| 00:00.17 | directhex | kevinv, do you have net access? |
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| 00:00.29 | kevinv | Yes, I am on IRC |
| 00:00.31 | spl0it | directhex: how is he on here? :o lol |
| 00:00.38 | xogon | spl0it: that should be a symlink to the other one |
| 00:00.49 | directhex | kevinv, then /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 00:01.08 | douglas | walnuck , I found a folder called S99xdm, so I deleted that! |
| 00:01.08 | walnuck | peterS: that's a long way..i was thinking if two logins might do the trick of making a stream directly to a file instead.. |
| 00:01.17 | walnuck | douglas: man update-rc.d |
| 00:01.31 | douglas | okey dokey |
| 00:01.32 | walnuck | douglas: to delete xdm-> update-rc.d -f xdm remove |
| 00:01.32 | fishhead | dammit |
| 00:01.39 | fishhead | alejandro pinged out |
| 00:01.41 | fishhead | and hasn't come back |
| 00:01.42 | fishhead | :( |
| 00:01.48 | peterS | walnuck: I can't think how to do that with telnet. with inetd it would not be too hard |
| 00:01.50 | walnuck | douglas: just use the same default Snumber for kdm |
| 00:01.54 | sophacles | does nautilus not play nice with xinerama? |
| 00:01.59 | rep | paulswm: ok, just finished copying and installing grub - just rebooting now |
| 00:01.59 | spl0it | xogon: so XF86Config should point to XF86Config-4? |
| 00:02.12 | xogon | spl0it: if you |
| 00:02.20 | walnuck | peterS: why would inetd make it easier? |
| 00:02.22 | xogon | spl0it: if you're using v4.x |
| 00:02.24 | Mr_Smoke | spl0it, IIRC, XF86Config is for X 3.x and -4 for X 4.x |
| 00:02.30 | paulswm | rep: I thought that mke2fs /dev/hdb2 didn't work |
| 00:02.35 | kevinv | What is with the 'rumour has it' part? |
| 00:02.44 | spl0it | is there a quick a dirty way to check my version? |
| 00:02.59 | peterS | walnuck: because you avoid having to do any cut and paste nonsense, with small enough chunks as not to overflow buffers |
| 00:03.04 | bbrazil | kevinv: its just one of the prefixes blootbot uses |
| 00:03.04 | rep | i rebooted, and then it worked |
| 00:03.07 | Annirak | how do I look at the bash history of a non-root user? |
| 00:03.11 | peterS | walnuck: and you avoid having to use uuencode/uudecode if the target file is not ascii |
| 00:03.18 | guestish | spl0it: of X? X -version |
| 00:03.23 | we2by | is it posible to i nstall perl mods via apt-get |
| 00:03.25 | bbrazil | Annirak: less ~username/.bash_history |
| 00:03.26 | rep | but, i've got the same grub error as before |
| 00:03.28 | walnuck | spl0it: X -version |
| 00:03.35 | xogon | spl0it: check /usr/share/doc/xserver-xfree86/changelog... |
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| 00:03.46 | Annirak | bbrazil file doesn't exist |
| 00:03.56 | bbrazil | Annirak: then they don't have one |
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| 00:04.03 | kevinv | So I can easily upgrade, with this? |
| 00:04.06 | firefly2442 | bye, thanks for all the help :) |
| 00:04.10 | Annirak | bbrazil or it's been deleted |
| 00:04.18 | walnuck | peterS: that's a good sense, but how would telnet let me do that ? |
| 00:04.24 | bbrazil | Annirak: or never created, or they don't use bash |
| 00:04.25 | guestish | xogon: that isnt quick, lol |
| 00:04.32 | douglas | walnuck , it said that update-rc.d is not a command |
| 00:04.34 | douglas | wait |
| 00:04.34 | douglas | nm |
| 00:04.45 | peterS | walnuck: telnet doesn't. telnet lets you in to the remote machine so that you can set up inetd to do it. |
| 00:04.54 | Mr_Smoke | m'off |
| 00:04.55 | Mr_Smoke | nite |
| 00:04.55 | Crell42 | Hm, debian way of installing nvidia. Now, will it function at boot with udev? |
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| 00:04.59 | Annirak | bbrazil: no, I know that they were using bash over ssh |
| 00:05.04 | douglas | walnuck , thanks |
| 00:05.07 | walnuck | peterS: okay, I do not know, how would I do it? |
| 00:05.12 | douglas | walnuck , I'm going to try it now |
| 00:05.19 | paulswm | rep: I thought that your mke2fs /dev/hdb2 didn''t work, that's the last I heard from you |
| 00:05.21 | peterS | walnuck: I'm assuming you have access to 'netcat', which is a Debian package. you wouldn't be talking in this channel if you didn't. so on the local end, you use netcat. on the remote end, you tell inetd to invoke 'dd of=/tmp/foo'. |
| 00:05.23 | walnuck | douglas: yes, don't forget to be root ;-) |
| 00:05.27 | xogon | guestish: but if you're not root it works... |
| 00:05.31 | spl0it | ya its 4.*... startx says its using config file /root/XF86Config <-- huh? |
| 00:05.32 | directhex | kevinv, relatively, yes |
| 00:05.36 | bbrazil | Annirak: no way to get it then. there are ways of not leaving a bash history lying around |
| 00:05.40 | walnuck | douglas: root includes /sbin and /usr/bin |
| 00:06.08 | kevinv | I then, just have to change all the stables to sarge too then? |
| 00:06.11 | walnuck | douglas: i mean /sbin and /usr/sbin should be in root's $PATH (echo $PATH) |
| 00:06.19 | guestish | xogon: X -version works for anyone |
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| 00:06.50 | xogon | guestish: hmm, on this box it complained i wasn't authorized |
| 00:06.53 | walnuck | kevinv: well if you are looking for testing, go ahead, accept some brokeage along the way |
| 00:07.06 | bbrazil | Annirak: in the event that you use process accounting there will be a trail |
| 00:07.16 | pedro27 | #flood retroceder pero ocupa poco |
| 00:07.16 | xogon | guestish: ah, i had --version, not -version |
| 00:07.18 | guestish | xogon: um... |
| 00:07.25 | walnuck | peterS: okay.. got it.. netcat is powerful |
| 00:07.26 | Annirak | bbrazil: I'm guessing that I don't |
| 00:07.34 | guestish | xogon: .. |
| 00:07.38 | xogon | i thought -- was standard for preceeding long option names... |
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| 00:07.53 | walnuck | peterS: but i never found any powerful use to it..this trick might come into handy.. |
| 00:08.02 | bbrazil | Annirak: I'd guess that too. If you know the time they were logged in you could look for files modified around that time to give you some idea |
| 00:08.05 | paulswm | rep: so let's recap: 1. make partitons /dev/hdb1 Linux swap, /dev/hdb2 Linux 2. reboot 3. mkswap /dev/hdb1 4. mke2fs /dev/hdb2 5. mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt 6. cp -ax / /mnt -- is that what you've done so far? |
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| 00:08.21 | peterS | walnuck: do you understand how to use inetd to call dd to produce an output file from network input? |
| 00:08.28 | spl0it | hmm just made symlinks to XF86Config-4, and its loading fine now, confusion = high |
| 00:08.28 | Abnix | don't suppose anyone knows the name of the module I need to get a ITE GigaRAID controller going? |
| 00:08.34 | peterS | walnuck: you have to use dd rather than cat because inetd.conf doesn't allow shell syntax like redirects |
| 00:08.39 | Annirak | bbrazil: I know when they were logged in, and I have several files that they placed on the system |
| 00:08.46 | guestish | xogon: nothing is standard |
| 00:08.56 | bbrazil | Annirak: you been rooted/otherwise attacked? |
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| 00:09.04 | douglas | walnuck , that didn't work, I restarted and still no cigar :( |
| 00:09.07 | rep | yes |
| 00:09.18 | xogon | spl0it: well, maye the startx script is designed to work with whatever version of X, and its up to the maintainer to make the symlink |
| 00:09.36 | xogon | guestish: hehe |
| 00:09.41 | spl0it | xogon: maybe, but I was in X five minutes ago until I tried to install nvidia driver and it failed to reload |
| 00:09.52 | kevinv | Thanks |
| 00:10.01 | Annirak | bbrazil: ssh brute force, yes. But as near as I could tell, they only got non-root access, but were using it to scan other systems, and using the same sshattack there |
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| 00:10.21 | paulswm | rep: and after that you did grub-install /dev/hdb ? |
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| 00:10.41 | rep | grub-install '(hd1)' |
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| 00:10.56 | paulswm | rep: do grub-install /dev/hdb |
| 00:11.01 | douglas | any other suggestions? |
| 00:11.11 | Ugly_Duck | any news on Debmirror yet? as to whether the bug has been fixed? |
| 00:11.17 | paulswm | rep: let me know if grub reported an error |
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| 00:11.25 | rep | no error |
| 00:11.29 | walnuck | peterS: well you were mentioning uuencode, so I guess you can leave netcat listening and dumping to >smuencode.txt while trying to connect to the identd server .. dd something to something |
| 00:11.35 | bbrazil | Annirak: did a human log in? |
| 00:11.41 | rep | gonna reboot and try it again |
| 00:11.54 | paulswm | rep: yes, fingers crossed |
| 00:12.06 | Annirak | bbrazil: I'm not sure. I wouldn't know how to tell. |
| 00:12.22 | peterS | walnuck: the only reason to use uuencode is to transmit binary data through telnet. that was 20 minutes ago. the inetd + dd trick wouldn't need that. |
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| 00:12.47 | walnuck | peterS: well, why reconfigure services? |
| 00:12.51 | spl0it | what should the permissions on /tmp/.X11-unix be?? who should be owner/group?? |
| 00:13.04 | bbrazil | Annirak: just wondering. I can't think of any way to track what they were doing |
| 00:13.05 | peterS | walnuck: feel free to come up with a better way to invoke dd from a network socket |
| 00:13.16 | peterS | walnuck: without using netcat on the remote end, because you probably don't have it installed |
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| 00:13.43 | Annirak | bbrazil they had about 50 instances of "sshf" running. It appears to be the brute-forcer they use |
| 00:13.45 | peterS | walnuck: if you had netcat on the other end, we wouldn't be having this conversation. you would have just used that at both ends |
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| 00:13.49 | bbrazil | doesn't gawk support urls of the form tcp://... ? |
| 00:13.56 | guestish | peterS: what is the point of netcat? |
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| 00:14.15 | rep | ok, instead of displaying "GRUB" it shows "L 01" |
| 00:14.26 | doub | spl0it: here it's root root, 777+sticky to other |
| 00:14.30 | walnuck | peterS: well I was mentioning two telnets, but I'm not sure how to capture a telnet's buffer..so instead of the limitted telnet progie, maybe a better telnet client's buffer can be the alternative... well its a little messy..but what's would your dd line say? |
| 00:14.31 | peterS | guestish: netcat is useful any time you need to create network connections (TCP or UDP) from shell scripts, without having to write C or Perl programs to do it |
| 00:14.52 | paulswm | rep: hang on |
| 00:15.06 | peterS | walnuck: yes, a telnet program but better suited to the purpose at hand. like, for example, netcat. we've already been there. |
| 00:15.14 | guestish | peterS: um...ok i guess |
| 00:15.48 | spl0it | doub: thanks |
| 00:15.54 | peterS | guestish: I use netcat as a file transfer protocol when I don't feel like letting people upload to a local FTP server (which I don't) and DCC does not work |
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| 00:16.06 | walnuck | peterS: I'm assuming you're playing with 8> whatever level streams there are.. I never played with those enumerators |
| 00:16.08 | Crell42 | Why does apt keep saying that? |
| 00:16.22 | guestish | peterS: i dunno how you would do something like that |
| 00:16.25 | paulswm | rep: that's a lilo error. you're aren't using lilo, are you? |
| 00:16.33 | guestish | peterS: how would you do it? |
| 00:16.39 | hhstnoc | he says it whenever someone logged in as root enters the channel |
| 00:16.53 | rep | no, definately using grub |
| 00:17.06 | peterS | walnuck: I've never actually done this. if I needed to, this is the line I would use in inetd.conf: pop2 stream tcp nowait dd /bin/dd of=/tmp/foo |
| 00:17.13 | rep | only the error is still on when i switch back to the old disk |
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| 00:17.21 | peterS | walnuck: where /bin/dd is the actual path to your dd program - may differ on non-debian unixes |
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| 00:17.57 | peterS | guestish: simple. I run 'nc -l -p 1337 < /dev/null > /tmp/foo' then tell the other person on irc to do "telnet 64.123.112.211 1337 < /the/filename/in/question" |
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| 00:18.09 | rparker | how do I tell my computer what DNS server to use? I added it to resolv.conf, but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 00:18.37 | paulswm | rep: well that's odd because you shouldn't have changed the old disk at all |
| 00:18.39 | peterS | guestish: that is how I used to get people to send me config files and such when I needed to look at them and they were too big to paste in #flood and the other person had no webspace or anything and was behind a NAT firewall so couldn't use DCC |
| 00:18.42 | FieldySnuts | rparker: make sure the format is right, man resolv.conf |
| 00:18.50 | doub | rparker: the syntax is "nameserver <ip>" |
| 00:19.03 | spl0it | okay weird, XF86's log says nvidia setting resolution to 1024x768 yet I know its 800x600 and it looks like crap, and glxinfo and glxgears both fail.. whats going on? |
| 00:19.08 | paulswm | paulswm: what are you doing with jumpers? do you have them set to 'cable select'? |
| 00:19.30 | directhex | spl0it, you failed to install the driver correctly. did you use nvidia-installer? |
| 00:19.31 | guestish | peterS: i see, so you basically cat it over a telnet connection |
| 00:19.36 | paulswm | rep: what are you doing with jumpers? do you have them set to 'cable select'? |
| 00:19.57 | rep | no, i've got them set to master and slave |
| 00:19.57 | walnuck | peterS: that doesn't look bad... i wonder what good is that, I like the fact that telnet can be used very similarly with html pages and http headers for testing webservers.. |
| 00:19.59 | rparker | does resolv.conf use #'s as comments? |
| 00:20.02 | peterS | guestish: telnet happens to work as a netcat client, for text files. I would not trust it for arbitrary binary data. |
| 00:20.08 | rparker | cause otherwise I'm pretty sure it's right |
| 00:20.13 | guestish | peterS: ok, so you have to uuencode it? |
| 00:20.25 | peterS | walnuck: the reason telnet can be used for http is that the http protocol was explicitly specified to be telnet-compatible |
| 00:20.27 | paulswm | rep: so when you switch the disks, are you switching the jumpers or the cables? |
| 00:20.29 | walnuck | peterS: I mean "not" similarly, but you get what i mean.. |
| 00:20.31 | peterS | guestish: that, or use a real netcat |
| 00:20.35 | doub | spl0it: is the desktop moving while your mouse reaches the corners? |
| 00:20.38 | guestish | peterS: heh |
| 00:20.42 | sgeigerb`` | I'd like to make a file exactly 500MB in size, but when I run my command ("dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/hda4/ext3_rootfs bs=524288000 count=1") I get "dd: memory exhausted". I considered making a couple smaller files with dd and then doing "for i in `seq 4`; do cat file1 >> file1" ...and that would work, but it is dog slow (probably because the reads and writes are occurring on the same disk. Does anyone have a better way? |
| 00:20.46 | guestish | peterS: so netcat can send and recieve? |
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| 00:20.52 | peterS | guestish: but when I'm getting people to send me config files, I just need to be able to read them as text. arbitrary binary data doesn't enter into that use |
| 00:20.58 | peterS | guestish: netcat can send and receive, yes. |
| 00:21.05 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: use a smaller bs - thst trying to allocate 50MB of memory |
| 00:21.12 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: that is |
| 00:21.26 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: haha! That's it. |
| 00:21.28 | rep | paulswm: i switch both the cables and the jumpers to match the cables |
| 00:21.48 | doub | sgeigerb``: do it the other way around (ie bs=1 count=whatever size) |
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| 00:21.59 | ec | ;/ |
| 00:22.03 | sgeigerb`` | doub: nice. |
| 00:22.04 | doub | sgeigerb``: though it'd be faster with bigger bs |
| 00:22.06 | bbrazil | doub: that could take forever |
| 00:22.07 | rparker | and is there anything I need to do after I change resolv.conf? any processes that need to be restarted or anything? |
| 00:22.26 | dvs | rparker: nope |
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| 00:22.37 | walnuck | sgeigerb``: well I think cat can do the same with /dev devices... you can try that if you want. |
| 00:22.48 | paulswm | rep: are you sure you've got your old disk as the master when you just tried to recover |
| 00:22.55 | guestish | peterS: why do you have the /dev/null thing? |
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| 00:23.21 | peterS | guestish: to prevent netcat at my end from waiting for me to type data to be sent to the other end |
| 00:23.32 | paulswm | rep: its really easier just to set the jumpers to cable select, then you just have to switch the cable |
| 00:23.35 | sgeigerb`` | xen.sf.net <-- very cool |
| 00:23.47 | sgeigerb`` | (I'm using it right now...) |
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| 00:23.53 | rep | definately set to the old disk |
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| 00:24.02 | directhex | sgeigerb``, is that the .msi mastering tool from ms? |
| 00:24.31 | doub | directhex: it's a virtualization system, to let you run multiple oses in parallel |
| 00:24.40 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: Ah, no...I've heard a little about that, though. I think that's .xen? or something like that? |
| 00:24.53 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: see the web site. |
| 00:25.20 | paulswm | rep: are you on another Linux box right now? |
| 00:25.35 | rep | what do you mean? |
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| 00:25.53 | xogon | sgeigerb``: isn't that like VMWare? |
| 00:25.57 | paulswm | rep: well if your box won't boot, you must be using another one to talk to me :) |
| 00:26.02 | doub | bbrazil: i heard there is a faster way with skip, or something like that |
| 00:26.06 | tinman | what is the newest ver of deb? r4? |
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| 00:26.22 | sgeigerb`` | xogon: like vmware esx server |
| 00:26.25 | rparker | thanks, got it goin |
| 00:26.26 | directhex | tinman, 3.0 is the latest stable, but that's not the whole story |
| 00:26.28 | sgeigerb`` | xogon: ...the high-end vmware. |
| 00:26.30 | guestish | peterS: oh, cool |
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| 00:26.39 | rep | paulswm: yeah, i'm using a different box |
| 00:26.44 | sgeigerb`` | xogon: huge potential. I'm actually using it... IT WORKS. |
| 00:26.51 | paulswm | rep: is it a linux box or not |
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| 00:26.56 | guestish | peterS: i always thought that /dev/null was the blackhole and /dev/zero was the one w/ data |
| 00:27.02 | sgeigerb`` | xogon: I had to jump over hurdles to install it, but it was worth it. |
| 00:27.10 | sgeigerb`` | xogon: ...and it will only get better. |
| 00:27.16 | peterS | guestish: correct. /dev/zero gives you an infinite stream of zeroes, /dev/null gives you "end of file" right away |
| 00:27.29 | peterS | guestish: redirecting data *to* /dev/zero is the same as /dev/null |
| 00:27.34 | doub | sgeigerb``: the only problem being you can't run any os you want |
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| 00:27.43 | guestish | peterS: ah, ok, so it doesnt send anything to netcat, just tells it not to wair |
| 00:27.44 | guestish | er, wait |
| 00:27.54 | sgeigerb`` | doub: Eventually they will do full virtualization--and then you will be able to run unmodified OSs. |
| 00:27.54 | spl0it | doub: uhm no, actually it is the right res (1024x768) but glxinfo and glxgears both fail, and it looks very grainy |
| 00:27.57 | peterS | it tells it the input is finished |
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| 00:28.04 | guestish | k |
| 00:28.17 | sgeigerb`` | doub: I mostly run Linux anyway...so I am very happy. |
| 00:28.26 | rep | paulswm: i'm speaking to you on a dual-boot windows/debian box, and trying to fix a single boot debian box |
| 00:28.41 | paulswm | rep: ok |
| 00:28.43 | sgeigerb`` | doub: ...and have you seen the price of ESX server? GSX, a step down the ladder, costs $3000-3500. |
| 00:28.45 | doub | spl0it: looks like you're in a low depth mode, like 8 bit. what does xdpyinfo say? |
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| 00:28.53 | xogon | sgeigerb``: is that like having a blade server without actually having blades? |
| 00:29.01 | walnuck | xogon: can you install another linux embedded and fiddle around with it? |
| 00:29.09 | sgeigerb`` | xogon: See for yourself! :-) |
| 00:29.19 | paulswm | rep: so make a grub floppy from your box there, and then we'll edit the floppy, you got a blank floppy? |
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| 00:29.20 | sgeigerb`` | xogon: limitless test machines... |
| 00:29.21 | bbrazil | doub: for creating spares files, yes |
| 00:29.26 | rep | yes |
| 00:29.31 | walnuck | sgeigerb``: : can you install another linux embedded and fiddle around with it? |
| 00:29.34 | sgeigerb`` | xogon: jailing. |
| 00:29.47 | bbrazil | doub: the file will be 500MB, but it won't take up 500MB |
| 00:29.52 | rep | paulswm: be back in 5 |
| 00:29.52 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: "embedded" means what? |
| 00:29.55 | spl0it | doub: looks like its set to 8bits for some reason |
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| 00:30.19 | xogon | sgeigerb``: are you running this just on one box or across several? |
| 00:30.24 | doub | sgeigerb``: of course, if you look this way |
| 00:30.45 | paulswm | rep: I'm running out of time |
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| 00:30.49 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: Any linux in a filesystem can become a virtual machine. It's that easy. All the changes actually occur in the "domain0"--the OS installation where you install the Xen tools and kernel. |
| 00:31.18 | walnuck | sgeigerb``: i mean was have you tried a distro install with it? |
| 00:31.21 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: So, you can literally turn "real machines" into virtual ones without modification (but the kernel in those real machines doesn't get used). |
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| 00:31.36 | doub | spl0it: look in your XF86Config, you'll have a "DefaultDepth" line somewhere, change it to a bigger one |
| 00:31.37 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: Any linux would work. |
| 00:31.52 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: Only the kernel is in any way different. |
| 00:31.55 | walnuck | sgeigerb``: what about vmware and bochs ? |
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| 00:32.12 | walnuck | sgeigerb``: i always had a problem with bochs.. |
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| 00:32.34 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: see the performance page of xen.sf.net to see info on how fast xen is compared to vmware. I think bochs is slower than vmware...not even as fast as uml. |
| 00:32.42 | roopi | you from where??? |
| 00:32.44 | doub | walnuck: xen is way faster, it's not an emulator. if you have only one OS running, it's as fast as without it |
| 00:32.59 | directhex | sgeigerb``, bochs is abysmal for performance. qemu is much better |
| 00:33.02 | roopi | you from where??? |
| 00:33.03 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: They have good pages on that site. |
| 00:33.07 | spl0it | doub: it was commented out for some reason |
| 00:33.08 | walnuck | doub: well it sounds neat.. maybe I'll fiddle around with it.. |
| 00:33.08 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: read them. |
| 00:33.09 | The_Vulture | roopi: stop that |
| 00:33.10 | spl0it | going to try and restart now |
| 00:33.31 | roopi | ïèäàðàñû!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 00:33.48 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: I believe you. qemu is the only emulator that seems reasonable in speed. It is used for colinux...which is kind of nifty if you run Windows. |
| 00:34.07 | roopi | ayyyy |
| 00:34.27 | spl0it | doub: when I did alt-ctrl-backspace it threw me out to xinit: connection to X server lost. |
| 00:34.35 | directhex | sgeigerb``, though on the proprietary front, vmware 5 beta kinda rocks. for what it does, at least. xen sounds impressive |
| 00:34.50 | roopi | áëÿ. ïèäàðàñû |
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| 00:35.04 | roopi | ï è ä à ð à ñ û |
| 00:35.05 | roopi | =) |
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| 00:35.55 | DebianTUX | directhex, vmware 5 ? hum.. i home it run beos with color :-) |
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| 00:35.55 | xogon | ah the wonders of /ignore |
| 00:35.55 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: I don't want flash. I was solid performance. xen scratches my itch well...and is open source. Support open source; support freedom. |
| 00:35.55 | directhex | DebianTUX, i haven't tried, now that you mention it |
| 00:35.55 | abrotman | let me guess .. no ops around? |
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| 00:35.55 | roopi | áëÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ |
| 00:36.03 | roopi | îòâåòü ìíå ñóêè !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:36.05 | roopi | =))))) |
| 00:36.08 | jvw | helix: ! |
| 00:36.09 | abrotman | roopi: go away tard |
| 00:36.11 | sgeigerb`` | ElectricElf: hey, we need an op |
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| 00:36.14 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ppp83-237-242-5.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] by helix |
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| 00:36.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 00:36.21 | directhex | !win helix |
| 00:36.22 | jvw | helix: tnx |
| 00:36.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, helix! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:36.28 | benjami | how to configure the default window-manager? i just see the grey screen after the gdm login |
| 00:36.31 | abrotman | how did you know she was so close? |
| 00:36.34 | directhex | i was about to try out !ops roopi for being an arse |
| 00:36.36 | akusarujin | doesn't dpkg have an ops factoid? |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:36.47 | sgeigerb`` | !ops |
| 00:36.48 | dpkg | hmm... ops is please use ops <problem> so the ops know why you have summoned them |
| 00:36.48 | peterS | did I just see someone get banned for not using UTF-8? |
| 00:37.00 | abrotman | nice |
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| 00:37.10 | sgeigerb`` | abrotman: yeah, that is. |
| 00:37.10 | doub | spl0it: that's the expected behavior, it kills the X server |
| 00:37.11 | directhex | peterS, that wasn't meaningful utf-8 |
| 00:37.11 | jvw | peterS: also for doing some ctcp stuff or something |
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| 00:37.15 | spl0it | oh okay |
| 00:37.20 | spl0it | okay loads in higher rez now |
| 00:37.22 | spl0it | brb |
| 00:37.23 | peterS | directhex: I know it wasn't. it was iso-8859-1 |
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| 00:37.43 | peterS | directhex: utf-8 would have looked like <roopi> áëÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ |
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| 00:37.58 | abrotman | that's what i saw |
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| 00:38.12 | xogon | benjami: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and run 'gdmconfig' |
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| 00:38.25 | directhex | !tell davidcsi about msg |
| 00:38.29 | cafuego | ñóêè? |
| 00:38.42 | rep__ | paulswm: i'm now in debian, but grub-floppy doesn't work |
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| 00:38.46 | peterS | cafuego: careful, you'll get in trouble with the charset police |
| 00:38.50 | xogon | oh gosh. its contaigous |
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| 00:39.07 | rep__ | error: cab't find /lib/grub/*-*/stage1, aborting |
| 00:39.17 | paulswm | rep__: you are in debian on which box |
| 00:39.27 | rep__ | the dual boot |
| 00:39.27 | alejandro_ | abrotman, now it possible that you are right :( my old mobo works...and the new one doesn't even start the power suply... |
| 00:39.35 | abrotman | alejandro_: i win? |
| 00:39.52 | alejandro_ | maybe... |
| 00:39.54 | alejandro_ | :( |
| 00:39.57 | xogon | £¤¥ |
| 00:39.59 | paulswm | rep__: do you use grub on that box? |
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| 00:40.01 | walnuck | anyone knows if there are >4.7gb dvd write drives out yet? |
| 00:40.07 | rep__ | yes |
| 00:40.19 | sgeigerb`` | rep__: Are those SATA? |
| 00:40.20 | krenin | dual layer dvd writers |
| 00:40.21 | alejandro_ | walnuck, double layer |
| 00:40.21 | paulswm | rep__: K, hang on |
| 00:40.23 | walnuck | rep__: i heard some rumours about it.. |
| 00:40.28 | alejandro_ | i have one... |
| 00:40.34 | sgeigerb`` | rep__: I withdraw the question. |
| 00:40.37 | hhstnoc | man whos this roopi character? |
| 00:40.40 | walnuck | alejandro_: oya? what brand? |
| 00:40.44 | alejandro_ | nec |
| 00:40.53 | alejandro_ | 16x |
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| 00:41.11 | directhex | !win davidcsi for running gaim as root |
| 00:41.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, davidcsi for running gaim as root! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 00:41.22 | walnuck | alejandro_: um, I don't think so.. >4.7? |
| 00:41.29 | alejandro_ | 8.5 |
| 00:41.42 | walnuck | alejandro_: what model? |
| 00:41.47 | alejandro_ | uhmmm |
| 00:41.50 | alejandro_ | let me see |
| 00:41.51 | directhex | walnuck, yes, they've been out for ages, and cost about £50 |
| 00:41.59 | directhex | walnuck, the media is very expensive though |
| 00:42.01 | benjami | xogon "gdmconfig" cannot open display |
| 00:42.07 | walnuck | directhex: well the ones I heard of was supposed to support 17gb.. |
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| 00:42.11 | ApEtc | walnuck: DL drives have been around for awhile, blank discs are still expensive |
| 00:42.12 | abrotman | directhex: that's special .. like special ed |
| 00:42.16 | abrotman | davidcsi: stop doing that |
| 00:42.16 | paulswm | rep__: ls /lib/grub |
| 00:42.17 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: It's too bad there isn't something with more powers than root...so that people could use that. I mean like something that would be more powerful and be able to do things like tell people your every credit card number... |
| 00:42.17 | hhstnoc | lol |
| 00:42.29 | xogon | benjami: you must run 'xhost + localhost' then su |
| 00:42.30 | alejandro_ | walnuck, nd 3500ag |
| 00:42.40 | cafuego | walnuck: They're called Dual layer (DL) drives. And Yes, they've been out for a long time. Too bad 9GB discs tend to be hard to get. (and expensive) |
| 00:42.41 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: When such a thing arrives, people will be stupid about it. /me thinks: Passport |
| 00:42.44 | xogon | benjami: then gdmconfig |
| 00:42.46 | walnuck | alejandro_: i heard the 17gb were supposed to be coming out.. |
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| 00:42.57 | rep__ | i get i386-pc |
| 00:42.59 | directhex | walnuck, dvd is 4.5gb per layer, up to 2 layers per side, up to 2 sides per disk. more than that isn't possible with regular dvd |
| 00:43.08 | rep__ | and there is a file stage1 in i386-pc |
| 00:43.10 | paulswm | rep__: ls /lib/grub/i386-pc |
| 00:43.13 | directhex | sgeigerb``, passport has been withdrawn, except for ms.com pages |
| 00:43.24 | walnuck | directhex: well its one of those research-ad campaigns.. |
| 00:43.26 | cafuego | walnuck: Unless they're fully compatible with 4.7/9GB discs, they won't take off for a while, and thus probably stay quite expensive. |
| 00:43.29 | paulswm | rep__: we'll do this the hard way |
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| 00:43.43 | jariep1_ | How do I mount cdrom in console? |
| 00:43.47 | alejandro_ | yes, 8.5x2=17gb ==> 2 sides and dual layer... |
| 00:44.04 | sgeigerb`` | What's the word on changes to DVD burners this year in the US? Aren't burners going to be changes so that they will be unable to make backup copies of DVDs? |
| 00:44.12 | ApEtc | walnuck: HD-DVD is supposed to be around 15GB, but I don't know of any writers (or any readers, really) that support it |
| 00:44.17 | paulswm | rep__: cd /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc |
| 00:44.26 | benjami | xogon "xhost" unable to open display |
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| 00:44.40 | cafuego | sgeigerb``: Wh4t h4ppn3dx0rz to y00r n|c< d00d? |
| 00:44.46 | walnuck | ApEtc: is that the new dvd proposal? |
| 00:44.52 | xogon | benjami: xhost + localhost |
| 00:44.58 | paulswm | rep__: assuming your floppy is /dev/fd0: dd if=stage1 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:45.05 | dvs | walnuck: one of them |
| 00:45.06 | sgeigerb`` | cafuego: Bobbitized. |
| 00:45.10 | xogon | benjami: then su <enter> |
| 00:45.15 | rep__ | there is no /usr/lib/grub |
| 00:45.17 | benjami | xogon with running xserver? |
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| 00:45.21 | cafuego | xogon: You sure there should be a space between '+' and 'localhost' ? |
| 00:45.29 | knt | how can i re-size the line length of ps output ("COL[S]=1000 ps" didn't work) |
| 00:45.32 | xogon | cafuego: yes |
| 00:45.35 | cafuego | sgeigerbobbitt? |
| 00:45.37 | ApEtc | walnuck: It's _A_ new proposal. There's a few out there |
| 00:45.41 | paulswm | rep__: sorry I meant /lib/grub/i386-pc |
| 00:45.45 | xogon | cafuego: i even have it in my .xsession since i use it so often |
| 00:46.00 | paulswm | rep__: then assuming your floppy is /dev/fd0: dd if=stage1 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:46.14 | cafuego | xogon: Ok, it's just that i always sued to use it without. (And now I use sudo, so xhost is surplus to requirements) |
| 00:46.16 | jariep1_ | can someone tell me the command to mount a cdrom in a shell? |
| 00:46.21 | sgeigerb`` | cafuego: Here's a tip for you (pun intended): Don't ever date a woman who has ever cut off a man's penis. |
| 00:46.33 | benjami | xogon "xhost + localhost" ? |
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| 00:46.44 | walnuck | f** standard wars are a wreck for understanding.. i just starting learning how to make my god dam boot dvds.. |
| 00:46.53 | xogon | cafuego: can sudo <x-app> work without xhost + ? |
| 00:47.02 | cafuego | xogon: it always does. |
| 00:47.06 | paulswm | rep__: lemme know when you've done that |
| 00:47.09 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use |
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| 00:47.13 | xogon | cafuego: ah neat |
| 00:47.19 | walnuck | sgeigerb``: bobbit is back? wow! |
| 00:47.31 | rep__ | paulswm: done that |
| 00:47.40 | rep__ | transferred 512 bytes |
| 00:47.43 | cafuego | xogon: You can swrapper it with say gksudo so X will display a nice dialog for your password, instead of needing a terminal. |
| 00:47.46 | paulswm | rep__: dd if=stage2 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 seek=1 |
| 00:48.00 | cafuego | xogon: There's also always 'ssh -X otheruser@localhost' |
| 00:48.22 | cafuego | xogon: see also 'sux'. |
| 00:48.23 | xogon | cafuego: i know that trick. very, very useful |
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| 00:48.25 | rep__ | done |
| 00:48.27 | abrotman | elnovato: i'm starting to think you have a problem |
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| 00:48.38 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: acsh xbase-clients | grep xhost |
| 00:48.45 | davidcsi | finally! |
| 00:48.47 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost |
| 00:48.53 | paulswm | rep__: on your other PC, set it up with the **new** drive as ***/dev/hda*** i.e. master |
| 00:49.02 | abrotman | davidcsi: you shouldn't run X as root |
| 00:49.15 | walnuck | anyone here ever compile wxpython? |
| 00:49.23 | paulswm | rep__: and boot it with the floppy |
| 00:49.34 | rep__ | paulswm: i don't know what you mean |
| 00:49.38 | davidcsi | can anyone help me out with an usb/usb-storage problem? (newbie) |
| 00:49.41 | xogon | cafuego: i could also have me ALL:ALL(ALL) nopaswd in sudoers ;) |
| 00:49.47 | FabFidenza | i have trouble to start the x server. can u tell me where is stred the config file? i am afraid to have set a wrong video card |
| 00:49.50 | abrotman | !tell davidcsi about usb-storage |
| 00:49.55 | abrotman | !u |
| 00:49.55 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you'. See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:50.05 | abrotman | !dx FabFidenza |
| 00:50.07 | paulswm | rep__: the PC wer're trying to fix: put the new drive as the master so it'll be /dev/hda |
| 00:50.09 | abrotman | hmmmm |
| 00:50.12 | abrotman | what was it? |
| 00:50.19 | FabFidenza | !dx? |
| 00:50.19 | dpkg | fabfidenza: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:50.22 | rep__ | ok |
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| 00:50.44 | cafuego | !u =~ s/'you'./'you' (formal singular)./ |
| 00:50.45 | dpkg | cafuego: OK |
| 00:50.46 | paulswm | rep__: then boot with the floppy, lemme know when grub comes up |
| 00:50.54 | FabFidenza | dpkg: i try now, thank you |
| 00:50.54 | dpkg | wish i knew, FabFidenza |
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| 00:50.59 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh X11 forwarding instead. |
| 00:51.07 | abrotman | dpkg: you're so smart |
| 00:51.07 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, abrotman |
| 00:51.23 | sgeigerb`` | abrotman: apt-get moo |
| 00:51.24 | zinx | sgeig: or xauth, depending on what you're trying to do |
| 00:51.25 | rep__ | grub is up |
| 00:51.25 | zignig | sgeigerb``: have you had you bot-itude removed ? |
| 00:51.28 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:51.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 00:51.38 | walnuck | sgeigerb``: have you tested any m$ platform games, there's a drive for running wingames on linux |
| 00:51.48 | abrotman | walnuck: i'd rather not |
| 00:51.50 | cafuego | abrotman: Note 'apt-rpm moo' :-) |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | cafuego: it works? |
| 00:52.04 | The_Vulture | cafuego: and aptitude moo |
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| 00:52.12 | cafuego | abrotman: I checked the source, it's in there. |
| 00:52.19 | cafuego | aptitude moo is lame |
| 00:52.21 | walnuck | abrotman: well it might be a worthcause there's many attempts..it's driving more companies to compile to linux and encourage user-transition |
| 00:52.23 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm shocked .. |
| 00:52.25 | The_Vulture | cafuego: I like it :) |
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| 00:52.33 | allgood | i'm needing to test a sip phone... can somebody call me? |
| 00:52.37 | cafuego | No moo is BAD moo! |
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| 00:52.38 | allgood | sip:2200@wiredway.com.br |
| 00:52.43 | benjami | sgeigerb`` ssh X11? |
| 00:52.53 | paulswm | rep__: root (hd0,1) |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | walnuck: i don't want win32 apps in linux .. it treats linux like a second rate citizen |
| 00:52.54 | sgeigerb`` | walnuck: I dont' do games |
| 00:53.01 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: ssh x11 forwarding |
| 00:53.10 | walnuck | abrotman: i didn't say "apps", I said "games" |
| 00:53.18 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: In /etc/ssh/sshd_config you will have to enable X11 forwarding by changing onlyt the first of these three properties: X11Forswarding yes|no X11DisplayOffset n XauthLocation path (specifies the default path to the xauth program binary) I mention the other two only because they are closely related. |
| 00:53.18 | abrotman | walnuck: games are apps .. entertainment apps |
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| 00:53.30 | rep__ | paulswm: i've got a grub command prompt |
| 00:53.57 | paulswm | rep__: did you type 'root (hd0,1)' |
| 00:53.57 | walnuck | abrotman: games are not important, they're for entertainment for the linux clueless.. people want "games" that's why they run windows |
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| 00:54.12 | abrotman | walnuck: i haven't bought a PC game since .. i think Mafia or MOH:AA .. i buy PS2 games now .. thier loss |
| 00:54.13 | peterS | tetrinet is very important |
| 00:54.23 | benjami | sgeigerb`` i just want my gnome back, i have nothing changed.. |
| 00:54.27 | directhex | abrotman, mohaa has a linux client... |
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| 00:54.40 | abrotman | i mean jeez . how hard would it be to port something like RCT |
| 00:54.46 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: Then when you log in with ssh you add "-X" like this: "ssh -X benjamin@secretagent.cia.gov" |
| 00:54.47 | abrotman | directhex: never tried it |
| 00:54.49 | drac | walnuck: nah, games are important. i like playing enemy territory, doom 3 and soldier of fortune on my linux. |
| 00:54.50 | paulswm | rep__: ?? |
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| 00:54.59 | rep__ | paulswm: no such partition |
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| 00:55.07 | abrotman | directhex: do i have to buy seperately? |
| 00:55.26 | paulswm | rep__: type: find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 00:55.32 | directhex | abrotman, www.icculus.org |
| 00:55.38 | walnuck | drac: well not to me, but for killing ms$ it takes change and transition..there's a lot of projects attempting this with some success... |
| 00:55.42 | directhex | abrotman, or possibly more useful, www.liflg.org |
| 00:55.43 | allgood | anybody here can make a sip call to me? |
| 00:55.53 | pingouiin | drac : what is you comp ? ghz ? cpu ? mem ? graphic card ? doom3 run well ? |
| 00:55.53 | abrotman | directhex: it's beta .. pass |
| 00:55.56 | rep__ | paulswm: (hd1,1) |
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| 00:56.18 | python | hi |
| 00:56.21 | python | is anyone hear |
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| 00:56.26 | RainbowW | is there a debian package that will play non-encrypted dvds? |
| 00:56.30 | drac | pingouiin: athlon 2200+, 512mb, geforce5 128mb. yes it works well. |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | directhex: http://icculus.org/~ravage/mohaa/ |
| 00:56.42 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: ok...I'm sorry...I thought you were doing something slightly different. |
| 00:56.50 | python | ogle |
| 00:57.01 | directhex | abrotman, indeed |
| 00:57.03 | abrotman | RainbowW: totem and libdvdread3 or something like that |
| 00:57.16 | abrotman | directhex: i dont' realy have much interest in playing it anymore .. |
| 00:57.19 | paulswm | rep__: ok, that;s your old disk. It looks like nothing's on your new one, at least not as it should be. switch your old disk back to master and reboot (try without the floppy first) |
| 00:57.24 | drac | walnuck: enemy territory is free game, but i've paid for doom 3 and soldier to support them to make games for linux. |
| 00:57.27 | rep__ | should i enter "root (hd1,1)"? |
| 00:57.29 | walnuck | RainbowW: apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
| 00:57.38 | abrotman | walnuck: that's not in debian |
| 00:57.40 | drac | or engourage |
| 00:57.51 | rep__ | paulswm: the old disk isn't plugged in at the moment |
| 00:58.17 | dvs | rep__: switch the jumper to master on the new disk |
| 00:58.33 | zinx | walnuck: entertainment isn't important? you must live in a very sad world. |
| 00:58.34 | paulswm | rep__: then you don't have your new disk set up as the masterm becuase it should be saying 'dh0,1' not hd1,1 - check your cables and jumpers |
| 00:58.44 | paulswm | *hd |
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| 00:59.12 | paulswm | rep__: and keep the old one unplugged |
| 00:59.16 | python | i just installed realplayer but every time i tell it to play it just quits i know my sound is confiugered corectly becoulse i xmms works fine |
| 00:59.27 | python | dous anyone have any idea y |
| 00:59.30 | abrotman | which RP? |
| 01:00.21 | python | i am using 10 |
| 01:00.35 | benjami | sgeigerb`` nothing happens after "ssh -X benjamin@localhost" |
| 01:00.36 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: ...but back to vmware5: What's so great about it that you aren't interested in something that you can run on any machine (reguardless of memory requirements or financial limitations) that is fast and reliable? |
| 01:00.51 | abrotman | python: well .. works for me .. how did oyu install it? |
| 01:00.53 | paulswm | rep__: if it's confuding, just set the jumper to cable select and put the drive on the *end* connector |
| 01:01.01 | paulswm | *confusing |
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| 01:01.14 | python | just used the biary installer |
| 01:01.37 | python | so i typed sudo ./RealPlayer10GOLD.bin |
| 01:01.40 | sgeigerb`` | benjami: After you run that command, you might want to try running a gui application. Type "gimp" or something...and if you configured the ssh server correctly (and restarted it, IIRC), then gimp will show up on your screen. |
| 01:01.58 | doub | python: no need to install it as root |
| 01:02.03 | directhex | sgeigerb``, i never said i wasn't interested in it, but largely i'm just laxy |
| 01:02.05 | directhex | *lazy |
| 01:02.16 | poseur | hello, is there spyware supporting GNU/Linux, debian in particular? |
| 01:02.25 | dvs | hope not |
| 01:02.27 | azreal | which word processor app can load m$ word docs? |
| 01:02.38 | zignig | azreal: open office |
| 01:02.40 | doub | azreal: openoffice |
| 01:02.40 | bbrazil | azreal: openoffice, abiword |
| 01:02.41 | abrotman | python: i can tell you that i apparently used alien on the RPM .. works fine |
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| 01:02.46 | azreal | ok |
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| 01:02.55 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: It's not so hard to set up...and, man, it is sweet. |
| 01:02.59 | python | ok ill give that a try |
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| 01:03.21 | rep__ | paulswm: no, i know what the cables mean |
| 01:03.24 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: It's kind of a pain to troubleshoot the problems...but I've gotten through many of them already...and I'm here to answer questions. |
| 01:03.31 | guk | greycat: hey ... I got it working ... :D no more HDD fuckups ... used some "disktools" program ... it scanned the partition and fixed the super blocks :D |
| 01:03.34 | dogmeat | what is the usb floppy device? |
| 01:03.36 | paulswm | rep__: sorry, didn't mean to talk down to you |
| 01:03.46 | thomas_adam | dogmeat: /dev/sda ? |
| 01:03.53 | directhex | sgeigerb``, shouldn't you be in #xen to answer questions? |
| 01:04.09 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: I am. |
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| 01:04.19 | thomas_adam | dogmeat: dmesg will tell you. |
| 01:04.23 | rep__ | paulswm: i didn't mean it in that way. i am way out of my depth here |
| 01:04.33 | sgeigerb`` | directhex: I meant that I'm sitting in this chair... |
| 01:04.45 | paulswm | rep__: I know, we're possibly nearly done though |
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| 01:04.58 | python | is there anyother linux program that can play itunes aac format |
| 01:05.02 | python | ls |
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| 01:05.14 | poseur | hmm no spy/scum-ware avail for debian? |
| 01:05.16 | abrotman | !aac |
| 01:05.17 | dpkg | from memory, aac is Advanced Audio Codec, one of the best quality sound solutions compared to mp3. It has superior sound to all other lossy formats. |
| 01:05.25 | paulswm | rep__: I think if you get that cable right, it may boot OK |
| 01:05.25 | zinx | !alac |
| 01:05.42 | directhex | !aac is also available with added DRM if bought from the iTunes Music Store |
| 01:05.43 | dpkg | okay, directhex |
| 01:05.55 | mindphasr | Is there a way to make for example, gaim sounds not be so loud when listening to mp3s at high volume.. are there separate volumes? |
| 01:06.01 | zinx | dpkg, alac is apple lossless audio codec |
| 01:06.01 | dpkg | zinx: okay |
| 01:06.09 | abrotman | mindphasr: possibly |
| 01:06.13 | directhex | !aac =~ s/all/most/ |
| 01:06.14 | dpkg | directhex: OK |
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| 01:07.04 | paulswm | rep__: lemme know when you're ready, back in 5 |
| 01:07.28 | directhex | python, xmms-mp4 plugin? |
| 01:07.32 | spl0it | how do I check my current resolution? |
| 01:07.44 | doub | spl0it: xdpyinfo |
| 01:07.47 | mindphasr | abrotman, What should I be looking into?} |
| 01:07.53 | directhex | spl0it, xrandr |
| 01:08.25 | spl0it | cool thanks guys |
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| 01:08.31 | azreal | anyone know anything that can handle .fpx files? there is supposed to be support for it in Image Magick, but it doesnt work |
| 01:08.31 | python | directhix: ill try that |
| 01:08.50 | directhex | python, that'll do aac, but not itunes music store tracks |
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| 01:09.19 | tobo | how do i make rm only delete dirs and not files? |
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| 01:09.24 | Rsat | is always needed testing-proposed-updates in the sources.list ? |
| 01:09.35 | python | i just imported my music in itunes i havent bought anysongs yet |
| 01:09.44 | directhex | Rsat, no, never |
| 01:10.02 | directhex | python, don't. it's restricted nonsense |
| 01:10.02 | Rsat | directhex: what it is needed for? |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | mindphasr: the gnome sound mixer applet? |
| 01:10.22 | directhex | Rsat, buggered if i know, never seen it |
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| 01:11.03 | doub | tobo: find . -maxdepth 1 -type d | xargs -r rm -i |
| 01:11.16 | paulswm | rep__: OK, back |
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| 01:11.22 | tobo | doub: |
| 01:11.23 | MikeH | hi |
| 01:11.25 | poseur | is there spyware removal software ported to debian |
| 01:11.27 | sgeigerb`` | abrotman: "all other formats" means "besides mp3"? |
| 01:11.28 | tobo | doub: tnx, ill try that |
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| 01:11.32 | python | the only reson i would is becoulse i love mac osx is the best |
| 01:11.41 | sgeigerb`` | poseur: Is there spyware attacking debian? |
| 01:11.52 | sgeigerb`` | poseur: you have been using windows too much. |
| 01:11.55 | debian | python: probably mac's keyboard is defective. :) |
| 01:11.59 | DanC | my UPS failed today. I bought it in July 1999. How long do these things usually last? |
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| 01:12.08 | doub | tobo: remove the last '-i' if you're shure, else it will ask confirmation for each dir |
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| 01:12.19 | sgeigerb`` | poseur: Is there spyware removal software for macosx? :-) |
| 01:12.30 | jhgaylor | anyone got a moment to help the newb? When I installed debian from the net, I told it to install most all the server packages, but I dont seem to have mysql or php support, what gives? |
| 01:12.30 | RainbowW | so totem seems to have locked up my dvd drive such that it will play but, when totem is closed, will not open. what to do short of a reboot to free it? |
| 01:12.33 | poseur | hmm that's strange |
| 01:12.36 | debian | DanC: just a friendly reminder: when you think you need to buy a new one, the battery inside are replaceable. :) |
| 01:12.39 | python | not to bad |
| 01:12.46 | poseur | that there isn't any spyware for Debian |
| 01:12.49 | MikeH | where can i get debian pure64 netinstall iso from? |
| 01:13.00 | directhex | DanC, not that long. rechargable batteries suck |
| 01:13.04 | directhex | !debian-amd64 |
| 01:13.05 | abrotman | MikeH: #debian-amd64 |
| 01:13.06 | directhex | hm |
| 01:13.11 | directhex | yeah, probably the best bet |
| 01:13.14 | debian | DanC: what UPS btw? |
| 01:13.15 | tobo | doub: had a mental breakdown there, i can use rmdir =) |
| 01:13.18 | sgeigerb`` | poseur: only strange if you dont' take into consideration that poor design made the strangeness of spyware commonplace in the windows world. |
| 01:13.22 | tobo | doub: tnx for the help though |
| 01:13.31 | DanC | more relevant to #debian... I'd prefer to use a caching DNS server. djb's dnscache is pretty good, but the licensing issues mean it's a pain to maintain. Any easy caching dns packages? |
| 01:13.32 | doub | tobo: if they're empty, yes |
| 01:13.42 | debian | poseur: there is: tcpspy |
| 01:13.48 | debian | poseur: j/k |
| 01:13.50 | DanC | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.58 | sgeigerb`` | debian: what do you know about tcpspy? |
| 01:13.58 | elnovato | salut |
| 01:14.10 | directhex | bloody udev, my usb card reader bay thing doesn't work anymore |
| 01:14.13 | elnovato | tcpspy 007 ? |
| 01:14.16 | debian | sgeigerb``: for humor impared: it's a joke |
| 01:14.27 | sgeigerb`` | elnovato: apt-cache show <package> |
| 01:14.36 | sgeigerb`` | debian: dont' encourage the newbies to remain clueless |
| 01:14.47 | tobo | doub: they are fortunately |
| 01:14.58 | debian | sgeigerb``: don't encourage the geeks to remain an ass |
| 01:15.08 | debian | sgeigerb``: cheers |
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| 01:15.36 | RainbowW | is there a way to forcibly trigger a dvd-rom drive eject when the button won't work, without downing the box to reset the electronics? |
| 01:15.39 | sgeigerb`` | debian: someone has to get the lazy people to think. |
| 01:15.43 | FabFidenza | i get this error: "Not starting X display manager (xdm) ; it is not the defaul display manager" Have you idea how to fix this problem? |
| 01:15.47 | rep__ | paulswm: you there? |
| 01:15.51 | The_Vulture | RainbowW: you could try the "eject" program.. |
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| 01:15.55 | paulswm | rep__: yes, waiting on you |
| 01:15.56 | The_Vulture | otherwise go the old paperclip |
| 01:16.04 | The_Vulture | (probably not meant to do that with the device on..) |
| 01:16.10 | directhex | FabFidenza, it';s not a problem, it means another displkay manager is default |
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| 01:16.31 | debian | sgeigerb``: if they're get paid for this. :) |
| 01:16.32 | doub | RainbowW: maybe cdrecord -eject can work too |
| 01:16.49 | rep__ | paulswm: i've got the new disk as primary master, but it still won't load and when booted from the floppy, it shows /boot/grub/stage1 on (hd1,1) |
| 01:16.50 | FabFidenza | directhex: how can i change the default manager? |
| 01:16.51 | kineox | FabFidenza: how do you get this error ? |
| 01:16.58 | sgeigerb`` | debian: not everything is about money. |
| 01:16.58 | dogmeat | paulswm: usb floppy info was under /etc/fstab |
| 01:17.04 | directhex | FabFidenza, "dpkg-reconfigure xdm" as root |
| 01:17.08 | spl0it | my mozilla fonts, shell fonts and xchat fonts are huge, I changed the fonts setting in control panel but it didn't take care of these, any suggestions? |
| 01:17.15 | debian | sgeigerb``: yeah sometime it's about free sex or beers |
| 01:17.21 | FabFidenza | kineox: just finished the installation |
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| 01:17.33 | sgeigerb`` | debian: do you have to have the last word? |
| 01:17.36 | DanC | hmm... "dproxy is a small caching name server (DNS) for use between Local Area Networks and the internet." -- http://dproxy.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:17.36 | sgeigerb`` | :-) |
| 01:17.46 | debian | sgeigerb``: that'd be "wait..." |
| 01:17.46 | sgeigerb`` | !lart debian |
| 01:17.47 | FabFidenza | directhex: thank you in advance |
| 01:17.54 | sgeigerb`` | dpkg: thanks |
| 01:17.54 | dpkg | sgeigerb``: de nada |
| 01:18.07 | kineox | FabFidenza: i think you can also do something with update-alternatives |
| 01:18.08 | doub | DanC: dnsmasq is in debian |
| 01:18.12 | paulswm | rep__: then the new disk isn't as primary master, otherwise it would show up as hd0,1, but we can try booting it anyway |
| 01:18.20 | rep__ | paulswm: if it helps, the first partition on the disk is the swap partition, the second is the ext2 with all the data |
| 01:18.24 | tobo | doub: tried your way as well, worked perfectly as well, had to add -rf though =) |
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| 01:18.30 | DanC | I think I tried dnsmasq... can't remember why I didn't like it |
| 01:18.39 | paulswm | rep__: root (hd1,1) |
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| 01:18.50 | doub | tobo: right, forgot this one |
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| 01:19.12 | rep__ | paulswm: Filesystem tyoe is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 |
| 01:19.17 | rep__ | *type |
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| 01:19.39 | FabFidenza | kineox: i thought to modify the config file, but directhex, gave me another way |
| 01:19.42 | debian | rep__: I recommend you run a 'geometry' instead of blind guess |
| 01:19.43 | paulswm | rep__: hang on a sec |
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| 01:20.32 | DanC | Starting DNS forwarder and DHCP server: dnsmasqdnsmasq: failed to bind listening socket: Address already in use |
| 01:20.42 | sgeigerb`` | In my "everything is a file" world I thought I could do "sudo mkfs.ext3 /mnt/hda4/ext3_rootfs" as usual...but I got this somewhat scary message: "/mnt/hda4/ext3_rootfs is not a block special device. Proceed anyway? (y,n) n" What was the command that I should have used? Or was that it...and you're telling me that woudln't ruin my /mnt/hda4 filesystem? |
| 01:20.50 | paulswm | rep__: just a sec... |
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| 01:21.04 | doub | DanC: that means you have a DNS server or some other server running on port 53/udp |
| 01:21.05 | DanC | hmm... I was playing with this machine as a bootp server, so I'm running a DHCP server already |
| 01:21.30 | doub | DanC: ... or DHCP ;) |
| 01:21.46 | doub | DanC: i think you can disable DHCP in the conf file |
| 01:22.04 | paulswm | rep__: if you don't get the disk set up as hd0, you won't be able to boot from it unless you mess with your BIOS. do this: |
| 01:23.04 | paulswm | rep__: set the jumper to 'cable select" and connect the drive to the *end* connector, because you *don't* have it set up as the master |
| 01:23.13 | paulswm | rep__: keep the old drive unplugged |
| 01:23.39 | paulswm | rep__: of course turn off the power first :) |
| 01:23.39 | rep__ | ok |
| 01:24.09 | DanC | hmm... dnsmasq doesn't actually do normal DNS lookups; it just passes requests on. hmm. I like djb's architecture better. |
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| 01:24.45 | doub | sgeigerb``: that's because mkfs is supposed to run on a block device (a partition, in this case), which is not the case |
| 01:24.45 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: command correct, its just warning you about an unusual situation. Why are you running that as root? |
| 01:24.59 | DanC | the man page and the comments in the config file suggest the DHCP server is off by default, but it seems to be on by default |
| 01:25.00 | tinman | sorry for all the n00b stuff but, sarge dvd is 2 dvd's? how much space will a full install take up thats the biggest linux distro ive ever seen |
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| 01:25.19 | bbrazil | tinman: thats only if you install everything - which is impossible |
| 01:25.20 | FabFidenza | directhex > the problem persist. tomorrow ill try to format the hd an reinstall everyting. have fun. bye |
| 01:25.23 | dondelelcaro | tinman: there's no such thing as a "full install" |
| 01:25.40 | dondelelcaro | tinman: you only install what you want, and the dependencies required by what you want. |
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| 01:25.41 | doub | DanC: are you shure there's not a server already running on port 53? try 'netstat -lp' to check |
| 01:25.52 | rep__ | paulswm: found /boot/grub/stage1 in (hd1,1) |
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| 01:26.12 | rep__ | and yes, the disk is connected to the end |
| 01:26.16 | rep__ | of the cable |
| 01:26.17 | tinman | ok so will i need dvd 2 |
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| 01:26.30 | dvs | tinman: only one is needed. |
| 01:26.34 | jvw | tinman: do you have a good internet connection? |
| 01:26.40 | DanC | netstat -lp | grep 53 shows only mDNSResponder on port 5353 |
| 01:26.45 | tinman | 1.5 mbit |
| 01:26.51 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: GOOD POINT!! No need to run that as root. OMG...thanks. |
| 01:26.59 | jvw | tinman: then you can just do netinstall, and download packages upon request |
| 01:27.15 | Cyanophytes | how can I change the font size in KDE most programs that I load have a small font that I can barely read? |
| 01:27.36 | directhex | tinman, you need a 40mb iso, and that's about it |
| 01:27.37 | jvw | tinman: so, no need to download a full dvd |
| 01:27.44 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: Well, I guess the answer is: mkfs.ext3 does not allow me to run it unless I'm root. Are you *SURE* that it is okay to go ahead? |
| 01:28.04 | DanC | oops... dnscache is running. |
| 01:28.05 | DanC | ;lksdfjasd |
| 01:28.18 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: that doesn't sound right. should be fine - check the man apge to be sure |
| 01:28.22 | tinman | i see thanx where can i get a net install iso from? debian? |
| 01:28.38 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: what part doesn't sound right? |
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| 01:28.39 | directhex | !tell tinman about d-i |
| 01:28.45 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: what error message does it give when run as non-root? |
| 01:28.48 | directhex | tinman, from the url dpkg gave you |
| 01:28.50 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: that you must have root |
| 01:29.01 | doub | DanC: try "strace -e listen dnsmasq" |
| 01:29.12 | directhex | pfft, forget having root, i got soul |
| 01:29.24 | DanC | dig www.w3.org@127.0.0.1 works. sigh... seems my problem is not lack of a caching dns server, but just that my /etc/resolv.conf gets clobbered when I get a DHCP lease |
| 01:29.26 | paulswm | rep__: ok, let's boot it anyway, I think it'll come up as hdb, though |
| 01:29.35 | jvw | tinman: http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:29.42 | paulswm | rep__: root(hd1,1) |
| 01:29.49 | Snipes420 | if i want a network bridge do i need to recompile the kernel? thats what every howto i have seen says. |
| 01:29.51 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: okay...it simply wasn't in my path. Even though it is in /sbin I am apparently able to run it as non-root...which I find to be uncommon. |
| 01:29.58 | dvs | rep__: and there is no jumper on the hard drive/ |
| 01:29.59 | tinman | ok thanx alot for all the info and help |
| 01:30.07 | paulswm | rep__: do you know where your kernel is or what it's called |
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| 01:30.26 | paulswm | rep__: like it should be in /boot |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | Snipes420: #iptables might be a better place to ask |
| 01:30.36 | rep__ | paulswm: its 2.6 - thats all i know |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | though .. not sure a bridge actually involves iptables |
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| 01:30.46 | paulswm | rep__: ok... |
| 01:30.50 | doub | Snipes420: only if bridge support is not already configured |
| 01:30.57 | greycat | Snipes420: just check /boot/config-$(uname -r) and see if it has the stuff you require |
| 01:31.07 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: you can run anything in sbin. ifconfig is in there for example which is handy |
| 01:31.09 | rep__ | paulswm: root (hd1,1) returns "Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83 |
| 01:31.24 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: the fact thta you aren't root just makes them crap out sometimes |
| 01:31.27 | paulswm | rep__: ok, hang on a sec |
| 01:31.40 | greycat | DanC: I think it's entirely held in RAM, but I'm not sure. |
| 01:31.47 | greycat | DanC: #djbdns or #qmail might know |
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| 01:32.41 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: Can any random user run things like "halt" Yes, the permissions on the file suggest that, but I doubt it. |
| 01:32.43 | doub | DanC: i bet so |
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| 01:33.05 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: you can run it, it won't do anything, but you can run it |
| 01:33.26 | directhex | mmm... bluetooth on linux is sexy |
| 01:33.34 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: Doesn't that seem a little dumb and contrary to the Principle of Least Privilege? |
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| 01:33.40 | PerfDave | directhex: What are you using it for? |
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| 01:34.11 | greycat | sgeigerb``: it's more like a woman wearing a low-cut dress but you aren't allowed to touch. |
| 01:34.11 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: its only a lump of code - that a user could compile themselves from source. Why protect it pointlessly? |
| 01:34.13 | directhex | PerfDave, just for obex, but it's still wubbly |
| 01:34.20 | PerfDave | directhex: obex? |
| 01:34.24 | paulswm | rep__: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:34.28 | Snipes420 | it says CONFIG_BRIDGE=m, i assume that means bridging is not compiled in? |
| 01:34.31 | directhex | PerfDave, file transfer to & from |
| 01:34.40 | directhex | Snipes420, means it's a module |
| 01:34.43 | doub | Snipes420: as a module |
| 01:34.47 | Snipes420 | oh cool! |
| 01:35.10 | Snipes420 | now im very happy, wasn't looking forward to recompiling |
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| 01:35.47 | Snipes420 | strange it was under appletalk devices heading |
| 01:35.50 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: A general attitude of the security community: "...you will be reminded that you should never intentionally divulge information regarding your network. The reason for this warning is that any information received by someone trying to breach security can and will be used against you. You should never intentionaly divulge any information that does not need to be shared. Remember that the topic is security; in the realm |
| 01:35.50 | sgeigerb`` | of security, there is no such concept as being too careful." |
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| 01:36.16 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: I would extend that to executables: Never let someone run something they don't need to. |
| 01:36.18 | rep__ | paulswm: what part are you looking for? |
| 01:36.20 | greycat | sgeigerb``: yeah, they might steal my Ogg files!!!1! |
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| 01:36.25 | greycat | sgeigerb``: oh wait, I already share them freely. |
| 01:36.26 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: sounds like security through obscurity to me |
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| 01:36.28 | paulswm | rep__: the kernel line |
| 01:36.39 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: read debian policy about it |
| 01:36.45 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: http://www.robertgraham.com/pubs/hacking-dict.html#least-privilege |
| 01:36.55 | rep__ | kernel 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 01:37.07 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: I'd be interested in seeing the official thought on this. |
| 01:37.07 | PerfDave | directhex: What's an obex? |
| 01:37.16 | greycat | sgeigerb``: define "official" |
| 01:37.22 | paulswm | type the first 'kernel' lin extactly as it is including the work 'kernel' and hit enter |
| 01:37.22 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: reading a file you can get from anywhere is not priviliged information |
| 01:37.26 | doub | sgeigerb``: change the perms if that scares you |
| 01:37.27 | paulswm | rep__: type the first 'kernel' lin extactly as it is including the work 'kernel' and hit enter |
| 01:37.29 | sgeigerb`` | greycat: "<bbrazil> sgeigerb``: read debian policy about it" |
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| 01:37.45 | directhex | PerfDave, Object Exchange, it's the bluetooth protocol for arbitrary file transfer |
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| 01:37.52 | quadrata | hi guys |
| 01:38.18 | rep__ | paulswm: Error 1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist |
| 01:38.18 | directhex | PerfDave, things like sneding photos from phone to palm use obex push |
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| 01:38.49 | sgeigerb`` | doub: I simply question the policy on this issue. It is a well-known fact that operating systems are insecure by default. I simply think this is something that doesn't need to be the way it is. |
| 01:38.54 | directhex | PerfDave, i run an obex server on my desktop so i can receive pushes from trusted devices, and i send things out to my palm & phone as i see fit using an obex push app |
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| 01:39.07 | PerfDave | directhex: Fair enough |
| 01:39.34 | paulswm | rep__: did you do root(hd1,1) a while ago |
| 01:39.38 | directhex | oh, sweet bliss. my karma is still off for repair, but i have some reasonable music on my palm, and 15 days' trial for a vorbis player |
| 01:39.47 | thomas_adam | Can someone explain to me why dnotify(1) fails to work monitoring a direcrtory mounted over shfs? Works fine locally. |
| 01:39.48 | rep__ | yes |
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| 01:40.10 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.9 4th paragraph |
| 01:40.14 | rf | if my hostname is node0, and im using dhcp, is there a way to specify that in the /etc/hosts file? |
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| 01:40.46 | howlingyeti | If I don't want lpd starting on boot can I just unlink it in the right /etc/rc*.d directory? |
| 01:40.50 | paulswm | the first thing after the work 'kernel' should be /vmlinuz-..., is that correct |
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| 01:41.04 | paulswm | rep__: the first thing after the work 'kernel' should be /vmlinuz-..., is that correct |
| 01:41.30 | Matong | hello all togheter. has anyone a running freenx solution under debian unstable and as wiiling to help me to get it working or knows some good tutorial or information? |
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| 01:41.41 | zarchne | rf: for the dhcp-assigned interface? |
| 01:42.04 | rep__ | paulswm: i think i entered the wrong kernel line |
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| 01:42.07 | rf | zarchne: yes |
| 01:42.23 | paulswm | rep__: ok, try again, I have 5 more minutes |
| 01:42.46 | rep__ | now i entered "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro single |
| 01:42.53 | rep__ | " |
| 01:42.56 | zarchne | dogmeat: I would be thinking no. |
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| 01:43.11 | greycat | rep__: is it an initrd kernel? |
| 01:43.29 | rep__ | i don't know |
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| 01:43.31 | dogmeat | zarchne: that's OK, i just used the assigned ip addr |
| 01:43.35 | dogmeat | thanks |
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| 01:43.41 | dvs | rep__: it's a debian kernel? |
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| 01:44.07 | rep__ | yes |
| 01:44.22 | paulswm | rep__: once you've entered the kernel line, was there an initrd line under it |
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| 01:44.45 | paulswm | rep__: from you cat I mean |
| 01:44.50 | paulswm | *your |
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| 01:45.17 | rep__ | yes |
| 01:45.52 | paulswm | rep__: ok, enter that (I'm assuming that you didn't get an error when entering the kernel line) |
| 01:46.14 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: I really appreciate the URL. I don't see the item you were referring to, however. What specifically are the words that start the section that I should look at on http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.9 ? |
| 01:46.28 | rep__ | from the start, i first entered "root (hd1,1)" |
| 01:46.39 | paulswm | rep__: yes |
| 01:46.55 | rep__ | response "Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83" |
| 01:47.01 | deckrider | hi, I'm trying to get xyz.ppd from a commercial postscript driver. after cabextracting the downloaded file, the ppd file appears as "xyz.pp_" but is of course not any kind of text file. I'm using debian/sarge...is there some tool that will uncompress this file? |
| 01:47.28 | abrotman | deckrider: iirc .. it's not compressed .. just named stupidly |
| 01:47.42 | rep__ | then entered "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 01:47.44 | rep__ | " |
| 01:47.49 | paulswm | rep__: yes |
| 01:47.57 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: I've looked over the page a couple of times with no results. Even after using the find feature in my browser, searching for "sbin" I haven't found it; I see only 3 instances of "sbin" anywhere on that page...and none of them |
| 01:48.04 | deckrider | abrotman: when I look at the file, it appears to be binary |
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| 01:48.14 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: how are you defining "4th paragraph"? |
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| 01:48.56 | rep__ | response "[Linux-bzImage, setup=0x1400, size=0x10937c]" |
| 01:49.08 | paulswm | rep__: now do the initrd line |
| 01:49.17 | rep__ | ok |
| 01:49.18 | rep__ | one sec |
| 01:49.54 | dvs | (hd1,1) = hda2?!? |
| 01:50.08 | rep__ | response "[Linux-initrd @ 0x3cb6000, 0x437000 bytes] |
| 01:50.29 | rep__ | " |
| 01:50.31 | paulswm | dvs: he insists that the drive is on the master, so grub could be wrong |
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| 01:50.42 | dvs | paulswm: ok |
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| 01:51.24 | zinx | dvs: hdb2, actually |
| 01:51.33 | rep__ | do i enter "savedefault" and then "boot"? |
| 01:51.34 | paulswm | rep__: ok, now type 'boot' and it'll boot. If you are right and the drive is the master, it'll come up OK. If the drive is not on the master, you'll get a kernel panic |
| 01:51.34 | abrotman | deckrider: it probably should be ... |
| 01:51.51 | rep__ | it works!!! |
| 01:52.03 | paulswm | rep__: we're not done yet |
| 01:52.16 | rep__ | but its progress :) |
| 01:52.16 | bbrazil | sgeigerb``: For the same reason you should not restrict read or execute permissions on non-set-id executables. |
| 01:52.27 | paulswm | rep__: let me know when you're ready to do some typing |
| 01:52.33 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: thansk |
| 01:52.42 | rep__ | i really appreciate your help |
| 01:52.53 | deckrider | abrotman: I thought ppd files were always text. This is not so? |
| 01:53.00 | rep__ | ok, ready |
| 01:53.05 | dli | how to get a debian installation disk with ntfs resizer? |
| 01:53.07 | paulswm | rep__: it's OK. these things usually go much better. |
| 01:53.11 | rep__ | (logged in as root) |
| 01:53.12 | abrotman | deckrider: it's a hunch .. i don't own a printer .. try to unzip it ... or use a cabextraction util |
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| 01:53.21 | abrotman | !ntfs resize |
| 01:53.21 | dpkg | ntfs resize is probably http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 01:53.43 | paulswm | go 'df' and tell me if it says /dev/hda for your / filesystem |
| 01:53.49 | paulswm | go 'df' and tell me if it says /dev/hda2 for your / filesystem |
| 01:53.51 | sgeigerb`` | bbrazil: Interesting. thanks. |
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| 01:53.58 | paulswm | rep__: do 'df' and tell me if it says /dev/hda2 for your / filesystem |
| 01:54.03 | dli | abrotman, does it work? |
| 01:54.08 | rep__ | says hda2 |
| 01:54.34 | paulswm | rep__: cool, then grub was wrong. OK: type: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 01:54.38 | abrotman | dli: no clue .. ntfs sucks . use at your own risk |
| 01:55.03 | deckrider | abrotman: doesn't work with unzip or cabextract |
| 01:55.07 | rep__ | done. no errors reported |
| 01:55.13 | dli | abrotman, my dell laptop also saves 2 GB for its private use, I want to reclaim it :( |
| 01:55.24 | abrotman | deckrider: i'm not sure .. i thought ppd were binaryt |
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| 01:55.36 | abrotman | dli: call them .. tell them you want the damn CDs . that's what i did with IBM |
| 01:55.36 | deckrider | abrotman: ok, thanks anyway |
| 01:55.53 | paulswm | rep__: cat /boot/grub/device.map and let me know what hd0 and hd1 say |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | deckrider: is there a #cups? |
| 01:56.06 | dli | abrotman, installation CD? |
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| 01:56.18 | rep__ | hd0: /dev/hda |
| 01:56.27 | rep__ | hd1: /dev/hdb |
| 01:56.30 | abrotman | dli: to install windows .. that's why my ibm had 2GB saved |
| 01:56.36 | paulswm | rep__: great, it seems to have sorted itself out |
| 01:56.38 | abrotman | dli: it's the restore partition |
| 01:56.40 | dli | abrotman, yeah, that's a good idea, I paid for the windowsXP, which I don't use, and which comes without an installation CD |
| 01:56.56 | dli | abrotman, I don't need restoration |
| 01:57.04 | deckrider | abrotman: I don't see one on this server |
| 01:57.17 | paulswm | just to be safe, as root type: update-grub |
| 01:57.19 | jdjs | anyone using a netgear wg511 v2 ? |
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| 01:57.23 | abrotman | deckrider: hmm . ok |
| 01:57.31 | abrotman | dli: call dell and bitch |
| 01:57.37 | abrotman | deckrider: maybe try #linux |
| 01:57.38 | rep__ | done |
| 01:57.43 | krenin | dli: you bought windows and didn't get a CD? |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | dli: that's why i got the CDs |
| 01:57.50 | dli | abrotman: next time, I would buy asus, which doesn't force you to buy windows |
| 01:57.58 | abrotman | krenin: many companies have restore partitions |
| 01:58.02 | Mo666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.07 | dli | krenin, only restore cd, no installation |
| 01:58.09 | Mo666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.16 | krenin | oh, i always build my PCs |
| 01:58.35 | abrotman | !nobeep |
| 01:58.38 | abrotman | bah |
| 01:58.41 | meff | how can i do an apt-cache search of only installed packages? |
| 01:58.42 | paulswm | rep__: moment of truth: reboot without the floppy |
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| 01:58.51 | abrotman | !beep |
| 01:58.51 | dpkg | it has been said that beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G |
| 01:58.52 | dli | abrotman, I still have free space, if I run out, I will simply remove the windows and dell partitions |
| 01:58.54 | krenin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.05 | krenin | wait Pentium days |
| 01:59.05 | abrotman | dli: up to you |
| 01:59.05 | *** join/#debian helloyoyo (~alex@c211-30-78-250.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 01:59.08 | krenin | pentium 1 |
| 01:59.13 | paulswm | rep__: let me know, I'll check back in a couple minutes |
| 01:59.21 | directhex | dpkg, beep is also a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 01:59.21 | dpkg | directhex: okay |
| 01:59.33 | rep__ | will do |