| 00:00.07 | ericP | shadow98, unless you specifically want it to be ext2, you may as well (umount /dev/sdb1 && tune2fs -j /dev/sdb1 && mount /dev/sdb1) |
| 00:00.39 | abrotman | WiFiTux: i could have stayed for breakfast .. but i don't really sleep during the day .. and i would have had to wait for them to wake up(they were still drinking) |
| 00:01.22 | WiFiTux | abrotman, ahhh... This was my roughest 31... |
| 00:01.46 | abrotman | drrr .. ok |
| 00:01.54 | WiFiTux | :/ |
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| 00:02.21 | SilverSpurG | is taunting wrong? |
| 00:02.36 | WiFiTux | taunting? |
| 00:02.40 | WiFiTux | !dict taunting |
| 00:02.46 | SilverSpurG | WiFiTux: Yes. Taunting. |
| 00:02.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'taunting' (2 shown; 6 total): When I had at my pleasure taunted her. --Shak. ;; Taunt \Taunt\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Taunted; p. pr. & vb. n. Taunting.] [Earlier, to tease; probably fr. OF. tanter to tempt, to try, for tenter. See Tempt.] To reproach with severe or insulting words; to revile; to upbraid; to jeer at; to flout.. |
| 00:02.58 | shadow98 | how do i check what filesystem it is |
| 00:03.05 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: taunting who? |
| 00:03.21 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: does it matter? the question is... is taunting wrong? |
| 00:03.30 | abrotman | if it's your little brother .. no .. |
| 00:03.35 | abrotman | on IRC.. probably |
| 00:03.42 | cnorton | I have a laptop with a docing station |
| 00:03.50 | WiFiTux | docing? |
| 00:03.57 | DarknessX | docking? |
| 00:03.58 | shadow98 | ericp: how do i check what filesystem it is |
| 00:03.59 | cnorton | how do I tell my kernel to "see" the nic in the docing stattion? |
| 00:04.02 | cnorton | docking ye |
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| 00:04.16 | abrotman | cnorton: linux-laptop.net ... look for a hint there |
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| 00:04.18 | ericP | shadow98, try different types |
| 00:04.22 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: if taunting is wrong, why would it be wrong... is tauntin wrong because it breeds violence? |
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| 00:04.44 | ericP | shadow98, though frequently mounting it wihtout a type will let mount guess for you |
| 00:04.45 | DarknessX | shadow98: what sort of device is it? |
| 00:04.49 | WiFiTux | cnorton, probably you need to boot in the DS and then check, the PNP dunno will work. |
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| 00:04.55 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: i'm not sure the situation .. kind of hard to be violent on IRC :) |
| 00:05.07 | jethro | SilverSpurG: because someone said thou shall not taunt on IRC |
| 00:05.15 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: agreed. so what would be the proper response to taunting on IRC? |
| 00:05.18 | cnorton | WiFiTux ye that is what I did |
| 00:05.20 | WiFiTux | SilverSpurG, #freenode will let you know. :) |
| 00:05.27 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: talk to the chanop i suppose |
| 00:05.32 | SilverSpurG | WiFiTux: I'm not there. I'm asking you. |
| 00:05.39 | WiFiTux | cnorton, then linux-laptop.net |
| 00:05.50 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: chanops can taunt. why is taunting wrong? |
| 00:06.01 | WiFiTux | SilverSpurG, taunting as what I just read is not necessary, why use violence? |
| 00:06.01 | resuDaed | hi, just wondering if anyone knows where (and how) you would specify an nfs root when booting from syslinux (pxe/tftp etc) |
| 00:06.06 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: you're gonna have to be a bit more specific i think |
| 00:06.28 | WiFiTux | resuDaed, /etc/fstab? dunno what you are asking. |
| 00:06.30 | SilverSpurG | WiFiTux: There is no violence. That was a suggestion. What is the proper response to taunting? |
| 00:06.33 | z0unds- | can i somehow install netfilter without having to recompile the kernel? |
| 00:06.43 | WiFiTux | SilverSpurG, /ignore? |
| 00:06.49 | jethro | SilverSpurG: packeting |
| 00:06.54 | SilverSpurG | WiFiTux: ignorance is the answer to nothing. |
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| 00:06.59 | abrotman | z0unds-: modules |
| 00:07.08 | SilverSpurG | jethro: hehee. I Have a list... |
| 00:07.10 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: it's not ignorance .. it's ignoring |
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| 00:07.16 | WiFiTux | SilverSpurG, is the answer for trolls. |
| 00:07.18 | z0unds- | abrotman: do you know a howto? |
| 00:07.24 | resuDaed | WiFiTux : I am setting up a diskless workstation, just wondering how you specify root=<nfs-path> |
| 00:07.25 | abrotman | z0unds-: netfilter.org |
| 00:07.26 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: ignorance is the answer to nothing. |
| 00:07.26 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 00:07.26 | dpkg | well, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.samba.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help |
| 00:07.28 | shadow98 | hmm |
| 00:07.40 | jethro | SilverSpurG: ignoring is tho |
| 00:07.43 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: ignorance is different than ignoring |
| 00:07.47 | WiFiTux | resuDaed, I think in the install there is some of that info... |
| 00:07.56 | SilverSpurG | jethro: ignore == ignorance |
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| 00:08.00 | abrotman | no |
| 00:08.00 | shadow98 | i just wanted to make sure it was ext3 because that is what i put in fstab |
| 00:08.03 | jethro | no |
| 00:08.06 | WiFiTux | !masq |
| 00:08.06 | abrotman | !dict ignorance |
| 00:08.06 | dpkg | i heard masq is See: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L, or >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html << url has changed |
| 00:08.07 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: hww so? |
| 00:08.08 | dpkg | Dictionary 'ignorance' (3 shown; 4 total): Ignorance \Ig"no*rance\, n. [F., fr. L. ignorantia.] 1. The condition of being ignorant; the want of knowledge in general, or in relation to a particular subject; the state of being uneducated or uninformed. ;; the lack of knowledge or education ;; 2. (Theol.) A willful neglect or refusal to acquire knowledge which one may acquire and it is his duty to have. --Book of Common Prayer.. |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | !dict ignore |
| 00:08.10 | dpkg | Dictionary 'ignore' (3 shown; 9 total): give little or no attention to; "Disregard the errors" ;; 3. Hence: To refuse to take notice of; to shut the eyes to; not to recognize; to disregard willfully and causelessly; as, to ignore certain facts; to ignore the presence of an objectionable person. ;; refuse to acknowledge; "She cut him dead at the meeting". |
| 00:08.13 | jethro | SilverSpurG: saying that means you're an ignorant :) |
| 00:08.39 | SilverSpurG | jethro: ignoring someone means I"m ignorant of their presence. ignorance solves nothing. |
| 00:08.42 | jethro | SilverSpurG: still you're not *yet* ignored |
| 00:08.47 | WiFiTux | z0unds-, you need the kernel support. |
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| 00:08.55 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: actually .. you're not ignorant of thier presence |
| 00:09.01 | WiFiTux | wasn't I leaving? /me closes the lid |
| 00:09.06 | abrotman | WiFiTux: later |
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| 00:09.30 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: for a moment, just one moment, accept that /ignore is ignorance. how would you deal with taunting? |
| 00:09.30 | smacnay | To add a dvd player to a machine where it replaces a functioning ATAPI cdrom drive, are there any kernel modules needed? |
| 00:09.39 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: talk to the chanop |
| 00:09.50 | The_Vulture | smacnay: not in my experience |
| 00:09.51 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: what if the chanop is the perpetrator? |
| 00:09.51 | abrotman | and if it is a chanop .. talk to another chanop |
| 00:10.03 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: there are no other chanops. |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: why don't you just give specifics |
| 00:10.13 | jethro | SilverSpurG: you are off topic, let's discuss that poin somewhere else |
| 00:10.20 | smacnay | The_Vulture: do I need the kernel option CD-ROM/DVD Filesystems? |
| 00:10.27 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: because it wouldn't matter. |
| 00:10.34 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: talk to the network operator then |
| 00:10.41 | dangerobby | I just created a new kernel (2.4.18) and now I can't boot up - the kernel can't mount the root. any ideas? it's saying bad superblock, and that the partition table is unknow |
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| 00:10.45 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: if you're not going to be more specific . use /ignore and be done |
| 00:10.58 | dvs | dangerobby: the root= option is wrong. |
| 00:11.04 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: they don't know me... and they don't care. they're not the subject of the taunt. |
| 00:11.12 | abrotman | then /ignore |
| 00:11.15 | The_Vulture | smacnay: can't say I'd know, I don't build my own kernels |
| 00:11.15 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: undernet #chemistry |
| 00:11.19 | smacnay | The_Vulture: that was not an option - as I found - just a heading for a selection of options. |
| 00:11.23 | scarynetworkguy | dangerobby: Welcome to initrd hell. |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: then leave the channel |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: or ignore the person |
| 00:11.39 | dvs | scarynetworkguy: That's ever worse. |
| 00:11.47 | smacnay | The_Vulture: maybe my issues are a lack of any css stuff on my system. I do not seem to see libdvdcss anywhere. |
| 00:11.59 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: why should I succumb to taunting? The topic is "why is taunting wrong". Not "why am I in #chemistry" |
| 00:12.00 | The_Vulture | smacnay: what _is_ your issue? |
| 00:12.02 | scarynetworkguy | dvs: No he is there. He needs to get out of it. By building a proper kernel. |
| 00:12.04 | _netic_ | hi there. sorry for probably stupid question but why is it that when i do: "apt-cache show kate" i see it's version is "Version: 4:3.2.2-1" and when i run kate and do Help->About kate it tels me it's version is 2.2.1 . i did "apt-get update" and |
| 00:12.11 | _netic_ | "apt-get upgrade" |
| 00:12.11 | jethro | SilverSpurG: nobody gives a rat butt how insulted you feel by kids on some stupid IRC channel, if you're so affected you should probably stop your IRC client and go have a walk outside |
| 00:12.12 | dangerobby | dvs: wrong in LILO.CONF? it's set to /dev/hda1 which should be right |
| 00:12.18 | The_Vulture | smacnay: if you want to play encrypted DVDs you'll have to go find libdvdcss, yes.. |
| 00:12.19 | smacnay | The_Vulture: I can't play a simple dvd. |
| 00:12.20 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: seriously .. ask your teacher |
| 00:12.34 | smacnay | The_Vulture: maybe that is it. Thanks for the help. |
| 00:12.35 | dvs | dangerobby: Actually, I think scarynetworkguy is right. Are you using initrd? |
| 00:12.35 | The_Vulture | it's not too hard to find if you read the READMEs for xine or whatever player you use, etc.. |
| 00:12.36 | SilverSpurG | jethro: okay. valid point. at least you're using your head. |
| 00:12.39 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: just ignore the person |
| 00:12.51 | scarynetworkguy | _netic_: Go read about .deb naming schemes. |
| 00:13.18 | dangerobby | dvs: I assume so. how do I know? I couldn't find any mention of initrd when I was compiling the kernel |
| 00:13.26 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: then you let him get to you .. /ignore would have let you not be pissed .. |
| 00:13.33 | _netic_ | scarynetworkguy: could you pass a link or some source? |
| 00:13.42 | dvs | dangerobby: Are you using make-kpkg to make the kernel? |
| 00:13.52 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: possibly... but shouldn't the gods of *NIX be interested in the wrongs of "taunting"? |
| 00:13.59 | dangerobby | yeah I am |
| 00:14.04 | scarynetworkguy | _netic_: http://www.debian.org. The new maintainers guide should explain it. |
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| 00:14.22 | dangerobby | dvs: you think I should go without it? |
| 00:14.26 | _netic_ | scarynetworkguy: :-) thanks |
| 00:14.30 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: well .. right now .. i don't care .. if you're that concerned .. find an IRC ethics website |
| 00:14.31 | dvs | dangerobby: If you didn't specify the --initrd option, you're not using initrd. And I suspect the initrd= line is still in the lilo.conf |
| 00:14.37 | abrotman | !nm |
| 00:14.37 | dpkg | methinks nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 00:14.49 | z0unds- | abrotman: netfilter.org dosnt say anything about setting netfilter up with modules? |
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| 00:15.05 | abrotman | z0unds-: then install the docs in debian |
| 00:15.06 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: valid response. To admit that you don't care. May your life be dominated by people who taunt you. :) |
| 00:15.38 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: such as you're doing now? |
| 00:15.47 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: ??? |
| 00:16.10 | Phated | SilverSpurG: If you behave like this on that channel as well, I can only say that they're probably justified. |
| 00:16.13 | dangerobby | dvs: what does the initrd line usually look like in lilo.conf? also, is it a good idea to use initrd? what's the feeling? |
| 00:16.22 | SilverSpurG | Pnated: I'm sorry. What is the issue? |
| 00:16.38 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: well .. we've told you that you were offtopic .. and you kept demanding a response .. that's kind of taunting/irritating |
| 00:16.39 | PerfDave | !initrd |
| 00:16.39 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
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| 00:16.46 | MobyTurbo | SilverSpurG: what does all this talk about taunting belong on #debian? Please take it elsewhere. |
| 00:16.51 | scarynetworkguy | Damn straight. |
| 00:16.54 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: you're so far offtopic you have no idea |
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| 00:17.05 | dvs | dangerobby: The initrd line starts with "initrd=/initrd..." You need it only if you don't know what kernel modules you need. |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | and i have entertained the conversation long enough |
| 00:17.29 | Phated | 1) Bringing up something completely unrelated. Solution: Talk to an op on Undernet. 2) Being offended by people on IRC. Solution: Get off IRC. 3) Having a really bad idea of ignore vs. ignorance. Solution: Go read a dictionary. |
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| 00:17.59 | SilverSpurG | hehehe. you're all power drunk trolls. |
| 00:18.07 | abrotman | see .. now you're trolling |
| 00:18.24 | Phated | Indeed, but you're an offtopic, thin-skinned, insulting one. |
| 00:18.48 | SilverSpurG | Pnated: there is no law against being thin-skinned. as for insulting... if the shoe fits... |
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| 00:18.59 | jethro | !lart SilverSpurG |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: now you're taunting Phated and being irritating in general |
| 00:19.10 | SilverSpurG | !lart jethro? |
| 00:19.30 | MobyTurbo | SilverSpurG: don't be an asshole |
| 00:19.32 | Phated | SilverSpurG: Oh no, no, nothing against being thin-skinned. Now if you want to insult people, hey, go ahead, we're doing it too. |
| 00:19.37 | moshii | ouch, dpkg does evil biddings! |
| 00:19.43 | abrotman | let's all just /ignore SilverSpurG .. problem solved |
| 00:19.50 | dangerobby | dvs: doesn't seem to be an initrd line in lilo.conf. hmmm |
| 00:19.53 | jethro | yeah let's all get ignorant |
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| 00:20.00 | abrotman | jethro: you're so ignant! |
| 00:20.02 | fusion | anyone who fights on irc needs to get out more :P\ |
| 00:20.13 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: easy enough. :) I agree that /ignore is the solution. |
| 00:20.13 | idnar | Please, don't feed the troll. |
| 00:20.23 | Phated | Aww but it's fun. |
| 00:20.25 | abrotman | !feed phaethon |
| 00:20.29 | jim_o | i'm trying to compile WLAN wireless driver and i get and got an error "make[2]: ngcc: Command not found" |
| 00:20.30 | abrotman | drrr .. oh well |
| 00:20.39 | SilverSpurG | see... so taunting is fun... that is why taunting is not wrong. taunting is fun. |
| 00:20.43 | RolandU | how do I make xdm my default login-manager? |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | !tell jim_o about search |
| 00:20.54 | Phated | Either can't spell, or can't tab-complete. What is with you people today, hm? |
| 00:20.57 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: shut up before you get forced to |
| 00:20.57 | dvs | dangerobby: The other reason is that you didn't specify ext2 as part of the kernel. |
| 00:21.12 | Phated | See, it's not wrong. Now get out of our channel. |
| 00:21.16 | jim_o | search? |
| 00:21.19 | Infohawk | RolandU: update-alternatives? |
| 00:21.37 | dangerobby | dvs: I'm certain I did, but I guess I could try again |
| 00:21.44 | dvs | dangerobby: Worth a look. |
| 00:21.45 | RolandU | Infohawk: ?? |
| 00:22.23 | Infohawk | RolandU: it's a command |
| 00:22.37 | moshii | RolandU: update-alternatives is used to switch the default xterm etc... I think you can select xdm as the default display manager with dpkg-reconfigure xdm however |
| 00:22.38 | Phated | The only thing taunting about that is that he hasn't seen fit to spell my name so that it gets highlighted. |
| 00:22.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:22.53 | scarynetworkguy | Nice. |
| 00:22.53 | abrotman | he so ignant! |
| 00:22.55 | RolandU | Infohawk: "update-alternatives?" |
| 00:23.12 | RolandU | ah, without the question mark |
| 00:23.13 | MobyTurbo | Phated: maybe he needs a new perscription on his glasses, or another kind of new perscription for that matter. |
| 00:23.18 | Infohawk | RolandU: Infohawk: "update-alternatives?" ? |
| 00:24.02 | Phated | MobyTurbo: I say 50 cc or Prozac, stat! Arsenic wouldn't be bad either. |
| 00:24.18 | Phated | Weee! |
| 00:24.22 | scarynetworkguy | 9 grams of lead. |
| 00:24.29 | scarynetworkguy | Is just what he needs. |
| 00:24.35 | Phated | Now is this really supposed to be -threatening- to me in any way? |
| 00:24.39 | dvs | scarynetworkguy: No, uranium |
| 00:25.00 | SilverSpurG | no. it's just a taunt. it's fun. and, according to you, it's acceptable. |
| 00:25.05 | RolandU | Infohawk: and what do I have to enter? |
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| 00:25.23 | jim_o | i found a newsgroup posting that said ngcc command looking for the compiler? ... they suggested symbolicly linking it to gcc |
| 00:25.37 | Phated | Well, yes. It's perfectly normal and acceptable, so why did you come in a completely unrelated channel to fuss about it then? |
| 00:25.46 | moshii | jim_o: have you got build_essential installed at least? |
| 00:25.47 | jethro | he just needs to grow up and/or stfu, and you should actually stop going on with him |
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| 00:25.57 | Phated | Ohhh, or maybe you WERE on #chemistry on undernet and was an op and got kicked for "taunting"! |
| 00:26.01 | SilverSpurG | Phated: I only wanted to hear the opinions of other about taunting. |
| 00:26.03 | scarynetworkguy | Because he has drunk way too much stupid water? |
| 00:26.03 | moshii | s/build_essential/build-essential |
| 00:26.17 | Phated | SilverSpurG: Go ask #politics. Get out of #debian. |
| 00:26.28 | AdrianLP | Anyone know if kdevelop in Testing is borked? I upgraded, and now I get `g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus)`, although perhaps its local to g++ only. |
| 00:26.35 | jim_o | moshii ... what is build_essential |
| 00:26.53 | SilverSpurG | No, actually I got kicked for saying "Morrissey was the shit!" in reference to the the awesome pix maker for Lords in the C=64 days. |
| 00:27.08 | bucky | jim_o, /join #wireless and see if we can help you there |
| 00:27.09 | jethro | jim_o: it's build-essential and you can apt-cache show build-essential for information about the package |
| 00:27.10 | SilverSpurG | and I'm contesting the legitimacy of a "bad word" kick ban. |
| 00:27.29 | The_Vulture | SilverSpurG: depends on the channel, if they want to have that as their policy that's up to them |
| 00:27.35 | The_Vulture | it's perfectly legitimate |
| 00:27.39 | moshii | jim_o: build-essential is a meta package that'll install the minimal amount of packages you need to build stuff from source |
| 00:27.41 | Phated | Then you a) didn't observe rules about vulgarity in your channel, and b) asked about completely thr wrong thing. "Taunting" does not equate to "bad word ban". |
| 00:27.53 | Phated | s/hr/he/ |
| 00:27.58 | The_Vulture | what Phated said |
| 00:28.01 | idis | guys I've got a hotplug question: is it possible to "cold-unplug" some usb equipment easily through emulation events? |
| 00:28.01 | abrotman | and wwas offtopic |
| 00:28.04 | scarynetworkguy | Indeed. |
| 00:28.07 | SilverSpurG | The_Vulture: It is my duty, as an honest human being, to depose an op on #chemistry who has no knowledge of chemistry. |
| 00:28.09 | Phated | What abrotman said. |
| 00:28.10 | jim_o | i on the dark side off the force ... fedora. can't apt-get |
| 00:28.18 | greycat | then you're in the wrong channel. |
| 00:28.25 | abrotman | unless morrissey got a PhD in chemistry |
| 00:28.36 | moshii | jim_o: yeah, being in debian might make you look just a little bit silly then |
| 00:28.36 | The_Vulture | SilverSpurG: I don't see how that relates at all to what you just said |
| 00:28.41 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: shut the hell up and go away |
| 00:28.42 | SilverSpurG | Morrissey did. :) |
| 00:28.43 | pmwilson | i'm getting a lilo error i can't understand: "Fatal: Setup length exceeds 31 maximum; kernel setup will overwrite boot loader" anyone know what this means? what is the Setup length? |
| 00:28.44 | Phated | It is also your duty to respect the rules of the channel. |
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| 00:28.48 | bucky | jim_o, you're in the wrong channel.. this is debian |
| 00:29.06 | bucky | jim_o, you watching the fiesta bowl tonight? |
| 00:29.12 | scarynetworkguy | And to stop being a fucktard here. |
| 00:29.14 | SilverSpurG | pmwilson: rtfm? heheh... sorry bud. I've never seen that. |
| 00:29.17 | Phated | If the channel says no swearing, you don't swear in the channel. You get kicked for it, you don't whine to another channel, breaching even -more- channel rules in the process. |
| 00:29.24 | pmwilson | SilverSpurG: i've looked. |
| 00:29.26 | jim_o | the debian channel has the smart people |
| 00:29.30 | SilverSpurG | Phated: it sa6s no such thing. |
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| 00:29.40 | abrotman | pmwilson: how many lilo entries? |
| 00:29.48 | SilverSpurG | pmwilson: best of luck, bud. |
| 00:29.49 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: shut the hell up and go away |
| 00:30.00 | bucky | jim_o, that's why we don't use fedora :p |
| 00:30.02 | Phated | SilverSpurG: Why not? If you get kicked on a channel for swearing, the channel has something against swearing. Now do what abrotman said. |
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| 00:30.08 | idis | do not feed the troll |
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| 00:30.16 | jim_o | good one bucky |
| 00:30.18 | pmwilson | abrotman: well... i was putting in the 4th... but i tried getting rid of 1, so its' back down to 3... still doesn't work i'll get rid of another and try that |
| 00:30.23 | moshii | jim_o: indeed ^^.. but debian users won't be able to tell how to operate another distro |
| 00:30.27 | abrotman | pmwilson: google said nothing? |
| 00:30.33 | bucky | jim_o, /join #wireless and see if we can help you there |
| 00:30.45 | jim_o | not really a distro issue, i don't think |
| 00:30.46 | SilverSpurG | Phated: It was a 'bot kick. I attempted to chat sanely with the chanop who owns the bot, but they changed their nick and fled. What should I read from that but taunting? |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: better yet .. /exec -o dpkg -l libc6 |
| 00:30.57 | bucky | jim_o, it is here |
| 00:31.06 | bucky | and you got your answer already |
| 00:31.14 | jethro | !lart abrotman |
| 00:31.15 | bucky | you don't have gcc install |
| 00:31.16 | pmwilson | i got a bunch of people complaining about the error, but none of the responses said anything about it, they just told the people to change/fix their lilo.conf b/c of something else |
| 00:31.16 | jim_o | bucky ... #wireless on debian? |
| 00:31.19 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: http://home.comdast.net/~silverspurg/ |
| 00:31.19 | The_Vulture | SilverSpurG: taunting has nothing to do with that.. |
| 00:31.23 | Phated | SilverSpurG: You should just read more. You obviously don't have enough vocabulary to know what "taunting" is. |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: so what? |
| 00:31.29 | The_Vulture | what Phated said.. again |
| 00:31.32 | abrotman | i dont' want to see any website |
| 00:31.35 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: shut the hell up and go away |
| 00:31.50 | Phated | The_Vulture: Stop being lazy and actually repeat it, he needs the driving in. :) |
| 00:31.56 | bucky | jim_o, #wireless on irc.freenode.net - /join #wireless |
| 00:32.00 | SilverSpurG | Phated: Taunting may be passive or active irregardless of whatever dictionary you feel like citing. |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: shut the hell up and go away |
| 00:32.07 | The_Vulture | Phated: touche |
| 00:32.19 | abrotman | jethro: why? |
| 00:32.20 | jim_o | thanks bucky |
| 00:32.30 | The_Vulture | SilverSpurG: what they did is not taunting, they banned you for breaking the rules, they are well within their rights to do so then ignore you |
| 00:32.34 | moshii | You guys do realise that if you don't say anything he/she is more likely to go away don't you? |
| 00:32.34 | bucky | yup |
| 00:32.35 | Phated | SilverSpurG: Yes, but you don't know what taunting is. Anyway he probably fled because he was sick of you and your holier-than-thou attitude. |
| 00:32.39 | jethro | because you just feed the troll and advising /exec -o isn't very nice |
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| 00:32.55 | scarynetworkguy | SilverSpurG: So what. Are you 3 or something? Get the fuck over it and stop wasting time and energy. That also was not taunting by any defination of the word. |
| 00:32.58 | dafen | anyone uses Vmware for linux? |
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| 00:33.05 | moshii | dafen: yup |
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| 00:33.10 | Phated | jethro: You might read and see what kind of command he was told to execute. |
| 00:33.11 | abrotman | jethro: if he's not running debian .. then he has 0 business here |
| 00:33.14 | dafen | I wonder how to copy the virtue win2k files out to my linux filesystem |
| 00:33.18 | SilverSpurG | The_Vulture: The "rules" are not published anywhere. And banning me from other channels to avoid the conversationa bout the "bad word ban" is certainly taunting. |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | jethro: if he's not running debian .. then he has 0 business here |
| 00:33.22 | MobyTurbo | SilverSpurG: this channel is #debian, not #taunting. Go away or get on topic NOW |
| 00:33.26 | wintix | is there a way to watch another terminal? |
| 00:33.34 | The_Vulture | SilverSpurG: and I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as passive taunting, taunting is by definition actively harassing and criticisng someone |
| 00:33.46 | SilverSpurG | MobyTurbo: I'm not the only one buying into it. :) |
| 00:33.48 | idis | !wayttd wintix ? |
| 00:33.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, wintix? |
| 00:33.49 | moshii | dafen: you can access your host machine via windows networking in the guest .. it's in the docs |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: shut the hell up and go away |
| 00:33.56 | justin | SilverSpurG: you meant regardless |
| 00:34.00 | The_Vulture | SilverSpurG: no, it's what you do when you have a bad word ban.. you ban people who say bad words, you don't then unban them so they can discuss it |
| 00:34.05 | dafen | well.... I c an't access to my virtue machine. |
| 00:34.06 | jethro | abrotman: Phated it's not a problem of command it's just that he won't stop until everyone stops going on with him so please don't feed the troll that's all.. he appears to be to short on brain cells to stop it, prove you aren't |
| 00:34.07 | SilverSpurG | abrotman: you're an angry and unfortunate fellow. |
| 00:34.18 | dafen | so I doubt if you can mount the win2k partition |
| 00:34.30 | abrotman | SilverSpurG: shut the hell up and go away |
| 00:34.35 | MobyTurbo | !ops |
| 00:34.35 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM PLEASE. :) |
| 00:34.42 | helix | MobyTurbo: ? |
| 00:34.43 | moshii | dafen: you want to get the files from vmwares disk files? |
| 00:34.48 | dafen | yep |
| 00:34.49 | abrotman | helix: SilverSpurG .. please |
| 00:34.52 | helix | MobyTurbo: do you see the part where it says EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM PLEASE |
| 00:34.54 | karsten | !seen mwilson |
| 00:34.54 | dpkg | mwilson is currently on #debian (8d 9h 28m 1s). Has said a total of 14752 messages. Is idling for 9h 40m 32s |
| 00:34.58 | MobyTurbo | helix: SilverSpurG |
| 00:34.58 | The_Vulture | helix: the problem is SilverSpurG |
| 00:35.07 | helix | SilverSpurG: relax a little, thanks |
| 00:35.13 | moshii | dafen: there is a way of mounting the disk images... but it didn't work last time I tried :/ |
| 00:35.16 | bucky | beatle juice, beatle juice, beatle juice |
| 00:35.18 | SilverSpurG | I'm always the problem. *sheesh* You're all cop-outs |
| 00:35.20 | Phated | helix: Seriously, lastlog him. |
| 00:35.22 | abrotman | bucky: not even close |
| 00:35.27 | dvs | bucky: ha! |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | beetlejuice |
| 00:35.37 | dafen | arr.... my mouse doesn't work, so I can't do anything to that win2k |
| 00:35.38 | karsten | wintix: ttysnoop IIRC. Or screen. |
| 00:35.43 | The_Vulture | ignorance is sometimes truely blissful |
| 00:35.46 | dafen | but I have important files on it |
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| 00:35.54 | bucky | dam i did the incantation wrong |
| 00:35.56 | helix | umm, that's a lot of lastlog |
| 00:36.02 | dafen | so, moshii, you can't mount win2k via vmware? |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | we know |
| 00:36.20 | Phated | helix: Our tolerance has been higher than usual before !ops-ing. |
| 00:36.21 | scarynetworkguy | dafen: win2k can be run without a mouse. Now go do it. |
| 00:36.31 | helix | Phated: has it? I see a lot of "shut the hell up and go away" etc. |
| 00:36.37 | helix | how is that high tolerance? |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | helix: that's me |
| 00:36.40 | jethro | yreah that actually sucked |
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| 00:36.43 | helix | abrotman: yes, I know. |
| 00:36.46 | Phated | helix: Yeah that's just abrotman. :) |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | helix: after i had a lengthy conversation with him |
| 00:36.54 | scarynetworkguy | helix: It was going on for a long time before that. |
| 00:36.59 | helix | yeah, I know |
| 00:37.03 | moshii | dafen: you might be able to mount a win2k virtual disk, but you'll need NTFS support in your kernel, lot's of coffee.. |
| 00:37.10 | The_Vulture | abrotman: when you've given up, and you aren't an op it's best to just ignore the person in question rather than repeatedly telling them to leave |
| 00:37.12 | Infohawk | If gnome won't start properly in debian unstable, where can I look for the cause. Right now gdm starts but only loads the splashscreen and nothing else. |
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| 00:37.24 | abrotman | The_Vulture: i thought he might just leave .. |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | some people do |
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| 00:37.31 | wintix | karsten: ttysnoop is what i was looking for. thank you. |
| 00:37.49 | idis | abrotman: pls really ignore those |
| 00:37.51 | JoePenguin | wintix: happy snooping! :P |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | Infohawk: there should be an error file in your user dir .. or check /var/log/ for a gdm log file |
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| 00:38.01 | PerfDave | Infohawk: The BTS should always be your first port of call. |
| 00:38.08 | ugly | is nautilus-cd-burner the *only* GTK2 based CD burning frontend? |
| 00:38.25 | Phated | Why do you need GTK2? |
| 00:38.43 | abrotman | gtoaster |
| 00:38.47 | abrotman | dunno if it's gtk2 |
| 00:38.47 | ugly | I'm just curious |
| 00:38.47 | scarynetworkguy | And no it is not. Go look at p.d.o |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | gcombust |
| 00:39.00 | wintix | JoePenguin: i dont want to snoop other users. i only want to "share" a terminal via ssh without having to use screen |
| 00:39.00 | abrotman | gcdw |
| 00:39.06 | AdrianLP | When trying to upgrade with apt-get, I keep getting `E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly`. Ditto when trying to install some, but not all, packages. What can cause this? |
| 00:39.10 | ugly | abrotman: those are all gtk 1.2.x |
| 00:39.14 | abrotman | so cry |
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| 00:39.23 | moshii | AdrianLP: disk full? |
| 00:39.27 | abrotman | ugly: check .. uhm .. freshmeat |
| 00:39.28 | sbk | pmwilson: out of curiosity, what version of lilo is this? |
| 00:39.30 | Phated | Why is GTK2 essential to your CD-burning experience? |
| 00:39.36 | Pauliukas | Guys, is there a file that assigns the commands that are executed during bootup? |
| 00:39.41 | AdrianLP | moshii: Only 42% used on / |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | Phated: instead of like install k3b and the Qt crap |
| 00:39.51 | ugly | Phated: it's not - geez - I never said it was |
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| 00:39.59 | Phated | abrotman: What's wrong with GTK1.x? |
| 00:40.04 | idis | wintix: it's a shame to have "without using screen" because screen has an acl option which allows to share |
| 00:40.06 | abrotman | Phated: don't ask me .. ask him |
| 00:40.11 | AdrianLP | moshii: Interesting enough though, when I use `df`, the process hangs without ending. |
| 00:40.17 | Phated | ugly: Yes, but you are whinging about the fact that x burner is GTK1.x. |
| 00:40.22 | PerfDave | Bah, k3b is awesome :) |
| 00:40.35 | Phated | No argument. |
| 00:40.40 | ugly | Phated: please show me where I whined |
| 00:40.41 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah if you don't mind half a ton of KDE shite installed along with it. |
| 00:40.43 | abrotman | PerfDave: but you're english |
| 00:40.49 | jethro | Phated: he just asked for apps other then the nautilus one |
| 00:40.57 | ugly | Phated: I only asked if there were any gtk2 frontends |
| 00:41.00 | Phated | jethro: But said they had to be GTK2. |
| 00:41.00 | JoePenguin | wintix: oh ok. I remember being able to do that with an expect script called "kibitz", the came with the expect package. |
| 00:41.02 | moshii | AdrianLP: maybe it's trying to spin up a cd or something to check out it's free space .. you should have some output before apt pukes that'll tell you what has happened |
| 00:41.05 | Phated | ugly: Answer's no.\ |
| 00:41.11 | jethro | Phated: he asked for gtk2 based ones, so what? |
| 00:41.12 | ugly | Phated: see how easy that was? |
| 00:41.22 | Pauliukas | What's the file that executes commands at startup? |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | !init.d |
| 00:41.43 | dpkg | i heard init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See also update-rc.d and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit |
| 00:41.45 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: I don't, since I'm running all that KDE "shite" already :) |
| 00:42.01 | valdyn | ugly: there's 1-2 which look promising, none are even beta yet nor in debian unstable |
| 00:42.03 | wintix | JoePenguin: ok ill try it in the morning. going to bed now. |
| 00:42.05 | abrotman | fuck . it's getting late |
| 00:42.08 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: Yeah I know. Some of the rest of us would like to stay as far away from that as we can. |
| 00:42.15 | ugly | valdyn: ah |
| 00:42.16 | Phated | Heck, it's less shite than GNOME. |
| 00:42.25 | scarynetworkguy | Very true. |
| 00:42.36 | AdrianLP | moshii: I have no CD on this machine. Before apt croaks it says, `Do you want to continue? [Y/n]`, it dies right after confirmation to continue. |
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| 00:43.05 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, because of course what graphics widgets are running make so much difference compared to whether your application is any good. |
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| 00:43.13 | mono | hi |
| 00:43.32 | mono | im tring to make my modem work |
| 00:43.35 | pmwilson | will grub boot floppy images? lilo doesn't seem to handle all of them (i.e. i can throw memtest86 to lilo and it's happy, but not a dos boot disk image) |
| 00:43.41 | now3d_ | hi, I am thinking of switching to debian gnu/linux. Could someone tell me if there is an athlon64 version of debian please? |
| 00:43.55 | idis | PerfDave: I think i already heard that fallacious argument... |
| 00:43.56 | KirbyMeister | now3d_: Yes there is |
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| 00:43.58 | ugly | now3d_: not an official one |
| 00:43.59 | mono | where are this files?: device_release_driver get_device set_device?? |
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| 00:44.25 | PerfDave | now3d_: #debian-amd64 |
| 00:44.29 | now3d_ | KirbyMeister: hmm, ok |
| 00:44.43 | KirbyMeister | now3d_: just remember how to install and stuff, and remember to use sarge, not woody |
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| 00:45.00 | moshii | AdrianLP: mm, does it even start downloading packages? |
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| 00:45.38 | Scumbag | Hi everyone |
| 00:45.49 | Pauliukas | Hello Scumbag |
| 00:45.53 | AdrianLP | moshii: Not when I do `apt-get -f upgrade` after updating. But it does let me install some packages, and reinstall some. But on the odd package or two it seeems to get this error, including when upgrading. |
| 00:45.56 | Scumbag | I need to update my kernel... |
| 00:46.04 | Scumbag | It's the first time I'll be doing this |
| 00:46.13 | Scumbag | I need to update it to something > 2.4 |
| 00:46.26 | The_Vulture | Scumbag: what for? |
| 00:46.32 | PerfDave | Scumbag: Are you running Woody? |
| 00:46.33 | justin | Scumbag: does that mean to say that for some reason you installed a 2.2 kernel? |
| 00:46.35 | Phated | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.x-<arch>. |
| 00:46.41 | The_Vulture | justin: he said > not >= |
| 00:46.51 | Phated | Read what it says about initrd very carefully. |
| 00:47.00 | The_Vulture | assuming he understood what he said, that means he's after a 2.6 it seems |
| 00:47.03 | Scumbag | haha, no, I just have the stable version of debain |
| 00:47.35 | Scumbag | yep |
| 00:47.35 | idis | poor Scumbag, already 3 people around :-) |
| 00:47.35 | The_Vulture | Scumbag: why do you need to do that? |
| 00:47.35 | moshii | AdrianLP: try /msg dpkg bts .. it could be that the packages your trying to install/upgrade are broken |
| 00:47.35 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: 107 megs for a burner doesn't seem a bit on the bloated side to you? :D |
| 00:47.35 | PerfDave | Scumbag: Running a 2.6 kernel on Woody is tricky. /msg dpkg bunk2.6 |
| 00:47.37 | Scumbag | The nvidia driver with Woody won't work for kernels less than 2.4 |
| 00:47.49 | Scumbag | ok |
| 00:47.50 | The_Vulture | Scumbag: right, so you want a kernle >= 2.4 |
| 00:47.52 | PerfDave | scarynetworkguy: Not particularly. I've got plenty of RAM. |
| 00:47.52 | The_Vulture | not > 2.4 |
| 00:47.57 | Scumbag | yep =P |
| 00:47.59 | The_Vulture | so a plain 2.4 kernel would be fine, which woody has |
| 00:48.01 | Scumbag | hehe |
| 00:48.11 | PerfDave | Scumbag: apt-cache search kernel-image, pick a package and install one? |
| 00:48.12 | moshii | Scumbag: apt-cache search kernel-image ;) |
| 00:48.21 | Scumbag | OK, thanks! |
| 00:48.23 | Scumbag | =P |
| 00:48.27 | The_Vulture | one that matches yer architecture.. |
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| 00:48.57 | fusion | good luck with that.. |
| 00:49.02 | Kelt | can I flood an error message I'm getting with apt-get? |
| 00:49.05 | Kelt | in #flood |
| 00:49.13 | The_Vulture | Kelt: sure.. |
| 00:49.39 | Kelt | The_Vulture, did ya see that? |
| 00:49.41 | Kelt | I seem to be having some trouble with dependencies |
| 00:49.51 | Kelt | so I tried to install rmail... (one of the dependencies) |
| 00:50.26 | The_Vulture | Kelt: are you running a clean single-version (sid, sarge or woody, not a combination) of debian? |
| 00:50.35 | AdamWeston | after installing a package with dpkg, how can i get a list of the files installed and their locations? |
| 00:50.40 | Kelt | unstable The_Vulture |
| 00:50.50 | The_Vulture | AdamWeston: dpkg -L |
| 00:50.56 | moshii | AdamWeston: dpkg -L |
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| 00:51.48 | The_Vulture | Kelt: nothing from any other repositories? nothing from incoming? etc? |
| 00:51.48 | Kelt | well The_Vulture, it wants me to remove exim4 and install zmailer I believe |
| 00:52.31 | moshii | Kelt: if you're installing a different MTA you'll have to move the default one (exim) out of the way first |
| 00:52.50 | Kelt | yeah moshii, but I use mutt, and mutt is dependent on exim4 :( |
| 00:52.51 | The_Vulture | Kelt: I don't see any mention of exim4 or zmailer.. |
| 00:53.04 | Kelt | The_Vulture, I did a apt-get install rmail |
| 00:53.08 | Phated | No, mutt is dependent on mail-transport-agent. |
| 00:53.10 | The_Vulture | Kelt: and mutt just needs an MTA, not specifically exim4 |
| 00:53.13 | Kelt | and it told me what the broken dependency was |
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| 00:53.17 | The_Vulture | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libgnutls11 (>= 1.0.16), libidn11 (>= 0.5.2), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-1), libsasl2 (>= 2.1.19), exim4 | mail-transport-agent |
| 00:53.18 | Kelt | ah okay |
| 00:53.21 | Kelt | well that's good then |
| 00:53.31 | moshii | Kelt: reinstall mutt once you've fixed your mta ;) |
| 00:53.51 | moshii | Kelt: just don't purge mutt and everything will be fine ^^ |
| 00:53.57 | idis | moshii: why needing to remove all mtas before installing another one? |
| 00:54.12 | JoeSchmoe | If I just want to run Azureus or something, are Debian's java-clone packages complete and easy? Or should I just go to Sun? |
| 00:54.16 | scarynetworkguy | apt will usually uninstall the old one for you. |
| 00:54.18 | mono | where are this files?: device_release_driver get_device set_device?? |
| 00:54.23 | moshii | idis: I don't think you can have two MTA's on one system |
| 00:54.37 | Gathond | moshii: apt-get will remove the installed one before installing a new |
| 00:54.40 | idis | moshii: just like scarynetworkguy said, apt will do it |
| 00:54.45 | scarynetworkguy | moshii: Most times apt will sort that for you. It's pretty damn smart that way. |
| 00:54.54 | moshii | scarynetworkguy: yeah I know that ;) |
| 00:55.30 | AdamWeston | im having a little trouble installing vmware |
| 00:55.39 | idis | anyway, i really do everything through aptitude, after seeing the hell lot of arbitrary code in the _ia_ behind apt-get |
| 00:55.57 | AdamWeston | i was able to convert the .rpm to a .deb,and install the .deb with no errors |
| 00:56.16 | moshii | idis: the problem with aptitude is that it often goes on insane package removing sessions |
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| 00:56.26 | moshii | AdamWeston: use the tar.gz vmware distro |
| 00:56.33 | AdamWeston | but the last step is to run vmware-config.pl, and its throwing an error |
| 00:56.39 | JoeSchmoe | Is Kaffe a decent java replacement/clone ? |
| 00:56.47 | idis | moshii: I never had this, and keep a testing/unstable updated quite often |
| 00:56.53 | moshii | AdamWeston: tell it to install everything in /usr/local/ and it'll be fine |
| 00:57.04 | AdamWeston | how do i tell it that |
| 00:57.09 | dvs | JoeSchmoe: That's not what i've heard |
| 00:57.19 | k0nlied | I have a really slow (100Mhz, 32MB mem) machine and I was wondering what woudl be the most efficient distro/apps for using it as an internet-only machine. |
| 00:57.31 | simonrvn | JoeSchmoe: i'd use sablevm actually. it works |
| 00:57.42 | AdamWeston | using the deb it installed most under /usr/lib/ |
| 00:57.57 | AdamWeston | but the config script is looking for things in the wrong place |
| 00:57.58 | moshii | AdamWeston: when you run the installer from the tar.gz distro it'll ask you where to put its binaries .. tell it /usr/local/bin and it'll guess /usr/local/man for man pages etc |
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| 00:58.22 | moshii | AdamWeston: using alien on the rpm doesn't work |
| 00:58.28 | AdamWeston | ok ill try that |
| 00:58.31 | JoeSchmoe | OK I'll try sablevm |
| 00:58.37 | AdamWeston | i just had someone tell me it worked fine =/ |
| 00:58.54 | AdamWeston | @#$% |
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| 00:59.23 | moshii | AdamWeston: I could never get a working deb of it out of alien.. but the tar.gz installs and uninstalls fine |
| 00:59.37 | AdamWeston | whats the uninstall parameter for dpkg? |
| 00:59.56 | moshii | AdamWeston: making sure it goes in /usr/local will keep the rest of your system safe |
| 01:00.01 | moshii | AdamWeston: dpkg --remove |
| 01:00.07 | AdamWeston | thanks |
| 01:00.16 | PerfDave | !usrlocal |
| 01:00.16 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* compile it into /usr/local (normally with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local). Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: equivs |
| 01:00.20 | MobyTurbo | JoeSchmoe: I just use Sun's Java binaries and make a deb package out of them using java-package. Kaffe and SableVM have come a long ways, but they still have compatability problems |
| 01:00.44 | yacc | !equivs |
| 01:00.44 | dpkg | i heard equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell dpkg you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/* |
| 01:00.59 | simonrvn | sun doesn't make ppc java. and blackdown hasn't been updated for ppc is years |
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| 01:01.14 | PerfDave | !equivs =~ s/dpkg/apt/ |
| 01:01.15 | dpkg | OK, PerfDave |
| 01:01.21 | simonrvn | and ibm's is lacking in certain things |
| 01:01.24 | moshii | doesn't IBM have a PPC jre? |
| 01:01.38 | JoeSchmoe | MobyTurbo: I'll see how Sable works with Azureus. If it has problems I'll probably do that |
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| 01:02.05 | simonrvn | s/is/in/ |
| 01:02.21 | MobyTurbo | JoeSchmoe: I didn't know that you were using PPC. |
| 01:02.30 | sbk | pmwilson: do you mean, something like you have a floppy image on a disk, and you want to boot from that? |
| 01:02.40 | simonrvn | he mightn't be ;) |
| 01:02.42 | MobyTurbo | JoeSchmoe: I'd try IBM's java binaries then if sablevm doesn't work |
| 01:02.53 | pmwilson | sbk: well... i have an image file, and no floppy drive in the system |
| 01:02.59 | simonrvn | ibm's doesn't have a browser plugin |
| 01:03.06 | Jaxalot | I'm running Woody on a laptop. I believe there's a relatively simple way to upgrade to Sarge, but I'm not sure on it. Can anyone help? |
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| 01:03.14 | simonrvn | (but who really needs that anyway ;) |
| 01:03.18 | The_Vulture | !woody->sarge |
| 01:03.20 | sbk | pmwilson: gotcha. Well, I haven't tried it myself, but I believe it's worth a try. It looks like it might be able to do it |
| 01:03.26 | valdyn | JoeSchmoe: Azureus demands certain jre, no matter if sablevm worked or not, youd have to fix azureus's starter first |
| 01:03.29 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: use full bot name |
| 01:03.33 | pmwilson | sbk: where you would perhaps normally copy that image file to a floppy using dd, and then boot from the floppy. but lilo handles some of them just fine, and others...... not so much |
| 01:03.41 | simonrvn | The_Vulture: some bug in the '->' string parsing |
| 01:03.47 | The_Vulture | simonrvn: ah, odd |
| 01:03.48 | The_Vulture | thanks |
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| 01:03.52 | sbk | pmwilson: there's a "device' command you can use, which will treat an arbitary file like a device |
| 01:03.53 | simonrvn | np |
| 01:03.53 | The_Vulture | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 01:03.54 | dpkg | somebody said woody->sarge was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". This upgrade is not painless (yet). it is less painless, so there, or consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 afterwards if you're not confident with linux hardware management |
| 01:04.03 | The_Vulture | Jaxalot: ^ |
| 01:04.25 | Jaxalot | Okay, thanks. |
| 01:04.43 | sbk | pmwilson: so (perhaps) root (hd0,0) / device (fd0) /floppy.img / kernel (fd0)/vmlinuz |
| 01:04.48 | moshii | sbk: you mean like losetup? |
| 01:05.17 | sbk | moshii: yes, but directly from the bootloader |
| 01:05.18 | coywolf | my mouse wheel work without imwheel, do i still need to run imwheel ? |
| 01:05.33 | coywolf | my mouse wheel works without imwheel, do i still need to run imwheel for other reason? |
| 01:05.39 | sbk | pmwilson: um, this is a complete guess like I said :) but worth trying, I think |
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| 01:05.54 | AdamWeston | i used azureus with sun's jvm |
| 01:05.55 | coywolf | help |
| 01:06.01 | AdamWeston | i didnt like it though |
| 01:06.02 | Jaxalot | So where it says "deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main" I'd just change it to "deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main", is that correct? |
| 01:06.19 | moshii | Jaxalot: yup |
| 01:06.22 | AdamWeston | WAY too many "features", IMO |
| 01:07.07 | pmwilson | sbk: well... i'm trying to install grub, but its' acting a little funny... the kernel detects the only hard drive as hdc (b/c of its plugged in location)... but grub-install /dev/hdc says device not found... and mount says that hda is mounted, although it doesn't exist in dev (but it is still listed that way in fstab) |
| 01:07.17 | moshii | btlaunchmanycurse is all you need ;) |
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| 01:07.33 | sbk | pmwilson: yeah. grub-install is often too naive. It might be best to install it via the grub shell (/sbin/grub) |
| 01:07.55 | sbk | pmwilson: from the grub shell: "find /boot/grub/stage1" will tell the device string that grub likes to use |
| 01:08.17 | sbk | pmwilson: then, root (hdn,x) / setup (hdn) |
| 01:08.45 | pmwilson | sbk: hmm... "Error 15: File not found" i've never manually installed grub before, maybe i'm doing something wrong |
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| 01:09.14 | sbk | pmwilson: hm. Well, first -- do you have a /boot/grub directory with a bunch of *stage* files? |
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| 01:09.31 | hacim | dpkg is having troulbe configuring console-data because it depends on console-common which isn't configured yet, but if I try to configure console-common, it has a problem because console-data is not configured yet :p |
| 01:09.31 | dpkg | You are moron #33, hacim |
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| 01:09.50 | pmwilson | sbk: just /boot/grub/device.map |
| 01:09.54 | dondelelcaro | hacim: paste the output from dpkg into #flood |
| 01:10.33 | sbk | pmwilson: okay -- so step 1 is to copy all *stage* files from /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/* |
| 01:11.02 | sbk | pmwilson: it might be under /lib instead of /usr/lib -- dpkg -L grub ought to tell you where it put 'em |
| 01:11.02 | deadcat | oh god. i am under ssh attack AGAIN )= |
| 01:11.06 | dondelelcaro | hacim: dpkg --configure -a; paste the output of that. |
| 01:11.30 | pmwilson | sbk: done... |
| 01:11.43 | sbk | pmwilson: step 2 is to make a usable menu.lst configuration file, as /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 01:12.26 | pmwilson | sbk: find /boot/grub/stage1 now gives me (hd0,1) |
| 01:12.27 | fusion | how can I make dvd+rw-tools usable by normal users? |
| 01:12.44 | Jaxalot | The_Vulture: Now it can't find one or two of the URLs. |
| 01:12.48 | sbk | pmwilson: great -- so once you create your menu.lst, you'll be ready to setup |
| 01:12.56 | Jaxalot | The_Vulture: The non-US ones, specifically. |
| 01:13.14 | sbk | pmwilson: you can just "touch" it for now, if you don't want to deal with it. But, you'll need one to reboot :-) |
| 01:13.23 | pmwilson | sbk: i write the menu.lst manually, or is there a template? (the instructions showed running grub-install first.... ) |
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| 01:13.47 | pmwilson | sbk: ok, i touched it for now |
| 01:13.51 | sbk | pmwilson: I think grub-install tries to create one based on lilo (not sure of this) |
| 01:14.00 | moshii | fusion: setuid or change the permissions for the drive |
| 01:14.04 | sbk | pmwilson: okay. So in the grub shell, now run "root (hd0,1)" |
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| 01:14.26 | pmwilson | sbk: k |
| 01:14.27 | sbk | pmwilson: and then "setup (hd0)" -- this will put it in the MBR of (hd0) |
| 01:14.31 | The_Vulture | Jaxalot: *shrugs* paste your sources.list in #flood |
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| 01:15.05 | sbk | pmwilson: for your menu.list now, here's a quick one. You'll need to put in the right kernel options 'course |
| 01:15.14 | pmwilson | sbk: nice, ok... it finished now i just fix the menu.list ? |
| 01:15.22 | sbk | pmwilson: yep, that's it |
| 01:15.23 | Davidcc6_ | how i can send a open program like bithcx to backround? |
| 01:15.30 | Davidcc6_ | in shell |
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| 01:16.05 | sbk | pmwilson: so if your kernel is in (say) the first partation, your menu.lst would look like |
| 01:16.10 | simonm | Davidcc6_, ctrl-z, bg |
| 01:16.13 | sbk | pmwilson: title boot me |
| 01:16.18 | sbk | pmwilson: root (hd0,0) |
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| 01:16.31 | sbk | pmwilson: kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hdxx ... |
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| 01:16.43 | Davidcc6_ | simonm, but contro+z stop the program... i need the program working in background |
| 01:16.56 | sbk | pmwilson: you can add a "default 0" and "timeout 10" before all that |
| 01:16.56 | moshii | Davidcc6_: screen |
| 01:17.05 | Davidcc6_ | screen? |
| 01:17.11 | joujou | anyone using software mixing for sound in FC3 instead of ALSA? |
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| 01:17.26 | idis | Davidcc6_: ^Z stops, but bg reactivates |
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| 01:17.34 | markw | joujou: what's FC3? |
| 01:17.42 | dvs | !fedora |
| 01:17.42 | dpkg | somebody said fedora was Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information |
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| 01:17.49 | PerfDave | joujou: Probably over on #fedora :) |
| 01:17.52 | sbk | pmwilson: and going back to your original thought, say your floppy.img is sitting in the first partition, then (perhaps) something like |
| 01:18.00 | sbk | pmwilson: title floppy img |
| 01:18.02 | moshii | Davidcc6_: install and run screen... run bitchx in a screen and you can de-attach and re-attach to it later, from a different shell etc |
| 01:18.07 | joujou | yup wrong channel :-/ sorry |
| 01:18.16 | sbk | pmwilson: device (fd0) (hd0,0)/floppy.img |
| 01:18.22 | sbk | pmwilson: root (fd0) |
| 01:18.29 | sbk | pmwilson: kernel /vmlinuz ... etc |
| 01:18.36 | kbrooks | I have a problem! Ha ha, fooled you. I don't. |
| 01:18.45 | Jaxalot | The_Vulture: It's in #flood now. |
| 01:18.51 | sbk | pmwilson: could be completely wrong there :-) but hey, no guts no glory |
| 01:19.08 | pmwilson | sbk: should I just uninstall lilo? will installing kernel packages get confused about which to update? |
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| 01:19.39 | dvs | pmwilson: you can change /etc/kernel-img.conf to use grub |
| 01:19.55 | sbk | pmwilson: hm, good point. I don't know enough about how the scripts deal with updating bootloaders, but uninstalling lilo can't make anything worse as far as I can see |
| 01:20.22 | moshii | pmwilson: I'd remove lilo, you need to run update-grub with a new kernel install if you don't do the changes in the docs |
| 01:20.27 | pmwilson | sbk: awesome, thanks... i'll play with this some and hopefully i can get it to boot those floppy images. much appreciated. |
| 01:20.38 | The_Vulture | Jaxalot: not sure why you have ftp.us.debian.org AND debian.uchicargo.edu main sources, and duplicate non-US sources.. you can remove one of those sets for a start, probably just keep the debian.org sources |
| 01:20.43 | sbk | pmwilson: sure :-) let me know if that floppy thing works, I'm rather curious myself |
| 01:20.52 | pmwilson | moshii: k, thanks |
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| 01:20.58 | r3m | When i installed debian, my wireless card was not detected, but now that is done, i would like to tell some http and ftp site to apt, i need to launch back base-config or? |
| 01:21.02 | AlionkA | bye |
| 01:21.13 | pmwilson | you mean kernel-pkg.conf ? :o] |
| 01:21.31 | The_Vulture | r3m: apt-setup probably or just edit /etc/apt/sources.list manufally |
| 01:21.33 | dvs | pmwilson: No, /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 01:21.39 | pmwilson | hmm... i don't have a kernel-img.conf |
| 01:21.42 | r3m | thanks |
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| 01:22.37 | suspense | is there a prorgam in the debian repository which configures /etc/hosts ? |
| 01:22.47 | dvs | pmwilson: Can you do "man kernel-img.conf"? |
| 01:23.01 | AdamWeston | why would you need a program to do that |
| 01:23.11 | AdamWeston | answer2: gedit |
| 01:23.12 | moshii | suspense: it's pretty simple to do it by hand |
| 01:23.27 | toresbe | hah hah hah |
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| 01:23.32 | ardy | I did an apt-get' upgrade and now kde's icons have dissapeared and although the toolbars look like kde... the background resembals gnome now... wtf is going on??? |
| 01:23.42 | toresbe | I am truly an evil genious |
| 01:24.14 | toresbe | I am building a floppy disk dispenser |
| 01:24.14 | toresbe | with redundant array of floppy disks |
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| 01:24.23 | toresbe | s/dispenser/jukebox robot/ :| |
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| 01:24.43 | moshii | toresbe: the only place for floppies is a bin .. or a fire |
| 01:25.13 | idis | moshii: not yet, many of my laptops here know of debian because of floppies |
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| 01:25.29 | toresbe | moshii: A bin, eh...? Fire, eh....? /usr/local/bin/glxfire! ;) |
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| 01:25.49 | r3m | where is located all doc file in general? |
| 01:26.00 | suspense | moshii: I am 101% worn out from these errors. My arms hurt from stress - I just want this thing fixed =| |
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| 01:26.02 | PerfDave | r3m: /usr/share/doc/ |
| 01:26.04 | dondelelcaro | r3m: /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 01:26.06 | r3m | ty |
| 01:26.09 | toresbe | r3m: You will find happiness in /usr/share/doc |
| 01:26.14 | moshii | idis: floppies are painful, 9 out 10 times a floppy is fscked just before you need the data off of it |
| 01:26.29 | AdamWeston | suspense: so thats not just a clever name |
| 01:26.30 | z0unds- | i changed image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.28 and it boots 22 ?? why? |
| 01:26.36 | suspense | AdamWeston: hehe |
| 01:26.45 | moshii | suspense: what are your trying to do in hosts |
| 01:26.47 | dvs | z0unds-: rerun lilo |
| 01:26.49 | z0unds- | how? |
| 01:26.56 | Scumbag | Where's sources.list at? |
| 01:27.01 | dvs | z0unds-: su - /sbin/lilo |
| 01:27.07 | Tom- | Scumbag: /etc/apt/ |
| 01:27.11 | Scumbag | thanks |
| 01:27.21 | moshii | z0unds-: or correct your vmlinuz vmlinuz.old links |
| 01:27.22 | suspense | moshii: it is empty. It has to have what hosts usually has in it. And htere was a program which did it and I forgot its name |
| 01:27.26 | z0unds- | morten02:/usr/src/linux/linux-2.4.28# su - /sbin/lilo |
| 01:27.26 | z0unds- | Unknown id: /sbin/lilo |
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| 01:27.28 | Tom- | Scumbag: try "locate sources.list" also |
| 01:27.37 | dvs | z0unds-: su /sbin/lilo |
| 01:27.39 | airox | I have setup an ipsec vpn tunnel. It uses openswan. The log files say everything is correct. I can't ping the subnet at the other end of the vpn tunnel. Do i have to add some route ? |
| 01:27.46 | idis | moshii: what do you suggest then for a cd-rom-less laptop with no network booting option? |
| 01:27.48 | dvs | z0unds-: su -c "/sbin/lilo" |
| 01:27.51 | dvs | z0unds-: sorry |
| 01:28.04 | z0unds- | thanks |
| 01:28.12 | moshii | idis: a brick? an axe? |
| 01:28.34 | The_Vulture | idis: can it boot off a usb mass storage device? |
| 01:28.35 | Scumbag | I'm trying to get the kernel headers for 2.4.18-686, but it says "Something wicked happened when trying to access ftp.au.debian.org ..." |
| 01:28.39 | idis | moshii: noooo way... i keep my fanless, noiseless 386 DX33 |
| 01:28.45 | Scumbag | Do I need to chuck something into my sources.list ? |
| 01:28.54 | Tom- | Scumbag: Does your DNS work for other things? |
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| 01:28.56 | airox | idis: hehehe |
| 01:28.58 | Scumbag | yes |
| 01:29.01 | idis | The_Vulture: no usb back in 1995 |
| 01:29.12 | Scumbag | Should I try a new source? |
| 01:29.13 | The_Vulture | idis: what kind of input devices does your target system have? |
| 01:29.15 | airox | idis: parralel port ? |
| 01:29.18 | moshii | idis: is a real 386 still able to actually boot a current version of debian? |
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| 01:29.22 | Tom- | Scumbag: I dunno then. May as well |
| 01:29.32 | Tom- | Moshii: I have read that you need a 486 nowadays |
| 01:29.33 | Scumbag | Where would I find sources to add? |
| 01:29.40 | idis | moshii: sorry it's a 486, and it runs sarge/unstable |
| 01:29.48 | airox | :/ |
| 01:29.49 | Tom- | Scumbag: Just change ftp.au.debian.org to ftp.us.debian.org or something |
| 01:29.54 | Scumbag | thanks |
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| 01:29.58 | PerfDave | sarge/unstable? |
| 01:30.04 | user01 | isnt alsa better than oss? |
| 01:30.10 | moshii | idis: ah, I think there are issues running a modern kernel on a real 386 :/ |
| 01:30.19 | z0unds- | dvs: it wont boot now :P |
| 01:30.28 | AdamWeston | moshii, when you installed vmware, was it just make && make install, and then run the config.pl? |
| 01:30.31 | idis | airox: I used parralel port in the past, but it was too slooow |
| 01:30.35 | moshii | idis: I'd run netbsd on anything less than a pentium.. |
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| 01:30.42 | ThatGuy^ | I updated to unstable and lost my sound dreaded "/dev/dsp not found"whats up with that someone,please |
| 01:30.42 | AdamWeston | or more complicated than that? |
| 01:30.44 | Scumbag | Also, does it have to be marked as deb-src (at the start of the line?) and should it have "stable" at the end? |
| 01:31.05 | dvs | z0unds-: What does it do now? |
| 01:31.06 | user01 | it appears as if sarge automatically did oss instead of alsa... |
| 01:31.20 | Scumbag | I'm after 2.4.18-686, so I dunno if it's 'stable' or what... |
| 01:31.23 | moshii | AdamWeston: the install should have ran the vmware config script for you and build kernel modules .. if that went well you should be able to type vmware ^^ |
| 01:31.26 | idis | moshii: well, those machines are fine with a swirl painted on them, instead of the insane "designed for windows 95" |
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| 01:31.49 | AdamWeston | moshii i havent done it yet |
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| 01:32.17 | dawm | im stuck on an old debian install (woody) in console, whats the gnome package? |
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| 01:32.33 | dawm | i need to apt'd it |
| 01:32.52 | PerfDave | Scumbag: man sources.list |
| 01:32.52 | PerfDave | Scumbag: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 01:33.01 | moshii | AdamWeston: run the vmware install script in the vmware-distrib directory .. it'll install the binaries and them say stuff "I can't find modules ernel, Let's build some" and setup networking etc, and that's about it ;) |
| 01:33.16 | kaka | @find |
| 01:33.22 | kaka | @find ÇູÇÏÁö ¸»¾Æ¿ä |
| 01:33.25 | AdamWeston | ok |
| 01:33.30 | AdamWeston | so no make install |
| 01:33.41 | moshii | AdamWeston: sorry.. my Japanese input server seems to be killing normal input.. one moment |
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| 01:34.26 | dawm | whats the xfree86 package? |
| 01:34.29 | dawm | the name that is |
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| 01:34.51 | jintxo | xserver-xfree86, I believe |
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| 01:35.00 | ThatGuy^ | dawm: apt-cache search free86 |
| 01:35.00 | idis | dawm: xfree86 is the X server |
| 01:35.14 | dawm | apt says cannot find xfree86 |
| 01:35.26 | moshii | AdamWeston: you don't need to run make.. the tar.gz distro isn't source code |
| 01:35.27 | ThatGuy^ | dawm: apt-cache search xfree86 |
| 01:35.31 | dawm | ooh apt-cache |
| 01:35.31 | dawm | thanks |
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| 01:36.02 | AdamWeston | ok |
| 01:36.11 | moshii | AdamWeston: there should be a file called vmware-install.pl or something in the directory it extracts to, run that |
| 01:36.26 | ThatGuy^ | I have no sound since dist-upgrade to unstable "/dev/dsp not found" |
| 01:36.32 | Scumbag | "Couldn't stat source package list" |
| 01:36.41 | The_Vulture | ThatGuy^: so load the right modules for your sound device.. |
| 01:36.47 | The_Vulture | and/or use hotplug to do it for you |
| 01:36.59 | moshii | and maybe install the ALSA stuff |
| 01:37.00 | Scumbag | Is what I get when I try to apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-686 .... |
| 01:37.09 | ThatGuy^ | The_Vulture: I have all the modules loaded |
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| 01:37.20 | idis | is it possible to have hotplug rmmod modules? |
| 01:38.00 | moshii | idis: the driver for my wireless card seems to be unloaded when I pop it out .. |
| 01:38.39 | idis | moshii: and is it possible to "emulate" the pop out whithout being physically present? |
| 01:38.40 | The_Vulture | ThatGuy^: apparently not.. |
| 01:38.46 | The_Vulture | ThatGuy^: all which modules exactly? |
| 01:39.00 | ThatGuy^ | I have 2 identical machines and both lost sound on upgrade |
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| 01:39.18 | idis | because /etc/init.d/hotplug stop doesn't clean usb for instance |
| 01:39.39 | sbk | pmwilson: well, I did try to do what I suggested you, but could not make it work too well. I tried to chainload the tomsrtbt image, and fiddled with it enough to get it to start booting (it uses LILO it looks like.) But downstream, it still tried to read the floppy drive, so my idea doesn't look too useful |
| 01:39.39 | The_Vulture | ThatGuy^: that doesn't answer the question.. |
| 01:39.46 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ÇູÇÏÁö ¸»¾Æ¿ä' returned no results. |
| 01:39.49 | z0unds- | can a kernel be reinstalled from the CD without having to format the harddisk?? |
| 01:39.49 | moshii | idis: I don't think so, maybe stopping the pcmcia services would make it seem like the card has been unplugged |
| 01:39.52 | ThatGuy^ | The_Vulture: I was usig oss befor upgrade and I use es1371 as module |
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| 01:40.23 | ThatGuy^ | I have soundcore loaded and lsmod don't show es1371 anymore just soundcore |
| 01:40.28 | idis | so there is no cold-unplugging then? |
| 01:40.31 | sbk | pmwilson: so short version -- seem to have led you down the wrong path, sorry |
| 01:40.50 | The_Vulture | ThatGuy^: in the upgrade did you install a more recent kernel? when you do "modprobe es1371" what happens? (what output does modprobe give, what output does dmesg give) |
| 01:40.59 | Scumbag | Can someone try to "apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-686" for me? |
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| 01:41.22 | mrwill | Scumbag: why, is it not working for you? |
| 01:41.33 | Scumbag | Yes, I may have screwed up my sources.list |
| 01:41.36 | Scumbag | Everything else works fine |
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| 01:41.43 | resuDaed | anyone have any ideas why whenever I mount an nfs share (rw,sync,no_root_squash), I have read-only access (even though it is mounted as rw) ? |
| 01:42.01 | mrwill | Scumbag: what error do you get? |
| 01:42.03 | ThatGuy^ | The_Vulture: I will look at dmesg and modprobe es1371 loads soundcore and no its the same kernel |
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| 01:42.33 | swoon | anyone using ndiswrapper? Im having a hell of a time installing it... I can only connect via wireless so I need to download whatever I need to install ndiswrapper using mepis livecd... |
| 01:42.42 | joujou | how to make artsd use software mixing (i've just setup one in ~/.asoundrc) |
| 01:43.06 | ThatGuy^ | The_Vulture: it used to show es1371 when I do lsmod but not anymore just soundcore shows when I manually modprobe es1371 |
| 01:43.23 | moshii | swoon: what card is it? try and get a native driver if you can |
| 01:43.33 | z0unds- | can the kernel that comes with the cd get installed to the already-installed debian without having to format? |
| 01:43.50 | The_Vulture | ThatGuy^: and dmesg and modprobe say nothing? checked /etc/modutils/aliases for something about es1371? or other modprobe configs.. |
| 01:44.07 | The_Vulture | z0unds-: sure, just use the CD as an apt source and install the kernel-image |
| 01:44.13 | mrwill | z0unds-: maybe, but a better way would be to apt-get install the kernel you want. |
| 01:44.18 | swoon | moshii I would if there was one available... broadcom none... |
| 01:44.22 | Scumbag | I get "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary_i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 01:44.24 | Scumbag | " |
| 01:44.33 | ThatGuy^ | The_Vulture: thanks I will keep trying,driving me nuts though |
| 01:44.40 | moshii | swoon: ouch :( |
| 01:44.42 | Scumbag | Is what I get when I apt-get install kernel-headers-2.4.18-686 |
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| 01:45.02 | mrwill | Scumbag: have you done an apt-get update recently? |
| 01:45.06 | swoon | moshii not ouch if I can just install ndiswrapper... never has been hard on any other distro Ive used |
| 01:45.21 | The_Vulture | . |
| 01:45.25 | The_Vulture | Scumbag: apt-get update |
| 01:46.33 | moshii | swoon: there is a debian source on the ndiswrapper homepage IIRC |
| 01:46.57 | swoon | does anyone have ndiswrapper installed? |
| 01:47.12 | idis | swoon: there is also ndiswrapper-source and ndiswrapper-utils |
| 01:47.15 | Scumbag | I've done apt-get update, yes |
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| 01:47.37 | ago73 | Hi |
| 01:47.40 | swoon | yes I know but its not as easy as simply installing ndiswrapper-source, and ndiswrapper-utils |
| 01:47.45 | mrwill | Scumbag: so installing those kernel headers fails anyway? |
| 01:47.50 | mrwill | ago73: hi |
| 01:47.54 | Scumbag | Actually, I may have screwed up my sources list now |
| 01:47.56 | Scumbag | Crap! |
| 01:48.10 | Scumbag | Can someone give me a sources.list file to use? |
| 01:48.16 | Scumbag | Or the default? |
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| 01:48.21 | idis | swoon: what's the problem then? |
| 01:48.37 | mrwill | Scumbag: why don't you try apt-setup? that should fix your sources.list |
| 01:48.42 | swoon | idis do you have ndiswrapper installed? |
| 01:48.46 | ago73 | I am trying to compile a module with make-kpkg for 2.6.9-2-686 but pacakage is for 2.6.9. Do I need some special flag? |
| 01:48.55 | Scumbag | ok! Thanks! |
| 01:48.58 | idis | swoon: no, i'm sorry |
| 01:49.01 | swoon | then dont worry about it |
| 01:49.22 | mrwill | ago73: just be sure to link against the right kernel headers, and you'll be fine. |
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| 01:50.48 | ago73 | mrwill /usr/src/linux -> kernel-headers-2.6.9-2-686 but when I produce a package it installs into /lib/modules/...2.6.9 |
| 01:52.36 | mrwill | ago73: I see, the module is installed into the wrong directory, but I'm not sure what to do. |
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| 01:53.23 | mrwill | ago73: if it is just one .ko file, I'd be tempted to manually copy it to the right place, but that is a pretty lame solution, I know. |
| 01:53.28 | r3m | Hi, is there a way to see the last man page added to the system (ie: 10 last man page) |
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| 01:53.53 | PerfDave | r3m: Why would you want this information? |
| 01:53.57 | ago73 | I just do not know how to produce a module deb installer for ...-2-686 |
| 01:54.11 | mrwill | r3m: generally, every package has a man page, so what you really want is to see the last installed packages, right? |
| 01:54.11 | ago73 | I played a bit with the make-kpkg flags with no luck |
| 01:54.16 | AdamWeston | i think you can ls the man directory and sort by date created |
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| 01:54.56 | r3m | perfdave i got dancer ircd but the documentation just cover the oper and user guide, what is the binary file to launch the ircd... well perfdave can we know the last manpage added to a system? |
| 01:55.25 | PerfDave | r3m: You could use "dpkg -L" with the package name for the thing you installed and look for manpage. |
| 01:55.41 | r3m | ok thanks ! |
| 01:56.03 | Scumbag | Dammit, I've screwed up my sources.list |
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| 01:56.13 | Scumbag | Could someone tell me what they have in theirs? |
| 01:56.22 | dvs | Scumbag: It can't be that bad. |
| 01:56.39 | r3m | ./usr/sbin ;) thanks perfdave |
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| 01:57.40 | jintxo | Scumbag, if you want I can paste my sources.list int #flood |
| 01:58.10 | r3m | Perfdave i've installed from source but ive heard a debian package exist, so the two version is installed, how to remove all thing the source has done |
| 01:58.25 | Scumbag | Yes please r3m! |
| 01:59.09 | PerfDave | r3m: make uninstall probably will help |
| 01:59.17 | PerfDave | r3m: Did you install from source in /usr/local? |
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| 01:59.52 | r3m | PerfDave, no in my home directory, it's stupid? .. :S |
| 01:59.56 | Froks | does anyone know if there is a way to list the dependencies of an installed package with dpkg? |
| 02:00.05 | PerfDave | r3m: Nah, home directory should be fine. |
| 02:00.08 | swoon | I need to do a debian/rules what do I need to install in order to be able to use debian/rules? |
| 02:00.21 | PerfDave | Froks: apt-cache show $package |
| 02:00.30 | PerfDave | swoon: Read the Package Maintainter's Guides |
| 02:00.38 | Froks | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 02:02.30 | Scumbag | thanks |
| 02:02.39 | idis | swoon: you surely need help from debhelper package |
| 02:03.07 | swoon | ok thanks idis |
| 02:03.22 | Scumbag | When I run apt-get update I get "Err http://http.debian.org testing/main Packages |
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| 02:03.54 | Scumbag | "Something wicked happened resolving 'http.debian.org:http' (-3) |
| 02:03.58 | Scumbag | o_O |
| 02:04.01 | Scumbag | I'm stumped... |
| 02:04.11 | idis | swoon: and dh_make would help too |
| 02:04.13 | mystic_ | uhm... |
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| 02:04.53 | _scp | ? |
| 02:05.03 | Scumbag | and I only have one line in my sources.list: |
| 02:05.06 | swoon | idis is dh_make the name of the package? |
| 02:05.10 | Scumbag | "deb http://http.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" |
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| 02:05.28 | idis | swoon: that's dh-make package for dh_make tool |
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| 02:05.43 | swoon | ah thx |
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| 02:06.09 | idis | it's suggested by debhelper anyway |
| 02:06.16 | swoon | ah k |
| 02:06.45 | Scumbag | Does anyone have any ideas about this apt-get nonsense? =( |
| 02:06.50 | pmwilson | what cmd line option echoes all commands before executing them (i.e. run a script like bash -blah script.sh ) |
| 02:07.07 | mystic_ | G'day. I have just installed debian on a computer and its working pretty well. I have installed fluxbox and KDE. When the login screen apears on bootup it seemes as X thinks the screen is bigger then it really is or something. as it looks like im looking at it through a magnifying glass. and when i move my mouse to the edges the screen image moves over towards where my pointer is at. now when i logged into KDE the first time it was also like that. |
| 02:07.20 | mrwill | Scumbag: does networking work otherwise? |
| 02:07.20 | idis | Scumbag: is http.debian.org a good host name for a mirror? |
| 02:07.42 | Scumbag | good host name for a mirror? I dunno.... |
| 02:07.48 | mystic_ | try another mirror |
| 02:07.51 | mystic_ | some other* |
| 02:07.53 | Scumbag | Someone had "ftp.debian.org" as theirs |
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| 02:07.57 | beardy | pmwilson: cat foo.sh ; bash foo.sh |
| 02:07.58 | helix | does http.debian.org even exist? it's usually http.us.debia.org (substitute 'us' with your local country code) |
| 02:07.59 | idis | Scumbag: your line should read ftp.debian.org |
| 02:08.02 | PerfDave | http.debian.org gives NXDOMAIN here |
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| 02:08.10 | Scumbag | ahhhh |
| 02:08.11 | tomb0y | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian |
| 02:08.13 | greycat | try http.us.debian.org |
| 02:08.15 | helix | err, debian |
| 02:08.17 | Scumbag | ok! |
| 02:08.24 | pmwilson | beardy: i want to see where it stops/fails |
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| 02:08.27 | Scumbag | How do I test if networking is working anyway? |
| 02:08.32 | mwilson | http.debian.org had better work... think about it. |
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| 02:08.47 | mwilson | ack, www.debian.org, of course. |
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| 02:08.50 | helix | mwilson: http:// should |
| 02:08.55 | greycat | Host http.debian.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| 02:09.10 | idis | mwilson: this is _not_ a valid host name |
| 02:09.11 | helix | Scumbag: ping something |
| 02:09.18 | beardy | pmwilson: add echo "this and that" before each thing in the script |
| 02:09.24 | helix | H-D? |
| 02:09.28 | mwilson | ^_^ |
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| 02:09.47 | Jaxalot | What's the command to stop GDM from the console? |
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| 02:10.11 | Jaxalot | Or XDM. I assume it's a similar command. |
| 02:10.11 | mwilson | helix: White Chocolate Raspberry Truffle |
| 02:10.13 | pmwilson | beardy: that would take a LONG time. bash doesn't support turning on echoing of commands in a general way? i could swear i've done it before |
| 02:10.16 | mwilson | :) |
| 02:10.17 | helix | mwilson: ah |
| 02:10.19 | greycat | Jaxalot: /etc/init.d/whatever stop |
| 02:10.22 | beardy | Jaxalot: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 02:10.34 | mrwill | Scumbag: or try 'dig www.google.com' |
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| 02:11.06 | mystic_ | sorry for writing this again. Just to be sure everyone that might be able to help saw it |
| 02:11.10 | helix | it has soy milk on it |
| 02:11.16 | mystic_ | G'day. I have just installed debian on a computer and its working pretty well. I have installed fluxbox and KDE. When the login screen apears on bootup it seemes as X thinks the screen is bigger then it really is or something. as it looks like im looking at it through a magnifying glass. and when i move my mouse to the edges the screen image moves over towards where my pointer is at. now when i logged into KDE the first time it was also like that. |
| 02:11.16 | mwilson | ew |
| 02:11.19 | idis | mrwill: Scumbag used a bad name, this does not mean he doesn't have a resolver anyway... |
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| 02:11.33 | Scumbag | "no servers could be reached" |
| 02:11.35 | Scumbag | Crap |
| 02:11.36 | helix | mwilson: ew? it's fortified and GOOD for you! |
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| 02:11.39 | mwilson | helix: ltns |
| 02:11.40 | Scumbag | My net has stopped working |
| 02:11.43 | mrwill | idis: really, eh? |
| 02:11.48 | Scumbag | Do I need to reboot linux? |
| 02:11.54 | punkrockguy318 | Scumbag, no |
| 02:11.55 | idis | mrwill: oops |
| 02:11.56 | Scumbag | Also, how do you shut down linux? ;) |
| 02:11.56 | helix | Scumbag: no |
| 02:12.01 | greycat | Scumbag: man shutdown |
| 02:12.03 | jariep | can somebody tell me how to reinstall the "ipv6 over ipv4 tunnel driver"? |
| 02:12.04 | mrwill | Scumbag: no, need a valid dns server address in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:12.17 | justin | mystic_: so reconfigure X how you want it. |
| 02:12.25 | mwilson | jariep: Why do you think you need IPV6? |
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| 02:12.27 | Scumbag | How do I know a valid DNS server address? |
| 02:12.32 | Scumbag | It was working a moment ago... |
| 02:12.36 | mwilson | Scumbag: Your ISP gave it to you. |
| 02:12.39 | idis | Scumbag: how hell you came to irc with no resolver? |
| 02:12.45 | user01 | are there any faq for getting usb flash disk to work under 2.6.8? |
| 02:12.46 | Jaxalot | greycat/beardy: Thanks. |
| 02:12.47 | Scumbag | haha, different box ;) |
| 02:12.48 | mrwill | Scumbag: usually dhcp will take care of that. |
| 02:12.59 | mystic_ | justin: ive reconfigured it with the correct values for the screen and the right resolutions about a million times but it seemes not to make a difference |
| 02:13.01 | punkrockguy318 | mrwill, is there more than one address you can use? mine keeps going out... |
| 02:13.04 | ralf | Hi all |
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| 02:13.10 | Scumbag | Yeah, my net access was working before, so I'm gonna reboot it and see.. |
| 02:13.10 | jariep | mwilson, because, at boot time it pauses 10 minutes trying to search for it, I don't know how to install it or remove it? |
| 02:13.24 | justin | !tell mystic_ about X problem |
| 02:13.27 | mystic_ | justin: what setting do i change to get it to not do the magnifying-like thing, then? |
| 02:13.27 | mrwill | Scumbag: just restart networking, you DO NOT NEED TO REBOOT |
| 02:13.39 | jariep | mwilson, do you know where I can read about this package? |
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| 02:13.51 | mwilson | jariep: No idea. |
| 02:13.59 | mwilson | helix: Why is there soy milk on your spoon? |
| 02:13.59 | idis | mrwill: this i fought for months with BOFHs |
| 02:14.04 | mrwill | Scumbag: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 02:14.07 | r3m | Perfdave ? in the ircd.conf i need to specify the ip of the server but my isp use dhcp, can i take a variable or something like that? what is the name |
| 02:14.15 | badbread334 | hi guys |
| 02:14.17 | mrwill | idis: what? rebooting all the time? |
| 02:14.24 | punkrockguy318 | Scumbag, what's your ISP? |
| 02:14.25 | idis | mrwill: yup |
| 02:14.30 | badbread334 | can you debian boys help me out?? Im trying to make my box a PDC |
| 02:14.33 | greycat | |
| 02:14.40 | Scumbag | mines' bigpond, punkrockguy |
| 02:14.47 | Scumbag | Testra |
| 02:14.47 | punkrockguy318 | okay |
| 02:14.49 | greycat | badbread334: sounds sambaish. |
| 02:14.50 | PerfDave | badbread334: Are you running Debian? |
| 02:14.52 | az[a]zel | bigpong |
| 02:14.55 | Scumbag | hahaha |
| 02:14.56 | badbread334 | no |
| 02:15.02 | badbread334 | running FC |
| 02:15.04 | PerfDave | r3m: Do you get a static address from your ISP? |
| 02:15.07 | badbread334 | smb.conf is all configured |
| 02:15.08 | pmwilson | can i unmount root and remount a different root without rebooting? i.e. from hda2 to hdc2 |
| 02:15.08 | Scumbag | Hey azazel, you don't go to griffith uni do you? |
| 02:15.09 | PerfDave | badbread334: Then no |
| 02:15.09 | greycat | badbread334: /j #fedora /j #samba |
| 02:15.15 | badbread334 | :( |
| 02:15.15 | az[a]zel | no |
| 02:15.17 | PerfDave | badbread334: Go ask #fedora or #samba |
| 02:15.18 | badbread334 | they dont know |
| 02:15.19 | Scumbag | ah...ok |
| 02:15.23 | badbread334 | thats why i asked you guys |
| 02:15.25 | greycat | badbread334: neither do we. |
| 02:15.31 | idis | pmwilson: don't think so |
| 02:15.34 | user01 | usb_storage 59072 0 |
| 02:15.39 | user01 | i see that |
| 02:15.43 | badbread334 | greycat, does debian not use samba?? |
| 02:15.50 | greycat | badbread334: fuck off. |
| 02:15.57 | badbread334 | lol |
| 02:16.16 | user01 | when i do lsmod |
| 02:16.25 | r3m | Perfdave static for 6 mouth, so i just need to change the file two time by years but i would like to know if a identifier or variable exist to return the ip of eth0 |
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| 02:16.34 | badbread334 | relax, im running a different distro not persecuting your people |
| 02:16.41 | Andy21 | hello. how do i see wich debian version im on when im in bash ? |
| 02:16.51 | badbread334 | im trying to learn, thats all |
| 02:16.57 | PerfDave | r3m: Well, if the configuration file is read, not interpreted, then it won't make any difference. |
| 02:17.01 | sbk | pmwilson: probably bash -x will get you part of it at least |
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| 02:17.11 | r3m | PerfDave ok |
| 02:17.15 | pmwilson | Andy21: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 02:17.26 | Scumbag | dammit...my net access has just flat out stopped working |
| 02:17.39 | Scumbag | How do I restart networking? |
| 02:17.40 | Andy21 | pmwilson ya but wich rc.. |
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| 02:17.57 | greycat | badbread334: well, your first lesson is that when you ask samba fedora questions, #debian isn't the right place. |
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| 02:18.13 | pmwilson | sbk: that's exactly what i was looking for |
| 02:18.29 | Scumbag | Also, can you setup linux so you can view it from a windows network browser? |
| 02:18.37 | greycat | ask #samba |
| 02:18.47 | sbk | pmwilson: BTW, dunno if you scrolled your IRC history -- no dice on the floppy idea with grub. I tried it, and could not get it to work fully. |
| 02:18.48 | user01 | isnt it modconf to modify modules? |
| 02:18.52 | PerfDave | Scumbag: Yes, using Samba. |
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| 02:18.57 | mrwill | Scumbag: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 02:19.14 | pmwilson | sbk: yeah, i saw that.... i'm still going to try it (had to go eat dinner...) |
| 02:19.15 | Scumbag | thansk |
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| 02:19.35 | pmwilson | sbk: any easy way to tell if grub is going to work? :o] |
| 02:19.39 | k0nlied | has anyone heard of an OSX style panel for gnome? |
| 02:20.00 | pmwilson | sbk: i.e. commands in the grub shell before i go for the reboot? |
| 02:20.01 | mrwill | k0nlied: there are lots of themes for gnome, and some of them look like mac ripoffs, yes. |
| 02:20.14 | idis | pmwilson: plug and pray |
| 02:20.33 | mrwill | k0nlied: try art.gnome.org, think that is where the themes are. |
| 02:20.35 | k0nlied | mrwill: all current panels however act the same. a theme affects different things. |
| 02:20.36 | sbk | pmwilson: ah, you mean just so that you can reboot into a working kernel :-) well, you can try the find commands to check that your pathnames look okay |
| 02:20.41 | mystic_ | justin: http://humpmeg.net/xconfig.txt |
| 02:20.53 | sbk | pmwilson: so if you have a kernel line, then try find'ing the path to the kernel |
| 02:20.56 | mystic_ | justin: if that was what you needed. as there was no errors... |
| 02:20.58 | mrwill | k0nlied: oh, I see, you want the program to behave like the dock. |
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| 02:21.11 | pmwilson | sbk: i'll look at it some more before i reboot, thanks for all of your help |
| 02:21.15 | mystic_ | justin: thank you for trying to help by the way :) |
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| 02:21.25 | k0nlied | mrwill: pretty much |
| 02:21.28 | sbk | pmwilson: but best is to keep a rescue CD -- things can bite in unexpected ways, as you probably know :-) |
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| 02:21.44 | mrwill | k0nlied: there is probably something like that out there, but I don't know what it is? |
| 02:21.54 | k0nlied | such things are not unheard of (gnoem still hasn't got proper transparency!) |
| 02:21.58 | k0nlied | thanks though :) |
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| 02:22.09 | pmwilson | sbk: yeah, i have one around, but i dont' want to spend the time putting a cd-rom drive in this machine... heh (no floppy either) |
| 02:22.29 | PerfDave | Hmm. Is there some way where I can look at a bunch of packets on my network (specified in a pcap stylee) and see how many k/sec is being transferred? |
| 02:22.31 | sbk | pmwilson: yep. Well, you can paste your menu.lst somewhere, I can eyeball it. |
| 02:22.38 | britt_ | !hi everyone |
| 02:22.38 | dpkg | Many greetings, everyone, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 02:22.44 | mrwill | user01: modconf does modify modules, yes. |
| 02:23.01 | justin | mystic_: make "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" "1280x1024" |
| 02:23.01 | pmwilson | sbk: ... since that's most of the reason i didn't just write the image to a disk in the first place |
| 02:23.15 | justin | mystic_: "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 02:23.29 | pmwilson | sbk: i'm going to read up on grub some more, might see if you are around and ask later, thanks. |
| 02:23.32 | jkg | PerfDave: it's not exactly what you want, but 'iftop' does everything I want in that context |
| 02:23.48 | sbk | pmwilson: yep, I remember that you don't have a floppy drive :) well, if you paste your menu.lst and the appropriate part of your lilo.conf, I can do an eyeball compare as a sanity check |
| 02:23.55 | sbk | pmwilson: ok |
| 02:24.00 | mystic_ | justin: ill try that :) thanks. |
| 02:24.43 | britt_ | anybody know if debian will go on a pre-G3 apple? |
| 02:24.47 | Scumbag | "/etc/init.d/networking restart" doesn't work for me |
| 02:24.51 | greycat | britt_: #debianppc would know |
| 02:24.59 | britt_ | got ya |
| 02:24.59 | Scumbag | networking isn't a command |
| 02:25.04 | PerfDave | jkg: Ooh, you're keeping tabs on me over here are you? ;p |
| 02:25.09 | mrwill | britt_: probably not a nubus one, I would think. |
| 02:25.10 | Scumbag | britt: NO |
| 02:25.18 | anti-windows | Hmm...i had an SSH session that timed out on me from my remote machine...when I run 'w' or 'who' it still shows me as logged in ... twice...how long will my username be in the 'w' / 'who' list before it idles out / gets removed? :-P |
| 02:25.19 | Scumbag | I don't think so |
| 02:25.29 | Scumbag | I've tried it on the very first G3 imac |
| 02:25.32 | Scumbag | (s) |
| 02:25.37 | Scumbag | Doesn't like it |
| 02:25.46 | britt_ | Scumbag: I have a 3400c and I was wondering if it would work |
| 02:25.46 | mrwill | Scumbag: really, I ran it on a beige g3, that is even older. |
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| 02:25.52 | britt_ | I will try #debianppc |
| 02:25.54 | IcE-bOy | hi |
| 02:25.55 | jkg | PerfDave: I was socialising with you in an alternate internet-only context. *nod* |
| 02:25.58 | Scumbag | Really? OK |
| 02:25.59 | mrwill | britt_: good luck. |
| 02:26.02 | Scumbag | =) |
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| 02:26.22 | Gathond | Scumbag: I've had debian run on an imac G3 (first design, crt monitor thing) |
| 02:26.23 | IcE-bOy | one question about sed, why doesn't work ? echo -e "salto \n de" | sed -e 's/\\n//g' |
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| 02:26.27 | dangerobby | could someone please remind me how I reconfigure packages with dpkg? |
| 02:26.29 | PerfDave | jkg: Nah, that's #debian-offtopic, #debian isn't really a social context ;p |
| 02:26.29 | Admin_ | hello |
| 02:26.30 | IcE-bOy | i want to remove \n |
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| 02:26.33 | Scumbag | ahhh, ok! |
| 02:26.37 | mrwill | dangerobby: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:26.43 | Admin_ | is there anyway that i can install debian onto my HDD from a windows partition....i have no bootable device other than HDD?????? |
| 02:26.56 | dangerobby | mrwill: thanks |
| 02:26.57 | Scumbag | Oh, crap, I made a mistake - I tried to run Yellow Dog linux on one of those....not debian. Debian actually worked, yellow dog didn't.... |
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| 02:27.27 | idis | Scumbag: how is it with your resolver? |
| 02:27.30 | greycat | IcE-bOy: because sed can't handle newlines. It just can't. Stop trying. You'll save yourself a LOT of pain. |
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| 02:27.34 | mrwill | Admin_: I'm going to say probably not to that one. |
| 02:27.36 | Scumbag | Resolver? |
| 02:27.39 | Scumbag | The iMac? |
| 02:27.42 | greycat | IcE-bOy: tr -d \\n will delete all the newlines. |
| 02:27.56 | idis | Scumbag: the http.debian.org doesn't exist |
| 02:27.57 | IcE-bOy | greycat, thanks!! |
| 02:28.05 | Scumbag | Yeah, it still doesn't work |
| 02:28.15 | Scumbag | It was working not so long ago, so I don't know what's wrong |
| 02:28.31 | Scumbag | I think a reformat is in order |
| 02:28.35 | mrwill | Scumbag: hmm, are you configuring your nic with dhcp? |
| 02:28.38 | mrwill | Scumbag: NO! |
| 02:28.39 | Scumbag | yes |
| 02:28.48 | Scumbag | haha, it's alright, it's just a mess around machine |
| 02:28.53 | mrwill | Scumbag: what does 'dhclient eth0' do? |
| 02:28.54 | Scumbag | I've been screwing around as root |
| 02:28.59 | Scumbag | ok, brb |
| 02:29.16 | Scumbag | No such device |
| 02:29.25 | PerfDave | jkg: Ooh, iftop is pretty |
| 02:29.37 | mrwill | Scumbag: what does 'ifconfig' say? |
| 02:29.43 | idis | Scumbag: did you /etc/init.d/networking start again? |
| 02:30.19 | Scumbag | ifconfig: 127.0.0.1 |
| 02:30.47 | mrwill | Scumbag: ok, you don't have any network interfaces up right now. |
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| 02:30.57 | Scumbag | networking command didn't work |
| 02:31.02 | Scumbag | said it wasn't a command or something |
| 02:31.21 | Davidcc6_ | i need burn a dvd, is the same like a cd whit cdrecord????? |
| 02:31.30 | sbk | Admin_: haven't tried it, but there seem to be instructions in the debian install manual |
| 02:31.32 | idis | Scumbag: didn't remove the x bits of that file? |
| 02:31.35 | mrwill | Scumbag: what did you type, then? it's '/etc/init.d/networking start' |
| 02:31.37 | Pumpkin_Pie | whats a good way to clone my linux box to another computer ? |
| 02:31.46 | Phated | Scumbag: Were you root when you typed it? |
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| 02:32.51 | sbk | Admin_: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-install-drive |
| 02:33.37 | idis | Scumbag: well, good luck with it... |
| 02:34.05 | Admin_ | sbk...i think im screwed.......i cant even boot a rescu disk to change the partition file system,...... |
| 02:34.05 | idis | !bye |
| 02:34.06 | dpkg | Cya, idis |
| 02:34.13 | Admin_ | sbk, but thnx anyways..... |
| 02:35.00 | sbk | Admin_: not sure what your situation is, but this process doesn't seem to involve rescue disks -- looks like it makes you F8 into DOS, and the loadlin the debian installer |
| 02:35.09 | Davidcc6_ | how i can use the cdrecord for burn a dvd iso? |
| 02:35.39 | greycat | Davidcc6_: you may have to use the non-free one. |
| 02:35.46 | Beccara | what command do i run to show cpu and ram useage |
| 02:35.55 | greycat | Beccara: top |
| 02:35.56 | mrwill | Beccara: top |
| 02:36.06 | mrwill | drat, redundantized again. |
| 02:36.09 | dondelelcaro | Davidcc6_: the one in Debian will burn -rw media, but not +rw media |
| 02:36.09 | Beccara | thanks |
| 02:36.19 | Admin_ | sbk, you are right...i read 5.4...........not 5.4.1, i followed a link and diddnt get to read 5.4.1...thnx though |
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| 02:36.36 | dondelelcaro | Davidcc6_: to burn +rw media, you either need the non-free one, or you use growisofs and the dvd+rwtools |
| 02:36.50 | sbk | Admin_: doesn't look too bad, but haven't tried it myself :-) good luck. |
| 02:37.11 | Admin_ | sbk, il stop back in here, try to remember you name....and let you know......thnx :) |
| 02:37.36 | Davidcc6_ | thx all |
| 02:37.48 | Davidcc6_ | media= ? |
| 02:38.14 | Davidcc6_ | dondelelcaro so cdrecord -rw /dev/hdc or ... i am wrong? |
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| 02:39.39 | greycat | Davidcc6_: man cdrecord |
| 02:39.47 | PerfDave | Does that whole DVD+/- thing still cause problems? I was putting off buying a DVD burner until it was all fixed :) |
| 02:40.02 | greycat | dpkg, smurs is <reply> STOP MAKING UP RANDOM SYNTAX! |
| 02:40.02 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 02:41.42 | lemonade | I'm using a really old computer. What would you recommend I use to view images? (.jpg specifically) |
| 02:42.13 | sussudio | lemonade: a monitor |
| 02:42.16 | lemonade | I feel dumb for asking, but I can't even run firefox on this thing without sapping all the resources |
| 02:42.20 | jkg | xloadimage |
| 02:42.21 | lemonade | no, what software, sussudio |
| 02:42.24 | lemonade | k |
| 02:42.31 | sussudio | !tell lemonade about search |
| 02:42.32 | greycat | lemonade: qiv, display (imagemagick) |
| 02:43.11 | scarynetworkguy | lemonade: pornview |
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| 02:43.24 | scarynetworkguy | Which while a awful name is a very slick piece of code. |
| 02:43.41 | lemonade | =p. I was just kinda surprised it's not built into the x metapackage, or it doesn't know what to use.. because it will render a thumbnail, but not the whole image |
| 02:44.07 | greycat | what "it"? |
| 02:44.14 | joujou | please please does anybody remember games similar so dig dug? i used to play one when i was young, it looks awfully like dig dug (http://www.eightyeightynine.com/pics/digdug2.gif), probably it's a newer version of it. 80's game, dying to find it >_< |
| 02:44.36 | lemonade | Switched: a method of viewing image files.. |
| 02:44.43 | lemonade | switched? I said it |
| 02:44.55 | lemonade | o.o |
| 02:45.21 | greycat | sure, I remember Dig Dug. And Mr. Is. |
| 02:45.28 | greycat | err, the arcade one was called Mr. Do |
| 02:45.35 | dondelelcaro | ah, the joys of random syntax... |
| 02:45.35 | greycat | the X version is xmris |
| 02:45.57 | Davidcc6_ | look ppl, i am doing this #cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=4 driveropts=burnfree -v /home/user/dvd/movie.iso |
| 02:45.59 | Davidcc6_ | but |
| 02:46.13 | greycat | dev=/dev/hdc eh? |
| 02:46.23 | greycat | are you sure that's correct for your operating system? |
| 02:46.42 | greycat | and why are you specifying both a speed *AND* burnfree? |
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| 02:46.59 | Davidcc6_ | i am sure |
| 02:47.05 | Davidcc6_ | about /dev/hdc |
| 02:47.12 | Nurbs | greycat: why not? |
| 02:47.23 | cafuego | Sure you don't want ATA:0,0,1 ? |
| 02:47.26 | greycat | burnfree makes it lower the speed automatically when the buffer gets close to empty |
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| 02:47.40 | cafuego | (or similar) |
| 02:47.48 | Davidcc6_ | ok, but this is the error |
| 02:48.45 | Davidcc6_ | unspecified command not implemented for this drive |
| 02:48.48 | pmwilson | sbk: is there a way to get grub to bypass reading the menu.lst file? something must be wrong w/ it... GRUB starts loading, and then I get "Error 16" |
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| 02:48.55 | greycat | !details |
| 02:48.55 | dpkg | If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian version, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable. |
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| 02:49.04 | Davidcc6_ | data will not fit on any disk |
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| 02:49.28 | joujou | greycat: THAT'S IT Mr IS, thanks man!!! |
| 02:49.36 | greycat | To the above, for this particular question, you'd better add: your version of cdrecord, what drive it is, and media it is, how big the ISO is. |
| 02:49.54 | Davidcc6_ | i have debian/sarge and kernel 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 02:49.56 | endomandi | Using EVMS with four identical SCSI disks, Is the following configuration suitable for general reliable data storage: Bad Block Relocation on each disk, two RAID 1 arrays combined into an LVM2 container which can have striped volumes, if necessary? |
| 02:50.12 | Davidcc6_ | greycat 4500mb |
| 02:50.22 | endomandi | uhhh. |
| 02:50.27 | sbk | pmwilson: hm, error 16 says "Inconsistent filesystem structure" -- that's rather odd -- like it's partially able to read a filesystem, but is failing some checks. That's what it says |
| 02:50.28 | endomandi | Dave123: 450MiB? |
| 02:50.30 | cafuego | Davidcc6_: How were you thinking of putting that on a cd? |
| 02:50.33 | exobyte | can modern wireless 802.11g be fully secure? Were the discovered holes patched and can authentification be required? |
| 02:50.44 | karsten | mwilson: You here? |
| 02:50.45 | endomandi | exobyte: Nothing is ever fully secure. |
| 02:50.48 | karsten | mwilson: links2: does it support abs? |
| 02:50.50 | sbk | pmwilson: in any case -- nope, it does want to read a menu.lst, but it'll drop you into a grub prompt if that fails. |
| 02:50.51 | Davidcc6_ | cafuego is a dvd man |
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| 02:51.02 | Davidcc6_ | cafuego i am trying to burn a dvd |
| 02:51.03 | cafuego | Davidcc6_: Well, thanks for tell us *now* |
| 02:51.03 | greycat | Davidcc6_: you still haven't said what drive, what media, or what version of cdrecord. |
| 02:51.07 | karsten | exobyte: Don't trust the media. Tunnel over ssh. |
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| 02:51.16 | karsten | exobyte: ...WEP is insecure. Period. |
| 02:51.24 | exobyte | karsten: that's half of it, but yes, that is secure |
| 02:51.35 | exobyte | karsten: is there a wep alternative? |
| 02:51.43 | dondelelcaro | there's no such thing as a physical media that is secure |
| 02:51.43 | exobyte | wpa? |
| 02:51.56 | sbk | pmwilson: if it didn't drop you into a grub prompt, then I'm afraid the bootloader didn't install properly |
| 02:52.02 | cafuego | exobyte: That's probably still insecure. Use a VPN when working over wifi. |
| 02:52.03 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: but encryption is strong, so it's as secure as the password |
| 02:52.08 | Davidcc6_ | greycat is the last version os debian/sarge |
| 02:52.14 | greycat | !latest |
| 02:52.14 | dpkg | newest is probably *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
| 02:52.21 | dondelelcaro | unless we're talking about a crossover cable in fort knox... and even that's not terribly secure. |
| 02:52.30 | exobyte | cafuego: what about making sure only legit users use the network? |
| 02:52.36 | pmwilson | sbk: i'll go steal a cd-rom drive out of someone else's machine... it claimed everything was successful when it installed |
| 02:52.48 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: you should always assume that anyone can use the network |
| 02:53.03 | sbk | pmwilson: yep. That error 16 is real surprising though. I don't suppose you had any filesystemp problems on that partition, did you? |
| 02:53.19 | Davidcc6_ | greycat so? |
| 02:53.21 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: I know a captive portal can make it very unlikely that someone can use it |
| 02:53.23 | cafuego | exobyte: You can add as many levels of firewalling and access control as you like, but at the end of the day, add a vpn ;-) |
| 02:53.30 | greycat | some people just can't be helped. |
| 02:53.39 | Davidcc6_ | snif |
| 02:53.53 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: you can make it much more difficult... but you should always just assume that any random person can walk up and use the network. |
| 02:53.55 | pmwilson | sbk: nope. some sites say that it means that a device string was expected, but that iw wasn't following correct synatx rules |
| 02:54.04 | Davidcc6_ | i life in colombia, is really hard write you |
| 02:54.08 | Davidcc6_ | man |
| 02:54.15 | cafuego | excuses excuses |
| 02:54.21 | endomandi | Well, hopefully that means I haven't done anything too stupid. |
| 02:54.32 | greycat | out of ALL the IMPORTANT details, you gave precisely ONE: the kernel version. |
| 02:54.35 | sbk | pmwilson: ok. Well, in any case -- 'fraid it's back to a rescue CD. You can paste the menu.lst and lilo.conf somewhere when you're able to |
| 02:54.43 | greycat | you didn't give the drive, the media, or the version of the software. |
| 02:54.44 | mrwill | for a second I thought someone was saying to read 'man excuses' |
| 02:54.49 | pmwilson | sbk: alright |
| 02:54.49 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: otherwise you fall into the "crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside" problem |
| 02:54.55 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: difficult like breaking RSA |
| 02:54.59 | Davidcc6_ | greycat 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 02:55.03 | cafuego | mrwill: That's not a man page, it's a fortune file ;-) |
| 02:55.12 | greycat | yes, you ALREADY GAVE THAT ONE. |
| 02:55.17 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: with a large enough cipher text with a fixed length key breaking RSA starts becomming quite plausible |
| 02:55.41 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: but that's a different problem... there's no reason not to have defense in depth |
| 02:56.29 | Davidcc6_ | greycat how can i know the version of my cdrecord? |
| 02:56.36 | greycat | fuckin' hell. |
| 02:56.37 | cafuego | The CPU has shifted, and become decentralized. |
| 02:56.50 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: so.. We still might be talking about things that make the lottery look easy to win |
| 02:56.54 | greycat | you didn't even read the bot's rant. |
| 02:56.57 | simonrvn | i guess --version is too difficult |
| 02:57.03 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: must be... |
| 02:57.21 | dondelelcaro | exobyte: you give me a few million dollars, I'll win the lottery every time |
| 02:57.46 | Davidcc6_ | greycat cdrecord 2.01a24 |
| 02:57.48 | cafuego | exobyte: For fun, use airsnort and a cracker on a network whilst transferring a few CDs worth of data. |
| 02:58.16 | simonrvn | "oooh, is that a full iso i have in my sniffed data?" |
| 02:58.18 | exobyte | ok, ok.. Is there a good way to secure my network? |
| 02:58.24 | Davidcc6_ | greycat you need more? |
| 02:58.41 | cafuego | exobyte: yes, use an encrypted tunnel with DECENT encryption. |
| 02:58.44 | greycat | that's two out of the four needed as a bare minimum to attempt to analyze the problem. |
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| 02:59.59 | Davidcc6_ | greycat ok, thx. i am gonna try in other side |
| 03:00.05 | Davidcc6_ | bye bye |
| 03:00.07 | greycat | now the REAL irony is that the three answers I've been attempting to beat out of you should ALL BE ON THE SCREEN in cdrecord's output. |
| 03:00.10 | exobyte | cafuego: I'm guessing I can bridge connections safely |
| 03:00.33 | simonrvn | there, a MOL bootable "partition" |
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| 03:01.09 | AdamWeston | i have an installer asking me "What is the directory that contains the init directories (rc0.d/ to rc6.d)?" |
| 03:01.22 | AdamWeston | it's suggesting /etc, is that correct? |
| 03:01.23 | cafuego | AdamWeston: Would that be non-debian software? |
| 03:01.33 | dondelelcaro | AdamWeston: it's /etc. And beat your non-debian software with a stick |
| 03:01.33 | AdamWeston | vmware |
| 03:01.33 | shmike | where would i find mplayer .deb for sarge? |
| 03:01.38 | dondelelcaro | !mplayer |
| 03:01.38 | dpkg | mplayer is not in Debian. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available: see ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for instructions. /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 03:01.53 | shmike | ty |
| 03:01.54 | greycat | AdamWeston: I suppose looking in /etc was too hard? |
| 03:02.01 | helix | mwilson: because I had cereal earlier |
| 03:02.19 | cafuego | exobyte: Should be able to, yes. |
| 03:02.20 | linn | what is the command for install .deb pkg from HD? |
| 03:02.24 | greycat | !FAQ linn |
| 03:02.24 | dpkg | linn: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:02.25 | cafuego | linn: man dpkg |
| 03:02.34 | linn | thanks |
| 03:02.38 | AdamWeston | greycat, im just being careful... |
| 03:03.10 | cafuego | AdamWeston: Running 'make install' on a tarball doesn't compute as "being careful" ;-) |
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| 03:03.42 | AdamWeston | you lost me there, i didnt do that |
| 03:03.49 | GAP | If anyone can comment please feel free: I'm trying to use mutt, an email editor. When I send a message it always prefixes my real name to the email like this "from: bob smith bob@bob.net" I'm trying to get rid of the first and last anemand just keep the email adress but I dont know how to do it. |
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| 03:04.34 | cafuego | GAP: it fetches it from either .muttrc or 'chfn' info. |
| 03:04.39 | exobyte | cafuego: So consumer routers are slightly risky |
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| 03:04.45 | ifup | hello, can apt-cache be used to search the unstable sources? |
| 03:04.48 | cafuego | GAP: You can overrite it via $EDITOR .muttrc |
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| 03:05.09 | mwilson | Set your From: with a my_hdr line. |
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| 03:05.18 | cafuego | exobyte: They invariably have security holes that either the manufacturer doesn't know about or can't/won't fix. |
| 03:05.26 | mwilson | You may find that your MTA doesn't let you override it, though. |
| 03:05.35 | cafuego | exobyte: Usually the biggest hole is that it's online. |
| 03:05.38 | GAP | cafuego: my .muttrc has a my_hrd line and it just includes my email adress and not my real name, yet it still knows and sends my real name... |
| 03:05.46 | greycat | my_hdr |
| 03:05.54 | GAP | thats what i meant |
| 03:05.54 | greycat | GAP: /etc/passwd |
| 03:06.03 | mwilson | GAP: Then your MTA is smart enough not to let you override it. |
| 03:06.04 | AdamWeston | i as told to install to /usr/local when doing manual installs, woudl that hold true for library files as well? |
| 03:06.16 | dondelelcaro | AdamWeston: yes. |
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| 03:06.34 | lemonade | ifup: I think you have to say apt-cache search programname/unstable, but you would need to add the unstable sources to your list and update apt |
| 03:06.36 | dondelelcaro | AdamWeston: the only time it should differ is when you actually make a .deb out of whatever it is that you're installing. |
| 03:06.47 | dondelelcaro | AdamWeston: otherwise you're just asking for wierd problems |
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| 03:07.18 | AdamWeston | cool |
| 03:07.22 | ifup | I just added the unstable sources I will try what yousaid |
| 03:07.30 | exobyte | cafuego: yeah- without internet access, a compromized box is kinda worthless |
| 03:07.34 | GAP | ok thanks that should do it! |
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| 03:08.53 | ThomasThumb | Join #gentoo |
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| 03:09.01 | exobyte | Anyone here have a Cisco 82x router? |
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| 03:09.33 | heidaro | Try adding a slash Thomas :p |
| 03:10.43 | AdamWeston | is it ok to allow it to put man files in /usr/share/man ? |
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| 03:11.03 | ThomasThumb | Anyone here know what happens to network if you have debian wins server and it goes down? |
| 03:11.21 | greycat | AdamWeston: /usr/local/man would be better, but /usr/share/man is probably safe enough for gov'ment work. |
| 03:11.39 | AdamWeston | heh |
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| 03:12.49 | pmwilson | sbk: so, i got a drive in there, and booted up w/ a knoppix cd. i've got a grub shell up..... how do i try re-installing the mbr? root (hd0) , setup i can paste the config files too if that would help |
| 03:13.14 | sbk | pmwilson: yep, first paste the config files, seems like that's the safest way |
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| 03:14.36 | pmwilson | sbk: flood, or the paster? |
| 03:14.39 | sbk | pmwilson: also, when you geta chance -- what grub version are you using? Think the error numbers have changed, so want to make sure I have the right code bade |
| 03:14.43 | sbk | pmwilson: #flood |
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| 03:15.34 | Vladi | hi, i emerged xboard and now whenever i try to start i get "xboard: no fonts match pattern -*-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" can this be bcause i compiled xorg-x11 without bitmap-fonts can somone please help!? thx! |
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| 03:16.04 | mwilson | Vladi: Why would anyone here know or care about anything Gentoobie-related? |
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| 03:16.32 | tvn | is smbfs changed to cifs in the Samba 3.x in Sarge ? |
| 03:16.53 | AdamWeston | Where would the C header files be located that match the running kernel? This installer suggests /usr/src/linux/include, but there is no /usr/src/linux. |
| 03:17.08 | Vladi | mwilson, whoops wrong channel :) |
| 03:17.09 | ifup | exit |
| 03:17.22 | dondelelcaro | AdamWeston: they don't exist unless you've installed the appropriate header package. |
| 03:17.26 | mrwill | AdamWeston: you need to install kernel-headers package to get headers, they aren't there by default. |
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| 03:17.38 | AdamWeston | ah ok |
| 03:17.49 | AdamWeston | bbs, thanks for all the help so far |
| 03:17.49 | sbk | pmwilson: didn't get the contents -- if pastebin.com is better, let's try that |
| 03:18.28 | paster | "pmwilson" at 67.10.156.218 pasted "menu.lst" (156 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/142 |
| 03:18.38 | pmwilson | sbk: how's that? |
| 03:18.46 | sbk | pmwilson: looking, one second |
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| 03:22.11 | sbk | pmwilson: hm, looks generally ok -- I'd remove the boot lines |
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| 03:22.27 | sbk | pmwilson: I have something to ask about your bflash and DOS images, but that can wait for later |
| 03:22.44 | tvn | do I still mount samba shared drive as 'smbf's in the samba package in Sarge ? |
| 03:22.47 | sbk | pmwilson: what grub version do you have anyway? (grub --version) |
| 03:22.49 | paster | "pmwilson" at 67.10.156.218 pasted "grub shell setup session" (24 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/143 |
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| 03:23.29 | pmwilson | sbk: 0.95 |
| 03:23.44 | sbk | pmwilson: okay, looking... one moment |
| 03:25.01 | pmwilson | sbk: well, those were the ones i was tring to get working... i'll comment them out. i accidentally installed grub to (hd0,1) instead of just (hd0) ... i'm not sure what the difference is in this case |
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| 03:25.30 | becobaf | anyone know if there are USB audio devices that support 5.1 ? |
| 03:25.33 | sbk | pmwilson: it all looks okay to me, nothing that explains the Error 16 that I can tell. You've managed to install grub on both the partition as well as the MBR :-) but that's a benign problem. You can now officially chainload into grub from the partition :-) |
| 03:25.44 | sbk | pmwilson: remove the boot lines in your menu.lst, just to be safe |
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| 03:26.22 | pmwilson | sbk: which boot lines? the ones after savedefault? |
| 03:26.27 | pmwilson | sbk: ok. |
| 03:26.37 | sbk | pmwilson: yes, that's correct -- the ones after the savedefault |
| 03:26.56 | sbk | pmwilson: well, I think this ought to have taken you at least to the bootdisplay screen |
| 03:27.12 | sbk | pmwilson: but still at a loss to explain the last error... hm. Well, give it a shot, what can I say :-) |
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| 03:27.30 | Pumpkin_Pie | can I reinstall debian with an existing installion? just to fix boot up problems ? |
| 03:28.05 | justin | Pumpkin_Pie: you can also just fix the boot problems. |
| 03:28.12 | sbk | pmwilson: as I understood it, the last time you didn't even get that boot selection screen, is that correct? |
| 03:28.22 | pmwilson | sbk: yes. that is correct |
| 03:28.51 | sbk | pmwilson: hm, wait just a second, just want to think about that for a bit |
| 03:29.06 | sbk | pmwilson: so what's happened is that it didn't even load the second stage (which is on the filesystem) |
| 03:29.11 | pmwilson | sbk: same thing happened. |
| 03:29.23 | pmwilson | sbk: it says GRUB Loading stage1.5. |
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| 03:29.32 | pmwilson | then a couple of blank lines... |
| 03:29.46 | pmwilson | then "GRUB loading, please wait..." |
| 03:29.52 | lopes | ola pessoal tudo bem ? |
| 03:29.53 | pmwilson | "Error 16" |
| 03:30.01 | sbk | pmwilson: yep, that's the place where it's trying to load the second stage, using the filesystem reading code. |
| 03:30.09 | Pumpkin_Pie | justin: I once just copied all the files to another computer and rebooted the 2nd computer and it didn't boot.. this was using grub.. what can I do? |
| 03:30.13 | lopes | sou do Brazil |
| 03:30.16 | lopes | Brazil |
| 03:30.33 | Pumpkin_Pie | sbk? |
| 03:30.36 | sbk | pmwilson: let me poke around the code here, just in case there are any clues. So this filesystem is really ext2fs, right? :-) |
| 03:30.38 | justin | Pumpkin_Pie: install grub |
| 03:30.41 | lopes | hello , Brazil |
| 03:31.00 | Pumpkin_Pie | justin: just reinstall grub on the second computer ? |
| 03:31.09 | keith | Thanks for those who told me about DPMS. I was having trouble with my desktop for ages before trying xchat for help. Once I knew about DPMS it was easy to fix the problem. Thanks all. |
| 03:31.18 | justin | Pumpkin_Pie: according to you, you never installed it in the first place. |
| 03:31.26 | pmwilson | sbk: well... i think it's actually ext3 |
| 03:31.33 | lopes | ola |
| 03:32.00 | sbk | pmwilson: hm... *looks in code* let rootle in here for a bit |
| 03:32.26 | Pumpkin_Pie | justin: I said just install grub on the 2nd computer? |
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| 03:32.46 | Pumpkin_Pie | hi Amaranth |
| 03:33.39 | Pumpkin_Pie | sbk: you there? |
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| 03:33.49 | sbk | Pumpkin_Pie: yep |
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| 03:34.17 | Pumpkin_Pie | sbk: I once just copied all the files to another computer and rebooted the 2nd computer and it didn't boot.. both computers were using grub, what can I do? |
| 03:34.43 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: you didn't run grub on the new computer to install it into the MBR> |
| 03:34.52 | pmwilson | Pumpkin_Pie: you probably need to install grub into the MBR of the new hard drive |
| 03:35.06 | Pumpkin_Pie | how do I do that if it doesn't boot |
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| 03:35.23 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: you boot off of your install media, chroot, then run grub. |
| 03:35.25 | pmwilson | Pumpkin_Pie: use a debian cd or floppy |
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| 03:36.05 | Pumpkin_Pie | ok boot the debian install cd and select "install grub" and thats it? |
| 03:36.18 | Champen | hi. got a problem with plugging in a second hard drive (as secondary master), which has a rh9 linux installed. the primary hd with Linux also gets booted ok, if second one isn't plugged in. but when I plug in the second, the second linux tries to get booted, with errors though. my intent is that the primary (original) linux gets booted. what may be wrong here? |
| 03:36.40 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: no. Boot the debian install cd. drop to a console. mount the drive. chroot into the drive. run grub. |
| 03:36.57 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: exit; unmount the drive; reboot. |
| 03:37.14 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: you've done such? |
| 03:37.40 | Pumpkin_Pie | when I run grub I type "grub" with no flags ? |
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| 03:37.50 | pmwilson | Champen: what linux is hte "original" one? you probably need to change the boot order in your motherboard's BIOS (i.e. hit some key when the computer is booting) |
| 03:38.00 | sbk | pmwilson: very strange -- I see no other place in at least my version of the code that puts the finger at anywhere but the file-system reading code |
| 03:38.23 | k0nlied | hi is it possible to view a vncserver from the same machine, diff user? I get I/O errors with svnc |
| 03:38.29 | sbk | pmwilson: just to be ultra-safe -- you've got the standard debian version of the code, is that correct? |
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| 03:38.46 | Champen | pmwilson: the grub screen that appears is the correct one (from the primary drive), but then the secondary drive linux gets booted |
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| 03:39.20 | sbk | pmwilson: can't be, I guess... stable grub version is 0.91 :) |
| 03:39.22 | Phated | You probably want to edit your GRUB entry... Maybe you have it pointing to the wrong one? |
| 03:39.32 | pmwilson | sbk: hmm... yes, i just used the unstable .deb |
| 03:39.35 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: with lilo, yes. |
| 03:39.45 | pmwilson | sbk: i can try a different one though.. |
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| 03:39.52 | Champen | pmwilson: they're both redhat, but nobody at redhat seems to help. |
| 03:39.55 | user01 | out of curiosity...do those who use java install it from the .bin on sun`s website? |
| 03:39.59 | bonez39 | how do i verify a domain? |
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| 03:40.11 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: what do you mean with lilo? I thought I was using grub |
| 03:40.13 | sbk | pmwilson: *think* I don't want to lead you down a rathole, because I'm not certain what the issue is |
| 03:40.22 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/grub.8.html |
| 03:40.24 | sussudio | <Wartech> maybe -O3 is not a good option on apache? |
| 03:40.25 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 03:40.31 | bonez39 | I registered a new domain yesterday....fyrenice.com but can't connect to apache/mailman running on it now...remotely |
| 03:40.34 | Champen | Phated: heres my grub kernel line: kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.20-30.9smp ro root=LABEL=/ hdb=ide-scsi. is this correct? (primary=hda, secondary=hdc) |
| 03:40.36 | user01 | or is there a deb package for java? |
| 03:40.43 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: you asked if I had done it before, and I said that I had with lilo. Grub is fairly similar, and the process is still the same. |
| 03:40.43 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: it sounded like you were going to say something like that |
| 03:40.54 | sbk | pmwilson: let me check the unstable deb version first, a bit curious... |
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| 03:41.10 | pmwilson | sbk: heh... ok, i'm going to keep fiddling with this |
| 03:41.11 | Pumpkin_Pie | I did it with lilo also but thats just keeping the old fstab |
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| 03:41.20 | Phated | Champen: OK, so why do you have hdb? Change it to hda and try again? |
| 03:41.31 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: the fstab has fuck all to do with the boot loader. |
| 03:41.32 | Champen | Phated: tried but complains |
| 03:41.37 | Phated | Ah. |
| 03:41.52 | Champen | don't remember the error |
| 03:42.06 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: when I copied the drives using lilo I just needed to keep the old fstab and it would always boot |
| 03:42.13 | Champen | (it failed before even to get to start services and stuff) |
| 03:42.16 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: if I didn't keep the old fstab it wouldn't boot |
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| 03:42.20 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: no, it wouldn't. You would still have to rerun lilo. |
| 03:42.32 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: I did not have to run lilo |
| 03:42.41 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: im telling you what worked many times |
| 03:42.45 | user01 | looks like it has to be manually installed... |
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| 03:43.02 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: You have no clue what you're talking about. You have to run lilo to install lilo on the MBR. If you don't (or haven't at some point in time) it's not going to work. |
| 03:43.31 | swoon | ok, need some help here... trying to setup apt-setup to use cdrom (sarge 1 iso) but it says that /dev/cdrom is not a block or something... |
| 03:43.34 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: If you had read and understood what I told you already, you would have solved this problem. Arguing with someone who knows what they're talking about is pointless. |
| 03:43.48 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: I copied the files drive to drive, I kept the old fstab.. I reboot... it works... |
| 03:43.53 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: that was with lilo |
| 03:43.54 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: as it is now, you're just wasting my time. |
| 03:44.02 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: good luck with your problem. |
| 03:44.10 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: you're wrong |
| 03:44.45 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: who here can't boot there machine? Obviously, I don't know what I'm talking about at all. |
| 03:44.50 | swoon | anyone? |
| 03:45.10 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: follow the directions I gave you at the start of this conversation. Save you they can. |
| 03:45.26 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: as far as lilo goes and you saying you "have to run it" under these conditions if you keep the old fstab.. is wrong.. this is something ive done many times with lilo... |
| 03:45.37 | pmwilson | you can't boot from a drive unless there is bootloader... i.e. lilo or grub or something. dondelelcaro is correct. |
| 03:45.51 | Pumpkin_Pie | im telling you what has worked many times.. you are wrong |
| 03:46.03 | Pumpkin_Pie | ive done it three times |
| 03:46.14 | pmwilson | Pumpkin_Pie: then perhaps there was already a bootloader installed on the drive was it a brand new drive |
| 03:46.19 | Pumpkin_Pie | pmwilson: keep the old fstab |
| 03:46.26 | bonez39 | ouch, this is getting ugly in a hurray |
| 03:46.38 | bonez39 | grub never fails me |
| 03:46.41 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: What do you think running lilo does? It installs the MBR onto the drive. If you don't have an MBR, you can't boot. |
| 03:47.16 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: thats fine.. all of your grub details or lilo details im not mentioning.. im telling you what worked |
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| 03:47.35 | dhuv | hello all |
| 03:47.38 | Phated | Why don't you just -try- running it this time, eh? |
| 03:47.54 | Phated | After all your usual method can't be working if you're duking it out with dondelelcaro. |
| 03:48.04 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: it may have worked because you had already run lilo on that machine. That's good for you. Since it's not working now, why not follow my directions? |
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| 03:48.21 | Pumpkin_Pie | im not running lilo now... |
| 03:48.25 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: after all, you're the one with the machine that can't boot here, and I'm one of many people here who knows how grub and lilo works. |
| 03:48.33 | Pumpkin_Pie | using grub not lilo.. not brain surgery to understand that by now |
| 03:48.34 | dondelelcaro | Pumpkin_Pie: yes, which is why we asked you to run grub. |
| 03:48.36 | dhuv | i am able to do gphoto2 --auto-detect and have it see my camera as root but not as a regular user until i chmod the /prob/bus/usb/00* directories as the user |
| 03:48.43 | Pumpkin_Pie | NOT using lilo now... |
| 03:48.45 | dhuv | how do i setup hotplug to do this automatically? |
| 03:49.00 | dondelelcaro | 19:36:42 <dondelelcaro> Pumpkin_Pie: no. Boot the debian install cd. drop to a console. mount the drive. chroot into the drive. run grub. |
| 03:49.23 | dondelelcaro | 13 minutes ago, the answer was given. If you want to debate it, that's great, please do it elsewhere. |
| 03:49.24 | Pumpkin_Pie | dondelelcaro: you are going back and forth between different topics |
| 03:49.28 | lapdog | Hi World |
| 03:50.25 | lapdog | Can You bork a flash disk by dd'ing it? |
| 03:50.33 | dondelelcaro | lapdog: generally speaking, no. |
| 03:50.53 | dondelelcaro | lapdog: but flash drives often have a limited number of writes |
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| 03:51.37 | lapdog | dondelelcaro I zeroed a new one and now I can't create a new partition table. |
| 03:52.00 | dondelelcaro | lapdog: run fdisk /dev/sda; (or whatever the flash disk device is) |
| 03:52.04 | swoon | can anyone please help me, Im trying to use apt to use cdrom sarge1 ? |
| 03:52.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell swoon about ask |
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| 03:52.45 | Jaxalot | I've got a problem. I just upgraded from Woody to Sarge on my laptop, and when the system gets to the part of the loading process where LILO should come up, it only displays the letters "LI" (First two letters of LILO). I followed all the instructions, and I'm not sure how to fix it. |
| 03:52.48 | dondelelcaro | lapdog: you may need to unplug and replug the deevice to get that to work. |
| 03:52.50 | lapdog | dondelelcaro tried both fdisk says unable to open. cfdisck |
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| 03:52.58 | swoon | dondelelcaro I just did ask!! |
| 03:53.17 | dondelelcaro | swoon: you asked if someone could help you. Just ask your question. |
| 03:53.23 | swoon | no I didnt! |
| 03:53.41 | swoon | I asked if someone could tell me how to setup apt to use sarge1 cdrom! |
| 03:53.49 | lapdog | dondelelcaro hotplug is setting it up each time I unplug says its model |
| 03:54.23 | dondelelcaro | swoon: run apt-cdrom; let apt know about the deb packages on the cdrom, if that's what you're asking. |
| 03:54.52 | dondelelcaro | lapdog: hotplug should just be making sure that the usb ms driver is loaded... it shouldn't do anything else... |
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| 03:55.20 | dondelelcaro | lapdog: can you actually read from the appropriate /dev/sdN device? |
| 03:56.59 | mick_laptop_ | dondelelcaro: you jumped on him before reading what he wrote |
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| 03:57.37 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop_: I actually did read it... It sounded like he was asking about an installer question, not how to add deb packages from the first cdrom. |
| 03:57.37 | lapdog | dondelelcaro can't put a filesystem on it. I don't understand |
| 03:57.44 | mick_laptop_ | swoon: man apt-setup |
| 03:58.11 | mick_laptop_ | apt-cdrom * |
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