| 00:00.01 | thingfish | I don't know much about debian's philosophy yet, but I do know that it sure seems to work. |
| 00:00.02 | ZenithDK | are people having problems with libflac4 missing? |
| 00:00.04 | Danar | i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but i still get the error (Fatal error: no screens found) |
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| 00:00.10 | ZenithDK | or is it just me? :) |
| 00:00.11 | karsten | spiekey: update-rc.d |
| 00:00.18 | citral | spiekey: update-rc.d, but it's not really an editor |
| 00:00.23 | spiekey | thx! |
| 00:00.23 | karsten | paulswm: ;-) |
| 00:00.39 | hipp | citral, no luck |
| 00:00.46 | Bogaurd | ok, i installed hotwayd on my linux box. dpkg said that it comflicted with pop3server, but thats only because it runs on the same port by default. now when i try to use apt-get, it wont do anything because of the conflict. how can i tell it to always ignore this conflict? |
| 00:00.48 | citral | hipp: so you are not online. |
| 00:00.48 | hipp | citral, seems like mozilla works for somereason |
| 00:00.57 | citral | hipp: cached pages? |
| 00:01.04 | hipp | ill try aghain |
| 00:01.12 | citral | hipp: or you are behind a proxy? |
| 00:01.31 | karsten | So, something in Galeon's sucking massive CPU. And I've got a gazillion tabs/windows open. Any idea on how to find which one is causing load? |
| 00:01.32 | Danar | what else can i try to get X running? |
| 00:01.40 | hipp | citral, no proxy and looks like its cashed |
| 00:01.53 | hipp | citral, it was working yesterday |
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| 00:01.59 | Jeo | or it isn't that problem, I can let the ddclient with the router |
| 00:02.05 | Danar | karsten, you might try reloading them one at a time... *shrugs* |
| 00:02.11 | karsten | Danar: What simonrvn told you. |
| 00:02.11 | Jeo | I dont need to access the router everyday |
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| 00:02.43 | karsten | Danar: Right now I'm killing 'em one at a time, but that's slow. Dialup. I'd rather not wait 30 minutes for 'em to load. OTOH, it's taking that long to kill. <sigh> |
| 00:02.44 | Jeo | and if i need, i kill the ddclient, use the router and make ddclient on again |
| 00:02.45 | citral | hipp: verify your cables, ping the router if you have one, etc. |
| 00:02.52 | Danar | karsten, simonrvn hasn't said anything else yet |
| 00:02.54 | hipp | citral, fixed it |
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| 00:03.08 | hipp | citral, it was gnome, kde works fine ;) |
| 00:03.15 | citral | uh |
| 00:03.27 | karsten | Danar: 15:41 < simonrvn> Danar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:03.37 | TheStar | modprobe doesn't seem to be loading modules |
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| 00:03.49 | Danar | karsten, i've since rebooted, tried that, and came back saying it didn't work... |
| 00:03.52 | karsten | TheStar: run 'dmesg' and see what it's telling you. |
| 00:04.07 | citral | TheStar: a successful modprobe won't report anything in an xterm |
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| 00:04.19 | karsten | Danar: Configure X at lowest possible levels. 640x480 at 60hz 8 bpp. |
| 00:04.27 | karsten | Danar: ...see if you can get that working first, then tweak it up. |
| 00:04.28 | citral | a failing modprobe will be noisy |
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| 00:04.39 | TheStar | Nothing in dmesg |
| 00:04.48 | karsten | Danar: ...and start with vga/vesa drivers, before going accelerated. |
| 00:04.49 | TheStar | Additionally, modprobe -c doesn't list the module in question. |
| 00:04.51 | citral | TheStar: lsmod | grep themodule |
| 00:04.56 | TheStar | lsmod, thanks. |
| 00:05.16 | karsten | citral: Or: grep <module> /proc/modules |
| 00:05.23 | TheStar | Ok, it's loaded. |
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| 00:05.39 | citral | yeah, in unix there's always more than one way :) |
| 00:05.45 | Danar | karsten, i also get a message saying Undefined InputDevice "PS/2 Mouse" referenced by ServerLayout "XFree86 Configured". |
| 00:06.02 | WiFiTux | citral, GNU |
| 00:06.03 | bsims | I am having trouble with a usb card. when I plug in a device it scrolls through all possible addresses and never finds one it likes |
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| 00:06.17 | bsims | any ideas? |
| 00:06.18 | Frost | wavelan configuration, any tips ? utility wo'nt see card |
| 00:06.23 | citral | WiFiTux: unix is not linux |
| 00:06.27 | karsten | Danar: What kind of mouse do you have? |
| 00:06.41 | WiFiTux | citral, that's what I'm saying. |
| 00:06.45 | Danar | karsten, logitech mx500 (USB) |
| 00:06.48 | citral | I talked about unix in general |
| 00:06.50 | Manoj_ | citral: not true, according to SCO |
| 00:06.56 | bsims | I am having trouble with a usb card. when I plug in a device it scrolls through all possible addresses and never finds one it likes |
| 00:06.57 | WiFiTux | :| |
| 00:07.00 | citral | yeah yeah let's not troll :))) |
| 00:07.01 | karsten | Danar: Then specify a USB mouse. Your device is /dev/input/mice |
| 00:07.03 | xam | Danar: ahh, the mouse that is broken by design ;) |
| 00:07.07 | WiFiTux | Manoj_, SCO Sucks! |
| 00:07.09 | pipeline | citral, WiFiTux: Not only is there more than one way, there's undoubtedly conflicting standards with respect to each of the six different standard ways. And no one of the two dozen available methods is portable across more than 3 systems. |
| 00:07.11 | elnovato | someday i will need to pay 200 bucks for debian license? |
| 00:07.16 | Danar | karsten, could that somehow cause X to not start? |
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| 00:07.25 | xam | elnovato: nope |
| 00:07.28 | pipeline | elnovato: How come you aren't banned yet? |
| 00:07.31 | karsten | Manoj_: Unix is a primitive, early precursor of Linux ;-) |
| 00:07.34 | elnovato | you swear?? |
| 00:07.40 | karsten | Danar: Yes. X likes having a valid pointer. |
| 00:07.43 | Danar | karsten, i did specify /dev/input/mice |
| 00:07.45 | elnovato | pipeline: i also help to debian comunity |
| 00:07.48 | [Gnomix] | Chiunque fosse interessato a materiali informatici tecnici può trovare una ricca raccolta su www.gnomixland.com |
| 00:07.49 | citral | a +q would be fine for elnovato |
| 00:07.51 | dondelelcaro | elnovato: no. This is all well known. You can make checks payable to me, if you'd like, though. |
| 00:07.58 | karsten | Danar: Um. Doesn't sound like it. Give it another shot and retry X. |
| 00:07.59 | pipeline | Danar: Even if there's no mouse plugged in, /dev/input/mice should still be valid. |
| 00:08.00 | citral | ahaha |
| 00:08.01 | xam | elnovato: I swear, but I don't know whether all the other debian contributors will |
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| 00:08.09 | WiFiTux | Why is elnovato in trouble? |
| 00:08.16 | citral | he drunked too much |
| 00:08.18 | WiFiTux | elnovato, que hiciste carajo? |
| 00:08.28 | WiFiTux | ah |
| 00:08.30 | elnovato | nada wey.. solo pregunte si vamos a pagar licencias |
| 00:08.41 | citral | elnovato| im drunk!!! yohooooo |
| 00:08.45 | WiFiTux | elnovato, pus no! No hagas broncas. |
| 00:09.05 | WiFiTux | OK, Issue Fixed, let's move on. |
| 00:09.07 | Danar | karsten, i believe it was in dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 that i specified /dev/input/mice ... |
| 00:09.12 | Frost | No wavelan help? Anyone? Please reply. |
| 00:09.14 | hipp | citral, ok where can i paste it? |
| 00:09.19 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
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| 00:09.19 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
| 00:09.26 | pipeline | Danar: Did you, at any point, edit the X config without using dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 00:09.29 | karsten | Danar: Please rerun dpkg-reconfigure and ensure that's valid. |
| 00:09.31 | hipp | PerfDave, alright to paste it ehre using chanel bot? |
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| 00:09.43 | Danar | pipeline, once, yeah... |
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| 00:09.57 | resiak | hipp: Did you miss PerfDave saying he was off to bed? |
| 00:09.59 | larsie | I need a stable email suplier who have pop3/smtp. |
| 00:10.05 | Danar | pipeline, i might have messed it a bit :/ |
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| 00:10.07 | pipeline | Danar: There's your problem. Delete your X configuration, then run "dexconf -o /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" to generate a new one using the values from dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:10.07 | TheStar | Could someone please help me troubleshoot shorewall? |
| 00:10.16 | Bogaurd | has anyone got vsftpd to work on debian woody? i keep getting: 500: OOPS Unrecognized variable in config file |
| 00:10.18 | WiFiTux | larsie, evolution or mozilla-mailnews. |
| 00:10.18 | TheStar | I cannot run "shorewall restart", or even "shorewall stop". |
| 00:10.21 | hipp | resiak, yeh i guess lol |
| 00:10.22 | Danar | pipeline, ok, sweet. |
| 00:10.27 | TheStar | It hangs at "loading modules..." |
| 00:10.29 | pipeline | Danar: debconf, the debian config system, won't overwrite your changed configuration, because it assumes you wanted those changes where they are. |
| 00:10.37 | hipp | WiFiTux, u wanna look at the lilop.conf? |
| 00:10.43 | citral | Bogaurd: you checked the bts? |
| 00:10.50 | larsie | Thanx |
| 00:10.56 | pipeline | Danar: If you really, really want to make changes to the config by hand, but still allow debconf to update it, follow the instructions at the top of the file. |
| 00:10.57 | karsten | Danar: ...that's a feature, BTW, as having conffiles autoclobbered sort of sucks. Ask any RH/SuSE users. |
| 00:10.57 | WiFiTux | hipp, ohh boy... send me your lilo.conf bottom. |
| 00:10.58 | Bogaurd | citral: bts? |
| 00:11.01 | citral | !bts |
| 00:11.01 | dondelelcaro | Danar: alternatively, /msg dpkg x md5 |
| 00:11.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 00:11.24 | pipeline | Danar: At any rate, the key to this puzzle is "dexconf", which generates fresh X configurations from the debconf database |
| 00:11.31 | citral | Bogaurd: querybts is fine |
| 00:11.37 | Danar | Okay, thx ppl. bbiab |
| 00:11.41 | TheStar | Not even shorewall check works. |
| 00:11.46 | WiFiTux | hipp, ? |
| 00:11.51 | elnovato | no no.., i want to help.. not trouble.. just the whisky..... |
| 00:11.58 | hipp | WiFiTux, wait a tic, its pasting |
| 00:12.03 | WiFiTux | ElectricElf, ok. |
| 00:12.12 | WiFiTux | hipp, what are you pasting, a wallpapper? |
| 00:12.18 | Jeo | thats nice... now I can not find the PID of the ddclient |
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| 00:12.37 | Jeo | there are a dhclient this isnt the same |
| 00:12.40 | Bogaurd | citral, i looked in the bts, nothing like what im having |
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| 00:12.44 | Random832 | anyone use slrn? the tree has suddenly shrunk to one line and moved to the bottom of the window - How do i fix this? |
| 00:12.49 | WiFiTux | jeff, say what? dhclient? |
| 00:12.59 | citral | Bogaurd: and it's a woody package, not a backport? |
| 00:13.04 | Jeo | ps -C ddclient no pid |
| 00:13.13 | Bogaurd | citral, yes its a woody package |
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| 00:13.21 | Jeo | I have a PID to dhclient |
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| 00:13.31 | Jeo | I had a PID to ddclient |
| 00:13.33 | ebydelutece | hi |
| 00:13.35 | Jeo | I killed it |
| 00:13.49 | hipp | WiFiTux, it keeps timing out |
| 00:13.53 | Jeo | I started the ddclient again... and there are no PID |
| 00:13.53 | citral | Bogaurd: so go ahead, and report a bug if you installed it and it just doesn't work. Think on checking the logs, though. |
| 00:13.58 | hipp | WiFiTux, can i pm it to u? |
| 00:13.58 | elnovato | WiFiTux: ok jefe me retiro, bye thanks |
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| 00:14.08 | ebydelutece | could someone help me on a knoppix auestion ? |
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| 00:14.13 | ebydelutece | question |
| 00:14.16 | citral | ebydelutece: #knoppix |
| 00:14.19 | Jeo | WiFiTux: con dios |
| 00:14.21 | ebydelutece | thx |
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| 00:15.18 | WiFiTux | Jeo, que con Dios? |
| 00:15.34 | WiFiTux | hipp, go ahead. |
| 00:15.40 | larsie | WiFiTux: I ment email accounts. Like gmail, but I need to have pop3/smtp. |
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| 00:15.49 | Jeo | perdona, nothing at all :) |
| 00:16.15 | WiFiTux | larsie, e-mail client or server? I don't get it. |
| 00:16.31 | hhstnoc | is anybody here using a DLT tape drive in Debian? |
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| 00:17.01 | hhstnoc | :( |
| 00:17.10 | hhstnoc | its all my poweredge 6300 has for backups |
| 00:17.17 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: someone may... but if you just ask your question, we'll know if we can help you |
| 00:17.39 | hhstnoc | well, i was just wondering if anyone could recommend some good software to use under Linux |
| 00:17.53 | hipp | hhstnoc, my neighbour does |
| 00:17.58 | WiFiTux | hhstnoc, you must have a CD-DVD burner?! :| they are only $40 |
| 00:18.10 | hhstnoc | no IDE bus |
| 00:18.17 | hipp | anyone know how to apt-get backports? |
| 00:18.30 | WiFiTux | hhstnoc, apt-cache search tape backup |
| 00:18.35 | dondelelcaro | hipp: visit apt-get.org or backports.org. There are instructions there |
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| 00:18.46 | hipp | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 00:19.18 | Chewie[] | is undeletion possible from an ext3 filesystem? i just deleted the file a few minutes ago, and i haven't written a whole lot. |
| 00:19.23 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: backup stuff runs the gamut from simple tarballs written to tape, to complex stuff like bacula and amanda... |
| 00:19.39 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: so it really depends on how complex your backups need to be. |
| 00:19.40 | hhstnoc | WiFiTux: besides, how many DVD formats do you know of that can backup an entire 18gb drive? |
| 00:19.55 | hhstnoc | dondelelcaro: just a backup of /home is all we need |
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| 00:20.04 | WiFiTux | hhstnoc, Blue Ray? |
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| 00:20.22 | hipp | dondelelcaro, the FAQ and HOWTO seciton is down on the backports site |
| 00:20.46 | hhstnoc | WiFiTux: heard of them, dont remember how much they hold though. maybe i should just get purchasing to spring for a burner... |
| 00:20.50 | dondelelcaro | hipp: well, the important part is the sources line, that starts with deb http://blabhalbhablah |
| 00:20.51 | WiFiTux | hipp, what could dondelelcaro do about it? |
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| 00:21.07 | dondelelcaro | hipp: you add that to your sources.list, and away you go. |
| 00:21.13 | citral | some magic incantations |
| 00:21.21 | WiFiTux | hhstnoc, I have no tape knowledge here. maybe just hold on and maybe can answer. |
| 00:21.25 | hipp | dondelelcaro, im getting xchat now ;) |
| 00:21.37 | hipp | dondelelcaro, my neighbour already fixed my sources list ;) |
| 00:21.45 | hhstnoc | i found an amanda channel, thanks guys :) |
| 00:21.45 | Chewie[] | gah, nevermind. |
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| 00:22.12 | citral | hhstnoc: amanda is probably noy what you need |
| 00:22.20 | citral | s/noy/not/ |
| 00:22.46 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: yeah, with simple stuff, I'd just be tempted to use tar... but you may be better off with something more featureful |
| 00:22.48 | hhstnoc | citral: as i think about it now and read what amanda does, the multiple hosts part looks tempting |
| 00:22.57 | citral | tar, bzip2 and dd are sufficient for putting /home on a tape I thikn |
| 00:23.00 | WiFiTux | s/was/is/ |
| 00:23.02 | hhstnoc | as we have one DLT drive, and, my boss would also like to be able to backup a Win2k3 server to it |
| 00:23.55 | TheStar | I use a combination ofo rsync, cp, and hardlinks. |
| 00:24.10 | dondelelcaro | citral: you don't even need dd... tar is designed to write straight to tape... |
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| 00:24.21 | hhstnoc | hmm |
| 00:24.23 | citral | ah ok |
| 00:24.36 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, what command do you use? |
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| 00:24.40 | karsten | citral: Tape ARchive. |
| 00:24.42 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: mkisofs |
| 00:24.55 | citral | karsten: heh, right, forgot that :) |
| 00:24.55 | hhstnoc | so, rather than amanda, could i say, script the Win2k3 box to upload directory x to a samba share on the server with the tape drive, then have a cron job TAR it off to the tape? |
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| 00:25.08 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, ahh, so that moves everything to the tape, OK. |
| 00:25.24 | dondelelcaro | WiFiTux: well, I don't have a tape... so it just makes an iso that I burn... |
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| 00:25.53 | dondelelcaro | that was about 9 years ago, I think... |
| 00:25.55 | WiFiTux | dondelelcaro, of course. I would use a DVD-Burner aswell. |
| 00:26.05 | WiFiTux | cafuego, you need vacations. |
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| 00:26.12 | hhstnoc | yeah...im leaning that way more and more thinking now. |
| 00:26.24 | cafuego | WiFiTux: just 'a' vacation would do, too |
| 00:26.45 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: yeah... but if you've got large amounts of data, not much beats a bunch of tape drives with a tape robot |
| 00:27.00 | WiFiTux | cafuego, you are telling me, I should have said You need a vacation? |
| 00:27.08 | hhstnoc | yeah, like a nice autoloader? |
| 00:27.12 | TheStar | hhstnoc: Like, a few hundred gig. |
| 00:27.20 | cafuego | WiFiTux: yes |
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| 00:27.23 | TheStar | hhstnoc: Personally, I just like a second server and backup to that. |
| 00:27.27 | hhstnoc | well im looking at...4 70s, so 280gb |
| 00:27.30 | WiFiTux | cafuego, ok, Singular. |
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| 00:27.45 | citral | tar looks simple, but it's very advanced when you read the man |
| 00:27.46 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's starting to get into the tape robot range... |
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| 00:27.58 | dondelelcaro | citral: heh. the manpage lies too... you've got to read the info documentation. |
| 00:28.09 | citral | so much functionalities a gui would never have |
| 00:28.23 | hhstnoc | jeeze, to think a damn school district would have an autoloader sitting on one of their servers. |
| 00:28.31 | dondelelcaro | hahahaha |
| 00:28.50 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: well, in that case, just be glad that you can backup the data at all. ;-) |
| 00:28.57 | Bogaurd | any idea why vsftpd requires a user to ahve shell access to login? it didnt need it on my old system :\ |
| 00:29.04 | Danar | Okay, i deleted my XF86Config files and ran dexfonf & dpkg-reconfigure, and now i have a different problem |
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| 00:29.09 | Danar | PCI: Unable to reserve mem region #1:8000000@e0000000 for device 0000:01:00.0 |
| 00:29.09 | Danar | radeonfb: cannot reserve PCI regions. Someone already got them? |
| 00:29.09 | Danar | radeonfb: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -16 |
| 00:29.17 | Danar | ^ from dmesg |
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| 00:29.28 | dondelelcaro | Bogaurd: that depends how you have vsftpd set up. The default configuration is to use the passwd logins |
| 00:29.36 | WiFiTux | Danar, ATI support sucks. |
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| 00:29.40 | Danar | when i startx the monitor gives a 'sync out of range' error, then i get that |
| 00:29.53 | Bogaurd | dondelelcaro, how can i change it not to need shell access? |
| 00:29.54 | hhstnoc | dondelelcaro: our current production environment consists of the following: one (1) cobalt Qube 3. hows that for backups? |
| 00:29.57 | paster | "hipp" at 203.208.88.138 pasted "hipp's lilo.conf" (153 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/183 |
| 00:30.00 | Danar | WiFiTux, that may be so, but it worked fine before. it's something else |
| 00:30.03 | baronsamedi | WiFiTux, I've had no problems with my comps, and I always use ATI's |
| 00:30.08 | WiFiTux | Danar, ahh |
| 00:30.14 | WiFiTux | baronsamedi, still it sucks. |
| 00:30.14 | karsten | Danar: You're overdriving your monitor. |
| 00:30.18 | Zap-W | anyone know if a p133mhz is able to deliver 100MBit transfers without killing the box? |
| 00:30.25 | karsten | Danar: Select lower resolution, refresh, color depth, or all of the above. |
| 00:30.27 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: heh. You're definetly at a school district |
| 00:30.33 | WiFiTux | !tell Danar about sync |
| 00:30.38 | runixd | Zap-W, yes |
| 00:30.40 | baronsamedi | WiFiTux, it _could_ be better *g* still, beats a non-free module |
| 00:30.45 | Danar | karsten, it worked fine before with these monitor settings |
| 00:31.01 | hhstnoc | yeah, but soon we'll be a nice debian backend with some good LDAP replication servers. tis all a dream now though |
| 00:31.07 | hhstnoc | be=have |
| 00:31.10 | jan___ | hi, what entry's do i need in /etc/pam.d/samba to let samba properly work with PAM, want to let users have access to their home directory ? |
| 00:31.12 | hipp | hey my paste went through |
| 00:31.12 | WiFiTux | Danar, we are telling you boy, there is something wrong... :) X can't start? |
| 00:31.19 | Danar | WiFiTux, right |
| 00:31.26 | baronsamedi | Danar, what ATI card? |
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| 00:31.40 | Danar | baronsamedi, ATI Radeon 9200 SE |
| 00:31.40 | citral | hipp: to the end of lilo.conf, you have lines beginning with #. edit them, remove the # and put the right values for your windows partition. then run lilo |
| 00:31.55 | Bogaurd | dondelelcaro, any idea on how i can change it not to need shell access? |
| 00:31.58 | dondelelcaro | hhstnoc: yeah... that'll make it easier... anyway, good luck with it. |
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| 00:32.07 | citral | hipp: I mean edit ONE BLOCK |
| 00:32.08 | dondelelcaro | Bogaurd: I don't use vsftpd. The manpage should explain it. |
| 00:32.15 | Bogaurd | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 00:32.16 | hhstnoc | dondelelcaro: thanks for your suggestions. |
| 00:32.17 | hipp | citral, it did the logical partitions wierdly |
| 00:32.32 | citral | hipp: define "it" |
| 00:32.48 | Danar | Okay, i used to use my USB mouse via a PS/2 adapter with limited functionality. i'm trying to use it via straight USB, and now x won't start |
| 00:33.14 | baronsamedi | Danar, there's a diatribe on USB/PS/2 functionality somewhere in /usr/share/doc |
| 00:33.17 | citral | Danar: your mouse is now in /dev/input/mice |
| 00:33.34 | Danar | citral, i know... and i'm sure i specified that |
| 00:33.45 | citral | Danar: you also need the usbmouse module |
| 00:33.55 | Danar | citral, pretty sure i have it |
| 00:34.17 | citral | Danar: do you have other usb devices working? |
| 00:34.23 | Danar | citral, nope |
| 00:34.49 | Danar | could it be that the resources it's trying to use for the mouse are needed for the vid card? |
| 00:34.49 | citral | Danar: so you probably need to load uhci-hcd and ohci-hcd, too |
| 00:35.04 | citral | Danar: unless you have hotplug |
| 00:35.08 | Danar | citral, i've seen boot messages about those. they load |
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| 00:35.55 | Danar | citral, not sure about that... |
| 00:35.55 | Danar | PCI: Unable to reserve mem region #1:8000000@e0000000 for device 0000:01:00.0 |
| 00:35.55 | Danar | radeonfb: cannot reserve PCI regions. Someone already got them? |
| 00:35.55 | Danar | radeonfb: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -16 |
| 00:35.55 | Danar | that's the message i'm getting now |
| 00:36.05 | TheStar | Can anyone help me fix gzip? |
| 00:36.17 | TheStar | I'll post the strace to #flood if anyone wants to help... |
| 00:36.17 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: maybe... what's wrong with it? |
| 00:36.26 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Segfaults. |
| 00:36.37 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: oh, that. You'll need to get a backtrace of it. |
| 00:36.37 | citral | time for memtest |
| 00:36.47 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Like this: |
| 00:36.48 | TheStar | # gzip |
| 00:36.48 | TheStar | Segmentation fault |
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| 00:37.11 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: ulimit -c unlimited; gzip...; SEGV; gdb /bin/gzip core; bt full; |
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| 00:37.26 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: That's as root, btw. |
| 00:37.40 | TheStar | Oh, I'll try that! |
| 00:37.47 | TheStar | What's "bt full"? |
| 00:37.52 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: backtrace full |
| 00:37.58 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: it's a gdb command. |
| 00:37.58 | TheStar | Ok. |
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| 00:38.24 | wers | I just installed sarge on my laptop and need help calibrating the mousepad, i can steer the pointer but it keeps return to one corner. any tips? |
| 00:38.25 | sven | how can i figure out which package contains a given file? |
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| 00:38.28 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: you might also try reinstalling gzip and libc6 |
| 00:38.35 | dondelelcaro | sven: dpkg -S; or /msg dpkg search |
| 00:38.39 | sven | thanks, dondelelcaro |
| 00:38.44 | wers | in X, ofcorse |
| 00:38.47 | sven | wers: that's typically due to wrong protocol type |
| 00:38.56 | sven | wers: upper right corner, right? |
| 00:38.56 | citral | sven: or if the package is not installed, apt-file search |
| 00:39.01 | dondelelcaro | sven: this sort of stuff is covered in the Debian Reference, by the way... |
| 00:39.02 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Doesn't want to reinstall. |
| 00:39.02 | wers | sven: ok.. not Imps2 |
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| 00:39.08 | sven | citral: that doesn't seem to be very accurate |
| 00:39.18 | sven | but thanks |
| 00:39.19 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: oh, it's probably segfaulting before it can even decompress the tarball. |
| 00:39.24 | citral | sven: it is, run apt-file update |
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| 00:39.32 | CAiRO | has somebody already fixed the initscripts for bootsplash so they work with file-rc? |
| 00:39.33 | Danar | anyone know what i should do? |
| 00:39.35 | TheStar | #0 0x0805340c in _IO_stdin_used () |
| 00:39.36 | TheStar | No symbol table info available. |
| 00:39.38 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: does anything else segfault? |
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| 00:39.41 | CAiRO | or fixed file-rc so it works with bootsplash |
| 00:39.55 | wers | sven: u know what protocoll i should use? |
| 00:39.59 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: No, although shorewall doesn't work either, it hangs when it'ss "loading modules" |
| 00:40.02 | Danar | x won't start, gives errors about my vid card. might have something to do with my mouse |
| 00:40.18 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: hrm... what version of gzip do you have? |
| 00:40.35 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: The one with woody, just a moment. |
| 00:40.44 | stew | TheStar: you might wanna run memtest86 |
| 00:41.11 | TheStar | #0 0x0805340c in _IO_stdin_used () |
| 00:41.17 | sven | wers: no. sorry |
| 00:41.26 | TheStar | Oops, that was supposed to be: gzip is version 1.3.2 |
| 00:41.27 | sven | citral: ah, thanks |
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| 00:41.44 | TheStar | stew: I'd have to bring the server down for that. |
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| 00:41.57 | Danar | which command do i run again to specify /dev/input/mice ? |
| 00:41.59 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: this is i386, right? |
| 00:42.03 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Yup. |
| 00:42.16 | citral | Danar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:42.23 | Danar | k |
| 00:42.27 | citral | say NO to framebuffer |
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| 00:42.37 | citral | and leave PCI blank |
| 00:42.56 | Danar | another thing, one of the questions asks me to specify my video card's bus ID, but i don't know it. it says to check lspci, but it doesn't specify it |
| 00:43.07 | TheStar | Danar:Leave it blank. |
| 00:43.09 | citral | Danar: leave it blank |
| 00:43.10 | Danar | i do |
| 00:43.10 | karsten | Danar: Ignore bus ID. |
| 00:43.11 | Danar | k |
| 00:43.18 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: try http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/temp/bin/gzip and see if that segfaults too |
| 00:43.22 | karsten | Danar: That's only for non-x86 systems. Which the same screen notes. |
| 00:43.29 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: The md5sum probably even matches. |
| 00:43.36 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: hrm.. what's your md5sum? |
| 00:43.37 | Danar | citral, i don't get a question about frame buffer |
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| 00:43.55 | TheStar | # md5sum `which gzip` |
| 00:43.56 | dondelelcaro | should be 8ab687ecd2bef48937b4b08165206a9d gzip |
| 00:43.58 | TheStar | 98b2ab9d70d81dd6fc1336ee7cf53f4c /bin/gzip |
| 00:43.58 | citral | Danar: no matter |
| 00:43.59 | karsten | Danar: It's one of the video driver options. |
| 00:44.05 | karsten | Danar: it == fb. |
| 00:44.13 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: this is the newest one with the security fixes, right? |
| 00:44.20 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: I believe so. |
| 00:44.27 | karsten | TheStar: 9588ea4b8c6f81a5ee5ff0890f8d34c6 /bin/gzip |
| 00:44.27 | Danar | i guess one of my previous answers causes it to bypass that Q |
| 00:44.29 | dondelelcaro | ok, then the md5sum is wrong... |
| 00:44.47 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Let me try yours then. |
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| 00:44.51 | Danar | kvn, i'll try once again. |
| 00:44.55 | citral | Danar: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 to be sure |
| 00:44.56 | karsten | TheStar: ...though version matters. |
| 00:45.00 | Danar | er that was supposed to be 'k' |
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| 00:45.12 | Danar | citral, '-plow'? |
| 00:45.16 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: (that's just from wget http://security.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/g/gzip/gzip_1.3.2-3woody3_i386.deb; dpkg-deb -x gzip_1.3.2-3woody3_i386.deb; if you want to make your own) |
| 00:45.17 | citral | Danar: -plow |
| 00:45.33 | Danar | i'm asking for an explanation.. |
| 00:45.33 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: 'course, you won't be able to do that with a broken gzip... |
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| 00:45.35 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Your md5sum is of the .deb, is it? |
| 00:45.39 | Danar | what's "-plow" do? |
| 00:45.41 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: no, off gzip itself |
| 00:45.49 | citral | low priority, or ask the maximum questions |
| 00:46.01 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Ok, give me a moment, and let me grab that gzip then. |
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| 00:46.11 | Danar | ok. hope it doesn't ask something i can't answer :/ |
| 00:46.12 | Newport | hrm |
| 00:46.14 | dondelelcaro | (gunzip is just a hardlink to gzip... so it should be ok...) |
| 00:46.21 | citral | Danar: nope :) |
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| 00:46.29 | [Kbitter] | i need help on using iptables to share internet access to dial-up users... does anyone can help me? |
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| 00:46.53 | citral | [Kbitter]: you can just install the ipmasq package |
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| 00:47.31 | [Kbitter] | citrals: is that it?? |
| 00:47.35 | Danar | another thing, i'm not completely certain about the H and V refresh rates. i'm booting from knoppix right now though, and it says H:30-85 & V:50-160 |
| 00:47.44 | Danar | when booting |
| 00:47.45 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Umm, how do I "open" .deb files? |
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| 00:47.51 | Newport | ok check this out.. when i connect to my work via cisco vpn software, i can connect to anything on the network but everything only partialy loads..liek i webpage will load all the test and half an image or a doc that im trying to dload will only get the first 100k then timeout... any suggestions? my work doesnt support the linux linux client so they are useless :) |
| 00:47.58 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: with dpkg-deb -x foo.deb |
| 00:48.04 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
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| 00:48.07 | citral | [Kbitter]: that's it, but they won't be able to transfer files via ICQ or things like that without tuning |
| 00:48.22 | kruzi | heyas all where can i get the latest version of dhcpcd from for a machine offline? |
| 00:48.31 | kruzi | for sarge |
| 00:49.04 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: Ok, that's working well. |
| 00:49.24 | ApEtc | kruzi: Packages.debian.org |
| 00:49.34 | [Kbitter] | citral: hum... ok.. because all my clients have trouble trying to enter in some sites.. its too slow.. |
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| 00:49.44 | TheStar | Hmm, still seg faults. |
| 00:50.13 | citral | [Kbitter]: hum, if you share a 56k dialup connection between 20 people, it cannot be fast |
| 00:50.34 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: If I run it in the location it unpacked, it's good, but if I move it and overwrite original, it segfautls. |
| 00:50.45 | hipp | citral, what do u suggest i change? |
| 00:50.46 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: I seriously hope I don't have a faulty HDD. |
| 00:50.51 | [Kbitter] | citral: no.. i have a 256k link.. :-) |
| 00:51.12 | skyisblue | TheStar: what is the deb? |
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| 00:51.28 | citral | [Kbitter]: you want them to msn, ICQ, play games online and things like that? |
| 00:51.28 | WiFiTux | wo0t! |
| 00:51.41 | TheStar | skyisblue: The very lateset with sec patches, etc, url as above. |
| 00:51.47 | TheStar | skyisblue: For woody. |
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| 00:52.07 | citral | [Kbitter]: or simply surfing the web? |
| 00:52.19 | [Kbitter] | citral: yes.. please |
| 00:52.20 | skyisblue | TheStar: have you tried to remove and reinstall it? |
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| 00:52.28 | Okay | with the ls command can you list files starting with w only for example? |
| 00:52.37 | jon_do | hello, need help here... |
| 00:52.53 | [Kbitter] | citral: I want them to do every thing if its possible. |
| 00:52.54 | citral | [Kbitter]: that was a question... what are your clients supposed to do? only browse the web or more? |
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| 00:52.56 | TheStar | Ok, the md5sum of the source and target gzip's following cp is different :( |
| 00:53.02 | TheStar | skyisblue: Yes. |
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| 00:53.18 | jon_do | I've created a separate partition to hold my /home/user |
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| 00:53.35 | [Kbitter] | citral: I want to give full acess to them... |
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| 00:53.48 | jon_do | after copying everything to that partition that user cant login |
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| 00:53.56 | citral | [Kbitter]: then there's a nice package called jay's iptables firewall that may suit your needs. It does NAT, port forwarding etc and is easy to use |
| 00:54.07 | kremlyn | If I install sarge now using one of the new installer betas, when sarge goes stable I won't need to change sources.list right? |
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| 00:54.22 | skyisblue | Kbitter: firestarter or shorewall |
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| 00:54.26 | kremlyn | Provided 'sarge' is listed by name |
| 00:54.39 | amand | hello! for security its good to have the DocumentRoot owned by an unprivileged user insted of the /var/www owned by root ? |
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| 00:54.51 | TheStar | Ok, is it safe to run badblocks on a mounted partition? |
| 00:54.58 | [Kbitter] | skyisblue: i'm using iptables.. |
| 00:55.00 | kbrooks | what is the channel's bot named? and what version is the bot? |
| 00:55.17 | [Kbitter] | citral: i'm already using iptables.. |
| 00:55.18 | skyisblue | Kbitter: http://shorewall.sf.net |
| 00:55.26 | pipeline | amand: It doesn't matter a whole lot, but it's a good idea to run your web server as a different user from the owner of the www documents |
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| 00:55.49 | kbrooks | because really i basically need to get some help on commands -- how to add one, how to delete one, etc. |
| 00:56.00 | pipeline | amand: To prevent an exploited apache from modifying .htaccess files or being used to deface your site |
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| 00:56.13 | citral | [Kbitter]: and it works already? the connection is shared? |
| 00:56.21 | kbrooks | because i suspect that the channel i am in has the same bot. |
| 00:56.38 | bwlang | anybody know if 64 bit pci cards will also work in a 32 bit slot ? |
| 00:56.47 | amand | pipeline: i see. so i wanna create a /home/web and put there all the websites |
| 00:56.48 | Bogaurd | in debian woody, i know i can make things execute at startup, but where can i define which init.d services start at startup? |
| 00:56.56 | Lord-Cereburus | srry about that, client is a mess |
| 00:56.58 | kbrooks | dpkg: literal CMD: topicsmite |
| 00:56.59 | dpkg | kbrooks: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:57.10 | skyisblue | few firewalls are often conflict each other, (i.e. ipmasq and shorewall) |
| 00:57.14 | pipeline | amand: As long as it is neither owned-by nor writable-by the user that apache runs as, that should be fine |
| 00:57.16 | kbrooks | anyone? |
| 00:57.28 | [Kbitter] | citral: yes it is.. i'm already sharing the connection, but some sites my users take a lot of time to enter.. |
| 00:57.35 | jon_do | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:57.40 | skyisblue | but, other firewalls are just fine. more over it's better. |
| 00:57.51 | citral | [Kbitter]: if you have slowness problems accessing websites, maybe some of your clients are downloading too much or things like that, and there is no bandwith left for the others. |
| 00:57.54 | pipeline | jon_do: is the /home/user mountpoint writable by that user? |
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| 00:58.25 | citral | [Kbitter]: anyway installing squid would greatly improve the response time while surfing on internet |
| 00:58.27 | jon_do | pipeline, how can i check that? |
| 00:58.41 | pipeline | jon_do: ls -l |
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| 00:59.19 | CykniMe | holla |
| 00:59.28 | hipp | citral, what did i have to change in lilo.conf |
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| 00:59.48 | skyisblue | freeshell ;) |
| 00:59.59 | [Kbitter] | citral: I don't think so, bacause we are starting the provider.. we dont have too many users.. actually we have less than 10 users right now.. |
| 01:00.28 | citral | hipp: there is an example at the end of lilo.conf with label"WinXP". uncomment the lines (remove the #) and edit it to fit your partition |
| 01:00.31 | jon_do | pipeline: yes, the ownership of file didn't change |
| 01:00.42 | citral | hipp: then run "lilo" to update the boot-loader |
| 01:00.42 | [Kbitter] | citral: I installed squid and I did it as a transparent proxy.. but the problem wasn't solved. |
| 01:01.06 | CykniMe | freeshells? |
| 01:01.18 | skyisblue | isn't it?? |
| 01:01.23 | citral | [Kbitter]: but are your clients using the proxy? did they set up their web browser to use it? |
| 01:01.24 | Bogaurd | how can i tell debian to start /etc/init.d/apache at startup? |
| 01:01.29 | CykniMe | another |
| 01:01.37 | jon_do | pipeline, it shows: -rw-r--r-- 1 user user etcetc |
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| 01:01.48 | hipp | citral, i understand everything except editing it to fit my partition, its on the first hardrive (second scsi hdd is being told to boot) and its on the first logical drive on the scsi hdd 1 (win98 is the first partition on the same hdd) |
| 01:01.56 | bghfhfg | How do I get a command to run during bootup? |
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| 01:02.22 | [Kbitter] | citral: I use iptables to redirect the packets for them.. from port 80 to 3128 |
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| 01:02.28 | interalia | Bogaurd: if you look at the script, it probably examines a file, something like /etc/default/apache |
| 01:02.33 | citral | hipp: fdisk -l should give you the right partition name |
| 01:02.37 | Newport | what is MTU? |
| 01:02.55 | Newport | as far as eth0 goes? cause setting it to 1500 fixed my vpn issue |
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| 01:02.59 | skyisblue | !firestarter |
| 01:02.59 | dpkg | I am the firestarter!, or http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 01:03.22 | stew | Newport: maximum transferrable unit, largest allowed packet size |
| 01:03.25 | interalia | Newport: Maximum Transmission Unit. type 'defnite MTU' into google |
| 01:03.27 | Newport | thanks! |
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| 01:04.44 | jon_do | Sorry people but i really could use some help... I've created a separate partition to hold my /home/user but after copying everything on previous /home/user to that partition and mounting it that user cant login to gnome, help anyone? |
| 01:04.50 | wers | Is there a "good" kernelimage with support for wlan.. prism2 chipset on a laptop? |
| 01:05.54 | citral | [Kbitter]: I would make tests on my own when nobody is connected, downloading big files etc. to see if you really get the bandwith you pay for. If everything is OK, I'd monitor the clients to see who is downloading all the time with max bandwith. You can always restrict bandwith per user then |
| 01:05.55 | interalia | bghfhfg: make an init script (copy one of the others) in /etc/init.d, call it 'local' or something, then use update-rc.d (man update-rc.d). something like 'update-rc.d 2 defaults 99' is close to what you want. |
| 01:06.10 | TheStar | How should I "mirror" a server if I am certain that the HDD is corrupt? |
| 01:06.17 | interalia | er.. update-rc.d local defaults 99 |
| 01:06.54 | wers | TheStar : Depending on how corrupt.. |
| 01:06.59 | skyisblue | jon_do: chmod 755? |
| 01:07.01 | [Kbitter] | citral: and which tool i could use to monitor the clients. ? |
| 01:07.05 | skyisblue | as root |
| 01:07.13 | hipp | citral, cfdisk ???? (where the question marks are, what do i type to change scsi hdds?) |
| 01:07.36 | TheStar | wers: Well, "shorewall" refuses to run, and I WISH I knew what the issue was, and gzip is corrupt. |
| 01:07.41 | jon_do | skyisblue, will try... |
| 01:07.46 | Bogaurd | how can i alias /etc/init.d to something else so that when i type 'service apache start' it will really do '/etc/init.d/apache start'? i tired, but i cant do it beacuse of the spaces |
| 01:07.50 | TheStar | wers: Everything else, except those programs that use gzip, work fine. |
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| 01:08.51 | jon_do | skyisblue, should i do it recursively? |
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| 01:08.58 | Phated | Bogaurd: alias service apache='/etc/init.d/apache' |
| 01:08.59 | skyisblue | yes! |
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| 01:09.16 | skyisblue | chmod -R thing |
| 01:09.16 | stew | Bogaurd: use invoke-rc.d instead of service |
| 01:09.18 | Bogaurd | Phated, but then i have to do it for all of them :( |
| 01:09.20 | skyisblue | man chmod |
| 01:09.25 | Bogaurd | ok |
| 01:09.29 | Phated | Bogaurd: And that's my fault how? |
| 01:09.37 | citral | hipp: I said fdisk, not cfdisk |
| 01:09.39 | Bogaurd | Phated, its not, of course :) |
| 01:09.58 | Phated | Exactly. Now just use /etc/init.d/apache start because you do have tab-complete. :| |
| 01:10.05 | TheStar | So, how should I mirror a server? |
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| 01:10.41 | interalia | Bogaurd: what's the benefit over just using the init script? |
| 01:10.54 | Phated | There isn't. |
| 01:10.58 | jon_do | skyisblue, well... lets see if it worked, c u |
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| 01:11.06 | Phated | And it's not even shorter to type... |
| 01:11.10 | skyisblue | gluck |
| 01:11.14 | dondelelcaro | TheStar: hrm... maybe remove all of the gzip stuff, and just move those files into their place... |
| 01:11.26 | hipp | citral, whats the command to view the paritions? |
| 01:11.42 | stew | hipp: cat /proc/partitions ; or fdisk -l |
| 01:11.51 | TheStar | dondelelcaro: I was hoping to be able to just install debian, then "run this script to install programs that were on the server, and restore configuration". |
| 01:12.06 | vithos | can somebody point me to a _current_ howto for setting up debian as an internet gateway with ipmasq? |
| 01:12.16 | stew | TheStar: maybe: /msg dpkg selections |
| 01:12.22 | hipp | stew, thanks |
| 01:12.22 | interalia | Bogaurd: to do what you want you need a shell function, but it's not worth the effort. |
| 01:12.27 | TheStar | vithos: I like shorewall, although mine is'nt working right now. |
| 01:12.30 | interalia | at least, IMO |
| 01:12.36 | caphuso | 1) install debian 2) install ipmasq 3) done |
| 01:12.52 | TheStar | stew: And then copy over the /etc? |
| 01:13.04 | skyisblue | yeah shorewall need example. |
| 01:13.06 | hipp | citral, Windows98 = /dev/sdb1, WindowsXP= /dev/sdb5 |
| 01:13.12 | vithos | caphuso: I've done that, but it's definately not done |
| 01:13.21 | vithos | TheStar: I'll look it up, thanks |
| 01:13.29 | skyisblue | extract it and copy 4 files into /etc/shorewall/ |
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| 01:14.18 | caphuso | vithos: sure? |
| 01:14.31 | stew | TheStar: etc and home, and whatever needs to move from /var (/var/lib/mysql? /var/www?) plus whatever you have in /opt | /usr/local | /srv |
| 01:14.38 | dondelelcaro | !maq |
| 01:14.41 | dondelelcaro | !masq |
| 01:14.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, masq is See: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html by JohnFlux :), or do "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and view the rules with iptables -t nat -L, or >> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Masquerading-Simple-HOWTO/index.html << url has changed |
| 01:14.45 | dondelelcaro | vithos: see above. |
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| 01:15.01 | dondelelcaro | !tell gerry about away |
| 01:15.05 | vithos | thanks |
| 01:15.17 | TheStar | stew: I think I might take a chance with a tar -cvjp transfer :( |
| 01:15.24 | caphuso | gerry is away: kickbanned |
| 01:15.30 | jon_do | skyisblue, noope |
| 01:15.42 | skyisblue | how? |
| 01:15.51 | jon_do | skyisblue, sends me back to gdm |
| 01:16.32 | jon_do | with no error message |
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| 01:17.44 | skyisblue | jon_do: ctrl+alt+f1 and login as root and su <your_logginname> |
| 01:18.11 | skyisblue | and tell me. |
| 01:18.15 | jon_do | ok |
| 01:18.24 | boffer | how can I delete all line breaks in a document except where it occurs twice in a row (ie writing all text as one line, but leaving paragraphs intact) |
| 01:19.05 | [Kbitter] | citral: and which tool i could use to monitor the clients. ? |
| 01:19.12 | jon_do | skyisblue, it logs the user |
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| 01:19.31 | skyisblue | jon_do: success? |
| 01:19.38 | jon_do | yes |
| 01:20.11 | skyisblue | jon_do: hmm |
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| 01:21.04 | jon_do | but how can get into gnome from the gdm? |
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| 01:21.04 | skyisblue | startx |
| 01:21.04 | pirlouit | hello |
| 01:21.04 | skyisblue | oops |
| 01:21.13 | pirlouit | is it safe to do an upgrade of a samba package while samba is running ? with active mounts ? |
| 01:21.14 | jon_do | I would have to kill my current X session, right? |
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| 01:21.30 | drac | !tell jon_do about start gnome |
| 01:21.32 | Newport | how do i use apt to check what packages can be updated? |
| 01:21.35 | akusarujin | anyone know if 3d SiS drivers exist? or just 2d? |
| 01:21.39 | wers | Only root can use sound on my new installation of sarge, why??, i'v added the user to the audio group, |
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| 01:21.49 | dondelelcaro | boffer: cat foo_file|perl -pe 's/(.)\n/$1/g'; will do it. |
| 01:21.58 | wers | Newport :apt-get updet? |
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| 01:22.02 | wers | Newport :apt-get update |
| 01:22.20 | Phated | wers: Logged out and back in? |
| 01:22.23 | dondelelcaro | rrr.. nevermind. I'm thinking of something else. |
| 01:22.33 | pipeline | jon_do: You need execute permissions on a directory to read what's inside of it without knowing the explicit file name |
| 01:22.57 | wers | Phathed: mmm.. not all consoles no... ill try.. thanks. |
| 01:23.02 | Phated | Have fun. |
| 01:23.06 | jon_do | drac, how is that? |
| 01:23.11 | wers | heh.. |
| 01:23.12 | Newport | that doesnt tell me what packages are new tho? |
| 01:23.27 | jon_do | pipeline, sory u lost me now :) |
| 01:23.44 | dondelelcaro | 's/\n(?!\n)//g;' there... that's better. |
| 01:23.44 | Phated | Newport: After doing that, apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 01:24.09 | Newport | is that safe? |
| 01:24.26 | Phated | If you're on sid, install apt-listbugs first. |
| 01:24.29 | Newport | cause i come from fedora where updates somehow hosed my system |
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| 01:24.54 | skyisblue | jon_do: oh wait, chmod -R 755 to all isn't right. some need write permission. |
| 01:25.05 | skyisblue | 2 |
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| 01:25.43 | interalia | pipeline: no.. always need execute permission on a dir to access a file in it or cd in. need read permission on a dir to list the files it contains (ls) |
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| 01:27.24 | Phated | Newport: As said, install apt-listbugs. That will prevent you from screwing your system. |
| 01:27.38 | dondelelcaro | perl -pe 'BEGIN {$/=undef;} s/\n(?!\n)//sg;' works better... |
| 01:28.18 | [Kbitter] | citral: Are you there? Please, which tool i could use to monitor the clients. ? |
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| 01:28.35 | FieldySnuts | monitor what clients |
| 01:28.39 | dondelelcaro | but perl -pe 's/(?<!^)\n//sg;' is probably best... |
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| 01:30.33 | jon_do | ok, i will state my problem again so that anyone who got here late can understand it :) I've created a new partition to hold my /home/user. After mounting it and copy all files on previous location onto it I cant log into gnome with that user... |
| 01:30.56 | stew | jon_do: can you log into console? |
| 01:31.00 | jon_do | yes |
| 01:31.03 | zignig | jon_do: check the perms of the mount and folders. |
| 01:31.10 | dondelelcaro | jon_do: how did you move the files onto the partition? |
| 01:31.15 | jon_do | done that |
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| 01:31.40 | dondelelcaro | (not to put too fine a point on it, but I smell permission issues) |
| 01:31.42 | citral | [Kbitter]: http://www.qosient.com/argus/ for example |
| 01:32.27 | jon_do | logged as root, copied to tmp, deleted contents, mounted partition, copied from tmp to new location |
| 01:32.57 | hipp | citral, Windows98 = /dev/sdb1, WindowsXP= /dev/sdb5 |
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| 01:33.13 | jon_do | oh shit |
| 01:33.18 | citral | [Kbitter]: ipfm is in debian |
| 01:33.19 | jon_do | i think i got it |
| 01:33.43 | citral | hipp: so? |
| 01:34.02 | vithos | why is IN= OUT=eth1 SRC=<IP> DST=<IP> etc... getting printed to my terminal intermittently? |
| 01:34.03 | hipp | citral, so what do i do in the lilo.conf with that info |
| 01:34.16 | citral | hipp: you edit it, d'oh |
| 01:34.18 | jon_do | i didnt change the permission of /home/user only whats in it |
| 01:34.29 | skyisblue | vithos: syslogd doing that. |
| 01:34.30 | hipp | citral, ok ill try now |
| 01:34.37 | citral | [Kbitter]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2002/04/msg00028.html |
| 01:34.39 | skyisblue | install ulogd |
| 01:34.40 | jon_do | who should be the owner of that dir? |
| 01:34.42 | vithos | ok |
| 01:34.45 | jon_do | root or user? |
| 01:34.50 | CaD|zzz | anyone seen this error before 'cannot open dev/console'? got that after i installed kernel-image 2.6.something |
| 01:35.04 | vithos | ulogd is not installed |
| 01:35.07 | skyisblue | vithos: for more look http://linuxquestions.org |
| 01:35.10 | pau4o | jon_do, user must be owner |
| 01:35.28 | skyisblue | chown |
| 01:35.34 | stew | !linuxquestions |
| 01:35.34 | dpkg | DON'T bother going to linuxquestions.org for help. By and large the people there are Red Hat tools or Mandrake tards or Knoppix morons who don't know a goddamn motherfucking thing about debian, and do nothing but lead innocent newbies astray. See http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/26/2004/06/2/154223 |
| 01:35.43 | jon_do | so, chown user folder? |
| 01:35.48 | skyisblue | ha! ;) |
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| 01:35.54 | hipp | citral, what part do i change? the boot table? |
| 01:36.06 | citral | hipp: there is an example at the end of lilo.conf with label"WinXP". uncomment the lines (remove the #) and edit it to fit your partition |
| 01:36.09 | hipp | citral, coz winxp is already set to sdb5 |
| 01:36.19 | citral | hipp: don't make me repeat please |
| 01:36.20 | jonesy | vithos: you must have some iptables log rules |
| 01:36.42 | citral | hipp: then run "lilo" to update the boot-loader |
| 01:36.45 | debian | iirc linuxquestions charage for some service, too |
| 01:36.45 | hipp | citral, i have removed the # and it is pointing to the dev/sdb5 |
| 01:36.47 | pipeline | interalia: That is not correct. You only need execute permission to get a directory listing. |
| 01:36.57 | pipeline | interalia: and a handful of other things |
| 01:37.01 | citral | hipp: then run "lilo" to update the boot-loader and you're fine |
| 01:37.12 | jonesy | vithos: try using --log-level X to make them only appear in /var/log/messages and not on the terminal |
| 01:37.35 | hipp | citral, im not sure how to run lilo |
| 01:37.39 | debian | I always wish google would exclude 'charge-for-answer' site like expertexchange by default |
| 01:37.45 | citral | hipp: type lilo as root |
| 01:37.51 | jon_do | how about the group? |
| 01:37.58 | hipp | citral, command not found |
| 01:38.11 | jon_do | should I change it to user? |
| 01:38.31 | citral | am I wrong? I could swear it is "lilo" |
| 01:38.43 | jon_do | brb |
| 01:38.43 | Phated | It is "lilo". |
| 01:38.53 | citral | hipp: so type it as root |
| 01:38.56 | Phated | Why not just chmod the dir? |
| 01:39.01 | pau4o | jon_do, drwxr-xr-x 25 pau4o pau4o 1,1K 2005-01-09 00:17 pau4o |
| 01:39.19 | FieldySnuts | @lart suid |
| 01:39.20 | hipp | citral, i am roo |
| 01:39.29 | hipp | citral, root* |
| 01:39.51 | Bogaurd | what is the name for the tc package on debian woody? tc as in traffic controller |
| 01:39.52 | stew | aw |
| 01:40.02 | citral | hipp: type "whereis lilo" |
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| 01:40.09 | stew | Bogaurd: iproute | iproute2 |
| 01:40.17 | Phated | bah, don't no one interrupt my huggle. |
| 01:40.23 | hipp | citral, /etc/lilo.conf lol |
| 01:40.25 | Bogaurd | stew, which is better? |
| 01:40.29 | vithos | jonesy: I'm not sure where I'm mean to use --log-level X |
| 01:40.35 | citral | hipp: you removed lilo? |
| 01:40.35 | debian | Phated: don't handle the interrupt. ;) |
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| 01:40.48 | hipp | citral, twidles thumbs... |
| 01:40.50 | stew | Bogaurd: i belive its iproute2 on woody and was renamed iproute on sarge/sid (they are the same) |
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| 01:41.02 | citral | hipp: you are editing lilo.conf since one hour and you're using grub or what? |
| 01:41.11 | Bogaurd | stew, just tested, its iproute on woody |
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| 01:41.15 | citral | sigh |
| 01:41.19 | hipp | citral, i did apt-get remove lilo ; apt-get install grub |
| 01:41.26 | citral | oh my |
| 01:41.29 | jonesy | in the iptables rule, eg. iptables -A INPUT -j LOG --log-level 1 |
| 01:41.30 | e0n | ok fellows, I am former jon_do and I am here to thank you all :D |
| 01:41.31 | Piru | wow. that's smart |
| 01:41.40 | stew | Bogaurd: ok i must be rembering incorrectly |
| 01:41.41 | citral | hipp: just reboot then, your win XP shit will be there |
| 01:41.44 | debian | citral: haha |
| 01:41.45 | interalia | pipeline: want to try it out for me and see? mkdir test; touch test/a; ls test; chmod 111 test; ls test |
| 01:41.54 | Bogaurd | hmm, i installed it, but after applying my shaper, i still get: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 01:41.58 | hipp | citral, how can i get into debian? |
| 01:41.58 | citral | I quit helping |
| 01:41.59 | Bogaurd | do i need to reboot? |
| 01:41.59 | wers | how can i make Enlightenment show up in my list of sessions in gdm?? |
| 01:42.07 | stew | Bogaurd: uname -r? |
| 01:42.09 | debian | citral: don't give up. XD |
| 01:42.22 | citral | hipp: you'll get a menu next time you reboot, with debian, XP etc. |
| 01:42.23 | Bogaurd | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 01:42.28 | Phated | citral: Don't blame you. |
| 01:42.32 | stew | Bogaurd: /msg dpkg real kernel |
| 01:42.33 | pau4o | jon_do, next time when moving /home/* use tar or cp -a |
| 01:42.37 | debian | citral: you're doing good. :) |
| 01:42.39 | hipp | Phated: hey!! |
| 01:42.45 | hipp | debian: i know he is |
| 01:42.47 | Phated | Hey, what? |
| 01:42.51 | e0n | pau4o, tnx |
| 01:43.02 | hipp | Phated: i dont blame u..... |
| 01:43.07 | cyberia22 | hi, whenever i try to apt-get remove i get the followin error: 'dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: Exec format error. subprocess post removal script returned an error exit status 2' anyone know how to resolve this as i cannot apt-get any new packages. |
| 01:43.16 | pau4o | e0n, :-) |
| 01:43.32 | Phated | You're impossible to help. You do things and don't inform your helper that you did. You don't do things you were told to. *shrugs* He has every justification to throw hiw hands up in exasperation. |
| 01:43.34 | Bogaurd | stew, i need a new kernal? |
| 01:43.42 | stew | Bogaurd: yeah, you have an install kernel right now |
| 01:43.43 | dondelelcaro | cyberia22: you need to fix the postrm script. paste the full output of the run into #flood or use paster. |
| 01:43.49 | Bogaurd | stew, ok |
| 01:43.55 | wers | how can i make Enlightenment show up in my list of sessions in gdm?? |
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| 01:44.06 | Bogaurd | stewm so apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 will do fine? |
| 01:44.09 | CAiRO | is there a way to reduce the time between the grub splash image disappearing and the bootsplash background appearing? it takes like 3 or 4 seconds over here and meanwhile the user can read all kind of boot messages (from the kernel init i think) |
| 01:44.13 | Bogaurd | stew, so apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 will do fine? |
| 01:44.42 | debian | Phated: well said, let me make a factoid out of it |
| 01:45.00 | Phated | Don't please. I'll have to hunt it down and then delete it again. |
| 01:45.10 | e0n | well... now that i am here i havwe one more question... the dirs on /media keep vanishing every reboot. I have to su and create them every time I boot. This happens only whith the cdrom and dvd mount points. Any ideas? |
| 01:45.36 | debian | Phate: hehe |
| 01:45.44 | cyberia22 | the output of apt-get? |
| 01:45.53 | citral | my god, he needed one hour to paste his lilo.conf, then one more hour to edit it, to simply say at the end "I removed lilo and installed grub" GAH |
| 01:46.11 | Piru | citral, depressing, indeed |
| 01:46.21 | debian | Phated: I won't quote you. |
| 01:46.35 | pau4o | citral, is it funny :-) |
| 01:46.37 | debian | Phated: to ensure your safety |
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| 01:46.50 | Phated | *shrugs* My safety has nothing to do with it. |
| 01:46.52 | debian | citral: lovely, isn't it? |
| 01:47.09 | citral | !spoonfeed |
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| 01:47.23 | citral | !test |
| 01:47.23 | dpkg | No, citral, you're not online any more. |
| 01:47.38 | FieldySnuts | @clue citral |
| 01:47.38 | cyberia22 | dondelelcaro: the output of apt-get? |
| 01:47.40 | e0n | pau4o, és português? |
| 01:47.44 | Alien_Freak | what packages do i need to install to be able to play .wmv files? |
| 01:47.51 | FieldySnuts | windows |
| 01:47.53 | Alien_Freak | (and can i install it using apt-get? ) |
| 01:47.56 | FieldySnuts | dunno |
| 01:47.57 | citral | !spoonfeeding |
| 01:47.57 | dpkg | Spoon-feed a newbie for a day and he will come back with more stupid questions. Teach him how to help himself and he will come back with answers. |
| 01:47.58 | Alien_Freak | (besides windows ) |
| 01:48.00 | citral | that is |
| 01:48.01 | pau4o | e0n, I can't understand portugese |
| 01:48.11 | e0n | ok :) |
| 01:48.11 | dondelelcaro | cyberia22: yes. what happens when you run apt-get remove foobar; from the command, all the way to the next command line. |
| 01:48.24 | jcole | !fuck |
| 01:48.24 | pau4o | e0n, sorry |
| 01:48.24 | dpkg | it has been said that fuck is a wonderful, versitile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 01:48.25 | drac | Alien_Freak: use mplayer, and to get it /msg dpkg marillat |
| 01:48.26 | e0n | your nick seems portuguese... |
| 01:48.33 | cyberia22 | dondelelcaro: k gotit |
| 01:48.45 | dondelelcaro | cyberia22: you can also use the paster bot if that's easier. /msg dpkg paster |
| 01:49.17 | jcole | are prism2 wireless modules available for kernel 2.6? |
| 01:49.45 | pau4o | e0n, ;-) but I'm from Bulgaria |
| 01:51.00 | Bogaurd | when i go to upgrade my kernal using apt-get, it tells me to modify my /etc/lilo.conf file. i dont have an /etc/lilo.conf file! |
| 01:51.37 | e0n | pau4o, stoichkov home :) |
| 01:51.42 | pau4o | Bogaurd, do you use grub |
| 01:51.56 | Bogaurd | nope, lilo |
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| 01:51.58 | pau4o | e0n, yeaah that's right |
| 01:52.06 | Bogaurd | but i do have a boot partition |
| 01:52.20 | john | Okay, I just installed debian, but, I can't get it to find my cdrom in /mnt |
| 01:52.24 | john | i'm root.. i cd /mnt |
| 01:52.25 | john | then ls |
| 01:52.27 | john | nothing shows up |
| 01:52.45 | directhex | john, you need to mount a cd to see its contents |
| 01:52.46 | FieldySnuts | make the directory there, man mkdir , then try again |
| 01:52.50 | pau4o | john look for /cdrom |
| 01:52.59 | FieldySnuts | sigh |
| 01:53.04 | e0n | john, try /media |
| 01:53.16 | directhex | /media/cdrom* on sarge, /cdrom* on woody |
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| 01:53.44 | john | okay |
| 01:53.50 | john | ... /cdrom is a directory |
| 01:53.50 | john | so |
| 01:53.53 | e0n | bedtime on GMT, gnite all |
| 01:53.58 | john | how do i mount the cd then? |
| 01:54.13 | john | well i'm on sarge, but okay |
| 01:54.28 | john | okay, i'm in /media/cdrom |
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| 01:54.43 | john | :) thanks guys |
| 01:54.45 | john | ls |
| 01:54.58 | directhex | you be somewhere that isn't the folder in question, and mount /whatever/it/is |
| 01:55.06 | debian | ls -Flart --color |
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| 01:55.39 | Bogaurd | when i go to upgrade my kernal using apt-get, it tells me to modify my /etc/lilo.conf file. i dont have an /etc/lilo.conf file! i am using lilo, and i do have a boot partition. any ideas? |
| 01:55.43 | elnovato | John: you should use winxp |
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| 01:56.08 | elnovato | you have Bogaurd just you arent aware |
| 01:56.16 | john | heh |
| 01:56.25 | john | Come on now.. I just moved to debian like 5 minutes ago from Mandrake |
| 01:56.45 | john | so, mount /media/cdrom and mount /mnt/cdrom is a little different, sorry for being confused there. |
| 01:57.18 | Bogaurd | elnovato, how can i edit it then? /etc/lilo.conf doesnt seem to exist |
| 01:57.18 | findme | Bogaurd, I would try /boot/lilo/ if it is there, in my case i have grub and it is in /boot/grub |
| 01:57.38 | Bogaurd | no such dir as /boot/lilo |
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| 01:57.50 | debian | john: what did you learn from Mandrake :) |
| 01:57.51 | pau4o | john, why not look in /etc/fstab to see where your cdrom must be mounted ;_) |
| 01:58.27 | CAiRO | how can i force an lcd display to a lower refresh rate, ie 60 hz? |
| 01:58.29 | elnovato | prolly you have grub Bogaurd |
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| 01:59.12 | Bogaurd | elnovato, no, there is not a single file on ym hd referncing to grub, nor do i see a grub menu on boot |
| 01:59.13 | debian | CAiRO: by editing /etc/X11/XF86Config(-4)? |
| 01:59.24 | elnovato | pico /boot/grub/menu.lst << try this Bogaurd |
| 01:59.28 | john | debian, Apparently not enough and... |
| 01:59.29 | elnovato | but we aware im drunk |
| 01:59.32 | john | pau4o, Thank you. |
| 01:59.35 | skyisblue | !drxx |
| 01:59.35 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:59.35 | CAiRO | debian: yes, but which setting do i have to change? |
| 01:59.48 | Bogaurd | there is no /boot/grub/ |
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| 01:59.53 | debian | john: please free feel to ask here |
| 01:59.59 | skyisblue | CAiRO: drxx is for you. |
| 02:00.00 | elnovato | Bogaurd: whats your distro? |
| 02:00.06 | john | Thank you :) |
| 02:00.19 | Bogaurd | debian woody |
| 02:00.22 | debian | CAiRO: probably the 'Monitor' section |
| 02:00.34 | CAiRO | debian: simply "editing" the /etc/X11/XF86Config(-4) wouldn't help me much, probably |
| 02:00.38 | CAiRO | !drxx |
| 02:00.39 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:00.52 | Phated | Buggering hell, there are enough factoids that say "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ALREADY. |
| 02:01.04 | debian | CAiRO: well, why bother running the wizard when you coudl easily do so by vi? |
| 02:01.07 | skyisblue | XD |
| 02:01.12 | Bogaurd | i have a file named /usr/sbin/liloconfig |
| 02:01.17 | Phated | It's not funny. Fucking bloodyidiots. |
| 02:01.18 | dondelelcaro | gahh... more moronic freshmen who can't e-mail worth crap |
| 02:01.18 | FieldySnuts | lazy / unclued folks |
| 02:01.29 | Bogaurd | would that help elnovato? |
| 02:01.41 | Phated | debian: Back off. |
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| 02:01.47 | FieldySnuts | lol |
| 02:01.52 | skyisblue | XD |
| 02:01.53 | john | okay debian, how about this... |
| 02:01.58 | kisshi | "defoster kde-core" fail, report: http://debian.cn99.com/debian/pool/main/l/lm-sensors/libsensors3_2.9.0-7_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
| 02:02.02 | elnovato | i use grub sorry |
| 02:02.05 | john | The GUI is nasty at first install of x-window-system... how would I go about configuring that a bit? |
| 02:02.09 | CAiRO | debian: yes, i agree, if only i knew which setting... it's not like the 75 hz the display uses now are set there anywhere |
| 02:02.17 | Phated | You would install a proper window manager, john. |
| 02:02.45 | john | I'm using fluxbox.. but everything seems rather big... |
| 02:02.55 | abrotman | res |
| 02:03.12 | Adrian | john: sarge? |
| 02:03.14 | debian | john: you didnt' configure your XF86Config(-4) properly |
| 02:03.19 | Phated | Openbox, openbox! |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | blackbox!! |
| 02:03.28 | elnovato | whats raki? sake? |
| 02:03.35 | Qo-noS_ | ion2! ion2! |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | elnovato: check wikipedia.org |
| 02:03.42 | debian | john: beside, I happen to be a KDE advocate, care try KDE? |
| 02:03.45 | jcole | !openbox |
| 02:03.45 | dpkg | [openbox] blackbox, but leeter. http://www.openbox.org, or better than fluxbox. |
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| 02:03.53 | abrotman | !blackbox |
| 02:03.53 | dpkg | blackbox is probably a Window manager for X or tormenting mhall by hiding the unminimize button. or at blackbox.alug.org or unique in that its icons are completely invisible, and must be accessed via the middle-click menu, or check the bbtools factoid for a listing of some of the nifty tools to use... |
| 02:04.21 | elnovato | whats yer prob pharted? |
| 02:04.26 | debian | john: you know when you ever mention the name of a wm/dm, you'd get lots of feedback |
| 02:04.33 | john | lol |
| 02:04.46 | skyisblue | !ratpoison |
| 02:04.46 | dpkg | i heard ratpoison is the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net for more info The WM with No Flashy Wank! |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | !cde |
| 02:04.56 | dpkg | well, cde is the crappy desktop environment or laughable when it takes >45 seconds to load on a alpha box with 192 megs of ram. Common Desktop Environment, derived from HP's VUE. Non-free, evil. very ugly, or the spawn of satan. Commercial Desktop Environment, or as ugly as xfce |
| 02:04.59 | Gertrude | Is there a way to see a history of the files thathave been updated via apt? |
| 02:05.01 | debian | john: you wanna do the wizard, or vi the XF86Config(-4) with me? |
| 02:05.10 | FieldySnuts | that last root exploit in the topic, it's not just SMP it's HT as well, might want to update that, covers a lot more people |
| 02:05.24 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: ht is smp... |
| 02:05.27 | john | hmmm.. well, let's try to vi |
| 02:05.34 | debian | dondelelcaro: is it? :o |
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| 02:05.38 | FieldySnuts | dondelelcaro: i don't think most users know that, just a suggestion |
| 02:06.07 | dondelelcaro | ahh... well, presumably they would if they've actually got HT working... |
| 02:06.20 | dondelelcaro | but if people think it's useful, it's trivial to add. |
| 02:06.28 | dondelelcaro | (well, assuming it'll fit |
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| 02:06.42 | skyisblue | HT is HyperThreading? |
| 02:06.45 | elnovato | xfce4 isnt ugly |
| 02:06.48 | dondelelcaro | skyisblue: yeah |
| 02:06.54 | elnovato | skyisblue: Hot Tornado |
| 02:06.57 | Zetabyte | hey all - I need set up a cheap fileserver with these 3 SATA drives I have lying around. I plan to obtain, or use, an old cheap 400Mhz-1Ghz machine and run debian on it, and use software RAID. Any suggestions for cheap SATA cards which are debian-friendly? |
| 02:07.19 | Okay | is it possible to keep a user in their directory only when they login via ftp? |
| 02:07.25 | dondelelcaro | Okay: don't give them unix logins. |
| 02:07.49 | jcole | skyisblue: yes... cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags |
| 02:08.17 | Okay | sorry newbie here, what type of logins should I give then? |
| 02:08.22 | debian | Zetabyte: don't buy cheap SATA card fgs |
| 02:08.23 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, system accounts... they only need accounts on the FTP daemon then.) |
| 02:08.26 | anto__o | hey all, any powerpc debian users? |
| 02:08.52 | Zetabyte | I figured =/ but is there anything cheaper than 3ware? any known chipsets or brands? |
| 02:08.58 | Cad | anyone know a fix to the 'real time clock hang' issue? |
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| 02:09.08 | anto__o | i'm wondering on how to set automatic power-on on powerpc (B&W G3) with debian ppc on it |
| 02:09.08 | directhex | Zetabyte, silicon image appears to be linux friendly, but my last siimage was bad enough to need throwing in the sink |
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| 02:09.19 | anto__o | Zetabyte: areca? |
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| 02:09.47 | Zetabyte | ok, silicon image, areca.... now I have some names to research. keep 'em coming =) |
| 02:09.53 | abrotman | elnovato: you find Raki? |
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| 02:10.25 | paster | "cyberia22" at 68.192.114.75 pasted "dondelelcaro" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/185 |
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| 02:10.48 | Varg66 | !fluxbox |
| 02:10.48 | dpkg | it has been said that fluxbox is a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features |
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| 02:11.27 | directhex | Zetabyte, look in /usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi for the files starting with sata_ - those are probably a good bet |
| 02:11.35 | MerlinCorey | !openbox |
| 02:11.35 | dpkg | well, openbox is blackbox, but leeter. http://www.openbox.org, or better than fluxbox. |
| 02:11.40 | CAiRO | is it possible to start gdm in the background without terminals being switched? |
| 02:11.41 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 02:11.45 | dondelelcaro | cyberia22: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/mozilla-xft.postrm; and try again. |
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| 02:13.16 | MerlinCorey | oooh |
| 02:13.20 | MerlinCorey | paster |
| 02:13.23 | MerlinCorey | that's nifty |
| 02:13.27 | r3v | !pool |
| 02:13.27 | dpkg | pool is, like, http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-project-9910/msg00052.html or http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-pools |
| 02:13.38 | Piru | pool party |
| 02:13.42 | john | Okay well, how would I run the wizard to configure my XF86Config(-4) file? |
| 02:13.48 | dondelelcaro | y'all can /msg dpkg <foofactoid>; instead of !<foofactoid> |
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| 02:14.01 | MerlinCorey | john: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, iirc |
| 02:14.01 | r3v | dondelelcaro: I was trying for the wwsr pool |
| 02:14.08 | r3v | dondelelcaro: you remember what it is? |
| 02:14.24 | CLucas916 | is "lame" available using apt-get? |
| 02:14.24 | directhex | john, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 won't run if you've edited te file by hand |
| 02:14.29 | directhex | !lame |
| 02:14.29 | dpkg | lame is probably : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
| 02:14.32 | MerlinCorey | CLucas916: packages.debian.org |
| 02:14.38 | dondelelcaro | r3v: it's sarge pool |
| 02:14.51 | dondelelcaro | r3v: /msg dpkg search; and /msg dpkg help; (see the listkeys and listfactoids commands) |
| 02:14.59 | CLucas916 | MerlinCorey, yeah its not there but that just doesnt seem right to me |
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| 02:15.14 | directhex | john, to reenable it if you edited the file by hand, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" then run dpkg-recongfigure again |
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| 02:15.27 | cyberia22 | dondelelcaro: thanks that seems to have done it@ |
| 02:15.29 | cyberia22 | ! |
| 02:15.34 | skyisblue | good news! 2.6.11-rc1 |
| 02:15.42 | MerlinCorey | CLucas916: why doesn't it seem right? :) |
| 02:15.53 | dondelelcaro | cyberia22: np. all that did was kill off the postrm script, which I think mozilla-xft doesn't really do anything in. |
| 02:15.56 | john | Well, I didn't edit it by hand though |
| 02:15.58 | directhex | skyisblue, massive changes versus 2.6.10, which break everything? |
| 02:16.05 | r3v | dondelelcaro: man... sarge bet is too big to get all at once... thanks though |
| 02:16.09 | john | oh, nevermind.. i see the above writings |
| 02:16.19 | jcole | the perfect debian machine just got cheaper - http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71002/wo/lbcbfmNO8rC43iadVXQKy4sMqtj/0.0.11.1.0.6.21.1.0.1.0.0.0.1.0 |
| 02:16.23 | CLucas916 | MerlinCorey, cuz it just seems popular enough |
| 02:16.40 | MerlinCorey | CLucas916: it's not a popularity contest. mplayer isn't in either |
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| 02:16.43 | jcole | wow, should've tiny url'ed that |
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| 02:16.57 | CLucas916 | MerlinCorey, ahh really |
| 02:16.59 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Actually, some of it -is- a popularity contest. :) |
| 02:17.05 | jcole | it's beautiful |
| 02:17.06 | skyisblue | directhex: it looks fine to me. |
| 02:17.13 | dondelelcaro | jcole: i think it's just apple.com/mini-mac |
| 02:17.15 | directhex | jcole, i think a quad opteron counts more a perfect debian machine |
| 02:17.17 | MerlinCorey | Phated: aye, and hello, dear, I have missed your cheerful visage :) |
| 02:17.30 | dondelelcaro | s/mini-mac/macmini/ |
| 02:17.30 | directhex | !tell MerlinCorey about popcon |
| 02:17.43 | debian | jcole: a perfect machine for debian for what? :) |
| 02:17.46 | MerlinCorey | directhex: d-i has told me about it many times |
| 02:17.52 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 02:17.57 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Cheerful? |
| 02:18.09 | Phated | But hello. |
| 02:18.11 | MerlinCorey | Phated: well, you smiled, which was better than last I saw you :P |
| 02:18.19 | Phated | The last time... Ah yes. |
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| 02:19.35 | john | brb imma restart x |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | jcole: that is far from the perfect debian machine |
| 02:21.17 | CAiRO | how can i stop xfree from switching the terminal on startup? |
| 02:21.18 | abrotman | jcole: esp. when you consider you have to buy thier stupid wifi card that only apple has drivers for |
| 02:21.27 | abrotman | well .. i guess you could get a USB one .. |
| 02:21.43 | skyisblue | hardware lives longer than us. |
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| 02:21.56 | abrotman | skyisblue: not true .. the chemicals do .. |
| 02:22.23 | jcole | DOH! http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=ffmpeg&version=unstable&arch=powerpc |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 02:23.41 | dpkg | [ppc] short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 02:25.44 | jkarns | Hey all, has anyone here come up with a work-around for APM type display blanking on a box cfg'd for ACPI? i.e., works for console and X |
| 02:26.19 | abrotman | is it broken? |
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| 02:28.09 | jkarns | abrotman: want display blanking on box now cfg'd for ACPI. Kernel has no option for that under ACPI like the APM setting. |
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| 02:29.43 | abrotman | jkarns: maybe ask #kernel or ##linux? |
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| 02:30.19 | jkarns | nobody answers on #kernel - will try ##lin |
| 02:31.31 | hipp | anyone having trouble with backports.org and apt-get? |
| 02:32.24 | Guerin | hipp: details? |
| 02:32.31 | FieldySnuts | @lart |
| 02:32.48 | Guerin | hipp: no, nobody ever had any problems. They're 100% perfect, despite being totally unofficial. |
| 02:33.26 | hipp | Guerin, having problems with stat source packages list http://www.backports.org stable/ |
| 02:33.51 | abrotman | hipp: try again |
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| 02:34.12 | Guerin | hipp: ok, never usse the whole backports.org archive |
| 02:34.31 | Guerin | hipp: choose the applications you want, and use their specific reps |
| 02:34.42 | sciboy | Hmmm... |
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| 02:35.00 | hipp | Guerin, so dont have deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable package |
| 02:35.00 | hipp | deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian stable package ... |
| 02:35.00 | hipp | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.37 | abrotman | hipp: just wait for it to come back . it's not a big deal |
| 02:35.47 | Guerin | hipp: no, that's fine. Just don't have the WHOLE backports.org rep, as with deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable |
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| 02:36.23 | paddy | hi guys |
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| 02:36.24 | hipp | abrotman, wait for what to come back? |
| 02:36.27 | hipp | hey paddy |
| 02:36.46 | abrotman | hipp: what do you thnk .. wait for the server to come back |
| 02:37.07 | paddy | does anybody recall where in /etc the option is hidden that issue and issue.net are overwritten on reboot? |
| 02:37.08 | abrotman | hipp: you know .. the internet isn't perfect .. sometimes thing break |
| 02:37.10 | sciboy | Okey, i am looking at my wacom tablet, when i start up X with it plugged in and my mouse not, the driver picks it up as it should however if i replug it the wrong driver picks it up. |
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| 02:37.38 | abrotman | hipp: and fyi .. backports.org works perfectly fine for me |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | well .. the web site does |
| 02:38.07 | hipp | abrotman, it just has error www.backports.org stable/package Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 02:38.30 | abrotman | hipp: does this work ? http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/ |
| 02:38.49 | hipp | yes it does |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | hipp: so .. the packages file is missing |
| 02:39.30 | walnuck | sciboy: try using a busid |
| 02:39.32 | hipp | abrotman, error on my side? |
| 02:39.34 | Guerin | hipp: Get:4 http://www.backports.org woody/spamassassin Packages [1907B] <-- worksforme |
| 02:39.49 | Guerin | hipp: once again, YOU DON'T NEED THE WHOLE REP |
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| 02:40.05 | hipp | Guerin, how do i get it lol!! |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | hipp: has it ever worked before? |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | !lol |
| 02:40.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one, abrotman! |
| 02:40.13 | hipp | abrotman, im new to backports |
| 02:40.14 | abrotman | not funny |
| 02:40.14 | Guerin | you need the individual reps for specific programs, like I have above for spamassassin ^^ |
| 02:40.18 | sciboy | walnuck, Care to elaborate on that? |
| 02:40.19 | abrotman | hipp: then read the docs |
| 02:40.42 | hipp | abrotman, docs r down on the site |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | !r |
| 02:40.56 | dpkg | r is, like, a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 02:41.00 | Guerin | hipp: what program do you want to install from backports? |
| 02:41.10 | sciboy | How can i find out what driver a device is using? |
| 02:41.12 | walnuck | sciboy: both usb i assume, make use of usbmod-utils - i think.. |
| 02:41.18 | Guerin | hipp: and if you say 'all of them' I shall lart you |
| 02:41.20 | hipp | Guerin, xchat and gaim |
| 02:41.32 | abrotman | hipp: are you on broadband? and this is a workstation? |
| 02:41.43 | Phated | Guerin: Lart him anyway, lart him anyway! |
| 02:41.44 | skyisblue | sciboy: lspci?? |
| 02:42.00 | abrotman | yeah .. cause xchat has really changed lately :) |
| 02:42.08 | hipp | abrotman, broadband yes and its a workstation |
| 02:42.14 | Guerin | hipp: ok. add deb http://www.backports.org woody/xchat and deb http://www.backports.org woody/gaim to your sources.list |
| 02:42.17 | Phated | Bleh, xchat. |
| 02:42.21 | hipp | abrotman, what client is best then for irc? |
| 02:42.26 | FieldySnuts | telnet |
| 02:42.26 | abrotman | hipp: so upgrade to sarge? |
| 02:42.27 | sciboy | walnuck, I see no package by that name. |
| 02:42.33 | Guerin | hipp: or use sarge, which is much saner. |
| 02:42.35 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start an irc client war |
| 02:42.36 | ravenbird | xchat sucks |
| 02:42.38 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 02:42.44 | Guerin | !beer ravenbird |
| 02:42.51 | Phated | Go ravenbird. |
| 02:42.53 | walnuck | sciboy: or you can do it the manual way and read up about the bus id string (form hex 0000:0000 ) ->cat /proc/usb/bus (i'm not sure if this is correct) |
| 02:42.54 | hipp | whats the best then? |
| 02:42.56 | Phated | Smart little bot. |
| 02:43.01 | FieldySnuts | @best |
| 02:43.02 | ravenbird | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! |
| 02:43.08 | Guerin | irssi-text |
| 02:43.11 | iceman | hipp: irssi is very good |
| 02:43.13 | Phated | irssi-text |
| 02:43.18 | skyisblue | tirc |
| 02:43.27 | Phated | You use tirc? |
| 02:43.29 | LanKuchan | need help with samba, i want to share a hard disk to everyone in the network, i added a hard disk (master on IDE2).. then? |
| 02:43.29 | aokaze | is there a way to see what files a debian package installed and where they were installed? |
| 02:43.31 | Qo-noS_ | irssi-text and bitchx ;) |
| 02:43.31 | skyisblue | yes |
| 02:43.32 | walnuck | sciboy: apt-cache search usb |grep 'tool' -or 'util' |
| 02:43.45 | Guerin | LanKuchan: then, you read the samba docs |
| 02:43.51 | sciboy | walnuck, Why not just apt-cache search usb util |
| 02:43.52 | skyisblue | irssi-text make HDD noise which mean holes. |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | !bitchx |
| 02:43.52 | dpkg | Why are you adding such dumb factoids? We don't need more idiots with quit messages. |
| 02:44.02 | FieldySnuts | skyisblue: huh? |
| 02:44.02 | Guerin | skyisblue: ?? |
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| 02:44.10 | Phated | skyisblue: Sorry, my bad. I was thinking of another tirc. |
| 02:44.11 | LanKuchan | ok read some.. but now so sure about it |
| 02:44.22 | FieldySnuts | neither are we, else we'd be #samba |
| 02:44.22 | walnuck | sciboy: why not try it already and stop complaining |
| 02:44.22 | skyisblue | security holes. i guess. |
| 02:44.28 | paddy | does anybody recall where in /etc the option is hidden that issue and issue.net are overwritten on reboot? |
| 02:44.32 | FieldySnuts | @confuse skyisblue |
| 02:44.34 | ravenbird | no where are their hamster yesterday ? |
| 02:44.37 | CAiRO | how can i make xfree not switch the terminal to the one where it is running on start? |
| 02:44.40 | FieldySnuts | gah ravens confuse sucks |
| 02:44.48 | Phated | Allow me. |
| 02:44.50 | Phated | !confuse skyisblue |
| 02:44.51 | dpkg | Yes, what was my mushroom today, skyisblue? pants of the republic of tibet with extra crabpaste |
| 02:44.54 | FieldySnuts | thanks :) |
| 02:45.01 | Phated | :) |
| 02:45.05 | skyisblue | XD |
| 02:45.07 | Guerin | skyisblue: how do you guess that? |
| 02:45.14 | nvz | paddy: use rgrep already ffs |
| 02:45.27 | Phated | Huzzah! |
| 02:45.30 | FieldySnuts | woot |
| 02:45.31 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Where're we going? |
| 02:45.37 | Guerin | ah, they're finally getting a room |
| 02:45.38 | skyisblue | xchat-text, tirc HDD fine |
| 02:45.46 | FieldySnuts | i guess we'll know when we get there |
| 02:45.47 | paddy | nvz, and when you try in a polite way you you try to help in what way? |
| 02:45.48 | Guerin | skyisblue: wtf do you mean by hdd? |
| 02:45.51 | Phated | tirc as in... TalkingIRC? |
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| 02:46.07 | Phated | Guerin: Hush up, you. |
| 02:46.21 | nvz | paddy: nobody hid anything in /etc, but you.. use rgrep to find it |
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| 02:46.53 | paddy | nvz, and you use poor language and a useless method to help. |
| 02:46.58 | Guerin | skyisblue: /nick crackiswhite |
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| 02:47.15 | nvz | paddy: and you use a poor question and repeating to get it |
| 02:47.18 | Phated | paddy: His method is correct. rgrep issue.net /etc. |
| 02:47.20 | skyisblue | :P |
| 02:47.24 | FieldySnuts | i'm tempted to do a blaireau but nah |
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| 02:47.41 | nvz | paddy: I gave you exactly what you asked for, there is no other way |
| 02:47.43 | directhex | !dachs FieldySnuts |
| 02:47.43 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 02:47.47 | FieldySnuts | ow! |
| 02:47.52 | FieldySnuts | what language? |
| 02:47.58 | at0m|c | hoi, i'd like to update my alsa drivers but need to provide the kernel |
| 02:48.00 | Guerin | deustch |
| 02:48.00 | Phated | German? |
| 02:48.04 | paddy | i dont talk about the facts that might be true. i talk about the statement "use this ... for fuck sake". thats just sick and useless. |
| 02:48.05 | Guerin | eh |
| 02:48.08 | Guerin | s/st/ts/ |
| 02:48.16 | FieldySnuts | @troll paddy |
| 02:48.17 | at0m|c | i extracted the .deb, is the source in there? i dont recognise it eh |
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| 02:48.33 | Phated | at0m|c: No, it isn't. |
| 02:48.39 | Guerin | paddy: there's a script that filters out bad language floating around the internet |
| 02:48.47 | paddy | FieldySnuts, you asshole dont get that the troll is nvz here, right? go and lick your mom. |
| 02:48.48 | directhex | !wayttd at0m|c |
| 02:48.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, at0m|c? |
| 02:48.52 | Guerin | you can use it to s/fuck/bunnies/ |
| 02:48.52 | FieldySnuts | oh my |
| 02:48.59 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Go on, do! :) |
| 02:49.00 | at0m|c | i'm trying to locate my source |
| 02:49.00 | Guerin | ooh, speak of the pot |
| 02:49.12 | directhex | at0m|c, what source? |
| 02:49.14 | Cad | dells and that hwclock error with the 2.6 kernel suck, figured it out, but that sucked |
| 02:49.17 | Phated | Your source? Speak to your parents. |
| 02:49.19 | at0m|c | oop, kernel source code |
| 02:49.22 | FieldySnuts | paddy: you can't state your problem clearly, what the hell is nvz supposed to do? sod off |
| 02:49.29 | at0m|c | lol Phated |
| 02:49.32 | directhex | at0m|c, and where would you have obtained such a thing? |
| 02:49.41 | paddy | FieldySnuts, you are still not licking mommy? |
| 02:49.42 | at0m|c | hm it installed from the cd? |
| 02:49.48 | at0m|c | in a .deb package? |
| 02:49.50 | Phated | FieldySnuts: The thing is, nvz provided him with the correct solution. |
| 02:49.55 | FieldySnuts | paddy: c'mon son, you can do better |
| 02:49.58 | directhex | at0m|c, apt-get install kernel-source-2.whatever |
| 02:50.01 | gravity | paddy: I recommend using /ignore. They're not worth it. What's your problem, maybe I can help |
| 02:50.03 | asuffield | hey, that could be fun to watch |
| 02:50.06 | at0m|c | it is installed |
| 02:50.08 | Guerin | ah |
| 02:50.13 | at0m|c | but i need the source to update alsa drivers |
| 02:50.18 | directhex | at0m|c, so extract the .tar.bz2 in /usr/src |
| 02:50.19 | FieldySnuts | gravity: he was given the solution, but still is mad at us, shrug, |
| 02:50.27 | at0m|c | oki i did that |
| 02:50.29 | gravity | FieldySnuts: I know, I'm just trying to calm things down |
| 02:50.31 | directhex | at0m|c, or use a 2.6 kernel, which just has alsa |
| 02:50.34 | paddy | gravity, i was looking for the option within /etc that overwrites issue and issue.net on reboot |
| 02:50.49 | Phated | Ai! |
| 02:51.00 | peterS | better that, I guess, than socking Phated's hide |
| 02:51.01 | skyisblue | at0m|c: aptitude "/" "kernel-source" "n".."+" "g" "g". |
| 02:51.01 | FieldySnuts | dryer ate em. yeah. |
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| 02:51.05 | gravity | paddy: What are issue and issue.net from |
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| 02:51.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yeah yeah. |
| 02:51.10 | FieldySnuts | nice dyslexia |
| 02:51.13 | at0m|c | thanks skyisblue |
| 02:51.18 | at0m|c | directhex, i use kernel 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 02:51.30 | paddy | FieldySnuts, you brainless tard dont get it that your people´s tone is just a pain in the ass. you computer idiots dont get it that you better shut the fuck up if you cant help in a polite way |
| 02:51.38 | FieldySnuts | @ops troll (paddy) |
| 02:51.39 | at0m|c | but the latest alsa drivers have my usb snd card... |
| 02:51.42 | Guerin | at0m|c: if you're going to build a kernel, build 2.6.10 |
| 02:51.43 | sean_micken | i need to build my own package, but i'm not sure on what all the dependencies are... is there an easy to to figure all of them out? |
| 02:51.49 | skyisblue | YAW |
| 02:51.49 | directhex | at0m|c, so you already apt-get installed kernel-source-2.6.8 and tar jxvf's kernel-source.2.6.8.tar.bz2? |
| 02:51.49 | FieldySnuts | god damn it, way to remove @ops |
| 02:51.58 | at0m|c | yes |
| 02:52.01 | Guerin | paddy: you're really not helping your own thesis here |
| 02:52.12 | at0m|c | oh |
| 02:52.18 | paddy | Guerin, i dont care about my thesis anymore when 2 morons are pissing me off |
| 02:52.19 | gravity | paddy: Please, just ignore them. |
| 02:52.22 | dondelelcaro | paddy: please stop, already. |
| 02:52.24 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@paddy.user] by asuffield |
| 02:52.26 | malice | what is the easiest way to disable Xserver from loading automatically? |
| 02:52.26 | asuffield | get lost |
| 02:52.31 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@p5091AFF2.dip.t-dialin.net] by asuffield |
| 02:52.31 | Guerin | paddy: just stop, ftlog |
| 02:52.32 | at0m|c | directhex i dont have the .tar.bz2 source, just the deb package |
| 02:52.42 | directhex | !tell malice about nodm |
| 02:52.49 | gravity | So much for that |
| 02:52.54 | directhex | at0m|c, look in /usr/src |
| 02:53.05 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: 1) ravenbird's ops isn't a cmd: (.*?) 2) there were already ops here... |
| 02:53.15 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
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| 02:53.27 | FieldySnuts | used to be. |
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| 02:53.39 | stephen_ | helo? |
| 02:53.42 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 02:53.46 | FieldySnuts | smtp command? |
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| 02:53.52 | stephen_ | i have a slight problem.. |
| 02:53.52 | at0m|c | directhex, thanks got it |
| 02:53.54 | Guerin | stephen_: 501 Syntax: helo hostname |
| 02:53.56 | Zetabyte | why does promise refuse to just say "card xyz uses chipsed pdc-NN" on their webpage? do they hate linux that much? =( |
| 02:53.59 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: nice |
| 02:54.06 | sparr | ok, ive installed debian before, but its been a while. can someone give me a non-condescending link to the minimal install cd? i want to boot, install base, then get everything else off the net (plain old pci nic) |
| 02:54.08 | stephen_ | my system seems to be eating up memory and its only runnig apache and mqsql |
| 02:54.12 | peterS | 220 hello stephen_ [stewie.lavalan.net], pleased to meet you |
| 02:54.12 | stephen_ | how do i tell whats going on? |
| 02:54.14 | directhex | Zetabyte, yes, they do. |
| 02:54.18 | Guerin | stephen_: that's what they DO. |
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| 02:54.22 | stephen_ | hi peterS ! |
| 02:54.26 | scarynetworkguy | !tell sparr about d-i |
| 02:54.30 | gravity | sparr: Are you going to install stable, or testing/unstable? |
| 02:54.36 | Guerin | stephen_: how much memory, and what are you serving? |
| 02:54.36 | directhex | sparr, desktop or server? |
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| 02:54.44 | stephen_ | Debian stable |
| 02:54.45 | stephen_ | server |
| 02:54.47 | stephen_ | poweredge |
| 02:54.50 | Zetabyte | =( |
| 02:54.56 | stephen_ | 256 mem |
| 02:54.57 | FieldySnuts | \n\n\n\n\n |
| 02:55.02 | Guerin | stephen_: this does not answer any relevant questions |
| 02:55.07 | stephen_ | 800 mhz pentium III |
| 02:55.13 | Guerin | stephen_: what are you serving? |
| 02:55.18 | gravity | stephen_: Ok, then don't go with d-i. One sec, let me see if I can find the link |
| 02:55.21 | pau4o | someone who have problems with nforce2 chipset? |
| 02:55.22 | stephen_ | 2 phpnuke sites |
| 02:55.27 | Guerin | stephen_: and stop using the enter key so much... |
| 02:55.35 | Cad | lol nuke sites |
| 02:55.37 | Cad | bwah |
| 02:55.37 | directhex | pau4o, nforce2 is fine as long as you use sarge/sid not woody |
| 02:55.45 | FieldySnuts | phpnuke = please root me |
| 02:55.50 | gravity | stephen_: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 02:55.53 | stephen_ | seriously tho its eating up 98% |
| 02:55.57 | Guerin | stephen_: run top; and hit shift-M - what's eating ram? |
| 02:56.01 | alnr | i am trying to upgrade woody to sid. on the apt-get i get 84 packages held back. how do those get upgraded? |
| 02:56.07 | pau4o | directhex, I use sarge snapshot form 11.2004 |
| 02:56.12 | directhex | alnr, use dist-upgrade not upgrade. |
| 02:56.14 | stephen_ | can i post the top output here? |
| 02:56.20 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 02:56.30 | FieldySnuts | just tell him what's eating up ram, do what he said |
| 02:56.33 | alnr | thx directhex |
| 02:56.34 | iceman | stephen_: #flood |
| 02:56.37 | pau4o | directhex, but it's very slow |
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| 02:56.54 | directhex | pau4o, very slow at what? brushing |
| 02:56.56 | directhex | bah |
| 02:56.56 | stephen_ | 4 mysql at 4.1 mem and 8 X apache all at 3.3 |
| 02:56.58 | Guerin | stephen_: and give me the output of free |grep +; |
| 02:57.00 | skyisblue | stephen_: php updated? |
| 02:57.04 | directhex | *brushing its teeth |
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| 02:57.13 | vinay | so i have a quick n' simple iptables firewall rule to run at boot, whats the proper place to put this? should i make my own init script just for a firewall rule? |
| 02:57.29 | stephen_ | i did an apt-get dist-upgrade there today.. |
| 02:57.32 | pau4o | directhex, playing movies etc |
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| 02:57.37 | dondelelcaro | vinay: the right place is in an ifupdown hook. man 5 interfaces; to read about it. |
| 02:57.48 | dondelelcaro | vinay: you can, of course, make your own init.d script. |
| 02:57.49 | Guerin | stephen_: free |grep + <--- do it now |
| 02:57.52 | directhex | pau4o, what graphics card and driver? |
| 02:58.00 | skyisblue | vinay: use ipmasq or shorewall. |
| 02:58.02 | stephen_ | -/+ buffers/cache: 65272 191064 |
| 02:58.14 | Sparr_ | directhex: both, but the only server tasks will be an email responder program |
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| 02:58.21 | Guerin | !tell stephen_ about free ram |
| 02:58.21 | FieldySnuts | just in case. |
| 02:58.23 | pau4o | directhex, card is Radeon 7000 driver ati |
| 02:58.55 | Guerin | stephen_: now run free; on its own, and look at the middle line. See how much is in the "free" column? that's how much free ram you REALLY have. |
| 02:58.59 | directhex | Sparr_, if you want packages from after the middle of 2002, with less security in the short term, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 02:59.01 | skyisblue | santy worm like php-sugar. |
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| 02:59.19 | stephen_ | why is that? |
| 02:59.19 | Sparr_ | sarge is unstable? |
| 02:59.30 | gravity | Sparr_: No, sarge is testing |
| 02:59.30 | krenin | sarge is testing |
| 02:59.34 | Guerin | stephen_: read the 'free ram' thing the bot told you about |
| 02:59.43 | stephen_ | yeah I did.. |
| 02:59.47 | Sparr_ | does unstable have a name these days? |
| 02:59.55 | firefly2442 | when I try "ping google.com" it says unkown host google.com |
| 02:59.56 | skyisblue | sid |
| 02:59.57 | Guerin | it's always been sid |
| 02:59.58 | stephen_ | whats with it showing in mem like 5 mg free and 191 in cache? |
| 02:59.59 | abrotman | Fab-Italy: don't fucking do that |
| 03:00.01 | directhex | Sparr_, that would be sid. |
| 03:00.09 | Guerin | stephen_: read the 'free ram' thing the bot told you about again |
| 03:00.15 | pau4o | directhex, when I logout from gnome I have 3-5 sec. to see my first console before gdm is back. Is it normal? |
| 03:00.24 | firefly2442 | is there another way I can test it? |
| 03:00.31 | directhex | pau4o, pretty much. X is like that. |
| 03:00.32 | FieldySnuts | pau4o: yes |
| 03:00.37 | Sparr_ | 110MB is the "small" d-i iso? |
| 03:00.46 | skyisblue | actually worms like script* |
| 03:00.48 | Phated | 110 < 700 thus small. |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | Sparr_: that's the one you want |
| 03:00.53 | Zetabyte | 110MB is miniscule, when the full debian is what, 14 CDs? |
| 03:01.02 | Guerin | stephen_: your OS is caching stuff so it can be accessed quickly. If the ram is needed for something else, it's freed up and used. This is how it's supposed to work. |
| 03:01.05 | directhex | Zetabyte, 7 for woody, 13ish for sarge |
| 03:01.06 | asuffield | 'full' is about 80Gb of stuff |
| 03:01.14 | Cad | that 110mb cd is crap, doesnt work for anything |
| 03:01.16 | Phated | 160 gig HDD, here I come. |
| 03:01.20 | Guerin | Cad: bollocks. |
| 03:01.28 | Guerin | Phated: ??? |
| 03:01.30 | Cad | come get it to work on my hardware i'll give you $10 |
| 03:01.35 | directhex | Cad, which 110mb cd though - d-i or woody netinst? |
| 03:01.36 | Guerin | ooh, $10 |
| 03:01.41 | stephen_ | IC.. thanks Guerin! |
| 03:01.41 | skyisblue | 160G? so silently. |
| 03:01.42 | Phated | Guerin: Well if full is 80+ gigs... :) |
| 03:01.43 | Cad | netinst |
| 03:01.46 | Guerin | will you pay my airfare and accomodation too? |
| 03:01.49 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 03:01.51 | Cad | d-i netinst |
| 03:01.54 | Guerin | stephen_: no problem :) |
| 03:01.58 | Phated | $10? |
| 03:02.02 | Cad | cash |
| 03:02.08 | FieldySnuts | @lart Cad |
| 03:02.10 | Phated | Only 10? |
| 03:02.22 | Cad | yep, im cheap like linux |
| 03:02.25 | directhex | Cad, idn't it due to broken hardware? |
| 03:02.28 | FieldySnuts | oh lame |
| 03:02.28 | pau4o | directhex, FieldySnuts I don't think so my other PC is with VIA chipset and same video card and driver but gdm is more fast |
| 03:02.29 | Phated | Hehe. |
| 03:02.31 | Cad | nope |
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| 03:02.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: YEs, but will you pay that? |
| 03:02.44 | Cad | if i grab the first full cd from the d-i 15cd mega pack, it works fine |
| 03:02.45 | stephen_ | last question.. dont suppose anyone knows linux on a floppy for a alpha processor? |
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| 03:03.00 | Cad | sata hardware, dell hwclock issue, broadcom network adapter |
| 03:03.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Nope. I'm expensive. :D |
| 03:03.11 | Cad | you have to jump through hoops to get it installed right |
| 03:03.15 | Phated | Dell AND Broadcom? Ain't no one gonna take $10 for that! |
| 03:03.19 | FieldySnuts | maybe if dell wasn't lame shit. so is broadcom |
| 03:03.26 | directhex | "dell hwclock issue" and "broadcom network adapter" == "broken hardware" |
| 03:03.34 | FieldySnuts | but of course, it's linux' fault. |
| 03:03.39 | directhex | sata is _FINE_ with d-i, unless you have an obscure anti-linux controller |
| 03:03.40 | Phated | Of course. |
| 03:03.44 | Sparr_ | i dont plan to install a lot of junk |
| 03:03.46 | Sparr_ | maybe not even X |
| 03:03.55 | Sparr_ | depends on how comfortable i feel in cli |
| 03:03.55 | Phated | Great for you... |
| 03:03.57 | Cad | hwclock issue fixed with one simple command, and the broadcom installs by default w/o the netinst cd |
| 03:04.00 | Phated | CLI fun. |
| 03:04.04 | Fab-Italy | abrotman: im making a statistic because im not happy about my irc client. sorry |
| 03:04.13 | FieldySnuts | my right leg fell asleep :( |
| 03:04.16 | abrotman | Fab-Italy: so fucking ask me you jackass |
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| 03:04.23 | scarynetworkguy | Installing Debian on Dell http://www.domsch.com/linux/ <--- works every time. |
| 03:04.24 | abrotman | i'll gladly tell you the only two worth using |
| 03:04.30 | abrotman | !dell |
| 03:04.30 | Sparr_ | ive got a question... are there any good non-graphics-mode GUIs for linux? something with maybe an ncurses gui, resizable terminal windows, etc? |
| 03:04.31 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 03:04.31 | Phated | irssi-text! |
| 03:04.34 | abrotman | oh .. i thought it was there |
| 03:04.36 | scarynetworkguy | Irssi owns. |
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| 03:04.40 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Get the left leg to wake it up? :) |
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| 03:04.47 | abrotman | irssi or xchat |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | that's about it |
| 03:04.52 | CLucas916 | anyone know why im getting this error when i run the configure script to install lame: "configure:error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 03:05.10 | peterS | !b-e CLucas916 |
| 03:05.12 | dpkg | CLucas916: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 03:05.33 | Cad | heh, i got a dell server for <$400...im not complainin...i got it all workin :) |
| 03:05.34 | Zetabyte | it always amazes me companies are too dumb to see the profit in releasing nice, linux friendly drivers. if all the geeks love your linux friendly product, they just might throw you a bone and put one in the PC they are building for grandma, the girlfriend, the little sister going away to college, or the 200-machine computing cluster they are about to approve the order request for. |
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| 03:05.50 | Phated | Amazing, ain't it. |
| 03:05.53 | CLucas916 | dpkg. ill try that |
| 03:05.56 | stephen_ | i have 4 dell poweredges running a mix of debian stable and testing |
| 03:05.56 | directhex | Zetabyte, 200 machine? pauper |
| 03:06.02 | Zetabyte | ^ the above rant was directed at Broadcom, specifically, and anyone else deserving, generally. |
| 03:06.20 | Phated | Like idiot people that build winmodems. |
| 03:06.22 | stephen_ | the testing was the only one that would work with the mega raid and scsi controllor |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | directhex: he didn't 200 of which kind .. for all you know it's 200 V220s |
| 03:06.33 | Cad | yeah, agreed. companies that dont make their products accessible to the community, you have to wonder about |
| 03:06.37 | pipeline | stephen_: Why not move to testing all the way |
| 03:06.38 | Sparr_ | whats channel policy on discussing warez? not linking, or asking, just mentioning? |
| 03:06.41 | Zetabyte | no, keep it away! *shudder* |
| 03:06.42 | directhex | Phated, winmodem is a 3com copyright |
| 03:06.47 | abrotman | Sparr_: if you have to ask .. don't |
| 03:06.48 | CLucas916 | dpkg, genius |
| 03:06.49 | dpkg | i guess genius is at http://www.5z.com/jirka/linux.html#genius (An arbitrary precision integer and multiple precision floatingpoint calculator) or something a guy named Cicero wrote about saying "Careful attention to small detail often proves superior to genius." |
| 03:06.49 | Phated | SHIT. |
| 03:06.50 | directhex | abrotman, sunfire 6800! |
| 03:06.50 | CLucas916 | thanks |
| 03:06.53 | abrotman | directhex: or those |
| 03:07.01 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: gimme five! |
| 03:07.02 | Phated | Or something. |
| 03:07.05 | pipeline | Man, I'd love to have a copy of Dell UNIX |
| 03:07.14 | pipeline | and a machine to run it on |
| 03:07.15 | FieldySnuts | why |
| 03:07.19 | stephen_ | stable just for the website hosting.. |
| 03:07.20 | pipeline | I'm a pervert. |
| 03:07.25 | stephen_ | just to make sure nothing happens.. |
| 03:07.31 | directhex | pipeline, try SCO UNixware instead |
| 03:07.32 | abrotman | i know where to get an ATT unix workstation .. |
| 03:07.35 | pipeline | stephen_: Mixing packages is still an awful idea. |
| 03:07.47 | stephen_ | I know.. I made that mistake already! |
| 03:07.49 | pipeline | directhex: The problem is that UnixWare just doesn't suck enough. |
| 03:07.49 | CLucas916 | anyone know why when i try to login using kdm. it just seems to restart and not go to kde |
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| 03:07.59 | directhex | pipeline, you think? |
| 03:08.01 | pipeline | directhex: Also, the novelty in Dell UNIX is that it's actually branded as such, down even to uname responses. |
| 03:08.03 | stephen_ | i mixed stable and testing on the one machine by accident |
| 03:08.16 | directhex | !bobbitt |
| 03:08.16 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 03:08.24 | pipeline | directhex: UnixWare is actually not all that bad. It's similar to Solaris x86, except that you have to spend roughly 1/3rd of your business day typing in license keys. |
| 03:08.47 | directhex | pipeline, being like solaris is NOT a good point |
| 03:08.53 | pipeline | directhex: SCO OpenServer is the horrible SCO that you hear terrible, terrible things about. |
| 03:09.02 | pipeline | directhex: There are no words for how awful SCO OSR is. |
| 03:09.06 | pipeline | I simply cannot describe it. |
| 03:09.12 | Zetabyte | ok, so I think i've asked people something similar to this before, but i forget what the concensus was, and that was when 2.6 was much less mature... so here it goes. If there are open-source, but "provided as-is", drivers for a particular promise SATA non-raid card, for 2.4.x kernel, what are the chances it will compile cleanly for 2.6.9+? |
| 03:09.23 | pipeline | Zetabyte: zero |
| 03:09.30 | peterS | well, close to zero |
| 03:09.34 | Zetabyte | oh. *cry* |
| 03:09.36 | stephen_ | whats the difference between testing and backports? |
| 03:09.38 | Cad | nadda |
| 03:09.39 | peterS | 2.4.recent uses similar IDE code to 2.6 |
| 03:09.43 | pipeline | Zetabyte: asymptotically approaching zero |
| 03:09.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:09.52 | MobyTurbo | SCO was evil even before their anti-Linux crusade. I knew when they changed their name from Caldera to SCO that something evil was happening. |
| 03:09.53 | pipeline | stephen_: testing and stable don't mix. Backports is explicitly meant to mix with stable. |
| 03:09.55 | CLucas916 | anyone know why when i try to login using kdm. it just seems to restart and not go to kde |
| 03:09.56 | Zetabyte | pipeline: i see =/ |
| 03:10.16 | abrotman | CLucas916: #debian-kde |
| 03:10.19 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: Hey, hey. Caldera wasn't evil. Caldera Linux was actually one of the better ones. Compared to RH4, Caldera looked freaking great. |
| 03:10.20 | directhex | my experience with promise SATA was that 2.6 had clean-room open source drivers, 2.4 was starting to get backports of them into the mainline kernel |
| 03:10.25 | MobyTurbo | skyisblue: testing and sid are a lot closer to each other than stable and testing/sid |
| 03:10.27 | Guerin | CLucas916: #debian-kde |
| 03:10.39 | CLucas916 | k |
| 03:10.41 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: And pre-Caldera SCO, while still a total nazi about software licensing, was a good corporate citizen. |
| 03:10.51 | nvz | stephen_: if you are using stable, backports are newer packages built to run within stable. testing is a whole newer branch that could with dependencies require upgrading your whole system to avoid breakage. |
| 03:11.14 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: SCO had the reputation of excellent marketing and poor product compared to other (now defunct) commercial Unices for the PC. |
| 03:11.21 | Zetabyte | I had a nice S150 SX4 SATA raid card from promise and they had NO open-source code for it. Try as I might, it refused to work and the only OSes they support were SuSE and RedHat (and windoze) =( |
| 03:11.22 | stephen_ | I installed the system to testing and used the apt-get for stable by mistake.. |
| 03:11.25 | stephen_ | what a laugh |
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| 03:11.28 | Zetabyte | i sold the card =/ |
| 03:11.36 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: they were the Microsoft of commercial PC Unix. |
| 03:11.46 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: Uh, yes they were. |
| 03:12.06 | nvz | stephen_: well go into /etc/apt/sources.list as root, and change stable to say sarge, in the sources lines. |
| 03:12.08 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: They were literally the microsoft of commercial PC unix. In that they purchased Microsoft's UNIX product. That's how the company started. |
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| 03:12.27 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: well, they purchased Xenix. |
| 03:12.42 | directhex | Zetabyte, i spent a VERY long time trying to get their semi-binary driver for pdc20376 working on 2.4, gave up shortly before it was added to the open source drivers in 2.6.0-testXX |
| 03:12.47 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: XENIX was wildly popular. SCO UNIX was the gold standard for x86 UNIX until the mid nineties, by which point the market had become much more crowded and the hardware was much less limited. |
| 03:12.55 | Guerin | !tell stephen_ about woody->sarge |
| 03:13.05 | Guerin | stephen_: aren't you running a production webserver? |
| 03:13.06 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: XENIX was a true-blue UNIX. The crazy name is due to the licensing conditions of 1979. |
| 03:13.25 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: they didn't deserve to be the gold standard, though I could see the benefit on limited hardware of running XENIX. |
| 03:13.32 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: The crazy limitations to XENIX, and the weird, weird, weird, _horrible_ things about OSR are mostly due to backwards compatibility. |
| 03:13.35 | skyisblue | theseday who care SC*? |
| 03:13.47 | stephen_ | Nah.. I have 4 power edges.. |
| 03:13.48 | firefly2442 | when I try "ping google.com" it says unkown host google.com, is there another way to test internet access? |
| 03:13.49 | Guerin | South Carolina? |
| 03:13.58 | stephen_ | I run a networking society in a college. |
| 03:14.00 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: I don't think you realize how bad x86 users had it before 1994-1995. |
| 03:14.04 | Zetabyte | ping 128.210.11.57 |
| 03:14.06 | abrotman | firefly2442: ping an IP you know |
| 03:14.10 | abrotman | !nslookup google.com |
| 03:14.11 | dpkg | google.com is 216.239.57.99, abrotman |
| 03:14.12 | Guerin | stephen_: I ph333r for your college |
| 03:14.14 | Cad | ping your gateway |
| 03:14.18 | firefly2442 | sweet thanks |
| 03:14.18 | stephen_ | nah.. |
| 03:14.18 | skyisblue | SANtA C.. |
| 03:14.24 | stephen_ | Im not as dumb as i seem.. |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | skyisblue: just fucking spell it out |
| 03:14.28 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: I do realize it, I used Microport Unix as a shell account and Linux kernel 0.95 on my own machine. |
| 03:14.36 | stephen_ | just lack of sleep and exams.. makes me ask stupid questions |
| 03:14.44 | stephen_ | and do stupid things.. |
| 03:14.50 | stephen_ | but ive learned the hard way! |
| 03:14.55 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: Hah, then you've suffered just about the worst of it. For all its quirks, at least OSR ran reliably. |
| 03:15.03 | firefly2442 | "network unreachable" hmmmm.... |
| 03:15.06 | caphuso | stupid exams |
| 03:15.13 | abrotman | just wasted time |
| 03:15.17 | stephen_ | LOL |
| 03:15.24 | Phated | Exams are fun! |
| 03:15.39 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: yeah, Microport wasn't that great - but it wasn't my choice, it had to do with the sysop's hardware requirements. |
| 03:15.40 | Guerin | Phated: that's not what you were saying a couple month ago |
| 03:15.41 | stephen_ | believe it or not.. computer science course only teaches about 10% Unix / linux stuff |
| 03:15.50 | CAiRO | what does this error mean: "The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports: Warning: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols"? |
| 03:15.51 | firefly2442 | or none at all... |
| 03:15.51 | pipeline | MobyTurbo: That said, I'd rather use Lites or Linux 0.9x than deal with OSR. Better unstable than unusable. |
| 03:15.55 | Phated | Guerin: Well a couple of months ago I was studying. |
| 03:15.59 | stephen_ | their main unix server is a dell dimension desktop with X installed.. |
| 03:16.00 | Phated | My mind was unclear. |
| 03:16.03 | pipeline | stephen_: Believe it or not, computer science isn't a vocational program. |
| 03:16.06 | peterS | CAiRO: why are you messing with xkbcomp? |
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| 03:16.34 | stephen_ | yo pipeline what do you mean? |
| 03:16.53 | pipeline | stephen_: They're not supposed to be teaching you "Unix / linux stuff" |
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| 03:17.03 | pipeline | stephen_: They're supposed to be teaching you the theory and practice of computer science |
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| 03:17.15 | MobyTurbo | pipeline: agreed. |
| 03:17.15 | stephen_ | Yeah.. on difference platforms.. |
| 03:17.24 | pipeline | stephen_: Making your BSD print spooler work isn't computer science. |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | stephen_: no |
| 03:17.30 | stephen_ | most of the other colleges in ireland make it at least 40-50 % |
| 03:17.33 | abrotman | stephen_: you misunderstand computer science |
| 03:17.34 | peterS | pipeline: ha, yeah. since when did 'computer science' become 'practical computer use, programming and administration'? |
| 03:17.48 | firefly2442 | that would be information systems |
| 03:17.51 | peterS | yep |
| 03:18.02 | pipeline | peterS: Since I went to a state school that proudly trumpets its role as a "Microsoft Campus." When the student quality is *this* low, vocational programs are really all that's possible. |
| 03:18.12 | CAiRO | peterS: i am not, i haven't touch the xkb stuff in years |
| 03:18.19 | pipeline | peterS: I think you would be flabbergasted by the students that make it into American universities. |
| 03:18.20 | skyisblue | ha |
| 03:18.21 | peterS | CAiRO: then where did you get that error message? |
| 03:18.23 | abrotman | stephen_: if your uni is worth a damn .. you spend a lot of time on algorithms |
| 03:18.31 | stephen_ | Our techies in college are two blonde hot chicks.. that dont have a clue.. |
| 03:18.44 | stephen_ | *shudders* ugh.. binary trees |
| 03:18.46 | peterS | pipeline: I actually know what kinds of students make it into american universities |
| 03:18.55 | CAiRO | peterS: oh, it's shown on the xfree startup |
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| 03:19.01 | abrotman | stephen_: they're fun .... |
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| 03:19.12 | stephen_ | wtf? have you coded one from scratch? |
| 03:19.12 | pipeline | peterS: You poor son of a bitch. Do you teach? |
| 03:19.19 | directhex | i had a module in first year on unix basics, on my course |
| 03:19.20 | abrotman | stephen_: now .. forward balanced binary trees .. that's a whole nother beast! |
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| 03:19.25 | peterS | pipeline: I have in the past. not in computer science. |
| 03:19.33 | abrotman | stephen_: i have .. |
| 03:19.46 | pipeline | someone should change the topic to <pipeline> When the student quality is *this* low, vocational programs are really all that's possible.<stephen_> *shudders* ugh.. binary trees |
| 03:19.52 | directhex | covered grep, sed, awk, bash. |
| 03:19.52 | stephen_ | ugh.. anyone any idea what formal methods are? |
| 03:19.57 | CAiRO | peterS: though, i've found the solution with google, a line in xkb/symbols/level3 had to be changed to get rid of the warning |
| 03:20.00 | directhex | stephen_, horrid |
| 03:20.04 | caphuso | how the hell am i supposed to explain what a block does in java when i don't know the german word for "scope"? |
| 03:20.04 | directhex | stephen_, utterly horrid |
| 03:20.05 | pipeline | stephen_: For the love of god, drop out now. For the sake of the republic. |
| 03:20.08 | abrotman | stephen_: formal methods of what? |
| 03:20.09 | caphuso | (don't answer) |
| 03:20.23 | stephen_ | duno.. im doing it next term.. |
| 03:20.38 | abrotman | stephen_: but that's the title of your class . what's the description? |
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| 03:20.46 | Varg66 | Currently enrolled in a Canadian university - almost completely algorithms and their analysis |
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| 03:21.01 | stephen_ | nah thats another section of the couse.. |
| 03:21.03 | stephen_ | course.. |
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| 03:21.04 | abrotman | stephen_: i had a database design class .. instead of learning how to make a good database .. we wrote one |
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| 03:21.15 | stephen_ | er diagrams.. yeah i know those! |
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| 03:21.27 | stephen_ | but our course is split into 3 sections.. |
| 03:21.28 | abrotman | i give up |
| 03:21.34 | directhex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_methods |
| 03:21.54 | directhex | basically, it's gonna be a course on Z. i should think, anyway |
| 03:22.02 | stephen_ | 1. computer programming and internet systems |
| 03:22.11 | abrotman | directhex: sounds like a course on QA |
| 03:22.13 | bbhill | Anyone know a good word processor for x that I could apt-get aside from open office? |
| 03:22.13 | stephen_ | 2. system administration and computer architecture |
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| 03:22.21 | gravity | bbhill: abiword is ok |
| 03:22.24 | stephen_ | 3. knowleadge base systems (data mining and stuff) |
| 03:22.29 | firefly2442 | kword |
| 03:22.31 | directhex | bbhill, abiword? |
| 03:22.39 | bbhill | abiword, ok.. For k word , do i need kde libraries? |
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| 03:22.57 | stew | hard to believe that computer architecture was not enough material for an entire course and they had to lump it in with something else |
| 03:22.59 | firefly2442 | probably, I'm not sure |
| 03:23.05 | stephen_ | data structures and algorythems are hard! |
| 03:23.10 | firefly2442 | check the debian package |
| 03:23.10 | Guerin | abiword is hopeless |
| 03:23.16 | stephen_ | second that! |
| 03:23.17 | abrotman | !be a spelling barbie |
| 03:23.17 | dpkg | awwww, spelling is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
| 03:23.18 | stephen_ | abiword is shit! |
| 03:23.22 | directhex | data structures & algorithms is a vital course. pay attention |
| 03:23.27 | bbhill | Guerin can i have your recommendation? I trust you, you seem 1337! |
| 03:23.29 | abrotman | stephen_: have you ever checked the MIT open courseware? |
| 03:23.36 | Guerin | i tried to use it because oo.o has a style bug, but just couldn't |
| 03:23.36 | skyisblue | avoid ms course. |
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| 03:23.42 | Guerin | so I did my resume in html instead |
| 03:23.45 | abrotman | stephen_: if you fail data structures .. give up hope of ever making money at programming |
| 03:23.48 | Guerin | bbhill: openoffice.org |
| 03:23.59 | stephen_ | Thats good because i dont want to do programming!!! |
| 03:24.03 | Guerin | bbhill: if you MUST have a word mangler |
| 03:24.12 | abrotman | !Guerin is 1337 |
| 03:24.12 | dpkg | ...but guerin is already something else... |
| 03:24.15 | abrotman | damn |
| 03:24.15 | stephen_ | Networking is my fav |
| 03:24.21 | firefly2442 | nano is excellent IMO |
| 03:24.25 | Guerin | bbhill: if you want to actually write anything serious, use emacs |
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| 03:24.32 | directhex | my degree: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ucas/G400.php |
| 03:24.36 | Varg66 | stephen_: sounds like you're int he wrong program man |
| 03:24.36 | bbhill | i've just got Nano right now |
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| 03:24.54 | stephen_ | Varg66: it covers network stuff |
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| 03:25.06 | directhex | our formal methods module was http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ucas/syllabus.php?unit=COMP1001 - basically, lots of Z |
| 03:25.19 | stephen_ | hey directhex that is practically my course |
| 03:25.21 | slackd00d | for some reason debian wont reconize my mouse.....but it did when i installed it like a month ago....anyone else know of this problem? |
| 03:25.24 | skyisblue | vim |
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| 03:25.40 | Sparr_ | so, im guessing d-i is NOT the installer im familiar with from a year ago? |
| 03:25.43 | stew | !2.6 mouse |
| 03:25.43 | dpkg | i guess 2.6 mouse is http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 03:25.45 | MobyTurbo | directhex: lots of Z, you mean lots of sigma? |
| 03:25.46 | stephen_ | my degree http://www.comp.dit.ie/ft228/ (im in third year) |
| 03:25.54 | aokaze | I have an important question. I installed ntp and I need to know how to set up local time cause the local time settings is getting my computer off |
| 03:25.54 | Phated | Shouldn't "be a spelling barbie" say "Awww, seplling is so HRAD." ? :) |
| 03:26.09 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 03:26.11 | peterS | Phated: good point |
| 03:26.12 | Guerin | Phated: no, that would be typing parbie |
| 03:26.12 | scarynetworkguy | Yes it should. |
| 03:26.14 | stew | Phated: heh, so change it! |
| 03:26.15 | Sparr_ | Phated: i know a guy with a college degree who types like that |
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| 03:26.24 | pipeline | Sparr_: Kill him before he breeds. |
| 03:26.26 | Phated | And to think I thought no one would respond. |
| 03:26.26 | abrotman | directhex: i gotta say .. i went to two Uni's .. and i don't remember a single similar course |
| 03:26.30 | Sparr_ | <censored> IT SI DRY tyhats thew eproblem the accoek ahas stickied and cake dalal ov ertht eback fo thecracd |
| 03:26.35 | Guerin | (errors for ephmasis) |
| 03:26.36 | Phated | Says something about #debian's priorities. |
| 03:26.43 | directhex | MobyTurbo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_specification_language |
| 03:27.02 | Phated | Guerin: Hm, true enough. |
| 03:27.04 | abrotman | directhex: we had .. Systems Analysis and Design .. but not quite the same |
| 03:27.05 | Sparr_ | are there any tools for debian to configure X as successfully as whatever Knoppix uses? |
| 03:27.15 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:27.26 | directhex | Sparr_, no. nothing even remotely automagic |
| 03:27.28 | slackd00d | stew: thank you but i dont see my problem there |
| 03:27.41 | skyisblue | Sparr_: recommend mepis |
| 03:27.44 | stephen_ | there is Xconfigurator to configure x nicely |
| 03:27.50 | directhex | abrotman, Z is evil. we had horrible modules on formal spec languages, UML, and the like |
| 03:27.59 | abrotman | directhex: what fun .. |
| 03:28.10 | abrotman | directhex: i misunderstoood the wikipedia definition |
| 03:28.13 | stew | slackd00d: which kernel are you running? |
| 03:28.21 | stephen_ | so what do you think of the degree? |
| 03:28.21 | Sparr_ | stephen_: except it isnt even close to automatic |
| 03:28.27 | Sparr_ | skyisblue: ill try that |
| 03:28.27 | stephen_ | true! |
| 03:28.31 | directhex | abrotman, that's what wikipedia's all about |
| 03:28.35 | abrotman | directhex: the parts covered under the "Software engineering" .. we did that .. but not the Z thing |
| 03:28.37 | stew | slackd00d: which os are you running for that matter? |
| 03:28.38 | Phated | stephen_: http://www.sp.edu.sg/courses/EEE_DCNT.htm is what you want for networking. :) |
| 03:28.46 | slackd00d | 2.6.8 i think, debian testing |
| 03:28.48 | directhex | Sparr_, mepis is basically knoppix but different. not debian, offtopic. |
| 03:28.51 | abrotman | i guess we did the Formal Proof stuff too |
| 03:28.56 | stew | slackd00d: you think? why don't you check? |
| 03:29.00 | stephen_ | Im going to try and go the ccnp ? |
| 03:29.09 | abrotman | isn't CCIE better? |
| 03:29.22 | Sparr_ | directhex: oh, not a program for debian? :( |
| 03:29.22 | Phated | It has prerequisites, no? |
| 03:29.31 | Sparr_ | wow, i like the new installers automatic partitioning |
| 03:29.31 | slackd00d | well, im using the kernel that comes with sarge...which i belive is 2.6.8...and my box im having problems with is down in the garage |
| 03:29.34 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Than what? |
| 03:29.38 | abrotman | CCNP |
| 03:29.40 | stephen_ | what IE? |
| 03:29.40 | Phated | CCNA. |
| 03:29.45 | jetscreamer | who wants to help me troubleshoot win98 scandisk getting out of memory error :) |
| 03:29.46 | MobyTurbo | directhex: wikipedia knows all |
| 03:29.51 | Phated | Bah, stupid instinct typing. :| |
| 03:29.54 | stephen_ | whats IE? |
| 03:29.56 | directhex | abrotman, Z scares me. only Z could take three pages of 'code' (which use funnny characters, and cannot be compiled) to make a very very basic thing like a for loop. Z is just plain wrong |
| 03:29.59 | scarynetworkguy | Yes. CCNA is the first one CCNP is second CCIE's are Sith Lords. |
| 03:30.05 | Phated | CCIE. Internetworking Expert. |
| 03:30.08 | stephen_ | ah |
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| 03:30.11 | stew | slackd00d: how long is your mouse cord? ;) |
| 03:30.11 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: you are CCIE right? |
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| 03:30.16 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Nope. |
| 03:30.18 | brian__ | hey |
| 03:30.22 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: i'd give you one :) |
| 03:30.29 | remedy_ | hi has anyone used pam_exim for smtp auth with debian |
| 03:30.33 | slackd00d | stew: heh...its wireless but it dont reach this far |
| 03:30.36 | slackd00d | = P |
| 03:30.36 | abrotman | directhex: i wish i could show you what im' doing now |
| 03:30.37 | stew | slackd00d: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:30.37 | jetscreamer | iirc scarynetworkguy didn't do the cisco cert |
| 03:30.44 | slackd00d | just start xwindows |
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| 03:30.45 | directhex | abrotman, you're suposed to use Z to make mathematically provable functions, but try making ANY functions with the POS... |
| 03:30.45 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: I've been through all the info and could likely pass the test. Just haven't taken the time/money to do it. |
| 03:30.49 | brian__ | can any one help me in getting my wacom working? |
| 03:30.56 | abrotman | scarynetworkguy: boss no pay? |
| 03:31.03 | directhex | abrotman, my coder days are behind me for now, i do sysadminning (yay, new cluster purchase approved) |
| 03:31.06 | stew | slackd00d: make sure mousedev and psmouse are loaded and /msg dpkg set up x |
| 03:31.07 | scarynetworkguy | abrotman: Not yet and I don't want this one to. |
| 03:31.11 | abrotman | directhex: it's worse than lisp+cobol? |
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| 03:31.32 | MobyTurbo | darned dial-up connection |
| 03:31.34 | scarynetworkguy | I'll likely take the tests sometime this year. |
| 03:31.42 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: i blame allegience :) |
| 03:31.56 | brian__ | can anyone guide me in getting my tablet working? |
| 03:32.04 | abrotman | brian__: ask #xfree86 |
| 03:32.04 | slackd00d | stew: are those kernel modules or programs |
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| 03:32.09 | stew | slackd00d: kernel modules |
| 03:32.14 | abrotman | !tell brian__ about repeat |
| 03:32.16 | jetscreamer | brian__, i know there are modules you need to load |
| 03:32.20 | directhex | abrotman, purely because it's useless, yes. it takes far longer to write the formal proofs of a function with Z than to just write the damnable things in perl/c/basic/intercal/assembler/malbolge, and z is useless once on paper other than to say "i have proven that if you subtract 1 from 10 enough times, it reaches 0!!!" |
| 03:32.21 | slackd00d | ok, well ill try it |
| 03:32.49 | remedy_ | hi has anyone used pam_exim for smtp auth with debian |
| 03:33.07 | jetscreamer | brian__, use modconf to look around for them, apt-get install modconf if you need to |
| 03:33.14 | brian__ | ok ill try |
| 03:33.32 | brian__ | umm mind explaining what modules are? are they like kernel patches? |
| 03:33.36 | abrotman | oh god |
| 03:33.43 | brian__ | yes oh god -_- |
| 03:33.55 | stephen_ | anyway guys im off to bed.. Much appreciation for all the help.. ! |
| 03:34.01 | stew | brian__: if you don't know what kernel modules is you have no business messing with pam probably |
| 03:34.02 | abrotman | !modules |
| 03:34.02 | dpkg | from memory, modules is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices |
| 03:34.08 | skyisblue | brian__: !mepis |
| 03:34.10 | LanKuchan | what <hdb5> means here ? -->Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 -- hdb: hdb1 hdb2 < hdb5 > |
| 03:34.14 | jetscreamer | brian__, modules are like drivers, but you can 'plug' them in while you're up & running |
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| 03:34.23 | brian__ | mepis wont work with my tablet man |
| 03:34.31 | brian__ | oh ic |
| 03:34.32 | pipeline | brian__: You're clearly using sarge. Is hotplug installed? That may save you a lot of trouble. |
| 03:34.33 | krenin | what are all these men named Herb doing in my kernel |
| 03:34.40 | directhex | LanKuchan, means it's a logical partition inside extended partiton hdb2 |
| 03:34.41 | Sparr_ | my machine is making freaky noises (system bell) during the install of discover1, normal? |
| 03:34.41 | brian__ | yes it is |
| 03:34.43 | stew | oh i got mixed up |
| 03:34.44 | pipeline | krenin: blending spices, clearly. |
| 03:34.48 | directhex | *alongside |
| 03:34.50 | krenin | pipeline: oh |
| 03:34.56 | stew | i need to get away from this computer |
| 03:34.59 | stew | !beer me |
| 03:35.00 | sean_micken | i need to send a single command to a remote linux box, what's the best way to do that? (can't login through ssh cause i am doing this from a script) |
| 03:35.13 | pipeline | sean_micken: ssh also executes commands remotely, just like rsh |
| 03:35.17 | pipeline | sean_micken: "ssh foo" |
| 03:35.22 | abrotman | stew: aren't you lucky! |
| 03:35.22 | jetscreamer | ssh is the best way though |
| 03:35.25 | directhex | sean_micken, with ssh, and correctly configured keys |
| 03:35.32 | skyisblue | !dropbear |
| 03:35.32 | dpkg | [dropbear] an SSH 2 server and client that is designed to be small enough to be used in low-memory embedded environments, while still being functional and secure enough for general use. |
| 03:35.35 | stew | abrotman: i still don't go for lagers |
| 03:35.37 | pipeline | sean_micken: alternatively, use "expect" to interact with the ssh client inside the script. |
| 03:35.42 | brian__ | no im not using sarge im using ubuntu but the ubuntu channel wont gimme help lol |
| 03:35.43 | abrotman | skyisblue: stop telling us about that |
| 03:35.51 | pipeline | brian__: Tough shit. Install sarge. |
| 03:35.51 | LanKuchan | directhex: so what the enty in fstab going to be like? |
| 03:35.53 | abrotman | stew: just yuengling is good enough |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | stew: you make it back to philly lately? |
| 03:36.01 | Phated | brian__: What pipeline said. #ubuntu. |
| 03:36.07 | sean_micken | directhex: use the keys so i don't have to login, right? |
| 03:36.13 | pipeline | brian__: Sarge will result in fewer headaches anyway. |
| 03:36.15 | directhex | sean_micken, yes. |
| 03:36.17 | sean_micken | directhex: how do i generate a key on Linux? |
| 03:36.18 | stew | abrotman: not since november |
| 03:36.18 | jetscreamer | brian__, nobody here really wants to help with some other distro we don't run |
| 03:36.21 | brian__ | they havent said ne thing lol just help other people no one responded to my w |
| 03:36.23 | brian__ | q* |
| 03:36.24 | abrotman | stew: for the run? |
| 03:36.29 | directhex | right, it's gone half 3 in the morning, bedtime. |
| 03:36.33 | stew | abrotman: going to bucks county next week to drop off my dog though |
| 03:36.36 | stew | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:36.39 | pipeline | brian__: So little software is available for Ubuntu, you eventually end up mixing debian packages with ubuntu packages. And then stuff breaks. And then NOONE can help you. |
| 03:36.43 | brian__ | hmm well ne ways ill ask xf86 chan |
| 03:36.47 | stew | abrotman: then i'm off to thailand for a wedding!! |
| 03:36.47 | abrotman | stew: you're just gonna leave your dog there? |
| 03:36.51 | Phated | brian__: IT's quite possible that even their touchy-feely sensibilites were offended by your typing style. |
| 03:36.56 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:37.06 | jetscreamer | brian__, you still need to load the modules for the tablet, no matter which distro |
| 03:37.08 | stew | abrotman: dog gets to go to "camp" in the country with my parents |
| 03:37.13 | Sparr_ | installing from the netinst cd, should i use the cd as an apt-source or is everything on it already installed? |
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| 03:37.24 | brian__ | k |
| 03:37.28 | abrotman | stew: your parents live in bucks county? |
| 03:37.29 | directhex | Sparr_, everything from it's already installed |
| 03:37.37 | pipeline | Sparr_: The netinst cd doesn't have much of anything on it. |
| 03:37.40 | Sparr_ | thanks |
| 03:37.45 | stew | abrotman: yeah, just outside of New Hope, which is where I grew up |
| 03:37.45 | jetscreamer | Sparr_, netinst means net |
| 03:37.47 | Sparr_ | pipeline: a hundred megs of nothing :) |
| 03:37.59 | brian__ | phated its called short hand i dont have time to make elaborately done sentences |
| 03:38.02 | abrotman | stew: it's nice up there .. i went to .. the village thingie a while ago |
| 03:38.04 | pipeline | Sparr_: a hundred megs is nothing compared to the 15 CD's of packages. |
| 03:38.09 | jetscreamer | Sparr_, it has base on it... the smaller one doesn't even have that |
| 03:38.13 | Phated | brian__: It's called being lazy. |
| 03:38.19 | pipeline | brian__: Yeah, but I have time to tell you and your shorthand to go fuck yourselves. |
| 03:38.19 | brian__ | zactly |
| 03:38.27 | abrotman | stew: peddler's village i think it's called |
| 03:38.36 | stew | abrotman: yeah thats about 1.5 miles from my parents house |
| 03:38.44 | abrotman | stew: ah .. yeah .. nice area |
| 03:38.45 | stew | abrotman: look at the gingerbread houess? |
| 03:38.45 | brian__ | zactly in response to phate |
| 03:38.59 | brian__ | -_- |
| 03:39.04 | Phated | *shrugs* What pipeline said. Go fuck yourselves. |
| 03:39.13 | stew | abrotman: peddlers village has a nice gingerbread house competition every year |
| 03:39.16 | abrotman | stew: i don't think they were there |
| 03:39.21 | abrotman | stew: this was in the spring |
| 03:39.23 | jetscreamer | hmmm... well it's long enough, but i don't want to... |
| 03:39.23 | stew | might have been too late i gues |
| 03:39.26 | stew | oh |
| 03:39.31 | brian__ | umm ok ill leave this channel now...lol fucking nerds.. |
| 03:39.33 | Phated | jetscreamer: Nono not you. |
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| 03:39.44 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 03:39.58 | krenin | bewt! |
| 03:40.02 | skyisblue | hmmm |
| 03:40.02 | stew | OMG he didn't just call us nerds! |
| 03:40.09 | jetscreamer | fuck gay win98 |
| 03:40.13 | scarynetworkguy | Are my feeling supposed to be hurt? |
| 03:40.16 | Phated | I have nothing against being called a nerd. |
| 03:40.17 | pipeline | OH SHIT I'm a nerd! I didn't know this before! crap crap crap |
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| 03:40.24 | skyisblue | no |
| 03:40.31 | Phated | If the people I've seen called "cool" are all the same, I'd rather not be cool. |
| 03:40.33 | jetscreamer | p233mmx and some obscene gateway box |
| 03:40.37 | Piru | omg. and I have glasses too!!1 |
| 03:40.37 | abrotman | pipeline: your mom did .. she cried too :) |
| 03:40.44 | scarynetworkguy | Very true. |
| 03:40.52 | Sparr_ | any way i can pick the best mirror during net install? |
| 03:40.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: GEEK!! :D |
| 03:40.55 | jetscreamer | never seen oom on windows |
| 03:40.59 | pipeline | Oh, that reminds me. It's time to install Debian on this dell. |
| 03:40.59 | abrotman | Sparr_: apt-spy |
| 03:41.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah yeah. |
| 03:41.09 | abrotman | ars was sooo wrong .. we're nice people :) |
| 03:41.10 | skyisblue | !ars technica |
| 03:41.10 | dpkg | methinks ars technica is http://www.arstechnica.com, or they think #debian is the second worst thing ever after ATI. http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050102.ars/2 |
| 03:41.15 | Phated | Sparr_: During the netinst? Use the kernel.org one. |
| 03:41.30 | Sparr_ | abrotman: which i dont have yet :-p |
| 03:41.34 | Phated | skyisblue: Do you have any particular reason for not doing /msg dpkg instead of mucking up the channel? |
| 03:41.34 | Sparr_ | Phated: ok |
| 03:41.37 | abrotman | Sparr_: then just pick one .. jeez |
| 03:41.42 | jetscreamer | Sparr_, yeah if you know what the best one is, otherwise you have to install apt-spy after you get debian installed :) i find ftp.<country>.debian.org to be fast |
| 03:41.54 | skyisblue | ... |
| 03:41.55 | Phated | Unless the FC3 fuckers are still using kernel.org. |
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| 03:42.00 | jetscreamer | also mirrors.kernel.org |
| 03:42.04 | Leimy | abrotman: ROFFLE |
| 03:42.08 | Sparr_ | guess i can live with 100kB/s |
| 03:42.08 | scarynetworkguy | That's pretty much done. |
| 03:42.11 | Phated | skyisblue: No, it's just a question. Did anyone actually need to see that, besides you. |
| 03:42.16 | abrotman | Leimy: i make your babies |
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| 03:42.28 | skyisblue | ... |
| 03:42.32 | Phated | abrotman: You make his babies what? |
| 03:42.33 | glick | excues me whats the name of that site that has the latest debs |
| 03:42.35 | Leimy | dude... I just had REALLY SPICY curry chicken |
| 03:42.56 | Phated | It wasn't Malay/Thai, it wasn't spicy. 'nuff said. |
| 03:42.56 | Cad | apt-get dist-upgrade...weeeee |
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| 03:43.21 | Leimy | krenin: I haven't violated the geneva conention with my ass yet |
| 03:43.25 | abrotman | Leimy: take a big dump yet?> |
| 03:43.27 | krenin | lol |
| 03:43.29 | jmspeex | Anyone here can give me some advice on free software licensing (possibly off channel -- I'm not trying to create a mess)? |
| 03:43.36 | glick | whats that site with latest debs? |
| 03:43.41 | glick | liek win32codecs |
| 03:43.46 | Leimy | as you can see abrotman and I used to hang out a lot |
| 03:43.46 | glick | or w32codecs |
| 03:43.47 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 03:43.47 | dpkg | [mplayer] not in Debian. You may want to use vlc or xine instead. St. Marillat has made unofficial debs available; /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 03:44.02 | glick | marillat |
| 03:44.03 | abrotman | should i call a guy back from sacremento? |
| 03:44.04 | jetscreamer | glick marillat has w32codecs |
| 03:44.05 | glick | whats that site? |
| 03:44.11 | Phated | abrotman: Depends. |
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| 03:44.15 | jetscreamer | !tell glick about marillat |
| 03:44.15 | Leimy | abrotman: for a job? |
| 03:44.18 | abrotman | sure |
| 03:44.20 | Leimy | abrotman: yes |
| 03:44.25 | Guerin | jmspeex: use the gpl |
| 03:44.28 | Leimy | it's like 45 minute flight from here |
| 03:44.38 | abrotman | i could drive faster |
| 03:44.52 | jmspeex | Guerin: Very funny, but it's a bit more complicated |
| 03:45.00 | abrotman | krenin: you should try the IRIX cpu-eater |
| 03:45.06 | krenin | ? |
| 03:45.10 | abrotman | exactly .. |
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| 03:45.24 | abrotman | wait .. that's not the name |
| 03:45.26 | jetscreamer | !tell me about the IRIX cpu-eater |
| 03:45.29 | Guerin | jmspeex: how? |
| 03:45.37 | jmspeex | As in: "is this license GPL-compatible and conformant with the debian free software guidelines" |
| 03:45.49 | Guerin | jmspeex: which license is it? |
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| 03:46.02 | Sparr_ | gonna take an hour for the initial apt-get |
| 03:46.07 | jmspeex | Guerin: One I'm trying to come up with. |
| 03:46.08 | krenin | dpkg just asked me if i was smoking crack! |
| 03:46.08 | dpkg | krenin: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 03:46.12 | peterS | abrotman: the point of irix hardware is that the snazzy screensaver is mainly a GPU eater, not a CPU eater (: |
| 03:46.14 | abrotman | On IRIX .. they have this desktop wallpaper with a spinning SGI symbol |
| 03:46.23 | jmspeex | Guerin: what's the weakest possible copyleft license? |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | peterS: but that was the name |
| 03:46.29 | abrotman | that was such a great machine |
| 03:46.33 | peterS | abrotman: ahhhhh. I had no idea. |
| 03:46.33 | Guerin | jmspeex: don't try to write your own license. Use an existing free software license. |
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| 03:46.49 | peterS | jmspeex: probably something akin to the RPSL |
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| 03:46.59 | jmspeex | what's that? |
| 03:46.59 | abrotman | peterS: it was like cpu-eater or cpu-burner |
| 03:47.00 | peterS | jmspeex: but without some of the annoyances of that one |
| 03:47.12 | stew | jmspeex: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 03:47.18 | peterS | jmspeex: RealNetworks Public Source License. it's in most respects a weaker copyleft than the GPL |
| 03:47.41 | peterS | jmspeex: but I don't recommend it, since it's in other ways not suitable for free software |
| 03:47.49 | jmspeex | peterS: I'm looking for something similar to the MPL, but without the GPL-incompatibility |
| 03:47.51 | jetscreamer | fuckgdgaycrapbitshitwin (hey i'm 'trying' to fix it for money) |
| 03:48.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: kick it |
| 03:48.11 | peterS | jmspeex: the LGPL is weaker than the GPL. I don't know if it has any MPL-like properties |
| 03:48.13 | Guerin | jmspeex: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/licenses.html#LicenseList |
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| 03:48.49 | jetscreamer | can you believe this hd can only be recognized by this one box? 'doesn't work' in 2 other diff. boxes :/ |
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| 03:48.53 | asuffield | jmspeex: what the heck do you think the MPL does that's desireable, and that isn't simply the GPL proper? |
| 03:48.54 | jmspeex | peterS: I looking for weaker than LGPL |
| 03:48.54 | glick | i cant update to his site it says only two connections per ip address are allowed |
| 03:48.58 | glick | but i dont get it |
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| 03:49.06 | glick | im only connectint to upgrade apt |
| 03:49.18 | jetscreamer | glick, works for me |
| 03:49.29 | jmspeex | asuffield: Allowing static linking to a library without having to release object code like the LGPL requires |
| 03:49.39 | glick | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz USER failed, server said: Sorry, only two connections per IP address are allowed |
| 03:50.07 | Guerin | jmspeex: the fsf can provide a lot of information about which licenses do and mean. They will try to discourage you from writing a new license, because license proliferation is a Bad Thing. |
| 03:50.22 | MrKeuner | hi, do I have to create dists/unstable/... etc tree in order to create a simple repository on a cd to be installed on a specific computer which ý know will be a SID? |
| 03:51.08 | asuffield | jmspeex: the MPL does not do that |
| 03:51.09 | MrKeuner | I simply put all debs and the Packages file on the root of the CD and it seems like not working |
| 03:51.18 | asuffield | it would have to be a non-copyleft license to do that |
| 03:51.30 | abrotman | town! |
| 03:51.35 | abrotman | i heard they eat dogs there! |
| 03:51.38 | hairy_potter | whats with a town |
| 03:51.42 | jmspeex | asuffield: The MPL is GPL-incompatible |
| 03:51.53 | asuffield | jmspeex: yes, so? |
| 03:52.00 | asuffield | most random NIH licenses are GPL-incompatible |
| 03:52.04 | jetscreamer | hey anybody know if oom errors are more likely to be the memory or the memory controller on the mb? |
| 03:52.08 | Guerin | abrotman: that they do, my son. |
| 03:52.24 | jmspeex | asuffield: Otherwise it would be fine, as it allows static linking without restrictions. |
| 03:52.35 | asuffield | jmspeex: nonsense |
| 03:53.09 | asuffield | the MPL has no provisions for specially excluding 'static linking' at all. it's a copyleft just like the GPL |
| 03:53.16 | MrKeuner | sometimes I feel like blowing in the wind after asking a question in this channel |
| 03:53.27 | peterS | MrKeuner: that's the answer, my friend |
| 03:54.38 | jmspeex | asuffield: I want to *allow* static linking, not exclude it. The LGPL restricts static linking too much |
| 03:54.54 | abrotman | debian-legal mailing list? |
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| 03:55.50 | asuffield | <sigh> this is a waste of time |
| 03:56.34 | abrotman | asuffield: maybe you'd rather tell me why cows go moo? |
| 03:56.38 | peterS | jmspeex: you can grant extra permissions and exemptions to an existing license, if you wish |
| 03:56.43 | asuffield | jmspeex: you have no idea what you want. you're just making contradictory demands based on cargo-cult notions |
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| 03:57.01 | peterS | jmspeex: adding *restrictions* is problematic as it makes it likely that you'll wander into a GPL-incompatible situation ... but *relaxing* restrictions is not a problem |
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| 03:57.20 | jmspeex | asuffield: gimme credit |
| 03:57.44 | asuffield | jmspeex: why? you've demonstrated massive lack of understanding combined with ludicrous ideas |
| 03:57.55 | asuffield | if you want a copyleft license, use the GPL. if you do not, use the MIT license. |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | debian-legal mailing list? |
| 03:58.04 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:58.21 | peterS | jmspeex: is this right? you want to use something like the LGPL, but if someone ships a staticly linked binary, you want them to ship the source for your library but you don't need them to make it possible to rebuild their binary from modified library source? |
| 03:58.27 | jmspeex | asuffield: what??? GPL is not the only copyleft license you know. Perhaps the strongest copyleft, but that's it. |
| 03:58.50 | Phated | What's wrong with using the strongest? |
| 03:59.05 | abrotman | it makes people cry? |
| 03:59.08 | asuffield | I'm fully aware of all the other lousy licenses out there. the GPL has gained wide acceptance because it's one of the very small number that doesn't suck |
| 03:59.19 | jmspeex | Phated: Nothing wrong in itself. I just want something that's much less restrictive. |
| 03:59.19 | asuffield | it's the only copyleft one worth using |
| 03:59.34 | asuffield | jmspeex: then you want the MIT license |
| 03:59.52 | peterS | Phated: you're not feeling licentious? |
| 03:59.57 | jmspeex | asuffield: No, I want something somewhere in the middle. |
| 03:59.59 | Phated | peterS: Ohno. :) |
| 04:00.19 | jacobkm_ | Hey all -- I'm trying to get my install of Sarge (2.6 kernel) to burn DVDs. I've installed dvd+rw-tools (i.e. growisofs) which instructs me to use the ide-scsi driver to make my ATA burner "look like" a scsi one. Unfortunatly, it seems the 2.6 kernels don't support ide-scsi. Is there an equivalent scsi emulation layer in 2.6, or is there another package that works better than dvd+rw-tools for DVD burning? |
| 04:00.29 | asuffield | jmspeex: you can't have a white wall that's black. there is no 'in the middle'; it's either copyleft or it is not |
| 04:00.33 | jmspeex | asuffield: I know what the BSD, MIT, GPL, LGPL, MPL are. None of them fit my needs as is. |
| 04:00.47 | peterS | jmspeex: are you planning to answer my question at some point? |
| 04:01.14 | jetscreamer | jacobkm_, you "just don't use scsi" to burn on ide with 2.6 |
| 04:01.22 | jetscreamer | you use ide |
| 04:01.25 | asuffield | jmspeex: you don't. really. you have no idea what you want or what these things do |
| 04:01.25 | jmspeex | peterS: sorry, yes, I want something more relaxed than LGPL that allows static linking without the restrictions the LGPL has. |
| 04:01.41 | asuffield | ie, the MIT license. but he also wants a copyleft, while not being a copyleft. this is a waste of time |
| 04:01.43 | jacobkm_ | That's what I gathered, so then how do I make dvd+rw-tools see my drive? |
| 04:01.45 | e | jacobkm_, I run 2.6.8 and burn cds no problem |
| 04:01.47 | peterS | jmspeex: but even with static linking, I assume you still require that people ship the source code to your library? |
| 04:02.04 | e | jacobkm_, you need to add something to lilo or what ever boot manager you use |
| 04:02.06 | jmspeex | peterS: Only if they modify it, I don't care otherwise. |
| 04:02.09 | jacobkm_ | e: I can get cds to work (cdrecord), but not dvds. |
| 04:02.13 | abrotman | opensource.org has a whole list don't they? |
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| 04:02.19 | MrEntropy | yo |
| 04:02.23 | asuffield | abrotman: most of those aren't free |
| 04:02.26 | jacobkm_ | e: I use grub -- what kind of thing would I need to add? |
| 04:02.27 | jmspeex | asuffield: GPL is strong copyleft, LGPL is weaker, MPL is even weaker, but not GPL compatible. |
| 04:02.30 | e | jacobkm_, thats an odd problem there... |
| 04:02.34 | jetscreamer | jacobkm_, all i can do is point you at things like the setup scripts for k3b and/or xine... |
| 04:02.43 | asuffield | jmspeex: read this slowly: you are wrong. you do not understand. |
| 04:02.57 | peterS | jmspeex: you know why the LGPL has that 'object code' thing in there, right? because ability to modify source code is useless if you can't recompile it and use it in the app |
| 04:03.02 | peterS | jmspeex: this is something that doesn't bother you? |
| 04:03.06 | jacobkm_ | e: it's a headless server, so I'm pretty sure k3b isn't a good idea, but I'll take a look at the setup and see if there's anything useful in it; thanks. |
| 04:03.24 | abrotman | debian-legal mailing list? |
| 04:03.25 | jmspeex | OK, for the same of simplicity, here is the background. I'm author of Speex, which is already BSD, but I just want to add restrictions that modifications made to the library itself have to be released. |
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| 04:03.44 | asuffield | jmspeex: and you also want to not add such restrictions. you can't have both these things at once. |
| 04:03.48 | abrotman | i don't know any license like that |
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| 04:03.58 | asuffield | abrotman: 'cause it's impossible |
| 04:04.06 | jacobkm_ | e: are you burning dvds, or just cds? |
| 04:04.10 | abrotman | asuffield: yes .. i agree |
| 04:04.12 | e | jacobkm_, both |
| 04:04.21 | jacobkm_ | e: what do you use? |
| 04:04.24 | abrotman | jmspeex: that license . that requires changes to be released doens't exist |
| 04:04.28 | jmspeex | asuffield: have you ever read the MPL? ...or even the LGPL completely? |
| 04:04.28 | e | k3b |
| 04:04.28 | peterS | jmspeex: I think what you want is to use the LGPL, but add exemptions for the bits that bother you - specifically the bits about shipping relinkable object files, and shipping source in the case where it hasn't been modified |
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| 04:04.37 | jacobkm_ | e: thanks |
| 04:04.39 | e | seems like the simplest |
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| 04:04.41 | jetscreamer | jacobkm_, what it boils down to for me is pointing the symlinks and/or mountpoints to /dev/hdd, and also creating the /dev/dvd symlink to /dev/hdd |
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| 04:05.08 | jacobkm_ | jetscreamer: ah, hadn't created any symlinks; perhaps that'll help... |
| 04:05.09 | asuffield | peterS: thusly rendering it a very wordy copy of the MIT license |
| 04:05.15 | jetscreamer | and permissions on cdrdao and cdrecord and whatever dvd's get burned with |
| 04:05.34 | asuffield | jmspeex: of course I have, we deal with people with dumb ideas about licenses like this on -legal all the time |
| 04:05.46 | peterS | asuffield: the MIT license doesn't require you to ship source of a library if you modified it |
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| 04:05.55 | asuffield | peterS: nor would the LGPL, with that exception |
| 04:06.18 | jmspeex | asuffield: my original idea was to add something like "Redistributions in source or binary form |
| 04:06.18 | jmspeex | of modified code requires that you make the modifications available in |
| 04:06.18 | jmspeex | source form", but I thought there might have been a simpler solution. |
| 04:06.41 | peterS | asuffield: I fail to see how the requirement to ship source code goes away if you grant an exception allowing a third party not to ship source code in the case where it hasn't been modified |
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| 04:06.59 | Sparr_ | jmspeex: "this code released under the GPL" |
| 04:06.59 | DebUser_ | Is hda == Primary HDD, hdb == secondary HDD? |
| 04:07.12 | asuffield | peterS: all your 'modified' code would simply be classified as an independent library, so no restrictions apply |
| 04:07.20 | mo699898 | if you mean master and slave yes debuser |
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| 04:07.29 | asuffield | peterS: the LGPL is *very* close to being completely ineffectual; relaxing any of the constraints kills it completely |
| 04:07.29 | peterS | DebUser_: hda is the master device of the first IDE interface |
| 04:07.31 | jetscreamer | debuser, per channel yes |
| 04:07.35 | DebUser_ | Ah yep, that's what I meant. Cheers mo699898 |
| 04:07.38 | peterS | DebUser_: hdb is the slave device of the first IDE interface |
| 04:07.39 | skyisblue | jmspeex: imho, only GPL or BSD can be the choice. |
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| 04:07.44 | jmspeex | asuffield: in other words, if you modify the library (and ship it), you release the changes to the library itself. Otherwise, do as you please. |
| 04:07.45 | Narg | My internet link seems to be selectively screwy: It works fine with Xp and Knoppix, but with Debian (sarge), it doesnt let me go to random sites (google, etc) [dsl, i386, external modem and switcher]. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:07.58 | asuffield | jmspeex: that's the GPL |
| 04:08.02 | DebUser_ | And how is a partition on the master drive defined as? hda1? |
| 04:08.03 | abrotman | switcher? |
| 04:08.11 | peterS | DebUser_: yes |
| 04:08.19 | Narg | Shrug, like a dumbed down router I understand |
| 04:08.20 | DebUser_ | Great, thanks |
| 04:08.32 | jmspeex | asuffield: No, the GPL means you have to distribute the software that links with an GPL lib, which is not what I want. |
| 04:08.51 | asuffield | jmspeex: that is what you just asked for. you cannot have it both ways. |
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| 04:09.32 | jmspeex | asuffield: How would adding "Redistributions in source or binary form of modified code requires that you make the modifications available in source form" cause problem?? |
| 04:10.08 | asuffield | jmspeex: that's not a copyleft. people can more or less ignore it |
| 04:10.17 | jmspeex | asuffield: how? |
| 04:10.37 | asuffield | you, uh, just don't pay any attention to it |
| 04:10.53 | jmspeex | asuffield: you can also not pay attention to the GPL... |
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| 04:11.04 | asuffield | no, the GPL lays down strict limits on what you can do |
| 04:11.16 | asuffield | that vague handwaving doesn't set any real limits |
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| 04:11.48 | asuffield | sheesh, this is like "I want to build a house. But I don't want any walls or a roof, they get in the way" |
| 04:11.48 | jacobkm_ | e, jetscreamer: got it! putting the "hdc=ide-scsi" in my grub conf was *causing* the problem, not solving it. Much thanks for the help! |
| 04:11.49 | jmspeex | asuffield: Then tell me what would. Right now, it's all BSD anyway. |
| 04:11.57 | WillySilly | anyone know how to make everything in the kicker transparent? |
| 04:12.06 | asuffield | jmspeex: the GPL |
| 04:12.08 | Sparr_ | what program does d-i use for selecting packages? i dont recognize it |
| 04:12.33 | peterS | Sparr_: I don't think it uses anything. it installs a base system then boots into that, and *that* runs something to select packages |
| 04:12.41 | jmspeex | asuffield: You mean I'm allowed to link to a GPL lib without redistributing the source to my app? that's surely new. |
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| 04:12.54 | peterS | Sparr_: I think it runs either tasksel or aptitude, maybe as a choice, but I can't say for sure, it's been awhile since I installed |
| 04:12.58 | Sparr_ | peterS: ok, what something would that be? |
| 04:13.02 | Sparr_ | ok, thanks |
| 04:13.10 | asuffield | jmspeex: that's essentially irrelevant. this nonsense about 'linking' is cargo-cult noise |
| 04:13.23 | asuffield | the GPL does not work like that. derivative works have to be released under the GPL. that is all. |
| 04:13.32 | asuffield | the GPL says *nothing* about 'linking' |
| 04:13.35 | skyisblue | Sparr_: aptitude |
| 04:13.35 | jmspeex | asuffield: Many people include my software in embedded applications where dynamic linking is impossible. |
| 04:13.46 | asuffield | dynamic linking is *completely* irrelevant |
| 04:13.58 | Sparr_ | jmspeex: if you link statically, you have to distribute source, since the gpl software is now part of yours. if you link at runtime (as in a dll) then you dont. |
| 04:14.10 | asuffield | varying between dynamic and static linking has no effect on whether things have to be released under the GPL or not |
| 04:14.23 | asuffield | nor can any other non-substantive transformation |
| 04:14.42 | asuffield | Sparr_: that's bullshit. stop repeating it. |
| 04:14.52 | Sparr_ | asuffield: ok, do you think both cases do or do not require source distribution? |
| 04:14.58 | jmspeex | asuffield: it is, because under the LGPL if you link statically, you end up having to (at the very least) distribute object code that can be re-linked with a new version of the library. |
| 04:15.16 | abrotman | debian-legal mailing list? |
| 04:15.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:15.20 | asuffield | Sparr_: some do, some do not. in every case, it is the same for two given pieces of code regardless of how they are built |
| 04:15.34 | Sparr_ | asuffield: interesting, i have not heard that particular take on it before |
| 04:15.34 | asuffield | jmspeex: you are wrong. you do not understand. repeat this until it sinks in. |
| 04:15.48 | Sparr_ | asuffield: what do you think is the discerning point? |
| 04:15.57 | asuffield | Sparr_: the LGPL is the one which makes distinctions about methods of linking. the GPL simply places requirements on derivative works |
| 04:16.08 | asuffield | Sparr_: it's not a matter of 'think'. it's right there in the first clause of the license |
| 04:16.12 | skyisblue | http://groklaw.net |
| 04:16.37 | asuffield | Sparr_: a work is either a derivative or it is not. this is an intrinsic property of the work; it is unrelated to external transformations such as compiling and linking |
| 04:17.09 | jmspeex | asuffield: From the LGPL: "If you link other code with the library, you must provide complete object files to the recipients, so that they can relink them with the library after making changes to the library and recompiling it." |
| 04:17.09 | asuffield | there's a popular myth been going around for years that the GPL talks about linking. it does not. that's the LGPL |
| 04:17.26 | WillySilly | anyone know how to make everything in the kicker transparent? |
| 04:17.28 | Sparr_ | asuffield: and its derivativeness is purely a matter of a judge's opinion :) that opinion is, im sure, most definitely swayed by whether or not the GPL'd software is part of yours. |
| 04:17.37 | jmspeex | asuffield: What? Is it the verb "to link" in this sentence?? |
| 04:18.10 | asuffield | Sparr_: roughly. in general, things that are normally linked are normally derivatives. but simply changing it from one form to the other has no effect |
| 04:18.16 | Sparr_ | if i use your gpl'd code and link statically, and you can show a judge that your code exists within my application now, then youve got a damn good shot at geting it ruled derivative |
| 04:18.30 | asuffield | Sparr_: the *binary*, sure. not the source |
| 04:18.37 | Sparr_ | if i link dynamically, and distribute my program WITHOUT your library, most judges would rule for me |
| 04:18.45 | skyisblue | isn't red-hat's distro also under GPL? |
| 04:18.50 | jmspeex | asuffield: Now you see what the LGPL isn't suitable for me? |
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| 04:19.11 | abrotman | eww . pennstate |
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| 04:19.15 | asuffield | jmspeex: the LGPL is an obscure corner case that is not suitable for anybody. you either want the MIT license or the GPL. we've been over this already. |
| 04:19.22 | EricBlade | anyone suggest a really good app for organizing about 12GB of mp3 files? |
| 04:19.27 | asuffield | Sparr_: that last part is wrong |
| 04:19.50 | asuffield | Sparr_: the way that you link it has no effect, aside from the pathological case where you have a file containing code from both |
| 04:20.09 | asuffield | Sparr_: and it never has any effect on the work itself, only on the combined files |
| 04:20.38 | jmspeex | asuffield: Always nice to know that you think at least half of free software authors are idiots |
| 04:20.41 | asuffield | EricBlade: a unix platform and the shell? |
| 04:21.08 | asuffield | jmspeex: have you been paying any attention at all? or are you just a megahal? |
| 04:21.32 | Sparr_ | asuffield: there is no combined file. if i write a program that uses your library, but do not distribute your library in any way, then im not restricted by the GPL. |
| 04:21.35 | EricBlade | asuffield: i was thinking of something that would maybe attempt to make a semi-intelligent guess as to what a file should be called based on it's current filename, and/or it's id3 tag |
| 04:21.42 | asuffield | Sparr_: that is incorrect |
| 04:21.48 | Sparr_ | but if i link statically, putting your code INSIDE my binary, then i am most certainly required to follow the GPL |
| 04:22.00 | jmspeex | asuffield: I have noticed you telling me I'm an idiot for wanting something else than MIT or GPL because the universe would explode if something else was possible. Anything else? |
| 04:22.20 | Sparr_ | asuffield: by your logic i can write a GPL plugin for (insert any program here) and thus GPL-ify the program because it can link to my GPL library at runtim |
| 04:22.27 | asuffield | jmspeex: congratulations, you have successfully wasted everybodies time by not paying any attention whatsoever |
| 04:22.43 | asuffield | Sparr_: no, you've got it all backwards. where did you get these ideas from? |
| 04:22.49 | Sparr_ | asuffield: which ones? |
| 04:22.54 | asuffield | Sparr_: ALL OF THEM! |
| 04:23.01 | asuffield | Sparr_: everything you just said is confused or outright wrong |
| 04:23.05 | Sparr_ | i read the gpl, thats how i know im bound by it if i distribute your gpl software |
| 04:23.35 | Sparr_ | however, if i write a program that *USES* your gpl software, but i do not distribute any form of your software, the gpl does not bind me (and cannot, for that matter) |
| 04:23.40 | asuffield | Sparr_: if you write a program, and it is a derivative of a GPLed library, then your program must be licensed under the GPL if you are to distribute it at all. this is entirely unrelated to what you do with the library |
| 04:23.54 | Sparr_ | my program is not a derivative of your library |
| 04:24.06 | Sparr_ | if it was, then xchat would be a derivative of every xchat plugin (the plugins being libraries) |
| 04:24.13 | jmspeex | asuffield: Put it another way. The addition I proposed to BSD does a bad job at what I want. Do you have anything better to suggest that 1) Makes static linking possible without additional restrictions 2) makes people release modifications to the source of the lib? |
| 04:24.17 | iceman | I have written a shell script wich automates ftp downloads thusly: ftp -a $mirror << "EOF"; <commands>; EOF. now a problem with this is I cannot use variables in the <commands> part.. mabye theres a better way to do this? |
| 04:24.30 | asuffield | jmspeex: are you going to pay any attention if I tell you one more time? |
| 04:24.41 | jmspeex | Go ahead, what's your message? |
| 04:24.49 | asuffield | jmspeex: (1) is the opposite of (2). pick one. you cannot have both. |
| 04:24.53 | interalia | iceman: you should be able to use variables in the commands... substitution should still happen in a here-document |
| 04:24.59 | interalia | AFAIK |
| 04:25.32 | jmspeex | asuffield: I want (1) absolutely and try having as much as I can (even if it's not much) of (2). |
| 04:25.35 | asuffield | Sparr_: xchat is not a derivative work of an xchat plugin. that's nonsense. |
| 04:25.47 | asuffield | jmspeex: they are direct contradictions. they are also binary choices. pick one. |
| 04:26.01 | Sparr_ | asuffield: then my program is not a derivative work of your library (my hypothetical program linking to your library at runtime for whatever functionality your library provides) |
| 04:26.05 | jetscreamer | death to teh licensemongerers! |
| 04:26.26 | jetscreamer | and that was T E H you xchat users, teh not the |
| 04:26.35 | asuffield | Sparr_: still wrong. this is where we started. the method by which the works interact does not affect whether they are derivative works or not |
| 04:26.54 | jmspeex | asuffield: In the specific case case of the addition I proposed, you'll agree that (1) is not violated, right. And (2) isn't worse than it was without the addition. No? |
| 04:26.56 | asuffield | Sparr_: derivative works can link at runtime. they can also link at build time. they can also not link at all. |
| 04:27.07 | asuffield | Sparr_: non-derivative works can link at runtime. they can also link at build time. they can also not link at all |
| 04:27.12 | jetscreamer | !license |
| 04:27.12 | asuffield | Sparr_: these things are not related in any way. |
| 04:27.12 | dpkg | it has been said that license is something that micro$~1 came up with ....It's evil |
| 04:27.22 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 04:27.35 | Sparr_ | asuffield: "A “derivative work” is a work based upon one or more preexisting works" |
| 04:27.44 | Sparr_ | my program is not "based" on your library |
| 04:27.52 | asuffield | jmspeex: right. (1) is not violated. (2) does not happen at all. you've got a slightly more irritating version of the MIT license. so you've irritated people for no reason |
| 04:27.54 | Sparr_ | if i copied your library and improvied it, THAT would be a derivative of your library |
| 04:28.23 | asuffield | Sparr_: if your program is not "based" on the library, then it is not a derivative. how they are connected on the system is irrelevant |
| 04:28.26 | Sparr_ | programs are not derivatives of the libraries they link to at runtime. mirc is not a derivative of c:\windows\system\something.dll |
| 04:28.33 | jmspeex | asuffield: Why is (2) not done AT ALL. |
| 04:28.51 | Sparr_ | xchat is not a derivative of /usr/local/lib/* |
| 04:28.53 | asuffield | jmspeex: because you've done nothing to accomplish it |
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| 04:29.05 | asuffield | Sparr_: you are still talking as if this is relevant in any way |
| 04:29.20 | Sparr_ | asuffield: in what way could a program EVER be a 'derivative' of a library it used? |
| 04:29.20 | asuffield | Sparr_: programs may be derivatives of libraries. programs may not be derivatives of libraries. |
| 04:29.25 | jetscreamer | !license |
| 04:29.25 | dpkg | hmm... license is something that micro$~1 came up with ....It's evil |
| 04:29.37 | jmspeex | asuffield: Even if people can work around it my (2), it makes it a pain to do and I'm just hoping they'll just release the modified source. |
| 04:29.40 | asuffield | Sparr_: if the program is based on the library, for example it cannot function without the library, then it is a derivative |
| 04:29.50 | Sparr_ | i wonder who came up with "micros~1"... i didnt start seeing that til about a month ago |
| 04:29.58 | Phated | They did. |
| 04:30.00 | asuffield | jmspeex: it's not a pain to do. it's easy. it's just irritating. no significant restrictions have been placed on them |
| 04:30.15 | Phated | The 8.3 format did it. micros~1.com :) |
| 04:30.31 | Sparr_ | asuffield: i disagree. i have plenty of linux games that cannot function without various drivers and such, which may or may not be opensource/gpl/whatever. |
| 04:30.48 | asuffield | Sparr_: I very much doubt that |
| 04:30.59 | Sparr_ | Phated: yes, im aware of its technical origin. but who started using it to refer to MS? whoever it was, i never saw it used that way until a month ago. |
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| 04:31.08 | Phated | Let's see... |
| 04:31.08 | jmspeex | asuffield: How exactly would you work around that *so* easily? Just tell me and you'll already have a point instead of just saying "believe me for I am the license God". |
| 04:31.18 | asuffield | Sparr_: if you actually checked, you'd find all the things they were a derivative of were not GPLed |
| 04:31.18 | peterS | asuffield: what he wants is for people who release a modified copy of his library (presumably as part of their own apps) provide source to the library. the GPL obviously accomplishes this. what he does not need is for those same people to have to provide source to his library if they do *not* modify the source they received. I fail to see why you say those two objectives are incompatible |
| 04:32.00 | Sparr_ | asuffield: a program that dynamically links to a library cannot be a derivative of that library. i shall justify this by pointing out that the library in question could be replaced by ANY other independently provided library that provides the same functionality. |
| 04:32.15 | asuffield | jmspeex: just do whatever you want to do and release it. it's not a 'modification', it's just some new code |
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| 04:32.44 | asuffield | Sparr_: you are wrong |
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| 04:32.57 | Sparr_ | my program uses foo.dll. it CANNOT be a derivative of foo.dll, because foo.dll could be foo.dll(microsoft) or foo.dll(opensource) or foo.dll(myversion), all independently produced. maybe foo.dll just provides a rand() function (easy eample, so i can honestly say i could reproduce it independently) |
| 04:32.58 | asuffield | Sparr_: I don't know where you got this idea, but it's arbitrary nonsense |
| 04:32.59 | jmspeex | asuffield: What??? If that's the case, the GPL would be ineffective too. |
| 04:33.51 | asuffield | jmspeex: no. the GPL places strict limits on what you can do. it doesn't just make an ineffectual handwave about 'source' and 'modifications' |
| 04:33.51 | Sparr_ | which foo.dll would you argue its a derivative of? |
| 04:33.51 | skyisblue | in GPL: if someone modify the source, then also they have to release the source under GPL. |
| 04:34.13 | ^buggler^ | Hello, can anyone assist me in installing XScorch? I've run configure --prefix=$HOME && make && make install and I get the server file but nothing else...I'm trying to install it without using dpkg since I don't have root. Basically, what I'm wondering is if there is any way to use .deb files without root or if anyone knows how to compile it properly |
| 04:34.14 | asuffield | peterS: that's not what he wants (that would be a strange thing to want). he wants copyleft that doesn't work on some arbitrary people |
| 04:34.18 | Sparr_ | this is not a completely made up situation. there are a LOT of proprietary drivers/libraries that have alternative drop-in replacements. 4DOS for DOS, for instance. |
| 04:34.23 | asuffield | peterS: where these arbitrary people are left undefined |
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| 04:34.51 | asuffield | Sparr_: this program is not based on any one of those libraries, such that it requires that library to function. it is not a derivative. |
| 04:35.03 | asuffield | Sparr_: this is very elementary stuff. all this 'library' noise is entirely irrelevant |
| 04:35.18 | jmspeex | asuffield: If you modify these files [the .c I distribute] and use them to build anything you redistribute, you have to release the modified version of these files. |
| 04:35.21 | Sparr_ | asuffield: it requires *A* foo.dll to function. |
| 04:35.27 | asuffield | Sparr_: irrelevant |
| 04:35.36 | Sparr_ | this, it is not a derivative of any one foo.dll |
| 04:35.48 | asuffield | Sparr_: that much is correct, but you just copied what I said |
| 04:35.55 | Sparr_ | so, if you write foo.dll, and i write a program that requires *A* foo.dll, how do you know that its a derivative of YOUR foo.dll? |
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| 04:36.34 | asuffield | jmspeex: then you can't have (1). this 'static linking' would be a clear breach of this restriction |
| 04:36.57 | jmspeex | jmspeex: how? |
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| 04:37.01 | asuffield | Sparr_: because it is based on the library, such that it requires the library to function |
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| 04:37.30 | rburns | I've installed a new font using defoma. how do I make sure it gets selected when doing automatic font substitution? |
| 04:37.33 | jmspeex | asuffield: If you don't modify the the .c files, you are under no obligation. |
| 04:38.41 | asuffield | jmspeex: well, that's a very strange license. for some people it's a copyleft and for others it's not. people who don't modify the files have an MIT-equivalent license. people who do modify the files have a GPL-equivalent license (leaving aside the fact that you haven't constructed that restriction properly yet) |
| 04:38.57 | asuffield | jmspeex: so anybody who wants to link your stuff statically doesn't modify the files, but instead creates some new files |
| 04:39.05 | Caveman | hey guys, can anyone point me to a good link about writting init.d scripts ? |
| 04:39.08 | asuffield | jmspeex: and this accomplishes... what? |
| 04:39.23 | asuffield | Caveman: it's just a shell script like any other... |
| 04:39.33 | jmspeex | asuffield: Sure, I don't mind that much if they add new files. It's already better than plain MIT. |
| 04:39.49 | asuffield | jmspeex: no it isn't. it's just plain MIT for anybody who wants it |
| 04:40.00 | jmspeex | asuffield: e.g. if they fix a bug, it would be a pain to just add the fix in a new file! |
| 04:40.04 | Caveman | asuffield: yeah but I am trying to use the stop start etc.. maybe I should have said. Anyone know a good shell tutorial ? |
| 04:40.04 | Sparr_ | asuffield: no, it requires *A* library. whether its YOUR (gpl) library or someone elses (non-gpl) library makes no difference to the program |
| 04:40.20 | asuffield | Sparr_: then it is not a derivative. make up your mind |
| 04:40.26 | WillySilly | anyone know how to make everything in the kicker transparent? |
| 04:40.33 | asuffield | jmspeex: not if they're even remotely competant at C |
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| 04:40.58 | asuffield | Caveman: probably a better question. I don't, though |
| 04:41.03 | dskippy | I need help with my kernel source. |
| 04:41.06 | Sparr_ | asuffield: make up yours. when is it ever a derivative as long as it can use a different library? no dynamically linked program requires a particular library. |
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| 04:41.19 | jmspeex | asuffield: The QPL with the "patch-only redistribution" was judged a pain in the ass wasn't it? |
| 04:41.23 | dskippy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.23 | asuffield | Sparr_: nonsense. many dynamically linked programs require specific libraries |
| 04:41.34 | Caveman | asuffield: hmm ok. |
| 04:41.37 | jetscreamer | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:41.45 | asuffield | jmspeex: the QPL is pretty much non-free. it was also a complete disaster for no particular reason. |
| 04:41.58 | dskippy | I need modversion.h but it's in kernel-headers which do not get put it /usr/src/linux for some reason. |
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| 04:42.07 | dskippy | This is what my /usr/src looks like |
| 04:42.08 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 04:42.10 | asuffield | jmspeex: however, that particular clause has little practical effect save to irritate people |
| 04:42.13 | Phated | jetscreamer: Any reason for the, er, screaming? |
| 04:42.16 | dskippy | kernel-headers-2.6.8-1 kernel-kbuild-2.6-3 linux |
| 04:42.16 | dskippy | kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686 kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2 |
| 04:42.20 | asuffield | (the problems with the QPL lay elsewhere) |
| 04:42.26 | Sparr_ | asuffield: no, they require SOME library that provides certain functions. anyone can write those libraries. for example, my .NET applications require a "specific" library to provide the .NET runtime. and yet, mysteriously, they do not care if its microsofts runtime or mono's runtime |
| 04:42.34 | jetscreamer | use the headers-686/include |
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| 04:42.52 | jetscreamer | Phated, of course... i do nothing w/o a good reason. |
| 04:42.53 | dskippy | jetscreamer: How do I do that? |
| 04:42.56 | asuffield | Sparr_: you do not yet seem to have grasped this principle: there exist some pieces of code which require other pieces of code to function, and there exist some which do not |
| 04:43.01 | Phated | jetscreamer: And that would be...? |
| 04:43.03 | jmspeex | asuffield: Still the idea is not to make it bullet-proof, can you understand that? If it just makes it a bit of a pain to work-around, it better than nothing for my purposes. |
| 04:43.38 | jetscreamer | Phated, they're STILL going on about teh_lice-ense |
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| 04:43.46 | Phated | jetscreamer: Ohhhh... Right. |
| 04:43.52 | asuffield | jmspeex: that's counterproductive. it irritates people, but anybody who really wants to write proprietary stuff can do so anyway. so you're right back where you started, except with more irritated people |
| 04:44.19 | jmspeex | asuffield: I don't mind people writing proprietary software with it. |
| 04:44.22 | dskippy | jethro: What are the headers-686/include? |
| 04:44.24 | asuffield | jmspeex: then use the MIT license |
| 04:44.34 | jetscreamer | dskippy, you supply the path of /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r`/include |
| 04:44.52 | Sparr_ | asuffield: no program requires a specific other piece of code. if my program wants rand() from /usr/lib/math.lib (stupid example) then i can put ANY math.lib that provides an appropriate rand() there. it can be yours, or mine, or someone elses. that is not derivation, it is interoperability. |
| 04:45.10 | jmspeex | asuffield: I want to make changes in source form to be redistributed. |
| 04:45.13 | asuffield | Sparr_: you are wrong. many programs require specific other pieces of code |
| 04:45.15 | Sparr_ | there are many examples of OSS devs replicating the functionality of a closed source library, from scratch. |
| 04:45.19 | asuffield | jmspeex: why? |
| 04:45.20 | jetscreamer | create a symlink if you just have to have the deprecated_by_torvald /usr/src/linux ... btw do i smell kde kernel configurator? |
| 04:45.21 | Sparr_ | asuffield: provide one example. |
| 04:45.35 | dskippy | jethro: Do I need to do this every time I build stuff? Why doesn't debian just put the headers in the source tree like when you download kernel-source? I seem to remember apt-get doing this before. |
| 04:45.35 | asuffield | Sparr_: anything on your system with a dependency on something else |
| 04:45.41 | Sparr_ | asuffield: provide one example.\ |
| 04:45.53 | asuffield | Sparr_: I provided 15 thousand |
| 04:45.57 | asuffield | plenty of packages in Debian |
| 04:46.09 | Sparr_ | you just dont get it. no dependency is on a specific package. its on something that package does. |
| 04:46.14 | asuffield | Sparr_: you are wrong |
| 04:46.18 | jetscreamer | dskippy, the source is if you want to build your own kernel... the kernel-headers are the headers to build against for uname -r |
| 04:46.29 | Sparr_ | any package you name, a suitably capable coder could reproduce its functionality from scratch and thus run anything that depends on it |
| 04:46.36 | jetscreamer | aka stock kernel |
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| 04:47.16 | skyisblue | jetscreamer: isn't it right to just download kernel source from kernel.org |
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| 04:47.23 | dskippy | jethro: So the /usr/src/linux sym link should go to the headers in other words. |
| 04:47.37 | dskippy | err jetscreamer |
| 04:47.53 | Sparr_ | aptitude requires apt-get (i think. maybe not. so sue me if its a wrong example). but it does not require *YOUR* apt-get. i could write apt-get myself, from scratch, and thus run aptitude without your GPLed apt-get. |
| 04:48.28 | WillySilly | anyone know how to make everything in the kicker transparent? |
| 04:48.53 | mlewis00 | WillySilly: You might try #debian-kde... |
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| 04:50.39 | dskippy | jetscreamer: Thanks. |
| 04:52.00 | asuffield | Sparr_: since you have not done so, aptitude is a derivative of apt |
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| 04:52.17 | jetscreamer | skyisblue, that's the stock, what you apt-get has debian patches |
| 04:52.39 | john | why can't I apt-get irssi :( |
| 04:52.50 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search irssi |
| 04:53.01 | sciboy | How can i get XF86 to accept input from a device that isn't even plugged in... yet. |
| 04:53.08 | skyisblue | i see. |
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| 04:53.35 | ideafix | arent you all happy that #debian got picked has 2004 worst irc channel ? |
| 04:53.39 | sciboy | I want to be able to just plug it in whenever i need it =P |
| 04:53.52 | skyisblue | john: aptitude and "/" "irssi" "+" "g" "g" |
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| 04:53.57 | jetscreamer | silent channels suck |
| 04:54.03 | asuffield | ideafix: by some random person. I pick #flood, and my choice is at least as valid |
| 04:54.06 | john | wow.. |
| 04:54.07 | john | Thanks |
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| 04:54.17 | Sparr_ | asuffield: how do you know i have not done so? or that someone else hasnt? that it can be done is whats important. aptitude does not require apt, it simply requires something with the capabilities of apt. .NET is a perfect example. |
| 04:54.20 | Phated | I pick #debian-offtopic! |
| 04:54.22 | jetscreamer | ~dselect |
| 04:54.23 | apt | rumour has it, dselect is a wonderful GUI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: ... |
| 04:54.24 | ideafix | CORPORATIVE SPAM ! |
| 04:54.45 | skyisblue | john: in aptitude, "n" is next search |
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| 04:55.02 | kremlyn | After b/g what is the next 802.11 to be released? |
| 04:55.06 | asuffield | Sparr_: I don't need to know. I just need to observe absence of evidence (in court if necessary) |
| 04:55.14 | xam | kremlyn: 'n' |
| 04:55.29 | asuffield | Sparr_: strangely enough, licenses do not exist in a vacuum. they exist in a world where people can ask each other stuff |
| 04:55.35 | kremlyn | xam: Hmm.. thanks |
| 04:55.36 | Sparr_ | asuffield: evidence of what? youre the one accusing me of a crime, i dont need evidence of anything. |
| 04:55.45 | Sparr_ | but, back on a more debianly topic... |
| 04:55.45 | xam | kremlyn: wide range, high speed. finally. |
| 04:55.46 | jetscreamer | !criminals |
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| 04:55.54 | Sparr_ | ive got an nvidia gpu, iirc i do NOT want the nv X server? |
| 04:56.05 | jetscreamer | uh no you don't |
| 04:56.16 | jetscreamer | or do you... |
| 04:56.19 | Sparr_ | should i go with vesa or vga? |
| 04:56.23 | jetscreamer | only the shadow knows |
| 04:56.27 | jetscreamer | nv |
| 04:56.29 | Phated | Is there even an nv xserver anymore? |
| 04:56.35 | Phated | Or is this woody. |
| 04:56.38 | jetscreamer | just use the nv module |
| 04:56.39 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: nv or the Debian binaries. |
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| 04:56.40 | Sparr_ | this is sid |
| 04:56.47 | asuffield | Sparr_: uh, no, you *do* need evidence. if I show in court that your program uses my library, and you do not show that it could use some other library instead, *you lose* |
| 04:56.49 | jetscreamer | or #nvidia |
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| 04:57.05 | p0pifty|wifi | asuffield: after a/g comes 802.11n |
| 04:57.08 | Sparr_ | asuffield: USING a library doesnt matter. xchat USES my plugin library. |
| 04:57.18 | Sparr_ | asuffield: even DEPENDING on it doesnt matter, for the reasons ive covered before |
| 04:57.26 | jetscreamer | but if you want the nvidia binaries, you need the kernel headers... aren't there licenses and libraries then? |
| 04:57.31 | Sparr_ | the only thing i cant do is make it a derivative of your work |
| 04:57.40 | Sparr_ | p0pifty|wifi: droooool, n |
| 04:57.50 | skyisblue | Sparr_: mepis |
| 04:57.58 | asuffield | Sparr_: you were wrong. you're still wrong. |
| 04:58.09 | asuffield | Sparr_: this is how copyright works |
| 04:58.14 | Sparr_ | asuffield: no, you were, and are, wrong. you just refuse to consider it. |
| 04:58.14 | kremlyn | xam: Yeah :-) |
| 04:58.19 | Sparr_ | A “derivative work” is a work based upon one or more preexisting works |
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| 04:58.29 | Sparr_ | id like to repeat that quote, straight from real copyright law |
| 04:58.32 | Sparr_ | no paraphrasing |
| 04:58.33 | Sparr_ | no nothing |
| 04:58.35 | Sparr_ | thats the way it is |
| 04:58.55 | Phated | You need to start liking the Enter key less too. |
| 04:58.58 | asuffield | Sparr_: right, that's the basic definition. now go learn what it means. I've just given you an outline |
| 04:59.02 | artichoke | you folks are rowdy |
| 04:59.14 | Okay | is there a command that shows all running daemons on debian? |
| 04:59.16 | Poprocks | artichoke, drunk on their own sense of power |
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| 04:59.24 | Sparr_ | artichoke: nothing better to do |
| 04:59.31 | artichoke | Okay: ps ax |
| 04:59.31 | Sparr_ | im waiting for apt to finish installing stuff |
| 04:59.36 | Okay | thanks |
| 04:59.43 | Phated | Rowdy happens later. When everyone gets drunk. |
| 04:59.56 | artichoke | Poprocks: 'intelligence' or something |
| 05:00.05 | Poprocks | hehe |
| 05:00.16 | artichoke | free drinks at the bar? |
| 05:00.24 | Phated | You wish, don't you. |
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| 05:00.37 | artichoke | i bring the flask |
| 05:00.50 | Poprocks | Pine rocks, Mutt sucks! |
| 05:01.06 | Sparr_ | next time windows requires a reinstall im moving back to linux for my desktop. ive got gentoo now, but i think im coming back to debian. i like having more cutting edge packages, but even a veteran debian-incoming-er couldnt handle all the package conflicts in gentoo |
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| 05:01.45 | xelfer | anyone know if it's possibly to specify which modules are included in the initrd which is created with make-kpkg --initrd ? |
| 05:01.50 | elnovato | im alexander magnus!!! |
| 05:01.52 | xelfer | not finding much in manpages |
| 05:01.53 | artichoke | live discs never have conflicts =) |
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| 05:02.35 | artichoke | neither do coasters i suppose |
| 05:03.22 | jetscreamer | i bought 100 cd-r's for 12.99 ... like 25 of em so far are bad, 50 good. |
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| 05:03.30 | jetscreamer | (speaking of coasters) |
| 05:03.50 | asuffield | buy better disks, that's pathetic |
| 05:03.50 | jetscreamer | you get what you pay for |
| 05:03.58 | asuffield | it's not like they're expensive |
| 05:04.03 | skyisblue | xelfer: what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:04.21 | jetscreamer | i shoulda gone with the hp ones for 4 bucks more :) but i wanted to try em out |
| 05:04.32 | ecko | Hi for some reason I don't have my unstable system running mountvirtfs automagically on boot |
| 05:04.41 | ecko | what package takes care of this?> |
| 05:04.49 | Phated | jetscreamer: What brand was this? |
| 05:04.50 | artichoke | jethro: dont buy discs off the net!! |
| 05:04.54 | artichoke | jetscreamer |
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| 05:05.02 | xelfer | skyisblue: hmm, my machine boots fine on 2.4 kernels, it's giving a pivot_root kernel panic in 2.6, i'm guessing the ide-generic module isn't being loaded by initrd |
| 05:05.12 | jetscreamer | i think it was GQ.. great quality.. got em from fry's |
| 05:05.24 | Phated | Apparently, NOT great quality. :) |
| 05:05.28 | xelfer | so I was wondering if there was a way of forcing it in there (because i compile my kernels on a different machine) |
| 05:05.34 | xelfer | rather than locally using mkinitrd |
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| 05:05.42 | uriahheep | hello |
| 05:05.57 | asuffield | quite pathetic really. it's really hard to get a yield that poor |
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| 05:06.07 | uriahheep | umm, i was just wondering, is there a way to make apt-get believe that i have already acquired a certani library? |
| 05:06.10 | asuffield | as if somebody stored them in direct sunlight, or went over them with an angle grinder |
| 05:06.16 | Phated | QP? :) |
| 05:06.17 | uriahheep | i mean a certain package*? |
| 05:06.22 | xelfer | jetscreamer: how do you notice that? when my first question had 'make-kpkg --initrd' at the end of it ? :) |
| 05:06.29 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:06.43 | skyisblue | xelfer: aptitude and "/" "kernel-image-2.6" |
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| 05:06.54 | jetscreamer | then why are you going on about mkinitrd? |
| 05:07.06 | loke | how can i alter a .swf file in linux? |
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| 05:07.42 | rafx | anyone here running sarge + kernel-2.6 as a guest os in windows vmware 4.5 host? any known issues with this setup? |
| 05:07.44 | xelfer | jetscreamer: because the basis of my question is how to force initrd to load a module, when initrd has been made with make-kpkg --initrd, and I don't wanna use mkinitrd on the local machine? ;-) |
| 05:07.53 | elnovato | loke: you isntall vmware and install flash macromedia |
| 05:07.59 | loke | elnovato ok |
| 05:08.07 | jetscreamer | xelfer, i always list ide-generic as a module, or used to... worked. are you sure it's M? grep your .config |
| 05:08.12 | smj | rafx: Yes, for some reason the mouse does not work in X. |
| 05:08.16 | elnovato | rafx: here yes |
| 05:08.17 | xelfer | yeah, it's M |
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| 05:08.21 | smj | rafx: You need to patch VMWare tools. |
| 05:08.24 | xelfer | hmmm. |
| 05:08.28 | elnovato | rafx: workd fine on 2.6.2.10 |
| 05:08.31 | xelfer | recompiling now just to be sure anyway. |
| 05:08.39 | elnovato | rafx: workd fine on 2.6.8.10 * (the whisky) |
| 05:09.15 | smj | rafx: Of course I tried it quite a while ago. Maybe there's no issue now. |
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| 05:09.47 | jetscreamer | i think it quit borking w/o that enabled for me though.. i did notice i used to HAVE to enable ide-genric |
| 05:09.58 | rafx | much thanks for the feedback |
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| 05:10.03 | jetscreamer | i'll find out nxt compile |
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| 05:10.15 | hipp | anoyone here that can help me with grub on debian? |
| 05:10.24 | mebaran | would anyone be able to tell me how one woudl force a package to install |
| 05:10.24 | smj | hipp: What's up? |
| 05:10.27 | scarynetworkguy | !tell hipp aobut ask |
| 05:10.32 | mebaran | when the dependencies are aonly slightly off |
| 05:10.39 | xelfer | jetscreamer: yeh - i've got 5 labs to install and theres just 1 lab which has shithouse ibm deskstars which seems to require it |
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| 05:10.45 | mebaran | I need to force an install of gnome-panel |
| 05:10.46 | artichoke | Gwildor: hi |
| 05:10.55 | Gwildor | hi hi artichoke |
| 05:10.56 | mebaran | how woudl you have apt-get do that |
| 05:11.10 | Gwildor | artichoke, i just finished my sarge install |
| 05:11.12 | smj | mebaran: You can dpkg --force-help and see what your options are, but I don't recommend trying to trick the package manager unless you have no alternative. |
| 05:11.12 | ecko | hey does anyone know where there's newer xorg debs, I'm sorta bummed the linux-systems debs went down |
| 05:11.17 | john | how do i configure sounds to work for user? |
| 05:11.25 | artichoke | Gwildor: the full thing? |
| 05:11.32 | ecko | and ps for anyone who didn't transparanency works awesome :) |
| 05:11.41 | jetscreamer | john, adduser user audio , a lot |
| 05:11.57 | Gwildor | artichoke, i did the sarge installer, base only, then apt-get what i need.....only 4 gig hd on this lappy |
| 05:11.58 | hipp | smj, just confused with scsi, thats all |
| 05:12.04 | john | well, the user "john" is created |
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| 05:12.12 | john | already |
| 05:12.13 | john | so |
| 05:12.19 | Gwildor | artichoke, but i did figure out how to get my usb to ethernet adapter working during install |
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| 05:12.51 | Sparr_ | first thing i need on this box... nvidia drivers |
| 05:12.57 | john | The user `john' is already a member of `audio'. |
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| 05:13.04 | skyisblue | john: your sound works for root? |
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| 05:13.13 | artichoke | Gwildor: room switch! im over in DSL |
| 05:13.19 | Gwildor | kk |
| 05:13.21 | smj | hipp: Uh, what's there to be confused about? |
| 05:13.44 | john | i dont know i could log out of x and check |
| 05:13.48 | icefox | Could someone tell me the name of the package that walks you through setting up your senmail server? I don't remember the name (so I can run dpkg-reconfigure on it) |
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| 05:14.01 | hipp | smj, well i want grub to boot win98, winxp on my first scsi hdd and linux on my second scsi hdd |
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| 05:14.27 | cat | john: restart the X |
| 05:14.29 | hipp | smj, and i dont know how to configure it properly in menu.lst |
| 05:14.49 | Sparr_ | wow, gnome on 640x480x16 sucks :) |
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| 05:14.53 | skyisblue | john: apt-get install alsa-base?? |
| 05:15.05 | cat | skyisblue: he just needs to restart the X, |
| 05:15.12 | smj | hipp: So, two hard drives, right? |
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| 05:15.21 | skyisblue | k |
| 05:15.30 | smj | hipp: You might need to do the hard drive swapping trick. |
| 05:15.43 | cat | slave and master hipp |
| 05:15.44 | hipp | smj, this sounds bad... lol |
| 05:16.04 | hipp | cat, it is scsi |
| 05:16.10 | smj | hipp: Not really, I had to do the same thing. |
| 05:16.10 | cat | ok |
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| 05:16.32 | Sparr_ | ok, default sid install with X... how do i make X not restart itself, so i can install nvidia drivers? |
| 05:16.40 | cat | hipp: grub --install-partition=par |
| 05:16.44 | smj | hipp: What you need to do is add the following to your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:16.54 | hipp | smj, its open right now |
| 05:16.56 | smj | map (hd0) (hd1) |
| 05:16.59 | rafx | if sarge is frozen, does that mean sarge != testing during the freeze or that frozen packages merely don't go into testing? |
| 05:17.01 | smj | map (hd1) (hd0) |
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| 05:17.09 | cat | smj: he can do what i told him to do, |
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| 05:17.20 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:17.31 | coywolf | my gmplayer doesn't play sound. but mplayer is still ok. what's wrong? |
| 05:17.40 | smj | cat: ok |
| 05:17.49 | cat | hipp: do what i told you to do, |
| 05:17.50 | Phated | rafx: Sarge is still testing. Currently base and some others are frozen, which means that they will not change from now on. |
| 05:18.00 | rafx | thanks |
| 05:18.03 | smj | hipp: cat's gonna help you then |
| 05:18.04 | hipp | cat, what will it do? |
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| 05:18.06 | skyisblue | !marillat |
| 05:18.06 | dpkg | marillat is, like, an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons. See ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add this repository to your sources.list |
| 05:18.13 | hipp | smj, u were on on something! |
| 05:18.16 | skyisblue | for your Sparr_ |
| 05:18.17 | cat | install a new partition so it can boot up to win |
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| 05:18.22 | obsidian | coywolf, check audio config |
| 05:18.22 | sword- | anyone here use reiser 4? |
| 05:18.27 | hipp | cat, no way |
| 05:18.31 | obsidian | click on the wrench |
| 05:18.36 | hipp | cat, its a finished partioning |
| 05:18.39 | cat | i've being working with grub for 5 years |
| 05:19.04 | cat | hipp: type grub new |
| 05:19.04 | hipp | cat, ok |
| 05:19.07 | coywolf | obsidian, how to? |
| 05:19.20 | obsidian | in gui |
| 05:19.25 | Sparr_ | skyisblue: for me? |
| 05:19.26 | hipp | cat, done |
| 05:19.30 | cat | hipp: reboot, |
| 05:19.38 | obsidian | gui maintains separate confiyg, maybe wrong somehow |
| 05:20.02 | rafx | can anyone of us help fix this or is participation limited to maintainers? the maintainer needs help getting currently bugfree package into testing. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=285361 |
| 05:20.11 | hipp | cat, what happens if i cant boot into linux again? |
| 05:20.11 | coywolf | obsidian, no use |
| 05:20.16 | cat | u can, |
| 05:20.18 | skyisblue | sword-: nitro-patch, http://sepi.be/nitro.php |
| 05:20.29 | mebaran | could anyone aid me in forcing an install |
| 05:20.31 | cat | is not like we deleted, anything from grub don't be an idiot |
| 05:20.35 | obsidian | no use? |
| 05:20.38 | skyisblue | Sparr_: marillat |
| 05:20.39 | Phated | rafx: It should say there somewhere. Or email the maintainer and ask. |
| 05:20.59 | sword- | hmm is there a 2.6.9 patchset for reiser4? |
| 05:21.02 | cat | mebaran: apt-get -f install packaged |
| 05:21.12 | sword- | i dont want to use 2.6.10 at the moment |
| 05:21.17 | Sparr_ | skyisblue: why? |
| 05:21.24 | hipp | cat, im in bash for grub |
| 05:21.32 | cat | hipp: reboot, now, |
| 05:21.33 | skyisblue | Sparr_: and aptitude and "nvidia" "n".."+" "g" "g". |
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| 05:21.37 | cat | and u will see the win there, |
| 05:21.48 | hipp | ok im doing it now |
| 05:21.54 | skyisblue | Sparr_: oh "/" |
| 05:21.59 | hipp | i hope u r right cat |
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| 05:22.07 | cat | im always right, |
| 05:22.15 | cat | well not with girls. |
| 05:22.19 | Phated | FFS, if it doesn't boot, you get to fix it, that's all. |
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| 05:22.22 | Sparr_ | skyisblue: that made no sense |
| 05:22.27 | lizsac | hi |
| 05:22.28 | hipp | cat, lilo booting up |
| 05:22.29 | sanxiyn | rafx: mod_fastcgi is non-free, so it needs builds. |
| 05:22.31 | skyisblue | Sparr_: nvidia+linux kernel |
| 05:22.34 | rafx | Phated: maintainer mentions he isn't a "registered developer" and needs help building for various archs. not sure how to interpret this. |
| 05:22.45 | lizsac | hey what happened to asm/ldt.h ??? |
| 05:22.50 | cat | hipp: does it see the win?? |
| 05:22.53 | lizsac | i upgraded my debian and it disappeared |
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| 05:23.01 | Phated | rafx: Hmmm. Not sure either. I've never been huge on the devel side of things. |
| 05:23.03 | Sparr_ | skyisblue: i have NO idea what youre talking about |
| 05:23.08 | john | still no sound, and i did apt-get install alsa-base |
| 05:23.08 | hipp | cat, ive alweays had trouble with lilo so i wanted to replace it with grub |
| 05:23.19 | sanxiyn | rafx: If you have non-i386 machine, grab source and build it. Report any problems. |
| 05:23.20 | beavis9090 | im fat |
| 05:23.28 | lizsac | anyone? |
| 05:23.29 | hipp | cat, really? |
| 05:23.34 | Phated | rafx: The main gist is that he needs bugfree packages for different archs, so if you had a different arch you could perhaps build and test for him or something. |
| 05:23.38 | beavis9090 | and i have no friends who are boys |
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| 05:23.41 | lizsac | libc6-dev |
| 05:23.44 | sanxiyn | rafx: But I think mod_fastcgi needs DD-signed builds on all archs to go to testing. |
| 05:23.44 | hipp | sorry beavis9090 , really? |
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| 05:23.49 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 05:23.53 | beavis9090 | i need sql injection software |
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| 05:23.59 | beavis9090 | yes hip im fat |
| 05:24.05 | john | Please check that (Your sound card is configured properly) You have the correct output plugin selected, and no other program is blocking sounds (that's the error I get) |
| 05:24.06 | xelfer | lizsac: linux-kernel-headers ? |
| 05:24.10 | john | any ideas? |
| 05:24.15 | beavis9090 | a fat or full figured woman |
| 05:24.20 | lizsac | in /usr/lib/asm |
| 05:24.23 | cat | john: some other program is using your sound card, try using ps x |
| 05:24.26 | cat | and see if you'r running xmms |
| 05:24.32 | superlinux | how can i install a newer version of kde? is there some dummy package? |
| 05:24.32 | skyisblue | Sparr_: excuse my english.. |
| 05:24.33 | lizsac | akk |
| 05:24.40 | john | i am running xmms.. tryin to play songs with it |
| 05:24.41 | cat | superlinux: #debiankde |
| 05:24.47 | lizsac | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.51 | Phated | #debian-kde. |
| 05:24.52 | rafx | sanxiyn: wish i had them so i can help out :(. since i'm going to use libapache2-mod-fastcgi in production, i'm hoping it makes it into sarge to get the benefit of the security team this year |
| 05:24.53 | cat | john: try and see if theres other program using it |
| 05:24.55 | cat | oh sorry =) |
| 05:25.22 | john | okay |
| 05:25.26 | beavis9090 | im fat |
| 05:25.27 | hipp | cat, can u get this working lol? |
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| 05:25.37 | cat | hipp: try using lilo |
| 05:25.39 | beavis9090 | hipp im fat |
| 05:25.48 | Phated | beavis9090: No one cares. |
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| 05:25.49 | cat | beavis9090: who cares? |
| 05:25.52 | john | brb again |
| 05:25.52 | superlinux | Phated, does this get me the current one? |
| 05:25.55 | hipp | cat, that wasnt working |
| 05:26.03 | cat | didn't u say u had grub? |
| 05:26.03 | hipp | cat, i want grub to work so badly |
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| 05:26.10 | beavis9090 | phated thanks alot jerk, final fantasy rules!! |
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| 05:26.16 | sciboy | I have an additional input device i wish to use under XFree86 without having it initially plugged in when booted, how can i do this? |
| 05:26.16 | Phated | superlinux: No, you join the channel and -ask- them. |
| 05:26.17 | Sparr_ | (en->de) sprechen Sie Deutsches? |
| 05:26.20 | hipp | cat, apt-get remove lilo ; apt-get install grub ;)) |
| 05:26.22 | Phated | beavis9090: You're welcome. Get lost. |
| 05:26.24 | obsidian | i've never seen grub not workj |
| 05:26.27 | lizsac | where does it store my installed pkg list at |
| 05:26.29 | lizsac | i forget |
| 05:26.37 | lizsac | been usin fbsd too much |
| 05:26.37 | xelfer | dpkg -l |
| 05:26.38 | dpkg | xelfer: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 05:26.51 | john | the only thing possibly using sounds is gaim |
| 05:26.52 | beavis9090 | Phated, dont me a fat girl hatta!!! |
| 05:26.57 | cat | sciboy: put it on /etc/modules |
| 05:27.14 | Phated | *sigh* |
| 05:27.16 | sciboy | s/booting/starting x |
| 05:27.17 | Phated | !ops beavis9090 |
| 05:27.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: beavis9090 |
| 05:27.21 | obsidian | john, lsof /dev0/snd ? |
| 05:27.27 | helix | beavis9090: cut it out |
| 05:27.40 | skyisblue | Sparr_: i don't use mouse for some reason. i am lesser expressive person. |
| 05:27.41 | beavis9090 | no butthead |
| 05:27.43 | obsidian | ... /dev |
| 05:27.54 | john | lsof: status error on /dev0/snd: No such file or directory |
| 05:27.57 | skyisblue | for now. |
| 05:27.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 05:27.59 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@adsl-209-30-38-198.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] by helix |
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| 05:28.05 | obsidian | drop 0, typo |
| 05:28.13 | lizsac | libc6-dev 2.2.5-11.8 |
| 05:28.18 | john | blackrain:/home/john# lsof /dev/snd |
| 05:28.18 | john | blackrain:/home/john# |
| 05:28.21 | lizsac | hrmm they must of dropped the ldt.h |
| 05:28.29 | ajs` | hey, how can i make it do all the files in a directory are created with a specific group no matter who creates the files? |
| 05:28.29 | obsidian | nothing has alsa devs open |
| 05:28.36 | obsidian | lsof /dev/dsp |
| 05:28.41 | obsidian | mixer etc |
| 05:28.46 | john | same, blank. |
| 05:28.56 | obsidian | that's that |
| 05:28.58 | Sparr_ | can anyone recommend a guide for installing the nvidia drivers? the installer is suggesting i have the wrong kernel sources (i have kernel-source-2.4.27 and kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 installed, for kernel 2.4.27-1-386) |
| 05:28.59 | Phated | Chose the correct driver for alsa? |
| 05:29.03 | xam | somehow www.kernel.org is *very* slow here ... did work fine a couple of hours ago |
| 05:29.17 | obsidian | sparr, google nvidia debian |
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| 05:29.27 | lizsac | i wonder what would happen if i put an old ldt.h in |
| 05:29.28 | obsidian | there's a great howto |
| 05:29.39 | obsidian | involves module-assistant |
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| 05:29.43 | obsidian | very easy |
| 05:29.54 | Sparr_ | obsidian: not finding the one im looking for :( |
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| 05:30.11 | john | Phated, How would I go about doing that? |
| 05:30.13 | boukensya | hey guys.. How do I turn off the pc speaker? I forgot how /: thanx (: |
| 05:30.14 | obsidian | it's usuaaly hit 1 with that search |
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| 05:30.27 | Phated | john: Right-click around, go to options. It's at least semi-obvious. |
| 05:30.31 | Phated | boukensya: /msg dpkg bell |
| 05:30.39 | obsidian | boukensya- unplug it inside case? |
| 05:30.46 | skyisblue | Sparr_: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 05:30.50 | obsidian | lol |
| 05:30.56 | boukensya | it is on the mainboard |
| 05:31.03 | obsidian | what- |
| 05:31.08 | boukensya | I turned it off before with a file |
| 05:31.10 | skyisblue | >.< |
| 05:31.20 | Phated | boukensya: /msg dpkg bell, ftlog. |
| 05:31.21 | obsidian | weird mainbaord if it's mounted wo wire |
| 05:31.37 | icefox | Could someone tell me the name of the package that walks you through setting up your senmail server? I don't remember the name (so I can run dpkg-reconfigure on it) |
| 05:31.51 | Phated | sendmail? |
| 05:31.52 | lizsac | damn my gentoo box has an ldt.h |
| 05:31.58 | lizsac | why doesn't debian? |
| 05:31.58 | icefox | Phated: yah |
| 05:32.01 | superlinux | how can i download sid cd's? |
| 05:32.04 | lizsac | doh this isn't intel! |
| 05:32.07 | Sparr_ | obsidian: you mean http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/index.html ? |
| 05:32.09 | lizsac | i have debian on the ppc |
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| 05:32.11 | Phated | icefox: Yeah, how about trying the package name "sendmail"? |
| 05:32.12 | lizsac | der |
| 05:32.20 | lizsac | i forgot |
| 05:32.21 | icefox | exim4: is just exim4-cf, but sendmail-cf doesn't do anything, nore sendmail |
| 05:32.22 | obsidian | looks right, sprr |
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| 05:32.27 | Phated | superlinux: You don't. Use d-i. |
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| 05:32.38 | superlinux | ok |
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| 05:32.45 | lizsac | by the way debian runs great on ppc |
| 05:32.49 | d0ugie | does cpanel still not work on deb? |
| 05:32.51 | lizsac | better than any other operating system |
| 05:32.52 | obsidian | yeah? |
| 05:33.06 | Spark | even... osx? :) |
| 05:33.06 | obsidian | i used to like yellowdog |
| 05:33.14 | lizsac | yeah yellowdog runs good too |
| 05:33.20 | icefox | Phated: I was thinking that there might be some other package that pulls up the config dialogs |
| 05:33.24 | lizsac | i'm talking second generation powermacs |
| 05:33.25 | Guerin | yellowdog is redhat based |
| 05:33.26 | superlinux | is there some article to describe sarge for me better? cos i know what is sarge but wanna know more |
| 05:33.34 | lizsac | like 7200/90 and 8500/200 |
| 05:33.35 | Phated | Debian runs rather well on ppc, according to the macheads here. |
| 05:33.37 | Guerin | this makes it objectively inferior |
| 05:33.40 | ajs` | anyone know how to set default permissions for a specific dir? |
| 05:33.49 | epsilon | is there any http-proxy tool which 1. doesn not require to be installed as root 2. can be started from user (!=root)? |
| 05:33.52 | lizsac | i haven't tried debian on g3's or g4s yet |
| 05:34.02 | lizsac | debian runs nice on my sgi too |
| 05:34.05 | lizsac | heheh |
| 05:34.09 | obsidian | epsilon... ssh! |
| 05:34.19 | Guerin | epsilon: any of them, if you build it properly and bind it to the correct port |
| 05:34.21 | cat | damn i wish i had a laptop |
| 05:34.26 | obsidian | dynamic tunnel emulates socksv5 |
| 05:34.37 | lizsac | where bsd is the suck debian reigns supreme |
| 05:34.37 | obsidian | putty support on wn32 |
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| 05:34.49 | epsilon | obsidian: can ssh play http-proxy? or only forward ports? |
| 05:34.52 | boukensya | its in the inputrc file |
| 05:34.54 | Guerin | epsilon: but if you don't have root, I'm certainly not going to tell you how to install something so non-trivial as a http proxy without it |
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| 05:35.02 | obsidian | epsilon, full sockv5 |
| 05:35.12 | john | possible my sound card is not supported... I ran the alsaconf but says no supported card found, but it worked fine in Mandrake... so I assume debian might not support it |
| 05:35.19 | cat | !Manual |
| 05:35.21 | Sparr_ | obsidian: i dont have nvidia-kernel-source available in sarge |
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| 05:35.28 | Guerin | john: what card, what kernel? |
| 05:35.36 | obsidian | sparr, adjust sources.list |
| 05:35.38 | Phated | john: Say you modprobed the module for your soundcard or something. Please. |
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| 05:35.45 | obsidian | add contrib, non-free |
| 05:35.46 | skyisblue | Sparr_: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 05:35.51 | obsidian | it'sall in the guide |
| 05:36.07 | Sparr_ | skyisblue: stop saying that. |
| 05:36.15 | Sparr_ | obsidian: i must have skipped a chapter then |
| 05:36.22 | Phated | Sparr_: Have you actually done it, though. |
| 05:36.35 | skyisblue | Sparr_: >.< |
| 05:36.38 | Sparr_ | Phated: of course. |
| 05:36.44 | epsilon | Guerin: it's a box does not have any proxy installed (no squid, no wwwoffle...) and I want create there proxy as user which I connect via ssh tunneling |
| 05:36.48 | Phated | Well then, don't see why you're not up and running. |
| 05:36.59 | Sparr_ | Phated: well, because im stuck. |
| 05:37.08 | Sparr_ | right now im upgrading to sid so i can use that guide |
| 05:37.27 | Phated | The page in marillat doesn't need sid... |
| 05:37.32 | Sparr_ | i hate guides that make presumptions, without telling you what those presumptions are |
| 05:37.35 | sanxiyn | epsilon: Do it :-) |
| 05:37.46 | Phated | Sparr_: It. Doesn't. Need. Sid. |
| 05:37.48 | Sparr_ | Phated: i have no idea what you, or skyisblue, are talking about. |
| 05:38.01 | sanxiyn | epsilon: If you don't bind root port (<1024), you don't need root to run HTTP proxy. |
| 05:38.06 | Sparr_ | just saying marillat marillat marillat marillat marillat marillat marillat marillat marillat marillat does not help |
| 05:38.08 | Guerin | epsilon: talk to the admin |
| 05:38.09 | Phated | Sparr_: Why do you need to upgrade to sid, and what are you trying to do in the first place? |
| 05:38.22 | Guerin | Sparr_: does it hurt to be this stupid? |
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| 05:38.34 | Sparr_ | Guerin: fuck you too. |
| 05:38.37 | Guerin | Because it's sure hurting ME. |
| 05:38.39 | skyisblue | Sparr_: vi /etc/apt/sources.list and add the link in marillat. |
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| 05:38.43 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 05:38.45 | sanxiyn | Sparr_: I don't understand. |
| 05:38.53 | Guerin | sanxiyn: that's ok, neither does he. |
| 05:38.57 | Phated | Oh, come on, let's just all forget about him. It's not worth it. He can't follow obvious instructions. |
| 05:39.02 | epsilon | sanxiyn: I know about the port, but how do I proxy' http only with ssh? |
| 05:39.06 | obsidian | ah yes, #debian, the self-abuse channel |
| 05:39.11 | sanxiyn | epsilon: Eh? |
| 05:39.14 | sanxiyn | epsilon: You don't. |
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| 05:39.18 | Sparr_ | skyisblue: ok, thank you. |
| 05:39.23 | Sparr_ | although its moot now |
| 05:39.28 | Sparr_ | im already committed to an upgrade to sid |
| 05:39.44 | Phated | Why? Have you actually dist-upgraded? |
| 05:39.47 | Sparr_ | yes |
| 05:39.52 | Sparr_ | im in the middle of dist-upgrade right now |
| 05:39.58 | Sparr_ | with... 7 minutes to go |
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| 05:40.02 | obsidian | k |
| 05:40.05 | sanxiyn | epsilon: You can do something like "ssh -N -L 8080:yahoo.com:80 <host that can connect to yahoo.com>" and try http://localhost:8080/ on your browser. |
| 05:40.05 | Phated | Ctrl-C, change back your sources.list, apt-get update. |
| 05:40.09 | scarynetworkguy | !k |
| 05:40.09 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 05:40.13 | sanxiyn | epsilon: But that's not HTTP proxy. |
| 05:40.27 | Sparr_ | nah, i wanted to be on sid anyways |
| 05:40.30 | Phated | Then you won't be on sid. |
| 05:40.40 | Sparr_ | wish i had remembered to do it before my big download the first time |
| 05:40.46 | Phated | But we don't want you to be on sid, it'll break and you'll bug us. AGAIN. |
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| 05:41.04 | obsidian | yeah, we're rally friendly here in free software land |
| 05:41.07 | Phated | But if you -must-, install apt-listbugs, please. |
| 05:41.14 | Sparr_ | if someone had just mentioned that i needed to add the unofficial apt sources the first few times... |
| 05:41.30 | Phated | Sparr_: THE PAGE THAT IS REFERRED TO IN THE MARILLAT FACTOID SAYS THAT. |
| 05:41.51 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: Did you read what the bot told you? |
| 05:41.51 | Sparr_ | Phated: it says a lot of things. none of which were apparently applicable to my problem at hand. |
| 05:42.23 | scarynetworkguy | skyisblue: Cool. Goodbye. |
| 05:42.27 | sanxiyn | epsilon: I don't understand "how do I do HTTP proxy only with ssh". ssh doesn't do that AFAIK. |
| 05:42.30 | skyisblue | :P |
| 05:42.33 | obsidian | i feel the love |
| 05:42.35 | Sparr_ | i shall, i think, email the author of that nvidia guide and ask him to mention that his guide requires particular sources |
| 05:42.43 | Sparr_ | despite that being "obvious" |
| 05:42.57 | Sparr_ | i hate getting to the first step of a guide... and it failing. |
| 05:43.06 | scarynetworkguy | sanxiyn: Of course you can tunnel http through SSH it's not really a proxy but depending on what you want to do close enough. |
| 05:43.11 | skyisblue | but i have to go by now. bye scarynetworkguy. later. |
| 05:43.18 | sanxiyn | scarynetworkguy: Ah, I mentioned that already... |
| 05:43.19 | obsidian | i was using the socks proxy in ssh all day today, its ib there |
| 05:43.25 | obsidian | in there |
| 05:43.29 | Guerin | Sparr_: you are the very first person I've seen who is unable to use that howto for that reason |
| 05:43.38 | sanxiyn | scarynetworkguy: ssh -N -L localport:host_to_http:80 host_that_can_connect or etc. |
| 05:43.49 | Sparr_ | Guerin: what did all the other people do when they got "package not found: nvidia-kernel-source"? |
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| 05:43.52 | scarynetworkguy | sanxiyn: right. |
| 05:43.59 | Guerin | Sparr_: lots of people gets stuck on the kernel modules compile, etc, but even the most clueless manage to get that far... |
| 05:44.04 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: They read the factiod and did what it said. |
| 05:44.14 | Guerin | Sparr_: they reas the fucking factoid and the page it links to |
| 05:44.19 | Sparr_ | scarynetworkguy: the factoid says a lot of things. i had no idea which thing you wanted me to do. |
| 05:44.28 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: All of them. |
| 05:44.38 | Sparr_ | i had gotten to the point of browsing the unstable stuff |
| 05:44.38 | obsidian | wow insults, curses, that really gives debian a good name |
| 05:44.43 | Guerin | !breastfeed Sparr_ |
| 05:44.53 | toresbe | obsidian: A) it is not an official channel |
| 05:44.59 | Guerin | toresbe: actually it is |
| 05:45.04 | toresbe | Guerin: No. |
| 05:45.04 | debian | obsidian: :~( |
| 05:45.08 | Sparr_ | which, oddly, did not include nvidia modules |
| 05:45.09 | Guerin | toresbe: #debian on irc.debian.org |
| 05:45.10 | sanxiyn | Oh this is the official channel! Fear! |
| 05:45.12 | Sparr_ | making me even more confused |
| 05:45.16 | Sparr_ | since i couldnt figure out why you sent me there |
| 05:45.28 | debian | toresbe: it's kinda official if you ask me |
| 05:45.30 | toresbe | Guerin: I thought that Debian steadfastly had refused to make an official channel |
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| 05:45.52 | sanxiyn | toresbe: IMO, this is de-facto official channel. |
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| 05:46.03 | toresbe | sanxiyn: It's still not official |
| 05:46.13 | obsidian | proving my point, anyway |
| 05:46.19 | toresbe | sanxiyn: Just because a lot of people use it, that does not make it official |
| 05:46.30 | obsidian | yeah, whatever |
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| 05:46.38 | sanxiyn | toresbe: Why does irc.debian.org redirct to irc.freenode.net? |
| 05:46.45 | Sparr_ | the marillat factoid is only useful to people who already know how to set up apt |
| 05:46.48 | x0563511 | im having a problem with mozilla - when i installed, i chose the wrong sound wrapper. how can i change the setting without harming my profile or installed extentions/plugins? |
| 05:47.06 | x0563511 | basically, mozilla outputs NO sound whatsoever |
| 05:47.12 | sanxiyn | toresbe: By the way, #debian-boot, #debian-bugs, etc. are blessed official channel, aren't they? |
| 05:47.19 | x0563511 | ive got alsa, run KDE and fluxbox interchangably. |
| 05:47.22 | Phated | -Of course, Sparr_, god forbid you actually read. |
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| 05:47.23 | obsidian | sparr, i'm sorry for them |
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| 05:47.34 | toresbe | obsidian: sanxiyn no |
| 05:47.37 | debian | sanxiyn: they're cursed official channels |
| 05:47.37 | toresbe | uh |
| 05:47.42 | toresbe | obsidian: no* |
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| 05:47.47 | sanxiyn | debian: Oh. |
| 05:47.49 | x0563511 | anyone? |
| 05:48.00 | obsidian | u do have to modify default sources.list |
| 05:48.05 | debian | sanxiyn: we're all cursed. forsaken by real life |
| 05:48.20 | Sparr_ | Phated: i read it. and clicked the link that said "For testing (sarge) i386 packages go here", and the one that said "For source go here"... and found nothing nvidia related. |
| 05:48.23 | verny | got a question is there a p2p program like ares on debian if so can i get an apt-get |
| 05:48.31 | obsidian | can copy from link in howto |
| 05:48.44 | x0563511 | verny - look for amule in the standard apt mirrors |
| 05:48.49 | Phated | Hmmm... Could it be... A misdirected factoid. |
| 05:49.08 | x0563511 | verny no KAD support yet, but connects to ed2k network. bittorrent is also in the mirrors |
| 05:49.12 | Sparr_ | i also clicked the link for sid, naively |
| 05:49.16 | toresbe | obsidian: You are attacked by a Debian Grump. Debian Grump is wearing a +5 attitude of Sarcasm. Debian Grump hits you for 587 hitpoints. You Perish. |
| 05:49.23 | verny | x0563511, first day w/linux where is that |
| 05:49.42 | x0563511 | verny: what version you running? sarge or woody |
| 05:49.48 | sanxiyn | toresbe: Impressive. |
| 05:49.52 | Phated | One WONDERS why you didn't just -state- that the marillat factoid was useless to you and -why-. God forbid communicating though, just insult people! |
| 05:49.59 | toresbe | debian: :) |
| 05:50.11 | obsidian | insult? people- |
| 05:50.13 | obsidian | ? |
| 05:50.14 | Guerin | toresbe: you're gonna get the 1911 Deser Eagle o' Clue shoved in your face if you continue that way |
| 05:50.15 | verny | x0563511, hmm haha i sound stupid but where is that |
| 05:50.17 | sanxiyn | Phated: Heh, misdirected factoid, it seems. |
| 05:50.20 | verny | where can i find that out |
| 05:50.34 | verny | my buddy installed this |
| 05:50.34 | toresbe | Guerin: It was joke...? |
| 05:50.39 | Manoj_ | hi folks |
| 05:50.43 | Guerin | toresbe: oh, and mine clearly wasn't. |
| 05:50.44 | toresbe | Manoj_: hey |
| 05:50.45 | obsidian | :P |
| 05:50.48 | debian | toresbe: This terrible calamity has decreased toresbe's INT by 10 |
| 05:50.49 | x0563511 | verny: when you log onto a console, it should say somewhere. try running "aptitude" in a console - that is in sarge. "dselect" for woody. |
| 05:50.53 | Guerin | Manoj_: afternoon |
| 05:50.55 | Phated | sanxiyn: It was. "No, skyisblue, I'm not trying to install mplayer, I'm trying to install nvidia drivers" was too hard for him to say, though. |
| 05:51.06 | Sparr_ | Phated: err, who did i insult?? |
| 05:51.10 | verny | hmm ok |
| 05:51.12 | x0563511 | i mean by using ctrl-alt-F1 console, not a virtual one. |
| 05:51.12 | Manoj_ | Guerin: almost midnight down here ;-) |
| 05:51.31 | x0563511 | can anyone help me with my issue? |
| 05:51.39 | Phated | <Sparr_> Guerin: fuck you too. |
| 05:51.40 | toresbe | debian: It's now negative - yesterday I was hit by COBOL which immediately reduced my INT to 1 |
| 05:51.41 | sanxiyn | Sparr_: Yes, you're correct. Marillat has nothing to do with nVidia. nvidia-kernel-source is in the official Debian repository. |
| 05:51.46 | debian | !give up Sparr_ |
| 05:51.47 | dpkg | Sparr_, you're impossible to help. You do things and don't inform your helper that you did. You don't do things you were told to. *shrugs* We've every justification to throw Sparr_ hands up in exasperation. |
| 05:51.47 | Phated | Not an insult? OK. |
| 05:51.48 | Guerin | Manoj_: heh, I'm just about to make lunch |
| 05:51.48 | Manoj_ | Phated: well, users are persnickety that way. can't let 'em get to ya |
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| 05:51.58 | Cad | cobol does negative int damage |
| 05:52.02 | Cad | no saving throws |
| 05:52.05 | Guerin | Sparr_: just stop whining and take the help you've been given. |
| 05:52.07 | Guerin | please. |
| 05:52.16 | x0563511 | anyone? Please help me out here. |
| 05:52.18 | Sparr_ | Phated: i consider that a perfectly acceptable response to 2339 <Guerin> Sparr_: does it hurt to be this stupid? |
| 05:52.26 | toresbe | Cad: Wasn't it Dijkstra that said that COBOL causes brain damage? :) |
| 05:52.28 | Manoj_ | x0563511: what's the question again? |
| 05:52.30 | obsidian | wow u were a dick to him, then got a respnse, now u blame. feels like the orielly factor |
| 05:52.32 | Sparr_ | Phated: and not an insult, unlike what he said. |
| 05:52.33 | x0563511 | installing the mozilla package runs a script, you select your audio wrapper. i chose auto, it doesnt work |
| 05:52.36 | Guerin | Sparr_: do you complain this much whenever you're unable to do something? Do you always blame other people? |
| 05:52.42 | sanxiyn | Sparr_: Add non-free to your sources.list and install nvidia-kernel-source and continue... |
| 05:52.51 | Sparr_ | sanxiyn: then you understand why i had no idea what they wanted me to do? |
| 05:52.53 | x0563511 | how can i get it to work with KDE/fluxbox? i have alsa installed (2.6 kernel) |
| 05:52.55 | Cad | cobol jacked up my head when i had to take those classes in college...biggest.waste.of.time.ever |
| 05:52.56 | Sparr_ | thank you sanxion |
| 05:53.01 | obsidian | he ask for help and the crowd mocks him. |
| 05:53.02 | debian | Sparr_: I were just kidding. I'd highly recommend you to stop fighting and follow what is suggested |
| 05:53.08 | toresbe | Cad: COBOL is fun |
| 05:53.11 | sanxiyn | Specifically, this thing: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-source |
| 05:53.13 | Cad | ROOFLE |
| 05:53.14 | x0563511 | so, i have no sound in mozilla. |
| 05:53.16 | Sparr_ | debian: which one did you suggest? i missed it |
| 05:53.22 | toresbe | Cad: In a useless, staring-at-your-navel sort of way ;) |
| 05:53.23 | Guerin | x0563511: make sure aRTS isn't running and choose oss ; make sure you have snd-pcm-oss loaded |
| 05:53.24 | debian | Sparr_: while it might make you feel good being gangbanded. :) |
| 05:53.27 | Phated | obsidian: He was given a misdirected factoid. He didn't state that the factoid had been misdirected. |
| 05:53.30 | scarynetworkguy | obsidian: No he was helped and did not do what he was told to. That is grounds for a larting. |
| 05:53.32 | sanxiyn | !tell Sparr_ about nvidia |
| 05:53.34 | Phated | *shrugs* HE was an idiot. |
| 05:53.40 | debian | Sparr_: THEIR suggestions, not mine. I'm here for fight-watching |
| 05:53.46 | Guerin | x0563511: I'll not get into the myriad reasons why a web browser shouldn't make sounds. |
| 05:53.48 | mwilson | Guerin: What's this? Another one who can't do what he's told? |
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| 05:53.50 | Cad | you can tell cobol was written by a woman due to how wordy it is, and you can tell that a guy wrote C |
| 05:53.50 | Manoj_ | Sparr_: mind you, the very latest nvidia installer packages in debian (the ones you compile a new kernel with) read edid, and did the wrong thing for my laptop |
| 05:53.51 | x0563511 | Guerin: i do have that installed. so, choose OSS? how can i change the option i selected without damaging my extentions, plugins ect? |
| 05:53.51 | toresbe | Cad: Hell, I'm running a MVS system on my server :) |
| 05:53.56 | Guerin | mwilson: amazing, innit. |
| 05:54.05 | Manoj_ | x0563511: do you have a working sound outside of mozilla? |
| 05:54.10 | obsidian | he was chat-whacked |
| 05:54.11 | Guerin | x0563511: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow mozilla |
| 05:54.13 | Sparr_ | Phated: how the hell am i supposed to know the factoid was misdirected? im the one asking questions, i dont know what help i need. if i knew then i wouldnt ask. all i could do was try to figure out what marillat had to do with my problem. |
| 05:54.21 | x0563511 | Manoj_: yes |
| 05:54.23 | obsidian | exactly |
| 05:54.24 | x0563511 | Guerin: trying now |
| 05:54.25 | toresbe | I'm really putting too much thought into rearranging my room, I think.... |
| 05:54.31 | atrus | gnome-volume-manager/hal question: my usb flash device (SD card in camera in particular) doesn't get auto-mounted & opened unless it's partitioned. it only works in the camera if it's not partitioned. hal-device-manager says storage.no_partitions_hint=0 and block.no_partitions=0. is there a way to get this device working properly? |
| 05:54.42 | Phated | marillat had NOTHING to do with it. You didn't just SAY that you didn't undertstand and/or that it was irrelevant. |
| 05:54.42 | Manoj_ | Sparr_: I had to revert to the older nvidia drivers to get full resolution for my laptop |
| 05:54.44 | Guerin | x0563511: I'm not familiar with the specific package, so I don't know the details; but if it works like any other sane ap, that should be the way. |
| 05:55.00 | toresbe | I've done computer visualizations, et cetera ad infinitum |
| 05:55.03 | x0563511 | i need sound, because im taking a flash course and i want my work to be multi-platform |
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| 05:55.10 | Guerin | ah yeah |
| 05:55.10 | Sparr_ | 2338 <Sparr_> Phated: i have no idea what you, or skyisblue, are talking about. |
| 05:55.11 | Manoj_ | atrus: you can manually mount an unpartitioned card |
| 05:55.14 | toresbe | I've made a struct for furniture :D |
| 05:55.14 | obsidian | phated , u could just apologize, he didnt deserve the attitude |
| 05:55.15 | Guerin | flash is the usual culprit |
| 05:55.25 | Phated | obsidian: No, not really. Bug out. |
| 05:55.29 | Manoj_ | atrus: mount /dev/sda /mnt, or the like |
| 05:55.29 | mwilson | Guerin: It's too much to ask that they actually follow the spoon-feeding they beg for. |
| 05:55.32 | x0563511 | Guerin: substitute Mozilla for the package name? |
| 05:55.37 | Sparr_ | i think i was very clear on my complete inability to make any connection between marillat and nvidia |
| 05:55.38 | obsidian | dont know why this channel is so mean |
| 05:55.40 | jjazz | I would like my konqueror browser to display japanese syllables (hiragana and katakana) and kanji. Right now they just show up as blank little boxes. Anybody know how to fix this? Google doesn't turn up much except other people with the problem. |
| 05:55.42 | Phated | Sparr_: Insert "I'm trying to install nvidia drivers" was too hard, wasn't it. |
| 05:55.49 | Guerin | x0563511: eh? |
| 05:55.52 | Sparr_ | mwilson: wtf? they kept feeding me the WRONG directions |
| 05:56.00 | Cad | (jjazz): asian fonts maybe |
| 05:56.05 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: Odd in my logs you never said nvidia. We can't read minds you know. |
| 05:56.08 | Guerin | jjazz: apt-get install xfonts-base-asian # or similar |
| 05:56.15 | Phated | He -probably- did. |
| 05:56.15 | Sparr_ | Phated: like, maybe... |
| 05:56.15 | Sparr_ | 2329 <Sparr_> can anyone recommend a guide for installing the nvidia drivers? the installer is suggesting i have the wrong kernel sources (i have kernel-source-2.4.27 and kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 installed, for kernel 2.4.27-1-386) |
| 05:56.16 | toresbe | jjazz: Hold on, I have some docs for you :) |
| 05:56.17 | x0563511 | Guerin: had to use mozilla-browser instead of plain mozilla. script is running. Thanks! |
| 05:56.20 | obsidian | ur logs wrong too? |
| 05:56.21 | jjazz | Cad: I installed xfonts-intl-japanes |
| 05:56.24 | Guerin | x0563511: oh, ok. |
| 05:56.25 | obsidian | he aaid it |
| 05:56.30 | Sparr_ | something along those lines? |
| 05:56.33 | jjazz | toresbe: Yes, docs are what I want. :) thanks |
| 05:56.35 | atrus | Manoj_: yeah i know. but being a usb device, it constantly gets assigned different scsi device numbers. that's why i'm hoping hal & gnome-volume-manager can just automatically take care of it. |
| 05:56.36 | Guerin | Sparr_: stop |
| 05:56.40 | Phated | Sparr_: Like, AFTER you were misdirected, because BY THEN, we had lost track of WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO. |
| 05:56.41 | Guerin | jesus |
| 05:56.46 | x0563511 | i can choose artsdsp, esddsp, none, or auto. auto doesnt work. KDE uses arts, right? |
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| 05:57.03 | obsidian | now we ask him to "stop" |
| 05:57.06 | Guerin | 10 times the amount of text has been wasted on arguing about this shit between Sparr_ and marillat's repo than actually solving it |
| 05:57.06 | Phated | Granted, it was a mistake on skyisblue's part to direct you to marillat. |
| 05:57.06 | obsidian | lol |
| 05:57.14 | Guerin | just fucking drop it, for the love of the gods |
| 05:57.23 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Sparr_ about smart questions |
| 05:57.28 | Sparr_ | Phated: let me explain this one more time. i dont know how to do what im trying to do. that means i dont know when ive been misdirected. |
| 05:57.30 | obsidian | oh nice |
| 05:57.41 | Phated | Sparr_: Oh, you don't know what you're doing. All right. |
| 05:57.44 | Phated | We forgive you. |
| 05:57.44 | Sparr_ | until YOU told me marillat was the wrong link i was still trying to use it to solve my problem |
| 05:57.59 | Cad | (Sparr_): welcome to the first time using linux...we've all been there, just take a breath |
| 05:58.03 | Sparr_ | if i knew the answer to my question, i wouldnt ask it. |
| 05:58.07 | Phated | Because, FFS, that was ONLY AFTER YOU SAID AGAIN that you were TRYING TO INSTALL NVIDIA. |
| 05:58.23 | toresbe | jjazz: http://dspnet.fr.eu.org/~lonewolf/LinuxJapan/Howto_English_Japanese.html should be of help? |
| 05:58.27 | debian | Sparr_: you must be an american. I said don't argue over principle would you, just focus on the problem. |
| 05:58.34 | obsidian | someone change the topic: "troll v. newb bloodsport" |
| 05:58.40 | Guerin | x0563511: yes, KDE uses arts, but flux doesn't. Sanest way is to disable arts altogether, and use your cards' hardware mixing in slas, if it has any, or dmix. |
| 05:58.41 | x0563511 | lol |
| 05:58.42 | Sparr_ | ive said "nvidia" at least every 7 minutes for the past half hour. |
| 05:58.51 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: Go read about how to ask a smart question and then come back. You'll do better and we won't have to lart the hell out of you. |
| 05:58.57 | Sparr_ | debian: im waiting for sid to dist-upgrade |
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| 05:58.59 | jjazz | toresbe: Checking it now. Thanks much. |
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| 05:59.04 | Guerin | x0563511: s/slas/alsa/ |
| 05:59.08 | obsidian | sparr, they troll u now, dont even respond |
| 05:59.11 | toresbe | jjazz: ...btw, I got that off Google, remember that for the future :) |
| 05:59.18 | Sparr_ | obsidian: i know, nothing better to do while i wait. |
| 05:59.36 | x0563511 | Guerin: but, im a linux newb. i dont think i can handle that yet. I can live with no audio in flux (other applications can use sound in flux already, though) |
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| 05:59.48 | Guerin | x0563511: ok, choose artsdsp then |
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| 05:59.51 | sanxiyn | Sparr_: Read Debian nVidia howto on the link I gave you while waiting :-) |
| 05:59.59 | toresbe | jjazz: There are other pages there too, I googled for "debian japanese howto" and it was on the second page, with many friends. I am not your frontend to Google. Ganbatte! :) |
| 06:00.12 | Guerin | x0563511: you may or may not have to do other things to make arts work - I don't know it. |
| 06:00.13 | Sparr_ | sanxiyn: already did. twice. thats where i started, i got stuck when i couldnt do the first step, thats how all this started. |
| 06:00.16 | cat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.17 | x0563511 | Guerin: ok, mozilla sound is working but is 'laggy' - set arts to realtime? |
| 06:00.18 | sanxiyn | Sparr_: Yes, there was some confusion and misdirection and unfortunate things. Let's forgot that. |
| 06:00.37 | jjazz | toresbe: I googled lots of stuff, but didn't think to use howto. |
| 06:00.38 | Guerin | x0563511: yeah. Bear in mind that flash in mozilla is dog-slow. |
| 06:00.50 | Sparr_ | apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 06:00.56 | Sparr_ | that didnt work, since i didnt have the right sources |
| 06:00.56 | obsidian | u gotta dl a new sources.list from the guide |
| 06:01.06 | x0563511 | Guerin: yea, i know. |
| 06:01.07 | Sparr_ | but the first person to try to help told me to upgrade to sid, which i committed to |
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| 06:01.09 | Sparr_ | so now i have to wait |
| 06:01.13 | obsidian | there's a link |
| 06:01.24 | toresbe | jjazz: Okay, forgiven ;) |
| 06:01.27 | Guerin | Sparr_: who was that? |
| 06:01.34 | verNy29 | how do i reconfigure x so that i have a higher resolution |
| 06:01.41 | toresbe | jjazz:But "howto" is a very good search term for the future :) |
| 06:01.41 | Sparr_ | Guerin: someone less helpful than a few people in here. but more helpful than most, it seems. |
| 06:01.42 | x0563511 | Crap. mozilla just locked and crashed |
| 06:01.45 | Guerin | !sing bob2 |
| 06:01.46 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 06:01.52 | Guerin | verNy29: ^^^ |
| 06:01.59 | verNy29 | haha |
| 06:02.02 | toresbe | x0563511: "crap, a cow just said moo" :) |
| 06:02.14 | verNy29 | im new to linux where do i do that at? |
| 06:02.18 | Guerin | x0563511: yeah. It's fragile. |
| 06:02.19 | Sparr_ | obsidian: i see that now. AFTER the spot i got stuck :-p |
| 06:02.25 | verNy29 | in the terminal |
| 06:02.26 | Guerin | verNy29: type it into a root console |
| 06:02.26 | mwilson | Why would you need to upgrade to Sid? |
| 06:02.26 | jjazz | toresbe: I will use it more often. :) |
| 06:02.29 | verNy29 | ok |
| 06:02.31 | Phated | verNy29: As root, in an xterm or the command-line. |
| 06:02.46 | toresbe | jjazz: Actually, I think I should install that stuff meself.' |
| 06:02.52 | Adrian | olaris8 |
| 06:02.54 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Because, according to him, someone said him to do that. |
| 06:02.54 | loke | if i saved a .swf file from the web, can i alter it? |
| 06:03.05 | obsidian | loke, no |
| 06:03.05 | Sparr_ | mwilson: well, i wanted to upgrade to sid anyways. i forgot to do it before my initial huge apt-get, im glad i got it done this early at least |
| 06:03.08 | sanxiyn | loke: Alter? Of course you can. Edit with vi. |
| 06:03.09 | Guerin | loke: I dunno, can you? |
| 06:03.16 | x0563511 | oooh! latency! gota love that 1/2 sound latency. |
| 06:03.22 | Phated | Incidentally, mwilson, which icons do you use for idesk? Looks nicer than mine. :) |
| 06:03.32 | loke | obsidian you cant? |
| 06:03.35 | RememberPOL | 744 people in this channel..... Massive |
| 06:03.35 | sanxiyn | loke: More practically, you can disassemble .swf. |
| 06:03.45 | obsidian | no, swf compiled from fla file |
| 06:03.46 | verNy29 | one last dumb qquestion where is the root terminal |
| 06:03.47 | Sparr_ | id like to reiterate that gnome on 640x480x16c looks not cool |
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| 06:03.49 | mwilson | Phated: A BeOS set I got from somewhere... I disremember where. |
| 06:03.50 | Guerin | x0563511: try using auto in fluxbox; it might be arts that's slowing it down |
| 06:03.54 | mwilson | Phated: Hang on... |
| 06:03.59 | Sparr_ | it dithers like picasso on acid. |
| 06:03.59 | toresbe | mwilson: url for screenie? |
| 06:04.00 | Phated | mwilson: Ah, thanks. :) |
| 06:04.01 | Guerin | x0563511: what soundcard, btw? |
| 06:04.06 | obsidian | decompile not really feasible |
| 06:04.07 | loke | sanxiyn how do i disassemble it? |
| 06:04.12 | x0563511 | Guerin: auto doesnt work in either. SB Live (emu10k1) |
| 06:04.12 | toresbe | Sparr_: Hehe :) |
| 06:04.17 | RememberPOL | verNy29: type "su" at any terminal and enter the Super User (root) password |
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| 06:04.30 | sanxiyn | loke: With tools. Hm. Google it :-) |
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| 06:04.37 | toresbe | Sparr_: Well, you don't deserve this, but... |
| 06:04.41 | Sparr_ | this is the first time ive been unable to use the official nvidia installer |
| 06:04.44 | Sparr_ | very odd |
| 06:04.50 | sanxiyn | loke: I think at least you can extract mp3 from swf if swf includes that. |
| 06:04.51 | Sparr_ | wonder what has changed with the kernel source packages |
| 06:04.52 | verNy29 | RememberPOL, thnx |
| 06:04.54 | Guerin | x0563511: ok. With that card, you shouldn't need to use arts - just disable it and use auto for everything |
| 06:04.55 | mwilson | hm... |
| 06:04.58 | infinity105 | jeez. Alias sucks now. debian still rulez :) |
| 06:05.00 | mwilson | which one of these is it... |
| 06:05.01 | loke | sanxiyn obsidian thank you |
| 06:05.01 | RememberPOL | Sparr_: on 2.6x ? |
| 06:05.04 | obsidian | sparr. debian way is better anyway |
| 06:05.13 | Sparr_ | RememberPOL: 2.4.x |
| 06:05.13 | Phated | mwilson: tarball, tarball! :) |
| 06:05.17 | obsidian | np |
| 06:05.19 | Guerin | x0563511: arts is just to mix sound streams in software - that card can do it in hardware under alsa, I believe |
| 06:05.25 | x0563511 | Guerin: if i disable arts KDE wont make any noise anymore, right? |
| 06:05.26 | loke | sanxiyn obsidian i just really only want to change the text in the .swf file |
| 06:05.46 | Guerin | x0563511: no, should still work. |
| 06:05.47 | covux | x0563511: i recommend to use alsa dmix plugin and start mozilla with "aoss mozilla". so u have the pleasure of sound stream mixing and no latency |
| 06:05.48 | toresbe | Sparr_: you need the apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 06:05.50 | sanxiyn | loke: .swf(Flash) is something "compiled". So you need to "decompile" it somehow. |
| 06:05.50 | obsidian | lloke, maybe w hex editor?a |
| 06:05.52 | mwilson | Ah, it's this one. |
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| 06:05.54 | mwilson | You want? |
| 06:05.59 | Phated | Yes please. |
| 06:06.02 | toresbe | Sparr_: given that, the official installer will work |
| 06:06.07 | obsidian | never tried |
| 06:06.10 | loke | sanxiyn http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&q=disassemble+.swf+file&spell=1 |
| 06:06.10 | sanxiyn | loke: For example, you can't alter text in Zip file, if you have no unzip, can you? |
| 06:06.11 | x0563511 | covux: could you walk me through that? |
| 06:06.15 | Guerin | covux: will he need dmix with a sblive? I thought they did all that in hardware? |
| 06:06.24 | Guerin | direthex would know |
| 06:06.26 | toresbe | Sparr_: You're not supposed to use it, but it works for me - Debian does have a better way of doing it but i CBA to do it :) |
| 06:06.28 | Phated | mwilson: Thank ye kindly. |
| 06:06.32 | sanxiyn | loke: If "disassemble" fail, try "decompile". |
| 06:06.33 | mwilson | NP |
| 06:06.36 | x0563511 | wait... you mean i have to launch mozilla with another app? |
| 06:06.38 | x0563511 | no, thanks |
| 06:06.47 | x0563511 | Guerin: how do i disable arts? |
| 06:06.52 | Guerin | x0563511: kcontrol |
| 06:07.13 | RememberPOL | or maybe "kill artsd" |
| 06:07.14 | x0563511 | uncheck "enable the sound system"? |
| 06:07.15 | loke | sanxiyn good ideer |
| 06:07.20 | Sparr_ | toresbe: aha, build-essential, i didnt have that.... but it still fails, tells me nvidia.o wont load probably because im using the wrong kernel source files |
| 06:07.47 | mwilson | Apparently it's incredibly difficult to actually read the instructions. |
| 06:07.48 | sanxiyn | loke: Hm, I vaguely remember that I've used Sothink SWF Decompiler, but it seems to be win32 program. |
| 06:07.50 | Phated | Install the headers... |
| 06:07.51 | sanxiyn | loke: Good luck. |
| 06:08.05 | toresbe | Sparr_: Do you have the kernel headers? |
| 06:08.10 | covux | Guerin: u right. sblive has hardwaremixing.. so arts isnt needed |
| 06:08.11 | loke | sanixy http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/WEB-Design/Flash/Sothink-SWF-Decompiler-MX.shtml |
| 06:08.22 | obsidian | never got a really good decompile from any swf |
| 06:08.25 | Phated | Use the Headers, Luke... |
| 06:08.31 | Guerin | covux: and nor is dmix... |
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| 06:08.37 | mwilson | Use the Instructions, Luke. |
| 06:08.39 | loke | sanxiyn this one looks the free-est http://www.19.5degs.com/swfextractor.php |
| 06:08.40 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 06:08.45 | x0563511 | Guerin: i unchecked it, applied, and kde still makes noises. Thanks! |
| 06:08.46 | covux | Guerin: aight |
| 06:08.55 | loke | sanxiyn obsidian thank you |
| 06:09.01 | Sparr_ | module-assistant auto-install nvidia |
| 06:09.08 | obsidian | yep |
| 06:09.08 | sanxiyn | loke: Oh, that looks nice. |
| 06:09.13 | x0563511 | Now for a bit of a different issue: |
| 06:09.14 | Sparr_ | warning, /usr/src/linux seems to contain unconfigured kernel source!1 |
| 06:09.20 | Sparr_ | (yes, the !1 is a direct quote) |
| 06:09.23 | obsidian | mmm |
| 06:09.34 | x0563511 | my mic can play over my speakers if i unmute it with alsamixer... but i cannot record from it? i cant figure it out. |
| 06:09.35 | Phated | You have to love the people writing error messages. |
| 06:09.36 | obsidian | u mess around in thereza |
| 06:09.39 | Sparr_ | /usr/src/linux is a link to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 06:09.41 | obsidian | ? |
| 06:09.59 | mwilson | Hm... nvidia-kernel-source's documentation doesn't mention module-assistant anywhere. How unusual. |
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| 06:10.19 | obsidian | not really |
| 06:10.26 | Sparr_ | mwilson: do you suggest i try that way? nothing helps like yet another conflicting method :) |
| 06:10.32 | mwilson | obsidian: That's called sarcasm. |
| 06:10.40 | obsidian | i kno |
| 06:10.53 | Guerin | x0563511: make sure you choose the mic channel to record from |
| 06:10.56 | x0563511 | Guerin: i set mozilla to use no wrapper... no sound. will auto choose anything else other than esd or arts? |
| 06:11.01 | mwilson | Sparr_: No, I realize that someone as special as you actually reading the instructions isn't ever going to happen. |
| 06:11.02 | obsidian | but really u dont need mod asst to use nv-k-s |
| 06:11.23 | Guerin | x0563511: it should just use OSS, I guess. I'd consider it broken if it didn't. |
| 06:11.29 | Sparr_ | mwilson: yeah, not like three different people have all pointed me to the SAME howto. i hate to say it, but the method someone is willing to help with tends to be the best method to pick. |
| 06:11.30 | x0563511 | Guerin: i do, but krec wont pick anything up. recording worked fine in windwoes (windows), so its not the card |
| 06:11.50 | bighead | hi if I deleted some package's file, how can I check? |
| 06:12.11 | mwilson | Sparr_: Funny, I have yet to point you towards any HOWTO whatsoever, and have instead tried repeatedly get you to actually read the instructions that come with the bloody package. |
| 06:12.14 | Sparr_ | mwilson: if you have actually used the method in the nvidia-kernel-source documentation, and it worked, then ill try that way, since the people who suggested the howto have disappeared. otherwise ill at least make an attempt to continue following the directions ive gotten so far. |
| 06:12.19 | obsidian | dunno, sparr, i didn't have trouble with unconfigured kernel src |
| 06:12.27 | obsidian | not sure what that is |
| 06:12.33 | Sparr_ | obsidian: me either :( |
| 06:12.38 | Phated | Sparr_: Link it to kernel-headers instead? You should have /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.27. And then try again. That -might- help. Might. |
| 06:12.45 | Sparr_ | obsidian: i hate it when guides make undisclosed presumptions |
| 06:12.47 | obsidian | good idea |
| 06:13.01 | BlackJudas | mwilson, bloody package? Sounds very messy. |
| 06:13.06 | x0563511 | Guerin: auto doesnt work either... |
| 06:13.11 | Sparr_ | Phated: that got rid of the warning |
| 06:13.13 | obsidian | i think maybe ur system a little off to have that prob, tho |
| 06:13.20 | sanxiyn | Hm, what happened to openswf.org? Bad... |
| 06:13.29 | mwilson | Sparr_: So, you have nothing to base NOT following the perfectly clear instructions on, other than that you see no reason TO follow them? |
| 06:13.32 | Phated | Woohoo, I fix0red it. |
| 06:13.37 | Sparr_ | mwilson: unless i overlooked it in the scroll, that was the first time youve mentioned the nvidia-kernel-source documentation (which i do not know how to find, btw) |
| 06:13.40 | sanxiyn | Okay I guess Flash extracting/decompiling/disassembling is off-topic here... |
| 06:13.43 | Phated | Sorry, couldn't resist. |
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| 06:14.03 | BlackJudas | sanxiyn, :o can that be done? Sounds... "underhanded" |
| 06:14.06 | obsidian | sparr, every doc goes in /usr/share/doc |
| 06:14.08 | Sparr_ | mwilson: i dont even HAVE nvidia-kernel-source (yet), but if i did i wouldnt know how to find its documentation |
| 06:14.11 | sanxiyn | BlackJudas: ? |
| 06:14.15 | mwilson | Broke my own rule... never help people with X. |
| 06:14.21 | Sparr_ | obsidian: somewhere :) |
| 06:14.25 | obsidian | that's a good one to know |
| 06:14.31 | Sparr_ | mwilson: who says its for X? :) |
| 06:14.33 | Phated | Sparr_: All docs are somewhere in /usr/share/doc/foo. |
| 06:14.34 | BlackJudas | sanxiyn, eh? |
| 06:14.35 | sanxiyn | BlackJudas: Of course Flash can be extracted, decompiled, disassembled. Why not? |
| 06:14.39 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: It's in the same place all the rest of your docs are. |
| 06:14.45 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Sparr_ about faq |
| 06:14.46 | obsidian | sparr, in dirs names after package |
| 06:14.47 | Phated | BlackJudas: See the bit about kernel-headers. And whee. |
| 06:14.58 | BlackJudas | sanxiyn, I had no idea, but I've never played with flash, so that's impressive ;) |
| 06:15.03 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: Look under the multimedia section on that faq. |
| 06:15.07 | BlackJudas | Phated, mmmkay. |
| 06:15.11 | Sparr_ | obsidian: yeah, but figuring out the package name is usually more trouble than just googling for the docs |
| 06:15.23 | obsidian | sometimes |
| 06:15.27 | obsidian | depends |
| 06:15.35 | mwilson | I think he actually believes that. |
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| 06:15.54 | obsidian | now now, he's learning |
| 06:15.55 | Sparr_ | obsidian: btw, on the 'debian way' guide... depmod: *** unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/.../nvidia/nvidia.o |
| 06:15.55 | Phated | Sparr_: No, they're always in the same places... And you should know the name of packages you installed. |
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| 06:16.22 | sanxiyn | Phated: Well, you know it's not always that simple. |
| 06:16.28 | obsidian | sparr, u just got that err? |
| 06:16.29 | BlackJudas | ... not the right kind of ... package. |
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| 06:16.38 | Phated | sanxiyn: Actually, they mostly are. |
| 06:16.41 | Sparr_ | Phated: ive got something like a thousand packages installed, some supplying as many as a hundred binaries/commands. working backwards from the name of a binary to the name of a package proves non-trivial more often than not (considering only the situations where finding the original documentation is neccessary) |
| 06:16.46 | Spark | with aptitude, etc, theres no excuse not to know what packages you have installed and how they interact |
| 06:16.59 | Sparr_ | obsidian: yeah, at the end of module-assistant, after it gets packages and tries to install nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386 |
| 06:17.06 | mwilson | Sparr_: How is reversing to the name of the package anything but trivial? |
| 06:17.09 | BlackJudas | sanxiyn, as long as back-orifice is installed you're golden. |
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| 06:17.10 | obsidian | sparr, u can find the package for any file with dpkg -S |
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| 06:17.19 | Sparr_ | mwilson: what package contains, for random example, ls? |
| 06:17.20 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: Have you ever even looked at /usr/share/doc/ ? |
| 06:17.23 | guestish | the usual crowd...nothing ever changes on irc |
| 06:17.24 | Phated | Sparr_: Again, if it's something you need docs on, such as, say... nvidia-kernel-source... it will be in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source. |
| 06:17.35 | mwilson | coreutils |
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| 06:17.46 | obsidian | sparr, u system in trouble i think, to get that |
| 06:17.52 | obsidian | 1 last idea |
| 06:17.59 | Sparr_ | Phated: i didnt have nvidia-kernel-source yet |
| 06:17.59 | obsidian | reboot and try again |
| 06:18.01 | mwilson | Anything else you want to know? |
| 06:18.01 | sanxiyn | Sparr_: Actually, if you know one binary from package, you can do "dpkg --search <filename>" to figure out from which package it comes. |
| 06:18.10 | Phated | Sparr_: Well, yes, but when you do need something like that. |
| 06:18.21 | Sparr_ | sanxiyn: thanks. always nicer to have someone provide instruction instead of saying "you should already know how to do that" |
| 06:18.23 | neenee | morning |
| 06:18.37 | Sparr_ | Phated: well, mwilson seems to think i needed those docs. docs i didnt have yet. |
| 06:18.41 | sanxiyn | Sparr_: Well, but these stuffs are called "fundamentals" near here... |
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| 06:19.04 | Sparr_ | sanxiyn: fundamentals you have to learn somewhere. that particular one wasnt covered in any of the (admittedly, short) guides i started with |
| 06:19.05 | obsidian | there are some good debian guides |
| 06:19.07 | Phated | Sparr_: *shrugs* No one's stopping you installing them, no? And you can always google. |
| 06:19.14 | obsidian | big picture stuff |
| 06:19.18 | john | /usr/bin/alsamixer - why can't I run that I wonder |
| 06:19.22 | Phated | Sparr_: /msg dpkg fundamentals :) |
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| 06:19.34 | obsidian | think u want to start at the begin |
| 06:19.45 | neenee | ning |
| 06:19.47 | neenee | :) |
| 06:20.00 | obsidian | :) |
| 06:20.30 | iceman | the bot says to read "Debian Reference", I wonder how many people have actually done that.. |
| 06:20.43 | obsidian | i did |
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| 06:20.47 | guestish | john: do you have alsa? |
| 06:20.48 | Guerin | i have |
| 06:20.50 | obsidian | on the toilet |
| 06:20.51 | dimgr_ | hello |
| 06:20.52 | Guerin | it's boring as sin |
| 06:20.54 | neenee | hi dimgr_ |
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| 06:21.08 | Guerin | but in reality, mosst people wouldn't need to read the whole thing |
| 06:21.10 | Sparr_ | when im building the nvidia kernel package according to its docs, does it matter where i build it? |
| 06:21.19 | Sparr_ | it just refers to <YOUR BUILD LOCATION> |
| 06:21.25 | Manoj_ | Sparr_: should not |
| 06:21.28 | obsidian | ohboy, spar |
| 06:21.30 | Shadur | Sparr_: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 06:21.34 | obsidian | use mod-assist |
| 06:21.35 | Sparr_ | Shadur: did that |
| 06:21.35 | Guerin | Sparr_: ~/src/ or /usr/src/ is traditional |
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| 06:21.43 | narker | I've got a lot of workstations and one server, I want to have a central place (the server) which stores all the login information, so I'm going to use LDAP and PAM. But.. is there someway to, for example, if I run 'apt-get install gcc' on the server, it applies to all the workstations? I don't want to install the same package on every workstation |
| 06:21.46 | obsidian | dont go by hand |
| 06:21.58 | Sparr_ | obsidian: it failed (in the same way the nvidia installer failed). every way ive tried has gotten to the point of loading the module, then telling me the module doesnt match my kernel |
| 06:22.00 | obsidian | u got a prob, reboot |
| 06:22.11 | obsidian | then try again |
| 06:22.14 | Sparr_ | reboot... thought i left that step in #windows :) |
| 06:22.16 | Guerin | narker: you want apt-cacher or apt-proxy, or squid with http caching |
| 06:22.20 | Shadur | Sparr_: untar the tarball, then use make-kpkg modules after you've built your kernel |
| 06:22.24 | obsidian | my guess, u upgrade kernel |
| 06:22.27 | mwilson | Why would you need to reboot? |
| 06:22.41 | obsidian | thats what we reboot for, over here |
| 06:22.48 | Sparr_ | Shadur: its a stock kernel |
| 06:22.50 | narker | Guerin so can I choice between apt-cacher, apt-proxy, and squid ? |
| 06:23.00 | obsidian | yeah, rebootl |
| 06:23.02 | Sparr_ | i havent upgraded the kernel |
| 06:23.08 | Sparr_ | although i probably will at some point in the future |
| 06:23.10 | Shadur | Sparr_: then you should be able to install nvidia-kernel-<kernel version> via apt |
| 06:23.32 | Sparr_ | Shadur: i agree completely. a solution without the word "should" in it would prove most helpful. |
| 06:23.32 | obsidian | u just dist upgrade, prolly got kernel in there somwhere |
| 06:23.40 | Sparr_ | obsidian: plausible. |
| 06:23.40 | obsidian | just try it! |
| 06:23.43 | Sparr_ | guess ill reboot |
| 06:23.57 | neenee | hm.. if i install lib6-i686 - will it be used automagically? i use a 2.6 kernel. |
| 06:24.01 | narker | Guerin : what if it's not just apt-get, but it's a file I edit on the server, and I want to it applies to all the workstations |
| 06:24.05 | Sparr_ | "should" is my pet peeve |
| 06:24.06 | Guerin | narker: yeah. They do subtly different things. The squid route will also provide proxy/cache services for other things and web traffic as well, so that might be the industrial-strength option. |
| 06:24.13 | mwilson | What is rebooting supposed to do? |
| 06:24.16 | Shadur | Sparr_: apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 06:24.21 | Sparr_ | any time you say something "should" work, i agree with you. you can safely assume that. |
| 06:24.25 | Guerin | narker: oh, now we're talking about real-time replication |
| 06:24.28 | Sparr_ | now, since we agree it should work... lets make it work. |
| 06:24.29 | _rene_ | neenee: yes |
| 06:24.33 | obsidian | make scripts happy |
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| 06:24.37 | narker | Guerin : exactly |
| 06:24.43 | Guerin | narker: the sane way would be to store all those files on a central server with version control |
| 06:24.43 | obsidian | scripts assume build for live kernel |
| 06:24.48 | toresbe | argh, how do you ask someone "how are you" in Hebrew again... |
| 06:24.49 | _rene_ | neenee: it won't with a 2.4 kernel, though. not at all |
| 06:24.54 | neenee | _rene_: do i have to reboot to have it used? or recompile my kernel? |
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| 06:25.18 | neenee | and should i remove the other non-i686 version? |
| 06:25.21 | john | Wow |
| 06:25.27 | narker | Guerin : but, I have free disk enough on every workstation, why would I want to store all files on only one place |
| 06:25.38 | Sparr_ | i love seeing insmod errors on reboot... now i gotta go read my boot log |
| 06:25.41 | john | this sound problem is horrible.. i'm pretty new to debian especially (not to mention linux itself) so this is kind of a problem lol |
| 06:25.56 | Guerin | narker: because keeping all the files in sync is a nightmare |
| 06:26.02 | _rene_ | neenee: afais it should be automatically be used for the next programs you start |
| 06:26.03 | narker | ok |
| 06:26.14 | neenee | _rene_: okidoki. thanks :) |
| 06:26.23 | Guerin | narker: you COULD set up a round-robin rsync cronjob, but even that would be evil and bad |
| 06:26.46 | zignig | Guerin: evil _and_ bad ? cool. |
| 06:26.54 | Guerin | Sparr_: if things work, ignore those boot warnings - they are just warnings. |
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| 06:26.57 | PD | When I send mail as root on my Debian server, using the sendmail command the densers address comes as john@xyz.com, how can I change this |
| 06:27.07 | PD | *senders |
| 06:27.13 | Sparr_ | obsidian: no change after reboot |
| 06:27.21 | Guerin | zignig: yeah. Bad because it won't be reliable, evil because it is a horrendous waste of resources. |
| 06:27.24 | zignig | PD: I think they are densers most of the time ;P |
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| 06:27.42 | obsidian | ok, u messd up ur system somehow |
| 06:27.44 | Guerin | PD: reconfigure your MTA |
| 06:27.49 | PD | zingnog soory its senders addresss |
| 06:27.56 | obsidian | now it gets complex to troubleshoot |
| 06:28.01 | PD | I'm using exim4 |
| 06:28.02 | john | 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Aureal Semiconductor AU8810 Vortex Digital Audio Processor (rev 02) |
| 06:28.05 | john | and i think that's my sound card |
| 06:28.09 | zignig | Guerin: true, I would put it into version control and replicate is once. |
| 06:28.12 | john | showed up on lspci |
| 06:28.14 | Guerin | john: no shit? |
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| 06:28.21 | Guerin | zignig: yeah. |
| 06:28.24 | PD | Can I do somehting with touchinh the MTA |
| 06:28.35 | zignig | PD: grep /etc/exim4 for xyz.com and have a look there. |
| 06:28.35 | john | Yeah, call me sherlock. |
| 06:28.36 | obsidian | i cant help much more |
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| 06:28.51 | john | Guerin, Please excuse my newbie ways. |
| 06:28.53 | PD | I'll do that ziging |
| 06:28.54 | obsidian | gotta go in a min |
| 06:29.00 | john | but help with them if possible :) |
| 06:29.01 | john | lol |
| 06:29.07 | scarynetworkguy | !lol |
| 06:29.08 | dpkg | lol is probably Lamer on Line. Congratulations, you've confirmed yourself as one, scarynetworkguy! |
| 06:29.19 | Guerin | john: modprobe snd-au8810 |
| 06:29.21 | scarynetworkguy | !tell john about smart questions |
| 06:29.36 | Sparr_ | mwilson: youll be happy to know im following the nvidia-kernel-source instructions now |
| 06:29.38 | bbhill | is brb ok? or is brb bad too? |
| 06:29.51 | scarynetworkguy | john: Go read what that says about calling yourself a "newb". |
| 06:29.59 | Guerin | !factinfo cmd: lol (.*?) |
| 06:29.59 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as CMD: lol (.*?), Guerin |
| 06:30.06 | Guerin | !factinfo cmd: lol (*.?) |
| 06:30.06 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as CMD: lol (*.?), Guerin |
| 06:30.08 | zignig | Guerin: do you know of any distributed network file systems that don't suck ? |
| 06:30.08 | john | scarynetworkguy, okay... |
| 06:30.19 | Guerin | zignig: google's? |
| 06:30.20 | john | Guerin, Can't locate module snd-au8810 |
| 06:30.23 | Sparr_ | mwilson: to the exact same result as every other method. unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/nvidia/nvidia.o |
| 06:30.31 | Sparr_ | so, now that im back where i started :) |
| 06:30.40 | Sparr_ | anyone have any other suggestions for installing the nvidia drivers? |
| 06:30.41 | fabfab69 | do you know if in serge is there a file where is written the supported hw ? |
| 06:30.45 | obsidian | u system hosed somehow |
| 06:30.51 | bbhill | no n00bs up in this ma' |
| 06:30.52 | mwilson | fabfab69: There is not. |
| 06:30.54 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: Did you go read the faq that I told you about? |
| 06:30.56 | neenee | hm |
| 06:31.08 | neenee | deborphan seems to want to remove libc6-i686 |
| 06:31.11 | fabfab69 | mwilson: are u sure? |
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| 06:31.25 | neenee | regardless of me saying yes at debfoster |
| 06:31.25 | Guerin | john: grep 810 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 06:31.27 | PD | zignig theres nothing that contains xyz.com htere |
| 06:31.30 | zignig | PD: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 06:31.40 | PD | ok |
| 06:31.43 | infinity105 | zignig: imho dpkg -P exim4-config :) |
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| 06:32.08 | Sparr_ | scarynetworkguy: of course. so much waiting, plenty of time to read everything. not much to read though, it just points me to the nvidia-kernel-source docs just like mwilson did |
| 06:32.26 | john | CONFIG_I810_TCO=m |
| 06:32.26 | john | CONFIG_AGP_I810=y |
| 06:32.26 | john | CONFIG_DRM_I810=m |
| 06:32.26 | john | # CONFIG_DRM_I810_XFREE_41 is not set |
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| 06:32.29 | infinity105 | !nvidia |
| 06:32.30 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 06:32.32 | Sparr_ | on http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html the "Use module-assistant." didnt work |
| 06:32.33 | Guerin | ffs |
| 06:32.42 | Sparr_ | the "Install a pre-built module for a stock kernel." method didnt work |
| 06:32.44 | Guerin | john: did I tell you to paste it all? |
| 06:32.52 | infinity105 | Sparr_: ues. module-assist is your friend |
| 06:32.53 | john | nope. |
| 06:32.58 | scarynetworkguy | Sparr_: Right. Do what those docs say and you will be good. |
| 06:33.00 | zignig | infinity105: not a fan of exim then ? |
| 06:33.06 | Sparr_ | infinity105: how dense can you be to think ive been working this long and not seen that 57 times already? |
| 06:33.06 | Guerin | john: what kernel, what debian version/ |
| 06:33.07 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:33.14 | infinity105 | zignig: no. i hate exim :) |
| 06:33.23 | neenee | ok. added libc6-i686 to the keep-list of deborphan |
| 06:33.29 | infinity105 | Sparr_: I just got here. sorry |
| 06:33.33 | Sparr_ | i guess its time to try the "Build manually, with a stock kernel." method, although i expect that will be very similar to the nvidia-kernel-source docs |
| 06:33.41 | infinity105 | Sparr_: are you using your own kernel or a debian kernel |
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| 06:33.47 | Sparr_ | infinity105: it didnt work. debian kernel |
| 06:33.50 | john | 2.4.27 and i'm using Sarge 3.02 |
| 06:33.59 | infinity105 | Sparr_: did you install TWO header packages? |
| 06:34.01 | Sparr_ | The following procedure is adapted from the instructions in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian |
| 06:34.03 | Sparr_ | nooooooooo |
| 06:34.10 | Sparr_ | infinity105: not on purpose, but two are there. |
| 06:34.16 | PD | zignig I did it but the main thing I would like to chage in john.xyz.com is the name john |
| 06:34.28 | PD | not the xyz.com |
| 06:34.31 | infinity105 | Sparr_: k. if you have TWO header packges that match your running kerenl, you should be able to use module-assist. |
| 06:34.58 | PD | When I send a mail as root I want it to go as root@xyz.com and not john@xyz.com |
| 06:34.59 | Sparr_ | infinity105: i installed 2.4.27-1-386, and that depends on 2.4.27-1, so ive got both of those headers installed |
| 06:35.15 | infinity105 | Sparr_: Hmm ..i assume something is wrong but seriously, its like plug and play :) ...hmm .. |
| 06:35.18 | Sparr_ | infinity105: as ive said to others before, answers with "should" in them do not help. yes, it should work. yes, i should be able to get it working. |
| 06:35.27 | Spark | is there a program like 'indent' that indents html? |
| 06:35.29 | Guerin | john: ok, 2.4 kernels don't have alsa by default, my bad. I don't know the name of the OSS module. One more thing: sarge is not 3.02; it's 3.1. |
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| 06:35.32 | Sparr_ | i agree with you 100%, i "should be able to use module-assist." |
| 06:35.34 | infinity105 | yes. i realize this. what error are you getting |
| 06:35.41 | obsidian | spark, no - nontrivial |
| 06:35.43 | Guerin | john: any reason why you're not using a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:35.59 | Sparr_ | every install method gives the same kind of error. the new nvidia.o that i get has unresolved symbols |
| 06:36.05 | Sparr_ | i get that message from module-assistant |
| 06:36.08 | obsidian | indent change page appearance |
| 06:36.25 | john | Because this is the one that came with the install.. and I just installed a few hours ago and haven't set much up |
| 06:36.30 | Sparr_ | i get that message from /usr/src/modules/nvidia/debian/rules |
| 06:36.32 | infinity105 | Sparr_: so it compiles successfully? |
| 06:36.35 | obsidian | sparr needs to wipe and reinstall system i think |
| 06:36.45 | Sparr_ | obsidian: wtf, i just installed like 2 hours ago. |
| 06:36.45 | Guerin | Spark: load it up in emacs or something and apply indents that way |
| 06:36.53 | obsidian | could fix, but it"l be too challenging |
| 06:36.55 | Sparr_ | obsidian: this is the FIRST thing ive installed since tasksel did its thing |
| 06:37.00 | obsidian | for him |
| 06:37.05 | Sparr_ | the very first task i set myself was to get nvidia working |
| 06:37.12 | Sparr_ | ok, i take that back |
| 06:37.13 | Guerin | john: ok. apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 06:37.14 | obsidian | dunno, doesnt figure |
| 06:37.19 | Sparr_ | i upgraded to sid, so this is the second thing |
| 06:37.21 | infinity105 | Sparr_: do you have kernel-headers-2.4.27-1 and kerneel-headers-2.4.27-1-386? |
| 06:37.22 | Spark | Guerin: am doin |
| 06:37.26 | Sparr_ | infinity105: yes. |
| 06:37.29 | obsidian | those dirs work for everyone |
| 06:37.35 | obsidian | u got somethin wedged |
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| 06:37.46 | Guerin | Spark: it's not much fun. I had to do a ~12,000 line XML document like that once |
| 06:37.50 | Sparr_ | obsidian: they dont work for me. ergo they do not work for everyone. you can never say that again. |
| 06:37.59 | mohohaha | anyone familiar with postfix |
| 06:38.02 | obsidian | if i has shell i could find it but not this way, it take all night |
| 06:38.08 | Phated | s/everyone/everyone else/, obsidian? :) |
| 06:38.15 | Sparr_ | you want a shell? :) |
| 06:38.17 | Sparr_ | im tempted |
| 06:38.21 | obsidian | figure of speech |
| 06:38.36 | mohohaha | in postfix with sasl, which one is better between digest-md5 and cram-md5, and how to change it |
| 06:38.40 | obsidian | nah, dont give logins on irc |
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| 06:38.47 | obsidian | u dont know me |
| 06:38.48 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: it's called htmltidy |
| 06:38.51 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 06:38.51 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 06:38.53 | x0563511 | Guerin: well, i ditched mozilla 1.7 and put firefox 1.0 on. problem solved. |
| 06:38.59 | scarynetworkguy | mohohaha: man postfix or better yet the docs on the website. |
| 06:39.07 | CSWookie | Can someone here help me set up exim3 to use a smarthost? |
| 06:39.11 | obsidian | oh, a pithy jerk |
| 06:39.15 | zignig | infinity105: why the hate , its been solid and flexable. |
| 06:39.15 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: what? |
| 06:39.23 | obsidian | wow "u"smart |
| 06:39.24 | mohohaha | because nobody knows the answer? |
| 06:39.29 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: rrr, sorry. Mean't Spark |
| 06:39.40 | john | Guerin, Okay.. I need to restart x i assume at the least? |
| 06:39.44 | Sparr_ | obsidian: why? no harm. theres nothing on the box. someone breaks it then i just have to reinstall, which seems to be the case now anyways |
| 06:39.46 | scarynetworkguy | !tell mohohaha about smart questions |
| 06:39.48 | dondelelcaro | Spark: see htmltidy for your html identing needs |
| 06:39.51 | mohohaha | but it's not part of postfix, you fcking newbie |
| 06:39.55 | infinity105 | zignig: heh. i've used a few, and postfix was the most flexible imho. |
| 06:40.08 | scarynetworkguy | mohohaha: Because you should be asking smart questions and you aren't now. |
| 06:40.28 | zignig | infinity105: I've heard good things , but I've got exim doing vitual hosting so I could finnally ditch qmail ( bleh! ) |
| 06:40.32 | obsidian | eh... |
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| 06:40.40 | obsidian | maybe if it was earlier |
| 06:40.51 | mohohaha | does anyone know the difference between digest and cram, which one is more secure |
| 06:40.55 | obsidian | too tired for this |
| 06:41.00 | infinity105 | zignig: heh. i tired exim4 after sendmail, didn't last long on exim4. went to postfix instead. |
| 06:41.07 | x0563511 | hey, is there any way to get rid of the sound lag in flash? ive got an emu10k1 card, alsa, 2.6 kernel. no arts, using KDE |
| 06:41.22 | john | brb |
| 06:41.26 | toresbe | x0563511: usually the newest version of Flash fixes this |
| 06:41.35 | x0563511 | toresbe: it is, straight from macromedia |
| 06:41.36 | zignig | infinity105: really flexible and solid but config is more of a pita than postfix |
| 06:41.43 | x0563511 | just got it in less than 10 minutes ago |
| 06:41.46 | mohohaha | postfix is quite good |
| 06:41.53 | mohohaha | easy to config too |
| 06:42.11 | x0563511 | acutally... theres a little lag to everything that doesnt directly talk to my sound card |
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| 06:43.57 | x0563511 | anyone? i need to fix this, it bothers me more than you know |
| 06:43.59 | coywolf | Mixer: This audio output driver needs "-af volume" for changing volume. |
| 06:44.07 | coywolf | my gmplayer can't play sound |
| 06:44.14 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: cram is deprecated (usually) in favor of digest. However, as far as security goes, they're both using the md5 hash. So the difference is at the protocol layer, not the actual hash layer. |
| 06:44.15 | coywolf | and the movie goes a bit faster |
| 06:44.18 | coywolf | what's wrong |
| 06:44.23 | coywolf | mplayer is ok |
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| 06:44.47 | troubled | anyone play with apt-move much |
| 06:45.01 | Sparr_ | mwilson: any further suggestions since the docs have failed me? |
| 06:45.11 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: however, there's really no reason not to support them both |
| 06:45.13 | mohohaha | dondelelcaro, how can i change it from cram to digest? i'm using sasl 2.x |
| 06:45.18 | x0563511 | please? someone? |
| 06:45.27 | mohohaha | i have them both support with tls cert |
| 06:45.34 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: I don't use postfix. You might try asking in #postfix |
| 06:46.06 | _troubled | interesting |
| 06:46.17 | coywolf | help |
| 06:46.19 | mohohaha | is there a mech more secure than md5? |
| 06:46.29 | x0563511 | oh come on, someone must have an idea... please |
| 06:46.32 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: not currently, no. |
| 06:46.53 | dondelelcaro | x0563511: you've probably got something like esd in the loop. |
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| 06:47.14 | mohohaha | dondelelcaro, ok, but in cyrus-sasl, how you change that auth method from cram to digest |
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| 06:47.32 | mohohaha | it's something about smtpd.conf |
| 06:47.41 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: I don't use cyrus either. Try #cyrus, or see the manual. |
| 06:47.57 | troubled | anyone use apt-move much? Seems like apt-move mirror wants to download everything over and over |
| 06:47.57 | mohohaha | what do you use then |
| 06:47.57 | infinity105 | mohohaha: lol |
| 06:48.03 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: dovecot over ssh. |
| 06:48.12 | infinity105 | mohohaha: what are you trying to acomplish? sounds like you're in over your head. |
| 06:48.40 | mohohaha | i use postfix and cyrus imapd, both use saslauthd |
| 06:48.45 | dondelelcaro | the default Debian cyrus config really should have both DIGEST-MD5 and CRAM-MD5 enabled, though. |
| 06:48.53 | x0563511 | dondelelcaro: i disabled KDE's soundsystem... artsd is still running and wont close down. |
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| 06:49.00 | infinity105 | mohohaha: yes. that is true. cyrus+postfix is possibly the most complex system possible. |
| 06:49.12 | infinity105 | mohohaha: and arguably the most un-necessary. |
| 06:49.18 | mohohaha | they are enabled, but when i login, sasl somehow uses cram only |
| 06:49.31 | sime | http://www.gnome.org/start/2.8/notes/rnwhatsnew.html << how do i get: "Figure 9. Network Monitor - wireless connection" i am using Sarge |
| 06:49.38 | Sparr_ | and thus, it is time to start over :) |
| 06:49.41 | Sparr_ | can anyone help me get the nvidia drivers installed in debian? ive tried the debian-nvidia howto (methods 1, 2, and 3). ive tried the nvidia-kernel-source docs (method 1). ive tried the nvidia installer. nothing works, every time i get an nvidia.o that will not load and/or has unresolved symbols (probably the same error, just from different programs) |
| 06:49.41 | mohohaha | cyrus maildir is way better than your dovecot though |
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| 06:50.09 | mohohaha | no offense, dovecot is crap |
| 06:50.22 | infinity105 | Sparr_: you're beyond the help here. I suggest you break down all the steps you've followed and review each one thouroghly and veryify everything |
| 06:50.32 | infinity105 | mohohaha: thats not nice. |
| 06:50.37 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: troll elsewhere. I have specific reasons for using dovecot. |
| 06:50.47 | mohohaha | sorry man |
| 06:50.51 | dondelelcaro | (and it starts with 'offlineimap') |
| 06:50.56 | zignig | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 06:51.19 | mohohaha | i just can stand the slowness when i delete mails with dovecot |
| 06:51.19 | infinity105 | mohohaha: you're using sasl? |
| 06:51.29 | mohohaha | yah |
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| 06:51.38 | dondelelcaro | slowness? are you using mbox or something? |
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| 06:51.47 | infinity105 | i have what you want setup, don't remmber how i did it. i'm looking |
| 06:51.48 | john | Guerin, thank you, that worked. |
| 06:51.52 | mohohaha | dovecot use mbox doesn't it? |
| 06:51.56 | john | I appreciate it. |
| 06:51.58 | Sparr_ | infinity105: i can tell you exactly what ive done, its a very short list. default sarge install (with d-i), tasksel for Desktop Environment, Web Server, Mail Server. dist-upgrade to unstable. then i tried the 5 methods mentioned above for installing the nvidia drivers. |
| 06:52.00 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: it doesn't have to. |
| 06:52.09 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: but you would know that if you actually used dovecot |
| 06:52.14 | mohohaha | what dovecot use then |
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| 06:52.29 | mohohaha | i used dovecot with mailbox |
| 06:52.29 | infinity105 | Sparr_: yes. i've read that. |
| 06:52.49 | Sparr_ | something, somewhere, is messed up |
| 06:52.52 | Guerin | john: winnah! |
| 06:52.54 | Cad | shouldnt php4-mysql thats in unstable (4.3.10-2) need something higher than libmysqlclient10 which is still like 3.23.56 |
| 06:52.55 | Sparr_ | if i can find that something i think ill be good to go |
| 06:53.05 | Cad | there are newer libmysql's out there in unstable |
| 06:53.06 | Guerin | Sparr_: that's potentially the truest thing you've said all day |
| 06:53.06 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: well, then that's why it was slow. It takes time to write out an entire mailbox to disk everytime you delete a message. |
| 06:53.07 | infinity105 | mohohaha: you have /etc/postfix/smtpd.conf with |
| 06:53.17 | infinity105 | pwcheck_method: saslauthd |
| 06:53.26 | infinity105 | and mech_list: plain login ...etc. |
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| 06:53.40 | x0563511 | I fixed it! i just ran Fluxbox instead of KDE... |
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| 06:53.55 | Sparr_ | !tell sparr about nvidia |
| 06:53.58 | infinity105 | mohohaha: are you using chroot? |
| 06:54.08 | Guerin | x0563511: heh, that's the fix to many a problem |
| 06:54.09 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: you'll have better luck with /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 06:54.27 | mohohaha | isn't smtpd.conf for sasl? |
| 06:54.34 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: both work... one just came to mind a tad quicker |
| 06:54.37 | zignig | dondelelcaro: you use maildir then ? |
| 06:54.40 | x0563511 | Guerin: now i need to figure out how to add desktop icons, change the background, etc |
| 06:54.51 | Guerin | apt-get install fluxconf |
| 06:54.52 | Phated | idesk! |
| 06:54.58 | infinity105 | mohohaha: lol. i don't remember exactly. |
| 06:54.59 | dondelelcaro | zignig: yeah... my folders are way to big to deal with mbox |
| 06:54.59 | Phated | Bah, fluxconf sucks. |
| 06:55.19 | zignig | dondelelcaro: 150+ MB , :P , what MTA ? |
| 06:55.20 | Guerin | Phated: so does fluxbox, so they suit each other :) |
| 06:55.26 | Sparr_ | Guerin: possibly. but i shall perservere |
| 06:55.29 | Phated | Guerin: Well, all right. :) |
| 06:55.30 | Sparr_ | i dont want to reinstall |
| 06:55.32 | dondelelcaro | zignig: sendmail, actually. |
| 06:55.34 | Sparr_ | but if it comes to that, im ready |
| 06:55.35 | infinity105 | mohohaha: i think i setup sasl to connect to ldap to authenticate cyrus |
| 06:55.36 | Sparr_ | got my media handy |
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| 06:55.54 | infinity105 | Sparr_: go for it. |
| 06:56.06 | dondelelcaro | !maint spamass-milter |
| 06:56.07 | scarynetworkguy | Openbox rules. |
| 06:56.10 | infinity105 | Sparr_: i hope it helps :) |
| 06:56.17 | dpkg | spamass-milter: Don Armstrong <don@donarmstrong.com> |
| 06:56.20 | dondelelcaro | ^^^ that's one of the reasons why I run sendmail |
| 06:56.21 | Sparr_ | take like 2 hours though |
| 06:56.29 | Sparr_ | i will probably start the reinstall right before i go to sleep |
| 06:56.32 | Sparr_ | if i havent fixed this by then |
| 06:56.34 | Cad | hmm looks like libmysqlclient10 and 14 got installed on my box through the install and dist-upgrade |
| 06:56.36 | Cad | how odd |
| 06:57.02 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: you're getting unresolved symbols because you didn't build the nvidia module against the currently running kernel's headers. |
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| 06:57.18 | Guerin | !unresolved symbols |
| 06:57.34 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: the howto explains it fairly well, but you absolutely must make sure that the headers you're building against correspond to the kernel that you wish to run the module with. |
| 06:57.48 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: uname -r; will help you in your quest. |
| 06:57.52 | zignig | dondelelcaro: good enough reason , I spoze :) |
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| 06:57.58 | Guerin | !unresolved symbols is <reply> you're getting unresolved symbols because you didn't build the module against the currently running kernel's headers. |
| 06:57.58 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 06:57.59 | troubled | dondelelcaro: sup dman |
| 06:58.05 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: that had occurred to me. but its not like i have a weird kernel. im using the stock 2.4.27-1-386 kernel, and i have kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-386 installed |
| 06:58.05 | dondelelcaro | zignig: well, that and I sold my soul to m4 |
| 06:58.06 | troubled | dondelelcaro: ltns |
| 06:58.14 | mohohaha | dondelelcaro, so dovecot is slow to delete message.. |
| 06:58.14 | mohohaha | but on dovecot webpage: Shared mailboxes aren't yet supported |
| 06:58.16 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: anything further to check along those lines? |
| 06:58.22 | dondelelcaro | troubled: heh. yeah... been in and out |
| 06:58.32 | troubled | dondelelcaro: nothing new :) |
| 06:58.34 | infinity105 | mohohaha: i LOVE shared mailboxes. |
| 06:58.52 | troubled | infinity105: shared mailboxes? |
| 06:58.54 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: uh, no. Not if you're using maildir, which anyone who actually cares about deletion times would be using |
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| 06:59.09 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: if i was running a custom kernel or something i might understand these errors |
| 06:59.27 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: and which kernel did you build the nvidia module against? |
| 06:59.30 | mohohaha | there's nothing wrong with mailbox, except it's slow when mailbox getting big |
| 06:59.37 | infinity105 | troubled: so two users can access the same folders or mailbox |
| 06:59.53 | dondelelcaro | infinity105: yeah, you can kind of do that with dovecot, but it's suboptimal |
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| 06:59.58 | troubled | infinity105: could you not accomplish something similar with hard links? |
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| 07:00.06 | dondelelcaro | infinity105: I've personally never bothered to do that though, because I've never seen the point |
| 07:00.10 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: thats a darned good question. whichever ones the scripts wanted me to. ive only got headers for -1 and -1-386 though, so i cant imagine how it could get it wrong |
| 07:00.16 | xerophyte | if you compile your kernle with 1 signle process and if you have xeon do you see signle or 2 processor |
| 07:00.26 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: i think the docs have made some assumptions they are not telling me about :( |
| 07:00.39 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: you'll see a bunch of makes, and one gcc process (or linker process) |
| 07:00.46 | mohohaha | Maildir++ quota isn't yet supported for dovecot |
| 07:00.52 | hipp | !lamometer |
| 07:00.56 | infinity105 | troubled: mbox won't work, courier might do it with maildir. i'm not sure what dovecot does. |
| 07:00.57 | hipp | !lameometer |
| 07:01.03 | hipp | how does it go? |
| 07:01.04 | Guerin | hipp: you lose. |
| 07:01.04 | dondelelcaro | mohohaha: can you lay off with the dovecot trolls already? I won't be warning you again. |
| 07:01.17 | infinity105 | troubled: i use cyrus. i love it. i have a huge mail system though. |
| 07:01.21 | hipp | Guerin, u from Costa Rica? |
| 07:01.24 | mohohaha | but i'm just telling the fact on dovecot's webpage.. geez |
| 07:01.30 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: the only way to be sure is to read the makefile. I don't use nvidia though... so go figure |
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| 07:01.36 | Guerin | hipp: no. |
| 07:01.38 | infinity105 | troubled: i would definately not recommend cyrus for everyone. each has its place. |
| 07:01.39 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: the package built by "/usr/src/modules/nvidia/debian/rules binary_modules" is nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386_1.0.6629+1-1_i386.deb |
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| 07:01.53 | troubled | infinity105: aye |
| 07:02.05 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: hrm... looks right to me... |
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| 07:02.40 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: yes, to me too, hence the quandry. its not just this method though. i get the same error from module-assistant and from nvidias installer (well, it says something different in the gui, but im sure its the same) |
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| 07:02.55 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: and what does uname -r; return? |
| 07:03.05 | Sparr_ | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 07:03.07 | Sparr_ | im not stupid :) |
| 07:03.15 | Sparr_ | ignorant, ill admit. but not stupid. |
| 07:03.30 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: eh, these are things that all have to be checked off, unfortunatly. |
| 07:03.37 | Sparr_ | yeah, no problem |
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| 07:03.55 | Sparr_ | ive slowly exhausted every install method anyone has been able to point me to |
| 07:04.06 | Sparr_ | if nothing else, im finding a lot of new resources :) |
| 07:04.24 | Guerin | you've slowly exhausted everyone who was in here a couple hours ago, too |
| 07:04.42 | Sparr_ | Guerin: not my fault people gave me bad instructions. how was i supposed to know? |
| 07:04.50 | directhex | more than a couple |
| 07:04.53 | Sparr_ | they give me the wrong link, then say its MY fault for not knowing it was the wrong link. |
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| 07:05.05 | infinity105 | Sparr_: the instructions are fine. you just have something out of sync or broke. |
| 07:05.21 | Guerin | Sparr_: I'm not going to start it again; I wasn't here for the initial bit, only the hour or so of tit for tat flamage |
| 07:05.36 | Sparr_ | infinity105: nah, i wasted 20 minutes trying to figure out why two people kept pointing me to marillat's package page |
| 07:05.37 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: and you've run apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-1-386; right? |
| 07:06.02 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: you'll need non-free in your sources.list, of course. |
| 07:06.07 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: yep. unresolved symbols. |
| 07:06.15 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: ok.. just a sec. |
| 07:06.22 | Sparr_ | ive tried uninstalling it, then building it. reinstalling it. installing a different version of it. |
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| 07:06.30 | infinity105 | Sparr_: nah the instructions are wrong? I wager you are wrong. I followed them and worked in less than 5 mins. |
| 07:06.36 | Sparr_ | me and nvidia-kernel-* are getting cozy :) |
| 07:06.48 | Guerin | infinity105: don't start it up again. |
| 07:07.06 | Sparr_ | infinity105: you werent here. they gave me the WRONG link. something that had *NOTHING* to do with nvidia. they admitted it a half hour later, after wasting my time for that long. |
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| 07:07.26 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: run md5sum /lib/modules/2.4.27-1-386/nvidia/nvidia.o |
| 07:07.44 | Sparr_ | gad |
| 07:07.46 | Sparr_ | gah |
| 07:07.48 | infinity105 | Sparr_: thats fine. but i'm just saying you've read all the instructions. you have read the correct one i imagine. |
| 07:07.50 | Sparr_ | i hate retyping sums |
| 07:07.58 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: copy and paste is your friend |
| 07:08.00 | Sparr_ | 0f6cf3914 |
| 07:08.02 | Sparr_ | other machine |
| 07:08.05 | dondelelcaro | 0f6cf3914e8c29ed833d1a3452e16038 nvidia.o |
| 07:08.08 | Sparr_ | ^^^ thats the first bit... should be enough :) |
| 07:08.13 | Sparr_ | yeah, thats what i got. |
| 07:08.22 | dondelelcaro | hrm... ok.. that really is the 2.4.27-1-386 module... |
| 07:08.38 | Sparr_ | infinity105: presumably they are all correct, but for the wrong problem. or correct given untrue assumptions. |
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| 07:08.57 | Sparr_ | for example, the debian-nvidia howto assumes you already have non-free in your sources. that took a few minutes for me to figure out. |
| 07:08.57 | Shaun | when building a kernel what would make -j4 do, whats the j4 for? |
| 07:09.18 | infinity105 | Sparr_: no one here owes you perfect instructions. |
| 07:09.27 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284182 |
| 07:09.33 | xam | Shaun: spawn four parallel makes. |
| 07:09.42 | Sparr_ | infinity105: correct, which is why i have no problem with the people who ignore me, or try to help and give up. its the people who just waste my time that bother me. |
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| 07:09.55 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: try the +2 from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/modules-unstable/i386/ |
| 07:09.58 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: thats for 686 (im reading anyways) |
| 07:10.03 | xam | Shaun: good for SMP machines, speeds up the kernel compile, that's all |
| 07:10.18 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: yes, but that's probably just because most people are running 686. The symptoms will be the same |
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| 07:10.33 | alnr | how is exim (3) started and stopped? |
| 07:10.36 | directhex | same applies, all the nvidia-kernel modules are broken. which is why module-assistant 'si teh ubarwinz0r' |
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| 07:11.14 | infinity105 | Sparr_: no one intends to waste time. start a blog, post the url, and wait. that way everyone starts on the same page. i could argue you are wasting OUR time by not doing such a thing :) |
| 07:11.19 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: the +2 you say? |
| 07:11.41 | Sparr_ | directhex: module-assistant has the exact same problem. |
| 07:11.42 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: rrr.. did you already have the +2? |
| 07:11.47 | Sparr_ | dont know :) |
| 07:11.50 | Sparr_ | guess we will find out |
| 07:11.54 | Sparr_ | i ask because theres a +3 there |
| 07:12.03 | Sparr_ | my bad, the +3 is for another version |
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| 07:12.23 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: yeah, you may already have the +2 installed. |
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| 07:12.52 | john | Can I get the command to upgrade the kernel image again? apt-get install ... |
| 07:13.09 | Sparr_ | dondelelcaro: still unresolved symbols, and i already had +2 |
| 07:13.27 | Cad | apt-get install kernel-image[find it on packages.debian.org] |
| 07:13.34 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: ok, figures. You may just have to file a bug against that package, and use the nv driver for the time being. |
| 07:13.43 | Sparr_ | bah |
| 07:13.44 | Sparr_ | screw that |
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| 07:13.51 | directhex | fine on 2.6 |
| 07:13.51 | Sparr_ | ill update my kernel, build the module from scratch :) |
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| 07:13.55 | Agabus | hello all |
| 07:13.58 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
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| 07:14.43 | DeadlySin3 | will updating the kernel effect config settings with say... apache/mysql or the like? |
| 07:15.06 | dondelelcaro | DeadlySin3: assuming you don't do anything insane, no. |
| 07:15.10 | jm__ | DeadlySin3: updating the kernel affects everything |
| 07:15.14 | Sparr_ | i always love updating the kernel |
| 07:15.20 | Sparr_ | i get to spend 8 hours guessing which modules i need |
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| 07:15.52 | Sparr_ | excepting the reason that i havent written one, why is there no tool that looks at the currently running kernel and figures out which non-module drivers youre using? |
| 07:15.55 | DeadlySin3 | ah, well i freshly installed debian last night; it's running beautifully though so maybe I shouldn't update |
| 07:16.22 | bytecolor | can I make the remote ssh host I'm logging into change my local prompt? I always use just a single character '$' for the prompt, but it's easy to get my xterms (local, remote) mixed up |
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| 07:16.56 | infinity105 | DeadlySin3: if you don't need to update, i wouldnt. i have one system with a 2 yr old kernel. heh |
| 07:17.32 | directhex | Sparr_, you could use an old kernel .config as a base. or upgrade to 2.6. |
| 07:17.41 | DeadlySin3 | hehe, well seeing as i've put a lot of time into setting up everything the way i want it; i'm not going to bother with an update |
| 07:17.58 | DeadlySin3 | thanks for the advice ;) |
| 07:17.58 | Sparr_ | im upgrading to 2.6 |
| 07:18.00 | bytecolor | for instance, I'd only want the hostname to appear in the prompt if Im logged into a ssh session |
| 07:18.19 | infinity105 | DeadlySin3: if you want to play with a kernel, its usualy easy to boot an old one in case the new one doesn't work right. use grub. |
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| 07:19.22 | DeadlySin3 | I do use grub. I have a question that maybe one of you could answer. what's the benefit of upgrading from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 07:19.38 | john | Alsa support in my case. |
| 07:19.52 | d0ugie | anything better than bind for nameserving, or is that where it's at? |
| 07:19.56 | DeadlySin3 | Yeah I know John. I'm like.. right behind you. lol |
| 07:19.59 | john | I know :( |
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| 07:20.09 | infinity105 | DeadlySin3: hm. faster. better hardware support. less stable. |
| 07:20.36 | DeadlySin3 | hm, well stability is an issue for me |
| 07:20.38 | infinity105 | d0ugie: thats a matter of opinion. mine is use bind9. |
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| 07:20.51 | DeadlySin3 | i'm planning on running a small server for a few close friends straight from my box |
| 07:20.57 | john | infinity105, How much less unstable? |
| 07:21.03 | directhex | DeadlySin3, it's technically unstable as in 'things change a lot from minor release to minor release' |
| 07:21.03 | infinity105 | DeadlySin3: if its a workstation. 2.6 is fine. |
| 07:21.26 | DeadlySin3 | I see |
| 07:21.27 | directhex | DeadlySin3, never had an actual crash on my machine from a 2.6 kernel |
| 07:21.32 | d0ugie | bind9, huh .. so to you, sendmail is to postfix as bind is to bind9? |
| 07:21.34 | DeadlySin3 | always good to know ;) |
| 07:21.35 | infinity105 | john: seriously, i would only worry if its a _critical_ server. |
| 07:21.42 | john | okay :) |
| 07:22.04 | directhex | depending on what you're doing, 2.6 can be up to about 50% faster anyway |
| 07:22.15 | infinity105 | d0ugie: i don't understand what you mean. do you mean bind4 and bind9? |
| 07:23.08 | d0ugie | i just wanted to hear someone say ___ is elite, which you did, so that's good enough .. :) thanks vm.. bind9 it is. |
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| 07:24.17 | infinity105 | d0ugie: oh. lol. the only real options for a DNS server are djbdns and bind9. i would go with bind9 though.. i tried the others and it had advantages, but more disadvantages. |
| 07:25.15 | directhex | !start a dns war |
| 07:25.15 | dpkg | tinydns wants to take over your namespace! |
| 07:25.23 | d0ugie | i want whatever is the simplest to config and works well in tandem with apache |
| 07:25.32 | d0ugie | the one with the shortest man page |
| 07:25.50 | infinity105 | d0ugie: don't say that . just use bind9. |
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| 07:26.01 | infinity105 | d0ugie: tinddns = djbdns ...btw |
| 07:26.05 | infinity105 | er tinydns |
| 07:26.20 | jm__ | yeah bind9 will work wonderful for someone who has decided not to read anything in advance |
| 07:26.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:26.40 | infinity105 | :) ...no one is saying anything. do what i say before you start a dns war. lol |
| 07:26.40 | d0ugie | one more question .. can you rec a good book on dns for someone new to it |
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| 07:26.55 | Phated | Running Linux! |
| 07:26.57 | d0ugie | so i don't br0ke the internet by mistake |
| 07:27.14 | infinity105 | d0ugie: i used the oriely book a long time ago. now, i just use the bind9 docs and google. |
| 07:27.19 | Phated | directhex: Hello, Linux! |
| 07:27.28 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie: The guide on http://www.tldp.org |
| 07:27.37 | d0ugie | man, everybody loves this oriely dude |
| 07:27.46 | d0ugie | another day, another slashdot review |
| 07:27.49 | Phated | R'Reilly rulesx0rs. |
| 07:27.54 | Phated | s/R/O/ |
| 07:27.55 | d0ugie | Bill? |
| 07:28.04 | Guerin | d0ugie: it's because tim o'reilly loves free software |
| 07:28.12 | kane_ | is there a way i can make dpkg -i install into a fakeroot environment (for testing purposes)? |
| 07:28.16 | Guerin | (at least as much as he loves proprietary) |
| 07:28.25 | Guerin | kane_: man dpkg |
| 07:28.25 | Phated | That's better than nothing. |
| 07:28.26 | directhex | he's R0x0r McPwnage, reincarnated! |
| 07:28.28 | Guerin | kane_: yes. |
| 07:28.34 | scarynetworkguy | Oh yeah they do damn good work. |
| 07:28.48 | kane_ | guerin: i'm reading that, but i must miss it... i can see --force-not-root, but that's not what i want |
| 07:28.56 | lizsac | hey is there any good howto on setting up jails on debian ? |
| 07:29.02 | lizsac | i've never setup a jail before |
| 07:29.07 | d0ugie | jails?? |
| 07:29.18 | lizsac | yeah i got a couple of users loggin in |
| 07:29.22 | lizsac | i want to limit them |
| 07:29.23 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie: chroot jails. |
| 07:29.24 | infinity105 | lizsac: get a few iron bars, a welder, and have at it |
| 07:29.28 | d0ugie | ah |
| 07:29.28 | lizsac | my install seems to be a bit slack |
| 07:29.30 | Phated | *clang* |
| 07:29.31 | kane_ | Guerin: pardon, my grep was off |
| 07:29.33 | lizsac | like they could run nmap |
| 07:29.35 | lizsac | smbclient |
| 07:29.37 | Guerin | kane_: you want --root= or --instdir= |
| 07:29.49 | Guerin | don't use grep for reading manpages |
| 07:29.51 | lizsac | shit that could comprimise my lan security |
| 07:29.56 | Guerin | use less and / |
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| 07:30.02 | kane_ | guerin: figure of speech |
| 07:30.07 | Guerin | ah yeah |
| 07:30.10 | kane_ | but thanks, i see it |
| 07:30.10 | Guerin | fair play |
| 07:30.19 | GOetmet | does Linux uses PAM by default? (for authentification) |
| 07:30.27 | infinity105 | GOetmet: yea |
| 07:30.29 | GOetmet | or it's only needed when I want to use ldap |
| 07:30.30 | lizsac | http://www.secinf.net/unix_security/Securing_Debian_HOWTO/Securing_Debian_HOWTO__Before_the_compromise.html |
| 07:30.34 | lizsac | i checked that out |
| 07:30.36 | infinity105 | GOetmet: no. |
| 07:30.39 | GOetmet | ok |
| 07:30.41 | GOetmet | thank you |
| 07:30.41 | lizsac | but i wanted to learn about jails specifically |
| 07:30.47 | Guerin | lizsac: /msg dpkg ssh chroot as well |
| 07:30.47 | Phated | Guerin: You can't grep manpages anyway, can you? Them being in some funny format. |
| 07:30.55 | Guerin | Phated: man foo |grep bar |
| 07:30.57 | infinity105 | lizsac: good luck. personally i hate being on systems with jails. |
| 07:31.02 | lizsac | yeah |
| 07:31.06 | Phated | Guerin: Ahh, I see. |
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| 07:31.15 | Cad | anyone ever notice how no apps/etc work well with mysql 4.1, but everythings fine with 4.0 |
| 07:31.15 | lizsac | a couple of friends runnin bitchx |
| 07:31.21 | Guerin | Phated: and there is nothing comical about *roff |
| 07:31.23 | lizsac | but i just like being secure |
| 07:31.28 | lizsac | i never let ppl on my boxes |
| 07:31.35 | d0ugie | anyone know a good substitute to cPanel (as cPanel, I heard, doesn't work on deb)? |
| 07:31.35 | Phated | Guerin: Bah to you, sir. :) |
| 07:31.36 | lizsac | but i'm feelin pretty secure |
| 07:31.44 | lizsac | i've tried hacking this debian box for the last week |
| 07:32.05 | Guerin | d0ugie: /bin/bash is used by more gnu/linux admins than any other tool |
| 07:32.07 | lizsac | it's just once they are on the debian box they could muck around my lan |
| 07:32.24 | Cad | i thought cpanel had a beta for deb? |
| 07:32.25 | infinity105 | do you guys know of a php4+apache installer for windows? |
| 07:32.29 | d0ugie | what's the best brand of eyedrops to counter blood vessle bursting from too much debian sound configging? |
| 07:32.32 | infinity105 | my friend is bugging me and google isn't helping |
| 07:32.32 | Guerin | infinity105: hahaha |
| 07:32.45 | Cad | inifinity105: tell him php.net and mysql.com |
| 07:32.47 | infinity105 | I know its off topic, just real quick :) |
| 07:32.47 | Phated | d0ugie: I like EyeMo, but I think that only works for X issues. |
| 07:32.48 | lizsac | i haven't been able to root exploit my debian box |
| 07:32.49 | Cad | and tell him to learn how to read |
| 07:32.51 | lizsac | mainly cuz it's ppc |
| 07:32.54 | d0ugie | heh |
| 07:33.11 | infinity105 | no. he's an idiot. he needs one of those pre-setup / pre-confgiured LAMP things for windows. |
| 07:33.21 | Phated | Screw him! |
| 07:33.30 | Phated | Not literally... Nor in the commonly used sense... |
| 07:33.39 | Cad | if he cant set it up...then he doesnt need to be developing on it |
| 07:33.40 | Phated | But by all means, if you wish. |
| 07:33.40 | covux | infinity105: goggle for xamp |
| 07:33.40 | infinity105 | Phated: hey. i give him credit for going open source !! ..gotta start somewhere. eh |
| 07:33.49 | infinity105 | xamp? SWEET. THANKS! |
| 07:33.49 | GOetmet | infinity105 , on the other hand, does linux use NSS by default? for name authentification |
| 07:33.54 | d0ugie | damn i need another power outlet .. time to maguyver myself some out of speaker wire |
| 07:33.54 | Phated | infinity105: Well, he can start learning here, can't he. |
| 07:33.57 | GOetmet | username |
| 07:34.43 | infinity105 | GOetmet: uhh ..nsswitch is used on all unixes |
| 07:34.46 | lizsac | it seems like setting up jails on freebsd is easy |
| 07:34.52 | lizsac | i mean i've never tried it |
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| 07:34.56 | lizsac | but newbs doing it all the time |
| 07:35.53 | GOetmet | infinity105 : nsswitch is the service which handles all the username information? |
| 07:36.00 | GOetmet | or am i wrong |
| 07:36.14 | nksen | do I have to patch kernes prior to 2.6 to be able to read xfs-filesystems? |
| 07:36.25 | d0ugie | god i could talk to dpkg all day .. what a personality on that bot |
| 07:36.25 | infinity105 | GOetmet: no. its more of a director. man nsswitch.conf |
| 07:36.26 | Guerin | nksen: no |
| 07:36.36 | lizsac | maybe i should just give them root |
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| 07:36.40 | nksen | Guerin: but I can't find the option under filesystems :/ |
| 07:36.42 | lizsac | that way i don't have to worry aboutit |
| 07:36.50 | Guerin | nksen: why not? |
| 07:37.16 | scarynetworkguy | Heh. |
| 07:37.37 | covux | infinity105: actually its xampp. sorry.. |
| 07:37.46 | lizsac | the problem exists within my wine glass |
| 07:37.50 | Sparr_ | and so begins the kernel compile! |
| 07:37.51 | infinity105 | covux: thanks. i wasn't having much luck with xamp |
| 07:37.52 | nksen | Guerin: is it similar to VXFS? |
| 07:38.00 | Sparr_ | safe to say i wont be accomplishing anything else on that box tonight |
| 07:38.04 | d0ugie | if the most important thing to me is uptime/stability as I won't have physical access to my box for months at a clip, which kernel's my best bet? |
| 07:38.11 | jm__ | you need recent kernels for xfs in 2.4 |
| 07:38.12 | Phated | Woody's? |
| 07:38.14 | Sparr_ | d0ugie: 2.2.x :) |
| 07:38.15 | Nemoder | I'm trying to backup 'hidden files' but how do you select .* without including . and .. ? |
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| 07:38.52 | jm__ | Nemoder: any decent tool will have the option to exclude some files |
| 07:39.03 | Nemoder | just using tar |
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| 07:39.08 | jm__ | tar has this option |
| 07:39.12 | dondelelcaro | Nemoder: .??* will do it... you can do more complicated things with find too. |
| 07:39.12 | d0ugie | 2.2, huh .. i'd probably get sound to work on that one |
| 07:39.19 | covux | infinity105: iam happy with my debian based lamp ;-) |
| 07:39.21 | Phated | .[aA-zZ 0-9]*? Or something, I know I messed up that one. |
| 07:39.24 | Nemoder | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 07:39.31 | infinity105 | covux: i totaly agree. |
| 07:39.32 | Shadur | dondelelcaro: alternately, he can go up one dir and tar the whole dir |
| 07:39.46 | dondelelcaro | Shadur: yeah... I've no clue what he's actually trying to do. |
| 07:39.49 | Nemoder | crap duh |
| 07:40.07 | Phated | Meh, just cp them somewhere. :) |
| 07:40.13 | d0ugie | 2.6.10: Highly regarded? |
| 07:40.23 | Phated | Not really. It's newish, isn't it. |
| 07:40.43 | infinity105 | d0ugie: as long as its not an mm kernel. |
| 07:41.03 | Nemoder | I'll just use file-roller or something to go back through and pick out ones I don't want |
| 07:41.19 | dondelelcaro | find -type d -path './.*' -maxdepth 1; may also be useful... |
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| 07:41.53 | d0ugie | k.. but with any kernel, is there a way to get the comp to reset if the OS freaks out? or would that have to be done in BIOS or something as that would require more processing to decide to reboot when everything's locked up? |
| 07:41.54 | froust | can anyone give me the URL for amd64 sarge iso? |
| 07:42.13 | d0ugie | 'cause i dont want to greyhound for ten hours to hit a reboot button |
| 07:42.13 | infinity105 | d0ugie: i think you need a watchdog card. |
| 07:42.31 | jm__ | d0ugie: there's the option to automatically reboot when it panics, or try software watchdog |
| 07:42.34 | d0ugie | Watchdog card... hmm.. google time |
| 07:42.47 | d0ugie | Thanks, fellas |
| 07:42.58 | d0ugie | wait, card or software? |
| 07:43.08 | jm__ | hardware is far more reliable |
| 07:43.19 | jm__ | but you obviously need one supported by Linux |
| 07:43.22 | infinity105 | d0ugie: try googleing both. i never set one up. just crossed the screen. |
| 07:43.30 | Phated | Buy a very long stick? :) |
| 07:43.30 | DeadlySin3 | off the wall question here; is there a command to input from the command line to view the version info on the currently installed kernel? |
| 07:43.44 | froust | uname -r |
| 07:43.57 | Phated | uname -a gives more info. |
| 07:44.18 | d0ugie | well infinity what's your record uptime, forgetting "elective" reboots like new kernels? i mean total bsod snafu? |
| 07:44.19 | DeadlySin3 | very nice. thanks :) |
| 07:44.35 | froust | anyone have the url for sarge 64 bit iso? |
| 07:44.52 | dondelelcaro | froust: on which architecture? |
| 07:45.26 | Sparr_ | i once left memtest86 running for a month |
| 07:45.32 | Sparr_ | that was my record uptime :) |
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| 07:45.50 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 07:46.09 | Phated | My record - 44 days, 17:32. :) |
| 07:46.27 | dondelelcaro | Irssi uptime: 96d 7h 45m 35s |
| 07:46.31 | Guerin | the last time I had to reboot was when using a rebuilt x server from about potato on my current sid system |
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| 07:47.03 | Guerin | the box was still fine, just nothing on the screen; I could shell in, but couldn't get the screen to show anything without a reboot |
| 07:47.05 | jm__ | 411d 19h 37m and counting |
| 07:47.07 | d0ugie | guerin: but during that time, you think your box could have been accessed remotely? |
| 07:47.12 | d0ugie | ah |
| 07:47.19 | jm__ | with several processes running for as long |
| 07:47.26 | dondelelcaro | jm__: like init? ;-) |
| 07:47.35 | Phated | Heh. |
| 07:47.36 | jm__ | dondelelcaro: no, X, IRC client, mgt |
| 07:47.45 | d0ugie | well i dont even have a monitor for this box, i'll be VNCing, so that won't be an issue |
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| 07:48.00 | d0ugie | re caphuso |
| 07:48.18 | infinity105 | jm__: does the system have ecc or scsi? |
| 07:48.28 | Sparr_ | i wish kernel compile had a progress meter |
| 07:48.33 | jm_ | infinity105: no, it's el-crapola HP Vectra |
| 07:49.09 | infinity105 | jm_: wow. i have a white-box at a data center. freak hardware error after 1 year. |
| 07:49.25 | d0ugie | sparr_: it's like classy pr0n .. gotta leave something to the imagination, like whether your two or eighty percent through |
| 07:49.35 | Cad | hp's new servers are nice, the vectras are shit |
| 07:49.41 | infinity105 | jm_: cheap promise card seems to have caused the crash. |
| 07:49.57 | Sparr_ | why are there warnings in the kernel compile? |
| 07:49.59 | Cad | i got to play with HPs new Blade servers today at work |
| 07:50.03 | infinity105 | d0ugie: lol |
| 07:50.03 | Sparr_ | warnings are someone not doing their job right |
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| 07:50.32 | mwilson | Sparr_: Yes, and we all know you know so much about it. |
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| 07:51.09 | CaD | there are always warnings in the kernel complile |
| 07:51.12 | CaD | you ever done this before champ? |
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| 07:51.23 | Manoj_ | Sparr_: patches to fix warning welcome |
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| 07:51.30 | mwilson | Sparr_: Why don't you just get in there and tell those kernel people what they're doing wrong? After all, up until now, you've impressed everyone here with how well you do things. |
| 07:52.33 | covux | apt-get install kernel-imagexxxyyy protects u against such nasty warnings ;-) |
| 07:52.37 | d0ugie | anyone have any idea why AMD's stock got killed yesterday? |
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| 07:54.04 | Guerin | oh, Sparr_ is just everyone's favourite person in #debian today |
| 07:54.29 | Sparr_ | Manoj_: care to lay a wager on how long it takes for a patch that does nothing but fix a warning to get accepted? |
| 07:54.48 | cyberyo | io |
| 07:54.53 | Manoj_ | Sparr_: pretty quickly for Debian |
| 07:55.03 | infinity105 | Sparr_: longer than your nvidia project? |
| 07:55.03 | Sparr_ | mwilson: well, the one that caught my eye this time is easy. theyve #ifdef'd out the use of a variable, but not its declaration, so theres a warning 'declared but not used' |
| 07:55.10 | Sparr_ | that actually seems like the majority of the warnings |
| 07:55.13 | Manoj_ | Sparr_: and not too long getting into -mm or -ac trees either |
| 07:55.32 | Sparr_ | infinity105: that remains to be seen. hopefully it will "just work" once im on a new kernel |
| 07:55.55 | infinity105 | Guerin: i feel something strange |
| 07:56.04 | mwilson | Sparr_: And so I repeat my question... since you're so special and so knowlegeable... why aren't you in there helping those poor kernel maintainers who don't know as much as you? |
| 07:56.37 | Sparr_ | mwilson: never said they didnt know anything. they just missed this. a lot. probably in a hurry, or possibly just one lazy guy. |
| 07:56.59 | mwilson | There he goes again. |
| 07:57.06 | Sparr_ | Guerin: without the marillat debacle things would have gone a lot nicer. |
| 07:57.18 | mwilson | He doesn't just put the foot in, he's determined to bite down on it. |
| 07:57.24 | CaD | yeah sparr 'cause they just release code into the kernel on a whim... |
| 07:57.36 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: eh, calm down... |
| 07:58.02 | dondelelcaro | think /ignore... ;-) |
| 07:58.10 | Sparr_ | mwilson: i love how you say things like that, without ever even claiming (as mistakenly as it would be) that im not right. |
| 07:58.23 | CaD | lol |
| 07:58.24 | dondelelcaro | Sparr_: if you two want to go at it, please do it elsewhere. |
| 07:58.25 | CaD | Laugh Out Loud |
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| 07:58.48 | infinity105 | dondelelcaro: do they have to? i'll watch :) |
| 07:59.05 | dondelelcaro | infinity105: you can set up #deathmatch if you wish... |
| 07:59.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:59.17 | dondelelcaro | two come in, one comes out... |
| 07:59.24 | Guerin | they can sort it out in a dpkg action wart |
| 07:59.28 | infinity105 | rofl |
| 07:59.34 | Guerin | s/t// |
| 07:59.35 | jetscreamer | omg he's still at it |
| 07:59.39 | jetscreamer | aaaaaaahhhhhh |
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| 08:00.37 | Sparr_ | jetscreamer: we've established im an ignorant newb, you think my problems will just go away on their own? |
| 08:00.46 | Sparr_ | i finally gave up on getting the module to work with 2.4 |
| 08:00.51 | Sparr_ | maybe ill have better luck with 2.6 |
| 08:00.52 | infinity105 | jetscreamer: he wants some. |
| 08:00.56 | jetscreamer | what module |
| 08:01.02 | Sparr_ | nvidia-kernel |
| 08:01.41 | sep | that module is drop dead easy on debian 2.4 module-assistant is your friend |
| 08:01.44 | jetscreamer | just use the nvidia binary proprietary, pass it --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers/`uname -r` |
| 08:01.54 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 08:02.02 | jetscreamer | pass it --kernel-include-path=/usr/src/kernel-headers/`uname -r`/include |
| 08:02.03 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 08:02.08 | infinity105 | sep: yea. it installs the modules, headers, everything. it reads your mind. only idiots can't make it work. |
| 08:02.12 | jetscreamer | get the headers eh |
| 08:02.23 | dondelelcaro | nvidia-namshub |
| 08:02.25 | Sparr_ | sep: for anyone new to the discussion... ive tried module-assistant, it gives the exact same error as every other method |
| 08:02.32 | sep | infinity105: even i made it work on first try |
| 08:02.32 | Sparr_ | jetscreamer: did that too. |
| 08:02.42 | infinity105 | sep: hear hear! living proof. |
| 08:02.53 | jetscreamer | so it worked or you messed it up |
| 08:02.53 | sep | lol :) |
| 08:03.32 | Sparr_ | module-assistant was the second method i trie |
| 08:03.32 | Sparr_ | d |
| 08:03.33 | d0ug | wow what a great quit message :P |
| 08:03.34 | jetscreamer | note the lack of trailing / |
| 08:03.37 | Sparr_ | after trying the nvidia installer |
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| 08:03.59 | Sparr_ | jetscreamer: btw, --kernel-include-path is deprecated :) |
| 08:04.20 | jetscreamer | but it "Just Works"(TM) |
| 08:04.29 | Sparr_ | jetscreamer: but, regardless... unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.o'. this is most likely ... wrong kernel source files ... |
| 08:04.47 | jetscreamer | then you supplied the incorrect stuff |
| 08:04.52 | jetscreamer | what kernel |
| 08:04.52 | neenee | do i have to recompile anything for libc6-i686 to be used over libc6, and should i keep the non-i686 package? |
| 08:05.14 | Sparr_ | 2.4.27-1-386 |
| 08:05.23 | Sparr_ | the default kernel with the 386 sarge netinst disc |
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| 08:05.32 | mwilson | neenee: What does the documentation for the package say? |
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| 08:05.53 | Sparr_ | its not like ive got some freakily configured system |
| 08:06.06 | jetscreamer | works for me. |
| 08:06.16 | Sparr_ | i started this nvidia quest with a perfectly untouched stock sarge install. |
| 08:06.17 | infinity105 | Sparr_: true dat. duno whats between the chair and the keyboard though. |
| 08:06.18 | jetscreamer | what proc |
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| 08:07.05 | sparr | since then ive upgraded to sid, to no avail. |
| 08:07.23 | jetscreamer | hell, just compile a kernel, just do make menuconfig and save it. then make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 08:07.32 | sparr | yeah |
| 08:07.37 | jetscreamer | then when you run the installer it will "Just Work"(TM) |
| 08:07.37 | sparr | im building a new kernel now |
| 08:07.46 | jetscreamer | the nvidia installer |
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| 08:08.03 | sparr | just gonna take a while |
| 08:08.10 | neenee | mwilson: i did not see anything about the need to recompile nor about removing the non-i686 package. hence the question. or should i just assume that there is no need for either just because it is not mentioned? |
| 08:08.15 | sparr | giving me plenty of time to try to figure out why it didnt "just work" right out of the box |
| 08:08.39 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 08:08.43 | mwilson | Why do I bother? |
| 08:08.49 | neenee | great |
| 08:08.54 | neenee | there we go again with the sarcasm |
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| 08:08.58 | mwilson | $ mv mwilson /mnt/bed |
| 08:09.15 | mwilson | # shutdown -h now |
| 08:09.19 | neenee | i wonder too, why do i bother.. asking that is. |
| 08:09.23 | caphuso | oh, mwilson just overwrote his bed |
| 08:10.52 | zamolxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.59 | dondelelcaro | neenee: no, you don't. The documentation explains it pretty clearly |
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| 08:11.02 | d0ug | i got my hands on an old-ass Lucent/Lynksys Dell-labeled RG-1000 wireless router.. even after resetting the device, it still wants some WEP hash key to let me on it... googling has been ineffective .. anyone know about that model? |
| 08:11.15 | sparr | by the way, thanks to dondelelcaro, i found that this isnt just me |
| 08:11.15 | sparr | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284182 |
| 08:11.20 | sparr | someone else has hit the same bug |
| 08:11.39 | jetscreamer | amazing |
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| 08:11.48 | neenee | dondelelcaro: well, then obviously i have not seen the documentation yet.. the info i saw was at packages.debian.org |
| 08:11.50 | CaD | they already knew about it ?!?! |
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| 08:12.17 | ApEtc | TOP |
| 08:12.25 | sparr | well, its zipping up the new kernel |
| 08:12.28 | sparr | if its finished... wow |
| 08:13.02 | sparr | odds are it wont work, but its still nice to have it finish so quick |
| 08:13.04 | dondelelcaro | neenee: yes, and you'll notice that it requires 2.6 kernel. With that in place, you won't need to recompile anything. |
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| 08:13.10 | sparr | ive never gotten a working kernel on the first try |
| 08:13.56 | infinity105 | how old is jennifer gartner. she's on leno. |
| 08:14.04 | infinity105 | i need a date with her :) |
| 08:14.10 | caphuso | infinity105: google certainly knows |
| 08:14.10 | neenee | dondelelcaro: ok. then i had to assume that it would work as it is not specifically mentioned. thanks. |
| 08:14.15 | caphuso | or maybe imdb |
| 08:14.19 | jetscreamer | kernels are simplistic to configure and compile |
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| 08:14.26 | johny | hello ! |
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| 08:14.33 | johny | what is that: |
| 08:14.34 | johny | gw:~# grep x /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
| 08:14.34 | johny | grep: /proc/net/ip_conntrack: No space left on device |
| 08:14.34 | infinity105 | caphuso: ok. make a borking conversation! ..:/ |
| 08:14.35 | jetscreamer | know thy initrd |
| 08:14.35 | Guerin | hah, fixed my couch |
| 08:14.58 | Guerin | nothing a couple dozen carefully-placed inch-long nails can't fix :) |
| 08:15.07 | rob0 | johny, try "df" |
| 08:15.11 | sparr | this kernel compile howto hasnt had a problem yet, and it covers the nvidia drivers |
| 08:15.19 | sparr | hopefully it will work out |
| 08:15.22 | johny | gw:~# df |
| 08:15.22 | johny | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 08:15.22 | johny | /dev/hda2 5039592 1352944 3430644 29% / |
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| 08:15.46 | Guerin | grrr |
| 08:15.51 | CaD | df -h |
| 08:15.54 | infinity105 | damn. shes older than me! ..she looks and acts younger |
| 08:15.55 | rob0 | where's your /tmp? is it full? |
| 08:16.02 | johny | gw:~# df -h |
| 08:16.02 | johny | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 08:16.02 | johny | /dev/hda2 4.9G 1.3G 3.3G 29% / |
| 08:16.03 | Guerin | johny: don't paste it in here |
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| 08:16.12 | Guerin | feckin' eejit |
| 08:16.21 | johny | rob0, no |
| 08:16.23 | sparr | odd |
| 08:16.40 | rob0 | sounds like something's broken :) |
| 08:16.48 | sparr | im curious as to why my kernel package's name ends in _i386 instead of _K7... |
| 08:16.51 | johny | rob0, :) ok.. but what? |
| 08:17.04 | caphuso | sparr: because that's the arch name |
| 08:17.05 | dondelelcaro | sparr: uh, because you're using the _i386 kernel. |
| 08:17.13 | Guerin | clearly |
| 08:17.18 | rob0 | are you using tmpfs? |
| 08:17.34 | johny | yes |
| 08:17.46 | jetscreamer | you're supposed to configure your cpu in menuconfig if you want |
| 08:17.51 | rob0 | I bet /tmp is full |
| 08:18.04 | d0ug | If you got a 1500Kb/384Kb DSL line with two boxes behind the router, one Windows box for an AOLer housemate and one Linux box for serving crazy pr0n, where would you want to set the MTU so that the Windows box doesn't experience that much latency when the Linux box is serving heavily? or would you just cap bandwidth instead of tweaking the mtu... |
| 08:18.10 | sparr | jetscreamer: yeah, i know. and i did. guess that just doesnt affect the package name |
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| 08:18.32 | infinity105 | d0ug: cap |
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| 08:18.42 | johny | rob0, tmpfs 126M 0 126M 0% /dev/shm |
| 08:18.59 | d0ug | k.. thanks |
| 08:19.17 | infinity105 | d0ug: even better. look fot 'lartc htb' on google |
| 08:19.42 | jetscreamer | sparr, man kernel-pkg.conf, see also make-kpkg --append-to-version=.6.8610.777 kernel-image |
| 08:19.56 | d0ug | ok, thanks inf |
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| 08:20.30 | rob0 | but with a lot of connections in conntrack, it's possible your small /tmp fills up!! 126M is way too small. Try setting TMPDIR=$HOME/tmp (and mkdir if necessary.) |
| 08:20.44 | infinity105 | 'millions of americans are just asking for a computer virus, thats why aol gives comprehensive anti-virus protection to all its members' |
| 08:20.48 | infinity105 | shoot the tv? |
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| 08:21.18 | Herodes | errree |
| 08:21.18 | CaD | whats tv |
| 08:21.18 | rob0 | johny, when I use mc to view a decent sized tar file, I've seen it fill up much larger /tmp's than yours. |
| 08:21.34 | infinity105 | CaD: oh. true. we download all our tv shows. :) |
| 08:21.36 | d0ug | when i hear that ad i think of girls who were "asking for it" ... |
| 08:21.41 | dondelelcaro | tmpfs isn't /tmp |
| 08:21.48 | CaD | :) |
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| 08:22.18 | d0ug | i would have thought twice about running it if i were they |
| 08:22.48 | CaD | hes obviously got everything mounted under /, so hes got 3.3gb free for temp stuff |
| 08:22.56 | johny | rob0, but .. where i can set the size of tmpfs..? |
| 08:23.50 | rob0 | I don't use tmpfs (yet), dunno. But try my TMPDIR suggestion. |
| 08:24.33 | d0ug | Any way around the problem of legit emails autoforwarded from aliases triggering false positives on most spam filters? |
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| 08:24.36 | johny | rob0, is not working.. |
| 08:24.49 | dondelelcaro | d0ug: fixing your spam filters? |
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| 08:24.59 | johny | CaD, and.. what is the probleme, and how i can fix it? |
| 08:25.02 | sparr | unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. this is most likely because the kernel module was builtusing the wrong kernel source files. |
| 08:25.03 | johny | please :) |
| 08:25.03 | sparr | hooray! |
| 08:25.04 | d0ug | no, not my spam filters, other users of my box |
| 08:25.07 | sparr | so much for THAT idea |
| 08:25.19 | sparr | anyone have any other things i might try, short of another reinstall? |
| 08:25.28 | d0ug | who have hotmail accounts and the like and want to stick to webmailing to one account |
| 08:25.41 | infinity105 | sparr: you sure you want an answer to that eh? |
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| 08:25.58 | CaD | nighty all |
| 08:26.01 | jclinton | Hello everyone. I'm new to Debian and I'm having a strange issue. A package 'exim4-config' says that it has some /etc files installed but they aren't in /etc and doing 'apt-get install --reinstall exim4-config' doesn't install them. What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance. |
| 08:26.17 | sparr | infinity105: helpful answers help. unhelpful answers dont hurt. so feel free. |
| 08:26.23 | caphuso | jclinton: nothing in /etc/exim4? |
| 08:26.30 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.31 | infinity105 | sparr: for which answer? |
| 08:26.35 | jclinton | caphuso, nothing in /etc/exim4/conf.d |
| 08:26.43 | caphuso | jclinton: run "dpkg-reconfigure -f dialog exim4-config" |
| 08:26.46 | sparr | infinity105: whichever |
| 08:26.53 | sparr | rofl |
| 08:26.55 | infinity105 | sparr: very good. |
| 08:27.00 | sparr | depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 08:27.02 | jclinton | caphuso, ok, trying |
| 08:27.21 | sparr | lsmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented |
| 08:27.27 | sparr | i think something ELSE is borked now |
| 08:27.33 | caphuso | !qm_modules |
| 08:27.34 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 08:27.52 | jclinton | caphuso, no the stuff in conf.d did not show up |
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| 08:28.11 | sparr | great |
| 08:28.17 | sparr | of course my networking broke with the new kernel too |
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| 08:28.37 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-conf /var/cache/apt/archives/ exim-blah maybe |
| 08:28.54 | caphuso | jclinton: run "apt-get -d --reinstall install exim4-config && dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config*.deb |
| 08:29.11 | caphuso | jclinton: sorry, run "apt-get -d --reinstall install exim4-config && dpkg -i --force-config /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config*.deb |
| 08:29.19 | caphuso | NO! |
| 08:29.20 | sparr | dhclient says: SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device |
| 08:29.21 | jclinton | ok trying |
| 08:29.30 | sparr | socket: address family not supported by prtocol |
| 08:29.31 | caphuso | jclinton: sorry, run "apt-get -d --reinstall install exim4-config && dpkg -i --force-confnew /var/cache/apt/archives/exim4-config*.deb |
| 08:29.33 | d0ug | sparr: you know of any way to somehow qualify posting copyrighted pics on a site without any business model (ads, memberships, email collection)? Like a "fair use" kind of thing, or maybe educational purposes on photography? know what i'm saying? |
| 08:29.35 | jclinton | lol |
| 08:29.38 | jclinton | ok trying now |
| 08:29.46 | covux | sparr: i can only post how it worked for me. apt-get install latest 2.6.x kernel image/headers and then module-assistant auto-install nvidia (to be sure to get the right headers dont apt-get them and use module-assistant prepare instead) |
| 08:30.49 | sparr | covux: ill try that. |
| 08:30.49 | sparr | i tried to build 2.6.10 myself |
| 08:30.49 | sparr | which fucked up everything |
| 08:30.59 | iMeXdiAC | hi i've got some trouble getting my firewire/ilink connection to a harddrive to work .. well i can mount them view the files and copy them to the harddrive .. but writing to the fwdrive is extremely slow (ext3) and aborts .. what i get is quite a lot of "SBP2_SCSI_STATUS_BUSY" then "aborting sbp2 command" dmesg output .. im on a ppc (ibook) .. updated the kernel (2.6.10) hotplug udev but to no avail |
| 08:30.59 | jetscreamer | heh i built 2.6.10 while i was jackin around just a few ago |
| 08:31.00 | covux | i heard of probs with nvidia and 2.6.10 but this could also be stoopid rumors |
| 08:31.13 | jetscreamer | nvidia+2.6.10 works just fine |
| 08:31.15 | sparr | 2.6.10-1-k7 sound good? :) |
| 08:31.38 | jetscreamer | 2.6.10.1.8610.777 |
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| 08:31.41 | jetscreamer | yeah it works |
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| 08:32.21 | sparr | my networking died when i compiled 2.6.10 |
| 08:32.24 | sparr | gah |
| 08:32.28 | jclinton | caphuso, that didn't work... all the commands exited successfully but the files that are supposed to be in conf.d aren't there.. all the directories are empty |
| 08:32.36 | toresbe | sparr: CLEAR! *BZZZT* |
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| 08:32.42 | sparr | i think out of all the tools i dont have for linux, one to make a kernel config would be the best |
| 08:32.50 | skunk | guys, I'm using debian 2.2, when I issue the shutdown command I get an error like "/dev/null RK_Init ... RH9 not found .. " does anyone know what this means ? |
| 08:32.53 | caphuso | jclinton: hrm... try --force-confmiss instead of --force-confnew |
| 08:32.57 | jclinton | caphuso, is there a way to get a list of the files that are being extracted as it's occuring? |
| 08:33.02 | jclinton | caphuso, ok |
| 08:33.03 | sparr | shouldnt be that complex... analyze the current modules/non-modules to see whats needed |
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| 08:34.10 | noflex | what plugin do i need to play .pls in xmms i'm on sid |
| 08:34.28 | jclinton | caphuso, that did it! yay! |
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| 08:34.32 | jclinton | caphuso, what was it? |
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| 08:35.16 | caphuso | jclinton: dpkg noticed that you didn't have the config files anymore, and considered that be a manual change of the configuration, and manual changes are preserved... |
| 08:35.33 | d0ug | Just to rehash my first q.. if all I want to do is run apache, php/mysql, bind, pop and smtp daemons (IE no X or Doom), and i want stability without losing too much of a performance enhancement that may or may not have come with 2.6.*, a 2.2 kernel is the way to go on an old (maybe six years) box? |
| 08:35.37 | jclinton | caphuso, oh, hum. ok thanks! |
| 08:35.37 | caphuso | but why the config files were gone is a question i can't answer |
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| 08:36.07 | Guerin | d0ug: largely irrelevant which generation of kernel you use |
| 08:36.24 | patois | Hiryu: If some remember the problem I had yesterday: Solved by rebooting (things seems normal now) but no iddea where it came from. |
| 08:36.35 | caphuso | what's the 2.2 counter of unfixed security problems? |
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| 08:36.55 | Guerin | not too far from 2.6 currently :) |
| 08:36.57 | sparr | -1 |
| 08:36.59 | skunk | can anyone help with my question ? |
| 08:37.17 | Herodes | does debian use Xorg? |
| 08:37.20 | caphuso | Herodes: no |
| 08:37.20 | neenee | herodes: no |
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| 08:37.29 | toresbe | Herodes: Alas, not yet :( |
| 08:37.39 | Herodes | oh. |
| 08:37.42 | neenee | herodes: you can use this guide though: <skunk> can anyone help with my question ? |
| 08:37.45 | neenee | er |
| 08:37.47 | neenee | sec |
| 08:37.55 | debian | !tell herodes about xorg |
| 08:37.58 | d0ug | Well, how far back in releases do the kernel guys maintain security updates? a few years? |
| 08:38.00 | neenee | herodes: http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/page/Steve/20040909#installing_a_non_intrusive_x (don't ask for support here though) |
| 08:38.20 | Guerin | d0ug: 2.0 is still being maintained |
| 08:38.34 | neenee | dpkg still has old info on xorg regarding the repository, as that has been dead for quite some days |
| 08:38.34 | dpkg | You are moron #8, neenee |
| 08:38.40 | neenee | .. |
| 08:38.50 | infinity105 | i hate to ask stupid questions. |
| 08:38.56 | neenee | at least i'm not #1 |
| 08:38.59 | infinity105 | how do i know what the default window manager is |
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| 08:39.04 | d0ug | 2.0, huh .. did that come out before win98, which as I understand MS doesn't support anymore? |
| 08:39.16 | neenee | d0ug: indeed. ms does not |
| 08:39.20 | caphuso | infinity105: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
| 08:39.40 | infinity105 | caphuso: whats the default? |
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| 08:40.07 | Guerin | infinity105: /bin/bash |
| 08:40.16 | d0ug | so what you're saying, essentially, is that our kernel posse whoops MS's ass in looking out for us? |
| 08:40.18 | caphuso | infinity105: the one of those you install that has the highest priority |
| 08:40.31 | Herodes | it is about my mouse'problem.Since i changed my woody to Sarge, my mouse is dead into X interface. in gdm does not work, and in kde also. In kde i was said to try using Xorgconif. Any help here? |
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| 08:40.53 | kg | are xeons 64bit? |
| 08:40.55 | patois | d0ug : dont know, 2.0 is 1996 |
| 08:41.05 | PerfDave | Herodes: Are you running x.org? |
| 08:41.12 | PerfDave | Herodes: Did you change your kernel? |
| 08:41.17 | patois | kg: no. |
| 08:41.24 | infinity105 | caphuso: like on a fresh install. mine is sawfish. is that correct for kde? |
| 08:41.30 | d0ug | around when was 1.2.* released? ... my first kernel |
| 08:41.42 | caphuso | infinity105: what? |
| 08:41.46 | patois | Herodes : did you tried to shut down gdm when using X ? |
| 08:42.03 | patois | d0ug : http://ftp.cdut.edu.cn/pub2/linux/kernel/history/Master.html |
| 08:42.10 | d0ug | nice, thanks |
| 08:42.11 | Herodes | PerfDave: dont know if i am using it. My kernel still is 2.4.22 |
| 08:42.15 | jclinton | Anyone have any good tips for customizing your Debian bash prompt and key bindings? |
| 08:42.16 | patois | d0ug : they have a pretty complete list |
| 08:42.32 | PerfDave | Herodes: Well, x.org isn't in standard Debian repositories, you'd have to have made an effort to install it. |
| 08:42.35 | Herodes | patois: i am not able to kill it. |
| 08:42.37 | d0ug | Man, you guys are helpful as always |
| 08:42.39 | PerfDave | Herodes: How did you upgrade Woody to Sarge? |
| 08:42.49 | caphuso | jclinton: same way you do it somewhere else |
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| 08:42.59 | patois | Herodes : /etc/init.d/gdm stop ? |
| 08:43.27 | infinity105 | caphuso: the highest priority? |
| 08:43.27 | infinity105 | caphuso: how do i know what x-windows-managers are avial for linking to? |
| 08:43.31 | Herodes | PerfDave: change soruces.list into testing...., apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:43.36 | caphuso | infinity105: man update-alternatives |
| 08:43.39 | jclinton | caphuso, hum, i guess i should rephrase the question then: |
| 08:43.44 | jclinton | Anyone have any good tips for customizing your bash prompt and key bindings? |
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| 08:43.53 | Herodes | patois: i will try it. |
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| 08:44.01 | caphuso | jclinton: bash-prompt-howto |
| 08:44.04 | PerfDave | Herodes: So your mouse doesn't work, but you can still log into X? |
| 08:44.07 | debian | d0ug: you're nice on good day |
| 08:44.14 | debian | d0ug: we |
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| 08:44.28 | patois | Herodes : If this solve the problem, see on the web, that's an FAQ and there are some workaround to let both working well together. |
| 08:44.55 | DerJamster | jclinton: I pretty much alway leave it at the standard bash prompt design, but what one could do is turn the prompt to root@blah# in bright red colors whenever one su's into root or something. |
| 08:45.07 | d0ug | well, even when you're hostile, you're still helpful -- either by telling me to read man pages or kickbanning me so that i am forced to work things out myself.. tough love, dig? |
| 08:45.19 | Herodes | patois: yes. When X startx, my console mouse stop working too |
| 08:45.30 | lizsac | plz neegro |
| 08:45.34 | d0ug | Herodes: sounds like you're running debian |
| 08:45.37 | covux | sparr: any success? ive just done the steps ive posted cause i recognized iam still on 2.6.9. now 2.6.10 is running with nvidia.. |
| 08:45.38 | lizsac | ya dig my jive |
| 08:45.43 | infinity105 | shite. somehow i borked kde. |
| 08:45.46 | jclinton | DerJamster, I would really like the PgUP and PgDN keys to complete from the command history... I saw this on a Gentoo box once and I'm not sure how it was done. |
| 08:45.48 | infinity105 | apt-get dist-upgrade ....borked it. |
| 08:45.53 | sparr | woo, 2.6.10-1-k7 brought back networking |
| 08:45.56 | sparr | ill be trying nvidia soon |
| 08:46.07 | Herodes | patois, once i get stop gdm,,,,,what do i do? |
| 08:46.08 | PerfDave | sparr: /msg dpkg nvidia, read the URL, use module-assistant |
| 08:46.09 | sparr | covux: using nvidia isntaller? |
| 08:46.15 | sparr | PerfDave: stfukthx. |
| 08:46.19 | d0ug | ahh your F'ed now, dist-upgrade can be a mean son'bitch |
| 08:46.26 | covux | sparr: yep. as i wrote before.. |
| 08:46.29 | Herodes | d0ug, if i am running debian? |
| 08:46.36 | lizsac | dist-upgrade ate my baby! |
| 08:46.45 | DerJamster | jclinton: No idea :) I didn't even know that worked. |
| 08:46.45 | Guerin | PerfDave: meet sparr, #debian's latest incurable fuckwit |
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| 08:46.48 | PerfDave | sparr: *shrug* If you want to fuck your system using the nvidia installer, be my guest, asshole. |
| 08:47.17 | jclinton | DerJamster, yea it's really nice. Like you can type "less " and then hit PgUP to go through the list of things you recently read with less. |
| 08:47.18 | covux | sparr: module-assistant! not nvidia installer.. |
| 08:47.19 | d0ug | herodes: i was joking sorta.. such a simple and common problem that really should have been figured out long ago.. ahh nevermind, wasn't that funny |
| 08:47.37 | sparr | PerfDave: since youve been here for hours, youve seen a dozen OTHER people give me those instructions. and youve seen me follow them. and youve seen me paste the error message it has produced. |
| 08:48.02 | infinity105 | sawfish is used primarily with gnome? |
| 08:48.03 | PerfDave | sparr: No, I haven't been here for hours. Hours ago I was tucked up in bed having an interesting dream about making my old French teacher cry. |
| 08:48.09 | kg | can anyone here help me.. I know its a big ask in pm about recompiling a RHEL Kernel just to change the kernel HZ value would be great |
| 08:48.11 | caphuso | infinity105: not anymore |
| 08:48.12 | sparr | my responses to that particular bit of instruction will get increasingly less friendly as the night goes on. |
| 08:48.13 | Guerin | oo-er! |
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| 08:48.25 | sparr | the first 4 got "thanks". the next 4 got "i tried that". |
| 08:48.25 | PerfDave | sparr: Just deal with the error messages you get, it rarely works first time. |
| 08:48.27 | Guerin | !mhallsmite sparr |
| 08:48.27 | dpkg | Fuck sparr. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 08:48.28 | d0ug | ahh.. french teacher childhood memories |
| 08:48.33 | Herodes | d0ug, for me is important....cause i am trying my baby to use debian instead of Xp...but, with no mouse....i am really fucked. |
| 08:48.38 | PerfDave | sparr: The less friendly you are, the less likely you are to get helped. |
| 08:48.39 | tarzeau | kg: do you know where you are? |
| 08:48.49 | sparr | PerfDave: the error message is unresolved symbols. its a known bug. not something i can fix, im sure. |
| 08:48.51 | jclinton | Anyone know of a way to easily configure less to send .gz files through zcat on Debian? Or of a way to have Debian store everything in /usr/share/doc uncompressed instead? |
| 08:48.51 | d0ug | "in the asshole with a big rubber dick" = george carlin line |
| 08:49.01 | caphuso | jclinton: man lesspipe |
| 08:49.05 | toresbe | jclinton: zless :) |
| 08:49.08 | jclinton | caphuso, thanks |
| 08:49.08 | PerfDave | sparr: That's normally pretty easy to fix, and means you don't have the relevant kernel headers installed. |
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| 08:49.15 | kg | tarzeau noone is helping me in the rh chan :( haha |
| 08:49.16 | sparr | PerfDave: except... i do. |
| 08:49.24 | PerfDave | sparr: Did you read the troubleshooting section of the relevant page? |
| 08:49.27 | tarzeau | kg: haha. what about you remove redhat and install debian? |
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| 08:49.37 | kg | yeah well, I dont have local access to the box :P |
| 08:49.41 | kg | its in the d/c |
| 08:49.42 | jclinton | toresbe, thanks |
| 08:49.46 | tarzeau | kg: one can do it remote |
| 08:49.49 | sparr | PerfDave: yes. |
| 08:49.58 | infinity105 | lol |
| 08:49.58 | kg | yeha, but it has such devices as drac cards etc, |
| 08:49.59 | PerfDave | sparr: Read it again then ;) |
| 08:50.03 | infinity105 | someone gnome killed my kde when i did apt-get distupgrade |
| 08:50.09 | tarzeau | kg: i don't know what drac cards are |
| 08:50.14 | sparr | ive been through a dist-upgrade and a new kernel. ive had plenty of time to read every relevant doc that has been linked to. |
| 08:50.19 | covux | sparr: plz plz just do as i posted u before.. it w o r k s. ive just done it like that 2 mins ago |
| 08:50.31 | tarzeau | infinity105: want to try gnustep? |
| 08:50.37 | PerfDave | sparr: If you're using a new kernel, then you need to install the headers for the new kernel too. |
| 08:50.44 | PerfDave | Anyway, screw you guys, I'm off to work. |
| 08:50.48 | patois | "it works for me" syndrom ;-) |
| 08:51.01 | sparr | patois: i get that a lot |
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| 08:51.24 | sparr | covux: lol, module-assistant failed... then worked the second try. weird |
| 08:51.26 | d0ug | perf: suppose I put a few hundred pics in a directory and I want my web server to display one at a time randomly on refreshes .. is that basic PHP stuff, something that could be done on the apache confing, or a script that constantly renames files? |
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| 08:51.48 | PerfDave | sparr: If it doesn't work, file a bug against module-assistant with the details of what you have done and what errors you get. |
| 08:52.03 | PerfDave | d0ug: http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/ should have a drop-in Perl script to do that for you. |
| 08:52.06 | covux | sparr: worked means u able to load the module?!? |
| 08:52.09 | caphuso | but only if it actually is a m-a bug |
| 08:52.13 | d0ug | beautiful, thanks |
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| 08:52.42 | infinity105 | tarzeau: gnustep? uhh ...yes? heh |
| 08:52.42 | infinity105 | tarzeau: whats gnustep all about? |
| 08:52.42 | infinity105 | tarzeau: i'd look on google but i'm stuck with txt mode for the moment. |
| 08:52.52 | Herodes | patois, once i stop gmd, what must i do? |
| 08:52.53 | tarzeau | infinity105: apt-cache show gnustep |
| 08:52.53 | sparr | covux: worked means it didnt give errors. will tell you if it loads after this reboot :) |
| 08:53.00 | patois | d0ug : Can a rewrite rule do that ? |
| 08:53.01 | PerfDave | d0ug: In fact, apt-cache show nms-rand-image and nms-ssi-rand-image |
| 08:53.04 | tarzeau | infinity105: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnustep gnustep-devel wmaker |
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| 08:53.19 | patois | Herodes : starting X to see if it works. |
| 08:53.39 | PerfDave | sparr: You don't need to reboot, that's the point of m-a. You run it, modprobe the module and off you go. |
| 08:53.52 | d0ug | patois: i imagine so, if it renames files randomly to the name that's on the html tag |
| 08:54.24 | sparr | PerfDave: yes, but id like to know that its going to work next time i reboot. so i reboot now. |
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| 08:54.35 | sparr | i HATE changing things, them working, then a week later i reboot and they break |
| 08:54.37 | patois | d0ug : so you may have a solution with this.. |
| 08:54.38 | PerfDave | sparr: If it doesn't, it's udev's fault. |
| 08:54.52 | PerfDave | sparr: And if it doesn't, the way to fix it is specified on that page. |
| 08:54.59 | covux | a reboot gives us all a bit of rest ;-) |
| 08:55.03 | d0ug | patois: sounds like Perf has the quick fix |
| 08:55.09 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:55.13 | patois | d0ug: OK, great :-) |
| 08:55.14 | Guerin | before you reboot |
| 08:55.14 | d0ug | but what would you do |
| 08:55.28 | d0ug | or in what language, rather |
| 08:55.39 | Guerin | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 08:56.02 | patois | d0ug: I dont know if rewite rules langauge has something to genrate randommness (id doubt) |
| 08:56.05 | sparr | roflmao |
| 08:56.06 | PerfDave | d0ug: I'd use the off-the-shelf apt-gettable Perl script, 'cause I trust the guys who wrote it and it'd be easy ;) |
| 08:56.10 | sparr | lol |
| 08:56.15 | sparr | so, it reboots... |
| 08:56.18 | sparr | and X cant start |
| 08:56.20 | d0ug | true, true Dave |
| 08:56.31 | sparr | because the nvidia driver, it seems, doesnt support 4 bit color :) |
| 08:56.58 | toresbe | sparr: This is an OUTRAGE! :) |
| 08:57.00 | PerfDave | sparr: Why the fuck are you using 4 bit colour? |
| 08:57.27 | d0ug | all drivers notwithstanding, if there is any demand for any function that is codeable, it's been coded already |
| 08:57.54 | d0ug | or so it seems from my experience |
| 08:58.16 | PerfDave | d0ug: Especially in Perl, in my experience. There's a module for just about everything on CPAN :) |
| 08:58.21 | sparr | PerfDave: because thats what the installer set as the default when i set up X the first time. |
| 08:58.22 | d0ug | all you need to know is how to pico and read #comment instructions |
| 08:58.40 | sparr | heh |
| 08:58.48 | sparr | now, time to set up my uber NV10 :) |
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| 08:59.05 | covux | sparr: the wartgnome will get you... thats for sure |
| 08:59.10 | PerfDave | sparr: The installer set up *4* bit colour as the default when you told it to autodetect everything? Are you *sure* about that? |
| 08:59.31 | Guerin | yes, he is sure |
| 08:59.37 | Guerin | but that don't mean that's how it was |
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| 08:59.45 | PerfDave | Guerin: Good point. |
| 08:59.50 | sparr | PerfDave: it didnt have an option to autodetect everything |
| 08:59.54 | sparr | i still had to pick the X server |
| 08:59.57 | d0ug | But can blender3d projects be converted to something Joe IE-User can view in a non-straight video format? |
| 09:00.10 | d0ug | like, dare i say, flash format? |
| 09:00.13 | PerfDave | sparr: In that case, it didn't set a default colour depth, it gave you a list to select from |
| 09:00.21 | sparr | PerfDave: no, THAT it did automatically |
| 09:00.32 | Guerin | sparr: bullshite |
| 09:00.36 | sparr | probably, i expect, when it automatically detected my monitor and/or video card |
| 09:00.50 | sparr | the only decision i had to make for X was the server |
| 09:00.56 | PerfDave | sparr: riiiight. |
| 09:01.18 | Guerin | sparr: well that's funny, since there's only one x server in debian |
| 09:01.18 | Guerin | you don't GET a choice |
| 09:01.18 | sparr | which, actually, is the exact same thing it had me pick just now when i did dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:01.23 | iMeXdiAC | hmm if i want to mount a hfsplus partion hotplug must have some check or another tool that only lets to mount me it read-only :( .. with the msg HFS+-fs warning: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended. mounting read-only... so how do i issue the fsck.hfsplus or override the check |
| 09:01.38 | sparr | Guerin: of course there is. thats why i have a list of ~20 here on dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:01.40 | d0ug | Ok time to embark on a new deb install.. good thing I have plenty of adderall left. So much for getting this done in an all-nighter |
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| 09:01.48 | d0ug | THank you all for the help, much appreciated |
| 09:01.53 | sparr | including vga, vesa, nv, nvidia |
| 09:01.55 | Guerin | sparr: check your head. |
| 09:02.03 | PerfDave | sparr: Those aren't X servers. They're display drivers. |
| 09:02.09 | Guerin | sparr: those are as much X servers as they are web servers. |
| 09:02.34 | Guerin | sparr: see, your problem is that you presume that you know what's going on, instead of checking. |
| 09:02.49 | sparr | Select the desired X server driver |
| 09:02.50 | sparr | my bad |
| 09:02.52 | Guerin | and you presume that peoples' advice to you is wrong instead of trying it. |
| 09:02.53 | Bogaurd | argh, my woody box has issues :\i just upgraded to a real kernel (2.4) and now when i boot, i get hundreds of error messages, and no networking works :( i was reviously on an install kernal |
| 09:02.59 | sparr | but, this sucks |
| 09:03.07 | sparr | now it is making me manually configure my monitor |
| 09:03.08 | sparr | :( |
| 09:03.09 | Bogaurd | previously* |
| 09:03.19 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: Which "real kernel"? |
| 09:03.32 | PerfDave | sparr: It'll have the defaults it autodetected at install, just press enter. |
| 09:03.39 | d0ug | sparr: check whatever monitor's on the default setting and grab it from pricewatch.com |
| 09:03.42 | sparr | PerfDave: heh, including 4-bit color :) |
| 09:03.43 | Guerin | Bogaurd: probe the driver for your nic. |
| 09:03.49 | PerfDave | sparr: Riiight |
| 09:03.49 | Bogaurd | PerfDave: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386 |
| 09:03.51 | Guerin | Bogaurd: and ignore the warnings |
| 09:04.08 | Bogaurd | Guerin, how can i probe the driver for my nic? |
| 09:04.13 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: So read the error messages, specifically regarding your network card, and fix them. |
| 09:04.15 | Bogaurd | modprobe.... |
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| 09:04.18 | Guerin | Bogaurd: modprove <modulename> |
| 09:04.23 | Guerin | s/v/b/ |
| 09:04.39 | Bogaurd | Guerin i dont know the module names, and the errors fly up the screen to fast to read |
| 09:04.40 | sparr | seriously |
| 09:04.45 | Guerin | Bogaurd: what nic? |
| 09:04.48 | sparr | 1 4 8 15 16 24 |
| 09:04.53 | sparr | thats what it has selected |
| 09:04.55 | sparr | 4 |
| 09:04.58 | Guerin | !wgaf |
| 09:04.58 | dpkg | Who Gives A Fuck? |
| 09:05.03 | Guerin | not me, dpkg |
| 09:05.09 | Guerin | anyone else? |
| 09:05.30 | Bogaurd | Guerin, not exectly sure, 2 cheapies in there, i think one might be a realtek - they both worked fine when i installed |
| 09:05.31 | rob0 | I can't afford to give them; I sell them |
| 09:05.37 | Guerin | Bogaurd: lspci |
| 09:05.42 | Bogaurd | ok |
| 09:05.44 | Guerin | rob0: fair play. |
| 09:05.56 | PerfDave | sparr: If you think this is wrong, file a low-priority bug against the package, specifying your graphics chipset, X version etc. and suggesting that the autodetect routine should be corrected. |
| 09:05.57 | sparr | hooray |
| 09:05.58 | sparr | X! |
| 09:06.41 | Bogaurd | Guerin: accton tech corp smc2-1211tx (rev 10) & SIS sis900 |
| 09:06.44 | d0ug | Yes! cPanel finally supports Debian |
| 09:06.47 | rob0 | PerfDave, go to work or I'll tell your French teacher |
| 09:06.55 | stew | !fuck cpanel |
| 09:07.09 | sparr | PerfDave: doesnt bother me. and im boycotting the bugs system til they move out of the stone age (read: email bug system) |
| 09:07.15 | d0ug | hey it's not for me, it's for the People |
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| 09:07.21 | Guerin | eeew, sc |
| 09:07.24 | Guerin | smc |
| 09:07.25 | sparr | which, it seems, is forever |
| 09:07.31 | PerfDave | sparr: Uhm, the bugs system *does* work via e-mail |
| 09:07.37 | sparr | exactly |
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| 09:07.46 | sparr | state of the art... 15 years ago. |
| 09:07.48 | Bogaurd | Guerin: cheapies :) |
| 09:08.03 | PerfDave | sparr: So how should it work? |
| 09:08.09 | Guerin | !advocacy troll |
| 09:08.09 | dpkg | advocacy troll is, like, a term that greycat made up to describe a troll who demands action (typically unreasonable or unachievable) "for the good of Debian". Example: "Debian needs to have a graphical installer to make it easier for end users to increase its market share!" Example: "The BTS should have a web interface for submitting bugs so we can have vague, misspelled, irreproducible PEBKAC errors and no way to contact the submitter!" |
| 09:08.17 | Guerin | sparr: ^^^ |
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| 09:08.33 | Bogaurd | Guerin, so how can i find out the module names from this? |
| 09:08.37 | Guerin | Bogaurd: egrep 'SIS|SMC' /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 09:08.42 | sparr | bugzilla maybe. sourceforge bug tracker. something custom. id even settle for a console bug reporter that didnt require a MTA. |
| 09:08.55 | PerfDave | sparr: (a) if you're not bothered by it, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU WHINING, and (b) if you're not prepared to run TWO FUCKING COMMANDS to fix it, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU WHINING? |
| 09:09.03 | Guerin | sparr: it doesn't require a MTA. It requires a mail client. Don't you have one of thosse? |
| 09:09.14 | PerfDave | sparr: But all Debian systems require an MTA :) |
| 09:09.15 | sparr | Guerin: no, the box in question doesnt do anything with email. |
| 09:09.25 | Guerin | sparr: by boycotting the BTS, you give up your rights to whine about anything in debian. |
| 09:09.27 | sparr | doesnt send, doesnt recieve. doesnt read. |
| 09:09.30 | PerfDave | sparr: Web-based bug reporting systems result in people filing bad bugs. |
| 09:09.52 | PerfDave | sparr: So use reportbug, output to a text file, copy the file to a box which *does* have e-mail and send the report from there. WFM. |
| 09:09.53 | Guerin | sparr: so? use reportbug to generate a bugreport and send it from any box you like |
| 09:09.57 | d0ug | is linux-ntfs pretty sturdy yet? |
| 09:10.06 | Guerin | sparr: and IAC, any debian box should have a MTA installed. |
| 09:10.10 | patois | sparr: if connnected to the internet, it can certain telnet to the port 25 of something that will send it. |
| 09:10.12 | Guerin | d0ug: no. |
| 09:10.19 | sparr | PerfDave: if i ever encounter a bug that takes more time to circumvent or fix than doing that, i shall. |
| 09:10.28 | Bogaurd | Guerin, that spat out a whole bunch of stuff, i will try to modprobe the appropriate looking modules |
| 09:10.48 | sparr | patois: yeah, i noticed options to that effect during install. never looked into them. how hard is that to set up? |
| 09:10.49 | Guerin | Bogaurd: yeah. Get the ones in the 'ehternet' section :) |
| 09:10.56 | PerfDave | sparr: Well, the problem you've been having this morning has taken longer to fix than the scant minutes it takes to reportbug. |
| 09:11.07 | Bogaurd | Guerin, i doesnt have any sections |
| 09:11.08 | sparr | PerfDave: the problem i have been having this morning has already been reported |
| 09:11.13 | PerfDave | sparr: But if you won't report bugs, you lose bitching rights. |
| 09:11.22 | PerfDave | sparr: How convenient. Should've checked the BTS first ;) |
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| 09:11.33 | d0ug | Guerin: would you advise using samba versus that to webserve data off a separate win box with apache on the other? |
| 09:11.36 | Bogaurd | Guerin, it just says stuff like: CONFIG_FB_SIS=m |
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| 09:11.41 | rob0 | d0ug, they say ntfs write support is safe but not quite full-featured. Read support has been good for a long time. |
| 09:11.46 | sparr | PerfDave: why? knowing it exists didnt help. made me feel less stupid, but didnt help. |
| 09:11.57 | d0ug | just need read support.. colpasetic in that regards? |
| 09:12.04 | PerfDave | sparr: Well, now you can append a workaround to the bug report, can't you? |
| 09:12.04 | patois | sparr: well, telnet smtp.myfai.tld 25 then HELO, from: recipient-to: and... well the protocol is easy to follow, event by hands. You cutr and pastel your report and that's done. |
| 09:12.05 | Guerin | Bogaurd: yeah. That says FB, which means framebuffer. You're looking for modules with ETH or NET or something |
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| 09:12.30 | patois | sparr: But any MTA will do that for you far faster and easier. |
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| 09:12.37 | sparr | PerfDave: lol. you want to submit the "upgrade to 2.6" workaround? |
| 09:12.46 | Guerin | Bogaurd: and the names aren't always identical - grep through /lib/modules/*something to find what they're really called, or use modconf |
| 09:12.52 | what | why does dpkg-reconfigure exim do nothing? |
| 09:13.00 | jm_ | because exim doesn't use debconf |
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| 09:13.07 | Bogaurd | Guerin, ok :) |
| 09:13.12 | sparr | what: maybe your debconf question level is set to critical? |
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| 09:13.26 | streuner_ | what: use 'eximconf' or whatever |
| 09:13.26 | PerfDave | sparr: I'm not the one having a problem here. |
| 09:13.29 | Guerin | sparr: if you don't know (and you DON'T), please don't guess |
| 09:13.29 | what | jm_, how can i rerun the guided config that i saw when i installed exim |
| 09:13.30 | what | ah ok |
| 09:13.32 | sparr | 0310 <PerfDave> sparr: Web-based bug reporting systems result in people filing bad bugs. |
| 09:13.33 | patois | what: first time eximconf is run. Then you can rerun it by hand, but it will overwrite your previous settings. |
| 09:13.36 | directhex|work | what, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 09:13.39 | jm_ | what: see above, dpkg -L exim is your friend |
| 09:13.41 | sparr | email-based bug reporting systems result in people not filing bugs. |
| 09:13.44 | Guerin | sparr: after all, we don't want EVERYONE to be as confused as you are. |
| 09:13.44 | PerfDave | what: "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" in Sarge, /sbin/eximconfig in Woody |
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| 09:14.22 | PerfDave | sparr: Yeah, because nobody files bugs when it's as easy as typing "reportbug foo" which generates a sane bug report with all the system, version and dependency information filled in. |
| 09:14.23 | d0ug | who currently has the superior (in general) processor in stores, amd or intel? |
| 09:14.25 | caphuso | you can file the bug using a web mail account... |
| 09:14.35 | what | if i try an apt-get install exim4-config, it says mysql-server will be removed. i dont want that. |
| 09:14.35 | sparr | Guerin: i could give him a solution... to a completely different problem. since that seems to be SOP here. |
| 09:14.54 | Guerin | Bogaurd: no, please don't msg me. modconf is your best bet; just browse. |
| 09:15.14 | Guerin | sparr: because some fuckwit gave you bad advice hours ago, you think that's how we do. Pure class. |
| 09:15.14 | pablob | hi, does anyone have a fix for the 'smb_trans2' bug in the testing kernel? |
| 09:15.17 | streuner_ | what: sarge? |
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| 09:15.28 | what | streuner_, yep |
| 09:15.32 | sparr | what: http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 09:15.37 | streuner_ | what: /topic |
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| 09:16.02 | streuner_ | what: - here BTS |
| 09:16.16 | d0ug | why the Natalie Portman fad amongst Debian users? |
| 09:16.23 | sparr | Guerin: two fuckwits, same advice. four other fuckwits defending them after they admitted it was bad advice. three MORE fuckwits arguing that the advice was probably correct and I just followed it wrong. |
| 09:16.26 | Guerin | um, exim4-config shouldn't cause mysql-server to go |
| 09:16.31 | d0ug | was it the geisha white makeup in star wars that did it? |
| 09:16.40 | streuner_ | Guerin: yeah :-) |
| 09:16.44 | Guerin | !eviscerate sparr |
| 09:16.44 | dpkg | sparr was eviscerated by a fiend. S/he will not be mourned. |
| 09:17.06 | sparr | rofl |
| 09:17.14 | sparr | i just turned to my new linux box... |
| 09:17.39 | Guerin | d0ug: I think you're mistaking slashdotters for debian users |
| 09:17.51 | sparr | and completely blanked out on what i actually wanted to accomplish with it 6 hours ago when i started this install |
| 09:17.58 | jclinton | Guerin: are they mutually exclusive? |
| 09:18.08 | Guerin | jclinton: not at all. |
| 09:18.09 | d0ug | Guerin: yes but if i said slashdotters it wouldn't be on topic for the channel |
| 09:18.18 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:18.20 | d0ug | :) |
| 09:18.22 | streuner_ | what: - if that doesn't work just install postfix or another MTA |
| 09:18.30 | sparr | ugh |
| 09:18.31 | sparr | gnome |
| 09:18.36 | sparr | i forgot how little i liked gnome |
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| 09:18.47 | Guerin | speaking of slashdot... |
| 09:18.55 | Guerin | sparr: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/11/new_pcs_for_old_people/ # this is what you need |
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| 09:19.21 | Guerin | fta: The PC will be idiot-proof, simPC promises. |
| 09:19.23 | what | streuner_, its a new box, i'll just say "yes" then exim will run its config again (where from though?) |
| 09:19.30 | Guerin | sparr: you should have been a stress-tester |
| 09:20.05 | sparr | is there any way i can re-run the autodetection stuff for X that ran during the debian install? |
| 09:20.17 | streuner_ | Guerin: haha - idiot-proofed :-) |
| 09:20.45 | Guerin | streuner_: good luck to them, I say. |
| 09:20.52 | sparr | hey, i DO have email on this box |
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| 09:20.57 | sparr | a mistake, but a good one |
| 09:21.00 | sparr | forgot i needed it |
| 09:21.21 | streuner_ | what: pardon? |
| 09:21.26 | d0ug | are there any CPU usage quota/cap warez to limit users' ability to max out the processor to a 20 load |
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| 09:21.37 | patois | Guerin: Every attempts to sell emasculated PCs (webTV and such) have failed until now. |
| 09:21.38 | sparr | now, to convert an old unix email autoresponder to linux. this should be fun :) |
| 09:21.45 | sparr | hmm, convert? port? whatever. |
| 09:21.46 | directhex|work | d0ug, a cluebat |
| 09:22.05 | Guerin | patois: let's see how the MiniMac (which, to me, sounds like a vibrator) goes |
| 09:22.17 | d0ug | either dpkg does not know what cluebat is or he is mocking me |
| 09:22.19 | patois | d0ug: you can try things with 'set limits' ? |
| 09:22.30 | streuner_ | what: find out what version of exim you have already installed, i have no clue about sarge and what version it installs by default |
| 09:22.41 | directhex|work | Guerin, it's cheap and sexy. some of us LIKE cheap and sexy |
| 09:22.52 | patois | Guerin: that may work; because it's a full system; a bit like a non movable laptop. |
| 09:22.52 | d0ug | patois: i'll look into that, not sure why you ended that with a ? mark |
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| 09:22.54 | streuner_ | what: could be version 3 or 4 |
| 09:22.59 | Guerin | directhex|work: just like Mrs Hex, then :) |
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| 09:23.02 | fatal__ | streuner_: 4 is default in sarge. |
| 09:23.11 | jm_ | streuner_: exim always means 3 |
| 09:23.25 | pablob | sparr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 09:23.37 | sparr | pablob: that makes me pick everything, no autodetect :( |
| 09:23.55 | streuner_ | what: so you have heard what the guys just told me, if you don't find any solution just install postfix or another MTA |
| 09:23.56 | DerJamster | jm_: wha? |
| 09:24.03 | fatal__ | yeah, the new packages are all named exim4* .... and btw. I have both exim4-config and mysql-server installed so they shouldn't conflict. |
| 09:24.06 | what | streuner_, yep |
| 09:24.06 | patois | d0ug : because i?m not sure CPU limits syntax allow a syntax forf "yes until load is 20" |
| 09:24.12 | what | danke |
| 09:24.20 | streuner_ | np |
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| 09:24.52 | DerJamster | d0ug: can't limit the percentage of CPU use..you can only limit CPU time, AFAIK. |
| 09:24.56 | d0ug | i threw out 20 as a hypothetical |
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| 09:25.08 | streuner_ | what: how come that apt-get install exim4-config wants to remove your mysql-server package? |
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| 09:25.23 | fatal__ | sparr: if you have a newer monitor you can use read-edid (get-edid|parse-edid) to get the configuration for your monitor. |
| 09:25.23 | d0ug | ok, but how about an MTU-like thing to give all processes a chance every few flops? |
| 09:25.24 | DerJamster | There is a patch for a CPU usage percentage cap, but that's for 2.4 only methinks. |
| 09:25.28 | d0ug | or is that what they call multi threading? |
| 09:25.48 | jm_ | d0ug: kernel gives them a chance, according to priorities - man nice |
| 09:25.48 | streuner_ | what: do you have other than official sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:25.55 | what | streuner_, dpkg says its a conflict |
| 09:26.14 | what | streuner_, nope |
| 09:26.26 | d0ug | ahh i was always wondering what nice did |
| 09:26.34 | streuner_ | what: show us in #flood |
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| 09:26.42 | what | sure |
| 09:27.14 | patois | d0ug : the scheduler gives CPU to each process at a time. How often it give to a given process depends on the nice value (and a few other things) |
| 09:27.15 | patois | $ |
| 09:27.24 | Bogaurd | Guerin - i had a look in modconf: i found the sis one, but couldnt get any of the 4 smc modules mentioned working. when i installed debian, i didnt choose any smc ethernet things, and they worked ok |
| 09:27.40 | d0ug | now that makes sense |
| 09:27.54 | what | streuner_, done |
| 09:27.57 | d0ug | just when i thought linux couldn't get any leeter. |
| 09:28.15 | sparr | fatal__: yes, but thats not what the installer uses |
| 09:28.16 | what | nice for disk io would be, err.. nice :) |
| 09:28.20 | patois | d0ug : this is just multitasking. |
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| 09:28.49 | d0ug | yeah but now i understand it conceptually.. |
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| 09:29.15 | d0ug | we've come a long way from alt-tabbing |
| 09:29.23 | jm_ | what: there is one for CFQ scheduler, not in the kernel yet though |
| 09:29.31 | streuner_ | what: just run 'apt-setup' and change all lines from "woody/stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list to 'sarge' |
| 09:29.54 | Bogaurd | does anyone know what module i need for my 'accton tech corp smc2-1211tx (rev 10)' |
| 09:29.57 | Bogaurd | ? |
| 09:30.01 | Guerin | Bogaurd: CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC=y in my stock 2.6.8 |
| 09:30.03 | patois | d0ug : a load of 20 usually means that 20 process wants all cpu: the scheduler gives each one a 20iest (if equal nice and such) so each one is 20 time slower than if left alone. Of course if no swapping and such. |
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| 09:30.17 | Guerin | Bogaurd: if that's the right module, you wouldn't have to probe anything, it should just work |
| 09:30.23 | patois | d0ug : multitasking is 30 years old, at least ;-) |
| 09:30.29 | Guerin | Bogaurd: otherwise, I dunno, sorry. |
| 09:30.43 | Bogaurd | :( ok |
| 09:30.46 | d0ug | oh i thought that was like a waiting list for the newest process to be executed |
| 09:30.47 | Bogaurd | i am gonna eat some dinner |
| 09:30.50 | Bogaurd | :D |
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| 09:31.14 | Guerin | d0ug: well, it is; but since this happens in thousandths of seconds, it's not usually that much of a wait |
| 09:31.22 | patois | d0ug : that would be unusable :-) That's not a batch system! |
| 09:32.07 | d0ug | hot damn you guys know your shit |
| 09:32.12 | Guerin | hahaha |
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| 09:33.07 | d0ug | i ain't jiving neither.. y'all bat a thousand whenever i got a question |
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| 09:33.38 | d0ug | if I had too much money, I'd throw some your way, people of #debian |
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| 09:34.05 | patois | d0ug : you can just buy CDs or T-shirt at the debian shop i guess. |
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| 09:34.54 | Guerin | d0ug: donate to the SPI |
| 09:34.54 | hoe_ | Hi all! How can I prevent spinning up of hard drive when I spin it down with `hdparm -y /dev/hdx` ; it's a router machine located in my room where I sleep, most of noise is generated by 7200rpm - the one and only - hdd and I don't want to fall asleep by that noise if there's a way to tell the kernel 'if you really doesn't need to read/write sth to hdd, don't spin it up' |
| 09:34.55 | sparr | why would i be getting X server errors in the background while running vim? |
| 09:35.00 | patois | dont they have ? |
| 09:35.08 | rmrfchik | re |
| 09:35.12 | Guerin | !vaguenesssmite sparr |
| 09:35.20 | jhaig | How can I measure the total amount downloaded over time? I want to know if it is worth getting a broadband connection with a monthly usage limit. I am using Debian as a proxy server. |
| 09:35.22 | d0ug | Guerrin: i'll try to remember that when my ship comes in |
| 09:35.27 | what | streuner_, fatal__ thanks for your help |
| 09:35.52 | Guerin | jhaig: mrtg or somesuch |
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| 09:36.21 | patois | d0ug : seems thy dont (I thought they had) |
| 09:36.30 | sparr | Guerin: i am immune to dpkg |
| 09:36.37 | jhaig | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 09:36.42 | chemaja | sparr: "if(smitten) channel.faq.read();" |
| 09:36.51 | jm_ | jhaig: munin will show you graphs for squid, or use various squid logfile analyzers |
| 09:36.53 | Guerin | jhaig: there are clever scripts which throttle your bandwidth down when you get too far ahead of your average downloadage; like if you're at day 15 and you've done 75% already, it'll choke you down to 50% bandwidth, etc. |
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| 09:37.29 | blackcell | Hello all |
| 09:37.39 | patois | jhaig: you can just look at ifconfig; there are info about the transmitted bandwidth. But I guess that's what mrtg do in a nicer way for the user. |
| 09:37.47 | Guerin | my mate in NZ runs into it all the time - 2mbit connection with a 5GB/month cap |
| 09:37.55 | caphuso | heh |
| 09:38.09 | jm_ | sounds annoying |
| 09:38.09 | blackcell | Has any one got Cheops-NG to work on Debian?? |
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| 09:38.30 | Herodes | yesterday, here i aske for my mouse problem born when i migrated from woody to sarge. I was said to change device from /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice....but it did not work?. Any more sugestion please? |
| 09:38.58 | streuner_ | jm_: why do you need 2mbit with a 5GB limit, indeed. |
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| 09:39.01 | d0ug | firefox: mem leaks tightened yet? |
| 09:39.03 | fatal__ | Herodes: /dev/input/mice emulates an ImPS/2 no matter which mouse you have... |
| 09:39.07 | hoe_ | Herodes: modprobe [psmouse|usbmouse|...] |
| 09:39.09 | patois | I'm only using less than a kb on average ;-) |
| 09:39.16 | jhaig | jm_: Will munin take into account stuff that is cached, and therefore not downloaded again? I assume it will. |
| 09:39.20 | Guerin | streuner_: the alternative was 256 with a 10GB limit |
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| 09:39.28 | blackcell | Has any one got Cheops-NG to work on Debian?? |
| 09:39.32 | Guerin | streuner_: for slightly cheaper, but not much. |
| 09:39.37 | streuner_ | Guerin: sounds better to me. |
| 09:39.39 | Herodes | fatal__, my mouse is ps/2 |
| 09:39.48 | jm_ | jhaig: I didn't look into it in great details - logfile analyzers will do much better job |
| 09:39.52 | Guerin | streuner_: yeah, I'd probably go for that too. |
| 09:40.14 | streuner_ | Guerin: 5Gigs are nothing |
| 09:40.19 | patois | (OK, I go, see ya) |
| 09:40.31 | Guerin | streuner_: yeah. |
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| 09:40.52 | fatal__ | Herodes: yes, but the protocol... the "language" the mouse speeks.... there's logitech language, microsoft (intellimouse) language, and so on.... /dev/input/mice always talks with applications using the ImPS/2 protocol (even if you have a logitech mouse). |
| 09:40.54 | Guerin | streuner_: I can do that in a bit over an hour :) |
| 09:40.55 | streuner_ | Guerin: you are running only sid, that's enough |
| 09:41.01 | blackcell | has anyone run into this problem checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found |
| 09:41.01 | d0ug | 24! In and out at 24Mb/s? |
| 09:41.01 | blackcell | configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install |
| 09:41.10 | Guerin | streuner_: I run sarge too :) |
| 09:41.30 | Guerin | d0ug: no, out is somewhat lower ... maybe 10Mbit |
| 09:41.39 | DerJamster | Guerin: That's not the connection you have at home, right? The 24MBit. |
| 09:41.55 | Guerin | d0ug: I've served 5x250kBps off ftp |
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| 09:42.00 | Guerin | DerJamster: it is. |
| 09:42.01 | d0ug | Not too shabby! |
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| 09:42.02 | Herodes | fatal__, dont underesrand what you wanna say. Might i change it= |
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| 09:42.05 | jm_ | blackcell: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:42.09 | d0ug | What does that run you a month, Guerin |
| 09:42.13 | DerJamster | Guerin: Where do you live, and do you have a spare room for guests? ;P |
| 09:42.17 | blackcell | will try jm_ |
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| 09:42.21 | Guerin | d0ug: ~US$30 |
| 09:42.25 | d0ug | >?!!!@ |
| 09:42.28 | DerJamster | *tilt* |
| 09:42.33 | chemaja | Guerin: but doesn't it bother you sleeping under your desk at work? ;-) |
| 09:42.34 | Guerin | but I have to live in Korea :( |
| 09:42.39 | d0ug | ah |
| 09:42.40 | Guerin | chemaja: hah. |
| 09:42.41 | d0ug | always a catch ;) |
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| 09:42.47 | d0ug | which Korea |
| 09:42.49 | hoe_ | how can I prevent hdd on the desktop from spinning up right after spinning it down (e.g. `hdparm -y /devhhdx`)? Does the kernel really need to have immediate access? |
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| 09:43.11 | fatal__ | Herodes: you usually configure gpm and X with the language your mouse talks... if your mouse jumps around randomly on the screen when you move it then you have the wrong protocol. |
| 09:43.11 | jm_ | hoe_: take a look at various laptop related docs |
| 09:43.17 | Guerin | I live between two army bases, a port and a petrochemical plant, on a fat fibre pipe all the way to seoul |
| 09:43.31 | Guerin | this is bog-standard internet out here |
| 09:43.52 | alcachi | Anybody knows if it is possible to show holiday days in a different color in the calendar that appears when you click in the clock applet of the gnome panel? |
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| 09:44.02 | Guerin | ... which is why 98.5% of the ip addresses on my ISP's subnet have at one point or another been spam relays |
| 09:44.03 | d0ug | to maximize hd lifespan, what's a good idle time to set to have it spin down? the sooner the better or does the spin-up cause a little extra wear and tear |
| 09:44.19 | jm_ | Guerin: was just thinking that - those machines must be good open proxies and whatnot |
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| 09:44.49 | Herodes | fatal__, when graphical login starts, my mouse cant be moved. it is only int the same place |
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| 09:44.58 | Guerin | jm_: oh yeah. Things in my locale have gotten a bit better since my apartment gateway started filtering bad ports - not useful ones, only those that get you pwn3d |
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| 09:45.00 | neenee | d0ug: i think it adds extra wear and tear, unless that disk is hardly used. |
| 09:45.32 | jm_ | Guerin: ahh nice |
| 09:45.43 | neenee | you'd have to find some setting at which it is spun down as long as possible, with the least amount of spinups |
| 09:46.00 | neenee | i think the main reason for spindown is saving power |
| 09:46.05 | d0ug | neenee: what's your prefered brand? And do 7200 rpms have shorter lives than the slower drives? |
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| 09:46.34 | Guerin | $ nmap feayn.org|grep filtered|wc -l \n 22 |
| 09:46.37 | jhaig | I'm trying to install mrtg with dselect and I'm getting: lm-sensors recommends lm-sensors-mod, |
| 09:46.37 | jhaig | lm-sensors-mod does not appear to be available |
| 09:46.37 | Bogaurd | ok, Guerin, im back from dinner. could you help me a bit again? :) |
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| 09:46.55 | Guerin | Bogaurd: what was the model of your SMC card again? |
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| 09:47.15 | Bogaurd | Guerin: 'accton tech corp smc2-1211tx (rev 10)' |
| 09:47.16 | d0ug | neenee: what's your prefered brand? And do 7200 rpms have shorter lives than the slower drives? |
| 09:47.28 | d0ug | shit |
| 09:47.31 | d0ug | neenee: right, saving both power and hd life is my goal.. with the HD spinned down, no processes running, monitor off etc, any idea how many watts a typical machine burns at? |
| 09:47.34 | d0ug | that's what i meant |
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| 09:47.41 | Bogaurd | d0ug, i am not neenee, but i like WD best |
| 09:47.51 | Herodes | fatal__, you read me? |
| 09:47.54 | d0ug | and maxtor the worst? |
| 09:48.15 | Guerin | Bogaurd: isa or pci? |
| 09:48.15 | Bogaurd | maybe seagate worst, but that is from past experience |
| 09:48.20 | Bogaurd | Guerin PCI |
| 09:48.22 | blackcell | configure: error: Could not find the gnomeConf.sh file that is generated by gnome-libs install |
| 09:48.23 | Guerin | oh, lspci shows it |
| 09:48.26 | Bogaurd | :) |
| 09:48.28 | blackcell | has anyone run into this problem checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found |
| 09:48.48 | Bogaurd | d0ug, the wattage will be very dependant on the cpu etc |
| 09:48.59 | Guerin | Bogaurd: is CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC set in your kernel's config? |
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| 09:49.21 | Bogaurd | Guerin, how can i check? excuse my ignorance |
| 09:49.28 | streuner_ | blackcell: which app you want compile? |
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| 09:49.45 | Guerin | Bogaurd: grep CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_SMC /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 09:49.52 | neenee | d0ug: not a clue |
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| 09:49.55 | d0ug | Bo: with whatever bios can do to slow down the clockspeed and fan relative to temp, and a ram drive set for webserving, how low could you go? I'm talking apollo 13 power saving |
| 09:50.08 | streuner_ | dpkg find gnomeConf.sh |
| 09:50.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gnomeConf.sh' (1 shown): (/usr/lib/gnomeConf.sh) in libdevel/libgnome-dev. |
| 09:50.21 | ufk2 | hi |
| 09:50.23 | neenee | d0ug: if i were a laptop user i would probably know more about power consumption and saving it |
| 09:50.24 | ufk2 | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 09:50.27 | Bogaurd | Guerin, yes :) |
| 09:50.29 | ufk2 | whet i need to install |
| 09:50.33 | streuner_ | blackcell: apt-get install libgnome-dev |
| 09:50.42 | Bogaurd | Guerin, it is equal to y |
| 09:50.49 | neenee | ufk2: apt-get install qt ? |
| 09:50.53 | streuner_ | ufk2: which app? |
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| 09:50.59 | directhex|work | ufk2, libqt3-mt-dev |
| 09:51.06 | ufk2 | LET ME SEE |
| 09:51.11 | Bogaurd | d0ug, maybe i can help? |
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| 09:51.27 | streuner_ | ufk2: what do you want to compile? |
| 09:51.34 | blackcell | streuner done that |
| 09:51.37 | Guerin | Bogaurd: as far as I can figure, that's the driver you need, and it's built into your kernel. Does that card show in dmesg? |
| 09:51.48 | streuner_ | blackcell: the same error? |
| 09:51.51 | ufk2 | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5561 |
| 09:52.03 | Guerin | ufk2: apt-cache search qt |grep dev |
| 09:52.10 | blackcell | yep :-( |
| 09:52.11 | Bogaurd | Guerin, no, it doesnt shop in dmesg |
| 09:52.16 | Guerin | ufk2: libqt3-dev or something |
| 09:52.24 | Bogaurd | Guerin, it worked ok on the install kernal though |
| 09:52.41 | blackcell | All I am trying to do is get Choeps-NG to compile |
| 09:52.41 | Guerin | Bogaurd: but the other does, now that you've probed the module? |
| 09:52.41 | directhex|work | !info karamba |
| 09:52.43 | dpkg | karamba: (A program improving the eyecandy of KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.17-5 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 312 kB |
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| 09:52.53 | d0ug | bogaurd: help how? I'm not that cheap to start moving jumpers to save a few quarters on the electric bill, i'm just curious how much of my bill my box is responsible for.. after all, that's would-have-been beer money |
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| 09:52.58 | Bogaurd | Guerin, yes the other shows, and is functioning |
| 09:52.59 | directhex|work | !wayc ufk2 |
| 09:53.00 | dpkg | ufk2: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:53.00 | streuner_ | ufk2: you should read the description of that very well :-) |
| 09:53.07 | blackcell | no pkg |
| 09:53.18 | streuner_ | !info karamba |
| 09:53.21 | dpkg | karamba: (A program improving the eyecandy of KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.17-5 (sid), Packaged size: 71 kB, Installed size: 312 kB |
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| 09:53.24 | Bogaurd | d0ug, i meant help with calculating :) |
| 09:53.25 | ufk2 | i install the libqt3-dev |
| 09:53.30 | directhex|work | !wayc ufk2 |
| 09:53.31 | dpkg | ufk2: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:53.50 | blackcell | dpkg I can not find a pkg for it |
| 09:53.50 | d0ug | ohh so you've got that curiosity bug in you too |
| 09:53.50 | dpkg | blackcell: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:54.03 | Bogaurd | d0ug, indeed :) |
| 09:54.06 | streuner_ | ufk2: what version of debian? |
| 09:54.07 | ufk2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.11 | directhex|work | !wayc ufk2 |
| 09:54.12 | dpkg | ufk2: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:54.29 | ufk2 | whet ineed to install? |
| 09:54.30 | blackcell | a program to map your network, very good when it works |
| 09:54.31 | streuner_ | don't repeat! ;-) |
| 09:54.32 | Bogaurd | d0ug, about the HDD's, the quietest drive i have EVER come accross is my wd200JB |
| 09:54.39 | directhex|work | ufk2, 'apt-get install karamba'. done. |
| 09:54.52 | directhex|work | !info cheops |
| 09:54.54 | dpkg | cheops: (Network swiss army knife), section net, is optional. Version: 0.61-9 (sid), Packaged size: 298 kB, Installed size: 912 kB |
| 09:54.57 | Bogaurd | or maybe it is a wd200BB |
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| 09:55.03 | ufk2 | bat is not the karamba' |
| 09:55.11 | streuner_ | heh |
| 09:55.13 | Guerin | ufk2: no. bat is bat |
| 09:55.15 | ufk2 | ites samting for karamba |
| 09:55.18 | Guerin | !cluebat ufk2 |
| 09:55.26 | ufk2 | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5561 |
| 09:55.27 | directhex|work | !magic hate ball |
| 09:55.32 | streuner_ | ufk2: CAN YOU ANSWER PEOPLES QUESTIONS? |
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| 09:55.33 | d0ug | well, does the power supply draw more power from the wall outlet to start spinning things faster, or does it simply draw a constant level of juice and modify it itself |
| 09:55.45 | ufk2 | my engles is bad |
| 09:55.46 | streuner_ | ufk2: we saw that already |
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| 09:55.56 | d0ug | it meaning the power it forwards to the mboard and drives |
| 09:56.02 | directhex|work | ufk2, you're linking to a page to download karamba. karamba is in debian. |
| 09:56.09 | Guerin | Bogaurd: google is your best bet. |
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| 09:56.36 | LinuxMafia | all : i am looking for a download manager that support rstp protocol , any idea? |
| 09:56.46 | mlewis00 | d0ug: It takes more current to start a motor than it does to keep one running :) |
| 09:56.54 | ufk2 | directhex|work |
| 09:57.04 | ufk2 | bat karamba install in my box |
| 09:57.15 | Bogaurd | d0ug, it also takes more power to start a hdd than to keep it spinning |
| 09:57.19 | ufk2 | i need to install satming to karmba |
| 09:57.22 | ufk2 | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5561 |
| 09:57.34 | ufk2 | you can see in the links |
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| 09:57.47 | d0ug | mlewis: but when i was a youngin' i noticed that this certain chip got really hot the slower the motor went.. like spending the extra juice in the form of heat |
| 09:57.52 | ufk2 | and win i comples i get |
| 09:58.02 | d0ug | so i extrapolated from that observation |
| 09:58.06 | ufk2 | checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg |
| 09:58.06 | ufk2 | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 09:58.24 | directhex|work | ufk2, what are you compiling? |
| 09:58.26 | d0ug | also, light switches with dimmers start to make louder electrical hums the lower you crank it |
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| 09:58.46 | Guerin | Bogaurd: try /sbin/discover --module ethernet |
| 09:58.50 | Bogaurd | ok |
| 09:59.03 | ufk2 | directhex|work http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=5561 |
| 09:59.30 | Bogaurd | no such file as /sbin/discover guerin |
| 09:59.34 | sparr | gotta love trying to port/run programs with no documentation |
| 09:59.36 | streuner_ | chemaja: heh? |
| 09:59.39 | Guerin | Bogaurd: wtf. |
| 09:59.44 | Guerin | oh, woody |
| 09:59.49 | directhex|work | ufk2, for fucks sake. that's a link to karamba 0.17. karamba 0.17 is in debian. if you're trying to compile a package that's in apt-get, you're an idiot. if you're compiling something else, you're posting the wrong link repeatedly, making you an idiot |
| 09:59.49 | d0ug | we dont need no stinkin documentation |
| 09:59.52 | Bogaurd | Guerin, yes woody |
| 09:59.55 | Guerin | !flw1 |
| 09:59.55 | mlewis00 | d0ug: That is a different case...motor controllers / dimmers have to do something with the extra power so they sometimes dissipate it by converting it to heat. |
| 09:59.55 | dpkg | methinks flw1 is <coachz> i don't need no stinking docs |
| 09:59.56 | chemaja | streuner_: regarding ufk2 |
| 10:00.23 | d0ug | ok, but you see that i wasn't coming out of left [or right?] field with that hypothesis |
| 10:00.26 | Guerin | Bogaurd: ok, try to modprobe 8139too |
| 10:00.37 | Bogaurd | Guerin, ok |
| 10:00.39 | Guerin | d0ug: oh, you clearly were. |
| 10:00.44 | ufk2 | directhex|work possssssss |
| 10:00.48 | Guerin | d0ug: coachz was his era's sparr |
| 10:00.52 | DerJamster | ufk2: what? |
| 10:01.00 | directhex|work | ufk2, what the hell does that mean? |
| 10:01.06 | Guerin | he's an alien |
| 10:01.14 | ufk2 | sorry |
| 10:01.16 | Guerin | he's about to eat your brainssssssssss |
| 10:01.16 | Bogaurd | Guerin, it said it found a card :D |
| 10:01.18 | DerJamster | He wants to make sweet tentacle love to you. |
| 10:01.20 | d0ug | coachz? |
| 10:01.20 | sparr | how do i skip a lot of "hdc: no response (status =0xa1), resetting drive" during boot? |
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| 10:01.36 | petemc | sparr: buy a new drive |
| 10:01.41 | Guerin | Bogaurd: ok. That fucking card is YAFRLT8139 |
| 10:01.48 | streuner_ | Guerin: no - he is prolly someone who isn't concentrate enough... |
| 10:02.10 | sparr | petemc: heh, i thought of that. how about a free solution? |
| 10:02.27 | Guerin | sparr: steal a new drive |
| 10:02.28 | chemaja | ufk2 = Unrelenting Forger of Karamba II |
| 10:02.37 | sparr | Guerin: ok, i admit, i didnt see that coming. |
| 10:02.41 | Guerin | chemaja: s/Forger/Fucker-upper/ |
| 10:02.46 | sparr | how about a software-based solution? |
| 10:02.49 | petemc | sparr: steal a new drive? |
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| 10:02.53 | Guerin | sparr: use another drive. |
| 10:02.56 | petemc | oops :) |
| 10:03.00 | sparr | dont have any others around |
| 10:03.24 | chemaja | time to go home and play with the Sargent. |
| 10:03.26 | Guerin | sparr: /msg dpkg sol |
| 10:03.27 | sparr | as much as id like to have another drive in that box |
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| 10:03.31 | hail04 | how do I unzip a bz2 file? |
| 10:03.37 | sparr | hail04: bunzip |
| 10:03.42 | sparr | Guerin: not funny. |
| 10:04.29 | hail04 | -bash: bunzip: command not found |
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| 10:04.35 | sparr | apt-get install bunzip |
| 10:04.39 | sparr | maybe its bunzip2 |
| 10:04.42 | Guerin | 2 |
| 10:04.42 | fatal__ | hail04: try tab... |
| 10:04.44 | fatal__ | :) |
| 10:05.01 | kairo | what's *dfsg* in debian package? |
| 10:05.05 | Guerin | !dfsg |
| 10:05.05 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 10:05.09 | kairo | I'm courious |
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| 10:05.16 | sparr | Guerin: id rather not be SOL, over half my boot time is waitng for that message to go by. 4 times for hdc, 4 times for hdd. |
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| 10:05.39 | kairo | humm.. I know dfsg. Duh, I'm stupid :} |
| 10:05.43 | petemc | sparr: could be a dodgy cable |
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| 10:06.17 | sparr | petemc: i think i was too vague... i dont HAVE a hdc. |
| 10:06.21 | fatal__ | kairo: "source packages" usually have dfsg in them to make it obvious that the original archive is modified to comply with the DFSG .... like documentation ripped out of the mysql-package, and so on. |
| 10:06.33 | Bogaurd | Guerin, when i did the modprobe, it detected the card. how can i tell it to load that module at boot? |
| 10:07.06 | FabParma | how to use "edid" to probe the monitor resolution? |
| 10:07.18 | kairo | fatal__: thanks. |
| 10:07.35 | d0ug | not counting a lot of other things, there is nothing more satisfying that getting a windows newbie to slide over to debian, tweak up X for them and set openoffice to use .docs as default, apt-getting firefox and gaim, and seeing them fall in love with it.. |
| 10:07.38 | hail04 | thanks |
| 10:08.16 | mlewis00 | But OOo is still not 100% compatible :( |
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| 10:08.28 | Bogaurd | how can i tell a module to load at startup? |
| 10:08.34 | Bogaurd | is it insmod or something? |
| 10:08.40 | guru | does anyone here use a sound blaster live 5.1 with alsa? |
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| 10:09.03 | PerfDave | d0ug: How do you set up OpenOffice to use .docs as default? Got a handy URL for that? |
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| 10:09.08 | d0ug | damn.. bunch of klonopin and trazadone at 11pm EST and i'm still up wasting time |
| 10:09.15 | PerfDave | mlewis00: I presume it'd be 100% compatiable if everybody used it, even with .doc ;) |
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| 10:09.36 | d0ug | Perf: not to hard to find in settings, i'll tell you exactly how five hours later when I have debian on this box again |
| 10:09.40 | Guerin | Bogaurd: echo modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 10:09.48 | Bogaurd | Guerin, ok |
| 10:09.58 | d0ug | got my business card deb iso |
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| 10:10.18 | Guerin | why are computer geeks always adhd or insomniac |
| 10:10.18 | christor | hello , I m trying to configure an Xfree86 on a laptop dell with graphic card ati but my startx doesn't work.I have tried several resolution and different drivers but without success. When I start xdm I type my login/pass and i come back on the login. Any ideas to help me please? |
| 10:10.25 | mlewis00 | PerfDave: Probably, until M$ noticed it and threw one of their standard incompatibilities into a patch or upgrade. |
| 10:10.28 | Guerin | these are the questions... |
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| 10:11.11 | d0ug | Guerin: because insomnia and other mental illnesses that mess with sleep gives us time to exist when everyone else in the world is sleeping, except other insomniacs who also own computers |
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| 10:11.18 | d0ug | i think this is a chicken/egg thing |
| 10:11.48 | PerfDave | mlewis00: We're trying to migrate everybody here to OOo on Windows to ease the migration to Linux at a later date. If all *our* documents were created and saved in OOo, there shouldn't be a problem. |
| 10:12.09 | d0ug | so we got more time to kill .. it's either hbo on demand, yo |
| 10:12.15 | Shadur | Guerin: Because after a few sessions with, say, Civilization or just a good programming binge, you become insomniac in self-preservation |
| 10:12.17 | d0ug | or geek stuff |
| 10:12.20 | Guerin | i'm not an insomniac |
| 10:12.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:12.32 | Guerin | i know about binge-* |
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| 10:12.42 | FabParma | how to probe a monitor frequencies? |
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| 10:13.10 | d0ug | neither am I, nor am i ad[h]d, but i'm bipolar which makes me need sleep less the less sleep I get |
| 10:13.11 | mlewis00 | PerfDave: I created a buisiness card document in OOo Writer the other day, saved it to Word '97/2000 format, took it to a Windows box and opened it in Word '97 viewer and it was all messed up. |
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| 10:14.16 | _jamie | is it necessary to run in-addr.arpa records if i don't own any ip's? (i.e., if my isp does it, i can't anyway without "owning" those ip's, right?) |
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| 10:14.21 | d0ug | it's too late to drink and dial the ex girlfriends |
| 10:14.28 | PerfDave | mlewis00: yeah, but if you created a document in OOo Writer, saved it in Word '97 format, and opened it in OOo Writer, it should work, right? |
| 10:14.39 | mlewis00 | PerfDave: Then I came back and looked at the original .doc file on my Debian box and it also was messed up the same way...so it obviously wasn'tsaved correctly. |
| 10:14.45 | d0ug | or too early i should say |
| 10:14.46 | PerfDave | mlewis00: Fair enough |
| 10:15.07 | PerfDave | mlewis00: When we get *everybody* using OOo we'll have to change the default to .swx ;) |
| 10:15.21 | mlewis00 | PerfDave: Maybe the bug has been fixed in a more recent build, though (like one compiled from source)... |
| 10:15.34 | _jamie | let me rephrase. do i need to run a reverse zone (PTR) records when my isp owns the ips and sets up the zone there? that's where the PTRs actually reside, right? |
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| 10:15.37 | mlewis00 | PerfDave: :-) |
| 10:15.43 | Guerin | mlewis00: is the oowriter style bug fiixed yet? |
| 10:15.46 | d0ug | i need a fistfull of downs just to feel slightly tired |
| 10:15.48 | Guerin | that shit pissed me off like wicked |
| 10:15.49 | PerfDave | _jamie: You can run your own reverse DNS, but if it's not delegated to you, then nobody wlil check it. |
| 10:16.00 | _jamie | PerfDave: that's what i thought. ;-) thanks! |
| 10:16.04 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Don't know :( |
| 10:16.11 | Guerin | oh well |
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| 10:16.23 | Guerin | I basically refuse to use anything other than emacs nowadays :) |
| 10:16.31 | PerfDave | _jamie: The SOA records for yournet.in-addr.arpa on the root servers won't point to your server. |
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| 10:16.45 | d0ug | i never understood this fanaticism with emacs that so many have |
| 10:16.47 | _jamie | Guerin: give me vi + mutt and i will rule the world! ;-) (maybe elinks too) |
| 10:16.57 | _jamie | PerfDave: makes perfect sense |
| 10:17.04 | d0ug | pico is underrated... |
| 10:17.17 | _jamie | PerfDave: so ARIN creates those SOA records? |
| 10:17.21 | mlewis00 | Guerin: How did you get used to that? Too many magic keystrokes to remember for me. |
| 10:17.24 | _jamie | (or RIPE, or whatever) |
| 10:17.26 | fatal__ | nano kicks picos butt.... (although I prefer vim). |
| 10:17.32 | _jamie | vim rules |
| 10:17.40 | PerfDave | _jamie: Probably, my "global DNS organisation"-fu is rusty since I stopped working for CENTR. |
| 10:17.45 | _jamie | kate is pretty cool |
| 10:17.46 | d0ug | i haven't really noticed much difference btw nano and pico |
| 10:18.05 | _jamie | PerfDave: cool. ;-) just wanted to be sure before I wasted these useless records |
| 10:18.07 | PerfDave | d0ug: nano is DSFG-free ;) |
| 10:18.09 | Shadur | _jamie: yeah, one of the few KDE apps that actually worked as nicely as it looked. |
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| 10:18.11 | fatal__ | aren't there a trigger like for this? |
| 10:18.15 | fatal__ | dpkg: start an editor war |
| 10:18.15 | dpkg | "cat >" sucks |
| 10:18.19 | _jamie | for some reason, my dns front-end creates all these reverse zones. |
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| 10:18.27 | _jamie | i don't need them, i guess. |
| 10:18.35 | Guerin | mlewis00: I only use a few of them, and M-x long-name for the rest |
| 10:18.38 | d0ug | perf: dsfg? |
| 10:18.40 | themover78 | hello....can somebody tell me an server or website where can find some addresses for the sources.list file |
| 10:18.44 | _jamie | my isp has a nice web interface to my class c -- just plug in the names |
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| 10:18.54 | fatal__ | themover78: man apt-setup ? |
| 10:19.01 | mlewis00 | Guerin: I would like to use Emacs as a development environment but don't want to learn another language (Emacs keystrokes) to do it :-) |
| 10:19.03 | sep | themover78: www.debian.org the mirror list |
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| 10:19.06 | d0ug | Hey all i was axin' was what the differences were |
| 10:19.11 | PerfDave | d0ug: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 10:19.15 | _jamie | themeover78: maybe apt-get install netselect and then netselect-apt |
| 10:19.18 | d0ug | i did and he gets ruder and ruder |
| 10:19.48 | Guerin | i recently set up xemacs with gnuserv/gnuclient and a trivial script which detects if an emacs is already running, and if so, spawns a gnuclient process; if not, starts an emacs |
| 10:19.55 | themover78 | i want to know adresse to insert in the source.list...because i can't find some packages i want to install |
| 10:19.55 | d0ug | this bot is alive .. and irascible |
| 10:20.04 | _jamie | vim is actually nice. code folding, syntax highlighting, screen splitting (vert and hor), etc. and that's just the CLI version. |
| 10:20.17 | Guerin | which pwnz, because now I can be editing N documents in N terminals using one emacs process :) |
| 10:20.33 | mlewis00 | Guerin: Hmm, maybe I'll install it again and give it another try...hadn't heard of M-x long-name. |
| 10:20.34 | FabParma | how to probe the monitor frequencies ? have i to use "debug" ? |
| 10:20.42 | _jamie | themover78: use us.debian.org to start, and then apt-get update and apt-get install netselect. then run netselect-apt and it will create a sources.list for you. |
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| 10:20.56 | d0ug | me: /msg dpkg dsfg; <dpkg> Try dfsg moron .. |
| 10:20.59 | _jamie | Guerin: that's what screen is for ;-) |
| 10:21.01 | d0ug | i mean, c'mon, that's just not necessary |
| 10:21.29 | _jamie | Guerin: and besides, you can be editing N documents in 1 terminal with one vi process. why would you want it in multiple terminals? |
| 10:21.30 | Guerin | _jamie: no. Screen doesn't allow one emacs to open documents in N screen sessions... |
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| 10:21.40 | themover78 | thanks...i'll try;) |
| 10:21.48 | PerfDave | d0ug: Try it again. |
| 10:22.01 | Guerin | _jamie: when it's set as my mutt editor, I want it to start in the mutt terminal, not the original emacs terminal |
| 10:22.01 | d0ug | i apologized to the dpkg bot and he makes thinly veiled threats |
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| 10:22.19 | Guerin | _jamie: and it's a woft sstarting another emacs for that |
| 10:22.21 | _jamie | i wish there was a way to split and hsplit an xterm into multiple xterms like vim. |
| 10:22.33 | PerfDave | _jamie: screen |
| 10:22.37 | d0ug | screen yo |
| 10:22.40 | d0ug | argh |
| 10:22.42 | _jamie | Guerin: screen can do that. am i not understanding you? |
| 10:22.44 | Guerin | oh, and then there's the fact that vi is shite :) |
| 10:22.47 | fatal__ | Guerin: or you can use an editor which doesn't need a decade to start. ;P |
| 10:22.58 | Manoj_ | _jamie: use eterm inside emacs ;-) |
| 10:23.00 | _jamie | PerfDave: only hsplit, not vsplit. (or maybe it's the other way around) |
| 10:23.07 | Guerin | _jamie: you're misunderstanding. i mean 'one screen terminal' not 'one xterm' |
| 10:23.15 | PerfDave | _jamie: Fair enough. Can't say I've ever used it myself. |
| 10:23.16 | _jamie | Guerin: funny, that's what i thought emacs was? ;-) |
| 10:23.16 | Manoj_ | or teminal emulator in emacs |
| 10:23.24 | PerfDave | konsole has tabbed x terminals. |
| 10:23.32 | d0ug | people like vi for the same reasons pregnant women refuse chill pills during childbirth, i think.. |
| 10:23.33 | Guerin | fatal__: there is that; on a p2-233, that pretty much rules most bar nano out |
| 10:23.39 | _jamie | Guerin: fair enough, can't figure out what you're saying hehehe |
| 10:23.43 | d0ug | right of passage kinda thing |
| 10:23.44 | Guerin | fatal__: and since I use emacs for everything else... |
| 10:23.48 | _jamie | PerfDave: yes, and konsole rules |
| 10:24.06 | Guerin | see, the silly vidiots can't even get their heads around emacs' multi-tty leetness :) |
| 10:24.14 | _jamie | konsole supports named profiles too, so i have a profile that auto-ssh's into each server (with keys, of course) |
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| 10:24.26 | _jamie | you can even do icons for each profile |
| 10:24.35 | Guerin | konsole is horrible |
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| 10:24.46 | Guerin | it's so goddamn slow |
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| 10:24.56 | jm_ | Guerin: what multi-tty leetness? |
| 10:24.59 | _jamie | Guerin: how? |
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| 10:25.07 | _jamie | control-shift-n opens new term instantly |
| 10:25.08 | d0ug | you know what was leet way back in the day? ttysnoop.. back in 95 i'd hand out shells on irc and I learned *nix by watching them try to root me |
| 10:25.12 | DrPete | Is there a way, using a linux box hooked up to a phone line to answer incomming calls, then if its a fax recive it, if not allow the phone to be answered somehow? |
| 10:25.15 | _jamie | shift-arrow moves between them |
| 10:25.25 | debian | PerfDave: konsole has very fast tabbing mechanism |
| 10:25.51 | _jamie | d0ug: cool tool thanks |
| 10:25.53 | debian | DrPete: yes |
| 10:25.54 | PerfDave | debian: I'm sure it does, I just prefer to have multiple konsole windows and use the WM window switching. More screen real-estate for one thing. |
| 10:26.08 | debian | DrPete: there is fax+mgetty howto iirc |
| 10:26.09 | _jamie | DrPete what you really want is asterix. |
| 10:26.19 | jethro | ola todos |
| 10:26.21 | _jamie | ok, maybe not |
| 10:26.23 | _jamie | ;-) |
| 10:26.31 | _jamie | hylafax is really nice too |
| 10:26.33 | Guerin | jm_: I have terminals 0123 in screen. If I run an instance of xemacs in terminal 0, I can run an instance of gnuclient -nw in any other terminals. I get an xemacs window opening in the new terminal, but all the work is done by the initial xemacs process in 0. |
| 10:26.35 | debian | PerfDave: faster and more decent than alt-tab, really. :) |
| 10:26.35 | PerfDave | DrPete: hylafax and/or asterix? |
| 10:26.42 | DrPete | I have been hunting on the net and found asterix, it looks good |
| 10:26.43 | mlewis00 | _jamie: I think Guerin is talking about how slow the rendering of text, etc. is in konsole... |
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| 10:26.58 | PerfDave | debian: I'll stick to alt-tab, no point using a seperate mechanism for one particular application. |
| 10:27.04 | Guerin | yeah, konsole is slow for fast text scrolling |
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| 10:27.20 | Guerin | no reason why a terminal emulator can't be fast, even on my p2-233 |
| 10:27.22 | _jamie | PerfDave: debian is right. |
| 10:27.23 | d0ug | ttysnoop, like vnc, is a great tool to freak people out.. quietly installing it on other computers and later taking them for a little journey to the .cx TLD |
| 10:27.26 | DrPete | will asterix its self answer faxes? |
| 10:27.28 | PerfDave | I've not noticed konsole being significantly slow to render text. But then, I don't have much fast scrolling. |
| 10:27.29 | _jamie | mlewis00: he should turn off transparency. ;-) |
| 10:27.29 | Gumby | does anyone here know if there is a driver in the stock sarge kernel for a logitech quickcam express and if not which driver module it needs? |
| 10:27.31 | debian | Guerin: comparing to text terminal of course. :) |
| 10:27.39 | jm_ | Guerin: vim has that too, although I don't know if it's quite the same |
| 10:27.39 | _jamie | i find it very fast, actually. |
| 10:27.44 | SlayerXP | good morning hash-dweebians |
| 10:27.46 | Bogaurd | ok, i have wanted to know this for a while now. when i installed mysql, i was asked if i wanted it to startup on system startup. how can i change this now? say, stop it from starting up? |
| 10:27.46 | Guerin | debian: konsole is a text terminal |
| 10:27.53 | d0ug | Gumby: you still have your receipt? :) |
| 10:27.56 | mlewis00 | _jamie: How do you mean? |
| 10:27.56 | debian | Guerin: then slow compare to what? |
| 10:28.00 | PerfDave | Gumby: I don't think there is. There's a qce-source (or qce-src) module IIRC which you should be able to install with module-assistant |
| 10:28.06 | debian | Guerin: I thought you compare it with console text terminal |
| 10:28.06 | PerfDave | Bogaurd: update-rc.d |
| 10:28.19 | kg | debian = ? |
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| 10:28.21 | Guerin | debian: gnome-terminal *term [u]rxvt |
| 10:28.24 | Gumby | d0ug: haha, not my cam :) just curious nad going to try get it going if I can |
| 10:28.26 | kg | Ian? |
| 10:28.29 | kg | the creator? |
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| 10:28.42 | Hobart | What is the difference between packages updated by doing "apt-get update/upgrade", and the superset of that which is updated by loading an update into dselect, and the superset of *that* which is upgraded by doing "select" and making no changes, and then doing the upgradE? |
| 10:28.44 | _jamie | Bogaurd: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
| 10:28.49 | debian | Guerin: gnome-terminal and *term are slow as hell. rxvt of course is fastest. |
| 10:28.58 | DrPete | Do i need any speical hardware? or will a modem and a phonline be enough? |
| 10:28.59 | jethro | Bogaurd: apt-get install rcconf && run rcconf from a root prompt |
| 10:29.08 | Guerin | debian: konsole is slower than them all. |
| 10:29.11 | d0ug | gumby: did you google this for a good thirty seconds yet? |
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| 10:29.32 | debian | Guerin: ookay, no point in fighting over individual experience. :) |
| 10:29.43 | Gumby | d0ug: yea...and I see a lot about 2.4.x kernels but not much about 2.6 |
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| 10:30.03 | d0ug | KDE is too obsessed with changing the spelling of words to include as many Ks as possible.. |
| 10:30.04 | _jamie | debian: true. but rxvt is not very nice compared to konsole. and i don't really get what people mean by slow. even gnome terminal isn't too slow. |
| 10:30.09 | debian | Guerin: and I'm comparing them by running gnome-terminal on KDE. May be it runs faster in Gnome platform. |
| 10:30.47 | debian | _jamie: anway I don't think *term(e.g. Eterm) is faster than konsole. :) |
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| 10:30.47 | mornfall | debian: and your conclusion was? (wrt konsole)? |
| 10:30.53 | mornfall | i missed it i think :P |
| 10:30.55 | d0ug | gumby my man, i rolled back 2.6 to 2.4 about five minutes after I first tried it |
| 10:31.12 | Gumby | d0ug: no issues here other than this thus far |
| 10:31.23 | d0ug | sound issues, cdroms, video |
| 10:31.24 | Shadur | debian: If you want to be fair, you'll need to compare MGT and konsole in gnome as well, where konsole doesn't have the advantage of 90% of its libs already preloaded. |
| 10:31.26 | _jamie | debian: nah, xterm is fast, eterm is probably slow. the more you get, the slower you get it. that's usually the way of it. |
| 10:31.28 | debian | mornfall: my conclude is of course konsole, but then again I run gnome-terminal on KDE and I'm just doing plain ls to compare. Maybe it runs fast on gnome |
| 10:31.35 | Gumby | d0ug: not here, not here, not here |
| 10:31.36 | Guerin | debian: I ran it in xfce4, and it was shitloads faster. it gooes (roughly) [u]rxvt > [u]xterm > gnome-terminal < konsole |
| 10:31.44 | Guerin | missing out others like m-g-t and eterm |
| 10:31.44 | debian | Shadur: yeah, I realize |
| 10:31.45 | mornfall | debian: i wouldn't believe it |
| 10:31.47 | _jamie | knsole is fast fast fast |
| 10:32.03 | debian | mornfall: do I need to shackle you up and torture yu so that you can believe? :) |
| 10:32.04 | Shadur | jamie: It's also a memory hog hog hog. |
| 10:32.05 | d0ug | i'm just trying to characterize a 2.6 experience driver-wise |
| 10:32.18 | debian | _jamie: xterm is slow...argh, get over with it. :) |
| 10:32.28 | kg | Why is your nick debian? |
| 10:32.30 | Guerin | !start a terminal emulator war |
| 10:32.31 | mornfall | debian: to be exact... i wouldn't believe that running gnome-terminal in gnome would run slightest bit faster than in kde |
| 10:32.36 | d0ug | it's as if they went out of their way to mess it up |
| 10:32.43 | mornfall | debian: or any other environment |
| 10:32.48 | _jamie | Shadur: nah |
| 10:32.52 | d0ug | .. no disrespect to the kernel guys... |
| 10:32.56 | Gumby | man, module-assistant seems like a lot of work to load a module |
| 10:32.59 | _jamie | Shadur: how can i check |
| 10:33.10 | mornfall | Gumby: module-assistant is to build a module, maybe? :) |
| 10:33.16 | debian | mornfall: I didn't say it would. I just say I didn't do that |
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| 10:33.19 | Gumby | sorry, build |
| 10:33.29 | Gumby | /manage |
| 10:33.32 | Shadur | jamie: Run it on a machine with only 256 megs ram and listen to your swap drive groan in pain. |
| 10:33.37 | d0ug | gumby: did you apt search for anything related to logictek or any "generic" kind of driver |
| 10:33.47 | FabParma | do you know a way to probe the monitor model/frequencies etc ? |
| 10:33.49 | mornfall | Shadur: i have 256 megs |
| 10:33.55 | mornfall | Shadur: running konsole here |
| 10:34.10 | d0ug | 256, still respectable. |
| 10:34.12 | fatal__ | d0ug: my experience is the opposite, I wouldn't want to go back to 2.4.... although, I've been following the development process closely since the 2.4 fork so I might know all the tiny things that has changed and fix it up without even reacting.... |
| 10:34.16 | debian | Guerin: you've gnome process already running while starting konsole afresh. Of course it'd make the latter slower |
| 10:34.21 | Gumby | d0ug: yeah.. I even see what looks like the proper driver as a source on my hdd (from what I have read) |
| 10:34.28 | Guerin | debian: no, I don't. |
| 10:34.36 | Gumby | /usr/share/modass/packages/qc-usb-source |
| 10:34.38 | debian | anyway, comparing the performance of text-terminal is very interesting |
| 10:34.40 | _jamie | Shadur: i used to, many (many) moons ago. |
| 10:34.45 | mornfall | debian: there is no such thing as gnome process |
| 10:34.46 | debian | never thought of that before |
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| 10:34.58 | Gumby | now, I just need to figure out how to use that source.... I assume its with module-assistant... |
| 10:35.03 | d0ug | fatal: well i don't know shit from Shynola in this dept other than my anecdotal evidence... what to you particularly like about the 2.6s versus the 2.4s? |
| 10:35.06 | _jamie | Shadur: i don't remember any speed issues. |
| 10:35.09 | mornfall | debian: and my konsole is actually not eating nearly as much cpu as x server, IIRC |
| 10:35.15 | Guerin | debian: there's no use trying to talk me out of this; I've used kde, gnome, xfce4 and a bunch of other DEs with all the above terminal emulators on this old box. Those are my findings. |
| 10:35.33 | Shadur | Likewise. |
| 10:35.33 | mlewis00 | Run xterm and konsole from a simple startx or xinit and compare them :) |
| 10:35.41 | Guerin | that's fair |
| 10:36.01 | mlewis00 | For start time and display scrolling, etc. |
| 10:36.08 | debian | Guerin: but I'm currently using it |
| 10:36.11 | debian | them |
| 10:36.30 | Guerin | aww |
| 10:36.32 | Shadur | Guerin: My findings match yours -- albeit without trying rxvt or xterm; I've gotten a tad too attached to tabbed terminals. |
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| 10:36.35 | mornfall | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.35 | mornfall | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.35 | debian | mornfall: of course |
| 10:36.45 | mornfall | for octal dump of /dev/urandom |
| 10:36.47 | Guerin | Shadur: screen has preplaced tabbed terminals for me |
| 10:36.52 | Guerin | s/p// |
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| 10:37.00 | fatal__ | d0ug: the things I like is mostly userspace stuff that just runs smoother with 2.6 ..... all the hotplug, udev, hal, and so on which reflects all the way up to the desktop.... |
| 10:37.02 | d0ug | morn: what kind of processor you got under the hood |
| 10:37.11 | _jamie | night all |
| 10:37.16 | mornfall | Guerin: i have a 3d terminal workspace with tabs AND screens ;) |
| 10:37.24 | mornfall | d0ug: celeron 1.1 GHz |
| 10:37.29 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:37.32 | debian | Guerin: you obviously don't need to run some text apps that handle strange encoding. :) |
| 10:37.39 | _jamie | athlon2x2ghz,1gb. it's fast enough to handle konsole |
| 10:37.53 | d0ug | Hmm, well I take it back fatal .. i'll go ahead and give it a try as soon as i'm done procrastinating from this new install |
| 10:37.55 | _jamie | and at least one other program at the same time too. |
| 10:38.00 | Guerin | debian: actually, I do. And rxvt-unicode-ml handles them all just fine :) |
| 10:38.05 | _jamie | xclock |
| 10:38.08 | Shadur | _jamie: On this box, I've got a 1GHz celery. |
| 10:38.09 | _jamie | xclock and konsole. |
| 10:38.14 | Shadur | Work machine, what can I say? |
| 10:38.23 | _jamie | that's pretty much it, though. 98% cpu with that combo. |
| 10:38.32 | d0ug | shadur: "Just following orders," huh |
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| 10:38.47 | debian | Guerin: sadly unicode cannot handle all the aisan characters, you may have to rely on its native encoding. :( |
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| 10:38.54 | _jamie | now that xclock, that's a real memory hog |
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| 10:38.59 | _jamie | kinda hard to read, too. |
| 10:39.00 | Shadur | d0ug: More like no pressing reason to have anything faster. "I can't play UT2K4 on this" isn't a valid reason. |
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| 10:39.12 | _jamie | Shadur: wrong ;-) |
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| 10:39.36 | Guerin | debian: well, potentially it CAN handle all of them - it's just that it might not have been programmed to do all the glyphs yet |
| 10:39.37 | hairy_potter | Shadur: i thought a Celeron 1G is more than enough to play UT2K4 |
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| 10:39.41 | d0ug | shadur: just having a little Godwin's Law fun with you |
| 10:39.42 | Guerin | oh yeah |
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| 10:40.10 | _jamie | actually, your video card (and ram) are more important than your processor for ut2k4 |
| 10:40.11 | debian | Guerin: potentially. Thats' what I wish, really.... |
| 10:40.16 | d0ug | according to the Godwin's Law faq, you just won |
| 10:40.45 | christor | I have installed an Xfree86 on my laptop and it doesn t work with message Error from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server. Waiting for X server shutdown. What is the problem? |
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| 10:40.58 | Shadur | hairy_potter: With 256 megs ram? Har, har har. :) |
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| 10:41.15 | Shadur | I tried, actually. |
| 10:41.31 | _jamie | Shadur: no, he could do it with 4x4 video resolution in 2 bit. |
| 10:41.31 | debian | Guerin: and it's nightmare to handle non-unicode, natively encoded file under unicode locale X |
| 10:41.41 | Shadur | Somewhere halfway through the map load, it goes "Ack! *gurgle* *die*" |
| 10:42.11 | hairy_potter | Shadur: see what _jamie said |
| 10:42.26 | Guerin | debian: yeah, I bet. Even with full utf-8erisation and good fonts, the odd chinese glyph slips through |
| 10:42.29 | d0ug | jesus this site usemycomputer.com is a pr0n goldmine.. i've spent at least 30 hours in the past five days sifting through the material to steal myself some jay pegs for what will be my new linux server on its own static ip.. |
| 10:42.48 | d0ug | and another 5 just screwing around in this channel |
| 10:42.51 | _jamie | i think ut2k4 is actually faster on slow computers than ut (orig) |
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| 10:43.03 | _jamie | assuming you have sufficient ram and you drop res enough |
| 10:43.05 | Guerin | d0ug: don't spam us with pr0n |
| 10:43.29 | hairy_potter | d0ug: is it worksafe? |
| 10:43.30 | hairy_potter | haha |
| 10:43.31 | debian | Guerin: those good fonts set are mostly commercial |
| 10:43.31 | directhex|work | _jamie, that's about right. |
| 10:43.33 | d0ug | guerin: i wish it were my site to spam.. just thinking outloud, my apologies. |
| 10:43.35 | debian | :( |
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| 10:43.44 | d0ug | didn't name my own |
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| 10:44.40 | elephantman | Hi all |
| 10:44.51 | d0ug | was that a split? |
| 10:45.15 | elephantman | Why can't i ping local domains (test.fire) when the internet is unreachable though i use a local DNS ? |
| 10:45.33 | Guerin | d0ug: in an 800-user channel, when there's a split, you'll know |
| 10:46.00 | d0ug | 800? man, this whole "debian" thing has legs |
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| 10:47.37 | sussudio | o_o |
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| 10:47.37 | gothtec | rollercoaster! |
| 10:47.44 | d0ug | re sussudio |
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| 10:49.40 | mattiSn | howya |
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| 10:50.45 | mattiSn | anyone here who can tell me howto diff a kernel tree from another?, i.e. could I somehow get diff to output a third directory with all the files that exist in dir1 but not dir2 (so that I could tell what has been added to dir 2) |
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| 10:53.06 | fatal__ | mattiSn: diff -uriNp dir1 dir2 > /tmp/my.patch |
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| 10:53.27 | Woodrag | i am having difficulties installing the packages in testing |
| 10:53.35 | Woodrag | KDE3.3 has been adapted but it won't install |
| 10:53.39 | mattiSn | fatal__ : cheers! |
| 10:53.53 | mattiSn | fatal__ : could I somhow extract the patchfile aswell ? |
| 10:54.10 | mattiSn | fatal__ : so that it would create simple readable files and dirs |
| 10:54.16 | Bogaurd | i upgraded my kernel to a real kernel, but i am still having troubles running bandwidth shaping scripts |
| 10:54.28 | directhex|work | Woodrag, for extremely large incoming packages, it can take a day or more for everything to be synched up properly |
| 10:54.32 | Bogaurd | i get errors: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument, then my link stops working |
| 10:54.48 | Bogaurd | i am running the wonder shaper script |
| 10:54.49 | fatal__ | mattiSn: I don't follow.... /tmp/my.patch is the patch file (the output) ... |
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| 10:55.29 | mattiSn | fatal__: yes, It's good, but I would also like to read the contents of the patch file, as I dont know what it modifes in the patched tree |
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| 10:55.58 | fatal__ | mattiSn: less /tmp/my.patch ? |
| 10:56.08 | Woodrag | Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 10:56.09 | Woodrag | (Reading database ... 180435 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 10:56.11 | Woodrag | Unpacking kdenetwork-filesharing (from .../kdenetwork-filesharing_4%3a3.3.1-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 10:56.12 | Woodrag | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdenetwork-filesharing_4%3a3.3.1-2_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 10:56.12 | dpkg | Woodrag: You are moron #9 |
| 10:56.14 | Woodrag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:56.17 | Woodrag | oops |
| 10:56.23 | Woodrag | sorry |
| 10:56.35 | mattiSn | fatal__: yes, that works, but It's not very easy to read... |
| 10:56.36 | DrPete | Thanks for the info on faxing, I am reading up now. Does anyone know if I will need special hardware? |
| 10:56.56 | Bogaurd | has anyone had any luck getting trafic shaping scripts to work on debian woody? |
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| 10:57.19 | fatal__ | mattiSn: in the universal format (-u) ... "+++ foo.c .." is the file modified... lines starting with "-" are removed ... lines starting with "+" are added.... pretty easy.. |
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| 10:57.25 | Shadur | Bogaurd: The one I wrote works fine. |
| 10:57.29 | mattiSn | fatal__: let's say file1.c exists in dir1 but not dir2, now I want to extract file1 from the patch file so I have it as it was written |
| 10:57.57 | Bogaurd | Shadur, do you use HTB or CBQ? |
| 10:58.02 | Woodrag | work: I does not help downloading the packages from the main server |
| 10:58.10 | fatal__ | mattiSn: edit the patch with a text editor and remove all the surrounding blocks before applying it... |
| 10:58.23 | Woodrag | i just pasted the errors in #flood |
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| 10:58.31 | Shadur | htb |
| 10:58.56 | mattiSn | fatal__: hmm, guess that would work for a few files, but Ive got a whole kernel port.. |
| 10:58.59 | Bogaurd | Shadur, i am trying to use it, but i get many errors, then my link stops working. what packages did you need to install? and what kernel? |
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| 10:59.10 | mattiSn | fatal__: so that would be very cumbersome |
| 10:59.17 | hlux | can anyone give some help with isdn4linux ? isdnlog reports 2 following 2 errors every 30 seconds "Interrogation deivserion result" and "ReturnError: Invalid served user nr" |
| 10:59.20 | kg | HOw do I change the kernel HZ value? |
| 10:59.22 | Shadur | iproute, and I routinely roll my own kernels. |
| 11:00.16 | fatal__ | mattiSn: do you just want to grab nonexistent files? ... skip -N in the diff and new files contents will not be in the diff output... just a line saying "dirX contains foo.c which is not in dirY"... |
| 11:00.20 | mattiSn | fatal__: I want this because I would like to port the kernelport to a newer kernel version |
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| 11:00.58 | Woodrag | is there anyone having difficulties installing kdenetwork-filesharing_4%3a3.3.1-2_i386.deb in testing??? |
| 11:01.03 | angelo_caduto | plop |
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| 11:02.04 | fatal__ | mattiSn: AFAIK that's usually done by applying the file and then looking at the rejects and fixing it up manually.... it is hard work, but there is no other way (unless you can teach your computer to write and understand sourcecode. But the AI in that would be scary). |
| 11:02.08 | Bogaurd | Shadur, any idea why i get this: |
| 11:02.08 | Bogaurd | RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 11:02.31 | mosty | bogaurd: probably an incompatible kernel version. what kernel does wondershaper require? |
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| 11:02.54 | Bogaurd | it says any modern kernal above 2.2 i think |
| 11:02.59 | Bogaurd | i ran on my rh9 2.4 |
| 11:03.01 | mattiSn | fatal__: hmm, no im not looking for ai, I simply want the files as they are from the patch file, so that I can read and understand what has been done |
| 11:03.13 | Shadur | Bogaurd: check dmesg and check whether you have the htb driver loaded in your kernel |
| 11:03.14 | mosty | bogaurd, and what kernel are you running? |
| 11:03.20 | mattiSn | fatal__: at this point I dont even have a clue what files are added/removed/modifies |
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| 11:03.50 | Bogaurd | the latest 2.4 available with apt get |
| 11:03.52 | fatal__ | mattiSn: if you want to know what changes the patch does, read the patch itself.... |
| 11:04.15 | Bogaurd | 2.4.18 |
| 11:04.20 | Woodrag | is there anyone having difficulties installing kdenetwork-filesharing_4%3a3.3.1-2_i386.deb in testing??? |
| 11:04.21 | mattiSn | fatal__: sure, I would just prefer to have the files separeted |
| 11:04.25 | Bogaurd | and no, dmesg has nothing about htb |
| 11:04.28 | Woodrag | i am |
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| 11:05.04 | mattiSn | fatal__: sure, I assume some shell scripting would do it, but I guess im not the first one to want this so I would assmume there is a command to do it |
| 11:05.10 | Bogaurd | Shadur, nothing about htb in dmesg |
| 11:05.31 | fatal__ | mattiSn: so what you want to do is break up the patch into 1 patch per modified file? |
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| 11:06.05 | gothtec | !lart me |
| 11:06.11 | mattiSn | fatal__ :yes |
| 11:06.30 | gothtec | !lart me |
| 11:06.31 | DrPete | Do programs like hylafax enable you to send and recived faxs from a winbox, via a linux server running halafax? |
| 11:06.42 | mattiSn | fatal__ : that would give a superb overview |
| 11:07.07 | fatal__ | mattiSn: I don't understand why anyone would want to do that... but if you really want to write a script that looks for the "--- old/foo.c" <newline> "+++ new/foo.c" markers in the patch and split right before it.... |
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| 11:07.53 | edhiltir | Hi, is /etc/hotplug/pci.handmap used by /etc/hotplug/pci.agent on a debian system ? |
| 11:07.54 | mattiSn | fatal__: I want that becuase of the overview, and becuase the port isnt documented |
| 11:08.11 | mosty | drpete: yes. you'll need a client for windows, but it's possible |
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| 11:08.39 | tuxy17 | hi |
| 11:08.53 | Bogaurd | how can i check if RTNETLINK is enabled in my kernel? |
| 11:09.11 | Shadur | Bogaurd: www.lartc.org |
| 11:09.16 | tuxy17 | how to configure vncserver to be setup on display 0 ? (current client screen) |
| 11:09.37 | directhex|work | tuxy17, use a vnc server whisn supports it? |
| 11:10.07 | DrPete | mosty: thanks, at the moment I use a winxp box with there fax service, it seems to work quite well, however I am looking for a more permanent service in linux. If I get a client does the service work well? do yo know of any problems? |
| 11:10.40 | petemc | tuxy17: rfb or vino |
| 11:10.59 | PerfDave | DrPete: You might want to check hylafax-specific documentation and see what they say. |
| 11:11.20 | p30n | what program can i use to burn .raw files? |
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| 11:11.39 | mosty | drpete: i only use it for incoming faxes, i can't answer your question. |
| 11:11.39 | PerfDave | tuxy17: Look at rfb solutions - "apt-cache search rfb" |
| 11:11.57 | mosty | p30n, wtf is a .raw file? it could be anything |
| 11:12.34 | zakame | hi all! |
| 11:12.46 | p30n | well i have this debian mini installer on .raw file and it says it exactly the same as an iso, but i couldnt find the iso so i took the raw |
| 11:12.59 | stew | Bogaurd: grep NET_SCH /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 11:12.59 | PerfDave | p30n: "debian mini installer"? Where did you get it from? |
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| 11:13.19 | PerfDave | p30n: And under which operating system are you trying to burn it? |
| 11:13.23 | p30n | LordSutch.com ISOLINUX-mini-ISO |
| 11:13.33 | stew | Bogaurd: and grep for QOS too |
| 11:13.33 | p30n | i need to burn it in windows so i can start isntalling debian |
| 11:13.40 | mosty | p30n, burn it with cdrecord |
| 11:13.50 | p30n | u think nero can handle it? |
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| 11:13.56 | p30n | i dont have cdrecord atm |
| 11:14.00 | mosty | p30n, nero will do |
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| 11:14.15 | p30n | ok great, it works like an .iso then? |
| 11:14.23 | alexscott | plop |
| 11:14.48 | DrPete | PerfDave: Yeh, just looking now :) Will i use asterix to detect if the incomming calls are faxes? |
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| 11:14.49 | mosty | p30n, you just said it was the same as a .iso |
| 11:15.00 | p30n | thats what the readme said |
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| 11:15.09 | p30n | im just not familiar with .raw fiels |
| 11:15.14 | p30n | files* |
| 11:15.37 | jm_ | so rename it to iso if the extension is bothering you |
| 11:15.44 | mosty | p30n, it is an iso file. just with a different extension |
| 11:15.47 | PerfDave | DrPete: No idea whether hylafax can do that on its own, I'm afraid, I've not used either. |
| 11:15.48 | pwned | is there a log where I can read why a package has been "kept back" from being upgraded? |
| 11:16.03 | directhex|work | "Note that the .raw and .iso files are the same; the .iso name is just provided for those who don't know what to do with a .raw file :-) You don't need to download both!" |
| 11:16.04 | p30n | heh ok, why do they have to make it .raw in the first place? |
| 11:16.05 | stew | DrPete: last I looked receiving faxes in asterisk was just starting to become real, you should ask in #asterisk |
| 11:16.07 | PerfDave | pwned: "apt-get --simulate install $package" should tell you |
| 11:16.08 | zakame | what's a good console IM client? |
| 11:16.14 | PerfDave | zakame: irssi and bitlbee |
| 11:16.17 | pwned | PerfDave, thanks, I'll do |
| 11:16.19 | stew | zakame: bitlbee |
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| 11:16.24 | hehaho | hi |
| 11:16.28 | zakame | bitlbee? |
| 11:16.29 | directhex|work | pwned, because you use upgrade not dist-upgrade, and dependancies have changed? |
| 11:16.33 | tuxy17 | petemc, PerfDave yeap i know about x0rfbserver, wich works very well, but i need an invisible server. Not like x0rfbserver wich displays a small window when running |
| 11:16.33 | DrPete | stew: yeah, i poped there but it was empty |
| 11:16.36 | hehaho | hey direct guy |
| 11:16.40 | p30n | directhex|work: i couldnt find the iso on the server that was closest to me so i took the raw |
| 11:16.41 | pwned | directhex|work, no I used dist-upgrade |
| 11:16.48 | directhex|work | tuxy17, vino, then |
| 11:16.57 | pwned | but Ikeep that in mind as well |
| 11:16.57 | mosty | p30n, ignore the extension |
| 11:16.57 | stew | DrPete: piav |
| 11:17.06 | PerfDave | zakame: bitlbee is an IRC <-> IM gateway daemon, allows you to connect to IM networks with an IRC client. bitlbee is a powerful and easy to use console-mode IRC client. |
| 11:17.07 | hehaho | <directhex|work> hey, i need help |
| 11:17.15 | p30n | mosty: kthx |
| 11:17.16 | directhex|work | !ask |
| 11:17.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 11:17.17 | zakame | PerfDave: oic, thanks! |
| 11:17.25 | PerfDave | tuxy17: Try one of the other rfb servers? |
| 11:17.34 | tuxy17 | directhex|work, ok, thanks, i didn't know this piece of software. |
| 11:17.45 | PerfDave | tuxy17: There may be some way to disable the window in x0rfbserver also? |
| 11:17.46 | hehaho | <directhex|work> u see....i downloaded gnome....but then some file named gpedit refuses to download....so now how do i run gnome |
| 11:17.57 | tuxy17 | PerfDave, i tried, no way :/ |
| 11:18.04 | jethro | !curse gnome |
| 11:18.05 | dpkg | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, gnome ! |
| 11:18.08 | hlux | p30n : to make you fell a little better, i think you can find an iso here ---> http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian-minicd/ |
| 11:18.14 | PerfDave | tuxy17: Hmm, 'fraid I can't help, I don't really have any use for VNC myself. |
| 11:18.27 | tuxy17 | PerfDave, np, thanks |
| 11:18.31 | PerfDave | p30n: Why are you using some unofficial third party Debian installer instead of an official one? |
| 11:18.32 | directhex|work | hehaho, what exactly is happening? |
| 11:18.32 | zakame | now getting bitlbee from http.us... |
| 11:18.38 | p30n | hlux: thx but im ok, im downloading the raw from a close server atm so.. |
| 11:18.50 | hehaho | <directhex|work> how do i run gnome? |
| 11:18.54 | hlux | p30n : welcome |
| 11:19.08 | DrPete | YOu see i have one phone line, and i want to recieve voice and faxes on that one line. I was hoping that my linux box could answer, reiceve a fax if it was a fax, or allow me to answer if it was voice |
| 11:19.18 | directhex|work | hehaho, depends. do you want a graphical login screen, or a command line login with startx? |
| 11:19.43 | p30n | PerfDave: u saying i should use something else? pls tell me, im not familiar with debian and this is my first try on it. i thought this was a good installer. |
| 11:19.46 | hehaho | <directhex|work> huh? |
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| 11:20.04 | PerfDave | p30n: I don't see why you're not using an official Debian installer. Which version of Debian are you trying to install? |
| 11:20.08 | hehaho | <directhex|work> i thought gnome is graphical interface or something like that/ |
| 11:20.12 | SlayerXP | hmmm, what's everyone's choice of wysiwyg web page editor these days? |
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| 11:20.18 | p30n | PerfDave: the stable one |
| 11:20.31 | p30n | SlayerXP: dreamweaver XP |
| 11:20.31 | zakame | emacs |
| 11:20.37 | hlux | p30n : did you have a look at knoppix ? |
| 11:20.46 | p30n | hlux: i want debian |
| 11:20.48 | SlayerXP | p30n: I didn't know there was a linux port |
| 11:20.54 | directhex|work | hehaho, gnome is a desktop environment for x windows. you need a method of logging into the system, running X, and running Gnome, not neccessarily in that order |
| 11:20.56 | hlux | p30n : it is debian |
| 11:21.03 | stew | hlux: no |
| 11:21.10 | pwned | ah. I found the dependancy in experimental |
| 11:21.13 | PerfDave | p30n: I'd download the first 3.0r4 CD ISO using BitTorrent, from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/current/i386/ |
| 11:21.18 | hehaho | <directhex|work> icic |
| 11:21.20 | PerfDave | hlux: No, Knoppix is not Debian |
| 11:21.21 | stew | hlux: /topic |
| 11:21.22 | p30n | hlux: well i dont want knoppix |
| 11:21.22 | hehaho | <directhex|work> what do u suggets? |
| 11:21.30 | stew | p30n: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 11:21.34 | p30n | PerfDave: ok thank u |
| 11:21.35 | edhiltir | can someone help me about hotplug and pci.handmap ? Does debian include this ability ? |
| 11:21.36 | directhex|work | hehaho, apt-get install gdm |
| 11:21.58 | DrPete | thanks for all your help, I am gonna read up |
| 11:22.06 | hlux | knoopix.net says Knoppix is a Live Linux CD based on Debian GNU/Linux |
| 11:22.14 | hehaho | <directhex|work> is that the command? |
| 11:22.14 | directhex|work | !based on |
| 11:22.15 | zakame | I found a used copy of "Learning debian gnu/linx" from o'reilly, with a complimentary copy of potato, perhaps that's what you're looking for... |
| 11:22.20 | stew | !knoppixsmite hlux |
| 11:22.28 | hehaho | <directhex|work> or will tat download gnome again? |
| 11:22.28 | ledet | hlux: "based on" being the central part |
| 11:22.41 | ledet | hlux: it is still not debian |
| 11:22.44 | hlux | well i think it gives a good impression on how debian is like if you just want to give it a try |
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| 11:23.04 | directhex|work | hehaho, "apt-get install gdm" will... download and install gdm! |
| 11:23.07 | PerfDave | hlux: "based on". Knoppix is not Debian. Knoppix is not supported by #debian. Knoppix problems are rarely solved with Debian solutions. Knoppix has neither the stability nor the sheer development might which characterises Debian. |
| 11:23.10 | hlux | it is more debian than anything else, isnt it ? |
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| 11:23.24 | directhex|work | hehaho, and if you try to apt-get install something already on the system, it won't re-download anything it doesn't need to. |
| 11:23.29 | PerfDave | hlux: It gives a good impression on Linux if you run it from a CD, but you do *not* want to let it rape your hard drive. |
| 11:23.29 | slackd00d | how do i make proftpd start? |
| 11:23.42 | slackd00d | or use sftp or whatever |
| 11:23.42 | stew | hlux: no, its not more debian than, say, debian |
| 11:23.45 | hehaho | <directhex|work> k |
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| 11:23.46 | p30n | hlux: well if i wanted knoppix i would have downloaded it and i wouldnt have been here, i want debian, period |
| 11:23.49 | hehaho | <directhex|work> i go try it out |
| 11:23.58 | Shadur | p30n: www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 11:24.01 | directhex|work | !tell p30n about d-i |
| 11:24.02 | edhiltir | slackd00d: /etc.init.d/proftpd start |
| 11:24.03 | p30n | thx |
| 11:24.11 | edhiltir | slackd00d: /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
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| 11:24.21 | slackd00d | thank you |
| 11:24.35 | hlux | calm down lads, i didn't mean to offend. I'm not saying that it is better than debian or more debian thatn debian itself |
| 11:24.39 | PerfDave | hehaho: Do you think you could configure your IRC client to reply to hexxeh using "directhex|work:" instead of "<directhex|work>"? The latter notation is most commonly used for quoting people, not replying to them, and it's a bit confusing the way you're using it. |
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| 11:24.49 | hehaho | <directhex|work> it ask me to choose between gdm or xdm |
| 11:24.51 | PerfDave | hlux: You said that Knoppix was Debian, which is incorrect :) |
| 11:24.52 | stew | hlux: troll elsewhere |
| 11:24.53 | hehaho | which one do i choose |
| 11:25.14 | hlux | PerfDave : well if is means == you're right |
| 11:25.26 | directhex|work | hehaho, you just installed gdm. does that give you a clue as to which one you want to use? |
| 11:25.52 | hehaho | no |
| 11:25.58 | aum | hi - got an hp6300C USB scanner that was working fine on unstable with 2.4 kernel, now fscks up with 2.6 kernel - any suggestions? |
| 11:26.07 | hehaho | <directhex|work> i missed te text part....i pressed the enter too quickly |
| 11:26.18 | hehaho | <directhex|work> what is the difference anyway? |
| 11:26.33 | PerfDave | !works in 2.4 |
| 11:26.33 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 11:26.41 | directhex|work | hehaho, one looks like a 1970s throwback, with no configuration. one works. |
| 11:26.43 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 11:26.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
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| 11:26.54 | PerfDave | directhex|work: To be fair, they both *work* |
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| 11:27.05 | Jeroen_ | Does anyone know how to shut off the beep after auto-completing commandos? |
| 11:27.07 | hehaho | <directhex|work> so u suggest gdm? |
| 11:27.18 | directhex|work | PerfDave, debatable |
| 11:27.20 | raghu | how to add apachemodule mod_proxy.so? |
| 11:27.21 | aum | sane-find-scanner displays the scanner, but 'xsane' and 'xscanimage' complain 'no devices available' |
| 11:27.37 | stew | Jeroen_: in x or console? |
| 11:27.40 | mosty | jeroen: that's a terminal setting. man xset (if you're in X) and man setterm and man stty (if you're on the console) |
| 11:27.40 | Jeroen_ | console |
| 11:27.41 | directhex|work | hehaho, you think? the fact that i've already told you multiple times to install it might mean i think you should install it? |
| 11:27.48 | Jeroen_ | OK thanks. |
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| 11:27.57 | hehaho | <directhex|work> k...sorry for me being a nag |
| 11:28.08 | stew | Jeroen_: or the surefire method is yank the speaker cable from the motherboard :) |
| 11:28.21 | Bogaurd41 | argh, why does my shaper script block all traffic on the interface :( |
| 11:28.28 | raghu | how to add apachemodule mod_proxy.so in debian...is ther apt-get for it?? |
| 11:28.29 | Bogaurd41 | and not let me use htp |
| 11:28.30 | Jeroen_ | stew :) |
| 11:28.32 | Bogaurd41 | htb |
| 11:28.38 | jm_ | raghu: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:28.45 | Linoleum | hell |
| 11:28.46 | Linoleum | o$ |
| 11:28.48 | p30n | i dont know which one i should choose on http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/cd-images/debian-weekly/i386/ hmm |
| 11:29.02 | stew | Bogaurd41: is htb in the kernel? |
| 11:29.03 | Linoleum | just CD 1 |
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| 11:29.06 | raghu | jm_: did no luck |
| 11:29.15 | jm_ | raghu: are you using Woody? |
| 11:29.15 | Shadur | p30n: Just grab the netinst image |
| 11:29.16 | hehaho | btw...anyone knows what is gpedit and what does it do? |
| 11:29.23 | Bogaurd41 | stew, it doesnt seem so, so i am using the cbq version |
| 11:29.32 | space-gost | ...alguém aqui poderia dizer-me,se é possivel conectar um programa remoto e guarda-lo no mail-box...??? |
| 11:29.36 | raghu | jm_: it is base sytem |
| 11:29.38 | mosty | hehaho, mr google knows |
| 11:29.42 | Bogaurd41 | stew, but no luck there either :( |
| 11:29.47 | hehaho | okay:D |
| 11:29.47 | jm_ | raghu: that doesn't answer my question |
| 11:29.53 | PerfDave | aum: Maybe you need to manually tell xsane and xscanimage where your scanner is in /dev? Just a guess, I don't use scanners. |
| 11:29.57 | stew | Bogaurd41: htb was i think the last one to be added, it might have still required a patch on 2.4.18, i dont' remember |
| 11:30.18 | Linoleum | I got a question :how is the NVIDIA card (6600 GT) under debian?? do drivers easy to install?? is it better than ATI (I got ATI actually and it's not cool) |
| 11:30.19 | PerfDave | p30n: I thought you said you wanted to install the latest stable release? Those aren't stable ISOs. |
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| 11:30.30 | raghu | jm_: it is a debian sarge |
| 11:30.35 | hehaho | does it matter if linux has gpedit? |
| 11:30.35 | nakeee | if I reported a bug and someone added a comment to it how do I answer? |
| 11:30.36 | stew | Bogaurd41: have you tried a well known working script? like the cbq version of wondershaper? |
| 11:30.37 | Jeroen_ | setterm -blength (apparantly, thanks guys) |
| 11:30.40 | nakeee | can I just reply the mail I got? |
| 11:30.47 | Bogaurd41 | stew, thats what i am trying ;) |
| 11:30.48 | PerfDave | p30n: If you want to install Stable, download the first 3.0r4 CD ISO using BitTorrent, from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/current/i386/ or just read the Woody (stable) installation manual. |
| 11:30.57 | PerfDave | nakeee: Check the documentation at http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 11:30.57 | mosty | hehaho, if linux doesn't have gpedit, god kills a kitten |
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| 11:31.14 | jm_ | raghu: then do "/msg dpkg search" and this time really read it and find the package with it, but first check if you really want to use that package |
| 11:31.21 | hehaho | erm...as in? |
| 11:31.39 | Bogaurd41 | stew, any idea on why it would stop all traffic on the interface? it used to work fine on my old distro |
| 11:31.41 | PerfDave | Linoleum: nvidia cards in general are better supported than ATI cards, it seems. Installing the binary nvidia drivers is a piece of piss in Sarge, probably more tricky in Woody. |
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| 11:31.44 | directhex|work | Linoleum, it will work fine, assuming you use the debian nvidia packages and not nvidia-installer |
| 11:31.52 | directhex|work | Linoleum, a 2.6 kernel also helps, at the moment |
| 11:32.04 | stew | Bogaurd41: dunno, i never had problems with it at all |
| 11:32.12 | hehaho | <directhex|work> after i install the gdm package...what do i do? |
| 11:32.14 | directhex|work | Linoleum, and it'd be probably 2-3 times faster & more compatible than an equivalently priced ati |
| 11:32.17 | Bogaurd41 | stew, what kernel? |
| 11:32.19 | tuxy17 | directhex|work, is there nvidia packages for 2.6 ? |
| 11:32.23 | directhex|work | hehaho, "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" |
| 11:32.28 | hehaho | okay |
| 11:32.29 | hehaho | thx |
| 11:32.43 | PerfDave | tuxy17: /msg dpkg nvidia, read the instructions at the URL given, use module-assistant, everything should Just Work. |
| 11:32.45 | p30n | PerfDave: somebody directed me to that page |
| 11:32.50 | p30n | and now im confused |
| 11:32.59 | stew | Bogaurd41: i ran it on woody for a year or two, not using it anymore, replaced my firewall with m0n0wall |
| 11:33.03 | PerfDave | p30n: That somebody was wrong, if you want to install the stable release. |
| 11:33.21 | p30n | simple, i want debian nothing more nothing less |
| 11:33.29 | Bogaurd41 | stew, hmm... cant remember what you needed to do to get it to work on woody? |
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| 11:33.33 | Linoleum | ok tkx a lot : last question : if I use the latest kernel (2.6.10 ) will the nvidia driver (via APT-GET install) will work properly ? |
| 11:33.37 | stew | Bogaurd41: ran it on a number of kernels, i know i at least had to start out patching for htb but i don't remember where i ended up |
| 11:33.52 | Bogaurd41 | stew, ok |
| 11:34.04 | directhex|work | p30n, there are three "current" debian releases. woody (july 2002, 'stable'), sarge (2005 sometime, 'testing') and sid (never, 'unstable) |
| 11:34.09 | PerfDave | p30n: There are two options. The stable release ("Woody") has older software, but security updates and more reliability. The testing release ("Sarge") has significantly more modern software, an easier install but is less ssecure and reliable. |
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| 11:34.12 | p30n | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso <-- is that a stable? cuz im dling that now |
| 11:34.12 | cagdas | hi all! |
| 11:34.17 | stew | Bogaurd41: the cbq version was just plug in some numbers and away you go |
| 11:34.29 | stew | Bogaurd41: htb version i think required a kernel patch |
| 11:34.30 | directhex|work | p30n, for a desktop, use sarge. for a server, use woody. woody may react badly to hardware made after early 2002 |
| 11:34.32 | PerfDave | p30n: No, that's not stable. |
| 11:34.38 | cagdas | which packages do I need to run nvidia installer? |
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| 11:34.44 | PerfDave | cagdas: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 11:34.49 | PerfDave | cagdas: Don't use the nvidia installer. |
| 11:34.49 | stew | i only ran the cbq version as long as it took to build a patched kernel probably |
| 11:34.52 | directhex|work | !nvidia-installer |
| 11:34.52 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia-installer is a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia howto> |
| 11:34.56 | p30n | im gonna go for sarge now |
| 11:35.07 | PerfDave | p30n: Read the Sarge installation manual then. |
| 11:35.20 | jhaig | How can I install CPAN? 'apt-get install cpan' couldn't find it. |
| 11:35.21 | hehaho | <directhex|work> is debian suppose to look like a green screen and nothing else? |
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| 11:35.37 | PerfDave | jhaig: CPAN is a website, not a package. |
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| 11:35.44 | stew | jhaig: no need to use CPAN on debian, everything you need should be apt-getable |
| 11:35.56 | jethro | jhaig: installed the perl modules packaged by debian, don't use cpan unless you need to do so |
| 11:36.00 | PerfDave | jhaig: If you want to install Perl modules, they are normally packaged as lib(thingy)-perl, or use dh-make-perl to create your own Debian packages from CPAN modules. |
| 11:36.04 | jethro | s/installed/install/ |
| 11:36.11 | jhaig | stew: I cannot find Text::Balanced |
| 11:36.13 | directhex|work | hehaho, only if you configured your x server incorrectly |
| 11:36.16 | Bogaurd41 | stew, cbq version doesnt work for me :( |
| 11:36.25 | Bogaurd41 | stops all traffic on the link |
| 11:36.28 | hehaho | ohh... |
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| 11:36.34 | Linoleum | so , how can we install nvidia drivers under debian ?? apt-get install ??? |
| 11:36.37 | hehaho | <directhex|work> anyway to reconfigure it? |
| 11:36.41 | guru | using alsa, how do i specifiy that i have 6 speakers? |
| 11:36.41 | jhaig | stew: ... which isn't available by apt-get, as far as I can tell. |
| 11:36.42 | stew | !find Balanced.pm |
| 11:36.44 | PerfDave | Linoleum: /msg dpkg nvidia, read the URL, use module-assistant |
| 11:36.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Balanced.pm' (2 shown): (/usr/share/vdradmin/lib/Text/Balanced.pm) in web/vdradmin ;; (/usr/share/perl/5.8.4/Text/Balanced.pm) in perl/perl-modules. |
| 11:36.53 | Linoleum | tkx |
| 11:36.54 | p30n | another question, i have an AMG64 2800 and an old AMD thunderbird 1ghz, will the same debian version work on both or how can i make it work on my 64-bit?, altho thats is a later project |
| 11:36.56 | space-gost | ..alguem fala portugues ou espanhol aqui? |
| 11:36.57 | cagdas | PerfDave, thanks. But, I know to install deb packages. However, it said there are unresolved symbols both while apt-getting the packages and also modprobing. |
| 11:37.00 | p30n | ADM* |
| 11:37.07 | p30n | pfft, typo power |
| 11:37.12 | directhex|work | hehaho, as root, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 11:37.17 | mosty | p30n, worry about that later. |
| 11:37.21 | PerfDave | cagdas: While apt-getting *which* packages? |
| 11:37.28 | hehaho | <directhex|work> how do i enter root again? |
| 11:37.29 | PerfDave | !hispanic |
| 11:37.29 | dpkg | it has been said that hispanic is por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues; Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es |
| 11:37.35 | directhex|work | p30n, you can use i386 debian fine on both |
| 11:37.39 | p30n | mosty: actually i worry about that now, so i can decide which machine to start with |
| 11:37.41 | cagdas | PerfDave, nvidia-* |
| 11:38.16 | space-gost | #debian-br? |
| 11:38.16 | directhex|work | p30n, and you can't convert an i386 install to amd64 -it needs a fresh install, using the (currently) unofficial amd64 Sid (unstable) installer |
| 11:38.20 | PerfDave | cagdas: *which* packages? Are you following the instructions at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html and using module-assistant? |
| 11:38.20 | p30n | directhex|work: hmm but i read somewhere that i needed some other stuff for AMD64 architecture? |
| 11:38.26 | stew | jhaig: woody or sarge? |
| 11:38.31 | p30n | ok |
| 11:38.39 | directhex|work | cagdas, known problem with the premade 2.4 nvidia-kernel packages |
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| 11:38.57 | cagdas | PerfDave, I'll check.... |
| 11:38.59 | jhaig | stew: Stable. Is that woody? I lose track of the versions. |
| 11:39.08 | directhex|work | p30n, amd64 is 100% backward compatible with i386, that's the point |
| 11:39.12 | stew | !find Balanced.pm stable |
| 11:39.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Balanced.pm' (1 shown): (/usr/share/perl5/Text/Balanced.pm) in interpreters/libparse-recdescent-perl. |
| 11:39.18 | stew | jhaig: ^^^ |
| 11:39.21 | cagdas | directhex|work, how can I solve it, I found some messages in lists but no answer I could find |
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| 11:39.40 | directhex|work | cagdas, remove the supplied debian-kernel packages, build your own with module-assistant |
| 11:39.55 | stew | jhaig: that bot is just using apt-file search, you should too |
| 11:40.09 | jhaig | stew: Thanks. I'll look for that package. |
| 11:40.10 | p30n | directhex|work: good great thx, so i can use sarge on both then? |
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| 11:40.24 | space-gost | ..P3on,...loock for you, wrigth??? |
| 11:40.29 | Bogaurd41 | is there a way to turn off vim auto-indenting? |
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| 11:40.43 | hehaho | <directhex|work> how do i enter the rot thingy? |
| 11:40.45 | hehaho | *root |
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| 11:41.00 | directhex|work | p30n, you can use i386 sarge on both. if you WANT to use the 64bit features of the amd64, join #debian-amd64 and read up on the debian amd64 howto documents |
| 11:41.05 | p30n | space-gost: what? |
| 11:41.14 | directhex|work | hehaho, when logged in, "su" |
| 11:41.23 | petemc | Bogaurd41: set noautoindent |
| 11:41.29 | hehaho | <directhex|work> but now i cant get the same black screen as b4 |
| 11:41.43 | hehaho | so where i type in the commands? |
| 11:41.57 | directhex|work | hehaho, ctrl-alt-f1 to change to the first text console. graphics live on f7 |
| 11:42.02 | jan___ | Someone inhere has Samba + PAM running ? |
| 11:42.10 | Bogaurd41 | petemc, how can i give it that command? |
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| 11:42.29 | Capkirk | is it possible to convert a testing server to the new stable branch when its released? |
| 11:42.46 | petemc | Bogaurd41: :set noautoindent |
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| 11:42.59 | space-gost | ...creio que chamastes minha reles pessoa de estupida.Acredito que tenha sido somente um engano...Por isso escrevi aquilo...thanks ! |
| 11:43.05 | Bogaurd41 | petemc, thanks :) |
| 11:43.08 | PerfDave | Capkirk: Yes, change your sources.list to point to "sarge" instead of "testing" and it will not swap over to Etch when Sarge becomes stable. |
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| 11:43.25 | stew | !spanish |
| 11:43.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:43.30 | PerfDave | !tell space-gost -about hispanic |
| 11:43.49 | cagdas | PerfDave, directhex|work, thanks but you! |
| 11:43.53 | Capkirk | PerfDave: thanks :) |
| 11:43.55 | cagdas | PerfDave, directhex|work, thanks both you! |
| 11:43.56 | Linoleum | ok I got a new question : I am going to install the latest sarge on a system with 1,5 GO of RAM : will all the ram be detected automaticaly ??? or will I need to compile my own kernel? |
| 11:43.57 | cagdas | :) |
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| 11:44.13 | directhex|work | i think m-a worked for him |
| 11:44.14 | tuxy17 | space-gost, /join #debian-es |
| 11:44.15 | directhex|work | !m-a |
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| 11:44.29 | PerfDave | Linoleum: I think the Debian stock kernels recognise up to 1Gb RAM, but I could be wrong about this. |
| 11:44.32 | directhex|work | dpkg, m-a is your daddy. use it, especially for nvidia kernel module creation |
| 11:44.32 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 11:44.40 | hehaho | <directhex|work> the reonfigure thing asks me to enter my graphics bus number |
| 11:44.46 | hehaho | <directhex|work> what do i enter? |
| 11:44.52 | directhex|work | hehaho, it also says you can leave it blank |
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| 11:45.06 | stew | Linoleum: you need to compile your own kernel with HIMEM support |
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| 11:45.44 | Guerin | hehaho: don't use <nick> |
| 11:45.49 | Guerin | unless you want me to say |
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| 11:46.09 | Guerin | <hehaho> I like tranny pr0n |
| 11:46.16 | Guerin | which is a quote :) |
| 11:46.19 | fxf | question: I need to debootstrap unstable system but apt keeps downloading older version of libstdc++ which causes dependecy problems, new correct version is available but i dont know how tell debootstrap to use different version of package |
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| 11:46.59 | mosty | fxf, can you just upgrade after the install? |
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| 11:47.15 | Guerin | mosty: not if it causes broken deps |
| 11:47.22 | Linoleum | stew : so , I will never be able to use a stack kernel??? |
| 11:47.25 | Capkirk | PerfDave: thanks |
| 11:47.26 | Linoleum | stock kernel? |
| 11:47.35 | Guerin | fxf: which debootstrap? |
| 11:47.44 | fxf | cannot do the basic install because debootstrap fails |
| 11:47.55 | stew | Linoleum: not in the near future if you want to use more than 1g of ram |
| 11:48.17 | PerfDave | There's no disadvantage to running a himem-compiled kernel on a system with <1Gb RAM, is there? Might be worth asking the kernel maintainers to supply future kernel-images with that option compiled in. Or at least make -himem kernels available. |
| 11:48.19 | hehaho | <directhex|work> what do i choose when it asks me to choose the mouse port? |
| 11:48.37 | fxf | Guerin: i use gcc-3.4 amd64 port so it is really bleeding edge unstable distro.. |
| 11:48.45 | stew | why would debootstrap even be install libstdc++? its not part of base, is it? |
| 11:48.49 | guru | how do i get 5.1 support with alsa? |
| 11:48.50 | kbrooks | hehaho: stop quoting. |
| 11:48.52 | stew | s/install/insatlling/ |
| 11:48.59 | jethro | guru: #alsa |
| 11:49.02 | directhex|work | !devinputmice |
| 11:49.03 | dpkg | always ALWAYS pick /dev/input/mice, regardless. no really. Yes, even on a 2.4 kernel, even with PS/2. The rest should take care of itself. |
| 11:49.03 | PerfDave | fxf: Try asking #debian-amd64 |
| 11:49.04 | hehaho | huh? |
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| 11:49.24 | fxf | base-system depends on apt and apt depends on libstdc++6 |
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| 11:49.39 | stew | ah ok |
| 11:49.44 | Bogaurd | argh this is so frustrating! wondershaper gives no errors, but just stops my network from working! |
| 11:49.47 | fxf | PerDave: ok i will try but i think it is not amd64 specific problem... |
| 11:49.47 | Guerin | fxf: ah, joy. |
| 11:49.55 | kbrooks | hehaho: stop using <> to surround nicknames |
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| 11:50.45 | Guerin | fxf: there must be a list someplace of what packages are gotten - eeither hack that list, or wait until it sorts its shit out. |
| 11:50.55 | directhex|work | !tell hehaho about devinputmice |
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| 11:51.24 | mosty | bleh, these white peaches are crap |
| 11:51.32 | stew | fxf: check bts? maybe you could debootstrap off a custom mirror with the correct libstc++? |
| 11:51.42 | Guerin | really good white peaches are fantastic though |
| 11:51.44 | Guerin | man |
| 11:52.06 | Guerin | after eating them in asia, in season, I know why one of the chinese heavens is calle Peach Grove Heaven |
| 11:52.10 | fxf | problem is that this mirror has both versions of libstdc++ with the same package name... |
| 11:52.32 | Guerin | fxf: use a different mirror |
| 11:52.45 | fxf | i thought i could be solved by something like apt pinning - but apt is of course not installed... |
| 11:52.48 | stew | Bogaurd: does wshaper put iptables rules in that might be mucking you up? are you watching /var/log/messages? |
| 11:53.10 | fxf | Guerin: ok might be worth trying |
| 11:53.33 | Linoleum | ok there is something that I dont understand : actualy , I use stock kernel , when there is a new one, I just do apt-get instlal kernel-thelatest and it install everything automaticaly, it's really cool ... but if I nene himem-compiled kernel, will I be able to upgrade as easy as a stock kernel via apt-get ?? |
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| 11:54.10 | stew | fxf: 2 versions of a package with the same package name? either i dont' understand you or you misspoke. |
| 11:54.26 | Guerin | that should never happen |
| 11:54.32 | Guerin | your repo is busted |
| 11:54.35 | mosty | guerin: this is the first one i've ever eaten. it tastes like a really really bland pear. maybe it's not ripe enough :/ |
| 11:54.38 | karsten | OT: Anyone here every play with Tom's Root Boot. As in the images themselves? |
| 11:54.45 | stew | i don't understand what it even means |
| 11:54.51 | fxf | apt-cache show libstdc++6 shows two packages |
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| 11:55.03 | Guerin | mosty: it should be sweet and soft annd fragrant |
| 11:55.14 | Guerin | mosty: but the ones I got back home were shite too |
| 11:55.14 | PerfDave | Linoleum: No, you won't be able to upgrade as easily, but it's not exactly hard. |
| 11:55.19 | jhaig | !find Fork.pm stable |
| 11:55.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Fork.pm' returned no results. |
| 11:55.39 | fxf | one is in section base and one in section libs but otherwise they have same name and different versions... |
| 11:55.46 | mosty | guerin: the regular yellow kind are in season here too, and they're good at the moment. but this is very ordinary. oh well |
| 11:55.52 | stew | fxf: what does the Packages.gz say for the mirror though, doesn't really matter what apt-cache shows since thats showing your cache not debootstrap's mirror |
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| 11:59.04 | fxf | stew: Packages file has also two versions of the same package :( |
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| 12:00.24 | stew | fxf: which package? which mirror? |
| 12:00.35 | stew | libstdc++6? |
| 12:01.27 | fxf | stew: yup libstdc++6 |
| 12:01.33 | hehaho | <directhex|work> i reconfigured my xserver already |
| 12:01.42 | stew | !depends apt |
| 12:01.44 | dpkg | apt: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1) |
| 12:01.51 | hehaho | <directhex|work> but it still shows a green screen and a mouse |
| 12:01.57 | stew | !rdepends libstdc++6 |
| 12:01.57 | Linoleum | Jet |
| 12:02.01 | Linoleum | jethro : tkx |
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| 12:02.09 | stew | actually does dpkg even have rdepends? |
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| 12:02.12 | fxf | stew: i use http://bach.hpc2n.umu.se/gcc-3.4/ since you know amd64 is still not official debian port :( |
| 12:02.20 | stew | ahh |
| 12:02.26 | stew | ok, then my work here is done |
| 12:02.29 | directhex|work | stew, apt-cache has rdepends |
| 12:02.39 | stew | fxf: you really need to go to #debian-amd64 |
| 12:02.42 | directhex|work | fxf, the hard disk in bach died recently. i'd use the main alioth mirror |
| 12:02.52 | karsten | dd bs=1k if=tomsrtbt.raw skip=867 | dd count=1709 | bzip2 -d > /tmp/tomsrtbt |
| 12:02.55 | hehaho | <directhex|work> any idea wats wrong? |
| 12:03.10 | karsten | file /tmp/tomsrtbt: /tmp/tomsrtbt: Minix filesystem, 30 char names |
| 12:03.11 | fxf | stew: #debian-amd64 seems to be deserted |
| 12:03.14 | karsten | Loopback mount. |
| 12:03.20 | karsten | If anyone cares ;-) |
| 12:03.33 | PerfDave | hehaho: Do you think you could configure your IRC client to reply to hexxeh using "directhex|work:" instead of "<directhex|work>"? The latter notation is most commonly used for quoting people, not replying to them, and it's a bit confusing the way you're using it. |
| 12:03.34 | directhex|work | hehaho, you need to restart x for changes to take effect (/etc/init.d/gdm restart) |
| 12:03.45 | fxf | diresthex|work: ok i will try it thanks |
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| 12:04.02 | FabParma | wihle readinge tha "help" i get this msg: "The requested help file could not be found. Check that you have installed the documentation." |
| 12:04.22 | fxf | i also find /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/sid that might be worth hacking if nothing else works... |
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| 12:06.30 | FabParma | while i was reading the "help" on Sarge, i get this msg: "The requested help file could not be found. Check that you have installed the documentation." . how can i install all manuals? |
| 12:06.51 | jethro | Linoleum: yw |
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| 12:10.57 | hehaho | directhex|work okay |
| 12:11.10 | hehaho | directhex|work: i tried restartingalready |
| 12:11.16 | hehaho | but it is still the green screen |
| 12:11.33 | PerfDave | FabParma: You don't want to install all manuals. Install the -doc package for the software you want documentation for. |
| 12:12.02 | directhex|work | hehaho, then something's still wrong. |
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| 12:12.27 | hehaho | directhex|work: example? |
| 12:13.05 | hehaho | directhex|work: must i donwload something? |
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| 12:13.19 | directhex|work | hehaho, you picked the wrong graphics driver? your hardware isn't supported by your x server? you said 'yes' to the framebuffer question? you have an idiotic color depth or resolution range set? |
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| 12:13.53 | hehaho | directhex|work: i picked the right driver |
| 12:13.54 | directhex|work | hehaho, assuming you want gnome, gdm and x working, just in case, type "apt-get update && apt-get install gnome x-window-system gdm" |
| 12:13.55 | hehaho | k |
| 12:14.07 | hehaho | directhex|work: is there suppose to be icons in the window? |
| 12:14.23 | directhex|work | oh i give up. i really fucking give up. i'm off for lunch |
| 12:14.35 | hehaho | directhex|work: sorry to annoy u |
| 12:14.42 | hehaho | directhex|work: really sorry |
| 12:14.46 | gilles | how to install alsa with apt-get ? |
| 12:14.52 | Coke | hehaho: WHAT window? |
| 12:14.53 | hehaho | directhex|work: i know you have helpped me alot |
| 12:14.54 | PerfDave | gilles: apt-cache search alsa |
| 12:14.59 | hehaho | directhex|work: i really appreaciate that |
| 12:15.06 | hehaho | directhex|work: i am very sorry |
| 12:15.09 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 12:15.25 | hklygre | I'm having problems with an NFS-server here, and I can see with rpcinfo that lockmgr isn't running, but ps shows [lockd] as a process. Isn't this supposed to be the same process? |
| 12:15.30 | gilles | PerfDave: ok, but how to install it then ? |
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| 12:16.02 | gilles | PerfDave: i mean, install alsa-base |
| 12:16.21 | Coke | gilles: man apt-get apt-cache |
| 12:16.40 | gilles | apt-get -i alsa-base didn't work |
| 12:16.51 | hehaho | can i ask someone a qns? |
| 12:16.52 | PerfDave | !faq gilles |
| 12:16.53 | dpkg | gilles: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:16.53 | Coke | gilles: man apt-get apt-cache |
| 12:17.03 | gilles | actually apt and aptitude don't work anymore |
| 12:17.06 | Coke | !tell hehaho about ask |
| 12:17.18 | PerfDave | gilles: Are you using Debian? |
| 12:17.23 | gilles | of course |
| 12:17.27 | PerfDave | !doesn't work |
| 12:17.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 12:17.29 | hklygre | And if so, how do I get the portmapper to make nlockmgr available? This is debian sarge. |
| 12:18.06 | Linoleum | ok : my question is : How can I keep my stock kernel and run the Himem module to has my 1,5 GO ram detected?? |
| 12:18.22 | FabParma | PerfDave: how can i download these manuals/documentation. is there a command to invoke? |
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| 12:18.28 | PerfDave | Linoleum: himem support is not a module, it's a kernel compile option. |
| 12:18.35 | PerfDave | FabParma: Which manuals / documentation? |
| 12:18.55 | DerJamster | Linoleum: Woody or Sarge? |
| 12:19.04 | FabParma | PerfDave: about monitors |
| 12:19.07 | PerfDave | Linoleum: You will have to use the kernel-source package if there are no provided kernel-images with himem support. |
| 12:19.10 | PerfDave | FabParma: Which manuals / documentation? |
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| 12:19.58 | hehaho | i have just installed linux debian version sarge |
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| 12:20.11 | PerfDave | gilles: I think you want to fix your APT problem before you go worrying about sound :) |
| 12:20.11 | hehaho | now i have the problem of having a weird graphical interface |
| 12:20.13 | toresbe | Linoleum: You are my kitchen floor! |
| 12:20.14 | shadowcat | how do I restart a service on debian? |
| 12:20.23 | PerfDave | shadowcat: /etc/init.d/$service restart |
| 12:20.25 | Linoleum | ok I understand ... :( . And so I guess if I compile my own kernel, I will loose the adventages of having a stock kernel (like installing module just with apt-get... ) ?? am I right? |
| 12:20.30 | SlayerXP | shadowcat: the same way as on most other distros |
| 12:20.34 | Linoleum | lol trench |
| 12:20.35 | DerJamster | Linoleum: Woody? |
| 12:20.37 | shadowcat | PerfDave: thanks |
| 12:20.39 | Linoleum | lol toresbe |
| 12:20.48 | Linoleum | DerJamster : SID |
| 12:20.50 | hehaho | i have already installed gnome and xwindow |
| 12:21.02 | gilles | PerfDave: i know, i choose alsa to make a download test |
| 12:21.03 | DerJamster | Linoleum: There are no himem enabled kernel-images for SID? |
| 12:21.10 | toresbe | Linoleum: I used to sit on yyou for hours watching the washuing machine as a babyy |
| 12:21.11 | hehaho | but still i get this graphical interface of a green screen and a black mouse pointer |
| 12:21.15 | DerJamster | Linoleum: Weird..I have a stock Sarge and it detect my 1.5 gig ram just fine |
| 12:21.17 | hehaho | can someone help me? |
| 12:21.22 | DerJamster | detectS |
| 12:21.28 | PerfDave | hehaho: /msg dpkg enter |
| 12:21.41 | Linoleum | DerJamster : I dont know, I am not under debian ATM ... |
| 12:21.51 | Mage_ | hehaho: vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:21.53 | hehaho | please repeat...i dont understand what u mean perfdave |
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| 12:21.54 | PerfDave | Linoleum: http://packages.debian.org |
| 12:22.02 | Coke | Linoleum: what kernel are you using? |
| 12:22.07 | PerfDave | Mage_: Don't tell people to hand-edit their X config. |
| 12:22.07 | Linoleum | DerJamster hey but if you can check ... or , if you sai that your stock kernel allredy works ... |
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| 12:22.11 | PerfDave | !msgdpkg |
| 12:22.11 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. |
| 12:22.13 | Linoleum | Coke I use latst |
| 12:22.15 | PerfDave | hehaho: ^^^ |
| 12:22.19 | Coke | Linoleum: ? |
| 12:22.19 | Linoleum | 3.6.10 |
| 12:22.25 | Mage_ | why? |
| 12:22.27 | Coke | Linoleum: there is no such kernel |
| 12:22.33 | PerfDave | Mage_: Because it's bad advice, because it breaks dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 12:22.56 | Mage_ | breaks ? |
| 12:22.57 | PerfDave | Mage_: So when somebody tells them to dpkg-reconfigure something, it won't work, and they'll get more confused. |
| 12:22.58 | Coke | Linoleum: you mean 2.6.10? in that case you have two types of high mem support; 1-4Gb and 4-64Gb. |
| 12:23.02 | PerfDave | Mage_: /msg dpkg x md5sum |
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| 12:23.06 | Coke | Linoleum: none of them are enabled by default. |
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| 12:23.12 | hehaho | mage: do i type in vi? |
| 12:23.27 | DerJamster | Coke: Strange... |
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| 12:23.31 | PerfDave | hehaho: Do *not* hand-edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 12:23.33 | Zenox | Is there a package to have an instant message server on Debian (proxy)... And then be able to connect to that server with clients over the internet (or vpn, or tunneling through ssh)...? |
| 12:23.35 | Coke | DerJamster: why? |
| 12:23.37 | Mage_ | PerfDave: something it's necessary to hand-edit ... |
| 12:23.39 | DerJamster | Coke: It's enabled in Sarge but not in SID? |
| 12:23.40 | Linoleum | Coke : but DerJamster said that his system detected his 1,5 GO |
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| 12:23.52 | hehaho | ohh |
| 12:23.54 | hehaho | okay |
| 12:23.56 | PerfDave | Mage_: Very, very rarely. |
| 12:23.57 | FabParma | how to download system manuals ? |
| 12:23.59 | hehaho | so what do i do now? |
| 12:24.00 | Mage_ | I had to add a modline directive |
| 12:24.04 | Mage_ | modeline |
| 12:24.10 | Coke | Linoleum: so use the same kernel as DerJamster |
| 12:24.10 | PerfDave | Mage_: That's nice for you. |
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| 12:24.19 | Linoleum | DerJamster well I guess if you are using sarge , latest kernel and it detect your 1,5 , It will work under SID too |
| 12:24.20 | PerfDave | FabParma: Search them with apt-cache, install them with apt-get. |
| 12:24.52 | DerJamster | Linoleum: Have you checked how much it detects? |
| 12:24.58 | Linoleum | not yet |
| 12:25.11 | hehaho | btw...does ur debian OS looks like a green screen and a black mouse pointer |
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| 12:25.21 | Linoleum | I haven't installed the system yet |
| 12:25.35 | Linoleum | I ask to know if I will need to run a custom kernel |
| 12:25.37 | PerfDave | hehaho: If you state your question in a single coherent line rather than scattered over the course of many lines in the middle of other conversations, then people will find it easier to help you. |
| 12:25.41 | Coke | hehaho: ofcourse not! stop being such a moron. |
| 12:25.43 | burd | how can I find out what com port and address a serial device is using? |
| 12:25.45 | toresbe | hehaho: "You may be using a VT220" :P |
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| 12:25.55 | hehaho | huh? |
| 12:25.59 | DerJamster | Linoleum: I don't think so :) Methinks it's only disabled per default in Woody. |
| 12:26.00 | hehaho | wats a vt220? |
| 12:26.10 | PerfDave | hehaho: Ignore toresbe, he's poking fun at you. |
| 12:26.11 | toresbe | hehaho: It's an ooooooold computer terminal |
| 12:26.21 | Coke | Linoleum & DerJamster: I run sarge on this machine and 2.6.9 is the latest here. |
| 12:26.27 | hehaho | -_- |
| 12:26.41 | toresbe | hehaho: it was monochrome, but you could order the colour to be green or amber :P |
| 12:26.42 | burd | how can I find out what com port and address a serial port is using.. sorry wrong terminlology there |
| 12:26.42 | hehaho | my com i install on is a p3 950 mhz type |
| 12:26.53 | DerJamster | Coke: And himem was off? |
| 12:26.59 | hehaho | so how does ur OS look like? |
| 12:27.01 | Linoleum | DerJamster ha yes you may be right so on SID it will be activated too |
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| 12:27.07 | PerfDave | !SID |
| 12:27.08 | Coke | DerJamster: Linoleum claims he uses 3.6.10, I guess that means 2.6.10 which is not in sarge. |
| 12:27.08 | dpkg | well, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 12:27.17 | DerJamster | Coke: Yeah..he's running SID |
| 12:27.20 | Linoleum | Coke yes it's 3.6.10 sorry |
| 12:27.24 | DerJamster | Coke: He stated that before :) |
| 12:27.28 | Linoleum | oups 2.6.10 lol |
| 12:27.30 | Coke | Linoleum: _2_.6.10 |
| 12:27.39 | Linoleum | yes yes :) |
| 12:27.58 | Coke | Linoleum: the kernels high mem support can have been added/removed from one day to another. SID is unstable! |
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| 12:28.29 | Linoleum | well, it's the 2.10.6 but if DerJamster says taht it's activited on the 2.6.9 under testing it will be too in SID |
| 12:28.47 | Coke | Linoleum: no. |
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| 12:28.51 | Coke | Linoleum: ANYTHING can happen in SID. |
| 12:28.57 | Linoleum | :) |
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| 12:29.10 | Coke | Linoleum: which is why nobody in #debian recommends anyone to use SID except for helping out with the development of Debian |
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| 12:29.27 | Coke | Linoleum: build your own kernel |
| 12:29.37 | Linoleum | well, is there a solution to know if at the moment, the Himem for 1.5 GO of ram is activated in the latest kerenl under SID ?? |
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| 12:29.49 | FieldySnuts | what Coke said |
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| 12:29.52 | Coke | Linoleum: and let me tell you, there has been far worse bugs in Sid than high mem support being on/off in the kernel. |
| 12:29.56 | DerJamster | Linoleum: Build your own kernel like Coke said. |
| 12:30.08 | Coke | Linoleum: build build build build |
| 12:30.09 | DerJamster | Linoleum: And tell us why you are running SID ;) |
| 12:31.13 | Linoleum | hu? |
| 12:31.13 | Linoleum | becasue SID is better thatn testing |
| 12:31.13 | PerfDave | Linoleum: "better" how? |
| 12:31.14 | FieldySnuts | @start a distro war |
| 12:31.14 | ravenbird | Progeny rocks! |
| 12:31.14 | petemc | more recent packages |
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| 12:31.14 | Coke | that's not "better" in all cases |
| 12:31.15 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 12:31.15 | dpkg | kawfees are worse than kawfees |
| 12:31.15 | Linoleum | and I read some document with debian developer that say that testing is not a distro to run everyday |
| 12:31.15 | sussudio | dpkg: i agree |
| 12:31.15 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, sussudio |
| 12:31.15 | DerJamster | *laughs* |
| 12:31.15 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 12:31.18 | Linoleum | it's trus seriously |
| 12:31.21 | PerfDave | Linoleum: For a start, "SID" doesn't exist. It's "Sid" or "sid". The packages are not significantly newer than Sarge, and it's significantly more likely that your entire system will fuck itself horribly and you'll need to be a Debian guru to fix it. |
| 12:31.26 | Coke | Linoleum: I have run it every day for 4+ months now on several desktops and servers. |
| 12:31.52 | DerJamster | Linoleum: Testing is more stable than Sid, and Woody is more stable (actually labeled 'stable') Than Sarge. |
| 12:32.01 | Coke | Linoleum: 1) don't use development versions of Debian and 2) build your own kernel |
| 12:32.09 | Linoleum | well I am not a debian developper, but I guess there are not studid ?? why would they say taht if it's not true?? |
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| 12:32.16 | PerfDave | Linoleum: I'd love to see this "document" you refer to. Testing is pretty fine for day-to-day use if you don't care about security fixes and don't mind occasional, mostly minor breakages. Sid has no security fixes and major breakages. |
| 12:32.17 | coachz | Hi |
| 12:32.22 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: annoy Linoleum |
| 12:32.25 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 12:32.28 | PerfDave | Linoleum: Maybe testing is not a branch to run every day, but sid is even less so. |
| 12:32.36 | Coke | haha! :) |
| 12:32.46 | coachz | Is it hard to make a debian package (.deb) file, specifically for the new postgres 8 when it comes out next week. |
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| 12:33.15 | PerfDave | coachz: No, it isn't. /msg dpkg dnm |
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| 12:33.21 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 12:33.21 | Coke | coachz: it's not hard to make debian packages, how much work you need to do is entirely based on what you are packaging. |
| 12:33.25 | coachz | thanks |
| 12:33.25 | PerfDave | coachz: Or just compile it into /usr/local - /msg dpkg usrlocal |
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| 12:33.40 | Linoleum | well in SID , packeged are updated very often so it's patch quickly , not in testing .. well I am stopping here, we use what every want and we are all happy ^^ ;p |
| 12:33.45 | PerfDave | coachz: Do Postgres not provide Debian packages themselves? I thought they used to. |
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| 12:34.04 | coachz | PerfDave, they will but it could take a few more weeks |
| 12:34.07 | jenipapo | Suppose we open a socket, we try connect, it fails. Have I to close this socket? |
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| 12:34.16 | Coke | Linoleum: patches regarding security and bugs are applied to Sarge as well. |
| 12:34.22 | coachz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:34.33 | PerfDave | Linoleum: It's not SID, it's Sid or sid. Saying "SID" just makes you look clueless. And if you're clueless, or not a Debian guru, then Sid is going to fuck you hard when it breaks, and you won't get much help here because sid is intended for people who know what they're doing. |
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| 12:34.39 | Coke | Linoleum: however, Sid takes on new functionality every week and most of that is so new that bugs and security holes haven't been found yet. |
| 12:34.41 | FlopsyPete | whenever I install Sarge, when loading GNOME, I get "Error activating XKB configuration. Probably internal X server problem." and on some systems the GNOME login splash image doesn't go away. I choose 'Generic 105 key (intl)' for keyboard. anyone know why this happens? |
| 12:34.43 | PerfDave | Linoleum: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:34.47 | Linoleum | well, is there a solution to know if at the moment the Himem for 1.5 GO of ram is activated in the latest kerenl under SID ?? |
| 12:34.54 | hehaho | erm... |
| 12:35.03 | Coke | Linoleum: BUILD YOUR OWN KERNEL!!!! |
| 12:35.04 | DerJamster | Linoleum: Build. Your. Own. Kernel. |
| 12:35.08 | Linoleum | LOL |
| 12:35.12 | hehaho | so anyone have anyidea on how can i solve my weird graphical display problem |
| 12:35.15 | elnovato | Linoleum: Himem.sys ? |
| 12:35.18 | Linoleum | but I prefer to have a stock kernel :) |
| 12:35.24 | DerJamster | Linoleum: Then deal with it., |
| 12:35.25 | Coke | hehaho: yes, you learn something by reading the manuals. |
| 12:35.35 | hehaho | i have read the whole manual? |
| 12:35.37 | PerfDave | hehaho: If you state your problem in a clear and coherent manner on one line, then people will be inclined to help you. |
| 12:35.46 | Coke | Linoleum: would you prefer the Sid 2.6.10 stock kernel if it didn't boot? |
| 12:35.47 | hehaho | okay |
| 12:35.47 | FieldySnuts | okay you guys told him what to do but he doesn't want to take it, move on. |
| 12:35.50 | hehaho | ill repeat |
| 12:35.58 | Coke | hehaho: don't |
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| 12:36.29 | Linoleum | Coke well I got the other kernel too, I have also custom kernel too , but I would like stock kernel because it's easier to update |
| 12:36.57 | Coke | Linoleum: things break often in Sid. learn how to work around it, and possibl help fix it, or don't use Sid. |
| 12:37.02 | Linoleum | if the lated stock kernel doesnt boot, I boot under the one I use before :) |
| 12:37.18 | Linoleum | Coke, I use sid for 1 year now |
| 12:37.18 | Coke | Linoleum: I'm a pretty seasoned Debian user and I switched from Sid to Sarge because I was spending more time testing software than using it. |
| 12:37.31 | Coke | Linoleum: good, then you know exactly what to do know, don't you? |
| 12:37.42 | DerJamster | Kinda ironic when considering Sarge's development label ;P |
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| 12:38.09 | Coke | What's the dpkg dist description list? |
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| 12:38.21 | Coke | woody = stable, sarge = testing, sid = UNSTABLE |
| 12:38.24 | hehaho | i have this problem after installing debian. i have used apt-get to install x-windows and gnome. i managed to get to the login screen where a debain logo can ba seen and where it asks for my username and password. when i enter my username and password, i can login. but after the login process is over, i end up in a screen where there is only a green background and a black mouse pointer. i have been to hexus.net and i followed their instruc |
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| 12:39.11 | hehaho | * but somehow i just cant get the results of what hexus.net got |
| 12:39.14 | DerJamster | ...tions... |
| 12:39.14 | Linoleum | Coke well coke I used testing for 6 month before , and I had some dependencies problems so it was boring and sometime it was not fixed for days, under sid, there is not this problem |
| 12:39.24 | Coke | hehaho: nobody cares or knows about hexus. the package name is "x-window-system", please be correct! |
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| 12:39.39 | hehaho | coke: sorry for that error |
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| 12:39.52 | elnovato | !punish hehaho |
| 12:39.59 | Coke | hehaho: you need a window manager too. |
| 12:40.07 | hehaho | where do i get that? |
| 12:40.11 | Coke | hehaho: Debian |
| 12:40.16 | Linoleum | hehaho apt-get install fluxbox |
| 12:40.31 | hehaho | ill go try that linoleum |
| 12:40.32 | Coke | hehaho: you do know that you use apt-cache to search and apt-get to install? |
| 12:40.38 | FlopsyPete | does 'gnome' not include a window manager? |
| 12:40.51 | Coke | FlopsyPete: it suggests |
| 12:40.58 | Coke | FlopsyPete: I don't see any wm in the depends list though |
| 12:41.33 | fatal__ | doesn't gnome depend on metacity? |
| 12:41.39 | Linoleum | hey, what is the channel for the debian installer? |
| 12:41.41 | Coke | hehaho: and don't come here without using google and reading some documentation first. I bet there's a Debian gnome isntallation guide somewhere. |
| 12:41.55 | Coke | fatal__: nope. |
| 12:41.58 | Coke | fatal__: not in sarge. |
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| 12:42.19 | hehaho | coke: i have already install gnome |
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| 12:42.28 | Coke | hehaho: just find the documentation and read it |
| 12:42.31 | FlopsyPete | Coke: dunno, I get one and I don't install much more than 'gnome' |
| 12:43.51 | Coke | FlopsyPete: I don't see any depends and I don't see why you shouldn't be able to install and use gnome without a window manager. |
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| 12:44.33 | hehaho | what do i do after i installed fluxbox? |
| 12:44.42 | coachz | Is there a URL for the Debian Packaging Manual? I don't see any link here: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals.en-gb.html#packman |
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| 12:45.09 | ago73 | Hi |
| 12:45.31 | FlopsyPete | Coke: I'm not saying you can't. perhaps it looks the same with or without Metacity then and I'm confused |
| 12:45.35 | Linoleum | hehaho , you log with your user then startx |
| 12:45.41 | ago73 | my /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh does not have x permissions, is this normal? |
| 12:45.46 | Silensius | is there a just mail server based debian distro ? |
| 12:45.47 | DebUser_ | If no one could physically access my keyboard would it be unsafe to leave a terminal on, always logged in as root? |
| 12:46.00 | Linoleum | Silensius exim 4 |
| 12:46.21 | Silensius | exim 4 is a packages i will a distro |
| 12:46.34 | hehaho | Linoleum: how do i do that? |
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| 12:47.06 | FlopsyPete | why does tasksel explicitly install both 'gnome' and 'gnome-desktop-environment' when 'gnome-desktop-environment' is a dependancy of 'gnome'? |
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| 12:47.18 | Rot2- | hello |
| 12:47.23 | Rot2- | can some one help |
| 12:47.26 | Coke | FlopsyPete: because tasksel installs groups of packages. |
| 12:47.41 | Coke | FlopsyPete: perhaps it includes recommended and/or suggested? |
| 12:47.55 | Coke | !tell Rot2- about ask |
| 12:47.58 | FlopsyPete | Coke: I meant when choosing 'desktop env' |
| 12:48.05 | Coke | FlopsyPete: exactly. |
| 12:48.07 | elnovato | Rot2-: maybe |
| 12:48.15 | FlopsyPete | Coke: so there might be some recommended/suggested in one and not the other? |
| 12:48.21 | Coke | FlopsyPete: tasksel installs TONS of stuff you don't really need or want. |
| 12:48.28 | Coke | FlopsyPete: which is why I never use it. |
| 12:48.42 | Rot2- | what is flex package |
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| 12:48.50 | FlopsyPete | Coke: nor me now, as I asked it what it would install and just copied manually what I wanted |
| 12:49.03 | fatal__ | Rot2-: fast lexical analyzer.... gnu replacement for lex. |
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| 12:49.19 | FlopsyPete | Coke: but am wondering if I need to be explicitly installing both of those as tasksel does |
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| 12:49.23 | Rot2- | im compile wine and i dont have that |
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| 12:49.34 | directhex|work | !wayc Rot2- |
| 12:49.35 | dpkg | Rot2-: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 12:49.49 | Coke | Rot2-: so install it |
| 12:49.52 | Rot2- | i dont have apt-get |
| 12:50.00 | SlayerXP | Rot2-: yes, you do |
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| 12:50.03 | directhex|work | then you're not on debian. |
| 12:50.12 | Rot2- | im using xandros |
| 12:50.12 | SlayerXP | either that or you're a moron |
| 12:50.23 | Coke | Rot2-: why are you in #debian then? |
| 12:50.23 | SlayerXP | Rot2-: /part #debian; /join #xandros |
| 12:50.31 | directhex|work | Rot2-, phone xandros support, that's what you pay for |
| 12:50.43 | Coke | directhex|work: somebody PAYS to use GNU systems? |
| 12:50.47 | DerJamster | Rot2-: Xandros has apt-get |
| 12:50.49 | Coke | other than donations, that is. |
| 12:50.57 | DerJamster | It is compatible with Debian packages. |
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| 12:51.09 | directhex|work | Coke, ever heard of "red hat"? |
| 12:51.11 | Coke | Rot2-: all these questions are irrelevant to use because we talk about Debian here. |
| 12:51.13 | Rot2- | what is in shell the command |
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| 12:51.18 | DerJamster | Rot2-: Change channels. |
| 12:51.20 | Rot2- | for apt-get |
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| 12:51.28 | Coke | directhex|work: yes, but I didn't think anybody would pay for it. |
| 12:51.32 | SlayerXP | Rot2-: go away |
| 12:51.44 | Koffa | how can I see the amount of files (number and megabytes) installed on the system? |
| 12:51.51 | snail | df |
| 12:51.53 | Coke | Koffa: du is pretty nifty |
| 12:51.56 | Koffa | system |
| 12:51.59 | Koffa | not all files |
| 12:51.59 | Rot2- | i see i need chang my linix for debian |
| 12:52.12 | Linoleum | what is the channel about debian install??? |
| 12:52.12 | snail | df shows filesystems |
| 12:52.16 | Rot2- | thx i can get from the net :) |
| 12:52.19 | Coke | Koffa: df will show all mounted devices, their capacity and usage. du will summarize disk usage. |
| 12:52.20 | directhex|work | Linoleum, #debian-boot |
| 12:52.22 | Koffa | snail: the installed debian system |
| 12:52.24 | directhex|work | !tell Rot2- about d-i |
| 12:52.28 | Koffa | I know du and df, those don't help |
| 12:52.36 | Linoleum | tkx directhex|work |
| 12:52.41 | snail | "du -s /*" shows how bif the top level directories are |
| 12:52.43 | Coke | Koffa: why not? |
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| 12:53.18 | Koffa | because I need to know the size of the running _operating_system_, not all crap on the disks (user data, non-package installations etc) |
| 12:53.29 | directhex|work | dpkg, debian solutions are the answers to debian problems. we don't care if debian solutions don't apply to non-debian distrobutions (hardware issues with knoppix, packaging issues with linspire, whatever) |
| 12:53.29 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
| 12:53.39 | snail | "find / | wc" is want you want ... |
| 12:53.46 | Koffa | no, it's not |
| 12:53.58 | Koffa | that would also count everything in /home etc |
| 12:54.02 | directhex|work | there's a script to return the size of all installed packages |
| 12:54.08 | directhex|work | i forgot where to get it though. try google |
| 12:54.14 | snail | Koffa: could you state, what, exactly you are trying to achieve? |
| 12:54.22 | Coke | Koffa: du -sch /bin /usr |
| 12:54.31 | Koffa | directhex|work: well I can do such a script myself if needed, just wondering if it was some switch to apt/dpkg |
| 12:54.32 | Coke | Koffa: du -sch /bin /usr /sbin /etc if you are picky |
| 12:54.49 | directhex|work | Koffa, not that i'm aware |
| 12:55.01 | Koffa | have to do it manually then |
| 12:55.16 | Coke | Koffa: the solution I gave you will only show you the total amount of size used by system stuff that are part of the distribution. |
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| 12:55.46 | hipp | having trouble installing DVD version of Woody 3 |
| 12:55.46 | hipp | GRUB rror 3 |
| 12:55.46 | Rot2- | a good mirror for get debian |
| 12:55.48 | snail | Koffa: debian != operating system, so don't forget to exclude all the user level programs |
| 12:56.07 | Coke | snail: why isn't Debian an operating system? |
| 12:56.11 | directhex|work | !tell Rot2- about d-i |
| 12:56.11 | Koffa | Coke: /usr includes /usr/local/ and stuff |
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| 12:56.21 | snail | Coke: debian is more than an operating system |
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| 12:56.27 | Coke | Koffa: you can exclude files with du |
| 12:56.29 | Coke | Koffa: man du |
| 12:56.32 | Koffa | blah |
| 12:56.32 | snail | latex is hardly part of the oerating system |
| 12:56.36 | Coke | Koffa: switch -X /usr/local will do it |
| 12:56.39 | Koffa | easier to check the Installed-Size's of packages |
| 12:56.51 | Koffa | I just wanted to take the easy way :) |
| 12:56.54 | coachz | how long does it typically take to make a .deb package for something like postgres? |
| 12:56.55 | Coke | Koffa: no it's not. |
| 12:57.08 | directhex|work | gnu/linux is an operating system. debian gnu/linux is an operating system distribution. see windows nt 5.1 os -> xp home/pro/media center distributions |
| 12:57.12 | Coke | Koffa: du -sch /usr /bin /sbin /etc/ -X /usr/local |
| 12:57.12 | ago73 | what permissions do you have for /etc/init.d/bootclean.sh? Mine are 644. I would have expected 755. Using unstable. |
| 12:57.20 | snail | Koffa: that doesn't count the size of locally built kernel(s) |
| 12:57.26 | Coke | Koffa: that's the command you want, how hard was it? |
| 12:57.31 | directhex|work | coachz, depends how easily debianized the source is |
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| 12:57.48 | coachz | what would you expect for postgres? |
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| 12:58.00 | directhex|work | coachz, no idea, though i expect there;s a lot of post-install crap for that |
| 12:58.06 | Coke | coachz: that depends on the hardware |
| 12:58.08 | directhex|work | coachz, what's wrong with the debina packages? |
| 12:58.21 | coachz | i want to make one as soon as 8 comes out next week |
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| 12:58.45 | coachz | so i figure if it's easy i'll try |
| 12:59.07 | directhex|work | coachz, get some source from the postres site. if there's a debian folder in their source, it'd pretty trivial |
| 12:59.19 | coachz | thanks |
| 12:59.32 | Coke | directhex|work: debian does more than distribute the software. |
| 12:59.54 | Coke | directhex|work: I consider Debian an operating system since every part of the Debian project helps me to operate my system. |
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| 13:00.41 | chris | how come when i install xine and try to play xvid, i get green screen corruption? |
| 13:01.22 | directhex|work | chris, ffmpeg bug |
| 13:01.25 | Coke | directhex|work & snail: allright, perhaps "Debian" is more than an OS, it's a project. |
| 13:01.30 | chris | directhex|work: what can i do |
| 13:01.35 | chris | ive tried all kinds of stuff |
| 13:01.37 | chris | cant figure it out |
| 13:01.37 | directhex|work | chris, use mplayer |
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| 13:01.44 | chris | directhex|work: mplayer does the same thing |
| 13:02.00 | Koffa | hmm... even added --apparent-size to du but it still differs 200M from the package list |
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| 13:02.44 | PerfDave | Debian is essentially a set of userland tools and a bunch of package repositories, containing packages packaged in accordance with the Debian Policy which descends from the Debian Social Contract. It's kernel-independent and probably OS-independent depending on your definition of OS :) |
| 13:02.46 | tr_ | k supposedly one deleted the x-windows conf file, what would one do to make a good one *with a working mouse* ? :P |
| 13:03.48 | PerfDave | tr_: apt-get --reinstall install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 13:04.22 | chris | directhex|work: what if mplayer does it too? is there a way to fix the bug in ffmpeg? |
| 13:04.33 | tr_ | perfdave, at the same time, is it possible to go for kde rather than gnome that it seemed to use b4 |
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| 13:05.17 | elnovato | #ffmpeg |
| 13:05.21 | directhex|work | chris, i'm not sure. i've had the same happen to me over the years on windows with iffy mpeg4 codec releases |
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| 13:05.55 | Coke | Uhm, there is dopewars in Debian, but no accompaning server? |
| 13:06.03 | chris | maybe i could copy the win32 codec and use that ? |
| 13:06.06 | chris | with mplayer? |
| 13:06.20 | elnovato | chris: use wmp |
| 13:06.23 | chris | haha |
| 13:06.36 | chris | ;) |
| 13:06.45 | directhex|work | chris, if you find the command line to force it to use the codec of your chboice rather than the default, then probably |
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| 13:07.49 | Koffa | either Installed-Size is too optimistic or there's something hidden in those directories :) |
| 13:08.13 | Koffa | wonder where vmware puts it's crap |
| 13:08.17 | PerfDave | tr_: Whether you use KDE or Gnome is independent of your X server config, you want to fix your X server config fist. |
| 13:08.19 | Koffa | might be _anything_ |
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| 13:12.16 | tr_ | perfdave, okey thank you. Btw, i have a wlan card (buffalo wli-cb-g54s, would i get this one working as well later on? ;) |
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| 13:13.42 | citral | tr_: google, tuxmobile.org, etc. |
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| 13:14.38 | PerfDave | tr_: No idea. Probably. You may have to use the hated ndiswrapper though. |
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| 13:14.57 | tr_ | hehe okie |
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| 13:15.05 | tr_ | citral, thanks will do that |
| 13:15.38 | tr_ | one more question, when i edit /etc/network/interfaces, is it necassary to stop networking and restart it in order to get the changes into effect? |
| 13:15.45 | greycat | tr_: yes |
| 13:15.56 | PerfDave | tr_: Or ifdown and ifup the interface in question |
| 13:15.57 | tr_ | ./etc/init.d/networking stop / start? |
| 13:16.04 | greycat | depends on what you changed |
| 13:16.04 | tr_ | okie |
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| 13:16.18 | tr_ | changing static ip to dhcp or static with router |
| 13:16.23 | tr_ | and the other settings, ofcuorse |
| 13:16.34 | greycat | in that case, ifdown and ifup is the minimum-damage solution |
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| 13:17.06 | tr_ | hehe minimum damage, sounds nice :P |
| 13:17.06 | dancek | Anyone know how is it possible to ring the system bell from command line in an X terminal? echo -e '\a' doesn't work... |
| 13:17.06 | HolyGoat | wow. wget's -A parameter is case sensitive. |
| 13:17.06 | HolyGoat | that makes no sense at all |
| 13:17.09 | greycat | dancek: echo -e '\007' should work in bash |
| 13:17.09 | tr_ | okuie changing to router -> |
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| 13:17.33 | greycat | HolyGoat: why doesn't it? file names are *always* case sensitive. |
| 13:17.51 | greycat | (unless you're in a Microsoft OS or CP/M) |
| 13:18.03 | PerfDave | HolyGoat: URLs are case sensitive |
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| 13:18.13 | dancek | greycat: it doesn't work |
| 13:18.24 | Koffa | there are too few alphabets to make case-insensitive switches :) |
| 13:18.28 | greycat | dancek: then your bell is disabled |
| 13:18.43 | Spatial | hi |
| 13:18.49 | HolyGoat | greycat: yeah but -A accepts a list of extensions you want to accept.. why would it matter if an extension is upper or lowercase or both? |
| 13:18.49 | dancek | greycat: it works from a tty |
| 13:18.49 | greycat | dancek: try "xset b on" or something. |
| 13:19.02 | dancek | greycat: thanks, i'll try that |
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| 13:19.10 | greycat | HolyGoat: because it's part of a filename, and filenames are case sensitive on Unix. |
| 13:19.23 | PerfDave | HolyGoat: Because it makes a difference at the web server end. |
| 13:19.34 | HolyGoat | greycat: that's damn annoying in this case, I have to type in _all_ alternatives case wise. |
| 13:19.40 | directhex|work | NTFS can be switched into case sensitive mode, if you want it |
| 13:19.41 | citral | HolyGoat: that could be practic, let's say you want all .HTML but not .html |
| 13:19.46 | greycat | is it glob patterns? simple strings matched by strstr()? regexes? What? |
| 13:19.55 | HolyGoat | citral: how often do you want to do that? |
| 13:20.02 | PerfDave | greycat: Why don't you file a bug against the manpage? ;p |
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| 13:20.25 | citral | HolyGoat: one time is enough |
| 13:21.02 | greycat | HolyGoat: find out what "patterns" means, then take advantage of it. |
| 13:21.06 | HolyGoat | citral: DOC,doc,Doc,dOc,doC,DOc... etc. |
| 13:21.13 | greycat | E.g. if it means 'glob patterns", then use *.[Dd][Oo][Cc] |
| 13:21.16 | citral | HolyGoat: oh, that sucks |
| 13:21.19 | greycat | s/'/"/ |
| 13:21.28 | HolyGoat | you can use glob patterns in the -A value? |
| 13:21.39 | greycat | WE DON'T KNOW!!!! THEY DIDN'T BOTHER TO TELL US! |
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| 13:21.45 | HolyGoat | greycat: exactly |
| 13:21.54 | greycat | so use trial and error or the source code |
| 13:22.12 | greycat | Then join me in my hatred of inferior GNU man pages. |
| 13:22.13 | jelly | HolyGoat: you can always hack the source, might be a simple fix |
| 13:22.18 | jethro | use the source luke |
| 13:22.20 | HolyGoat | greycat: heh |
| 13:22.26 | mikeOman | hello all i have a problem with logrotate, since one week my cron.daily send me a mail & it seems to have a problem with the rotation of mysql & snort logs the message from cron.daily is the followed /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: |
| 13:22.26 | mikeOman | error: error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/mysql.log /var/log/mysql/mysql.log /var/log/mysql.err /var/log/mysql/mysql.err /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log |
| 13:22.26 | mikeOman | error: error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/snort/portscan.log /var/log/snort/alert /var/log/snort/portscan2.log |
| 13:22.26 | mikeOman | run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 |
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| 13:22.29 | citral | jethro: heh |
| 13:22.30 | HolyGoat | jelly: yeah, just might |
| 13:22.59 | jelly | anyway wget's doc are in info, aren't they? |
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| 13:23.11 | jelly | s/are/is/ |
| 13:23.14 | mikeOman | sorry for the flood |
| 13:23.14 | greycat | jelly: I wouldn't know or care. The man page should be the definitive manual. |
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| 13:23.32 | greycat | Hint: "man" stands for "manual", folks. |
| 13:23.35 | DebUser_ | jelly, there's some great guides on wget on the Internet. Just Google |
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| 13:23.48 | jelly | greycat: no it shouldnt. upstream specifically did NOT include a man page. |
| 13:24.03 | jethro | aint info yet another GNU stuff? |
| 13:24.20 | directhex|work | !linux man pages |
| 13:24.20 | dpkg | linux man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
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| 13:24.50 | greycat | jelly: um. the woody wget(1) man page does not say it was written by Debian. In fact, it says "Copyright (c) 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc. (though that's not clear whether it refers to the man page itself or the software...), and "Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documenta tion License, Version 1.1 or any later ... |
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| 13:25.42 | jelly | greycat: strange. Maybe things have changed in the meantime. I remember the author's rant about the man page some time ago, might be a few years |
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| 13:26.00 | greycat | "4. If Wget has crashed, try to run it in a debugger, e.g. "gdb `which wget` core" and type "where" to get the backtrace." <--- LAME! You put generic boilerplate "how to file a bug report" stuff in a man page but you don't tell us what "patterns" means?? |
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| 13:26.41 | jethro | http://tataz.chchile.org/~tataz/fuck_phishers.pl <- for those who want to join me answering back to phishers |
| 13:26.50 | HolyGoat | ahh.. http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/html_node/Types-of-Files.html |
| 13:26.50 | Skiver | hi my smb server can't be started, log says Unable to open printcap file /etc/printcap for read! |
| 13:27.00 | Skiver | how is that can be solved ? |
| 13:27.25 | jelly | greycat: I just checked, no man page in source. |
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| 13:27.27 | greycat | HolyGoat: so it's globs. They could add ONE WORD to the fucking man page and fix it. But no. |
| 13:27.44 | directhex|work | !tell greycat about linux man pages |
| 13:27.47 | HolyGoat | heh |
| 13:27.54 | jethro | greycat: GNU people like to reinvent the wheel but aren't much into manpages and documentation |
| 13:28.11 | greycat | jelly: then who wrote the one I can see in Debian? |
| 13:28.53 | jelly | greycat: I believe the one before woody was written by the Debian maintainer, I dunno what's the current status. |
| 13:29.04 | HolyGoat | but I wonder how I can make a glob case insensitive? |
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| 13:29.15 | srid | what is the mascot of gnu called? |
| 13:29.16 | greycat | HolyGoat: I already told you. |
| 13:29.22 | greycat | srid: a gnu |
| 13:29.29 | citral | Originally written by Hrvoje Niksic, a xemacs guy |
| 13:29.38 | HolyGoat | ah, will scroll back, thanks |
| 13:29.40 | srid | greycat, what is the animal? |
| 13:29.52 | greycat | srid: it's a quadruped mammal. |
| 13:29.54 | dancek | hmmm... the bell still doesn't work after trying to set it on and to a lot of different values with xset... any ideas? |
| 13:30.03 | greycat | srid: look it up in the dictionary, encyclopedia, etc. |
| 13:30.11 | citral | srid: look for the emacs logo |
| 13:30.14 | elnovato | where is the bar? |
| 13:30.19 | citral | at foo |
| 13:30.19 | directhex|work | srid, the animal is a gnu |
| 13:30.21 | greycat | next to the foo |
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| 13:30.26 | HolyGoat | greycat: got it, thanks again greycat |
| 13:30.42 | jelly | greycat: sorry, I'm wrong, seems there is a man page now. It's generated by texi2pod -> pod2man -> man page. |
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| 13:31.06 | jethro | srid: http://images.google.com/images?q=gnu&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search |
| 13:31.21 | srid | thnx |
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| 13:31.37 | cahoot | dancek: 2.6 kernel and no pcspkr enabled? |
| 13:31.54 | directhex|work | things are much more peaceful without it |
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| 13:32.09 | dancek | cahoot: 2.6 kernel, yes, but at least the speaker works in a tty |
| 13:32.34 | cahoot | dancek: ah - please disregard |
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| 13:34.53 | Linoleum | ok guys, I post some questioon on some forum , and they told me taht 1,5 GO was detected automaticaly wiht the stock kernel under SID ^^ good new today :) |
| 13:35.00 | zakame | hi all! wazup |
| 13:35.27 | greycat | what is a 1,5 GO? |
| 13:35.43 | dancek | 1.5 GB, I think |
| 13:35.51 | Linoleum | 1,5 GB sorry of ram |
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| 13:36.47 | directhex|work | french convention is 'octet' as byte, and comma rather than period for decimal point. hence 1,5go |
| 13:37.20 | Linoleum | exactly directhex|work |
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| 13:38.16 | Skaag | is there a nicer X configurator than xf86config? |
| 13:38.26 | greycat | Skaag: /msg dpkg set up x /msg dpkg faq |
| 13:38.32 | scarynetworkguy | Skaag: vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:38.33 | mwilson | There needs to be one? |
| 13:38.37 | Skaag | thanks |
| 13:38.43 | tr_ | ifdown/up is cool to know thanks for that, however ive configured linux for a static ip but my router (zyxel prestige 334w) does not let me through even through :< |
| 13:38.47 | citral | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 13:39.23 | citral | tr_: you put your router as gateway? |
| 13:39.34 | tr_ | citral, yes |
| 13:39.40 | tr_ | oh |
| 13:39.41 | tr_ | crap |
| 13:39.42 | tr_ | wrong ip |
| 13:39.48 | CurryPork | my knoppix hdd install cannot display anything at all, must have removeed it wuth aptitude, can u help? |
| 13:39.53 | kg | HOw do I change the kernel HZ value? |
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| 13:39.58 | kg | without recompiling the kernel |
| 13:39.58 | greycat | CurryPork: no. |
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| 13:40.11 | greycat | kg: you don't |
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| 13:40.18 | kg | You dont what? |
| 13:40.23 | neenee | kg: you'd have to add a kernel patch, and you'd have to recompile then anyway |
| 13:40.26 | greycat | kg> HOw do I change the kernel HZ value? kg> without recompiling the kernel |
| 13:40.31 | tr_ | citral, lol im blind, thanks again works perfect |
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| 13:41.09 | directhex|work | CurryPork, ask #knoppix |
| 13:41.17 | directhex|work | CurryPork, or install debian |
| 13:41.39 | citral | Piggy: a friend for you |
| 13:42.18 | neenee | bbl. |
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| 13:42.37 | ledet | this channel should have a "read the topic or get banned for life" policy |
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| 13:42.45 | directhex|work | what's the right way to get environment variables et al properly exported when using a chroot? "dchroot foo" works on the command line, but DISPLAY isn't being set automagically in the chroot |
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| 13:43.45 | zirikili | how do I choose other mirrors for sources.list ? |
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| 13:43.55 | greycat | ledet: they just come back with a new nick and hostmask. It's truly, truly pathetic how much effort people go to, to avoid going to any effort. |
| 13:43.59 | ledet | zirikili: dpkg-reconfigure apt-setup |
| 13:44.02 | obsidian | just write em in |
| 13:44.04 | citral | zirikili: apt-setup |
| 13:44.14 | ledet | greycat: true... |
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| 13:44.36 | zirikili | thank you |
| 13:44.53 | ledet | greycat: what about a "read the topic or we will hunt you down and cut you up" policy then? :) |
| 13:44.54 | greycat | directhex|work: um. the chroot wouldn't have access to the unix domain socket in /tmp anyway. |
| 13:45.08 | sunyb | Hi, I am installing Debian with floppy disk, could you tell me when I should insert the driver disk? |
| 13:45.08 | greycat | ledet: manpower shortage. |
| 13:45.15 | ledet | greycat: darn |
| 13:45.29 | directhex|work | greycat, that depends whether you're well versed in mount -o bind |
| 13:45.34 | Delph | what you need to do is write some sort of irc bot that parses the first few statements made by anyone and then decides if they're idiots or not. |
| 13:45.35 | greycat | sunyb: when it asks for it |
| 13:45.38 | directhex|work | greycat, and it's dchroot -d foo, apparently |
| 13:45.51 | greycat | sunyb: note: if you have sufficiently common hardware, you may never need to use it at all |
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| 13:46.29 | ledet | hai! |
| 13:46.34 | citral | haye |
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| 13:46.49 | debian-san | Anyone knows how to make acpi applet work with IceWM? |
| 13:46.57 | sunyb | I am installing Debian on notebook computer, it is using a pcmcia compatible ethernet card! |
| 13:47.15 | ledet | sunyb: why not just use the sarge-installer? |
| 13:47.15 | greycat | I'm sorry. |
| 13:47.46 | greycat | (Companies who make laptops without built-in 100 Mbps or better NICs need to be shunned.) |
| 13:47.48 | sunyb | ledet, my cdrom is wrong and can't be used! |
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| 13:48.08 | greycat | The second-cheapest laptop you can get on walmart.com has a built-in GIGABIT NIC, for god's sake. |
| 13:48.23 | greycat | and a DVD-ROM. |
| 13:48.24 | ledet | sunyb: complain to your hardware manufacturer |
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| 13:48.40 | ledet | sunyb: your cdrom drive should not be wrong |
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| 13:49.03 | directhex|work | greycat, is that high-quality broadcom though? :) |
| 13:49.07 | mooded | maybe that notebook is a bit older ?? no reason for anger... ;p |
| 13:49.14 | sunyb | ledet, but now I have no choice. |
| 13:49.16 | greycat | directhex|work: it is indeed a broadcom. No, I have not attempted to Debianize it. |
| 13:49.29 | jethro | this channel should be for registered users only |
| 13:49.34 | ledet | sunyb: well, the floopies should work anyway |
| 13:49.37 | greycat | mooded: reason to throw it away, though... |
| 13:49.38 | takisd | any ideas on getting usb2 working - just went to 2.6.10 from unstable and usb still reports 1.1 speeds |
| 13:49.42 | mooded | greycat, ack |
| 13:49.58 | directhex|work | takisd, usb2 means having usb_ehci.ko loaded |
| 13:50.01 | jethro | takisd: you need ehci |
| 13:50.11 | takisd | i have ehci loaded |
| 13:50.16 | directhex|work | no wait, it's called ehci_hcd these days |
| 13:50.20 | sunyb | ledet, yes, floppy is ok, it should be ok |
| 13:50.23 | takisd | yep ehci_hcd |
| 13:50.23 | greycat | !kernel of gratuitous changes |
| 13:50.23 | dpkg | Linux 2.6; see <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 13:50.37 | greycat | "because ehci was too easy to remember!!" |
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| 13:50.46 | takisd | no doubt |
| 13:50.58 | karsten | greycat: Learn any new card tricks lately? |
| 13:51.11 | directhex|work | greycat, how is the flux of single digit 2.6 kernels different from single digit 2.4? |
| 13:51.13 | greycat | oh, you probably did, but it's a learning experience... |
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| 13:51.18 | zirikili | after install slapd package, what should be a nice interface to work on it? |
| 13:51.30 | greycat | directhex|work: I didn't use 2.4.x prior to 2.4.18 either. |
| 13:51.43 | directhex|work | greycat, and single digit 2.2? =] |
| 13:51.44 | takisd | just tried load/unload to make sure get this: Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M |
| 13:51.54 | takisd | it seems to be going to uhci - any way to force ehci |
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| 13:52.17 | directhex|work | takisd, hotplug/discover take care of it for me on both machines i have debian and ehci on |
| 13:52.30 | valdyn | takisd: you sure you have 2.0? thats different hardware |
| 13:52.32 | greycat | directhex|work: P.S., 2.6 is in double digits now |
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| 13:52.46 | directhex|work | greycat, yeah, gotta reboot into 2.6.10 now |
| 13:52.47 | takisd | valdyn: quite sure... its a 2.0 card |
| 13:53.08 | directhex|work | greycat, i found some wonderful bugs i'm debating marking with 'fucking stupid' priority |
| 13:53.19 | directhex|work | greycat, with udev, the king of kings |
| 13:53.42 | streuner | udev is a piece of shit |
| 13:53.53 | valdyn | takisd: so you you cant even plug a 1.1 device into your 2.0 adapter afaik, nor is that plug able to talk 1.1 |
| 13:53.54 | blackcell | Hi I am getting this odd error message any one had it before??; *** Could not run IMLIB test program, checking why... |
| 13:53.55 | blackcell | *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the |
| 13:53.55 | blackcell | *** exact error that occured. This usually means IMLIB was incorrectly installed*** or that you have moved IMLIB since it was installed. In the latter case, you*** may want to edit the imlib-config script: /usr/bin/imlib-config |
| 13:53.55 | blackcell | configure: error: Cannot find imlib: Is imlib-config in path |
| 13:53.55 | *** kick/#debian [blackcell!~debhelper@debhelper.user] by debhelper (flood: Consider using #flood) |
| 13:53.59 | directhex|work | no kidding, valdyn |
| 13:54.01 | streuner | causes only headaches |
| 13:54.02 | greycat | Today's Dilbert reminds me of Linux 2.6 a bit. |
| 13:54.03 | directhex|work | *streuner |
| 13:54.07 | citral | you'd think they'd learn |
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| 13:54.31 | zakame | hi! anyone experiencing ALSA 1.0.6 reverse stereo on via82xx? |
| 13:54.42 | jm_ | zakame: yes, you |
| 13:54.44 | citral | uh, no |
| 13:54.47 | streuner | directhex|work: if you want have trouble, you should suggest udev *and* devfs |
| 13:54.48 | greycat | zakame: sounds like an #alsa question |
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| 13:55.22 | directhex|work | streuner, i yhave enough udev issues atm |
| 13:55.32 | directhex|work | streuner, back in an hour or so, you'll LOVE the bug i found |
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| 13:55.36 | zakame | jm_: yes, me. :D |
| 13:55.38 | takisd | valdyn: i can plug a 2.0 device into 1.1 and vice-verca... all report 1.1 speeds - including 2.0 slots |
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| 13:55.53 | zakame | greycat: Oh, I thought it could be a general #debian question. I'll ask in there... |
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| 13:56.06 | greycat | zakame: you can ask here, and you did, but we're not experts with ALSA |
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| 13:56.57 | blackcell | Hi has any one had problems with IMLIB not being found? |
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| 13:57.17 | K1 | Hi, how do I enter a unicode character in GNOME? I want to enter U+02C9 MODIFIER LETTER MACRON. |
| 13:57.17 | greycat | blackcell: yes, you. |
| 13:57.29 | blackcell | LoL |
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| 13:57.43 | zakame | greycat: yes, thanks for the reminder |
| 13:57.53 | Skaag | strange, i configured X ok but it loads a black screen |
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| 13:58.02 | greycat | blackcell: let me put on my mind-reading hat. |
| 13:58.19 | greycat | blackcell: you're compiling something, and you ran ./configure, and it bitched about IMLIB, but you didn't think to run "apt-cache search imlib dev" |
| 13:58.20 | cahoot | takisd: nothing useful if you dmesg | grep ehci? |
| 13:58.24 | streuner | Skaag: sounds like you forgot to run a windowmanager *duck* :-) |
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| 13:58.28 | Skaag | cool, one of my old debian boxes is called 'blackcell' :-) |
| 13:58.40 | Skaag | streuner: I ran /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 13:58.49 | takisd | cahoot: nothing out on that at all |
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| 13:59.29 | streuner | Skaag: try to run it via 'startx', maybe you get a different result then. |
| 13:59.29 | blackcell | Ok trying to compile Cheop-NG, and it bitched about IMLIB ran apt-get search imlib dev install and now get an error saying that it is not in imlib-config |
| 13:59.47 | greycat | blackcell: which package did you actually install? |
| 14:00.00 | blackcell | hang on |
| 14:00.16 | Skiver | my smb complains that "bind failed on port 139 socket_addr = 0.0.0.0." , "address already in use" |
| 14:00.17 | valdyn | takisd: my usb 2.0 connectors are white, and dont look like i could plug a 1.1 device into. |
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| 14:00.31 | blackcell | imblib1 |
| 14:00.37 | Skiver | how can i check what is occupying this address ?! |
| 14:00.39 | greycat | valdyn: I'm pretty sure they're the same size & shape |
| 14:00.41 | swatikiss | i believe my laptop's efs3 hard drive has errors - is there a way i can check it ?? |
| 14:00.48 | greycat | blackcell: you didn't install the -dev? Well no wonder... |
| 14:00.53 | takisd | valdyn: i may have confused you, i have a 2.0 device and have pliugged it into 2.0 plugs and 1.1 plugs |
| 14:01.07 | takisd | all work at 12mps |
| 14:01.11 | blackcell | I will try again, sorry |
| 14:01.16 | valdyn | takisd: trying to figure out what im understanding wrong |
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| 14:01.39 | takisd | valdyn: no, i think you've got it... 2.0 device in 2.0 port running at 1.1 speeds |
| 14:02.26 | Techdeck | Hello, it seems stable's sources doesnt have 2.6 kernel images, as suspsected, whats the best way to get those images for woody? |
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| 14:02.36 | greycat | !woody 2.6 |
| 14:02.36 | dpkg | well, bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 14:02.42 | Techdeck | thanks greycat |
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| 14:03.38 | Techdeck | w00t! thanks a lot! |
| 14:03.39 | Doktoreas | hi |
| 14:03.43 | Ekaterin | Hi, I'm having problems installing the proftpd package because it can't create a directory /home/ftp (presumably because /home is an automount point). Any way to work around this? |
| 14:03.44 | Doktoreas | anyone run debian on xbox? |
| 14:03.44 | valdyn | takisd: yea, alright i tried, the only obvious difference between 2.0 and 1.1 connectors is the color ) |
| 14:04.03 | takisd | any way to force ehci on it |
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| 14:04.28 | Skaag | I have this identifier for my display adapter: 0000:00:02.0 - how do I write it in PCI:X:XX:X notation? |
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| 14:04.57 | Skaag | (which digits do I take, the first 3 or the last 3) |
| 14:05.02 | Ekaterin | BTW, whoever can reprogram the dpkg bot here should note that its info on proftpd still refers to slink! |
| 14:05.10 | valdyn | takisd: i dont know about such problems at w/ usb except if you disbaled something in your bios |
| 14:05.13 | greycat | !bus id |
| 14:05.13 | dpkg | If you're asking about Bus ID, chances are you need to get a kernel that has agpgart support for your video chipset. Usually this means 2.4.x, but 2.2.25 also has some. When dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 asks you for your Bus ID, if you use x86 (meaning a PC), just leave it blank. |
| 14:05.19 | Skaag | Ekaterin: I think you can re-teach it yourself |
| 14:05.36 | swatikiss | how can i check my efs3 / file system for erros ? ? |
| 14:05.39 | Skaag | greycat: thanks |
| 14:05.45 | greycat | what the hell is an efs3? |
| 14:05.53 | takisd | valdyn: point... will check bios... rebooting now... |
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| 14:06.14 | Ekaterin | Skaag: How? (Suppose I just want to change the slink references to woody.) |
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| 14:06.33 | Delph | swatikiss: if you mean ext3; fsck it; if you mean something else; time to read the documentation with your file system, cos it doesn't sound like any i know. |
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| 14:06.44 | Skaag | Ekaterin: with 'forget', then you say to it something like: proftpd is <blabla here> |
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| 14:07.22 | Skaag | should I ommit the dri module from xserver-xfree86 until I know for sure that I have a working X? |
| 14:07.37 | scarynetworkguy | Skaag: What do your logs tell you? |
| 14:07.45 | Skaag | checking |
| 14:07.54 | swatikiss | delph: oops, typo..i meant ext3 - how can i check it without mounting it then when i boot ? |
| 14:08.24 | scarynetworkguy | swatikiss: fsck it? |
| 14:08.29 | greycat | swatikiss: did you read the FAQ? |
| 14:08.42 | valdyn | swatikiss: man shutdown |
| 14:09.01 | swatikiss | k, thanks :P |
| 14:09.05 | greycat | valdyn: interesting.... I wonder what those flags do. |
| 14:09.21 | greycat | ah. it creates the file. |
| 14:09.26 | blackcell | Work thanks |
| 14:09.37 | Skaag | scarynetworkguy first of all I love your nick :-) |
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| 14:09.50 | Skaag | and second, my logs don't show any errors at all, it all looks perfect! |
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| 14:10.00 | Skaag | too perfect, in fact |
| 14:10.03 | Skaag | it scares me |
| 14:10.11 | Skaag | i'm sure you know what you mean |
| 14:10.15 | Skaag | what I mean, that is |
| 14:10.17 | Skaag | :-) |
| 14:10.20 | Delph | gah, i should kill myself for that horriffic punctuation up there. |
| 14:10.28 | Rot2- | i have donload and instaled the debian .. |
| 14:10.33 | Rot2- | :))) hehehe |
| 14:10.39 | greycat | good job. |
| 14:10.53 | Skaag | Delph: If you do it a few more times, you won't have to - we'll do it for you! |
| 14:11.05 | Skaag | :-) |
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| 14:11.40 | Skaag | Ramone Salazar?!?? :-) |
| 14:11.41 | Skaag | LOL!! |
| 14:11.42 | scarynetworkguy | Skaag: Ok. |
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| 14:12.04 | scarynetworkguy | Skaag: In that case no you don't have to worry about DRI if it was a problem you would be seeing errors. |
| 14:12.04 | Rot2- | to run x mode |
| 14:12.12 | Skiver | hi, may i know what does NETBIOS-SN service do ? |
| 14:12.19 | scarynetworkguy | Skaag: And use your enter key less. please. |
| 14:12.23 | Skiver | i have to disable it in order for SMB to start |
| 14:12.33 | Skaag | scarynetworkguy: strange - i just get a dark screen... |
| 14:12.44 | scarynetworkguy | Skaag: What driver? |
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| 14:12.50 | Skaag | i810 |
| 14:13.13 | Rot2- | startx |
| 14:13.14 | Rot2- | ? |
| 14:13.16 | fish_ | re |
| 14:13.25 | tamere | Hi there. I've deleted /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot since it seems this is outdated, and use /etc/network/interfaces instead to setup my ADSL connection. But now when the connection is lost it doesn't reconnect. I've activated the persistent option in /etc/ppp/options but with no luck. Any idea ? |
| 14:13.27 | Rot2- | it is |
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| 14:14.22 | greycat | persist should work. |
| 14:14.32 | tamere | that's what I thought too |
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| 14:14.44 | kg | does anyone here know anything about HLDS + Linux ! |
| 14:14.47 | Skaag | Ok I think I found the problem - mtrr gives me an error just after xfree tries to initialize the display adapter. |
| 14:15.13 | usernick | Can anyone tell my about enviroments? Expect of KDE, Gnome, Window Manager, fluxbox and xfce.. |
| 14:15.13 | Rot2- | can some one tellme how i run in x mode |
| 14:15.26 | usernick | Iam searching for a good environment. |
| 14:15.28 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 14:15.29 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 14:15.47 | greycat | usernick: everyone has their own opinion about it |
| 14:16.05 | warthawg | how do i change my screen resolution/refresh rate from the gnome desktop? |
| 14:16.16 | PerfDave | warthawg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:16.26 | warthawg | PerfDave: thanks |
| 14:16.33 | Skaag | Jan 13 21:52:03 localhost kernel: mtrr: base(0xf0020000) is not aligned on a size(0x300000) boundary |
| 14:16.39 | warthawg | do i need to stop X to run that? |
| 14:16.52 | PerfDave | warthawg: No, but you'll need to restart your X server for the settings to take effect. |
| 14:16.55 | scarynetworkguy | warthawg: No but you did to restart X to have it take effect. |
| 14:17.02 | neenee | back |
| 14:17.07 | scarynetworkguy | Jinx, basically. |
| 14:17.12 | warthawg | thanks, um, how do i restart X? |
| 14:17.16 | shadowcat | how do I make an account that denies local shell ogon? |
| 14:17.19 | greycat | get out, get back in. |
| 14:17.29 | valdyn | warthawg: gnome-dispaly-properties - but that might only work if your X driver supports randr |
| 14:17.30 | shadowcat | warthawg: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 14:17.35 | warthawg | ok, thanks all |
| 14:17.38 | greycat | shadowcat: change their shell to /bin/false in passwd(5) |
| 14:17.38 | Skaag | shadowcat: make its shell /bin/true and also make sure /bin/true appears in /etc/shells |
| 14:17.45 | Skaag | uh, yes, /bin/false |
| 14:17.47 | valdyn | warthawg: s/dispaly/display/ |
| 14:17.59 | greycat | putting it in /etc/shells may or may not be what you want. Depends on what you want them to *do*. |
| 14:18.06 | takisd | hey guys... this is embarrassing but i had to come back and tell you... my little usb prob... 1.1 speeds not 2.0... well 2.0 controller was disabled in the bios... yes i'm a twit... thanks to all for the help and valdyn... hell of a suggestion |
| 14:18.08 | shadowcat | it's an ftp account |
| 14:18.08 | greycat | /bin/true works fine, but it's traditional to use /bin/false ;-) |
| 14:18.16 | greycat | shadowcat: ok, then -- /etc/shells it is. |
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| 14:18.58 | Indal | or nologin |
| 14:18.59 | shadowcat | hmm? |
| 14:19.04 | shadowcat | nologin? |
| 14:19.14 | greycat | anything that's not a valid program will work fine too. |
| 14:19.26 | Indal | /sbin/nologin is quite common |
| 14:19.35 | shadowcat | I tried redirecting to /dev/null |
| 14:19.37 | shadowcat | not a good idea :/ |
| 14:19.40 | dskippy | I need to get modversions.h but I can't figure out which package it's in. I tried kernel-source and kernel-headers but they are not in there. |
| 14:19.42 | Rot2- | how a start x |
| 14:19.42 | nevyn | it may need to be in /etc/shells tho |
| 14:19.48 | Indal | shadowcat: /sbin/nologin ;-) |
| 14:19.52 | shadowcat | ah ok |
| 14:19.56 | shadowcat | I'll try nologin |
| 14:19.57 | shadowcat | thanks |
| 14:20.00 | greycat | shadowcat: the last field of /etc/passwd is a program, not a shell command. You can't put > in it. |
| 14:20.18 | dskippy | Installed both kernel-headers and kernel-source and neither has a /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h |
| 14:20.24 | dskippy | Does anyone know where it is? |
| 14:20.33 | greycat | !tell dskippy about modversions |
| 14:20.46 | greycat | hmm. that's not the factoid I wanted. |
| 14:20.51 | Coke | Is there some environment variable that can tell me what encoding my terminal is using? |
| 14:20.57 | Indal | !tell me how to get rich |
| 14:20.58 | greycat | !tell dskippy about modversions.h |
| 14:21.01 | Coke | (latin1, utf-8 or whatever) |
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| 14:21.03 | shadowcat | figures |
| 14:21.08 | shadowcat | don't have the nologin app |
| 14:21.12 | greycat | Coke: run the "locale" program |
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| 14:21.21 | Ekaterin | I have a problem installing the proftpd package. Because /home is an automount point, dselect can't create /home/ftp and so gives up. Any workaround? |
| 14:21.25 | greycat | shadowcat: of course you don't have it. that's the whole *point*. |
| 14:21.36 | shadowcat | so it's not supposed to exist? |
| 14:21.37 | shadowcat | heh |
| 14:21.53 | greycat | dselect... create... /home/ftp?? |
| 14:21.53 | Skaag | strange when i click a username in the list of users in the kde login manager, it crashes and takes me back to the same list... weird stuff. |
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| 14:22.03 | greycat | oh, you mean the package's post-install script? |
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| 14:22.14 | greycat | create it by hand on the server. |
| 14:22.25 | PerfDave | /home is an automount point? |
| 14:22.33 | Rot2- | how a start x ? |
| 14:22.46 | Rot2- | how i start x ? |
| 14:22.51 | greycat | I kinda doubt you really want anonymous ftp's "home" to be automounted, but hey... |
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| 14:22.56 | Indal | man startx |
| 14:22.58 | greycat | Rot2-: startx |
| 14:23.05 | dskippy | greycat: I got kernal-headers but modversions.h is not in there. Is it not possible to get it on debian without building a kernel from source? |
| 14:23.08 | Rot2- | i do but the dont run |
| 14:23.12 | greycat | dskippy: wrong. |
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| 14:23.17 | Linoleum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.22 | Indal | thenc heck logs |
| 14:23.26 | Ekaterin | greycat: Must it be /home/ftp? i.e. If I create the ftp user with a different home dir will that help or confuse the postinstall script totally? |
| 14:23.26 | Indal | for errors, to find out why |
| 14:23.48 | greycat | Ekaterin: read the docs for your ftpd to get the final answer, but in general, no, there's nothing magical about /home/ftp per se... |
| 14:23.48 | dskippy | greycat: Can you please be more specific than "wrong"? |
| 14:24.10 | scarynetworkguy | dskippy: Did you read what the bot told you? |
| 14:24.15 | scarynetworkguy | He was very specific. |
| 14:24.16 | greycat | dskippy: 1) it's not "kernal". 2) kernel-headers is not the package name even if you do spell kernel properly. 3) all Debian kernels have mod versions enabled. |
| 14:24.20 | shadowcat | heh |
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| 14:24.32 | shadowcat | now let's see if I can point the user's home dir to where I want it |
| 14:25.14 | dskippy | scarynetworkguy, greycat: The bot told me to build my kernel from source. Is there a way to avoid this? |
| 14:25.31 | greycat | dskippy: if you built it from source, then you either turn on mod versions in the config, or you just go without. |
| 14:25.34 | scarynetworkguy | dskippy: Go read all the words this time. |
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| 14:26.02 | greycat | if your kernel doesn't use module versioning, then you just omit that -D from the CFLAGS on the module you're building |
| 14:26.18 | Figti | hi :-) |
| 14:26.18 | greycat | if you don't know what that means, you should be using sarge and a debian kernel-image and kernel-headers. |
| 14:26.20 | Rot2- | -bash: startx: command not found |
| 14:26.24 | greycat | !FAQ Rot2- |
| 14:26.25 | dpkg | Rot2-: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:26.44 | dskippy | scarynetworkguy: It says to make-kpkg |
| 14:26.45 | dskippy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.59 | greycat | dskippy: right. but you must've left out "use module versions" in the config. |
| 14:27.12 | scarynetworkguy | dskippy: *ALL* the words. |
| 14:27.32 | dskippy | scarynetworkguy: Could you please stop being delibratly difficult? This is a help channel after all. |
| 14:27.37 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: well... it *does* need updating a bit. |
| 14:27.55 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Yes but if he would read the first part odds are it would sort him. |
| 14:27.56 | greycat | I wrote those words back during the bad days of potato/woody when Debian kernels sucked. |
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| 14:28.11 | scarynetworkguy | dskippy: Did you make sure you have the right headers installed? |
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| 14:28.30 | greycat | and did you check to see whether you enabled mod versions in your .config? |
| 14:28.34 | dskippy | scarynetworkguy: Yes I do. |
| 14:28.52 | scarynetworkguy | dskippy: What does a uname -r return? |
| 14:29.06 | greycat | dpkg, modversions.h =~ s/a good user and // |
| 14:29.06 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 14:29.22 | dskippy | greycat: Enabling modversions in the config means I need to build the kernel from source, right? |
| 14:29.27 | dskippy | dskippy:~$ uname -r |
| 14:29.27 | dskippy | 2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 14:29.46 | greycat | dpkg, modversions.h =~ s/configure the kernel/configure the kernel (with CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y)/ |
| 14:29.46 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 14:30.02 | scarynetworkguy | dskippy: And if you do a dpkg -l kernel-headers* What lines have a ii next to them? |
| 14:30.02 | greycat | dskippy: ALL DEBIAN KERNELS HAVE IT ENABLED. |
| 14:30.04 | Skaag | i'm going to try xfce4 |
| 14:30.15 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: kernel-headers\* |
| 14:30.23 | Linoleum | Indal , logs says nothing about grub , just that it check all the partion , and stop at the part 2 |
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| 14:30.35 | dskippy | ii kernel-headers 2.6.8-10 Header files related to Linux kernel version |
| 14:30.40 | dskippy | ii kernel-headers 2.6.8-10 Linux kernel headers 2.6.8 on AMD K7 |
| 14:30.42 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Worked the other way for me. But I'm sure you are right. *shrug* |
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| 14:30.49 | greycat | damned truncations. |
| 14:30.59 | dskippy | I yeah hate that. |
| 14:31.04 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: if he's in /var/cache/apt/archives at the time, he'll get a nasty shock. |
| 14:31.24 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Ahh. Good point. |
| 14:31.30 | dskippy | I usually use apt-get remove [tab complete] instead of dpkg -l because trucation totally breaks dpkg -l |
| 14:31.37 | greycat | dskippy: so, you're saying that 2.6.8-1-k7 doesn't have CONFIG_MODVERSIONS enabled? Or what? |
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| 14:32.08 | greycat | dskippy: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l kernel-headers\* | grep ^ii |
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| 14:32.26 | dskippy | greycat: No CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y |
| 14:32.46 | greycat | Maybe I need to reevaluate my opinion of recent Debian kernels. |
| 14:32.56 | greycat | Then again, it *is* 2.6... so I wouldn't expect it to be usable. |
| 14:33.04 | dskippy | So is it a bug to have ommited the file? |
| 14:33.12 | greycat | dskippy: CHECK THE FUCKING CONFIG... |
| 14:33.21 | greycat | dskippy: grep CONFIG_MODVERSIONS /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 14:33.27 | dskippy | greycat: I fucking did. I told you the damn line |
| 14:33.36 | dskippy | greycat: No CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y |
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| 14:33.45 | greycat | dskippy: you said "no foo" which is not the same as "# FOO is not set" |
| 14:34.11 | greycat | what the hell does "No CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y" mean? Does the literal string "No " appear at the start of the line? |
| 14:34.24 | MeuMeu | hi dor amd64 port i have the diffuculty that hdd connot found |
| 14:34.32 | greycat | probably SATA. |
| 14:34.36 | MeuMeu | yes |
| 14:34.47 | dskippy | You said is the CONFIG_MODVERSIONS not set so I said no, it's set to y. Confusing way to put it sure. |
| 14:34.52 | MeuMeu | i have downloaded 100 mb net-iso |
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| 14:34.59 | greycat | dskippy: so you're just wrong. |
| 14:35.16 | greycat | if CONFIG_MODVERSIONS is set, and if the kernel headers are installed, then you HAVE a modversions.h file. |
| 14:35.19 | dskippy | Dude, whatever, I'm wrong. CONFIG_MODVERSIONS=y |
| 14:35.21 | greycat | unless you deleted it. |
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| 14:35.27 | valdyn | MeuMeu: i dont think you should use that one for amd64 |
| 14:35.28 | MeuMeu | i cannot find hdd also ehternet |
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| 14:35.31 | greycat | find /usr/src -name modversions.h -print |
| 14:35.47 | valdyn | MeuMeu: but im not sure, guess you read the faq |
| 14:35.58 | MeuMeu | valdyn what do you suggest? |
| 14:36.00 | dskippy | dskippy:/usr/src/linux$ find /usr/src -name modversions.h -print |
| 14:36.01 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 14:36.01 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
| 14:36.09 | dskippy | damn one sec |
| 14:36.15 | dskippy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.18 | greycat | right. |
| 14:36.20 | dskippy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.26 | greycat | any more complaints? |
| 14:36.30 | dskippy | So they're not in include. |
| 14:36.36 | greycat | dskippy: they're where they're supposed to be. |
| 14:36.37 | valdyn | MeuMeu: only that you read the amd64 faq / howto |
| 14:36.47 | dskippy | And any compilation that is looking for them looks in include. |
| 14:36.50 | greycat | (and yes, "include" is part of that path.) |
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| 14:37.05 | dskippy | They're in a sub directory. |
| 14:37.20 | greycat | Someone tell me why I bother. |
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| 14:37.25 | dskippy | The compilations I am using does not look there. |
| 14:37.29 | greycat | THEN FIX IT! |
| 14:37.42 | greycat | vi Makefile |
| 14:37.45 | Skaag | weird - how does one start xfce4... :-) |
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| 14:38.24 | petemc | Skaag: look in /usr/share/doc/xfce , huggie has some nice instructions there |
| 14:38.31 | Skaag | thanks |
| 14:38.33 | drac | skaag, exec /usr/bin/startxfce4 |
| 14:38.37 | drac | skaag, in .xsession |
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| 14:38.49 | dskippy | Man, you don't need this "I'm too smart to deal with stupid people problems attitude" Are you saying that the package I'm building (mgavideo) is not supposed to look in include but rather include/config? |
| 14:38.51 | asg | greycat: ...'because underneath that hard, callous exterior, everyone just wants to be loved?' |
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| 14:39.43 | greycat | dskippy: I don't know anything about 2.6.x kernels. Are you sure your module *works* in 2.6.x? I'm assuming, for the moment, that the Debian maintainers put the files in the right places. |
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| 14:39.47 | jc-denton | !zelur utnubu |
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| 14:40.08 | greycat | in 2.2 and 2.4, it's in .../include/linux/modversions.h |
| 14:40.14 | greycat | !kernel of gratuitous changes |
| 14:40.14 | dpkg | Linux 2.6; see <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513> |
| 14:40.23 | dskippy | greycat: I'll look into it to see if they work on 2.6 |
| 14:40.25 | usernick | Skaag: xfce4 does not have a startmenu like KDE, Gnome or w*ndows. Thats why Iam using KDE. Ive xfce4 does have it sometimes. I`ll probly use it. ;) |
| 14:40.35 | dskippy | That's probably the problem. |
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| 14:41.00 | djg | Hi, I'm attempting to run NFS between a Debian server and a Fedora Core 3 client. When I connect, I get told that the server is down, which it isn't. |
| 14:41.13 | aflag | i lost the root password, how do i login using grub? |
| 14:41.14 | greycat | check the firewall, make sure portmap is running, etc. |
| 14:41.14 | drac | usernick: wtf are you talking about? |
| 14:41.15 | Skaag | usernick: that's not a serious issue for me, to be honest |
| 14:41.21 | greycat | aflag: /msg dpkg I forgot root's password |
| 14:41.28 | djg | greycat, Done both. |
| 14:41.36 | bizkit | hi, i've just set up a gateway and now i'm searching for something like a light-weight dns server since on all client i got nameserver <mygate> in /etc/resolv.conf - any ideas? do i need an dns server? i tried it without an dns server (no service on port 53 on my gate) but i doesn't work, so what about pdnsd? |
| 14:41.36 | djg | greycat, both working fine. |
| 14:41.43 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: is that closer to "boogie down" or "boggle"? |
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| 14:41.59 | Skaag | bizkit dhcp3 |
| 14:42.02 | usernick | skaag: I come from Germany, thats why Iam try to talk as best as I can. ;) |
| 14:42.07 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Heh. boggle. |
| 14:42.17 | Skaag | usernick: that actually was funny my freund |
| 14:42.21 | Skaag | :-) |
| 14:42.25 | usernick | :D |
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| 14:42.55 | djg | greycat, any further suggestions? |
| 14:42.57 | Skaag | i don't have a /usr/share/doc/xfce :-[ |
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| 14:43.06 | valdyn | dskippy: google is your friend: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1094&cid=13150 via "good luck" |
| 14:43.21 | drac | skaag, put 'exec /usr/bin/startxfce' to your ~/.xsession ;) |
| 14:43.23 | Skaag | and apt-get install xfce does not find any package |
| 14:43.23 | usernick | Learn english in Germany is like learning wrong shit. ;) |
| 14:43.29 | bizkit | Skaag: i don't use dhcp. any ideas about dnsmasq? sounds good |
| 14:43.31 | drac | skaag, startxfce4 |
| 14:43.33 | Skaag | drac: ok thanks :-) |
| 14:43.44 | drac | remember that '4' ;) |
| 14:43.53 | Skaag | bizkit: dnsmasq is small and quick, i used it a bit but not for dhcp |
| 14:44.16 | Skaag | drac: Yes, looks good!!! in fact i'm closing bitchx in console and moving over to xfce4, brb! |
| 14:44.19 | dskippy | "google is your friend" Why do you people always assume I'm not willing to even look for an answer on my own? |
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| 14:44.52 | Skaag | whoah :-) |
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| 14:44.55 | Skaag | cool desktop! |
| 14:45.05 | Skaag | feels fast and light |
| 14:45.08 | scarynetworkguy | dskippy: Becaues we see no evidence of it. |
| 14:45.23 | drac | skaag, did you notice 4.2 has been released and backed into debian packages at www.os-works.com? |
| 14:46.00 | djg | Can anyone help on my NFS issues? I'm getting "server is down", despite knowing the server is up and no firewall, and nfs and portmap running. |
| 14:46.10 | usernick | Hmm... |
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| 14:46.24 | valdyn | dskippy: no idea if you even tried, but your problem is on the BTS and easy to find on google |
| 14:46.31 | usernick | skaag: Now I wanna install it too! ;D |
| 14:46.32 | usernick | brb... |
| 14:46.39 | dskippy | That's bullshit. My problem was that the package was being built for the wrong kernel. I had the right .deb packages. I knew where the file was supposed to be. I knew how it's supposed to be configured. I obviously read about the problem. |
| 14:46.56 | dskippy | I just didn't consider there switch from 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 14:46.59 | Skaag | drac: no didn't notice that at all |
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| 14:47.12 | greycat | djg: does "showmount -e server" work? |
| 14:47.31 | valdyn | dskippy: theres a patch for you too on the bts |
| 14:47.42 | djg | greycat, command not found. Package? |
| 14:47.51 | dskippy | valdyn: Thank you. |
| 14:48.00 | greycat | djg: you've gotta be kidding. |
| 14:48.08 | greycat | try /usr/sbin/showmount, if you're not root. |
| 14:48.52 | djg | I get an export list for <server> |
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| 14:49.56 | greycat | dunno, then. log file time. google time. |
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| 14:50.50 | djg | greycat, looks like uid.. |
| 14:51.15 | djg | Fedora starts users at 500, Debian at 1000 |
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| 14:52.34 | greycat | djg: what's that got to do with NFS packets being dropped on the floor? |
| 14:52.35 | djg | greycat, can I just change the number in /etc/passwd? |
| 14:52.48 | djg | greycat, Don't the uids have to match? |
| 14:52.54 | greycat | yes, they had better match. |
| 14:53.02 | greycat | but that won't cause "server not responding" |
| 14:53.11 | greycat | it'll just cause fred's files to be owned by pam. |
| 14:53.28 | djg | What if pam doesn't exist? |
| 14:53.45 | scarynetworkguy | It still won't cause server not responding. |
| 14:53.56 | greycat | djg: then they're owned by a number. |
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| 14:54.02 | djg | OK |
| 14:54.21 | scarynetworkguy | djg: If you nmap the beast is it listening on the right ports? |
| 14:54.35 | scarynetworkguy | Granted I'm a network geek and so tend to get out those tools first. :) |
| 14:54.50 | _eugenesan_ | hi all, how can i generate list of installed packages for cloning debian instalation? |
| 14:54.52 | djg | nfs 2049, rpcbind 111 |
| 14:54.55 | djg | Any others? |
| 14:54.57 | Skaag | drac: so what i have now, unless i use the deb source you mentioned, is 4.1? |
| 14:54.59 | greycat | _eugenesan_: dpkg --get-selections |
| 14:55.16 | _eugenesan_ | greycat: and how to restore? |
| 14:55.19 | greycat | man dpkg |
| 14:55.39 | djg | scarynetworkguy, What port should nfs be on? |
| 14:55.43 | scarynetworkguy | djg: What does google say about what ports should be open? |
| 14:55.43 | _eugenesan_ | greycat: 10x, will dig manuals :-) |
| 14:55.46 | djg | I'm surprised it's 2049 |
| 14:56.05 | greycat | I'm surprised you think it's only *one*. |
| 14:56.05 | scarynetworkguy | djg: Not sure I' haven't done anything with nfs for *years* and have repressed most of those memories. |
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| 14:56.33 | djg | scarynetworkguy, Is there an alternate? |
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| 14:56.57 | Guerin | not really |
| 14:57.00 | djg | greycat, I'm getting started with it. We all have to learn some how. |
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| 14:57.12 | scarynetworkguy | djg: *shrug* Not really. I just don't live in that world anymore. |
| 14:57.23 | djg | scarynetworkguy, lucky you, then. :) |
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| 14:57.34 | Guerin | djg: nfs's use of ports is more compicated than, say http's |
| 14:57.40 | djg | Guerin, OK |
| 14:57.51 | scarynetworkguy | djg: Yes indeed. I just get the packets from here to there and let the server guys worry about the rest. |
| 14:58.00 | greycat | you must remember that NFS was designed in the early 1980s when network security was not a consideration |
| 14:58.09 | drac | skaag, i'm not sure the about currect version you have, but i can tell you the version from os-works.com works, is newer and much more beautiful :-P |
| 14:58.14 | djg | greycat, and there is no replacement? |
| 14:58.31 | greycat | djg: there are a few, none of them popular except for SMB. |
| 14:58.46 | scarynetworkguy | *shudder* |
| 14:58.51 | Guerin | djg: don't use it except on secure local networks |
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| 14:59.06 | djg | I can get Samba working OK, I just thought that NFS was more "native". |
| 14:59.10 | scarynetworkguy | A sniff of a SMB session is a horror worthy of Lovecraft. |
| 14:59.10 | Guerin | djg: for anuthing else, use ftp or http/webdav over ssl |
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| 14:59.23 | greycat | NFS is far more native and intuitive than SMB. You just don't firewall it. |
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| 14:59.38 | djg | Guerin, it is a closed internal network, so SMB isn't impossible. |
| 14:59.56 | Guerin | djg: just use nfs then. |
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| 15:00.09 | djg | Guerin, that's why I'm here. :) I can't get it working. |
| 15:00.30 | greycat | djg: did you completely disable the firewall on both ends? I'm getting confused... |
| 15:00.39 | djg | greycat, Yes |
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| 15:00.52 | djg | No firewalls running between client and host. |
| 15:01.21 | Guerin | djg: do the troubleshooting section of the tldp.org nfs howto |
| 15:01.22 | greycat | ok, then your problem lies elsewhere. |
| 15:01.38 | djg | "/home 192.168.0.0.19(rw,sync,no_boot_squash)" |
| 15:01.44 | djg | Does that look normal. |
| 15:01.49 | djg | The client is 192.168.0.19 |
| 15:01.57 | djg | Guerin, OK, thanks. |
| 15:02.00 | greycat | djg: you have 5 octets. |
| 15:02.02 | De_Mon | back to square one, can they ping eachother |
| 15:02.12 | Guerin | djg: [no_]boot_squash is not a valid nfs option |
| 15:02.14 | greycat | De_Mon: showmount -e worked. |
| 15:02.22 | Guerin | and the 8 octets |
| 15:02.23 | greycat | Guerin: that too :) |
| 15:02.27 | djg | Oops. |
| 15:02.33 | scarynetworkguy | djg: Server not responding means a packet somewhere along the line is not getting where it needs to be. The 5 octets would account for that. |
| 15:02.36 | djg | Feel free to abuse me. |
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| 15:03.00 | Guerin | see |
| 15:03.10 | Guerin | that mistake is just to silly for anyone to make fun of |
| 15:03.19 | Guerin | it could happen to any of us |
| 15:03.20 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite djg |
| 15:03.28 | Guerin | plain stupidity can't account for that shit |
| 15:03.28 | scarynetworkguy | djg: :) |
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| 15:03.42 | djg | Guerin, I've always been exceptional. |
| 15:03.45 | scarynetworkguy | No it can't but it is fun to tease about it after the fact. |
| 15:03.59 | djg | OK. It still doesn't work. |
| 15:04.10 | Guerin | djg: do the troubleshooting section of the tldp.org nfs howto |
| 15:04.23 | djg | Guerin, will do. |
| 15:04.39 | scarynetworkguy | djg: What Guerin said and slap a tcpdump on either end. That almost always tells you something useful. |
| 15:04.40 | pradu | hello, I have a problem with OpenSSH on a debian 3.0 machine (all security updates installed), it allows me to login through keyboard-interactive but not through password. any clue? |
| 15:05.10 | djg | scarynetworkguy, OK, thanks. |
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| 15:05.24 | djg | greycat, Guerin, scarynetworkguy, thanks for your help all. |
| 15:05.38 | FromTO | is there a way to get who to output faster tables. when people disconnet, it talkes about 1/2 to an hour before it updates info |
| 15:05.52 | Guerin | pradu: what? |
| 15:05.55 | pack | are there any ways to restrict who can access your apt repository? like with ssh keys or somthing? |
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| 15:06.03 | mattiSn | anyone using rtai here? |
| 15:06.07 | groton | hello all |
| 15:06.15 | greycat | pack: what repository are you referring to?> |
| 15:06.18 | Guerin | pack: that would be a transport layer issue |
| 15:06.21 | scarynetworkguy | djg: np |
| 15:06.22 | lu | whoa, quite a few people |
| 15:06.47 | pradu | Guerin: I have a box with 3.0 installed, I can connect to it using ssh fine, but one windows client that is using PasswordAuthentication can't login |
| 15:06.54 | groton | i have one of ythe most easy question: once i installed a documentation thru apt-get install, how do i know how to access to it? |
| 15:07.14 | greycat | groton: /usr/share/doc/* |
| 15:07.19 | SlayerXP | groton: cd /usr/share/doc |
| 15:07.32 | pradu | If I force my ssh to use password auth then even my login fails |
| 15:07.44 | groton | greycat, SlayerXP : ok, thanks :) |
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| 15:07.57 | pack | greycat: we wanted to allow customers to use apt to download the software we've written, but not unless they were actually our customers. so i guess i'd seen ximian and lindows do it, it had to be possible |
| 15:08.12 | lu | anybody a debian/dell laptop user? |
| 15:08.15 | lu | d800 |
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| 15:08.32 | pack | (we write software for research robots, so a debian mirror/our software mirror for customers to use) |
| 15:08.46 | shadowcat | anyone have any idea of why my ftp client freezes when I attempt to upload to my ftp? |
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| 15:09.00 | Guerin | pack: then you'll have no trouble setting up a login/pass ftp service |
| 15:09.04 | greycat | pack: well... I guess you could use HTTP authentication and force everyone to set username/password in their apt config files. |
| 15:09.12 | scarynetworkguy | shadowcat: Are you behind a firewall and using active mode when you should be in passive mode? |
| 15:09.26 | Guerin | lu: no, nobody. |
| 15:09.31 | shadowcat | scarynetworkguy: iptables in that case |
| 15:09.35 | shadowcat | no other firewall active |
| 15:09.37 | Guerin | lu: you are alone, crying in the wilderness. |
| 15:09.39 | Delph | shadowcat: does another ftp client freeze? |
| 15:09.42 | pack | Guerin/greycat both good options, i'll go look for documentation. thanks. |
| 15:09.43 | lu | haha |
| 15:09.47 | shadowcat | Delph: yes |
| 15:09.48 | greycat | shadowcat: is your Debian machine inside a NAT, or not? |
| 15:09.49 | shadowcat | tried two of them |
| 15:09.54 | shadowcat | greycat: nope |
| 15:09.56 | shadowcat | routable ip |
| 15:09.56 | scarynetworkguy | shadowcat: Adn are you using active mode or passive mode? |
| 15:10.01 | lu | well, i'm not jeremiah so i'll laugh |
| 15:10.01 | Delph | shadowcat: do they use the same ftp library ? =:) |
| 15:10.06 | shadowcat | scarynetworkguy: doesn't matter |
| 15:10.08 | shadowcat | both freeze |
| 15:10.17 | shadowcat | Delph: windows clients |
| 15:10.19 | Guerin | lu: heh, nice catch. |
| 15:10.29 | shadowcat | I doubt they use the same library though |
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| 15:10.33 | greycat | Delph: so you have a WINDOWS problem?! |
| 15:10.37 | greycat | err. |
| 15:10.41 | Guerin | hehe |
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| 15:10.43 | greycat | shadowcat: so you have a WINDOWS problem?! |
| 15:10.45 | scarynetworkguy | shadowcat: See the answer there is not "doesn't matter" the answer is "I've tried with both and neither works." because it bloody well *does* matter. |
| 15:11.02 | lu | i'm attempting to compile a kernel 2.6 with better support |
| 15:11.21 | kyncani | shadowcat: does it freeze for very small files ? |
| 15:11.26 | lu | i have a nicely functioning 2.4 but 2.6 is a cheap upgrade |
| 15:11.30 | shadowcat | kyncani: no |
| 15:11.36 | shadowcat | 1-2 meg files are ok |
| 15:11.37 | JarJarBinks | I'm having trouble writing, to my ntfs partition, my /usr/src/linux/.config says CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y when grep -i ntfs .config, and mount gives me /dev/hde1 on /mnt/ntfs type ntfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev), furthermore, ls -ld in /mnt/ntfs/temp gives drwx------ 1 root root, but I can't create anyfiles, eventhough I'm root, any suggestions? |
| 15:11.40 | shadowcat | 10 meg files cause trouble |
| 15:11.44 | Delph | lol |
| 15:11.54 | greycat | shadowcat: check the duplex settings and the MTU |
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| 15:11.58 | Guerin | shadowcat: logs |
| 15:12.00 | Delph | shadowcat: this is what is normally called 'useful information' =:) |
| 15:12.03 | kyncani | shadowcat: yeah, mtu pb likely |
| 15:12.09 | scarynetworkguy | shadowcat: And does the client go crashy or does the transfer just stop? |
| 15:12.21 | DerJamster | JarJarBinks: Yes, use less commas and more periods. |
| 15:12.22 | Guerin | crashy client is usually mtu |
| 15:12.26 | shadowcat | client freezes |
| 15:12.32 | Guerin | right |
| 15:12.32 | shadowcat | but completes the transfer |
| 15:12.39 | shadowcat | at like a really slow speed |
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| 15:12.46 | shadowcat | and afterwards it's like nothing happened |
| 15:12.50 | Guerin | definitely sounds like mtu |
| 15:12.54 | lu | chao |
| 15:13.04 | Guerin | client gets ahead of the server |
| 15:13.04 | greycat | JarJarBinks: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 15:13.17 | JarJarBinks | DerJamster: thank you very much, no everything works fine :-< |
| 15:13.20 | shadowcat | hmm how do I configure the mtu? |
| 15:13.27 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: please don't be in any more movies |
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| 15:13.52 | JarJarBinks | Guerin: I just did JarJarBinks does dallas |
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| 15:13.58 | Guerin | JarJarBinks: nnoooooo |
| 15:14.01 | scarynetworkguy | shadowcat: Ahh. What does tcpdump tell us? /me has seen many times when it is mtu, also switch speed, and once with MPE, HP-UX, and Windows (Don't even ask) a fucked TCP/IP stack on the far end cause this. |
| 15:14.02 | DerJamster | :laughs |
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| 15:15.17 | scarynetworkguy | among many other things. |
| 15:15.29 | shadowcat | bah |
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| 15:15.35 | shadowcat | gotta install that too it seem |
| 15:15.37 | shadowcat | s |
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| 15:16.26 | shadowcat | scarynetworkguy: what am I looking for in there? |
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| 15:17.25 | Guerin | shadowcat: mut = man ifconfig |
| 15:17.28 | Guerin | mtu |
| 15:17.30 | scarynetworkguy | shadowcat: retransmissions, crc errors, odd fins. Stuff like that. If you have a GUI on the box ethereal is easier to read. |
| 15:17.45 | kyncani | shadowcat: you can try lowering your mtu for your ppp connection i think. Hope you don't have some fucked-up os and tcp stack somewhere between you and the ftp server. |
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| 15:18.15 | shadowcat | ppp? |
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| 15:18.26 | shadowcat | dude I'm transfering between two comps that are next to each other |
| 15:18.31 | shadowcat | over a 100mbps lan |
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| 15:18.57 | greycat | shadowcat: is it windows XP service pack 2? |
| 15:19.13 | Guerin | shadowcat: set your mtu a bit lower with ifconfig |
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| 15:19.18 | shadowcat | client is |
| 15:19.26 | greycat | shadowcat: THEN TURN OFF THE FUCKING FIREWALL. |
| 15:19.27 | greycat | NEXT! |
| 15:19.28 | Guerin | shadowcat: to do it on windows, ha ha, ask some windows geeks |
| 15:19.29 | riley | Is the .config for a fresh install's kernel saved somewhere? |
| 15:19.33 | Guerin | hah |
| 15:19.38 | greycat | riley: /boot |
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| 15:19.41 | Guerin | !greycat++ |
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| 15:19.44 | shadowcat | greycat: firewall's off |
| 15:19.52 | shadowcat | not using the Windows Firewall |
| 15:19.54 | tarzeau | it is illegal to scan pantone color charts and have them electronically in the computer with the pantone names and distribute those? |
| 15:20.06 | greycat | shadowcat: does it work between two debian boxes on the same network? |
| 15:20.13 | shadowcat | hmm |
| 15:20.14 | Guerin | tarzeau: almost certainly; though you almost certainly will not get caught |
| 15:20.26 | shadowcat | I'd need to install a second debian box |
| 15:20.30 | shadowcat | only have one at the moment |
| 15:20.31 | tarzeau | Guerin: what if i distribute that on say a popular live cd? |
| 15:20.34 | riley | greycat uh, i cant believe i didnt check that. heh, thx |
| 15:20.38 | Guerin | tarzeau: iirc, the colour lists themselves are protected |
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| 15:20.52 | Guerin | tarzeau: like the gnustep cd, prehaps? |
| 15:21.00 | greycat | laws suck. copyright laws, more so. |
| 15:21.05 | tarzeau | Guerin: yeah, in the gnustep color widget of that even |
| 15:21.19 | Guerin | tarzeau: worst-case: you'll get a C&D |
| 15:21.27 | tarzeau | Guerin: what's that? |
| 15:21.32 | greycat | cease & desist |
| 15:21.34 | Guerin | tarzeau: not that I'm advising you to do this :) |
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| 15:22.10 | greycat | !dict desist |
| 15:22.13 | dpkg | Dictionary 'desist' (3 shown; 4 total): To desist from his bad practice. --Massinger. ;; Never desisting to do evil. --E. Hall. ;; Desist \De*sist"\ (?; 277), v. i. [imp. & p. p. Desisted; p. pr. & vb. n. Desisting.] [L. desistere; de- + sistere to stand, stop, fr. stare to stand: cf. F. d['e]sister. See Stand.] To cease to proceed or act; to stop; to forbear; -- often with from.. |
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| 15:22.20 | Guerin | colour lists, specific though they are, are hard yards when it comes to criminal penalties |
| 15:22.33 | tarzeau | Guerin: are there free color lists? |
| 15:23.04 | Guerin | tarzeau: yeah. #000000 - #ffffff |
| 15:23.20 | Spida | ssh b0rken? |
| 15:23.21 | Guerin | yeah, better have a damn good scanner |
| 15:23.24 | Guerin | Spida: no |
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| 15:23.31 | tarzeau | Delph: hah! of course i'd not really scan it |
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| 15:23.40 | sussudio | in soviet russia, pantone chart scans you |
| 15:23.41 | tarzeau | Delph: but use the list that OPENSTEP shipped |
| 15:23.43 | shadowcat | blegh |
| 15:23.51 | shadowcat | pulling files from the site is no problem |
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| 15:23.57 | shadowcat | it's jsut uploading that stumps me |
| 15:24.05 | tarzeau | i guess it's too obvious just renmaing the names |
| 15:24.12 | tarzeau | (say with sed only the first letter) |
| 15:24.13 | simonrvn | Guerin: my wife was a typesetter ;) |
| 15:24.16 | Guerin | tarzeau: once it's already software, and you're copying that software, you get yourself into sdifferent territory |
| 15:24.26 | Guerin | simonrvn: hah. |
| 15:24.30 | greycat | shadowcat: duplex mismatch is my first bet. |
| 15:24.42 | Guerin | tarzeau: haha |
| 15:24.59 | Guerin | tarzeau: sed /^./^g/g |
| 15:25.11 | Guerin | the gnu colour list! |
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| 15:26.33 | Guerin | gurnt sienna ; gzure sky ; gure indigo ; glive drab |
| 15:26.37 | Guerin | I like it :) |
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| 15:27.02 | tarzeau | Guerin: let's call it GANTONE! |
| 15:27.09 | Guerin | tarzeau: genius! |
| 15:27.17 | shadowcat | greycat,: duplex mismatch? |
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| 15:27.30 | tarzeau | Guerin: hey look how much pantone colors look like ours! let's sue them! |
| 15:27.39 | Guerin | shadowcat: like this ====> >---- |
| 15:27.41 | karl | I want to make a link to a script output or replace a file with some scripts output Is it possible |
| 15:27.55 | karl | ? |
| 15:27.58 | Guerin | tarzeau: email the EFF now! |
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| 15:28.08 | torbjorn | karl: yes, use named pipes |
| 15:28.12 | Guerin | !possible |
| 15:28.12 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
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| 15:28.47 | shadowcat | Guerin: figured it out |
| 15:28.50 | shadowcat | box needs rebooting |
| 15:28.58 | Guerin | must be a windows box |
| 15:29.04 | shadowcat | yep |
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| 15:29.15 | darkskiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.26 | shadowcat | tried it on a second windows box |
| 15:29.31 | shadowcat | uploaded just fine |
| 15:30.13 | karl | Can anyone explain how to use a named pipe As far as I understand I can not the script execute when someone reads the pipe |
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| 15:31.16 | resiak | karl: You have a script writing to the pipe running the whole time. It blocks until someone else reads the pipe. |
| 15:32.27 | Skaag | omg i love xfce |
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| 15:35.03 | karl | resiak: This means that I will have a script respawning all the time ? |
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| 15:35.27 | souza10 | Is there someone could help me with apt-get's lists? I've copied my /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb to one cd and when I try to get apt-cdrom add in another computer it asks me for a list. Please, how can I make this list? |
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| 15:37.04 | resiak | karl: No, the script stays running. When it's finished writing what it does to the pipe, you sleep it for, say, half a second. This means that the reader gets EOF and stops reading. There's an example somewhere in the Perl documentation, which is where I learned what I know. I may be wrong on some details, but. |
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| 15:39.13 | petre | immortalsfdef: do i know you? |
| 15:39.28 | petre | if not, stop pm-ing me |
| 15:39.37 | greycat | What are the units on "mkisofs -print-size"? The man page has a huge paragraph about when to use it, but nothing that tells me what an "extent" is, or how big "1797728" is. (What units?) |
| 15:39.45 | karl | resiak: Hmmmmm I will try |
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| 15:40.10 | jm_ | greycat: Print estimated filesystem size in multiples of the sector size (2048 bytes) |
| 15:40.20 | Rot2- | hello |
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| 15:40.39 | Rot2- | mdetect ??? package |
| 15:40.54 | Rot2- | im reading the debian faq |
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| 15:41.44 | greycat | jm_: ok, fixed post-woody then :( |
| 15:41.45 | burd | I am trying to get the lirc module sinstalled with a 2.6.7 kernel. when I run make I get the following error: Makefile:370: /usr/src/linux/Rules.make: No such file or directory... any ideas or suggestions? |
| 15:42.06 | jm_ | greycat: yup, I remember figuring it out by experimenting prior to upgrading to Sarge |
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| 15:42.55 | directhex|work | burd, apt-get install module-assistant && m-a a-i lirc-modules |
| 15:43.11 | christor_ | Hello all, I have installed an X on my debian with apt-get isntall x-window-system , then I would like to install wmaker but it doesn t work. However it works with enlightenment and other. somone has an idea to make work my wmaker? |
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| 15:43.48 | tarzeau | are maybe the german RAL color lists protected? or freely usable/distributable? |
| 15:43.57 | burd | directhex.. that kinda threw me off.. just apt get install module assistant or the rest of that too? |
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| 15:44.02 | Mage_ | christor_: vi ~/.xinitrc |
| 15:44.14 | SmokeyD | he people, is there a way to get php4-gd package with gif support. My lib gd supports gif |
| 15:44.18 | tarzeau | www.ral.de is their homepage |
| 15:44.25 | SmokeyD | but the compilation of php seems to be without gif support |
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| 15:44.34 | tarzeau | click on ral colors top right, then ral classic |
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| 15:44.58 | directhex|work | burd, module assistant is a tool for building modules. if you apt-get install module-assistant, you can either do things on the command line, or run m-a as root to get the gui for it, which you may prefer |
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| 15:45.26 | burd | directhex: trying it, thanks |
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| 15:45.56 | christor_ | Mage_: and? |
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| 15:46.29 | pro | hey guys, this is not a bug, and its not just debian related, but how come on my laptop, when it boots I have one penguin, on my workstation there are 2 and on my server there are 4 of them? |
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| 15:46.44 | xnor | i have installed x server and kde, when i login i see the progressbar but after awhile (initializing pheripials) i return to the login screen!? if i choose twm as windowmanager it works |
| 15:46.45 | jm_ | number of penguins indicate number of CPU-s |
| 15:47.11 | citral | xnor: logs, logs, logs |
| 15:47.15 | pro | doh, thanks, that makes sence |
| 15:47.16 | christor_ | xnor: same problem with wmaker |
| 15:47.36 | xnor | christor what is wmaker? :) |
| 15:47.37 | hlux | can anyone give some help with isdn4linux ? isdnlog reports the following error every 30 seconds "Interrogation divserion result" and "ReturnError: Invalid served user nr" |
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| 15:48.13 | christor_ | xnor: windowmaker, kde , gnome, twm, enlightenment ..... |
| 15:48.24 | website | hi to all |
| 15:48.39 | xnor | christor yea thatone works but not kde :/ |
| 15:48.42 | website | does somebody know how to make an ati radeon 9200pro work on debian? |
| 15:48.44 | thingfish | hi website |
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| 15:49.03 | burd | directhex: I got the same error.. did the update then did the command |
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| 15:49.16 | citral | xnor: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 15:49.38 | pro | website, yeah, i did it once, dont remember off hand how, but im sure i saved the doc somewhere, u needed to overwrite some glx stuff, |
| 15:49.53 | Ronin | would you like something immortalsfdef? |
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| 15:50.27 | burd | oops h/o I may see my mistake |
| 15:50.27 | citral | "u" is not a word |
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| 15:50.44 | website | pro, i set to use ati driver to xFree86 conf file but the error is that there is not screen |
| 15:51.00 | citral | !no screen found |
| 15:51.14 | website | citral, yes |
| 15:51.24 | pro | run xf86cfg -textmode and go through the things one by one and set them all up and then save and exit |
| 15:51.30 | citral | !screen not found |
| 15:51.31 | dpkg | you probably gave wrong monitor freqs or a wrong video card driver, or perhaps you should try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 15:51.32 | website | maybe if i switch to xorg i can solve the problem... |
| 15:51.32 | xnor | citral: iam there is the errors always at the eof? at the eof i have PEXExtensionInit: Couldn´t open default PEX font file Roman_M |
| 15:51.43 | jm_ | ciral;/msg dpkg noscreensfound |
| 15:51.53 | jm_ | xnor: that's not a fatal error |
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| 15:52.02 | website | alread done dpkg-reconfigure xserver... and set vesa driver to use x for now |
| 15:52.04 | citral | xnor: that doesn't count |
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| 15:52.36 | pro | anyway, i better be off, its home time here |
| 15:53.37 | citral | website: switching to xorg will only bring a lot of troubles, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86, say NO to framebuffer |
| 15:54.09 | neenee | website: and there's a bug in xorg causing X to lockup for many |
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| 15:54.25 | xnor | citral and jm_: how about Caught signal 4. Server aborting? |
| 15:54.41 | citral | xnor: no other reason? |
| 15:54.49 | neenee | debians' xfree has backports i heard, so it's not as old as one might think |
| 15:54.50 | jm_ | xnor: that one is |
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| 15:55.24 | citral | xnor: I mean, look for the FIRST error |
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| 15:55.53 | greycat | neenee: yes, sarge's X server has a lot of 4.4-prerelease drivers in it despite being nominally 4.3.0.1 |
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| 15:56.52 | website | citral, i've done what you said |
| 15:56.58 | website | now restartig x |
| 15:56.59 | website | see you |
| 15:57.03 | xnor | citral: Cannot open APM ? |
| 15:57.22 | citral | xnor: could be, apt-get install apm then |
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| 15:57.25 | citral | or apmd |
| 15:57.56 | FabParma | help Aptitude is bloked since 30 mins it says : "94% [Working] " if i close the terminal is dangerous? or mybe are there others solutions? |
| 15:58.12 | citral | FabParma: you can safely close it |
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| 15:58.26 | greycat | FabParma: ctrl-c it; it'll keep the stuff that's already downloaded. |
| 15:58.31 | citral | and use apt-get, instead |
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| 15:58.38 | neenee | greycat: then i heard correctly :) |
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| 15:58.57 | AzHaR | hi |
| 15:58.59 | FabParma | citral: i dont risk to make corruption? |
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| 15:59.17 | neenee | hi azhar |
| 15:59.22 | Delph | FabParma: it does magic md5 summing |
| 15:59.22 | citral | FabParma: no, like greycat said it will keep the stuff already downloaded |
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| 15:59.31 | AzHaR | I was triying to create a new partition and now my partition table is wrong |
| 15:59.34 | burd | damn still the same error: Makefile:370: /usr/src/linux/Rules.make: No such file or directory |
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| 15:59.55 | website | citral, none solved |
| 15:59.59 | FabParma | citral: lovely, thank you :-) |
| 16:00.03 | greycat | burd: your driver is assuming something that clearly is not true on your system. |
| 16:00.19 | citral | website: do you have xbase-clients installed? |
| 16:00.25 | greycat | burd: you could try to pacify it by making /usr/src/linux a symlink to your actual kernel source tree, if you used one to build a custom kernel... |
| 16:00.27 | FabParma | i believed that Aptitude was better than Apt |
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| 16:00.40 | AzHaR | and now the only place where my partition info is it's the memory so as soon as I reboot I'll lose all the starting points and sizes of my partitions |
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| 16:00.49 | website | yes i have |
| 16:01.01 | jm_ | AzHaR: /proc/partitions |
| 16:01.06 | website | before this radeon i had an ati rage 128 and it worked perfectly |
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| 16:01.21 | citral | website: so VESA is probably not the right driver for you |
| 16:01.22 | AzHaR | thanks jm_ |
| 16:01.28 | chealer | FabParma: aptitude is a GUI for APT |
| 16:01.29 | burd | greycat: yah..I did that, i see all kinds of the same problem, they had a kernel patch at one time, said it was fied on 2.6.7 kernel.. I tried installing their latest version from a deb as well and still no luck.. currently I am back to working with the one from Sarge |
| 16:01.37 | website | citral, but with vera it works |
| 16:01.39 | citral | chealer: no, that's synaptic |
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| 16:01.42 | burd | s/fied/fixed |
| 16:01.58 | website | citral, with ati it says: screen not found |
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| 16:02.20 | burd | might be submittable bug for sarge at the very least |
| 16:02.23 | citral | website: anyway, google for ati radeon debian, find a good howto and install everything correctly |
| 16:02.35 | AzHaR | but there I only can find the sizes |
| 16:02.42 | greycat | burd: have you considered using module-assistant, or were you already doing so? |
| 16:02.55 | burd | yah i just did that too with no luck |
| 16:02.59 | burd | I did the update etc |
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| 16:03.16 | chealer | aptitude - high-level interface to the package manager |
| 16:03.27 | chealer | may not be as graphical as synaptic indeed |
| 16:03.52 | Guerin | but graphicality is not the overriding factor for a program's worth |
| 16:04.04 | jm_ | AzHaR: yes, that's all you have now, or use gpart or somesuch |
| 16:04.10 | greycat | especially for something you only run as a sysadmin |
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| 16:04.32 | elnovato | how to reinstall perl on debian?? |
| 16:04.40 | greycat | why? |
| 16:04.56 | AzHaR | I've tried with gpart, but it found 9 primary partitions |
| 16:05.02 | greycat | ("Daddy, broken glass is really sharp, right?") |
| 16:05.03 | burd | I would have liked to install this using debian packages but I want it so bad I am seriously considering trying an install from cvs |
| 16:05.46 | Shnufine | Hello. I've got a bootup error. When I boot my system I got after loading apm a black screen with a cursor. I could execute commands but doesn't see what I do ;) I looked with a rescue boot in the syslog an there I found: FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device. Please help me what could I do for a normal boot? |
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| 16:05.48 | AzHaR | I don't know how to recreate the logical and extended partitios |
| 16:06.33 | Shnufine | I'm now in the rescue login an can execute commands... |
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| 16:07.05 | burd | shnufine.. I think you can just rmmod apm not sure tho |
| 16:07.25 | greycat | if he got "No such device" on loading, then I have no idea why... |
| 16:07.36 | khanman | how do you mount NTFS partitions on a dual-boot WinXP/Debian system ? |
| 16:07.46 | greycat | I'd suggest "Don't try loading it any more". |
| 16:07.54 | Shnufine | burd: Module apm does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 16:07.59 | greycat | khanman: read-only. |
| 16:08.04 | Guerin | khanman: man mount - look for the -t option |
| 16:08.14 | Shnufine | greycat: How could I delete it ? |
| 16:08.19 | khanman | read only? |
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| 16:08.30 | khanman | that sucks |
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| 16:08.36 | Shnufine | greycat: I just want a normal bootup at first... |
| 16:08.43 | burd | khanman: if you want to be able to recognize that partitiob with windows next tie you boot, read:only lol |
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| 16:08.52 | dnb | hi how can i search 3 words in one line for a file ? |
| 16:08.58 | burd | damn my typing is getting worse and worse |
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| 16:09.06 | citral | Shnufine: mv /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko.old |
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| 16:09.17 | virgomoon | I know this belongs on #knoppix, but no one there is answering. Do I understand correctly that Knoppix boots and runs completely from the cd with no hd install? |
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| 16:09.27 | citral | that will definitely prevent it from loading |
| 16:09.28 | burd | virgomoon:yes |
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| 16:09.40 | JoshH | virgomoon: thats what everything you have read about knoppix says, right? |
| 16:09.42 | neenee | virgomoon: yes |
| 16:09.42 | Shnufine | citral: I tried this already. It comes then a error up No such file.... |
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| 16:09.55 | alexscott | ++ |
| 16:10.03 | caphuso | dnb: grep word1 file | grep word2 | grep word3 |
| 16:10.04 | neenee | virgomoon: no changes will be made to your system |
| 16:10.04 | virgomoon | Yes, but it's just a bit of a strange idea. |
| 16:10.28 | citral | Shnufine: but, you might better find what is trying to load the module. If it's hotplug, blacklist the module then |
| 16:10.38 | citral | or remove hotplug |
| 16:10.41 | virgomoon | I noticed there's a game cd, too. Do you need 2 cd drives to run the games or do you just do some disk swapping? |
| 16:10.44 | citral | even better :) |
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| 16:11.01 | citral | virgomoon: there are web sites for that |
| 16:11.07 | neenee | can i run udev without hotplug? |
| 16:11.09 | burd | virgomoon.. is it as stange as say running it entirely from a usb memory stick? or maybe even across a network |
| 16:11.22 | virgomoon | burd: good point |
| 16:11.26 | virgomoon | This I gotta see. |
| 16:11.41 | Shnufine | citral: And how could I find out which module it tries to load ? |
| 16:11.47 | burd | virgomoon a 8 year old with decent typing skills can run knoppix.. just grab it and go |
| 16:12.03 | elnovato | is there any expert on perl debian here? |
| 16:12.14 | citral | Shnufine: d'oh, it tells it tries to load /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko or not? |
| 16:12.17 | virgomoon | burd: well then, I might have a shot. |
| 16:12.26 | xnor | does anyone know if there is some kernel-image with apm support? |
| 16:12.28 | SlayerXP | elnovato: sorry, we're all amatuers |
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| 16:12.46 | Shnufine | citral yes |
| 16:12.47 | elnovato | cheers SlayerXP me too |
| 16:13.06 | citral | Shnufine: so if you have hotplug installed, blacklist apm.ko |
| 16:13.06 | virgomoon | elnovato: just throw it out there, we'll see what happens |
| 16:13.35 | Shnufine | citral: What do you mean with backlist ? |
| 16:13.49 | citral | Shnufine: do you have hotplug or not? |
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| 16:14.02 | Shnufine | citral: I think so |
| 16:14.06 | citral | whereis hotplug |
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| 16:14.35 | lex | Hey, how do i find out what process (PID) is using which port? For example, i run nmap and see a bunch of ports... id like to know which is for which process |
| 16:14.42 | greycat | !open ports |
| 16:14.42 | dpkg | from memory, open ports is netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 16:14.43 | Shnufine | citral its installed... |
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| 16:14.47 | elnovato | when i do : perl -MCPAN -e'install Encode::compat' i receive this error: Writing Makefile for Encode::compat -- NOT OK Running make test Can't test without successful make Running make install make had returned bad status, install seems impossible |
| 16:14.55 | citral | Shnufine: so look in /etc/hotplug/ |
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| 16:15.21 | burd | lex: you should at the very least have an idea of what daemons use what ports or how they are configured |
| 16:15.30 | citral | /* I hate hotplug */ |
| 16:15.46 | Shnufine | citral and then, what should I do there ? |
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| 16:16.03 | citral | Shnufine: uh, find a file called blacklist-something and edit it |
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| 16:16.14 | citral | Shnufine: put your apm module there |
| 16:16.18 | Shnufine | citral there is backlist and backlist.d |
| 16:16.31 | citral | Shnufine: here you are. |
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| 16:16.53 | toubsu | how can i find the duplex settings for my nics? |
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| 16:17.18 | valdyn | Shnufine: echo "apm" > /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/fuck_apm |
| 16:17.19 | Guerin | toubsu: mii-tool |
| 16:17.21 | greycat | toubsu: mii-tool, usually, with recent hardware. |
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| 16:17.32 | greycat | toubsu: otherwise, dmesg, or UTSL. |
| 16:17.58 | toubsu | thanks |
| 16:17.59 | Shnufine | citral ehm thats very strange.... I could not edit these files... vi want to create new ones... |
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| 16:18.21 | Shnufine | citral my mistake |
| 16:18.26 | citral | Shnufine: because they are directories maybe? |
| 16:18.49 | elnovato | soo wheres the help? |
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| 16:19.11 | citral | elnovato: in mali |
| 16:19.37 | asg | elnovato: #perl |
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| 16:20.06 | burd | I've never used cvs before, can I grab all of the files at once somehow with the sourceforge web based setup or do I need something to get that easily |
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| 16:20.48 | NoYaN | can anyone install debian on sata hdd motherboard GA-k8NS |
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| 16:20.57 | citral | !sata faq |
| 16:20.58 | dpkg | methinks sata faq is at http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 16:21.18 | NoYaN | citral ty but i looked there |
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| 16:22.08 | Shnufine | citral I entered in the file /etc/hotplug/blacklist a new line apm and restarted. I got already a black screen with a cursor. |
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| 16:22.34 | greycat | have you considered "rm /path/to/pam.ko" yet? |
| 16:22.44 | greycat | not pretty, but... |
| 16:22.59 | Shnufine | greycat then comes the error No such file... |
| 16:23.10 | greycat | so? it won't crasht he kernel :) |
| 16:23.17 | Shnufine | citral and the syslog tells me the same error.. |
| 16:23.29 | Shnufine | Kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI |
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| 16:23.55 | Shnufine | Kernel: Error inserting apm (...): No such device |
| 16:24.22 | Shnufine | uhm sorry modprobe: Error inserting apm |
| 16:24.44 | toubsu | can the mii-tool give false readings? it says my 100 card is running at 10 Mbit, full duplex, yet i can xfer at 9MB/s+ to this machine? |
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| 16:24.52 | greycat | heh |
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| 16:25.20 | antjos | hi |
| 16:25.25 | priest | i'm trying to get a virtuial domain working in postfix, i have added "virtual_alias_domains" and a virtual_alias_maps and still it say "no relay" and shit like that. what can be wrong? |
| 16:25.28 | takatumi_ | Shnufine: is it an ati graphics card? |
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| 16:25.51 | Shnufine | takatumi_ I've got a ati graphic card.. |
| 16:26.19 | takatumi_ | Shnufine: tried booting with vga=791 ? |
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| 16:26.38 | Guerin | priest: sasl |
| 16:26.51 | citral | Shnufine: and make SURE apm is NOT in /etc/modules |
| 16:27.01 | Guerin | priest: do you do confession? |
| 16:27.07 | priest | Guerin: i'm not using sasl? |
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| 16:27.36 | Shnufine | citral its not in /etc/modules |
| 16:27.43 | shadowcat | anyone played with vsftpd umasks before? |
| 16:27.52 | shadowcat | I'm having trouble getting the ftpd to set the permissions I want |
| 16:27.56 | valdyn | Shnufine: why are you concluding that your error is at all related to apm.ko? |
| 16:28.01 | citral | Shnufine: then discover1 is probably trying to load it too, blacklist again |
| 16:28.04 | Shnufine | takatumi_: Do you think its a graphic card failure ? |
| 16:28.05 | citral | sigh |
| 16:28.20 | Trevelyan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.22 | Guerin | priest: My son, we all make mistakes. Do 5 'man saslauthd's and 10 /usr/share/doc/postfix/*'s and Pete will give you a backstage pass |
| 16:28.30 | Skiver | any idea how to decompress lzh files ? |
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| 16:28.46 | takatumi_ | Shnufine: the black screen, yes, that's what I think. add vga=791 to your kernel line in grub or lilo |
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| 16:28.51 | Guerin | Skiver: I bet I can find it on google before you |
| 16:29.01 | fcrick | how do i tell what my current runlevel is? |
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| 16:29.14 | simonrvn | runlevel |
| 16:29.18 | Phated | Skiver: Don't bet against Guerin. |
| 16:29.27 | fcrick | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 16:29.32 | SlayerXP | fcrick: you'll be amazed, but try typing 'runlevel' |
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| 16:29.51 | citral | how can I know the date? :D |
| 16:30.03 | greycat | citral: it's today. |
| 16:30.08 | Guerin | oh, found it |
| 16:30.10 | Shnufine | Trevelyan: But I've removed kdm and gdm because I thought they are the error... |
| 16:30.13 | fcrick | i actually tried that, but I guess I need to be root for it to be in my path hehe |
| 16:30.19 | citral | -bash: today: command not found :D |
| 16:30.22 | asg | fcrick: or type /sbin/runlevel |
| 16:30.22 | greycat | fcrick: or change your PATH. |
| 16:30.30 | priest | Guerin: well, i don't think thats the problem, i get "no relay" when the smtp-server is supposed to recive a mail to the virtual domain |
| 16:30.34 | fcrick | right i got it not thanks |
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| 16:30.39 | greycat | !stupid questions |
| 16:30.39 | dpkg | there are no stupid questions, only stupid people |
| 16:30.41 | simonrvn | fcrick: no |
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| 16:31.04 | toresbe | greycat: worst factoid ever |
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| 16:31.57 | Guerin | toresbe: ne'er a truer word spoken |
| 16:31.57 | greycat | toresbe: no, I've seen some *really* bad ones. |
| 16:31.57 | Phated | And if you go through the database... YOU SEE MUCH WORSE. |
| 16:31.58 | NoYaN | debian min. install cd cant see SATA hdd on GA-k8ns motherboard am64 |
| 16:31.58 | greycat | Phated: I'll take your word for it. |
| 16:31.58 | asg | Phated: unless you're blind and then you *FEEL* much worse. |
| 16:31.58 | NoYaN | anyone knows this prob.? |
| 16:32.02 | toresbe | greycat: I've seen quite intelligent people ask questikons that makes youj want to remove your brain and tapdance on it |
| 16:32.05 | toresbe | ' |
| 16:32.08 | Phated | asg: Either way. |
| 16:32.09 | fcrick | should i just be hosing the links in my rc2.d directory, or is there some nice tool to help me manage my runlevels? |
| 16:32.11 | Shnufine | valdyn: I think that apm must cause the error, beacause this is the last thing whats done during bootup and listed in the syslog... |
| 16:32.13 | sussudio | !seen piggies |
| 16:32.14 | dpkg | sussudio: i haven't seen 'piggies' |
| 16:32.23 | greycat | fcrick: rm is much, much easier and nicer than update-rc.d for humans. |
| 16:32.26 | ppp | after a dist-upgrade in my sarge, I'm having a problem with gnome's keyboard shorcuts. After using Alt + F2 to start "start aplication window", when I close the window using "cancel" button, the shortcuts doesn't work. Someone know what is happing? |
| 16:32.28 | Shnufine | citral I blacklisted discover1 also but this also don't work |
| 16:32.28 | Guerin | toresbe: people can be stupid one moment, and intelligent the next. I do it all the time. |
| 16:32.32 | toresbe | I have a bandaid on my funger, so that's where the typos come from |
| 16:32.52 | asg | Guerin: that's the booze talking |
| 16:32.55 | citral | NoYaN: people on google report having it working with 1) BIOS update 2) Turning acpi off |
| 16:32.59 | takatumi | fcrick: try sysvconfig |
| 16:33.04 | greycat | dpkg, no, stupid questions is <reply> Stupid questions deserve stupid answers. |
| 16:33.04 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 16:33.12 | citral | better |
| 16:33.13 | asg | takatumi: did they fix the segfault when you hit the PGUP key yet? |
| 16:33.23 | toresbe | the !qotds should be made into a fortune file :) |
| 16:33.23 | toresbe | greycat: Thankis you :) |
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| 16:33.29 | NoYaN | citral : i have latest bios but how can i turn off acpi? is it in boot options |
| 16:33.36 | Shnufine | citral how could I remove this apm ? |
| 16:33.38 | Guerin | asg: see, you say that... but... oh, wait... |
| 16:33.39 | asg | toresbe: now that's a great idea |
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| 16:33.43 | takatumi | asg: don't have problems here, just tried it. |
| 16:33.45 | citral | Shnufine: I told you |
| 16:33.47 | toresbe | greycat: AKA "ASCII stupid qustion, get a stupid ANSI" |
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| 16:33.57 | simonrvn | toresbe: hehe |
| 16:33.57 | citral | Shnufine: mv /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko /lib/modules/2.6.8-1-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko.old |
| 16:34.00 | asg | toresbe: boo hiss |
| 16:34.17 | Shnufine | citral: hmm ok I told you whats going on then |
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| 16:34.29 | citral | you said, no such module |
| 16:34.39 | citral | so, it's better than crashing |
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| 16:35.26 | Shnufine | citral its crashing and tolds me no such file... or something |
| 16:35.41 | greycat | "or something". |
| 16:35.46 | takatumi | Shnufine: what is crashing? |
| 16:35.47 | greycat | !nosuchdevice |
| 16:35.47 | dpkg | "No such device" means you're trying to access a device which exists in /dev but for which the kernel has no driver available. Try 'modconf', or rebuild your kernel. |
| 16:35.51 | simonrvn | yeh, but then depomod will get run, and apm.ko.old will get modprobed anyway ;) |
| 16:35.55 | simonrvn | depmod* |
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| 16:36.07 | greycat | No such device is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY DIFFERENT from No such file or directory. |
| 16:36.14 | toresbe | "Coulnd not find /biun/bash - no such file or something " |
| 16:36.16 | citral | Shnufine: you are not running a self-compiled kernel, by the way? |
| 16:36.24 | simonrvn | toresbe: heh |
| 16:36.27 | Shnufine | citral no |
| 16:36.35 | greycat | toresbe: "-bash: error: like, I didn't feel like it, man!" |
| 16:36.36 | Guerin | how VERY is that? |
| 16:36.40 | toresbe | simonrvn: Where is that message? |
| 16:36.43 | Shnufine | citral I found in the /etc/modules.conf a line where apm apears |
| 16:36.47 | simonrvn | Guerin: VERY |
| 16:36.53 | Guerin | VERY VERY |
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| 16:37.02 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 16:37.03 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY PENGUINS CRY! |
| 16:37.04 | citral | A VERY WHOLE LOT |
| 16:37.10 | simonrvn | toresbe: hack your system to have it say that, and you can find it ;) |
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| 16:37.21 | Shnufine | citral alias char-major-10-134 apm |
| 16:37.25 | Guerin | A VERY VERY WHOLE VERY LOT |
| 16:37.31 | greycat | mucho |
| 16:37.41 | citral | Shnufine: you can try to put a # before the line |
| 16:37.43 | simonrvn | mucho grande |
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| 16:37.50 | Guerin | see, one 'mucho' takes the place of 7 VERY's |
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| 16:37.53 | citral | Shnufine: and remove packages apm* |
| 16:37.55 | toresbe | editing the error messages to confuse it |
| 16:37.56 | greycat | citral: no, he should not be editing modules.conf directly |
| 16:37.59 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe |
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| 16:38.06 | Guerin | it's all about intonation |
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| 16:38.13 | toresbe | Guerin: or 6.3 "REALLY"'s |
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| 16:38.15 | citral | he "should not", yes |
| 16:38.17 | simonrvn | *MUCH0* |
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| 16:38.25 | Guerin | simonrvn++ |
| 16:38.36 | valdyn | apm.ko fucking up the display seems highly unlike,y doesnt it? |
| 16:38.44 | toresbe | brb, breayrocaracy |
| 16:38.44 | toresbe | beaurocracy* |
| 16:38.44 | simonrvn | valdyn: yeh |
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| 16:38.54 | citral | VERY UNLIKELY |
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| 16:39.05 | simonrvn | bureaucracy |
| 16:39.12 | citral | pathologie |
| 16:39.14 | Phated | Mucho unlikeo? |
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| 16:39.49 | valdyn | Shnufine: those error messages in your log do not indicate anything that could in any way break your system, you want to look for what is done after that, or just try what takatumi suggested |
| 16:39.56 | Guerin | MÜchø pathol0gîcO |
| 16:40.01 | simonrvn | w00t |
| 16:40.09 | simonrvn | @Guerin++ |
| 16:40.28 | Shnufine | valdyn after that is nothing to see in the syslog |
| 16:40.35 | citral | hmmm smells like fish here |
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| 16:41.12 | blal | After including "unix/:7101" (xfstt) in my FontPath, the font for Athena widget apps such as xfontsel and xtightvncviewer uses a garbled, non-alphanumeric font. What's the problem? |
| 16:41.29 | citral | Shnufine: did you remove package apmd? |
| 16:41.43 | ChrysalisM | Shnufine: run X without a window manager then start-kde from the login window and you will probably see what is killing it |
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| 16:41.57 | K9 | hello |
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| 16:42.09 | citral | ChrysalisM: he can't noot mmkay |
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| 16:42.31 | ChrysalisM | citral: what |
| 16:42.38 | citral | *boot |
| 16:42.47 | b0ef | is it possible to extract the manufacturer of the ram memory chips in the system with some tools? |
| 16:42.48 | K9 | if i have to NIC and one is giving me SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy (a realtek one)(and i don't have access to the server to change the NIC's place) as i understand there is a kernel option that fixes this |
| 16:42.54 | K9 | anyone heard of this ? |
| 16:43.00 | K9 | s/to/two sorry |
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| 16:43.56 | ChrysalisM | K9: noapic |
| 16:44.09 | K9 | thanks |
| 16:45.10 | aokaze_ | hello everyone |
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| 16:45.48 | riley | I'd like to compile a kernel module against the kernel that the installer created. I downloaded kernel-headers (i used testing, so it's the same version as my kernel) but I get compile errors that suggest something is wrong when I point the module mke to kernel-headers-2.x... Im pretty sure im doing something wrong here =-) |
| 16:45.49 | citral | b0ef: yeah, with a screwdriver |
| 16:46.00 | cld_ | hello:) i have to change names of files, directories and subdirectories in another directory from capital letters like 'FILENAME' to 'filename'. How can i do that ? |
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| 16:46.14 | b0ef | citral: ;), I'm not at location |
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| 16:46.19 | jm_ | cld_: man rename ; man mmv |
| 16:46.22 | Shnufine | takatumi_: vga=791 looks good... and it works!!!!!! |
| 16:46.28 | Shnufine | takatumi: thanks! |
| 16:46.36 | citral | takatumi++ |
| 16:46.43 | Shnufine | takatumi: I'm very sorry, that I don't belive yo |
| 16:46.49 | takatumi | Shnufine: try 792 as well :) |
| 16:46.59 | NoYaN_ | citral : i turned off acpi and try to install but problem is the asme.no sata hdd an ethernet |
| 16:47.24 | greycat | NoYaN_: so use a different computer or a different OS. |
| 16:47.57 | NoYaN_ | gerycat: :((((( |
| 16:48.20 | greycat | or stick in a REAL nic and a REAL disk. |
| 16:48.24 | NoYaN_ | only debian or gentoo.but all of them have the same problem |
| 16:48.35 | beastmaster | lol |
| 16:48.54 | karmatoburn | debian or gentoo hrum |
| 16:49.10 | citral | even XP would ask you for the drivers on a floppy at install time I guess, so google a bit more NoYaN_ |
| 16:49.20 | Shnufine | takatumi: 792 looks not so cool... What does this 791 do ? |
| 16:49.45 | NoYaN_ | citral: ty gonne search more :) |
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| 16:49.49 | POVaddct | Shnufine: less /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
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| 16:50.01 | citral | oh, an idea, like that, the manufacturer website to begin |
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| 16:51.09 | Skaag | how do i remove all traces of ipv6 from my syste? |
| 16:51.33 | citral | prenvent the ipv6 module to load btw |
| 16:51.50 | Skaag | hm |
| 16:52.01 | Skaag | it says it's in use |
| 16:52.08 | Skaag | i removed all ipv6 records from /etc/hosts |
| 16:52.13 | Skaag | checked in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:52.15 | Skaag | nothing left |
| 16:52.26 | Skaag | but when i do ifdown lo, then ifup lo, I still see an ipv6 line there |
| 16:52.28 | dvs | Skaag: did you restart networking? |
| 16:52.35 | citral | Skaag: why is it disturbing you? |
| 16:52.45 | greycat | what problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 16:53.33 | Skaag | i'm running a tracker and when I connect to that tracker it says the forwarding ip is not a valid ipv4 ip |
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| 16:53.43 | Skaag | but i am binding it to a ipv4 ip, for sure |
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| 16:53.57 | Skaag | dvs: I didn't restart networking - i'm too affraid to do that... it's a remote box |
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| 16:54.10 | dvs | Skaag: oh okay |
| 16:54.35 | NoYaN_ | citral : http://www.e-aiyama.com/~toshi/Computer/Linux/SATA.html |
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| 16:55.47 | neenee | food. |
| 16:56.03 | citral | NoYaN_: well I doubt that will help me in any way but nice :) |
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| 16:56.24 | NoYaN_ | :) |
| 16:56.35 | Skaag | ok that tracker sucks |
| 16:56.36 | simonrvn | Skaag: you have to reboot to remove the ipv6 module |
| 16:56.43 | Skaag | argh that sux |
| 16:56.45 | simonrvn | Skaag: and not have it load in the first place |
| 16:56.51 | Skaag | you'r right |
| 16:57.00 | Skaag | i'll remove it from the modules file |
| 16:57.09 | FabParma | how can i change the default "manpages" language ( i have already downloaded the alternative ones) ? |
| 16:57.32 | Skaag | what other tracker is there for linux that doesn't suck? |
| 16:57.44 | Skaag | (preferably in the debian db) |
| 16:57.52 | valdyn | FabParma: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:58.03 | FabParma | or mybe keep both and invoke the alternative language by a prefix |
| 16:58.10 | xogon | FabParma: actually, dpkg-reconfigure localeconf |
| 16:58.24 | citral | what kind of tracker? bittorrent? connection tracker? satellite tracker? |
| 16:58.36 | citral | badger tracker? |
| 16:58.39 | POVaddct | soundtracker? :) |
| 16:58.51 | FabParma | xogon: thank you |
| 16:58.52 | xogon | and set LANG to whatever locale |
| 16:58.53 | Skaag | simonrvn: I wanna use ipv6 |
| 16:59.20 | FabParma | valdyn: thank you |
| 16:59.23 | Skaag | simonrvn: Who will give me ip addresses? and how will customers access websites that use ipv6? |
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| 16:59.43 | xogon | FabParma: do locales first, make sure you have the locale generated, then localeconf |
| 16:59.45 | citral | ok so it's a badger tracker |
| 17:00.02 | citral | hihihi |
| 17:00.12 | simonrvn | Skaag: um, why are you asking *me* this? if you want to use ipv6, then you do the research |
| 17:00.16 | SmokeyD | is there a standard deb package which supports the gif functions from php4-gd2? |
| 17:00.24 | SmokeyD | I have libgd2 installed with gif support |
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| 17:00.31 | soccos | I have /proc/bus/usb. What else to I need to make my (connected) USB printer available? |
| 17:00.35 | peterS | Skaag: find an ISP that offers IPv6 connectivity. failing that, use a tunnel broker |
| 17:00.41 | SmokeyD | but the debian php packge is built without gif support |
| 17:00.42 | citral | soccos: modprobe usblp |
| 17:00.48 | soccos | citral: done that |
| 17:00.51 | peterS | Skaag: speaking of which, broker.freenet6.net should really be called broken.freenet6.net |
| 17:01.00 | citral | soccos: do you have hotplug? |
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| 17:01.09 | simonrvn | peterS: no, it works fine, the package is borked |
| 17:01.12 | soccos | citral: I think so, how do I test? |
| 17:01.19 | peterS | simonrvn: maybe. I can't ping it. |
| 17:01.19 | citral | soccos: whereis hotplug |
| 17:01.31 | simonrvn | peterS: run the client app from CL, you'll see it works |
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| 17:01.41 | soccos | citral: /sbin/hotplug |
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| 17:01.47 | simonrvn | peterS: i can't either, but they're there |
| 17:02.23 | citral | soccos: so pluging the printer should do everything fine for you. HINT: go in pure console (not X) unplug and plug the printer, see the messages |
| 17:02.27 | peterS | simonrvn: oh, ok. I'll try registering an account with them again, I guess. my last one most likely expired from not using it (since I couldn't get it to work) |
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| 17:03.13 | simonrvn | peterS: with sid's: tspc -vvv -f /etc/tsp/tspc.conf & works as "advertised" # read: well |
| 17:03.27 | simonrvn | peterS: the init script for some reason doesn't work well |
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| 17:03.38 | simonrvn | peterS: oh, s/-vvv// ;) |
| 17:03.39 | peterS | simonrvn: that's pretty odd. are there bugs filed? |
| 17:03.47 | simonrvn | peterS: no =) |
| 17:03.58 | simonrvn | peterS: not TMK anyway |
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| 17:04.10 | soccos | citral: which VT would I expect to see messages on (X is on VT7) |
| 17:04.27 | citral | soccos: any VT you are logged in from 1 to 6 |
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| 17:04.59 | soccos | citral: hmm, i'm not seeing anything when I unplug/plug the printer |
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| 17:05.30 | citral | soccos: do you have other usb devices working? |
| 17:05.45 | soccos | citral: no, this is the first device I've tried |
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| 17:06.24 | citral | soccos: maybe hotplug isn't doing its job correctly then, plug the printer in, turn it on, and run /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
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| 17:07.17 | soccos | citral: done |
| 17:07.24 | citral | still no message? |
| 17:07.30 | soccos | not on any vt, no |
| 17:07.54 | citral | modprobe uhci-hcd |
| 17:08.28 | soccos | citral: it's already loaded |
| 17:08.39 | takatumi | soccos: nothing in syslog either? |
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| 17:09.07 | soccos | takatumi: not that I can see, hotplug told me about a lot of modules that were already loaded |
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| 17:09.28 | citral | soccos: cat /var/log/syslog | grep usb |
| 17:09.38 | FabParma | valdyn: i used "dpkg-reconfigure localeconf" an has worked. but the manpages still in english. it takes effect after reboot? |
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| 17:10.50 | soccos | citral: last log message was successful load of usblp |
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| 17:11.25 | citral | soccos: you are looking for something like input: USB HID printer blah |
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| 17:12.02 | Rot2- | in shell want command i use to donload the xfree86 |
| 17:12.19 | peterS | Rot2-: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 17:13.16 | sirius | hi |
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| 17:13.32 | Rot2- | i cant find the x-windows packag |
| 17:13.40 | binary_dreamer | hi |
| 17:13.44 | aethera | wahts the best place to get sid images? |
| 17:13.54 | laureano | hi |
| 17:13.58 | sussudio | aethera: hell |
| 17:14.13 | takatumi | Rot2-: "window" no "s" |
| 17:14.16 | Rot2- | i cant find the x-windows-system packag |
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| 17:14.18 | aethera | ok that just made me decide not to install debian |
| 17:14.20 | citral | soccos: modprobe ohci-hcd |
| 17:14.28 | drac | Rot2-: x-window-system |
| 17:14.31 | sussudio | aethera: i'm so happy |
| 17:14.36 | binary_dreamer | i am looking for mplayer plugin as a binary for sarge. unfortunately i cannot find any. anybody that could help? please prefix |
| 17:14.46 | greycat | !tell aethera about sid faq |
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| 17:15.18 | ExxonE | hi all! |
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| 17:15.29 | aethera | ah thanks |
| 17:15.39 | soccos | citral: aha, that wasn't loaded |
| 17:15.44 | citral | prefix binary_dreamer: google, second hit |
| 17:16.15 | citral | google is so HARD! let's go eating |
| 17:16.20 | greycat | !be google barbie |
| 17:16.20 | dpkg | I want to find pictures of naked chix0rz on google but I'm having real trouble.... |
| 17:16.29 | greycat | wow, that one really sucks. |
| 17:16.38 | greycat | !factinfo be google barbie |
| 17:16.39 | dpkg | be google barbie -- created by Guerin <~magpie@220.123.169.70> at Thu Dec 9 15:44:31 2004 (35 days); it has been requested once, last by greycat, 18s ago. |
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| 17:16.46 | sussudio | !lose Guerin |
| 17:16.47 | dpkg | Guerin: You Lose. |
| 17:16.48 | valdyn | FabParma: type "locale" to see what your locale is set to in that shell |
| 17:16.53 | ExxonE | i need some help im partitioning my HD but i got some problems... one: i cant find the ext2 type FS that i want and two: i cant switch when i try to switch to extended, plz help |
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| 17:17.26 | peterS | ExxonE: as for (1), the type really doesn't matter, but traditionally you use type 83 |
| 17:17.28 | greycat | d'oh! no, that was Coke. |
| 17:17.34 | soccos | citral: although that's probably a red herring as this is an Intel contoller |
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| 17:18.06 | stew | ExxonE: you want type Linux which is 83, this is partition type not filesystem type |
| 17:18.24 | ExxonE | peterS: thnx, but how come 87? my friend told me that ext2 was "the one" |
| 17:18.55 | peterS | ExxonE: the partition type number is not very important anyway. it is just a label. type 83 ("Linux partition") is the usual one to use |
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| 17:19.06 | ExxonE | stew: ah, but whats the differens? |
| 17:19.10 | stew | ExxonE: and btw you should probably be using ext3 not ext2 |
| 17:19.22 | peterS | ExxonE: after creating your partition you will still have to create a *filesystem* on the partition. when you do that, with mkfs.ext2, you'll get your filesystem |
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| 17:19.33 | tsk | how come debian 3.0_r4 comes with 2.2.20-idepci kernel? |
| 17:19.34 | neenee | back |
| 17:19.44 | ExxonE | peterS: thnx |
| 17:19.49 | greycat | tsk: because you hit Enter without Reading The Instructions |
| 17:19.51 | ExxonE | stew: thnx |
| 17:19.52 | dvs | tsk: because it's old |
| 17:20.04 | peterS | tsk: because debian 3.0_* does not change the supported packages at all except for essential fixes |
| 17:20.13 | stew | ExxonE: partition is how you split the disk in to big chunks, filesystem is the way you allocate files on the partition |
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| 17:21.04 | ExxonE | stew: ah, smart... thnx |
| 17:21.05 | Rot2- | no |
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| 17:22.05 | ExxonE | stew: whats the diferens between primary and logical? |
| 17:22.23 | simonrvn | 7 letters |
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| 17:22.40 | ExxonE | stew: i should take primary right? |
| 17:22.51 | stew | ExxonE: doesn't matter for linux partitions |
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| 17:23.08 | ExxonE | stew: huh? how come? |
| 17:23.33 | stew | ExxonE: its smarter than windows? i dunno. it just doesn't. why would it? |
| 17:23.41 | orospakr | Betty_21f == spammer |
| 17:23.44 | peterS | ExxonE: the difference between primary and logical is just an artifact of the MS-DOS format of partition tables |
| 17:23.59 | ExxonE | stew: what about other systems... im gonna have dual, how about my NTFS partition? |
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| 17:24.08 | peterS | ExxonE: as a practical matter, you can have a maximum of 4 primary partitions on one disk. if you need more than 4 partitions, some of them will have to be logical ones. |
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| 17:24.23 | Spec | that's a pretty logical statement. |
| 17:24.26 | stew | orospakr: she's not spamming here, if you have a complaint about her you should speak to #freenode |
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| 17:24.31 | peterS | ExxonE: you can't boot any version of Windows from a logical partition, I think. so that one has to be primary. |
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| 17:24.34 | greycat | FUCK that FUCKING ISP. |
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| 17:24.45 | greycat | I am SO TIRED of them being nothing but spambots. |
| 17:24.47 | Linoleum | hey what is the option for mount : noatime |
| 17:24.59 | Spec | ttnet.net.tr? |
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| 17:25.01 | ExxonE | stew: okey, thnx |
| 17:25.03 | FabParma | valdyn: i get this output :LANG=en_US |
| 17:25.03 | greycat | Spec: yes. |
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| 17:25.12 | Spec | their website is nice |
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| 17:25.15 | peterS | Linoleum: noatime is a mount option, yes. what's your question? |
| 17:25.45 | stew | ExxonE: in fact windows may require to be the very first partition, but i'm not sure |
| 17:25.55 | binary_dreamer | i am looking for mplayer plugin as a binary for sarge. unfortunately i cannot find any. anybody that could help? please prefix |
| 17:25.57 | valdyn | FabParma: and you want a different one i assume, you can set that manually in each shell or log out completely and restart your X / display manager / whatever you are using |
| 17:26.15 | takatumi | stew: the map command in grub apparently takes care of that. (haven't tried though) |
| 17:26.37 | valdyn | FabParma: per shell: export LC_ALL=fo_FO or whatever you want |
| 17:26.37 | Linoleum | my problem is that I try to install grub with LVM , so I made a boot partition in ext3 , then all the rest of system in reiserfs with LVM2 but it stop at 33% so maybe I need to mount something with noatime option |
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| 17:26.46 | tsk | which is the "default" kernel when installing debian? |
| 17:26.54 | greycat | tsk: who cares? use the one you WANT. |
| 17:26.57 | Spec | 2.4.18-bf2.4? |
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| 17:27.37 | valdyn | FabParma: just make sure that the shell you start X from has locales set as you want |
| 17:27.46 | tsk | ah okay, typical, i can seem to upgrade from 2.2.20-idepci to 2.6.10 now :< |
| 17:27.48 | dvs | tsk: Which Debian? Sarge or woody? |
| 17:27.50 | bowman | is it recommendable to use Testing on a production system, or would it be better (primarily security-wise) to use Stable? |
| 17:27.54 | greycat | tsk: no, you can't. |
| 17:28.02 | FabParma | valdyn: basically i wuold like to leave english as default language, but the manpages in italian. do you thin its too complicate? |
| 17:28.07 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 17:28.07 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:28.07 | Spec | tsk: you should really just build your own kernel so it has all the warm and fuzzy customizations you want |
| 17:28.10 | tsk | dvs: woody |
| 17:28.11 | peterS | bowman: I would recommend testing. security support, in practice if not in theory, is just as good as with stable |
| 17:28.28 | dvs | tsk: If you want 2.6.10, you need to upgrade to sarge. |
| 17:28.28 | bbhill | Testing is leet |
| 17:28.34 | stew | Spec: what kind of advice is that? |
| 17:28.38 | tsk | havent figured out how to build it before installation tho ;( |
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| 17:28.43 | greycat | stew: it's potato/woody advice :/ |
| 17:28.46 | simonrvn | FabParma: alias 'man' to 'LC_ALL=italian_locale man' or something |
| 17:28.46 | Delph | tsk: so install, then rebuild. |
| 17:28.51 | takatumi | .10 has hit sarge? |
| 17:28.51 | Spec | :) |
| 17:28.55 | bowman | peterS: thanks for the opinion :-) |
| 17:28.58 | purplerhino | noob ?: How do I re-run the setup program that gets run from an apt-get install? I apt-get installed em8300, it ran a nice setup, but i kinda fudged it, figuring i could do it again later, but i can't figure out how |
| 17:29.04 | Spec | I use stable at my work, none of this fancy shmancy testing :p |
| 17:29.13 | tsk | whats the difference between woody and sarge , satable / unstable ? |
| 17:29.14 | souza10 | Is there someone could help me with apt-get's lists? I've copied my /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb to one cd and when I try to get apt-cdrom add in another computer it asks me for a list. Please, how can I make this list? I don't want to install it manually and don't have Internet link to make it, so the only think that I need is make apt-cdrom add function. |
| 17:29.18 | ExxonE | stew: in the partitioning what is the windows-thing called? |
| 17:29.39 | peterS | ExxonE: "windows-thing"? what thing are you talking about? |
| 17:29.39 | Spec | windows-thing? |
| 17:29.41 | sirius | I have strange problems with kde and some kde programs (the don't start). I have discribed the whole problem here: http://nopaste.php-q.net/107999 |
| 17:29.44 | Spec | !wtf |
| 17:29.44 | valdyn | FabParma: i think best way to do that might be "LC_ALL=fo_FO man whatever" or set an appropriate alias |
| 17:29.44 | dpkg | What the fuck is wtf, or apt-get install bsdgames ; /usr/games/wtf is wtf |
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| 17:29.53 | stew | ExxonE: you said ntfs, didn't you? i think its called "ntfs" |
| 17:30.12 | peterS | ExxonE: NTFS is type 07, if I remember correctly |
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| 17:30.38 | purplerhino | nevermind! |
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| 17:30.41 | FabParma | valdyn: with "manpath" i get 3 different directory. do you know which one is to set? |
| 17:30.42 | ExxonE | peterS: to be able to pick a linux FS later on you chose linux in the partitioning, what should you chose for windows? |
| 17:30.54 | Spec | you can leave it blank, ExxonE |
| 17:30.58 | Spec | and let windows partition it later |
| 17:30.58 | dvs | tsk: testing will be the next stable |
| 17:31.06 | peterS | ExxonE: install Windows first. it'll do its own partitioning. *then* install Debian |
| 17:31.13 | Spec | but i suggest installing windows first, because it's easier to deal with the MBR crap then |
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| 17:31.33 | takatumi | or just don't. |
| 17:31.33 | valdyn | FabParma: no idea, i wouldnt change that |
| 17:32.07 | simonrvn | FabParma: that's MANPATH. don't change it |
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| 17:32.17 | simonrvn | FabParma: scroll up to what i said |
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| 17:32.32 | FabParma | simonrvn: i have a look |
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| 17:33.15 | valdyn | FabParma: aliasing is easy, like "alias man='LC_ALL=de_DE man'" |
| 17:33.31 | souza10 | kl |
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| 17:33.36 | tsk | dvs: whats the difrence between woody and sarge? ;/ |
| 17:33.37 | greycat | mn |
| 17:33.42 | dvs | tsk: testing will be the next stable |
| 17:33.45 | greycat | tsk: 3+ years |
| 17:34.06 | Shnufine | Hello. Anybody knows a professional image tool like norton ghost freeware under linux ? |
| 17:34.11 | peterS | tsk: as greycat said, 3+ years of development. sarge has, basically, got newer versions of stuff |
| 17:34.25 | neenee | shnufine: there is no norton ghost freeware |
| 17:34.45 | Spec | ....yes there is? |
| 17:34.56 | Spec | http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:34.56 | Shnufine | I think a programm LIKE norton ghost... |
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| 17:34.58 | souza10 | Does anybody know where could'I get this info? |
| 17:34.59 | tsk | okay |
| 17:35.15 | Spec | Shnufine: the link above might be good for you |
| 17:35.19 | neenee | clonezilla is not norton ghost |
| 17:35.22 | greycat | dare we ask what info you mean? |
| 17:35.26 | Spec | no, it's not, it's like norton ghost |
| 17:35.39 | caphuso | souza10: dpkg-scanpackages should be able to create the necessary stuff |
| 17:35.40 | Spec | Shnufine: if it's not what you want, you might want to look up the mondo/mindi project |
| 17:35.49 | FabParma | simonrvn: i cant find your messages |
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| 17:36.19 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 17:36.27 | hudson2 | I'm trying to apt-get build-dep python2.2-extclass but it's failing with "phython2.1-dev has broken dep on python2.1" - but I also need and have python2.2 installed. Now how should I proceed, try ignoring the dependency? |
| 17:37.14 | FabParma | simonrvn: valdyn: now i stop the session. ill get a coffee :-) thank you very much |
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| 17:37.26 | jdhutchin1 | hudson2, install python2.1 ? |
| 17:37.45 | hudson2 | won't that conflict with the 2.2 install? |
| 17:37.59 | jdhutchin1 | hudson2, no, there are separate packages for each python version |
| 17:38.05 | hudson2 | ok thx! |
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| 17:38.43 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 17:40.56 | jethro | WARNING! In the considerations of safety, you should NEVER let a male dolphin attempt anal sex with you. The Bottle-nose dolphin member is around 12 inches, very muscular, and the thrusting and the force of ejaculation (A male can come as far as 14 feet) would cause serious internal injuries, resulting in peritonitus and possible death. Unless you are the masochistic type, you will have a hard time explaining your predicament to the doctors in the emergency |
| 17:41.13 | Linoleum | my problem is that I try to install grub with LVM , so I made a boot partition in ext3 , then all the rest of system in reiserfs with LVM2 but it stop at 33% so maybe I need to mount something with noatime option |
| 17:41.46 | citral | jethro: you experienced it, heain? |
| 17:42.10 | stew | dont look at him |
| 17:42.12 | sussudio | nvz: ignore the jethrotroll |
| 17:42.17 | nvz | hah |
| 17:42.21 | nvz | jethrotroll |
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| 17:42.28 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 17:42.36 | thomas_adam | And he really is Thick as a Brick. |
| 17:42.39 | greycat | jethro: cross-species mating is not on topic here. |
| 17:43.06 | stew | what about mating my hd install of knoppix with xandros? |
| 17:43.15 | digerati | apt-get install cross-species-mating |
| 17:43.18 | thomas_adam | stew: That's called Ubuntu, isn't it? |
| 17:43.23 | stew | oh, right |
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| 17:44.01 | simonrvn | jethro: go play in the traffic |
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| 17:44.11 | soccos | anyone else have ideas as to why hotplug does notice when I connect my printer? |
| 17:44.15 | soccos | (usb) |
| 17:44.19 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: We have a saying here: "Go play on the M5" |
| 17:44.37 | valdyn | soccos: because the kernel notifies it |
| 17:44.42 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: yup, similar idea ;) |
| 17:44.47 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: M5 being one of the many busy motorways (freeways to you?) we have here. |
| 17:44.58 | soccos | valdyn: huh? |
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| 17:45.10 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: though locally you could say "go play on the metropolitain" |
| 17:45.16 | jethro | sorry I didn't mean to paste that in here since I know most of you aren't into sex anyway |
| 17:45.23 | souza10 | caphusg: I don't have this bin file. Are you sure that can help me? isn'it part of the apt package? How can'I have it? |
| 17:45.27 | FieldySnuts | @lart euroslang |
| 17:45.29 | x_or | Can anyone tell me how to install libz? |
| 17:45.31 | simonrvn | jethro: consider yourself /ignored |
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| 17:45.34 | caphuso | souza10: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:45.37 | jethro | simonrvn: no pb |
| 17:45.37 | greycat | !FAQ x_or |
| 17:45.38 | dpkg | x_or: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 17:45.41 | Trevelyan | google not helping and #kde don't know... my kde keeps freezing esspecially at start up, it stops at initialising services, a bt later ksplash goes away (w/o proceeding from init services) it sits there for 5 mins, b4 desktop comes, then kicker all of which take are slow to respond |
| 17:45.44 | FieldySnuts | er simonm |
| 17:45.45 | valdyn | soccos: i have no idea what there would be hard to understand in my statement above |
| 17:45.50 | FieldySnuts | ... fuck it. not y ou simonm . |
| 17:45.54 | simonrvn | s/simonm/simonrvn/ |
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| 17:46.06 | soccos | valdyn: you mean the kernel isn't notifying hotplug? |
| 17:46.20 | nvz | in the US (and apperently Canadia?) they actually charge you to drive on the roads, like the George W. Bush Turnpike. |
| 17:46.34 | valdyn | soccos: i dont, maybe your questions has a typo |
| 17:46.40 | greycat | nvz: some roads. |
| 17:46.43 | jdhutchin1 | nvz, that's just a few roads, |
| 17:46.44 | FieldySnuts | very, very few roads |
| 17:46.53 | greycat | FieldySnuts: many roads in FL and NY |
| 17:46.58 | FieldySnuts | and it's usually worth it, as they're in top notch condition |
| 17:47.02 | nvz | essentially its all the roads, the tax payers pay when you dont |
| 17:47.05 | FieldySnuts | at least around this part of the country |
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| 17:47.20 | simonrvn | nvz: not so much anymore. late 70s to mid-80s they had toll ways |
| 17:47.24 | soccos | valdyn: everything looks set up correctly so that hotplug *should* notice when I connect the printer, but it doesn't |
| 17:47.32 | simonrvn | they're pretty much all gone now |
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| 17:47.37 | jdhutchin1 | soccos, does it notice other usb devices? |
| 17:48.03 | nvz | GWB takes you around all the 635 traffic around Dallas for a small fee |
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| 17:48.34 | nvz | I never been on it, I dont think the onramp up here is finished yet |
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| 17:49.34 | soccos | jdhutchin1: i have a pen drive I could connect, should it see that? |
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| 17:49.56 | valdyn | soccos: sure |
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| 17:50.10 | mirak | why doesn't the ISP permit the blind carbon copy ? |
| 17:50.17 | greycat | you are confused. |
| 17:50.18 | mirak | why does the ISP permit the blind carbon copy ? |
| 17:50.19 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 17:50.27 | greycat | now you are still confused. |
| 17:50.35 | soccos | valdyn: I'd see output in /var/log/messages it saw it? |
| 17:50.44 | mirak | I am sick of the spam |
| 17:50.56 | FieldySnuts | it's not the isp or mta's concern |
| 17:51.00 | FieldySnuts | (bcc) |
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| 17:51.26 | mirak | I just don't see why I should reveive mail that are not adressed to me |
| 17:51.29 | valdyn | soccos: yes |
| 17:51.34 | FieldySnuts | @clue mirak |
| 17:51.38 | soccos | valdyn: I didn't |
| 17:51.42 | greycat | mirak: does it matter whose name is on it? |
| 17:51.48 | greycat | mirak: it's still spam regardless. |
| 17:52.04 | valdyn | soccos: does lsusb show anything? |
| 17:52.05 | mirak | greycat: that would cut off a great part |
| 17:52.13 | mirak | :) |
| 17:52.26 | soccos | valdyn: only the 4 controllers |
| 17:52.32 | nvz | mirak: me either ;) thats just the way it happens, I got spam addressed to hark25@charter.net the other day, my email didnt appear in the header anywhere |
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| 17:52.36 | greycat | and if you want the simplest, most naive answer to that question: it's because mailing lists would break if you rejected everything "To: blah list <blah@blahhost.com>" |
| 17:53.01 | FieldySnuts | "spam" is a social issue not a technology issue. |
| 17:53.06 | greycat | nvz: I bet it appeared in "Delivered-to:" if you use an MTA that adds that :) |
| 17:53.15 | greycat | FieldySnuts: it's both. |
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| 17:53.28 | mirak | greycat: mailing list just have to send to the good adress for each subscribing person |
| 17:53.35 | valdyn | soccos: lsmod | grep hcd |
| 17:53.36 | greycat | mirak: but they *don't*. |
| 17:53.38 | Shadur | FieldySnuts: Technology makes it possible. Society makes it desirable. |
| 17:53.40 | FieldySnuts | i strongly disagree, but i'm too hungry to care bbl |
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| 17:53.50 | nvz | greycat: well it was charter's webmail, and I enabled full-headers I didnt see it anywhere. I dont understand email, and just try not to use it, because its aggrivating |
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| 17:54.06 | greycat | nvz: ok, not all MTAs add Delivered-To: or similar. |
| 17:54.14 | mirak | greycat: yes, and there is some guys that don't stop to send spam as well |
| 17:54.18 | soccos | valdyn: uhci_hcd is loaded (they're Intel controllers) |
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| 17:54.36 | greycat | mirak: there's no simple answer. if there were, we would've done it already. |
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| 17:54.49 | valdyn | soccos: uname -r |
| 17:54.50 | caphuso | mirak: and disabling bcc wouldn't stop them from doing it |
| 17:55.00 | hooya | anyone have any thoughts on 'heartbeat' vs. 'ucarp'? |
| 17:55.15 | souza10 | MSG caphusg sorry, it didn't worked |
| 17:55.20 | nvz | I like to entertain the illusion that I dont have to struggle constantly in life with the same things time and time again. Email has a way with making this illusion dissapear |
| 17:55.23 | soccos | valdyn: 2.6.8 |
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| 17:55.39 | caphuso | mirak: maybe for a couple of days, until they upgrade their software, but after that period you'd have removed functionality for no reason whatsoever |
| 17:55.47 | hooya | nvz: 'use your illusion' ;) |
| 17:56.05 | valdyn | soccos: so thats your custom compiled kernel as it looks? are the drivers for your usb devices even compiled? |
| 17:56.13 | mirak | caphuso: yes, but disabling bcc would cost them more bandwith |
| 17:56.23 | mirak | ISP provide mutlicasting to spammer with this |
| 17:56.33 | rilat | How is made a swap filesystem (i. e. mkfs.ext3 for a fs type ext3)? |
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| 17:56.39 | souza10 | MSG caphuso sorry, it didn't worked |
| 17:56.44 | toaps | I originally installed the Nvidia drivers using sh 'NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6629-pkg1.run' and they worked very well. I thought i'd have a go at installing them the debian way using apt-get and now i can no longer load the nvidia module. dmesg returns nvidia: Unknown symbol __VMALLOC_RESERVE. Could someone possibly point me in the right direction? |
| 17:56.51 | greycat | rilat: mkswap, swapon |
| 17:56.53 | hooya | rilat mkswap |
| 17:56.57 | souza10 | caphuso: sorry, it didn't worked |
| 17:56.58 | caphuso | souza10: pay it more money? |
| 17:57.03 | rilat | greycat thx |
| 17:57.09 | soccos | valdyn: usblp is |
| 17:57.18 | rilat | hooya to u too |
| 17:57.25 | hooya | np |
| 17:57.41 | soccos | valdyn: which driver do you think I'd need for a cruzer mini pen drive? |
| 17:57.44 | nvz | toaps: yeah either run the binary again and make it clean all its feces out of the system and do it the debian way(tm) or go fetch the docs from nvidia that you should have gotten along with that binary, and good luck |
| 17:57.48 | souza10 | caphuso: money? sorry I'm new here. where and how? |
| 17:57.54 | caphuso | urgh |
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| 17:58.10 | jdhutchin1 | soccos, usb mass storage should be built as a module; you don't need any other drivers |
| 17:58.11 | hooya | toaps: 'module-assistant auto-install nvidia' |
| 17:58.11 | nvz | toaps: its wildly unimaginable what could be wrong, and its off topic here. |
| 17:58.18 | valdyn | soccos: usb-storage.ko |
| 17:58.18 | caphuso | !tell souza10 -about didn't work |
| 17:58.21 | toaps | nvz: ok. thank you. |
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| 17:59.04 | sirius | I have a problem with kde programs like k3b. when I try to start it, I get only the message "QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used", but nothing happens. do you know how to solve this problem? |
| 17:59.10 | hooya | toaps, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
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| 17:59.16 | nvz | toaps: honestly I use em when they just work (tm) but you have to realize how crude an sloppy they are. you upgrade a kernel or anything and it breaks your system |
| 17:59.40 | soccos | valdyn: that wasn't loaded, but i thought hotplug took care of that |
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| 18:00.05 | bigio | hi all |
| 18:00.05 | soccos | valdyn: anyway, i loaded it manually and lsusb still only lists the controllers |
| 18:00.09 | ItalianFlex | hi |
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| 18:00.29 | valdyn | soccos: hotplug cannot take care of it directly, the kernel needs to notify hotplug, if that feature isnt compiled into your kernel then hotplug wont do anything afaik |
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| 18:00.46 | zimnyx | how can i make mouse cursor move faster when emulating mouse with keyboard by pressing shft-numlock ? |
| 18:00.52 | bigio | anyone can tell me the difference between bluetooth modules in kernel 2.6 and Bluez modules ? |
| 18:01.08 | soccos | valdyn: what notifies hotplug of connect/disconnect events? |
| 18:01.19 | POVaddct | valdyn: but attached usb devices should appear in /proc/bus/usb/devices anyway |
| 18:01.23 | nvz | zimnyx: tried modifiers like Ctrl, Shift, etc... ? |
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| 18:01.47 | xenwryly | good day all, is there a good way to get unstable ISOs |
| 18:01.48 | xenwryly | ? |
| 18:01.49 | bigio | are the same thing ?? |
| 18:01.59 | valdyn | POVaddct: even if the appropriate module isnt loaded? i dont know |
| 18:02.07 | nvz | zimnyx: mine goes pretty damn fast and modifiers dont seem to change it |
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| 18:02.15 | hooya | anyone tried 'heartbeat' and/or ucarp? i'm trying to build two machines that are almost identical and would like transparent failover for a bunch of services. heartbeat or ucarp. thought i'd go with ucarp but drbd docs seem to prefer heartbeat. i'm sure i can use ucarp but thought? |
| 18:02.22 | hooya | s/thought/thoughts/ |
| 18:02.36 | POVaddct | valdyn: yes, even if no specific module (like usb-storage) is loadede |
| 18:02.36 | nvz | zimnyx: maybe you just need to use xset to adjust the cursor speed *shrug* |
| 18:02.41 | valdyn | soccos: i would recommend you try this with a debian kernel first |
| 18:02.46 | toaps | hooya: good stuff. thanks |
| 18:02.54 | hooya | toaps, np. |
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| 18:03.31 | soccos | valdyn: well I have the original 2.4.X (sarge) kernel I can still boot, should I try that? |
| 18:03.41 | POVaddct | soccos: if you don't see an attached usb device in /proc/bus/usb/devices right after plugging it, you should check dmesg output |
| 18:03.44 | ItalianFlex | I had to make an applet that it can write into /tmp, I find to do .java.policy file , but I receive the same error to read in /tmp,Why ? |
| 18:03.53 | valdyn | soccos: try a 2.6.x image |
| 18:03.56 | takatumi | soccos: what are you trying now? the pen drive? |
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| 18:04.14 | valdyn | soccos: 2.4.x might work or not, no idea at all about usb w/ 2.4 |
| 18:04.17 | soccos | takatumi: pen drive and printer |
| 18:04.20 | nite613 | how do I get a list of file locks (flock(LOCK_EX)) owned by a process? |
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| 18:04.38 | nite613 | lsof shows a one byte read lock for every open file, but that's not what I need |
| 18:04.39 | priest | do bind use any more ports than 53? |
| 18:04.41 | takatumi | soccos: for the pen drive try sd_mod |
| 18:05.07 | soccos | POVaddct: what am I looking for in dmsg? |
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| 18:05.42 | POVaddct | soccos: something like "urb timeout" or "usb device not accepting new address X" |
| 18:05.53 | nite613 | I found /proc/locks, is there something that will dump that in a more readable format? |
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| 18:06.12 | hooya | any drbd or heartbeat or ucarp users? |
| 18:06.51 | soccos | POVaddct: not seeing anything like that |
| 18:06.52 | POVaddct | soccos: btw, it's called dmesg, not dmsg |
| 18:06.53 | nvz | hooya: any specific questions or comments or context relating to what the hell you are trying to ask |
| 18:06.56 | nvz | ? |
| 18:07.02 | soccos | POVaddct: typo |
| 18:07.32 | hooya | nvz. plenty. read my previous questions. |
| 18:07.34 | jhaig | I have installed munin (see http://www.linpro.no/projects/munin/). It needs a script to run at regular intervals and so I have added lines such as "0 * * * * munin /opt/munin/bin/munin-cron" to /etc/crontab. If I su to user munin and run /opt/munin/bin/munin-cron the script runs correctly but it doesn't appear to do anything when run via cron, although /var/log/syslog shows that a process has started. Can anyone help please? |
| 18:07.55 | simonrvn | hooya: tried their web site yet? read the stuff in /usr/share/doc/heartbeat? |
| 18:08.03 | jethro | jhaig: man cron man crontab |
| 18:08.04 | POVaddct | soccos: hmm, then you might try the default debian 2.4 kernel |
| 18:08.36 | nvz | hooya: seems to me like you are looking for a review, with compare and contrast. we arent journalists you know. |
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| 18:09.27 | morbias | I'm having trouble installing my isa opl-sa3 ~.~ |
| 18:09.33 | morbias | from isapnp |
| 18:09.39 | morbias | but when i do: ./configure --with-cards=opl3-sa3 --with-sequencer=yes;make;make install |
| 18:09.43 | morbias | make all-deps |
| 18:09.47 | morbias | err |
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| 18:10.01 | morbias | i get: checking for which soundcards to compile driver for... configure: error: Unknown soundcard opl3-sa3 |
| 18:10.04 | morbias | make all-deps |
| 18:10.05 | hooya | simonrvn, not that particular doc but i've been reading about ucarp (at it's site) and heartbeat at the HA site. what i wanted to know and can't find out is do any of them do MAC takeover? or are both at the IP level? |
| 18:10.07 | morbias | Any ideas? |
| 18:10.17 | jethro | morbias: read INSTALL and README ? |
| 18:10.41 | simonrvn | hooya: i don't know. this is why you need to read |
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| 18:10.52 | hooya | simonrvn, and should i start trusting my filesystem to drbd? |
| 18:11.21 | valdyn | morbias: youre guessing your -with-cards= ? that hardly will work.. |
| 18:11.29 | soccos | POVaddct: ok, i'll be back!... |
| 18:11.30 | Abnix | woot, my dedicated server host finally agreed to let me have gentoo on their rig instead of debian...so I no longer have need of this channel. Been fun! Loads! I swear it! |
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| 18:11.57 | hooya | simonrvn, i've been reading for the last 24 hours. figured a users perspective would help me out a lot. :( |
| 18:11.59 | bbhill | HAHAHAHA |
| 18:12.01 | bbhill | that made my day. |
| 18:12.49 | peterS | bbhill: don't do that |
| 18:12.56 | bbhill | peterS keystroke accident. |
| 18:12.58 | bbhill | My apologies. |
| 18:13.07 | bbhill | im using a new irc client, not used to it. |
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| 18:15.21 | POVaddct | bbhill: which one? |
| 18:15.26 | bbhill | ircii |
| 18:15.44 | bbhill | got sick of xchat. |
| 18:15.46 | Munnu | Hanikka!!1 |
| 18:15.47 | POVaddct | bbhill: i'll stick to irssi |
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| 18:15.54 | Munnu | oops. |
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| 18:16.00 | Munnu | wrong window. |
| 18:16.13 | bbhill | ircii with the purepak script looks nice and minimalized, but effective. the way i like it. |
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| 18:16.25 | bbhill | very easy on the eye. |
| 18:16.41 | trygvebw | Congratulations with a thumb-down in Ars-Technica's 2004 Look back. ;) |
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| 18:16.58 | Beelzebub | apt sql? |
| 18:16.59 | apt | i heard sql is handy for somethings but I think it might be overkill for PIM data. |
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| 18:17.12 | Beelzebub | apt database? |
| 18:17.13 | apt | methinks database is An ordered set of data. |
| 18:17.19 | Koffa | apt sex? |
| 18:17.20 | apt | I'm not sure |
| 18:17.21 | caphuso | Beelzebub: /msg |
| 18:17.45 | Beelzebub | anyone know the link to the latest apt sql? |
| 18:18.17 | caphuso | Beelzebub: the factoid database and stuff? /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 18:18.27 | bbhill | irssi isnt included in Debians packages is it? I'm using testing and apt-get irssi gives me nothing. |
| 18:18.36 | kenzo | hi - i updated glibc yesterday (sec. update) and now neither cron nor logcheck send mails anymore - may glibc be the problem?? |
| 18:18.37 | bbhill | apt-get install i should say. |
| 18:18.41 | caphuso | bbhill: apt-cache --names-only search irssi |
| 18:18.41 | nvz | bbhill: irssi-text or irssi-gtk |
| 18:18.45 | Beelzebub | thanks |
| 18:18.46 | Koffa | irssi-text |
| 18:18.54 | Koffa | it has 0.8.9 available |
| 18:18.59 | caphuso | what, irssi-gtk is still included? |
| 18:19.00 | Koffa | .10 is still rc |
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| 18:19.09 | bbhill | thanks guys |
| 18:19.14 | nvz | !info irssi-gtk |
| 18:19.18 | Koffa | caphuso: nope |
| 18:19.25 | bbhill | !info irssi-gtk |
| 18:19.26 | nvz | guess not |
| 18:19.26 | POVaddct | bbhill: i recommend irssi-text |
| 18:19.36 | bbhill | Yeah, irssi-text is the classic one, blue by default right? |
| 18:19.36 | caphuso | *sighofrelief* |
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| 18:19.50 | Koffa | two blue bars by default, yes |
| 18:19.54 | Koffa | easily fixed :) |
| 18:20.07 | caphuso | by a "/toggle colors", for example ;) |
| 18:20.11 | POVaddct | hehe |
| 18:20.28 | Koffa | urf |
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| 18:20.42 | Koffa | I've gotten rid of bg-colors in local irssi's |
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| 18:20.55 | morbias | valdyn: Ash.. seems it was 'oplsa2' not opl-sa3 ~.~ |
| 18:20.56 | Koffa | also everything white has been taken out :) |
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| 18:21.28 | POVaddct | after using irssi for eight months or so, i can't imagine using a irc client that does not run in screen(1) |
| 18:21.32 | morbias | jethro: Thanks for the readme trolling, It helpled like a hole in the head. |
| 18:21.39 | nvz | this damn house is annoying, the front is always like a 20 degree difference. its pushing over 90degF in here, and out there it feels to be dropping below 68DegF |
| 18:21.45 | valdyn | !win morbias |
| 18:21.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, morbias! You have won a one way ticket to Cuba! |
| 18:22.53 | HeZiX | hi everybody |
| 18:22.53 | simonrvn | hooya: /msg chanserv list *heartbeat* |
| 18:23.17 | hooya | will try |
| 18:23.20 | hooya | thanks |
| 18:23.25 | Koffa | hmm... still no fixed icewm available :/ |
| 18:23.30 | HeZiX | I have a problem since i have upgraded LILO :/ |
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| 18:23.46 | Koffa | had to downgrade from 1.2.18 to 1.2.17 to get window-moving/resizing fixed |
| 18:23.51 | bbhill | Yeah you guys are right irssi is better. |
| 18:23.58 | bbhill | brb |
| 18:24.10 | hooya | simonrvn, "heartbeatstation" prolly not what i'm looking for :( |
| 18:24.13 | Koffa | one more soul save from evil :) |
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| 18:24.22 | Koffa | saved even |
| 18:24.28 | HeZiX | LILO 22.6 loading linuxEBDA is big : kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage |
| 18:24.31 | POVaddct | Koffa: *grin* |
| 18:24.37 | hooya | anyhoo, i'll setup a test rig and try it out.. |
| 18:24.38 | HeZiX | someone can help me ? |
| 18:24.48 | Koffa | anyone using icewm? |
| 18:24.49 | ExxonE | could anyone help me enterprit NTLDRs missing? |
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| 18:24.56 | liten | how do i fix network in debian.. i have enabled "samba" so i can find other computers on the network and download stuff from them... but now i want to share one folder but i dont understand... ? |
| 18:25.00 | wntd | could someone explain the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 18:25.01 | Koffa | is there .19 or fixed .18 available anywhere? |
| 18:25.08 | jethro | morbias: you obviously missed the part where it lists the available cards |
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| 18:25.21 | nvz | ExxonE: its a winders error telling you the bootloader code is gone |
| 18:25.38 | Linoleum | shouyld I mount /boot with notail option to lauch linux with grub with LVM system? |
| 18:25.51 | ExxonE | nvz: hum doesnt sound very good... how do i fix it? |
| 18:26.10 | nvz | ExxonE: boot with a winders cd or floppy and type 'fixmbr' to put ntldr back, will probably erase any linux loader that is on the MBR |
| 18:26.18 | HeZiX | :( |
| 18:26.27 | liten | how do i share folders on the network? |
| 18:26.48 | POVaddct | bbhill: use alt-<number> or esc-<number> to switch between irssi screens |
| 18:27.04 | bbhill | POVaddct: like 1 2 3 or like f1 f2 f3? |
| 18:27.08 | Koffa | 123 |
| 18:27.11 | bbhill | thanks |
| 18:27.11 | POVaddct | bbhill: 1 2 3 |
| 18:27.12 | Koffa | qwe |
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| 18:27.15 | Koffa | etc |
| 18:27.16 | Koffa | :) |
| 18:27.17 | nvz | liten: you specify your shares in the samba config file, man samba.conf |
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| 18:27.25 | liten | k thx |
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| 18:28.02 | bbhill | Wow this client actually has tab completion!! So exciting |
| 18:28.09 | nvz | pfft |
| 18:28.10 | POVaddct | bbhill: of course :) |
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| 18:29.00 | liten | nvz how should i write in terminal . have tested " nano samba.conf " and " nano man samba.conf |
| 18:29.07 | Koffa | bbhill: you'll know it's every feature in a year or two |
| 18:29.09 | greycat | my god. |
| 18:29.19 | nvz | liten: man smb.conf |
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| 18:29.36 | greycat | liten: open two windows. In the first, "man smb.conf". In the second, "nano -w /etc/samba/smb.conf" |
| 18:29.37 | Koffa | then you can start using/writing scripts and never give it up :) |
| 18:29.39 | bbhill | Koffa: had used it before, just assumed it wasnt included when I installed Debian and did ircii. |
| 18:29.46 | Koffa | :o |
| 18:29.51 | bbhill | didnt think to check for irssi-text . |
| 18:30.01 | Koffa | that's why you have search :) |
| 18:30.05 | bbhill | <-- n00b |
| 18:30.08 | liten | nvz and greycat thx will look now |
| 18:30.08 | greycat | !info irssi sid |
| 18:30.15 | greycat | !info irssi-text sid |
| 18:30.17 | nvz | greycat: yee haw, go get 'em cowboy =P |
| 18:30.18 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 832 kB, Installed size: 2516 kB |
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| 18:30.32 | Koffa | !info irssi-scripts sid |
| 18:30.35 | dpkg | irssi-scripts: (collection of scripts for irssi), section net, is optional. Version: 20041221 (sid), Packaged size: 618 kB, Installed size: 3340 kB |
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| 18:30.42 | Koffa | quite a few :D |
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| 18:30.55 | pder | how to chat online? |
| 18:30.56 | Koffa | scripts.irssi.org if you don't want twdt |
| 18:30.58 | greycat | bigger than the client itself :) |
| 18:31.00 | bbhill | One more question then ill shut up for a while - TO open another server, is /server sufficient or is there a flag? |
| 18:31.06 | greycat | pder: you just did. |
| 18:31.08 | caphuso | bbhill: /connect |
| 18:31.11 | POVaddct | pder: you are already chatting |
| 18:31.12 | Koffa | bbhill: /server changes servers |
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| 18:31.20 | pder | greycat: thanks |
| 18:31.31 | bbhill | Like to open 2 servers. |
| 18:31.35 | POVaddct | bbhill: /server +servername (note the +) |
| 18:31.38 | greycat | bbhill: /connect (twice) |
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| 18:31.56 | soccos | POVaddct: well my 2.4 kernel found the pen drive fine |
| 18:32.04 | Koffa | bbhill: /help server and /help channel |
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| 18:32.11 | bbhill | ok. All set. Thanks guys |
| 18:32.14 | Koffa | bbhill: you can add the servers and automate the connections |
| 18:32.20 | POVaddct | soccos: so your self-compiled 2.6 kernel is missing something |
| 18:32.23 | Koffa | bbhill: it can also automate joins |
| 18:32.37 | soccos | POVaddct: yeah, I'm trying to work out what |
| 18:32.50 | Koffa | bbhill: so when you start your irssi you'll have the 30000 of your favourite chans in 30 networks open at once :) |
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| 18:32.58 | soccos | POVaddct: I saw usb-uhci in 2.4 which I don't have in 2.6 |
| 18:33.06 | greycat | Koffa: "and all of them will still suck!" |
| 18:33.07 | bbhill | What happens when you run out of numbers? |
| 18:33.12 | POVaddct | soccos: that module was renamed in 2.6 |
| 18:33.15 | takatumi | soccos: could be this CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD |
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| 18:33.22 | greycat | bbhill: then you use ^N or ^X or /j #channel |
| 18:33.32 | POVaddct | soccos: usb-uhci is called uhci-hcd in 2.6 |
| 18:33.42 | soccos | takatumi: nah, I think it's lower level than that |
| 18:34.10 | POVaddct | soccos: same goes for usb-ohci |
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| 18:34.53 | zimnyx | nvz: modifiers doesnt seem to change cursor speed |
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| 18:35.22 | soccos | POVaddct: hmm, i wonder what it is then. i have ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd loaded |
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| 18:35.42 | POVaddct | soccos: and the controller is uhci for sure? |
| 18:36.11 | kenzo | sry, again: could someone help me debugging why my cron/logcheck (debian woody) don't send any mail? |
| 18:36.21 | soccos | POVaddct: USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI |
| 18:36.27 | POVaddct | soccos: okay |
| 18:36.54 | takatumi | soccos: is sd_mod loaded? |
| 18:37.22 | Koffa | greycat: well that's something irssi can't help with :) |
| 18:37.29 | POVaddct | takatumi: in 2.6, the usb device doesn't even appear on the bus |
| 18:37.32 | Koffa | bbhill: when you run out of numbers use q,w,e.. |
| 18:37.34 | peterS | soccos: install 'usbutils' and see if 'lsusb' knows about your drive |
| 18:37.38 | greycat | Koffa: well, a bit. Every time someone drops bitchx, the world improves. |
| 18:37.41 | soccos | takatumi: no, but until I can actually see the device I don't think that's relevant |
| 18:37.47 | Koffa | bbhill: dunno if those work with alt, but that doesn't matter since you can use esc :) |
| 18:37.48 | takatumi | POVaddct: ah |
| 18:37.58 | malex | anyone here running dnscache? It stopped working for me today. I run shorewall firewall and I can see hundreds of UNREPLIED queries from it to various servers. bummer. |
| 18:38.10 | Koffa | but now maxwell smart -> |
| 18:38.12 | greycat | malex: what did you change today? |
| 18:38.13 | soccos | peterS: it doesn't, it just lists the controllers |
| 18:38.17 | bbhill | Koffa: Cool, im going to make mine look like a warez downloaders IRC client. |
| 18:38.24 | bbhill | neon green bars |
| 18:38.28 | peterS | soccos: that's pretty odd, then. you've got both uhci_hcd and ehci_hcd loaded, you said? |
| 18:38.47 | POVaddct | soccos: look at the dmesg output now. this is how the kernel reports a new usb device plugged in |
| 18:39.15 | peterS | POVaddct: it's not reporting it. 'lsusb' would have noticed. |
| 18:39.18 | malex | greycat: I added several new ACCEPT rules for the shorewall, nothing more, yet. |
| 18:39.25 | soccos | peterS: y |
| 18:39.40 | greycat | malex: you know that DNS uses UDP 53, right? and that dnscache only listens on the interfaces you tell it to? |
| 18:39.56 | peterS | greycat: UDP 53 and occasionally TCP 53 |
| 18:40.16 | greycat | right |
| 18:40.46 | POVaddct | peterS: i meant the dmesg output from kernel 2.4 (where it is working) |
| 18:40.48 | malex | greycat: Yes, I have UDP 53 open from firewall to the world and from local network to the firewall |
| 18:41.17 | POVaddct | soccos: did you already reboot into 2.6? |
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| 18:42.43 | soccos | POVaddct: yeah, i'd have had to fiddle with network i/fs otherwise |
| 18:43.01 | POVaddct | soccos: ah okay |
| 18:45.19 | takatumi | soccos: which 2.6.? if you need to diff .configs let me know, I could upload mine, printer and usb stick works fine. |
| 18:46.05 | malex | greycat: I set up dnscache to listen on 192.168.1.1, which is the eth1 interface and added 127.0.0.1 and 192 to the /etc/dnscache/root/ip. I see the weird "readproctitle service errors: ........................" line in the ps aux output, though. |
| 18:46.17 | soccos | takatumi: 2.6.8 |
| 18:46.28 | greycat | malex: that's normal. |
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| 18:46.57 | greycat | malex: you might also check the logs (wherever /service/dnscache/log/run says to write them to) |
| 18:46.58 | malex | greycat: svstat shows that it's running: /service/dnscache: up (pid 29146) 303 seconds |
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| 18:47.14 | takatumi | soccos: http://gpoppy.org/config-2.6.8vin0810 |
| 18:47.36 | Knight_Lord | Hi i'm trying to install an alpha for the first time. The problem is that i can't get the machine go to the SRM prompt. Instead it boots from it's hard drive. How can access the SRM to be able to boot from the cdrom? |
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| 18:48.00 | soccos | takatumi: thx, i'll see what that turns up |
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| 18:49.04 | malex | greycat: I still get hundreds of "udp 17 10 src=myip dst=198.32.64.12 sport=17154 dport=53 [UNREPLIED] src=198.32.64.12 dst=myip sport=53 dport=17154 mark=0 use=1 |
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| 18:49.13 | malex | greycat: in shorewall logs |
| 18:50.04 | greycat | malex: again, I have to wonder what changed today that made it stop working... |
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| 18:50.20 | greycat | malex: if you didn't touch dnscache, I'd expect it to be a firewall issue |
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| 18:53.34 | malex | greycat: I have "from FW to net udp/tcp 53" open and local to FW udp/tcp 53 open in the firewall. The default policy is reject everything from local network and to allow anything from FW to net. |
| 18:54.08 | kenzo | am i right thinking that a line like "[pid 18848] write(4, "From: root (Cron Daemon)\nTo: roo"..., 208) = 208" should tell me cron is trying to send mail? |
| 18:54.37 | greycat | it tells you that you're running strace, and that PID 18848 invoked the write(2) syscall, and sent 208 bytes of data. |
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| 18:54.47 | Anthro | Does CD/DVD burning work over firewire? |
| 18:55.00 | greycat | if PID 18848 is indeed cron, then I'd say it's likely that cron is sending some e-mail out. |
| 18:55.04 | TCW | Anthro, why sould it not? |
| 18:55.11 | debd00d | how do you get javaVM working? what packages do i need? |
| 18:55.18 | greycat | debd00d: /msg dpkg java |
| 18:55.26 | kenzo | greycat: thats the problem - there is no mail - everything began after sec.-update yesterday ... |
| 18:55.36 | sami_ | nice channel.. what is the diffrance between NONUS and "regualar" |
| 18:55.43 | greycat | kenzo: then check your MTA's logs to see what happened to it. |
| 18:55.48 | greycat | sami_: /msg dpkg nonus |
| 18:56.16 | Anthro | TCW: well, the main reason is that I believe firewire devices are emulated SCSI, though I may be mistaken. I know that ide-scsi is sketchy. My understanding is vague, however. |
| 18:56.23 | TCW | greycat, do you have some shortcuts for those sentences? ;) |
| 18:56.35 | sami_ | greycat: thx.. |
| 18:56.47 | sami_ | one more question isnt there any miniinstall like freebsd's |
| 18:56.54 | debd00d | greycat: thank you |
| 18:57.03 | greycat | sami_: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 18:57.13 | greycat | TCW: those *are* the shortcuts. |
| 18:57.27 | kenzo | greycat: there's no attempt to connect via smtp |
| 18:57.28 | TCW | Anthro, I see no reason at all why burning over firewire should not wark in general... if your hardware does work with linux, then burning should be no Problem... "should" ;) |
| 18:57.35 | greycat | kenzo: of course not. it's local mail. |
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| 18:57.59 | TCW | greycat, so... you're probably a faster keyboardjockey than me... ;) |
| 18:58.13 | Anthro | TCW: Well, I suppose I'll try it. I'm going to buy an external FW/USB2 enclosure and put an IDE DVD burner in it. |
| 18:58.31 | Anthro | TCW: It burns fine using dev=ATA on the IDE bus. |
| 18:58.32 | kenzo | greycat: sorry, but could you explain further? sth. like "cat bla | sendmail ..."? that works for every user and cron is running as root |
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| 18:59.01 | TCW | Anthro, you know google? :) |
| 18:59.04 | greycat | kenzo: what's the "..." part? is it root, or is it some other address? |
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| 18:59.17 | greycat | kenzo: which MTA, and where did you tell it to send root's mail? |
| 19:00.02 | jcole | !tell me about wireless |
| 19:00.14 | Anthro | TCW: Yeah, yeah. But I don't see much that is both recent and relevant. |
| 19:00.18 | kenzo | greycat: its qmail and it's working for 2 years now, there are aliases for root, simply root is okay, root@domain is the same / but i didn't change anything about qmail/cron, thats what makes me cry ... ;) |
| 19:00.43 | TCW | Anthro, so... if it is ok for you... try it :) |
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| 19:01.05 | Anthro | TCW: Yeah, I will. I was just curious if anyone had actually done it. |
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| 19:02.51 | malex | greycat: Ethereal shows quite a few faild queries from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.1 Is dnscache querying itself? |
| 19:02.51 | greycat | kenzo: check your logs. |
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| 19:03.06 | greycat | malex: uh... ask #djbdns |
| 19:03.12 | kenzo | greycat: i'm doing that the last two hours ... |
| 19:03.17 | greycat | I only know the very basics. |
| 19:03.18 | TCW | Anthro, I had once an extern usb2-burner in my hands, plugged it in my linux-laptop, tried to config it... and whooosh... someone "stole" the drive :) So 5 more minutes and I could have been telling now, how that works with usb ;) |
| 19:03.33 | greycat | kenzo: echo to: root | /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject |
| 19:03.42 | greycat | kenzo: then tail the qmail(-send) log |
| 19:04.05 | Anthro | TCW: Someone stole it as you were configuring it? Were you on the subway or something? |
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| 19:04.17 | TCW | Anthro, it was not mine? ;) |
| 19:04.31 | Anthro | TCW: Ah, so stole it back. |
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| 19:05.11 | TCW | Anthro, I'd not say that I stole it in the first place... it was just "there" and I was "there", so we both were "there"... ;) |
| 19:05.35 | kenzo | greycat: already tested that, works |
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| 19:05.43 | greycat | kenzo: ls -ld /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 19:05.54 | Anthro | TCW: And the rightful owner realized the "thereness" of the situation and did something about it. Got it. |
| 19:06.09 | TCW | Anthro, somehow... yes ;) |
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| 19:07.59 | kenzo | greycat: is a symlink to qmail-inject (also checked that) |
| 19:08.18 | kenzo | greycat: /usr/sbin/sendmail -> /var/qmail/bin/qmail-inject |
| 19:08.21 | TCW | kenzo, in short... what is the problem? |
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| 19:08.24 | greycat | kenzo: aha!! It should be a symlink to /var/qmail/bin/sendmail |
| 19:08.31 | greycat | no wonder it fails. |
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| 19:08.49 | TCW | kenzo, forget my question ;) |
| 19:08.59 | greycat | TCW: the problem is he's asking in #debian instead of #qmail ;-) |
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| 19:09.14 | greycat | fortunately, there is at least a small amount of overlap |
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| 19:09.30 | HeZiX | hi, i have this error when i boot "LILO 22.6 loading linuxEBDA is big : kernel setup stack overlaps LILO second stage" I can't boot correctly, can someone help me ? |
| 19:09.33 | caphuso | a greycat small one |
| 19:10.16 | resiak | Weren't caphuso the first two words there the wrong way round? |
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| 19:10.27 | Nagytalp | re |
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| 19:10.31 | TCW | greycat, me personally... I try to avoid such religious sights of software... qmail is an mta like others (even I don't like qmail) but, in this case you may be absolutely right :) |
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| 19:10.41 | TCW | <- /me smoking... bbl |
| 19:10.41 | kenzo | greycat: sorry - now i remember i should really have made some "virtual qmail package" - exim was updated yesterday, and it was also updated here ... sorry for bothering, i'm stupid! |
| 19:10.43 | meanmachine | anyone can help with openoffice and cups promblems |
| 19:10.51 | caphuso | resiak: nope |
| 19:11.09 | greycat | qmail and Debian don't really mix from a philosophical point of view, according to some people, so it tends to lead to small flame wars |
| 19:11.24 | greycat | kenzo: it's in our FAQ, too. |
| 19:11.37 | kenzo | greycat: double sorry ... |
| 19:11.37 | Anthro | !tell meanmachine about anyone |
| 19:11.40 | resiak | Fair caphuso enough. |
| 19:12.32 | greycat | !yoda |
| 19:12.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, yoda is my translation sounding like, yes? hmmm! |
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| 19:13.21 | Nagytalp | the mcvert can convert a macOS file to unix or just binary? |
| 19:13.46 | Nagytalp | :) |
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| 19:14.14 | simonrvn | what? |
| 19:14.29 | Nagytalp | im not a native english speaker:) |
| 19:14.31 | meanmachine | I just installed Hp colorLaserJet Im using cups it prints fine from other programs but oop crashes at start I went to openoffice.conf and uncommented export SAL_DISABLE |
| 19:14.31 | meanmachine | _CUPS 1 |
| 19:14.44 | greycat | macOS to Unix: tr \\r \\n |
| 19:14.50 | Nagytalp | i wanna converting a file from mac to unix |
| 19:15.00 | Nagytalp | possible? |
| 19:15.10 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:15.16 | Nagytalp | how? |
| 19:15.19 | meanmachine | but still dont printing although it doesnt crash now |
| 19:15.24 | simonrvn | !recode |
| 19:15.35 | simonrvn | !info recode |
| 19:15.40 | dpkg | recode: (Character set conversion utility), section text, is optional. Version: 3.6-10 (sid), Packaged size: 174 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 19:15.42 | greycat | !info READ WHAT GREYCAT SAID |
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| 19:16.00 | simonrvn | !info /me saw it |
| 19:16.09 | Nagytalp | thanx |
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| 19:17.22 | simonrvn | no, we sure won't |
| 19:17.31 | simonrvn | Nagytalp: don't /msg me |
| 19:17.36 | Nagytalp | ok |
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| 19:21.14 | dobby_ | Is there a possibility to mount smb shares when login in to X-window and after logout to unmount the smbshares by a script that is executed at the beginning of X and the end?? |
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| 19:21.57 | tony_ | hello |
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| 19:22.36 | neenee | hi |
| 19:22.47 | tony_ | I have a lexmark X83 usb printer. SANE is not detecting it... |
| 19:23.39 | simonrvn | dobby_: likely |
| 19:23.45 | felixdz | lsusb detects the usb ports |
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| 19:24.00 | resiak | tony_: linuxprinting.org -- is it supported? |
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| 19:24.33 | Anthro | tony_: SANE detects scanners. Is that one of those multifunction beasts with a scanner? |
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| 19:25.10 | liam | I can't mount my digicam, can anyone help? |
| 19:25.17 | abrotman | felixdz: devices .. not ports |
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| 19:25.33 | jdhutchin1 | liam, is it usb? if it is, does lsub show it? |
| 19:25.42 | Anthro | !tell liam about specific |
| 19:25.49 | Xjill | What is a good Direct Connect console-client for debian? |
| 19:25.54 | liam | mount: /dev/sda is not a valid block device |
| 19:26.03 | simonrvn | !vagueness |
| 19:26.03 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
| 19:26.03 | liam | lusb, don't seem to have that command |
| 19:26.07 | Anthro | Xjill: apt-cache search direct connect |
| 19:26.15 | Anthro | liam: lsusb |
| 19:26.22 | felixdz | lsusb shows the ports but not the device |
| 19:26.24 | directhex | liam, /dev/sda1 |
| 19:26.55 | sussudio | !start a badger war |
| 19:26.55 | dpkg | mushrooms are better than badgers |
| 19:27.09 | greycat | I wouldn't eat either. |
| 19:27.14 | liam | Ok, well there is 3 dev's in list from lsusb, which is correct, webcam, digicam and printer. |
| 19:27.18 | Xjill | Anthro: I've found several clients, just wondered if anyone had a preference.. |
| 19:27.30 | liam | It pops up in the syslog when I plug it in too. |
| 19:27.31 | simonrvn | i'd eat the mushrooms |
| 19:27.32 | Anthro | Xjill: most people prefer not to use dc, actually. |
| 19:27.42 | Xjill | Anthro: That helps really much... |
| 19:28.03 | Anthro | Xjill: Sorry, it's true. That's why no one has any better information for you. |
| 19:28.13 | neenee | heh |
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| 19:28.27 | liam | Hold on, no I don't think it is in lsusb list. |
| 19:28.27 | neenee | xjill: well, i used various clients, and i liked dc-gtk-gui best. |
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| 19:28.33 | greycat | isn't that one of the networks that requires you to share like 20 gigabytes before you get to download? |
| 19:28.41 | neenee | greycat: it depends on the hub |
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| 19:29.03 | Xjill | neenee: k, but I'm looking for a console client, you know any good? |
| 19:29.12 | neenee | something can be said about peer to peer where sharing is obligatory instead of just leeching. |
| 19:29.18 | abrotman | greycat: we're going to package you |
| 19:29.23 | neenee | xjill: there is one i know of which has a gui, sortof |
| 19:29.24 | directhex | greycat, 20gb was about 3 years ago. closer to 500gb these days |
| 19:29.28 | liam | Anthro, jdhutchin1 no, I don't think its listed in lsusb. |
| 19:29.35 | firefly2442 | is there anything more bleeding edge than Debian Sarge AMD64? |
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| 19:29.45 | resiak | greycat: Alongside abrotman, to be fair. |
| 19:29.49 | sussudio | firefly2442: me stabbing you? |
| 19:29.51 | simonrvn | firefly2442: yeh, a knife |
| 19:29.57 | firefly2442 | lol |
| 19:30.00 | Anthro | firefly2442: there' |
| 19:30.01 | directhex | cd /usr/src/greycat-0.2.7 && dh_make && dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 19:30.02 | directhex | done |
| 19:30.03 | adjacent | im looking at man syslog.conf. it specifies an action field for where to log. is there a way to go beyond this and trigger an event? such as a reboot, or inetd restart when a specific message appears in syslog? |
| 19:30.03 | Xjill | neenee: And that is ? |
| 19:30.03 | neenee | xjill: hmm.. i am not sure about the name. might be ldcc |
| 19:30.04 | Anthro | firefly2442: there's always HURD |
| 19:30.08 | Xjill | k |
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| 19:30.16 | felixdz | abrotman what did you mean by devices not ports? |
| 19:30.19 | ferret | sussudio: is 'badger war' one of yours? |
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| 19:30.26 | neenee | xjill: that's a linux dc client |
| 19:30.27 | abrotman | felixdz: lsusb lists devices .. not ports |
| 19:30.27 | greycat | I'm already on version 0.2.7? cool. |
| 19:30.30 | Xjill | neenee: Found it on... |
| 19:30.36 | firefly2442 | Ubuntu recognized my new motherboard NIC but Debian Sarge AMD64 couldn't.... |
| 19:30.38 | abrotman | dpkg -l abrotman |
| 19:30.38 | dpkg | ii abrotman 1.8-5.1 abrotman's private stamp collection |
| 19:30.39 | liam | But the camera is definately listed in the syslog when I plug it in. |
| 19:30.40 | mrtn | hello! anyone knows what is wrong with alioth.debian.org ? |
| 19:30.51 | neenee | xjill: google :) |
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| 19:30.53 | Xjill | neenee: Well of course, what else would I be looking for? |
| 19:30.56 | neenee | xjill: google is your friend |
| 19:30.58 | directhex | greycat, we'll announce a sudden change to 1.0.0 arbitrarily |
| 19:31.00 | simonrvn | dpkg -l greycat |
| 19:31.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching greycat |
| 19:31.04 | Xjill | neenee: Yeah, I've found it |
| 19:31.07 | neenee | oki |
| 19:31.07 | Xjill | on google |
| 19:31.08 | directhex | firefly2442, which kernel was ubuntu using? |
| 19:31.10 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 19:31.14 | liam | kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 5 |
| 19:31.15 | Xjill | ftw? |
| 19:31.15 | greycat | dpkg: you bastard! |
| 19:31.15 | dpkg | no idea, greycat |
| 19:31.22 | firefly2442 | 2.6.18 I think |
| 19:31.28 | liam | kernel: Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi4, channel 0, id 0, lun 0, type 0 |
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| 19:31.30 | simonrvn | dpkg -l greycat |
| 19:31.30 | liam | etc etc |
| 19:31.31 | dpkg | ii greycat 1.7-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:31.33 | sussudio | ferret: ofcourse. |
| 19:31.39 | simonrvn | there ya go |
| 19:31.44 | directhex | firefly2442, seing as 2.6.10 is the most current, i doubt it |
| 19:31.45 | dan2 | asg: ping |
| 19:31.49 | debd00d | is there a debian guide for sound? |
| 19:31.54 | ludi | trying to setup a network SMB printer with gnome-cups-manager...can't print test page |
| 19:31.58 | firefly2442 | did they modify it? |
| 19:32.00 | simonrvn | !faqsmite debd00d |
| 19:32.00 | greycat | debd00d: /msg dpkg sound |
| 19:32.01 | dpkg | debd00d: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 19:32.11 | debd00d | thank you agian |
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| 19:32.39 | firefly2442 | what's the console command to find kernel version? |
| 19:32.47 | chris | uname -r |
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| 19:33.19 | liam | directhex, 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' doesn't show anything :( |
| 19:33.25 | sussudio | !factstats author |
| 19:33.26 | firefly2442 | 2.6.8.1-4 |
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| 19:33.35 | dobby_ | simonrvn: what do you mean with likely? |
| 19:33.43 | greycat | that's no debian kernel. |
| 19:33.47 | directhex | liam, does your camera definitely recognise the camera? |
| 19:33.47 | dpkg | factoid statistics by author: (15 shown; 85 total): 817 by greycat ;; 522 by xk ;; 382 by sussudio ;; 273 by hoxu ;; 251 by dondelelcaro ;; 222 by localhost ;; 190 by cafuego ;; 186 by bob2 ;; 184 by guerin ;; 176 by ricky_clarkson ;; 163 by mentor ;; 117 by asuffield ;; 111 by g4lt ;; 109 by karsten, solitude ;; 101 by caphuso. |
| 19:34.06 | simonrvn | dobby_: you asked a yes/no question. you got a yes/no/maybe answer |
| 19:34.12 | liam | directhex, 'kernel: Vendor: CAMERA Model: DC3305 1.00 Rev: 1.00' |
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| 19:34.19 | firefly2442 | hmmm |
| 19:34.22 | ferret | sussudio: How many of those 382 are joke-factoids? |
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| 19:34.47 | dobby_ | simonrvn: ok ;-) so could you tell me what choices do i have? |
| 19:34.48 | sussudio | there were more. |
| 19:34.49 | directhex | liam, and recognised as a usb mass storage device? |
| 19:34.51 | greycat | probably a fair number |
| 19:34.59 | directhex | !dachs ferret |
| 19:35.00 | dpkg | ferret: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 19:35.02 | sussudio | !listauth sussudio |
| 19:35.02 | liam | directhex, 'kernel: USB Mass Storage device found at 5' |
| 19:35.02 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'sussudio' (15 shown; 382 total): hegesmack ;; phil collins ;; penixmep #DEL# ;; gael ;; rahul summon ;; CMD: euro2dollar (.*?) ;; CMD: bunnicula (.*?) ;; walk ;; CMD: nickmeter (.*?) ;; CMD: hurd (.*?) ;; bob2smack #DEL# ;; walk #DEL# ;; roxsmack ;; sgeigersmack ;; botarouse. |
| 19:35.15 | abrotman | !hurd sussudio |
| 19:35.22 | fat | anyone having trouble compiling 2.6.10 with support for m-audio audiophile 2496? |
| 19:35.29 | abrotman | #kernel |
| 19:35.33 | greycat | fat: you, I would guess. |
| 19:35.33 | fat | thanks |
| 19:35.35 | felixdz | I am starting to think that the lexmark x83 is no linux freindly |
| 19:35.39 | simonrvn | in soviet russia, joke factoids ate you |
| 19:35.44 | firefly2442 | lol |
| 19:35.46 | fat | greycat, nice guess |
| 19:35.48 | sussudio | felixdz: lexmark is incompatible with life |
| 19:35.58 | ludi | do I need cupsys-client to print to a network SMB printer |
| 19:36.12 | greycat | ludi: there are many ways, so "no" |
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| 19:36.21 | liam | directhex, but I'm not sure what this line does - 'scsi.agent[1560]: disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0...... |
| 19:36.23 | greycat | but if you're running CUPS, you probably want it. |
| 19:36.43 | ludi | greycat: I just want to print to a SMB network printer |
| 19:36.49 | liam | directhex, Comes right after it detects the mass storage device. |
| 19:36.49 | directhex | liam, sounds like udev/hal/gnome stuff to me |
| 19:37.00 | simonrvn | liam: something registered to /sys (sysfs) |
| 19:37.24 | felixdz | They do have a linux developers kit but I reckon that will be a bit advanced for me:( |
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| 19:37.53 | ricardo_ | HIIIIIIIIIIII |
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| 19:38.03 | greycat | your I key is stuck. |
| 19:38.11 | simonrvn | l /sys/bus/scsi/devices/0:0:0:0 |
| 19:38.12 | simonrvn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2005-01-13 19:37 /sys/bus/scsi/devices/0:0:0:0 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0e.0/0000:01:04.0/host0/target0:0:0/0:0:0:0 |
| 19:38.21 | simonrvn | e.g. |
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| 19:38.46 | liam | Ah |
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| 19:39.31 | liam | cat /sys/bus/scsi/devices/4\:0\:0\:0/state => running |
| 19:39.43 | firefly2442 | what Mode mean in IRC? |
| 19:40.03 | Delph | www.mirc.com and click "irc help" |
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| 19:40.10 | simonrvn | if it's in /sys, it's likely it's already detected |
| 19:40.17 | simonrvn | Delph: go away |
| 19:40.18 | liam | How can I find what scsi disk it 'should' be? |
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| 19:40.43 | paulswm | !nickometer paulswm |
| 19:40.43 | dpkg | 'paulswm' is 0.000% lame, paulswm |
| 19:40.51 | simonrvn | Delph: go have fun at /server disco |
| 19:40.53 | Delph | simonrvn: what? Its a sensible suggestion, i know that mirc.com has a help-for-beginners section. |
| 19:40.57 | Koffa | that thing still lives :) |
| 19:41.15 | Delph | unless you want to go answer firefly2442's question? |
| 19:42.15 | Delph | firefly2442: "Intro to IRC" and "IRC FAQ" are the ones you want. |
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| 19:42.29 | firefly2442 | ok, checking it out now |
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| 19:43.05 | Trev1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:43.53 | liam | If I only have 1 scsi device attached, shouldn't it be attached to /dev/sda or do I need to tell it to attach?! I'm confused :( |
| 19:44.15 | greycat | liam: the traditional way is to use 'dmesg' to figure out what name the kernel gave it, then use that name. |
| 19:44.17 | Trev1 | / |
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| 19:44.55 | liam | such as 'disk at /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/host4/4:0:0:0'??? |
| 19:44.57 | Danar | i have a problem with X. when it starts my monitor gives a 'sync out of range' error message. i tried reconfiguring X via dpkg-reconfigure, but it doesn't help. i even tried conservative ranges |
| 19:45.15 | ferret | Delph: Ack, how did you know my weakness? |
| 19:45.21 | liam | greycat, so can I just mount that?! |
| 19:45.21 | Anthro | liam: I'm a big fan of using scsidev, myself. apt-get install scsitools and read the man page. Also look into scsiinfo, which is in the same package. |
| 19:45.33 | itom | hi all, I've a site and i've installed Zope with debian that hear at port 9673 but outside the lan I can't access to server (with public ip) |
| 19:45.40 | Danar | i'm using knoppix right now, and it's using H:30-85, V: 50-160. i tried using 30-75 & 50-60, but no go |
| 19:45.49 | greycat | liam: Stop. Using. Devfs. And. Udev. |
| 19:45.54 | greycat | There. Now isn't that better? |
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| 19:46.05 | liam | Anthro, I'm not sure if I'm a fan, I probably just turned something on by accident :( |
| 19:46.10 | DerJamster | itom: Then check if there is a firewall at the LAN gateway. |
| 19:46.22 | liam | greycat, Eh? erm, what have I done!? :o |
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| 19:46.32 | Danar | any suggestions? |
| 19:46.47 | directhex | !magic hate ball |
| 19:46.49 | itom | DerJamster, how I can check it? |
| 19:46.52 | Anthro | liam: If you don't know what it is, you aren't using it. The scsitools package has some convenient tools for identifying and making aliases to SCSI (or equivalent) devices. |
| 19:46.53 | directhex | hm >8\/ |
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| 19:47.16 | DerJamster | itom: ...you don't know if there is a firewall installed at your LAN gateway? |
| 19:47.20 | directhex | liam, which desktop environment do you use? |
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| 19:47.34 | Danar | anyone? |
| 19:47.35 | rend | anyone heard of a 120 baud modem? someone is claiming that they used one of these in 1994. |
| 19:47.38 | takatumi | Danar: #knoppix |
| 19:47.42 | Anthro | Danar: You could try taknig the XF86Config that Knoppix generates and copy it to your disk and use it. |
| 19:47.45 | DerJamster | itom: what is the layout of your network? is the linux box directly connected to the 'net? Is it using a router? Or another box? |
| 19:47.46 | paulswm | Danar: /topic |
| 19:47.52 | Danar | takatumi, uh, i use debian |
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| 19:47.57 | itom | DerJamster, yes there are a Firewall |
| 19:48.00 | Anthro | rend: Perhaps 1200. |
| 19:48.09 | rend | Anthro: right, thats what I'm trying to tell him... |
| 19:48.11 | paulswm | Danar: well OK then :) |
| 19:48.13 | liam | directhex, I'm using gnome, if thats relevant? I thought I had a kernel->device config problem? |
| 19:48.19 | rend | oh and he doesn't remember who makes it :) |
| 19:48.22 | directhex | liam, dpkg -l udev |
| 19:48.24 | DerJamster | itom: See? :) Make it forward port 9673 to the ip of your linux box. |
| 19:48.35 | Anthro | rend: Though even that is pretty slow for 1994. I had an old and crusty 14.4k in 1994. |
| 19:48.39 | Danar | that's an idea |
| 19:48.45 | itom | DerJamster, sorry I forgot that there are a "bridge-firewall" the ip of linuxbox is public |
| 19:48.48 | liam | directhex, 'un udev' |
| 19:49.08 | rend | 300 baud was with acoustic coupler in the 70s... |
| 19:49.09 | Danar | what's that md5 thingy again? (for xfree86config) |
| 19:49.11 | DerJamster | itom: type iptables -L |
| 19:49.13 | DerJamster | any entries? |
| 19:49.16 | paulswm | rend: yes |
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| 19:49.30 | directhex | Danar, head -n 20 /etc/X11/Xf86Config-4 |
| 19:49.30 | rend | now why would you have a slower than 300 baud over a decade later? |
| 19:49.31 | Anthro | rend: Back in the day (1983, maybe) I used a 300 baud modem on an Apple ][+ but it wasn't with an acoustic coupler. |
| 19:49.36 | liam | directhex, its not installed. |
| 19:49.39 | toubsu | anyone use any good hardware/software inventorying of windows boxes for linux? |
| 19:49.55 | paulswm | rend: ? |
| 19:49.56 | rend | you may as well used morse code instead of your modem if it was slower than 300 baud :) |
| 19:50.03 | itom | DerJamster, are empty |
| 19:50.11 | Danar | directhex, er, you sure? it was something like md5sum blah > blah |
| 19:50.19 | liam | greycat, I'm not using udev, as far as I can tell?! |
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| 19:50.29 | Anthro | rend: It isn't nearly as bad as you think. |
| 19:50.31 | liam | Anthro, I'll look at scsitools now then... |
| 19:50.33 | x_or | Can someone assist me with X11 dev libraries? I think I have them installed properly, but I get errors like X11/cursorfont.h missing when I compile other apps. |
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| 19:50.38 | McCabe | hello |
| 19:50.45 | itom | DerJamster, I can past in private the result? |
| 19:50.48 | paulswm | rend: sorry, mistype |
| 19:50.49 | DerJamster | sure |
| 19:50.49 | Anthro | liam: you *are* using udev or devfs. You may not mean to be, but you *are*. |
| 19:50.50 | Danar | cause it checks the md5 to see if it's changed, so you gotta fix the md5 |
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| 19:50.55 | directhex | Danar, yes. as stated at the top of the config file |
| 19:50.58 | Fullmoon | Hello Guys |
| 19:51.04 | cat | Fullmoon: hello |
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| 19:51.08 | Danar | ok, so that command will fix it? |
| 19:51.10 | liam | Anthro, how can I tell, and stop! :o |
| 19:51.14 | Fullmoon | Please, answer me, does "Fruits Bowl" sounds funny or wrong? (I am not good at english) |
| 19:51.19 | greycat | liam: to be honest, that level of damage... err, I mean, "advanced functionality", looks more like devfs. Which by the way is officially deprecated and Should Not Be Used, Ever. |
| 19:51.28 | d0ugie | greycat: re |
| 19:51.28 | Danar | Fullmoon, yeah. 'fruit bowl' |
| 19:51.29 | directhex | Danar, the command at the top of /etc/X11/XF86config-4 |
| 19:51.34 | Fullmoon | Damn! |
| 19:51.35 | Anthro | liam: what kernel are you using? |
| 19:51.36 | simonrvn | Delph: sorry |
| 19:51.41 | rend | thanks for the comments guys :) |
| 19:51.44 | liam | Anthro, 2.6.9 |
| 19:51.45 | Fullmoon | Just bevore ten minutes i registered "fruitsbowl.com" :'( |
| 19:51.46 | Fullmoon | Great |
| 19:51.48 | rend | I couldn't find a 120 baud modem reference on google even :) |
| 19:51.51 | d0ugie | Simon, how goes it |
| 19:51.54 | Danar | you said "head -n 20 /etc/X11/Xf86Config-4". is that not it? |
| 19:52.02 | Anthro | Fullmoon: it sounds ike the anime/manga Fruits Basket. |
| 19:52.04 | paulswm | Fullmoon: Fruit Bowl, or Fruit Bowls, depending on singular or plural |
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| 19:52.17 | liam | greycat, well you guys are the experts, what should I do? Have I just configured the damn thing wrong again? |
| 19:52.28 | directhex | Danar, head is a command to get the first n lines from a text file and display them |
| 19:52.34 | cat | liam: what are you trying to configured? |
| 19:52.35 | greycat | liam: are you booting with grub, or lilo? |
| 19:52.41 | Danar | oh yeah. thx |
| 19:52.41 | Fullmoon | Reminder to self: Never register a domain name again, without consulting a dictionary |
| 19:52.44 | d0ugie | btw people, cPanel finally supports debian |
| 19:52.46 | liam | greycat, grub |
| 19:53.00 | directhex | Danar, the correct md5sum command is written on line 17 of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 19:53.02 | Anthro | d0ugie: what is cpanel? |
| 19:53.03 | greycat | liam: find the boot parameters somewhere in /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if devfs is mentioned |
| 19:53.04 | paulswm | Fullmoon: heh |
| 19:53.07 | cat | dotsony: big time |
| 19:53.08 | Danar | Fullmoon, well, dictionary wouldn't really help. you needed grammar advice |
| 19:53.10 | firefly2442 | sigh... Alioth is still down... |
| 19:53.13 | directhex | Anthro, like webmin, but webservr specific |
| 19:53.15 | liam | greycat, ok, 1 sec... |
| 19:53.15 | McCabe | im using courier-imap, am i right to assume i can apt-get install courier-pop3 to support pop3 clients, without affecting the imap installation i have now? |
| 19:53.20 | Danar | directhex, thx. :) |
| 19:53.25 | Anthro | greycat: He's on 2.6.9, so it's probably udev. |
| 19:53.29 | cat | McCabe: yeah it wont affect |
| 19:53.31 | Anthro | directhex: Ah. |
| 19:53.32 | Fullmoon | Now all i can do is make a site abouts fruits doing bowling. >_< |
| 19:53.37 | McCabe | catulix: great, thanks! :) |
| 19:53.46 | greycat | Anthro: I think it's actually in the source tree, just not configured by default.... |
| 19:53.47 | x_or | Can anyone explain to me why aptitude would state that Xlib is installed, but find /usr | grep Xlib doesn't return anything? |
| 19:53.56 | McCabe | catulix: that was for cat, of course |
| 19:54.01 | cat | x_or: used tasksel |
| 19:54.01 | catulix | XD |
| 19:54.04 | greycat | x_or: find /usr -name '*libx*' |
| 19:54.09 | Danar | hrm, in knoppix it gives head: /etc/X11/Xf86Config-4: No such file or directory |
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| 19:54.19 | Anthro | liam: Where did your kernel come from? |
| 19:54.19 | Danar | er, that didn't look right, lol |
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| 19:54.27 | greycat | and also *libX* |
| 19:54.42 | paulswm | Fullmoon: fruitsbowl would be OK if it were a US site about (in an uncomplimentary way) with gay people playing cricket |
| 19:54.42 | rend | the first commercial device was not available until 1962. It was called the Bell 103, by AT&T. This first modem allowed full-duplex transmission, and boasted data rates up to 300 bits per second. |
| 19:54.43 | d0ugie | anthro: it's a web interface for users to add email accounts, easily install and config code like a guestbook or php-nuke install/mysql config, .. it lets those who don't know much about the game do some advanced shit pretty easily |
| 19:54.49 | liam | greycat, devfs isn't mentioned. |
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| 19:54.56 | rend | 300 baud back in 1962 |
| 19:54.57 | liam | Anthro, kernel.org |
| 19:55.03 | greycat | liam: you configured it yourself? |
| 19:55.07 | rend | no freaking way this lamer had a 120 baud :) |
| 19:55.24 | liam | greycat, or rather broke it myself :( |
| 19:55.26 | Anthro | liam: Use a Debian stock kernel and stop fucking around until you understand things better. |
| 19:55.27 | Danar | ah, nvm. it was the small f that did it |
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| 19:55.29 | Fullmoon | ...silence... sounds like PROFIT for me, that gay cricket site |
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| 19:55.31 | galgen_ | Hi. I got some problems running RealPlayer 10 with the latest mozilla. Or actually, I don't know if its mozillas fault - since it seem to run smoothly, but no sound will come in my speakers. Otherwise I have no problems, I can play as much music I want with other programs. |
| 19:55.41 | Fullmoon | Maybe i will even get my 36 EUR for the domain back :p |
| 19:55.47 | greycat | liam: find devfs in your config file, then... |
| 19:56.01 | greycat | Fullmoon: you paid *that* much? for how many years? |
| 19:56.08 | x_or | galgen_: What window manager are you using? KDE? |
| 19:56.08 | Fullmoon | Two |
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| 19:56.15 | greycat | you got ripped off :) |
| 19:56.21 | Fullmoon | I thought it would be a really good name, you know... |
| 19:56.31 | paulswm | Fullmoon: you can try, but the registering process usually warns you to double check the name before registering |
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| 19:56.53 | Fullmoon | Even wondered why it was available, such a good name |
| 19:56.56 | galgen_ | x_or: KDE. |
| 19:57.02 | G0v | Does anyone know what UUIDGEN is and why it sits on TCP port 697? |
| 19:57.10 | x_or | Are you using artsd as your sound daemon? |
| 19:57.14 | Fullmoon | A simple google query for "fruits bowl" vs. "fruit bowl" would have told me WHY |
| 19:57.16 | galgen_ | x_or: But even with GNOME there's problems. |
| 19:57.27 | Anthro | G0v: telnet to the port and see what it gives. |
| 19:57.28 | debd00d | can someone help me with this error i get in kde when trying to select the sound system? http://pastebin.com/228530 |
| 19:57.30 | x_or | If so, you will need to check the box which says to sleep after a few seconds so it releases /dev/dsp. |
| 19:57.39 | G0v | Anthro: It sits waiting for input |
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| 19:57.43 | x_or | Do you know which sound manager you are using? |
| 19:57.43 | greycat | G0v: you might want to strace the process too, while you do that. |
| 19:58.07 | G0v | Anthro: I've looked through Google,and I can't find out any info as to WHAT it does, just that it's common to be there |
| 19:58.07 | az_ | hello, i have question : C++ compiler cannot create executables |
| 19:58.13 | Anthro | G0v: I expect that it's some random inetd thing. Check for it in your /etc/inetd.conf |
| 19:58.16 | directhex | !b-e az_ |
| 19:58.16 | dpkg | az_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 19:58.18 | greycat | G0v: which package is it from? |
| 19:58.22 | x_or | galgen_: run "ps auwx | grep alsa" |
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| 19:58.25 | Danar | why are XF86Config & XF86Config-4 different? |
| 19:58.28 | G0v | Anthro: not in inetd.conf |
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| 19:58.38 | galgen_ | x_or: Yeah, I seem to run artsd. Thanks. I will try to change that. |
| 19:58.41 | directhex | G0v, you use gnome? |
| 19:58.43 | Anthro | G0v: lsof will find the process that has the port open. |
| 19:58.48 | Delph | simonrvn: no worries |
| 19:58.54 | greycat | Anthro: one assumes he already has that, since he named it. |
| 19:59.00 | G0v | greycat: I have no idea... if you just ask google about UUIDGen, it looks like it's an apache library to create unique ids |
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| 19:59.05 | az_ | dpkg : is this a package ? |
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| 19:59.07 | greycat | and UUIDGEN doesn't sound like nmap's normal stupid answers |
| 19:59.07 | dpkg | az_: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:59.08 | liam | Anthro, I learn new things by fucking around. |
| 19:59.11 | souza10 | Danar: one is graphic and another no |
| 19:59.25 | G0v | let me try somet of the things you've recommend to find out more info, hold please |
| 19:59.27 | x_or | galgen_: Go to control panel, and then sound & multimedia, then sound system, and make sure the auto-suspend checkbox is checked. |
| 19:59.31 | Delph | ferret: years of work, and gentle procrastination. |
| 19:59.33 | Danar | souza10, -4 is graphic, right? |
| 19:59.44 | greycat | G0v: that's the wrong answer. The right answer is "How do I find out what package it's from?" In which case we might be generous and say "dpkg -S filename" |
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| 19:59.49 | az_ | dpkg : are you human ? |
| 19:59.50 | dpkg | az_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 19:59.58 | souza10 | Danar: I am not sure, but I think so |
| 20:00.04 | paulswm | Fullmoon: well, you have great wit, I'm sure you'll figure out a way of using your shiny new name :) "Fruit S Bowl" maybe |
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| 20:00.07 | d0ugie | az_: about as close as a bot could get |
| 20:00.11 | directhex | Danar, -4 is for xfree86 4.x rather than 3.x |
| 20:00.13 | paulswm | !abuse az_ |
| 20:00.14 | souza10 | Danar: one or another |
| 20:00.15 | Anthro | liam: That's fine, but the goal is to learn them before breaking things. You should also always have a fallback kernel so that when you do break things you are unable to do anything other than fix them. |
| 20:00.18 | G0v | greycat: I don't have a filename to give you |
| 20:00.26 | x_or | galgen_: It would be nice if the RealPlayer could use artsd as a sound server, rather than requiring direct access via OSS. Oh well. |
| 20:00.30 | greycat | G0v: then where did you get the name "UUIDGEN" from, if it's not a filename? |
| 20:00.50 | liam | Anthro, Well, this kernel has been fine for everything else. And as I learn more, it will improve ;) |
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| 20:00.57 | directhex | x_or, realplayer is oss-clean. use artsdsp |
| 20:01.05 | d0ugie | it would be nice if we all could collectively join hands to refuse to use real formats |
| 20:01.05 | G0v | greycat: I looked up port 697 on google in a standard TCP port list, and it was labled UUIDGEN |
| 20:01.10 | p30n | i got a Q, im installing debian net-inst and when it asked me for which packages i wanted i choose Workstation and hit enter, and then it started downloading, and it stated something about recmonended packages that wasnt going to be downloaded |
| 20:01.11 | Danar | directhex, my knoppix version doesn't have the command in the comments |
| 20:01.13 | p30n | can i change this lateR? |
| 20:01.15 | directhex | resiak, use aoss |
| 20:01.15 | greycat | !lose G0v |
| 20:01.16 | dpkg | G0v: You Lose. |
| 20:01.21 | p30n | like download more packages and so on |
| 20:01.25 | resiak | directhex: Meh, I don't use it. |
| 20:01.29 | Anthro | liam: Install a stock Debian kernel so that you can get useful help on the things you want to do other than futzing with the kernel. |
| 20:01.29 | directhex | Danar, i'm not surprised. |
| 20:01.29 | resiak | directhex: RealPlayer, that is. |
| 20:01.31 | greycat | !win Anthro |
| 20:01.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, Anthro! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 20:01.32 | x_or | directhex: Does it work for you? I am using jackd with artsd acting as a client, and artsdsp doesn't work for me. |
| 20:01.47 | directhex | x_or, i'd rather stab myself in the face than use arts |
| 20:01.48 | Danar | what's this do? Option "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true" |
| 20:01.50 | G0v | dpkg: what the hell? |
| 20:01.51 | dpkg | This! |
| 20:01.54 | Anthro | greycat: Eh? |
| 20:02.02 | greycat | 14:58 Anthro> G0v: lsof will find the process that has the port open. |
| 20:02.03 | directhex | !magic hate ball |
| 20:02.03 | liam | Anthro, No! Help me or don't help me, but I learn from my mistakes. |
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| 20:02.11 | x_or | Well, I really need to use jackd, and artsd works as a client to that, which works with mplayer, etc. |
| 20:02.16 | G0v | greycat: and as I said, i'm going to go find that out, and brb |
| 20:02.16 | resiak | Danar: Whether or not having no mouse qualifies as a reason to fail to start. |
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| 20:02.30 | Danar | ah, thx |
| 20:02.31 | paulswm | magic hate ball, that's a good one |
| 20:02.37 | galgen_ | x_or: I run ALSA... How do I uncheck that box that you were talking about? |
| 20:02.46 | greycat | at least it wasn't nmap's output. That's the only good thing I can say. |
| 20:02.48 | Anthro | liam: Well, I'm done helping you. I've given you enough to go on, plus some good advice. |
| 20:03.00 | liam | greycat, Anthro Ok, i'm removing devfs_fs |
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| 20:03.04 | Danar | kaka, i'm gonna replace it anyway, and tweak it after |
| 20:03.06 | x_or | galgen_: Is it greyed out in your control panel? Do you see it there? |
| 20:03.07 | G0v | greycat: it was nmap that says the port is open... |
| 20:03.07 | Anthro | greycat: Ah. Heh. You were expecting to much from him, were you? |
| 20:03.08 | Danar | wtf? |
| 20:03.08 | p30n | question: can i download additional packages to sarge net-inst after ive installed it, i just realised i should have chosen more but i didnt. |
| 20:03.18 | liam | Anthro, Yes, thanks. and I do appreciate it. |
| 20:03.21 | greycat | G0v: but at least you had the sense to go look somewhere else for the name |
| 20:03.23 | Danar | kaka = k |
| 20:03.26 | galgen_ | x_or: oh, I will check. thanks. |
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| 20:03.33 | G0v | greycat: :) |
| 20:03.34 | kzar | I'm wondering what you do to set up raids? I have a card and things but am trying to learn what I will have to do first. Also I wondered as the motherboard I am going to use is old, would it mess things up? |
| 20:03.36 | firefly2442 | p30n: just use apt-get when done |
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| 20:03.45 | directhex | !tell p30n about apt |
| 20:04.03 | paulswm | p30n: apt-get, install and remove packages till you go blind :) |
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| 20:04.22 | p30n | firefly2442: is it as easy as choosing in the net installer like "workstation" and "webserver" and like that? |
| 20:04.24 | p30n | ok ok |
| 20:04.25 | p30n | i get it |
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| 20:04.27 | p30n | hehe thanks guys |
| 20:04.28 | d0ugie | Hey, is php/sql the way to go to make these vote websites like amihotornot.com, or better yet, is there something like it on freshmeat or sourceforge? |
| 20:04.34 | greycat | p30n: if you really MUST use bloated newbie interfaces, you want "tasksel" |
| 20:04.37 | directhex | p30n, if you want that menu, run 'tasksel' |
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| 20:04.55 | kzar | d0ugie I dont know what hot or not uses but you could make it with php and mysql withought much trouble |
| 20:04.57 | neenee | d0ugie: sourceforge/freshmeat have search functions |
| 20:04.59 | G0v | OH, and for whoever it was that asked if I used GNOME, no, I don't |
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| 20:05.14 | p30n | this is my first try on gnu/linux and i bought a new computer solely for that purpose today so i guess ill be here asking a lot |
| 20:05.14 | d0ugie | thanks neenee, kzar |
| 20:05.19 | firefly2442 | www.php.net |
| 20:05.23 | reed_ | Hello. Does anyone know if there is a server/driver devel package for xfree86? (I found this RPM (http://tinyurl.com/49dfx) that seems to have what I want, but can't find a similar package in Debian...) Thanks... |
| 20:05.30 | paulswm | p30n: apt-get is not exactly hard, and apt-cache search is your friend |
| 20:05.38 | d0ugie | cool firefly, i'll check that too |
| 20:05.38 | p30n | ok |
| 20:05.39 | xnor | is it possible to install kopete on debian stable? |
| 20:05.43 | chealer | p30n: you installed kde? |
| 20:05.46 | greycat | tasksel is easier, of course, until you realize you didn't *want* all that... |
| 20:05.57 | greycat | xnor: I wouldn't even try. |
| 20:06.06 | firefly2442 | it can get kinda bloated after the install |
| 20:06.07 | p30n | chealer: no idea actually, im still downloading in the net-inst |
| 20:06.09 | G0v | greycat: what you didn't tell me was to pipe lsof into less :) |
| 20:06.11 | greycat | kopete == something KDE-ish == just run sarge |
| 20:06.18 | liam | Anthro, greycat Thanks again for your help. I guess I seem pretty dumb to those who know what they are doing. :s |
| 20:06.19 | kzar | p30n: I got a book the other day, you might find it helpfull its called "Linux Cookbook" (O'Reilly), it awnsers common things + often has a debian way of doing it |
| 20:06.22 | greycat | G0v: lsof -i :697 |
| 20:06.29 | directhex | reed_, apt-get install x-window-system-dev |
| 20:06.29 | takatumi | p30n: read the #debian faq, apt-get install debian-reference as well. |
| 20:06.30 | greycat | or whatever the port was |
| 20:06.36 | p30n | kzar: cool where did ya get it? |
| 20:06.38 | d0ugie | p30n: every week or so before you do an apt search, run apt-get update as there's new versions of everything every day |
| 20:06.49 | kzar | p30n: well amazon but alot of places probably sell it |
| 20:06.49 | paulswm | liam: you are a genuis compared to some, believe me |
| 20:06.56 | Anthro | liam: Not dumb, just foolhardy. You were trying to work on too many new things at one time, rather than biting off one piece at a time. |
| 20:06.56 | greycat | liam: if you seem dumb to me, believe me, you'll know. |
| 20:07.00 | xnor | greycat: why wont it work? |
| 20:07.02 | p30n | take it easy guys, this is too much info at the same time |
| 20:07.07 | p30n | i wont remember all |
| 20:07.25 | Delph | p30n: thus the usefulness of logging. |
| 20:07.25 | greycat | xnor: it's *not* worth the effort to try to backport recent KDE to a 3+ year old stable platform. |
| 20:07.28 | paulswm | liam: you never have to wonder what greycat is thinking, he's not shy about telling you, heh |
| 20:07.29 | taddeus | i would like to install cpad-kernel-source but there are no kernel-headers for kernel i'm using: 2.6.7 #2 SMP, can i upgrade to 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 ? |
| 20:07.32 | reed_ | directhex, that looks like a metapackage for all the client libraries. I want to build an xfree86 server driver module. |
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| 20:07.42 | p30n | Delph: i am logging :) |
| 20:07.53 | G0v | greycat: it says rpc... |
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| 20:07.55 | liam | Ok guys, thanks again. I'll have to reboot to test this. Hopefully I'll be back to congratulate you soon :) |
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| 20:08.02 | greycat | G0v: rpc.*what*? |
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| 20:08.41 | reed_ | don't make me install an RPM on my debian system :D |
| 20:08.49 | greycat | ok, I won't. |
| 20:08.50 | G0v | greycat: sorry, rpc.statd |
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| 20:08.58 | greycat | G0v: now, you can use "dpkg -S rpc.statd"... |
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| 20:09.15 | taddeus | can kernel 2.6.8 or 2.6.9 run on Via C3 system ? which kernel-image should i use ? |
| 20:09.19 | xnor | greycat: do you recomend me to upgrade to testing? i now run fluxbox with gimp and webbrower etc. Do you think it would damage somehing if i change sources.list to testing and run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 20:09.24 | greycat | taddeus: yes, and if 586 doesn't work, then use 386 |
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| 20:09.31 | G0v | greycat: nfs-common |
| 20:09.36 | greycat | taddeus: or build a custom one with the C3 choice. |
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| 20:09.53 | greycat | G0v: so now you know what it is, and where it came from, and what it does (man...) |
| 20:10.06 | d0ugie | xnor: is it worth the risk to you? |
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| 20:10.34 | G0v | greycat: Well, since i never intended to use NFS, I'm assuming it was installed as a dependency for another package, and I know I want to turn it off... |
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| 20:10.48 | earl3982 | im installing a new debian system... any objections to reiser? |
| 20:10.52 | x_or | What package do I install to get X11 libs? |
| 20:10.58 | directhex | !reiserfs |
| 20:10.58 | dpkg | i heard reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
| 20:11.07 | greycat | hmm, interesting... no -586 in sarge for 2.6.8 it appears. |
| 20:11.11 | d0ugie | earl: i've had good experience with it |
| 20:11.15 | greycat | x_or: FAQ |
| 20:11.23 | xnor | d0ugie yes :) do i need to update the kernel too? i now use 2.4.18-1 |
| 20:11.24 | idnar | that factoid is rather useless |
| 20:11.26 | directhex | greycat, nope, the 586 kernels seem to have died on 2.6 |
| 20:11.32 | taddeus | greycat, i'm using a very slow gprs connection.. :( are you sure about kernel should i use ? i would like to download a kernel-image |
| 20:11.36 | paulswm | earl3982: personally, I use ext3 because of safety just like _dpkg said |
| 20:11.37 | greycat | oh well, use -386 then. |
| 20:11.38 | idnar | "reiserfs causes data loss because... err... someone said it did" |
| 20:11.51 | bohan | hi, is there a graphical browser for info pages? |
| 20:11.51 | earl3982 | yeh, im quite suspicous |
| 20:11.56 | earl3982 | meh |
| 20:11.58 | d0ugie | earl: the kernel? not sure, i only did it by creating the partition when i did my last install |
| 20:11.58 | greycat | bohan: pinfo is nicer than info |
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| 20:12.05 | greycat | but still not 'graphical' per se. |
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| 20:12.08 | taddeus | ok, tnx :D |
| 20:12.13 | bohan | greycat, thanks |
| 20:12.14 | G0v | earl3982: I was publically humiliated in this room one day for using reiserfs, so I switched to JFS... for what it's worth |
| 20:12.27 | x_or | greycat: Ok, where is the FAQ? Not listed on Debian's home page, nor on the support page. |
| 20:12.36 | cahoot | bohan: info:/ in konqueror? |
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| 20:12.47 | x_or | Got it. |
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| 20:13.05 | d0ugie | earl: do you have any unusual needs filesystem wise or are you wanting to do this for fun |
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| 20:13.14 | bohan | cahoot, ha.. i don't have konqueror |
| 20:13.14 | x_or | But, FAQ doesn't appear to have anything on installing the X11 libraries. |
| 20:13.16 | greycat | paulswm: hey, if we keep this up, maybe we can get him to use VMS! |
| 20:13.25 | paulswm | greycat: heh |
| 20:13.26 | greycat | x_or: you didn't read it all yet. |
| 20:13.33 | reed_ | x_or: there are lots of X libraries, you can seach packages.debian.org. |
| 20:13.42 | GomoX | hi |
| 20:13.42 | greycat | in particular, you didn't read the bottom of the front page where it says "if you're compiling..." |
| 20:13.49 | G0v | if I try to remove a package using apt-get remove package, would I get a warning if the package was depended on by something else? |
| 20:13.55 | paulswm | greycat: if *nixes disappeared, I could be happy with VMS and fortran |
| 20:13.58 | greycat | G0v: yes |
| 20:14.10 | G0v | greycat: excellent, then away goes nfs-common |
| 20:14.11 | xnor | greycat: if i dist-upgrade to testing, do i need to update the kernel too? i now use 2.4.18-1 |
| 20:14.14 | greycat | paulswm: I think I'd become a luddite without Unix. |
| 20:14.33 | tinman | hello, does anyone have the link for the nvidia install.sh? |
| 20:14.39 | bohan | argh, pinfo writes text gray on white by default.. which is unreadable on my screen :-( |
| 20:14.40 | greycat | xnor: you can keep the kernel or update it. your choice. |
| 20:14.45 | x_or | Searching for libX11 doesn't return anything, damn. |
| 20:14.57 | G0v | greycat and Anthro, thank you very much for your help |
| 20:14.59 | xnor | greycat: ok |
| 20:15.01 | FromTO | X11 forwarding does not work. I debuged sshd and it seems to hang at debug1: Setting controlling tty using TIOCSCTTY. can anyone help |
| 20:15.04 | felixdz | I am having trouble installing a driver I get the following error.... |
| 20:15.06 | greycat | x_or: 3.5. Development |
| 20:15.09 | felixdz | /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/z42tool': Permission denied |
| 20:15.11 | Omahn | Whats the correct way of forcing a network interface to 100BaseTX-FD on boot? An init script with mii-tool? |
| 20:15.13 | paulswm | greycat: just load up CP/M and get used to 'pip' |
| 20:15.15 | GomoX | What's a good (as in well supported on linux) Athlon64 motherboard? |
| 20:15.17 | greycat | This page isn't only about developing for Debian or software in general. It's also meant for end users compiling their own kernel or trying to get a new piece of software by running ./configure ... |
| 20:15.45 | greycat | felixdz: Be The Root. |
| 20:15.49 | bohan | felixdz, make sure you run that as root |
| 20:16.07 | greycat | Omahn: I tend to put "up mii-tool -F 100basewhatever eth0" in the stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:16.08 | felixdz | I thought I was |
| 20:16.14 | felixdz | Try again... |
| 20:16.22 | Omahn | greycat: Good idea! Thanks, i'll give that a try. |
| 20:16.54 | bucky | reed_, i think you're looking for x-window-system-dev |
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| 20:17.28 | reed_ | bucky, that looks like a metapackage for all the client libraries. I want to build an xfree86 server driver module. |
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| 20:17.41 | felixdz | Still same error as root |
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| 20:17.54 | greycat | felixdz: I doubt that. |
| 20:18.31 | felixdz | I'll own up this is ubuntu. sudo |
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| 20:18.52 | reed_ | I'll just download the XFree86 source code... zZzzz... |
| 20:19.02 | FromTO | what is Setting controlling tty using TIOCSCTT ? for X11 forwarding |
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| 20:19.38 | greycat | FromTO: um... a red herring? |
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| 20:20.25 | king_mike | Has somebody got an HP 9300 printer ? |
| 20:20.25 | reed_ | felixdz, are you using "su" to become root, or "sudo"? Maybe the thing you're trying to install is broken and you need to create the /usr/local and /usr/local/bin directories. |
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| 20:20.50 | greycat | maybe he should actually show us what he's doing. |
| 20:20.53 | FromTO | greycat: well I debuged sshd and it seems to be hanging at that line |
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| 20:21.25 | greycat | for god's sake, WHY is there no #ssh channel? |
| 20:21.33 | felixdz | mkdir /usr/local and /usr/local/bin ??? as root reed_ |
| 20:21.47 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.56 | greycat | FieldySnuts: 1 user, no topic |
| 20:22.14 | FieldySnuts | nice. |
| 20:22.25 | FieldySnuts | @lart no #ssh |
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| 20:22.45 | abrotman | #openbsd? |
| 20:22.57 | greycat | that's stretching it... |
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| 20:23.23 | dwu | how do i put a process in background without using &? |
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| 20:23.28 | FieldySnuts | you don't |
| 20:23.31 | greycat | how do I feed myself without food? |
| 20:23.34 | morbias | where do apt-source sources ago ? |
| 20:23.37 | morbias | go^ |
| 20:23.39 | greycat | morbias: $PWD |
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| 20:23.56 | FieldySnuts | argh. don't wanna finish building this rack server whatta pain |
| 20:24.05 | dwu | im trying to put a list of scripts in the background |
| 20:24.06 | tinman | is there any other place to get this http://bouncybouncy.net/nvidia_install.sh the link is dead |
| 20:24.10 | greycat | dwu: and..? |
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| 20:24.15 | dwu | the scripts name is in a file |
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| 20:24.28 | greycat | and...? |
| 20:24.37 | morbias | greycat: huh?/ |
| 20:24.38 | reed_ | greycat, because ssh always works perfectly... |
| 20:24.40 | FieldySnuts | @waytrd |
| 20:24.43 | FieldySnuts | or whatever |
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| 20:24.48 | dwu | cat <file> | while read program ; do $program & ; done <-- doesnt work |
| 20:24.48 | FieldySnuts | reed_: heh. |
| 20:24.54 | greycat | morbias: `pwd` |
| 20:24.59 | greycat | morbias: . |
| 20:25.12 | dwu | any clue? |
| 20:25.15 | GomoX | dwu: for each in `cat file` can help |
| 20:25.17 | greycat | dwu: & ; is not valid syntax. omit the ; after the & |
| 20:25.17 | FieldySnuts | only times i've had openssh act up was administrator / user error |
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| 20:25.31 | greycat | while read program; do $program & done < file |
| 20:25.34 | Danar | ok, i just copied my knoppix XF86Config-4 file over the one on my HD, and now x starts without the sync range error, but x just restarts every time i try to log in... |
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| 20:26.08 | dwu | grey oh~~ |
| 20:26.08 | earl2499 | when im installing debian, it says, "No partition tab le or unknown signature. Do you wish to start with a zero table? y/n" what does that mean? what hsould i do? |
| 20:26.11 | dwu | man you are a shell god |
| 20:26.13 | dwu | greycat |
| 20:26.28 | reed_ | Danar, is that a question or a statement? |
| 20:26.58 | Danar | reed_, it's a statement of my problem |
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| 20:27.54 | Danar | i got this error message: (WW) VESA(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xe0000000,0x8000000) |
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| 20:27.54 | reed_ | The X server writes logs to /var/log/XFree86.0.log. |
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| 20:27.55 | FieldySnuts | no mtrr? |
| 20:27.55 | greycat | Danar: (WW) is just a warning, though |
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| 20:27.55 | FieldySnuts | true, WW won't stop it |
| 20:27.55 | Danar | reed_, i know, that's where i got it from just now |
| 20:27.55 | greycat | nvz: you are getting sleeeepy.... |
| 20:28.05 | nvz | no way, its making a ticking sound |
| 20:28.20 | Danar | well, this is the last line: (II) PS/2 Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded |
| 20:28.38 | FieldySnuts | II is informational, as youy'd know if you'd read the log closer |
| 20:29.07 | Danar | there's no EE |
| 20:29.10 | greycat | !listvals really read it |
| 20:29.12 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'really read it' by value returned no results. |
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| 20:29.14 | greycat | hrm. |
| 20:29.21 | greycat | !listvals actually read it |
| 20:29.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'actually read it' by value returned no results. |
| 20:29.26 | greycat | !listvals read it |
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| 20:29.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'read it' by value (14 shown): idepci ;; pay attention ;; playboy ;; ampl ;; bofh ;; debian book ;; snow crash ;; .bin ;; d-d-a ;; CMD: topicbadger (.*?) ;; li ;; repeating again ;; intro ;; CMD: faqsmite (.*?). |
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| 20:29.39 | FieldySnuts | playboy? |
| 20:29.45 | Myren | wtf |
| 20:29.54 | felixdz | I figured it out. While ubuntu is similar to debian. It is not the same. You have to prefix each command with sudo |
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| 20:29.59 | greycat | Damn, I can't think of the name of the factoid I wanted. |
| 20:30.03 | felixdz | Thanks for the assistance |
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| 20:30.56 | Stefan` | Hi, how do you config which keymap at boot is loaded? |
| 20:31.05 | asxcx | ive just installed debian and i want to connect to the internet. I use a router, how can i setup it up to work in debian? |
| 20:31.20 | dvs | asxcx: man 5 interfaces |
| 20:31.24 | asxcx | k |
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| 20:31.27 | FieldySnuts | if your router is serving up dhcp, and is also configured properly, use dhcp and you'll be set |
| 20:31.32 | pau4o | what can I use to transfer video from Digital Camcorder connected to PC with IEEE1394 or USB |
| 20:31.42 | Danar | no serious errors in kern.log either |
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| 20:32.04 | bucky | reed_, http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2003/10/msg01247.html |
| 20:32.10 | Danar | asxcx, you can use DHCP, and configure your router to enable DHCP server |
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| 20:32.25 | d0ugie | asxcx: you may want to config your router if you plan on doing any serving to port forward outsiders to yoru box and not another on the network.. usually doable by http'ing to 192.168.1.1 |
| 20:32.27 | cat | how can i know when my sound card is being used? |
| 20:32.29 | Danar | bah, i'm slow :p |
| 20:32.33 | greycat | cat: lsof, fuser |
| 20:32.35 | thomas_adam | cat: lsof |
| 20:32.37 | greycat | cat: or by turning on the speakers. |
| 20:32.48 | asxcx | ok thanks |
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| 20:32.52 | nvz | heh, everytime I start to type something, someone already said it. =P |
| 20:33.18 | Danar | anyone know how i can fix my problem? |
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| 20:33.28 | whiny | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.31 | Danar | whenever i try to log in, i end up back at the login screen |
| 20:33.38 | reed_ | bucky, I saw those messages but I guess no actual package has been created (or accepted)? |
| 20:33.38 | greycat | whiny: you get two copies |
| 20:33.45 | reed_ | Danar, are you using GDM or KDM? |
| 20:33.52 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: wang? |
| 20:33.55 | reed_ | (Or something else?) |
| 20:33.55 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: wish i knew |
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| 20:34.03 | Danar | reed_, KDM, but i was actually trying to log in to IceWM |
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| 20:34.12 | whiny | FieldySnuts: korn ? |
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| 20:34.19 | FieldySnuts | ? |
| 20:34.33 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: korn? |
| 20:34.35 | ravenbird | [korn] a kick ass band that has earned its parental advisory sticker, or a (non-free) shell, or sucks, or is not a "was," korn is still an "is" |
| 20:34.35 | whiny | a member of korn is called fieldy |
| 20:34.38 | nvz | is the gimp probably the most suitable tool for making icons in debian? |
| 20:34.44 | FieldySnuts | k |
| 20:34.50 | FieldySnuts | people keep tellin me that bu i dont care |
| 20:35.21 | Danar | nvz, i think KDE has something for making icons... |
| 20:35.22 | whiny | ravenbird: xmms? |
| 20:35.23 | ravenbird | methinks xmms is X MultiMedia System. Leach it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 20:35.40 | nvz | I need to install something on here to make icons with.. the kid recognises letters, but responds more to the pictures |
| 20:35.46 | Danar | ravenbird, *leech |
| 20:35.46 | ravenbird | Danar: wish i knew |
| 20:35.56 | abrotman | @abuse |
| 20:35.57 | ravenbird | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 20:36.41 | nvz | like for Neverball I am currently using the Aumix icon, since it doesnt have one. =P |
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| 20:36.57 | chealer | pau4o: maybe gtkam |
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| 20:37.25 | pau4o | chealer, 10x I'll try |
| 20:37.28 | Stefan` | someone knows an easy way to swap two keys in X? (or how to edit the keymap for X?) |
| 20:37.33 | Danar | reed_, does it matter? i'm not sure it's getting to that point |
| 20:37.57 | d0ugie | are older kernels better for old machines? i mean do they get more bloated over time? |
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| 20:38.22 | Koffa | you can drop things |
| 20:38.30 | Koffa | so long answer short: not really :) |
| 20:39.11 | valdyn | d0ugie: not at all, only newer kernels do offer the feature to remove features for small systems |
| 20:39.12 | t0mb0y | if i do losetup /dev/loop0 i get /dev/loop0: [2201]:7340034 (/mnt1/myimage.iso) offset 0, none encryption, in fstab i have a line /dev/loop0 /mnt1/image iso9660 users,noauto 0 0, if i do mount /mnt1/image it reports mount: not a directory, thought /mnt1/image is a directory.. any ideas ? |
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| 20:39.30 | greycat | debian's kernels are highly modular anyway |
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| 20:39.54 | greycat | they do suck up a lot of disk space in the root FS, though |
| 20:40.09 | greycat | no more 30 MB root file systems for you! |
| 20:40.11 | earl2499 | should i have multiple partitions or just put everything on one? |
| 20:40.12 | Danar | what's mtrr? |
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| 20:40.32 | dvs | earl2499: it depends what you're using it for. |
| 20:40.32 | Koffa | uh |
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| 20:40.49 | ludi | hello, my print test page fails printing to network SMB printer |
| 20:41.10 | greycat | ludi: #cups and #samba |
| 20:41.20 | greycat | assuming you're using cups. |
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| 20:41.35 | earl2499 | its a testing server for a production machine |
| 20:41.40 | xam | Danar: memory type range register ... used to specify what parts of memory can be accessed how, eg. write-though/-combined etc. Used by XFree86 to speed up/tune access to graphics card memory |
| 20:41.49 | dvs | earl2499: what will it do in production? |
| 20:41.55 | earl2499 | important stuff |
| 20:42.00 | Danar | xam, thx |
| 20:42.01 | dvs | earl2499: like what? |
| 20:42.06 | tarzeau | is it possible zsh is much fast than bash? it feels like it |
| 20:42.15 | earl2499 | control access to buildings etc.. |
| 20:42.27 | Danar | syslog says: Jan 12 21:07:43 Linbox kernel: mtrr: 0xe0000000,0x800000 overlaps existing 0xe0000000,0x200000 |
| 20:42.31 | greycat | tarzeau: you could try benchmarking it... |
| 20:42.33 | dvs | earl2499: oh. Not a web or mail server but some real time tasks. |
| 20:42.44 | Danar | zsh is slower for me |
| 20:42.47 | earl2499 | well? |
| 20:42.55 | greycat | zsh is certainly bigger and fancier |
| 20:43.24 | dvs | earl2499: if it's not going to allow users to directly to logon, then I'd just use one partition. |
| 20:44.05 | earl2499 | only ppl that login will be programmers |
| 20:44.23 | greycat | interesting phrasing. |
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| 20:44.47 | greycat | I assume you *meant* "The only people allowed to login are the programmers." |
| 20:45.07 | earl2499 | yeh |
| 20:45.15 | jetscreamer | no, they have to hack their way in |
| 20:45.17 | jetscreamer | ! |
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| 20:45.45 | Danar | do i need vesafb? |
| 20:45.50 | jetscreamer | did i mention how much i detest win9x |
| 20:46.00 | jetscreamer | no you don't 'need' it... however, you may want it |
| 20:46.01 | Danar | i can't get rid of it via modconf. says it's in use :/ |
| 20:46.11 | jetscreamer | edit /etc/modules |
| 20:46.26 | jetscreamer | then it will be gone when you reboot, or man rmmod |
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| 20:46.35 | Danar | k |
| 20:46.52 | greycat | unless hotplug/discover brings it back in. |
| 20:47.11 | Danar | i think it's using the same memory range as my vid card |
| 20:47.12 | jetscreamer | they don't bring in fb do they? (not sure) |
| 20:47.18 | jetscreamer | gee go figger |
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| 20:47.45 | jetscreamer | *insert regurgitated bot bitching |
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| 20:48.20 | Danar | i have a bunch of these in syslog: ide2: Wait for ready failed before probe ! |
| 20:48.47 | jetscreamer | google it maybe |
| 20:48.58 | Danar | i have. found nothing useful |
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| 20:49.31 | abrotman | #kernel maybe? |
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| 20:49.59 | liran | what is the command to add an allown port to iptables ? |
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| 20:50.42 | DoV_ | lilo78 |
| 20:50.44 | resiak | liran: Read man iptables. |
| 20:50.49 | Danar | PCI: Unable to reserve mem region #1:8000000@e0000000 for device 0000:01:00.0 |
| 20:50.55 | greycat | and also see Rusty's Unreliable Guides |
| 20:50.56 | Danar | radeonfb: cannot reserve PCI regions. Someone already got them? |
| 20:51.00 | liran | resiak i really need it now,i will read about it later |
| 20:51.02 | Danar | radeonfb: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -16 |
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| 20:51.12 | Danar | those 3 are in a row |
| 20:51.18 | jetscreamer | danar is there an hd or something on your secondary channel? |
| 20:51.25 | abrotman | liran: #iptables |
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| 20:51.36 | FlopsyPete | does apt-get keep a log of the packages its installed? |
| 20:51.39 | clusty | i am trying to partition the a harddrive with parted (or qtparted) but I cannot resize it. It give me a message that the partition contains something weird and it is not supported yet. Any clue what that is? I am trying to resize an ext3 partition |
| 20:51.42 | greycat | FlopsyPete: no |
| 20:51.44 | Danar | i have 2 HDDs & a DVD burner |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | dpkg -l :) |
| 20:51.48 | dpkg | ii : 2.1-1.2 abrotman's private porn collection|No packages found matching :)) |
| 20:51.48 | x0563511 | what is the best mirror for the Eastern USA? |
| 20:51.51 | chealer | how to see what's making a ressource busy? |
| 20:51.53 | Danar | something should be |
| 20:51.55 | greycat | FlopsyPete: your closest approximation will be ls -lart /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 20:52.01 | greycat | x0563511: http.us.debian.org |
| 20:52.06 | jetscreamer | clusty it thinks it's ext2. delete the journal maybe (i forget exactly what the workaround is) |
| 20:52.08 | greycat | chealer: fuser, lsof |
| 20:52.19 | abrotman | x0563511: where in E US? |
| 20:52.25 | resiak | liran: Google for iptables tutorial ? |
| 20:52.33 | x0563511 | greycat: could you be kind enough to give me the line to add in sources.list (im using sarge)? |
| 20:52.34 | clusty | jetscreamer: how safe is that and how do i do it? |
| 20:52.35 | greycat | abrotman: doesn't matter all that much :) |
| 20:52.37 | x0563511 | abrotman: northern |
| 20:52.42 | greycat | x0563511: just run apt-setup |
| 20:52.46 | abrotman | greycat: well .. if he goes to school at MIT .. it would :) |
| 20:52.50 | x0563511 | ah |
| 20:52.54 | jetscreamer | clusty, man parted or something, google... i just dimly remember |
| 20:53.06 | chealer | thx greycat |
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| 20:53.16 | resiak | liran: I can't remember, but I |
| 20:53.21 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: dial up sucks |
| 20:53.22 | resiak | liran: 'm just suggesting ways you could find out. |
| 20:53.25 | x0563511 | Is it better to use HTTP or FTP for apt? |
| 20:53.27 | Danar | clusty, fsck it |
| 20:53.29 | greycat | HTTP |
| 20:53.55 | x0563511 | Really? i thought ftp was a better file protocol |
| 20:53.59 | jetscreamer | !tell clusty about ext3->ext2 |
| 20:54.00 | abrotman | http |
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| 20:54.09 | greycat | HTTP is superior to FTP for every single application except communicating with legacy crap, or browsing directories |
| 20:54.20 | x0563511 | oh |
| 20:54.28 | reed_ | Or uploading reliably. |
| 20:54.30 | clusty | thanx. will try now |
| 20:54.39 | abrotman | greycat: though .. multithreaded FTP apps are fun for many files from a single site |
| 20:54.43 | jetscreamer | man tune2fs |
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| 20:54.46 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 20:54.57 | greycat | abrotman: sounds malicious. |
| 20:55.06 | x0563511 | any other mirrors i should add? ive got a 15-disk sarge set already configured |
| 20:55.11 | greycat | abrotman: surely the FTP site's admin would greatly prefer you to download them serially. |
| 20:55.24 | greycat | s/you to/that you/ |
| 20:55.27 | FlopsyPete | greycat: cheers |
| 20:55.28 | abrotman | greycat: there used to be an app called leechFTP for win32 .. you could start up to .. 16 different download threads i think |
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| 20:56.01 | abrotman | greycat: it depends .. if it's a totally public server .. i'd agree .. but if it's a closed/login ftp .. they know you're coming :) |
| 20:56.02 | x0563511 | resiak: because woody wouldnt work right, and the machine i wanted to install it to had no network access untill ndiswrapper was installed (that was on a custom CD i made earlier) |
| 20:56.06 | jetscreamer | he's making memorabilia |
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| 20:56.11 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: LeechFTP is being re-written, for Win32 and GNU/Linux. see the forum for the developer's notes on it as he does it |
| 20:56.14 | x0563511 | resiak: only took me 3 hours. |
| 20:56.22 | jetscreamer | you only need one full cd dude |
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| 20:56.27 | greycat | pegasus:~$ echo $(wc -l </etc/ban; grep -c /16 /etc/ban) |
| 20:56.27 | greycat | 400 19 |
| 20:56.30 | resiak | x0563511: Aaah. |
| 20:56.39 | x0563511 | well, while i as there i thought i might as well. |
| 20:56.39 | greycat | That's what people who flood my HTTP logs with "503" get. |
| 20:56.43 | p30n | how do i install X or kde |
| 20:56.46 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: what forum? |
| 20:56.53 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: you mean the Jan guy? |
| 20:56.58 | greycat | !FAQ p30n |
| 20:56.58 | dpkg | p30n: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 20:57.15 | jetscreamer | apt-get install x-window-system kde |
| 20:57.17 | Danar | p30n, apt-get install x-window-system |
| 20:57.25 | abrotman | or send him to the FAQ! |
| 20:57.27 | tarzeau | i'd add -core to the x-window stuff |
| 20:57.37 | tarzeau | and definitely drop "kde" |
| 20:57.38 | p30n | ok |
| 20:57.45 | abrotman | FlopsyPete: got a URL? |
| 20:57.48 | Danar | tarzeau, why drop kde? |
| 20:57.49 | p30n | why does it says the cahnnel demigods have stolen my voice? |
| 20:57.52 | greycat | tarzeau: that would make it hard to answer "how do I install kde" :) |
| 20:57.53 | p30n | on my debian box |
| 20:57.53 | x0563511 | HOLY CRAP! almost everything i have installed has a new version |
| 20:57.59 | resiak | x0563511: Yes. |
| 20:58.01 | jetscreamer | because you are spam |
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| 20:58.07 | tarzeau | or assumes one of both |
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| 20:58.14 | greycat | x0563511: that's why downloading testing CDs is a waste. |
| 20:58.20 | tarzeau | so if he gets x, he's happy and doesn't want kde |
| 20:58.25 | abrotman | x0563511: that's what happens |
| 20:58.37 | paulswm | Danar: the prevailing opinion here seems to be that the k in kde stands for krappy |
| 20:58.38 | Danar | tarzeau, why's it a good thing to not want kde? |
| 20:58.44 | x0563511 | well, im a data-packrat... so |
| 20:58.45 | p30n | it would be a lot easier if i could chat from the other box instead of running between these two boxes |
| 20:58.46 | abrotman | paulswm: good assumption :) |
| 20:58.48 | jetscreamer | no, kde is a four letter word |
| 20:58.52 | Danar | paulswm, heh, i get that impression |
| 20:58.52 | jetscreamer | but it does work well |
| 20:58.58 | greycat | p30n: you were probably trying to IRC as root. |
| 20:59.01 | elnovato | curse you KDE!! |
| 20:59.02 | x0563511 | fluxbox works VERY nice if you can learn to use it |
| 20:59.09 | Danar | but kde is good now :P |
| 20:59.09 | jetscreamer | icewm is cool |
| 20:59.12 | x0563511 | it can run all the KDE programs |
| 20:59.12 | p30n | greycat: yup so i shouldnt dothat |
| 20:59.13 | jetscreamer | gnome is good |
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| 20:59.16 | jetscreamer | kde is good |
| 20:59.21 | x0563511 | so... im using Kirc in fluxbox |
| 20:59.22 | jetscreamer | they all have their points |
| 20:59.22 | p30n | well i couldnt install bitchx without being root |
| 20:59.24 | tarzeau | resiak: haha |
| 20:59.24 | paulswm | Danar: I have to agree, prefer gnome, but minimalists will says that's Grappy |
| 20:59.25 | abrotman | blackbox! |
| 20:59.26 | x0563511 | and its blisteringly fast |
| 20:59.28 | resiak | XFce is good. We've all just recommended everything. |
| 20:59.30 | Danar | lol |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | !ratpoison |
| 20:59.37 | dpkg | ratpoison is probably the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net for more info The WM with No Flashy Wank! |
| 20:59.38 | x0563511 | ! |
| 20:59.39 | p30n | tell me, X or KDE? |
| 20:59.40 | x0563511 | TWM |
| 20:59.41 | x0563511 | dont forget that |
| 20:59.51 | jetscreamer | you need 'x' to run kde |
| 20:59.51 | MerlinCo1ey | dpkg: seen scarynetworkguy |
| 20:59.53 | dpkg | scarynetworkguy is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 24272 messages. Is idling for 5h 42m 24s |
| 20:59.55 | resiak | p30n: We told you. |
| 20:59.56 | jetscreamer | or anything |
| 21:00.00 | paulswm | !start a dm war |
| 21:00.02 | dpkg | startx is a PITA to configure! |
| 21:00.02 | Danar | gahan, xfce is annoying. it screwed up on me and now it won't work right. even if i uninstall it, purge config files, and reinstall, it's still messed |
| 21:00.02 | Delph | evidently not. |
| 21:00.04 | jetscreamer | you need x, and something |
| 21:00.09 | elnovato | p30n: GNOME!! |
| 21:00.14 | Danar | darnit, it keeps changing my words to nicks |
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| 21:00.21 | Danar | gahan = gah |
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| 21:00.36 | p30n_ | now i can talk right? |
| 21:00.39 | MerlinCo1ey | Danar: quit pressing tab after each word ^_^ |
| 21:00.43 | abrotman | resiak: i thought i was man? |
| 21:00.44 | greycat | p30n: WHAT? WHO SAID THAT? |
| 21:00.45 | paulswm | !confuse elnovato |
| 21:00.45 | dpkg | No, those is their gerbil yesterday, elnovato? lederhosen of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 21:00.46 | Delph | Danar: just get your client to require a tab... |
| 21:00.47 | Danar | MerlinCo1ey, i didn't... |
| 21:00.50 | resiak | abrotman: On my box, abrot is man. |
| 21:00.53 | MerlinCo1ey | !openbox |
| 21:00.54 | dpkg | from memory, openbox is blackbox, but leeter. http://www.openbox.org, or better than fluxbox. |
| 21:00.55 | abrotman | resiak: oh ok |
| 21:00.57 | MerlinCo1ey | :P |
| 21:00.59 | p30n_ | greycat: woopie :) |
| 21:01.03 | bbhill | !fluxbox |
| 21:01.03 | dpkg | [fluxbox] a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features |
| 21:01.04 | resiak | abrotman: I have you in two different forms! |
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| 21:01.11 | abrotman | i'm gelatin! |
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| 21:01.26 | tarzeau | ladies and gentlemen. this is not about window managers |
| 21:01.28 | reed_ | That's the best part about blackbox. That it has minimal functionality. |
| 21:01.30 | MerlinCorey | only thing I don't have under openbox right now is a dock... and I'm looking for scarynetworkguy to figure out what dock HE'S using |
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| 21:01.34 | greycat | tarzeau: give up :) |
| 21:01.34 | MerlinCorey | :/ |
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| 21:02.34 | Danar | ok, how about somebody help me get a WM working? |
| 21:02.36 | Danar | :p |
| 21:02.43 | paulswm | !start a wm war |
| 21:02.43 | dpkg | X sucks! |
| 21:02.45 | abrotman | surface scan in linux? |
| 21:02.48 | Danar | every time i try to log in, i get sent back to the login screen |
| 21:02.49 | FlopsyPete | abrotman: I forget his name, the LeechFTP forum |
| 21:02.49 | FlopsyPete | is there any reason to install x-window-system rather than x-window-system-core on a desktop computer? |
| 21:02.56 | x0563511 | I dont know why people say linux isnt good for the desktop. im not having any trouble learning, and i only use the terminal when i need to do something exactly the way i want it done (editing conf files, for example) |
| 21:03.00 | greycat | Danar: apt-get install fvwm; apt-get remove xdm kdm gdm; echo fvwm > ~/.xsession; startx |
| 21:03.09 | chealer | what do you think about this problem? : # fuser -v ~chealer/smb4k/yo |
| 21:03.10 | chealer | /home/chealer/smb4k/yo: Input/output error (it's a samba mount) |
| 21:03.16 | Danar | greycat: that's not nice |
| 21:03.25 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: x-window-system is a metapackage, installes most (if not all) of the X stuff. Core will only install the core. |
| 21:03.29 | greycat | Danar: I disagree. |
| 21:03.32 | tarzeau | x0563511: these days some morons make XML config files! |
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| 21:03.48 | Danar | greycat: if i didn't know what that would do, i'd have done it and been pissed |
| 21:03.57 | greycat | tarzeau: well, on *that* point we agree firmly. |
| 21:04.13 | x0563511 | i remember some ancient windows programs that used bits for conf items... try to open the conf file (in a standard windows .cfg file, no less) you get byte soup |
| 21:04.19 | greycat | Danar: why would it piss you off to use a normal, sane, intuitive, working environment? |
| 21:04.20 | zebedee | Hi all. I upgraded my Sarge install yesterday, and have been having problems since. Now, I have to run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' after every reboot to get my keyboard to work in X. |
| 21:04.20 | MerlinCorey | Danar: it installs fvwm removes dms, sets fvwm to run, and starts x |
| 21:04.21 | x0563511 | XML isnt that bad compared to that |
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| 21:04.30 | zebedee | Is anyone else experiencing this? |
| 21:04.35 | tarzeau | x0563511: you must be blind! |
| 21:04.37 | Danar | MerlinCorey: i know what it does, that's why i'm not doing it |
| 21:04.48 | greycat | clearly he's not interested in results. |
| 21:04.52 | paulswm | greycat: normal and sane are concepts relative to one's own sanity, not absolutes :) |
| 21:04.53 | MerlinCorey | apparently |
| 21:05.12 | Danar | greycat: because i already have an environment configured the way i like it ATM, and i just want to get into it, not switch to another one (which also wouldn't work due to my problem) |
| 21:05.23 | greycat | and what problem would that be? |
| 21:05.24 | x0563511 | zebedee: your XF86Conf-4 file may need to be fixed. Follow the gentoo-handbook's desktop tutorials, that teaches you how to write the file from scratch |
| 21:05.40 | x0563511 | it should work in debian the same way |
| 21:05.41 | Danar | greycat: i can't log in. every time i do, x restarts and i'm back at the login screen |
| 21:05.56 | greycat | Danar: so don't use xdm. use startx instead. and if X *still* dies, read the log file. |
| 21:05.59 | bucky | how many window managers are there now, strictly speaking, ie. metacity, wmaker, etc.. |
| 21:06.01 | elnovato | whos gentoo? |
| 21:06.01 | Danar | i can only log in in text mode |
| 21:06.10 | greycat | Danar: GREAT! Then my solution *works*! |
| 21:06.13 | FlopsyPete | x0563511: I know what different packages there are betwene them, I was wondering if they were useful packages to have? |
| 21:06.21 | Danar | greycat: done that. log file has no EE errors, just warnings |
| 21:06.22 | x0563511 | its a distro. you build everything from source, insanely customizable and hard |
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| 21:06.31 | greycat | Danar: what's in your .xsession or .xinitrc file? |
| 21:06.32 | MerlinCorey | Danar: so go DMless |
| 21:06.37 | greycat | (well, for xdm, it would be ONLY .xsession) |
| 21:06.37 | Danar | greycat: what soln? lol |
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| 21:06.44 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: unless your limited on HD space, it really wont hurt to have them handy |
| 21:06.45 | MerlinCorey | Danar: the DMless one |
| 21:06.56 | MerlinCorey | Danar: you have short term memory? |
| 21:07.00 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 21:07.08 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: if you get core, make sure you get either KDM or GDM, depending on your preference |
| 21:07.14 | greycat | Danar: you're not helping us fix your problem. |
| 21:07.20 | Danar | doesn't solve my inability to log into my WMs |
| 21:07.28 | bucky | MerlinCorey, he's got the ism - incredibly short memory |
| 21:07.30 | greycat | Danar: at the moment, if there's no X errors, it sounds to *me* like you have a fucked up .xsession file. |
| 21:07.39 | Danar | checking |
| 21:07.42 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: anything missing, the Gnome and KDE packages should get it all automatically as dependencies |
| 21:07.43 | greycat | (or .gnomerc or whatever) |
| 21:07.44 | MerlinCorey | bucky: ah, indeed |
| 21:07.44 | zebedee | x0563511: didn't change anything other than upgrade packages, so I can't see what would have broken it. In addition, when I run 'dpkg-reconfigure ...', I select the pre-selected choices, and X works fine afterward |
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| 21:07.54 | greycat | since you didn't even confirm whether you run xdm, it's hard to tell. |
| 21:07.56 | paulswm | Danar: your user has write permission on ~/.,xsession-errors? |
| 21:08.00 | Thaiger | At random times X closes out and I get kicked back to the login screen and then if I try to switch to a VC I just get a green stripe across the screen, I have had this problem in the past, but reinstalled recently and now its happening very often |
| 21:08.01 | paulswm | s/,// |
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| 21:08.07 | elnovato | gentoo is for noobs |
| 21:08.13 | x0563511 | zebedee: odd. cant help you with that, sorry |
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| 21:08.21 | greycat | elnovato: just use Debian. |
| 21:08.37 | elnovato | i luv my debian |
| 21:08.38 | abrotman | Thaiger: DPMS? |
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| 21:08.51 | Thaiger | abrotman: sorry, what? |
| 21:08.57 | x0563511 | Not bad... streaming DI.FM, IRCing, apt-ing at ~ 200kbps, all over a bad/poor quality 802.11g connection. |
| 21:08.58 | abrotman | Thaiger: does your screensaver kick on first? |
| 21:08.59 | Danar | paulswm: yeah |
| 21:09.03 | MerlinCorey | oooh docker sounds nice |
| 21:09.05 | zebedee | x0563511: Fair enough. Thanks. Do you know which programs / services might alter the cfg file on start-up? |
| 21:09.35 | Thaiger | No, I don't use one, once I tried to start it manually and that happened, but most of the time its when I'm in the middle of doing other things |
| 21:09.36 | x0563511 | zebedee: no idea, but poke around /etc/init.d (those are the scripts used in runlevels) and the rc#.d dirs. |
| 21:09.37 | Danar | /etc/init.d/xprint: 531: Syntax error: Bad substitution |
| 21:09.41 | Danar | that's it |
| 21:09.47 | abrotman | Thaiger: did you check the logs? |
| 21:09.51 | greycat | ok, you know where to start poking it. |
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| 21:09.54 | sleon|lap | hi |
| 21:09.54 | mAIJK | Is woody the newest debian distrb? woody-i386-1.iso ? Is there a new debian soon? Or is this new? |
| 21:09.54 | paulswm | Danar: hah |
| 21:09.59 | greycat | mAIJK: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:10.01 | x0563511 | zebedee: the rc#.d (# is the runlevel) dirs contain links to those scripts. |
| 21:10.06 | Thaiger | abrotman: yes, been checking them, haven't been seeing any errors |
| 21:10.18 | MerlinCorey | mAIJK: it's the currently stable, thus, the oldest |
| 21:10.19 | sleon|lap | iface eth1 inet dhcp i have this line in the interfaces file |
| 21:10.21 | sleon|lap | but |
| 21:10.21 | abrotman | Thaiger: and check /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 21:10.33 | Danar | i don't even want xprint damnit |
| 21:10.34 | sleon|lap | when i do ifup eth1 i get only ip and gateway updated |
| 21:10.45 | sleon|lap | but resolv.conf is not updated |
| 21:10.50 | Thaiger | abrotman: Thats the log I checked, no errors |
| 21:10.54 | sleon|lap | how to make it update resolv.conf? |
| 21:10.56 | mAIJK | Wich should I install if I want it to work goob and dont have to old things? :D |
| 21:10.57 | Danar | any other ideas greycat? |
| 21:11.08 | sleon|lap | it does it only when i run dhcpcd-bin manualy |
| 21:11.12 | sleon|lap | ideas? |
| 21:11.13 | MerlinCorey | mAIJK: on a desktop, sarge. /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:11.19 | abrotman | Thaiger: ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 21:11.42 | Thaiger | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: Registering your session with wtmp and utmp |
| 21:11.43 | Thaiger | /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default: running: /usr/bin/X11/sessreg -a -w /var/log/wtmp -u /var/run/utmp -x "/var/lib/gdm/:0.Xservers" -h "" -l ":0" "fenrir" |
| 21:11.43 | Thaiger | /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... |
| 21:11.43 | Thaiger | Failed to load groupfile: |
| 21:11.43 | Thaiger | BScreen::BScreen: managing screen 0 using visual 0x21, depth 16 |
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| 21:11.43 | x0563511 | any advice on a good unanoyying IRC client? I hate this KIrc |
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| 21:11.56 | pw | x0563511: xchat |
| 21:11.57 | dvs | x0563511: I like xchat |
| 21:12.01 | x0563511 | ty |
| 21:12.02 | Ronin | x0563511: cant go wrong with irssi |
| 21:12.03 | MerlinCorey | x0563511: irssi-text in screen |
| 21:12.03 | Thaiger | Sorry, didn't mean to do that ^_^ |
| 21:12.10 | smurfd | Question, anyone using Testing/Sarge and Evolution?! The calendar isnt working as it should. Cant add a meeting. |
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| 21:12.37 | abrotman | !tell Thaiger about paste |
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| 21:12.44 | elnovato | are we comunists? |
| 21:12.54 | abrotman | communists |
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| 21:13.11 | bbhill | ubuntu is for commies not debian |
| 21:13.17 | Danar | lol |
| 21:13.24 | FlopsyPete | x0563511: cool. I get gnome and gdm. (tasksel's 'desktop system' installs x-window-system-core) |
| 21:13.28 | xam | commuters |
| 21:13.33 | Pred1 | !find libasound |
| 21:13.34 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libasound' (4 shown): libasound2 ;; libasound2-dev ;; libasound2-doc ;; libasound2-plugins. |
| 21:13.36 | Thaiger | abrotman: I get things that seem minotr like Error creating stylemenu and failed to read session.screen0.toolbar.autoHide |
| 21:13.38 | x0563511 | im grabbing xchat and irssi-text. Is the text based easy to use? |
| 21:13.40 | Thaiger | the rest is just warnings |
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| 21:14.01 | abrotman | Thaiger: maybe #xfree86 might have a better answer .. also check BTS |
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| 21:14.28 | Thaiger | abrotman: BTS? |
| 21:14.32 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: there you go. I chose KDE and removed all gnome-related packages, and i use the Fluxbox environment. It can run any KDE app, Gnome app i think, and anything added to the KDE menues shows in the fluxbox menus. Gnome might do that too. |
| 21:14.38 | Pred1 | !find glib 1.2.0 |
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| 21:15.04 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: fluxbox is very fast, uses little memory and CPU |
| 21:15.07 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: and is graphical. looks nice, too |
| 21:15.15 | ralfWORK | uhm |
| 21:15.21 | ralfWORK | ok I have apt-listbugs installed |
| 21:15.27 | abrotman | !tell Thaiger about bts |
| 21:15.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'glib 1.2.0' returned no results. |
| 21:15.30 | Danar | anyone have any idea why i can't log into a WM? |
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| 21:15.44 | x0563511 | Danar: as a user or root? |
| 21:15.47 | Danar | user |
| 21:15.48 | ralfWORK | are these bugs it's showing me things that will get fixed when I upgrade, or things that will become problems when I upgrade? |
| 21:15.53 | Danar | i forgot to try root |
| 21:15.56 | sophacles | hi all. i have a question about my system sensors... |
| 21:16.04 | Danar | actually, no i think i did before |
| 21:16.07 | Danar | either |
| 21:16.08 | sophacles | i cant seem to make them work |
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| 21:16.25 | x0563511 | Danar: no idea. only problem ive had is a default setting disallowed root from logging in to anything but TTYs |
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| 21:16.37 | x0563511 | Danar: and that was intentional, on the distro's part. |
| 21:16.41 | Danar | yeh |
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| 21:16.56 | Danar | well, when i try to log in, x restarts and i get dumped back at the login screen |
| 21:16.56 | paulswm | x0563511: and what an excellent default it is, too |
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| 21:17.23 | x0563511 | paulswm: actually, a better default is like Ubuntu's - root is disabled, you need to use su or sudo |
| 21:17.31 | takatumi | Danar: check for lines with EE in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 21:17.40 | Danar | takatumi: none. just WW |
| 21:17.42 | x0563511 | paulswm: the root account is completely suppressed (cant do anything with it) |
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| 21:18.13 | Danar | (WW) VESA(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xe0000000,0x8000000) |
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| 21:18.25 | paulswm | x0563511: not sure that's a good default, but certainly secure and a good idea |
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| 21:18.45 | takatumi | Danar: dumped back to the gdm/kdm login screen? or the console? |
| 21:18.45 | xam | Danar: seems consistent with the MTRR warning/error message |
| 21:19.00 | Danar | xam, yeh |
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| 21:19.10 | apnea | paulswm: what's wrong with it ? |
| 21:19.21 | Danar | takatumi: back to the graphical login screen where i can choose which WM to use |
| 21:19.22 | xam | Danar: should only make graphics access less fast than it could be |
| 21:19.28 | x0563511 | paulswm: well, simply su -c 'passwd root' would re-enable root... but the login manager still wouldnt let you log into KDE/Gnome/Whatever as root. but that was also easy to change |
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| 21:19.45 | Danar | xam, hrm |
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| 21:20.01 | Danar | any idea why i might be unable to login? |
| 21:20.02 | mne | how can I enter some ascii code in the shell ? I mean like on dos where you can press the "Alt" Key and type in the ascii code ... |
| 21:20.06 | x0563511 | Are there any good GUI tools for configuring IPTables? |
| 21:20.19 | Motoko | I'm want to buy an enclosure for an external HDD and I was curious what chipsets are good for linux compatability |
| 21:20.20 | greycat | x0563511: no |
| 21:20.21 | x0563511 | thats a good question mne - i want to know too |
| 21:20.29 | davFr | question : what is the best package (or way) to create a bootable floppy/cd with a home-compiled kernel ? |
| 21:20.38 | apnea | x0563511: I don't know at what level are you asking for but firestarter was popular |
| 21:20.38 | x0563511 | greycat: there should be |
| 21:20.38 | paulswm | apnea: just personal opinion |
| 21:20.40 | greycat | davFr: mkboot, or just plain ol' cp. |
| 21:20.43 | mne | x0563511, if i find something in the next hour i'll tell you ;) |
| 21:20.45 | Motoko | like does anyone know if this one is good: http://www.pcmicrostore.com/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:10502162? |
| 21:20.47 | apnea | paulswm: ok |
| 21:20.48 | Danar | x0563511: there's guarddog, but i don't know if i'd say it's good |
| 21:20.56 | greycat | x0563511: no, people who are building firewalls should KNOW what they are doing and should NOT use a gui crutch. |
| 21:21.04 | FieldySnuts | @win greycat |
| 21:21.07 | ravenbird | Congratulations, greycat! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:21.09 | apnea | yes shorewall is nice enough |
| 21:21.23 | fatal__ | davFr: I wrote the boot floppies, mounted them and replaced the kernel.... worked for me, but that was ages ago..... |
| 21:21.28 | x0563511 | good pont greycat, im migrating from windows, so im spoiled |
| 21:21.33 | davFr | greycat : mkrboot, ok. |
| 21:21.43 | paulswm | mne: you mean enter ascii code using a text editor into a text file like a shell script? |
| 21:21.44 | takatumi | x0563511: try firehol, no gui, but scripting is pretty easy. |
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| 21:21.55 | x0563511 | i just want a firewall on this machine, so packets passed by my ICS windows box wont get somewhere i dont want |
| 21:22.08 | mne | paulswm, no, directly in the shell |
| 21:22.10 | abrotman | don't use windows ICS .. problem solved |
| 21:22.13 | p30n | what was the command for apt-get to get those n00b menus ? |
| 21:22.15 | x0563511 | i have to |
| 21:22.15 | Danar | paulswm: he means like at any input like with windows. you can type any char via the numpad |
| 21:22.23 | x0563511 | long story, but i have no choice |
| 21:22.25 | abrotman | p30n: tasksel ? |
| 21:22.31 | p30n | yea thx |
| 21:22.32 | abrotman | x0563511: AOL huh? |
| 21:22.35 | davFr | fatal_ : what do you mean by "wrote the boot floppies", you mean the installation floppy? I would like to boot a custom kernel without crashing my MBR, etc. |
| 21:22.35 | x0563511 | nope |
| 21:22.36 | Motoko | anyone? |
| 21:22.39 | mne | paulswm, so that you can use some ascii code e.g. in your passwd |
| 21:22.39 | x0563511 | neighbors wireless |
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| 21:22.49 | abrotman | x0563511: nice .. i'm telling your mom :) |
| 21:22.51 | x0563511 | the wireless card wont work with NDISWRAPPER or anything |
| 21:23.02 | p30n_ | how do i multitask from bitchx to the terminal and back? |
| 21:23.08 | fatal__ | davFr: rawrite.exe ... as the installation docs describe.. |
| 21:23.12 | sami__ | source.list is the name huh? and supposed to be in /etc? |
| 21:23.21 | cat | p30n_: /window new hide and then /server +newserver.com |
| 21:23.22 | greycat | sources.list |
| 21:23.24 | apnea | mne: alt trick works on console |
| 21:23.30 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.33 | abrotman | x0563511: if you live far enough north .. they might feed you to the moose |
| 21:23.34 | xam | sami: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:23.36 | Danar | anyone know what might cause x to restart immediately upon login? |
| 21:23.38 | mne | apnea, not here ... |
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| 21:23.50 | x0563511 | abrotman: well, that, or pay $80+ a month for substandard cable. Adelphia is a monopoly up here |
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| 21:23.52 | jetscreamer | danar, chown ~ |
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| 21:24.10 | abrotman | x0563511: up where? .. I thought comcast owned the NE |
| 21:24.16 | x0563511 | ME |
| 21:24.18 | fatal__ | davFr: I created the boot floppies as described in the installation document, compiled a custom kernel on an already working machine, mounted the bootfloppies and replaced the kernel, umount and boot ..... |
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| 21:24.25 | x0563511 | we got verizon DSL, but that is hardly worth mentioning |
| 21:24.25 | sami__ | and apt-get update then apt-get upgrade ? |
| 21:24.25 | davFr | fatal_ : my debian is already installed, with a kernel from Sarge. But i want to compile my own kernel, and test it from a floppy without reinstalling lilo or upgrading grub. Last time I did it , it failed. |
| 21:24.29 | p30n_ | how do i get back to the shell? |
| 21:24.29 | abrotman | x0563511: really .. where .. my mom lives near Belfast/Camden |
| 21:24.33 | paulswm | mne: I suppose it would be \nnn for octal \xHH for hex or \cx for control-x |
| 21:24.35 | x0563511 | Waterville area |
| 21:24.37 | Danar | jetscreamer: i doubt it's that, but i'll check. any other ideas? |
| 21:24.42 | cat | sami__: apt-get update |
| 21:24.43 | cat | thats it |
| 21:24.44 | dvs | p30n: Alt-F1? |
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| 21:24.47 | abrotman | x0563511: ah .. not too far .. that's where i bought my car |
| 21:24.47 | p30n_ | thx |
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| 21:24.52 | sami__ | cat: nothing more? |
| 21:24.56 | takatumi | p30n_: crtl-alt-F1 |
| 21:24.57 | cat | no |
| 21:25.03 | jetscreamer | Danar, ls -l ~/.ICE* |
| 21:25.03 | apnea | mne: is the box woody? |
| 21:25.03 | mne | paulswm, i'll try it :) |
| 21:25.04 | sami__ | cat: thanks |
| 21:25.09 | davFr | fatal_ : ah, ok, thanks for the details. And you said it was some time ago, about how long please? |
| 21:25.14 | p30n_ | what is tty1 2 3 etc ? |
| 21:25.15 | mne | apnea, debian sid |
| 21:25.18 | cat | np |
| 21:25.22 | x0563511 | abrotman: things are getting better. we are getting a superwalmart, we got a digital theater, oakland is getting a T-Mobile call center, ect. |
| 21:25.26 | jetscreamer | p30n, consoles |
| 21:25.31 | p30n_ | ok |
| 21:25.35 | fatal__ | davFr: it was the woody bootfloppies IIRC. |
| 21:25.48 | x0563511 | abrotman: theater is open now, superwalmart is opening end of month, call center early summer, next year |
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| 21:25.59 | abrotman | x0563511: not bad at all .. it's still pretty desolate around belfast iirc .. i haven't been up in two years |
| 21:26.00 | dvs | x0563511: Oakland? |
| 21:26.11 | x0563511 | little town next to Waterville |
| 21:26.12 | abrotman | oakland , me |
| 21:26.15 | elnovato | are we capitalists? |
| 21:26.18 | paulswm | mne: you'd have to quote them though |
| 21:26.19 | Danar | jetscreamer: .ICEauthority |
| 21:26.21 | abrotman | elnovato: knock it off |
| 21:26.25 | fatal__ | davFr: the custom kernel was before 2.4.3 (that's when the patch was merged that I needed to boot)...... I don't know any dates... |
| 21:26.29 | mrtn | anyone knows what's up with alioth ? |
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| 21:26.33 | abrotman | x0563511: could be worse .. you could be in Calais :) |
| 21:26.34 | FlopsyPete | x0563511: I'll give fluxbox a look then |
| 21:26.35 | bbhill | Debian= For liberals Windows = For capitalists Ubuntu= For communists and Gentoo = Losers |
| 21:26.35 | x0563511 | Could be worse, i could live in Sydney |
| 21:26.35 | elnovato | the whisky... |
| 21:26.36 | Danar | jetscreamer: IceWM isn't my main WM though |
| 21:26.40 | abrotman | whiskey |
| 21:26.41 | paulswm | mne: forget what I said, I don't know |
| 21:26.44 | Danar | i just have it in case i need it |
| 21:26.46 | jetscreamer | Danar, 2 different things |
| 21:26.47 | abrotman | x0563511: heh |
| 21:26.57 | jetscreamer | they just both have the word ice |
| 21:26.57 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: GDM and KDM can use it, choose it from under session or session type |
| 21:27.04 | jetscreamer | so danar how are the permissions on that |
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| 21:27.09 | Pred1 | !find gtk+ |
| 21:27.11 | jetscreamer | and ~/* |
| 21:27.11 | davFr | fatal_ : ok, thanks, I suppose I know every details now, I'll try. Last time, I did a "apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.whatever", created .deb with make-kpkg, installed... and then had to reinstall, the system would not boot. |
| 21:27.13 | dpkg | libgtk+2.0-directfb-udeb-dev: (Development files for the GDK Backend based on DirectFB), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.0.9-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1079 kB, Installed size: 3512 kB |
| 21:27.20 | x0563511 | FlopsyPete: right-click on the desktop for the menu. Exit returns to the login manager. restart restarts fluxbox. |
| 21:27.24 | mne | paulswm, np, I was just interrested since I'm talking with a friend about "secure" passwords rigth now :) |
| 21:27.25 | abrotman | Pred1: i don't tink that's what you want |
| 21:27.26 | elnovato | ok its whisky or whiskey?? last time i said whiskey and i was almost executed |
| 21:27.37 | jetscreamer | ey |
| 21:27.44 | ralfWORK | elnovato: one of them is for american, other is for scottish |
| 21:27.46 | x0563511 | damn aptitude's download progress bars have an ugly color scheme |
| 21:27.46 | abrotman | elnovato: in EU . it's whisky .. in western hemi .. it's whiskey |
| 21:27.54 | ralfWORK | don't remember which is which |
| 21:27.58 | x0563511 | in the south, its Moonshine |
| 21:27.58 | zebedee | x0563511: Found it! A quick dpkg-reconfig of kdm did the trick. No idea why though. |
| 21:28.00 | abrotman | elnovato: check jackdaniels.com |
| 21:28.03 | Delph | western =:) |
| 21:28.10 | Danar | jetscreamer: owner is right |
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| 21:28.20 | cafuego | abrotman: No, it's not. if it's irish it's 'whiskey'. If it's not it's 'whisky'. if it's from the US, it's bourbon (and shit) |
| 21:28.21 | p30n_ | hm, if i choose desktop environment on tasksel, will it install x or some window program? |
| 21:28.21 | x0563511 | zebedee: thats so weird. if you ever can reproduce it, submit a but report |
| 21:28.22 | paulswm | mne: secure = seemingly random alphanumeric char string, I think that's a pretty good definition |
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| 21:28.36 | x0563511 | that was fast - good job apt |
| 21:28.37 | ribnitz | evening |
| 21:28.38 | Delph | cafuego: scottish brands do exist =:) |
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| 21:28.43 | mrtn | mne: what are secure passwords ? |
| 21:28.43 | abrotman | cafuego: jack daniels calls it whiskey .. who am i to argue .. i drink tequila and mez-cal |
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| 21:28.52 | cafuego | Delph: Yes, scottish is "whisky" |
| 21:29.01 | x0563511 | MOOONSHINE! |
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| 21:29.04 | x0563511 | not whisky |
| 21:29.07 | cafuego | abrotman: That's wishful thinking on behalf of jack daniels. |
| 21:29.12 | x0563511 | but still, i prefer good vodka |
| 21:29.16 | abrotman | cafuego: jackdaniels.com calls it whiskey .. that's all i know .. |
| 21:29.25 | xam | I prefer scotch single malt |
| 21:29.25 | cafuego | besides, wtf do they know about whiskey |
| 21:29.27 | mne | paulswm, with added special chars, numbers etc ... the funny thing is if youre using keys that are not on the keyboard :) |
| 21:29.28 | paulswm | idnar: root password: admin - heh |
| 21:29.30 | ralfWORK | xam: amen to that |
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| 21:29.40 | mne | mrtn, passwords that take ages to bruteforce |
| 21:29.41 | apnea | xam: which single malt is that :) |
| 21:29.42 | Danar | jetscreamer: so, any other ideas? |
| 21:29.44 | p30n_ | will tasksel install X or something similar if i choose "desktop environment" ? |
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| 21:29.53 | x0563511 | p30n_: yes |
| 21:29.54 | ribnitz | cafuego: they are american, so nothing? |
| 21:29.57 | p30n_ | k |
| 21:30.02 | elnovato | ok master abrotman |
| 21:30.03 | x0563511 | p30n_: Gnome, i believe |
| 21:30.04 | ribnitz | p30n_: yep |
| 21:30.12 | mrtn | mne: but easy to sniff ;) |
| 21:30.15 | liam | Boooo, it didn't work. |
| 21:30.22 | paulswm | mne: the thing is that special chars may increase the size of your alphabet but it isn't going to phase cracking software |
| 21:30.22 | p30n_ | is gnome ok? |
| 21:30.23 | xam | apnae: I have a (very) small collection. My favourites are ardberg and lagavulin |
| 21:30.26 | Danar | anyone: any ideas? |
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| 21:30.45 | sami__ | is xorg 6.8.x in apt thing |
| 21:30.45 | Pred1 | !find gtk-config |
| 21:30.45 | p30n_ | i just realised didnt select any packages but emailserver the first time when i ran the net-inst |
| 21:30.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtk-config' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/gtk-config) in libdevel/libgtk1.2-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/libgtk1.2-doc/gtk-config.txt.gz) in doc/libgtk1.2-doc. |
| 21:30.52 | cafuego | sami__: No. |
| 21:30.52 | x0563511 | p30n_: its one of the big ones. I prefer something else, but gnome is good for learning linux, ist so widely supported |
| 21:30.53 | lizsac | ohh my poor monochrome |
| 21:30.54 | lizsac | hey |
| 21:31.00 | dan2 | does anybody know of a program that will take audio from audio in, and feed me a fifo |
| 21:31.02 | sami__ | cafuego: what version is out there? |
| 21:31.04 | Danar | paulswm: the number of potential chars increases the possible values exponentially |
| 21:31.05 | lizsac | how do i hide other users processes ? |
| 21:31.05 | dan2 | asg: ping |
| 21:31.12 | lizsac | i can't do it with sysctl |
| 21:31.13 | sami__ | xfree or xorg? |
| 21:31.16 | p30n_ | ok well im gonna do gnome then |
| 21:31.21 | p30n_ | maybe X later |
| 21:31.21 | x0563511 | dan2: fifo? |
| 21:31.22 | lizsac | i just want users to see their own processes |
| 21:31.22 | abrotman | sami__: xfree |
| 21:31.24 | cafuego | !info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 21:31.27 | paulswm | login: root password: admin - prolly not that unusual, heh |
| 21:31.31 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 5577 kB, Installed size: 15568 kB |
| 21:31.38 | cafuego | sami__: There you go. |
| 21:31.43 | x0563511 | who loves default passwords? i do... |
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| 21:32.04 | sami__ | !info x-window-system sarge |
| 21:32.18 | mne | paulswm, usually you define a charset which is to be used for bruteforcing. This charset IMHO usually does not contain some very special ascii chars that are not on the keyboard since the cracker (again usually) does not suppose that they're used :) |
| 21:32.19 | dan2 | x0563511: I know, but whats going to give me the fifo |
| 21:32.20 | dpkg | x-window-system: (X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 147 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 21:32.26 | sami__ | !info x-window-system sid |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | sami__: /msg dpkg |
| 21:32.32 | dpkg | x-window-system: (X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 147 kB, Installed size: 240 kB |
| 21:32.33 | lizsac | i could rearrange my question |
| 21:32.38 | mne | mrtn, if you can sniff, you don't need passwords at all :) |
| 21:32.54 | x0563511 | grr. fluxbox themes wont set backgrounds. had to open the theme file and change the command from "xv <random switches> /image/path" to "fbsetbg -a /path/to/image" |
| 21:33.00 | lizsac | how do i setup my debian to allow users to only see their own processes? |
| 21:33.04 | paulswm | at least Linux users don't normally run as root as opposed to XP users who are prolly *always* running as admin at home |
| 21:33.13 | p30n_ | how do i close a console? and how do i multitask between channels in bitchx? i want to connect to another server and join some channels there |
| 21:33.26 | x0563511 | paulswm: i love it when they use simple passwords, or a password hint. |
| 21:33.55 | lizsac | i love it when they tell you their password |
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| 21:34.04 | x0563511 | paulswm: my passwords would be a bitch to crack. bruteforce is the only answer, and you have to use nearly the whole ascii map |
| 21:34.05 | Danar | anyone have any idea why x would restart when i try to login? |
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| 21:34.13 | paulswm | mne: I understand, my view is just that randomizing the password is probably good enough, you can simply lengthen the password to make it harder |
| 21:34.36 | x0563511 | 16 character alpha-numeric-symbolic randomly generated passwords, baby! |
| 21:34.41 | sami__ | whats the diffrace between unstable and testing? |
| 21:34.43 | lizsac | nobody knows how to make it to where users can only see their own processes? |
| 21:34.45 | mne | paulswm, sure.. On the other hand AFAIK there's nothing like sudo on windows. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't use it :) |
| 21:34.50 | mrtn | mne: so why do you need passwords in the first place ?:P |
| 21:34.54 | p30n_ | how do i close a console? and how do i multitask between channels in bitchx? i want to connect to another server and join some channels there? |
| 21:35.03 | liam | Any ideas why my system would detect a new device '/dev/sg0' but not map it to a drive, e.g '/dev/sda1'?? |
| 21:35.14 | lizsac | p3on together we can just keep asking the same question |
| 21:35.19 | lizsac | or wait let's switch it up |
| 21:35.20 | apnea | liam: using custom kernel? |
| 21:35.26 | x0563511 | sami__: consider unstable as Alpha software. Testing as Beta. Stable as Production |
| 21:35.28 | paulswm | mne: you can set up a user account and log in as that, but XP installation defaults to admin privs, and most folks prolly don't know to change it |
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| 21:35.30 | lizsac | you ask my question and i'll ask yours |
| 21:35.31 | liam | apnea, afraid so :( |
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| 21:35.49 | lizsac | though bitchx is well documented |
| 21:35.50 | apnea | liam: maybe scsi hardisk support isn't enabled |
| 21:35.54 | mne | paulswm, sure, password length is another factor. It's just theoretically. A lot of users use simple passwords liek the name of their dog etc. :) |
| 21:35.57 | x0563511 | Anyone want to know something funny i discovered at my college/ |
| 21:35.59 | p30n | lizsac: yea heh |
| 21:36.01 | apnea | liam: but scsi generic support is |
| 21:36.15 | lizsac | i'm gonna try google again |
| 21:36.18 | takatumi | p30n_: esc <num> to switch channels, /connect server to join multiple servers |
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| 21:36.28 | mne | mrtn, you cannot sniff everything and everywhere ... so passwords _do have_ some use :) |
| 21:36.30 | p30n | takatumi: thank u |
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| 21:36.55 | paulswm | i enjoy people who put all their passwords in a clear text file in ~/passwords or My Documents\Passwords |
| 21:36.58 | apnea | liam: and what's the type of the device |
| 21:37.00 | liam | apnea, such as 'BLK_DEV_SD' |
| 21:37.06 | x0563511 | all my college's workstations (even faculty) run VNC... and they let me read the registry entry where the password is stored. Anyone else know the problem with how VNC stores it's windows password? |
| 21:37.12 | liam | apnea, I think you've hit the nail on the head. :) |
| 21:37.13 | elnovato | maybe we are aliens |
| 21:37.27 | liam | apnea, its my digicam, I can't mount it. |
| 21:37.40 | mne | paulswm, on the other on XP and stuff I think it's not possible to install software and stuff if you're an ordinary user ... You would have to re-login, that's pretty nasty :) |
| 21:37.42 | x0563511 | It's encrypted with DES, but D'oh! it always uses the SAME key. |
| 21:37.50 | apnea | I had same problem before. |
| 21:37.52 | paulswm | mne: yes, that's why I keep saying "seemingly random", i.e. at the very least not a language or 'Rover', 'Fluffy', etc :) |
| 21:37.53 | apnea | liam: ^ |
| 21:37.54 | maurizio | lizsac, I think you have to patch the kernel http://www.grsecurity.net/ |
| 21:38.00 | Danar | i'm unable to log in via x. it just restarts. no errors in /var/log/XFree86.0.log, etc. anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:38.05 | x0563511 | so it took me a 2 minute google and i had the VNC password for my ENTIRE college... |
| 21:38.06 | liam | apnea, d'oh ;) |
| 21:38.12 | lizsac | hrmm |
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| 21:38.21 | ribnitz | Danar: .xsession-errors? |
| 21:38.23 | lizsac | is there a module or something |
| 21:38.26 | Danar | ribnitz: nope |
| 21:38.29 | takatumi | Danar: tried another WM? |
| 21:38.29 | Danar | er |
| 21:38.30 | lizsac | this box has been up for 2 years |
| 21:38.31 | paulswm | mne: well the whole thing's nasty anyway, that's why we're all here running Debian :) |
| 21:38.36 | Danar | takatumi: yes |
| 21:38.38 | apnea | liam: also kernels after 2.6.9 doesn't use scsi for usb (at least) stick memory |
| 21:38.49 | x0563511 | anyone know if that bug is well-known? i was going to report it but it was so easily found, i assumed it was already known |
| 21:38.53 | lizsac | it's running a weird ppcmac kernel |
| 21:38.57 | lizsac | that's booted from the mac side |
| 21:38.58 | mne | paulswm, some time ago I saw that top-100 used passwords (funny thing). And even more funny is that there're quite a lot of people who use them. (like you said) |
| 21:39.00 | ribnitz | x0563511: I hope you otld the admins? |
| 21:39.01 | liam | apnea, its 2.6.9...Does that count? |
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| 21:39.07 | Danar | .xsession-errors has /etc/init.d/xprint: 531: Syntax error: Bad substitution |
| 21:39.10 | mne | paulswm, you got it :) |
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| 21:39.23 | lizsac | last time i tried to build a custom kernel and boot it, it didn't work out too well |
| 21:39.23 | paulswm | mne: most people are dumber than owlshit, is why |
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| 21:39.23 | x0563511 | ribnitz: yes, but they just asked me to not spread it out. you have to locally change the VNC password on each client |
| 21:39.27 | cartel_ | hi all |
| 21:39.28 | apnea | liam: I shouldn't comment on it because I don't know how to mount a digital camera |
| 21:39.35 | ribnitz | x0563511: gah. |
| 21:39.40 | x0563511 | yea. |
| 21:39.44 | cartel_ | can anyone tell me a way i can replicate an LVM volume across network to another host? |
| 21:39.50 | apnea | liam: read dmesg output it will help (after enabling scsi disk support) |
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| 21:39.59 | x0563511 | It's hard to avoid the temptation to tweak around with peoples mice as they type |
| 21:40.01 | liam | apnea, well, I forgot to include scsi disk support and it needs that, so you've been a great help! :p |
| 21:40.02 | ribnitz | x0563511: was like when I had to convince our admins that I didnt send 10k mails to myself. |
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| 21:40.06 | takatumi | liam: is sd_mod loaded or compiled in? |
| 21:40.08 | apnea | liam: no problem |
| 21:40.28 | liam | apnea, after that you just mount it like a normal scsi hdd |
| 21:40.35 | x0563511 | ribnitz: i found a virus in my HS firstclass server. they loved that one. |
| 21:40.46 | apnea | liam: yes |
| 21:41.11 | mne | paulswm, mhm. There are people who are dumb like that, of course. On the other side a lot of users are office-users who just want to type some document and stuff. they have no clue at all |
| 21:41.20 | Danar | i've been trying in here for over an hour, and no one seems able to help me :( |
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| 21:41.25 | ribnitz | any idea how I get smartmontools to run on a mmapped scsi (->SATA) drive? |
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| 21:41.57 | mne | paulswm, so they are not really supposed to know about "secure" practises they should consider |
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| 21:42.16 | ribnitz | they currenlty refuse on the grounds thaz I don't have a scsi adapter |
| 21:42.27 | mne | paulswm, ...but that's another story .. |
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| 21:42.35 | ribnitz | (or rather that there is no drive connected to that) |
| 21:42.37 | mrtn | mne: if you want to use something seriously secure for authentication, use smartcards. |
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| 21:42.50 | Danar | all i want is to log in normally :( |
| 21:43.04 | ribnitz | Danar: as non-root? |
| 21:43.07 | giwe | What can I try if my modem responds to minicom but I get no dialtone whey I dial? |
| 21:43.09 | Danar | i pretty much can't use my computer until i can |
| 21:43.12 | Danar | ribnitz: yes |
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| 21:43.24 | Danar | ribnitz: as either |
| 21:43.28 | x0563511 | mne: ive heard that you can store a special key file on a USB flash drive, and set up the system to refuse root-logins unless that file is present (plugged in) |
| 21:43.41 | x0563511 | i dont remember where i saw that, think it was somewhere on tldp.org |
| 21:43.44 | mne | mrtn, that's no ultimate solution either. You can sniff communication if it's not encrypted. Or the card can be stolen and used. or tampered etc .. |
| 21:43.45 | ribnitz | Danar: root login on graphicvs may be disabled. |
| 21:43.49 | Danar | ribnitz: x just restarts immediately upon login and dumps me back at the login screen |
| 21:43.55 | Danar | ribnitz: nope |
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| 21:44.00 | Delph | x0563511: so as opposed to logging in, they can restart the machine and hit the good old fashioned init=/bin/bash ? |
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| 21:44.04 | mne | x0563511, you're speaking of the root-dongle :) |
| 21:44.05 | Danar | ribnitz: but i'm trying as my reg user |
| 21:44.08 | ribnitz | mne: you can also sniff encrypted comm. |
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| 21:44.25 | Delph | or failing that, pull the drive out and walk away =:) |
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| 21:44.35 | paulswm | mne: I used to use Welsh words as passwords (Welsh looks pretty randomized to an English speaker) till I realized ther's prolly some guy called Ianto running a Welsh-distionary-based cracker out of PontyPridd |
| 21:44.36 | vankos | where can I find mozilla with 128 encryption? |
| 21:44.36 | mrtn | record, and play it back after 20 years and know all about the future president when he was in college downloading pr0n ;) |
| 21:44.45 | ribnitz | Delph: "security". |
| 21:44.50 | mne | ribnitz, sure you can. but if the encryption itself is stable, it can take ages (some ten-thousand years) to get the key. |
| 21:45.09 | mne | paulswm, lol ! |
| 21:45.17 | ribnitz | mne: that was not the question. |
| 21:45.21 | codeine | hi, can somebody tell me what libraries i need to open wma files in k3b? |
| 21:45.26 | kc9ddi | I have a directory on my harddrive that I used debootstrap to make a minimal Debian system on. Is there a way to turn this into a bootable CD? |
| 21:45.41 | ribnitz | paulswm: there are things like pwgen, that should generate random passwords. |
| 21:45.44 | kc9ddi | This would be used for a beowulf cluster, maybe it would be better to use ClusterKnoppix or something instead? |
| 21:45.55 | paulswm | ribnitz: yesy, nice tool |
| 21:45.56 | Danar | ribnitz: so do you have any ideas? |
| 21:46.03 | ribnitz | Danar: nope |
| 21:46.08 | Danar | damn |
| 21:46.11 | Danar | anyone else? |
| 21:46.11 | mne | ribnitz, well, you said that one can sniff encrypted communication and you're right. But in the end you want to get your hands on the plaintext |
| 21:46.19 | pack | codeine i bet google could help you on that front |
| 21:46.22 | ribnitz | mne: true. |
| 21:46.29 | The_Vulture | Danar: presumably you have a .xsession or .xinitrc that isn't sufficient to actually start a window manager.. |
| 21:46.33 | x0563511 | the best security? take the AC cord an remove it from the back of the computer. nothing is completely secure |
| 21:46.35 | The_Vulture | perhaps it's empty |
| 21:46.37 | ribnitz | mne: no one hinders you from sniffing. |
| 21:46.48 | ribnitz | x0563511: wrong. |
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| 21:47.06 | Danar | The_Vulture: it was fine before, and i've done nothing to change it them |
| 21:47.09 | liam | x0563511, No, the best security. Keep it in your head and never write it down. ;) |
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| 21:47.17 | ribnitz | x0563511: a completely secure system will be totally useless. |
| 21:47.19 | x0563511 | liam: you can be made to talk... |
| 21:47.31 | The_Vulture | ribnitz: define "completely secure" in such a way that it is both a reasonable definition, and is possible |
| 21:47.34 | mne | ribnitz, of course not and that's even good liek it is :) |
| 21:47.35 | Delph | x0563511: but nothing says you have to say the same thing as is in your head. |
| 21:47.37 | The_Vulture | ribnitz: in what way was he wrong? |
| 21:47.41 | codeine | pack: yeah i know ;] |
| 21:47.45 | Danar | The_Vulture: perhaps if i delete/rename them and try again? would it create them? |
| 21:47.45 | paulswm | Twll d?n pob Sais (welsh for every Englishman an asshole, sorry, just an example, I love the English) |
| 21:47.53 | x0563511 | true |
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| 21:47.58 | The_Vulture | Danar: it won't create them, but it'll use defaults |
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| 21:48.09 | mrtn | but still, anyonw can access alioth.debian.org ? |
| 21:48.11 | Danar | ok, but it should work? |
| 21:48.11 | Delph | paulswm: you're really pushing the boundaries of Welsh there, aren't you. |
| 21:48.18 | The_Vulture | Danar: might do, yes |
| 21:48.21 | paulswm | Delph: heh |
| 21:48.22 | Delph | paulswm: do it properly and resort to english to swear... |
| 21:48.31 | ribnitz | paulswm: thats inherently insecure. you are not the only welsh speaker. |
| 21:48.33 | Danar | my xinitrc has export KDE_NO_IPV6=1 |
| 21:48.34 | Delph | ... everyone knows we've got a better language for it =:) |
| 21:48.38 | mrtn | it doesn't work for me.. is it a 'planned downtime' or something else ? |
| 21:48.44 | Danar | that's it. it's a fix for something |
| 21:48.50 | x0563511 | navajo in code is pretty secure |
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| 21:49.02 | paulswm | ribnitz: I know, I said that earlier. Anyway, I'lll stop clogging up the channel with OT BS now, sorry |
| 21:49.03 | Danar | .xsession is 1 byte, but appears empty |
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| 21:49.23 | x0563511 | arg! |
| 21:49.27 | mne | so thank's everybody, I've to do some work not. gn8 or have a nice day (whatever timezone you're in) |
| 21:49.37 | x0563511 | wth is everything KDE named Kthis Kthat Krap |
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| 21:49.38 | mne | s/not/now |
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| 21:49.40 | paulswm | mne: bore da |
| 21:49.44 | x0563511 | and the same thing with gnome? |
| 21:49.49 | Danar | x0563511: gnome does it too |
| 21:49.58 | x0563511 | sooo anoying |
| 21:50.01 | abrotman | x0563511: yes.. mostly .. not as bad with gnome .. they kind of realized .. it's retarded |
| 21:50.02 | Danar | bah |
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| 21:50.07 | morbias | I've been trying to install alsa for hours... eve installed it all from source, but get a big string of errors when i try to modprobe. I'm using testing and a 2.6 kernel, with an isa olp3 card. Anyone got an idea how i can fix this? An example error is: |
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| 21:50.08 | giwe | Anyone using snd-intel8x0m? |
| 21:50.11 | morbias | WARNING: Error inserting snd_opl3_lib (/lib/modules/2.6.8-1-386/kernel/sound/drivers/opl3/snd-opl3-lib.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 21:50.20 | x0563511 | just imagine MS doing that |
| 21:50.30 | x0563511 | Word, Woffice, Wower Woint |
| 21:50.40 | apnea | x0563511: but M$ is doing that |
| 21:50.41 | abrotman | x0563511: like MS Paint .. and MS Office and MS Word ? |
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| 21:50.45 | x0563511 | Wuake Wree Wawena |
| 21:50.48 | ribnitz | morbias: looks like worng module. |
| 21:50.48 | apnea | MS Office, MS Word |
| 21:50.52 | Danar | lol |
| 21:50.53 | x0563511 | i think ill stop now |
| 21:51.01 | paulswm | x0563511: very funny, heh |
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| 21:51.29 | x0563511 | I like my Ford Fuck (truck with an f) with Fower Fassist Feering |
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| 21:51.39 | x0563511 | see, its lame no matter what the letter is |
| 21:51.47 | rick77 | what program(s) will be best to use, to configure a redundant debian server ? |
| 21:51.54 | Danar | .oO("I'll never be able to use my computer. :(") |
| 21:51.58 | ribnitz | x0563511: filiosofy is phun? |
| 21:52.02 | x0563511 | lol |
| 21:52.07 | x0563511 | no.. make that fol |
| 21:52.11 | Pep | hola |
| 21:52.12 | morbias | ribnitz: It's the right module for my card :-/ |
| 21:52.23 | ribnitz | morbias: wrong params? |
| 21:52.52 | paulswm | I;m running home built computers, or perhaps I should now call them pomputers |
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| 21:52.55 | ribnitz | Danar: log in in text mode, then startx? |
| 21:52.59 | x0563511 | Maybe application catagories in APT should be further catagorized: Not installed/Games/[KDE] [GNOME] [OTHER] |
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| 21:53.23 | Danar | ribnitz: it just starts x... just like it should. doesn't help me get past the login screen though |
| 21:53.31 | x0563511 | paulswm: scary thing is my name is paul, too |
| 21:53.34 | Danar | x starts just fine. it simply restarts when i try to login |
| 21:53.39 | paulswm | aaargh |
| 21:53.40 | takatumi | x0563511: aptitude? |
| 21:53.43 | morbias | ribnitz: /configure --with-cards=opl3sa2 --with-sequencer=yes --with-isapnp=0 --with-kernel=/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build;make;make install |
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| 21:53.52 | vankos | What browser can I use in sarge that uses 128 encryption? |
| 21:54.01 | x0563511 | takatumi: every package browser seems catagorized |
| 21:54.02 | ribnitz | Danar: non-graphical login (as in no xdm/wdm/kdm...) |
| 21:54.08 | morbias | vankos: mozilla-firefox ? |
| 21:54.10 | x0563511 | but yes aptitude |
| 21:54.15 | xam | vankos: basically every browser: mozilla, firefox, konqueror |
| 21:54.16 | rick77 | I've been looking to a lot of cluster stuff but will like to get the advice from someone that has configured one |
| 21:54.17 | paulswm | vankos: take your pick, I think |
| 21:54.48 | paulswm | vankos: I use firefox and it's certainly 128 bit |
| 21:54.50 | Danar | ribnitz: i can get to the console, i just can't get past the login screen in x |
| 21:55.16 | takatumi | Danar: with startx you shouldn't have a login screen, try starting X with startx |
| 21:55.19 | x0563511 | Danar: make sure you can login in the text console (ctrl-alt-F1) |
| 21:55.20 | ribnitz | Danar: login at the console, kill your ..dm, then startx |
| 21:55.34 | Danar | k |
| 21:55.39 | Danar | i'll mess with that |
| 21:55.43 | x0563511 | Danar: what manager do you have? kdm, gdm, xdm? |
| 21:55.44 | vankos | paulswm, the one that comes default in sarge? I need to use it in ebanking |
| 21:55.48 | Danar | kdm |
| 21:55.54 | x0563511 | log into console as root |
| 21:56.00 | Danar | but then, even if i get in, what about once i reboot? i'll be back in the same situation |
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| 21:56.07 | x0563511 | type '/etc/init.d/kdm stop' |
| 21:56.07 | xam | Danar: usually a sign that 1.) there is something wrong with your window/session manager, or 2.) you ran out of disk space on your home directory |
| 21:56.15 | x0563511 | that will close your X server |
| 21:56.17 | paulswm | vankos: firefox is fine, safer than IE also |
| 21:56.23 | x0563511 | than launch it with startx |
| 21:56.26 | rick77 | anyone that has installed a debian server here ? |
| 21:56.28 | chealer | vankos: sarge ships firefox 1 |
| 21:56.52 | Danar | well, i have space |
| 21:56.54 | x0563511 | if you get TWM, KDE or whatever, its kdm at fault, if not... you should be able to read the error messages now |
| 21:57.28 | Danar | well, i can't log in with IceWM either, and there's no errors |
| 21:57.29 | x0563511 | .. general question. |
| 21:57.37 | x0563511 | at what point can i consider myself no longer a n00b? |
| 21:57.38 | xam | Danar: then perhaps wrong permissions of your home dir, or some of the configuration files of your window/session manager are corrupt. |
| 21:57.51 | Danar | xam, permissions are right |
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| 21:58.04 | seberino | bash question--> $1 and $2 are great to refer to 1st and 2nd args but what if you have a VARIABLE number of args? How capture all of them in a for loop without knowing the count? |
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| 21:58.13 | abrotman | x0563511: when you know more than greycat |
| 21:58.23 | elnovato | are we bateries? |
| 21:58.28 | abrotman | elnovato: shut up already |
| 21:58.35 | neenee | hm. how do i check if i am using shadow passwords? |
| 21:58.36 | Delph | seberino: man bash tells you like, everything. I imagine there's a magic $-variable that does it for you. |
| 21:58.55 | Delph | seberino: its like 60,70 pages long, so it should be in there somewhere. |
| 21:58.55 | neenee | ah |
| 21:58.55 | Erxivi | hola |
| 21:58.57 | neenee | never mind |
| 21:59.03 | neenee | found it (shadowconfig on) |
| 21:59.04 | seberino | Delph: thanks |
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| 21:59.10 | neenee | erxivi: hi there |
| 21:59.16 | x0563511 | neenee: as root, 'cat /etc/passd' if you can read a password hash, its not shadowed |
| 21:59.23 | x0563511 | make that passwd |
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| 21:59.29 | earl3982 | does the 2.6 series kernel still require a package from testing? |
| 21:59.44 | ribnitz | earl3982: yep |
| 21:59.46 | earl3982 | another words, can i run the 2.6 series kernel on stable? |
| 21:59.49 | earl3982 | balls. |
| 21:59.52 | x0563511 | I cant wait for kernel 2.8 |
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| 22:00.00 | neenee | x0563511: thanks :) nope. all mangled in there :) |
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| 22:00.02 | ribnitz | earl3982: nope. not meaningfully. |
| 22:00.05 | abrotman | why? 2.6 is still fucked up |
| 22:00.06 | x0563511 | hell, i cant wait for kernel 3.0 |
| 22:00.25 | earl3982 | when is sarge coming out? gimme a rough estimage |
| 22:00.30 | abrotman | !tell earl3982 about wwsr |
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| 22:00.39 | ribnitz | earl3982: 3-6 months. may also be 9.. |
| 22:00.41 | dobby__ | when i login into my X i have a skript in autostart which mounts a samba share for me. Now i want, that i logout, the share unmounts. Do i have the possibility to write that down in a logout skript? Can someone give me a hint how to do that? |
| 22:00.42 | rick77 | x0563511: the answer lies within |
| 22:00.51 | abrotman | ribnitz: i think xmas gift!! |
| 22:00.59 | x0563511 | rick77: well, yes... but whats the question? |
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| 22:01.21 | rick77 | [16:57] <x0563511> at what point can i consider myself no longer a n00b? |
| 22:01.26 | x0563511 | ah |
| 22:01.29 | rick77 | lol |
| 22:01.40 | x0563511 | within what... |
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| 22:01.46 | neenee | not a clue |
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| 22:01.50 | greg | Anyone here passably knowledgable about ipmi and ipmitool? |
| 22:01.55 | neenee | i'm still a noob with some things, and not to others |
| 22:02.00 | neenee | it doesn't matter |
| 22:02.18 | ribnitz | We are all n00bs. |
| 22:02.20 | rick77 | x0563511: you'll know when the time comes |
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| 22:02.28 | Gumby | I just created a kernel and installed it but when I boot it complains about not being able to find /lib/modules/kernel-version/modules.dep. did I misse something? when/where does modules.dep get created? |
| 22:02.37 | x0563511 | because its getting to the point where i can help some in this channel... |
| 22:02.39 | apnea | gopher users beware, you need to update it |
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| 22:02.44 | x0563511 | yet i still need to ask for help |
| 22:02.47 | rick77 | anyway, anyone knows about redundant servers ? |
| 22:03.02 | greg | rick77: yeah, some |
| 22:03.12 | x0563511 | ... funny, one of the first real things i did after my first linux install - reconfigure the kernel. |
| 22:03.13 | xam | rick77: yes, just by two of them ;) |
| 22:03.20 | paulswm | x0563511: so join the rest of the entire IT world, experts in some things, noobs in others, till the day they die |
| 22:03.20 | x0563511 | now THAT was a big bite, for a complete nub |
| 22:03.25 | rick77 | and what software ? |
| 22:04.14 | stew | rick77: http://ultramonkey.org |
| 22:04.18 | x0563511 | im off, ill be back later probably. |
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| 22:04.36 | greg | rick77, we use lddirectord to have redundant webservers. |
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| 22:04.42 | abrotman | paulswm: i distrust anyone who says they are an expert in anything |
| 22:04.45 | rick77 | stew: thanks let me check |
| 22:04.56 | greg | Anyone know anything at all about IPMI? |
| 22:04.57 | rick77 | greg: thanks |
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| 22:05.02 | abrotman | !ipmi |
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| 22:05.14 | abrotman | !hello |
| 22:05.15 | dpkg | Hi, abrotman! |
| 22:05.17 | abrotman | !ipmi |
| 22:05.20 | abrotman | wtf |
| 22:05.25 | abrotman | !go home |
| 22:06.04 | ribnitz | greg: guh gle? |
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| 22:06.20 | stew | abrotman: home? |
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| 22:06.22 | stew | !buckabeer |
| 22:06.23 | dpkg | from memory, buckabeer is time for abrotman to go .. thursday 5:30pm .. buckabeer at rock bottom |
| 22:06.25 | abrotman | stew: not me |
| 22:06.30 | abrotman | !buckabeer |
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| 22:06.33 | abrotman | yes .. tonigth i go |
| 22:06.36 | abrotman | in 30 or so |
| 22:06.40 | stew | god i wish |
| 22:06.51 | abrotman | stew: don't you own your own company? |
| 22:06.53 | stew | yeah |
| 22:06.59 | stew | getting swamped today |
| 22:06.59 | abrotman | can't you just go? |
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| 22:07.06 | whiny | why put a beer with the penguin on the boot screen ? |
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| 22:07.18 | streuner_ | stew: abrotman wants still to claims the 100k... |
| 22:07.26 | ribnitz | abrotman: owning companies other than your own may be worthwile too.. |
| 22:07.28 | stew | well i still have my own company becuase i don't just run off when i feel like it :) |
| 22:07.32 | AdrianLP | is there anything particularly wrong with using Sun's JDK and JDE under Linux? |
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| 22:07.44 | mage__ | AdrianLP: check java-package |
| 22:07.45 | abrotman | streuner_: engrish? |
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| 22:07.50 | greg | pwning companies will get you arrested. ;) |
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| 22:07.53 | sophacles | does anyone know about how i can get the ddcmon kernel module... it doesnt seem to be included in my /i2c/chips modules |
| 22:08.02 | stew | and "own my own company" really makes it sound like a bigger deal than it is |
| 22:08.04 | ribnitz | AdrianLP: apart from licensing issues, and possible filiosofy things, no |
| 22:08.08 | xogon | Adrian: /msg dpkg java for a lot of info |
| 22:08.11 | abrotman | streuner_: oh .. but others are farther ahead no? |
| 22:08.12 | stew | its really that my wife and i don't wanna get real jovs |
| 22:08.18 | abrotman | !seen abrotman |
| 22:08.18 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (7h 47m 17s). Has said a total of 67863 messages. Is idling for 0s |
| 22:08.19 | stew | s/v/b/ |
| 22:08.25 | greg | Last shot at this: anyone know anything about IPMI? I'm absolutely stumped. |
| 22:08.31 | streuner_ | only 67k, bah :-) |
| 22:08.31 | apnea | greg: google |
| 22:08.39 | abrotman | !seen streuner |
| 22:08.39 | ribnitz | stew: I have a company with like two friends, we also own that. |
| 22:08.39 | dpkg | streuner is currently on #debian (8h 17m 21s). Has said a total of 18076 messages. Is idling for 8h 9m 12s |
| 22:08.44 | abrotman | see .. 20k!! |
| 22:08.49 | xogon | anyone here tried arch linux? |
| 22:08.50 | AdrianLP | mage__: java-package? apt-cache search doesn't seem to see any package of this name. |
| 22:08.51 | pucko | what's the command to tar and gzip a dir and pipe it through scp? (that is, without creating the tar.gz on the local computer) |
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| 22:08.55 | neenee | xogon: me, long ago |
| 22:08.56 | greg | apnea: trust me, I've googled days worth and I haven't found a solution for this. |
| 22:09.00 | The_Vulture | AdrianLP: it's in sid. |
| 22:09.01 | whiny | why put a beer with the penguin on the boot screen ??? |
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| 22:09.05 | iMeXdiAC | when i try to mount a ext3 firewire harddrive the kernel 2.6.10 gives me "abort sbp2 commands" .. although im able to write to the drive .. its extremely slow .. i tried to pass via modprobe arguments to sbp2 (lower speed, serialize) to no avial .. any suggestions (im on ppc) |
| 22:09.08 | apnea | greg: I wish you good luck |
| 22:09.10 | abrotman | xogon: see ... #debian here .. #archlinux farther up the alphabet |
| 22:09.11 | The_Vulture | AdrianLP: haven't we been through this before? |
| 22:09.17 | xogon | neenee: and? did you like it? |
| 22:09.18 | abrotman | whiny: because we drink |
| 22:09.23 | AdrianLP | The_Vulture: ya, I was told to use BLackhawk, which is very old. |
| 22:09.36 | apnea | whiny: you can change or remove it |
| 22:09.38 | The_Vulture | blackdown. And they have 1.4, just not 1.5 *shrugs* |
| 22:09.38 | AdrianLP | The_Vulture: Now I'm asking what's wrong with Sun's own, which I never asked before, and it has been answered now. |
| 22:09.38 | stew | whiny: penguins get thirsty too |
| 22:09.41 | xogon | abrotman: sorry, just curious what someone thought about it from a debian perspective |
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| 22:09.47 | AdrianLP | The_Vulture: Or 5.0 |
| 22:09.49 | neenee | xogon: at the time i did. there were only a handful of users then.. at least, in the irc channel. but i moved on to gentoo after a bit. and now since a week or so debian. |
| 22:09.51 | alamar | where is finger getting its login data from? |
| 22:09.53 | The_Vulture | AdrianLP: 1.5 is 5.0 |
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| 22:09.59 | stew | such nonsense |
| 22:10.01 | The_Vulture | just for shits n giggles |
| 22:10.01 | AdrianLP | The_Vulture: I did not know that. |
| 22:10.04 | lewis | i am trying to lsearch in exim4. it works for email@domain.com, but can I have *@domain.com? |
| 22:10.07 | neenee | greg: google can help you |
| 22:10.13 | The_Vulture | well 1.5 is 5, I don't know that they have ever called it 5.0 |
| 22:10.15 | euchPeR | hi, to make a celeron 478-pin works fine, which type I got to set ? |
| 22:10.15 | alamar | i looked through strace output but couldn`t find an "open" call that opened a file with login data |
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| 22:10.27 | The_Vulture | "J2SE 5" |
| 22:10.28 | abrotman | xogon: you should probably ask #kde .. that was the focus IIRC |
| 22:10.30 | The_Vulture | aka 1.5 |
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| 22:10.50 | whiny | abrotman: why do u drink ? |
| 22:10.55 | ribnitz | euchPeR: pentium-III/Celeron... |
| 22:10.59 | abrotman | whiny: because people like you ask stupid questions |
| 22:11.04 | xogon | abrotman: actually, its supposed to be more for hardcore users, with a packaging system that rivals or surpasses apt |
| 22:11.04 | AdrianLP | The_Vulture: Sun's site calls it 5.0 on the download page. No matter, 1.5, 5.0, as long as I know they are the same. |
| 22:11.08 | |rufius| | euchPeR: i686 or pentium III |
| 22:11.08 | euchPeR | thx ribnitz |
| 22:11.11 | elnovato | somebody said drink ?? |
| 22:11.20 | abrotman | elnovato: talk to whiny |
| 22:11.34 | The_Vulture | AdrianLP: yes, but you'll also notice that the URL of that download page is java.sun.com/j2se/1.5/download.html most likely |
| 22:11.37 | The_Vulture | anyway *shrugS* |
| 22:11.40 | Rot2- | whith the root cant login frome the secrenn |
| 22:11.41 | abrotman | xogon: not arch .. arch was created by Beros .. who left RH because RH kludged KDE so badly |
| 22:11.43 | The_Vulture | get java-package, make-jpkg, etc.. |
| 22:11.43 | elnovato | whiny: are you a drunk? |
| 22:11.46 | abrotman | !archlinux |
| 22:11.49 | Rot2- | why the root cant login frome the secrenn |
| 22:11.55 | whiny | elnovato: talk to abrotman |
| 22:11.58 | ribnitz | how do I get smartmontools to monitor a drive mapped to a scsi disk (sda)? |
| 22:12.01 | abrotman | whiny: go away |
| 22:12.02 | The_Vulture | you might just be able to download the java-package deb from the website, or do a temporary change to sid sources, etc. |
| 22:12.08 | whiny | abrotman: go away |
| 22:12.18 | xogon | abrotman: hmm. that's totally not what i read about it in reviews. |
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| 22:12.37 | hallow | this is my frist time on this looking for some tips |
| 22:12.44 | euchPeR | thx rufius cause pentium IV crashed, can I set it directly from the net-inst cd ? |
| 22:12.44 | abrotman | xogon: maybe the focus has changed .. when it started 2 years ago .. it was after Bero left RH .. after the BlueCurve crap |
| 22:12.45 | AdrianLP | The_Vulture: Does it have many dependecies? My experience in the past is that you get one thing from unstable means getting the 100 cascading dependencies. |
| 22:12.46 | neenee | well, welcome hallow |
| 22:12.51 | stew | elnovato: is the kettle black ;) |
| 22:12.53 | apnea | drinking is the mother of all evil |
| 22:12.55 | ribnitz | hallow: dont be scared. |
| 22:13.09 | whiny | apnea: right |
| 22:13.11 | Atropine | I need to access a virtual machine via the tun0 interface. tun0 has address 192.168.0.98/255.255.255.254 and the virtual machine interface has address 192.168.0.100/255.255.255.254 Al my other interfaces on the host machine are 192.168.0.10 to 192.168.0.15/24 and the gateway to internet it 192.168.0.1 I need the virtual machine to have access to internet and the host machine to have access to the virtual machine., i guess i |
| 22:13.11 | Atropine | have to use the route command... but not sure really... Anyone willing to help on this please... thanks :) |
| 22:13.15 | hallow | im not |
| 22:13.34 | ribnitz | !tell hallow about ask |
| 22:14.07 | [xDCDx] | im using Debian installed on VMWare virtual machine, when I edit files with vi to the local virtual filesystem there is no problem, but when I access the NTFS partition through "VMWare Daemon Host Driver" Vi says "E667: Fsync failed" when I try to write files, while 'nano', 'kate' and other editors work fine |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | xogon: oh shit .. i was wrong i think .. there is Ark and Arch |
| 22:14.17 | [xDCDx] | what should I do to fix this? |
| 22:14.18 | iMeXdiAC | atropine .. i use the tun0 interface as i use vpnc |
| 22:14.35 | iMeXdiAC | and yes a route gets set up |
| 22:14.35 | Atropine | iMeXdiAC: i never heard about vpnc |
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| 22:14.54 | abrotman | xogon: http://www.arklinux.org/ |
| 22:15.00 | [Kaiowa_X] | anyone if there are any sql-server gui in linux? that can connect to a sql-server? |
| 22:15.01 | elnovato | Atropine: guarddog is yer solution |
| 22:15.04 | whiny | what's the difference between a dev/hd* and a dev/dsk* ? |
| 22:15.12 | mrverbose | how can i tell debian to use a proper keyboard layout (no x) |
| 22:15.13 | abrotman | xogon: sorry |
| 22:15.16 | xogon | Atropine: /255.255.255.249 = /29 |
| 22:15.19 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 22:15.20 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 22:15.20 | iMeXdiAC | vpnc is a vpn client that is able to connect to cisco vpns .. without their proprietary client |
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| 22:15.38 | Gumby | I just created a kernel and installed it but when I boot it complains about not being able to find /lib/modules/kernel-version/modules.dep however modules.dep is indeed there... am I missing something?? |
| 22:15.41 | Atropine | xogon: i don't use such a netmask |
| 22:15.47 | stew | xogon: ...248 you mean |
| 22:15.51 | abrotman | xogon: that's wrong |
| 22:16.10 | abrotman | google for netmask .. should come up with something for you |
| 22:16.10 | Atropine | guarddog ? |
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| 22:16.30 | elnovato | !google |
| 22:16.30 | dpkg | hmm... google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 22:16.37 | xogon | no, 29 is shorthand notation for 255.255.255.248 try running it through ipcalc |
| 22:16.47 | Atropine | is guarddog a front end for iptables ? |
| 22:16.57 | Atropine | because i got an iptables config running already |
| 22:16.57 | xogon | ah, sorry. he had 249 |
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| 22:17.19 | Atropine | xogon i tolf 255.255.255.254 not 249 |
| 22:17.40 | elnovato | !punish Atropine |
| 22:17.46 | iMeXdiAC | even simpler /31 |
| 22:17.49 | Atropine | heh |
| 22:17.53 | xogon | yes /31 sorry |
| 22:18.01 | Atropine | elnovato: this will mess with iptables right ? |
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| 22:18.33 | goetmet | how do I uncompress rar files which are in the .rar, .r00, .r01, etc format ? |
| 22:18.40 | cafuego | with unrar |
| 22:18.44 | nome | hii |
| 22:18.55 | elnovato | yes Atropine |
| 22:19.00 | goetmet | yes i know.. but that's weird |
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| 22:19.08 | stew | ? |
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| 22:19.23 | elnovato | i gues im not the only drunk in here |
| 22:19.24 | |rufius| | euchPeR: don't think you can, have to do it later on i believe |
| 22:19.28 | xogon | Atropine: normally one uses the route add command to add static routes between subnets |
| 22:19.32 | apnea | goetmet: with unfree unrar probably |
| 22:19.43 | cafuego | unrar -x foo.rar |
| 22:19.47 | nome | with vanilla kernel if i apt-get install kernel-patch-debian-2.6.x how should i applay them? |
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| 22:19.58 | Atropine | xogon: yes but i'm not sure what route to add to/from where.... |
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| 22:20.12 | nome | are they included with make-kpkg? |
| 22:20.24 | iMeXdiAC | as i recall there is a gpld unrar version .. only the latest isnt |
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| 22:20.58 | xogon | Atropine: well, try adding some routes and testing |
| 22:21.06 | goetmet | cafuego : unrar -x doesn't work when you've got .rar, .r00, .r01, etc |
| 22:21.16 | Atropine | yes, that's what i'm going to do |
| 22:21.20 | dobby__ | can somone tellme if there is a logout script in kde where i can do some specific task like umount drives? |
| 22:21.23 | goetmet | it's the same file on every rar file |
| 22:21.25 | Atropine | i had to learn this at a moment or an other anyways |
| 22:21.39 | cafuego | goetmet: unrar -x foo.* then |
| 22:21.50 | goetmet | no |
| 22:21.52 | xogon | Atropine: for example, route add -net 10.10.10.0/24 gw 192.168.0.1 would tell the system that it has to go through 192.168.0.1 to reach hosts on the 10. subnet |
| 22:22.01 | cafuego | Try not to downlaod rar'd warez, so you don't have this issue. |
| 22:22.20 | xogon | goetmet: stop downloading WaReZ |
| 22:22.38 | goetmet | it's an addiction, sorry |
| 22:22.39 | elnovato | goetmet: Pirat!!! |
| 22:22.39 | iMeXdiAC | ;) |
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| 22:22.49 | iMeXdiAC | nana |
| 22:23.07 | Atropine | humm |
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| 22:23.32 | Atropine | xogon: okay, thank you :) |
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| 22:24.23 | iMeXdiAC | anyone with experience with writing to firewire drives with the 2.6 kernel |
| 22:24.36 | alamar | can i pull the date of the last login of a person out of /var/log/wtmp? |
| 22:24.43 | Atropine | xogon but what if the interface is on my machine, like for example i have an interface on the same network as the virtual machine on my comp, i should be able to ping it no ? |
| 22:24.44 | cafuego | iMeXdiAC: Yep |
| 22:24.49 | apnea | alamar: last |
| 22:24.50 | alamar | i just find the host they were connecting from |
| 22:24.51 | stew | iMeXdiAC: ask a real question |
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| 22:25.21 | alamar | apnea: isn`t last using /var/log/wtmp? |
| 22:25.32 | alamar | i need to fetch the info by myself |
| 22:25.37 | cafuego | iMeXdiAC: sbp2, scsi,. scsi disk. |
| 22:25.43 | xogon | Atropine: i don't know about tun interfaces but i think you should be able to ping |
| 22:25.54 | apnea | alamar: man wtmp |
| 22:26.14 | apnea | alamar: you can take it using a simple C program |
| 22:26.15 | Atropine | xogon: i'll set it on the same subnet but i'll set it on a different network |
| 22:26.16 | xogon | iMeXdiAC: modprobe sb2 sd_mod scsi_mod ohci1394 ieee1394 |
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| 22:26.21 | Atropine | i think it'll be easier to configure |
| 22:26.23 | iMeXdiAC | well i get "abort sbp2 command" as i write to a ext3 formatted witch then is really slow .. |
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| 22:27.08 | iMeXdiAC | i passed to sbp2 some params like low link speed and serialize in hope to get it better but to no avail |
| 22:27.22 | euchPeR | |rufius|, thanx |
| 22:27.30 | cafuego | iMeXdiAC: Which 2.6 kernel? |
| 22:27.33 | iMeXdiAC | yup |
| 22:27.46 | xogon | iMeXdiAC: i have modprobe sbp2 sbp2_serialize_io=1 sbp2_max_sectors=63 sbp2_max_speed=1 |
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| 22:28.08 | iMeXdiAC | ahh .. i used 2.6.9-1 and 2.6.10 |
| 22:28.10 | danilom | when i connect the debian sarge server direct to the modem pppoe, the internet shares ok but the clients cant use messenger, and when i connect it throught a w2000 between the modem pppoe and the debian server it works fine,, why?? how can i fix it?? |
| 22:28.26 | cafuego | Hmm dunno, mine works fine. |
| 22:28.42 | iMeXdiAC | ill try the max_sectors command .. as i havent passed that .. |
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| 22:30.02 | [Kaiowa_X] | its ubuntu a debian sarge distro??? |
| 22:30.38 | streuner_ | !topicsmite [Kaiowa_X] |
| 22:30.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon [Kaiowa_X]. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 22:31.22 | smj | So folks, does anyone know how I can force sendmail to not use port 587 for local mail and instead use port 25 like it does for all other mail? |
| 22:31.22 | k-man_ | whats the best rlt 8139 module to use? |
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| 22:31.22 | iMeXdiAC | another problem i have with the drive that as i want to mount the hfsplus drive format .. it says that i didnt unmount properly and i cant force to mount it rw .. it only uses ro |
| 22:31.35 | xogon | k-man: try and find out |
| 22:31.41 | streuner_ | k-man: the module which works |
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| 22:32.10 | k-man_ | i'm advising a friend remotely... i was hoping someone would know which one to try so i could tell him |
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| 22:32.38 | xogon | k-man: tell your remote friend to try and find out |
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| 22:32.43 | streuner_ | dpkg, rtl8139 |
| 22:32.44 | dpkg | methinks rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it, or a kick ass chipset. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 22:33.25 | stew | kick ass chipset? |
| 22:33.40 | k-man_ | thanks guys |
| 22:33.45 | xogon | rtl8139 is the $5 NIC i got at the local store |
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| 22:33.54 | jayd | do I have to close an application while updating it using apt-get ? |
| 22:33.57 | stew | dpkg: rtl8139 =~ s/, or a kick ass chipset// |
| 22:33.57 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 22:34.15 | streuner_ | dpkg, rtl8139 |
| 22:34.15 | dpkg | it has been said that rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
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| 22:34.28 | stew | i mean, lets be real... |
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| 22:34.58 | xogon | lol |
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| 22:35.23 | AdrianLP | Can one not use the blackdown.org mirrors as apt sources? I added this to my sources.list, "deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian/ testing non-free", gives errors about not being able to stat package list. |
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| 22:35.40 | streuner_ | heh, my 3Com did cost me 1 buck, ISA, but it kicks real asses ;-) |
| 22:36.03 | kruzi | haha |
| 22:36.08 | kruzi | as im sure all ISA cards do heh |
| 22:36.10 | kruzi | :P |
| 22:36.32 | cafuego | AdrianLP: Get the jre/jdk 5.0.1 Linux .bin from Sun and use 'make-jpkg' (in the java-package package) on it. |
| 22:36.35 | dondelelcaro | streuner_: a donky is probably about the only thing the 3com can keep up with... |
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| 22:37.06 | dondelelcaro | ('course, it's unlikely that it would matter to a system that still has ISA) |
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| 22:37.28 | valdyn | jayd: no |
| 22:37.34 | x0563511 | is there a way to change what resolution is used for consoles? I can handle up to 1024x768. I have the 2.6.8 kernel image and source installed. |
| 22:37.36 | AdrianLP | cafuego: I thought on that, I noticed that make-jpkg has other dependencies in unstable. I'm a bit concenred if I switch to unstable to get it, it'll mean tons of stable dependencies in the end. |
| 22:37.37 | streuner_ | kruzi: lucky, if you have an ISA slot left :-P |
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| 22:37.44 | FlopsyPete | with Sarge, my Master and PCM volumes are muted and PCM is turned down to 0, every time I restart and even if I leave it a while (or something, I'm not sure). anyone know why? is this happening to everyone? |
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| 22:38.02 | iMeXdiAC | AdrianLP are you using an x86 processor |
| 22:38.10 | Myren | how do i open a pipe in a c++ program again? |
| 22:38.23 | AdrianLP | iMeXdiAC: Yes, why? |
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| 22:38.30 | xam | streuner: don't trust 3com ... they have good to bad cards ... Intel EE100 and tulip are the way to go |
| 22:38.34 | apnea | Myren: #c++ |
| 22:38.36 | Myren | FlopsyPete: dpkg-reconfigure alsa and alsamixer ? |
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| 22:38.38 | nvz | I am having a gnome-session issue. Adding a simple app, for this example "/usr/games/tuxeyes --luxus" to my gnome-session startup. Desktop Prefs > Advanced > Sessions. causes a tux and a luxus to start seemingly reguardless of save on exit. |
| 22:38.52 | x0563511 | i prefer national semiconductor |
| 22:38.55 | iMeXdiAC | ahh then sun is the right place to go i think |
| 22:38.58 | x0563511 | use the natsemi module |
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| 22:39.04 | AdrianLP | cafuego: ...tons of unstable dependencies in the end, I meant. |
| 22:39.07 | shwag | i just got my first multiprocessor machine. What do I need to do to the kernel to use multi-processors properly? |
| 22:39.08 | cafuego | x0563511: If you're goimng to giove bad advice anyway, why not recommend realtek? |
| 22:39.22 | x0563511 | so... can i change my default console resolution? |
| 22:39.29 | cafuego | AdrianLP: Eh? For java? No. Just a single depend. |
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| 22:39.34 | FlopsyPete | since a recent update to testing, Synaptic has lost its toolbar icons on 3 machines I run it on, do others also see this? |
| 22:39.36 | x0563511 | cafuego: why is natsemi bad? educate me to my flaw |
| 22:39.39 | AdrianLP | cafuego: And it not in turn? |
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| 22:39.53 | cafuego | shwag: CONFIG_SMP and IO-APIC (under CPU options) |
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| 22:40.03 | apnea | FlopsyPete: yes, see BTS |
| 22:40.03 | cafuego | x0563511: That was meant for xam, sorry. |
| 22:40.06 | AdrianLP | cafuego: Debhelper, which it depends on, has lots of dependencies in turn. |
| 22:40.19 | cafuego | AdrianLP: But they are *all* in Sarge. |
| 22:40.26 | x0563511 | Anyone? do i change a boot argument? Im using a standard Sarge 2.6 kernel image |
| 22:40.32 | cafuego | Not unstable. |
| 22:40.39 | x0563511 | I would like my console to use 1024x768x24 |
| 22:40.43 | AdrianLP | cafuego: Really? Ok, I'll try that way. Perhaps with Suns own package then. |
| 22:40.55 | cafuego | x0563511: Yes. Check the params for fbcon in the kernel source. |
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| 22:41.08 | cafuego | AdrianLP: Yep, I use jre 5.01 on mys arge box. Works fine. |
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| 22:41.50 | AdrianLP | cafuego: But using blackdown as an apt-mirror might be more convenient, for keeping up to date. They seem to provide a structure to allow such. |
| 22:42.00 | xogon | x0563511: yes use vesafb |
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| 22:42.22 | apnea | AdrianLP: yes they provide an apt repository but their packages aren't so up to date |
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| 22:42.32 | x0563511 | xogon: how? |
| 22:42.44 | cafuego | AdrianLP: They don't (or didn't when I checked) provide as much of an up-to-date set of packages, though. |
| 22:42.45 | x0563511 | and i dont understand C that well, i can almost handle C++ code... |
| 22:42.52 | shwag | cafuego, what is IO-APIC ? |
| 22:42.54 | xogon | x0563511: actually you don't need vesafb to get higher resolutions |
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| 22:42.57 | x0563511 | so im having trouble finding the arguments in fbcon.c |
| 22:42.58 | apnea | since they hack on sun sources |
| 22:43.09 | shwag | cafuego, and I dont see it either |
| 22:43.15 | cafuego | x0563511: No, these's a vesafb.txt file under Documentation/fb/ |
| 22:43.18 | x0563511 | xogon: im using the nvidia kernel module, if you need that info |
| 22:43.22 | xogon | x0563511: if you have video mode selection support enabled you can just pass video=ask at boot |
| 22:43.28 | AdrianLP | Did someone tell me that Java 5.0 (1.5) has trouble running source from older versions? Or maybe they meant it just would't run bytecode made with older compilers? |
| 22:43.40 | xogon | x0563511: sorry, i think it might be vga=ask |
| 22:43.42 | cafuego | shwag: Just a moment. |
| 22:43.43 | x0563511 | xogon: is that enabled in the 2.6.8-k7 kernel image? |
| 22:44.17 | xogon | x0563511: i don't know but probably |
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| 22:44.37 | xogon | x0563511: for example, vga=1 works on almost all computers |
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| 22:44.41 | cafuego | shwag: Processor type and features ---> [*] Symmetric multi-processing support |
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| 22:44.51 | shwag | cafuego, got that one |
| 22:44.56 | x0563511 | xogon: do you know what to pass for 1024x768x24? |
| 22:45.04 | cafuego | shwag: That;'s all you need, IO-APCI is auto-enabled. |
| 22:45.10 | pipeline | cafuego, Adrian: Blackdown is providing up to date binary packages again? |
| 22:45.12 | sap | hi, anyone know of a tool that will remove the html formating from a html file? I want just the contents of the page as a text file, no markup. |
| 22:45.14 | shwag | cafuego, cool,..thanks |
| 22:45.23 | cafuego | pipeline: They are? |
| 22:45.29 | xogon | x0563511: the resolution is not as clear as with framebuffer. |
| 22:45.32 | elnovato | whats the diference from 2.6.8.10-386 and 2.6.8.10-686 ?? |
| 22:45.35 | shwag | cafuego, for maximum number of processors, should I just put in the number of processors I have ? |
| 22:45.39 | cafuego | pipeline: x86-64 and ppc as well? |
| 22:45.46 | xogon | x0563511: is you do vga=ask it will prompt you and show some possible resolutions |
| 22:45.47 | cafuego | shwag: How many do you have? |
| 22:45.51 | pipeline | cafuego: I thought that's what you were suggesting when you mentioned them as an apt source :( |
| 22:45.53 | x0563511 | xogon: ok, thanks |
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| 22:45.56 | petemc | sap: how about a browser |
| 22:45.57 | streuner_ | elnovato: optimizied code for 686 family |
| 22:45.59 | shwag | cafuego, 4 |
| 22:46.04 | pipeline | shwag: Have you already had the lecture on the virtues of stock kernels? |
| 22:46.07 | elnovato | 686 = peniutm 4 ? |
| 22:46.12 | shwag | pipeline, nope |
| 22:46.15 | imaginal | that was 1337. A guy in my hall just gave me a $100 for my old pocket pc. Rock! |
| 22:46.16 | xogon | x0563511: for the framebuffer modes, read under ../Documentation/fb/.. in the linux source tree |
| 22:46.18 | cafuego | shwag: Yeah, just put 4 (unless you're upgrading in the near future) |
| 22:46.23 | apnea | elnovato: > pentium pro |
| 22:46.27 | sap | petemc: fair point, what a muppet! |
| 22:46.34 | petemc | :) |
| 22:46.35 | bob2 | >= pentium pro, iirc |
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| 22:46.44 | pipeline | shwag: Suffice to say, if you're asking questions like these, your life will be far, far more pleasant if you simply install the stock kernel. I haven't compiled a kernel in nearly a year, and I'm proud of it. |
| 22:46.44 | apnea | bob2: yes thanks for correction |
| 22:46.55 | x0563511 | xogon: thanks, reading now |
| 22:46.56 | cafuego | sap: htmltotext/html2text |
| 22:46.59 | streuner_ | !685 |
| 22:47.03 | elnovato | soo i should use 686 .. damn |
| 22:47.03 | streuner_ | !686 |
| 22:47.04 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M. |
| 22:47.13 | cafuego | !throttle bob2 |
| 22:47.22 | morbias | !beer |
| 22:47.22 | dpkg | it has been said that beer is liquid gold mate |
| 22:47.27 | morbias | lol |
| 22:47.32 | apnea | it's liquid bread |
| 22:47.35 | bob2 | I'd be happy for just not having random hours of outage during work hours |
| 22:47.35 | Makki | !wine |
| 22:47.36 | dpkg | it has been said that wine is at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 22:47.37 | hacim | jeez, why aren't there any good west coast debian mirrors? |
| 22:47.37 | bob2 | that would rock |
| 22:47.41 | apnea | !scotch |
| 22:47.42 | cafuego | That's guinness. |
| 22:47.43 | xogon | x0563511: basically there are a ton of possible framebuffer devices "supported" in the kernel, but the one that always works is vesafb. most of the others are experimental or iffy |
| 22:47.51 | bob2 | hacim: all the east-coast playas stole them |
| 22:47.56 | sap | cafuego: ok, thanks |
| 22:47.59 | cafuego | xogon: matroxfb being an nice exception. |
| 22:48.02 | hacim | bob2: east coast vs. west coast! |
| 22:48.13 | Makki | !guinness |
| 22:48.13 | dpkg | from memory, guinness is the best beer in the world |
| 22:48.21 | apnea | !vat69 |
| 22:48.21 | morbias | lies |
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| 22:48.27 | cafuego | !guinness =~ s/beer/bread/g |
| 22:48.28 | dpkg | OK, cafuego |
| 22:48.28 | bob2 | they mispelt 'Coopers Pale Ale'. |
| 22:48.29 | petemc | it is not lies |
| 22:48.35 | apnea | heh |
| 22:48.35 | skyisblue | !milk |
| 22:48.35 | dpkg | from memory, milk is sprung forth from the teats of all mammals, and is valuable sustenance for mammals young and old. |
| 22:48.41 | morbias | old speckled hen is the best beer in the world |
| 22:48.44 | apnea | !water |
| 22:48.44 | dpkg | well, water is a good drink, if you're poor... |
| 22:48.49 | apnea | heh |
| 22:48.51 | bob2 | everyone should come to LCA and try some |
| 22:48.54 | Makki | !coke |
| 22:48.54 | dpkg | coke is probably not the drug and not the beverage, but a formidable hacker. Don't mess with him! |
| 22:48.55 | cafuego | morbias: tastes them all, have you? |
| 22:49.18 | xogon | heh, you never had feierling inselhof |
| 22:49.22 | skyisblue | !sprite |
| 22:49.23 | dpkg | i heard sprite is uhhmm.. tasting funny :) |
| 22:49.31 | Makki | !fanta |
| 22:49.31 | shwag | pipeline, i dont understand the virtues of a stock kernel. is there maybe somewhere to read up on it ? |
| 22:49.34 | morbias | cafuego: I'm a 1styear uni student. it's my unspoken job to taste them all. |
| 22:49.35 | pau4o | !rum |
| 22:49.38 | apnea | !redbull |
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| 22:49.45 | cafuego | morbias: "no" would have sufficed. |
| 22:49.50 | morbias | !whiskey |
| 22:49.50 | dpkg | Whiskey is from ireland! Whisky is crap! |
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| 22:49.54 | cafuego | !botabuse |
| 22:49.55 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 22:49.56 | morbias | hehe |
| 22:50.00 | xam | !crap |
| 22:50.01 | dpkg | i heard crap is if its not crap, its hilarious |
| 22:50.12 | xam | !jolt |
| 22:50.12 | dpkg | well, jolt is the most caffeine in a holdable bottle., or http://www.wetplanet.com/, or something that Servowire drinks alot :) |
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| 22:50.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, tell me why all the people playing with the bot |
| 22:50.46 | apnea | caffeine is unhealthy /runs |
| 22:50.53 | pau4o | I thinc that dpkg don't love rum like me |
| 22:50.59 | streuner_ | pkg> No, streuner_, I won't. (target invalid?) |
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| 22:51.04 | apnea | pau4o: dry rum ? |
| 22:51.06 | adjacent_ | whats the best program to use to unselct and remove alot of pacakges from my system. id rather not unselct 50+ packages by hand with dpkg -r |
| 22:51.23 | Makki | !mate |
| 22:51.23 | dpkg | mate is probably some one you like to talk to, similar to a friend, a pitman, a chum, a pal, a buddy, or rather a companion or fellow. aka m8 |
| 22:51.38 | Makki | nah, a beverage |
| 22:51.39 | streuner_ | adjacent_: /msg dpkg deborphan |
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| 22:51.47 | pau4o | apnea, dry, wet I'll drink it, you may bet :-) |
| 22:51.54 | apnea | heh |
| 22:51.55 | streuner_ | adjacent_: it surely depends what you wanna remove |
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| 22:52.03 | skyisblue | !tea |
| 22:52.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, tea is the offical drink of KDE Developers, or not as efficient as koffee, or what makes geiseri want to pea, or part of katie, sanity checks the database, or what biscuits were invented for |
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| 22:52.10 | apnea | pau4o: reminds me the treasue island |
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| 22:52.12 | apnea | :) |
| 22:52.17 | streuner_ | adjacent_: usually i prefer apt-get |
| 22:52.18 | apnea | +r |
| 22:52.29 | pau4o | apnea, me too ;-) |
| 22:52.30 | xam | elnovato: what kind of whiskey? |
| 22:52.40 | adjacent_ | streuner: i need to free up alot of space, and i remember installing a bunch of crap i never use during install on this server |
| 22:52.48 | smj | Greets. Can anyone give me a good reason why I shouldn't install Debian Sarge on my firewall this weekend? |
| 22:52.53 | adjacent_ | i need to regain like 10-15% of the HD |
| 22:53.00 | elnovato | xam: anyone wich says > 40 grades |
| 22:53.10 | cafuego | smj: Is the firewall working OK at the moment? |
| 22:53.18 | streuner_ | adjacent_: most things (which use much spaces) is X... |
| 22:53.19 | MrRagga | hi |
| 22:53.20 | MrRagga | does anybody now a RFC, which is not tooo long maybe not so difficult to understand and belongs to networks? i have to summarize and explain one for my study! |
| 22:53.26 | MobyTurbo | smj: sarge is not a good choice for a firewall, because it doesn't have security updates yet. |
| 22:53.34 | xam | elnovato: haha. You better get some cheap stuff then |
| 22:53.36 | adjacent_ | streuner: no X, its a server. |
| 22:53.37 | jdhutchin1 | MrRagga, almost all RFC's have to do with networks |
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| 22:53.42 | cafuego | morbias: See if you can find the IP over carrier pigeon RFC |
| 22:53.49 | smj | cafuego: Yes, but it's running Whitebox Linux at the moment and hasn't seen an update since... a while. |
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| 22:53.54 | streuner_ | adjacent_: KDE or GNOME, the base system in debian couldn't be that big |
| 22:53.58 | smj | MobyTurbo: That's a good reason. |
| 22:54.01 | cafuego | smj: Does it have any known security holes? |
| 22:54.15 | adjacent_ | streuner: ? there is no gui on the system at all |
| 22:54.20 | morbias | cafuego: hmm |
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| 22:54.26 | smj | cafuego: A few. It's based off of Red Hat Enterprise. Red Hat has the holes patched. Whitebox hasn't built the patches yet. |
| 22:54.28 | adjacent_ | streuner: i was looking for something like pkgtool for slack |
| 22:54.31 | streuner_ | adjacent_: serveral |
| 22:54.39 | cafuego | smj: Then yes, make it run something else. |
| 22:54.52 | cafuego | smj: Under the "If it's broken, fix it" motto. |
| 22:54.53 | streuner_ | adjacent_: what does it make at all? |
| 22:54.59 | smj | cafuego: Maybe I should consider Woody then? |
| 22:55.11 | smj | cafuego: And upgrade to Sarge when it's stable? |
| 22:55.14 | mrtn | make it run a marathon! |
| 22:55.19 | morbias | smj: consider sarge. woody is a pain in the ass :-P |
| 22:55.23 | jcole | how if th f*ck do i get prism2 kernel modules installed in a 2.6.x series kernel on debian? |
| 22:55.31 | cafuego | smj: You can go with woody until sarge is released. (couple months tops, hopefully) and then seamlessly upgrade. |
| 22:55.50 | adjacent_ | streuner: i dont understand. i have a server, i want to install some stuff, but i have too little room for apt to work with. so i want to mark all the packages i dont _need_ for removal |
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| 22:55.55 | MobyTurbo | smj: use the sarge installer, but tell it to put woody in the apt sources. |
| 22:56.00 | cafuego | jcole: if it's pcmcia, cardmgr will. if not, modprobe. |
| 22:56.02 | adjacent_ | streuner: it has no x. |
| 22:56.15 | smj | cafuego: It used to run Woody in its previous life. |
| 22:56.16 | xam | jcole: I'd go for hostap. More stable than the ones shipped with the kernel. |
| 22:56.21 | morbias | i'm pretty sure woody still runs ip over carrier pigeon. it's apt repository is a tad antiqued. |
| 22:56.23 | jcole | i'm about to kill something right now |
| 22:56.26 | jcole | a process even |
| 22:56.28 | smj | cafuego: It was running a RH based distro because that's what I use at work. |
| 22:56.31 | OleMoudi | how can i increase the font size Xfree86 display? most of the apps display them properly according to the font I chose on gnome but others display one tiny ugly font |
| 22:56.40 | smj | cafuego: Sorry, that was meant for MobyTurbo. |
| 22:56.46 | cafuego | smj: No excuse <heh> |
| 22:56.52 | streuner_ | adjacent_: how big is your HD at all? |
| 22:56.59 | xam | jcole: what is your location? |
| 22:57.01 | smj | MobyTurbo: It used to run Woody in its previous life without incident. |
| 22:57.03 | adjacent_ | either 1.5 gigs or 2 gigs |
| 22:57.17 | adjacent_ | no. its 1 gig, sorry |
| 22:57.19 | streuner_ | adjacent_: that's more than enough |
| 22:57.21 | juliojulio | Anyone running sarge and mailman? |
| 22:57.22 | morbias | apt-rpm makes rehat based distros bareable :) |
| 22:57.27 | meff | is the gcc in sid buggy or something? neverball and zsnes 1.4 compile but just sit there, and crystalspace segfaults when it runs with a diff gcc.. |
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| 22:57.40 | smj | morbias: My web server runs Woody no prob as well. It's quite stable. |
| 22:57.48 | jcole | !find hostap |
| 22:57.50 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'hostap' (11 shown; 15 total): hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-386 ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-586tsc ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-686 ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-686-smp ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-k6 ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-k7 ;; hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-k7-smp ;; hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-386 ;; hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-686 ;; hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-686-smp ;; hostap-modules-2.6.8-2-k7. |
| 22:57.51 | jonesy | are the mysql packages in sid able to do clustering? |
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| 22:58.13 | morbias | smj: The pyramids are stable too, but i'd still not want to be buried in one :-P |
| 22:58.16 | MobyTurbo | smj: really for a firewalll you can just run woody; a dedicated firewall doesn't need the latest desktop wizbang goodies, but it *does* need security updates. |
| 22:58.24 | streuner_ | adjacent_: i have 512MB here |
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| 22:58.37 | dambodog | what applications do i *need* to have in order to be able to rdc? |
| 22:58.39 | cafuego | morbias: no matter how many ported debian tools you install on redhat, it's STILL redhat. |
| 22:58.44 | streuner_ | adjacent_: not as fileserver, of course ;-) |
| 22:58.45 | MobyTurbo | morbias: he wants a firewall - a firewall. Woody's iptables isn't all that different from sarge. |
| 22:58.49 | d0t | hello everyone |
| 22:58.49 | morbias | isn't there a linux firewall mini-distro somewhere ? |
| 22:58.51 | adjacent_ | streuner: i know =) but i installed too much functionality to start with, now i want to remove much of it (but im looking for a bulk way of doing this) |
| 22:59.07 | tarzeau | morbias: debian, 100mb is mini enough? |
| 22:59.09 | Ronin | morbias: several ipcop, smoothwall to name the first two that come to mind |
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| 22:59.14 | jcole | xam: should i uninstall all the linux ng stuff? |
| 22:59.24 | cafuego | tarzeau: I think he means the single floppy distros. |
| 22:59.25 | MobyTurbo | bbl |
| 22:59.34 | smj | morbias: Yeah, but I also want to be able to run snort and other network tools on it as well, hence the need for a *nix distro. |
| 22:59.41 | xam | morbias: try IPcop. Haven't used it myself, but a friend of mine has for about a year now. Seems to do the job |
| 22:59.43 | adjacent_ | morbias: lrp. under 16 megs i thin |
| 22:59.44 | streuner_ | adjacent_: depends what functionality you want to kill |
| 22:59.44 | d0t | could I have some suggestions for the ideal sound card for Linux?? I intend to game, but also want to get into music creation as well.... |
| 22:59.49 | morbias | cafuego: very true, but some assanine hosts only run RH, In advising a friend how to install irssi, i linked him to apt-rpm. he fell in love with it's methods O.o |
| 22:59.55 | smj | morbias: Make that a "fuller" *nix distro than Freesco and the like offer. |
| 22:59.59 | xam | jcole: no, you can leave it in there |
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| 23:00.07 | adjacent_ | streuner: quit being obnoxious. im not responding to this anymore |
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| 23:00.29 | adjacent_ | smj: look for pebble. |
| 23:00.33 | giupy | anyone with a ECS G900 ? |
| 23:00.41 | smj | adjacent_: Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 23:00.44 | streuner_ | adjacent_: there is no 100 % answer for this issue. |
| 23:00.45 | cafuego | morbias: If that's the case you tell the host you want debian. If they can't provide it, you take your business elsewhere, instead of rewarding them for bad policy. |
| 23:00.49 | morbias | adjacent_: i'm stupid, when space falls i rm my irc and system logs |
| 23:01.02 | morbias | cafuego: not my shell, not my host, not my problem. |
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| 23:01.21 | cafuego | morbias: You COULD disown your friend, as a token gesture, though ;-) |
| 23:01.23 | adjacent_ | smj: im trying to think of some more |
| 23:01.26 | smj | morbias: My web server is at ServerBeach. They offer Debian Woody at a pretty decent price, IMNSHO. |
| 23:01.26 | morbias | cafuego: my webhost is a k6-500 sitting neglected at my parents. it runs sarge quite happily O.o |
| 23:01.36 | adjacent_ | smj: i use an image thats under 256 on flash drives.... |
| 23:01.54 | jcole | xam: i think linux ng put something in my modules.conf... alias prism2_usb wlan0 |
| 23:01.59 | morbias | well, it has this irssi on it too O.o so when it starts to run unhapiily it should be painfully obvious |
| 23:02.04 | streuner_ | adjacent_: example, you want remove X, you remove xserver-common and run deporphan, that's with all the other packages the same way... |
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| 23:02.12 | smj | adjacent_: Yeah, but I also do data logging on the Internet interface to detect security violations and so on, hence snort. |
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| 23:02.24 | xam | jcole: oohh, you have a USB card? |
| 23:02.28 | adjacent_ | streuner: no shit. im not asking how to remove packages. scroll up and read my first message again |
| 23:02.49 | smj | cafuego: Were you here yesterday when someone told me that Woody hadn't had any kernel security updates in a long time? |
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| 23:02.55 | streuner_ | adjacent_: you need space, right? |
| 23:02.56 | xam | jcole: hostap doesn't support USB (yet) |
| 23:02.57 | neenee | nite. |
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| 23:03.03 | jcole | xam: actually it's... alias wlan0 prism2_usb |
| 23:03.06 | jcole | xam: ya |
| 23:03.10 | morbias | adjacent_: you could start with removing apt's cache, then various logfiles, to give yourself more room ? |
| 23:03.14 | dad[work] | ok this channel is just too big to be in withj cgi-irc |
| 23:03.15 | adjacent_ | streuner: yes. i know how to remove packages. i need a bulk method of doing it |
| 23:03.20 | streuner_ | adjacent_: i told you, the debian system itself is very small |
| 23:03.24 | jcole | xam: fuck |
| 23:03.33 | xam | jcole: you're out of luck. USB wlan is not really supported under linux |
| 23:03.41 | smj | MobyTurbo: The only thing that got me worried was the claim by someone that Woody didn't have the latest kernel security updates. |
| 23:03.54 | streuner_ | adjacent_: i had a 350MB HD before, and debian runs with X... |
| 23:04.03 | xam | jcole: doesn't matter what kind of chipset/card, most USB wlan cards are unsupported |
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| 23:04.43 | smj | streuner_: Actually, that is something I do like about the default Debian install. Very tight. |
| 23:05.06 | elnovato | mail-notification sucks |
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| 23:05.23 | adjacent_ | smj: the pebble distro (i think a debian base) fits in around 32 megs if i remember, with a 256 flash card or even 512 with the prices like they are, it shouldnt be too hard to add snort capabilities |
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| 23:05.59 | smj | adjacent_: Ok, I'm intrigued. I'll look at it. |
| 23:06.21 | Xsquared | what do you think? should i upgrade gnome on my woody box (it is also a webserver/email server).. using backports? I'd like to have a play with the latest desktops.. |
| 23:06.31 | adjacent_ | smj: or you could roll your own |
| 23:06.44 | FlopsyPete | when I 'dpkg-reconfigure alsa' it says alsa not installed. perhaps it should be alsa-base. but either way, is it worth explicitly installing ALSA? I'm using testing and am already using ALSA |
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| 23:07.12 | drac | FlopsyPete: alsaconf |
| 23:07.16 | azeem | FlopsyPete: use configure-debian to easily figure out which packages you can reconfigure |
| 23:07.27 | streuner_ | !tell FlopsyPete about alsa |
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| 23:08.23 | FlopsyPete | thanks |
| 23:08.36 | x0563511 | xogon: i got it. vga=792 |
| 23:08.48 | streuner_ | FlopsyPete: you don't configure ALSA with dpkg-reconfigure alsa, maybe with alsaconf |
| 23:08.49 | smj | adjacent_: I'd prefer to use someone else's well tested packages rather than roll my own. |
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| 23:09.30 | streuner_ | FlopsyPete: what kernel do you use actually? |
| 23:09.36 | Xsquared | do you think it would be alright to do? |
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| 23:10.00 | AdrianLP | My /tmp is only 32mb, not even to install the JRE as it needs to stuff 180mb in /tmp. The error is "can specify an alternate directory by setting the environment variable". What environment variable does it refer too? |
| 23:10.47 | FlopsyPete | streumer_: 2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 23:10.52 | adjacent_ | smj: pm |
| 23:10.57 | AdrianLP | TMPDIR I guess? Formatting of output of this error is rather strange. |
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| 23:11.12 | streuner_ | FlopsyPete: ok, just run alsaconf(ig) |
| 23:11.30 | FlopsyPete | why does ALSA default to muted when loaded? |
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| 23:11.39 | x0563511 | is a CPU fan supposed to push air into the heatsink or pull air through it? |
| 23:12.11 | streuner_ | FlopsyPete: it should be a mixer issue... |
| 23:12.11 | pipeline | x0563511: It depends on the design of the heatsink. Usually, push. |
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| 23:12.21 | bbhill | I think alot of them pull air out as well. |
| 23:12.30 | bbhill | away from it, i should say. |
| 23:12.32 | streuner_ | FlopsyPete: if you tell the mixer, don't mute it, it don't |
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| 23:12.38 | x0563511 | this is a standard heatsink with parralel fins. |
| 23:12.49 | stew | there are standard heatsinks? |
| 23:12.52 | x0563511 | because my CPU is ~ 170F right now |
| 23:12.56 | pipeline | x0563511: It should work fine either way, but they usually push. |
| 23:12.58 | |rufius| | there are heatsinks? |
| 23:13.00 | pipeline | x0563511: Nah, your sensors are wrong. |
| 23:13.03 | x0563511 | and its an un-overclocked 900mhz |
| 23:13.03 | bbhill | Don't fans pull air out rather than push air in? |
| 23:13.06 | pipeline | x0563511: If it were really 170F, it would have crashed. |
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| 23:13.12 | x0563511 | it feels HOT in there... i just burned my finger |
| 23:13.29 | bbhill | x0563511: are you using dodgy fans? |
| 23:13.31 | pipeline | x0563511: I keep coffee hot on top of my case. If it hasn't crashed due to heat issues, you have nothing to worry about. |
| 23:13.32 | x0563511 | nope |
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| 23:13.50 | pipeline | x0563511: I think what you should really be looking at is case airflow. Do you have any intake fans? |
| 23:13.58 | x0563511 | yes, one in front. |
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| 23:14.06 | pigor | hi, i have installed a new kernel(same version as my old, but different config) |
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| 23:14.09 | pipeline | Well, that's a good start. |
| 23:14.11 | x0563511 | only a PSU fan in the back |
| 23:14.16 | pigor | "make xconfig; make dep; make clean; make modules; make modules_install ..." |
| 23:14.17 | x0563511 | my northbridge has a small fan |
| 23:14.19 | p30n | hmm, when im configuring cvs, what should i do about the repoistories? |
| 23:14.23 | x0563511 | and my vid card has a fan |
| 23:14.38 | pigor | but my system does not boot: "modprobe: modprobe: Can't open depencies file ... kernel panic". what's wrong? |
| 23:14.41 | x0563511 | but the vid card fan is a low-airflow one, it shouldnt affect the airflow much |
| 23:14.54 | streuner_ | pigor: initrd |
| 23:14.56 | pipeline | x0563511: The fact that you're here chatting with us tells me your cooling is fine. |
| 23:15.19 | pigor | streuner_ ... initrd ? i use the old initrd |
| 23:15.29 | streuner_ | pigor: uh |
| 23:15.41 | x0563511 | oh. well, it seems half the heat in the case is coming from my HDs |
| 23:15.51 | pigor | streuner: how can i make a new initrd? |
| 23:15.55 | streuner_ | pigor: you need to use the 'new' initrd' file, of course then. |
| 23:16.10 | streuner_ | pigor: /msg dpkg kp |
| 23:16.25 | p30n | hmm, when im configuring cvs, what should i do about the repoistories? |
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| 23:16.36 | AdrianLP | Lovely, make-jpkg asks you to use TMPDIR if /tmp is out of space, but when TMPDIR is set, it ignores it, and tries using /tmp anyway. |
| 23:16.37 | streuner_ | pigor: and read the section KERNEL-HOWTO at newbiedoc.sf.net |
| 23:16.52 | pipeline | p30n: Ignore it. Cardinal rule of debconf: If you don't know what it's asking, hit enter. |
| 23:16.52 | soccos | valdyn: re my usb issues, seems there's a patch to ehci-hcd.c in 2.6.8 that may solve my problem |
| 23:17.03 | williew | I would like to remove a few packages on my system. However, I want apt to remove _all_ files associated with this package. how can I do this? removing the package still keeps all old configuration from what i know . . . |
| 23:17.03 | x0563511 | are there any command-line music players that can use alsa, and accept a shoutcast mp3 stream? |
| 23:17.07 | caphuso | AdrianLP: how did you set $TMPDIR? |
| 23:17.12 | pigor | streuner: is "msg" a command? |
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| 23:17.22 | FlopsyPete | streuner_: now that I've installed alsa-base and run alsaconf, do you think the volumes won't return to muted all the time? if so, why can't that be a part of the Debian install? |
| 23:17.42 | AdrianLP | caphuso: TMPDIR=/home/jedi/tmp; export TMPDIR |
| 23:17.50 | x0563511 | AdrianLP: export TMPDIR="directory_stuff" |
| 23:17.55 | x0563511 | AdrianLP: should do it |
| 23:17.57 | soccos | FlopsyPete: heh, I have that problem |
| 23:18.00 | p30n | pipeline: thank u! |
| 23:18.21 | AdrianLP | x0563511: alpha and / does not need quoting does it? |
| 23:18.41 | pigor | streuner: what do you mean with "/msg dpkg kp" ? .. sorry, it's my first time a chat like this... |
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| 23:18.46 | caphuso | AdrianLP: no, they don't |
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| 23:18.49 | x0563511 | AdrianLP: the quotes are necessary i think |
| 23:18.59 | caphuso | x0563511: no, they aren't |
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| 23:19.18 | baroni | Hello all. Does anybody knows if there is a way of sign an e-mail in some webmail (more specific gmail) using gpg ? |
| 23:19.23 | soccos | FlopsyPete: I have to run alsaconf after booting to get audio in *some* apps |
| 23:19.24 | x0563511 | AdrianLP: echo $TMPDIR will output whatever is in them, see if it follows the same syntax as $PATH |
| 23:19.49 | thingfish | pigor: he means type that and you'll get a message. |
| 23:19.59 | FlopsyPete | soccos: have you tried what I just did? (alsaconf) |
| 23:20.00 | x0563511 | does anyone know of a console music player that can handle shoutcast? |
| 23:20.06 | streuner_ | soccos: that's not normal... |
| 23:20.07 | pigor | streuner: ok, i will try ... thank you ... bye |
| 23:20.14 | streuner_ | cu |
| 23:20.22 | x0563511 | i had trouble with alsa. |
| 23:20.24 | d0t | Is the SB Audigy 2 a decent choice for Linux? |
| 23:20.30 | d0t | I see ALSA supports it... |
| 23:20.36 | x0563511 | but, i dont remember how, i got it working |
| 23:20.39 | thingfish | my regular audigy works fine |
| 23:20.39 | soccos | streuner_: that's what I thought, I haven't figured out why I have to run alsaconf every time I boot |
| 23:20.41 | d0t | but wonder if anyone experienced problems... |
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| 23:20.57 | x0563511 | d0t: it should work through ALSA or through the drivers at http://opensource.creative.com |
| 23:21.00 | d0t | coool, thanks x |
| 23:21.04 | soccos | streuner_: I do get *some* sound *before* running alsaconf |
| 23:21.05 | thingfish | d0t: you should be safe. |
| 23:21.07 | streuner_ | soccos: why not just use OSS? |
| 23:21.17 | d0t | so it does support OSS as well? |
| 23:21.18 | d0t | Nice |
| 23:21.25 | x0563511 | Creative is nice |
| 23:21.33 | d0t | Nice or noiiice |
| 23:21.33 | d0t | :D |
| 23:21.35 | soccos | streuner_: erm, you tell me :) |
| 23:21.36 | x0563511 | they all work well (no MIDI or EAX though) |
| 23:21.38 | thingfish | I don't know, oss is so...yesterday. |
| 23:21.48 | d0t | heheh |
| 23:21.48 | AdrianLP | Hmmm, .bin flies, do RRAQ4s not use BIN files also? I guess that is Sun's preferred package? |
| 23:21.49 | streuner_ | bullshit |
| 23:21.51 | soccos | streuner_: what thingfish said :) |
| 23:21.53 | AdrianLP | RAQ4. |
| 23:21.53 | x0563511 | but you do get multichannel audio and stuff. |
| 23:22.09 | streuner_ | soccos: see my answer before ;-) |
| 23:22.14 | x0563511 | ... i think, not sure. havent tried my system quadrophonic since i tried linux |
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| 23:22.20 | x0563511 | does anyone know of a console music player that can handle shoutcast? |
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| 23:22.38 | skyisblue | x0563511: mplayer |
| 23:22.44 | soccos | streuner_: I wasn't here then, what did you say? |
| 23:22.51 | d0t | Any other suggestions for other companies that support Linux? (for sound cards) |
| 23:22.55 | d0t | just waying my options here |
| 23:22.55 | streuner_ | soccos: i hardly see a reason why i shouldn't use OSS, only if the hardware isn't supported or the driver has more features. |
| 23:23.06 | d0t | but multichannel is a NECESSITY, and I dont have a ton to spend :( |
| 23:23.10 | streuner_ | soccos: bs ;-) |
| 23:23.18 | d0t | yes, ALSA is superior, IMHO |
| 23:23.22 | d0t | (from what I've seen anyway) |
| 23:23.39 | x0563511 | d0t: pretty much anything SB Compatible should work i think. |
| 23:23.40 | skyisblue | i read yesterday log on #deb, sorry to Sparr_, he should try mepis |
| 23:23.55 | d0t | excellent... |
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| 23:23.59 | x0563511 | d0t: im using an SB Live! Value. kicks butt (but not the latest and greatest) |
| 23:24.11 | d0t | Actually I have one in my other box too |
| 23:24.16 | x0563511 | be warned |
| 23:24.16 | d0t | it rocks in linux, |
| 23:24.18 | xam | Terratec DMX 6fire here |
| 23:24.22 | x0563511 | if you use alsa with a SBLive |
| 23:24.25 | d0t | emu101k driver seems great |
| 23:24.28 | d0t | hmm.... |
| 23:24.35 | d0t | or MODULE< I should say |
| 23:24.36 | d0t | LOl |
| 23:24.39 | x0563511 | your speakers WILL SQUEEL untill you put all of the mixer levels labeled PCI down to 74% |
| 23:24.53 | thingfish | sblives work forever, too. good cards. |
| 23:24.54 | x0563511 | if my PCM or AC97 channels go above 74% my eardrums die |
| 23:25.17 | d0t | YEAH, I freaked out when that happened initially.... Thanks for the heads up! |
| 23:25.19 | x0563511 | master can go up, but above 74% it distorts, IMO. best to use an external amplifier |
| 23:25.29 | thingfish | and sblives are so cheap there's no reason to have to put up with ac97 |
| 23:25.31 | d0t | hopefully the Audigy 2 doesnt suffer from this, with the latest alsa modules |
| 23:25.40 | d0t | good point thingfish |
| 23:25.40 | soccos | streuner_: can you explain why i get sounds from gnome/nautilus but not from totem (until I run alsaconf)? |
| 23:25.52 | x0563511 | thingfish: one of my mixer channels in my sblive is labeled AC97. its near the routing and send channels |
| 23:26.03 | d0t | my current onboard audio is decent, on the Asus PC800-E |
| 23:26.10 | d0t | but no multichannel support is killing me |
| 23:26.10 | streuner_ | soccos: just run xine itself |
| 23:26.17 | d0t | and it crackles a bit, even in winblows |
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| 23:26.19 | thingfish | I have a p4c800-e deluxe |
| 23:26.23 | d0t | same here! |
| 23:26.24 | x0563511 | d0t: get a good set of headphones and you dont even need multichannel |
| 23:26.27 | d0t | kick arse board |
| 23:26.38 | thingfish | d0t: yes, they're nice boards. |
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| 23:26.47 | soccos | streuner_: you lost me there |
| 23:26.53 | resiak | soccos: abrotman (who is not here right now) is having problems with Totem too. |
| 23:26.53 | streuner_ | soccos: maybe your ALSA doesn't work? it could be that ESD makes the sound... |
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| 23:27.18 | x0563511 | I wish creative would just hurry up an make some linux binary drivers like NVidia does. I want my easy-to-configure mixer, multichannel, EAX, ect |
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| 23:27.26 | AdrianLP | Gah! Ok, installing Sun's JRE after running makejpkg. Trying to install the created deb complains about missing dependency (sun-j2re1.5debian). I guess, maybe, Blackdown provides this? |
| 23:27.34 | x0563511 | i dont care if they taint my kernel, im not an OS zealot |
| 23:27.39 | thingfish | I am proud to say that I am having no problems whatsoever. |
| 23:27.44 | skyisblue | !mepis x0563511 |
| 23:27.50 | resiak | I wish that Creative would contribute to the emu10k1 drivers which already exist. For what it's worth, they work fine now, but... |
| 23:27.58 | soccos | streuner_: totem works *after* running alsaconf |
| 23:27.58 | thingfish | well, not that it's a testament to my skills, it's just that debian is so good. |
| 23:28.00 | greg_work | I'm trying to setup a kiosk-style browser. If I run xinit /usr/bin/firefox, then load a page that calls window.open( toolbar=no,menu=no,resize=no,width=screen.width,etc) it basically does what I want - except drop-down select boxes don't work. I'm trying to find a WM that will give me basically no functionality - i don't want workspaces, resizable borders, or even a title bar really.. anyone have any ideas? |
| 23:28.11 | streuner_ | thingfish: you are the only human in the world actually ;-) |
| 23:28.15 | resiak | greg_work: Ratpoison. |
| 23:28.17 | d0t | hehehe, I have to admit, NVidia's closed source drivers are very nice. It pains me to taint the kernel though, but for 12000 fps in glx gears, i dont mind |
| 23:28.18 | d0t | LOL |
| 23:28.21 | x0563511 | resiak: it would be nice to have it all. theres no reason why not, they dont need to release source |
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| 23:28.29 | streuner_ | thingfish: who hasn't any problems at all :-) |
| 23:28.36 | x0563511 | d0t: bastard, i only get 1020 |
| 23:28.38 | synic | how do you fix the firefox "connection refused by server" on sarge? |
| 23:28.40 | x0563511 | geforce2 mx |
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| 23:28.45 | d0t | true, very few would really benefit from it |
| 23:28.48 | greg_work | resiak: thanks, i'll check it uot |
| 23:28.50 | greg_work | out* |
| 23:29.01 | thingfish | streuner: maybe I should've said, "with my current linux installation". |
| 23:29.05 | synic | a lot of people seem to be getting it |
| 23:29.06 | d0t | (unless some one suped em up and released it again, under a different name) |
| 23:29.10 | resiak | greg_work: All I know is that it's insanely minimalist. |
| 23:29.18 | AdrianLP | Hmmm, something else to grab from unstable, this one wasn't listed. Grrr. |
| 23:29.40 | x0563511 | i hope in 10 or so years, vendors will DIRECTLY support linux. Wish they would stop ignoring us. |
| 23:29.42 | d0t | heheeh, the BFG 6800GT 256Mb OC'd is HIGHLY recommended for linux use, this thing amazes me. |
| 23:29.48 | streuner_ | thingfish: hm, you haven't install all stuff which is possible yet |
| 23:29.58 | d0t | I TOTALLY AGREE.. It'll be sooner then that though |
| 23:30.04 | AdrianLP | Why is there a circular dependency between sun-j2re1.5 and sun-j2re1.5debian. They each say they depend on the other. |
| 23:30.04 | d0t | Linux will soon be 'mainstream' |
| 23:30.09 | d0t | so they say... |
| 23:30.12 | skyisblue | agreed |
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| 23:30.13 | thingfish | streuner_: lol, ok, do I need to try harder? |
| 23:30.17 | apnea | AdrianLP: yes |
| 23:30.26 | x0563511 | i hope. I dont really hope for MS to die, i just wish they would stick to what they do and stop nosing around and ruining everything else |
| 23:30.29 | streuner_ | thingfish: of course... |
| 23:30.32 | AdrianLP | apnea: If neither will install until the other ist install, what can a guy do? |
| 23:30.52 | streuner_ | thingfish: that's the only way you learn things |
| 23:30.57 | apnea | I don't remember but dpkg install |
| 23:31.02 | apnea | can install* |
| 23:31.07 | d0t | MS is stressing hard, as Linux gains momentum |
| 23:31.09 | x0563511 | AdrianLP: try to force one in? you can make dpkg ignore dependancies (dangerous!) |
| 23:31.10 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: install them both together? |
| 23:31.19 | thingfish | streuner_: I do what I need to meet my needs. |
| 23:31.22 | d0t | Manufactureres will realize whats up soon, and start to embrace linux like the rest of us |
| 23:31.24 | Manoj_ | x0563511: never force things unless you know what you are doing |
| 23:31.33 | Manoj_ | x0563511: it shall break things badly |
| 23:31.35 | thingfish | yep |
| 23:31.39 | AdrianLP | Manoj_: From memory I hadn't thought that would fix circular dependencies. I'll try though. |
| 23:31.49 | thingfish | naughty naughty, forcey forcey. |
| 23:31.55 | d0t | heheheh |
| 23:32.08 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: use apt or give both package .debs to dpkg -i |
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| 23:32.08 | x0563511 | :) i know. i break things on purpose sometimes so i can try to learn to fix it. Thats what i did DOS4 -> WindowsXP |
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| 23:32.23 | thingfish | I have had those days already, now I just like things to work. |
| 23:32.24 | AdrianLP | Manoj_: I'll hand dpkg both, and see how it turns out. |
| 23:32.33 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: how else do you think circular deps would be handled? ;-) I mean, it is not as if circular deps are illegal |
| 23:32.56 | synic | anyone? |
| 23:32.59 | synic | how do you fix the firefox "connection refused by server" on sarge? |
| 23:33.00 | x0563511 | thingfish: im still young, and i have just started my second semester in my first year of college - i havent learned to appreciate things "just working" yet... |
| 23:33.01 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: This is tno conjecture, BTW, this is how you install packages that depend on each other |
| 23:33.02 | streuner_ | thingfish: that's good for servers, but not for desktop-system ;-) |
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| 23:33.04 | thingfish | circular deps? sounds like a cult. |
| 23:33.12 | AdrianLP | Manoj_: Logically I would say they should not exist. I mean a codependant package, why not just make one package out of them. Unless each is in multiple codependant relationships, and that would be screwy. |
| 23:33.13 | synic | [16:24:44] alzabo Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:33.13 | synic | [16:24:44] alzabo Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 23:33.13 | x0563511 | synic: you sure its just firefox? i dont have any issues |
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| 23:33.22 | fat | hi, how do i set up apt to get unstable packages? |
| 23:33.26 | x0563511 | synic: and im behind a windows ICS, a wireless router, and a cable modem |
| 23:33.30 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: and what about larger circles? |
| 23:33.37 | d0t | fat: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:33.40 | streuner_ | thingfish: that's why debian people like stable. |
| 23:33.41 | drac | synic: problem isn't sarge, or firefox. there is no open port, or no server at all responding to your client. |
| 23:33.45 | Manoj_ | Adrian: a -> b-> c-> d -> a ? |
| 23:33.46 | synic | x0563511, I don't mean that it can't connect to a server |
| 23:33.53 | synic | x0563511, I mean that X rejects firefox |
| 23:33.54 | fat | d0t, can i just replace the 'stable' with 'unstable'?# |
| 23:34.00 | synic | x0563511, IE, I can't run firefox at all |
| 23:34.02 | AdrianLP | Manoj_: Seems kinda strange to me, logically speaking. |
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| 23:34.06 | d0t | you got it! |
| 23:34.06 | streuner_ | fat: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 23:34.11 | x0563511 | synic: are you running it from a console of some sort? |
| 23:34.11 | d0t | and then apt-get update |
| 23:34.14 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: so, one tends not to worry about circular dependencies, and let the package system take care of it |
| 23:34.15 | fat | d0t, thanks |
| 23:34.17 | d0t | np |
| 23:34.21 | synic | x0563511, doesn't matter where I try to run it from. |
| 23:34.21 | d0t | I suggest using testing though |
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| 23:34.27 | synic | x0563511, clicking on the icon doesn't start it |
| 23:34.27 | d0t | not that I've had any probs with unsable either... |
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| 23:34.29 | x0563511 | synic: if your root in X, you need to run it as root. or if your a user, you have to be the same user. |
| 23:34.30 | synic | so I tried in a termianl |
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| 23:34.35 | Weasel[DK] | Hi, can some one tell me an best/easy way to make a local install repository for i386 ? |
| 23:34.38 | synic | x0563511, running it as the same user that started X |
| 23:34.45 | x0563511 | hmm |
| 23:34.52 | AdrianLP | Manoj_: Ya, except when one has to download packages from unstable/ manually because they use testing/ |
| 23:35.08 | x0563511 | what window manager are you using synic |
| 23:35.10 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: things happen as they do. also, if the packages are from separate sources, you should not merge tham in the first place :P |
| 23:35.13 | synic | x0563511, gnome |
| 23:35.13 | xam | !tell fat about stable->unstable |
| 23:35.18 | thingfish | do you all ever wonder if any hollywood stars use linux? |
| 23:35.29 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: The use apt and pinning |
| 23:35.32 | x0563511 | synic: er, i only know KDE and fluxbox, unfortunatly. Does it not launch from an icon? |
| 23:35.37 | synic | x0563511, nope |
| 23:35.44 | synic | x0563511, seen a few other users with this same problem |
| 23:35.53 | x0563511 | try restarting the server yet? (ctrl-alt-backspace) |
| 23:36.06 | thingfish | that was supposed to be funny, in case you didn't catch it. |
| 23:36.19 | x0563511 | try purging the mozilla-firefox package, and reinstall. that may help, maybe |
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| 23:37.29 | x0563511 | !tell x0563511 about something |
| 23:37.39 | Manoj_ | umm. dpkg-reconfigure -plow ought to do the same thing as purge and restoration of a package |
| 23:37.44 | thingfish | man, john digweed is a god. |
| 23:38.03 | x0563511 | wtf? |
| 23:38.11 | Manoj_ | thingfish: never heard of him |
| 23:38.20 | x0563511 | every time i try to tell alsaplayer to use a particular interface (like -i TEXT) it segfaults |
| 23:38.25 | thingfish | he's THE progressive house/trance dj. |
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| 23:38.40 | x0563511 | thingfish: i prefer rave, acid, and hard acid |
| 23:38.44 | thingfish | ah |
| 23:38.51 | x0563511 | www.di.fm |
| 23:38.52 | thingfish | that's a little hard for me |
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| 23:38.56 | x0563511 | look for classic techno |
| 23:38.57 | Manoj_ | thingfish: ah. I don't really listen much to music produced post-1972 |
| 23:39.00 | thingfish | oh yes, di.fm, know it well. |
| 23:39.05 | x0563511 | :) |
| 23:39.14 | thingfish | although I listen more to protonradio.com |
| 23:39.22 | x0563511 | I only listen to the Goa and classic techno channels. used to listen to hardcore |
| 23:39.27 | AdrianLP | Manoj_: Apt pinning? |
| 23:39.27 | x0563511 | protonradio? im checking it out now |
| 23:39.31 | thingfish | I used to listen to goa |
| 23:39.33 | douglas | I recently install the synaptics touchpad driver for my laptop, what do I change in my xfree86config file to use that driver? |
| 23:39.34 | drac | x0563511: this is totally off-topic, but you should see www.mohradio.com :p |
| 23:39.40 | thingfish | but I'm solidly progressive |
| 23:39.54 | streuner_ | Manoj_: heh, you only prefer music before 72? |
| 23:39.55 | thingfish | some breaks though |
| 23:40.00 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: pinning, with apt, allows you to mostly prefer stable or testing, and yet get a set of related packages from unstable |
| 23:40.07 | chealer | does any of the free java vms allow to avoid using the proprietary j2se as firefox extension (example kaffe, sablevm, jamvm)? |
| 23:40.08 | x0563511 | checking them out |
| 23:40.20 | Manoj_ | streuner: yeah, when music had soul, content, and purpose |
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| 23:40.38 | souza10 | Is there someone could help me with apt-get's lists? I've copied my /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb to one cd and when I try to get apt-cdrom add in another computer it asks me for a list. Please, how can I make this list? I don't want to install it manually and don't have Internet link to make it, so the only think that I need is make apt-cdrom add function. |
| 23:40.52 | thingfish | Manoj_: I grew up with all that |
| 23:40.54 | digital_ | bn tout le monde :) |
| 23:41.12 | thingfish | hi digital_ |
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| 23:41.39 | citral | salut digital_ |
| 23:41.49 | Manoj_ | AdrianLP: try man apt_preferences(5) |
| 23:41.54 | x0563511 | drac: they down? XMMS cant load the streams. |
| 23:42.16 | drac | x0563511: oh :( check later.. |
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| 23:42.22 | AdrianLP | Manoj_: Ya, will in a moment, just waiting for this install. Really slows system down. |
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| 23:42.56 | Manoj_ | apt-cdrom can be used to create cdrom entries in the sources list |
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| 23:43.09 | x0563511 | drac: ok, bookmarked it |
| 23:43.15 | Manoj_ | man apt-cdrom |
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| 23:43.30 | x0563511 | hardcore is nice, but i cant stand happy hardcore. |
| 23:43.43 | thingfish | paulswm: NICE! |
| 23:43.44 | x0563511 | and i hav to be pretty pissed off |
| 23:43.47 | hhstnoc | raiiinnnnbowww briggght |
| 23:43.57 | x0563511 | AAAH |
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| 23:44.02 | thingfish | I just can't do hardcore |
| 23:44.04 | Manoj_ | souza10: man apt-cdrom |
| 23:44.06 | souza10 | Manoj_: it looks for a file's indexes, how can I create it? |
| 23:44.07 | hhstnoc | yeah, they piss me off too. |
| 23:44.09 | thingfish | when I was younger, maybe |
| 23:44.20 | x0563511 | i do like it when the BPM is > 150 though |
| 23:44.20 | streuner_ | Manoj_: You never seen |
| 23:44.25 | thingfish | aack |
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| 23:44.30 | elnovato | is this a sex conversation? |
| 23:44.36 | thingfish | 150 bpm is too much |
| 23:44.36 | souza10 | Manoj: I've got man and haven't found it |
| 23:44.38 | x0563511 | ive tried to make some techno though, it sucks i think |
| 23:44.43 | streuner_ | Manoj_: You never seen 'Ozzy' live, you know what soul in music is then ;-) |
| 23:44.49 | x0563511 | you can find me at dance-industries.com, look for artist x0563511 |
| 23:44.50 | Manoj_ | souza10: oh, you mean how to create a cdrom that apt can use? Hmm, apt-ftparchive perhaps? (been a while since I did that) |
| 23:44.57 | paulswm | thingfish: including Mairanne Faithfull, Taj Mahal, The Who, Jethro Tull... I'm going to watch it over the weekend unfortunately w/o the nepalese hash :) |
| 23:45.08 | Manoj_ | streuner: I've been to dead concerts |
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| 23:45.27 | Manoj_ | streuner: and I do have Uriah Heap CD's |
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| 23:45.46 | thingfish | paulswm: very nice collection there. Sorry, would help if I could, my hash connection hasn't called in a while. ;) |
| 23:45.53 | x0563511 | Analog Vouge is pretty good. Ever hear "Swayah"? |
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| 23:46.01 | souza10 | Manoj_: I have all the .deb files that I need into a cd that I made, but the apt-cdrom add doesn't work |
| 23:46.02 | martin | I am having a problem with my debian installation. I installed Sid and am running the 2.6 Kernel. When I updated the system with synaptic, after udev was updated, my CDROM no longer automatically mounts. If I make a directory /media/cdrom0, everything is find and the cdrom mounts. I would assume that a configuration file needs to be updated... where do I start? |
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| 23:46.17 | bbhill | ugh gaim!! |
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| 23:46.22 | bbhill | dont you people know about bsflite yet? |
| 23:46.29 | paulswm | thingfish: yeah, it looks really good, and about now the Band's Last Waltz should be out on DVD too |
| 23:46.33 | x0563511 | martin: you need to have the debs and some extra files in specific filestructure |
| 23:46.40 | x0563511 | martin: you also need some index files, ect. |
| 23:46.47 | thingfish | paulswm: didn't care for them as much. |
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| 23:46.54 | azeem | souza10: apt-cdrom needs some extra magic besides the .debs, AFAIK |
| 23:46.56 | thingfish | paulswm: you like any zappa? |
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| 23:47.00 | x0563511 | i dont know specifics, but browsing the mirrors with FTP shows you what i mean |
| 23:47.00 | Manoj_ | souza10: you do need a packages file, a release file, and stuff |
| 23:47.15 | Manoj_ | souza10: apt-ftparchive or something can be used for that |
| 23:47.25 | greg_work | resiak: ratpoison is exactly what I wanted, thanks.. any idea how I can disable the right mouse button? (remap via xwindows perhaps?) it would be great if i could do it just for this one user.. |
| 23:47.42 | souza10 | Manoj_: the answer is: Scanning Disc for index files.. Found 0 package indexes and 0 source indexes. |
| 23:47.58 | thingfish | "ratpoison is exactly what I wanted" should never come out of a human's lips, probably. |
| 23:48.01 | Manoj_ | souza10: right. I t is looking for the Packages file |
| 23:48.03 | x0563511 | lol |
| 23:48.15 | Manoj_ | souza10: need to generate Packages and Release files |
| 23:48.18 | x0563511 | MMM! arsenic! does the body good! |
| 23:48.23 | thingfish | lol |
| 23:48.33 | thingfish | kills germs |
| 23:48.41 | Weasel[DK] | can some one tell me the best/easy way to make a local install repository for i386 ? |
| 23:48.43 | x0563511 | lol |
| 23:48.51 | greg_work | thingfish: ;) |
| 23:48.53 | souza10 | Manoj_: yes, I think you've got it, I will try. Thanks a lot |
| 23:49.48 | x0563511 | Is there any way to use shockwave on linux? at all? Do you think Wine could handle Director MX 2004? |
| 23:50.28 | mrtn | x0563511: what good would it make in the first place ? |
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| 23:50.45 | p30n | question:discover couldnt find my video card driver, and i have a asus mobo with integrated via graphics, should i just choose VIA in the liste then when im configuring X? |
| 23:50.45 | x0563511 | mrtn: i have to take a class, and it teaches shockwave. |
| 23:50.49 | x0563511 | using director. |
| 23:50.49 | Atropine | shockwave :( |
| 23:50.52 | x0563511 | yea |
| 23:50.58 | cafuego | x0563511: Doubt it. Used to not be able to handle dreamweaver. |
| 23:50.58 | x0563511 | thats my "introduction to multimedia" |
| 23:51.05 | resiak | greg_work: I've _never_ used it, I'm afraid. You must be able to remap it, but I don't know how. I'm not 1337 enough :) |
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| 23:51.12 | Atropine | crappy thing that requires another plugin |
| 23:51.24 | cafuego | x0563511: Tell the teacher you prefer cross-platform solutions, not proprietary crap. |
| 23:51.28 | x0563511 | at least my internet technologies class sticks to HTML/XHTML/Javascript |
| 23:51.56 | greg_work | all i can find is how to enable/disable 3-button simulation, or enable mouse wheels. why doesn't anyone else want to disable the right mouse button? |
| 23:51.57 | x0563511 | cafuego: the whole school is sold-out to Bill. The email server uses Outlook and the webmail access uses ActiveX! |
| 23:52.27 | greg_work | Ohhh.. maybe i should just hook up a mac mouse. may have finally found a use for those horrible things |
| 23:52.33 | p30n | question: discover couldnt find my video card driver, and i have a asus mobo with integrated via graphics, should i just choose VIA in the liste then when im configuring X? |
| 23:52.35 | x0563511 | They actually baught the licenses for each workstation to have XP Professional. |
| 23:52.37 | paulswm | thingfish: haven't any zappa, and I never could really make up my mind if I liked him or if it was just the dope/acid that liked him, to be honest |
| 23:52.43 | cafuego | x0563511: Did you tell them you will be requiring a new HDD, free copy of Windows and Director if they insist on using that shit? |
| 23:53.04 | p30n | S3 Graphics UniChrome™ 2D/3D Graphics with motion compensation |
| 23:53.04 | pipeline | x0563511: IIRC, all of the macromedia tools work fine in WINE. |
| 23:53.04 | x0563511 | No, because at the moment my laptop is forced to be windows |
| 23:53.08 | p30n | should i choose S" or VIA? |
| 23:53.12 | p30n | s3 even |
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| 23:53.36 | x0563511 | My broadcom wont work in linux natively, and ndiswrapper runs it too slow for me (dial-up speeds) |
| 23:53.44 | pipeline | Ooh, good question, p30n. Probably choose VIA, I think the S3 driver is for like, Trio64. |
| 23:54.13 | pipeline | x0563511: That's unusual; I'd never had speed penalties with ndiswrapper, although it sucks for other reasons. |
| 23:54.13 | x0563511 | pipeline: will the CVS cedega do i? (i know that cedega is missing the direct3d and cd-protection crap, but shockwave doesnt use that stuff) |
| 23:54.30 | x0563511 | I dont want to pay for driverloader either. |
| 23:54.39 | x0563511 | and, no monitor mode! |
| 23:54.52 | cafuego | ell, should have gotten decent hardware |
| 23:54.53 | x0563511 | im poor, so i cant go buy one of those oronico PCMCIA ones |
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| 23:55.34 | p30n | pipeline: kthx ill try with that |
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| 23:57.36 | HeatHawk | hmm |
| 23:57.44 | HeatHawk | ill come back in a few. |
| 23:57.48 | thingfish | paulswm: he sounds just as good off drugs. He himself was pretty anti-drug. Except alcohol, of course. |
| 23:57.56 | thingfish | he liked margaritas |
| 23:58.04 | x0563511 | s |
| 23:58.12 | thingfish | of course, who doesn't? |
| 23:58.18 | jcole | HeatHawk: glxinfo |
| 23:58.21 | RichiH | is there a tool that will show me a nice tree of the dependencies that get invoked on an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 23:59.04 | runixd | linux crashes while copying data, memory usage jumps up to max, copying large file, file system irrelevant, 2.6.9 |
| 23:59.10 | Manoj_ | RichiH: aptitude has a dotty option |
| 23:59.11 | p30n | question: which one of the ttyS is USB? |
| 23:59.16 | skyisblue | simplymepis review here: http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9305 |
| 23:59.21 | p30n | i have a usb mouse and its asking me what port |
| 23:59.29 | Manoj_ | RichiH: it produces output of dependencies inn the format dotty needxs |
| 23:59.32 | pipeline | Why do people think that cedega is great? Because it's terrible. |
| 23:59.37 | xam | p30n: /dev/input/mice |
| 23:59.52 | p30n | for usb mouse? |
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| 23:59.57 | xam | p30n: yes |