberino, pricewatch.com |
| 02:14.00 | WiFiTux | or DDR DDR2 SDRAM? |
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| 02:14.05 | WiFiTux | RBUS? |
| 02:14.10 | ssj4conejo | wifitux, one more question, i dont like grub much, i can just apt-get install lilo right? |
| 02:14.11 | seberino | i dunno |
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| 02:14.20 | sussudio | !punish pisg's nick handling |
| 02:14.27 | WiFiTux | ssj4conejo, I guess, but dunno. |
| 02:14.32 | dli | ssj4conejo: why still in love with lilo ? |
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| 02:14.40 | ssj4conejo | cause i'm used to it |
| 02:14.48 | WiFiTux | seberino, what system is it? amd intel p3 p4? |
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| 02:15.16 | WiFiTux | seberino, laptop? desktop? probably more than $120 anyways |
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| 02:15.26 | seberino | WiFiTux: compaq desktop |
| 02:15.29 | prahal | ssj4conejo: try grubconf + grub(splashimages |
| 02:15.31 | Huz | Strictly speaking, /boot is the only part of the Linux filesystem that needs to be on a primary partition :) |
| 02:15.35 | seberino | WiFiTux: 500Mhz roughly,, not sure cpu |
| 02:15.47 | WiFiTux | seberino, wuuu Pentium 3? |
| 02:15.50 | seberino | WiFiTux: yea,,,looks like around $120 for 1Gb, thanks |
| 02:15.51 | ssj4conejo | if i compile the kernel.org kernel, do i still need that stupid initrd? |
| 02:15.55 | Huz | / can be on anything as long as /boot is taken care of |
| 02:15.56 | WiFiTux | It won't take the 1GB... only 512 |
| 02:15.58 | seberino | WiFiTux: i think yes |
| 02:16.06 | prahal | Huz: extended partition are evil ! |
| 02:16.07 | dli | Huz: is /boot needed to be a primary? |
| 02:16.08 | WiFiTux | I don't. |
| 02:16.09 | AdamWeston | except that /boot /bin /sbin etc all must be on the same partition |
| 02:16.09 | seberino | WiFiTux: hmm, didn't know that, thanks! |
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| 02:16.19 | kyncani | ssj4conejo: you don't need initrd |
| 02:16.24 | WiFiTux | np |
| 02:16.26 | ssj4conejo | seberino, also if ur on an old pentium 3 |
| 02:16.29 | ssj4conejo | some of them dont eat 512 sticks |
| 02:16.34 | ssj4conejo | u would need two, 256s |
| 02:16.40 | pzin | does anyone here happen to know about a debian repository with libapache-mod-python 3.1 |
| 02:16.41 | WiFiTux | true. |
| 02:16.55 | dli | pzin: apt-get.org? |
| 02:17.05 | Huz | No way, I have /boot as a separate partition. Unless I've gone mad and in fact haven't. |
| 02:17.05 | WiFiTux | seberino, you might even get reboots... so go ask compaq. |
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| 02:17.25 | Huz | Anyway, not confident enough to stick with this, but I think I'm correct ;) |
| 02:17.38 | pzin | dli, thank you |
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| 02:18.45 | WiFiTux | Huz, that's not the question... |
| 02:19.02 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/deb2004.html |
| 02:19.14 | sussudio | and now i can rerun it again because of the fucked-up nick handling of pisg |
| 02:20.34 | WiFiTux | sussudio, haha yeah, changed the names for the nick. |
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| 02:21.00 | Roey | happy thanksgiving yall |
| 02:21.11 | WiFiTux | Roey, hahaha |
| 02:21.19 | Roey | ;) |
| 02:21.38 | MerlinCorey | hahaha |
| 02:21.43 | MerlinCorey | I wonder what Guerin and I were talking about :o |
| 02:22.02 | nvz | sussudio: you mean like me being on the top 50 multiple times =P |
| 02:22.11 | sussudio | nvz: yes, nvz_ |
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| 02:22.14 | WiFiTux | sussudio, odd, I'm not even in the lists anymore... :/ |
| 02:22.19 | lsailor | ok...so i am getting ready to try and cp the data from one drive that is having errors to a new drive...the os is installed and running... i can just cp everything over... /bin /lib /etc /home /var /usr /sbin? |
| 02:22.21 | lunaphyte | is there a simple way to find out what dependencies a package has, from a shell prompt? |
| 02:23.00 | sussudio | nvz: you and 25 others :-| |
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| 02:23.05 | lunaphyte | wait - i think i said that wrong - i want to find out what's depending on a particular package. |
| 02:23.18 | dli | lunaphyte: apt-get remove :)) |
| 02:23.29 | lunaphyte | funny |
| 02:23.38 | FieldySnuts | @blaireau lunaphyte |
| 02:23.42 | WiFiTux | lunaphyte, well apt-get install |
| 02:23.44 | FieldySnuts | or something |
| 02:23.46 | brandon_ | I switch desktops, move my mouse, switch back [desktops] and now the "focus follows mouse" focusses a different window than I had focused when leaving that desktop. Anyone know a solution to this? |
| 02:23.46 | WiFiTux | and then say N |
| 02:23.53 | nvz | sussudio: yeah I see that.. kinda biased, alot of people that should be there arent |
| 02:23.55 | AdamWeston | ok so /home is only going to contain things like my WM preferences etc right? |
| 02:23.56 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
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| 02:24.06 | AdamWeston | and anything i put there manually of course |
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| 02:24.11 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: thought ravenbird had it :( |
| 02:24.22 | Harley^ | Good evening. |
| 02:24.25 | sussudio | in soviet russia, ravenbird has you |
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| 02:24.39 | lunaphyte | wth is @blaireau? |
| 02:24.47 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: blaireau is <reply> $who: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 02:24.48 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: okay |
| 02:24.50 | AdamWeston | in korea, only old people use ravenbird |
| 02:24.54 | FieldySnuts | i haven't a clue at t his so i bet i screwed it |
| 02:24.59 | WiFiTux | !russia ravenbird |
| 02:24.59 | FieldySnuts | @blaireau lunaphyte |
| 02:25.04 | FieldySnuts | ;/ |
| 02:25.05 | WiFiTux | hhmm |
| 02:25.11 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: forget blaireau |
| 02:25.12 | ravenbird | i forgot blaireau, FieldySnuts |
| 02:25.20 | brandon_ | the flairderal blaireua of investiblairgation? |
| 02:26.42 | brandon_ | why'd it get quiet |
| 02:26.53 | nvz | brandon_: cause we were off reading debstats |
| 02:26.55 | FieldySnuts | the blaireau's ate everyone |
| 02:26.55 | nvz | heh |
| 02:26.56 | Harley^ | I have kaffiene installed under Debian Sarge. I also have Mozilla and epiphany. I usually use the epiphany browser. Tonight when I visited a web site the kaffiene browser app installed but I unselected parts that I now wished that I had selected. Is there a way to have kaffiene perform the re-install setup from the beginnig ? deleting the .kaffiene directory inthe home directory doesn't seem to help. |
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| 02:27.22 | nvz | even though its not quite calibrated for real long-term analysis |
| 02:27.31 | brandon_ | what's debstats? |
| 02:27.35 | sussudio | FieldySnuts: you forgot a $1. |
| 02:27.39 | nvz | brandon_: it doesnt exist :) |
| 02:27.55 | brandon_ | what about focus follows mouse? |
| 02:27.55 | nvz | brandon_: but Piggy is watching you! |
| 02:28.00 | FieldySnuts | you set it then, i don't understand it |
| 02:28.07 | Piggy | o_O |
| 02:28.18 | brandon_ | what happens when you leave a desktop and come back and your mouse focusses another window |
| 02:28.33 | Phated | You move your mouse. |
| 02:28.40 | sussudio | ravenbird: blaireau $1 is <reply> $1: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 02:28.40 | ravenbird | okay, sussudio |
| 02:28.41 | FieldySnuts | Phated! *wuffle* |
| 02:28.41 | brandon_ | irritating |
| 02:28.45 | sussudio | @blaireau FieldySnuts |
| 02:28.48 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 02:28.48 | Phated | FieldySnuts:! *fluffle* |
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| 02:28.56 | Phated | brandon_: So don't set focus follows mouse. |
| 02:28.58 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: heh |
| 02:29.02 | brandon_ | that'd be more irritating |
| 02:29.10 | Phated | Idiot. |
| 02:29.14 | lsailor | i am trying to make sure that i am not going to break something. i have a drive that is failing and i have a new drive installed and debian installed and running. can i copy my /bin /etc/ /home/ lib /sbin/ var to the new drive? and should everythign work...all my users and sendmail and databases? |
| 02:29.20 | brandon_ | what's wrong with you anyway |
| 02:29.21 | scarynetworkguy | Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope. |
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| 02:29.26 | Phated | You can also learn not to bump your mouse. |
| 02:29.33 | brandon_ | solutions are one of two already-provided non-alternatives? |
| 02:29.34 | sussudio | s/bump/hump/ |
| 02:29.35 | FieldySnuts | ow. |
| 02:29.46 | brandon_ | nah.. this is development and forward progress |
| 02:29.49 | FieldySnuts | my bf says .. n/m |
| 02:29.50 | Phated | Or just stop bitching. |
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| 02:29.53 | npx | s/mouse/mom/ |
| 02:30.00 | FieldySnuts | bbl |
| 02:30.04 | brandon_ | do you program, phated? |
| 02:30.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Speaking of BF's, spending New Year's on IRC? |
| 02:30.19 | Phated | brandon_: No, but I don't see why that should concern you. |
| 02:30.21 | FieldySnuts | no, in bed! er, sleeping! |
| 02:30.27 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ooooh. |
| 02:30.29 | Sirusx | (newbie) Hi, i pluged an ATT wireless card(PCI) and its supported by kernel but i dont know how to get connect through it. some help??? |
| 02:30.44 | FieldySnuts | my life is too busy and hectic, when I get a chance I just want left the f*uck alone |
| 02:30.46 | FieldySnuts | er f*ck |
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| 02:30.55 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | heya |
| 02:31.04 | dli | Sirusx: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 02:31.04 | brandon_ | a programmer might think, "maybe we could add an option, 'keep last active window when switching desktops'" |
| 02:31.04 | Phated | Ah, bother, I'd love company. Come over and we'll do girly things. ; |
| 02:31.12 | FieldySnuts | mkay |
| 02:31.21 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | is anyone here a CUPS expert? |
| 02:31.21 | brandon_ | which would be the appropriate solution for this behavior |
| 02:31.27 | FieldySnuts | is that a perverted question? |
| 02:31.30 | Phated | brandon_: A non-programmer might think "Shut the fuck up and go code it yourself." |
| 02:31.41 | sussudio | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: go away shimon/sevenseventy. |
| 02:31.42 | brandon_ | but I've not seen most people interested in finding solutions |
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| 02:31.45 | nite_fly | how can i check my local IP ? |
| 02:31.53 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | sorry? |
| 02:31.54 | dli | nite_fly: ifconfig |
| 02:31.58 | FieldySnuts | ping -f 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:31.59 | Phated | FieldySnuts: No, no. Wine coolers, chocolates, DVDs, and pizza? :) |
| 02:32.02 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | sussudio, I don't understand... |
| 02:32.08 | green_earz | nite_fly: ifconfig as us |
| 02:32.10 | sussudio | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: sure you don't. |
| 02:32.14 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | um |
| 02:32.17 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | ok |
| 02:32.18 | jstevens | nite_fly: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 02:32.19 | scarynetworkguy | brandon_: That would mostly be because most people don't see what you are talking about as a "problem". |
| 02:32.30 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | great |
| 02:32.38 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | I'm being confused with someone else |
| 02:32.39 | dli | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: just ask your questions, no ask to ask |
| 02:32.39 | brandon_ | scary, because they've not given it much thought |
| 02:32.46 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | ok |
| 02:32.49 | brandon_ | it's actually a "bug" |
| 02:32.59 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | well, I'm writing an article about CUPS on Wikipedia |
| 02:33.09 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | and I don't quite understand the filtering system |
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| 02:33.09 | FieldySnuts | actually, ping -s 65000 -f 127.0.0.1 & sleep 1 ; renice -20 `pidof ping` |
| 02:33.15 | FieldySnuts | don't do that. |
| 02:33.41 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | can someone help me here? |
| 02:33.58 | sbk | I think an article on the rube goldberg system that's printing under unix would be really fun :-) |
| 02:33.59 | FieldySnuts | or renice -40 for 2.6 kernels! |
| 02:34.06 | brandon_ | switch desktops, move mouse on an unrelated set of windows to select a window, and now that position affects the focus of the windows on the other desktop... |
| 02:34.07 | brandon_ | it's a bug |
| 02:34.18 | brandon_ | can be dangerous too |
| 02:34.23 | FieldySnuts | probably #include <err/id10t.h> |
| 02:34.32 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | so anyway, I figured #debian would have ppl who know this pretty well |
| 02:34.36 | exobyte | offtopic, but is there a way to tie SBCs together by putting them on the same backbone |
| 02:34.40 | brandon_ | people can, and have, typed things into wrong windows when they've done this |
| 02:34.45 | Phated | It's not a bug. It does what focus-follows-mouse does. |
| 02:34.50 | sussudio | 8DG4RW4NG |
| 02:34.51 | FieldySnuts | yeah well if they hit enter, user error |
| 02:34.51 | brandon_ | no |
| 02:34.56 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: haha |
| 02:35.02 | brandon_ | it does what it's programmed to do |
| 02:35.06 | Phated | Yeah well if they don't know to check before typing, they're idiots. |
| 02:35.12 | FieldySnuts | Phated: pretty much. |
| 02:35.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart brandon_ |
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| 02:35.29 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah only so much can be done to protect you from being a moron. |
| 02:35.30 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | or better yet... help me edit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Unix_Printing_System |
| 02:35.31 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | :) |
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| 02:35.47 | brandon_ | I hope you're not all so rude and disrespectful |
| 02:35.50 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) Come over! We'll turn off the monitor and ignore idiots and have kinky lesbian sex0r! (I'm KIDDING, I'm KIDDING.) |
| 02:35.55 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: how am I going to keep myself away from me? |
| 02:36.01 | AdamWeston | wait are you saying multiple windows are active at the same time across the virtual desktops? |
| 02:36.03 | Phated | brandon_: Give us one reason why we should respect you in particular. |
| 02:36.03 | lsailor | i am trying to move the data from a harddrive that is failing to a new drive iwth a new install...can i cp /bin /etc /home /lib /sbin /usr and /var to the new drive... or will i break things |
| 02:36.04 | FieldySnuts | Phated: teasing the boys are you? |
| 02:36.09 | beardy | Happy new year. |
| 02:36.11 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Oh yes I am. |
| 02:36.11 | MerlinCorey | trying |
| 02:36.12 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: It does take some doing. |
| 02:36.17 | FieldySnuts | Phated: as usual. er hi |
| 02:36.19 | MerlinCorey | happy new year, scarynetworkguy |
| 02:36.23 | brandon_ | adam, oh no.. that would be a horrible (and almost impossible) thing. |
| 02:36.24 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :P :) |
| 02:36.29 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: Hey. |
| 02:36.31 | brandon_ | given the way input is handled |
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| 02:36.46 | brandon_ | Phated, if you want it from anyone in return |
| 02:36.47 | FieldySnuts | Phated: they'll never know neener |
| 02:37.10 | Phated | brandon_: Why bother? I don't think I'm particularly respected in here, and I certainly don't need it from you. |
| 02:37.18 | FieldySnuts | owned. |
| 02:37.18 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Bring a webcam. ;) |
| 02:37.25 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | tough channel |
| 02:37.27 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 02:37.27 | brandon_ | unfortunately, we've grown up (most of you are probably american) in a society which accepts disrespect, and especially of elders (slightly separate, but pertinent note) |
| 02:37.32 | brandon_ | Respect should be the default. |
| 02:37.39 | Phated | !tell Not_Here about away |
| 02:37.40 | FieldySnuts | Phated: I have a 2.1MP still cam and a 1MP 16:9 digital video cam :P |
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| 02:37.45 | nvz | you can have my webcam, I am too lazy to set one up |
| 02:37.48 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *rrawr* |
| 02:37.51 | scarynetworkguy | brandon_: Nope. Respect should be earned and you have done nothing to earn it. |
| 02:37.59 | jstevens | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: I'd assist, but I don't know enough about the issue to do so :-) |
| 02:38.01 | brandon_ | Wrong |
| 02:38.03 | brandon_ | you don't know what I have done |
| 02:38.20 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | s'ok... do any of your know where I could find out? |
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| 02:38.30 | scarynetworkguy | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: RTFM. |
| 02:38.32 | brandon_ | but, to respond, have I done such a great horrible deed to earn your disrespect? |
| 02:38.33 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | I'm trying to work out what reads the MIME database |
| 02:38.40 | Phated | brandon_: I'm not American, neither do I have anything against them, but again, I don't need/want respect from you. And if you feel the need to massage your ego by stating your list of achievements, we'll just let you. |
| 02:38.41 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | scarynetworkguy, I have |
| 02:38.43 | brandon_ | Of course, if your tolerance is so low, you should seek councelling :) |
| 02:38.49 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | there is not much info on what calls it |
| 02:38.53 | Phated | FieldySnuts: *rrawr* |
| 02:38.58 | scarynetworkguy | brandon_: You have been stupid. |
| 02:39.00 | jstevens | well.. I was goign to direct you to #cups... but you're already there.... |
| 02:39.00 | dli | ta_bu_shi_da_yu: and, it's indeed a cups question not a debian |
| 02:39.07 | brandon_ | scary, that's not necessarily true |
| 02:39.07 | Piggy | O_o |
| 02:39.09 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | ok |
| 02:39.12 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | fair enough |
| 02:39.13 | FieldySnuts | Phated: you know how I am heh don't push it, get yourself in trouble |
| 02:39.19 | brandon_ | but I have shown respect for you.. and perhaps that's a mistake |
| 02:39.24 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Trouble, my dear, is my middle name. |
| 02:39.25 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | I just figured that someone on #debian might know |
| 02:39.29 | brandon_ | because you DO seem to have disrespected me |
| 02:39.30 | FieldySnuts | uh huh. |
| 02:39.30 | AdamWeston | i sort of agree that respect should be earned, but there is an area between respect and disrespect... thats where i normally start out |
| 02:39.33 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | sorry for wasting everyone's time |
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| 02:39.37 | sussudio | no, it's meliceps. |
| 02:39.38 | brandon_ | and, in my personal opinion, undeservedly. |
| 02:39.45 | FieldySnuts | who cares? |
| 02:39.54 | FieldySnuts | it's irc, you need respect out here? try again. |
| 02:39.57 | brandon_ | and all I asked was if anyone knew a solution to the problem |
| 02:40.04 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: any ideas? |
| 02:40.04 | ravenbird | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of rabid oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 02:40.06 | Phated | I don't think I was -disrespectful- as such. I stated my opinions quite clearly. If that's disrespect, I don't want to be respectful. |
| 02:40.19 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | hmmmm... I made a mistake coming here |
| 02:40.22 | ta_bu_shi_da_yu | cya later all |
| 02:40.23 | FieldySnuts | Phated: since they're babies, just tell them to fuck off and be done with it. may as well go all the way |
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| 02:40.37 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Hehe. |
| 02:40.49 | brandon_ | but if you're so limited as to not be able to understand why it bothers me, to me alone, then you aren't using some of your human potential |
| 02:41.01 | brandon_ | but these things require care and energy |
| 02:41.02 | FieldySnuts | ok neighbor needs to turn their radio off lest i park in front of their house and turn on a 650WRMS subwoofer |
| 02:41.13 | Phated | If it bothers you, and if you're so very accomplished, dear sir, go code a solution. |
| 02:41.17 | nvz | heh |
| 02:41.27 | FieldySnuts | that might hurt (the car) |
| 02:41.29 | AdamWeston | apart from disrespect... there is also plain old immaturity;) |
| 02:41.41 | Phated | It doesn't bother me. I live with it. I actually like it. Thus I don't need a "solution" to this "problem". |
| 02:41.46 | FieldySnuts | ok, ok, the whole respect thing. get this, this IS IRC. okay? get real |
| 02:41.47 | nvz | I couldnt have big assed sub woofers in a car |
| 02:41.54 | brandon_ | it's better for a doctor to treat the needs of the patients |
| 02:42.06 | Phated | Get real. This is open-source. |
| 02:42.08 | MerlinCorey | doctors get paid |
| 02:42.08 | brandon_ | what kind of doctor says, "well, others are okay with that discomfort" |
| 02:42.14 | scarynetworkguy | brandon_: You are right we are borken. You should go spend your time with some nice non-borken people. Bye now. |
| 02:42.14 | Phated | Wrong. |
| 02:42.17 | MerlinCorey | DOCTORS GET PAID |
| 02:42.17 | FieldySnuts | @lart brandon_ |
| 02:42.21 | sussudio | brandon_: are you some kind of tardbot? |
| 02:42.22 | MerlinCorey | !lart brandon_ |
| 02:42.24 | brandon_ | Merlin, some do it for love |
| 02:42.31 | MerlinCorey | !lart brandon_ |
| 02:42.32 | Phated | This doctor says "Other patients are not experiencesing any discomfort". |
| 02:42.48 | FieldySnuts | playing doctor are we? |
| 02:42.56 | asuffield | well then let's *cause* them some discomfort |
| 02:42.59 | brandon_ | Merlin, money is higher or lower than the rest of human qualities? |
| 02:43.04 | Phated | brandon_: Higher. |
| 02:43.05 | sussudio | CTCP VERSION reply from brandon_: xchat 2.4.0 Linux 2.6.8-1-386 [i686/3.20GHz] Kawfehscript 0.66 |
| 02:43.13 | FieldySnuts | kawfeescript? |
| 02:43.19 | sussudio | yes, i added that. |
| 02:43.24 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Oooooh. Want to be a nurse, do you |
| 02:43.25 | FieldySnuts | you're cute |
| 02:43.32 | MerlinCorey | oh |
| 02:43.35 | FieldySnuts | Phated: you really ARE lookin for trouble ;) |
| 02:43.37 | MerlinCorey | A geek nurse |
| 02:43.40 | asuffield | ah, catfight |
| 02:43.41 | Phated | FieldySnuts: I am. ;) |
| 02:43.51 | brandon_ | I use many different irc clients |
| 02:43.55 | FieldySnuts | tee hee |
| 02:44.16 | Phated | Does anyone actually make "tee hee" sounds? |
| 02:44.22 | MerlinCorey | yes |
| 02:44.23 | MerlinCorey | tee hee |
| 02:44.23 | FieldySnuts | i do, i'm just a little priss |
| 02:44.25 | sussudio | Phated: people with asthma |
| 02:44.27 | brandon_ | the point being, I have spent 12 years of my life focussing my abilities on recognizing where problems are and fixing them |
| 02:44.35 | Phated | sussudio: Haha. |
| 02:44.39 | FieldySnuts | brandon_: we give a shit. |
| 02:44.41 | MerlinCorey | brandon_: should have spent more time on spelling |
| 02:44.49 | brandon_ | and this is more broad spectrum in life than just computer programming |
| 02:44.52 | green_earz | brandon_: money is a commodity : human qualities are not commodities |
| 02:44.52 | Phated | Hah, MerlinCorey++. |
| 02:44.56 | asuffield | what's a "little priss"? |
| 02:44.58 | FieldySnuts | lol yeah |
| 02:45.02 | brandon_ | been programming for 18 years |
| 02:45.08 | FieldySnuts | priss, mincing little dainty thing |
| 02:45.09 | Phated | asuffield: "stuck-up little snotter". :) |
| 02:45.11 | brandon_ | green, I think they are |
| 02:45.13 | FieldySnuts | bah |
| 02:45.16 | FieldySnuts | i am NOT A SNOTTER ;/ |
| 02:45.25 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Sorreeeee. |
| 02:45.31 | FieldySnuts | just playing |
| 02:45.36 | FieldySnuts | @stfu brandon_ |
| 02:45.37 | ravenbird | SHUT THE FUCK UP brandon_! |
| 02:45.40 | dli | mozilla uses too much cpu :( |
| 02:45.45 | Phated | Woo! Go ravenbird. |
| 02:45.46 | asuffield | "human qualities" presumably means "lie, cheat, steal, kill their own for sport, complain about how awful it is then go to bed satisfied" |
| 02:45.52 | brandon_ | one of the wonderful things about people pointing out problems is that it may be a small or it may be a large problem, but the solution, in either case, may be something elegant and efficient. |
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| 02:45.54 | sussudio | it's taking about 35 mins on an athlon 800 with 1GB mem to generate the year stats :-| |
| 02:45.54 | finrod | use opera! |
| 02:46.04 | nothos | what provides the ability to unrar a file |
| 02:46.05 | asuffield | FieldySnuts: ah, abusive variant of 'prissy' |
| 02:46.06 | FieldySnuts | first to the carpet! |
| 02:46.06 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield: Think C3P0 |
| 02:46.07 | FieldySnuts | errr n/m |
| 02:46.15 | Phated | nothos: unrar. |
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| 02:46.23 | nothos | i can't find any reference to rar or unrar via apt-cache search |
| 02:46.25 | Cyanophytes | I configured my sound card into the kernel and compiled it i'm able to adjust the volume but still no sound when I play a cd and XMMS hands when I try to play a sound file |
| 02:46.38 | MerlinCorey | nothos: /msg dpkg rar |
| 02:46.39 | scarynetworkguy | nothos: Add non-free and contrid to your sources. |
| 02:46.41 | Phated | nothos: Include non-free and contrib in your sources.list, apt-get update. |
| 02:46.43 | Cyanophytes | any suggestions |
| 02:46.44 | dli | nothos: try apt-get install unrar-nonfree |
| 02:46.48 | brandon_ | I switch desktops, move my mouse, switch back [desktops] and now the "focus follows mouse" focusses a different window than I had focused when leaving that desktop. Anyone know a solution to this? |
| 02:46.54 | jstevens | Cyanophytes: make sure it's not muted.. sometimes it's muted by default |
| 02:47.00 | brandon_ | that's all I say, and I get attacked for it. Amazing. |
| 02:47.02 | scarynetworkguy | Was that close enough to be a jinx? |
| 02:47.13 | Phated | Yes it was. You owe me a soda. |
| 02:47.15 | dli | Cyanophytes: alsa or oss? |
| 02:47.19 | mick_laptop | anyone know of a QA project for Open Source apps in general (i know of the QA group that checks security) but I mean more of a QA team that does QA on documentation |
| 02:47.23 | brandon_ | You are amazing examples of human beings. :) |
| 02:47.25 | asuffield | Phated: how does that work? |
| 02:47.26 | Cyanophytes | jstevens: Mixer don't have it muted. |
| 02:47.31 | Cyanophytes | dli: alsa |
| 02:47.33 | Phated | asuffield: How does what work? |
| 02:47.35 | nite_fly | is there anyway i can check how big a hard disk is ? |
| 02:47.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Coolness. |
| 02:47.39 | beardy | mick_laptop: QA? |
| 02:47.39 | asuffield | <Phated> Yes it was. You owe me a soda. |
| 02:47.40 | asuffield | that |
| 02:47.42 | jstevens | Cyanophytes: that's what I had to do on a gateway laptop of my wife's ... was alsa.. loaded alsamixer, realixed it's muted... unmuted and worked |
| 02:47.42 | mick_laptop | like a rewrite of some manpages, and an addition of a few manpages |
| 02:47.46 | Phated | Cyanophytes: Use alsamixer and see if it is muted. |
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| 02:47.52 | FieldySnuts | brandon_: you are a sufficient example of a prick. |
| 02:47.52 | dli | Cyanophytes: first, muted or not? |
| 02:48.04 | Phated | asuffield: I dunno. It just does. And I get a free soda, I'm not going to analyse how I got it. :) |
| 02:48.07 | mick_laptop | checking websites w/ 404s etc. |
| 02:48.08 | asuffield | 'sufficient' |
| 02:48.19 | FieldySnuts | she gets free stoff coz of |
| 02:48.20 | Jaguar_ | nite, df for seeing the partition sizes... fdisk /dev/hard_drive_device (like hda, sda, hdb, sdb, whatever) for looking at the partition table. |
| 02:48.20 | FieldySnuts | brb |
| 02:48.29 | Jaguar_ | nite, dmesg | less is probably sufficient |
| 02:48.32 | mick_laptop | beardy: quality assurance |
| 02:48.45 | Jaguar_ | there's also most likely a /proc/ directory for the hard drive specs |
| 02:48.48 | Phated | Weehoo. |
| 02:48.48 | Jaguar_ | maybe |
| 02:48.49 | nothos | scraynetworkguy just add nonfree to the end of the sources.list entry? |
| 02:48.52 | helix | soda? set your sights higher. |
| 02:48.54 | scarynetworkguy | Inedd |
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| 02:49.07 | Phated | helix: I'm a simple girl. Soda is quite enough for me. :) |
| 02:49.08 | Jaguar_ | Fieldy, based on? |
| 02:49.08 | asuffield | /proc/partitions, but it's not for people |
| 02:49.09 | FieldySnuts | i spent enough years as a solid raging drunk, done drinking |
| 02:49.12 | MerlinCorey | nothos: man sources.list |
| 02:49.12 | FieldySnuts | Jaguar_: what? |
| 02:49.16 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Forever? |
| 02:49.19 | helix | pfft |
| 02:49.25 | FieldySnuts | Phated: probably |
| 02:49.29 | jstevens | nothos: sounds about right |
| 02:49.32 | Jaguar_ | Fieldy, okay, "based on what?" |
| 02:49.37 | Jaguar_ | <-- Brandon |
| 02:49.40 | FieldySnuts | i mean once in a while sure but getting trashed is not enjoyable to me |
| 02:49.40 | Phated | FieldySnuts: But you'll get all un-moisturised! |
| 02:49.44 | FieldySnuts | Jaguar_: ban evader? |
| 02:49.48 | Cyanophytes | dli: not muted |
| 02:49.52 | Phated | Jaguar_: /lastlog brandon_. |
| 02:49.52 | FieldySnuts | Phated: heh. .. |
| 02:49.54 | Jaguar_ | did you see a ban placed? |
| 02:50.00 | Jaguar_ | you all seem very young |
| 02:50.00 | FieldySnuts | Jaguar_: leave me alone! |
| 02:50.04 | dli | Cyanophytes: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:50.11 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 02:50.13 | sussudio | helix: did you ever see The Princess Bride? |
| 02:50.14 | Phated | "seem very young"? What kind of shit way to judge people is that? |
| 02:50.21 | nothos | ta sorted |
| 02:50.24 | helix | sussudio: only about 75 times |
| 02:50.25 | scarynetworkguy | nothos: Are you in flood? |
| 02:50.26 | FieldySnuts | Phated: he's brandon_. big surprise |
| 02:50.29 | Jaguar_ | I haven't spoken to you, then you say I'm a prick, I ask why, and you say leave you alone as if I'm accosting you? |
| 02:50.29 | sussudio | helix: http://www.local6.com/news/4030360/detail.html < ROUS! |
| 02:50.33 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ahh. |
| 02:50.41 | FieldySnuts | Jaguar_: i'm asking you nicely, to leave me alone |
| 02:50.48 | nothos | nope |
| 02:50.50 | Jaguar_ | Leave me alone |
| 02:50.51 | FieldySnuts | too lazy to type /ignore .. |
| 02:50.54 | Phated | FieldySnuts and brandon_ seem to have spoken rather a bit. |
| 02:50.54 | Cyanophytes | dli: 0 [I82801DBICH4 ]: ICH - Intel 82801DB-ICH4 |
| 02:50.54 | Cyanophytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.54 | MerlinCorey | Jaguar_: you are accosting people |
| 02:50.54 | FieldySnuts | wait, i just did. |
| 02:50.55 | nothos | but i have it figure |
| 02:50.58 | beardy | mick_laptop: Everyone that uses some software and/or reads the manual can make it better if they want to, and think it's needed. All developers and users are part of the QA group. |
| 02:51.01 | Phated | !win FieldySnuts |
| 02:51.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, FieldySnuts! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:51.05 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
| 02:51.06 | helix | sussudio: ! |
| 02:51.08 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: dose cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp make a sound |
| 02:51.12 | Jaguar_ | Merlin, I am not |
| 02:51.13 | dli | Cyanophytes: alsamixer |
| 02:51.14 | sussudio | helix: indeed |
| 02:51.17 | mick_laptop | beardy: i know that |
| 02:51.31 | asuffield | cool, giant rats |
| 02:51.32 | AdamWeston | what is this? days of our debian lives? |
| 02:51.34 | mick_laptop | beardy: i'm a project admin of 2 open source projects |
| 02:51.39 | FieldySnuts | AdamWeston: days of Sunday |
| 02:51.41 | Jaguar_ | Merlin, why would you say that? I am doing nothing but defending myself against unjust attacks. |
| 02:51.44 | nite_fly | to completly copy a drive should i use dd or ghost ? |
| 02:51.47 | AdamWeston | something |
| 02:51.49 | mick_laptop | beardy: my point is, is there something dedicated to that |
| 02:51.56 | helix | ok, everyone stop talking to each other unless you're helping someone |
| 02:51.59 | Jaguar_ | THINK about it. |
| 02:52.01 | lobster | how do I reinstall lilo? |
| 02:52.02 | helix | or I'll make you stop |
| 02:52.03 | helix | kthx |
| 02:52.07 | sussudio | snow bank, singapore? |
| 02:52.09 | asuffield | where the hell did you get snow? |
| 02:52.17 | dli | helix: so, you shut up |
| 02:52.20 | Phated | She shipped it from canucker. |
| 02:52.22 | Cyanophytes | green_earz: No sound with cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:52.28 | asuffield | oh, land of hell frozen over |
| 02:52.38 | Jaguar_ | With every sentence of mine I aim to help someone. |
| 02:52.49 | Phated | I don't see how that one helped anyone. |
| 02:52.52 | helix | both of you |
| 02:52.53 | helix | stop |
| 02:52.55 | Jaguar_ | for 4 complete years I have focussed on that. |
| 02:53.01 | Jaguar_ | with every breath |
| 02:53.03 | Cyanophytes | dli: how can I tell if alsamixer has it muted other than if the volume being turned all the way down |
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| 02:53.22 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite Jaguar_ |
| 02:53.23 | dli | Cyanophytes: alsamixer unmute and increase volume for everything :) use the up arrow :) |
| 02:53.33 | helix | scarynetworkguy. |
| 02:53.33 | dli | Cyanophytes: or use alsamixergui |
| 02:53.37 | Jaguar_ | have a death before you die |
| 02:53.38 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@dsl081-085-248.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] by asuffield |
| 02:53.40 | scarynetworkguy | helix. |
| 02:53.40 | helix | sigh |
| 02:53.41 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: i would say then that its a the module is not installed or the user is not in the audio grounp |
| 02:53.46 | asuffield | personally, I always preferred kicking people when they're down |
| 02:53.47 | helix | oh, asuffield beat me to it |
| 02:53.52 | helix | asuffield: thanks. :) |
| 02:54.12 | Phated | helix: Yes ma'am. |
| 02:54.28 | dli | dli: in crease volume for everything, and "aplay /dev/urandom" |
| 02:54.41 | scarynetworkguy | helix: I'll be a good boy. |
| 02:55.05 | asuffield | ooh, femdom smut |
| 02:55.11 | Phated | Oh dear. |
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| 02:55.15 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: is the driver installed and the user added to audio group |
| 02:55.25 | beardy | mick_laptop: I didn't mean to offend you. May I ask which projects? (out of curiosity) |
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| 02:55.35 | scarynetworkguy | Oh my. |
| 02:56.06 | mick_laptop | beardy: PPCConfDB and PlumpOS both on sf.net |
| 02:56.07 | sussudio | in soviet russia, chains please you? |
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| 02:57.02 | asuffield | sussudio: actually I think that's redneck america |
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| 02:57.23 | usuario | Does anyone else get a lot of crashing in KDE? GNOME doesn't do that too much from my use. |
| 02:57.28 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Don't encourage her! |
| 02:57.37 | FieldySnuts | why? |
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| 02:57.49 | FieldySnuts | we know how those southern girls are! |
| 02:57.49 | Phated | I dunno. There must be something against smut in-channel. |
| 02:57.50 | dli | usuario: use gnome :) |
| 02:57.52 | asuffield | she has a point |
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| 02:57.57 | Compy | Im a tad stuck here, im trying to install GCC on my 2.4.18-bf2.4 and im installing libdb1 cuz its a dependency, however libdb1 depends on libc6 which depends on libdb1 it seems, any help? I wish I could just get apt-get to install gcc3.0 however the update wont do it. |
| 02:58.13 | mick_laptop | beardy: the first one is a work in progress, it will be a webservice that auto-configures Debian on PPCs (also GentooPPC) and the second is a clustering linux live CD (no, not based on knoppix) :P |
| 02:58.16 | helix | o/~ I'm a southern girl, I like my tofu fried o/~ |
| 02:58.20 | usuario | dli My problem is that I'd like to use KDE, if people would work on it and not make it so crashy. |
| 02:58.25 | FieldySnuts | fake meat? er brb |
| 02:58.28 | Phated | Nothing wrong with tofu, fried or not. |
| 02:58.28 | Cyanophytes | green_earz: I did adduser username audio |
| 02:58.39 | Cyanophytes | green_earz: driver is instaled |
| 02:58.42 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ai, tofu is NOT fake meat, it is a food in and of itself. |
| 02:58.46 | asuffield | I'm with Raven on this one. fake meat. |
| 02:58.47 | nite_fly | is there a command to get the full size of a disk ? |
| 02:58.51 | FieldySnuts | i know i'm just being a jerk |
| 02:58.55 | mick_laptop | btw, i wasn't offended |
| 02:58.58 | scarynetworkguy | Dredged in a egg and fried in the god of all cooking liquids and it is *good*. |
| 02:59.07 | Phated | I eat meat, thank you, and tofu is a separate dish. |
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| 02:59.20 | helix | eh? tofu is separate |
| 02:59.24 | Davidcc6_ | hi, happy new year, well, when i try to do a make in mplayer i see this error make make: *** Warning: File `Makefile' |
| 02:59.24 | Davidcc6_ | has modification time in the future |
| 02:59.28 | mick_laptop | i just see a lack of quality assurance in the areas of documentation |
| 02:59.30 | Phated | Eewww, you eat it as fake meat? |
| 02:59.30 | kyncani | nite_fly: fdisk -l |
| 02:59.31 | helix | just heat it up and dip it in soy sauce. |
| 02:59.32 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: then you should get a sound from > cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 02:59.38 | AdamWeston | tofu can be combined with meat |
| 02:59.38 | Phated | Better. |
| 02:59.42 | mick_laptop | this probably should have gone in a /msg :) |
| 02:59.45 | helix | I eat fake meat sometimes, yeah |
| 02:59.47 | helix | tofurkey |
| 02:59.49 | AdamWeston | try a korean tofu house, good stuff |
| 02:59.50 | dli | Cyanophytes: give me an ssh account, if possible, want to have a look |
| 02:59.50 | Phated | Yelch. |
| 02:59.59 | lobster | Is there some way I can tell the windows boot manager to load linux, which is in /dev/hda4? |
| 03:00.04 | Phated | Tofu should be treated as tofu, not as some sad substitution. |
| 03:00.05 | sussudio | !pity tofurkey |
| 03:00.07 | dpkg | I pity da fool tofurkey! |
| 03:00.10 | helix | tofurkey is cool, Phated |
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| 03:00.11 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 03:00.15 | usuario | Why does sarge have nvidia 61.11 and not 62.99? |
| 03:00.15 | Davidcc6_ | who con help me? |
| 03:00.17 | AdamWeston | lobster, i think you can |
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| 03:00.20 | helix | tofu slabs don't make good sandwiches |
| 03:00.24 | AdamWeston | the laoder is configured using boot.ini |
| 03:00.24 | Phated | helix: Really? |
| 03:00.28 | scarynetworkguy | cool is a odd spelling for "evil". |
| 03:00.28 | dli | Phated: we call it meat simulation |
| 03:00.31 | helix | yeah |
| 03:00.34 | Cyanophytes | green_earz: My speakers plug into the usb port for power does that make a difference? |
| 03:00.45 | Phated | helix: I'll make a note to try some sometime or other. |
| 03:00.53 | Cyanophytes | dli: how can I give you an ssh account |
| 03:01.00 | helix | Phated: ok. :) (turkey is really easy to simulate because of its texture etc.) |
| 03:01.01 | dli | Cyanophytes: hold on, it's usb spearkers? |
| 03:01.13 | Cyanophytes | yeah |
| 03:01.17 | dli | Cyanophytes: not needed now, I don't have experience with usb audio |
| 03:01.19 | Phated | helix: Right. Not sure if I can find any in this land of meat, though. |
| 03:01.22 | asuffield | helix: what do you do to your poor turkey? |
| 03:01.30 | Phated | Simulates it. |
| 03:01.31 | Cyanophytes | Regular sound card in pc |
| 03:01.33 | FieldySnuts | bastes it? |
| 03:01.36 | KirbyMeister | ARGH! |
| 03:01.43 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: same here with usb sound on idear |
| 03:01.44 | Phated | I don't think helix bastes turkey. |
| 03:01.45 | dli | Cyanophytes: I suppose you need usb support in kernel |
| 03:01.46 | helix | I don't eat turkey |
| 03:01.47 | KirbyMeister | This new OfficeJet doesnt have Linux drivers! |
| 03:02.00 | FieldySnuts | light meat? |
| 03:02.01 | FieldySnuts | oh n/m |
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| 03:02.07 | Phated | Vegan. |
| 03:02.07 | AdamWeston | prolly the older officejet driver will work |
| 03:02.13 | dli | Cyanophytes: how can your pci sound card send output to usb? |
| 03:02.18 | KirbyMeister | AdamWeston: It's an OfficeJet 4215 |
| 03:02.23 | asuffield | KirbyMeister: that'll teach you to buy a printer without checking first |
| 03:02.30 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: I didnt buy it |
| 03:02.35 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: My mom did |
| 03:02.41 | asuffield | then learn whoever bought it to check first |
| 03:02.45 | AdamWeston | google it, im sure someone has it working |
| 03:02.56 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: And they want to get XP instead of migrating to Linux |
| 03:02.56 | Cyanophytes | dli: no just uses the usb port to power the speakers instead of pluging them in to the wall |
| 03:02.58 | Phated | Why didn't you just buy it yourself and/or give her a model? |
| 03:03.11 | FieldySnuts | badgerwangtek |
| 03:03.13 | KirbyMeister | Phated: I didnt even know she was buying it until Christmas |
| 03:03.18 | nite_fly | ok i just put 2 more drives in my linux box how do i view emm ? |
| 03:03.18 | Phated | Ah. |
| 03:03.24 | helix | I got one of those printer/scanner/fax machines for xmas which I'm pretty sure won't work with linux |
| 03:03.29 | helix | I guess I should check |
| 03:03.32 | Phated | FieldySnuts: What is this badgerwangtek thing? |
| 03:03.34 | asuffield | helix: lo, for it is cheap and nasty |
| 03:03.35 | scarynetworkguy | helix: What model is it? |
| 03:03.38 | FieldySnuts | Phated: dunno |
| 03:03.44 | Phated | helix: Those are fun. |
| 03:03.45 | beardy | mick_laptop: Do you mean all documentation of free software, or some area in particular? It would be quite hard for a group to go through all documentation there is, for every software project. |
| 03:03.51 | helix | scarynetworkguy: I dunno, some dell thing |
| 03:03.55 | asuffield | my uncle just got one which works perfectly, native IPP, native T.37 and T.38 fax, and native scan-to-mail |
| 03:03.59 | helix | I don't have anywhere in my room to put it |
| 03:04.01 | dli | Cyanophytes: and the speaker volume is up ? |
| 03:04.04 | KirbyMeister | Phated: You know, they even have fscking MAC OSX DRIVERS, it's ALREADY unix-compatible, they just have to run another compile to get it working under Linux!!! |
| 03:04.05 | asuffield | admittedly it's about 3m long and weighs about a quarter of a ton |
| 03:04.08 | helix | so I haven't bothered to set it up at all |
| 03:04.09 | Cyanophytes | dli: yes |
| 03:04.09 | scarynetworkguy | helix: Ah in that case you are likely hosed. The HP ones work well with Linux. |
| 03:04.10 | helix | asuffield: heh |
| 03:04.12 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: just try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp as root just a idear |
| 03:04.14 | Phated | helix: Under your desk, as a footrest when it gets cold. :) |
| 03:04.15 | dli | Cyanophytes: still, alsamixergui |
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| 03:04.25 | Phated | KirbyMeister: So do it. *shrugs* |
| 03:04.30 | newbee | Happy nem year! |
| 03:04.32 | helix | well, under my desk isn't a bad idea since I prop my feet up on my dresser anyway |
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| 03:04.33 | dli | Cyanophytes: turn up and unmute everything |
| 03:04.33 | sussudio | !sw Guerin |
| 03:04.33 | asuffield | but hey, it has a duplex laser drum. that's cool. |
| 03:04.33 | KirbyMeister | Phated: It's binary-only |
| 03:04.33 | dpkg | Guerin: you stats whore! |
| 03:04.44 | KirbyMeister | Phated: I was saying that HP could easily provide Linux drivers |
| 03:04.45 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: if you see a lack of QA in the documentation, then apoint yourself QA meister, and fix the problems that you find |
| 03:04.55 | scarynetworkguy | KirbyMeister: They do. Very good ones. |
| 03:04.59 | mick_laptop | beardy: probably for the well established ones, like Mozilla Projects (Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird...) and Gnome, KDE, InsertYourProjectHere |
| 03:04.59 | Davidcc6_ | i need help whit mplayer, who can help me? |
| 03:05.06 | sussudio | whit? |
| 03:05.08 | nite_fly | is there a command to find where my drives are ? |
| 03:05.10 | sussudio | #mplayer? |
| 03:05.13 | nite_fly | like iof there not mounted |
| 03:05.15 | KirbyMeister | scarynetworkguy: not for my new Officejet I got for christmas |
| 03:05.16 | mick_laptop | dondelelcaro: thats what i've been doing |
| 03:05.19 | KirbyMeister | I'm gonna google |
| 03:05.26 | asuffield | sunbird does not qualify as 'established' |
| 03:05.34 | mick_laptop | asuffield: i know |
| 03:05.38 | dli | nite_fly: dmesg, or /proc/ide, or df, or mount |
| 03:05.39 | FieldySnuts | f*cking mozilla |
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| 03:05.41 | Phated | You mean you didn't do that BEFORE coming here? Bad kitty. *spray* |
| 03:05.51 | dli | Davidcc6_: what's the problem? |
| 03:05.51 | FieldySnuts | wait, what's the spray |
| 03:05.53 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Eh, what's Mozilla ever done to you? |
| 03:05.54 | Cyanophytes | dli: I have alsamixer no alsamixergui |
| 03:06.02 | asuffield | helix: horde and egroupware.org are what I give my lusers |
| 03:06.04 | Davidcc6_ | when a try to copilate using make, this error apear # make make: *** Warning: File `Makefile' has |
| 03:06.05 | Davidcc6_ | modification time in the future |
| 03:06.07 | asuffield | mind you, I don't care about them |
| 03:06.08 | dondelelcaro | Phated: besides being a steaming pile? |
| 03:06.08 | dli | Cyanophytes: install it |
| 03:06.10 | helix | asuffield: I just need a personal one |
| 03:06.16 | Phated | dondelelcaro: :( |
| 03:06.17 | mick_laptop | asuffield: with version 0.2 its sort of hard to be established, but it is very much usable |
| 03:06.18 | Davidcc6_ | modification time in the future |
| 03:06.23 | dondelelcaro | Phated: see the newest thread on -legal if you need another example. |
| 03:06.24 | WiFiTux | someone has deb for java? I just need to install limewire.. |
| 03:06.24 | helix | asuffield: ...preferably not web-based, though I guess that would do in a pinch |
| 03:06.32 | nite_fly | how would i mount hdc ? |
| 03:06.35 | helix | so I use korganizer until, I dunno |
| 03:06.35 | nite_fly | its NTFS |
| 03:06.38 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ah. |
| 03:06.48 | scarynetworkguy | KirbyMeister: Odds are the 4200 drivers are more than close enough. In general with HP you get in the same family and you are good to go. |
| 03:06.49 | mick_laptop | ~+java |
| 03:06.50 | apt | i guess java is at (Link: http://www.blackdown.org)http://www.blackdown.org or at (Link: http://www.javasoft.com)http://www.javasoft.com or at (Link: http://www.savaje.com)http://www.savaje.com or at (Link: http://www.pocketlinux.com)http://www.pocketlinux.com or at (Link: http://java.sun.com)http://java.sun.com or at http://www.insignia.com, or see the ... |
| 03:06.59 | asuffield | helix: unless you want to use evolution, it's either web-based or small crap like sunbird/korganizer/etc |
| 03:07.06 | asuffield | been *all* over this field. there's nothing |
| 03:07.07 | KirbyMeister | scarynetworkguy: Should I check my packagemanager? |
| 03:07.15 | dondelelcaro | Phated: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/thread/20041231.151623.e8d6c6a1.en.html |
| 03:07.25 | mick_laptop | WiFiTux: blackdown is the package |
| 03:07.27 | scarynetworkguy | KirbyMeister: WTF? |
| 03:07.29 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
| 03:07.30 | helix | asuffield: yeah. well, honestly, korganizer has the functionality I need, it's just that the UI is kinda bleh. |
| 03:07.37 | WiFiTux | mick_laptop, :) |
| 03:07.39 | scarynetworkguy | KirbyMeister: http://www.linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi |
| 03:07.41 | WiFiTux | thanks |
| 03:07.48 | mick_laptop | np |
| 03:07.51 | asuffield | oh yeah, the mozilla foundation have some strange ideas |
| 03:07.57 | asuffield | afaict they don't want to be free software at all |
| 03:08.06 | mick_laptop | ? |
| 03:08.15 | mick_laptop | what are you talking about? |
| 03:08.21 | asuffield | mozilla |
| 03:08.29 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: If they didnt wanna be free software, then why are they releasing their stuff under the MPL/GPL/I forgot-PL trilicence? |
| 03:08.35 | mick_laptop | where do you get that info? |
| 03:08.37 | asuffield | KirbyMeister: bad planning |
| 03:08.38 | helix | ha ha |
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| 03:08.43 | helix | you're all in for it |
| 03:08.51 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: Unless they just like the term Open Source better |
| 03:08.53 | Phated | Weehoo. |
| 03:09.01 | asuffield | KirbyMeister: no, they like the *idea* 'open source' better |
| 03:09.06 | asuffield | ie, non-free open-source |
| 03:09.18 | AdamWeston | just wait till the mozilla foundations starts charging us all a grand for each copy |
| 03:09.22 | asuffield | which is downright strange |
| 03:09.54 | helix | asuffield: I believe you're dealing with people that don't understand either licenses or what non-free actually means |
| 03:10.08 | asuffield | helix: that's not surprising, most people don't :P |
| 03:10.08 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: Oh, you mean, selling open-source |
| 03:10.15 | AdamWeston | there are many ideas of what free means |
| 03:10.18 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: I gotcha |
| 03:10.21 | asuffield | KirbyMeister: no. they don't want to sell it, they just want it to be non-free |
| 03:10.25 | helix | AdamWeston: not within debian |
| 03:10.25 | mick_laptop | asuffield: i know a lot of developers that work on various Mozilla projects, at no time have i ever heard anything close to what you just said |
| 03:10.35 | sussudio | cafuego, actionwhore '04 |
| 03:10.38 | asuffield | mick_laptop: you haven't been listening to the right ones, then |
| 03:10.38 | AdamWeston | mozilla... |
| 03:10.45 | green_earz | nite_fly: have a read around the subject of fstab would help |
| 03:10.52 | virgomoon | I hate to change the subject, but does anyone know where I can find some stats on 'Linux viruses', if there is such a critter? |
| 03:11.05 | virgomoon | Or do they just not exist. |
| 03:11.05 | dli | virgomoon: want to write one? |
| 03:11.11 | mick_laptop | the "buy our product on CD" is so people can support the Mozilla Foundation (a non-profit org as I understand it), and employ people to code |
| 03:11.13 | green_earz | nite_fly: /etc/fstab your mount points |
| 03:11.31 | AdamWeston | virgo there are few |
| 03:11.32 | virgomoon | No, just trying to gauge the number of threats out there quantitatively. |
| 03:11.37 | AdamWeston | try... google |
| 03:11.39 | asuffield | KirbyMeister: specifically, they want to be the sole controller of mozilla. they don't want anybody else changing it |
| 03:11.44 | restrex | happy new year :D |
| 03:11.50 | mick_laptop | asuffield: show me one dev. that says anything like that |
| 03:11.51 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: this is a slightly different issue. Some of them are into Open Source, not Free Software. |
| 03:12.01 | mick_laptop | perhaps a blog entry? |
| 03:12.03 | asuffield | mick_laptop: all the ones who have been negotiating with Debian over licensing |
| 03:12.06 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: see the thread that I posted on -legal which is now in scrollback. |
| 03:12.17 | mick_laptop | ok |
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| 03:12.28 | KirbyMeister | Hey, I just found HP's sourceforge project for Linux drivers |
| 03:12.38 | asuffield | they're stuck with a copyleft license now (fortunately for us), but they'd really rather have a look-but-don't-touch license |
| 03:12.43 | asuffield | ie, Sun-style "open source" |
| 03:12.55 | asuffield | (thanks Perens, for introducing this really stupid idea) |
| 03:13.08 | FieldySnuts | Perens is a sellout. |
| 03:14.18 | mick_laptop | dondelelcaro: Dec. right? |
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| 03:14.40 | asuffield | and various other times in the past six months |
| 03:14.51 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/thread/20041231.151623.e8d6c6a1.en.html |
| 03:14.52 | qwerty | Where can I look for info on setting up boot logos? |
| 03:14.53 | Phated | mick_laptop: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/thread/20041231.151623.e8d6c6a1.en.html is clearer. |
| 03:15.08 | FieldySnuts | @win dondelelcaro |
| 03:15.09 | asuffield | we've dealt with the mozilla foundation quite a bit on this issue, and they're quite firmly committed to non-free goals |
| 03:15.10 | ravenbird | Congratulations, dondelelcaro! You have won the US presidency! |
| 03:15.34 | asuffield | (can't imagine why) |
| 03:15.42 | AdamWeston | am i correct in thinking that /usr is where most of the files are placed when most apps are installed? |
| 03:15.51 | dondelelcaro | AdamWeston: depends on the application... |
| 03:16.02 | AdamWeston | the average one |
| 03:16.05 | KirbyMeister | AdamWeston: Yep |
| 03:16.08 | asuffield | AdamWeston: from a certain perspective, yes. it's not exactly 'accurate' |
| 03:16.14 | KirbyMeister | AdamWeston: For the most part |
| 03:16.26 | AdamWeston | is there mcuh deviation? |
| 03:16.30 | AdamWeston | much |
| 03:16.34 | asuffield | AdamWeston: the question is malformed |
| 03:16.39 | KirbyMeister | AdamWeston: It seems to be the rule |
| 03:16.43 | asuffield | the bulk of the data on the system is spread through /etc, /usr, and /var |
| 03:16.48 | mick_laptop | wtf |
| 03:16.48 | asuffield | they contain different *kinds* of data |
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| 03:16.58 | AdamWeston | ok |
| 03:17.01 | mick_laptop | i'm deeply disturbed by this |
| 03:17.01 | asuffield | /usr is where stuff like program files go |
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| 03:17.16 | AdamWeston | if i unstall an application, say, OO.org |
| 03:17.18 | mick_laptop | the "thunderbird demands" so to speak |
| 03:17.24 | AdamWeston | which directory wwill grow the most? |
| 03:17.32 | asuffield | AdamWeston: measure it and find out |
| 03:17.55 | austra | how do u change the system clock of a linux boxen? |
| 03:18.02 | AdamWeston | well im setting up my partitions, and dont want to start avoer again after experimenting... |
| 03:18.03 | dondelelcaro | !tell austra about set the time |
| 03:18.11 | asuffield | austra: date. or more commonly, ntpdate/ntpd |
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| 03:18.25 | KirbyMeister | mick_laptop: I'll never look at Mozilla the same way again! *deletes Firefox* |
| 03:18.35 | Cyanophytes | dli: I get static when I turn on the mic and turn it all the way up |
| 03:18.40 | asuffield | AdamWeston: if you don't know how to split /usr and /var, *don't*. leave them in the root filesystem and make it big |
| 03:18.54 | mwilson | AUGH! GIMP has gone to that incredibly stupid Gnome file dialog! |
| 03:19.11 | FieldySnuts | that IS stupid |
| 03:19.21 | Phated | Seems usable enough. |
| 03:19.29 | KirbyMeister | mwilson: What incredibly stubid GNOME file dialog? |
| 03:19.31 | mwilson | Give up all pretense that Gnome actually controls GTK. |
| 03:19.34 | green_earz | AdamWeston: go for / /swap /var /home |
| 03:19.35 | mick_laptop | KirbyMeister: we finally have a decent browser and this shit happens (sigh) |
| 03:20.00 | mwilson | KirbyMeister: You've not seen the stupidity introduced with Gnome 2.6? |
| 03:20.01 | KirbyMeister | mick_laptop: YOU SOLD ME OUT! YOU SOLD ME OUT! the cheat, tell him that he sold you out. YOU SOLD ME OUT! |
| 03:20.07 | AdamWeston | maybe thats the best tack for me, all in one for now, ill just split off /home |
| 03:20.14 | KirbyMeister | mwilson: I dont know what version of GIMP I have |
| 03:20.20 | asuffield | AdamWeston: that'll do. you don't need to split them for a desktop anyway |
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| 03:20.32 | mwilson | KirbyMeister: Gnome took over GTK. |
| 03:20.32 | Phated | The current one in Debian sid is GIMP 2.2. |
| 03:20.46 | asuffield | and the only way to learn how to allocate disk space on servers is experience, it can't be quantified |
| 03:20.56 | KirbyMeister | I'm using GIMP 2.0.6. |
| 03:21.00 | AdamWeston | its not a server |
| 03:21.01 | dli | Cyanophytes: then, you need "aplay /dev/urandom" |
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| 03:21.14 | green_earz | AdamWeston: hard drive size ? |
| 03:21.16 | AdamWeston | well i will run a few servers, but for local use and testing |
| 03:21.30 | AdamWeston | about 100GB free |
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| 03:22.00 | asuffield | 10Gb for system files unless you really know you need something else. the rest for user data (/home) |
| 03:22.19 | green_earz | AdamWeston: menory size |
| 03:22.29 | AdamWeston | 1.5GB |
| 03:22.37 | asuffield | (you can get away with 5, but no reason to skimp with modern disks) |
| 03:22.42 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: I see no reason why you cant just have a background process alert you when a folder has gone above a certain size or something... Wait? 100GB? Bah, as long as no one drives 100 torrents into your server I see no problem keeping them 1-partition. |
| 03:22.51 | green_earz | AdamWeston: thats a lot |
| 03:23.21 | asuffield | KirbyMeister: keeping /home off the system filesystem reduces chance of data loss when the system crashes quite a bit |
| 03:23.25 | asuffield | since most write activity is on /home |
| 03:23.27 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: Oh. |
| 03:23.34 | mwilson | KirbyMeister: http://members.cox.net/msw/dialog.png |
| 03:23.41 | FieldySnuts | heh i've got 8 partitions not including swap on one drive |
| 03:23.45 | mwilson | Isn't that the stupidest thing you ever saw? |
| 03:23.57 | Phated | Stupid howso? |
| 03:24.12 | nite_fly | how would i properly mount a device thats /proc/ide/hdc |
| 03:24.16 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: I thought you were sectioning off stuff due to space |
| 03:24.17 | nite_fly | is a msdos system |
| 03:24.27 | KirbyMeister | mwilson: I like that type of dialog |
| 03:24.28 | Cyanophytes | dli: aplay /dev/urandom don't do anything have to press ctrl+c to get prompt again |
| 03:24.33 | dli | mwilson: there's no limit in stupidity |
| 03:24.41 | KirbyMeister | IMHO, I hate KDE, they took the same browser-as-shell route that did Microsoft in. |
| 03:24.53 | asuffield | KirbyMeister: nah, only reasons for splitting filesystems are (a) independent stability/reliability (including different raid configurations), and (b) administrative convinience |
| 03:24.53 | FieldySnuts | don't use it then |
| 03:25.05 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: How/why is that stupid? |
| 03:25.07 | dli | Cyanophytes: can you get aumix? |
| 03:25.07 | asuffield | mwilson: no, I have seen much worse ones |
| 03:25.11 | KirbyMeister | asuffield: Oh. Then feel free to partition off your homes. |
| 03:25.16 | Phated | How, precisely, is the dialog stupid? Honestly. Just a question. |
| 03:25.26 | dli | Cyanophytes: what's the output of "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" ? |
| 03:25.28 | green_earz | AdamWeston: a rulle of thum is that the swap is twise the size of the memory but with 1.5GB ? i would say it can come way down, |
| 03:25.31 | lsailor | i am in need of some help... i have a dedicated server and the hard drive was failing so they installed a new hard drive and got debian installed....the old drive is connected... i need to figure out how to get everything from the old drive to the new one. the only problem is that the old drive has about 5 partitions and the new one only has one. can someone help me with this? |
| 03:25.32 | asuffield | the acorn risc os method, that was quite bad |
| 03:25.44 | mwilson | Phated: As compared to this? http://members.cox.net/msw/dialog2.png |
| 03:25.56 | beardy | nite_fly: man mount |
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| 03:26.13 | nite_fly | trying i keep having probs |
| 03:26.17 | nite_fly | info mount as well |
| 03:26.24 | Phated | mwilson: Ahh. |
| 03:26.39 | AdamWeston | is 2GB the limit for swap size? |
| 03:26.54 | nite_fly | yes on i386 |
| 03:27.01 | AdamWeston | i would actually like to have a lot, because I will be running at least a couple virtual machines |
| 03:27.05 | mwilson | Phated: Which looks usable to you? |
| 03:27.06 | Cyanophytes | dli: same as aplay /dev/urandom |
| 03:27.08 | asuffield | AdamWeston: 4Gb is the limit for addressible memory space on an i386. more swap than that isn't desperately useful |
| 03:27.09 | cafuego | green_earz: That used to be the case with 2.2 and older kernels. |
| 03:27.12 | AdamWeston | i think they will suck it up |
| 03:27.19 | crazyb | alone in partie city of 20 nothings, orlando, with small amount of beer and much trouble doning a hd install of knoppix |
| 03:27.28 | dli | Cyanophytes: aumix :) |
| 03:27.37 | mwilson | Why would you install Knoppix on purpose? |
| 03:27.38 | cafuego | AdamWeston: Go with 512Mb or something; just mount it as tmpfs later, so it's not wasted. |
| 03:27.47 | Phated | mwilson: I see what you mean. The lack of create/delete file buttons are annoying, yes, but it's really the only thing that bugs me. |
| 03:28.06 | asuffield | (it's certainly possible to fill more swap space than that, but it's pretty hard to do so while the system remains usable) |
| 03:28.09 | Cyanophytes | dli: aumix don't show anything muted |
| 03:28.20 | crazyb | i want debian but i dont want to download 7 discs |
| 03:28.38 | AdamWeston | cafuego, i dont understand what you're suggesting, im sorry |
| 03:28.39 | crazyb | and im a newbie |
| 03:28.42 | cafuego | asuffield: yeah, waiting for a box to re/un-swap 2GB of data is reset-button-pushingly annoying ;-) |
| 03:28.47 | scarynetworkguy | crazyb: So grab the netinstall image and install it. |
| 03:28.54 | AdamWeston | you cant mount a partition of "SWAP" type, can you? |
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| 03:28.59 | crazyb | there is one |
| 03:29.03 | crazyb | ? |
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| 03:29.21 | cafuego | AdamWeston: No, but you can mount ram as 'tmpfs' on say /tmp and have the system swap the data on that ramfs to swap |
| 03:29.22 | dli | Cyanophytes: and volume setting okay? |
| 03:29.26 | crazyb | oh, yeah, i got that and thats not the way i want to go |
| 03:29.26 | AdamWeston | yes crazyb, i am doing it myself right now |
| 03:29.28 | Phated | crazyb: Clearly you need to spend more time on the Debian website reading. /msg dpkg d-i should start you off. |
| 03:29.36 | Cyanophytes | dli: yes |
| 03:29.37 | cafuego | AdamWeston: So you effectively use the space you allocated for swap as filesystem. |
| 03:29.43 | crazyb | yeah, probabaly |
| 03:29.55 | dli | Cyanophytes: my guess, get another speaker, and see :) |
| 03:29.58 | asuffield | shouldn't be much data in /tmp though |
| 03:29.58 | Phated | Why wouldn't you want a netinst, anyway? |
| 03:30.04 | green_earz | crazyb: download the sarge net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20041230/ > sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:30.17 | crazyb | yeah, i got that |
| 03:30.26 | nite_fly | > /dev/hdb not a valid block device ? |
| 03:30.28 | crazyb | i'll try it again |
| 03:30.28 | scarynetworkguy | crazyb: And you do know that by installing off of a Knoppix disc that you will have a Knoppix install and not a Debian install right? |
| 03:30.36 | green_earz | crazyb: and dsl ? |
| 03:30.38 | crazyb | yeah |
| 03:30.38 | cafuego | asuffield: Just enough for a 700MB iso and a few MB left over tends to work fine |
| 03:30.39 | crazyb | cable |
| 03:30.49 | jasonf | crazyb: and if you have a knoppix install instead of a debian install, you don't ask for help in here ;) |
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| 03:31.05 | crazyb | sorry |
| 03:31.06 | green_earz | crazyb: your friend will be then the net installer |
| 03:31.09 | asuffield | cafuego: why keep that stuff in /tmp ? |
| 03:31.12 | lsailor | can someone help me figure out how to get the data off my old drive and onto my new one... i am fear that if i just cp it, that it iwll break things |
| 03:31.20 | crazyb | ok, thanks i'll try it again |
| 03:31.28 | Phated | crazyb: Cable is fine for installing from a netinst. You obviously require some patience because it can and might take up to half an hour, but really. |
| 03:31.36 | cafuego | asuffield: Just for mkisofs > cdrecord; delete afetrwards |
| 03:31.46 | asuffield | cafuego: oh, I do that in a pipe, I don't save the files |
| 03:31.48 | AdamWeston | only a half hour? |
| 03:31.54 | crazyb | im running suse 9.0, i dont like it all that well, will debian be harder for a newbie? |
| 03:31.55 | AdamWeston | thats not patience |
| 03:32.01 | asuffield | cafuego: stresses the IO system a bit, but my box can keep up with the burner |
| 03:32.02 | Phated | Unless you decide to install all that other shit at the same time. |
| 03:32.04 | AdamWeston | it takes longer than that to install from CDs |
| 03:32.14 | cafuego | asuffield: Yeah, I could, but it tends to be NFS mounted data... and I have enough coasters as it is. |
| 03:32.16 | crazyb | yeah |
| 03:32.16 | nite_fly | if i need to just copy one drive too the next doo i still need to mount it ? |
| 03:32.17 | asuffield | and it means I get down to a shade over 2 minutes per disk |
| 03:32.19 | Phated | I only got the base system and installed everything else after. |
| 03:32.43 | nite_fly | > mount -t msdos /dev/hdb /hdb should work correct ? |
| 03:33.19 | beardy | crazyb: things is a bit different, to the much better, you will find out after a while, if you take one step at a time, and read some docs, and ask intelligent questions when you need too, you will learn quickly. |
| 03:33.24 | asuffield | you probably want the vfat filesystem driver, not the msdos one |
| 03:33.47 | crazyb | did i ask a retarded question or something, lol |
| 03:33.59 | asuffield | crazyb: yeah, pretty much |
| 03:34.02 | crazyb | sorry |
| 03:34.04 | Phated | Asking for knoppix help in here qualifies. |
| 03:34.07 | JaMalz | how can i see ls in coulors |
| 03:34.10 | crazyb | i dont know what the hell im doing |
| 03:34.19 | Phated | JaMalz: man ls. |
| 03:34.20 | crazyb | im trying though |
| 03:34.30 | AdamWeston | if you actually want to use knoppix, im sure theres a channel |
| 03:34.31 | asuffield | JaMalz: edit .bash_profile. uncomment the bit about .bashrc |
| 03:34.33 | beardy | crazyb: that's good |
| 03:34.41 | beardy | crazyb: keep it up :) |
| 03:34.45 | JaMalz | thanks « asuffield » : |
| 03:34.53 | asuffield | and stop using fucking loonie quotes |
| 03:35.14 | crazyb | well i know that knoppix is debian based and it would be pretty much debian, but then again i dont realy know |
| 03:35.28 | green_earz | crazyb: have you run the net installer yet on the box ? |
| 03:35.30 | scarynetworkguy | crazyb: Yes. You see we have these things we call "names". One of the ways you can tell if two things are the same or not is that they will have the same name if they are the same and different names it they are not. Thus Debian and Knoppix having different names are clearly different things. |
| 03:35.35 | crazyb | yeah |
| 03:35.51 | AdamWeston | crazyb, its much different though, its just *based on* deb |
| 03:35.57 | crazyb | ok |
| 03:36.04 | nite_fly | can someone please give me a sample command on how a msdos or ntfs drive would be mounted under linux |
| 03:36.08 | green_earz | crazyb: so you got the base on and a desktop ? |
| 03:36.17 | crazyb | i ran the net install setup and i got to the partion and quit cause i got scared |
| 03:36.19 | simonrvn | nite_fly: man mount |
| 03:36.27 | asuffield | you don't mount ntfs volumes |
| 03:36.27 | Phated | mount -t vfat /msdos/drive /dest/dir. |
| 03:36.32 | nite_fly | i did i get error |
| 03:36.35 | Compy | How do I fix this error? it happens when i dpkg -i a deb file. 2.4.18-bf2.4 trying to overwrite `/lib/libdb1-2.2.5.so', which is also in package libdb1-compat ; dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 03:36.41 | simonrvn | nite_fly: option -t $filesystem |
| 03:36.44 | AdamWeston | crazy, do the autopartition thing |
| 03:36.45 | nite_fly | not a valid block device |
| 03:37.01 | cafuego | Your KERNEL is overwriting libdb1? |
| 03:37.07 | beardy | nite_fly: that is very well documented in the manual, if you read it, you will understand it. (you clearly have not read it as much as you should..) |
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| 03:37.23 | crazyb | yeah, i was gonna but i fucked up my mbr last time i was messing around not knowing what i was doing and lost alot of files |
| 03:37.40 | cafuego | somethingbad: Switch off that script. |
| 03:37.41 | Compy | cafuego: I think that was a pase error |
| 03:37.46 | Compy | paste* |
| 03:37.53 | cafuego | Compy: I hope so <heh> |
| 03:37.55 | KirbyMeister | I'LL GIVE YOU OPEN SOURCE! WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THIS TRADEMARK LICENSING CRAP, BUT THE CODE IS COPYLEFTED! |
| 03:37.59 | Compy | Any ideas? |
| 03:38.12 | cafuego | Compy: 'dpkg -i --force-overwrite foo.deb' |
| 03:38.17 | AdamWeston | caps key dude |
| 03:38.17 | crazyb | i want to put grub |
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| 03:38.26 | robrock | hey i tried to compile xchat and get python.h not found. |
| 03:38.36 | green_earz | crazyb: grub will go on as default |
| 03:38.36 | Phated | Why are you compiling it? |
| 03:38.40 | crazyb | ok |
| 03:38.44 | AdamWeston | theres no xchat package? |
| 03:38.49 | Phated | Oh really. |
| 03:38.57 | cafuego | Phated: Coz debian doesn't use -march=p4 -O6 by default |
| 03:39.03 | Phated | cafuego: Of course not. |
| 03:39.09 | Phated | Aren't there unofficial binaries all over the shop anyway? |
| 03:39.10 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: Nice. |
| 03:39.19 | robrock | AdamWeston: yes but i want my own compiled version |
| 03:39.21 | KirbyMeister | That was me complaing about Mozilla |
| 03:39.30 | cafuego | robrock: why? |
| 03:39.33 | Phated | robrock: Again, why? |
| 03:39.44 | AdamWeston | then stop whing and get back to the compiler |
| 03:39.47 | scarynetworkguy | Because it's 1337? |
| 03:39.49 | AdamWeston | jk |
| 03:39.57 | KirbyMeister | robrock: unless you wanna optimize it, get a binary |
| 03:39.59 | crazyb | so what all will the netinstall install, just a minimal debian and i'll just have to download all the packages i want |
| 03:40.02 | robrock | well becouse the the one in sarge keeps forking up on me |
| 03:40.02 | green_earz | crazyb: in the partitioning section of the installer there is a option to let the partition to do the set up of the drive |
| 03:40.04 | Phated | It's not like a kernel, you know, you don't get better performance from it. |
| 03:40.06 | cafuego | crazyb: yep |
| 03:40.22 | simonrvn | KirbyMeister: "optimising" it wouldn't fucking matter in an irc client |
| 03:40.24 | Phated | crazyb: Really, after you install the base, (say no to tasksel), man apt-get. |
| 03:40.25 | crazyb | but i will be able to set the volume still righ? |
| 03:40.25 | AdamWeston | it will install whatever you choose, if you get the full netinst cd it insludes the base packages |
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| 03:40.37 | AdamWeston | the volume? |
| 03:40.42 | KirbyMeister | simonrvn: Oh, I thought you meant the Kernel |
| 03:40.48 | robrock | well what package has python.h in it ? |
| 03:40.50 | crazyb | the size of the partition |
| 03:41.00 | cafuego | robrock: Learn to use packages.debian.org |
| 03:41.09 | AdamWeston | yes it installs exactly the same |
| 03:41.23 | Phated | crazyb: It IS a complete install process, including partitioning, innitialising, and so on. |
| 03:41.31 | cafuego | or 'apt-get build-dep' |
| 03:41.33 | crazyb | ok |
| 03:41.34 | AdamWeston | it just gets packes off the net rather than asking you to insert CD # 6 now |
| 03:41.42 | AdamWeston | packages |
| 03:41.42 | crazyb | ok, thats what i thought |
| 03:42.00 | KirbyMeister | AdamWeston: Make sure he's using sarge packages instead of stable package |
| 03:42.03 | Phated | And you don't even have to go that far, just install enough to be able to reboot and install an IRC client and then figure out what you want. |
| 03:42.20 | crazyb | the netinstall i had was about 200Mb, is that the one with all the base stuff? |
| 03:42.28 | AdamWeston | i really shouldnt be giving info and advice at all considering how newbie i am myself |
| 03:42.45 | AdamWeston | no thats the minimal one or whatever |
| 03:42.50 | AdamWeston | still works the same |
| 03:42.54 | crazyb | ok |
| 03:42.55 | simonrvn | netinst |
| 03:43.03 | AdamWeston | just a bit more downloading while you install |
| 03:43.08 | green_earz | crazyb: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20041230/ > sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 03:43.14 | crazyb | thanks |
| 03:43.49 | green_earz | crazyb: all the best |
| 03:43.50 | nite_fly | is there a way i can check what filke system is on a drive without mounting ? |
| 03:44.23 | dondelelcaro | nite_fly: look at the magic numbers of the filesystem |
| 03:44.25 | crazyb | so does it let me choose the browser like KDE or GNOME? |
| 03:44.45 | scarynetworkguy | crazyb: Those are not browsers but yes it will. |
| 03:44.48 | AdamWeston | those arent browsers man |
| 03:45.09 | green_earz | crazyb: what size hard drive ? |
| 03:45.15 | crazyb | 120gig |
| 03:45.22 | AdamWeston | wtf |
| 03:45.27 | AdamWeston | crazyb, are you me? |
| 03:45.35 | crazyb | i just want to make a 40g partition |
| 03:45.39 | green_earz | crazyb: the installer will look after you |
| 03:45.56 | crazyb | ok |
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| 03:46.17 | green_earz | crazyb: and may the source be with you |
| 03:46.37 | nite_fly | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 03:46.37 | crazyb | haha, you too |
| 03:46.50 | green_earz | thanks |
| 03:46.51 | dli | green_earz: bugzilla be with you |
| 03:47.00 | crazyb | i better do this tomorrow cause i have to find some beer to drink |
| 03:47.02 | karsten | WTF is the difference between Macromedia's "Flash Player" and "Shockwave Player"? |
| 03:47.05 | kenboo | nite_fly, run fdisk command and hit p |
| 03:47.37 | karsten | kenboo: That's not assured. |
| 03:47.42 | crazyb | later and thanks for the tips |
| 03:47.45 | karsten | nite_fly: Why don't you want to mount? |
| 03:48.07 | AdamWeston | karsten, totally different things |
| 03:48.17 | nite_fly | i want to mount if i could figure out what file system it was |
| 03:48.20 | AdamWeston | flash player is the one you normally want |
| 03:48.22 | nite_fly | having issues |
| 03:48.29 | nite_fly | <-- is used to sue w/ KDE\ |
| 03:48.41 | nite_fly | now im in the real world and yeah have to get used to stuff again |
| 03:48.41 | dondelelcaro | nite_fly: then don't specify the filesystem. Mount knows more about guessing filesystems than you do. |
| 03:48.43 | Cyanophytes | dli: no go with different speakers. Do you know of any sites that have info I can read about configuring sound cards? |
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| 03:49.04 | karsten | AdamWeston: Well, that's just *so* definitively informative. |
| 03:49.30 | dli | Cyanophytes: unlikely a software issue :) |
| 03:49.31 | Cyanophytes | dli: withought the sound card loaded I couldn't even load mixer and change volume so I must be close |
| 03:49.44 | dli | Cyanophytes: I have intel8x0 sound card :) |
| 03:50.03 | dli | Cyanophytes: anyway, did you enable onboard audio in bios? |
| 03:50.19 | AdamWeston | karsten its about all i know |
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| 03:50.30 | Cyanophytes | dli: what modules did you load for it. Sound card is on my motherboard |
| 03:50.38 | KirbyMeister | I'm going to guess that saying the words 'Mozilla Firefox' in a webcomic series is gonna get you in a lawsuit |
| 03:50.40 | AdamWeston | shockwave content i believe is created using macromedia director |
| 03:50.40 | green_earz | Cyanophytes: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html may help |
| 03:50.55 | karsten | AdamWeston: Thanks. There's no Shockwave player for Linux best I can tell. |
| 03:50.58 | dli | Cyanophytes: just intel8x0 in kernel |
| 03:51.00 | AdamWeston | it used to be more advanced than flash as far as embedded video and such |
| 03:51.04 | dondelelcaro | KirbyMeister: probably not, because it's most likely fair use. |
| 03:51.14 | Cyanophytes | ok thanks |
| 03:51.19 | dli | Cyanophytes: that's why I think it's a hardware issue there, check bios anyway |
| 03:51.29 | nite_fly | i got the drive mounted but the directories dont look right |
| 03:51.33 | AdamWeston | kirby: i saw thunderbird mentioned in one the other day |
| 03:51.34 | dli | Cyanophytes: did you plug in the speakers correctly? |
| 03:52.01 | Cyanophytes | dli: they are the same way they where when I used windows |
| 03:52.02 | KirbyMeister | dondelelcaro: Oh... Because, I wrote a short story for English, and I said the words 'Debian GNU/Linux, Mozilla Firefox, and OpenOffice.org' in the story. I was planning on posting that story to the internet. |
| 03:52.06 | AdamWeston | karsten you likely wont miss anything without shockwave player |
| 03:52.10 | nite_fly | when i do dmesg how can i make it doo like more ? |
| 03:52.19 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: on the other hand, a perverted form of strawberry shortcake apparently isn't |
| 03:52.26 | dli | Cyanophytes: did you dmesg say anything ? |
| 03:52.32 | karsten | AdamWeston: Well, I miss little enough w/o Flash. |
| 03:52.39 | jasonf | asuffield: it is protected, but just penny arcade didn't have the $$$ to fight it |
| 03:52.44 | dli | Cyanophytes: intel8x0 is quite easy :( I got several of them here :( |
| 03:52.47 | karsten | AdamWeston: What I've discovered in the past week is a CSS flash "click to play" trick. |
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