| 00:00.03 | Fluten | Seb, or is this a bad idea once running testing? |
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| 00:01.01 | walnuck | dondelelcaro: for xedit, if i omit the fontpaths from X's conf - xedit would crash saying something with segfault err.. |
| 00:01.02 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: if it segfaults because it didn't catch the error, or the error handling code is totally broken, that's a separate issue. |
| 00:01.34 | walnuck | dondelelcaro: i believe messagings are hints not perfect debugging messages... |
| 00:01.36 | dondelelcaro | walnuck: oh, no doubt there are cases where programs are buggy, and the bugs only show up when you remove files. But the bug is the segfault. |
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| 00:02.15 | lunaphyte | i've got a shell script that runs some iptables commands (port forwarding), that i want to run at boot, but not until after bind has loaded. how might i achieve this? |
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| 00:02.22 | abrotman | !maint totem |
| 00:02.28 | dpkg | totem: Sebastien Bacher <seb128@debian.org> |
| 00:03.00 | BlackBokz | lunaphyte: i dont know how to put it there in the "normal" way |
| 00:03.00 | PerfDave | lunaphyte: Write an init.d script? |
| 00:03.15 | daft | lunaphyte the place where i have it is in /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 00:03.20 | BlackBokz | but when you use webmin you can add it to your boot items, and maybee move it to the top |
| 00:03.32 | dhruv | lunaphyte: man update-rc.d |
| 00:04.12 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 00:04.27 | rwolf | hi anyone. I'm having some trouble adding myself to a group. I added myself to the camera group. If I login from the command line then the groups command shows the camera group. When I login to gnome through gdm, then any terminal I start does NOT show me in the camera group. What is the difference? I've logged out and back in again. |
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| 00:05.00 | dondelelcaro | rwolf: yes, but you haven't restarted gdm, most likely. |
| 00:05.17 | rwolf | dondelcaro: I did a /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 00:05.24 | rwolf | then a /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 00:05.43 | green_earz | lunaphyte:http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/runlevels-intro.html may help |
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| 00:05.47 | paxmaster | i trying to change the password of webmin |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 00:05.53 | dpkg | i guess webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 00:05.54 | dondelelcaro | rwolf: hrm... well, in that case, you should actually be in the camera group. Does a bash -l; put you back in the camera group? |
| 00:05.54 | paxmaster | but i can't |
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| 00:05.58 | FieldySnuts | is this suddenly #webmin ? |
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| 00:06.03 | drac | paxmaster: remove webmin. now. |
| 00:06.08 | lunaphyte | most of the documentation i have been reading through seems to discourage using rcX.d/, and suggests the up/down hooks provided through interfaces(5) - that's too soon though, of course. |
| 00:06.08 | dondelelcaro | rwolf: and I assume you're checking id; right? |
| 00:06.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i strongly suggest we lynch the webmin maintainer :) |
| 00:06.19 | lunaphyte | i guess i'll write an init script. |
| 00:06.22 | Vladi | hi, does anyone know how i can launch a game already installed using point 2 play |
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| 00:06.32 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, you still around? |
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| 00:06.37 | rwolf | dondelcaro: what is id? |
| 00:06.41 | rosen | hello, I search to add more workspace in windowmaker by default but without success.Someone has an idea? |
| 00:06.43 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: sadly :) |
| 00:07.07 | Fluten | hmm, webmin seems to default to only allowing 127.0.0.1 by default now |
| 00:07.10 | derek__ | Please please can someone help me, i just don't understand how to configure x, I installed the nvidia drivers but am getting "Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o": No symbols found |
| 00:07.12 | derek__ | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module!" |
| 00:07.13 | abrotman | Fluten: good |
| 00:07.15 | daft | MY sound died in windows it workes and I have no clue why it abandend me |
| 00:07.22 | Fluten | at least the last few times i've installed it |
| 00:07.35 | abrotman | daft: i bet your teacher taught you about punctuation. |
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| 00:07.43 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: my thoughts exactly. |
| 00:07.52 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: which thought? |
| 00:07.55 | valdyn | derek__: so the kernel module nvidia isnt loaded |
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| 00:07.59 | daft | abrotman Im just pulling my hair out here |
| 00:08.00 | sgeigerb` | daft: There's a book called, _Eats Shoots and Leaves_ |
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| 00:08.06 | sgeigerb` | daft: get it. |
| 00:08.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:08.13 | green_earz | Fluten: track down the ip control section in webmin to add more host ip |
| 00:08.21 | dvs | dumb pandas |
| 00:08.34 | Fluten | sorry to repeat, but can i change sarge to stable in /etc/apt/sources.list, and be running stable soon? |
| 00:08.36 | rwolf | dondelelcaro: id shows the same thing. no camera group |
| 00:08.41 | walnuck | derek__: if you upgraded your kernel, you'll have to recompile the nvidia driver |
| 00:08.44 | abrotman | Fluten: we don't know |
| 00:08.48 | sgeigerb` | dvs: You know, I really don't see what all the fuss is about. After all, when have you seen an English-speaking Panda. |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | !tell Fluten about wwsr |
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| 00:09.03 | dvs | sgeigerb`: not in my lifetime |
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| 00:09.15 | sgeigerb` | dvs: well, how old are you? |
| 00:09.31 | dvs | sgeigerb`: 32 |
| 00:09.39 | abrotman | you've got time |
| 00:09.39 | daft | I realy dont know why it died I compiled a new kernel 2 days ago but I damn shure know what sound card i have i dint even touch that section |
| 00:09.41 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, about modwrite |
| 00:09.41 | valdyn | derek__: try "modprobe nvidia" |
| 00:09.48 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: mod_rewrite? |
| 00:09.49 | Led_Zeppelin | RedirectMatch /([0-9]+) http://foo.com:8080/App/Dir/WebSite?Id=$1 redirects to: http://foo.com:8080/App/Dir/WebSite%3fId=1 |
| 00:10.00 | Led_Zeppelin | i get that ugly %3f, how do I get rid of that? |
| 00:10.02 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, right. |
| 00:10.03 | sgeigerb` | dvs: MY GOd...i'M LIke over 700 DAYS older than You! |
| 00:10.04 | daft | btw teacher how old do you guys think i am |
| 00:10.06 | FieldySnuts | it's unicode..... geez |
| 00:10.14 | sgeigerb` | ...and I still haven't seen such a panda. |
| 00:10.15 | walnuck | valdyn: nvidia is provided by nvidia (tarball to compile) |
| 00:10.15 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: maybe escape it? |
| 00:10.28 | Led_Zeppelin | \\? |
| 00:10.29 | Led_Zeppelin | \? |
| 00:10.31 | walnuck | valdyn: (nv is the bundled version with X) |
| 00:10.32 | abrotman | i think just one |
| 00:10.33 | abrotman | not sure |
| 00:10.37 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: o |
| 00:10.44 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i'm not even sure it would work |
| 00:10.45 | valdyn | walnuck: i know that.. |
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| 00:11.03 | abrotman | mmm .. jackie brown |
| 00:11.08 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, naa, it won't it adds this, %5c%3f |
| 00:11.10 | Led_Zeppelin | lol |
| 00:11.20 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: nice .. that's great .. \\? |
| 00:11.27 | pipeline | daft: Your life will be easier if you just install stock kernels. I've been using stock kernels for nearly a year now, and I don't regret giving up the anal retentive control :P |
| 00:11.39 | abrotman | pipeline: we made you didn't we? |
| 00:11.44 | dondelelcaro | rwolf: and grep $(whoami) /etc/group; yields camera? |
| 00:12.01 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, none...that adds %5c%3f |
| 00:12.14 | fdsfojf | hey i want to install from cds do i have to use all 15? |
| 00:12.22 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: so .. \\? adds %5c%3f and \? adds the same? |
| 00:12.22 | dvs | fdsfojf: no |
| 00:12.25 | abrotman | fdsfojf: no |
| 00:12.26 | pipeline | abrotman: No, I just got really sick of dealing with 2.6.x's much more complex configuration process. |
| 00:12.32 | abrotman | pipeline: wussy |
| 00:12.35 | fdsfojf | how many cds do i have to use |
| 00:12.40 | dvs | fdsfojf: one |
| 00:12.44 | pipeline | abrotman: The decision proved to be a wise one. |
| 00:12.46 | rwolf | dondelelcaro: yes it does. The thing I don't get is that it is working when I log in from a virtual console, or over ssh |
| 00:12.48 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, apprently. |
| 00:12.51 | pipeline | abrotman: It has since paid off several times. |
| 00:12.55 | abrotman | pipeline: yeah .. i've gone bothw ays |
| 00:13.04 | abrotman | pipeline: i did have a custom until 2 weeks ago |
| 00:13.07 | derek__ | valdyn: nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel. |
| 00:13.07 | derek__ | ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:01:00.0[A] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 193 |
| 00:13.08 | derek__ | NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module 1.0-6111 Tue Jul 27 07:55:38 PDT 2004 |
| 00:13.11 | fdsfojf | how many should i use |
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| 00:13.13 | abrotman | pipeline: but because i thought i needed it for broadcom |
| 00:13.14 | derek__ | sry for the lines |
| 00:13.15 | abrotman | fdsfojf: one |
| 00:13.19 | abrotman | fdsfojf: you mean for sarge right? |
| 00:13.21 | fdsfojf | k ty |
| 00:13.28 | fdsfojf | i think |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: hmm .. can you thnik of another espace char |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:13.35 | valdyn | derek__: alright, now are you using udev? does X work now? |
| 00:13.35 | abrotman | !tell fdsfojf about d-i |
| 00:13.37 | fdsfojf | i think its for sarge |
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| 00:13.39 | dvs | fdsfojf: it depends how fast your internet connection is |
| 00:13.40 | abrotman | !tell fdsfojf about ig |
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| 00:14.16 | fdsfojf | i have dsl |
| 00:14.19 | derek__ | valdyn: awsome, thanks, that simple |
| 00:14.20 | abrotman | fdsfojf: and? |
| 00:14.23 | Bruutje | hmpf ! |
| 00:14.26 | fdsfojf | so if i do the netinstall how long will it take? |
| 00:14.30 | green_earz | fdsfojf: do you have a dsl connection if so you can do a net install |
| 00:14.39 | abrotman | fdsfojf: how fast is your dsl? |
| 00:14.41 | fdsfojf | yes i have dsl |
| 00:14.51 | fdsfojf | 200something |
| 00:14.59 | dvs | MB/s?!/ |
| 00:15.00 | abrotman | 200something? |
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| 00:15.05 | valdyn | derek__: "echo nvidia >> /etc/modules" to autoload this in the future |
| 00:15.05 | abrotman | 200bps ? |
| 00:15.07 | fdsfojf | i think xb |
| 00:15.10 | fdsfojf | kb |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | xb? |
| 00:15.15 | Led_Zeppelin | no clue |
| 00:15.17 | dvs | whoa! |
| 00:15.17 | abrotman | youll be fine |
| 00:15.21 | zignig | fdsfojf: get the extra small iso: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc2/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 00:15.29 | abrotman | no way |
| 00:15.31 | abrotman | not that one |
| 00:15.34 | abrotman | eegads |
| 00:15.36 | abrotman | use the netinst |
| 00:15.43 | abrotman | you don't even know if his NIC is supported |
| 00:15.59 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: is your boss complaining about it? |
| 00:16.00 | walnuck | valdyn: also the rivafb conflicts with nvidia mod.. |
| 00:16.11 | walnuck | valdyn: he should disable it |
| 00:16.24 | fdsfojf | so ill have to dl one cd then instal it and wait forever while it doenlaods and installs and tahts it? |
| 00:16.40 | green_earz | fdsfojf: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050108/ sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:16.43 | abrotman | fdsfojf: but it only downloads what you need |
| 00:16.52 | abrotman | fdsfojf: it doesn't download 15CDs worth |
| 00:16.53 | zignig | abrotman: true, but its small. ;) I run it through apt-cacher, so its fast. |
| 00:16.57 | elnovato | extra small |
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| 00:17.03 | abrotman | zignig: but if NIC not supported .. bad |
| 00:17.07 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum92/1968.htm same problems! |
| 00:17.10 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman, lol, yea |
| 00:17.17 | zignig | abrotman: yes , bad. |
| 00:17.29 | walnuck | derek__: have norivafb if you have rivafb compiled in your kernel.. |
| 00:17.36 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i can't look .. it hates my isp |
| 00:17.43 | zignig | abrotman: do you know where the build script for mini.iso is ? |
| 00:18.12 | tr | now I've switched to mini CDs by David Kimdon, my debian installation cannot recognize a NIC in my compaq evo n800w laptop, any suggestions? |
| 00:18.15 | abrotman | zignig: no idea .. i think the kernel config is available though |
| 00:18.32 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: did you try asking #apache? |
| 00:18.40 | dvs | tr: use the proper net install CD |
| 00:18.45 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: go tell your boss that %3c is the same as ? :) |
| 00:18.49 | tr | dvs, this proper would be? |
| 00:18.54 | tr | thought i chose the proper one :> |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:18.56 | dpkg | from memory, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
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| 00:19.09 | zignig | abrotman: abrotman :P |
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| 00:20.02 | tr | sounds nice, tu abrotman & dvs |
| 00:20.33 | abrotman | tu tu! |
| 00:20.45 | elnovato | are you popeye abrotman |
| 00:20.47 | abrotman | yub yub! |
| 00:20.50 | elnovato | ? |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | Ewokese .. jeez |
| 00:21.15 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i see many complex answers .. |
| 00:21.27 | WiFiTux | abrotman, how it this said, extended knowledge about it's features or about its features? |
| 00:21.40 | WiFiTux | s/it/is/ |
| 00:21.43 | abrotman | its |
| 00:21.50 | WiFiTux | thanks :| |
| 00:21.55 | elnovato | are you ignoring me? |
| 00:21.56 | abrotman | its is possesive .. it's is a contraction for it is |
| 00:22.03 | abrotman | i told you .. Ewokese |
| 00:22.34 | WiFiTux | abrotman, I know, I'm working on it, with the though thou tough words aswell. :/ |
| 00:23.22 | abrotman | WiFiTux: can i qotd you on that |
| 00:23.23 | abrotman | ? |
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| 00:23.51 | AdeP | Both mutt and Thunderbird use Mbox for storing mail right, is there any reason that Mutt and Thunderbird can't point to the exact same store directory? |
| 00:23.52 | WiFiTux | abrotman, snap me for that? yes, That's why I'm here. Learn!! |
| 00:24.09 | abrotman | AdeP: not that i'm aware |
| 00:24.14 | abrotman | #mutt |
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| 00:24.41 | AdeP | abrotman: Good, cause that'd make more sense for me. |
| 00:24.47 | abrotman | AdeP: duh :) |
| 00:25.05 | bbrazil | AdeP: not with both modifying it at the same time |
| 00:25.35 | abrotman | bbrazil: it would lock them |
| 00:25.40 | abrotman | well . should anyways |
| 00:25.42 | WiFiTux | abrotman, from now on, I'll try to write like someone that has good writing skills :/, I talk better than I write. |
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| 00:26.17 | WiFiTux | root is a woman? :-| |
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| 00:26.38 | abrotman | WiFiTux: well .. that's good i suppose |
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| 00:27.09 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: you could write an intermediary script |
| 00:27.24 | WiFiTux | abrotman, yes, until you get a error "root, access denied" :| |
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| 00:27.45 | abrotman | WiFiTux: because root is a woman? |
| 00:27.53 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:27.54 | abrotman | !bunnicula KillerBunny |
| 00:27.56 | WiFiTux | hehe |
| 00:28.08 | WiFiTux | abrotman, yes. |
| 00:28.21 | abrotman | so root is a woman .. and you get denied? |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | such is the plight of the geek |
| 00:28.29 | WiFiTux | stop itQ! |
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| 00:28.36 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 00:28.52 | TattooNinja | hi room |
| 00:28.54 | WiFiTux | well, then I'm a liked geek, but I'm not that geek anyway |
| 00:29.07 | WiFiTux | TattooNinja, it's not room, it's root |
| 00:29.15 | TattooNinja | ok |
| 00:29.18 | TattooNinja | hi root |
| 00:29.39 | WiFiTux | TattooNinja, can you see someone here called root? Who are you saying hello too? |
| 00:29.47 | TattooNinja | lol |
| 00:29.58 | TattooNinja | everybody |
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| 00:30.18 | ToMMY2ooo | hey all |
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| 00:30.25 | TattooNinja | maybe i should say hi all |
| 00:30.40 | protein_origami | Or maybe: hi /* |
| 00:30.53 | TattooNinja | lol |
| 00:30.58 | walnuck | bonjour du quebec |
| 00:31.05 | tr | damn this sarge thing is swift, why aint it on debian.org? |
| 00:31.34 | abrotman | tr: it is .. kind of |
| 00:31.48 | TattooNinja | bonjour walnuck |
| 00:32.14 | tr | it should be visible for them not so wise ones as well ;) |
| 00:32.26 | tr | it certainly didnt catch my eye as, more or less, a beginner |
| 00:32.33 | ToMMY2ooo | Im upgrading to 2.4.28, I need the modules scsi_mod and sd_mod. In the menuconfig which scsi options would I need to enable as modules? Under SCSI Support I have added as modules SCSI support, SCSI disk support and SCSI CDROM support. |
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| 00:33.07 | kfogel__ | abrotman: thanks largely to your help yesterday, the laptop is working. I wrote up a summary of what I needed to do here: |
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| 00:33.23 | kfogel__ | http://www.red-bean.com/kfogel/compaq-presario-900US.txt |
| 00:33.26 | abrotman | kfogel__: you could submit it to linux-laptop.net if you think it would help otheres |
| 00:33.30 | abrotman | red-bean is cvs? |
| 00:33.36 | kfogel__ | abrotman: I was just going to ask if you think that's the best place. |
| 00:33.44 | kfogel__ | abrotman: "red-bean is cvs" ? |
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| 00:33.53 | abrotman | red-bean book? |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | what is the name of that book for cvs? |
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| 00:34.24 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: apt-get install cvsbook; lynx `slocate cvsbook_toc` |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | kfogel__: we send a lot of people to linux-laptop.net |
| 00:34.36 | solomon | anyone got some mobo and gpu chipsets to reccomend? i'm thinking sub-$100, i've got an 1800+ |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | or i do anyways |
| 00:34.56 | abrotman | solomon: you want both for 100$? |
| 00:34.58 | solomon | is it still wise to stay away from nvidia? |
| 00:35.02 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: Did you see that? |
| 00:35.02 | solomon | abrotman: nah, each |
| 00:35.04 | kfogel__ | abrotman: ah, yes, cvsbook.red-bean.com and svnbook.red-bean.com |
| 00:35.12 | abrotman | see .. i'm not crazy |
| 00:35.17 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: apt-cache search cvs | grep ^cvs |
| 00:35.21 | abrotman | red-bean makes books! |
| 00:35.35 | kfogel__ | abrotman: yup. I'm sure these aren't the last :-) |
| 00:35.40 | solomon | abrotman: that should be easy to do with a board, i'm not sure about how easy it will be with the gpu |
| 00:35.42 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: did you see that factoid? :-( |
| 00:35.51 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: which? |
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| 00:36.00 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: <sgeigerb`> abrotman: apt-get install cvsbook; lynx `slocate cvsbook_toc` |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:36.15 | abrotman | i just wasn't sure if it was the same |
| 00:36.24 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: Open your I/O ports! |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: you want my O port? |
| 00:36.40 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: You want me I port? |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: think about the O port |
| 00:36.58 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: lust for the I port. |
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| 00:37.14 | abrotman | kfogel__: do you like sarge so far? |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: i'm lost .. let's stop |
| 00:37.22 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: Do I have to draw you a picture? |
| 00:37.24 | sgeigerb` | damn... |
| 00:37.34 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: the I looks phallic. |
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| 00:37.44 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:38.00 | WiFiTux | abrotman, is it working at or working in <place> |
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| 00:38.15 | sgeigerb` | ...and only that way |
| 00:38.26 | abrotman | WiFiTux: it depends on the place usually .. At for a company .. In for a town |
| 00:38.34 | abrotman | WiFiTux: roughly anyways |
| 00:38.38 | WiFiTux | abrotman, at then, thanks. |
| 00:38.54 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: you can |
| 00:39.01 | walnuck | WiFiTux: he uses and even bothers to *advocate m$win.. you can't teach a nut to dance but crackup |
| 00:39.19 | Xemacs_ | apt-cache add is "not implemented"? |
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| 00:39.23 | luite | is it possible to reconfigure the debian suexec wrapper (apache2) to use something other than /var/www as the docroot? |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | luite: did you try changing your ServerRoot in httpd.conf? |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | or whereever apache2 keeps it |
| 00:39.58 | bbrazil | luite: you'll have to recompile it |
| 00:40.02 | samuel | does debian compile scsi into the kernel? more specifically "scsi disk support" "scsi generic support" "probe all LUNs on each scsi device" "build with scsi report luns support"? is there a default kernel config i can check? |
| 00:40.05 | walnuck | luite: you can pass a config argument and use sudo, but you're better off doing it differently |
| 00:40.17 | abrotman | samuel: which versino of debian? |
| 00:40.17 | samuel | WITHOUT downloading all the sources? |
| 00:40.25 | samuel | unstable |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | samuel: did you try loading the modules? |
| 00:40.35 | samuel | cause the sources are sorto big... |
| 00:40.39 | luite | abrotman: I thought it was hardcoded into the suexec wrapper? |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | luite: i'm not sure .. |
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| 00:40.51 | abrotman | luite: sorry |
| 00:40.53 | bbrazil | it is hardcoded |
| 00:40.56 | walnuck | samuel: you can download the tarball and make use of make-kpkg kernel_image; kernel_sources and kernel_docs.. |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | bbrazil: says he knows better than me luite |
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| 00:41.15 | abrotman | why not make-kpkg binary |
| 00:41.27 | luite | hm, all my www's are in /data/www, how would I fix this? |
| 00:41.32 | samuel | abrotman, nope... i thought they would be compiled... i never thought they could be loaded... lemme see... thanks... |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | samuel: modconf |
| 00:41.55 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: you make me so hard-coded. |
| 00:42.00 | luite | symlinking /var/www to /data/www doesn't seem to help |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | !smack sgeigerb` |
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| 00:42.56 | samuel | abrotman, scsi_mod is loaded |
| 00:43.00 | walnuck | luite: avoid symlinking, edit Document Root in the config or #apache |
| 00:43.04 | abrotman | samuel: ok .. now what? |
| 00:43.46 | zignig | !oil sgeigerb` |
| 00:43.46 | abrotman | ew |
| 00:43.46 | abrotman | !rub zignig |
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| 00:43.46 | kfogel__ | abrotman: very happy with sarge, been using it at home and work for a while now. (This laptop was for someone else, actually -- an anthropology grad student who got sick of Windows) |
| 00:43.47 | abrotman | kfogel__: nice ... that's a daring venture for you .. hope she was cute :) |
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| 00:44.00 | luite | walnuck: that doesn't change anything in suexec |
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| 00:44.29 | kfogel__ | abrotman: well, that's a long story now, but anyway, she's very happy with Debian so far, yes! |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | kfogel__: good .. did you set the laptop up against testing or sarge? |
| 00:44.59 | walnuck | luite: how many apache servers are you running #>1!? |
| 00:45.01 | bbrazil | luite: how about moving /data/www to /var/www and symlinking /data/www to /var/www (to avoid breakage). You'll ptobably need to mess with DoucmentRoot |
| 00:45.03 | abrotman | kfogel__: and did you explain 'apt-get' ? |
| 00:45.05 | kfogel__ | abrotman: testing (I thought that *was* sarge?) |
| 00:45.16 | kfogel__ | abrotman: I always use testing. |
| 00:45.16 | dvs | kfogel__: that's true |
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| 00:45.20 | samuel | abrotman, nevermind.... thanks! all done |
| 00:45.23 | abrotman | kfogel__: but testing will always be testing .. sarge will one day be stable .. see the difference? |
| 00:45.30 | kfogel__ | abrotman: I explained apt-get, but I don't think she's actually used it herself yet. She totally gets the concept, though. |
| 00:45.34 | dvs | kfogel__: sarge will become stable "soon" |
| 00:45.40 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:45.40 | dpkg | [refcard] http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 00:45.43 | abrotman | kfogel__: ^^ |
| 00:45.48 | abrotman | good stuff for people |
| 00:46.00 | kfogel__ | dvs: ah. But as long as I keep my /etc/apt/sources.list the same, I'll just push over into the new testing without any special action on my part, right? As I update stuff, I mean? |
| 00:46.01 | luite | bbrazil: hm, that wouldn't be practical, my /var is way too small for that so I'd have to mess with the partitions |
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| 00:46.26 | dvs | kfogel__: What do you have sources.list? sarge or testing? |
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| 00:46.39 | abrotman | kfogel__: if you point at testing .. you will get new packages always .. if you point at sarge .. it will become stable .. updates only security wise |
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| 00:47.42 | kfogel__ | abrotman: I always point at testing, fortunately |
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| 00:47.51 | abrotman | kfogel__: well .. you could certainly change it |
| 00:47.54 | resiak | kfogel__: Why fortunate? |
| 00:47.55 | bbrazil | luite: mount --bind. its probably easier to just recompile suexec |
| 00:47.56 | luite | isn't it possible to install the apache 2 package with a slight modification? like getting the source package, change the configuration for suexec in the makefile and then compile the binary package? |
| 00:47.58 | abrotman | kfogel__: it won't affect anything now |
| 00:47.59 | giupy | impression about ECS G900 with prescott 1mb cache ? |
| 00:48.02 | kfogel__ | abrotman: thanks for the ref card, I forwarded it to her |
| 00:48.10 | resiak | Isn't suexec in there? |
| 00:48.14 | abrotman | kfogel__: honestly .. if i were setting up a machine for a newbie . i woudl point at sarge |
| 00:48.15 | kfogel__ | dvs: the word "sarge" appears not in my sources.list, only "testing" :-) |
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| 00:48.34 | Cytrex | can someone help me? |
| 00:48.36 | directhex | giupy, prescott si hotter & slower than amd64 |
| 00:48.37 | kfogel__ | abrotman: well, I want her running the same thing I'm running, so we don't have gratuitously different experiences |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | kfogel__: and once that person was accustomed to debian .. maybe then move to etch/testing |
| 00:48.45 | resiak | !nickometer [Zakje]RvGaTe |
| 00:48.45 | dpkg | '[Zakje]RvGaTe' is 99.9421% lame, resiak |
| 00:48.48 | abrotman | kfogel__: oh .. that's a good plan .. |
| 00:49.00 | kfogel__ | abrotman: testing has rarely caused me a problem, so I'm pretty comfortable with it. |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | Cytrex: just ask |
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| 00:49.05 | giupy | directhex duuno but there is only pentium4 in that notebook |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | kfogel__: dunno .. my totem is broken right now |
| 00:49.16 | [Zakje]RvGaTe | resiak? wtf? haha |
| 00:49.17 | luite | bbrazil: I upgraded to apache 2.0 to finally get my webserver fully package managed so recompiling suexec is kind of a disappointment ;) |
| 00:49.19 | kfogel__ | abrotman: totem? |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | !totem |
| 00:49.25 | dpkg | methinks totem is a gnome movie player that uses libxine. |
| 00:49.31 | kfogel__ | ah |
| 00:49.37 | abrotman | kfogel__: makes video .. no sound .. figure that out |
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| 00:49.41 | resiak | luite: What's wrong with a2enmod suexec, out of interest? |
| 00:49.44 | Cytrex | Well, I am new at Debian. I have version 3.0 R2. I get the base system installed but I cant find out how to get KDE or somthing on.. |
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| 00:49.47 | kfogel__ | abrotman: urg. And your sound works normally? |
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| 00:49.52 | Cytrex | how do I do this? (Keep in mind I am new at this) |
| 00:50.05 | directhex | Cytrex, apt-get install kde, as root |
| 00:50.09 | luite | resiak: nothing wrong with that, except that it doesn't seem to like cgi files outside of /var/www :) |
| 00:50.09 | bbrazil | luite: its probably just a single file to compile. did you look at mount --bind ? |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | in woody? |
| 00:50.17 | abrotman | kfogel__: yeah .. dunno why |
| 00:50.17 | directhex | Cytrex, thorugh woody (3.0) only has packages from 2002, such as kde 2 |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | kde2.2.2. |
| 00:50.31 | kfogel__ | resiak: because I like the clotting edge |
| 00:50.33 | kfogel__ | :-) |
| 00:50.34 | resiak | luite: Does fixing that really need a recompile? :| |
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| 00:50.47 | Kerr | Xfree is eating 20% of my cpu, according to top. is there a way to make it behave that does not involve restarting it ? |
| 00:50.50 | Guerin | no, it doesn't |
| 00:50.51 | resiak | kfogel__: Begone to #gentoo :p |
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| 00:50.57 | Guerin | luite: fix our config |
| 00:51.02 | Guerin | s/our/your/ |
| 00:51.13 | abrotman | resiak: bah .. that's nto bad .. i've been running testing for almost 4 years |
| 00:51.14 | luite | resiak: it has quite a lot hardcoded for security... but I was not entirely sure whether it needs to be recompiled, that's why I asked here |
| 00:51.19 | lunaphyte | what does the -f mean in this statement? - if [ -f /etc/hostname ] |
| 00:51.20 | dico | JHF |
| 00:51.29 | resiak | abrotman: I was joking :) |
| 00:51.30 | Guerin | luite: man test |
| 00:51.31 | kfogel__ | lunaphyte: "if it is a file" |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | i think it's that long |
| 00:51.40 | walnuck | lunaphyte: help test|less |
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| 00:51.50 | Cytrex | Where exactly is apt-get? is it a command? |
| 00:51.59 | lunaphyte | walnuck: thanks! |
| 00:52.01 | veleno | how /etc/fstab should look like when using software-raid devices? in particular: what about the swap partition? |
| 00:52.02 | kfogel__ | Cytrex: /usr/bin/apt-get for me, always run it as root |
| 00:52.07 | kfogel__ | Cytrex: standard usage is: |
| 00:52.08 | walnuck | lunaphyte: its bash.. |
| 00:52.11 | Guerin | !tell Cytrex about fundamentals |
| 00:52.21 | kfogel__ | Cytrex: ah, never mind, Guerin is helping better |
| 00:52.30 | luite | Guerin: I can't really move this partition around, it's quite an old system and I don't have physical access to it... mount --bind might help though |
| 00:52.33 | walnuck | lunaphyte: np |
| 00:52.39 | kfogel__ | Cytrex: well, just in case: as root, 'apt-get update', then 'apt-get install SOME_PACKAGE_NAME_HERE' |
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| 00:53.05 | calmar | !tell calmar about fundamentals |
| 00:53.19 | lunaphyte | ah - i get it - a way to make sure a file is there before you try to use it, for example? |
| 00:53.21 | anti-windows | If I want to disallow one of my users from using SSH, but I still want them to be able to use FTP (vsFTPd), what are my options? They can't login to FTP even if I set their shell to /bin/false .? |
| 00:53.24 | kfogel__ | abrotman: okay, submitted to linux-on-laptops |
| 00:53.29 | kfogel__ | lunaphyte: for example, yes |
| 00:53.29 | Guerin | luite: in apache 1.3, you can make any arbitrary dir +execcgi using httpd.conf |
| 00:53.45 | Guerin | luite: if that's no longer the case with apache2, I'd consider it horribly broken |
| 00:53.56 | bbrazil | anti-windows: man sshd_config - theres a bad_users or something |
| 00:54.00 | TCW | [01:45:35] <dvs> kfogel__: sarge will become stable "soon" <<--- what the heck? Blasphemy!!! ;) |
| 00:54.05 | luite | Guerin: true, if you don't use sueexec (was the same with 1.3), which requires a hardcoded wwwroot |
| 00:54.07 | abrotman | kfogel__: linux-laptop.net you mean? |
| 00:54.09 | Pumpkin_Pie | lolol |
| 00:54.18 | anti-windows | bbrazil: thanks! |
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| 00:54.21 | luite | bbhill: hm, one last question though: what's a good place to put the mount --bind in the startup scripts? |
| 00:54.26 | walnuck | veleno: apt-cache search raid|grep tool |
| 00:54.30 | Pumpkin_Pie | it would be worse if they said "relatively soon" |
| 00:54.38 | kfogel__ | abrotman: they seem to have several urls, actually, but that was the one I went to, yes |
| 00:54.46 | zignig | !+wir |
| 00:54.46 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | kfogel__: 905EA? |
| 00:55.55 | bbrazil | luite: /etc/fstab |
| 00:56.07 | kfogel__ | abrotman: 900US I think |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | kfogel__: oh . i did'nt see |
| 00:56.18 | luite | bbrazil: ok, tnx... didn't know that bind was supported there :) |
| 00:56.21 | abrotman | i didn't know if they would verify it or not |
| 00:56.23 | kfogel__ | abrotman: (although I forgot to put that in the subject line, oops) |
| 00:56.29 | kfogel__ | abrotman: it's in the page name & the content, though |
| 00:56.36 | veleno | walnuck: i'm usin mdadm to setup the array |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | kfogel__: url? |
| 00:56.53 | bbrazil | luite: hmm, it mightn't be |
| 00:57.03 | PR- | i instaled the saa7134 drivers for kernel-2.4.27 and when i run scantv, don't detect any channel, and my dmesg presents :saa7134[0]/audio: audio carrier scan failed, using 5.500 MHz [default] |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | kfogel__: i just don't see it . ah well |
| 00:57.21 | walnuck | veleno: I have no clue, sorry |
| 00:57.29 | kfogel__ | abrotman: they review, it won't go up until they let it go up |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | kfogel__: i'm very glad it worked for you |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | kfogel__: now you can to tell Ars to shove it up thier arse :) |
| 00:57.52 | kfogel__ | abrotman: "Ars" ? |
| 00:58.00 | abrotman | kfogel__: Ars says we are mean |
| 00:58.08 | abrotman | Ars technica |
| 00:58.25 | walnuck | veleno: dhelp might pull out some raid docs |
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| 00:59.21 | abrotman | no way |
| 00:59.23 | Leimy | way |
| 00:59.25 | abrotman | go back to hell |
| 00:59.30 | abrotman | Snarf! |
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| 00:59.43 | resiak | Meh? |
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| 00:59.48 | Leimy | :) |
| 00:59.50 | abrotman | resiak: i went to college with Leimy |
| 00:59.54 | resiak | Ah. |
| 00:59.55 | Leimy | yes he did |
| 01:00.00 | Leimy | we used to get drunk a lot |
| 01:00.03 | abrotman | resiak: he watched me chase geese |
| 01:00.13 | Leimy | and then I'd walk somewhere that's not really my house from the bar |
| 01:00.15 | resiak | abrotman: The feathery kind? |
| 01:00.18 | Leimy | yep |
| 01:00.21 | Leimy | we were driving around |
| 01:00.28 | Leimy | and we stopped at a stop sign |
| 01:00.37 | zamson | under which directory should i install for instance mozilla firefox for debian? |
| 01:00.42 | Leimy | abrotman sees some geese and throws open the door and runs and chases them |
| 01:00.51 | resiak | zamson: You should use apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 01:00.53 | jdhutchin1 | zamson, use the debian package |
| 01:00.55 | Leimy | with me sitting in the passenger seat buckled in and the door open |
| 01:00.56 | resiak | zamson: (as root) |
| 01:00.58 | Leimy | punkass :) |
| 01:01.00 | walnuck | i'm wondering if it is ever possible mime-types are more than a work of art |
| 01:01.06 | resiak | Leimy: Hahah. |
| 01:01.07 | zamson | thx |
| 01:01.07 | abrotman | resiak: yes .. the flying kind |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | and the mud! |
| 01:01.36 | Leimy | yeah |
| 01:01.42 | Leimy | what were we doing in Castanea anyway? |
| 01:01.51 | Leimy | I surely don't remember |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | dunno .. goofing off .. avoiding your ex? |
| 01:02.02 | Leimy | oh yes |
| 01:02.10 | Leimy | my ex |
| 01:02.12 | rato | oi |
| 01:02.12 | abrotman | resiak: you pervert |
| 01:02.16 | Leimy | she was good to avoid before she was my ex |
| 01:02.19 | Leimy | now it's easy |
| 01:02.24 | Leimy | I moved across the country :P) |
| 01:02.33 | resiak | abrotman: Hey, I'm tired and skim-reading. |
| 01:02.34 | Leimy | :P) == harelip? |
| 01:02.43 | abrotman | she moved to another country .. Pittsburgh i think it's called |
| 01:02.52 | rato | oi |
| 01:02.54 | nvz | heh\ |
| 01:02.59 | abrotman | doh |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | he caught me |
| 01:03.05 | nvz | heh |
| 01:03.20 | resiak | Bah, you Americans. |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | nvz: Leimy lived in Polish hill iirc |
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| 01:03.28 | Leimy | abrotman: yes I did |
| 01:03.31 | Leimy | for a few months |
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| 01:03.48 | Leimy | anyway gonna run |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | bye |
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| 01:04.08 | zignig | nvz: how many ? |
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| 01:04.26 | abrotman | nvz: you ding on Pittsburgh? |
| 01:04.32 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:05.06 | nvz | abrotman: nope I dont ding. I dont use sound events they annoy me |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | nvz: ah .. but you highlight |
| 01:05.21 | nvz | esp.pl |
| 01:05.25 | nvz | heh j/k |
| 01:05.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:05.37 | abrotman | no . i don't use sound |
| 01:05.46 | abrotman | it's all turned off .. except XMMS and flash |
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| 01:06.16 | Guerin | computers ought to be seen and not heard |
| 01:06.30 | Guerin | with exceptions for audio/video |
| 01:06.48 | resiak | Guerin: Where they ought to be heard but not seen? |
| 01:06.52 | nvz | I hate sound events. the flashing of the screen and the msg in the screen session is enough for me. I dont even have highlights on anything but EE cause I havent taken them out of the config. I dont ever backup my config for some reason |
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| 01:07.28 | Guerin | resiak: i'd be quite disappointed if my computer turned invisible every time I played music on it |
| 01:07.38 | abrotman | poof! |
| 01:07.43 | Guerin | though it would give me an excuse for my appalling typistry |
| 01:07.51 | nvz | I need to fix that though, I definatly have no reason to highlight EE, he rarely says anything. |
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| 01:08.08 | resiak | Hah. |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | i tried to ask him why he's electric .. |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | he didnt' answer |
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| 01:09.36 | dondelelcaro | IrcOfDelphi: Please do *NOT* do that |
| 01:09.42 | IrcOfDelphi | HEH |
| 01:09.45 | IrcOfDelphi | sorry |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | ever |
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| 01:10.19 | abrotman | never ever |
| 01:10.23 | bratner | I have a second harddrive on my debian(sid) machine and i want to preinstall debian on it and then to transfer it to another computer. what will be the best way to do that ? |
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| 01:10.49 | pipeline | hahah, and his own version reply indicates that IrcOfDelphi is an internet tough guy. Also known as a mincing faggot. |
| 01:10.51 | dondelelcaro | bratner: with debootstrap, typically. |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | kfogel__: any more questions i can answer? |
| 01:11.00 | zignig | bratner: remove all the other drives and just install. |
| 01:11.08 | ricochet | Question, Where is the default browser specified in debian? R wants to use sensible-browser, thunderbird tries to use epiphany (which crashes everytime), some programs start konqueror, but I cannot find settings in said programs for where they define which browser to use. Any useful info? |
| 01:11.08 | kfogel__ | abrotman: no, everything's working now, thanks! |
| 01:11.11 | dondelelcaro | bratner: but zignig's approach will work well. |
| 01:11.15 | abrotman | kfogel__: ok .. time for food!! |
| 01:11.37 | directhex | ricochet, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 01:11.44 | kfogel__ | abrotman: likewise. Enjoy! If you send me the bill, I will pay it :-). (I'm serious, so don't go on a sushi binge now.) |
| 01:11.55 | directhex | ricochet, that will change many, though thunderbird uses the Gnome default browser |
| 01:11.57 | dondelelcaro | ricochet: everything should be using sensible-browser, which should usually obey BROWSER and /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser or /etc/alternatives/www-browser |
| 01:11.58 | jbr | ricochet: also see "man sensible-browser", "man environ" on $BROWSER |
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| 01:12.16 | abrotman | kfogel__: you owe me a beer :) |
| 01:12.22 | kfogel__ | abrotman: deal. |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | kfogel__: so either you come to philly .. or i'll go where you live |
| 01:12.38 | bratner | actually i alredy tired zignig's way. debootstrap it is then. |
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| 01:13.17 | kfogel__ | abrotman: not sure when I can next travel east, but I'm in Chicago -- the CollabNet Chicago office is 53 W. Jackson, Suite 201, drop by! |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | kfogel__: i'll find you if i go out there again .. i was just out in WI for xmas |
| 01:13.39 | directhex | ricochet, for thunderbird, run gnome-default-applications-properties and select a browser as gnome default |
| 01:14.16 | kfogel__ | abrotman: cool. Okay, food time. (kfogel picks up his spear and goes to hunt down dinner) |
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| 01:15.32 | Eno_ | how can i make a keybinding to run a program in gnome (doesnt have to be a gnome app)? |
| 01:16.01 | ricochet | thanks all, i've been battling that for months. finally had time to ask. All fixed. |
| 01:16.02 | walnuck | Eno_: ion! |
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| 01:16.27 | Eno_ | walnuck: ion? |
| 01:16.33 | walnuck | Eno_: a wm |
| 01:16.45 | Eno_ | ooh |
| 01:17.16 | Eno_ | but i don't want a new wm... |
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| 01:18.38 | Eclipser | gnome is not wm :) |
| 01:18.45 | Eno_ | but metacity is.. |
| 01:18.59 | zamson | iv'e installed debian and I'm in the gui now.. i have another partition that hasnt been formatted yet. how do i format this partition? |
| 01:19.00 | Eclipser | yup |
| 01:19.12 | yxa | is there exist a text .doc reader? |
| 01:19.21 | Eno_ | bah, i'll take a look at ion hehe |
| 01:19.23 | walnuck | Eno_: ion offers keybindings, if your console freako, screen is to go |
| 01:19.28 | Eno_ | if its my only choice :) |
| 01:19.28 | TCW | zamolxes, man mkfs |
| 01:19.44 | Eno_ | okay |
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| 01:19.55 | Eclipser | yxa, openoffice can read MS office documents |
| 01:19.57 | TCW | zamson, man mkfs .oO( sorry zamolxes *g* ) |
| 01:20.00 | pipeline | Eno_: Gnome doesn't actually force you to use metacity. But I don't think you'll like gnome very much using say, ratpoison. |
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| 01:20.06 | Eno_ | walnuck: ion2 works in gnome right? |
| 01:20.14 | thebholdr | is there a way in linux i can force all browsers in the network to point to the company's website without going to individual workstations? |
| 01:20.32 | zamson | tcw ? |
| 01:20.40 | TCW | zamson, and if you feel like asking such things... read a good "getting started"-book :) |
| 01:20.51 | dezent_ | thebholdr: the dns ? |
| 01:20.53 | walnuck | Eno_: gnome is easy, keybindings? Try F1 |
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| 01:21.04 | TCW | zamson, whats up? |
| 01:21.06 | Kerr | are there any good, free alternatives to wine? |
| 01:21.15 | pipeline | Kerr: wine IS free. |
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| 01:21.27 | markkitt | anyone know how to fix this: "PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/ |
| 01:21.28 | markkitt | mysql.so' - /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.10: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not d |
| 01:21.28 | markkitt | efined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 01:21.41 | TCW | pipeline, say thet in france and you get killed ;) |
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| 01:21.44 | TCW | that even |
| 01:21.50 | luite | hm, strange, mount --bind doesn't fix the "cannot get docroot information (/var/www)" error |
| 01:21.58 | thebholdr | dezent_: nope, i want all users to first read the company news before they can start surfing other sites, so i want to force their browsers to go to the company website first.. |
| 01:22.08 | dondelelcaro | markkitt: you've got the wrong verison of php4-mysql installed for the version of libmysqlclient that you've got installed. |
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| 01:22.25 | dezent_ | thebholdr: well maybe the company proxy then |
| 01:22.35 | dezent_ | thebholdr: or set it as startpage |
| 01:22.44 | markkitt | dondelelcaro: any idea what the right version is? |
| 01:22.53 | dondelelcaro | markkitt: are you running stable? |
| 01:23.00 | pipeline | Kerr: If you need help configuring it, try sidenet config http://sidenet.ddo.jp/winetips/config.html -- it actually runs ie6 http://tinyurl.com/6wxob |
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| 01:24.10 | markkitt | This is with the 2.6.2 kernel package |
| 01:24.25 | dondelelcaro | markkitt: uh, that's not the question I was asking... |
| 01:24.31 | markkitt | The problem occurred with the kernel upgrade from 2.4.18-2 to 2.6.2 |
| 01:24.33 | markkitt | I know |
| 01:24.35 | markkitt | random info |
| 01:24.42 | markkitt | one sec |
| 01:24.53 | fpmc | is AMD64 just IA64? |
| 01:24.58 | markkitt | It came out of testing |
| 01:25.00 | dondelelcaro | markkitt: paste the output of dpkg -l libmysqlclient10 libc6 php4 php4-mysql; into #flood (or /msg dpkg paster) |
| 01:25.04 | markkitt | fpmc: no, they are different |
| 01:25.14 | fishhead | I love fox news |
| 01:25.14 | fishhead | [20:18] <fishhead> this guys is totally full of shit |
| 01:25.14 | fishhead | [20:18] <fishhead> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143933,00.html |
| 01:25.16 | pipeline | fpmc: No. AMD64 is a 64-bit extension to ia32. |
| 01:25.22 | directhex | fpmc, no, completely unrelated |
| 01:25.24 | fishhead | if anyone feels the need to correct foxc |
| 01:25.26 | dondelelcaro | fpmc: emt64=AMD64. IA64 is itanium |
| 01:25.27 | fishhead | be my guest |
| 01:25.45 | Kerr | pipeline: I wasn't refering to wine with the free part.. it's just that whenever iv'e asked before people reccomend vmware ~.~ |
| 01:25.46 | fpmc | no problem that's what I thought, just wondering where I can download debian for AMD64 but dont' see matching platform name |
| 01:25.52 | dondelelcaro | !amd64 |
| 01:25.52 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 01:25.58 | thebholdr | dezent_: that's 80 units were talking here, no way i can go to individual workstations and changing their homepages wherein they can change them also |
| 01:26.00 | Eno_ | walnuck: i don't want to use ion... :/ |
| 01:26.02 | directhex | fpmc, amd64 is fast at 32bit and fast at 64bit. ia64 is okay for 64bit, and blows for 32bit (which it needs to emulate rather than do natively) |
| 01:26.31 | markkitt | dondelelcaro: I just pasted it |
| 01:26.39 | pipeline | fpmc: IA64 is wicked fast at floating point, mediocre at integer calculations, costs a bloody fuckload, and is able to emulate both PA-RISC and ia32. |
| 01:26.52 | dezent_ | thebholdr: why not ?.. maybe you could use magic.. if you dont want to do anything with the dns and not the proxy... |
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| 01:27.59 | thebholdr | dezent_: is it possible to that in squid proxy |
| 01:28.18 | dezent_ | thebholdr: i dont know.. never done it |
| 01:28.26 | pipeline | Kerr: Well, what are you doing? |
| 01:28.40 | markkitt | thanks for your help, btw |
| 01:28.42 | dezent_ | thebholdr: you could ask them to go to the site via e-mail |
| 01:28.59 | Kerr | pipeline: Wanted to get ares lite to run. Got a bucket of errors from wine. |
| 01:29.08 | pipeline | Kerr: Wine runs windows applications natively on a linux desktop. VMWare is a full-fledged PC emulator that will run any PC software you want, with a speed penalty. |
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| 01:29.34 | dezent_ | hehe |
| 01:29.37 | karrot-x | apt: prove it |
| 01:29.46 | Kerr | pipeline: vmware comes with more than a speed penality. I'm a poor student. i'd have to give up food, to use it. |
| 01:29.49 | dezent_ | karrot-x: [02:29] -->chfn (~root@c9061c48.virtua.com.br) has joined #debian |
| 01:29.50 | directhex | Kerr, vmware also requires you to buy the os you want to run in it (as do win4lin and qemu) |
| 01:29.59 | karrot-x | dezent_: i was kidding :) |
| 01:30.03 | dezent_ | karrot-x: =) |
| 01:30.29 | karrot-x | i think from now on i'm gonna make root uid 1 |
| 01:30.37 | dezent_ | haha |
| 01:30.37 | karrot-x | and making pananda uid 0 |
| 01:30.39 | karrot-x | :) |
| 01:30.47 | karrot-x | then go irc'ing with root |
| 01:30.50 | karrot-x | should be fun |
| 01:31.00 | jdhutchin1 | or just set your username to be root |
| 01:31.07 | jdhutchin1 | and don't use an ident server |
| 01:31.11 | karrot-x | jdhutchin1: pssh |
| 01:31.42 | pipeline | Kerr, directhex: You need a valid windows license to run most windows applications anyway. Wine is not a windows emulator, only a binary compatibility measure. |
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| 01:31.57 | Kerr | I know. |
| 01:32.13 | Kerr | i tried to write the acronym out on paper once when drunk. it hurt my hand. |
| 01:32.15 | AdeP | Has anyone produced a reliable and free (of cost) VM to run win32 apps under Linux? I know there had been a few projects, last I heard they were still fairly buggy. |
| 01:32.35 | jdhutchin1 | pipeline, if I buy a windows program, but don't own windows, can I still run it under wine? |
| 01:32.38 | chfn | Hi guys, I installed right now debian to use for web services and I need to opt my distro *woody* . Can I use that french package apt-build to opt using woody? Is it good ? |
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| 01:33.16 | pipeline | jdhutchin1: Almost certainly not. A few things will. If it only depends on windows system libraries, and nothing else, then yes. |
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| 01:33.39 | chfn | guys? |
| 01:33.45 | pipeline | jdhutchin1: For example, you can run things like Windows Solitaire without any files from microsoft.com |
| 01:33.49 | Guerin | chfn: um, what? |
| 01:33.54 | nvz | chfn: what about girls? |
| 01:33.55 | chfn | Hi guys, I installed right now debian to use for web services and I need to opt my distro *woody* . Can I use that french package apt-build to opt using woody? Is it good ? |
| 01:34.01 | chfn | guerin read |
| 01:34.04 | Guerin | chfn: don't repeat |
| 01:34.04 | nvz | chfn: stop repeating |
| 01:34.11 | dondelelcaro | markkitt: uh, why is php4 not installed? |
| 01:34.13 | Guerin | chfn: what you want to do it unclear |
| 01:34.14 | chfn | nvz ok |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman | !french |
| 01:34.19 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
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| 01:34.25 | pipeline | Kerr, directhex, jdhutchin1: The problem isn't that you need a windows CD, or a windows installation, you need a windows *license*. Microsoft makes nearly all of its free downloads of dlls and IE and the like conditional on your owning a windows license. |
| 01:34.26 | Guerin | chfn: what did you install? |
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| 01:34.33 | pipeline | Kerr: Uh, ares lite works fine on wine. |
| 01:34.37 | pipeline | Kerr: I'm using it right now. |
| 01:34.42 | chfn | guerin I need to optimize all my distro for my arch |
| 01:34.48 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 01:34.58 | pipeline | AdeP: Wine works fine, but you still need a windows license to use microsoft's libraries. This should not be a surprise. |
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| 01:35.06 | Guerin | chfn: what arch is that? |
| 01:35.09 | chfn | guerin I'm using woody. apt-build do it fine for sid but ... I need for woody |
| 01:35.27 | Kerr | pipeline: yeah. worked fine on my friends pc too. just not on mine O.o |
| 01:35.33 | Kerr | i probably got a corrupt file ~.~ |
| 01:35.35 | chfn | Guerin i386 but I hate bin from apt. I need to optimize more |
| 01:35.49 | nvz | heh |
| 01:35.51 | jdhutchin1 | chfn, what do you mean, "optimize more" ? |
| 01:35.53 | pipeline | Kerr: delete your ~/.wine and such, then use sidenet config like I originally advised you do. |
| 01:35.57 | Guerin | chfn: no, you don't. |
| 01:36.07 | nvz | jdhutchin1: www.funroll-loops.org |
| 01:36.08 | Guerin | chfn: you might think you do, but it's all smoke and mirrors. |
| 01:36.19 | dondelelcaro | markkitt: moreover, why do you have php4-mysql from testing with the libmysqlclient10 from stable? |
| 01:36.33 | chfn | Guerin hey man: apt-build get the package from source and build for your pc. |
| 01:36.33 | Kerr | .. I have programs i use in .wine ~.~ ,,, sidnet ? |
| 01:36.35 | nvz | jdhutchin1: unless you really like troll bites, you might as well hang it up now while you are ahead ;) |
| 01:36.38 | dondelelcaro | markkitt: that's not going to work at all. You either need to get a real backport, or upgrade to testing completely. |
| 01:36.47 | Guerin | chfn: I know about apt-build, thanks. |
| 01:36.56 | dezent | chfn: why do you hate binaries from apt ? |
| 01:37.08 | chfn | dezent I dont hate. I like! |
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| 01:37.22 | Guerin | chfn: I suggest backporting apt-build to woody, or running gentoo if you want everything 0pt1m1z3d |
| 01:37.28 | pipeline | Kerr: Delete all that crap and follow the advice I just gave you. |
| 01:37.32 | nvz | jdhutchin1: this one's got gentooitis, wou wouldnt want to get an infection |
| 01:37.35 | AdeP | pipeline: Does it support all win32 apps now? I haven't used wine in a very long time, at that time it wouldn't run all programs though. |
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| 01:37.49 | chfn | Guerin is it safe to backport apt-build for woody? |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | !french |
| 01:37.55 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 01:38.00 | chfn | guerin I know gentoo :) |
| 01:38.13 | Guerin | chfn: I don't know, but I don't see why it wouldn't be. |
| 01:38.14 | pipeline | AdeP: Some programs still won't run. Office 2003, for example. Most things do. I can't think of anything that doesn't, actually. |
| 01:38.17 | LeoNerd | Hi all; I had a question in reply to an email "branden@debian.org" wrote; I thought I'd start asking in here if he's about... |
| 01:38.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:38.25 | AdeP | pipeline: Games? |
| 01:38.26 | Kerr | pipeline: I have a lot of stuff in .wine ; none crap. |
| 01:38.37 | pipeline | AdeP: Most games don't work at all. |
| 01:38.41 | AdeP | pipeline: Oh. |
| 01:38.44 | chfn | guerin do you have any bookmark about how to backport for woody? |
| 01:38.45 | pipeline | Kerr: *shrug* that's your own problem. |
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| 01:38.49 | Guerin | LeoNerd: /msg dpkg overfiend |
| 01:38.53 | nvz | abrotman: thats the 2nd time in 5 minutes you have referenced that factiod. I don't know what you are getting at, but maybe you should try a more direct approach |
| 01:38.53 | pipeline | AdeP: If it uses directX, it probably doesn't work. |
| 01:38.58 | Guerin | !tell chfn about simple sid backport |
| 01:38.59 | dezent | chfn: whats the installation for ? |
| 01:39.01 | abrotman | nvz: no way |
| 01:39.02 | Kerr | also, i use sarge. never heard of sidnet |
| 01:39.05 | AdeP | pipeline: Oh. ok. |
| 01:39.09 | pipeline | AdeP: Most games work OK in Transgaming Winex, but there's one problem. |
| 01:39.11 | chfn | guerin apt-get.org and backports.org does not have |
| 01:39.13 | abrotman | nvz: you don't see me going !yinz nvz :) |
| 01:39.16 | chfn | dezent for server |
| 01:39.24 | nvz | abrotman: heh |
| 01:39.27 | dezent | chfn: www ? |
| 01:39.32 | chfn | pipeline USE CEDENGA MAN |
| 01:39.32 | AdeP | pipeline: ...which is? |
| 01:39.36 | chfn | dezent no |
| 01:39.38 | Guerin | chfn: I would suggest NOT rebuilding word from scratch if you're running a server, |
| 01:39.42 | pipeline | AdeP: Transgaming started playing hanky panky with the licenses a while ago, and they forked an ancient version of wine. Nobody donates patches to their crazy fork, so Winex is really, really, really old. |
| 01:39.48 | dezent | chfn: great answer |
| 01:39.50 | directhex | AdeP, it's non-free, in both senses of the word |
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| 01:39.51 | Guerin | s/word/world/ |
| 01:39.57 | nvz | abrotman: #debian-yinz? |
| 01:39.57 | chfn | guerin ok |
| 01:40.10 | directhex | pipeline, the wine base is, the directx bits on top are pretty fresh |
| 01:40.13 | chfn | dezent www dns share net ... |
| 01:40.17 | Guerin | chfn: you are almost certain to fuck things up which will come back to haunt you. |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | nvz: i couldn't do it .. i can spell that badly |
| 01:40.24 | pipeline | AdeP: That is to say, some things that don't work at all in real Wine mostly-work in Winex/Cedega, but most things work better in wine. |
| 01:40.35 | LeoNerd | Ah.. :) Then in that case, anyone else here have a Logitech Elite Duo keyboard or similar? I have 4 keys on it that don't send scancodes, either according to xev, or showkeys -k. Any thoughts, anyone? |
| 01:40.40 | chfn | guerin so why freebsd ports its safe to use make world SO ? |
| 01:40.45 | pipeline | directhex: Yeah, well, Transgaming shot themselves in the foot when they started fucking around with licenses. I've given up on cedega entirely, because it jus sucks so much ass. |
| 01:41.02 | nvz | abrotman: yeah its hard sometimes, I guess you have to be a natual Picksburgher and sound dumb as a Texan |
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| 01:41.10 | AdeP | pipeline: Ok, thank you. |
| 01:41.11 | chfn | guerin apt-build is still not good enought? |
| 01:41.19 | pipeline | ADeP, directhex: Cedega/Winex pretty much *only* works on games. |
| 01:41.44 | dezent | chfn: compile bind and apache php and the other daemons and its pretty optimized.. for all i know you probably dont need to optimize it |
| 01:41.47 | directhex | pipeline, yes, well, i know that much. though i tend to try badly behaved apps with both |
| 01:41.56 | Guerin | chfn: freebsd is a different OS - it's been tested and its default build options are known-sane. Your only purpose in making world with apt-build is optimisation, so you're liable to build with stupid options like -O6 |
| 01:41.58 | kaplanfx | what licence is wine? GPL? |
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| 01:42.11 | chfn | dezent really ? |
| 01:42.11 | debian | kaplanfx: aye |
| 01:42.19 | dezent | chfn: if youre going to use it for gw/www/dns/ ... |
| 01:42.20 | ArCHoNKoG | when i try to get X to work i get no screen found error |
| 01:42.22 | pipeline | directhex: Heh, I've learned to just give up if it doesn't work in WineHQ wine. Winex is hopeless. They've actually broken things that used to work fine. |
| 01:42.34 | kaplanfx | so then why isn't transgaming required to give the dx stuff back to the wine project |
| 01:42.35 | Guerin | chfn: I'm not saying it can't be done; I'm saying 1) it shouldn't, on a production box and 2) there's no real point anyway |
| 01:42.38 | kaplanfx | same for crossover |
| 01:42.40 | nvz | kaplanfx: ask #wine, or look up the project website |
| 01:42.40 | ArCHoNKoG | failed to load nvidia modules it was working befor i upgraded |
| 01:42.53 | dezent | chfn: get one server for each service ? |
| 01:42.55 | directhex | pipeline, well, so has winehq wine. i've had directx games work in older winehq wines then stop |
| 01:43.00 | guru | i have the ufs module loaded, however i cannot mount my freebsd 5.3 partition using moung -t ufs -o ro,ufstype=44bsd /dev/hdd1 /mnt/freebsd...am i doing something wrong? |
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| 01:43.04 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules |
| 01:43.09 | pipeline | directhex: DirectX is a special case because it's so hard to re-implement. |
| 01:43.11 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, problem with udev. |
| 01:43.21 | pipeline | directhex: dX is all about tickling the hardware directly. |
| 01:43.22 | directhex | kaplanfx, because wine didn't used to be gpl |
| 01:43.36 | kaplanfx | directhex: ah, hence why its based on an old fork |
| 01:43.36 | chfn | dezent right now I dont have more then one to do all these services. :( |
| 01:43.41 | Kerr | pipeline: what is sidenet, it has no man entry on my box, and i couldn't find it with apt-cache search. |
| 01:43.42 | abrotman | nvz: dont' they all? |
| 01:43.47 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex: not sure whats the problem its not letting me load the modules and i have the latest drivers |
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| 01:44.04 | pipeline | kaplanfx: Well, it's not about requirements. Crossover voluntarily cooperated with the community from day one. |
| 01:44.04 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, have you recently upgraded your kernel or x packages? |
| 01:44.13 | dezent | chfn: www.apt-get.org there are som packages thats recompiled for i686 |
| 01:44.16 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex: upgrade the kernel |
| 01:44.23 | Guerin | dezent: not that it matters |
| 01:44.23 | kaplanfx | pipeline: so crossover gives their patches back to wine? |
| 01:44.25 | nvz | abrotman: I guess so, but I actually learned to talk in Texas, so my pittsburghese has a genuine texas accent |
| 01:44.31 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, you use nvidia-installer? |
| 01:44.33 | pipeline | Kerr: I sent you the damn link. Search for "sidenet config" on google. It's a script that configures wine for you. Just download it, start the script, and hit "0" when it prompts you. |
| 01:44.33 | chfn | dezent thanks! but I already searched there |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | nvz: this must sound bad :) |
| 01:44.44 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex: from nvidia.com ? |
| 01:44.45 | nvz | abrotman: I spent a few years down here as a young child |
| 01:44.52 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, yes, from nvidia.com |
| 01:44.58 | chfn | Guerin so my way out is use freebsd. :( |
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| 01:45.03 | pipeline | kaplanfx: Yeah. They've always been "good citizens." Transgaming were such pricks, for such a long time, that the WineHQ people ran out of patience and changed to a slightly more restrictive license. |
| 01:45.08 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex: no |
| 01:45.15 | Guerin | chfn: no. Your way out is to use plain woody with a -686 kernel |
| 01:45.26 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, you used module assistant for your older kernel? |
| 01:45.27 | kaplanfx | pipeline: so how come office doesn't work well with wine? |
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| 01:45.30 | pipeline | kaplanfx: The slightly more restrictive license made it impossible for Transgaming to keep on being pricks, so Transgaming forked the wine project. Since then, the transgaming tree has just gotten worse and worse. |
| 01:45.42 | dezent | chfn: okie.. do you think you will get that kind of speed increase that its worth all the trouble ? |
| 01:45.44 | pipeline | kaplanfx: The versions of office that work in Crossover will work fine in regular Wine. |
| 01:45.53 | kaplanfx | yeah cedega is pretty borked |
| 01:46.03 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex: not sure |
| 01:46.11 | kaplanfx | so all crossover adds is the proprietary control panel? |
| 01:46.24 | directhex | pipeline, but for what it does, cedega can do things wine can't. largely due to code they've had to license, such as anti-cheat & copy-protection code |
| 01:46.27 | dezent | chfn: i use debian on my webhosting-machines.. they get lots of hits.. and no need for recompiling yet |
| 01:46.31 | LeoNerd | And some of the proprietary CD copy prot. stuff |
| 01:46.45 | chfn | guerin but I want everything with maximum optimization.? |
| 01:47.02 | pipeline | directhex: Of course, the great catch is that none of that crap works on a regular basis. You still need a CD crack to play most games. |
| 01:47.06 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) nvidia-kernel-common && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 01:47.10 | jdhutchin1 | chfn, do you really think it makes that much of a difference? |
| 01:47.11 | Guerin | chfn: do you even know what that means? Have you benchmarked a plain woody box against an 'optimised' woody box? |
| 01:47.23 | chfn | guerin yes |
| 01:47.26 | pipeline | directhex: It's not as if their much heralded copy protection technology amounts to much -- they basically licensed the right to bypass it entirely. |
| 01:47.32 | Guerin | chfn: oh really? |
| 01:47.39 | chfn | guerin without debian |
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| 01:47.50 | Guerin | chfn: what part of 'woody box' was unclear? |
| 01:47.56 | pipeline | directhex: Furthermore, that's unrelated to the license. |
| 01:47.57 | directhex | pipeline, it's hit & miss. but i have a better success rate running games with cedega than winehq |
| 01:48.30 | pipeline | directhex: That's because Cedega has vastly better dX support. The dX code that Transgaming releases is licensed in a very "interesting" way that's incompatible with winehq's LGPL tree for many reasons. |
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| 01:48.47 | Guerin | chfn: anyway; do what you like - you've been told how to backport apt-build; now go and make world. I'd love to see some benchmark numbers, though. |
| 01:48.50 | pipeline | directhex: They played hanky panky with licenses for a loooong time before the WineHQ people got fed up and made a concerted effort to relicense. |
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| 01:49.18 | chfn | guerin I wont do apt-build world never. |
| 01:49.28 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex: can't find kernel headrs |
| 01:49.29 | chfn | maybe in my desktop |
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| 01:49.42 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, you're using kernel.org kernel source? |
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| 01:49.54 | ArCHoNKoG | nope |
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| 01:50.28 | directhex | pipeline, yeah, well the old wine fork'd code, and some of the old directx code, are under an extremely restrictive "open" license (AFPL). the newer stuff, mostly dx9 related, is completely closed |
| 01:50.30 | isotec{} | umm this may be a lil off top topic but how do i up a file via scp? im on winxp to a debian shell? |
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| 01:51.01 | Guerin | isotec{}: get a windows scp slient, like pscp |
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| 01:51.10 | chfn | guerin thanks man... |
| 01:51.17 | TCW | isotec{}, google; winscp / putty |
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| 01:51.30 | chfn | guerin for your pacience |
| 01:51.37 | nvz | isotec{}: google for putty, hit I'm feeling lucky |
| 01:51.49 | isotec{} | TCW, i just found that as u said it :) thanx ... im such an idiot |
| 01:51.50 | Guerin | chfn: hah. Enjoy breaking things :) |
| 01:52.43 | chfn | Guerin, lol, I will not do this. I'm thinking about use debian woody (kernel optimised) or freebsd and make world stuff |
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| 01:55.20 | npx | sup |
| 01:55.40 | infy`KoMa | someone can help me with this problem ? Kernel Panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on 2:00 |
| 01:55.50 | jdhutchin1 | do you have an initrd? |
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| 01:56.10 | infy`KoMa | ?? |
| 01:56.17 | Guerin | !norootfs |
| 01:56.17 | dpkg | Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader |
| 01:56.20 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, which kernel are you running? |
| 01:56.28 | nemozny | check fstab and filesystems in kernel |
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| 01:56.32 | debian | infy`KoMa: what is the root? |
| 01:56.34 | Guerin | infy`KoMa: why are you building your own kernel if you have no clue? |
| 01:56.39 | baronsamedi | has anybody had/resolved a problem with mice sporadically sending two clicks instead of one? |
| 01:56.58 | Kerr | baronsamedi: yup |
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| 01:57.10 | directhex | baronsamedi, yes. check your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 for a second configured mouse |
| 01:57.20 | directhex | baronsamedi, you want one mouse only. |
| 01:57.21 | nemozny | Guerin: to learn? |
| 01:57.22 | baronsamedi | directhex, ahh, thanks, I'll check that |
| 01:57.25 | Kerr | baronsamedi: that happened from when my mouse went for a swim in my coffee, to the day i threw it out and bought a new one. |
| 01:57.40 | Kerr | O.o |
| 01:57.53 | npx | hahah, reminds me of the time I panhandled to buy a mouse |
| 01:57.59 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex: 2.6.10 |
| 01:57.59 | Kerr | rofl |
| 01:58.07 | baronsamedi | directhex, bingo, two mice :) thakns |
| 01:58.12 | Kerr | npx: i was stuck using mousekeys for 20 days |
| 01:58.28 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, compiled yourself? |
| 01:58.30 | Kerr | npx: you did not want to meet me stuck on mousekeys. I was... edgy O.o |
| 01:58.34 | npx | Kerr, when in doubt, beg relentlessly |
| 01:58.37 | Kerr | lol |
| 01:58.43 | ArCHoNKoG | directhex: na stold it from ubuntu |
| 01:59.09 | Guerin | nemozny: what, trying and failing to build a functional kernel without trying to read any documentation or howtos, then going ??? in an irc room is the best way to learn. Yeah. |
| 01:59.30 | directhex | ArCHoNKoG, so get some kernel headers or something from ubuntu. if you had kernel headers in the right place then you'd m-a a-i nvidia, but buggered if i know |
| 01:59.30 | npx | Guerin, ??? |
| 01:59.34 | nemozny | Guerin: /me agree |
| 01:59.47 | Guerin | nemozny: /me sarcastic |
| 01:59.52 | npx | so I beat the shit out of my cousin earlier |
| 01:59.54 | npx | that was fun |
| 01:59.56 | Guerin | !tell npx about ep |
| 02:00.07 | npx | Guerin you started it! |
| 02:00.10 | npx | =P |
| 02:00.13 | nemozny | Guerin: /me understood :) |
| 02:00.14 | Guerin | npx: did not |
| 02:00.35 | Kerr | did too |
| 02:00.42 | Guerin | npx: if you really wanted points, you'd have told me about room |
| 02:01.00 | green_earz | ArCHoNKoG: are you install nvidia 3d driver ? |
| 02:01.24 | Guerin | fuckinghell, I keep getting electric shocks off shit |
| 02:01.29 | Guerin | well, not shit |
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| 02:01.30 | nemozny | do you any1 think that Ubuntu is worth trying? |
| 02:01.33 | Guerin | but chairs and things |
| 02:01.48 | directhex | nemozny, people here tend to tyhink debian is worth trying. |
| 02:01.52 | pmwilson | Guerin: thanks for the image. |
| 02:01.55 | Guerin | nemozny: /msg dpkg any1 |
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| 02:03.42 | pmwilson | is it better to set lilo's boot=/dev/hda and leave it at that, or install the mbr in /dev/hda and then set boot=/dev/hda1 ? |
| 02:03.49 | debian | nemozny: why not? even cordless bungee-jump worth trying |
| 02:04.07 | abrotman | pmwilson: i've always done /dev/hda |
| 02:04.09 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.09 | npx | pmwilson /dev/hda |
| 02:04.35 | npx | DirectX is "open" ? |
| 02:04.38 | npx | who knew... |
| 02:04.40 | debian | sorry paste by accident |
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| 02:06.29 | Guerin | oh, how very open it is |
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| 02:06.39 | pmwilson | abortman, npx: oh... it looks like you need to do that if you are trying to boot from a non-primary partition... you need the "Extended Master Boot Loader" in the MBR, and then whatever in the active partitions |
| 02:07.06 | Z | Who might I ask for help with an ISA NIC? |
| 02:07.19 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 02:07.20 | dpkg | it has been said that isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump |
| 02:07.35 | abrotman | Z: is it isapnp? |
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| 02:08.33 | MrP | Hello |
| 02:08.38 | pmwilson | hi |
| 02:08.40 | z36ra | howdy folks |
| 02:08.47 | pmwilson | hi |
| 02:08.47 | Z | I tried pnpdump and it returned that no boards are plugged in |
| 02:08.47 | MrP | What program(s) do you guys use to copy/backup DVD's? |
| 02:09.05 | pmwilson | MrP: superdvdbackupandcopydeluxe |
| 02:09.19 | toptnc | anyone have 2.6.10 with bootsplash patch from bootsplash.de working? |
| 02:09.47 | Guerin | pmwilson: www.fixyourspacebar.com |
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| 02:10.00 | z36ra | pmwilson: ive never heard of that one. |
| 02:10.00 | directhex | MrP, dvd::rip and avidemux, to AVI:XViD/AC3 |
| 02:10.00 | Z | i already tried using isapnptools with no luck. |
| 02:10.04 | toptnc | it doesn't work for me, vga=791 backs screen and i can't see nothing until X starts |
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| 02:10.35 | toptnc | vga=791 turn screen to black, and no one terminal works |
| 02:10.37 | Knorrie | hi |
| 02:10.46 | green_earz | MrP: dvdbackup |
| 02:10.47 | z36ra | anyone do any AVR stuff? |
| 02:10.49 | Knorrie | anyone knows if there's some issue with mysql on sarge |
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| 02:10.53 | mathieu_ | toptnc, since 2.6.9? |
| 02:10.54 | npx | aww shit |
| 02:10.56 | pmwilson | MrP: i used to use dvdbackup or something |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | Z: is it isapnp ? |
| 02:11.05 | npx | CPU Machine Check Exception: 00000000007 =/ |
| 02:11.06 | MrKeuner | hi, being happy with my "dpkg --get-selections" I would like to install the same selection on another machine which lacks internet connection. Can I just download those packages and burn them on a CD so that when I say dpkg --set-selections, apt-get installs from the CD that I burned? How can I do this? |
| 02:11.06 | toptnc | mathieu_: with 2.6.10 |
| 02:11.10 | npx | just got that while compiling X |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | Z: or is it jumpered? |
| 02:11.30 | toptnc | mathieu_: i have just compiled it. I come from 2.6.7 with bootsplash |
| 02:11.32 | TCW | MrKeuner, google for apt-offline |
| 02:11.38 | mathieu_ | topside, i've read somewhere that you need to compile it as a module now... haven't tested it yet |
| 02:11.41 | dondelelcaro | MrKeuner: you want generally to use apt-move and/or apt-zip to do that. |
| 02:11.50 | dondelelcaro | hrm... whole words moving around now... |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | Z: please don't /msg me |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | Z: are you running debian? |
| 02:12.43 | nvz | speaking of /msg, isnt there a mode I can set to disable external messages to me? |
| 02:12.45 | z36ra | abrotman: thats a valid question. all the newbies come to the best channel... hehe |
| 02:13.02 | Z | I just instealled woody |
| 02:13.18 | z36ra | they dont all know how to speel |
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| 02:13.21 | Guerin | nvz: +E will stop people who aren't identified from messaging you |
| 02:14.05 | nvz | Guerin: I thought I was +Ceiw before, but irssi is telling me its an unknown mode char. I must not have the syntax right "/mode +C nvz" |
| 02:14.07 | MrKeuner | is there a way to *just* download all the packages that are currently installed on my debian box? |
| 02:14.08 | z36ra | they dont all know how to speel<~~~~ a pun with a touch of irony |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | Z: is it a jumpered board or isapnp? |
| 02:14.27 | Guerin | nvz: /umode +CE should do it |
| 02:14.30 | mathieu_ | toptnc, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=279648 |
| 02:14.35 | Z | sorry about the message, i usually only come here after a few hours of searching forums. how can i tll the diffrence? |
| 02:14.37 | alindeman | nvz: /mode nvz +C |
| 02:14.38 | Guerin | what is +w? |
| 02:14.46 | nvz | ah, /umode was it |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | Z: do you know what a jumper is? |
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| 02:14.49 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: wallops |
| 02:14.50 | nvz | Guerin: wallops |
| 02:14.51 | Guerin | ah |
| 02:14.53 | Z | i dont |
| 02:14.56 | z36ra | So there are no AVR freaks in here? |
| 02:15.02 | nvz | Guerin: just lets you know ahead of time what shit is =P |
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| 02:15.14 | alindeman | Non-critical type messages |
| 02:15.20 | abrotman | Z: you have no idea? |
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| 02:15.28 | abrotman | Z: do you know what kind of NIC it is? |
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| 02:15.52 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:16.03 | Z | it was one that came from my friend about 3 years back. i remember it's ne2000 |
| 02:16.08 | mathieu_ | toptnc, compiling it vesafb as a module should fix it. it would be due to a debian patche |
| 02:16.12 | mathieu_ | -e |
| 02:16.17 | z36ra | anyone into robotics? |
| 02:16.18 | abrotman | Z: isapnp only works with isapnp boards |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | Z: can you take the board out? |
| 02:16.36 | nvz | cool, doesnt seem to stop me from talking to the bots |
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| 02:16.48 | Z | yeah, what information would you like from it? |
| 02:16.48 | Guerin | Z: the module for that should be called 'ne' |
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| 02:16.58 | z36ra | electronics? |
| 02:17.02 | Guerin | Z: you need a kernel with that in it, though. |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | Guerin: he's not even sure it works .. and it's been forever since i've done isapnp |
| 02:17.08 | Kerr | sidenet config setup has been eating cpu for a few minutes, to no obvious effect.. is this normal ? |
| 02:17.16 | abrotman | Z: uname -r on the box in question |
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| 02:17.59 | Z | i tried insmod ne io=0x with everything that was within a reasonable range, it says something like cannot locate board |
| 02:18.17 | toptnc | mathieu_: thanks a lot. I'll try it |
| 02:18.19 | Guerin | abrotman: isapnp is evil and I'd be well chuffied if I never had to fuck with it again. |
| 02:18.23 | abrotman | Z: man isapnp ? |
| 02:18.30 | esop | old isa ne boards need the io=0x320 irq=5 type statement to load proper |
| 02:18.38 | abrotman | !/etc/isapnp.conf |
| 02:18.39 | dpkg | well, /etc/isapnp.conf is 'pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf' |
| 02:18.42 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:18.48 | Gumby` | is there a way to set a direcrory so that any file written to it has specific owner:group? |
| 02:18.52 | TCW | Z, are you sure that this card is a pnp card? |
| 02:18.58 | Piru | z, some boards had a ms-dos config program and other's just jumpers on the board.. if there's a io or irq conflict the board probably isn't showing up |
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| 02:19.17 | Z | Alright, let me start the damned thing up again |
| 02:19.41 | Piru | z, personally I never lowered myself to pnp level.. bloody thing never worked anyway :) |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | Z: isapnp is a pretty bad way to use isa |
| 02:20.03 | mathieu_ | toptnc, an other way to fix it, is to replace vesafb.c by the one form kernel.org |
| 02:20.07 | TCW | Z, but on the other hand... there are real good network interface cards around for a few cents, so why do oyu humble around with an old ne2000 compatible card? |
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| 02:20.23 | abrotman | Z: does this machine have any PCI? |
| 02:20.26 | Z | Yup, i pdumped everythig into isapnp.conf then gave that conf file to isapnp but the thing is, it dosn't detect a board |
| 02:21.00 | TCW | Z, what machine is it? 386, 486, 586? |
| 02:21.08 | Z | it does, and that's my next option. it's a 166 |
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| 02:21.21 | abrotman | Z: the ISA board may be fully jumpered |
| 02:21.35 | Piru | luckily the 486 that used to have these isa cards is gone now :) |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | Z: it would have a pile of little plugs near something that say IRQ or some such nonesense |
| 02:21.43 | Z | If it's fully jumpered wehre might i find inforaiont on how to deal with that? |
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| 02:22.05 | abrotman | Z: you just pick an IRQ on the board .. usually 9 iirc .. and tell the bios it's reserved |
| 02:22.24 | TCW | Z, so it is a "fairly modern" computer ;) does the card show up during bootup (shortly after the bios check) in the devicelisting? |
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| 02:22.46 | findme | can i have 2 versions of libc in my deb box ? |
| 02:22.54 | Z | nothing says irq on the board ;9 |
| 02:23.20 | b0ef | I've applied the mm1 and the realtime-preempt patches to a vanilla linux-2.6.10, but I still can't find the menu option for reiser4. Anyone else see this? |
| 02:23.23 | abrotman | findme: i do |
| 02:23.42 | abrotman | findme: i have libc6 and libc6-686 |
| 02:23.52 | findme | abrotman, how any links ? I have 3.3.4 and the software that I am trying to install wants 2.9.5 |
| 02:24.04 | abrotman | findme: you mean gcc? |
| 02:24.13 | Guerin | abrotman: technically, they'r ethe same version |
| 02:24.17 | abrotman | Guerin: i know |
| 02:24.19 | findme | abrotman, let me get the exact error |
| 02:24.28 | abrotman | findme: libc is up to 2.3.2 i ghink |
| 02:24.45 | Piru | libc != gcc |
| 02:24.51 | abrotman | Piru: we know |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | except maybe Guerin |
| 02:25.06 | Z | tcw, actually it dosn't... wow. I just assumed it did because there are little blinking lights |
| 02:25.15 | abrotman | b0ef: reiser4 is not in vanilla sources |
| 02:25.21 | findme | abrotman, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scea_j2ee/files/ |
| 02:25.25 | findme | abrotman, sorry |
| 02:25.26 | Kerr | is there a way to open a screen on two different pc's at once? |
| 02:25.31 | findme | Checking for glibc version glibc-2.2.4-32 Failed <<<< |
| 02:25.33 | b0ef | abrotman: reiser4 is in the mm1 patch |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | findme: i don't have a login |
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| 02:25.42 | npx | I just got this error while compiling X, and now every app I try to start is crashing =/ the error is CPU 0: Machine Check Exception: 000000000007 |
| 02:25.43 | bddebian | Hey folks |
| 02:25.44 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:25.45 | dpkg | paste is probably Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
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| 02:25.53 | abrotman | npx: #gcc |
| 02:25.59 | npx | Anyone know what the deal is? I tried to google it but, like I said, everything I try to launch crashes |
| 02:26.00 | findme | abrotman, sorry didn't mean to paste that link. Checking for glibc version glibc-2.2.4-32 Failed <<<< |
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| 02:26.08 | bddebian | Has anyone used the Sarge netinst on an IBM Stinkpad R31? |
| 02:26.09 | abrotman | findme: what is checking? |
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| 02:26.18 | Kerr | is it jsut screen x |
| 02:26.18 | Kerr | ? |
| 02:26.19 | nemozny | b0ef: you have to check "use 8kb icanremeber instead of 4kb" :) |
| 02:26.19 | findme | abrotman, oracle runInstaller |
| 02:26.20 | abrotman | bddebian: i think i used it on my G40 .. why? |
| 02:26.26 | npx | abrotman, this is a kernel (or hardware) error, made evident by the high load GCC put on the cpu, not a GCC error |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | findme: oh .. on woody? |
| 02:26.30 | Kerr | screen -x ^ |
| 02:26.32 | npx | I'm assuming I've got bad RAM |
| 02:26.45 | findme | abrotman, debian testing |
| 02:26.46 | bddebian | abrotman: It keeps failing installing the base system and I have installed several machines with no problems previously |
| 02:26.52 | abrotman | findme: hmm .. i got oracle9 on woody |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | bddebian: is this a daily or RC2? |
| 02:27.17 | findme | abrotman, the Application server. I got the database working just fine. |
| 02:27.43 | bddebian | abrotman: RC2 |
| 02:27.48 | Z | oh well, thank you all for trying. i'll just rip a pci nic out from one of the other computers sitting around. |
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| 02:27.53 | abrotman | findme: join the club :) |
| 02:27.59 | abrotman | bddebian: try a daily? |
| 02:28.05 | bddebian | abrotman: Though the CD is a little chewed up so that could be a problem.. |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | bddebian: could be |
| 02:28.15 | b0ef | nemozny: hmm, where would that be?. I don't follow |
| 02:28.21 | Kerr | hm. is there a way to let root attatch a regualr user's screen ? |
| 02:28.40 | abrotman | findme: oracle is a beast .. i can show you some notes from oracle collab suite on woody |
| 02:28.47 | bddebian | Shit, off to go download a new ISO.. :-( Thanks abrotman |
| 02:28.56 | TCW | Z, it is looong ago, since I used a ISA card in a PCI-capable pc, but I *think* if the card is a real pnp card, it should show up in the device listing as "network controller" or such-like, telling you the irq... if it is not listed, chances are that it is not a pnp card and you can throw isapnp away, get/set the IRQ and stuff with jumpers on the card (did you ever ask google?) or with some software provided with the card... |
| 02:28.57 | abrotman | bddebian: wanna try a daily? |
| 02:29.05 | b0ef | Kerr: what screen would that be? |
| 02:29.12 | bddebian | abrotman: Sure, why not. :-) |
| 02:29.18 | findme | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 02:29.31 | b0ef | Kerr: you mean screen(1)? |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | !daily |
| 02:29.36 | abrotman | hmm |
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| 02:29.45 | joshk | is there something in shell that basically does fflush(stdout)? |
| 02:30.04 | Z | Yeah for a while. but there are no jumpers on the card. i am thinking of the right thing when you say jumpers right? little pins that i connect? |
| 02:30.20 | Z | i didn't think nic's had jumpers |
| 02:30.26 | abrotman | bddebian: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/ |
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| 02:30.31 | Lord-Cereburus | usualy jumpers referes to that yes |
| 02:30.34 | bddebian | abrotman: Thanks again |
| 02:30.39 | abrotman | Z: the old ones did |
| 02:30.42 | Kerr | b0ef: Ie, can i have root atttatch to this screen, the one with my irssi in it ? |
| 02:30.48 | TCW | Z, is a scanner in your range? ;) |
| 02:30.49 | npx | almost all old ISA cards had jumpers |
| 02:30.53 | Z | heh, i'm still fairly young ;0 |
| 02:31.01 | bddebian | jumpers kick ass.. :) |
| 02:31.04 | Z | You mean to scan the nic? |
| 02:31.06 | abrotman | i think i still have some cards with jumpers |
| 02:31.10 | TCW | Z, yes |
| 02:31.31 | b0ef | Kerr: are we talking about screen(1), then yes |
| 02:31.31 | bddebian | Better to be able to set my own config then rely on that "plug-and-pray" shit.. ;-) |
| 02:31.41 | pipeline | I have 8-bit ISA machines that didn't have jumpers. |
| 02:31.42 | TCW | abrotman, don't we all have such things left somewhere? But... who uses them anymore? ;) |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | bddebian: not that it always worked :) |
| 02:31.47 | pipeline | If you put the wrong card in the wrong slot, it just stopped working. |
| 02:31.59 | bddebian | abrotman: Well that is true. :-) |
| 02:31.59 | abrotman | TCW: i could .. it's my dialup router .. if i lost my broadband |
| 02:32.20 | TCW | abrotman, oh... an old isdn or modem card? |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | TCW: ISA modem .. 33.6 iirc .. though . i'd get a 56k from USR now |
| 02:32.39 | joshk | hm, never mind, i'll just use echo -e '\b\b' |
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| 02:32.55 | abrotman | TCW: though .. i think the sound is isapnp |
| 02:33.06 | TCW | abrotman, what card? |
| 02:33.13 | b0ef | Kerr: check out the multiuser options with man screen |
| 02:33.27 | abrotman | TCW: somewhat SB16 compat .. it's an old old Acer .. 486 |
| 02:33.50 | Z | Well here's the scanner, it's just that i cant find it's ac adapter for the life of me. So that's why i was confused when abrotman asked if it was a isapnp or jumpered because i never heard of a nic with jumpers before |
| 02:34.02 | TCW | abrotman, yep... that probably is a isapnp card... most of the "compatible" ones were. |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | Z: they do exist ! |
| 02:34.21 | abrotman | TCW: i do remember . .it would only work on a warm reboot from windows :) |
| 02:34.31 | bddebian | Oooh, how about some good ol' dipswitches?? :-) |
| 02:34.31 | Z | yup, i found one on google's images :) |
| 02:34.48 | npx | <3 modem dipswitches |
| 02:34.53 | abrotman | bddebian: got some :) |
| 02:35.09 | TCW | Z, the last ISA nic I used had jumpers... mactronix blafoo whatever 10mbit... |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | like ISA could handle 100Mb :) |
| 02:35.43 | abrotman | !start an old hardware war |
| 02:35.43 | dpkg | You kids have it EASY! When I was your age I had to write spread sheets on an Atari 400! |
| 02:36.09 | npx | welp |
| 02:36.12 | npx | this box is shot |
| 02:36.14 | npx | adios |
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| 02:36.24 | bddebian | abrotman: Hehe |
| 02:36.25 | LeoNerd | Hi all.. Hardware question... I've got a bluetooth keyboard connected using hidd and the hidp module, only it appears as a "boot-protocol" device, which I expect explains why the extra vendor-specific keys don't work. Any ideas on how I can prod it into working better? |
| 02:36.30 | TCW | abrotman, oh... there you say it... my really first linux experience these days ;) first init the card with a DOS tool and then use loadlin to bootup linux... *remembering the 'ol days* ;) |
| 02:36.33 | bddebian | VisiCalc?? ;-P |
| 02:36.43 | Z | Okay now i'm sure it's an isapnp card and not a jumpered one though. ;0 |
| 02:36.52 | Z | :) stupid loose shift key... |
| 02:37.03 | abrotman | TCW: not that it was good :) |
| 02:37.29 | TCW | abrotman, no... it was junk! But it played and I was young... ;) |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | TCW: yeah .. it was slink for me |
| 02:37.55 | abrotman | maybe potato |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | slink i think |
| 02:38.39 | TCW | Z, it *may be* that this card *is not* a pnp card, even if there are no jumpers at all... the (DOS)software does the trick then... |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | i'm so old .. i remember lemonade stand .. the original :) |
| 02:38.48 | bddebian | heh |
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| 02:39.05 | TCW | abrotman, for me it was *blush* SuSE :) |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | TCW: ewww .. 4.x ? |
| 02:40.14 | bddebian | Bah "640K, who would ever need more than 640K??" |
| 02:40.15 | TCW | abrotman, could be... the oldest version number I have in my mind is redhat 6.3 I had a year or so after my first linux install... |
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| 02:40.29 | abrotman | TCW: oh .. my first was .. RH5.2 i think |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | TCW: didn't work .. isntalled slink .. debian since .. |
| 02:41.04 | TCW | abrotman, here did not work anything at first :) |
| 02:41.07 | bddebian | WOW, that was a quick 116Mb |
| 02:41.47 | Z | TCW, if that's the case then i hope the drivers aren't hard to find becasuse i haven't a clue where the restore cd went after i gave the pc to my buddy. |
| 02:41.48 | TCW | Anyway... /me bed (the place where old guys like me should be at that time) |
| 02:41.50 | abrotman | TCW: heh .. |
| 02:41.55 | abrotman | TCW: enjoy |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | bddebian: did the daily work? |
| 02:42.11 | bddebian | Creating CD now |
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| 02:42.28 | TCW | Z, get the scanner working (or use google on your own!) and this case will be closed soon ;) |
| 02:42.35 | isotec{} | umm i typed ping www.mydomain.com ... and now is pinging consiniously wtf? |
| 02:42.42 | TCW | anyway... bye folks! |
| 02:42.53 | bddebian | isotec{}: ctrl-c |
| 02:42.58 | bddebian | Gnight TCW |
| 02:43.00 | TCW | isotec{}, *lol* thanks for the last quote ;) |
| 02:43.08 | Z | tCW, good night, thank you |
| 02:43.29 | isotec{} | bddebian, thanx |
| 02:43.46 | isotec{} | TCW, dont worry im sure i will provide you with tons of good ones :) |
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| 02:43.55 | bddebian | isotec{}: That is default behaviour in many *nix environments |
| 02:44.10 | gf69 | evening |
| 02:44.21 | bddebian | Hello gf69 |
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| 02:44.32 | isotec{} | bddebian, good to know ... fyi i have been using linux for about .. 30min now |
| 02:44.50 | bddebian | isotec{}: Well at least you have picked the right Distro.. ;-) |
| 02:45.07 | riot | Hi. Crowded it is here. Debian must have gotten very popular, eh? :D |
| 02:45.11 | bddebian | isotec{}: Well welcome aboard. I have been using it for a few years now and still don't know shit. :-) |
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| 02:45.36 | dondelelcaro | riot: this channel has been at this size for quite some time. |
| 02:45.37 | bddebian | riot: No Debian sucks, we just keep forgetting to change the name to #lindows.. ;-P |
| 02:45.42 | gf69 | i run a pvpgn game server on 1 nix box and my sites on another....how can i get the webserver box to read a db across the network on the gaming box for stats on my site? |
| 02:45.45 | Z | Isotec, that's not much better then me. i've been using it for 5 hours. all of which went to getting a nic to work. heh |
| 02:45.59 | bddebian | gf69: ODBC? ;-P |
| 02:46.01 | isotec{} | bddebian, lol, well my friend hooked me up with shell account at where he works ... so he gets probs for using this distro :) |
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| 02:46.45 | Lord-Cereburus | where does APT usualy install things? |
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| 02:47.09 | bddebian | Lord-Cereburus: Where they belong. ;-) |
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| 02:47.32 | Lord-Cereburus | hmm |
| 02:47.33 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Cereburus: that's a question that can't be answered. |
| 02:47.40 | directhex | Lord-Cereburus, dpkg -L packagename |
| 02:47.42 | Lord-Cereburus | different install locations |
| 02:47.45 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Cereburus: it's like asking where you stick groceries in your house. |
| 02:48.07 | directhex | to be fair, it normally installs things to /usr/share/doc/foopackage/ |
| 02:48.15 | directhex | it's the rest that's the question |
| 02:48.21 | gf69 | odbc? |
| 02:48.24 | Lord-Cereburus | thanks guys :) found it |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | !odbc |
| 02:48.27 | dpkg | methinks odbc is Open Data Base Connectivity |
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| 02:48.29 | Lord-Cereburus | btw, now that i'm here |
| 02:48.35 | Lord-Cereburus | where did i put my groceries? |
| 02:48.36 | abrotman | oh no |
| 02:48.39 | abrotman | you aasked one |
| 02:48.42 | abrotman | that's it .. come back tomorrow |
| 02:48.42 | Lord-Cereburus | :P |
| 02:48.54 | dondelelcaro | Lord-Cereburus: just leave them... in a few weeks or years, you'll be able to find them by the smell. |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | you can't hog #debian all for yourself |
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| 02:48.59 | bddebian | abrotman: OK, well it fails just trying to select the country.. :-( |
| 02:49.03 | doub | hi |
| 02:49.05 | Lord-Cereburus | hehe |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | bddebian: go tell #debian-boot they broke today's build :) |
| 02:49.32 | abrotman | bddebian: did you try both images? |
| 02:49.33 | bddebian | Bah.. :-) |
| 02:49.33 | chealer | !cdimage.d.o |
| 02:49.47 | abrotman | bddebian: is that a no? |
| 02:49.53 | bddebian | Fuck, waste of a perfectly good CD.. :-) |
| 02:49.54 | abrotman | bddebian: there really are two options for that |
| 02:50.07 | abrotman | well more than 2 |
| 02:50.11 | abrotman | bddebian: are you listening? |
| 02:50.19 | bddebian | Yup |
| 02:50.19 | abrotman | bddebian: did you try linux26? |
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| 02:50.38 | abrotman | ?? |
| 02:50.55 | bddebian | abrotman: Nope |
| 02:51.00 | abrotman | so try it! |
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| 02:51.24 | bddebian | abrotman: Well I skipped ahead anyway so Im going to see what happens. :-) |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | bddebian: you'll have no language .. no words!! |
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| 02:52.43 | bddebian | abrotman: OMG.. :-) |
| 02:52.48 | Vivaldi | i am desperate with setting iptables. i have a server in a lan, 192.168.1.2:8000. what i want is to redirect the packets from the gateway to that server. i think i have set the rules the wrong way. could you help? here's the config file http://www.pastebin.com/227461 |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | bddebian: ? |
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| 02:53.52 | bddebian | abrotman: OMG == Oh My God.. :-) |
| 02:54.28 | bddebian | Ack, trying to build Mozilla on GNU/Hurd is kicking my ass.. :'-( |
| 02:54.28 | abrotman | bddebian: does it work? |
| 02:54.34 | abrotman | Vivaldi: #iptables |
| 02:54.41 | bddebian | abrotman: So far so bueno |
| 02:54.44 | jdhutchin1 | bddebian, getting trampled by the HURD? |
| 02:54.58 | bddebian | jdhutchin1: Consistently.. :-) |
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| 02:55.12 | abrotman | bddebian: you're gonna owe me a beer! |
| 02:55.26 | Vivaldi | abrotman, they are sleeping |
| 02:55.32 | abrotman | Vivaldi: patience |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | bddebian: you from around philly maybe? |
| 02:55.58 | abrotman | Vivaldi: you read netfilter.org? |
| 02:56.02 | bddebian | abrotman: Ya man, why ya close? |
| 02:56.03 | gf69 | i did an apt-cache search for odbc but i am not sure which 1 to use |
| 02:56.09 | abrotman | bddebian: NW .. i work in KoP |
| 02:56.24 | bddebian | gf69: I dunno if I would use ODBC on *nix, I was somewhat joking |
| 02:56.26 | abrotman | bddebian: and that's a little weird :) |
| 02:56.38 | bddebian | abrotman: Sweet, I drive past ya everyday. |
| 02:56.45 | abrotman | bddebian: beer! |
| 02:56.55 | bddebian | abrotman: In that case, I CAN buy ya a beer! :-) |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | bddebian: i live up near pottstown |
| 02:57.10 | lanchow_ | the firefox plugin j2re1.4 doesn't exists anymore, what to use instead ? |
| 02:57.12 | gf69 | lol good thing u said something for i started researching the subject |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | nvz: ? |
| 02:57.42 | bddebian | abrotman: No shit?? I'm across the street pretty much. I'm techincally in Schwenksville but closer to Collegeville |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | bddebian: like .. near trappe? |
| 02:58.06 | bddebian | abrotman: You mean the Trappe Tavern? ;-) |
| 02:58.07 | abrotman | nvz: why is needafix +q ? |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | bddebian: of course :) |
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| 02:58.25 | abrotman | bddebian: maybe closer to the .. Ridge? |
| 02:58.36 | resiak | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.45 | resiak | Ahem. |
| 02:58.46 | bddebian | abrotman: Hmm, I pretty new to the area so that one doesn't ring a bell |
| 02:58.50 | resiak | Damn those spaces. |
| 02:59.04 | bddebian | heh |
| 02:59.05 | abrotman | bddebian: ah .. gotcha .. you're probably about 10 from me |
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| 02:59.08 | unoA | any TCPOptimises for Debian? |
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| 02:59.38 | abrotman | nvz: you there? |
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| 02:59.51 | redcliffe | hi - anyone know if there's a way to merge to existing partitions into an lvm without destroying data on the partitions? i've got two hard drives, one with /home and one with /, / has 40 gig free, but my /home is near full |
| 02:59.54 | redcliffe | i want to combine them |
| 03:00.04 | bddebian | gf69: There is supposedly ODBC for GNU/Linux but I have not tried it. Unfortunately I'm kind of a GNUbie so I can't help you much with remote database acces unless you are using Winblows boxen.. :-) |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | bddebian: you like it around here? |
| 03:01.03 | zarchne | redcliffe: is / an lvm volume already? |
| 03:01.06 | bddebian | abrotman: Ya man. Just moved from California, to Lansdale for about 3 months, then here. Sucks driving into Philly to work everyday though.. :-( |
| 03:01.08 | redcliffe | zarchne: no |
| 03:01.28 | gf69 | there linux binaries for it as per mysql site |
| 03:01.36 | abrotman | bddebian: i only drive 20 miles .. and it sucks .. but that's looking to change |
| 03:01.37 | zarchne | redcliffe: LVM works great, butyou have to do it ahead of time. |
| 03:02.02 | bddebian | abrotman: You don't take the 422 do you? |
| 03:02.02 | redcliffe | zarchne: ok thought that might be the case |
| 03:02.08 | gf69 | i must head off to bed...hafta work in the am |
| 03:02.11 | abrotman | bddebian: yeah .. it's the most direct |
| 03:02.18 | gf69 | have a good night |
| 03:02.24 | unoA | cya |
| 03:02.32 | bddebian | Good luck gf69, sorry I couldn't be more help.. |
| 03:02.45 | bddebian | abrotman: Yeah but the traffic sucks.. |
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| 03:02.59 | abrotman | bddebian: yeah .. but i'm looking for new employment .. so we'll see |
| 03:03.07 | redcliffe | zarchne: is there a good way to backup your system, like everything but /home and then reinstall it all? would cp -a do it properly? |
| 03:03.37 | bddebian | redcliffe: tar it |
| 03:03.53 | bddebian | abrotman: I think me too at this point.. :-) |
| 03:04.00 | abrotman | bddebian: but you just moved here |
| 03:04.08 | redcliffe | bddebian: so just tar up all of / except /home? |
| 03:04.15 | bddebian | abrotman: I know but my job is a PITA |
| 03:04.22 | abrotman | bddebian: they changed my job on me |
| 03:04.30 | abrotman | redcliffe: what you're suggesting is a bad idea |
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| 03:04.39 | abrotman | redcliffe: why would you want to? |
| 03:04.48 | bddebian | hde: ooohh prnetdb.c |
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| 03:04.55 | bddebian | Whoops, wrong channel, sorry |
| 03:05.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:05.05 | redcliffe | abrotman: well i've got everything set up nicely on my machine and i don't want to have to re set up everything again |
| 03:05.34 | abrotman | redcliffe: well .. you do what you want .. but it's a bad idea .. why are you reinstalling? |
| 03:05.55 | redcliffe | abrotman: so i can set up lvm on my root partition |
| 03:06.12 | abrotman | bddebian: do you like beer .. like different kinds? |
| 03:06.19 | abrotman | redcliffe: ok .. |
| 03:06.40 | redcliffe | abrotman: i want to lvm my root and home hard drives so it can all act as one drive - atm i have 60 gig free in / and 2 gig free in /home |
| 03:06.47 | bddebian | abrotman: But of course. Mainly browns, reds, ambers, ales and such. I can't get into the stouts too much. |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | redcliffe: i know what lvm is |
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| 03:06.57 | abrotman | bddebian: have you been to slyfox? |
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| 03:07.13 | redcliffe | so just trying to figure out the best way to do this |
| 03:07.16 | bddebian | abrotman: Shit, I have 3 kids, I'm lucky if I get to leave the house. ;-) |
| 03:07.23 | abrotman | bddebian: oh .. thatwill do it |
| 03:07.28 | abrotman | bddebian: you can take the wife |
| 03:07.29 | redcliffe | IIRC debian installer now can set up lvm can't it? |
| 03:07.35 | bddebian | redcliffe: Buy a nice RAID-5 controller. ;-P |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | bddebian: http://www.slyfoxbeer.com/index1.html |
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| 03:07.54 | redcliffe | bddebian: lol |
| 03:07.55 | abrotman | redcliffe: not sure .. never tried |
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| 03:08.10 | zarchne | redcliffe: how much data is in /home? |
| 03:08.17 | jbr | redcliffe: yes |
| 03:08.25 | bddebian | abrotman: BTW, the daily is working fine at this point.. |
| 03:08.32 | redcliffe | zarchne: about 50 gig |
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| 03:08.39 | redcliffe | jbr: cool |
| 03:08.40 | abrotman | bddebian: good |
| 03:08.47 | abrotman | bddebian: that place has great beer .. i mean . fantastic |
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| 03:09.23 | abrotman | bddebian: probably the best brewery i've been to around here .. or place that serves 'odd' beer .. though moodymonkey and drafting room have some good beers |
| 03:10.05 | chealer | what's happening with cdimage.d.o? Currently it's up but topic says no |
| 03:10.17 | abrotman | chealer: so the topic is wrong . it happens |
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| 03:10.41 | bddebian | abrotman: Cool, I'll check them out. Have you been to Iron Hill brewery yet? |
| 03:11.01 | abrotman | bddebian: a few times .. food is better than the beer |
| 03:11.05 | bddebian | Aye |
| 03:11.16 | abrotman | bddebian: at slyfox .. both are good .. very good |
| 03:11.29 | zarchne | redcliffe: so if you had / "lvm'd", home would fit on it (copied over with cp -a). Then you could make the second drive an LVM physical volume and extend the group on the first drive with it. |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | i haven't been the royersford building yet |
| 03:11.44 | bddebian | abrotman: What town is Slyfox in? |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | bddebian: there are two .. Phoenixville and Royersford |
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| 03:12.26 | bddebian | Ahh |
| 03:12.45 | abrotman | bddebian: the one in phoenixville is nice .. |
| 03:12.49 | abrotman | i like it anyways |
| 03:13.00 | bddebian | Where in Phoenixville? |
| 03:13.05 | riot | how do i configure my .fetchmailrc to use fetchmail-ssl instead of normal pop3? |
| 03:13.07 | redcliffe | zarchne: so basically you're suggesting i copy /home to the / partition, lvm the old /home drive, then move everything across to that then lvm the old / drive? |
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| 03:13.22 | zarchne | redcliffe: no |
| 03:13.28 | redcliffe | hmmm i think i might just back everything up and reinstall with lvm |
| 03:13.31 | redcliffe | zarchne: oh ok |
| 03:13.32 | bddebian | abrotman: The website isn't coming up in Mozilla?? |
| 03:13.47 | abrotman | bddebian: comes up in opera |
| 03:13.55 | bddebian | Hmm |
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| 03:14.05 | abrotman | bddebian: it's flash |
| 03:14.14 | zarchne | redcliffe: I would suggest you back up /etc and your package status list. |
| 03:14.24 | abrotman | though .. it doesn't come up in firefox either |
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| 03:14.48 | abrotman | bddebian: http://www.slyfoxbeer.com/beerlist.asp .. try htat |
| 03:15.03 | bddebian | ASP??? WTF?? ;-P |
| 03:15.07 | redcliffe | zarchne: ok, that's the part in /var/lib/dpkg |
| 03:15.10 | zarchne | redcliffe: then you can install with LVM on the first drive, then use the backup of /etc/ and the package list to get back as it was. |
| 03:15.14 | abrotman | bddebian: well .. they sell beer .. not IT |
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| 03:15.33 | bddebian | abrotman: I shouldn't say much, I write ASP pages on occasion.. :-( |
| 03:15.40 | redcliffe | zarchne: ah ok, so can you feed apt-get the package list? |
| 03:15.46 | zarchne | redcliffe: yeah... |
| 03:15.54 | redcliffe | cool |
| 03:15.57 | abrotman | bddebian: my first job was converting ASP to php |
| 03:16.02 | bddebian | abrotman: That comes up thanks |
| 03:16.16 | bddebian | abrotman: You lucky dog.. I live/breathe Winblows.. :'-( |
| 03:16.25 | abrotman | bddebian: it was .. fun :) |
| 03:16.33 | MacDaddy | If I have a running kernel image and a module for a wlan card, how do I move it to different kernel-image? Does it have to be the same Kernel number? |
| 03:16.42 | debian | bddebian: your breath bad! :) |
| 03:17.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:17.01 | redcliffe | zarchne: ok i'll do that, thanks |
| 03:17.07 | bddebian | debian: No shit. :-) |
| 03:17.10 | doub | abrotman: i heard there is an automatic converter program somewhere, asp2php iirc, to do that |
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| 03:17.24 | GlitchMaster | Hey, does anyone remember my horrible mouse issue? |
| 03:17.28 | abrotman | doub: didn't work .. not even close |
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| 03:17.38 | MacDaddy | ...so that I can have wlan AND the things i need to compile into a new kernel. |
| 03:18.10 | zarchne | redcliffe: I forget offheand exactly how, though... dselect-upgrade, maybe? |
| 03:18.19 | jbr | redcliffe: don't forget any bits and bobs in /usr/local, /var/spool/cron, /var/mail; but that's about it |
| 03:18.30 | GlitchMaster | Heya... I have horrible luck.. |
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| 03:18.34 | abrotman | bddebian: all done yet? |
| 03:18.40 | bddebian | abrotman: What do you do now if you don't mind me asking? |
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| 03:18.44 | zarchne | redcliffe: you need to find the docs for that. |
| 03:18.47 | zignig | GlitchMaster: you should change your nick then ;P |
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| 03:18.54 | bddebian | abrotman: Na, it's downloading all that Gnome shix.. :-) |
| 03:19.02 | GlitchMaster | When I started out with kernel 1.4.x I had PS/2 mouse problems. I got a USB mouse and set that up. Everything worked fine. |
| 03:19.03 | doub | abrotman: i was wondering, when i saw the thing. seemed far too magical |
| 03:19.09 | abrotman | bddebian: admin for a small company .. but they changed my job without consulting me |
| 03:19.09 | GlitchMaster | Then my audio stopped working. |
| 03:19.16 | MacDaddy | How does one upgrade to xfree 4.4 when Sid is at 4.3? |
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| 03:19.27 | abrotman | doub: it does work for simple stuff .. very well |
| 03:19.31 | GlitchMaster | Now I'm on 1.6.x, and the audio is back. Guess what. The mouse is fucked again. |
| 03:19.33 | abrotman | but complex stuff .. it implodes |
| 03:19.54 | zarchne | redcliffe: anyway, after you have the first drive with lvm, sounds like you have enough space to copy /home into it, then extend it with second drive. |
| 03:20.13 | bddebian | abrotman: *nix Admin? |
| 03:20.20 | GlitchMaster | Mouse symptoms: Horizontal scroll axis acts as scroll wheel, too. |
| 03:20.26 | abrotman | bddebian: mixed .. debian,rh,win |
| 03:20.28 | doub | abrotman: it's like systran or other natural language translators, so |
| 03:20.40 | GlitchMaster | Oddly enough, this time around clicking is more sensitive than normal, and the mouse scroll wheel works. |
| 03:20.55 | bddebian | abrotman: Well I'm all M$ baby.. And now Oracle which I fucking despise |
| 03:21.02 | GlitchMaster | Now, who will consult my problem? |
| 03:21.04 | abrotman | bddebian: i don't mind oracle oddly |
| 03:21.14 | debian | bddebian: Oracle is not bad |
| 03:21.18 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: you mseed something up |
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| 03:21.28 | akusarujin | is it possible to mv everything in one directory except for one specific directory that's in there, aka move /foo/bar/file /foo/bar/file2 /foo/file3 all to /foo/baz/ without getting the you can't move the same folder into itself error? |
| 03:21.39 | bddebian | Oracle SUCKS, they are M$ wannabe |
| 03:21.42 | debian | bddebian: guarantee your constant pay |
| 03:21.44 | GlitchMaster | Abrot, how descriptive, you dislexic asshole. |
| 03:21.48 | GlitchMaster | -.- |
| 03:21.50 | debian | bddebian: bs :) |
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| 03:22.06 | debian | bddebian: nothing in MS could compare to Oracle db |
| 03:22.11 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is my recommendaation |
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| 03:22.17 | big | i need help on http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/onimusha_3_a.txt if aneyone knose how 2 play it tall me pls? |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | and watch who you call asshole .. my box works .. yours doesn't |
| 03:22.32 | akusarujin | wtf? |
| 03:22.33 | akusarujin | lol.. |
| 03:22.37 | abrotman | big: you're soooo in the wrong place |
| 03:22.41 | GlitchMaster | Shh... if it hears you it might get jealous... >.> |
| 03:22.42 | toresbe | GlitchMaster: Furthermore, you misspelled "dyslexic". |
| 03:22.44 | bddebian | debian: Actually I like MSSQL since 7.0+ |
| 03:22.49 | GlitchMaster | Sorry, I just got annowed... |
| 03:22.53 | GlitchMaster | annoyed... |
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| 03:22.56 | GlitchMaster | Gack. |
| 03:23.02 | MacDaddy | Has anyone ever heard such an advanced question as mine? Is my Q not right or something? |
| 03:23.05 | bddebian | debian: Not as stable and locking problems but a shitload better toolset |
| 03:23.06 | debian | bddebian: well, you like it?....the horror... |
| 03:23.20 | GlitchMaster | Can I shove a metal rod through big's skull? PLEEAASE? |
| 03:23.26 | GlitchMaster | It's so tempting! |
| 03:23.27 | bddebian | MacDaddy: It can work but it can be a PITA if the versions do not match |
| 03:23.35 | spook__ | clear |
| 03:23.41 | spook__ | whoops ;) |
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| 03:24.05 | bytecolor | what's the utility to print a range of number to stdout? |
| 03:24.09 | MacDaddy | bddebian, Do you recommend going back to 4.2 xfree? How? |
| 03:24.10 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: i'd dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. and start from scratch |
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| 03:24.20 | jbr | bytecolor: seq |
| 03:24.35 | doub | MacDaddy: what's wrong with 4.3? |
| 03:24.35 | spook__ | ekg2 rulez... someone 's using polish jabber terminal communicator? ;) |
| 03:24.36 | bddebian | MacDaddy: Xfree?? I thought you were still talking about your kernel/wlan issue, sorry |
| 03:24.42 | bytecolor | yea, thanks jbr |
| 03:24.45 | Wyzard | MacDaddy: XFree86 changed its licensing and the new license is unacceptable, so Debian isn't using new XFree86 releases... once Sarge is released, we'll be switching over to X.org |
| 03:25.00 | GlitchMaster | Abrot... start from scratch?! |
| 03:25.01 | bddebian | If that ever happens.. ;-P |
| 03:25.01 | Wyzard | MacDaddy: That's why Debian doesn't have XFree86 4.4 |
| 03:25.13 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: up to you |
| 03:25.34 | MacDaddy | doub, No SiS DRI with 4.3. only 4.2 and 4.4 (questionable). |
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| 03:25.38 | GlitchMaster | You say that like reinstalling X would destroy all files or something. -.o |
| 03:25.46 | riot | HAH. Got that ssl to work!! hrhrr |
| 03:25.49 | riot | lot's o tries |
| 03:25.55 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: that's not what i told you to do |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: you're alive :) |
| 03:26.17 | doub | MacDaddy: there is an unofficial repository for sis drivers |
| 03:26.18 | GlitchMaster | Err? |
| 03:26.25 | debian | bddebian: think about it when you use MSSQL: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-270351.html?legacy=cnet |
| 03:26.31 | abrotman | ok .. maybe he's not |
| 03:26.33 | larrikin | riot: ssl ? with.. bitchx ? |
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| 03:26.41 | GlitchMaster | What exactly would pkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 do? o.O |
| 03:26.48 | riot | larrikin: no. Fetchmail and pop3s |
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| 03:26.54 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: it reconfigures X |
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| 03:26.59 | larrikin | riot: oh |
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| 03:27.06 | doub | MacDaddy: look at winischoffer.net |
| 03:27.13 | GlitchMaster | Which... only loses my X config... which is next to nothing. |
| 03:27.17 | MacDaddy | Oh yes, I'm all fo xorg but I howdo i do that with deb? |
| 03:27.25 | GlitchMaster | X takes about a minute to set up... |
| 03:27.26 | spook__ | msg dpkg geek |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: you could back it up if you're htat worried |
| 03:27.41 | MacDaddy | doub, that's how I got to this point (that site). |
| 03:27.46 | GlitchMaster | Abrot, I just mean that your wording is odd. |
| 03:28.01 | Guerin | MacDaddy: /msg dpkg get xorg |
| 03:28.02 | spook__ | dpkg: babe |
| 03:28.02 | dpkg | A hottie that wants you for your codeability and doesn't care when sarge is stable. |
| 03:28.08 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: english is my first language .. how about yours? |
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| 03:28.36 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: www.fixyourtabkey.com |
| 03:28.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:29.04 | Stravinsk | Hi, do i need to create initrd every time i compile a new kernel? |
| 03:29.08 | abrotman | no |
| 03:29.10 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 03:29.10 | dpkg | it has been said that initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 03:29.11 | Guerin | Stravinsk: man make-kpkg |
| 03:29.21 | abrotman | !tell Stravinsk about kp |
| 03:29.23 | isotec{} | only took 3 tries to get her after visiting #debia and #bebian :S .... anyway what do i do with .deb pakages? like how do i install them or what have you |
| 03:29.23 | GlitchMaster | Abrotman, I have only been on any form of Linux for five days. Don't expect me to know everything. :p |
| 03:29.24 | GlitchMaster | :P* |
| 03:29.31 | isotec{} | *here |
| 03:29.48 | Guerin | isotec{}: man dpkg; man apt-get, /msg dpkg fundamentals, /msg dpkg pkgmgmt |
| 03:29.56 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: english is good .. you don't have to know Linux .. but you have to be able to type coherent phrases |
| 03:29.58 | liten_ | somebody.. msn on debian ? " apt-get install ? " |
| 03:30.05 | abrotman | liten_: centericq |
| 03:30.08 | Guerin | liten_: gaim |
| 03:30.12 | nevyn | liten_: apt-get install gaim |
| 03:30.16 | liten_ | k |
| 03:30.19 | Guerin | !k |
| 03:30.19 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 03:30.21 | isotec{} | Guerin, thanx |
| 03:30.23 | abrotman | oh . he didn't say console :) |
| 03:30.26 | abrotman | oh well |
| 03:30.30 | doub | MacDaddy: you could downgrade to woody X, which is 4.2 iirc |
| 03:30.41 | doub | MacDaddy: but that will shure be a pita |
| 03:30.59 | nevyn | it's like C. |
| 03:31.12 | nevyn | it gets the job done. but it's hardly elegant |
| 03:31.18 | Guerin | nevyn: it can be |
| 03:31.43 | nevyn | Guerin: I hate writing though particularly starting to write. |
| 03:31.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:31.58 | MacDaddy | just my luck to get stuck with thw xorg change over. Now I suppose i have to read another "book" to find out if it has SiS DRI (3D). Does any one here know? |
| 03:32.17 | debian | nevyn: thank god nobody here speaks english :) |
| 03:32.25 | Guerin | MacDaddy: what card do you have? Is it really going to be worth bothering with dri? |
| 03:32.41 | Guerin | aren't all sis cards ancient except unichrome? |
| 03:33.00 | cafuego | !info xfree86 sid |
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| 03:33.08 | cafuego | unichrome is via |
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| 03:33.14 | nevyn | MacDaddy: I had dri working briefly on an SIS |
| 03:33.17 | Guerin | jbr: that is one of its meanings. |
| 03:33.22 | Guerin | cafuego: oh. |
| 03:33.34 | jbr | Guerin: amnother bizarre retrofit |
| 03:33.49 | Guerin | jbr: maybe, maybe not. If so it's a fairly old one. |
| 03:34.04 | cafuego | MacDaddy: What xorg changeover? |
| 03:34.06 | Guerin | jbr: and yes, I have had this argument several times already. |
| 03:34.38 | doub | nevyn: which model? |
| 03:34.40 | jbr | Guerin: just wondered. |
| 03:34.55 | MacDaddy | Guerin, Yes, It ran Elite Force. Besides the fact that I 'd like to compare it to/with winex(cedega) and QIII I'd also like to try teh 3D desktop stuff. |
| 03:35.05 | nevyn | doub: 616 or something. can't remember now. |
| 03:35.08 | nevyn | it was ages ago. |
| 03:35.20 | cafuego | MacDaddy: If that's what you want to do I suggest you get a real 3D card. |
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| 03:35.53 | MacDaddy | If it can do it (3D) in windows it darn sure can do it in Debian. |
| 03:36.04 | voltagex | ok, this vga mode looks bad. I used to be able to use 792 with woody and 2.6.8 but now I can't. I chose a from the list it gave me but this looks all squashed |
| 03:36.23 | Guerin | MacDaddy: ok, fair enough. I seem to know nothing about modern video cards anyhow. |
| 03:36.42 | MacDaddy | ...and it's supposed to work so I've been told. (Not all sis 3D cards have suport at all) |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | MacDaddy: not really true |
| 03:36.56 | abrotman | but .. whatever |
| 03:37.07 | cafuego | MacDaddy: That depends on whether it does DirectX or OpenGL. |
| 03:37.10 | zamson | i want to share my internet connection with other computers on the network..where do i configure this? |
| 03:37.14 | voltagex | is there any way I can get a better resolution in the console? 792 was like 1024x768 resolution |
| 03:37.22 | Guerin | zamson: apt-get install ipmasq |
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| 03:38.19 | MacDaddy | BTW This SiS 630/730 card is passable for light 3D. Like I said, it ran the heck out of Elite Force (on 98 unstabler). |
| 03:38.32 | bddebian | zamson: Run down to Best Buy/Circuit City/CompUSA, etc and buy yourself a Linksys. :-) |
| 03:39.04 | voltagex | I *need* a better console resolution/font |
| 03:39.10 | voltagex | how can I change it |
| 03:39.13 | voltagex | ? |
| 03:39.14 | nevyn | zamson: unless you actually want to learn networking just go buy a router. |
| 03:39.31 | nevyn | voltagex: there are a couple of methods. |
| 03:39.46 | voltagex | nevyn: such as? |
| 03:39.52 | nevyn | voltagex: you can change the vga mode to one of 50 line ones. |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | bddebian: done yet? |
| 03:40.01 | nevyn | if you want more text on the screen |
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| 03:40.22 | voltagex | nevyn: this is 132x60 in the grub list |
| 03:40.25 | bddebian | abrotman: Nope.. :-( |
| 03:40.36 | abrotman | bddebian: tell at your ISP |
| 03:40.37 | MacDaddy | It worked playably. NOT at any high settings..to be clear. |
| 03:40.37 | Kerr | What command would i use to change what user owns a file ? |
| 03:40.39 | nevyn | voltagex: or you can use fbconsole at say 1024x768 and render text on that. |
| 03:40.52 | bddebian | abrotman: Heh |
| 03:41.07 | bddebian | Kerr: chown IIRC |
| 03:41.11 | teeks | what do I need to install to view chinese characters in a webpage? |
| 03:41.21 | voltagex | nevyn: just apt-get fbconsole? |
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| 03:41.34 | nevyn | voltagex: no |
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| 03:41.56 | nevyn | voltagex: there's quite a bit more to it than that. google for framebuffer setup |
| 03:42.21 | teeks | all I am getting is tiny squares |
| 03:42.39 | Guerin | teeks: apt-cache search fonts chinese |
| 03:43.02 | Kerr | bddebian: thanks |
| 03:43.12 | GlitchMaster | One question, if I reconfigure X via "pkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", will GNOME still start with X immediately?! |
| 03:43.28 | MacDaddy | cafuego, Yeah yeah I know. Send me some money. It's not the money really. It's the princple, the challange. Fueled recently by that darn shofawhooser site. According to it. The dard chip is Linux 3D (DRI) capable. |
| 03:43.32 | GlitchMaster | (to be blunt) |
| 03:43.39 | teeks | Guerin: there are a few packages |
| 03:43.42 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: try |
| 03:43.46 | voltagex | nevyn: I don't have X at the moment, is it just the console framebuffer option in the kernel? |
| 03:43.52 | Guerin | teeks: yes, there are. |
| 03:43.56 | GlitchMaster | Guerin, and if it doesn't? |
| 03:44.09 | nevyn | voltagex: yep that's what I'm talking about. |
| 03:44.11 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: then you fucked something up |
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| 03:44.27 | nevyn | voltagex: but don't build a kernel just to get fb. just load the appropriate module |
| 03:44.29 | GlitchMaster | So it SHOULD do so, Guerin? |
| 03:44.31 | voltagex | nevyn: it is a module at the moment. |
| 03:44.38 | voltagex | nevyn: how? |
| 03:44.41 | nevyn | install fbset first |
| 03:44.46 | isotec{} | is ther a easy to use bt client that i can use? (other than the dep one) |
| 03:44.51 | nevyn | voltagex: what sort of videocard is it? |
| 03:44.59 | nevyn | voltagex: are you planning on having X at some point? |
| 03:45.19 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: it all depends on what you do. Since I can't predict whether you're going to change nothing, or whether you're going to just mash keys randomly, I can't predict whether it will work. |
| 03:45.29 | isotec{} | oh and that is not gui based |
| 03:45.40 | Guerin | isotec{}: bittornado - btlaunchmanycurses |
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| 03:45.47 | voltagex | nevyn: I'll have X when I can be bothered to set it up, NVIDIA GeForce FX5200 |
| 03:45.48 | MacDaddy | nevyn, So how was your old 6xx (630/730?) is DRI? |
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| 03:46.08 | nevyn | voltagex: umm getting X going shouldn't be too hard. |
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| 03:46.13 | nevyn | voltagex: getting 3d and stuff. |
| 03:46.15 | GlitchMaster | Guerin... what I meant was, if X reconfigures, won't the configuration that starts GNOME be lost? |
| 03:46.20 | teeks | Guerin: do you know which one would provide chinese characters for a browser? does True Type for printing mean printing on the screen? |
| 03:46.31 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: not necessarily. |
| 03:46.34 | nevyn | MacDaddy: now I think about it some more I think the DRI module didn't compile in the version of the kernel I was using |
| 03:46.39 | isotec{} | thanx |
| 03:46.43 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: just do it, ffs. If in doubt, back up your config file |
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| 03:46.59 | GlitchMaster | Gueren: Alright... good idea... >.> |
| 03:47.00 | voltagex | nevyn: ah, X is installed but I don't have a browser for it... fbset is installed now but can't open /dev/fb0 |
| 03:47.04 | GlitchMaster | Wish me luck. |
| 03:47.11 | nevyn | voltagex: don't have a browser? |
| 03:47.26 | doub | voltagex: you have to load a framebuffer module first |
| 03:47.39 | voltagex | nevyn: I am working on getting the console the way I like it then I'll fix X up with KDE and stuff |
| 03:47.42 | nevyn | voltagex: X and fbcon can sometimes not get along so beware. |
| 03:47.43 | Guerin | teeks: xfonts-intl-asian |
| 03:47.46 | kensai | finally kernel 2.6.10 in SID this is proven to be the best 2.6 kernel ever |
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| 03:48.01 | nevyn | voltagex: if you're planning on living in X just forget the fbcon stuff. |
| 03:48.10 | voltagex | doub: what do I type to load the framebuffer module? |
| 03:48.12 | Guerin | GlitchMaster: this is not superstition. |
| 03:48.14 | voltagex | nevyn: I live in both |
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| 03:48.35 | tdfc | aren't there security updates for unstable ? |
| 03:48.36 | Guerin | kensai: proven, huh. |
| 03:48.43 | Guerin | tdfc: no |
| 03:48.46 | MacDaddy | I've recompiled and recompiled some more. Being taht going back (4.2) is a "PITA", then do you recomend moving to xorg? How far along is xorg comparable to xfree 4.4? |
| 03:48.54 | doub | voltagex: you can try "modprobe vesafb", it'll work on most hardware, but it win't be the fastest |
| 03:48.57 | Guerin | tdfc: there's no point; unstable gets updated daily anyhow |
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| 03:49.05 | doub | voltagex: for the one that fits your card, if any, RTFM |
| 03:49.07 | tdfc | ok |
| 03:49.09 | voltagex | doub: ok will do |
| 03:49.10 | kensai | Guerin, even the gentoo developers were saying it, everyone is happy with this release so far |
| 03:49.13 | Guerin | MacDaddy: #xorg |
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| 03:49.22 | Guerin | kensai: haha |
| 03:49.26 | voltagex | doub: RTFM where? man what |
| 03:49.56 | doub | voltagex: look in the Documentation directory of the kernel sources, or google for it |
| 03:50.19 | kensai | Is Ian Murdock still the head developer of Debian or is there any other head developer now? |
| 03:50.25 | xerophyte | how good grsecurity ..just wondering is it workth to patch the kernel with it ? |
| 03:50.50 | FieldySnuts | i use it, haven't had problems. i'm no kernel developer so I can't tell you if it's worth a damn, haven't heard anything bad. |
| 03:50.50 | voltagex | ok |
| 03:50.55 | voltagex | bbl |
| 03:51.03 | dondelelcaro | kensai: there's a project leader, Martin Mitchlmayer, but there isn't a "head developer" |
| 03:51.14 | MacDaddy | Guerin, OK, OK it is a setup problem. Setting up the darn 3D to work as it should. I'll go over to xorg and poke around. Thank you all. |
| 03:51.19 | FieldySnuts | I *may* have had serious problems with 2.6.10-grsec-20050107, but i'm just getting around to testing that fact, don't think it's got probs till i say so |
| 03:51.20 | dondelelcaro | rrr... Michlmayr |
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| 03:51.33 | kensai | dondelelcaro, so Ian Murdock is just the creator of debian and nothing more by now? |
| 03:52.08 | doub | kensai: he's the boss at Progeny, AFAIK |
| 03:52.10 | dondelelcaro | kensai: he's the founder, yes... but he works primarily with progeny now. |
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| 03:52.29 | Danar | can someone help me fix my display? |
| 03:52.32 | hoarycripple | and who was deb? |
| 03:52.34 | Danar | my display is corrupt |
| 03:52.46 | SlimeyPete | in what way, danar? |
| 03:52.49 | Guerin | hoarycripple: debra murdock |
| 03:52.53 | Danar | everything is tinted yellowish, and looks "scratchy" |
| 03:53.06 | Danar | and gets worse where i move my mouse |
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| 03:53.09 | FieldySnuts | crc? sounds like you lost one of the elctron guns |
| 03:53.11 | FieldySnuts | electron |
| 03:53.18 | hoarycripple | Guerin, ah ha. thanks |
| 03:53.20 | FieldySnuts | wtf, i can't type |
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| 03:53.23 | FieldySnuts | s/crc/crt/ |
| 03:53.24 | SlimeyPete | Danar: sounds like a hardware issue |
| 03:53.40 | SlimeyPete | wiggle yer VGA cable, try another graphics card and monitor, etc.... |
| 03:53.54 | SlimeyPete | FieldySnuts is probably right |
| 03:53.58 | Danar | wiggling the cable does nothing... |
| 03:54.15 | Danar | don't have and can't afford another vid card |
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| 03:54.34 | Danar | it's less than a year old though |
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| 03:54.59 | Danar | actually it has to be software, because if i boot from a livecd it doesn't do this |
| 03:55.01 | pipeline | heh, if wiggling the cable makes no difference, looks like the video card is the least expensive of your problems |
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| 03:55.35 | SlimeyPete | Danar: sounds like you have a Freakish Problem(tm) |
| 03:55.39 | pipeline | kensai: Murdock was never very involved with Debian. Perens was, but Perens also left to work at Progeny. |
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| 03:55.41 | Danar | heh |
| 03:55.41 | GlitchMaster | Erk. |
| 03:55.45 | SlimeyPete | try a different resolution? |
| 03:55.57 | GlitchMaster | "pkg-reconfigure" isn't a command... |
| 03:55.58 | GlitchMaster | Wait.. |
| 03:56.02 | GlitchMaster | Was it "dpkg"? |
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| 03:56.30 | SlimeyPete | dpkg, yes |
| 03:56.31 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 03:56.38 | SlimeyPete | dpkg: you know it, baby |
| 03:56.39 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, SlimeyPete |
| 03:56.45 | GlitchMaster | dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 03:57.26 | GlitchMaster | Err.. |
| 03:57.30 | GlitchMaster | Name confusion. :P |
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| 03:58.22 | voltagex | the fbcon module doesn't exist |
| 03:58.25 | loke | !beer everybody |
| 03:58.37 | bddebian | w00t, thanks loke |
| 03:58.45 | loke | bddebian np |
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| 04:00.36 | GlitchMaster | Was the command I wanted to use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
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| 04:00.42 | GlitchMaster | "?* |
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| 04:01.34 | Neerlan_Amorim | hello for all |
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| 04:02.19 | voltagex | I can't get the framebuffer working |
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| 04:03.03 | Danar | ok, i tried changing resolutions (ctrl-alt-+) and it froze my comp |
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| 04:03.29 | Danar | also, when i boot up sometimes now, no video gets sent to the monitor :/ |
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| 04:03.49 | Danar | the power light blinks. nothing seems to affect it, i just have to keep rebooting until it works |
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| 04:04.20 | bddebian | abrotman: OK, it's done. Happy now? :-) |
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| 04:04.34 | Danar | what can i do? |
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| 04:05.29 | bddebian | Danar: Jump to a virtual terminal if you can and change your run level or rename your XF86Config-4 |
| 04:05.34 | loke | what channel is defcon? |
| 04:05.58 | dondelelcaro | loke: they're not on this network, AFAIK. |
| 04:06.08 | Danar | virtual terminal? like CTRL-ALT-F1? |
| 04:06.10 | loke | dondelelcaro efnet? |
| 04:06.30 | bddebian | Danar: Aye |
| 04:06.30 | abrotman | bddebian: finally! |
| 04:06.32 | Danar | i have trouble getting back from that... |
| 04:06.48 | bddebian | Danar: I know, make your change and reboot |
| 04:06.57 | Neerlan_Amorim | alguem do brasil? |
| 04:07.22 | Danar | how do i change the runlevel, and what do i change it to, and why? |
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| 04:07.44 | Pol_D | Hi |
| 04:07.51 | bddebian | Make it easier on yourself, modify XF86Config-4 manually. :-) |
| 04:08.02 | Pol_D | why are there 15 Debian testing ISO's ? which ones do I need? |
| 04:08.10 | debian | Danar: init |
| 04:08.12 | bddebian | or do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:08.17 | Pol_D | http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/torrents/i386/ |
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| 04:08.31 | Poprocks | hello |
| 04:08.32 | bddebian | Pol_D: Just get a netinst CD, you only need 1 |
| 04:08.37 | bddebian | Hello Poprocks |
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| 04:08.43 | Danar | ok |
| 04:08.47 | cirdan | hey all |
| 04:08.54 | abrotman | bddebian: i think comcast(my isp) should host a damn mirror |
| 04:08.55 | Poprocks | can someone here do me a huge favour -- try to visit http://www.bell.ca and see if you can connect to it? |
| 04:09.06 | bddebian | abrotman: Amen brudda.. :-) |
| 04:09.07 | riot | n8 |
| 04:09.13 | Danar | what am i supposed to change? just look for anything that's not right? |
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| 04:09.24 | Pol_D | bddebian, I've only seen woody netinst CDs and I'm having trouble with woody... can you direct me to a sarge netinst CD? |
| 04:09.37 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 04:09.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 04:09.39 | bddebian | Poprocks: Works for me with Mozilla |
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| 04:09.49 | GlitchMaster | GYAHAHAHA! |
| 04:09.54 | Poprocks | bddebian, hm, ok, I'll restart my router and see if it works then |
| 04:10.07 | FieldySnuts | @irritate GlitchMaster |
| 04:10.08 | Pol_D | thanks |
| 04:10.16 | GlitchMaster | I went into the X reconfig, and messed around, decided NOT to write, and now the mouse works for no apparent reason. |
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| 04:11.05 | Danar | bddebian: any reason i should do it from a virtual terminal? |
| 04:12.02 | GlitchMaster | Well... |
| 04:12.04 | GlitchMaster | This is bad... |
| 04:12.39 | bddebian | Danar: I thought you couldn't see your X screen? |
| 04:12.57 | Danar | bddebian: uh, i'm using it. it's just a little messed |
| 04:12.57 | cirdan | hey...i just did a dist upgrade on unstable, and my blootbot won't start anymore, just cycles through the server list. any ideas? |
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| 04:13.14 | bddebian | Danar: Ooohh, sorry my mistake |
| 04:13.21 | Danar | everything keeps tinting yellowish, and goes 'scratchy' where i move the mouse |
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| 04:13.33 | Danar | though sometimes moving the mouse fixes the area it passes over |
| 04:13.40 | bddebian | Danar: Color depth too high? |
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| 04:13.59 | Danar | i don't think so... i have a good monitor |
| 04:13.59 | Avantopia_ | If I want to recurse a dir tree and encode all files that I find that are '.wav' format, how can I do this best? |
| 04:14.07 | bddebian | Danar: Have you looked at /var/log/XFree86.0.log? |
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| 04:14.26 | GlitchMaster | That's it. I'm buying a sound card. >.< |
| 04:14.34 | GlitchMaster | All options fail. |
| 04:14.46 | GlitchMaster | ASUS crapness destroying the potential musics! |
| 04:15.00 | Pol_D | bddebian, I'm getting the sarge netinst CD now but I still don't understand why there are 15 "regular" discs? Is this all the free software in existance or what? |
| 04:15.15 | GlitchMaster | Feel free to inquire. |
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| 04:15.58 | Danar | bddebian: there's this message in there: (WW) VESA(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xe8000000,0x8000000) |
| 04:16.30 | bddebian | Pol_D: Last I knew there were only 7 CD's but who knows.. Yes they include just about everything. YOu only "need" CD 1 though, you can apt-get the rest |
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| 04:16.38 | Danar | and some font errors |
| 04:16.40 | bddebian | Danar: That one's over my head, sorry |
| 04:16.50 | GlitchMaster | Hmm... |
| 04:16.50 | Faithful | what's the way to go with regards QoS? |
| 04:16.57 | GlitchMaster | Now it thinks it's playing sound, but it isn't. :P |
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| 04:17.22 | GlitchMaster | Joy. |
| 04:17.29 | GlitchMaster | I'm getting a Soundblaster. That's it. |
| 04:17.49 | chealer | GlitchMaster: how do you "decide NOT to write" your x config? |
| 04:17.51 | Stravinsk | can any1 send me a .config file for kernel 2.6 that doesnt need to use initrd? i'm getting an error VFS: cannot open root device..... :-\ |
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| 04:18.22 | GlitchMaster | Yes, and the mouse stopped being retarded anyway. :P |
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| 04:18.42 | GlitchMaster | Reconfig, not config. |
| 04:18.50 | dondelelcaro | Stravinsk: my config won't do you any good. Your config has to be appropriate for your machine, not mine. |
| 04:18.54 | larrikin | I have an original-ish Soundblaster 1.5 ..interested ? |
| 04:18.57 | GlitchMaster | I was redoing the X config because the mouse was fucked. |
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| 04:19.02 | GlitchMaster | Ooh! |
| 04:19.09 | GlitchMaster | How much do you want for it, Iarrikin? |
| 04:19.13 | Stravinsk | dondelelcaro: i just need to see some parts of it |
| 04:19.16 | dondelelcaro | Stravinsk: this is why sticking with the Debian kernels until you're ready to build your own is generally a good idea. |
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| 04:19.24 | larrikin | umm. the postage might be a killer |
| 04:19.29 | GlitchMaster | What state? |
| 04:19.35 | dondelelcaro | Stravinsk: there's nothing magical about it at all. It's a .config, with stuff specific to my machine. |
| 04:19.40 | GlitchMaster | Or country? |
| 04:19.41 | Danar | ok, i'm trying to configure xserver-xfree86, but i need the video card's bus identifier. the help says to use lspci to find it, but this is the output: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) |
| 04:19.41 | Danar | 0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (Secondary) (rev01) |
| 04:19.42 | walnuck | anyone use helix player? |
| 04:19.44 | GlitchMaster | Or DIMENSION?! |
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| 04:19.53 | GlitchMaster | Eh... I'll look on ebay. :P |
| 04:19.55 | larrikin | GlitchMaster: country yes.. |
| 04:20.09 | Danar | nothing looks like the examples. i dunno what to pit |
| 04:20.10 | Stravinsk | dondelelcaro: i have this thing working but only with initrd |
| 04:20.11 | Danar | *put |
| 04:20.11 | dondelelcaro | Stravinsk: the only thing that may approach magic is the fact that I'm using make-kpkg without the --initrd, and I'm compiling all the modules that my machine needs to boot and mount / into the kernel. |
| 04:20.13 | larrikin | GlitchMaster: I come from a land downunder.. |
| 04:20.21 | GlitchMaster | AUSSIE! |
| 04:20.23 | GlitchMaster | ^_^ |
| 04:20.32 | GlitchMaster | Australia is nifty. |
| 04:20.33 | dondelelcaro | Stravinsk: then that means that you haven't built everything that you need to boot your machine and mount / into the kernel. |
| 04:20.41 | dondelelcaro | Stravinsk: looking at my config isn't going to help you with that. |
| 04:20.50 | Narg | So, I got my usb flash drive mounted and stuff, but I cant umount it. It always says its busy. Any suggestions? |
| 04:20.59 | bbrazil | Narg: lsof |
| 04:21.02 | larrikin | GlitchMaster: still in original box + manuals etc :) |
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| 04:21.05 | Narg | lsof? |
| 04:21.13 | bbrazil | list open files |
| 04:21.16 | Danar | bddebian: do you know what to put? |
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| 04:21.42 | Danar | Narg: try "lsof | grep -i <insert drive here> |
| 04:21.52 | Stravinsk | dondelelcaro: send it anyway please will promess that i will not sue you :-) |
| 04:22.17 | bddebian | Danar: Well it should be whatever lspci reports but I have seen that not work so I dunno unfortunately.. :-( |
| 04:22.19 | dondelelcaro | Stravinsk: it won't do you any good. You've already got a perfectly good example config in the default kernel. |
| 04:22.33 | dondelelcaro | Stravinsk: especially as my config isn't even for your architecture. |
| 04:22.45 | kingsley_ | Narg: lsof shows who's accessing a device. Try "man lsof". |
| 04:22.50 | Danar | well, i pasted the output of lspci, and i have no clue what to put because it's nothing like the examples |
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| 04:23.12 | Stravinsk | argh :-( |
| 04:23.33 | Narg | bbrazil: lsof | grep /mnt/flash (flash drive loc] gives: famd 3129 narg 110r DIR 8,1 16384 1 /mnt/flash |
| 04:23.56 | sean_micken | i've got a source package (just a tar.gz) and i would like to build a .deb package out of it -- would someone point me to a good howto? (im using testing) |
| 04:24.06 | Danar | Narg: the file alteration monitor is using it. kill it and you can umount it |
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| 04:24.17 | Narg | Whats a file alt moniter? |
| 04:24.18 | GlitchMaster | Crapfuck. Thunderbird won't start! |
| 04:24.19 | bddebian | Danar: Well in the case of your output it should be 01 but I highly doubt that that is correct |
| 04:24.30 | Narg | I like to know what Im killing before I kill it :p |
| 04:24.32 | Danar | Narg: monitors file aterations? :p |
| 04:24.33 | GlitchMaster | Nor will firefox. |
| 04:24.43 | Xenguy | sean_micken: check out an app called 'checkinstall' |
| 04:24.50 | Danar | Narg: well, i know i had the same problem with it lots of times, so i uninstalled it |
| 04:24.50 | Narg | har har danar :p |
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| 04:24.58 | Narg | hrm... |
| 04:24.59 | Narg | ok |
| 04:25.04 | Xenguy | sean_micken: it 'cheats', but it works ;-) |
| 04:25.06 | Narg | so it doesnt really do much? |
| 04:25.13 | sean_micken | Xenguy, ah.. yes, i have used that on slackware. |
| 04:25.19 | GlitchMaster | "Cannot find Mozilla runtime directory" |
| 04:25.21 | GlitchMaster | D'oh! |
| 04:25.26 | sean_micken | Xenguy, there is a way to do it with just the tools debian gives me, right? |
| 04:25.28 | Danar | not as far as i can tell. look it up if you like, but i didn't have a problem removing it |
| 04:25.43 | Narg | nods. Also, how do you make it so non-root users can mount it? |
| 04:25.50 | Xenguy | sean_micken: definitely |
| 04:25.53 | Danar | either way, shouldn't be any problem just killing it |
| 04:25.53 | Narg | add a fstab entry? |
| 04:26.08 | Xenguy | sean_micken: don't know anything about the 'official' way to make a deb tho |
| 04:26.20 | sean_micken | Xenguy, k |
| 04:26.37 | chealer | that's it. first firefox crash |
| 04:26.42 | Danar | Narg: erm, you could change the ownership... :p |
| 04:26.43 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 04:27.12 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: you'll need for starters, build-essential, fakeroot, and probably dh-make |
| 04:27.26 | sean_micken | dondelelcaro, why fakeroot? |
| 04:27.31 | Narg | err... of a vfat formatted drive? :p |
| 04:27.39 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: because you shouldn't ever compile anything as root. |
| 04:27.42 | Narg | Last time I checked, vfat didnt HAVE ownership |
| 04:27.54 | sean_micken | dondelelcaro, why is it bad to? |
| 04:28.02 | Danar | yeh, but you mounted it, and you can own the mount point |
| 04:28.14 | Narg | so chown narg? |
| 04:28.18 | Danar | which essentially gives you access |
| 04:28.22 | Danar | yeh |
| 04:28.30 | dondelelcaro | !tell Narg about vfatrw |
| 04:28.33 | larrikin | root$ gcc exploit_rootkit_masqerading_as_something_harmless.cpp |
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| 04:28.36 | voltagex | xmame isn't in the debian tree by the looks of it... |
| 04:28.48 | Danar | voltagex: xmess |
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| 04:29.05 | dondelelcaro | sean_micken: because it's trivial to write a makefile that will root your machine. |
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| 04:29.10 | Narg | chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/flash': Operation not permitted |
| 04:29.13 | Danar | er, it's in there somewhere |
| 04:29.28 | sean_micken | dondelelcaro, oh, k. |
| 04:29.35 | Danar | hrm, well i've done it somehow before |
| 04:29.45 | dondelelcaro | Narg: read what dpkg told you. Help you it can. |
| 04:29.51 | voltagex | Danar: can't find the xmess package either. |
| 04:29.55 | Lazee | ive just installed debian sargeant and run updates. can anyone help me or link me to webpages that will teach me how to setup port forwarding/internet sharing/basic web routing on my debian box.. all ive managed to find so far are outdated help pages that arent for debian and just for generic linux distros |
| 04:30.08 | Narg | yoda dondelelcaro is? |
| 04:30.22 | Danar | voltagex: xmame is in there for me... |
| 04:30.32 | debian | Lazee: you wanna get it quick or start from basic? |
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| 04:30.42 | voltagex | Danar: you using stable or testing or what? |
| 04:30.48 | Lazee | i want to get it upv ery quick.. my sister needs net and i have to get a router up soon :p |
| 04:30.50 | Danar | voltagex: xmame-x, xmame-tools, etc |
| 04:30.53 | Danar | testing... |
| 04:30.57 | Lazee | learning can come later as i administer it |
| 04:30.58 | dondelelcaro | !tell Lazee about masq |
| 04:30.59 | Xenguy | Lazee: You want to do NAT and IP Masquerading, is that right? |
| 04:31.10 | voltagex | Narg: The dark side Gentoo is. |
| 04:31.23 | Lazee | nods |
| 04:31.28 | SlimeyPete | compile you will... and compile, and compile, without end. |
| 04:31.29 | Lazee | like a premade iptables script or something |
| 04:31.46 | Xenguy | Lazee: look at shorewall firewall |
| 04:31.52 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: that bit of information dpkg gave you will get you started. The firewalling is more complicated, and something you can deal with later. |
| 04:31.55 | voltagex | Danar: apt-cache search xmame turns up nothing. |
| 04:32.04 | Danar | anyone know how to get my vid card's bus identifier? lspci didn't help |
| 04:32.30 | Danar | voltagex: well, i'm using synaptic and a search for xmame turns up 6 results |
| 04:32.37 | dondelelcaro | !find xmame |
| 04:32.39 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'xmame' (5 shown): xmame-common ;; xmame-sdl ;; xmame-svga ;; xmame-tools ;; xmame-x. |
| 04:32.43 | Lazee | Xenguy: nah shorewall wont do enough for what i will be implementing later. today i want to just get basic forwarding setup, later i will be installing a web server, etc and making things better |
| 04:33.00 | Lazee | dondelelcaro: yep ive gone to the pages linked to by dpkg ill read up |
| 04:33.07 | Danar | hrm, in addition to those, i have xmame-gl |
| 04:33.13 | voltagex | dondelelcaro: I don't know wtf is going on with this then |
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| 04:33.22 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: you don't even need to read that page. The two commands it gave you will start forwarding. |
| 04:33.29 | Xenguy | Lazee: I doubt that - shorewall is very capable, but suit yourself |
| 04:33.39 | Danar | voltagex: have you updated the list? |
| 04:33.41 | Narg | Danar: How did you uninstall famd? |
| 04:33.45 | voltagex | would echoing my sources.list in flood be any use? |
| 04:33.51 | voltagex | Danar: yesterday. |
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| 04:33.52 | Danar | Narg: with synaptic... |
| 04:34.02 | dondelelcaro | voltagex: not really... apt-cache policy; would be better. |
| 04:34.07 | Narg | err... seaching for famd isnt showing up anything |
| 04:34.08 | zamson | im trying to use my linux server as a router (dhcp server) i installed a pack someone just gave here cant remember the name... now wondering how i configure this. |
| 04:34.09 | dondelelcaro | !info xmame-common |
| 04:34.11 | dpkg | xmame-common: (Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator), section non-free/games, is optional. Version: 0.89-1 (sid), Packaged size: 244 kB, Installed size: 508 kB |
| 04:34.21 | dondelelcaro | voltagex: but you won't have it unless you have non-free in your sources.list |
| 04:34.24 | voltagex | sid |
| 04:34.31 | voltagex | aaaaah |
| 04:34.37 | voltagex | lemme check |
| 04:35.24 | Lazee | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward <<<--- the output device, is that referring to sending to lan (for me, eth1)? |
| 04:35.32 | Danar | Narg: try gamin. that might be it |
| 04:35.32 | Narg | danar: Whats the package called? |
| 04:35.35 | Narg | hrm |
| 04:35.35 | Narg | k |
| 04:35.46 | voltagex | dondelelcaro: sigh, 3mb download for apt-get update... |
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| 04:36.23 | voltagex | dondelelcaro: I still don't understand why it would be so hard to move to bzip compression (aside from compatability) |
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| 04:36.44 | Danar | Narg: i searched 'file alteration' in name and description, and gamin turned up |
| 04:36.59 | Danar | check it's properties and look at installed files, see if famd is one of them |
| 04:36.59 | dondelelcaro | Lazee: actually, you don't even need the -o... |
| 04:37.20 | unoA | can any one guide me through the debian installation? |
| 04:37.38 | Narg | Nothing like gamin or file alteration on my system |
| 04:37.38 | Lazee | oh also i will need to setup a dhcp daemon for plug-in-and-go internet sharing :p |
| 04:37.43 | dondelelcaro | unoA: the install guide can do that better than we can. If you've got specific questions, we can help you with them. |
| 04:37.47 | Narg | well, at least thats what synaptic says |
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| 04:38.03 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: yerp. but bigger than that is pretty rare |
| 04:38.23 | Narg | 9.2 is highest recorded I believe? |
| 04:38.31 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, 9.0 is ten times bigger than 8.9 :| |
| 04:38.36 | WiFiTux | Narg, wow |
| 04:38.37 | dondelelcaro | unoA: please read /topic and refrain from /msg'ing me |
| 04:38.38 | Danar | Narg: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/FAM |
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| 04:39.00 | dondelelcaro | Narg: on this planet, maybe... |
| 04:39.03 | marinos | dfsg ?? |
| 04:39.08 | nvz | that nick has got to be like 100% lame with a cherry on top |
| 04:39.23 | voltagex | I love mirror.pacific.net.au |
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| 04:39.39 | Area-51 | does anyone know if its possible to have vmware (4.5.1) access serial ports (serial gps) on the host machine? (debian sarge, kernel 2.6.8 custom, most recent system updates) |
| 04:39.45 | voltagex | nvz: that nick is longer than yours. |
| 04:39.50 | nvz | marinos: debian free software guidelines |
| 04:39.51 | Lazee | anyways |
| 04:39.53 | Lazee | have to cut net |
| 04:39.55 | Lazee | but will be back soon :D |
| 04:40.09 | nvz | dpkg, nickometer nvz |
| 04:40.09 | dpkg | 'nvz' is 0.000% lame, nvz |
| 04:40.15 | marinos | nvz: yes :) dpkg told me |
| 04:40.31 | Danar | Narg: search for just 'fam' and 'dnotify' |
| 04:40.37 | voltagex | dpkg: niickometer voltagex |
| 04:40.38 | dpkg | voltagex: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 04:40.43 | voltagex | oops |
| 04:40.48 | voltagex | dpkg: nickometer voltagex |
| 04:41.16 | nvz | voltagex: lame ness is rated by lame chars that are a PITA to type |
| 04:41.27 | Narg | peer... I try to remove Fam, than it tries to remove GNOME :p |
| 04:41.39 | Danar | dpkg: :gkpd |
| 04:41.39 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Danar |
| 04:41.45 | Danar | heh |
| 04:42.04 | voltagex | hmmm does dpkg actually give any nicks ratings above 0 for lameness? |
| 04:42.07 | Danar | Narg: ah, i don't use gnome anymore.. guess that's why i had no probs removing it :p |
| 04:42.13 | tdfc | Narg: that's because fam is a dependencie of gnome |
| 04:42.14 | nvz | yeah for lame nicks |
| 04:42.23 | tdfc | use dpkg to force your action |
| 04:42.26 | nvz | !nickometer unoA |
| 04:42.31 | susfour | where is the apache placeholder page defined? |
| 04:42.32 | voltagex | nvz: what does it look for? |
| 04:42.52 | Xenguy | susfour: /var/www ? |
| 04:42.52 | Danar | Narg: i guess you should just leave it then, and just kill it when it gets in the way |
| 04:42.53 | nvz | voltagex: lame chars that are hard to type, underscores, stuff like that |
| 04:43.05 | voltagex | oh |
| 04:43.13 | voltagex | oops didn't see you say that before |
| 04:43.14 | Danar | nvz: oh please, underscores aren't hard to type |
| 04:43.25 | susfour | Xenguy: that's where it lives, where is it configured? |
| 04:43.26 | voltagex | !nickometer @#$%^ |
| 04:43.31 | nvz | I sense dondelelcaro is in the process of disabling that feature right now :P |
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| 04:43.50 | Xenguy | susfour: /etc/apache ? |
| 04:43.51 | voltagex | lol |
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| 04:43.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it'll only respond publicly to the first nick in a while |
| 04:44.02 | susfour | Xenguy: got a directive? |
| 04:44.03 | voltagex | nvz: over 99% for that last one |
| 04:44.05 | Narg | heh, I got rid of it. I switched to kde about a week ago |
| 04:44.10 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh, well thats good |
| 04:44.12 | Narg | Im very fluid in my linux choices atm :p |
| 04:44.19 | dondelelcaro | mainly to discourage nickometer madness |
| 04:44.31 | Danar | heh |
| 04:44.34 | voltagex | dondelelcaro: I'll refrain from using it too much anyway |
| 04:44.38 | Danar | i use kde too |
| 04:44.39 | zamson | i asked before what i should use to make my debian server act as a router (using 2 nics) cant remember which package i installed. any ideas? |
| 04:44.39 | nicedreams | is there a fix or a work around so the nvidia drivers don't keep hard crashing my system. I can't even listen to music without it crashing and if I even try something that is opengl, it hard crashes. hell, it even crashed trying to get into xchat last time. |
| 04:44.46 | Xenguy | susfour: I'm guessing because your questions are unclear to me - sorry |
| 04:44.55 | Danar | i've heard two people say not to use kde on debian, but neither would say why |
| 04:45.11 | Xenguy | susfour: what do you want to do - specifically? |
| 04:45.13 | nicedreams | zamson, search apt for some webmin packages |
| 04:45.27 | Narg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.28 | Narg | umount: /mnt/flash: device is busy |
| 04:45.30 | nicedreams | zamson, webmin usualy has some kind of package for managing something like that and it will install what you need and set it up for you |
| 04:45.31 | nvz | there is #debian-kde for a reason.. that reason is most debian users don't like kde |
| 04:45.35 | Narg | got rid of famd... |
| 04:45.38 | Danar | Narg: that's another handy thing, webmin |
| 04:45.42 | Danar | nvz: why's that? |
| 04:45.43 | nicedreams | zamson, that's what i do for my vpn server and it just does it all for me |
| 04:45.48 | voltagex | nvz: why?? gnome is ugly! |
| 04:45.55 | zamson | is possible to list what you installed recently? |
| 04:46.05 | voltagex | nvz: is there reason other than opinion though? |
| 04:46.32 | susfour | Xenguy: sorry for being unclear. the page in /var/www is not showing. I'm assuming somewhere in httpd.conf there is directive that determines which page loads if there in no index.* in a vhost. I'm looking for that setting. |
| 04:46.43 | nvz | I dont think the vast majority of debian users see x as anything more than a way to run more terminals at higher res |
| 04:46.49 | kensai | which is the name of the package that claims to manage cd's you insert in the cd rom automatically? |
| 04:46.51 | susfour | Xenguy: to see if it has been changedf |
| 04:46.58 | Danar | not only is kde better looking, but i find i like it better for other things. i like the K bar, which is absent in gnome |
| 04:46.59 | nvz | kde is just a waste of space |
| 04:47.00 | voltagex | hmm is there any way to give fluxbox something like kicker? |
| 04:47.47 | Xenguy | susfour: OK, at least now I understand what you want :-) |
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| 04:47.47 | Narg | Are all DEs wastes of space nvz? |
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| 04:47.48 | tdfc | is there a way i can use DES instead of MD5 in shadow ?// |
| 04:47.59 | Poprocks | hey again ;-) |
| 04:48.00 | voltagex | gah. how do I get rid of framebuffer so I can run X? |
| 04:48.12 | Xenguy | susfour: do you get a specific error tho? |
| 04:48.14 | tdfc | you can run x with framebuffer |
| 04:48.19 | Danar | anyone know how to get my vid card's bus identifier? lspci didn't help |
| 04:48.32 | nvz | Narg: I think xfce is smaller, though I dont know if it counts. but debian hasnt been the kind of thing that attracted those kinds of users I.e. windows refugees in the past |
| 04:48.33 | zamson | nicedreamz i installed webmin..what now? how do i configure it? do i have to restart? |
| 04:48.36 | nvz | I am sure that will change |
| 04:48.45 | nicedreams | zamson, search for other webmin packages |
| 04:48.49 | voltagex | tdfc: I actually don't need framebuffer any more |
| 04:48.55 | nicedreams | zamson, i beleive there is a router package for webmin |
| 04:49.05 | Danar | zamolxes: you go to 127.0.0.1:10000 in your browser and log in |
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| 04:49.24 | tdfc | voltagex: if it's integrated as a kernel module you can prevent it from being loaded, else you'll have to recompile your kernel |
| 04:49.42 | zamson | nicedreams, it didnt give a list - just installed webmin |
| 04:49.46 | Loof | Anyone here happen to know where I can get the sheet music or a clean midi/abc file of the pink panther for alto sax? Also is there a better midi->score than midi2abc -> abc2ps? |
| 04:49.47 | voltagex | tdfc: yeah it's a module. What do I change? |
| 04:49.47 | Xenguy | susfour: for instance, could be a 'directory listing' type configuration |
| 04:49.58 | susfour | Xenguy: no, I get a 403 |
| 04:50.09 | nicedreams | zamson, apt-cache search webmin |
| 04:50.13 | Poprocks | ok I have a faulty L2 cache that causes interesting errors at random times after my computer's been on for a few days. Does there exist a memory checker that only tests for errors in the L2 cache? I've tried memtest86+, and let it run for over 24 hours but it still didn't find anything wrong |
| 04:50.14 | tdfc | it's in /etc/modules.conf i think, i never had to use it so i don't know |
| 04:50.19 | nicedreams | zamson, it should give you a list of packages |
| 04:50.38 | susfour | Xenguy: says I don't have perms to access / on this server |
| 04:50.47 | nicedreams | zamson, you might need the other things in your apt sources file |
| 04:50.48 | tdfc | i'm not sure how framebuffer is handeled |
| 04:50.59 | Poprocks | tdfc, check /etc/modules or maybe it's enabled by hotplug? |
| 04:51.01 | Xenguy | susfour: what are the perms on /www/var then? |
| 04:51.05 | nicedreams | zamson, ubuntu uses universe and multiverse and i forgot what debian uses |
| 04:51.08 | Narg | Hrm... I connected a Hp laserjet 1100 printer to my box, and it works and detects, except it continually tries to print blank pages in debian. Fine in windows :( |
| 04:51.08 | Poprocks | err not tdfc |
| 04:51.17 | Narg | Anyone know why? |
| 04:51.21 | susfour | Xenguy: 755 |
| 04:51.22 | Poprocks | voltagex, do you have hotplug starting on boot? |
| 04:51.32 | voltagex | Poprocks: AFAIK yes. |
| 04:51.36 | susfour | Xenguy: index.bak is 644 |
| 04:51.40 | Xenguy | susfour: and the files in /var/www |
| 04:51.42 | nicedreams | is there a work around to get nvidia drivers to stop crashing my machine? |
| 04:51.46 | Xenguy | susfour: OK |
| 04:51.46 | Poprocks | voltagex, if it's being loaded by hotplug you can add it to /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 04:52.08 | chealer | nicedreams: when does it crash? |
| 04:52.08 | Narg | nicedreams: have wrong drivers memby? |
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| 04:52.25 | Narg | heheh |
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| 04:52.31 | Lord-Cereburus | lol |
| 04:52.43 | cat | !tell Lazee about root |
| 04:52.54 | zamson | nicedreams, do u know the exact name of the module. cant find anything called vpn or so |
| 04:52.55 | Danar | i'm trying to configure xserver-xfree86. what type of mouse best describes a logitech mx500? |
| 04:53.14 | voltagex | Poprocks: done, rebooting. |
| 04:53.15 | cat | ps 23 |
| 04:53.16 | cat | ps 2 |
| 04:53.24 | nvz | Narg: try be more specific. I have an HP PSC 2175v here connected via USB working with hpijs+foomatic+cups+xpp |
| 04:53.27 | Danar | it has8 buttons... |
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| 04:53.58 | Xenguy | susfour: do you have a /etc/apache/access.conf file? |
| 04:54.20 | Xenguy | susfour: (oh, and Apache 1 or 2?) |
| 04:54.45 | Poprocks | Narg, are you using cups? |
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| 04:54.59 | susfour | Xenguy: 1.3, my conf files are combined in httpd.conf. access.conf says to look in httpd.conf |
| 04:55.06 | nicedreams | as far as debian crashing, i've read that it is the nvidia drivers. I'm trying to see what drivers to use so it doesn't crash. I've used the official Ubuntu way and I've downloaded and installed the official nvidia drivers too and they both crash my system |
| 04:55.21 | Xenguy | susfour: nod |
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| 04:55.29 | nicedreams | zamson, ask for the extra repositories and add them to your sources.list |
| 04:55.42 | nicedreams | zamson, then you will get all the webmin modules and find them from there |
| 04:55.43 | Xenguy | susfour: do you have (in httpd.conf) -> <Directory /var/www> |
| 04:55.48 | WiFiTux | Poprocks, popsucks!! |
| 04:55.49 | chealer | nicedreams: so when is debian crashing? |
| 04:55.54 | nevyn | nicedreams: is your system smp? |
| 04:55.59 | nicedreams | no smp |
| 04:56.00 | Narg | nvs: Hp laserjet 1100, using lpd. Its connected to the big printer port thing in the back. |
| 04:56.02 | Poprocks | WiFiTux, well no one asked your opinion ;-) |
| 04:56.03 | nicedreams | p4 512mb of ram |
| 04:56.07 | Lazee | Can someone tell me an easy to setup dhcpd program available via apt-get please? the stock 'dhcpd' has a very confusing sample config file |
| 04:56.07 | Narg | Not sure what that kind is called :p |
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| 04:56.16 | Led_Zeppelin | [Mon Jan 10 23:50:27 2005] [error] SSL Library Error: 185073780 error:0B080074:x509 certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch |
| 04:56.18 | Poprocks | Narg, um.. is cupsd running? |
| 04:56.21 | nicedreams | i've changed 2 different nvidia cards, 3 different sticks of ram and 4 reinstalls |
| 04:56.26 | Led_Zeppelin | apache is barking these errors, can someone please help? |
| 04:56.29 | voltagex | Poprocks: didn't work, I don't think it's loaded by hotplug |
| 04:56.39 | Narg | Where does one check daemons? |
| 04:56.42 | WiFiTux | Poprocks, yeah right, go listed to your Britney Spears CD and start huging your puppys... |
| 04:56.42 | susfour | Xenguy: no |
| 04:56.46 | Poprocks | voltagex, I assume you checked /etc/modules? |
| 04:56.53 | voltagex | Poprocks: oops |
| 04:56.54 | Poprocks | WiFiTux, by the way, Pop Rocks is a candy :-) |
| 04:56.54 | nicedreams | it usually crashes when I try to get into a game like quake3 |
| 04:56.56 | nvz | hah |
| 04:57.01 | nicedreams | but it seems to crash when there is anything visual |
| 04:57.12 | nicedreams | i messed with the transparencies for xchat last time and it hard crashed |
| 04:57.23 | nicedreams | xmms hard crashes some times |
| 04:57.30 | Poprocks | voltagex, mind you, I don't have the fbdev module loaded but I still have framebuffer |
| 04:57.31 | voltagex | Poprocks: not in /etc/modules |
| 04:57.31 | nicedreams | and any type of 3d game |
| 04:57.33 | WiFiTux | Poprocks, now we are talking. |
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| 04:57.41 | susfour | Xenguy: but I do have one in an old bak copy. I'll add it |
| 04:57.46 | Xenguy | susfour: weird - I would add it to define your Document Root directory, e.g. -> <Directory /var/www> |
| 04:57.48 | Poprocks | voltagex, so you may just want to check /boot/grub/menu.lst and disable vga=whatever |
| 04:57.51 | nicedreams | I love debian, but i'm about to trash it if I can't get this to stop |
| 04:57.53 | unoA | whats the nickometer? |
| 04:58.02 | chealer | nicedreams: is it always instant? does it crash with glxgears for example? |
| 04:58.11 | Xenguy | susfour: where did the 'bak' stuff come from? |
| 04:58.13 | WiFiTux | !nickometer Poprocks |
| 04:58.13 | dpkg | 'Poprocks' is 0.000% lame, wifitux |
| 04:58.14 | Poprocks | nicedreams, so the nv drivers aren't good enough fer ya? ;-) |
| 04:58.17 | chealer | unoA: a bot that evaluates the lameness of your nick |
| 04:58.17 | WiFiTux | ah |
| 04:58.20 | Poprocks | WiFiTux, ha! |
| 04:58.24 | nicedreams | how can i go back to the nv drivers |
| 04:58.26 | WiFiTux | haha |
| 04:58.28 | Poprocks | !nickometer WiFiTux |
| 04:58.29 | nicedreams | they seem to not crash |
| 04:58.41 | chealer | nicedreams : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:58.46 | nicedreams | i'm on xorg |
| 04:58.46 | Poprocks | !nickometer WiFiTux |
| 04:58.47 | WiFiTux | Poprocks, dpkg is my bitch, she won't tell. |
| 04:58.51 | nvz | Poprocks: stop it |
| 04:59.00 | voltagex | dpkg is a she now? |
| 04:59.01 | dpkg | voltagex: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:59.03 | nicedreams | ubuntu hoary, i know this isn't a ubuntu channel, but it's a comon debian problem, and the ubuntu people aren't helping |
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| 04:59.11 | chealer | nicedreams: hum, xorg...are you sure you want to use sid? |
| 04:59.12 | unoA | !nickometer nicedreams |
| 04:59.20 | nvz | voltagex: /msg dpkg literal gender |
| 04:59.22 | Guerin | haha |
| 04:59.26 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 04:59.27 | Guerin | !lose nicedreams |
| 04:59.28 | dpkg | nicedreams: You Lose. |
| 04:59.31 | nicedreams | ? |
| 04:59.33 | unoA | wow! |
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| 04:59.36 | unoA | this bot is auwsome |
| 04:59.38 | nicedreams | what was that? |
| 04:59.45 | nicedreams | i'm a loser? :( |
| 04:59.48 | nicedreams | lo |
| 04:59.48 | nicedreams | l |
| 04:59.51 | susfour | Xenguy: my bad, that line is in httpd.conf |
| 04:59.51 | unoA | lmao |
| 04:59.53 | WiFiTux | nicedreams, is that new for ya? |
| 04:59.54 | nvz | unoA: /msg dpkg, when you want to ask something that doesnt benefit someone else. |
| 04:59.54 | Guerin | nicedreams: you're not using debian, AND you're using the bleeeding edge release of your notdebian distro, and you expect us to help you? |
| 05:00.03 | unoA | !nickometer unoA |
| 05:00.07 | voltagex | nvz: I don't think that factiod is set up right |
| 05:00.07 | nvz | unoA: as the topic says, /msg the bots not the people. |
| 05:00.08 | nicedreams | ubuntu is debian |
| 05:00.09 | Xenguy | susfour: OK |
| 05:00.11 | tag | I have a touch pad, and when I upgraded to the linux 2.6 kernel the tap to click feature stopped working. Now that was quite a while ago, but my friggin left click button just broke, so I need to fix it now :-/ |
| 05:00.13 | WiFiTux | unoA, cut ut. |
| 05:00.15 | unoA | sorry nvz |
| 05:00.17 | Guerin | !nondeb ubuntu |
| 05:00.18 | nvz | voltagex: what the gender factiod? |
| 05:00.18 | dpkg | Go to channel #ubuntu for help with ubuntu. If ubuntu were Debian, it would be called Debian and not ubuntu. |
| 05:00.19 | nicedreams | that's like saying weat bread is not bread |
| 05:00.24 | voltagex | nvz: yeah |
| 05:00.28 | tag | Any ideas what changed with that un'? |
| 05:00.32 | Xenguy | susfour: but where did the 'bak' stuff come from (i.e. why?) ? |
| 05:00.36 | Guerin | nicedreams: no, it's like saying a volkswagen is not a porsche |
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| 05:00.49 | Poprocks | tag, gah, I spent months figuring out how to _disable_ touch to click (but I still don't remember what I did...) but that laptop is out of commission atm :) |
| 05:01.00 | nicedreams | if ubuntu isn't debian then why is it the same exact thing, but not the repositories |
| 05:01.02 | unoA | how come im lame? |
| 05:01.04 | susfour | Xenguy: good practice to make a backup before futzing with system config files |
| 05:01.06 | Guerin | nicedreams: it's not. |
| 05:01.15 | voltagex | Guerin: ubuntu would be a skoda, not a volkswagen |
| 05:01.16 | nvz | voltagex: no its right, its setup to choose at random |
| 05:01.23 | nicedreams | whatever...it's the same, but they use their own repositories and it's a little more tweaked |
| 05:01.25 | susfour | Xenguy: not actually sure who or why, but I've diffed them and don't see any negotiable differences |
| 05:01.34 | Guerin | voltagex: no, I think a volkswagen (vehicle of the people) is a fair call. |
| 05:01.35 | WiFiTux | nicedreams, if ubuntu is called ubuntu, it's ubuntu, it;'s not debian. |
| 05:01.38 | Xenguy | susfour: I find it weird you can't browse the Document Root, yes? |
| 05:01.42 | tag | Poprocks: well mine was conviently disabled for me |
| 05:01.50 | tag | Poprocks: my left click button doesn't UNCLICK right now |
| 05:01.50 | voltagex | nvz: it showed me all of them, like gender is <reply> blah|blah|blah |
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| 05:01.56 | Poprocks | tag, gah |
| 05:02.02 | Guerin | nicedreams: it's different; read the topic. |
| 05:02.04 | chealer | unoA: you have a capital letter in your nick :-P |
| 05:02.05 | glick | heh kde 3.3 is hella schweet |
| 05:02.05 | tag | Poprocks: so I'll take the touch to click, although it sucked when I didn't have a 3 button mouse (but now I do) |
| 05:02.07 | susfour | Xenguy: and as I recall, this box from initial setup has never showed that placeholder |
| 05:02.12 | tag | 3 button touch pad, anyway |
| 05:02.13 | nicedreams | screw it...i hate this chat bullshit, fucking kids |
| 05:02.15 | unoA | chealer, fair enough |
| 05:02.17 | nvz | voltagex: yeah thats the literal of the factiod gender is <reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure) |
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| 05:02.25 | voltagex | oh |
| 05:02.38 | tag | Poprocks: yeah, I think the spring got disjointed or something |
| 05:02.39 | Narg | If I installed a new kernel (2.6) and it works fine, is it safe to take 2.4 off Grubs boot list? |
| 05:02.41 | Poprocks | nicedreams prefers MSN messenger |
| 05:02.43 | Xenguy | susfour: have you considered simply purging and re-installing? (I know that is frowned on around here, but ... :-) |
| 05:02.45 | tag | Poprocks: just happened, and at the worst time ever |
| 05:02.46 | nvz | voltagex: when you ask dpkg its gender it chooses one at random |
| 05:02.52 | WiFiTux | oh nicedreams when to sleep with debian nightmares? :( |
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| 05:03.00 | tag | Poprocks: when I clicked on my volume control....so when I move my mouse BLAM right in my ear |
| 05:03.01 | Poprocks | tag, I assume the synaptics driver is enabled in XF86Config? |
| 05:03.02 | tag | hahaha |
| 05:03.02 | WiFiTux | s/when/went |
| 05:03.07 | nullset | is there a place i can set environment variables for all users on the system? |
| 05:03.08 | tag | synaptics? Maybe not |
| 05:03.13 | voltagex | lol |
| 05:03.15 | tag | it initially worked magically |
| 05:03.18 | Guerin | heh, he should be real careful about using the words 'fucking' and 'kids' next to each other |
| 05:03.22 | susfour | Xenguy: LOL! no, production machine. I'll deal with the frustration before reinstalling |
| 05:03.25 | Poprocks | tag, I'm 90% sure you need that for touch to click |
| 05:03.33 | WiFiTux | Guerin, ha |
| 05:03.38 | voltagex | Guerin: you're an aussie right? |
| 05:03.41 | Xenguy | susfour: heheh |
| 05:03.43 | tag | Yes it is |
| 05:03.52 | WiFiTux | tag, what is? |
| 05:03.54 | tag | synaptics driver is being used (just looked now) |
| 05:04.02 | susfour | Xenguy: thanks for going through this with me, let me know if you have any other thoughts |
| 05:04.14 | nvz | Guerin: who? |
| 05:04.20 | Xenguy | susfour: will do - if you find a solution I'd be interested to hear too |
| 05:04.39 | voltagex | brb trying to kill framebuffer |
| 05:04.56 | tag | Poprocks: do I need some kind of setting for synaptics? |
| 05:05.00 | WiFiTux | oh I don't use fb anymore. |
| 05:05.03 | nvz | oh I see |
| 05:05.08 | Poprocks | tag, I believe it is configurable... don't know how though |
| 05:05.14 | Poprocks | yes it _is_ configurable |
| 05:05.18 | chealer | Narg: most likely until you remove the 2.6 one |
| 05:05.23 | Guerin | voltagex: bzzzt, guess again |
| 05:05.46 | nvz | yeah I seen that one comming. I didn't bother, I knew he was just trolling a long time ago. |
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| 05:05.48 | Guerin | nvz: nicedreams ... one is left in no doubt now as to whast his nice dreams were about |
| 05:05.52 | Poprocks | tag, oh wait.. do you have the package xfree86-driver-synaptics installed? |
| 05:05.54 | United | is there anyway to not use md5 and use sha1 ? |
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| 05:06.30 | Poprocks | tag, and there's at least 2 guis in apt to configure it -- ksynaptics and qsynaptics |
| 05:06.32 | nvz | Guerin: you knew that one was a troll, he was giving us that If you dont meet my demands I am going to go back to _foo_! crap |
| 05:06.50 | tag | Poprocks: nope! I just installed it tho |
| 05:07.01 | Poprocks | tag, that could be part of it |
| 05:07.02 | solomon | what mobo and gpu chipsets will play nice with linux? |
| 05:07.11 | WiFiTux | s/they/day |
| 05:07.11 | nvz | Guerin: he couldnt stop babbling on long enough for anyone to get any relevant info out of him |
| 05:07.13 | tag | Poprocks: awesome, I'm gonna bust out one of those configuratros |
| 05:07.28 | WiFiTux | I'm confusing the words with the pronaunciation., |
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| 05:07.47 | Poprocks | tag, unless dpkg gives you a nice dialog :) you might not be so lucky though |
| 05:07.49 | solomon | markybob |
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| 05:07.53 | solomon | i remember that name |
| 05:08.07 | Guerin | nvz: yeah. bon voyage... |
| 05:08.08 | markybob | solomon, wow. it's been a while, man |
| 05:08.10 | nvz | yeah so you swaped video cards, ram, blah blah.. what freakin kernel, what driver, and what does "crashes" mean is all I could think |
| 05:08.12 | tag | yea |
| 05:08.16 | tag | its not loaded, just a sec |
| 05:08.23 | solomon | markybob: it has indeed. you have to remind me what i know about you |
| 05:08.36 | Led_Zeppelin | can someone help me with apache+ssl ? |
| 05:08.41 | WiFiTux | solomon, markybob a new gay reunion? :-) |
| 05:08.42 | markybob | solomon, a lot. from four years ago, though :) caedmon's call ring a bell? |
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| 05:08.52 | Led_Zeppelin | I have my certificate from my CA, but I am having problems in apache. |
| 05:08.59 | solomon | markybob: it rings a bell.. didn't you introduce me to them? |
| 05:09.03 | WiFiTux | Led_Zeppelin, like what? |
| 05:09.04 | solomon | markybob: now i have all their cd's :P |
| 05:09.07 | markybob | WiFiTux, no, but i do appreciate your sense of humor :) |
| 05:09.07 | nvz | I'll play some tom petty, sing him "Refugee" as he sails back to wherever he came from |
| 05:09.13 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: #apache |
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| 05:09.27 | Led_Zeppelin | WiFiTux, [Mon Jan 10 23:50:27 2005] [error] Unable to configure RSA server private key |
| 05:09.27 | Led_Zeppelin | [Mon Jan 10 23:50:27 2005] [error] SSL Library Error: 185073780 error:0B080074:x509 certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch |
| 05:09.35 | WiFiTux | markybob, nah, you are welcome! :) |
| 05:09.35 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, its quiet there.. |
| 05:09.36 | markybob | solomon, i did. gotta love 'em. |
| 05:09.39 | Led_Zeppelin | google has noging. |
| 05:09.43 | solomon | markybob: :) |
| 05:09.46 | voltagex | I can't get rid of framebuffer, nothing in hotplug or /etc/modules and I've removed the vga line from grub |
| 05:09.59 | solomon | markybob: i think we muhst hav ea big history but i just can't remember aside from you told me about some music :P |
| 05:10.06 | solomon | must have a |
| 05:10.10 | Poprocks | voltagex, what even gives you the indication it's running? |
| 05:10.11 | WiFiTux | voltagex, is it built in or as module? |
| 05:10.19 | markybob | solomon, you'll remember. what have you been up to? hopefully doing better than before i left? |
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| 05:11.03 | Xenguy | susfour: do you have -> DocumentRoot /var/www |
| 05:11.03 | solomon | markybob: was i like really broke and stuff when you left. and were you the one that joined the marines |
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| 05:11.04 | voltagex | Poprocks: xfree86 complains about not being able to run in framebuffer mode |
| 05:11.06 | Xenguy | susfour: (no angle brackets) |
| 05:11.06 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: there's a separate apache-ssl-doc package or somesuch, which has all you need to get going with. |
| 05:11.07 | markybob | solomon, yeah, you were hurting pretty badly |
| 05:11.13 | voltagex | I thought it was a module but maybe not |
| 05:11.22 | Poprocks | voltagex, I assume you've set up your XF86Config-4 file correctly? |
| 05:11.26 | WiFiTux | voltagex, check /etc/modules |
| 05:11.40 | susfour | Xenguy: yes |
| 05:11.47 | WiFiTux | voltagex, and not manually editing it. |
| 05:11.55 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, I am sooo far now...just this last part is killing me.... |
| 05:11.57 | voltagex | Poprocks: It was working before I played with framebuffer |
| 05:12.03 | Poprocks | voltagex, oh |
| 05:12.10 | markybob | solomon, things got better for you, i hope? |
| 05:12.11 | solomon | markybob: i am good now. my life is a lot different though |
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| 05:12.13 | solomon | markybob: in a good way |
| 05:12.29 | markybob | solomon, glad to hear it! you certainly deserve it |
| 05:12.33 | Poprocks | ok I have a faulty L2 cache that causes interesting errors at random times after my computer's been on for a few days. Does there exist a memory checker that only tests for errors in the L2 cache? I've tried memtest86+, and let it run for over 24 hours but it still didn't find anything wrong |
| 05:12.41 | solomon | markybob: i got a job doing data entry for the post office that i've kept for 3 years and i will probably get on as a career with benefits and stuff soon, still just doing data entry |
| 05:12.42 | WiFiTux | Is this #debian-social? |
| 05:12.47 | voltagex | Poprocks: recompiling kernel, fb was built in *slaps head* |
| 05:12.54 | Poprocks | voltagex, ohhh |
| 05:13.02 | Poprocks | cool |
| 05:13.04 | markybob | solomon, sweet deal. decent pay? |
| 05:13.10 | solomon | markybob: i got emt certification and was going to go to paramedic school, but i'm not sure i will because i can make more money typing and just do volunteer work |
| 05:13.18 | Poprocks | voltagex, you should be able to run X while fb is enabled... but anyway |
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| 05:13.23 | solomon | markybob: $13.50/hr now. hopefully in the fall it'll be 17-18 |
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| 05:13.37 | markybob | solomon, very nice indeed :) |
| 05:13.41 | AngelGabriel | Hi people |
| 05:13.53 | voltagex | Poprocks: X died with an error about needing to specify busids |
| 05:13.56 | solomon | markybob: how about you? |
| 05:14.17 | markybob | solomon, i just got out of the military. did two deployments to iraq and survived! ;) |
| 05:14.20 | Xenguy | susfour: hrm, I don't get it -- let me know if you find a solution, cos right now I'm as perplexed as you ;-) |
| 05:14.36 | Poprocks | voltagex, since you last spoke you already recompiled your kernel and rebooted? |
| 05:14.40 | WiFiTux | Markrian, you killed people? |
| 05:14.45 | AngelGabriel | I have a query - an dI'm not sure this is the right room to ask -so please don't scream Off Topic at me! |
| 05:14.46 | voltagex | Poprocks: no, doing it now |
| 05:14.55 | WiFiTux | markybob, , you killed people? |
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| 05:15.10 | United | Where are the actual password hash files stored on my system? not /etc/passwd but? |
| 05:15.11 | AngelGabriel | I want to be able to use my debian server, to host diffrent boot images for the various PC's I maintain |
| 05:15.12 | markybob | WiFiTux, not something i really like talking about, but yes. |
| 05:15.13 | solomon | markybob: glad you're back :) |
| 05:15.18 | tag | do you hurm, well that didn't really help that much |
| 05:15.37 | WiFiTux | markybob, how did the first one felt? |
| 05:15.42 | tag | The synaptics driver seems to feel that my touchpad is not a synaptics compatible touchpad |
| 05:15.46 | voltagex | brb |
| 05:15.46 | Poprocks | tag, did you get ksynaptics? |
| 05:15.53 | markybob | WiFiTux, horrible. i have nightmares. |
| 05:15.55 | Poprocks | tag, oh |
| 05:15.55 | Poprocks | hehe |
| 05:16.06 | solomon | WiFiTux: geez |
| 05:16.08 | tag | Poprocks: Is there something my kernel might need? |
| 05:16.09 | WiFiTux | markybob, you are joking? |
| 05:16.13 | markybob | WiFiTux, no. |
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| 05:16.20 | susfour | Xenguy: yeah, error.log shows Directory index forbidden by rule: |
| 05:16.30 | WiFiTux | markybob, go get vacations... |
| 05:16.33 | AngelGabriel | I want to be able to load whatever boot disk I want from a menu system - I want to be able to network boot a client, and then select to either do a debian install, a complete system blanking, instead of having to carry around all my CD's and disks |
| 05:16.37 | carrett | hi. anyone here know a way i can copy DIRECTORIES from ext3 partitions in windows? |
| 05:16.41 | markybob | solomon, on a not so happy note, i'm party disabled. i received a medical discharge |
| 05:16.44 | Xenguy | susfour: is there more or is that it? |
| 05:16.53 | markybob | solomon, s/party/partly |
| 05:17.01 | solomon | markybob: what happened? |
| 05:17.08 | susfour | Xenguy: and then shows the path from / to the vhost doc_root |
| 05:17.30 | Poprocks | tag, no but check this website, it seems pretty useful, check that your XF86Config section looks like theirs: http://www.cs.duke.edu/~reynolds/m5n-linux.html |
| 05:17.37 | markybob | solomon, wound messed up my nerves system a bit. on meds for the pain probably for the rest of my life. |
| 05:17.46 | WiFiTux | markybob, what nightmares, you see the people you killed? |
| 05:17.52 | tag | m5n! thats almost the system I have |
| 05:17.54 | markybob | WiFiTux, seriously, this isnt the place. |
| 05:17.59 | solomon | WiFiTux: you might just lay off |
| 05:18.01 | Xenguy | susfour: that's it then, you're not allowed to show a directory listing - I just can't remember which config that is (but how hard can it be to look up?) |
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| 05:18.29 | tag | Poprocks: I have an m3n |
| 05:18.31 | WiFiTux | markybob, sorry. I have never talk to someone about this, we don;t even have a army in my country. |
| 05:18.44 | markybob | WiFiTux, feel free to /msg me |
| 05:18.46 | tag | Poprocks: Mine should work almost exactly the same |
| 05:19.01 | markybob | solomon, very good to be home, though. now i just have to find a job :) |
| 05:19.18 | solomon | ah, i thought WiFiTux was just giving you a hard time |
| 05:19.29 | Poprocks | tag, well it seems to be just an X driver according to that.... but I _definitely_ remember seeing something about Synaptics when browsing through menuconfig not very long ago (around 2.6.0 or so) |
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| 05:19.32 | Lethargy | If your disabled, make sure you file your claim with the VA. |
| 05:19.32 | bbhill | jobs are teh sux0r |
| 05:19.37 | WiFiTux | solomon, I'm in costa rica, we don't even kill a fly here... |
| 05:19.40 | markybob | Lethargy, already done. |
| 05:19.44 | solomon | i would guess that the majority of people here aren't cool with what our country has used people like yourself to do |
| 05:19.48 | WiFiTux | Only country without and armt |
| 05:19.50 | WiFiTux | y |
| 05:19.56 | Lethargy | good job, get as much out of them as you can. |
| 05:20.02 | solomon | i must say i'm one of those, but i can't well blame you |
| 05:20.04 | bbhill | yeah because linux users are a bunch of liberals! |
| 05:20.31 | markybob | bbhill, the majority of geeks seem to be...if /. polls are to be trusted ;) |
| 05:20.34 | solomon | markybob: so are you set pretty well being disabled and stuff? |
| 05:20.57 | WiFiTux | solomon, there are things that we don't agree with, but we can't have a nuts guy controlling the oil of the world. |
| 05:21.04 | markybob | solomon, not really. get about $400 a paycheck. i still need a job |
| 05:21.11 | WiFiTux | AngelGabriel, no |
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| 05:21.16 | voltagex | damn fluxbox is ugly |
| 05:21.18 | tag | He shows it working |
| 05:21.28 | AngelGabriel | voltagex: Can't say I disagree! |
| 05:21.28 | cat | voltagex: get waimea |
| 05:21.31 | tvn | $400 after tax ? |
| 05:21.33 | bbhill | voltagex try openbox! |
| 05:21.35 | WiFiTux | markybob, so, you have this nerve problem, and they give you $400? |
| 05:21.35 | voltagex | installing xfce... |
| 05:21.36 | Lethargy | do you have a gi bill. |
| 05:21.36 | tag | APIC |
| 05:22.04 | Lethargy | You also might qualify for vocrehab, or vocational rehab. |
| 05:22.05 | bbhill | can we have a windowmanager war please? |
| 05:22.06 | markybob | Lethargy, yes, but i'm not sure if i'll use it yet. waiting to find out what the job market looks like |
| 05:22.08 | bbhill | kde sux!! |
| 05:22.13 | Xenguy | susfour: you have a 'DirectoryIndex' in httpd.conf, yes? |
| 05:22.16 | Poprocks | voltagex, well you need to use a good-looking theme |
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| 05:22.20 | WiFiTux | markybob, I won't msg you about this, I won't distrurb your memories. |
| 05:22.24 | markybob | WiFiTux, yes. it's a way the government helps out |
| 05:22.30 | Poprocks | dpkg, start a desktop war |
| 05:22.30 | dpkg | Sawfish, indeed, wins the #1 spot. |
| 05:22.30 | WiFiTux | Helps? |
| 05:22.40 | solomon | oh hell yes |
| 05:22.44 | bbhill | In fluxbox i like NYZ theme w/ a cool dark bluye background |
| 05:22.46 | susfour | Xenguy: y |
| 05:22.47 | markybob | WiFiTux, to deal. yes. |
| 05:22.48 | solomon | dpkg knows wht he's talking about |
| 05:22.48 | dpkg | solomon: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 05:22.48 | voltagex | Poprocks: meh, I'm going to install KDE anyways |
| 05:22.59 | solomon | even if it is just random |
| 05:23.01 | Poprocks | GNOME rules |
| 05:23.02 | voltagex | dpkg sawfish sucks |
| 05:23.03 | dpkg | voltagex: are you smoking crack? |
| 05:23.09 | voltagex | dpkg sawfish sucks |
| 05:23.11 | Poprocks | voltagex, you got told |
| 05:23.12 | voltagex | dpkg sawfish sucks |
| 05:23.18 | voltagex | oops sorry flood |
| 05:23.24 | solomon | hehe |
| 05:23.27 | WiFiTux | someone kill voltagex !!! |
| 05:23.36 | bbhill | kde just comes with too much stuff. im running this on a small drive so i cant use it. |
| 05:23.39 | voltagex | dpkg kill me |
| 05:23.39 | Lethargy | Fluxbox had a cool feature, its taken out now, it was tabed windows. |
| 05:23.42 | solomon | voltagex is obviously smoking crack if he thinks sawfish sucks :) |
| 05:24.03 | Poprocks | yeah sawfish is pretty friggin awesome :) |
| 05:24.04 | solomon | Lethargy: that would be nice |
| 05:24.07 | Poprocks | I prefer Metacity though |
| 05:24.09 | voltagex | doesn't sawfish == GNOME? |
| 05:24.12 | bbhill | !sawfish |
| 05:24.12 | dpkg | [sawfish] at http://sawmill.sourceforge.net, and really the coolest windowmanager out there, and the E killer, or still not as small and fast as fvwm2, or broken a lot, or a window-manager written and configurable in Lisp, or a window manager that 0wnz everyone, or a window manager that really rocks, or a fish with a long wobbly serrated nose, or discussed at #sawfish |
| 05:24.14 | solomon | Poprocks: no matched windows |
| 05:24.19 | Lethargy | you could stack tabs on each other open up the following. |
| 05:24.24 | Poprocks | solomon, zuh? |
| 05:24.25 | Lethargy | window. |
| 05:24.29 | solomon | Poprocks: and the crux theme doesn't change the design of the title bar based on the size of the text |
| 05:24.33 | bbhill | is it that good? |
| 05:24.47 | Poprocks | solomon, I like glider |
| 05:24.48 | solomon | Poprocks: those are the two reasons i use sawfish instead of metacity |
| 05:24.51 | Poprocks | ;-) |
| 05:24.57 | markybob | voltagex, no. |
| 05:24.58 | solomon | Poprocks: glider? |
| 05:25.05 | Lethargy | Also in an xterm you could lable your windows, with the -T switch. |
| 05:25.06 | czopp | I installed kernel-image-2.6.10-1-686 today, after boot into it sound device files (/dev/dsp, /dev/mixer .etc) NOT created, using OSS driver cs46xx and kernel-image-2.6.9-2-686 works fine, any help? |
| 05:25.09 | solomon | markybob: do you get on aim often |
| 05:25.17 | Lethargy | that no longer works anymore. |
| 05:25.21 | Poprocks | solomon, yeah well everyone has their own opinion :) as I said sawfish kicks ass, but I like metacity a little better, windows drag smoother ;-) |
| 05:25.26 | markybob | solomon, yep. /msg me your sn |
| 05:25.28 | solomon | markybob: btw, AIM Messenger is redundant :P |
| 05:25.35 | Poprocks | solomon, glider's just a metacity/gnome theme that I really like |
| 05:25.44 | solomon | Poprocks: hm haven't tried it. screen? |
| 05:25.52 | Poprocks | solomon, plus I'm Havoc's bitch ;-) |
| 05:25.58 | tag | this is really gay |
| 05:26.00 | tag | goddamnit |
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| 05:26.06 | tvn | dammit |
| 05:26.16 | tag | damnit |
| 05:26.24 | WiFiTux | ? |
| 05:26.27 | tag | ! |
| 05:26.30 | solomon | Poprocks: if there was a way for me to get metacity to put my gaim window the way i like it, i would pretty much be sold |
| 05:26.30 | Poprocks | solomon, it's not overly "cool" like Crux or anything... I just lik eit |
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| 05:26.38 | voltagex | dpkg, Poprocks is Havoc's bitch, or a type of candy (lolly) |
| 05:26.39 | dpkg | voltagex: okay |
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| 05:26.51 | Poprocks | solomon, how do you like your gaim window? |
| 05:26.52 | solomon | Poprocks: i have it put it up with no borders in a particular position that is actually partially off the screen :) |
| 05:26.58 | Poprocks | cool |
| 05:26.59 | voltagex | muahahaha |
| 05:27.13 | solomon | Poprocks: lemme see if i have a screen of it. btw do you have a screen of glider? |
| 05:27.31 | Poprocks | solomon, I've always tried to switch window managers but I always crawl back to metacity because its right-click context menu blends in well and stuff like that |
| 05:27.34 | voltagex | !Poprocks |
| 05:27.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, poprocks is Havoc's bitch, or a type of candy (lolly) |
| 05:27.51 | Poprocks | solomon, I could just make a screenshot of this Xchat window + gnome if you want |
| 05:28.00 | solomon | Poprocks: go for it :) |
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| 05:28.23 | Poprocks | ok say cheese |
| 05:28.34 | voltagex | cheese |
| 05:29.18 | solomon | http://prettyspiffy.mine.nu:8080/screenshots/Screenshot-1.png |
| 05:29.36 | Poprocks | solomon, gah gotta redo it none of my windows are focussed in it ;-) |
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| 05:29.55 | bbhill | !fluxbox |
| 05:30.07 | dpkg | it has been said that fluxbox is a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features |
| 05:30.21 | tag | pekwm += fluxbox; |
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| 05:30.39 | Poprocks | http://img73.exs.cx/img73/699/screenshot9um.png |
| 05:30.42 | solomon | Poprocks: hehe |
| 05:30.45 | Poprocks | solomon, ok I'll look at yours |
| 05:30.54 | WiFiTux | solomon, what's that music player? |
| 05:31.05 | solomon | WiFiTux: rhythmbox, i like it |
| 05:31.10 | WiFiTux | cool |
| 05:31.10 | solomon | don't really use it anymore since i have a neuros |
| 05:31.20 | solomon | don't use that background anymore or the slightly gay pink tint |
| 05:31.24 | Poprocks | solomon, hehe, cool, reminiscent of gnome 1.4 :) |
| 05:31.29 | solomon | i got bored and just set a solid color and a black window |
| 05:32.01 | Poprocks | yes rhythmbox is awesome |
| 05:32.06 | solomon | Poprocks: who knows, that might even be 1.4 :) it was taken a while ago. but things look about the same now |
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| 05:32.18 | voltagex | Poprocks: better than xmms? |
| 05:32.36 | Poprocks | solomon, nah it's definitely 2.x, but it reminds me of 1.4 somehow |
| 05:32.46 | solomon | Poprocks: is that a mail notification thing in the system tray? |
| 05:32.56 | Poprocks | voltagex, xmms is winamp as rhythmbox is to itunes |
| 05:33.02 | Poprocks | solomon, yeah |
| 05:33.08 | solomon | Poprocks: what is it? |
| 05:33.11 | loke | poprocks rule |
| 05:33.16 | voltagex | Poprocks: but itunes sucks. |
| 05:33.18 | loke | pez are better tho |
| 05:33.23 | Poprocks | "Inbox Monitor" applet |
| 05:33.36 | voltagex | does rhythmbox play xm files? |
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| 05:33.45 | Poprocks | voltagex, well if you don't like that style of player, don't use rhythmbox |
| 05:33.56 | Poprocks | voltagex, it plays whatever your gstreamer has been set up to play |
| 05:34.28 | Poprocks | solomon, and I see you prefer antialiased fonts :-) |
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| 05:35.08 | solomon | Poprocks: ah i guess that's what i have |
| 05:35.16 | solomon | Poprocks: oh very much so |
| 05:35.19 | zamson | i downloaded and made a iptables script - when i try to put it in init.d it says i dont have the right permissions, what should i do? im oding this from the gui |
| 05:35.29 | solomon | Poprocks: i didn't even notice when they showed up but then one day they broke and i cried |
| 05:35.40 | solomon | Poprocks: so i picked out some nice ones and got them to stay |
| 05:35.53 | Poprocks | yeah by the looks of it you've got the autohinter |
| 05:36.00 | Poprocks | I"m a bytecode interpreter man, myself ;-) |
| 05:36.11 | voltagex | yay xfce is working |
| 05:36.26 | solomon | autohinter? |
| 05:36.54 | zamson | question: how do i execute iptables scripts? |
| 05:37.08 | solomon | hm, i have different colors now too |
| 05:37.11 | solomon | i got tired of debian red |
| 05:37.17 | Poprocks | basically you have two options for font rendering... the autohinter or the bytecode interpreter |
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| 05:37.22 | solomon | well, i guess it was not actual debian red |
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| 05:37.30 | unoA | how is debian with scsi harddrive |
| 05:37.34 | solomon | it was the red from the original xcf i got of the debian logo |
| 05:37.53 | Poprocks | ah... I thought the red was pretty neat |
| 05:37.54 | solomon | Poprocks: oh, i don't really know anything about fonts, i just sort of went through looking for goodness |
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| 05:38.01 | Poprocks | yeah |
| 05:38.01 | chealer | am I missing something? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all says unstable is 2.6.8-10 and http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386.html talks about 2.6.8-12 I don't see 2.6.8-12 in synaptic neither |
| 05:38.16 | solomon | Poprocks: i can look for the hex of it if you want |
| 05:38.28 | solomon | actually, nah, you can just find it out from gimp if you like :P |
| 05:38.32 | Poprocks | solomon, I didn't really care either until someone challenged me, and told me that Windows fonts were better... so of course I had to prove him wrong (by making mine just like windows ;-) |
| 05:38.40 | Poprocks | solomon, heh, that's ok |
| 05:38.42 | solomon | hehehe |
| 05:38.43 | obtix | i am upgrading a new debian system (2.2) to a 2.6 kernel, the computer has no network card so i am stuck doing it the "old-school" way. i downloaded and burnt the kernel src and configured it, when i type "make-kpkg --revision=NAME kernel_image" it fails to make the .deb package in the /usr/src dir |
| 05:39.12 | solomon | Poprocks: now that i look i must admit i would hate to have your fonts. to each his own :) |
| 05:39.27 | Poprocks | solomon, yeah for sure |
| 05:39.49 | Poprocks | but I can make mine look like yours in the wink of an eye if I want to ;-) |
| 05:39.52 | Teresa21 | hello..there...it's my first time here...after leaving windows..hehe |
| 05:40.01 | unoA | i need the scsi modules for the hdd? anyone can help? |
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| 05:40.16 | solomon | Poprocks: i can't say the same.. i'm not adept enough :) |
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| 05:41.11 | Poprocks | solomon, thankfully it's quite simple in debian :) |
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| 05:41.24 | obtix | anyone? |
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| 05:41.31 | solomon | markybob: you sure do know a lot of pretty girls |
| 05:42.12 | solomon | i am having such a weird problem with apache |
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| 05:42.31 | markybob | solomon, you'd better not be talking about laura. that girl's 15 ;) she's my best friend's niece...known her since she was 7 |
| 05:42.51 | WiFiTux | Area-51, haha |
| 05:43.26 | WiFiTux | solomon, you nasty rappist! |
| 05:43.36 | solomon | markybob: just whoever is in those pics :P |
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| 05:43.51 | Area-51 | WiFiTux: its a good thing that i didnt mention that i was a fat kid :P |
| 05:44.04 | WiFiTux | Area-51, beleive me, I know that... |
| 05:44.04 | markybob | solomon, heh |
| 05:44.43 | Area-51 | :P |
| 05:45.19 | solomon | hm well i fixed my weird problem |
| 05:45.28 | solomon | markybob: http://prettyspiffy.mine.nu:8080 |
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| 05:46.02 | markybob | solomon, heh. "and also another guy" |
| 05:46.07 | Poprocks | solomon, are you the one on the left? |
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| 05:46.53 | WiFiTux | Poprocks, no, he is the old one in the middle. |
| 05:46.56 | WiFiTux | :/ |
| 05:47.09 | zamson | what do i have to do to copy files to /etc/init.d/? |
| 05:47.17 | Poprocks | heh |
| 05:47.55 | markybob | solomon, great pics. like the humor |
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| 05:47.56 | tag | Poprocks: Yeah I needed APIC and IOAPIC |
| 05:48.03 | chealer | zamson: cp? |
| 05:48.04 | solomon | WiFiTux: it says which one i am, silly |
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| 05:48.29 | WiFiTux | solomon, /me joke |
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| 05:48.36 | solomon | WiFiTux: ah, hehe |
| 05:48.37 | tag | atleast I think |
| 05:48.37 | zamson | chealer what do u mean? |
| 05:48.38 | Poprocks | tag, oh... so it works now? |
| 05:48.39 | tag | I'll find out in a second |
| 05:48.44 | Poprocks | ok |
| 05:48.57 | chealer | zamson: if you're just new to linux, be root, then use the cp command |
| 05:49.22 | zamson | chealer in the terminal u mean? |
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| 05:49.37 | solomon | i need to add some photos to my photo section but i can't remember how to use the album generator i have and i am not motivated to remember |
| 05:49.38 | WiFiTux | Area-51, go run and lower that fat |
| 05:49.43 | markybob | solomon, haha...now i remember you were a bebo freak ;) |
| 05:49.52 | solomon | also i really wish i could go back to using boa instead of apache but it is completely fubar |
| 05:49.55 | Area-51 | WiFiTux: pfft, then i wouldnt be so cool |
| 05:49.58 | Area-51 | ;> |
| 05:50.05 | solomon | markybob: hehe yeah |
| 05:50.06 | Poprocks | hehe free music! |
| 05:50.09 | solomon | markybob: i still have to get his newest album |
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| 05:50.17 | Area-51 | Poprocks: since when did people start paying for it? :P |
| 05:50.18 | chealer | zamson: yes, that's probably the easiest way |
| 05:50.22 | solomon | markybob: in a few weeks i will have my computer upgrade |
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| 05:50.31 | Teresa21 | hi..there..how r u everybody_ |
| 05:50.39 | markybob | solomon, what's that look like? |
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| 05:50.54 | solomon | markybob: then i will rip my entire cd collection into FLAC and make batch scripts to encode into whatever ogg/mp3/etc. quality i want |
| 05:50.58 | sean_micken | i see there is a cdtools-doc package in testing, but where's cdrtools? |
| 05:51.02 | chealer | zamson: use su command to become root, then "cp sourcefile /etc/init.d/" |
| 05:51.13 | unoA | anyone here that can help me with scsi? |
| 05:51.16 | Poprocks | solomon, what do you use to rip, sound-juicer? |
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| 05:51.33 | markybob | Poprocks, i hope you're kidding. sound-juicer is pretty, but it also pretty much sucks. |
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| 05:51.46 | solomon | markybob: athlon 1800+ (yeah i know, but i got it from a friend for $20); msi mobo with a kt880 chipset, 1GB ram (512x2 dual channel), 250GB sata hd |
| 05:51.53 | Poprocks | markybob, I like it |
| 05:52.06 | markybob | Poprocks, yeah. i love not being able to control quality settings. |
| 05:52.10 | Poprocks | markybob, what do you use, cdparanoia through command line? |
| 05:52.16 | solomon | Poprocks: i made my own ripping script because all the ones i found don't use cdparanoia's batch mode |
| 05:52.25 | markybob | solomon, sounds great. |
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| 05:52.42 | WiFiTux | sleepy time! |
| 05:52.51 | Poprocks | well its defaults are sensible enough for me |
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| 05:56.08 | DebUser_ | When rebooting into Debian after installing the base with Sarge netinstall, you're presented with a list of types of systems you want installed. Desktop system is one... can anyone remember what the rest are? |
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| 05:56.17 | DebUser_ | I think there's a web server, and mail server... FTP? |
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| 05:59.43 | solomon | Poprocks: if you call cdparanoia seperately for every track, you have a slight chance of losing some data |
| 05:59.43 | solomon | markybob: better than what i have now... 30GB hd, k6-2/450 with sig11 problems, 256MB of pc100 |
| 05:59.43 | solomon | Poprocks: yeah.. lemme dig up a url.. |
| 05:59.47 | solomon | http://prettyspiffy.mine.nu:8080/rip http://prettyspiffy.mine.nu:8080/encode |
| 05:59.49 | solomon | those are my simple scripts |
| 05:59.55 | solomon | rip is run in $dir/rip while encode is run in the background in $dir |
| 05:59.57 | solomon | then i will use easytag to get the cddb data |
| 06:00.02 | solomon | and tag, rename, etc. |
| 06:00.06 | solomon | Poprocks: if you aren't anal like me, then use sound-juicer |
| 06:00.07 | solomon | Poprocks: if you are only a little anal, try jack |
| 06:00.11 | lawnchair | ZING! |
| 06:00.11 | solomon | Poprocks: abcde is good too |
| 06:00.12 | markybob | solomon, definitely. |
| 06:00.15 | solomon | markybob: i actually came in here to see if people thought ati mobo and gpu chipsets were a good call |
| 06:00.17 | solomon | markybob: i'm out of the loop a bit, computers are no longer my main dig |
| 06:00.22 | Guerin | solomon: stop |
| 06:00.31 | Guerin | solomon: wtf is wrong with you? |
| 06:00.33 | Poprocks | solomon, I'll try yours |
| 06:00.36 | markybob | solomon, what is? |
| 06:00.41 | chealer | DebUser_: run tasksel |
| 06:00.45 | susfour | markybob: what kind of gig are you looking for? |
| 06:00.48 | mwilson | Wouldn't ATi have to make motherboards, first? |
| 06:00.51 | Xenguy | guerby: stop what? |
| 06:01.01 | Xenguy | guerin: er, stop what? |
| 06:01.19 | solomon | Guerin: huh? |
| 06:01.29 | markybob | susfour, network admin in a local ISP is my main goal...i did that before i joined up. |
| 06:01.36 | Guerin | IU count 14 lines in one minute |
| 06:01.40 | Guerin | s/IU/I/ |
| 06:01.43 | solomon | markybob: what is what? |
| 06:01.55 | markybob | solomon, your main dig |
| 06:02.23 | Xenguy | whatever |
| 06:02.24 | Guerin | you either pasted them or you're hallishly lagged; either way, the problem solves itself if you use the enter key the way the gods intended - sparingly |
| 06:02.29 | solomon | Guerin: perhaps it call came in at once due to some connection thing |
| 06:02.42 | solomon | Guerin: yeah, i think i am lagged |
| 06:03.15 | solomon | markybob: lots of main gigs now i guess. guitar, music, god, soon a lot of volunteering with ems and with a relief org. |
| 06:03.35 | markybob | solomon, nice |
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| 06:03.45 | solomon | markybob: and i kinda have a social life now that didn't used to get in the way of my computing ;) |
| 06:03.47 | bbhill | can anyone recommend a good xvid viewer for debian? like for avis and etc |
| 06:03.50 | Xenguy | solomon: oh no, not god -- you probably gave up dope at the same time too ;-) |
| 06:04.00 | solomon | markybob: what are your digs? |
| 06:04.05 | solomon | s/main gigs/main digs/ |
| 06:04.30 | solomon | Xenguy: yeah now i only come to #debian to have theism debates ;) |
| 06:04.33 | markybob | solomon, you mean there's more to live than computers? :) i just got out, so i really havent had time to do much. |
| 06:04.43 | Poprocks | bbhill, mplayer? |
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| 06:04.49 | Xenguy | solomon: there are better places, true ;-) |
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| 06:05.16 | solomon | Xenguy: well when i was here a lot there was a God debate at least once a month :) |
| 06:05.20 | tdfc | kdevelop is crashing by default on sarge, where can i send the bug at ? |
| 06:05.34 | markybob | solomon, heh. remember the days of user Angel? and what was that guy's nick? Rahel? Rafel? |
| 06:05.45 | cafuego | tdfc: man reportbug |
| 06:05.58 | Xenguy | solomon: wish I was here too :-) |
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| 06:06.06 | solomon | markybob: no, i don't ;D |
| 06:06.09 | solomon | i remember some people |
| 06:06.18 | solomon | overfiend |
| 06:06.22 | cafuego | solomon: My mobo with integrated ATI controller and GPu seems to work fine. |
| 06:06.29 | cafuego | solomon: ... even 3D works with Xorg. |
| 06:06.37 | Guerin | itym rahul |
| 06:06.37 | solomon | cafuego: xorg? |
| 06:06.48 | markybob | solomon, wow. you really havent kept in touch ;) |
| 06:06.50 | cafuego | solomon: Forked version of X (license issues) |
| 06:07.00 | fanfic | whats the URL for Debian's Modules? |
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| 06:07.06 | Poprocks | yeah, XFree86 4.4 is no longer compatible with the GPL |
| 06:07.16 | cafuego | solomon: I'll end up in Debian after Sarge releases, probably. |
| 06:07.18 | Guerin | fanfic: good question. Why not sstart by telling us what Debian's Modules are? |
| 06:07.20 | solomon | cafuego: is xorg non-free or something? |
| 06:07.23 | solomon | Poprocks: really? |
| 06:07.29 | Guerin | !x in debian |
| 06:07.29 | dpkg | it has been said that x in debian is http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2004/debian-x-200403/msg03376.html (and follow-ups), or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml |
| 06:07.36 | solomon | cafuego: you mean It'll? |
| 06:07.38 | cafuego | solomon: No, xfree86 is ;-) |
| 06:07.42 | Guerin | solomon: read the last link above, courtesy of overfiend |
| 06:07.43 | fanfic | Guerin, howcome I'm the only one thats picked on lol |
| 06:07.50 | Guerin | fanfic: oh, you're not. |
| 06:07.59 | fanfic | Guerin, u do this alot? |
| 06:08.09 | cafuego | solomon: That said, 2D works fine on the ati chips. Xorg is buggy, sofar. |
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| 06:08.17 | Guerin | fanfic: do what? Ask people to disambiguate their questions? All the time. |
| 06:08.31 | bbhill | He was a jerk to me too! |
| 06:08.53 | fanfic | Guerin, fair enough! well i need the scsi ones since i have 2 scsi hard drives |
| 06:09.05 | Poprocks | I don't know why Xorg implemented the composite extension... it's slow as arse on like 99% of machines |
| 06:09.06 | markybob | i dont suppose anyone has a resume to show off? trying to brush the dust off of mine. |
| 06:09.12 | Guerin | fanfic: back up. What do you mean by 'Debian Modules'? |
| 06:09.35 | Poprocks | markybob, heh I wrote mine in LaTeX a while back but it's long gone ;-) |
| 06:09.37 | cafuego | Poprocks: You mean it's FAST on some machines? Wtf sort of hardware do those boxes have? |
| 06:09.39 | fanfic | Guerin, ah... well u got me there |
| 06:09.40 | Guerin | jobhunting it the worst thing ever |
| 06:09.47 | Poprocks | cafuego, nvidia cards, iirc |
| 06:09.55 | cafuego | Poprocks: Nope. |
| 06:10.07 | fanfic | Guerin, its just that i need them for the install since Debian can't pick up the HDD's |
| 06:10.12 | Poprocks | cafuego, with the RenderAccel enabled |
| 06:10.16 | cafuego | Poprocks: Unless it needs to be better then a 256MB 5700 FX |
| 06:10.25 | Guerin | fanfic: kernel modules, then. What kernel? |
| 06:10.33 | Poprocks | cafuego, well do you have renderaccel enabled on that? |
| 06:10.59 | cafuego | Yes, except these days I would require a 64bit Xorg. And I'm sure as hell not going to compile it. |
| 06:11.02 | glick | anyone install debian on a sun ultra 5 via serial console? |
| 06:11.10 | Poprocks | oh ok |
| 06:11.40 | tag | Okay time to try this stuff |
| 06:12.12 | fanfic | Guerin, it doesnt state what kernel, but having a guess, it would be the kernel needed for scsi devices |
| 06:12.24 | debian | cafuego: or you got some pretty background so that yu need to look at it all the time? |
| 06:12.27 | cafuego | 38.0°C |
| 06:12.41 | Guerin | fanfic: when installing, what do you type? vanilla, idepci, bf24, or what? |
| 06:12.43 | cafuego | debian: Yeah, some really pretty shade of blue. |
| 06:13.08 | debian | cafuego: you just can't resist that shade of blue |
| 06:13.08 | cafuego | susfour: My $2 watch also has a quartz engine. |
| 06:13.21 | susfour | cafuego: lol |
| 06:13.37 | cafuego | Guerin: Dinner? |
| 06:13.38 | fanfic | Guerin, i dont type anything!!! it just boots of the CD and i go past the keyboard stage, blah blah |
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| 06:14.30 | solomon | hmm |
| 06:14.30 | solomon | so what is in sid, and what is going to be in sid in the future? |
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| 06:14.34 | solomon | markybob: i think i still have my latex one |
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| 06:14.42 | solomon | markybob: http://prettyspiffy.mine.nu:8080/resume.tex |
| 06:14.44 | solomon | that should work |
| 06:14.46 | solomon | oh god, i'm lagging again |
| 06:15.04 | Poprocks | solomon, 404 |
| 06:15.06 | debian | solomon: mind if I ping you? |
| 06:15.13 | markybob | solomon, thanks. probably because the entire channel's on your site ;) |
| 06:15.29 | Poprocks | hehe |
| 06:15.35 | Poprocks | it's getting a #Debianning |
| 06:15.45 | chealer | solomon: sid will always have the most bleeding edge packages |
| 06:16.32 | solomon | chealer: but what are the bleeding edge packages? |
| 06:16.44 | Poprocks | uh... lots of stuff :) |
| 06:16.44 | solomon | chealer: i don't really get what Xorg is aside from just a version that is more free |
| 06:16.53 | Poprocks | gaim went 1.0 a while ago as you probablyknow |
| 06:16.56 | solomon | chealer: did they just take out the really good stuff that was non-free? :) |
| 06:17.09 | fanfic | Guerin: ? |
| 06:17.24 | markybob | solomon, most distributions are siding with xorg...so that's where most of the community will be focused on |
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| 06:17.36 | mxmasster | hi all |
| 06:17.50 | Poprocks | I hope Debian's Xorg will be as fast as its XFree 4.3 is |
| 06:18.02 | mxmasster | i am looking for an application to open a console port to conect to a serial device |
| 06:18.04 | solomon | markybob: the resume.tex link should work now |
| 06:18.07 | mxmasster | on freebsd i use tip |
| 06:18.16 | markybob | solomon, it did, thanks. |
| 06:18.18 | mxmasster | is there something similar i can install? |
| 06:18.37 | solomon | markybob: i am not completely sure that is a working version and stuff, but it's the only version i have preserved :) |
| 06:18.58 | chealer | solomon: I just meant the most up-to-date. http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 06:19.28 | glick | excuse me in the beginning when i installed debian it asked me to auto detect ps mice |
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| 06:19.35 | Poprocks | I love how LaTeX documents look |
| 06:19.37 | glick | i selected no |
| 06:19.43 | glick | and now my touchpad doesnt work |
| 06:19.51 | glick | how can i make it auto detect my mouse again? |
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| 06:20.06 | solomon | markybob: oh that is old. but it is ok. it produced http://prettyspiffy.mine.nu:8080/resume.pdf |
| 06:20.20 | Plork | hi guys, can anyone recommend a good calendar / organiser / reminder program for gnome that runs in the background and pops up a little box to remind me of my appointments ? any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 06:20.29 | markybob | solomon, sweet deal |
| 06:20.33 | solomon | chealer: ah, i was only confused about X :) |
| 06:21.11 | solomon | i am so glad that i don't want computer jobs anymore |
| 06:21.17 | solomon | i don't have to have so much stupid bs in my resume |
| 06:21.35 | Poprocks | glick, not too sure, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:21.35 | chealer | !tell solomon about xorg |
| 06:21.44 | jm_ | Plork: tkremind, but it's not in Sarge |
| 06:21.55 | Poprocks | solomon, maybe you should cut it down to 1 page |
| 06:21.56 | solomon | "Proficient in the use of MacOS, MS-DOS, Windows 3.x, 9x, NT, Linux, and other Unix systems (Debian GNU/Linux, Redhat Linux, Slackware, BSDI)" |
| 06:22.16 | Plork | jm_ thanx i can download it |
| 06:22.23 | bbhill | "Proficient in all forms of marijuana acquisition and consumption" |
| 06:22.36 | solomon | Poprocks: i don't really need it now anyway. i will probably keep my unchallenging data entry job for an eternity |
| 06:22.49 | Poprocks | solomon, hehe |
| 06:22.50 | solomon | Poprocks: it's usps and so i will probably be able to retire on it if i want :) |
| 06:22.57 | jm_ | Plork: yes, you can get the version that's in Woody |
| 06:23.14 | debian | solomon: s/in the use/administering/ |
| 06:23.24 | jm_ | hehe, government jobs are always the safest |
| 06:23.38 | polok | except in a country where the government might be toppled |
| 06:23.40 | polok | >:) |
| 06:24.07 | solomon | bbhill: :) |
| 06:24.43 | jm_ | well I guess it depends on what your position is, but yeah - there's alaways some bizarre thing that can happen |
| 06:24.43 | markybob | jbm josh? |
| 06:24.53 | Plork | jm_, do u use tkremind ? i.e. is it any good ? |
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| 06:25.17 | solomon | is nvidia still to be avoided as the plague? |
| 06:25.19 | tag | so much for that idea |
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| 06:25.23 | tag | my new kernel didn't even boot |
| 06:25.26 | tag | that was friggin annoying |
| 06:25.30 | solomon | i had a geforce 4 mx and i hated it so much i went back to my voodoo banshee |
| 06:25.41 | juanhhh | hiiiiiii!!! |
| 06:25.48 | tag | and now my IRDA is no longer working as well. |
| 06:25.49 | tag | fuq |
| 06:25.53 | jm_ | Plork: I use it - it has all the features I need |
| 06:26.07 | jm_ | solomon: not as much as ATI |
| 06:26.15 | juanhhh | aca son todos unos balassss!! |
| 06:26.26 | bbhill | la concha de tu madreeee |
| 06:26.26 | Plork | jm_, thanx buddy - i'll download it now |
| 06:26.30 | solomon | jm_: huh? you mean ati sucks more than nvidia?? |
| 06:26.41 | Xenguy | Plork: there's kalarm also, but not sure it will do all you want |
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| 06:26.42 | solomon | jm_: i was thinking i ought to buy ati since it is their closes competitor |
| 06:26.44 | jm_ | solomon: their cards are OK, but the driver sucks donkey balls |
| 06:26.50 | chealer | solomon: nvidia is pretty good. of course, it's non-free |
| 06:26.53 | Plork | xenguy, i use gnome |
| 06:26.57 | solomon | jm_: you mean their free driver? |
| 06:26.57 | juanhhh | ah....porque te calentas....bala |
| 06:27.02 | Plork | xenguy: and I don't want it to get in the way |
| 06:27.03 | jm_ | solomon: no, it's not free |
| 06:27.06 | solomon | jm_: does it suck more than the free nvidia drivers? |
| 06:27.12 | solomon | jm_: so i have to go non-free no matter what?? |
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| 06:27.19 | solomon | jm_: i thought things were better off than that these days :( |
| 06:27.20 | chealer | solomon: the free nvidia driver doesn't do 3d |
| 06:27.25 | jm_ | solomon: yes, if you want all the features you have to go non-free route with both |
| 06:27.39 | Xenguy | Plork: you can use the apps without installing KDE (I run neither Gnome or KDE, but I enjoy their apps :-) |
| 06:27.42 | solomon | jm_: are there any other options? |
| 06:27.51 | markybob | solomon, i've had a great experience with my nvidia geforce 6800 with their non-free driver. |
| 06:27.52 | solomon | jm_: oh, and how about mobo chipsets? same situation? |
| 06:28.16 | solomon | markybob: i sure did hate the driver when i had the 4 mx, but perhaps it's better now |
| 06:28.17 | juanhhh | algun otro bala presente? |
| 06:28.36 | juanhhh | aparte de bbhill |
| 06:28.44 | solomon | is there at least a free 2D ati driver? |
| 06:29.01 | solomon | maybe i should just keep my banshee >=( |
| 06:29.31 | juanhhh | banshee=monster fusion? |
| 06:29.51 | juanhhh | solomon |
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| 06:29.59 | juanhhh | ? |
| 06:30.14 | solomon | juanhhh: huh? banshee = voodoo banshee, just shy of a voodoo 3 |
| 06:30.17 | jm_ | solomon: there is 2D driver, but you have to check which hardware it supports (it certainly doesn't support new cards) - as for motherboards, nforce has always been a bitch, but apparently there are drivers for some parts now (SATA, audio, ethernet) |
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| 06:30.42 | Poprocks | solomon, for radeon 9250 and below there is DRI and 2d |
| 06:30.47 | Poprocks | for most others there's 2d |
| 06:30.52 | jm_ | markybob: you have 6800? nice |
| 06:31.00 | The_Vulture | no |
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| 06:31.10 | solomon | jm_: i was thinking of via kt880 chipeset for my mobo |
| 06:31.14 | markybob | jm_, yes. had to get it for doom 3. i know that's sad, but it's true. |
| 06:31.42 | Poprocks | the only 3d game I play is tuxracer ;-) |
| 06:31.54 | jm_ | solomon: I am not sure what I will buy sometime this year, it depends on how good it's supported by Linux - VIA has always had decent support, but maybe it's best to avoid their early versions |
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| 06:32.14 | neenee | morning |
| 06:32.16 | Orcrist | if I want a program that only comes in .rpm, how do I go about installing that on debian? |
| 06:32.17 | solomon | jm_: that is their very latest pre-athlon64 chipset |
| 06:32.21 | jm_ | markybob: hehe, I played it with ti4200, it was a tad slow a few times |
| 06:32.29 | solomon | Poprocks: i might go for 9250, since it is cheap |
| 06:32.36 | markybob | solomon, i've also had a great experience with nforce 3 |
| 06:32.36 | solomon | Poprocks: i don't need anything huge |
| 06:32.41 | markybob | jm_, :) |
| 06:32.43 | Poprocks | dpkg, tell Orcrist about alien |
| 06:32.47 | juanhhh | quiero ser op |
| 06:32.52 | obtix | what and where is acpi/thermal.ko in the kernel? |
| 06:32.55 | chealer | solomon: nforce2 works out of the box on sarge. nvaudio is free and there's the free forcedeth alternative to proprietary nvnet |
| 06:32.55 | jm_ | solomon: yes, that shall be fine, I'll go with Athlon64 since I already have XP now with VIA chipset |
| 06:32.57 | obtix | kernel 2.6 |
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| 06:33.00 | solomon | markybob: i am so over nvidia, though |
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| 06:33.03 | Poprocks | solomon, I have a 9250, works awesome |
| 06:33.16 | markybob | solomon, sucks that they're the best. ;) |
| 06:33.19 | Orcrist | ty |
| 06:33.54 | obtix | bah nevermind |
| 06:33.54 | Poprocks | ATi's Canadian so I feel the need to support them ;-) |
| 06:34.00 | solomon | markybob: sucks that via doesn't make competitive gpu's too :) |
| 06:34.14 | solomon | jm_: yeah, i'm upgrading from k6-2/450 to athlon 1800+ |
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| 06:34.58 | solomon | jm_: i figured i'll get the best via chipset mobo i can find for it and 512x2 of dual-channel RAM, and then upgrade the cpu later |
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| 06:35.18 | solomon | jm_: since the cpu is probably the most likely to get a lot cheaper later :) |
| 06:35.18 | Poprocks | I need to replace my L2 cache somehow >:( |
| 06:35.51 | jimb_ | Anyone have experience with Debian/Sarge CD/Net install? Mine is hanging |
| 06:35.52 | debian | solomon: get a dual mobo |
| 06:35.55 | chealer | solomon: nforce2 works out of the box on kernel 2.6 |
| 06:35.58 | h|barbobot | with magic |
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| 06:36.36 | solomon | debian: idunno.. does via have a chipset for those? |
| 06:36.43 | solomon | debian: and are they way way more expensive? |
| 06:36.51 | chealer | h|barbobot: what do you mean... |
| 06:37.02 | debian | solomon: not really, dunno about via though |
| 06:37.12 | chealer | jimb_: where is it hanging? |
| 06:37.13 | h|barbobot | nothing chealer |
| 06:37.18 | h|barbobot | nothing |
| 06:37.32 | jm_ | solomon: hmm you'll only get up to 2800 with it, that CPU costs about $140 here |
| 06:38.03 | jimb_ | At the language screen. I have booted the lastes Knoppix from CD and need to use noacpi acip=off. This doesn't work here though. |
| 06:38.17 | solomon | jm_: |
| 06:38.19 | solomon | whoops |
| 06:38.34 | h|barbobot | chealer, it was a joke from an earlier comment i couldnt type fast enough |
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| 06:38.53 | solomon | jm_: the msi board i'm looking at getting says it supports "up to Athlon XP 3200+ processor or higher speed", "266/333/400MHz FSB" |
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| 06:39.20 | chealer | jimb_: no idea, but check the 2nd console for a clue (ctrl alt F2) |
| 06:39.23 | hairy_potter | Yahoo! is about to release their Search API |
| 06:39.25 | jm_ | solomon: yes, but Athlons XP are no longer made, although you may still find them in some shops I guess |
| 06:39.34 | solomon | jm_: and i already got this 1800+ from a friend for $20 :) |
| 06:39.35 | debian | solomon: up to something or higher, what does it mean. :) |
| 06:39.51 | jimb_ | It's dead at that point I have to power down with the power button to restart. |
| 06:39.55 | solomon | debian: probably means that was the fastest processor out at the time the spec was written |
| 06:39.59 | fanfic | u know the 10meg partition that goes at the start of the hdd, what fs type is it? |
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| 06:40.30 | chealer | jimb_: check the console and what appears before it freezes |
| 06:40.50 | jimb_ | Sure wish the other distros would follow Knoppix. It is so good, I didn't need any extra options booting from the HD. I'm just trying the Debian to rebuild ndiswrapper for my wifi card. |
| 06:40.59 | debian | solomon: May be, but I'll not risk it. I burnt my dual mobo and two MP the first day I bought them |
| 06:41.13 | solomon | jm_: i'm hoping pricewatch will still guide me to one when i want it :) right now it shows XP 3200 400 fsb for $124 |
| 06:41.18 | Poprocks | jimb_, if it's so good, then why don't you use it? |
| 06:41.24 | jimb_ | There is no time. I've tried the degug modes with no succes either. |
| 06:41.30 | solomon | debian: how'd you do that? |
| 06:41.42 | chealer | jm_: they don't do XPs anymore?...so what do they do? |
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| 06:41.52 | solomon | debian: i guess it doesn't matter much whether i can go higher though because that's the highest that the XP ever went :) |
| 06:41.58 | jm_ | solomon: I think they'll run out of stock pretty fast because it's the best choice in low-end market |
| 06:42.01 | solomon | chealer: 64 |
| 06:42.03 | jm_ | chealer: Semprons |
| 06:42.03 | debian | solomon: how'd I manage to accompanish that? Yeah, I'm going to put that accomplishment in my resume. :) |
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| 06:42.23 | jm_ | chealer: which are very similar to XP-s, but with less cache and some other modifications |
| 06:42.30 | debian | solomon: what else, wrong jumper setting. power on and you get the smell that you'd never forget in my lifetime |
| 06:42.35 | Plork | jm_ : I found a nice plugin for gkrellm that seems to do the job, just in case u were interested - it comes with sarge too |
| 06:42.37 | Poprocks | debian, hehee |
| 06:42.42 | chealer | jm_: yeah...well you're surprising me |
| 06:42.42 | solomon | oh sempron huh? is it 32bit? |
| 06:42.48 | chealer | yes |
| 06:42.51 | jm_ | Plork: ahh yes, I tried that too, but it doesn't have all the features of tkremind |
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| 06:43.08 | Poprocks | debian, did you purposely like try to overclock it or something? or was it by accident |
| 06:43.15 | debian | Poprocks: burning cpus are like popcorn on hot iron. just less sweeter |
| 06:43.17 | Plork | jm_, that's cool - i just need a really simple one :) |
| 06:43.19 | solomon | debian: I really hope that I don't manage to do that :) |
| 06:43.22 | jimb_ | Poprocks, ndiswrapper doesn't work. I can't find source for the 2.6.7 kernel and am not able to rebuild the latest ndiswrapper. |
| 06:43.29 | debian | Poprocks: no overclock, just plain wrong setting |
| 06:43.44 | fanfic | can anyone please tell me what fs type the 5-10meg is |
| 06:43.49 | solomon | jm_: so the sempron is slower than the XP? but they make sempron and not XP? |
| 06:43.49 | debian | solomon: luckily for me, AMD reseller have them replaced them without question |
| 06:43.51 | fanfic | partition* |
| 06:43.55 | Poprocks | jimb_, why don't you use a newer kernel? |
| 06:44.10 | debian | solomon: regardless of the fact that I bought two charcoal asking for replacement |
| 06:44.28 | solomon | debian: lucky :) |
| 06:44.38 | jm_ | solomon: yes, Semprons are a replacement for Durons - then there's Sempron 3100, which is based on Athlon64 with 64bit extensions disabled - to make the story more complicated ;) |
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| 06:44.57 | mwilson | How can someone claim they can't find source for a 2.6.7 kernel? |
| 06:45.00 | debian | solomon: they should have asked how did I manage to burn them like this, they just frowned. :) |
| 06:45.14 | jimb_ | Poprocks, I'm just not familiar enough yet. I did get source for a 2.6.7 kernel but when trying to build, make complained about not being able to find source files and autoconf. Newbie stuff. |
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| 06:45.41 | Poprocks | jimb_, I find that the easiest way to compile modules is to install the "kernel-headers" package that corresponds to your kernel |
| 06:45.55 | Poprocks | jimb_, from there it should work automagically, and you don't even need to install the whole source |
| 06:46.12 | debian | jm_: that's to say, they brand those 64bit chips failed the quality test 'Semprons'? |
| 06:46.22 | jm_ | debian: no |
| 06:46.28 | jimb_ | mwilson, go to debian and you'll find 2.6.4 and 2.6.8, no 2.6.7 |
| 06:47.03 | Spiff[{Man}] | have someone compiled kernel 2.6.10 in debian? |
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| 06:47.47 | jimb_ | Poprocks, That's where I started but I couldn't find source at Knoppix nor ad debian. The 2.6.7 I did find failed as mentioned earlier. |
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| 06:48.13 | jm_ | Spiff[{Man}]: many people have |
| 06:48.32 | Poprocks | jimb_, so what are you in now, knoppix or debian? and what version |
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| 06:48.40 | Spiff[{Man}] | jm: all i need is the source from kernel.org.. right? |
| 06:48.47 | zamson | i get permission denied even when logged in as root in the terminal. trying to access /etc/network/options |
| 06:48.55 | zamson | any ideas? |
| 06:49.01 | jimb_ | Poprocks, I'm in knoppix 3.6 Kernel .6.7 |
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| 06:50.08 | jm_ | Spiff[{Man}]: that's one option, another is to use kernel-image from this site : http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-image-2.6.10-i386/ |
| 06:50.15 | Poprocks | jimb_, are you using the debian repos? I've never used knoppix |
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| 06:50.47 | obtix | how do i check my current kernel image? i need to do a "dpkg --purge OLD-KERNEL" but i forget what that old kernel is and the format to type it on this older system |
| 06:51.14 | Spiff[{Man}] | jm: those images are safe to use? |
| 06:51.22 | solomon | should i spend an extra $40 to get sata/150 instead of just sata |
| 06:51.31 | solomon | on a 250G 7200 rpm drige |
| 06:51.33 | solomon | drive |
| 06:51.34 | jm_ | Spiff[{Man}]: well I always compile my own kernel, it's up to you to decide |
| 06:51.41 | jimb_ | Poprocks, I tried the Sarge CD/net install. In the past I've been able to boot but not this time. I tried expert, various debug modes and all hang at the lanquage prompt. Tried turning off frame buffer, set vga=vga16 etc. not luck. |
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| 06:52.07 | chealer | obtix: uname -a ? |
| 06:52.54 | Spiff[{Man}] | hmm |
| 06:53.28 | obtix | chealer: bah that didnt work... this is an old system that has been just installed it has the 2.2.20 kernel from the installation on it - how do i remove that one for my new kernel image? |
| 06:53.36 | Spiff[{Man}] | jm: When one compile things in the kernel as modules... the general kernel size grows....? |
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| 06:54.12 | chealer | obtix: currently you don't need to remove your old kernel with grub, but I don't know how it was years ago |
| 06:54.29 | Spiff[{Man}] | . |
| 06:54.31 | obtix | chealer: im using lilo.. does that make a difference? |
| 06:54.54 | chealer | obtix: probably not |
| 06:55.16 | obtix | chealer: but i know on my system i have to remove my old kernel before i install my new one |
| 06:55.18 | jm_ | Spiff[{Man}]: no, that means kernel image gets smaller |
| 06:55.45 | jimb_ | Poprocks, is there a better channel to try for support with the Debian CD/Net install? |
| 06:56.36 | jm_ | jimb_: #debian-boot |
| 06:56.48 | Spiff[{Man}] | jm: ok.. i tried to compile my kernel.. but there is so much to select... is almost like taking a collage final exam... |
| 06:56.56 | jm_ | Spiff[{Man}]: heh |
| 06:57.26 | chealer | obtix: ok, I don't think I can help then. surely someone else can |
| 06:57.29 | mlewis00 | obtix: dpkg -l kernel-image* |
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| 07:01.39 | mlewis00 | obtix: The answer to your original question I believe :-) |
| 07:01.52 | zamson | any ideas? |
| 07:01.54 | obtix | mlewis00: i don't think that helped |
| 07:01.56 | zamson | i get permission denied even when logged in as root in the terminal. trying to access /etc/network/options |
| 07:02.09 | obtix | i just installed my new kernel and rebooted my system and 2.2.20 still loaded from the debian cd haha wow |
| 07:02.18 | obtix | i wish i had network access |
| 07:02.31 | mlewis00 | obtix: You asked "how do i check my current kernel image?" right? |
| 07:02.47 | CSWookie | zamson: What are the pers on the file? |
| 07:02.54 | CSWookie | zamson: perms, rather? |
| 07:03.13 | obtix | mlewis00: kinda... i just installed a new debian installation on a computer with out network, debian installed the 2.2.20-idepci kernel and i need to remove that so i can install the 2.6.10 kernel i just made |
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| 07:03.48 | dnl | obtix: you don't need to remove the old kernel first. In fact, you definately shouldn't. |
| 07:03.59 | zamson | cswookie cant change any perm just says owner root etc |
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| 07:04.42 | obtix | dnl: so how come when i just did "dpkg -i new_kernel.deb" and it installed correctly when i rebooted i got some module errors but still the older kernel |
| 07:04.43 | CSWookie | zamson: Even as root you can't change the perms? Yikes. |
| 07:04.57 | mlewis00 | obtix: If you do 'dpkg -l kernel-image*' it will list the kernel image that is installed by the name of the package and then you can feed that name to dpkg -P, right? |
| 07:05.17 | chealer | zamson: do you know chmod? |
| 07:05.21 | zamson | cswookie nope its says that owner can read/write but accessing the file from the terminal still gives me an error |
| 07:05.30 | dnl | obtix: what boot manager are you using? lilo? |
| 07:05.35 | obtix | dnl: yes... |
| 07:05.52 | dnl | obtix: did you edit lilo.conf and rerun lilo? |
| 07:05.55 | zamson | chealer no not really, im new to linux - trying to get routing to work |
| 07:06.04 | obtix | mlewis00: when i do the dpkg -l kernel-image it just says "kernel-image" |
| 07:06.08 | CSWookie | zamson: Weird. I dunno. |
| 07:06.08 | obtix | dnl: yes i did |
| 07:06.23 | chealer | zamson: what gives ls -l /etc/network/options ? |
| 07:06.39 | mlewis00 | obtix: Did you include the trailing '*'? |
| 07:06.40 | dnl | obtix: and you're sure that you're selecting the correct image on bootup? It makes no sense that it would just use an older kernel. |
| 07:07.03 | zamson | chealer -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45 Jan 10 23:57 /etc/network/options |
| 07:07.14 | obtix | dnl: there are no other images... im getting a little confused though - i never had this problem |
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| 07:07.31 | chealer | zamson: that's fine, and what commands says you have permission denied? |
| 07:07.50 | zamson | chealer /etc/network/options |
| 07:08.02 | dnl | obtix: so you deleted the old kernel... yet it keeps booting?? |
| 07:08.10 | chealer | zamson: it's a file, what are you trying to do with it, and how? |
| 07:08.17 | chealer | (which command) |
| 07:08.28 | zamson | chealer i want to change a setting in the file |
| 07:08.30 | obtix | dnl: no, i didnt delete it... i want to but i don't know what to type: dpkg --purge ??? |
| 07:09.00 | dnl | obtix: you shouldn't delete the old kernel. You may then find yourself unable to boot at all. |
| 07:09.21 | chealer | zamson: so you can use vi or nano, like # nano /etc/network/options |
| 07:09.33 | obtix | dnl: if i mess up i start over.. id rather delete it that way has worked for me in the past |
| 07:09.40 | zamson | chealer i'll try it...whats nano? |
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| 07:09.56 | chealer | it's a text editor that works in a console |
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| 07:10.30 | dnl | obtix:: try double checking your lilo configuration. Deleting it won't do anything. |
| 07:10.34 | mlewis00 | obtix: If 'dpkg -l kernel-image*' (note the '*') doesn't show a kernel image installed then I would think that it isn't installed correctly or something. |
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| 07:11.21 | zamson | chealer it seems to work how do i save and exit nano? |
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| 07:11.37 | neenee | ctrl+x |
| 07:11.39 | obtix | mlewis00: ok.. i didnt see the "*" uhm.. there are three listed there |
| 07:11.43 | neenee | the keys are at the bottom |
| 07:11.51 | obtix | mlewis00: one is my new one on the bottom of the list |
| 07:12.09 | zamson | chealer ty! |
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| 07:13.15 | Zap-W | which is likely to be less cpu intensive Realtek RTL8139D 10/100Mbps PCI Network Card or an old 3Com 3C905C EtherLink |
| 07:13.18 | mlewis00 | obtix: Then I would think that the problem is with your LILO configuration but I haven't used LILO for so long that I don't remember exactly how to reconfigure it. |
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| 07:14.15 | obtix | mlewis00: i don't mind switching to grub or anything... would that make it easier? |
| 07:15.04 | mlewis00 | obtix: Grub is easier for me... |
| 07:15.25 | obtix | mlewis00: anything special to switch to it? or just apt-get install grub? |
| 07:15.38 | Poprocks | you don't have to run grub every time you change the friggin menu.lst which is a good thing (tm) |
| 07:16.03 | PoonJ | hey guys..I have SSH access to my box and I want to enable X11 forwarding... |
| 07:16.11 | PoonJ | is there anyway to get it to work without exceed? |
| 07:16.19 | obtix | mlewis00: uhoh, kernel panic haha |
| 07:16.44 | Poprocks | PoonJ, /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 07:16.48 | directhex | boo, and indeed yah. i have net access on my palm via bluetooth via my linux desktop |
| 07:16.55 | mlewis00 | obtix: Not really sure...I've always used Grub from the beginning of the installation...never done an install from apt-get but I think it should work without a problem. |
| 07:17.09 | PoonJ | Poprocks: I did do that, I enabled it in putty as well |
| 07:17.22 | PoonJ | Poprocks: but when I try to run an X program.. |
| 07:17.24 | Poprocks | PoonJ, and you did ssh -X -C whatever to access it? |
| 07:17.28 | Poprocks | oh in putty |
| 07:17.32 | PoonJ | yeah.. |
| 07:17.39 | Poprocks | do you have a local X server running on the client machine? |
| 07:17.41 | mlewis00 | obtix: Debian is generally good that way...i.e. if something won't work it usually tells you before you get too far into it. |
| 07:17.56 | PoonJ | no...I don't have exceed... |
| 07:18.05 | PoonJ | would you know of an alternative program or something like that for it to work? |
| 07:18.06 | Poprocks | oh I see, I didn't know what that was |
| 07:18.11 | obtix | mlewis00: wow, i just saved my system thanks to still having my old kernel |
| 07:18.15 | Poprocks | I usually just install cygwin & XFree |
| 07:18.26 | PoonJ | cygwin? |
| 07:18.27 | obtix | mlewis00: how do i figure out why it paniced, said something about my filesystem |
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| 07:18.30 | PoonJ | is that free? |
| 07:18.31 | mlewis00 | obtix: I think that's why someone mentioned that :-) |
| 07:18.37 | Poprocks | PoonJ, it's like a linux-like environment for windows, yeah it's free |
| 07:18.50 | Poprocks | you can use ssh from there too, if you like, just as you would in linux |
| 07:18.55 | mlewis00 | obtix: Did you compile the file system drivers into the kernel? |
| 07:19.09 | Poprocks | I can't live on Windows without cygwin ;-) |
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| 07:19.24 | PoonJ | Poprocks: the install is only 256k? |
| 07:19.35 | PoonJ | pj |
| 07:19.35 | obtix | mlewis00: im going to check.. ill be back in a few min like me see if i can figure this out thanks for your help so far ! |
| 07:19.38 | PoonJ | oh, its a netrelease |
| 07:19.39 | PoonJ | :) |
| 07:19.40 | Poprocks | PoonJ, it's very modular, you download what you like using the setup thingy |
| 07:19.45 | Poprocks | right :-) |
| 07:19.59 | mlewis00 | obtix: No problem... |
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| 07:20.25 | PoonJ | thanks p2-mate |
| 07:20.28 | PoonJ | Poprocks |
| 07:20.30 | PoonJ | I mean! |
| 07:20.45 | Poprocks | heh |
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| 07:21.57 | mlewis00 | Can someone tell me why the output of 'id' would be different when run as a user (without any parameters) and by the same user with his username as the parameter? |
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| 07:22.07 | GT420 | Can someone recommend a good deb tool to use to set up networking on my dbox? |
| 07:22.50 | jm_ | GT420: use your favourite editor and man interfaces |
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| 07:23.09 | neenee | bbl. |
| 07:23.19 | GT420 | I want to set up NAT for my home network |
| 07:23.22 | directhex | what's the correct way to run a little script at startup? (enable /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward and add a couple of masquerade rules to iptables) |
| 07:23.24 | jm_ | mlewis00: it can happen if you haven't logged out and back in again when adding yourself to a group for example |
| 07:23.44 | jm_ | directhex|work: correct way for IPv4 forwarding is to dit /etc/network/options |
| 07:23.52 | jm_ | directhex ^^^^^ |
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| 07:24.02 | terja | anyone know ? |
| 07:24.04 | terja | oops |
| 07:24.08 | mlewis00 | jm_: Hmmm, so I would have to completely log out of all logins on the system? |
| 07:24.31 | jm_ | mlewis00: either that or use newgrp command |
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| 07:24.56 | terja | i just got debian installed its working ok, but every time i try to load xwindows i get a black screen, as if the monitor was off, i believe my video card or monitor are not configured correctly, but i dont know the command in debian to reconfigure xwindows, anyone know ? |
| 07:25.29 | mlewis00 | jm_: Thanks, I'll try that... |
| 07:25.37 | directhex | jm_, and the iptables rules? |
| 07:25.52 | directhex | terja, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:26.09 | jm_ | directhex: I use pre-up command in interfaces file, or pppd's similar feature |
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| 07:27.03 | terja | ty |
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| 07:27.32 | directhex | jm_, i feel it's more pppd's job than anyone elses in this situ, i'll take a look at work. thanks. |
| 07:28.03 | jm_ | directhex: yeah, it's simple with pppd, just stick it in its ip-up.d dir |
| 07:28.11 | PoonJ | Poprocks: how long does it usually take? |
| 07:28.47 | Poprocks | PoonJ, what, installing cygwin? |
| 07:28.55 | PoonJ | yeah |
| 07:29.03 | PoonJ | it looks like a full fledged instal |
| 07:29.06 | Poprocks | not that long... depends on the mirrors you choose though, I guess |
| 07:29.31 | mlewis00 | jm_: Thanks, the 'sg' command worked :) |
| 07:29.31 | dark_light | hey, the php5 isn't on debian yet? |
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| 07:31.25 | directhex | !info php5 experimental |
| 07:31.41 | directhex | no? bah. |
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| 07:33.14 | tzafrir | hi, any idea where can I ask about hardware support of various free EDA tools (e.g: geda) ? |
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| 07:34.15 | albano | is a dead pixel supposed to look like a piece of dirt on the screen? |
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| 07:34.49 | tzafrir | albano, usually like a black pixel |
| 07:34.52 | ApEtc | albano: On LCD displays, dead pixels either don't turn on or are forever stuck a certain color |
| 07:35.02 | ApEtc | albano: dead/bad, I should say |
| 07:35.35 | albano | this is a faded-black spot |
| 07:35.44 | albano | like a piece of dirt, but i cannot make it move |
| 07:35.50 | albano | it is in there, bastard that it is |
| 07:36.05 | Poprocks | yay netscape 4 runs! |
| 07:36.31 | albano | is it possible to create such a problem if you clean your lcd with too much fluid? |
| 07:36.39 | albano | did i perhaps short it out? |
| 07:37.09 | albano | i read that some transistors or display elements may short out because the plastic coating is semi-porous or something. |
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| 07:37.37 | albano | if you are not careful to use only a very minimal amount of fluid, if any. |
| 07:37.47 | jm_ | Poprocks: why wouldn't it work? |
| 07:38.26 | Poprocks | jm_, old, obsolete libs? |
| 07:38.48 | glick | the debian installer should let you choose when you choose a desktop installation between kde or gnome |
| 07:38.51 | glick | and not install both |
| 07:39.27 | sussudio | !seen bunnies |
| 07:39.27 | dpkg | bunnies <suss@sussudio.user> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 123d 13h 25m 56s ago, saying: '!canucksmite ratsnet12340'. |
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| 07:39.55 | Zap-W | when does the kernel decide to use swap space ? when there is x percent of ram left free? |
| 07:40.26 | albano | is a dead pixel in the middle of the screen a good reason to return a unit for another? |
| 07:41.16 | simonrvn | i've seen some people do so |
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| 07:41.49 | simonrvn | sussudio: thinking of pulling out bunnies again? :) |
| 07:42.09 | sussudio | testing for public !seen scripts. |
| 07:42.16 | simonrvn | i see |
| 07:42.39 | solomon | !seen carabu |
| 07:42.40 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'carabu', solomon |
| 07:42.43 | albano | does a privacy filter cut off the viewing angle for the user of the machine? |
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| 07:43.10 | albano | on an lcd, i mean. |
| 07:43.18 | albano | because my view angle is already not so wide. |
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| 07:44.57 | mick_laptop | i'm looking for a good (stable) XUL rendering engine for java that is Moz-compatible |
| 07:45.08 | mick_laptop | anyone mess with sulu? (http://sulu.sourceforge.net/) |
| 07:45.18 | mick_laptop | i ask about stability since... i once made the mistake of using wxWidgets... :) wxPython is soooo damn buggy - you wouldn't believe it |
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| 07:47.12 | jm_ | Poprocks: it still works fine for me |
| 07:47.21 | albano | can i get a 13.3" protective screen without privacy filtration? |
| 07:47.33 | albano | for a notebook |
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| 07:50.49 | obtix | ok, new kernel when i boot i get this error "Cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1)" "Please append a correct "root=" boot option" but in my lilo.conf my root= is correct - should i just suck it up and switch to lilo? |
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| 07:51.23 | tzafrir | obtix, you've just built a new kernel? |
| 07:51.35 | obtix | tzafrir: yes sir... |
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| 07:52.03 | b33r | anyone familiar with shorewall? |
| 07:52.05 | tzafrir | either create an initrd for it or make sure IDE (and PCI IDE ) support is in |
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| 07:52.19 | jm_ | obtix: /msg dpkg norootfs |
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| 07:52.28 | tzafrir | I think dpkg should have something about this. |
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| 07:52.39 | BROKEN_LADDER | apt-get dist-upgrade just overwrote gaim-1.1.1 with gaim 1.0.0. how do i stop it from doing such idiotic things in the future? |
| 07:52.50 | joker71 | hey if I want to compile stuff from source what pkgs do I need? |
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| 07:53.13 | clojster | anyone know whats wrong? I'm updating my slocate database and I get "invalid access to FAT" errors all the time... |
| 07:53.17 | sussudio | BROKEN_LADDER: capsboy, do you see the topic where it says UBUNTU IS OFF-TOPIC? |
| 07:53.32 | BROKEN_LADDER | i said apt-get |
| 07:53.37 | BROKEN_LADDER | i didn't say anything about ubuntu. |
| 07:53.43 | sussudio | and i said ubuntu off-topic |
| 07:53.54 | sussudio | you are using ubuntu. |
| 07:53.57 | BROKEN_LADDER | how nice of you to mention a subject that we're not discussing. |
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| 07:54.28 | DerJamster | BROKEN_LADDER: read the apt howto on debian.org. You have to edit apt.conf in /etc/apt (or was it pat_preferences..?) |
| 07:54.47 | simonrvn | BROKEN_LADDER: um, duh, it's called an upgrade dumbass. |
| 07:54.53 | DerJamster | You can set things so a specific version is kept, or even downgraded to that version. |
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| 07:55.15 | zamson | how do i list webmin packages? |
| 07:55.26 | davedoom | hi guys. I want to masquerade with my new linux box. where do I put iptables commands? |
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| 07:55.40 | iceman | zamson: dpkg -l|grep webmin, apt-cache search webmin |
| 07:55.43 | BROKEN_LADDER | simonrvn that's right. UPgrade. |
| 07:55.45 | davedoom | It looks like there used to be a start script for this. |
| 07:55.46 | BROKEN_LADDER | not DOWNgrade. |
| 07:56.02 | BROKEN_LADDER | simonrvn: i was running gaim 1.1.1, and it overwrote it with gaim 1.0.0. |
| 07:56.07 | BROKEN_LADDER | that's not an upgrade. |
| 07:56.09 | BROKEN_LADDER | you fucking moron. |
| 07:56.12 | simonrvn | BROKEN_LADDER: sorry, misread. but you should be asking in #ubuntu anyway |
| 07:56.22 | BROKEN_LADDER | you don't know what i'm running on each box i own. |
| 07:56.28 | BROKEN_LADDER | why do you keep talking about ubuntu?! |
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| 07:56.47 | tzafrir | BROKEN_LADDER, such language will not get you help. And I was considering answeing your question |
| 07:56.58 | BROKEN_LADDER | he called me a dumbass. |
| 07:57.08 | BROKEN_LADDER | i'm trying to show him how it feels to be called names. |
| 07:57.16 | BROKEN_LADDER | didn't he ever watch sesame street? |
| 07:57.44 | simonrvn | BROKEN_LADDER: ,.|.. |
| 07:57.47 | DerJamster | Hmh..normally it shouldn't downgrade :P But it seems to happen sometimes as you can also make sure with an option that this does not, ever, happen. Read said howto. |
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| 07:58.45 | zamson | i added a firewall script to inetd. that i want to remove how do i do that? |
| 07:59.00 | BROKEN_LADDER | searching for that specific data in the howto is like a needle in a haystack. |
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| 07:59.05 | BROKEN_LADDER | does anyone just know? |
| 07:59.55 | DerJamster | Strange. The index of said howto says at one point '3.10 How to keep specific versions of packages installed (complex)' |
| 08:00.07 | DerJamster | *hums* |
| 08:00.21 | DerJamster | needle in the haystack indeed :P |
| 08:00.22 | tzafrir | BROKEN_LADDER, what exactly do you want to avoid? If a dist-upgrade caused a package downgrade there were good reasons for that: otherwise there would have been more breakage |
| 08:00.33 | zamson | how do i reset the iptables? |
| 08:00.35 | simonrvn | um, you put them on hold |
| 08:00.42 | DerJamster | zamson: iptables -F |
| 08:00.52 | simonrvn | zamson: man iptables, -X, -F |
| 08:00.58 | zamson | thx |
| 08:01.00 | jm_ | zamson: read the howto and http://iptables-tutorial.frozentux.net/ |
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| 08:02.03 | qwertz | Hi! [sarge] Is there any way to force php4 to use libmysqlclient14 and not libmysqlclient10 cause the older one causes authentication problems? Trying to uninstall libmysqlclient10 tries to remove the whole mysql-server. |
| 08:02.15 | solomon | BROKEN_LADDER: what distribution? and were you using some unofficial package of gaim or something? |
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| 08:03.03 | hipp | lilo wont boot up |
| 08:03.35 | DerJamster | qwertz: I assume 14 isn't in sarge..so manually compile it (or make it a .deb), install it, and make a symlink to where libmysqlclient10.so was (after moving that one elsewhere for safekeeping. |
| 08:03.43 | [DJ_Casper] | someone help me? my apt-get don't work correct ... |
| 08:03.50 | jm_ | qwertz: mysql-server depends on libmysqlclient12 in Sarge, not libmysqlclient10 |
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| 08:04.26 | jm_ | qwertz: then there's package named mysql-server-4.1 |
| 08:04.36 | qwertz | jm_, meaning the mysql-server-4.1 version |
| 08:04.45 | jm_ | qwertz: which depends on 14 |
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| 08:04.52 | b33r | im getting this problem in shorewall : "unable to determin the routes through interface eth1", anyone got ideas? |
| 08:04.56 | DerJamster | [DJ_Casper]: We're still waiting for the description of the Problem... |
| 08:05.00 | Bogaurd | hi. is debian sarge easier to install than woody? |
| 08:05.07 | [DJ_Casper] | DerJamster |
| 08:05.12 | [DJ_Casper] | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 08:05.14 | [DJ_Casper] | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 08:05.20 | solomon | why do people put brackets around their names |
| 08:05.23 | [DJ_Casper] | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.30 | jm_ | solomon: to look more annoying |
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| 08:05.35 | [DJ_Casper] | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.40 | DerJamster | b33r: Hmhm..I assume you gotta make sure your routing tables are set correct. see 'man route' |
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| 08:05.43 | jm_ | [DJ_Casper]: stop it |
| 08:05.51 | solomon | jm_: why do people put underscores after their names? ;-) |
| 08:05.51 | b33r | thanks... checking |
| 08:05.53 | [DJ_Casper] | okay |
| 08:05.57 | hipp | anyone willing to help a n00b? |
| 08:06.05 | solomon | hipp: no |
| 08:06.06 | solomon | :D |
| 08:06.09 | zamson | do u know how to remove a cript added to inet.d? i dont want it to run anymore at startup |
| 08:06.17 | jm_ | solomon: because the nick jm is always taken on other networks so I had to use another one |
| 08:06.17 | DerJamster | [DJ_Casper]: export LANGUAGE=en_US (I assume?), export LC_ALL=en_US |
| 08:06.25 | DerJamster | [DJ_Casper]: How those got messed up I don't know. |
| 08:06.37 | solomon | this is fun, responding sarcastically to people that ask the question "can i ask a question" :) |
| 08:06.38 | DerJamster | Lemme grab the dpkg-reconfigure line you need to make things permanent.. |
| 08:06.52 | [DJ_Casper] | ok |
| 08:06.58 | [DJ_Casper] | thank you man {} |
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| 08:07.35 | Ugly_Duck | hiya |
| 08:07.37 | DerJamster | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:07.43 | solomon | oh, i didn't see it |
| 08:07.46 | solomon | oops |
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| 08:08.13 | solomon | hipp: what happens instead of lilo booting up |
| 08:08.24 | hipp | my other OS's boot up |
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| 08:08.39 | solomon | what happens when you run liloconfig |
| 08:08.40 | DerJamster | hipp: Two HDDs? |
| 08:08.47 | hipp | yes Der |
| 08:08.48 | _blue | anyone here running a laptop with debian, which wm, specs? |
| 08:08.56 | DerJamster | hipp: Check your bios settings :P |
| 08:09.06 | DerJamster | hipp: Change the boot device to the other HDD? |
| 08:09.12 | hipp | ohhh |
| 08:09.15 | hipp | ill try now |
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| 08:09.55 | jm_ | it might also mean you didn't install lilo on MBR |
| 08:10.08 | DerJamster | Let's see what happens :) |
| 08:10.12 | hipp | i did, i made that 10meg primary partition at the start too... |
| 08:10.17 | hipp | hmm checking scsi... |
| 08:10.21 | hipp | dammit... |
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| 08:10.36 | DerJamster | If that doesn't work..got Knoppix nearby? Or some other live rescue CD? |
| 08:10.38 | hipp | lilo was on sda1 |
| 08:10.41 | jm_ | that doesn't mean lilo is installed on MBR, it's just a /boot partition |
| 08:10.42 | DerJamster | heh.. |
| 08:10.52 | DerJamster | yeah..sda1 != MBR. |
| 08:10.54 | hipp | i have knoppix |
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| 08:11.21 | DerJamster | boot it, edit the lilo.conf file to use sda instead and chroot into your system. Run lilo, leave the chroot, reboot. |
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| 08:11.29 | DerJamster | I'll lead you through it if you want :) |
| 08:11.50 | opti | im trying to find an old version of g++ (3.3.4-9) is there some sort of archive i can find this in ? |
| 08:12.05 | bob2 | snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:12.05 | DerJamster | sourcecode? |
| 08:12.07 | bob2 | but why? |
| 08:12.07 | DerJamster | ah. |
| 08:12.34 | opti | bob2: because im trying to patch up a machine so i can build xine. that machine has no net access, and its only missing g++ |
| 08:12.49 | opti | plus, the only net access i have near me at the moment, is 28.8 modem :) |
| 08:12.53 | obtix | awesome, i got a new kernel! haha ok now problem (that thought upgrading my kernel would fix) i have a 3Com 3c905B-TX the card shows up in ifconfig yet i have no network access and the lights aren't even on |
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| 08:13.11 | bob2 | opti: why do you need a specific old buggy version of g++? |
| 08:13.48 | obtix | nothing |
| 08:13.53 | obtix | err, wrong window |
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| 08:14.27 | opti | bob2: because if i try to install a newer version, it wont install without a newer libc6 etc etc etc |
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| 08:14.51 | opti | i just want to slot in that version, so that it works, and i can compile xine |
| 08:15.14 | The_Vulture | obtix: um.. if you don't have link lights chances are that has nothing to do with Linux.. or Debian. |
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| 08:15.22 | WorkerII | Any thoughts on bug #288948 - (libc breaks the whole system - (Bug (+fix) in readdir due to getdents()) |
| 08:15.34 | The_Vulture | obtix: do you have link on the other end of the network cable (the hub, cable modem, or whatever) |
| 08:15.41 | WorkerII | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=288948 |
| 08:15.51 | The_Vulture | obtix: are you sure you aren't using a cross-over cable where you should be using a straight cable (or visa-versa)? |
| 08:16.00 | obtix | The_Vulture: nope.. but the card worked when the system was given to me with windows on it |
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| 08:16.46 | WorkerII | obtix : Well, if the cable fails, who cares if the card works? ;-) |
| 08:16.56 | obtix | I GOT IT |
| 08:17.00 | obtix | the cable was bad... |
| 08:17.08 | obtix | its always the simple things! |
| 08:17.12 | WorkerII | yes :) |
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| 08:17.20 | chealer | zamson: Bogaurd: yes |
| 08:17.23 | obtix | there was a kink in it |
| 08:17.25 | chealer | oops |
| 08:17.29 | opti | hmm, i cant just download a .deb from snapshot.debian.net ? i have to 'apt-get' it ? |
| 08:17.29 | chealer | only for Bogaurd |
| 08:17.29 | WorkerII | link |
| 08:17.50 | chealer | opti: you have to use dpkg |
| 08:18.12 | bob2 | no, you doanload it manually |
| 08:18.15 | WorkerII | If libc was really broken, wouldn't (or shouldn't) it be in the topic? |
| 08:18.16 | Fionn | please help. I cant use dpkg any longer because it keeps saying "dynamic mmap ran out of memory"! |
| 08:18.25 | opti | bob2: i cant find where to download it manually |
| 08:18.27 | cinix2 | Is there a tool that will link debian packages across different file systems? |
| 08:18.38 | Fionn | I already narrowed sources.list down to one line |
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| 08:18.51 | jm_ | Fionn: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 08:18.55 | Fionn | and I habe 175 megs free! |
| 08:18.55 | WorkerII | Fionn : dpkg does not use sources.list. |
| 08:18.56 | chealer | zamson: which script is it? |
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| 08:20.01 | chealer | opti: not all packages are kept there |
| 08:20.23 | WorkerII | the_vulture, which version of libc are you using? 2.3.2.ds1-20? |
| 08:20.28 | b33r | jm_ are you getting all those commands from http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ or do you just know them all? |
| 08:21.02 | jm_ | b33r: I only know a few |
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| 08:21.13 | b33r | oh, just wonderin B) |
| 08:21.18 | Fionn | jm_: thanks! |
| 08:21.27 | WorkerII | b33r : What does this link have to do with commands? |
| 08:21.37 | opti | bob2: found it, thanks |
| 08:21.46 | b33r | that is a dump of eveything dpkg knows WorkerII |
| 08:21.51 | b33r | (i think) |
| 08:22.04 | WorkerII | b33r : Its called "apt_dump" ? |
| 08:22.23 | WorkerII | oh .. you're talking about the bot! |
| 08:22.29 | b33r | yes I was told to put all those into a database and then just search it if i needed to know something |
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| 08:23.40 | WorkerII | Since nobody answers me, I guess nobody here knows about libc or they knows, but don't want to speak? |
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| 08:24.10 | bob2 | please don't be so paranoid |
| 08:24.25 | bob2 | if libc was actually broken, there'd be grave bug in the BTS |
| 08:24.26 | The_Vulture | WorkerII: 2.3.2.ds1-20 apparently |
| 08:24.29 | bob2 | then we could put it in the topic |
| 08:24.33 | simonrvn | yeh, really |
| 08:24.37 | WorkerII | The_Vulture : thanks. |
| 08:24.40 | bob2 | if there is, please give me the number and I'l ladd it |
| 08:24.46 | The_Vulture | what bob2 said |
| 08:25.06 | simonrvn | there'd also be a mad rush in here about people complaining about libc6 being borked, too ;) |
| 08:25.33 | jm_ | and we would laugh :) |
| 08:25.34 | WorkerII | bob2 : Well, the BTS says that libc breaks the whole system, and the bug report has been there for several days afaik. (Since 6th of january, actually) |
| 08:25.40 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:25.45 | bob2 | I se that bug report |
| 08:25.56 | bob2 | but the fact is has no followups leads me to beliebe it's not fatal |
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| 08:26.00 | simonrvn | "f1ix m1 libc6 y00 fux0rs!!11!" |
| 08:26.06 | zamson | does anyone have a good url to a page explaining how to configure dhcpd to work using webmin? |
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| 08:26.28 | bob2 | also it was reported in feburary 2004 to redhat |
| 08:26.33 | bob2 | and has had no followup there |
| 08:26.43 | simonrvn | zamson: don't use webmin. learn how to edit the conf porperly |
| 08:26.49 | simonrvn | pro* |
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| 08:27.08 | bob2 | zamson: the dhcpd.conf file is pretty easy to edit |
| 08:27.11 | WorkerII | bob2 : #288948 Package: libc6 Version: 2.3.2.ds1-13hujics Severity: critical Tags: patch Justification: breaks the whole system |
| 08:27.41 | The_Vulture | WorkerII: yes, we can all see the bug just fine.. |
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| 08:27.53 | ahmet_beler | hello, where can I find beginner instruction on how to set up devfs? do I have to do something special in debian? is there an easy way to set up my 2 cdroms and sound blaster live? |
| 08:27.53 | zamson | simonrvn iv'e tried all night getting "internet connection sharing" for my network to work but it just won't ...im getting crazy... |
| 08:27.55 | The_Vulture | the point was and is that there are no followups, confirmation or otherwise |
| 08:27.56 | WorkerII | The_Vulture : Cool .. I was pasting while conversation went on here. |
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| 08:28.13 | bob2 | zamson: dhcpd has nothing to do with 'internet connection sharing' |
| 08:28.15 | jm_ | let's see - I am using older version, which also has this bug and yet things are working fine |
| 08:28.17 | The_Vulture | zamson: install the ipmasq package then.. |
| 08:28.24 | WorkerII | The_Vulture : Thats what bothers me .. if the bug was fake, someone would have made a followup by now, or? |
| 08:28.28 | bob2 | ahmet_beler: why do you want it? |
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| 08:28.30 | Bogaurd | im in the middle of installing debian woody. im at the part where i need to select modules to load. if i want to load all netfilter modules, is there a way to select them all at once? |
| 08:28.34 | simonrvn | what they said |
| 08:28.36 | Bogaurd | rather than one at a time |
| 08:28.37 | ahmet_beler | bob2, I just want my multimedia work |
| 08:28.43 | The_Vulture | bob2: can make it easier to configure clients with the right network info, which is part of the task in some sense.. *shrugs* |
| 08:28.46 | ahmet_beler | I don't care about udev or devfs, as long as it works |
| 08:28.48 | bob2 | ahmet_beler: you don't need devfs for that |
| 08:28.53 | bob2 | The_Vulture: well, yeah |
| 08:28.53 | WorkerII | jm_ : In other words, the bug isn't critical? |
| 08:28.54 | The_Vulture | but it's not a vital part, granted |
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| 08:28.58 | bob2 | ahmet_beler: if you're using 2.6, use udev |
| 08:29.01 | simonrvn | Bogaurd: maybe try modprobe -l | less |
| 08:29.06 | zamson | the_vulture i have it installed how do i configure it? what im trying to do is sharing my dsl.. two nics. one to modem - one to my switch |
| 08:29.08 | bob2 | Bogaurd: no |
| 08:29.11 | jm_ | WorkerII: I would certainly say so, otherwise both RedHat and Debian would be working on it |
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| 08:29.19 | bob2 | zamson: install the 'ipmasq' package |
| 08:29.20 | ahmet_beler | bob2, ok, I install udev, my sound card and cdroms are not seen, where can I read what to do next? |
| 08:29.24 | bob2 | zamson: then configure it to connect to your isp |
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| 08:29.30 | simonrvn | then add them into /etc/modules manually |
| 08:29.31 | bob2 | ahmet_beler: er, that has nothing to do with udev |
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| 08:29.39 | ahmet_beler | ok, what can I do? |
| 08:29.55 | WorkerII | jm_ : How come the bug isn't changed then? Oh well, I guess by now I should just upgrade and forget about it. ;-) |
| 08:29.57 | The_Vulture | zamson: configurations are in /etc/<package> |
| 08:30.20 | ahmet_beler | bob2, it is bare bones installation from cd 1 only |
| 08:30.22 | bob2 | ahmet_beler: load ide-cd and whatever modeul your card needs |
| 08:30.29 | bob2 | ahmet_beler: of sarge, right? |
| 08:30.31 | jm_ | WorkerII: libc6 is in base, which is frozen so they can't just go wild with changes |
| 08:30.34 | ahmet_beler | bob2, yes sarge |
| 08:30.42 | zamson | k thx guys. i also added a firewall script to inet.d folder - how do i remove it? don't want to load at startup |
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| 08:30.52 | jm_ | zamson: man rm |
| 08:31.08 | The_Vulture | zamson: update-rc.d perhaps |
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| 08:31.21 | WorkerII | jm_ : Not even the bug? |
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| 08:31.42 | jm_ | WorkerII: it would/will be fixed if it really turns out to be critical |
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| 08:32.02 | herodes | i have a problem woth my local net: If i am in, i cant see internet. From out i can get my host.--->http://pastebin.com/227559 |
| 08:32.27 | WorkerII | jm_ : Well, I mean .. why not make a post "Its not blocking everybody" or something like that? The claim that it "breaks everything" seems a bit exadurated :) |
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| 08:32.46 | ahmet_beler | bob2, udev used to say "recreating device nodes" and stuff and suddenly I would get cdrom and sound card to work |
| 08:32.49 | bob2 | WorkerII: the person who wrote the bug report is just some random dude, afaict |
| 08:32.55 | bob2 | ahmet_beler: ok |
| 08:32.57 | ahmet_beler | that's why I was talking about it |
| 08:32.59 | herodes | arquitecture is: ISP-->inetnet->cable_modem->router->pc1+pc2 |
| 08:33.02 | jm_ | WorkerII: libc6 maintainers will handle it, they know how things work |
| 08:33.12 | ahmet_beler | and now it doesn't work =| |
| 08:33.27 | ahmet_beler | I modprobed ide-cd and I don't get the device either |
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| 08:33.54 | WorkerII | bob2: Yes, as far as I know, everybody can produce a bugreport? |
| 08:34.16 | bob2 | WorkerII: right. but it emeans you need to take things in bug reports with a grain of salt. |
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| 08:34.41 | WorkerII | bob2: I know .. thats why I came here to ask ... I was pretty skeptical of the bugreport. |
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| 08:35.27 | WorkerII | bob2 : But when nobody contradicts the random dude, his word stands, no? |
| 08:35.41 | chealer | zamson: I wonder why you don't plug your modem to your switch instead |
| 08:35.48 | jm_ | no, he didn't even prove things break |
| 08:35.50 | WorkerII | bob2 : Thats why I ask here .. cause if some here have the package working, I would dare to ignore the bugreport. |
| 08:36.27 | WorkerII | jm_ : OK .. I must admit I didn't understand his bugreport, so I didn't read it all ... I'm not english. |
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| 08:36.46 | WorkerII | jm_ : I'm not native english speaker, even. |
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| 08:38.34 | herodes | bob2, can you help me with that? |
| 08:38.35 | Sadus[LAU] | what's the most active Debian mailing list? |
| 08:38.56 | WorkerII | Sadus[LAU] : My guess would be debian-user |
| 08:38.59 | bob2 | -devel, probably |
| 08:39.06 | bob2 | oh, wait, bugs-dist |
| 08:40.40 | streuner_ | herodes: can you ping google.com? |
| 08:40.57 | zamson | chealer ause i only have one IP |
| 08:41.14 | chealer | zamson: ah...ok :-P |
| 08:41.19 | bob2 | herodes: sorry, don't have time atm |
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| 08:41.21 | herodes | from internet loging into my pc, if i do ping www.google.com, i got answer |
| 08:41.53 | herodes | but..if i am on localhost, anmd try that.....i am said: unknown host |
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| 08:42.59 | obtix | ok.. my eth0 isnt resolving domains... i can see outside my network by IP address it seems but not domain my /etc/resolv.conf is correct ive checked it 100 times |
| 08:43.42 | simonrvn | herodes: fix your dns on that box. /etc/resolv.conf, man resolv.conf |
| 08:43.42 | obtix | just also i cant even use pump to get an ip from my dhcp oddly enough either but i can ping my dhcp server |
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| 08:45.29 | streuner_ | herodes: so the router/gateway use DHCP? |
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| 08:46.56 | glick | hey when did kde 3.3 make it into sarge> |
| 08:46.57 | glick | ? |
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| 08:47.29 | fatal__ | glick: sometime around jan 5. |
| 08:47.30 | jm_ | after the release managers decided about it... |
| 08:47.35 | Jeremy886 | Hi all. Can I find a debian boot CD which can recognise my usb external harddisk? |
| 08:48.11 | jm_ | Jeremy886: can you? |
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| 08:48.28 | Jeremy886 | jm_: not yet. |
| 08:48.48 | Jeremy886 | jm_: but I think I will :) so I ask. |
| 08:48.54 | jm_ | Jeremy886: let's see - one can install Debian from USB drives using d-i, what do you think? |
| 08:49.17 | Jeremy886 | d-i ? |
| 08:49.23 | simonrvn | !d-i |
| 08:49.23 | dpkg | d-i is probably the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
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| 08:49.48 | Jeremy886 | OK. ty :) |
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| 08:50.44 | markw_ | just copied the contents of 2 dvd's into a directory tree. However that blows up packages.gz and the box doesn't have dpkg-scanpackages is there something to rebuild this? this is a sarge / DI install. |
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| 08:51.39 | jm_ | markw_: would this work? zcat /path/to/1st/Packages.gz /path/to/2nd/Packages.gz | gzip > Packages.gz |
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| 08:52.12 | markw_ | jm_: probably. |
| 08:52.22 | markw_ | that means running over there an flipping dvd's. :) |
| 08:52.23 | Slant | Can anyone recommend a finance program that can import CSV's and help me get an overview of my spending. It must support multiple accounts, and such. |
| 08:52.36 | markw_ | jm_: I'm remotely logged in. |
| 08:52.59 | jm_ | markw_: well you'll need to get both files from somewhere |
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| 08:54.07 | simonrvn | Slant: apt-cache search foo bar baz |
| 08:54.46 | Slant | simonrvn: I did a search and couldn't find anything that seemed like it fit the job. I figured I wasn't searching right, and that's why I asked for suggestions. |
| 08:55.06 | simonrvn | gnucash not ok? |
| 08:55.19 | Invisible | hi guys , i have a problem here with my debian box |
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| 08:55.45 | Invisible | when im going to apt-get something e.g apt-get install blackbox then shows me this error: |
| 08:56.01 | Slant | simonrvn: Hmm. Importing all of GNOME 1. Ugh. that's why it was filtered. I suppose I can use it, though do you have any other suggestions? I don't have much space on this box. |
| 08:56.02 | Invisible | W: Not using locaking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 08:56.25 | fatal__ | Invisible: it's only a warning (W:) not an error. |
| 08:56.26 | Invisible | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem |
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| 08:56.39 | Invisible | fatal__, but i can't apt-get anything |
| 08:56.39 | simonrvn | Slant: gnome 1 libs only. and no, unless you find something |
| 08:56.45 | Zap-W | where is "need someone to connect to pure-ftpd for testing my multi-isp load balance settings" channel? |
| 08:56.50 | simonrvn | Invisible: so do what it says already |
| 08:56.50 | fatal__ | Invisible: did you try the command apt-get suggests? |
| 08:57.00 | Invisible | no |
| 08:57.17 | PerfDave | Invisible: You may wish to try that. |
| 08:57.23 | simonrvn | this isn't windows where all the error messages mean nothing. read them |
| 08:57.24 | Slant | simonrvn: Thanks. |
| 08:57.28 | Invisible | tell me the whole string |
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| 08:57.42 | Slant | simonrvn: I'm kinda suprised there aren't any GNOME 2 finance programs. |
| 08:57.44 | fatal__ | 09:59 < Invisible> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg |
| 08:57.44 | fatal__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.57 | Invisible | fatal__, yes i tried that but.. same |
| 08:58.04 | PerfDave | fatal__++ # correct sized console |
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| 08:59.17 | PerfDave | Invisible: So when you said you didn't try the command, you actually did? |
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| 08:59.34 | Invisible | PerfDave, i didnt try apt-get suggest |
| 08:59.39 | simonrvn | "liar liar, pants on fire" |
| 08:59.42 | joker71 | does anyone know what the pkg name for a graphical log in screen that I can switch gooeys with is called? |
| 08:59.56 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 09:00.02 | Invisible | i find that on the manual, btw thnx guys :D |
| 09:00.08 | simonrvn | you mean a *dm of some sort? |
| 09:00.08 | PerfDave | Invisible: I'd make sure no other dpkg processes are running (use "ps auxww") and delete the file /var/lib/dpkg/lock manually as root |
| 09:00.12 | neeko | joker71: gdm |
| 09:00.13 | b33r | anyone used shorewall? |
| 09:00.19 | PerfDave | joker71: kdm, gdm |
| 09:00.23 | vladkao | b33r: just ask |
| 09:00.25 | simonrvn | @polls |
| 09:00.26 | ravenbird | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or our army of rabid badgers will hurt you. |
| 09:00.38 | joker71 | no not a manager a log in screen before I get to the desktop |
| 09:00.52 | simonrvn | what? |
| 09:01.03 | PerfDave | joker71: Uhm, kdm and gdm *are* log in screens before you get to the desktop. |
| 09:01.06 | neeko | gdm and kdm do just that. |
| 09:01.22 | PerfDave | joker71: You type in your username and password, perhaps some other options, and off you go. |
| 09:01.33 | b33r | ok I need help with shorewall, i can ping the local gateway, I can ping the dmz gateway but theres no acces to the outside world |
| 09:01.58 | xirtam | where is gtk-config included, which pkg? |
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| 09:02.06 | joker71 | PerfDave: i used to have one where I could choose gnome, kde bb etc |
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| 09:02.19 | PerfDave | joker71: gdm or kdm should allow you to do that. |
| 09:02.24 | PerfDave | xirtam: /msg dpkg search/ |
| 09:02.25 | xirtam | where is gtk-config included, which pkg? |
| 09:02.26 | PerfDave | xirtam: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:02.30 | b33r | my /etc/network/options ip_forward is set to yes |
| 09:02.30 | herbi | how can i add an attachment to an email using "mail" binary |
| 09:02.38 | PerfDave | !tell xirtam -about repeat |
| 09:02.44 | vladkao | b33r: shorewall has excellent online documentation with examples |
| 09:02.50 | b33r | yes I know |
| 09:02.50 | jm_ | herbi: use mutt instead |
| 09:02.53 | PerfDave | herbi: Use mutt from the command line - "man mutt". Also I think mailx can handle attachments. |
| 09:02.56 | joker71 | PerfDave: I have no idea how then at the log in screen I have 2 options log in or shutdown |
| 09:03.00 | b33r | I used them to do everything |
| 09:03.18 | vladkao | so ? |
| 09:03.20 | scarynetworkguy | b33r: Run tcpdump on either interface on the shorewall box and get ground truth about what is going on. Then fix it. |
| 09:03.35 | PerfDave | joker71: You should be able to configure kdm with the Control Centre or with /etc/kde/kdm.conf - I have no idea about gdm. |
| 09:03.37 | herbi | jm_, ok how can i do it in mutt. i just want to send a scripted email every week and need the command :/ |
| 09:03.40 | vladkao | scarynetworkguy: I don't think it would help ;-) |
| 09:03.43 | PerfDave | herbi: man mutt |
| 09:03.45 | b33r | thanks scarynetworkguy, will do |
| 09:03.48 | jm_ | yeah there is some chooser that you can start in X session script, I forgot the package name |
| 09:03.51 | jm_ | herbi: man mutt |
| 09:03.54 | herbi | PerfDave, *sigh* thanks. |
| 09:03.57 | scarynetworkguy | vladkao: Why would that not help? |
| 09:04.23 | zamson | im reading alot on the net about scripts...loots say add this and that to /etc/rc.d/ but i dont have such directory.,.. should i add theese scripts to /etc/init.d/ instead? |
| 09:04.43 | herbi | i find it mildly irritating that someone would suggest an alternative to the method i asked, but instead of showing the method they tell me to read the manpage. |
| 09:05.20 | scarynetworkguy | herbi: Reading is fundamental. Odds are what you want to do is the wrong thing and you need to go educate yourself. You have been told how to fish now go do it. |
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| 09:05.30 | groton | hello all |
| 09:06.03 | jm_ | selectwm ;) |
| 09:06.15 | kisshi | My locale is zh_CN.GBK,but I want to use some application with english interface,how to do? |
| 09:06.25 | vladkao | scarynetworkguy: because, i highly doubt, that he will understand it. no offence |
| 09:06.26 | groton | i have a question: i would like to install yacc on my debian, i use apt-get to install bison and various YACC related packages, but i havent been able to install yacc. Neither i found it on the package list. any suggestion? |
| 09:06.46 | herbi | scarynetworkguy, ive nothing against reading. obviously what i wanted to do wasnt wrong, because dave said i could use mailx ... which is the mail package installed on the system in question. |
| 09:07.04 | herbi | whatever, im not getting into a retarded argument |
| 09:07.08 | debian | kisshi: LC_CTYPE=C <app> |
| 09:07.15 | b33r | I dont think I would vladkao, none taken |
| 09:07.27 | kisshi | debian: thanks a lot |
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| 09:07.30 | scarynetworkguy | vladkao: So instead of getting ground truth and then teaching him how to understand it you think it is better to flail about guessing whaty might or might be wrong and trying shit more or less at random? Smart lad. |
| 09:07.31 | debian | kisshi: sometime you need to: LC_ALL=C <app> |
| 09:07.37 | debian | kisshi: you're welcome |
| 09:07.48 | kisshi | debian: ^_^ |
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| 09:08.34 | scarynetworkguy | herbi: *shrug* I've not seen what you asked or the answers you got. Just a general principal there. |
| 09:08.39 | simon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.39 | simon | <knoppix_> k there may be a problem with "utmp" or something - i cant remember the spelling. I'm on knoppix now - anyone konw how i should proceed? |
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| 09:09.03 | herbi | scarynetworkguy, ah i see. theres your problem. |
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| 09:09.11 | b33r | do i need to set up an alias for my eth1 and eth2 in /etc/modutils/aliases ? |
| 09:09.38 | scarynetworkguy | herbi: Could be. Could also be that they way that has been suggested is better and you need to read the manpage. Who suggested the alternated method? |
| 09:10.12 | herbi | 2 people |
| 09:10.18 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 09:10.18 | vladkao | scarynetworkguy: no. but it is misconfigured 99% |
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| 09:10.33 | herbi | look. i have nothing against reading the manpage. if i came in here asking for something obvious, i dont think you need to say anymore than rtfm |
| 09:10.52 | herbi | but if someone suggests an ALTERNATIVE then just saying rtfm isnt adequate. |
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| 09:11.06 | scarynetworkguy | vladkao: And a tcpdump would tell us exactaly how it is misconfigured. In seconds. So the reason it wouldn't work is? Note that I |
| 09:11.25 | scarynetworkguy | 'm more than happy to sit in flood and help him grok it. |
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| 09:13.05 | b33r | is it bad if /usr/src/ is empty? |
| 09:13.12 | hairy_potter | b33r: not at all |
| 09:13.13 | bbrazil | b33r: no |
| 09:13.21 | b33r | oh |
| 09:13.45 | simon | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.45 | simon | re may be a problem with "utmp" or something - i cant remember the spelling. I'm on knoppix now - anyone konw how i should proceed? |
| 09:14.49 | hairy_potter | is there a way infobot can be restarted over IRC? (like asked to re-read its configs?) |
| 09:15.26 | deadcat | simon: install grub and problem solved |
| 09:16.03 | bbrazil | simon: vague guess - one of your swap partitions isn't mounted and you don't have enough ram. Did you just install a new kernel? |
| 09:16.32 | simon | deadcat: how do i do that from knoppix? |
| 09:17.04 | simon | bbrazil: i just did apt-get install upgrade - and hit all the defaults |
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| 09:17.51 | bbrazil | simon: did you run 'lilo' after altering lilo.conf? |
| 09:18.00 | simon | bbrazil - yes |
| 09:18.12 | simon | bbrazil: yes |
| 09:18.16 | kisshi | debian: great,LC_ALL=C can work |
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| 09:18.31 | kisshi | debian: LC_CTYPE failed |
| 09:18.57 | debian | kisshi: LC_ALL=C is an overkill, but as long as it works it's okay |
| 09:19.05 | debian | kisshi: LC_CTYPE work for most application |
| 09:19.14 | debian | kisshi: run 'locale' for detail list |
| 09:19.34 | kisshi | debian: LANG=zh_CN.GBK |
| 09:19.35 | kisshi | LC_CTYPE="zh_CN.GBK" |
| 09:19.35 | kisshi | LC_NUMERIC="zh_CN.GBK" |
| 09:19.35 | kisshi | LC_TIME="zh_CN.GBK" |
| 09:19.35 | kisshi | LC_COLLATE="zh_CN.GBK" |
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| 09:19.38 | sean_micken | anyone know where i can get mplayerplug-in (not mplayer itself) for sarge? |
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| 09:20.05 | debian | kisshi: you asked for it. |
| 09:20.09 | debian | :) |
| 09:20.36 | kisshi | debian: :( ,what's happened |
| 09:20.51 | debian | kisshi: you got kicked for flooding the channel |
| 09:20.52 | herbi | ok |
| 09:20.55 | herbi | so i read the mutt manpage |
| 09:20.57 | herbi | and did as it said |
| 09:20.59 | herbi | still not working. |
| 09:21.18 | herbi | i did echo "test" | mutt -a test.zip <myemail> |
| 09:21.20 | kisshi | debian: but i didn't flood the channel,just paste my locale. |
| 09:21.26 | jm_ | that works just fine |
| 09:21.39 | herbi | jm_, so how come the email didnt make it to the inbox? |
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| 09:21.49 | jm_ | herbi: check your MTA logs |
| 09:21.52 | scarynetworkguy | kisshi: Pasting more than 4 lines is a flood and you will be kicked and you wil deserve it. |
| 09:22.02 | debian | kisshi: ^^ |
| 09:22.35 | r4v3n | kisshi: type /join #flood, you can safely flood in there, and people here will take a look at your problem |
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| 09:23.11 | herbi | jm_, unfortunately, it doesnt even show up in the logs. |
| 09:23.13 | kisshi | debian: I see ,thank you |
| 09:23.31 | kisshi | r4v3n: thanks for your help |
| 09:23.43 | jm_ | herbi: mutt relied on /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail by default |
| 09:23.52 | kisshi | debian: i am a newbie,^_^ |
| 09:23.55 | scarynetworkguy | herbi: Are you POPing your mail? |
| 09:23.57 | herbi | jm_, and im quite sure mail is working because i just tested it using sylpheed |
| 09:24.00 | debian | kisshi: me Tools |
| 09:24.00 | herbi | scarynetworkguy, no |
| 09:24.07 | debian | damn tab completion |
| 09:24.12 | jm_ | herbi: sylpheed doesn't rely on /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 09:24.12 | debian | kisshi: I meant me too |
| 09:24.12 | scarynetworkguy | kisshi: Wrong attitude. |
| 09:24.25 | debian | kisshi: we're all newbies |
| 09:24.36 | debian | kisshi: hang around here pretending to be experts |
| 09:24.38 | herbi | jm_, i am not ON the computer im trying to send mail from, sylpheed is on this computer, and is connected to my mailserver in canada. |
| 09:24.48 | sean_micken | can you install one or two unstable packages on a testing system? |
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| 09:25.08 | jm_ | herbi: that makes no sense to me and is irrelevant anyway |
| 09:25.23 | b33r | ok scarynetworkguy was running tcpdump, and due to my ghetto network I cant show you the dump |
| 09:25.32 | b33r | but |
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| 09:25.39 | zamson | i configured my iptables now.. in the client what should i fill in apart from ip,gateway,subnet? do i have to add my dns server (same as the internet nic on the server) |
| 09:25.47 | herbi | jm_, look man..i read the manpage, i did as it said and it didnt work. when exactly do i qualify for assistance here |
| 09:25.47 | kisshi | debian: Can you tell me what's the meaning of "hang around".English is not my mother language.thanks |
| 09:25.58 | herbi | if im not, just tell me now |
| 09:26.02 | herbi | i dont want to waste your time |
| 09:26.08 | b33r | i was doing a tracert on my friends ip and was watching the dump |
| 09:26.18 | debian | kisshi: world.altavista.com |
| 09:26.27 | jm_ | herbi: I told you, it relies on /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail |
| 09:26.32 | PoonJ | I don't know if I'm correct in saying this...but technically I just need xwindows on my server to run xapps...without the need for installing gnome on the server itself...I could just do X11 forwarding on a remote machine? |
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| 09:26.42 | tuxillo | hi |
| 09:26.49 | herbi | jm_, ok. would you like to elaborate on that at all |
| 09:26.52 | debian | kisshi: hmm...it doesn't translate correctly |
| 09:27.06 | jm_ | herbi: what's there to elaborate about? |
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| 09:27.18 | herbi | well im not sure i exactly understand how thats meant to help me. |
| 09:27.20 | b33r | it was just a bunch of IP 172.16.1.1 > ip68.231.48.60.ph.ph.cox ICMP request mesages |
| 09:27.22 | simon | deadcat: is it possible to install grub and fix my problem from knoppix? |
| 09:27.26 | debian | kisshi: you come from China right? |
| 09:27.27 | b33r | and some arp talk |
| 09:27.32 | kisshi | debian: are you a chinese also? |
| 09:27.54 | debian | kisshi: aye |
| 09:28.12 | tuxillo | anyone has just tested Asus A7V600-X motherboard under linux? |
| 09:28.12 | kisshi | debian: the translate is a confused work. |
| 09:28.26 | b33r | no packets from eth0 were hitting eth1 |
| 09:28.37 | debian | kisshi: let's chat in private |
| 09:28.51 | scarynetworkguy | b33r: There is your problem. Forwarding is not set up properly. |
| 09:29.04 | herbi | jm_, yeah...i see ...thanks for uh...your help. |
| 09:29.26 | b33r | in /etc/network/options ip_forwarding is yes |
| 09:29.45 | b33r | IP_FORWARDING=on in /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf |
| 09:29.48 | herbi | you shouldve just told me 7 lines ago you were gonna be a tool, and i wouldve left you alone. |
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| 09:30.34 | jm_ | ahh yes, he's not going to hold my hand, what a tool - go whine to your mum |
| 09:30.42 | bob2 | herbi: please stop being a dick |
| 09:30.49 | opc0de | hey how do I install kde on sid? when I try apt-get install kde, I get an error saying that kde depends on kdemultimedia but it is not going to be installed.. do I have to do an apt-get install kde-common, and then apt-get install all the other kde packages I want? |
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| 09:31.01 | b33r | scarynetworkguy, could it be a problem with /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 09:31.27 | herbi | jm_, i didnt ask for you to hold my hand. i asked for HELP. cryptic lines dont really count as help. |
| 09:31.28 | SlayerXP | opc0de: if you're using sid, you're expected to know how to deal with situations like that |
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| 09:31.45 | SlayerXP | opc0de: if you're not able to solve package issues yourself, you have no business using sid |
| 09:31.56 | scarynetworkguy | b33r: I doubt it. Is the shorewall box able to get to the net? |
| 09:32.02 | b33r | yes |
| 09:32.10 | opc0de | I'm trying to solve it myself, but googing hasn't turned up much other than what I just wrote |
| 09:32.15 | opc0de | s/googing/googling |
| 09:32.21 | bob2 | herbi: if you don't understand something, say "I don't understand $foo" |
| 09:32.32 | bob2 | opc0de: hit up the BTS if you're using sid |
| 09:32.40 | herbi | bob2, i did. and the line that made no sense was repeated. |
| 09:32.42 | bob2 | opc0de: and/or #debian-kde and debian-qt-kde list |
| 09:32.50 | bob2 | herbi: you didn't say which bit you didn't understand |
| 09:32.56 | herbi | bob2, yes. |
| 09:33.10 | jm_ | herbi: that's because it didn't made sense to me actually, I didn't just say it because I felt like it |
| 09:33.13 | opc0de | and yes, I know the drill, don't install sid if you can't handle it.. I've resited running unstable for years, and although I find woody a pain in the ass with some software being 4 years old, I stuck with it |
| 09:33.31 | Marabest | I have a little prolem: When I click on an icon in the taskbar or desktop the program (for instance firefox) opens 2 times. Does anybody got a clue? |
| 09:33.32 | herbi | jm_, ...it didnt make sense to you...so you repeated it? |
| 09:33.40 | jm_ | herbi: repeated what? |
| 09:33.44 | bob2 | opc0de: sarge? |
| 09:33.50 | bob2 | herbi: just say which bit you don't understand |
| 09:33.57 | bob2 | this is so amazingly tedious |
| 09:34.04 | directhex|work | Marabest, you probably have two mice defined in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:34.11 | herbi | fine. i dont understand how saying that mail relies on sendmail explains anything, or helps me in any way |
| 09:34.12 | jm_ | herbi: it was your fucking statement that didn't make sense, not mine - I didn't repeat anything you said |
| 09:34.19 | herbi | yeah calm down. |
| 09:34.20 | directhex|work | Marabest, both of which are reading inputs from your one mouse, so everything happens twice |
| 09:34.36 | herbi | bob2, when you make people repeat things, it gets tedious. |
| 09:34.36 | opc0de | bob2: I figured as much as I run into problems with old software on woody, I would stick with it.. woodyis on my server, I installed sid on a development machine strictly for testing |
| 09:34.37 | Marabest | I had, but I removed /dev/input/mice and restarted X but the problem still exist |
| 09:34.37 | bob2 | herbi: the 'mutt' and 'mail' commands use /usr/sbin/sendmail to send mail |
| 09:34.43 | bob2 | which is not neccesseraily sendmail |
| 09:34.56 | bob2 | herbi: stop being so whiney and tell us what's confusing you |
| 09:34.59 | herbi | bob2, im well aware of that now. but it doesnt address my problem at all |
| 09:35.06 | bob2 | lordy |
| 09:35.10 | bob2 | you're such a pleasure to try to help |
| 09:35.18 | directhex|work | opc0de, why not 'testing' for testing? |
| 09:35.34 | The_Vulture | herbi: consider me to be an objective observer (at the moment now) - what exactly is your problem? |
| 09:35.34 | herbi | bob2, whats confusing me is that i read the manpage, i ran the command according to the manpage, jm_ said the command i ran should work, but it didnt. then he said mail relies on sendmail. |
| 09:35.37 | si|vercat | how do I make RTCW:ET use Alsa instead of OSS? says seta snddevice "/dev/dsp", what is the device for alsa? |
| 09:35.49 | jm_ | herbi: no, he said mutt relies on /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 09:36.12 | jm_ | si|vercat: ALSA provides OSS compatibility, so load those modules |
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| 09:36.15 | Marabest | I also removed XFConfig-4 and dpkg-reconfiguer xserver-xfree86 but I does not create a new config file |
| 09:36.23 | herbi | The_Vulture, i cant seem to get a mutt command "echo "test" | mutt -a test.zip <myemail" to deliver that email to my inbox |
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| 09:36.30 | rsalazar | Marabest: tried with another mouse? maybe your mouse button is screwed |
| 09:36.46 | opc0de | directhex|work: yeah, testing probably would've been fine, but I figured that I've never run unstable before, I'd give it a try and see just how unstable it is |
| 09:37.00 | The_Vulture | herbi: what happens when you run that command? what output does it produce, what data is in the logs, etc.. |
| 09:37.13 | si|vercat | jm_, do I use the same device? |
| 09:37.17 | herbi | The_Vulture, i also tested echo "test" | mail -s test -a test.zip <myemail> and the same thing..no email delivered |
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| 09:37.25 | directhex|work | Marabest, no, it doesn't |
| 09:37.26 | jm_ | si|vercat: yes, it will let you use /dev/dsp |
| 09:37.33 | herbi | The_Vulture, nothing in the /var/log/maillog or /var/log/exim/main.log and no errors on stdout |
| 09:37.34 | directhex|work | Marabest, if you edit the file by hand, dpkg-reconfigure ignores it |
| 09:37.42 | Marabest | mmmm, too bad |
| 09:37.56 | herbi | sina@sibrwd:~$ echo "test" | mutt -a index.html sina.sa@gmail.com |
| 09:37.56 | herbi | sina@sibrwd:~$ |
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| 09:37.58 | directhex|work | Marabest, to fix it: md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 09:38.16 | Marabest | Ok, I will give it a try |
| 09:38.25 | opc0de | anyways, I guess I'll try #debian-kde |
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| 09:38.28 | si|vercat | hmm.. xmms plays fine through /dev/dsp, while ET says "I/O error" |
| 09:38.36 | jm_ | si|vercat: read ALSA Wiki docs |
| 09:38.45 | The_Vulture | herbi: when you say "<myemail>" what do you mean? and was there anything that wasn't errors in the logs? |
| 09:39.10 | Marabest | I have a ps2 mouse, but a 2.6 kernel, what type of mouse should I choose? /dev/input/mice? |
| 09:39.13 | herbi | The_Vulture, as in my email address enclosed in that space, minus the brackets |
| 09:39.20 | jm_ | Marabest: read 2.6 input FAQ |
| 09:39.32 | directhex|work | Marabest, ALWAYS /dev/input/mice |
| 09:39.33 | herbi | The_Vulture, i.e. echo "test" | mutt -a testfile somedude@someaddress.com |
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| 09:39.52 | The_Vulture | herbi: which email address? a public address such as the one from your ISP? not just your local username or ever your username@yourhostname (the actual current boxes hostname) |
| 09:40.09 | herbi | The_Vulture, well i was test sending to a gmail account |
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| 09:40.17 | Marabest | thats probably the problem :) , thx, i will try to create a new config with dpkg |
| 09:40.19 | The_Vulture | try local mail first (your_user, your_user@localhost, your_user@your_hostname) |
| 09:40.43 | b33r | scarynetworkguy: could it be my kernel? : 2.4.18 |
| 09:40.48 | herbi | The_Vulture, nope :/ |
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| 09:41.08 | The_Vulture | herbi: test the basics first, but presumably you failed to setup exim properly, it's probably sending a bounce back to the user who sent the mail (you) telling you about that.. possibly. |
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| 09:42.14 | herbi | The_Vulture, it isnt though. i just tested using my email normally between the accounts, and it works. im not getting any bounce messages. the mail isnt making it to delivery stage |
| 09:42.31 | scarynetworkguy | b33r: I doubt it. At this point it is likey a shorewall problem. I'd start delving into ways that forwarding can break with shorewall if I were you. |
| 09:42.35 | The_Vulture | herbi: between two user accounts on your local system only? |
| 09:42.46 | The_Vulture | using the username as th email address? |
| 09:42.50 | herbi | The_Vulture, i cant even send it to myself |
| 09:42.55 | herbi | sina@sibrwd:~$ echo "test" | nail -s test -a index.html sina |
| 09:42.56 | herbi | sina@sibrwd:~$ mail |
| 09:42.56 | herbi | No mail for sina |
| 09:42.56 | petemc | herbi: check the logs, also exim has good debugging built in - use it |
| 09:43.01 | The_Vulture | right, so we've just narrowed the problem down a bit |
| 09:43.10 | herbi | petemc, i HAVE checked the logs. |
| 09:43.13 | b33r | scarynetworkguy, ok; im scowling the mailing list archives for common probs |
| 09:43.15 | The_Vulture | herbi: what's the contents of the exim logs (pastebin the "tail" of them) |
| 09:43.16 | petemc | exim -d -v -bt sina |
| 09:43.22 | The_Vulture | or #flood or whatever |
| 09:43.52 | scarynetworkguy | b33r: Cool. |
| 09:44.05 | b33r | thanks for your help thoug.... tcpdump is cool |
| 09:44.10 | herbi | The_Vulture, theyre all empty :/ |
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| 09:44.24 | herbi | only maillog has stuff...and its only legitimate email logs, no errors. |
| 09:44.28 | scarynetworkguy | b33r: Anytime. |
| 09:44.37 | ricky_clarkson | The_Vulture: Check herbi's disk space? |
| 09:44.46 | herbi | disk spce is fine |
| 09:44.47 | The_Vulture | herbi: I'm not asking you to think about whether they are errors.. |
| 09:44.55 | The_Vulture | I'm just asking for the logs |
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| 09:45.12 | herbi | how many lines would you like |
| 09:45.35 | The_Vulture | last 10, 20, whatever (you could delete them then check what's logged in a single send attempt) |
| 09:45.59 | veleno | i'm new to raid stuff. tutorials lack of details. question: do i need a mkswap over /dev/md0 ? |
| 09:46.06 | herbi | The_Vulture, thats the point, i watched it as i attempted a send, and nothing came up. |
| 09:46.34 | herbi | there is nothing pertaining to the sends im attempting in the logs but...im pasting in flood anyway at your request |
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| 09:46.51 | The_Vulture | back in a bit |
| 09:47.02 | ricky_clarkson | Shit. |
| 09:47.08 | debian | veleno: good question. I always don't find any swap disk in raid. :) |
| 09:47.09 | ricky_clarkson | "at teatime" works, gives 16:00 |
| 09:47.14 | herbi | yay. |
| 09:47.15 | jm_ | hehe |
| 09:47.19 | debian | veleno: but it doesn't mean it isn't necessary. :) |
| 09:47.30 | ricky_clarkson | ricky@ricky:~$ at pubtime |
| 09:47.32 | ricky_clarkson | parse error. Last token seen: pubtime |
| 09:47.33 | ricky_clarkson | Damn! |
| 09:47.42 | jm_ | it's mentioned in the man page |
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| 09:48.47 | veleno | debian: to my understanding, if disks composint the raid have swap partition, i could config /etc/fstab so that they are there. |
| 09:49.05 | Moras | Hi. If a dead pixel looks like a tiny piece of dirt on the screen, then what is the big deal? I see spots on my sceen from dust or whatnot that are as noticeable as the dead pixel. |
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| 09:49.38 | mrGenixus | I'm having a wierd problem with grub |
| 09:51.13 | scarynetworkguy | !tell mrGenixus about ask |
| 09:51.18 | jm_ | Moras: some people have a problem with the black line on trinitron displays - just ignore it if it doesn't bother you |
| 09:51.31 | scarynetworkguy | dpkg: You still here? |
| 09:51.37 | directhex|work | Moras, a psychological concept about being sold a defective product. that & a flashing blue pixel would be annoying. |
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| 09:51.45 | jm_ | dead pixel might mean several things anyway |
| 09:52.01 | Marabest | mmm, problem still exist, damm mouse :) I now have 1 mouse (/dev/input/mice) protocol (imPS/2) mapping (4, 5) Driver (mouse) |
| 09:52.04 | bytecolor_ | wonder why, when I quit my irc client, it doesnt exit from the room? |
| 09:52.12 | scarynetworkguy | !room |
| 09:52.21 | scarynetworkguy | Damn bot seems to have fucked off. |
| 09:52.26 | jm_ | Marabest: read 2.6 input FAQ |
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| 09:52.30 | jm_ | @room |
| 09:52.31 | ravenbird | CHANNEL! |
| 09:52.34 | bytecolor_ | the connection stays active, so I have to use an alternate name |
| 09:52.44 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah but I hate ravenbird. |
| 09:52.48 | jm_ | heh |
| 09:53.08 | scarynetworkguy | Granted I have no real reason to hate him. |
| 09:53.10 | ricky_clarkson | bytecolor_: How do you quit? Do you use /quit? |
| 09:53.14 | ricky_clarkson | @leave |
| 09:53.15 | ravenbird | leave is, like, what your boss does not give you enough of. |
| 09:53.39 | bytecolor_ | ricky, /quit |
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| 09:53.46 | ricky_clarkson | bytecolor_: To kill your old connection, /msg nickserv ghost bytecolor <password> |
| 09:53.53 | mrGenixus | so.. . scarynetworkguy |
| 09:53.54 | Na | im totally new to linux/debian, just like a stamp of approval on this: If you have three users, none of whom are owners of the file, who you wish to grant the same permissions. Is the only way to do this to put them in a single group as the owner of the file and grant the same permissions to the group, via chmod, as has the file owner? |
| 09:53.59 | mrGenixus | what is this "ask" |
| 09:54.11 | scarynetworkguy | mrGenixus: The thing you still haven't done. |
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| 09:54.23 | mrGenixus | I just finishied running the sarcge netinstall CD |
| 09:54.23 | Moras | does lg make crap? |
| 09:54.23 | bob2 | Na: yes |
| 09:54.26 | bob2 | Na: or use ACLS |
| 09:54.28 | ricky_clarkson | mrGenixus: Ask a question. |
| 09:54.33 | Moras | lg electronics. |
| 09:54.36 | mrGenixus | and I kepp getting grub error 17 |
| 09:54.37 | bytecolor_ | cool, thanks ricky |
| 09:54.39 | Na | thanks bob |
| 09:54.40 | mrGenixus | I don't know why |
| 09:54.42 | mrGenixus | do you? |
| 09:54.42 | directhex|work | Moras, no more than anyone else. |
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| 09:54.45 | Moras | i remember lucky and goldstar. |
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| 09:54.58 | scarynetworkguy | mrGenixus: What did google say about it? |
| 09:54.59 | Moras | utter shit, of course. |
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| 09:55.09 | Moras | directhe, what is that supposed to mean? |
| 09:55.11 | mrGenixus | that it can't mount the partition |
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| 09:55.16 | zerge | hi everybody |
| 09:55.22 | veleno | running lilo i get: Only RAID1 are supporteedas boot devices. i setup a raid-0 array. why can't I boot from raid0 ? |
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| 09:56.37 | directhex|work | Moras, it means there's nothing particularly wrong with lg kit. lg-philips are one of the main manufacturers of lcd panels for use in tfts |
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| 09:58.19 | Nenillo | hi |
| 09:58.28 | Nenillo | what programn can I use to read .mbx mail files? |
| 09:58.33 | herodes | how i set to run kde as default instead of gnome? |
| 09:58.55 | davedoom | hi guys. I want to add an iptables entry when the sarge box comes up. where should I put it? |
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| 09:59.12 | davedoom | there used to be a start script for this but it was removed. |
| 09:59.37 | zumbi | O_o |
| 09:59.40 | SlayerXP | davedoom: use the up= hook in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:59.44 | jm_ | davedoom: use up or pre-up script in interfaces file |
| 09:59.48 | bob2 | davedoom: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 09:59.52 | davedoom | thanks |
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| 10:00.08 | simonrvn | ~anyone use |
| 10:00.14 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 10:00.20 | simonrvn | hrm |
| 10:00.33 | bytecolor | so where would be the correct place to ask kernel header questions? |
| 10:01.00 | herodes | how i set to run kde as default instead of gnome? |
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| 10:01.16 | Marabest | mm /var/log/messages: input: ImExPS/2 Logitech Explorer Mouse on isa0060/serio1, while my protocol in xfconfig is imPS/2, should I change it to imExPS/2? |
| 10:01.41 | bob2 | herodes: #debian-kde |
| 10:01.42 | Moras | lg philips? |
| 10:01.49 | Moras | lg has no relation to philips that i know of. |
| 10:01.50 | bob2 | Marabest: no |
| 10:01.51 | Marabest | 1 line below mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 10:01.56 | bob2 | bytecolor: you need to be a lot less vague |
| 10:02.21 | jm_ | ahh he's ignoring my advice to read 2.6 input FAQ for 15 minutes now, how nice |
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| 10:02.35 | simonrvn | ooh, that *.aol.com rule worked nicely |
| 10:02.46 | dnb | herodes, create a .xsession or .xinitrc file your user's home dir. and -> #!/bin/sh <-line1, -> export WINDOW_MANAGER=$(startkde) <-line2 , -> exec $WINDOW_MANAGER <- line3 .. add these lines to those files and try logout login again.. |
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| 10:03.12 | simonrvn | exec foo works fine |
| 10:03.46 | bytecolor | so where would be the correct place to ask CP/M kernel header questions? |
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| 10:04.04 | simonrvn | in a cp/m channel, i would presume |
| 10:04.12 | bytecolor | heh |
| 10:04.15 | herodes | dnb, thx u |
| 10:04.23 | dnb | i hope it run ;) |
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| 10:07.46 | Heaven|daskalo | awe |
| 10:07.54 | Heaven|daskalo | how can i install Debian SID |
| 10:07.59 | Heaven|daskalo | i can't find isos |
| 10:08.08 | Heaven|daskalo | what's the way the |
| 10:08.12 | Heaven|daskalo | someone to help we |
| 10:08.23 | bob2 | you don't |
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| 10:08.42 | chealer | I heard sid is something you shouldn't install if you don't how to find it |
| 10:08.46 | Bogaurd | hi. i've just done an install of debian woody on my system. i'd like to now remove postgresql and replace it with mysql, and install php for apache. can i do this all using apt-get? |
| 10:08.58 | bob2 | Bogaurd: of course, they're just packages |
| 10:09.01 | kane__ | Boguard: yes |
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| 10:09.09 | bob2 | Heaven|daskalo: if you insist, get a sarge iso and do a netinstall |
| 10:09.12 | simonrvn | @sid |
| 10:09.13 | kruzi | heyas anyone know a decent login client for debian/or linux in general that works with optus cable? |
| 10:09.17 | simonrvn | @+sid |
| 10:09.18 | ravenbird | i heard sid is the unstable branch of debian. Sarge is testing and will become stable one day, to be replaced by a new testing branch. Woody is the current stable branch, or you can ask me about sid-cdimages, or the mean kid from toystory, or not unstable it's still in development, or "broken. Live with it". Sid will always be the codename for the unstable branch. If you need to ask about it, you shouldn't run it. |
| 10:09.18 | PerfDave | Heaven|daskalo: (a) there is no such thing as Debian SID, (b) you don't want to run Sid unless you're a tester or developer, or know how to deal with serious fuckups. |
| 10:09.30 | glick | Bogaurd, you install sarge and upgrade to sid |
| 10:09.41 | simonrvn | sid is not an acronym |
| 10:09.42 | PerfDave | !sid faq |
| 10:09.53 | bytecolor | spastick, I install Sarge with no command line opts and it installs fine, I use linux26 and DHCP fails |
| 10:09.57 | simonrvn | dpkg isn't responding |
| 10:10.01 | netic | hi. is it possible to share one terminal with someone on local network ( that one is connected to me with ssh) |
| 10:10.07 | Bogaurd | i didnt install sarge because it wasnt reccomended for a server |
| 10:10.08 | bytecolor | but it doesnt whine about a failed NIC |
| 10:10.29 | simonrvn | netic: screen |
| 10:10.32 | Bogaurd | how can i tell debian that there is no proxy required for net access? i used a proxy during the setup for netinstall |
| 10:10.33 | directhex|work | bytecolor, try the dhcp scan a few times, the dhcp server on my network is rediculously slow |
| 10:10.33 | jm_ | netic: yes, screen supports that |
| 10:10.38 | chealer | Bogaurd: it's not secure until it's released |
| 10:10.47 | bob2 | Bogaurd: /etc/environment, perhaps |
| 10:10.56 | directhex|work | or maybe base-config ? |
| 10:11.03 | chealer | Bogaurd: I think glick was talking to Heaven|daskalo |
| 10:11.06 | bytecolor | directhex|work, I've a router as my local DHCP server |
| 10:11.14 | PerfDave | netic: screen, ttysnoop |
| 10:11.26 | Bogaurd | ok |
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| 10:11.30 | netic | simonrvn jm_ PerfDave: thanks |
| 10:11.36 | tercerob11 | hello? |
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| 10:11.44 | simonrvn | goodbye |
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| 10:12.12 | tercerob11 | Im migue |
| 10:12.18 | Heaven|daskalo | i don't know |
| 10:12.24 | Heaven|daskalo | i founde both Sid and Sarge |
| 10:12.25 | tercerob11 | I´m from spain |
| 10:12.27 | Heaven|daskalo | on someking binare files |
| 10:12.28 | Bogaurd | the etc/environment file has nothing about a proxy server |
| 10:12.35 | Heaven|daskalo | or something called JIGD2 |
| 10:12.42 | simonrvn | jigdo |
| 10:12.48 | Heaven|daskalo | noone in BG mirrors i don't find ISO |
| 10:12.50 | Bogaurd | where can i specify network adapter ip's and proxys etc? |
| 10:12.55 | Heaven|daskalo | excepting Debian 3.02 |
| 10:12.58 | Heaven|daskalo | or Woody isos |
| 10:13.02 | bytecolor | I used jigdo to snatch woody |
| 10:13.04 | scarynetworkguy | Bogaurd: man 5 interfaces |
| 10:13.06 | bob2 | Bogaurd: /etc/network/interfaces, but proxies aren't network adaptor settings |
| 10:13.11 | bytecolor | year or so ago |
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| 10:13.25 | simonrvn | there's jigdo-lite too |
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| 10:13.28 | Bogaurd | bob2, i know proxies are not network interface settings |
| 10:13.29 | tercerob12 | hello? |
| 10:13.40 | bob2 | tercerob12: #debian-es |
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| 10:13.45 | Bogaurd | bob2, i just want to knwo where to set them :) |
| 10:13.55 | Thanatermesis | dondelelcaro, hello, you speak spanish please? |
| 10:13.55 | bob2 | Bogaurd: there's no central place |
| 10:13.59 | directhex|work | !tell Heaven|daskalo about d-i |
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| 10:14.05 | bob2 | Thanatermesis: #debian-es |
| 10:14.09 | simonrvn | Thanatermesis: #debian-es |
| 10:14.13 | Bogaurd | bob2, ok thanks :) |
| 10:14.14 | tercerob12 | nose lo ke ablais |
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| 10:14.25 | tercerob12 | hello? |
| 10:14.25 | bob2 | !spanish |
| 10:14.30 | Thanatermesis | sorry, Im only need to speak dondelelcaro |
| 10:14.32 | clojster | how can I disable ALT+click mouse dragging? (moving windows) in FLUXBOX? |
| 10:14.32 | bob2 | ~spanish |
| 10:14.33 | apt | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 10:14.33 | raz0r | Windows overwrite my bootloader and I can't get back to Linux, what can I do? (I don't have a rescue disk for the system) |
| 10:14.34 | tercerob12 | si |
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| 10:14.40 | simonrvn | @spanish |
| 10:14.41 | ravenbird | spanish users: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda |
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| 10:14.55 | simonrvn | oh apt *is* working. ok |
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| 10:15.17 | clojster | #fluxbox |
| 10:15.22 | hairy_potter | simonrvn: apt is an infobot, right? |
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| 10:15.27 | bob2 | blootbot |
| 10:15.39 | hairy_potter | bob2: oh ok |
| 10:16.16 | directhex|work | raz0r, GET a rescue disk for the system |
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| 10:16.27 | raz0r | directhex|work: How do I get a rescue disk for the system?? |
| 10:17.17 | PerfDave | raz0r: tomsrtbt, System Rescue CD |
| 10:17.31 | raz0r | k |
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| 10:18.40 | raz0r | can I do it with a debian net-install cd too? |
| 10:18.42 | Heaven|daskalo | directhex|work, what d-i? |
| 10:19.07 | directhex|work | oh yeah, no dpkg. |
| 10:19.10 | directhex|work | @d-i |
| 10:19.12 | ravenbird | hmm... d-i is the sequel of boot-floopy a.k.a debian-installer. |
| 10:19.16 | directhex|work | bah |
| 10:19.31 | Heaven|daskalo | well |
| 10:19.33 | directhex|work | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:19.39 | Heaven|daskalo | I'm currently On Fedora Core 3 |
| 10:19.53 | Heaven|daskalo | i've tried Mandrake, REdhat, Suse And Slackware |
| 10:19.59 | Heaven|daskalo | i'm gonna try Debian |
| 10:20.11 | Heaven|daskalo | but... |
| 10:20.21 | Heaven|daskalo | directhex|work, is that link for me |
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| 10:22.16 | directhex|work | Heaven|school, yes. |
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| 10:22.22 | raz0r | directhex|work: Can I rescue from a net-inst cd |
| 10:22.22 | Heaven|school | ok |
| 10:22.22 | raz0r | ? |
| 10:22.27 | Heaven|school | i'm gonna use such installer |
| 10:22.35 | Heaven|school | to run my Debian Sarge/Sid installation? |
| 10:22.37 | directhex|work | raz0r, yes. |
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| 10:22.46 | directhex|work | Heaven|school, that's the sarge installer. it will install sarge, |
| 10:22.53 | Heaven|school | yeah |
| 10:22.57 | Heaven|school | but there is such to SID |
| 10:22.59 | Heaven|school | maybe :) |
| 10:23.02 | Heaven|school | ok try for help |
| 10:23.02 | raz0r | directhex|work: what do I type? rescue=/dev/<myhdd>? |
| 10:23.05 | Heaven|school | 10x |
| 10:23.13 | Heaven|school | well guys |
| 10:23.19 | Heaven|school | my pride is calling :P |
| 10:23.24 | Heaven|school | good day to all |
| 10:23.26 | Bogaurd | how can i change the proxy settings for apt-get? |
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| 10:23.39 | ricky_clarkson | !proxy |
| 10:23.44 | ricky_clarkson | !apt-proxy |
| 10:23.44 | jm_ | Bogaurd: man apt-get ; man apt.conf |
| 10:23.51 | PerfDave | Heaven|daskalo: (a) there is no such thing as Debian SID, (b) you don't want to run Sid unless you're a tester or developer, or know how to deal with serious fuckups. |
| 10:23.54 | Heaven|school | jm_, :) |
| 10:23.55 | directhex|work | raz0r, depends on the install cd you have. i don't know, i've not had to do it |
| 10:24.02 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: ping |
| 10:24.04 | ricky_clarkson | ENO_DPKG |
| 10:24.05 | raz0r | directhex|work: Ok |
| 10:24.25 | Heaven|school | PerfDave, a FRIEND OF MINE HAD INSTALLED SO CALLED DEBIAN SID |
| 10:24.27 | Heaven|school | I DON'T KNOW |
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| 10:24.34 | ricky_clarkson | Heaven|school: Stop shouting. |
| 10:24.38 | simonrvn | stop fucking yelling |
| 10:24.39 | Heaven|school | kk |
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| 10:25.05 | ricky_clarkson | I know (hope) we're thousands of miles away but you don't have to shout at us. |
| 10:25.42 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Are you being pedantic about capitalisation of SID? |
| 10:25.49 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Partly, yes. |
| 10:26.03 | directhex|work | ricky_clarkson, mostly he's saying 'don;t run sid, run sarge' |
| 10:26.13 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: Someone of your stature doesn't need to be pedantic. |
| 10:26.39 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: I think (b) was also important. |
| 10:26.45 | krissiboy | Hi, how to bind eth0 to my realtec ? I have pcmcia and wlan (!!!not always working!!!) which always want to use eth0 and eth1. |
| 10:26.55 | PerfDave | krissiboy: ifrename |
| 10:27.15 | jm_ | or nameif |
| 10:27.32 | paulswm | Well, I don't think it's fair, I said unstable == unstable a few days ago and got the crap beat out of me because apparently unstable doesn't really mean unstable, I think PerfDave ought to catch it too :-P |
| 10:27.55 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Who 'beat the crap out of you'? |
| 10:28.02 | krissiboy | ok, does that not only say eth0=eth1 in /etc/network/devices (or so) ? |
| 10:28.06 | directhex|work | i don;t know, i run sid on this box and i'd definitely term it unstable |
| 10:28.15 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: can't remember, a couple of the regulars |
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| 10:28.36 | ricky_clarkson | unstable is unstable because it keeps changing. |
| 10:28.54 | simonrvn | the unstable partly applies to the s/w itself ;) |
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| 10:29.03 | PerfDave | krissiboy: According to the package description, it will allow you to have your PCMCIA card always as eth0, and your wireless as eth1, or whatever you want. |
| 10:29.05 | simonrvn | (not always though) |
| 10:29.14 | paulswm | ricky_clarkson: and because sometimes things break |
| 10:29.33 | directhex|work | /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.postinst: line 111: 32408 Segmentation fault update-rc.d "$THIS_PACKAGE" defaults 99 01 >/dev/null |
| 10:29.39 | directhex|work | "bah", as they say |
| 10:30.02 | simonrvn | defaults 99 01? |
| 10:30.22 | krissiboy | ok thanks a lot perfdave ! I have only cygwin in front of me, at the moment |
| 10:30.42 | directhex|work | simonrvn, don't look at me, look at the kdm or amd64 folks |
| 10:30.44 | simonrvn | ah ok. it is valid |
| 10:30.59 | simonrvn | directhex|work: probably 64 bit issue |
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| 10:31.35 | directhex|work | simonrvn, it was fine before, though it's just a little bitch at the bottom of an aptitude upgrade, and i use gdm anyway, so i'm in no hurry to fix it |
| 10:31.46 | simonrvn | nods |
| 10:31.48 | directhex|work | hm, i have a spare full stop here, who wants it? |
| 10:31.56 | herodes | i am trying to connect to my just created listener oracle. When i try to connect to, i am said: linux reject conexion. I added into /etc/services a line: oracle 1521/tcp and restart xinetd. No succes. |
| 10:32.02 | simonrvn | you need it |
| 10:32.05 | bob2 | hahahahahaha |
| 10:32.09 | bob2 | oracle uses xinetd? |
| 10:32.09 | bob2 | hahaha |
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| 10:32.25 | bal00 | hi all |
| 10:32.28 | directhex|work | that's not the most helpful you've ever been, bob2 |
| 10:32.28 | simonrvn | mother fucker... |
| 10:32.30 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: Wasn't unstable named unstable since before it first broke? ;) |
| 10:32.32 | paulswm | directhex|work: we don't use full stops in US, we use periods |
| 10:32.38 | bal00 | I'm getting this problem wile using samba + ldap |
| 10:32.39 | bob2 | directhex|work: I'm easily amused |
| 10:32.46 | directhex|work | paulswm, sounds messy |
| 10:32.48 | ricky_clarkson | paulswm: You delimit your sentences in blood? |
| 10:32.56 | paulswm | eeew |
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| 10:33.10 | bal00 | User hgarcia in passdb, but getpwnam() fails |
| 10:33.17 | directhex|work | @win ricky_clarkson |
| 10:33.18 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:33.19 | ravenbird | Congratulations, ricky_clarkson! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 10:33.23 | herodes | bob2: if knew, i should not ask you |
| 10:33.25 | bal00 | I have nss-ldap installed and working |
| 10:33.28 | bal00 | any ideas?? |
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| 10:33.32 | ricky_clarkson | ravenbird: send it to ricky.clarkson@gmail.com with all the rest. |
| 10:33.34 | ravenbird | ricky_clarkson: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 10:34.25 | ricky_clarkson | ravenbird: me neither |
| 10:34.27 | ravenbird | That's ok then. |
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| 10:34.38 | simonrvn | herodes: try stop, then start. xinetd has a bug |
| 10:34.39 | AciD | hey |
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| 10:38.09 | simonrvn | ravenbird: send it to ricky.clarkson@gmail.com with all the rest. |
| 10:38.13 | ricky_clarkson | Yay, somebody copied and pasted their /etc/shadow file into a document for me. |
| 10:38.14 | jethro | howdi |
| 10:38.17 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 10:38.26 | neenee | directhex|work: back |
| 10:38.29 | neenee | oops |
| 10:38.31 | neenee | back |
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| 10:38.48 | simonrvn | ravenbird: W. T. F.? |
| 10:38.50 | ravenbird | simonrvn: I give up, what is it? |
| 10:38.54 | hairy_potter | ricky_clarkson! |
| 10:38.55 | simonrvn | ricky_clarkson: ^^^ |
| 10:38.56 | ricky_clarkson | @send it to microsoft |
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| 10:39.06 | hairy_potter | ricky_clarkson: long time no see |
| 10:39.32 | ricky_clarkson | Yahoo! It's hairy_potter! |
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| 10:39.59 | SlayerXP | not the Y-word please |
| 10:40.00 | ricky_clarkson | hairy_potter: Belated happy Ramadan. |
| 10:40.03 | hairy_potter | ricky_clarkson: whats up? aren't you with the .uk (univ) anymore? |
| 10:40.08 | ricky_clarkson | hairy_potter: Yes. |
| 10:40.27 | hairy_potter | ricky_clarkson: eh? Ramadan? thanks, anyway. |
| 10:40.35 | ricky_clarkson | hairy_potter: You're Indian aren't you? |
| 10:40.47 | hairy_potter | ricky_clarkson: not all indians celebrate Ramadan. Its a muslim festival. |
| 10:40.50 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: india != muslim |
| 10:40.59 | ricky_clarkson | I meant Diwali. |
| 10:41.01 | ricky_clarkson | Duh. |
| 10:41.02 | hairy_potter | heh |
| 10:41.13 | hairy_potter | ~lart ricky_clarkson |
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| 10:42.13 | hairy_potter | ricky_clarkson: so ricky_clarkson is in the US of A now? |
| 10:42.26 | Guerin | umm |
| 10:42.27 | possie | how can i see what the current resolution of my X window is ? |
| 10:42.33 | Guerin | nttbomk |
| 10:42.36 | ricky_clarkson | hairy_potter: I'm in the GB of R (GBR). |
| 10:43.09 | ricky_clarkson | hairy_potter: I see. You're believing in the fallacies of /whois. |
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| 10:43.14 | jm_ | possie: xdpyinfo |
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| 10:43.34 | paulswm | herodes: suggest you check Oracle installation guide or google, it's an Oracle issue by the look of it |
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| 10:43.59 | Na | is there a way to get a ftp or http file to your server from a shell command instead of downloading and then uploading via ftp? |
| 10:43.59 | hairy_potter | ricky_clarkson: heh |
| 10:44.13 | hairy_potter | Na: wget |
| 10:44.16 | bob2 | you mean something like wget? |
| 10:44.24 | possie | jw_: thanks |
| 10:44.26 | hairy_potter | Na: (lynx|links) -source |
| 10:44.26 | Na | guess so |
| 10:44.50 | Coke | I use ISO-8859-1 as character set for my locale, yet I cannot find a specification on it from the ISO site, where would I get such information? |
| 10:44.58 | Na | ok thanks |
| 10:45.00 | hairy_potter | Na: or even 'dog' (man dog) |
| 10:45.41 | paulswm | Coke: man ISO-8859-1 |
| 10:46.29 | Coke | paulswm: is that information available on ISO's site? |
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| 10:46.37 | paulswm | Coke: I don't know |
| 10:46.55 | Coke | paulswm: well, I can't use the man page, I have to refer to a http/ftp link. |
| 10:47.09 | hairy_potter | what is a good way of having a automatic-failover database? One way I can think of is to run something like nagios and make it modify the NS records. I'm not quite happy with that solution, though. |
| 10:47.11 | Coke | paulswm: I found the standard on iso.org, but they want me to BUY it, I can't view it. |
| 10:47.25 | hairy_potter | ~do a line of Coke |
| 10:47.27 | apt | ACTION does a line of Coke. |
| 10:47.32 | bob2 | hairy_potter: postgres has failover-y replication stuff |
| 10:47.34 | Coke | hairy_potter: sql-relay, if it's a client/server sql. |
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| 10:47.48 | Nikos | hello, anyone use DOVECOT+MYSQL pop3auth ? |
| 10:48.03 | hairy_potter | bob2, Coke: sorry, I should have said "MySQL" db failover :) |
| 10:48.05 | Coke | Nikos: I think so. |
| 10:48.10 | bob2 | ah |
| 10:48.14 | hairy_potter | Coke: will look into sql-relay. thanks :) |
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| 10:48.24 | Nikos | Coke: oh :) |
| 10:48.33 | Nikos | Coke; can you help me, i cannot deal with them for auth :) |
| 10:48.41 | Coke | Nikos: no, I cannot help you. |
| 10:48.48 | Nikos | Coke : fial . |
| 10:48.53 | Coke | Nikos: I don't even know what dovecot is. |
| 10:49.06 | Nikos | Coke: don't answer next time then, ty |
| 10:49.19 | Coke | Nikos: why not? I think that somebody does use it. |
| 10:49.32 | Coke | Nikos: don't ask stupid questions that you don't really want an answer for next time. |
| 10:50.03 | tuxy17 | hi |
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| 10:50.24 | bytecolor | praise gawd, I got nvidias driver installed with sarge 2.6.8 |
| 10:50.41 | hairy_potter | gawd: no such nick |
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| 10:50.55 | bytecolor | heh |
| 10:51.07 | directhex|work | bytecolor, and that was hard? |
| 10:51.10 | bytecolor | ya know, it's the little things that matter |
| 10:51.25 | bytecolor | directhex|work, well, it would not install with 2.4.x |
| 10:51.32 | bytecolor | the default sarge kernel |
| 10:51.37 | bytecolor | .7 I think |
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| 10:51.51 | directhex|work | bytecolor, you didn't use nvidia-installer did you? |
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| 10:52.09 | paulswm | Coke: yeah, it's not just ISO - I wanted the Codasyl database spec some years ago, and same thing even though the spec is ancient, been unable to find a bootleg copy anywhere |
| 10:52.12 | bytecolor | directhex|work, I dowloaded a binary from nvidia |
| 10:52.21 | directhex|work | gah |
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| 10:52.31 | directhex|work | !nvidia-installer |
| 10:52.35 | directhex|work | oh, fuck you dpkg |
| 10:52.42 | bytecolor | heh |
| 10:52.47 | hairy_potter | directhex|work: s/!/~/ |
| 10:53.01 | directhex|work | it's a very recent factoid, doubt apt has it |
| 10:53.05 | directhex|work | ~nvidia-installer |
| 10:53.11 | directhex|work | see |
| 10:53.17 | hairy_potter | directhex|work: doesn't even reply to me |
| 10:53.32 | hairy_potter | apt doesn't know manners |
| 10:53.39 | hairy_potter | apt is dead |
| 10:53.48 | bytecolor | long live apt! |
| 10:53.49 | directhex|work | bytecolor, anyway, if you use nvidia-installer, it places files on top of other files handled by dpkg - such that any slight change in those packages can cause either the package, or nvidia, or both, to break |
| 10:54.09 | Bogaurd | ok, ive just done this woody installation, and installed roaring penguin pppoe. i can connect to my isp just fine, but i dont seem to be able to send or recieve any data |
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| 10:54.11 | Coke | paulswm: bootleg? open and free specs should be open and free. I can't beleive that a respected organisation like ISO wouldn't have the specs available for download for free. |
| 10:54.30 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: route and all that is setup fine? |
| 10:54.31 | Bogaurd | would there be a reason for this? is it default behaviour to not allow connections to or from the net? |
| 10:54.34 | bytecolor | ok, so I'm golden, as I didnt use nvidia-installer... or did I? |
| 10:54.44 | directhex|work | bytecolor, nvidia-installer is great for people with no package manager like slackware users, or people with no adequate package manager like rpm users, but sucks on debian |
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| 10:55.04 | bytecolor | ok |
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| 10:55.10 | directhex|work | bytecolor, nvidia-installer is nvidia's gpl'd installation program, which they package with assorted precompiled headers & stick for download on nvidia.com |
| 10:55.11 | Bogaurd | hairy_potter, i assume so, the box just connects to the modem via pppoe... is there anything else to setup? |
| 10:55.24 | Coke | paulswm: ISO is all corporate. |
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| 10:55.42 | tess | hello ... |
| 10:56.00 | tess | i got problem running a newly apt-get installed mysql 4.1a |
| 10:56.01 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: I haven't used pppoe ever. but I would check to see what is the p-t-p host, try to ping it. see the routing table, etc.,. |
| 10:56.11 | paulswm | Bogaurd: what happens if you ping www.debian.org? |
| 10:56.17 | tess | is there a bug in this unstable package? |
| 10:56.17 | Bogaurd | ive tried to ping a whole bucn of stuff |
| 10:56.30 | Bogaurd | nothing works unless its on the local lan |
| 10:56.34 | PerfDave | tess: Almost certainly, if it's an unstable package. Have you checked the BTS? |
| 10:56.34 | valdyn_ | bytecolor: if you reboot, and the boot process hangs at something like Nvidia fixing TLS whatever, then you'll know that the nvidia installer fucked something |
| 10:56.38 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: are you able to ping the peer? |
| 10:56.43 | bob2 | tess: it'd be on http://bugs.debian.org/mysql-server if there was |
| 10:56.56 | Bogaurd | hairy_potter - the peer? |
| 10:57.01 | tess | bob2, ok.. ill check it out |
| 10:57.10 | bytecolor | valdyn_, I rebooted and nothing hung, but the module didnt load... checking |
| 10:57.14 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: the 'p' in 'ppp' :) |
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| 10:57.28 | Bogaurd | ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol |
| 10:57.28 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.36 | Bogaurd | yes, i can ping that ptp IP |
| 10:57.37 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: yep. the P-t-P ip. |
| 10:57.40 | directhex|work | bytecolor, likely to be a recent udev-related issue. echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules |
| 10:57.45 | valdyn_ | bytecolor: yea it doesn't necessarily break anything serious but it may happen |
| 10:57.50 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: then what does route -n say? |
| 10:58.05 | directhex|work | bytecolor, and valdyn_ is spot on. it might not break YET, but that's no guarantee of anything in the future |
| 10:58.08 | paulswm | mask 255.255.255.255? |
| 10:58.12 | Bogaurd | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 10:58.12 | Bogaurd | 203.16.215.216 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 ppp0 |
| 10:58.12 | Bogaurd | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 10:58.12 | Bogaurd | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.2 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
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| 10:58.16 | hairy_potter | heh |
| 10:58.18 | valdyn_ | bytecolor: like if xlibmesa-gl gets update or something like that, i never cared to figure out the real reason |
| 10:58.23 | hairy_potter | i knew that was going to happen :) |
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| 10:58.26 | GenX | hi. |
| 10:58.32 | GenX | how to change directory group? |
| 10:58.33 | Bogaurd | its only 4 lines :\ |
| 10:58.36 | directhex|work | valdyn_, that's one of the main reasons |
| 10:58.41 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: still :) |
| 10:58.46 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: join #flood |
| 10:58.50 | Bogaurd | ok |
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| 10:59.34 | bytecolor | rebooting.. |
| 10:59.56 | directhex|work | bytecolor, why, specifically? |
| 11:00.23 | bytecolor | directhex|work, to make sure I get a clean boot |
| 11:00.31 | hairy_potter | GenX: what do you mean by 'directory group'? |
| 11:00.59 | bytecolor | DHCP is still fubar, but I'll deal with that later |
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| 11:01.33 | valdyn_ | bytecolor: nvidia-installer overwrite a file that is managed by apt-get, there shouldn't be issues before apt-get in turn overwrites that file again |
| 11:01.35 | bytecolor | yea, booted right into the 'burn-your-eyeballs-out' nvidia screen :) |
| 11:01.53 | chealer | bytecolor: what went wrong in your try on 2.4? |
| 11:02.02 | directhex|work | chealer, nvidia-installer did |
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| 11:02.17 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: all you will have to do is to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:02.17 | Bogaurd | hairy_potter, this is a fresh system |
| 11:02.18 | bytecolor | chealer, ummm, said it couldnt compile, I forget the exact msg |
| 11:02.35 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: and remove the gateway line. the rest will take care of itself. |
| 11:02.47 | Bogaurd | hairy_potter, i already did that :( |
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| 11:03.15 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: its not possible then that your gw can be wrong. |
| 11:03.15 | bytecolor | man, 'desktop' installs 8 tons of useless shite |
| 11:03.26 | Bogaurd | hairy_potter: gw? |
| 11:03.32 | Bogaurd | oh |
| 11:03.34 | bytecolor | think I might redo the install from scratch |
| 11:03.34 | Bogaurd | gatewya' |
| 11:03.35 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: gateway. |
| 11:03.41 | directhex|work | bytecolor, needing to add nvidia to /etc/modules is a dirty solution to a usability issue nobody will claim responsibility for. best i have is bug 288675 against nvidia-kernel-common |
| 11:04.04 | directhex|work | bytecolor, the bug report explains the problem |
| 11:04.08 | bytecolor | directhex|work, nod |
| 11:04.26 | Bogaurd | argh |
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| 11:04.34 | Bogaurd | i put down my network interface |
| 11:04.35 | directhex|work | bytecolor, also, don't do a 'desktop environemnt' install with tasksel, install 'x-window-system gdm $yourfavouritewm' |
| 11:04.38 | Bogaurd | which i was connected with :P |
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| 11:04.51 | directhex|work | bytecolor, and if you reinstall, don't use nvidia-installer, come here for counsel |
| 11:05.01 | toresbe | What is the endianness of the i386? |
| 11:05.08 | directhex|work | little |
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| 11:05.13 | bytecolor | directhex|work, yea, I generally use icewm, and do a custom install |
| 11:05.17 | toresbe | okay, thanks |
| 11:05.26 | bytecolor | I might live with this for a while |
| 11:05.48 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/ |
| 11:05.51 | Bogaurd | hairy_potter: all that was required was a restart of eth1 |
| 11:05.55 | PerfDave | Nothing inherently wrong with the desktop environment task, it just installs Gnome when nobody in their right mind wants it ;) |
| 11:06.14 | directhex|work | PerfDave, less of the kde advocacy thanks |
| 11:06.14 | Guerin | and kde when nobody in their left mind wants that |
| 11:06.16 | Bogaurd | hairy_potter, thanks, but its working a charm now :) |
| 11:06.23 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: np :) |
| 11:06.44 | bytecolor | heh, I've actually got gnome and kde installed |
| 11:06.54 | bytecolor | kde is do pretty! |
| 11:07.02 | directhex|work | no, it's not >_< |
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| 11:07.08 | bytecolor | ... and slow |
| 11:07.08 | paulswm | Well I consider myself in my right mind and I use Gnome and metacity, gotta agree about kde though |
| 11:07.09 | Guerin | !start a de war |
| 11:07.15 | paulswm | heh |
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| 11:07.20 | hairy_potter | Guerin: its dead |
| 11:07.28 | Guerin | dpkg is? |
| 11:07.29 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: What, like WWI and WWII? |
| 11:07.31 | hairy_potter | lets all do the co-ordinated silence once again |
| 11:07.34 | directhex|work | @start a de war |
| 11:07.36 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: heh. |
| 11:07.43 | directhex|work | bah, ravenbird sucks |
| 11:07.51 | hairy_potter | @suck |
| 11:07.51 | directhex|work | maybe we can recruit Piggy |
| 11:07.52 | ravenbird | suck is probably an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 11:08.02 | toresbe | so when file says "MSB executable", it's talking about what endianness...? |
| 11:08.05 | hairy_potter | directhex|work: it doesn't, no? |
| 11:08.33 | toresbe | hairy_potter: Oh, how I envy you :P |
| 11:09.15 | paulswm | toresbe: big endian I think, 386 executables say LSB |
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| 11:10.32 | hairy_potter | MIPS is big-endian. its where "toresb" is stored as "toresb" and not "to sbre" |
| 11:11.10 | s-toned | What can I do to kill a programme if it ignores kill -9? |
| 11:11.15 | toresbe | paulswm: mmkay, thanks - what a silly way of putting it - there are "MSB||LSB"? But where are those two butytes? |
| 11:11.26 | hairy_potter | s-toned: pray to god that it dies by itself |
| 11:11.45 | hairy_potter | s-toned: is it a 'zombie'? |
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| 11:11.52 | tess | has anyone just apt-get installed mysql-server-4.1 and ran into trouble when starting it? |
| 11:12.02 | hairy_potter | tess: dont ask N times. |
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| 11:12.07 | s-toned | hairy_potter: I read this as 'nothing' then |
| 11:12.07 | jethro | !anyone |
| 11:12.14 | toresbe | paulswm: I prefer my stuff PDP-endian :) |
| 11:12.34 | paulswm | s-toned: does top or ps say it's <defunct> |
| 11:12.36 | tess | hairy_potter, just twice. :) i cant find in bugs. site |
| 11:12.43 | PerfDave | tess: So report a bug |
| 11:12.49 | toresbe | mmkay, thanks for the help |
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| 11:13.11 | hairy_potter | toresbe: for a while I thought 'mmkay' was a nick. |
| 11:13.12 | tess | PerfDave: not sure if this is a bug |
| 11:13.21 | hairy_potter | tess: what happens? |
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| 11:14.01 | toresbe | hairy_potter: Hehehe :) |
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| 11:14.19 | PerfDave | MySQL is a bug by definition ;) |
| 11:14.28 | tess | hairy_potter: i just apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 and when i /etc/init.d/mysq start .. it just wont run the message is: |
| 11:14.29 | s-toned | paulswm: no, but I might have the wrong parameters |
| 11:14.31 | tess | tarting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 11:14.32 | tess | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:14.48 | luctor | what does a .m3u file contain ? |
| 11:14.50 | PerfDave | tess: Did you take a look at the syslog? |
| 11:14.51 | Logic|off|r00t | so is there a high mem kernel for debian? |
| 11:15.02 | PerfDave | luctor: Plain text, I think - it's a winamp / xmms playlist |
| 11:15.04 | bytecolor | wasn't harry potter the colonel on m*a*s*h, too? |
| 11:15.05 | tess | PerfDave: yep .. |
| 11:15.30 | s-toned | paulswm: ps a says STAT is D |
| 11:15.37 | tess | mysql.log says: |
| 11:15.38 | tess | usr/sbin/mysqld, Version: 4.1.8a-Debian_1-log. started with: |
| 11:15.38 | tess | Tcp port: 3306 Unix socket: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 11:15.38 | tess | Time Id Command Argument |
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| 11:15.49 | DerJamster | Ding ding. |
| 11:15.54 | tess | not too descriptive |
| 11:15.59 | Lord-Phoenix | hi, i have a question about the seemingly most recent debian unstable update and libflac4 / libtunepimp ... does anyone else here know what i'm talking about? |
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| 11:16.03 | tess | ooopd |
| 11:16.05 | tess | oops |
| 11:16.07 | luctor | PerfDave: grip created it when ripping a cd |
| 11:16.31 | hairy_potter | Lord-Phoenix: probably |
| 11:16.34 | paulswm | toresbe: you ever wonder about file, take a look at /usr/share/misc/file/magic, it's kind of interesting |
| 11:16.59 | toresbe | paulswm: I did recently, actually :) |
| 11:17.16 | toresbe | paulswm: I had a hunch on a reference made in "UNIX wars" |
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| 11:17.18 | Lord-Phoenix | hairy_potter: libtunepimp got uninstalled coz it requires libflac4, which got uninstalled coz it seems to conflict with everything else |
| 11:17.44 | Lord-Phoenix | hairy_potter: so now amarok and juk, don't work, help! |
| 11:17.47 | hairy_potter | Lord-Phoenix: I said 'probably' because you asked "does anyone". that doesn't mean I know what you are talking about. |
| 11:17.56 | DerJamster | Lord-Phoenix: it installed libflac6, right? |
| 11:18.11 | Lord-Phoenix | DerJamster, yes |
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| 11:18.13 | DerJamster | Lord-Phoenix: ln -s /usr/lib/libFLAS.so.6 /usr/lib/libFLAC.so.4 |
| 11:18.20 | DerJamster | just make a symlink, that works. |
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| 11:18.54 | Lord-Phoenix | DerJamster: can i force libtunepimp to install? |
| 11:19.00 | DerJamster | Not sure. |
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| 11:19.17 | s-toned | paulswm: STAT D means unbreakable sleep, hmm |
| 11:19.19 | paulswm | s-toned: man ps will tell you: D uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 11:19.21 | paulswm | heh |
| 11:19.55 | paulswm | s-toned: I assume it's an application rather than a system process |
| 11:20.23 | Lord-Phoenix | how can i force apt-get to install a package? |
| 11:20.25 | s-toned | paulswm: it is a umount, and now the mount point is gone... |
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| 11:20.34 | Lord-Phoenix | without meeting its dependencies? |
| 11:21.10 | PerfDave | Lord-Phoenix: You almost certainly don't want to do that. What are you trying to achieve? |
| 11:21.22 | Lord-Phoenix | PerfDave: i wanna install libtunepimp2 |
| 11:21.30 | s-toned | paulswm: so I think I'd better boot? |
| 11:21.48 | PerfDave | Lord-Phoenix: So install it. |
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| 11:21.52 | nullvoid | how can I convert a unix file to dos file since I have problem with enter carrige |
| 11:22.00 | hairy_potter | s-toned: if booting isn't an issue. |
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| 11:22.09 | Lord-Phoenix | PerfDave: it depends on libflac4 which seems to have been supplanted by libflac6 |
| 11:22.24 | directhex|work | Lord-Phoenix, file a bug |
| 11:22.25 | s-toned | hairy_potter: well, then.. |
| 11:22.28 | paulswm | s-toned: you could always try recreating the mount point, or going to single user mode to see if that'll clear it, but if it were me, I'd prolly reboot |
| 11:22.30 | PerfDave | Lord-Phoenix: Are you running unstable perchance? |
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| 11:22.38 | Lord-Phoenix | PerfDave: yes |
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| 11:22.49 | bytecolor | unix2dos/dos2unix |
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| 11:22.54 | hehaho | hello |
| 11:23.06 | PerfDave | Lord-Phoenix: Hmm. You're running unstable, you're suprised by broken dependencies and you don't know how to fix them? I'd suggest reinstalling with Sarge, myself. |
| 11:23.08 | Lord-Phoenix | directhex|work: wheres do i submit bugs for unstable tree? |
| 11:23.17 | PerfDave | Lord-Phoenix: You submit bugs in the BTS. |
| 11:23.19 | hehaho | can someone guide me in installing of linux? |
| 11:23.27 | hairy_potter | hehaho: sure |
| 11:23.29 | bytecolor | in pkg sysutils |
| 11:23.30 | Lord-Phoenix | PerfDave: i could install from source, but that just makes a mess |
| 11:23.32 | PerfDave | hehaho: We can guide you in installing Debian :) |
| 11:23.40 | hehaho | thx alot |
| 11:23.45 | directhex|work | Lord-Phoenix, you install 'reportbug' and run it |
| 11:23.45 | PerfDave | Lord-Phoenix: Submit a bug, wait for it to be fixed. |
| 11:23.48 | hehaho | so how do i start installing? |
| 11:23.59 | hairy_potter | hehaho: firstly, did you look at the 'doc' directory in your debian CD? |
| 11:24.01 | directhex|work | hehaho, you get install media, and boot it |
| 11:24.07 | PerfDave | hehaho: Which version of Debian are you trying to install? |
| 11:24.13 | hehaho | the latest |
| 11:24.14 | directhex|work | hehaho, is this for a desktop, debian machine? |
| 11:24.17 | PerfDave | hehaho: Which version of Debian are you trying to install? |
| 11:24.18 | hehaho | desktop |
| 11:24.28 | PerfDave | hehaho: You might start off by looking at http://www.debian.org/ |
| 11:24.31 | hehaho | perfdave: the latest one |
| 11:24.41 | hehaho | Perfdave: i tried that already |
| 11:24.43 | PerfDave | hehaho: The latest released version? |
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| 11:24.48 | hehaho | Perfdave: yes |
| 11:24.57 | PerfDave | hehaho: Or the latest available version? |
| 11:25.00 | hairy_potter | hehaho: what do you mean by "the latest"? |
| 11:25.17 | paulswm | hehaho: there are threee distrobutions, which one you use depends on for what you are going to use the machine |
| 11:25.28 | directhex|work | hehaho, visit http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03OTM= and work through that. |
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| 11:25.37 | PerfDave | directhex|work: You bastard! ;) |
| 11:25.37 | hehaho | the file i downloaded is named sarge i386 |
| 11:25.48 | PerfDave | hehaho: Right, so you need the Sarge installation manual. |
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| 11:25.59 | hehaho | hmm |
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| 11:26.03 | directhex|work | PerfDave, it's an adequate guide for this grade of user |
| 11:26.11 | PerfDave | hehaho: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ |
| 11:26.25 | PerfDave | hehaho: Between the Sarge install manual and hexxeh's guide, you should be OK |
| 11:26.34 | Ireul | hi |
| 11:26.47 | mooded | hi all.. anybody used mailman+qmail ? (and knows where to find the "mail-in.py" referenced in ~mailman/.qmail-default ?) |
| 11:26.52 | neenee | hi ireul |
| 11:27.02 | hehaho | Perfdave: hexxeh's page shows nothing |
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| 11:27.12 | Ireul | please, I've got a problem with updates for unstable... Using apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade found 0 upgrades!!! |
| 11:27.30 | hehaho | Perfdave: i went through that already |
| 11:27.32 | DerJamster | Ireul: so..there are no upgrades avaiable currently. |
| 11:27.39 | hehaho | Perfdave: but i can make no sense of it |
| 11:27.44 | hairy_potter | Ireul: are you sure your /etc/apt/sources.list is fine? |
| 11:27.50 | jethro | hehaho: then you won't install debian |
| 11:27.53 | Ireul | hairy_potter: yes |
| 11:27.56 | directhex|work | hehaho, works fine here. make sure you get all the url, including the = |
| 11:27.59 | PerfDave | hehaho: The link http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03OTM= works fine for me. |
| 11:28.07 | Ireul | hairy_potter: it worked before a week |
| 11:28.16 | hehaho | Perfdave: i tried booting from cdrom |
| 11:28.17 | PerfDave | hehaho: What part are you having trouble understanding? Have you tried just booting the CD and following the instructions? |
| 11:28.24 | hairy_potter | Ireul: probably that there is really no upgrades :) |
| 11:28.30 | hehaho | Perfdave: but it says boot fail |
| 11:28.46 | directhex|work | hehaho, you downloaded the sarge iso. what did you do with it? |
| 11:28.50 | DerJamster | Must...update...now... |
| 11:28.53 | neenee | not as addictive as emerge -e system :P |
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| 11:28.57 | PerfDave | hehaho: Then either your download is corrupt, or it was a bad burn. |
| 11:29.05 | bytecolor | I've never used upgrade |
| 11:29.07 | hehaho | i burned it twice |
| 11:29.10 | hairy_potter | neenee: emerge is that thing for gentoo, right? |
| 11:29.13 | neenee | yea |
| 11:29.14 | bytecolor | use update a lot though :) |
| 11:29.15 | neenee | :) |
| 11:29.18 | Ireul | hairy_potter: but there was upgrades everyday!!! |
| 11:29.20 | neenee | i use dist-upgrade a lot |
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| 11:29.38 | ricky_clarkson | I haven't dist-upgraded in ages, in sid. |
| 11:29.39 | directhex|work | hehaho, got your install cd to hand? |
| 11:29.43 | PerfDave | hehaho: Did you check the md5sum of the ISO? |
| 11:29.46 | ricky_clarkson | I tend to just install new stuff that I want. |
| 11:29.52 | neenee | i made: alias deep='apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade ; apt-get autoclean', which i run a lot |
| 11:29.54 | hairy_potter | ricky_clarkson: yeah. me too. |
| 11:30.03 | paulswm | jethro: heh, I did a bit of that, but decided that I didn't really need anything extra that was worth the time |
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| 11:30.20 | jethro | paulswm: I m bored so I considered playing with the AP firmware :) |
| 11:30.24 | neenee | and i run alias clean='debfoster ; deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge' a lot too |
| 11:30.25 | hehaho | Perfdave: wats that? |
| 11:30.30 | jethro | paulswm: is ther eany debian distro for the wrt? :) |
| 11:30.39 | PerfDave | hehaho: The md5sum will tell you whether the download is good. |
| 11:30.43 | neenee | what doses wrt mean |
| 11:30.45 | PerfDave | hehaho: What OS did you download the ISO in? |
| 11:30.46 | neenee | *does |
| 11:30.47 | hairy_potter | neenee: you should do apt-get dist-upgrade -y |
| 11:30.54 | jethro | neenee: wrt54g is a wireless AP |
| 11:30.55 | paulswm | jethro: not as far as I know, I was using the Linksys source tarball |
| 11:30.57 | jm_ | try dict wrt |
| 11:31.05 | neenee | hairy_potter: hm. no. i prefer to manually check things |
| 11:31.06 | jethro | jm_: I doubt it'll work :) |
| 11:31.09 | neenee | jethro: ok |
| 11:31.16 | directhex|work | hehaho, _HOW_ did you burn the cd? what was your exact procedure? |
| 11:31.16 | jm_ | jethro: it does work |
| 11:31.26 | Indal | hmm in the access.log for proftp if it says RMD "dir" i presume RMD is remove directory? |
| 11:31.32 | jethro | such a smart bot |
| 11:31.33 | hehaho | Perfdave: winxp |
| 11:31.52 | jethro | jm_: then it's not what I meant wrt to be |
| 11:32.04 | paulswm | jethro: have fun, try not to turn it into a pretty blue brick :) |
| 11:32.19 | jethro | paulswm: heh I ll try my best :) |
| 11:32.25 | hehaho | i burned the iso file |
| 11:32.27 | jm_ | jethro: ahh you meant the routers, I see |
| 11:32.41 | jethro | jm_: indeed |
| 11:32.54 | bytecolor | wankel redundant technology |
| 11:32.56 | neenee | hairy_potter: i set -y anyway. i somehow thought that that yes was for package notifications / config things instead of just the yes to get /install the packages |
| 11:32.56 | directhex|work | hehaho, using what software? do you have the cd you burnt handy - what files are on it? |
| 11:33.38 | hehaho | directhex: i used roxio 6, and the i burned the iso file |
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| 11:34.20 | directhex|work | hehaho, does your burnt CD have an isolinux.bin file on it? |
| 11:34.40 | hehaho | directhex: no |
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| 11:35.03 | directhex|work | hehaho, it just has sarge_whatever.iso on it doesn't it |
| 11:35.13 | hehaho | directhex: yes |
| 11:35.17 | directhex|work | PerfDave, i win |
| 11:35.17 | jm_ | heh |
| 11:35.20 | hehaho | must i put a file in it? |
| 11:35.23 | resiak | !win directhex|work |
| 11:35.26 | directhex|work | hehaho, no. |
| 11:35.32 | hehaho | k |
| 11:35.50 | directhex|work | hehaho, a .iso file is a CD image. it contaions a lot of files. to use an iso file, it must be burnt AS a disk image, not as a file |
| 11:35.52 | hehaho | directhex: then wat steps must i do to make the cdrom bootable |
| 11:36.00 | PerfDave | directhex|work: dAMN YOU, YOU DO WIN :) |
| 11:36.02 | directhex|work | hehaho, usually there's a 'burn image[ option in the file menu of cd writing apps |
| 11:36.04 | PerfDave | Gah, caps |
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| 11:36.17 | hehaho | directhex: let me check |
| 11:36.22 | ricky_clarkson | @info rwho |
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| 11:36.48 | directhex|work | hehaho, you need to burn the iso file to disk, that is the iso's contents should be the disk's contents - you should never have a situation where you have a blank cd containing a .iso |
| 11:36.49 | ricky_clarkson | Yay, imaginary program alert. |
| 11:37.08 | hehaho | directhex: erm...how do i do that? |
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| 11:37.23 | directhex|work | hehaho, using the appropriate option in your cd burning application |
| 11:37.32 | directhex|work | hehaho, you need to find the option to burn a disk image. |
| 11:37.37 | hairy_potter | hehaho: its as simple as doing dd if=iso-image-file of=/dev/hdX, but we have a cultural difference and you wont understand what I'm saying. |
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| 11:37.59 | hehaho | directhex: i found a option to burn bootable image |
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| 11:38.06 | hehaho | but there is this emulation part |
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| 11:38.08 | TinoW | hi |
| 11:38.11 | directhex|work | hehaho, no no NO. |
| 11:38.13 | hehaho | wat do i choose? |
| 11:38.16 | hehaho | hmm |
| 11:38.25 | hairy_potter | hehaho: you dont have any other CD writing software? |
| 11:38.29 | bytecolor | interesting, kpovmodeler got installed, but povray didn't |
| 11:38.29 | directhex|work | hehaho, you're not making a data disk, you're burning a disk image |
| 11:38.30 | hehaho | directhex: no |
| 11:38.30 | TinoW | is there any other project then the not-yet-started http://sourceforge.net/projects/debian-bsd/ ? |
| 11:38.34 | hairy_potter | what must be an interface thats not helpful! |
| 11:38.40 | Qo-noS | hehaho: http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/howtoburn.html |
| 11:38.45 | directhex|work | hairy_potter, file, burn image... |
| 11:38.46 | hairy_potter | hehaho: and imagine, you will have to use 'vi' in the near future. |
| 11:38.52 | jethro | TinoW: it has started a while ago |
| 11:39.05 | paulswm | hehaho: read your cd burner software's help, look for how to burn from and iso or a cd image |
| 11:39.09 | TinoW | jethro: but did not release any files yet |
| 11:39.09 | jethro | TinoW: been based on netbsd and freebsd, I think the freebsd based one went farther |
| 11:39.19 | hehaho | directhex: i noe...i have found a option to burn a disc as a bootable disc....then now it says to emulate as a floppy or hd |
| 11:39.21 | PerfDave | Bah, I may have to install Windows again to get screenies for how to burn an ISO in Nero |
| 11:39.27 | TinoW | well, ideally I'd like the netbsd port :) |
| 11:39.28 | paulswm | hehaho: NO |
| 11:39.30 | resiak | hehaho: That's not the option! |
| 11:39.33 | directhex|work | PerfDave, but he uses easy cd creator 6 |
| 11:39.59 | TinoW | jethro: know resources? |
| 11:40.01 | directhex|work | hehaho, no, stop, wrong. just get to a damnable basic interface, click 'file' click 'burn image' |
| 11:40.20 | paulswm | hehaho: repeat: read your cd burner software's help, look for how to burn from an iso or a cd image, people do it all the time |
| 11:40.20 | hehaho | directhex: HUH? |
| 11:40.27 | jethro | TinoW: I m googling for the links I used to look at when I was playing with the debian/bsd |
| 11:40.36 | TinoW | jethro: thx |
| 11:40.39 | hairy_potter | hehaho: what happens when you double click on the ISO image file from "Windows Explorer"? |
| 11:40.40 | Qo-noS | hehaho: follow the instructions given to you here and in that guide I gave you awhile ago |
| 11:40.51 | directhex|work | hairy_potter, it opens in winrar, duh |
| 11:40.58 | hairy_potter | sucks |
| 11:40.59 | hehaho | mine not |
| 11:41.03 | hehaho | i cant read the iso file |
| 11:41.04 | hairy_potter | hehaho: ah nice |
| 11:41.09 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Yeah, but my Sarge install HOWTO will probably have to demonstrate using XP's built-in Roxio thing, Roxio itself and Nero, which are the three most common Windows CD burning applications. |
| 11:41.09 | hairy_potter | hehaho: ah sucks |
| 11:41.16 | TinoW | 2nd, is there any up-to-date installable psion linux? psilinux now seems to focus on pet-food :-) |
| 11:41.38 | jethro | TinoW: it looks as if it'd not been updated for 2 years |
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| 11:42.04 | TinoW | jethro: damnd ;) |
| 11:42.05 | directhex|work | hehaho, see this window? look remotely familiar? http://www.activewin.com/reviews/software/utils/roxio/ezcd6/images/2.jpg |
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| 11:42.16 | jethro | TinoW: w.d.o/ports/netbsd/ |
| 11:42.19 | directhex|work | resiak, you have ezcd6 running? |
| 11:42.32 | TinoW | jethro: w.d.o? |
| 11:42.37 | resiak | directhex|work: Well 5, but this menu can't be too different |
| 11:42.37 | jethro | !wdo |
| 11:42.44 | jethro | it's www.debian.org |
| 11:42.53 | hehaho | directhex: isit the option saying that record disc fromimage |
| 11:42.55 | hehaho | ? |
| 11:43.00 | directhex|work | hehaho, yes. |
| 11:43.01 | resiak | hehaho: YES! |
| 11:43.03 | Bogaurd | im running an almost untouched woody box. if i want to replace the default mail server with sendmail, will removing it and adding sendmail with apt-get be sufficent? |
| 11:43.12 | veleno | does grub or lilo support boot from raid-0 partition ? |
| 11:43.13 | hehaho | yeah:D |
| 11:43.18 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: It should be, yep |
| 11:43.28 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, cool :) |
| 11:43.39 | Bogaurd | the default is exim, right? |
| 11:43.42 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Yep |
| 11:43.48 | hehaho | ill try that |
| 11:43.48 | paulswm | heh, good job directhex|work |
| 11:43.49 | directhex|work | veleno, raided how exactly? |
| 11:43.50 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Just apt-get install sendmail and it should remove exim for you. |
| 11:43.50 | hehaho | thx alot |
| 11:43.59 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, thanks :) |
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| 11:44.15 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Any particular reason for using sendmail over exim? Exim's good for most purposes. |
| 11:44.17 | veleno | directhex|work: using mdadm. do you need the command line ? |
| 11:44.26 | paulswm | hehaho: you'll have to do it on a fresh cd of course |
| 11:44.51 | ToMMY2k | Im trying to compile a module but Im getting Unresolved symbols - depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.28/kernel/drivers/md/dm-mod.o etc etc, how do I go about fixing this? |
| 11:44.52 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, i am familar with sendmail, not with exim |
| 11:45.05 | directhex|work | paulswm, it's always one of two things if the iso isn't working: burning the .iso onto a blank disk as a file, or opening the iso in winrar (which winrar claims as the default action), and burning the files inside it to cd (without the bootable part which winrar conveniently ignores) |
| 11:45.16 | Bogaurd | is exim better in any way? |
| 11:45.19 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Fair enough. I found that the Exim configurator did everything I wanted so I've never had to touch the config files. |
| 11:45.22 | hehaho | can i use a cdrw? |
| 11:45.32 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: I don't know about "better", but I've never had any reason not to use it. |
| 11:45.32 | TinoW | Bogaurd: its much much easier to configure |
| 11:45.33 | directhex|work | ToMMY2k, unresolved symbols mean your sources don't match your kernel |
| 11:45.35 | directhex|work | hehaho, yes |
| 11:45.47 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, tinow, ok |
| 11:45.49 | hehaho | thx alot |
| 11:45.52 | hehaho | i go try it out now |
| 11:45.58 | Bogaurd | well i sorta just installed sendmail |
| 11:45.59 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Certainly if I could tweak the sendmail config on our legacy deadrat system as easily as I can reconfigure exim my life would be a happy place. |
| 11:46.04 | ToMMY2k | directhex|work: so recompile my kernel, install it, reboot and that should be it? |
| 11:46.06 | hairy_potter | Bogaurd: 'sorta'? |
| 11:46.12 | PerfDave | directhex|work: It could always be a corrupt download ;) |
| 11:46.16 | directhex|work | ToMMY2k, or get matching sources |
| 11:46.25 | directhex|work | PerfDave, pretty rare compared to the other two |
| 11:46.29 | paulswm | directhex|work: well of course it ignores the bootable option, it knows your prolly going to boot a non-MS OS, heh |
| 11:46.41 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Fair enough. It's happened to me, and I've never fucked up a burn like that ;) |
| 11:46.52 | ToMMY2k | directhex|work: Ill recompile, Im installing LVM2 and an IDE controller card |
| 11:47.53 | PerfDave | ToMMY2k: Have you got the kernel headers for your kernel installed, and are you compiling against them properly? Recompiling your kernel from source seems like overkill. |
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| 11:48.51 | ToMMY2k | kernel headers? Im by no means an experienced user here. Do you mean bzImage from the kernel compile installed in /boot? |
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| 11:49.05 | veleno | directhex|work: no ideas about raid ? should i switch to old raidtools so that i could boot from raid0 ? |
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| 11:49.27 | mythsmith | hi! is there a way to record an x session on mpeg or similar? |
| 11:49.30 | directhex|work | veleno, i'm not sure. i was always under the impression that /boot shouldn't be raided |
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| 11:50.06 | PerfDave | ToMMY2k: No |
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| 11:50.13 | veleno | directhex|work: what about /boot is in a raid-1 and everything else in raid-0 ? |
| 11:50.17 | PerfDave | ToMMY2k: You compiled your own kernel using "make bzImage"? Eww. |
| 11:51.03 | directhex|work | veleno, last i checked you certainly aren't supposed to use raid 1 on /boot. have you read any of the helpful howtos on LVM and MD in the debian install manuals? |
| 11:51.12 | ToMMY2k | it would be nice to use a debian package but Im trying to install device-mapper, LVM2 and an IDE controller card |
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| 11:51.38 | Bogaurd | ok, PerfDave, ive decided to go back to exim :) |
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| 11:51.50 | jm_ | mytshm;yes |
| 11:51.56 | The_Vulture | ToMMY2k: *coughmake-kpkgcough* |
| 11:52.02 | PerfDave | ToMMY2k: I don't see why you can't use Debian packages and do that. |
| 11:52.12 | ToMMY2k | this method has worked for me in the past, Ive upgraded countless times, but LVM2 seems to be giving me a headache |
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| 11:52.18 | Bogaurd | how can i run the exim configurator? |
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| 11:53.01 | jm_ | mytsm;yes |
| 11:53.04 | jm_ | gah |
| 11:53.05 | ToMMY2k | whats bad about using make bzImage |
| 11:53.29 | jm_ | mythsmith: try xvidcap |
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| 11:54.05 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: /sbin/eximconfig IIRC |
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| 11:54.20 | directhex|work | or dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:54.23 | directhex|work | or run base-config |
| 11:54.40 | Guerin | ToMMY2k: what's good about it? |
| 11:55.02 | Bogaurd | when i tried to go back to exim from sendmail, i got an error. it says it cannot remove sendmail |
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| 11:55.20 | jm_ | use apt-get install sendmail and it shall work just fine |
| 11:55.21 | resiak | ToMMY2k: If you read the Debian reference, you'll know that there's a nice Debian way to build new kernels. |
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| 11:55.34 | ToMMY2k | I have no idea :) Im just following various docs. Im looking at the make-kpkg docs now |
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| 11:55.47 | mythsmith | jm_, and how can I do? |
| 11:55.58 | jm_ | mythsmith: install it, read the docs |
| 11:56.23 | mythsmith | jm_, sorry, dind't read... ok! |
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| 11:56.34 | Bogaurd | jm_, sendmail is installed fine, but now i want to go back to exim... lol |
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| 11:56.48 | jm_ | Bogaurd: apt-get install exim |
| 11:56.50 | Bogaurd | when i apt-get install exim, i get a string of errors |
| 11:57.05 | jm_ | what kind of errors (don't paste)? |
| 11:57.09 | ToMMY2k | so essentially its the same as before, dl source, patch it, crease modules for it, then make-kpkg and install the kernel package |
| 11:57.17 | bytecolor | so... why would the sarge 2.4.7 kernel work with my NIC, but not the 2.6.8 |
| 11:57.22 | ToMMY2k | s/crease/create |
| 11:57.32 | Bogaurd | jm_, basically it says because exim is not yet installed, it cant remove sendmail |
| 11:57.41 | mythsmith | tnx jm_! bye ;) |
| 11:57.41 | Bogaurd | if i interpret it correctly |
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| 11:57.56 | jm_ | Bogaurd: well you can safely paste the error line, just not everything it spits out |
| 11:58.17 | bytecolor | ifconfig shows eth0, but dhclient fails, and ping returns 'network is unreachable' |
| 11:58.21 | Bogaurd | dpkg: error processing sendmail (--remove): |
| 11:58.21 | Bogaurd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:58.31 | rsff | Guys. Something happened with my Computer:/// in Gnome. Until yesterday, all was working fine. Now, all of the .desktop and .drive files on my desktop have turned into editable files intead of shortcuts. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 11:58.34 | subaruwrx | hi, ia64 is not amd64 right? |
| 11:58.36 | jm_ | well check BTS |
| 11:58.40 | jm_ | subaruwrx: right |
| 11:58.48 | directhex|work | subaruwrx, they're completely different |
| 11:58.49 | subaruwrx | is there a debian sarge for amd64? |
| 11:58.57 | directhex|work | subaruwrx, there's a debian sid for amd64 |
| 11:58.58 | bytecolor | ia intel architecture, no? |
| 11:58.59 | jm_ | try /msg dpkg amd64 |
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| 11:59.10 | directhex|work | subaruwrx, try #debian-amd64 |
| 11:59.15 | Bogaurd | jm_, no ideas? |
| 11:59.42 | jm_ | Bogaurd: check BTS |
| 11:59.42 | directhex|work | bytecolor, yes, but the i in i386 is intel, and assorted chips run that. and intel 64bit xeons are amd64 |
| 11:59.57 | Bogaurd | jm_, BTS? |
| 12:00.19 | neenee | hm |
| 12:00.24 | jm_ | Bogaurd: /msg dpkg bts |
| 12:00.42 | neenee | the xorg info was removed from dpkg (understandably, since the mirror mentioned is dead), but not from the topic? |
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| 12:00.53 | directhex|work | neenee, dpkg is dead |
| 12:01.08 | neenee | oh |
| 12:01.09 | directhex|work | neenee, happens. dpkg will return, after a message from our sponsors |
| 12:01.10 | neenee | okay |
| 12:01.19 | neenee | still, the xorg info it contains is outdated |
| 12:01.25 | neenee | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.35 | directhex|work | neenee, at least half the info it contains is outdated/invalid |
| 12:01.41 | neenee | i see.. |
| 12:01.43 | redluorg | can someone help me? i'm wondering how in linux, you can adjust the duplex and speed settings for an interface? |
| 12:01.46 | neenee | howcome? |
| 12:01.49 | neenee | can it not be updated? |
| 12:01.53 | hairy_potter | redluorg: ethtool |
| 12:01.58 | jm_ | redluorg: driver options, ethtool/mii-tools |
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| 12:02.26 | directhex|work | neenee, sure. you wanna go through tens of thousands of factoids & do it? |
| 12:02.39 | zygomatik | I have problems when using courier-imap with offlineimap : it complains about famd not properly configured. Could someone help me ? |
| 12:03.00 | rsff | redluorg, you mean, for an ethernet interface? Its usually done automatically. |
| 12:03.19 | rsff | isn't it? |
| 12:03.21 | neenee | directhex|work: well, i would not mind helping to update those topics that i have used and found outdated |
| 12:03.22 | sep | redluorg:mii tools ethconf or done with module parameters iirc |
| 12:03.27 | bytecolor | hrm, whats a 'sit0' interface? |
| 12:03.44 | directhex|work | bytecolor, ipv6 bridge |
| 12:03.58 | bytecolor | I dont recall seeing that before |
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| 12:04.14 | bytecolor | just eth0, and lo |
| 12:04.35 | directhex|work | bytecolor, perhaps you didn't have ipv6 modules before |
| 12:04.42 | neenee | hm. how would i specify C/XXFLAGS when compiling something manually? |
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| 12:04.48 | zapalotta | hello |
| 12:04.52 | neenee | hi zapalotta |
| 12:05.00 | bytecolor | hrm, I wonder if the 2.4.7 loads that |
| 12:05.10 | ToMMY2k | well using make-kpkg was painless enough |
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| 12:05.31 | zapalotta | where can I get the information what password will be used for the mysql-connection on the installation of bacula-director-mysql. There is no README.Debian |
| 12:05.45 | zapalotta | and apt-get install breaks with "Access denied" |
| 12:06.04 | subaruwrx | hey where can I learn more about chroot? |
| 12:06.14 | directhex|work | bytecolor, 2.4.27 |
| 12:06.20 | ToMMY2k | subaruwrx: www.google.com |
| 12:06.34 | bytecolor | ah |
| 12:07.02 | thorsten | hi, |
| 12:07.08 | thorsten | i have some problem with accessing files under gnome in debian. |
| 12:07.09 | thorsten | does anybody know where i can find help? |
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| 12:07.33 | rsff | thorsten, what kinds of problems? |
| 12:07.36 | ToMMY2k | Im not sure I know anyone called help :) |
| 12:08.05 | maldoror | I'd need help with samba/bind/dhcpd |
| 12:08.21 | thorsten | when i try to change the permission of files on my desktop or attach file to an emal (whith evolution) the programm hangs |
| 12:08.28 | thorsten | but i cant figure out why. |
| 12:08.33 | simonrvn | zapalotta: reportbug |
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| 12:09.04 | thorsten | rsff: evolution hangs in this moment when i try to view any folder to attach files. |
| 12:09.13 | hairy_potter | thorsten: must be some buggy setup (like libraries or the goddamn ass-sized .gconfd/) |
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| 12:09.41 | bytecolor | if ifconfig shows eth0, does that mean the kernel can communicate with it? |
| 12:10.05 | thegraham | subaruwrx: man chroot |
| 12:10.14 | directhex|work | bytecolor, usually. |
| 12:10.16 | bytecolor | I mean the problem is not in driver (natsemi for 2.4.27) |
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| 12:10.46 | hehaho | hey |
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| 12:10.48 | hehaho | it works |
| 12:10.57 | hehaho | thx al0t u guys |
| 12:10.59 | aufdampf_ | how can i create /dev/tts/1 when i have devfs? |
| 12:11.00 | bytecolor | I wonder if my linksys router need to be flashed |
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| 12:11.23 | bytecolor | It's prolly 3 years old, same firmware as when I purchased it |
| 12:11.29 | thorsten | hairy_potter: do you think it can help to reinstall nautilus? im not shure, becaus it works for the last month very fine. ive the problem only since the last update two days ago... but im not shure anymore what expect was updated |
| 12:11.38 | thegraham | subaruwrx: or info coreutils chroot |
| 12:12.05 | rsff | the .desktop icons are handled by the gnome-vfs right? |
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| 12:12.18 | bytecolor | I actually had the same problem on this lappy, if I installed 2.6.8, dhclient failed |
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| 12:12.56 | bytecolor | boot 2.4.27 (what I'm using on this lappy now), no problem |
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| 12:13.15 | zirikili | hi ... my cups server seems to work fine. I added a hp deskjet 695 with its driver but none doc I sent has been printed. what could be wrong? |
| 12:13.28 | Pjay | is vi the best shell text editor that comes standard with debian? |
| 12:13.41 | enraged | Pjay, try nano |
| 12:13.47 | The_Vulture | Pjay: depends what you mean by "comes standard" and "best" |
| 12:13.48 | rsff | zirikili, what program are you using to print? |
| 12:14.00 | directhex|work | Pjay, it's A text editor that's available on debian, no more |
| 12:14.08 | thorsten | rsff: the problem is about every file wich got accesed with nautilus, not only the .desktop files. |
| 12:14.12 | zirikili | rsff: kwriter, openoffice writer, etc |
| 12:14.17 | paulswm | bytecolor: I've had no probs with debian or handmade 2.6.8, but I'm using dhcpcd not dhcp-client |
| 12:14.23 | neenee | there is no best. there's personal preference though :) |
| 12:14.28 | Pjay | ok thanks |
| 12:14.34 | rsff | thorsten, yeah. i'm having problems with nautilus too... |
| 12:14.50 | thorsten | oh, ok. |
| 12:14.56 | herodes | does anybody run oracle here for help me? |
| 12:15.00 | rsff | thorsten, i'm wondering. What version of nautilus are you running? |
| 12:15.56 | thorsten | rsff: i'm using "Gnome nautilus 2.8.2" |
| 12:15.58 | bytecolor | hrm, maybe I'll bypass my router, run straight into my DSL modem, just to troubleshoot |
| 12:16.04 | rsff | same here... |
| 12:16.14 | snail | herodes: not unless you tell us what the problem is and how yo've tried to fix it |
| 12:16.16 | rsff | thorsten, have you just updated it? |
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| 12:16.34 | thorsten | rsff: yes, two days ago |
| 12:16.51 | thorsten | rsff: or yesterday, im not shure. |
| 12:17.15 | rsff | thorsten, I think we both are in for it. how are your icons in the Computer:/// folder? can you open any drives? |
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| 12:17.49 | herodes | snail, wait a minute, while a post you what i have said |
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| 12:18.24 | zirikili | my cups does not prints . how may I identify the problem? |
| 12:18.51 | thorsten | rsff: i cant open this folder or any else folder |
| 12:19.09 | TinoW | zirikili: look if your plate or spoon prints |
| 12:19.31 | zirikili | TinoW: excuse me |
| 12:20.03 | Bogaurd | what is the name of the extended VIM which has coloured text etc? |
| 12:20.11 | jm_ | Bogaurd: it's called vim |
| 12:20.11 | rsff | thorsten, I think we are both using buggy versions of nautilus. damn that sucks. |
| 12:20.12 | Bogaurd | i dont like the one that came with woddy :( |
| 12:20.13 | paulswm | Bogaurd: vim or gvim |
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| 12:21.05 | elirips | hello people. i have some problems with matlab7 on my debian-testing system: when i try to start matlab, i always get this error: '/usr/local/bin/matlab: line 1: /lib/libc.so.6: Permission denied'. matlab then starts, but if i try to work with it i only get this: '/usr/local/matlab7/bin/glnx86/libmaple.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference' any help is appreciated.. |
| 12:21.09 | Kerr | Bogaurd: Then use nano :-P |
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| 12:21.30 | Bogaurd | i like my old vim :P |
| 12:21.31 | sussudio | !test |
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| 12:21.54 | TinoW | elirips: this looks really strange |
| 12:22.27 | TinoW | elirips: what does ls -l /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 12:22.33 | neenee | elirips: that's a known problem.. i had that when running gentoo. matlab7 was created for older systems i believe |
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| 12:22.59 | sussudio | bob2: need me to bring in badgers? |
| 12:23.02 | herodes | snail, brave snail --->http://pastebin.com/227600 |
| 12:23.03 | elirips | TinoW: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2005-01-05 13:00 /lib/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.3.2.so |
| 12:23.19 | neenee | elirips: http://www.cybermath.com/support/Maple8/Installation/12.aspx |
| 12:23.36 | Lord-Phoenix | how can i build a debian package from source? |
| 12:23.39 | TinoW | elirips: and ls -l /lib/libc-2.3.2.so |
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| 12:23.55 | neenee | elirips: check the link please. there's a possible solution. |
| 12:24.42 | thorsten | rsff: is there anyway to get the elder version back? |
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| 12:25.00 | elirips | neenee: thanks, this solves the problem. the error is still there when starting, but now it seems to work fine :) thanks a lot! |
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| 12:25.28 | rsff | I think so. But it means downloading nautilus from sarge, I think. |
| 12:25.43 | neenee | elirips: my pleasure :) |
| 12:25.43 | chip__ | how do i load the nvidia module at startup? i have to do modprobe for x to start everytime |
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| 12:25.57 | neenee | chip__: add it to /etc/modules |
| 12:26.08 | chip__ | thanks reenee |
| 12:26.10 | snail | herodes: have you googled for an answer based on the error message based in that log? |
| 12:26.16 | neenee | yea.. reenee. lol. |
| 12:26.17 | neenee | :) |
| 12:26.20 | rsff | thorsten, I'm still thining about how I am going to go about solving this. |
| 12:26.25 | rsff | damn this sucks really bad. |
| 12:26.33 | herodes | snail: for a week. |
| 12:26.56 | bytecolor | I think that sit0: interface is what's fscking up my connections |
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| 12:27.08 | neenee | hm |
| 12:27.09 | jm_ | thorsten: snapshot.debian.net has old versions |
| 12:27.11 | bytecolor | my lappy doesnt a show sit0: interface |
| 12:27.13 | neenee | rsff: what is your problem again? |
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| 12:27.32 | paulswm | herodes: that's an Oracle problem, not a debian one, and I just googled on libskgxp8.so and there's a ton of stuff, got to be an answer in there somewhere |
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| 12:28.05 | bytecolor | so maybe recompile the kernel and disable IPv6-in-IPv4 ? |
| 12:28.23 | herodes | paulswm, seens yo be very quit on #oracle |
| 12:28.24 | sussudio | !test |
| 12:28.24 | badgers | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
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| 12:28.38 | rsff | neenee: all the *.desktop and *.drive files suddenly turned into text files after the upgrade. |
| 12:28.43 | neenee | hm |
| 12:28.45 | thorsten | jm_: thx |
| 12:28.52 | herodes | paulswm: perhaps here, debian user can help me with it |
| 12:28.53 | neenee | rsff: just the icons? |
| 12:29.07 | thorsten | is there any way to see wich packages were updated at the last update? |
| 12:29.10 | rsff | I can't mount anything from the computer:/// |
| 12:29.14 | neenee | hm |
| 12:29.20 | neenee | i do not have that problem :( |
| 12:29.21 | jm_ | thorsten: no, unless you use aptitude |
| 12:29.21 | paulswm | herodes: I don't think you're going to get much help here on Oracle, is all |
| 12:29.35 | thorsten | jm_: ok |
| 12:29.53 | herodes | unfortunatly may be. |
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| 12:30.17 | herodes | if anybody knew hot to help me....i would be very pleasent. |
| 12:30.21 | neenee | rsff: you could try removing ~/.gnome ~/.gnome2 ~/.gconf and restarting gnome - that would clear all settings |
| 12:30.43 | alexscott | mega plop (amsg) |
| 12:30.43 | rsff | I have. but I'm going to do it again. |
| 12:30.52 | rsff | brb |
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| 12:30.55 | paulswm | herodes: I imagine that most debian users who run professional grade databases use postgresql |
| 12:30.56 | neenee | i doubt doing it again would help :| |
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| 12:31.11 | zamson | question: How do I install a local .deb package? |
| 12:31.20 | The_Vulture | zamson: dpkg -i |
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| 12:31.27 | herodes | perhaps......, Me too. |
| 12:31.34 | herodes | but.....jobs are so. |
| 12:31.54 | paulswm | herodes: you are running Oracle 8 on debian? |
| 12:32.10 | herodes | i do. |
| 12:32.19 | bytecolor | fuuuuuuudgesicle |
| 12:32.19 | TinoW | apt-get install oracle-10 |
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| 12:33.12 | rsff | neenee, nope, noe good. |
| 12:33.25 | paulswm | herodes: I use Oracle 9 on Solaris, but I'm not an Oracle DBA so I don't know how it's set up |
| 12:33.45 | rsff | neenee, what version of nautilus are you using? |
| 12:33.51 | neenee | rsff: the same as you |
| 12:33.55 | rsff | Weird. |
| 12:33.59 | neenee | quite |
| 12:34.03 | neenee | hmmm |
| 12:34.16 | neenee | rsff: can you run nautilus from a terminal and check if there's any odd output? |
| 12:34.20 | rsff | some broken package, perhaps. What handles these icons, and their funcionalities. |
| 12:34.25 | neenee | or check tty1 for any odd output when browsing that dir |
| 12:34.32 | thorsten | rsff: you asked me if i can open computer:/// ... when you asked i clicken on it.. now it has opend (5min?) |
| 12:34.41 | rsff | yeah. how do I kill nautilus without having it restart? |
| 12:34.43 | neenee | rsff: do you just see grey icons? |
| 12:35.14 | neenee | rsff: if so, try gnome-theme-manager and select a different icon theme than 'hicolor'. try default. |
| 12:35.21 | rsff | nope. they behave as if they were text files. |
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| 12:35.55 | possie | how can i verify that my X is using the nvidia driver i just downloaded from the nvidia website ? |
| 12:36.07 | rsff | neenee, did that already. no good. |
| 12:36.18 | Bogaurd | how can i go about starting vsftpd in debian? i ahve installed it, and configured it, if i tell it to run in standalone mode, it says it doesnt undestand a variable in the config, if i say not stand alone, it says it needsa to be started from inetd |
| 12:36.34 | neenee | rsff: ok |
| 12:36.35 | DerJamster | and what variable does it not understand? |
| 12:36.36 | rsff | look in /var/log/Xfree86 log? |
| 12:36.41 | neenee | hm |
| 12:36.42 | neenee | no |
| 12:36.47 | Bogaurd | DerJamster, it doesnt say :( |
| 12:36.55 | neenee | i'm not sure it's logged.. perhaps in /var/log/messages though |
| 12:37.00 | DerJamster | does it tell you the line? |
| 12:37.01 | ToMMY2k | when using make-kpkg do I need to do make modules, make modules_install? |
| 12:37.03 | rsff | possie, look in /var/log/Xfree86 log? |
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| 12:37.58 | paulswm | ToMMY2k: useful link: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html |
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| 12:38.14 | herodes | paulswm, th x anyway |
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| 12:38.29 | paulswm | herodes: np, good luck with it |
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| 12:39.11 | [Granger] | paulswm: thanx for the link |
| 12:39.13 | [Granger] | http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 12:39.14 | rsff | neenee, hold on. Its stilon aug. |
| 12:39.20 | [Granger] | here's another one to add to the collection |
| 12:39.37 | va | i dont trust my local debian mirror. Can i set up apt to check checksums obtained from official debian servers against packages from my local mirror? |
| 12:39.39 | metrix | is there some sort of program / document explaining how to run a program, background it with a pid file, and kill the program if it runs too long? I am wanting to start an ftp and kill it if it takes too long |
| 12:39.47 | neenee | rsff: ok |
| 12:39.58 | rsff | doesn't gnome-vfs handle all of these files? |
| 12:40.01 | [Granger] | va: why don't you trust it? |
| 12:40.04 | knt | hi all, despite manually checking all of the scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ in init 1 mode i cannot login to system in init 2. when i type "init 2" it's starting all of the boot scripts under /etc/rc2.d and then waiting infinitely. any ideas? |
| 12:40.16 | Bogaurd | no, it doesnt seem to be logged |
| 12:40.23 | va | [Granger]: i see it as common sense |
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| 12:40.41 | TinoW | is there DAV for gnome-vfs as well? |
| 12:40.49 | Pjay | in linux/debian can you remove or change the root user? |
| 12:40.57 | [Granger] | Pjay: no |
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| 12:41.11 | [Granger] | but you can add additional root accounts |
| 12:41.32 | memic | lol |
| 12:41.41 | memic | u CAN change the root user |
| 12:41.43 | knt | Pjay: but you can assign an "you-cannot-type-by-keyword" password for root. |
| 12:42.01 | Lord-Phoenix | can someone tell me how to use a .diff.gz file? |
| 12:42.16 | knt | Lord-Phoenix: gzip .diff.gz && man patch |
| 12:42.21 | TinoW | Lord-Phoenix: man zcat, man gunzip, man patch |
| 12:42.22 | caphuso | Lord-Phoenix: gzip -dc foo.diff.gz | patch ... |
| 12:42.41 | knt | Lord-Phoenix: sorry, it should be gzip -d .diff.gz |
| 12:42.43 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:42.47 | Guerin | tmtowtdi |
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| 12:43.24 | Lord-Phoenix | thnx |
| 12:43.26 | _keylogger_140 | uh no |
| 12:43.30 | Xjill | Is there a package included with the standard CD-image which I can use to decompress a .zip archive ? |
| 12:43.37 | rsff | neenee, I get this weird message. may I msg to you? |
| 12:43.40 | paulswm | metrix: I don't know if there's a simple way of doing it, but you could always write a shell script to background it (itself within a shell script), save the pid and sleep for your time limit, then wake up and see if it's still running and kill the pid if it is, or something like that |
| 12:43.42 | bytecolor | unzip |
| 12:43.42 | Xjill | (sareg CD img) |
| 12:43.54 | _keylogger_140 | apt: just a pseudo ident ("~") |
| 12:44.05 | Xjill | bytecolor: Is that ont the CD? |
| 12:44.05 | rsff | or rather flood neenee ? |
| 12:44.05 | bytecolor | Xjill, not sure |
| 12:44.08 | neenee | rsff: yes |
| 12:44.51 | Xjill | bytecolor: Nopes :S |
| 12:44.51 | rsff | Jan 10 23:56:04 localhost gconfd (rsff-2312): Endereço "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" resolvido para uma fonte de configuração com permissões apenas de leitura na posição 0 |
| 12:44.51 | rsff | Jan 10 23:56:04 localhost gconfd (rsff-2312): O endereço "xml:readwrite:/home/rsff/.gconf" resolvido para uma fonte de configuração com permissões de escrita na posição 1 |
| 12:44.51 | rsff | Jan 10 23:56:04 localhost gconfd (rsff-2312): Endereço "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" resolvido para uma fonte de configuração com permissões apenas de leitura na posição 2 |
| 12:44.52 | rsff | Jan 10 23:56:24 localhost gconfd (rsff-2312): O endereço "xml:readwrite:/home/rsff/.gconf" resolvido para uma fonte de configuração com permissões de escrita na posição 0 |
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| 12:45.12 | rsff | sorry guys. I messed up. |
| 12:45.19 | paulswm | rsff: heh |
| 12:45.19 | rsff | wrong command. |
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| 12:46.45 | t1ng | how can I down grade libc6 so I can install libc6-dev? |
| 12:46.45 | Guerin | t1ng: you can't, and mustn't |
| 12:46.59 | PerfDave | t1ng: Why do you think you need to downgrade libc6 to install libc6-dev ? |
| 12:47.03 | Guerin | t1ng: if your libc6 and libc6-dev versions don't match, then you've fucked something up beyond sanity |
| 12:47.06 | t1ng | ok I am trying to install apache with php, but get unmet dependencies, need libc6-dev |
| 12:47.14 | bytecolor | hrm unzip is only 100k |
| 12:47.21 | Guerin | !tell t1ng about bobbitt |
| 12:47.29 | t1ng | I ahve libc6 installed, but not the dev, need the dev to install php/ apache |
| 12:47.35 | Guerin | oh, hello badgers |
| 12:47.37 | bytecolor | stripped |
| 12:47.52 | PerfDave | t1ng: Why do you need a -dev package to install PHP or Apache? You should only need it if you're hand-compiling something. |
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| 12:48.18 | t1ng | yeah i am, as I am also having a nightmare getting php4 to install with apache, so decided to go to source |
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| 12:48.26 | Guerin | t1ng: pebcak |
| 12:48.30 | jm_ | heh |
| 12:48.41 | chip__ | im trying to install my printer really fast, whats the ip for cups? |
| 12:48.57 | TinoW | chip__: ip? |
| 12:48.58 | MOers | i have a red subpixel on my lcd that has current going through it always such that it is black. do these ever fix themselves? |
| 12:49.00 | fatal__ | chip__: localhost |
| 12:49.05 | toresbe | chip__: localhost |
| 12:49.05 | knt | chip__: netstat -plunt | grep cups |
| 12:49.06 | Guerin | chip__: dnslookup cups |
| 12:49.16 | Guerin | err, s/d// |
| 12:49.28 | toresbe | Guerin: Huh? |
| 12:49.35 | kbrooks | nslookup |
| 12:49.37 | t1ng | pebcak??? |
| 12:49.37 | kbrooks | not dns |
| 12:49.39 | Guerin | toresbe: well, he wants the ip address of it ... |
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| 12:49.46 | TinoW | Guerin: s/dnslookup/dig/ :-) |
| 12:49.52 | toresbe | Guerin: Wlel, you knew what he meant |
| 12:50.13 | chip__ | can find package dnslookup |
| 12:50.13 | fatal__ | t1ng: pebkac... |
| 12:50.23 | Guerin | toresbe: did I? |
| 12:50.43 | toresbe | chip__: http://localhost:631/ is the url for the web browser |
| 12:50.49 | chip__ | ah, thanks |
| 12:51.01 | Guerin | !pebcak |
| 12:51.01 | badgers | hmm... pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 12:51.23 | kbrooks | !pebkac |
| 12:51.23 | badgers | [pebkac] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC |
| 12:51.23 | Bogaurd | hi, i installed php4 on my woody box, but apache does not seem to interpret the php files, just lets me download them |
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| 12:51.23 | toresbe | what a stupid acronyn to use in this context |
| 12:51.27 | Guerin | t1ng: it means your fault |
| 12:51.29 | kbrooks | reversed ;) |
| 12:51.35 | Guerin | toresbe: why? |
| 12:51.42 | toresbe | oh, sorry, I just came in |
| 12:51.52 | toresbe | thought it was regarding the CUPS question |
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| 12:52.02 | fatal__ | Bogaurd: look up the apache directives AddType and AddHandler ... |
| 12:52.04 | PerfDave | t1ng: WHy make things worse by trying to install from source rather than fixing whatever problem it is you have with installing php and apache from packages? |
| 12:52.05 | t1ng | I know its my fault, I installed it. I would like to know how to fix it, and make all well and happy again |
| 12:52.09 | sussudio | !ewe |
| 12:52.09 | Guerin | toresbe: you just think the worst of us, don't you. |
| 12:52.10 | badgers | Guerin: baah. |
| 12:52.11 | zamson | what ftpd do u guys recomend if im going to use it mostly for people without shellacc. ? is pureftpd the way to go? |
| 12:52.26 | Guerin | t1ng: what version of debian are you running |
| 12:52.27 | Guerin | ? |
| 12:52.29 | liten_ | where can i find all commands for proftp? |
| 12:52.36 | Guerin | zamson: vsftpd |
| 12:52.39 | zamson | guerin latest net install sarge |
| 12:52.42 | rsff | neenee, nope. nothing changed. |
| 12:52.45 | sussudio | Guerin: it's loaded with yesterday's dpkg database |
| 12:52.52 | rsff | I'm going to see gnome developer help. |
| 12:52.55 | toresbe | Guerin: Not at all, I just thought it would've been wrong had you said it about chip__ which you didn't and all is well and happy except for t1ng 's possibly pebcak problem |
| 12:53.19 | toresbe | oh well, night, everyone |
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| 12:53.48 | zamson | how do i uininstall proftpd? |
| 12:53.54 | Guerin | liten_: proftpd has some quite massive documentation in proftpd-doc |
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| 12:54.01 | chip__ | one more thing :) would the location be /dev/lp0? |
| 12:54.02 | sussudio | zamson: :-P |
| 12:54.09 | Guerin | zamson: apt-get remove --purge proftpd |
| 12:54.11 | t1ng | its kernel 2.2, debian 3.0 |
| 12:54.22 | zamson | guerin thx |
| 12:54.48 | Guerin | t1ng: apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php4 |
| 12:54.55 | liten_ | guerin thx |
| 12:55.01 | Guerin | t1ng: undo what other b0rk4ge you've done, and run that command. |
| 12:55.06 | chip__ | shit, i have to install drivers |
| 12:55.13 | chip__ | i forgot how to do all this |
| 12:55.15 | Guerin | liten_: zamson: are you the same person? |
| 12:55.26 | t1ng | apache: Depends: apache-common (< 1.3.27-0) but 1.3.33-2 is to be installed |
| 12:55.32 | liten_ | guerin no |
| 12:55.41 | liten_ | guerin just freinds and same network |
| 12:55.43 | t1ng | its propper borked I tell thee |
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| 12:55.50 | Guerin | t1ng: then you're not running woody, because... |
| 12:55.55 | Guerin | !info apache stable |
| 12:56.11 | badgers | apache: (Versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.26-0woody6 (woody), Packaged size: 344 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
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| 12:56.26 | fish_ | re |
| 12:56.28 | neenee | rsff: :| |
| 12:56.40 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 12:57.03 | jes-o-mat | whatfor does a ircd listens on a udp port? |
| 12:57.17 | rsff | neenee, thanks for your help! |
| 12:57.22 | sussudio | !confuse jes-o-mat |
| 12:57.24 | badgers | No, who is their gerbil yesterday, jes-o-mat? wellies of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 12:57.25 | neenee | oh you're very welcome |
| 12:57.30 | ToMMY2k | paulswm: thanks for the link :) |
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| 12:58.06 | t1ng | OK how do I go about getting rid of unstable and going back to woody ? |
| 12:58.07 | zamson | guerin: it gave me this message when removeing.. "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these"...."The following packages have unmet dependencies:"... |
| 12:58.18 | zamson | did it uninstall? |
| 12:58.35 | Guerin | zamson: then you've b0rk3n your install somehow. Are you t1ng as well as liten_? |
| 12:59.02 | humbe | I'm creating a postinst script for a debian package. I want it to do something depending on contents of a file in the source dir of the project. Do I need to install that file in the package even though I only need it during package configuration, or can I hide it together with the postinst script somewhere? Or should I make a hook that alters the postinst script during package generation to include needed data? |
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| 12:59.06 | KimHansen | Which tool do I use to edit debian/changelog in a package ? |
| 12:59.12 | zamson | guerin tlng? hes on my network |
| 12:59.14 | chip__ | how do i detect where the printer is? |
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| 12:59.31 | Guerin | zamson: not according to /whois |
| 12:59.33 | caphuso | KimHansen: any editor you like |
| 12:59.45 | humbe | jes-o-mat: Normally nothing. IRC rfc ain't that up to date.. |
| 12:59.46 | zamson | guerin we are behind the same gateway |
| 12:59.54 | Guerin | zamson: not according to /whois |
| 13:00.08 | Guerin | zamson: whois might be wrong, but it's all I have to go on |
| 13:00.13 | Guerin | :) |
| 13:00.18 | KimHansen | I remember a tool whichmade it easyer, it added a new entry with all the standard stuf and increased the version-number |
| 13:00.37 | zamson | guerin: strange cause we are both trough a linux server... but im on the server now hes on a laptop |
| 13:00.54 | caphuso | KimHansen: dch? |
| 13:01.03 | Bogaurd | whats a simple way to specify a list of commands to be executed at startup? |
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| 13:01.10 | Bogaurd | can i use /etc/rc.local? |
| 13:01.27 | neenee | bogaurd: one moment |
| 13:01.34 | Bogaurd | hettar, you're with internode :D |
| 13:01.37 | KimHansen | caphuso: Yep, that was it, thanks |
| 13:01.42 | zamson | guerin: do i have to do this? "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these" |
| 13:01.46 | t1ng | so have I got to re-install debian, or is there a fix to my playing about ness |
| 13:01.52 | neenee | bogaurd: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debian-rclocal.htm |
| 13:01.55 | hettar | Bogaurd: yeah. |
| 13:02.00 | Guerin | zamson: do that and read what it says it will [un]install |
| 13:02.09 | Bogaurd | you in adelaide hettar? |
| 13:02.15 | Bogaurd | neenee, thanks |
| 13:02.18 | neenee | :) |
| 13:02.19 | hettar | Brisbane |
| 13:02.20 | Guerin | t1ng: what did you do to break it, other than add a non-debian source. |
| 13:02.21 | Guerin | ? |
| 13:02.25 | chip__ | anyone? |
| 13:02.26 | fofos | I'm trying to run debian in qemu... i launch the install cd and i get the following message repetively: hda: lost interrupt. Any ever seen this ? |
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| 13:02.57 | fofos | i'm set bf24 acpi=off in case it would be acpi but it didn't fix the problem |
| 13:03.09 | t1ng | Guerin I have basically changed the apt sources to unstable, and dist upgraded, then started installing packages (apache, postfix, bind) etc. |
| 13:03.24 | karmatoburn | woot |
| 13:03.26 | petemc | fofos: its more than likely a qemu issue, are you using the latest version? have you checked the mailing list archives? |
| 13:03.27 | fatal__ | Bogaurd: add your init-scripts in /etc/init.d/ .... then run: update-rc.d <name-of-script> defaults |
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| 13:03.55 | Guerin | t1ng: then you get to keep all the bits |
| 13:04.05 | Guerin | !sid faq |
| 13:04.06 | badgers | well, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 13:04.17 | karmatoburn | laterz all |
| 13:04.20 | zamson | guerin: thx for the help it worked now |
| 13:04.20 | fofos | petemc: yes, i googlelised, nothing on it... my bochs seems to be buggy... i got the common black screen issue... the qemu is the debian sarge version... |
| 13:04.37 | helix | goodbye, navi |
| 13:04.47 | az[a]zel | i am the lizard queen! |
| 13:04.58 | |cub| | hello. can someone tellme. i need to install *.ttf fonts. i heard that they must be in special folder. is that true? |
| 13:05.05 | t1ng | Guerin you mean its borked beyond fixing, go find the cd's and start again |
| 13:05.08 | Guerin | az[a]zel: can you do anything except piss standing up? |
| 13:05.28 | Guerin | t1ng: yes. Don't run unstable this time. Run stable for a webserver. |
| 13:05.41 | az[a]zel | Guerin, that takes great skill |
| 13:05.47 | t1ng | Guerin Thanks.... I'll go kick myself |
| 13:05.47 | Guerin | |cub|: yeah, in ~/.fonts/ |
| 13:05.54 | |cub| | tnx |
| 13:05.56 | helix | az[a]zel: yeah, even I can't pee standing up |
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| 13:06.06 | |cub| | Guerin: thnx |
| 13:06.14 | Guerin | |cub|: take the | out from in front your nick |
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| 13:06.32 | |cub| | why? |
| 13:07.15 | elirips | hi people, i'm already back with another problem: since the last upgrade or the last dist-upgrade my konqueror ain't working anymore. trying to run 'kfmclient openProfile filemanagement' gives me a 'kfmclient: ERROR: Couldn't start konqueror from konqueror.desktop: KDEInit could not launch 'kioexec''. just entering 'konqueror' in a terminal works without errors. any ideas how to fix that? |
| 13:07.22 | Guerin | !tell |cub| about leading punctuation |
| 13:07.37 | neenee | !tell neenee about leading punctuation |
| 13:07.38 | directhex|work | !test |
| 13:07.39 | chip__ | Guerin: can you please help me |
| 13:07.39 | badgers | Yes, directhex|work, you're still online. |
| 13:08.02 | Guerin | elirips: #debian-kde |
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| 13:08.03 | directhex|work | woo! /me hugs badgers |
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| 13:08.03 | Guerin | chip__: with what? |
| 13:08.12 | t1ng | !tell t1ng about leading punctuation |
| 13:08.20 | chip__ | Guerin: how do i find out where the printer is located, it seems to have worked but nothing happens when i try to print |
| 13:08.30 | chip__ | so im guessing thats the problem |
| 13:08.32 | neenee | chip__: follow the wire |
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| 13:08.34 | neenee | :) |
| 13:08.44 | Guerin | chip__: I am blissfully ignorant of almost everything to do with printing under linux. |
| 13:08.55 | az[a]zel | helix, are you still vegan ? |
| 13:08.59 | Guerin | haha |
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| 13:09.07 | chip__ | can ANYONE help me |
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| 13:09.15 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 13:09.15 | chip__ | out of 810 people |
| 13:09.16 | badgers | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:09.19 | neenee | do you not have log files? |
| 13:09.26 | neenee | which log printer-related stuff? |
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| 13:09.29 | chip__ | there not helping |
| 13:09.31 | neenee | ah. |
| 13:09.35 | Guerin | chip__: read the error messages, if there are any. Read the logs, if they exist. |
| 13:09.44 | Guerin | chip__: otherwise, #cups |
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| 13:10.05 | directhex|work | usb://$manu/$product |
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| 13:10.19 | t1ng | anyone know a good site regarding learninig apache2 (from apache) and bind9 (from bind8) |
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| 13:10.46 | caphuso | t1ng: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ |
| 13:11.08 | s-toned | chip__: try localhost:631 in your browser |
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| 13:11.21 | chip__ | "E [11/Jan/2005:08:10:45 -0500] Unable to convert file 0 to printable format for job 5!" |
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| 13:11.36 | chip__ | what does that mean |
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| 13:11.51 | rdancer | is there a way to issue the SECURITY ERASE UNIT command from within debian? or perhaps from a special-purpose boot CD? |
| 13:12.07 | neenee | perhaps the format of the file you attempted to print is incompatible with what you use to print |
| 13:12.10 | miguens | How can i do to recovery root password on sarge |
| 13:12.12 | miguens | ? |
| 13:12.18 | caphuso | chip__: it means that a file you wanted to print couldn't be converted into a printable format |
| 13:12.20 | rdancer | it's the thing that tells the IDE disk to erase itself |
| 13:12.40 | chip__ | caphuso: how do i fix it? |
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| 13:13.03 | caphuso | chip__: that depends on why it wasn't able to convert the thing |
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| 13:13.46 | KimHansen | miguens: You can't recover it, but you can overwrite it if you can boot on a Knoppix-CD |
| 13:14.41 | miguens | Can`t i recover lost password? |
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| 13:15.01 | paulswm | miguens: no, password encryption is only one way |
| 13:15.04 | komplikaizone | hi |
| 13:15.05 | miguens | i have tryed use single |
| 13:15.19 | miguens | ok |
| 13:15.21 | komplikaizone | the best uml editor ? |
| 13:15.26 | DerJamster | miguens: you can try this.. |
| 13:15.30 | fofos | in case this interrests someone, to run debian's woody install cd in qemu, use vanilla as boot argument |
| 13:15.35 | miguens | how can i overwrite it |
| 13:15.48 | caphuso | miguens: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 13:16.41 | jm_ | mgiue;/msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
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| 13:17.14 | t1ng | always install sudo |
| 13:17.26 | Stefan` | hi, how do i find out which font-server is running? i'm on a new sarge system |
| 13:17.36 | bob2 | Stefan`: none, hopefully |
| 13:17.45 | bob2 | any howto that says you need one is old and broken |
| 13:18.16 | Stefan` | so the fontserver is included in XFree86? i was wondering.. :) |
| 13:18.21 | chip__ | what a useful channel |
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| 13:18.23 | bob2 | nope |
| 13:18.25 | bob2 | you don't use one at all |
| 13:18.33 | chip__ | oh wait, yall don't know shit |
| 13:18.42 | bob2 | chip__: stop being a moron please |
| 13:18.45 | bob2 | or leave |
| 13:18.46 | bob2 | your choice |
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| 13:18.57 | bob2 | you can even be REALLY clever and flame us in your /quit |
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| 13:19.21 | MobyTurbo | bob2: he left already. :) |
| 13:19.24 | neenee | though that would probably make a future visit less useful |
| 13:19.39 | Stefan` | bob2: what do you suggest when i want truetypes to work? |
| 13:19.40 | directhex|work | bob2, he was a Secret Newbie, researching for ars technica |
| 13:19.55 | directhex|work | Stefan`, they work. |
| 13:20.24 | Stefan` | but i just can't copy them in /usr/share/fonts/truetype, right? what do i have to run? |
| 13:20.26 | bob2 | directhex|work: don't laugh, people actually do that sort of stuff |
| 13:20.44 | bob2 | Stefan`: if you're using anything modern, like gnome 2, kde 3 or mozilla or firefox, then you can |
| 13:20.51 | directhex|work | bob2, i never said they didn't |
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| 13:21.02 | jm_ | yjust put them in a dir handled by fontconfig - read its docs |
| 13:21.03 | directhex|work | Stefan`, personally i find kcontrol is a pleasant way of installing fonts |
| 13:21.06 | neenee | stefan`: you can. just run defoma-reconfigure then |
| 13:21.09 | neenee | stefan`: i think |
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| 13:21.21 | neenee | at least, i recall it working when i did that :) |
| 13:21.23 | t1ng | back later thanks for your help / comments |
| 13:21.38 | Stefan` | i'll try that, neenee |
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| 13:21.47 | abydos | yum, genetic algorithm scheduler patches |
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| 13:22.07 | valdyn_ | abydos: tried that patch? |
| 13:22.10 | abydos | not yet |
| 13:22.14 | abydos | I don't roll my own kernel |
| 13:22.40 | abydos | I'm using stock 2.6.9 with any applicable patches by the debian kernel team |
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| 13:22.52 | Stefan` | it worked! :) |
| 13:23.18 | abydos | erm, no, actually 2.6.8 because someone is too lazy to write the realtime-lsm module compatible for 2.6.9 |
| 13:23.28 | Stefan` | but why don't they show up in xfontsel? |
| 13:23.32 | neenee | Linux pebble 2.6.10-maltwhiskey #2 Mon Jan 10 23:19:35 CET 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 13:23.46 | abydos | ooh, you're really bleeding edge |
| 13:23.49 | neenee | stefan`: i think that's for terminal fonts. |
| 13:23.54 | abydos | Linux hermes.linuxmitosis.com 2.6.8-1-686 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:34:30 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:23.59 | neenee | abydos: well, i was a gentoo user :) |
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| 13:24.11 | abydos | I was as well |
| 13:24.11 | alice|wl | lo, I have a sarge router which has problems with high upload stream. The connectin gets " pppd[30065]: Terminating on signal 15. " my ISP says its the routers fault, my that have something todo wiht keepalive |
| 13:24.16 | neenee | :) |
| 13:24.17 | Stefan` | doesn't matter anyway ;) - thank you all |
| 13:24.22 | neenee | my pleasure |
| 13:25.09 | abydos | what I'm amazed at is that Jake managed to get a performance gain in his first release of the GA |
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| 13:27.53 | Stefan` | this new X is cool...even antialiasing fonts |
| 13:28.34 | abydos | wow, that's quite a ping timeout |
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| 13:28.54 | Guerin | Stefan`: the new one from the 3rd millennium, you mean? |
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| 13:30.31 | Stefan` | Guerin, dunno - but when i used X last time everything looked really crappy, these days |
| 13:30.33 | liten_ | guide too vsftpd? please help |
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| 13:30.50 | [Outlaw] | Hm, is there a backup bot? |
| 13:30.50 | Guerin | !helpfile vsftpd |
| 13:30.52 | badgers | For help with vsftpd, look in /usr/share/doc/vsftpd There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
| 13:31.13 | MobyTurbo | [Outlaw]: apt is here, ravenbird is gone too |
| 13:31.13 | liten_ | k |
| 13:31.31 | Guerin | badgers has stepped into dpkg's shoes |
| 13:31.32 | badgers | wish i knew, Guerin |
| 13:31.38 | Guerin | badgers: you do |
| 13:31.38 | badgers | Guerin: are you smoking crack? |
| 13:31.40 | fatal__ | liten_: there's also "uncompressed" in the download section of vsftpd.beasts.org ... |
| 13:31.45 | Guerin | probably |
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| 13:34.48 | ToMMY2k | hmm Im struggling trying to compile a module against my kernel. The module is for a Highpoint card. I have compiled a kernel "the debian way" and as far as I can tell Ive done it correctly. I have compiled the module for the controller card specifying the kernel source dir. When I come to install the module using insmod I get unresolved symbols errors, I can paste the specific log if would help. Im back to square one with solving these unresolved symbols s |
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| 13:36.06 | resiak | ToMMY2k: First off, your message was truncated. "solving these unresolved symbols s"... Secondly, modprobe not insmod. Apart from that, you'll have to rely on other people here: sorry. |
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| 13:36.46 | ToMMY2k | truncated bit: Im back to square one with solving these unresolved symbols so any help would be apprecaited. |
| 13:36.52 | ToMMY2k | Ill give modprobe a whirl |
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| 13:37.23 | free_attitude | hello! I'm d/loading some sid iso images from fsn.hu but they are fast at updating so i have two 20041221 isos and one 20050105 iso |
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| 13:37.27 | ToMMY2k | ok same unresolved symbols |
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| 13:37.32 | Guerin | !fgi ToMMY2k unresolved+symbols |
| 13:37.34 | badgers | ToMMY2k: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=unresolved+symbols |
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| 13:37.49 | Guerin | ToMMY2k: ^^ first link on google, you lazy bastard |
| 13:37.59 | free_attitude | is it possible to use them together |
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| 13:38.15 | Guerin | free_attitude: probably not. |
| 13:38.23 | free_attitude | damn |
| 13:38.36 | Guerin | free_attitude: and it's utterly insane to rely on sid on disk - get it off the network. it changes daily. |
| 13:38.57 | takisd | hi. whats the simplest way to view doc and tutorial packages i install using apt - eg. installed debconf-doc and all i can see is an archive in the installed dir - is there a viewer for all this?? |
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| 13:39.30 | free_attitude | yeah, but my connention is bad and i cant apt-get it form internet |
| 13:39.35 | valdyn_ | free_attitude: use jigdo, that can use your outdated disks files to create the new disk while just downloading the changed packages |
| 13:39.36 | jm_ | takisd: list the files in package |
| 13:39.49 | kbrooks | valdyn_: no. |
| 13:40.00 | kbrooks | vagrant__: __sid changes daily__ |
| 13:40.02 | Guerin | free_attitude: why not? |
| 13:40.02 | free_attitude | jigdo, hm |
| 13:40.03 | valdyn_ | kbrooks: yes, i do that |
| 13:40.05 | takisd | jm_: you mean expand them? |
| 13:40.15 | orchid | takisd: depends on the file type |
| 13:40.19 | Markrian | I don't why you can download isos from the net but not apt-get |
| 13:40.20 | Guerin | valdyn_: don't advice people to do that. |
| 13:40.23 | free_attitude | im dloading isos from freebsd systems, is possible to use it on freebsd |
| 13:40.33 | Guerin | free_attitude: use what? |
| 13:40.39 | kbrooks | Guerin: was my assertion right? |
| 13:40.46 | Guerin | Markrian: why not? |
| 13:40.51 | free_attitude | jigdo, how to use it? |
| 13:40.52 | jm_ | takisd: no, start by listing the contents of the package, then figure out what to do - man pages are viewed with man, text files require a pager or an editor (some of them can decompress it on the fly), and then there are html files |
| 13:40.56 | valdyn_ | Guerin: whats the problem with it ( except waste of bandwidth w/ isos in general ) |
| 13:40.57 | mwilson | Guerin: He just means he has no clue. |
| 13:41.08 | Guerin | kbrooks: pretty much. Basically, they'll end up out of sync, and with broken deps. |
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| 13:41.30 | takisd | files are usually tar.gz - but i then have to go back to apt see where it installed them - go to that dir and work from there - is there no central location of installed docs or similar |
| 13:41.41 | jm_ | not in debconf-doc they aren't |
| 13:41.41 | Guerin | valdyn_: sid chages daily. It has a very complicated web of dependencies. Think it over. |
| 13:41.52 | mwilson | takisd: Certainly. /usr/share/doc |
| 13:41.55 | directhex|work | takisd, /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
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| 13:42.12 | simonrvn | re |
| 13:42.27 | kbrooks | Guerin: and the "topmost" one which i regard very important and is the reason i have testing, not sid: libc6 |
| 13:42.46 | Guerin | kbrooks: heh. |
| 13:42.48 | simonrvn | don't try to grok those deps all at once, you'll go nuts like we did |
| 13:42.48 | takisd | yes i know that one... thought there might be some simple app that kind of accesses /usr/share/doc and just opens them for you or something... anyway... |
| 13:42.52 | simonrvn | :P |
| 13:42.55 | Guerin | libc6 doesn't break often... |
| 13:43.03 | mwilson | Even though testing and unstable have the same version of libc6, of course. |
| 13:43.09 | kbrooks | what? |
| 13:43.12 | takisd | thanks guys.... :) |
| 13:43.13 | directhex|work | kbrooks, sid & sarge have the exact same version of libc6 |
| 13:43.15 | kbrooks | prove it. |
| 13:43.17 | simonrvn | no... but when it does, it breaks badly ;) |
| 13:43.19 | Guerin | not all the time. But most of the time, yeah. |
| 13:43.23 | mwilson | takisd: If you think there should be one, why aren't you writing one? |
| 13:43.30 | simonrvn | !info libc6 sarge |
| 13:43.35 | simonrvn | !info libc6 sid |
| 13:43.42 | directhex|work | 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
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| 13:43.47 | takisd | mwilson: i'd love to... i'm a java developer and no-one would use it here |
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| 13:43.49 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 13:43.52 | simonrvn | meh |
| 13:43.54 | kbrooks | simonrvn: dpkg gone. |
| 13:43.57 | directhex|work | takisd, so learn perl! |
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| 13:44.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: it's all about badgers |
| 13:44.04 | jm_ | badgers: eat simonrvn |
| 13:44.20 | Guerin | they're both the same |
| 13:44.21 | takisd | directhex: its on my list |
| 13:44.26 | Guerin | what directhex|work said |
| 13:44.27 | MobyTurbo | badgers: info libc6 sarge |
| 13:44.30 | MobyTurbo | badgers: info libc6 sid |
| 13:44.33 | badgers | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 (sarge), Packaged size: 4776 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB |
| 13:44.36 | badgers | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20 (sid), Packaged size: 4776 kB, Installed size: 15544 kB |
| 13:44.38 | simonrvn | what's badgers' command char? |
| 13:44.42 | simonrvn | oh never mind :) |
| 13:44.42 | kbrooks | oh. |
| 13:44.54 | simonrvn | looks to be the same version to me |
| 13:45.01 | kbrooks | Guerin: well, i'm not risking it ;) |
| 13:45.08 | Guerin | kbrooks: very wise. |
| 13:45.18 | kbrooks | i have too many packages |
| 13:45.37 | directhex|work | kbrooks, if you're on sarge, stay on sarge. at worse, set up sid as an option |
| 13:45.46 | Guerin | set it up in a chroot |
| 13:45.48 | kbrooks | the number -- well, i honestly don't know it. |
| 13:45.56 | simonrvn | sid chroot |
| 13:46.03 | kbrooks | Guerin: what is a chroot? |
| 13:46.09 | Guerin | kbrooks: man chroot |
| 13:46.18 | kbrooks | why, simonrvn |
| 13:46.26 | Guerin | simonrvn: upgrade dry-run? |
| 13:46.33 | simonrvn | don't ask, you'll get a headache |
| 13:46.47 | simonrvn | Guerin: nah |
| 13:46.51 | simonrvn | quik |
| 13:46.51 | kbrooks | ok |
| 13:47.01 | kbrooks | if i can handle this..... |
| 13:47.05 | Guerin | ah yeah |
| 13:47.10 | directhex|work | i've not had much trouble yet with sarge & sid (sarge pinned as default), but it'll come. question is whether i care, seing as windows on the machine warrants periodic reinstalls |
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| 13:47.30 | simonrvn | set up a backport for quik so i can serve up quik 2.1 for woody |
| 13:47.30 | kbrooks | directhex|work: why windows? |
| 13:47.41 | raid5 | default route is set in where in debian? |
| 13:47.42 | Guerin | g4m3x0rz |
| 13:47.48 | Guerin | raid5: man interfaces |
| 13:47.52 | directhex|work | kbrooks, for windows games which won't run anyhow else |
| 13:48.01 | simonrvn | raid5: ifup sets it from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:48.20 | kbrooks | directhex|work: thats it? i would suggest cedega, but it sucks |
| 13:48.48 | kbrooks | i have windows at school. |
| 13:49.00 | kbrooks | grade 8 (elementary school) |
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| 13:49.06 | directhex|work | kbrooks, i said 'which won't run anyhow else' |
| 13:49.15 | MobyTurbo | there's a reason why it's called windows, windows are easy to break |
| 13:49.23 | directhex|work | kbrooks, it's already a headache when all i do is boot it, log in, and click a game icon |
| 13:49.27 | kbrooks | MobyTurbo: nice analogy |
| 13:49.40 | ToMMY2k | Badgers/Guerin: Thanks for the links but that page about unreslved symbols was absolutly useless. I have searched google and I am having a hard time finding anything (or perhaps I should say understanding) how to fix this problem |
| 13:50.27 | jm_ | badgers is '/' not in your list of separators? |
| 13:50.28 | badgers | bugger all, i dunno, jm_ |
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| 13:50.32 | jm_ | it figures |
| 13:50.41 | Guerin | ToMMY2k: it's easy: build the module you're building against the headers of the kernel you're going to run it with |
| 13:50.48 | MobyTurbo | ToMMY2k: Badgers is a bot |
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| 13:50.55 | Guerin | badgers == dpkg |
| 13:50.56 | badgers | Guerin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 13:51.00 | Guerin | see? |
| 13:51.06 | directhex|work | !nvidia-installer |
| 13:51.17 | directhex|work | a recent copy of dpkg at that |
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| 13:51.42 | Markrian | Can I suggest that the topic be changed so that "/msg dpkg" appears as "/msg badgers"? |
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| 13:52.12 | jm_ | Markrian: you have m y permission |
| 13:52.41 | Guerin | ToMMY2k: by 'the headers' I mean the correctly named and configured kernel source tree your built your custom kernel from, orr the kernel-headers-`uname -r` package of your running debian kernel |
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| 13:53.21 | ToMMY2k | Guerin: well I am, or at least I think I am doing that. The module docs say do make KERNELDIR=xxxx so I have compiled a kernel, and installed it. I have then tried to build the module against the source which was successful. On installation I get errors, does it sould like I have done anything wrong? |
| 13:53.29 | Markrian | jm_, er, I'm no op ;o |
| 13:53.38 | bender-RW- | is there a well-defined way to tell my debian sarge not to start a particular service in a runlevel using 'update-rc.d'? |
| 13:53.46 | jm_ | Markrian: yes, that would be the thing, we need one of the ops to do it ;) |
| 13:54.01 | Guerin | bender-RW-: man update-rc.d :) |
| 13:54.01 | bender-RW- | i tried "update-rc.d apache2 start 91 3 .", but that gets me "System startup links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist." |
| 13:54.07 | Markrian | Come on ops, do your job... |
| 13:54.11 | Stefan` | in X the keyboard key for the character "bigger than" and "smaller than" doesn't work - what can i do? |
| 13:54.13 | jm_ | bender-RW-: use sysv-rc-conf if you can't figure it out |
| 13:54.13 | Guerin | bender-RW-: use --force |
| 13:54.18 | caphuso | bender-RW-: easier to just use rm |
| 13:54.19 | Guerin | or similar |
| 13:54.20 | bender-RW- | Guerin: as it seems i'm too stupid for that :) |
| 13:54.24 | streuner_ | bender-RW-: update-rc.d -f blah remove? |
| 13:54.31 | directhex|work | Stefan`, reconfigure X, pick pc105 not pc104 |
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| 13:54.45 | Markrian | s/\/msg\ dpkg/\/msg\ badgers/ in the topic! |
| 13:54.50 | bender-RW- | i don't want to remove it completele, just not have it started in runlevel 2 |
| 13:55.09 | bender-RW- | usually I just do mv S92apache s92apache :) |
| 13:55.18 | Stefan` | directhex|work, kk |
| 13:56.22 | TinoW | bender-RW-: man update-rc.d |
| 13:56.31 | Guerin | TinoW: try to keep up |
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| 13:57.07 | TinoW | Guerin: just in case he did not read it :) |
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| 13:57.23 | fatal__ | Markrian: use another separator... (like s#foo#bar/quux# ) ... :) |
| 13:57.25 | bender-RW- | Tino: that manpage is all about adding links, not removing them |
| 13:57.32 | jm_ | wrong |
| 13:57.49 | bender-RW- | sorry that was intended for TinoW |
| 13:57.50 | Stefan` | >>><<< :) |
| 13:57.55 | Bogaurd | is there an apt-get command i can issue to automatically setup apache with php4, mysql-server & ssl support? |
| 13:58.11 | alice|wl | lo, I have a sarge router which has problems with high upload stream. The connectin gets " pppd[30065]: Terminating on signal 15. " my ISP says its the routers fault, my that have something todo wiht keepalive |
| 13:58.13 | MobyTurbo | fatal__: baz comes before quux ;-) |
| 13:58.16 | Markrian | fatal__, nah, I like my way ;0 |
| 13:58.21 | TinoW | bender-RW-: update-rc.d [-n] [-f] name remove |
| 13:58.31 | TinoW | bender-RW-: or do you have another man page? :) |
| 13:58.52 | fatal__ | MobyTurbo: bah.. I hate baz... to easy to confuse with bar when tired... ;] |
| 13:59.17 | TinoW | apt-get install anything |
| 13:59.18 | TinoW | :-) |
| 13:59.23 | memic | Bogaurd dotdeb.org |
| 13:59.45 | bender-RW- | TinoW: I don't want to remove it completely, just tell my system not to run it in runlevel 2 |
| 13:59.56 | caphuso | bender-RW-: rm /etc/rc2.d/*apache |
| 13:59.59 | TinoW | bender-RW-: so go read that man file. Its all there |
| 14:00.02 | caphuso | how hard can that be? |
| 14:00.07 | fatal__ | bender-RW-: rm /etc/rc2.d/*foobar and be done with it.... |
| 14:00.13 | naenae | bender-rw-: use sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:00.17 | TinoW | bender-RW-: update-rc.d is not apt-get remove --purge |
| 14:00.19 | Bogaurd | memic, so there is a way i can make it all install at once? |
| 14:00.42 | naenae | bender-rw-: emerge it. it's very easy. it's an ncurses-frontend to configuring services |
| 14:00.45 | naenae | er |
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| 14:00.45 | naenae | apt-get it |
| 14:00.46 | naenae | sorry |
| 14:00.51 | js_ | how can i check which irq a pci device uses? |
| 14:00.53 | js_ | like my nic |
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| 14:00.59 | naenae | js_: lspci i think |
| 14:01.01 | caphuso | js_: /proc/interrupts |
| 14:01.15 | hipp | what does fatal screen error mean? |
| 14:01.16 | lilo | I set up a MacWorld Expo channel for those who are interested in Mac hardware.... ##mwsf .... we need a typist at the keynote address in 3 hours to do reporting |
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| 14:01.30 | directhex|work | lilo, that's nice for you |
| 14:01.35 | lilo | I mention it on #debian because I figure there are some people lurking here who might be interested |
| 14:01.37 | shew | Is the mozilla in testing a bit broken with respect to css and percentage-width positioning as it seems? |
| 14:01.43 | kbrooks | lilo: ok. me, then. |
| 14:01.55 | raghu | how to install fonts for openoofice |
| 14:01.56 | memic | Bogaurd apt-get install apache mysql php4 .. |
| 14:01.58 | lilo | kbrooks: you're there? |
| 14:02.16 | kbrooks | :P heh no |
| 14:02.20 | lilo | I'd better get moving or I won't be at work in plenty of time, the vagarities of buses |
| 14:02.56 | raghu | how to install fonts for openoofice?? |
| 14:03.13 | Guerin | raghu: 1) install fonts 2) restart openoffice |
| 14:03.18 | Bogaurd | memic, will that tie them all together? i installed them one by one, and php in apache wouldnt work etc |
| 14:03.19 | mwilson | shew: Not any more so than CSS is in general. |
| 14:03.27 | simonrvn | raghu: man apt-get, man apt-cache. |
| 14:03.38 | naenae | raghu: copy ttf fonts to /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ then run defoma-reconfigure |
| 14:03.39 | shew | A number of sites just don't fit correctly with the mozilla in testing, work just fine in konqueror, and...doing a width-test putting two 40% items next to each other shows things not working right. (But I may be confused.) |
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| 14:04.29 | simonrvn | mozilla's CSS support is better than konqueror's. i did a side-by-side test with the test pages at www.w3.org |
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| 14:04.53 | simonrvn | mozilla fails ona couple of things, but konqueror did too at the same spots ;) |
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| 14:05.00 | mwilson | shew: (a) Did I invite you to /msg me, and I just don't remember it? (b) Where did I say anything about bugs in Mozilla? |
| 14:05.40 | raghu | naenae simonrvn Guerin: i want to install helvetica in openoofice........apt-get install <packagename>...can you tell me package name |
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| 14:06.30 | neenee | raghu: apt-cache search helvetica ? |
| 14:06.37 | neenee | or try searching apt-get.org |
| 14:06.45 | neenee | (i am naenae) |
| 14:06.54 | neenee | (but this is my normal nick) |
| 14:06.54 | caphuso | no, you're neenee |
| 14:06.56 | neenee | :) |
| 14:06.58 | neenee | i know |
| 14:07.00 | neenee | hush ;) |
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| 14:07.24 | shew | mwilson: (a) I didn't realize it was rude, and I didn't want to bother the public room with what might be well-known stuff that would be bothersome to mention to bunches of people. (b) I asked if there were css bugs in testing mozilla about one specific thing, and a response saying "Not any more so than CSS is in general" could be referring to other css bugs in mozilla, or it could be referring to you personally thinking that css itself is broekn in some way. |
| 14:07.28 | simonrvn | raghu: "apt-cache search helvetica" too hard? |
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| 14:07.55 | neenee | simonrvn: i already suggested that |
| 14:08.06 | simonrvn | so? |
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| 14:08.21 | shew | simonrvn: Hmm. I noticed slashdot itself getting all screwy when going from a 6-month-old build to the one in debian testing. |
| 14:08.22 | neenee | well, it's not needed.. nor is the sarcasm i think. |
| 14:08.47 | simonrvn | neenee: please don't lecture me |
| 14:08.50 | mwilson | shew: Yes, but whoinhell gives a damn about slashcrap? |
| 14:08.57 | neenee | very well. |
| 14:08.57 | raghu | simonrvn : no.....but it shows following |
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| 14:09.18 | raghu | libgd-gd2-noxpm-perl - Perl module wrapper for libgd - gd2 variant without XPM support |
| 14:09.18 | raghu | libgd-gd2-perl - Perl module wrapper for libgd - gd2 variant |
| 14:09.18 | raghu | mgm - A highly configurable, very gaudy system load meter |
| 14:09.18 | raghu | tipa - System for processing phonetic symbols in LaTeX |
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| 14:09.23 | simonrvn | raghu: don't show it to me... |
| 14:09.34 | simonrvn | ~~~~~~~~6~ |
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| 14:10.49 | valdyn_ | shew: that slashdot "bug" is probably related to the font used, not the age of build, at least i remember something like that |
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| 14:12.47 | simonrvn | raghu: 1) stop pasting in here 2) apt-cache search xfonts 3) helvetica comes with some of the more basic font packages. 4) http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 14:12.54 | kbrooks | can i setup a chroot for sid? is it easy? |
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| 14:13.16 | Stefan` | what's the cmd for getting all files from installed packet x? |
| 14:13.29 | abrotman | dpkg -L x |
| 14:13.29 | directhex|work | dpkg -L foo ? |
| 14:13.37 | jm_ | Stefan`: read the FAQ |
| 14:13.43 | Stefan` | sry |
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| 14:14.47 | tarzeau | someone is asking me for permission to translate the #debian faq at the wiki. how should translations of wiki be handled? |
| 14:14.56 | kbrooks | !faqsmite kbrooks |
| 14:15.21 | kbrooks | badgers: faqsmite kbrooks |
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| 14:15.31 | kbrooks | ht/ |
| 14:15.33 | kbrooks | gr. |
| 14:15.35 | simonrvn | kbrooks: #debian-bots or /msg |
| 14:15.51 | mwilson | tarzeau: How do you plan on stopping them, since it's a wiki? |
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| 14:16.00 | Guerin | tarzeau: ask tarzeau |
| 14:16.04 | bob2 | tarzeau: hola |
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| 14:16.26 | tarzeau | mwilson: i don't want to stop them. but i would like it kinda organized a little bit |
| 14:16.39 | tarzeau | bob2: hola |
| 14:17.07 | tarzeau | mwilson: if moinmoin allowed translation from the wiki side i mean |
| 14:17.23 | Guerin | tarzeau: let's license it under the GNU FDL |
| 14:17.27 | Guerin | </flamebait> |
| 14:17.31 | simonrvn | @lart Guerin |
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| 14:17.42 | Guerin | haha |
| 14:17.52 | Guerin | bunny will pwn j00r squirrels |
| 14:18.30 | simonrvn | so will badgers |
| 14:18.48 | directhex|work | !bunnicula simonrvn |
| 14:18.58 | simonrvn | w00t |
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| 14:19.07 | kbrooks | i need to be cleared up on chroot. |
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| 14:19.38 | kbrooks | what must you do before the chroot? if you are installing sid that is |
| 14:20.02 | simonrvn | apt-get install debootstrap; man debootstrap |
| 14:20.06 | kbrooks | ok |
| 14:20.13 | kbrooks | thanks |
| 14:20.18 | simonrvn | s/apt/sudo apt/ |
| 14:20.51 | kbrooks | ok |
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| 14:22.38 | kbrooks | yay |
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| 14:26.24 | kbrooks | can i move the chroot out of /dev/hda1 onto a partition and access the chroot directly? |
| 14:26.35 | kbrooks | access it via boot loader |
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| 14:28.08 | roby | Sub : Bangladesh Interested Air-condition jointly assembled or manufacturer support for foreign Investors . |
| 14:28.09 | roby | Dear Sir/Madam, |
| 14:28.09 | roby | We are Businessman in Air-condition import since 1983. Now we are thinking setup one air-condition joint venture Assembled support in Bangladesh. Because This moment many international aircondition company setup plant in India Market. Now we are interested one assembled factory setup now in Bangladesh .Our labors cost, land cost, foreign investment policy is good, etc. We are import all raw materials and spear parts, then assembled in Bangladesh. I |
| 14:28.09 | roby | like jointly business in Bangladesh Aircondition Market with you businessman or any foreign businessman. This year Bangladesh in WTO and other Asian community. Their have many requirements every year needs 30,000 Units Residential and Industrial and day by day 20% up . All ready establish in Bangladesh Singapore Bangladesh jointly Aircondition manufacturers factory and now coming china & Thailand company. So, we are setup one assembled |
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| 14:28.39 | Guerin | what the fuck |
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| 14:28.50 | caphuso | that's one damn stupid spam |
| 14:28.56 | Guerin | that's by far the stupidest thing I've seen all day |
| 14:29.03 | Guerin | and it's 23:26:21 |
| 14:29.07 | caphuso | Guerin: heh |
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| 14:30.32 | Cueball | There any prog to get a page from the web and have it as a pipeable output like when you cat a file? |
| 14:30.44 | caphuso | Cueball: lynx -dump |
| 14:30.46 | Guerin | Cueball: lynx -source |
| 14:30.52 | Cueball | Cheers :) |
| 14:31.15 | roby | Sub : Bangladesh Interested Air-condition jointly assembled or manufacturer support for foreign Investors . |
| 14:31.17 | roby | Dear Sir/Madam, |
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| 14:32.11 | abrotman | we killed dpkg again? |
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| 14:33.08 | caphuso | (roughly an hour ago) |
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| 14:34.58 | PerfDave | Poor dpkg :( |
| 14:35.35 | kvn_ | Hmm, anyone else get vim crashes after that last update? I just checked BTS and couldn't find anything (vim also wasn't updated) |
| 14:35.35 | alice|wl | lo, I have a sarge router which has problems with high upload stream. The connectin gets " pppd[30065]: Terminating on signal 15. " my ISP says its the routers fault, might that have something todo wiht keepalive |
| 14:35.43 | sussudio | !do PerfDave |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | it's ppp .. don't abuse it |
| 14:35.55 | kbrooks | ok, how can i access tty8 |
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| 14:36.01 | asg | kbrooks: chvt 8 |
| 14:36.08 | abrotman | we have no dpkg :( |
| 14:36.15 | kbrooks | ok |
| 14:36.18 | kbrooks | test |
| 14:36.22 | abrotman | you're dead |
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| 14:37.04 | abrotman | dpkg: come back! |
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| 14:37.44 | paulswm | someone should prolly update the topic then |
| 14:37.47 | Xemacs_ | dpkg is the reason I am here! |
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| 14:38.16 | PerfDave | Without dpkg we actually have to talk to people and remember URLs |
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| 14:39.05 | caphuso | and do ourselves... |
| 14:39.27 | paulswm | that's a picture i could have done without |
| 14:39.57 | kbrooks | ok |
| 14:40.20 | caphuso | PerfDave: now THAT's a picture we could have all done without ;-) |
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| 14:40.28 | kbrooks | i have a problem. heh |
| 14:40.35 | kbrooks | with chroot |
| 14:40.38 | abrotman | i have finger balls |
| 14:40.45 | PerfDave | caphuso: Yes, #debian is lapsing into frenzied, lust-soaked masturbation at the very thought. |
| 14:40.45 | Guerin | abrotman: clearly |
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| 14:41.29 | Blissex | kbrooks: which problem? Is it Debian specific? |
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| 14:41.53 | kbrooks | i'm trying to install sid in a chroot |
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| 14:42.45 | kbrooks | debootstrap works, mounting works, etc....but the fstab there is unconfigured. |
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| 14:42.58 | simonrvn | kbrooks: run debootstrap, and chroot into the thing |
| 14:43.09 | kbrooks | already did that. |
| 14:43.26 | simonrvn | so configure it then. what's the problem? |
| 14:43.32 | caphuso | kbrooks: that's expected. you are bypassing the installer and all its magic |
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| 14:43.55 | jm_ | you're using sid and debootstrap - you're supposed to know what you're doing |
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| 14:44.02 | kbrooks | are you sure it is expected? |
| 14:44.12 | kbrooks | ok, jm_ |
| 14:44.16 | Xemacs_ | kbrooks, I have a html file that may help, it is for stable, but my show you a few tircks would you like it >? |
| 14:44.23 | kbrooks | sure. |
| 14:44.39 | Xemacs_ | I will send to you ;) |
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| 14:44.51 | kbrooks | Xemacs_: /dcc send kbrooks /path/to/file |
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| 14:45.12 | Xemacs_ | thats what i am about todo |
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| 14:49.59 | Xemacs_ | kbrooks, hope that helps |
| 14:50.24 | thegap | hi everybody |
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| 14:50.43 | possie | hi |
| 14:50.56 | thegap | anybody knows about a spanish-debian channel on this server? |
| 14:50.59 | a-atwood | Hi, Dr. Nick! |
| 14:51.08 | dondelelcaro | !test |
| 14:51.09 | badgers | No, dondelelcaro, you're not online any more. |
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| 14:52.08 | asg | thegap: #debian-es |
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| 14:53.14 | Xemacs_ | dpkg is back YEAH!! |
| 14:53.15 | dpkg | Xemacs_: are you smoking crack? |
| 14:53.37 | thegap | gracias asg |
| 14:53.42 | thegap | digo thnx |
| 14:53.50 | sussudio | !test |
| 14:53.50 | badgers | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 14:53.50 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 14:54.48 | Guerin | !wb dpkg |
| 14:54.51 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 14:54.51 | bob2 | hrm, removing my shitty linksys fro mthe equation seems to stop my dsl going down every 5 seconds |
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| 14:55.26 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: sabotage? |
| 14:55.39 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: nah, it just locks perl up |
| 14:55.44 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: which is rather unusual |
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| 14:57.30 | hoe | hi, can any of the GNU disk partitioning sw's do enlarging/shrinking of w95 fat32 lba partitions? |
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| 14:57.54 | grivell | hoe: parted can |
| 14:58.36 | PerfDave | parted can, I think qtparted can too. |
| 14:58.49 | vchrizz | is there any traffic/bandwidth control app for debian? (preferred shellapp) |
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| 14:59.07 | PerfDave | vchrizz: tc, tcng? |
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| 15:00.06 | hoe | grivell, PerfDave, Is it possible to to this kind of operations with a extended partition, e.g. with parted? |
| 15:00.18 | PerfDave | hoe: It should be. |
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| 15:00.23 | vchrizz | PerfDave, tcng.. thx ;) |
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| 15:02.22 | liten_ | i have debian on a laptop... and i want my usb storage 128 mb to work... but no connection with usb port.. what should i do?? |
| 15:02.23 | darkskiez | Jan 11 14:37:17 flexo kernel: SCSI disk error : host 0 channel 0 id 1 lun 0 return code = 10000 |
| 15:02.23 | darkskiez | Jan 11 14:37:55 flexo kernel: I/O error: dev 08:16, sector 7472 |
| 15:02.45 | bob2 | darkskiez: usb layer and/or usb stick is fucked |
| 15:02.51 | bob2 | if you're 2.6.9, I'd suspect the former |
| 15:02.51 | hoe | PerfDave, grivell, ok, really ty |
| 15:02.53 | darkskiez | bob2: scsi hard disk |
| 15:02.58 | bob2 | oh, ouch |
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| 15:03.16 | darkskiez | bob2: machine crashes, needs reset.... |
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| 15:03.36 | abrotman | dpkg: yay |
| 15:03.37 | dpkg | yay! |
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| 15:06.15 | swatikiss | i've been sitting here trying to get jre plugin loaded in my browsers... now, when i run browser i get an error "INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: Could not get the plugin manager" |
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| 15:06.26 | bob2 | can anyone see any advantage to making a tiny support channel +m and +v'ing people on-join? |
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| 15:06.36 | caphuso | bob2: me |
| 15:06.42 | bob2 | e.g.? |
| 15:06.52 | SlayerXP | bob2: yeah, it means you can shut people up without banning me |
| 15:07.06 | bob2 | SlayerXP: banning you is the best part of the job! |
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| 15:08.27 | caphuso | bob2: 15:28 roby> Dear Sir/Madam, |
| 15:08.27 | caphuso | 15:28 roby> We are Businessman in Air-condition import since 1983. Now we are |
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| 15:09.12 | bob2 | caphuso: ? |
| 15:10.00 | asg | bob2: his example for your +m/+v support channel |
| 15:10.01 | liten_ | hallo |
| 15:10.16 | caphuso | bob2: half an hour ago roby came in, spamming with what looks like a typical text of a spam mail. pretty good example why +m is a Good Thing |
| 15:10.31 | bob2 | caphuso: it's auto+m or everyone who joins |
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| 15:10.44 | caphuso | bob2: parse error |
| 15:10.48 | Phated | How're you going to decide who to +v and who not to, though? |
| 15:11.00 | bob2 | caphuso: everyone who joins gets +v from chanop |
| 15:11.06 | bob2 | Phated: in this example it's just everyone |
| 15:11.11 | caphuso | bob2: that's, uhm, stupid |
| 15:11.17 | Phated | That isn't going to stop people like that idiot spammer. |
| 15:11.25 | bob2 | I know |
| 15:11.31 | Phated | And would amount to not having +m at all. |
| 15:11.32 | bob2 | this is what I'm wondering about :) |
| 15:11.37 | caphuso | ... except when you're on a network without +q |
| 15:11.43 | grivell | You can always /ignore |
| 15:12.02 | sep | auto+v only those identified users |
| 15:12.02 | Guerin | grivell: ignoring doesn't make the problem go away |
| 15:12.04 | fatal__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.16 | liten_ | are there som usb driver you have to install... so the usb can be activate? |
| 15:12.18 | grivell | Guerin: Sure it does ;) |
| 15:12.36 | Guerin | liten_: depends |
| 15:12.38 | caphuso | liten_: several |
| 15:12.53 | bob2 | fatal__: what's the gain over +b'ing abusers? |
| 15:13.10 | fatal__ | bob2: they can listen and learn without bugging anyone. |
| 15:13.18 | bob2 | hm |
| 15:13.21 | liten_ | guerin and caphuso some advices? |
| 15:13.37 | Guerin | liten_: come up with a usable question. |
| 15:13.38 | caphuso | liten_: what kernel and debian version? |
| 15:13.52 | asg | fatal__: though that presupposes that they will listen and learn and not just get pissed and leave |
| 15:14.03 | liten_ | debian... sarge |
| 15:14.05 | fatal__ | asg: if they leave it's their loss... |
| 15:14.11 | FieldySnuts | @win fatal__ |
| 15:14.14 | ravenbird | Congratulations, fatal__! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 15:14.23 | Phated | He makes a point. |
| 15:14.28 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 15:14.29 | liten_ | caphuso i can look a little bit better wait |
| 15:14.39 | caphuso | liten_: uname -r |
| 15:14.40 | asg | fatal__: agreed, though learning is best done through and active dialectic process, not just by passive viewing. |
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| 15:14.50 | bob2 | hm |
| 15:15.02 | liten_ | caphuso in terminal? |
| 15:15.11 | caphuso | liten_: yes |
| 15:15.24 | caphuso | preferably in a terminal running a shell |
| 15:15.30 | pngwn | I doubt that most people who get +b aren't interested in learning anything. |
| 15:15.43 | bob2 | my wrt54g doesn't seem to support relaying dhcp |
| 15:15.51 | pngwn | s/are/aren't/ |
| 15:15.52 | ricky_clarkson | @mozilla java |
| 15:15.53 | ravenbird | apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1; cd /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins; wget ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape6/english/6.2.3/unix/linux22/xpi/jre.xpi; unzip jre.xpi; mv jre1.3.1_02 java2; ln -s java2/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so ./ |
| 15:16.12 | caphuso | bob2: upgrade the OS |
| 15:16.16 | fatal__ | asg: yes ofcourse, but alot of people visiting irc isn't civilized so you can't let them lose. |
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| 15:16.33 | liten_ | caphuso 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 15:16.44 | asg | fatal__: a vicious circle |
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| 15:16.56 | bob2 | caphuso: hm, this is some dodgy ewrt firmware |
| 15:17.12 | St0n3-C0l | what do i write for debian unstable in apt-get ? |
| 15:17.16 | St0n3-C0l | for sources |
| 15:17.21 | asg | St0n3-C0l: /msg dpkg sid fawq |
| 15:17.22 | fatal__ | asg: by not banning them you atleast give them an option to look at how "the other monkeys play"... |
| 15:17.24 | asg | *faq |
| 15:17.26 | Guerin | St0n3-C0l: you don't |
| 15:17.35 | possie | anyone ever got pwmconfig to work? looks like a pain in the ass, in my bios i _can_ read the rpm of my fan |
| 15:17.53 | caphuso | liten_: do you have hotplug installed? |
| 15:17.53 | asg | fatal__: hmmm, true |
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| 15:18.46 | liten_ | caphuso i dont think so.. or if i im onest i dont know.. ? =) what command to install? |
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| 15:19.34 | liten_ | i have it installed |
| 15:19.35 | caphuso | liten_: use your preferred packagage management frontend |
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| 15:20.00 | caphuso | liten_: that should take care of it |
| 15:20.10 | liten_ | caphuso " the latest version installed it says" |
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| 15:20.34 | caphuso | liten_: good |
| 15:20.49 | johnnyST | Is it possible to get video out working on a ATI radeon 9600 M10? |
| 15:21.21 | liten_ | caphuso yes its good but is not working |
| 15:21.31 | caphuso | liten_: says what? |
| 15:21.43 | bob2 | johnnyST: try #freedesktop or #xorg (I forget which) |
| 15:22.03 | johnnyST | yes I know those :) |
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| 15:22.32 | zulkifar | Hi. I have a problem with my system - it just totally hangs. It happened 3 times for last hour. I reviewed logs but found nothing helpful there. What to do now? :( |
| 15:22.40 | liten_ | caphuso i have the latest version it says..... and i put in the usb storage 128 mb... but its not connecting and i cant se no device in my computer |
| 15:23.15 | caphuso | liten_: plug it in and then run "dmesg", check if the kernel registered it |
| 15:23.25 | liten_ | caphuso k |
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| 15:23.34 | PerfDave | caphuso: won't it show up in /var/log/messages rather than dmesg? |
| 15:23.52 | caphuso | # dmesg |
| 15:23.52 | caphuso | usb 5-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 |
| 15:24.10 | TinoW | lsusb |
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| 15:24.28 | PerfDave | caphuso: Maybe it's both then. |
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| 15:24.49 | caphuso | urgh... lynx still logs all my stuff with syslog |
| 15:24.53 | jenipapo | hi all |
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| 15:25.22 | liten_ | sorry for this but sombody can maybe help me :P |
| 15:25.23 | liten_ | PerfDave caphuso: Maybe it's both then. |
| 15:25.23 | jenipapo | Where is now apt-setup in sarge? |
| 15:25.36 | liten_ | ohh sorry dident copy well wait |
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| 15:26.01 | liten_ | Linux version 2.4.27-1-386 (joshk@trollwife) (gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-9)) #1 Fri Sep 3 06:24:46 UTC 2004 |
| 15:26.01 | liten_ | BIOS-provided physical RAM map: |
| 15:26.01 | liten_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.01 | liten_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.01 | liten_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:26.17 | DerJamster | jenipapo: What? |
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| 15:26.31 | liten_ | You can enable it with acpi=force |
| 15:26.33 | liten_ | Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 15:26.35 | liten_ | Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling. |
| 15:26.37 | liten_ | Could not enable APIC! |
| 15:26.39 | liten_ | Initializing CPU#0 |
| 15:26.40 | sussudio | ban time |
| 15:26.41 | liten_ | Detected 601.373 MHz processor. |
| 15:26.43 | liten_ | Console: colour VGA+ 80x25 |
| 15:26.45 | liten_ | Calibrating delay loop... 1199.30 BogoMIPS |
| 15:26.48 | jenipapo | DerJamster: apt-setup is no more in sarge... |
| 15:26.49 | liten_ | Memory: 188336k/196544k available (1065k kernel code, 7820k reserved, 457k data, 96k init, 0k highmem) |
| 15:26.51 | sussudio | !ops |
| 15:26.51 | dpkg | somebody said ops was please use ops <problem> so the ops know why you have summoned them |
| 15:26.51 | liten_ | Dentry cache hash table entries: 32768 (order: 6, 262144 bytes) |
| 15:26.51 | caphuso | liten_: stop that! |
| 15:26.53 | liten_ | Inode cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes) |
| 15:26.54 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 15:26.55 | liten_ | Mount cache hash table entries: 512 (order: 0, 4096 bytes) |
| 15:26.57 | liten_ | Buffer cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) |
| 15:26.58 | DerJamster | liten_: did you even read the kick message? |
| 15:26.58 | *** mode/#debian [+q liten_!*@*] by caphuso |
| 15:27.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 15:27.11 | Radiance | ehm |
| 15:27.15 | zzyber | Okey im trying again. I have kernel 2.6.9 and i try to burn a cd. I have my cdrw on /dev/hdd. When i do cdrecord dev=ATAPI i get my cdrw on 0,1,0 and then i do cdrecord dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 "program to burn" When i do this my cdrw hangs and i cant even open th slot. What can i do????? |
| 15:27.22 | DerJamster | jenipapo: yes, it is |
| 15:27.40 | DerJamster | package is cbase-config, location is usr/sbin/apt-setup |
| 15:27.45 | DerJamster | er, base-config |
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| 15:29.09 | zulkifar | Hi. I have a problem with my system - it just totally hangs. It happened 3 times for last hour. I reviewed logs but found nothing helpful there. Any ideas? |
| 15:29.14 | lanchow | how to get the java plugin for mozilla ? i've found differents answer with google, but it doesn't works |
| 15:29.18 | zulkifar | s/Hi./ |
| 15:29.26 | DerJamster | zulkifar: run a hardware check on your memory |
| 15:29.31 | DerJamster | ZenithDK: is the temeprature okay? |
| 15:29.34 | PerfDave | lanchow: /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 15:29.48 | zulkifar | DerJamster: hardware check?? |
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| 15:29.53 | tuxillo | hi! :D |
| 15:29.58 | DerJamster | or rather, a simple memcheck |
| 15:30.10 | lanchow | thx |
| 15:30.18 | jenipapo | DerJamster: you are right, i cant explain why it deseaper from my system |
| 15:30.28 | DerJamster | zulkifar: apt-get install memtest86 |
| 15:30.28 | tuxillo | has anyone worked with a Via C3 equiped laptop? |
| 15:30.31 | zulkifar | DerJamster: memtest86? |
| 15:30.34 | zulkifar | DerJamster: ok |
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| 15:30.51 | DerJamster | zulkifar: also check the temperature of your cpu |
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| 15:31.09 | zulkifar | DerJamster: actually, its already installed... Once I booted it but it worked too long so I cancel it :) |
| 15:31.29 | zulkifar | DerJamster: how to know CPU temp? |
| 15:31.33 | DerJamster | Is the box on a LAN? |
| 15:31.40 | jack__ | where should I put static network routes I want to keep afther a reboot ? |
| 15:31.40 | zulkifar | DerJamster: yes |
| 15:31.45 | DerJamster | bios. Don't know any software that checks it on top of my head |
| 15:31.50 | caphuso | jack__: /msg dpkg static route |
| 15:31.53 | DerJamster | Next time it should hang, try sshing into it |
| 15:32.00 | DerJamster | If that's possible, blame X |
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| 15:32.21 | jack__ | caphuso: thanks |
| 15:32.22 | DerJamster | (and kill the process) |
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| 15:32.30 | caphuso | zulkifar: lm-sensors or mbmon |
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| 15:33.44 | simonm | how can i terminate leading whitespaces in a shellscript? |
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| 15:34.34 | linuxbcn | hi |
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| 15:36.34 | zulkifar | DerJamster: is Xorg more stable then X11? |
| 15:37.11 | Guerin | zulkifar: is 96 octane more flammable than petrol? |
| 15:37.27 | ledet | simonm: use a regular expression |
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| 15:37.40 | Guerin | !awk cheats |
| 15:37.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, awk cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 15:37.41 | caphuso | simonm: echo " this is a test" | sed -e 's/^[<space><control-v><tab>]*//' |
| 15:37.43 | Guerin | simonm: ^^^ |
| 15:37.49 | ledet | simonm: if you by "terminate" mean remove |
| 15:37.54 | zulkifar | Guerin: where have I mistaken? :) |
| 15:37.55 | EL_Oberon | I have a problem compiling my kernel can someone help plz? |
| 15:38.01 | simonm | ok, thank you guys |
| 15:38.08 | EL_Oberon | I need to past the error on flood |
| 15:38.26 | Guerin | zulkifar: X11 is a protocol. xorg, by which I presume you mean the xorg server, is an X server implementing that protocol |
| 15:38.52 | DerJamster | zulkifar: Well, it's more or less the 'successor' to xfree86, if you wanna call it that. Actually it's a branch by other people, but it has the better development. |
| 15:38.54 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 15:38.59 | zulkifar | Guerin: ok, I stupid :) I mean xfree86 |
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| 15:41.21 | ddfire | hi i have a pendrive but i cant mount it what i should do ? |
| 15:42.33 | EL_Oberon | while compiling the kernel " make dep && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install" I get an error in Rules.make' has modification time 6.7e+07 s in the future |
| 15:42.37 | EL_Oberon | how can i fix this |
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| 15:43.14 | PerfDave | EL_Oberon: Don't use make to compile a kernel, use make-kpkg |
| 15:43.33 | affi | adjust the system date to current date |
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| 15:44.42 | simonrvn | @awk cheats |
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| 15:45.00 | simonrvn | @awk cheats is <reply>see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/awk/awk1line.txt |
| 15:45.01 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
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| 15:47.06 | __D4V3__ | sup people |
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| 15:48.01 | EL_Oberon | PerfDave, so the command must become make-kpkg dep && make-kpkg bzImage && make-kpkg modules && make-kpkg modules_install ? |
| 15:48.10 | kevinz | hello, how to make some program run at startup of gnome for a particular user |
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| 15:48.45 | PerfDave | EL_Oberon: No |
| 15:48.45 | kensai | kevinz, put it on Desktop Preferences -> Sessions |
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| 15:49.00 | Guerin | simonrvn: there's a sed cheats too |
| 15:49.05 | EL_Oberon | what should it become then |
| 15:49.06 | PerfDave | EL_Oberon: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:49.07 | Guerin | simonrvn: by the same geezer |
| 15:49.15 | jsbiff | Hello |
| 15:49.27 | zamson | question: im tryin to forward port 3500 to my desktop. Im using vpn on debian with a firewall script. Can someone tell me whats wrong with this string? $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $INET_IFACE -p tcp --dport 3500 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.3:3500 |
| 15:49.43 | kevinz | kensai, thank you! may i know what file is configured by that tool? |
| 15:49.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: got it |
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| 15:50.10 | Guerin | simonrvn: all I know about awk or sed I learned from those pages :) |
| 15:50.21 | simonrvn | very handy |
| 15:50.31 | simonrvn | i plan on mirroring them |
| 15:50.38 | kensai | kevinz, that I don't know |
| 15:51.09 | kevinz | kensai, ah, ok, thank you :) |
| 15:51.16 | jsbiff | Is there a guide to compiling the kernel for debian, somewhere? I know, generally, how to compile a linux kernel |
| 15:51.19 | jsbiff | but |
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| 15:51.33 | jethro | jsbiff: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package once you installed it |
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| 15:51.48 | McCabe | hello |
| 15:51.55 | jsbiff | ok |
| 15:52.15 | simonrvn | jsbiff: http://newbiedoc.sf.net/ # there's a kernel section |
| 15:52.55 | mick_laptop | hello everyone |
| 15:53.00 | jethro | hi mick_laptop |
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| 15:53.07 | mick_laptop | anyone know if there is a DocBook sgml to xml dsl? |
| 15:53.32 | PerfDave | jsbiff: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 15:53.41 | jsbiff | Anyone have any experience with installing the NVidia accellerated drivers from the NVidia website? |
| 15:53.48 | jethro | !anyone |
| 15:53.48 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 15:53.48 | PerfDave | jsbiff: Don't |
| 15:53.55 | PerfDave | Compiling kernels in Debian is also documented in the Installation Manual |
| 15:53.58 | jethro | jsbiff: use the debian packages instead |
| 15:53.58 | derel1ct | help, anyone able to use the epson 2480 scanner in debian ? |
| 15:54.02 | PerfDave | jsbiff: /msg dpkg nvidia, use module-assistant |
| 15:54.07 | jsbiff | jethro: well, I tried using the debian packages |
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| 15:54.12 | jsbiff | they used to work |
| 15:54.13 | mick_laptop | how is everyone this (morning|afternoon|night) *depending on your tiimezone* |
| 15:54.14 | jethro | jsbiff: try till you succeed |
| 15:54.16 | mick_laptop | :D |
| 15:54.18 | derel1ct | i get a weird error |
| 15:54.20 | jsbiff | but I just updated my system, and now they won't load |
| 15:54.27 | usn | hi folx |
| 15:54.27 | PerfDave | jsbiff: What did you update? |
| 15:54.29 | jsbiff | nvidia.o won't load, tht is |
| 15:54.32 | jethro | jsbiff: if you update the kernel, you need to update the modules as well |
| 15:54.37 | TinoW | mick_laptop: cannot speak for everyone ;) |
| 15:54.50 | PerfDave | jsbiff: Use module-assistant, re-run it every time you boot into a new kernel. |
| 15:54.51 | directhex|work | jsbiff, "dpkg -l udev", what does it say? |
| 15:54.55 | jethro | jsbiff: if you update the kernel, you need to update/rebuild the modules even |
| 15:55.01 | jsbiff | I'm using the testing distro of Debian, and did an apt-get update; apt-get -u dist-upgrade last night |
| 15:55.05 | jsbiff | just a sec |
| 15:55.07 | AdeP_ | Damn, my supervisor has asked me to find software to fullfill a given functionality. I found about 5 free packages that are opensource and free, but they insist they want to pay for something. Weird. |
| 15:55.11 | mick_laptop | oh do i hate those flames that come when you just say "hi" |
| 15:55.31 | jethro | mick_laptop: just don't care about flames :) |
| 15:55.33 | petemc | AdeP_: give money to the people that wrote the free software |
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| 15:55.52 | jethro | hi greycat |
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| 15:56.04 | greycat | hi |
| 15:56.21 | AdeP_ | petemc : My supervisor would shoot me for being sarcastic, given that I know what she means. I don't understand why they want to pay for something, when I found a better solution which is free. It just doesn't make sense. |
| 15:56.23 | PerfDave | AdeP_: I'll happily sell you some Free Software :) |
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| 15:56.37 | AdeP_ | PerfDave : :) |
| 15:56.44 | tuxillo | does anyone know something about Via C3 processors performance? |
| 15:56.45 | mick_laptop | so noone here has worked with docbook/sgml? |
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| 15:56.50 | jethro | AdeP_: sometimes companies prefer commercial products since they have somebody to sue if there comes a problem |
| 15:56.50 | jsbiff | directhex: I ran that command. It says a bunch of stuff. But, basically, it looks like it boils down to udev is not installed |
| 15:56.58 | paulswm | AdeP_: most corporate fokks need someone legally liable if something goes wrong |
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| 15:57.01 | greycat | AdeP_: you're new at big business, I take it? |
| 15:57.03 | jethro | AdeP_: when one chooses opensource software all they can do is blame employees |
| 15:57.04 | mick_laptop | please don't flame me for using the word "noone" |
| 15:57.06 | paulswm | *folks |
| 15:57.17 | AdeP_ | PerfDave : I don't even think they're doing it for the support. The last freeware program we tried worked, but had bugs. I think they think paying for something will ensure its bug free. Ha! |
| 15:57.30 | PerfDave | The trouble is that nobody is legally liable for commercial software, becuase it all has horrible EULAs which deny all responsibility. |
| 15:57.32 | AdeP_ | greycat : Queen's University, in Ontario. |
| 15:57.41 | greycat | mick_laptop: we won't flame you for "noone"; we'll flame you for not asking your question in a way that can be answered. |
| 15:57.44 | pngwn | AdeP_, the suits have to have someone to sue ;) |
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| 15:57.56 | mick_laptop | greycat: i was :P |
| 15:57.59 | greycat | AdeP_: ah Academia. A strange world to which I have only been a brief visitor. |
| 15:58.00 | McCabe | since i dont use the tty's vey often, im trying to replace getty with fgetty in /etc/inittab. i thought i could change a line like "3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3" and just set fgetty there instead. but now i dont have any ttys at all, and the first one says something about 'Init: id 1 respawned too fast'... anyone using fgetty and knows the correct way of doing this? |
| 15:58.04 | FieldySnuts | @start a badger war |
| 15:58.04 | directhex|work | jsbiff, so it says 'un' not 'ii'? |
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| 15:58.17 | FieldySnuts | asdf |
| 15:58.18 | mick_laptop | greycat: the question was pretty easy though (tell me if this needs clarification) |
| 15:58.25 | jethro | mick_laptop: |
| 15:58.26 | jethro | jethro@baxor:~$ apt-cache search sgml2xml |
| 15:58.26 | jethro | sp - James Clark's SGML parsing tools |
| 15:58.27 | mick_laptop | anyone know if there is a DocBook sgml to xml dsl? |
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| 15:58.33 | jethro | sorry for the 2 lines paste |
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| 15:58.45 | mick_laptop | aah thanks |
| 15:58.56 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 15:58.56 | dpkg | badgers are better than mushrooms |
| 15:59.02 | derel1ct | i'm trying to get xsane to access my epson 2480 photo scanner, but i get this error: no device available, anyone good with scanners? |
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| 15:59.04 | sussudio | !do ravenbird |
| 15:59.08 | AdeP_ | greycat : Its just so strange. I've found a package that fullfills our every need. In fact, it blew us away in that it had really awesome features we need, but never expected to find. As soon as my supervisor saw the demo, and saw that it was free, she said nope, go find something that we have to pay for. |
| 15:59.09 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 15:59.33 | asg | AdeP_: if they don't spend money, they won't get any in the next fiscal year. |
| 15:59.43 | TinoW | AdeP_: say her you take the money |
| 15:59.45 | mick_laptop | AdeP_: say "open source" not "free" |
| 15:59.48 | greycat | AdeP_: form a corporation that offers support for it, and charge your superior double (once for your own salary, and once for the support contract via your new corporation). |
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| 16:00.46 | AdeP_ | greycat : Heh, wish I could, working here for school placement. Can't accept money. Granted, if this service contract was done by me personally, then maybe its a loophole. |
| 16:00.48 | FieldySnuts | @lart AdeP_'s employer |
| 16:00.57 | jsbiff | directhex: it looks like it is not completely installed. It said like Not/Installed/Config-file/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 16:01.00 | AdeP_ | ravenbird : Thank you. |
| 16:01.00 | ravenbird | AdeP_: pas de quoi |
| 16:01.09 | AdeP_ | bob2 : You about? |
| 16:01.39 | bob2 | ? |
| 16:01.48 | carbon60 | I just installed a kernel-image that I custom built which is running on 3 systems as we speak. On this system, it simply reboots as soon as GRUB boots it. What could I have done wrong? And how do I debug this? |
| 16:01.54 | directhex|work | jsbiff, just paste the output from "dpkg -l udev | grep udev" |
| 16:02.01 | greycat | carbon60: wrong CPU type? |
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| 16:02.10 | directhex|work | jsbiff, the first two letters of the output, at that |
| 16:02.21 | carbon60 | greycat: That would cause that behavior? |
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| 16:02.45 | jsbiff | directhex: well the first two letters of the udev line are 'ii' |
| 16:02.47 | carbon60 | It's 686, and I'm trying to boot it on a Via Eden 600MHz system. |
| 16:03.16 | AdeP_ | bob2 : Ah, good. I got X working again. As AdrianP the other day you were helping me with that. And my Mozilla programs no longer segfault. Had to reinstall all the dependencies. |
| 16:03.17 | fatal__ | carbon60: use 586 on those..... (or the special options for via processors) |
| 16:03.35 | carbon60 | fatal__: Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 16:03.45 | greycat | carbon60: or 386, of course. |
| 16:03.45 | derel1ct | does anyone use an epson scanner? |
| 16:03.50 | AdeP_ | bob2 : Not that you lost sleep over it I'm sure, but it now all works :) |
| 16:03.52 | carbon60 | Right, :-) |
| 16:03.56 | bob2 | AdeP_: ouch, minor disk corruption I guess |
| 16:03.59 | greycat | carbon60: I've got a VIA Eden 600 MHz box myself, but I run OpenBSD on it :) |
| 16:03.59 | bob2 | AdeP_: hah, good to hear |
| 16:04.00 | carbon60 | I hadn't seen the "special options" either... |
| 16:04.11 | jsbiff | directhex: ok, I'm getting errors about unresolved symbols in nvidia.o when I run 'depmod -a' |
| 16:04.17 | McCabe | is it safe to do " killall -HUP init" on a running system? |
| 16:04.18 | carbon60 | I love this hardware, works really well. We run them in softswitches. |
| 16:04.19 | directhex|work | jsbiff, meaning it's installed. echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules, then either reboot, or modprobe nvidia and restart x |
| 16:04.30 | greycat | McCabe: for what purpose? |
| 16:04.32 | AdeP_ | bob2 : I wonder if this is a sign that my hard disk is failing? Or is the corruption typically caused by other software? |
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| 16:04.50 | McCabe | greycat: respawning the ttys and make sure that /etc/inittab is correct |
| 16:05.12 | McCabe | greycat: i read it on some website, but im uncertain of the consequenses |
| 16:05.13 | greycat | McCabe: telinit q |
| 16:05.19 | Ruinah | Can someone help me with a lack of sound issue, running realtek AC97 on a Toshiba A65 laptop. |
| 16:05.31 | thomas_adam | Ruinah: Alsa, or OSS? |
| 16:05.33 | carbon60 | fatal__: What "special options"? |
| 16:05.47 | jsbiff | directhex: whenever I try to modprobe nvidia, I get unresolved kernel symbols |
| 16:05.50 | McCabe | greycat: thanks! |
| 16:06.06 | fatal__ | carbon60: VIA C3 or VIA C3-2 ... |
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| 16:06.08 | bob2 | AdeP_: unclean shutdown can do it |
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| 16:06.20 | carbon60 | fatal__: I don't see that in the menuconfig. Know where it is? |
| 16:06.21 | paulswm | AdeP_: if your hard disk is failing, you'll probably start seeing messgaes in syslog and experiencing disk hangs |
| 16:06.22 | Ruinah | thomas: Alsa, I guess. I'm *total* *nx newbie, so not sure of the difference. |
| 16:06.22 | fatal__ | carbon60: depending on if it's the new or the old variant.... (they are not compatible) |
| 16:06.27 | bob2 | AdeP_: in future you can check that sort of thing with 'debsums' |
| 16:06.27 | golya | Hi! I've tried to download sid dvd images. I used the snapshot.debian.net/2005/01/04/debian to download. But it cannot download still 7 files. I've tried 01/03 and 01/05, but no luck. |
| 16:06.28 | directhex|work | jsbiff, ah, that's an unrelated problem. where did you get your nvidia driver from? |
| 16:06.31 | greycat | carbon60: under CPU type on sufficiently recent kernels |
| 16:06.43 | fatal__ | carbon60: "processor type and features" |
| 16:06.44 | AdeP_ | bob2 : I see. That's possible. When I was messing with X, it was causing problems, and the keyboard would no longer respond. |
| 16:06.49 | thomas_adam | Ruinah: Are you using a debian-installed kernel? I assume you are, in that case. What does the command 'uname -r' say? |
| 16:06.50 | bob2 | AdeP_: ah |
| 16:06.52 | paulswm | AdeP_: what type filesystem(s) are you using |
| 16:06.59 | jsbiff | directhex: I used dselect to install it from the Debian non-free archive |
| 16:07.07 | carbon60 | fatal__: Heh, needed to scroll down. There weren't so many last time I looked... |
| 16:07.11 | greycat | people still use dselect?? |
| 16:07.12 | carbon60 | thanks fatal__. |
| 16:07.18 | caphuso | yes |
| 16:07.20 | jsbiff | directhex: it was working, until I updated everything last night |
| 16:07.23 | jsbiff | then it broke |
| 16:07.28 | AdeP_ | paulswm : ext2 |
| 16:07.29 | McCabe | greycat: ah, man init tells me HUP is "has the same effect as telinit q" ! |
| 16:07.35 | carbon60 | fatal__: So how do I know which to select for a Via EPIA M6000? |
| 16:07.37 | directhex|work | jsbiff, which kernel? |
| 16:07.39 | jsbiff | greycat: I've tried using aptitude, but I just get lost lol |
| 16:07.48 | jsbiff | I'm more comfortable with dselect |
| 16:07.49 | carbon60 | wajig is where it's at. |
| 16:07.51 | jsbiff | it's fairly simple |
| 16:07.54 | fatal__ | carbon60: try one... if it's the wrong one it won't boot. ;) |
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| 16:07.56 | Ruinah | thomas_adam: 2.4.24-x1 |
| 16:08.01 | jethro | how bout dselect is orphaned? |
| 16:08.06 | paulswm | AdeP_: consider chaning to ext3, I tested it by initiating write processes then cutting the poaer. I didn't get any corruption problems |
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| 16:08.12 | jsbiff | directhex: I'm running 2.4.27-1-k7 |
| 16:08.14 | paulswm | *power |
| 16:08.30 | greycat | cpu0: VIA Samuel 2 ("CentaurHauls" 686-class) 601 MHz |
| 16:08.34 | greycat | that's mine (openbsd dmesg) |
| 16:08.35 | directhex|work | jsbiff, you installed the nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-k7 package then, i take it? |
| 16:08.45 | jsbiff | directhex: yes |
| 16:08.47 | AdeP_ | paulswm : Aside from making a new kernel with ext3 support, does it take long, and is there much work, to convert to journaling system? |
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| 16:09.07 | paulswm | AdeP_: man tune2fs, very simple |
| 16:09.13 | golya | AdeP_: absolutely not much time |
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| 16:09.37 | directhex|work | jsbiff, sounds like the kernel modules in that package, and the kernel-image you're running, are out of synch, hence the errors. |
| 16:09.40 | Ruinah | thomas_adam: Did you get that? |
| 16:09.55 | greycat | Ruinah: what the hell is -x1? |
| 16:09.56 | directhex|work | jsbiff, you could file a bug and wait. or build your own modules, which is pretty simple to do (thoug i only do it on 2.6.x) |
| 16:10.01 | thomas_adam | Ruinah: What's -x1? |
| 16:10.04 | jsbiff | directhex: I remember seeing, when using apt-get -u dist-upgrade, that the linux-kernel-2.4.27-1-k7 package was upgraded by apt-get |
| 16:10.14 | thomas_adam | Ruinah: Look again at the screen, please. |
| 16:10.25 | jsbiff | directhex: I'm thinking the package maintainer changed some build config, that broke the kernel modules |
| 16:10.27 | Ruinah | grey: I'm guessing it's Xandros, since that's the gui I'm using. |
| 16:10.34 | greycat | !xandros |
| 16:10.34 | dpkg | [xandros] a crappy Operating System that _they_ should support... I even think it runs as root. at http://www.xandros.com/ |
| 16:10.39 | paulswm | AdeP_: tune2fs -j |
| 16:10.42 | greycat | XANDROS IS NOT DEBIAN. |
| 16:10.45 | greycat | IT IS NOT A "GUI". |
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| 16:10.49 | carbon60 | Thanks greycat and fatal__, I'll build a new one and try it. |
| 16:10.50 | greycat | IT IS AN OPERATING SYSTEM. |
| 16:10.51 | jethro | someone give me an idea for a project to compete with a friend |
| 16:11.01 | jethro | has to be language independant |
| 16:11.05 | thomas_adam | jethro: Muffin baking. |
| 16:11.09 | ibob | hello, I just installed the base system of debian. What is the procedure to install graphical environement? Thanks |
| 16:11.14 | jethro | thomas_adam: and computer related :) |
| 16:11.15 | directhex|work | jsbiff, possibly. want to try building your own module? not tricky |
| 16:11.15 | asg | jethro: a decent module network monitoring tool |
| 16:11.19 | AdeP_ | When I was booting X, I found my keyboard would not respond. When I moved /etc/X11/xkb/compat to /etc/X11/xkb/compat.orig, it now works. Anyone seen this before? |
| 16:11.30 | directhex|work | ibob, apt-get install x-window-system gdm $yourfavouritewm |
| 16:11.31 | Phated | jethro: Writing a perl module for the perfect muffin databse. :) |
| 16:11.31 | asg | jethro: a. la. nagios, but not as crappy |
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| 16:11.38 | jethro | ty asg, and cheers btw |
| 16:11.41 | Ruinah | grey: Yeah, it's an OS, and it's apparently a bit of a headache, too. |
| 16:11.47 | greycat | Ruinah: and it's off topic here. |
| 16:11.49 | asg | jethro: cheers |
| 16:12.24 | Ruinah | greycat: Well, it wouldn't be an issue if anyone actually responded in the channel. |
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| 16:12.42 | asg | jethro: just 'nagios' |
| 16:12.47 | jethro | :) |
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| 16:13.02 | valdyn_ | golya: sid changes constantly, so dvd images of it dont make much sense, look at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for a good way to install debian |
| 16:13.04 | greycat | FAILURE OF OTHER CHANNELS TO SUPPORT THEIR OWN PRODUCTS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A LICENSE TO BRING YOUR NON-DEBIAN PROBLEMS TO #DEBIAN! |
| 16:13.09 | greycat | Any more stupid questions? |
| 16:13.10 | asg | hear hear |
| 16:13.20 | Phated | Oh look now you got greycat angry. You dead. |
| 16:13.25 | Ruinah | greycat: Sorry to be a bother about it, but I would like to make actual use of this second OS I have installed. |
| 16:13.30 | jethro | greycat: no I m done, thanks |
| 16:13.32 | derel1ct | greycat: was that meant for me? |
| 16:13.33 | greycat | Ruinah: replace it with Debian. |
| 16:13.57 | ibob | just one command? and I replace the $yourfavouritewm with gnome for example? |
| 16:13.57 | golya | valdyn_: ??? You can find the newest packages in that. If you don't have internet at home, but would like to install sid, it is a must. |
| 16:14.05 | directhex|work | jsbiff, apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common kernel-headers-$(uname -r) && module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 16:14.20 | bob2 | isn't Xandros payware of the sort that gets you support? |
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| 16:14.28 | directhex|work | bob2, yes. |
| 16:14.33 | AdeP_ | Does anyone know of any (pay, non-free) in-browser (web-based) HTML WYSIWG programs that will work in IE and FIrefox? |
| 16:15.00 | asg | AdeP_: there are tons on freshmeat.net |
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| 16:15.10 | Phated | Non-free. |
| 16:15.12 | derel1ct | jsbiff, http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt works for me, you just need to add nvidia in modules for next boot |
| 16:15.36 | AdeP_ | asg : Non-free? |
| 16:15.36 | paulswm | ibob: note wm, gnome isn't a window manager. metacity or icewm or whatever |
| 16:15.51 | directhex|work | ibob, yes. ignore people being pedants |
| 16:16.11 | asg | AdeP_: freshmeat lists non-free projects as well as free ones |
| 16:16.23 | asg | AdeP_: or pick a free one and pay yourself $200 |
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| 16:16.28 | directhex|work | ibob, you can use 'apt-cache search foo' to search for foo, if you want to find the name of a particular package |
| 16:16.44 | AdeP_ | asg : I found an excellent freeware one. My supervisor refused it when they found out it was free. Even when it had features we need, but did not expect to find (eg: removal of MS Word XML tags when copy/pasting from such) |
| 16:16.55 | paulswm | directhex|work: I was being a pendant??? |
| 16:17.11 | Phated | Yes, you were. |
| 16:17.12 | asg | AdeP_: then donate a ton of cash to the author (or have your supervisor do it) |
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| 16:17.26 | Phated | Well, no, you weren't you were being a pedant. |
| 16:17.32 | paulswm | geez, that's not true at all |
| 16:17.41 | golya | Can i figure out which files cannot be downloaded by jigdo-lite? |
| 16:17.50 | Phated | Er, yes it is. :| |
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| 16:18.05 | AdeP_ | asg : I think they want a non-free one, because they think it means it'll be perfect. Our last free one had a few bugs they didn't like. So I think they are generalising all free products based on that. Despite the fact that our web servers are linux :) |
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| 16:18.07 | hacim | if I've got two listings for a package in apt-cache show (because one is from a backport), what do I pass to -t in order to install the backports version? |
| 16:18.27 | directhex|work | hacim, you can pass packagename=versionnumber |
| 16:18.38 | directhex|work | hacim, i.e. apt-get install foo=1.0 |
| 16:18.39 | asg | AdeP_: then they are morons |
| 16:18.43 | Creap | Hi. Everytime I boot my box I get a fsck error I don't care about since it doesn't cause any real problems, but I don't know how to avoid having to manually press Ctrl - D every boot. Any ideas? |
| 16:18.55 | PerfDave | Creap: fix the error? |
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| 16:19.06 | hacim | directhex|work: perfect, thanks! |
| 16:19.07 | Creap | It's a disk error. |
| 16:19.08 | asg | AdeP_: we spend upwards of 60K on Blackboard and it's a piece of crap |
| 16:19.10 | Creap | The disk is broken.. |
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| 16:19.16 | AdeP_ | asg: To say the least. |
| 16:19.21 | jsbiff | directhex: what does module-assistant do? |
| 16:19.25 | PerfDave | Creap: badblocks it? |
| 16:19.31 | greycat | jsbiff: apt-cache show module-assistant |
| 16:19.41 | asxcx | hi, will debian woody r4 detect my dlink di-604 router or do i have to configure it? |
| 16:19.46 | directhex|work | jsbiff, builds kernel modules for you |
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| 16:19.54 | jsbiff | directhex: ok |
| 16:19.54 | greycat | "detect" a router? |
| 16:20.07 | directhex|work | asxcx, routers connect vai ethernet, and provide networking details over dhcp. everything works with them. |
| 16:20.08 | ibob | ok thanks alot! |
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| 16:20.21 | jsbiff | do I need to rebuild my kernel to resolve the missing symbols? I would presume that would be what is required |
| 16:20.29 | directhex|work | jsbiff, you'd be wrong |
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| 16:20.38 | golya | Can i figure out which files cannot be downloaded by jigdo-lite? |
| 16:20.47 | asg | the heavy ones? |
| 16:20.58 | possie | anyone using debian and startfluxbox and also using gdm ? i can't seem to find where i need to specify startfluxbox anyone else maybe ? |
| 16:20.58 | SlayerXP | golya: I don't know, can you? |
| 16:21.00 | PerfDave | jsbiff: No |
| 16:21.09 | directhex|work | jsbiff, the fix is to build a new module which matches the sources of your current kernel. which is what module assistant does. using the command i already gave you ten minutes ago |
| 16:21.20 | PerfDave | jsbiff: You're still trying to build nvidia drivers, right? /msg dpkg nvidia, follow the instructions there. |
| 16:21.24 | jsbiff | oh, sorry I was afk for a bit |
| 16:21.24 | Creap | PerfDave: But I'm not having any problems with the disk at all really |
| 16:21.29 | jsbiff | my mom had a problem I had to deal with |
| 16:21.36 | golya | SlayerXP: I hope so :) I've downloaded 10Gb, and want to know at least what do I miss... |
| 16:21.42 | directhex|work | PerfDave, 2.4 nvidia-kernel packages don't match kernel-image |
| 16:21.47 | asxcx | can i install debian woody with just the first iso image ? |
| 16:21.48 | directhex|work | PerfDave, apparently, anyway |
| 16:21.52 | greycat | asxcx: yes |
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| 16:21.53 | directhex|work | asxcx, yes |
| 16:21.56 | asxcx | thanks a lot |
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| 16:22.03 | SlayerXP | golya: why in heavens name have you downloaded 10gb? |
| 16:22.07 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Yeah, this is why I recommend using module-assistant instead of third-party packages. |
| 16:22.16 | directhex|work | PerfDave, i've not tried it on 2.4 |
| 16:22.18 | PerfDave | Creap: You will do. Badblocks will mark that disk space as not to be used, and everything will be hunkydory. |
| 16:22.18 | greycat | SlayerXP: because he's stupid? |
| 16:22.26 | directhex|work | PerfDave, things tend to go wrong for me on 2.4 |
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| 16:22.29 | golya | SlayerXP: at home I've no internet, but I want to install debian/sid |
| 16:22.36 | greycat | golya: Don't. |
| 16:22.57 | SlayerXP | golya: and? |
| 16:23.01 | golya | greycat: than replace sid to sarge, or woody. Then what's your answer? |
| 16:23.14 | greycat | golya: sarge is "fine", for some values of fine. |
| 16:23.14 | Creap | PerfDave: ok i'll try, but I've had the problem for about 3-4 years in windows with no lost data or anything |
| 16:23.16 | golya | SlayerXP: now it says: Aaargh, 7 files cannot be downloaded |
| 16:23.20 | PerfDave | greycat: You don't *really* want to install Sid. Particularly if you don't have a net connection handy. |
| 16:23.28 | jsbiff | I tried downloading the latest driver source from nvidia.com, and tried to have it rebuild the kernel module against the kernel-source-2.4.27 directory, but it wouldn't work |
| 16:23.41 | SlayerXP | golya: you don't want sid unless you have a network connection |
| 16:23.42 | jsbiff | I'm currently running module-assistant as you suggested |
| 16:23.46 | jsbiff | hopefully that'll fix it |
| 16:23.47 | directhex|work | !nvidia-installer |
| 16:23.47 | dpkg | well, nvidia-installer is a clever cross-distribution method for installing nvidia's proprietary 3D drivers, which happens to work poorly on Debian. Ask me about 'nvidia howto' instead. |
| 16:23.48 | derel1ct | jsbiff, http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt works for me, you just need to add nvidia in modules for next boot |
| 16:24.05 | golya | Ok, say I've downloaded *sarge*, and 7 files missing :) |
| 16:24.07 | derel1ct | it works great |
| 16:24.12 | greycat | golya: live without 'em/. |
| 16:24.20 | directhex|work | dpkg, nvidia-installer is more specifically prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. |
| 16:24.20 | dpkg | ...but nvidia-installer is already something else... |
| 16:24.22 | derel1ct | jsbiff follow that howto |
| 16:24.26 | PerfDave | Creap: Well, Windows is obviously inherently superior to Linux then. Or possibly just doesn't tell you about *potentially* dangerous disk problems and waits for everything to go to hell and back. |
| 16:24.31 | directhex|work | dpkg, nvidia-installer is also more specifically prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. |
| 16:24.32 | dpkg | directhex|work: okay |
| 16:24.34 | golya | greycat: and what if they are essential libraries? |
| 16:24.37 | jsbiff | Umm, I ran module-assistant and it is still saying unresolved symbols |
| 16:24.51 | jsbiff | that is, module assistant ran, and then it tried to execute depmod -a |
| 16:24.53 | PerfDave | jsbiff: Read the HOWTO. Read the error messages from module-assistant. Fix them. |
| 16:25.00 | jsbiff | ok |
| 16:25.14 | abrotman | too easy! |
| 16:25.25 | PerfDave | jsbiff: You probably don't have your kernel headers installed, or something. |
| 16:25.27 | si|vercat | whats the port number for mysql again? |
| 16:25.37 | abrotman | cat /etc/services | grep mysql |
| 16:25.41 | abrotman | eeep |
| 16:25.45 | jsbiff | PerfDave: the kernel headers *are* installed |
| 16:25.45 | abrotman | !uuoc me |
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| 16:27.23 | Stefan` | hi, has debian a packet from a good media player? if yes, which would you suggest? |
| 16:27.27 | PerfDave | jsbiff: The ones for the kernel you're currently running? |
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| 16:27.28 | greycat | Stefan`: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 16:27.35 | doub | hi |
| 16:27.54 | derel1ct | module assistant sucks my hairy ass, it's much safer to follow the howto at http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt , then add nvidia in modules |
| 16:28.08 | PerfDave | Stefan`: vlc, xine |
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| 16:28.30 | jsbiff | the frustrating thing here is, I already had the nvidia drivers working, once upon a time lol |
| 16:28.34 | PerfDave | jsbiff: "dpkg -l kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" shows tem installed? |
| 16:28.51 | Stefan` | i used vlc in win...i give it a try |
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| 16:29.26 | jsbiff | ii |
| 16:29.37 | jsbiff | PerfDave yes, they are installed |
| 16:29.58 | PerfDave | jsbiff: So what errors are you getting from module-assistant? Look at the *first* errors, not the last ones. |
| 16:30.15 | derel1ct | jsbiff: do the howto i told you and get nvidia drivers working in 10 mins |
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| 16:30.43 | PerfDave | derel1ct: Using module-assistant should take less time than that. |
| 16:31.03 | jsbiff | well that's frickin wierd |
| 16:31.12 | jsbiff | I reran module-assistant and it worked this time |
| 16:31.13 | jsbiff | lol |
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| 16:31.36 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
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| 16:33.29 | radius | anyone here good with fglrx drivers and sarge - having probs getting driver to load - been following some docs and having no luck - if anyone has a better link that shows step by step to install fglrx with radeon 9600 |
| 16:33.35 | radius | would be helpful thanks |
| 16:33.42 | jsbiff | well, after re-running module-assistant, and it finishing without errors this time, I was able to successfully modprobe nvidia |
| 16:33.49 | jsbiff | and start xdm |
| 16:34.00 | directhex|work | jsbiff, xdm is horrid. install gdm |
| 16:34.16 | jsbiff | What's so bad about xdm? Seems to work. . . |
| 16:34.18 | asg | directhex|work: they are all horrible, use startx instead :p |
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| 16:34.32 | directhex|work | radius, flavio stanchina's website is the only good resource, which might help with a very bad driver |
| 16:34.33 | derel1ct | xdm rocks |
| 16:34.41 | valdyn_ | radius: "/msg dpkg ati drivers" |
| 16:34.45 | radius | ya that's what i've been following |
| 16:34.50 | radius | ok thanks vagrant__ |
| 16:34.54 | radius | oops valdyn_ |
| 16:34.55 | pusling | Hi. some time ago my java worked. (Sun java) I have upgraded debian several times since. Java now gives segmentation fault even on the simpliest hello-world-program. Any good advice? |
| 16:35.00 | PerfDave | !start a dm war |
| 16:35.12 | directhex|work | radius, what specifically is wrong? |
| 16:35.13 | PerfDave | pusling: Don't use java |
| 16:35.15 | dvs | radius: valdyn_ help you and you insult him. ;-) |
| 16:35.23 | radius | sorry - tab key error |
| 16:35.24 | derel1ct | pusling: install jdk1.4 |
| 16:35.27 | radius | (: |
| 16:35.28 | derel1ct | from sun |
| 16:35.28 | pusling | PerfDave: not an option |
| 16:35.38 | pusling | derel1ct: I have sun sdk 1.4.2 |
| 16:36.04 | valdyn_ | pusling: which debian release? |
| 16:36.09 | radius | directhex|work: everything - it took me 20 mins to config fglrx on slack*** ahem - but now that i want to have debian on the laptop - just nothing seems to work |
| 16:36.11 | pusling | valdyn_: sarge |
| 16:36.21 | radius | directhex|work: i'm a doc reader - so the best is direction for me |
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| 16:36.29 | pusling | valdyn_: (and perhaps one or two unstable packages) |
| 16:36.35 | PerfDave | !start a dm war |
| 16:36.36 | dpkg | kdm is a PITA to configure! |
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| 16:36.54 | valdyn_ | pusling: did you use java-package to install java? |
| 16:36.58 | binary_dreamer | hi i installed debian's sarge and as default it has grub. and i wanted to unistall it and install lilo. i did it, but still grub appear as the bootloader. any ideas?please prefix my name |
| 16:37.08 | pusling | valdyn_: no, used the binaries from java.sun.com |
| 16:37.31 | doub | binary_dreamer: have you set up lilo to install on the MBR ? |
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| 16:37.36 | PerfDave | binary_dreamer: Install lilo, configure /etc/lilo.conf, run lilo |
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| 16:37.53 | valdyn_ | pusling: alright, i have no idea if those binaries work, assuming they do, "/msg dpkg java-package" and reinstall java w/ those instructions |
| 16:37.58 | directhex|work | PerfDave, and /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 16:38.26 | binary_dreamer | doub, i did that. lilo appears in my system, but still grub as loader |
| 16:38.33 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I thought that installing grub and lilo changed /etc/kernel-image.conf |
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| 16:38.34 | binary_dreamer | PerfDave, i did it |
| 16:38.49 | PerfDave | binary_dreamer: did lilo give you any errors when you ran it? |
| 16:38.55 | jsbiff | directhex: just to help me understand, why is it that an update of the *save* version of the kernel package, would suddenly be incompatible with the nvidia.o module? |
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| 16:39.08 | jsbiff | err, same version, not save version |
| 16:39.13 | binary_dreamer | PerfDave, yes it did. do u want me to paste it here? |
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| 16:39.49 | directhex|work | jsbiff, because of slightly different compiler settings. linux is purposely fragile in this respect |
| 16:40.06 | jsbiff | directhex: would compiling the kernel with an updated version of gcc cause things to 'move around' inside the linux kernel address space? |
| 16:40.10 | greycat | jsbiff: you must rebuild modules whenever you rebuild the kernel. Get used to it. |
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| 16:40.16 | greycat | jsbiff: yes. |
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| 16:40.42 | directhex|work | jsbiff, yes, for example, that would do it |
| 16:40.45 | brennanOS | can anyone here remember the name of a Unix office suite that ran in a terminal window, rather than X? |
| 16:40.53 | doub | binary_dreamer: are you shure lilo installs on /dev/hd<some letter>, and not /dev/hd<some letter><some nunber> ? |
| 16:40.56 | greycat | brennanOS: Uniplex |
| 16:41.33 | jsbiff | I tried rebuilding the kernel module with the nvidia installer. I wonder why it couldn't successfully recompile the module. . . |
| 16:41.40 | doub | binary_dreamer: the 'boot=' line of lilo.conf will tell you this |
| 16:41.45 | PerfDave | binary_dreamer: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 16:42.00 | radius | directhex|work: exact error i'm getting - is on Step 4.2 - *** Warning: "pci_find_class" [/usr/src/modules/fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.6/fglrx.ko] undefined! |
| 16:42.02 | PerfDave | binary_dreamer: If lilo had errors, it won't have installed on your MBR and replaced grub. |
| 16:42.09 | brennanOS | greycat: thanks, thats it... do youknow of anything free that is similar? |
| 16:42.10 | radius | any help would be appreciated |
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| 16:42.33 | greycat | brennanOS: nope |
| 16:42.50 | directhex|work | radius, which kernel? |
| 16:42.54 | radius | 2.6.10 |
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| 16:43.05 | directhex|work | radius, not supported by fglrx that i'm aware. |
| 16:43.10 | jsbiff | directhex: why is linux purposefully fragile when it comes to modules? Do the figure that by forcing people to recompile the modules, they can minimize stability/incompatibility problems? |
| 16:43.11 | radius | it is on slack |
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| 16:43.18 | lobster | what is the minimum size partition that Debian needs on a hard drive? like 100Meg? |
| 16:43.26 | radius | is why i want to get it working on debian so bad |
| 16:43.28 | dao | I can't get my HP960c printer to print. I installed cups and used http://localhost:631/admin to add my printer, but it won't even print a test-page. When I try to print nothing happens, and when I restart the printjob, I get an error message "client-error-not-possible" |
| 16:43.29 | greycat | lobster: depends on which version of Debian. |
| 16:43.36 | lobster | greycat woody |
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| 16:43.42 | greycat | lobster: probably more like 200 MB. |
| 16:43.50 | lobster | greycat ok thanks |
| 16:43.59 | brennanOS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.04 | PerfDave | jsbiff: Linux is not purposefully fragile when it comes to modules. But ABIs change between kernel versions, and binary modules have a problem with this. This is semi-intentional, since binary modules are still officially discouraged. |
| 16:44.48 | binary_dreamer | http://channels.debian.net/paste/173. |
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| 16:44.48 | doub | jsbiff: it's because modules are compiled against one specific version of the kernel, and API calls might have changed in between, causing the kernel to randomly crash |
| 16:44.52 | doub | jsbiff: you could also try and see what happens, but you're on your own |
| 16:45.04 | grivell | radius: What Radeon you have? |
| 16:45.11 | binary_dreamer | PerfDave, http://channels.debian.net/paste/173 |
| 16:45.15 | radius | 9600 |
| 16:45.29 | grivell | radius: Test out r300.sf.net ;-P |
| 16:45.31 | PerfDave | lobster: Read the Installation Manual |
| 16:45.34 | dao | anyone? |
| 16:45.41 | radius | it's the new Dell Inspiron 9200 with 17" WUXGA |
| 16:45.45 | directhex|work | PerfDave, not seen any of the quotes along the lins of 'time to break the nvidia driver compatability. this is fun' messages? |
| 16:45.46 | radius | ok thanks grivell |
| 16:45.54 | directhex|work | grivell, real helpful. |
| 16:45.57 | grivell | radius: I was kind of joking |
| 16:46.02 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Yes, I have :) |
| 16:46.05 | radius | er ok |
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| 16:46.11 | PerfDave | greycat: Nah, I think you can get a minimal Woody install in ~60Mb |
| 16:46.18 | binary_dreamer | anybody willing to help me? |
| 16:46.18 | PerfDave | greycat: And a useful one in ~100 |
| 16:46.22 | grivell | directhex|work: I was joking :-) I don't use proprietary drivers. |
| 16:46.36 | greycat | PerfDave: but you can't slap a woody CD in a cd-rom drive in a box that has a 60 MB disk and expect the installer to work. |
| 16:46.44 | Azar | good day honorables: anyone know anything about a possible patch fix for uselib() vuln? |
| 16:46.50 | valdyn_ | radius: its a relatively trivial patch that you need, try google |
| 16:46.55 | greycat | PerfDave: you'd have to custom-trim it on a big box, and then copy it over |
| 16:46.59 | PerfDave | greycat: I've not tried it. I would be quite surprised if it didn't. |
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| 16:47.05 | grivell | radius: Unless you really want to run experimental 3D drivers. Then test it out. They aren't good, won't be for a while. |
| 16:47.07 | radius | will do thanks valdyn_ (phew got it right that time) |
| 16:47.21 | radius | i would love to get the 3D drivers working |
| 16:47.24 | jsbiff | I don't really want to use proprietary drivers, but the free NVidia drivers seem to only do 2D |
| 16:47.27 | PerfDave | greycat: I did a minimal install from CD onto a 200Mb hard drive, and I think it was about 60Mb when I first booted into it. |
| 16:47.30 | radius | couldn't get it working on slck |
| 16:47.36 | dao | I can't get my HP960c printer to print. I installed cups and used http://localhost:631/admin to add my printer, but it won't even print a test-page. When I try to print nothing happens, and when I restart the printjob, I get an error message "client-error-not-possible" In http://localhost:631/admin everything seems oke |
| 16:47.42 | directhex|work | radius, fglrx is pig slow whatever happens |
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| 16:47.50 | radius | tell me about it directhex|work |
| 16:47.58 | Azar | sys_uselib() vuln. |
| 16:48.19 | directhex|work | radius, if you wanted 3d and linux, why did you buy an ati based system? |
| 16:48.20 | doub | binary_dreamer: what does the 'boot=<something> line of lilo.conf says? |
| 16:48.32 | radius | i wanted the 17" WUXGA |
| 16:48.34 | radius | (: |
| 16:48.56 | valdyn_ | radius: http://www.hup.hu/old/stuff/ati/2.6.10-rc1/agpgart_be.patch |
| 16:48.57 | radius | not too concerned with 3D - just a wish list at the mo. |
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| 16:49.08 | radius | thanks valdyn_ |
| 16:49.36 | grivell | jsbiff: Yeah, and nvidia has no 3d drivers o.s. Thats why I'm sticking with ati. That, and my PPC has 3D because of o.s drivers. |
| 16:50.11 | directhex|work | grivell, DRI on ATI doesn't work because of any support from ATI. it's reverse engineered. |
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| 16:50.18 | grivell | directhex|work: ATI's aren't bad. Its when you get past 9200 that it gets scary ;) |
| 16:50.20 | miguelanxo | hi |
| 16:50.20 | PerfDave | binary_dreamer: Hmm, those are lilo warnings, not errors |
| 16:50.24 | directhex|work | grivell, it's also unimaginably slow |
| 16:50.27 | shazzy | whats the command to setup debian apt-get sources, it currently look for a cd i want it to use the net |
| 16:50.40 | jethro | radius: it kicks ass |
| 16:50.41 | Azar | nvidia gives very nice drivers support for linux |
| 16:50.46 | radius | heh ok jethro |
| 16:50.47 | PerfDave | shazzy: apt-setup ? $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 16:50.49 | directhex|work | shazzy, run apt-setup |
| 16:50.51 | jsbiff | grivell: I had an Ati Radeon 7200: I was rather disappointed with the ATI driver support. This was a couple years ago. I guess ATI has gotten better since then |
| 16:50.52 | nsillik | okay, i have a maxtor one-touch external drive... it has this big old button on the front... how would i be able to find out what interrupt it generates when it is pressed? |
| 16:50.54 | shazzy | tnx |
| 16:50.55 | miguelanxo | I just want to dump core from a firefox plugin, but can't do that using any signal in my debian box |
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| 16:51.01 | directhex|work | jsbiff, wrong |
| 16:51.01 | binary_dreamer | doub, image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 16:51.03 | grivell | directhex|work: Not slow. Just Doom 3 slow. |
| 16:51.04 | radius | i guess everyone has their own opinion on ati |
| 16:51.11 | miguelanxo | does debian have some setting for ignoring dumping cores? |
| 16:51.17 | directhex|work | grivell, too fucking slow to play open source opengl games |
| 16:51.18 | greycat | !start a GPU war |
| 16:51.18 | dpkg | Mummy! I spilled warm milk on my Parhelia! |
| 16:51.29 | PerfDave | What the hell is a WUXGA? |
| 16:51.35 | jethro | PerfDave: lcd matrix |
| 16:51.36 | directhex|work | grivell, too fucking slow to play 7 year old pc games. _SLOW_. |
| 16:51.38 | radius | aaah yes jethro you know the great sizeness |
| 16:51.38 | neenee | nowadays many people seem to have an opinion on almost everything.. regardless if they actually know what it's about :) |
| 16:51.41 | miguelanxo | In fact, does LINUX have such setting? |
| 16:51.41 | grivell | directhex|work: I play bzflag, quake, etc fine with open source drivers for 9200 |
| 16:51.46 | Azar | anyone in tune with the news and knows a patch for the most recent vulnerability for 2.4.x up to 2.6.10 ? |
| 16:51.54 | doub | binary_dreamer: not that one, the one which begins with 'boot=' |
| 16:52.01 | jethro | radius: I m oversized on almost all sides |
| 16:52.05 | radius | heh |
| 16:52.08 | caphuso | Azar: -ac includes it, debian 2.6.10 does too |
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| 16:52.14 | radius | not modest at all are we (: |
| 16:52.14 | greycat | Azar: I think the patch you're looking for is called "OpenBSD" :-P |
| 16:52.15 | justin | directhex|work: stop being a fucking nvidia troll |
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| 16:52.24 | binary_dreamer | doub, # Specifies the boot device |
| 16:52.25 | binary_dreamer | boot=/dev/hda7 |
| 16:52.27 | jsbiff | Well, back when I tried the 3D accellerated drivers for ATI, I got about 40 percent lower framerate than when running under windows. I was very frustrated by that |
| 16:52.30 | PerfDave | justin: Who's trolling? |
| 16:52.33 | jethro | radius: indeed :) |
| 16:52.33 | directhex|work | justin, i prefer to think of it as '3d troll' |
| 16:52.33 | Azar | caphuso, yes, I found a patch but is not "official" for stable releases |
| 16:52.40 | directhex|work | jsbiff, that's much better than most people |
| 16:52.40 | caphuso | Azar: that's too bad for you |
| 16:52.47 | justin | ati cards that are supported by xfree86 work JUST FINE |
| 16:52.51 | Azar | greycat, I highly dislike OpenBSD |
| 16:52.57 | doub | binary_dreamer: that's the problem. replace it with 'boot=/dev/hda' and run lilo again |
| 16:52.57 | PerfDave | binary_dreamer: You're installing your LILO configuration into a partition, not into the disk MBR |
| 16:52.58 | directhex|work | justin, for 2d, sure. |
| 16:53.04 | neenee | egh.. |
| 16:53.07 | justin | directhex|work: stop. being. a. troll. |
| 16:53.15 | radius | o kback to getting this biatch working - thanks for the input gents |
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| 16:53.28 | jsbiff | directhex: well, you have to realize, the 7200 didn't have super performance to begin with. On windows, it was just barely acceptable for playing Return to Castle Wolfenstein |
| 16:53.31 | Azar | caphuso, I just wanted to make sure Debian did not released a patch yet, I will patch with unstable |
| 16:53.33 | krolben | What reasons do people in here have for choosing KDE over Gnome (or the other way around), or are you using something completely different? |
| 16:53.35 | jethro | radius: g'luck |
| 16:53.36 | grivell | directhex|work: Name a game thats not Doom 3 that my Radeon 9200 can't handle :) |
| 16:53.45 | PerfDave | krolben: That sounds like a poll to me ;) |
| 16:53.48 | greycat | grivell: Hunt the Wumpus! |
| 16:53.52 | radius | spanks jethro - hopefully i won't have too many gray hairs in the ned |
| 16:53.52 | Phated | krolben: Completely different. |
| 16:53.53 | radius | end* |
| 16:53.55 | neenee | grivell: halflife 2 on cedega perhaps |
| 16:53.55 | krolben | ...not meant to be a poll. I hope it doesn't get read like one |
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| 16:53.57 | jethro | digger! |
| 16:53.58 | grivell | greycat: ? |
| 16:54.02 | binary_dreamer | doub, i get this: arisAMD:/home/aris# nano /etc/lilo.conf |
| 16:54.02 | binary_dreamer | arisAMD:/home/aris# lilo |
| 16:54.02 | binary_dreamer | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 16:54.02 | binary_dreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.02 | binary_dreamer | Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system. |
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| 16:54.03 | joefso | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.04 | joefso | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.06 | joefso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.11 | joefso | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.14 | grivell | neenee: My PPC can't handle Halflife on cedega ;) |
| 16:54.17 | directhex|work | grivell, anything. i have a 9200 in this piece of shit. |
| 16:54.20 | jsbiff | well, anyhow, thanks for your help everyone |
| 16:54.26 | neenee | grivell: ah okay. oh well :) so much for my guess. |
| 16:54.27 | jsbiff | I gotta go |
| 16:54.29 | greycat | another devfs casualty. |
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| 16:54.31 | neenee | cheerio |
| 16:54.35 | greycat | binary_dreamer: stop using devfs. |
| 16:54.35 | grivell | directhex|work: You use PageFlip and AGP 4? |
| 16:54.41 | directhex|work | grivell, savage, darwinia, hell even quake 2. |
| 16:54.46 | jethro | grivell: name any game that you can actually run on ppc and which does not suck ? |
| 16:54.54 | caphuso | nethack |
| 16:54.57 | doub | binary_dreamer: that's just warnings. it should work |
| 16:55.07 | jethro | caphuso: not very GPU consuming :) |
| 16:55.15 | bucky | jethro, duke nukem |
| 16:55.20 | krolben | I'm about to choose what to boot into with Sarge and I've not got any preferences. I'd originally chosen to go with KDE because it's the most used, but I've heard many Debian users appraise Gnome |
| 16:55.22 | binary_dreamer | doub, see u in a sec after a reboot to crosscheck |
| 16:55.24 | nsillik | okay, i have a maxtor one-touch external drive... it has this big old button on the front... how would i be able to find out what interrupt it generates when it is pressed? |
| 16:55.25 | jethro | bucky: welcome to 2005 bu |
| 16:55.26 | Penix | warcraft 3? |
| 16:55.28 | jethro | bucky: |
| 16:55.34 | grivell | jethro: bzflag, rafkil, foobillards, quake, neverball, hmm |
| 16:55.35 | Phated | jethro: But it runs on PPC and doesn't suck. |
| 16:55.44 | jethro | Phated: true that |
| 16:55.45 | neenee | krolben: there are many who favor either |
| 16:55.53 | neenee | krolben: why not apt-get gnome and kde and try both? |
| 16:56.01 | jethro | Phated: but it's somehow limited compared to modern FPS games |
| 16:56.02 | neenee | krolben: or try some other window managers |
| 16:56.03 | krolben | I probably will :) |
| 16:56.06 | neenee | :) |
| 16:56.21 | bucky | what games run on linux and don't suck? |
| 16:56.22 | Phated | jethro: *shrug* FPS games are kinda lame. IMO. |
| 16:56.26 | PerfDave | krolben: Some like KDE, some like Gnome, some like XFCE, some like Fluxbox, some like other stuff. Personally, I use KDE and recommend it to anybody, especially Linux newbies, but other people have their own opinions. |
| 16:56.31 | Phated | Openbox! |
| 16:56.32 | krolben | I think I'll try with Gnome first and go from there. Who knows, maybe I'll get stuck there and never get to test KDE :) |
| 16:56.33 | PerfDave | bucky: Doom 3, Alpha Centauri, Enemy Territory. |
| 16:56.35 | caphuso | jethro: no. modern FPS games are limited compared to nethack |
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| 16:56.40 | neenee | bucky: 'not sucking' is personal preference.. we do not know you preference |
| 16:56.41 | jethro | Phated: you said duke nukem wasn't sucky! |
| 16:56.48 | Phated | jethro: I did not. |
| 16:56.54 | jethro | caphuso: I don't play nethack I prefer the multiplayer nethack clones |
| 16:57.01 | Phated | I've neevr -played- Duke Nukem, how the fuck would I know if it sucked or not? |
| 16:57.03 | bucky | jethro, that's about the same genre as linux games |
| 16:57.05 | jethro | Phated: you meant nethack? |
| 16:57.10 | Phated | Well, Yeah. |
| 16:57.15 | jethro | !start a game war |
| 16:57.15 | dpkg | half life sucks donkey shit! |
| 16:57.20 | Phated | See? |
| 16:57.22 | jethro | :) |
| 16:57.33 | jethro | I prefer network ready nethack clones |
| 16:57.47 | bucky | america's army gentoo live cd |
| 16:57.48 | Phated | telnet nethack.alt.org. |
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| 16:58.06 | PerfDave | Half Life *does* suck donkey shit |
| 16:58.11 | Phated | Yes, it does. |
| 16:58.28 | jethro | !curse grivell for starting a game war |
| 16:58.29 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, grivell for starting a game war ! |
| 16:58.31 | Zap-W | hl2 rox |
| 16:58.47 | PerfDave | HL2 is shit, it doesn't have a Linux client ;) |
| 16:58.47 | Phated | And it causes -that- kind of language. It sucks all right. |
| 16:59.01 | jethro | :) |
| 16:59.01 | greycat | Phated: consider the source. |
| 16:59.10 | jethro | the new engine is nice tho |
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| 16:59.17 | Phated | greycat: Oh, hmmm... Maybe he's bred by HL2? |
| 16:59.35 | anto__o | hl2 is pretty cool |
| 16:59.39 | PerfDave | jethro: No it isn't, it doesn't run on Linux ;) |
| 16:59.48 | jethro | PerfDave: true, but still looks good |
| 16:59.56 | PerfDave | jethro: Bah, I've seen HL2, Doom 3 pwns it. |
| 16:59.59 | Phated | No, it doesn't, it doesn't run on Linux. |
| 17:00.03 | jethro | Phated: you ever tried tomenet/mangband instead of you wacky telnet ? |
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| 17:00.06 | PerfDave | And Doom 3 runs on LInux too ;) |
| 17:00.16 | Zap-W | PerfDave: linux isn't the center of the world nigga |
| 17:00.24 | jethro | PerfDave: doom3 runs better on linux then hl2 on windows, talking about my laptop |
| 17:00.27 | Phated | jethro: "wacky"? |
| 17:00.30 | PerfDave | Zap-W: Don't call me "nigga", you disgusting fuck. |
| 17:00.34 | grivell | Zap-W: Yes it is. |
| 17:00.36 | khanman | khanman, pfffffffft |
| 17:00.37 | jethro | Phated: colorless, limited cmdline |
| 17:00.38 | Phated | Now telnet is "wacky"? |
| 17:00.39 | khanman | sorry |
| 17:00.39 | neenee | food. |
| 17:00.44 | Zap-W | PerfDave: call me jew |
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| 17:00.49 | jethro | Phated: my english is bad, I used the wrong word I guess :) |
| 17:00.51 | PerfDave | Zap-W: How about I don't. |
| 17:01.01 | binary_dreamer | doub, thanks it works ok |
| 17:01.06 | Phated | jethro: Pfffft, kids. |
| 17:01.19 | FieldySnuts | badgers. pfft, who needs em. |
| 17:01.19 | Zap-W | jethro: how can you compare 2 different games |
| 17:01.23 | PerfDave | Anyway, Linux is the centre of *my* world ;) |
| 17:01.40 | Phated | Arguably a better centre than HL. |
| 17:01.44 | jethro | Zap-W: I meant in terms of fluidity, FPS, and graphic details I was running with |
| 17:01.53 | Stefan` | is there a kernel-howto for dvd drives? i don't know where to start... |
| 17:02.06 | PerfDave | Stefan`: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:02.18 | Stefan` | PerfDave: to get something like /dev/dvd |
| 17:02.39 | PerfDave | Stefan`: Uhm, what kernel are you using? The Debian kernels will all pick up ATAPI DVD drives automatically. |
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| 17:02.52 | sussudio | !do FieldySnuts |
| 17:02.52 | Stefan` | 2.6.10-1-686 |
| 17:03.03 | ricky_clarkson | !roger sussudio |
| 17:03.03 | dpkg | Bend over, sussudio and take it like a man! |
| 17:03.15 | PerfDave | Stefan`: dmesg | grep -i dvd |
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| 17:03.20 | FieldySnuts | grr |
| 17:03.24 | ludi | why do I not have a /mnt/cdrom0 |
| 17:03.33 | Stefan` | hdc: DVD+RW RW8160, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 17:03.34 | Stefan` | hdc: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 8192kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 17:03.43 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.44 | Stefan` | so /dev/hdc then, eh? :) |
| 17:03.47 | PerfDave | Stefan`: There you go, your DVD drive is /dev/hdc :) |
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| 17:03.54 | xogon | Stefan`: normally /dev/dvd is just a symlink to the real device, e.g. /dev/hdc |
| 17:03.54 | Stefan` | k :) thanks alot! :) |
| 17:04.00 | PerfDave | Stefan`: No worries :) |
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| 17:04.29 | ludi | so I can make a symlink |
| 17:04.55 | xogon | ludi: yep cd /dev ; ln -s hdc dvd |
| 17:05.02 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: penixsmite test |
| 17:05.03 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 17:05.15 | ludi | ln -s /dev/cdrom0 /mnt/cdrom0 |
| 17:05.16 | ludi | ? |
| 17:05.38 | kromagg | ludi: no add it in fstab |
| 17:05.38 | xogon | ludi: yep but in /dev relative links are preferred to absolute |
| 17:05.55 | ludi | what do you mean relative links? |
| 17:06.06 | ludi | you mean no -s option? |
| 17:06.07 | TTT | hi, should or should not nautilus handle webdav:// links? (it does support webdav in http:// links, but should it also handle webdav://)? If yes, then nautilus in debian/sid doesn't support them, what is I assume a bug :-\ |
| 17:06.14 | Azar | 2.6.10-ac6 contains the vunl. fix |
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| 17:06.24 | jethro | ludi: you need the -s |
| 17:06.36 | kromagg | ludi: the FHS says that cdrom links and the like should be in /media btw |
| 17:06.55 | jethro | fhs |
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| 17:07.38 | jethro | !es |
| 17:07.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:07.40 | greycat | the FHS can bite me. |
| 17:07.42 | xogon | ludi: relative means relative to the current path in the filesystem. |
| 17:07.46 | FieldySnuts | @fuck websites aimed at IE which open every URL in a new window |
| 17:07.57 | xogon | ludi: man symlinks |
| 17:07.58 | FieldySnuts | be glad. |
| 17:08.13 | jethro | ludi: man ln better then man symlinks |
| 17:08.17 | doub | FieldySnuts: galeon can handle them and open 'new window' in tabs |
| 17:08.19 | FieldySnuts | oh cute they are opened by javascript making them useless in new browser tabs, morons. |
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| 17:08.29 | FieldySnuts | galeon sucks |
| 17:08.31 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a browser war |
| 17:08.32 | ravenbird | netscape crashes less than opera |
| 17:08.35 | ricky_clarkson | javascript:alert("Your browser sucks") |
| 17:09.03 | ricky_clarkson | Put that in your URL bar and smoke it. |
| 17:09.04 | pusling | valdyn_: the javapackage made with make-jpkg still segfaults |
| 17:09.06 | greycat | See? CRTS *are* good for something! I turned on the 17" monitor attached to the Win2k box and put my wet socks on it, and they're already close to dry. |
| 17:09.09 | ludi | /dev/hdc is not a valid block device |
| 17:09.10 | doub | ricky_clarkson: do you have rolling paper for it? |
| 17:09.12 | ludi | that's what it says now |
| 17:09.16 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: apt-get install mozilla-tabextensions, open all windows in new (background?) tabs :) |
| 17:09.18 | jethro | HAHAHAH |
| 17:09.47 | jethro | someone qotd that |
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| 17:10.18 | valdyn_ | pusling: i dont know then, sorry, my jre works. |
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| 17:11.29 | larsmo | hello everyone, i'm new to debian, i have a program extracted and ready, but how do i start it? |
| 17:11.45 | jethro | type /path/to/programm in a shell |
| 17:11.48 | ludi | what does it mean when mount says "/dev/hdc is not a valid block device" |
| 17:11.51 | larsmo | oh |
| 17:11.54 | larsmo | thanks |
| 17:12.00 | Creap | PerfDave: when doing badblocks, it just seems to print the bad blocks and I don't see any flags to "ignore" them? |
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| 17:12.32 | doub | ludi: either there's no disc in the drive, or hdc is not the correct device |
| 17:12.32 | Creap | should i feed badblocks to mkfs.ext3 or something or what.. |
| 17:12.35 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Good idea. I usually use an ironing board and wait a couple of days. |
| 17:12.44 | FieldySnuts | man badblocks |
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| 17:12.53 | FieldySnuts | it doesn't do anything itself only finds things |
| 17:13.10 | ludi | doub: well my cd-rw drive is IDE secondary master...and the CD in the drive is known to work. |
| 17:13.14 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: there are no ironing boards here at work. |
| 17:13.20 | larsmo | ooh, it was that easy :P, thank you so much |
| 17:13.20 | greycat | or at least, not in my area. |
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| 17:13.33 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Same here too, but I don't usually bring wet socks to work. |
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| 17:13.52 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: cause you have waterproof shoes |
| 17:13.54 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: the accumulated precipitation on the ground this morning was quite slushy. |
| 17:14.05 | doub | ludi: maybe ide-scsi is loaded, so your disc becomes /dev/scd<some number> |
| 17:14.15 | binary_dreamer | hi could somen=one tell how to upgrade gnome to 2.8? i am running sarge? |
| 17:14.29 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I have big cracks in the bottoms of my shoes, and when I sludge through swamps (e.g. Cleveland sidewalks in Jan./Feb.) my socks get wet. |
| 17:14.42 | ricky_clarkson | binary_dreamer: "i am running sarge?" Strange question, you should know what you're running. |
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| 17:15.06 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: I need to buy some superglue for one pair of shoes, it's annoying. |
| 17:15.06 | Creap | so if I do mkfs.ext3 -c and it will automaticly ignore the bad blocks? |
| 17:15.10 | binary_dreamer | ricky_clarkson, it's not a question |
| 17:15.19 | ricky_clarkson | binary_dreamer: It has a question mark (?). |
| 17:15.34 | binary_dreamer | ricky_clarkson, ok it's my mistake. |
| 17:15.38 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: I think this is my shoes' way of saying "it's time to retire us". |
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| 17:16.06 | PerfDave | Creap: what does the mkfs manpage say? |
| 17:16.21 | Creap | that -c "checks" for bad blocks |
| 17:16.29 | Creap | nothing about what it does about it |
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| 17:17.29 | PerfDave | Creap: Well, there wouldn't be any point checking for bad blocks without doing anything about it, would there? |
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| 17:17.42 | Creap | maybe not ;P |
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| 17:18.49 | obtix | im getting an error saying i need SOCK_PACKET installed in my kernel... but I can't find it is it "PF_Key Sockets"? |
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| 17:19.28 | MrP | Is there a program that can be used to compress a DVD rip? Like the actual VOB files and jazz like that? |
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| 17:20.41 | HeavenWarrior | what is difference between Debian and so called Woody or Potato i've seened in some mirrors |
| 17:20.42 | jimdigital | NE1 want to give some advice on setting up mysql-server, for example: why shouldn't I use mysql supplied binaries? |
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| 17:20.44 | luite | can anyone recommend a good sql-db based mail storage system other than dbmail? |
| 17:20.55 | TTT | HeavenWarrior, potato is VERY old, forget it |
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| 17:21.35 | stew | HeavenWarrior: /msg dpkg potato ; /msg dpkg woody ; http://debian.org/releases |
| 17:21.40 | greycat | HeavenWarrior: buzz, rex, bo, hamm, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch are all *versions* of Debian. |
| 17:21.50 | greycat | (well, not etch yet.) |
| 17:21.59 | HeavenWarrior | greycat is therre Sid version |
| 17:22.03 | greycat | !sid |
| 17:22.03 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 17:22.04 | HeavenWarrior | which is unstable |
| 17:22.05 | t1ng | I ahve a base install of woody, with apache, php4 and mysql, trying to get phpbb2 to work, but seem to be missing php---mysql component any help please |
| 17:22.11 | Stefan` | vlc won't play dvds - "libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable." <- is this the reason? |
| 17:22.32 | morningstar_ | i have a question, i'm a normal debian-user, not bad and not good, what is there i can do for this dist? |
| 17:22.34 | simonrvn | yay, dpkg is back |
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| 17:22.51 | doub | Stefan`: it won't play encrypted dvds |
| 17:22.52 | simonrvn | t1ng: used to doing a lot of tla/arch? |
| 17:22.55 | grivell | Stefan`: yes. Use marillats's source. Get libdvdcss |
| 17:22.56 | greycat | Stefan`: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 17:23.02 | greycat | !praise Marillat |
| 17:23.14 | HeavenWarrior | TTT I'm gonna try Debian Sarge.. |
| 17:23.17 | grivell | agreed :) |
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| 17:23.25 | HeavenWarrior | So i'm gona download RC 2 installer |
| 17:23.35 | t1ng | simonrvn, sorry ? |
| 17:23.39 | ludi | any idea when debian-security updates for sarge come online |
| 17:23.44 | simonrvn | t1ng: never mind |
| 17:23.56 | TTT | HeavenWarrior, good luck, it should work well |
| 17:23.58 | t1ng | simonrvn, what have I missed, php works just fine |
| 17:24.01 | greycat | ludi: RSN. WIR. |
| 17:24.05 | streuner_ | ludi: that's a tric question? |
| 17:24.05 | obtix | im getting an error saying i need SOCK_PACKET installed in my kernel... but I can't find it is it "PF_Key Sockets"? |
| 17:24.11 | simonrvn | t1ng: forget it... |
| 17:24.22 | t1ng | well I'd like to get this working ! |
| 17:24.24 | HeavenWarrior | TTT can i talk with you at private |
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| 17:24.34 | greycat | griffon:~$ grep -i sock.*pack /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:24.35 | greycat | griffon:~$ |
| 17:24.35 | TTT | HeavenWarrior, yes |
| 17:24.38 | HeavenWarrior | ok |
| 17:24.45 | simonrvn | t1ng: what i said has nothing to do with php or mysql... |
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| 17:25.13 | doub | obtix: isn't it CONFIG_PACKET ? |
| 17:25.13 | t1ng | I guessed that, but I am not familiar with that stuff ;-) sorry ! |
| 17:25.25 | greycat | !kernel options for dhcp |
| 17:25.26 | dpkg | Use CONFIG_FILTER (Networking Options -> Socket Filtering) (dhcp-client package requires it) and CONFIG_PACKET (Networking Options -> Packet Socket). If you forgot, you'll have to recompile. CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP should be reserved for special uses like diskless clients: if you asked you don't need it. |
| 17:25.28 | greycat | do you mean THOSE? |
| 17:25.28 | kensai | kernel-kbuild only worked for kernel 2.6.8 ? |
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| 17:25.53 | streuner_ | kensai: make-kpkg works for 2.6.8 |
| 17:26.03 | nsillik | okay, i have a maxtor one-touch external drive... it has this big old button on the front... how would i be able to find out what interrupt it generates when it is pressed? |
| 17:26.22 | greycat | nsillik: Don't touch that! That's the history eraser button, you fool!! |
| 17:26.25 | obtix | doub: thats what i thought, but its compiled in my kernel and nmap still isnt working |
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| 17:27.05 | doub | obtix: what's the error? |
| 17:27.32 | greycat | doub: whatever it is, I bet "kernel options for dhcp" answered it |
| 17:27.34 | obtix | doub: LINUX: If you are getting Socket type not supported, try modprobe |
| 17:27.35 | obtix | af_packet or recompile your kernel with SOCK_PACKET enabled. |
| 17:27.45 | greycat | obtix: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:28.15 | obtix | greycat: right now run nmap... but im sure this will cause problem for me later anyways |
| 17:28.37 | HeavenWarrior | i;ve choosed debian not Slackware |
| 17:28.38 | greycat | obtix: well, dpkg's answer to "kernel options for dhcp" seems to cover it... |
| 17:28.41 | HeavenWarrior | is that choice good |
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| 17:28.45 | greycat | HeavenWarrior: yes |
| 17:29.00 | grivell | HeavenWarrior: nah ;) |
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| 17:29.40 | renzo | hi everybody |
| 17:29.44 | obtix | greycat: ok thanks let me check that out.... i thought i had all that covered |
| 17:29.50 | TTT | HeavenWarrior, i've used both. Slack is good if you want to much around in plain text config files in /etc yourself |
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| 17:29.53 | sussudio | hmm. |
| 17:30.05 | Azar | greycat, just for general education, isn't BSD using same kernel as Linux does? |
| 17:30.09 | greycat | Azar: no. |
| 17:30.16 | Azar | greycat, thank you |
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| 17:30.38 | renzo | I'm running a 2.4.17 kernel on my gateway right now. Is it necessary to upgrade to a 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 17:30.50 | neenee | no |
| 17:30.54 | doub | Azar: linux *is* a kernel, BSD is a full operating system with it's own kernel |
| 17:31.03 | McCabe | i have CUPS running and I've added an epson printed that shared from a winXP host. When I print on linux, the prints come out really slow, like it's trying to print in 13000 dpi or something :) anyone knows what could be the cause? dpi settings seems ok, as to everything else i can think of.. |
| 17:31.04 | Azar | greycat, I asked because I found the patch for same kernel vulnerability posted at kerneltrap/openbsd |
| 17:31.15 | Azar | so that why the big question in my mind |
| 17:31.19 | renzo | neenee: talkin to me? |
| 17:31.27 | neenee | renzo: yes :) |
| 17:31.27 | greycat | Azar: URL? |
| 17:31.32 | neenee | renzo: why update if what you have works |
| 17:31.39 | Azar | greycat: http://openbsd.kerneltrap.org/ |
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| 17:32.06 | MrP | Is there a package to compress a dvd rip? |
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| 17:32.15 | renzo | neenee: true. just didn't know what was changed in 2.6. maybe some security advantage? |
| 17:32.17 | greycat | MrP: marillat has all of that. |
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| 17:32.44 | greycat | ii dvdrip 0.50.18-0.1 Perl front end for transcode |
| 17:32.50 | greycat | ^^^ from marillat. |
| 17:32.59 | MrP | Hm, what is marillat? |
| 17:33.00 | neenee | renzo: probably some, though there are probably new holes too |
| 17:33.06 | cunumen | I'm at a debconf screen for fonty, asking for the default system font--do I need to pick one here, or does defoma take care of that... or did I make a mistake instlalling both? |
| 17:33.08 | obtix | greycat: the CONFIG_FILTER (Networking Options -> Socket Filtering) isn't there.. im using kernel 2.6.10 and I already had Packet Socket compiled into my kernel |
| 17:33.15 | greycat | Azar: ironically perhaps, the word "openbsd" does not occur on that page even once. |
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| 17:33.19 | renzo | neenee: :) |
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| 17:33.33 | greycat | obtix: oh, maybe that's Yet Another Gratuitous Change in 2.6. |
| 17:33.39 | cmartine | can swatch be used with any log file? |
| 17:33.46 | neenee | renzo: but if you run a server with a lot of threads, 2.6 + nptl might be interesting |
| 17:33.47 | Skiver | has anyone here experienced in disabling IPV6 module ? |
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| 17:37.17 | neenee | which ipv6 module. and why is it enabled? |
| 17:37.18 | obtix | greycat: do you know of any other names i could try or where to look? and yeah, i noticed a few minor but key changed of placement in 2.6.10 that weren't in 2.6.7 |
| 17:37.19 | Skiver | neenee : it's enabled by default on the prepacked kernel i got in sid |
| 17:37.19 | MrP | greycat: What is marillat? I'm not finding any packages by that name |
| 17:37.19 | neenee | skiver: i see. well, if you do not use ipv6, feel free to not use / compile the module |
| 17:37.19 | neenee | and while you're at it, you might want to leave out support for other things you do not have/use :) |
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| 17:38.02 | FieldySnuts | my fucking god, lame |
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| 17:38.25 | greycat | MrP: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 17:38.29 | FieldySnuts | phew good |
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| 17:38.57 | Skiver | neenee : recompile kernel is always my last resort, i'm looking for a way that can be done in editing some files |
| 17:38.57 | thingfish | wow that's without a doubt the biggest netsplit I've ever seen. |
| 17:38.57 | FieldySnuts | not that it helped. |
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| 17:38.58 | FieldySnuts | i thought this is what overflow chans were for |
| 17:38.58 | greycat | FieldySnuts: no, they're for malicious join-flooders |
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| 17:39.01 | neenee | skiver: i see. check /etc/modules to see if it's auto-loaded |
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| 17:39.05 | PerfDave | Why do netsplits happen? |
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| 17:39.09 | FieldySnuts | i'd call that a join flood... |
| 17:39.09 | thingfish | that was the mother of all netsplits |
| 17:39.09 | FieldySnuts | and that |
| 17:39.09 | dondelelcaro | thingfish: nah, it wasn't. |
| 17:39.11 | obtix | err :-\ |
| 17:39.12 | FieldySnuts | not malicioius |
| 17:39.16 | greycat | FieldySnuts: but it's a net-unsplit, not a malicious act. |
| 17:39.27 | PerfDave | 17:39 1 #debian: JOINS PARTS QUITS |
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| 17:39.38 | pingouiin | freenode under attack ? |
| 17:39.41 | FieldySnuts | if i were dialup i'd pry get flooded off sheesh |
| 17:39.43 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 17:39.44 | dondelelcaro | pingouiin: no, just a net split |
| 17:39.45 | greycat | pingouiin: netsplit. Deal. |
| 17:39.51 | renzo | valdyn_: which client would you recommend? I need one, that is accessable through a webinterface |
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| 17:39.59 | possie | hi |
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| 17:40.21 | valdyn_ | renzo: no idea at all |
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| 17:40.39 | qwertz | Hi! Is it possible to use php4 and mysql version 4.1 in debian sarge without recompiling the whole php-system? |
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| 17:40.43 | FieldySnuts | 25 joins in 10 seconds or the other way around? |
| 17:40.46 | Skiver | neenee : the 1st 'lsmod' i did after a clean boot did not show IPV6, however it's loaded after i open Mozilla web browser. i am looking for a way to prevent the system to load it on demand |
| 17:40.56 | greycat | Skiver: why? |
| 17:41.01 | MrKeuner | hi, I want to install the same packages on a different computer. is this OK?: 1-I will download all the packages currently installed on my source system. 2-I will dpkg-scanpackages and put Packages.gz along with all downloaded debian files on a cd. 3-Show the cd to apt-setup. |
| 17:41.05 | Azar | greycat, my bad just because the announcement happened in openbsd forum I thought somehow it involves it as well |
| 17:41.05 | FieldySnuts | chmod 0000 themodule or something |
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| 17:41.12 | possie | i'm trying to get my sound to work, now i'm playing a ogg file with xmms, and xmms plays the song , but i dont' hear any sound, but i don't hear anything, now the volume is up, anyone have an idea what i might try as well ? |
| 17:41.26 | FieldySnuts | alsa? which is muted by default |
| 17:41.32 | Skiver | greycat : IPV6 greatly slows down the browser's dns lookup |
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| 17:41.37 | neenee | skiver: hm. perhaps there's something ipv6 related in a file in /etc/network - perhaps in interfaces? |
| 17:41.47 | ricky_clarkson | possie: Plugging in the headphones. |
| 17:41.47 | sussudio | ElectricElf: Electric1lf (~david@anorien.csc.warwick.ac.uk) < is that you? |
| 17:41.49 | possie | FieldySnuts. with aumix i turned the volume up as well, btw i'm using Open Sound System |
| 17:41.49 | ricky_clarkson | possie: aumix |
| 17:41.59 | greycat | Skiver: something else is wrong, then. |
| 17:42.01 | dondelelcaro | Skiver: eh? it shouldn't, unless you've got something totally screwed up |
| 17:42.11 | possie | ricky_clarkson. yeah aumix volume is up, but i don't know if i should use alsa instead of oss |
| 17:42.24 | ricky_clarkson | possie: There are at least two aumix volumes relevant. |
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| 17:42.35 | dhruv | hi, i'm trying to bring interfaces up and down in a script. I set the script to be suid root, but /sbin/ifdown and ifup error out. Any ideas? |
| 17:42.44 | doub | possie: if you want to record, you should |
| 17:43.02 | greycat | dhruv: scripts ignore suid/sgid bits in Linux. |
| 17:43.07 | greycat | dhruv: use sudo |
| 17:43.11 | Skiver | greycat, dondelelcaro : this is a debian sarge base installation. the first thing i wanna do is to disable the IPv6 as i did with fc3 |
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| 17:43.30 | renzo | anyone else know a commandline bittorrent client with web backend? |
| 17:43.32 | greycat | Skiver: fine, go remove the module and remember to do that every time you upgrade the kernel |
| 17:43.52 | greycat | renzo: what the hell is "commandline ... with web backend"? |
| 17:44.10 | dhruv | greycat: thanks, I didn't know |
| 17:44.17 | renzo | greycat: well, just want something that I can command through my browser |
| 17:44.18 | _keylogger_142 | greycat : w3m possibly |
| 17:44.19 | PerfDave | Skiver: What messages do you get in /var/log/messages or dmesg when you start Mozilla and the IPv6 module is "automatically" loaded? |
| 17:44.28 | fish_ | renzo: good point: anybody know a in c(++) written bittrorrent console client? |
| 17:44.33 | greycat | renzo: doesn't btdownloadheadless work? (never tried it...) |
| 17:44.51 | greycat | fish_: why does the implementation language matter? |
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| 17:44.58 | renzo | greycat: don't know, will try |
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| 17:45.05 | PerfDave | renzo: btlaunchmanycurses, use your browser to save .torrent files into the directory? |
| 17:45.18 | Skiver | PerfDave : shows nothing but i believe it's doing ipv6-ipv4 tunneling |
| 17:45.26 | greycat | of course, we have no idea what he means by "control" |
| 17:45.35 | greycat | err, "command". |
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| 17:45.49 | PerfDave | Skiver: So what makes you think that the ipv6 module is being loaded? When modules are loaded, they generally show output. |
| 17:45.53 | fish_ | greycat: because i want to install it on my router/server, it has a 128MB cf-disk and i won't install python |
| 17:45.59 | PoonJ | hey guys..I'm trying to access a program on my remote server throgh x11 forwarding in ssh |
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| 17:46.12 | PoonJ | I downloaded cgywin...but when I ssh to my box..and try to run the program |
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| 17:46.15 | FieldySnuts | that and efnet #warez-kids |
| 17:46.18 | PoonJ | it says it can't find a display |
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| 17:46.30 | greycat | PoonJ: did you run an X display? |
| 17:46.31 | PoonJ | I enabled SSH X11 forwarding on my remote box.. |
| 17:46.37 | PerfDave | PoonJ: Have you enabled ssh forwarding on the client *and* server? |
| 17:46.40 | FieldySnuts | PoonJ: in the server AND client? |
| 17:46.43 | greycat | did you start X? |
| 17:46.51 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: *rawr* |
| 17:46.52 | PoonJ | how do I know if I have it enabled on my client? |
| 17:46.52 | Skiver | PerfDave : lsmod showed the output, booted, started x , loaded kde did not show IPV6, after open mozilla yes |
| 17:46.54 | FieldySnuts | ;/ |
| 17:47.01 | PoonJ | well, X is working..I ran xclock on my cgywin setup |
| 17:47.04 | PoonJ | so I know that is working.. |
| 17:47.08 | greycat | PoonJ: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 17:47.13 | PerfDave | Skiver: So something's loading a module and not displaying *anything* in dmesg or /var/log/messages? |
| 17:47.15 | doublehp | I have a modem and a sound card ( microphone+speakers) ... how to use all that to make phone calls ? |
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| 17:47.29 | greycat | PerfDave: probably gethostbyname() or similar.... |
| 17:47.34 | [GQ]Virtu | how do I start x manually? |
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| 17:47.40 | greycat | [GQ]Virtu: startx |
| 17:47.53 | PerfDave | greycat: If something's loading a module automagically, it should display some output somewhere... |
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| 17:48.02 | greycat | PerfDave: perhaps in dmesg. |
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| 17:48.37 | neenee | or in /var/log/messages |
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| 17:48.49 | PoonJ | got it.. |
| 17:48.50 | PoonJ | thanks! |
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| 17:49.09 | Skiver | PerfDave : positive about /var/log/messages, i'll check dmesg |
| 17:49.12 | PerfDave | greycat: Yes, like I suggested. |
| 17:49.27 | Stefan` | this mplayer doesn't work either. It always stops at "Cache fill: 19.53% (204800 bytes)" - heeelp! :) |
| 17:49.36 | greycat | Stefan`: #mplayer |
| 17:49.40 | Stefan` | kk |
| 17:49.57 | FieldySnuts | @confuse Stefan` |
| 17:50.00 | ravenbird | yes them are their bacon today ? |
| 17:50.04 | FieldySnuts | bleh his confuse sucks |
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| 17:50.21 | Skiver | PerfDave : can i paste the related lines here ? |
| 17:50.31 | greycat | Skiver: no, /topic |
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| 17:50.49 | PerfDave | Skiver: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 17:50.51 | greycat | resiak: ~ |
| 17:50.53 | resiak | ~confuse me |
| 17:50.55 | apt | yes how are their hamster today ? |
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| 17:50.58 | [GQ]Virtu | thx greycat |
| 17:51.00 | Skiver | well then it's saying something about "IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver" |
| 17:51.05 | resiak | greycat: Ta :) |
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| 17:52.05 | [GQ]Virtu | since i am a totally newbie, i can't bring kde to work |
| 17:52.17 | PerfDave | [GQ]Virtu: KDE, or X? |
| 17:52.32 | possie | ricky_clarkson. do i need to isntall alsa-base aswell in order to play music ? |
| 17:52.39 | [GQ]Virtu | startx brings me to x-desktop |
| 17:52.45 | ricky_clarkson | possie: I don't. |
| 17:52.49 | greycat | [GQ]Virtu: this is good, yes? |
| 17:52.57 | Skiver | PerfDave : http://channels.debian.net/paste/175 |
| 17:52.59 | Babyboy | #cavadas |
| 17:53.11 | Babyboy | #join cavadas |
| 17:53.16 | greycat | Babyboy: /join #cavadas |
| 17:53.17 | [GQ]Virtu | for daily work it should load kde on boot |
| 17:53.29 | greycat | [GQ]Virtu: then install kdm and be happy |
| 17:53.31 | Babyboy | thanks |
| 17:53.32 | resiak | [GQ]Virtu: apt-get install gdm or apt-get install gdm |
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| 17:53.44 | MrP | Why is it that when I try to install mplayer, I only get woody packages? I am running sid |
| 17:53.44 | resiak | [GQ]Virtu: Obviously, one of those should have been k not g. |
| 17:53.46 | Babyboy | tou no linux |
| 17:53.51 | greycat | MrP: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 17:53.56 | Babyboy | ]n xei mexer next mewrda |
| 17:53.57 | resiak | MrP: Do you have the woody sources in your sources.list? |
| 17:54.09 | PerfDave | Skiver: And those are the lines which appear *after* Mozilla is started? |
| 17:54.14 | NosaJ | how do I disable xdm? |
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| 17:54.19 | greycat | NosaJ: apt-get remove xdm |
| 17:54.25 | greycat | or /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 17:54.32 | HeavenWarrior | Skiver i know ho to disable IPV6 |
| 17:54.36 | HeavenWarrior | cause i'm on fEDORA CORE # |
| 17:54.45 | HeavenWarrior | it costs problems to some peoples |
| 17:54.45 | thingfish | troll |
| 17:54.47 | [GQ]Virtu | today i upgraded from stable to testing, but now kde doesn't start after upgrading |
| 17:54.50 | greycat | HeavenWarrior: so, how do you do it there? |
| 17:54.57 | MrP | How do you run DVD::Rip without mplayer? |
| 17:55.04 | Skiver | HeavenWarrior : tq but my fc time is over |
| 17:55.05 | NosaJ | greycat, other than removing it |
| 17:55.06 | greycat | MrP: it doesn't use mplayer. it uses transcode. |
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| 17:55.13 | greycat | NosaJ: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:55.16 | FieldySnuts | chmod 0000 /lib/modules/`uname -r/whatever |
| 17:55.20 | FieldySnuts | lame but try it |
| 17:55.20 | MrP | greycat: Ah, ok |
| 17:55.21 | thingfish | in fedora core, you add the line "alias net-pf-10 off" to /etc/modprobe.conf. |
| 17:55.25 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 17:55.30 | FieldySnuts | chmod 0000 /lib/modules/`uname -r`/whatever-ipv6module |
| 17:55.41 | greycat | (**** WWWWHHHHYYYYY **** do these newbies always insist that they want to KEEP THE THING THEY HATE instead of just FUCKING REMOVING IT AND PUTTING IT BACK WHEN THEY WANT IT AGAIN? ***) |
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| 17:55.53 | zno | I just installed a debian woody system but it only has loopback support, is there a way I can make it autodetect my nic module? |
| 17:55.54 | FieldySnuts | greycat++ |
| 17:55.56 | Skiver | PerfDave : yes |
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| 17:56.09 | greycat | !FAQ zno |
| 17:56.10 | dpkg | zno: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:56.18 | kiwibird | anyone here know if skolelinux will work with windows on another partition? and if so, which profile to install with? |
| 17:56.19 | HeavenWarrior | As root, you must add the line: "alias net-pf-10 off" (without quotes) |
| 17:56.20 | HeavenWarrior | to the end of your /etc/modprobe.conf file. |
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| 17:56.29 | HeavenWarrior | it works |
| 17:56.37 | greycat | HeavenWarrior: ok, then here's the debian way: echo alias net-pf-10 off >> /etc/modutils/aliases; update-modules |
| 17:56.39 | PerfDave | Skiver: It's probably being loaded by discover or something like that, there should be a blacklist to stop it being loaded. |
| 17:56.41 | FieldySnuts | yes, in fedora. |
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| 17:56.52 | HeavenWarrior | yep |
| 17:57.03 | HeavenWarrior | i've experienced in RH based distros |
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| 17:57.12 | HeavenWarrior | i wanna check my ability with DEBIAN |
| 17:57.14 | HeavenWarrior | .. ;) |
| 17:57.18 | greycat | HeavenWarrior: and now you know the Debian way too. |
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| 17:57.31 | HeavenWarrior | yeah ;) |
| 17:57.43 | Skiver | HeavenWarrior : /etc/modprobe.conf does not exist in debian, for your information |
| 17:57.45 | HeavenWarrior | i'm not afraid of missing some guis ;) |
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| 17:57.49 | HeavenWarrior | btw |
| 17:57.50 | doublehp | I have a modem and a sound card ( microphone+speakers) ... how to use all that to make phone calls ? -> mgetty-voice http://www.ilug-hyd.org.in/lamhowto.html |
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| 17:58.19 | Skiver | HeavenWarrior : although there's /etc/modprobe.d/aliases , but adding that line did not help |
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| 17:58.29 | HeavenWarrior | As root, you must add the line: "alias net-pf-10 off" (without quotes) |
| 17:58.29 | HeavenWarrior | to the end of your /etc/modprobe.conf file. |
| 17:58.34 | HeavenWarrior | op sorry |
| 17:58.51 | HeavenWarrior | Skiver greycat had said it |
| 17:59.02 | MrP | In DVD::Rip, what do you use for "cdrecord" setting? The default is the xcdrwrap binary, but I can't seem to find a package that has that |
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| 17:59.30 | greycat | MrP: apt-get install cdrecord |
| 17:59.50 | Vegar | Where do I choose which browser thunderbird should use? |
| 17:59.53 | Xptical | I have a silly question...if I do "apt-get install apache", how do I know which version I'm getting? |
| 18:00.02 | greycat | Xptical: 1.3.x patched. |
| 18:00.03 | asg | Xptical: do apt-cache policy apache |
| 18:00.05 | MrP | greycat: Thanks for all the duh answers, I feel like a moron :) |
| 18:00.06 | NosaJ | thx greycat |
| 18:00.10 | stew | Xptical: apt-cache show apache |
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| 18:00.14 | Xptical | ah |
| 18:00.18 | Xptical | thanks... |
| 18:00.23 | Skiver | greycat, PerfDave : brb with the result. |
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| 18:00.43 | Xptical | I knew I could look it up by version...but didn't know how to query a specific version... |
| 18:00.46 | joujou | does IE support http 1.1? |
| 18:00.59 | asg | joujou: not well (at least in regards to SSL) |
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| 18:01.17 | joujou | asg: any links? |
| 18:01.27 | asg | joujou: read the apache2 httpd.conf |
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| 18:01.43 | HeavenWarrior | i know Ubuntu is off-topic as is written |
| 18:01.44 | HeavenWarrior | but |
| 18:01.47 | PoonJ | thanks guys! |
| 18:01.49 | PoonJ | got it to work |
| 18:01.50 | asg | joujou: or google for 'braindead IE apache2 SSL force downgrade fix' |
| 18:01.52 | HeavenWarrior | what's your opinnion |
| 18:01.53 | PoonJ | appreciate the help! |
| 18:01.55 | HeavenWarrior | about it |
| 18:02.02 | Unknown-User | Hi |
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| 18:02.11 | asg | HeavenWarrior: ask bob2 |
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| 18:02.23 | HeavenWarrior | ok |
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| 18:03.07 | Unknown-User | Can anyone help, got a problem with getting my pcmcia running during debian setup? |
| 18:03.18 | joujou | asg: how about firefox? |
| 18:03.27 | asg | joujou: it doesn't have that particular issue |
| 18:03.31 | Xptical | another Q...If i'm installing from the groovy debian-installer disc, and I select "web server", I get apache2. Why? |
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| 18:03.55 | asg | Xptical: because they decided 'web server' was the apache2 package presumably |
| 18:04.01 | Xptical | lol |
| 18:04.10 | nvz | Xptical: because you used tasksel which is a generic selection of packages |
| 18:04.13 | asg | Xptical: if you don't want it, remove it and install apache |
| 18:04.32 | knt | what's the default gtkrc file in system= |
| 18:04.42 | Xptical | ah, i'm just screwing around on a VM. I've done about 50 installs over the last 3 days |
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| 18:04.44 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
| 18:04.54 | Xptical | just trying to get used to how it all works... |
| 18:05.00 | JohnFlux | running "modconf" shows nothing. doing lsmod also shows no modules at all loaded |
| 18:05.06 | JohnFlux | why would this be? |
| 18:05.06 | Xptical | very different from gentoo... |
| 18:05.16 | JohnFlux | I'm guessing i'm missing a kernel modules package or something? |
| 18:05.20 | asg | JohnFlux: what debian? what kernel? |
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| 18:05.48 | JohnFlux | asg: unstable, 2.6.5 |
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| 18:06.05 | asg | JohnFlux: probably module-init-tools or modutils |
| 18:06.37 | JohnFlux | asg: both are installed |
| 18:06.44 | ludi | Say I've done a base net install of Sarge. Now what is the apt-get command to install X and gnome2? Thanks. |
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| 18:07.10 | dvs | ludi: apt-get install gnome |
| 18:07.36 | ludi | sure? |
| 18:07.38 | JohnFlux | ludi: also you can run tasksel |
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| 18:08.00 | asg | JohnFlux: maybe you compiled a fully monolithic kernel? |
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| 18:08.15 | resiak | ludi: You'll also need to install x-window-system-core |
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| 18:08.37 | JohnFlux | asg: hmm, no i got it from debian.. wierd |
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| 18:10.18 | bucky | JohnFlux, how did you get it from debian? |
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| 18:11.04 | ludi | so what is the apt-get command then? apt-get install gnome x-window-system-core |
| 18:11.06 | ludi | ? |
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| 18:11.17 | resiak | ludi: Got it. |
| 18:11.27 | simonrvn | immortalmans: don't /msg me |
| 18:11.35 | BucWheat | hello all i installed mysql-server mysql-common, and mysql-client and i can't find mysql.h ; i have also performed updatedb |
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| 18:11.45 | simonrvn | immortalmans: ever. |
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| 18:11.53 | ludi | hrm...that doesn't sound right to me |
| 18:12.01 | obtix | two simple questions: whats that 3 letter application called for terminal mouse support? and... on an old system i have a /etc/rc.boot/net file i made that runs on boot before the login if i make that dir and file it will automaticly run, correct? |
| 18:12.03 | bucky | BucWheat, mysql-dev ? |
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| 18:12.18 | ludi | I thought the top level meta package for gnome was "gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 18:12.27 | BucWheat | bucky that is what i thought but no dice. apt-cache search mysql-dev yields nada |
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| 18:13.18 | resiak | ludi: gnome pulls in all kinds of other applications that gnome-desktop-environment doesn't. |
| 18:13.28 | caphuso | BucWheat: apt-cache search --names-only -- lib mysql -dev |
| 18:13.37 | resiak | ludi: In fact, gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment. |
| 18:13.40 | thingfish | not that I'm at all concerned about it, but following greycat's instructions regarding turning off ipv6 didn't produce the expected results: lsmod still shows ipv6 loaded. |
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| 18:13.55 | BucWheat | caphuso, k. i'll try that |
| 18:14.08 | resiak | ludi: So the former is a superset of the latter. Oh, and separately pulling in x-window-system-core is necessary because you don't need a local X server to run Gnome. |
| 18:14.21 | resiak | ludi: You could install x-window-system if you want all kinda of archaic X gubbings. |
| 18:14.28 | resiak | s/ing/in/ |
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| 18:14.51 | caphuso | or x-window-system-core to get only the necessary stuff |
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| 18:15.20 | paulswm | BucWheat: apt-file says it's in libmysqlclientNN-dev amd pikeN.N-mysql |
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| 18:15.45 | paulswm | BucWheat: apt-file is an incredibly useful took |
| 18:16.03 | BucWheat | paulswm never heard of apt-file |
| 18:16.05 | BucWheat | let me try that |
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| 18:16.48 | obtix | two simple questions: whats that 3 letter application called for terminal mouse support? and... on an old system i have a /etc/rc.boot/net file i made that runs on boot before the login if i make that dir and file it will automaticly run, correct? |
| 18:16.57 | paulswm | BucWheat: if you haven't heard of it, then you'll probably need to install it and read the manpage |
| 18:17.12 | caphuso | obtix: gpm and /etc/rc.boot has been obsolete for a very long time now |
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| 18:17.26 | BucWheat | paulswm k |
| 18:17.28 | BucWheat | thanks |
| 18:17.34 | Skiver | hi, i'm back |
| 18:17.41 | obtix | caphuso: /etc/rc.boot still works though, right? or is there something else/better to use now? |
| 18:17.53 | stew | obtix: you should make scripts in init.d and ln -s from /etc/rcS.d instead of rc.boot |
| 18:17.54 | caphuso | obtix: what exactly does that net script do? |
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| 18:18.11 | Skiver | greycat, PerfDave : it works, with combination of both of your methods |
| 18:18.22 | kbrooks | i need to force purge the ruby1.8 package so that dpkg deletes all directories |
| 18:18.25 | obtix | caphuso: configures some network specific settings for me at boot |
| 18:18.26 | kbrooks | er |
| 18:18.33 | stew | obtix: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:18.39 | caphuso | obtix: and you can't use /etc/network/interfaces like anybody else? |
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| 18:18.47 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: Err... |
| 18:18.47 | kbrooks | deletes any directory associated with the package |
| 18:19.21 | kbrooks | sorry, i didnt really type right. |
| 18:19.29 | thingfish | Skiver: I got what greycat told you to do, what did PerfDave tell you to do? |
| 18:19.30 | obtix | caphuso: no, it runs a script designed for the network... that network does mac filtering and i use it so i can change my mac address |
| 18:19.42 | obtix | stew: ok... i'll look into it - thank you |
| 18:19.51 | Skiver | thingfish : /etc/discover.conf |
| 18:20.02 | Skiver | added "skip ipv6" |
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| 18:20.07 | caphuso | obtix: pre-up or up command in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:20.12 | Skiver | this will prevent the module loading on demand |
| 18:20.15 | thingfish | Skiver: hmm, ok. |
| 18:20.26 | obtix | caphuso: what? |
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| 18:20.33 | kbrooks | thomas_adam: well? |
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| 18:20.46 | caphuso | obtix: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:21.00 | paulswm | kbrooks: apt-get and aptitude both have purge options |
| 18:21.18 | obtix | caphuso: ok thanks.... |
| 18:21.22 | grivell | It's '_' for aptitude |
| 18:21.23 | kbrooks | paulswm: dpkg did not remove some directories. |
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| 18:21.36 | nvz | !test |
| 18:21.37 | dpkg | No, nvz, you're not online any more. |
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| 18:21.52 | thomas_adam | kbrooks: You want something like: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l ruby\* | awk '/^rc/ {print $2}' | xargs dpkg -P |
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| 18:24.10 | Vegar | Where do I choose which browser thunderbird should use? |
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| 18:24.33 | ludi | gnome depends on gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 18:25.09 | ludi | so that means gnome-desktop-environment is a subset of gnome? |
| 18:25.11 | thomas_adam | ludi: the latter is a meta package. |
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| 18:25.33 | ludi | or that gnome is a subset of gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:25.37 | ludi | which one? |
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| 18:25.53 | thomas_adam | ludi: "meta-package" is the buzzword. |
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| 18:26.06 | greycat | ludi: A depends on B. That means if you install A, you get B too. |
| 18:26.23 | greycat | and if you want to remove B, you must also remove A. |
| 18:26.24 | ludi | so if you install gnome you get gnome-desktop-environment. |
| 18:26.35 | thomas_adam | Stuck record? |
| 18:26.38 | `Rage | hey, my deb box keeps trying to pull down a new dhcp address about every 160s, somehow, it's messing with sshd and making it impossible to stay connected.... is there a way I can make it stop? |
| 18:26.38 | ludi | and gnome-desktop-environment is a meta-package. |
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| 18:26.45 | ludi | I'm just trying to verify... |
| 18:26.46 | sess | quick question. How can I ban a user from using specific commands? I want to block a user from executing icewm, startkde, and gnome-session |
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| 18:27.01 | thomas_adam | sess: You can't. Not easily. |
| 18:27.06 | greycat | ludi: they're *both* metapackages. |
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| 18:27.25 | dhuv | hello all |
| 18:27.29 | ludi | what would I gain by doing apt-get install gnome, versus doing apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment ? |
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| 18:27.43 | greycat | !depends gnome sarge |
| 18:27.49 | thomas_adam | ludi: You'd get more typing practise. |
| 18:27.58 | dhuv | i have cups installed and i am able to print a test page to a network printer without any problems |
| 18:28.00 | dpkg | gnome: depends on gnome-desktop-environment (= 62), gnome-office (= 62), bluefish, evolution (>= 2.0.2) | balsa, gnome-cups-manager (>= 0.25), gnome-nettool, gnome-system-tools (>= 1.0.0), gnome-themes-extras, rhythmbox, synaptic (>= 0.53.4) | gnome-apt, totem, vino, xscreensaver |
| 18:28.03 | greycat | you get all that. |
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| 18:28.18 | dhuv | how do i get firefox and abiword to print |
| 18:28.24 | kbrooks | whats with the '=' |
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| 18:28.29 | greycat | dhuv: how did you print your test page? |
| 18:28.30 | dhuv | they want to use a command like lpr |
| 18:28.30 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: Exact version. |
| 18:28.34 | ludi | so gnome gives more dependencies than gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:28.40 | ludi | I was just wondering what is the delta on that |
| 18:28.43 | dhuv | greycat: i print through kde printer config |
| 18:28.46 | kbrooks | ludi: hold on. |
| 18:28.48 | greycat | dear gods. |
| 18:28.53 | thomas_adam | ludi: Sorry? |
| 18:28.55 | greycat | doesn't anyone use UNIX from the COMMAND LINE any more? |
| 18:28.58 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Yes? Btw, there's only one. |
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| 18:29.02 | kbrooks | !depends gnome-desktop-environment |
| 18:29.06 | dpkg | gnome-desktop-environment: depends on gnome-core (= 63), epiphany-browser (>= 1.4.8) | galeon (>= 1.3.18) | mozilla-firefox-gnome-support, file-roller (>= 2.8.3), gcalctool (>= 4.4.20), esound, fam | gamin, gconf-editor (>= 2.8.2), gnome-gv (>= 1:2.8.2), gnome-about (>= 2.8.1), gnome-games (>= 1:2.8.2), gnome-media (>= 2.8.0), gnome-system-monitor (>= 2.8.1), gnome-themes (>= 2.8.2), gnome2-user-guide (>= 2.8.1), gnome-utils (>= 2.8.1), gnome-volume-manager (>= 1.1.2 |
| 18:29.06 | dpkg | meeting (>= 1.0.2), gpdf (>= 2.8.1), gucharmap (>= 1.4.2), nautilus-cd-burner (>= 2.8.6), nautilus-media (>= 0.8.1), zenity (>= 2.8.2) |
| 18:29.06 | kbrooks | !depends gnome-desktop-environment sarge |
| 18:29.10 | dpkg | gnome-desktop-environment: depends on gnome-core (= 62), epiphany-browser (>= 1.4.6) | galeon (>= 1.3.18) | mozilla-firefox-gnome-support, file-roller (>= 2.8.3), gcalctool (>= 4.4.20), esound, fam | gamin, gconf-editor (>= 2.8.2), gnome-gv (>= 1:2.8.0), gnome-about (>= 2.8.1), gnome-games (>= 1:2.8.1), gnome-media (>= 2.8.0), gnome-system-monitor (>= 2.8.0), gnome-themes (>= 2.8.1), gnome2-user-guide (>= 2.8.1), gnome-utils (>= 2.8.1), gnome-volume-manager (>= 1.1.2 |
| 18:29.11 | kbrooks | sorry. |
| 18:29.11 | dpkg | meeting (>= 1.0.2), gpdf (>= 2.8.0), gucharmap, nautilus-cd-burner (>= 2.8.5), nautilus-media (>= 0.8.1), zenity (>= 2.8.1) |
| 18:29.14 | thomas_adam | FFS |
| 18:29.14 | kbrooks | grrr |
| 18:29.18 | ecko | haha command line |
| 18:29.20 | ricky_clarkson | kbrooks: /msg teh bot |
| 18:29.24 | ricky_clarkson | innit |
| 18:29.27 | ecko | :-P |
| 18:29.29 | dhuv | greycat: i though there would be an lpr-cups utility |
| 18:29.38 | ludi | looks like gnome gives a lot more than gnome-desktop-environment... |
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| 18:29.47 | greycat | dhuv: there are two packages for CUPS command line tools: the lp(1) one and the lpr(1) one. |
| 18:29.54 | greycat | dhuv: apt-cache search cupsys client |
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| 18:30.32 | ludi | apt-get install gnome x-window-system-core gdm |
| 18:30.59 | voda | hi, I've got a problem. My server can't finf my DHCP server.. It's working because other computers can too. It ain't my network card because it works in another computer.. Trying to install debian now. Anyone know what's going on? |
| 18:31.40 | greycat | voda: sniff packets on the dhcp server, check cabling. |
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| 18:32.08 | dhuv | greycat: the cupsys client is the commandline utilities for cups? |
| 18:32.09 | sess | thomas_adam: so its not likely that I can stop people from spawning gnome-session via vncserver sessions on my system (depleting valuable resources ;)) without just removing gnome, kde, etc? |
| 18:32.20 | greycat | dhuv: read the DESCRIPTIONS. |
| 18:32.25 | greycat | dhuv: we're not your nursemaids |
| 18:32.50 | voda | greycat: no cabling is allright tried 2 of them.. |
| 18:32.52 | `Rage | hmm, is it normal for a dhcp to renew every 150s ? |
| 18:33.02 | greycat | sess: if they can get to a shell they can fucking *type* "gnome-session", y'know. |
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| 18:33.13 | ugenn | is there a way to change permissions on a symlink (not the target)? |
| 18:33.18 | greycat | `Rage: the dhcp server decides the lease duration |
| 18:33.24 | dhuv | greycat: the desc just describes cups, not the package itself |
| 18:33.27 | greycat | ugenn: it's not a useful thing to do |
| 18:33.30 | thomas_adam | sess: You could crudely define aliases for them, but that's easily got around. That's as good as you'll get. |
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| 18:33.45 | sess | damn it |
| 18:33.47 | ugenn | greycat: but is it possible, i'm just curious. |
| 18:33.57 | greycat | ugenn: rm, umask, ln -s |
| 18:34.18 | greycat | ls(1) ought to just fucking NOT SHOW the perms on symlinks. |
| 18:34.40 | resiak | Coudn't sess remove execute permissions from gnome-session, then add all users who can run it to a group which you then chown gnome-session to? |
| 18:34.40 | greycat | just use "l " as the first columns. |
| 18:34.50 | ugenn | thx. |
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| 18:35.05 | thomas_adam | resiak: He could, but why bother? |
| 18:35.12 | bodq | hello |
| 18:35.12 | `Rage | i'm hoping the constant dhcpd refreshes is what's dropping my connection to the sshd and bnc every few mins |
| 18:35.22 | bodq | when will python2.4 be in debian? |
| 18:35.37 | thomas_adam | bodq: WIR |
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| 18:35.39 | greycat | !wir |
| 18:35.39 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:35.44 | bodq | oh |
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| 18:35.46 | asg | bodq: check incoming.debian.org. Let us know when it arrives. |
| 18:35.49 | bodq | it's already in |
| 18:35.50 | bodq | sorry :) |
| 18:35.51 | caphuso | python2.4 - An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4) |
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| 18:36.03 | resiak | thomas_adam: Because that's what he wants to do?# |
| 18:36.07 | blipp | hi, is there any way to 'repair' or rebuild modules.. ? (im using custom kernel with sarge).. |
| 18:36.12 | bodq | thanks debian is AWESOME! :) |
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| 18:36.16 | sytse | rror: Unable to switch charset mapping to ISO-8859-1 with terminal 'pseudo' |
| 18:36.19 | sytse | warning: Disabling unsupported locale 'en_US'. |
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| 18:36.25 | thomas_adam | blipp: How are they broken? |
| 18:36.37 | thomas_adam | resiak: But there's still issues with doing that... |
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| 18:36.47 | sytse | I get that at the first boot from harddisk with the new debian installer |
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| 18:36.59 | sytse | ftp://speedy.student.utwente.nl/debinstall-2.tty (ttyrec) <-- there's a recording of that reboot |
| 18:37.05 | radius | directhex|work and valdyn_ i got fglrx working |
| 18:37.11 | sytse | after a couple of times it says 'id is respawning too fast' |
| 18:37.16 | radius | you'll never guess how i did it either |
| 18:37.16 | sytse | anybody an idea how to fix this? |
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| 18:37.33 | resiak | thomas_adam: Hmm? |
| 18:37.45 | dvs | radius: got nvidia? |
| 18:37.49 | thomas_adam | sytse: That question has been answered a million times before on the net. |
| 18:37.49 | radius | heh |
| 18:37.54 | radius | you got it dvs |
| 18:37.57 | sytse | thomas_adam: ... sorry :) |
| 18:38.03 | radius | used nvidia drivers |
| 18:38.06 | greycat | thomas_adam: it still should be a dpkg factoid... know of one? |
| 18:38.07 | voda | how do i add a module for the network so i can run dhcp? |
| 18:38.07 | dvs | radius: I was only kidding! |
| 18:38.07 | blipp | thomas_adam : well, ive added support for module 'bttv', but i get this.. 'FATAL: Module bttv not found.' |
| 18:38.08 | sytse | thomas_adam: then fix it :P |
| 18:38.15 | radius | then removed it and installed fglrx |
| 18:38.16 | blipp | thomas_adam : when running modprobe.. |
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| 18:38.29 | radius | but it works - gdm up and running |
| 18:38.39 | directhex | radius, erm... which nvidia drivers? |
| 18:38.43 | radius | glx |
| 18:38.59 | jsbiff | I know this isn't a debian-specific question so I hope you'll not flame me. It's just a simple little question about bash. When you are writing a bash script, and you have a loop, with a command that gets executed inside the loop, for each argument in the list, is there a way to get bash to echo the command as it gets run? |
| 18:39.09 | directhex | how did installing nvidia-glx get fglrx to work? :| |
| 18:39.12 | radius | now to get 1920x1200 and i'm off to the races |
| 18:39.14 | chealer | radius: lol... |
| 18:39.20 | greycat | jsbiff: echo "this is a command"; this is a command; ... |
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| 18:39.33 | thomas_adam | greycat: It only happens because of two things (that I can tell): 1) The $USER has dicked about with /etc/inittab to try and respawn xdm (as per RH :|), or they haven't configured xdm properly (if they have X11 installed). |
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| 18:39.40 | greycat | jsbiff: or if you want *debugging* (not friendly) output, just use "set -x" |
| 18:39.45 | jsbiff | greycat: well, yeah there is that lol. I thought there might be an option to bash to get it to echo the script as it runs |
| 18:40.21 | greycat | thomas_adam: or 3) the user started X and then exited X and the fucking login banner doesn't appear for several minutes. BUG. Not user fuck-up. |
| 18:40.31 | radius | cool 1920x1200 up and working |
| 18:40.40 | paulswm | jsbiff: set -x like greycat said, not pretty but comprehensive |
| 18:40.51 | jsbiff | ok, cool, I'll try that |
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| 18:41.03 | paulswm | jsbiff: best way to debug scripts |
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| 18:41.19 | thomas_adam | greycat: Well, barring your anger, perhaps a bug report is in order, then. |
| 18:41.31 | greycat | s/process, space/process space/ |
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| 18:41.42 | greycat | damn. other channel, stupid IRC client! |
| 18:41.45 | jsbiff | that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks greycat |
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| 18:42.43 | veleno | i chroot'ed on a target where there's a debian unstable, i launched lilo, and i get : "fatal: open /dev/hda: Permission denied". i'm root..ideas ? |
| 18:42.47 | blipp | thomas_adam : the module is located in /2.6.10/kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv.ko .. |
| 18:43.24 | greycat | veleno: clearly there's no working /dev/hda in the chroot, or you're not as root as you thought. |
| 18:43.28 | ABCHel | is backports.org reliable when it comes to security updates? |
| 18:43.33 | linuxfreck | veleno: if you're using knoppix, re-mount without the nodev option |
| 18:43.35 | BucWheat | k. gents i've installed libmysqlclient10-dev and i still can't find the libraries |
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| 18:44.04 | veleno | linuxfreck: how do i remount with that option ? |
| 18:44.40 | linuxfreck | veleno: mount /your/mount/point -oremount,dev,suid,exec,rw |
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| 18:45.18 | greycat | BucWheat: dpkg -L pkgname | less |
| 18:45.52 | sytse | thomas_adam: how do I fix it? Simply by not using the serial console or is there a workaround?.. |
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| 18:46.42 | Besucher | hi |
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| 18:47.12 | neenee | hi |
| 18:47.29 | krenin | hi neenee |
| 18:47.38 | sess | where do I define normal users alias' when they use a bash shell? |
| 18:47.39 | DatGal | I used Nessus security scanner on my PC, and had many warnings. More specifically SSH 3.4.x should be 3.7.x. Currently running Debain stable, does but see no update when deselect. Why? |
| 18:47.40 | thingfish | hey krenin |
| 18:47.46 | krenin | hi thingfish how goes |
| 18:47.49 | sess | I tried putting alias statements in .bash_login |
| 18:47.49 | Besucher | i've a question, ca. 10 minutes ago i completed installing debian on my computer |
| 18:47.51 | thingfish | krenin: you doing debian these days? |
| 18:47.52 | caphuso | sess: ~/.bashrc |
| 18:47.52 | sess | but thats not working |
| 18:47.57 | sess | aaah |
| 18:47.57 | thingfish | krenin: good, you? |
| 18:47.58 | Besucher | but now i'm in a dos line i think |
| 18:48.02 | greycat | ~/.bashrc |
| 18:48.03 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 18:48.05 | krenin | thingfish: yep, debian testing. doing ok here |
| 18:48.07 | Besucher | hasn't debian got a GUI? |
| 18:48.11 | greycat | Besucher: yes |
| 18:48.11 | krenin | thingfish: i just installed 2.6.10 last night ;) |
| 18:48.21 | Besucher | how to usw the GUI? |
| 18:48.22 | thingfish | krenin: yeah, me too. I'm loving debian. |
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| 18:48.28 | Besucher | command line is not that i want |
| 18:48.29 | greycat | Besucher: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 18:48.30 | thingfish | krenin: no more fedora for me. |
| 18:48.37 | krenin | thingfish: me either |
| 18:48.40 | ecko | is anyone else having a problem with /dev/pts? |
| 18:48.41 | greycat | If you didn't want a command line, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU INSTALL UNIX? |
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| 18:48.45 | knt | when i try to save a file as xpm in gimp (using debian unstable) gimp dumps "(xpm:11451): Gdk-WARNING **: shmget failed: error 38 (Function not implemented)" error in terminal. any ideas about how can i fix this? |
| 18:48.47 | blipp | ok ill try again, im runing debian sarge, custom kernel, i cannot probe bttv module, its located in /lib/modules/2.6.10/kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv.ko .anyone ? |
| 18:48.48 | thingfish | fc3 was the worst piece of ... |
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| 18:49.03 | ecko | before I open up a gnome terminal I have to do a mount /dev/pts or else it won't work... |
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| 18:49.05 | krenin | thingfish: i didn't think that fc3 was that bad, it just needs package |
| 18:49.08 | krenin | packages |
| 18:49.17 | _marcelo_ | caca |
| 18:49.18 | ecko | I don't fscking get it |
| 18:49.20 | thingfish | krenin: I hit a lot of bugs with fc3. |
| 18:49.23 | krenin | oh |
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| 18:49.28 | Besucher | greycat: i installed it cause i thougt it is like suse linux |
| 18:49.29 | greycat | ecko: put a line in /etc/fstab maybe |
| 18:49.35 | _marcelo_ | q |
| 18:49.35 | xogon | Besucher: or apt-get install kdebase |
| 18:49.47 | Besucher | kde that's what i want, i'll try |
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| 18:49.48 | greycat | ecko: although I'm not clear on why it's not automatically doing it |
| 18:49.54 | Besucher | back in a few minutes ;) |
| 18:49.54 | ecko | greycat: I haave one... |
| 18:50.01 | greycat | xogon: he *also* needs X. |
| 18:50.06 | greycat | kdebase will not drag in an X server |
| 18:50.07 | ecko | devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 |
| 18:50.12 | xogon | ah |
| 18:50.21 | ecko | greycat: that's the line correct? |
| 18:50.30 | xogon | then apt-get install x-window-system(-core) first |
| 18:50.52 | ecko | meh...woody :-P |
| 18:50.52 | fesh | hey! Can somebody spare me a minute? I have a Debian Sarge box where I installed Debian Woody via cdebootstrap, but it's refusing to boot |
| 18:50.55 | gahan_ | what gcc compiles kernel-image-2.4.27 for testing? is it gcc 2.95 or 3.3? |
| 18:50.55 | sess | if root owns a users .bashrc and is set to 400 will it still work? |
| 18:51.02 | greycat | gahan_: 3.3 |
| 18:51.05 | sess | I just don't want my users being able to modify a profile I set up |
| 18:51.11 | greycat | gahan: you can also cat /proc/version |
| 18:51.17 | gahan | aha |
| 18:51.19 | gahan | thx |
| 18:51.26 | Besucher | so back, apt-get install kdebase creates a error -.- |
| 18:51.26 | fesh | it complains about the filesystem, but it all seems to work just fine in read-only mode, and no errors are found with fsck when I boot to Sarge |
| 18:51.36 | greycat | sess: no, user must own it or be able to read it |
| 18:51.43 | fesh | any ideas? The box uses SATA disks, which is probably related |
| 18:51.45 | xogon | Besucher: apt-get install x-window-system first |
| 18:51.49 | Besucher | ah kay |
| 18:51.55 | greycat | sess: and if the user owns their own $HOME you CANNOT prevent them from fixing their .profile |
| 18:52.00 | blipp | hello ? |
| 18:52.30 | xogon | Besucher: also, apt-get install kde if you want EVERYTHING in kde, not just the base... |
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| 18:52.45 | delHorno | hi all |
| 18:52.53 | greycat | xogon: just wait until he says he wants 3D. |
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| 18:53.01 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 18:53.03 | thingfish | hi delHorno |
| 18:53.03 | paulswm | !nickometer delHorno |
| 18:53.04 | dpkg | 'delHorno' is 18.000% lame, paulswm |
| 18:53.10 | delHorno | i need a source to download mplayer through apt. could anyone help me? |
| 18:53.17 | stew | delHorno: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 18:53.17 | fesh | or, can somebody tell me how I can immediately boot to normal mode from the recovery console thingy? when I exit the shell, the computer reboots instead of continuing with the boot |
| 18:53.18 | greycat | delHorno: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 18:53.37 | delHorno | thx |
| 18:53.38 | greycat | fesh: telinit 2 |
| 18:53.42 | Besucher | i typed apt-get install x-window-system and what have i to do now? |
| 18:53.47 | xogon | greycat: i was looking at the kde theme site yesterday. 95% of the themes there are apalling IMO but many people get off on that |
| 18:53.51 | fesh | thanks, I'll try that right away! |
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| 18:54.15 | greycat | xogon: I was thinking more in terms of the support difficulty of *answering* such a question, not the lack of taste of the user :) |
| 18:54.24 | fesh | ah, need to mount read-write first... |
| 18:54.35 | greycat | Besucher: try starting X to make sure it actually works. |
| 18:54.43 | Besucher | <xogon> Besucher: also, apt-get install kde if you want EVERYTHING in kde, not just the base... <--won't work, it says "Broken packages" |
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| 18:54.47 | Besucher | how to start X? |
| 18:54.56 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 18:54.56 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:54.57 | xogon | greycat: actually, won't x-window-system set up dri? |
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| 18:55.08 | greycat | xogon: not if it needs non-free nvidia drivers |
| 18:55.34 | xogon | Besucher: try apt-get update first |
| 18:55.43 | blipp | where can i find out which directory modules are loaded from ? debian sarge.. |
| 18:55.53 | Besucher | kay xogon |
| 18:55.54 | greycat | blipp: /lib/modules/$(uname -r) ALWAYS. |
| 18:56.01 | xogon | greycat: true. i tend to forget what life is like out in bleeding-edge land |
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| 18:56.39 | fesh | greycat - thanks, at least I get a normal shell now, though it's a bit unusual. I'll see if I can manage from here... just need to set up some software and then I don't have to boot to Woody ever again, hopefully |
| 18:57.08 | Besucher | apt-get update: Nothing new... |
| 18:57.27 | pepsi_ | hi! Im headding over to deb from gentoo. what release do you reccomend me to install? |
| 18:57.35 | greycat | pepsi_: sarge |
| 18:57.55 | dvs | pepsi_: /msg dpkg sarge |
| 18:57.56 | pepsi_ | greycat: where can I read about these different realeases? |
| 18:57.59 | greycat | !history |
| 18:58.00 | dpkg | somebody said history was old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/, or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 18:58.15 | green_earz | Besucher: have you started up xserver yet with startx |
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| 18:58.28 | greycat | dpkg, history =~ s#/,#/# |
| 18:58.28 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 18:58.53 | Besucher | green_earz, how to do? I'm new in using Debian, i don't know anything ^^ |
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| 18:59.13 | greycat | Besucher: he just said how. |
| 18:59.25 | xogon | Besucher: maybe you should read /topic and check out the FAQ |
| 18:59.36 | green_earz | Besucher: just type startx at the command line |
| 18:59.37 | Besucher | when u say ;) |
| 18:59.41 | jeaneid | I am creating a dummy user account that everyone has the passwd for. Is there a way for su not to ask for the password |
| 18:59.42 | greycat | I don't think our FAQ goes down all the way to *that* level of ignorance. |
| 18:59.42 | Besucher | okay i'll try |
| 18:59.55 | dvs | and it probably won't work. |
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| 19:00.01 | greycat | We assume some basic Unix concepts are already present.... |
| 19:00.03 | Besucher | greycat i'm not that mighty with english language ;) |
| 19:00.23 | Lee__ | jeaneid, look into sudo. |
| 19:00.25 | asg | Besucher: we haven't internationalized the FAQ either |
| 19:00.41 | greycat | nor are we likely to. |
| 19:00.43 | d22 | could someone explain what has to do compiling in ACPI support into kernel with not showing 4 processors in top on my xeon machine?? |
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| 19:00.56 | paulswm | Besucher: you're doing OK, we'll all look back on this and laugh |
| 19:01.06 | greycat | we've certainly had worse. |
| 19:01.24 | xogon | there are some good sites with german debian documentation... |
| 19:02.07 | Besucher | paulswm: hehe ;) |
| 19:02.42 | Besucher | now i typed startx in command line, but in the end i only get an error msg :/ |
| 19:03.06 | jeaneid | Lee_: I though sudo is only for 5 mins. I have a 1 user license that I need everyone to issue the command using that single dummy user |
| 19:03.07 | Radiance | any one had problems using grsec + X ? (somehow it keeps complaining about gdm despite CAP_SYS_ADMIN was set to it) |
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| 19:03.11 | greycat | Besucher: this would be a good time to read our FAQ. |
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| 19:03.17 | pepsi_ | greycat: I just experienced a major system crash. Am I taking any risks using sarge rather than, say, woody? |
| 19:03.27 | greycat | pepsi_: in theory, maybe. |
| 19:03.40 | Besucher | greycat i'm reading the faq! but i don't get anyting out |
| 19:03.43 | greycat | pepsi_: nothing as risky as running Gentoo, though. *shudder*. |
| 19:04.06 | pepsi_ | greycat: ok.. thx. thats what I wanted to hear =) |
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| 19:04.11 | greycat | Besucher: the very first page of the FAQ tells you how to read error messages. I should know; I wrote it. |
| 19:04.25 | Besucher | okay, i'll look ;) |
| 19:05.04 | Besucher | 2. Basic Troubleshooting <--u mean? |
| 19:05.22 | Besucher | shall i read that topic? |
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| 19:05.52 | blipp | right, anyone with good bttv knowledge ? |
| 19:06.00 | yalu | Hi, xsane can only use my scanner if I run it as root. a permission problem probably, which device files should I check? |
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| 19:06.34 | Besucher | 2.1. Reading error messages <--my error is not listed |
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| 19:06.50 | encipher | hi. what do i need to install to get vnc to work |
| 19:06.56 | encipher | i get this message wen i try to start it |
| 19:06.58 | encipher | Fatal server error: |
| 19:06.58 | encipher | could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 19:07.12 | coreyo | exit |
| 19:07.17 | Bedad | hey guys, i was wondering, how do i get mplayer to work under another user? |
| 19:07.18 | Besucher | ah found something to X-Errors :) |
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| 19:07.23 | greycat | encipher: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 19:07.29 | Bedad | it works fine under root, but not under the other user |
| 19:07.36 | Ogo | /me SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRRSPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRRRR SPAMMMMMMMMz0oOORRRR |
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| 19:07.42 | asg | moron |
| 19:07.46 | shazzy | how do u install downloaded .deb files? |
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| 19:07.52 | greycat | !FAQ shazzy |
| 19:07.53 | caphuso | shazzy: dpkg -i |
| 19:07.55 | dpkg | shazzy: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:07.58 | Daffy-PKF | could someone explain me why i can't use any char accessed by "shift" and "alt-gr" under x-window |
| 19:08.02 | Bedad | shazzy man dpkg |
| 19:08.02 | encipher | greycat ? |
| 19:08.11 | asg | encipher: type it in your irc client |
| 19:08.14 | encipher | i did |
| 19:08.16 | asg | encipher: our bot will give you useful info |
| 19:08.16 | shazzy | tnx |
| 19:08.18 | drac | holy shit. |
| 19:08.21 | encipher | nothing =\ |
| 19:08.22 | Bedad | anyone in here actually use mplayer? |
| 19:08.23 | asg | !tell encipher about fixed |
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| 19:08.29 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 19:08.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:08.30 | asg | ffs |
| 19:08.38 | asg | ~fixed |
| 19:08.39 | apt | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix |
| 19:08.39 | greycat | !tell Bedad about errors |
| 19:08.48 | green_earz | Besucher: when you install x-window-system-core do you answer some questions at the end of its install ? |
| 19:08.49 | encipher | ko thanks |
| 19:08.57 | Bedad | erm i have already said |
| 19:09.02 | veleno | linuxfreck: could you please repeat that command ? i lost it ! |
| 19:09.05 | gmaniac | blipp: did you run update-modules after installation of the new module? |
| 19:09.09 | nvz | I guess OOo doesn't have grammar check :/ |
| 19:09.14 | greycat | 14:07 Bedad> hey guys, i was wondering, how do i get mplayer to work under |
| 19:09.14 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.14 | greycat | 14:07 Bedad> it works fine under root, but not under the other user |
| 19:09.16 | Bedad | but i shall repeat anyways in case you missed: i was wondering how i would enable mplayer to work as another user other than root |
| 19:09.21 | Bedad | i dont get an error |
| 19:09.22 | greycat | There is no useful error message in that question. |
| 19:09.27 | Bedad | it just hangs |
| 19:09.35 | Bedad | no errors in the message log either |
| 19:09.39 | linuxfreck | veleno: mount /your/mount/point -oremount,dev,suid,exec,rw; this is not tested though |
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| 19:09.40 | greycat | then ask #mplayer |
| 19:09.46 | Bedad | cool then i shall |
| 19:09.49 | schizoschaf | olla |
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| 19:09.57 | jello | Bedad: check your .xsession-errors |
| 19:10.07 | Bedad | jello, thanks |
| 19:10.14 | greycat | jello: what, like the FAQ says??!?!??!?!!! OMGLOLKTHX ;-) |
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| 19:10.21 | greycat | !FAQ Bedad |
| 19:10.24 | dpkg | Bedad: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:10.51 | Besucher | <green_earz> Besucher: when you install x-window-system-core do you answer some questions at the end of its install ? <--yes i do |
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| 19:11.02 | nvz | I guess I can't half step I am actually going to have to learn proper grammar. |
| 19:11.04 | Besucher | i had done is better ;) |
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| 19:11.12 | jello | greycat: what, he should read the /topic and then follow the link from there to the FAQ>!?! |
| 19:11.16 | nvz | like how to use a comma *sigh* |
| 19:11.25 | jello | greycat: methinks you ask too much... :-/ |
| 19:11.28 | greycat | jello: radical concept, isn't it? |
| 19:12.09 | xogon | okay i've spent enough hours looking at random webcams. time to start working... |
| 19:12.13 | veleno | linuxfreck: it worked. |
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| 19:12.23 | linuxfreck | great :) |
| 19:12.27 | Besucher | :( the motivation is leaving me |
| 19:12.41 | Besucher | i'm going to install another distribution, what i don't want |
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| 19:12.51 | Bedad | hmm there's no errors in there, it outputs the whole parameters to the .xsession-errors as if it was launched form the terminal window |
| 19:12.58 | greycat | who wants to bet Besucher installed woody and his card isn't supported in xfree86 4.1.0? |
| 19:13.01 | Besucher | i want a distribution with a GUI, can somebody say me a good? |
| 19:13.05 | xogon | Besucher: if you want help ask for specific help and provide details |
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| 19:13.12 | greycat | of course, if he'd fucking SAY SOMETHING USEFUL, we might not have to play guessing games. |
| 19:13.15 | greycat | But NOOOOOOOOO.... |
| 19:13.16 | caphuso | Besucher: suse |
| 19:13.29 | greycat | It's too HARD to say "I install woody and I have nvidia geforce4 and X says no screens found" |
| 19:13.30 | Capkirk | problem: just upgraded my workstion which is running debian unstable somehow i lost all my settings in menu its like the windowmanager (wmaker) dosnt read GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/menu anymore? |
| 19:13.30 | alus | if I want to get mesa working on a video card that certainly does not support gl, do I want the mesag3 package or the xlibmesa-gl et al. packages? |
| 19:13.30 | gmaniac | greycat: me, me... |
| 19:13.31 | Besucher | okay greycat i'll try ;) |
| 19:13.36 | alus | if I want to get mesa working on a video card that certainly does not support gl, do I want the mesag3 package or the xlibmesa-gl et al. packages? |
| 19:13.42 | alus | oops, sorry |
| 19:13.46 | xogon | Besucher: if you're too lazy to read documentation, read errors carefully, think and experiment than noone can help you |
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| 19:14.37 | Besucher | i installed woody, i have got a amd processor, a nvidia geforce 4 and X says no Screens found ;) |
| 19:14.37 | directhex | greycat, but geforce 4 is, like, 2 years old! it MUST work! |
| 19:14.51 | paulswm | geez |
| 19:14.53 | xogon | what's a geforce? |
| 19:14.56 | Capkirk | anyone experinced the same problem? |
| 19:14.57 | greycat | !geforce4 |
| 19:14.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, geforce4 is Unfortunately, GeForce4 cards are not supported by XFree86 4.1, which is in woody. You can either get X4.2 (/msg dpkg x4.2 woody backport), or get the non-Free nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia) or use the 'vesa' driver. or upgrade to testing |
| 19:14.59 | Besucher | geforce 4 mx |
| 19:15.10 | greycat | upgrade to sarge. |
| 19:15.19 | Besucher | whats sarge? |
| 19:15.26 | resiak | !tell Besucher about sarge |
| 19:15.35 | greycat | I'm sure that one's in the FAQ... |
| 19:15.37 | greycat | somewhere... |
| 19:15.46 | Besucher | i'll look for it |
| 19:15.50 | xogon | i was being facetious. my lil' ol' laptop graphic chipset does glxgears at 150 fps... |
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| 19:16.18 | reppal | is it possible to install debian in several machines together? |
| 19:16.19 | DatGal | I used Nessus security scanner on my PC, and had many warnings. More specifically SSH 3.4.x should be 3.7.x. Currently running Debain stable (woody), does but see no update when deselect. Why? |
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| 19:16.23 | alus | no one has any recommendations on mesa setup? |
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| 19:16.32 | reppal | s/together/at the same time |
| 19:16.42 | directhex | DatGal, nessus assumes vanilla sources, debian has security backports |
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| 19:16.47 | rsff | neenee, Found out what happened. It seems I was missing a couple packages in the update, and that's why gnome was not working. |
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| 19:16.58 | rsff | neenee, all back to normal now. |
| 19:17.06 | BlackJudas | Is it a function of the mail client or the imap server to handle folder creation? ie, I know the server allocates how the folders are created, but is it Thunderbird screwing up and not allowing me to create sub-directories under other directories? Or should I investigate the dovecot server? |
| 19:17.18 | resiak | reppal: Erm, make (say) four CDs? |
| 19:17.23 | neenee | rsff: ah :) |
| 19:17.26 | neenee | rsff: good to hear :) |
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| 19:17.55 | greycat | dpkg, psychic greycat is <reply> <greycat> But NOOOOOOOOO.... <greycat> It's too HARD to say "I install woody and I have nvidia geforce4 and X says no screens found" <Besucher> i installed woody, i have got a amd processor, a nvidia geforce 4 and X says no Screens found ;) <Besucher> geforce 4 mx |
| 19:17.56 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 19:18.05 | resiak | reppal: Oh, but you mean without downloading everything n times? |
| 19:18.06 | reppal | resiak: i have 5 identical computers and i would install them at the same time like with redhat's kickstart |
| 19:18.15 | jsm | i'm in desperate need of some documentation on moving sarge from 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel.. i did the apt-get install kernel-img-2.6-blahblah and it worked.. but now the machine boots and doesn't load my network driver (e1000). did i miss a step? |
| 19:18.22 | Besucher | ah sarge is the testing rls |
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| 19:18.39 | paulswm | Besucher: yes, but stable enough for normal desktop use |
| 19:18.52 | resiak | reppal: I have no idea what that does. Do you have an existing box that you could use as a caching proxy? |
| 19:18.56 | Besucher | ok then i'll load it |
| 19:18.58 | directhex | well geforce 4 mx is geforce 2 under the hood, so you could probably get it to work in some basic form on X 4.1 with only minimal source hacks |
| 19:19.28 | reppal | resiak, that's not the point, i want to automatically install four identical pcs |
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| 19:19.50 | directhex | !tell reppal about fai |
| 19:19.53 | dark_light | the php5 isn't on debian? i need to use some functions of php5 :[ |
| 19:20.41 | resiak | !tell dark_light about php5 |
| 19:20.58 | resiak | directhex: You are sage. |
| 19:21.18 | greycat | ooh, ooh, can I be thyme? |
| 19:21.25 | Besucher | i see it will be a long night *gg+ |
| 19:21.39 | paulswm | Besucher: but well worth your trouble |
| 19:21.41 | resiak | greycat: Yes. |
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| 19:21.46 | greycat | \o/ |
| 19:21.48 | resiak | I am celery. |
| 19:22.23 | resiak | asg: You can be basil. |
| 19:22.32 | asg | resiak: basil brush? |
| 19:22.37 | asg | greycat: hehe |
| 19:22.42 | paulswm | asg: basil fawlty |
| 19:22.44 | Besucher | sarge1 up to sarge12.torrent is possible, witch file is the right? sarge1? |
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| 19:22.50 | sussudio | meh? |
| 19:22.58 | directhex | Besucher, you only need one CD. |
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| 19:22.58 | Besucher | okay |
| 19:23.05 | greycat | sussudio: we're the spice boyes. |
| 19:23.07 | greycat | boys* |
| 19:23.09 | Besucher | what to do when i have it, burn and then? |
| 19:23.14 | sussudio | :-| |
| 19:23.15 | alus | woo! got mesa working |
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| 19:23.17 | asg | greycat: better with the 'e' left on |
| 19:23.37 | resiak | !tell Besucher about d-i |
| 19:23.43 | sussudio | rosemary's a herb, not a spice |
| 19:23.52 | resiak | Basil the rat. |
| 19:23.53 | paulswm | and celery's a vegetable |
| 19:23.55 | asg | sussudio: poetic license |
| 19:23.57 | directhex | Besucher, boot it. or you could do an upgrade on your existing system, but since you're still just starting off, i think d-i is a better bet |
| 19:24.07 | paulswm | resiak: Siberian hamster |
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| 19:24.17 | resiak | paulswm: :D |
| 19:24.26 | Besucher | i'll try ^^ |
| 19:24.28 | directhex | is no rat! |
| 19:24.51 | resiak | "Basil the rat" - "tattoui". |
| 19:25.04 | Besucher | i hope it will work tomorror :/ |
| 19:25.11 | d0t | CD Cataloging applications - cdcat/gtktalog - any other good ones? |
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| 19:25.15 | jsm | Can i have a 2.6 and 2.4 kernel on the same machine and boot back and forth between them? |
| 19:25.22 | dvs | Besucher: why tomorrow? |
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| 19:25.27 | roldyx27 | hi |
| 19:25.30 | greycat | jsm: yes |
| 19:25.34 | Besucher | <dvs> Besucher: why tomorrow? <--why not? |
| 19:25.37 | directhex | jsm, yes. |
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| 19:25.52 | Besucher | do you think it will work earlyer? |
| 19:25.53 | dvs | Besucher: It's not going to take a day to install. |
| 19:25.54 | jsm | greycat directhex: module-init-tools does not overwrite modutils? |
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| 19:26.02 | greycat | jsm: no, it does ont. |
| 19:26.08 | greycat | damn, I can't type today... |
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| 19:26.21 | FieldySnuts | !confuse greycat |
| 19:26.30 | Besucher | dvs i have to go to bed in a few minutes ^^, i have to go to school early in the morning ;) |
| 19:26.39 | greycat | oh, I'm not confused; I just can't type :/ |
| 19:26.41 | dvs | Besucher: oh. okay. |
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| 19:26.50 | jsm | greycat: is there any other steps i have to do other than apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp ? |
| 19:26.51 | paulswm | greycat: actually, I've noticed that you type better when you're pissed off, prolly leaning forward and hitting the keys harder |
| 19:26.53 | GT420 | can somebody tell me the easiest way to stop debian from loading the onboard video on startup? |
| 19:27.02 | rsff | Guys. My keyboard is FINALLY working. All the keys are in the right place. However, whenever I go in gnome, it gives me this funny message about XKB having errors at X startup. How do I disable or solve this message? |
| 19:27.22 | greycat | paulswm: no, actually I make even more typos then; but I'm more likely to go back and fix them if they're in all caps and therefore likely to be repeated later. |
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| 19:27.29 | paulswm | heh |
| 19:27.40 | Besucher | one hour and i have the sarge cd1 :) |
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| 19:27.49 | obtix | what is this: rpc.statd 366 root 6u IPv4 1210 TCP *:972 (LISTEN) and why is it running? |
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| 19:27.53 | roldyx27 | Besucher xd |
| 19:27.54 | Besucher | fast speed :D |
| 19:28.00 | greycat | jsm: prayer? animal sacrifice? psychiatric evaluation? last will & testament? |
| 19:28.11 | kirbymeister | Besucher: better just write off the install floppies |
| 19:28.11 | Besucher | 125 kb/s per second, nice seeders :) |
| 19:28.14 | greycat | obtix: that would be rpc.statd. |
| 19:28.22 | kirbymeister | Besucher: unless you cant net-install |
| 19:28.36 | greycat | and you know the funny thing about rpc.statd? it has, like, its very own man page! |
| 19:28.41 | obtix | greycat: yeah, i assumed that... what is its purpose for running? can i kill it? |
| 19:28.44 | paulswm | Besucher: 5Mbit here, heh |
| 19:28.48 | resiak | greycat++ |
| 19:29.04 | Besucher | i don't know if net-install work -.- so better i make a secure cd-install |
| 19:29.11 | resiak | Besucher: Erm, net-inst works. |
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| 19:29.21 | jsm | greycat: i ask because for some strange reason after rebooting it no longer loaded my e1000 module.. and modprobe e1000 didn't do anything either |
| 19:29.23 | greycat | resiak: no harm in having more packages on his CD, though. |
| 19:29.29 | resiak | greycat: That's very true. |
| 19:29.38 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know how to change the indentation level of an entry in an openoffice writer outline? |
| 19:29.46 | greycat | jsm: *shrug* |
| 19:29.46 | Besucher | i'll download the sarge release complete |
| 19:29.52 | Besucher | i've got enought time ^^ |
| 19:29.55 | greycat | Besucher: just ISO #1 should be enough |
| 19:30.04 | Besucher | yes |
| 19:30.20 | Besucher | i only load this one |
| 19:30.27 | greycat | if you download all fifteen(?) ISO images, we will have to yell at you. |
| 19:30.36 | Besucher | no that are to much |
| 19:30.51 | kirbymeister | greycat: are you BTing the ISO images? |
| 19:30.56 | greycat | kirbymeister: no |
| 19:31.02 | kirbymeister | greycat: aah |
| 19:31.11 | greycat | but if you wish to seed them, please feel free. |
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| 19:31.24 | paulswm | wow potato + sources was just 3 cds I think |
| 19:31.26 | kirbymeister | greycat: no, I need to know if they are offering the ISOs over BT |
| 19:31.34 | greycat | kirbymeister: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 19:31.35 | GT420 | can someone please recommend a good configuration tool for networking |
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| 19:31.47 | greycat | GT420: vi |
| 19:31.57 | paulswm | heh |
| 19:32.03 | GT420 | yeah i did about as much with vi as i care to do |
| 19:32.08 | Lee__ | GT420: bash |
| 19:32.22 | d0t | Recommendations for CD Cataloging applications - cdcat/gtktalog - any other good ones? |
| 19:32.23 | greycat | and a good man page... oh wait, can't do that. a good FAQ, then. |
| 19:32.27 | Lee__ | ifconfig + route + vi |
| 19:32.28 | GT420 | I am setting up ip forwarding |
| 19:32.48 | DatGal | directhex meaning it may not apply to debian packages, right? |
| 19:32.48 | greycat | GT420: lots of "up iptables ...." lines in interfaces(5) |
| 19:32.56 | GT420 | yeah |
| 19:33.07 | Lee__ | GT420: that's in /proc and sysctl.conf |
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| 19:33.08 | GT420 | I think i got it all working |
| 19:33.12 | directhex | DatGal, ? |
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| 19:33.20 | kirbymeister | I recently had to reinstall my sarge, and installed using the floppy images. I like your new installer. |
| 19:33.24 | GT420 | that might be what I am looking for |
| 19:33.24 | DatGal | directhex in reference to security backports. |
| 19:33.41 | GT420 | I have everything going but the windows box just wont work |
| 19:33.44 | DatGal | [14:16] <directhex> DatGal, nessus assumes vanilla sources, debian has security backports |
| 19:33.48 | obtix | greycat: ok, i figured out what it is... i cant figure out how to perm. stop the damn thing |
| 19:33.54 | directhex | DatGal, yes, that's about right. |
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| 19:34.49 | DatGal | directhex can you define security backport for me? :| |
| 19:34.57 | Creap | how do I prevent gnome, xdm or whatever that login screen is called, from starting when i boot my computer? |
| 19:34.58 | greycat | obtix: why do you want to remove it? |
| 19:34.58 | taw | why does nvidia-glx (x drivers) depend on debian-packaged linux kernel ? |
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| 19:35.15 | greycat | pingouiin: #irssi |
| 19:35.17 | taw | do i have to recompile x now just to use custom kernel ? |
| 19:35.22 | directhex | taw, no. |
| 19:35.29 | greycat | taw: of course not. maybe a driver, though. |
| 19:35.30 | obtix | greycat: because i really don't think i need it... its not on any of my other system and i want to close off that port its opened |
| 19:35.44 | greycat | obtix: then WHY DID YOU INSTALL NFS, if you don't NEED NFS? |
| 19:35.50 | directhex | taw, the nvidia-kernel-common package contains the source to cxompile nvidia.(k)o for any kernel |
| 19:35.59 | obtix | greycat: haha, good question! :-\ |
| 19:36.01 | directhex | *nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:36.19 | directhex | taw, the module-assistant package automates the process. |
| 19:36.22 | taw | directhex: that's true, but nvidia-glx contains x driver |
| 19:36.30 | Lee__ | I just did the nvidia thing yesterday. There's a web page with 10 steps |
| 19:36.36 | greycat | obtix: so remove it and be happy. |
| 19:36.37 | taw | directhex: it has very little to do with the kernel, but depends on it |
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| 19:36.39 | greycat | what's the hard part> |
| 19:36.47 | taw | directhex: it wasn't the case in the past |
| 19:36.56 | Lee__ | http://saraf.web.cse.unsw.edu.au/nvidia-driver-howto.html |
| 19:37.55 | directhex | taw, i don't quite see what your problem is. nvidia-glx requires a kernel driver. this is the same even if you use nvidia-installer. debian 2.6 kernels don't even HAVE matching kernel drivers available, you HAVE to build your own. using whatever the hell kernel source you like. |
| 19:38.02 | Lee__ | speaking of nvidia, if I told X to use the kernel's framebuffer driver druing debconf's questions and now I want to undo that, where might that configuration be? |
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| 19:38.30 | fatal__ | Lee__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:38.40 | Lee__ | sweet, thanks. |
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| 19:39.17 | `Rage | anyone know what might cause a debian box running kernel 2.6.9 to drop all connections every 5-10 mins? |
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| 19:40.01 | taw | directhex: my problem is - i have a custom kernel, no debian package for it, and i want to install nvidia X driver (which has nothing to do with the kernel) |
| 19:40.12 | greycat | `Rage: what evidence do you have that they're being dropped? and if so, that it's being done on the Debian side? |
| 19:40.18 | taw | directhex: but debian package for nvidia-glx requires debian-packaged kernel |
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| 19:40.47 | greycat | taw: your question contains an erroneous assumption |
| 19:40.50 | resiak | taw: No, it just requires one built the Debian way. |
| 19:41.04 | directhex | resiak, not even that, technically |
| 19:41.05 | `Rage | greycat, I have 3 debian boxes, and this one, every 5-10 loses connections to sshd, bnc, ircd, and won't take any httpd/ftp/any net requests for about 60s |
| 19:41.06 | resiak | directhex: No? |
| 19:41.16 | `Rage | the other 2 debian boxes however, are ok |
| 19:41.33 | greycat | `Rage: anything in dmesg? duplex mismatch? tried a different kernel? different NIC? |
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| 19:41.45 | sean_micken | do the kernel-image packages modify /etc/motd? or what does? |
| 19:41.49 | directhex | it DOES depend on having an nvidia-kernel package, which provides nvidia-kernel-£nvidiadriverversionnumber |
| 19:41.57 | greycat | sean_micken: maybe the post-install script |
| 19:42.03 | directhex | these can be generated using module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:42.09 | `Rage | nah, nothing in dmesg, i did try a diffferent NIC, and i'm installing a new kernel as we speak |
| 19:42.11 | taw | apt-get install nvidia-glx ... The following extra packages will be installed: nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386 (nvidia-glx version 4496 did fine without debian kernel) |
| 19:42.14 | `Rage | + |
| 19:42.14 | `Rage | 0 |
| 19:42.24 | `Rage | sorry, dropped keyboard |
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| 19:42.24 | greycat | sean_micken: no, that's wrong. It's /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 19:42.33 | directhex | taw, nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386 IS NOT A MOTHERFUCKING DEBIAN KERNEL. ARE YOU BLIND OR JUST STUPID? |
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| 19:42.45 | greycat | sean_micken: grep -r motd /etc # is very informative |
| 19:42.47 | resiak | `Rage: Where were you carrying it? |
| 19:43.03 | FieldySnuts | @clue taw |
| 19:43.05 | dvs | directhex: careful, we dont want another web article |
| 19:43.19 | sean_micken | greycat: k, thanks. |
| 19:43.19 | dvs | ;-) |
| 19:43.19 | `Rage | lol resiak i don't usually plug keyboards into the servers ;] no place to rest it ;] |
| 19:43.22 | directhex | dvs, if people can't read basic english, i can't see how they'd write an article |
| 19:43.33 | dvs | directhex: good point. |
| 19:43.40 | resiak | `Rage: Ah. |
| 19:43.45 | greycat | directhex: and yet... it happens all the time :( |
| 19:44.06 | FieldySnuts | abcnews.com has a lot of them |
| 19:44.09 | directhex | greycat, one of these days i'll shake this damnable annoying faith in humanity |
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| 19:44.22 | directhex | right. i'll try again. |
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| 19:44.43 | FieldySnuts | owned |
| 19:44.46 | xogon | why would an nfs server on my local net be cutting in and out all the time? there's almost no traffic |
| 19:44.56 | greycat | xogon: logs, dmesg... |
| 19:45.06 | pirx | where do i set the gateway in debian, so i dont have to run 'route add default gw ...' all the time when i boot? |
| 19:45.10 | greycat | !FAQ pirx |
| 19:45.11 | dpkg | pirx: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:45.20 | pirx | thanks |
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| 19:46.52 | GlitchMaster | Hey... |
| 19:47.03 | directhex | taw, the nvidia-glx driver cannot and will not operate without an nvidia kernel driver, to provide it low-level access. nvidia.o on 2.4, nvidia.ko on 2.6. the driver needs to be compiled against your exact kernel. as a result, nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-$driverversion. nvidia-kernel-$driverversion is provided by (for example) nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-k7-smp which contains an nvidia.o compiled against the debian kernel-image-2.4.27-1-k7-smp. a |
| 19:47.04 | directhex | lternatively, you can use the provided tools (module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-source) to generate your own package with the correct depends, satisfying the nvidia-glx dependancy |
| 19:47.18 | GlitchMaster | Wow... starting out with Debian is a real hassle. I hope I actually get it configured right... :\ |
| 19:47.19 | GlitchMaster | Anyway... |
| 19:47.21 | directhex | that was civil, and in suitably n00bish language, right? |
| 19:47.50 | dvs | GlitchMaster: but once it's set up, it stays that way. |
| 19:47.53 | greycat | directhex: compiled against kernel-headers-* not against kernel-image-* |
| 19:47.58 | GlitchMaster | Problem: When X or GNOME (whichever does it) tries to go into standby/sleep mode, it locks up. |
| 19:48.20 | GlitchMaster | No response from keyboard, mouse, or power button. I'm forced to reset. |
| 19:48.27 | directhex | greycat, yeah, whatever. of course, half the time, those don't quite match up right, hence someone with issues earlier today |
| 19:48.53 | taw | ok |
| 19:49.01 | directhex | 2.6 forces you to use m-a, so it doesn't fuss me. m-a a-i nvidia is shorter to type anyway |
| 19:49.03 | greycat | Linux... *cough*shit*cough* |
| 19:49.18 | GlitchMaster | Why is greycat in this room? |
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| 19:49.41 | asg | GlitchMaster: because greycat is one of the most helpful people on #debian |
| 19:49.46 | GlitchMaster | Strange... |
| 19:49.50 | asg | GlitchMaster: don't be myopic |
| 19:49.53 | GlitchMaster | I thought he just called Linux ship... :P |
| 19:49.54 | dvs | GlitchMaster: and he's an op |
| 19:49.58 | GlitchMaster | shit* |
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| 19:50.01 | GlitchMaster | I was just curious. |
| 19:50.08 | greycat | Linux has many, many flaws. |
| 19:50.10 | GlitchMaster | I figured... also, I should have read the previous line. |
| 19:50.20 | GlitchMaster | And yet you stand by it, grey? :P |
| 19:50.24 | greycat | lack of a stable API within a kernel series that's labeled "stable", for example. |
| 19:50.25 | pw | All operating systems are cack, except the ones you like, and even they're a bit cack. |
| 19:50.34 | directhex | the ever-shifting hardware abi is a pretty horrid flaw, but these days they break it for fun to punish nvidia users |
| 19:50.41 | GlitchMaster | And hey, it's better than Windows. :P |
| 19:50.51 | dvs | greycat: then finish off Hurd. |
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| 19:50.56 | GlitchMaster | Anyhoo... |
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| 19:51.04 | paulswm | GlitchMaster: being poked in the eye is better than Windows |
| 19:51.05 | directhex | of course, punishing fglrx users is never on the agenda... but that's rather self-breaking... |
| 19:51.08 | FieldySnuts | @hurdsmite dvs |
| 19:51.10 | greycat | dvs: if I were going to abandon Linux entirely, it would be for BSD. |
| 19:51.10 | GlitchMaster | Suggestions regarding this problem? |
| 19:51.40 | greycat | GlitchMaster: what video card, what kernel? |
| 19:51.41 | green_earz | directhex: differnet users different needs nvidia |
| 19:51.44 | dvs | GlitchMaster: What is your computer? |
| 19:52.02 | cheale1 | directhex: you're not forced to use m-a with 2.6, check the second method on home.comcast.net |
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| 19:52.30 | GlitchMaster | Radeon 7500 (oh... they have issues with Linux, don't they?), and kernel 2.6.8. |
| 19:52.40 | Besucher | 1h left.... |
| 19:52.40 | greycat | it might be better if you *were* forced to, though, because at least then there would be one consistent method |
| 19:52.48 | directhex | chealer, i meant as opposed to apt-getting. doing it by hand when there's a tool to do it for you faster seems silly to me |
| 19:52.53 | dvs | GlitchMaster: not the 7500. Anything later than 9200 does. |
| 19:53.00 | GlitchMaster | Oh. |
| 19:53.01 | directhex | greycat, agreed. and more reliable given the usual nvidia-kernel-* packages |
| 19:53.11 | GlitchMaster | Isn't the 9500 a remake of the 7500, though? |
| 19:53.13 | greycat | GlitchMaster: using the "ati" driver, or the "fglrx" driver? |
| 19:53.14 | chealer | directhex: yeah, I'd agree if m-a would work here |
| 19:53.16 | directhex | GlitchMaster, no. |
| 19:53.25 | GlitchMaster | I'm using the "ati" driver, I believe. |
| 19:53.26 | directhex | greycat, fglrx requires 8500 |
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| 19:53.47 | GlitchMaster | Specifically the "Radeon" generic driver. |
| 19:53.55 | greycat | then it seems you've found a bug in XFree86. |
| 19:54.01 | GlitchMaster | Erf. |
| 19:54.06 | GlitchMaster | I've found several of those. :P |
| 19:54.08 | dvs | GlitchMaster: that's ok |
| 19:54.16 | greycat | or you have faulty hardware |
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| 19:54.28 | GlitchMaster | I really need to replace this damned ASUS board. >.< |
| 19:54.39 | GlitchMaster | How much do you think it'd sell for used? |
| 19:54.41 | dvs | GlitchMaster: the last thing that locked up my kernel was the USB2 driver and my BIOS |
| 19:55.02 | dvs | GlitchMaster: which ASUS board do you have? |
| 19:55.03 | directhex | 7x00 series has directx7 type features, 8x00 (rebadged as 9000-9200) have directx8 type features, 9500+ have directx9 type features. each are a fairly drastic change in hardware design. and no, i don't knw which versions of opengl those match up to. |
| 19:55.33 | GlitchMaster | Erf... I hate it when I can't remember the model.. >.< |
| 19:55.34 | greycat | which directhex version does it line up with? :) |
| 19:55.41 | GlitchMaster | That should be in the label, which can be seen via a command, right? |
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| 19:55.56 | directhex | GlitchMaster, dmidecode, if you're lucky |
| 19:55.58 | StyXman | hi all |
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| 19:56.14 | GlitchMaster | No such command. :P |
| 19:56.15 | StyXman | I have one of those multimedia/internet keyboards |
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| 19:56.36 | StyXman | until yesterday I was using those keys without problem under X |
| 19:56.37 | directhex | StyXman, those are so last year. al the cool kids have a keyboard with a Tux key |
| 19:56.47 | Besucher | 1h left and i have got sarge :D |
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| 19:56.54 | Bramme | how many cd's of sarge do i need for a installation with basic kernel source and developper tools? ( gcc, make, ... ) |
| 19:56.56 | StyXman | I was using kernel 2.4 |
| 19:57.01 | greycat | !worked in 2.4 |
| 19:57.02 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
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| 19:57.06 | StyXman | directhex: heh, how much? |
| 19:57.16 | directhex | StyXman, about £20 |
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| 19:57.25 | greycat | Bramme: zero |
| 19:57.28 | pirx | !FAQ |
| 19:57.28 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:57.29 | resiak | Bramme: Just the d-i CD if you're doing a netinst. |
| 19:57.34 | GlitchMaster | Why is it that some things seem to function in 2.4 but not 2.6, though? |
| 19:57.42 | StyXman | greycat: ok, gimme you bank account, I'll make sure some money reachs your pockeyt |
| 19:57.47 | greycat | because 2.6 is radically differen6t |
| 19:57.52 | GlitchMaster | Heh. |
| 19:58.02 | Bramme | resiak : no internet connection while installing, need to compile wireless drivers (acx100) |
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| 19:58.16 | StyXman | greycat: strange is how *some* of the keys still work |
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| 19:58.35 | greycat | resiak: you could symlink it to /dev/urandom |
| 19:58.37 | directhex | StyXman, this is USB, i take it? |
| 19:58.37 | resiak | Bramme: Oh. I have no idea, then, I'm afraid. But I imagine that they're on CD1, given that the CD order is based on popularity. |
| 19:58.42 | resiak | greycat: Have you seen what it does? |
| 19:58.52 | greycat | resiak: uh... no |
| 19:58.53 | StyXman | directhex: no, normal keybd |
| 19:59.13 | resiak | greycat: I know the guy who ported it to OS X, and I don't want to be left behind :) |
| 19:59.22 | greycat | !listkeys bollock |
| 19:59.23 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'bollock' by key (1 shown): bollocks. |
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| 19:59.33 | directhex | i think it's fair to say USB is normal, given that it's been mainstream since about 7 years ago |
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| 19:59.35 | ricky_clarkson | dpkg: you only have one bollock |
| 19:59.35 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:59.42 | resiak | greycat: http://www.fatsquirrel.org/veghead/software/bollocks/ |
| 19:59.44 | directhex | http://www.cherry.de/deutsch/cymotion-line/cymotion_master-linux.htm |
| 19:59.47 | green_earz | Bramme: the first three cds should ok |
| 19:59.51 | GlitchMaster | So, should I give the "ATI" driver a shot, rather than the radeon (which might be more suited for newer radeons above 9200)? Perhaps I should just disable sleep? I can't leave the machine going without it locking up. |
| 19:59.58 | GlitchMaster | Let me check that ASUS board info. |
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| 20:00.15 | greycat | resiak: ok... but why is it in *kernel* space? |
| 20:00.15 | dvs | GlitchMaster: the ati driver will load the radeon driver. |
| 20:00.15 | directhex | GlitchMaster, ati loads radeon. |
| 20:00.15 | GlitchMaster | I believe it's ANS7X-X, though. |
| 20:00.21 | StyXman | directhex: I don't know how to say the kind of keybd rather than !(usb, parallel, serial) keybd |
| 20:00.27 | resiak | greycat: Because. |
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| 20:00.43 | greycat | resiak: never mind, they explained that too. |
| 20:00.45 | clusty | how can I mount a partition from a ext harddrive so that all users can write to it? |
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| 20:00.50 | directhex | StyXman, PS/2 |
| 20:01.00 | StyXman | directhex: yah, point taken |
| 20:01.06 | greycat | " It's implemented as a Linux device driver, and consequently bloats your kernel totally unnecessarily - just like a real middle manager. A program that is so obviously something that should exist in userland, in the kernel. We have yet to find a way to make the program wear a suit, but this feature should be in the next release." |
| 20:01.07 | StyXman | was thinking on ps/aux, but... |
| 20:01.19 | derel1ct | if i have a usb device on "address 6", what /dev/ entry should i use to declare it ? |
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| 20:01.24 | resiak | greycat: Heh. |
| 20:01.24 | PerfDave | clusty: man mount |
| 20:01.52 | greycat | StyXman: AT style, PS/2, USB, wireless |
| 20:02.04 | directhex | greycat, bluetooth! |
| 20:02.05 | blipp | anyone here with bttv experience ?? i have trouble reading from device.. |
| 20:02.19 | StyXman | greycat: parallel and serial too |
| 20:02.23 | derel1ct | anyone? |
| 20:02.28 | GlitchMaster | It would seem that I have lost the box for my ASUS board. Alas. |
| 20:02.30 | justin | !tell blipp about ask |
| 20:02.31 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 20:02.31 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:02.47 | MobyTurbo | blipp: I have a little bttv experience. |
| 20:02.50 | greycat | nor have I seen a parallel port keyboard |
| 20:02.50 | derel1ct | dpkg: thanks that really cheers me up |
| 20:02.51 | dpkg | derel1ct: de rien |
| 20:03.11 | StyXman | greycat: there used to be a serial2sun adapter (or wassit parallel?) |
| 20:03.41 | blipp | MobyTurbo : you mind a priv msg session? |
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| 20:03.54 | greycat | !bad polls |
| 20:03.54 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 20:03.59 | MobyTurbo | blipp: yes, I do mind. Ask here where everyone can benefit. |
| 20:04.50 | blipp | MobyTurbo : ok, from dmesg, i get : bttv0: registered device video0 and bttv0: registered device vbi0, but theire nowhere to be found. |
| 20:04.51 | Nagytalp | hi, can anybody tell an xfree4.4 apt source? |
| 20:04.55 | derel1ct | in sarge, if i have a usb device on "address 6", what /dev/ entry should i use to declare it ? |
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| 20:05.28 | greycat | Nagytalp: I strongly doubt you need one or could find one if you actually did need it. |
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| 20:05.57 | Nagytalp | thanx |
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| 20:06.15 | greycat | sarge's xfree86 packages actually backported most of the 4.4 drivers |
| 20:06.21 | AdeP_ | Would it be unusual when using openssh for the "e" key to produce a backspace, instead of the letter "e"? |
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| 20:06.34 | greycat | uh, yeah, I'd consider that a bit uncommon. |
| 20:06.35 | AdeP_ | ...and, can the client side change that, or only server side? |
| 20:06.37 | Nagytalp | i use woody r1:( |
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| 20:06.44 | MobyTurbo | blipp: sorry, I just got a reminder that I have a dentist appointment. bbl |
| 20:06.48 | greycat | Nagytalp: upgrade. Sheesh. |
| 20:06.51 | BlackJudas | Let me try asking again: Is it a function of the mail client or the imap server to handle folder creation? ie, I know the server allocates how the folders are created, but is it Thunderbird screwing up and not allowing me to create sub-directories under other directories? Or should I investigate the dovecot server? |
| 20:06.53 | directhex | if you've ever run apt-get upgrade, you're not running woody r1 |
| 20:06.54 | Nagytalp | :)) |
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| 20:07.10 | ricky_clarkson | AdeP_: I'd imagi that would a ally bad probm |
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| 20:07.19 | blipp | swell. |
| 20:07.21 | greycat | BlackJudas: since the imap client has no direct access to the file system, clearly only the imap server can actually create them. |
| 20:07.34 | AdeP_ | ricky_clarkson : Ally problem? |
| 20:07.44 | ricky_clarkson | AdeP_: r<backspace>ally |
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| 20:07.47 | ricky_clarkson | 'really' |
| 20:07.49 | xnor | how do i setup xwindow with kde for my graphicscard, can someone explain the basic steps, ie what files to configure it |
| 20:07.54 | BlackJudas | greycat, Indeed, though is it a protocol problem? Would you guess...? |
| 20:07.56 | mops_ | hi! |
| 20:08.04 | sprite | I've recently done a dist-upgrade on unstable and now I'm getting random lockups in GNOME... anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:08.06 | greycat | I'd guess "check the logs". |
| 20:08.14 | greycat | Do I win a prize now? |
| 20:08.14 | AdeP_ | ricky_clarkson : Ah, yes, cute. |
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| 20:08.19 | mops_ | does somebody use here a file manager emelFM? |
| 20:08.32 | citral | !cookie greycat |
| 20:08.34 | dpkg | Hey citral, greylion is not greycat |
| 20:08.38 | mops_ | cause I need to know how can I bind my HOME and END keys |
| 20:08.38 | directhex | xnor, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:08.46 | BlackJudas | greycat, have, no mention of... anything since Thunderbird won't let me create it, though accessing a Cyrus IMAP server it does. |
| 20:08.59 | Skiver | guys, instead of setting my XIM_PROGRAM in /etc/environment , where can i set it for just ONE user |
| 20:08.59 | BlackJudas | greycat, thanks anyway. |
| 20:09.02 | green_earz | xnor: apt-get install x-window-system-core the apt-get install kde |
| 20:09.02 | kirbymeister | Question: How come I cant CHOWN my own files? |
| 20:09.08 | StyXman | ok, tx anyway |
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| 20:09.13 | greycat | Skiver: ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc or something. Depends. |
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| 20:09.18 | tag | God I feel like shit |
| 20:09.24 | green_earz | xnor: sorry then not the |
| 20:09.44 | directhex | can i say for the record that bluetooth support in linux is rather cool? i can use IRC from my bed quite happily =] |
| 20:09.57 | at0m|c | hi, i've mounted a fat32 drive and see files and folders as 0bytes unidentified files |
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| 20:10.03 | at0m|c | how can i access it properly? |
| 20:10.05 | blipp | debian, sarge.. from dmesg, i get : bttv0: registered device video0 and bttv0: registered device vbi0, but theire nowhere to be found ? |
| 20:10.05 | kirbymeister | yeah. For some reason, I cant CHOWN my own files to root:video |
| 20:10.07 | Skiver | greycat : i should export the variables ? |
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| 20:10.21 | GlitchMaster | tag: tired? exhausted? ill? |
| 20:10.33 | greycat | Skiver: most likely. |
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| 20:11.03 | sprite | kirbymeister you need to have permission to change file ownerships and root is the only one that can do it for you (root:video)... try using `sudo chown root:video /path/to/file` |
| 20:11.04 | kirbymeister | at0m|c: your filesystem needs to be mounted with options rw, umask=000 to be world-rwable |
| 20:11.18 | at0m|c | kirbymeister: oki thanks, will try! |
| 20:11.18 | Skiver | greycat : thanks, be back with result. |
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| 20:11.22 | AdeP_ | This is only when doing X11 forwarding, so I think the server is doing `xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace"`. Can this be overcome on client side? |
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| 20:11.39 | kirbymeister | sprite: Oh. I've been CHOWNing as root, but I always wondered why I cant CHOWN my own files. Thanks. |
| 20:12.17 | xnor | green_earz thx! |
| 20:12.17 | greycat | that bastard peer! |
| 20:12.20 | sprite | just a quick question... has anyone else been having random lockups in GNOME 2.8? particularly in evolution? |
| 20:12.24 | derel1ct | what do i add in modules to get sda entries? |
| 20:12.25 | GlitchMaster | I don't seem to have a sudo command... apt-get sudo? |
| 20:12.37 | greycat | derel1ct: NOTHING. Stop using udev. Stop using devfs. |
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| 20:12.47 | sprite | GlitchMaster su -c "apt-get install sudo" |
| 20:12.52 | kirbymeister | at0m|c: you need to change your /etc/fstab to have it mount like that. |
| 20:12.57 | GlitchMaster | (apt-get install sudo) |
| 20:12.58 | derel1ct | greycat: then what entry to i put in snapscan.conf to tell it where to look for usb scanner? |
| 20:13.15 | GlitchMaster | sprite: 'kay... |
| 20:13.16 | tag | cool |
| 20:13.36 | green_earz | xnor: you will need to the refresh rate for your monitor |
| 20:13.57 | GlitchMaster | sprite: any other useful utils I might now have and should get, while I'm at it? |
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| 20:13.59 | green_earz | xnor: sorry need to know |
| 20:14.21 | at0m|c | kirbymeister: tried that, added "/dev/hda2 /mnt/disk2 vfat rw, umask=000" but mount -a returns error on that line |
| 20:14.52 | kirbymeister | at0m|c: you forgot the 0 0 at the end of the line |
| 20:14.56 | GlitchMaster | sprite: also, what does sudo do, exactly? |
| 20:15.06 | at0m|c | kirbymeister: tried that too, no help |
| 20:15.08 | kirbymeister | at0m|c: is /mnt/disk2 an actual folder? |
| 20:15.12 | at0m|c | yes |
| 20:15.13 | greycat | GlitchMaster: apt-get install sudo; man sudo |
| 20:15.19 | kirbymeister | at0m|c: good |
| 20:15.34 | GlitchMaster | ...Why didn't I think of that? I must remember to read those. >.< |
| 20:15.34 | kirbymeister | at0m|c: add a 0 0 to the end of that line and try again |
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| 20:15.37 | sprite | GlitchMaster sudo = Super User DO... basically let's you run priviledged commands as a non-root user |
| 20:15.47 | JoaoMarcus | how do I change the system-wide encoding? I just forgot :( |
| 20:15.54 | at0m|c | kirbymeister: same problem |
| 20:15.56 | greycat | JoaoMarcus: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:15.59 | greycat | and see the FAQ |
| 20:16.03 | kirbymeister | at0m|c: what is mount -a saying? |
| 20:16.19 | justin | sudo != super user do |
| 20:16.25 | at0m|c | kirbymeister: line 8 in /etc/fstab is bad |
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| 20:16.39 | sprite | GlitchMaster once installed, run `su -c "visudo"` and duplicate the "root" line for your user, also read the manpage for more details on how to configure it more |
| 20:16.50 | at0m|c | kirbymeister: then the 'too many mounts, invalid filesystem etc' error |
| 20:17.17 | CSWookie | justin: Does sudo stand for something then? |
| 20:17.26 | sprite | GlitchMaster aside from that I really can't suggest any other utils off-hand... |
| 20:17.40 | justin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:17.59 | justin | "another user" != "super user" |
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| 20:18.24 | at0m|c | kirbymeister: yet with option "rw,user 0 0" it mounts but all files are 0bytes, so me thinks filesystem is correct |
| 20:18.30 | CSWookie | justin: True... Maybe "shift user, do"? |
| 20:18.46 | sprite | sudo = Super User DO |
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| 20:19.06 | sprite | as in... Super User DO some-command |
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| 20:19.34 | CSWookie | sprite: And the argument continues. :-) |
| 20:19.37 | justin | sprite: except that it is not. |
| 20:19.45 | sprite | no? |
| 20:19.47 | justin | sprite: repeating something that is wrong does not make it somehow right |
| 20:20.08 | sprite | so correct me so that I don't continue to propagate false information |
| 20:20.12 | justin | 15:17 < justin> sudo, sudoedit - execute a command as another user |
| 20:20.14 | justin | 15:18 < justin> "another user" != "super user" |
| 20:20.17 | CSWookie | sprite: Read what justin said at 15:18 hours, -500 gmt |
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| 20:20.58 | EricBlade | i had temporarily plugged my monitor into a computer running windows yesterday, and was able to get 1280x1024 out of it, even though the manual said it's not able to do it. Linux certainly isn't able to do it with it under auto-detected settings, but Windows just went straight to 1280x1024. anyone know how to achieve that? |
| 20:21.04 | sprite | the question was does it stand for something and what you said did not answer the question... so sudo doesn't stand for anything right? |
| 20:21.06 | CSWookie | sprite: I proposed "shift user, do" |
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| 20:21.23 | CSWookie | sprite: I don't know though. |
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| 20:21.40 | sprite | so then why are people correcting me if they don't know. *sigh* |
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| 20:22.01 | at0m|c | EricBlade: try xf86cfg if u have that, and add the mode manually to your monitor if the video card can run it |
| 20:22.06 | justin | sprite: for fucks sake are you blind? |
| 20:22.17 | The_Vulture | sprite: because it can't mean what you claim it to mean because sudo isn't only for going to super-user.. |
| 20:22.17 | EricBlade | since 'su' is 'switch user', someone figured 'sudo' would be 'do as switched user' .. whomever named that program wasn't thinking. |
| 20:22.20 | derel1ct | EricBlade: put the correct hsync and vsync values in your XF86Config-4 file |
| 20:22.28 | greycat | oh whatever. |
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| 20:22.50 | bucky | EricBlade, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set your default resolution to 1280x1024 and when the smoke comes out turn it off |
| 20:22.52 | EricBlade | er.. but i don't know what the correct values -are- or how i would get them from a windows box if i did have it available to me again |
| 20:22.55 | greycat | http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/history.html <-- there, read. |
| 20:22.55 | CSWookie | justin, sprite: sudo means "superuser do" from the sudo home page |
| 20:22.57 | The_Vulture | EricBlade: they probably were thinking too much I suspect - not that it matters a great deal |
| 20:23.04 | McCabe | anyone knows exactly how dangerous it is to use hdparm -w (reset) on a dvd drive? |
| 20:23.06 | sprite | wow |
| 20:23.09 | sprite | look at that |
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| 20:23.33 | greycat | and guess where I found that URL? |
| 20:24.06 | stew | greycat: i'm gonna guess it starts with "g" and ends with an "oogle"? |
| 20:24.14 | greycat | stew: nice guess, but no. |
| 20:24.19 | mmurrian | hi all, I am looking to do some recording on my linux box ... can someone recommend a good multitrack recording/mastering studio software package for linux (ie free also) ... and maybe even one that includes realtime guitar effects |
| 20:24.22 | stew | damn |
| 20:24.32 | GlitchMaster | sprite... what did you mean by "duplicate the "root" line for your user"? |
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| 20:24.40 | at0m|c | mmurrian: check www.agnula.org |
| 20:24.43 | EricBlade | hmmm... *thinks* |
| 20:24.46 | greycat | GlitchMaster: /msg dpkg sudo man sudoers; man visudo; man sudo |
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| 20:24.58 | derel1ct | mmurrian: i don't, but mhwavedit is a powerful wav editor to start with |
| 20:25.06 | justin | they should fix their web page to properly reflect what the program actually does |
| 20:25.06 | GlitchMaster | Heh... I figured there was only one man page... >.> |
| 20:25.12 | derel1ct | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.15 | sprite | GlitchMaster what greycat said... |
| 20:25.17 | justin | su is not "super user". sudo is not "super user do" |
| 20:25.25 | stew | ahh bottom of the manpage |
| 20:25.26 | greycat | it's just *words*, people. |
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| 20:25.43 | justin | greycat: super user do implies that sudo can only be used to run commands as root, which isn't the case at all |
| 20:25.50 | sprite | justin give it up and calm down. |
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| 20:26.22 | mmurrian | oh also ... can anyone think of an easy way to cut filter 60hz from my soundcard output ... like through software |
| 20:26.25 | greycat | the point is, it lets you do "sudo make install" instead of "su", "enter your password", "make install", "exit" |
| 20:26.35 | CSWookie | justin: So it's inaccurate. Life's hard with its fuzzy boundaries. |
| 20:26.35 | mmurrian | all of my connections are managing to get that induced |
| 20:26.46 | greycat | and even then, "make install" after the su may not work right because su may have changed your PATH |
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| 20:26.50 | GlitchMaster | Eh... it seems easier to just leave a root terminal window open.. |
| 20:27.07 | justin | greycat: it also lets you run sudo -upostgres psql.... |
| 20:27.08 | Karhuton | The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols ... Warning: font renderer for ".pcf" already registered at priority 0 ... waiting for X server to shut down |
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| 20:27.15 | ribnitz | evening |
| 20:27.24 | Karhuton | After doing dist-upgrade I can't start X anymore. |
| 20:27.31 | cahoot | mmurrian: ecasound |
| 20:27.31 | neenee | leaving a root terminal open is close to doing everything as root to me |
| 20:27.42 | at0m|c | mmurrian: JACK allows u to insert plugins into the stream |
| 20:27.44 | CSWookie | GlitchMaster: But bad to do that. because sudo makes a log of all commands entered through it, while su only records the login. Better for auditing, etc. |
| 20:27.50 | bjbL | I thought "su" was for "switch user" |
| 20:27.57 | justin | bjbL: it is |
| 20:28.04 | GlitchMaster | Heh.. |
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| 20:28.12 | Karhuton | Hmmm... I can as root, but not as a normal user. |
| 20:28.16 | smj | Hey greycat, you use OpenBSD, right? |
| 20:28.18 | at0m|c | mmurrian: if u wanna do some multi-tracking, i think u want to use JACK for low latency and routing anyways |
| 20:28.23 | McCabe | neeko: check /var/log/xdm* or /var/log/XFree* |
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| 20:28.26 | greycat | smj: yes |
| 20:28.40 | mmurrian | alright, thank you guys a lot :) |
| 20:28.49 | at0m|c | mmurrian: have fun :) |
| 20:28.53 | smj | greycat: In PF, is there anything like the connection tracking and TTL plugins available in Netfilter? |
| 20:29.02 | greycat | smj: man pf.conf |
| 20:29.09 | greycat | and yes, that's off topic in #debian |
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| 20:29.17 | McCabe | neeko: of course, that was for neenee |
| 20:29.37 | smj | greycat: Sorry, wasn't trying to be OT, just wanted to answer a question for someone at work. Thanks! |
| 20:29.44 | ribnitz | at0m|c: do you have a working toolchain? |
| 20:29.45 | mohadib | anyone know why amanda-client does not start when I start inetd? |
| 20:29.57 | at0m|c | ribnitz: toolchain? |
| 20:29.57 | mohadib | i installed it via apt |
| 20:30.06 | McCabe | neenee: man, im all delierous, that was for Karhuton |
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| 20:30.26 | at0m|c | ribnitz: i use jack and rack-jack for routing and plugins |
| 20:30.32 | zarchne | What's the closest thing to FrontPage in the desktop linux world? |
| 20:30.38 | ribnitz | at0m|c: "LP Single"->...->mp3file on ipod |
| 20:30.44 | mohadib | zarchne: try bluefish |
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| 20:30.54 | at0m|c | ribnitz: no ipods here |
| 20:31.07 | neenee | mccabe: hm? |
| 20:31.11 | sprite | so no one else is having any issues with Gnome 2.8 / evolution in unstable? hmm. |
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| 20:31.24 | neenee | mccabe: i think you meant to say that to neeko |
| 20:31.29 | McCabe | neenee: never mind me |
| 20:31.41 | ribnitz | at0m|c: or otherwise put. those large black discs with the turntable, to an mp3 or ogg file (or wav) you can burn to cd? |
| 20:31.41 | JohnFlux | where is the best place to add a command i want run at boot time? |
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| 20:31.49 | greycat | JohnFlux: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:31.57 | neenee | mccabe: okidoki |
| 20:32.05 | Karhuton | McCabe: For some reason .ICEauthority was owned by root and I couldn't access it. |
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| 20:32.17 | at0m|c | ribnitz: no turntable here, but ye i got recording and ripping gear |
| 20:32.18 | McCabe | Karhuton: so, solved? |
| 20:32.22 | Karhuton | McCabe: I could see this error in .xsession-errors. No where else. |
| 20:32.28 | Nagytalp | sorry for one moment...what is the easyest way to upgrade kde2.x to 3.x? |
| 20:32.30 | Karhuton | McCabe: Yeah. |
| 20:32.32 | ribnitz | at0m|c: so watcha use? |
| 20:32.36 | McCabe | grand |
| 20:32.38 | Karhuton | McCabe: But it's odd, how the permission got changed. |
| 20:32.46 | at0m|c | ribnitz: its a home music production studio really |
| 20:33.20 | zarchne | mohadib: thanks. |
| 20:33.20 | at0m|c | ribnitz: one pc w winxp and some dsp cards, some controllers, and this laptop on linux |
| 20:33.25 | ribnitz | at0m|c: whatever. gets in at the soundcard, gets modified and gets output or written to some medium. |
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| 20:33.26 | blackfeet | hi, i found a little spelling mistake in the german debian doku about compiling a kernel. Where should I post some things? |
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| 20:33.35 | Nagytalp | inno: sarge :)))) |
| 20:33.50 | McCabe | i have a strange problem: i recently put a dvd burner in a box and try to make it accessible to freevo. however, freevo says theres no disk in the drive. i shut down freevo and try to mount the disk -> mount says no media. the only solution i've found is to reboot to get it to recognize the disks again.. |
| 20:33.56 | ribnitz | blackfeet: reportbug against the package? |
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| 20:34.03 | directhex | blackfeet, file a bug agaibnst the package |
| 20:34.23 | jsm | hmm.. got my 2.6 kernel up, but when i try to start apache2, it says : "Starting web server: Apache2(30)Read-only file system: apache2: could not open error log file /var/log/apache2/error.log." |
| 20:34.26 | sprite | blackfeet bugs.debian.org I would think |
| 20:34.28 | blackfeet | Its in the installation guide |
| 20:34.29 | ribnitz | directhex: your typing used to be beta? ;)# |
| 20:34.32 | voltagex | what happened to debian-win32? |
| 20:34.34 | jsm | mount doesn't should it as being ro |
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| 20:35.03 | BlackJudas | can dpkg show me the install date of a package? |
| 20:35.11 | directhex | ribnitz, i could type before i binge-drank as a student. i almsot had it again, then bougth a new keyboard in december with different size keys to my old one |
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| 20:35.16 | greycat | BlackJudas: not per se, but you can check ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 20:35.34 | Skiver | greycat : ~/.bashrc works |
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| 20:35.37 | BlackJudas | greycat, thanks much! |
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| 20:35.44 | Skiver | greycat : thank you |
| 20:35.46 | ribnitz | directhex: know the feeling, need to cope with 3 different keyboard layots at work. |
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| 20:36.07 | ribnitz | directhex: whats binge-drinking? |
| 20:36.18 | directhex | !dict binge |
| 20:36.20 | dpkg | Dictionary 'binge' (3 shown): overeat or eat immodestly; make a pig of oneself; "She stuffed herself at the dinner"; "The kids binged on icecream" ;; any act of immoderate indulgence; "an orgy of shopping"; "an emotional binge"; "a splurge of spending" ;; an occasion for excessive eating or drinking; "they went on a bust that lasted three days". |
| 20:36.39 | root____ | do you know if exist GUI version of "nmap" for Debian? |
| 20:36.48 | RainbowW | three days? that's not a bust. that's ... pathetic. |
| 20:36.52 | fritz | hello! How can I set by bind (DNS) updates my info to ISP's DNS ? Since not all hosts inside my network are working outside LAN! (from internet) |
| 20:37.00 | Skiver | how can i make my Konsole to store more lines for scrolling, say 20000 lines |
| 20:37.02 | directhex | root____, there's an nmap plugin for nessus |
| 20:37.09 | Skiver | is that possible ? |
| 20:37.10 | directhex | Skiver, the konsole options screen |
| 20:37.13 | ribnitz | directhex: thanks. thats fraternity/sororities/student associations (aka. drinking club and marriage agency) |
| 20:37.47 | cahoot | root____: nmapfe |
| 20:37.56 | directhex | ribnitz, nobody's excluded in the uk, even the geeks go get ratted at bars & clubs |
| 20:38.03 | root____ | directhex> thank you |
| 20:38.04 | Besucher | 30 mins remaning |
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| 20:38.35 | Skiver | directhex : i don't find anything there |
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| 20:38.48 | root____ | directhex> a nmap gui from "factor" doesnt exist at all? |
| 20:39.01 | directhex | root____, buggered if i know |
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| 20:39.17 | greycat | Skiver: man konsole |
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| 20:39.24 | chealer | greycat: me neither |
| 20:39.35 | ribnitz | directhex: It was only a remark, not a reproach. Possibilities are limited at some places, and alcohol can make things easier. |
| 20:39.45 | Skiver | greycat : no entry |
| 20:39.55 | greycat | Skiver: is it capitalized or something? |
| 20:40.15 | BlackJudas | What will apt-get do if say: I download the src package of a pkg that's installed, then copy the files over the install of the debian package? If the current maintainer ever wakes up, and actually releases a new version (7 upstream versions) will apt-get choke? |
| 20:40.16 | Skiver | greycat : nope |
| 20:40.43 | directhex | BlackJudas, why not generate a .deb instead? |
| 20:40.46 | fritz[] | DNS question? how can I update my bind to ISP's dns ? |
| 20:40.49 | greycat | find konsole.1.gz$ sarge |
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| 20:40.51 | greycat | !find konsole.1.gz$ sarge |
| 20:40.58 | greycat | fritz[]: huh? |
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| 20:41.21 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'konsole.1.gz' returned no results. |
| 20:41.30 | greycat | !find konsole sarge |
| 20:41.31 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'konsole' (3 shown): konsole ;; konsolekalendar ;; xfonts-konsole. |
| 20:41.32 | BlackJudas | directhex|work, ahh, good idea. He's said in BTS not to do a NMU and help him, but he seems forever afk. I can just do it for myself. Yay. (although I have no idea how ;) |
| 20:41.36 | fritz[] | greycat: bind is working, but not all hosts are working from outside the LAN ... (from internet) |
| 20:42.07 | greycat | fritz[]: you're the authoritative master server for some domian? |
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| 20:42.09 | greycat | domain* |
| 20:42.16 | sprite | BlackJudas apt will probably just overwrite the files and may give warnings for non-empty directories but making a .deb from the upstream sources would be best... |
| 20:42.21 | usn | good nicght, all |
| 20:42.24 | greycat | fritz[]: if so, *which domain* and what hostname is failing, and what did you expect it to say? |
| 20:42.45 | fritz[] | greycat: ok, just a sec, let me check to be sure |
| 20:42.57 | BlackJudas | sprite, yep, though... Is there a howto for ... me? (wow I refrained from using the word Dummies..) <o/ |
| 20:43.15 | Besucher | so i have to go now |
| 20:43.31 | Besucher | i hope sarge works tomorrow |
| 20:43.33 | ribnitz | greycat: this is the voicebox of mydomain.com, we are currenlty undergoingmaintence and will be back soon? |
| 20:43.34 | norculf_ | terrorists |
| 20:43.37 | Besucher | bye |
| 20:43.54 | ribnitz | Besucher: see ya |
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| 20:44.28 | sprite | BlackJudas well you could start with `apt-get source packagename` and use the existing debian subdirectory... best for you to read the debian developers guide... (it's on http://debian.org can't remember the url) |
| 20:44.38 | GlitchMaster | Hey.. um... Somebody had set up a script to convert .url files into bookmark files. It didn't work as it was supposed to, and didn't handle spaces. Would anyone be willing to help me with a simple script to extract the http:// line from each? |
| 20:44.39 | Skiver | brb |
| 20:44.57 | GlitchMaster | (I have hundreds) |
| 20:45.00 | voda | when i do: modprobe 2.2.20-idepci , it ain't working.. it says cant locate it, but it is on my filesystem. |
| 20:45.05 | GlitchMaster | Windows .url files, that is. |
| 20:45.07 | greycat | GlitchMaster: try #bash but don't be surprised if we roll our eyes at Yet Another Newbie Who Wants To Parse HTML From Bash. |
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| 20:45.20 | GlitchMaster | :\ |
| 20:45.24 | GlitchMaster | 'kay... |
| 20:45.27 | greycat | voda: that question makes no sense. |
| 20:45.30 | EricBlade | well, this is awesome |
| 20:45.47 | EricBlade | i turned off DDC, and suddenly BAM! my monitor goes into 1280x1024 |
| 20:45.49 | voda | greycat: What's wrong about it then? |
| 20:45.59 | greycat | you don't modprobe kernel versions. |
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| 20:46.50 | EricBlade | i specified the Horiz/Vert refreshes that are available on the manufacturer's website, and it just plain worked. amazing. |
| 20:46.50 | Nagytalp | knows anybody a good graphical traceroute prog? |
| 20:46.50 | greycat | voda: and don't /msg me. |
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| 20:46.51 | greycat | !tell voda about idepci |
| 20:46.51 | The_Vulture | Nagytalp: xtraceroute ? dunnog whether it's "good" or not.. |
| 20:46.51 | greycat | !tell voda about msg |
| 20:46.51 | sprite | Nagytalp gnome-network I think has something... |
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| 20:46.52 | EricBlade | now, the monitor says it's in 1280x1024 @ 60Hz, but the manufacturer's website says it can do i at 65Hz .. actually, it says "63.9KHz 60Hz PP" |
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| 20:46.54 | chealer | Nagytalp: try gnome's network tools |
| 20:46.55 | greycat | 15:46 Ignoring MSGS from voda |
| 20:47.06 | Nagytalp | thanx a lot |
| 20:47.09 | EricBlade | any way i can tweak that a little bit more ? white backgrounded things look really twitchy |
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| 20:48.25 | sprite | oops one sec |
| 20:48.27 | voda | anyway may i msg you greycat ? |
| 20:48.38 | greycat | I won't see it. |
| 20:48.43 | voda | ok |
| 20:48.48 | Skiver | any idea how to store more line in xterm ? |
| 20:48.51 | voda | well you know what the prob is? |
| 20:48.51 | greycat | Skiver: man xterm |
| 20:48.55 | greycat | (-sl IIRC) |
| 20:49.00 | BlackJudas | voda, you're using a version. |
| 20:49.04 | BlackJudas | voda, don't. |
| 20:49.09 | jsm | i take it that it is a bad sign when i start seeing things like "hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }" in my kern.log? |
| 20:49.14 | greycat | jsm: yes. |
| 20:49.17 | BlackJudas | jsm, yep. |
| 20:49.26 | EricBlade | jsm: i see those on bootup all the time, since using 2.6.9 |
| 20:49.27 | BlackJudas | jsm, try turning on multimode. |
| 20:49.27 | greycat | it means "make a backup *NOW*" |
| 20:49.29 | EricBlade | but never after |
| 20:49.31 | dvs | jsm: absolutely |
| 20:49.32 | RainbowW | jsm: mucho. think fried drive. |
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| 20:49.33 | fritz[] | greycat: ok, bind is at vtszg.hr which is working. But told.vtszg.hr, flame.vtszg.hr not working (subdomains) |
| 20:49.45 | greycat | fritz[]: so set up the subdomains. |
| 20:49.48 | BlackJudas | jsm, hdparm -m 16 |
| 20:49.51 | BlackJudas | err |
| 20:49.54 | BlackJudas | jsm, hdparm -m 16 /dev/hdx |
| 20:49.59 | fritz[] | greycat: they are working inside the LAN ... |
| 20:50.03 | jsm | EricBlade: i didn't start getting these until i booted with 2.6.8 on sarge |
| 20:50.09 | greycat | fritz[]: #dns |
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| 20:50.34 | hettar | jsm what filesystem are you using ? |
| 20:50.39 | voltagex | debain win32 is dead. |
| 20:50.39 | greycat | svr1a:~$ host -t ns flame.vtszg.hr |
| 20:50.39 | greycat | svr1a:~$ |
| 20:50.46 | EricBlade | it takes my system like 15 minutes to boot since it has to reset the IDE drive like 4 times before it will start. I have no problems of that nature if i switch back to earlier versions. |
| 20:50.47 | jsm | lol, no hdparm installed :).. can't even apt-get because the os mounted my / as read-only |
| 20:51.06 | fritz[] | greycat: thank you |
| 20:51.08 | greycat | jsm: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 20:51.10 | BlackJudas | jsm, eh... lame |
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| 20:51.22 | BlackJudas | EricBlade, try using hdparm. |
| 20:51.33 | BlackJudas | If you config your own kernel, set it to use multimode by default. |
| 20:51.34 | fritz[] | greycat: so ... u see ... not working? |
| 20:51.39 | BlackJudas | And turn off GENERIC_IDE |
| 20:51.51 | greycat | fritz[]: so the question is, what did you break, or forget to do? #dns might be more helpful. |
| 20:51.56 | BlackJudas | EricBlade, that's why it resets. |
| 20:52.00 | RainbowW | is nfs-kernel-server br0ked in sid currently? |
| 20:52.01 | BlackJudas | EricBlade, usually. |
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| 20:52.12 | joujou | hello |
| 20:52.52 | jsm | greycat: that would be great if i had console :) |
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| 20:53.11 | greycat | jsm: I can't imagine you possibly being able to ssh into a box that's got a readonly root fs. |
| 20:53.13 | joujou | how can I create a file containing a cryptographic checksum of all the files in a certain directory? |
| 20:53.19 | xogon | BlackJudas: why turn off GENERIC_IDE? |
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| 20:53.26 | greycat | maybe my imagination is inadequate |
| 20:53.33 | jsm | greycat: imagine it.. i'm ssh'd in the box, i can't touch /var/test as root |
| 20:53.38 | greycat | joujou: you mean an MD5 or SHA-1 hash? |
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| 20:53.51 | joujou | greycat: md5 |
| 20:54.02 | greycat | md5sum * > ../my-md5sums |
| 20:54.17 | PerfDave | RainbowW: Check the BTS? |
| 20:54.20 | pountaar | joujou: you want all the files at once? |
| 20:54.20 | BlackJudas | xogon, unless you don't know your chipset, GENERIC_IDE will probe all possible hd channels which may or may not exist. I also read somewhere in some mailing list that it may also produce SeekReady errors on certain chipsets. |
| 20:54.58 | jsm | BlackJudas: what does multimode do? |
| 20:55.07 | joujou | pountar: yes. What i want to do after that is create a cron job that runs every period of time to check if the files have changed |
| 20:55.09 | BlackJudas | jsm, boot of a bootdisk and re-mount the partition rw. |
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| 20:55.30 | BlackJudas | jsm, can't remember specifially sorry, has to do with IDE access. |
| 20:55.31 | mono | how do i reconfigure xfree86? |
| 20:55.41 | The_Vulture | joujou: well what greycat showed is basically sufficient (then diff the my-md5sums files) but why do you want that? |
| 20:55.43 | jsm | BlackJudas: i'll boot back to the 2.4 kernel that's still on there |
| 20:55.44 | mono | and choose the screens? |
| 20:55.45 | BlackJudas | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:55.48 | greycat | joujou: uh, if you can't handle "md5sum *" then I suspect your cron job is going to be a bit challenging to write. |
| 20:55.49 | xogon | jsm: man hdparm |
| 20:55.51 | The_Vulture | perhaps you want to use rsync or something.. |
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| 20:56.08 | BlackJudas | xogon, good call |
| 20:56.21 | joujou | greycat: I'm learning, this is critical stuff |
| 20:56.23 | BlackJudas | jsm, yep, good idea |
| 20:56.38 | BlackJudas | joujou, then .. you shouldn't be doing it if you're just learning. |
| 20:56.56 | mono | what is an Intel 82865G vga controller? which one is it? |
| 20:56.59 | greycat | it might be a good way to learn, though |
| 20:57.05 | joujou | BlackJudas: because? |
| 20:57.09 | greycat | mono: most likely something from the i810 family |
| 20:57.10 | mono | an i810? |
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| 20:57.17 | mono | greycat, thx |
| 20:57.18 | voltagex | msg dpkg search qt.pm |
| 20:57.18 | EricBlade | BlackJudas: hmmmm |
| 20:57.20 | voltagex | oops |
| 20:57.23 | BlackJudas | joujou, you said it's critical. |
| 20:57.28 | EricBlade | multi-mode as opposed to ... ? |
| 20:57.30 | dvs | mono: Intel Extreme Graphics 2 |
| 20:57.32 | BlackJudas | EricBlade, ? |
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| 20:57.41 | joujou | BlackJudas: oops I omitted not |
| 20:57.53 | joujou | BlackJudas: I meant "NOT" critical stuff |
| 20:58.01 | BlackJudas | EricBlade, no multimode. |
| 20:58.04 | xogon | mono: depends i think on the kernel version. may be an i810 or an i830 or even the newer i915 (i think) |
| 20:58.11 | BlackJudas | joujou, gotcha, then ignore what I said ;) |
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| 20:58.17 | EricBlade | hmm.. i'll work on that, as i configure whatever the current kernel ver is |
| 20:58.19 | voltagex | ermm what command lets me find out which package Qt.pm is in? I don't want to have to download 10mb worth of apt-file listings |
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| 20:58.41 | BlackJudas | EricBlade, use hdparm, it's a "relatively" safe way to see if it fixes things. |
| 20:58.46 | chealer | voltagex: try packages.debian.org |
| 20:58.57 | BlackJudas | ie, you may have the hdparm script running on boot which stops the ide channel resets. |
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| 20:59.09 | voltagex | !lart me |
| 20:59.27 | BlackJudas | voltagex, man... an aol cd... what a way to go... |
| 20:59.49 | Nagytalp | goodbye |
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| 21:00.15 | joujou | is it just me or does md5sum take a long time? |
| 21:00.20 | greycat | it reads the entire file. |
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| 21:00.45 | greycat | the CPU load should be trivial compared to the time spent in I/O wait |
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| 21:00.49 | RainbowW | i'm not understanding why i'm getting rpc timeouts when mounting multiple nfs shares from a single server on a single client. some of the shares are mounting; some are not. no clue where to start. |
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| 21:01.04 | RainbowW | greycat: ramdisks are your friend. :) |
| 21:01.28 | greycat | RainbowW: he's basically writing his own tripwire |
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| 21:01.35 | joujou | greycat: indeed, which is why i asked cause there is no CPU activity and the thing seemed like hunging# |
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| 21:01.48 | greycat | joujou: your disks are slow, then. Or your files are HUGE. |
| 21:01.51 | xogon | BlackJudas: hmm if you mean CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC: in config help it says to "just say y" |
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| 21:01.55 | idnar | why is lilo trying to open /dev/hda when lilo.conf doesn't mention /dev/hda at all? |
| 21:02.04 | PerfDave | Password hashes are system-agnostic, right? If you have the same password on two different Linux boxes, they'll have the same line in /etc/shadow? |
| 21:02.12 | greycat | PerfDave: in theory, yes. |
| 21:02.24 | Oryn | idnar: cos its in /etc/fstab |
| 21:02.24 | greycat | PerfDave: make sure PAM is configured properly for whatever hash type it is... |
| 21:02.29 | xnor | does anyone know some nice instantmessaging app for kde? |
| 21:02.37 | PerfDave | xnor: kopete |
| 21:02.40 | ribnitz | PerfDave: I dont think so, they contain salt. |
| 21:02.48 | RainbowW | PerfDave: supposedly. you CAN move parts of /etc/shadow from one box to another; i've made that work. |
| 21:02.51 | idnar | Oryn: no, /etc/fstab doesn't mention /dev/hda anywhere either |
| 21:02.52 | greycat | ribnitz: that doesn't make them unportable |
| 21:03.08 | ribnitz | greycat: it complicates thingas |
| 21:03.11 | Oryn | really? |
| 21:03.14 | greycat | granted, he did ask *two* different questions which are slightly contradictory... |
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| 21:03.33 | xnor | PerfDave just what i wanted!, thanks |
| 21:03.34 | greycat | PerfDave: literal answers: "yes. no." |
| 21:03.45 | idnar | Oryn: yes, really |
| 21:03.47 | Oryn | idnar: it (I'm guessing) is looking to write to its mbr |
| 21:03.47 | GlitchMaster | Oh, this video error is worse than I thought. Standby isn't even enabled! The screen just goes blank and locks up after a long idle with screensaver. |
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| 21:04.11 | idnar | Oryn: I want it to write the MBR to /dev/discs/disc0/disc; I have boot=/dev/discs/disc0/disc in lilo.conf |
| 21:04.14 | greycat | PerfDave: that ought to work just fine. |
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| 21:04.32 | Om | Why can't I uninstall libapache-mod-php4 without having to uninstall mysql, postgreql, and a few others? :/ |
| 21:04.45 | Oryn | idnar: maybe it cant work with udev |
| 21:04.58 | Oryn | idnar: try grub instead |
| 21:05.06 | greycat | or try removing udev |
| 21:05.10 | idnar | Oryn: grub just hangs |
| 21:05.22 | joujou | ok. Help this noob learn something: I can create a new md5 checksum then use diff to see if they are same. Is it possible to email root if the diff generated differences? |
| 21:05.28 | idnar | Oryn: on boot, that is |
| 21:05.29 | ribnitz | idnar: try without udev then |
| 21:05.29 | paulswm | I have the same username and password on two boxes , but the password strings in each /etc/shadow are different |
| 21:05.30 | PerfDave | joujou: Yes |
| 21:05.32 | greycat | !possible |
| 21:05.34 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 21:05.48 | PerfDave | joujou: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 21:05.51 | greycat | paulswm: that's expected. |
| 21:05.53 | mono | when trying to startx i get the error msg no video bios mode for chosen depth. ideas what is missing? |
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| 21:05.58 | Oryn | idnar: whats your ide device? |
| 21:06.08 | PerfDave | joujou: If you want to periodically check md5sums of certain files against a "known good" set, then install tripwire. |
| 21:06.28 | greycat | mono: see /var/log/X* for more details |
| 21:06.30 | idnar | ribnitz: I can just manually create /dev/hda, but that's mildly annoying; I was hoping there was a way to tell lilo not to guess the root device name |
| 21:06.39 | idnar | Oryn: what do you mean? |
| 21:06.41 | GlitchMaster | I'll just repeat myself. I don't think anyone noticed. |
| 21:06.53 | greycat | or maybe we just don't know. |
| 21:06.54 | ribnitz | idnar: I dont use lilo,or udev, or devfs. sorry. |
| 21:07.04 | GlitchMaster | The screen goes blank and locks up after a long idle with screensaver. Standby is NOT enabled! |
| 21:07.11 | joujou | create a cron job that compares the original checksum and the new one and mail root if they are different. This is not really for production use, I just wanna learn how to do it. |
| 21:07.12 | chealer | Om: that's strange. what directly depends on your libapache-mod-php4? |
| 21:07.20 | idnar | ribnitz: well, thanks anyway ;) |
| 21:07.24 | chealer | Om: and that you have installed |
| 21:07.33 | GlitchMaster | With this, the keyboard, mouse, and power button do not respond. |
| 21:07.37 | greycat | joujou: hint: anything you run from cron ALWAYS sends any stdout or stderr to the owner of the job. |
| 21:07.48 | GlitchMaster | It may even be a kernel lock up. |
| 21:07.49 | ribnitz | idnar: I use grub, and boot for /dev/hda5 (no magic) |
| 21:07.53 | Om | chealer, I don't have any idea why those depend on it, |
| 21:08.01 | xogon | hmm, aparently CONFIG_IDE_GENERIC is for "legacy ISA probing" |
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| 21:08.10 | Om | I'm not even using the php4 one, I've got php5 from source |
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| 21:08.13 | joujou | greycat: cool thanks. I assume sendmail has to be functioning |
| 21:08.13 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: what kernel do you use? |
| 21:08.20 | greycat | joujou: "an MTA". |
| 21:08.24 | chealer | Om: you can see which packages depend on a package. you got synaptic? it's easy |
| 21:08.32 | GlitchMaster | 2.6.x |
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| 21:08.39 | bigio | hi all |
| 21:08.42 | greycat | they switched to roman numerals now? |
| 21:08.44 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: which 2.6? |
| 21:08.46 | Oryn | idnar: you could try installing MBR, let that install its self, then run lilo |
| 21:08.48 | GlitchMaster | Hld on. |
| 21:08.49 | GlitchMaster | Hold* |
| 21:08.57 | xogon | greycat: hehe |
| 21:09.22 | GlitchMaster | 2.6.8 |
| 21:09.27 | xogon | linux-II.VI.X |
| 21:09.28 | paulswm | running II.VI.VIII here |
| 21:09.33 | bigio | can't boot linux on my laptop: VIA C3 1 ghz: knoppix: can't find knoppix filesystem , anyone can help me ? |
| 21:09.34 | GlitchMaster | (ribnitz) |
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| 21:09.44 | greycat | bigio: yes, but not us. |
| 21:09.54 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: thats fairly recent, I dont believe in kernel lockups. |
| 21:09.56 | Om | Ah well I expect it'll work out in the end, gotta go now :( |
| 21:09.56 | PerfDave | bigio: #knoppix may be able to do so |
| 21:10.14 | mono | the only error i get is that no devices detected when trying to startx |
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| 21:10.36 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: Then try explaining why the the power button, keyboard, and mouse don't respond. |
| 21:10.42 | ribnitz | mono: review your config then. |
| 21:10.45 | bigio | greycat, i would like install Debian on my lightbook, can i use standard kernel to boot ? |
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| 21:11.00 | PerfDave | mono: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
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| 21:11.08 | GlitchMaster | And yes, I checked to see if NumLock and such responded. |
| 21:11.09 | greycat | bigio: I'd say "try it and see". Never tried it myself. |
| 21:11.11 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: faluty implementation of "screensaver" |
| 21:11.31 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: Probs with APM or acpi |
| 21:11.35 | bigio | ok greycat , tx. :D |
| 21:11.39 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: suggestions? This happens every time, but takes a while... and... |
| 21:11.41 | knt | find command lists the files/directories by their last modification time. how can i make it to find by sorting file names? (please don't reply with a sort and pipe combination answer) |
| 21:12.00 | greycat | knt: man find |
| 21:12.07 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: switch off monotor? |
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| 21:12.31 | greycat | (hint: your question contains at least one very false statement) |
| 21:13.06 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: ....That should make no difference... |
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| 21:13.29 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: Switch of acpi or apm in bios if they dont work correctly. |
| 21:13.34 | knt | greycat: i looked at the find manual but couldn't find any answer. find sorts its list due to modification time. but i want it to sort it by looking at file names. |
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| 21:13.41 | greycat | knt: it does NOT. |
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| 21:13.55 | greycat | what insanity possesses you to believe that find(1) does any such thing? |
| 21:14.09 | justin | greycat: he doesn't know what an inode is |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | man sort ? |
| 21:14.26 | greycat | or he has one directory that just *happens* never to have had any files deleted... |
| 21:14.32 | knt | greycat: when i type "find /home/media/audio -type f" it finds the files by their modification times. filenames starting with 01 coming after filenames starting with 02. is it normal? 2 < 1 ? |
| 21:14.34 | ribnitz | knt: find basically does not sort results. if you want them sorted, you need to run them through sort |
| 21:14.40 | greycat | knt: it does NOT sort them. |
| 21:14.41 | greycat | AT ALL. |
| 21:14.45 | greycat | BY ANY METHOD. |
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| 21:14.53 | greycat | You have observed a *coincidence*. |
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| 21:15.08 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Yeah, but it happens every time in this directory. |
| 21:15.09 | ribnitz | greycat: it sorts them in the order they are found... |
| 21:15.26 | ribnitz | ricky_clarkson: layout of inodes? |
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| 21:15.34 | greycat | You have also failed to explain why a pipeline is disallowed. |
| 21:15.51 | knt | ribnitz: why find firstly doesn't find 01-xxx and then 02-xxx. how can i make find to find files like that? |
| 21:16.04 | greycat | knt: pipe it to sort |
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| 21:16.18 | mono | is there an application that tries to autodetect my xfree86 configuration? |
| 21:16.28 | knt | greycat: because pipe will sort all of the output. i just want to sort album directories... |
| 21:16.31 | greycat | mono: read-edid, discover |
| 21:16.34 | ribnitz | knt: find ... |sort|uniq... |
| 21:16.37 | mono | i keep on getting 'No devices detected |
| 21:16.38 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: Will disabling either thing affect video performance negatively? |
| 21:16.43 | greycat | knt: try a more CLEVER command. |
| 21:16.49 | knt | greycat: like? |
| 21:16.50 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: nope |
| 21:16.51 | ricky_clarkson | knt: find doesn't do that. You have to take the output from find and use it as input to a command called 'sort'. That's what a pipe does (this symbol: |). |
| 21:16.58 | greycat | knt: e.g. read "man sort" and come up with new and fun ways to mangle your data |
| 21:17.14 | greycat | throw in a sed. be creative. |
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| 21:17.30 | GlitchMaster | ribnitz: 'kay... I'll give it a short. Hey, can you believe this board has a single-drive floppy bus?! I can't have two floppy drives! >_< |
| 21:17.31 | knt | i just wondered if there's any way to do it with a find param. |
| 21:17.36 | GlitchMaster | I'll be back, |
| 21:17.37 | greycat | knt: man find |
| 21:17.40 | greycat | (and we come full circle) |
| 21:17.44 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: all acpi or apm does is power management, it has no influence on performace. |
| 21:17.50 | GlitchMaster | Oh.. |
| 21:17.56 | FieldySnuts | @assault knt |
| 21:18.06 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: is that a 386? |
| 21:18.12 | ribnitz | GlitchMaster: seen that with dells destined for the desktop... |
| 21:18.17 | fdarling | does anyone here play d1x? (descent) |
| 21:18.19 | GlitchMaster | abrot: No. An ASUS board. |
| 21:18.26 | abrotman | use tab |
| 21:18.26 | GlitchMaster | abrot: AMD. |
| 21:18.30 | abrotman | use tab |
| 21:18.31 | knt | greycat: find manual doesn't mention about anything like i mention. we didn't come full circle. you just entered an endless loop about don't want to understand my question. |
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| 21:18.37 | dataw0lf | why you'd need a floppy drive, who knows. |
| 21:18.39 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: then why doyou want two floppies? |
| 21:18.40 | nvz | I cannot remember what in the past 10 years I have needed one floppy drive for |
| 21:18.42 | dataw0lf | that's so mid nineties. |
| 21:18.47 | dvs | nforce2? |
| 21:18.47 | ribnitz | do mothern boards still support 5.25 inch floppy drives? |
| 21:18.48 | abrotman | nvz: netinst of alphas!! |
| 21:18.53 | PerfDave | nvz: I needed one for flashing my DVD drive firmware |
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| 21:19.23 | mono | how do i use discover? |
| 21:19.28 | greycat | !FAQ mono |
| 21:19.29 | dpkg | mono: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:19.37 | walnuck | mono: usb? |
| 21:19.50 | PerfDave | knt: No, no endless loop. The fact that find always sorts a particular folder of yours by modification time is pure coincidence. If you want to sort things, use "sort". |
| 21:19.52 | mono | sorry dumb question. |
| 21:19.56 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: Nostalgia. I have a 5.25'' floppy drive. :D |
| 21:20.15 | mono | i am trying to setup x and i keep on getthing these 'no devices found error' |
| 21:20.15 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: that's your problem |
| 21:20.24 | ribnitz | !setup x |
| 21:20.25 | dpkg | set up x is probably To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 21:20.25 | PerfDave | mono: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 21:20.31 | GlitchMaster | Abrotman: I wasn't asking for help. That was just random chat. |
| 21:20.55 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: i realize that .. you could of course install a USB floppy |
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| 21:21.16 | ribnitz | abrotman: an usb 5.25 inch floppy? |
| 21:21.19 | nvz | 5.25" is nothing, who has an 8" floppy drive laying around? |
| 21:21.21 | mono | PerfDave, i have done that already. i only get the error 'No decives detected' |
| 21:21.25 | nvz | thats what I thought. |
| 21:21.28 | walnuck | mono: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:21.44 | ribnitz | nvz: i still got some disks in 8" |
| 21:21.57 | greycat | quit telling him to type the same command over and over, and make him READ the damned FAQ (and his error logs) already. |
| 21:21.58 | PerfDave | mono: there are *no* other lines in the *entire* log file? |
| 21:21.59 | walnuck | ribnitz: 8" are the best |
| 21:22.08 | abrotman | ribnitz: well .. i meant USB 3.5 |
| 21:22.10 | mono | walnuck, i did that already. tried to choose i810 and 1024 screen. nothing |
| 21:22.17 | walnuck | mono: ? |
| 21:22.29 | walnuck | mono: you did what? |
| 21:22.35 | nvz | ribnitz: yeah lots of people do, but do you have an 8" floppy drive? |
| 21:22.45 | ribnitz | nvz: nope. |
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| 21:22.51 | greycat | insert phallic humor. |
| 21:22.59 | PerfDave | mono: Have you hand-edited your X config perchance? "/msg dpkg x md5sum" will tell you how to check, and how to fix it. |
| 21:23.08 | ribnitz | nvz: the computer is the network. I use cds to transport data |
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| 21:23.24 | greycat | ribnitz: then the CD is the network |
| 21:23.42 | PerfDave | CD is just high-bandwith sneakernet ;) |
| 21:23.49 | ribnitz | greycat: CD/DVD for backup. |
| 21:23.50 | abrotman | ribnitz: though .. i gotta say .. if the thing already translates between usb and floppy .. i don't see why you couyldn't redo it for a 5.25 |
| 21:24.14 | PerfDave | I took a backup the other day. Nearly had a heart attack. |
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| 21:24.37 | ribnitz | abrotman: its not about cannot do, its about not being done, because its not worth the effort (economically) |
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| 21:24.59 | abrotman | ribnitz: consider it an academic challenge :) |
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| 21:25.19 | abrotman | hmm .. get a hair cut .. or re-solder the guitar .. |
| 21:25.34 | greycat | clearly the guitar. |
| 21:25.46 | ribnitz | abrotman: true nerds would repair the guitar.. |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | ribnitz: i need a haircut .. badly |
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| 21:26.44 | ribnitz | abrotman: lukily enough, I got rid of hair hanging into the eyes about 6-7 years ago. |
| 21:26.49 | greycat | does the hair interfere with the soldering? |
| 21:26.57 | nvz | the best two hits I get on google for 8 inch floppy are these two images http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/trs80-model2/Image13.jpg http://www.henniker.org.uk/images/old_ads/8inch_floppy.gif I guess price and the speed of technology is why these arent seen or heard of at all.. and eveyone has disks but not drives |
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| 21:27.15 | abrotman | ribnitz: not much left eh? |
| 21:27.38 | ribnitz | abrotman: 3/4 of the head is left. |
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| 21:28.10 | abrotman | ribnitz: you're doing better than my dad .. he's the opposite :) |
| 21:28.34 | ribnitz | abrotman: mine too, but luckily i take after my grandfather |
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| 21:29.03 | jeaneid | su breakx x11 forwarding. Is there a way to correct this |
| 21:29.12 | greycat | don't su. |
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| 21:29.24 | digerati | I apologize in advance for asking a VERY stupid question.. However, I can't figure this out.. I'm not able to view any audio cd's .cda files etc.. I'm able to see them via xmms but not mount.. any ideas.. |
| 21:29.26 | jeaneid | greycat: I need to |
| 21:29.37 | greycat | !FAQ digerati |
| 21:29.38 | dpkg | digerati: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:29.43 | greycat | jeaneid: why do you feel that way? |
| 21:29.50 | walnuck | digerati: an audio cd is not a filesystem |
| 21:29.53 | PerfDave | jeaneid: sux |
| 21:29.57 | greycat | for example, why can't you "su -X root@thehost"? |
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| 21:30.12 | walnuck | digerati: google iso9660 and audio cd standards |
| 21:30.17 | jeaneid | greycat: I have a one user license on a software that I need multiple user access |
| 21:30.18 | greycat | or just read our FAQ. |
| 21:30.29 | digerati | thx |
| 21:30.29 | ugenn | whenever /sbin/init is modified, it will cause umount to report that the fs is busy during reboot/shutdown and not umount it. the next boot will result in fsck being run as / was not cleanly umounted. how do i fix this? note: i'm not actually on debian, so i dont know if this a problem exists on debian too. |
| 21:30.50 | green_earz | jeaneid: login as root ssh -X root@xxxxxxx.com |
| 21:30.50 | PerfDave | ugenn: Why not go ask an IRC channel for the linux distro you're using? |
| 21:30.58 | bazan | How can I know which configuration the dpkg-reconfigure commande is updated by?ù |
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| 21:31.09 | greycat | why the hell would you ask #debian about a bug in a non-debian OS? |
| 21:31.18 | GlitchMaster | :P |
| 21:31.26 | ugenn | PerfDave: cos i build from source. and lfs is a pretty much dead channel. |
| 21:31.28 | FieldySnuts | moronism |
| 21:31.32 | FieldySnuts | @moron ugenn |
| 21:31.34 | ravenbird | ugenn: You are moron #84 |
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| 21:31.38 | PerfDave | ugenn: It's not our fault if #lfs is dead. |
| 21:31.41 | greycat | ugenn: then ask a Linux channel. |
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| 21:31.54 | asuffield | it's even more fun when they file bugs in redhat with debian |
| 21:31.55 | GlitchMaster | Um... who was I getting help from again? |
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| 21:32.03 | GlitchMaster | abrotman. |
| 21:32.03 | jeaneid | PerfDave: what is sux? |
| 21:32.08 | greycat | jeaneid: /msg dpkg sux |
| 21:32.10 | Delph | me me pic me |
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| 21:32.14 | FieldySnuts | wtf is that reasoning, drives me nuts, channel-A doesn't exist or is idle, therefore, unrelated channel-B automatically gets to deal with it. use your brain! |
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| 21:32.38 | fdarling | ugenn: maybe try #gentoo? |
| 21:32.39 | FieldySnuts | wait, it's not any reasoning, n/m |
| 21:32.42 | greycat | 11:13 greycat> FAILURE OF OTHER CHANNELS TO SUPPORT THEIR OWN PRODUCTS DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A LICENSE TO BRING YOUR NON-DEBIAN PROBLEMS TO #DEBIAN! |
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| 21:33.00 | FieldySnuts | wish that could fit in the topic, but they don't read it anyway. |
| 21:33.18 | bazan | Hey I have a fully debian problem |
| 21:33.31 | bazan | i tried to reconfigure xfree |
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| 21:33.43 | bazan | and my configuration file is'n t updated |
| 21:33.45 | GlitchMaster | abrotman: neither ACPI nor APM were enabled. |
| 21:33.45 | bazan | why? |
| 21:33.48 | fdarling | FieldySnuts: i came into #gentoo-pcc for help on quik with debian, hehehe |
| 21:33.56 | bazan | can sommebody help? |
| 21:34.06 | dvs | bazan: you didn't do it as root? |
| 21:34.13 | voda | I want to install my kernel and driver modules threw an http or ftp over the network, now then, i need to configure my network but then i first have to configure the device driver modules, but then he can't find them and im back to the beginning. Anyone know what to do? |
| 21:34.13 | bazan | yes I do |
| 21:34.18 | greycat | because you typed the wrong command? because you didn't read the FAQ? |
| 21:34.24 | justin | !+ x md5sum |
| 21:34.24 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
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| 21:34.37 | greycat | because your ENTER key is acting up, inserting spurious newlines everywhere?> |
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| 21:35.05 | cafuego | greycat: who? |
| 21:35.05 | greycat | (or purge and reinstall the xserver) |
| 21:35.07 | cafuego | greycat: me? |
| 21:35.20 | hmakholm | cafuego: bazan |
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| 21:36.45 | joebob2000 | anyone know when to expect a version of mysql 4.1 thats compatible with the 2.4.x kernel |
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| 21:36.59 | greycat | as opposed to what? |
| 21:37.28 | joujou | i did crontab cronjob, the cron job is in cronscript, does it have to have execute permissions? |
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| 21:37.39 | greycat | joujou: BZZZT. man 5 crontab; man 1 crontab |
| 21:37.49 | joebob2000 | as opposed to the current packages of kernel 2.4.27 and mysql 4.1 that are operationally exclusive |
| 21:37.55 | ribnitz | joujou: yep |
| 21:37.59 | greycat | (and, in general, ANY script you write MUST have the shebang and have +x perms) |
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| 21:38.16 | Delph | uhhm |
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| 21:38.29 | bazan | ok thx dpkg |
| 21:38.57 | voda | I want to install my kernel and driver modules threw an http or ftp over |
| 21:38.57 | voda | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.00 | voda | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.03 | voda | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.11 | PerfDave | !tell voda about enter |
| 21:39.12 | greycat | gods save us.... |
| 21:39.16 | walnuck | voda: #flood can help |
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| 21:39.27 | voda | sorry.. |
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| 21:39.36 | greycat | !FAQ voda |
| 21:39.37 | dpkg | voda: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:39.41 | Delph | voda: find a floppy disc. |
| 21:39.46 | Delph | proceed from there. |
| 21:39.51 | PerfDave | voda: Read the Installation Manual |
| 21:39.56 | voda | i did.. |
| 21:39.57 | greycat | no no. find the FAQ. then proceed. |
| 21:40.08 | greycat | PerfDave: I disagree with that one. He'll end up trying to do woody. |
| 21:40.20 | joebob2000 | anyone got any hints for me? am i stuck making mysql by hand if i want to run it under a 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:40.22 | greycat | PerfDave: which, from the sound of his "question", is where he is stuck *now*. |
| 21:40.24 | walnuck | voda: he knows the problem more than you, you don't know the problem, tell him to rtfm |
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| 21:41.13 | greycat | joebob2000: uh... "What the hell are you talking about?" would be my initial reaction. |
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| 21:42.07 | joebob2000 | greycat: im talking about the issue with mysql 4.1 and kernels, the fact that you cannot run a pkg made under a 2.6 kernel on a system running 2.4... as is the current state of the mysql41 package in deb-testing |
| 21:42.12 | abrotman | GlitchMaster: no clue |
| 21:42.15 | abrotman | i wasn't helping you |
| 21:42.19 | greycat | what's the Debian bug number? |
| 21:42.31 | mono | how do i remove the appletalk services? |
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| 21:42.47 | hmakholm | joebob2000: Where did you pick up "the fact that you cannot run a pkg made under a 2.6 kernel on a system running 2.4"? News to me. |
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| 21:43.03 | ribnitz | mono: apt-get remove, or aptitude |
| 21:43.39 | joebob2000 | hmakholm: um the fact that ive tested it on several systems and its held constant that if i use 2.6.8 it runs great and if i downgrade to 2.4.27 it doesnt run at all |
| 21:43.43 | joebob2000 | you learn something new every day huh |
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| 21:43.55 | walnuck | greycat: shouldn't the tldp be named to tldp-wiki ? the standard docs maintenance (online-web) is a disaster |
| 21:43.57 | greycat | joebob2000: what's the Debian bug number? |
| 21:44.00 | hmakholm | joebob2000: That is not supposed to be the case. File a bug report. |
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| 21:44.36 | joebob2000 | fair enough |
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| 21:45.36 | Om | Should I ask about errors Synaptic is giving about Apache/PHP modules in here, apache channel, or in the php channel? :) |
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| 21:46.32 | PerfDave | greycat: I think both the Sarge and Woody installation manuals detail installing driver modules via floppy. |
| 21:46.38 | Om | :O |
| 21:46.43 | Om | (ter) |
| 21:46.46 | Om | :O |
| 21:46.52 | cafuego | That's OK, there's an eagle coming |
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| 21:47.21 | Om | Noes! |
| 21:47.27 | hmakholm | Om: If the trouble actually comes from Synaptic, the chances are good that it's a Debian problem. |
| 21:47.30 | joebob2000 | does the bug reporting process differ if im using the testing tree of packages? |
| 21:47.31 | Om | But my mighty tortoise godness should scare it away? |
| 21:48.00 | hmakholm | joebob2000: No, but it would be nice if you tried to ascertain whether the 'unstable' package has the same problem. |
| 21:48.15 | Om | hmakholm, it's just whenever I uninstall or install anything then I get errors about libphp5.so not having a coressponding .info file |
| 21:48.16 | greycat | assuming they're different |
| 21:48.35 | Om | And I don't seem to be able to get rid of libapache-mod-php4 |
| 21:48.43 | cafuego | Om: php5 is in debian? |
| 21:48.52 | cafuego | !info libapache-mod-php5 sid |
| 21:48.55 | Om | No |
| 21:48.56 | greycat | PerfDave: if he has to "install modules" from a "floppy" then something is already Very Very Wrong. |
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| 21:49.05 | Om | php5 was made from source |
| 21:49.15 | Om | but it still comes up in synaptic |
| 21:49.17 | cafuego | Well then I don't think it's a debian problem. |
| 21:49.17 | ValTouf | i have a problem with vlc. i'm using debian/sid |
| 21:49.21 | voda | etc/network/interfaces doesnt excist as they say at the faq http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/NetworkingPage#head-3310dfd728ed14ad9a1ce913b67b5893ffd0c13d |
| 21:49.27 | ValTouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.32 | cafuego | Did you at least build a debian apckage from the source? |
| 21:49.34 | ValTouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.39 | Om | but php4 is from a debian package, and I can't get rid of it |
| 21:49.47 | Om | cafuego, no :) |
| 21:49.57 | PerfDave | greycat: He's probably using one of those Windows-only wireless cards ;) |
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| 21:49.58 | cafuego | Om: Sooooooo rooted having done that. |
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| 21:50.03 | joujou | 5 * * * * script will execute the script every 5 minutes or every "at past 5" of every hour? |
| 21:50.08 | joujou | (cron) |
| 21:50.09 | cafuego | joujou: yes |
| 21:50.09 | greycat | PerfDave: in that case, we get to point and laugh. |
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| 21:50.18 | justin | joujou: man 5 crontab ? |
| 21:50.18 | greycat | joujou: the latter, of course. |
| 21:50.20 | PerfDave | ValTouf: (a) you're using sid (b) you're using unofficial packages, you're probably on your own here. |
| 21:50.43 | ValTouf | PerfDave, why unofficial packages? |
| 21:50.47 | joebob2000 | does anyone use mysql 4.1 with kernel 2.4.27 or older? |
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| 21:51.03 | cafuego | Om: You probably have a package that depends on php4. |
| 21:51.11 | thingfish | the drama |
| 21:51.45 | PerfDave | ValTouf: They're coming from videolan, not Debian. |
| 21:51.46 | greycat | &! |
| 21:51.48 | greycat | damn. |
| 21:52.03 | PerfDave | Oryn: Did you install php5 into /usr/local? |
| 21:52.07 | PerfDave | ARgh |
| 21:52.10 | ValTouf | PerfDave, but vlc IS a debian package or did i miss something? |
| 21:52.11 | PerfDave | Om: Did you install php5 into /usr/local? |
| 21:52.25 | cafuego | PerfDave: He left |
| 21:52.26 | greycat | PerfDave: it left. |
| 21:52.26 | joujou | well, call me an idiot, i still can't figure it out :P 5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55,0 * * * * script will do it every 5 minutes then? |
| 21:52.28 | PerfDave | ValTouf: vlc is packaged for Debian, but you appear to be using videolan.org's packages |
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| 21:52.36 | greycat | joujou: yes, it will. |
| 21:52.44 | PerfDave | joujou: It will, but there's a neater way |
| 21:52.48 | cafuego | joujou: */5 * * * * script |
| 21:52.48 | greycat | you can also use */5 as a shortcut for that first field on Linux. |
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| 21:52.59 | ValTouf | PerfDave, how can i find out which one i'm usig? |
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| 21:53.09 | PerfDave | ValTouf: apt-cache policy |
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| 21:53.38 | PerfDave | ValTouf: But if you're running sid and you can't fix a dependency problem, you probably should consider reinstalling with Sarge which is less prone to these issues. |
| 21:54.24 | ValTouf | PerfDave, but i don't want to reinstall :( and sarge doesn't have the security fixes... |
| 21:54.33 | PerfDave | ValTouf: sid doesn't have security fixes either |
| 21:54.49 | PerfDave | ValTouf: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 21:55.38 | ValTouf | PerfDave, apt-cache policy returns all at 500 exept local... |
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| 21:56.04 | esac | i started a netinst, i specified the mirror that i wanted to use, but it turned out to be slow. i am in aptitude right now, is there a way to switch the mirror now ? |
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| 21:56.25 | greycat | esac: ctrl-c, get out, stop it, change sources.list, apt-get update, etc. |
| 21:56.28 | TheoMurpse | argh i keep joining the wrong channel...stupid muscle-trained fingers! |
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| 21:57.38 | joujou | cool it worked. I learnt how to create cron jobs, how to create checksums, compare files, view different man pages of one command (ala man 1 crontab and man 5 crontab). Thanks for putting up with this newbie |
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| 21:59.44 | EricBlade | i know this is off topic, but anyone know a dal-net irc server that's functioning? |
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| 22:00.00 | joebob2000 | i was just on dal a few min ago and things were fine |
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| 22:05.06 | joebob2000 | anyone seen an error like this in mysql-4.1? [ERROR] bdb: unable to initialize mutex: Function not implemented |
| 22:05.43 | esac | greycat: thanks, i did what you did and now when i restart aptitude, the initial list of packages that are needed for a base system arent there. any idea how i get that list back ? |
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| 22:06.56 | paulswm | joujou: if you are using X, you might want to try out man2html if you are going to be reading manpages a lot |
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| 22:08.21 | paulswm | !test |
| 22:08.21 | dpkg | No, paulswm, you're not online any more. |
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| 22:08.44 | greycat | esac: you didn't have the *base* installed yet? how could you run aptitude without them? |
| 22:09.28 | PerfDave | Right, I've got a reasonably fresh Sarge install, and I'd like my USB compact flash reader to be recognised so I can mount the CF card. I did this on my old woody-upgraded sid install using usbmgr, but usbmgr wants to remove hotplug which seems like a bad idea. Suggestions? |
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| 22:09.52 | Oryn | PerfDave: urm sorry dude I have not installed php5 |
| 22:09.56 | Delph | PerfDave: (i always just plugged the thing in and looked in dmesg) |
| 22:10.19 | lchen | hi, ppl. I am running into problems installing debian on my new pc. |
| 22:10.24 | joujou | paulswm: i usually do this: man -t $1 | ps2pdf - > /tmp/$1.pdf then read the pdf, but man2html looks interestnig |
| 22:10.30 | lchen | my new pc has a SATA harddrive |
| 22:10.38 | PerfDave | Delph: That's what I *used* to do, now when I plug it in I don't see any output in dmesg or /var/log/messages |
| 22:10.42 | jsm | damn stupid 2.6.. after installing the 2.6 kernel in sarge the box repeatedly goes into maintenance mode.. keeps fskcing the same drive.. says it contains errors |
| 22:10.48 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 22:10.49 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 22:10.52 | paulswm | joujou: it's good, nice search facility too |
| 22:11.01 | Delph | hmm, you sure you've got mass storage, scsi emulation and so on there? |
| 22:11.11 | jsm | greycat: i'd happily give you more than that |
| 22:11.24 | Delph | jsm: provided this made it work in 2.6 ? |
| 22:11.25 | greycat | keep in mind, that doesn't make it *wor*... |
| 22:11.28 | greycat | work* |
| 22:11.28 | PerfDave | Delph: Shouldn't hotplug / discover load those for me? I'm using a stock debian kernel-image, it's not complaining about the modules not being available. |
| 22:11.39 | paulswm | joujou: actually you can get everything in htlm if you want, man pages, GNU Info stuff so you don't have to use the dreaded info interface |
| 22:11.46 | Delph | PerfDave: no idea, not a hotplug monkey, but i remember playing modprobe for a while. |
| 22:11.56 | lchen | I was trying to install the netinst vversion, but it can' |
| 22:11.58 | paulswm | *html |
| 22:12.03 | PerfDave | It's a bit cack if I have to manually modprobe stuff :/ |
| 22:12.05 | lchen | it can't detect my SATA harddrive |
| 22:12.06 | Delph | then again i'm not a great fan of having it do everything for me, instead i kinda fiddle till it works =:) |
| 22:12.13 | greycat | lchen: *which* net inst version? |
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| 22:12.16 | Delph | i haven't had to modprobe for aages. |
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| 22:12.35 | Delph | see if lsmod is mentioning them |
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| 22:12.38 | joebob2000 | hey do i get cashback if i say things like xxx works in 2.6 and not in 2.4? |
| 22:12.39 | jsm | Delph: all i know is that i was chugging along fine in 2.4, went to 2.6, and the machine is routinely booting into maintenance mode |
| 22:12.41 | lchen | greycat.. what I meant was I was installing it from the netinst CD |
| 22:12.50 | lchen | greycat..sarge version. |
| 22:12.54 | joujou | paulswm: are the man pages already converted or do i have to convert them everytime? i usually use apropos and whatis for search and grep on the manual page to search for something. |
| 22:13.09 | greycat | lchen: *shrug* try #debian-boot or the mailing lists. I don't know SATA controllers. |
| 22:13.16 | PerfDave | Delph: They're not currently loaded. I'd expect them to be loaded when I inserted the device. |
| 22:13.30 | lchen | ok coo..thnx |
| 22:13.31 | paulswm | joujou: once you've set it up, it gets updated automagically |
| 22:13.33 | Delph | evidently hotplug isn't working - why not just have them load on bootup |
| 22:13.34 | green_earz | lchen: check out a current version > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050109/ |
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| 22:13.48 | maxovrr | hi, how could i reinstall lilo if i havent diskete?? its posible to load debian again with cd?? |
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| 22:14.03 | PerfDave | Delph: Because there's almost certainly a way to make this work, since I've made it work before. |
| 22:14.05 | joujou | on a side note: why does gedit and bluefish editor create foo~ files EVERYWHERE and never deletes them :/ |
| 22:14.08 | daft | If do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 what config file is it editing? |
| 22:14.14 | PerfDave | daft: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 22:14.23 | paulswm | joujou: you in Manchester? |
| 22:14.27 | joujou | paulswm: how to set it up? |
| 22:14.28 | Delph | PerfDave: in 2.6 ? |
| 22:14.29 | joujou | yes |
| 22:14.35 | PerfDave | Delph: Yes, it worked in 2.6 |
| 22:14.46 | joujou | Manchester UK, not USA |
| 22:14.47 | paulswm | joujou: install it |
| 22:14.49 | Delph | PerfDave: no idea. much fiddling and poking. |
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| 22:15.00 | joujou | it's installed. |
| 22:15.05 | Delph | oh there's thousands of them. |
| 22:15.06 | daft | perldave why is that? |
| 22:15.25 | Delph | daft: do it; then you shall be rewarded with information that may please you. |
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| 22:16.14 | PerfDave | Wow, there's just one halls.manchester.ac.uk now? I pine for the days of grimoire.wrh.umisc.ac.uk :) |
| 22:16.21 | paulswm | joujou: I live in Florida now, but I did a contract for TSB in Altrincham a couple of decades ago, nice place |
| 22:16.21 | PerfDave | s/umisc/umist/ |
| 22:16.32 | PerfDave | Since when was Altrincham a nice place? ;) |
| 22:16.36 | PerfDave | We should get ricky_clarkson in here ;) |
| 22:16.58 | Delph | it'd be like some sort of crazy reunion? |
| 22:17.00 | joujou | PerfDave: those days are gone, there is no UMIST any more |
| 22:17.00 | paulswm | PerfDave: well I liked it, perhaps it was where I was living |
| 22:17.02 | PerfDave | !tell LC-Away about away |
| 22:17.07 | PerfDave | joujou: Yes, I'm aware of the merger |
| 22:17.20 | daft | I just wonder where the file dpkg reconfigured goes to Becose I know what I need to type (btw isnt this verry confusing for guys who dont go to #debian? |
| 22:17.21 | joujou | Altrincham is not that bad, certainly better than many parts of manchester |
| 22:17.32 | PerfDave | daft: Why do you need to know this? |
| 22:17.58 | PerfDave | joujou: I'm looking at moving to Manchester soon |
| 22:18.04 | thingfish | are those parts of London? |
| 22:18.09 | paulswm | thingfish: no |
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| 22:18.14 | thingfish | or separate cities |
| 22:18.19 | joebob2000 | anyone got thoughts as to why a 2.6 kernel would run great but a 2.6-smp kernel crashes on scsi device init, matching 2.4 and 2.4-smp kernels both work |
| 22:18.19 | paulswm | thingfish: yes |
| 22:18.21 | thingfish | ok |
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| 22:18.36 | joebob2000 | all are the latest debian pkgs |
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| 22:18.48 | GOD | Hi |
| 22:19.03 | zamson | Hi im using this script on my debian sarge to share my internet connection, vpn works great however i cant forward ports. Lets say for instance i want to route port 412 to my desktop i put this in the config $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $INET_IFACE -p tcp --dport 412 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.3:412 |
| 22:19.03 | zamson | ...any ideas? This is th script http://dostro.ondska.com/fw/rc.fwrules |
| 22:19.05 | daft | perldave some wit fucked my pc and now i gona restore it edited some thing from during the 1st X config and now i cant change it. wird md5 checksums nice |
| 22:19.05 | PerfDave | joujou: Which kernel image packages, and which versions? Have you checked the BTS? |
| 22:19.06 | paulswm | !nickometer GOD |
| 22:19.06 | dpkg | 'GOD' is 27.000% lame, paulswm |
| 22:19.13 | Delph | parts of london? |
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| 22:19.14 | GOD | I need prey |
| 22:19.29 | joujou | PerfDave: wrong person you're asking |
| 22:19.33 | jsm | what's the best way to determine if a drive is physically gone bad? |
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| 22:19.39 | PerfDave | !perldave daft |
| 22:19.40 | dpkg | FFS, daft, it's "PerfDave", not "PerlDave". |
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| 22:19.50 | PerfDave | joebob2000: Which kernel image packages, and which versions? Have you checked the BTS? |
| 22:19.50 | Delph | jsm: RTM it, and see if they charge you. |
| 22:19.54 | thingfish | well, I was kind of thinking manchester was a city. |
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| 22:20.01 | kensai | !nickometer kensai |
| 22:20.07 | paulswm | jsm: errors in syslog, nasty click-click, click-click from drive |
| 22:20.17 | kensai | kool 0.000% |
| 22:20.28 | GOD | DarkTide_: You are my prey, IM GOD |
| 22:20.34 | DarkTide_ | WTF? |
| 22:20.37 | jsbiff | Is the 'maximum stack size' something that is compiled into the kernel at compile time? Or is it something that can be adjusted? |
| 22:20.39 | GOD | Debian rules |
| 22:20.42 | GOD | rulez |
| 22:20.45 | GOD | I use Hoary |
| 22:20.48 | PerfDave | daft: If you've hand edited your X config, then dpkg-reconfigure won't work, which is what "/msg dpkg x md5sum" will tell you, along with how to fix it. |
| 22:20.50 | GOD | Bleeding edge BABY |
| 22:20.53 | GOD | yeh |
| 22:20.58 | PerfDave | GOD: Hoary is not Debian. |
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| 22:21.02 | PerfDave | !tell GOD about enter |
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| 22:21.08 | DarkTide_ | GOD: Haha |
| 22:21.11 | thingfish | a quick /ignore is in order. |
| 22:21.13 | CSWookie | GOD: So, by debian, you mean ubuntu? |
| 22:21.15 | joebob2000 | PerfDave theres no bugs that i could find for the 2.6 kernels, im using 2.4.27-686 and 2.6.8-686 w/ and w/o smp and the only one that comes up and crashes is the 2.6 smp |
| 22:21.24 | daft | btw there is a nice bug in the sarge installer |
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| 22:21.36 | GOD | I love debian |
| 22:21.40 | PerfDave | daft: Tell #debian-boot about it, or check the errata |
| 22:21.43 | jonesy | !tell me about enter |
| 22:21.44 | GOD | Debian rules |
| 22:21.47 | joujou | err, this xchat thing is no good any more, i need a better IRC client |
| 22:21.50 | jsbiff | I'm trying to run Cedega on Debian, and when it launches, it gives a warning that the maximum stack size on your distribution may not be large enough |
| 22:21.58 | kensai | GOD, Hoary is not debian |
| 22:22.00 | PerfDave | joujou: irssi is the One True IRC Client ;) |
| 22:22.02 | paulswm | GOD: well get rid of ubuntu and install it then |
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| 22:22.09 | DarkTide_ | GOD: Stop acting like a bot. |
| 22:22.16 | GOD | IM NOT A BOT!!!! |
| 22:22.19 | neenee | egh |
| 22:22.23 | PerfDave | No, bots have better spelling :) |
| 22:22.24 | GOD | Im too smart to be a bot |
| 22:22.29 | GOD | I love debian, i use linux |
| 22:22.35 | neenee | we all do |
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| 22:22.43 | PerfDave | GOD: But why don't you use Debian if you love it so? |
| 22:22.58 | GOD | I have the version of debian with anti |
| 22:23.02 | vladster | could anyone direct me to a source for apt that would include multimedia apps |
| 22:23.09 | GOD | I use the mandrake debian |
| 22:23.17 | jcole | !smite GOD |
| 22:23.18 | GOD | ith the suse browser |
| 22:23.22 | Kane32 | vladster: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
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| 22:23.30 | neenee | i think he's doing this intentionally - acting stupid i mean. |
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| 22:23.42 | paulswm | I never thought I'd say this, but can someone like put GOD in the wood chipper please |
| 22:23.44 | neenee | (wow, really neenee? yes..) |
| 22:23.52 | paulswm | oh, goner |
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| 22:23.56 | paulswm | *gone |
| 22:24.02 | paulswm | crap |
| 22:24.02 | GOD | NO WOOD CHIPPER! |
| 22:24.07 | kensai | GOD is acting stupid? I didn't realized it LOL |
| 22:24.32 | joebob2000 | first a tsunami in asia and now this |
| 22:24.36 | joebob2000 | these really are the end days |
| 22:24.36 | GOD | DOn't put me in wood chipper |
| 22:24.45 | CSWookie | Intriguing... I wonder who is running the GOD-bot... after all it wasn't here when the wood-chipper comment was made. |
| 22:24.45 | valdyn | jsbiff: you can either upgrade to a 2.6 kernel or disable pthreads in cedega ( see www.transgaming.org or their faq for more info ) |
| 22:24.46 | kensai | joebob2000, lol |
| 22:25.04 | GOD | I am not a bot :( |
| 22:25.07 | PerfDave | !ops can we have a +q for GOD please? |
| 22:25.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: can we have a +q for GOD please |
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| 22:25.15 | paulswm | CSWookie: yes, I noticed that |
| 22:25.16 | helix | hahahahahaha |
| 22:25.24 | CSWookie | GOD: Well, whatever you are, you've failed the Turing test. |
| 22:25.24 | helix | ok, sorry, that's funny |
| 22:25.32 | joebob2000 | everyone knows god uses openbsd |
| 22:25.35 | Delph | CSWookie: i have a feeling its just a machine thats been borrowed from someone. |
| 22:25.40 | jsm | the machine boots, it says there are errors, it fscks the disk, doesn't find any, I reboot, and it repeats the same cycle |
| 22:25.45 | joebob2000 | being omniscient is the only way anyone could understand the damn thing |
| 22:26.02 | helix | PerfDave: I don't know if we're supposed to show our (non-)religious affiliations x:P |
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| 22:26.25 | PerfDave | So nobody has any idea how to get Sarge to detect when I plug in my USB compact flash reader so I can get these damn pictures off this CF card? |
| 22:26.32 | GOD | I did NOT fail the turing test |
| 22:26.45 | daft | perfdave I have dont it but it isnt working fking X is still probing every thing and I dont know what X config it is readying |
| 22:26.52 | neenee | god just wants attention |
| 22:26.57 | daft | i have done it* |
| 22:27.00 | CSWookie | GOD: You did to. I think you're a bot. Thus, you've failed the turing test. |
| 22:27.00 | GOD | I am REALLY a God |
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| 22:27.22 | daft | he isnt god my vader isnt that stupid |
| 22:27.32 | verus | what percentage of space does debian on default give to ext3 filesystems? My disk is 111G, and 90G are used, yet df reports that 100G are used |
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| 22:27.38 | LoRez | maybe someone should tell him the turing test is for AI, not gods. |
| 22:27.41 | CSWookie | daft: vader? |
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| 22:27.45 | neenee | lord vader |
| 22:27.47 | neenee | :) |
| 22:27.48 | GOD | I AM better than VADAR |
| 22:27.48 | GOD | err I am better than vader |
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| 22:28.05 | jazzmans | !abuse GOD |
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| 22:28.10 | joujou | what's an ignore message in irc |
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| 22:28.13 | jsm | the machine boots, it says there are errors, it fscks the disk, doesn't find any, I reboot, and it repeats the same cycle.. . I think this is the problem "hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }" I just have hard time believing it perfectly coinciding with me switching to the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:28.23 | Delph | jsm: aye, i had that |
| 22:28.28 | neenee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:28.29 | Delph | bascially it was disk about to go pop. |
| 22:28.29 | daft | neenee stupid mix op of mulilang |
| 22:28.34 | neenee | daft: ? |
| 22:28.39 | neenee | daft: oh, ok :) |
| 22:28.43 | neenee | daft: don't worry about it :) |
| 22:28.46 | Delph | jsm: my disk did actually decide to die a short while later. |
| 22:28.49 | jsm | Delph: but it didn't happen until i install 2.6? did that happen to you? |
| 22:28.54 | neenee | daft: i was just kidding :) |
| 22:28.58 | Delph | jsm: the disk died after i installed 2.6 |
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| 22:29.06 | Delph | however the disk was also dead after i'd finished with it |
| 22:29.13 | Delph | so either 2.6 killed the disk, or it was random. |
| 22:29.23 | Delph | or 2.6 is better at detecting and warning about these things. |
| 22:29.28 | daft | what i worry about is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree and some bug in the sarge installer that removed a nice partiton with 30 gig of nice data |
| 22:29.30 | daft | > |
| 22:29.34 | jsm | Delph: i find it hard to believe that 2 of us both had a dead disk after we installed 2.6 |
| 22:29.43 | Delph | jsm: this was about 6 months after i installed 2.6 |
| 22:29.44 | jsm | Delph: meaning that it was random |
| 22:29.55 | jsm | Delph: this is the same day for me :) |
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| 22:30.05 | Delph | jsm: ah, probably just coincidence then. |
| 22:30.15 | Delph | the disk isn't dead, you'll just be losing bits of it. |
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| 22:30.16 | vladster | that made a diff, tnx |
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| 22:30.23 | Delph | definitely a copy as much off as you can as soon as possible. |
| 22:30.38 | FabFidenza | pls, which is the command to setup the videocard and the monitor ? |
| 22:30.53 | PerfDave | FabFidenza: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:30.58 | doub | jsm: chances are errors will pop up more and more frequently, your disk seems like dying |
| 22:31.00 | valdyn | jsm: this doesnt have to be the disk at all. For me that msg came most likely due to a bug in the siimage driver |
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| 22:31.21 | daft | perfdave about that sublect i did that md5sum xconfig > var/lib/ennz and it isnt working |
| 22:31.27 | Delph | valdyn: whats siimage? |
| 22:31.37 | daft | this is a clean sarge 1 hour old |
| 22:31.47 | doub | Delph: an disk controller driver |
| 22:31.51 | FabFidenza | PerfDave: thanx |
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| 22:31.53 | valdyn | Delph: a driver for a silicon image chipset ata interface |
| 22:31.57 | Delph | doub: specific disk controller, or a general one? |
| 22:31.58 | Delph | ah. |
| 22:32.04 | PerfDave | /var/lib/ennz? |
| 22:32.21 | soulfly | anyone know how to make licq interpret or send anything other than Unicode on special characters (f.i. swedish) ? The codetable in the settings wont do anything good |
| 22:32.31 | daft | the /msg dpkg x md5sum |
| 22:32.32 | PerfDave | daft: Did you execute the other command o see whether your md5sum needed overwriting in the first place? |
| 22:33.04 | daft | i edited the file |
| 22:33.13 | PerfDave | That factoid doesn't mention any "/var/lib/ennz" file |
| 22:33.14 | daft | so im shure it isnt the same |
| 22:34.16 | daft | perfdave im in colsole an i dont like to type al that kind of stuff |
| 22:34.53 | doub | daft: gpm is your friend |
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| 22:35.23 | PerfDave | daft: If you don't type it, it won't work |
| 22:35.47 | PerfDave | daft: use screen's built-in copy-and-paste methods if you're that lazy |
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| 22:35.57 | daft | perfdave: you are one of a kind do you think i typed enz in a cosole I have tab there |
| 22:36.08 | daft | !rape perfdave |
| 22:36.09 | RememberPOL | Hey all-- does Debian Sarge use kernel 2.4 ? |
| 22:36.19 | PerfDave | daft: I don't know what you typed, I'm not psychic. |
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| 22:36.30 | PerfDave | daft: Well, if you're going to be like that, you can fucking well get someone else to help you. |
| 22:36.40 | PerfDave | RememberPOL: If you tell it to, yes. |
| 22:37.02 | daft | perfdave the lowerst line of the /msg dpkg x md5sum I told you that |
| 22:37.03 | RememberPOL | PerfDave.... I mean the "standard install" |
| 22:37.13 | green_earz | RememberPOL: by default 2.4 |
| 22:37.18 | PerfDave | RememberPOL: You can install Sarge with a 2.4 or a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:37.28 | simonm | Is it possible that screens hardcopy-method is kind of buggy? I use 'screen -S $i -X hardcopy $i.txt' in a cron-script, but sometimes the output is empty (whereas $i is something screen -ls has given me) |
| 22:37.30 | RememberPOL | for comparison.... Woody uses 2.2 and that's why I'm installing Sarge now because I can't get my USB mouse to work! lol |
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| 22:37.55 | PerfDave | RememberPOL: You can install a 2.4 kernel on Woody at install time or after you've installed it. |
| 22:37.59 | PerfDave | !faq RememberPOL |
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| 22:38.00 | dpkg | RememberPOL: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 22:38.40 | joujou | erm, just installed irssi /NETWORK is not recognised |
| 22:38.41 | daft | sigh |
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| 22:39.08 | PerfDave | What is /NETWORK supposed to do? |
| 22:39.33 | rdancer | what's the kernel option to switch the dma for /dev/hda ? |
| 22:39.44 | rdancer | *switch off |
| 22:39.46 | joujou | http://irssi.org/?page=docs&doc=startup-HOWTO#c3 |
| 22:39.56 | Delph | rdancer: nosey at hddparm or something |
| 22:39.58 | Delph | hdparm even. |
| 22:40.03 | Delph | oh, something like that. |
| 22:40.19 | rdancer | there's no hdparam at kernel commandline, sorry |
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| 22:40.28 | rdancer | i mean grub commandline |
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| 22:40.44 | doub | rdancer: you can have a look at bootparam-howto on tldp |
| 22:41.03 | Delph | oh at bootup. |
| 22:41.13 | Delph | yeah, there'll be a flag to set. |
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| 22:41.47 | PerfDave | joujou: Strange, I just use /connect -ircnet foo server |
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| 22:42.17 | Phated | Or /server foo.bar |
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| 22:42.49 | PerfDave | Phated: Not useful for multiple servers |
| 22:43.01 | Phated | Or /server +baz.bash |
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| 22:43.37 | crypt | anybody here is using hal + udev + gnome-volume-manager? |
| 22:43.44 | Delph | Phated: connect is the way forward : you dont get the extra server window. |
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| 22:44.09 | streuner_ | crypt: apt-get remove udev |
| 22:44.17 | Phated | Oh that's cool. Granted I never really need a new server so getting a new window when I do doesn't bother me. |
| 22:45.04 | MacDaddy | OK guys! How does one keep an deb install that is best suited for currrent but not broken software upgradable on newer but afforable hardware? Which pool, how? What hardware? |
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| 22:45.40 | Phated | One gets real and buys a secondhand computer and uses sarge. |
| 22:46.38 | daft | perfdave: btw I know what the command "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree85/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" sould do but i have a fealing it doing some thing else |
| 22:46.58 | daft | it compaces XF86config-4.md5sum and - |
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| 22:47.04 | MacDaddy | So you don't think Sid can be tamed? |
| 22:47.20 | Phated | Sure it can. |
| 22:47.27 | Delph | daft: but what does - normally represent? |
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| 22:47.36 | Phated | But you specified "not broken". |
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| 22:47.53 | si|vercat | whats an easy way if I want to copy mail from pop to mailbox, and it happens automatically? :P |
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| 22:48.00 | Laney | right, where do i allow hosts other than localhost to connect to an in.telnetd? |
| 22:48.03 | doub | Delph: standard input |
| 22:48.08 | MacDaddy | Do you agree that one should go with Sid and pin to testing ELSE go testing and select Sid packs? |
| 22:48.16 | doub | Delph: in this case, the output of md5sum |
| 22:48.26 | Delph | doub: i know that =:) |
| 22:48.27 | Phated | No, I don't. Why the heck would one need to mix one's sources? |
| 22:48.30 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: No, you shouldn't run Sid unless you're something of a Debian guru. And for most users there's no point in doing so. |
| 22:48.31 | daft | delph - |
| 22:48.44 | rdancer | d-i sucks. i have noted ~10 glitches |
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| 22:48.46 | PerfDave | "go with sid and pin to testing"? I think MacDaddy doesn't understand what he's talking about. |
| 22:48.47 | MacDaddy | Pin some to testing (teh broken) |
| 22:49.03 | Phated | Forget about it. Everything breaks on a regular basis. |
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| 22:49.15 | Phated | It's sid. That's what it does. |
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| 22:49.23 | daft | sorry nm |
| 22:49.56 | MacDaddy | PerfDave, Good point. Isn't there anything major Sid offers then? I can read all day and still not get wise advice, if you know what I mean. Thanks for your view. |
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| 22:50.08 | MaRcIo | what up |
| 22:50.32 | rdancer | MacDaddy: a debian that is broken. we simply needed one, it's so hard to get any other way... |
| 22:50.54 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: There is no point in the vast majority of people running sid. People with clue who are prepared to put up with potential serious system fuckups run sid to test it. |
| 22:51.10 | daft | btw sorry all but im a little unstable this day was working with on remote root at school and some smart ass typed rm -rf when i looked in my book |
| 22:51.12 | MacDaddy | rdancer, what? Say again plaese |
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| 22:51.24 | MaRcIo | if i configure / make / make install a program which is on desktop how do i get it installed? |
| 22:51.29 | MaRcIo | *where |
| 22:51.39 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 22:51.41 | jazzmans | my /home directory is growing constantly, and keeps filling up all available space, about a gig a day, Can anyone suggest how to figure out what the hell is using all my space? running pure debian sarge X86. I've installed amule, but the .amule directory isn't growing, so I don't know what is causing this. |
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| 22:51.59 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: If you configure / make /make install software, it goes all over apt's space and fucks your system. |
| 22:52.06 | PerfDave | jazzmans: du -sh ~/* |
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| 22:52.21 | jazzmans | yeah, I did that PerfDave, but nothing looked too out of whack. |
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| 22:53.01 | doub | jazzmans: depending on your version of amule, you can have temp files with holes, ie they report as being 100mb where they only use 1mb on disk |
| 22:53.01 | streuner_ | jazzmans: locate pr0n |
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| 22:53.05 | MacDaddy | Whoa! THanks PerfDave ! |
| 22:53.06 | MaRcIo | where are the normal programs installed when u install them? |
| 22:53.17 | PerfDave | MaRcIo: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 22:53.25 | doub | jazzmans: depending on the tool you use, available space will be reported by different means |
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| 22:53.44 | streuner_ | MaRclo: /usr/, /usr/bin, /sbin/ |
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| 22:53.57 | streuner_ | !urslocal |
| 22:54.03 | MaRcIo | thx |
| 22:54.03 | streuner_ | !usrlocal |
| 22:54.11 | dpkg | When hand-compiling software, *always* install into /usr/local (normally with ./configure --prefix=/usr/local). Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: equivs, FHS, /opt |
| 22:54.12 | MaRcIo | !u |
| 22:54.14 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:54.15 | MacDaddy | Does that mean is a compile a module (to fix dead hardware) it may muck up the system? |
| 22:54.19 | MacDaddy | IF |
| 22:54.37 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: What module are you talking about? |
| 22:54.53 | jazzmans | when I run kdiskfree, I can sit and watch my /home folder space being used up. I deleted everything in .amule and shut amule down, and the creep still continues. Are there any logs in /home that I'm not aware of that could be consuming space? I booted a knoppix disk and ran updated fprot and rkhunter with no results. |
| 22:55.04 | Varg66 | !gentoo |
| 22:55.04 | dpkg | i guess gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 22:55.26 | MacDaddy | ACX_pci or NDISwrapper or etc... |
| 22:55.44 | Varg66 | !/opt |
| 22:55.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, /opt is for crap what /usr/local is for well-behaving software. See usrlocal, FHS |
| 22:55.50 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: Those are kernel modules, which work differently. ndiswrapper is inherently broken though. |
| 22:56.07 | PerfDave | !ndiswrapper |
| 22:56.07 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper is evil, because if a vendor can make users use a windows driver for their product, why should they bother writing a Linux one? Don't use it, email your hardware manufacturer and ask them for a REAL Linux driver, or choose different hardware. |
| 22:56.13 | doub | jazzmans: 'du -s home/.*' will tell you used space of all hidden directories |
| 22:56.35 | MacDaddy | PerfDave, Because of platform dependance? |
| 22:56.43 | CSWookie | Bah. ndiswrapper made my wireless work. |
| 22:56.52 | CSWookie | I am so a fan. |
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| 22:57.18 | nvz | man gameboys even today are pretty stupid. I just turned on that GBA SP and sat there for 25minutes watching 4 different characters have conversation bubbles and not do anything. |
| 22:57.24 | MacDaddy | Do you recomend an ethernet bridge. Anyone actually use one (a wireless one)? |
| 22:57.37 | MacDaddy | ...course that's $50 UDS |
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| 22:57.42 | MacDaddy | USD |
| 22:57.44 | PerfDave | CSWookie: You should've gotten real wireless ;) |
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| 22:58.00 | CSWookie | PerfDave: My dad bought it. Making it free. |
| 22:58.04 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: Fuck platform dependance. People using ndiswrapper *encourage* platform dependance. |
| 22:58.08 | PerfDave | CSWookie: No, you're keeping it caged. |
| 22:58.11 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Real wireless would have cost money. |
| 22:58.26 | PerfDave | CSWookie: *shrug* Ask your dad to swap it then. |
| 22:58.27 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Works fine. |
| 22:58.38 | PerfDave | CSWookie: Nope, it requires a Windows driver. |
| 22:58.42 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Not worth the extra expenditure. |
| 22:58.46 | PerfDave | That's not "working fine" by any sane definition. |
| 22:58.53 | PerfDave | CSWookie: Why not just stick with Windows? |
| 22:58.53 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Which I have. Problem is solved. |
| 22:59.03 | PerfDave | CSWookie: Not really. |
| 22:59.05 | MacDaddy | PerfDave, Yeah well you pays your money ands you takes yer chances. I suppose you never got hosed? |
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| 22:59.25 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: No, I've always checked that the hardware I buy is Linux compatiable. Can't say it's ever caused me a problem. |
| 22:59.43 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Because I don't particularly care for windows' interface, and can't afford the necesary liscenses to match the funtionality I get for free from linux. |
| 23:00.11 | PerfDave | CSWookie: But you're still prepared to support the Windows-centric tech world by buying hardware which doesn't work on Linux? |
| 23:00.21 | Phated | So why not actually support linux by using something linux-compatible and ensuring that people who produce Linux-compatible will continue doing so? |
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| 23:00.35 | CSWookie | PerfDave: It does work on Linux. I'm talking to you with it. |
| 23:00.46 | smurfd | quick question, about when did Evolution 2.0 enter Testing? |
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| 23:00.53 | Phated | You mean with like a module to modprobe? |
| 23:01.03 | PerfDave | CSWookie: No, requiring ndiswrapper and a Windows-only driver is not "working on linux" |
| 23:01.04 | CSWookie | Phated: Because that costs money I don't have. |
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| 23:01.09 | pw | Phated: Yes. It uses Madwifi. |
| 23:01.15 | MacDaddy | I totally agree. |
| 23:01.20 | CSWookie | PerfDave: I'm running Linux, and it's working. |
| 23:01.25 | nvz | smurfd: read the changelog or something.. a random group of debian users doesnt eitehr know or care such things |
| 23:01.26 | CSWookie | PerfDave: QED |
| 23:01.27 | PerfDave | CSWookie: ...with a Windows driver |
| 23:01.39 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Software is software. |
| 23:01.48 | Phated | CSWookie: Cool. |
| 23:01.59 | Phated | Hm. |
| 23:02.03 | Phated | Sorry, no, not cool. |
| 23:02.11 | Phated | pw: That's cool. |
| 23:02.12 | nvz | as if I could look at my calandar and see when I marked evolution going into testing |
| 23:02.13 | PerfDave | CSWookie: No, it isn't. |
| 23:02.16 | CSWookie | Phated: That's ok. |
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| 23:02.27 | PerfDave | CSWookie: Windows drivers means less stuff working on Linux. |
| 23:02.43 | nvz | they dont make calandars big enough to write all that in significant shit on |
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| 23:02.59 | smurfd | nvz, no no, no worries. Was just wondering if anyone knew.. been away for 3 weeks, upgraded and it was there :) |
| 23:03.05 | dondelelcaro | nvz: not like it would matter.... |
| 23:03.18 | jazzmans | doub: is there any way to run the du command consecutively, and have some other program show the differences in sizes of each directory to pin down which directory is filling up? (IOW some program to run DU multiple times and automatically compare folder sizes?) |
| 23:03.22 | MacDaddy | Still NDIS is current solution for one $15 "g" card at this time. BUT this is why (If I'm getting out MY wallet), I'm asking about a wireless ethernet BRIDGE (indepenant linux OS) for about $50. |
| 23:03.26 | dondelelcaro | smurfd: this sort of thing is why there are testing scripts... if you read the output from the runs of them, you'll know. |
| 23:03.28 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Only for your bozo definition of working. If you use a more functional definition, then the stuff is working in Linux. |
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| 23:03.44 | nvz | no, I certainly dont see what it matters |
| 23:03.52 | doub | jazzmans: watch, maybe? there is an option to hilight differences between runs |
| 23:03.58 | doub | jazzmans: see 'man watch' |
| 23:03.59 | jazzmans | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.04 | smurfd | im glad its there fyi, and was just curious. dont bite my head of please.. |
| 23:04.09 | nvz | those who cared of such things would know is what I think. |
| 23:04.10 | jazzmans | thanks, i'll research watch doub. |
| 23:04.11 | MacDaddy | THe Q is do you use an ethernet wireless bridge and therefore do you recomend it. It's practically driverless. |
| 23:04.21 | pw | CSWookie: There's no Linux driver. There's a rather clever but ugly hack that lets you use a Windows driver, but that's certainly not "working in Linux". |
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| 23:04.28 | petemc | MacDaddy: i do |
| 23:04.28 | dondelelcaro | smurfd: if you're not sure when something will propogate, then /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
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| 23:04.52 | smurfd | dondelelcaro, ahh okey. Thanks!! |
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| 23:04.56 | gass | is here someone related with the bluefish packaging? |
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| 23:05.14 | nvz | gass: nope, that would be.. |
| 23:05.14 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Anyway, I have a wireless nic which can access the internet. You have zealotry. It's win-win. |
| 23:05.20 | nvz | !maint bluefish |
| 23:05.22 | dondelelcaro | smurfd: hey, you're head's still attached... but we can arrange for Mr. Ketch or Monseuir Gillotine to come in if you'd like |
| 23:05.23 | dpkg | bluefish: Davide Puricelli (evo) <evo@debian.org> |
| 23:05.29 | daft | Guys I dont know what it is I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but it is still autoprobing in the /var/log/xfree86 it going the proble all the ranges from 2048x1536 to 400x300 but i have set it to 1024x786 70mhz |
| 23:05.35 | PerfDave | CSWookie: I don't have zealotry, I have pragmatism. |
| 23:05.46 | gass | nvz: mailded him , and did not respond |
| 23:05.48 | Phated | daft: Did you do the md5sum thing? |
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| 23:05.57 | daft | phated yes |
| 23:06.05 | smurfd | dondelelcaro, :) another day perhaps. |
| 23:06.08 | nvz | gass: oh well, he's probably busy. whats the problem? |
| 23:06.14 | jazzmans | doub: watch looks like it will do what I need. TY. |
| 23:06.14 | CSWookie | pw: Whatever. This definition is splitting hairs. It would be nice if there was an open driver. I'd use it if there were an open driver. In the mean-time, I'm a pragmatist. |
| 23:06.25 | dondelelcaro | daft: X will always do that it the logs. It's how it figures out what resolutions are possible for your monitor. |
| 23:06.28 | daft | phated if i change the PCI bus it is ont going to start so it reads the x confug |
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| 23:06.34 | PerfDave | CSWookie: Swap your hardware for one with an open driver then. |
| 23:06.42 | MacDaddy | petemc, Well Pete how's that working for you? Any install problem. Any cons? Is it all they say (and a box of cracker Jacks)? |
| 23:06.46 | Phated | I'll pragmatically shell out an extra couple bucks for easier working with Linux. :) |
| 23:06.58 | dondelelcaro | daft: then, it reads what resolution you actually want it to do, and runs that resolution. |
| 23:07.00 | gass | nvz: for a long time ... the last release came to debian long time after it's release |
| 23:07.05 | CSWookie | PerfDave: Will you mail me this hardware gratis? |
| 23:07.07 | pw | Phated: I did when I made the decision to go with the Atheros-based WG311T. |
| 23:07.13 | gass | nvz: and today came out a new one |
| 23:07.19 | daft | dondelcaro and if I know what resolution is the max? |
| 23:07.22 | Phated | pw: Huzzah for you. That's wireless and uses madwifi? |
| 23:07.26 | PerfDave | CSWookie: How about "no". But when I come to use wireless, I'll use Linux-supported wireless. |
| 23:07.27 | gass | nvz: i packaged it as unoficial |
| 23:07.29 | doub | jazzmans: YW |
| 23:07.30 | pw | Phated: Certainly is :-) |
| 23:07.32 | nvz | gass: in otherwords you are bitching its not getting updated :P |
| 23:07.42 | Phated | pw: Thank you. Now I have a brand and model. :) |
| 23:07.52 | dondelelcaro | daft: then you set that in your XF86Config-4; or you set it in the X configuration, and it'll pick the right resolution... |
| 23:07.55 | pw | Phated: It's a dandy card. I've got two. |
| 23:08.01 | Phated | pw: Ah, cool. |
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| 23:08.07 | PerfDave | I'm a pragmatist. It's in my long-term interests to encourage linux-supported hardware. |
| 23:08.09 | CSWookie | Phated: It was easy. I compiled a kernel (something I needed to do anyway), I compiled the module, and I added the requisite lines to the appropriate files. |
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| 23:08.32 | nvz | gass: I wouldnt mail you back either unless you emailed me a new package you made :P |
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| 23:08.42 | PerfDave | Using something that's Windows-only for short-term gain does me harm in the long run, because it marginalises Linux hardware support. |
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| 23:08.55 | Phated | CSWookie: ... "modprobe madwifi". Sounds easier to me. |
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| 23:09.11 | pw | PerfDave: Worse, it hits me in the pocket, because it means that I have to pay more for reasonable hardware. |
| 23:09.14 | caphuso | it's "modprobe ath_something" |
| 23:09.23 | Phated | Well, all right. |
| 23:09.26 | daft | donderlelcaro: I have set it in dpkg-reconfigure and waitng my ass off on the X starting but i think im going to get the nvidia driver back 1st. |
| 23:09.27 | gass | nvz: the package i made is at the bluefish mirrors ... i send him a mail for bluefish 1.0 rc1 and had no answear |
| 23:09.30 | hipp | does anyone know what no screens found means and how to fix it? |
| 23:09.31 | pw | caphuso: ath_pci |
| 23:09.37 | caphuso | and you need to load ath_hal too, which is a binary only thingie |
| 23:09.55 | CSWookie | Phated: It is easier. but I don't have a madwifi. If I end up with a job makingthe big bucks, then my time will be worth more than the money. I'm poor right now, so the situation is reversed. |
| 23:10.03 | MacDaddy | $50 (for a 802.11b) - $15 for an (NDIS) 802.11g is $35 for downgrade (unless all you're doing is Internet). Yet it is TIME that we forget. Perhaps an ethernet wirless bridge saves time ans thus well worth $35 or $50 more USD's. |
| 23:10.08 | pipeline | hipp: X expects to run any number of screens. "No screens found" means there's no usable configuration. |
| 23:10.12 | pw | I thought ath_hal is a firmware thingy? |
| 23:10.20 | Phated | "I'm poor, so it's not worth my time supporting things I care about." Fair enough. |
| 23:10.30 | caphuso | pw: no. it's a binary only kernel module |
| 23:10.34 | PerfDave | !noscreensfound |
| 23:10.34 | dpkg | [noscreensfound] probably dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" |
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| 23:10.39 | pw | caphuso: ah, ok |
| 23:10.43 | hipp | pipeline, so which config file? |
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| 23:11.04 | PerfDave | Of course, if people didn't support the things they cared about, we'd all end up poorer. |
| 23:11.17 | pipeline | hipp: The X configuration file. As the bot mentioned, "dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86" will re-do the configuration. Editing the configuration by hand is not recommended. |
| 23:11.23 | restrex | hi guyz... I want to install a webserver in a P3 667 MHz 128 ram, but I wannn install to my server a Window Manager... what window manager can you recommend for the quality of my server, so that runs not slower, and my server can serve decently??? Thanks!! |
| 23:11.24 | Phated | Tell it, PerfDave, tell it. |
| 23:11.29 | CSWookie | Phated: I'm glad you understand. |
| 23:11.36 | Delph | restrex: tbf, 'none' |
| 23:11.44 | Phated | CSWookie: No, no, being poor is understandable. |
| 23:11.47 | hipp | pipeline,what values am i supposed to change? |
| 23:11.59 | pipeline | hipp: That, I cannot tell you. You did not give us a detailed enough error. |
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| 23:12.09 | thingfish | rum 'n coke's for everyone! |
| 23:12.09 | Delph | restrex: avoid gnome; avoid kde; then anything else you pick will be ok. |
| 23:12.13 | restrex | Delph I know, but I want to install a lower desktop manager :( what do u recommend to me? |
| 23:12.14 | restrex | :( |
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| 23:12.20 | nvz | I completly forgot what I was going to say, cause my hillbilly uncle wouldnt quit yelling my name. |
| 23:12.26 | pipeline | restrex: You have too little RAM for it to matter. You'll run out of memory loooong before CPU power matters. |
| 23:12.31 | Phated | restrex: Openbox/fluxbox. |
| 23:12.34 | thingfish | heh I have a hillbilly uncle too |
| 23:12.35 | Delph | one of the *box es |
| 23:12.36 | MacDaddy | restrex, Fluxbox |
| 23:12.37 | PerfDave | KDE is perfectly fine on a P3 667 with 128 MB RAM, provided you turn off alphablending. |
| 23:12.42 | pipeline | restrex: twm |
| 23:12.42 | CoolPops | Is there a 2.6.x kernel package that works in Debian? I just upgraded to 2.6.10-1 and got a kernel panic on opening /dev/console |
| 23:12.52 | pw | If it's a server, fluxbox is plenty of desktop. |
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| 23:12.56 | PerfDave | CSWookie: I use 2.6.7 without problems. |
| 23:12.58 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 23:12.59 | Phated | PerfDave: Say the same for 500 with 64 RAM, pwease? :) |
| 23:13.00 | Delph | <insert non-belief in PerfDave's statement, but disinclination to argue> |
| 23:13.05 | PerfDave | CoolPops: I use 2.6.7 without problems. |
| 23:13.05 | pipeline | PerfDave: Heh, gnome is fine on a Pentium MMX, with AA fonts. If you have 256M of RAM :( |
| 23:13.08 | hipp | ok ok when i enter StartX, it has (EE) No devices detected, Ftal server error: no screens found |
| 23:13.13 | CoolPops | PerfDave: I'll give that one a try, thanks. |
| 23:13.20 | nvz | I hate when people yell for me, anyone who knows my name should know I do not yell under any circumstance, and if they are not close enough to talk to me, I will not reply |
| 23:13.22 | MacDaddy | restrex, IceWM if you prefer |
| 23:13.22 | pipeline | restrex: I advise you not install X at all. |
| 23:13.31 | restrex | twm ? fluxbox ? IceWM? |
| 23:13.33 | restrex | ok |
| 23:13.33 | pipeline | restrex: Install an X server on your desktop machine, and leave the server headless. |
| 23:13.45 | Phated | restrex: s/flux/open/ |
| 23:13.46 | pipeline | restrex: running the X server on your server will use much more memory than icewm, fluxbox, twm, and gnome all together. |
| 23:14.03 | Phated | But why precisely you need X on a server... |
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| 23:14.32 | CoolPops | PerfDave: hm. 2.6.7 is not listed in my dselect ... 2.6.8, .9, .10. |
| 23:14.33 | pipeline | I find gui applications useful |
| 23:14.35 | jazzmans | doub: or anyone: man watch is a bit sparse, is there a way to run watch wo that it appends the output to a txt file without overwriting the previous send? Something along the lines of watch -d ls -l | /name of txt file? |
| 23:14.42 | restrex | Well, for use is to view webs, and chat, anymore.. phated |
| 23:14.43 | restrex | :( |
| 23:14.44 | nvz | my voice squeaks when I even try to yell, because I dont ever do it, so nothing really comes out even if I wanted to |
| 23:14.54 | PerfDave | CoolPops: Which branch of Debian are you using? |
| 23:14.56 | pipeline | Phated: No reason specifically; I just find GUI apps useful. That doesn't mean you should have the X server on the server :P |
| 23:15.12 | CoolPops | PerfDave: unstable. |
| 23:15.15 | restrex | pipeline really? |
| 23:15.17 | P-K | I installed gnome-core and added gnome-session to my xinitrc but xwindows doesnt reconize gnome-session. Am I missing something? |
| 23:15.18 | restrex | uh cool |
| 23:15.24 | Phated | restrex: Install it on a desktop...? |
| 23:15.29 | hipp | pipeline, when i startx, it says (EE) No devices detected, Fatal server error: No screens found |
| 23:15.34 | restrex | yeas phated |
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| 23:15.44 | pipeline | restrex: You have two machines, no doubt. Put the X server on the desktop. Run GUI apps over the network. |
| 23:15.51 | Phated | I.E., instead of the server. |
| 23:16.05 | restrex | hehe ok |
| 23:16.09 | pipeline | hipp: Yes, that's a rather vague error. Run the command to reconfigure X, and make better choices :P |
| 23:16.30 | PerfDave | hipp: /msg dpkg noscreensfound |
| 23:16.38 | hipp | ok ill try now |
| 23:16.55 | restrex | but I have a ciber cafe, so I have to use all computer, so I have 1 pc for me, the p3, the other computers are used always :( |
| 23:16.58 | hipp | what an auwsome bot! |
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| 23:17.12 | PerfDave | CoolPops: Hmm, you're right. It's in Sarge though :) |
| 23:17.17 | restrex | are used by the clients |
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| 23:17.33 | restrex | so for that, I wanted to install a lower desktop manager |
| 23:17.37 | restrex | :( |
| 23:17.53 | Phated | Bah, if you have enough to run a cybercafe, you can remove one of them from service. |
| 23:17.54 | cafuego | PerfDave: KDE 2 I expect. |
| 23:17.57 | restrex | and have my own server + - decently |
| 23:17.58 | mtnman | jazzmans: sounds like you want the ">>" redirector |
| 23:17.58 | pipeline | restrex: Well, 128M of RAM is enough for a desktop, but a web server will burn through that pretty fast. The 10-20M you shave off by using twm instead of a full-fledged gnome environment may or may not be worth it to you. |
| 23:18.03 | cafuego | PerfDave: Coz KDE3 is scary on > 256Mb |
| 23:18.05 | P-K | Is gnome-core the only package to install in order to run gnome in woody? |
| 23:18.10 | cafuego | s/>/</ |
| 23:18.27 | jazzmans | mtnman: how do I research ">>" to learn how to use it? |
| 23:18.32 | Phated | cafuego: 3.0 actually plods along on 64. |
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| 23:18.42 | restrex | well guyz thanks by the way ;) |
| 23:18.44 | MacDaddy | Does this group favor Kanotix as an exeption and install method, being as some said, Debian Sid? |
| 23:18.46 | cafuego | Phated: 512Mb of ram for your machine is AU$120 btw |
| 23:18.57 | pipeline | MacDaddy: No. Install sarge and upgrade. |
| 23:19.03 | hipp | pipeline, it says dpkg-reconfigure command not found |
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| 23:19.08 | cafuego | MacDaddy: No, Sid is Sid. kanotix is kanotix (and as such, not on topic here) |
| 23:19.10 | resiak | hipp: As root. |
| 23:19.12 | PerfDave | cafuego: Uhm, I think it was 3.2, whatever was in the last-but-one Knoppix |
| 23:19.12 | Phated | cafuego: I wuv you? :) |
| 23:19.16 | mtnman | jassmans: foo >> foofile will append the output of "foo" to "foofile" (man bash i would imagine) |
| 23:19.17 | hipp | thanks!!! |
| 23:19.20 | hipp | im still a newbie! |
| 23:19.22 | CosmoDad | hi, if I install debian testing will it use "parted" for the partitioning part of the installation? |
| 23:19.24 | doub | jazzmans: that's getting tricky. you can use a 'while' loop with sleep in it to mimic watch's behavior |
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| 23:19.38 | resiak | CosmoDad: Why? |
| 23:19.40 | doub | jazzmans: see man bash, or 'info bash' if bash-doc package is installed |
| 23:19.41 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: Didn't we already say that running sid is a bad idea if you don't want things to break terribly? |
| 23:19.50 | cafuego | Phated: I upgrded a friend's Celery850 from 256 to 768 (She ran WinXP and it wasn't AT ALL happy) |
| 23:19.52 | PerfDave | CosmoDad: I think it uses cfdisk |
| 23:19.53 | thingfish | kanotix sounds like it must be some ancient egyptian distro. |
| 23:19.54 | hipp | how big is sarge btw?? |
| 23:19.57 | doub | jazzmans: watch is intended for interactive use |
| 23:20.01 | Phated | cafuego: Give her debian, give her debian! |
| 23:20.02 | MacDaddy | Just wondering myself if something claims to give me Sid, why not just install Sid? |
| 23:20.08 | cafuego | CosmoDad: No, it will use partman. |
| 23:20.14 | jazzmans | doub: thanks again. I'm off to do research. |
| 23:20.15 | cafuego | Phated: No... can't. |
| 23:20.21 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: You don't want to install sid. It will break and you won't be able to fix it. Kanotix doubly so. |
| 23:20.23 | CosmoDad | resiak: cause when I installed testing some month ago I wasn't able to boot into XP, never fixed it, and now I read about an infamous bug in parted 1.6.11 |
| 23:20.27 | CosmoDad | cafuego: ok |
| 23:20.29 | Phated | cafuego: :( |
| 23:20.33 | mtnman | macdaddy: excellent question |
| 23:20.36 | nvz | Windows seems to suck up swap space even when it doesnt need to.. so its slow no matter how much ram you got |
| 23:20.39 | cafuego | CosmoDad: partman is *nice* |
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| 23:20.48 | resiak | MacDaddy: Because... Oh, never mnd. If you're determined, we can't stop you. |
| 23:20.49 | CosmoDad | cafuego: and it never used to be parted? |
| 23:20.57 | mtnman | nvz: are you saying windoze sucks? :) |
| 23:21.02 | cafuego | CosmoDad: it does the whole lot, partitioning, raid, mkfs |
| 23:21.06 | kruzi | anyone know a system admin tool like cpanel except it free? |
| 23:21.09 | cafuego | CosmoDad: no. Used to be cfdisk. |
| 23:21.10 | nvz | mtnman: yeah, just one way it sucks |
| 23:21.10 | citral | of course windoze sucks |
| 23:21.14 | resiak | Phated: I wonder if we ought to all chip in $currency$number for more ram for you :p |
| 23:21.21 | kruzi | windows doesnt suck. |
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| 23:21.25 | mtnman | nvz; just *another* way |
| 23:21.28 | thingfish | microsoft sucks |
| 23:21.28 | kruzi | i use whatever tool is best for the job |
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| 23:21.31 | citral | XP sucks even worse as 2000 |
| 23:21.35 | hipp | pipeline, um not sure about my video cards bus identifier |
| 23:21.35 | Phated | resiak: Hahaha. Actually, scarynetworkguy's bringing RAM when he visits. |
| 23:21.38 | kruzi | more times than not its debian. |
| 23:21.43 | CosmoDad | cafuego: I see. You have an idea whether new testing/unstable installations support NTFS resizing by now? |
| 23:21.46 | De_Mon | even worse as 2000 |
| 23:21.48 | resiak | Phated: He is? Ace! |
| 23:21.49 | cafuego | nvz: yeah, even with 1.5GB ram it whines if you don't assign a swap file. (And photoshop won't run of the swap file isn't on C:) |
| 23:21.50 | MacDaddy | PerfDave, Yes but we never answered whether it is preferred to run testing and pull what you can't live without from Sid OR run Sid and pin back broken pack to testing for a time. What do you say? |
| 23:21.53 | Phated | resiak: Aye. |
| 23:21.53 | thingfish | for me, it's more that it's an evil company, than their product. |
| 23:21.54 | nvz | I am most likely going back to linux on this dell any day now.. I determined the software the school gave me I dont need. the lessons are in the books, and all I need is a word processor to print out the writing assignments |
| 23:21.54 | MesaMan | so... what can we use for "rsh/rexec/etc" when SSH port 22 is not an option? |
| 23:21.55 | kruzi | anyone know a system admin tool like cpanel except it free? |
| 23:21.59 | jazzmans | MacDaddy, I used to be a huge kanotix proponent, due to the installer, but the sarge/sid installer is awesome, and just as easy to run. keep your kanotix disk handy, to copy the Xfree if necessary and then you'll have pure debian. |
| 23:22.00 | cafuego | CosmoDad: I doubt it. |
| 23:22.06 | pipeline | hipp: That's ok. If you don't know, just hit enter. It's the magic of "sane defaults" |
| 23:22.07 | nvz | their software blows, uses a bunch of propriatary formats |
| 23:22.07 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: Just run testing, and use backports if you *absolutely* have to. |
| 23:22.19 | PerfDave | Debian is the best tool for just about anything I do. |
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| 23:22.25 | resiak | !tell mtnman about away |
| 23:22.27 | pipeline | hipp: I actually don't even know how to format a bus identifier. I've always left that option blank. |
| 23:22.40 | thingfish | debian is peachy keen. |
| 23:22.42 | hipp | ok thanks pipeline |
| 23:22.45 | PerfDave | The only thing that sucks about it is that 5.1 doesn't work on my SB Live with ALSA. |
| 23:22.48 | cafuego | MesaMan: Run ssh on another port. |
| 23:23.04 | pipeline | CosmoDad: There's no safe way to do NTFS resizing with any product. |
| 23:23.12 | Delph | MesaMan: ssh port 20002 ? |
| 23:23.13 | PerfDave | MesaMan: Why do you want to use rsh? It's insecure, old and crap :) |
| 23:23.19 | mtnman | resiak: i mentioned it because i was in the middle of a conversation. |
| 23:23.24 | hipp | pipeline, can u use /dev/input/mouse for the port? |
| 23:23.27 | CosmoDad | cafuego: you do? I just read the "ntfs resizer" homepage which claims that sarge pre-rc2 comes with resizing capabilities |
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| 23:23.36 | pipeline | PerfDave: Because rsh doesn't require huge amounts of CPU power? |
| 23:23.39 | resiak | mtnman: That's really not a good reason. |
| 23:23.47 | cafuego | CosmoDad: Depending on your budget, 40GB IDE disks are *dirt* cheap these days, though. |
| 23:23.50 | PerfDave | pipeline: ssh doesn't require huge amounts of CPU power. |
| 23:23.52 | pipeline | hipp: /dev/input/mice is a psuedo-device. It's all the mice on the system put together. So if you have five mice, they'll all work. |
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| 23:23.56 | pipeline | PerfDave: I beg to differ. |
| 23:24.00 | CosmoDad | pipeline: the developers from NTFS resizer would surely doubt that: http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html#reliable |
| 23:24.01 | MesaMan | Perfdave: because I've been forbidden from installing SSH on the AIX box.... |
| 23:24.04 | hipp | pipeline, thanks again :) |
| 23:24.08 | pipeline | CosmoDad: Laughable. |
| 23:24.19 | chealer | pipeline: actually, PartitionMagic is supposed to do it well. but it's only on windows and I didn't succeed to crack it |
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| 23:24.21 | mtnman | resiak: well i didn't want people to continue talking to me while i was on the phone. if you don't care, you may feel free to /ignore me. |
| 23:24.22 | nvz | resiak: only when someone makes a big deal about it |
| 23:24.23 | CosmoDad | cafuego: it's not a matter of money, it's a matter of time |
| 23:24.24 | PerfDave | pipeline: *shrug* I don't have any problem running an sshd with multiple connections on a pentium 60. |
| 23:24.26 | cafuego | MesaMan: By whom? Idiot sysadmin who only trusts non-encrypted protocol? |
| 23:24.30 | pipeline | chealer, CosmoDad: Partition magic is a hack. |
| 23:24.38 | chealer | what do you mean? |
| 23:24.52 | MesaMan | cafuego/Delph: doesn't seem to want to connect... |
| 23:24.56 | pipeline | PerfDave: Really? Because it takes me fucking forever to use ssh2 on a supersparc. |
| 23:24.56 | cafuego | CosmoDad: Well, estimate the time needed to buy and install a new HD versus the time needed to restore your windows setup from backups. |
| 23:25.01 | hipp | OMG!! Xworks!! |
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| 23:25.05 | pipeline | PerfDave: Like, thirty second waits just to connect. |
| 23:25.07 | hipp | pipeline, thanks so much!! |
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| 23:25.18 | MesaMan | cafuego: by my boss who proudly displays his many Microsoft certs as proof he's a real admin... |
| 23:25.19 | jdhutchin1 | pipeline, are you sure it's not trying to do public-key authentication? |
| 23:25.22 | Bogaurd | im trying to install php from source, so that i can get it to work correctly with mysql. im using a mysql installation that i got from apt-get, where should i tell php that mysql is? i tried /usr/bin but it says it cannot find the mysql header files. |
| 23:25.23 | hipp | it cains windows!!!! |
| 23:25.26 | PerfDave | pipeline: No idea what processor power a supersparc uses, but it's fine on every bit of PC hardware I've used it from 486s upwards. |
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| 23:25.33 | pipeline | jdhutchin1: CPU usage goes through the roof. |
| 23:25.34 | cafuego | MesaMan: Hand in your resignation and get a sane boss ;-) |
| 23:25.38 | Delph | Bogaurd: you'll have to insteall the header files as well |
| 23:25.42 | CosmoDad | cafuego: I'll do backups anyway which takes 2h. I cannot easily add another HD to a laptop, however |
| 23:25.43 | daft | btw now i need to write a total new kernel what is better all packages I need compiled in the kernel (I know exaclty withs one) or as modules |
| 23:25.44 | Delph | mysql-dev, most likely. |
| 23:25.44 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: (a) you need to compile PHP in /usr/local - /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 23:25.46 | hipp | pipeline, how big is sarge? |
| 23:25.47 | stonie | hello.. isit safe already to upgrade to sarge? on a productive-system .. (comp. web/sql/ftp..) |
| 23:25.47 | pipeline | PerfDave: Roughly twice the power of a Pentium 60. |
| 23:25.53 | MesaMan | cafuego: took me 18 months to find this one... |
| 23:25.53 | cafuego | CosmoDad: Aaaah, laptop. |
| 23:25.54 | jdhutchin1 | Bogaurd, use the php-mysql debian package |
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| 23:25.58 | pipeline | hipp: About a hundred megabytes. |
| 23:25.59 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: (b) you'll probably need the mysql -dev package |
| 23:26.06 | pipeline | hipp: Less than 200, at any rate. |
| 23:26.10 | PerfDave | pipeline: Then it's very strange that it can't handle what my p60 sitting here can. |
| 23:26.11 | cafuego | CosmoDad: Well, partition magic has always worked here in the past. Not free though. |
| 23:26.18 | hipp | pipeline, auwsome, my mouse doesnt work! |
| 23:26.23 | pipeline | PerfDave: Oh, it handles it. It just takes forever to chew through the keys and open a connection. |
| 23:26.30 | sgeigerbot | Does "CONFIG_USB_KBD" have to be in the .config if a machine will have USB keyboard support? I don't know which kernel option I need to add to make this available in menuconfig, but it isn't there. |
| 23:26.37 | pipeline | hipp: Well, that's an easier problem. What version of debian are you using, woody or sarge? |
| 23:26.49 | sgeigerbot | ...but CONFIG_USB_KBD is nowhere to be found in my .config file. |
| 23:26.51 | PerfDave | pipeline: It's very strange that something with twice the processing power of a p60 takes 30 seconds to do what takes less than five on a p60. |
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| 23:26.56 | citral | stonie: up to you, but if you don't need any new feature already you can stay safely with woody... |
| 23:26.56 | MacDaddy | I don't have a Kanotix CD and I will not be installing it. Do you feel better? :) I am trying to install testing in a stable manner (with wireless). It seems the Sarge installer requires me to spend bucks! Does any one else see a problem with that? How does one get to Sarge when they are ATUCK with ndiswrapper? |
| 23:27.18 | sgeigerbot | Same goes for CONFIG_USB_MOUSE. It's just not in the .config |
| 23:27.25 | CosmoDad | cafuego: yeah unfortunately I gotta do the job at work (university), no chance to get a commercial tool |
| 23:27.25 | hipp | pipeline, woody |
| 23:27.26 | resiak | MacDaddy: Erm, Sarge is free. |
| 23:27.29 | dambodog | why do my font have a rough edge to them. my resolution is not *fine* for some reason.. does anyone know what can be the reason for that? |
| 23:27.31 | citral | if it works why break it? |
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| 23:27.39 | mtnman | perfdave: i suppose it would depend on the load on the machine in question at the time. |
| 23:27.41 | stonie | citral, i want to add openvpn eg... which is only in unstable i guess |
| 23:27.44 | DerJamster | dambodog: It's not antialiased? |
| 23:27.50 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, what im trying to achieve is to install php, mysql, apache & mod_ssl. is this possible with apt-get? |
| 23:27.51 | Delph | =:P |
| 23:27.54 | hipp | !everyone, whats the best system behaviour choise? kde, windows, macos or unix? |
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| 23:27.57 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Yes |
| 23:27.57 | LeoNerd | Anyone here have much luck with the uinput module? |
| 23:27.58 | stonie | or backports - but thats no question on such a sys |
| 23:27.59 | MacDaddy | resiak, Erm not if you're stuck with ndis wireless internet access. |
| 23:28.00 | CosmoDad | cafuego: I'll give ntfs resizer a try -- after I finished my backups... |
| 23:28.01 | jordo | Whatup DEBIAN! |
| 23:28.01 | citral | stonie: sarge=testing, not unstable |
| 23:28.01 | hennewou | I'm running some debians unstable for more than a year now, and I never had any problems. Am I so lucky? |
| 23:28.02 | PerfDave | hipp: Whatever suits you best |
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| 23:28.09 | PerfDave | hennewou: Very, very |
| 23:28.12 | eddyp | which package I should reconfigure to set the time to local instead of GMT? |
| 23:28.14 | PerfDave | hipp: You can always change it later. |
| 23:28.18 | Delph | LeoNerd: what about it? |
| 23:28.18 | DerJamster | hipp: Got it working? :) |
| 23:28.20 | resiak | MacDaddy: Why does that make a difference? I've been using ndiswrapper. |
| 23:28.21 | hipp | PerfDave, what do u use |
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| 23:28.25 | daft | hipp depend what you used to |
| 23:28.26 | citral | !u |
| 23:28.26 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:28.26 | stonie | citral, errm yea sure |
| 23:28.28 | pipeline | hipp: Dang, I was going to suggest you installed a hardware auto-detector, but I don't know if it works in woody. |
| 23:28.30 | hipp | DerJamster, hey agian! |
| 23:28.32 | dambodog | DerJamster, i am not sure. how do i check? |
| 23:28.35 | jordo | Anyone know a config tool for Apache2? |
| 23:28.37 | hipp | yes the guys here sorted me out |
| 23:28.37 | PerfDave | hipp: I don't use any of the defaults, I have my own hybrid which is somewhere between Unix and Windows |
| 23:28.38 | Bogaurd | PerfDave, how :| it never seems to work for me. they dont seem to work together. can you help me achieve it? |
| 23:28.42 | pipeline | hipp: Try adding modules "hid" and "mousedev" |
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| 23:28.52 | stonie | citral, kinda tired, sorry.. drove ALOT today :/ |
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| 23:28.53 | DerJamster | dambodog: That..is the big problem. I don't know :) |
| 23:28.53 | LeoNerd | Having it work. According to strace, a userland daemon is talking to it, sending it little 4-byte packets every time I hit a key. Nothing comes out on the console. |
| 23:28.55 | thingfish | I came from fedora, so I kind of thought installing sid was the way to go. I guess now that I know better, I'd have better stuck with sarge. |
| 23:29.04 | citral | jordo: there's probably another lame webadmin module |
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| 23:29.08 | thingfish | although I have yet to have a single problem. |
| 23:29.10 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: I'm not sure myself, since I don't use PHP, but I know people have done it. |
| 23:29.10 | pipeline | hipp: Also, I'd probably upgrade to sarge. The linux desktop has come a long, long, long way since woody was released. |
| 23:29.12 | thingfish | which amazes me. |
| 23:29.13 | MacDaddy | I just hate to tell all my would be convert to get out their wallet to install Sarge (for those of us who can't roll the desktop to the hardwired office. See? |
| 23:29.16 | dambodog | DerJamster, :) |
| 23:29.20 | hipp | Sarge beta?? |
| 23:29.23 | hennewou | PerfDave: you have had bad experience? |
| 23:29.23 | daft | Compiling kernel Modules or Compiled in kernel |
| 23:29.26 | jcole | what is the gnome "desktop share" app name? |
| 23:29.28 | hipp | or still in development? |
| 23:29.39 | jdhutchin1 | MacDaddy, why would you have to get out your wallet to install sarge? |
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| 23:29.48 | dambodog | DerJamster, what is the reason for these type of "choppy" fonts? |
| 23:30.00 | LeoNerd | daft; dunno if that was to me or not, but it's built modular. It's modprobed, and seems to be in the kernel happily. |
| 23:30.04 | daft | hipp sid is the guy next door of toystory still in development is made up after that |
| 23:30.16 | thingfish | surely it's cocktail hour out there somewhere besides here... |
| 23:30.16 | sgeigerbot | !+sid |
| 23:30.17 | dpkg | [sid] the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 23:30.20 | pipeline | hipp: Sarge is "testing." It never breaks like Sid, but it's not finished. Things still change. |
| 23:30.31 | PerfDave | hennewou: Occasionally. |
| 23:30.35 | hipp | pipeline, gotachya! |
| 23:30.35 | sgeigerbot | !+testing |
| 23:30.35 | dpkg | it has been said that testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
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| 23:30.45 | da_ | s |
| 23:30.45 | pipeline | hipp: Woody is called "stable" because nothing ever changes. |
| 23:30.48 | neenee | nite. |
| 23:30.48 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: Define "never" |
| 23:30.49 | PerfDave | hennewou: I had to spend a week using the console when KDE broke. |
| 23:30.51 | hipp | pipeline, during installing debian, it came up with questions like tabs or something? |
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| 23:30.56 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Rarely :| |
| 23:31.01 | da_ | what's the freenode channel dealing with finance |
| 23:31.01 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: :-) |
| 23:31.04 | daft | no anser going for no modules then |
| 23:31.14 | thingfish | #capitalistpigs |
| 23:31.15 | da_ | stock news etc |
| 23:31.19 | da_ | .. |
| 23:31.19 | pipeline | hipp: If you don't know the answer to a question, usually the correct choice is to just hit enter. |
| 23:31.34 | at0m|c | how can i determine which network driver is used? |
| 23:31.38 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: There's a word that describes never/rarely a little better. IIRC, it's "rarely". |
| 23:31.40 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 23:31.41 | jdhutchin1 | at0m|c, lsmod |
| 23:31.44 | DerJamster | hipp: Sarge is 'testing' (basically as stable as other distros IMO), Woody is 'stable (year old software but well..stable as a mountain), and 'unstable/SID'. Sarge will one day become stable, WOody will get..eh..old and the new unstable will be called Etch. SID will always be the name of 'unstable' |
| 23:31.45 | at0m|c | thanks |
| 23:31.55 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: man...it was a long day. |
| 23:31.59 | stonie | citral, is there a way to install openvpn in woody too? via apt? |
| 23:32.05 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: No shit. |
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| 23:32.13 | DerJamster | er, the new testing will be called Etch :> |
| 23:32.23 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: It was supposed to be a long day, but I hit the alarm and slept through the whole thing :) |
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| 23:32.32 | Bogaurd | how can i install the mysql haeder files with apt-get? |
| 23:32.45 | sgeigerbot | Bogaurd: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.html or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 23:32.46 | citral | !backports |
| 23:32.47 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:32.57 | citral | erf |
| 23:32.58 | jdhutchin1 | Bogaurd, if you want mysql to work with php, use php4-mysql or php3-mysql |
| 23:33.05 | jetscreamer | -a-sketch |
| 23:33.07 | MacDaddy | OK now I understand if I go with testing, their will be lack of security. How do I solve this. Is it a big problem? |
| 23:33.11 | jdhutchin1 | Bogaurd, it's already compiled for you |
| 23:33.12 | Bogaurd | jdhutchin1, thanks |
| 23:33.13 | thingfish | I must say, the folks in #fedora party more than you all here it seems. |
| 23:33.18 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: You solve this by going with stable |
| 23:33.19 | jetscreamer | sarge has security updates |
| 23:33.25 | PerfDave | jetscreamer: Since when? |
| 23:33.35 | MobyTurbo | thingfish: don't be a troll |
| 23:33.42 | citral | stonie: backports.org, good luck |
| 23:33.43 | thingfish | sorry, not trying to be |
| 23:33.48 | jetscreamer | since lately... least the package lists d/l |
| 23:33.55 | MacDaddy | PerfDave, I'm not running a server on this box. |
| 23:33.57 | jordo | Is there a debate forum on freenodes for Linux vs. Windows? |
| 23:33.59 | Bogaurd | jdhutchin1, if i install php4-mysql, do i still need to compile and install php? or does php4-mysql install php? |
| 23:34.05 | interalia | hotplug's output at boot time goes by too fast for me to see, is it logged somewhere? |
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| 23:34.12 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: If you want security updates, go with Woody. If you don't care, go with sarge. |
| 23:34.17 | PerfDave | interalia: dmesg | less |
| 23:34.23 | jdhutchin1 | Bogaurd, you'll have to pick a php package to install- libmodphp or php-cgi |
| 23:34.26 | stonie | mmh then no vpn for now.. sleep could help |
| 23:34.26 | pipeline | jordo: #windowsnt |
| 23:34.27 | stonie | nite all |
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| 23:34.39 | jdhutchin1 | Bogaurd, on debian, there are very few things you have to compile yourself |
| 23:34.40 | interalia | perfdave: no, dmesg contains kernel messages. hotplug is running in userspace |
| 23:34.42 | thingfish | I guess it's still work time for the west coasters. |
| 23:34.45 | PerfDave | MacDaddy: Either way, subscribe to debian-security-announce to keep an eye out for major vulnerabilities. |
| 23:34.52 | citral | !beer abrotman |
| 23:34.58 | PerfDave | interalia: /var/log/messages? |
| 23:35.05 | doub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.10 | citral | ahahaha |
| 23:35.14 | MacDaddy | OK debian-security-announce it is, thank you. |
| 23:35.21 | jonesy | !beer me |
| 23:35.35 | caphuso | http://merkel.debian.org/\~joeyh/testing-security.html |
| 23:35.35 | hipp | pipeline, can u take me through readding mousedev and getting my sound card to be detected? |
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| 23:35.37 | interalia | I seem to recall reading about some package you could install which logs the output from the init scripts that get run. |
| 23:35.42 | interalia | just can't remember what it was called |
| 23:35.43 | Bogaurd | jdhutchin1, can i use 'apt-get install mysql php4-mysql php apache' to install php, mysql & apache together? |
| 23:35.44 | MacDaddy | I need a beer! |
| 23:35.45 | caphuso | ^^^ sarge security issues |
| 23:35.45 | doub | funny there's a windows channel here |
| 23:35.52 | citral | /j #billfanclub |
| 23:35.57 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | beer |
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| 23:36.20 | OleMoudi | any ideas why gnome-volume-control does not find any mixer devices in my computer? I can control volume with aumix though |
| 23:36.20 | pipeline | hipp: You'll really find this whole thing easier if you install or upgrade to sarge. It will very likely detect all of your hardware |
| 23:36.21 | caphuso | /help ignore and /help levels |
| 23:36.33 | pipeline | doub: Heh, I don't think there is. But EFnet has one :P |
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| 23:36.47 | MacDaddy | thingfish, Tanks you, now hand me a beer! :) |
| 23:36.52 | doub | citral: hehe |
| 23:36.54 | hipp | pipeline, i diont have access to the internet on the linux box, can i install it on here and wack it on cd? |
| 23:37.07 | thingfish | lol what's your pleasure, MacDaddy? |
| 23:37.18 | thingfish | you like microbrew stuff? |
| 23:37.20 | caphuso | private messages aren't linked to a channel |
| 23:37.25 | caphuso | argh |
| 23:37.46 | thingfish | oh wait, I get it now. |
| 23:37.48 | thingfish | lol |
| 23:37.53 | pipeline | hipp: Yeah, but then you have to download a larger CD image. |
| 23:38.11 | Bogaurd | can i use 'apt-get install mysql php4-mysql php apache' to install php, mysql & apache so they work together? |
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| 23:38.15 | hipp | ill just wait till end of this week |
| 23:38.19 | pipeline | hipp: The sarge "net install" disc only comes with the basic packages, the bare minimum to get it up and running. It assumes you have a network connection. |
| 23:38.23 | MacDaddy | So what do you guys do to your pools after you get a clean testing from deb on it? What then do you tack on? |
| 23:38.32 | jazzmanss | doub: I'm having trouble with watch, I can only get 1 screen of data, and there's a hell of a lot more folders then show in one window. |
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| 23:39.00 | hipp | pipeline, maybe i can just get the mouse and sound working first and then handle sarge later? |
| 23:39.00 | larkface_769 | Bogaurd: are you having trouble installing from source? |
| 23:39.01 | doub | pipeline: no i've just been there, it exists. quite empty, nobody saying anything, but there's one |
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| 23:39.02 | citral | MacDaddy: keeping it clean |
| 23:39.06 | MacDaddy | Example: mplayer |
| 23:39.13 | thingfish | gosh, maybe I should go back to being a bartender, it was fun... |
| 23:39.20 | Bogaurd | larkface_769, i'd rather do it using apt-get :\ |
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| 23:39.27 | citral | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
| 23:39.37 | PerfDave | caphuso, jetscreamer: The Sarge package lists downloading from security.debian.org isn't the same as the full resources of the Debian Security Team being concentrated on Sarge security issues, and the infrastructure being in place for them to do so, right? |
| 23:39.38 | citral | MacDaddy: ^^ |
| 23:39.39 | chealer | Bogaurd: you'll get many clues from http://tikiwiki.org/tiki-index.php?page=InstallTikiDebian if you need it |
| 23:39.52 | pipeline | hipp: I can't hold your hand. I wouldn't even know how to fool with your sound. All of my soundcards are soundblasters; they "just work" |
| 23:39.53 | doub | jazzmanss: that's what it's intended for, interactive use, on one screen |
| 23:40.09 | chealer | Bogaurd: the only thing it doesn't talk about is ssl |
| 23:40.11 | pipeline | hipp: Ask a more specific question to the entire channel. |
| 23:40.14 | caphuso | PerfDave: the Packages file for main/binary-i386 on security.d.o is empty... |
| 23:40.14 | jazzmanss | how can I run watch -d du to only show me modified folders/files from the last run? |
| 23:40.14 | hipp | pipeline, i have a soundlaster |
| 23:40.27 | larkface_769 | Bogaurd: I definitely understand (searches for php.ini). |
| 23:40.38 | hipp | how do i re modify modules ? |
| 23:40.47 | doub | jazzmanss: something with diff would do that, but i bet you'll have to do it by hand |
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| 23:41.12 | Bogaurd | chealer, thanks :) |
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| 23:41.34 | Bogaurd | does anyone know if apt-get can install mod_ssl in apache? |
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| 23:41.47 | AdrianLP | Hi, I set LANG and LC_ALL to C, then I run any GTK app, and I still get this: "Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C". What can cause this? |
| 23:41.51 | MacDaddy | What do the deb kernel diffs do to the pristine kernel that matters of might conflict with other patches ? |
| 23:42.00 | pipeline | hipp: That's easy then. "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-modules alsa-utils" |
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| 23:42.17 | caphuso | Bogaurd: apt-cache --names-only search apache mod ssl |
| 23:42.20 | pipeline | hipp: You may have to substitute alsa-modules-2.4.foo-k7 or something like that. |
| 23:42.34 | Bedad | hmm i'm confused why i can't execute mplayer as a normal user if i (in kde) go to home directory /usr/bin to exec mplayer in x , it opens a terminal with the output as if i would have executed it via the terminal. But yet, if i log on as root, there's the icon there, and it opens up fine |
| 23:42.52 | doub | jazzmanss: something like : 'du <options> > file1; while `/bin/true`; do du <options> > file2; diff file1 file2 > log; sleep 1; done' |
| 23:43.01 | doub | jazzmanss: not shure about the syntax |
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| 23:43.23 | citral | Bedad: the gui is gmplayer |
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| 23:43.38 | caphuso | doub: urgh... while true; do .. |
| 23:43.55 | FieldySnuts | i was wondering about that, why bring in /bin/true |
| 23:44.01 | MacDaddy | What MAJOR does the deb kernel diffs do to the pristine kernel and which might conflict with other needed special diffs ? |
| 23:44.05 | doub | caphuso: right |
| 23:44.12 | Bedad | ohhh |
| 23:44.14 | Bedad | citral, thanks |
| 23:44.14 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: cargo-cult shell programming |
| 23:44.23 | colonel | as |
| 23:44.23 | jazzmanss | caphuso: I need to run some command to compare /home to itself, and tell me what folder(s) are growing. |
| 23:44.41 | MacDaddy | ...or might conflict |
| 23:44.57 | caphuso | jazzmanss: you can built upon doub's suggestion |
| 23:45.07 | FieldySnuts | du -h > file1 ; sleep however-many-seconds ; du -h > file2 ; diff file1 file2 , just a guess |
| 23:45.11 | jcole | is cryptographic support compiled into stock debian kernels? |
| 23:45.23 | jazzmanss | since I logged into this irc with jazzmanss, /home has shrunk another 3 MB |
| 23:45.23 | FieldySnuts | actually leave off -h |
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| 23:45.35 | MacDaddy | It seems like compiling a kernel opens up a whole can of worms. Do you generally try to aviod it? |
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| 23:45.37 | christor | hello |
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| 23:45.42 | citral | jazzmanss: the irc logs? |
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| 23:45.50 | FieldySnuts | MacDaddy: i always do my own kernels, some don't like to |
| 23:45.54 | AdrianLP | How do I see which locales are supported by Xlib? |
| 23:46.00 | thingfish | MacDaddy: yes, use debian-provided kernels, you're better off. |
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| 23:46.14 | MacDaddy | one for one |
| 23:46.15 | FieldySnuts | if you're the least bit afraid of it or don't like to, do what thingfish said |
| 23:46.23 | jazzmanss | citral: I doubt that's it, the consumption occures with or without irc running. |
| 23:46.39 | christor | I m searching a software ( if possible a package debain ) like groupware where we can make a search on all the system.( ex: if i search debian , it will be fine to have all ticket system, wiki ... debian info)???? |
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| 23:46.48 | citral | !debain |
| 23:46.49 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:46.56 | MacDaddy | If I run the deb K7 image (pre done) with I have more bugs? |
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| 23:47.05 | christor | lol |
| 23:47.10 | thingfish | Deb and Ian. Two lovers. How romantic. |
| 23:47.14 | FieldySnuts | MacDaddy: compared to what? |
| 23:47.27 | christor | Debain? |
| 23:47.30 | citral | MacDaddy: works fine here |
| 23:47.39 | nvz | thingfish: two lovers and their toy story, how kinky |
| 23:47.52 | MacDaddy | i686 |
| 23:47.58 | dambodog | does anyone know why my fonts are so choppy? they are not round and clean |
| 23:48.04 | thingfish | nvz: all of a sudden I'm scared. |
| 23:48.09 | larkface_769 | question: 90% of the time I open a gtk-based application, it gives me this message: Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library. why does this happen? |
| 23:48.23 | obtix | im trying to compile honeyd (not the older deb package) and i get this error: configure: error: dnet-config not found |
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| 23:48.27 | AdrianLP | larkface_769: When you find out, let me know. |
| 23:48.29 | citral | MacDaddy: what the heck are you talking about, what is your CPU? |
| 23:48.31 | caphuso | larkface_769: because you've chosen a locale you haven't generated... dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:48.43 | larkface_769 | trying |
| 23:48.54 | MacDaddy | citral, Athlon |
| 23:48.59 | AdrianLP | caphuso: I have the same issue. I've reconfigured locales. Chose a given language. Same error. |
| 23:49.02 | citral | MacDaddy: so use k7 |
| 23:49.36 | FieldySnuts | @fuck locals |
| 23:49.40 | FieldySnuts | locales. |
| 23:49.45 | thingfish | such language! |
| 23:49.47 | Bogaurd | i installed apache, php4, mysql-server, php4-mysql |
| 23:49.49 | doub | obtix: search for dnet-config on packages.debian.org |
| 23:49.55 | caphuso | AdrianLP: probably yet another gtk stupidity. check bugs.debian.org for something related |
| 23:49.55 | Bogaurd | but mysql doesnt work in my php scripts |
| 23:49.58 | obtix | doub: i did, i got nothing :-\ |
| 23:50.00 | larkface_769 | no, the locales have been generated. |
| 23:50.03 | Bogaurd | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/test.php on line 13 |
| 23:50.10 | thingfish | this room is like some parties I've been to. |
| 23:50.26 | obtix | doub: wait, i found it... |
| 23:50.26 | larkface_769 | thingfish: how so? |
| 23:50.26 | FieldySnuts | your version of php doesn't have mysql support compiled in |
| 23:50.27 | MacDaddy | If you were going to buy an affordable mother board for Deb, which would be best for installing Sarge? |
| 23:50.44 | citral | !best |
| 23:50.44 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 23:50.45 | nvz | thingfish: you must go to some shitty parties |
| 23:50.49 | thingfish | larkface_769: all types of people, lots of cussin'. |
| 23:50.51 | Bogaurd | FieldySnuts, i installed it with apt-get :\ |
| 23:51.03 | serfurj | which is better, ipkg or dpkg |
| 23:51.13 | thingfish | nvz: well I'm certainly doing what I can on my end! |
| 23:51.18 | FieldySnuts | somebody didn't see the !best |
| 23:51.20 | nvz | if something isnt on fire, and there arent a bunch of drunk girls around, its not a party |
| 23:51.25 | nvz | afaiac |
| 23:51.36 | MacDaddy | best = working (without glitch) |
| 23:51.37 | pipeline | MacDaddy: It doesn't really matter. |
| 23:51.42 | larkface_769 | what is it otherwise? |
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| 23:51.55 | MacDaddy | pipeline, LOL |
| 23:51.57 | FieldySnuts | ahem |
| 23:51.57 | citral | cool |
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| 23:52.25 | nvz | I had to carry my highschool friend friend Sarah out of our last party.. it wasnt all that, but the fact that we burned stuff and at least one girl had to be carried out, that means it was a good time |
| 23:52.33 | thingfish | lol |
| 23:52.37 | chealer | Bogaurd: you got php4-mysql? |
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| 23:52.52 | MacDaddy | thingfish, Have you had enough BEER to put them out? |
| 23:52.52 | FieldySnuts | sounds childish, high school though, oh well |
| 23:52.57 | nvz | I should try and locate those girls and send a hello, I havent seen them in like two years now. |
| 23:52.58 | doub | nvz: as per good-party-policy ? :) |
| 23:52.59 | chealer | Bogaurd: sorry didn't read you |
| 23:53.05 | thingfish | MacDaddy: almost! |
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| 23:53.43 | Bogaurd | chealer, this is the command i am using: apt-get install apache libapache-mod-ssl php4 php4-pear mysql-server php4-mysql |
| 23:53.51 | nvz | I love that girl, she's one of the few girls I could spend more than 5 minutes with without her driving me nuts |
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| 23:54.07 | chealer | Bogaurd: ok...check your php.ini for something then. like commented mysql.so ? |
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| 23:54.19 | thingfish | I generally don't have much time for females, except in non-sexual ways. |
| 23:54.19 | Bogaurd | ok |
| 23:54.23 | citral | nvz: you're sur it isn't a shemale? :))) |
| 23:54.42 | thingfish | I love females as friends, however. |
| 23:54.47 | nvz | citral: nah, that party was a halloween part, and the leather suit she was in would have given it away |
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| 23:54.55 | citral | heh |
| 23:55.02 | chealer | Bogaurd: if you have ";extension=mysql.so" just remove ";" and restart apache |
| 23:55.15 | Bogaurd | chealer, nope its not commented |
| 23:55.16 | nvz | she looked amazing, I dont remember what the hell she was supposed to be, but it was sexy |
| 23:55.20 | AdrianLP | Heh, GTK falls back to C for locale, but even this genrates an error about unsuported locale: "LANG=C LC_ALL=C firefox &" |
| 23:55.48 | bronaugh | how does init read through /etc/inittab and act on it? does it run specific ids in sequence, or does it read the file in line-by-line and act on it |
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| 23:56.26 | alexscott | plop (amsg) |
| 23:56.27 | citral | let's play some good hip-hop |
| 23:56.28 | Bedad | hmm if a file is drwxr-xr-x in permissions is the did the suid? |
| 23:56.30 | MacDaddy | How do you back up a patition with deb? |
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| 23:56.37 | thingfish | yuckies on the hip-hop |
| 23:56.38 | chealer | Bogaurd: sorry, it's a real common error, you'll google it in no time |
| 23:56.39 | FieldySnuts | no such thing |
| 23:56.41 | Bedad | erm is the d |
| 23:56.43 | nvz | Sex with strangers never did it for me. *shrug* If I can't stand to be around someone I cant hardly find them sexy |
| 23:56.46 | Bogaurd | :( |
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| 23:56.48 | thingfish | except maybe for some missie elliot, she's cool. |
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| 23:57.02 | citral | nvz: roger |
| 23:57.05 | joujou | is there quicktime (.mov) plugin for firefox? |
| 23:57.28 | citral | sex with strangers is only frustrating |
| 23:57.28 | TCW | joujou, mplayer-plugin |
| 23:57.33 | thingfish | sex with strangers is irresponsible and detrimental to one's psychological well-being. |
| 23:57.35 | pipeline | joujou: plugger, vlc-plugin, mplayer-plugin |
| 23:57.46 | Delph | thingfish: uhhm |
| 23:57.50 | *** join/#debian FAbZ (~FAbZ@113-132-58.adsl.cust.tie.cl) |
| 23:58.02 | MacDaddy | I upgraded all my KDE packs to experimental. How do I downgrade to SId? |
| 23:58.03 | thingfish | perhaps I should've said IMHO? |
| 23:58.13 | Delph | thingfish: uhhm |
| 23:58.15 | citral | thingfish: exactly |
| 23:58.16 | thingfish | lol |
| 23:58.20 | pipeline | sex with strangers is http://tinyurl.com/43uv5 |
| 23:58.25 | nvz | heh |
| 23:58.28 | pipeline | MacDaddy: Downgrading is baaad. |
| 23:58.30 | FAbZ | how can i see the channel list¿? |
| 23:58.37 | citral | !adger pron |
| 23:58.41 | citral | !badger pron |
| 23:58.43 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 23:58.43 | joujou | how can I tell which one is running in my firefox? firefox does not complain about a missing plugin, and it just hangs when a page has a .mov component |
| 23:58.45 | MacDaddy | pipeline, Why? |
| 23:58.46 | citral | gah |
| 23:58.47 | nvz | I've had moments starring at girls that was better than sex with other girls |
| 23:58.52 | thingfish | badgers are NOT sexy! |
| 23:59.11 | pipeline | MacDaddy: You'll find out. |
| 23:59.15 | nvz | You dont know what its like until you meet someone you can be with and not have to say anything at all |
| 23:59.18 | thingfish | field voles, on the other hand... |
| 23:59.29 | MacDaddy | pipeline, A reinstalling we will go AGAIN! |
| 23:59.36 | Delph | thingfish: yay for mustelids |
| 23:59.38 | jbr | MacDaddy: you can purge-and-reinstall the packages |
| 23:59.40 | citral | !mushroom porn |
| 23:59.41 | dpkg | it has been said that mushroom porn is http://www.boners.com/grub/791568.html |
| 23:59.43 | FAbZ | please somebody can helpme? |
| 23:59.57 | thingfish | I love wild mushrooms. |
| 23:59.57 | pipeline | MacDaddy: You may not have to do anything that drastic. |
| 23:59.59 | petemc | MacDaddy: you could try apt-get install packagename/unstable for all the packages you got from experimental, it may not work tho |
